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Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 13:08:02 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

Really you should subscribe to the Dandom Digest but here's the link to the interview with Rob Mounsey


Subject: Danfest 2011 Graphic Contest

We're getting a late start on the Danfest page. So far we have two entries in the contest to design a graphics concept and motif for this year's Danfests. The theme seems to be "The Swank Ambassadors of Dandom & Their Lush Attach�s," the idea being that we, as diehard fans, carry the message and music of Steely Dan to new fans to hand down through The Ages, long after we are gone.

Entry 1 is more about concept than execution:
It comes from Bruce Cameron of New Zealand. View it at:

Entry 2 is about hot Photoshop chops although I'm a little uncertain about how its concept and appearance are unique to the theme of "The Swank Ambassadors of Dandom & Their Lush Attach�s." It's by Denise of Massachusetts. View it at:

Get your entry in by the end of the week so we can get the Danfests 2011 on the go. Send them to

Best wishes and many thanks,



Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 13:06:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed about 13 hours ago. This one covered from May 11-June 5, 2011.

If you are a subscriber, you should already see it in your email box If you don't receive it, check your spam filters first; then, if it's not there, please email me.

Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc. That's why this sort of notice is posted in the Blue.

The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for May 11-June 5, 2011:


- Thanks for your Patience
- DAN announce Australian and New Zealand Tour Dates
- shuffle diplomacy
- SD to Tour Australia & New Zealand with Steve Winwood
- Official Steely Dan Newsletter: I Got Mine-Did You Get Yours?
- Boston Dates Shuffled Diplomatically; WV Added
- Danfest 2011 Graphic Contest
- Rob Mounsey Interview
- Re:(2): Jon Herrington @ The Bitter End 4/23
- Everything Must Go (The Movie)
- Upcoming Appearances by Jon Herington


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Thanks for your support through the years, especially Pete and Shari and Gus and remembering Mark and Bill.


Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 07:44:07 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Went to see Paul Simon at the Merriam Theater in Philadelephia Sunday night. Very good show, very good musicians. Sitting in a row in front of me was Jon Herington, busman's holiday, I guess.

Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 06:03:57 ET
Posted by: PGE, @Doc Mu etc

All this coffee must've affected my spelling and eyes :)

a) Insert "post" where appropriately in my previous post

b) Doc Mu: I can't find the Mounsey interview you're referring to. Please point me in the right direction.

Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 05:50:01 ET
Posted by: PGE, @The Dean

The coffee-line from Negative Girl was just my attempt at being funny, make a quip.
In fagenism's initial he/she mentioned psychoactives drugs and caffeine is counted among those.

Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 02:52:29 ET
Posted by: qauuyobwbpj, US

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Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 02:51:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

re; the Mounsey interview. Wow, I never knew the 2nd Arrangement lyrics were dummy lyrics! The story about the arrangement for Babylon Sisters is an amazing anecdote as well. Donald never asked for a second one! ...and then onto the fiasco known as the recording of the title track from Gaucho, where master session men were crushed just for a drum track they spliced together from 20 bits.

It's a shame Passionfruit is out of print. That and Blue Pacific are arguably among Michael Franks' best.

Date: Mon, June 06, 2011, 01:17:00 ET
Posted by: henrod, NY

I ponied up to see all four Beacon shows in 2009. This summer, only 2. I got (shitty) seats for Rarities and 21st Century Dan. Can't friggin' wait.

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 16:09:58 ET
Posted by: Pree,

Jackie -

Did you do a little too much trippin', poopsie?

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 16:03:07 ET
Posted by: Jackie, Shorts

Pree - not a chance

White Men = White Cross speed

The other interpretation that I've championed is that KC is actually an amalgam of both Owsley & Manson (both Charles and both Great, in their minds at least) and that the "white men on the street" is just as it says and signals the end of Manson's allusions of a race riot.

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 14:38:32 ET
Posted by: Pree ,

Jackie -

"Look at all the white men on the street" = "clean". "White" = Clean.


Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 14:07:11 ET
Posted by: Jackie, Shorts

"Look at all the white men on the street" - speed

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 11:56:41 ET
Posted by: Aaron Pizzicato,

RF -

Nix on needle reference. Ruthie's a puttana - the "red" door is a "hot" door.

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 09:55:48 ET
Posted by: Aaron Pizzicato,

Fagenism -

It IS cocaine DF is citing in "Neg. Girl" - note the lower case "c".

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 09:29:07 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

What is the punishment for misquoting Dr Wu? Am I still welcome here? May I still attend future shows and/or danfests?

@RF: Great finding!

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 07:53:43 ET
Posted by: RF, US

It's been suggested that "the silver key to open the red door" refers to sticking a needle in your vein.

"I stare into my coke." Looking at the lyrics on the official page, "coke" isn't capitalized. Therefore, they aren't referring to any brand name beverage. It would have been Coke�.

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 07:29:51 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Please forgive my iPad typing (or lack thereof).

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 07:27:11 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

@Lurker Ray:

I stand corrected on Jack Of Speed. The T-shirt anecdote was hilarious; any chance this kid ships to Sweden? (Oh, and why don't you make a T-shirt saying "I corrected a Steely Dam T-shirt?)

@Scurvy Brother:

The line from Daddy Don't Live reminds me a bit of "I wait, I smoke, I stare into my coke". I always associated this line with cocaine for some reason, despite the fact that the poor protagonist s probably just enjoying enjoying an innocent soft drink. (Fagen is notorious for drinking Coke during live shows, as we all know.)

@The Dean:

The thing about desperately trying to get back to that elusive rush, gets me thinking about the following line: "I was waiting for the taste you said you'd bring to me". Amazing how a few words can convey such bottomless sadness. Once again; thank you, maestros.


We discussed a couple of more songs. I always felt that Razor Boy was about someone losing everything to drugs, not unlike our friend Jack Of Speed. And - if you forgive the speculation - a part of me always felt that Trans-Island Skyway was a tribute to pot:

- I was born yesterday (the pre/post-initiation distinction is common among tokers)

- The farm in the back is hydroponic

- Now breathe in and sigh out

Date: Sun, June 05, 2011, 01:26:02 ET
Posted by: suedave, moment of silence

kzkzkzkz, thanks for posting that video, that was a great view of a great song.

Sorry to hear about my one of my favorites, Ray Bryant passing. Moment of silence.

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 22:33:48 ET
Posted by: Elgin, Boston

Catherine Russell gigs this week w/her band:

New England
Wed June 8 Discover Jazz Festival,FlynnSpace at Flynn Center for Performing Arts, Burlington, VT 8:30pm
"Some of the biggest advance buzz about the festival this year surrounds jazz/blues vocalist Catherine Russell" - Burlington Free Press

Philly area
Sat June 11 Catherine Russell headlining State Street Blues Stroll,
The Media Theatre, Media, PA 8:15pm

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 19:28:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Yes, Jack of Speed is about speed (crystal, meth, etc) I think and not ecstasy.

Chasing the dragon can be used with respect to heroin or morphine, but I think the most traditional use of the term is connected to smoking opium. Basically, you are chasing the feeling you get from the first high---but it is every elusive.

But, PGE, you stumped me, I must admit. "Coffee and a kiss"? What am I missing? Probably something obvious and I'll be shaking my head once you explain.

And, Another Scurvy, I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 17:45:58 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

@Lurker Ray / Fagenism

I agree that a speedy substance is beneath the Jack of Speed.

Interesting though that "rolling" has been used to mean ecstasy in the SD catalogue too:

"This tab looks iffy, she says it's good /
Roll with the homies, knock on wood"
(Slang of Ages)

Also, for your consideration:

"Lucy still loves her coke and rum /
But she sits alone 'cause her daddy can't come"

Since Fagen and Becker are poets extraordinaire, I don't think that they would have made the sophomoric mistake of changing the usual "rum and coke" to the awkward "coke and rum" just to fit the rhyme scheme.

So, the coke is one substance, the rum another -- not a cocktail.

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 17:11:24 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


It was nice to see your brother got the "The fine Colombian" reference correctly as weed. Many younger members here in the past have thought it was cocaine. I even had to contact a T-Shirt maker in the UK who was selling "Steely Dan T-Shirts" and he finally changed the artwork he was using for the phrase.

But I also think your brother totally missed the clear and ominous warning in the "Jack Of Speed". I know many younger people here might connect the term "rolling" with dropping some ecstasy, but the "Jack of Speed" is clearly about an individual under the influence of meth, crystal, ice and or "The Jack Of Speed".
It's all right there "breaking bad" in title.

Here is another fans nicely written take I found from 2006:

"The "Jack of Speed" is an addict under the influence of speed, meth, crystal, etc. Very popular these days, and the downfall of many a good man and woman. Unlike many other drugs which are anti-social right from the beginning, speed seems to fool people into thinking they are productive, initially. Then, one day they're at a party, and spewing political hogwash (speed addicts often come across as arrogant, pompous blow-hards), or intimidating their loved-ones, or simply skating backwards at the speed of light socially, losing friends, property and time in the process. The shriek express represents the swift and unwavering progression of one's demise when under the drug's spell, as fast and predictable as a speeding locomotive, and with his "new best friend at the throttle", Jack won't be the one deciding when the ride is over .

The last verse is a warning to the loved ones to save yourselves, before it's too late. The attraction as well as the sure destruction of the drugs are so strong and bewitching, that anyone wishing to make it had better just plug their ears and run, as fast as you can, in the other direction."

Of course ALL Steely Dan songs are open to numerous interpretations, and that is why we love them, but I hardly believe that "The Jack Of Speed" is about the perils of ecstasy.

The perils of "speed/meth" vs. "ecstasy"?

No contest.

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 16:59:52 ET
Posted by: PGE, Psychoactively yours!

Lunch with Gina. Nothing subtle about this reference to a psychoactive drug:

"Coffee and a kiss
Maybe later maybe never"


Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 11:57:54 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Had a conversation with my brother the other day about more or less subtle references to psychoactives in the writings of the dynamic duo. Granted that analyzing lyrics is a fuzzy science at best, here are a few suggestions. Fellow steelers are more than welcome to add.

"The fine Colombian" - weed

"Teddy's rolling now most every night" - ecstasy

"But yours was kitchen clean" - LSD

"Tonight when I chase the dragon" - heroin

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 11:21:06 ET
Posted by: cubano chant, havana

Ray Bryant passes on today

Cubano Chant lives forever

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 09:09:26 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

RE SD Tribute Band:

The only real major picks I have w/ the group is the lead singer's rhythmic timing (while singing the melody) and enunciation - neither are really that strong.

That's one of the main things that separates DF/SD from cover bands.

Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 04:53:11 ET
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Date: Sat, June 04, 2011, 04:53:02 ET
Posted by: TRIBUTE, New York

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Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 23:46:10 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, way up there

While we're at it...this video was taken from my seat at the Beacon-last row, last seat, top right corner, upper balcony.

There really isn't a bad seat in that room when the Dan play. I've sat everywhere there. I have other vids from other nights, other years posted too. From other locations. Not a bad seat in the house.

Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 13:42:04 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

hey kids! don't forget: if you are in the Philly area tomorrow, Saturday June 4, Jon Herington is doing an early set at Havana in New Hope!! Show starts at 600PM - 730PM. A fun time will be had by all....come out and meet some SD friends and hear some great music from Jon and his band.

Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 13:29:31 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Setlist help - I should provide a disclaimer though - I sit in the very back row of EVERY Steely Dan show I've been to, so I'm used to it.

Also, that night I was the highest I've ever been (or ever will be) in my entire life.

Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 11:32:40 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

Chris- thanks. Good to know! Maybe it's worth sitting there and going to 2 shows!

Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 10:34:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Setlist help, I sat in the VERY back row of the balcony in 09. The sound was impeccable and I didn't feel too far removed at all.

Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 09:15:44 ET
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Date: Fri, June 03, 2011, 00:38:38 ET
Posted by: Don Patrol, Mtl

This is for Cat Russell fans in the northeast.She'll be at the Flynn Theatre in Burlington Vt,on Wed. June 8th. Think the players with her are the same as when she opened for the boys at the Mtl Jazz Fest.Can only say I enjoyed the sets immensely! Wish I could make it, but I'm working that night.

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 20:47:04 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

Has anyone been to the Wang? How's the seating? Is Balcony adequate or do you feel considerably removed, more so than the second half of Orchestra?

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 20:40:43 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

Hey Ray,

how'd you get that pricing info?


Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 20:08:16 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Once again Ray, I couldn't have said it better. What a disappointment. I don't even have a favorite song. I am attending the request night in NYC but now with much lower expectations. Maybe I'll be surprised. D & W must get a real kick out of this nonsense...what's worse, I fell for it again. I must be dreaming because D & W would not do this to their loyal fans. After all they don't partake in marketing hoaxes and cash grabs. They're all about integrity LOL! I am voting for "Smoke on the Water".

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 19:17:18 ET
Posted by: A Zeppelli , AZ

Thanks - The Dean.:)

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 18:35:12 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

So, Lurker Ray... what did you vote for?

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 17:22:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Hey Kids,

Now you can all vote for what
ever songs you want to hear at
ANY of the "Fan Request" nights!
And you don't even have to have
a ticket.

"Thank you for submitting your request. Enjoy the show!"

Isn't that great?
In fact you can vote over and
over again. How cool.

Yet again, what a waste and what
a total joke. All put together
with a cheap Google Doc. Thanks
again for the effort Don & Walter.
Maybe a little more proactive in
your management's choices in the
future perhaps? It will be great
to hear Donald announce these "shows"
each night with that knowing laugh
as he mocks us suckers yet again just
like in 2009.

"Shuffle Diplomacy"?

"Diplomatic Immunity", is more apt.

Boston Ticket Prices For Tommorow's Pre-Sale

Nice three night bargain like in 2009 - Good for you Boston!
Buy 3 $88 tickets and you only pay for 2
And you can actually buy a seat for as little as $48
And unlike NYC, you can actually buy kick-ass seats for $200 -
Seats available to all comers without the "Platnium" or "Premium" hype

Pit, Orchestra Rows A-J: $198.00
Orchestra Rows K-P, Side Rows A-J: $128.00
Orchestra Rows Q-EE, Side Row P: $88.00
Mezzanine Rows A-D: $128.00
Mezzanine Side Rows A-D: $88.00
Balcony Rows E-S: $68.00
Balcony Rows T-FF: $48.00

All prices include a $3.00 facility fee

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 13:10:14 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

tommytomato, thanks!

Date: Thurs, June 02, 2011, 11:03:17 ET
Posted by: hoops, via smart phone

Fiona, Doc and Dean


Date: Wed, June 01, 2011, 20:37:11 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


While I can't be 100% sure, my guess is Walter is playing on Haitian Divorce. It doesn't really sound like Rainey and this song is certainly in Walt's wheelhouse.

And, for what it's worth, Steely Dan Database thinks so, too:

Date: Wed, June 01, 2011, 19:04:57 ET
Posted by: Aaron Zeppelli, Aaron Zeppelli


Does anyone know who played bass on the LP/CD version of "Haitian Divorce"?

Date: Wed, June 01, 2011, 06:18:24 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Here you go Peter:

Date: Wed, June 01, 2011, 03:42:25 ET
Posted by: Peter Jones, Branscombe, Devon, England

There is an excellent Roger Nichols obituary in today's Guardian (the UK national newspaper). Written by Adam Sweeting.

Sorry, not smart enough to do links here. But go to, and you'll find it there.

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 20:58:32 ET
Posted by: Heat vs. Mavericks, NBA Finals

Not a basketball fan per se, but Michael McDonald just sang the National Anthem to open the series. Kewl.

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 17:36:42 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

@ "setlist help": as you requested here is the "request night" setlist from Chicago 9-4-09. (I was in attendance)...As you will see the setlist was pretty standard for that tour...only a few "new" or "rare" tunes. I am going to request night in NYC in Sept. and hoping for some different tunes this time around.

9-4-09 Chicago Theatre Chicago IL

1. Teenies Blues
2. Black Friday
3. Aja
4. Hey 19
5. Peg
6. Dirty Work
7. Bodhisattva
8. Rikki Don't Lose That Number
9. Home at Last
10. Dr. Wu
11. Any Major Dude
12. Do It Again
13. Itchin' in my Heart/Band Intro
14. Babylon Sisters
15. Parker's Band
16. Black Cow
17. Josie
18. Don't Take Me Alive
19. Kid Charlemagne
20. E. Reelin' in the Years ('72)

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 17:25:53 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

@Lurker Ray and the Devil known as Gabe,

Thanks very much for the HD "Day Glow Freaks." This will take it up another notch.

@setlist help, for what it's worth,
Dawn of Dan-era B-sides (literal, not figurative) ; )

Through With Buzz, Any Major Dude Will Tell You, Pearl of the Quarter, Razor Boy, Fire in the Hole, Only a Fool Would Say That.

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 15:18:00 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

hmm on second though, maybe "Dawn" sounds better. The poster below names the popular ones, but there are many more slots leftover for gems...

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 15:13:01 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

Help needed on picking which Boston show to go to. How many songs do you anticipate they will play?

Also, can any of you please provide the set lists from previous "Request" nights?

My feeling is not to choose "Request" since I've seen the Dan twice already, and they'll likely play the typical during that night.

Which leaves Dawn and Royal Scam. If Dawn included Katy Lied, I'd be more intrigued. But it doesn't and is likely to include many of the blander, more radio-friendly Dan tunes.

As for Royal, I haven't heard Caves, Sign in, or Haitian live, and I love those tunes, but the rest I have heard (Don't Take, Charlemagne , Green Earrings) or don't care too much for (Fez, Everything, Royal Scam).

I struggle! If they play Boston Rag I will go home happy though :).

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 13:45:39 ET
Posted by: gaucho14, Boston

A bit surprised to see "Dawn of the Dan" night in Boston. Was hoping for a "Rarities" night, but oh well. I suspect there will be a good deal of overlap btw nights. For example, "Dawn of the Dan" should include MOS, DIA, RITY, DW, NBN, PL...keeping my fingers crossed for Brooklyn, Change of the Guard, YGT. Please, Walter, just no excreable rendition of Midnight Cruiser like you inflicted upon us in '96!

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 08:38:03 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower has been updated today. The Boston dates have been changed, and Special Setlist shows are also announced for Boston.

Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 21:44:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The devil gabe me do it....


Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 16:25:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Thanks for the Gil Scott-Heron reminder. I was going to post something yesterday and but forgot.

Winter in America with Brian Jackson was in heavy rotation at the parties I attended while in college in the mid 70's. I still listen to The Bottle on a rare occasion.

Obviously, Gil was far more influential than he was well known. A real musical revolutionary.

But he was dead wrong about one thing: The Revolution will most certainly be televised.

RIP, Gil.

Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 15:48:59 ET
Posted by: Gilbert "Gil" Scott-Heron, RIP - April 1, 1949 � May 27, 2011

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Steely Dan connection?

Bernard "Pretty" Purdie

And a general disdain for "Rare Earth" who Gil slammed often in song.

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

Lady Day and John Coltrane

Ever feel kinda of down and out and don't know just what to do?
Livin' all of days in darkness, let the sun shine through
Ever fell that somehow, somewhere you lost your way?
And if you don't get help you won't make it through the day
You could call on Lady Day!
You could call on John Coltrane!
They'll wash your troubles, your troubles away

Plastic people with plastic minds on their way to plastic homes
There's no beginning, there ain't no ending
just on and on and on and on and...
It's all because we're so afraid to say that we're alone
until our hero rides in, rides in on his saxophone
You could call on Lady Day!
You could call on John Coltrane!
They'll wash your troubles, your troubles away

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 16:14:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I shot you an email. I hope I
got your email right:

I also forgot to mention that I
think Walter Becker in particular
would really dig tracks like
"Adorable Ghost" that really has a
great dub feel to it. Again, I
invite every one to give the whole
project a listen. Many of Gabe's
tracks do also have a great dub feel.
And if you have "Circus Money" you
know how much Walter enjoys dub.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 13:58:54 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

@ Lurker Ray / Danfan

Your guests and boardmates really deserve a warning before having that schlock dropped on them. I have the Club House 12" version of the "Do It Again" / "Billie Jean" thing. It wasn't worth the 99 cents I paid for it. But true, it did get a lot of play here and in Europe. For the collectors out there, there's also a version by Brooklyn Express.

A better 12":
Steely Dan -- "Green Earrings Inst." (7:09) B/W Gabe is the Devil -- "Kid Clean" (4:23).


That Monkey in your Soul clap is huge. I really like it on the offbeats on "Lady Bayside."

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 11:25:54 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, on the deck


Thanks for making your Day Glow Freaks project available to us. Pretty cool stuff. Grows on you after a few listens.

Another Scurvy Brother

The Do It Again / Billie Jean mix by Slingshot that Ray refers to was released as a 12 inch by Quality Records. Side one comes in at 7:22 with vocals, while side 2 Dub Intrumental comes in at 8:12. To this day when I put it on the turnable at parties, weddings, etc; it never fails to fill the dance floor.


Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 10:10:06 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

@Lurker Ray, I tried to email you but I got a delivery failure. Is there another way to reach you?

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 09:50:11 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

Wow, I really like that "FM" cover. Much better than the Falco cover of "Do It Again" in my opinion.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 09:23:12 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Yeah, I guess you're right, Dean (as always).
I found this:

Gorillaz Cover Steely Dan's "FM"

. . . or technically if you follow all the antics of the Jamie Hewlett characters, it is a 2D "solo" effort (voice of Damon Albarn) along with the help of New Zealand saxophonist Nathan Haines covering the Becker/Fagen tune which originally appeared on the soundtrack for the very forgettable film of the same name. You'll find it on the web-only accessed new Gorillaz album The Fall. And it will not be titled "FM." Go to Track 6, under the playfully misleading title "Little Pink Plastic Bags." Some wags on the internet have indicated that the cover was recorded two years ago, and therefore cannot be part of the claim of Albarn that the new collection of songs was recorded on the road solely via iPad. Whatever. Haines puts his smooth jazz imprint on the song but doesn't try to replicate the original of Pete Christlieb. And if that's Albarn on guitar, cheers to him.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 00:14:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

I found this when I looked for Little Pink Plastic Bags:

I also see someone uploaded an FM cover as Pink Plastic Bags by Gorillaz, but it was quickly noted to be a fake and has sinced been relabeled as FM:

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that is Gorillaz. It is by Nathan Haines (smooth jazz artist) w/the Gorillaz lead singer (I think):

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 22:33:04 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Hey, just a nice little find to all you old geezers out there that dare to venture into the music of the kids today... (I kid, I kid)

One of the better bands around right now, Gorillaz covered FM on their new album. You can find it on Youtube, although it might be under the "secret" title of Little Pink Plastic Bags.

It's not bad, as far as Steely Dan covers go. Most of them are quite atrocious.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 22:17:42 ET
Posted by: Sixteen or More, The Den

Just watched this on Blu Ray.

After a flashback scene, the movie starts with Daddy Don't Live in that NYC. It ends with Don't Take Me Alive playing during the credits. Do it Again comes around the half way point.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 17:41:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I have been listening to your project for the last couple of days and it is now in my car. I can't get enough. Though if I may, I think that perhaps it's current running order may be turning off some folks who may ease into it better with a running order change. I think maybe people think that the whole project is going to sound like the first two tracks (the more Daft/Techno tracks) instead of listening to the entire project and discovering the "hidden gems". For what it is worth, I think any of the tracks 4,9,10,11 or 12 would serve as a
nice "1-2 opening punch" to the project and be more inviting to your hardcore Steely Dan fan that might be more reticent getting into the project. Just a thought.

I totally dig how you didn't use any vocal samples and tell "your own musical stories". And I really respect anyone who spends some time in the entertainment industry then leaves for 6 years to take another job and raise a child and then "comes back" doing something in their spare time. I can really relate to that. The project just oozes with you passion. I also wanted to let you know of an error in your
extensive credits. It occurs for the song, "The Girls". You incorrectly list "Tom Barney" as the bass player for the song "Sign In Stranger" from 1976's "Royal Scam". Walter Becker & Chuck Rainey are the only two bass players on that album and as I recall it is in fact Chuck Rainey On "Sign In Stranger". Though "Tom Barney" does play bass on "Sign In Stranger" on the live CD "Alive In America".
Though from what I have heard and read, you only used Steely Dan studio releases as sample sources.

Will you PLEASE make available a lossless high sample rate version of this terrific project??!!! I don't think the lowly 128 kps really does all of your hard work justice. And what about the tracks that didn't make the final "12", will you be making any of those available also? Thanks again for the wonderful gift that has made my Memorial Day weekend and all of your hard work. May you and your family have a wonderful holiday weekend.

Another Scurvy Brother,

The guys have gotten some very successful "club play they deserve".
In 1983 a 12 inch mix of "Do It Again" & Michael Jackson's,
"Billie Jean" was a huge club hit. Here is 5 minutes of it:


The food may be better at our "upscale restaurant", but they also sell "Souviners, Sundries & other assorted Tchotchkes", just like any other "Cracker Barrel" down the turnpike. Have been for nearly 20 years.

Keeping it as real as I can Tommy.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 11:55:32 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

A friend of mine is doing a video for "Broadway Duchess" as a school project. It's mostly out of my hands but I am anxious to see what he does with it.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 11:31:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


So I went to check out more of the vids on Gabe's site and surprise! There is only the one.

Are you planning on making more?

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 09:33:50 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Thanks for checking in

While I noted the music really isn't for me, I did find the whole thing pretty fascinating. It is absolutely clear you are a Dan fan and did this with respect.

As others have already noted, the detailed breakdown of the samples used was fantastic.

I listened to several cuts, but didn't notice the Watch option until later on. I will check out more of the vids today.

Anyway the entire package is pretty terrific. You should be very proud. Perhaps you are the Devil.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 07:39:52 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

Hey guys; glad I found this thread. Thanks for checking out Day Glow Freaks. So far, fellow Dan fans have been pretty receptive of the work even though the style is vastly different from SD's work. Please know the project was created with the utmost reverence for SD!

@another (scurvy brother): the clap from "Monkey in Your Soul" (and the kick from "Josie") are used so often in the songs because they are fantastically recorded. I'm still amazed at the depth of engineering they achieved in the 70s.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 01:57:07 ET
Posted by: Phil, Boston

The offical band website doesn't list the three upcoming Boston shows as being themed setlists, but with three nights at the venue, you'd think that this would be the case.

I'm not a huge Steely Dan fan, but I do enjoy their earlier work and would be there with bells on if they happen to do a Dawn Of The Dan or Royal Scam show in Boston.

Any serious fans know whether the plan is to announce themed nights, other than those already announced, for those cities with multiple nights?

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 20:12:50 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

I like Steely Dan. I like their music. I like their lyrics. I like their attitude.

That's it.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 19:04:40 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Ray is correct again. Love the Dan but they are "cash grab" artists as well, no different than any other band. How many "greatest hits" collections and repackaging of the same old songs? Reminds me of Elvis. DVD sales as well. Charging a higher price for "Gaucho" when it was released (I don't care what excuse they used). Ray has already covered the souvenier and ticket disparity. Don't get me wrong, this is America last I remembered and capitalism is king but don't try to separate D & W from other artists. They're all money grabbing machines. That is what this country is built on. I will spend the money while understanding these simple facts. What is more aggrevating is when folks on this sight try to make D & W look like saints, using terms like "integrity" and alike. Are you kidding me?? AGAIN...they are rock stars and will take every last dollar the market will allow.

Thank you Lurker Ray for keeping it real.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 16:13:35 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Everyone keeps looking for new music that's somehow reminiscent of our favorite duo and coming up short. So here's my entry in the "If You Like Walt and Don, Maybe You'll Like This, Too" sweepstakes: Vancouver's Dan Bejar, aka Destroyer, and his new album, Kaputt, in which I hear echoes of the Dan, early 80s Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music, and maybe some Eno/Bowie, too:

Destroyer, "Suicide Demo for Kara Walker":

Destroyer, "Kaputt":

& one more, from an older album:

Destroyer, "It's Gonna Take an Airplane" (live):


Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 16:06:04 ET
Posted by: Dirker, Day

Ray. That's like saying if you can go to an upscale restaurant and buy a souvenir such as a wine glass, they should also sell you frozen dinners to take home.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 15:23:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray - Start The Holiday Weekend!!, Malibu

Ah Dean.....

How can selling fan's an audio
souvenir after shows be a
"marketing trick"? Now you just
sound ridiculous. How is it ANY
different than buying a Steely Dan
Hooded Sweatshirt after a show for
a $100 - even thought we all know
the high mark-up on that Hoody that
retails for 10 bucks. It's a
marketing bonanza! A marketing
"trick" that Donald & Walter have
been quite comfortable with for
nearly 20 years now. And who can
blame them?! If you factor in the
cost to tour with a high-end recording
rig, an engineer and the manufacture of
the media, the "Hoody" wins hands down
on mark-up and profit. So I guess you
would call that a "cash grab" right?

You want to know what I call a cash grab?
Charging folks $250 to sit in the boonies
of the Beacon. Now that's what I call a
cash grab. And quite a marketing trick.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 11:37:49 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Matt, thanks a lot for posting DayGlowFreaks. Very cool stuff - not all that into the Daft Punk type stuff, but I like that he took the time to break down where all the samples come from.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 11:15:09 ET
Posted by: Lenny, F

Last Saturday, Bard honored the greatest musician to have graduated from the school.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 21:41:22 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother


Thanks for putting me on to Gabe is the Devil and his Day Glow Freaks project. Very Daft Punkish. It's funny, checking out the liner notes, how many times the "Monkey In Your Soul" handclap gets used. The chimes from "Turn that Heartbeat" and castanets from "West of Hollywood" are both nicely placed.

Didn't I read somewhere that "The Fez" and "Green Earrings" are written, in part, to capture some of that disco revenue? Maybe the guys will finally get the club play they deserved.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 21:07:15 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Impressed

jazzASSin & The Dean, I am proud of both of you! Admitting you have some problems (impotent, bitter, semi-pedophile dog smelling mouth breather!! A grumpy old fart with his head up his bowel!! A wimpy rock hater and a pseudo-intellectual psychotic babbling wannabe!!) is the first step to change and recovery. You both keep working on your self awareness and the possibilities are limitless. Having read your list of personal problems makes me realize how lucky I am. Stay in therapy and I wish you both the best.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:25:58 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, not impressed

Giggle, giggle.
Is that all you got? What about this one: Jazzassin is an impotent, bitter, semi-pedophile dog smelling mouth breather!! A grumpy old fart with his head up his bowel!! A wimpy rock hater and a pseudo-intellectual psychotic babbling wannabe!!

And The Dean is probably even worse, if possible.

C'mon, guys. English is your native language, not mine. You can do better.

And as for D & W, they should of course go to see a therapist to change their entire personality, so that they can start to act like decent rock stars. Time to enter the old orgone accumulator.

What's a usb stick???

Cheers, Dean! Let the kids play kids games. Fini.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:20:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Having one (or several) for Jazzassin


Thanks for those links. As usual I am in step with Jazzassin here. The music link is not for me, but interesting nonetheless. OTOH, I'm laughing my ass off at the infographic project.

And Jazzassin I don't get it either. They claim to like a band known for their idiosyncratic and perfectionist ways and now want them to act like more common talent. Oh well.

I don't expect other artists I enjoy to act like Steely Dan (although most could learn a thing or two from them), why would I demand the opposite?

So I'm "an old fox who cannot jump for the grapes any more"? Perhaps. But from my perspective taste, high standards and restraint are time-honored virtues that never go out of style. Marketing tricks come and go and those more concerned with the cash grab (and they are usually lacking in genius) "reinvent themselves" and ride the waves of trends.

This will be my last post on the topic. I'm guessing Ray will go on another Donald bashing crusade. After all, he claims to know WHY Donald does things and seems to think Steely Dan would be better off listening to him, instead of following their time-tested artistic senses. And this board doesn't need to be subject to a pissing contest. So, as I will do as Hoops requests and "fly low".

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:02:08 ET
Posted by: otisorange,

The same could be said of Lurker Ray.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 17:44:01 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

same can be said of the Dean

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 17:42:02 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Well said Lurker Ray...Jazzassin's comments are typical of a narrow minded bitter old man who has no idea what he is talking about.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 16:52:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

So Dean,

You think that the amazing recordings
that folks like Mark Knopfler &
Peter Gabriel put out for their fans
after shows are "hokey shit"? Man did
that make me laugh. You sound like an
old fox who cannot jump for the grapes
any more. Or an old man trashing something
he obviously knows nothing about.

Well you obviously have not heard
any of these great discs or experienced
the nifty USB sticks some artists use.
These are high-end professsional recordings.
Thousands of dollars is spent on briging in
the mobile units and high-end equipment.
And they sound amazing actually often much,
much better then say, "AIA". Which DOES
sound hokey.

Come to think of it, I have often seen
you remark here about various Steely Dan
bootlegs and the ones that you have
enjoyed. So the question is,

"How do you enjoy that hokey shit?"

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 16:18:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, just got virus

First: The Infographic project is very entertaining, and an original idea. I just took a quick tour through the first five songs, and will absolutely look at the rest of them as well!

The Dayglowfreaks project is not made for my ears, but I guess for young people who listens to that genre anyway, it's more healthy for them to listen to sample-based music when the samples are actually all from SD songs. :D

To me, it sounds like if I tried to playback SD from a seriously virus infected computer.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:50:26 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Also, there's the Steely Dan infographic project

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:46:56 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Dunno if this has already been discussed (I don't remember seeing it), but someone has made an album of 12 songs created entirely from samples of Steely Dan.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:32:59 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, give me a break

@ tommytomato, DYLNFAN
So, SD is your favorite band, only they would've been even better if they were a lot more like other bands? Especially those bands that works in more or less the exact opposite way?

@ The Dean.
Pour me another one, pal. I just got thirsty. Or make that two, actually.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 14:14:36 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

"D & W just need to embrace their inner rock star persona's"

I certainly hope they never even get close to that. Is there anything more useless and vile than a "rock star"?

I'm laughing at the suggestion The Dan release CDs at the end of their concerts. Thankfully, I feel fairly confident Don and Walt have far too much integrity and too high standards to engage in this hokey shit.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 13:52:45 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I'm with you DYLNFAN...I'm hoping for an official cd & dvd of the tour as well (many of us are). To me, during the 70's Steely Dan was more of a concept than a band. We all know the band can produce a state of the art studio recording. That will never change. IMO Steely Dan is now a viable live touring rock & roll band. D & W just need to embrace their inner rock star persona's and give up their illusion of control.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 10:26:48 ET

Homerun TommyTomato on the Dead being hip to taping and live
recordings, I wish Don & Walt would take A similar approach
as it is now mostly lousy recordings are out there, one
would think they wouldnt be in love with that either.Finally
I would say heres hoping for an official cd & dvd of the tour
but people on here have been saying that since 2003 & nada!!!

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 05:28:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Baritone


Jim S, "Obsession" was of course not to be taken literally. Just my humorous way of expressing it. ;)

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 04:35:41 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Phil, in France (I think).

Thanks for the heads up on The Royal Scam SACD. I ordered mine up straight away from cdjapan. Shame, I still haven't heard the Aja SACD, even though I've had it for almost a year (gear not set up at the moment). Soon though.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 21:42:17 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, jazz is the man

Thanks for your kind words, Mr. Hired Jazzassasin! Only I'm not as obsessed with the Dan as I am with simply doing the impossible; the Dan just happen to be my favorite band! To hear something completely genius that nobody has heard before is one of the random assorted goals in my life to help me pass the time. Then I wish to share it with those who can also appreciate the a work of art in the same way I do.

That said, I really appreciate the support, Jazz! Thanks a whole lot, man! :)

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 18:45:49 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, mediator's office

I've been following the somewhat heated dialogue between Mr. Lurker Ray and Mr. Jim Steele on this board, and I will gladly confirm Jim's best intentions and his integrity.
Jeez, I can't believe I'm in fact doing this, as things should never have been like they now have become. But, for whatever my word is worth (I don't know anyone here from real life), I guarantee that Jim is:

Not after anyone's money

Not after anyone's rare gems, unless they really want to share/exchange them

Not here to brag about rare findings to masturbate his ego

A very young man with a genuine interest / manic obsession for everything Dan, but then again, most of us suffers from that disease

A kind and generous person who willingly shares whatever he can share with those interested enough to ask privately (his provided email address is real)

A man of principels when it comes to not putting every single rarity he may come across directly to Youtube or the likes, but rather reserves them for us diehard fans "for reasons that just bleed obvious", in his own words

So enthusiastic and dedicated about his main interest, he sometimes
expresses himself in ways that could be misinterpreted, not out of evil or ignorance, but rather from overzealousness... I can understand that, as I clearly remember once being 16 myself (those were the days ;))

And this is maybe where the dog is buried. Things got a bit strained when he introduced himself here with the not-so-well-chosen words "Steely Dan ripped off a lot of music from other artists".
But hey, he already long time ago asked forgiveness for those words, and specified what he really meant. It even trigged an interesting discussion on the general subject of the tradition of lending from / quoting / ripping off other artists in a creative process. The old "Jarrett vs Steely Dan case" was even brought up for a new discussion.
I fully understand that Jim's initial words was suited to provoke on this forum, but I'm also 110% convinced that it was just a case of awkward language. The man is not stupid.

The "Cloak & Dagger" factor that some percieves in some of Jim's post
has no other reason than that he is actually trying not to step on anyone's toes, and that means people outside this forum, as well. Yes, there IS a world outside this forum. If you have partial info about certain things, but need to know more to complete the puzzle before you share your knowledge and /or actual found tracks with everyone, isn't ok then, to discreetly ask for help privately before you launch the rocket? Sometimes things that appear to be both interesting and achievable, turns out to be a blind alley. And sometimes a young man can overestimate how much discretion one really need to show in a given situation, as well. After all, too much discretion is always better than too little, right?

I know that I am guilty of having given Jim the impression that especially Ray is the man to consult about rarities, as Ray has actually given me the impression that he "has and knows" much of interest in that field. Ray, you once confirmed that, too.
If I ever had the slightest idea that it would cause so much distrust and suspicion towards Jimmy, I guess I would never have bothered to do so.

And Ray, to me you'll probably always be a man to consult on this board, and a man with strong opinions, which is perfectly ok with me.
I just wish you too can sooner or later start to trust our Steely Bro Jim Steele. He means no harm, and has a big heart beating with the same time signature as us all: The Purdie Shuffle (and some others, layed down by i.e. Steve Gadd and Keith Carlock.

When it comes to what is ok and what is not ok to post on this forum, I'm sure we can all still count on Hoops to be the one to educate those who occasionally crosses this this board's rules.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 18:07:27 ET
Posted by: No, Jim Steele, you are wrong

We ARE all out to get Lurker Ray.

To quote somebody from somewhere, "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't really out to get me."

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 15:29:01 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, I aint dranken no holy wine save muscatel

@The Hardly Lurking Ray: I really don't understand why you find me so shady and untrustworthy, anyway. If you ask anyone on here who I've interacted with via E-mail prior to this, I don't think you'd find one out of those kind souls who'd deem me all "secretive," "titillating" and shifty.

The reason I believe there aren't too many Steely Dan fans who care (or even know) about the freaking huge plethora of unreleased D&W compositions is that I had pointed out a possible way for fans to obtain the 'lost Dan demos' Mr. Lyle, Anyway You Want It and One Ticket to LA on that Emax music site and nobody was too receptive (bar one gentleman who yelled at me for not being able to provide him with those tracks at that very place and time.)

Plus, only a dedicated few reacted to the news of the discovery of PTBYS and Tell Me a Lie, like I said, and those curious who emailed me got them too! I�m just reluctant to upload them on Youtube for reasons that just bleed obvious.

Ray, I can tell that you're a decent guy and I don't think that you're out of line, for speaking out for what [are your ideals] and I'd like to see you do just fine [too]. (Sorry but I had to deface the fitting lyrics of Barrytown just for this :P) Please just ease up a bit. Not everyone on here is out to get you, scurvy bro.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 14:59:03 ET
Posted by: tmnuipns, New York

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Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 14:04:44 ET
Posted by: shark deville, up on the hill

I was able to secure tickets for Rarities Night at the Beacon. wanted to hit Dawn of the Dan too, but I had to choose. Would love to see 21t Century Night too, for that matter. I sure hope someone is recording, regardless of the quality.

I'm going crazy wondering what rarities will played. I figure they might drop a few on the summer tour just to break 'em in and give everyone a taste.

how many bands would offer special setlist shows like these? not many, and you've got to hand it to D&W for being ambitious and reaching out to their danbase.

LOTS of bands are offering after-show CDs of their live performances... not just jam bands. how cool would that be at Dan shows? especially the Beacon run

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 13:45:50 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, 18th Floor, Crazytown

Hi ya kids,

Thank you, Klaus, for the shout out. I know I have been scarce 'round here ('round every where, pretty much...blame it on joining the ranks of the civil litigators and their busy trial schedules).

Its good to see some old friends (Danfiend, El Sup, Dan B., LurkerRay, etc.) as well as to see we have some new blood this year. Part of the fun of being a community is making new friends....geez, I sound like a Girl Scout Leader! Maybe I should give up the Adorable Ghost, now?

Anyhoo, I look forward to living vicariously through those of you going to the first few months of shows. And I'm really hoping that we can relive some of those grand nights in the Greenroom that so many of us remember from 2003. The talk, the errr...yeah. Somebody to trust. All that.

Any special requirements for logging in, Jim? I know I have not used by login for many moons, but if you have suggestions, please let us know.

MMMMWAHHH! See ya at the Beacon with my Can't Buy a Thrill purse in tow! Looks like that will be my limited thrill this year....

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 11:47:57 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

On the subject of Donald's reluctance to record and sell SD's concerts...I basically agree with Lurker's all about the performers attitude, confidence & relationship with their own performances. Jerry Garcia once said in an interview that as a performer, after the concert ends, he was done with it. Why not let the fans have it. As a matter of fact from 1984 to 1995 the GD had a taping section for those who wanted to tape. Soundboard patches were common and the band recorded every show for possible future release. To this day all the "Dead" related bands follow that belief as well. CD's of that nights show available immediately after the show for those who want them. Also available are digital downloads for a small fee...$15 to $20. Go visit to see the amount of artist's who share that belief. Come on're making a pretty good living playing live shows...(haven't seen any SD or Fagen studio stuff lately)...let us have the "souvenier" and make some scratch to boot! As fans we just want our SD shows warts and all.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 09:42:45 ET
Posted by: Phil, l�

The Royal Scam rereleased on SACD in Japan :

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 05:00:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


No one is making a "dig" at your principals. Lighten up, Francis. It just seems that you often post titillating messages that exclude most of the folks here or that seem to have a shroud of secrecy around them lately. Not to mention the last time we spoke you were saying that Steely Dan "ripped-off" much of their music. Remember? How in the hell do I know what your intentions are?

I also in case you have not noticed made many friends here lately and I am quite reticent to give you or anybody any direct contact info for me or my company. Again, I do not know you and you are somewhat new around here.

How do you know that "a scarce amount of Danhards even care about hearing the Hoover album or Shuffling Up Your Downs-esque material"? You are making quite an assumption. You say that there are "personal matters" involved. So perhaps you will hear from me when I get a chance if I can help in any way.


Yet once again you have totally missed the point.

"integrity and a commitment to quality"??

The music has already been performed that night. The "performance" exists, warts & all. The crowd already experienced & heard the performance, so why not give them a souvenir? This has nothing to do with "outtakes" or "sub-par" material!!! It's the show they JUST PERFORMED live for a few thousand people. People who this year will be paying hundreds of dollars for seats. I would never go to a Steely Dan Show thinking that I would be getting a "sub-par" experience. And who ever said anything about using Steely Dan music in �commercial campaigns�? Again these are fan souvenirs. Made for the fan and sold to the fan after the shows. And yes Donald does not have the "confidence" to offer such souvenirs to the fans. I think Walter would be fine with it, remember it was Donald who insisted on the AIA over-dubs not Walter.

Of course numerous record company produced "live albums" have been sweetened or over-dubbed (Though Dire Straits "Alchemy" is a brave release �straight� from the mixing desk) And yes Donald�s tweaking strangled what �soul� were in many of those 1993-1994 live recordings. All one has to do is listen to Roger Nichol�s recording of the 1994 Irvine, California show and hear the soul, humanity, spontaneity and true-to-life joy that was marvelously documented that evening. It�s everything the AIA should have been and a perfect example of what these fan souvenir CDs or USB Jump Drives could be after seeing a great Steely Dan show.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 00:09:56 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I guess I don't understand how integrity and a commitment to quality = a lack of balls.

Knopfler, Gabriel and The Who may have released some stuff without overdubbing (though virtually all live albums, even those without overdubs, are sweetened and re-mixed after the fact), but Gabriel and The Who have also released live albums that reportedly contained overdubs. I don't know about Knopfler.

I would say Don and Walt have HUGE metaphoric balls for refusing to officially release outtakes, and other sub-par (by their high standards) material simply to cash in. In fact, I'd say it takes balls to not take the money and allow your music to be used in commercial campaigns, as I believe The Who, Gabriel and Knopfler (Dire Straits) have all done.

One of the reasons I have the respect I do for Steely Dan is they tend to do things their way, not the way other artists do things or the way the labels and/or fans might prefer.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 23:26:22 ET
Posted by: JS,

Lurker Ray, you have a valid point and I respect it and I really want to respect you even after you made such a dig at my principals. There ARE personal matters involved and when the time comes I'll disclose everything to the whole community but right now I'm sorry but I can't. I just figured you were a kind, devoted and knowledgeable aficionado and honestly only a select few have contacted me regarding Slave (all of which own it now) so I doubt there are that many dying over what I dig up in my spare time.

If everyone involved gives their consent I'll post EVERYTHING I own, (including Slave) you have my 'meaningless, scoundrel' word. Why don't you share your own copy of PTBYS if you think I'm committing such an injustice here?

And I really believe that only a scarce amount of Danhards (moi included) even care about hearing the Hoover album or Shuffling Up Your Downs-esque material. (No doubt this stuff is probably early demo quality and I'm aware of that.)

Please stop being so belligerent to a guy who only wanted to talk to you about Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 22:06:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

One of the reasons that �AIA� is sub par is because Donald had to tinker with Roger�s work and made many of the musicians do studio over-dubs. Donald clearly does not have the balls to release day-of-show live recordings, warts & all.

Knopfler does, Gabriel does and so do the Who and many of these recordings are simply amazing.

Jimmy Steele,

This is a Steely Dan forum for EVERYTHING Steely Dan, except of course �personal matters�. What could we possibly talk about that pertains to Linda Hoover that we could not talk openly about here? That she was a friend of Gary Katz? That she along with Walter & Donald tried to release a project they did together for MGM that was never released before the duo moved to LA and formed Steely Dan? That she recorded a song by Becker & Fagen called, �Turn My Friend Away� that is out there and floating around as well as another D&W comp called �Jones� I believe. But hey buddy, how about putting a stop with all of this cloak and dagger stuff from you it seems whenever you discovery something new about Steely Dan and/or their early days.

Do you now have copies of �Turn My Friend Away� & �Jones� or an acetate of the doomed MGM complete project? If you do then how about posting that if people are interested that you will let people know how they can contact you. That way everyone can know about Linda Hoover and get the songs from you and do it away from this board as Hoops wishes.

It�s like a while ago someone was saying that you were going to make �Proud To Be Your Slave� available I believe and you never did or something to that effect. My point is, please no secrets or dangling carrots in front of people here. Maybe some people here would like some juicy new gossip on Linda Hoover. I don�t know. Either way just spill it to the class and open it up for discussion if it is relevant and most importantly tasteful.
How do you know that other people here besides myself might know a great deal more about Linda Hoover?

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 21:33:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 19:05:41 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway, headed for bed


Steely Dan toothbrush, pajamas and sheets, goddammit!! ;D

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 17:09:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


"if that was a thing they would ever consider, they wouldn't have been the unique, quality-obsessed no-bullshit Steely Dan that we all adore so much. "

No doubt. I agree 100%.

And, Mike Greco, the band sounds terrific on both Dan and Yes selections. My one complaint, and it's the same with almost every Steely Dan cover band, is the vocals are too "pretty" for the Steely Dan music, IMO. OTOH, they work fine for Yes. I think getting Donald's feel without mimicking him, has to be very tough.

That's why I typically prefer those who re-interpret SD's music instead of trying to imitate it. You might get the instrumental part down, but the vocals are a different story altogether.

Again, just my opinion.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 17:00:14 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway, Home Of Deprived (no ScanDanAvian leg this year)

Ben, Dean:

"I seriously doubt Don and Walt would allow those on-the-spot live recordings to be issued. Hey, it's possible, but it doesn't fit with their quality control mindset."

I think you hit it pretty well, Dean. It won't happen. And honestly, if that was a thing they would ever consider, they wouldn't have been the unique, quality-obsessed no-bullshit Steely Dan that we all adore so much.
No reason for them to change a winning team, and we should be happy with them doing things the way that they do. There's more than enough "ordinary" artists around willing to sell their grandmother for a couple of bucks.

Guess we're all hoping for more planned live recordings, though, not to mention more fresh SD studio material. (But I wouldn't bet on either.)

Michael Greco:

Your tribute project is massively impressing! I might have a couple of small issues on a very detailed level, but don't think they're even worth mentioning. Maybe the best and most competent SD tribute band ever? At least amongst those who try to do the songs as close to the originals as possible. Only wrong thing is you're not actually Steely Dan... ;)

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 15:16:57 ET
Posted by: Michael Greco, New York

One more thing! If you like what you hear on the links below, "LIKE" us on our Facebook page, and join our website mailing list to find out if we'll be playing in an area near you!



~Mike Greco

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 15:12:38 ET
Posted by: Michael Greco, New York

Hey Everyone!

Check out my brand new "STEELY DAN" Tribute band! We have worked so hard to perform an ultimate tribute to the best band in the world! Hope you enjoy!

Musical Promo

Babylon Sisters

All The Best,
Mike Greco

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:54:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Quick clarification on the last post:

When I said:

I "have heard a few if these (and I even bought one once). The quality (sound, performance) ranges from horrible to "OK, I guess"

I was talking about the official recordings of the show you buy on your way out of the concert. I have heard none of these from Steely Dan, as they don't exist. I have heard Steely Dan bootlegs made from live shows and they range from not-so-hot to pretty-damn-good.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:49:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


I also like the Piano Jazz recording (I actually listened to when it first aired and then bought the recording when it came out). It's fun, spontaneous--a real breath of fresh air. Marian does a great job most of the time and in this show she seemed to really enjoy Don and Walt and it's obvious they enjoyed her, too.

I also really enjoyed the live in small space/studio stuff released earlier this century. The sound and performances are better (for the most part) on these than on Alive in America. Don't get me wrong, AiA had some terrific stuff, but overall I was a bit disappointed.

I seriously doubt Don and Walt would allow those on-the-spot live recordings to be issued. Hey, it's possible, but it doesn't fit with their quality control mindset. I have heard a few if these (and I even bought one once). The quality (sound, performance) ranges from horrible to "OK, I guess". I'm mot suggesting they absolutely can't be done at a higher level and/or that there aren't some are produced that sound very good. But this ain't some fast-and-loose jam band, or blues band we're taking about.

With that said, I hope SD does more of the controlled "live" stuff. I'd also be very happy to have them release a high-quality live album, produced properly and from great recording venue.

This is just my opinion, of course. And I can only guess what they might do, or why they do it, or don't.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:00:52 ET
Posted by: Ben , Indy


I just got the Marian McPartland Piano Jazz CD, and if you haven't heard it, it's great. I always enjoy the interviews with our Dynamic Duo, which are featured along with great stripped-down SD and jazz tunes. Also, I wish SD would try going the route many groups, such as the Allman Brothers, and sell a just-recorded cd following each show. Frampton's doing a world tour revisiting his Comes Alive album, and as fans leave the venue they can grab the cd. I like tees and caps and keychains, but what's cooler than a disc of the show? I guess another souvenir I'd buy, and I don't recall seeing, would be SD shades. I'd dig a pair of Fagen-style glasses!

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 11:58:21 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele,

Hey Lurker Ray, I know this is sudden but is there any chance you could contact me via email? I need to chat with a very knowlegable Dan devotee about something I learned recently regarding the mysterious female singer Linda Hoover and her largely SD related album. You'd be helping this curious, young Danhard lots; many thanks dude!

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 11:10:57 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Klaus, thanks for the info...I check in here a few times a week. I look forward to the get toethers and the SHOWS! We'll be in touch.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 19:13:08 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

Hey there Klaus, I'm strongly considering hitting Cincy as well, yes. Keep me in the loop on a Danfest there. And I haven't posted much lately, but I'm always lurking around, checking in every two or three weeks. Can't get rid of me!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 16:49:58 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


Thanks for the confirmation on the Australian ticket prices. I was looking at:

"Concert and Dining Package - $385pp* Includes luxury pre-concert 3-course luncheon with beverages and Gold reserve ticket"

Gold seats are $190, so they are charging almost $200 for dinner.

I'd say this is a very interesting deal (depending on where the seats are and again, the quality of the food and wine):

"Private Marquees for up to 20 guests - $7,750 Includes covered seating for up to 20 guests and full hospitality package for the concert."

I wonder if that means you get a private area for the 20 guests and full food and drink. If so, that sounds like a good time for a close group of Dan fans.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 16:00:13 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

"G'day Lurker Ray, just interested in your comment on the Beacon Theatre. How much would you pay for Premium Seats there, say 1-2 rows back? Seems to be a lot of chat about the outlandish prices at that venue. Enquiring minds want to know! Cheers!"

G'day DanFan!

I would have gladly paid $250 dollars American, at the Beacon for Premium seats in the first 2 rows. Unfortunatley I paid $250 for seats for two of the three nights that I am attending and they aren't anywhere near the front of the theatre. And I am stuck with Sam Yahel instead of Steve Winwood! ;O)

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 15:43:43 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Tiffin Ohio

Tommy/going to Toledo for sure the city I was born and raised in/ my Bros still live there. I will put a small danfest togrther maybe at my Brothers house 5 miles away from the zoo always enjoy meeting new Danfans. In spite of popular opinion it is a pretty cool place to see a show and I will buy some beer and sausage for my new Danfriends. Keep in touch on this board and we will together I miss you Little Wild One and wish you would come to Toledo so I could pull you yo the front row like you did for me in Motown!!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 15:24:43 ET
Posted by: SF DanFan, Not in the show

I'm a bit surprised they are only doing one show in Sydney and Melbourne.
I would think Sydney could support two shows.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 14:18:09 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Hey Klaus...a buddy and I will be attending Cincy, Toledo and last 2 nights NYC. If there is get together (pre/post show) at can count on us to show. Peace. t tomato

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 13:55:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey Dan/ Nice to see you back on the blue. Met you at Cinci a few years back/ will you be heading to Cinci this year and if you are I would be willing to buy you a cold one at Lidos. Down at the Lido they welcome you with sausage and beer! Klaus and the rooster have been there too but lately he spends his time here. I just tortured my guitar teacher into figuring that out and was well worth the effort.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 10:39:32 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, gone Bush

Just a quick tip:

Kate Bush just released "Directors Cut" with 11 songs, all of them re-recordings of songs from her (imho, and her's, too) two weakest albums - "The Sensual World" (1989) and "The Red Shoes" (1993), all of which have been recorded using analogue, rather than digital, equipment to create "a warmer sound".
("The Sensual World (song) has been renamed "The Flower Of The Mountain")

All the tracks have new lead vocals, new drums, and radically reworked instrumentation. Some of them have been transposed to a lower key to accommodate her lowering voice. Three of the songs, including "This Woman's Work", have been completely re-recorded, with lyrics often changed in places.

Steve Gadd is drumming throughout the album.

Nice to hear her give these songs a second chance, and the result is varied, but mostly very successful imho.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 08:25:44 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

I'll second El Sup's suggestion on the Louisville Palace. If you are anywhere near the area, it's a great venue for a show. Beautiful place, but also the acoustics are really nice. (If anyone of you folks dig bluegrass, check out the live DVD Alison Krauss + Union Station released a few years ago -- it was filmed at the Palace. I'm sure there's clips on Youtube) And as I talked about with Mike the other day, I'm sure there'll be a handful of us at least getting together for a small Danfest before the show at a nearby bar.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 05:14:02 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Bullgoose here, taking the economic temperature wherever he can stick a thermometer.

Life Coach booked seats at Sirromet Winery, Brisbane QLD today.

Gold Seats G1 Row T (20 back) $A197
Yes, Steve Winwood is on the bill. Both he and Donald have penned numbers called, The Finer Things.
And you don't have to tip in Australia.

The situation is likely to change when we run out of stuff to dig out of the ground and sell to China, but that won't happen this tour.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 03:27:14 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan Fan, Southland

Looking forward to the tour!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 01:40:24 ET
Posted by: oops, we wish

that's 24 hrs, not 124.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 01:39:05 ET
Posted by: Insiders needs outsiders' info , not everywhere, unfortunately

Call for information, folks - : you are the eyes on the ground here.

Could we get a call-off of:

= Where are people purchasing "Premium" or "Platinum" tickets?

= Are they from the Ticketmaster page, off the tab Labeled "Official Platinum Seats?"

= Are they from a broker?

= can you please provide:

- a hard link for (or around) your purchase or considered purchase

- the price you paid/ price asked

- where and how the location of a seat was conveyed to you -- eg "first 2 rows". Actual text would be VERY helpful. If no text, how was this info conveyed?

- Any portion of the above also appreciated.

Brainpower and the digit extracting program program can process hard info (sorry, no editorials or long text strings) for about the next 124 hrs.

Thanks from the cubicles....

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 22:12:00 ET
Posted by: travelling minstrel, the southland

Just secured two "Platinum" seats at the Adelaide (Mc Laren Vale) winery show. A$235 each. Third row. I'm excited!

For me, at least,the price is not so relevant- I am just happy to be able to see the band play. I saw the 2007 Heavy Rollers tour, both in Adelaide AND Melbourne, and can't wait until 30 October.

Anyone else going to the Adelaide show?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 21:01:58 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

As far as ticket prices go, let's not forget that 'Steely Dan' is a business. These guys are not playing if no one is paying.

These shows are their livlihood, no reason they should not make as much money as possible.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 20:54:33 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

G'day, regarding the SD ticket prices at Sirromet Winery, check out this link.

I paid $230 for Platinum tickets, two rows back from the stage. Other options available.

Reelin' in the years.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:45:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The B-Side to Dyke and the Blazer's "We Got More Soul" was "Shotgun Slim".

Just sayin...

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:41:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Post Dinner Glow


I think you may be mistaken about the Australian price/ticket location. According to bullgoose's original post, it sounds like the seats with the kids (who get in free) all about are $160 Au.

"Bullgoose's self-appointed Life Coach is dirty on the organisers of the Brisbane winery SD show for allowing children under 10 in free while charging A$160 (That's $1950.75 US) for seats. She is unwilling to watch the show while surrounded by prattling Gen Zedders reeking of popcorn and lollipop, so it's the fancy seats up front for us"

I've checked out a couple of Australia winery shows and have found some very different prices. For example, General Admission tickets at Sirromet Winery are $99 Au, while there are also tickets for $385 Au.

Bimbadgen Winery has tickets from $149 Au to $230 Au.

I'm sure bullgoose can confirm the real deal, but if he got Platinum tickets in the first two rows center, for $160 Au, you are right, that IS a great deal.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:09:36 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

G'day Lurker Ray, just interested in your comment on the Beacon Theatre. How much would you pay for Premium Seats there, say 1-2 rows back? Seems to be a lot of chat about the outlandish prices at that venue. Enquiring minds want to know! Cheers!

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:54:53 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


You can get a seat here at the Greek
in the benches up top for $60 also.
So basically, what you are saying is
that for just $35 more than the
Louisville cost of a ticket I can sit
1st or 2nd row dead center in Australia
plus Steve Winwood is on the bill?
Sounds like a damn good deal to me.

As I have posted a few times now,
there was a Maxi-Single release of
"Cousin Dupree" - The bounus or "B"
tracks are "Aja" from AIA, and
"Fall Of '92" Live' from Irvine '93
and "Overure" Live from Irvine '94.

Like I said, B-Sides these days usually
refers to "Special" tracks or "Rarities".
They named it "Rarities" night originally.
And if the info has infact changed, I'm
suprised there isn't a name change of the
night officially at

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:39:09 ET
Posted by: Answering , Dean

If I recall, there were no singles from the New Testament albums. Only "focus tracks."

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:31:57 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Here is everything "officially released" (1972-1980) that they haven't played live since they resumed touring in 1993:

Sail the Waterway
Only a Fool Would Say That
Fire in the Hole
Change of the Guard
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Razor Boy
Your Gold Teeth
Pearl of the Quarter
King of the World
Through With Buzz
With a Gun
Charlie Freak
Rose Darling
Your Gold Teeth II
Throw Back the Little Ones

I'm hoping we might get one or two of those during the Dawn of the Dan set, but who knows for sure. So for rarities night, which of these do we think will make the cut? Or will they go completely outside the box and drop Kulee Baba, Mr. Sam, Soul Ram and Girl Next Door to the Methodone Clinic on us?


El Sup

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:27:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Watching the Pot, It Ain't Boiling!

Oh, one more thing...

The Aussies may be getting a better deal than some venues, but in Louisville, the Palace is charging from $59.50 to $125 ($75 and $89.50 are also options).

As I'm sure you know, ticket prices aren't typically set by the band, but rather the promoter/venue. And unless things have changed, prices are set based on what they believe will maximize revenue for any particular show.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:20:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Pasta Water is On the Burner!


I believe every song I listed was the physical B-Side to a Steely Dan single. I could not find the B-Side to Dupree and B Beach, because I don't think they issue physical singles anymore, but I may be wrong.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:13:39 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Interesting you consider all of those
songs B-Sides. Any idea just out of
curiosity how many of those tunes
on your list that were actually
physical B-sides back in the day?

B-Sides these days in the years of the
CD & CD Maxi-Single, Japanese & Import
editions usually refers to songs that were
never on the normal CD releases not the
flipside to something. And usually often
times considered rare. Your list and Cousin
Dupree and Blues Beach all were released
on the "standard" release.


Oh great, so you mean to tell us that
even the Aussies are getting a better
deal this summer with Steve Winwood
on the bill and their economy is
kicking our arse?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:00:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Stirring the Sunday Sauce

I would hope they skip Dallas and Sail the Waterway (especially Dallas) as those songs are Steely Dan embarrassments, IMO.

Some great B-Sides I would LOVE to hear live, include:

Fire in the Hole
Only a Fool Would Say That
Pearl of the Quarter
Razor Boy
Any Major Dude
Through With Buzz
Chain Lightning
Green Earrings
Throw Back the Little Ones
Sign In Stranger
I Got the News
Home At Last
Black Cow

Of course, some of these are not unusual to hear at any Dan concert.

Also, did the newer single have a B-Side? What were the B-sides to Cousin Dupree and Blues Beach?

With that said, I probably lean toward the explanation of the last anon poster, that "B-Side" is probably not necessarily used figuratively here. But if it were, I'd be happy with the songs above being included in any show.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 17:30:03 ET
Posted by: Answering, Ray

I think "B-Sides" is being used figuratively and not literally here.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 16:09:42 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Premuim seats at the Tower for the 2 Philly shows were priced at $450.00 ea.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 16:04:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

bullgoose & DanFan,

Those prices are very much the same as here in LA for the Greek shows.
I got NO problem with charging folks $160 - $170 for "Premium/Platnium Seats". THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED PREMIUM! You will be right up front in the first two rows and that is the point of "Premium" seats.

Sadly $250 will not get you anywhere near the first two rows at the Beacon.


I see now that the Beacon is advertising "Rarities" night as "Rarities & B-Sides"? Nothing has changed at

My question, what B-Sides does Steely Dan have? We all know of Bodhisattva "Live", but they have been doing Bodhisattva live regularly since 1993. I guess you could catagorize "Dallas" & "Sail The Waterway" as B-Sides, but I will bet not even Walter is willing to sing either one of those. They both seem to hate those two tracks.

Donald is clearly the one with numerous "B-Sides", but then it wouldn't be "Steely Dan B-Sides". So I'm a bit confused. Any thoughts?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 00:55:23 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

This clip of Paper Sun could give us a clue to the origins of the SD/ S Winwood partnership. it now seems obvious that Winwood shares Becker's enthusiasm for primitive art, in particular tribal masks. That should stand him in good stead during those long flights on the tour plane.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 00:43:32 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Mr Lurker Ray
I thought my posted conversion $A-$US was fairly accurate, if hyperbolic. It may not have been true , but I'll stand by every word-and number. Then again, I'm a babe in the currency woods. So okay, it's probably around $170 US. As a point of reference, Mr Dan Fan could have bought Fannie Mae in its heyday, plus a low mileage Lincoln Town Car, for what he paid for platinum seats at Brisbane. It will be worth it.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 23:39:09 ET
Posted by: DanFan, The Lucky Country

Ola Bullgoose - definitely when all's said and done one DanFest coming up in Briswages. I, too, bought the Platinum tickets to get up close and personal and away from the ankle biters. Second row, I believe, at the Steely price of $230 or thereabouts. Had to sell some of my gold teeth for the privilege!

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 22:16:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


That means a lot coming from you.

That ticket price A$160, what's the
actual exchange rate in US dollars?

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 21:47:09 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Hey, Mr Lurker Ray,
Just read and chortled at your Winwood/SD 'Name That Tour' post of earlier this month. In my opinion you deserved a few pats on the back or, as we Aussies put it, 'pants off to ya,mate'.

John Barleycorn Must Go

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 15:53:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Sunny Saturday


All is well my Steely Brotha.
Glad to see you back. Like I
said, don'tcha think that if
some new comes here and starts
her post with "F*CK BILL MAHER",
something that has NOTHING to do
with our beloved Steely Dan, that
we aren't going to have a little
good natured fun? ;O)

Cloudy 357,

Welcome. I guess the night "heat"
has already arrived in Texas this
summer? Stay cool. That "Pops"
biography is tops. May I suggest -

"Louis Armstrong : The Complete Hot Five and Hot Seven Recordings"

I've had the collection for over ten
years now and I never tire of it.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 11:29:29 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Dean - Many thanks for the reply. Really looking forward to the show.

If any Dan fans want to try out a different venue this time around I strongly recommend the 8/17 Louisville, KY show at the Palace Theatre. Outstanding acoustics coupled with stunningly beautiful architecture will make this a wonderful show to see. I had been hoping Steely Dan would finally pick up this venue. I might even put together a Dan fest if I can get enough interest. Here is a link to a virtual tour of the venue:

Take care and I'll see many of you soon (either here, the Big Apple or a couple of other shows),


Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 06:18:25 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Cloud/ If you need a guitar player' just saying. Is that light enough for you Ray?

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 06:12:00 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Peace out Ray/ Yes I know who Will Rogers was but I dont think Will was hip to the Dan and that was and is my point. As far as Cloud goes I am still intrigued by the the thought of a naked woman playing along to Peg' as a musician I think I would like to be in her band. As I said before I know you are a Steely bro and you have shared great insight into Steely matters its just that I come here to relax and bask in the Steely Dan glow and it gets a little tense sometimes. I am trying to lighten up my brother because Steely Fucking Dan is coming to town!!!

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 05:12:07 ET
Posted by: Andrew Hamer, Yorkshire

I would love to see the Dan release something along the lines of Springsteen's 1975-85 live CD boxset.

Guess I'll have to carry on dreaming ...

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 04:04:18 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas. Zzzzzz....

Crazy. Don't know why its posting 2xs. I only submitted once. Good Night/Day to all.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 03:29:40 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas

Thanks to the person for the link about Mr. Nichols. I didn't know he passed or as much as I should know about him but Wiki did a great write up thats going to take awhile for me to finish. So much to learn about the other minds behind the phenomenon called Steely Dan. I just got hung up on the music but I always wondered how they got that "clean" sound. I can really hear it in "Peg" M. Macdonald's (sp?) singing the single word Peg is unbelievable. And how about the back-up singers on Gaucho... Whooo!
Wow, He sure had a Great set of ears. When I go to concerts, thats usually the 1st place I go, to the sound board area. I don't understand it but I know thats what enhances the magic on stage. Seems like all the good folks are passing on... "I'm just growing old..." Keep the light on. Peace.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 02:31:23 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas - "I'll learn to work the saxphone and I'll play just what I feel...".

Good Evening,
I've done my penance for besmirching the Dandom site. I attempted to drum Aja. I just love those beats between Shorter's sax before S.Gadd goes into overdrive till the end of the song. Brought a vinyl copy so I can play that over and over. Found a small site about the drummers of SD:
Just finished reading D. Fagen's piece about Phoebe Snow. Nice with a bit of honest bite. I get a better idea of her as a human versus the singer.
Thinking about running away from home to catch one of SD concerts. Only live once, right? Louisville K.Y. might be my best shot as I have to drive from here instead of flying. I think thats as far South as SD will come. Found a small site about the drummers of SD
I learned to play violin by "ear" (Suzuki method) but didn't get to follow up for the 2nd part the formal notation. Mimicry and a stumbling notation reader. I'm reading a great bio about L. Armstrong called "Pops". Honest serious insight about early musicianship and the man behind the smile. Any musicians out there? I would like to read what you play and how you learned.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 02:31:09 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas - "I'll learn to work the saxphone and I'll play just what I feel...".

Good Evening,
I've done my penance for besmirching the Dandom site. I attempted to drum Aja. I just love those beats between Shorter's sax before S.Gadd goes into overdrive till the end of the song. Brought a vinyl copy so I can play that over and over. Found a small site about the drummers of SD:
Just finished reading D. Fagen's piece about Phoebe Snow. Nice with a bit of honest bite. I get a better idea of her as a human versus the singer.
Thinking about running away from home to catch one of SD concerts. Only live once, right? Louisville K.Y. might be my best shot as I have to drive from here instead of flying. I think thats as far South as SD will come. Found a small site about the drummers of SD
I learned to play violin by "ear" (Suzuki method) but didn't get to follow up for the 2nd part the formal notation. Mimicry and a stumbling notation reader. I'm reading a great bio about L. Armstrong called "Pops". Honest serious insight about early musicianship and the man behind the smile. Any musicians out there? I would like to read what you play and how you learned.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 00:18:20 ET
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Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:46:37 ET
Posted by: Cloudy357, Texas. I'm pulling cactus thorns off my tongue

Greeting Dandom folks.
I'm sorry for saying that about Bill. Thats no way to introduce myself to this wonderful site of people that talks about music I care about. I should never have posted that. TMI. It was meant to be funny. Yes, Bill can be very funny but as of late he just throws out generalizations about people for laughs instead of crafting joke like he used to. I'm not good at repeating a joke so heres the site. He tells em best.
Strangely it wasn't about the religion but the comment about Texas. I'll reserve my opinion about Bin Laden demise but I did have some mixed feeling about being happy about someone dying. It be like shooting/killing an intruder in my home. Mixed feelings.
I love Texas but I'm not the stereotype that Bill implied in the joke. I was making a joke of his joke and it failed. Ta Dum. The End. I'm sorry. I'll stick to just reading and commenting on postings.
Now, Back to the music-
Thanks for the info about Phoebe Snow/Steely Dan. I'll just wait maybe thay will release it later. Peace.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:44:12 ET
Posted by: Cloudy357, Texas. I'm pulling cactus thorns off my tongue

Greeting Dandom folks.
I'm sorry for saying that about Bill. Thats no way to introduce myself to this wonderful site of people that talks about music I care about. I should never have posted that. TMI. It was meant to be funny. Yes, Bill can be very funny but as of late he just throws out generalizations about people for laughs instead of crafting joke like he used to. I'm not good at repeating a joke so heres the site. He tells em best.
Strangely it wasn't about the religion but the comment about Texas. I'll reserve my opinion about Bin Laden demise but I did have some mixed feeling about being happy about someone dying. It be like shooting/killing an intruder in my home. Mixed feelings.
I love Texas but I'm not the stereotype that Bill implied in the joke. I was making a joke of his joke and it failed. Ta Dum. The End. I'm sorry. I'll stick to just reading and commenting on postings.
Now, Back to the music-
Thanks for the info about Phoebe Snow/Steely Dan. I'll just wait maybe thay will release it later. Peace.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 20:07:36 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Still at the Beach

BTW, El Sup

In my experience AA, BB, etc are usually before A, B, etc. Typically there are only a few double lettered rows. (AA-DD at the Beacon.)

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 20:05:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

El Sup,

According to the seating chart, you are in the SECOND row, my friend:

And bullgoose, thanks for the heads up. I was, of course, addressing Mr. Winterbottom. My bad.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 19:45:19 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

My wife bought me tickets for the 1st three Beacon shows - different sections for each one. I'm not familiar with how the Beacon does their seating. I'm in orchestra 2 row BB. Is it the standard A - Z then starts over with AA-ZZ? I looked at the chart and it looks like the AA rows are first which doesn't make any sense to me. Any help on the tickets location in layman's terms (i.e. you are 28 rows from the stage (which is what I'm guessing))?

Can't wait to see everyone again,


Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 19:37:19 ET
Posted by: The bullgoose, Sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Hey The Dean
Thanks for the guitar mix information. I shall file it away. I suspect that, once those four tonics have worn off, you might discover you were addressing someone other than me. But that's ok; I do that sort of thing all the time, and I don't drink. It is, after all, a great way to meet people.
Bullgoose's self-appointed Life Coach is dirty on the organisers of the Brisbane winery SD show for allowing children under 10 in free while charging A$160 (That's $1950.75 US) for seats. She is unwilling to watch the show while surrounded by prattling Gen Zedders reeking of popcorn and lollipop, so it's the fancy seats up front for us.

Dan Fan, when trends become clear, when plans firm up, when tickets are in the bag, when we get the lay of the land, what say we talk on a modest Dan Fest for Briswages?

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:49:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Aw c'mon Klaus, lighten up.
I mean really. And like I
told you the other day, I'm
a big boy daddy and I don't
need anyone to stick up for me.

Did you even read Cloudy 357's
post Klaus?

Someone new comes on here for
the first time and starts her
post with "F*CK BILL MAHER"
and you think some of us don't
take offense, not to mention
we may actually want to know
what the "joke" was.

Not to mention if you think that
all of those jokes were "political"
then that explains a lot. Not all
humor you may not agree with is
"political" Klaus.

Are you familiar with Will Rogers?

I say America needs another one.
Especially in these troubled times.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:44:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Looking Forward to Drinkiing Heavily at the Manatee Bar


"Love vs. Hate - all great art inspires a reaction..." Truer words...

I'm a firm believer that few things that are outstanding (music, art, food, etc) have universal appeal. In order to appeal to the masses ("the unlettered and the unwashed" as a buddy of mine says...tongue in cheek) you usually have to be fairly bland.

I can certainly understand that The Dan won't be loved by all, but I still have issue with the "hate" part. There is plenty of high-quality stuff out there that simply doesn't appeal to me...but I don't HATE it. It simply isn't for me. I try to have a modicum of respect for stuff I don't like, if I think it is of high quality.

And though I'm not much of a hater, I have to agree that once you get it you open up a whole new area to enjoy. For me that is particularly true of food. I am a rather picky eater and there are many foods I don't like. I WANT to like least most of them. And, when it finally happens that I like something that has eluded me all these years, it is a real joy.

And bullgoose, IMO Jon has been mixed too low at most of the Dan shows I have seen. (And it is usually worse early in the show). I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen to Carlton.

OK, full disclosure. I had a very difficult day (work, nothing personal) and I have now had four very large Tanqueray and tonics in the time it took me to type this post on my very small netbook keyboard. Keep that in mind when you find the typos, grammatical errors, non-sequiturs etc.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:32:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Cmon Ray/ I stuck up for you the other day but now you are starting with the political jokes?I thought Hoops said enough already. Why in the hell cant we stick to the board subject STEELY DAN!! I have had enough I will check back after the tour kicks off.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:08:57 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Yep, much to my surprise, Aja and Gaucho night were the best nights at the Gibson. My hopes for Royal Scam night were just dashed on the rocks. Kid C and DTMA just lose their luster, when they are song 1 and 3 in the setlist. It was a harsh lesson.

Lurker Ray Says:
"Also by the end of the night they usually
have a good bead on Jon and his rig and
he usually really gets that intro into
"DTMA" just wailing and because it was
only the 3rd song it also was just lackluster.
Weird as it was, the crowd was just not that
into it.

