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Click for September 2003 BlueBook Entries
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August 2003 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: jw, baltimore, md.A late posting after the 27 august 2003 (nissan pavillion / bristow, va.) concert.
I feel very odd criticizing anything concerning donald fagen and walter becker.......but,
I'd like to add my voice those serious fans who are dissappointed that so little of the new album, EVERYTHING MUST GO, is being performed on this 2003 tour. Only "godwhacker", "slang of ages" and "things i miss the most" were included in last wednesday night's two sets.
Ironically, 5 tunes from AJA made the setlist; ["aja", "peg", "josie", "black cow", and "home at last"]
and 4 from THE ROYAL SCAM.
["kid charlemagne" "the caves of altimira" "sign in stranger", and "hatian divorce"]
In spite of my preference for more songs from EVERYTHING MUST GO, I was ecstatic just to see Mr. Fagen and Mr. Becker looking and performing so well. The band was in fine form, and I was delighted by some new background vocal augmentations.
Walter becker and Donald Fagen, in my humble opinion, are the greatest pop music RECORDING artists, EVER, and I'm happy that they are still making records and touring, period.
Also mention-worthy is the fact that Keith Carlock lived up to the praise that has been given him in the postings I've read at this website (in the Bluebook).His drum solo on "josie" just blew everyone away... i mean really!
Let's hope that there are more Steely Dan/Donald Fagen/Walter Becker studio recordings to come!!
Posted by: Randall, Mizar FiveGreetings,
Here are some of my Steely Dan mondegreens (mis-heard lyrics):
misheard: "Hello mon amour"
correct: "Hello one and all"
song: "King of the World"
misheard: "How was I to know about the warm sofas here, you've been keeping for years" correct: "How was I to know about the warm soulful secret..."
song: "I Got the News"
misheard: "sleep on the big Jamaican"
correct: "Sleep on the beach and make it"
song: "Josie"
misheard: "The coffee beans chair"
correct: "The comfy Eames chair"
song: "Things I Miss the Most"
Other funny mondegreen sites:
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/carroll/mondegreens.shtml
http://www.amiright.com/artists/steelydan.shtml
-Randall
Posted by: steelydoubt, related to my last post,
if you do have an idea for a flavor (with a witty dan related name) you could put it in this form.
http://www.benjerry.com/our_company/contact_us/forms/suggestion_intro.cfm
I hope to see "thirl wirled man" the next time i go the the seven eleven.
Posted by: steelydoubt, i just saw on aol that aol users can submit names for the new ben and jerrys flavor. i seem to remember some time ago we were coming up with steely dan related ice cream names, too bad the name for the new ice cream has to be election related.
Posted by: Doctor Wu, My leg II setlist:
- The Chant
- Aja
- Cousin Dupree
- Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
- Throw Back The Little Ones
- Slang of Angels
- Josie
- Parker's Band
- Rikki Don't Lose That Number
- Dirty Work
- Don't Take Me Alive
- The Steely Dan Show
- Pretzel Logic
- Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More
- The Last Mall
- Charlie Freak
- What a Shame about Me
- Home At Last
- ShowBiz Kids
- Reeling in the Years
- Everything Must Go
- My Old School
- Doctor Wu
- Bad Sneakers
Posted by: Randall, The ditch out in the valleyOleander,
I haven't seen anyone list "Lunch with Gina": "Coffee and a kiss..."
-Randall
Posted by: Randall, Alive and Feeling FineHello One and All,
I just got back from a very relaxing weekend "away from it all." Before I left civilization, I went to the Nissan show and had a blast. The weather was almost as amazing as the concert. I can't describe the evening any better than Oleander did, so I won't even try. Suffice it to say, it was awesome.
I also had the privilege of meeting some fine Danizens in person: Sam, Scotty, Alan (fanofdan) and Nancy...it was great to meet all of you! Hopefully our paths will cross again. Maybe when I visit Australia you'll return the favor by giving me an impromptu midnight "tour" of Sydney :).
Special thanks to Sam for putting together the "mini-Danfest" at the Battlefield Inn and for the nifty T-shirt. I'm very appreciative!
Scotty and Alan: I hope the rest of your trip is super-fine and you make it safely back home. Please have a VB (or 10) for me when you return to Oz.
See you at Roseland!
-Randall
Posted by: lucky henry, home@last(George: re: set list: see below)...
hello one and all,
Incredible performance last night in the Borgata ballroom. a few highlights...
Sat in fifth row left, in front of Herington who was phenomenal. He loves and absolutely wailed on the maple piece (a Sadowsky?) with perfection and grace. Played with feedback from an amp which he held ~30 secs before breaking into DTMA. Came out during the break to chat w/friends. Enjoyed a cold Heineken later.
Walt seemed really upbeat and more animated than usual. His vocals were excellent and are great on Haitian Divorce; video very entertaining. Parker's band rocks. Hope they keep these in the second tour leg.
Great profile view of Donald and his midi-"friends" - tussled hair on top and back, no white jacket. Sounded a bit tired. He isn't "messing up lyrics". He sometimes just provided a suggestion of the lyric and let the audience fill in the blanks. In doing so, he appears more interactive. when most of audience sang "retha frankin" he didn't say anything but extended his index finger toward the front center to someone who no doubt knew otherwise.
Luch With Gina was rolled out in place of TIMTM, otherwise same set list. not a bad Lunch for a first attempt. Crowd did a fine job singin along to new tunes.
drum solo was incredible; seemed longer than usual. Carlock later walked past us with some buddies into the hotel complex. nice going, dude!
took me 3 shows to realize that the whole band seems to be singing "the steely dan show", including cornelius who otherwise looked as stoic and pensive as Donald is expresssive. second set opener is a cute, fun tune that doesn't lose its cool in spite of flirting with being corny. just lay it all on don and walt.
Sound was apparently sublime from 22 rows ~center, I hear. Not so good closer to left - e.g., couldn't fully pick up Barney's bass, esp. on Lunch. There were some feedback issues early on but cleared up soon enough.
best word I can find to describe the spectacle was "different". Borgata full of characters right out of Steely Dan songs. Lots of nervous excitement. 60-somethings boogeying to Hey 19. Gaudy, overcrowded casino hotel with exquisite evening profile that melts in to the sky, and a tacky neon "Borgata" sign above the top floor to ruin the effect. Glittering neon ads everywhere juxtaposing depressed housing projects, perpetual construction and lost souls. AC has some serious issues.
"cool audience. cool little gig," (WB, omitting the prviously-used modifier),
lh
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CTOK-the Leg II setlist debate. I'm not actually going to list what the sets should look like-you KNOW my pet peeve about complaining about what's done or not done. However, having seen the band live for 9 years now, there are some I've never heard and would love to.
Your Gold Teeth ( I & II)
Show Biz Kids
New Frontier (D.F.)
On the Dunes (D.F.)
Surf and or Die (W.B.)
The Fez
Pretzel Logic
That's all I'll ask for at this time. Thanks!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynBy the way, Katy is Josie - the use of "crucified" provides a clue to "prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire," ie, the Romans who crucified Christ. Unless you think Roman with her eyes on fire means she looks like a Versace model or something.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynInteresting! Laszlo Kovacs is the name of the character Jean-Paul Belmondo plays in Godard's film breathless. B&F's lyrical style borrows immensely from Fellini, Godard and Antonioni. I haven't had the patience to undertake the project but I am sure if you slough through Antonioni's films scene by scene you will find them verbally described in some or other songs.
Posted by: AH, MeSoWise said: "In St. Paul on 08/07 I'd <I>swear</I> Walt intro'd a keyboard player who was not TB. Any ideas? He played all the TB parts (mostly piano, moved to Rhodie, etc when DF roamed) but I was listening for Ted's name & it was something different."
You remember correctly. Walt did introduce someone else. However, it was TB playing. Walter seemed to be amusing himself that evening. I can't remember the exact names that he used, but for both Ted Baker and Michael Leonhart he introduced them with names taken from classic cinema. The names, or parts thereof that I recall are: Antonioni, Fellini, (and maybe part of the name Lazlo Kovacs).
AH
Posted by: Little Wild One, the travel deskDear Scotty, Alan and Sam,
Thanks for a great night, mates! Instead of the top shelf Mexican I was headed for, including the proverbial pool of margaritas, I got half-baked pizza and margs-in-a-bucket....but I WAS happy to hear that everyone made their connection!
Beers in the back of a bus until 6 am? What a way to end two weeks of Dan Karma!
Looking forward to the post show report...and then of course,
Babylon Turnpike, TAKE IT!! (Sadly for us...)
XOXOX from your pal!
P.S. That clicking sound you here is SOH snapping....
Posted by: oleander, plenty of javaSo far so good....
1. "plenty of java/And Chesterfield Kings" The Nightfly
2. "we'll sit in my kitchen babe/And drink lots of coffee babe/We'll begin just where you left off" Confide in Me
3. "I'll brew up some decaf" TIS
There's another one....
Posted by: George , Harford County MDWhat was the set list for Atlantic City? Could anyone tell me? Thanks
Posted by: Scotty, Alan & Sam , SyracuseG'Day All,
Trying to use the ineractive TV web service, which sucks big time !
Having a few quiet ones after a huge night which saw us drinking beer in the back of a bus till 6am. We got booted from the bar around 1am.
Off to the fair in an hour or so, to see if we can find any of the band members wandering around munching on cotton candy.
Tonight is the 5th and final show for us before the long flight home tomorrow.
If there are any new surprises, we will try and fire this TV thing-a-me up again and post later.
SouthOfHollywood and LWO - Thanks for the logistical co ordination last night If Sam got himself a cell phone we would not have needed phone hook ups from NY to CA to TX to NY !
More later
Cheers,
Scotty, Alan & Sam
Posted by: Gretchen, Ok, here's my idealized setlist for Leg 2:
Cubano Chant
Aja (always)
Pixeleen
Dr Wu
Green Earrings
What a shame about me
Green Book
Night by Night or Don't take me alive
Black Cow
Sign in Stranger
West of Hollywood
Haitian Divorce
Parker's Band
East St. Louis Toodle-oo
Kid Charlemagne
Home at Last
Glamour Profession or Babylon Sisters
Lunch With Gina
Monkey in your Soul
Bad Sneakers (Roseland please)
Royal Scam
Book of Liars
Pretzel Logic
Goodbye Look
Josie or Daddy don't live in NYC no more (for Roseland, especially)
Anything for an encore, even if it's the theme from "Mr. Softee!"
Have wonderful and safe Labor Day weekend all!
Posted by: Gretchen, relaxing with my tea in CTStrolled by the Roseland Ballroom yesterday just to whet the appetite for 9/12. Cannot wait, everyone comtemplating this MUST GO! I also think I encountered a real life Pixeleen at Balthazaar last night..she was seated next to me on one of those banquettes. "Like, my boyfriend and me, like spent 10 days in this hotel and like we left one day and came back to tiny footprints in the bathtub! Ewwwwww and then my watch was gone, it was totally cooool and then he bought me this awesome one.....etc etc"
Honeybun-sorry I missed you, I got home quite late. We'll catch up early in the week. By the way, I ordered the tape, I should have by Tuesday, we'll compare notes! I just hope I can figure out how to play.
Posted by: DACW , Leg Up!!!Leg II Idealized Setlist:
Set I
Cubana Chant
Aja
Time Out of Mind
Pixeleen
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Green Book
GodWhacker
Everything Must Go
Home at Last
Set II
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Lunch With Gina
Haitian Divorce
Things I Miss the Most
Dr. Wu
Josie
The Fez
Your Gold Teeth II
Encore:
FM
Don't Take Me Alive
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njjust got in,
borgata last nite- LUNCH WITH GINA- this really rocks live,
and the band seems into it- DF really moved around during this #;
most people didnt know it, and were confused, cos it sounded great!
i think of DF during the 74 record plant version of *king of the world*: "cooking!"
previous posts mention the sound- it was cleared up by second set-
nice venue- ads mentioned sellout- but there were rows of empty seats; holds less than 3000 people. most people sat, some danced- security was on them ASAP- until the last two #s, then everyone was up.
im wiped- was out all night- but highlights include:
during slang, walter: : "this is atlantic city, right? if you can get slanged anywhere, it's here!"
walter, again: "this is the coolest gig of the tour, this is the coolest audience!" surprised NOT to hear what a great f** audience;
carlock really impressed my musician friends- as did pugh- you have to be cool to play trombone like that! cornelius is oldschool cool, mr. slick; the women were hot- loved them! (we were close- started out in 13th row-little schmooze of the confused event staff got us up to 5th row- anyone who gambled at the borgata pre/post knew the staff, at least the dealers, were shaky- place was packed!)
all in all, great night- band was tight, but not tired; DF looked
not 100%- i cant help but think 1. he's dying, and this is the last tour, or 2. his stage persona, of the old befuddled rock star, trotting out the hits, is some giant inside joke between him and WB
(who should leave haitian divorce alone- great to hear this and caves live)wasnt much of an exodus during slang- it was cool that people hung around;
roseland is a definite possibility- couldnt see it [entertain it]until last night, but the thought of them adding pixeleen or green book, along with LWG, intrigues me!
later,
mikem
lbi, nj
Posted by: Q, Lunchin with GinaTIMTM out
Gina in
yahoo!
Posted by: Bodacious Cowgirl, still reelin'Hey everyone! I haven't visited for a couple o' years--glad to see the GB is still kicking. Finally made it back from the Borgata, which is only about 20 min. from my humble abode; made a pit stop at my local haunt; saw some friends; one martini magically turned into 3, you know how it goes... But WOW, what a fun show--Lunch w/ Gina was an awesome surprise! At my first listen to EMG, that is one of the tracks that stood out for me. I went to the Camden show last Sat., and didn't expect any set changes. The sound was quite muddled at first, but improved as the show went on. Fez off to Carlock and Herrington!!! I was considering Roseland in 2 weeks, but trying to talk myself out of it just for the sake of not spending a bunch of $, but all that nonsense be damned--that's what AMEX is for! Hope to meet up with some of you fine folks at the Le Bar Bat wing ding, or whatever...
Peace out,
BC
Posted by: Raise up your glass, to a change in the set listGETTING READY FOR ROSELAND!!!!!!!!!!
Tonite (yesterday) Set 2
The Bogota in Atlantic City, NJ
Things I Miss The Most---OUT!
Lunch With Gina--IN!!
More More More More....PLEASE!
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home At LastBuzz..............you're killing me....y'all had Lunch?!?!?!
Awesome....hopefully that holds out until October...
DFD
Posted by: Buzz, Through WithJust back from Borgata.....Three words:
Lunch With Gina
I'm Bustin'! What a show.
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home At LastHey ...AGNG...are you going to the Concord show as well...I see you mention Oct 4th a bit below...
We'll have to have a true Danfest for that show all Bay Areans +... The Konocti logistics and 100 degreee heat I think made it a bit difficult.
Looking forward to the gig...and hoping I win the lottery before the Maui show!
DFD
Posted by: MeSoWise, MNEB - "That was probably Bill Charlap... "
I had that thought, too, but I don’t think it was Bill either. I think WB said his name (first or last?) was Alexander but I'm not positive.
Regardless, the show, like all of 'em this tour the way it sounds, was incredible. Starting with Aja(!) makes a great statement about whether or not this band can cut classic SD. That just blows me away...
I know there's a long collective wish list for the setlist, but was anyone else surprised that they're not doing Gina? It seems like a natural for this band. Saved for the 2nd leg?
Pls forgive the rambling...
Posted by: Eric, San Diego, CaliforniaThat was probably Bill Charlap. He was a guest performer, according to the official steely dan website, as well as the other keyboardist on EMG.
EB
Posted by: MeSoWise, MNK - this has been buggin me... In St. Paul on 08/07 I'd <I>swear</I> Walt intro'd a keyboard player who was not TB. Any ideas? He played all the TB parts (mostly piano, moved to Rhodie, etc when DF roamed) but I was listening for Ted's name & it was something different.
'preciate ya.
Posted by: Honeybun, Gretchen: sorry I didn't see you at the Greenroom. Another day, perhaps....Hope you had fun in NY.
HB
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.We're going to get a surprise.
Posted by: Zim, Since there seems to be so much enjoyment drawn from debates here at the Bluebook, how about registering your opinions as to set lists for the second leg? Going to the Oakdale show which starts off the 2nd leg, and wondering if we'll hear something different than we did at Great Woods. Comments? Zim
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Harvey - the second line doesn't scan well with the tempo, can we get corraboration on this from anyone?
Posted by: Harvey, Great show last night as previously reported. The crowd was just about soldd out and was very enthusiastic! Standing O's, going crazy and LOUD after many songs and the band loved it. Also, Becker changed the lyrics a bit on "Slang of Ages", as follows:
"These tabs look iffy, you say they're fine
Let's roll with the homeys and have a real good time"
...very effective, I liked it that way better than on the album! Has he done that anywhere else on the ttour?
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "These Tabs look "Iffy!"Senseless Ditty! (Original,though!)
Yes,I've spent ALL DAY in the "Kingdom of Dan"
Stroking these keys,
Fool that I am!
Searching the Web,without much of a plan-
Taking the day off from getting a Tan!
The whites of my eyes are embedded with Pixels
No Second Thoughts that the dinner I'll fix'll
Be "Sad Cuisine",consumed in front of a Monitor!
If not appealing, I guess I'll just vomit or-
Hit the Backbrowser,play another MIDI
An check out what's Happenin
With my "Cousin Dupree!"
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "Is it Really Monday?"MHL: "We cut to this Blonde,dancing on a mirror."
("We Tap to this line,Dancing on a mirror.")
Posted by: Laina, the stranger signs inBecker: “Certainly, the characters in the title song are celebrating the end of the old thing and perhaps the beginning of the new. That kind of, ‘End of the world office party.’ I think of it basically as a party record.”
Fagen: “The last office party.”
Becker: “Secretaries jumping up on the office copy machine.”
Fagen: “Did you see that movie, Secretary, by the way?”
Becker: “I missed that.”
Fagen: “It was called Secretary. It came out last year. It was on a pay channel. Kind of a bondage-and-discipline movie. Usually I don't go for that stuff, but this was kind of interesting.”
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That's hilarious. Talk about goin' way off topic, LOL.
Lainalove
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njheaded out the door to the borgata- mere keystrokes cannot convey the excitement! will check in with a report tomorrow!
august 30th FINALLY!!!!
mikem
lbi, nj
Posted by: God , "I was real impressed with Donald's nerve. Imagine having the brass balls to sing "Godwhacker" under a tin roof, surrounded by electrical equipment, when lightening bolts were already striking within twenty feet or so."
Sometimes I miss...or actually distracted by the superlative drums and Rhodes...
Posted by: Roy.Scam, VirginiaOleander~ Splendid description of the evening at Manassas, August 27. Made me feel as if I was right there with you. Oh wait! I was right there with you. Well, thanks for putting down the words to help me mentally re-create it in case, some day, in a fit of senility, I forget what a day and night it was. -- I'm so glad I talked you into this trip.
If anyone is sitting on the fence about attending the Dan 2003 tour, don't listen to that cautious, frugal, inner self. Plead, threaten or trick yourself into it. Get up in your own face if necessary. I myself, was indecisive: The expense, the mileage, the abandonment of other matters of importance, the exhaustion and anticlimax of the next day's return to work. Not to mention the previously unknown deterrents such as drowning and simultaneous electrocution by multiple converging lightning bolts. But my friend Oleander saved me from that bugabear mentality with her gift for organizing forays and her enthusiastic style of persuasion. And now I won't have to hate myself for missing an irreplaceable experience. And now I won't also have to hate those among you who have had the good fortune to make a stop on this tour.
WHAT I DID THIS AUGUST 27TH
As fezo and ole described, the WHETHURR (That's the worst spell of weather we've had around here in a long time) was real, real bad for a while there. Earlier, I'd spent 4 hours driving through a perfect pastoral day in my convertible with the top down; then when we started heading for Manassas, it instantly became wrath-of-God, last-20-minutes-of-Ghostbusters, meteorological mayhem. How bad was the storm? We're talking lightning bolts with 10 to 20 tributaries slashing from Mars to the core of the earth in no-point-no seconds. Even Danfans on the way to a Dan concert appeared momentarily distracted. The Audi we were in was nearly split into two separate T's. But the distraction only prevailed through the most flagrantly life-threatening crashes, then group reverie was restored.-- One of the evening's highlights was when we approached the pavilion and the loudspeaker was repeating the message, 'If you're not within the gates, you are advised to return to your vehicle until the worst of the storm subsides." along with some mumbling about the National Weather Service and it's prophylactic warnings. This was a highlight for me because I don't remember a single person turning back or even slowing down. These were Steely Dan fans on what might be a final pilgrimage. What possible PA announcement could turn back that crimson tide? The bad weather lasted through the first third of the show and neither the audience nor the players experienced dampened enthusiasm; the storm kind of came off as a really elaborate light show. In all honesty, I was real impressed with Donald's nerve. Imagine having the brass balls to sing "Godwhacker" under a tin roof, surrounded by electrical equipment, when lightening bolts were already striking within twenty feet or so.
Any description of the concert I might offer would probably sound like Cinquegenarian babbling, but don't be misled by my verbal limitations, they were sensational! This group of musicians is ... Shit! I don't have any words to convey it. Just trust me. If you don't see them, you're a lame ass. (Sorry, sometimes it's necessary to become abrasive; it's for your own good.)
Perhaps I'll try to do commentary on the concert later, but Oleander did it about as well as possible. Thanks to Ole and Fezo and Dave for a great time. Sorry I missed Bill and the Australians, but it was good to see Hutch again. When a musician of his caliber is raving, you know you're hearing primo stuff.
Don't deliberate. Just go.
RS
Posted by: nam, interesting article:
http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_everything_groove/index.htm
Posted by: nam,
Posted by: Scotty, Saratoga SpringsHoops, thanks for the offer of sorting us out with the GM mugs/caps.
I've been hassling the guy who wouldn't give us one at Jones Beach, because we were Australian. I've tracked him down at every show and tonight he finally relented ! He said "Oh just fill out a bogus form and take one". So now we have the mug. I told him I will hunt him down at Syracuse for the cap and he said, OK - you win.
So thanks very much for the offer, but I've managed to nag him into submission !!!
Cheers,
Scotty
Posted by: Scotty & Alan, Saratoga SpringsG'Day all,
Just back from the show at SPAC. What a night !!
We walked through the gates and almost walked straight into Tom Barney. He was walking around the crowd and no one recognised him !! Except us, that is, so we talked to him for a while and gave him one of those koala's we were giving out at the Jones Beach danfest which he promptly attached to his lanyard. Very cool.
SPAC is simply beautiful. Set in a national park, with streams running right through the venue, it is a stunning location for a concert.
Yet another lightening storm. Donald asked if we had all been "cleansed" by the rains.
No change to the set list. The sound was spot on tonight.
Get this guys. When Ted Baker began his intro solo on My Old School, Donald yells into the microphone "Go you big bitch !" Cracked us up.
Sitting in the business centre at the Hilton in Saratoga Springs and one other lunatic is in here with us. He is printing out some horse racing data. Just started to talk to him and he was at the show as well. In fact, we are sitting with mjrr dude who posts on the yellow !!! Isn't it a small steely world ?
We have ditched our travel agents sad itinary and will bus it direct from Saratoga Springs to Syracuse instead of cab from Saratoga to Albany, fly from Albany to Newark, then fly from Newark to Syracuse.
We have drunk the hotel dry of Heineken and need to make an alternative selection, so will sign off now.
Hopefully, we can post something from the State Fair.
Cheers,
Scotty & Alan
Posted by: steelydoubt, i decided to play a tape today and after i turned off the tape i decided to turn on the radio, and to my suprise, Time out of Mind was playing. But it was way diffrent from the one i have, the instruments were way more defined and teh guitar solo was in the left channel. intresting.
Posted by: LiveWire, Kitchen ConfidentialOleander --
"We'll sit in my kitchen, babe.
We'll drink lots of coffee, babe.
You'll begin just where you left off..."
...or something like that.
Unless Fagen is singing, "We'll sit in my kitchen, Dave."
:-)
Posted by: Mo Leisure, ".....an then,BABOOM, I remember.....!"another MisHeard: "A world become one,days of Salingers son!"
(Only,things aren't always what they a "Pierre" to be are they?
Re EMG-yeah,Boogie would actually work well with the narrative thread! I always see the "sunrise" as being rather weak and watery, un unwelcome intrusion signifying that the party's DEFINITELY over,but the guy n his cronies will probably find another one if they can "Get lucky twice!"
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "Anachronistic,but nice!"Finding "TheDan" in unlikely places
I recently read a new novel entitled "Black Maps",by peter Spiegelman. Basically,it's a "White Collar Crime Thriller,if I had to categorize. Wonder if the authors somewhat of a Fan,based on hos references to the "Illustrious Dan!"
For instance,early in the novel his protagonist refers to ".....putting on a Steely Dan disc-music to (sic) launder money by."
Later in the novel,he refers to a lunch meeting with a colleague in a bar in NYC called "The Black Cow." (Real Place,or another nod?)
Still later,he has Breakfast at "Rose Darlings".
...and finally,towards the end of the novel,he starts a sentence by saying:"In the corner of my eye!"
It was a pleasant surprise for me to find these little Bon Mots,kind of like in a film,when one Director will "Quote" another! I thought it was pretty cool!
Posted by: thefez98, BostonSpeaking of misheard lyrics, off the current EMG album how many folks thought the line near the end of EMG is "Now it's time for us to boogie" (It's actually "Now it's time for us to book it").
Posted by: Pam, on the lamDig your name, DDD! Maybe now, maybe never is my own inside joke. Hubby heard Lunch with Gina and said, hey that line sounds like you except you say maybe now, maybe never.
Meali, you're the bomba.
Posted by: Laina, blasting the Steely for all the returning studentsBill, where can I find this World Cafe interview you speak of? Can it be found on the site worldcafe.com or something?
Lainalove
Posted by: DigDanDug, GroovetimeHardly a word about coffee from the gang, just retsina, Tanqueray, Cuban breezes and tea.
Hey Pam - isn't it "Maybe later, maybe never"?
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, Cali"Sick Fruity Bitches Summer Intermezzo"
Wanna be havin Warren Krueger in my band
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
Poppi's in the corner with a retsina stand
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
In the caves of Altamira there a picture of a boo
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
Why in live performance Ron no sing Doctor Wu?
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
Ridin in the car with the Kid Charlemagne
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
Don't tell Keith Jarrett it'll be a fucken pain
Hip diddy diddy, hip diddy doo
Words and music by Cringemaker Lopez, Don Carlos Miguel Santamaria San Jose Rodriguez Gulliermo, and Meal Reviewer
Noticia: For best results, play in triadic chord structure, with two intervals superimposed over a root tone.
Posted by: lucky henry,
ole: thank you for saying so. having so many shows in a days' drive has kept me close to home, and sizzlin like an isotope.
I've been to 15 shows overall, but the anticipation for tomorrow's bacchanal at the Borgata has been building all week. we're counting down the hours now...
lh
Posted by: Pam, Maybe now or maybe neverHow about "I'll brew up some decaf" in Trans-Island Skyway. Not sure if decaf really counts as coffee...isn't the caffeine the point?
Posted by: oleander, I wait all night for calls like theselucky henry--hey man, bummed I won't see you at any shows this round. Yes, "The Nightfly," with "I've got plenty of java/And Chesterfield Kings."
What other coffee songs are there?
Posted by: Jaco, UKHoneybun/Gretchen
I picked up that video a coupla years ago on Ebay. Was worth it, just to see Bernhardt and Fagen jam together! Hope you both enjoy it! (When you find yours Gretchen ;) )
I'd love to see a DVD of the Dan from the 03 tour. Since we poor British have been shafted and deemed not danfanly enough to have our own leg 'o' the tour.
It's a pain that never ends.
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: Lonniethekingpin, Dan CentralHey kids,
What's with all the aggression I say a few days ago? What's with RCray and his cronies? I think we all need to just relax, chill at the Manatee Bar, get RCray his Zoloft prescription and some Zombies to warsh it down with, and enjoy the Dan. See ya in NYC for TWO "glory days" at Roseland!!!!
Keep it real -- or whatever.
Lonnie
Posted by: Aunt Faye, Long IslandThanks for the heads-up about the contest on 104.3. I was all set (with two phones nearby), and the thing was easy (they played three songs with "work" themes). Only prob was that today's prize was two tickets for Crosby, Stills, & Nash! No thanks...I can only get my rush from Steely (ooh!) Don and Walt.
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleScotty & Alan: Your posts have been so f-ing funny, keep 'em comin'! I'm just sorry I (and maybe a few of the other poster's here) won't be able to hook up with you to enjoy a DanFest/show. Bummer, indeed.
If you ever get out here to the Emerlad City, please look us up, the beers here are splended!
I didn't see a post responding as to why the guys won't do Dr. Wu live. Anyone care to enlighten and elaborate?
SueDave/onlyafool (and anyone else who wants to hook up with us): My e-mail is also above; e-me at your convenience. I'm out of town until next Tuesday. If you're wondering what googoowear is, that's my web business that keeps me up nights. LOL! I sell (get this) infant & toddler clothing in alternative colors; the black garments sell like crazy! You'd think I'd be better off with just one job but I just can't quit the day gig.
I hope everyone in the bluebook has a wonderful and safe Labor Day weekend!
Posted by: Bird Lives, TorontoDave (The Mohel),
When I saw your nickname (brackets above) I was hoping that it was related to the misheard lyrics. Perhaps you are a whole new genre of Steely Dan Fan!! Oy indeed!
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghI heard a little bit of the World Cafe interview last evening. From the World Cafe website it looks like it was a repeat, so it may not be on again. Did anyone tape it? They talk about Jerome Ainton at length and play his legendary introduction at Santa Monica.
Once again, Walter plays the wisecracking smartass to Donald's brooding cynic. I still think they could be a great comedy team if they'd learn not to say "ya know" so much.
Posted by: Scotty & Alan, Saratoga SpringsG'Day all,
Interesting past 2 days we just had. The Nissan show was mind blowing. Seemed the whole band cut loose and let rip. Herington was on fire and Carlock's drum solo got a standing ovation even before he was half way through it.
And rain ! We were soaked to the skin, lightening going off every few seconds, but we had a ball.
Yesterday we arrived at Lake George. Our travel agent in Sydney said it wasn't far from SPAC. Yeah right ! Spent the day tooling around Lake George and trying to scam a room in Saratoga Springs. Everything is booked out because of the holiday weekend but we hit the jackot this morning. We are now checked out of Lake George and checked into the Hilton in Saratoga Springs. About 2 blocks away from SPAC.
FREE internet access at the Hilton, so we might wander down for the sound check and report back if we hear anything not currently in the set list.
Had a great "Instant Danfest" at the Battlefield Inn, Mannasas. The staff even put on a free buffett for us.
Randall - nice wheels man.
Nancy - Loved the Iggi's photo's
And Pam, even though we did not get to meet you, we really appreciate the gift. Thank you.
Sam - We will be travelling to Syracuse by greyhound bus tomorrow, arriving at about 4.30pm so don't sweat it when you are late to leave home (which you will be).
Danfiend, LWO, SouthOfHollywood - Wish you guys were here with us, but glad in a way as we can recover from the alcholic poisoning we all got in NYC.
Cheers for now
Scotty & Alan
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Still...But then again, the people I saw with the cameras may have only been there for the purpose of projecting the show up onto the giant monitors...Don't want to get the hopes up too high just yet...SOH
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Jonesin' for more...Eric...Don't know for a fact if any of the concert footage is being compiled for a DVD (or an HBO-esque special perhaps?) but I do know that I sat directly behind someone who filmed the entire show at Jones Beach (he blocked many of Herington's blistering solos as I had to do much rubber-necking to watch him) as well as seeing a mobile cameraman working the stage from the wings...We can only hope!...SOH
Posted by: Gretchen, Angel, thanks for the info-I'm ordering the video today. I may even have to have it shipped overnight.
Dave-I keep picturing Susan St.James, too! As far as misheard lyrics, "Teahouse on the Tracks" is full of them. I won't even get into what I thought it heard, it's way too funny!
12 days to Oakdale, 2 weeks to Roseland! 52nd streets a junction!
Posted by: Shaun, Bostoneric- Good question. This band is so good it should be documented on tape. I would love to see a pay-per-view or some kind of tv special.
My friend in philly just called and and told me that his wife is sick and can't make the show in Atlantic City. Guess who's taking her place? ME! Say's he's got great seats as well. Hey, it's only like a 6 or 7 hour drive from here. Can't wait!
Roseland...less than 2 weeks!!!
Posted by: eric, Are any of the EMG live shows being recorded for DVD release?
Posted by: Dave, The MohelThis mis-heard lyric thread is really funny, as always. This isn't as good as the others, but hayda!
From King of The World, "I can't be no savage, I can't be no hardware man."
From Josie, "Shine up the candleabra"
This isn't so much a misunderstood lyric as it is a mis-visualized one. Whenever I listen to Green Book and Donald sings, "The new cashier looks like Jill St. John, I keep picturing Susan St. James. Someone please cure me of this malady.
Hoops, what happened to the Slang me clips from Boston?
We got your skeevy girl, here at the Western World.
Oy.
Dave
Posted by: angel, Gretchen: Amazon.com has the Fagen Video. I bought it a few months ago and it is worth the money to see Donald work his magic on the the keys....
That Aja shot, yeah! ;-)
Posted by: Gretchen, workHoneybun, work does suck indeed. The life of a mortgage broker is distressing at times. Thank God for Labor Day and a 3 day weekend. A chat tomorrow night sounds good. I will be going into NYC for the day to check out the Beckman exhibit at MOMA but will be home later in the evening. Tango down to the smoky lobby...see you in the green room!
Posted by: Honeybun, Good luck getting the video. It would be very cool indeed to meet up with other like minded people in the environment we all love, it does get frustrating at times. But you'll enjoy the gig no matter what, that's for sure!
I was hoping to Have a proper chat tonight but found out I have work tomorrow morning! Maybe tomorrow night. Work sucks!
HB
Posted by: Gretchen, Honeybun-
I've been trying to order that myself. I am progressing very slowly teaching myself piano-I've been trying for 2 years and end up playing around with the bloody keyboard creating gibberish! Definitely need help. How I wish you could come to the US and attend Roseland with me! We'd have such a time!
Rajah-go ahead, be Meali's campaign manager. Having a Steely tribute band leader as Gov would be better than the Terminator. Yikes! Bring back Jerry Brown!
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.The outpouring of love in Meali's general direction gives one pause and should make us all wonder whether he'd consider a run for California recall governorship. He is a great communicator, after all. I would worry about what Barna might do to the governor's mansion, though, and they're all kind of accident-prone.
Posted by: YGK, NYCHoops: did you leave me a message this morning?
I'm here now
ygk
Posted by: Honeybun, Gretchen: I saw that pic in the 'Aja' liner notes. I thought it was funny because it is so uncharacteristic of Don, posing with the shirt off, lol.
P.S Gretchen, guess what I managed to get my hands on?.... The 'concepts for jazz rock piano' instructional video by Don!! Ironically, I was at work when it got delivered today so I have to pick it up from the postal sorting office later but I can't wait to see what he has to say in it. That thing is so hard to find but 'Blackstar' finally tracked down a copy for me.
Posted by: dbeefy, high in the custard, oh. Would just like to add my 2 pence/cents worth - Meal, you are the shit, please keep posting. Meal slaggers, how about a sense of humour and some tolerance?
Diolch yn fawr.
dbeefy
Posted by: Gretchen, far from the tick and smoke of the city....Honeybun, I think that pic must have been from the 80's, judging by the dark hair and eyebrows. No one really looked great in that horrible decade. Also, Mr. Fagen does not look confident in that picture, thus making it less than flattering. He is at his most confident when playing or in the studio, or with Walt or other bandmembers. Being famously shy, he was out of his element there and that's why he doesn't look like the Don we both love so dearly. He is one of those guys who looks even better as he gets older, thus the Don of today. (Although, there's a very sexy pic in the Aja liner notes of him back in those days, shirtless, posing with his dog).
Posted by: Honeybun, Re: Balanes's post
"Here is a creepy picture of Donald Fagen:
http://www.willlee.com/scrapbook.php?os=36&ti=52&next=1"
'Tis indeed a very frightening picture taken with Will Lee!!
Check those lips!
HB
Posted by: RCray, NYCYeah I guess I was a little harsh. I take it back meal.
I will just ignore posts which I cannot comprehend.
Post on Meal!
You're right as well hoops...you pay for it so you should run the show.
Regards,
RCRAY
Posted by: Big Fan, it's a great day to go to a SD showGaucho SACD Release:
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12737878
Gearing up at the Borgata - AC is nice for sure, but we'll miss you tonight at the SPAC as well Hoops:
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/atlantic/082903PREVIEW.html
Review of the Nisson show - still the greatest boot ever made:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62305-2003Aug28.html
The Bronner Family pledges to continue to responsibly produce the fine ecological soaps you have loved and lathered with for over 50 years, while sharing our profits with our workers and worthwhile causes worldwide.
Charitable Actions
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In 1998, just before Jim Bronner passed away (Dr. Bronner’s son, master chemist and President of the company for 5 years), we gave away Dr. Bronner’s beloved rain-forest, a land grant of over 1000 acres, to the Boys & Girls Club of San Diego County, California. Underprivileged children can now camp under the stars within sight of Mt. Palomar which is often mentioned in the Moral ABC.
In the early 80's this soap was only available at health food type stores - at least around here. It was one of a very few bio degradable soaps - so it was first discovered by backpackers. Certainly it was the only thing I bought in a health food shop at that time - what no pizza or beer?
Wouls I consider ever trying it again - possibly - but I found out I was allergic to liquid soaps about three years ago - Dr's tried everything to figure out why I kept breaking out all over. Finally a business trip - no liquid soap and I didn't break out. Now I have to use Dove - deoderant and fragrence free ... I'm sure this stuff would be fine.
http://www.drbronner.com/soaps.html
Posted by: Laina, lost in the barrioThere are two kinds of trolls on messageboards/guestbooks. There are those who come on to antagonize others, stir up isht and just cause trouble and nastiness. There are also those trolls who just post random, silly babblings that are so ridiculous that ya can't help but laugh (or roll your eyes and keep scrolling). Meali seems to be one of the trolls in the latter category, and I ain't mad at him for it!! He's funny and adds some silliness to this board, which I think is necessary at times. (I especially love his names for the Dan--STEE DAN, STEEVI DO *lmao*) If ya really don't like him or his posts, keep scrolling or click the X. As long as he's not cussing folks out or consistently bringing disquiet to the board, hey...live 'n' let post.
The freaks come out at night.
Lainalove
Posted by: Adding my 2 sense, I don't make the rules up here and I'm apparently in the minority, but I gotta side with RCray and Bounty Hunter. If I wanted to waste my time reading or scrolling through nonsense, I'd be at the Yellow Book. What the hell is so entertaining about a bunch of multi-lingual gibberish? I suppose I can scroll, but fortunately up until this point I haven't had to do that too much here.
Posted by: suedave, the emerald cityRoseDarling & onlyafool: Fremont works for me. My email is above. Maybe we can entice some of the other locals to join us.
Didn't they move the Red Door so that they could build something corporate on the main drag? Ah, the 90's. So over the top.
Gretchen: I love the dr. bonners peppermint soap. I use it all the time.
I always love reading Meal Reviewer when I'm in need of a dose of silliness. Some days I can't get enough. Lighten up peepil!
Posted by: John Ashcroft, 35 sweet goodbyes Hey, WAIT! I'M in charge of censorship here!!! Who wants to spend a year in questioning without benefit of an attourney, not even Geraldo?
Posted by: lucky henry, in the Catbird Seatoleander: I've got plenty of Java.
lh
Posted by: oleander, lay it all on don & waltHey all--I am suffering SEVERELY from post-Manassas bliss. WHAT A NIGHT! (I quote)
We had a nice old-school GB miniDanFest with Roy.Scam, fezo, the Permasqueeze, & me. As usual, I wore Steely-themed garb--having to do with coffee & New Orleans (OK: where is coffee mentioned in SD songs?) After a mellow hang and scrumptious preconcert repast expertly prepared by chef fezo, we piled in the Permmobile and headed to the venue. It was a perfect, cloudless late summer evening. Of course, as we got closer, we drove smack into desperate and dark clouds and tornado-force winds which morphed further into the god-awful-scariest thunderstorm in recent memory. Zeus must have been hitting the uppers hard, and his hurling hand was hot, hot, hot. I was not sanguine on our ability to make it to the show, but despite being soaked to the bone and sure of eventual electrocution, we bravely made it in. And found Hutch and friends--great to see you! I hope the move and gigs go great--and shark deville, straight outta Tampa. The lightning continued to enhance the visuals onscreen for quite a while, and R.S commented that the setlist should be amended to include “Chain Lightning.”
The start was delayed a bit while everyone’s adrenaline rush edged off, but no sooner did the lights dim than the endorphins started to spike. We had lovely center orch seats and could see everyone quite vividly. What a rush when the band walked on and started to play! It was as noted earlier--they were saying: we’re going to fucking pin your ears back, so get used to it. This was my first and next-to-last show of the tour, and when Mr. F & Mr. B walked on (without shaking hands this time), I was just a bag of morphine-analog gel. Damn, I’d go to a HUNDRED shows, and I wouldn’t care if they played “Peg” ten times in a ROW!
Except for an occasional feedback squeak, the sound was very good. The set list has been posted. At first, I was a little dubious about the down-tempo treatment of “Babylon Sisters” and a couple of other first-set tunes, but “Godwhacker” KICKED and the entire second set SLAMMED. The energy and synergy were dynamite. Mr. B was splendid on lead, and his “Haitian Divorce” made me wonder why he didn’t sing it in the first place. He place-tweaked “Slang” with “If you grew up in Washington…” And he gave us “Slang me!“ Mr. F’s voice and delivery were at their inimitable best. I just go all to pieces when he sings, “Give the man some whackin’ space” (among other things). He also did some amazing things on the Rhodes, the Lync, and even the Goofus, Mr.B’s fond moniker for the melodica (wind piano? Diamonica? Melodeon?), and is nonpareil as a bandleader. He’s starting to look kinda like Dave Brubeck, which is not a bad thing. Yeah, he misses a couple words. So what? There’s a lot of call and (audience) response going on anyway.
And the other musicians: Walt Weiskopf has great tone and chops; Michael Leonhart--calm and crisp and strong; Jim Pugh--all the trombone jokes burnt to a crisp in the flames of his riffs; Mr. Bumpus--that immovable exterior belies the perfection and grace of his solos; Jon Herington looks like a young Lou Reed and plays like an angel on aphrodisiacs; Tom Barney--he IS the pocket; and Keith Carlock--omigod, he is a DIAMOND. Even the superlatives of the Fandom didn’t prepare me. I can usually tell where a drum solo is going, but on “Josie” he deconstructed me like a Braque. I also think he’s superbly suited for the Dan with his precise but passionate creativity. And Ted Baker--I wanted to go up, take his hand, and ask him to play solo for me for 3 or 4 hours. I’d love to hear him ply his lyrical virtuosity as he did in the intro to “Josie” in ‘00.
OK, I miss Victoria Cave, and still think the vocal mesh of the Babe Choir ‘00 can’t be matched, but the BC delivered on “Parker’s Band,” and they were steady ON the entire show. “Shake it” went to a whole nother level. Fezo summed it up when he said that looking at Ms. Leonhart made him feel that all was right with the world.
Oh yes, and Mr. Fagen ended with "See you next time!" whatever that means.
Enough raves already. I’m home, richer by a few t-shirts and a poster and another headful of magnificent Steely memories. My shoes have even dried out. Thanks to Roy.Scam and fezo for hospitality and companionship, and the P’squeeze for driving 7 hours each way to chase this particular grail.
And say, anyone up for writing my boss that my grandmother is ailing and needs me to take care of her at Roseland 9/12-13?
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Angel - please continue bothering me.
Posted by: angel, Rajah: You are absolutely correct. Hoops is indeed in charge of this board and in that regard, I was way out of line. I apologize and hopefully won't bother you again. Carry on....
Gretchen: I listened to Royal Scam several times, at the point you refered to and yes, I do hear what you are talking about. I have no idea what does it, or what it is there for. I had been listening to EMG just before that and what a difference in the soundscape between those 2 albums. Royal Scam has a dark sound to it, that becomes even more apparent, when put up against EMG. Wow!
An article about Steely Dan, among others, attracting younger fans.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/0827oldmusic27.html
Posted by: Gretchen, home Mealie, I especially like your reports on RONALD FAGEN. Keep me informed.
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, Greenflower StreetI just read the glowing review of the boys at Jones Beach on the All About Jazz website. They think think they're great. And of course they are. Can't wait to see them next month!!
Posted by: hoops, What a great review, Eel.
My fav part:
"On this evening, the beauty of the music was augmented by the fact that the band was decidedly leaning toward playing heavily-jazz influenced versions of the songs in the Steely Dan canon. This definitely was not a show filled by carbon copies of their greatest hits. By focusing on and leaning heavily on freestyling arrangements (for the majority of the show), the audience was treated to a wonderful mix of jazz-funk soul. "
I wish I could be at Borgata. Sounds like it will be great. Having to work late and listening to the whole box set.
hoops
Posted by: hoops, Thanks to Meal Reviewer, I see the shine in my Japan and the sparkle of my v..CHINA!
Posted by: bluprintblu, the green bookMeal reviewer, I enjoyed the vibe. Post on is what I say. Keep up the good work...
Posted by: moray eel, ?Didn't see this posted. If so, apologies...
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=705
m.e.
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there nowCome on folks, feel the love. Really ; )
I think that for the most part we are all pretty much after the same thing here. So if you know that a particular poster's stuff is a waste of time for you, scroll on by. I do. There's way too much shit in the world these days already to spend time picking on each other here.
{{{(((the bluebook)))}}}
I am really looking forward to another Dan experience on October 4th.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Heymike - what's belittling is that, indeed, what Meali writes is not English and you do need and don't possess, evidently, any Spanish, Italian, French, Potugese or Romanian to decipher Meal Reviewer. Meali strikes at the very heart of our ignorance of other languages.
Posted by: heymike, approaching the stand...I have to agree with the meal slammers. I try to read it to give the guy the benefit of the doubt,but I don't get it. It's not english, I dont know what it is. Looks like someone's 3 year old is playing with the PC. It's belittling really as compared to what is usually posted on here,
but that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong....
Posted by: Hank Silvers,
DJ, about the "baion", the link to the full story on the Rhino Records page no longer works, but there is an excerpt from it at oleander's essential SD feverdreams site (specifically, http://www.feverdreams.net/teahouse.htm ).
And here's a link to a site that describes how one 60's band used the baion beat and how it may have influenced one of the top bands of the 70's: http://www.tsimon.com/jayamer.htm
Posted by: Rajah of Gratitude, L.A.I just wanna say you guys in here are the right-ee-ous best. RCRAY and Bounti-full, your outbursts were outrageous but alive, I can't fault you for that. Don't leave us cause we whacked you a touch, believe me, Hoopster-Daddy had a few words of wisdom for the Rajah a while back. We need you on the Bluebook. Peace and, yeah, chicky-wah-wah. With Barna afloat, we can all swim to shore. Shalom y'all.
Posted by: Bounty Hunter, There's a bounty on Meal's faceDJ- I left the yellow because of crap like that. It's been real good in here for a very long time. A nice change from the other place for sure. I'll lay off. Hoop's has bee doing a good job here keeping out the crap. I'm sure he'll keep it up. (I hope)
Posted by: shark deville, annandale (va)hey guys...
saw the fuckin DAN last night!!!
been outta here for awhile cuz i didn't want to know what the boys were playin on tour... well, now i know!!!
the setlist was a little different than the kickoff show. have they been changing it up all tour?
set I
intro
Aja
Time Out (!!!)
Godwhack
Caves (!#@*!!)
Black Cow
Babylon
Slang
Peg
Home at Last
set II
Steely Dan show intro>
Janie>
Hey 19
Haitian (!#%@#!**!!!)
Things
Parker's
Josie
Kid C
Alive
e: Old School, FM
i'm still reelin' in it, so to speak. but i'll post more later.
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandRajah - fully endorse your Meali-support, expressed, I must say, with exemplary restraint and diplomacy. No-one has to read everything here (or anywhere else) - I tend to avoid the high-tech audio stuff but wouldn't want to kick it off the board.
And a 'baion' is a kind of samba thing I think.
Posted by: Joey , " It occurs to me that this is the second instance of your Angelic highness' reaching out to whack the Rajah....................... "
Who could do such a thing ???????
After all , as far as your young Joey can gleam , all the Rajah does is spread love here at the Blue .
JACKY !
Posted by: hoops, Bounty Hunter & Rcray, etc: Who put you in charge of this place? Hey I don't get all the stuff Meal Reviewer says, but more than a few have been saying at the Danfests how they enjoy his posts. If you have a problem or think there's one, email me--I'm glad to talk. But as I am reading your posts now, I'm thinking, "who put you in charge?" I foot the bill here so stop acting like you run the party.
Posted by: DJ, ChicagoI agree Rajah, RCray and Bountyhunter are lame. It's free country and Meal swam here to enjoy the freedom. It's just not America if allow him to be censured. Shame on RCray and Bounty...shame on you.
Question:
The Siegel Bros. were slammin' out a baion
So slick it should have been a crime
What's a "baion"?
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Has everyone lost their sense of humor in here? Cripes, RCRAY and Bounty Hunter, the Meali is one of the stars of this or any other guestbook. I can't believe that both of you would react in such a mean spirited manner. I will grant you that you have to be in a certain frame of mind to appreciate da Meali but ouch boys.
Meali baby - we love you and please don't stop the chicky-boom. Love to Barna and PS do Poppi & Maricon Joe feel better? Chi-wa-wa.
Posted by: Rose Darling, Seattleonlyafool: Sounds good to me, it's been a while since I've hung out in Fremont (prior to the moving of the Red Door from one end of the block to the other - what's up with that?)
What do you think SueDave?
Posted by: Balanese, MiamiHere is a creepy picture of Donald Fagen:
http://www.willlee.com/scrapbook.php?os=36&ti=52&next=1
Posted by: Gretchen, Bill, the soap does have an interesting history, and according to the label, it can even be used for everything from housecleaning to shampoo. (I would not suggest that, though, and do not imbibe no matter how luscious the scent). There are several varieties, I've tried about all, and can reccommend only the original peppermint. The lavender scent is putrid, and the eucalyptis has a medicinal/chemical aura about it. The peppermint is very refreshing, particularly on a hot humid day. (Reserve for summer use only-extended use causes dry skin). Dr.Bronner must have been one wild ass character. Should be in a Steely song, mixing up soaps in his dank basement.
Posted by: RCray, NYCyeah what the fuck (Meal Reviewer)!
Apparently, anyone can post here even people that have no fucking command of the english language.
Who wants to read gibberish?
If you are going to post at least have a fucking point. I can't think of a more worthless thing to do.....Get the fuck out of here you worthless piece of shit.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghI actually like Dr. Bronner's soap, but the labels are something else. Imagine if the late eccentric artist/preacher Howard Finster had been a soapmaker. You can read one at http://www.drbronner.com/labels/pepmt.pdf - make sure you increase the size so you can read the tiny print. He must have been an interesting guy.
Posted by: Bounty Hunter, Meal Reviewer: Would you please go away! I'm sick of reading your bullshit. Go over to that "other place". You'll fit right in over there.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliMaster of Piaster stowaway in ocean in "Cathy Lee Clothes" boat a America! Wang dang doodle! El es 43rd persona in STEEVI DO fan club desde mi cuntri come to A! We see him on 66th and Wilshire beggin peepil for kwarter, dollar, or whatever! Look like a piece of shit! In cuntri Master of Piaster es el solo STEEVI DO FAN PERSONA que die un bad soldado! Wang dang doodle!
Posted by: onlyafool, FremontSueDave and Rose: Why don't you split the difference and meet in Fremont, which is where I happen to be at this very moment.
Posted by: Gretchen, drowning in a sea of peppermint.....BigFan, the soap has actually toned down since the dreadful 80's, so now it's safe to use. And it's hemp-based, which is a definite plus.
Kram, DF is hot, not just the way he looks but his mind. Who cares about age? I'd rather him than any of the pretty boys of today (Brad Pitt and co). Don has substance and intelligence, the ultimate turn on.
Posted by: Somebody To Trust, The Gulf CoastAngel- What Big Fan is trying to tell you is that Big blue thing is a bong.
Posted by: Big Fan, when does the weekend start?Angel - nice article - must of been some party. I grew up in just barely suburban Philly and people are right, New England crowds are must more sedate. That guitar drink looks like it's missing an air hole and a metal tube stuck in it.
Gretchen, I had a girlfriend in the early 80's that was into that same soap. Your post brought back horrid memories. I especially remember the soap because it made areas that normally don't see the sunshine tingle in a most unusual and I seem to remember not completely pleasant manner.
Getting ready at the SPAC and NY State Fair - I'd actually like to go to that show. I watched Charlotte’s web again the other night - how can you not love a state fair and Steely Dan:
http://www.troyrecord.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10079677&BRD=1170&PAG=461&dept_id=32272&rfi=6
http://www.theithacajournal.com/entertainment/stories/20030828/music/146509.html
Since I can't seem to activate the Saratoga Danfest mailing list and no one else is sending out anything we are planning to meet at the Hampton Inn in Clifton Park - Exit 9 of I87 in tomorrow afternoon and then drive in together around 5:30 -6:00. If you email me, I'll give you a cell # if you are interested in joining up with us.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.My dear Angel - fortunately for all of us and unless I didn't get the memo, you have not as yet been appointed the final arbiter of what is in bad or good taste. However, I am informed that one of the first signs of encroaching decrepitude is a distinct loss of one's sense of humor. It occurs to me that this is the second instance of your Angelic highness' reaching out to whack the Rajah. If I've offended you in any way to cause this passive-agressive response to what I thought in my own poor way was an humorous posting, I apologize. If, however, you harbor a larger antipathy then I suggest you lay it out for us. Whip it on me.
Posted by: Kram, is this site...like ..well...what is this site?? ..like everyone goes in here and talks all day...and they know each other...and its like a bizzare kind a' chat rm??...kind of like overweight bald old intellecuals..flirting and stuff...donald fagen..as a hottie?? at first..it was interesting...but now i'm getting jiggy
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleHmmm, maybe no one caught the little joke that N. Cognito made??
144 = a gross
get it?!?!
SueDave: Howdy Neighbor! Would love to get together; my office is in Wallingford so getting downtown would be easy. Is that where you are?
Cheers!
Posted by: angel, Channeling Big Fan again....A sort of impressionistic view of a Dan Concert. Check out the picture of the guitar drink. I can see why Donald and Walter tell horror stories about fans at their concerts. What must it look like, from up on the stage.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/212-08272003-147796.html
I didn't think 144 towels were too much. One never has enough towels. Especially women. :-)
Rajah: That was just in total bad taste. Nuff said.
Posted by: Gretchen, I forgot to add to my backstage wish list, one Scottish Terrier, 3 yrs old or less, mostly black, a little brindle allowed. (Dogs calm stage fright).
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn Gretch -I'm not around my equipment today but I will listen to it. Are you sure it's not one of these vaccuous "Percussion - Crusher Bennett" credits?
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter-He's talking about his own car, she probably has her own. Did you check out Royal Scam yet to hear the growling noise I posted about earlier? Let me know, you're an audiofile so I know you could figure it out.
Raj-I'm not a speedo loving kind of girl. Rather see him in that white shirt he wore at Mohegan. Love the mad scientist look. Come on, you guys are just jealous. If anyone could look half as good as Don at his age they should count their lucky stars! He's sublime. (sigh)
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynFor work in progress we need opinions! In Boston Rag he says "I pointed my car down 7th avenue." Doesn't "My" here show a delineaton of property, his stuff and her stuff? If they shared the car wouldn't he say "I pointed THE car"??
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Gretchen - no, by your own admission, you don't ask for much but I still believe you're a full time job - peppermint soap? And what, no request for an 8x10 of Donald in a Speedo? Hmm, maybe you're over it finally. And, yeah, old farts do need lots of towels to soak up the various leaking bodily fluids and humours that are part and parcel of the aging process. But where, I ask, are the packs of control top underwear?
Posted by: Kram Yeltnuh, VT
Ah the demands of the spoiled rock stars - this is a fun little escape site that is always good for a few guffaws - i'm sure w+d have an overabundance of naps to wipe the corner mouth drool that frequently inhabits the jaws of the elderly
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/index.html
Posted by: Shaun, BostonGretchen- You mean you wouldn't demand a "Cuban Breeze" for your dressing room?
Posted by: Gretchen, Mt. BelzoniI can see the 144 towels, you can never have enough, especially for that large a group. If it were me, I'd request Dr. Bronner's Peppermint soap,Yon-ka cleansing milk, diet Pepsi, fresh limes, Tetley tea, skim milk, toll house cookies and fresh fruit (no pineapple). Also lavender candles and a silk robe. I'm not too demanding.
Posted by: Rindy, Lookin' forward to Borgata GigHello, good people. Does anyone of you have time for a quick Q?: "You're still the one" is found on Kazaa as a Dan tune. Now that can't be right, right? Just checking..
Wasn't that the song done by Orleans?
-Rindy
Posted by: Rindy, S.E. of SyracuseRe: Syracuse: 144 towels?
Gross!
Well...there's 13 in the band/ensemble alone, plus assorted crew & hangers-on. Can never have too many clean towels...
Many celebs/musicians (not counting Steely Dan in this stereotype) are so obsessed w/pampering themselves and stroking their egos, these lists of demands aren't surprising in the least. Wouldn't be surprised if the majority of what they all ask for is left behind, thrown away, etc.
-Rindy
Posted by: steelydoubt, puts on katy lied/royal scam disc....
Posted by: Gretchen, Something curious I haven't been able to figure out. Exactly 3 minutes and 22 seconds into the title track of Royal Scam, there is an obvious, low growling noise. Has anyone else heard this? What could they have used to produce that sound? I have RS on several different CD's and this appears on all, so it's not just the remastered edition. My guess is that it's supposed to be one of the beasts on top of the skyscrapers. Any thoughts?
Posted by: Somebody To Trust, the gulf coastBobbo: Glad you had a great time!
One thing...The "Annandale" they sing about in "My Old School" is in New York State. Not Virginia.
Posted by: Bobbo, Virginia/DCGreat show at the Nissan Pavillon in the DC area last night! Amid one of the most outrageous lightning storms ever, the show went on and the crowd was great. Some seats went empty as a result of the weather... but the diehards who braved the ride out to Nisson were more than able to carry the load. My Old School absolutely brought down the house (Annandale is nearby) and FM closed the show. DF seemed to be having trouble with his voice, this could be an audio glitch or simply road weary. Becker did a great narrative tune and the intermission opened with a satrical piece by the band "pimping" their merch. T's went for $33. Fantastic vocals last night otherwise.
Posted by: N. Cognito,
Re: Syracuse: 144 towels?
Gross!
Posted by: glamund, Norway Hello, good people. Does anyone of you have time for a quick Q?: "You're still the one" is found on Kazaa as a Dan tune. Now that can't be right, right? Just checking..
Posted by: Big Fan, Pet squirrels?Steely Dan requests mixed nuts before the show - do you think they eat them or do something weird with them?
http://www.syracuse.com/entertainment/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1062059744144840.xml
Posted by: dbeefy, back, Jack, to do it againGreetings fellow Danheads, have been away for a while and am catching up with the posts..
a quick misheard lyric of mine, from My Rival -
"I struck a match against the *dawn*"
(so I spent years wondering what that Bar and Grill thing was about! Still, nice image though.)
dbeefy
Posted by: lucky henry, cozy down belowTo the lucky 3,700 attendees of this Saturday's Borgata show (plus 13):
Five exterior windows of the $1.1BB Borgata have inexplicably shattered. Reports indicate there is no danger to hotel guests as only the outside layer of the double-paned floor to ceiling windows is subject. Cost to replace = $2,000/pane. When asked whether passersby should be concerned of these events, management only replied, "Don't look up."
Yes, we are certainly in Steely Dan heaven here in the East. But talk about your major pain and suffering; now our self-esteem is shattered,
lh
Posted by: suedave, seattleHey Big Fan, Was trying to swing Oakdale for a long time but that middle of the week schedule just didn't work out for me. Bummer. Will have to make up for it in other ways! Now while I don't get the benefit of driving relatively short distances to other shows in my neighborhood, I'm kinda right smack in between NYC and Maui! Whats a girl to do?
Hoopsie, those new lyrics are a hoot! I felt like I was right there!
I was in Borders today and heard Godwhacker - that was a nice surprise. Before I knew my neighbor Rose Darling is our very own track spinner, I asked the checkout girl about the Sunset Special and then about where they get their music from, and after she looked at me a little funny, she said often they play new releases...I guess whatever catches their fancy.
Rose Darling my neighbor, we'll need to hook up one of these days, I'd like to hear more about how to get a job like yours. Downtown in a few weeks time or so?
Later!
suedave
Posted by: Q, TPADACW is absolutely right on the Aja MFSL.
It is not from the master tapes as claimed and WB/DF have publicly stated their disdain for the mastering job also. Weak highs and bloated low end.
This pertains to the MFSL vinyl as well as the Ultradisc I and II.
Posted by: Spark of your Vagina, Wow! DACW, where did Becker and Fagen give or at least hint at their opinion on the MSFL Aja? Or am I misinterpretting. Would love to read their words. THX.
Posted by: DACW , RCray: Having both I can say with 100% confidence that thehe Moblile Fidelity gold version of Aja is significantly inferior in sound to the 1999 re re-master which is much fuller and richer...they've come a long way since MCA (the Record Company formerly Known as ABC-Dunhill) released the infamous flatline 1985 CD pressing from nth gen. I remember buying it (one of the first CDs I owned think how much better the vinyl version sounded as the rest of the CDs I owned...nearly lost my religion regarding Steely Dan for a while back in the Dark Age of Steely Dan.. Donald and Walter have discussed their reservations about the MF edition...
Posted by: Pam, I AmRadio station Q104.3 in NY is giving away Roseland tickets - for the last two days they've been running a contest at 3pm. They play 3 songs, you guess what they have in common, you are lucky enough to be the correct caller and blammo - 2 tickets. Today the clue was "Mars"; yesterday was "Alabama". Good luck & good dialing! I hope I win - the only way I could afford tix!
Posted by: hoops, chicagoAttn all guests of hotels in Manhattan for Jones Beach and/or PNC
If you stayed in a hotel in Midtown this past weekend or the weekend before for the PNC or JB shows and liked it or at least thought it was reasonable, could you contact me with name, location, price and other useful comments? THANKS!
jim
Posted by: ed beatty, @home tonight at last All,
Addendum to my previous posting about SACD Gaucho and its recent
release.
There is nothing additional in the liner notes either or something
distinctive to this package
Ed (chilling at my manatee bar) Beatty
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleHoops: No, it wasn't me that added RD to Jewel-Osco, it's funny, Jewel-Osco isn't a client of ours (nor is Savon), but we provide the broadcast programs for their "sisters" Acme and Albertson's.
Just for fun, I ran a report that returns a listing of where "Blues Beach" can be heard either in a broadcast or custom format. You may be surprised, but here are the results...
Jos. A. Bank
Seattle's Best Coffee
Casual Corner
Z'Gallerie
Ann Taylor Loft
Red Lobster Restaurants
Crate & Barrel
Franklin Covey
Adult Alternative (our broadcast program)
Hot FM (another of our broadcast programs, Home Depot subscribes to this program, must be why you hear it there)
Adult Contemporary (broadcast)
Bass Shoes
Caribou Coffee
I'm trying to spread the word. :-)
Posted by: molly, slowly tumbling into the sea....ok-i love "dr. wu"-(duh-it's kind of a given)-but why do i keep reading that SD will never play it live? is it the subject matter? nah-never deterred them before-what's up with that? or is there a reason for me to be hopeful?
oh-my misheard lyric-"she serves us spoonbread scenery, she keeps me safe and warm..."
mmm, nothin like spoonbread scenery
later, moll doll
Posted by: hoops, chicagoCouple of great interviews with Dave Brubeck on NPR today:
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1401972
Bending End:
I'd say don't pay attention to those silly surveys but then I am the one who looks to see how many copies of EMG has sold this week. There's something about those sorts of things, you know it doesn't matter but it grabs you anyhow.
SueDave:
Yeah, "Blues Beach" has been getting a lot of airplay in the stores and I still hear "Janie Runaway" a lot too. I've heard "Blues Beach" most frequently, or so it seems, in Home Depot. They even have special lyrics:
"Grab Big Dog a blanket
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before suddenly falling apart
Give your roommate Yvonne a ring
Customer assistance is needed in aisle 15."
Queen Bayside, Shaun, others:
You're Damn straight you have to be at Roseland, LBB and all the rest of the event. Be there now!
YGK, others write:
"Just wanted to shout out a friendly post-Bacchanal hello to all those I was fortunate to meet at Bayside's" AMEN!
Meal Reviewer:
Ricki <----=#\
Scotty & Alan:
Great goin' again coming all the way over here. Still looking fo get an SD/GM visor for the whichever wanted it. Please email me.
Kram:
You are raising him right! I've never been to Saratoga, but wish I could make it. Anything in New England, Mid-Atlantic or Long Island would make the short list for me.
Molly:
I would be surprised if they didn't swap out at least a couple of tunes for part two in September.
PeterQ:
You know, I wasn't in the same place for the PNC and JB performances of "Janie." I wonder if that would affect my opinion of it.
Ed:
It was hot & muggy this morning in Chicago and now it's cool and dry. What da...what da is YGK talking about?
Bill, others:
Haven't heard "Jive Samba" but will seek it out. Thanks for the link.
RoseDarling (not Texas):
Are you the one who added "Rose Darling" to the Jewel-Osco play list about 8-9 years ago?
Joey:
Sounds exciting. I know I am in the minority but "Tatoo You" is my fav Stones album.
Big Fan:
Wow! What a collection of links
Sparkle, others:
I thought the MSFL versions were from before the latest round of SD CD masterings (ie from before 1998-2000 remasters.). I'm not so sure I'm nuts about that. MSFL went out of business but now is coming back. Very sad situation they were in. MSFL was owed a lot of money by a bankrupt music chain.. MSFL was owed so much money that it forced them out of business too. Now they are making a come back.
See you laters.
hoops
Posted by: Delia aka Molly (but not from California), KentuckyFife, my daughter deleted your addy. Please get in touch.
Posted by: RCray, NYC
In response to the question from The Sparkle of Your china, Hong Kong:
You can find audiophile quality of SD albums at MobileFidelity.com.
They issued Katy, Aja and Gaucho on vinyl as well as gold ultradisc. The sound quality is supposed to be superior than that of the commercial release.
I have Aja by Mofi and it does sound "warmer" than the new release. That being said I cannot comment on the vinyl as I do not own a turntable but I do have Katy on vinyl.
Also, try EBAY for vintage vinyl and audiophile dan recordings.
Regards,
RCRAYNYC
Posted by: Joey , Hello My Steely Brothers and Sisters ....................
Since I KNOW all of you fine individuals love and appreciate tremendous talent and/or prodigious musicianship , the legendary blues guitarist Mick Taylor ( Yes , THAT Mick Taylor formerly of the Rolling Stones , circa '69 - '74 ) is " rumored " to be performing on stage this evening with Jagger/Richards and company at a club gig in Great Britain . This marks only the second time in thirty years that Taylor has performed with the Stones since " leaving " the band .
Wow , me watching Steely Dan live in concert and now this all in three weeks time -- Oh Lord !
Developing ..................................
JOESEE !
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleHi Everyone!
My, oh, my, I must say you all post the best damn mail in this room; I see that a few more people have posted their very first in the last couple of weeks, myself included.
SueDave! It's no accident that you heard Steely Dan in the grocery store...I put it there!
You see, I'm an audio designer for one of *those* companies that provides music for their businesses, so if you were in a Fred Meyer, QFC, Albertson's, etc., it's likely you heard one of my programs. Yes, I do realize I have a great gig here; getting paid pretty good dinero to listen to music all day, but there is form and function to it and it doesn't come without its politics. I just hope Don & Walt are getting the checks....hmmm....
It seems to me that some genius out there should hook up a live feed, so we can party with all you Eastcosters during the DanFests. I'm envious and can't go East right now, working on custom Holiday programs...what the f? Did she say "holiday"???? Ugh.
Keep up the great posts, love hearing about the DanFests and SD shows!
Enjoy yourselves!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynBill, we posted alot here about Cannonball and albums like Live At The Blackhawk, Live at The Jazz Workshop, etc., and how Cannonball is exactly what Steely Dan means when they say "funk" (as opposed to, say, Bootsie Collins). That was in June. Glad you heard it too!
Posted by: Bill, again, PittsburghFor those not familiar with Jive Samba, there's a clip on this page:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/cd/review.asp?aid=54879
I can't listen here at work (firewalls!) so I don't know if you can hear the Home at Last melodic fragment or not.
To me this is much more of a direct cop than the similar two-note intros to Rikki/Song for My Father.
Posted by: ed , palm springs its fffffing hot hereYGK
gotcha
Ed (in the heat) Beatty
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghThe pianist on this 1966 session is future WR founder Joe Zawinul, not future SD sideman Victor Feldman, but you have probably identified a key connection there. The piece was written by
Nat Adderley.
>>Date: Tues, August 26, 2003, 18:42:15 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn
Hey Bill, no coincidence that Victor Feldman played in both groups ey?
>>Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh
New Plagiarism Alert!
I am listening to "Cannonball in Japan" by the Cannonball Adderley Quintet. On the last track, "Jive Samba", there is a distinctive horn line that is damned near note for note the horn intro to "Home at Last"!!
Posted by: YGK, NYCEd,
Scene: Cutting Room, West 24th Street, Circa 2001-4-5months PDR (Post Dan Release)
Tall, tan, Gentleman enters the bar.....
I, into my 2nd cocktail waiting for the Herington Show......
"Excuse me, but you look like Ed ........"
Pictures?!?!?! Do Share, please......email above
ygk
Posted by: ed beatty, @palm springs today ITS HOTYGK,
I look like who?
I feel sorry for anyone that appears to look like me.
Good to see you man and the pictures Lora of you are priceless
Ed (working on my schedule) Beatty
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI'm interested to know if anyone who was at the PNC show as well asJones felt that the Janie Runaway at Jones was more of a rocking number, almost heavy metal really, than the other versions? Someone remarked this to me...I didn't think so.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI'm interested to know if anyone who was at the PNC show as well asJones felt that the Janie Runaway at Jones was more of a rocking number, almost heavy metal really, than the other versions? Someone remarked this to me...I didn't think so.
Posted by: molly, santa barbara countyfirst post-reading these posts makes me feel comforted, like i'm not alone in my steely fandom...why cant people understand? i'm getting way jazzed about the s.b. show a month from now-is there anyone out there that is going? any news on a wing ding? these east coast shows are getting me antsy! i'm just hoping they pull out some other goodies for the second leg-saw them in paso and honestly, i'm not really sure how they could top it-although they didn't play black cow at that show-one of my favorites. and those zombies are sounding mighty tasty- may have to tailgate it with a few of those.....
later, molly darling
Posted by: Kram Yeltnuh, VermontThis is a great site. I can't stop looking at it, that can be a problem when you are actually pretending to work
I am taking my son (9) to Saratoga. He is wayyyyy into dan. Got all the cd's lined up in the changer for the ride (get him familiar with the stuff he hasn't heard yet) - He sings "things i miss" and has this whole dance routine that he does - so if u see a little boy in the 4th row dancing his ass off during that tune, thats spencer.
Posted by: Scotty & Alan, ManassasG'Day all,
Another quick update on another expensive kiosk.
Firstly, Alan & I are extremely grateful to the extra ordinary lengths both Pete & Shari went to, to make us feel welcome at the Mohegan show. Thank you both for an incredible experience. We will never forget your generosity and friendship.
Now, to the rest of the bludgers in the Wreckless crew !!
Joe, LWO, Danfiend and Sam. Still surviving on 3 hours sleep a night and having a ball. You guys are priceless. Keep up the phone calls.
Sam, I spoke to the manager of the Battlefield Inn and the bar officially opens at 5pm today. I did manage to get him to agree on opening earlier if we get a few people turning up and the barman/women gets there prior to 5pm to serve us. A man is not a camel, you know.
Gretchen, it was great to hang out at Mohegan with you in that amazing waterfall bar.
Al & Jane Lightening, see you at Saratoga.
We won't bother saying anything about the actual shows here. Why even try to describe them ? Theses guys are just from another planet.
Lady Bayside, once again thank you so much for making us feel welcome and providing such a spectacular pre and post party. What a way to see our first show !
Steve & Sandy, thanks for the ticket upgrades. You made the night even more special.
Donald & Walter, if you read this, a big thank you goes out from 2 very humble Australians for providing years of pure delight and for touring this year. Please start planning your next tour immediately.
More from Saratoga if we can get online.
Cheers for now,
Scotty & Alan.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonLady Bayside- Sounds like you did a bang up job at the Jones Beach Danfest! I wish I could have made that show. Oh well...
I am soooo pumped for both Roseland shows! You're right....between the shows and the after-party at Le Bar Bat it's going to be AMAZING! When I was living in NYC I got to see Funkfilharmonik play. They're dynamite! It's actually the perfect band to play after the SD show. The have the jazz, the funk, the soul and the rock to make it a perfect seg-way! I'm even staying at the Novotel so I can be right there for the pre-party on Friday. Then we got Bernard Purdy on Saturday! This is going to be so much fun! If these two days are half as good as the Hall of Fame weekend it's going to be nuts! I think everyone around the country that's a big SD fan should try and make it in for these two shows! Come on people! Get of your butts and make it in to New York City on September 12th and 13th!!! You won't regret it.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliMeal Reviewer authoritatively lay down the mighty groove: ricki tick, ricki tick, a ricki tick tick. Ticky tock, ticky tock, a ticky tock tock.
In mi contri we have Charlton Heston, we have annoying pop ups, we have Spam for Thankgivin dinner, we have betamax VCR, we have secret underwear in the paper books. Mucha gente no pueden hablar ingles pero pueden cantar SPEELY DAN AJA:
Give me a pill
Or I won't be A-OK
Me moms drown in the bay
Esta musica se me ponga en los nubios de dios mio! Trumpeta de Archangel Miguel!
Posted by: YGK, NYCJust wanted to shout out a friendly post-Bacchanal hello to all those I was fortunate to meet at Bayside's:
Ed (hey, you look like....)& Laura, LWO, the Aussies, Sandy, FanODan.....now will someone refresh my memory, or do I have to hit Lady Bayside up for another Zombie to "return" my memories of that eclectic eve?
Aja: glad you're diggin' it.....
ygk
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYOkay, I think the general idea is that everyone needs to come to Roseland.
I guarantee Pete's Danfest will be phenomenal. How could it not? There's no tailgating in the parking lot (Roseland doesn't really have one, and it's highly unlikely we can shut down a city block) but we get to party at Le Bar Bat? With Funk Filharmonic? I'm not even going to Friday's how and I'll be at the after party!
I'll bring the roasted pepper and mozzarella salad. (that would be a great visual...me showing up with a bowl of stuff...) Penny needs to make more truffles. They were awesome.
Back to work.
Ugh.
Lady Bayside
Posted by: aunt faye, Long IslandTodd got the news...
The 17-year-old and her friend were hanging around doing some posters for their school club (Model Congress) last night. I popped in Disc 2 of Show Biz Kids so the kid (nice boy, very bright) could just get an idea of what I was ranting about. Well, an hour later, I realized they had moved on to Disc 1. Then Daniele asked me to explain about the "strange chords" her buddy Todd was hearing in the music...so I whipped out the old song book I have with Denny Dias' whole little mu major saga. I hadn't realized the friend was a keyboard player...the music started to really hit him!
Lady Bay, I think I am gonna make an appearance at Roseland...how could I NOT?!?!?! I ran out after the Jones Beach concert...it was such a wonderful experience I couldn't even talk to anyone. But the party was great and the people were mucho sympatico. Penny the Truffle Queen
Posted by: Big Fan, Back at work - bummerNice article in the Hartford Courant today about the Piano Jazz series with Marian McPartland. She's interviewing Nora Jones this weekeand at Tanglewood. Geez, I'll literally be going right past there Saturday morning coming back from Saratoga. Sorry you may need to register to view.
I wonder if they will ever issue a CD of the SD interview like they have of some of her many shows. One of the best SD interviews ever IMHO.
http://www.ctnow.com/entertainment/music/hc-mcpartland.1.artaug27,1,5005207.story?coll=hc-ent-headlines-breaking
Also in the same issue a review of the Mohegan Sun concert:
http://www.ctnow.com/entertainment/stage/hc-steelyrev.artaug27.story
Same Piano Jazz topic from Boston Herald with SD mention:
http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/edgeMusic.bg?articleid=106
Another review from the local paper:
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/news/stories/20030827/localnews/136108.html
SueDave - I know you are going to the Roseland shows - it's not to late to come out for the Oakdale - but Hawaii sounds even better - have a great trip!!!!!
How's gas prices out there. I'm glad my SD driving tour is almost over - yikes I'm going to get hit hard driving to Saratoga this weekend. Had I known about the huge gas price increases would I have changed my plans - no. I was talking about future tours with someone in the know at the Danfest - they have been touring every 3-4 years - how old will Donald be in 3-4 years? Will he be willing to go on this kind of tour traveling from NH to PA back to CT in three days again? Their response was you'd better enjoy it while you can.
Posted by: The Sparkle of Your China, Hong Kong
Cheers and hello from way back east. This is my first post here.I envy all of you seeing the band on tour. I saw SD in Osaka in 2000. No show has everything but it would make me especially happy to hear Big Black Cow and some of the other less frequently played songs. Does anyone know whether this tour is being filmed for a DVD concert release ?
And the main point here....who can guide me to high end SD recordings ? I have an awesome stereo but try as I might I cannot convince myself that Katy Lied sounds as good as it could. Aja has been released again by Universal as one of its 'enhanced' recordings..and it is an improvement on an already good remastered version. But most of the rest of the albums have only had that original remastering treatment. One exception is Gaucho, which I found about 8 years ago. It cost about $30 U.S. but has been worth every cent.
I don't want to have to buy surround speakers or other new gear. I have enough...just can't find the high end discs.
Suggestions
Posted by: suedave, 40 days and nights of sunBeen enjoying all your posts about all those shows back east. Wish I could have joined you at Mohegan in my home state. Sigh.
Congrats Lady Bayside for keeping the rain back. Here in Seattle, that's a sure sign of a powerful Queen :)
I can't take most of what's on the radio these days, so not hearing much SD on the radio well I guess that's just a little catch 22, isn't it. And CD sales are down, but we all hear SD in the grocery store, don't we? And it's great. Just the other night I heard What a Shame About Me while buying cream cheese & milk...I sang along and everything. And it also means that SD is played frequently, right? I think the only problem is that no one is announcing who is playing the music, but a clear sign that it is "sellable". No worries. Sometimes it just takes time.
So next time sing or hum along, maybe someone will ask you who is playing that great music.
See you in Roseland,
Susan
Posted by: Laina, coolin' out for the next monthBill, I checked out the song and I definitely hear the "Home At Last" intro.
Lainalove
Posted by: The Bending End, RI [back from vacation in ND]RE: "Steely Dan as # 57 ?!?!?!?!" on http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists.html
It's interesting to see Miles Davis listed here as # 39, as the list is entitled "100 Greatest Artists of Rock 'N' Roll."
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The location/section of my Oakdale seat assignments don't seem to jive with the seating chart on their web site, but here's how they read: Location: Rear Orch Ctr, Section: F, Row: P, Seats: 9-10
Posted by: hoops, really quickMark:
You and your daughter are in all of our thoughts.
Thanks to Big Fan and others for the Mohegan reports..."close your eyes and you'll be there..."
Interesting article, Randall, although I think a lot happened in the 70s (even beyond SD)--Pink Floyd, Led Zep, so much more.
Enjoyed al the "10 Things I miss/reasons...Bayside Bacchanal"
Sorry to hear about the "Gaucho" SACD/CD hybird. Did they at least have the new liner notes from the remaster?
CTE/Nissan has been uncharacteristically quiet. What gives? Have a great time tomorrow night.
Hi O.!
gottago
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Posted by: Gretchen , Oh Faceless Man-
Be not ashamed of your Larry Coryell, George Benson, and (especially) Metheney. Although they are not cutting edge artists, bits and pieces are definetly laid back, chill out music. Coryell's "Angel on Sunset" and Benson's "Masquerade" are 2 favs of mine, cheesy or not. Late 70's fusion is a feast for the ears, but some of the middle of the road stuff can be pretty cool.
Posted by: Gretchen, on the dunes (sigh)ZIM AND WuDuF:
I'd love to get together before the Oakdale show. Since a hubby for me is non-existant, I have no worry. My ticket is:Lower Orchestra Right, Section A, Row R, Seat 17. We can plan to meet around 6:30 or so? The show starts at 7:30. Or perhaps meet at 6, just to be safe. If you haven't seen the show yet, you are in for such a wonderful experience. I'm so let down tonight after a thoroughly blissful time at Mohegan. Let's keep in touch!
Posted by: ed beatty, @home awaiting the next danfest
Hey,
Just procured and listened (2x)to the SACD GAUCHO released today
Don't bother its nothing more than a re-release of the DTS 5.1
version from a few years back.The sound is literally the same
Yawn..Save the bucks for Roseland or whatever,where ever or
whomever
I think the fact that the SD ODP didn't trumpet its release is a
telling statement
IMHO
Ed
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CTZim, we should definitely meet up with Gretchen and the rest for a proper Leg II Dan kickoff. Let me know when either of you read this, adn we'll make plans! Love to hear what the "hubbies" will have to say about all this that night!
I was smoking with the boys upstairs when I heard about the whole affair!
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA
For yet another angle on fusion, see the following (which you are more than welcome to agree or disagree with):
http://hometown.aol.com/nightfly62/index.html
Randy
NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynHey Bill, no coincidence that Victor Feldman played in both groups ey?
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghNew Plagiarism Alert!
I am listening to "Cannonball in Japan" by the Cannonball Adderley Quintet. On the last track, "Jive Samba", there is a distinctive horn line that is damned near note for note the horn intro to "Home at Last"!! It's at faster tempo and the groove is more latin, but it's the very same melody. Anyone ever notice this before?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynMan with no - those are good shows, can't be too much of a backwater.
Posted by: Man with no face, Peter- Yes, fusion is too wide of a term because it encompasses the edgy to the smooth. No one will ever mistake Aja for the Mahavishnu or Weather Report. I haven't listened to "Friends" or "School Days" in years, although I wore the grooves out of "Duet" which was contemporaneous to Aja I think. I listened to "Elegant Gypsy" a month or so ago. I still get out all my Joe Farrell records and listen to them. I will confess to having my share of Rittenour, Larry Coryell, Pat Metheny (go caines, ok hes not so bad), George Benson (eek), spacy ECM offerings, and other stuff I never listen to anymore.
Other shows I'd like to see this year (I live in a cultural backwater and this is about all we get):
Sphere
Pat Metheny
Ruth Brown with Jay McShann
Ron Carter
Paco
Sonny Rollins
Dianne Reeves
My wife likes cabaret/standards/showtunes whatever you want to call it so probably Mandy Patinkin, Stacey Kent and Betty Buckley. Probably throw a little "world" stuff in too.
Posted by: Nostril-Damus, Ruthless, CAEveryone, check out this EMG review:
http://ruthlessreviews.com/music/s/steelydaneverythingmustgo.html
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYI'm still recovering.
That having been said, I wanted to say thanks to everyone who came to the Bacchanal...Ed & Laura, LWO, YGK, Aus and Jutta, Skippy, the Aussies, AJA (I couldn't forget you, even if Aus was too impaired to type you on the list!), Sandy, Penny & Co., HOOPS (Thanks for the tiara..I'm sleeping with it on!), Jason (sporting the Dean & Deluca shirt...I got him so liquored up on Zombies I thought he'd be spending the show in his trunk!), Nigey and Co, Pete (on whose suggestion I might just go into the Danfest catering business!) and Shari...we had quite the crowd!
4 pounds of shrimp cocktail ($20)
5 fezzes ordered from the internet ($20)
6 pounds of mozzarella and roasted pepper salad ($18)
8 pitchers of Zombies (all totalled, probably about $150)
35 cocoa shells for above referenced Zombies $40)
Getting to see both my favorite band and some of my favorite people in the same night....priceless.
You guys were awesome. What a party.
Wish we could go back...and do it again.
See you at Roseland.
I'll be the one in the tiara.
LadyB
Posted by: Little Wild One, The house near the Gulf Coast The Things I Miss the Most
(a/k/a commemorative flashes from the weekend that was the SD show, Jones Beach, circa 2003)
10. Kamikaze cabbies and the almost assured response from the designated driver of the rental car,(F*** you!!!);
9. The NY state of mind that infused the JB parking lot crowd pre- and post-show....it was a luv thang! Many thanks to our superb hostess, Lady B, and assorted partners in crime, Aussie, YGK, Lisa G., hef (fef?), Sandy and others, (whose names, for now, slip below the horizon line);
8. Serving and sharing libations and sensations to various and sundry members of the Wreck-less crew ALL hours of the day and night (it's noon somewhere, right?);
7. The Babylon Turnpike....(TAKE IT!!);
6. The talk (you two know who you are....);
5. The sex (ok, channeling Ed on this one...PERHAPS he knows something that I don't);
4. Somebody to harmonize with (especially to the WOH parody..."Patron in Tears"...DAMN!);
3. The comfy Wellington Suite (Room 1220, likely still Wrecked);
2. The good cobber mates, (Alan and Scotty...consider yourselves adopted!!);
1. Walt, Don (and the rest of the '03 tour group!!!)
These are the things I miss the most!
Have fun in Nissan everyone!!! I'll be waiting impatiently to hear from ya! XOXO
Posted by: Joey , Hello My Steely Brothers and Sisters .................
Check out this link :
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists.html
Steely Dan as # 57 ?!?!?!?!
WTF ?!?!?!?!
Horrors ..........................
JOESEE !
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter, you have excellent taste in music. I have to agree with you in that fusion produced by DiMeola, Corea, and Mclaughlin are more hard core, edgy, and frenetic that that of the style displayed on Aja. Aja has an innovative edge over other music of the day with it's heavy jazz influence, and is more "listener-friendly" to recent jazz enthusiasts than the former artists. Heavy fusion would tend to give those new to or less interested in jazz a proverbial headache, in my opinion.
Posted by: Dave, Mohangover SunJust some random observations on last nights Mohegan sun show.
It may not have been a Danfest but a nice group of people enjoyed cocktails at the seafood place accross from the falls. mmmmm....good oysters!
The arena is a very nice facility. I was told it holds about 10,000 people for concerts, but since most of the back of the stage arena was closed, I'd say there were anywhere from 7-8,000. It dosn't seem like there is a bad seat in the house as the balcony is only about 12 rows deep at best. Sitting on the floor, I thought the sound was very good, and enjoyed the video screen imagery.
I will agree with previous postings as to the late arriving crowd, and alot of early exiters.
The music\setlist was predictably good. I know the song FM has taken a beating on this board in the past, but the more I hear it (this is my 3rd show on the tour)the more I like it. It is an upbeat tune that even the most casual of dan-fan knows (and believe me there were alot of them). It is by far Walter's longest and best solo, its got a thumping bass beat, and a great horn segment in the middle.
Haitian divorce, I've said it before, just dosn't seem to fit. I like Walt's singing and really like Slang alot, but this song is like a gator or a snake that just ate a large animal: it just drags along and never really gets off the ground. get rid of it, or let Don sing it at least.
Speaking of Donald, love the long white shirt, scruffy, mad-scientist look. very cool.
One more show to go, cant wait for wallingford.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynMan with no face - Aja soloing is close to the kind of fusion played by the players they were using then, like Joe Sample-ish, Lee Ritenour-ish, Larry Carlton-ish, but it's nowhere near McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, or that kind of fusion of that era. Or not?
Posted by: Man with no face, 1) SD went from a guitarcentric maintstream rock band to a psuedo jazz fusion style with Aja and Gaucho yet maintained guitar in the forefront on many songs. Aja the song with the extended soloing is the closest to the fusion of the day. Don's solo work continues the move away from the old SD. Mostly it still fits in with the pop music expectations of the day.
2) 2VN and EMG explore different pop and jazz forms from within a tightly arranged psuedo jazz context. The rock guitar is gone, leads are Walter blues noodles. Extended soloing is on sax. I find this music just as compelling, although very different than their earlier sounds.
3) This fits into no current commercial music genre. Its not new or classic rock or "smooth" jazz. Its too sonically challenging for "listen while you work" adult contemporary. Donald's voice is not as strong as it once was and is unfriendly to that format also. It takes repeated listens to "get" it. Thus...
4) They will never be in any kind of commercial radio rotation. Nor will they find much play non-commercially because of their major label status and long history. They will get a little airplay upon release just like they did this time around but only for the most easily digestable stuff.
5) I don't think they actually want to do anything other than the creative work. They are certainly not going to go out of their way to promote the record. I don't think D&W care if it sells one hundred thousand or one million copies.
6) The question is will Time-Warner let them go on like this, grammys or no. They must have lost money on EMG unless something is going on that we don't know about. Perhaps there is enough prestige associated with have SD on the label that they will let them continue on in this vein. I certainly hope so.
Posted by: ed beatty, @homeTop Ten Reasons that The Bayside Bacchanal/SD show was FFFING Great
Or why I was glad to be there.
10. Aussie’s Magical Mystical Concoctions in the cooler
9. The Steely Dan Show
8. Lady Bayside arranging for the lightning show above the venue during the Keith Carlock drum solo
7. Hoop’s sporting a fez for the night and more.
6. Aussie’s contribution of the Bayside Bacchanal ID’S (adults only)
5. The sex
4.The Aussie’s from way down under who had to check out SD and Jones Beach
3. The Zombies in the coco-shell
2. The crowning of Lady Bayside with TIARA
1. Walter and Donald of course
Posted by: YGK, NYCGreg: Try the link below:
http://www.carolynleonhart.com/recordings.shtml
ygk
Posted by: Greg, Moncton, NBHi to all,
Just a question to concert-goers. Can anyone tell if me copies of back-up singer Carolyn's Leonhart's solo disc are for sale at the concerts? It's unobtainable in my hometown, and I am holding off from ordering online if I can avoid shipping costs by buying a copy in person. Thanks in advance!