Nothing like the "Aja" & "Gaucho" nights."

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 16:46:38 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Thanks for checking in on "Royal Scam" night Gus. Totally agree.
Especially about "Gaucho" night. Looking forward to it again in
NYC. Are you & the Mrs. going to any NYC shows?


Problem is - Steely Dan have never done a 27 song night ;O)
They came close in Boston on July 22, 2009 when they played "Aja"
& "Royal Scam" back to back. With opening & closing numbers and
encores, they put up a whopping 24 tunes. What a night!
They used to do 22 songs over two sets quite regularly, but that
pretty much ended after 2003 and if you notice they now sadly use
an opening act often to fill time. The last two set shows were at
Soboba & San Diego in 2006.

Cloudy 357,

Phoebe sang "Dirty Work" twice live with Donald to the best of my knowledge. The first time was at Woodstock, NY on Feb. 2, 2007 & later with Steely Dan at the Beacon on the last night of a 3 night stand on June 13, 2007. And sadly, no, neither of these two takes have been released. Anything you find would be a bootleg.

What was the Bill Maher Joke? Please share!

Here are a few of my recent favorites:

"They say the Navy Seals had attack dogs with titanium fangs; that they replaced their real teeth with titanium. You know you have a badass black president when even his dogs have a grill."

-Bill Maher

"Glenn Beck retired or got fired...and a lot of people are asking who will now speak for the raving lunatics who startle you outside of a parking garage?"

-Bill Maher

"They said the radioactive plume came here today. Just be happy that something traveled 5,000 miles across the Pacific and for once it wasn't your job."

-Bill Maher

"Sarah Palin finally heard what happened in Japan, and she's demanding that we invade tsuanmi. She said these tsunamians will not get away with this."

-Bill Maher

In honor of Tina Fey's 41st Birthday:

"A new poll shows that 66% of Americans think President Bush is doing a poor job on the War in Iraq. And the remaining 34% think Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church."

�Tina Fey, on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 15:24:08 ET
Posted by: Anon-Hamburg, home

Oops, missed out the obvious Y:
Your Gold Teeth

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 15:11:12 ET
Posted by: Anon-Hamburg, home

Seeing as they're into these new set list generating ideas, how about this one:


It may run something like this:
(Some kinda Intro tune)
Bad Sneakers
Cousin Dupree
Do It Again
Everything Must Go
Green Earrings
Hey 19
I Got the News
Lunch With Gina
My Rival
Night by Night
On the Dunes
Pearl of the Quarter (Can't think of an out-right Q)
Razor Boy
Sign in Stranger
Third World Man
Upside Looking Down
Negative Girl
With a Gun
Maxine (Again, no X)
(And no Z)

Encore may invariably be Kid C and My Old School.

Maybe, baby...

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 13:53:09 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Ray, FWIW:

Thinking about Royal Scam night at the Gibson, I can't disagree with you. During the Bluebook discussion following that show, I didn't really have much memory one way or the other of Larry's work on Kid C that night. That in itself might prove your point, although there were some distractions around me at the time. And listening to Kid C again on Internet Request night, I agree that Larry nailed that performance. Back to Royal Scam Night, Larry contributed to a standout rendition of Haitian Divorce, and later also excelled on Third World Man. I remember posting at the time that Larry sounded even better than had Jon two nights earlier at the Gaucho show (although this is borderline nitpicking between two excellent performances). Thinking about it later, it occurred to me that Larry could have been a little bit higher in the mix than Jon had been. I might have incorrectly interpreted "louder" as "better".

I also agree that the crowd was not as enthusiastic as at the Aja or Gaucho nights. I am not sure why, but one factor might have been the day of the week (Monday). This is obviously not an absolute rule, but I have observed this at a couple of other Monday shows by other groups over the years.

As for the sound mix being a factor, you may well be correct, but didn't they already have two nights to get everything optimized at the Gibson? I don't think I have the setlists, but I am pretty sure we got Kid C on both Aja and Gaucho nights. I am no expert and am just speculating, but shouldn't the bugs have been ironed out by Royal Scam night?

The above discussion aside, I agree with The Dean: For subjective reasons I won't go into here, I felt at the time that if I had only one Album Night to choose from I would have picked Royal Scam night. This was the main reason we went to the Masonic shows in SF during Leg II. Today, I would probably (of the three) opt for Gaucho.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 10:14:31 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Re: Love vs. Hate - all great art inspires a reaction...

For anyone to put engery into having an opinion either way means to me that the music strikes a chord...

So yeah, the music moves you...either way...

(and if you're a Hater, once you actually GET IT [assuming you do], then your musical journey will simply blossom...)


Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 06:23:53 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Ahoy there, Hutch, The Dean and Dan Fan
I must say that for a while there I suspected Steve Winwood had been prescribed by Donald's
health insurance provider as a pinch singer in case Don's larynx chucked a wobbly, but apparently that's not the case. I'm sure he'll be good fun: Since arriving fully formed as a funky cat at 15 he's certainly put a lot of good runs on the board.

The last Brisbane DanFest ran to six people, Dan Fan, but it's the quality that counts.

Keith Carlock will be drumming on Smokin' Joe Robinson's new CD. Take it from Bullgoose: that's a bona fide leak.

Those aware of the dangentiality of The Flecktones will be chuffed to hear that their latest CD, Rocket Science, is sublime, sublime I tell you. I'm off to the bunk for another listen right now.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 04:33:51 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas. By the way, **CK you Bill Maher about that Bin Laden/Texas joke.

I heard/saw Phoebe Snow on YouTube singing "Dirty Work" at a (2007?) Beacon theatre concert. The footage has these bald guys grooving to the music and pissing the people off behind them. Does anyone know if that was ever released on CD. I almost brought an album on eBay from a Greek seller thats around that date but he didn't provide a playlist and the item was a bit pricey. I just loved her voice coupled with the Steely Dan treatment. I feel a buzz everytime I listen to it. Appreciate any help in finding it if it exist.
This woman spent the evening sitting naked drumming to SD music while the family was out. I have a Yamaha DD65.Don't laugh, it has a nice sound when I plug it up to my bass amp O.K.? I love trying to play "Peg" and "FM". I'm not going there with "Aja. Better than therapy even though I think I scared the peeping tom off.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 02:53:19 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I've been saying for years that
this is the way to do a Steely Dan
show. I would work perfectly this
summer and really help the fans that
can't go to NYC. It's perfect,
because they still have "go-to-songs"
and can still have a set bunch of
songs up top. This is what went down
in LA last Wednesday night at the Wiltern.
Brought back so many memories of the same
show back in the late 80's with the exact
same Go-Go dancing in the onstage cages
like at the Riviera in Chicago:


Right?! We all thought the same thing,
especially Angel. Perhaps Angel & Gus
can chime in also. And remember this
was also with Larry Carlton on stage!
Looking back I also think that it is
a sound man's nightmare. Because it takes
a while to tweek the sound in a space
and they were expected to have the blazing
sound of "KC" all set the first song out
of the box and it just didn't happen.
And the sound wasn't there or the same energy
from Larry Carlton. When he played the same
solo at the bottom of the setlist at a later
show, he was wailing.

Also by the end of the night they usually
have a good bead on Jon and his rig and
he usually really gets that intro into
"DTMA" just wailing and because it was
only the 3rd song it also was just lackluster.
Weird as it was, the crowd was just not that
into it.

Nothing like the "Aja" & "Gaucho" nights.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 20:32:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


It's interesting you should say that about Royal Scam. While I would have loved to see all the album nights from the last tour, Scam was the one I was most looking forward too. Alas, I had to settle for one of the, in your words "chum bucket" shows. :#) I was quite pleased with it, BTW.

I'm a bit surprised to hear your take on the show because, IMO, the Scam has some of the best live songs in their collection, IMO. And the song order is perfection on the album. I understand that the order may not work as well as live as the recorded version, though. And I'm certainly not challenging your experience as you saw the show and I did not. Still, it is the full album show I most want to hear.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 17:54:46 ET
Posted by: Lurker RAY-ee, Malibu

Rei from Norway,

Congratulations. I'm sure that I speak for most of us here when I
tell you how envious we are that you are going to be able to travel all the way from Norway, spend over ten days in a NYC hotel and
see ALL seven shows. The cost for lodging and airfare alone most be momentous, not to mention securing tickets for all seven shows. We hope that you will be bringing your laptop and report in for us! Perhap you would like to invest in some audio recording equipment before coming over ;O) Ticketmaster did not go down here in the States on Sunday from what I could see.

I'm curious, I wonder how many Americans here that don't live in the
general NYC or adjacent East coast area will be going to all seven shows. Is anyone here going to all seven NYC shows?

I'm actually really surprised that they are reprising "Royal Scam" Night. For me personally it did not work in 2009. Starting with "Kid Charlemagne" just didn't work for me or the audience that night. The night felt very scattered. The running order of that LP didn't seem to lend itself to a performance live. What was your take in 2009?

As far as Pete Fogel & the Bitter End go, if I were a betting man, which I am, you can count on Pete throwing one hell of a party sometime during that week in NYC. Safe travels.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 17:27:44 ET
Posted by: Augusta, Washington, D.C. USA

New to this website. . . I first heard Steely Dan in 1972, when I was a junior in high school. I remember recording their music from the radio on my reel-to-reel tape recorder and then listening to it endlessly through large, but impeccable headphones. There is something about the music that I can not express. . . it just gets to me every time.

Thanks for this forum. I would like to expand my musical horizons by listening to the music and D & W currently listen to. Does anyone have any information on what D & W currently listen to?

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 16:16:00 ET
Posted by: Biff, N

I discovered SD in the 80's as a teen, listening to classic rock radio. I thought they were a little too pop oriented to be true classic rock stalwarts. But I noticed that many of the DJ's expressed an appreciation that SD was something above and beyond the run of the mill. Not sure what the perception would be to someone that was introduced to them from a jazz point of view.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:36:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading to the Manatee Bar


So outrageous!

Those things can be trouble...or so I hear. :#)

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:28:48 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Or, Dean, perhaps the Haters may have had a rather unfortunate incident with the device itself. Just guessing.


Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:22:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

You make some good points.

When people say SD is "elevator music", I typically respond, "So is Mozart." Also I think any elevator playing Steely Dan is a damn fine elevator. If they took time to listen to the lyrics they might start laughing out loud at what is playing in that elevator or supermarket.

And it's true, when actually confronted with SD music, many people who claim to hate Steely Dan say, "I love that song. This is Steely Dan?" It seems some can hate Steely Dan while actually liking their music. Go figure.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 14:42:02 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

I have a friend who when he first heard Aja, he though it was elevator music... although now he realizes that it's one of the greatest pieces of music ever created.

I had another friend who hated the band, but I made him a mix just to try. He came by my house the next day to download every single Dan song I have.

It's hard not to love them, but I may be slightly bias.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 13:58:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

For a long time it was cool to hate Steely Dan. I have a few different ideas of why people took to Dan hating:

I have heard some people complain about Donald's "whining" voice. There's not much you can do about that sort of thing. It can be tough to get past a voice that simply annoys you. I feel the same way about other artists. Personally, I find Don's voice extremely enjoyable. Actually, I find his singing spectacular and his voice appealing. It is perfect for SD's music.

Many critics and fans said they were "too smooth", "too perfect". they were considered sterile and bland. I think they got pigeon-holed into the anti smooth jazz and/or neo-disco movement. Because Steely Dan has some of the sound of those genres, many didn't notice what was very different about The Dan.

Many fans of Punk and rawer forms of Rock didn't like the production values and perfection of Steely Dan. I think had they spent a bit of time with the lyrics and actually given the music the time necessary to appreciate the nuances, some may have had a different view. The Dan is as dark as it gets and one of modern music's more subversive bands, IMO. But many don't want to THINK about music or do any work to understand it. They need immediate gratification.

Some Jazz fans rejected the Dan because they saw it as part of the crapification of pure Jazz. Nat King Cole had the same problems, I believe. Even Miles took a bunch of heat when he went electric.

What some don't get is, Steely Dan should be viewed as artists like Duke Ellington, Cole Porter and perhaps Burt Bacharach. A mixture of genres, making sophisticated "pop" that is not instantly irrelevant or dated. If you judge them by pure Rock or Jazz standards, you are missing the point and likely to be disappointed.

I also think we freakish Dan fans might be at fault to some extent. I know some people have complained about hearing All Dan All The Time. "Really? Steely Dan AGAIN?" Hey, what can I say?

On the positive side, I think Dan hate is subsiding a bit. I know people who say they hated the Dan, but now can appreciate their sound. Also, in some small way, the samples used by hip-hop artists have made them a bit legit for that audience.

Finally, I know very few skilled musicians who don't like Steely Dan. Even if it isn't their cup o tea, most are respectful of their obvious skills as song writers.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 12:43:38 ET
Posted by: Ports, Minneapolis

Donald's voice is the best thing about hte "Dan"

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 11:09:53 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

TallPaul - I'm curious. Why do so many of your friends hate Steely Dan? Have they given you any reasons. I have known a couple of people who've told me that they like the music alright but can't get past Donald's voice.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 10:40:18 ET

I would much rather have Lurker Ray stirring up the shit and
get responses then checking in and seeing nothing!!! i look
back at 2006,2007,2008 as the glory days of this site with
50 posts any given day!!! now were lucky to get 3 a day!!
i know i need to get a life but i love looking back at the old
posts arguments and all!!! the only thing i dont miss is
brain strainer, hopefully he had an anurism!!!relax jus kidding!!
see everyone at the Tower shows!!

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 09:52:15 ET
Posted by: TallPaul,

I have plenty of friends and family and many co-workers who hate Steely Dan. I came here to lose them and be happy about Steely Dan wit those of my kind.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 09:33:28 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Thank you "Hutch" for your kind words. Take care.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 06:22:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Krager�


Bless you, my fellow norwegian diehard danfan!

I wish there was any chance I could keep you company on your trip to NYC/the Beacon, but it's not, I'm afraid.

However, it's nice to read that someone will actually represent my country at all the Magnificent Seven SD Concerts! (Heldiggrisen/flink Gutt! ;D)

Hope you'll have the time of your life, Rei!

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 03:26:41 ET
Posted by: Rei from Norway,

The first part of ordering tickes are done, Dawn of the Dan, Rarities and The Royal Scam before the Ticketmaster webside went down for maintenence.
I will be ordering tickets for the last four concerts later.
I have also booked a hotel for the period of concerts and as I am one of those who thinks I only live once I just had to do this.
I was at the six concerts in NYC in 2008 and will go one better this time.
I remember that 2008 there was a Dan fest at The Bitter End, does anybody know if this is going to be reapeted? Are there any other places Dan fans meet before or after concerts.
It would have been really enjoyable to get together with other Dan fans in NYC.
Hope to meet you all at the Beacon:-)

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 00:29:27 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey


Lurker_Ray is as big if not bigger Dan fan as the rest of us, can't we just let him express his opinions?, for God's sake this is a free country the last time I checked

Have a good tour everyone, I will be at the Waterford in Philly before both shows if anyone wants to say Hello

Checking out for now, which I am sure makes everyone happy

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 00:13:56 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Hi everyone,

Lets try to deal with the tour without bickering and just for the heck of it leave out the ticket prices in NYC

We all agree that we love the Dan and their music

We all agree that any tour is much appreciated after all the early empty years of no tours at all

We all will go to as many shows as we can afford or travel to

Walter and Dan appreciate all of the loyal fans, I would like to think

That leaves me with one question, if the shows in NYC are going to be "Legendary" which I believe they will be, why the heck can't they share the "Legendary" stuff with the rest of the country?

Can anyone answer that?

(I have my own opinion but would like to hear everyone else's)

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 23:34:07 ET
Posted by: ,

Jim Beard all year! Woo-hoo! This should be a great tour!

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 20:24:19 ET
Posted by: Take Me Home, Country Rhodes


Aug 09 Charleston, WV Clay Center

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 19:57:26 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Wrong side of the pond


I hope the aliens judge us by the fact that we have internet at all, not by the way we use it, God forbid.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 19:26:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Kurt, Anroldsville

Now it all makes sense, Lurker Ray is a angry Leftie.
Spoils the party for everyone and feels superior.
He doesn't get that he is the only one that stinks up this board and makes regular posters turn away in disgust. How pathetic and creepy to cozy up to the boss after pissing fans and him off for so long. Then he rants at people posting anon, like he has his name, address, phone and picture published here. Assumes we are all sitting in dark basements, frustrated. Watch him get pissy again in about 40 minutes...

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 18:07:49 ET
Posted by: Who's_to_blame?, UK

Long time lurk...First time post...
I can confirm that the NZ wine 'Steely Dan' is still produced and tastes as good as wine with the Dan name gracing the label should do. 2 bottles made it back from a recent business trip to Melbourne, mysteriously, 1 is now empty.

Also just got my tickets for the Beacon rarities show. Would love to do 21C and Dawn of but time and 1000's of miles of ocean get in the way.

I just get the feeling that this could be the last tour and there are too many unreleased SD tracks on my bucket list to pass up the chance of catching even just one shiny nugget that would stand out in my memory for ever. I have had so much pleasure from the standard set-lists we've heard over the years but this could be so special...

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:48:23 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Hey, Bullgoose - would love to catch-up if you attend the Sirromet Winery Show at Mt Cotton. Does anyone organise DanFests in Oz prior to shows? Don't remember one from their 2007 show in Brisbane but then I was so in awe it almost seemed like a surreal experience any way.

Personally, I think Steve Winwood will be a great fit and could easily imagine him joining SD on stage for a few numbers. As far as I know, they're still making the Steely Dan Sauvignon Blanc in NZ and it is a top drop! However, I don't believe they're playing at that very boutique winery.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:39:41 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Tommytomato - What a refreshing post! Welcome to our group. Yes things get testy from time to time... I've never really understood why but it happens. Just like Newt sometimes things come out of one's mouth that they may regret later.

Love your handle by the way.


Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 16:51:06 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I am new to this sight and I want to say thanks to all who make it happen. I can't imagine what it takes to keep it going. However I must admit there is more whining and negativity than I would have expected. I've been a big Dan fan since CBAT and I have only seen the band 7 times (8 - 11) will be this tour. I saw the Grateful Dead 60 times between 1980-'95 in addition to their solo bands and related. To me, going out to see the Dan is my last great adventure in music. I spent well over 5 figures to see the Dead during those 15 years but only a handful of those shows were memorable and left many times disappointed. Yes, respectively Steely Dan tix are considerably more HOWEVER I have never been disappointed by D & W. Every show so far has been memorable. Be careful what you wish for...
So thanks to Hoops (I want to meet you). Safe traveling to all attending shows...enjoy every second of every might be your (their) last one. I am a Danfest virgin and am looking forward to attending one. I'm not sure how to go about it so anyone reading this...if you're headed to Toledo, Cincy, or NYC I would love to hang with some "Danheads". Peace to all.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 16:50:58 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I am new to this sight and I want to say thanks to all who make it happen. I can't imagine what it takes to keep it going. However I must admit there is more whining and negativity than I would have expected. I've been a big Dan fan since CBAT and I have only seen the band 7 times (8 - 11) will be this tour. I saw the Grateful Dead 60 times between 1980-'95 in addition to their solo bands and related. To me, going out to see the Dan is my last great adventure in music. I spent well over 5 figures to see the Dead during those 15 years but only a handful of those shows were memorable and left many times disappointed. Yes, respectively Steely Dan tix are considerably more HOWEVER I have never been disappointed by D & W. Every show so far has been memorable. Be careful what you wish for...
So thanks to Hoops (I want to meet you). Safe traveling to all attending shows...enjoy every second of every might be your (their) last one. I am a Danfest virgin and am looking forward to attending one. I'm not sure how to go about it so anyone reading this...if you're headed to Toledo, Cincy, or NYC I would love to hang with some "Danheads". Peace to all.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 14:43:41 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Lurker Ray: Danfiend and I rocked out at Roseland in 2003. I saw her comment, but figured I should have put a smiley face at the end or something.
I am good, but thanks for defending me.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 13:21:57 ET
Posted by: E, Crate

I'm not really a Winwood fan, but would be curious to hear him take lead on an SD song. I could see him doing (rather fittingly) Show Biz Kids.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 10:52:10 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

So, how will Steve Winwood fit in with Steely Dan? What does everyone think?

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 09:22:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Hutch, I was thinking the same thing about "Cock-a-hoop". I don't know what it means...and I'm not sure I want to know. (Just kidding bullgoose)

Glad to see the bullgoose finally check in after the great news for Down Under. I am looking forward to your post show (shows?) report.

Do they still make Steely Dan Sauvignon Blanc in NZ? I don't believe the winery that produces SD is host to any of the concerts, but maybe a bottle or two will show up among the attendees.

Also, I was glad to see the bullgoose point out it was Hoops who correctly announced this year's tour would go through November. I'm not quite sure why someone other than maybe Pete Fogel would question Hoops when he lets us in on a bit of "speculation". Arrogance I guess.

Sounds like it is going to be a great summer for Dan fans.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 08:11:14 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

"Cock-a-hoop". Now why don't we have expressions like that over here??

Bullgoose - Hope you have a great time at the show!

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 06:33:34 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Bullgoose here, and aren't I cock-a-hoop about news of the Second Coming in Australia?
Hoops' observation has been borne out in that the succulent leak of six months ago, intimating as it did that SD would tour the real southland with Steve Winwood in tow, was in fact accurate and the genuine article. It was probably leaked by someone in the know, and I'd hate to see them scared off by posts rattled off on a spittle-flecked keyboard. A little drool is acceptable, as we're all enthusiasts; some bravado; a tad of tail twisting: some tart ripostes, but coarse and vulgar bitchin' is as entertaining to me as the sight of, say, a senior citizen in the stocks.

Aussie Corner
Hey DanFan, might see you up at the winery in Brisbane. We're still to organise tickets-you were quick off the mark. With the exchange rate the way it is, It'd almost be cheaper to fly to the US to see the Dan. I was playing at the Thredbo Jazz, Funk and Groove Festival a few weeks back and heard Doug Parkinson and band doing a couple of SD songs. Bass player, Mark Costa, was playing with The Bodacious Cowboys recently, so he had it all down.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 22:22:40 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Jesus, Pass The Bottle Mama


My mother was president of the local teacher's union. I remember her coming home with hives all over her body because of the stress of working all day and then going to negotiate a new contract after a long day. For a decent living wage, for a fair deal.

You are broke, because of this nasty economy and the union persecution among other things and you are the exact same reason I am so angry. I NEVER said anything about never liking SD anymore!, but yes I think the way this tour & NYC have been handled have been ponderous to say the least. Like mike_the_wu said, all we look for is some sort of "semblance of logic" from Walter & Donald, especially in this terrible economy that now rivals the 1930's. I saw a movie on Roseland the other night and how the dime a dance dancer worked for their wage while the Park Avenue elite would come in and buy an entire roll of tickets. Like Yogi said, "It's Deja Vu all over again". You had your picture taken with D&W, been to a zillion shows, does this REALLY feel like the Donald & Walter that you know? I am sorry but yes, I think it' scummy, especially after they named a tour "Rent Party". It goes against all logic and seems like a money grab. And I am sorry that it bummed you out, but then again my Mom is a union rebel rouser. I'm bummede what has happened between the union of Steely Dan and Fan.

As for Toya/Danfiend, What?, she can run with the big boys and pile on Lurker Ray and not be willing to get some sort of retaliation? Not to mention she was totally rude to Miss Angel.

Humility, exactly.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 22:09:55 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Where I'll be in October!

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 20:03:11 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Really looking forward to 2011 tour. Looks like 4 shows this time around. Cincy, Toledo and 2 in NYC (request & 21st century). We should all be thankful that our favorite band is back at it this year. No band can be eveybody's everything so...go see them where you can.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 18:34:24 ET
Posted by: SF DanFan, On the outside looking in

Unfortunately there are currently no tix for the 7/5 show in Saratoga, CA. Will try over the next month.

The next best is the Greek Theater in LA's Griffith Park. Saw Sanatana there a few years back and liked the venue. Unfortunatley I already have tix for 7/9 at Yoshi's SF to see Parlimanet/Funkadelic during George Clinton's weeklong residency there and at Yoshi's Oakland venue. He's turning 70 y/o that week so it should be great.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:36:21 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, O-town

Dean, as a fellow Floridian I was dismayed to see no Florida show this tour, at all. They always sell out Ruth Eckerd in Clearwater and had a decent crowd a couple years back here at a somewhat larger venue in Orlando (Bob Carr).

So, I've got tix to go see them in August up in Durham. Got a brother associated with UNC.

Anyone ever been to DPAC? Looks nice on the brochure, but they always do.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:22:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

Contrary to popular belief, apparently you CAN buy a thrill.

As I noted there are several factors (money being one of the big ones at the moment) keeping me from the NYC shows. But I'm considering moving a few things around (other previously scheduled commitments) and scraping the cash together to hit a show or two in the Apple. Actually, by September my cash situation should be much better, so I may just wait for last minute tickets.

As it is, right now there are no really good places for me to see a show. None of the dates fit with my other scheduled travel. Atlanta seems to be the only option. Obviously I'd much prefer to be at the Beacon for Rarities, Dawn, 21st Century and/or Royal Scam. Hell I'd be happy to be at any of them, but those intrigue me the most.

Otherwise, I think I may go to Boston and Wang to speak.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:17:16 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, up north

Lurker Ray

I see your point about prices. Also, I realize after re-reading my post that I did not express my thoughts correctly. This year I personally consider the SS to be Dawn, Rarities, and 21st Century. The album & request gigs are old news. Been there, done that. I believe the pricing is based on supply & demand. Same reason it costs $200 to see a hockey game in Toronto or Montreal and only $30 in many US cities. I also believe (and hope I'm wrong) that they will not do these sets anywhere else. Thus they will become "legendary". I'd love to see one of them in Boston as much as anybody, but I'm not holding my breath. Having said all this, I am still looking forward to our "regular" concert because every SD show is special in it's own way. Just not SuperSpecial I guess.


Thanks for the info on tickets. I will definitely keep an eye on TM for late releases. I have used online brokers in the past with mixed price results. A couple of times I scored tickets for about 10% over face. Other times the best price I could find from brokers was at least double or more, than face. I paid big once for U2 and to my chagrin found scalpers outside selling equal seats for much less. I guess it comes down to the event popularity, the individual broker/scalper,and how big a sucker the buyer is :)


Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 11:28:50 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Just saw this, kinda interesting... the Dawn of the Dan show at the Beacon is labeled as "Steely Dan: Dawn of the Dan f/ "Can't Buy A Thrill" Plus Select Hits" on Ticketmaster.

So, Can't Buy a Thrill will be the big album of the night? Hmm...
Need. To. Go.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 10:57:02 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, center of the uNYverse

re: TO Fan
*Can anyone tell me if there are scalpers outside the Beacon? I want to know if I make a late decision to it better to buy online from a broker or outside from a scalper?*

Ticketmaster is famous, especially at the Beacon, especially for the Dan, in releasing seats at the last minute. I scored FRONT ROW AA seats for The Donald's last ("sold out") solo gig there about 10 minutes to 8pm (box office-no service fees!)and 5th row to the first ("sold out") request night, Rent Party tour, 2 days before (on-line + fees) that event. This is common throughout the concert world as those promotional, press, band members, record co. etc seats get let go at the last minute if not used/purchased. These are not cheap, but much less than $calper price$ in most cases. The Donald seat was $90- and the Dan ticket was (iirc) $130-. That's face value. The SD ticket was located one row behind the special platinum/meet & greet w/soundcheck thingy and they were 2 something per. One row behind them at nearly a hundred buck savings.
There are usually $calper$ at the Beacon starting hours prior to the event; as early as noon in cases. If you are sure you will attend, keep checking TM for seats. Even weeks prior, other less expensive seats get released as some purchases are cancelled for different reasons; usually a credit card snafu. My work schedule is erratic and I have been forced to both "eat" tickets (still have my unused "Gaucho" ducat) and rely on the last minute TM gamble. This last minute trick is not 100% foolproof as many shows never have remaining seats but, in addition to those 2 mentioned, I scored 3rd row pit seats at Radio City Music Hall for Roxy Music their last tour and 2nd row seats for David Gilmour his last time at RCMH just hours before the events. Anyway, try to avoid brokers/scalpers where possible. Good luck & enjoy.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 05:02:28 ET
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Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 02:42:47 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

My 2 Cents

You figured it out, I never thought of that, darn I am stupid. They know Philly sells out for any kind of Dan show so why give a preview, oh well, maybe next year (Just my luck we are the shows before the Beacon, story of my life)

I am an optimist, they will tour again and reward the loyal Philly fans

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 01:43:56 ET
Posted by: My 2 Cents, Hell... let's make it 3

For those of you not paying attention, that's why there's no SS nights in Philly.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 01:34:17 ET
Posted by: My 2 Sense, for whateva its woith

Philly might actually get the best shows of all. Will the Dan actually wait till the last minute to run through their NY shows? Nope.... Philly might be the "Great Sound Check for NY" I'd buy brotherly luv tixs if I were you.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:54:49 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

My apologies Hoops, I was just making a widdle joke. Didn't mean to fan the flames of this... controversy.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:41:56 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Young Wu

Like someone said in a previous post, if you try to figure out the reasoning of anything Walter and Donald do, including venue selection, its a lost cause. It is another similarity to the Grateful Dead who chose to play large, small, strange and various venues with no rhyme or reason. (Again not comparing the 2 bands music). In the Philly area the Dan have played the Spectrum, the Tower, Borgata Event Center, and the Susquehanna/Tweeter center. A few years ago if my memory is not completely gone they did the Borgata one night and the Susquehanna the next night. The Borgata was sold out and the Susquehanna had about 3000 people there and it holds about 15,000. Now again that was a tour where both nights had duplicate setlists and the Borgata holds about 4,000, not sure if either had anything to do with it (I doubt they will play there again). They have settled in now in this area the last few tours at the Borgata and Tower, I prefer the Tower myself but would go to any of the aforementioned places to see them. My only wish is that they keep touring and who knows maybe someday the shows will vary a little or a lot every night, one can only hope, later

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:21:28 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Young Wu: Part of my message was, please give it (the controversy) a rest. Please?!

Some need lessons in flying low and being cool.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:20:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Young Wu: Part of message was, please give it a rest. Please?!

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:05:25 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Who would think that Steely Dan touring this summer would piss certain people off. The best part of the whole thing is that the dude screaming the loudest is actually going to the god damn NY shows!!

So, Ray... either give me your tickets or stop complaining.

Anyway, on to other business, I have a question that some of wiser elders of the Blue might be able to answer. How does Steely Dan chose between amphitheaters and "normal" theaters? The one that really interests me is the Molson Amphitheater in Toronto. That's a huge summer spot for bands like Rush, Motley Crue, Tom Petty... bands that play to 10/15+ thousand a night. Steely Dan obviously doesn't care to do bigger shows, but why in Toronto (and a few selective others) do they make an exception? Especially with the wonderful Massey Hall 20 minutes away.

Another one is Canandaigua, NY. Why play a little place in the middle of nowhere when Buffalo, NY is an hour away... and home to the lovely Shea's Performing Arts Center? That's a fairly well known theater, and has a capacity similar to the theaters in Boston, Seattle, LA, and New York.

I just find the switch between big amphitheaters, smaller outdoor places, fairs, casinos, and theaters a little strange. And the zoo in Toledo baffles me completely.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 22:19:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

I run other forums that are more advanced and all, but we stick with this one designed circa 1992 because of the anonymity and lack of complex login sequences. That way people can (and have) left some really great anonymous tips and info that wouldn't get to us any other way, or at least it gets to us much earlier.

Now in truth, there is no such web page anywhere that is perfectly anonymous--even if you don't post. However, in the case of this page, you really have to piss me off before I will go to all the effort, expense and trouble to try and figure out who you are.

There are small minority of people who post and are rude and asshole-like. Such people have tiny balls in real life and they also have the long term effect of turning off anons with useful info for us. But more over, our heros are snarky but not assholes. These people confuse the two. On top of that, more often than not, I agree with the opinion itself of the assholes but feel compelled to support the other view simply to contest the attitude. Your attitude is very counter productive to supporting your case. I have no idea how you get through life.

But the blue can also be moderated. I've had to do so, most recently about three months ago. It really restricts the flow of information and you will miss stuff or see it a lot later then you otherwise would.

I've never known Lurker Ray to post as another--I really respect that, because some post as anons for no damn good reason except that they are wimps in real life--and Lurker Ray is a Steely Brother, although we've had minimal contact in person.

But Ray, I use the blue for enjoyment for some pleasurable distraction. Your posts of the past week are really getting to me to the point I don't even like to look here-- at my own board. I have to stay away from board and your posts so I can actually enjoy Steely Dan. You are fucking depressing me. So here's the deal, I'll give you my phone number and you can tell me all this negative stuff in person to me. I think people write with a detached sense that they are actually writing to real humans. I'm broke, Ray, and you pretty much have talked me out of going to any NYC shows for now and I think I should pull plug here to save money since clearly people like you think we're fools for liking SD anymore.

Regarding the nasty thread about the venue, consider that as far as I can tell, no one here has the inside scoop. I don't think the Dan have switched to Ravina because of overhead...but I'm not sure why they don't play the Chicago--it's open all month save for Aug 4. So I respectfully (and not as an asshole) disagree with Toya/Danfiend.

Really, though, have some humility. Look it up in a dictionary, it's not what you think.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 21:38:25 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near th etower

holy cow, the spam on here is more exciting than the discussions!

Danfiend and Lurker Ray, I know you both, and respect you both....Ray and I have had our disagreements over the years, but we worked it out and we get along, he's a cool dude...

Let's just be happy for the great selection of music we're going to be treated to this year. I don't think any of us ever expected a tour with this much variety.

ps, they SHOULD do a special show at the Tower, just because of all the $$$$$ I spend on all these license plates!! New ones this summer!!

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:53:18 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, One more thing

Why do said assclowns think that being a fan of Steely Dan makes them even remotely as intelligent or snarky? If you had a 10th of their intelligence you would have picked up on the subtle poking fun at myself in many of my posts. The music is the ONLY thing I take seriously. I post on this forum as an outlet--for fun. But when I get called a pedophile, shit gets serious quickly . . . but not serious enough to waste anymore of my time here. Take your passive-aggressive anonymous posting pseudo-intellectual maniacal clown ass someplace else. I have much more productive uses for my time, like watching cartoons. Peace out.

DanFiend for life

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:13:25 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Do you really have such a big head
that you think that I am the only
one here today that thinks that you
are an idiot?

There is ONLY one Lurker Ray,
I post under my name, except no

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:01:24 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Done!

Assclowns like Lurker Ray and his various pseudonyms is why I stopped posting on this forum years ago. You've taken something that was nothing more than a passing thought and made it out to be something that it isn't. I'm laughing at all of your ridiculous assumptions. Who said I actively watch the cartoon? I don't! Who even said I was even a man? I'm not. I just want to celebrate the music, not argue over every little thing. I do not blame D&W for not coming here. I'm done too.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:48:20 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, @Anon E. Mouses

Man, the Anons on here are brutal! And really, I can't understand why these people cower behind their anonymity just so they can spill their venom on decent people like Danfiend and Lurker Ray.

Most people on the Bluebook (and the rest of the world too) actually have individual opinions and thus can't see eye to eye about many things; is it so condemnable just to be a typical human?

And it might be that I'm just sixteen but the DW in "Arthur" is the only character in the pop culture of the last twenty years that I'm aware of that has that name. Granted, it was a childhood favorite of mine so of course I would remember something like that.

And lastly, I'd just like to say that--even though I'm not the moderator or the sheriff or anything of this guestbook (Leave that to Mr. Hoops)--the Bluebook's main purpose is not for people to shoot barbs at each other. Come on, I thought we were all here to discuss the finer points of the greatest band in this particular universe and most likely all the others in vastness of space! :D

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:42:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


You must be a total idiot. The Beacon
is under the same corporate umbrella
as "D&W's" Management! That's why they
do an extended residency there!

Ravinia is a vast open space that will
include costly hiring of Highland Park
Police Officers to work overtime for any
event, parking attendants, train attendants,
numerous eatery staff, numerous beverage
retailer staff, local neighborhood security
people etc, etc, etc.

The Beacon can be rented out for your next
private function! For a few thousand dollars.
There is even a link on their site if you are

Go back to watching your cartoons please.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:30:30 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Summa Cum Laude

If I knew I was supposed to write a dissertation to submit for a grade, I would have posted an exhaustive list of every factor that goes into ticket prices, Lurker Ray, I mean US Treasury. In fact, all of the above are factored into the prices, as well as a few more. That wasn't even my point, and you know it. I was simply illustrating why a concert in NYC would cost more in another state without stating the obvious.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:26:25 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey


I am confused, do they charge Donald and Walter more then they charge Crosby Stills and Nash for the Beacon, I bought 2 orchestra tickets for CSN on 8/30 at the Beacon for 100 bucks each. Again before I start a war, I realize they are 2 different groups, but I never realized venues charged different rates for different groups, but judging from the posts I seem to know nothing, not the first time I have been told that, so I can deal with that

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:19:11 ET
Posted by: But D.W. is such an unusual name for a character,

D.W. Griffith

D.W. Fearn

DW Drums

D.W. Morgan

D.W. Frydendall

So yeah, I's say you were REALLY reaching and probably even running a delirious fever. And come to think of it, WHY would a grown ass man
without kids be watching a PBS children's cartoon geared towards developmental age children?????....creepy.....very creepy....And people still wonder why "D&W" don't ever stop by here.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:17:18 ET
Posted by: US Treasury, Ceiling


You just failed Econ 101. Supply & demand determine ticket prices.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:04:44 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Tired and Sleepy

Have you all considered the overhead costs associated with throwing a concert? The price of renting a venue like The Beacon in NYC would cost a hell of a lot more than it would to rent Ravinia in Highland Park, IL. Said overhead costs are then passed on to us by way of ticket prices. That said, we are all paying to rent the venue, pay all the various personnel and any other expenses. The balance, of course, then gets split between the record company and our D&W who makes a be-yoo-ti-ful profit. It's Econ 101. It's Show Business and "Show" only comprises 5%.


Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 17:33:03 ET
Posted by: Almost, Gothic

I guess we won't be seeing a new DF cd this year.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 17:04:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Beast w/o A Name,

Thanks, yeah I posted that Name The Tour List the last time Winwood was supposed to tour with SD down under until it fell apart.


Why are you bagging on mike_the _wu just because he isn't going to be
able to put himself in debt like you are? Pretty douchey move.
And Mike is right something DOES stink in NYC this year and it's
not the inside of the Beacon. I mean really, don't you think it
smells pretty rotten when Steely Dan fans have to go into debt to
see shows? Especially in these horrific economic times, when not since the breadlines of 1930's have American families been hurting so badly across our country. And who is maxing out an American Express Card? I have to pay my Gold Card balance every month. Have you even bought tickets yet?

TO Danfan,

"About the Beacon shows. I can understand the high prices. They may never "do it again".

Huh???? You do realize that "Aja", "Popular Demand", "Royal Scam" &
"Gaucho" nights are ALL the same price as "Dawn", "Rarities" and "21st Century" nights right? And as far as never going to "Do it again", trust me you will see many of the same shows later in Boston & probably for sure some Special Nights down under. How in the hell
can you justify the greedy high prices when they are doing the same nights in many other cities and now countries for over a hundred dollars less?

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 16:37:24 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, @Angel

I know what her name stands for and that it's obviously not Donald Walter Read. But D.W. is such an unusual name for a character, I thought the initials must have some other significance. I could be totally reaching, but I could be dead on.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 15:22:08 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Danfiend: DW stands for Dora Winifred. I never even thought of Donald and Walter, in regard to her name. :-)

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 13:56:51 ET
Posted by: srch, fyi

Anika Moa will open the New Zealand dates.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 09:44:09 ET
Posted by: the usuual, redux

The Dandom Digest and the BlueBook trace their origins to

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 09:37:09 ET

WU from Jersey... beat you up for luvin the DEAD, r u kidding
to me it reinforces yor bona fidas!!!! IMHO it doesnt get
you rock WU

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 00:13:44 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Just bought Platinum tickets to the Steely Dan gig at Sirromet Winery here in Brisbane, Australia, on October 23. So stoked...they were here in 2007 and saw them at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre -not the best acoustics. Hoping an outdoor setting may improve the sound? Any way, four years between visits is too envious of you who live "up over" and can see SD almost anytime of the year!
This year I'll know what to expect - almost seemed like a surreal experience in 2007 and quite stunned with the show.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:48:11 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey


I am not bitter at all, sorry if I came off that way. I already ran my credit cards in to the ground, so I try not to use them. I am sincere when I say I am looking forward to the reviews from all of you who are going. I am still staring at the 73 dollar tickets in the upper balcony and might try a night or two. For the last time, I promise as I do not want to beat a dead horse, I go to a lot of concerts, many groups, I love music. These are the highest price concert tickets I have ever seen from any of the groups that I follow, and I am not cheap, I do go to about 30-35 concerts a year. Mccartney was the previous high in my memory around 250 plus charges, and I did spring for the cheap seats and attend. So you are right, I should stop whining and decide whether to get a few 73 buckers and go or just wait for the reviews. But bitter?, not at all, I will follow the Dan every year as long as they tour. Enjoy the shows and post some reviews for us, thanks

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:45:09 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi til Sept

My latest entry into the "If Donald Fagen jumped off a cliff, would you?" file: I recently made the oddest purchase: "Presenting Lothar and The Hand People" on LP. I somehow committed to memory a '70s interview where Donald said to Walter, "I'll trade you two Lothar and the Hand People records for one of those," to which he replied, "But there aren't two Lothar and the Hand People records." I didn't think much about it until I saw the recent video on the MSG site where D&W were asked if they felt their music was ahead of its time. Donald's reply was even though most '70s music wasn't funny, their band names were and mentioned LATHP as an example. I wasn't on eBay five seconds later looking for a copy. I should have thought twice, though, because I bought Undercover Brother and Pootie Tang--two movies I loathed, because I read that Donald liked them. I'll probably hate this record too, but the next time I hear Don likes something, I know I'll jump at it. I guess I'm kinda hopeless that way. A subconscious part of me feels that witnessing something Donald likes gives me a glimpse into that beautiful mind of his. That's better than accepting what is most likely the truth--that I'm just another Fagen-obsessed dork who would mindlessly yell Geronimo after him. I expect my new LP to arrive by the end of the week. I can't help but think my opinion of it depends on whether or not I've already jumped the cliff. We'll see which is true once I've heard it.


Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:25:15 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

Here's something I'd love to hear from the stage at our show.....

...."this next one's from our soon to be released new album (insert title)"

Something new. Wouldn't that be different.

I believe some (all?) of the shows have an opening act. Too bad it's not Steve Winwood here in North America. I've been into his stuff since he was wailin' as a 15 yr old genius with Spencer Davis.
When someone like Stevie is the opening act, do we get less SD numbers?

About the Beacon shows. I can understand the high prices. They may never "do it again". I think they have put it out there for the hard core fans to come and finally hear what they want. You may have to travel for it but that, with the prices, just may keep it somewhat hardcore. They, in particular DF, love New York and are very comfortable at the Beacon so that's why the shows are there.
The exclusivity makes the shows that much more "special". I'd be very surprised if there isn't some kind of DVD package from these concerts.

Can anyone tell me if there are scalpers outside the Beacon? I want to know if I make a late decision to it better to buy online from a broker or outside from a scalper?


Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:21:33 ET
Posted by: Pauly,

Mike_The_Wu -- maybe you can be Mike_the_bitter. Whatever, you just remember that most everyone who has tickets for the Beacon shows are "rich enough"---they just have their credit cards maxed out enough. AND THAT"S THE TRUTH! THHHHPPPBBBT!

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 21:36:58 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Well everyone, I wish I was rich like the people going to the Beacon. When I went out to look at the presale tickets and saw that tickets in the balcony were more expensive then my tickets in row 3 at the Tower Theater, I realized there might be no Beacon for me this year. I might cave in later this week and sit in the last row for 73 bucks.

I love Steely Dan, always have and always will but something stinks in NYC this year and its not the sewers. I am jealous of all you people who can afford 500 bucks a night to see the shows in good seats, but God Bless You, send us poor people the reviews and we will hope for a CD/DVD maybe to come out. 3500 bucks if my math is right to see all 7 shows and sit in the orchestra, wow

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:59:05 ET
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, Rarities Valley, NJ

I saw Traffic twice on their 1994 tour just 3 months before seeing Steely Dan in Irvine, CA.

This was a couple of years before we started seeing setlists posted immediately after shows.

I've seen Steve Winwood a number of times since then and every SD tour, except 2008.

It would be great if they shared the stage and sang lines from each other's songs, like Steve Winwood did on his reunion shows with Eric Clapton. I could see Steve singing Third World Man. Or Donald singing Empty Pages. Let's hope people bring their cameras to shows in NZ.

Planning on going to Rarities night - Sept 17th, the same date I caught in Irvine 1994. Hoping to see Pearl of the Quarter, Western World, Gold Teeth. Not holding my breath for Kulee Baba or Second Arrangement. It would be cool too see the group do a cover or two...

Nice work on those titles, Lurker Ray. I like the Shanghai Noodle reference, having yelled that out as a request at a gig Steve Winwood played on Long Island in 2003.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:56:25 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @ Ray

That would be a negative. Up until recently I WAS a kid.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:33:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Thank you for confirming that the voting
is total bullshit. Yet again this year.
And that "Clearly this is meant as a
marketing gimmick and makes no real attempt
to reflect what the audience wants to hear."
I'm sure DB16 will be in contact with you.


You do actually have a kid and that is why
you watch "Arthur" right? I mean we would
hate to see you on NBC's "Predators".

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:02:38 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi til Sept--Yayy!!

Two additions to the 'Tangentially SD file': In the 1988 movie "The Couch Trip" Walter Matthau's character is named Donald Becker. I always wondered if that was a reference to our boys. Secondly, the title character to the PBS Kid's cartoon "Arthur" has a little sister named D.W. I think I may have too much Steely Dan on the brain these days . . .


Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 19:52:18 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA


Thanks for the link. This list appears to be a duplicate of the 2009 list, with the exception of three songs that were dropped: Things I Miss The Most, Two Against Nature, and Your Gold Teeth. Since these are alphabetically last on the list, it is possible that they were inadvertantly truncated from this year's ballot. Incidentally, for the 2009 Gibson request night we did have a "one ticket, one vote" link. If I recall, the Boston voting page was unsecured. I don't remember any comments about what happened in the other cities.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 19:47:14 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Super stoked to hear about SD returning to Oz in October 2011. Any idea who will be in the band? Same line-up as the US tours? They were last here in 2007.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 18:28:22 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


The list of songs to choose from is on the MSG site here:

Here's a quick un-formatted cut and paste:

Aja Any Major Dude Will Tell You Any World I'm Welcome To Babylon Sisters Bad Sneakers Black Cow Black Friday Bodhisattva The Boston Rag The Caves of Altamira Chain Lightning Deacon Blues Dirty Work Doctor Wu Do It Again Don't Take Me Alive Everyone's Gone to the Movies Everything Must Go Everything You Did The Fez FM Gaslighting Abbie Gaucho Glamour Profession Godwhacker Green Earrings Haitian Divorce Here at the Western World Hey Nineteen Home at Last I Got the News Janie Runaway Josie Kid Charlemagne The Last Mall Lunch with Gina My Old School My Rival Night by Night Parker's Band Peg Pretzel Logic Reelin' in the Years (Club Mix) Reelin' in the Years (Dry and Heavy) Rikki Don't Lose That Number The Royal Scam Show Biz Kids Sign in Stranger Slang of Ages

I have no issue with the list, as this type of show is obviously a greatest hits night, and I think the band has every right to list the songs they are willing to play.

What has always bothered me a little bit, as a research guy more than a Dan fan, is the voting is total bullshit. If it were really meant to reflect what the audience wants to hear, voting would be limited to ticket holders who would have a code to vote ONCE. Clearly this is meant as a marketing gimmick and makes no real attempt to reflect what the audience wants to hear.

It's obvious to me that Don and Walt insist on a very high level of quality and control with respect to the music, but are open to letting the marketing folks take care of this kind of stuff.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 17:53:48 ET
Posted by: L Ray, Malibu Today, NYC September!

I almost forgot!!!

Who bought tickets for the NYC
Beacon "Fan Request" night?

Could someone PLEASE post the
voting list of songs this year?

Thanks in advance.

L, Ray

BTW to the Kid Charlatan, Dr. Phil,

How old do you think I am? I am
far from a mid-life crisis. I like
to dance. Remember?

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 16:09:15 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Beacon Bound


I appreciate your mediative, kind instincts, but Ray is a big boy and if I expect to dish it out, I surely should expect to get it back and take it. Even though it mostly comes from anon basement dwellers who post very rarely and think for some reason I want to be Rajah, even though I have never been arrested in my life, had a DUI or beat any of the many women in my life. I mean really, who would want to aspire to that? It is so easy to pile on and be an anon. RIP Rajah, boy would he have loved the upcoming Special Beacon shows I bet.
I have my 3 nights at the Beacon tickets, "Dawn", "Gaucho" & "Rarities" all set. And as I admitted earlier this week, I am really
bummed that I cannot make "21 Century" night. That one will hurt.

It's clear that I am in very small vocal minority here who was willing to be honest about feeling that the American Steely Dan fans were treated poorly this year and that the whole way the Special NYC Shows were announced was very shady & scummy in my opinion. And good for those long suffering fans Down Under! Like I said at least they have a choice by the early notice of the NYC Special Shows, they can buy tickets at home or venture to NYC or do both. But at least they were told far in advance and given the choice.

It is also very apparent that I am also in the very small vocal minority of people here who are after buying tickets yesterday or today are willing to admit that there is some major price gouging going on in NYC. I usually expect at least a kiss & perhaps a nice dinner before I am ravaged. I am actually quite sad today knowing that normal Steely Dan tickets (not VIP or Meet&Greet or All Access)have hit the $250 threshold. Especially in a run of shows said to be for the "hard suffering, true fans". Like I said, it's a sad fact. But at least no one here can ever accuse me of being a Steely Dan "Lemming" or "Pollyanna" ever again. And yes, for all of my issues with the tour this year, I am happy that many of us folks here will get a chance to see them and experience the music we have come to love.

Uncle Bob,

Yet once again you have totally missed my point on Saturday night Roseland '03 & Soboba '06 - shows I was lucky enough to experience.
Roseland was a gimme, like shooting fish in a barrel. It was fever pitch from the word go with a jammed packed house full of us "Lemming Faithful". Soboba on the other hand was earned. It totally built and took you by surprise. The crowd was filled with blue collar hard working people who didn't even own "Android Warehouse" or know what "My Rival" was. The show built as the amazed and even somewhat dumbfounded band fed off of the energy of the crowd and concluded in a huge eruption from both band and audience. I have never to this day have seen another Steely Dan show like it. And As I have stated many times before, I actually prefered the 1995 Roseland shows to 2003 and I actually thought the two nights at Universal in October of 2003 after Roseland were actually executed more tightly musically because the band had been on the road with the new two night setlist. But yes I had a great time at Roseland and wish I was going there instead on the Beacon in September.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 14:17:54 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Steely Bros and Sisters/ Alright enough already with piling on Brother Lurker Ray/ Hes a dandy of Gamma Chi God we all get a little pompous on this board sometimes' what do you expect we are Steely Dan fans/ a little smarter than the average bear. It is true the closer the tour gets we all start biting each other and I cant figure it out. Wish the Raj was around to explain it. I imagine he would tell us to relax and enjoy the show. Young Wu seems to be the voice of reason these days and if he would like to steer the subject in another direction I would gladly climb aboard. Peace all Brother Klaus

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:44:36 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Ray just needs to smoke a little chiba and relax.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:33:47 ET
Posted by: Uncle Bob, ...

Some classic Lurker Ray pontification is when he makes his annual concert-season jump up onto his little soapbox to expound on why the Soboba show was not only better than the Roseland shows, but in fact the best SD show of all time...

Lurker Ray is a legend in his own room...

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:08:49 ET
Posted by: FF, R

I guess they couldn't schedule any dates until the Bob Seger tour would be over? Well he is an SD fan and did once rhyme "freezing rain" with "insane" as a nod.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 12:39:50 ET
Posted by: Don Patrol, Mtl

Just ordered my Rarites and Bs at the Beacon tix!!!NYC here we come!!!

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 11:25:05 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, waiting for noon

LMAOOO @ Lurker Dr, Phil

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 10:38:34 ET
Posted by: Lurker Dr. Phil, a vision of a child returning

Hey, leave Lurker Ray alone. His arrogant and malevolent attitudes are simply due to him embracing his inner child due to a later-life trauma. What's more comforting for one during a mid-life crisis than to draw upon the principals of a six year old and believe that everyone else is wrong and the truth solely lies with your words and beliefs.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 10:31:45 ET
Posted by: Australia ... and New Zealand?, ...

Sentence found at the end of an article on a couple of stage crew members on tour with Bob Seger:

"Six days after the Seger tour ends later this month, he�s off for a five-month Steely Dan U.S. tour. After that, there�s talk of an Australian and New Zeeland Steely Dan tour that would last through November."

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 01:50:04 ET
Posted by: Lurker Kurt, lurkerville

Lurker Ray is the new authority on this board, he thinks.
Obsessive and abrasive. Good knowledge but creepy in his deliverance. Gets off on proving part time Steely Dan fans wrong.
Shits in peoples corn flakes, to use his own words.
You don't weant to sit next to him at a show, at least Lurker Kurt doesnt. Rajah he is not....

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 01:08:44 ET
Posted by: mike_the_wu, Jersey

Lurker Ray
I am just reading all of the latest posts. I believe all I was trying to say in mine was had I known that the Beacon was going to have a variety of shows and the Tower shows were going to be duplicates, I would have skipped a night at the Tower and went to the Beacon. But after seeing the Beacon prices my 96.00 row 3 orchestra tickets at the Tower are looking good. I still might venture up to the Beacon and attempt to get the cheap seats (although they seem to sell first, I wonder why?). The Beacon prices are quite high in my opinion considering I just bought 2 Orchestra tickets today for CSN at the Beacon on 8/30 for around a hundred bucks each today. And please before anyone starts I am not trying to compare CSN to the Dan or the Dead or anyone else. It just seems 96.00 buys you a scripted setlist, where 243.00 buys you the variety shows, or then again it could be 96.00 buys you a Philly ticket and 243.00 buys you an NYC ticket, who knows.
I completely agree with the post saying the Dan and the Dead's music are different and I have been to 100+ Dead shows and almost every Dan show that has been in this area, the first being in 1973. The Dan are perfectionists and the Dead are a party band, I enjoy both, they are my 2 favorites. I am just an aging hippy who enjoys good music and not a music critic. But now that we are in to the topic of ticket prices and gouging, I believe it was the Eagles who started the 250+ buck ticket fiasco. I never went to see them again after they started that. Quite honestly I can not afford or would I pay that much and I would think the artists would understand this country is going through hard economic times. Personally, and I stress personally I will not pay 250 bucks for a ticket for anyone, and I mean anyone. (PS - Just to light another fire, in thirty plus years the Dead never charged over a hundred bucks for a ticket unless it was a charity event) On that note have a pleasant day/night everyone

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 23:28:17 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Alan, Scotty and all my other brothers from down under

I am so happy for you guys!! My first reaction was to find a way to come to Oz to party with you, but after 14 shows stateside I'd better not. Know that I love and miss you guys and I'll be there in spirit. Congrats my cobbers. You deserve it!!

Hugs and kisses

PS: Lurker Ray, you are the man! Everyone in Dandom waits with baited breath for your intelligent and insightful musings. Your luminescence is both awed and envied by all. So much, in fact, that I dare not cast a shadow by addressing you further--ever.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 22:26:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

You can see what I mean. Though, "Are some pro-punk anti-Yacht Rock hackers having some fun with us?" really put a smile on my face this evening. But people seem to forget that there will be NO shows this year. It's all going to end next Saturday at his time isn't it?


Welcome back. And congrats on the tour dates. I hope you guys get some Special Set shows to chose from.


Low Spark of High-Healed Sneakers Tour
Pearly Queen Of The Quarter Tour
Arc Of The Funky Driver Tour
Can't Find My Home At Last Tour or
I Can't Find My All Too Mobile Home Tour
Dear Mr Sam Tour
Paper Sun Mountain Tour
Finer Things Tour
Medicated Gaucho Tour
High Roll With It Tour
I'm A Third World Man Tour
Valerie & Josie - The Babylon Sisters Tour
Shanghai Confidential Noodle Factory Tour
Shoot Out At My Old School Tour
Turn Up The Eagle Flies Tour
BP Freedom Overspill Tour
Bright Lights, Different Light Tour
Back In The High Life Do It Again Tour
While You See A Chance, Get Along Kid Charlemagne Tour
John Barleycorn Must Surf And Or Die Tour
No We Can't Spanish Dance Together Tour
Vacant Greasy Chair Tour
I Know I'll Love You Higher Tour
Withering Banyan Tree Tour
Glad Sneakers Tour
Frozen Rainmaker Tour
He's A One Way Freedom Rider Tour
Gimme Some Funked Up Music Tour
Were You Blind Faith That Day? Tour
Naked Girl With The Airplane Needs A Steely Dan T-Shirt Tour

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:40:34 ET
Posted by: alan, @steamer heaven

Lurker Ray

You Sir have become a complete WANKER !

Please do everyone a favor and return to lurkerville.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:38:34 ET
Posted by: Brother from another planet, LA

Who is this Lurker Ray guy?

I haven't been reading for a while. Scanning the last several days for tour news I feel like I'm being mugged. Did this board change hands to some rebel army? Are some pro-punk anti-Yacht Rock hackers having some fun with us?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:23:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The MJA Test Ticket Pre-Sale Has Ended

Well, just as predicted, they
are going Down Under for the
Winter Leg. I'd surely wager
that they probably won't be
coming back Stateside if you
look at the 2007 tour as an

Good news for them especially
since with the early news they
have a choice how to spend their
Steely Dan money this year.
Stay or come to NYC, they have
a wide variety of choices and
plans they can make with plenty
of time to decide.


No worries, we understand that
do to your financial hardship
that you cannot come to NYC and
are quite happy to just live
vicariously through the reports
of others. We understand that
you will have no worries this year
about taking sick or vacation days,
spending tax return money that was
supposed to go elsewhere, spending
money on hotels & airfare, cabs,
food, shuttle busses, gas or
spending hundreds of more dollars
on NYC tickets because you won't be
there. We understand that you will
be just hunky-dory and happy as a pig
in the mud just sitting home and reading
about the highly exclusive & elite
NYC shows. No reason to rock the
boat. We understand.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:59:09 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hi The Dean,

Yes, these winery concerts have a very similar setup to your "Sheds". They have become extremely popular over here, and rightly so.

No better day out than good food, wine and friends with Steely Dan on stage :)

link with further info for those interested:



Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:54:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

article on SD/Steve Winwood New Zealand tour:

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:49:53 ET
Posted by: Australian Ticketmaster link, is here!

And it has a sixth date:

Oct 30 Sun - Leconfield Wines McLaren Vale, SA
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan


So... what are the chance of any European, Asian, other international dates now that Australia is on?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:17:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


That's great news for you guys. You deserve it. There seem to be a lot of great Dan fans in Australia. "The Green" seems to be quite the popular spot for a concert, I take it. :#)

So, Winwood and The Dan. Any chance they share the stage for a song or two?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:51:41 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hi folks,

Been a few years since I've posted on here.

Got some exciting news for the Aussie fans in the mail this morning.

Ticketmaster in Aus have the following shows, with pre-sales starting in 15 mins:

Oct 19 Wed - Sir James Mitchell Park South Perth, WA
An Evening On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 22 Sat - Bimbadgen Winery Pokolbin, NSW
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 23 Sun - Sirromet Winery Mount Cotton, QLD
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 25 Tue - Sydney Entertainment Centre Darling Harbour, NSW
Steely Dan & Steve Winwood

Oct 29 Sat - Rochford Wines Coldstream, VIC
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan



Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:46:11 ET
Posted by: Red Eye , beacon bound

El Sup - the newsletter said there will be "several" packages

Lurker Ray and lawncareblues,
I'm going to those links, I get a Beacon page of some sort, and a Ticketmaster page, but on both it says that tickets are not yet on sale. Are you getting a working purchase link somewhere?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:34:27 ET
Posted by: lawncareblues, canada

dude whats the password for the mja test tickets-ive been e mailing with steely dan and they say that mja thing is not active

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:31:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


Here's my question to you. If my ONE upbeat post about this tour, in your words, "[became] quite tiresome", what should we all use to describe your FIFTEEN (rough count) posts whining about the tour? "A breath of fresh air?" "Another of Ray's standard chum bucket whiny posts?"

Moving on, there's a huge issue to consider when comparing the Dead's setlist strategy to that of SD. I like the Dead just fine and have seen them in concert on several occasions (maybe 5 or 6 times over the years). First of all we need to remember the Dead's music, while fun and interesting, is nowhere near as challenging as The Dan's. But, more importantly, The Dead was not exactly known for being particularly tight or consistent on a night-by-night basis. Of the shows I saw, one was great, most were fine and two were total embarrassments (IMO of course).

My extreme Dead-head fans have no problem admitting (and overlooking) this variance in quality from the live shows. I doubt most serious Dan fans would feel the same with regard to SD and I'm fairly certain Donald and Walt simply would have no part of that.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 17:38:28 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I forgot to mention that "MJA Test Tickets"
are now on sale for all of the shows:|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/events/steely-dan&__utmv=-&__utmk=198671596

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 17:31:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Wow, I thought I got gouged when
I paid $150 a ticket for great seats
at the Greek here in LA.

Get ready to open up the pocket books
folks starting tomorrow for the Beacon
shows. If you want any type of "good"
seats in either the Loge or Orchestra
it will run you a whopping $243.25!!!
To sit in the better rows of the boomy
Balcony it will run you $100.45

So I guess earlier this week when some
people here started to speculate that
ONLY in NYC could they keep costs down
to do an extended run, I guess they were
right. What a bargain. Those winery
tickets with meal sound like a fire sale
now huh Connie!?

The "Diplomacy" continues.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 16:34:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

I don't know why anyone here would attack you for being a "Dead Head"
(but then again around here you never know)- especially since this forum would not be here if it were not for the Grateful Dead. Hoops has told the story many times. As I said in an earlier post, Donald is clearly a big fan of the Dead so why not in the "spirit" of the Dead do a Special Setlist every night or at least in the spirit of the Dead or other Beacon favs, the Allman Brothers, post the entire tour schedule at once so the fan can choose how they want to spend their hard earned cash in these economic tough times. Instead of selling tickets to the rest of the country and Canada and then saying, "Oh by the way the better shows will be in NYC". Some of us here are willing to admit that we have been had. And let's remember how MUCH cheaper & easier it is to come to NYC the closer you actually live to the NY metropolitan area.


Oh great, so now only NYC is only going to get the original "Fan Voting" as first advertised! But just screw LA, Chicago & Milwaukee??
So glad to see that the "Diplomacy" continues.


I don't see anything "Diplomatic" in the way they have treated the fans in every other city currently on sale. Or people who already bought seats. "Shuffle Diplomacy", is that Fox News style? Fair & Balanced? Don't you think that if they were going to do wide & varied different setlists every night this summer they would have announced that early to help sell seats? Are you forgetting that "Shuffle" also means, "To act in a shifty or deceitful manner"? It means to "equivocate", to use equivocal language and equivocal means, "Open to two or more interpretations and often intended to mislead". So yeah I'd say the "Shuffle Diplomacy" has occurred, it was after everyone else bought their tickets and then they announced the better shows in NYC.

And you can bet your ass that "people" in the inner marketing circle must monitor this forum. Just take a look at the background color of this Beacon/MSG ad! ;O) -!/image/246592606.jpg

Now you can just copy and paste when you want to ad the artwork Hoops!

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 15:36:21 ET
Posted by: Chet, up


That sweater was very reminiscent of a hand knit one my mother made for me when I was in kindergarten in 1974. I think mine had camels. I always gave him a pass on it because I assumed his mom did the same for him. Besides, nobody looks very stylish in the proximity of Denny Dias in overalls. A refugee from Black Oak Arkansas, as Rolling Stone once put it.

Tangentially SD: The Red Sox have a pitcher named Dan Bard.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 14:04:23 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Does anyone know if there is going to be a "package buy" option for all seven Beacon shows? I would hate to be up there for 10 days and not have tickets for a couple of the shows.

Any info would be appreciated and can't wait to see everyone again,


Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 13:46:52 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @ SteelyDoc

Ah! The ugly sweater that Donald wore in the Katy Lied pics. He must have tons of them cuz there are recent pics of him in that hideous thing too. I gots to get me one now. Thanks.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 13:05:53 ET
Posted by: lawncareblues, canada

we know about the amex presale tomorrow-its the "mja test ticket" presale today that i am looking for a password-methinks mja stands for metropolitan jazz affair

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 12:47:12 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey


The presale for the Beacon is an American Express Card deal, so all you need is an AMEX card (I am fairly sure)

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 11:44:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

does this look familiar to anyone? a great item to weat to a Dan show...

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 09:06:03 ET
Posted by: movieirv, philly

does anybody know the code to buy tickets early online for the Beacon?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 08:11:28 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower is updated again as of today. Click on "updated May 14" and there is a pop up that tells you how to vote for certain Beacon setlists. I think that's the only change...

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 23:16:04 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa FL

"Green Earing" was a song that I meant to include in my
short "I don't want to hear it list, along with "Aja", "Hey Nineteen and a couple of other hits that we seem to hear on most of SD's shows. I had posted such a list a week or so ago on this wonderful site.
But I wanted to add my two cents on how each touring year there seems to be one song that really stands out or one that sounds brand new like you're hearing it for the first time.
On the 2009 tour, for me, "Black Cow" was that song. I've always liked it, but the spin they put on it was just like nothing I'd ever heard before.
On the 2007 tour, "Everything you Did" was a revelation to me.
On the 2003 tour, "Haitian Divorce" as sung by Walter really was a highlight of the evening.
In 2000, there were a few of them. Namely "The Boston Rag" and "Dirty Work" as sung by the ladies.
I'm hoping, as others here have already speculated, that the boys will have HBO or some fine company videotape the Beacon Theatre shows and release them as a box set or release the music as a boxed set on mulitple CD's of these fine live shows.
After all, these will be historic nights and the music could live on forever.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 22:35:37 ET
Posted by: BillFromPgh,

The name of the tour is encouraging to those of us who want to see them mix up the set lists

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 21:38:18 ET
Posted by: Danfan, Toronto

"Update"on the Toronto show is that there are only a few hundred seats left,the lawn seats sold out fast. This show is over 2 months away (July.22) and is a sure bet to be a sell out... get a move on people. See you there... 14th row L C is looking soooo good from hear.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 19:16:26 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Lurekr Ray

Lets hope they do something special in Philly. Somehow I don't think people comprehend the concept of playing different shows in the same city. One of the other groups on the top of my list has always been the Grateful Dead (feel free to beat me up for being a dead head). But one of their strong points was when they played 5 nights in Philly or various other places I have seen them they played a different setlist every night. People have always been puzzled by the fact that I would go to all 5 shows and I attempt to explain that the Dead played a different show every night, not the same scripted setlist that most other groups do. Variety can be great in the world of music. Having said that I will continue to love and follow Steely Dan. I just wish that Donald and Walter would realize we want to hear all of their music, and not a scripted setlist every night. But either way I keep going to the shows and they should reward Philly because as you said, we do support them, special shows or not. Thats the end of my whining for today, later everyone

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 18:03:32 ET
Posted by: Lurekr Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

I still think they might do something special for you Philly fans. A town that has always been a Steely Dan/Donald Fagen stronghold.
Remember what happened in Boston in 2009 after people complained?

And I think you have every right to be bummed. Like I have said, I think the entire Special Setlist/NYC matter has been handled very poorly by Donald, Walter and their management. Funny, a couple of months ago I was attacked and called a "Steely Dan Pollyanna", a "Steely Dan Lemming" willing to always sing their praises and follow them blindly as if they could do no wrong because I thought they didn't owe Keith Jarrett a dime - and then this week I get attacked for saying that I think the whole Special Setlist/NYC matter is very shading and scummy - people attacked me for raining on the parade!

Now some other "Steely Dan Pollyanna's" have speculated that it was "Market Research" though again I was the only one attacked and called for "pissing". Market Research, give me a break. Here's a little story - from early on we have known here in Los Angeles that they were going to do "Aja" & what they originally called another fan voted "Request Night" (they quietly dropped that as of this week BTW, though it still appears on their website press release!) here at the Greek Theatre. Tickets went on sale almost a month ago now and you know what, it was the "Request Night" that sold the quickest and the best seats went the fastest, not "Aja" night as one might think! Even after the presales!

The research was in and early. As I have said, you could take the three most very Special Nights, "Rarities", "Dawn Of The Dan" & "21 Century Dan" and book them in Philly, Toronto, Atlanta, Chicago, Boston or LA and the would sell out. And I will wager that when the NYC Beacon tickets go on sale in 2 days it will be THOSE 3 nights that will sell the quickest! Even faster than "By Popular Demand" night I will bet. Fans & even the most casual of fan or even date night folks want the Special Shows. Even above "Aja" Nights or the "Best Of" nights that most of America & Toronto are getting this summer. The demand IS already clearly there.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 11:47:03 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey

Hoops. thanks and I do understand everything you are saying. I saw these guys in concert for the first time in 1973 at the Spectrum in Philly, and have been following them since much before then, so I realize they are unpredictable. Having said that though every once awhile I look for a semblance of logic. Last year they did the 2 SS nights at the tower and sold out both nights. So I figured great when I saw 2 nights at the tower again this year and got tix for both nights. But now that I see whats going on the Beacon I was just a little bummed and might sell one night and go up there. Sorry, I am done my whining for now, later

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 08:27:13 ET
Posted by: srch, kb

A story about the Hudson Valley being a celebrity hideaway. I hope this doesn't blow Don's cover.|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 07:34:24 ET
Posted by: hoops , chicago, on the quick

Mike the Wu:

The short answer is "we don't know--they don't give out those reasons."

It's even possible that the venue doesn't want each show to be different. I had a friend who ran an arena and that sort of thing actually did happen with another musical act.

The longer answer is that, despite our hundreds (thousands?) of posts through the years speculating why or why they don't play this song or why they play or don't play that venue or use a certain musician or..., the fact is there are various reasons, almost all of which are beyond our comprehension. Maybe they have play a certain shit-hole venue that they hate as part of a package that also allows them to play a venue that is amazing; and don't you think, if money were no object, that they'd prefer to play a club seating 200 rather than the likes of the United Center or AllState Arena seating 15,000+? Maybe a venue we love sucks for them. "The sound and sight lines are great for the audience but they have no back stage and we have operate out of our tour bus!" Maybe Donald and Walter don't want to play a certain amazing song because every time they play it, it reminds them that their wallet was stolen while they recorded it. Etc., etc, etc.

Just sayin'.

Have a great day. And I mean that part! :-)


Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 03:31:27 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey

Hey all, last year at the tower they did SS nights, why would they not do them this year, because they sell out here all the time? I am bummed, might sell one of my tower nights and head up to the beacon, go figure

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 01:08:35 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

R.I.P. Uncle Funky.
Great, uncompromising artist.
Recorded with Purdie and Rainey quite a bit.
Steve Khan of Gaucho fame has a great new cd out this week, with Dennis Chambers, Anthony Jackson, Badrena.
He thinks it's his last one and sadly it's called "Parting shot"
Well worth it.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 19:23:16 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but wouldn't be cool if we got "This All Too Mobile Home" on rarities night?! That's long been a fan favorite.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 19:10:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

RIP to my cousin Cornell

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 18:17:35 ET
Posted by: mmmclhfaq, New York

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Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 16:33:05 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, ONLY 7 shows @ the Beacon?

RIP Cornell Dupree- (obit reprinted without permission from Variety):
Guitarist Cornell Dupree, one of the most prolific and talented session players in R&B and jazz, died May 8 in Fort Worth, Texas.
Dupree was 68 and had recently been diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Known as "Mr. 2500" (for the number of recording sessions on which he reputedly played) and "Uncle Funky," Dupree established himself as a studio star at Atlantic Records in the '60s. Over the years he cut freelance dates with Miles Davis, B.B. King, Ray Charles, Herbie Mann, James Brown and Jimmy Smith, to name just a handful of his most notable employers.

Born in Fort Worth, Dupree was initially an alto saxophonist but was inspired to pick up the guitar as a teen after seeing a local concert by Johnny "Guitar" Watson. A blues player, he branched into R&B at 19 when he joined saxophonist King Curtis' band the Kingpins, where he played alongside the pre-stardom Jimi Hendrix.

With Curtis, Dupree became part of the nucleus of Atlantic's New York house band, which included keyboardist Richard Tee and drummer Bernard "Pretty" Purdie. He can be heard on Brook Benton's "Rainy Night in Georgia," the celebrated "Live at the Fillmore West" albums recorded in 1971 by Curtis and Aretha Franklin and sets by such '70s Atlantic stars as Donny Hathaway and Roberta Flack. He was a member of Franklin's touring band from 1967-76.

In 1976, Dupree became a founding member of the jazz-funk instrumental unit Stuff, which also included Tee and (in a later incarnation) drummer Steve Gadd. The unit cut half a dozen albums for Warner Bros. The guitarist later played with Gadd in a spinoff band, the Gadd Gang.

Beginning with "Teasin'" in 1974, he released 10 solo albums under his own name; his 1988 set "Coast to Coast" received a Grammy nomination. Some of his jazz-flavored work found him playing alongside such former Atlantic labelmates as David "Fathead" Newman and Hank Crawford. An album he cut for Austin's Dialtone Records is awaiting release.

He published an instructional book, "Rhythm & Blues Guitar," in 2000.

Dupree's survivors include wife Erma.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 14:34:47 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Thanks for the update.
Though I really thought that Donald
would have written something about
Roger Nichols by now. Any ideas or
news on why Philly isn't getting any
Special Setlist nights like they
did in 2009? Hopefully they will
do what they did in Boston after they
got shorted in 2009 and give you guys
a special show on one of the nights.


Yeah like I said it just rings really
scummy to me. And I totally agree that
Toronto also has a proven track record
for selling Donald Fagen/Steely Dan
tickets. I also believe that ANY of
"Special Setlist" nights would have
sold out also in Toronto, like I pointed
out in my May 9th post.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 14:24:51 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Vert

I thought the same thing. But then again, perhaps he's trying to justify her dying so young in his mind and that came out in the article. The fact that she's gone now, doesn't make her seem much like a hypochondriac after all.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 12:35:53 ET
Posted by: Vert, A1

Was it necessary to bring up the hypochondria?

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 11:36:29 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower has a tribute to Phoebe Snow, from DF :

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 09:43:00 ET
Posted by: luke, NJ

I'm looking forward to these SD shows, I know that I'm in the minority here but...I HATED The Dukes Of September! Boring with a capital B!

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 00:15:48 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, home

Hey Lurker Ray you're right about them announcing the special shows too late. Last time TO had 2 album nights. We went to Aja + and it was superb at Massey Hall. Where, by the way they could do a run like the Beacon and sell as many ducats.

So now we have our seats for the Amphitheatre show which I may not have bought had I known then about the specials in NYC & elswhere. Still contemplating the splurge but it's a big one for us. So hopefully at our show the boys will play a rarity or two.

Anyway, its great to have them out there touring again and I look forward to the reviews and setlists here as usual.


Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 21:41:56 ET
Posted by: thefez, Boston

Connie - I lived around the corner from the Worcester Center in MA after getting out of college in the early 80's and scored excellent tickets for tons of shows a day or two before the show, sometimes day of. 30 years later I'm around the corner from the Comcast Center in Mansfield, MA and same holds true, including SD shows there. 'Reserve the Date' and plan on scoring some tasty duckets around show time, I'm sure it will work out.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:58:59 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

I called the Mountain Winery this am. They have 1 ticket left at $225 plus you have to buy the dinner package on top of that. The show sold out. Stupid meetings!

Looking for a ticket now!

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:36:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, someone else's computer

I can't read my email right now, but I have a feeling I should thank Dean and Doc and a couple others. I did the fix. So thanks.



Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 15:55:50 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The last time I saw the Keytar in all of it's splendor was at Chumash on January 19, 2007. I have not seen it since.


All reports said the Beacon Dukes shows were 2/3 full maybe even less the second night, while all reports have both the Tower in Philly & the Greek here in LA sold-out or near capacity and remember the Greek has twice the seats as the Beacon and was on a Wednesday night. My point is that just because Don & Walter prefer to sleep in their own beds (I mean who doesn't!)and "walk" to shows if they want to (if they don't get mugged) NYC is not necessarily the best place to sell tickets, especially for an extended run. I get why they are doing the special shows only in NYC, the exclusivity of the shows will help put butts in the seats. They have a lot of nights to fill and with this economy I'm sure they figured that people would not come out again for two nights of "Royal Scam" or two nights of "Gaucho". Believe me, I get it. And I bet you won't see those Boston shows go on sale till after the NYC tickets have been available for quite some time. They want/need as many people to come to the Beacon as possible. Like I said, I get it. But towns like Boston, Philly & LA have proven that they can sell equal or probably more tickets.

I guess what really irkes me and what rings as scummy to me was the way they waited until all of the shows across America were on sale or almost sold out in some towns until they announced the NYC "Special Shows". In the spirit of the Allman Brothers or better yet the Grateful Dead, who Donald clearly admires and is the reason this wonderful forum is here, why not announce all of the shows at once including the "Special Shows"? This would have given the fan a chance to make a choice and plan how they wanted to spend their hard earned Steely Dan dollar this year. Especially in this hard economic climate in the States. Maybe a fan in Alabama would have loved to come to NYC, but they bought 4 or 5 seeats to a Bama show and now they can't afford to come to NYC and now they wil miss out.

Which brings me to why I brought up "Gaucho" night in LA. It was a night filled with many songs the majority of the audience didn't even know, yet they still went apeshit. They had enough "hits" in the mix
to satisfy even the most casual of fans in the crowd that Saturday night. All I am saying is that I don't buy into any of the "market research" theories that have been floating around here. I guarantee that you could take ANY of the Special NYC shows (even "Rarities" or "21st Century Dan")and if you booked them into theaters in Boston, LA or Philly on Friday & Saturday nights back-to-back, they would sell out. And in a venue like the Greek it would actually double the seating capacity of the Beacon and actually be like selling out 4 nights in NYC. And remember that is with a horrific 12% unemployment rate here in LA County.

And finally, "Bad Sneakers". My point is that the song killed in Boca Raton & Italy in 2009 and was number 13 on Hoops iTunes list (obviously people love this tune), yet they dropped it after Italy. Like I said, so much for "market research". If a song clearly gets a big response from a audience, wouldn't market research dictate to play it? I believe that like most of songs on "Katy Lied", Donald doesn't like playing it. It had nothing to do with giving the fans what they wanted to hear.

And I don't like pancakes Daddy. Too many carbs.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 14:34:00 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains

I disagree.

What's notable is that the "way" he plays the keytar is different than the way be plays sit-down synths. He uses the pitch wheel with his left hand, bending single notes here and there to almost emulate a guitar player. It's all over Babylon Sisters on AIA.

And that same "style" of playing is on Trans Island Skyway.

Check the bent synth notes after:
"With all screens and functions...(bend!)"


"The kid who was driving I know from somewhere...(bend!)"

I have a feeling he was jamming along with the song on the keytar, and the tape was rolling. He (or Walter) kept it in for the sake of whatever.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 13:23:30 ET
Posted by: keytar,

In the studio Donald just used standard Roland, Korg, Yamaha and Sequential Circuits sit down synthesizers.

The Lync Keytar was just for stage mobility. It could have had an optional on-board synthesizer, but he might have been using MIDI to trigger backstage synthesizers. I remember him saying something about that in an interview, and that he bought a couple backup Lyncs after the company went out of business.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 07:51:30 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains


The last I saw Don use the Keytar was for the 2003 EMG tour. As far as its use in the studio, I definitely hear it on Trans Island Skyway and possibly some other songs from Kamakiriad.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 00:32:09 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

I know I need a hobby, but does anyone else think about Don's playing of the keytar? He strapped it on in the early '90s and he tickles it a bit in the Plush 2vN dvd, but I don't recall the last time I saw it played during a show. Is it used more as a concert element to get him moving and center stage? I haven't studied the album credits recently, but has the keytar been used in the studio? Who else but Donald could make instruments like the melodica and keytar so hip, yet important?! Okay, maybe Augustus Pablo on melodica and the dudes from Cameo on keytar, but who plays both?

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 00:11:26 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

I'm sure I read "revues" of the Dukes tour if they were posted here, but I don't remember any in particular. But it's not about the mythical "vibe" of the show, the critical reaction, or the utility of the audience; it's about ticket revenues. Where are the numbers? If you can show me numbers with other shows generating more revenues than the Beacon shows, then that's fine, and I won't question you.

I didn't go to any shows in LA in 2009, but you've been very vocal about the Gaucho show being the best. There might have been other people on this forum that's said it was the best of LA 2009 shows as well, but I don't remember. However, just because you say it's so doesn't mean it's so. People have different preferences, and I find it possible that someone who attended multi-night shows in LA could think another night was better or it's possible that someone who attended only the Gaucho show wishes he could've gone to the Aja show. But even if the Gaucho show was indisputably, irrefutably the best show of the 2009 LA shows, that still doesn't mean it sold more tickets than the other shows. It might have, but unless you have numbers, I can't be sure.

I guess I just don't get your point about Bad Sneakers. What's the big deal about them not playing Bad Sneakers? Let's say they were playing 20 songs (plus Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More, and Itchin' which they were going to play regardless of requests), and if the ballots went through, let's say Bad Sneakers came in 15th place and Dr. Wu came in 21st. Maybe they decide to play Dr. Wu to appease the faction of fans that has been clamoring to hear that song played, and they feel more comfortable playing songs 16-20 based on their own personal preferences and "market research." So they play Dr. Wu and don't play Bad Sneakers. Big deal. Now let's say the ballots don't exist, and Donald and Walter choose exactly what they play. They make a list of what they believe is their 30 most popular songs and choose 20 to play at the Internet Request Night. Bad Sneakers is one of the ten that doesn't make the cut. Big deal. I mean, I'm not sure what you're going for... do you think there's some sort of conspiracy where Donald and Walter are not playing Bad Sneakers just to piss you off? I mean it's plainly obvious that they "fixed" the setlists for the request nights after the first couple of them, but that doesn't mean they didn't play what the majority of their fans wanted to hear at those shows.

If there is no economic incentive, why do you think they are playing seven nights or however many at the Beacon? Do you think Donald and Walter just said "hey, let's punish all of our non-New York fans and really rile them up by only playing each of the special setlist shows at the Beacon, despite the fact that we could make more money performing at other, nicer venues with better sound quality and better crowds?" Do you think they just put venues into a hat as far as where they are going to play the special setlist shows and randomly drew the Beacon? I think they made the tour the way they did for a reason. Maybe their reasoning is misconstrued and incorrect, but I think it's absurd to imply that no research goes into where they perform whichever special setlist show (not to mention possible logistical reasons for choosing their touring schedule). And by research, I mean research that goes well beyond reading reviews on the bluebook.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:45:37 ET
Posted by: gaear grimsrud , brainerd

@lurker ray: where's pancake's house?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:19:17 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

hopefully they'll be back out West - second leg of the tour, as they did a couple of years ago - played the Winery twice and Santa Rosa.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:16:43 ET
Posted by: SF, wine country

I just bought 2 tickets at the Mountain Winery for $81 each.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:09:02 ET
Posted by: TheFez, Boston

Connie: "Trapped in meetings all day. Finally out and got on line for tickets at Mountain Winery and the cheapest available is $172.00! Holey Moley!"

That's ridiculous. I can imagine what NYC will be. Serious buzzkill on my NYC plans if that ends up being the case.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:00:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Did you read any of the revues here from the Dukes tour? Obviously not. And you totally missed the point about "Bad Sneakers". I guess you are still performing your market research. Do you really think that Donald & Walter's management company dictates what they play?

"But I would think that they would only do it at the Beacon if they thought demand for those shows would be higher there"

Again you are wrong. Take for example the 2009 4 dates in LA. Gaucho night. Only "Hey 19" appears on Hoops iTunes list. Twice.
It's the only song from Gaucho on the list. "Babylon Sisters" didn't even make the list. I'd wager that many of the people in that audience that night didn't even own Gaucho or know many of the songs.
But there were enough hits played to appease even the smallest fan and it was the best show of the 4 night stand. Yes Gaucho beat out even Aja. A Saturday night show, filled with "date nights" & the crowd went apeshit.

I guarantee you book two nights at the Greek here in LA, a Friday & a Saturday. Bring "Rarities" in on Friday & "21st Century Dan" in on Saturday and I would be telling you that Saturday night actually beat Friday night probably on Sunday. And that would just about double the seats for a 2 night run at the 2800 seat Beacon. Either of those two shows would sell out here in LA. They got nights to fill in that 2800 seater in NYC and the economy sucks, they are goig to do what it takes to fill that run. And yes I think they learned there lesson from the Dukes tour.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 21:49:43 ET
Posted by: TheFez, Boston

Hello One and All. I'm thinking of surprising the wife and booking 9/14 - 9/17 in NYC for the Dawn/Gaucho/Rarities shows at the Beacon (we met at the 2000 Mansfield show, rest is history!). I'm looking for recommendations on accomodations (and a babysitter!). Can anyone recommend any good hotels near the Beacon? Also looking for other Dan Fans to party during this time, particularly on the 9/15 off day. Any help appreciated and looking forward to stomping on the avenue by Radio City.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 20:35:42 ET
Posted by: Anonymous,

Florida dates coming?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:37:06 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Trapped in meetings all day. Finally out and got on line for tickets at Mountain Winery and the cheapest available is $172.00! Holey Moley!

I watched an ad over weekend for the Mountain Winery concert lineup and the backround song was "Do It Again" as they rolled out the concert lineup for the summer. I want to 'Do It Again' but I have to eat this summer.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:32:51 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Lurker Ray, I'm pretty sure we had this exact same argument in 2009. That year I recorded all of their setlists that were posted in this forum or elsewhere that I could find; unfortunately, because of some computer and backup issues, I no longer have that index to use in this argument. But I'll say this; I'm pretty sure that all of those other songs were played on the Internet Request Nights. I did not have the privilege to attend one, and I don't know if you did or not. Yes, I remember that their Internet Request Nights evolved into repetitive setlists, and I certainly think it's possible and maybe even probable that the actual "ballots" might have not been very reliable. But to use Bad Sneakers as an example of a "rigged" setlist doesn't really work, considering they played every other song on that list including Dr. Wu, which Donald (at least) clearly is uncomfortable playing. When it comes down to it, they played the songs that (for the most part and with the exclusion of Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More, and Love is Like an Itchin' in My Heart, which they were going to play anyway) the majority of their fans wanted to hear. To put another way, if you had to come up with a 20-22 song setlist that you would expect a "mainstream" fan (probably about 75% of their audience; just an uneducated guess) would vote for, what would it be? If Bad Sneakers is the only song missing, that's a good percentage. So even if the votes didn't exist, they still appeased the majority of their audience by playing the setlists that they played at Internet Request Night shows, even without Bad Sneakers. And that's kind of the point. So, I don't think you can expect anything different from the "by popular demand shows"-- but maybe they'll play Bad Sneakers. (As an aside, even though I used the i-tunes list in a previous argument, it isn't the only or even the best tool to measure the popularity of Steely Dan songs necessarily).

Now, about the fact that they're only doing the "special" special setlist shows at the Beacon, Lurker Ray, how are you backing up the fact that the Beacon numbers for the Dukes of September were "dismal?" I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious as to where you're getting your information. In my opinion, reliable information would be actual box office numbers, so if you have a link to those, I'd like to see them. Additionally, I think their management team probably makes those decisions more so than Donald and Walter, and their management team surely is comprised of business men who understand (or think they understand) the market. Of course, I don't really mind if they did the special shows at the Beacon or in Los Angeles or in Tulsa, Oklahoma. But I would think that they would only do it at the Beacon if they thought demand for those shows would be higher there, and if they had tangible, numerical evidence that indicated poor ticket revenues from years past, I think they would have done it elsewhere.

Different subject, but considering the volume and diversity of the different types of special setlists shows could lead to a higher volume of performable songs, what does everyone think their "normal" shows will be like?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:04:55 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

I don't understand all the angst regarding set lists,special set lists titled set lists!!Be happy that the boy's and girls will be with us for another tour.Their existence is just like life!!It could end tomorrow and then how much complaining would we do? Accept what you get and be happy for it.I know i will be.....fezzie

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:58:57 ET
Posted by: L Ray,

And BTW Anon,

Who's pissing on any parade?
I booked my frequent flyer miles
last night. They got my money.

They booked a bunch of nights at
the Beacon and after the dismal
Dukes numbers last year, they are
hedging their bets. Plain & simple.
If they do shows at the Beacon that
they aren't doing anywhere else it
will help to sell the shows booked
at the Beacon. It has nothing to
do with "market research".

Trust me, if they did the same shows
in Boston or LA, they would sell out.
This is a way to ensure that Beacon
will substain a lenghty run. And
what about Philly? Why no "SS"
shows for a city that has mucho
brotherly love for Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:32:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I can see where you are going also.
But I hardly think one show in such
a tiny market, like Boca Raton was
for "market research". "Bad Sneakers"
was also "tested"/played in Boca,
yet a month later they played it again
in Italy . And if you look at hoops'
iTunes list "Bad Sneakers" comes in
at an undeniable number 13. Yet when
they left Italy they never played it
again in 2009. So much for market

I'm just saying, that if Steely Dan was
using NYC as "market research" (which I
find ridiculous)they would have chosen
a much better test market - Boston.
Just like in 2009. Boston is a much
more Steely Dan friendly than even NYC.
Not to mention that in 2009 LA had much
bigger crowds on many nights vs the Beacon.

And yes it will be a mother of a version
of "Deacon Blues" when they play Bama,
just like the last time they played the Warf.
Wish I could be there. You folks in Bama
deserve a great show, especially after all
of the sadness you have encountered this

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:26:31 ET
Posted by: ,

Give it up, Ray. We're lucky that they are trying one show...most artists wouldn't even bother. And yeah, they could lose money on this one but the location and night reduces the risk. Fans will travel to NYC to hear a show that is exclusive and not elsewhere--say Philly. And having it on a Saturday ensures some casual fans will accidentally attend and fill seats.

If some of you think they shouldn't care if they break even on such shows, what would your wife say if you planned to work for a couple of days, told here you might lose money and you would have to pick up the expenses? She'd kill you if you went ahead.

Ray, this is a test. If it works, look for more. NYC is the only market big enough to cover expenses--L.A. might work but I am sure they will see how it works in NYC. If some rarity goes over big time then look for it to be added to other shows.

And as far as why no Aja night in Atlanta--consider that the venue and the promoter gets a say in whats performed.

I think you've reached a point where, yes, you just want to piss on our parade.


Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:46:12 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

FYI, Here at the Western World (normal, 1976 version) was played at a few (or maybe just one) of the early 2009 shows. If it was played at just one show, it would have been the Boca Raton show. I've heard a recording of that song from that show, and there wasn't a huge crowd response. This echoes Hoops' most recent post compiling their most purchased songs on i-tunes; if you'll notice, Here at the Western World isn't on there. I think this lends credibility to the theory that they generally will play what the majority of fans (non hardcore) wants and expects to hear. At the same time, however, they are cognizant of their hardcore fanbase who wants to hear songs like HATWW and hence they played it in early 2009 for market research to better understand how many of these so-called "hardcore" fans were actually in the audience/responsive to such a rarely performed song and to determine if it was worth selecting for the Internet Request Night. Based on the audience response (market research), it probably seemed to them that it wouldn't generate a huge response at a request night, and so they left it alone. So in some ways, it's very surprising that they're doing all these special setlist nights, especially the rarities and 21st century Dan, but it's not surprising that they are only doing it in one location so far. They need the market research.

As far as the rarities go, I hope it's unreleased tracks like The Second Arrangement, The Bear (I Got the Bear, the Bear Got You, whatever it's officially called), Kulee Baba, and This All Too Mobile Home. But I'd also be fine hearing completely new material as well. Considering how interested a lot of us are in new SD/Fagen/Becker albums, I'm sure that most people here will be fine with that too. With the 21st century Dan, in addition to Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go tracks, I hope they play some solo tracks, particularly The Night Belongs to Mona ( one of my all time favorites in the whole SD/Fagen/Becker catalogue). But even with these special setlist nights, they still are going to play "select" favorites as well. They might be stepping outside the box a little bit, but they aren't going far enough outside of it to alienate their mainstream fanbase to please a small portion of hardcore fans. Of course, (and I've stated this before), as one of those fans, I'm perfectly happy going to a regular "chum bucket show" in Tuscaloosa, AL (an hour away from my hometown; closest they've ever been to me) with several of my really good friends and hearing those select favorites for the 5th or so time in person. I bet they'll play the mother of all versions of Deacon Blues, and that'll actually be the first time I've heard that select favorite in person.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:35:51 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I can see where you are going but I'm not so sure that NYC is the
ultimate litmus test for new shows. Take for example last years "Dukes" tour. Even after a scrapped Jones Beach date the back-to-back Beacon dates(given they were on weekdays)had some dismal attendance. Much better crowds showed up on a Wednesday night in LA and jammed the Tower in Philly on a Saturday night.

I still think a "Rarities" night would drop-dead kill in markets like
Philly, LA, Boston & Chicago. Let's not forget that per, besides "numinous Night of Nights were all will be revealed" they are going to fill out the setlist with "additional selected favorites and hits". Even the "date nights", casual fan will be happy. Any of these special shows would have filled seats in Philly, LA, Boston or our lovely Chicago.

Your iTunes list also clearly proves that indeed, "Bad Sneakers" is
a major fan or casual fan "favorite". Yet in the rigged setlists from
ALL of the Internet Fan Voting shows in 2009, it NEVER got played.
Let's hope this years,"By Popular Demand" is not a sham.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:05:59 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

Here's a reality check for what fans want to hear--not just us super, ultra fans.

The iTunes Top 25 purchases of Steely Dan songs as of the past 30 minutes:

1. Reelin' (CBAT)
2. Peg (Aja)
3. Hey 19 (Decade)
4. Dirty Work (CBAT)
5. Reelin' (Decade)
6. Black Cow (Aja)
7. Aja (Aja)
8. Deacon Blues (Aja)
9. Home At Last (Aja)
10. Bodhisattva (Decade)
11. Black Friday (Decade)
12. Do It Again (CBAT)
13. Bad Sneakers (Decade)
14. I Got The News (Aja)
15. Do It Again (Decade)
16. Hey 19 (Gaucho)
17. Deacon Blues (Aja)
18. Kid Charlemagne (Royal Scam)
19. Rikki (Decade)
20. Josie (Aja)
21. Dr. Wu (Katy Lied)
22. My Old School (321 XTC)
23. Rikii (Pretzel Logic-1999)
24. FM (Decade)
25. My Old School (Decade)

Near the bottom of the list were the 1993 box set versions of many tracks, Show Biz Kids compilation versions and other compilations versions. The Pre-CBAT, grey-market tracks even did better than those; Also near the bottom were the 2vN tracks.

I think Our Favorite Duo is going quite out on a limb to offer special nights, even 2vN and EMG night, with "rarities" really having to justify itself this first time for it to be repeated this tour.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:57:05 ET
Posted by: Bill, Alabama

I saw Dan at Orange Beach,Al. The Wharf Amphitheatre two years ago. They return this summer and its a great venue. Most folks don't realize Bama has a beautiful beach. White sand like the other gulf coast beaches(Panama City Beach,Destin,etc.) Also the rates are down some by Aug. Where else can you get a room beach front 15 minutes from the concert for $150-$200??? [ Look for information on the Danfest list for this show next week. ]

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:46:24 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC usually

The Beacon Theatre will be a fabled cornucopian smorgasbord this fall!
god, I love NY

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:44:34 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Chicago

The Awesomeness level of this tour just went from 2 to 10! This is unbelievable. If I had my wave I'd go see "The Dawn of the Dan" "21st century Dan" and "Rarities." Not sure if I can get to NYC but you bet im going to take a long hard look at it.

This is like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE play Great Pagoda of Funn!

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:34:05 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Who wants to carpool to New York?

My guess for Dawn of the Dan... we (well, YOU lucky bastards) will get most of the stuff that BillfromPgh listed, plus probably one or two golden gems.

I think Midnight Cruiser will probably fill the void from Can't Buy a Thrill. I don't really see any mindblowing choices from that album. As awesome as it would be, I just think it's unlikely.

Your Gold Teeth will get played, I think. Remember, it was one of the few rare songs that fans could have picked to be in the setlist last summer. I don't know how much of a change King of the World has, but I would love it to be a staple of the tour.

As for Pretzel Logic... there's 4 of 5 semi-regulars from that album that they have. I'd be surprised if we got a crazy cut from that album.

Plus, songs like Turn That Heartbeat Over Again (or whatever) might be saved for the Rarity night. So I don't think we will see anything super nuts for Dawn of the Dan. Plus, it's not only these 3 albums. If the show is 20 songs or so, almost half the setlist will probably come from the other albums, so there isn't a lot of wiggle room.

I love this stuff... regardless of whether I will be there or not, I'm just super happy I get to see them this summer. It sucks a little I won't be seeing these amazing songs, but I'll live with Peg and Josie. It's 1000 times better than a Danless summer.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:31:07 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Bitter Beacon/Bacon:

1. You apparently could use a hug, too.

2. That DFB video is vertigo-inducing, true, but long, and the sound's OK.

3. Do you really think a band as obsessive/compulsive as ours is ONLY going to do the really deep stuff on that one magical night? Totally cold, w/out run-through of any kind? Bet not. What you'll get this tour is Aja/Josie/Peg/etc. every set, w/ some other stuff sprinkled through to help the band limber up. And when "Cash Only Island" or some other obscure gem gets played one warm summer night in Minnesota, some helpful taper will be there.

4. OR the guys are planning an official live release from the Beacon shows. So, short form:

5. The glass is actually half-full, after all.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:24:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


No worries and I am also grateful
that "Rarities Night" is on a
Saturday. I just wish they would
have swapped out "Gaucho Night"
with "21st Century Dan Night" -
Now that would have made for a
terrific trifecta! ;O)

Thanks for all of the "hugs" guys
but I still feel that these special
shows only in NYC goes against
what we have come to expect in years
past as far as giving fans in all
parts of the country a chance to
see them as in 2009. Does anyone
know why the fine cities of Atlanta &
Philly who both also have back-to-back
shows are not getting any "SS" shows?


A fine full studio version of "Fall of '92"
has been released. Though sadly it is on
a very rare DJ Promo release. A great live
version from '93 recorded at Irvine, CA
(which I actually prefer)is available on
the Import "Cousin Dupree" Maxi-Single.


Walter did not sing "Gaucho" last tour
in 2009. It was Donald, during the
special "Gaucho" nights.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:23:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick, as always these days

L. Ray: Thanks for the heads up on "Any World..." at Milwaukee. Running back in the archives I found I actually was at the show and wrote about that in the Dandom Digest, I'm slipping.

Regarding Rarities, I think one show is enough for now to see how it does. It's great it's on Saturday so we can all travel there. Yet being on Saturday brings up how many casual fans will attend for date night.

We'll chat again tonight at 8 PM ET / 7 PM CT. Thanks for a great time last night, everyone!



Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:12:39 ET
Posted by: Beacon Is Bacon, Hoffy Brand


You are very wrong buddy. I challenge you to go through your collection of Steely Dan bootlegs and PLEASE tell us of any nice Fagen/Steely Dan recordings you have from the Bacon. They don't exist. Oh but there must be something great from the extended 2009 run, right? Nope. The security at the doors and in the aisles at the Beacon is run by brown shirts. Not to mention if you are able to sneak equipment in the sound in the joint is horrendous for audience recording not to mention at many locations throughout the theatre. You will not find any quality Steely Dan boots from the Bacon. I have a DVD from the Fagen solo show there , anyone remember Martha Gate? - And it gives you vertigo if you try and watch. Do mostly to the brown shirts swarming around the guy and he was in the balcony.

Now maybe someone like yourself will settle for short, cut-off, crappy, shaky cell phone videos on YouTube, but those don't count. So again I ask to please let us know of any quality Steely Dan boots that you have from the Bacon.

A little tip, don't waste your time. You will not find a one.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:00:34 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

Yes, "This All Too Mobile Home" would be incredible. Maybe bring Ricky Lawson back so he and Carlock can have a 10-minute duel like Porcaro and Hodder used to. In fact, bring Dinky Dawson back on the road to feed those drums through his on-board phase effects.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 13:53:41 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,

A band this size needs arrangements. They got 'em for the following "Dawn" tunes that have been performed from 93 on:

Do It Again
Dirty Work
Midnight Cruiser (I love Walter's version, but I may be the only one)
Reelin' In The Years (pick a version - I'm digging the "club mix")
The Boston Rag
Show Biz Kids
My Old School
Rikki Don't Lose That Number
Night By Night
Any Major Dude Will Tell You
Parker's Band
Pretzel Logic
Monkey In Your Soul (ditto for WB version)

Anything beyond that will be gravy, and I think we will get more. I'd like to hear Gold Teeth (I), Brooklyn (girls sing?), King of the World (synth line arranged for horns), Fire in the Hole (fat chance), etc.

By the way, a drummer friend of mine met Peter Erskine and claims he said that he hated playing "Reelin'" in 1993 so much that he had some other song in the same tempo piped into his headphones while playing it . Highly questionable, but that's what he says. Wonder if that's why he wasn't invited back.

As for unreleased and rarities, they've got the following charts:
Our Lawn
Fall of '92 (rather dated, and a demo version of it was finally released)
True Companion
Wet Side Story
Cash Only Island
Western World (and anything else Donald did on his solo tour that SD hasn't done yet)

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:19:45 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

1. Ray needs a hug.

2. Anyone who feels seriously left out of the "special shows" should realize that in this brave new technological age EACH AND EVERY SONG from each and every "special show" will, shortly after the show's conclusion, be available from the usual sources in the usual places. For example, last tour, lil' old me, with no particular technological expertise, trade goods, credit card #, etc., was able to enjoy Walter belting out "Gaucho" the morning after the song first appeared in the setlist.

3. Just saying. Deep breath guys. See you in NYC.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:14:51 ET
Posted by: Mobile Home lyrics,

I'm very excited at the prospect of finally deciphering the actual lyrics to Mobile Home and Wetside Story. Although knowing the boys, they'll probably change the lyrics.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:08:01 ET
Posted by: Let's not forget,

"This All Too Mobile Home"

Great closer, already road tested. Ok, well 30 years ago.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 11:43:01 ET
Posted by: beach, bum

just because one show says "dawn of the dan" first 3 albums does not mean they are going to play kings, pearl or charlie freak.

they will play do it again, reelin, bodhidattva, my old school ,pretzel, rikki. then play other greatest hits for the rest of the show

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 11:32:51 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Sorry Hoops... I looked back and you did mention Wetside Story.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 09:10:54 ET
Posted by: H, ...again

Wow. Scroll down to Jim Beard's bio. Those are some heavy credentials right there!

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 07:51:48 ET
Posted by: H,

Sorry... meant to say 2nd Arrangement was written in the late seventies.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 07:49:43 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Looks to me like the Special Setlists are already announced for some shows other than the Beacon. I'm sure more will be added in time. Since NY is their home base and the only city where they do that many shows in a row it makes sense to offer up one of the special sets each night.
Of course the Rarities thing has me intrigued. I have a pretty strong feeling they will play 2nd Arrangement... it is after all the rarest of the rare. A couple of other songs that no one has mentioned are Cash Only Island and Wetside Story. I was fortunate enough to hear both of these at the Va. Beach show in '96. Obviously they were slated to be on 2vN but didn't make the cut.

On the subect of 2nd Arrangement... here's something that crossed my mind last night. Snowbound was written by Don and Walt in the early eighties and it showed up on Donald's solo album in '93. Second Arrangement was written by Don and Walt in the late eighties. Wouldn't it be something if it showed up on DF's upcoming solo album?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 02:01:30 ET
Posted by: downers stay home, just keep spinning, Ray

I will make as many shows as I can. I just hope I run into Ray at one of them so I can bathe in the warm glow of our shared appreciation and camaraderie .... NOT.

I guess some people just can't take "yes" for an answer.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 23:04:42 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Well, I don't think I'll be able to make it to New York, so I'm guess I'm stuck with one of their "standard chum bucket shows." Man, it really sucks to be a Steely Dan fan this summer.

(in case this post gets misinterpreted, I'm being sarcastic).

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:48:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I have to agree with Danfiend on this one. One might expect that, on the very day the boys announce the kind of sets many here have been begging for, their would be joy and celebration on a Dan fan board.

But apparently anything other than pissing and moaning about this event is "tiresome". I think someone needs a hug...or a drink.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:29:04 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Lurker Ray

While your concern for people who won't be able to make it to NYC is admirable, your approach is all wrong. Today is a day of celebration and you're holding a milk pitcher filled with piss for everyone's Corn Flakes. We're all big boys and girls here. For those who will miss NYC, although it will suck, they will survive. If you don't see how your attitude is not making anything better, YOU'VE lost touch!

I just hope there will be a concert CD or DVD so that we all will get to experience it at some point.


Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:05:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Danfiend & Deano,

If you two actually think that ANY Steely Dan Show advertised as any
of the nights below....

"Aja", "Gaucho", or "The Royal Scam" � Plus: Setlist is one of three classic Steely Dan albums in its entirety � Aja, Gaucho, or The Royal Scam � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

By Popular Demand: Fans have always found a way to let Fagen and Becker know what they want to hear. This setlist represents oft-requested songs of recent years.

Dawn of The Dan: Featuring songs from Steely Dan's groundbreaking first albums of the '70s � Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, and Pretzel Logic � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

21st Century Dan: Featuring songs from 2003's Everything Must Go and 2000's Grammy Album Of The Year Two Against Nature � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

Rarities: The unreleased, the mythic, the reborn, the rarely-if-ever-heard; On this numinous Night of Nights, all will be revealed (along with additional selected favorites and hits)

....wouldn't have sold like hotcakes in cities like LA, Chicago, Toronto, Seattle, Atlanta (They also have two nights booked by the way)or any larger market on the current tour - you have both lost touch.

Sorry that do to your financial difficulties that you won't be able to attend Dean, but your milk toast, patronizing, "just happy to live vicariously through others" dribble has become quite tiresome this evening.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:55:31 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, wowowowowow

Wow, reading this recent update just made my eyes roll to the back of my head. Steely Dan's website mentioning such words, phrases and concepts as 'rarities' and 'songs from Can't Buy a Thrill' and 'playing both if the formers' in a non-sardonic/sarcastic context?

Color me freaking amazed with shades of ecstatic shock. That's it, I'm gonna go all out and list everything I wanna hear from each of these awesome categories (minus the Aja, Scam and Gaucho nights of course!) Apologies if none of you like the gushing of an indulgent fan! :P

Popular Demand
1. 2nd Arrangement
2. Gold Teeth II
3. King of the World
4. Throw Back the Little Ones
5. Charlie Freak

1. A Pre Dan/Walk it Like You Talk It/First SD Single song- Yeah and I know I'm certifiably insane! :P

2. Kulee Baba- What an understated masterpiece. "Kuuuuuuuleee baba, coming your way every sunday!"

3. The Bear- Must include that 'evil merry-go-round' intro!

4. Can't Write Home About You- A tender, succulent melody that went to waste sadly.

5. Anything of extreme rarity status such as Shanghai Breakdown, Heartbreak Souvenir, Gullywater, Megashine City, Shuffling Up Your Downs etc etc etc

Dawn of the Dan
1. Turn that Heartbeat Over Again- Simply my personal favorite from the Dan's mighty arsenal. "Love your mother, Love Your brother, Love 'em til they run for cover!" Amen.

2. Razor Boy- The vibes, man! It's all in the Vibes!

3. Change of the Guard- The quintessential concert closer for the Dan of the olden days, now updated for the encore of 2011.

4. Your Gold Teeth- The under-appreciated first GT song. Those Santanaesque leads rock!

5. Kings- I always found this one to be fit the The Royal Scam aesthetic anyway. Plus, it already featured a back up singer arrangement so the Embassy Brats are good to go!

21st Century Dan
1. Jack of Speed- The ultimate chill out song.
2. Negative Girl- Hearing this puppy live is a novelty in itself.
3. Slang of Ages- Becker's vox at their best.
4. Almost Gothic- Best Steely Dan crooner ever.
5. Lunch with Gina- Another moody cruiser.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:18:13 ET
Posted by: DRHey19, Chicago, IL

I mentioned to those on the Green Room Chat earlier tonight that Boz Scaggs stated in an interview that there is a possibility for more Dukes of September shows in the future with a recording for PBS. Here's the link: This may have already been posted here closer to when it was released back in February. I wonder if the possibility is still there, being that SD plans on touring through the summer and into the fall. Boz and Michael McDonald are on the road together again this year.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:16:21 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 20:48:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Actually, I think the poor economy works against them doing one of these, let's face it...esoteric setlist shows, in anywhere other than a big market where the fan base can support multiple shows. How many of those attending a concert really want to hear unreleased material? "I paid $100 to see Steely Dan and they played a bunch of stuff I never heard before" is the likely response.

The Beacon is like a home base for them, and a place they are relatively sure they can sell out on multiple nights, with just about any setlist. That simply may not be the case in most markets/venues.

Their traditional setlist (which includes many of their hits as well as some deeper cuts) has proven to be successful for many years. (It's interesting to not as much as we complain about the lack of deep cuts in those sets, many fans and some critics complain they leave out hits in favor of lesser known tunes.) Also, the full album format proved to be pretty successful last year, so one would expect them to continue with that, when possible (two shows or more at one venue). Aja makes the most sense for the average fan, if only one album can be played.

With that said, I would expect you may hear one or two of these long awaited nuggets at any given show. And as has already been noted, if these long-awaited shows prove to be successful, they may extend the tour and repeat these shows elsewhere. More likely, IMO, if successful they may incorporate these tunes (and possibly setlists) next tour.

For now, I view these shows as something extraordinarily special. I also find criticizing them, because they aren't in your town, or because you won't be able to make it, rather petty. I almost certainly won't be able to attend the Beacon shows (mostly due to a cash issue) but I look forward to hearing from those who do attend. And hope the shows are documented and maybe even repeated in the future.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 20:03:24 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Lurker Ray

This is something they've never tried before. I look at these specialty nights as market research. If fan reaction and ticket sales are favorable I'm sure they'll expand the themes to other markets later.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:53:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

It just seems like a big slap in
the face to me Young Wu.

If they were ONLY doing shows
in NYC this year then it would
make sense. But after everyone
else in the country buys their
tickets to the standard chum bucket
show, they announce this just seems
very unfair.

I mean really, take the momentous
tour of 2009. You could see all
of the same "special nights" in all
of the major markets, NYC, LA,
Chicago & Boston. Or take the two
historic back-to-back nights at
Roseland in 2003. They did the
EXACT same two nights in LA.

We have come to expect fair choices.
We know that NYC is going to get MORE shows,
that is a given. But to only do the "super
special nights" in NYC?!?! Did only
NYC buy CDs & tickets all these years?
This just reeks of elitism and is not on the
same fair playing field Steely Dan fans
have come to expect from Walter & Donald.
Not to mention, I'm sorry, but the
Beacon is a turd.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:48:30 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, NJ

Rarities night????? Dawn of the Dan night????? Sail the waterways maybe????? Dallas maybe???? Just drooling a little ,,sorry

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:43:08 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi 'til September

I know one thing for sure: Upon hearing either the opening guitar riff of "Second Arrangement" or the pedal point in the intro of "Kulee Baba" there will be a pandemonium that makes our reaction to the debut of "Everything Must Go" in Roseland '03 look like a group hiccup. I know I'm gonna lose it if I ever had it to begin with.

I haven't been this excited SINCE Roseland '03. That's saying something. I hope the next four months go by quickly and those 10 days in NYC go by slowly.

Four months . . . It's Countdown To Ecstasy y'all!!

DanFiend for Life

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:10:27 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Lurker Ray, I do have to agree with you... why only NYC? That does annoy me. They gotta shake up the setlist for the rest of the country.

I mean, everyone is going nuts because New York is getting rare stuff, early stuff, unreleased stuff, and 21st Dan... but are the rest of us really gonna get Peg/Josie/Aja again? I really don't think I can handle that.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:08:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Anon Debbie Downer,

Sorry to sh*t in your corn flakes.

I am excited, but like a lot of
hurting families and people in
this country who unlike me, can't
go to NYC, this is sad news and
just feeds into the have/have-not
mentality that is so prevalent
in our country right now.

Even Paul Simon is doing "special"
club dates all across the country.
Not just in NYC. And Prince
is selling great seats for $25.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:45:06 ET
Posted by: downers go home, the pits, now

Well what do you know, Lurker Ray has found a cloud for every silver lining. What a shocker.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:34:33 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Donald has sung "Any World" live before. Milwaukee 2006.

Well there goes the tax return. But Hoops raises a new quagmire - will they just do these "special" shows in NYC or will they come to selected larger markets like LA in late Oct - Nov and give these markets a taste? Or are they going overseas in Nov?

I can't chance it. I'm going to pull the trigger and go for "Dawn Of The Dan", "Gaucho"(which was my favorite night in 2009)and "Rarities" in NYC. Fly in on the 14th & out on the 18th. There is no way I can come to NYC two weekends in a row. I'm am pissed that means I will miss "21st Century Dan" unless they bring it to LA in Nov.

Speaking of pissed, either way this news is going to piss off a lot of hardcore fans who can't come to New York and who are going to get the standard chum bucket shows this summer. Either way, I see it as a win for those of us who can go and a big slap in the face to those who can't. I mean really, they have already done "Aja" nights ad nauseam. Why not give these markets like LA & Chicago/Milwaukee a better second special night this summer?

It also looks like they have eliminated the fan "Internet Voting" they promised. Which was a total sham in 2009 anyways. I have a sneaky feeling that "By Popular Demand" is going to be another scam. But we will see. I'll try and stay positive.

Like I said, great, amazing news for us "haves" and sad depressing news for the "have-nots". I mean really guys, why the slap in the face to the rest of the country? Why not rotate "special" shows every night this summer?! Even the "light" fan in middle America will still hear their hits. Right now, it just seems very elitist, especially in this TERRIBLE economy, to only do these shows in NYC.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:04:19 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa, FL

Wow !!! We might finally here a revved up
2011 version of "The Second Arrangement" after all.
I personally think that would be human catnip
to the Steely Dan audience.
Other than knowing when/if they're coming to
Tampa...I'll throw in my two cents by wanting to hear...
Dr. Wu
Here at the Western World
Rose Darlin'
Songs I hope they take a pass on would
include: Aja, Hey Nineteen, Chain Lightning, just because
I've seen them at some of the previous shows and
they no longer do it for me honestly. But its
not all about me. From the newer stuff, I'd
love to hear Blues Beach, Almost Gothic, Security
Joan or Everything Must Go....

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 16:16:28 ET
Posted by: Stan,

They have played Almost Gothic once. In 2000. In New Mexico.

Would be awesome live.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:40:30 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

OK, I am now TOTALLY excited for this tour!


Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:12:38 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Not sure I would be able to get through either of the following songs at the Beacon without fainting/starting crying/whatever.

- Almost Gothic
- The Second Arrangement
- Trans-Island Skyway
- The Great Pagoda Of Funn
- Brooklyn
- The Second Arrangement

These are not songs I enjoy. These are songs that defined me.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:06:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago


That's sort of what I'm wondering for any shows they might do in October or November. Maybe they will take what seems to work or be received by the fans and then add them to subsequent set lists. And whatever doesn't work, they can go back to the disclaimer that it was "Dawn of the Dan" night or something like that.

"Dawn of the Dan" could even rehash a Jay and The Americans tune or maybe have the girls do "I Mean To Shine."

Energizing stuff!


Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:03:43 ET
Posted by: peteb, UK

I am full of wonder at these developments. It occurs to me that in order to play the special nights in September, the band will have to learn several hours of material...ok many of them were involved in the recordings of the "21st Century Dan" but the Dawn of the Dan and at least a chunk of the Rarities shows are going to involve stuff that they've not done in this format before. Whichever way you look at this, that band are looking at learning new arrangements and rehearsing a lot of material. By the end of it, they will basically be able to play just about everything in the catalogue. Does it make sense to play this rare stuff just on that one night? Anyone have any insights?

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 13:13:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, after a little sleep & morning phone calls

Bin Laden's been caught. And now Steely Dan wants to do a rarities night. This all reminds me of Donald's comments on the NY Rock and Soul Revue "Live at the Beacon" CD when he says, "the war's almost over..."

Filled with fever dreams, thankfully, another huge fan couldn't sleep as well, took my call and we talked it out 'til daylight. THANKS! I think we run a support group here, don't we.

Dean, I have no inside info whatsoever. I didn't know about the 21st Century Dan--it's surprising, but not shockingly so. For that night, I will wager that we've heard those tunes before--playing "What A Shame" live for the first time since--what?--"The Walking Tour?"--would be tres cool.

But the rarities and "Dawn of the Dan" night took me entirely by surprise. My instincts have me leaning towards them playing yet-to-be-released tracks from solo stuff they are working on--or (gasp!) maybe for a future SD album?

Of course, my heart wants to hear unreleased '70s stuff. Maybe they will "reinvent" by playing "Were You Blind That Day" instead of "Third World Man." You never know, but maybe some lawyer has advised them to play such nuggets live once every 21 or 35 years or whatever is required to re-enforce copyrights.

Or maybe they want to put out a DVD after all these years and they want something fresh to put at the registers at Starbucks. It's been eleven years since "Plush" and "Aja"-- and it's common for even die-hards to inadvertently forget "Alive In America" when they list their favorite Steely Dan albums.

After the likes of the Carole King/James Taylor CD/DVD, The Beacon would be a great venue (promotionally) for a live DVD, although, let's face it, the most devoted would love a Roseland DVD. "They" could even get said DVD out in time to load the gift racks at Starbucks, the end caps at Best Buy, and the iTunes store in time for Christmas gift giving.

Anyways, my heart's desire is that they play "2nd Arrangement," "Kulee," "You Got The Bear," etc. Of course, by the time I finally heard "Dr. Wu" live a couple of years ago, I was disappointed it was only a 6 on a scale of 1 to 5 instead of a 9 out of 5.

Now we are not like 99% of those who attend Steely Dan shows so we are an esoteric bunch wanting an esoteric set. But I think some tracks like "2nd" and "Bear" have instantaneously infectious grooves that could even hold the beer-laden bladders of the "I-Wanna-Hear-Rikki-and-Peg" crowd. Compare that to when they played "My Rival" in Chicago in 2009--who could forget the communal potty run resulting in the constant interruption of casual fans returning to their seats during the climax of "Third World Man" and the "Gaucho" album?

As Donald once put it to Marian McPartland, my senses have been sculpted. Mostly for the better--that's why like so many of us, we grok Steely lyrics. But then to a lesser degree our senses have been sculpted for the worse. Long-time fans have also have developed a certain form of skepticism that also somehow captures the spirit of Steely Dan. How about the many times I would eagerly await the release of "Kamakiriad" only to have the date rolled back weeks or months just days before it was expected? Or how about when we first heard of a Steely Dan box circa 1993 and then ended up with the only new material in the form of a demo of "Everyone's Gone To The Movies." (PLEASE NOTE: The box was GREAT for other reasons--namely as a way of making up for the whole mix-up in CD masters by MCA. And don't forget the fine booklet, too.) Or how about being teased with Donald ending most shows in 1996, 2000 and 2003 with "SeeYahNextYearrhhrr!" Of course, who knew he meant a year on a different planet as opposed to an earth year?

So right now, it's really a tough call in my mind as to what they have planned by "unreleased." The word "unreleased" also could apply to any show in 1993, 1994 and 1996, for that matter, where they played "Book of Liars," "Fall of '92," "Our Lawn," "Jack of Speed" (Walter's arguably better version), "Wet Side Story," etc. Obviously, only they--and their hairdressers--know for sure what they have planned.

And still, I'm wondering: What do they have planned for October and November? I think there will be shows then--but where and what sort of content will they have?

As for "Katy Lied" being played live, that's really been in my mind. Based on the official SD newsletetr, t now sounds like it won't happen this tour. On a long shot, maybe they will inadvertently play most of the album some night, somewhere, unexpectedly.

Many of the most devoted SD fans have "Katy Lied" listed as their favorite, despite the memories of recording horrors it conjures up for our heroes. I think it's because that album was somehow a tipping point to Donald and Walter more fully realizing jazz influences in their albums. IMHO, "Katy" and "Royal Scam" had to happen first before "Aja."

Anyhoo. In the past few days, I was just writing a justification as to how it would be perfect for the Steely Dan Orchestra to reinterpret and perform that one in its entirety. My explanation has at least half the album performed by someone other than Donald on vocals--mainly because for whatever reason, he seems to want to share vocals. Obviously they have already done "Black Friday;" "Bad Sneakers;" "Daddy..." (with Walter on vox); "Dr. Wu" (although not many times); "Everyone..." (again, with Walter on vox); "Chain Lightning" (I like the version in 2006 at Scranton with the girls on a lot of vocals); and "Any World" (with Jeff Young, but it needed more work, IMHO).

So here's my ideas for "Katy."

Have Jon Herington do lead vocals on "Rose Darlin'" Donald may want to step back from by track three and the jangly guitars of the studio version and vocal character suit Jon. I'm basing this on his performance on the 2006 Donald Fagen Band version of "Here At The Western World" and especially his great, recent performance at The Bitter End which I experienced on webcast.

Some of you will say that "Any World..." could be a guest spot by Mike McDonald, but that won't happen--look, they didn't even have Mike McD do backing on"Peg" in 2006, as I recall. But I could see the girls doing that one, trading verses. I love the girls on "Dirty Work" and "Parker's Band" but they need something fresh. This could be something new for them. The girls do a fine job on "Dirty Work," but for me it's tinged with some misogyny, even though they are just basically character acting when they sing. I like the thought of them doing something a little more lyrically introspective and liberating than "Dirty Work." "Any World" kinda fits that in my book.

And that leaves what I consider one of the most delightfully strange SD tracks, "Throw The Little Ones." When Joe Roccasano covered it, it made me realize what an amazingly versatile composition it is. It has lots of room for interpretation and re-arrangement. Make "Throw Back..." an affair for the whole band as a sort of revue finale! Maybe Michael Leonhard does a verse, one of the ladies does a verse, maybe Walter on another couplet, Donald there on some key verse to underscore some line. Think along the lines of "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again." Every one joins in to sing the chorus, inciting the crowd to join in. What a rousing end to the live performance of a great Steely Dan album that has always been a bit under the radar!

Well, when I start suggesting hypothetical arrangements to masters Becker and Fagen, I know that I'm too full of myself and should stop.

That said, I hope they make my wildest drams come true and play my heart's desire. And I think my heart's desire is the desire of many of us here.

Fly low and be cool,


P.S. Can anyone recommend a good ABRIDGED or CONDENSED version of "The Chicago Manual of Style?"

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:42:51 ET
Posted by: peteb,

>Chris, nh

>If I hear Kulee Baba live, I might just kill myself so I can die happy

....amen to that. Well it promises to be a week at the Beacon that many of us have been hanging out for for a very long time. So, those shows need to sell out and then some - thus sending the message back to the band that could just get us out of this greatest hits treadmill.

Now where's that damn Mastercard....

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:33:32 ET

Youg Wu for you: (go Bills)
in no particular order
1-throw back the little ones
3-razor boy
4-everything you did
5-boston rag

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:57:35 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi for now

Why is Katy Lied is the odd man out here? That's one of my favorite SD albums. They HAVE to find a way to work it in too! C'mon D&W!!

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:46:02 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Hitchhiking to NYC...

"Dawn of The Dan"??!!
"21st Century Dan"??!!

Holy shit!
They better bring some of this magic to Canandaigua... otherwise I'm gonna be in a major depression this summer.

Also, I like seeing Doctor Wu, King of the World, and Your Gold Teeth II in many of the Top 5 lists... hopefully we get at least one of them this tour.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:25:04 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, wetting my pants

Dr. Wu (yep, again!)
King Of The World
Night By Night (what, 10 years already?)
Throw Back The Little Ones
----------------- --------------- --------------

(FYI-Paul Simon will be the musical guest on SNL this coming Saturday, May 14th @ 11:30pm est NBC tv.)

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:25:04 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

FINALLY we know what's gonna happen in NYC for Shuffle Diplomacy and it looks like I'm gonna spend a little more time in NYC than I originally planned. There is now 7 dates at the Beacon:

Sep 14 "Dawn of The Dan"
Sep 16 "Gaucho" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 17 "Rarities"
Sept 19 "Aja" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 20 "The Royal Scam" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 22 "By Popular Demand"
Sep 23 "21st Century Dan"

Yours truly will be at all 7. Presales start on May 15th and go on sale to the general public on May 20th. It's time to plan people!!

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:16:32 ET
Posted by: Ports, Minneapolis

I'm sure this topic may have come up in past years, but it would be great (especially this year) if the boys released a box set of the Beacon shows. Just get it all out on a live cd/dvd.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 09:46:27 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Dean, that was my read of it too. Of course, that's what I want to hear. Will definitely have to make the trek out to NYC for that one, regardless.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 08:48:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

What a wonderful surprise this is. I only wish they would do these other setlists in some of the other venue3s.

As for the rarities, my guess (based purely on the wording) is that it will include both new yet-to-be released stuff and old unreleased stuff.

Let's be clear, I'm not second guessing Jim if he has the inside word. But it sounds like he's simply speculating based on the description. To me the description seems to indicate some older (mythical, rarely heard) tunes will be included.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:17:45 ET
Posted by: Bob,

I think Hoopster nailed it. The unreleased tracks will be from forthcoming solo albums and not Kulee or 2nd Arrangement. Otherwise they'd be more up front about it.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:13:51 ET
Posted by: Bob,

I think Hoopster nailed it. The unreleased tracks will be from forthcoming solo albums and not Kulee or 2nd Arrangement.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:04:17 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

If I hear Kulee Baba live, I might just kill myself so I can die happy.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 06:39:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, still awake

Now that I'm getting a grip on it, maybe "the un-released" means tracks from those upcoming DF and WB solo albums mentioned in Billboard last Fall. Well, maybe we won't hear the likes of "Kulee Baba" and "Second Arrangement."

Here's the text from


"Aja", "Gaucho", or "The Royal Scam" � Plus: Setlist is one of three classic Steely Dan albums in its entirety � Aja, Gaucho, or The Royal Scam � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

By Popular Demand: Fans have always found a way to let Fagen and Becker know what they want to hear. This setlist represents oft-requested songs of recent years.

Dawn of The Dan: Featuring songs from Steely Dan's groundbreaking first albums of the '70s � Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, and Pretzel Logic � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

21st Century Dan: Featuring songs from 2003's Everything Must Go and 2000's Grammy Album Of The Year Two Against Nature � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

Rarities: The unreleased, the mythic, the reborn, the rarely-if-ever-heard; On this numinous Night of Nights, all will be revealed (along with additional selected favorites and hits)

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:22:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, Re: Latest Steely Dan Newsletter?

Well they won't extend the tour at the Beacon into Sept 24--Celtic Thunder is booked.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:19:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, Re: Latest Steely Dan Newsletter?

Now I'll NEVER get to sleep! :-)

Could September 17 BE THE DAY that they perform The Second Arrangement? Kulee Babba? Here At The Western World (1976 version, not the 2006 DFB version)?

I'm already doublebooked on 9./17....yeowwwww!

Do I finish my item, "MaKing the Kase for Katy Lied?" (Have Jon do the vox on Rose Darling and the girls on Chain Lightning, Gold Teeth II & Throw Back The Little Ones?

Should I sell my car to attend the 17th? Hmmmm....

I think this calls for a chat night this week.

How about tonight at 8 PM ET/7 PM CT? Be there!

In the mean time, I'll have a hard time sleeping...



Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:17:57 ET
Posted by: Sparkle of your China, DungPow

Just seen the set lists for the multi night shows.
You can too....

Those last 2 nights at the Beacon could live..... in infamy.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 04:55:04 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

This is no one night stand, it's a real occasion:

Sep 14, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Dawn of The Dan"
Sep 16, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Gaucho" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 17, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Rarities"
Sep 19, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Aja" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 20, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "The Royal Scam" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 22, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "By Popular Demand"
Sep 23, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "21st Century Dan"

Lord, thank you for answering our prayers.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 21:19:24 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, on the deck

1 Dr Wu
2 Rose Darling
3 Your Gold Teeth 2
4 Rikki
5 Chain Lightning

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 20:11:40 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, "Chicago," "On location," "Ooo-La-La!", "How's my little girl?", etc.

Speaking of Paul Simon, I'm insanely jealous of all of you who get to see him this tour. I've never seen him, and almost had a chance to go to the Toronto show a couple days ago, but it ended up being impossible.

Too bad, because I checked out the setlist and it's fantastic. So many classics (I've never seen the dude before, so I would need some of those solo greatest hits), plus some great deep cuts. His new album is fantastic, so it's like a perfect tour.

Oh well, if I had to chose between Paul Simon for the first time and Steely Dan for the 5th time, I'd have to go with the obvious choice...

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 19:50:16 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I had a Paul Simon 2011 SoCal Trifecta! -
2 shows at The Pantages LA &
1 show at Pechanga, Temecula (Where SD have played)
Amazing shows. Especially at the
tiny Pechanga Theatre. Highly
recommended - Especially the upcoming
DC show in the tiny 9:30 Club!

But "Gone At Last" along with a
video has been in the setlist
before "Large Marge", our lovely
Miss Phoebe actually passed. As far
back as the April 17th tiny club
date in Seattle at the Showbox.

Happy Mother's Day Miss Phoebe & Valerie

"The mother and child reunion is only a motion away...."

And you were so right in the Dandom
Newsletter today hoops, Phoebe stole
the show at Woodstock and the experience
that night driving in the blowing & drifting
snow was surpassed by the "bizzard" that
Miss Snow blew in.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 18:35:49 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

1: Dr Wu
2: King of the World
3: YGT(II)
4: Almost Gothic
5: Rose Darling (that would just sooo work live!!)

just imagine them in order 3, 2, 4, 5, 1...oh wowsie!

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:44:12 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

Saw Paul Simon and his killer 8-pc band at Massey Hall in Toronto Friday night. Fantastic show; highly recommend catching him on this tour if you can. Simon recently added "Gone at Last" to his set in tribute to the Phoebe Snow (he and Snow duetted on the tune on the Still Crazy After All These Years album in '75). Donald Fagen opines about Simon's background in the new Rolling Stone.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:43:44 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I've often wondered at many Steely Dan shows,

"Why Don't You Dance?"
-Raymond Carver, "Where I'm Calling From" 1988

"In ''Why Don't You Dance?'' a man whose marriage has collapsed puts his furniture up for sale in the front yard, where he has arranged it as it was inside his house, running out an extension cord so that the television and the record player work. A young couple come along and try out the furniture, stay for drinks and then, at the man's suggestion, dance together in the driveway. The intimacy of marriage is voided, exposed, re-enacted and distanced, all at once. The moment may be said to suggest memory, art, the astonishing bond of intimacy among a world of strangers, the ghostliness of one's attachment to any place or relationship."

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:31:15 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

"Here at the Western World" is a beautiful, very melancholy tune. Played once? twice? last tour, if memory servesm and then inexplicably dropped from the setlist. The sound I heard out on the intardnets was very close to the studio version, DF's vocals much huskier, lost, & sad. A real highlight.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:30:46 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, hoping and praying

...and furthermore:

Here in the Western World
Janie Runaway
The Things I Miss the Most
Lunch With Gina
Everything Must Go

Sorry, just couldn't help myself -

Desperate in Europe

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:24:00 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

1. Pretzel Logic
2. Chain Lightning
3. What a Shame About Me
4. Any track from Circus Money or Eleven Tracks, sung by WB
5. The Second Arrangement

Overture request: Sonny Rollins, "St. Thomas"

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:22:21 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, Deep in the heart of Europe

Dear Wonder Twins,

PLEASE come to Europe in Autumn '11 or Spring 2012 and include the following "Top Five"in the set list:

Fire in the Hole
Any Major Dude
Your Gold Teeth II
Throw Back the Little Ones

Until then my SHM-SACD's and Audiophile masters will hold me over...

Watching and Waiting,

Prague Polo

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:42:54 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, One moment of your time...

Just to clarify my post real quick... when I only commented on Pretzel Logic not being played nearly enough, I was alluding to the fact that it's a semi-regular song in the sets... but it only appears half a dozen times or so a tour. So out of the "regulars" they play, it's not a permanent - as I believe it should be.

...I just reread at my post and thought it was odd that the one song out of the five that I said doesn't get played enough is actually the one that gets played more than the other four combined. Thank you for your time.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:42:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey Dean/ Your right my Steely Bro' I should not bring the looks into it but they put it out there cause its all they really have to offer. So to Brittany/ Christina and Lady Got me please come to Ohio and dress casual ( nothing) and we will invite Dean to my house and he and I will explain the merits of Steely Dan to you. Just kidding my Steely Bro!

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:21:57 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


I'm not sure how you managed to sit through 30 minutes of Gaga.

The only thing in your post I disagree with is: she really is very far from "hot". She is actually pretty much of a dog, at least IMO.

And, like Madonna before her, her major talent seems to be in the marketing area. It seems the music itself if far down the list of what is important to most of these artists. At least Christina Aguilera can sing. If she wasn't so obsessed with the image/marketing aspects of becoming (and being) a star, she might be tolerable.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:58:07 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

These five would get me in the Mountain Winery despite any lackluster sound--and I don't think I'd notice if there was / wasn't a backdrop...

1. Your Gold Teeth
2. Your Gold Teeth II (I'd even settle for the instrumental, pre-Katy Lied version that they played on early tours.)
3. This All Too Mobile Home
4. Fire in the Hole
and, why not 5. The Second Arrangement

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:53:51 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Right on Young Wu/ Dr wu/ Pretzel logic/ The Royal Scam/ Reelin[ w/ the horns] the wet side story

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:41:13 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

So with the tour about 2 months off, and with all the hope of a nice fresh setlist (crazy, I know), I thought it might be interesting to ask the fine Dan Fans to name the 5 songs that they would most like to see in the setlist.

My top 5:
1. Doctor Wu
2. Change of the Guard
3. King of the World
4. Your Gold Teeth II
5. Pretzel Logic - doesn't get played nearly enough, IMO

So, Dandom... what say you?

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:31:17 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey My Steely friends/ Woke up early this morn and flipped on the telly and watched in horror about 30 minutes of Lady GaGa live in concert. Is this the state of music these days? Is there really people out there who think this is talent? She is a freak show and nothing about it is about the music. Hey look at me I am young and hot and can afford to put on a trainwreck called monsters ball!!I feel sorry for her Piano teacher who must be sick. Please Don and Walt hurry to the Zoo and restore my faith in the arts. And a royal kick in the ass to the real musicians on stage w/ her if your hungry you can always get a reg job cleaning up after people or mowing Golf courses. Anything is more honorable than backing up that no talent piece of shit. Wow Ifeel better now

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 12:36:36 ET
Posted by: A glass of whine, ...

Dagnabbit! This forum.Internet-thingimagingy is gettin' complicated! :)

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 08:00:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, as always, in chicago, on the quick....AND HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY!

Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.

How do you know that there is only one poster named Lewis?

There are three people who post as "Jim." Sometimes I'm one of them.

How do you know I don't post as Lewis?

Whether accurate and insider or not, I am pretty certain that such people prefer to remain anon. When you (Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.) probe so much, you pretty much assume they will go away. Aggressive doubting also has a similar effect.

Notice I never pick at or ask or wonder or doubt -- I leave it alone.

Right now, the only people I want to probe are those who posted as Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.

I guess that's hard for some to do.

So please -- drop it. Not even a response.

Best wishes,


Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 01:34:04 ET
Posted by: Just a hunch....,

Why not check the cryptic email address that Lewis posted? Looks like he's the real "Lewis" to me. And no one ever said that Lewis was
not a little snarky and likes to cut to the chase.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 20:04:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Why would one assume this Lewis is the Lewis who has posted some good info in the past? This board has no registration and/or sign in. Our handles are not protected. Some of us have had trolls use our names in the past.

With that said, why would the legit Lewis post something as over the top as "that whinery show is gonna stink beyond belief" instead of something that reflected knowledge and intelligence? Furthermore, why would the absence of a background of any kind turn a SD show into something that "stink(s) beyond belief"?

I have attended Dan concerts with little or no background enhancement and I assure you, they were quite fantastic.

And if the sound has dramatically changed at the Winery, why not simply mention that, instead of making such a troll-like comment?

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 16:13:15 ET
Posted by: Not So Fast Dean......,

Lewis is not a troll. A lot of great & accurate Steely Dan live & Mclaren Productions info has come from him over the years.

If Lewis says that the The Mountain Winery show is a waste of money then I would differ to Lewis. He must have some insights to the venue, the seating and the poor quality of the sound there.

Perhaps also maybe Lewis is letting us know that a fabulous new Mclaren electronic backdrop will be making it's debut this tour and because of limitations at the substandard Mountain Winery it cannot be used there.

Don't judge a book by it's pictures. Pictures of the rehabbed Beacon look nice, but we all know that the sound there still is suspect and has never matched the experience of Roseland.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 11:07:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Scurvy Brother,

I'm sure you know to ignore clueless trolls like Lewis, but I thought I'd chime in here and give you my 2 cents.

Mountain Winery is a fantastic place to see any concert, IMO. Now keep in mind I was there before the remodeling, but based on pictures I have seen it seems to have retained its intimate and picturesque setting. I saw Van Morrison there and the sound was pretty damn good.

There is only seating for about 1,700 people at Mountain Winery, so just about any seat is pretty good, including the bleachers I would think.

Here's a picture of the stage and most of the seats:

This photo shows the position of the bleachers (above the seats):

There are more pictures here:

I think most performers would be inspired by playing in such a beautiful setting. Expect a terrific show.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 05:21:21 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Istanbul

Save your money
That whinery show is gonna stink beyond belief.

Date: Fri, May 06, 2011, 17:14:47 ET
Posted by: Coastie, Sacramento

Regarding the Saratoga pre-sale:
1. You can do a Google search for citibank credit card number series. You'll get results that give you the first six digits. Those numbers are relatively generic, and will get you into the Ticketmaster pre-sale system, however, you'll need a citibank credit card to complete the purchase. So unless you have a citibank credit card, don't bother.

2. The easier alternative is to buy via the Live Nation app. If you have an iPhone or other app capable cell phone, then download the Live Nation app, then search for the Saratoga concert, and buy your tickets via your phone. It works just fine, and you can use any credit card you want.

Date: Thurs, May 05, 2011, 15:57:07 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

presale code saratoga:
first 6 numbers of your citicard account

Date: Thurs, May 05, 2011, 14:25:27 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, Salt Lake City

Does any one know the Presale code for the Saratoga, CA concert?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 17:48:43 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - HOT,HOT HOT! Out Early And At The Pool

"Mandota" is also an amazing instrumental
from the "Let's Get It On - Deluxe Edition".
May I also suggest the "What's Going On -
Deluxe Edition". More great unreleased
gems along with a complete unreleased concert.
Or wait until May 24 when the new "What's
Going On - 40th Anniversary 2 CD/LP Super
Deluxe Edition" comes out. It comes with
the famous "Detroit Mix" released on 180 gram
vinyl for the first time!

hoops -

I know I've asked this in the past, but
what about appointing some moderators
here on the Blue? They could help delete
that pesky spam everytime it hits and
you are away.

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 17:00:18 ET
Posted by: beach, bum

any thoughts on why this tour will be the same as 2009 ?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 16:39:02 ET
Posted by: Another Scurvy, Brother

Any thoughts on the bleachers at Mountain Winery?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 08:59:15 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower

update at

August 1 show added at nTelos Wireless Pavilion, Portsmouth, VA

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 22:33:44 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Thanks for that great info, Hoops. I have always been a big MG fan, but had no idea the Crusaders played on that album.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 20:10:45 ET
Posted by: h,

Song No. 3


Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 19:45:13 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick

About 7-8 years ago, a 2-CD, "Deluxe Edition" of Marvin Gaye's 1973 "Let's Get It On" album was released. What essentially became The Crusaders were session players on this album. Pay special attention to the bonus tracks near the end of CD 1. Especially consider "Song No. 3" and "Cakes" which are instrumentals pretty much performed by what would become The Crusaders. "Let's Get It On" is, of course, an amazing album, and the Deluxe Edition is like three amazing albums. Seek it out. Amazing so much stuff went without unofficial release for like 30 years, including the stuff with what became The Crusaders.

Knock on wood, I hope the spam stuff is fixed for a while--eventually it will come back. Thanks again, Dean, Doc and others.


Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 13:56:26 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

On the topic of the Crusaders, has anyone seen them touring around with another Dan-affiliate, Steve Gadd? They did a pretty nice show at New York's Blue Note a few years back, and I seem to remember an ad for them playing Yoshi's in the Bay not too long ago.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 10:43:26 ET
Posted by: P, NYC


"Those Southern Knights"
The Crusaders w/Larry Carlton


Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 09:44:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


I'm with Gus. Free as the Wind is pretty damn good. Chain Reaction is another you might want to listen to.

Man, it's been a long time since I've heard those albums. I still listen to Larry Carlton(1978 GRP) fairly regularly.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 09:04:57 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA


For the Crusaders I would recommend "Free As The Wind" from the mid-70s. I have not spun that one in a long time, but I believe it had one Larry Carlton composition on it.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 08:07:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Could any of you fine men help out a fellow Steeler with a recommendation for an introductory Crusaders album? Preferably one featuring Larry Carlton. Any input much appreciated.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 20:01:05 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

My love for SD was determined while Similac was still on my breath. I've since, subconsciously, been searching for musicians to take that top spot in my eyes. I still long, in fact, to find a NEW artist with an incredible package--harmonic ingenuity, poetic lyricism, a paying homage to the past while inventing in the present, being ahead of their time, possessing a fierce intelligence, being unafraid to make social commentary, approaching the foibles of life with humor, irreverence, and a slight contempt, all from a non-linear viewpoint, and atop all of this, nothing less than virtuosic musicianship. Then I realize this is D&Ws formula. The best way for anyone to become great, is to create their own formula and execute it well. It's the best lesson for a student musician like myself to learn.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 17:10:35 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh, pgh

"I saw the fireworks, I believed that I was dreaming
till the neighbors came out screaming...

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Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 16:59:31 ET
Posted by: Lester the NF, from the foot of Mt. Beldoni

Sending out Third World Man and Don't Take Me Alive (they didn't) for recent events.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 15:06:50 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

@Doc Mu

I was thinking that exact thing last earlier and had to listen to Security Joan today just to revel in the sweet sweet irony. Moments like these remind me why I am will always be a huge SD/DF/WB fan.


Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 11:46:59 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

An ironically satisfying day, given the tone and themes within Everything Must Go and Morph the Cat, clouds of fear and dysfunction that were captured in their observational way by Donald and the Dan. More personal than in the 70s though. May Mona now sleep at night, wherever she is.

It is good to live at the end of History.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 10:24:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


I'm relatively certain "The Donald" was originally used for Trump and then used ironically/humorously by some in reference to Fagen. As far as I know, Fagen never goes by "The Donald".

I admit some confusion with your question regarding "lose" and "loose". We spell the opposite of win as "lose" and something that isn't tight as "loose". Is that different than how you spell these words? If you see the opposite of win spelled as "loose" it probably is done tongue-in-cheek to represent the way some (perhaps The Donald for example) pronounce the word "lose". We have some pretty obnoxious accents here in the states...just as you do in England.

One way to combat the less-than-sincere "how are you?" is to answer, if full detail, exactly how you feel.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 07:02:16 ET
Posted by: Lester, Mt. Belzoni

I know that when Rush Limbaugh started taking calls from listeners on his radio show, he said not to expect a reply if you wanted to start the call by asking "how are you?" The practice at least goes back to the mid 90's

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 05:13:09 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Befuddled and bemused Brit question - having just watched President Obama's classy (clever and funny) nailing of that wealthy fool Trump (where are Biggie and Tupac etc), I have to ask whether referring to someone as 'The Donald' has some significant origin unknown to us over the pond. Or is it just a coincidence that it's the only first name to which I have seen the definite article appended, in two very different instances?

While I'm at it - when (and why) did you guys start spelling 'lose' as 'loose'? And do US interviewees on radio always begin by asking the interviewer, 'how are you?', or 'how ya doin'?' ? Even Donald did it on the recent clip about Roger Nichols. I've nothing against such polite niceties, of course, but am often amused when UK radio interviewers have to (rather tetchily) respond to a US 'down the line' contributor with 'I'm fine thanks', before getting on with the matter in hand.

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Date: Sun, May 01, 2011, 06:14:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

BTW: Don Breithaupt finally did respond saying simply that Walter wasn't available, despite his attempts to contact him even via Donald.

Thanks Don and Best wishes,


(And the spam thing will get fixed later. Thanks again.)

Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 23:41:27 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Having some spam problems--please ignore the spam here on the blue until later on Sunday, May 1 when I can fix it. Many thanks for your graciousness.

Re: 33-1/3 Aja: I can never get enough intelligent perspective on the Dan and an interview with Fagen is a quite a coup. The writing is excellent. But there's one thing missing: why wasn't Walter also interviewed for the book? Don has never explained this, despite my previously asking.

We have the Classic Albums series DVD on Aja where it has audio, video and, of course, Aja's co-creator Walter and the rest of the musicians, I think the Classic Albums series DVD on Aja is the "go to" for the album and what should be consulted before any thing else.

There appears to be two versions of the DVD: I own the one from 2000:

and another version from 2006 which I have never experienced:

Someday; I'd love to see a revised edition of the 33-1/3 Aja book with some of Walter's insights. I don't know that would ever happen but more realistically, maybe Don could write another Aja book that for another publisher that also includes Walter. Meanwhile, since Don has been able to get access to Donald, maybe he could again for a new33-1/3 book on "The Nightfly." I think that he'd do a wonderful job.



Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 16:32:54 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @ Don Breithaupt

Loved the book, Don. "Aja 33 1/3" may be succinct, but it is mighty. It appeased the Steely Dan fan, the Donald Fagen student, Musician and Music Theory nerd in me. I thought I'd long performed an exhaustive analysis of Aja, but your book gave a bit of new insight that made me appreciate it even more. I now wish you'd write a similar book for Royal Scam, Gaucho or The Nightfly. For now, I have my two copies of "Aja 33 1/3." May it go down in the annals of history for being one the best analyses of a Steely Dan album ever.


Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 13:22:08 ET
Posted by: F#, .net

I can deal with SD music being sold on Itunes, but this is blasphemy.

Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 08:48:18 ET
Posted by: Recommended reading,, The Steely Dan bookshelf

"Even I, a Steely Dan fan and a mere mortal who at a pinch can strum three chords on a guitar, enjoyed the book. Make that TWO chords."


Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 08:23:25 ET
Posted by: Rab, 3

Sorry Don. I thought you were a lock for that "Best book about Steely Dan's Aja containing fewer than 500 pages with actual interview with Becker and/or Fagen" award.

Date: Sat, April 30, 2011, 01:56:28 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

Just got in from playing keyboards at the 7th annual Canadian Smooth Jazz Awards, where Larry Carlton received a lifetime achievement trophy and was, to no one's surprise, completely approachable and willing to let us Dan/Joni/Crusaders fans nerd out! Great hang. The video tribute they had prepared for Larry was underscored by "Kid Charlemagne," natch. Yours truly was a double nominee, but came away empty-handed...

Date: Fri, April 29, 2011, 15:34:19 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

There's a very tasteful tribute to Phoebe Snow at the link below, which includes memories of her my numerous musicians...
Also, video...


Date: Fri, April 29, 2011, 11:59:10 ET
Posted by: Elgin, Boston

Catherine Russell profile in today's Boston Globe for Danfans

"Her solo career has gained enough momentum since the release of her acclaimed 2006 debut, �Cat�� (World Village), that she�s given up most of her other gigs, though she still performs with Steely Dan. Walter Becker and Donald Fagen have utilized several generations of jazz masters in Steely Dan, from Phil Woods to Chris Potter, and they clearly value that Russell is rooted in her parents� rich musical lineage.

�You can hear that history and soul in every note she sings,�� Fagen wrote in an e-mail. �Catherine�s style is just Catherine: traditional without sentimentality, original without pretense. She�s a natural, and we�re lucky to have her in our band.��"

upcoming Cat gigs w/her band:
Scullers in Boston Wed May 4
Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola at Jazz at Lincoln Center, NY, NY May 9

Date: Fri, April 29, 2011, 03:45:35 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lyle, L.A.

Screw Mr. Lyle, Any Way You Want It, and One Ticket to L.A.

I want to hear Packer Bud! ;-)

Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 13:01:55 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Thanks DanField! I remember listening to the TVN interview on cassette, and I (very nervously) called into the Becker episode. Will drop them a line!

Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 12:20:39 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Chi

One of my most favorite SD interviews is from a radio program called Rockline when Donald made an appearance in 1993 to promote Kamakiriad. I recorded it to cassette at the time and listened to it as much as I listened to Kamakiriad when it was released.(all day everyday for nine consecutive months) I missed it when D&W appeared together in 2000 to promote 2vN and when Walter appeared in 2008 to promote Circus Money. Point is, now Rockline is slowly releasing digital downloads of these interviews for a modest fee. It's all based on interest, of course, so if you're inclined, email the webmaster at and ask them to release into their archives:

Rockline Appearances:

Donald Fagen
May 26, 1993

Steely Dan
March 1, 2000

Walter Becker of Steely Dan
August 6, 2008


Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 10:37:16 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, the windy north

RIP Phoebe Snow. A wonderful talent and person.

I've mentioned before....too often for some :).....that my favorite musicians are SD & Bruce. As many of you know, there are crossovers between the 2. Here's a cool little story about Phoebe & Bruce early in their careers.


Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 07:57:54 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Anon, I like the sound of that!

Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 04:14:11 ET
Posted by: We Heart NY, And So Should You

Chris, your "nh" is New Hampshire, right? So maybe you're thinking of going to a Beacon show. My friend, I can't give details yet, but if you are a heavy Dan fan you should plan to stay the week. Same for anyone thinking about plane tickets or hotel rooms or days off from work. I shit you not.

"Honey I will be there, yes I'll be there..."
And so should you.

Date: Thurs, April 28, 2011, 00:02:39 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

So, we know Aja will be played this summer. Any thoughts on the others?

I know they mentioned Katy Lied at some point as a possibility somewhere (or maybe I just dreamt of it?). I have been digging that one pretty hard lately and would LOVE to see it. Plus, only a couple tunes left to learn at this point. (How great would that piano bit at the end of Throw Back the Little Ones be as a horn soli?)

Of course I think a repeat of 2009 is most likely; it was very successful and seemed to generate more buzz from the media than the 06-08 tours. And I'm sure we'll get a new (live) song or two thrown in there no matter what.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 22:17:16 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, It's my faux pas

My apologies, Hoops. When I was posting my last message I was kinda in the 'Heat of the Moment' and yeah it did show in my eyes. :P But forget my digression regarding 80's hit singles, I really just wanted to explain to the poster formally known as 'Huh', why I wasn't fulfilling his angry demands and that I will eventually contrary to his manners. Never meant to cause a controversy or anything and I totally understand where you're coming from.

@Danfiend: I'll ttyl, man.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 21:00:27 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago

To be clear, I don't own or deal with bootlegs at all. What I have are interview LPs and discs as well as other commercially released products that are quite rare. I'll be in touch @ Jimmy.


Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 20:26:13 ET
Posted by: @, Danfiend

Pls forward your contact info.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 20:18:54 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Caught up in a project but catching up.

So sad about Phoebe Snow. She was great when I first saw her in 1992 at thr Rock and Soul show. In 2007, I saw her at the Odebelle (sp?) show with Donald and Amy Helm. My memory was a little skeptical of her also being on the bill--she ended up steeling the show! What a great person, aside from her amazing voice.