Posted by: Gretchen, Lake NostalgiaRAJ-
The Revolution will not be televised..........
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYTicketmonger still has Roseland tix available.
Posted by: Wondering, if...Does anyone here know if the Roseland shows are sold out or almost sold out?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWell I guess it depends on your perspective. It was a different era. Their music doesn't move with the times, it's in the "Noosphere", as the long essay on Fever Dreams says. And I don't think alot of those guys ever "played" with them for more than a few studio sessions , McDonald maybe being the exception. I remember reading an interview with Mark Knopfler where he said he didn't even know what the hell he was being asked to play or do.
Posted by: danfiend, Mark
Godspeed to your daughter. I wish her a speedy recovery. She'll be chopping up blocks again in no time.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Peter thanks for the tip, now why do you think it is that very rarely, if ever, have the big name sidemen come back to SD these last ten years? Is it a money issue, you think, or personalities, LA vs. NY, or just that the Carltons and Shorters and McDonalds and all the rest don't need to do those kind of gigs anymore?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynMy experience has been that if you follow the five guys who played with Miles on the We Want Miles album - Mike Stern, guitar; Bill Evans, sax; Marcus Miller, bass; Al Foster, drums; Mino Cinelu, percussion; albums by them as leaders, albums they play on as sidemen, and the albums by other guys on the albums, you constantly run across Steely people. But in different contexts.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.I'll cop to that, Peter, yes, I wish SD would just really can everything like they seem to be threatening and reconfigure into the classic four man ensemble and play some really squirrely jazz. But I'm afraid there'd be revolution. It would take some big stones to do that.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYeah but you could make the same case about Steely Dan at this point in time, can't you? Especially if you compare them to people like Bill Evans and Bill Laswell who are constantly pushing the envelope with their music and not caving in to commercial pressures.
Posted by: Zim, NW hills of CTGretchen-Sounds like Mohegan was a near orgasmic experience for you, and a hundred bucks too! A darn good night huh? Picked up some last minutes tix to Oakdale-where are your seats? Looking forward to it! Zim
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Thank you Randall, very informative article on the state of music today including a brief historical survey of how the industry has developed, or should I say devolved, over the last fifty years. He's right - there's NO place for SD on the radio today. Weird stuff out of lockstep with the pop bullshit always tests poorly. I think it points to the greater malaise of our cultural interests becoming ever narrower, partly because of what we are fed and partly our own damn fault, while people become more and more trapped in that "bag" that John Lennon used to sing about. It's yet another failure of our generation. And I'm afraid I have to join Walter in his sentiment that the bulk of young people, especially, are rigid, are boring and unwilling to entertain cultural forms outside the little tiny closets in which they've entrapped their minds. I'm now going to throw my chair through the window and plunge 27 floors down into the abyss. Oh wait, I've got Allman and Dan tix coming up, OK, I'll wait till Xmas.
Posted by: Randall, Direct from LhasaGreetings Scurvy Brothers (and sisters),
Interesting article Bigfan posted regarding declining CD sales: http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B3F08CBE9-2416-42CB-A7FA-12D8D4471141%7D&siteid=google&dist=google.
If the article is accurate, then it makes sense that the Dan is focusing on their old (and still great) material during their concerts. The article says it's the 40+ crowd that is buying all the CDs (I suspect that it is roughly this demographic that makes up the bulk of SD concert goers). It also says that this segment is restocking their CD collections with albums of their (relatively speaking) youth. While I'm sure all of us Dan fanatics already have multiple copies of many (if not all) Dan albums, I'm sure there are many casual Dan fans of this demographic that might be motivated to buy new copies of the Dan's older stuff after seeing them live. While this may not do much for EMG, it may increase album sales overall for the band (and record label). This could be a case where EMG promotion and sales are sacrificed for the greater good. I guess a way to test the hypothesis is to see if there have been any "spikes" in other Dan CDs since the tour started.
Anyway..that is my analysis..or, whatever.
See you at Nissan.
Posted by: HeyMike, These suburban streetsMark in Boston--our prayers go out to you bud. Here's hoping you'll be "watching her wax her skis" in no time!
Posted by: Amigo, SACD/CD Hybrid of Gaucho now at Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000AYL17/qid=1061909935/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/002-3971977-1918467
Posted by: Gretchen, PAUL MAHONEY-
We had a little Danfest (about 10 of us) by the big waterfall, at the bar there. Started at 6 pm. Sorry you didn't know. I'm going to Wallingford, too, so anyone who wants to meet up before the show either email me or post here. Thanks!
Posted by: Gretchen, Laughing PinesGreat show last night. Met Bigfan, Pete Fogel, Jane Lightning and two wonderful aussie gents Scotty and Alan. Huge crowd, lots of dancing (and drinking)but I guess it fits the casino atmosphere. Like Bigfan said, a very decadent setting but great to indulge in the Dan. Setlist the same, but the rendition of Aja was breathtaking and nearly brought me to tears. (First time seeing Don in person had a lot to do with this, also). Home At Last was dreamy, melancholy and pure delight. I like Walt's bluesy version of Haitian Divorce. I did, however see people streaming out for a break during this and "Slang". Would love to hear Walt doing "Book of Liars" for leg 2. I think his voice has a world-weary rough edge that's so typical of a true blues singer (think JJ Cale). The video background was a nice effect, adding to the surreal atmosphere. I was just rather awestruck with seeing my first SD show, and was trying to take everything in at once. The close ups of Don on the large screens were an unexpected pleasure. He had that sexy-scruffy look going on, and his voice is soooo sensual. I love the way he looks in a white shirt, and that's what he had on last night. He's too incredible for words. Honeybun, bluprintblue, if you could have been there! The girls did a great version of "Parker's Band", very energetic and sweet. The crowd really got into the encores, My Old School and FM, as from what I could see, everyone was up and dancing. All in all a high energy party atmosphere. Of course I got the Aja shirt, and got many compliments on my hand made silk "Aja" wrap. Carlock is truly amazing. Where did they find this kid? Usually I'm not into drum solos but he is out of this world. If his solo on "Josie" doesn't make you feel good, there's no hope! His enthusiasm and energy is a pleasure to watch. All in all, a great evening. After the show I won $100 at the slot machines, so a very pleasurable end to a great night. Now I'm totally "Danned" and can't wait for Oakdale and Roseland. Anyone going to future shows, you're in for a wonderful experience!! Scotty and Alan, it was a pleasure, have a safe trip home! Davis, where were you? Love to all.........G (aja)
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Meali, mi amigo, mi cuor in dolor per Joe & Poppi. Just goes to show, the Dannies va a tutto il mondo per bootlegs de Ronald & Beeker.
Posted by: paul mahoney (the fez man), gardner,mass.Well, first time at mohegan sun arena,and really enjoyed the show as usual,disapointed that there was no danfest to speak of and if anyone has any info for wallingford an e-mail would be appreciated.I hope the boy's come back again soon,looks like 2 or 3 years after this tour,way to long to think about.Want to thank all of the fan's for sending me e-mails of their pics with me,i can't believe the response from people about the "fez"and the mansfield show as a whole,what a great bunch of people,see you all at wallingford....paul mahoney
Posted by: Meal Reviewer , CaliCuando soldados murdify mi poppi he be workin en el jardin de los tomatos. Cuando murdify "Maricon Joe" es gran situaccion! They cum with frogman suits, many soldados, Amphibuous Swat Team, how you say it, with the bow and arra, to murdify. "Maricon" es el gran smugglador del mundo de STEVIE DAN MUSIC! This loco man he travil to Roma, Mejico, Sheecago (he haff prostitua en "Maginificent Mile de Michigan Avenue," Allerton Motel) Bangakok, China, all the wurl for top collecion de tapes. He disperse to the peepil in the night from his *undercover milk truck*. They hit him in the manhood with the bow and arra, he roll en la calle para dos horas screaming "Please make mine a double Sam! Please make mine a double Sam!" Mi popps, they hit him in the breathe with RONALD Look, no air get in su mouth no more, he murdified in the dirt.
Posted by: Big Fan, at home still bleary eyedGood morning. I’m rising late and taking the day off – last day for the kids before school starts tomorrow. Had a great time last night. Seats weren’t on the floor but were enjoyable none the less.
1. Very large crowd – 9000+ I would guess. At least twice what they had in NH.
2. Sound was better – apparently nobody liked the sound in NH including the band. This was better.
3. It’s not a Danfest without Hoops, but Pete Fogel and Shari were there. Great to see them at a concert finally! Hoops you would have had a great time and we missed you!!!!! The casino is just alive with activity – the Steely Dan concert is just an afterthought.
4. Danfest was well attended. Mohegan Sun is a typical casino – the decadence is everywhere. What a change from the peaceful, simple New England city of Manchester. It isn’t quite the Sodom and Gomorra that Las Vegas is – at least I didn’t see any prostitutes.
5. Gretchen – nice to meet you – great scarf!!! I drove the SUV to the casino, but my wife drove home while I slept.
6. Of course Jane Lightning and Mr. Jane were there – we’re hooking up at Saratoga Friday – more on that later.
7. First concert I’ve ever been frisked at – had to pull out my car keys from my pocket. I have a permit to carry concealed in CT – good thing the mini Glock wasn’t along.
8. There was a video feed on each side of the stage – tremendous shots of the band. I’d pay a stack of those black chips for a copy of that!
9. Set list the same – bummer. Show started at 7:15 – ended at 10:15. Intros had no personal chat – weddings, etc.
10. Very late filling in crowd – many weren’t there by 8. Lot’s left early – had to get back to those tables. Lot’s more drinking in the crowd – very few Steely Dan t-shirts – unlike NH or Boston where lot’s of people had them on.
11. Girls wore black skirts with red/pink tops. Cynthia’s may have been the same, but Carolyn’s was a halter with diamond patterns she kept tugging at all night.
12. Don did let the crowd sing parts of Hey 19 – I guess he didn’t trust the NH crowd to know the words. Don made a crack at the start of FM that this was the last of the Mohegan’s – different tribe I think Don – lol.
13. All in all a nice show – we were too tired to even sit and play one hand of blackjack at the $6 table.
CD sales ecline - is quality the reason:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B3F08CBE9-2416-42CB-A7FA-12D8D4471141%7D&siteid=google&dist=google
I'd say that marketing was the problem for the newest one. Cmon - Pixeleen would sound great on the radio.
I actually heard Blues Beach on the sound system at the local McDonald's last week - talk about a SD moment!
Posted by: Boston Rag, fade and clickHoops - the answers to your 8 track trivia. I spent most of my youth driving with the 8-track blasting Steely Dan.
CBAT - no tracks chopped
CTE - fade and click on Boston Rag (track 3 to 4)
PL - no tracks chopped
KL - fade and click on Rose Darling (track 1 to 2) and Daddy ..NYC
(track 3 to 4)
Scam - fade and click on Everything You Did (track 3 to 4)
Aja - fade and click on Deacon Blues (track 1 to 2)
Gaucho - ??? I dumped my 8-track player in 1978.
Shame on me for knowing this stuff!
A tough day. My daughter had 7 hours of surgery to correct a curve in her lower spine today. She's doing really well and probably having a morphine dream right now of her first concert last week - Steely Dan in Manchester, NH.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThanks again to everyone for a great weekend. I can't even begin to thank everyone. Sandy--a special hug to you and your bug.
The thing about Carlock is this endless cycle, best exemplified during the "Josie" solo. Keith plays the solo better than ever before, and then the next night you figure it will be as good and instead EVERY NIGHT he outdoes the night before. Keith's like an Olympic athlete who breaks his previous record on every subsequent event.
I got a kick of Jay Black ruffling or noogie-ing Donald Friday. Joey, dare I mention that Jay almost nuzzled Donald?
Jason, watch out for that Dandom Digest guy. Last time I used something from the Digest he sued me.
And now for an 8-track trivia questions: On the old GRT 8-Track Stereo versions of the ABC Steely Dan albums (you remember the periwinkle blue cartridges, don't you?), what songs were cut in half between track changes. (Of course, the quad versions only had two programs instead of four so t'wasn't an issue,
Tangentially, my first copy of "Aja" was on cassette and I still am used to the title track opening the first side.
REMEMBER: Supposedly, the SACD of "Gaucho" is due out tomorrow in the USA.
In September, Chalap and McPartland each have their own stands at Chicago's "Jazz Showcase." The Jazz Showcase is one of the oldest jazz clubs in the US to still be run by the original management (in this case, the Siegel Brothers). They have been running it since 1947, if memory serves me right.
This weekend is the Chicago Jazzfest. Hard to believe that it was a year ago we had the Chicago Danfest and Jazzfest with Katy Lied, Wayne Shorter and Phil Woods performances. Lot of discussion this year about how it needs some new life. Maybe the opening of the new music shed in Grant Park next year will make next year's show a bigger do.
Wish I was in CT tonight. I'm sure Big Fan and friends are having a great time.
h
Posted by: danfiend, Hello Danizens
I want to take this time to give a proper Thanks to all the people who made the Jones Beach experience one for the ages.
First and foremost to the Wreck-less Crew: Scotty, Fanodan, Mr. Sam, LWO, and South of Hollywood, I love each and every one of you! Thanks for EVERYTHING! I mean it! We HAVE to do it again SOON!
Secondly to our lovely hostess at JB, Lady Bayside for a smashing wingding. It was certainly among the best Danfests I've ever attended!
Thirdly to all the folks who I met for the first time: Aussie, Residual Ed and his lovely daughter, YGK, Jason, and those too numerous to mention. Especially the people in our impromptu singing act in the post-fest. We outta take our act on the road. It was great! My throat is STILL sore.
Fourthly being able to see Pete Fogel, the lovely Shari and Hoops again was the icing on the cake.
Lastly to the big guys themselves, Donald and Walter for giving us a reason to get together in the first place. There's no way I can show my appreciation. Thanks SO much.
To those who I didn't get a chance to give it to, my email is listed for those who want to keep in touch.
Let's do it again real soon! Roseland, anyone?
Danfiend
PS: Thinking of you every minute Scotty and Alan. Hugs and kisses.
Posted by: YGK, NYCJoey: incorrect sir - he did nothing of the sort - walked on and off.....didn't get past Fagen to bring anything to him.......and if he did, that would have been an insult.....
Posted by: Jason, very tempted to jump in the car & head to CTReprinted w/o permissions from the Dandom Digest for Aug 16-20,2003
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:39:59 EDT
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Mailing address for the BEBOP T is: BEBOP DADDYS, Five East Noyes Street, Arlington Heights, IL 60005 check or money order accepted! We have received an unprecedented amount of orders since Donald Fagen has added the BEBOP T to his concert stage attire! Thank you Donald!
If you haven't seen the shirt, email me for a jpg of the T-shirt design! The shirt is a gorgeous periwinkle blue. Get yours today at the LAST MALL!
Steve
Posted by: Honeybun, Any help regarding the Be Bop Daddys t shirt? Someone must be able to tell me...
Thanks
HB
Posted by: Joey , " Hey you Jones Beachers - what the heck did Jay Black do onstage? "
He handed Walter's guitar to him .
{ CA - RACK }
Base hit !
JOESEE !
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomMy girl Gretchen! You better come back with details! I know you are going to trip the light fantastic...
Posted by: Davis, BostonI used to think it was
"Reeeling in the E's" How the hell do you do that anyway?
Posted by: Rindy, NYCCathy Berberian (http://members.aol.com/danomalley/steelydan/) - courtesy of the Steely Dan dictionary - this is a cool site if you haven't checked it out yet
It's updated to 2vN, but not yet for EMG
American avant-garde vocalist, born 4th July 1928, died 1983. Her chameleonic vocal style is typified by her rendition of Luciano Berio's Visage (1961), an improvisational piece consisting of sighing, crying, laughing, moaning, groaning and stammering!
-Rindy
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynBrian Sweet's books have alot of info on Cathy B. So does Peter Lavazolli's book.
Posted by: Fiend dude, Fiend, CB is this amazing singer with an otherworldly range and vocal ability. She focuses on Classical music. Just knew she'd have to be amazing for D&W to give a nod to her. When she heard it, she bought copies of CTE and gave them to her family and friends.
Posted by: YGK, NYCCathy Berberian is a subversive Dan-o-file who is able to appear at Dan fests/shows with little notice. Inside tracker. Showed up at the Hall of Fame Week fetes - got inside stuff......
ygk
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.So who was/is Cathy Berberian?
Posted by: danfiend, Walter introduced Jay Black and Donald introduced Charlap.
Posted by: danfiend, Another roundMisheard Lyrics
Dr. Wu: "she is lovely, yes she's Fly" (shows my age)
TTHOA: "We walk across a William Ride"
Kid C.: "Day long, Day long, Kid Charlemange"
Brooklyn: "Brooklyn knows the Trauma under me"
and when I was little:
"Are you really in the sheaves?" No lie. Damn Lizzie.
Posted by: Aunt Faye, Long IslandUm, as far as I know, Cathy Berberian, Jill St. John, and Tuesday Weld are not fictional characters. Neither are Elvis or Sinatra. I, however AM...or at least that's how I felt after one of Lady Bayside's Zombies in de coco shell!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynDonald introduced Charlap.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYGK, you're really off. Walter - that's the guitar player - introduced him.
Posted by: YGK, NYCUnless I'm really off, Donald - that's the keyboard player - introduced Jay Black......
ygk
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Walter has emotions? Huh, whoda thunkit.
Actually, Aqualung and Pixeleen wouldn't work out too well. She'd kick his ass big time. Probably cut him with that knife from her go-go boot, yea, - and watch him bleed. Most of those SD babes are either dangerous, demented, or dysfunctional. Name one normal character; gotta be one somewhere.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynActually introducing Jay Black was/is/will be about as emotional as you will ever probably see Becker get, he seemed almost choked up when he said "I want to introduce the first guy who really believed in us," or something like that.
Posted by: Gretchen, CTRaj-
How about if we introuduce Pixeleen to Aqualung?
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Yikes maybe they should start bringing on all the fictional characters we've come to know and love over the years on stage. Lonnie, Jive Miguel, one more chimp, Cathy Berberian, Lady Bayside, Snake Mary, Josie, Peg, Dr. Wu, Carlo, Babs & Clean Willie, Tuesday Weld, Jill St. John, Dr Warren Krueger, and of course, Elvis & Sinatra.
Actually, they ought to let Meali-boy and Barna take a bow. That's entertainment.
Posted by: lucky henry, angel: thank you!
my most embarrasing Misheards, both from Nightfly:
"my nom de plume..." (my Mandarin Plum)
and the one I caught Hell for: "we fart..." (we fought)
Heard Green Book on NPR yesterday. Digest discussion a few weeks back made mention of a Danfan on NPR. Not sure if this was resolved, but could it be Harry Shearer, biting political satirist/humorist who hosts "le show"?
One mis-cue, though: at the start of "this week's apologies" segment, he accidentally hit another Dan track; sounded like 3 notes from KC, then got it right: "we're so sorry Uncle Albert..."
lh
Posted by: Is it just me..., Or does anyone else hear the wind whistling through the lonesome pines?
Posted by: YGK, NYCRajah: Jay did his "Clapper" performing routine:
Walk On.
Walk Off.
Jay Black, man.
He didn't even get too close to DF's board......
ygk
Posted by: Laina, Procrastination StationMeal Reviewer: "Mi wefi Barna se gano' un *Steely Dan Party Thong* en Ebay auction! She say I wear it like *Necktie* next gig! No me gusta! She say I too much of nothin with my stink attitude!"
Meali...You are COMEDY!!! *grins*
Lainalove
Posted by: Gretchen, ZIM_
Although being stranded on a desert island with either of them would be wiggy, I'm afraid I'd just have to choose Don. I'd never want to come back! 7.5 hours to showtime.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Hey you Jones Beachers - what the heck did Jay Black do onstage? This is the "Jay" of Jay & the Americans, no?
Posted by: Aussie, New York, NYAn Evening with Steely Dan at Jones Beach Ampitheatre, Wantaugh, NY, last Friday August 22, 2003 anno domini.
First, major kudos to Lady Bayside for busting her hump in ensuring an phenomenal DanFest in the parking lot outside the stadium. Her Zombies from a coco shell were a huge hit, as were the variety of delicacies neatly laid out, Martha Stewart style, on a well dressed table.
The cast of characters, YGK, SouthofHollywood, Little Wild One, Ed and his lovely charming daughter Laura, Hoops, Pete Fogel and Sharri, the Australian contingency, LisaG, and a whole host of others made the event even more memorable.
Weather threatened but Mother Nature never delivered the goods and the ponchos never made it out of our Audi TT.....but the digital camera SURE did, and from our front row seats were able to get a few great shots of the babe choir, Walter, and one slightly out of focus one of Donald in action. I hope to be able to post these in conjunction with Hoops as soon as he gets the Jones Beach Danfest website up to share with you all, my pleasure.....
And speaking of pleasure, I had these really professional fully laminated with lanyards "Pleasure Passes" made up for about fifty lucky Dan fans...those went over exceptionally well.....Beemer, you've got one coming your way via United States Postal Service. For the record, no one was tossed out on their butts for wearing these (the disclaimer on the back of the passes would make any lawyer squeal with pleasure). I also concoted two diffrent batches of potent potables - Gin Bucket and a Rhum Bucket....Ed and the others will probably post later attesting to the lethal yet pleasureable potency of these Dan Inspired libations.
After a few hours of hard partying before the show, the crowd slowly made their way inside the Ampitheatre. From the looks of things the show was compleatly sold out. I bought the Greek coffee cup Tee shirt in pastel blue for myself and for my wife the wonderwaif inspired Steely Dan baby tee-shirt in pastel pink....both look great.
The show was amazing. Same set list as all others I believe. The sound quality, even for us in the front row could not have been any better....crystal clear and loud. I cannot get into a song-by-song review as your faithful and humble narrator was influenced by many drinks, fine Columbian smoke, deloodin, etc. plus I had not taken any notes during the entire show at all.
Mr. Carlock is not from this world...he whaled away with robotic precision, and never mis-hit anything from his impressive drum kit (Paiste cymbals).
The background graphics were all tastefully done, and at some points resembled those that may be seen at a Pink Floyd or Allman Brothers concert (meaning trippy).
John Herrington: What a talented musician! His riffs were scalding hot and he played with such ease....looked very relaxed the entire time and acknowledged the appreciative crowd after every tune he smoked. Simply amazing.
Walter Becker: never sounded bettre. The look on his face was one of a man having the time of his life. His playing was equally superb. He and Mr. Herrington marry their distinctive playing styles seamlessly and it works very nicely....killer smoooooth.
The Horns: These guys lit the place on fiyahh.
Jim Pugh: Incredible. Who would ever think a trombonist could be positively accretive to a stellar line up of musicians? This guy takes you to school and keeps you after for detention, just to make sure you understand.
On the sax: Walt Weiskopf. Holy shit. One word: WOW.
Cornelius Bumpus: Soul emanates from this man's every pore:Amazing
On trumpet, Michael Leonhart: terrifically laid grooves, also imbued with plenty of funk and soul.
The Babe Choir: Midriffs exposed except for Ms. Mizelle. Incredibly sexy trio grooved so hard, sang so well (Parkre's Band was deliciously rendered)that yours truly was afflicted with lockjaw. Before the start of their first encore, I presented each lady with two dozen red roses, these were very well received especially for Cynthia Calhoun who lifted the bunch over her head and thanked yours truly.
Donald Fagen: No flubbed lines. Rocked mine and everybody's world who was present. Plenty of banter with audience, and he, like Mr. Becker looked relaxed and very happy to be performing...terrific job (Caves of Altamira was nailed by Mr. Fagen...amazing)
The entire Band: I thought they sounded better than they did in their Two Against Nature Tour. Better show all around. Go see it. Worth every piaster you can borrow.
I left plenty of additional colour out of this first salvo since I'm just getting back from our beach house and I'm exhausted, but I will post more impressions/granularity tomorrow.
Finally, to all who made the Bayside Bacchanal what it was: Thank you, and to all those wonderful Dan fans I met for the first time: Pleasure meeting and partying with you all!
Yours truly,
Aus
post scriptte. Bill: where were you????
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "Other Armadillos/Folks like Un Me!"A GREAT Site I've discovered for more MisHeards is amiright.com! It pretty much covers ALL Musical Genres and there's a pretty decent cache of SD MisHeards as well! Of course,expect the "Usual Suspects" to show up in terms of the ones that USED to receive Airplay,WAY BACK in the Day (when they RECEIVED AIRPLAY,outside of Supermarkets an Wood Paneled Elevators!) They also allow you to submit your own Parodies,so "Use your Mouse as a "Rapier", n yo're NO MORE than ONE CLICK away! Have Fun!
Oh,CAN'T RESIST! One More fromIGY: "On that tree,all Graphite n Glitter!" (For the LONGEST TIME, I thought he was referring to a Creosote Telephone Pole! Honestly!)
Cheers!-Mo Lei
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA
Steely-folk,
For those in the NYC area, tickets are still available for Steve Winwood at the Beacon Theatre (concert date: October 9th); I managed to nab 13th row when they went on sale last week; Tickets are $78.
Winwood is touring to support what may be his finest solo effort, 'About Time' (2003). His set lists thus far have had emphasis on classic Traffic material, which falls in line with the material on his new album. The album embraces extended song forms with emphasis on improvisation and "world music" oriented percussion along the lines of the classic works of Santana, with Winwood making facile use of his abilities on B-3 organ as a centerpiece. Surely one of the best releases of 2003; more in-depth analysis and review coming soon to my site:
http://hometown.aol.com/nightfly62/Nightfly.html
Randy / NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
Posted by: Zim, hills of NW CtWuDuF-I agree! It would have to be Walter if stranded. And maybe it wouldn't be so bad on a desert island with them. At least the tunes would be good.
Posted by: Scotty & Alan, Mohegan SunGretchen - Looks like the place to be is under the falls at 6pm. See you there !
Alan charmed his way into the arena this morning with one of the security guards and got to see the venue and the roadies setting up. No really bad seats anywhere.
For those coming out to Mohegan for the first time, brace yourselves. This place is mind blowing !!
Alan & I have been overwhelmed with the genrosity and hospitality shown to us by EVERYONE we have met. We have still to meet a Steely Dan fan that we don't like.
On one of these outrageously expensive internet kiosks, so will check back in later.
South - Is there gas in the car ?
Cheers Diggers !!!
Scotty & Alan
Posted by: Doctor Wu, New JerseyMisheard lyrics:
Bad Sneakers - "including yours and mine and one more Chip who isn't here"
Doctor Wu - "she is lovely, yes she's fine, and you're..."
And the Boston Rag one already mentioned regarding being laid at Bayside
I'm sure there is more
Posted by: davis, BostonGretchen, Ill be looking for you tonight at Moheagan!!
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliVaca negrita! Vaca negrita! You juego Vaca negrita en mi conga drum en adgio, 66-76 metronomic markos! "En la esquina, de mi ojo, yo vie tu en Rudy's, estabas boracho! Estabas boracho!" Chickies love Vaca negrita, they rub mi but and say Take me down to outrageous Green Street baby! Scotch tapin' the whiskey all night long!
Mi wefi Barna se gano' un *Steely Dan Party Thong* en Ebay auction! She say I wear it like *Necktie* next gig! No me gusta! She say I too much of nothin with my stink attitude!
En mi countri we have "Abba":
You are the dancin queen
Tan and lean
With that Afro sheen
And only seventeen
El presidente say "Abba" is OK but no STEE DAN! Subversive thought control musica! Cuando mi poppi have DON FAGE TAPE THE FLY souljahs die his head in mommi tomato garden, in the black dirt of the heavy vegetables! Is bad countri. In Santa Monica Mall dude give me "flyer":
Is your woman doing her fingernails during sex?
Que this mean?
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Misheard LyricsMy sister will kill me for telling this one on her but...
She would walk around singing Bodhisattva when we were kids only she'd be singing..."Police Driver, would you take me by the hand..." I, of course, NEVER misheard a lyric...Other than the infamous
"You hide in the bushes, BIRD of a man, with Luger in hand..." That and about a hundred others...Yikes...SOH
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Doulble Dreamin (a Page at a Time)Just back from "Drillin' Down the Database,and thought I'd cap off my MisHeards with this "Martini Shot" from "Hey 19:"
"Whose vow is constant,where the hell am I?"
Posted by: Jane Lightning, Any WorldGathering place for the Mohegan Sun Danfest: Taughannick Falls
www.mohegansun.com/dining/lounges_bars.jsp
"Enjoy a cocktail with your friends in front of Taughannick Falls, an 85-foot indoor waterfall flowing down to Chahnameed's Island." And somewhere near the arena. See you at 6:00.
Posted by: Gretchen, The room at the top of the stairsScotty-I will ask for you tomorrow night at Mohegan. Don't know what you look like, though. If anyone else is going to Monday night's show at Mohegan Sun I will be Sec LWR14, Row U, Seat 16. (Although I don't know where the hell that is). If you see something reminiscent of the AJA album cover, that's me. Whomever wishes to email me before the show please feel free! See you all tomorrow evening.
Posted by: garden wall climber, MassachusettsHere's another one. My son referred to "Lemon-on Sisters" the other day.
Posted by: oleander, ok, never mindApparently they conflated Nissan with Merriweather Post. Ben Folds is playing at the latter the same night with Tori Amos.
Oh well.
Posted by: oleander, slowly I turned....Hey!
Anybody know anything about this? From the WAMU website (http://www.wamu.org/tickets/np-steelydan.php):
NISSAN PAVILION
Steely Dan
with Ben Folds
Wednesday, August 27 at 7:30pm
OFFICIAL RULES
To enter to win 2 ticketsto Nissan Pavilion with featured guest Steely Dan on WEDNESDAY, August 27th, 7:30pm, you must submit your full name, telephone number, email address (optional but preferred) on the entry form below and submit it. Only one entry per person is permitted....etc.
...??BEN FOLDS??
Posted by: Mo Leisure, In the Door-By 10-Again!Danfiend,
LMAO at your "Misheards" of GE :)
Posted by: Mo Leisure, In the Door-By 10-Again!Danfiend,
LMAO at your "Misheards" of GE :)
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Outside the Stadium...Yet EVEN MO Misheards.....
This is how I first heard from BabSis:
"We'll jog or Chauffeur,condescend!"
Posted by: Again, YesMis-heard lyric....
"You were laid in Bayside"
Posted by: Steely Show?, ??????Did they ever actually play this tune?
Posted by: RobWired, Where Bird is fromSome more (barely) misheard lyrics:
''Use tact, poison reason ...''
Posted by: danfiend, Mo Misheard lyrixOh, I almost forgot this one. And I SWEAR I actually recall thinking this when I was small
"Baloney is my old friend"
Posted by: danfiend, Back in CHIMore misheard lyrics:
"Curl, Larry, Moe, flies on me"
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "MisHeard Lyrics""As you can see for your cellphone girl,in the Green Book!"
Posted by: oleander, down for ManassasSo who's going to Nissan (Manassas) Wednesday??
Will be heading that way w/ the P'squeeze, fezo and (I hope) Roy.Scam in tow.... Andy? Hutch?
Posted by: Honeybun, Hi, could anyone possibly post the details on how to get one of the 'Be Bop Daddy's' t shirts. I accidentally deleted the dandom digest with the info in it. Any idea if they'll take an order from the UK?
Thanks
Honeybun
Posted by: angel, Here you go Lucky Henry. Since it is so short, I posted the lyrics here, too.
http://www.steelydan.com/sdshow.html
THE STEELY DAN SHOW
Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, ©2000
Boys and Girls
They come from all around
From dear old Stockholm
To Copenhagen town
Forget their troubles
In tasty riddum n' rime
So here you are
And now it's party time
Wrap your mind
Around this sound
And let the goodness ripple down
Goodbye to Lonely Street
You're in the Catbird Seat
At THE STEELY DAN SHOW
If you got backpacks
And pointy little shoes
Late-model roadsters
Or just those walkin' blues
A case of heartache
That you're too numb to fight
A secret sorrow
That keeps you up all night
Well don't you fret
It's not your fault
Just lay it all on Don and Walt
Just trip out on these hits
The groove that never quits
At THE STEELY DAN SHOW
[Sax Solo]
So buy a program
And/or a hat
You don't pass up a deal like that
It's only promo stuff
But hey it's good enough
For THE STEELY DAN SHOW
Posted by: David (formerly known as Tapeworm, Atlantic CityLucky Henry,
A pleasure to meet you last night. The sound in my seat (Row L directly in front of the Bare Midfriff section) was excellent.
The opening chords to Aja got me choked up and I began to tear. It was so beautiful. Call me a wuss if you want!
Hank, I'll be in touch with you to discuss progress on the recording project we talked about last night, and to raise a new issue that I thought of this morning.
Dave
Posted by: lucky henry, at the steely dan show
Hoops - sorry to miss you! couldn't even locate your profile be-bop-boppin' by the stage.
Parker's Band rocks, alright. Donald's Fender intro to Josie was great, 15-20 seconds - didn't remember seeing him do that before. Carlock's Josie solo superb. Herrington's chops right on - every tune. Someone said Donald's stooping posture and white jacket gave him a mad scientist look - nonetheless entertaining as ever.
Are the lyrics to the Steely Dan show posted anywhere? The words were cut off on the left hand side so all I could see was something like: "Take a little --ipple (?) and head on down, leave that Lonely Street behind Because you're at the Steely Dan show..." Is "schtipple" a word?
George - pleasure to meet you; remember, even if they're bitching about work, it's ALL tangentially Dan,
lh
Posted by: yellow bleeds into blue equals green equals infection, Yellow stripeYellow anon infection alert
Posted by: Harvey Morist, Yeah, that TicketMaster notice was strange since the show was originally scheduled for 8pm ( at leasst it is on my tickets)
Posted by: Q, TPACongrats to all Dan Revelers last night!
Now for some alternate "rattling of cages"(segue from wormy's post), check out a review of EMG on Ruthless Reviews' web site along with their other outrageously hilarious fun.
ruthlessreviews.com/music/s/steelydaneverythingmustgo.html
Actually this is one of the lamest "reviews" on the site - others reach fever pitch.
Wormy - Actually, no "rattling of cages" that I saw from anyone. Certainly no venom intended in/in my post
Regards,
Q
"can anyone get lucky twice?"
Posted by: anon, ?BABYLON TURNPIKE ....
TAKE IT!
Posted by: wormy, new orleans or planet janeQ and good dr wu
DVD-A vs CD
I spoke from my own experiences and if you read my post fully you'd understand. why spend huge bucks on dvd-a with the limited software and when vinyl is so good and inexpensive
on the dvd end- Levinson is good stuff - yes a great DVD-a player will beat a great redbook cd player. I don't have it backwards it's just that usually we are talking a mid priced dvd-a player that has none of the internal sophistication of an upper end cd player - it's ALL in the digital to analog stage and the low cost players don't get that right - sorry.
so when you say "blows it away" I've yet to truly hear that, and I have very discerning ears, but then again I haven't heard a $3k or more dvd-a rig.
the scary thing is that DVD-a is only on it's second generation, it will improve. Cd player were terrible for a decade as were the software before remasters
that being said vinyl done right will show those other two formats the door. I just purchased a Nottingham Spacedeck (a british turntable of high repute) sitting in my music room waiting for the full reinforced in the wall install and a copy of all but TaN in my collection.
didn't mean to rattle cages here just talk from a similiar reference point
tom
Posted by: Big Fan, at home
Reference: TIME CHANGE
Hello, this is Ticketmaster Customer Service with an important alert for
your upcoming event. Steely Dan, scheduled at Saratoga Performing Arts
Center on Friday August 29,2003 has changed times. The event will now take
place at 8:00pm. Original tickets will be honored for the new time, or you
may obtain a refund by mailing your tickets to:
Ticketmaster
Attention Customer Service
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Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, HomeAtLastAUSSIE UPDATE!
For those down under looking for news on your boys, read on...Arrived in NYC late Thursday evening to meet up with Scotty, Fanofdan, LWO, Danfiend and Mr. Sam...After group hugs and things tnagetially Dan we headed out into the dirty city for some grub and grog...A stop at the Stage Deli for a few Brooklyn Lagers and pastrami sandwiches bigger than your head and we were off...Went to a bar called "Faces and Names" and we knew we were in the right place when My Old School was blasting from the jukebox upon entry!...Sam Adams (America's best beer...Marketing, not reality) and shots of Surfers On Acid put a twisted spin on the evening as some of us later got seperated from the crowd (me)...Staggered (staggering?) wake up times the next mid-morn led to a re-gathering for some cob-web clearing cockatails and the ride from hell out to Jones Beach...Hot, humid and hungover is no way to start a Danfest, yet that's what it was...2 in the rental car and 4 more in a hired town car for the 75 minute, traffic-laden ride out to JB...Somehow I got stuck on the hump and by arrival had serious numb-ass...Found our party room, jumped back into the cocktails, forced down some food and headed for the Danfest!...Lady Bayside can sure throw a party!...Zombies in coco shells, Aussie's killer libations (and pleasure passes!) and the company of Pete and Shari, Residual Ed and Lora, HOOPS!, YGK, Sponge Bill, the kind folks (Sandy and ?) who hooked Scotty and Alan up with much better seats and the whole contingent made for one spetacular evening...More is said about what happened next in an earlier post so please read down...Had to leave this crew in NYC unfortunately, but the they are in good hands...The Aussies will be at Mohegan, Nissan, SPAC and Syracuse still to come...Look these larrikins up!...It's a Danny in the making!...SOH
Posted by: John, Dear fellow addicts,
Just in from the Philadelphia/Camden show and a fine time was had by all. Great as always to catch up with you, Hoops! (I wish I had your frequent flyer miles!)
Highlights included a most energized Parker's Band, which kicked off a set of four upbeat numbers at the end of the second set that had the crowd on its feet; Jon Herington's slicing solos on Peg and Kid Charlemagne and Don't Take Me Alive; incredibly tight horn work throughout and of course the rhythm team of Carlock/Barney/Baker, about whom so much has already been written.
I thought the sound was off during the first set. Or at least things sounded dense and murky. I could see musicians performing notes I knew were there, and yet I could not hear them. The second set was much cleaner to my ears (or perhaps my ears had just gotten used to the sound? dunno.)
We are so lucky to still have Don and Walt creating and performing their music. We must not ever take that for granted.
All best,
John
Posted by: The Wreckless Crew, Manhattan, Party CentralHello Danizens Everywhere
From: Fanofdan, Scotty, LWO, Danfiend, South of Hollywood, Mr. Sam
Greetings from the Wellington Hotel in midtown Manhattan! We're just getting ready to head out to see the best jazz has to offer and thought we'd report in to all who weren't fortunate enough to catch last nite's festivities at Jones Beach. If you weren't there, WHAT A SHAME ABOUT YOU!
Thanks to Lady Bayside and YGK and Aussie Torres for all their efforts in organizing a great danfest. A great time was had by all in attendance. Highlights included the pre-danfest music and commraderie of such Dandom stalwarts as the one & only Hoops, Pete Fogel & the loverly Shari, and crazed danfans too numerous to mention.
Lady Bayside's Zombies in the Coco Shell were not to be missed, and Aussie's "Pleasure Passes" are a momento that we'll all cherish.
After a few hours of libations & sensations with those of our kind, we all headed to our seats which were spread all over the venue. At about 8:15pm, the band took the stage and began jamming to the melodious strains of Cubano Chant. Then our heroes took the stage to thunderous applause, and immediately jumped into Aja. Pure ectasy!!!
As if things couldn't get any better, the boys seamlessly segued into TOOM. The crowd was definitely in Seventh Heavan world. From there, the setlist played out much as in the past several shows, with the exception of special appearances by Jay Black and Bill Charlap. Charlap's solo on Godwhacker was egged on by D&W ... a definite crowd pleaser.
Many who were in attendance, including this review panel, ranked this show as perhaps the best SD show EVER! This was certainly true for the 2 Aussies as it was their first show ever! (Once again, WHAT A SHAME ABOUT YOU who failed to show up. Maybe next tour, right?)
Moments of interest:
- Walter finally included the infamous "Slang Me!" line we've all been waiting for.
- As if that wasn't enough, Donald finally said "Ba boom" on TIMTM.
- Donald also said "I'm buggin'!" Everyone split a gut over that.
After the show, the faithful reassembled for a lovefest in the JB parking lot, and engaged in an impromtu jam session. We covered the entire catalog from A to Z. That is, until the local constabulary came enmass and hustled us out of the joint. From there, the party shifted to the Marriott in L.I. where we revelled in the afterglow of what was surely the best show of the tour so far.
Our dime is about to expire, so alas it's time to go. Here's the Big Adios folks. See you soon! Jones Beach has defin'ly been set on fire!
It was a damn good thing!
Posted by: DACW, Q: Yeah, good 'ol DAC!! The pirating concerns and industry bickering killed that one. Those issues and recent RIAA hysteria will lead to DVD-A being the standard I believe in the near future...bye-bye CD!...although of course DVD-A players can play CDs and rather well - I can detect a very slight improvement over my current CD player (my Yamaha bit the big one last year). SACD may or may not sound better - but is not traceable like DVD-A nor does it play videos...which are one of the highlights of Kamakiriad...I'm a little miffed that the "B" single sides and/or Century's End weren't thrown in the Kamakiriad DVD-A as part of an Extras or Bonus section
Posted by: DACW , Mark: I believe it is sloppy labeling. This is not uncommon according to one DVD-A board. EMG and TvN are 24 bit 192 kHz/channel in stereo; 24 bit 96 kHz/channel for 5.1 format according to highfidelityreview.com and other sources including the ODP...I also recall Eliot Scheiner talking about this is an article awhile back...
Kamakiriad and The Nightfly were originally recorded in DDD format for CDs and were remastered at 24 bit 96 kHz by Scheiner (mislabelled on Nightfly) although the original digital masters were at 44.1 kHz by Nichols...
Ironically, a good analog master from the pre-CD days or from an AAD CD might theoretically be easier to transfer to 192 kHz...Having said that the 24 bit sampling vs. 16 bit is more important...
"oversampling" on some higher end CD players (featured on my Yamaha) is really cheating - guessing and filling in the gaps...it helps a bit (works really well for probe satellites of the surface of Mars for example), but can't "make up" harmonics that were lost in the process of making a CD. Classic case is The Nightfly CD vs. vinyl...
Both IEEE (big electrical engineering society that publishes journals and sets standards) and record companies are pushing the DVD-A format. The discs are "watermarked" and
Posted by: Q, Wormy - I live on Augiogon!
Probably the best undiscovered gem of a place for music lovers on the web.
Worm, I hate to say it,but I think you have it backward. A mid-fi system will only begin to render the differences.
My Levinson,etc. system discerns/renders the diffs just fine. To my ear it's in the resonant and spacial characteristics (or lack there of in the MCA and Giant pressings).
Yes, these are formats that may go the way of the dinosaur, but then they said/say that about vinyl.
I already have the vinyl EMG, and imho, it is superior(yes, except for groove noise...).
But then just about all vinyl is superior to my ear...I admit, my ear is biased.
To DACW - my list goes:
(got to get a little snobish here, but when you talking HiFi...)
Nightfly
-------
I) MFSL Nightfly Digital Audio Cassette (only 2 copies were ever made by MoFi and finding a player is even more impossible!, so, this one isn't fair, but...)
II)MFSL 1/2 speed vinyl
III)Japan Pioneer vinyl -high end needs little tweaking
IV) Leiber & Stoller Publisher's disc with "Ruby Baby" only (but this might be the best "Ruby" rendition of all!)- good luck finding, but well worth it as there are umpteen other great and well mastered famous tunes on it.
V)MFSL analog cassette on azimuth adjustable deck
__________________________________________________
2VN
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I)DVDA - ONLY!
II)"Bootleg" euro vinyl version
III) Any disc you can get your hands on...
___________________________________________________
Kama
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DVDA - ONLY!
Dutch vinyl - close second!
Any disc you can get your hands on...
___________________________________________________
EMG -
German vinyl - PLAY AT HIGH VOLUME ONLY!
DVDA - close second if not equal depending on your taste
Any disc you can get your hands on...
____________________________________________________
"Old Catalog"
would take too much space...but, ...any disc you can get your hands on...
Q...
Posted by: bluprintblu, caliMan, I am just so jealous of all the wingdings and east coast goingson...However I am happy to read of good things to come for me at universal on oct. 1st...Hoops! I wish you were organizing in cali too! Can't wait, and as an aside cuz I'm a vinyl nut, I bought EMG on vinyl and it is quite the kind! luv 2 all
Posted by: thefez98, Holding off?/BostonHey fellow Danites,
Danielle and I are really looking forward to the Mohegan Sun show Monday night, despite the fact we're moving 2 days later and scrambling to get shit done at the current home base and coordinate everything (it's amazing what approaching your buddies with a 30-pack of Bud does for their cooperation, with the N.E. Pats season right around the corner).