Thanks to Dean and Doc for contacting me about the spambot concerns from yesterday. Those were all automated. Dean and Doc were the best kind of human.

Regarding Jim S/Jimmy Steels' posts:
As I understand it, properly and legally has rights to put out those demo recordings that have made the rounds through the years; Becker and Fagen aren't at all keen on them but they are certainly out there legally, much to their chagrin. They are not bootlegs. Also, as I understand it--based solely on Jim S's post-- owns the rights to put out three more recordings that haven't been out and will do so if the public expresses enough interest. Two things--no one said that they were out--just that if you wanted them out, then express interested to and they would consider it based on demand. I don't see why "Huh?" or anyone should have gone to those pages expecting to hear them immediately. All that said, I don't think Donald and Walter are keen on those being out there--why promote bad karma by pushing for the release of these songs?

Which brings me to the perennial topic of bootlegs, etc. Where you make posts, the following has been on the page where one makes a post. Been there for years. "Items violating the rights and/or privacy of Steely Dan, their associates and others are prohibited and will be removed. Example: Giving out a private phone number or open distribution (offering or requesting) of bootleg recordings. Items having nothing even remotely to do with Steely Dan will be removed sparingly, but at the facilitator's discretion; however, if such posts include a valid email address, then the poster will be contacted in an attempt to avoid misunderstandings."

In other words, what you do out of the realm of the Blue and is none of my business, but please don't use the site to offer, encourage otherwise tell how to get boots. That's not the same as saying "I know such-and-such a bootleg exists, I've heard it." On other hand, please no offering of sharing boots, rarities (unless you own the rights), etc. There are some posts that go beyond saying you have or heard them to offering.

Best wishes and many thanks,


Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 19:06:16 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Jimmy

I have a pretty esoteric list of rarities, some that aren't even on Barney's list --interview discs and LPs and a few other gems .[ ]


Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 17:45:39 ET
Posted by: Jimmy Steels, @Mr. Huh?!?!?!

My utmost apologies for upsetting you, Mr. Anon E. Mouse[ ].

I did not lie about Emax owning those specific songs either. They are listed on page 42 on this pdf. file of their catalog posted below (ONCE AGAIN! but as of now they are UNRELEASED. I only suggested calling Emax because the employee on there simply stated that Emax is more liable to release "Mr. Lyle" "One Ticket" and "Anyway" if people express interest by calling them up and asking about purchasing.

I innocently thought I'd be doing people like you a favor, good sir, since you're so intent on hearing rarities and suchlike.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 17:20:09 ET
Posted by: @ Huh?,

I see them listed, on page 42, like he said.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 16:00:53 ET
Posted by: Huh?,

Jim S -----------

Just went to the website you linked and nowhere did I find the songs
Mr. Lyle, Anyway You Want It or One Ticket to LA!!!!!

quote you bro - "If you are interested in hearing these simply drop a call to the Emax music website."

Why are you wasting our time again bro?!?!?!?!? Just like when you said you were going to post {Proud To Be Your Slave}in MP3 format so we could download it. Another waste of our time. Why do you keep yanking our chains bro?!?!??!

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 15:29:03 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago

I have an extra ticket to the Friday night show at Ravinia. It's a Pavilion seat on the left side. Contact me for further info if interested


Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 13:01:59 ET
Posted by: Jimmie, H

Was a Steely Dan Viewmaster disc ever produced?

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 10:03:52 ET
Posted by: BillyBobBamBoom,

I don't know what Jules thinks might have been "Photoshopped" out of the "Pretzel Logic" cover, but it needs to be pointed out that photo-editing existed for a century before Photoshop 1.0. Photo-editting was not uncommon, although it was a lot more tedious.


Seats for the Ravina Shows sold out like that, although there are obstructed-view lawn seats for $33 each, $38 the day of the show if there are any left.

Looks like a gig similar to 2009, from


Steely Dan will present two different concerts at Ravinia. On Aug. 12, the group will perform its milestone album Aja in its entirety along with select greatest hits. On Aug. 13, Steely Dan will perform songs requested via the internet plus select greatest hits.

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 09:52:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


As Pretzel Logic was released in 1974 and Photoshop didn't exist until 1990, I think it seems unlikely.

Of course, we know the cover to Countdown is a completely un-retouched photo of aliens housed in the Mansion at Area 51. (This is, of course, the original cover. There was a second cover which also reveals the ghostly images of the alien King and Queen. We now know the ethereal images of the alien Royalty are always seen when photos are taken of their people. Look closely and I bet you can see them mixing with the crowd at the British Royal wedding this weekend. The families are very close, I'm told.)

Date: Wed, April 27, 2011, 01:25:05 ET
Posted by: Jules, Nor Cal

Ok, are there parts of the cover of Pretzel Logic that are photoshopped?? check it out...

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 23:22:01 ET
Posted by: Danfan,

Phoebe Snow was an amazing musician and an even more amazing human being. She will be missed.

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 22:41:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - A Very Sad Day

We love you "Large Marge"

Heaven just gained 3 octaves

Rest your sweet soul Miss Phoebe Snow

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 21:02:59 ET
Posted by: Abu, In a Sad Place

Surely the world of music, and the world itself is going to miss the wonderful Phoebe Snow. Among other things, she graced the stage with DF's NY Rock & Soul Revue. Her truly inspired and soulful rendition of "At Last", still brings me goose bumps each time I hear it. She ended up sacrificing much of her career taking care of her daughter for 31 years.

RIP Phoebe

(Her fantastic cover of "At Last", in her memory):


Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 19:37:10 ET
Posted by: Jim S., you've got one ticket to LA, mr. lyle, anyway you want it

Hey all,

I dunno how many on here are aficionados of the recordings of B&F's early demos but I got the (big) news if you happen to be. A company by the name of Emax music has just acquired the rights to releasing those notorious songs that have been re-re-re-re-issued ad nauseum along with three completely unheard ones.

These new-oldies are Mr. Lyle, Anyway You Want it (Not sung by good ole Steve Perry either,) and One Ticket to LA. If you are interested in hearing these simply drop a call to the Emax music website. Prior to this, I contacted them and the kind receptionist said if there's enough interest in them, they'll be a large chance of three more Steely rarities seeing the light of day.

The songs themselves are listed on pg. 42 of their music catalogue. Cheers.

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 17:42:55 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, a sad place


I'll never forget your performances with The Donald at The Lone Star Roadhouse and with the boys SD at the Beacon. Thank you and god rest your special soul.

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 11:51:21 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Very sad to hear about Pheobe Snow. Thanks for posting the obit. I was not familiar with her career other than her work with the New York Rock and Soul Revue - she sounds like a genuine class act.

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 10:52:10 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Phoebe Snow obit:

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 10:39:19 ET
Posted by: Death, takes another...

R.I.P. Phoebe Snow

Date: Tues, April 26, 2011, 00:29:12 ET
Posted by: John,

Looking forward to the new touring season. Thanks to all for being here.

Date: Mon, April 25, 2011, 14:23:21 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

I caught the last hour or so of the 'No Static' SD tribute/cover band via the excellent live link posted by the Bitter End - 7am here so 2am in NYC I think. They certainly did a fine and enjoyable job playing music they clearly know and love, but weren't too precious about it - fun bit was when they dropped a two-guitar rendition of the guitar solo from 'Stairway to Heaven' into 'The Fez' (it worked)!

Jon H joined for My Old School and Kid C, but seemed a little perplexed - technical problems maybe, or perhaps an unfamiliar key?!

Date: Mon, April 25, 2011, 13:24:02 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Hutch bro...: to be honest, I went there for Jon, and really didn't focus much on the tribute band. What I heard was nice and cool, tho, solid, like the record, and a good sound.

I don't know where all their people were tho for such an event...a fabulous concept with a bunch of solid players...

On the "exciting, New Music" front, Jon more than delivered...

Date: Mon, April 25, 2011, 10:39:37 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Malcolm - Very cool. Sounds like a great time was had by all. How did the SD tribute band do?

Went over to cdbaby and sampled the tunes on Jon's album. Good stuff.

Date: Mon, April 25, 2011, 10:25:00 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York City

The Jon Herington Band did a memorable set at the Bitter End Saturday night.
As with any Dan-related gig, it's always a pleasure to be greeted by Pete Fogel and Shari at the door.

Jon's band went on just after 11 PM, and he was locked in from the first note. Running his new record from top to bottom, his rock solid trio of Dennis Espantman on bass and Frank Pagano on drums was complimented by the addition of Rob Morsberger on keys.

While each song was a different trip in itself, I counted at least five new faves that will undoubtedly become part of the lexicon of Great Rock songs: Fabulous, Up for Grabs, She Reminded me of You, Dreaming and Aveline - talk about new classic - this is it...

Jon's voice was relaxed and his playing nimble and virtuosic, all the while demonstrating easily his ability to genuinely have a good time.

For those Danfans/GoodMusic Fans who long for guitar driven, well crafted rock tunes, you won't go wrong in any regard picking up "shine (shine shine)", because it does (does does).

Date: Mon, April 25, 2011, 09:11:09 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

South Dakota?,51019

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 22:55:24 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, for the benefit of mr. heep

in before someone posts about Mr. Uriah Heeps' recent trepanning... let us offer our condolences for him and his family.

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 21:28:13 ET
Posted by: Abu, On the Dark Side of the Moon

Or maybe Mr. Floyd had a heart attack. You, know Mr. Pink Floyd. Yeah, he's good.


Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 17:30:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Happy Hour. Happy Easter!


You may be confused. I think it was Jethro Tull who recently experienced some health issues.

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 14:37:05 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Wildbare -

"SD" or "Sammy" D(onaldson), as I know him, is of great hale and looks and sounds exactly the way you would remember him.:)

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 14:36:44 ET
Posted by: @wildbare, where's the link?

If you truly saw something regarding heart surgery and Steely Dan I'd expect you to supply the link to the story.

Since the closest thing to SD and heart surgery I got is this passage:

"Naked Lunch changed my life. I read it at a young age and I loved all the dream like imagery and the hilarious routines such as the pegging scene with Steely Dan, and the heart surgery scene. Naked Lunch was influenced by Burroughs' experiences taking Ayahuasca in the amazon."

from this page:

I'd have to say "no" and wave that troll flag...


Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 10:52:01 ET
Posted by: wildbare, ohio

can someone confim? just saw on the net that SD had heart surgery couple weeks ago. anyone know?

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 10:04:21 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, @Lurker Ray

Thanks for answering my inquiry, Lurker. My hopes were up for a second that I was onto something sweet but it seems I've hit another ulterior dead end.

Thanks for the info! Happy Easter to all you Scurvy Brothers!

Date: Sun, April 24, 2011, 02:44:31 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Great link - thanks for this Easter egg! Watching now here at my Mum's place in the sleepy English countryside.

Date: Sat, April 23, 2011, 23:45:56 ET
Posted by: From The Bitter End, 147 Bleecker

Try this link--you should be able to get Jon Herington Band's CD Release Party Live followed by Katy Lied covered in its entirety.

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 18:42:15 ET
Posted by: hoops, in chicago, wishing i was in nyc

Someone else posted this yesterday...but it bears repeating....really wish I could be there.


The Jon Herington Band will be playing the new CD "shine (shine shine)" in its entirety at a special CD release party at 11 PM this Saturday April 23 at the historic Bitter End in New York City 147 (Bleeker Street between Thompson and LaGuardia).

Following Jon's set will be "No Static" the SD tribute band from Boston. They will be playing the Katy Lied album in it's entirety and Jon will be joining them for part of their set.


Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 18:40:38 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago. This one covered from April 1-22, 2011.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, check your spam filters first; then, if it's not there, please email me.

Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc. That's why this sort of notice is posted in the Blue.

The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for April 1-22, 2011:


- TOMORROW, 4/23: Jon Herington Band CD Release Party, Katy Lied Covered

- REDUX: Remember Roger Nichols
- How You Can Help Roger's Family
- Donald Fagen interview on NPR re: Roger Nichols
- The New York Times on Roger Nichols
- BBC4 on Roger Nichols
- Guestbook for Roger Nichols
- L.A. Times on Roger Nichols
- Crawdaddy on Roger Nichols
- Variety on Roger Nichols

- Concert ticket presales for 2011
- Re: Concert ticket presales for 2011
- Hear a Tour Date Rumor? Let Us Know
- REDUX: RE: Second Arrangement
- The Second Arrangement -- Petition
- Re: The Second Arrangement -- Petition
- Jeff Baxter Interview
- Upcoming Appearances by Jon Herington
- REDUX: Here We Go! Herington CD Release Show, SD Tribute Band "No Static"


If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter, please email me or see

For the record, the Dandom Digest is a newsletter with unofficial content written by and for the fans of Steely Dan. The newsletter is independent of and not to be confused with the glorious and much more glamorous official newsletters from,, and other sites of Steely Dan associates.

Thanks for your support through the years, especially Pete and Shari and remembering Mark and Bill.


Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 17:58:06 ET
Posted by: Lawn, Boy

More to the point Chris, the sound isn't very good up there.

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 16:09:34 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Welp, that's exactly what I wanted to avoid. Thanks for the info!

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 13:39:57 ET
Posted by: F.I.G.P.E.J, US

I always assumed that having a lawn seat just meant that you were further away and didn't have an actual seat. But after giving it a try, I'll tell you that Denise is 100% correct.

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 12:26:05 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

Chris, The stage cannot be seen from many areas on the lawn. Hearing the concert from the lawn is alot like sitting in a lovely backyard and listing to a CD. IMHO, the experience is not the same at all. My 2 cents.

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 10:14:04 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Question for anyone who has been to a show at Tanglewood - how's the lawn? Any reason I should shell out more money to be in the very back of the pavilion?

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 08:35:39 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

What kind of world do we live in where you actually have to defend Aja? I bet no one was asked to defend Rumors or Hotel California.

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 07:25:49 ET
Posted by: mike in the 727, st petersburg

Interesting discussion RE: "Aja" being chosen for the National Recording Registry by the Library of Congress.

scroll to bottom

Date: Fri, April 22, 2011, 03:46:20 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Those 3 songs were never included
in the very first Demo Comp called
"Sun Mountain", which actually came out
on vinyl first. Then came the "Barrytown"
Comp. Both of these came long before

And yes those demos still remained unreleased.

Date: Thurs, April 21, 2011, 18:40:39 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Hunters and Collectors, all come out at night

As we know, 28 of Becker & Fagen's early (1968-71) demo recordings, some of which had been released in various incomplete packagings, are currently available on the double CD "Catalyst" on the UK label Magnum.

I've seen a studio listing which, as well as these 28 tracks, also mentions three others:

One Ticket to L.A. (piano & voice)
Mr. Lyle (Walt & Don, duo singing)
Any Way You Want It (piano & voice)

None of these three were apparently available when the "Catalyst" set was compiled, otherwise they would have been included.

Kenny Vance, or whoever's in charge of the releasing those demo compilations, is still going at it in 2011 so I'm suprised we haven't seen any of these elusive three yet.

Does anyone know anything about these tracks, and whether copies still exist?

Date: Thurs, April 21, 2011, 12:52:13 ET
Posted by: The Jon Herington Band, New York City

The Jon Herington Band will be playing the new CD shine (shine shine) in its entirety at a special CD release party at 11 PM this Saturday April 23 at the historic Bitter End in New York City 147 (Bleeker Street between Thompson and LaGuardia).

Following Jon's set will be "No Static" the SD tribute band from Boston. They will be playing the Katy Lied album in it's entirety and Jon will be joining them for part of their set.

Date: Thurs, April 21, 2011, 02:05:53 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, West of Hollywood, I mean Highland Park

Thanks Billy.

I am quite suspicious of these brokers and have never used them before, so I won't start now. I'm determined to get Pavilion seats and will get lawn seats only as a last resort. The search continues.


Date: Thurs, April 21, 2011, 01:49:54 ET
Posted by: Billy,


Says at the top of the page where you make a post to the BlueBook: "Scalping and ****promotion of Ticket Brokers**** is strictly prohibited." Combating ticket brokers seems to be one of the principal reasons for this site existence. But I'll let Hoopster answer that since I'm not the definitive word. I guess the logic is that the more you patronize ticket brokers, the more you perpetuate them.

That said, pavilion seats at Ravina will be very hard to get. Something like 90% go to season ticket holders; the rest go on sale to the general public in the coming days, April 27. That means you stil have a chance without going to a broker. Lawn seats are cheap but are all pretty much obstructed view. Basically a picnic with a live performance on loud speakers.

Date: Thurs, April 21, 2011, 01:30:43 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago

I'm doing a feverish search for Pavilion seats to both SD shows at Ravinia in Highland Park, IL and I've encountered the numerous ticket brokers on the web. Is that a legit way to go? Is there a better way?


Date: Wed, April 20, 2011, 10:35:28 ET

I miss Rajah big-time!!!!!!!!!

Date: Wed, April 20, 2011, 09:42:02 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Great stuff Joan, thanks for sharing! You really hit the nail on the head regarding his solos at Steely Dan shows - I am consistently amazed at his ability to distill the essence of a solo in fresh, creative ways.

Date: Wed, April 20, 2011, 03:40:56 ET
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, Hell on earth (Los Angeles, CA)

I see that there are two shows at the Greek Theatre in LA on July 8 and 9. Has there been any announcement about the sets for those nights--or for any of the dates, for that matter (themes/albums, etc.)?

Date: Tues, April 19, 2011, 18:34:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


Nice article. Thanks for sharing.

Date: Tues, April 19, 2011, 15:30:53 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Philadelphia

In advance of the CD release event at Bitter End this Saturday, thought I'd share my profile on Jon Herington that just went live on Huff Post (NOTE: As of this minute, there is one error waiting for correction, the name of his second album, which is actually "Like So.")

Date: Tues, April 19, 2011, 15:26:12 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Donald will be at the encore- birthday-bash for Levon Helm on May 27 at the Kingston, NY performing arts center.......
Tix available on Levon's website.

Date: Tues, April 19, 2011, 13:02:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Thanks for letting us know about the gig. Sounds great. I wish I could make it to the city to check it out. I'll let a few friends in NYC know about it.

Date: Tues, April 19, 2011, 01:15:29 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

Steelyphiles, if you're in/around NYC this Wednesday (20th), our annual "Breithaupt Brothers Songbook" revue at Joe's Pub in the East Village will feature, among other great singers, Carolyn Leonhart and Catherine Russell! 7:00 p.m. downbeat, $25 tix, usually sells out. Afterhang at Phebe's, corner of Bowery and East 4th.

Date: Mon, April 18, 2011, 19:38:00 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maligloom - Hate Dem Clouds

Nice to finally hear Donald on NPR
also this afternoon at the office.

Though I would still love to see
a written piece by Donald. They
are always so well written and
well.... quite lovely.

And as someone pointed out, Roger
never beat his wife like Ike Turner,
yet he got 500 words+ from Donald.

Though as my Mom always told me,
"We all grieve in our own ways and
you have to respect that".

Date: Mon, April 18, 2011, 19:11:22 ET
Posted by: KV Church, LA

Donald on All Things Considered (NPR) on Roger this afternoon

Date: Mon, April 18, 2011, 14:50:36 ET
Posted by: Joe M, CT

Mildly interesting article on the "science of music". Steely Dan is briefly referenced and Dan cohorts Daniel J. Levitin and Michael Leonhart are featured...

Gonna be another fine Dan related summer! Looking forward to it.


Date: Mon, April 18, 2011, 06:48:39 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK



Showing my (advanced) age and Luddite inclinations I fear!! LOL

Date: Mon, April 18, 2011, 03:52:20 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Bassic - that last post wasn't mine. I guess '@Jaydee' was using that 'reply to' (or 'in response to') shorthand thing - something to do with Twitter I think.

Didn't know the 'rock chick' journalist had any books out, though have read some of her decently written pieces in The Times, Guardian, Q mag etc. If you're looking for some poolside reading I would recommend 'Lost in Music' by Giles Smith, who writes excellent and often very funny articles. Here's his 1995 Steely Dan interview for instance :

The Radio 4 Dan-fest continued yesterday with a question on music quiz 'Counterpoint', which can cover anything from Monteverdi to Justin Bieber. Sleeve note from The Nightfly was read -'one of my general height, weight and build' etc - and clip of title track played before contestants were asked to name the artist. Silence until one tentatively suggested ... 'Sting?'.

Date: Sun, April 17, 2011, 08:31:04 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Sounds like a plan!!

Holiday reading maybe? I'll be poolside on 1st May for 10 days. ;-)

Date: Sat, April 16, 2011, 19:55:52 ET
Posted by: @Jaydee, Agreeing with bassicinstinct: Nice interview

Have to read one of her books this summer

Date: Sat, April 16, 2011, 12:16:46 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Thanks for the link my friend.

Nice interview I thought.

Date: Sat, April 16, 2011, 09:31:19 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

BBC Radio 4 seems to be on a Steely Dan roll - this morning a prog about a Brit 'rock chick' journalist included her experience of interviewing Donald and Walter, described as 'awkward but ultimately chummy' (hmm). Available on 'listen again' which, according to The Dean, seems to work over the pond. Whole thing is quite interesting, but the SD bit starts around 16 minutes in. I now fully expect them to pop up in next week's episode of 'The Archers'.

Date: Sat, April 16, 2011, 07:38:12 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Freudian slip

40 years, not tears.

Date: Sat, April 16, 2011, 06:48:10 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in gratitude

My condolences to Roger Nichols' kins, family and friends.

One of the most creative and dedicated heads in the music industry's last 40 tears.

He was so smart, even his drum sampler WENDEL got Grammy nominated. Only machine ever that did so.

The clock pulse that controls everything in normal folks' computers is generated by a tiny quartz crystal. In Roger Nichols equipment, it was replaced by an atom-clock for better accuracy.

No wonder our boys liked this man's attitude.
He was THE genious tech nerd of genious tech nerds, and so much more.

Bless his memory - Rest in peace, Roger Nichols.

Date: Fri, April 15, 2011, 16:31:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny Malibu - Out Early And Headed Down To The Water

Thanks Jaydee & PER for the BBC links.
Thought we would get some more interviews
about Roger from Donald & Walter by now.

So far only Gary & Elliot have checked
in. Donald often writes a nice New
York Times or other article after someone
he respects passes away.

Though he might have written something
about Roger by now.

Date: Fri, April 15, 2011, 14:12:53 ET
Posted by: eggscuse the somewhat "irregular" sentences in previous, post re: Last Word podcast.


Date: Fri, April 15, 2011, 14:10:17 ET
Posted by: BBC Last words, Podcast

The program(me) is also available to for 30 days as a 13MB podcast download here:

Date: Fri, April 15, 2011, 13:24:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Thanks for that BBC Radio link. It worked fine for me here in Florida.

Date: Fri, April 15, 2011, 11:58:06 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Roger Nichols was just featured on BBC Radio 4's weekly obituary prog 'Last Word' (covers four or five people each week). Will be repeated on Sunday at 8.30 pm UK time, then also available on the 'listen again' service for seven days - not sure how available outside UK though. Nice interview with Elliott Randall, mostly about the 'Reelin' session.

Date: Thurs, April 14, 2011, 23:09:23 ET
Posted by: rsjolvc, New York

Date: Thurs, April 14, 2011, 21:33:16 ET
Posted by: RN, Guest Book

Guest book for Roger Nichols.

Date: Thurs, April 14, 2011, 14:21:33 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

I was going to link to the really nice Los Angeles Times obit, but I see it is already here. Truly a great loss.

Date: Wed, April 13, 2011, 20:19:08 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Saddened to hear about Roger Nichols's passing...

To honor him, the boys should play every album that he engineered in full each night on the tour. It's truly the right thing to do.

Date: Wed, April 13, 2011, 18:39:17 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Bel Air - At The Office


Not only was Roger at Irvine Meadows for the two nights September 16 & 17 1994, he oversaw the live recording for those two shows.

"Aja" from 9/17/1994 can be found as the final track on "Alive In America" and the 8 minute live 1993 "Overture - Royal Scam, Bad Sneakers & Aja" as well as a splendid live version of "Fall Of '92" from Walter recorded during the 9/10/1993 Irvine Meadows stop along with "Aja" from Irvine '94 can be found on the "Cousin Dupree" import maxi-single. All also recorded by Roger.

The entire soundboard recording from Irvine Meadows on September 17, 1994 is out there in various degrees of quality and to this day is one of the classic Steely Dan bootlegs and what "Alive In America" should have been.


I noticed that James Greene Jr. in the April 12, 2001 Crawdaddy article on Roger Nichols incorrectly states that,

"The engineer�s ability to diagnose and correct recording flaws was another matter of legend; in 1974, Nichols singled out a wayward drop of mustard on the master tape as the cause of a serious flaw heard in Steely Dan�s 'Rikki Don�t Lose That Number'"

The year was actually 1973, the album "Countdown To Ecstasy" and the song was "The Boston Rag" that Roger eventually was able to fix-

Though the incorrect "single" version of "Rikki" missing Victor Feldman's flopanda intro was found on early pressings of the 1993
"Citizen Steely Dan" Box Set and unbelievably six years later on the early pressings of the 1999 "Pretzel Logic" remaster!!

Roger missed both of those errors - six years apart - before the work was sent to final mastering. The curse of "Rikki"! Proving that he may have been an atomic scientist, but we are all just human and can make a mistake���and the same one 6 years later ;O)

Date: Wed, April 13, 2011, 17:15:43 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Roger - Thanks for sharing that. It really is a very well written obituary... showed a huge amount of respect for the man and it enlightened me about the relationship between the artists and the "science kid".

My condolences to Mr. Nichols' family and friends.

Date: Wed, April 13, 2011, 10:52:39 ET
Posted by: Abu, Not e-mailing or IM

Hey, "ZZZzzzZZZz". Ever hear of not hiding your identity when you state something like you did? If you've posted before, then step up to the table instead of hiding under it with an Anon. post. If you were following the Top 5 thread, you would know what was being discussed.


Date: Wed, April 13, 2011, 08:44:21 ET
Posted by: Roger, LA Times,0,6145566.story

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 15:26:24 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Bel Air - At The Office


Tomorrow Night April 13, 2011
Herb Alpert�s Vibrato Bel Air, CA

Peter Erskine � Drums
John Beasley � Piano
Pat Senatore � Bass


If anyone is going to be by the office
here in Bel Air tomorrow night, it
should be one great evening high above
the lights of the valley.

Peter and John are both alumni of
the Steely Dan Touring Bands �
back when Roger Nichols was still
recording the shows and mixing the
on stage monitors!

And Pat Sentore has played for Stan
Kenton, Les Brown, The Bob Hope Show,
The Dean Martin Show and was the
life-time bass player for Herb Alpert�s
record breaking Tijuana Brass.

This amazing trio will take the stage at
6:30 and play sets until 10:30

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 14:44:52 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Roger mixed monitors for Donald and Walter from 1993 through the 2000 tours. I got to meet him in Manassas, VA, in 2000, when I asked him to sign my STELY DN license plate during intermission. He was a cool guy, and he took the plate back to WB and DF for them to sign it as well. Rest in peace, dear Roger.

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 13:44:55 ET
Posted by: srch, w

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 13:41:30 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, El Segundo Cubicle


At the Devore, CA show in 1993 Donald introduced Roger during the band intros. If memory serves, Roger was standing at a soundboard at the house right edge of the stage. I did not notice him before the introduction, and I don't recall whether or not he was there for the two shows we saw in 1994 at what is now Verizon/Irvine.

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 12:48:34 ET
Posted by: jt, gh

Roger was there for 93 and 94 and I think Roseland 95 too.

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 11:27:30 ET
Posted by: fezo, desk

Might have been a fever dream, but I would swear that in '93 tour, Donald introduced Nichols on stage and said he was mixing the sound that evening.

This was in Columbia, MD.

Does that sound familiar to anyone else?

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 11:16:56 ET
Posted by: ZZZzzzZZZz, ZZZ

You guys ever heard of email or instant messaging?

Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 10:34:33 ET
Posted by: Abu, West of Hollywood, near Salzburg

Yeah, Mike... My Top 50 list would include many more classical composers, but only a few more modern artists. However, there are certain specific compositions that I find myself returning to, due to the continual enjoyment I derive from them. For instance, I listen to one of Mozart's Piano Concertos each week, in succession. There are 27 numbered Concertos, so it takes about 6 months to hear them all. I can't get enough of them. In a similar way, there are
certain SD or DF tunes that I want to hear more often than others.
For example: Aja, Bodhisattva, YGT-II, Don't Take Me Alive, Negative Girl, Almost Gothic, Tomorrow's Girls, Pagoda, and a few others. The same with some Beatles stuff, too.


Date: Tues, April 12, 2011, 08:19:05 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Abu

Sorry I didn't get it at first. Anyway, that's quite a long list: Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Villa-Lobos, Ravel, Mozart, Debussy, Bartok, Schumann, Tarrega, Handel, Sor, etc.

Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 21:36:55 ET
Posted by: Abu, In the Mood?

Mike, you said...

"I really don't know. Steely Dan would be up there, obviously. It depends on what mood I'm in."

I was just asking about your classical interests, and (somewhat jokingly) was referring to your above statement about your mood(s). I was trying to be slightly funny, I guess, that's all.

So, all kidding aside, tell me about who and what you like in the realm of classical music.


Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 20:13:39 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Abu

I don't understand. My 'moods associated with classical?'

Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 19:27:21 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower

Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 17:51:18 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower now has a tribute to Roger on "The Immortal" on the touring page....

Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 15:25:50 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, York of New

The resume link below does not truly represent his acheivements. Go to his homepage and click on the discography link. Wow!

Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 13:04:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Carl Sagan said: "To live in the hearts we leave behind is to never die."

Roger Nichols lives on.


Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 12:53:29 ET
Posted by: Eric, Portland, OR

So sorry to hear of the passing of Roger Nichols. I would like to pass along my condolences to his family and friends, and to the greater Dan family who respected him so much like I did. I never got to meet him, but I always felt like I was closer, because of the fine work on recordings he did. Rest In Peace Roger, and thank you for everything.


Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 10:39:11 ET
Posted by: Abu, Moody's Mood

Very nice tune, btw, "Moody's Mood". George Benson does a great cover of it. But speaking of moods... As for me, my mood is usually about 80 percent classical, and 20 percent miscellaneous... particularly SD or related, and Beatles, and other assorted stuff. Especially 70s music. Grew up hearing classical always being played in the home. I didn't rediscover classical until I was in my
mid-30s, upon watching a "Mostly Mozart" broadcast on PBS, and then it took off from there. I guess it was in my genes and in my heart.

So Mike, tell me about your classical side and the moods associated with it.


Date: Mon, April 11, 2011, 07:13:24 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Abu

I really don't know. Steely Dan would be up there, obviously. It depends on what mood I'm in.

Currently what I'm listening to:

1) Steely Dan - I Can't Write Home About You
2) Steely Dan - Throw Back The Little Ones
3) Hector Villa-Lobos - Prelude #2
4) Hocus Pocus - Focus
5) Axelay - Mother
6) Steely Dan - Glamour Profession
7) Burt Bacharach - (They Long To Be) Close To You
8) Willy Hutch - I Can Sho Give You Love
9) Alice In Chains - Them Bones
10) Donald Fagen - The Night Belongs To Mona

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 22:17:42 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, at home

We have lost a great talent and by all accounts a wonderful person. Rest in peace Roger Nichols.

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 19:36:22 ET
Posted by: Sad, -

A notice of Roger Nichols' passing on

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 18:49:20 ET
Posted by: Abu, High and Low places

Low Place:

So sorry to hear about the passing of Roger Nichols. The music
industry has truly lost a great one. He will be missed immensely.

High Place:

On my Top 5 Mountain --

1) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
2) Steely Dan
3) The Beatles
4) Franz Peter Schubert
5) Antonin Dvorak

ygk, nice to see some classical on your list. And Mike, you
mentioned classical, but did you post your Top 5? Perhaps I
missed it, as I have been away from The Blue for awhile. Saw
something about your list being "secret", or am I mistaken?


Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 17:00:41 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar6, Sun Mountain

R.I.P Roger Nichols and condolences to his family and friends.

When I visited his website earlier today, the music player looped Walter Becker's Junkie Girl from the top of my computer's lungs. Long time since I had heard that track, so since then it's all about WB music and kindred musicians via the randomness of a Jango WB radio station!

And when googling for more (on YouTube) I stumbled upon a little something on the official SD website:

from 1994, starring Walter Becker and Roger Nichols. It's funny and to see them with those old Powerbooks ... :-)

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 16:24:44 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

As sad day for all of us here and
yet such a brilliantly beautiful
day here in Malibu by the other
big blue.

I had the pleasure of meeting
Roger at our beloved Poplar Creek
in 1993.

Our bodies & lives may not be
"immortal" but Roger's amazing work
is. "We all die. The goal isn't to
live forever, the goal is to create
something that will."

Without Roger there would never
of been a "Steely Dan" sound.
Or probably a long-lived Steely Dan
and all of the success for that matter.
This summer is for Roger.

�For Love is Immortality.�
- Emily Dickinson

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 15:08:53 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

"The Immortal" is dead; long live "The Immortal"!

Some of Roger's epic discography is here:

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 10:43:45 ET
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Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 08:25:44 ET
Posted by: Mike,

His contribution to the music industry was truly inspirational. His suffering in this world has ended. My condolences to his family and friends. Rest in peace.

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 08:25:42 ET
Posted by: Mike,

His contribution to the music industry was truly inspirational. His suffering in this world has ended. My condolences to his family and friends. Rest in peace.

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 07:04:38 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

So very sad about Roger Nichols. A truly great talent and an immense loss to us all. My condolences to his family and friends.


Jules, the cost of a ticket last time around was $144.50

Date: Sun, April 10, 2011, 06:39:25 ET
Posted by: hoops, the greater dandom

Like everyone in the Greater Dandom, I'm wishing love and condolences to Connie Nichols, the Nichols family, their loved once and their friends, and all who have been touched by Roger--that includes all of us. Whether we've met him in person or not, millions have been touched by his spirit and what we've all been given from his love for integrity. We have been truly blessed by his gifts to us. Roger lives on in all of our hearts and he will continue to make a difference in this world through his gifts and inspiration. Roger was, is and always will be a spirit who continues to abide in us through love.

Of course, we all remember Roger, Connie and his family and loved ones in our prayers, meditations, thoughts, good will, and wishes.


A fine tribute to Roger Nichols from George Petersen.


Interestingly enough, I've been listening quite a bit to Rickie Lee Jones' "Flying Cowboys" during the past few days. Roger did superb work on that album (which, of course, Walter Becker produced) and I've returned to it often. It's one of my favorites. My choice would be to include a YouTube link to "Horses" but not a lot of the original studio tracks of "Flying Cowboys" are on YouTube. Listen to Roger's work on Rickie's "Satellites"

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 22:22:48 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, living in the midwest

RIP Roger "The Immortal" Nichols. That, you truly are!!!

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 22:17:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, a sad night

Rest in Peace, Roger Nichols.

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 21:53:51 ET
Posted by: Jules, Nor Cal

So, I've been more of an observer than a participant on the "bluebook", and I must say that as much of a SD fan as I am, I am out of the loop on a lot of inside SD topics. So, for all you Dan fans, can anyone give an estimate on the price of tix for their closing shows in Boston? The Wang doesn't even list Steely Dan on their schedule.


P.S. Jazzassin, I wouldn't assume that all these Steely Dan fans are male. Us females are die hard Dan fans too!

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 19:16:08 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Pix - That sounds promising doesn't it !

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 18:37:43 ET
Posted by: pixeleen, too good to be true!!


Just saw on the Norfolk news that Steely Dan is going to be at the nTelos Pavilion, in Portsmouth, on August 1.

Not listed yet on, however, it is listed on the nTelos site:

Orchestra tix $79.75
Gold Circle tix $59.75
Lawn tix $29.00

On Sale.......TBA

So, stay tuned and hope it is true.


Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 17:24:46 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburr - Enough Of This Weather Rollercoaster!

fagenism -

Well Donald has obviously "listened"
to Nightfly after Morph was released.
He oversaw the remastering for the
Trilogy Project.

ToDanFan -

(Sigh) Unfortunately it's been almost
a year since Donald made the announcement
of the new solo project and nothing "new"
to report.

"(Reuters) - Donald Fagen, one-half the hit-writing duo behind rock perfectionists Steely Dan, says he will release his fourth solo record in 2011 with an album largely recorded on computers away from conventional studios."

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 10:54:22 ET
Posted by: Two, uh..., one...

...against nature:

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 08:33:33 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Um, my quote was a bit off.

"I haven't listened to The Nightfly since I made it," replied Fagen, "but the people in these hi-fi stores must have liked something about it. I think most of the way a record sounds is independent of whether it was recorded digital or analogue. So much has to do with the miking, the material, the studios, and the engineer. Having said that, I do think that digital has improved a lot over the years. It doesn't have that weird scratchy high end any more, and the bass sounds a little better too. But frankly I don't hear that much of a difference between the two media. As long as bass and drums are recorded to analogue you're OK. So we recorded the basic tracks to analogue, and for convenience's sake we loaded them into Pro Tools for overdubbing. To use analogue for overdubbing is just too much of a pain in the ass."

Date: Sat, April 09, 2011, 08:26:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Re: The Nightfly

Fagen mentioned in an interview about the recording of Morph The Cat that he has never listened to The Nightfly since it was completed. He mentioned something about how the high end sounds weird when you record digitally.

For whatever reason it is the one trilogy album I return the least. Kamakiriad and Morph feel more coherent.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 21:29:43 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

Lurker Ray we're on the same page as far as hockey goonery goes.
It's unreal how it goes on all season then stops in the playoffs.
Diehard & casual fans agree that Olympic & NHL playoff hockey is great. Virtually no cheap shots or fights. You would think the owners would clue in. Fat chance.

Chris I really enjoy the Nightfly too. My favourite of Don's solos.

Last time in TO the boys played 20 SD songs. My dream show would have them play 15 or so of my top SD tunes, with 4 or 5 each from the solo works mixed in. I think the reggae vibe that pervades Circus Money would sound great live.

Sorry if this has been previously answered but does anyone know if Donald's new release is on hold?


PS...of course the absolute dream show would have them onstage at your favourite venue for about 12 hrs playing their total group and solo catalogues with all the original (living) musicians :)

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 19:16:01 ET
Posted by: Fred,

Stevie Wonder has hailed "The Nightfly" as one of the greatest if not the greatest album ever.

And there was that post here a few weeks ago about how the album was used to sound check the new sound system at The Beacon.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 18:52:00 ET
Posted by: Tony, The Jersey Shore

I still break out Toto and Toto IV once in a while. It is a guilty pleasure. Jeff Porcaro was such a great drummer. RIP.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 18:20:58 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I mentioned this earlier, but does anyone else ever feel like The Nightfly is the perfect pop record?

I don't mean to say that it's my favorite record (it is, but only sometimes). But the lyrics are clever, personal, and relatable; songs are exceedingly well crafted, performed, and recorded. It's not a concept album -- that would be cheesy -- but it does have a common thread that bring the theme together very neatly.

I have to wonder if the theme - essentially 50s suburbia - was ahead of its time in terms of capturing the popular zeitgeist. I can think of quite a few movies and televisions shows in the last 25 years that either fetishized the suburbs through the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia or openly condemned them. The Nightfly was really subversive in its commentary of the era.

And of course, the music is incredible and gives the subject a lot of warmth and soul. New Frontier can actually choke me up if I'm in the right mood.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 17:14:08 ET
Posted by: CharlieFreak, Connecticut

PLUM Ticket Alert!!!

Hey everyone... this morning tickets quietly went on sale for the July 25 Steely Dan show at Ives Concert Park in Danbury, Connecticut. I just checked and there are still quite a few seats available within a dozen rows of the stage. I plucked 4 front row seats this morning. Because the ticketing site is not Ticketmaster, I'm not sure many people know that the tix are on sale. The ticketing site is . Get 'em while you can!

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 15:27:03 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

TO DanFan (Way too many folks named "DanFans" lately around here!) -

Just a little "hockey jab" back at ya into the boards ;O)

You take a shot on goal; hey I'm not going to just sit on the bench, especially if it is someone I know as a regular.

And for the record, I grew up in Michigan and used to put tinfoil on the TV antenna so we could pick up Hockey Night and Don Cherry. We used to be able to watch a lot of hockey in the states before it became the sport of goons and they lost all of their prime time TV contracts. Get rid of the condoned violence and hockey comes back. In it's purity, it is a beautiful sport. Don't you find it odd that if football players get into a fistfight, they get suspended?! But then again I've also never been to a Dodgers game for that exact same reason. Not to mention they were cowards for leaving Brooklyn and some Los Angeles families lost their father's, they just "disappeared" never to be heard from again, just because they didn't want to sell there home to make way for the new stadium.

As for Gibble, I don't waste my time sparring with new anon toadies
who don't like my style.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 14:23:25 ET

Hey TO DAN-FAN, what a strange combo Terrell Owens &Steely Dan
Its all good

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 13:30:32 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, At yoga, watching Baywatch

I would love to hear Katy Lied. We played the 8-track so often in the old shaggin' wagon that it wore out.

Hey Ray I've followed the Blue for a long time and posted a few times. I like it here. I enjoy most of your posts, and always find it amusing when you go off on people. Gibble makes an amusing post about your writing style. I make a 3 word comment and we are douches with a bad haircut! LOL! I almost feel privileged to have drawn such a brilliant response ;) And I think hoops would like my bald head!

I enjoyed Little Wild One's tweets last tour. Are you out there LWO? Haven't seen any posts for a while.

Any other heathens out there like hockey?
The second season is about to begin. Go Habs!

Gotta go, surf's up! :)

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 10:15:26 ET
Posted by: David "I thought I'd be paid in grams at the Grammys", Crosby

Here's Aja losing out to the giga-platinum sellers.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 10:06:50 ET

Lurker Ray thanks for the update, i would luv to see them play
Katie Lied and or countdown to ectacy this tour along with
more internet request nights with some different songs from
last tour curious as to what albums other Dan fans would
most like to hear this tour?? see ya at the towers shows!!!

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 09:35:11 ET
Posted by: Mike, @The Dean

"It's interesting to me how often I've heard complaints about 2vN winning the Grammy, yet don't recall any outrage when their stellar work (and Don's solo work) didn't win. Does anyone actually still listen to Toto IV?"

I've thought that myself. In fact, people still bring it up as a means of showcasing how "flawed" the Grammys are.

Nobody that I know of still listens to Toto IV. I do, however, listen to every SD album and solo works.

Anyway, I wouldn't read too much into it. The Grammys are essentially one huge advertisement for the recording industry. They're just patting themselves on the back.

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 01:52:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Thanks for the Fagen 82 Grammy clip!

No worries Gus. I figured many
people must have missed it.
But it was your initial detective
work that solved the puzzle earlier
last month. Wonder why Atlanta &
Philly still have not received
their interenet voting ballot?
In 2009, we receive the ballot
link right after the sale was complete.

Watching hockey?.......well now
that pretty much explains everything.
Gotta love dem goons. Just remember
DanFan it's the "Bluebook" not
the "Blue Line". That way hoops can
help keep the douche & bad haircut
factor down. Have you been posting
to the wrong forum all this time?

Date: Fri, April 08, 2011, 00:06:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Thanks for the Grammy clips. Is that Elton John in the ridiculous hat at the end of the Album of the Year clip?

It's interesting to me how often I've heard complaints about 2vN winning the Grammy, yet don't recall any outrage when their stellar work (and Don's solo work) didn't win. Does anyone actually still listen to Toto IV?

My favorite award ceremony moment (I don't see many, so it's a small field) was from the Bay Area Music Awards (BAMMIES) in the early 90's. Les Claypool won Bassist of the Year. His first comment when accepting was something like, "Everyone knows this award really should go to Rob Wasserman." (He was right.)

I was half expecting to hear Porcaro mention Donald during his acceptance.

Peter- "How can you half expect something?"
Lois- "I don't know. It's just a turn of phrase."
Peter- "How do you turn a phrase?"

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 23:45:05 ET
Posted by: hoops,

The Nightfly, Jeff, etc.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 23:39:47 ET
Posted by: hoops,


Very cool. Who's that with Donald? And when they announce David Paich, that's Jeff Porcaro to his right.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 22:36:48 ET
Posted by: U, Tube

Fagen at the '82 Grammy Awards.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 21:22:52 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA


Oops; thanks for pointing that out. If I saw that page a month ago, I had forgotten it. I have just been checking the tour schedule page for updates.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 20:53:47 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

Write on Gibble!

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 20:17:27 ET
Posted by: Gibble, an observation

I find
the guy
like this,
I find it
difficult to
like reading
a bad poem
It would be much cooler if he wrote like a normal person.


Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 19:57:43 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Gus, 8 track et al,

Sheesh didn't anyone else read
the official press release for
this tour?! It's been out for
quite a while now.

YES, Complete Album and Internet
Fan Voting shows ARE CONFIRMED
for The Shuffle Diplomacy 2011
Summer tour.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 17:19:57 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

Apologize if posted before, but so that we don't take ourselves too seriously, a facebook page about the Dan prompted by discussion in the movie "Knocked Up."

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 17:09:14 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, El Segundo, CA


I would not say that album shows are "confirmed" until they appear on But I think that they will be, based on the information below, which I copied from my post of March 11. I don't know if the link is still good.

For those of you considering going to a show at the Greek Theatre in LA, here is some more information, which is consistent with the articles referenced here yesterday. I would expect that the "expanded schedule" promised on will have this also, as it did in 2009. My source was

At the bottom of the page, there is a link to a "print-/fax-friendly order form". One does not have to be a club member to veiw the form; I am not.

STEELY DAN performs complete album & greatest hits plus special guest Sam Yahel, July 8, 7:30 PM $137.50 $107.50 $87.50 $62.50

STEELY DAN performs fan voted set list plus special guest Sam Yahel July 9, 7:30 PM $137.50 $107.50 $87.50 $62.50

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 11:52:02 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Today's presale password for the Indy show @ The Murat is BAND. This is the 1st time in the Circle City for da boys since '93!!!

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 11:09:34 ET
Posted by: Bren, London UK

Hi..has anyone got any news/rumours/whispers that Walt and Don et al.. will be coming over the pond to do some dates in the UK and Europe?

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 07:55:29 ET
Posted by: D, NJ

Just listening to 101 CBS-FM NY in my car. They played Peg in honor of Aja's recent accolades Then the DJ, Dan Taylor said that he was the inventor of "AM" in the 70s when he was working for an AM radio station and was "ticked off" that he couldn't play FM. He did the splice job himself.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 03:51:41 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

As much as I like Radiohead, my first association when that band comes up is the pure joy of The Two snatching the best album grammy from them back in 2000. I get this feeling that kids of today view Radiohead as harmonically sophisticated, when they have never exposed themselves to the horn arrangement on Almost Gothic.

Having said this, Thom Yorke has a magical voice, and producer Nigel Godrich seems to know his way around a mixing board.

Date: Thurs, April 07, 2011, 00:46:34 ET
Posted by: 8-track, flashbacks

Where is it confirmed that they are doing albums again this tour? You'd think Donald would have considered that a one and done deal. Unless, of course, they are going pre-'76.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 18:35:49 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Congrats to Don & Walter.
I just hope this doesn't mean
that we are now going to only get
a heavy dose of Aja on "Album
Nights" this summer.

It is the "whole" album BTW angel.
Though I am really surprised that
no one hear, especially the original
poster PER/RadioDupree hasn't pointed
out that right below Steely Dan - Aja
at number 24 is De La Soul's - 3 Feet
High and Rising from 1989.

That great LP contains the song,
"Eye Know" which is built around
a sample of "Peg"!

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 15:32:59 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

what?!? no comments that it takes the government 34 years to realize what everyone (!) else knows?

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 14:52:43 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

I read that the song is "Peg" from the Aja album.
You see that Peter Gunn by Henry Mancini also was also on the list? I am sure Don and Walt are pleased by that, too. :-)

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 14:39:01 ET
Posted by: bennymania, !! !! !!


Not 'and'.

A bonus 'D' for all you an fans...

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 14:38:49 ET
Posted by: bennymania, !! !! !!


Not 'and'.

A bonus 'D' for all you an fans...

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 14:35:29 ET
Posted by: bennymania, !!

In honor of Don, Walt and the Librarians of Congress - Aja gets and afternoon spin here at work.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 13:18:27 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, For all time. Amen.

About time, I'd say! Congrats to Don and Walt!

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 12:47:26 ET
Posted by: US Library Of Congress: Aja worthy of preservation for all time., (But we already knew that!)

Steely Dan are mong the 25 additions to the Libary of Congress National Recording Registry, making it part of 325 recordings "deemed culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant and worthy of preservation for all time."

Here's the full list of the latest additions:


1. Phonautograms � Edouard-Leon Scott de Martinville (1853-1861)

2. Take Me Out to the Ballgame � Edward Meeker (1908)

3. Recordings of Ishi, the Last Yahi Indian � Ishi (1915)

4. Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground � Blind Willie Johnson (1927)

5. It�s the Girl � The Boswell Sisters (1931)

6. Mal Hombre � Lydia Mendoza (1934)

7. Tumbling Tumbleweeds � Sons of the Pioneers (1934)

8. Talking Union � The Almanac Singers (1941)

9. Jazz at the Philharmonic Nat �King� Cole, Les Paul et. al. (1944)

10. Missa Papae Marcelli�Roger Wagner Chorale (1951)

11. The Eagle Stirreth Her Nest � Rev. C.L. Franklin (c. 1953)

12. Tipitina � Professor Longhair (1953)

13. Mort Sahl: At Sunset � Mort Sahl (1955)

14. VOA Jazz Radio Broadcasts � Willis Conover (1956)

15. Theme from �Peter Gunn� � Henry Mancini (1958)

16. United Sacred Harp Musical Convention in Fyffe, Alabama (recorded by Alan Lomax and Shirley Collins (September 12, 1959)

17. Blind Joe Death � John Fahey (1959, 1964, 1967)

18. Stand By Your Man � Tammy Wynette (1968)

19. Trout Mask Replica � Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (1969)

20. Songs of the Humpback Whales � Roger Payne (1970)

21. Let�s Stay Together � Al Green (1971)

22. Black Angels (Thirteen Images from the Dark Land) for Electronic String Quartet � The New York Strings Quartet (1972) (Composers Recording Inc)

23. Aja � Steely Dan (1977)

24. 3 Feet High and Rising � De La Soul (1989)

25 GOPAC Audio Instruction Series � Newt Gingrich, (c. 1986-1994)

More here:

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 10:00:49 ET

Thanx everyone for the lists, keep em coming!!!
first time i ever posted something and got positive feedback
save for the occaisonal snark, which is to be expected

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 09:44:10 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Expanding the list

As several posters have said already: It's really impossible to make a final top 5 list, so mine was more or less a combination of artists I listen the most to these days, and those I always get back to.
It could very well have contained 50 names instead of 5, but it was fun trying to limit the list, though not very fair to all the others.

Glad to see some classical heroes here as well.

ygk, I too love Ravel, and even more one of the other great french impressionist composers, Claude Debussy.

Mike, you called for Stevie Wonder. Shark actually has him on the list.
He could easily have made it to mine as well. One of the best concerts I ever attended was Stevie + 11 man band for 3 hours in 1980. Absolutely awesome.

Nice to see Metheny here a couple of times, too. Another fav that didn't make it to my top 5 this time, but could've done.

But where are the girls??

Here's some of my favs from the many great female artists:

Joni Mitchell
Billie Holiday
Ella Fitzgerald
Carla Bley
Grace Jones

That my pick of SD as the all time greatest also includes solo releases from D & W, must be underscored.

Hutch, heres my Beach Boys favorite (gives me goosebumps every time):

Thanks also to The Four Freshmen who inspired Brian so much, and made this song first with another lyric.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 08:49:39 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Fryderyk Chopin
Jackson Browne
Steely Dan
Charles Mingus
Maurice Ravel

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 08:29:42 ET
Posted by: To, Drewslo

Parks played rhythm guitar on Josie. Check out his interviews in the Making of Aja DVD.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 07:52:59 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Let me guess: Hoops' #1 is Steely Dan. :)

Some of these lists are rather strange. No Stevie Wonder, Genesis, Cannibal Corpse... I fully expected to see Burt Bacharach, Beatles, Beach Boys. *YAWN* Where's the classical love? No Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Stravinsky, Liszt, etc.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 06:12:22 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston

1.Steely Dan
3.Jeff Beck
4.Oz Noy
5.Joni Mitchell

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 05:41:03 ET
Posted by: Lazlo Sanders, Boulder, Colorado

1. Pat Metheny
2. Steely Dan
3. Muse
4. Cat Stevens
5. Paul Simon

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 03:09:00 ET
Posted by: Ajax, San Francisco

Steely Dan
Sun Ra
Charles Mingus
Pat Metheny
Brian Eno

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 00:37:21 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Oh, and I include Fagen and Becker solo works in the Steely Dan category. The Nightfly is sometimes my favorite album of all time.

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 00:35:43 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Can't go in order. Hard to do this cross genre, but I'll do my best.

Steely Dan
J Dilla
Bill Evans
Miles Davis

Date: Wed, April 06, 2011, 00:08:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The lists are...well, interesting I guess. You can really get a sense of the breadth of The Dan's appeal. There are some bands I would have never expected to see on a Dan fan's list of favs.

I can't really do a top five...but I'll give it a go. For this exercise I will exclude pure jazz or classical artists. Including them would make this completely impossible for me.

1. Steely Dan (Counting the solo releases, they remain a vibrant creative force.)

2. Van Morrison (His 21st Century releases are the best of any pop/rock artist IMO. The quality of the newer releases are very close to those from his early creative peak.)

3. Little Feat. (With Lowell plus a couple albums after him. They are still good and fun to see live...but it ain't the same.)

4. The Band

5. Traffic

On the bubble: Frank Zappa, Santana, James Brown, more that I forgot, I'm sure.

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 23:20:34 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

In no particular order ( don't do that to me! )

Steely Dan
Beastie Boys
Thelonious Monk
David Bowie

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 21:44:54 ET
Posted by: Drewslo, San Luis Obispo

I just saw Crosby & Nash last night. On lead guitar was Dean Parks.
Does anybody know which particular Steely Dan songs he played on.
I'm pretty sure he did the solos on Rose Darling and Haitian Divorce.
Any others?

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 21:43:26 ET
Posted by: Drewslo, San Luis Obispo

Steely Dan
Todd Rundgren
Peter Hammill
Roy Harper
Neil Young

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 21:21:11 ET
Posted by: shark,

check out Deacon Blues on lap steel guitar, as played by the very talented Mike Neer:

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 20:25:37 ET
Posted by: Steely Metal,

1)Steely Dan
2)Black Sabbath
3)Judas Priest
4)Iron Maiden
5)Blackmore's Rainbow

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 18:49:21 ET
Posted by: shark deville, man this is hard.....

Steely Dan
Beach Boys/Brian Wilson
Thelonious Monk
Stevie Wonder
Tom Jobim

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 18:16:43 ET
Posted by: Where is Radiohead, on these infernal lists?

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 16:51:34 ET
Posted by: Young Wu , Edit my list... sorry to everyone

I'm an idiot... I forgot the artist that I complimented someone else for liking.

1. Steely Dan
2. The Beatles
3. Pink Floyd
4. The Who
5. Paul Simon

6. The Rolling Stones
7. Ben Folds
8. Fountains of Wayne
9. Rush
10. Mark Knopfler

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 16:49:25 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, I guess we're doing top 5 lists...

SS, HK ... I'm glad to see another Ben Folds lover!

1. Steely Dan
2. The Beatles
3. Pink Floyd
4. The Who
5. Paul Simon

6. The Rolling Stones
7. Fountains of Wayne
8. Rush
9. Mark Knopfler
10. Bruce Springsteen

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 16:22:56 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

My Top 5

1. SD
2. The Allman Bros.
3. Burning Spear
4. Jackson Browne
5. The Who

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 15:12:34 ET

Hey Mike A. in Seatle going thru old post i noticed you made a great
call on them playing full albums a year early,any predictions for
what is in store for this tour?

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 11:26:00 ET
Posted by: Hutch, @ the vocal booth

Why The Beach Boys are on my list...

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 10:48:13 ET
Posted by: way west of holllywood, here and now


That online interchange sounds as if the Bookeepers son contacted you
and played you for a fool


Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 01:52:06 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


sparanza is no idol musician. She keeps it real.

That meeting had to go something like this

Talk about your major pain and suffering
Now our self-esteem is shattered
Show the world our mighty hidey-ho face
As we go sliding down the ladder
It was sweet up at the top
'Til that ill wind started blowing
Now it's cozy down below

We gave it our best shot
But keep in mind we got a lot
The sky, the moon, good food and the weather
First-run movies -- does anybody get lucky twice?
Wouldn't it be nice...

Date: Tues, April 05, 2011, 01:21:47 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Go Leafs !

1. SD
2. Yes
3. Ben Folds (and the Five)
4. King Crimson
5. 10cc

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 20:49:27 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

I'm late 50's and have loved music since I was about 3. So it's hard to get it down to 5. The list would be ever-changing with SD & Bruce always alternating in the top spot.

Top 5
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Led Zeppelin
Neil Young

Next 5
Elvis Costello
The Tragically Hip
Downchild Blues Band
David Bowie
Tom Petty

How about top concerts? November 2009 was heaven for me. SD playing Aja + more at Massey Hall on the 22nd, and Bruce playing Greetings + more at the tour finale in Buffalo on the 25th.


Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 19:52:25 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Mine's a secret but you can bet Steely Dan is either 1st or a close 2nd. :)

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 18:55:37 ET
Posted by: wildbare, ohio

Recently, we met on the net someone claiming to be Steeley Dan himself. As we are great fans of his, we did a little conversing. He invited us to his large ranch in Oregon. Hunting, fishing, etc. What I would like to know is this: would this really be Walter or a wannabe?

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 15:33:48 ET
Posted by: That'll just about do it, for lists

Steely Dan
England Dan
Dan Fogelberg
Dan Aykroyd
DANke Schon

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 15:18:32 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Reg top 5/ Steely Dan/ Bacharach/Beatles/Who/ Dylan' tried to represent it all there/ prob change my mind with the weather but that is one hell of a lineup!

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 13:01:36 ET
Posted by: Let George do it, ...*

Steely Dan
George Harrison
George O'Dowd
George Jones
George Strait
(George I)van Morrison

(* ...and yes, I'm just funnin' ya. It's monday, gotta make your own fun.)

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 11:33:34 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

1. Steely Dan

2. The Nightfly Trilogy

3. The Duke Ellington suites

4. Lars-Erik Larsson's "God In Disguise" suite

5. "Painted From Memory" by Costello/Bacharach

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 11:19:06 ET
Posted by: Effen, A

It all gets fuzzy for me after the top 2. (I consider Fagen's solo discography significant enough to rate him as a separate entity.)

Who else's records do I still want to hear more than once every blue moon after so many years?

Or, as Walter once answered a similar question, "I thought the last 5 Milli Vanilli CD's were really bitchin'."

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 10:09:05 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Steely Dan
Elvis Costello
Beach Boys
Art Pepper

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 09:56:43 ET

I am very curious about other peoples top 5 of all-time!!!
i have the utmost respect for fellow Steely Dan fans musical
tastes!!thanx btw i repeated my list twice because it was so good!!
actually i fucked up!!!

Date: Mon, April 04, 2011, 08:16:25 ET
Posted by: tormmh, New York

uEWiKr <a href="">jeckvyffonak</a>, [url=]hueppmrjsmue[/url], [link=]wkifytyuiusn[/link],

Date: Sun, April 03, 2011, 09:47:21 ET
Posted by: Mike,

*correction* illustrate

Date: Sun, April 03, 2011, 09:46:45 ET
Posted by: Mike, @The Dean

That the labels can only wag their finger at internet sharing, p2p sites, et al. showcases their short-sighted approach to the market. Record sales down? Of course, it's all the internet's fault. (They're angry because they want to regulate the internet just like they've done with TV and radio ...but can't.) What they fail to illsutrate is that while record sales have slowed, digital sales have grown exponentially over the past several years, more than compensating for the decrease in physical format, especially when you consider that they forego all manufacturing costs.

If album sales are down, that's a reflection of the music quality (or lack thereof) on offer and poor market penetration. They don't find great new artists that are capable of captivating the public interest like The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Elvis, Michael Jackson, The Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Wonder, Steely Dan, and many others that came before. Sorry but the likes of Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are only suitable for the most naive listener and will inevitably have a short life-span; even if initial sales are high, their back catalogs will be virtually worthless because the music simply doesn't hold up.

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 18:56:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Wathing the NCAA Final Four during Happy Hour!

Doc Mu,

I missed your post from way back in February about Esperanza Spalding. I have to agree it was great to see her get the nod over prefab Bieber and those of his ilk.

But I also wanted to comment about your comment regarding the demise of the major record labels. I noted earlier I was involved in a startup company that tested music for the marketing depts of record companies. Well, we were invited to one of the majors to present to their dept at the "end of the year" meeting. After what I witnessed in that meeting, I'm surprised they still exist in any form.

The head of the dept spent a good 45 minutes to an hour giving his staff excuses for their consistent decline in performance. He railed on about Internet downloads, peer-to-peer sharing, etc. All good points, of course. But he didn't even spend one minute challenging his team to USE the new media. To become creative in their marketing and use the Internet and sharing to better market the product. I would have fired his ass on the spot.

And, Jaydee. Great stuff. I laughed my ass off.

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 15:03:52 ET
Posted by: LA BABY, santa monkina

More official scalping that is misleading. Live Nations' Tower gig page - two tabs. The Box Office tab brins you to face value seats . the other one Official Platinum are hundreds more. no clear explanation either. This is criminal. BEWARE FANS!

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 10:51:14 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ouch!

Finally April 2 now.
Stay away from my list, Justin!

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 10:24:31 ET
Posted by: A non e-mouse, Shoes

Haven't seen it mentioned though maybe I just simply missed it...

Anyone else seen the DSW commercial (at least one, maybe there are variations?) where one woman strolls over to another one---presumably a complete stranger---and just simply asks "Where'd you get those shoes?" Would have been a nice touch to have one of the women eating a pretzel. Of course, would have been an even nicer touch to be playing the song.

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 09:50:32 ET
Posted by: John, Darms

Napoleon - Dangential?

Jaydee - funny (some actually though it was real...even funnier)

Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 07:50:12 ET
Posted by: Napoleon, U.K

Ever gone out and met your friends at a bar or a club only to find out that you're wearing the same shirt as one them? Sure it can cause embarrassment, maybe even start a little bitching. However there are several ways to play it...

1.) You either laugh about it and admire each others great taste in what is a fantastic garment (but ask them where they got it)

2.) Force the other person in to taking it off and humiliating them in front of your peers and potential admirers

3.) Maybe customize the shirt and rip off parts of it so you look different from each other


4.) Leave as soon as possible and go to a different bar where a whole new crowd of people can compliment you on your shirt


Date: Sat, April 02, 2011, 03:07:10 ET
Posted by: llonycour, New York

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Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 19:42:07 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, top 5:

1. Steely Dan
2. Frank Zappa
3. Duke Ellington
4. Astor Piazzolla
5. Django Reinhard

Runner-up: Justin Bieber

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 16:28:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Out Early And Headed Back Down To The Water


My apologies to you also.
To paraphrase Jarrett,
"I guess sometimes being a total asshole just makes life more interesting".


Thanks for that.
I would have missed it also.

But where were you about a week ago?! ;O)

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 13:39:11 ET

Truce, im done btw i luv the dan second on all time fav list
2-the dan
3-frank sinatra
4-the replacements

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 13:39:10 ET

Truce, im done btw i luv the dan second on all time fav list
2-the dan
3-frank sinatra
4-the replacements

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 11:06:24 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, april fooled

Please. Haven't you got bigger fonts? I forgot my glasses.

Dylan is great of course, AND he does what all the others does.

Listen to "Beyond The Horizon" from "Modern Times" and compare to "Red Sails In The Sunset" by Hugh Williams (pseudonym for Will Grosz).Any version, but one of my favorite versions is with The Platters, so I recommend that one.
That's just one example. Let's not wear everyone out again.

[ ]

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 09:50:52 ET


Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 09:07:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Mike, Ray, Jazzasassin; Always it's understood that you love the Dan are our Steely bruthas.

JayDee. Thanks for the updates-- I would have missed that if it weren't for you. I don't like to break anonymity but back about 2-3 years ago, I was at what I'd call an "Assholes Anonymous" meeting here in Chicago. I'm not sure it was Keith Jarrett, but I think he might have been playing Symphony Center or Ravina around the time. Anyhow, some guy named Keith was there--not sure it was Jarrett-- and he had the names Donny and Walty on his 8th step amends list. Perhaps that guy is now working on his 9th step.



Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 08:50:58 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Well, it seems, a timely confession from Jarrett himself :

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 08:49:00 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ☼ ☺ ☼

I'm so relieved to read those last posts from you guys!

If I, through my engagement in the somewhat heated discussion, ever contributed to some over-heating, I too sincerely apologize for that.

For me, there was many interesting things to be learned from the discussion, after all.

And though not being totally new to Horace Silver's catalog, I never dug deep into it until now, but surely will.
So thanks to Hoops and others that pointed him out.

That people who participates in internet discussions about their favorite topic sometimes will end up angry with eachother, is nothing new. But I must say I think it's rather rare that they actually all, after very little time, really makes an effort to make up and go on like good friends rather than just keep on pissing eachother off.
Where else but on the Bluebook? I love you all!

Make-up sex, anyone? Oh, I forgot, most of you are probably male and I'm straight, so let's keep it on the oral, or should I say verbal level.... :D

Date: Fri, April 01, 2011, 08:02:27 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Hoops, it was never my intention to begin a heated argument. I'm not a newcomer to the Blue, but I do come here on occasion to discuss things Dan-related.

Jim Steele, don't blame yourself. Bringing up Keith Jarrett in and of itself doesn't make you wrong.

Lurker Ray, sorry for calling you a condescending prick. I know how strongly you feel about the Dan and wish you well.

There. Everything is as it should be.

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 22:45:37 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Jim Steele,

Please except my sincere apology
if I came on a bit strong.
But when someone, especially
relatively new, comes here and says
things like, "Hey did you guys know
that Donald Fagen & Walter Becker
ripped-off a lot of music?" I got
a bit annoyed to say the least.

If you are going to be out west
for a show this year, please allow me
to buy you a libation of some sort
that is legal to your age of course ;O)

I too am looking forward to some
deep cuts this summer.
How about it Atlanta & Philly,
any news on the internet voting ballot?

And hoops,
Right as usual please forgive us.
I know Mike probably feels the same.

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 22:30:30 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

Well I must say its great to see the Dan coming to Toronto this summer. Not My favorite venue but got good front & centre tix.

I'm also thinking of a trip to NY for a Beacon show. Kind of waiting to see what's going on each night. We want Wu! We want Rose!

In addition to Steely Dan, I have an equal love of Springsteen's music. Love him or hate him, one thing Bruce does that fellow Hall of Famers Steely Dan don't do, is put out new music on a regular basis. No matter. I love 'em both!

With regard to the recent somewhat vile discussion about artists ripping off other artists....heres a quote from discussing Bruce's upcoming chats with Steve Van Zandt on Little Steven's Underground Garage

"Mr. Van Zandt said he was also surprised by a segment in which Mr. Springsteen picked up a guitar and demonstrated how his song Prove It All Night was more or less lifted from The Animals' Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood."

So, whoever said all the best ones do it is absolutely right. George Harrison had to go to court for his alleged rip-off of He's So Fine.
I guess he was channelling the Shirelles whilst sing about His Sweet Lord :)

Here's to a great tour,

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 20:52:55 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Nobody's fault but mine

Mike, Lurker Ray, I wish to accept the sole blame for starting this argument and would love if you guys stopped. The truth lies in the hearts of Becker and Fagen alone and whether they did borrow from Jarrett's composition or not is insignificant thirty years later. I for one like Gaucho AND Long As You Know You're Living Yours and think they are perfect companion pieces. It was me who started this whole stupid argument about the similarities of Dan and other artists, (and I admit I shouldn’t have, as I am musically ignorant) as well as the concurrent arguments that it led up to. I see my guilt seething through the hatred of your posts and whole heartedly agree with Hoops that this argument should end now.

You two are here for the same reason as me and every other scurvy brother on this board, to celebrate a phenomenal band and all the brilliant, genius musicians who made Steely Dan possible. I don't care if I get disowned or bashed on here for my impulsive posts and I still consider you guys my Steely brothers in arms.

So, on a happier side note, who's going to the predictably awesome shows this year? I am and it's my first one too! I hope we get a real deep tracks concert! :)

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 18:25:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

Ray, Mike:

Give it a break for a bit. Appreciate your passion but, not so good for us.

Borrowing a riff or two or more is common especially amongst jazzers. Maybe it's a 40s-80s precursor to sampling. In jazz, it's quite acceptable and oft recognized as favorable thing by the artist to get a nod. Van Morrison and the late John Lee Hooker used to also go back and forth, cheerfully lifting and then with a wink and smile not officially give credit--although they clearly got a kick out of it.

But most of all, as a listener, it ends up making more interested in the artist from which the riff was copped.

For instance, a perceived connection between Horace Silver's "Song For My Father" and "Rikki..." if oft discussed in this area between Danfans. And because of Steely Dan, I own several Horace Silver albums -- play 'em to death. BTW: After purchasing a live version of Silver with "Song For My Father," I was also introduced to Silver's "Africa Queen." I've brought it up here before--seems like "African Queen" had some influence on the title track of "Pretzel Logic." No oe else has ever responded one way or another but even if I imagine this connection, it's a good feeling.

Best wishes,


Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 17:59:28 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Lurker Ray

Lurker Ray: "So now Mike is the victim,
after calling people pricks
he now claims he was just an
innocent little victim, calmly
standing minding his own business
until the nasty men with long knives
came by."

Here's some of what you said to me:

Lurker Ray: "Like the Dean so wisely pointed out,
"Either way, only someone petty would deride it"
Especially people who call themselves
Steely Dan fans on a said Steely Dan
"fan" site."

"Like Dean pointed out, the matter
was petty. And for you to support
and gloat over such a miscarriage
and exploit of a broken judicial
system makes you seem just as petty.
And not much of a supporter of the
truth and Steely Dan for that matter.
Why are you here? Are you in fact
a failed whatever with a "tin ear"
looking to settle a score?"

For one thing, I don't need to defend my status as a SD fan to you nor anyone else, nor do I owe an explanation for my stance in regards to the whole SD/Jarrett issue. Alleging that I'm a non-SD fan with tin ears and taking up a condescending attitude makes it clear that you were looking to pick a fight.

Lurker Ray: "Why don't you check your own
posts lil Mickey. Like the one
from Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:25:50 ET
Where you had to point your nose
in an exchange that didn't even concern you."

Let's go back over the full thing. I was discussing songwriting and briefly made mention that they borrowed ideas from other people. Somebody else brought up Jarrett and that's when the argument began. All I said to you was:

"Um, not really. Donald admitted in court his admiration for Keith Jarrett's tune which is the same as admitting that he liberally borrowed from his tune. In that particular instance, the similarities more than speak for themself. That's all in the past now... (For the record, I prefer Gaucho by a mile.)"

Now, explain: How was that being insulting and looking for a fight? What, because I DISAGREED with you?

Lurker Ray: "There never was a court hearing and yet
you seem to know that if someone "likes"
something that means that they "liberally
borrowed from his tune." A one man
music biz judge & jury. You defend Jarrett
but many of us think it was petty and
legal extortion what happened to D&W."

That they borrowed from Jarrett is obvious enough. The only way that I believe someone could think otherwise is if they harbor a serious bias towards SD. Furthermore, D printed the article in which both Don & Walt admitted that A) they knew of Jarrett's tune, and B) they freely borrow ideas from other people. Whatever one thinks of Jarret, personality issues notwithstanding, he has the right to protect his artistic works. Whether or not he should've taken legal action is more a ethical question than a legal one.

"So sorry we hurt your wittle feelings.
But please don't lie. You came looking
for a fight and you got your feelings hurt.
Tell the truth. And stop playing the
victim. Truly spineless."

Keep being insulting; your lack of maturity really shows. I don't care for picking fights with anyone -- that's all in your head. I'll let others decide who the confrontational poster is.

Lurker Ray: "Lurker Dan,

Yes creepy best describes you.
I bet you nervously typed that from
the darkness of your parents basement
where you still live. Mike is a big boy
and doesn't need some anon troll to fight
his battles. At least I didn't think
he did."

Seems like anybody who dares to express opposing views to you is automatically labelled a troll. *sigh*

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 17:17:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Can You Say Beach Day?!

So now Mike is the victim,
after calling people pricks
he now claims he was just an
innocent little victim, calmly
standing minding his own business
until the nasty men with long knives
came by.

Why don't you check your own
posts lil Mickey. Like the one
from Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:25:50 ET
Where you had to point your nose
in an exchange that didn't even concern you.

"Lurker Ray: Um, not really. Donald admitted in court his admiration for Keith Jarrett's tune which is the same as admitting that he liberally borrowed from his tune."

There never was a court hearing and yet
you seem to know that if someone "likes"
something that means that they "liberally
borrowed from his tune." A one man
music biz judge & jury. You defend Jarrett
but many of us think it was petty and
legal extortion what happened to D&W.

So sorry we hurt your wittle feelings.
But please don't lie. You came looking
for a fight and you got your feelings hurt.
Tell the truth. And stop playing the
victim. Truly spineless.

Lurker Dan,

Yes creepy best describes you.
I bet you nervously typed that from
the darkness of your parents basement
where you still live. Mike is a big boy
and doesn't need some anon troll to fight
his battles. At least I didn't think
he did.

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 12:36:50 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Just like Hutch to always bring in the right spirit (or the right note!)

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 10:51:15 ET
Posted by: Hutch, @ the soda fountain

What'll it or brown?
Looks like the definitive recipe:

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 09:41:11 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick, as always these days

Thanks for the heads up about Jon Herington. Many thanks.


A woman I used to work with use say that it could take her five years to form an intelligent, informed, albeit sometimes sharp, opinion on something. But then she realized it took her five more years not to present her opinion to others like a bitch. So she worked on that aspect--that people would ignore her praiseworthy insights because she'd used present them with such unnecessary vile that people would get defensive.

I see a lot of great insights here presented, only to have them dismissed because they are framed with unnecessary personal attacks or poorly executed snarkiness.

Been there, done that myself.

My two piasters and that's maybe too much.



Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 09:23:45 ET
Posted by: Jon Herington on the radio 8 am Pacific (in 90 minutes!), <-streaming

Various streaming links here:

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 08:53:55 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Lurker Dan, no surpirse here. I was discussing songwriting and then because I briefly mentioned that D&W borrow ideas from others (as do ALL artists), someone else brought up the whole Jarrett fiasco. This offended many folks as they believe D&W to be infallible. They needed a target to cure their bruised egos, so they chose me. Simple as that.

Date: Thurs, March 31, 2011, 01:48:31 ET
Posted by: Lurker Dan, Danland, USA

Don’t bother too much about Lurker Ray, the great unknown, self appointed sheriff for all things Steely Dan. He has good knowledge but is totally obsessive and disrespectful.
Needs a life.
Will offend people, because he can.
A keyboard hero. The ultimate troll, really.
It has been suspected that he is one of the reasons Don and Walt are avoiding fan sites such as this, calling them “creepy”.
They sure have a better sense of humor and must pity those tortured souls, battling on their behalf with no battle on hand.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 19:39:01 ET
Posted by: Tony, The Jersey shore

Let's end this, please.

If I want to read fiction, I will get out a Hesse or Huxley book from my paperback college library, from a box in my attic.

I tried to buy Borgata SD tix on Monday, but the Steely Dan website was off by 2 months. Tix go on sale May 28th for The Borgata in Atlantic City.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 19:04:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, outro

I was tempted to go further, but will take the good Klaus and the zzzzzznorer's advice. Enough is enough. I feel no need to get the last word on this, which would apparently be impossible anyway.

Btw, did I ever mention how much I adore the Dan? I adore the Dan! :)

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 17:12:08 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Lurker Ray: "Mike,

Since when is Wikipedia the judge
& jury of all things questionable?
I mean really, I could go to the
same article and type in that "Mike
is an idiot" and it would probably
stay there for days. You really are
going to produce a Wikipedia quote
as your case closer? Your jaw-dropping,
jury startling, case winning summation?
That's your Henry Fonda switchblade stuck
in the table moment?"