Just one thought, do you think D&W are holding off to the second leg of the tour to launch 'Lunch with Gina', 'Pixeleen' and 'EMG' (and possibly other old favorites)? It's interesting despite this being a North America-only tour their are two distictive legs and these tunes are glaringly absent (IMHO).
Jim
Posted by: Sandy Musson, Yellow VW New BeetleMANY, MANY THANKS and complements to the new Queen: Lady Bayside! Long may she reign and may the rain stay mainly on the plain in Spain NOT in Jones Beach!
Although I've seen the Dan on all their tours since Kamakiriad, this was the first Danfest I've ever attended. It's not that I'm shy, as Alan & Scott of Australia will attest, it's just that I'm in a "Things I miss the most" life experience right now...ghost on my living room couch. But last night was anything BUT sad cuisine, and the impromptu a-cappella quartet after de concert was just DE best! What I lack in musical talent, I make up for in enthusiasm! And it was a REAL pleasure to meet so many others with that same Danfan blood running through their veins.
Now I'm seriously going to track down that friend of the Leonharts and see if I can score some time in Atlantic City next weekend. Got the jones for another Jones Beach concert...hope it doesn't take another 2 years to score...
See you...up in the sky, it's that cruel Countermoon.
Posted by: angel, Charlap pictures from Jones Beach, up on the Official Dan Page.
Posted by: steelydoubt, today i was messing around with putting pictures in sound (long confusing story), anyway i decided to rip a few sd songs and look at then in a spectral view. well i ripped doctor wu 'cause i knew it sounded funny and wondered why. (sigh) the first half of that song has some wierd sound in the right channel. i dont have golden ears or anything but it really stands out. and as a matter of fact they decided to put a little space before the start of the song, but forgot to get rid of the noise on the tape or whatever (it would be easy to do because at the begining there is about a second of that noise. it sounds like something is warming up.
and btw. this is a rip of the '99 mca remaster
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.On Charlap - - Peter - - thank you I knew I could count on you. Cudos to Rhodsie for whacking my blood Shaun for us all. Tighten up my brother and jump back.
Posted by: rocky rhodes, Shaun:
That keyboard solo on Godwhackers is DF on synth
Posted by: Shaun, BostonRajah- Charlap was buried on EMG??? His freaking solo playing the Rhodes on Godwhacker was out front, loud crisp and clear. What are you talking about????
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynRaj - half flowing arpeggios, half honky tonk barroom dance piano, serious left hand percussive playing. The crowd's bedazzlement was a palpable feeling in the air, you could touch it. Walter encouraged everyone to go see Charlap's trio over the next couple weeks in NYC.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Hey Jones Beachers - could someone with a working knowledge of the 88s give us a more insightful review of Charlap's performance on Godwhacker? Big rhythmn or wha cause he's pretty much buried on the EMG we got. Hep me now.
Posted by: hoops, One more thing...One more thing:
Anyone see reviews of JB in today's paper? NY Times late edition did not.
Posted by: hoops, nycReally quick:
Missed Boston Rag but what a fucking amazing Danfest and show at Jones Beach last night. Thanks to Lady "You Are The Queen" Bayside as well as Jeff, Bill, Ed, LWO, WOH, and the list goes on and on and on. Thanks everyone for the rides to and fro Manahattan!
LB--how do you do it?
The sound was incredible! Charlap was unbelievable on "Godwhacker!" Every time Carlock does his drum solo, it's the best I have ever heard. Keeps getting better and better. Chief of Theory, that was Jim, host of the 2000 JB Danfest with the Dean and Deluca shirt. Aussie was as always the gentleman giving the girls all bouquets of roses. Jay Black was a suprise: when I saw him hanging around at the Donald side of the stage for much of the first set, I thought it was Roger Nichols. The band was hot. And for me, "Haitian Divorice" is the highlight of the show.
Off to Camden in a few. See you there...sounds like Lucky Henry is doing something at the last minute after all.
Toodles.
h
Posted by: luck henry, the new tunes sound great live. Would like to hear them all. A tip o' the flat hat to David Morgan.
Humidity is OUTTAHERE. What a great day for a hooterie,
lh
Posted by: Boston Rag, sample rateDACW - My copy of EMG DVD-A has a sample rate of 96khz. On the ODP product guide they say that EMG is released at 192khz. Do you have 192khz on your copy or is it a mistake on the Steely Dan website?
Mark in Boston
Posted by: DACW, Wormy: I'm sorry - I must respectfully agree with Q...I am cursed with lead fingers and golden ears...my comparisons are between STEREO DVD-A and CDs only...5.1 is cool - but I don't play with bands on stage plus the tradeoff is loss of sampling rate anyway...
...The problem with CDs is that digital audio at that time (like the 80s y'know) they were designed as a noise reduction system with some increase in dynamic range. However, the problem was that there's barely enought data on a CD for it to provide the full music over the dynamic range (20-20,000 Hz). You know the old engineering addage - twice what you need as a minimum - CDs BARELY provided that and most engineers weren't adept at mastering them into digital and often the original master tapes weren't used or lost. Moreover, CDs think harmonics and echo are noise and often eliminate them creating a less warm, flatter sound especially in the high end. I have a Yamaha receiver and CD player from their best years and it stacks up well against high enders and very good Boston Acoustic speakers that I've recently refurbished...
Frankly my vinyl version of the first 7 SD albums sounded better than the CDs until the 1999 re- re- re-master
In short DVD-A provides the warmth of vinyl while blowing away the dynamic range, S/N ratio, etc.
Specification DVD-Audio vs. CD
DVD-A: Disk Capacity 4.7Gb - Single layer 8.5Gb - Dual Layer
17Gb – Double Sided Dual Layer
CD: 650Mb
Channels:
DVD-A: Up to 6
2 (stereo)
CD: 2
Frequency Response
DVD-A: 0 - 96kHz (max)
CD: 5 - 20kHz
This is a critically important and forgotten aspect - frequencies out of our hearing range that you can "feel in your bones" is important for full music pleasure
Dynamic Range
DVD-A: 144db
CD: 96db
Sampling Rate - 2 channel
DVD-A: 192KHz
CD: 44.1kHz
Sampling Rate –
Multichannel (5.1)
44.1, 88.2KHz or
48, 96KHz
none
Sample Size
DVD-A: 24 bits
CD: 16 bits
24 bits mean 2 to the 24th power vs. 2 to the 16th power or 8,388,608 vs. 65,536
Maximum Data Rate
DVD-A: 9.6 Mbps.
CD: 1.4Mbps
Enough Tech Talk - let's stack 'em up:
The Nightfly: I can tell you my vinyl copy of The Nightfly before I wore it out was simply the best vinyl version of any album I've ever heard and is better than the CD which sounds significantly flatter...
The DVD-A version of The Nightfly simply just blow the door off the CD version!!! It's not even close!! I'm hearing things I haven't heard since before I wore out the vinyl version and MORE. Rainey's bass say on Green Flower Street is captivating - lush and warm...an occasional Wendel II stiffness - but all and all as good as it gets...
Two Against Nature: The CD version is a little harsh on the high end. I can understand why some think the drums are looped (they're not).
The DVD-A version is warmer - think about how Gaslighting Abbie sounds on Plush...A HUGE improvement - almost as much as The Nightfly...THOSE WHO DID NOT DIG TvN FULLY MUST GET the DVD-A VERSION!!!!!! Now you can fully appreciate the multilayered interplay!
Kamakiriad: This CD sounded really 2-dimensional up to Snowbound...For some odd reason Scheiner mixed the DVD-A in 5.1 as usual and a 92kHz version for stereo instead a 192 KHz stereo version. Anyway, a VAST improvement on Trans-Island Skyway and Springtime (featuring real drummers). Countermoon is remixed and a little weird - pretty sure this is a drum machine - couldn't do much with it...more 3-dimensional, but a little bright
YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE FLORIDA ROOM ON DVD-A!!!!!! ...and the subtleties of On The Dunes just washes over the listener!
Everything Must Go: EMG is simply the best sounding CD I've ever heard in my life!! The DVD-A sounds a little better (probably because there was less room for improvement), but not much. It's mixed a little brighter and slightly differently...
Posted by: wormy, new orleans-
Q - the Dan and Fagen solo releases blow away the cd versions???
not so fast
maybe if you have a mid fi cd setup then yes they can be more revealing, but I have both cd and dvd-a and the redbook (that's standard cd) more than gives dvd-a a run for the money on high end audio gear. Now if I had a much more expensive DVD-a or SACD front end maybe it would in theory exceed my upsampling redbook version but who is going to waste that kind of change on a format that may go the way of the wolves.
But hey, for those not making the big jumps up on the audio end, you can get an inexpensive DVD-a dvd combo, enjoy movies and enjoy much better sound for your dollar on the dvd-a's (which are not that overpriced), so yes an enthusiastic thumbs up but it doesn't blow cd away for those who have invested heavily in their digital front ends
do some searches on audiogon.com in the forums
I'll let you know how much better the vinyl (yes vinyl lp) version of EMG is when I receive mine in the mail later this week
audiosnobtom
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYTo the dude I was playing chess with at the Jones Beach Danfest: 24. Qa7 wins for white.
Re the show: best t shirt award goes to whomever was wearing the logo from Dean & Deluca cafeterias.
Set list - same as it's been.
Lady Bayside - great catering! Dig those cocoa shells ! Thanks!
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Darren baby - thrilling review, absolutely no detail but somehow you got your point across. Yes my brother, thank you.
Posted by: Darren, New YorkThe show was amazing last night. Aja opener was unbelievable.
Thank goodness the weather held out. Band was real tight and the mix was pretty good except for Donald's mic.
As usual, the Dan of Steel comes through with another trademark performance. Same set as prev mentioned.
Now will have to wait for the next NY performances.
By the way, the "new kid on the block", the drummer was also right on the money.
Posted by: MUGU, LOMMUGU MUGU DEYOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Me bustin chops over AJA & AIA. Me like. Mucho.
Posted by: NYB,
How about that Jay Black appearance at Jones Beach?
That was pretty unexpected no?
Posted by: My Old Man, back in OregonThanks, Angel etc. for info on Steely Dan Show genesis. They did not do it when I saw them at Merriweather Post in Y2K tour.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynBeach tidbits - Charlap sat in on Godwhacker and stole the thunder with a ripass piano solo. Becker said "We can't have the cheap band in New York like we can in California." Jay Black came out and took a bow at W's behest.
In this particular configuration Jim Pugh is by far the strongest soloist, he blows everyone else off. He also has the most commanding stage presence, if that term applies here at all. IMHO he is "first among equals" in this band.
Posted by: les, new yorkback from the beach
same show
great sound
gruyere cheese
otis redding
not bad
Posted by: Boston Rag, Wishing I was at JBGot a phone call from Sponge Bill, Little Wild One and Scotty the Aussie about an hour ago. They were having a great time at the Danfest in the parking lot of Jones Beach. I hope the weather holds out for everybody at the show! Im soooooo jealous. Wish I was down there. Keep rockin'!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: bratfille, Ottawafife - I tried to send you an email but it was sent back to me. If you want to talk about Toronto plans or get together at "Timmy's" for a coffee this weekend then send me an message.
~Brat~
Posted by: Joey ,
What ?!?!?!?! Oh , alright , HERE ya go :
http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7143685
Talk about a place for a " DanFest " , huh ??? Nobody would
ever remember the gig . I heard it did brisk business though before the
Stones played Roseland last September .
J.
Posted by: Joey, " Maybe Roseland will be different. "
I wouldn't hold my Breath .
I also wouldn't spend too much time at the " Russian Vodka Room " ( Right across the street from Roseland ) before the concert .
Joeyfly !
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CTI am psyched for Leg II. If I know them, there will be a few surprises.Don't worry about these guys "pushing it too far." Remember, slow and steady wins the race, and at the pace these two move at, they should be o.k for quite awhile! Dear Gretchen: I have a friend in California who thinks the same of Donald that you do. I personally will admit that he has alot of charisma while he's playing, but I wouldn't call it sexy. To each his (or her) own, I guess though, right? If I were stranded on a desert island with the two of them (now THERE'S a scary thought!), I must admit I'd have to choose W.B...
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWell it's off to Jones Beach for tonight's show. I hope it's not the same exact set as last Sunday at the PNC but looks like it's going to be. Maybe Roseland will be different.
Posted by: Q, Down in Tampa...RE: question about opinions on the Dan's DVDA releases; the opinion seems to be universal that not only do they blow away the standard releases(unless you're an analog junkie-with all due respect...), but many high end HiFi stores are using the 2VN, Kama, and Nightfly DVDAs as benchmark discs to showcase their best equipment - that's an awfully strong endorsement itself.
I can't wait to hear the SACD Gaucho after a disappointing DTS 5.1 release of same.
Count me and the Mrs. in on both Roselands - see you there.
Hope we can all Lunch With Gina at the Rose Ballroom...
Best to all,
Q
Posted by: Joey , " Actually, I think the question was "Where was Joey at Denver?"
You make Joey say , Huh ??????
" From TicketMaster :
Sept 12: New York, NY : Roseland | [Tix] on sale now
Sept 13: New York, NY : Roseland | [Tix] on sale now
Sept 14: Toronto, Ontario, Canada : Molson | Rescheduled from Aug:
Sept 16: Tampa, FL : St. Pete Times Forum | [Tix] on sale now
Sept 17: West Palm Beach, FL : Sound Advice Music Amphitheatre "
WTF ?!?!?!?!
That is five shows in seven days . I think D+W are " pushing " it too far this time . Good luck to those who have tix to West Palm Beach ---- 10/1 Don's voice is shot by then ..........................
Developing ..................
J.
Posted by: +/-, Yeah, that is a funny line from Walter...as mentioned before, that link is also a transcript to a promo CD frmo Reprise called "One Hour Sale!" It's the equivalent of the old "Words + Music" CD that came out for Kama, 11TOW, AIA, and 2VN.
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KYRe: Steely Dan Show
Actually, the song is pretty much the same this year as in 2000 - lyrics and all.
http://www.steelydan.com/lyrmisc.html#track3
Since they list this on their offical lyrics page, I always thought this would make a nice website-only download from SteelyDan.com. Maybe after the tour they'll put up an mp3 of it for their fans.
Who knows,
El Sup
Posted by: RCray, NYCFor the greater glory of the fandom, dandom et al.
Check out this hilarious interview with Don and Walt.
Walt said that in the 70's someone asked him if the chorus of bodhisatva was "spark of your vagina"
http://www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/steelydan.php
Posted by: Gus, be there nowRazor-Boy...It's not strange at all. Those seats you saw empty are the seats that are saved for the bands guests. If the band doesn't have any guests, the seats stay empty. They were never for sale in the first place. That simple.
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Hoops; the fez-man wasn't too far off on that greatwoods count.
I mentioned in a previous post that the crowd for that show was estimated at about 12,500. That number came right out of monday's Boston Globe. I know that the place used to claim a capacity of 15,000, but I don't know if that is is now more or less, since they added those stupid seats on the lawn.
Anyway, on a personal observation, we were up front in section 1 (right side of stage)and we all noticed a row of seats in section 2 (center stage),about 3 or 4 rows back, that was almost completely empty for the whole show, wierd!
Good luck with the upcomming classes.
Dave
Posted by: Shaun, stoked in Bostn!I'm soooo stoked for the Roseland shows!! Don and Walt's home town. The after party at Le Bar Bat! It's going to be a summer smoker under ground! What a wing ding!!!
Posted by: lp, @air conditioningi agree with hoops on the great woods thing, too, sorry
i was halfway up in the pavilion in section 6 and we actually were remarking how packed the pavilion was! i think people might have wedged in under shelter when the rain came
still reelin from manchester - have fun in the city all!
Posted by: Richard, UKThanks Gretchen - looking forwad to it particularlt how Carlock does
Cheers
richard
Posted by: angel, Channeling Big Fan. Article of ticket sales in the Hawaii shows.
http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/08/11/daily79.html
Lisa G: Does Daddy know about this? ;-)
Posted by: hoops, nycCan't wait for later on with Karen's great Danfest, Ruf's Flotilla, and seeing LWO, YGK, Ed, Bill, and everyone else. It's pretty warm and kinda muggy but hope it will be great by the Beach. And if it get's chilly, well, then tonight could be the night to pick up that SD 2003 sweatshirt.
Fez98:
I disagree about the counts on Great Woods. To be sure there have more than a few empty seats at some of the larger venues, but what kept running through my mind at Great Woods/Tweeter-Mansfield was how, unlike other shows, the place was packed. I didn't see any empty pavillion seats.
Regarding the no bottle caps rule, it's not that people will throw them. I've seen more than a few people slip and fall on them. A few years ago, a family member slipped and fell down the stairs on a plastic cap and was injured.
With classes getting into full swing, I can't go to shows again until Roseland and then only on weekends. Looking forward to making the most of it.
Can't wait until tonight.
hoops
Posted by: Gretchen, I'm in for Roseland, too!
Posted by: YGK, NYCAngel: I'm down for Roseland Friday with the incomparable Lisa G!
ygk
Posted by: YGK, NYCNOW: WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
It's party time folks - here we go.....the Steely Dan Show at Jones Beach. I've been informed by our Roving Reportre that the Pleasure Passes have made a successful run, and will be a notable souvenir for all who attend the Bayside Bacchanal in the Parking Lot.
So I'll be the cowboy with the sandals and that funky attitude.....hope to see many of you I haven't met yet.......
ygk
Posted by: angel, My Old Man: They wrote The Steely Dan show 3 years ago, during the European leg of the 2VN tour. Added lyrics to it, this time around.
By the way, Blues Beach Live was outstanding. We saw it performed at Paso Robles and you should have seen the girls doing "chillin". :-)
Bratfile: GOTRAINS! Yes, you got a chuckle out of my family last night, when I read the lyric to them. After the Northridge EQ in 94, we had an increase in rail service and they rented some Govermnent of Ontario trains. They still colored green?
"Edmund Fitzgerald!" Is this Andrea Doria, phase 2..... ;-)
Oh God, get the kids in the house, Rajah is back in LA. ACKKKK!!!
Unless the boss nixes it, I am in for Friday at Roseland.
Posted by: Laina, O Leaozinho - Caetano VelosoLOL I've misheard that too...All my friends and I, in HS, thought the song said "....the sparkle of your 'gina"
*blank stare* O__O
Lainalove
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Shaun:
Mis-heard lyrics?
How about...
"The shine of your Japan, the sparkle of your vagina"
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Posted by: My Old Man, back in OregonWas at the Hershey show, and the crowd was very good...singing along through the entire show.
A few comments and some questions:
1) Parker's Band sung by the girls was actually more fun than when they did Dirty Work on the last tour.
2) Carlock is a Golden God (whacker)..and his solo out of the drum break in Josie was as good as it gets.
3) Yeah, I'm a bit tired of the same tunes live..Peg, FM and 19 in particular. Would have just loved to hear Pixeleen, Barrytown, Everyone's Gone to The Movies. Only 2 songs were from records before Scam. It seemed like they tailored the show for this band, but still they would have rocked Pixeleen. I will say that the pocket on Josie was beyond funky to hyperfunk!
4) Thank the Lord they didn't bore us with Blues Beach!
5) Aja was about as beautiful as live music gets.
6) Gorgeous light show.
Questions:
Does anyone know what that video clip was they showed during Haitian Divorce? Lupe Velez, maybe?
What was the deal with the Steely Dan Show. Did they just write that for this tour. It cracked me up.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Meali-baby -- nails head on punto, as always. Sick fruities no messo Barna as YET??!!, artistic differences, meow ovah-deh. Anso Rajini ritorno sta sera e refletto de parole crudele contro Signor Fagen, e rigretto molto. Ron Fagen e Super-Maestro de tuttt le mons. No blowin smoko. Goodbye, ol contri, contri of the faniculee-fanic-u-self, arrivederci mama, e immediatamente put on bootleg "Early SFB" e lo n behold -- EXTRA TRACHINI SEGRETO -- di RF cantanto con lo Walli Beeker, Carlo Carlocchi, e Justino Leon'Cuore; e la cansona, Hesitation Blues. Chiwawawaw...che magna opera. Home at last.
On the flights home I listened to Katy Lied, Alive in America, Two Aginst Nature and Everything Must Go. EMG is a lighthearted album not to be compared in approach with Katy Lied - letting your yah-yahs out, or 2vN, a much more mature and layered work. EMG is stripped-down black and white looney-tunes Dan in a worried world, and as such another distinctive chapter of their career. Green Book, Pixeleen and Lunch with Gina, however, are forever no matter what the era. No comapara.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonMis-heard lyrics?
How about...
"The shine of your Japan, the sparkle of your vagina"
ROSELAND! Three weeks and counting!!!
Posted by: DJ, Mis-heard lyricsThey got the booze they need...
heard as....
They got the booze and needles...
Posted by: Zim, hill of NW ConnecticutHey BostonRag! Just read you have a link to pics of the Mansfield show. Is it possible for me to see them too? We were there and it was just an outstanding night.
Now we're looking forward to the Oakdale show in CT. Sure hope you Toronto folks post a set list quick, since that's only show before the Oakdale, will be interesting to compare songs.
DuWuF-So right! What do people expect them to do, play every song they ever did? Some folks just gotta be complaining about something I guess. See you at the Oakdale!!
Zim
Posted by: Bratfile, OttawaWhile ya'll are requesting messed up lyrics with regional significance, how about they play 'Tomorrow's Girls' in Toronto.... Then Don can sing:
In the cool of the evening
In the last light of the triple sun
I wait by the GO-TRAIN
When the day's busy work is done
(I always pretended those were the words anyways.)LOL
Poor musicians! They can't please everyone it seems.
~Brat~
Posted by: thefez98, BostonAlot of my friends picked up last-minute tix to the Sat. night show at Great Woods in Mansfield, MA for $10 bucks a pop. They caught a great show and it was easy to come up closer as the place was only about 60-70% full (rough guess).
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, Stargate and the Outer WorldsEric, I too am going to the Atlanta show Sept. 19. I must say, I don't care if Donald forgets a few words, or the setlist isn't to my liking (that would be impossible!!). I'm just happy to finally see my heros in person. Espically Donald!!!
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njhey all,
here's an interesting link from eBay & clearchannel- called getAccess, it sells pairs of lawn seats to CC venues for twenty bucks!
here's the steely dan link:
http://search.stores.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&sid=81777143&store=get-Access&colorid=5&fp=0&query=Steely%20Dan&srchdesc=y
mikem
-->>lbi, nj
9 til borgata.........
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliBarna practicia "Zellie moves" con la mike stand, swing left shoulder right shoulder dip swing dip dip. Cringemaker Lopez tell her mueve la *colacha* mas...creo que he dont know she mi weif! Don Carlos say esta musica no es sobre sexo! Soldados choke mi popps con RON FAGEN TAPE "Do you have a steady boyfriend? Cuz honey I'm watchin you!" Quien es BRUBOCK??? Poppi say to mi cuando, how you say it, he no breathe in the lung porque booty tape stuck in he windpip, y policia shootin bow and arra at todos los Sick Fruities! Mi moms so sad cuando poppi choke, she canta STEELI DON SONG "Done With Buzz" with bullhorn in the harbor. Ship. How you say, maritime implications?
In mi countri we have Alpo, we have Steven Seagal, we have Lucy Lui, we have Popeil Pocket Fisherman, we dance la ricki ticki ricki ticki, ricki tick tick, we have Gordon Lightfoo:
The church bel chime
It chime 29 times
For each man in the Edmund Fitzgerald!
Lightfoo competio con RONALD FAGEN por la mejor cantador en el mundo de rock n roll! Pues, Fagen cancion es "Green Earrin" y Lightfool, "Sundown." Los justicios dice es un "tie" and the peepil go bonky wonky, quieren FAGEN! NUMERO UNO BABY!
Meanwhile Barna be workin on that little hip action movement when Don Carlos sing "RRRRRoll your cart back up the aisle!"
Posted by: les, new yorkoh, and how bout if they have some fun, and sing...
"jones, beach, i'm dying
sizzling in the merciful rays.."
this way, don can make a mistake, and its all good
Posted by: garden wall climber, JoeHouse, I think the unknown on your list in set 2 is Janie Runaway. It was right before Hey 19.
Posted by: les, new yorkwouldn't it be nice if we could have a concert WITHOUT peg,josie, kid charlemagne, babylon, and hey nineteen?
they all sound great of course, but i am sick of the same tunes every tour, with just one or two surprises..
how bout ALL surprises, like shame about me, pixeleen, and my gold teeth, just to name a few..
and how bout new lines from donald, our mc..tired of the "lets dig back into the 70s'" line, and tired of the ritz cracker line during hey ninteen...
they are the best to be sure, but i must confess, i am shocked at their song selection, and dissapointed that don can't come up with some better band leadership and mc verbalisms...
Posted by: scott, minnesotaHoops - thanks for the DVD-A update from Universal. I hope that my recent DVD-A system purchase was the right one (I was afraid that the SACD release of Gaucho would be the only "high end" CD available, and I guess that could still be the case.)
Does Universal own the rights to their pre-Gaucho releases as well? If not, who? (I can never seem to keep the SD recording company saga straight.)
As DVD-A releases go I would be also be curious to know how well Steely Dan sales compare to others. Any thoughts anyone?
scott
Posted by: Rindy, NYCjoehouse,
judging by previous setlists, your unknowns would be 'slang of ages' and 'steely dan show'
-rindy
Posted by: , Actually, I think the question was "Where was Joey at Denver?"
Posted by: Joey , " I think Don's hot and dark, and that's the way I like it. "
Where were you in Denver ????????
Come to Joey ................
Posted by: Gretchen, I think Don's hot and dark, and that's the way I like it.
Posted by: JoeHouse, Hershey Star Pavilion 20 August 2003:
Set 1
1. AJA
2. Time Out of Mind
3. Godwhacker
4. Caves of Altamira
5. Black Cow
6. Babylon Sisters
7. *unknown*
8. Peg
9. Home at Last
Set 2
1. *unknown*
2. Hey 19
3. Haitian Divorce
4. The Things I miss the most
5. Parkers Band
6. Josie
7. Kid Charlegmagne
8. Don't take me alive
ENCORE
1. My Old School
2. FM
What a show. As Donald himself said after his first few tunes: "Its hot and its dark, and thats the way we like it." The opener was not a surprise, but the upbeat feel to AJA live was perfect. My "gotta hear it song" was Black Cow and they nailed it. The trombone by Jim Pugh was perfect. The smooth rise and fall of the horn melted the crowd. The first set was hit after hit. All great classic stuff. Fagan was a master as he interacted with the crowd: "Now we're gonna reach back into the deep 70's..." and the crowd would roar in anticipation. Perfect teasing foreplay for what was sure to be unbridaled passion.
Set two started out with the band (minus WB and DF) singing a song that I had not heard called "At the Steely Dan Show" verses satirically urging us to buy a program and/or a hat: "Promo stuff". That led into the band playing a new to me tune and kicking straight into Hey 19. Becker singing Haitian Divorce was classic. Keith Carlisle hit a goosebumbing drum solo during Josie that brought the crowd to their feet and kept them there.
Finally the crowd would not let them get away without an encore. They kept us hanging just long enough (true pros), then hit My Old School and FM hard.
Having declared Steely Dan as my favorite band in March of 2003, a position that remained vacant since my early years with Peter, Paul, and Mary; I was assured that my adoration was well placed. My budding fan of a girlfriend (who bought the tickets for me: Thanks so much!) offered the best review. "I wished I had a CD so that I could listen to them so more." Well, don't worry about that honey: I have plenty you can borrow.
Posted by: GEPAM, PennsylvaniaHersheypark Happy!!! Great concert last nite, 8/20. setlist was standard fare for this tour. Expected to enjoy 1st set more than 2nd because it contained more of my favorite tunes. Wrong. Starting with "Home At Last", (last song of 1st set) the gang found it's groove. "Hey 19", that little pop song, was way more enjoyable than expected. "Haitian Divorce" was right on with the music, but would have liked to hear Donald's voice. TIMTM was absolutley incredible. Herrington allowed to show his stuff with the last few songs before the Encore. A small distraction however, was the Bobbsie Twins seated directly in front of us, who talked thru several entire songs! Signifigant other says next time we need seats front & center where the Real Dan Fans are seated. All in all, a terrific show and would go again in a heartbeat.
Posted by: D,
Posted by: woodman, OttawaHere's a thought: Do you think the set list will change for the 2nd leg? I am one of those unfortunate who got caught in the chasm of the Black Cow last week in Toronto, but will be going to the re-re-scheduled show.
Posted by: Craig A Cardinal, philadelphia areai was wondering if there are any set lists available so i can compare them to the show i'm going to see on saturday
Posted by: Eric, After reading comments here...I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE ATLANTA SHOW!! Man, if they'd only do Bad Sneakers.
Posted by: Milton, No posts from Hershey yet? Well, let me be the first to say that this was the best sound I have ever heard at any show... EVER! It was so crisp and clear it was eery. THIS is what it's supposed to sound like! What a great fucking band! What a night!!!!!
Posted by: Gretchen, working, in deep distressRichard-
I will give you a full report of next Monday's show at Mohegan! Can't wait......
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UkI am here in rainy UK so jealous of our US friends soaking up the SD sunshine. Oh how I wish I could see and hear this SD with Carlock and co doing their thing. Can't make it over because of work - love hearing about it tho'
Cheers
Richard
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleOops! I mean "Jones" Beach; it would be very cool for you guys!
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleMike:
They did "Blues Beach" at the Portland show; hopefully they'll add it.
Love the nod to Laura Nyro.
Hey everyone!
Still considering Las Vegas, me Mum lives there so it'd be a cheap trip (although I'd love to stay at Mandelay Bay - what a gorgeous hotel). Who else is going?? Hoops?
Posted by: Jason, at a deskI think the issue with the caps is not the cap or the empty bottle itself. The issue is that a bottle filled liquid (esp. something other than water) that can be sealed and then hurled from a distance can do some damage if it strikes something or someone.
For those effected by the circumstances at the Toronto show it was worth noting that at the end of FM in New Hampshire Donald said along with his usual farewells, "It's real nice you have electricity here too. That helps".
Posted by: Mike, Jones Beach
It's rainin'
I'm chillin' at the Manatee Bar
Well it's a stone soul picnic
For the early resigned
I hope we hear this song tomorrow. :-)
Posted by: Rindy, Sweltering NYC; wish I was at Blues BeachThe no-cap drink policy is taking hold at arenas & stadiums all over
They claim it's so you won't throw the cap on the field or at the stage & potentially injure someone
I think it's more like they want you to spill your drink or have your beer get warmer faster so you will buy more at their usurious prices
-Rindy
Posted by: lp, @workmib - they were really uptight in the front row - as if we would crash the stage - didn't know about the no cap thing, that is funny
but at the same time, at intermission i had to carefully avoid a fight that was beginning in the beer line - they should get more uptight about that stuff!
the sound isn't great there, you are right - but it didn't seem to matter too much
if i was queen for a day, i'd make them play berklee, to get that really good sound quality performance - symphony hall wouldn't be bad either
thanks for the email - like i said, i think you walked right past us in manchester - that's cool
Posted by: Grippa48, NJGretchen,
SACD stands for Super Audio CD you need a special CD player to get the full sound quality of the sound.
There are 2 formats.....be carefull. There is DVD Audio and SACD both are not compatible with each other.
Gary
Posted by: Eric, I'm going to the Sept. 19 show in Atlanta. Must admit that I'm sort of disappointed they aren't playing more songs from EMG.
Anyone know how long the show is runnning? They don't seem to be playing too many songs. Springsteen plays three-hour shows regularly, and the Dan has as much and more material to pull from.
Posted by: Gretchen, The foot of Mt. BelzoniHoops, or anyone
I am confused as to the DVD audio format. Are there visuals for the length of the music? Can they be played on any DVD player? And what is the SACD? I've looked on Amazon and a few others, but can't seem to find DVD Audio. I'm techno-challenged, so any info would help. If EMG is available in DVD format, are they selling them at the shows? Thanks.
Posted by: Bill/Pittsburgh, I'm a bookkeeper's son ...On my way to the dentist yesterday I ran into a roadblock and had to turn back. When I arrived, my dentist said that he had heard there were SWAT teams out in the area. Here's what the disturbance was:
http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_north/20030821pinepolicenorth3p3.asp
Cue "Don't Take Me Alive"
Posted by: Boston Rag, lp - check your e-mail, I sent you an invite to a link for some pix from the Mansfield and Manchester shows. Sorry I missed you twice.
I would like the Verizon Center for hockey but for concerts it needs some acoustic work. And the event staff rivals the Soup Nazi. My daughter had a roll of Sweet-tarts (remember them?) confiscated and they told her to throw them in the trash on the way in. And how about the stupid policy of not being allowed to have a cap on the bottled water you buy at the concessions. I asked for the cap they remove and they said 'no caps' was their policy. What's up with that?
Mark in Boston
Posted by: hoops, More confirmation that Universal is coming over to the DVD-A camp; Maybe we will see DVD-A of "Gaucho." SACD / CD-A hybrid of "Gaucho" is slated for this Tuesday in the USA last I read in a few places, although not sd.com.
From Billboard: Universal Preps First DVD-Audio Releases
Universal Music Group (UMG) will unveil its first titles in the DVD-Audio format Sept. 23, with a diverse helping of 24 albums. The label group will become the fourth major label group to utilize the format, after Warner Music Group, EMI and Bertelsmann Music Group.
Among the UMG albums to debut in the format are Aaron Neville's "Nature Boy: The Standards Album," Beck's "Sea Change," David Sanborn's "timeagain," Peter Frampton's "Frampton Comes Alive!," Elton John's "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road," George Strait's "Honkytonkville," Marvin Gaye's "Collection," Shania Twain's "Up!," Sting's "Brand New Day" and the Who's "Tommy."
The rest is at http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1948166
Posted by: lp, @workhey mark in boston - you were in manchester too?
sorry i missed seeing you once again
still reelin from that show and i had forgotten the ladies were singing sock it to me - that really was stupendous!
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYJones Beach tomorrow~so much to do...including..
sell a ticket. Darnit, I have one of my six ticket block left since I got the telephone call yesterday. These darn Dan virgins..would have been her first show, and she's bailing because her son is leaving for college. Geez.
Anyway...it's Section 13L, row N...$85 plus the ticketbastard fee.
Let me know..
LadyB
Posted by: RCray, NYCHow is EMG doing on the charts?
Are they GOLD yet?
Posted by: kerry pittenger, jerseyI have 2 PIT seats for the Aug. 23 show at the Camden Tweeter Center but I can't go. They are for sale. Please........someone buy these and enjoy it. I'm sick that I.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Waiting for an upgrade...Here's a random thought...What if they played the current set list in a slightly reversed-order?
SET I
CUBANO CHANT (Still a great little intro, so leave it up top)
FM (Immediate crowd pleaser and one to get the casual late-comers rushing to their seats)
MY OLD SCHOOL (No worries now about "no dancing" until late in the show as the crowd is now on their feet and moving)
DTMA (The Herington intro stops ANYONE from sitting down and the party-time continues)
KID C (Need I say more?)
JOSIE (The casuals have heard almost everthing they came for and soon must/will go!)
PARKER'S BAND (The casuals in the good seats will now start to look around at each other wondering what the hell is playing)
TIMTM (This is our chance to start scoping prime seats that will soon be available, as many are now being vacated)
HAITIAN DIVORCE (No beer break on this song as the show is virtually over for the casuals and they begin to file out)
THE STEELY DAN SHOW (The perfect song to merchandise tour swag on the way to the beverage tents)
SET II
As we all settle into our new front row seats, we hear...
The Jailbait Medley...
JANIE RUNAWAY (Confirmation for those on their way to the car that they "beat the traffic")
HEY 19 (Confusion now for those same traffic beaters..."Hey, we know that song, don't we Honey?")
BAND INTROS (WB could groove the intros just as easily here, because when the intros are done as part of Slang, we have no real chance to acknowledge Walter)
HOME AT LAST (Finally, we are...)
PEG (Love it live or not, it's almost always part of the show)
SLANG OF AGES (Walter gets the kudos he deserves from the crowd)
BABYLON SISTERS (Shake it!)
BLACK COW (Always nice to hear, but a tough sub for any tune from EMG)
CAVES (This has belonged near the end of the show since Night I)
GODWHACKER (What a set closer this could be!)
ENCORES (A flip of the two openers for the real SET I)
AJA (An emotional encore for many of us, perhaps)
TOOM (This would make for a tremendous closer and the outro would allow D and W plently of time to bail, ala FM)
Or perhaps I have just had too much time between shows to think about things like this...SOH
Posted by: Laina, eyes falling out of head from staring at computer screenOh yes, that reminds me. I was in the Campus Market at my university and as I was stirring sugar into my coffee, "My Old School" came on! I stayed for as long as I could, but I had an Econ final to take, sooooo.....
Twas' nice to hear some random Dan.
Laina
Posted by: Boston Rag, Manchester ShowBig Fan - They started 15 minutes late, not early. The ticket said 7:30 start time but about 4,000 people seemed to have thought it was 8:00pm. Also, the Mohegan Show is Monday, not Tuesday - don't be 24 hours late. Yikes!
For the first set my daughters and I were about 22 rows back in the center. I thought the sound was very muddy. It seemed to improve with the set closer "Home At Last". My daughters digged every minute of it and enjoyed the set projections too.
We heard rows 7 and 8 had many empty seats for the first set so at the break we moved up to 8th row center. My 8 year old was right on line with Fagen's Rhodes and the seat in front of her was empty. I swear Donald was watching her during the second set! I told her to wave at him and he nodded his head at her. She was jazzed!
The sound was much better closer up. Perhaps we were picking up the band's mix.
As Big Fan mentioned earlier Donald is back to singing 'Aretha Franklin' during Hey 19. At the same time, Zellie, Flex and Callie sing 'sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me'. A nice touch.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: steelydoubt, a few minutes ago wilst watching "i love the 70's" on vh1 i heard a little of Bodhisattva during the lts or dsl or lsd or whatever thing. someone else will have to watch it.
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, BostonApologies if I ruffled anyone's feathers... My main beef was that I was sick & tired of hearing people pick apart each show as if it was some sort of test. I pay my way to A LOT of shows thoughout the year, and in terms of performance quality, this is one of the best things going. It's live entertainment, we should all sit back (or stand) and enjoy it... I sure as hell did.
Posted by: Laina, free til tuesday's final"Davis, just an added thought:
Pondering bootlegging is far more reprehensible than so called flubbing lines"
*sigh* I just don't see why the *discussion* of live shows on CD (or bootlegs as ya'll like to call them) is so very verboten on here. Perhaps my perspective is biased because I listen to a few other artists who do allow taping and free trading of their live shows (Jack Johnson, John Mayer, Ben Harper [on occasion]). I am quite used to being on a board, asking about the availability of a recent show and not having people clam up about it or wag a finger. AiA is great...I just wish there were more live shows available.
Have D&W expressed a disapproval for or a statement against tapers? Can someone please direct me to that statement?
**I am not a taper, nor do I own taping equipment. I DO, however, enjoy the sound of live music.**
Lainalove
Posted by: seth2112, you all need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!
we are talking about music, only music
lyrics, sound, fests, seat locations
i challange anyone who actually bought aja in 78 or gaucho in 80 for $9.99,,,,,,,,those who get this r in the loop
its a concert.........entertainment
lyrics, davis, i suggest medicine
i saw them, its fun, great fun in 93, 96, 00 and 03
its all good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
emg is not 2vn or g or a
enjoy
have fun
they are not going to play wu, gold teeth etc
if u heard boson rag, dirty work, etc its been done
its cool, its done'enjoy parkers and dont take me alive
it is the shit
if u care, check out andy metzger and listen to the second arrangement
Posted by: Gretchen, DAVIS-I hope someone puts Sea Monkeys in your beer. That's all I have to say to you, end of story.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, on islandhey big fan - i won't cut and paste my thoughts from the sign in stranger page, but i was at verizon too - i scored front row center - it was unbelievable!
i was also at tweeter and also took our kid, she was mesmerized!
have fun at your third - lucky dog!
Posted by: Honeybun, Soon to be zooming on a couch somewhere!Hey guys, I've been up for 23 hours solid and it's 3.15am my time (UK).......I think I'm gonna pass out........The'Dan rules!
Night, Honeybun
Posted by: hoops, chicago
From Dandom Digest: hoops@dandom.com
Subject: Real Life "Green Book"
If you thought the "Green Book" was set in the future, check again. An article on page 7 of this past Sunday's "New York Times" has an article all about interactive porn that sounds a helluvalot like what, in my interpretation, is going on in Steely Dan's "Green Book."
If you have thrown out Sunday's paper already, you can also check: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/17/movies/17KENN.html
Here's an excerpt:
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"When you're watching a regular porn movie, you're watching it in the third person," Joone said by telephone. "You're basically a voyeur. This way it's a first-person experience. If the girl is in the missionary position, the camera is looking down at her as you would be if you were actually there with her. You're the god of your world at that moment."
In "Virtual Sex With Devon," the DVD starts with a brief introduction: "I'm Devon. Are you ready to play with me?" At that point Devon's head bobs robotically back into place and the same greeting is repeated until the viewer chooses from four features offered on the on-screen menu: "Strip," "Stories," "Foreplay" and "Sex."
If the viewer chooses the "Foreplay" or "Sex" option, he can choose one of four sexual positions and even Devon's "demeanor" — like "innocent" or "nasty" (when she "talks dirty and gets dominant"). There are also little icons on screen in the shape of tongues, vibrators and fingers to choose from to further direct the action.
"You choose the sexual positions!" screams the box text for the "Virtual Sex" series. "You choose the camera angles! You can choose her moods between innocent and nasty! You ask her to strip naked for you! You control this gorgeous sexual animal and enjoy her countless times!"
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See what I mean?
hoops
Posted by: Set list Mssr, Hey George, one show is never enough even if it is the same set list. Scroll Down and you will see the setlists.
Posted by: Joey , " I'm flying back to L.A. this morning and I'm comin home with a buttload of whopassz for anyone who continues to rationalize this shabby execution. Get ready you sick fruity bee-aacthes"
Rajah , I would like to clutch you to my bosom , softly and gently stroke your young , moist , sweaty , glistening , GLISTENING little Rajah forehead and just say , " Thanks " , for being ...............Well ????? ................You !
Tonight's shot of BarenJager is for you .
Joeskee !
Posted by: George , Harford County MDI was just wondering is Steely playing the same set every night? Basically I would love to see a set list or set lists of what they have been playing. I cant wait to see them, and Iam trying to talk a friend into seeing them more than once, of course I could see them night by night same set or not!! Can someone please let me now something, thanks a lot.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoHey cowboys & cowgirls, glad you're debating how you feel about missed lyrics and spontaneity at shows, but turn down the intensity a bit, huh? It's like you are tryin' to blow my SD tour high, not to mention it doesn't make it fun to run a place like this. Second warning.
Getting ready for Jones Beach on Friday. One of my favorite places, provided it doesn't rain. Just completely beautiful. As I was headed from the Saturday to Sunday night SD show will Bill Griffin and his sister, I was reminded how gorgeous the ocean and all the ships are all in that area. That, along with the show, got me all excited for this Friday. In 2000, I drove straight through to Jones Beach from Chicago and then when I got there, Lady Bayside surprised me with a birthday cake. What a great time. Can't wait again. Rain, rain, go away.
I've gotten more than a few Emails asking if I was going to go to Roseland and it it was worth it. HELL, YES!!! This will likely be the Danfest to end all Danfests, not that we want them to end. Heck, if I get hit by a bus, I want my wake at these shows. (Where did THAT bit of morbidity come from?) My only regret is that the Marquee canopy in front of Roseland is gone. Of course, Roseland almost fell victim to the wrecking ball a few years ago, so I guess it's lucky that it's there at all.
Speaking of Danfests to end all Danfests, Boston was right up there as well. Still have this spring in my step and throbbing in my heart from that show and Danfest.
And I'm not sure about the acoustics, but that I had never been to Garden State Performing Arts Center before and at least visually dug that incredible concrete dome. Sorry some people got rained on though. What's with the School buses? Thanks Toni, YGK and Lady B. and everyone else.
Thanks for the review of Verizon, Big Fan. Sounds like that Danfest will get a Danny for "Most Underage Drinkers at a Danfest." Did DF dedicate the jailbait medley to them?
The students are all back and it reminded me that when they left, "The Last Mall" and "Blues Beach" was just put out on the net. Like Big Fan, I'm wishin' they might add them back. At the same time, those two songs are almost like anomalies to the rest of the album. Has it been that long already?
Speaking of great Danfests, the Countdown to Ecstasy Danfest group has gone wild since the last SD show at Merriwether. They even had a Danfest last Saturday. Now I can't make weeknight shows since classes are in session. But do go and nmake it, you won't regret it.
Enough for now, and give the missed line thing a rest. Every tour, I always wonder if there will be another.
jim
Posted by: fezo, Black Diamond BayI'm worried about Bob Dylan. I think he's getting senile or just doesn't care anymore. I was watching a concert video--Don't Look Back--of his over the weekend and I noticed at least three vocal deliveries that didn't match the original studio recording. What nerve.
Carolyn's brother is indeed getting married. His engagement announcement was in the New York Observer's rather unique pre-nuptials section early (much) in the year.
A week until Nissan. Can hardly wait. Wonder if our heroes will throw "Fall of '92" onto the setlist in honor of the locale. Or maybe "Book of Liars" would be more appropriate.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Rome, ItalyDAVIS - You are right on my friend, Donald has no business flubbing lyrics a month into the tour. No excuse for it - none at all, I don't give a f**k what he's going through. I'm flying back to L.A. this morning and I'm comin home with a buttload of whopassz for anyone who continues to rationalize this shabby execution. Get ready you sick fruity bee-aacthes, I will not stand for it. Ciao and peace.
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at lastStill recovering from the NH show last night –
Wonderful new venue – Verizion Wireless Arena – clean. Very laid back. Small crowd – about 5000, over half empty.
Nice picture on the front page of the paper.
http://www.theunionleader.com/
Nice day for a drive to and from NH. Manchester is a great little city – very clean.
What an improvement over the Tweeter Center. Seats were cushioned; my butt doesn’t feel like a washboard. AC was nice inside – bad was more relaxed. Sound system infinitely better. Bigger stage so the band could spread out. I could get used to these indoor venues. My first to see SD since 93 at the Hartford Civic Center.
My son’s first concert – he had a great time!!!
Danfest was a smashing success. At least 200 people.
After concert Danfest was even better – Jane you can smoke out the places!!!! She even found the only bar in the US where the drinking age is still 15.
Chorus wore the same outfits as Tweeter – same red tops, black slacks, wore jackets this time indoors.
Setlist the same as Tweeter – bummer was hoping for Last Mall or Blues Beach to be added back in.
Started 15 minutes early – a word of warning, don’t be late to your seats in the future or you’ll miss some of the concert.
No keychains for sale.
Intros were a little longer – Walter mentioned his son went to school just up the road – I assumed college. Michael L. is soon to be married????
Do did not allow the crowd to sing Hey 19 – perhaps afraid that the NH crowd was not as worldly as the Tweeter crowd. He has gone back to the original Aretha Franklin reference – I always liked Otis Reading as a change up.
See you all next Tuesday at Mohegan Sun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: davis, BostonI make one remark about missed lyrics,(which everyone has been pointing out) next thing you know My name is Saddamm Hussein. I think its you guys who need to chill out and get a life. And Gretchen my dear who are you to criticize me??? you want to fire the first shot be prepared for retaliation next time or zip your lip.
Hey Babylon check your grammar next time genious.
"Also get you spelling right before you want to show "
Posted by: les, new yorkhas anyone else noticed the RITZ CRACKER reference during "hey nineteen" ...."c'mon girls, what was the name of that tequila"
used it three years ago on y2k tour, wasn't all that funny then, and is frightening to hear the greatest contemporary lyricicst use it AGAIN, as if nothing else would work there...
well, i should know ny now, that its just a spasm
like a tj orgasm
that its cheap but its not free
see ya at jones
Posted by: hoops, Hey some of you need to remember the best advice for here or other forums: someone giving you a hard time? Ignore them, don't give'em energy. Nothing wrong with being really into the topic, but there comes a superfine line.
Misunderstood lyric? Very common one more than a few people have told me and I'm with them:
"All those Deigo freaks who used to pay the fez."
hoops
Posted by: Hooper, NHWell, one certainly can't fault Steely Dan for not inciting one's emotions can we. Signs of true fans. The fact is that everyone's experience will be different - and that's OK. Let's just remember that that is OK.
"Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya!!"
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynIt is dismaying to learn there are people who don't know the differences between live performance and a controlled studio environment. You might as well say a guitarist blew a solo because he didn't copy it from the album.
Posted by: Babylon Brother, by the bayDavis, next time attend a literature class. Also get you spelling right before you want to show us how good your English is . Or get a life , it might help too . What a joke ...
Posted by: Gretchen, My, Davis, can't you take a little critisism without lashing back with vulgarity? I'd hate to be that 6 foot brunette. My condolences to her, and why don't you go on over to the Eminem message board? You'd probably be a perfect fit there.
Posted by: Gretchen, My, Davis, can't you take a little critisism without lashing back with vulgarity? I'd hate to be that 6 foot brunette. My condolences to her, and why don't you go on over to the Eminem message board? You'd probably be a perfect fit there.
Posted by: akakii, Chinese music always set me free
Even the banjos sound good to me
Posted by: YGK, NYCOK, folks, it's the Top Ten Flubbed Lines/Miseheard Lines/Quotes in a Steely Dan Show - Lyrics or otherwise. (the accuracy of which is merely up to the listener - embellished beyond belief)
10. Is there Gas in the Car? Shall we crash in Del Mar?
9. Lady's and Gentlemen, my partner: Balter Wecker!
8. You're a Great Fucking Audience!
7. Now I'm holding Down Below.
6. It's like a stupid farter
5. If you grew up in Hackensack, I'm the Duke of Url
4. It's too much of nothin - that steak attitude
3. Your Quote here
2. Your Quote here
1. Your Quote here
ygk
Posted by: Connie, In a vineyardMaybe Donald should have wrote instead
"I cried when I wrote this song,
Sue me if I play it wrong."
Posted by: Joey, " Are YOU perfect in all that you do, all the time? I'm certainly not, and my guess is that you're not, either. So lighten up, this is supposed to be entertaining. "
Why so irritable today Princess ???? All we do is love here .
Now , smoke some Chiba and Come to Joey .............................
Joeykins
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYou tell em there Gretch.
Posted by: hoops, Children! Calm down and drink some Tang®, with 100% of your daily requirement of Vitamin C in every serving. Head to a Danfest and you'll realize everyone who posts here is a real person. Think about that, hey?
Let's face it, to get every lyric is devine but every Steely Dan show is, well, fucking awesome—even if a few words are flubbed. I can tell by this thread we're all getting used to the idea of Steely Dan performing live every few years.
As far as more live recordings, I have to say I did "Alive In America" (especially for "Bopok of Liars" the 90s version of "Reelin'"), but I also wish it were two CDs and didn't read like it was excerpted. Intros and small measures of stage comments would allow me more to close my eyes and be there. AiA was a touch overly sanitized and primped. But, hey, it's an awesome album, nevertheless.
Do I think they will do another live one? Only their hairdressers know for sure. I wish they would but two discs that give the full sequence of a show. And one up the bootleggers by making a DVD-A of it available.
Random Factoid: the album was produced by Donald Fagen and not Becker and Fagen.
Posted by: Jason, BostonHow about we listen to a bootleg of last night's show and let some those that care check the vocals for accuracy.
Group hug everyone!
Posted by: akakii, Well, I'm going to wade in here on Davis's side of the firing line for a moment... I heard several lyrical lapses in the course of the concert. No, I couldn't tell you which songs they were because it didn't particularly matter to me. If anything it makes me chuckle a bit. Just because Don has sung these songs a gazillion times doesn't mean they come out the same every time. They're in the middle of touring -- I'm sure they're tired and probably have a hard time remembering what town they're in. To some extent I'll bet they're operating on auto-pilot. Who knows what each of them is thinking when they're up on stage? Don was probably checking out someone in the front row or thinking about Cuervo Gold or how good it was gonna feel to crawl into bed that night. If missing a word or repeating a lyric is the worst thing they did last night then I'd say it was a pretty damn good show. And if the issue of whether Don mis-sung a word or two is that important to any of us...well, that's pretty damned funny too.
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, BostonDavis, Davis, Davis... is that any way to talk to a lady? Anyways, I stand by my assessment that his voice sounds strong and he's bending notes all over the place. If you want to hear a performer sing every syllable note for note... go see Britney Spear lypsynch to her latest cd.
Green Hawaiian shirt? Don't recall, but I hope you weren't the guy pulling my shirt to sit down during the encore.
Posted by: Davis, BostonGretchen, Respectfully take a Cuban Breeze and stick it where the sun dont shine.
I am sure you would never listen to a bootleg of a live show.
Posted by: Gretchen, DAVIS-
You know, pondering a bootleg is far more reprehensible than the so called flubbing of lines..................
Posted by: Gretchen, Davis, just an added thought:
Pondering bootlegging is far more reprehensible than so called flubbing lines.
Posted by: Gretchen, You're the master of the lyrics? Who awarded you that coveted position? Don/Walt wrote them-they are the masters of the lyrics! Don's not up there to be judged on the accuracy of the lyrical content-he is (along with Walt, the orchestra, and the girls) performing original masterpieces. Are YOU perfect in all that you do, all the time? I'm certainly not, and my guess is that you're not, either. So lighten up, this is supposed to be entertaining.
Posted by: davis, BostonDamn what a beating I am taking for mentioning Dons mess ups. All I can tell you is I counted 5 times, sorry folks, I am a master of the lyrics and always pay attention to that stuff, any way enough with this. Its over..
Now then Paul, I had on a Green and White like Hiwaiian shirt and was with a 6 foot Brunette right behind you.I was in the corner talking to John Herrington just before the 2nd set began..
Posted by: Gretchen, home, for onceC'mon, Davis. Give Don a break. The beauty of a live show is seeing it live, without editing, seeing the performers as real people. Spontineity is the key. Don's not a machine, if he missed a line or two it was probably due to the fact that he's a perfectionist and that alone can make you so nervous you're sure to blank out. If I want a perfect studio rendition I'll listen to Royal Scam with headphones. I suggest you try the same.
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, BostonDavis, I must have been sitting right in front of you AA seat 15 or 16? Anyways, I'm calling your flubs. Where did they happen? Maybe I'm missing something?? I had read the shaky reviews earlier so I went into this show (2nd for me this tour) looking for errors, and just didn’t hear any. (Aside from that one moment of jarring feedback early on).
After a few songs I stopped analyzing and just enjoyed the band (which played each and every song flawlessly). I will agree that Donald’s energy level was low to start, but the audience was not helping at all in that respect. He’s nailing all the tough sections and sounds great IMHO.
Posted by: Joey ,
" Do you think there will ever be a "legal way" to obtain a recording of any live show they perform. I crave being able to pop a CD into my car and cruise around to live Steely Dan. "
Amen to THAT my Brother . Hug Me .
Joey !
Posted by: davis, BostonHOOPS.
Do you think there will ever be a "legal way" to obtain a recording of any live show they perform. I crave being able to pop a CD into my car and cruise around to live Steely Dan.
Posted by: davis, BostonI was right in back of you Paul Row BB Seat 14,,, Anyway, trust me I sang every word to every song, he was flubbing like crazy, infact I think they had to wake him up from his nap before the show.
You know I Saw them in NJ, Great Woods, Last night, and pondering Mohegan Sun,, I never thought I would say this, but I could be All Stelly Daned OUT!!!
Posted by: Joey , " Just a reminder that offering or soliciting bootlegs is prohibited here. Have a nice day. "
Whoops ..........Sorry Hoopsie .
Bad Joey !
Posted by: hoops, Just a reminder that offering or soliciting bootlegs is prohibited here. Have a nice day.
h
Posted by: Joey , " What was up with the sound in Manchester? "
.............or Denver .............or St. Paul ..............or Chicago .............or ......................
Anyone got any Soundboard Boots yet ?????????
Developing ............................
Shiver ..................................
JACKY !
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, BostonSat in the front row in Manchester last night... Band was great, crowd was painfully mellow compared to the raucous Great Woods over the weekend. Not sure what people are talking about with Donald flubbing lyrics... I was 10 feet away and I maybe saw him pause to catch his breath once... Other than that I thought he was flawless, what am I missing? Loved seeing Becker sing up close, pantomimes and all.
Tough to pick highlights, probably Godwhacker & Hatian Divorce which is completely different from what I thought while leaving on Saturday.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynDavis, respectfully, I know how it sounds when he flubs a line. Unless it throws the band off who cares? The musicians listen tot he sounds, not the meanings of the words. Not to mention that about 80% of their songs no longe mean what they meant in the 70s. These songs used to be dark warnings, now they're all just feel good party songs.
Posted by: davis, bostonPeter Q, you dont get it,, Its so obvious when he misses it , and he starts "moaning" to hide the mistake, IT DOES Detract from the song and the momentum, especailly when he says a line in error on the first verse, then has to repeat it in the second..
Sound wasnt that bad in Manchester, then again I was 2nd row..
Posted by: Red, What was up with the sound in Manchester? Couldn't figure out if it was a mic or a mix problem or just the Arena. My husband even stuffed one of his ears with toilet paper to stop the sound that was reverberating from the back. There seemed to be a slight improvemnt just before the intermisssion. Despite that, the set list was great, the drum solo superb and I even enjoyed Walter's singing. Nice to have the boys back on the road again. Thinking of heading down to Mohegan to catch them again, hoping their sound crew can address any problems there quickly.
Posted by: Hooper, NHYep. Sound wasn't great at the Verizon arena. I expected as much. Would have been better to see Dan at the Capital Theatre in Concord - much less cash for the band so not possible. Band was tight though. Great show. Crowd did take a while to warm up. I wonder if people just like to sit and listen to the music? I found myself doing that to start as well.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI must say I am flabbergasted at how many times I read a post like "Donald messed up a lyric." As if in a live performance the content of the lyrics is more important than just hearing his voice as another instrument???? IMHO lyrics are important on the album, when you're listening at home, not in a live show.
Posted by: DAVIS, BostonI sat 2nd row last night, and was amazed how good the sound was. Definatly not like Great Woods Sat, but then again, it was a Tuesday night in MAnchester NH. A few observations.
Herrington was out of his mind last night, just incredible, even got to talk with him inbetween sets. Kid Charlmaine, Dont Take me Alive Solos were straight off the alubum, just incredible. Also , Walt W on the Sax was tighter than Great Woods.. It must get so boring for these guys to play the same sets every night, I was stunned to watch them really get into each song, they must really love what they do.(Ted Baker needs to shed about 30 lbs)
Now then, Good old Donald was in quite a funk, he blew at least 5 lines in 5 different songs. Walter did look annoyed..Again, it has to be brutal doing the same repetitive stuff, howver, every night is a new set of fans, and fresh $$$$$ for thier pockets, they should give the best every night.. Anyway, still an awesome show, and it helps to have a hot girl with you share it with..
See you at Mohegan
Posted by: Jason, BostonJust having coffee the morning after Manchester. I can't say I had the same sound problems that others report last night, however we were quite close to the stage. What was a problem was the 7:30 start time mixed in with all of the other 8 o'clock starts. That messed us up and we missed the first few songs. Ughhhh! Still kicking myself and probably will be until the next show, which for me is Roseland.
The band sounded tight last night, as usual, however I would say that the "energy" level was not as high as Great Woods. That could be because the Great Woods shows always seem to be one of the best stops of the tours but that could be just me. Apologies to all the Boston folks on the list for missing what sounded like a great Dan Fest. We got to Devon's Place about 15 minutes after the party ended. I'm seeing a trend here. It's seems my groovetime watch is a little slow. Can't wait for Roseland, and post show Bernard!!!
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliEn mi countri we have Mickey Rourke, chia pet, Victori underwear (bloomers), muchisimas cosas pero no STEE DAN. Un hombre que se llama "Maricon Joe" oye una cancion "cover" por Herbie Mann, "Go back, Jack, hace lo otra vez" - wow! Peepil go loco like monkeyshit -dancin in the church, fires in the beech, pizza stuck on the walls. "Maricon Joe" hace un mil booty booty tapes de STEE DAN porque gobierno say peepil no allow haff this musica. ONly musica presidente say is OK es "Captain & Tenille":
Love, love will keep us together
Think of me babe whenever
Mi pops ayuda a "Maricon Joe" givin the music put you with God to all peepil pero gobierno es muy fuerte y die "Maricon" y poppi tambien. Triste! Mi moms say we go to America en tuna boat smuggle smuggle so we preach el mesaje de RON FAGEN! Then she drown in waters of furious oceano. Triste! Mi wef, Barna, crack her woman chest in the hard water and the tuna in the boat stink you so bad you die!
Posted by: akakii, The band was tight last night in Manchester, but the sound was atrocious. I was afraid that after the Great Woods show this one could be a bit of a letdown. And what was up with the crowd? It might be just me (and I'm sure you'll let me know if it is) but the audience didn't seem to get into it until about 3/4 of the way through. By the end the place was rocking...it just took awhile to get there.
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, Boston
Posted by: akakii, The band was tight last night in Manchester, but the sound was atrocious. I was afraid that after the Great Woods show this one could be a bit of a letdown. And what was up with the crowd? It might be just me (and I'm sure you'll let me know if it is) but the audience didn't seem to get into it until about 3/4 of the way through. By the end the place was rocking...it just took awhile to get there.
Posted by: Don, New Zealand
All you guys that come into contact with my Aussie Cuzzies be sure to post their exploits here.
I gotta know what they are up to.
Don
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Still...Forgot to drop a post last night regarding our two mates who have winged it over here from Australia for 5 Steely Dan shows on the East Coast and a true taste of Americana along the way...I drove up to LA from San Diego on Sunday to greet Scotty and Alan (Fanofdan in the Greenroom)...The boys were nearly beside themselves with anticipation of what was ahead for them (neither has ever seen Steely Dan)...Alan was somewhat spent as he caught virtually zero sleep on the 15-hour flight (his very first plane-ride EVER) on top of his having had major surgery nary a fort-night ago!...Quite a trooper, this larrikin...Scotty was more well-rested (better meds, perhaps?)...Much talk about Steely Dan and things American (tipping, attire, CHEESEBURGERS!)over several Sierra Nevada Pale Ales...This led into an evening in North Hollywood at The Baked Potato to see The Prezel Logic Band, featuring our own SteveeDan on keys (excellent!)...A great show...Thank you, Steve...You made the boys first night here one to remember...A cab ride home that included a lost cell phone, a lost digital camera and some authentic skanky Mexican beer led into a foray the next day to Venice Beach, the side-show of all side-shows...The boys were rendered somewhat speechless by what they were observing other than the frequent "What in the Christ is THAT all about?"...Yes indeed...Welcome to the USA...Don't want to over-post here, but the guys are headed to Las Vegas next then on to Jones Beach, Mohegan, Saratoga, Nissan, Syracuse and perhaps Atlantic City...DO find these mates at a show near you as they are quite anxious to meet everyone from the Blue and the Green...SOH
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, In A New York State Of MindGod Bless You, Pete Fogel!...SOH
Posted by: SDWeb, Re: toronto reschedule. The rescheduled date was Sept 9...then 6 hrs later changed to Sept 14.That's where it stands, and should now stay.
On another note, a NASTY new fast-moving worm broke out today -- forges "From" field.
See
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f@mm.html
or the details. And DO NOT open any attachments unless you are 100% sure what they are and where they came from. This one is pretty ugly
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoI called Ticketmaster, and they said that the date was indeed changed to the 14th, just a few hours ago. This is all so sketchy, I just hope it doesn't get cancelled. Anyway, as of this moment, the show will be on the 14th.
Posted by: Crawler, Just got back from Manch Vegas as us locals call it. The set was great, the band was tight, and the vibe was right - but the sound was just awful. Almost ruined the whole show for me. Shoulda gone to Great Woods...
Posted by: grippa48, NJJim (aka Hoops),
Thanks for the set info.
Grippa48
Posted by: hoops, Hi!
The setlist was the same as it has been for the past couple of weeks:
Cubana Chant
Aja
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slangof Ages including intros
Peg
Home at Last
INTERMISSION
The Steely Dan Song
Janie Runaway/Hey 19
Haitian Divorce, Walter lead vox <---Hightlight of the past couple of shows for me
Things I Miss the Most
Parker’s Band with the girls on lead vocals
Josie including Keith Carlock's amazing drum solo
Kid Charlemagne
Don’t Take Me Alive
ENCORE
My Old School
FM
Posted by: Gary, NJDoes anyone have the set list for the PNC Bank concert in NJ sunday nite? If so tell me? Thanks
Posted by: Bob, TorontoTORONTO HELP NEEDED............
Ticketmaster.com says Sept 14th
SD.com says Sept 9th
Which is it????
Regards,
Still in the dark
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyFreako-baby - Actually, Italian by way of Cleveland, Ohio and Los Angeles, California. And, si, me knows a meatball when I we seez and hears one. Ci sei tu, my brother, aldila.
Jayzee - Meali remains a fascinating mystery fer shur but, chiwawa, I would like to see a 8 x 10 of Barna swimming for that Florida shore, who wouldn't? And, "babe", well, that's kinda like "mate" for us brain-dead Italians, ya know, the chain wearing wife beater T cliche we all know and love. Pass the parmigiana.
Posted by: deacon blue, BRUSSELS, BELGIUMhello dear Gretchen,
just like you i would like to see the Dan perform The Goodbye Look alive too.
And what about Walk between the raindrops?
That would be a perfect song for the girls,isn't it?
Well i hope W & D will come to Europe
Posted by: Pete Fogel, just confirmedAttention all Shoppers!
Just added --- After the Saturday September 13 Roseland show
After the Saturday show at Le Bar Bat... party for the fans. Show your ticket stub or mention "Steely Dan" and receive reduced admission to see The Hudson River Rats featuring legendary Steely Dan drummer Bernard "Pretty" Purdie (Babylon Sisters, Kid Charlemagne, Home at Last, etc). You've heard him on the records, you've seen him on "The Making of Aja" DVD, now see the "Hit Maker" live. And he's not just sitting in... he's playing all night!
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ROSELAND Festivities!
Friday September 12
5:00pm - Pre Show gathering at the Novotel Hotel, 52nd St & Broadway (across the street from Roseland). The Novotel lobby bar is the best kept secret in NYC. Located on the 6th floor, the lobby bar has a huge outdoor terrace that wraps around the entire building with great views of Times Square and Roseland.... oh, and you're about 40 yards from the venue.
Post Show - Right after the show til 4:00am... Party for the Steely Dan band/crew and fans five blocks north of Roseland (5 min. walk) at Le Bar Bat with a special performance by Funk Filharmonik. This 14 piece funk/soul band is made up of Tower of Power alumni, including vocalists Tom Bowes and Brent Carter and all five horn players. We are expecting many special guests, including former Steely Dan session players.
Your Roseland ticket stub or just mentioning "Steely Dan" will get you discounted admission to the club ($10 instead or $15).
This should be a fun night, we're expecting a big crowd from all over the world...and the best part about it is that everything is within walking distance.
More details to be announced.
http://www.lebarbat.com
Saturday September 13 - Steely Dan session drummer Bernard "Pretty" Purdie will be playing with The Hudson River Rats at Le Bar Bat.
Posted by: Joey , " Kewl man, joey, I am on the same page with ya.
Excellent point: Lets all hope for that live disc or dvd from this tour. "
I would like to nuzzle you .
Posted by: Razor-boy, Kewl man, joey, I am on the same page with ya.
Excellent point: Lets all hope for that live disc or dvd from this tour.
Posted by: FREAKO, ST.LOUISListen, dont pay any attention to Radja, hes from Italy.. He may know how to make nice Spaghetti amd Meatballs, but that's about it for him..
Posted by: Joey , " I guess what I'm trying to say is, that in my opinion, smaller venues, like the M'Sun, are nice because not only is the sound quality better, but the seating is better too (closer). "
Razor .............I feel you .
I would kill to see the Dan at a much smaller venue like Roseland , but , alas , it is too
far away for your young Joey to travel . To witness this great band in such a small , intimate club venue ( The Stones played there too ) is truly a gift and I hope they record and/or film these Roseland Performances for DVD and a live disc .
As to why Donald and Walter are bypassing cities like St. Louis and Kansas City for the second tour in a row makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and has left me quite shaken to the core ( not to mention stirred to sadness ) . As a result , many individuals had to travel to Denver to see the " Dan " and Fiddler's 18,000 Seats were pretty much all filled up ...............................( some last minute give-away lawn seat vouchers helped ) .
So much to ponder ........................
So much lunch at P.F. Changs to digest .
Jacky !
Posted by: Gretchen, Meali-
But can they do a bossa nova version of that? Think Sergio Mendes and Brazil 66............
Posted by: Razor-boy, Joey, not quite sure what your trying to say here, man. If your saying that these venues have more seating capacity, than your probably right. But do you know if they were sold-out or not? and is bigger really better? The show I saw last sat. at the Tweeter was all of about 12,000 strong, and if you read any of the reviews here it was a phenomenal performance.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, that in my opinion, smaller venues, like the M'Sun, are nice because not only is the sound quality better, but the seating is better too (closer).
Posted by: Josie, This is my first post after lurking for quite awhile. I'm really happy that those of you who have seen the recent concerts have enjoyed them so much.
Unfortunately, the Dan are not performing in St. Louis or Kansas City...but I'm fortunate enough to be in Phoenix when they perform at the Dodge Theatre on Sept. 24th. This venue apparently seats 5,000 tops, so it should be really great to see them there. Hopefully there will be a Danfest for Phoenix announced when the date gets closer.
Have fun on the eastcoast Dan Fans!
J
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliSICK FRUITY BITCHES STEELI DAN HOMAGE RAP!
All words and music by Cringemaker Lopez, Don Carlos Miguel de Sanchez Rodriguez y Maria, Meal Reviewer, and Barna de Meal Reviewer
I like Steeli Tan
and I be shoppin'
Up in the guts of LA
Far from Compton
You no like Wally Becker?
You a loser
Not a fez
not a midnite cruiser
Barna got a phobia
She wanna be a problem teen
Just like Janie Runaway or Pixeleen
ETC
TBC
Posted by: Joey, " Its true that it is a smaller venue than the boys have been playing so far, but not by very much. I've been told it still holds 10,000+ for concerts. "
You can bet your Sweet Ass that 10,000+ would not have cut it in Denver .............or Chicago ....................or Cleveland ................or ..............................
Any chance of a Kansas City Date next month ?????????
Developing ..........................................
Jacky !
Posted by: Laina, SLO lubbin'Hey Hank, I'm going to the Santa Barbara Bowl!! So psyched....
Laina
Posted by: Gretchen, BOSTON RAG-
Your girls will love it! What a good dad you are. I remember my mother taking me to see Count Basie back in the 70's-something I'll never forget. It got me into jazz at a very young age. Have a great time!
Posted by: HANK, Who's going to the California shows at The Coors Amphitheatre and The Santa Barbara Bowl?
FYI, I'm flying in from Chicago to see both shows.
Hank
Posted by: davis, bostonI saw that Razor, but I dont feel like sitting in nose bleed, escpecially after sitting second row tonight at Manchester..Tickets.com was much more user friednly though then tickemaster.
"I had a little birdie friend"
Posted by: hoops, chicagoMark!
It will be great and your daughters will love the show. It will be an unforgettable evening. Have a great time and,
EVERYONE, Just lay it all on Don and Walt. Just trip out on these hits, the groove that never quits At THE STEELY DAN SHOW! (steelydan,steelydan,steelydan,steelydan,....)
jim
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandRajah - It wasn't a serious accusation. Like you, I hugely enjoy the ongoing saga of the Sick Fruities. If they ever want to swim the Atlantic I'll fix them up with a few gigs, no prob. But I also appreciate your own particularly well-turned phrases, be they Meali-inspired or not.
And go easy with the 'babe' - Jaydee's just my initials, mate! (and Meali can't be a 'she' - what about the lovely Barna?).
Posted by: Daddy G, Sugar Shack In PA - NY State Fair DanfestAnyone catch any news of a Danfest at the NY State Fair in Syracuse where SD will be playing over Labor Day weekend on August 31st? We really need to have one ... at least a little one!
Posted by: Boston Rag, New Hampster BoundGetting ready to leave soon for the "Verizon Wireless Arena". Donald should have a good time ragging on that. It's my daughters Meagan and Laura's first concert ever (ages 12 and 8). I know, I'm setting the bar very high for them and it probabably won't ever get better than tonight for them. Sigh.
Jane, Al and Dan hope to see you up north and shoot the breeze. We didn't get a chance to talk on Saturday.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyJaydee - I can tell you that Meali is my hero and I'm just basically mimicking him/her, so no, it ain't me babe. I just find Meali so very funny and original. I admire that, unlike me, he/she never gets caught up in any of the one-upsmanship on these pages. Est da bomba, rave on Meali. So come back Freako come back, we NEVER hold a grudge on the Bluebook.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyDr.WU - Great to hear your comments as to Donald's voice. Go Donny.
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Davis, there still seems to be plenty of tix available for Mohegan.
Just follow the link from SD.com touring page, and click on tix for any given venue. This particular one brings you to tickets.com ( mohegan is not a ticketmaster venue).
Posted by: Big Fan, just leaving work on way to NH showHolmdel report from Star Ledger:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-1/1061270263219780.xml
Concert blackout article:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1061244610275&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630
Posted by: davis, BostonRazor Boy, any suggestions on how to get TIX for Mohegan??
Manchester tonight, YA BABY, Although looks like a shitty parking situation up there.
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Gretchen et al,
Just some tid-bits on the mohegan sun arena. Its true that it is a smaller venue than the boys have been playing so far, but not by very much. I've been told it still holds 10,000+ for concerts. As you probably know it is a very new building built for the Conn. WNBA as well as arena football teams. So I am looking forward to nice amenities and hopefully good sound.
I will be making the 2+ hour drive from the Cape that day so if anyone hears of any goings on, lmk.
Thanks,.....Dave
Posted by: Doctor Wu, New JerseyPNC Bank report:
The show was balls out awesome, even though I got rained on. The band was super tight. The horns were fu%$ing sweet. Drums were good. Lead guitar was fantastic. Walt had his nice licks on the guitar, and sang pretty damn well.
Don still can hit the high notes, and he was SOLID. Despite no Doctor Wu, it was truly an experience that I will cherish forever. Setlist was basically the same as the other reports here. Really liked "The Steely Dan Show".
A lot of the band is from NJ originally, so Walt did a great job of introducing the group during "Slang." He also threw in "Hackensack" in place of "Netherlands". Sweet.
Even was satisfied with paying 35 bucks for a t-shirt, which is the one with the coffee cup on the front.
I have to figure out how to see these guys again before this tour is over. Will be in California in October, and am thinking about checking out one of the CA shows before they head to Hawaii.
Posted by: fife, ottawaseptember ninth it is then. I'm there, i'm willing, and i'll buy the t-shirt lol, whew thank god for that i was getting worried.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoJust got back home and, while I am exhausted, I feel so satisfied. Thanks to everyone who made the weekend so special—especially for all the extra efforts way, way, way beyond the tops by Mark & Bill and Karen & Jeff.
Catch some Zzzz's, you know?
Thanks everyone.
hoops
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoI start my college education at Humber in a few weeks, so this should be cool. Usually it's lower to middle level Toronto professional jazz musicians who sit in at the Rex jam, but rarely, if ever, do cats like the ones on that list sit in, so this should be fun. I'm sure I will get my ass royally kicked on the bandstand, but I'm used to that (Chris Potter gave me a real musical shiner at a jam a few months ago).
Posted by: bratfille, going to TOAnyone else sitting in level 200 in Toronto?
Posted by: Big Fan, just changed the oil for the last time in the cadiWay to go Jane - we'll see you there!
Posted by: Bird Lives, torontoJesse,
I copied this from my message to the Toronto Dan Fest list. Not only Classic Rex Jam night (where I have embarresed myself more than once) but the Humber Faculty will be there...you know how great these players are. I will speak to Don Thompson and let him knmow that a bunch of crazed Steely Dan fans will be at the Jam...some of whom can play. As for Donald and Walter showing up...the stuff of dreams!
Here is the great news..and with apologies to Richard Underhill. The 9th is a Tuesday, which is always Classic Rex Jam night. The host band is The Humber College Jazz All Stars. This band is comprised of Faculty members (http://www.humber.ca/creativeandperformingarts/music/diploma/faculty.htm ) including such luminaries as Don Thompson, Ted Quinlan, Brian Dickinson, Ted Warren, Barry Elmes, Mike Murley, David Ochipinti, Mark and Terry Promane, Rick Lazar, Pat Labarbera, Alex Dean, Pat Collins, and on and on…a who’s who of Canadian Jazz. I am not sure who will actually be there that night but will investigate (I know several of these people personally).
Those of you who play, bring your instruments, (Don…let’s touch base off list, the stage is available now!) Somehow we must figure out how to get the band to show up..after all when else will they get to jam with such luminaries!
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoWhat would be even better about the post-Toronto-show get-together, would be if Don and/or Walt sat in at the Rex. Tuesday night at the Rex is the Classic Rex Jazz Jam, where anybody is allowed to sit in.
Posted by: Pam, Ding- Time out of mind... that must be where I am today.
Posted by: Pam, Thanks - got it! What's TOM stand for (a little sleepy today...).
Pam
Posted by: Bird Lives, TorontoSept 9th it is!!!! I am arranging to have our soiree after the show (the inaugural Steely DanCanFest). In the spirit of camaraderie, and given that Walter, Donald et al lived through the heat and darkness with us this last Thursday night, we need to ensure they actually attend the event at The Rex. If anyone reading this post has any way of getting a message directly to them...let them know they are expected with the band and the roadies!! We will show our appreciation for not blowing us off and cancelling.
Posted by: Rindy, NYCOK, I stand corrected, Shaun
I was sitting in the 300s...
-Rindy
Posted by: Rindy, NYCPam - the setlist was the same as other recent dates on the tour
See previous posts on this list for further info.
-Rindy
Posted by: Shaun, BostonA great two nights! Boston into New Jersey. Just got back home. Next show is AC.
Rindy- Actually Donald didn't sing 'Retha at PNC last night. As a matter of fact, he didn't sing anything. Their was this crazy fan standing in front of the stage. He was singing (yelling) the lyrics right at Donald. When the Aretha part came up, Donald shut his mouth and the guy and most of the crowd sang "Aretha Franklin". Donald said "you see, I don't even have to be here" and then sang "she don't remember the queen of soul" It was pretty cool.
p.s. I like Cindy Mizel much better than Victoria Cave.
Posted by: Pam, Does anyone have the actual setlist from PNC?
Posted by: Nazman, New FrontierDeacon of da Blues
Thank you for mentioning Victoria Cave. I miss her too. I like that trio, Cynthia, Carolyn and Victoria. Oh well, things change but i have wondered what happened to her. From her interview session on the TvN DVD one would wonder if she wasn't feeling very appreciated and moved on. Or maybe it was just a conflict in schedule. Anybody out there who knows what i'm saying. Anybody got any answers to this APB? Delightful interviews on the DVD, many of which are priceless. The TvN DVD is one of my staples cause if i can't be with them live at least i can go DVD. It's all good!!!!
Posted by: bratfille, "I am Canadian"Toronto show rescheduled for Sept. 9, same venue.
https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasepage_ca.asp?event_id=100036AE7B504778
Yahooo!!!!
Posted by: mps1156, ChicagoDoes anyone know how I can purchase an Aja 2003 tour shirt? I went to the show in Chicago on 8/8 and they were sold out of XL's. The website doesn't sell them and I'm not about to roadtrip to another city. Anyone willing to purchase a t-shirt at an upcoming show? Thanks for your help/suggestions.
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoThe new leg 2 opener will be Toronto on September 9th. Just got it off Ticketmaster.ca. I was watching a news story on Much More Music (Canadian VH1) about all the shows that were cancelled/postponed due to the blackout. To my horror, they said that Steely Dan had been cancelled. Luckily, they were wrong. Just postponed until September 9th.
Posted by: Rindy, Back From PNC>You see, instead of singing, ''That's 'Retha Franklin,'' he sang, ''That's Otis Redding.''
He sang 'Retha last night at PNC
It was a fantastic show
My only complaint is that the sound seemed to be a bit out of sync during Aja and Time Out of Mind - especially the former
When Donald started blowing on his keytar (is this the correct name?), it gave off feedback that it almost split my eardrums
Despite knowing the whole setlist before the show started, it was still a fantastic performance by everyone involved
Ted Baker seemed to have a bigger role than what I would have expected from what posters said from other venues
Tom Barney was the one who had too small a role IMHO - seemed like the only time he had a chance to shine was during the intros; also dug his new hairstyle
Here's to hoping there are many more tours to come...
-Rindy
Posted by: Gretchen, workFez-
I'm going to Mohegan, but I haven't heard of anything going on before the show. Anyone else? I've never been there, actually, but was told it was a small venue. Acoustics are supposed to be excellent.
Posted by: Jahida, VermontManchester, NH danfans... I am going - my first SD show!! Paid my hard earned money for floor seats for me and my guy. Very excited reading the setlists, lot of my favorite tunes!! LOVE Janie Runaway! I am going to try convince my honey to meet and the bbq but if not, then maybe someone can say hi at the show. I am 23, light brown hair, BIG hazel eyes, and will be in row N (?) seats 4&5 Section 3. Super excited, been waiting all summer!
Jahida (juhiduh)
Posted by: Bill,
Was at show show last night at PNC. Lifelong Dan fan whose favorite album was "Royal Scam". Saw Donald and Walter on '93 tour at Meadowlands and Madison Square Garden, then few years ago at PNC. Very predicable sets, especially encores of My Old School and FM. Didn't want to hear Walter sing "Haitian Divorce" either...still have memories of everyone taking bathroom breaks during his solo stuff from last tour.
"Parker's Band" was excellent as was "Don't Take me Alive". Wished they played Black Friday or some older stuff from the first 3 albums; was basically a Aja/RS/Goucho tour like a few yrs ago.
Posted by: Jane Lightning, Echoing everyone's sentiments about the Boston show: What a Night!
Thanks Mark and Bill for the usual fantastic Danfest. No doubt a repeat Danny winner. An impossible act to follow, but...
In case anyone going to Manchester tomorrow night is not on the Danfest mailing list, here are the details for the pre- and post-show fests. Sorry for the duplication if you already received the email.
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The closest I ever get to Manchester is either I-93 or the airport, so last week, I went on a fact-finding mission to check out the Verizon Arena environs. There is no central parking area, just small lots and/or meters, which rules out tailgating possibilities. The promising-looking restaurant where we conducted the dry-run was an overpriced disappointment.
The Plan B Manchester Danfest (without quite the cachet of the Slang Me Boston Danfest) was thus born. No Steely Dan show is quite complete without a Danfest, and this gathering will definitely be better than the (nothing) alternative. It's now or never (Slang Me), and these places look pretty good!
4:00 - 6:00:
Down 'n Dirty BBQ 168 Amory ST Manchester
www.downdirtybbq.com
20-seat BBQ joint, Interesting Menu, Cheap, BYOB (Beer, Wine)
6:00 - Walk/Drive to arena, probably a 10-15 minute walk
After the show:
Strange Brew Tavern 88 Market ST Manchester
www.realblues.com/club9.html
$2 Beer (huge selection of imported and microbrews)
$2 Well Drinks
Downtown Manchester and Parking Alternatives:
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Hope to see you there!
Posted by: seth2112, PNC show on Sunday night===Lightning, thunder and rain started to pour from the skies during the opening chords of GW. Very surreal.
Parkers Band truly underated from the board, it really grooves. Don't take me alive not to be missed, Harrington pulls a hendrix reverb for he intro.....
Posted by: thefez98, BostonUnfortunately, the timing of this tour sucked for us as we're moving next Thursday and scrambling. However, we did take time-out Saturday night to catch a WONDERFUL show at GREAT WOODS. Bumming we couldn't make it up to the Danfest, which I heard was awesome and we howled when Walter donned the T-shirt at the end. We we're looking to seeing Hoops and gang again for the first time since the Le Bar Bat weekend.
We're also going to take T.O (two days before moving) to catch the Mohegan Sun show, anyone going? any meeting place been established? We're actually looking to spend the night at the OTHER casino (FoxWoods) afterwards as we have some 'Wampum Bucks' to cash out.
As far as the song selection, hey - you can't please everyone with such a nice list to select from but MOS and FM are getting tired for an encore. God, would EMG be a great closer or what? Also, I think Lunch with Gina is noticably absent as it's a great rocker and dance song.
Looking forward to next Monday night at the casino,
Jim & Danielle
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandI think Hoops should get ISP to run another check - Rajah and Meal Reviewer must be the same (two geniuses on one board - I think not). Probably they're Freako too.
Anyway, sad (very sad) thing is I can't get over to Dallas gig due to work stuff, so need to unload 2 tickets. Cost me $156 - I'll sell for $100. Where's best place to do this? Here? Any advice appreciated.
(Some good news at least - England just beat S Africa at cricket - yes!).
Posted by: Boston Rag, Gretchen - It's not silly, it's a beautiful thang!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Gretchen, Ok, ignore me, I know sound silly, but it's just so exciting!
Posted by: Gretchen, driving to the seashore and right back againMO_
I'm soooo afraid I'll cry when I see them,(especially Don), for the first time. If I hear him sing "Bad Sneakers" I know I'm finished. Like you, I've been a fan since I was a kid and Mohegan will be the first time I've experienced them live. I'd love to have closer seats, just for the purpose of seeing Don-I could never be to close to him! Isn't he heavenly? Genius has a powerful magnetism, I fear.
Posted by: Deacon of da Blues, DetroitishI'm weighing in, just to be heard.
Saw the Chicago and Detroit shows. Great for the experienced fan, but hard to follow for the uninitiated. Detroit - Yuppie crowd, most arrived during the first song. For a Detroit crowd it was surprising and disappointing.
My observations (keep in mind I'm a big fan who just wants them to be perfect like the other superheroes from my childhood):
I thought Caves was an unfortunate choice. It's not a good live tune, just a favorite tune. Wu or Fez or EMG, Gina, Reelin, Do it Again, and twenty others would have been a better choice.
Janie Runway - Great in the studio, not a live tune either.
Walter should not sing. Walter plays fill (noodles) and supports better than anyone I've heard and is very competent on the lead, though not showy. He and Donald seem content to allow the players to shine while they, along with the rhythm section, are content to keep the train on the tracks. The formula works.
Herrington is a great guitar player but needs to play outside the ropes a little more...thats what a lead is there for and god knows he's talented enough to do it. He seems like a shy studio guy who is a bit uncomfortable in front of a crowd. Very, very talented, please don't get me wrong. I miss Drew Zingg from the '93 tour.
Baker is underrated...he plays alot of chops that are obscured by the volumes in live music. Multiple instrument handy man that you NEED in a band of this caliber.
Donald was more outfront and outspoken that I've ever seen him. He seems to be trying to avoid hiding behind the mike as he has in the past. Immensely talented but I suspect he too loves the studio moreso than live performances. Great technician, brilliant writer and arranger. I wish he'd talk more and share some insights for those of us hungry for more information.
Carlock - Holy shit, sign him up because he won't be around long. They have been blessed by great drummers on all of their tours. He has seized the tunes and plays them like he owns them. The Josie solo started slow, built beautifully and then he finished like a tasmanian devil. Would love to hear that track on a live album though the would not likely do that since it's already on AIA
Girls - Very tasty. Parker's Band, however, does not compare to Dirty Work last time around. Dirty Work was stunningly beautiful and set the bar high. Victoria Cave, I miss looking at you.
Horns - Cornelius keeps everyone honest. Pugh's trombone is a critical part of the section that adds weight to the mix around the saxes and horn. Leonhart and Weiskopf are wonderful but seem under-utilized. I would like to see some Chicagoesque (the band not the city) mid-song arrangements similar to that in My Old School.
Barney - He's very competent but he isn't mixed loud enough...more of a mixing board issue. Maybe I heard the deep groove Becker layed down on EMG and expected that kind of weight on the tour. Detroit (open-air) was especially disappointing
Cubano Nights was a real nice touch to let these guys warm-up and for jazz lovers it was stunning.
Kid C., was awesome, as was Don't Take Me Alive, Josie, Black Cow, My Old School, Peg, TIMTM, FM (though not a favorite of mine)....hell I even liked the muci in the solo introductions (Baker's work).
They need three sets not two. They have so much more to say and so little time to say it........
Posted by: Honeybun, DAVIS:
'By the time they even think about a future tour, they will be 60...'
Actually you may have a point there!! Never thought about it like that...BUT their still NOT old!!! ;p
'Ron Fagen and Wally Beeker' lol, that's hilarious!
Honeybun
Posted by: Mo , on cloud 9I've been a danfan for close to 30 years and last night I finally got to see them live FOR THE FIRST TIME!!! We had 2nd row seats, right in front of Donald, almost a little too close, if you know what I mean, but nevertheless it was awesome to be so "up close and personal" with them. Even though I knew what they were going to play, it was better than I could have ever imagined. It was truly an outrageous show - an incredibly wonderful experience for me - I
cried through most of the first set - tears of sheer and utter joy.
Donald looked and sounded fantastic! And he was really, really into it, having a grand ole time. Actually the whole band seemed to be having a blast. They were so tight, everything was perfect. Perhaps some of that was because many of them were "home at last".
Keith Carlock is fucking amazing!! Even the band seemed to be blown away by his solo. And he's just a kid!!!
Any North Jersey fans going to Roseland who wouldn't mind if I tagged along?
~Mo
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghDonald has been substituing Otis for Aretha since '93. He has said (in jest? who knows....) that Aretha liked the song but objected to being characterized as someone a 19-year-old would have never heard of, since she's still around and performing, hence the namecheck of the long-departed Otis instead.
>You see, instead of singing, ''That's 'Retha Franklin,'' he sang, ''That's Otis Redding.''
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynIt's too delicate of an issue to push it here Gretchen! Whatever.