D already posted the relevant interview. The Wikipedia was but one of various online articles which relate the SD-Jarrett case.

"Man does that wimpy wet fart make me laugh."


"You and your doubles partner DYLNFAN
really come across as childish. I mean really,
you can’t even answer me directly instead
you respond through posts to others."

Because you resort to direct insults like alleging that I'm not a "real" fan, I'm a troll, et al. BTW, who's childish?

"Let's take a closer look at your sad
Wikipedia Exhibit A. Again we ask you
where does it ever say that Donald &
Walter ever admitted to maliciously or
consciously-in a premeditated manner
ever stealing anything from Keith Jarrett?
They were forced and threatened to settle
by greedy lawyers."

Nobody forced them to do anything; they opted for the settlement because it was obvious they didn't stand a chance in court.

"No real Steely Dan fan would be happy
with the fact that Donald and Walter
were legally extorted to pay Jarrett."

Who said that I was happy about it? But personal bias aside, copyright exists for a reason: primarily, to protect the author's ownership of said works. Should 'artistic integrity' only matter when it's a violation of an artist of personal preference?

"You take glee and wallow in their
misfortune. Those are the traits of
the worse kind of human being."

Blatant fabrication.

"You can't even use civilized discourse, you
resort to petty foul language and
name calling which shows your true colors,
an angry failed whatever with a sense
of entitlement and probably a Facebook

...Show me all this supposed name-calling coming from myself. Perhaps you've mistaken your own condescending posts for mine?

"The Dude might abide, but not me.
But Keith is right. It is time for
us to stop feeding this troll. And
so I will. Sorry folks for enabling."

Oh sure. Trying to close things on YOUR terms. Sorry, I'm not buying your BS.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 16:59:20 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Wow/ I think weve wore this one out folks. How about them Yankees' or better yet I wonder what the set list will look like this year.When it gets to the point where we are all pissing each other off lets turn left and return to the Dan. Just sayin. A bunch of bright people on this board/ no doubt' but the anger is starting to feel tangible so lets get back to what we all enjoy/ the music not the legal and questions of whats ethical or not. By the way I am way more interested in how the Orioles are doing! I hope thats not another argument.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 16:51:39 ET
Posted by: zzzZZZzzZZZ, etc.

It's time for

I promise not to visit.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 16:31:29 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Since when is Wikipedia the judge
& jury of all things questionable?
I mean really, I could go to the
same article and type in that "Mike
is an idiot" and it would probably
stay there for days. You really are
going to produce a Wikipedia quote
as your case closer? Your jaw-dropping,
jury startling, case winning summation?
That's your Henry Fonda switchblade stuck
in the table moment?

Man does that wimpy wet fart make me laugh.

You and your doubles partner DYLNFAN
really come across as childish. I mean really,
you can’t even answer me directly instead
you respond through posts to others.
Let's take a closer look at your sad
Wikipedia Exhibit A. Again we ask you
where does it ever say that Donald &
Walter ever admitted to maliciously or
consciously-in a premeditated manner
ever stealing anything from Keith Jarrett?
They were forced and threatened to settle
by greedy lawyers.

No real Steely Dan fan would be happy
with the fact that Donald and Walter
were legally extorted to pay Jarrett.
You take glee and wallow in their
misfortune. Those are the traits of
the worse kind of human being. You
can't even use civilized discourse, you
resort to petty foul language and
name calling which shows your true colors,
an angry failed whatever with a sense
of entitlement and probably a Facebook

The Dude might abide, but not me.
But Keith is right. It is time for
us to stop feeding this troll. And
so I will. Sorry folks for enabling.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 15:45:59 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Stone: "Mike is not a fan folks. He's what you would call a troll. And I was always taught not to feed the trolls. Especially trolls with tin ears
who claim to know music. They are the worst kind. So please do not feed this troll any more. Real fans would like to talk about the upcoming tour. They haven't been on the road since 2009!"

After all, only "real fans" do as Stone says.

Jazzassin: "Let me answer you last question first, so you know a little more about with whom you are discussing: No, I'm not a proffessional musician / artist. I'm a stage lighting designer and amateur musician who happens to adore Steely Dan's music, and think of them as the best artists and songwriters in history outside the world of pure jazz artists."

Reason for me asking if you're an artist is because unless you're in their shoes, you can't really claim to assuage just how much one's work means to them personally. Sure, some don't take their work very seriously ...but others do, particularly those who've labored tremendously, moreso than you or I know.

"Sure enough, and it was intentionally written that way. It was meant to be a little humorous."

Don't get me wrong, I understand your good intentions with regards to your last comment. But needless to say, if D&W thought that they could've won in the courtroom, they wouldn't have settled for that much money out of court. The fix was in and they knew it.

"If I were in the position to re-write the copyright laws, It wouldn't be possible to make a lawsuit based on those similarities. So yes, I actually condone those similarities.
And no, technically they did not recreate Jarrett's song note-by-note."

Close enough that anyone without "tin ears" can spot the similarity right away (that was a swipe at Stone, not you). If it had been a case of Jarrett lifting from, say, Aja and it came to blows, the SD fanbase would be backing the boys, naturally. The copyright laws are such that they protect the original author's works. Otherwise, everybody would be free to plagarize from anyone and ownership of an author's work would thus be rendered meaningless. If they felt they didn't have anything worth protecting, they wouldn't bother to copyright their own work.

"They were obviously influenced and inspired, which is what they admitted to be. The use of double bass vs bass guitar and the notes played on them, the drumming and drum sound, some details in the piano part and sax part all makes differences enough to me, at least."

Regardless of a few changes, it was still obvious enough they copied it, and when they came out and admitted Jarrett's influence, they incriminated themselves, essentially.

"The reason I think sampling is in another category, is that when you manually play and record something, the result will always be different than the original work, and you don't get much for free except the musical idea itself."

But then what about the original work that went into the structure and arrangement of a tune? If copied in a obvious manner, it's still taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own, is it not?

"If you sample from "Gaucho", you will take advantage of many things: D&W's songwriting talent, the performance of some of the worlds best session musicians, the several hundred hours that Roger Nichols spent on developing the drum sequencer and programming every event in fuckin' 8085 Assembly programming language, all the money burned on this, the efforts of the mixdown & mastering engineers etc.
That's actually quite a difference to me.
As I said, It IS the original work, and they should ask permission to use it, eventually come to an agreement on credits and payment."

I fail to see the logic in that. Perhaps Ray Parker Jr. shouldn't owe Huey Lewis & The News for plagarizing their work. What's the use in copyrighting one's own work if others are free to plagarize it? What you seem to be saying is: Just don't sample and you're free to copy anything.

"History shows that it would've been wise to obfuscate the inspirational source a little bit more to avoid all possibilities of a lawsuit. But that's easy to say in retrospect, and was maybe not that easy to see clearly at the time of making it. After all, they made "Gaucho" a totally different song than LAYKYLY in an overall perspective, and it has so many signature Dan elements that it could not have been written by anyone else whatsoever."

But just because they altered the original song to suit their tastes doesn't eliminate the fact that they still utilized many aspects of it, arrangement and otherwise.

"So Jarrett's tune was inspirational and they have some obvious similarities. Pesonally I would prefer if that was allowed without risking lawsuits.
As several posters have mentioned many times earlier in this discussion, composers have always worked in that manner.
If every composer that ever felt his work was being recycled through other composers work went to court, the courtrooms would have to be staffed 24/7/365, and tort lawyers would be even more wealthy than is the case today."

There's a difference between inspiration and copying. Jarrett's tune was more than inspirational -- it formed the basis for Gaucho. Again, regardless of whether or not Jarrett is a miserable prick in real life, the court isn't interested in the personality of the artist(s) in question nor the personal biases of all those involved; the court is only concerned with evidence to which there was more than sufficient to suit Jarrett's case.

"There are degrees of utilizing. I think I have answered that question in the above."


"Generally i wish all composers - SD, KJ and every other cold be generous in such matters, and rather spend their time at home improving music, rather than in court.
The exeption would be sampling, for the mentioned reasons."

A free-for-all where everyone is able to life from other works without running the risk of repercussions?

"If you're good enough, you will probably be able to make a living from it whatsoever, and both Jarrett and Steely Dan are good examples of that.

Else, don't quit your day job."

That's another topic altogther. Nevertheless, I welcome the discussion.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 15:22:37 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, can't spell

LeonHART, not hard, dammit!

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 15:14:10 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, hearing more differences than similarities

@Shark DeVille:

Hi man, long time!

With all respect, to my ears, Cherchez La Femme don't sound the least bit more like GP than LAYKYLY sounds like Gaucho.

What's important to me, and what my (hopefully not totally tin) ears tell me, is that:

"Cherchez La Femme" sounds exactly like Dr.Buzzard's Original Savannah Band.

"Long As You Know You're Living Yours" sounds exactly like Keith Jarrett, and could probably not have been made by anyone else.

"Gaucho" sounds exactly like Steely Dan, and could sure as hell never have been made by anyone else.

If anyone listens to Gaucho vs LAYKYLY or Glamour Profession vs CLF, and then have even the slightest problems with telling which is which, I'd say those ears are more than tin. They're gone. Absent. Cut off.


Right now I wish I lived in the US. I too, want to go to SD shows. ;(
Unfortunately my economy and other circumstances says I can't go for a holiday with the Dan in the US this year, but I'm still clinging to that last remain of hope that they might eventually add some european dates in my neighborhood.

I wish you all some golden moments of musical bliss, though, and look forward to read reviews. I also look forward to hear what Don and Mr. Leonhard is cooking up. Wouldn't surprise me much if it will be another masterpiece. Pretty sure, actually.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 14:02:07 ET
Posted by: Stone, Keith Stone

Mike is not a fan folks. He's what you would call a troll. And I was always taught not to feed the trolls. Especially trolls with tin ears
who claim to know music. They are the worst kind. So please do not feed this troll any more. Real fans would like to talk about the upcoming tour. They haven't been on the road since 2009!

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 13:53:37 ET
Posted by: shark, laughin at the rain

Dr. Buzzard's "Cherchez La Femme" bears a lot more similarity to "Glamour Profession" than "Gaucho" does to Jarrett's "As Long As..."

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 12:50:46 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, my naive hippie reflections

Let me answer you last question first, so you know a little more about with whom you are discussing: No, I'm not a proffessional musician / artist. I'm a stage lighting designer and amateur musician who happens to adore Steely Dan's music, and think of them as the best artists and songwriters in history outside the world of pure jazz artists.

Me: "Personally, if Don & Walt ever made anything that was inspired by or similar to something I had done, I'd be so fucking proud and bragging you guys would hate me within a few days. :D
And I would've had to ask: not what THEY owed ME for the use of those notes, but rather what I owed THEM for the divine refinement of an otherwise mediocre idea."

Mike: "This is idealistic thinking from a naive perspective"

Sure enough, and it was intentionally written that way. It was meant to be a little humorous.

Mike:"In Gaucho's case, they practically recreated Jarrett's tune and arrangement note-for-note and didn't originally give him any credit whatsoever. Are you condoning this? Is this any less bad than when a rap/hip-hop artist samples someone else's work w/o getting permission? If so, how?"

If I were in the position to re-write the copyright laws, It wouldn't be possible to make a lawsuit based on those similarities. So yes, I actually condone those similarities.
And no, technically they did not recreate Jarrett's song note-by-note.
They were obviously influenced and inspired, which is what they admitted to be. The use of double bass vs bass guitar and the notes played on them, the drumming and drum sound, some details in the piano part and sax part all makes differences enough to me, at least.

The reason I think sampling is in another category, is that when you manually play and record something, the result will always be different than the original work, and you don't get much for free except the musical idea itself.

When you sample, it IS the original work.

If you sample from "Gaucho", you will take advantage of many things: D&W's songwriting talent, the performance of some of the worlds best session musicians, the several hundred hours that Roger Nichols spent on developing the drum sequencer and programming every event in fuckin' 8085 Assembly programming language, all the money burned on this, the efforts of the mixdown & mastering engineers etc.
That's actually quite a difference to me.
As I said, It IS the original work, and they should ask permission to use it, eventually come to an agreement on credits and payment.

Me: "Generally: Go ahead and use whatever inspiration you can find, but at least try to be a little original in your choice of sources and in your own creational process."

Mike: "IOW, obfuscate the source material to the point where it doesn't blatantly sound like the original which is what D&W should've done in the first place.

History shows that it would've been wise to obfuscate the inspirational source a little bit more to avoid all possibilities of a lawsuit. But that's easy to say in retrospect, and was maybe not that easy to see clearly at the time of making it. After all, they made "Gaucho" a totally different song than LAYKYLY in an overall perspective, and it has so many signature Dan elements that it could not have been written by anyone else whatsoever.

So Jarrett's tune was inspirational and they have some obvious similarities. Pesonally I would prefer if that was allowed without risking lawsuits.
As several posters have mentioned many times earlier in this discussion, composers have always worked in that manner.
If every composer that ever felt his work was being recycled through other composers work went to court, the courtrooms would have to be staffed 24/7/365, and tort lawyers would be even more wealthy than is the case today.

Me: "If someone wants to use a pre-recorded piece of music made by others for sampling and integration in a rap/hiphop/techno context in a way that maintains the original work in a recognizable way, they should ask permission, eventally give writing credits and/or pay for it."

Mike: "In fact, this speaks to the integrity of the artist, that they'd want to protect their work and flies contradictory to what you just said. Whether sampled or a recreation of said tune, it's still utilizing someone else's work for self-gain."

There are degrees of utilizing. I think I have answered that question in the above.

Generally i wish all composers - SD, KJ and every other cold be generous in such matters, and rather spend their time at home improving music, rather than in court.
The exeption would be sampling, for the mentioned reasons.

If you're good enough, you will probably be able to make a living from it whatsoever, and both Jarrett and Steely Dan are good examples of that.

Else, don't quit your day job.

This is not a tennis match, and no one is supposed to "win".
It's a civilized discussion, and everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Btw, no one "robs" from the history of music like Dylan on his later albums.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 12:11:15 ET
Posted by: Your Gold Keith, nyc

And this discussion has been an ongoing on the boards since 1995, I believe (Pat?!) The Yellow gave me my online moniker - suggested by another for my fandom handle.

It is indeed possible to both be a fan of Jarrett AND Steely Dan.


Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 11:31:29 ET

Game,Set, Match Mike

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 10:56:52 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Wikipedia: "Another lawsuit dogged the band, this time regarding the title track for the album. Jazz composer Keith Jarrett claimed that the song had been based on one of his own compositions, entitled "Long As You Know You're Living Yours". Fagen later admitted he'd loved the song and was strongly influenced by it. Jarrett sued for copyright infringement and eventually settled for a sum of approximately one million dollars, the deal stipulating that Becker and Fagen keep the songwriting credit. Fagen later told the press that maintaining their reputations as songwriters was an important factor in the decision to settle for such a substantial sum."

There's artistic self-preservation hard at work. Since their integrity as a songwriting duo was too important, they settled for $1 million.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 10:37:22 ET
Posted by: Mike,

A. Forunata: "Keithy Jarrett defines pomposity. NOT a 'regular' guy. Takes himself way too seriously."

I agree. But if D&W found that somebody lifted the main harmonic riff and bass line from, say, Peg, would they not take the infringers into court or at least try for a settlement out of court or do you believe that they'd let it slide?

Jazzassin: "If someone is inspired by other artists works, and creates something that has some general similarities to that, I'd call it inspiration.
If the similarities are on a very detailed level, I'd call it a tribute, a hommage or a quote.
In both cases it should be possible to do so free of charge.
If the new work has longer passages (i.e. eight bars ore more) that is an exact carbon copy of the older work, I'd say the original composer should get shared writing credits."

In Gaucho's case, they practically recreated Jarrett's tune and arrangement note-for-note and didn't originally give him any credit whatsoever. Are you condoning this? Is this any less bad than when a rap/hip-hop artist samples someone else's work w/o getting permission? If so, how?

"Generally: Go ahead and use whatever inspiration you can find, but at least try to be a little original in your choice of sources and in your own creational process."

IOW, obfuscate the source material to the point where it doesn't blatantly sound like the original which is what D&W should've done in the first place.

"If someone wants to use a pre-recorded piece of music made by others for sampling and integration in a rap/hiphop/techno context in a way that maintains the original work in a recognizable way, they should ask permission, eventally give writing credits and/or pay for it."

In fact, this speaks to the integrity of the artist, that they'd want to protect their work and flies contradictory to what you just said. Whether sampled or a recreation of said tune, it's still utilizing someone else's work for self-gain.

"Personally, if Don & Walt ever made anything that was inspired by or similar to something I had done, I'd be so fucking proud and bragging you guys would hate me within a few days. :D
And I would've had to ask: not what THEY owed ME for the use of those notes, but rather what I owed THEM for the divine refinement of an otherwise mediocre idea."

This is idealistic thinking from a naive perspective. If you labored to create a work of art and then found that someone else was 'borrowing' your material and making money off it, SD or not SD, wouldn't your pride as an artist (are you?) get in the way and demand some share in the profit and songwriting credit?

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 10:11:03 ET
Posted by: A. Forunata,

Keithy Jarrett defines pomposity. NOT a "regular" guy. Takes himself way too seriously.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 10:02:06 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, copyrights & copywrongs

The lasting idea of the shared ownership of all possible notes and the combination of them (which is actually infinite) should be the general guideline for intellectual property, IMO.

The terms "steal" and "theft" are very strong words both in a juridical and an everyday language context. I'm in no way an expert on american copyright laws so I can't go into the details of what's what in the currently existing laws, but I have an opinion on how I think things ideally should've been:

If someone, under their own name, publish something they actually didn't make themselves, and that wasn't already published by the real artist behind the work, I'd definitely call that "theft". That situation is very rare, indeed.

If someone is inspired by other artists works, and creates something that has some general similarities to that, I'd call it inspiration.
If the similarities are on a very detailed level, I'd call it a tribute, a hommage or a quote.
In both cases it should be possible to do so free of charge.
If the new work has longer passages (i.e. eight bars ore more) that is an exact carbon copy of the older work, I'd say the original composer should get shared writing credits.

Generally: Go ahead and use whatever inspiration you can find, but at least try to be a little original in your choice of sources and in your own creational process.

If someone wants to use a pre-recorded piece of music made by others for sampling and integration in a rap/hiphop/techno context in a way that maintains the original work in a recognizable way, they should ask permission, eventally give writing credits and/or pay for it.

Personally, if Don & Walt ever made anything that was inspired by or similar to something I had done, I'd be so fucking proud and bragging you guys would hate me within a few days. :D
And I would've had to ask: not what THEY owed ME for the use of those notes, but rather what I owed THEM for the divine refinement of an otherwise mediocre idea.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 09:32:48 ET
Posted by: Mike,

ygk, I think you've nailed it down pat. Every idea has been used and it's now a matter of reworking old ones, more or less. That being said, however, I think we can agree that even if an artist borrows an idea from another, it ought be done in a discreet manner so as not to make the original influence so obvious to the ear. Has there been a drum break or a harmonic change which hasn't been utilized by now?

“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 08:42:15 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Dean, Mike, Jazz, others:

Re: borrowing/stealing...

Not so much a School of Thought, per se, as some kind of lasting idea, but it's been said - and don't ask who said first - that All of the Notes in the Universe have already been played, and modern composers/musicians/songwriters are merely borrowing them for their own uses. They're merely re-arranging them to fit their own ideas and concepts.
So continuing to use this idea we could say that Keith Jarrett borrowed them for HIS use...and then continue on down the line.

(Don't get me started about Universal Copyright Law - lol)

No doubt we can find (some) tunes in the (early) Dan Catalog that sounds similar to others in the same time frame or slightly before, sparking the whole borrow/steal argument. Eventually, though, what I think becomes what we consider "lasting" is what is most unique, and in that regard, I think Steely Dan has a considerable corner of the market on Unique, wholly Original works, which speaks to the original talents and abilities of the Two.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 08:21:17 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Jazzassin

Sorry. I got you both mixed up somehow.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 08:14:12 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, never wrote that

You just confused me with the Dean.

Date: Wed, March 30, 2011, 07:36:24 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Jazzassin: "Your shot at Ray seems a bit off-base too, IMO. He simply stated he doubted Walt and Don plagiarize (or rip-off) other musicians. It seems as though you agree they borrow in the same manner as most quality musicians. Maybe I'm missing something in the debate here."

No, he didn't simply state that he doubted that D&W plagarize other people's works -- he also saw fit to accuse me of being a non-SD fan. Nevermind that it's blatantly obvious by now that they did syphon ideas from other people (including Jarrett's tune) and they even admitted as much. The difference between a fan such as myself and Ray is that I don't tow the shallow line that anything and everything they decide to do must be wholly original in lieu of who they are. Every single artist steals and copies; Gaucho happened to be a little too obvious. Much as I don't care for Jarrett's music, the reality is there would be no Gaucho if not for him.

Instead of being a pompous prick, Ray should shallow his pride and give credit where credit is due (not to mention do something about his snarky, condescending attitude). People like Ray give the SD fanbase a bad name.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 21:29:31 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - On Ther Veranda With A Fat Tire


Again, we would love to see your
transcript with proof that Donald
& Walter ever maliciously or
consciously-in a premeditated manner
ever stole anything from Keith Jarrett.

That matter and the initiating
magazine interview are a perfect
example of why this litigious
society of ours is in dire need
of tort reform. The matter wouldn't
even of raised a powdered wig in the
UK. Someone said earlier, "They (D&W)
are lucky Jarrett didn't demand
they pull the song all together."
That's because the tool wouldn't
get song writing credit and mucho
dinero if they did pull the song from
a hit album.

Like Dean pointed out, the matter
was petty. And for you to support
and gloat over such a miscarriage
and exploit of a broken judicial
system makes you seem just as petty.
And not much of a supporter of the
truth and Steely Dan for that matter.
Why are you here? Are you in fact
a failed whatever with a "tin ear"
looking to settle a score?

"What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer in the road?

"There are skid marks in front of the dog."

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 19:22:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


I think you hit the nail on the head in your last post. But I don't think anyone has suggested Don and Walt operate in a vacuum and create music fee of any influence from other musicians. Your shot at Ray seems a bit off-base too, IMO. He simply stated he doubted Walt and Don plagiarize (or rip-off) other musicians. It seems as though you agree they borrow in the same manner as most quality musicians. Maybe I'm missing something in the debate here.

Another Scurvy Brother (good choice, BTW), I wish I could tell you some details about the Doom research. Truth is, it was 10+ years ago and I recall few details of any particular tune. I was very involved in trying to develop the methodology and create an understandable reporting system that would allow non-research types to see behind/beyond the numbers to really appreciate the meaning of the data. I do recall a huge number of the qualitative responses to sound-alike alternative schlock suggested the music sounded like Creed. The funny thing is, depending on the context that could be a good or bad thing, to the respondent/band/label/tune.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 13:53:29 ET
Posted by: Stone, Keith Stone

Mike, Yet Another Tin Ear Here On The Blue

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 13:16:35 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

@Chris Ada -- I agree, Doom flipped "Black Cow" totally differently, squeezed the loops through a little phase maybe, and Don's vox sound so tinny--maybe to keep the backing music at a minimum...

@Jazzassin Thanks for the intro to Gatas Parlament. They did a really nice job chopping HAL into that fast cut-time.

@TheDean I would be curious to see what your research into the Wu-Tangential Doom turned up. And yes, Black Bastards might have been a Golden Age hip-hop classic if it hadn't been shelved for a decade.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 13:05:01 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Just something fun!

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 10:56:55 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Jazzassin

I think Stuart Zender, the original bassist for Jamiroquai, was involved with SP. Of course, because both early Jamiroquai and Samuel Purdey were going for a similar funky/acid-jazz 70's-inspired sound, they bear many resemblances.

Back to the borrowing/stealing discussion, I don't believe there's such a thing as a 100% wholly original, completely-devoid-of-outside-influence artist. Therefore, is it such a bad thing to find out that SD borrowed some ideas from other artists? Looking at the original jazz masters of the bygone era, they specialized in taking other people's songs, altering them and performing them as their own. As well, you can hear various influences shine through in their original compositions, much of it classical-inspired. None of this is "wrong" or bad. Even the much-beloved classical composers found influences all about them.

Artists tend to feed off each other, both inside and outside the music spectrum. That Donald & Walter did likewise should come as no surprise. There seems to be this pervasive attempt to give the impression that D&W were somehow always locked away in their own world in the studio during the 70's, bereft of all outside influences except for when they were still growing up, looking for work in the industry. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 10:06:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Shurdey Puffle

Thanks. In fact, I was already aware of Sam Purdey, but must admit I don't percieve it as more Dan-like than a dozen other acts in that field. At least not compared to those other examples you linked to. It's good music though, and some similarities I can hear, of course.
Maybe it's the "lack of" what I think of as some "dark undertows" and a certain humor in SD's music that makes me think so?

However, I think SP and Jamiroquai are musical siblings. Twins, almost.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 08:58:03 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Thanks D for posting (otherwise I would've done likewise).

Pretty funny how Lurker Ray got all uptight at the mere mention of the FACT that D&W borrow ideas from others (and then admit it quite frankly). "OMG! Blasphemy!" Deal with it.

Jazzassin, here's another SD-alike for you: Samuel Purdey. More than a little Doobie Brothers influence in there as well.

Date: Tues, March 29, 2011, 06:25:47 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, & Bob Seger @Trivia, Q:


Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 23:21:10 ET
Posted by: Trivia , Q

Jazz, this is more of a "do you hear what everyone else hears?" That was the best version of the Eagles song I could find on youtube. Apparently they police youtube for copyright infringement.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 20:32:53 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Norway Dan, you ask a good question. I'd like to think it was lawyers/publishing company that pressed the issue on Jarrett's behalf. But as he is known to be more than a bit of a douche, it is easy for me to believe it may have been Keith himself. Whatever. Jarrett is very talented so let's just leave it at that.

D, I'm not sure either of those handles is taken. I like them both. Thanks for refreshing our memories on the Gaucho discussion.

FAGEN: ...The bridge on "Glamour Profession" is a take on the bridge of Kurt Weill's "Speak Low."

BECKER: Which is taken from Ravel.

That pretty much says it all, IMO.

Jazzassin, Norwegian speed rap? That was too much.

Wile I'm not a big fan of that particular MF Doom cut, the discussion brought back some memories from when I was the Chief Research Officer of a start-up company specializing in testing new music with audiences. We had several MF Doom songs to test during our initial phase. It was only then I became aware of a notorious unreleased album, Black Bastards. It was by KMD (Doom was a member under a different name). The cover was extremely controversial as you can see here:

It's funny, the last time I thought of that album was while watching the South Park episode about the racist South Park flag.

MF Doom produced an album or two for Ghostface Killah, so I suppose that makes him Wu Tangential.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 20:23:22 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, guessing

Trivia, Q:
Since nobody made any attempts so far, I will suggest that the Eagles song was maybe "Witchy Woman", as it is by far the most R&B influenced Eagles hit I can remember... But can't come up with anything to answer the second part of the question.

IF i'm right, maybe this will lead others with more knowledge to the full answer.

If this is not just another "Do you hear what I hear" contest, that is. ;)

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 18:47:47 ET
Posted by: Norway Dan, Gaucho,

Thanks for the link Jazzassin, loved how "Gatas Parlament" used the Home at Last sample. Especially liked that I could not understand the words.

Re: Gaucho. Didn't Donald and Walter do the right thing and settle out of court? Does anyone know for sure that it was Keith Jarrett personally who brought the suit and not his publisher?
Anyway, the original Jarrett recording is great, and it inspired the boys to write a great song. If only they had changed the acoustic piano and saxophone to other instruments...

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 18:43:43 ET
Posted by: Jim S., I'm done

@Lurker Ray

Ok, they didn't steal anything. Happy, now? I'm done with my "conspiracy theories" and I don't know jack about music theory so don't worry so much about it. I still wish to call myself a "Steely Dan Fan," contrary to my blasphemy, if you don't mind.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 18:27:21 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, nowadays

For the hiphop/rap aficianados:

Here in Norway we have a popular duo called "Gatas Parlament", meaning "Parliament of the street".

They sampled from "Home At Last" for their song "Nå om da'n" (Nowadays), but the single was never released because of the Dan sample.
The video was shown on national broadcasting a couple of times before it was stopped. They later made and released other mixes without the HAL sample.

They're really cool guys, and even if I'm not much into their genre, I kinda like their stuff anyway.
Shame not many of you can understand the norwegian lyrics, but I guess many rap fans will appreciate it anyway.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 17:58:04 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

ygk/ You are a gentleman and I thank you for understanding/ as far as the spelling' I am a better musician than a writer. I often spell Jon heringtons name wrong and get called on it/ I will work on my spelling more instead of my guitar. Klaus

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 17:47:29 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

klaus: Understood.
Sometimes, tongue in cheek doesn't read well on message boards ...if I told you I've never been misunderstood for something written on message board, I'd be lying.

But when you start with "Screw Jarret" and misspell the man's name - I mean, please...
What kind of respect would anyone get dissin' our Heroes?

So, with borrowing from Mr. Jarrett, Donald & Walter created a the end, we all benefit...



Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 17:18:51 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

ygk/ The starving comment was meant tounge in cheek and I am not questioning Jarrets ability or his well deserved respect as a musician/ nor am I up to date on copywrite law in spite of two brothers in law and a father in law who are well respected attorneys. However I dont like being labled as ignorant when I have a valid opinion about music/ or the Dan' I know quite a lot about both. This is a opinion board and I hope I have never crossed Hoops line or offend anyone/ if I have I apoligise.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 16:57:14 ET
Posted by: D, [Is "Mr. Sam" taken? What about "Another Scurvy Brother?"

While not a smoking gun, and not malicious, here's the excerpt from Musician mag that tipped off Jarrett and won him his day out-of-court:

MUSICIAN: Are you familiar with a Keith Jarrett record Belonging, particularly a tune called "Long as you know you're living yours"?


MUSICIAN: Have you ever listened to that up against "Gaucho"?


MUSICIAN: I'm not casting any aspersions now, but in terms of the tempo and the bass line and the saxophone melody it's pretty interesting.

BECKER: Parenthetically it is, yeah [uneasy laughter]

MUSICIAN: At this point the reporter traditionally asks the cornered politican or athlete to "go off the record."

FAGEN: Off the record, we were heavily influenced by that particular piece of music.

BECKER: I love it.

[Becker and Fagen later approved their "off the record" responses for publication.]

MUSICIAN: We were talking about borrowing...

FAGEN: Hell, we steal. We're the robber barons of rock 'n' roll.

MUSICIAN: Well, the only other thing on the record that seems obviously borrowed is "Glamour Profession." The rhythm and feel of it, and the way the synthesizer/horn vamp swings against the pulse sounds very much like Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band.

BECKER: I don't listen to them. Donald listens to them. But I see what you mean though.

MUSICIAN: I'm not saying it was necessarily a conscious act of pilferage.

FAGEN: That song was influenced by disco music in general.

MUSICIAN: Nouveau Swing Disco?

FAGEN: What you're saying is basically valid. There are other things that are borrowed too. The bridge on "Glamour Profession" is a take on the bridge of Kurt Weill's "Speak Low."

BECKER: Which is taken from Ravel.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 16:29:25 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Um...I'd love to see (I think
we all would) your full transcript
of the Donald Fagen deposition in
the Gaucho matter. As you clearly
seem to have a copy. As someone
who works with many aspects of
entertainment law everyday I really
would be quite interested in your
sealed transcript that you seem to
own a copy of. Which would actually
be a felony mind you.

I still don't believe that Donald
Fagen or Walter Becker EVER
"consciously plagiarized" or
"consciously ripped off" ANYTHING.
Nor do I EVER believe or have
been shown that they admitted to
malicious theft of ANYTHING.

Like the Dean so wisely pointed out,
"Either way, only someone petty would deride it"
Especially people who call themselves
Steely Dan fans on a said Steely Dan
"fan" site.


I'm in for the Steely Dan Shuffle
Diplomacy 2011 Santa Barbara –
Greek SoCal Trifecta. It's shaping
up to be one hell of a 4th of July
Week celebration this year in SoCal!

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 16:18:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, and that'n my sat'n doll

I never dismissed Jarrett and his music as such, I just stated that I'm not his biggest fan, and that much of his stuff works like a sleeping pill to me. I can't imagine I'm obliged to dig it even if he IS a big name.

The juridical aspects of the case was probably handled correctly by the judge. Everyone in the business must respect the same copyright laws, even D&W, that goes without saying.

To whether or not he is particulary grumpy or snively about these things, I have no idea. But like the Dean says, such borrowings in the jazz world are being silently accepted more often than not.

Of course the Doctor's intro/outro to "Satin Doll" could be made just in the spirit of the Duke himself, but there's something about it that makes me think he took a detour via the Dan on that one.
The instrumentation and slick but punchy production could of course contribute to me being mislead, but still...
I choose to think it was the intention until otherwise proven.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 15:48:27 ET
Posted by: Chris, ada

D, I love MF Doom and that track. I think that sample is much more inventive than the one used in Uptown Baby - he turns it into something really dark and foreboding.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 15:09:12 ET
Posted by: Danfan, Toronto

The Dan in Toronto!!
What a great July night it will be!
Hope to see you there.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 14:09:22 ET
Posted by: Trivia, Q

One of the Eagles' hits so blatantly ripped off an early 70s R & B song that another artist soon after released a live version of the earlier song (and had a Top 10 hit with it) to make amends. Name the songs.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 14:02:02 ET
Posted by: D , MacFadden

I see a lot of mentions of "Uptown Baby," including Walter's spirited singing of the chorus on that Taxicab Confessions vid that came with EMG. But I'm wondering if people on the Blue have heard MF Doom's "Gas Drawls."

(Apologies if this has been posted before.)

It also samples "Black Cow," but uses Victor Feldman's turnarounds from the solo instead of the main riff--with a little of Donald's opening lines cut in for good measure. (Doom himself is also much more colorful than the paint-by-number stylings of Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz.)

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 13:40:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

As has been noted, jazz musicians have been borrowing from and "quoting" each other for decades. Traditionally it has not been considered stealing/plagiarism/copyright infringement. A rule of thumb for many musicians is the "four bar" rule. That is, you shouldn't use more than four bars directly from another musicians composition. But to tell the truth I hear that violated relatively often and not much is made of it. Of course there are variations on themes, songs inspired by other tunes, etc.

While there is a very small bit of Gaucho that is similar to Jarrett's tune, it is clearly not the same song. Keith has a well-earned reputation as a bit of a prick and he really showed that side in this case. Anyone respectful of jazz traditions would not have raised an eyebrow over the similarities between the songs. I don't remember Horace Silver's exact quote, but the use of his riff in the intro to Rikki clearly didn't bother him much.

In the spectrum of musical appropriation, there are varying degrees of influence: Sampling (using the actual recording from another artist), intentional use of a riff or melody, intentional quoting, unintentional influences, etc. Did Bob Marley really rip off the Banana Splits theme song when he wrote Buffalo Soldier? I tell you what, Buffalo Soldier sounds WAY more like the Banana Splits song than Gaucho sounds like LAYKYLY.

Accusing composers, especially those of Don and Walter's caliber, of theft is a pretty serious charge and one that ultimately seems silly. More than likely some of these similarities are due to some unconscious influence or simply coincidence. At worst, some might be quotes from a respected tune by an artist they admire. Either way, only someone petty would deride it, IMO.

Jazzassin, I don't Spotify, but I found a stream-able version of the good Dr.'s Satin Doll on one of my favorite music sites:

As you note the intro/outro does have the Steely feel. I can't say it's a direct tribute to The Dan, though it may be. It might just sound similar as Don and Walt have been so heavily influenced by The Duke.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 13:02:23 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Klaus: Mr. Jarrett's suing of D&W for LAYKYLY infringement is spot on, and is a right he has to exercize under Copyright Law.

Note that he didn't revoke usage - which he could have done - but rather opted to be added as songwriter, along with D&W.
To take this incident - where there is a composer, rightfully collecting on his intellectual property (just like D&W did on Uptown Baby) - and dismiss the man himself and his enormously large - and musically engaging - catalog is one of the most ignorant things seen here in ages.

To intimate that Mr. Jarrett would starve without suing people is remarkably shortsighted when considering the wealth of Mr. Jarretts abilities, compositions, royalties, and performances that he continues to make to this day.

The fact that Mr. Jarrett is correctly listed along with Donald Fagen & Walter Becker adds additional reverence to each composers credit.

A rhythm master I know was proudly presenting his rare collection of South American tropical fish, and said, "please don't tickle the piranha".

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 12:56:39 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Can't make it to the Greek in July...but booked Santa Barbara. If any make the trek up that way, see you there. :-)

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 12:08:35 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, digging the Lower 911 Musician Vocaleers

Thanks, those were fine examples of Steely-like stuff! And very enjoyable, indeed.

Mike: "The reason there are so few SD soundalikes is more due to the lack of effort in such undertakings, i.e. other artists not caring enough to bother trying, than anything else. Also, most artists do not tend towards jazz and as such do not understand the clever devices employed within the SD catalog."

It's true. And unfortunately, most of those numerous jazz composers, -arrangers and -musicians who possesses the tools, seem to live and work within a bubble where pop and rock music have little ore no relevance.

Luckily, there is always exceptions, and your examples were all amongst them.

Btw, on "City of the 2nd Chance", there is a double reference to "Here In The Western World"... Lyricswise in the first part of the verse, and melodically and harmonically at the end of the chorus. And of course tons of other musical and poetic borrowings from SD.
All the examples is undoubtedly both tributes and fine songs in their own terms. Me like so.

Another fav of mine, Dr.John McRebenack did an Ellington tribute album in 2000 called "Duke Elegant", on which, amongst all the other fantastic versions of Duke songs, he does "Satin Doll", to which he wrote an instrumental intro/outro part that is also a strong SD tribute. I can't imagine it's coincidental.
The problem is, it's not on Youtube, I will not put it up there (sorry), and the album is no longer available physically (discontinued by Universal). Unless there's something on eBay, Amazon or similar, of course.
It is, however, available as digital download, and I recommend it strongly.
I don't think it would be right to put up a link here to a direct download from a file sharing site either, but all Danheads are welcome to email me privately about it, and we'll fix it that way.

For those who uses Spotify, heres a Spotify-url for it:


Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 11:20:58 ET
Posted by: The one, I heard is:

Good composers borrow, great composers steal.

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:26:35 ET
Posted by: correction,



Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:25:50 ET
Posted by: Mike, whoops

Please disreagrd the last post. Here's the full one.

Lurker Ray: "When you write things like, 'consciously plagiarize' & 'did you know Becker and Fagen actually ripped off a lot of music?' -

You still sound utterly ridiculous."

Um, not really. Donald admitted in court his admiration for Keith Jarrett's tune which is the same as admitting that he liberally borrowed from his tune. In that particular instance, the similarities more than speak for themself. That's all in the past now... (For the record, I prefer Gaucho by a mile.)

Jazzassin: "Thats 100% true. In the world of music, everybody borrows.
The difference between mediocre and real talents/geniouses is, in this respect, that real talents only borrows from other real talents... :D"

What's that quote? "When you take stuff from one writer it’s plagiarism, but when you take from many writers it’s called research." The key is to disguise your influences to the point where it doesn't sound exactly like somebody else's work, even if you did 'borrow' something.

Jazzassin: "I guess it's quite typical for songwriters that their borrowed elements are far more visible at an early stage of their carreer.

Oftenly musical elements are borrowed unconsciously, as well."

Yes, that tends to be the case. Even still, sometimes when I'm writing music, I may come up with a bass line or melody which I feel sounds similar in some regards to something else, then later I'll recognize precisely whatever the song was I was subconsciously utilizing and alter it.

Jazzassin: "That said, I really can't think of many artists with a more personal and unique catalogue than SD. Apart from CBAT, most SD songs are genuinely Dan, and there's nothing like it. Not very much is borrowed, and whatever is borrowed is very cleverly camouflaged."

Indeed, there's nothing else quite like it. They developed their own sound and did so against the spectre of disco-laden popular music of the era which made them all the more distinct.

Jazzassin: "The style of the Dan is obviously also quite hard to copy or borrow from, as there's in fact relatively seldom that people thinks other artists works sounds the least bit like SD. It happens, but it's rare."

Certainly. However, once you understand their influences, it's much easier to understand what they're doing in terms of harmonic/song structure, melodic sensibilities and arrangement. The reason there are so few SD soundalikes is more due to the lack of effort in such undertakings, i.e. other artists not caring enough to bother trying, than anything else. Also, most artists do not tend towards jazz and as such do not understand the clever devices employed within the SD catalog.

There are, of course, a few noteworthy exceptions. Here's two tracks by Jango, a smooth jazz group which occasionally attempts a SD-like tune. I wish that someone would upload their song 'The Beard' to YouTube but for now these will do:

Another great attempt at the SD sound comes from Bliss Band, fronted by Paul Bliss who's most well-known for his work with The Moody Blues. Try these tracks:

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:24:56 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Yes, that tends to be the case. Even still, sometimes when I'm writing music, I may come up with a bass line or melody which I feel sounds similar in some regards to something else, then later I'll recognize precisely whatever the song was I was subconsciously utilizing and alter it.

Jazzassin: "That said, I really can't think of many artists with a more personal and unique catalogue than SD. Apart from CBAT, most SD songs are genuinely Dan, and there's nothing like it. Not very much is borrowed, and whatever is borrowed is very cleverly camouflaged."

Indeed, there's nothing else quite like it. They developed their own sound and did so against the spectre of the disco-laden popular music of the era which made them sound all the more distinct.

Jazzassin: "The style of the Dan is obviously also quite hard to copy or borrow from, as there's in fact relatively seldom that people thinks other artists works sounds the least bit like SD. It happens, but it's rare."

Certainly. However, once you understand their influences, it's much easier to understand what they're doing in terms of harmonic/song structure, melodic sensibilities and arrangement. The reason there are so few SD soundalikes is more due to the lack of effort in such undertakings, i.e. other artists not caring enough to bother trying, than anything else. Also, most artists do not tend towards jazz and as such do not understand the clever devices employed within the SD catalog.

There are, of course, a few noteworthy exceptions. Here's two tracks by Jango, a smooth jazz group which occasionally attempts a SD-like tune. I wish that someone would upload their song 'The Beard' to YouTube but for now these will do:

Another great attempt at the SD sound comes from Bliss Band, fronted by Paul Bliss who's most well-known for his work with The Moody Blues. Try these tracks:

Date: Mon, March 28, 2011, 09:22:38 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Chi-town

I am excited for another SD tour pending...but I'd rather just see them release new albums every 3 years than tour every year. What does this tour mean for the pending DF album? I'd rather have that finished and enjoy new music than see the same songs on the same tour...That said, i still plan on going because this is the best music out there point blank!

Fagen pleae update us on your album...I can't wait any longer!

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 22:52:12 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

hey kids:

Roger Nichols is back in the hospital...please keep him and his family in your prayers, and, if you can, please click on the link above to donate to his family to help defray Roger's medical costs. Thanks!!

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 20:23:40 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, sueing God for making my brother look like me. Two eyes, two ears, one nose & one big mouth.

Talking about similarities and sueing.... There is another song from "Belonging" called "The Windup". It partly sounds like some kind of uptempo variations over some of the basic theme from "LAYKYLY".
I don't say Jarrett was ever planning on sueing SD for that one as well, but hey, he could've sued HIMSELF for "stealing" from "LAYKYLY". :D

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 19:45:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu -What is 85 Degrees By Thurs Crazy Talk?


I still don't buy that D&W ever
nicked anything "consciously".
Jarrett got his money and parties
agreed to "similarities".

When you write things like, "consciously plagiarize" & "did you know Becker and Fagen actually ripped off a lot of music?" -

You still sound utterly ridiculous.


Couldn't agree more about the 1996 tour.
Many great moments. I feel the same way
about the Fagen 2006 solo tour 10 years
later. What a March that was.

They both had one great big thing in common,

Wayne Krantz

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 18:22:06 ET
Posted by: Ezra Hound, 7-card table of the mind

Anyone familiar with 50s-60s jazz would have recognized the opening bass riff to Rikki as a quote from Silver's "Song F.M.F." The supposed ripoff of Jarrett was not so obvious, IMHE. Perhaps--but did the judge have the changes to both ? For that matter, many jazz musicians/writers use fairly similar changes (ie, Rhythm or Cherokee/ii V I changes used in all sorts of numbers)--same for rock--more so, actually. Jarrett seemed a bit .... snivelly about the whole thing.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 18:08:58 ET
Posted by: KD, asdf

I understand why others don't dig it. I'm not going to quibble with opinions, because everyone is right in that regard.

I do want to relay the fact that I absolutely adore the 1996 version of "Midnight Cruiser" with Walter on vocals. And how it sends me back to a very specific time in my life, and what joy it brings me to hear certain aspects of that version of that tune. Makes me very, very happy just thinking about that take on the song, to say nothing of listening to it.

Never stop taking chances, boys.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 18:04:07 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, act like I belong here

Regarding "Gaucho" vs "Long As You Know You're Living Yours",

That's right. I almost forgot. First time I listened to Gaucho with my girlfriend, who owned the "Belonging" album, we both raised an eyebrow when we recognized the part quite similar to LAYKYLY.
When we later learned that SD had actually had LAYKYLY in mind, and was actually sued by Jarrett for using it, we thought that was quite sad, I remember. The sueing, that is.

Can't say I listen to Jarrett much anymore, neither to his norwegian partner in crime from "Belonging", saxplayer Jan Garbarek.
They make me sleep.

The Horace Silver link was new to me. Very cool. Thanks for that info.

@Chord'n Bennet:
I believe you're spot-on.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 17:47:20 ET
Posted by: Chord'n Bennet, UK

The Dear Eloise/Midnight Cruiser chord progression is one of many 'guitar friendly' progressions that were quickly discovered during the genesis of rock and pop. Dozens, if not hundreds, of songs were predicated on those changes - and the changes themselves strongly suggest the kind of melodic cadence that would work best over them, thus leading to similarities in construction.If you had isolated all the worlds guitar players in soundproof rooms they would still all have arrived at those changes independently and made similar sounding songs out of them.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 15:54:24 ET
Posted by: Ezra Hound, 7-card table of the mind

SD gaucho outtake citay on youtoob!

Kulee BABA.
like Steisand on ah-cid, or somethin'.

<i>Play Lucky Henry mutha-f-ers</i>

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 15:34:35 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, I is not very smart, am me?

@Lurker Ray

Yes, I agree now that, that statement of mine you quoted sound brash, pigheaded and ignorant. I just intended to say that these songs may have been an influence to B&F for some of their early compositions. Even Becker and Fagen admitted that they had to 'dumb down' their music to send CBaT up the charts. (CBaT is still a harmonically and lyrically complex brilliancy in plenty of people's opinions, save B&F themselves)

Certainly you do see the slightest parallel between Dear Eloise and Midnight Cruiser from the Youtube video, however. Obviously nothing is carbon copied from that goofy psychedelia song. I'm going to admit I'm a total simpleton when it comes to knowing the what the intricacies and eccentricities of SD's chord progressions and harmonies are too. I just thought in my humble, apparently moronic opinion that the chorus of Eloise bears a strong resemblance to that of Cruiser's. B&F were obviously more sophisticated musicians and songwriters than the Hollies and you're probably right that they didn't consciously plagiarize anything until Gaucho.

My bad for throwing any kind of censure at a sacred cow. I just found this somewhat intriguing, that all. I love all sixties and seventies music beyond any of their flaws because musicians often didn't put commercial success above true art and simply painted how they felt on aural canvases. Such is the case with Steely Dan.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 15:34:24 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Screw Jarret/ I have always thought it childish to scream plagirism when it comes to music. With the exception of a lot of rap which samples note for note the Main hooks of songs' [ uptown baby uptown baby]. Do you think there is only one song that owns the orig of 12 bar blues? How bout D-C-G good lord dont use this or that and we will eventually run out of music. Our maker loans the talent and the tones so if anyone is owed I suggest Mr Jarret drop to his Knees and humble his dumb ass. Jarret is known for his arrogance and not in a cool way like Don and Walt who freely admit there influences from the Jazz world. In the local paper today there is a article about a wonderful guitarist Tim Oehlers/ Toledo Blade' Yes the same Toledo that boasts the Toledo Zoo that our boys will light up in July! He lists his influences and I am very proud to be mentioned by him! I still play note for note some of his work and Dont they say something about imitation and flattery? I am sure Keith Jarret would starve w/out suing people I have heard both songs and I prefer Gaucho but than again I would/ It reminds me of sumpin.......

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 14:39:06 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrrr

Yeah right, back in 1967
Donald & Walter were scanning
the AM Dial looking for a
Hollies tune to "Rip-Off".

The "Song For My Father"
quote is clearly an homage
to Horace Silver.

"I find this utterly shocking but did you know Becker and Fagen actually ripped off a lot of music for their first album?"

I've never read anything so dumb
& utterly ridiculous. Please.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 14:02:17 ET
Posted by: D , MacFadden

On the topic of the Dan borrowing / ripping off other artists. This is *not* limited to their early years, as the most significant case happened with "Gaucho." Keith Jarrett sued the guys after Donald admitted to be greatly influenced by the track "Long as You Know You're Living Yours." They settled for a cool million.

On a lesser note, "Rikki" uses a chunk of Horace Silver's "Song For my Father" on the vamp.

Personally I do not care. Could just be me being a huge hip-hop fan, samples and all, but I enjoy the references.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 12:30:01 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

The chorus in Steely Dan's version is different enough that, no matter what the intent, it's not plagiarism. I'd have to play it on the piano to give exact chords, but only the first two are the same (and Midnight Cruiser has a few more).

And yes, any songwriter will tell you stories of believing to have written a riff that turns out to be something they had heard before. In my case, I wrote a great funk tune that turned out to have the exact same changes as Stevie Wonder's Pastime Paradise.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 09:12:11 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, where's that fatback chord I found?

Thats 100% true. In the world of music, everybody borrows.
The difference between mediocre and real talents/geniouses is, in this respect, that real talents only borrows from other real talents... :D

I guess it's quite typical for songwriters that their borrowed elements are far more visible at an early stage of their carreer.

Oftenly musical elements are borrowed unconsciously, as well.

It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it...♪♫

That said, I really can't think of many artists with a more personal and unique catalogue than SD. Apart from CBAT, most SD songs are genuinely Dan, and there's nothing like it. Not very much is borrowed, and whatever is borrowed is very cleverly camouflaged.

The style of the Dan is obviously also quite hard to copy or borrow from, as there's in fact relatively seldom that people thinks other artists works sounds the least bit like SD. It happens, but it's rare.

@Jim Steele:
Your observation is good, my young friend, but wait until you've heard even more from the classic '60s & '70s rock era.... You'll find that the borrowings, thefts and ripoffs are all over the place.
Besides, the roots of many popular songs are often much older and deeper than we are aware of.

The american music tradition, which I love more than most things in life, origins from a lot of sources, and is related to the development of the modern America through immigration.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 09:06:46 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

I wandered around with a vamp in my head for months before finally working it out on the piano and adding a second section. I played it for a friend who I think liked it. He asked me whose it was.I said mine. He couldn't quite believe it. Months later, I heard very much the same vamp in a Billy Joel song, not one of his more familiar ones. In fact, I might have only heard the song a time or two before and didn't take much (conscious) notice. So, I have to admit it sounds an awful lot alike, but the influence, if any, was on some level I didn't recognize. I'd argue I didn't 'rip off' Billy Joel.

I think SD in the beginning was probably like a lot of other new(er) songwriters. Their music was more easily identified with other music of that time. I'll say this though, in Dog Eat Dog, the line 'grab it fast and bite it' sounds very much like the SD of years later, especially the 'bite it' part. It's a chord that shifts and has a suspended feel.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 08:20:10 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Everybody borrows ideas. That's part of what makes the world go 'round. The art of music would never have advanced so far if not for outside influences. "No man is an island," as the saying goes. There's a stark contrast between borrowing an idea/concept and outright plagarism (e.g. 'What a Fool Believes' > 'Steal Away'). As Donald expressed on the 'Concepts for Jazz Piano' DVD, most new songs are based off older ones, whether in terms of structure or style. Donald probably begins most of his songwriting by taking a preexisting song structure and modifying it, perhaps fitting in little harmonic episodes and other such things.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 01:15:41 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, My ear is tin but my heart is not

@Keith Stone

Maybe I didn't make this clear enough but I meant that some of the elements in these songs sound similar to those of others; not that they were complete rip-offs.

I prefer to think of the song, Brooklyn, as a homage to Dylan's musical aesthetic, just like Todd Rungren's amazing "I Saw the Light" has been deemed by many as a tribute to Carole King's music. Change of the Guard just has a very similar verse melody to CSN's Pre Road Downs but other than a certain upbeat quality to the songs they are very much different. Check it out below.

Can't Buy a Thrill is my favorite SD album, anyway, and probably the innumerable times I have listened to it can attribute the reason why I recognize elements of CBaT's songs in other compositions that just happen to have been written and released before CBaT. Sorry man. Just wanted to be seen as insightful, not a Dan hater.

Date: Sun, March 27, 2011, 00:38:07 ET
Posted by: Stone, Keith Stone

Jim Steele, Tin Ear

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 22:57:15 ET
Posted by: RD, RR

So I glanced at Jim Steel's post, and a couple hours later clicked on the you tube link making it a point not to go back and read which song he was saying SD ripped off. I wanted to see if I recognized it. Boy, did I ever.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 19:59:01 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Copyright 1967

Hey Steely Fans,

I find this utterly shocking but did you know Becker and Fagen actually ripped off a lot of music for their first album? As much as I love the infectious charms of Midnight Cruiser, Brooklyn and Change of the Guard; they are all melodically based off of other songs in one way or another. The catchy chorus of Midnight Cruiser has actually made its first appearance in a Brit poppy Hollies number entitled Dear Eloise. Don't believe me? Check the Youtube link below. Personally though, Cruiser involves me a lot more emotionally than the Hollies song ever will.

As for Brooklyn and Change of the Guard. Check out "Queen Jane Approximately" by Bob Dylan for the former and "Pre Road Downs" by CSN for the latter. Donald even gives a very Dylanesque impression on the demo version of Brooklyn with those shrill Al Kooper styled organ tones and the slow, whiny intonations.

These songs still rule nonetheless, however. Methinks Walt and Don were just having a hard time contemporizing their intricate songwriting to fit the hit obsessed, commercial oriented public of the mid seventies. Ah, well, at least I find it hard getting any of those aforementioned songs out of my head. :)

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 10:12:05 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, reely dan

The tapes in mention from the norwegian dealer is about $50, not $100.
Just a currency conversion error on the fly in my head.
Still, Reel Deal is half of that price for their best quality.
Anyone better?

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 09:48:19 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, upper (tape) deck

Seems like a good saturday to order some movies online.
Thanks for the tips!

Anyone here who knows a good site for quality but reasonably priced analog audio tape? 0.25", 0.5" & 1.0" is of interest.
I already know about "Reel Deal"
There's a place in Norway who takes $100 for a 7" reel of 0.25" tape.
Not to bad, but still I'd like to check other possibilities.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 09:24:40 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Like Jazzy, I haven't seen Spinal Tap for many many years, and only remembered the two bits he remembered. My bad for not connecting all the dots to the two posts that didn't make sense.

I liked Spinal Tap but loved Guest's Best in Show. And, if you liked Spinal Tap I suggest you check out Fear of a Black Hat, which gives Rap music the Spinal Tap treatment.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 09:12:16 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Ah, well I suppose that is true. Nevertheless, the original post had nothing to do with Jeff so the coast is clear.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 08:42:03 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in the men's room

@Mike, fagenism:
The garden incident post was unfortunately only funny for those who have seen and remembered "Spinal Tap".
To everyone else, it looked like a terrible joke on Jeff Porcaro's expence.
Therfore the deletion.
Sometimes thinking before posting is just like wiping your ass before pooping, or what?

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 07:55:19 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Fagenism

Looks like Hoops is covering-up the gardening incident -- he deleted my post. Whatever for, I do not know. If he seriously felt that somebody would read that and misinterpret it to be true...

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 07:25:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, top floor

fagenism & Dean,
Thanks alot. I'm glad you liked it!

Regarding "Spinal Tap":
Yes, it's absolutely hilarious! Must've been 20 years or so since I saw it, but maybe it's time for a revisit.
The Stonehenge and "amps to 11" references I remember clearly, but must admit I had forgotten the two-word review and the gardening incident.
Definitely time for a revisit, then.

Btw, anyone seen Lindsay Andersons film trilogy: IF..., O Lucky Man! & Britannia Hospital w/Malcolm McDowell as "Mick Travis"? British satire at its best.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 06:27:44 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


Fantastic anecdotes! Thank you!

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 06:22:17 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

For those of you not in the know; the posts about Stonehenge, amps going to 11, bizarre gardening accidents, two word reviews et cetera, were all references to the legendary mockumentary "This is Spinal Tap".

If you have not seen this movie - along with the other mockumentaries directed by Christopher Guest - there is a world of epic comedy gold out there for you to explore. Get to it!

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 06:21:55 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Here is a pretty worthy cover of Morph the Cat.

Don't think it's been posted here before.

Date: Sat, March 26, 2011, 04:46:06 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Hoping for some UK dates, as tour is apparently sure to go into November - and Hammersmith Odeon SD shows are noted for their 'unseasonal weather'! After the 2009 show, with the great Elliott Randall appearance for the (first) revival of the original 'Reelin', I thought that would be it, but if they're still fired up to make the trip, then I'll be there.

Pretzel Logic was also my first encounter - a kid at school who I hardly knew insisted I borrow it and, though I was heavily into 'prog' at the time, that first spin was a life changing moment. Have not seen the kid since school, but several beers are lined up if our paths should ever cross.

Some interesting and amusing stuff on the Blue recently - but still miss the Raj.

Just stumpled across this rather neat DF portrait - sorry if already posted :

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 22:13:36 ET
Posted by: Saliva, Dolly

I don't know but the photo in that CBAT promo certainly looks less benign when rotated 90 degrees left, 90 degrees right and upside down (reminds me of the jacket artwork on "Outside Inside" by Blue Cheer).

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 20:13:31 ET
Posted by: Bikemann17, NJ

Yo Eric! Is that you? Glad you're getting to the show. Larry from New Jersey

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 19:59:39 ET
Posted by: Eric, Portland, OR

Thank you Steely Dan for coming to Portland, Oregon! First time in 8 years I think? Got my ticket and I'm ready to go!

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 19:59:38 ET
Posted by: KD, OLL

From the website that The Dean pointed us to, has anyone seen this ad for CBaT?

Very cool.

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 19:15:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour


That's a really wonderful story. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.

And Ray, you are so right. Pretzel Logic would be an awesome album to play in its entirety.

I'd also really love to hear Countdown, 2 Against Nature and EMG in concert.

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 18:07:07 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, pretzel lovin'

Lurker Ray,
Good to read your warm and honest praisal of Pretzel Logic, the album that once introduced me to the superior magic of Steely Dan.

This was in '77, 3 years after PL came out, and I was a 14 years old boy. I was musically very influenced by my parents, my father being a jazz pianist and music critic/jazz radio dj, and my mother playing classical violin, and also by my older brother who used to play in some local rock- and blues bands. He also started a little record shop and used to import music from the US that were hardly for sale in regular shops elsewhere in Norway at the time (Little Feat, Ry Cooder and more).
One day in '77 he played Pretzel Logic for me, suggesting that this band was something I should take a closer listen to.
I guess it's quite limited how much a 14 year old kid in Norway can really "understand" about a musical project like Steely Dan, not to mention their lyrics. But nevertheless, the music on that record along with my big brother's explanation of how D&W worked with session musicians and all, really launched me into a life-long fascination for their music.
Btw, even my father who normally used to be a bit skeptic towards rock music, had to give them some acknowledgment when he heard their version of "East St.Louis". "If they can play Ellington that good, they can't be all bad."

The day after I first heard PL, I talked with a drum playing friend in my class at school who was very eager to promote this fantastic band that HIS big brother had just introduced him to. The band was Steely Dan, and the album was Pretzel Logic.
So, after school, we went to my brother's shop and further on to my parent's house with all the Dan records in a plastic bag, including the brand new "Aja". We saw the light together, and none of us has ever been the same since.

In 1980 I met this fantastic, beautiful girl at my own age who was very into the Dan herself, and also playing the trombone. We became sweethearts, and it lasted for over 3 years, and we were together the first time we played through "Gaucho" and a couple of years later "The Nightfly". I have very sweet memories of this period, and think it was so great to have a girlfriend who actually shared my fascination, and was just as Danstruck as myself.

But it all started with "Pretzel Logic" for me, and I will always have a certain soft spot in my heart for that album.
It was, is and will always be a masterpiece to me.

Funny how you can actually listen to Steely Dan's music again and again and again, without ever getting bored with a single note. The songs actually grows on you as years go by, and if this trend will continue until I hopefully get really old, some day they will probably find me dead in my rocking chair, drooling and with the happiest smile ever.
And Pretzel Logic at maximum volume, indeed.

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 16:23:55 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Anyone who thinks that Pretzel
Logic is sh*t, obviously has
said, "shite" for brains.

And man was that band hot live in 74!
As many of the boots from that period
will confirm -

"The band uses additional instrumentation in its live sets as well as on record, traveling with a different array each time they tour. For the current one, they've added a second drummer, a second pianist (who also sings) and a vocalist, so that now there are four singers and every instrument but bass is doubled. I don't think any of their records can equal this band on a good night."

If there was one LP I would like to
see done live in it's entirety
before I shuffle off, it would be
Pretzel Logic.

It was released 37 years ago this month.

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 10:38:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Bud Scoppa's extremely positive review of Pretzel Logic (published in Rolling Stone on 5/23/74) is here:

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 10:33:31 ET
Posted by: mikethebaker, the sugar shack in pennsylvania

30 minutes into Philly tix going on sale and the first ones that popped up are in the 5th row (AA).... Of course there are platinum (AAA) front row seats available for $450....

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 08:40:04 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Would love to hear Kings live.

Date: Fri, March 25, 2011, 00:04:28 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Let's face it. When it comes to the 2011 tour, there are only two words that you need to know:

Thacker. Ville.

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 21:09:47 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYC, AND WHY?

Everyone knows the best Steely Dan shows are in NYC. Anyway, did they play 3 nights at the Wang last time? Thought the Donald got sick and Gaucho was scrapped; not rescheduled like in NYC (because they LOVE playing here more than anywhere else...but we already established that earlier in this post :)). Aja w/Scam and request (first time Dr. Wu) nites only in Boston '09 (?). Whatever.
Hope they pull out some goodies on "request" nite. I think the ballots have no merit, at least to those here. My requests : another dose of Dr. Wu, Kings, King Of The World and a return of Night By Night. That's not asking too much is it?
Oh, and I like that w/orchestra idea too for the next tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know - they haven't even started THIS tour yet!

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 17:10:24 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, trifles from the tube

Donald Fagen & Steve Khan - "Reflections" by Thelonius Monk:

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 14:36:41 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, at 11

It's nice to see that so many creative minds are looking so much forward to this summer's climax, and that the recommendations regarding intros, stage design and the likes are all very good. In fact, plastic stonehenge is ALWAYS good.

Personally, I suggest they put in some break entertainment, like the independent silent movie "Der Walter brauchen Hilfe, um seinen R�ssel zu finden" (Walter needs help to find his (elephant) trunk) from '91, starring Walter Becker & The Embassy Brats. Donald will playing upright piano during the film.

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 14:06:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Back In Malibu


I�ve seen Steely Dan shows at The Great Woods and numerous Red Sox games and I love the town and it�s people. Simply great fans. BTBT, I could care less to hear Dirty Water. I would much rather hear a truly deep �fan voted� deep cut. As far as,

�I urge any Dan Fan who has suffered through a show with an "all-too-cool for the room" LA crowd to go and see them in Boston� �

I�ve lived here for 13 years now and I have never seen a �quiet� show in LA. I know Donald was in a grumpy mood during his LA solo show in �06, but he was really wrong about the crowd. Just listen to the boot from that show. The LA crowd is going apeshit that night. The last 4-night stand in Hollywood in �09 was simply off the Richter scale with �Gaucho� night, not usually a fan favorite, easily getting the most love from the LA crowds. Just look at the press release for this years tour and read the wimpy Boston Globe �09 quote and then read the LA Times quote from the glowing �09 LA review. It was hard to watch the Boston videos in 2009 as the Boston fans bolted for the bathrooms during Dr Wu�s premier at the Wang. I did not see that in LA. But enough of this �pissing contest�.

So please let�s get back to my original request that I think really affects many of our plans here on the Blue for the upcoming tour. Tomorrow at 10AM tickets go on sale to the general public for two double shows in Philly and in Atlanta. So again I ask, �Could some kind spirit please post the Internet Request Set List choices as soon as they are available?� Again the so-called �voting� in �09 was such a total royal scam it would make a Chicago alderman blush. I am hoping for a fair vote this year. If a song is a top vote getter for the night it gets played. Plain and simple. Or get rid of the voting all together and go to a �Wheel Of Songs� that gets spun before every tune.

Here are some great shots from the Beacon last week when Donald played with the Allman Brothers from Allison Murphy & Dino Perrucci. Great pic of Donald wailing on the Hammond........the Hammond 44
..........melodica that is.

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 13:15:09 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

Intro could be that beautiful ballad, "Lick my Love Pump."

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 13:02:26 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Mike and bassicinstinct:

While we are at it; why not let Mr Herington's amp go aaall the way up to 11?

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 12:22:19 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Thanks for that!!

I'm now stuck with a mental image of Freddie Washington trying to battle his way out of a plastic cocoon!!! LOL

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 07:55:32 ET
Posted by: Mike, while we're giving the band recommendations...

I recommend that during the outro to Aja they lower a stonehenge onto the stage followed by dancing dwarfs to liven up the show.

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 03:52:36 ET
Posted by: Julia McC, Nor Cal


When considering Steely Dan, I am counting Colorado as close to California... I know it is a stretch! It would be worth it though no matter what.

Date: Thurs, March 24, 2011, 01:21:37 ET
Posted by: Correction, Re Boston

They played 3 nights in Boston. Internet request night, aja night and gaucho/royal scam night.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 23:20:24 ET
Posted by: Naming da Beast, gotcha Charlie card ?

Dirty Water and Boston Rag were only played in Beantown; and the Dan only played one show there consisting of the Aja AND Scam albums plus another tune (Reelin'?) along with those 2 ditties. Not really catering to the New England crowd imo. But whatever, a very cool set that night.

Speaking of album shows, Frampton will Come Alive again with a show at the Beacon Theatre (and throughout these fine states) as he celebrates the 35th anniversary of Frampton Comes Alive! By playing the entire album, along with some other hits in a (as advertised) 3 hour concert. Last week, a few days before our very own Donny F-man played with them, the Allman Brothers celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Live At The Fillmore concert by playing that live album in its entirety on the actual 40th anny of the original show. Cool.

Also, I noticed Deep Purple will be playing a couple of shows at the Beacon this June (and also throughout these fine states) with an symphony orchestra. Makes me wonder if/when The Donald -Sir Walter & Co. Decide to add an additional 30-40 musicians to their already packed stage. I think that would be quite a bold and brilliant move on their part and actually expect this to happen within the next couple of years/tours. Aja with a symphony orch?! Yeah, I'd pay to see/hear that!!!.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 22:04:20 ET
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, Snowy Mountains of Northern Jersey

Lurker Ray,

Having seen multiple shows on the west coast and east coast, I am telling you to try and find a way to see the band in Massachusetts, Boston if you can. For some reason, the fans in New England have proven to me on more than one occasion that they rock the best. The band showed their ultimate appreciation of this on their last tour when they covered Dirty Water for the Boston crowd AND also played Boston Rag for one of their Boston gigs. As far as I know, they did not play either of these tunes at any other shows nor did they tailor their setlist to any other city as they did in MA.

I miss California badly sometimes... lived out there in the 90s. Saw SD at The Greek 93, Irvine 94 / 96 and Hollywood Bowl also 96, with one of the 95 Roseland shows sandwiched in between.

As for all of this deep cut / real fan talk... I'm not shelling out my money this year until I see a few setlists. I don't care if I ever hear Peg or Kid C ever again (!!)

This "whole album" deal should only apply to Scam, Aja and Gaucho. I don't see them playing any of the others in full. The tunes they have never played that they should most consider, for my taste, from the first four albums are Fire in the Hole, Kings, Brooklyn, Razor Boy, Pearl of the Quarter, King of the World, Your Gold Teeth, Your Gold Teeth II, Throw Back The Little Ones. Oh.. and how about Donald singing Dirty Work rather than the Vegas revue rendition that we have all peed and bought beer to ? The band has already played everything I would have requested from Pretzel Logic. I don't think I need to see Charlie Freak or Through With Buzz. I thought Austin Scaggs was a little weird for zeroing in on this one during that half hour tour preview 2 years ago...

I must also criticize the D and W for lacking imagination with their touring band. It's been the same exact instrumentation for over 10 years now. I've said this before... their 94 touring band may have been my favorite, if for no other reason than their shrewd and economic use of 3 woodwind players. True Companion had 2 flutes and a soprano sax. FM used two flutes to mimick Johnny Mandel's string arrangement while Chris Potter belted away on tenor. Plus they had Bill Ware III on vibes. I wish they would mix things up and challenge themselves a bit more. As a dedicated fan who has really shelled it out over the years - 15 shows since 1993, including souvenirs, I beg this group to deliver it to those seeking some true deep cuts experiences this time out.

That said, I never, ever tire of Aja's title track. For me, one of the best experiences at their shows was seeing them open with True Companion and having it merge with Aja at Irvine 1994. That was pretty special. That and seeing Dennis Chambers in the band. He's one of the best drummers ever. I've seen Stewart Copeland, Neil Peart, Carl Palmer and Dennis Chambers - four of the very best, ever.
Please, don't anyone start bringing Lars Ulrich or Max Weinberg into this... OK?

Getting back to Boston, these people know how to have fun at a show. I urge any Dan Fan who has suffered through a show with an "all-too-cool for the room" LA crowd to go and see them in Boston. There is a shared mania that is contagious. A little booze and other "things," never hurt. Similar experiences were had at Roseland 95 and 2003.

Long Time No Post. Special shout-outs to Hoops, Pete, Shari, YKG (Man, you're still out there !), mWorld (are you still out there?), St. AL

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 21:50:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

I'm just casually aware of Tori Amos' work, mainly via some tracks she contributed to some tribute and compilation albums that I own.

That said, I am positive that Donald has said in an interview in the recent years that he likes Tori Amos' music.



Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 20:17:14 ET
Posted by: Huh?, Are We Looking At The Same Tour Schedule?

Miss Julia -

When pray tell are they playing a 3 day weekend in September that is even remotely close to Cali that you could drive there with friends?!

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 19:27:35 ET
Posted by: nothingbutblues, -

Around the time of the voting on proposition 19 in California last year, a whole lot of celebrity stoners stepped forward and showed their support for the herb.

This got me thinking; has The Donald ever commented on whether he uses/used cannabis, as part of his creative process or otherwise?

Extra points for sources.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 18:59:53 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Regarding Tori Amos and her take on Do it Again:

I have always had mixed feelings with regard to Ms. Amos. I actually like some of her stuff, but not quite sure I get the whole package. Of course I'm not exactly the target audience for that particular package.

With that said, he interpretation of Do it Again is an abomination, IMO. Just horrid. But hey, that's me. I have to give her some credit in having good taste in the song selection.


Here's all I have to offer on the subject. I really liked Saratoga's Mountain Winery (saw Van there). But that was before the restoration/remodeling. If they haven't radically altered the sound/experience, I highly recommend it. Very scenic venue. Picnicking and such on the property pre-show. (I believe you have a choice to bring your own or buy from them, but I wouldn't swear to it. We bought tickets that included the package w/food.)

If they still have the benches (or perhaps seats now) built up along the hill, I'd try to get something there (maybe 2nd row or above but not too high), unless you get real close on the floor. Again this is based on old info.

Tanglewood, of course, is a fine venue for sound and a great day trip.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 14:41:21 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


So the first "Double" to go on sale
to the General Public (AMEX) went
on sale this morning for Chastain.

How about someone who bought tickets
to the "Request Night" finally spilling
beans about what songs are being offered
this year for internet voting?

Did they email you a voting link yet?

Sure hope "Shuffle Dimlomacy" means that
we will get set lists that are actually
created be "diplomatic" fan voting this
year and unlike the total sham that
was "Internet Request Night" 2009.

Even Donald would laugh eveytime he
introduced it, knowing full well
how "rigged" it was.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 12:32:42 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, behind the bush

I share your opinion on Tori Amos' version of "Do It Again".
Despite my lack of recognition, the lady has enjoyed quite a success amongst the goths and emo-kids, especially in europe, I guess.
Oftenly said to be the new Kate Bush...
That would, imho, have been a compliment. If it was true. I dont think it is.
And personally, I wasn't aware that Kate Bush was done with being Kate Bush, anyway. But hey, that's maybe just me.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 11:35:17 ET
Posted by: Julia McC, Nor Cal

Could anyone help me with a dilemma?....
I live in Santa Cruz, CA. I'm working this summer in Rhode Island while SD is touring on the west coast. I have three options.

#1 I attend the show in MA while I will be in Rhode Island. Problem with this is transportation could be difficult and I probably won't have anyone to go with.

#2 Fly back to CA for a couple days to see them either in Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, or Saratoga with friends

#3 I will be back in Cali at the end of august, and the closest they are playing to the west coast is a three day weekend in September. I could drive there with friends.

Any clues to which shows would be better/ more worth it than others?

I am at a loss of decision making, but I need to see the Dan.

Suggesions? Advice?

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 11:26:16 ET
Posted by: Abu, Not listening to T.A.

KD -

It was just an opinion, which you seem to offer about Youtube. If any readers here had not heard Ms. Amos' "cover", then perhaps they could use the link provided. If they happened to give their anonymous opinion, even posting a comment there if they so desire, so be it. My post here was intended as a kind of hyperbole, albeit a little harsh, I must admit. But could anyone tell I don't like her cover? Not sure if anyone caught that.


Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 09:32:15 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, just improved my spanish

Thanks. I didn't see your reply before I posted. Could've saved me the checking on Fever Dreams, but then again, FD is always worth a visit anyway, entertaining and insightful as it is.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 09:31:55 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Many thanks, YGK. That's a FAQ.

Regarding when shows appear on or when they appear, disappear and then reappear at or anywhere: As mentioned, sometimes, as terms of any concert, the sponsors (maybe a radio station, or a product such as American Express or a newspaper) or even the venue itself, insists on dibs for being the first to announce a show or sell tickets for it, even before the band can announce it. This is very common for any band these days.

I have a feeling, that more often than not, SD would rather just let us know the dates at their site as soon as they know them (officially or otherwise) but these other terms and conditions require them to step aside, roll their eyes, shake their head, and wait for another party to announce their concerts. Just a feeling I have.

Over on a Joe Jackson list I belong to, there's some chatter about how cool it would be to have a Becker/JJ tour.

Gotta run.



Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 09:25:22 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, un tonto

I just remembered Oleander's Fever Dreams site (currently hosted as an archived copy on, and looked up this on "Only A Fool Would Say That":
"The Spanish at the end is a hacked-up rendition of "only a fool would say that": "Solamente un tonto diria eso," reportedly by Skunk Baxter."

So that's it. The name of the song. No orderings from the bar, then.

Btw, "Fever Dreams" was/is an exellent site.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 09:11:54 ET
Posted by: ygk, spanish harlem

FYI folks...

"Solamente un tonto dir�a eso" translates into "Only a fool would say that"

---from the interwebs

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 08:40:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, talking 'bout a world where all is free

I too, always imagined it was Skunk (apparently in the bar after the take).

Someone here must be more at home in the spanish language than me, so I hope for some qualified translation assistance.

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 08:07:54 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Jazzassin

It's Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. Don't know what he's saying though...

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 06:30:00 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, wearing a white Stetson hat

1. I need some help with my spanish.

Anyone have a clue what the guy is ordering right after "Only a Fool Would Say That" (CBAT)?

And who does that voice actually belong to?

Any background info on this short bar scene would be appreciated.

If this subject has been up before, I apologize for my ignorance.