Posted by: Nazman, New FrontierGretchen
Have often thought myself that "Goodbye Look" would be a classic closer behind "My Old School." The band could go into a nice little jazz jam at the close of the song. It's such a great tune. Have i mentioned that i just Loooooooooove this band. When it comes to any given concert though i'll take what i can get. Again, that they're on tour is a nothing short of a miracle in itself. Lovin it...
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYSo, so tired. YGK, a lovely friend of his, Hoops and I were able to make it to PNC last night through a downpour, clogs at the Holland Tunnel, and general obstacles to make it to what was a gorgeous night, musically, anyway.
We had seats in the loge, section 303, to the left of the sound board, and the sound quality was wonderful. I regret the lack of dancability in my section (I didn't want to obstruct anyone's view) but I sat--no, vibrated--in my seat and danced as well as I could anyway.
I know lots of people have heard the setlist, so I won't bother (frankly, I don't know if I could replicate it anyway), but the highlights for me were Kid C (my absolute favorite, even if they do play it every tour), Home At Last, Caves, and just listening to Donald and Walter banter. They were both in fine form...we were a "great f***in' audience" and they were absolutely fab. As one point, the audience was singing along, and Donald said "I don't even have to be here." I bet he liked the audience participation though. He was chatty last night.
The loudspeaker system had an announcement on it as we arrived that there were still seats available, but last night, as I was looking around, I can't imagine where they could have been. It was PACKED.
I hope Hoops made his flight...poor soul sacked out at Penn so he wouldn't miss the train to Boston (and the resulting flight to Chicago).
So, now I am prepping for JONES BEACH this Friday. Festivities start around 4 in the parking lot. You should be able to find my van, since I will be flying 3 Margarita shaped balloons, EMG-style.
I realize this is a generally uncreative review, but this is all I got right now, folks. Besides, I don't even have words to describe how fabulous it was.
Email me to RSVP for the Jones Beach fest...I just want a headcount so I can gauge food and drink.
LadyB
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter, a great many SD fans have been so since back in the 70's, when the band wasn't touring. Therefore, like myself, lots of these people have never heard their classics performed live. I realize that many of Miles' fans never heard his older material live, but I think D & W are trying to be more attuned to both the older and newer fan bases. Looking on the bright side, perhaps SD is planning future tours where 2VN and EMG will be more prominent, with less emphasis on Aja, RS, and Gaucho.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI would definitely prefer to have more recent material. I remember when Miles used to play, it was the last two albums and that was it, no matter how hard the crowd screamed for Kind of Blue or Bitches Brew or anything else. Anything older than the last two albums was considered ancient history. I must say I like this approach much better.
Posted by: JP, this bright familiar shoreFM just needs updating: "Iiii - Pod, (no commericials at alllll..)"
Posted by: davis, BostonI belive I just got the good bye look...
Posted by: Gretchen, Thanks, Davis, but somehow that doesn't have the same effect that Don would.......
Posted by: davis, bostonNo Mohegan for me Scurvey...Hope to hear something about NH tommorrow..
Wont you pour me a "cuban breeze: .....Gretchen....?
Posted by: Gretchen, kicking off my high heelsHow about "Goodbye Look?" I'd love to hear Don say my name live. God, is he beautiful!
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Davis,
Lets just agree to disagee. FM is not a lousy song, its just in a lousy spot. If that song gets played anywhere else in the set it would be pretty much forgotten.
How 'bout like tours past we put in IGY instead. or even better how about Boston rag just for local sake.
Don't know anything going on in Manchester yet.....Stay tuned.
R.U going to mohegan too?
Dave
Posted by: davis, BostonScurvey,
Should just be a matter of time before it surfaces on Kazza or something, but like yourself I am very anxious...
Posted by: just another scurvey brother, barrytownWell, I've been digging like crazy trying to find a boot of the '03 tour and so far have come up with nothing. If anyone out there has a boot and would like to set up a trade, please send me an e-mail. I have a long list of Dan from other years as well as dozens of other artists.
thanks.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalySignor de Freako - how can do you say in jour counti remova cucumber from los buttholos? You 'bout sharp as sack wet mice. Thud. Get happy scungilli.
We luvs da Ron Fagen and Wally Beeker. Baboolon Brothers. (shakee)
Posted by: davis, bostonRazor Boy, any pre concert activites you know of for Manchester tommorrow night??
Also, say what you want,, FM is a lousy song to end on, especially after My Old School.
Posted by: Grippa48, The band was so hot lastnite at PNC! The BEST perfomance I've ever seen the band do. My hats off to a Don and Walt for a performance well done. Thanks guys for a great time!
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass., N.H. and Conn.More thoughts from saturday's show at the birdcage (aka: da tweeta' ctr.)
Sound = INCREDIBLE!! we were worried that being so close would compromise the quality, but after walking around abit, decided it was just as good as anywhere else in the building.
At one point, I think Donald accidently spit on the guy next to me while singing (I wonder if something like that is worth anything on ebay?).
Anyway I can't add to much to whats already been said. Great horns, phenomenal drumming, back-up gals were yummy (worthy of even being introduced twice!) and guitar-work very tight.
Song selection/set-list very good too. 5 songs from Aja! perhaps one of the best albums ever made. yesssssssss. Cave's, Aja, and Don't take me alive, highlights for me.
Les; lets not be too hasty in condemning peg, josie, babylon an kid charlemagne for more new stuff. If I remember the list correctly they did do 3 new songs. In my opinion 3 or 4 new songs is plenty. If they must alterate, lets get rid of janie runaway, a song even donald himself says they're "embarassed" to do. or a haitian divorce that just dosn't seem to fit in. Walter, love you man, but 1 walter song (slang) per show is enough.
Davis, buddy, easy on the FM thing, its a good song that keeps the crowd on their feet, and has a nice outtro for the guys to exit to. "kick off your high-heeled sneakers, its party time"
Looking forward to N.H and especially Conn. next week.
...........Dave
Posted by: Larry, NJSeeing Carlock on the drums at PNC last night reminded me of little Ricky playing the drums for his dad at the Tropicana on I love Lucy!I am so fucking jealous of that kids playing.He looked like it wasnt even hard to do but holy shit could he play.Just great,the whole show.Its wierd to see a kid up there with all the oldtimers but hes as good as any if not better.
Posted by: FREAKO, St.louisIm America we dont mince words, we simply say " You are a moron".
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliEn countri los soldados atacaron a toda la gente que escucha a Ron Fagen, MIRA ADIOS. Don Carlos say the chords in la mejor C tiene las tonales C,E, B and G. Barna smuggle the tapes in her *colacha* and we make password to bring them to the peepil: BLACK COW NASDAQ DOW GAUCHO WOW MR. CHOW. Soldados only permit musica de "George Benson" in this month:
"I believe that children are the future
Teach them well etc."
whereupon Don Carlos say "I believe there is no future in this fucked up cuntri." Mala! Soldiers put his dumb ass in the carcel. Sick Fruity Bitches contiue to estudia RON FAGEN MUSIC like transposing the melody, inverting the intervals, placing the melody in retrograde, y augmenting the note values como "Royal Scom." Make me feel so beatous, like City of St. John!
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyMi Freako - non mi dir que Meali est sucko! Never in mi vita trova funny hah hah like Meali. He iz dee sheeet, can smell? Even when his wif Barna no come to dis Amerika wit bonga banga fluffies and almost drownded, he keep pumpin da Steeli. How dare you, beeeaatch!
The new Sick Fruity Bitches album available now on Chicky-boom records. Got about as much publicity as EMG.
Posted by: freako, st.louisMeal Reviewer,
That maybe the worst/dumbest post I have ever read.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliEn mi Countri we have tabacca, we have xmas tree farm, we have J. Lo, we no have 'Zellie' (dios!), we no have no tenemos STILLI DAN EXIT 75 GARDEN STATE PARKWAY we get lost like loco mo's on New Yerzy, we Cali boys (en mi countri we have Beach Boy). A hip, hop, hippity bop. Sick Fruity Bitches *incorporating* la rap en nuestra musica more and more. En mi countri "Maricon Joe" make the WINDFLY tapes to give to peepil becio he thinkin he get the Goodbye Look from little boy he grab his bunny bun bun in el supermercado! The policia choke mi popps with STILLI tape in throat. Mi moms c
Posted by: thefez98, BostonHey folks, great show Saturday night at GREAT WOODS!!!
Here's a link to the review just printed in the Boston Globe Monday morning...
http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2003/08/18/steely_dan_still_reels_in_the_ears
Posted by: les, new yorkpnc arts review
donald continually uses his ritz cracker joke during "hey nineteen". something he did on y2k tour, that was shockingly bad
donald in rare form, very energetic, very into it..
the girls are unreal, always smiling, very delicious
walter very bearable
harrington and carlock superb
josie pag nineteen babylon and charlemage should be tossed, albeit great songs, we could use pixeleen and greenbook et. al, instead of that "greatest hits" tour feeling
they are still, without a doubt, the best thing thats happened to music since the invention of the lyre, and sound spectacular--
see you at jones and roseland, and at pete fogel's bash at le bar bat..nice to meet you, pete
lester
Posted by: peakpros, NJJust got back from the PNC. (Show ened about 45 minutes ago.) In a nutshell: just a FANTASTIC SHOW. Even with the rain, which Donald apologized for, it was a great time.
Same set list that I saw in an earlier post with TOM the third song.
Donald was much more energietic than in previous years (96 and 00 shows.) Walter was really on top of his game also. His HD was very well received.
John H was just incredible. Maybe it was him being so close to home (West Long Brach) but I just sensed he was a little extra pumped up.
Babylon Sisters, Caves, Take Me Live, KC were highlights for me.
I can't wait for Borgata in 13 days. 3rd row and no rain to deal with.
Posted by: Bird Lives, TorontoRobWired,
That white Saxophone is very famous, but the story of how it came to be played that night is really a sad one..a reflection of how Bird's addiction and the depths he would sink to feed it hurt his personal reputation. He arrived in toronto without a horn, as the previous one gad been pawned for some heroin. Bird had a reputation for borrowing horns for gigs,and then needing a fix, slipping out the baclk door, pawning the horn and scoring some heroin. Knowing that no one in Toronto was prepared to let him use a horn of any value, so a local well known jazz player arranged for local music dealer to provide a horn..the white plastic one that now sits in a museum in Kansas! I prefer to not mention hat players name. Listening to the recording of that concert, it is astounding to hear the sound that Charlie Parker created with that cheap plastic horn. I highly recommend the book I mentioned in my previos post.
Posted by: harmolodic, RIHey all -- first post for me
I was at the Boston (actually Mansfield) show too, and something very strange happened to me sometime during the second set. I think it might have been somewhere between "Josie" and "Kid Charlamagne." I kinda blacked out or something... thinking to myself, 'they've done everything off AJA except "Deacon Blues" and "I Got The News,"' and then suddenly I hear the opening to "I Got the News," but before Donald starts singing, the band decided to throw in a bit of "Chameleon" by Herbie Hancock. Was I dreaming or what? The show seems like it happened so long ago... I was out on the lawn and not being very sociable, just sitting in the wet grass as the rain poured down on me. I didn't start moving around until the encore. Someone was smoking some weed, that was probably what messed me up. Must have been some strong stuff.
But yeah, overall I was very pleased. I saw them in the same venue in '96, and I was very happy that there was little overlap between those two shows. All the songs I was missing in '96 ("Babylon Sisters," "Black Cow," etc) were played this time around, and "Aja" was so perfect it sent shivers through my body. "Slang of Ages" ruled too. Too bad no "Pixeleen." That song cracks me up every time.
I also heard some major bitching on the way out. Someone was complaining about not enough material from the last two albums and way too much from AJA. "AJA sucks!" she said. HUH???? Whatever.
And as for the Great Woods reference, I do believe Donald was making a statement. I think he said "it's always great to be back playing in a place we like to call GREAT WOODS" and then made some comment about corporate sponsorship or something. Right on, Don!
Posted by: davis, BostonAnyone going to the NH show Tuesday night, advise if you are meeting at a local watering hole before the show, I may have an extra ticket 2nd row center stage.
Posted by: davis, bostonHoneybun,,
By the time they even think about a future tour, they will be 60...
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CTI am a long time fan of Steely Dan, but a short-time user of the pc. I am looking forward to sharing some of my insights and ideas with this highly intelligent group of music fans. My friend Zim and I were "speaking Dan" in college long before alot of you were even born! It's interesting to see the diversity of people at these shows(I've seen 18). Last night's show at GREATWOODS blew me away. I wanted to head down to New Jersey, but lack of sleep and another dismal weather forecast changed my mind. I will be catching a few more shows on this tour.One thing I do have to say on my introductory post, however--it's very disheartening to see these guys give their all and play their asses off for us for 2+ hours, and then to hear people complaining on the way out about what they DIDN'T play. Come on people-they have such a repertoire that lots of our favorites will undoubtedly be left off. I think I'll leave it up to their wisdom to know what is going to sound good with that particular group of musicians at that point in time. And yes-I'd be just tickled pink if they played "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star!" Nice to be here! Enjoy!!
Posted by: hoops, somewhere on the east coastJust checking by real quick on the way to Holmdel.
Mark and Bill;
Thanks for EVERYTHING!
Of all the shows this year I have seen, perhaps of all the SD shows I have seen ever, this was the best, by far. Everything was outstanding and, the legend again reasserts itself—Boston has the best audience!
SLANG ME!
hoops
Posted by: lucky henry, shantytownScotty (Dann) - thank you for the ear-candy from Cleveland. Heading out in about an hour to meet the maj; probably rolling into Holmdel in the '82 250D (blue/gray).
Thanks to everyone for the great reviews,
lh
Posted by: Honeybun, Anyone gonna be at the greenroom anytime soon? I'll hang about for a while.
Honeybun
Posted by: Honeybun, 'Pushing 60'..come on, that's a bit harsh! Don is 55 and Walt is a couple of years younger! They're not pensioners yet!
Honeybun
Posted by: davis, boston
Caves of Altimara, Dont take me alive and Black Cow were just incredible last night. I cant tell you how much I enjoyed Caves live. Again Walter on Haitian was OK, nothing spectacular, but entertaining none the less. I mentioned it earlier, they have to do something about that FM as the last song, such a buzz kill. I hope everyone ouyt there apprciates this tour, because I have a feeling this could be it folks, These guys are pushing 60...
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, TourGuides R USBoston Rag!...Thanks for the update on the show and on your Danfest...Wish I could have been there...Nice job on getting the "Slang Me" shirt up to WB!...You're so right about the critics and the "nostalgia" act references...I remember a reviewer from like 10 years ago who wrote something to the effect of "when the music is this timeless, the word "nostalgia" does not apply"...That's more on the money now than ever...I'm on my way out the door, heading up to LA to act as official greeter for Scotty and Fanofdan, our touring mates from Australia!...The Preztel Logic Band (SteveeDan and friends) are playing tonight at The Baked Potato in North Hollywood at 8:30...LA-area Danimals are strongly encouraged to attend!...Bring on Jones Beach!...SOH
Posted by: Big Fan, one more thingDonald made repeated refrences to Greatwoods much to the delite of the fans - not the current correcy name of Tweeter center - an anti commercialism staement perhaps?
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at lastJust got back from Boston. I took some notes that I’ll share here:
1. First, thanks to Mark and Bill for putting together the Danfest. The shirts were the highlight of the day! Getting a place to meet and eat is fantastic!
2.
3. When I got a beer inside the venue – they card you. You have to take your driver’s license out of the wallet. No problem. The vendor remarked how much nicer the people were tonight than last night. I asked who was play? It was Ozzie – no comment. Hoops it’s true I did accidentally sink a well into the fountain of youth perhaps that is why I was carded.
4. I’ve really disappointed in the concert reports that no mention of what the choir was wearing – I’ll fix that over the next few weeks. Last night they wore black spandex slacks with red tops. Carolyn’s has red sequins across the top at the bust line.
5. Since when did the Tweeter center add all of those rows on temporary seats in the front? I can tell you they are uncomfortable. I was so close to the stage I could touch the black curtains. Too close actually . I could hear Don sing before it came out of the speakers.
6. Tremendously hot and muggy night. I wouldn’t have wanted to sit in those new seats they’ve added where the lawn used to be – outside – no cover. Passing thunderstorms about 20 minutes in.
7. Setlist:
Instrumental Overture
Aja
TOM
Godwhacker
Caves
Black Cow
Bab Sisters - and the sisters did shake it
Slang
Intros
Peg
Home at Last
Break
SD Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19 – they let the crowd sing much of it. Always a favorite in Boston! Did not sing Otis Reading
Haitian Divorce – Walter lead – OK I love this song, but truthfully this is the weak song in the setlist – the Steely Dammed played it better –they need Hank Easton on guitar with that mouth wa-wa effect ala Peter Frampton.
Things I miss the Most
Parker’s Band
Josie Keith Carlock drum solo – how old is he anyway – very nice.
Kid Charlemagne
Don’t Take Me Alive
Encore
My Old School
FM
Walter did let a Slang Me T-shirt from the Danfest be draped over his back at the end.
All in all a nice show – no question the crowd was not as enthusiastic as in 00 and 96 was probably the loudest crowd. Janelightning and Mr. Janelightning and I hooked up – can it have been 3 years since Le bar Bat? We talked about how it’s probably many of the same people – and we’re now 7 years older – hence the less raucous crowd.
We’ll see you all Tuesday in New Hampshire – Jane is working on a place to meet downtown – within walking distance. Not necessarily a Danfest, but a good starting off point.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Mansfield show/DanfestWhat a night! I've seen the band dozens of times in the past 10 years and last night was one of the best show I've ever seen. Walter's playing just keeps getting better and better. Donald's voice is top form! He seems to have this new found confidence in his singing and stage presence and he's letting it all hang out!!!
More details later but highlights for me were - Parker's Band, Caves of Altimira and Herington letting loose on Don't Take Me Alive. The stage projections really enhanced the show. The whole thing, the tightness of the band, the song selection, the lighting - just killer.
I mean is there a better or more vital American band on the scene today!?!? Critics that say it's a nostalgia show should be rounded up and dope slapped.
Had a great time at the 2003 Boston Danfest. Sponge Bill Griffin and I hosted the pary with help from Hoops and DJ Jack Tolman.
It was geat seeing the Salem girls - Karen and Christine, Al and JaneLightning, Karen and her husband, Big Fan, The Babylon Sisters and so many others. I'm sorry I didn't have much time to schmooze, I was working the music with Jack T.
It was nice to meet Dan fans from around the globe - Hans from Rotterdam, Kalvin from Wales and Shane Fitzgibbon from Ireland.
My favorite guest was The Fez Man, Paul Mahoney, who just might be the coolest man on the planet. He shows up at the Danfest in a limo wearing a white tuxedo and tails amd a white Steely Dan fez on top of his head. When he walked into Devon's he was like Moses parting the Red Sea. People ran to grab their cameras. It was wild.
The Highlight of the Day: Bill and I had 100 Slang Me t-shirts printed for the Danfest. Hoops took 5 shirts and broght them up to the stage during intermission at the show. The shirts made it backstage. At the end of the encore FM, one of the stagehands came out and draped what looked like a white towel on Walter's back. I said to myself, that's strange, is Walter doing a James Brown cape parody? And when he turned around with his back to the audience, it was THE FUCKING SLANG ME DANFEST SHIRT! Hoops, Bill and I roared with laughter and slapped high fives - Mission Accomplished!
Hoops, thanks for everything! You're the best!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoMassey Hall would be incredible, as a) it's a great venue, and b) you can easily wait by the stage door and meet the musicians. However, I highly doubt they will move the show there. It would cause too much ticket confusion. I just hope they reschedule it anywhere in Toronto, so I can see them finally.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonDavis- Yes, the Boston show was killer!! I agree about FM. Let's put in EMG instead. Yeah...that's the ticket.
Posted by: ed beatty, @home-but on the way to Jones BeachHi,
Semi-interesting statistical link regarding internet traffic at SD.COM
Ed
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Posted by: davis, boastonWhat can I say? Last nights show in Boston was incredible, I cant believe how good the sound and Donalds voice was. From Black Cow, to Caves of Altimara, it was quite a moving show for all dan fans. Keith Carlock may not be human. Only drwback was the encore, the get everyone up with My old school, the place goes nuts, then close our with FM? Kind of a buzz kill.. I am seenig them again Tuesday night, thank goodness, I cant wait.
Posted by: Grippa48, PNC N.J. Tonite Sunday Aug 17
Remember friends PNC lots open at 3pm, so come early have fun!
Posted by: Gus Mahler, Tristan: I'm with you!
Posted by: RobWired, 18th and VineHey, Bird Lives! You know about Massey Hall!? Well, of course you do; you're there in Toronto.
I have a vinyl release of the historic concert that was recorded there with Bird, Dizzy, Max Roach, Mingus ... The LP is called ''The Greatest Jazz Concert Ever.'' The cover shows the roof floating above the building with light streaming out of it.
Here in Kansas City, we have the plastic sax that Bird played that night only. It's in the American Jazz Museum in the Historic 18th & Vine District.
So, yeah, that would be cool: Steely Dan playing ''Parker's Band'' at Massey Hall.
Now if only they would play ''Groovin' High'' or ''Relaxin' at Camarillo,'' just to show thay could do it. What fun that would be!
Hey, and did anyone in Chicago catch the band quoting the opening to ''In the Midnight Hour'' during the introductions? They did it a couple of times, at least.
Then later, my girlfriend, having heard about Donald flubbing lines, asked me if he made a mistake during ''Hey Nineteen.'' I said no.
You see, instead of singing, ''That's 'Retha Franklin,'' he sang, ''That's Otis Redding.'' Although now that I think about it, maybe he should have sang, ''That's Wilson Pickett,'' considering the ''Midnight Hour'' qoutes.
Fagen was flub-free in the Windy City.
Posted by: Scotty & Fanofdan, Sydney International AirportG'Day folks,
Tried to get into the greenroom from this crap internet kiosk at the airport. No luck !
South & Steveedan, see you in about 20 hours !!
The Aussies are on their way so rev up your motor scooters and get out your hats and s !!
Scotty & Fanofdan
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Here at the Western WorldLike those too. They sort of personify the whole sordid,self-aggrandizing "scene" of what I interpret to be Southern California in much the same way that "Glamour Profession" expose the slick and somewhat fetid underbelly of the ca 70's Drug Culture,although the same prism seems to work in the Len Bias era as well. (Hollywood,I know your middle name!" What FASCINATES me MOST about SB Kids is the vocal "Vamp" behind the lyrics! At first blush,it SOUNDS like "Lost Wages", but as I kept listening to it,it SOUNDED as if one or 2 stanzas MAY INDEED be "Lots Wages!" I could "salt away" indefinitely about this,and it seems to work both ways!
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Speaking of lyrics, my favorite SD line of all is:
Show Biz Kids makin' movies of themselves, you know they don't give a fuck about anybody else.
From the best album, CTE.
Your thoughts?
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Through the SkylightOnce again,"The Masters" have "nailed it" in terms of prescience in terms of their recent lyrics,in "light of" the recent situation in the Northeast: "So let's 'switch off' ALL the lights.....!"
Need I say more?
Posted by: Shaun, BostonPete!!!!
You're the man!!!!
I'm coming to both shows at Roseland. My girl friend and another couple already have tickets. My friends sister and her boy friend might be coming to both shows as well. I'll know more on Monday. I'll email you then.
The pre and post parties sound like a blast! I knew you would come through! (again)
Can't wait!!
Posted by: Evan, Correction on last post... My extra tickets are for SATURDAY 9/13, not friday.
evan
Posted by: Evan, Hi. Long time lurker finally posts...
I have two extra tickets to the Friday Roseland show, which I'll sell at face value minus ticketmaster fees at $75 each. Can meet at show or before in Manhattan.
best,
evan
ebgtrade@hotmail.com
Posted by: Pete Fogel, NYCROSELAND Festivities!
Friday September 12
5:00pm - Pre Show gathering at the Novotel Hotel, 52nd St & Broadway (across the street from Roseland). The Novotel lobby bar is the best kept secret in NYC. Located on the 6th floor, the lobby bar has a huge outdoor terrace that wraps around the entire building with great views of Times Square and Roseland.... oh, and you're about 40 yards from the venue.
Post Show - Right after the show til 4:00am... Party for the Steely Dan band/crew and fans five blocks north (5 min. walk) of Roseland at Le Bar Bat with a special performance by Funk Filharmonik. This 14 piece funk/soul band is made up of Tower of Power alumni, including vocalists Tom Bowes and Brent Carter and all five horn players. We are expecting many special guests, including former Steely Dan session players.
Your Roseland ticket stub or just mentioning "Steely Dan" will get you discounted admission to the club ($10 instead or $15).
This should be a fun night, we're expecting a big crowd from all over the world...and the best part about it is that everything is within walking distance.
More details to be announced.
http://www.lebarbat.com
Saturday September 13 - TBA
**If anyone still needs tickets for either Roseland show, I purchased a block of tickets for each night for a group from England that had to cancel. I am selling floor tickets for face value ($75), you won't have to pay the ticketmaster fees. Email me if you are interested, I have 6 tickets available for each show.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI just thought I'd give my fairly short but thorough take on the '03 Tour.
Okay, so they're not perfect live. I don't want them to be perfect! Where's the fun in that? The set list is pretty good--it's energetic and fun. I'm not going to bitch and moan because they didn't whip out some obscure songs this time. Though Fire in the Hole, Turn That Heartbeat Over Again, or Doctor Wu WOULD have been nice to hear... ;) When I go to a concert, I want to hear some enjoyable music, and the setlist really catered to that. Peg may not be one of their best songs (okay, I really don't like Peg that much at all), but it goes over well live and will get your toes tapping.
My only complaint is there weren't enough songs off EMG. I would have rather seen Lunch With Gina than Parker's Band (definately not one of my favorite SD tunes) Gina would go over incredibly well live I would imagine.
Keith Carlock really is simply a great drummer whether live or in the studio. I hope Don and Walt make it a point to hang onto him for their stuff for as long as possible. John Herington's guitarwork is perfect for SD's style and he needs to stick around as well. The rest of the band is great, but those two were definately the standouts.
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoThe acoustics at the Molson Amphitheatre are beautiful, especially for a band like the Dan. A louder, more guitar-heavy band gets a little distorted, but that won't be the case. I saw 2 shows there last month: the Allman Brothers Band, and James Taylor. ABB was a bit loud and distored, but James Taylor was absolutely perfect. I was in the middle of the lawn, and I could hear every lyric perfectly, each individual backup singer, each horn player. It was incredible.
Posted by: Nice Guy, Toronto Acoustics??Hi,
Considering seeing Steely Dan on their new date here in Toronto.
My question is this: How are the acoustics?
I've seen SD twice--one of those times was in Cleveland (Cuyahoga Ampth?). I had good pavilion seats, but the acoustics were so bad I could barely make out what songs were being played.
Actually, I tend not to go to big rock concerts in general because of the consistently bad sound quality for a high price.
However, if the acoustics are OK in Toronto, I'll consider going.
Thanks for any info!
Posted by: DJ, Shi-townHey Scott from Minny,
"Parker's Band" makes mention of the sax in the lyrics. "Savoy Sides presents a new ________ sensation." Maybe that's what she heard?
Posted by: Bratfille, Just got back from TO last night after a self-imposed 5 hour Danfest on my car stereo.
What a disappointment in some ways. I was so pumped for this event, but I did get to laugh and play with my old HS friend (and her neighbourhood) while the lights were out. She just happened to know the venue marketing director who we constantly called for updates about the show(s). Whe threatened to get drunk and take advantage of her pool if it was cancelled.
I'm debating whether to cash in my ticket and go catch the NY state fair show instead. What do you think?
Posted by: Adam Black, NYC areaHello one and all. Just discovered this site--more fun than a pranymphic glider. Quick query re: tix prices. Currently tix for Jone Beach for Aug 22 and going for $110 and up for pretty good orch. seats, proportionate mark up on other seats (on Craigslist, for example) Demand, though, seems a little "soft"--and clearly is so for PNC for Sunday night? Any chance I'll be able to do better on show night? I know this is a crudely commerce-oriented post, hope its OK; I just don't make too much $$$ and really need to indulge with caution (Everyman must go...) Best to all. --AS
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Rome, ItalyBendy- bendster- bendini WOW great original thought that "OH SHIT" observation. Yes, absolutely, there are SO many "OH SHIT" lyrics which usually come at the close of verses, quatraines or couplets. Here's just one but I'm sure if we dug back to the begining of Dan, we'd find a buttload: "days really don't last forever - but it's gettin pretty damn close." Just when they start to reconcile themselves somehow, everything goes to shit. I love it. Bravo bravo.
DACW - I like your death motif even better than my addiction motif on Gina.
You guys are on now.
By the way, every newspaper here talks about how Americans were panicked by the blackout, that we're in crisis and paranoid. Asswipes. They really don't get how strong and centered we are. We're shaken, yes, but we're also stirred. Hell they believe every idiot conspiracy theory out there. And the Italians LIKE us! The world doesn't GET us at all, it's almost like trying to sell a total moron on Steely Dan.
Posted by: Laina, SLODACW That's an interesting interpretation of it...it does fit, tho.
Lainalove
Posted by: moray eel, ?I have a friend (a very tough critic) who had never seen the Dan live before. He saw the show at Pine Knob this week and he said it was awesome.
Sorry to hear about the problems in Toronto.
BTW, are any of the Danfests screening a rough cut of Stuck On You?
m.e.
Posted by: DACW, Paroxysmal or is it Paralyzing thoughts about Lunch With Gina
OK, Here’s the Deal…Classic Steely Dark Comedy
Gina = The Grim Reaper…a female spectre in this song
Lunch With Gina = Death
“That must be her again
She's leaning on my bell
That cold psychotic ring
The one I know so well”
My Ride’s Here, Warren…the hooded one is a callin’
“So I'm nailed to the floor in the no-option zone
There's about zero chance she'll give up and go home”
The Grim Reaper always gets her prey
“This endless afternoon”
I’m just growing old
“It started on the day I met her”
Young men don’t think about death.
Middle-aged men do.
“Lunch with Gina is forever”
Start thinking maggots here…
“She's coming 'round the corner”
Death is always around the corner…you never know when she’ll call
“Her body's just a blur”
There’s no escape
“I peel out like The Flash
It don't mean boo to her”
Love these lines…you can run, but you cannot hide. Nothing’s more scary than the Grim Reaper… no one could spook her…
“So I duck into Nino's -- she's barred from the place”
NiN, church…still working on this one
“The minute I walk out she's right in my face
She's got nothing but time”
The Grim Reaper is the ultimate stalker
“No use in trying to be clever
Lunch with Gina is forever”
Yes, a date with the Grim Reaper is forever
“Now I'm in my apartment
The blinds down the lights out
The phone rings God help me
There's nobody home”
You haven’t got a prayer
“I crouch on the carpet
Not breathing just being
Like meat on the bone”
If I just play dead here, maybe she’ll go away
“I'm in a cozy booth
Maybe my watch is fast”
I’m dead, but I don’t know it?
“Another Tanqueray
I'll wait 'til twenty past
I'm about to go postal when she waltzes in
I guess she's a knockout -- hey where have I been?”
Hey, why’s everything going white? Gina sure has fine bone structure
“The waiter never comes”
No shoes no service
“God knows the service could be better”
A funeral Service
“Lunch with Gina is forever
Coffee and a kiss”
The kiss of death
“Maybe later maybe never
Lunch with Gina is Forever”
What next? Anything? A pool of Margaritias? A Party Record? The Ultimate Question…
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - The power is (and has been) ON!Question:
Let's cut to the chase. Steely Dan is unquestionably head and shoulders beyond their so-called peers on the concert circuit this summer. Their music should offer something for everyone.
So, why are the boys still considered "esoteric", and why is their core fandom still considered a rather small contingent?
By the way, Lunch With Gina is, for whatever reason, (sometime the zen of SD cannot be translated into mere words) is fast becoming my fave tune on the CD. A good friend, who 2 years ago thought that the only song SD every produced was Rikki, is now a strong, if not rabid fan. We were listening to Gina, and during the passage of the song just before Don's synth solo, he said "Katie Lied". Several songs from the KL and Scam albums used a similar chord progression, a signature, and very satisfying trademark SD musical phrasing. Know what I'm talking about?
Posted by: Laina, grrrrrIs the Greenroom applet giving anyone else problems? It won't let me type anything in the chat field. *confused*
Laina
Posted by: Gretchen, not stacking cutouts at the StrandHope everyone is safe and well, and that power will be restored to all before the weekend is over.
KWAME CULTURE: You lucky devil, what I wouldn't have given to see my own little concert like you did. What was Don playing as far as jazz standards? I'd be interested. That in itself must have been the treat of a lifetime.
Posted by: Sylvain, MontrealJust arrived in Montreal from Toronto (600 km)one half hour ago. Been there two days, waiting for the Steely Dan concert with my 11 years old daughter. Scary days when you are with a child, waiting in the hotel, without food, all stores and restaurant were closed. And we learned that the concert is postponed. Well for my daughter and me, it was supposed to be the highlight of the summer. Now it is something a little bit sad. Montreal is too far away from Toronto to be back again: she will be at scholl, I will work again...
Maybe sometimes in the future...
Posted by: kwame culture, TORONTOLou Gehrig voiceover: "Today I consider myself to be...one of the luckiest men in the world."
Forgive the paraphrasing...but the quote applies to ME today.
I was the ONLY audience member at the soundcheck thursday afternoon when the power cut...the crew had JUST finished setting up all equipment and was waiting on the band...15 minutes later on stage walks on Mr.Bumphus...Mr.Baker...Mr. Carlock, Weiskopf and Jim Pugh.
Keith Carlock sets it off first with a monster warm up...i got the feeling he was practicing the opening to the entire 1st set...accompanied by either the guitar tech or Herington..guitarist was obscured by the side stage curtains...MAN OH MAN...Carlock is a mutha'...I was reeeeeeeeeeeally looking fwd to the gig...then six minutes into it.. ZAP!
The power/audio cuts out leaving the front of house techs in a fit..Exit Keith Carlock.
While the entire tour personnel...rush backstage to diagnose the situation...Ted Baker starts doin' a li'l sump'm on the Steinway...and who should walk in with his teal blue adidas but DF hisself'...he picks up the melodica and starts playing along wtih Ted..Walt joins in with Jim Pugh close behind...and before you know it...we got ourselves the mellowest of all soundcheck jams...it was incredibly serene 40 minutes...DF...playing out bars of jazz standard after jazz standard...on the melodica..complete with sax solos and of course the sweet piano sounds.... He even threw in 5 minutes of Josie with just him and Piano...I was in 7th heaven y'all.
Got to see Cindy and Cynthia as well...the backup vocalists...can you say fiiine?
WB came up on the scene towards the end of the jam/unplugged soundcheck...shot the shit with some of the tour personnel then headed backstage...where the mood was reminiscent of a war room...
The magnitude of the blackout began to filter through the venue...
The word was that if power wasn't restored by 6pm the gig would be off...There were many who suggested that Friday be the alternate date...too bad for Toronto...it was THE show all wanted to see...even the local roadies who do the load in load out...and NEVER watch shows.
waiting for the next one y'all...I'll NEVER forget the soundcheck for 1.
signed.
THE luckiest man in the world
Posted by: Boston Rag, No power problems here!Hoops - Looking forward to seeing you again. If you need anything before tomorrow, don't hesitate to call me.
Hope to see many NE Dandom friends too! We've even got Kalvin from across the pond in England coming in for the Danfest and concert.
The Boston Danfest Slang Me! t-shirts were ready today and they are very cool! Sponge Bill and I have got many requests for shirts from people out of state. We will try to set aside a bunch but the people who attend the Danfest will have top priority. (Except for Little Wild One - Don't worry Gail, yours are already safely put away.)
For those who have never been to Devon's the directions are below. It's kind of like a 60s diner, very bright and if you have kids in tow don't worry it's not like a sleazy bar. They serve beer and wine and the music will be ALL Steely Dan.
Swing by and chill before the show, have a late lunch or early dinner and schmooze.
Directions To Devon's Place:
from 495 N or S go to 95 N (exit 13a or b) take exit 7a (140 S - Mansfield) at 3rd light take right (106 Mansfield) go to 2nd light take right first drive way on left
From 95 N or S take exit 7a (140 S - Mansfield) at 3rd light take right (106 Mansfield) go to 2nd light take right first drive way on left
Here's more details:
http://home.comcast.net/~markdrinan/bosfest.html
Hope to see you tomorrow!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: DACW , blacked out on the tarmach: looks like most computers are flatlining in an ion grid...electrons frozen, no longer dancing 'til the dawn...
...hang in there - you all are showing fortitude...
I stand by my pre-season preduction: CUBS WILL WIN IT ALL (if they sit down Estes and go for the 4 man rotation)!!!
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleHoops:
Thanks for the kind words. As I stated earlier, I'm new to the board; if there is another Rose Darling in the Bluebook, I would most certainly go by another user name, out of respect. Please advise!
Posted by: hoops, bostonHoneybun:
I seem to be getting a lot less Danfan-related email today.
Headed for the Boston Rag in the morning. Can't wait. Hope Holmdel comes off without a hitch.
Thanks for the review Rose Darling (Seattle, not TX). As I have said before, it's amazing to consider that they are finally playing "Caves" live. What an amazingly long development this song has had. It was started in the late 60s/early 70s and here it is the 00's and getting played live.
Everytime I talk to someone who is experiencing Steely Dan live for the first time in the past few weeks is awed. They were casual listeners before, and now, on the strength of this band and the '03 shows, rather than the studio albums, they have become hard core fans. That says an amazing lot that Becker, Fagen and the band should be proud of.
jim
Posted by: Bird Lives, TorontoHoneybun, I am in Toronto,and we certainly are blacked out and STeely Danned out!!
THIS JUST IN
Now that I have power back, I can watch the news on the cursed TV. CITY TV just interviewed the General Manager of Ontario Place, and he stated that they don’t have anything confirmed they are hoping for an early September date. There is a 10-day break between the end of Leg 1 and the Start of Leg 2, so this looks like the window of opportunity. I sure hope you out of towners can all get back here, especially Per from Sweden! Hoops, clear your calendar and come north!
Posted by: Honeybun, Are the majority of the people from the board affected by the blackout?
Honeybun
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleOh, thank you Jaydee.
Hope your workload eases a bit and you're able to get to Dallas.
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandRose - lovely report, a 'joy to read', especially for us in Europe who are missing out on the tour. I booked tickets for Dallas but now looks like I won't make it due to work stuff. So I hope everyone keeps up those gig reports so we can at least try to imagine we're there with you !
Posted by: BLACKIE, MEMPHIS 1974, were u there?Hey, i dont know whether this is officially "out there" but just acquired a live audio of the guys in memphis'74, jeepers i can see why they shut up shop after this!, only joking really, it was nearly thirty years ago,but its fun to hear Donald asking for various forms of equipment to be turned up/down and the various guest vocalists.
I was just wondering if we still have anyone onboard from that era?
well thx for all the reviews/spoilers keep them comin and i hope you Canadians get to see the guys very soon.
cheers jeff blackie, wales uk (see u in memphis in september if its still standing)
Posted by: Bird Lives, TorontoVarious ramblings and thoughts on a hot and powerless day, with no chance to see and hear Steely Dan tonight herer in Toronto!
Last night the show was not cancelled until 6:30 PM, by which time I was already at the venue. I stayed and chatted with some people, one of whom claims to have spent a half hour backstage with DOnald and Walter at Jones Beach in the 90's. He claimed that he ate a meal with them..and made a point of mentioning that Doanld was weating kosher chicken.....does anyone know if Donald adheres to Kashruth? I find that a wonderful thought.
Well....at least I have seen them twice before! All things considered this is not too bad... there are some people in Toronto who are suffering real hardships, elderly and infirm cooped up in high rise buildings with no power, no water and a fridge full of spoiled food and medication. Sometimes we need a reminder as to how tenuous life can be.
While people have been incredible in helping each other out, and there have been no incidents of vandalism and hooliganism..I did see soemthin g disturbing this morning....,the only smashed window that I came across was at a Judaica store.. noe where else..and no other shops in that neighbourood...I would like to think it is a coincidence, however my instiuncts tell me that this is hate mongers taking advantage of the darkness.
My power came back on 20 minutes ago (4:20PM), and all indications are that it will not last, as we are now contending with rotating blackouts.
So... I am sure that we will see them again soon...however the good news is, that if it is in October we are probably looking at a different venue due to weather conditions...sooooo....considering how miserablea venue the Molson Amphitheatre is, there is a silver lining in the cloud. My suggestion is the venerable Massey Hall, home of what is arguably one of teh most famous Jazz performances of all time, 50 years ago in '53. On that night Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Charlie Mingus and Bud Powell performed on stage together.. the ONLY time they ever did. This concert was captured on tape by Max Roach, and the tapes were released on record by Roach and Mingus. Thisis actually a fascinating peice of Jazz history, which is told in an excellent new book called Quintet of the Year, by Geoffrey Hayden...I highly reccomend it. The synergy of Massey Hall for a Steely Dan performance is enhanced by the fact that they are playing Parkers Band on this tour..and finally that in the early 70's they were booked to play Massey Hall, however it was cancelled...rumour is due to issues with Customs, perhaps related to herbal medications used by the band members.
I hope that when the show is rescheduled, some of you will find your way up here, and be a part of a bigger and better inaugural Steely Dan CanFest!
Well thats it for now...stay cool and calm.....this is not over yet..and we must remain civil and considerate of one another.
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, enjoying Penko electrical appliances"Overpwer Lunatic Assemblage":
1. The entire city of Philadelphia is now using Penko Power instead of electricity.
2. Penko Power is not real electricity, it is something else entirely.
3. Penko Power is able to run ordinary electrical appliances, at least for a while.
4. Ordinary appliances will run better, faster, more efficiently on Penko than on A.C. After a while they will break down and never run again.
5. During the startup period, the Penko Power company was replacing appliances that had failed on Penko. Once they got going, they stopped doing this.
6. The presence of the Penko grid will cause various sorts of distortions and disruptions in the mental functioning of the local residents. We have seen all kinds of bizarre ideations and behaviors on our travels so far and no doubt many of these are caused by the Penko effect.
7. Penko is spreading. Since we first noticed it in Philadelphia, we have seen Penko lines and Penko power in use in all sorts of places.
8. People seem to have no idea what's going on.
9. Various strange Penko appliances are beginning to show up all over the country, particularly in the backstage areas of the venues where our concerts have taken place. Nobody is quite sure what these appliances are for, where they come from, or where to put them.
In a separate item, there are those who have come to the conclusion that Jasper Fforde has been masquerading as Donald Fagen at various weddings and bas mitzvahs.
Posted by: Rose Darling, SeattleWow, so sorry about the postponement of the Toronto show. At least they're not cancelling all together, but you know, DanFans do get "amped" for the shows, days and even weeks in advance, so it's a let down from all the energy, know what I mean?
I've only posted here once before (yesterday), but I thought I would relay my thoughts about my first Dan show in Portland August 1st.
Yes, I did opt out on the Gorge show (I had a prior commitment) and drove to Portland (my hometown) for the Keller Aud. show. When I orginally purchased my tickets in July they were still booked to play at the Portland Coliseum. My thought was "Well, okay, I'll just deal with the fact that the Coliseum is a s---hole of a place to see a show and my seat is pretty bad for $75.00" (3/4's way back and off the floor). But I had the dough to spend and it's been a 25 year dream to see these guys, so I went for it. So you all know what happened next (what a blessing) and my pretty bad seats at the Coliseum turned into really great seats at Keller (18th row center). I guess it helped a bit (seating wise) that I went solo to the show as opposed to two or more, I might have been back farther. Ummm, yup, I went alone, left the hubby and daughter at home and road-tripped.
As an aside here, my husband is a graduate of Berklee with an arranging degree, and he loves the Dan. In fact his senior piece (in '88) at Berklee was his arrangement of "My Old School" with a 16 piece band; he wrote out each chart for each instrument and stressed about it for months. He says that arranging his tough but it's unbelievably tough when you're dealing with a Steely Dan song; it's very complex. Anyway, he "aced" it and he still has all the charts. He doesn't go to shows because he has a nasty habit of dissecting the music when he hears it so it's not fun for him, he can't relax and enjoy the sounds.
When I arrived at Keller, there were about a thousand people looking confused as to where to go to get their tickets, but the lines went pretty quick and I didn't get checked for any audio/video/digital; I brought the digi camera with me and so glad I did. I sat next to a physician and his wife (quite lovely people), the doc kept track by writing each down each song and told me after the show that his son was in the service overseas and is also a huge SD fan, his intent was to e-mail his son the set list. Nice gesture I must say. Anyway the show was just marvelous, the band was tight, Don and Walt sounded in fine form. The sound was a bit muddy, but nothing to complain about. It seemed to get better with the second half of the show...but it may have been the beers. Loved the lights and video clipage, not sure what film they were showing during "Haitian Divorce" but I'll do some investigating. Showing the lyrics during the "Steely Dan Show" was hysterical and people around me were singing along. Looked as though everyone including SD were having a great time. Worth the 4 hour drive (traffic in Seattle is a mess) and the dough. Actually, GETTING the beers was the big challenge, too many thirsty fans and not enough help. One highlight among many, was when the girls (especially the ever-so-awesome Cynthia Calhoun) would shake their booties while singing the chorus, "Babylon Sisters, shake it!" It was so funny I just cracked-up and you could hear the guys in the audience yelling at the top of their lungs, YEAAAAAAA! After the tune, Walter said "You know, this has got to be the biggest horn-dog crowd we've played to thus far on the tour". Too, too funny. Don & Walt looked a bit suprised, the crowd was giving them standing o's after the first five or six songs, and I even thought I saw Walt raising his hands up and down as if to say "that's very nice but please, sit down folks". Can someone who went to the Portland show confirm??