2. If anyone could smell a touch of norwegian inferiority complex towards the swedes coming from my last post, or just found it inappropriate.... I confirm both. :D

It was more ore less just an impact of instinct and tradition, and I will try to resist further temptations in that area. Even if the swedes go on being swedish like they used to.
Nothing personal of course, just an old habit of friendly bullying.

The swedes here at the Bluebook are Super Swedes Extraordinaire.

In fact, many swedes, on a personal level, are so cool I recommend everyone to obtain one.

Enough, Jazzassin! Enough! Shame on you! Shame! Baaad norwegian! No meatballs for you today!

Date: Wed, March 23, 2011, 01:11:30 ET
Posted by: KD, Ooo-la-la


I know you're just looking for attention, so I shouldn't go here, but taking time out of your day to click on little thumbs-down pictures so that you can anonymously rate a song that came out 15 years ago?

I'm not a fan of Tori, nor that song, but geez what a strange attitude even for this site.

Not for YouTube, sadly.

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 22:00:48 ET
Posted by: Abu, Holding on to the Bucket

Anyone ever hear Tori Amos before? I'm not real familiar with her myself. However, a friend of mine pointed out that she does a "cover" of SD's "Do It Again". Not only is there a studio version, but also a live version as well (as if one wasn't enough). For any who have not heard it, this listener strongly suggests keeping a bucket nearby. You know, the kind of bucket your mother would put beside your bed at night when you had a bad tummy ache. Here is the link for the studio version. You can find the live version yourself.

If you agree with me, then I am begging you to give the "Thumbs down" if you have a Youtube account. Please let the "dislikes" surpass the "likes". Please remember to clean and rinse the bucket well after use.

Don't say I didn't warn you.


Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 21:09:59 ET
Posted by: up close, and personal

In spite of what is posted at Toronto tickets go on sale to the general public on Friday. I received a newsletter from a local radio station with information about a presale on Thursday and I'm wondering if the presale will get me better tickets ...or not?

I also made my way to Toronto in Sept '03 and we did indeed find a bar to party the night away. Good times but as the ice melted the beer got pretty warm! We drank it anyway.

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 21:00:24 ET
Posted by: up close, and personal

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 19:13:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


I was also a victim of that canceled TO show. Fortunately, as I was living in Niagara Falls (USA) at the time, I managed to attend the make-up show.

The bad part of the first trip to TO was, two of the guys driving with my best friend (and physician) and I were a bit too conservative in lifestyle. Despite unbelievable traffic, they insisted we press on and drive back to the states. Bad call.

We should have found a great bar and partied the night away.

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 15:35:44 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, Dukes Of July

Boz and MikeyM.are playing at the Westbury Music Fair (or whatever it's called these days)
on July 22nd. Wonder if the Donald pissed them off or they're "coincidently" touring w/o him/same time frame as the SD tour is happening. (That would be a cool opening act!)

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 14:40:53 ET
Posted by: @h2otown, Finally...

... I can leave my slightly aged September 2003 missed-show-experience behind me.


(First time ever i Canada to visit relatives I had never met and planning on seeing Steely Dan live in Toronto September 14 before boarding the plane back to Sweden ... just to have that Toronto show cancelled due to the Big Blackout of the Northeast - it even made Wikipedia! : - while at arms length from a white limo that made a quick vist in the parking lot and unsettling the seagulls somewhat...

But enough of my ancient problems!)

May all your Steely Dan shows take place and in the best of ways.


Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 11:36:58 ET
Posted by: h2otown, NY

I see a lot of bickering over deep track inclusion for this tour. My car broke down on the way to Heavy Rollers Boston show and all I managed to catch was the encore....and that was my first ever SD show. So anything they play will be amazing, and yes I do hope I hear Peg! I am just so happy to have tickets to Tanglewood and looking forward to seeing the WHOLE show regardless of what is played. I just really, really love Steely Dan:)

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 09:53:10 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ...and leave the machine

The fact that Mr. Enroth has totally misunderstood the purpose of the coffee scattering goes without saying.
If it could serve as a lubricant, he would've ordered more coffee, not less.
(See chapter on population control program.)

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 09:28:45 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, double ristretto

Oh dear.
Reading the shocking news about the new swedish zero tolerance on coffee grain spilling, I understand that I'll have to take precautions to make sure this inhuman, restrictive policy infection don't spread across the norwegian border.

Hardcore senior waltzers need to be able to scatter coffee on the dance floor. This ancient tradition stems from the need to cover the otherwise insanely slippery, glossy floor with some anti-slip remedy.
This is supposed to prevent hundreds of heart attacks, hip fractures and other serious complications related to unwanted sudden close encounters with the floor every year. Other remedies has been tried out in controlled, scientific environments, but the overall conclusion is that other remedies, i.e. sand, dramatically increases the floor abrasion compared to coffee, and with close to no gain in the primary anti-slip effect.

So coffee is not a part of the problem, it's a part of the solution, and by far the preferable remedy for this purpose.
If not, of course, the King of Sweden (Kungen) has made this new regulations to actually boost whatever population control program they might have over there, so that all preventive security systems on dance floors will be generally prohibited.
As a norwegian, I will of course refrain from the opportunity to make cheap points, or even mention my private opininons on whether this is actually a brilliant idea after all. No, no. Will not. Sweden and Norway, we go way back, you know. No dissing or hard feelings between us. And certainly no jokes on eachothers behalf.

Some anthropologists has theories that the ground coffe bean sprinkling has another purpose as well, that they are actually sawing coffee bushes, to help develop the national food self-suffiency.
These theories has been met with skepticism amongst other researchers, claiming that swedish fox-trottin' senior waltz-core grinders must be assumed to be familiar with basic theories of agriculture, at least to a degree where it's obvious that you'll need better stuff than the Nescafe instant powder to get it to germinate (coarsely ground Ekl�f's Lila would be an absolute minimum quality) on the clearcoated floor.
Some better growing medium, like soil, will also be of indispensable help, of course. But elderly swedish coffee shakin' waltzers knows this, of course, so we can safely exclude this argument. I hope.

But nevertheless, the preparation of the stage with coffe grains is of utmost importance, and I wouldn't like it if our king did the same thing here, but you never know with those kings, do you... So we'll have to talk to someone just to assure those senior grind-core cats ain't havin' their last waltz as I type (with my fists!). This is very important and personal to me, as I not too long ago started to acknowledge the fact that I too, will get old. I too, will need coffee grains on my dance floor. My dentures too, will jump out of my mouth along with gold teeth & all while air-guitaring the solo from KC.

Swedish Danfans are welcome to temporarily move over here to enjoy government-supported coffee grain sprinkling if things get out of control over at your place.
You certainly have a lot of your fellow countrymen and -women here already, peeling our bananas and everything. Just don't drop that peel on the floor, if I may be so forward. We try not to slip around here.

Should the Dan announce anything regarding europe this year after all, I will dust my fez off and glue some grains to the soles of my shoes. Even if it has to be Sweden, eventually.

Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 08:52:48 ET
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Date: Tues, March 22, 2011, 02:45:10 ET
Posted by: PGE, Tea this morning

Good grief!

I have no idea what's b-r-e-w-i-n-g on the west coast of my beloved homeland. No coffe on the dancefloor? I feel the Viking in me stir! (Preferably some sugar into a hot cup of coffee)

Looking out my window I can guarantee that Sweden as a country/kingdom/alleged sex-and-suicide-centre doesn't seem to have g-r-o-u-n-d to a halt after the news.

If I make it to any of the Shuffle Dimplomacy shows I'll bring my own coffee. And there WILL be dancing!


Now, if only D+W could spill the beans about any Australian/European/Asian addition to the 2011 tour...

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 22:24:16 ET
Posted by: Vladimir, in Siberia - they found me

Vladimir says, No, no, Mr. The Dean, these can not stands. First the man saids no coffee grindings on dancing floors. Next things you knew, the man will said no dancings, period, even with Steely Dan shows (and yes, even here with the Blues, some peoples says Down In Front). Then, from there, the man he just ships you straight up to Siberia for nothing good reasons, and booms, it is just with USSR in the bad olds days. It is for sure slippery slope.

So Vladimir says viva coffee grindings. Viva aging dancers. Viva solidarity.

Vlad outs!

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 20:22:36 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

It looks like Australian journalism is getting every bit as bad as what we have in the states. A decision by one man, about the rules of one hall in one small town translates to: "Sweden bans coffee grain waltzers".

Why not "Europe bans..."? Or "Coffee bean dancing outlawed here at the western world!"?

I think these geriatric Ginger Rogers wannabes are going to have to find some non-staining substitute.

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 17:48:09 ET
Posted by: URGENT message, to PGE

PGE - I don't know what kind of dictatorship you have over there in Sweden, but Peter Enroth MUST BE STOPPED. In solidarity, I propose pouring coffee "grains" on the floor at every Steely Dan show this year. Power to the Fox-Trotters. Power to the Waltzers.

Sweden bans coffee grain waltzers
STOCKHOLM (AP) -- Caffeine gives you lift, but the grains help a Swedish senior citizens club groove.
But not for much longer.
Peter Enroth, the manager of a community hall in the small western coastal town of Varberg, says he has banned senior fox-trotters and waltzers from sprinkling coffee grains across the floor since it stains the parquet floor.
Enroth says they use the coffee to help them glide better in their dance moves.
The dancers "just pour it (the coffee grains) out," and any attempt to get them to stop voluntarily has so far failed, he said Friday.
Enroth said the dancers are not welcome back next season unless they stop the bad coffee habit.

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 16:44:09 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

So, Owsley spent the last twenty years in Australia.
What if he'd moved out here in his glory years?

The Ballad of Brucey Jones

Ridin' that train
beer on my brain
Brucey, you had better watch the speedo, mate
trouble ahead
trouble behind
but no worries, she'll be right, mate
streuth, nearly cleaned up a bloody dingo

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 09:11:48 ET
Posted by: Myron, H

A newspaper story asking why SD snubs San Diego. I think it's because of that promoter who tried billing them as a Steely Damned tribute band.

Date: Mon, March 21, 2011, 08:46:17 ET
Posted by: Walter Becker, Japan

Donald Fagen looks like Gaddafi

Date: Sun, March 20, 2011, 09:30:18 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

Living in Tampa, I was a little disappointed that "the tour" may not be hitting these parts till the end of the year or later.
But having said that, my "dream" Steely Dan set list
would include ...
1) The Second Arrangement - I know this will likely never
happen, but to me, it seems like this "lost" track found a new life
via Youtube. I think fans would react really well to it if they played it on tour.
2) Dr. Wu - They brought it out for a few shows on the last tour and it seemed like DF was struggling with it a bit, but the horns and the overall performance was magnificent. Can't wait to hear that again.
3) Rikki....It played on some shows on the last tour and they hadn't played this live since '
4) Kid Charlemagne- Is it just me or does this sound
better and better with each performance.
5) Rose Darlin- Never heard this on tour before and I think it would go over real well.
6) Any Major Dude ... - Hasn't been on the tour since '96 and this is vintage SD and the people (myself- cough, cough) want to hear it...
7) Here at the Western World - Played on a couple of shows on the last tour, but I've never heard them do it live. I'd be interested to hear it.
8) Gaucho - Was also on a few shows on the tour last time out. I really love that track.
9) Daddy Don't Live - Just because Walter does a great job with it..I'd like to hear him sing it again.
10) Blues Beach - I don't think they've performed it live, but I think its a throwback song to the 70's and I love it.
OK..that's enough of me nagging the band. I'm sure whatever we pick it will be joined by Josie, Peg and a few other old reliables. I may be in the majority, but I'm tired of "Aja". That's about the only song that I hope isn't on the tour.
Have a great spring/summer fellow fans as the Tour awaits us.

Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 20:55:25 ET
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Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 18:40:27 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

Sometimes I grow tired of some of the exchanges on the Blue, and then we get back-to-back gems from kzkzkz and Lurker Ray with the Allman Brothers and NPR links. Many thanks to both of you.

Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 18:13:24 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny West Palm

Nice piece on Owsley Stanley,
Kid Charlemagne & Steely Dan
on NPR's Off Ramp today -

Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 12:47:31 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, beacon


Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 10:23:33 ET
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Date: Sat, March 19, 2011, 00:41:35 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago, as always

Hey DanFam

Long time, no see, etc.

I just got wind of the tour dates and have planned my entire summer accordingly. I'm 1000% on board. I already have a flight booked, and I'm about to buy tickets to Tanglewood. What do you all have planned? Let me know if you need my cell and email so we can coordinate. It's been a while since I've joined you all, so I can't wait to party with you again.


T. aka Danfiend

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 18:17:04 ET
Posted by: peteB, UK

just checked that link for WB singing Midnight is indeed somewhat startling although I shall persevere. The guitars on the other hand are incredible.

Reminds me of a problem I have when I have a go at playing SD songs - those chord sequences and melodies that hang there so clear and wonderful, they are masterpieces of concealed art. So many Dan songs are very difficult to busk, they rely on pitch-perfect tuning on every single note, even the runs, to get you round the chords.

IMHO DF's voice works best because he incorporates that nasal, schmaltzy delivery that distracts you from the difficulty. The stacked voices are also very important. WB on the other hand is more direct and soulful and this quality doesn't combine so accessibly with his harmonic gymnastics.

Listening to him singing Midnight Cruiser, he doesn't actually go out of tune, but the abstract nature of the tune in the lift to the chorus suffers because his voice is too exposed and the tune I think of as the main melody on the record is lost somewhere in the backing vocals.

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 16:20:00 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

I always enjoyed Walter's vocals.
My favorites were Haitian divorce in 03 and Monkey in your soul in San Diego 2006, their last 2 set show. What a night that was...
Gaucho was fine too.
MC an all time low? How can there be any all time low for SD live?
Come on...

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 13:19:56 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Donald and the Allman Brothers.....

What a sight that must have been !!

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 11:01:17 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Was revisiting the Fagen catalog last night, and just want to add how wonderful and cool Morph the Cat is...

imho, and underappreciated and underpromoted record, i.e. New Classic.


Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 10:22:17 ET
Posted by: CharlesTheSurfgod, Kihei, Maui

Hey boys, how about bringing some Shuffle Diplomacy 2011 to the Maui Arts and Cultural Center? Tell Walter I'll even drive him home!

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 10:20:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Spring is finally here

I�m never going back to my old school. More prophetic Steely Dan lyrics have never been written for me. I just bought tickets to the Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA and I have to contemplate that exact phrase. Not the best seats � I�m shocked at how many pre sale tickets must have been sold. Since I went to college 30+ years ago about five blocks from the Sands casino where the concert will be I had colleagues at work as me how cool that was going to go.

I had to think about a few minutes because I have not been back to the main campus for many years and I thought about why. I doubt there is another university that has gone through as many drastic changes in the last 30 years.

1. When I attended Lehigh it had only been coed for 3 years. The male to female ratio was something like 9-1. Today I believe there are slightly more women than men enrolled there.
2. There were 31 active fraternities there with their own houses when I went there. 80% of upper class male students lived in fraternities. There were three fledgling sororities but these were based off campus at the site of the future new football stadium and indoor sports facility.
3. Today if I read my alumni bulletin correctly 12 of the fraternity house have been taken over by the university and sold to sororities. My house somehow is still active, but our two biggest rivals next door and directly across the street are no more � instead they are sorority houses. That in itself boggles my mind.
4. The on campus football stadium that I saw every home game in � including the year we won the Div II National Championship is long gone. Replaced by a business school mostly funded by Lee Iacocca.
5. The new football stadium is over the hill off campus � I think I saw one game there in the 80s. I actually have visited this facility in the summer because the Philadelphia Eagles hold their pre season camp there and I go for that. My parents now live in Allentown so they are close, although they did not live there while I was in college.
6. The indoor sports stadium was a tiny cramped gym reminiscent of the 1920s. The two biggest concerts we had there while I was there was Renaissance with Annie Haslam and the Charlie Daniels Band. The new facility over the mountain has had Billy Joel play there.
7. There were no women�s sports teams.
8. When I went there the school was known as the Engineers and probably 80% of the students were studying some form of engineering, computer science math or physical science. Today less than 30% of the student body is engineering. They even changed the school mascots name to the Mountain Hawks. What is up with that? This upsets me more than anything else and is the main reason I no longer donate to the school.
9. In the 70s and early 80s the city of Bethlehem was dominated by the Bethlehem Steel Company. 4 Basic Oxygen Furnaces operated 24/7 producing steel and the mill to convert that steel to I-beams or plate stretched on for miles. Today you can�t even find evidence that the steel mill was there. Instead it has been replaced with a baseball field for the Phillies AAA club, the Ironpigs and the Sands casino where the concert will be. If I showed you a picture of downtown Bethlehem when I went there and a picture today I do not believe you could find one building left. I hope this is not indicative of the rest of the country where entertainment has replaced industry as the major revenue sources because that is a ticket to a depression for sure.

Needless to say I have very little in common today with the school I went to. I certainly cannot go back to the school that I attended because it just doesn�t exist even remotely like when I was there.

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 09:22:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding the live version of Midnight Cruiser:

Instrumentally it is fantastic! Great arrangement and both Krantz and Walter play some very nice guitar. Really top notch.

The vocals, of course, are a different matter. The first time I heard this I wasn't that crazy about it (but didn't hate it either). But the more I hear of Walter singing, and the more I listed to this version...well, the vocals sort of grew on me. I think once you get past the first couple of verses, it sounds pretty good, actually.

This is something I'd like to see them do again in concert. I think Walt has matured as a vocalist since then. But if Walt isn't the guy, Donald or another band member can give it a go.

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 08:17:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near da Tower

Donald Fagen joined the Allman Brothers onstage last night at the Beacon:

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 08:01:38 ET
Posted by: To, Fagenism

'96 was my first SD show. A three sentence review I posted online mentioned my hatred of Walter's rendition of MC.

Date: Fri, March 18, 2011, 07:04:11 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Re: the possibility of new albums being added to the "album played in its entirety" concept.

I remember Donald mentioning the idea that pre-Scam albums would be contenders for upcoming tours a while back. If I remember correctly, he said he felt that Pretzel Logic in particular is solid from start to finish,

In this humble steeler's opinion, Two Against Nature, Everything Must Go or any Nightfly trilogy album would be far more interesting for this concept, but extremely unlikely.



Would anyone agree that the Walter-sung conception of Midnight Cruiser during the 1996 tour could very well rank as the all-time low of Steely Dan's career?

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 20:08:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

I would just love to hear Jack of Speed live. Anything off TvN would be welcome, but that would be wonderful. I did not see earlier tours when it was performed. Walter, please consider it! Thanks.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 18:47:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Fighting off the Irish Drunks


Just so you know, I wasn't suggesting YOU were slamming them. But some do.

Again I agree with much of what you posted. But I would argue there is a treasure trove of never/rarely played live Dan tunes available without going to the unreleased stuff. (I include the new testament in that trove.) Perhaps we differ on what we consider "worthy", but I think the entirety of the officially released catalog is superior to most all of the unreleased tunes.

And, as Chris noted, I believe Hoops was saying we might lose the inside knowledge (or rumors, if you prefer) of certain posters, if there posts are pissed on by those with no real information. Just my take, though.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 16:43:47 ET
Posted by: Book Search, US

John McEnroe says that he got married at Donald and Libby's Maui home in 1997.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 14:29:03 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick


Could you contact me about your post from the past hour? I don't have an email for you and need to speak offline.

Hoops AT dandom DOT com

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 14:23:50 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Mike, pretty sure he meant that those dispensing the rumors will not be back.

I think Steely Dan will tour until it's not profitable anymore, or they're dead.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 12:39:20 ET
Posted by: hoops, really on the quick

just a reminder that if you don't leave a valid email address here or with me privately email, I can't write to you.

Also: Yes, tour goes into November.



Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 12:01:18 ET
Posted by: Mrs. O'Leary, wearing my green earrings

Happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone in the Green Book!

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 11:44:59 ET
Posted by: Young Wu , 18 weeks till Steely Dan...

Why is everyone so certain the tour is going to November? Did I miss something?

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 11:12:18 ET
Posted by: Mike, @hoops

"Fly low, be cool and stop biting the hands of those who give advance info or rumors that are good or they won't be back."

Do you really think that they would stop/cancel touring just because of what X person said online? I'd hope that given their high intellect and decades of experience working in this cut-throat industry, they'd have developed a thick layer of skin by now.

It goes without saying that it's entirely up to them what kind of show they'll perform, as well as when and where to an extent. All that we can do is speculate and, perhaps, offer up suggestions. I hope that none of this comes off as sounding condescending because the reality is we wouldn't be here if not for the work of Fagen & Becker.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 10:04:27 ET
Posted by: hoops, very much on the quick

"More Common Sense": If you are going to use a moniker like that, then your post better be common sense. I took your post down because it's not consistent with what I'm hearing.

The tour does continue on into November and more dates are coming. Yes, the word I hear is some of our favorite players are saving the fall for venues with nicer climates akin to Florida and Texas. Maybe I have a hearing impediment, but I'll leave it at that. Give the whining a rest until everything else plays out.

I'm also thinking like someone else suggested, that we might see one more Wang date if sales are good and ditto for Beacon. Makes sense.

Fly low, be cool and stop biting the hands of those who give advance info or rumors that are good or they won't be back.

Date: Thurs, March 17, 2011, 09:26:19 ET
Posted by: Mike, @The Dean

Yes, well, it's not my intention to slam them for playing live. But haven't you forgotten something? To the point, the very reason why we love this group so much more than others is because of their perfectionist nature and uncompromising vision. For the better part of a decade, they lived in the studio, crafting material so harmonically rich and nuanced that it stood apart from everything else. That the Dan-fans can enjoy live output is a direct result of the time they spent in the studio. However, given that they've performed practically all of their worthy material already, what else can they do but include rare offerings and/or new material?

BTW, when I speak of generating excitement, I'm speaking of producing something new as that's generally how it's done. Otherwise, they become just another retro-act content with complacency. I don't mean to downplay the upcoming tour ...after all, I have no clue what they intend to do. But hindsight is 20/20.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 22:28:24 ET
Posted by: Common Sense, It's My Party, I'll have the Dan if I want to

Regarding a private yard party with Steely Dan. Todd Rundgren did it for some of his fans a few years charge. Something like a 50' X 100' yard in Kenosha, WI with a couple of dozen fans.

Of course, in all cases, there's money in those concessions too. I didn't see that spelled out.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 22:26:27 ET
Posted by: Common Sense, HouNowHouDanFan


Again, again, again: Read down a bit. The tour runs July into November.

Do you really think that they will have concerts in Texas and Florida in the middle of July and August when it's as hot as all fuck? Why common sense says that they would go there when it's more moderate--October perhaps? Hey! How about that?

O.K. That and they could also hit down under for like 10 days in November when it's the same weather we have in May.

Got it, HouDanFan?

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 22:09:14 ET
Posted by: George , in Paris

When the Dukes of September were playing a private party in Dallas, there was a little discussion here about what it would cost for something like that. Well, after getting tickets to the Thackerville show and doing a little research, here are some numbers:

Total seating at casino auditorium: 3,000
Approx. 20% of tix for $90: $54,000
Approx. 20% of tix for $65: $39,000
Approx. 60% of tix for $50: $90,000
Total for tix: $183,000

Not only that, about one-third of the $90 tix are reserved by the casino for high rollers. Even though they will probably sell some of those, it won't be all of them.

So, at best, ticket sales at this show bring in $175,000. Assuming that the casino covers all costs just to bring in gamblers, can you buy a Steely Dan Show for $175,000? If so, let's find 175 people to pitch in $1,000 and have it in my back yard. Or does the casino subsidize the band cost, again, just to bring in gamblers?

Or maybe Donald lost big at a heavy rollers table when he was there with the Dukes and didn't have any cash on him, so he just traded them an SD show.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 18:23:19 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


I agree with most of what you said. IMO it would be great to hear some stuff we have yet to hear them play live. I think the "no deep cuts" argument we sometimes hear is bogus. But they have been a bit stingy with the setlist at times. Last tour's album concerts was a nice touch though, IMO. I'm going to guess one more album makes the list this year. I may certainly be wrong.

Where we disagree is, there have been (and I predict will be) people slamming them for whatever they decide to do. That's the nature of an Internet forum though, I guess. I sort of think it's a very few people using multiple handles to give the appearance there are more people complaining.

And, Klaus what an astute observation. Well put.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 18:20:04 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston

Wow, Oklahoma gets two gigs and Texas nothing?? The Okies will be walking away from those shows wondering why they didn�t play �Love is the Answer� or �I�d Really Love to See You Tonight�

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 16:00:57 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Does anyone else smell the irony in this? pete complaining about the boys needing to record! We have come full circle my friends. All those years dying to see a show and now we just want them to hit the studio. Young Wu/ Steely Fucking Dan!! Right on young one.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 15:13:59 ET
Posted by: peteB, uk

@Lemm, what then is "supposed" to be about? And how does it support that theme not to update it for years on end? I take your point about putting the effort into recording, you are right on the money there. But given the hiatus in either new material or site updates, we must be due Aja II sometime pretty soon ;-]

Apart from the website, why they haven't taken this well-honed live band into a studio, that is verging on the criminal. I saw the Heavy Rollers tour a few times and by the later dates they were as tight as anything I've ever seen. They could have sight-read anything and nailed a perfect take first go, which if I am not mistaken equals a very cheap recording session! In my admittedly rather heated opinion there has been no excuse for not giving them something to record. I mean when I saw them they improved the hell out of the less "revered" material like Godwhacker and 2AN...they even delivered Babylon Sisters so exquisitely (in Paris) that I was in tears...ok, I'm destroying my own argument...I know I should be grateful for such things...

But still. Are we now reaching the point where artists will simply not bother to record new stuff as there is no money in it any more? (I'd have thought the SD core audience were in the demographic that still buys stuff rather than freeloads it).

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 10:52:38 ET
Posted by: Har, har

They will those days off to get Don's organ through the treacherous Boston-NY corridor.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 10:43:23 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NY(O-Y?)

The Wang keeps growing as a 3rd show has been added. Big gap to fill between Bahstin and New Yawk
Think a few more Beacon nights will be added to tighten that hole. .

(What? Too mUch tongue-in-cheek sleeze references? Yep. Quite appropo I do believe.)

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 10:29:01 ET
Posted by: Lemm, up

Pete. Websites aren't necessarily "supposed" to be about what you think they should be. It's only your opinion. Personally, if they had a website with a lot of bells and whistles, I'd be like "why not put that effort into recordings sessions and put some material out." Not that it would be Don and Walt doing the programming, but you get the idea.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 09:24:41 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood

Dean (nice to "speak" to ya again), they have been good at playing Royal Scam, Aja, Gaucho stuff... no debate there. I would just love to hear a few fan favorites from the first few albums.

It's not a complaint or anything... they could do FM 18 times and I'd walk away happy, I mean it is Steely fucking Dan. But after 4 tours, I'd love some early stuff.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 09:20:32 ET
Posted by: Mike,

@The Dean, I don't think you'll find many people slamming them. Instead, perhaps, they'll lament the lack of freshness in the set-list. I mean, they've played almost all of their worthy material live at some point or another and used pretty much the same cast of musicians over the past several years, so aside from adding in oddities like Second Arrangement or brand new material, there's not too much to get excited about. Ultimately it's up to them to make it into something exciting rather than the perception that they're touring for the sake of touring, i.e. $$$.

@Peteb, basically what I just said. As well, the "band" has been inactive for a long while now (almost ten years have passed since EMG -- my, how the time flies), therefore no updates on the site. The only known activity has been Don's new solo album and in that department there's been absolutely nothing said. Frankly, it's perfectly understandable that some people aren't too excited; there's nothing to get excited about thus far.

(Oh, and as a prelude to any retort: it's entirely up to the artist to stimulate the fanbase and generate excitement. Just stating that there will be "deep cuts" doesn't count much for nothing. For all you know, they could be talking about Peg...)

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 07:54:58 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Sadly no Steely Dan at Innsbrook in Richmond however I just found out that Elvis Costello and The Imposters will be there July 20th.
In my book that's the next best thing to a Dan show. I'll be there!

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 07:05:20 ET
Posted by: Peteb, UK

Can I just say that has slowly turned into a really disappointing website? The tour is the only attempt to do any updating. Everything else has been dormant since EMG! And now with "tour resources" it's obvious that this site is just a drop-box for the admin and promotion of the tour. Websites are supposed to be about adding an extra dimension to the punter's experience! Even if don and walt have no time or inclination to do anything themselves, they are at the head of a big enough machine to make this inexpensive effort which would make a big difference to leavening the mix of these greatest hits tours with something new and alive.

Or is there another site somewhere or a Myspace page or something that they do actually look after?

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 06:49:06 ET
Posted by: Ajax, San Francisco

I'm pretty sure those classic albums will be like the '09 Rent Party tour: Aja, Royal Scam, Gaucho). I just can't see them pulling out Countdown, Katy Lied, Pretzel Logic, etc. just to please us diehard Dan fans. Sigh...

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 02:20:30 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

RIP Owsley Stanley

Get along, Kid Charlemagne.

Date: Wed, March 16, 2011, 00:23:57 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach, Fl

I would argue they do several deep cuts every show, with the possible exception of the Internet voting nights. But that might depend on your definition of "deep cut". Still a standard response of many reviewers and concert goers is the don't play enough of their hits. I know that's hard for us to hear, but they aren't simply playing for the ultra hard core fan.

In 2009 they played Caves, Daddy Don't Live, Haitian Divorce, Green Earrings, Sign in Stranger, The Fez, Time out of Mind, Babylon Sisters, I Got the News, Doctor Wu (OK, only once or twice)...and that's just from looking at 3 or 4 NON classic album nights. I'd argue all of those songs are reasonably "deep cuts".

I wouldn't expect them to perform songs they didn't even think enough of to release on their albums. That is hardly "the best of the best" as was mentioned earlier. I guess there are a few oddities (eg. The Second Arrangement) they may think enough of to consider.

Yes, I would love to see them expand their setlist, and include some deep cuts they have avoided in the past. Razor Boy would be great. I'd love to hear Fire in the Hole. (Through With Buzz would be awesome...but it ain't going to happen.)

I know we will go through the tired old routine of constructing dream sets and the like (not my cup-o-tea, but I guess that's what fan sites do). And we can prepare for posts dissing Walt and Don for not performing the songs a particular poster wants to hear, etc. Whatever.

Date: Tues, March 15, 2011, 22:25:45 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo, baby...

I really hope they do change this up this time Mr. Sanders... I need some deep cuts in my life.

I know we can expect Peg, Josie, Hey Nineteen... I can live with that. But it's time to add a little "spice" to the set. Just a couple songs here and there: King of the World, Only a Fool Would Say That, Your Gold Teeth, and so on and so forth.

They give us 3 or 4 gems, and you'll see Dan Fans dancing in the streets.

Date: Tues, March 15, 2011, 15:44:57 ET
Posted by: Lazlo Sanders, Boulder, Colorado

Wonder if the Classic Albums'll be the same as last time or a different set.

Date: Tues, March 15, 2011, 11:05:42 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

I'm interested in trying to get together transcripts of all of the pre-Dan, as well as never released songs. I think it's fairly easy to find proper SD release song chords, etc.

As musical as some of us are, I kinda surprised there isn't already a source for all of this.

Date: Tues, March 15, 2011, 07:45:22 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

a third Boston show has been added on 9/30

Date: Tues, March 15, 2011, 06:58:14 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Chris

I did a long time ago but didn't bother to write it out, so I forgot it...

Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 14:58:27 ET
Posted by: thefez, Boston

FYI. It appears Pollstar has the venue incorrect for the 9/27 and 9/28 show. Pollstar indicates they are at the Beacon in NYC, Steely Dan's site shows they are playing the Wang in Boston on those 2 nights.

Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 14:55:53 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Any musically minded folks here every try and attempt to transcribe Kulee Baba?

Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 10:23:04 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Steely Dan actually did play 1973...Countdown tour...nice "

My 'Nizzle !!!!

Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 08:59:43 ET
Posted by: zkxftdccgq, New York

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Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 06:53:26 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, humming

Cold Porter,
Thanks alot!
Our boys' signatures were all over that Tommy Kaye track.
Beautiful, indeed! :)

Date: Mon, March 14, 2011, 03:27:13 ET
Posted by: Gnu, Gnu York

New Steely Dan Newsletter.

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 22:22:10 ET
Posted by: Sweet, Minot

Steely Dan actually did play 1973...Countdown tour...nice

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 22:12:33 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, Algonquin Hotel

Not sure if this link was posted here...

awesome rare track from Tommy Kaye

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 20:14:09 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Lots of new tour dates on this morning!!! "

Damn Straight Me Steelian Kins

Including Omaha , NE on August 31st ( First Dan Show EVER in Nebraska ) .

Thanks Don & Walt !!! Love You Guys !!!


Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 15:32:20 ET
Posted by: Kansas, Oz California

RIP Bearzy

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 15:24:31 ET
Posted by: klaus, ohio

Hey Jazz/ my thoughts too. I also thought of beautiful instruments floating in that sea' God bless the people of Japan. So we get our priorities mixed up sometimes' we are only human and America is still a friend to the world and sending help as we type. Some good comes of everything so keep those affected in your thoughts and prayers

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 14:27:31 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, tunnel view

I guess everyone here knows about the terrible earthquake outside Japan, causing devastating side effects like tsunami, volcano outbreak and nuclear powerplant explosions.
My first reaction when I heard about this a few days ago, was "OMG, what a fluke that Walter Becker no longer resides on Hawaii"...
Really narrow-minded when you take i consideration how many other people are in fact affected.
But that's how you think when you're a DanFan. First things first.

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 13:56:10 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

I wonder if they will play Pagoda? seems like it would be daunting to play live. Would love to hear it but doubt many of the usual concertgoers would get it. Still what about us who have spent thousands over the years chasing these guys around? Up to Don and Walt/ so who knows but I hope they mix it up some' I love My Old School but it gets a little old.The last time I went to the Toledo zoo to see the boys I ran into an old buddy who asked if they would do Reelin/ When I said no he was ready to leave. No wonder it took so long for Don and Walt to embrace touring.

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 12:03:06 ET
Posted by: 1) Your Name, Handle, etc., 2) Your Location/Other Caption

They will open this year's shows with King of the World after the usual band warm up. Just have a feeling.

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 11:06:47 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Albert park

Tie me kangaroo down sport

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 10:20:10 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Hutch, "It must be really frustrating for these guys. They've written and recorded some stellar material in the last eleven years and they dare not play any of it live because supposedly they'll lose the audience. I'm guessing that's been the mindset for the last few shows. We'll probably hear songs from the newer albums now that they've been out for a while. Who knows, maybe we'll hear Pagoda or Bob's not Your Uncle or something from Donald's new album. I know they like to separate the "Steely Dan" thing from the "solo" thing but when you've got artists of this caliber on stage for an evening why not give the best of the best?"

That's a great thought. I mean they had no problem giving songs like Cash-Only Island and such a place in the setlist so why not something like 2ndArr or Kulee, et al.? But then, Donald expressed in a past interview that if they were going to return to those songs, they would've already done so, therefore it's doubtful at best.

Speaking of Don's new solo, has there been any word on it? I haven't heard a thing except that it supposedly is coming out early this year which is doubtful -- more than likely a late Spring/early Summer release (likely before the SD tour kicks off). Perhaps Walter might make another guest appearance a-la Kamakiriad. Also, I wonder what personnel will be utilized, the subject matter of the lyrics, and a hundred more questions. Only problem is, nobody here really knows anything about it. *shrugs*

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 05:22:08 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, hoping and praying


The boys haven't visited your neck of the woods since the Heavy Rollers tour (I caught them in Berlin that year), but in my case they've never been to Prague, at least not as performers - perhaps they may have visited as tourists.

In 2009 I made it to the Amsterdam and Brussels shows for the ill named "Left Bank Holiday" and found the Belgian experience underwhelming. The acoustics at the venue were atrocious, the crowd fairly blase and Brussels itself a patch work of unfriendly neighborhoods. On the other hand,the Dutch audience, the venue and quaintness of the city itself left me ready to do it again (no pun intended).

Let's see what tomorrow brings!

Date: Sun, March 13, 2011, 00:50:25 ET
Posted by: Danfan, Chicago

I know we all have Ticketmaster horror stories, I usually even shrug my own off as typical.

But today...whew! Went for a single ticket to see Paul Simon at the Chicago Theatre. Official on sale time at 11 am. Selected best available, any price. Tickets not on sale at 10:59:33 am; Tried again 11:00:15 am: NO TICKETS AVAILKABLE! Then I picked a price problem, got a ticket.

Then I remembered a bug I have encountered: If you don't select a price range, more often then not, it says no tickets are available. So I mention this -- you probably want to pick a price when ordering tickets rather than "best available".

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 19:20:45 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Pixeleen - Talked to a friend who asked the guy who runs the Innsbrook bookings and unfortunately no SD there this summer.
I may go to Durham or possibly Merriweather Post Pavillion in Maryland... kind of waiting to see what the "hook" is gonna be with the songlist. I mean are we going to hear truly deep cuts, perhaps something as deep as "The Second Arrangement"? That might be stretching it but who knows?

It must be really frustrating for these guys. They've written and recorded some stellar material in the last eleven years and they dare not play any of it live because supposedly they'll lose the audience. I'm guessing that's been the mindset for the last few shows. We'll probably hear songs from the newer albums now that they've been out for a while. Who knows, maybe we'll hear Pagoda or Bob's not Your Uncle or something from Donald's new album. I know they like to separate the "Steely Dan" thing from the "solo" thing but when you've got artists of this caliber on stage for an evening why not give the best of the best?

Looking forward to a great tour!

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 18:40:33 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, still clinging to the last remnant of hope

Prague Polo,
That would've been magnificent! Hoping for dirty rotten Oslo as well of course, but Stockholm and/or Copenhagen, or any city in Northern Europe for that matter would be great, and they will definately get a visit by me if it should happen.
Crossing fingers, toes and all limbs that it will!! :D

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 17:55:22 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, oh

In regards to Chiprdr's post/ I would like to add that I have also been to both venues. Toledo is my old hometown' born and raised there and the zoo is cool but use your gps you dont want to get lost in the hood. Cinci is a great place and if you attend keep an eye out for a Danfest at Lidos 5 mins from the show. We had alot of fun there the last time! Down at the Lido they welcome you with sausage and beer! and I seem to remember something about rollin w/ the homies that will fit Toledo. By the way no diss to my old hometown/ I will be there. And with any luck I will also catch the motown show!! Its shaping up to be a hell of a summer.Now if I can only talk my wife into that new Carvin FG1 my life will be Steely sweet.

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 16:53:28 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, Deep in the heart of Europe

From the SD website: more tour info posted by mon mar 14"

Could it be a 2-3 week warm up tour through Europe starting in June?
Say Amsterdam, Brussels, London, Paris, Perugia and Rome (perhaps Vienna, Berlin or even Stockholm thrown in)?

If only...

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 16:33:56 ET
Posted by: Confused But At Peace, The Sunshine State

I've done the math and realize there will be NO Florida (or Texas shows for that matter) on this tour. Unless, however, they decide to do a few shows in November after the main tour which would make absolutely no sense geographically or financially. That's fine that they're not coming here, I'm over it, but I wonder why the diss?

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 11:03:03 ET
Posted by: Pollstar Pollster, The Counting Room

45 confirmed dates so far. And that is without any added dates or more Beacon, Los Angeles or Boston dates. There were only 57 dates TOTAL in the epic tour of 2009 when clearly the economy was better. And remember that epic tour of 2009 had a break of nearly a month off in July.

Do the math. Common sense dictates ONE American Leg clearly ending before the fall this year. Doesn't mean they might not pop down to Australia or New Zealand for a little run in November as their summer starts.

Date: Sat, March 12, 2011, 10:59:45 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Lots of new tour dates on this morning!!!

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 20:12:55 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

For those of you considering going to a show at the Greek Theatre in LA, here is some more information, which is consistent with the articles referenced here yesterday. I would expect that the "expanded schedule" promised on will have this also, as it did in 2009. My source was

At the bottom of the page, there is a link to a "print-/fax-friendly order form". One does not have to be a club member to veiw the form; I am not.

STEELY DAN performs complete album & greatest hits plus special guest Sam Yahel, July 8 � 7:30 PM $137.50 $107.50 $87.50 $62.50

STEELY DAN performs fan voted set list plus special guest Sam Yahel July 9 � 7:30 PM $137.50 $107.50 $87.50 $62.50

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 17:43:27 ET
Posted by: Kay ,

Ha, R.R.! You nailed it! I can't believe I failed to mention that fun factoid -- no view of the stage !�
K a y

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 17:23:42 ET
Posted by: Chiprdr, Cuyahoga Falls

The Boys coming back to Ohio have been to both venues, Toledo Zoo?
Yes great sound , The Pavillion at RiverBend in Cincinnati intimate setting. Can't wait!

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 15:28:42 ET
Posted by: R.R.,

One little detail that isn't mentioned by Ravinia, or anybody here so far, is that you won't be seeing the stage from the lawn! Not obstructed, not distant, not at all!

So if ya like the eye candy, or watchin Walt noodle in his Bermuda shorts, sorry, no screens either. Just a lovely picnic with outstanding background tunes.

And if you pay 65-70 bucks for a seat in the back of the pavilion, you'll have a crowd of people milling about behind you and the fence, oh and they paid 10 bucks!

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 14:01:17 ET
Posted by: Mike,

My 3 cents

I would say yeah the big names there get very crowded and you MUST get there early. I would not necessarily suggest it to out-of-towners. I go once a year at least but shows like the BoDeans and Elvis Costello have been very crowded, where a symphony playing is nice and a good date night. Part of the deal is its in a neighborhood, a real nice neighborhood so getting in and out is a trick. But they have it set up very efficiently for the first few thousand cars or so. After that youre directed to downtown highland park and waiting for buses. A hassle but still very well run. I say its a must see for anyone local, plan ahead, the line off of lake cook road starts forming a few hours ahead of time. Get in that line , claim your spot with a blanket and coolers. Bring cards or a board game and make a night of it. You will be getting the sound from speakers scattered through out the lawn area however.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 13:51:39 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,


Keep the faith !!! There may still be a Richmond date added later on.
Durham is not a bad drive, either. Are you considering going to that one??

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 13:44:39 ET
Posted by: Kay ,

R.R. Your review of Ravinia brought back some not-so-good memories of a Lyle Lovette and k.d. lang concert at Ravinia. Do NOT sit on the lawn and expect anybody else to be mildly interested in the music.�

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 12:03:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding "A Horse in Town":

I forgot to post this earlier. I initially didn't remember ever hearing this tune. But I listened to it on youtube and OF COURSE I've heard this song. It is on Stone Piano, which I used to own.

As to the lyrics in question, Jazzassin is right, the quality is simply too poor to be certain. (Funny though, the rest of the lyrics are fairly easily heard.) I certainly don't hear "Honey it's just a clown". CerpinTaxt's hearing of "Hun. it's just a clown" sounds more likely. But still, I wouldn't swear to any of it.

Also, it seems like there are more syllables than "I scream" in that portion of the line.

Judge for yourself:

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 09:44:23 ET
Posted by: R.R.,

Re: Ravina Show outside of Chicago:

My $.02 to out-of-towners, devote the whole day to the show, get there early if you are driving.

Otherwise, especially a sold out weekend show, you'll be parking in some downtown Highland Park lot, riding a PACKED shuttle bus, (lots of wagons, strollers, picnic supplies) just not much fun.

Personally, I'll never go back. Like Hoops said, snooty, AND, many couldn't care less about the show, it's just a night out, so lots of blabbing throughout the show.

I've never been able to score what I'd call good seats for the pavilion, all gone to subscribers, as Jim said, so, Good Luck.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 09:41:26 ET
Posted by: Prague Pique,

Tour runs into November.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 08:36:34 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, obviously a bit confused myself

My last post was addressed to "Confused", not "Desperate".
No idea where I got that from.
I'm sorry. My bad.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 07:36:21 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

No Richmond date on that list. Guess it was just a rumor. Oh well.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 05:38:39 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway

@ Desperate, Kulee Baba & all other Flori-Dan-ianians,

Like Hoops has stated a thousand times:
NOTHING IS OFFICIAL UNTIL IT'S LISTED ON STEELYDAN.COM. So far, 20 shows is up there, and there's more to come.

So don't lose your last remnant of hope yet.

Like "Prague Polo", I cling to my hope for some european cities being added later on.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 03:37:47 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, The name says it all

No international Shuffle Diplomacy in 2011?
I suppose there could be a quick 2 week run through western Europe so I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

Date: Fri, March 11, 2011, 01:57:10 ET
Posted by: suedave, Seattle

Good news for me, I love opening nights of SD tours!

Wamu Theater is a venue I've never been to - not sure what to make of that choice, so I guess I'll get a chance to find out. At least it's in Seattle again!

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 22:47:51 ET
Posted by: Kulee Baby, Florida

Again, again, again...

The tour runs into November.

In 2009, Milwaukee, Alkron, Seattle and the like weren't even announced until after about 2-3 months of touring, after we thought the tour was over.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 22:41:43 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

Speaking of the Wang Theater in Boston, one of the classic lines - and there are many - in Caddyshack is when Rodney Dangerfield is introducing his Japanese friend to someone and says, "This is my friend Mr. offense!"

This is Dangential only because after Chevy Chase hits a golf ball that sticks on the beak of a blackbird and Rodney Dangerfield says, "Hey, it's good luck," Chevy Chase deadpans, "In Haiti."

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 22:11:54 ET
Posted by: Kulee Baba, Cameroon

Are they really not going to come to Florida at all? Can't remember the last time they completely skipped the state, except for DF's solo tour. Am I really going to have to go to Atlanta or does someone think the below list will be added to?

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 19:15:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Where to start?

First of all, Ray, I'm not sure Donald knows exactly when the tour will stop at this point. So whichever Lewis you are betting the farm on, I'd back off for a month or two. Several tours have been extended far longer than they initially were scheduled. And Hoops is right FAR more often than he is wrong on these things.

It's interesting to note some discrepancies in the two tour lists (pollster and jamband). For the most part though, they are consistent.

Confused, I don't believe the entire tour has been booked/posted. So we have a chance IMO. But given the dates as we know them, I am deciding between Chastain (reasonably close and seems like a good spot), Mountain Winery or Greek Theater (need to go to CA to visit friends and good venues), Milwaukee (friends again, though I don't know much about the venue), Toronto or Canandaigua (close to my home town where I visit every summer) or NY/Boston (friends/fun/etc).

Damn I wish I could go to all of them

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 19:03:11 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Talking about a different "Lewis".

And he got it right.

The Steely Dan North America 2011 Summer
Tour ENDS before November.

Just like Lewis said.

And as predicted "Shuffle Diplomacy"
means "shuffling" the set list.

So far a Friday & Saturday night at
the LA Greek! Can't complain about that!

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 18:16:32 ET
Posted by: Tony, New Jersey Shore

Thank You..
Borgata!!!! I am there. Even with it's high roller
late arrivals and it's "polite, I don't stand up at concerts " crowd, it is a very good venue and it is a half hour away from my home. AND I WILL BE STANDING UP ALOT AT THE SHOW..

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 18:06:40 ET
Posted by: Confused, The Sunshine State

No Florida dates? WTF?

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 17:55:48 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, calling all voters

Okay, folks... I am unfortunately not going to attend any of the shows in the US this summer, I'm afraid, but I have some thoughts on the subject anyway:
IF it's right that there will be some "Full Album" shows, and IF there will be possible to vote for any of the two latest albums (2VN and/or EMG), I think you should do just that!
I mean, many of you have been to many SD shows through the years, and probably heard very many of their "Old Testament" songs performed live before.
Don & Walt has stated several times that people don't seem to care to much for hearing the "New Testament" songs played live, and therefore the setlists have been filled up with about 80-90% older material.
Hasn't the time come to finally open up a bit for the newer stuff to be played live in larger dozes now?
It's eleven years now since 2VN and eight since EMG was released, and maybe if people insisted on hearing some more of those live, too, The Two Gifted Ones might take that as an incitement to actually write new songs for a new album, as well? Wouldn't that be pretty cool? And maybe a DVD from a 2VN/EMG show, huh? Just sayin'... ;)

Jim Steele:
You got mail. Eventually look in the bulk/spambox if you don't see it.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 17:18:02 ET
Posted by: Expect full album shows just like 2009,

Quote from Guitar World article:

"will showcase greatest hits and deep cuts alike with select cities featuring performances of complete albums and fan-voted set lists. Steely Dan masterminds Walter Becker and Donald Fagen have announced this year's program will also include special guests and an idealistic strategy for world peace. Acclaimed jazz artist Sam Yahel is on board as the tour's main support act."

And here's take on it:

Starting on July 2 in Seattle, Steely Dan will cross the country on its latest tour as �Jazz-Rock Ambassadors to the Galaxy.� The Shuffle Diplomacy Twenty Eleven will see the band perform complete albums at some dates (as the group did on its 2009 tour). Steely Dan also will allow fans to vote online to select the group�s setlist (again, as it did in 2009).

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker will travel with 11 additional players on the tour which will close out in Boston on September 28. Acclaimed jazz organist Sam Yahel will open most of the dates with his group. Steely Dan Dates

July 2 � Seattle, WA � WaMu Theater
July 3 � Portland, OR � Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall
July 5 � Saratoga, CA � The Mountain Winery
July 6 � Santa Barbara, CA � Santa Barbara Bowl
July 8 � Los Angeles, CA � Greek Theatre
July 9 � Los Angeles, CA � Greek Theatre
July 12 � Tulsa, OK � Brady Theater
July 13 � Thackerville, OK � Winstar Casino
July 15 � Indianapolis, IN � Murat Theatre
July 16 � Detroit, MI � Fox Theatre
July 19 � Cincinnati, OH � PNC Pavilion
July 20 � Toledo, OH � Toledo Zoo
July 22 � Toronto, ON � Molson Amphitheater
July 23 � Canandaigua, NY � Constellation Brands
July 25 � Danbury, CT � Ives Center
July 26 � Lenox, MA � Tanglewood
July 29 � Mashantucket, CT � MGM Grand at Foxwoods
July 30 � Atlantic City, NJ � Borgata Event Center
August 2 � Columbia, MD � Merriweather Post Pavilion
August 4 � Durham, NC � Durham Performing Arts Center
August 6 � Atlanta, GA � Chastain Park
August 7 � Atlanta, GA � Chastain Park
August 10 � Bethlehem, PA � Musikfest
August 12 � Highland Park, IL � Ravinia Festival
August 13 � Highland Park, IL � Ravinia Festival
August 15 � Interlochen, MI � Kresge Auditorium
August 17 � Louisville, KY � Palace Theater
August 19 � Nashville, TN � The Woods at Fontanel
August 20 � Tuscaloosa, AL � Tuscaloosa Amphitheater
August 21 � Orange Beach, AL � Snowden Grove Amphitheatre
August 24 � St. Louis, MO � Fox Theatre
August 25 � Kansas City, MO � Starlight Theatre
August 27 � Milwaukee, WI � Riverside Theater
August 28 � Milwaukee, WI � Riverside Theater
August 30 � Minneapolis, MN � MN State Fair
August 31 � Omaha, NE � Orpheum Theater
September 3 � Aspen, CO � Jazz Aspen
September 9 � Upper Darby, PA � Tower Theatre
September 10 � Upper Darby, PA � Tower Theatre
September 13 � New York, NY � Beacon Theatre
September 14 � New York, NY � Beacon Theatre
September 16 � New York, NY � Beacon Theatre
September 17 � New York, NY � Beacon Theatre
September 27 � Boston, MA � Wang Theatre
September 28 � Boston, MA � Wang Theatre

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 17:00:05 ET
Posted by: Guitar World:, Full touring schedule almost identical to Pollstar

Plus a funny illustration to boot!

(Thanks to Ben for the Pollstar link)

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 16:22:46 ET
Posted by: @Ben 'n Pollstar, Ooops!

Looks like 44 dates there!


Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 15:49:51 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Minnesota State Fair, August 30th.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 15:27:16 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Ya gotta love!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 12:00:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, waving, not drowning

Lurker Ray,

I have nightly dreams of swimming in your pool of SD rarities! ;)

Good to know these gems are in the hands of someone who can really appreciate them, I think.

I comfort myself by taking a bath in my own pool of Ellington vinyls, though, brag, brag, brag.

Regarding crossed out lables on certain records, I'm sure you're right about that it was done to prevent putting on the wrong side "on the fly". DJ's often did that in the old days, I can remember...

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 11:10:19 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Montmelo

Sorry Ray..Hoops has the correct info.
July till November.
The confusion came from the correction of Beacon dates being in Sept not July.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 10:57:13 ET
Posted by: N, Per

It's getting harder to pencil in where the alleged Beacon Run would fit between the existing dates.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 10:31:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Quick clarification on my last post.

After further review, it seems the tickets for Series A (of which SD is a part) go on sale this Sunday. No word on when individual tickets will be sold.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 10:29:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Re: Ravina. Are there really people having picnics with "complete with wine, bris and candelabras"? What sauce do they serve with the penis tips?

:#) Just having a bit of sport, of course.

Anyway, I had never heard of Chastain until your post, so I had to do a Google search. I'm thinking since they are doing Tanglewood and Ravina (possibly), Chastain might be on their list.

Well, nothing on the official site. But according to this site, The Dan is playing Chastain on Sunday August 7th. Supposedly tickets go on sale this coming Sunday (March 13th).

I'm not saying it's definite, but it does fit nicely into the schedule at the moment.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 09:42:20 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

DrHey19 wrote the Dandom Digest that Steely Dan will play Ravina Festival (30 mi north of Chicago and 60 mi south of Milwaukee) on Friday and Saturday, August 12 & 13. Ravina is kind of like Tanglewood and Chastain.

Ravina is about a 100 years old, rebuilt after WWII. The Chicago Symphony Orchestra has played series there for decades. If you are familiar with Atlanta's Chastain, Ravina is very much in the same vein.

Some good things: public transportation is very good--Chicago's equivalent of the Long Island Railroad stops literally 50 feet from the gate, closer than the parking lot. They even send tains just for the show that wait there until the show is over. It's a theatre set in a lovely park with folks having picnics complete with wine, bris and candelabras. You can bring your own liquor. Very genteel. A lot of jazz acts play or have played there--from Dave Brubeck to Ramsey Lewis to Marian McPartland and beyond.

The downside is, like Chastain, it has an 11:00 PM curfew for shows with limits on the volume; part of the lawn is obstructed view; and it can be down right snooty at times. Also, like Chastain and Tanglewood, "subscribers" to series, especially from past years, get first chance at tickets, before the general public. Tickets are usually put on sale first as part of a series meaning you have to buy tickets to several different shows, not just Steely Dan.

That said, it's been a couple of years since I've been there--so maybe some of what I have written is no longer true.

Also, since Steely Dan played the Chicago Theatre in 2009 and then came back to the area two months later for the Holiday Star Plaza, maybe SD will come back later in fall for some Chicago Theatre dates. As you can infer, I prefer the Chicago Theatre to Ravina.


Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 09:23:10 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - But Currently In West Palm Beach Florida


Yes it's true. I've been collecting obscure Steely Dan tracks since the 80's. Back when I used to search the Chicago Library Goldmines on microfilm(anyone remember "print"?!)and search for "Becker & Fagen". I also have some rare Jay & The Americans 45's with some wonderful orchestrations done by D&W.

Concerning Mr. Steele's copy of "Proud To Be Your Slave". It is not a "promo" copy. They previous owner must have crossed out the B-Side because they didn't want anyone to be confused and play the wrong side. If it was a true Promo copy, it would be numbered P-7009 and have a star on it and say "Not For Sale". Another easy tell is that the promo copy of Diamond Head's "All For The Love Of Music" is not backed with "Proud To Be Your Slave". If you actually had a promo copy it would have "All For The Love Of Music" also on the B-Side, in Mono.

Not so sure I agree with Jim about the tour going into November.
I'd defer to Lewis. And I recall Lewis is now reporting the tour to end before November.

Speaking of the tour here is some early pre-sale info for the Toledo Zoo for those who DO NOT have an AMEX but want good seats before they go on sale to the General Public. Hope this helps -

Steely Dan

Wednesday, July 20
Toledo Zoo Amphitheater
A part of the Circle K Toledo Zoo Concert Series

Presale starts: Thu, Mar 10 at 10am
Presale ends: Thu, Mar 10 at 10pm
Use Password: concert
Public Onsale: Fri, Mar 11 at 10am

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 09:18:07 ET
Posted by: Jake, How's my little girl?

It's been mentioned here for about a month that the tour extends to November.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 09:18:07 ET
Posted by: Jake, How's my little girl?

It's been mentioned here for about a month that the tour extends to November.

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 06:45:12 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

So I jumped the gun with my "short tour" comment yesterday, my apologize to anyone who was irritated by it. I remember way back in 2009, an article in Billboard had mentioned only a few SD dates, and it turned out to be their longest tour ever, I believe. Don't believe everything you read!

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 06:35:48 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Scan-Dan-avian

I never took it for bragging! I find this just as interesting as you do.
And honestly, I AM really impressed by what you have found so far.
I live in a small country with 4.5 million people, and we don't have the same variety of old/used records shops here, and many rare albums and singles have never been distributed here anyway.

My comment was just stating the fact that there IS people here who has forgotten more about SD than I will ever know, and who apparently own fantastic record collections containing the rarest gems, it seems.
They certainly NEVER brag or anything like that, but in certain contexts things have been mentioned, that makes me believe there's almost nothing Dangential that surprises them, and that they have in fact heard almost everything ever released (& then some more...) ;D

I feel that even though you and I may not ever be able to surprise those, we are welcome to join the debates here. Only trolls are banned.
I am very impressed by this forum, by the amount of knowledge and dedication and by the overall friendly tone that generally exists here. So I come here both to learn, get music tips and to discuss.

I can't imagine anyone else reading you as bragging either, Jim. And 99% of us has never heard those rarities that you've found, so I would guess there are many who's just as happy as me when you report what you have found, and even share a little taste with us!

Peace & Love, folks! The Dan Rules!

Date: Thurs, March 10, 2011, 02:04:37 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

More dates on, including two in the Chicago area:

Jul 29 Mashantucket, CT MGM Grand at Foxwoods
Aug 12, Aug 13 Highland Park, IL Ravinia Festival

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 21:51:13 ET
Posted by: Jim S.,


"That said, I suspect there's a couple of long-time Bluebookers who have actually got them all at home, but don't like to make the rest of us envious by mentioning it too often... ;D ;D"

Man, I'll feel really bad if it comes off to anyone on here like I'm bragging. I'm just excited as these songs are a real pain in the butt to get a copy of. I really don't want to anger anyone. Especially you, Jazzassin, as you seem like a pretty nice guy.

This is a promise to everyone on Dandom that I will eventually put up these rare songs on Youtube, as well as Chris Kearney's great version of Runnin Child which is also a bit expensive to hear nowadays.

Hey Jazz, if you email me I can give you a little more info regarding the songs. I do have good reasons for keeping these tracks under wraps for now. I hope I don't seem like a flaunter or anything...

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 20:41:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

SoundSpike has it over places in the 'net like here, even mean I believe the people at SoundSpike has even met Mr. Steely Dan.

That said, my ignorant two cents is that the infinitely wise SoundSpike folks looked really quick at the tour schedule as it appeared in the past couple of days and decided that's all for the tour...I don't even know why I have to explain.

In terms of my plans, I'm looking for the tour to go from July into November. Of course, I don't know what SoundSpike knows.

Please...any snarkiness is directed at SoundSpike and no one here.

Be well.


Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 18:59:15 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, just an apprentice myself

I see. Good work actually finding a copy, man.

That said, I suspect there's a couple of long-time Bluebookers who have actually got them all at home, but don't like to make the rest of us envious by mentioning it too often... ;D ;D

Whaddaya think, Lurker Ray? ;D

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 18:35:00 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, sound alikes

@Jazzassin: Actually the SD database was my only factual source to base my search off of. I have not seen information for "Tell me a lie" or "Proud to be your Slave" anywhere else on the net. Sadly, it seems that Diamond Head and Sound Alikes do not have rabid fanbase followings; which is why they are so fortunate that Becker and Fagen do! :P

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 18:16:03 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, not lying

Jim Steele,
One more note regarding Tell Me a Lie:

The song is actually registred on the Steely Dan Database site, not very surprisingly, as that site seems to cover almost everything Dan-related ever recorded. Just sayin'. ;)

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 17:44:13 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, lies travel around the world while truth straps her boots on

Jim Steele,

"Lies I Can Believe" is on Youtube.
You do the comparision.

Thanks for the lyrics. Looking forward to pics & audio!

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 17:20:13 ET
Posted by: pixeleen, fingers and toes crossed


That is almost too good to be true !!! We loved seeing Donald, Boz and Michael at Innsbrook last summer, and we for sure will be there again if the Dan is going to be there this summer!!
Many thanks for the heads-up.
Please let me know if you hear any more about it.

Cheers !!!

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 16:50:39 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Howdy Y'all

After some exhaustive searching in all the nooks and crannies of at least 7 different record stores all over NJ, I've finally come across a second rarity for all you hardcore Danners- "Tell me a lie" by the Sound Alikes. This was another "cheesy" song Becker and Fagen penned for a band signed on ABC records namely The Grass Roots but somehow it ended up in the hold of an obscure band called "Sound Alikes". This is by far the most country thing I've heard out of Becker and Fagen and I do not blame them for shunning this song. The song itself might be an SD relic but either the duo or these "Sound Alikes" really hammed it up on account of the music. The beginning does sound a little like "You go where I go" but the vocalist sounds like a really corny Jerry Garcia rip-off. At least the lyrics are up to their slightly off kilter standard. I'll post pics and sound clips later but here are the lyrics for all ya wonderin. Enjoy!

"Tell Me a Lie"

I know from your eyes you won�t be long
For an hour your minds been up and gone
From you all that I ask is remember where you been
Cos I�ll be right here when you call again

So tell me a lie that I can believe
Tell me one more before you leave
I�ll take your lie believe what you say is true
So tell me a lie to keep me lovin you

Don�t make promises you can�t keep
Don�t try to be what you can�t be
With open arms I�m willing waiting for your return
Somehow my heart never seems to learn

So tell me a lie that I can believe
Tell me one more before you leave
I�ll take your lie
Believe what you say is true
So tell me a lie to keep me lovin you

One special note: Didn't Walter have a solo track entitled "Lies I can Believe"? Possible inspiration? I highly doubt it but interesting regardless.

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 14:47:21 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

I think (perhaps "hope" is a better word) that some might be reading too much into the remark of "short tour." The article says they start in Tulsa, followed by nine dates ending August 24.

Well, that is all that is posted right now. The tour website says stay tuned for more tour news. I suppose its possible that's all there is, but then how would one explain things like reports of a Richmond show?

I think (again, hope) that the writer just looked at the tour site and did not realize there may be more to come ...

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 14:05:11 ET
Posted by: The Truth, is

Roseland burning? Well, since Irving Azoff is in bed with James Dolan SD will never play Roseland again. Hence the 50 shows at the Beacon Theater.

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 13:58:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, west of Sweden

Handsome Carl wrote this on the Bluebook, Feb 18:

I believe the "Miles High Big Band" refers to the gentlemen and "Embassy Brats" refers to the beautiful ladies of the touring group.

I have no better suggestion.

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 13:27:18 ET
Posted by: re: , pinch-of-salt ... make that two piches

Not only is is a short tour but according to the article/notice Steely Dan is "supported by the Miles High Big Band and featuring The Embassy Brats."

Anybody heard who those might be??? ;)


Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 12:42:20 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

from, sounds like a short tour this summer:

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 09:06:02 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Okay, now here's something unexpected.

I just heard from a friend who heard from a friend who knows a booking agent and it seems like there's a real possibility that Steely Dan will play Innsbrook in Richmond, Va. this summer!!!!!

The same friend said he recently heard a local radio DJ mention that SD would play Richmond this year.

Whaddya think Pixeleen?

Date: Wed, March 09, 2011, 08:24:50 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, at da firehouse

MIDTOWN � Legendary concert venue the Roseland Ballroom caught fire late Tuesday night.

A fire broke out on the mezzanine level of the concert hall at 239 West 52nd Street and Eighth Avenue around 10:30 Tuesday and was extinguished at 11:46, said an FDNY spokesman.

Seven firefighters were treated for minor injuries at Roosevelt Hospital as a result of the blaze.

The cause of the fire remains under investigation.

There were no events on the schedule Tuesday but the Roseland Ballroom website announced a Dropkick Murphy's concert for Thursday.

Over the years, the venue has served as a catch-all event space, hosting everything from movie premieres and fashion shows to concerts featuring artists like Madonna, Jay-Z and The Strokes.

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 23:35:35 ET
Posted by: Rosie, Land

I just heard on local NYC news that firefighters are battling a blaze at Roseland Ballroom. That's all I know for now.

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 21:53:58 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Thackerville tix ON SALE NOW - Thackerville website originally said on sale May 13.

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 21:51:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, bed time

Deep Blue Organ Trio opened for Steely Dan two or three years ago.

Here's a story on them from the Chicago edition of NYC's Gothamist blog:

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 21:51:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago. This one covered from March 4-8, 2011. The previous edition covered March 1-3.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, check your spam filters first; then, if it's not there, please email me.

Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc. That's why this sort of notice is posted in the Blue.

The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for March 4-8, 2011:


- "...until his hat floats..."
- SD tour date: Foxwoods Casino
- NEW TOUR DATES: Toledo & Bethlehem
- Hear a Tour Date Rumor? Let Us Know
- Canandaigua Tickets for 7/23
- Re: Canandaigua Tickets for 7/23
- REDUX: About Ticket "Pre_Sales"
- Two Pleas
- REDUX: Here We Go! Herington CD Release Show, SD Tribute Band "No Static"
- REDUX: Help Roger Nichols


If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter, please email me or see

For the record, the Dandom Digest is a newsletter with unofficial content written by and for the fans of Steely Dan. The newsletter is independent of and not to be confused with the glorious and much more glamorous official newsletters from,, and other sites of Steely Dan associates.

Thanks for your support through the years, especially Pete and Shari and remembering Mark and Bill.


Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 21:25:37 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, flooded

Had a hard time posting this morning. From today's Springfield (MA) Republican:
Rock and Roll Hall of Famers Steely Dan will perform at MGM Grand at Foxwoods on July 29 at 8 p.m. Tickets are $55, $65 and $75 and go on sale at 10 a.m. on April 8.

One show I won't be going to. Terrible venue - shorten sets. Not worth the time or the money.

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 11:00:45 ET
Posted by: Thanks to Z, Thanks to Doc,

Thanks to Doc for confirming what Z posted last Saturday. Thanks to both.

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 10:57:32 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, marking the calendar

MGM Grand at Foxwoods, July 29

Date: Tues, March 08, 2011, 07:20:40 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, a horse with no name

@CerpinTaxt, The Dean:

On a couple of those collections of pre-CBAT stuff, about half a minute of the horse is included. Due to the very poor audio quality, it's really hard to get the lyrics... Personally, I wouldn't dare to insist on any of the suggested lines.

But in addition to those sites that The Dean links to, the "Steely Dan Database" also presents this version: "I scream: Honey, it's just a clown".

The SD Database is a part of the SD Webring, and therefore assumed to be amongst the better sites on such topics.

I was never very into horse anatomy myself, but must say that to me a horse with green eyes would appear pretty scary. Like, the horse from hell or somwhere in that district... :D

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 23:35:45 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Anon/ Seen these posts back in 007' the Toledo zoo is a really cool place to see a show. CSN Dylan and Steely Dan play there often I was there the last time front and center 12th row in the rain and enjoyed the hell out of it and I never did buy any cotten candy or smelled any elaphant shit for that matter. I will post comments after the show and hope to bring the flav of the zoo!!

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 23:17:12 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

jazz/I hope for your sake that our boys head your way. As far as guitars and the expense of them/ I dont have a Motorcycle or a boat and I feel the clock ticking every day. I hope your play goes well and I hope your sig other will choose to indulge you w/ that Sadowsky soon because anyone that gets the Dan has music in the soul. Its not too late for us to learn those wonderful changes in Deacon Blues and I would be happy to strap on my FG1 next to my Steely bro Jazz

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 22:49:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

PGE, thanks so much for you kind offer.

I sent you an email this morning. If you didn't get it, you may want to check your spam/bulk folder. It hasn't bounced back...yet.

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 22:48:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


The sites I quickly checked suggest the lyrics to A Horse in Town are:

"I scream: Honey it's just a clown"

Of course, the lyrics on these sites are only as good as the bozos who contribute. In my experience they are hit and miss.

Since I have never heard A Horse in Town, I can't add anything of value.

As for the Dan at the Zoo...what could be cooler than that?

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 22:24:14 ET
Posted by: L, DJ

Yes, and it's not their first time at the Toledo Zoo either.

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 20:08:42 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I'm pretty sure they've hit a couple state fairs in the past.

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 19:50:18 ET
Posted by: Anonymous,

The Toledo freaking Zoo? Perfect. Peanuts, popcorn, cotton candy and the smell of elephant shit. What's next for the Dan, the county fair circuit?

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 19:30:32 ET
Posted by: Tony, New Jersey Shore

With The Grid..
By Bad on your name
Thanks again

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 19:26:33 ET
Posted by: Tony, New Jersey Shore

Hey, thanks, In the Grid.
I guess I will have to use a sick day or 2 in Sept.
Or maybe do a Road Trip to Pa.
I will see them every year they perform,
for as long as they tour,
and for as long as I am able to get there..

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 18:55:15 ET
Posted by: CerpinTaxt, Boston! SCRATCH THAT. NEW YORK! SCRATCH THAT. Back in Boston.

I realize this is a bit off-topic, given all the tour buzz as of late. But there's a horse in town.

I always thought it was "I scream, hun, it's just a clown."

A lyric site lists it as "Eyes green, haunches chestnut brown."

Which obviously makes more sense, but is easily one of strangest lyrics I've seen from the Dan.

So is it really the latter?

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 18:50:01 ET
Posted by: with the grid, NY NY


Metro NY in mid-SEPTEMBER

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 18:27:21 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, on the wrong continent this summer, I guess

To be honest, I never bought the Sadowsky after all ;( - but thanks for asking :)
Truth is I resisted that guitar in favor of some longed upgrades to my home, and I now think that was the only wise thing to do. In fact someone close to me would most likely have nailed my balls to the ceiling if I'd done the opposite...:D

The Carvin Gambale sig model looks awesome! Hope you will be able to get one, and that it will be just as satisfying to play as it looks good!

Speaking of dreams not coming through for me, I really had hoped to visit Lithuania in April to see RTF w/Gambale, but will have to work like a dog that weekend with a stage play it seems. Well, that's life.

I wouldn't bet on it, but until otherwise decided, I hope that SD will come back to Europe, and Norway in particular, at least one more time before they retire from touring.

Anyone heard any rumours of a European leg this year or next?

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 17:09:36 ET
Posted by: Tony, New Jersey Shore

OK, Dan Fans. I have to bid my summer vacation weeks on Wednesday 3/9. I live in N.J. Will they be at the Beacon or Borgata or PNC Art Center in late July.. Or early August?? If anyone has any info on this, please help. I want to pick the right vacation weeks to see them..

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 14:40:20 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Hey Buddy/ Cool post/ Lions and Tigers and Dan!!

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 14:16:13 ET
Posted by: Buddy Sotfer, I'm new here

Another day, another date..., At the Zoo!

Jul 20 Toledo, OH - Toledo Zoo
Tickets pre-sale March 8, on sale March 11

Lions and Tigers and Steely Dan


Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 13:31:32 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Still Snowbound

Concert in PA is actually in Bethlehem. Former site of the old Bethlehem Steel mill and now casino and close to my alma mater.

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 12:51:14 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Hey Jazz/ I am not the most computer savvy guy/ its a miracle I found my way to you good folks on the blue! By the way how is your Sadowsky? I hope it has served you well/ I am looking or I should say drooling over the new Carvin FG1. Was getting ready to broach the subject with the wife but now that the Steely Dan show is coming It will have to wait. Since I can have it custom [ Ill have mother of pearl block inlays/Teal green color and a personalised name plate on the truss rod cover please] with a 5 to 6 week buildtime my Bday is Aug 22 so that may work well!!

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 11:15:13 ET
Posted by: Thanks, Doc

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 10:37:56 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Steely Dan at Allentown's Musikfest, August 10, 730P at the Sands Casino's Steel Stage.

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 10:28:01 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ���

July 20. is a Wedensday. Have fun!!

Btw, how can you NOT have a calendar when you obviously have both a computer and an internet connection?? Just wondering...

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 09:19:46 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Hey another day I just read your post and got so excited I almost fell off my chair!! Our boys at the zoo and I am ready to call my fave cousin who works there to see if she can hook her Steely addicted family member up. One prob I dont have a calendar in the house would one of my Steely Bros or Sisters please tell me what day of the week that is. PLEASE HURRY I AM SO FLUSTERED!!

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 06:08:03 ET
Posted by: Another day, another date..., At the Zoo!

Jul 20 Toledo, OH - Toledo Zoo
Tickets pre-sale March 8, on sale March 11

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 06:02:48 ET
Posted by: @The Dean:, Get in touch for that record you're looking for

I think I have a spare copy just gathering dust here. (email me changing the AT and DOT to @and .



Any other interested are Sara & Rebecca's 2006 album are encouraged to contact me. CD:s aren't cheap here in Sweden but cheaper than Amazon.

I'll order a handful and mail them out on a first come first served basis. No cost. All in the name of Dandom fandom.

(The record was oddly never released as a legal dopwnload. CD only, AFAIK. And by the way things look soon out of print.)

Date: Mon, March 07, 2011, 00:39:47 ET
Posted by: Steely , Sho

"On that twain all gwaphite and gwitter."

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 23:34:17 ET
Posted by: bob,

That Japanese Shogun Fagen impersonator is one of the funniest things that I've ever seen! Any time I need a good laugh I watch one of his videos. It doesn't matter which one. It's freaking hysterical!

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 23:31:07 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Check "other sellers". The Sara & Rebecka "Fire In The Hole" CD is only USD 20.00 from Amazon, not USD 36.00.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 22:30:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Actually, I meant to post Rose Darling instead of Josie. Guess I screwed up. Thanks for the save.

I have heard a few others from that album, but never the title track: Fire in the Hole. That's one of my very favorite from CBAT. If you find something streaming, please let me know.

I'd love to buy it, but it's $36 on Amazon. A bit pricey IMO. I'd love to find a legit download for a reasonable price.

Nicholas, that's very funny. But i have to admit kind of liking those guys. Certainly the music is fine, but it's the Fagen impersonator I find most intriguing. My biggest complaint of most traditional Dan cover bands is, the lead vocals are usually performed by an overblown stadium rock singer. This guy has the whole Fagen act down pretty well. The Japanese accent combined with the Fagen attitude is damn comedic, IMO.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 19:29:03 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

The Dean gives us a good laugh with Steely Shodan, but my thoughts tend toward a Bob Marley lyric while watching: Kill it before it grows.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 18:28:01 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, throwing out my gold teeth

The "Fire In The Hole" (2006) album by Sara & Rebecka is one of my favorite Dan cover projects, too!
In fact, I tried to draw some attention to them here a few years ago, but noone seemed interested at that time...

The good thing is they don't try to be Steely Dan, or make versions that's even close to the originals, which I never really saw the point of doing. Nobody beats the Dan at being the Dan, anyway.
But these girls shows how much the songs can be stripped down and yet really shine. As Mike pointed out in the mic & recording thread, good songwriting is the biggest treasure in the wonderful world of music!

Imagine my suprise ♪♫ when I on a winters day back in '08 (I think) went into one of the shopping malls of Oslo (Norway's capital) to look for something in the local music store, only to hear a girls voice beautifully singing Rose Darling at quite a loud volume. It could easily be heard at a 100-150 ft distance from the shop, through all the other sounds & buzz that always fills these malls. I think I actually started to run to the shop to ask the staff what this was, and why nobody had ever told me it even existed! ;D. After being informed, I bought 4 copies. (Christmas gifts for some particular friends & myself).
It has been rotating alot since then...

3 songs are on Youtube, and this is Rose Darling:

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 17:23:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Reggae Sunday

Since we are on an Asian bent, and with all the recent discussion of Deacon Blues, have you checkout out Steely Shodan lately? I love his music. :#)

I still think, song for song, Rebecka T�rnqvist & Sara Isaksson perform the most interesting Dan covers. PGE introduced us to these fine performers a while back.:

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 15:43:29 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Thank you, The Dean and Mike.
I forgot to mention the Aussie version of Glamour Profession: Pig Shootin'

Of course, we know that had Gaucho been recorded in Hong Kong it would have sounded just like Aja, except there would be 327 different dumplings for the midnight meal at the McCann table.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 15:40:51 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Thank you, The Dean and Mike.
I forgot to mention the Aussie version of Glamour Profession: Pig Shootin'

Of course, we know that had Gaucho been recorded in Hong Kong it would have sounded just like Aja, except there would be 327 different dumplings for the midnight meal at the McCann table.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 09:38:56 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, My Location/Other Caption

Abu, thanks for the Deacon Blues link. Nice to finally hear that one, too.

Mike, you wonder why Deacon Blues was pulled from the original release.
My suggestion is it was because the original release was a vinyl LP (1978 Century Records CR-1110). The total playing time for the B-side (SD-side) of the record is 22:57.
I guess it would've been difficult to include one more track without compromising on the audio quality.
When the album was re-released on CD many years later, it was included.
After repeated listens to Woody's Deacon Blues, I must say I can understand why it was this one that had to go. Imho, it was the "weakest" track from that session. Not that it's not good, but still... To my ears that was a wise choice.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 08:11:25 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Hey Bullgoose,

Thank you for that piece of outback psychedelia. You made my laugh many times while reading.

As album art it brings to mind a Balinese painting...all the little scenes. You must be a Vonnegut fan.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 07:50:51 ET
Posted by: Mike,

bullgoose, that made my head spin, a little too cerebral to go along with my morning cereal.

Abu, thanks for that. Why was this track pulled from the official release?

Now all we need is to hear the full version of 'Proud To Be Your Slave' and we're gold.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 07:38:27 ET
Posted by: ... until his hat floats, updated and click the 2010 link "... until his hat floats" for a nice pic of you-know-who enjoying the view.

Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 07:23:19 ET
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Date: Sun, March 06, 2011, 06:12:27 ET
Posted by: Date 8,

Aug 19 Nashville, TN, The Woods At Fontanel. Tickets March 9 & 12

Date: Sat, March 05, 2011, 22:27:48 ET
Posted by: T.C, (U)

While reading this, I was wondering if Rick Derringer and Purdie were ever credited on the same SD track?

Date: Sat, March 05, 2011, 18:54:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


Thanks for the link!



Date: Sat, March 05, 2011, 15:21:54 ET
Posted by: Abu, Riding the Double-A, pre-1985

Folks, if there is anyone out there who has still not heard Woody Herman's cover of "Deacon Blues", I see that it can now be "Herd" on youtube:

Interestingly, SD's reference to the "Double A" subway in NYC would have to be in 1985 or sooner, as the Double-designation trains were changed to single letters. Now, Pix would be clinging to the roof of the C train. However now, if specifically going to Christopher St (Sheridan Square) station, it appears that only the 1,2, or 3 trains go to that station. If she was on top of the 2 train, which is an express train, then it would speed right through (it doesn't stop) the Sheridan Square station, unless it was late at night, in which case the number 2 express DOES stop there.... (now, the disclaimer: I do not live in NYC, but the above subway trivia is from my non-expert analysis of the NYC subway maps)


Date: Fri, March 04, 2011, 18:31:23 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Bullgoose here
Hey Mike,
Of course the Rode is a good microphone: it's made in Australia.
Take it from me, if Gaucho had been recorded in Australia they would have polished it off in a weekend, no worries. Freed from the vicissitudes of homeric tracking sessions the boys may never have broken up. In any case the reunion would definitely have kicked off no later than 1982.

Of course the song titles would have been more Aussie:

Barramundi Sisters
Dreamtime Out of Mind
My Rival is Still Me Mate, Mate
Gaucho the Drover
G'day, Nineteen
Back in Oz at Last, Mate
Bonus Track: Singalong-Jerome Aniton's Best Aussie Drinking Songs, Mate

The album cover would, I believe, feature a high class photograph of a bare-arsed man riding bare-back on an emu towards a retreating blow fly the size of a moose. Several ramshackle rural buildings lean and loom ominously towards a hobo/ derro/swagman lolling in the pouch of a languid or highly agitated kangaroo. In the far distance a skunk grapples with a crocodile, who gets pinned with a move he's never seen before. An ugly crowd, pockets stuffed with ping pong balls watches contentedly as a priest, a rabbi, a mullah, an astrologer, a scientologist, a fitness instructor, several presidents and a naturopath ritually gut each other with sharpened holy books. Oxen and sheep take notes. An ancient Greek philosopher/mathematician/street vendor of haughty mien prepares himself shrimp crepes, although his cardboard sign misspeledly proclaims, 'Meet Pi's If You Wil $3.99 No Change'. Locusts are landing their space craft inexpertly at the edges of the frame. Aware of the locusts but preoccupied, a skinny man in dark glasses attempts to hand crank an Audi TT while his priceless female companion writes the number 1,387,290,141,009,000,000,786 in lipstick on a,frankly, inadequate scrap of paper. The overwhelming effect is of ordinary folk preparing for, or recovering from, a crack party on an outback track.
Opening the double fold cover reveals a mosaic of stylised Duke Ellingtons-thousands of them.The money saved on recording has made it possible for every last little Duke to sport cheekbones highlighted with real gold leaf-pure class!

Although completely accurate, this is possibly all conjecture, and I will stand by every word.
I wish you abundant headroom whatever microphones you use.

Date: Fri, March 04, 2011, 17:09:21 ET
Posted by: Z, CT

Looks like they will be in CT Friday, July 29th.

JHB show is the night before

Date: Thurs, March 03, 2011, 23:48:00 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Hutch: Amazing find. A few of the chorde are different in the intro (not that there's anything wrong with that), but both are amazing and some ring in the vocals. The solo from 3:10-3-15 displays Fagen's genius. They honored him well.

Date: Thurs, March 03, 2011, 15:37:57 ET
Posted by: Grapevine, Rumo(u)rs

According to a short post in the Kansas City Star's music blog at:

"An announcement is pending on a Kansas City show at Starlight Theatre."

Date: Thurs, March 03, 2011, 08:16:08 ET
Posted by: Mike, @microphone

Looking on, Neumann mics go from $700 on up to the $8,000+ ballpark (and those are new mics, not vintage ones). You're right about the other brands coming close to the vintage sound reproduction quality of the better mics. That Sony C-800 looks and sounds nice with 20Hz-18kHz frequency response and low self-noise. However, like you said, a great preamp is just as important in order to get the most out of a specific mic.

This website explains in great detail about choosing the best preamp and how to do it (because reading mic stat sheets can be confusing, let alone matching them up to a preamp). An excellent read:

The idea is to match whatever mic you have with the proper preamp so that there isn't any input overload and the lowest noise possible for a clean recording.

A great mic for the more economic consumer would have to be the Rode NT1000. At just $329 (*note* retail price is $599), this is one helluva good condenser mic. It has 20Hz-20kHz frequency response, extremely low self-noise (6 dBA), 134 dB dynamic range, etc. It typically receives glowing reviews and it's easy to see why. Not everyone can afford to purchase an $8G professional mic.

Date: Thurs, March 03, 2011, 00:43:01 ET
Posted by: microphones,

I haven't tried the Duet, but Apogee is quite good and should be fine, especially if your mic is decent.

If you want a mic preamp that's the next step beyond the Apogee interface where you can hear a difference, you would probably have to spend $500 to $800 for something like the FMR preamp, or a single channel Summit tube pre, or you can probably find a used Rane solid state preamp (another company Roger Nichols liked). Other good ones are Manley, Universal Audio, Joe Meek, and the price keeps going up and up (Neve, TubeTech). But you need to take your mic and try them out. What works best depends on the voice and instruments being recorded, and personal taste plays a huge role.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 22:35:11 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Microphones, any recommendations for entry level preamps? I've been researching a recording setup for a while and have realized I can suit my purposes just fine with some computer upgrades, Logic Studio, an Apogee Duet and a nice condensor mic ...

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 21:06:19 ET
Posted by: microphones,

Well, generally Neumann mics don't cost $8000. Only vintage ones. You can get new Neumann large diaphragm condensers for around $1000, and new versions of the old classics for $3000.

Now, the mic Donald had been using for recent albums is a Sony C-800 tube condenser that DOES cost $8900. That through a LA2A or 1176 compressor, also pricey.

But there are more fabulous reasonably priced microphones available now than ever. Many are close replicas of vintage Neumann and Telefunken mics and many engineers can't differentiate between the old and new.

Check out Audio-Technica, Blue, Rode, Mojave Audio, Groove Tubes (Walter and Roger praised these mics), Shure, AKG, Peluso, etc. for an excellent selection of pro mics at great prices.

The mic and mic preamp are more important than all the computer stuff (except maybe the A/D, D/A converters) and could be a major part of inspiring a great performance. Great headphones that fit comfortably can also be important.

Read TapeOp magazine (free subscription) and look up columns written by Roger Nichols for EQ magazine for excellent pro and home recording tips.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 18:22:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, impressed

Oh, that was beautiful. And most of their other SD covers are just as good.
They make such intelligent arrangements! Stripping the songs down to the absolute basics, yet maintaining all the important details. That's really musicianship. Hats off, flat or not...

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 18:04:10 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

We've seen these two fine Italian musicians before.
This is just outstanding!

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 17:51:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, thinks we're done with the tech stuff for a lttle while so people won't get bored... this will be my last on this subject tonight.

Yes, the Neumann mics are commonly used.
The reason why mics are such a big investment for pro studios is both that good mics are expencive, and that the studios as a rule have got plenty of different mics for different uses.
Some performers, especially vocalists, is so attached to and dependent on their favorite mic model that they even got their own which they bring to the studios every time.

I didn't use to be a big Mellencamp fan myself, but this particular album really hit me hard.
It's the total opposite of what i.e. Steely Dan is about, except from that good songwriting is essential, but my musical taste is multifaceted, so one doesn't exclude the other.

Tonight's joke:
Q: How do you know that the person knocking on your door at 3 AM is a lousy vocalist?
A: Bad timing & wrong key.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 17:00:49 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Jazzassin

Well naturally the quality of mic is very important. Those German Neumann mics (hope I spelled it right) go for around $8,000+; you see those around professional studios a lot. However, they're not ideal for drums, particularly the low-end on things like the kick drum. But if that's too hard on your budget, you can still get a solid condenser mic starting at the $350-500 price-point.

I didn't know about that Mellencamp album; I was never a real fan so you'll have to forgive my lack of knowledge in that department. The most important thing isn't really the recording process but rather the quality of music & execution. A good studio set-up can aggrandize the effects of great music. In some rare instances, the music benefits from having an "antiquated sound," such as the soundtracks to bizarre horror films from decades' past.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 13:16:35 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, at the crossroad

Regarding recording technology versus musical quality:

This is a good opportunity to mention a quite unike project from 2010, namely John Mellencamp's "No Better Than This".
During breaks on the Nelson/Dylan tour, Mellencamp recorded "No Better Than This" at historic locations, such as the First African Baptist Church in Savannah, Georgia, as well as at the historic Sun Studios in Memphis and the Sheraton Gunter Hotel in San Antonio, where blues pioneer Robert Johnson recorded blues staples like �Sweet Home Chicago� and �Cross Road Blues.�
Mellencamp recorded the album using a 1955 Ampex portable recording machine and only one microphone, requiring all the musicians to gather together around the mic. The album was recorded in mono, the same manner as the classic folk and blues recordings of the 1930s and '40s.
The album is absolutely amazing. In addition to be a hommage to an era, the songs are very good imho, and the musicians all play fantastic. It's warm, emotional, humorous and partly virtuosic.
I guess it must have been pretty frustrating recording it at some points, due to the fact that when you record this way, everyone has to do their part over again if just one little flaw should occur.
The album was produced by T-Bone Burnett.
Recommended if you like this kind of music, or just are interested in hearing how good an oldfashioned analog mono recording can sound in our time.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 12:56:19 ET
Posted by: Young Wu,

Haha, nice to hear from ya Don Patrol! Hope to see you at Constellation Brands!

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 12:41:05 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, over here

I agree to almost everything of that.
But never underestimate good mics. The musical ideas will certainly not benefit from them, but the technical recording quality ALWAYS will, whether you record in the most expencive studios on the planet, or on an old Tascam 4-track cassette recorder from the 80-s.
They are, with almost no exeption, quite expencive, though.
I have a couple of friends running professional studios, and the investments made in mics summes up to about half of the total investments, if not more.
In a pure midi environment that's not essential of course, but the moment Don calls for Keith to lay down a real drum track and the girls to do the backup vocals, those state-of-the-art mics are being mounted in their stands.
With lousy mics, you have a crap in = crap out situation.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 12:33:13 ET
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Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 11:35:51 ET
Posted by: Mike,

The Dean, "With that said, real genius seems to find a way no matter what he/she has on hand."

Precisely. It doesn't matter what recording equipment one has access to; it's all about the quality of the songwriting/composition. No amount of high-quality studio gear can substitute for lack of music quality and ingenuity.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 11:33:52 ET
Posted by: Mike, @both The Dean and Jazzassin

Jazzassin, "That's about the price you have to pay over here, too. Whether that's expencive or not is an individual consideration, I guess. Many people today certainly have more computing power, peripherals and advanced software than they "need", but as we say here:
The difference between a boy and a man is the price tag on their toys... :D "

I suppose so, but then again, just because somebody can afford to spend a crapload of money on a DAW doesn't guarantee a better recording than someone else who just has an analog 4-track recorder with a lousy mic. It's easy to lose track of what's important when dealing with expensive equipment and such. Great music should be the primary goal of having said equipment (unless you're using it for production work, as stated before, in which case it's just as useful).

"Sometimes, though, one can always ask oneself questions like:
'What could my hyper-creative but obviously underpaid friend Mr.X have done if he had access to the same hardware as my neighbour's spoilt 10 year old son, who only use it for gaming anyway?'"

Yup, there are audio connoisseurs who simply must have the highest quality and won't settle for anything less. They spend more than the average userbase would on their equipment.

"But that is a question related to personal and national economy, politics, and even personal characteristics, like envy. ...Those are factors we won't discuss here, I think. ...It's a question of prioritizing, for most of us."

I dunno about politics but you're right about personal preference.

"Btw, even Don had to eat quite a lot of brown rice in the Bard days, but he survived, and now he's using ProTools."

Yes, and doing so with with a great studio set-up, no doubt. It makes perfect sense that one of the greatest songwriters of all time would prefer to work with quality equipment which he'll actually utilize for a real purpose. Roger Nichols has given lectures on using DAWs like Pro Tools and general recording.

The only reason I would consider using something like Pro Tools, Logic Pro, etc. would be if I had worthy material which could benefit from the quality of those DAWs and the means to utilize them to the fullest. But I don't (currently) have enough material. What I'm doing is focusing on MIDI programs for composing/arranging work and compiling material.

I heard that when Donald was working on The Nightfly (or was it Kamakiriad, or both?), he'd program in a basic drum groove, the keyboard part and perhaps a basic bass line & melody, then show it to the performers who'd then play over that original MIDI (because it's so precise and locked in the pocket) and develop from there.

Hey, it's a good idea.


The Dean, "With the obvious exception of the audio interface (which tend to be quite pricey) buying a PC with more than enough power/features to run something like Pro Tools isn't very expensive at all, these days. Yes you CAN pay a ton of money, but you don't have to."

But the thing is, in order to fully utilize something like Pro Tools, you need a high-quality audio interface/soundboard which costs a lot of money. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose of having a high-end DAW. And the only logical reason for spending so much money on audio equipment of the sort is for serious music production. Either that or you've got money to spare.

"Careful shopping can get you a machine with a very fast Core i5 or even Core i7 processor, 4-8 GB of fast RAM, huge and fast HD, decent graphics card, etc for well under $1,000. I'd say you can probably find one for under $700 or even less. By the time you add the other peripherals (not including the audio interface) you might be around $1,000. But maybe I'm missing something."

In the case of getting a high-performance PC, that can be obtained for a reasonable cost. But you have to factor in everything else which would be necessary in order for a high-end DAW to serve a real purpose: a soundboard/audio interface (quality won't come cheap), quality headphones and/or speakers, microphone(s) for vocals and/or non-electronic instruments, at least one MIDI-capable keyboard/synth, all of the cords and cables to connect everything, power cable, and (most important) talent enough to bring everything together in a practical manner, because paying a small fortune for a home studio should serve a real purpose. I suppose that if you were to just use one keyboard to create MIDI tracks, then take it from there and make something which required multitracking, that would make sense as well.

"I'm not suggesting this isn't a real investment, but compared to just a few years ago, you get far more power for much less moola"

In terms of CPU processing and such, yes, that's true. However, everything else comes at a price. I mean, you CAN go cheap on everything if you want to or simply can't afford the high-end stuff, but then what's the point in using a high-end DAW? In such instances, wouldn't it make more sense to use something like Audacity, FL Studio, etc. until you've learned the ropes and are ready to step up production out of necessity?

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 11:26:37 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, jazzappa

You got my point, Dean! I've watched that Zappa video some times before, and it's very amusing, indeed.
What a shame ol'Frank left us way to early, I'm sure he would've had a couple of good things to throw into todays public debate, not to speak of all the fantastic music that I'm sure he had yet not made, and that never will be.
Miss his genious.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 11:03:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Very interesting discussion. And I think Jazzy hit the nail on the head.

With that said, real genius seems to find a way no matter what he/she has on hand:

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 10:39:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, here in the western world

@ Mike & The Dean
That's about the price you have to pay over here, too. Whether that's expencive or not is an individual consideration, I guess. Many people today certainly have more computing power, peripherals and advanced software than they "need", but as we say here:
The difference between a boy and a man is the price tag on their toys... :D

Sometimes, though, one can always ask oneself questions like:
"What could my hyper-creative but obviously underpaid friend Mr.X have done if he had access to the same hardware as my neighbour's spoilt 10 year old son, who only use it for gaming anyway?"

But that is a question related to personal and national economy, politics, and even personal characteristics, like envy.

Those are factors we won't discuss here, I think.

It's a question of prioritizing, for most of us.
Btw, even Don had to eat quite a lot of brown rice in the Bard days, but he survived, and now he's using ProTools.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 10:02:09 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

I wonder why is showing a presale for the Columbia tickets but ticketmaster doesn't? Weird!!!

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 09:35:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding DAWs and computer price/power:

With the obvious exception of the audio interface (which tend to be quite pricey) buying a PC with more than enough power/features to run something like Pro Tools isn't very expensive at all, these days. Yes you CAN pay a ton of money, but you don't have to.

Careful shopping can get you a machine with a very fast Core i5 or even Core i7 processor, 4-8 GB of fast RAM, huge and fast HD, decent graphics card, etc for well under $1,000. I'd say you can probably find one for under $700 or even less. By the time you add the other peripherals (not including the audio interface) you might be around $1,000. But maybe I'm missing something.

I'm not suggesting this isn't a real investment, but compared to just a few years ago, you get far more power for much less moola.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 07:43:32 ET
Posted by: Mike,

"No, I'm the luckiest guy on earth making a living doing things I really like, and on top of that being able to play music with good friends in a similar situation."

Well that's good to hear. Most people don't get to live the lives they wanted and have to settle for a compromise.

"Regarding your pointing out that a reasonably strong, fast processor is needed to get any value for the money spent on other components and software: That goes without saying."

People want power + tons of options at their disposal, even though they don't really have a need for it. They don't tend to have high-performance PCs + expensive equipment, so it defeats the purpose of having an expensive DAW.

"Maybe I took for granted that most of those who are interested enough have actually got that, but then again, I live in Norway, where the cost of a powerful stationary computer is relatively low. Especially if you order components online and build them yourself, like me."

Here in the US, getting a custom-built high-performance PC would cost a pretty penny, not to mention getting all the equipment and the right studio set-up. I mean unless you're involved in costly production, i.e. TV, film, video games, etc., there's no logical reason why average joe hack needs a 128/255 multitrack DAW. Conversely, it makes perfect sense for somebody like Donald Fagen to use one: he's a professional musician who makes high-quality music.

"Damn, that was all about me, I'm afraid. And I'm not even Dangential."

Regardless, the only reason I brought up DAWs is because Donald mentioned using one (Pro Tools) for his new solo album. Therefore, no harm in discussing it in greater length. I'm rather surprised that more people here on the Blue don't use recording gear.

Date: Wed, March 02, 2011, 00:13:58 ET
Posted by: Claire, Time Machine

Well, it's March 1 for another 46 minutes where I am as I write this.

I believe it was 11 years ago today that the "Plush Video" made its debut on PBS.

Time flies.

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 18:40:41 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, not Dangential...

I agree that one should never let the fact that others are "better" than yourself stop you from doing things you want to do, and also that finishing things that you've started is always a good thing if you want to get better at it.
Therefore I'll probably always have playing and making music for a hobby, though I never really had serious ambitions in that field. But it's to much fun to refrain from - a dozen wild horses couldn't keep me from it!
However, selling myself short or not, I know my limitations, and the world certainly don't need yet another mediocre artist on it's neck. It has always been a hobby, but nothing more, and I like it like that.
The fact that I'm 47 and perfectly happy with what I do for a living is also a good argument for not to start having totally new ambitions in another field, don't you think? ;)
No, I'm the luckiest guy on earth making a living doing things I really like, and on top of that being able to play music with good friends in a similar situation.

Regarding your pointing out that a reasonably strong, fast processor is needed to get any value for the money spent on other components and software: That goes without saying. Maybe I took for granted that most of those who are interested enough have actually got that, but then again, I live in Norway, where the cost of a powerful stationary computer is relatively low. Especially if you order components online and build them yourself, like me.

Damn, that was all about me, I'm afraid. And I'm not even Dangential.

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 16:55:15 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Jazzassin, even if we did debate last year, it's just water under the bridge (I don't hold grudges over petty things like online debates).

Anyway, in response to your post, I like the features of many of the high-end DAWs like Pro Tools and Cubase. As you said, it can be fun just messing around with VSTs, experimenting with knobs and such. Some programs, such as Adobe Audition or GoldWave, are good for editing audio clips and mixing tracks together but aren't reknown for great MIDI support, unlike Logic Pro and the like. In fact, from what I gather, Audition 4 does away with MIDI support completely, focusing instead on pure audio editing. Cubase and the like are only preferrable if you've got a professional audio interface/soundcard for your PC and a strong, fast processor. Otherwise, there's not much point.

Guitar Rig is pretty sweet, as is Addictive Drums, but I don't have extensive experience with either program. I've tested some of Roger's plug-ins are pretty snazzy, especially his Digital Detailer, but, honestly, I've seen better EQs and such than his.

"And again, a soundcard with ASIO low latency driver support and high resolution/bitrate is absolutely necessary. If you want to use analog input for recording, it should have the required input jacks of course.
I use an old, but very good M-Audio Delta 66 with a breakout box offering 4 x analog in, 4 x analog out and s/pdif in/out."

I think that every serious musician working with DAWs is privy to ASIO4ALL. It's free and essential, especially with regards to MIDI, though perhaps not so much for analog input.

"The most important thing is, as you say, good songwriting skills. And that you can actually play well. That's two ingredients where my competency falls short, which is why I could never have made a living out of music. :( "

You sell yourself short. Perhaps you expect too much of yourself? Y'know, you don't HAVE to create the next SD-calibur album in order to be any good. Here's some simple advice for you: Finish what you start, no matter what. Get in the habit o completing the work you set out to do. "Skill to do comes of doing." Too many people think that they can only be a good musician if they complete a semester in a music college or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.

"Oh, man, I too really look forward to the new stuff. I guess we all do ;)"

Yeah. Considering the drought of good music around, a new DF album would be just what the doctor ordered to put a little more shine in the sun for 2011.

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 16:26:42 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Tulsa show on July 12 is now showing up on in addition to other OK show on July 13

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 14:15:31 ET
Posted by: Don Patrol, Mtl

Shout out to Young Wu! Show or shows in northern NY! Maybe We'll see each other at a show.Maybe for longer than a few secs. Got my border issues solved, so USA here I come. Peace to all.

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 11:45:47 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, plugging in

Before I give a reply to your post, I would like to take the opportunity to apologize for what happened between you and me somtime ago (2010), when discussing pc's and recording technology.
(Because that was you, wasn't it?)
There was certainly some disagreements & misunderstandings going on between us, and I guess at times I even argumented in ways that in no way meets the standards that should be mandatory at this nobel forum.
I hope this can be forgiven, and that we can discuss like civilized people again.

Being an amateur in digital recording, I have really no strong preferences for either of those DAWs, but have used Steinberg Cubase for some years, and think it is a very fine software. I'm now taking a closer look at Cakewalk Sonar, but will need at least a couple more months to do a fair comparision.
However, I think you're right that they all mostly differs in features and work environment.

Steinberg Nuendo, I believe, has a lot of features for media production that I don't need, whereas Cubase is the pure audio recording software from Steinberg. For mastering and some editing purposes I use Steinberg Wavelab, which is absolutely fantastic. Some nights i can just play around with vst and ssl plugins for hours, for no other reasons than that it's very funny...
Regarding plugins, I guess native support for vst, ssl and some others should be a demand when you make a descision on what to use.
NI Guitar Rig is also strongly recommended if you play, or have other people playing guitar in a recording situation.
Btw, does anyone have any experience with the Roger Nichols Audio Plugins? Would be nice to hear a little about those.

And again, a soundcard with ASIO low latency driver support and high resolution/bitrate is absolutely necessary. If you want to use analog input for recording, it should have the required input jacks of course.
I use an old, but very good M-Audio Delta 66 with a breakout box offering 4 x analog in, 4 x analog out and s/pdif in/out.

The most important thing is, as you say, good songwriting skills. And that you can actually play well. That's two ingredients where my competency falls short, which is why I could never have made a living out of music. :(

Oh, man, I too really look forward to the new stuff. I guess we all do ;)

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 10:55:10 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Mike - You could be right. An early spring release makes sense since one can only assume it's finished.

Hmmm... "deep cuts". Wonder what THAT means? I would say that if anything at all is played off of 2vN or EMG that would be considered a "deep cut" at this point.

Here's some interesting Mike Leonhart stuff...

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 10:04:41 ET
Posted by: Mike,

Isn't Donald's new solo work due out early this year (presumably before the SD tour kicks off)? I don't want to be presumptuous given the lack of information. No album title, tracklisting, performers, release date... but we do know that it's being recorded using Pro Tools.

Speaking of DAWs, what do you people think is best for digital audio recording? Indeed, do any of you record? There's Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Cubase, Nuendo, FL Studio, Audition, and more. Most of these offer both destructive & non-destructive environments, tons of editing tools and features, MIDI & plug-in support, etc. but no matter what DAW you use, your computer will record digital audio with the same clarity regardless. So it's really just a change of work environment and features.

In any case, the quality of the DAW cannot compensate for lack of ingenuity and quality songwriting. That's why I have full confidence in Donald: he could record an album on an ancient 4-track and still find a way to make it sound great. I can't wait to hear something new from one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

Date: Tues, March 01, 2011, 06:14:44 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, home

Didn't see this posted before but it looks like there is going to be a warm up act again this year.

Late-breaking news! Steely Dan will be coming to the Fabulous Fox Theatre (St. Louis) on August 24 of this year. We'll let the Fox's press release say it all:

Greatest hits and deep cuts alike will be showcased at Fox Theatre on August 24 at 8 p.m. Acclaimed jazz artist Sam Yahel is on board as the tour's main support act.

For the show, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker are back with their awesome group of players including Keith Carlock (drums); Jon Herington (guitar); Freddie Washington (bass); Jim Beard (keys); Michael Leonhart, Walt Weiskopf, Roger Rosenberg and Jim Pugh (horns); plus background singers Carolyn Leonhart, Cindy Mizelle, and Catherine Russell.

Tickets go on sale to the public beginning Saturday, March 5 at 10 a.m. Tickets are $75, $55, and $35 with a limited number of Gold Circle seats also available. Purchase tickets at the Fox Box Office, MetroTix outlets or by calling (314) 534-1111. Order tickets online at

Canandaigua, N.Y. �

Grammy-winning performers Ray LaMontagne and the Pariah Dogs and Steely Dan will both be playing shows at Constellation Brands - Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center (CMAC) this summer, announced in a press release Monday morning. Grammy winners Steely Dan, also Rock and Roll Hall of Fame act, will be touring this summer after receiving critical accolades for their 2009 tour. Jazz artist Sam Yahel will be the tour's support act.

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 21:52:08 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, "Chicago," "On location," "Ooo-La-La!", "How's my little girl?", etc.

This seems to be part of the main press release for the tour:
"Greatest hits and deep cuts alike will be showcased".

Dare I dream? Or is Josie gonna be considered a "deep cut"?

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 21:00:26 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, spring training

St. Louis date added, :

Sam Yahel is back as support act....

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 20:32:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I think for once Lexi also got it right.

Kot has always been a douche.

I mean really just look at his photo..
......douche. All ways has been.
Though his review of the new
Radiohead offering is spot on.

Here is the offending Kot Shot
from earlier this month.
Like I've said it before, for
once the Grammy's got it right that
year. I mean really, The Marshall
Mathers LP was a comedy record.
Like an Allan Sherman record.

"Eminem knows the game first-hand. He was the album-of-the-year favorite in 2001, only to have his �The Marshall Mathers LP� topped by Steely Dan�s mediocre �Two Against Nature.� At the time, members of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (the industry professionals who vote on the Grammys) said Eminem�s homophobic and misogynistic language cost him big time, so they fell back on an older band that hadn�t been given its due while in its prime. It was a stance that smacked of hypocrisy (cut to smoke-filled room at recording academy): �We�ll put up with that crass little punk as long as he�s selling records. We�ll even invite him to our big year-end awards ceremony and let him mingle with the tuxedos. But when it comes time to hand out the big prizes, we�ll give them to someone we should�ve paid attention to 20 years ago before we let that potty mouth strut around like he owns the place.�

Afterward, Steely Dan�s Donald Fagen and Walter Becker joked about finally winning a Grammy after �70s releases such as �Pretzel Logic� and �Aja� were overlooked. �I never saw a room of more disappointed people in my life,� Fagen cracked of walking into the post-Grammy media conference."

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 16:41:17 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, spring training

a new post at LEXI SAYS from a few days, Lexi sure has an anal obsession, and can't take criticism....perhaps "Glamour Profession" was originally titles "Anal Obsession":


Greg Kot, phony-baloney music critic for the Chicago Tribune and author of �Ripped: How the Wired Generation Revolutionized Music", succumbed to injuries sustained yesterday when he attempted to perform a difficult basketball maneuver at a family picnic. The stunt involved shoving the ball up his anus and projectile-vomiting it against the backboard to accomplish a perfect lay-up.

Services will be held on Sunday after which Kot will be buried with a �vinyl copy of the Stooges� �Fun House��, according to his wishes.

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 14:07:03 ET
Posted by: Steely ambassadors, 2011

From the Constellation Brands - Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center (CMAC) info pdf on the band:

"For the show, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker are back with their awesome group of players including Keith Carlock (drums); Jon Herington (guitar); Freddie Washington (bass); Jim Beard (keys); Michael Leonhart, Walt Weiskopf, Roger Rosenberg and Jim Pugh (horns); plus background singers Carolyn Leonhart, Cindy Mizelle, and Catherine Russell."

So that's the 2011 Steely Dan band then!



Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 14:00:06 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Also listed on as of this morning:

Aug 02 Columbia, MD Merriweather Post Pavilion
Pre-sale (AMEX) Mar 01; On-sale (General) Mar 04

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 13:55:15 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Giddy

They've added that NY show, plus one near Baltimore on the SD page/tour website. The Amex presale for both is tomorrow. Good planning there.

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 13:42:47 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Canandaigua!!


Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 12:51:46 ET
Posted by: FG, 7

Maybe a return to Turning Stone between Canandaigua and Tanglewood?

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 12:44:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

Many thanks, Doc.

Date: Mon, February 28, 2011, 12:40:53 ET
Posted by: steelydoc,

Canandaigua, N.Y. �

Grammy-winning performers Ray LaMontagne and the Pariah Dogs and Steely Dan will both be playing shows at Constellation Brands - Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center (CMAC) this summer, announced in a press release Monday morning.

Ray LaMontagne and the Pariah Dogs will open the season on Saturday, June 4, with tickets available at 10 a.m. on Saturday, March 5. Steely Dan will play on Saturday, July 23, with tickets available starting Friday, March 4 at noon.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 19:22:25 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Thanks, yeah I thought so.

I also have always liked "Canyon Ladies"
on the Navasota LP "Rootin". It's a
nice "different" LP cira 1972 where this
time Donald & Walter arrange ALL of the
horns and strings on the LP and not Jimmie.
And Donald plays a ton of keys on the LP
and even Skunk makes appearances along
with Howie Kaylan, Mark Volman, Clydie King
and Shirley Mathews.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 19:15:34 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Re: Proud to be Your Slave

Excellent clip. Can't wait to hear the full song. Many thanks for posting this.

El Sup

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 18:37:11 ET
Posted by: PTBYS, P.S.

Yes, Ray, the label on the photo that Jim previously posted indicates "Arranged by Jimmie Haskell."

Also, with out the "...or" of "door" I also thought it could have been "golden dome" when I heard the fragment. Still mystical sounding, though.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 18:28:32 ET
Posted by: PTBYS, Thank you JIM!!!

MANY, MANY THANKS, JIM!!! Delicious!

I got the full 20 seconds that time. And now that I hear the full clip, yes Jazzassin, you're right. I was not hearing "your love" as "your love," but instead with the way it is sung ("your" being stretched out) I was kind of hearing it as "the order of" and without even getting quite to the "...or" of "golden door" I just didn't have enough context to go on, especially with "found" instead of "see". Let's face it, when it comes to Becker & Fagen, the lyric could very well have been something about an "Order of the Golden Door"---sounds somewhat mystical. And yes, I can (and do) easily forgive the minor transcription error in the lyric, but given glitchy circumstances and a mere 4-second clip fragment, it turns out that that one word was somewhat crucial to how I was hearing things and trying to match it up.

My apologies to Jim (and anyone else) if I inadvertently indicated that the first link didn't work when perhaps it actually does, just not for ME. I get finicky web service, so it very well MAY be just me, although as I say the second posted link worked perfectly.

Again, thank you, Jim! I very much appreciate the taste you said you'd bring to us.


(Obviously Brian Sweet did indeed get this one wrong. I suppose it's possible he meant never recorded by Becker & Fagen, but that's not what he said, he just said "never recorded.")

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 16:54:21 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I don't have my copy in front of me
but didn't the great Jimmie Haskell
arrange that track?

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 16:47:56 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Proooud to be...♪♫

Ok, maybe more Palmer-ish than Don-ish, but anyway, an extremely catchy chorus it is! Now I'll have to write limericks and haikus all night just to keep my brain from exploding from humming these 21 seconds. That's how cool this is. Thanks!

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 16:29:54 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, slave, too

Except for the second word in the audio clip, I think Jim's transcription exactly matches the last line of the first verse + the three first lines of the chorus.
Regarding the second word in the clip, I hear "found", whereas Jim wrote "see". But that's already forgiven.
The files I downloaded from Filedropper and Kiwi6 was identical: 328 kB and 21 seconds.

the file hosting sites worked perfectly for me anyway.

I too wish for more than a few seconds of course, but that's up to you. No hard feelings whatsoever.

And a thousand file sharing sites couldn't make you look stupid anyway, we're just happy that you're here and sharing this little gem with us.
It sounds so genuinly Dan, and if I didn't know better I'd think it was some SD guys playing on it. Even the vocals has obvious similarities with Don, AND Palmer, too (to my ears). The arrangement and overall sound is just sooo early Dan! Any idea what these DH folks' names are?

PS: Love the expression "bastard son of Babs & Charlie Freak!

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 16:06:55 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, how bout now

Ok, I'm 98.989989% sure that this link will provide everyone with satisfaction. If it doesn't, I'm the bastard child of Babs and Charlie Freak.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 15:59:39 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Not again!

Agh, once again a filehosting site fails on me! You guys must take me for a village idiot or something who can't utilize media hosting websites correctly! Well, apologies to everyone. On Filedropper, I posted a clip that was exactly twenty one seconds long with that exact URL. I'm not the kind of sneaky bastard who'd post a four second clip, anyway.

Does anyone have any IDEAL audio hosting sites, then, if this one doesn't work? Especially if Filedropper makes me look a stingy jerk... :/

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 15:42:16 ET
Posted by: PTBYS, Uh, what?

First, thanks for the clarification of the year, Jim.

But second, I don't know how big that clip file is supposed to be, but I got 4 seconds and what there is does not match (according to my ears) anything in the lyric as you posted it. Not even close, although I guess it does sound like "...golden do..." at the very end of what I got which would kina/sorta match with the phrase "golden door" except the words immediately prior are not "I see your love, a...."

Are you sure you uploaded the right clip and that that's the proper URL?

If 4 or 5 seconds is all we can get, that's fine and I certainly won't quibble or complain, but when it doesn't seem to match the lyric in any way, well, I just had to ask... Again, thanks.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 14:43:33 ET
Posted by: Kill me, before I grow

I bring up haiku
Then muff the last line with six
Yet now the ball rolls

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 14:14:14 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Here's some slave 4 U

I, too, have some poetic bliss to share with y'all! I call it "Proud to Be Your Slave!"

All alone
I cast off the chains that once held me down
On my own
I struggle in vain to believe what I've found
Unsure of the life to lead
The man to be
I see your love, a golden door that only you could open for me

And I'm proud to be your slave
Do anything you want me to do
I'm proud to be your slave
My darlin'

History has taught me of freedom and loving too
Can't you see
that no one and nothing mean more to me than you
In this cruel world I can't begin to make it on my own
I need you, girl, to find a happiness I have never known

And I'm proud to be your slave
Do anything you want me to do
I'm proud to be your slave
My darlin'

And I'm proud to be your slave
Do anything you want me to do
I'm proud to be your slave
My darlin'

FYI, I've decided, for the time being, to keep PTBYS off Youtube but I've made a short clip of it for those interested. It's just a quick download off Filedropper. Enjoy, mi amigos.

Oh and @PtbyS, the date on that DH record is 1975.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 11:15:07 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, babel's tower

@Kill it:
No offense detected, Sir! :D
Frankly, it would've been more of an offense (to SD & common sense) if you had not perceived my annoying limericks to be as far from the genious of The Two Gifted Ones as it gets.
After all, they were never meant to compete or impress in any way, just an innocent joke from one who's brain couldn't easily stop making up stupid rhymes after being put on the limerick track. I promise to see someone about this problem soon. In the meantime, let's just hope it isn't contagious.
However, i think it was really cruel of you to even mention the word Haiku. Because of that, I have now during the last 30 minutes written over seven hundred danspired haikus, but something tells me I shouldn't really post them here, at least not right now. That means I'll be charged by several friends and family members for earplug expenses at the end of next week. Well, shit happens, but I guess that's what one gets for sharing the fruits of ones never resting creative and enlightened mind with the common peasants.
Any world that I'm welcome to, etc, etc.

@turning japanese:
The haiku was nice, but I warn you: People on this forum doesn't appreciate the fine arts half as much as they like to pretend, so don't expect any recognition here. They're mostly common peasants.

Your description of the prototypical Dan chick was spot-on.

Sagans scientific knowledge dispersion was always very inspiring, but I must also admit that namedropping him was part of a bold strategy to give the limerick the little extra touch of both science and originality. Or, in other words, it was damned difficult to find somthing meaningful that rhymes with Fagen. Maybe almost as difficult as the "rhyme-with-Becker-dilemma", if not even slightly more so. Hard to decide, really. Anyway, I ended up with Sagan instead of something meaningful.

If you only knew how hard it is to be a poet these days. Only the Nobel's Litterature Prize can make up for all the hard work I put into it, but I'm pretty sure it will come my way some day soon, and when that happens you folks will be the first ones to know, as I am perfectly aware that no one would be prouder on my behalf than the population of the Greater Dandom, and it will be a pleasure to share the honor & glory with you all. Actually, I'm writing an acceptance speech already, and I will be sure to mention this inspiring crowd in it. We are together about this.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 11:10:16 ET
Posted by: turning japanese, Haiku in the Custerdome

strike the 7 line...

deep cut tunes and THREE hot brats....

the "three" makes the 7

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 10:55:19 ET
Posted by: turning japanese, Haiku in the Custerdome

haiku is 5-7-5 usually referring to a season...

A Dan filled Summer
Deep Cut tunes and Hot Brats
make fans melt like wax

ok, very cheesy, but a haiku none-the-less

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 10:24:16 ET
Posted by: PTBYS, According to Brian Sweet (fwiw)

P.S. Should have mentioned... I can't quite make out the date from the photos you posted (but I was certainly glad to see them... Thanks!). It looks to me like it's definitely latter half decade 197something, probably 9, but maybe 8 or even 6?

Looking forward to reading lyrics if/when you get around to posting'em.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 10:14:15 ET
Posted by: PTBYS, According to Brian Sweet (fwiw)

Jim, What's the date on that DH PTBYS record? (I see no date listed in the SD database.)

Just curious because Brian Sweet had this to say in his famously skewered (around here anyway) bio as of the �1994 edition...

Top of p. 40:

Another title Becker and Fagen composed which did not fit their "cheesy" criteria was a tune called "Proud ToBe Your Slave" which according to Fagen had "a Carole-King-type feel". Publisher Eddie Lambert was also impressed. "It was probably the best song they ever wrote that was not recorded by Steely Dan," he said. Lambert's concerted efforts to place the song with a major artist met with no success, however, and he was annoyed that he could not persuade anyone to record it. "Proud To Be Your Slave" was eventually consigned to the same fate as all their other attempts and to this day remains unrecorded.


I'm not one who claims Sweet's bio is gospel, but neither am I one to gripe about it being full of lies and quarter-truths either. I don't know one way from another personally, so I tend to provisionally accept Sweet's account at face value until/unless proven otherwise. (Maybe only a fool would say that, but still...) I can easily see how a mistake about a little known early track not even actualy recorded by the duo could make it into print and remain uncorrected. I won't skewer over that.

So... Just wondering. Thanks.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 09:21:02 ET
Posted by: Kill it , before it grows

No offense intended, Jazzassin. But in terms of verse, Haiku is more in line with the SD ethos, don't you think?

The Embassy Brats
Here comes the Miles High Big Band
A Steely Dan summer

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 09:09:24 ET
Posted by: Mike, @Jim

Re: 'We Built This City'

That song always struck me as a cry for help.

Date: Sun, February 27, 2011, 02:32:41 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


I find it fascinating that you seem to share two of my biggest passions in life: the music of The Two, and the popular science of Carl Sagan.

Recently read the biography "Carl Sagan: a life" by Davidson, which paints a slightly less flattering picture of Sagan than what we are used to. Interesting, although nothing will ever change his hero status in my book.

I also appreciate your recommendations on further Ellington albums to look into. Will get back to you on that one, as I dig deeper and deeper into the Ellingtonian back catalogue.


Regarding the women of Mr Dan:

I would argue that we were never given the name of the prototypical Dan chick. All we know about this slickest kitten in the city is that she seems to show signs of bipolar tendencies: sometimes all buzz, sometimes noise-free; pure science with a splash of black cat.

All in all almost gothic, but it's better than that.

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 21:12:34 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, on zhe flickr

Thanks Jim!
That worked like a dream. Now we're all curious about some more lyrics, and eventually the opportunity to listen to it on Youtube if you ever post the audio there... ;)
Thanks again for sharing, it's appreciated!

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 20:35:49 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, reposted

@Jazzassin: Whoops, my bad. I figured linking the photos from my G-mail account would work... Shows how much I know. Well, here are the photos reposted:

Apologies for the terrible quality.

@Diamond Head: I shall get around to transcribing those lyrics too sooner or later... They're early Becker/Fagen-ish. Not fully matured but still light years ahead of basically everyone else.

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 20:15:28 ET
Posted by: diamond head, Proud to be your slave

Thanks for the description Jim.

Any chance you could leak more of the lyrics? Any particularly strange turns of phrase?

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 20:11:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, curious

Jim, are you 100% sure that those url's for the pics are right? They seem to me to belong to a Gmail account, probably yours, and there's no way others can go to such an adress.
I apologize if I'm fantasizing now, but IF I'm right, I suggest you upload the pics to Flickr or similar.
Thanks in advance!

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 19:51:47 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, worst photographer in the world

I entitle these "Crappy pics I took with a camera phone!" Enjoy!

I'm guessing the reason behind the B-side's title being crossed out in pen was because this record was a promo of some sort. Otherwise, I have no idea.

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 19:22:55 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Proud to do your dirty work

Ok, I really had the urge to review the ultra rare Diamond Head single for you guys too. The whole single itself is really extraordinary for such an obscure product. The production definitely rivals that of an Eagles record and this mysterious Diamond Head group had some really good singers and a respectable guitar player. There are splashes of 'state of the art' mid seventies synthesizers as well as orchestra arrangements here but they're very unobtrusive and pleasant. Also, the vocal arrangements on the B-side are awesome!

The A-side, "All for the Love of Music" penned by Brian Potter and Dennis Lambert, (The chap who also wrote the Starship hit, "We Built this City", but we can forgive him for that, right?) is a cute, little ditty featuring a vocalist who sounds a bit like Jim Hodder from Steely Dan. The song's chorus is very commercial sounding but hardly banal. It sounds like a composition typical of the day...

The song on the B-side, on the other hand, should be counted among the world's greatest losses along with "The Second Arrangement" and "Kulee Baba". Simply put, I have never heard a more perfect pop tune with mocking intellectual undertones. "Proud to be your Slave" was described by Donald as a tune with "a Carole King type feel" and these are my sentiments exactly. This song was specially crafted to infiltrate the pop industry and attack it's values while being so lush and infectious. The irresistible hook of the song goes "I'm proud to be your slave, I'll do what ever you want me to do". Doesn't that say something about Becker and Fagen's brilliance? A tender, loving ode to the wonders of sexual bondage. Don and Walt, you are two of the biggest, sleaziest perverts in the world- I love you guys!

Jazzassin, there's a chance I'll put the song up on Youtube sometime. Keep your eyes peeled.

To the person who put his username as "Diamond Head": "Proud to be your Slave" is a wondrous analogy to "Dirty Work" and maybe even better! I've always hated that cheesy sax middle eight in the latter anyway. If only we had a version of "Proud" with Fagen or David Palmer on vox...

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 18:59:40 ET
Posted by: diamond head, Proud to be your slave

Are there lyrics????

If so, could you post them, as well as any description of the song/comparison to other songs?


Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 18:55:03 ET
Posted by: Al Suarez, East Bay San Fran

Greetings all, Looking forward to the new SD tour in 2011. Hope to see some of you out here in N. Calif. I'll be posting as soon as west coast dates start to be announced. Would be nice to hookup with fellow Dandom friends. Kind regards,

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 17:31:11 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, carbon head

Hi, Jim S!

Hell yeah, please do! And if you ever rip the vinyl and put it on Youtube, let us know!

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 17:14:52 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, Proud to be your slave

Howdy everyone, I have a 'lil something to share with you.

Last week, I was nonchalantly browsing a tiny record store downtown and stumbled across an intriguing 45 by an ambiguous collective named Diamond Head. (No, not the generic heavy metal band!) Now, perhaps you know them and their significance to a Dan fan; but truth be told, these guys have nearly faded into a thick veil of obscurity and unless you were in the band itself, you probably have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. So, anyway I held up the small record and gazed at the A side, "All for the Love of Music" it read, with a B. Potter and D. Lambert credited as the authors. I flipped it around, "Proud to be Your Slave" by D. Fagen and W. Becker.

Does anyone have an idea who the schmoes are who wrote the B-side for this single? I think they might be using pseudonyms but I'm not sure. Could they really be Tristan Fabriani and Gus Mahler?! :P

If anyone wants, I could post pics...

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 15:57:38 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, soul monkey

Thanks. That will probably put an end to this nonsense.

Just two more, one that contains a warning to myself and all of my kind, the other giving credit to those who deserve it:

A temptation at Limerick's Mall
for which one should really not fall:
�Rikki don't use cucumber�
The poetry's just getting dumber
And it don't rhyme with Becker at all

Limerick writers with manners
can write this one down in their planners:
Is there gas in the car
Yes, there's gas in the car
is the best poetry for all Danners

Happy now? :D

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 15:36:19 ET
Posted by: Kill it, before it grows

Jazzassin he gave it his best
This trend, though, we hope to arrest
He went on too long
It all went so wrong
These limmericks, they don't pass the test

Date: Sat, February 26, 2011, 10:51:59 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, selling his grandmother for a good rhyme

A limerick writer at Dandom
was making a quick memorandum
'Cause to "Becker", this time,
he found no phallic rhyme
But the rhythm, at least, wasn't random

Another huge fan at the Bluebook
described himself as the one who took
the challenge from Fred
And then, in his head,
found the p-word that Freddie forsook

We all worship Becker and Fagen
And if you don't, you are a pagan
Both content and form
must be right - that's the norm
Like in Cosmos (the show by Carl Sagan)

This limerick 'bout Don and Walter
was inspired by Steely Dan's psalter
But one large jeroboam
made sure that the poem
was forfeited on syntax's altar

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 23:09:13 ET
Posted by: Alan P, Chi

Did Cinci disappear from Ticketmaster??

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 17:28:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour


Now, THAT'S funny!

Well done.

Jazzie, nice one. "beanie" isn't a word you hear every day on this side of the pond. Unless, of course, you are a Beanie and Cecil fan (as I am).

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 16:56:26 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

you must be kidding...

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 13:32:46 ET
Posted by: Fred, R

I'm trying to write an obscene, tangentially Dan limerick. But I can't think of anything phallic that rhymes with Becker.

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 11:01:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, shaken, not stirred

And this goes from Jazz' to The Deanie:

There once was a man named Mick Sweeney
Who's courage was terribly teeny
He drank a stiff gin
Which always is win
And put on his rose colored beanie

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 10:10:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

CJB, funny stuff.

I like McSweeney's. I think the reason I like it is it reminds me of this limerick:

There once was a man named Mick Sweeney
Who spilled some gin on his weenie
Just to be couth he added vermouth
And slipped his girl a martini

Date: Fri, February 25, 2011, 00:52:29 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Scroll down:

Date: Thurs, February 24, 2011, 19:53:05 ET
Posted by: Shark DeVille, in the corner

Donald certainly played the "Gina" solo in real time, but probably not in one single take. He's also using a pitch shifter to bend notes... there really is a lot going on.

love it!

Date: Thurs, February 24, 2011, 11:33:08 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

I was doing a gig in London years ago with the Danny Steel Orchestra and a journalist turned up to review the show.

His first words on arrival, after introducing himself, and I SWEAR this is true, were:

"Which one of you is Danny."

Sheesh!! LOL

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 22:09:40 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I want to join Jazzassin in thanking PGE for the link to the Jon Herington interview. I really liked the stuff they played during that session. Very sweet, IMO. Extremely diverse and exceptionally well made, at least from the tunes I heard.

I definitely will be ordering Shine Shine Shine soon. But tonight's purchase is Dexter Gordon's classic, Go. That's one fine recording.

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 13:43:03 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, breathing

I guess YGK's possible explanation of the synth solo on LWG is better than mine, and I also give my contribution to the general praising of this particular solo. It's absolutely genious.

Regarding Mr. Floyd, here's an attempt from NOJO (Neufeld-Occhipinti Jazz Orchestra) on the whole "Dark Side Of The Moon" album, jazz style!
Quite a good one,too, imho.

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 13:30:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach.

Regarding the Gina synth solo:

I don't know how he did it (I imagine ygk is spot-on) but I've always loved the desperate frenetic vibe it gives and the way it feeds right into the desperation of the lyrics:

I crouch on the carpet
Not breathing just being
Like meat on the bone

Gina belongs in the top level of Dan tunes, IMO. There is a lot going on in this tune.

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 13:21:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Which one's Pink?

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 12:34:37 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

re: LWG Solo - my best guess would be a touch sensitive synth with a nice, biting aftertouch; so when he "leans" in on a note, the sound crosses into different resonant frequency(ies). In effect, you can moderate the initiaal attack of the envelope (like a piano), and then expand the envelope after the initial attack.
Tasty, and nasty all at once.

But I hear it as one man, one solo with a complex sound on that puppy...

That, and the brilliance of Fagen...


Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 11:19:55 ET
Posted by: Abu, Its all Good

SD unfortunately would occasionally fall into the same category for the unknowledgable as at least two other big 70s groups:

Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Steely Dan

"Do you like Pink Floyd?"... "Yeah, he's good".... "Jethro Tull?"... "Steely Dan?".... "Yeah, dude. I like all three of them guys".


Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 08:34:25 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Outstanding performance at Pine Knob.

DF's voice in fine form.

Date: Wed, February 23, 2011, 07:16:33 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, on the rocks

He? They? (It?)
And as if the use of the wrong pronoun when speaking of Steely Dan wasn't enough (we've all heard of "him" from time to time, haven't we?), it's a potential here for further cluttering of terms; I've more than once back in the 70's and 80's heard people mix up Steely Dan with Steeleye Span (english folk-rock band), and even mistake Steeleye Span for Steel-Ice Band. ;)

Like Ann, I sure hope for some european tour dates this year.
(Else I'll have to seriously consider moving overseas to be able to attend more SD shows. Anyone need a lighting guy over there? :D)

Regarding Bill Summers' query about the synth solos on LWG:

I would guess Don is actually playing all of the notes in real-time, tricky as it may be. After all, he IS Donald Fagen, no less.

D MacFadden says "The attack on the keyboard is sharp but rolls into those runs. Anyone know what the set up was?"

Could it be that Don actually used some double tracking on that solo, strenghtening the first attack on each phrasing on the synth with the same notes played on the Wurlitzer? The sharp attacks sounds very el.piano-like to me. Just a wild guess...

Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 18:47:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!


"Here's hoping there are some European dates on the '11 tour....and as Santana is playing Singapore in early March, I don't think SD has any excuses not to head this way too ;)"

He'd be crazy not to! Dontcha think?


Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 18:11:31 ET
Posted by: D MacFadden, The Bay

Bump on Bill Summers' query. Terrific solo and the exact performance of it has always baffled me. The attack on the keyboard is sharp but rolls into those runs. Anyone know what the set up was?

Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 13:04:23 ET
Posted by: Bill Summers, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

Any ideas how DF "cut" the synth solo on "Lunch w/ Gina"?

Pretty tough to play those 16th note triplet "runs" in "real-time".

I'd be very impressed to learn that he did execute both solos in "real-time".

Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 10:08:25 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Continuing the "he" theme......

Back in 06', I arrived in to Washington Dulles 2 days after the shoe bomber had tried to blow up a transatlantic plane. Security was at a max! And I had just flown the most dangerous route in the world at that time (London-DC).... having originated my journey from an Islamic Sultanate in darkest Borneo. The (youngish) immigration office eyed me with an inkling of suspicion (despite the fact I was a middle aged blonde with a distinctly northern English accent) and asked me why I was visiting the US. "To see Steely Dan" I proudly announced!! to which he replied..... "Who's he?".

I think the look of disdain on my face was enough to intimidate him in to letting me in :)

Here's hoping there are some European dates on the '11 tour....and as Santana is playing Singapore in early March, I don't think SD has any excuses not to head this way too ;)



Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 08:48:21 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, shines

Thanks to PGE for the Inside MusiCast show w/Jon H. link.

Very interesting stuff, and they were even playing 5 songs from "Shine Shine Shine".
Sounds like a very diversified album well worth a listen. Not very much like anything Dan to my ears, except maybe "Say You'll Stay", which reminds me a little of something Walter could've done.
A lot of really well played and distinctly produced guitar, of course, and, interesting enough, drums and bass actually recorded on analog tape. The overall sonic result sounds no less than brilliant, imho.

Date: Tues, February 22, 2011, 03:50:22 ET
Posted by: ThoseFreneticLicks, InGreenEarrings

Provincial Reuben - Thackerville and/or die!

Date: Mon, February 21, 2011, 21:57:14 ET
Posted by: STEVE,

Looking forward to the shows this year.

Date: Mon, February 21, 2011, 02:26:40 ET
Posted by: @Chris Front page copyright,

A quick look at the front page archives seem to indicate that it's been that way since the start sith the exeption of 2001-2002 when it read

� 1996-2001 Walter Becker and Donald Fagen

In my far from complete sample of pages I could not find one that says simply "� Steely Dan".

Here's a link to ALL the front pages from 1996-

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 23:13:00 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

How long has the website read "Copyrighted Walter Becker and Donald Fagen" and not "Copyrighted Steely Dan?"

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 15:11:51 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, puttin' together a wing ding...

Hey Ray!

Negatory, good buddy. Like Chumash, they'll probably book a couple of billiards parlors in the neighborhood just before showtime...lots of folks will already be booked for the Winstar though, and--well, you know?

I heard they're finally taping a DVD this time around; that's why they're playing such a small room. Ha!

Just having fun with that last, y'know. But it's a good hour drive from Dallas (where most of our out-of-towners will touch down), and unless we have it in (God forbid) Gainesville, or even Dallas proper, it may work out better to be on-site for the festivities...

So, you gonna wagon out for this deal? It's been four years ago last month, Ray. Let's hang if we can, amigo.


Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 14:58:46 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


I know the Thackerville date has
been announced and is up on
but has it been confirmed that in
fact Thackerville is the opening
date of the tour?

If so where?

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 13:34:26 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, and don't forget Girl Margaret!

Hey Danners,

Thackerville Danfest? Unless it's done on our side of the Red, it looks like the Casino/Hotel is the best bet. Talked to Brandon (ask for casino host) and he thinks their "Red River Grill" would be suitable for 50 or more, on an in-and-out basis (never all of us at the same time for the pre-show, it seems)...

Who's coming to the tour opener? Let me know, I'll be lookin' for ya!


Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 09:40:47 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

Wishing Walter all the best on his birthday, also Gretchen and Craig B!

Re: SD ladies, don't forget...
Little Wild One
Adorable Ghost

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 06:41:21 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, circus monkey

Happy Birthday, Walter!

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011, 04:16:43 ET
Posted by: PGE, in a Becker Birthday Kinda Moood


"Jon Herington returns to Inside MusiCast this Monday! The Steely Dan guitarist and music director is back to chat with Rick and Eddy about his new solo project "Shine (Shine Shine)", along with a little Steely and Dukes Of September chat."

And it is archived so you do not have to tune in Monday (February 21) to catch it!

And talking of Jon Herington appearances he did say to internet station GlowRadio last Sunday that he already have three of the nine songs recorded that will make up his next album. Longer songs and more guitar.

Date: Sun, February 20, 2011,  ET
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, On All Continents

Happy Birthday, Walter Becker!


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Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 15:50:19 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Pete Fogel has another one of
his great stories in the current
Dandom Digest.

Thanks for sharing Pete.

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 15:18:20 ET
Posted by: mikethebaker, the sugar shack in pennsylvania

my personal favorite to add to the list, Madame Erzulie...

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 13:56:53 ET
Posted by: T.O. Danfan, up north

Let's not forget Snake Mary

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 13:33:25 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

A great big Happy 61st Birthday to Walter tomorrow !!!
Here's hoping for some tour dates in the mid-Atlantic area this summer....

Best wishes for many, many more years of wonderful music, Walter (and Donald) !!!!

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 09:21:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

P. B. C.

Obviously I'm with you on this. It would be nice to have the boys some where relatively local again. It was stupidly hot and at the Amphitheater last year...but I'd do it all over again.

I haven't been to the Times Union Center but I hear some good things.

Wouldn't a show at the Florida Theater in J-Ville be a nice treat? (I think they can fit about 1,900 so that isn't likely, but they did play Ruth Eckard Hall which has close to the same capacity.)

There is a new concert hall in Ponte Vedra. It only fits about 1,000 so that's pretty much out of the question. But it is in a very upscale community and they are looking to make a name for the place. Do the boys golf? Maybe they can entice them with some quality time at TPC Sawgrass.

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 07:16:02 ET
Posted by: Mike,


Doooouble helix in the sky to-night!

Date: Sat, February 19, 2011, 04:35:27 ET
Posted by: P.B.C.,

I hope Steely Dan returns to the St. Augustine Amphitheater on their tour this summer. The show two years ago kicked major ass and I'm sure they will sell it out again. However, if they feel it will be too hot and humid to perform there again, which I can understand, they can book a gig at the Times Union Center in downtown Jacksonville. A fine venue (capacity 3000) which would be a perfect setting for a Dan show. Again, I think it would sell-out fast. North Florida beckons you Donald and Walter.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 23:30:14 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, The skyway

@Lurker Ray

Nice find. It has a bit of that 'mystic aura' found on the Aja title cut, don't it? Had no idea this interesting composition existed either.

Now I've got to look into these Dr. Strut fellas. At least buying an accomplished sounding jazz fusion record is better then having to waste good cash on an album by good ole Babs Streisand. (Even if it only was a dollar fifty.)

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 23:28:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I have to retract my offhand insult of the Mile High Jazz Band. A closer inspection of the site reveals they aren't really that if it matters anyway.

My bad.

But they still have a snowball's chance in hell of opening for The Dan, IMO.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 23:23:53 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


It happens more times than I care to remember. The day of the Dan show in St Augustine on their last tour, I stopped by my cigar store and ran into a woman who always rubs me the wrong way. When she heard I was going to the show she remarked, "I love him. I have all of his albums."

More recently a client said pretty much the same thing. It's hard for me to hold back, but I managed. I just laughed like hell as soon as I extricated myself from the situation. I consider that "shuffle diplomacy"

And as far as the Miles High Big Band and the Embassy Brats, I have to agree with Carl. I would bet big bucks it isn't the Miles High Band (no "Big") in the link provided, nor do I think these geezers are opening for the boys:

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 21:04:24 ET
Posted by: R.D, M

Mona made it on 3 tracks, one lead and two supporting roles.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 20:51:57 ET
Posted by: El Suprimo, Hollywood

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 20:30:36 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I tend to agree with Mr Carl

Mr Steele,

Speaking of unreleased Steely
Dan tracks, I have always been
a fan on "Canadian Star" an
instrumental that was left off
of Aja.

It was recorded and released
by "Dr. Strut" in 1979. Any
one else dig this tune? Canadian Star

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 20:02:36 ET
Posted by: Handsome Carl, flying overhead

I believe the "Miles High Big Band" refers to the gentlemen and "Embassy Brats" refers to the beautiful ladies of the touring group.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 20:01:29 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Come on fellas!

It will come back to you!

Looking forward to this tour. It'll be interesting to see what's on the set list. They've done the whole album thing so I don't know what they might do to shake things up this time. Maybe we'll hear something from the solo albums that are in the works.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 19:30:48 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ...yawn...

...and if we also include chicks from solo albums, we have of course a hole bunch of them who are mentioned, but not present, ("Your not my Ruby, your not my Cherie", etc, etc), as she who IS present is actually one of Tomorrows Girls.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 19:21:13 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Here Comes The Rain

Are we really going to forget Josie?

And in this age of a "heightened TSA"
I think many of us here would love
to get screened by Security Joan.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 18:56:21 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, and counting...

Regarding all those girls and their male counterparts:

Steely Dan must be THE band/artist on the planet with the highest number of fictional characters in their lyrics, or what?

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 17:31:31 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

Both of the Babylon Sisters.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:50:58 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, still counting

Janie Runaway
Some Almost Gothic Girl

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:46:03 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, still counting

Greg M,

Pearl Of The Quarter
Rose Darling
Some Nineteen years old girl

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:35:01 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, ever vigilant

"Embassy Brats" is probably just an additional moniker for the band. They always give them some sort of name in tandem with the tour name, so diplomacy and embassy work. The Miles High Band could be the same thing, but may apparently be the opener.

Here is a myspace page for them, if that is in fact the plan:

Seems like an interesting choice -- "southern rock with a northern twist"

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:32:22 ET
Posted by: Greg M, white plains ny

Speaking of "that guy Steely Dan", who are the women in his life?

Off the top of my head, I recall:

...and of course, Marilyn 4.0

anyone I missed? I'm sure.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:31:20 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, The skyway

I'm unsure if you Dan fans know this already but that old, debunked Steely Dan archive website formerly featured lyrics from some of the rarest unreleased Dan songs and it seems like those said lyrics can't be found anywhere else on the web.(Including other Dan databases.) I'm not how the site's owner gleaned this info but the words sound like authentic Becker and Fagen to me.

Shuffling Up Your Downs
Written by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen

Shuffling up your downs
Dealing them out to your friends
Cooking for those clowns
Don't you deserve more than that from them

Just one piece of chalk
Left here to pass round the room
I miss your crazy talk
Songs that were sung out of tune to me

You sacrificed all you had won in the ring
You kept your keys in
You say you're out on the run
I can think of another good reason

Like some vicious knight
Gleaming it on to the teeth
From my dreamful sight
I see you charge from beneath at me

You sacrificed all you had won in the ring
You kept your keys in
You say you're out on the run
I can think of another good reason

Magic circle's gone
Your venom is spilled on the ground
No one to turn on
You're left here with me shuffling up your downs

The lyrics to four more rare songs ('Number One', 'Tell it to the Fat man', 'Be tender' and 'Burnin and Freezin') can be found in this link below.

Oh and speaking of Sade, her (their?) first album is like the Abbey Road of adult contemporary music. It's very slick but also highly melodic and has plenty of emotional resonance and the musicians are no slouches either. Beats the absolute crud out of the modern AOR music they play in my gym a hundred fold! Diamond Life also has a pleasent production that reminds me of Gaucho. (Hey, that's a complement, btw, I like Gaucho!)

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:30:20 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, 8th ave & W33rd


Newsletter #46 has arrived prompting a slew of goosebumps!

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 16:14:13 ET
Posted by: 1st, Q

Who are the embassy brats?

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 15:59:51 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Thanks for the gumshoe work kz & CF

Always appreciated.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 15:50:27 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, paperback reader

He? They?
Many years ago I read an american cult novel by Burroughs, not the Burroughs behind Tarzan the Apeman, but another Burroughs, though it could have been, in a way, because this novel had something to do with having lunch with no clothes on, at least the title indicated something like that, but anyway, in that particular novel there was some chapters containing some rather explicit descriptions, and Steely Dan was in it and everything, and I'm pretty sure Steely Dan is a "it".
So there.

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 15:40:27 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Monitoring the interwebs for all things Dan

The tour page for 2011 is up. So far lists the Tanglewood and Winstar shows ....

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 15:11:25 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, Are they here yet?

I was near the Beacon earlier today and stopped in to check for any info. Dude behind the glass said nothing is confirmed but he heard in passing from mgmt that there would be 6-8-?# of shows. Guess the I's were waiting to be dotted and t's to be crossed. He pretty much guaranteed 6 nights with additional shows tbd. Funny, 2 years ago when I bought tickets for the album/request shows, the same dude behind the glass stated that "he" is a big draw here and tickets are flying out. Today, said dude correctly referred to Steely Dan as "they".

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 09:55:44 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Dean: how many times have you heard from the uninformed, "that guy Steely Dan"?

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 09:54:03 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Dean: "too much LDS" is a quote from good old Bill Shatner in one of the Star Trek movies...

...I'm an East Coast boy...


Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 03:38:50 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Always like you dropping by.
But earlier this year you said
"July to November" & tonight you
said, "Correction Sept Not July"
and 2012 for the Dukes. Do you mean
that the Steely Dan 2011 Tour will
now be July through September 2011?

8 shows at the Beacon, isn't that
just like 2009 or were there more
in 2009? Didn't someone earlier
promise 10 shows at the Beacon?
It will be interesting to see what
actually pans out and if larger markets
like LA, Chicago & Boston will get
multiple shows like in 2009.

Nobody was "calling anyone out"
about Sade. Just a friendly question.
During long and tedious shoots we often
sing "He's a boom operator" to the sound
man. Followed by, "Yes, I'm being followed
by a boomshadow boomshadow, boomshadow....."

Date: Fri, February 18, 2011, 02:52:54 ET
Posted by: moray eel, waiting

The Gold Coast of Chicago...


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 21:23:50 ET
Posted by: Fred, G

The song was geographically challenged with the line "Coast to coast, LA to Chicago"

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 21:11:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Speaking of Sade, a friend of mine way back when contended "Smooth Operator" was a covert ad campaign by AT&T.


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 20:52:05 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

ygk, "too much LDS in Grade School."

Did you grow up in Utah?


And yes, Sade is a band. Even if it wasn't there is no need to call someone out for referring to them, or her, as "they". I don't think she (Sada Adu) ever performs solo. Think "Santana". Carlos Santana is "he" Santana is "they"

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 18:50:27 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Manama

Some corrections....
Sept not July
2012 for the Dukes

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 17:00:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, clapping hands now


Yes, it's absolutely amazing! And so is the fact that when I now got trigged to really try to figure this out, I just started to accept and almost like the handclaps, as well. Nice side effect!

But man, never concider me an expert on anything chord related, 'cause I'm NOT! I have good ears/pitch and some 30+ years of playing experience, but NO formal musical education. So my suggestions will often be veeery simplified compared to the original charts.

I guess there's people here laughing their guts out at us both trying to analyze these songs without the neccessary theoretical tools...

But hey, it's fun trying!

Oh, and btw, the horns on 2VN are pure evil. Damn that Don and that Mike Leonhart. Love it, though. ;)

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 16:47:31 ET
Posted by: Charlie Mayne, I'm all grown up

8 nights at the Beacon in July. More info soon.

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 16:39:26 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

So, Jazzassassin, I WAS mistaken...whoops... too much LDS in Grade School.

So I guess if we're calling Ab tonic, the change is a minor 6th (Ab to e-minor). A spicy key to write in, and a wonderfully bizarre harmonic progression...

Abu - missed that particular discussion...I duck in and out 'round here...



Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 16:34:05 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Oops...

The "A with the added 9" should be "Am with an added 9", of course.
My bad.
However: What really goes on here is more than I can give any good description of in terms of chord names.

But try to play along using the chords I've suggested, and I think you'll find it's not that far out, though.

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 16:10:55 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, fumbling with the blues

I've looked at 2VN, and I think the main chords are Ab and Em, then at the instrumental/guitar solo part it's moving via a strange voicing of A w/ an added 9 and some more subtle stuff to Dm. Then back to the Ab and Em.
There is hardly any instrument playing any full chords here, so the deal is what emerges out of the sum of all instruments. Which, of course, makes it hard to describe it as single chords.
This is quite common for many SD songs from Aja to EMG, and for much jazz music in general.

And even if the chords were played more straight forward, the progression of chords for this particular song is, as you say very odd from a theoretical and traditional point of view!

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 15:45:00 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Hey Lurker Ray, this would make a good Jeopardy question, but while Sade's the name, voice, and beautiful face of the group, it is technically a band.

Seeing Cincy on TicketBastard made my day!

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 15:06:14 ET
Posted by: Abu, More or Lesser

Hey, ygk, where were you when I was talking about "Tomorrow's Girls"? What I mean is, you sound like you know music well, as far as the terminology and stuff. I don't know if my post is still there, I think it was last month. I was attempting to describe the bridge in that tune, and how I was so impressed with DF's building of the structure.

On a sad note, I see that Uncle Leo just died. Wasn't he related to Cousin Dupree? We'll miss him.


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 15:01:03 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, "Comeback Kid" Charlemagne Baby (just kidding...)

I too think it's Walter playing both solos on "Come Back Baby".

But on the alternative version of "I Got The News", I'm not so sure that it's Denny Dias... It could be him, but I have a feeling that one is Walter, too. Hard to tell, I think, but that's my guess.

Then again, I believe Dias could play (more or less) exactly like Walter if he wanted to, and the playing on IGTN (alt. version) has a little of both of them (to my ears).

On the final version, it's Walter & Larry Carlton soloing with Dean Parks on rhythm guitar, which also maybe indicates that it's Walter on the alternative version?

That's an interesting thing to investigate. However, to be able to have an opinion on that matter, I must give 2VN a closer listen with a guitar in my lap.
The only thing I can say about 2VN at the moment, is that the ridiculous handclaps is about the only element in any SD song that I don't like very much, I must confess.

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 14:36:19 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Did anyone analyze the general chord structure to 2vN?

I could be wrong, but (I haveN'T! seen your face before), as I recall, it's a d-(minor) vamp which goes to the tri-tone(!) (Ab) on what commonly is the IV of the verse in a typical blues.
And there is no V (dominant) anywhere!!!

Two (harmonically dissonant chords) Against Nature indeed!

Of course, Leonhart's horn arrangements are priceless, but if I'm not mistaken, the modulation goes to the tri-tone of the root, d-(minor).

Any verifications from the local crew?


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 12:30:33 ET
Posted by: Abu, I Got the News, but likely it is old news

I'm thinking these demos/outtakes "leaks" started many moons ago, long before youtube. There has been much talk about how or who leaked them. But by now, they have all been copied and re-copied, and even enhanced with more modern technology and they are all over the place. Basically now youtube has become the world's biggest IPOD. These demos and such have no copyright issues for youtube, so they easily make their way on there.

Speaking of outtakes, etc. I believe the guitar solo on the alternate take of "I Got the News" is by the same soloist as YGT(1). Very similar note "pattern". I'm thinking Dias also. What do you guys think?

Always liked the two "duets" (WB and DF harmonizing vocally) from the SD early years: "I Can't Function" and "Come Back Baby". I'm thinking it is WB doing the guitar solo on the latter. Any opinions?


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 12:14:09 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in doubt

thanks for that clarification!

What I'm wondering about is, how come that these soundchecks/outtakes/demos that's all over Youtube actually makes it to Youtube?
I mean, how many unauthorized people is actually present at such events as a soundcheck or in a studio recording situation?
Or, if the leaks are actually being distributed by trusted personnel, isn't that something that could be described as breach of confidence?

Of course I too am curious about everything Dan, and I'm watching every video and listening to every track I can find on the internet, but on the other hand, I would guess that Walt & Don are not that happy with their unfinished or casual stuff being made accessible to the world.

Sometimes I wish that all we ever got to listen to was the official releases and nothing else (out of pure loyalty), but hey, that's just me...

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 11:46:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc,

I think "I idolize you" was recorded at a sound check during the 2006 DF solo tour....I remember reading that on the blue a long time ago...

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 11:27:27 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, having buffalo wings w/ celery & bluecheese dip. Aaah!

You could very well be right in your theory that Idolize was done by Don, not Dan. I have the same feeling.

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 10:52:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding I Idolize You.

Of course it is an Ike Turner song, covered by Don (or SD).

Based on nothing more than my ears, I'm thinking it is a Fagen and not SD recording.

Could it be Krantz on guitar?

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 10:20:17 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Got a feeling I've been here before

I have no evidence of this, but personally I would bet it's Dias soloing on YGT I. The choice of notes to play, the timing and everything about it sounds Dias'ing to me.
If anyone here has other opinions, or can come up with some documentation on this subject, it would be nice though, because I don't know this, I'm just guessing, really.
But I always got the impression that while Skunk is basically a rock'n roll and country player, Dias is more of a jazz guy.
That said, they are of course both extremely skilled musicians that can easily switch between genres and styles whenever they feel like it.
But I still believe it's Dias on YGT I.

I Idolize You?
Hm. I've been wondering a bit about that one myself. My two cents is it's done between -93 and -03. There's several reasons for that.
One thing is the instrumental bridge. That is something that SD has added to the original Ike & Tina song, and the whole feeling of that part reminds me very much of other things we can hear on 2VN, and, to a certain degree, also EMG.
Another thing is that Don plays around with the lyrics, and actually puts in words like "If I could comfort you baby, off the internet", where the original lyrics says "If I could comfort you baby, and make you my pet". And then follows "See you in the chat room baby".... Internet and chat rooms was never a part of reality when Ike wrote the song, and those tweaks proves the SD demo must be from, say, -93 or later, roughly.
But someone has to know more about this? C'mon, tell us, please!

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 09:18:12 ET
Posted by: Abu, Idolizing

Just heard "I Idolize You" by SD. Anyone know anything about it? Heard it on YouTube. Here is the link:

Very nice guitar solo. At first I thought it was Becker, but later in the solo it did not sound like anything Walter has done before. I'm thinking possibly Dias or Skunk, but not sure how old the recording is. Perhaps this has been discussed before, but remember, I'm fairly new to this here site.