Since I was a first timer and I didn't want to see any set lists from the previous shows (I wanted to be surpised), I ended up embarrasing myself my yelling "Holy S--T!!" when they went into the beginning of Caves. It wasn't loud enough for the crowd to hear, but it certainly startled the doc and his wife enough that they both looked at me suddenly as if I soiled myself. Jeez. I've gleaned from the posts here that Caves is one they've not done live or they've not done it for many years. After the show I headed to the merch table (interesting folks who work the merch, don't you think?? Um, emphasis on "interesting") and bought a shirt for myself and one for my sweet husband for letting me go away for the weekend. Then, with camera in hand, I headed right for the stage door outside. Immediately I found out that I had just missed Don & Walt (damn), but the rest of the band came out and I got great chatting and photo op time in with Tom Barney, Cynthia Calhoun, and the Leonhart kids, Carolyn and Michael. VERY, VERY nice, cordial and very generous with their time. I dunno, maybe they took more time with me because I didn't ask the ridiculous "Dick Clark" questions like "So where are you kids off to next?" We chatted mostly about Portland and the N.W., they asked why I couldn't make it to the Gorge show; and they wanted know about Powell's (In case you don't know, Powell's is an incredibly large new and used book store that you could easily spend days in). I'll be printing out the photos from the show (with mat and frame, of course) and proudly display them in my office. Am considering the Vegas show next month, anyone else going?
I hope I didn't bore anyone to tears here, I may have been a bit wordy, however, it helped to write all of this; it made me remember a few things that I had forgot.
Thanks everyone for your always interesting posts, they've been a joy to read.
Take care, and those of you back East suffering with the power outage, stay safe.
You may hear from me again someday.
Posted by: Touch of Tuesday Weld, home at lastJust got in from toronto, what started out to be a perfect day turned into a total nightmare. The only good news is that the show will be rescheduled and not canceled, so we'll go back, jack and do it again.
For the rest of of the day I'll be zooming on a couch somewhere.
Posted by: Touch of Tuesday Weld, home at lastJust got in from toronto, what started out to be a perfect day turned into a total nightmare. The only good news is that the show will be rescheduled and not canceled, so we'll go back, jack and do it again.
For the rest of of the day I'll be zooming on a couch somewhere.
Posted by: hoops, Wow! T-Mo has "Deacon Blues' as a ring tone for my Motorola cell phone. OK, it's not quite the same as the real thing, but it's the spirit that counts, hey?
Posted by: scott, minnesotaThought I'd relay an amusing anecdote from a post-show DanFest gathering in St. Paul.
We went around the table at a local alehouse and said which of the concert songs we liked the best. One woman, who absolutely loved the concert but was somewhat new to Steely Dan music said, "I don't know the name of the song, but the one that had saxophone in the lyrics."
My forehead frowned, and I said that I didn’t remember hearing “Deacon Blues” in the concert. Her boyfriend, a much more experienced Dan Fan, insisted that it had been part of the set list. I didn’t press it too much, since I knew there was no way I could have missed hearing one of my favorites and had not been on any set list from any concert since the start of the tour. I asked her if she was sure she heard “saxophone” in the lyrics in the concert that evening (I thought that perhaps they had played it in the car on the way to the show and it stayed with them), and she was positive. I let it go, but was slightly puzzled.
Later at the Chicago DanFest post party the next day I relayed this story to another Dan Fan and he knew immediately where the confusion lie – “Things I Miss the Most”
The Talk!
The Sax!
Scott
Posted by: Fife, torontoJust thought those of you looking for information on the toronto show. Its definately not on tonight and they are rescheduling the date, this information from the molson amphitheatre at 1.30 pm, friday.Ugggg!!!!
Posted by: JP, pdxToo bad, Toronto! Just rotten luck.
I've always heard them referred too as "passing" tones. They pass from one chord to another. An example would be the first four chords in the intro to Deacon Blues. The fifth in the opening maj7 becomes the aug5th in the min7#5. In the second two chords I'm not sure if the first passing tone is played or not, but if it were it wouldn't sound too bad. As implied, it'd be the sixth in the second maj7th (maj7add6?) becoming the dominant seventh in the second min7#5. Anybody know a site for fledgling theory geeks?
Way back in school we read a book on jazz improvisations (Coker?) that said solos should be 50% familiar and 50% surprise (oughta add 10% for surprising mistakes, but anyway…) I think the formula transfers well to the way Steely Dan compose, at least on some songs. A song starts with the blues, beautifully re-voiced, but blues, nonetheless. The familiar draws you in until the surprise comes as the turnaround and/or the chorus. Their bridges (the best bridges in songwriting today, imo) are almost always surprising. The first time thru might have me thinking wtf?, but after a few hearings I think “It was ever thus.”
Actually, the more I think about this, the less I think there’s ANY formula involved in SD songs. The chord changes and voicings appeal to the head, but those melodies go straight to the heart. I have no idea how they do it, but I know what I like!
And Bill… you’re a bad, bad man. Brilliant, but bad.
Posted by: Joey , " What do y'all think? "
I think I shall have Veal Marsala for lunch today with a glass of Cabernet ( any '99 Reserve will do ) ...........and you ?
Joey !
Posted by: grippa48, "Attention all shoppers!
Its cancellation day :("
Im feelimg for ya Toronto
Sorry about it.
Now im wondering about sunday nite. If the airports don't don't get on schedule by Sunday.....PNC may be in jeopardy sunday nite.
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoNo Dan tonight. FUCK!! Oh well. It could be worse. They are just postponing it, and not cancelling it. I got this info by calling Ticketmaster. They always have a little annoying message at the beginning that usually says what big shows are coming up, but this time it said that Steely Dan is postponed indefinitely, and that a new date would be announced next week.
I would say, "at least I wasn't trapped in an elevator", although I would gladly trade 12 hours in an elevator if it meant I could see Steely Dan tonight. It is my favourite band, and I've never seen them before. What do y'all think?
Posted by: SDWEBDRONE, status of Toronto show uncertain - initially thought postponed to tonight, now uncertain. Safest bet is to check with venue throughout day. pass it on please - thanx SDWeb
Posted by: hoops, chicagoWas looking at the Molson Amph. page—looks like an awesome venue to Steely Dan at. Wish I could be there. http://www.hob.com/venues/concerts/molsonamp/ Their logo looks sorta like the DTE Engergy Center Logo aka Pine Knob.
I was thinking it would be ironic if Pine Knob was called DTE Energy Center in 2000 since that was where the power blew out briefly on part of the amps at the SD show. Of course, now DTE is REALLY getting name recognition with the power outage.
My youngest nephew is singing "Lunch With 'Nemo'." Obviously, he likes the song and movie a lot.
Wondering what impact the power outage will have on flights this weekend.
hoops
Posted by: The Bending End, RIA technique I hear more than once on EMG is what I will dub the '"Oh, shit!" punchline.' This is where the listener or subject of the song is lyrically drawn into an apparently harmless place, but then a punchline depicts something more dire.
For example, in The Last Mall:
"Roll your cart back up the aisle
Kiss the checkout girls goodbye
Ride the ramp to the freeway
("Oh, shit") Beneath the blood orange sky"
...and in Green Book:
"The festive icons along the way
The boardwalk, the lovers, ("Oh, shit") the house on fire"
...and in Blues Beach:
"Grab Big Dog a blanket
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before ("Oh, shit") suddenly falling apart"
The Blues Beach lyric is, at first, reminiscent of Any Major Dude's "Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again." You might think the lyric will resolve itself in a similar manner, but, instead, it departs from Dude's reassuring resolution and stays true to the apocalyptic feel of EMG.
Posted by: Joey,
" Personally I think it is so exciting to be able to be at a Live Steely Dan show - and groove with the tunes. But I do sort of agree with .............................."
Amen to THAT ----- I only wish I could attend more shows .
Here's hoping they add a third leg in November and play some arenas in the MidWest . What better way to spend an evening than enjoying drinks / chiba with friends/family and going to a Dan Show -- Truly a gift from Heaven .
Joey !
Posted by: lisa, philadelphiaI'm unable to use my tickets for The sat Aug 23rd show at the tweeter center in Camden(just outside Philadelphia) The are section 100(right up front) Row c(3rd row). Please let me know if you are interested.
thanks.
Lisa
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghDonald discusses the "common tone" technique in his educational video with Warren Bernhardt, although I don't think he calls it that. It's also interesting to see him demonstrate that he voices unexpected chord changes to feel natural on the piano, i.e., the chorus of Black Friday comes to mind (don't think he did that one in the video).
>>The common tone is one note that two chords have in common. So while Fagen and the girls would be holding a note on a common tone, the band changed chords or even keys. It's a sweet sound, and it brings the audience with you -- even if you're not a musician and you don't know the name of the composing technique you're hearing.
Also, I think Larry Carlton has openly acknowledged that the basic chord progression of "Room 335" was borrowed from Peg. Don't think he gave D&W formal co-writer credit, and it's just a chord change, not a melodic idea. There's more of Peg in that song that there is of Song for My Father in Rikki, though.
I hate to hear people judge Walter's singing ability on Slang alone, since it was written as a near-spoken talking blues. When he stays in his range he does fine in my book. As to his guitar work, he has a distinctive style that works very well without being flashy - he can play some quick runs but they tend to be chromatic as opposed to the bop-influenced stuff Denny Dias used to do and some of the touring guitarists have done '93-present. He rarely plays rock or blues cliches, but he has a bag of "Walter licks" to draw on just as Garcia had his "Jerry licks" and other musicians have relied on their own trademarks. It was said of Keith Moon that he was "the best Keith Moon-style drummer in the world" and you could apply that to Walter as well.
Finally, I had an idea for rekindling media attention to EMG - we should all send the lyrics to Godwhacker to every religious extremist we can think of with expressions of outrage, and let the CD burnings begin! Plenty of free press to be had, and Reprise certainly ain't gonna pay for any more promotional efforts.
Posted by: RobWired, ''Kansas City born and growing ...''I'm back in the KC area after a great but very busy time in Chicago, and have only just found the time to post my thoughts on the United Center show Aug. 8.
First off, I'll say it was a three out of four stars concert.
''Aja'' was a good opener (after the ''Cubanzo Chant'' prelude). It seemed an odd choice at first; the song has such a laid-back opening. But it is like a little suite with its simple but interlocking instrumental parts. Also, it gives drummer Keith Carlock a good introduction to the crowd.
Carlock is a good fit for Steely Dan. He is not, however, a monster drummer; he is, however, a very good drummer on a monster kit. Jazz drummer Lewis Nash does a whole lot more with a whole lot less. Messrs. Becker and Fagen have opened the door for this seemingly apples-and-oranges critique, given that the opening bass line for ''Rikki Don't Lose That Number'' is from Horace Silver's ''Song for My Father'' and ''Gaucho'' owes its piano and sax opening to Keith Jarrett's '' 'Long As Your Living Yours.''
Guitarist Jon Herrington did a very good job of walking a fine line between note-for-note solos and adding his own smart variations without losing the crowd, who would have loved to hear the guitar parts the way the are on record.
The Dan, however, lost part of the crowd on ''The Caves of Altamira.'' That was the break song for three people from our row and a couple of people from the row across from us.
It could be said that Walter Becker is one of the most underrated guitarists of our time, but he's rated about where he should be. He's no virtuoso, but he makes good choices, especially over modal chord changes. Tasteful stuff.
And those chord changes were played a lot in a 3 over 2 feel. I never realized how much Steely Dan uses that syncopation until I heard the songs in concert. It is one of Becker and Fagen's trademark sounds.
''Babylon Sisters'' suffered from a murky sound on the verses. It was hard to tell where the chords were. But the girls -- it's not demeaning to call them ''girls,'' Becker said -- had fun moving to the ''You've got to shake it'' line. They also did a good job with ''Parker's Band,'' which is one of my favorites, even though Carlock played it straight, forgoing the distinctive snare part from ''Pretzel Logic.''
But before the band played its nod to Bird, Donald said they were going to play a song from ''Pretzel Logic.'' Well, that set up a very vocal expectation for ''Rikki Don't Lose That Number'' from the people around us. That, and one guy who also shouted, ''Do It Again.'' (Wrong album, dude.) So ''Parker's Band'' was a little bit of a letdown for some, especially following ''Haitian Divorce'' and ''Things I Miss the Most.''
When ''Things ...'' started, the guy next to me thought he recognized it as an oldie. When he realized he didn't know the song, it was break time for him.
As for Walter singing, well, he shouldn't because -- he can't. The kindest thing you could say about him is he's a ''vocal stylist.'' His delivery is more spoken than sung, and when he does sing, he covers up unsure pitches by sliding to them or just going into that speaking thing again.
Donald was in fine form. So much of the Dan's sound comes from him: vocals, melodies, chord progressions. That, and one of those trademark arrangement sounds: the common tone.
The common tone is one note that two chords have in common. So while Fagen and the girls would be holding a note on a common tone, the band changed chords or even keys. It's a sweet sound, and it brings the audience with you -- even if you're not a musician and you don't know the name of the composing technique you're hearing.
The unsung heroes of all of this are the members of the horn section. They, as much as anyone, are responsible for making the Steely Dan sound happen live.
One thing the Dan could do is balance the setlist better, keeping in mind that there are some in the audience -- like from this guestbook -- who know every album cut and some who only know the hits. For instance, they did make a good choice to go directly from ''Janie Runaway'' into ''Hey Nineteen.'' That recognizable guitar opening got the crowd going after a song some didn't know.
We had very good seats, aisle, Row A, Section 209, looking right at the stage. There were empty $85 seats in the section below us, though. Guess some people didn't want to pay that much to sit in back. And for those that did, they had the soundboard in their way. We couldn't tell if those seats were on risers, but having to look over the soundman would still be distracting.
The people on the lower level were definitely on their feet for the two-song encore. And the guy next to me yelled, ''That's where my father's from'' when the line about Gaudalajara came up during ''My Old School.'' Or, the next time around, ''I've been there!'' His wife stood up and started dancing. She was enjoying herself so much, no one seemed to mind, although the guy next to me good-naturedly would get her to sit down. Oh, and it's a good thing Donald sang, ''Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car!'' earlier in the show during ''Kid Charlemagne.'' That guy sitting next to me? Those were the lines he sang when the song started. And he sang 'em just like on the record.
I had never seen Steely Dan before, and the Chicago concert was a treat, even though the boys are no longer vital shapers of the music scene as they once were. Back in the day, a lot of musicians like Larry Carlton were putting out Steely Dan-flavored albums. Just listen to ''Room 335,'' which takes its name from the Gibson 335 guitar Carlton was playing. ''Peg,'' anyone?
Nonetheless, musical architects Becker and Fagen do a good job of constructing new songs, if not as memorable ones, from the building materials they can rely on.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Rome, Italyhey Suedave - thanks for reaffirming something I really appreciate about the Bluebook: there are lots of varying opinions posted here, yes, a lot by ole persnickety me, I'll cop to that, but generally everyone treats each other with deference and respect, so thanks to all of you really.
Now, for this morning's persnickety comment: musicians like the SD touring band are the top folks on their particular axes, there are NO flies on anybody up there, they are an elite group, they're Special Forces. Now apart from Don & Walt, most of these guys perform live gigs a couple hundred nights a year. There's a reason why Keith Carlock plays with that kind of command, the guy's in form, isn't it obvious? So strangely enough, D & W, being the superstar legends they are at this point, play farrr less live gigs than the other players and are at the higher risk for screwing up. And when they play the high profile venues in NY & LA, you can BET there are tons of pro musicians in the audience, many people that they've played with and employed, they said as much 3 years ago at the Universal Amphitheatre dates. Can you imagine the pressure to bring their best game to the field? It's huge. And they're not just playing three chord rock, this stuff is sophisticated s**t. Take all that and now you tell me if they're just up there doin loosey goosey summer party rock. No freakin way. It's about professional pride.
Posted by: suedave, here at the western worldLove to read so many opposite views on this board - it's what adds spice to life, yes? I'm somewhat surprised to see some of you so persnickity about perfection at a live concert. I've never understood how a performer could even stand being under all those lights - yikes. Now throw in the heat - and a doobie or two, it probably makes your mind just melt. Personally I think it is so exciting to be able to be at a Live Steely Dan show - and groove with the tunes. But I do sort of agree with Rajah about Parker's Band - it didn't work in that format for me but maybe it will next time I see 'em. I figure I'll at least be past the drooling stage at my 2nd show.
I went to a BBQ at a friends house shortly after EMG was released. After I put the CD on we were yakking and laughing and drinking tripical drinks unfortunately in the next room....I would have been happy to sit in front of the speakers and just listen. Anyway one of my friends blew me away when he said - sounds like Steely Dan alright! It was Slang of Ages, must have been the sax or the drugs.
JaneLightning - nice to see you delurk! Going to Roseland per chance? Say hi to Al.
Posted by: hoops, Thanks for the updates. Glad to hear the Toronto Show is rolling over to tomorrow night. Would be a shame if it had to wait or be cancelled, not to mention to tear down the set and bring it back if they couldn't have done it tomorrow.
Looking forward to Boston.
jim
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Posted by: Grippa48, NJMan I would be real bummed if i had tickets for the Toronto show tonite
Posted by: Chloe, Still in A/C in NCWow. I sure am thinking about all you folks in the Northeast US and Toronto. The scenes from NYC look horrendous! Here's hoping Don, Walt, and the rest of the gang are all staying nice and cool in Toronto, with some nice beverages of choice.
Blackout party in the Green later, kids?
Posted by: father william, Boulder, CoA Toronto based web site that I use at:
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Posted by: Rose Darling, Hi Everyone!
I'm new to the board, but I just went to cnn.com to catch some news and there's a major blackout in NYC, Cleveland, Detroit and most surprisingly...Toronto where SD is performing this evening. Any word about that show being cancelled, or is it too soon to tell? Am sure some of the fine folks who post here are also experiencing problems at this moment, hope all is well, and you'll soon have power.
Posted by: Not Encouraging about, TorontoI called Molson Amph. and the phone just rings.
Posted by: Connie, NO CAKC-
That was then, this is now - Jeff Baxter is a Republican defense analyst at the present moment.
I wonder if anyone calls him Skunk in congress.
Posted by: Joey,
The BLACKOUT hit Toronto too .......................
I hope the venue has a backup system or else no Dan tonight .
Shiver ...........................................
J.
Posted by: Kid Clean, Bright Lights-Big City
Hope all in the blackout, (is it still a blackout during daylight hours?), are well and unharmed. Good vibes out to those with tix for tonight's show, I hope you still get to see it.
One J. 'S.' Baxter seems a little full of himself in that interview, can anyone confirm or deny that?
KC
Posted by: Little Wild One, the lights are on hereMan! Scary shit...especially since many of us are headed for NYC next week.
And the Danizens in Toronto must feel really cursed. First SARS and now a black out! Damn!
Blackout party anyone?
Posted by: Big Fan, At home - AC working fineAlthough none of you can read this, hope all is well in NYC and TO. Good chance the concert won't happen tonight.
Posted by: Gretchen, work, alas but listening to AjaHEY RUSS-
Far be it for me to be a home wrecker, but that would be a dream come true........I think D is my soulmate.
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - thinking about soaking up some rays for onceA little pre concert interview from our friends up north. Question is the Sun or the Star the better newspaper in TO?
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1060684976027
Posted by: Grippa48, Rindy,
Sorry for the misunderstanding.....N.P.
Grippa48
Posted by: Hank, Jeff Baxter interview 1992
Question: What is your favorite Steely Dan piece? Doobie Brothers song?
JBaxter: My favorite Steely Dan piece would be Razor Boy or Charlie Freak, and Doobie Bros would be How Does The Fool Survive or, Neal's Fandango.
Question: What's Skunk Baxter's favorite guitar?
JBaxter: My own! It's a Roland GR 505. Made out of plexiglass. With Skunk-o-sonic pickups!
Question: What's the best way for a novice to learn about sequencing?
JBaxter: Number 1, to read the many periodicals dedicated to home and studio recordings. Such as Electronic Musician Mix Magazine is another, and Home Recording Magazine. Also, number 2, borrow someone's sequencing program and see if you like it. Ya gotta spend the time. If you find one you like, then just go out and buy it!
Question: Hey, did you go to Mt. Whitney high?
JBaxter: No I didn't. I went to Taft School in Watertown, Conn. I'm an ex-preppie!
Question: When you played with Steely Dan did you record any tracks live other than Bodhisattva?
JBaxter: We recorded every show we did on cassette. Bodhisattva was taken from a cassette.
Question: With as much as everyone longs for new Steely Dan music, why can't Becker, Fagen, yourself and the others get together to lay down some tracks? With Donald touring it seems like he's ready, or is he?
JBaxter: Good question! You never know, anything's possible!
Question: Hi Jeff! I'm curious to know how you feel about today's music.
JBaxter: I think on the good side the music seems to be much less produced, much simpler, more basic, and more accessible. It has a raw feel to it that I really enjoy. On the bad side, I think there are too many musicians who think that all they need is hair extensions and some nice close from Melrose Avenue. They expect stardom and instant respect. Maybe they should think about it less as a career and more as a reason to live.
Question: Jeff - Why hasn't Steely Dan ever toured?
JBaxter: Steely Dan toured for almost 3 years, we played concerts in places like Portland Oregon, LA, Boston, Chicago and Eastern Texas, among other places. We even played the Rainbow in London.
Question: Do you keep in touch with the members of Ultimate Spinach?
JBaxter: I talk to the dummer occasionally. Err -drummer Russ Levine is his name, and he is a producer at NBC television.
Question: What was your basis to quit Steely Dan & go to the Doobies?
JBaxter: I felt that the direction that Steely Dan was headed was much more of a studio and not live-oriented in concept. I think Walter and Donald wanted to carry the studio concept to its "nth" degree. I joined the Doobie Bros because I felt that there was an incredible amount of raw talent and had a bit of a vision of what that band might become. When I asked Michael McDonald to join the Doobie Bros, I felt that vision turn into a reality. What do you think?
Posted by: Rindy, Grippa,
I was not criticizing you - you misread my post, or where the emphasis on "suck" was
I was saying that like you, I was disappointed in how Ticketbastard could put better tix on sale at the very end after us hardcore fans had already purchased ours
Sorry if you felt slighed by my post
Hope to see you & other metro area fans at PNC this Sun.
-Rindy
Posted by: Kay Ryan, You're the King of the World ..... so far as we know....
Hoops, we are indebted to you for getting us started and pumping up our enthusiasm for the concert. You're responsible for all of us meeting each other -- which we really grooved on, as everyone took an instant liking to everyone else, and we laughed and played until about 2 am at some joint after the concert.
We're so sorry that you couldn't make it to Cleveland, and we do hope to try to meet you again, Dude. There WILL be another time.......
Hey, if you ever decide to come to the Land of Cleve again, be sure to email us before you come, so somebody can put you up. OK? OK.
Yours in Dandom,
Kay Ryan
Posted by: davis, BostonRazor Boy
Did say Seat Numbers, but you are right tough angle.. I have sat in Row B and F in section 2 before, and the sounds wasnt good that close. I rememebr watching Walter strum his guitar and I would hear the note for 2 seconds by the time it got to me. Converesly, I sat in the VIP seats in 2000 TvN and the sounds was amazing.. Sound is more important to me than being close.
Posted by: Russ, hey Grettchen,
Keep it up, your lusting for Don F. online may yet pay off and get him to dump the Mrs.. it wouldn't be the first time something like that happpened to our boys! 8-)
Posted by: Grippa48, Rindy,
Thanks for the compliment! Geeez I was just trying to help.
I waited on line for tickets at the PNC box office for over 3 hours the day they went onsale to get the tickets I got which are about the same great seating location as the ones I was referring to. But im not pissed......I was just trying to get info for someone to get some good seats. Im just to help another danfan that wants tickets.
Just trying to help....Sorry!
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at LastRindy...regarding the prices...they are pricey!
It is like you say...~$35 for a T shirt....~$30 for a hat...$50+ for a sweatshirt...on up!
Nothing good is free I guess...(he coyley says as he takes another swig of his free stainless steel 2003 tour Steely Dan coffee mug...)
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Davis: I'm curious as to what seat did ticketbastard spit out at you. Being from the area, I'm sure your familiar with the Tweeter ctr., A sec.3 row AA in the high 30's or 40's is way too far off on the "wing" and the view as well as the sound usually suck. I like your row K, front/center is nice, we will be in sec. 1 row G. with only a couple of small rows in front of us I'm pumped and have never been down this close at this venue.
Dave: What do mean by the "Boston Rag is from NY"?
2 days and counting!
Posted by: Rindy, Gearing Up For PNC"Steely Dan.com is posting the NEW tour merchandise. But, sadly it is not for sale."
For those of you have been to shows on this tour, what have the prices been like for these goodies?
I think I paid 30 or 35 for a t-shirt on last tour...
-Rindy
Posted by: Rindy, "I went on Ticketmaster this morning and saw there were some great seats availiable for the PNC concert in N.J. sunday nite. Thats strange, because for weeks they only had 'nose bleeder" seats left. Now why all of a sudden they have great seats availiable....ones in the front section. Go check and see if anyone is interested.
Very strange....very strange."
Yes, you're right, Grippa
I noticed a similar thing w/PNC on the last tour
I think the explanation is that certain seats are held for VIPs or for AMEX Gold Card holders and these are held till right before the concert and then they're put on general sale at that point.
It basically sucks - like you, these are much better than the seats I bought through ticket******* on the day they went on sale.
-Rindy
Posted by: davis, BostonJust for shitz and giggles I went to ticketmaster today to see if I could still get tix for Mansfield Ma on Saturday.. Much to my surprise, not only were seats available but it came up with Section 3 Row AA, Pretty damn good for 2 days before the show I was shocked. Too bad i payed top dollar through an intermediary to sit Section 2 row K... Anyway, plently left if you guys are still looking.
Posted by: RCray, NYCSteely Dan.com is posting the NEW tour merchandise. But, sadly it is not for sale.
Posted by: Gretchen, pulling my hair outHelp!! Some of us were not cut out for the corporate world! 16 years of this is taking it's toll. Everything must go or I will have to! God, I hate middle aged yuppies. The only think keeping me somewhat sane is music and painting. Is there a fest before Roseland? How do I find out the details? I'm going Fri. the 12th. Hope to see some of my chat friends there. Hi, Grippa and Peter Q.
Posted by: Grippa48, N.J. The only fest I know in the area is in NYC....nothing in NJ. But keep on checking back things may change.
I went on Ticketmaster this morning and saw there were some great seats availiable for the PNC concert in N.J. sunday nite. Thats strange, because for weeks they only had 'nose bleeder" seats left. Now why all of a sudden they have great seats availiable....ones in the front section. Go check and see if anyone is interested.
Very strange....very strange.
Hope to see yas all there sunday,
Grippa48
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynNo fest at the PNC? Jones and Roseland I know about, I'd like to try to get to all four if I can. Although it looks like it'll be the same show 4 times. Anyone know if they rent golf carts yet to get up that crazed hill at the PNC??
Posted by: Honeybun, kinda cheerfull, a little younger...GRETCHEN: Sorry I keep missing you. Being in the UK I usually post when you guys are probably at work and when you guys are chatting i'm in bed. It sucks. I would love to be able to chat although I can't get the chatroom to work.
Honeybun
Posted by: Touch of Tuesday Weld, 45 minutes from TorontoWell...FINALLY...the big day is here. The anticipation is killing me. This will be my 4th SD concert and I'm just as excited as the 1st time in '93. The seats keep getting better each time, moved up from row 11 last tour to row 8 this time around. I won't rest until I finally snag the elusive front row and centre seats (a girl can dream.)
It's shaping up to be a perfect day, and this evening the gods will be smiling down on us (from the stage of the Molson Ampitheatre).
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - it's sunny Review of Clevland show:
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/106085387768850.xml
Sounds like almost idillic weather for Saturday in Boston!
Posted by: Gary, N.J.So I guess no one is organizing a dan fest before the PNC Bank gig on sunday.....huh? I did find out the parking lots open at 3pm on sunday in the afternoon incase anyone wants to come early.
Posted by: Mike B., baking in the land of famous potatoesAlthough our boys have sworn that they would not return to Annandale until Califonia tumbles into the sea, pehaps an invitation to perform in the much acclaimed, Frank Gehry designed Fisher Center for the Perform Arts would lure two of Bard's most illustrious alumni back to the campus for an intimate evening. I'd love to hear the follwing setlist:
Green Flower Street
Dr. Wu
Pearl of the Quarter
Barrytown
Fire in the Hole
What a shame about me
Rikki
Rose Darling
Things I Miss the Most
Swingtime
West of Hollywood
New Frontier
Green Book
Caves
Gaucho
Snowbound
Third World Man
Lunch with Gina
On the Dunes
The Nightfly
Any Major Dude
Home at last
Florida Room
Pretzel Logic
Maybe after resting a year or so following this tour, D. would consider resurrecting the NYRSR for such a show. We can always dream, can't we?
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyGood point Bendy - performance rushes by so fast and can be so nerve racking especially when you don't do it much or, like our boys, only every few years. It's a lot like being a professional athlete, you have to be in constant training to do your best. The ability to relax at the most demanding moment is crucial. And when you are at the center of everyone's attention, it's compounded. So if Walter misses the voicing on a chord or note, it's like, no big deal, most folks don't even notice. But when DF mangles a few words, it sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb. So maybe I've been a little hard on Donald and his presentation so far but, hey, it comes with the territory.
Posted by: The Bending End, RINY Daily News article reprinted in this morning's Providence Journal in anticipation of Saturday evening's Tweeter Center show: http://www.projo.com/music/content/projo_20030814_fagen.3c4e.html
Unfortunately, we can't make it to SD's appearance at the Tweeter Center this year, as we did for the Y2K tour. My wife and kids and I will be on a plane headed for North Dakota that evening. We will, however, be at Oakdale Sept. 10th.
It's sounding like everything is more finely tuned now. As has been mentioned before, maybe a new twist will be added for the second leg. Looking forward to it.
I mentioned a couple of months ago that I'd be playing Here At The Western World at a piano recital that both my son and I performed in last week. It went pretty well, but I must say [as essentially a non-musician] I can now more appreciate anyone who gets up in front of a crowd to play music. I was literally shaking during the first verse. It all went by so fast that I felt like maybe I had played it way too fast out of nervousness, but when we went home and watched what my wife had videotaped it seemed fine. Hats off to all performing musicians!
Bill
Posted by: Beerberian, @itaujourd'hui , pour le déjeuner Une prodigue enfoncer de Romarin & ail focaccia à thon , sucrée poivron , émaner oignon & à plat vantail persil
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyJesse & Monique - it's wonderful to hear my Euro neighbors reach the Bluebook. What you say Jesse is very insightful. Yes, come think of it, there are certain components to Steely Dan's music which are very simple, almost childlike, as in the intro to Blues Beach, which I think is avery humorous song on its face. Then, quick as a flash, the song blossom into multi-layered mess-terpiece, if you follow my meaning. Italia vi saluti.
Posted by: Jessy, Spain
Monique, I think as you that they are two extraordinary beings in the simplicity, are able to turn the habitual thing something very special, magical that transports to you through music.
Posted by: Jessy, Spain
Posted by: Monique, France
I liked much the interview to Steely in the taxi. We see much of his personality, know a little more them. They are unique.
Posted by: Monique, France
I liked much the interview to Steely in the taxi. We see much of his personality, Know a little more them. They are unique.
Posted by: LiveWire, In the gift shop"No I'm never gonna do it without my dung on." (or in, as the case may be... yuck!)
Toronto's Contraceptive Museum:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030813/wl_canada_afp/canada_museum_sex_030813145331
When this exhibit travels they could call it "Where the rubber meets the road"
Posted by: bluprintblu, down on the bottomGretchen, most thanks for being concerned galpal....reference to 1st cut on Walter Becker's 11 tracks of whack....it's a good place...peace
Posted by: DACW , Gretchen: Cuban breeze, mandarin, yellow fever, green earring...Now we know where how their songs are inspired!!!
Posted by: angel, I don't have the CD near me, but "Shame" is one of the last 3 songs. It is in that area of the show, where they interview Pete Fogel. My memory says it is the 2nd to the last song, since they finish with "Pretzel Logic". Hope that helps.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, Actually,I have a short attention span....probably A.D.D. plus being a Gemini.
Posted by: Rindy, Big AppleI have the DVD of the PBS show - I'll have to re-watch it; don't remember seeing them perform "Shame"
I saw them perform WOH, but not GA on '00 tour
Anyone have any clue why they never play TAN live?
Would love to also here EMG live on current tour also - with Weiskopf wailing away on sax
-Rindy
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghKudos to ElSupremo and Andy Metzger for the incredible treasure trove of info on that complete track list! It's easy to get lost in the lyrics to the many unreleased songs. Some of you may have heard these, and I know they would be illicit to circulate, but just reading the lyrics to them gives us some insight into EMG and other final official products.
For instance, "Were You Blind That Day," an early draft of "Third World Man," is downright chilling in our current international climate.
The lyrics of WB's "Ghost of Hipness Past" and "Sanpaiku" have some echoes of Slang of Ages. The latter also reminds me of "Teahouse on the Tracks." Not sure which came first. D&W trade ideas all over the place and, for instance, the sci-fi theme of "Hat Too Flat" would have fit neatly into Kama.
Some of the lyric transcriptions are probably open to debate, such as Wet Side Story.
There are a whole lot of titles that represent mysterious songs written in their ABC contract writer days of 1968-71. I remember reading an interview where they claim they would make up titles of non-existent songs and send them in for a quick, paltry paycheck, so I suspect some of these titles may not actually have ever been attached to songs.
Plenty of fodder here for us fanatics. Highly recommended.
Posted by: lyke wise, Mr. Fagen's voice is every bit as good as it was 25 years ago. The concert at Blossum was out of this world. Carlock played like he was from another planet.
Love Becker on the cd but he was uninspiring live.( too bad )
Best song was Aja. With My Old School a close second.
Posted by: Dave, againHere's a nice piece of trivia Zim. "Boston Rag" takes place in New York.
Posted by: Dave, "Gaslighting" was played quite often early on on the 2000 tour. WOH was also.
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KYJust a reminder:
You can check if ANY song has been played live since 74 on my track guide at:
http://www.andymetzger.com/album/complete/
Haven't updated for the 03 tour yet. Still gathering data. ;-)
El Sup
Posted by: DAVIS, BOSTONRindy
They did play "Shame" at PBS Live,, good stuff..
Do I make you "Randy" Rindy?
Posted by: Rindy, Big AppleI don't think they've ever played "Shame About Me" live, at least that I can recall
"Gaslighting" was played on PBS special and possibly at a few dates on Y2K tour, but I'm not sure of this
-Rindy
Posted by: dantastic, Dayton, Oh.Denton...I was at the Columbus show on the 9th. From what I've read
here, the set list was the same as in Chicago. Perhaps your wife wanted to hear 'Shame about me' and 'Gaslighting Abbey' so much that
she thought they played them. I kind of felt the same way about 'Show
biz kids' and 'Pretzel logic'. Alas, they did not play any of those
songs...still a spectacular show!!!
Posted by: Scott P. "Steely" Dann, Cleveland, OHI forgot one cool thing about last night's Cleveland show.
Just as Josie was kicking into high gear, those of us on the lawn were treated to the most beautiful red-orange full moon coming out of the sky.
Not as eerie as when the power went out during Chain Lightning an the NY R&S Review, but pretty cool nonetheless.
SD just has a way of setting the tone.
Posted by: Zim, Prepping for our roadtrip up to the Tweeter Center in Mansfield, MA and wondering if anyone could clue me into a good site to print out some Dan trivia for our entertainment? On second thought, perhaps we should save the trivia to use as a drinking game once we arrive. Hmmmm...anyway, your help would be appreciated! Thanks
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliBarna hide mi computadora cuando I see pic de "Zellie" en STEELO DONFAGEN website. Holy smokestack! What lungs this girl hav! Jesus Cristo de Dios! Barna say yo no puedo mirar nada mas!
Posted by: Faitfull Reader, ...Gretchen knows her stuff about drinking:
There are two types of Cuban breeze's listed in bartenders manuals:
#1:
http://www.deathring.us/drinking/mixed/cocktails/content/cubanbreeze1.html?PHPSESSID=7e15f96d04d30eae7c5db49dbccf39c8
#2:
http://www.deathring.us/drinking/mixed/cocktails/content/cubanbreeze2.html
Perhaps St. Al will have to update his cookbook and add the food and drink from the solo albums as well
Posted by: Gretchen, mixing up Cuban Breezes, at the ManateeTO HEY MIKE:
This is the Gretchen version of a Cuban Breeze, however there is no rum, as it does not mix well with high temps and humidity, and I'm not particularly a rum fan:
1. Absolut Mandarin (as much as you please)
2. 1 part lemonade
3. 1 part limeade
4. shake well with ice
5. twist of lemon, or lime
Omit the lime juice only and it becomes a "Yellow Fever".
Omit the lemonade only and it's a "Green Earrings."
You can use rum if you so desire, but it won't be authentic.
TO BEAUTIFUL HOUSEWIFE:
When did you witness mrs. being mean to Don?
I'm astounded that Donald would be treated that way. I'ts very sad, too, because he's such a shy, sensitive creative type, and seems like a nice man. He needs a little nurturing. How anyone could be abusive to him is puzzling and horrifying. I just love him. He needs a Cuban breeze and some good conversation.
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at LastHey HeyMike!
Last recollection was that a Cuban Breeze was basically a rum and coke, with a lime twist? But I post that for my own education...so I too can be corrected and know for sure going forward.
I am going to see Bruce on Saturday in SF. I was wondering if anyone else out there was doing the Dan Springsteen tour! Have fun!
WooHoo!
Posted by: Ilyse , Chicago/"Peg" blaring in "Nip Tuck"!!!Nip-Tuck (FX TV) -- Agreeably, a rather horrendous show, but last night there was a party scene and "Peg" was blaring -- loud and clear -- I believe almost the entire song and you could clearly hear every word.
Posted by: Ilyse , Chicao/Peg blaring in "Nip Tuck"!!!Nip-Tuck (FX TV) -- Agreeably, a rather horrendous show, but last night there was a party scene and "Peg" was blaring -- loud and clear -- I believe almost the entire song and you could clearly hear every word.
Posted by: Joey, " Do you know anyone with a short attention span who loves SD? "
Priceless Rajah .
Posted by: HeyMike, approaching the standDoes anyone know how to make a cuban breeze?? Gretchen?? I'm having a small gathering this weekend and I wanted to serve some up??
Going to see Springsteen tonight at Sox park BTW.
HeyMike
Posted by: Scott P. "Steely" Dann, Cleveland, OHRobin already gave you a basic rundown on the show. I agree with everything she said, especially Herrington. He was amazing. Some other highlights for me:
Opening with Aja was incredible. I never thought it would translate that well live. I remember kind of a "half-baked" version of this to start 1993.
This was definately a Scam-Aja-Gaucho review, as only two songs were from earlier. Kind of a nice contrast from the equally enjoyable Y2K show which was much more Katy Lied, Countdown and Can't Buy a thrill.
Black Cow was unbelievably good, as were the standards from every SD show I've seen, (Kid Charlemagne, Josie, FM, and My Old School). Babylon Sisters really shook it, also.
Of the new stuff, Slang of Ages was the highlight.
I've been to every tour from NY R&S Review with the exception of 1994. This is probably the best I've seen Walter. Really getting into the vocals.
Donald's voice was right on the money, his only lyrical miss was the aforementioned Hey 19.
I thought Home at Last was the one weak moment. There was just one note in the chorus, that sounded like a CD skipping. It was probably just different from my studio expectations.
I thought Mr. Parker's Band was great, after reading the posts I was surprized.
I took my daughters and my six-year-old learned how to answer the age old question: Is there gas in the car? I take pride in exposing them to the important things in life, and Steely Dann is definately one of them.
Scott P. "Steely" Dann
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - maybe it will stop raining tomorrowReview of Cleveland Concert:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/6521291.htm
De La Soul using Steely Dan riffs live:
http://www.richmond.com/ae/output.cfm?ID=2604746&vertical=ae
Looks like the weather for Saturday at the Tweeter center is going to be perfect - in fact I see two weeks of no rain - no way! SD brings the good weather east with them.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyThank you Robin, excellent commentary, made me feel like I was there.
Posted by: Robin (DartWoman), NE OhioI'm still riding on the euphoric state after last night's show.
Apologies in advance for any typos I might not catch. I'm a bit sleep-deprived this morning.
The Blossom Steely Dan Show '03 began with a friendly and fun gathering of like-minded individuals at the bar in Blossom's restaurant. So good to know I am not the only nut out there! What great people we met -- I hope we can reconnect in the future! It was a beautiful night, so we sat outside and took in the atmosphere. Even the menu items now sported Dan song titles. Could it get better? Yes.
I won't reiterate the setlist, just add my own comments.
Donald sounded great, and seemed well in command of his own performance as well as of the orchestra. Yes, he started to come in a line early with "Sweet things" on Hey 19. But he caught himself and cracked a smile immediately. Perhaps the audience singing along caught him off-guard. I enjoyed watching him. He dedicated TIMTM to his family and made a point of mentioning that they live in Cleveland.
Walter gets this look on his face when he is playing -- it's almost like he goes to another place. His guitar is the first thing I remember about Steely Dan; the first thing that caught my ear, hooked it and reeled me in for good. He was at the top of his game last night. He looked like he was enjoying singing and crowd responded in kind. No mass exodus in my section. Walter has declared Blossom as a "groovalicious" venue. I assume we'll start seeing that in their advertising soon.
Jon Herington seems to nail every solo he does. He is such an incredible player with such a mastery of his guitar.
The horns were awesome, of course. There is so much talent there and they have their individual pieces fitting together so well that it leaves me feeling that I've just heard the best there is. Cornelius is so laid back he is almost the antithesis of Keith Carlock. Can anyone get so many different sounds out of a trombone as Jim Pugh? I know I never heard them if there is anyone.
Keith Carlock -- he did not disappoint or leave me feeling that there is the least bit of hype in the descriptions of his playing. Such energy, perfect timing, it seems like he must have additional arms and legs in order to hit so many drums or cymbals. I hope they have worked out a long-term deal!
Tom Barney was located where I could see him this time. He lays down those bass notes and just cruises. He is such a fantastic player for the band.
Ted Baker is incredible on the keyboards. He just moves from instrument to instrument and makes it his own.
Donald and Walter both referred to "The Girls" as Zellie, Flex and Callie in different parts of the show. We already know they can sing and are so beautiful, but they all have such energy. Cynthia often has this look like she's just seen someone in the audience she knows. She breaks into a huge smile and waves.
When they weren't playing, the various players seemed to be truly enjoying the show. It didn't seem like they were there doing their respective jobs, but felt like they were a group of great musicians who had gotten together to perform for their pleasure and the audience's. A lot of smiles, a lot of grooving to the music.
Pete Fogel in the front row snapping pictures. I had to rub my eyes to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
The crowd was very much into the show. I heard singing from the audience several times. In addition to my own, that is. We had great people sitting near us and that just added to the total wonderful experience.
A magical night for me. Teh only bad thing was that Hoops didn't make the gathering. I hope your car's fixed and you made it back home safely. Hopefully next time, Hoops!
Posted by: Ardahl, DenmarkConcerning the 4:40 "fart"-sound in Godwhacker. The same sound is on Blues Beach at 0:18..... Sorry if i ruin your listening experience.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyRikki - thank you for your comments on Don's voice, glad he sounded great last night in my old hometown. Clean and crisp, yes, that's our Donald at his best. I'm hoping he turns it on now that he's a few weeks into this tour. I've seen Donald click into a place where he just carries the damn band, slammin the Rhodes like it's a trap set and using that energy to push off on and wail out. C'mon Donny, we're rootin for ya.
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, still groovin' in the suburbsAnnouncement of concern to all multi-show attendees:
We know you want to show your support for the Steely Dan Bandwagon 2003, but it's not like these guys ASKED you to follow them around from one city to the next. Do you think they're doing this for your convenience? The songs are difficult enough to play without having to inject some "variety" for your pleasure. Just enjoy the privelege you have (had) of being in the same room again with the world's most talented living songwriters! Jeesh!
Announcement to wistful women who lust after Donald:
Don't get all misty-eyed about the Lib-monster's being there for Donald and you're not. The times I've seen her, she's been lude, crude and abrasive - to Donald!
Posted by: Anne, MiamiYou continue singing those histories. They are so sincere
Posted by: Anne, MiamiYou continue singing those histories. They are so sincere
Posted by: Anne, MiamiYou continue singing those histories. They are so sincere.