Also, no one seemed to answer my inquiry concerning YGT(1). Dias, or Skunk on guitar?


Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 01:29:51 ET
Posted by: tour plotter, tp

Live Nation also showing the Cincinnati date. on sale:Fri, 03/18/11
10:00 AM

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 00:21:37 ET
Posted by: suedave, connect the dots

Not sure how long it'll be up, but I have seen this with my own eyes...

Ticketmaster is listing PNC Pavilion in Cincinnati for July 19th

Of course, Tanglewood July 26

Date: Thurs, February 17, 2011, 00:17:40 ET
Posted by: mikethebaker, the sugar shack in pennsylvania

just caught the jon herington band at The Note in West Chester, PA. they played Chain Lightning and Black Friday. As far as his solo work, most of his songs had some pretty brilliant lyrics. A lot of great humor. The band was tight, and it was nice to be able to hear jon's guitar clearly. Turnout was fair, and the people who obviously weren't there to see him actually got into the groove as well. Jon mentioned that it was nice to have some time off before he went back on the road. He will be touring with Peyroux through mid May, then......? Anyway jon's solo stuff is definitely worth checking out.

Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 18:51:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Thanks for the Dukes/PBS tidbit.
I'm confused though. If there
is infact a Spring/Early Summer
Dukes date at the Beacon,

"We're taping a live show for PBS, and that's going to kick off a wider tour."

How can it "kick off a wider(Dukes)tour."?
Steely Dan is already confirmed
to tour this summer & Boz & Mike
are already confirmed to be touring
together this summer?

Here's to hoping PBS films this
special before all of there funding
is taken away!!

Ben in Indy,

"I saw Sade in '01 and I highly recommend seeing them"

You must mean "her".

And yes I also highly recommend
seeing "her" ;O)
She doesn't tour all that often any more.

Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 15:49:49 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

from today's Houston Press: it might explain that Beacon date that was mentioned for March or April....

C: Any more dates for the Dukes?

BS: We're taping a live show for PBS, and that's going to kick off a wider tour. The high point was being onstage with each other. We got to be sidemen! As far as choosing material, we must have exchanged hundreds of e-mails.

The biggest surprise I got is that we were looking at material from the Philadelphia Sound era, and we settled on "Love Train." I thought it would be a good song for Michael, but he and Donald pointed at me and said, "No, you're gonna sing it" (laughs). It was nice to be challenged.

Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 15:27:27 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

I saw Sade in '01 and I highly recommend seeing them. One link between them and SD would be a bit of melodica in a couple tunes. While my fingers are crossed for our favorite band to announce a few shows here in the Midwestern World, I'm planning on catching some great concerts this summer including: Sade with John Legend, Gregg Allman opening for Steve Miller, Brett Dennen, RTF4 w/Ponty, and reggae legend/former Black Uhuru lead Michael Rose.

Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 14:08:57 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, home at last

"Is there anything dangential about Sade?"

Not as far as I know, other than that they both are often labeled as "Smooth Jazz", and have quite a few fans in common?

Bobbo, you're welcome.

Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 13:28:09 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, just back from the Great White North

Hey Jazzassin,

Thanks for that show link, I enjoyed it immensely.


Date: Wed, February 16, 2011, 10:06:07 ET
Posted by: Is there anything, Dangential about


Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 20:17:33 ET
Posted by: Abu, Everything about (it) is different

Anyone else give a listen to Carolyn Leonhart's cover of "Big Noise New York"? I have my opinion about it, but was wondering what anyone else thought. Her and her sax-playing hubby (Wayne Escoffery) released this just about a year ago.


Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 19:23:37 ET
Posted by: How Did I, Miss This?

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 12:48:11 ET
Posted by: Abu, Inside the piano in the Pagoda

Thanks "SS" from "HK" for the link to Pagoda played on acoustic piano played by David from the UK. He made a wise choice to use that instead of the Rhodes. I can picture DF laboring over the keyboard on this. Without a doubt, he must be proud of the jazz chord structure, and the final result on Morph is pure perfection. Thank you so much, Donald. We love you!


Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 12:13:50 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

I note that Larry Carlton and a Japanese guitarist, Tak Matsumoto, won a Grammy this year for their album "Take Your Pick." They won Best Pop Instrumental Album. I confess I'd not heard of it before seeing this article, although apparently it had a lot of success in Japan.

There is also a link in it to an interview with Carlton that makes brief mention of his work with SD.

Did not see a prior reference to this, but as always apologize if this is old news.

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 11:45:22 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ghost in translation


In my last post I assumed that the answer to Jim Steele from "16 years old???" was written by Hoops, but now I see it was probably not. I got fooled by the line "Best wishes Jim", read by me as "Best wishes. Jim."
My bad.
Anyway, I agree to the content of the post.

Sorry Jim.
Welcome Jim.

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 11:44:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

A quick note of congrats to Esparanza Spalding and here new artist Grammy over Autotune and Justin Bieber. A cadre of voting engineers and produces finally strike back at the pre-fab crap record companies have shoved down the throats of consumers for 40 year. The end of such corporations as we know it is well deserved.

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 11:32:49 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in orbit


Ellington also did a "Serenade to Sweden" album in -62 with swedish jazz singer Alice Babs. This collaboration continued on the "Second Sacred Concert" from -71. (There is also a "Concert of Sacred Music" from -66 with other singers & choirs)

And if one likes Duke's works on the classical stuff, try his and Billy "Sweet Pea" Strayhorn's attempt on Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite" from 1960.

The "Far East Suite" that you mentioned earlier is one of my favs, too.

And speaking of Ellington favorites, I can't easily bypass Mahalia Jackson singing "Come Sunday" from "Black, Brown and Beige" (1958), a musical prayer of undescriptive beauty and melancholy.

And then there's the zillion pure jazz records by the Duke of which I could talk forever, I'm afraid, but not pick one in particular.

Your fantasy of the impossible Becker/Fagen/Ellington/Strayhorn collaboration tastes sweet, but then again, not all collaborations between extremely creative minds turns out sucsessful, as you know. In this case, unfortunately we'll never know :(

Jim Steele,
Nice list. I guess we all would like to hear a couple of those properly recorded, but I must agree with Hoops (Jim, our host her at the Bluebook), that it will probably never happen.
Wish you luck with your bold musical projects in the future! Way to go!

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 08:52:16 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


Thanks a bunch for the Ellington recommendation; will be sure to check it out! (Stockholm here, by the way.)

Jim Steele:

I would give almost anything to hear proper studio recordings of The Second Arrangement and Kulee Baba, for starters. Another lost track I would like to hear is the cover of Joni Mitchell's Carey.

Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 04:27:18 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Abu, I've posted this before but it was some time ago and now it is in context.

This is a piano-only version of Great Pagoda. There is no chart for it - it's just what this guy is hearing, and it's really close. I think you can really hear what the song is about when it is stripped down this far.


Date: Tues, February 15, 2011, 04:27:09 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Abu, I've posted this before but it was some time ago and now it is in context.

This is a piano-only version of Great Pagoda. There is no chart for it - it's just what this guy is hearing, and it's really close. I think you can really hear what the song is about when it is stripped down this far.


Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 22:25:47 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, l.a.

To 16 years old????, (or whatever your username is)

Hey, thanks for answering my inquiry! And, actually my screen name has nothing to do with Steely Dan; it's Holden Caulfield's favorite pseudonym! Is that demo of Runnin Child you mentioned on a bootleg? Also, I'm kind of wishing to know why none of the band's venues with David Palmer were ever recorded. I find it very odd that people only started bootlegging them in 1974.(Especially since I read somewhere that Walt and Don themselves, liked to make soundboard recordings of their early gigs.)

Also, addressing your question about my age, I do concur it's a bit "unique" (read: pretty freaking strange) to be into the Danners at my age but I really feel that good taste has skipped a generation; namely mine. Steely Dan, in my subjective opinion, is the ultimate band for intellectuals of all ages. A couple years back, the enigmatic "Do It Again" came on some classic rock radio station. I had never heard anything like Fagen's ominous organ passages combined with the spooky lyrics before�or after�done again in music, and that more or less enamored me to discover the band and buy their whole catalog over the next few years, faithfully beginning with Can't Buy A Thrill and working up to their great-but-not-improbably-excellent reunion albums.

It's also encouraged me to pursue a potential second "side" career as a jazz pianist and lyricist to continue my man Don's legacy and bring some of Steely Dan's and the Seventies' ideals and fundamentals back into the realm of commercial pop/rock music which has long since disintegrated. I'm hoping to, one day, form a band with a bunch of other people who prefer musical virtuosity and interesting arrangements over Hip-hop.

And that returns to why I asked my question of any of that rare material being released. After I buy a more complete set of their early demos, it'll be the end of the line for further adventures from the Dan as far as I know. Steely Dan really brought me some fine memories.

And to conclude my long and disorganized rant, I'd like to wish everyone on this site the very best.

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 19:43:57 ET
Posted by: Abu, Peering into the Great Pagoda

Here are Jon Herington's comments concerning DF's masterpiece, "The Great Pagoda of Funn", in regard to the arrangement being Fagen's tribute to jazz harmony, or words to that effect:

"I remember re-discovering just how much that seemed to be true for me about that song in some lesson I was giving. It just seemed to me that the chord voicings DF chose in that tune (and it's a very long form, so there are a lot of them!) could be an (almost) comprehensive study of classic jazz guitar chord voicings. It also happens to be an unusually beautiful and compelling progression of chords, and with great melody and lyrics a la DF we get a pretty amazing song as a result. I was thinking of the keyboard part's chords, really, not the smaller chords Wayne and I were playing - I think when I was teaching the song to a student we ended up finding the basic chords and realizing they were a lot of the great classic jazz voicings."

I went back and gave it another closer listen, this time focusing on the guitar parts, and the piano's role. Previously I always had focused on the horn arrangement. It sounds like there are two backup guitar parts. One channel seems to have some chords, while the other seems more rhythmic, although at times both are playing chords. I recall even after my first listen back in '06 that this tune was very jazz-oriented. Seems I was right. One of DF's most poignant tunes, lyrically as well. As far as the fantastic horn chart (trumpet, trombone, alto, tenor & baritone sax), it seems DF learned much from the masters like Duke Ellington and others. The piano, however, is the foundation of the tune, as DF likely composes from the keyboard. Then he figures out the other instrumentation later on. He even adds vibes, too, to round out the total jazz "experience". I hear the piano playing somewhat, however it is more difficult to hear on my stereo. Perhaps someone with a more sophisticated sound system can hear the piano better. The keyboard definitely has a supporting role for 'Pagoda', but it is only holding up the entire tune, that's all (lol).


Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 17:52:09 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway

Esperanza! :D Me like!

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 15:46:10 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Strange indeed.

Though I would definitely check
out Esperanza Spalding & Arcade
Fire's great winning album.

Good stuff indeed.

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 13:28:29 ET
Posted by: JR, NY

Darren DeVivo, DJ on WFUV just gave Jon Herington a VERY NICE plug on his show, talking about his work with Steely Dan, Donald Fagen and the Dukes, etc. and his new CD, just before playing Jon's song "Valentine's Day". Yay Jon!!

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 11:43:34 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in the hall of the Mountain King

@ Fagenism / Danheads & The Duke

To pick a favorite Ellington recording isn't easy. The Duke's complete recordings is a huge catalogue, and the possible favorite candidates are numberless.

But as a norwegian fan, I'd like to peek your attention to the 1961 album
"Duke Ellington and his orchestra play interpretations of
Grieg: Peer Gynt Suites Nos. 1 & 2 (Side 1)
Ellington/Strayhorn: Suite Thursday (Side 2)"

Ellington was never afraid to admit that one of his ambitions were to break down the fences between jazz and classical music, and his arrangements of Edvard Grieg's "Peer Gynt Suite" shows that he had no problem doing that.

For the record:
Ed Grieg (1843-1907) was Norway's most famous composer, and the "Peer Gynt Suite" was composed as incidential music for the stage play "Peer Gynt" by Henrik Ibsen, Norways most famous playwriter. The play premiered at Christiana Theater in 1876.
Allthough Grieg had his musical education in Germany, his compositions were always strongly influenced by norwegian folk music.
Ellingtons version of the Peer Gynt Suite is very original, and he makes it sound like the music was always meant for a jazz big band.

Favorite non-Ellington works in jazz? Hmmm.... that's even harder.
An alternative could very well be Miles Davis "Kind of Blue". The perfect introduction to Miles and jazz in general, and an album that you never get finished listening to. The ultimate jazz record, maybe.

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 09:30:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, listening to Breithaupt the Nightfly

Don Breithaupt's "Jazz Background Story on Steely Dan" was, as you know, broadcasted on Canadian JazzFM 91 at January 30 2011, 4:00 PM EST.

For those of you who for some reason couldn't listen to the program, or want to hear it again, I recorded the stream from the JazzFM 91 web-radio.
I have edited it a bit to get rid of the ads. However, there's a minor flaw at 11:42 because I had to splice two files, as there were a dicontinuation in the datastream at that time. So maybe a second or so of SD's YGT II is missing. Sorry for that... Not much to do about it, but I guess most Bluebookers already have that one.

The file containing the program (JBSSD.mp3) can be downloaded here:

1. Choose the "Free User/Slow Download" option.
2."Respect the 47 second delay we uuuse" (this is, in this case, the countdown to ecstacy... ;)).
3. When the counter has finished, immediately hit the "Download Now" button, and download the file to your computer.
4. Listen & enjoy!

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 07:19:48 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Lurker Ray - Who are these strange people you speak of?

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 02:43:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

And furthermore,
I hardly consider tonight's Grammy
winner for Best Album, Arcade Fire
as "safe". Nor would I consider
the amazing Esperanza Spalding's
win for Best New Artist "safe".
Especially as the Justin Bieber
fans attack her Wiki page.

Is it just me or doesn't the lead
singer from Arcade Fire look like
the guy in Boardwalk Empire?!?

Like I said, sometimes the Grammy's
get it right and surprise.

Nice list 16 Candles!

Always wanted to hear "Bus Driver
is a Fruitcake" before I compost.

Date: Mon, February 14, 2011, 01:05:39 ET
Posted by: 16 years old????,

Well Jim Steele, if that really is your name, I think you will go very far in your life if at 16 years old you are already this focused and organized. The only give-away that you might be 16 is that you ask whether any of these tracks may be released. My opinion (at 50 years old) is that there is no chance Steely Dan will ever release final recordings of any of these tunes.

There is a Fagen/Becker demo of Runnin Child floating around that's pretty fun to hear, and Were you Blind that Day was recently recorded by Luciana Souza (not very good), but other that those I think that list is dead.

How can you know so much about these guys when you're still in high school? Very impressed. Best wishes Jim.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 23:16:32 ET
Posted by: Ms ,

I doubt it. They wouldn't go back unless it was a good deal. Dukes are not the same act & people as Steely Dan.

Thackerville & other shows are just shows away from big cities while they iron things out in the beginning. They do this every tour--play off beat venues at the beginning--since the small towns will receive them well and the big town critics are nowhere to be found.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 23:10:02 ET
Posted by: Mr, 2

I wonder if perhaps the Thackerville date is a pay back for the poorly attended Dukes show in December.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 22:04:05 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, l.a.

Hey all, somewhat naive sixteen year old steely fan here. I'm not really inclined in legal knowledge and the like, so I have a question for the real diehard steelers out there.

Firstly, I'd like to say that I'm really baffled why literally forty or so quality Steely Dan songs are kept in the vaults when releasing them would be such a worthy enterprise. I'm assuming it's because Fagen and Becker are super critical of everything they conceive; that's the only reason I could think of.

So, my question is: What is the likelihood of any of the following tracks seeing a release ever? These come from a widely ranging plethora of Dan sessions.(1968-2000, I think)

*Takes a deep breath*

Unreleased Tracks from the Pre-Dan years (1968-1971)

Bus Driver is a Fruitcake
Taking a Dip With Dinah
Footprints on the Moon
One ticket to L.A.
Shuffling Up Your Downs
Burn Baby Burn
Be Tender
Anyway You Want It
Mr. Lyle
Number One
Tell it to the Fat man
Stand by the Seawall
Who Got the Credit?
Burnin and Freezin

Becker and Fagen Freelance songwriter years (1971-72)

(Note: These were all written for and recorded by other artists but I'm curious if the Dan duo ever recorded them.)

I Mean to Shine (Barbra Streisand)
Proud to be your Slave (Diamond Head)
Canyon Ladies (Navasota)
Giles of the River (John Kay)
Runnin Child (Christoffer Kearney)
Tell me a Lie (The Grass Roots)
Jones (Thomas Jefferson Kaye)
American Lovers (Thomas Jefferson Kaye)
Turn My Friend Away (Linda Hoover)

Tracks written specifically for David Palmer's vox during their first tour (1972-73)

Megashine City
Take my Money
Hellbound Train

Katy Lied sessions

Gullywater (Different song from the Funky Driver instrumental)
Funky Driver
Mr. Sam
I got the News (Different song from the one featured on Aja)

Aja sessions

Were you Blind that Day
Stand by the Seawall
Shanghai Breakdown

Gaucho Sessions

The Bear
The Second Arrangement
Kind Spirit
Kulee Baba
Talkin about my Home
I Can't Write Home About You
Heartbreak Souvenir

Songs from Steely Dan's later tours

Cash Only Island
Wet Side Story
The Steely Dan Show

That's about everything crammed in the vaults. This has really been chewing at me for awhile so any info would be happily welcomed. I really hope this question has not been asked to ad nauseam and if so, please forgive this first time poster for his brash rudeness.

Thanks guys!

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 21:17:45 ET
Posted by: Bob,

George in Paris. Good to hear your perspective from over there. The Oklahoma date & the like could be one of the opening warm up shows like the Florida dates a couple of years ago or the California Wine Country & County Fair dates that have opened previous years' tours.

We'll probably have a fuller picture in the coming days.

Bon soir......

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 16:32:40 ET
Posted by: steely drummers,

Greg, I agree that Steve Jordan would be very interesting with Steely Dan. Also Steve Ferrone would be great. And to round up the Steves, why not Steve Gadd, who is as fabulous as ever.

Erskine is a brilliant small group drummer in my opinion, and did not/would not get the room to explore by playing with Steely Dan. He wouldn't be my first choice.

But to really shake things up, I think getting Jojo Mayer or Yuval Gabay and an upright bass player like Chris Wood would really add a sweet twist to the songs.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 15:53:34 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

The Winstar Casino, Thackerville, Oklahoma on July 13.

Thanks for that info. The Dukes of September played there. I don't get it, though - the "auditorium" is basically a large ballroom. Small, yes, which is nice. But acoustically, not so much. There are so many better places in the Dallas area that they could fill.

There's really only one thing to say, though: See you in Oklahoma in July!

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 15:39:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Having seen Radiohead numerous
times lives it can easily be
said that they are one hell of
a unit live. But not so consistent
for their recorded endeavors.

Steely Dan on the other hand
are much stronger in the studio
with an amazing track record.
How difficult that must have been to
match that �track record� after a 20
year hiatus! I would hardly call 2VN
a "safe" record. That's ludicrous.
The lyrics alone make it far from a
�casual� listen.

I couldn't tell you the last time
I had Kid A on in the car or on
the veranda. 2VN I was just spinning
Friday night.

The Grammy�s got it right for once that year.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 13:31:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

TvN's Grammy success is part of a larger trend of the recording academy voting for "safe" records featuring musicians past their prime. It's a shame because it's a fantastic record that was definitely worthy of recognition, but the narrative of the stuffy old recording academy voting for a band they remember from their college days instead of a newer artist actually in his artistic prime is too easy to pass up.

I think Kid A was actually worthier for Album of the Year, if only because its impact on pop music and its bold artistic statement as an album outweigh both TvN's impact and scope. That's not to say Kid A is a better record than TvN -- comparing Radiohead to Steely Dan is only possible in the broadest of strokes -- but when rock historians discuss the cultural zeitgeist of the year 2000, Kid A is guaranteed a prime spot at that table, and TvN won't be mentioned apart from the context of the "controversial" award.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 13:14:19 ET
Posted by: Bob,

Thanks to everyone for their friendship!

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 13:07 ET
Posted by: Grammy Thoughts,

As Walter put it in 2001, it was sweet for SD and its fans to get acknowledged with the FOUR Grammys in 2001. Yet it also gets annoying that every time some critics write about Eminem and Grammys, they have to imply something negative about Steely Dan.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 12:14 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Looks like Boz and McMike will be touring together this summer......

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 11:39 ET
Posted by: Grammy-time, John Beasley nominated

Quote John's Facebook:

"Watch GRAMMY LIVE webcast 4 afternoon awards 1pm Sun:jazz since they won't be broadcast.
Tks xx fingers"


Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 10:37 ET
Posted by: coment, -

no worries, fagenism. maybe some will remember that jon herington's name was misspelled with an extra r and some other letters for the first batch of 2vn cds. to paraphrase their explanation, becker (or fagen or both): "jon shouldn't worry--now that he works for us, he can now well afford an extra consonant here and there."

funny stuff, as always.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 05:13 ET
Posted by: Touring news:, Shuffle Diplomacy in Oklahoma

The Winstar Casino, Thackerville, Oklahoma on July 13.
Tickets go on sale Friday May 13 at 10 a.m. CST.

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 04:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Chumash & Tanglewood have nothing
in common.

Chumash was a "winter" show, part
of two dates added to a benefit show
on the west coast. Tanglewood is
part of a lengthy summer tour this year.
Do you mean Soboba? But that still does
not make any sense. Because there were
many shows already announced in 2006.
In fact the entire tour schedule was leaked
early. But speculation was that Soboba &
San Diego would be "must see" shows that
year because they would be two sets and
without Michael McDonald opening.

Hope things are calming down for you hoops.
All the best

Date: Sun, February 13, 2011, 02:58 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


Pardon my misspelling of Herington. Can't believe I awlays manage to get that one wrong.

I'm about 90% Herington's comment about Pagoda came from a video interview made in connection with the Fagen solo tour. Sorry I can't give you a more exact answer than that!

Date: Sat, February 12, 2011, 21:05 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

The BlueBook has been down since Wed (9 Feb). Due to a family emergency, I've not been able to deal with the issue until now.

Fortunately all new posts received since Wed -- except one addressing Abu's concern about the status of the BlueBook which this post addresses -- now appear. Please email me privately at hoops (AT) dandom (DOT) com if you have further concerns.

For the record, there is no "new" or "old" BlueBook. It's the same script and guestbook as requested by the majority in use ever since June 22, 2001.

Working on a few different possibilities--with known regulars able to bypass approvals and even being able to approve for others. I will keep you posted. Sorry that family concerns are making it difficult for me to proceed at a faster clip.

Best wishes and many thanks--especially for your continued patience.


Date: Sat, February 12, 2011, 18:50 ET
Posted by: Happy Birthday..., Michael McDonald who's 59 today!

Date: Sat, February 12, 2011, 12:00 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Jerez

give it a week or so

Date: Fri, February 11, 2011, 22:57 ET
Posted by: Abu, Not having Funn trying to find a quote

believe Jon Herrington once referred to this piece as Fagen's great tribute to jazz harmony, or something along those lines.)"

Was this from an interview on camera, or documented somewhere? It sounds like a very interesting thought. I've been trying to Google it but so far I can't find it.

As far as Pagoda is concerned, I have earlier noted the poignancy of it. A 2009 article somehow helped me sort out my previously unspoken thoughts. (In case some did not see that article, here is the link for it -- ) But I have always been drawn to the horn arrangement. My first thought was that it reminded me of Deacon Blues. But after further listening I realized that greater sophistication and harmonies were evident. My feeling, after several listens, was that this was Fagen's GREATEST horn chart. I would therefore, with keen interest, really like to hear what Jon Herington, a man who possesses much more musical knowledge and insight, had to say about it.


Date: Fri, February 11, 2011, 20:29 ET
Posted by: Abu, Buenas Dias?

Is the consensus that Denny Dias does the solo guitar in YGT? It seems to be a given that he does the great guitar work on YGT-2.


Date: Fri, February 11, 2011, 20:29 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


So. It was not until relatively recently that I decided the time had come to dive a bit deeper into the works of Duke Ellington, what with the constant comparisons being made between him and Becker/Fagen.

I always appreciated fusion/smooth jazz/whatever-the-heck-they-call-it like Weather Report and The Yellowjackets, but was always skeptical of pure jazz. "It lacks the structure, the hooks and the feel of The Dan", my inner skeptic would tell me. And so I stayed away from the jazz legends.

That is until a friend forced me to listen to Ellington's The Far East Suite. There was something there that got me hooked; something I did not necessarily get upon my first listen, but nevertheless drew me back, not unlike the instrumental passages of The Great Pagoda Of Funn. (As a sidenote, I believe Jon Herrington once referred to this piece as Fagen's great tribute to jazz harmony, or something along those lines.)

Having devoured a few more of Ellington's suites, it boggles my mind that I stayed away from him for so long. He already feels like an old friend. If it is true that he died before having chance to listen to The Two's tribute to him on Pretzel Logic, that is indeed very sad. I feel confident Fagen in particular picked up one or two tricks from The Duke. Just imagine the collaborations that could have been; Ellington/Strayhorn/Becker/Fagen anyone?

Anyway. I would like to ask you two questions:

(1) Which are your favorite Ellington works?

(2) Which are your favorite non-Ellington works in jazz?

To me the answers are (1) The Far East Suite and The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, and (2) Native Dancer by Wayne Shorter.

Hope all is well with fellow Steelers near and far.

Date: Thurs, February 10, 2011, 23:20 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains

"I wonder how they will mix things up on the tour this year. Will it be the same band as 2009?????"

In response, if Carlock goes out again with John Mayer, which is more than possible, we may expect to see Michael White on drums.

That's cool, but I'd vote for Steve Jordan or even Peter Erskine, again.

Any other drummers we'd like to see tackle the Dan catalog this summer???

Date: Thurs, February 10, 2011, 21:56 ET
Posted by: The, Answer

How many would have bought tickets to the now legendary Chumash show if it hadn't been the sole show announced for a number of weeks? Tanglewood is getting the same treatment.

Date: Wed, February 9, 2011, 21:12 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlanso

Ok, I am officially starting to wonder when we'll get the news on some SD tour dates other than Tanglewood. Come on, guys, spill it already!

Date: Wed, February 9, 2011, 06:34 ET
Posted by: Sal, my Pal,

I wonder how they will mix things up on the tour this year. Will it be the same band as 2009?????

Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 21:56 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Jim -
Anybody who is at all familiar with the Blue knows that you are a conscientious keeper of the SD flame, and go to great lengths to protect the integrity of the site. The freedom you offer us posters to express ourselves is frequently taken for granted, and before you know it, some people think they have a "right" to say anything and everything. If all of us would just remember that we are playing in someone else's yard (yours) and we need to show a little respect, we would all be better off. Alas, it is not always so.
As always, thank you for all that you provide to us, and I support whichever direction you decide to go.

Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 21:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


What ever works for you. Many
of us here would be glad to
help any way we could.

But it's your "show" for these many
years and we are so thankful for it.

Speaking of "show", godbless and
RIP Joyce Sloane, the "Mother"
of Chicago Theatre.

Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 21:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Lurker Ray, others:

Thanks for the input. For next few days we're going to have this current Bluebook but moderated; Looking at having something that let's regulars posts go up with out any or, at most, minimal need for moderation; with provision for friendly anons to keep their anonymity and minimal hassle.

Best wishes and many thx.


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 18:24 ET
Posted by: Abu, Pointing up at the sky

I just played the edited single version of Tomorrow's Girls. Interesting that it is only about 40 seconds shorter than the album version. The bridge is intact. It sounds like some of the girls names were taken out of the outro. It quickly goes to the sister, mother, significant other part and then fades out. I guess DF couldn't bare shortening the song much. Well, the single did not do well at all anyway, so I guess it didn't matter much. Only a handful of people heard the slightly truncated version. Was there possibly a shorter version that I don't know about?


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 16:37 ET
Posted by: Joe M, CT

Just landed some tix for Tanglewood in July and that was the tag line..

Should be a great show and a great Dan related summer. Tanglewood is just such a unique experience - out there in the middle of the Berkshire's... We go at least 2-3 times a year, sit on the lawn and enjoy. Perfect surroundings, great sound, can't wait for the Dan to grace the historic shed stage.


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 16:31 ET
Posted by: Brooklyn Rundfunk Orkestrata, feat. Carolyn & Victoria!

To hear the whole album titled The Hills Are Alive. The music from The Sound Of Music given some new turns and twists.

Steely Dan connection: Carolyn Leonhart and Victoria Cave!

Playing live dates in Chicago, New York and Los Angeles in March.


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 15:51 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu


Many other forums I frequent have numerous appointed "Moderators".
How about thinking about going that route instead of the delay?

The Blue has always been THE place to get immediate, timely, up to date news on ticket passwords, sale dates, releases and other Steely Dan urgent news. Seems a shame to now institute a "delay" because of a few bad apples and ruin years of a "good thing".

Especially as we approach what is hopefully a new album release from Donald and an upcoming tour and we hang on any new information.

All the best,

Lurker Ray

Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 15:44 ET
Posted by: Kasey's, Top 40

Take a wild guess which part of Tomorrow's Girls was abridged for the single edit.

Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 14:08 ET
Posted by: Abu, Not in Roppongi

Nice expressions about Tomorrow's Girls. Surely DF had one of his greatest inspirations in that bridge, especially the girl backup singers part. Simply incredible! WB's guitar solo is quite good, as was stated. I always liked his "sliding left hand" coming out of the bridge, which really emphasizes the change back to the home key. Additionally, during his solo, the backup singers hold a nice long note starting at aprox. 3:21, stretching it out for about 10 seconds. Then, a splendid combination of notes played by the horns introducing the outro at 4:36. Of course, how could we forget DF's entertaining "not my sister, not my mother, significant other" as well!


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 18:24 ET
Posted by: Abu, Pointing up at the sky

I just played the edited single version of Tomorrow's Girls. Interesting that it is only about 40 seconds shorter than the album version. The bridge is intact. It sounds like some of the girls names were taken out of the outro. It quickly goes to the sister, mother, significant other part and then fades out. I guess DF couldn't bare shortening the song much. Well, the single did not do well at all anyway, so I guess it didn't matter much. Only a handful of people heard the slightly truncated version. Was there possibly a shorter version that I don't know about?


Date: Tues, February 8, 2011, 11:02:55 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Thanks for your support and suggestions. Working on a new guestbook, but also have some personal concerns in my family that need my attention. Please keep your posts coming, although there will be some delay in their appearance.

A few other comments:

1.) Through the years, a couple of people have been censured not because of what they say, but because of the historically offensive way they present themselves here and, more over off-line to the point where they violate personal privacy. In other words, they exhibit behavior indicative of a cyberstalker, taking things beyond the realm of music discussion, going outside the context of this board, and intruding on others' personal lives.

2) Now and then, people with good information and wishing us well DO anonymously slip information to us, provided they cannot be unmasked even to me. That's why we have the anonymous posting. But that doesn't excuse people from treating others poorly.

3) With all due respect and more, Ann (my kind, beautiful friend), I'll simply say that I don't think you understand and I disagree. Based on what I have seen here on the blue and some private emails I received the Blue has done more than keep our side of the street clean.

Many thanks to most all for your support and kindness.


Date: Mon, February 07, 2011, 12:23 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Steve, Singapura!

yeah! I'm a lifer, didn't ya know? Just about to collect my local pension :)

Some crackin' acts coming to Singers this month and next... Eric, Carlos, Slash, Michael B, to name but a few..... Let's hope that Don and Walt see the light! We can always hope for the Asian Jazz fests that are becoming increasingly popular. Jakarta Jazz has Santana this year, and even our dear old Miri jazz (Sarawak) has Maria Muldaur and John Hammond (and last year Michael Shrieve). To get our guys out here would be brilliant! Who knows, time will tell.

Great to see so much support for Elliott Randall on here. What a gent!

Peace to all,


Date: Sun, February 6, 2011, 12:26 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Didn't mean to be rude. I apologize.

Date: Sat, February 04, 2011, 01:47 ET
Posted by: Tanglewood tickets inspire, homepage update?

With the Tanglewood tickets going on sale to the general public February 6, dare we hope for some sort of update on in the next 48 hours?

While we wait let's ponder why Danish singer Hanne Boel decided to sing about people and not kids in her 2010 version of Showbiz Kids:

Date: Fri, February 07, 2011, 10:19 ET
Posted by: KF, Shuffle Diplomacy Twenty Eleven


Advertisement in yesterday's Boston Globe for the Tanglewood show - "STEELY DAN JAZZ-ROCK AMBASSADORS TO THE GALAXY"

Date: Fri, February 04, 2011, 16:55:58 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

I'm going to be rebuilding the Bluebook over the next few days so that there is an approval format. So posting will not happen right away.

Thanks to the many of you who have been supportive.

Best wishes,


Date: Fri, February 04, 2011, 16:52:41 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago


Save for what are mainly the comments from NY Bill, the comments are good and there have been anon comments from various SD associates through the years.

I found your post rather rude.

Date: Fri, February 04, 2011, 16:45:31 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Elliot Randal's facebook response is a good example of why people ought to post diplomatically here - people connected to the band are watching and might actually be kind enough to post from time to time if they thought we weren't a bunch of assholes!

Date: Fri, February 04, 2011, 14:58:38 ET
Posted by: Bob, not your uncle

orry to see that NY Bill again giving us a hard time. A link for donating to Roger was first posted here on Jan. 17. Bill had nothing to do with us starting to donate.

Elliott Randall is great on Reelin' but too bad he's suckered into a psycho like Bill.

Enough of that.

The conversation on Tomorrow's girls has been a good one.

I hope we hear new tracks this year.


Date: Fri, February 04, 2011, 00:06:54 ET
Posted by: Steve,

Last Tango In Paris star Maria Schneider has died.

Obit here

Interview and full movie at

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 20:27:22 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Singapura, Malaysia

Happy Year of the Rabbit to all Dandom!!!

Thank you Hoops for keeping this wonderful site going....especially for all of us stranded here in Ajia :D

Let's hope Steely can trek down to Singapore....this year

Special Hello to Ann in Borneo! Great to know you still in this region too....Gong Xi Gong Xi ;-)

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 20:17:49 ET
Posted by: Bob, are you still my uncle?

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 19:51:03 ET
Posted by: Bob,

Looking forward to shows this summer.

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 19:45:48 ET
Posted by: NY Joe,

NY Bill, you are an ass.

We all know you post to Facebook as Will Iam and a photo of Charles Manson. Everyone except Elliott Randall.

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 19:07:52 ET
Posted by: NYB, Banned-Aid

Regarding Elliott Randall,

The point of my original posts at the time (subsequently deleted) was to point out the fact that you guys were asking why Elliott hadn't mentioned Roger Nichols on his facebook page BUT not asking the very OBVIOUS QUESTION as to why Fagen and Becker themselves hadn't mentioned it...

I mean that IS the obvious question isn't it? In which some of you replied rather cryptically about "royalties" Roger had recieved implying that Roger has ripped them off or something. I mean the man is fighting for his life, does anyone really give damn about royalites right now???

And again, all this time later there is STILL no reaction from the two Gods is there? Still they remain silent... The man worked with them for years and they have NOTHING TO SAY? Of course not... but when Ike Turner, the wife beating cokehead passes away, DF issues a full page eulogy for him. WTF is wrong with this picture?

And if D&W are reading this, get your asses over to your websites and do something about this... You are looking like total assholes right now. Thank God you've got a friend like me or you would never be hearing anything like this.


Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 18:43:31 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Effen, A. - You bet they can. Can't wait. It's gonna be big. I can FEEL it!

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 16:28:55 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

How about Walter's guitar solo on Tomorrow's girls?
To me it's one of his best.

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 14:54:34 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hi Fife,

Following threads here and on Elliott's FB pages, it looks like someone has read only selected comments from here, misconstrued them and reported back to Elliott that criticisms were being made that he hadn't supported Roger's plight. Obviously, scrolling back to 18th Jan, Elliott's FB comments are quoted here - but other's couldn't find them as Elliott was having problems with some of his FB pages disappearing.

As anyone who has been following Elliott's FB (and the Blue book since 17th Jan) will know, he has vigorously supported Roger's case.

Peace....and GONG Xi FA CHAI to any Chinese Blue-bookers, welcome to the year of the Rabbit!


Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 14:44:35 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 13:42:52 ET
Posted by: Effen, A

Can such "golden moments" be produced in Mike the trumpet player's spare room?

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 13:25:06 ET
Posted by: True Companion, sleeping in today

Abu: The bridge on "Tomorrow's Girls" is even more breathtaking in the surround sound mix. It's simply one of the most beautiful recorded moments I've ever heard.

Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 11:41:46 ET
Posted by: Abu, Not hanging with Pix's as-if boyfriend

Looking back at my posts, I realize that my post at 14:57 on 01/28:

"I could be wrong, but I've seen your face before... maybe it's Randall. I might just leave him lying in the rain."

....was in NO WAY about the "dissed" Mr. E. Randall. It was, in fact, a reference to two SD songs, one of which "I" am the lengendary "Our Man". The reference is specifically to the title character's "as-if boyfriend Randall".

I in no way meant this in bad taste. I just did not realize the possible misconstrued connection until now.


Date: Thurs, February 03, 2011, 09:58:13 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore

This was posted on facebook:

I find it really odd that I've been criticized (dissed) on the "Dandom" SD fan site for 'doing and saying nothing' (sic) regarding my friend Roger Nichols' dire situation and needs (find my post 3 down from this). The post also appears on my personal page (a bit further down on that page, as time does not stand still). So what's up? Any of you out there have an explanation? ...a clue? Sure would be helpful. Thx

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 22:21:28 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

Abu - Thanks for causing me to give Tomorrow's Girls a closer listen than I have in a while, especially the passage you discussed. Groovy.

But that's how it is with SD music, no? You listen to it and get a picture of it in your head. Then something catches your attention that you hadn't noticed before and you have a little "Ahhh" (not "Aha," but "Ahhh") moment. And while you follow that sound, something else that had previously escaped notice appears and lets you chase it around the corner. The music has dimensions. The lyrics have dimensions. And then you sit back for a simple listen and discover that all of your wandering around in the music has changed the picture in your head, and you enjoy the music in a different way. It's genius, is what it is.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 21:24:17 ET
Posted by: midnight rider,

Allman Brothers - 15 shows @ Beacon in 2011 (13 on sale now)

SD - 10 shows @ Beacon in 2011 (0 on sale now)

So it is written, so it shall be.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 21:04:37 ET
Posted by: Fred, Etc.

This story suggests lower ticket prices are coming this year.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 20:15:18 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Hey, nothing is safer than coming to Dallas. We NEED a Steely Dan show in this neck of the woods.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 20:07:30 ET
Posted by: Glengarry Glen Wrong, With Murry

There is no way in hell that this economic climate is going to support
10 nights at the Beacon. Never going to happen. The Dukes couldn't even fill two nights. The boys are very aware of the economic tough times. This willl be a very "safe" tour this year. Count on it.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 19:07:49 ET
Posted by: Abu, The bogs of New Jersey

I believe Hoops and everyone else in the upper midwest is truly Snowbound.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 18:33:27 ET
Posted by: U, Askin' Me

Quite simple really, the lawn is The Dunes.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 17:54:37 ET
Posted by: Glenn Quagmire, Gig(gity)locator

Seems every band that's typed into the giglocator search engine plays the Beacon April 8th. And May 8th. And June 8th. Etc.

MY sources tell me, and in turn I tell you, that DF/WB and Co. will be playing the Beacon late July/early August for 10 nights. Save your $��� folks, each night will be a different album or theme.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 14:47:35 ET
Posted by: Askin', U

How is it that Fagen's back lawn is hot enough to grill burgers on, yet he still has a lawn. His daddy must have some mower.

Date: Wed, February 02, 2011, 00:28:00 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains

That part of Tomorrow's Girls is indeed awesome. You nailed it.

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 21:02:12 ET
Posted by: Abu, In the room above the garage

There is something about the bridge in DF's "Tomorrow's Girls". I am always drawn to it. First of all, the way he leads into it. I'm not musically-inclined... what I mean is, I don't know all the correct musical terms. Leading into the bridge, DF plays two notes on the offbeat at 2:18, then 2:20 the horns take it into the bridge. I'm thinking that this a key change (perhaps from major to minor?) .....WHAT I LOVE THE MOST #1: How the horns play the sustained note for several beats, gradually fading out. Meanwhile, WB (on bass) plays one note, then a lower note twice, while Leroy Clouden (drums) taps the snare on the rim (or is it on the wood block?) and hits the bass drum twice, in unison with the double note on bass, the rhythm section repeating this pattern as the backdrop of the entire bridge. While the horns are fading out, you become aware of DF's electric piano, softly playing what sounds like three wonderful notes. Occasional exotic-sounding percussion plays in the background. At 2:36 DF starts singing "In the cool of the evening, in the last light of the triple sun..." during this first line, Fagen hits the keys stronger once, then a twice (all the same notes, possibly a chord?) At 2:54, when DF starts the line "soon the warm night breezes" the acoustic piano plays a beautiful sequence of notes, which one gets the feeling is the warm night breeze itself.... then....WHAT I LOVE THE MOST #2: At 2:57 the female backup singers come in with arguably the most heavenly of Fagen backup singer writing, singing "warm night breezes rolling in off the shore". While they are singing, the horns play in the background in harmony, building to the climax of the bridge, at 3:00, when DF and the girls all sing "Yes at lantern time, that's when you come to me". This incredible climax includes some stronger notes on horns, and then a higher-pitched "come to me" by one the girls. AMAZING STUFF, this! Then DF and WB on guitar ushers in the key change, back to the home key once again.

It is hard to describe the feeling I get when listening to this sequence in this particular tune. I think it is a perfect example (of many, I'm sure) of Donald Fagen's genius. We keep coming back for more, and never tire of it!

Anyone else who would like to add their thoughts on the afore-mentioned, feel free. Perhaps someone can correct my musical terminology or descriptions. All such commentary is welcome.


Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 15:44:19 ET
Posted by: Toot Your Honer,

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 13:14:32 ET
Posted by: Abu, Symmetrical and clean

Thanks, Radio Dupree people for fixing the Woody Herman CD notes. I Got the News, too, on your e-mail. Well, as I stated earlier "Interesting that there is no info on Deacon Blues. I guess someone forgot to write the stuff down back in '78"." Perhaps Mr. LaPalm remembers. Anyone know how to get in touch with him?

Your man Abu

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 12:00:55 ET
Posted by: @Abu, Re: Gary's post January 29. Fixed it!

Hi Abu,

Regarding the song credits for 'Deacon Blues', the CD has some great liner notes, but doesn't give a track-by-track listing of who played on what cuts. Interestingly, I also have the LP, which lists the soloists by song on the back cover, but the CD doesn't even give that. However, here's what the CD does say about the musicians on the other Steely Dan tracks:

Green Earrings and Kid Charlemagne: The still underrated arranger Joe Roccisano shows his skills superbly for Green Earrings, providing a constantly inventive chart that must be a joy to play, whichever section of a big band a musician might find himself/herself. From the hypnotic opening rhythmic vamp, to the spirited finale, Roccisano is the individual star of this particular track, even allowing for first-rate solo statements from baritonist Bruce Johnstone, trumpeter Dennis Dotson, Tom Scott's mysterious-sounding lyricon and, best of all, Victor Feldman's crystalline vibes. Not forgetting Jeff Hamilton's marvelously uplifting drumming, not only here, but indeed throughout the whole proceedings. Ex-Herman trumpeter Bill Stapleton is responsible for another high-calibre arrangement, this one illuminating the subtle harmonies of Kid Charlemagne. The three tenors of Frank Tiberi, Gary Anderson and Joe Lovano, in unison, feature prominently during the thematic statement, and Scott's lyricon is discernible from time to time within the ensemble sound. The stalwart Tiberi gets off a typically spirited offering on his premier horn, although it's far too short!

FM and I Got The News: Tiberi's similarly short, but pithy tenor solo and Bill Ross' elegant flute feature during colleague Gary Anderson's fine arrangement of FM. It really seems unnecessary to remind the listener just how remarkably cohesive Woody's bands have sounded through the many permutations over the years, but FM is as good an example as any from the seventies period. So, too, is I Got The News. Tom Scott, using both lyricon and tenor-sax on this occasion, takes the central role as soloist for Woody Herman's one-and-only recorded version, although trombonists Birch Johnson and Larry Farrell split an excellent chorus before the intriguing theme returns. And, as yet another positive example of Vic Feldman's enormous talents, his chart for I Got The News will provide a timely reminder of what a profound loss he was to the British jazz scene when he decided to live and work in the States. And, re-emphasizes the tragedy of his sudden and premature death in 1987.

Aja: Another multi-talent, with strong Herman connections, is New Zealander Alan Broadbent, whose reputation both as a pianist and writer had been established during a mutually productive period (1969-1972). Broadbent's previous most impressive writing for the Herman Band had involved his startling arrangement of Blues In The Night, and his own Variations On A Scene. Broadbent's scoring of Aja, perhaps more than the others, shows an intuitive awareness of, and deep rapport, with Steely Dan music. His voicings are even more original than the other four writers, and the backgrounds he furnishes for Frank Tiberi's finest solo work, with regard to the Steely Dan items, is a most imaginative backdrop.


That's it. And, Abu, you owe me a beer! ;)


Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 11:41:01 ET
Posted by: Abu, Gary's post

Hoops, when you get a chance... is there any way you can fix Gary in Atlanta's post about the Woody Herman CD? Parts of it look like scrambled eggs. I wanted to copy, paste, and save it. When you have a few minutes.


Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 10:46:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Indeed, Jazzassin, indeed.

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 10:27:34 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, on the road

Or maybe not.

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 09:33:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Thanks for the attempt. Those connections are about as far as I got after posting.

But even if Levy played on Midnight Cowboy, I don't get the point. I would imagine Howard Levy would still be a fine harmonica player with, or without, the theme song to Midnight Cowboy and Donald Fagen would write What I Do, with or without Midnight Cowboy or the existence of Howard Levy. So maybe there is another connection we are both missing.

Date: Tues, February 01, 2011, 08:55:07 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, playing disharmonica & melancholodica

@ The Dean/maybe,not

I got a bit curious about that one, too... but here's my two cents:
John Barry composed the Midnight Cowboy theme.
The theme features Toots Thielemans on chromatic harmonica, the instrument also played by Howard Levy on What I Do.
This makes a veeery vague dangential connection between Barry and Don, though it would be more relevant if it actually was Levy playing on Midnight Cowboy, which it isn't.
But that's the only explanation I can come up with so far.
Am I right, "maybe, not", or is there in fact a closer connection that I haven't seen? After all, many people play the harmonica, so it seems a bit far fetched, IMHO.

Date: Mon, January 31, 2011, 22:15:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

RIP John Barry

But I admit to some confusion here.

"No Midnight Cowboy, no Howard What I Do..."

Midnight Cowboy I understand. But I don't think I understand Barry's connection to the other two. Thanks for clarification in advance.

Date: Mon, January 31, 2011, 20:53:47 ET
Posted by: maybe, not,

At 7AM?

RIP John Barry.

No Midnight Cowboy, no Howard What I Do....

Date: Mon, January 31, 2011, 17:31:50 ET
Posted by: hey, maybe

maybe that Beacon listing is for a benefit concert...just thinkin'

Date: Sun, January 30, 2011, 16:15:59 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Auggustine Beach

OK, here's the problem. It isn't at it is at

My bad.

Date: Sun, January 30, 2011, 16:14:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jazz FM Steely Dan doc update. If you go to JazzFM's main page and hit listen live it is NOT the SD documentary.

Go here and you can here it now:

I missed the first 10 minutes or so, but I'm guessing it will be in their archives later.

Date: Sun, January 30, 2011, 12:32:36 ET
Posted by: @Is this accurate?, I'd have to agree with Lurker Ray and say "no"

Seeing that giglocator lists the following:

past Steely Dan shows worldwide

Massey Hall, Toronto
11th Jan

Nob Hill Masonic Center, San Francisco
10th Jan

Gibson Amphitheatre at Universal CityWalk, Universal City
9th Jan

Gibson Amphitheatre, Universal City
8th Jan

Nob Hill Masonic Center, San Francisco
10th Dec 2010


making it look like the guys have been gigging January this year and December last year I would not put any truth in the upcoming gigs they have listed. Except the Tanglewood one which links to something named Ticket Solutions that charge you 85 or 230 bucks for tickets that should cost between 25 and 150. You do the math... :)

Date: Sun, January 30, 2011, 11:41:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

There's a bug with the Bluebook right now and posts prior to January 15 are not available. They will be restored from back up in the next day or so. In the mean time, if there is an urgent post you need, please email me privately and I will dig it up--just mention a couple of key words in your request.

Many thanks for your support and patience and special thanks to Jazzassassin for bringing this to my attention.



Date: Sun, January 30, 2011, 00:29:51 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, Molten Lava Lamp

sayeth Greek, Italian sparkles in your china

"I love Green Earrings, but it doesn't work for me as the next song after The Fez. For some reason, I have to shuffle around and come back to it."

The Fez ended the first side of the LP. Thus Fez and GE really weren't designed for a back to back listen. Besides back in the 70s, half of the listeners had the first side on repeat with their bong or girl next to the crib.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 19:32:24 ET
Posted by: Abu, Up on the catwalk

Thanks, Gary for the great liner notes. I also have the LP, which has notes from DF & WB, Woody Herman, and Chick Corea. So, the CD notes about the arrangements and soloists were great. I agree that Joe Roccisano was a great arranger, and then band leader himself until his untimely passing in 1997 at only 58.

Interesting that there is no info on Deacon Blues. I guess someone forgot to write the stuff down back in '78. The only thing that will likely remain unknown is who the arranger was. The pianist was Pat Coil, the only keyboard player listed on the album. Guitars were played by Mitch Holder. Trombone solo was either Birch Johnson (1st Trombone), or Larry Farrell.


Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 18:49:58 ET
Posted by: Greek, Italian sparkles in your china

I love Green Earrings, but it doesn't work for me as the next song after The Fez. For some reason, I have to shuffle around and come back to it.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 18:18:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Gigpercolator -

Well that would be a first,

A Steely Dan "breakfast" gig.

Not counting the 2000 Today Show.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 18:15:19 ET
Posted by: Gary, in Atlanta

Hi Abu – Regarding the song credits for 'Deacon Blues', the CD has some great liner notes, but doesn’t give a track-by-track listing of who played on what cuts. Interestingly, I also have the LP, which lists the soloists by song on the back cover, but the CD doesn’t even give that. However, here’s what the CD does say about the musicians on the other Steely Dan tracks:

Green Earrings and Kid Charlemagne: The still underrated arranger Joe Roccisano shows his skills superbly for Green Earrings, providing a constantly inventive chart that must be a joy to play, whichever section of a big band a musician might find himself/herself. From the hypnotic opening rhythmic vamp, to the spirited finale, Roccisano is the individual star of this particular track, even allowing for first-rate solo statements from baritonist Bruce Johnstone, trumpeter Dennis Dotson, Tom Scott’s mysterious-sounding lyricon and, best of all, Victor Feldman’s crystalline vibes. Not forgetting Jeff Hamilton’s marvelously uplifting drumming – not only here, but indeed throughout the whole proceedings. Ex-Herman trumpeter Bill Stapleton is responsible for another high-calibre arrangement, this one illuminating the subtle harmonies of Kid Charlemagne. The three tenors of Frank Tiberi, Gary Anderson and Joe Lovano, in unison, feature prominently during the thematic statement, and Scott’s lyricon is discernible from time to time within the ensemble sound. The stalwart Tiberi gets off a typically spirited offering on his premier horn – although it’s far too short!

FM and I Got The News: Tiberi’s similarly short, but pithy tenor solo and Bill Ross’ elegant flute feature during colleague Gary Anderson’s fine arrangement of FM. It really seems unnecessary to remind the listener just how remarkably cohesive Woody’s bands have sounded through the many permutations over the years, but FM is as good an example as any from the seventies period. So, too, is I Got The News. Tom Scott, using both lyricon and tenor-sax on this occasion, takes the central role as soloist for Woody Herman’s one-and-only recorded version, although trombonists Birch Johnson and Larry Farrell split an excellent chorus before the intriguing theme returns. And, as yet another positive example of Vic Feldman’s enormous talents, his chart for I Got The News will provide a timely reminder of what a profound loss he was to the British jazz scene when he decided to live and work in the States…. And, re-emphasizes the tragedy of his sudden and premature death in 1987….

Aja: Another multi-talent, with strong Herman connections, is New Zealander Alan Broadbent, whose reputation both as a pianist and writer had been established during a mutually productive period (1969-1972). Broadbent’s previous most impressive writing for the Herman Band had involved his startling arrangement of Blues In The Night, and his own Variations On A Scene. Broadbent’s scoring of Aja, perhaps more than the others, shows an intuitive awareness of, and deep rapport, with Steely Dan music. His voicings are even more original than the other four writers, and the backgrounds he furnishes for Frank Tiberi’s finest solo work, with regard to the Steely Dan items, is a most imaginative backdrop.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 17:54:48 ET
Posted by: Is this accurate?, <>><>><>

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 17:23:14 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago. This one covered from January 20-29, 2011.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, check your spam filters first; then, if it's not there, please email me.

Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc. That's why this sort of notice is posted in the Blue.

The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for January 20-29, 2011:


Here We Go! Herington CD Release Show, SD Tribute Band "No Static"

Re: Here We Go! Herington CD Release Show, SD Tribute Band "No Static"
Jon Herington CD release show

THIS SUNDAY! 1/30: Don Breithaupt's Steely Dan special

Aja by Don Breithaupt
Steely Dan-ce
Catherine Russell on Steely Dan and her own singing career
RE: Keith Carlock in the March 2011 issue of MD
REDUX: Steely Dan at Tanglewood! Summer 2011
REDUX: Re: Brief News

AND...AN UPDATE: George Petersen on Roger Nichols


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Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 17:16:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

From the Dandom Digest "posts-as-they-come" email list and also the just-out Dandom Digest dated January 20-29,2010...with thanks to Per-Gunnar:

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:17:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Per-Gunnar Eriksson
Subject: THIS SUNDAY! 1/30: Don Breithaupt's Steely Dan special
To: digest dandom
Catch Don Breithaupt's Steely Dan special this Sunday January 30 at 4 PM online at

(I guess that the time is EST (NYC Time) , but don't take my word for it!)




Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 15:35:20 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

It's definitely legit. I heard the promo earlier this week, and I also checked the website myself later to confirm. There's no mention of the SD show specifically, but the 4:00pm Sunday time slot is listed on the regular schedule as "Documentary Sunday" which coincides with the on-air announcement. I'm assuming that since that time slot is reserved for a different program/subject each week, the station simply relies on the audience to listen in regardless of the subject matter. It does seem a bit odd that a potential audience-appeal show like this one would be more-or-less buried in anonymity, though. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what materializes. I'll be listening........

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 11:32:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach


Quick question. Are you yanking out collective chains about the JazzFM doc on the "Jazz Roots of Steely Dan" to be broadcast tomorrow? I assumed that was a legit heads-up. I can't find any reference to it on the JazzFM website.

Thanks in advance.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 10:52:09 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, over here

@ M/O/D/P

I guess Mrs. Krall don't need me defending what she's doing, but I have a couple of thoughts on the subject.

I agree to much of what you write, but wonder if it could be that she, at least, is actually offering a low treshold entrance into the world of jazz and standard songbook songs for many, especially younger folks, that would otherwise never listen to that stuff?
And perhaps some of them will get interested enough to seek the sources, and also discover "real" jazz artists through that experience?
The "Great American Songbook" is a cultural treasure of such importance, that it's only a good thing that all kinds of artists makes their versions, however easy-listening like they may sound to jazz gourmets, IMHO.

The same goes for artists like Michael Bublé, Rufus Waynwright, Jamie Cullum, Madeleine Peyroux and many others.

I, like The Dean, am very fond of Diana Krall's Nat King Cole album "All For You".
I like the powerful, yet minimalistic trio playing that they do on this particular record, I like the songs themselves, and besides the fact that they're all outstanding musicians, I like the way Russell Malone's guitar notes makes out with Diana's voice like they were teenagers desperately in love... And I'm not the most romantic guy you never met, to say the least, but if it has to be romantic with sugar and syrup on top, I'd pick that one over most things.
Also remember that the great Ray Brown (SD connection: Razor Boy) was her mentor. For whatever that's worth.
Anyway, at her best she's not the least bit dull, I think.

Which compromises otherwise interesting artists may or may not have done to please the record companies, is another discussion... ;)

And we don't have to wait until 2025 to hear about J Bieber's jazz roots. JazzFM 91.1 is actually broadcasting an interview next week, where Bieber explains about his modal vocal impros over Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" when he was four. Don't miss it.

Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 10:34:39 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan-ce, Can we dance together?

From the New York Post review of Parson Dance Company's run at the Joyce Theater in New York Januari 26 - February 6:

"One premiere, "Run to You," is set to four songs by Steely Dan, but Parsons ignores the acerbic lyrics and focuses on the easy-listening sound. For much of the beginning, his dancers run and jog, then come forward at the end in little, show-offy pairings: It looks like expensive bar mitzvah entertainment."

Anyone see the show?


Date: Sat, January 29, 2011, 02:25:10 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

The Dean - Good to see that someone saw the hyperbolic humor (up here in snow-caked Canada, it would, of course, be called "humour") in my semi-caustic words of a few days ago. Personally, I usually enjoy reading something that's been written in a manner other than the oh-so-earnest/deadly dull style that pervades so many internet spaces. What I like about this little spot here is that the conversation, when at its best, tends to eschew that sort of less-than-honest approach in favour of something a bit more interesting. So, on the rare occasion when I post instead of just reading/enjoying the proceedings, I try to be at least a little bit less than straightforward, or in lieu of that, snarky. On a slightly more serious note, I do particularly enjoy it when those contributors who have a strong technical understanding of music (something I lack completely) offer their views/deconstructions of whatever composition is being discussed. There's been some pretty good stuff posted here over the past few years. Sincere thanks for that.

As far as the concept of respecting performers one doesn't truly appreciate, hopefully we can all grasp that. The problem as I see it lies with bland, cookie-cutter acts like 1960s bath-time superstar Mr. Bubble's son Michael and his sorry ilk who are really nothing more than pale imitators of styles whose days have (perhaps sadly) long since passed. Innovators of any stripe deserve respect and admiration, even if we don't immediately "get" what they're doing. Imitators, on the other hand, are just plain tacky. Hence my contempt for today's whitebread MOR-types who masquerade as jazz performers. So, yeah, the Bieber comparison was perhaps a bit strained, but all good hyperbole should be, no? Still, for the life of me, I can't find too many fundamental conceptual differences between the obnoxious, contrived teen-idol-du-jour and today's current crop of pretend-jazz superstars and their pablum-y offerings. Maybe it's just me.........


ps - I can now shamefully admit that I was completely out of line with my suggestion of "Everything Must Go" as the quintessential SD summer album. What was I thinking? Lord only knows.........

pps - I hereby nominate "Countdown to Ecstasy" as THE summer album, and "Were You Blind That Day?" as most under-rated song. So there.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 21:16:44 ET
Posted by: ForwardGirl, Preggoville

Catherine Russell article... sorry if repeat but my tired eyes don't see a previous post of this.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 17:59:43 ET
Posted by: Wii, Programmer

Off the record, we were very influenced by that song.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 15:50:13 ET
Posted by: Wii Party, Big Screen TVs

Has anyone noticed that much of the background music to Wii Party sounds like it was lifted from Peg?

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 15:49:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny Malibu

"FYI the tour title is Steely Dan Shuffle Diplomacy Twenty Eleven"

I hope that means that they are
going to "shuffle" the setlist
nightly ;O)

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 14:57:00 ET
Posted by: Abu, With a Gun and tambourine

I could be wrong, but I've seen your face before... maybe it's Randall. I might just leave him lying in the rain.

Hey, Gary in Atlanta? Where you be at? I believe you be sayin' a while back that you be havin' Woody Herman's "Chick" CD? If that be you, then hows about you readin' them song credits for "Deacon Blues" so we all be knowin' 'bout who be playin' on it.

(your man) Abu

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 13:18:20 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, her stupid father

Oh, THAT Abu. I see.
Well, Abu... Keep your hands off my Pixie.☺

SF Dan Fan,
If you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 12:45:04 ET
Posted by: SF Dan Fan, Yoshi's, Jazz Club SF

Tangentially Dannish due to the time line of the bands, but I went to see George Clinton & Parliment/Funkadelic last night. Not their best show but good enough not to have failed. It might have been due to it being the early show (8pm). I saw them in Novemeber 2010 just before Thankssgiving for the later set (10pm) and they funked it out. Going back this Saturday for the 10pm set in standing section and hope to right down fromt.

In the meantime Dan fans,


All the best.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 11:59:20 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

What a Shame Abu't me.....?

...the Canadian version obviously!

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 11:41:27 ET
Posted by: more like, this

Abu squeezes off twenty tracer rounds.

Date: Fri, January 28, 2011, 08:07:20 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norwahwah

"Gaslighting Abu", I presume?

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 22:03:46 ET
Posted by: Abu, Sheridan Square

JL aka JohnL from LI, or Long Island

is now henceforth


Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 21:57:31 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, just ringing in...


Fun stuff! Great idea, I'll throw a couple of my own pennies in, here:

Ultimate Summer Album: I've gotta say the expanded version of the GOLD collection is close to my heart; I drive a lot in the Summertime, and I've had this one in the dash since '88, when it was an unexpanded, eight-cut cassette. Countless hours since, with a nicely-rounded collection of the "new" direction of the Dan.

Most Unappreciated Tune: What the Hell?! I'd advise that even the ones we don't care for ("Godwhacker" is a song that I've yet to embrace other than musically--despite the clever storyline and bold subject matter) become just right for the moment, eventually...but I think the title track from their last studio album, "Everything Must Go," just spoke to me so bleakly after Bush Jr's second (count 'em--his SECOND) election as President. "Let's admit the bastards beat us," indeed.

And we'll turn off the waterfall now, the tourists can go home--I'm listening to a pair of awesome Winter albums: PRETZEL LOGIC and CIRCUS MONEY, of late. Y'all dig out when you can, and until next time, why not let it snow?


Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 20:00:13 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, also 4 feet now - it's like the 80s

FYI the tour title is Steely Dan Shuffle Diplomacy Twenty Eleven

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 13:10:22 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

M/O/D/P that's pretty funny stuff. And of course you are entitled to your opinion. I even concur with much of it (minus the strained Justin Bieber hyperbole). Too many artists sell-out and become packaged commodities. In fact, I'd say MOST commercially successful artists are at least partly guilty of this.

I think my main point of difference from your take is, Diana Krall and Michael Buble had different (and somewhat interesting) careers BEFORE becoming successful, commercial and neatly packaged for your consumption. I was never the biggest Buble fan (although I did admire his father, Mr. Bubble, who made it big in the soap industry in the 1960's) but I like what he did early in his career a hell of a lot better than what he is doing these days. As a crooner of standards, playing the nightclubs of Southern Ontario, he was fine IMO. But I saw him last year on Saturday Night Live and it looked like he was doing a Justin Timberlake impression. Horrible.

It reminds me a bit of what happened with Harry Connick Jr. I saw him early in his career and he was a very good pianist, who sang a bit and had a nice style. Then, somewhere along the way he became convinced he WAS Frank Sinatra. Not sure exactly what his shtick is these days, but I thought the New Orleans stuff was fine.

Anyway, my point being there are artists who I don't necessarily like, but whose talent I acknowledge and respect. Someone like Justin Bieber entered the scene as a total media fabrication and has no particularly special talent, as far as I can tell. He sold out before having any sort of career. But I think you knew that when you made the, admittedly humorous, analogy.

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 11:58:38 ET
Posted by: Matt, chattanooga, TN

I grew up with Steely Dan, of course, but also with a little computer game know as Oregon Trail. Well apparently someone who works with Oregon Trail is a Steely Fan as well.

And in case you missed it:

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 10:10:27 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, The Office

Two nominees for most under appreciated songs: Sign in Stranger, Caves of Altamira.

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 09:49:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Regarding "Seasonal Danaffective Order":

Seasonally, I somewhat tend to associate each album with the season during which I first heard it.

A couple of excveptions: "Snowbound" and "Charlie Freak" seems like Christmas season tracks.

So there.


Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 09:24:22 ET
Posted by: JL, LI , Snowbound, again

I also am not sure about meaning of Summer album. I play all my SD albums in summer, fall, winter and spring.

I also agree with My Rival as being a very underrated tune. I always am drawn to the organ, the great rhythm guitar (Hiram Bullock, I think), the horns, and of course, DF's wonderful vocals.

I've also heard Woody Herman's cover of "Deacon Blues" about three times now, courtesy of Radio Dupree. Yes, it growing on me. On first listen it seems to start out like a "smooth jazz"-type tune. But it has grown on me by the third listen. I hear more depth to the arrangement, and about 2/3 in the band blows (in a good way). There is a nice trombone solo, and decent piano (of course, nothing like Michael Lang's piano featured on the Hoops McCann). Sounds to me like their are a couple of guitars playing, an acoustic in the background, and the other plays the main melody of the chorus. I'm wondering who does the arrangement, and who are the featured artists? I'm guessing Birch Johnson does the trombone solo, as he has the 1st trombone listing on the LP. Anyone with a copy of the CD has this info? Radio Dupree, can you provide this info?


Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 08:30:25 ET
Posted by: This, Justin

M/O/D/P - maybe if you listened to some Les Dudek (certainly NOT any John McLaughlin) you would know good music. Asanine is a good word to describe the two McLaughlin dissers that have posted here lately.

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 07:53:17 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -


What a truly great answer! One I'm sure every Dan-head out there can relate to.


Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 06:42:11 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, the booth

1a) Best summer album (summer days) : Gaucho
1b) Best summer album (summer nights): The Royal Scam

2) Most under-appreciated song : Throw Back The Little Ones

The most correct answer to question 2, though, is "All of the 80 songs included on the 9 official studio albums + FM & Here In the Western World".

If they were not all generally under-appreciated, they would be the 9 most selling albums in history.... ;)

Date: Thurs, January 27, 2011, 03:44:20 ET
Posted by: Unknown,

1. Gaucho
2. Charlie Freak

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 23:48:34 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

Thanks to Hutch for that smirk-inducing link. Clearly, the writer feels he's eminently qualified to disregard all of the Becker and Fagen material released post-"Classic Rock"-period with a mere swipe of his soiled hand. Of course, like other similar clucks, he completely misses the point.......he misreads/mis-hears lyrics/casually mis-spells surnames.........and then, with a flourish, he attempts to decipher the music based on his clumsy misinterpretations.........all with predictably asinine results ("every apron", indeed). <snicker>

And.......with any and all due respect to both The Dean and Nicholas Urfe .......As far as poor "Diana Krall" goes, well, I just never got her facile, focus-group-approved act. I suppose she's not necessarily the worst performer alive; what has bothered me about her career so far has been all of the drooling adulation sent her way by folks who say "jazz" but really mean "elevator music". Ultimately, she reminds me of the cliched "Plain Jane" who (surprisingly?) finds herself the only girl at the Star Trek convention. Yeah......I said "Plain Jane". Musically, I think that one would be hard pressed to find a more beige performer. There really are so many more past and even current artists far more deserving of mainstream acceptance, no?. Oh, and what about her thoroughly unnecessary and tuneless mangling of "Corcovado"? When I first heard her near-spoken-word smearing & re-naming of the song (and the alarming sales figures that ensued), I wondered aloud: What would Astrud say?". Then I coughed up my last three meals. To those who would attempt to further defend this lightweight musical fluff, I ask: "What next? Staunch Bluebook members doling out gushing reveiws for new Jazz sensation "Justin Bieber" live at the Five Spot?" Say it ain't so, Joe......


ps - Up next......."The Jazz Roots of Justin Bieber" on JazzFM 91.1 !
pps - [To be broadcast in a receptive audience, in all likelihood].
ppps - offense intended......if you swear by "Diana Krall" or "Michael Boo-buh-lay" or even the aforementioned Mr. Bieber........enjoy! Don`t let my awful, bitter cynicism foul yer day.
pppps - Summer album? For me, it's "Everything Must Go". Possibly because I may be unclear on the concept of what a Summer Album really is. Under-rated? "Through With Buzz" (if only 'cause Brian Sweeney called it "filler". Which, clearly, it isn't.)

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 23:34:35 ET
Posted by: My, $0.02

Most under appreciated: My Rival. People have told me they think it's a weak/inferior cut, and I tell them it's one of their strongest/best.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 22:38:40 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I was fortunate enough to be at my computer this evening at the right time to tune into Radio Dupree and catch Woody Herman's Deacon Blues. (Thanks to PGE, Siggy, Neb and all at Radio Dupree.)

I thought it was nice. Not spectacular by any means, but nice. Hopefully I will catch it again and see if my opinion changes. But right now, after one hearing each, I think I like the Hoop McCann Band version better. It's certainly more interesting at first listen.

Now to the question posed by fagenism...that's a tough task. And I am guessing my response today would be different tomorrow or the day after.

I always thought Reelin was the perfect song for the first great day of the Spring, when you could put the top/sunroof/windows down for the first time. But that wasn't the question now, was it?

Today I'd say the best Dan summer album is Katy Lied. Gaucho also strikes me as a particularly fine summer album, too.

Two songs immediately pop into my mind as "under-appreciated": Razor Boy and Fire in the Hole. Razor Boy and Bad Sneakers are quintessential Dan songs, IMO. Fire in the Hole is an overlooked gem, too. Great piano, fantastic lyrics. I also think Your Gold Teeth II is under-appreciated by many fans.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 22:23:40 ET
Posted by: Drew, San Luis Obispo

Summer Album: Aja
Under-Appreciated: Rose Darling (never performed live!)

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 22:15:45 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Thanks Hoops, That explains a lot.If you do any NY or NJ shows,would love to meet you.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 22:12:30 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Had tea with older brother / fellow Dan-head today. Two random topics came up:

1. Which is The Dan's ultimate summer album?

2. Which is the most under-appreciated Dan tune?

For this www traveller the answers are Katy Lied and Blues Beach.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 21:33:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Bikeman: Thanks for your post and thanks for contributing to the thread on the 2011 shows. Hope we get the chance to connect in person.

The first 2011 SD show was first mentioned here on the BlueBook eight days ago on January 18. It is in fact common these days for sponsoring venues (or other sponsors like radio stations) to demand as part of their contract that they have the right to tell their regular customers or audiences before the band is allowed to mention it on their site. Often such contracts require that the band waits until a certain date. Such is the case with venues that have "subscribers" like Tanglewood, Chastain, and Ravina (although they have never played the last).

Seems very plausible that SD will be touring this year from July to November, based on what I have seen here. I'm going to plan on it.

Best wishes,


Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 19:49:55 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Thanks Dean. This is the show that sparked my comment. Seems like a lot of band websites are pretty slow to update their info. You would think they would be more on top of it.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 19:31:35 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

"every apron had your number on the wall"


Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 19:26:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Bikemann, here you go:

M/O/D/P, thanks for the info. I grew up in Niagara Falls and lived there and in Buffalo for many years. JazzFM was usually a decent station, but like you say, then play a bit too much soft jazz for me.

I actually like Diana Krall. Or maybe I should say I LIKED Diana Krall back when she was getting started. Her Nat King Cole album is fabulous, IMO.

I have seen her a few times in concert. She is at her best when she is playing (she's quite good on the piano, actually) and singing. She tends to be jazzier and less forced...again, IMO. I saw her once at the Blue Note with Ray Brown. Now, I love Ray Brown's playing, but it was clear he was trying to make her into a vocal "star". She sang (not at the piano) for the entire set. For the encore the audience was calling for "Peel Me a Grape", which was getting some airplay at the time. Ray chastised the audience and told them Ms Krall was an excellent piano player, and she would be playing the piano for the encore.

I have no problem whatsoever with her not playing her "hit" song, but the idea that she couldn't play AND sing was ludicrous. And, IMO, she should have been playing the entire time. Not playing the song was fine. The excuse for not playing the song was horrible (as was Ray's attitude).

I have enjoyed her since on many occasions. It all depends on the situation. I think the influence of her husband (Elvis Costello) may not be the best thing for her, musically. But hey, what the hell do I know?

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 18:49:36 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

M/O/D/P Toronto -
Perhaps she aspires to more, I don't know, but to me Diana Krall is an excellent torch singer, most at home in singing with only a piano and bass accompanying her. In that role, she is quite passable. She's no Ella, Sarah, et al., but she would probably agree with that assessment. Whatever. I kind of had a crush on her until she hooked up with Elvis Costello.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 18:41:35 ET
Posted by: Bikemann17, nj

Strange to hear people already have Dan tickets when there is no mention of a tour anywhere.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 12:29:54 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

Of Possible Interest........

This coming Sunday (January 30 2011, 4:00pm EST) Toronto-area radio station JazzFM 91.1 will broadcast a documentary entitled "The Jazz Roots of Steely Dan". The broadcast will be available in real time on the website as well:

Although for my tastes the station plays too much "lifestyle-oriented" faux jazz/MOR like "Micheal Buble" and the truly egregious "Diana Krall", they also routinely offer long blocks of music from the likes of Miles/Monk/Coltrane/Ellington, and it's not uncommon for a McCoy Tyner or Wayne Shorter or Wes Montgomery tune to grace the airwaves, sometimes even in the middle of the day. Recently, the afternoon host gave DF's "Walk Between Raindrops" a spin before promoting Sunday's "Jazz Roots" program.

I have no idea what the SD show's content will be, but it might be worth checking out.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 10:39:32 ET
Posted by: JR, NY

Young Wu,

Thanks for that info - looks like it's worth checking out.

Date: Wed, January 26, 2011, 09:38:20 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, waiting for more snow

Just purchased our Tanglewood tickets. Section 3 Row L. Not bad - on the guitar side. Can't wait. What a great place to see a show! I just can't believe they are playing there.

Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 22:50:45 ET
Posted by: Me again, Yadda yadda yadda

Because I had mis-calculated the times, quite likely this explains the totally non-SD-related stuff that was being played during the time frame I thought was correct. What threw me off this morning was Deacon WAS played during "MY" time, but nothing else was SD- related. Sorry to everyone that is by now quite tired of seeing my silly and possibly annoying posts about "The Rarely Herd". That is all.


Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 22:18:05 ET
Posted by: JL, Rarely "Herd"

Ok, thanks! I think I see what I was doing wrong. Sorry about the confusion I may have caused anyone concerned.


Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 22:12:05 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St . Augustine Beach

John, what I just looked at the Radio Dupree schedule here:

Adjust the time to GMT-5 (which is EST)

Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 22:04:12 ET
Posted by: JL, LI

Right now it is 4:00 am in Sweden, according to The Live365 schedule says the next time is 10:00 AM for the Deacon. Is that not 6 hours from now, or 4:00 AM EST? What am I doing wrong? Please inform me.


Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 20:06:53 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

John, you might want to check your times (or I need to check mine). EST is GMT-5.

So, according to the schedule I printed off Live365, the next Deacon hours are, in Eastern time:

Wed: 2-3AM, 12noon-1PM, 10-11PM

Thursday: 8-9AM

Based on the earlier post, it sounds like you want to be there when the hour starts, to make sure you hear the WH version.

PGE, Neb and/or Siggy, please correct me if I am mistaken.


Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 19:52:16 ET
Posted by: JL, LI

Alas, upon closer examination of Radio Dupree's scheduled "SD related" hours, the one between 12 and 1 AM that just passed by, does not specifically say that they would play Woody's Deacon. And guess what?.. they didn't (see my earlier post). Their idea of SD-related stuff is quite comical, actually. Perhaps there are vague connections to SD in some of what they play. Whatever.

So, according to their "schedule", the only "definate" Woody Herman Deacon times are 4:00 AM to 5:00 AM Wed. morning EST (or the middle of the night tonight), and between midnight and 1:00 AM EST Thursday the 27th)

I hope this makes sense.


Date: Tues, January 25, 2011, 19:48:30 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Listening to Stern

Hello all... I haven't been here in quite some time. Stumbled upon this little nugget, and was suprised no one posted it yet. Was in the Wall Street Journal today, I believe. Sounds interesting. Cheers!

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