Posted by: John, New York
I'm European. I didn't Know your music, but now that I Know it I can't live without listening to your music.
Posted by: steelydoubt, wilst scouring a phish satlist archive i found this
"Saturday, May 14, 1988
SpringFest, Goddard College, Plainfield, VT
Fire, I Didn't Know, Halley's Comet > Light Up or Leave Me Alone, You Enjoy Myself, The Lizards, Big Black Furry Creature from Mars, Jesus Just Left Chicago, Fluffhead, Alumni Blues, Take the 'A' Train
Show Notes: Fire was dedicated to Bobby Brown (Tim Rogers); JJLC subsequently featured Bobby on harmonica. Also "guesting" on the song was three year old Cameron McKinney, whom Trey announced was playing guitar. Halley's Comet and I Didn't Know featured Nancy Taube adding additional vocals; he also played drums on I Didn't Know. After Light Up, Trey introduced the crowd to Marley and sang to her both before and during YEM. BBFCFM was dedicated to Donald Fagen and Walter Becker of the band Steely Dan. Take the 'A' Train, which was preceded by HYHU teases, featured Carl Boyle on saxophone."
a plesant suprise, now i must find a copy of this and listen to it.
( http://www.mockingbirdfoundation.org/setlists/1988.html )
Posted by: angel, Rajah: The Michael and Fredo comment....2 points!
I agree with you. All artists go out and try to do their best, but reality hits and mistakes are sometimes made. Cut some slack here.
I remember seeing a tribute band that had a musical train wreck (the performer's words, not mine) on stage and I still loved it. Don't take it all too seriously.
My husband loves live television for the same reason. Anything can and will happen and you just roll with the punches and enjoy.
Posted by: Rikki, Just back from Blossom show. Talk of Don's voice failing is false. He sounded great. This is the best Steely Dan Orchestra that I've seen. Excellent players all around. Get tickets to future shows. You'll be glad you did.
Don and Walt. Keep writing and touring. It will keep you young. And do it together. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Posted by: Chip Boldt, Cuyahoga Falls, OhioJust got back from the show at Blossom in Cuyahoga Falls. Of all the shows I have seen since '93, this was the best. The boys were very tight and Donald's vocals strong and crisp and clear. The back-up singers are tremondous. The drummer Keith, was outstanding, especially on the drum solo.There was a nice mix of songs, especially ones not heard live before. Wpould have liked to hear a few from Donald's solo works but maybe next time. Fans going to future shows are in for an awesome show!
Chip
Posted by: oleander, counting daysDon--Please do. I'm ON that tip. And thanx; I was afraid to embarrass myself by mentioning your other book when I forgot the title....
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyAngelbaby - I'm very much looking forward to the Universal dates and grooving with all our wonderful and loyal LA Fandom, I love you guys cause we love the same thing. But wait a minute, a concert is where you show your live chops can be as great as your studio chops. That's what you are shooting for as a performer. Now maybe you fall short but you must NOT go into a concert with diminished expectations. Let's just nip this right here in the bud, a pro performer in any endeavor where people are leaving their houses, getting sitters, arranging schedules, driving and paying good money, trust me, feels an HUGE responsibility to be at his best and deliver as exciting and as technically perfect a performance as he possibly can. Crime-iny, it's a point of honor. No, I reject your idea that we should cut them slack, no way, as artists, SD ask a LOT of us in their recorded music. Do you know anyone with a short attention span who loves SD? I was out tonight at an outdoor jazz performance here in the mountains of Abruzzi and I got into a conversation with the band about SD. They are so well respected over here amongst musicians, it was quite a shock, one guy even pulled out the old story of how folks bring Dan records to the store where they buy their systems - something we've heard from Danfans for eons. C'mon people, Don & Walt raised the bar way up there decades ago, now don't ask me to accept anything less, don't let's downsize ourselves.
Now I have to go talk to Michael about Fredo, he's pissing me off and something has to be done.
Posted by: JaneLightning, Wakefield MABig Fan - Of course I still lurk. Hoops is THE definitive source!!! Watch for an e-mail from me.
Looking forward to renewing lots of old acquaintances SOON. See you all at the Boston show!
Posted by: angel, Rajah: I know what it is, the Corleone's are holding a gun to your head. ;-)
Were we at a similar concert? Man, Parker's Band Rocks!!!!!!!
Only thing I missed, was that 2nd drummer, but hey, Carlock can't do absolutely everything. He did a great job on it and the girls did just fine. It was a concert and people were there to have a GOOD TIME! This is not brain surgery. We (the Dan Fans) take ourselves and the music seriously, but not in a concert. That is the time to kick back and just enjoy the experience. The many levels of Dandom, all grooving to the music. Have another Cuban Breeze and chill out a hair.
I'll be at Universal on the first, maybe see ya there. :-)
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Abruzzi, ItalyHey Kid: I liked Parker's Band very much but Parker's Band is not a great SD song, it's a one groove pony with a strange little bridge that really isn't. It shakes and stirs and says nothing very much at all, it's a tip of the hat to a great musical giant but it has absolutely no story line or tension. It's a lot like The Steely Dan Show song in that it could be used to open the 2nd set while everyone is finding their way back to their seats. The girls shake their money-makers and it's good fun. It does not pack the punch of Dirty Work nor does it hold a similar place in the Fandom's hearts. Andats a fact. I will say this again and I suppose we can argue forever but the setlist is weak in places, great in places. They could and should have made it strong and compelling throughout. Razor Boy, which I know they rehearsed, THAT would have been the kicker for our trusty angel girls.
Posted by: Gretchen, ducking into Nino'sBluprintblu-what's going on, friend? Why are you down on the bottom? How can we cheer you up?
Posted by: danfiend, Hey Dan Fans
I just returned from a Midwest Dan Trifecta (Chicago, Columbus, and Detroit) and I can't believe how great the experience was. The song choices were excellent! Time Out of Mind, Caves of Altamira, Haitian Divorce, Godwhacker, and Slang of Ages were the highlights for me.
What pisses me off is that the fair-weather fans that go these shows view Walter's set as bathroom and beer breaks. Seeing folks leave in droves during Slang and Haitian irks me to no end. But never mind. The more folks left the louder I got in show of support. I loves ya Walter! Wish you would sing more.
Although I essentially saw the identical show three times, I'd do it again and again and again. So I will. See you in JB, Dallas, and maybe even Maui.
Take Care folks
SteelyDanFiend
for life
Posted by: bluprintblu, down on the bottomGretchen, I applaud you for using the word snarky....
Posted by: Razor-boy, Mass.Hello all Danfans.
With this being my first post here, I would like to thank all for the reviews and comments of the tour so far. We have some awsome seats for the Tweeter Ctr. this saturday and you guys are only wetting my appetite more as showtime nears.
I went to the Danfest in 2000 at some sports bar up near Fenway park (sorry I cant remember the name right now) and I met alot of nice people there as well as got my ticket for the next nights show. The Tall Ships were also in town that week, so it was just a great day all around. All this combined with a great show that opened with Boston Rag! It just dosn't get any better.
Unfortunately it dosn't look like we will be able to make this years danfest, but will be looking for you guys before and after the show in the parking lot.
Now just a few comments on some posts that I have read.
I've heard some mentions of the NY Rock and Soul Review and some great musicians like M. Jostyn, and Drew Zingg. I saw one of these shows and it was phenomenal. That live CD definitly ranks in my top 5 list of all-time greatest live cd's.
The set-list/encore song debate:
For anybody who complains about repetitive songs and encores, you probably go to too many shows (and I don't mean that as a bad thing) for me who see's 1 or 2 shows a tour, I just take it for what it is, excellent music. Perfection and Grace!
I will never get tired of hearing "My Old School" because back in the 80's when our college closed down between my junior and senior years,it was a bad scene indeed. A small band of us who transferred to the same school, lived by a mantra-like "Never going back to my old school".
So I guess my point is, the music and bands and songs are about what they touch inside us, not whats just on paper.
I guess I've rambled on long enough, I look forward to hitting this board often in the days to come.
Dave, aka Razor-boy
Posted by: Robin, NE OHTIME CHANGE FOR TONIGHT'S FESTIVITIES!
I just spoke with Blossom and the gates will not open tonight until 5:30! The Blossom Restaurant & Bar will open at the same time. We can't reserve a space, but I am sure we can stake out a section of the bar as needed.
T-minus 4 hours and counting to the Cleveland DanFest!
"Me and you will listen to
A little bit of what made the preacher dance"
Posted by: Rajini di Scangello(it's me), Abruzzi, ItalyGretchii- You're just using me get to Don, aren't you, don't lie to me. And yes, if Mrs. Meali shakes her fluffy pom poms to Volare while Bagel boy bongoes, it's gonna be a double trouble chicky-boom evening. SD are alright but Sick Fruity Bitches never fail to deliver. Mi go now, andiamo.
Posted by: Kid Clean, Ridin' my armadillo to the Camarillo
I don't want to knock any heads, but I can't believe all the negative reviews of Parker's Band. That was The highlight of the second set for me. I'm not a musician, nor do I really study music, but that has to be the fastest 'paced' song in their catalog and it just screamed. The girls, imo, did wonderful singing, sounded great in harmony. It would have been a great opportunity to let the horn section 'fly'. Sure Keith really wailed on the drums, and Jon was great on Haitian and ok on Kid C., but, on Parker's, everyone seemed to be right there at the same time. Or maybe I was crazy or I was high, but I am just an ordinary guy.
It's all things to all people, just glad I got to be one of those people.
See Ya in Memphis!!!!!
KC
Posted by: Gretchen, Raj-Being the English nerd that I am, I don't believe there is a hyphen. However, this rule may have been modified in the past few years due to the frequency of use. Wish I were there. Sounds like a good time. Perhaps when you return you can inspire the Sick Fruity Bitches to do a version of "Volare."
Posted by: Rajah of Erase(chillin at the espresso bar), Abruzzi, ItalyGretchina- thank you for your solicitude on my behalf and, yes, I'm having a Campari & soda before heading out to hear an Italian jazz diva perform tonight, cripes, I hope she knows all the words to Volare or I'll probably chew my arm off. Maybe I do have a problem, so, question: is there a hyphen in anal retentive?
Posted by: Gretchen, Raj-have some San Pellegrino with lime and chill out, baby. Maybe the Don has something on his mind.
Posted by: RCray, Motown for now.more memories from detroit as I consulted with my date from last night.
I think Walter did a good enough job on Haitian Divorce but the song just doesn't work live.
Things I miss the most - sounded surprisingly good.
Parker's Band - um, no.
Josie - Carlock stole the show.
Kid C. - Herington rocked.
Black Cow - eerily perfect.
Hey Nineteen - almost seems cheesy with all the talk, jokes etc.
My Old School - everyone sang the chorus in the crowd and it was sublime.
Home at last - Awesome.
Bottom Line - The sound was phenomenal. Walter had his guitar turned up louder than I can remember.
This tour needs to be released on disk and sold as the definitive steely live album.
I'd pay 15 dollars just to have black cow from last nites show live.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase(sono Vito Andolini), Abruzzi, ItalyOK, I'll back off and I swear I'm not trying to be a tight-ass. Anybody out there who has ever performed professionally knows that flubbing lines or blowing clams happens to everybody occasionally but I think we can all now count the shows where people have reported this problem with Don. It's just not like him and you can bet Walt has noticed. Peace and pass the pasta.
Posted by: Gretchen, I guess I'll just have to see for myself what all this muffing lines is about. 13 more days. I do have to say that although I like EMG I am not as attached to it as I am to their other albums. Maybe if I hear some of it live it'll grow on me. Would love to hear Lunch w. Gina and GreenBook and perhaps Pixeleen. Oakdale is a smaller venue, 1st date of leg 2, so perhaps it will be a different kind of experience than the ones described thus far. What are the chances of hearing "Goodbye Look?"
Posted by: Joey, " RCRAY - Thank you, Parker's Band nowhere near rivals last tour's rendering of Dirty Work. I give the boyz a C- so far. "
A " C- " is a little harsh my Italian Brother ....................
I would go " A - " due to the prodigious musicianship of the band and hearing Walter sing Haitian Divorce .
Yet , It is a shame you could not join me at the Denver Gig to see the expression on Walter's face as he listened to Don muff some lines -- Priceless !!!!!!!
Just ask Hoopsie , he was there , he saw the whole thing and was probably just as mortified as me when Walter had to remove the guitar that was supported by his gut , get up off his stool , and nearly walk over to Donny's piano to voice - mail him the lyrics .
Shiver .........................................
Developing ...........................................
Joey !
Posted by: Gretchen, Raj-who ARE you, amigo? Thanks for that offer, but I'd rather just watch the real thing. C'mon, why so snarky? You're on vacation! No one is perfect (except me).
Posted by: HANK, Set-List: I've noticed when SD fans have seen mulitiple shows, the set-list remains the same. I would like to see them change it up too. My analogy is this: When you watch the same movie mulitiple times and you already know the outcome, you still pick-up some subtile naunces which are very cool.
To anyone from Katy Lied ( A SD tribute band): Since you have a vast repertoire of SD songs. How difficult would it be for SD to reherse and play a few different set-list?
Thanks
Hank
Posted by: grippa48, N.J.Ok....this is where I'll be at PNC sunday nite.
section 103
row K
seats 129 thru 135
Stop by before the concert starts....it would be great to meet someone. (pssst......im married too bad...lol)
Posted by: Rajah of Erase(mama put the pasta on), Abruzzi, ItalyHank - I can appreciate your point of view as to just sitting back with your brewski and enjoying the show for the wonderful gift it is, yeah, of course, I can understand that. But it just doesn't work that way for me. These guys have prided themselves on being perfect, their recordings are exquisite to the point of obsession, EMG included. I cannot bear the thought of Donny mangling couplets. I'd rather he retire, seriously, I felt the same way about Frank at the end but he was 70-something. It's killing me everytime one of our bluebookers reports miscues. So I hope you can appreciate my standards and not think ill of me. Don muffing lyrics is unthinkable and unacceptable on the professional level. Is he crazy is he high, but please don't tell me he's an ordinary guy.
RCray - thank you brother, Parker's Band is a yawn. When the girls did Dirty Work last year, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.
Gretchy - I can get you a DF blow-up cuddly toy if it will help.
Posted by: Gretchen, RAJAH-
Long time no hear! I'm afraid I have to agree with Hank on this one. Although our duo insists on perfection, this can be applicable only to studio work. A live show is what it is, alive! It's not supposed to be perfect, it's them in real time, being real people. How many of us are perfect in our day to day existence? An album is a project that can be fussed over and perfected to the point of hysteria, but a live concert is showcasing their real talent, without all the studio airbrushing, per se. If Don misses lyrics, maybe he's nervous. Playing to crowds that size in an outdoor venue must be daunting. It would make me downright ill, man. Remember, these guys don't have a long touring history, and Don is notorious for stage fright. I like the spontineity of live music, seeing them as real instead of these mysterious gods of the recording studio. Just my humble opinion....
Posted by: Rajah of Erase(mama put the spaghetti on), Goriano Sicoli, ItalyHank - I can appreciate your attitude concerning the live shows, ya know, just lean back and enjoy and appreciate them for what they are, mistakes and all and if that works for you, goddbless, but it doesn't for me. This is a duo who take meticulous care with their work product and have a history of perfectionism to the point of obsession. To ask a lifelong fan to just sit back and enjoy his beer while DF mangles couplets just doesn't cut it for me. So far, the shows by many accounts have been SUB-STEELY-STANDARD. If they are not razor boy sharp by the time I see them back in L.A. in October, you will hear about it. I hope you can appreciate my point of view.
RCRAY - Thank you, Parker's Band nowhere near rivals last tour's rendering of Dirty Work. I give the boyz a C- so far.
So, OK, everybody, whip it on me.
Posted by: hoops, detroitReally quick.
Detroit show was good time. Pine Knob is a beautiful venue. The set list was the same as Chicago. The highlight was the most amazing drum solo on "Josie" by Carlock that I have seen/heard. Others who had seen multiple shows also said that this was Carlock's best.
Regarding the shirst DF had on, Steve K from the Chicago Danfest list writes:
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Greetings fellow Dan-ites . . .
I just joined the chicago@dandom e-mail list! After being forwarded some of
the e-mails regarding Donald's "attire" on 8/8 from my friend Bob (Katy Lied),
I thought I would respond to you. I also sent a note to Hoops earlier.
Donald was wearing a BEBOP DADDYS T-shirt that I gave him about an hour before the
show. Bebop Daddys is a local Chicago jazz/rock band which includes the
rhythm section players (bass & drums) from the LION KING downtown (not unlike Ted
Baker & Tom Barney from SD who also play the Broadway shows in NYC when not
touring with D &W).
I teach classes to teenagers on jazz/pop composition and know D & W through
earlier experiences with the school, (see www.steelydan.com/lincolnwood.html).
We actually teach the classes using lots of SD music, and analyze its
incredibly rich harmonic material!
I will be posting my digital pics from August 8 on my website later this
week, at www.bebopdaddys.com.
In the words of my students: "Steely Dan Rules!" Hey ... anything to get
them away from Britney Spears and Limp Bizkit!
- Steve
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Neil Rudish hosted an intimate Wing Ding at Clarkston that was a lot of fun--just the nine of us, proving that you don't need a lot of people to have a great time at a Danfest. So show up whether there's two or 200...bound to be a great time.
Having some car trouble so not sure if I will make Cleveland but hoping to.
That's it for a while. Sorry I am not able to keep up with all the posts from the road BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
jim
Posted by: Gretchen, Cafe D'escargotHEY HONEYBUN!!
I checked out that clip, it's oohhhhh so soothing......
When are you going to be in the greenroom? We should meet for a chat.
Have all the Donfan girls in there. God, I'd love to put my head on his shoulder......
Posted by: RCray, NYC/MotownAllright here is the news:
Went to the Detroit show last night. The set list was somewhat the same to the other ones previously listed.
No real surprises other than they came on at 7:45 and the Pavillion was not full, lots of people still showing up.
My seats were 6th row on the right side so I could see everything.
Donald had red and white addidas soccer shoes on for the first set and then he came out with some black hi-tops? He also had on a long sleeve dress shirt unbuttoned with another shirt with writing which I couldn't see on under it he must have been hot because it was at least 75 when the show started.
Carolyn Leonhart looked great in a red, essentially wrap around skirt and very small top.
In my opinion Parker's Band just doesn't work. They should bring back Dirty Work.
During Hey nineteen Donald rambled on about going to the beach, drinking tequila, and eating crackers??
The crowd really got into the encore and between My old school and FM Walter made the comment "We are always so liked here" and then Don said we only have time for one more and then blasted into FM.
ALL in all it was a pretty straight forward show. Donald's solo work on Josie was phenomenal as was Herington's on KID C.
Seems like the same show everyone else is going to see.
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njinteresting article about what phish is doing at their shows...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/07/technology/circuits/07rock.html
imagine the virtual dan village! D+W, pls read! :))
mikem,
lbi, nj
Posted by: HANK, Some rambling thoughts
I've been reading few post where people have mentioned that DF missed a few lyrics. I say big deal. I rather see a live show with a few mistakes than going to a concert where the singer lip-synchs the whole concert.
Now let's talk concerts. I've also been reading post where people have mentioned the Band playing the same set list over and over. Unfortunately, All bands are doing the same thing. Going to a concert is like going to a play. Everthing is scripted. Like Rod Stewart said, " My adlibbed lines were well rehearsed".
My suggestion would be SD should have two different Set-List and rotate them each night.
Conclusion, just drink your beer and enjoy the show!
Hank
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njhey robin, this is a slippery slope- a danner-than-thou thing, if you will; steely dan means different things to different people.
i personally cannot listen to slang of ages- i know many here enjoy it immensely, on disc and at the shows. music is SO personal!
i for one feel fortunate that i enjoy EMG and TVN as well as [and as much as!]the 72-79 "classic" period.
mikem
lbi, nj
headed to PNC on sunday w/o a ticket- anyone here have an extra?
this is still avail @TM:
PRICE LEVEL 1 - ORCHESTRA - ORCHESTRA RIGHT SIDE - RESERVED SEATING
OBSTRUCTED VIEW SEATING - 1ST LEVEL OF VENUE
sect 101 row x, obstructed (!)
but i have issues with the $11 conv chg, as well as the obstructed view...i feel i can do better onsite.
my 13th row borgata seats are burning a hole in my lockbox- can't wait!
>>Date: Mon, August 11, 2003, 22:22:00 ET
>>Posted by: Robin, NE OH
>>They don't get it. Many of those people are only fans of the hits. >>They're not really fans of Steely Dan. A lot of them may be there >>for purposes other than actually wanting to hear the band.
Posted by: Joey, " If so how could I recongize ya? "
Good Question !!!!
I myself should have sent in a picture via E - Mail or something .
You have no idea how packed these bars / restaurants / meeting places get before the gigs .
J.
Posted by: grippa48, NJ So I'm looking forward to meeting some of my online friends at the Dan gig at the PNC in New Jersey sunday nite. Im still waiting for a reply on who and where some are meeting at the gig.
Im not sure what time the gates to the parking lot open but I wanna bbq and I wanna get there early as possible. Is anyone going early? If so how could I recongize ya?
Can't wait,
Grippa48
Posted by: Scott P. "Steely" Dann, Cleveland, OHYes, my last name really is Dann. And as the illegitimate son of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, I cannot wait until they are "Home at Last" tonight in Cleveland.
A special shout out to my scurvy brothers, Lucky Henry and Major Dude. LH-e-mail me a phone number of where you'll be tonight. I can call and give you a preview.
Scott P. "Steely" Dann
Posted by: Laina, in SLO, still tired from Monday's 5 hr drive, 12-5amEverything Must Go must be one of your fastest album productions ever.
Fagen: We're not getting any younger.….
Becker: .….And we don't want our next album to be finished by our estates!
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What a morbid thought! :o(
Joey, that's bad. Even Walter was concerned huh? I know we can't be perfect all the time but I don't think it's asking too much that Donald maybe bone up on the lyrics...but *verging on blasphemy* maybe his age is getting in the way.
I thought MY crowd (at Paso Robles) was "a f***in' great crowd!" They can't ALL be great...can they? *pouting* LOL
Anyone into Jack Johnson or Ben Harper? I saw them both on Sunday in San Diego and they were *AWESOME*!!!
Lainalove
Posted by: Double Felix, TejasMy significant other and I will be attending the 9/21 show in Dallas and are looking for a pre/post party to plan/crash. We are Dan savvy and looking for those of our kind. You may respond by clicking on my handle above and sending an e-mail or responding to this post. In any case, Thank You!
Cheers,
DF
Posted by: scott, minnesotaFor those of you who are keeping track of these sorts of things, I was at the St. Paul concert last Thursday and at the United on Friday - both nights had the same set list (which I see was repeated in Columbus on Saturday)
Posted by: Robin, NE OHbluprintblu: Agreed about your comments concerning Walter. I noticed an increased amount of people gravitating to the refreshment areas during Walter's solos in the two '00 concerts I attended. They don't get it. Many of those people are only fans of the hits. They're not really fans of Steely Dan. A lot of them may be there for purposes other than actually wanting to hear the band.
Personally, I love it when Walter sings. He adds a new dimension to the songs that keeps them fresh. When he does his own songs -- well, I just love his sense of humor. I can't stop smiling.
At least he seems to get his props for his guitar work.
Posted by: bluprintblu, down on the bottomHey all...I woke up this morning and I flashed on the post of people walking out when Walter sang Slang of Ages...
Okay, how can you call yourself a Steely Dan fan? Have you not heard and embraced "11 tracks of whack"? Walter is integral and brilliant. I happen to love his voice and am currently angry that anyone would have the nerve to diss him like that.
A pox on all that were involved. Walter is special. That's all...
Posted by: wormy, new orleansmy best friend up in Michigan is seeing the Dan right now in Pine Knob
I can feel it in my bones
we will compare notes in Albuquerque
run don't walk and contact YGK and pick up his jazz trio's cd before it goes out of print again - fabulous stuff - tasty musicianship with all the right space and elements
CORE NYC! "Tryin' to sort it all out"
it should be on a major label already
here's a description from their website
www.CORENYC.com
"The material is best described as Urban-blues-jazz with lyrics that resonate desire, hope and realization; material that speaks to a modern, sophisticated, street sensibility in a time of uncertainty."
detailed wormian review in a week or so after I soak in it's splendor
tom of wormdom
Posted by: Joey, " (that's when the synapses generally weaken and use the karaoke teleprompter or whatever it's called, you can have like a 13 inch screen right on your Rhodes. "
Damn Straight My Brother ....................
Look at Mick Jagger -- His synapses are all torn and frayed with dendritic coils heaped about his skull in lifeless disarray and what does he do ?????????????????????
One Word : Teleprompter !
Still , I would love to have the opportunity to see another Steely Dan Concert as the Denver Gig was awesome --- Kansas City Anyone ?!?!?!?!?!
Developing ...........................................
Joey
Posted by: Rajah of Erase (lost in the mountains of Italy), Goriano Sicoli, AquilaJoey - so Donny continues his lyrical wanderings, you know, it's just not like him. I want my heroes to be perfect, not human. Don, if you're out there, give in, bite the bullet, it's allowed, you're over fifty (that's when the synapses generally weaken and use the karaoke teleprompter or whatever it's called, you can have like a 13 inch screen right on your Rhodes.
Posted by: Big Fan, at home at lastJanelightning do you still lurk? If so contact me please!
Posted by: Joey, " Also, to make matters worse, Donald was not on top of his game. He blew an entire line of Caves of Altimira - "The busy world was not for me, so I went ......................"
Donald was not on top of his game in Denver either -- Walter even got a concerned look on his face when Donald muffed a line early in the show --- Becker then proceeded to get up off of his stool as if he was about to go over and whisper the lyrics in Donald's ear . Me , I just took one more drink from my " Bong Shaped " Margarita and wondered if Fagen should have at least tucked his gray shirt inside his pants before he walked out on stage .
Shiver ...............................................
Joey !
Posted by: Honeybun, flash ahead to a yummy playback...just me and Don in a room!!!God i'm a freak! Plus I just noticed that you mentioned you checked out that site already...D'oh!
Honeybun (Going to bed soon!)
Posted by: Honeybun, Flashing ahead to a yummy playback..just Don and me in a room!!.Hey Gretchen have you checked out the website someone mentioned earlier with the soundclips, there's a cool Don solo song called 'Confide in me' where he tells us his home is 'safe and warm' in an oh so endearing way!! Oh to be Libby Titus!
Honeybun
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoBill,
The Village Voice recently ran an article comparing SD and Fountains Of Wayne, and they mentioned the "Hackensack"/"What a Shame About Me" parallels. If you haven't checked out FOW's last album, Utopia Parkway, it's their magnum opus.
Posted by: Gretchen, on the ave. by Radio CityKingrichard-thank's for that website. Watched some interesting video clips from "Midnight Special." Have I mentioned how HOT Don is? I'm digging Dondom these days........
Posted by: HANK, Anyone from Chicago going to Cleveland Tomorrow? Pleae e-mail for further details.
Thanx
Hank
Posted by: RCray, NYC/ClarkstonGQ magazine has an article about a new band called SpyMob and apparently they are heavily influenced by Steely Dan.
They ask the group what their favorite songs are and they say: My Old School and Gaucho.
Posted by: King Richard, KYDie hards are probably aware of this site - very interesting SD sound and video clips.
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm
Posted by: King Richard, KYDie hards are probably aware of this site - very interesting SD sound and video clips.
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm
Posted by: Ilyse, ChicagoMike "Afterglow"
Yes, some funky bad sound. It was LOUD. And I'm right there with you -- eventually I will get it right as far as knowing which venues are best. Am thinking it might have been better to go to another concert in the midwest and just gotten a room than go to the United Center. I think it was contingent upon where you sat. Live and learn ... there's always next time -- I'm just relieved to hear so many other people that agreed with me -- and that it was not just me getting older :)
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghSome folks have suggested that the band Fountains of Wayne is somewhat Dan influenced. I heard a track on the radio today called "Hackensack" and although musically they were much more straightforward with soaring harmonies and a Brian Wilson meets Art Garfunkel lead vocal, the plot of this song is very similar to What A Shame About Me - a loser of sorts recounting his early relationship with a big star, although in this story it sounds like she was just a high-school acquaintance.
Posted by: mike f, new yorkAnyone want to trade a Friday 9/12 Roseland ticket for a 9/13 Roseland one?
I got two tix for 9/13 but the person I was going with can't.
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYThis is sort of a reprint:
PNC is this weekend (my first Dan show of the summer!) and Jones Beach fast approacheth.
I am, as you probably have heard, hosting the Jones Beach...I swear to some higher power that the darn website will be up in the next few days. Really. In the meantime, is there any way to ascertain how many folks we might expect to see at Jones Beach? (For PNC, YGK and I and another friend of his are just going to wander the parking lot in search of fellow GBers.)
I'm trying to gauge food, drinks, etc. I still need to figure out how to best be spotted....flags, perhaps? Take pity on me. HELP!
I need input. Suggestions, comments, etc. all welcome. I am going to be in Boston this weekend (though not for the show, just for Saturday night) and will only have this week and next for prep. I have been driving around for nigh on two months now with a BBQ grill in my car...so, that's covered.
Just by-the-by...went to see Dave Brubeck Saturday night at a venue in Oyster Bay. First, I pity those who actually bought the "good" seats. We picnicked on the lawn (I bow to those extraordinary folks next to us who brought not only a lovely little wood cocktail table, but a tablecloth and CANDLEABRA, for heaven's sake) and enjoyed some fabulous music (what an amazing musician, and he is approximately 157 years old!) and great wine and food. The highlight? He closed the night with Take Five and we closed the night with some Tennessee Tea. Yummy on both counts.
Okay, so email me with assistance. Even if you aren't going to the show.
Thanks!
LadyB
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandBeerberian - don't sweat it (rather inappropriate comment if you're in UK). It's just that Atlantic humour(humor)divide. Something to do with irony I think.
True, they have the tour, but we have the weather! Hottest day ever recorded in UK yesterday! Mind you I'd rather have the tour, but next year - yes?! Albert Hall - yes?! With Keith Carlock - yes?! Or at least the Sick Fruity Bitches at the Red Lion Twickenham. Please.
Posted by: Beerberian, @itHey Gents If you must slag me off ... then at least use my correct handle ! It's OK for you US Guys You got THE TOUR !! ... I'm real sorry if my attempt to amuse missed the mark. Hell no what I mean is F*** You !! LOL
Posted by: DAVIS, BOSTONberberian, that maybe one of the most annoying, pointless, look at me I am trying to sound smart posts of all time..
Posted by: Dan, FLAum...berberian..I tried to pretend that you didn't use so many non sequiturs but it didn't work.
Posted by: Beerberian, @itThe Dan collective Friday 8th August 2003 – Carousal in Coventry
The Jail House Rocked … Imagine my surprise
Flash!!! arhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha No not that Queen song – but the noise made by Penno posing on speed camera number 137 on the way to Cov – Now Let’s clean this mess up else we’ll all end up in jail …
Minor detour on inner ring road - don’t know this super highway – stopped to ask the way from two of Coventry’s “finest” Where’s the Jailhouse ? we queried … ‘spose you think that’s funny – cos I just come out of prison …. came the reply !!! oops Foot down Penno (gently this time tho’) Down here and turn around …and there it was - Could it be that I have found my home at last, Home at last ?
Summer Steamer ? anyone
The Lord of the earRings Verde smote that mighty axe and it was begun … It was like a dream come true …
And Just when you think you've heard this one before…
Look there’s only so many times I can use the “Pretzel Log Defied” line !!! But it was – So let it be recorded that on Friday 8th Aug 2003 That this number was toured so far South , that Mr Beeston took it below the antarctic circle !! ( ahhh if only ‘twas that cool) AND then THIS band built and BUILT it back to a gobsmacking, groin grinding pinnacle of a finish …Blues standard ?? , My Arse ,more like giving it Xtra LARGE !! I’m beginning to think you boys are taking the piss … LMFAO
In the corner of my eye - A select and very appreciative crowd were royally treated to an equally LRG Black Cow …– And your remedies? -Take 8 pints of Carling and call me in the morning …
Shame on you guys playing “hide the tambourine” The Babylon Sister only wanted to Shake it !!! With that raw flame That live wire she prayed like a Roman With her eyes on fire …
Let’s face it The band was HOT so, we danced the famous the Merengue … Well sorta grooved in an unreserved gregarious kinda sway
Did you realize - That you were all champions in our eyes?
Gentleman – That must have felt GOOOOOOD cos it sounded MIGHTY FINE from Here !!
As I stagger homeward with my precious one …. Now where are you tomorrow ??
Posted by: Mike, New YorkI have one extra ticket to the 9/13 Roseland Ballroom show for sale.
The face value is $84.00, same as I paid for it from Ticketmaster.
I prefer not to sell it but to trade it for some live SD.
Please reply off-list. Thanks. Mike
mf399@columbia.edu
Posted by: Mel Korn, TORONTOTORONTO DANFEST DETAILS!
Final plans are made…rather loosely I might add! We will be heading to The Rex, 194 Queen Street West (Just west of University on the north side). As of today, I have heard from a number of you, and I expect around 20 people. I have told The Rex that the numbers are 20 – 50 people….spread the word, it would be nice to have a good crowd. At intermission, I thought we could meet and say hello in front of the T-shirt vendor tables (assuming that as at past concerts there is only one such spot!). See you all on Thursday, and if you know of others planning to attend, let me know!
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/toronto/index.html
Mel.
Posted by: RCray, NYCJust landed in Motown, bloody mary in hand and making my way into Clarkston.
I have 6th Row so this should be interesting...let's just hope I can stay sober enough to remember this one.
Pine Knob/DTE music theatre is a great place to see a show. The back drop is essentially The Knob a small ski lodge with a small mountain behind. But the real excitement are the music fans in this town. Every show literally rocks.
Until tomorrow.....
Posted by: Steve P., For guitarists only, in response to a request--
This may seem like a lot of fudging, what with the capo and the partial dropped D tuning, but I'm about 99% sure this is how Jon Herington plays it (based on seeing him do it last week). It CAN be played in standard tuning without a capo, but this way is much easier.
Be sure to view with a fixed-width font such as Courier. There are no indications for dynamics, so you have to listen to the original to get the
feel of it.
Humbly,
Steve Pachuta
*****
"Godwhacker" guitar riff (Steely Dan)
Tune 6th string to D
Capo 3, numbers are relative to capo (0 = 3rd fret)
palm mute--->
E---------------------------------------------
B---------------------------------------------
G---------------------------------------------
D------0-0-0-2-3p2p0-0-----0------------------
A--0h3--------------3-------------------------
D----------------------------0-3-0-5-5-3------
Posted by: Eagleson, The Danfest was great, thanks again, Hoops - although we never did get that group shot.
I echo the comments of Marty ( our Wisconsin SD expert), great to be with you all, met some wonderful people; Steve and Pam from Kenosha, Soul Monkey and fiancee, Hoops, The man and wife who saw the previous nights St. Paul gig, "fagengruven", the big group from Iowa, Sweet Lola and sweet friend, the couple at our table (sorry, forgot your names) and all the others that I don't recall your names but enjoyed talking too. I have photos of some of you, so e-mail me to have them sent.
I am forever grateful to the guys who informed us of the open seats in section 113. As Marty said, the echo from the back of the Center made our original seats a big disappointment and not worth the $95 each we spent. Once we moved it was sensational, and I was really "zoning". We didn't sit in row 5 though, we stopped a couple rows up. Guys from section 113, I forgot your names but thanks a million. Please e-mail those fantastic digitals you took! I couldn't bring my big Fuji S602 in.
I thought Walter's rendition of Haitian Divorce was cool , put a whole new flavor on it. So great to hear Janie Runaway, Caves of Altamira and Kid Charlamagne, Godwhacker. Home At Last was mighty hidey-ho outstanding. The girls were great (I guess they were knockouts - hey where have I been?) And of course the unparalleled Aja.
I got my T-shirt, my hat and my mug. I'm ready to go back Jack and do it again. I had the added pleasure of seeing legendary Chicago blues-man (and Green Bay resident) Billy Flynn Sunday at a free outdoor concert in the park.
I wonder if the Chicago cop was able to get his poster signed by Don & Walt as he had planned?
Eagleson - (still I remain tied to the mast)
Well the danger on the expressway is surely passed
Could it be I finally saw the Dan at last
Live at last
Posted by: Big Fan of Big Fan, Chicago Tribune review I don't think I have seen either
http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/mmx-gut17ep7e.2aug10,0,374353.story
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - yes it's still rainingReview of the Chicago show - didn't see it posted:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/music/cst-nws-steely10.html
Are Don and Walt weathermen? Do they read the almanac? I was really questioning playing all of these indoor venues on the east coast, but since we've had 27 days of rain since July 4 maybe they are clairvoyant or just good prognosticators. Jeez if we wanted to live in Seattle we’d move there- just kidding Suedave, et al.
Sounds like the Borgata casino is quite a place:
http://www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/living/1060525823166500.xml
See you all at Greatwoods, er Tweeter Center Saturday!
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliCon adicion de Cringemaker Lopez al grupo Sick Fruity Bitches es necesario hacer una nueva password. Old password: YOU SO RUDE THROWIN FOOD LEPAGE BE LEWD MAJOR DUDE. New: I NO HEAR BUZZ BE QUEER REELIN YEAR BRITNEY SPEAR. Cuando Cringemaker Lopez va a Sick Fruity *secret clubhouse y recording studio* Barna mi woman fue security guard hasta her creamy white breast get more healthy (she crack it in Pacifica Oceano'!) Barna no se permite entrar a Cringemaker Lopez porque he give the password no correcto: I NO HEAR BUZZ BE QUEER REELIN YEAR CHRISTINA AGUILERA.
Barna dice "No esta correcto, no se puede entrar!" Cringemaker Lopez bang on the dorr and say, "See here you ho. I have been to 164 STEELI DANNI concerts, more than anyone else in the world. I can recite every set list of every concert ever played, backwards, in six languages." He speakie Good Ingles! " Let me in." Barna refusa! Cringemaker no make no more problema, he sit on a tree stump y play the chords to EL REY DEL MUNDO. He play la guitara so beautious I want to rub my chocha on the bongo while I play. El grupo es mucho mas mejor con Cringemaker Lopez de con Rick The Bagel!
Posted by: Philippe Poudensan, FranceHello there, France calling, I'm afraid there won't be a Leg 3 in Europe for that one so my question is : did some of you saw cameras on stage so we can have a chance to see the show on a video sometime later in the year? I hope so.
Veinards d'Américains ! (It's not an insult, it's just : how lucky you are )
Philippe
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home At Last, getting lost in the shuffle here...OK, folks, a few quick comments before I head off to bed...I am loving all the action on the board and eagerly awaiting show #2 for me this tour...which will not be until the 2nd California passage in Concord.
However, I have to just throw in a few lightweight comments...
I think I read a few nights ago that someone remarked Walter did not proclaim "Slang Me!" during SOA - is this true??? I cheated and peeked at the first 2 show sets, although I knew he had to play it, I now knew when. Well, anyways, in classic expressive anticipation of the show, "SLANG ME!" became my verbal mantra around the house. My wife became irritated by it after 2-3 days. At the show, I couldn't hold it in...I started beckoning Walter after each song post-Aja. Just my own little fun...wife was glad after song 5 or 6 she didn't have to hear my private joke any further.
I read a couple of nights ago that some fine Danner stated they did not like the first sampling of EMG, but cannot stop listening now. I am guilty of the same exact sin. However, after listening through good headphones repeatedly at work, I think it is amazing!
Still glad I go to hear Do It Again, but am extremely psyched to hear Black Cow! Alas...who knows what will be in/out in October
Ta...
DFD
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoHey oleander,
Thanks for the plug!
Yes, a Monkey House anthology is due this fall from Aquarius/EMI. It will include ten key tracks from the first two Monkey House albums (including, natch, "Lazy Nina"), as well as five new ones. 100% remastered. I'll keep you posted.
For you literary types, I thought I'd add that "Precious and Few: Pop Music in the Early '70s" (St. Martin's, 1996) was followed by "Night Moves: Pop Music in the Late '70s" (St. Martin's, 2000). The latter book has a separate chapter on Steely Dan in which Aja is identified as "the best record in the solar system," and there's plenty of content for fans of Rickie Lee Jones, Elvis Costello, Stevie Wonder, James Taylor, David Bowie, etc. Both books are available through normal retail channels, including amazon.com.
Currently gearing up for Thursday's Toronto show...
Posted by: Boston Rag, Boston DanfestLess than a week to go until Donald and Walter roll into Mansfield!!
If you were halfway thinking about coming to the Boston Danfest, this might change your mind.
Check out our souvenir Slang Me t-shirt. We got plenty of sweet treats and surprises for the little buckaroos planned before the show. Be there!
http://home.comcast.net/~markdrinan/bosfest.html
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYJust got back from the Columbus show. Absolutely AWESOME! Keith Carlock is simply one of the absolute best drummers I've ever heard--the perfect mix of groove and fills. The band played awesome, the songs were great. The only downer was that Donald was a little, erm... off. Oh well, it was still an awesome show.
Posted by: oleander, out in the coldOh man.... Nissan seems so far away.... Loving the descriptions, carping, kvelling, all of it.
kd--thanx for your jeremiad, or kdmiad. Amen.
Don--OK, I listened several times to EMG backwards, and yes, it does work! Except the segue from "Godwhacker" to "Blues Beach" is a little weird. Overall I think the way it is is best.
Speaking of which, some of you may not know that Don Breithaupt is the co-author of "Precious and Few: Pop Music in the Early '70's," an excellent read with multiple mentions of the Dan. AND he is the leader of Monkey House, which did a TERRIFIC version of "Lazy Nina." It lives on my desktop (thanx Mu) and gets a lot of play. Their cd "True Winter" is available on amazon.com, and I have it on good authority that a collection which includes "Lazy Nina" will be available in the not too distant future.... Major props to Don.
You all will think I'm utterly nuts, but back to the theme of words and phrases recurring within albums--on EMG, I think they refer to two Broadway musicals. Second, mentioned already, is "Second Hand Rose," sung by Fanny Brice in the Ziegfeld Follies of 1921 and popularized by Barbra Streisand on "My Name is Barbra." Messrs. F & B, as you know, wrote "I Mean To Shine" for the latter (on "Barbra Joan Streisand"). And first, that weird little interlude in TIMTM, the "birdie bye-bye" one, is maybe a reference to "Bye-Bye Birdie," or at least the '63 movie version. Just watch the opening credits, and Ann Margret's teen-bedroom twist on a strip scene, and you'll see what I mean. Talk about an archetype for all your Janie Runaways, Hey 19's, and every nubile Dan character you can think of.... The ham-handed tension between little girl and man-eating siren must have been really something for pubescent boys in the early '60's. The opening/ closing theme even sounds a little like the TIMTM interlude.
Posted by: Peg, Wired, not tiredHey, all, here is the Columbus (and Chicago, too, I guess, judging by previous posts) setlist, as best as I can read the writing I made in the dark!
Latin-ish tune by band prior to entrance of D&W)
Aja
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang of Ages (Walter)
Peg
Home At Last
---Break ----
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (Walter)
Things I Miss The Most
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
Encore: My Old School, FM
I also was bummed by Donald's forgetting the Caves words and saying that Babylon Sisters was from Royal Scam..the latter I decided was a Freudian slip, seeing as how Gaucho was their last album together and sortof not a good memory, perhaps?
Anyhoo, I wanted to hear Green Book or Lunch With Gina SOOOO bad, and did not. However, I was impressed by the muscianship and by it all, really, and thought that Fagen was attacking his singing in a good way, being more energetic about it in general. He sounded good; so did Walter. Carlock was magnificent, and Baker was so funny when he jumped off the piano bench, turned around, then started playing again during My Old School.
But I gotta report my own personal experience was greatly marred by the presence of many drunken nuts, plus one bastard in particular (ladies out there will understand). I would have gotten up and moved if the ushers had not been Nazis...Thankfully, the b. guy's buddy, who had more sense, forceably traded seats with him after the break!
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, home at last, still diggin' DonEMG has been spinning in my head, too. Particularly "Lunch with Gina". However, "Green Book" is my favorite cut, as it harkens back to the days of old and I like the line "I tango down to the smoky lobby." Are there any art fans in here? I was thinking that if someone were to illustrate a particular SD song, Alex Katz would be the guy, particularly a "Black Cow" scenario. I've done a small landscape painting myself which I call "Aja" as that was the inspiration, but does anyone know of other artists who cite SD songs as the inspiration? That would be one hell of an interesting art show, with SD music in the background of course. Past weekend shows sound fantastic, I'm jealous! Counting down to the ecstasy of the first CT show Aug. 25. Hope to see many of you there!
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Hugh Manatee BarFurther evidence that the "Danfiltration" of Society is proceeding on course: I heard an Instrumental of "Kid Charlegmagne" backing up a Weather Report on ABC News the other morning! Of courde,it WAS 430A, (and,NO, I'm NOT an Insomniac; I work the Early Shift!) Since I'm a fairly new Fan,can anyone tell me whether the Weather Channel has done any Instrumental Backings of SD tunes? Some of the stuff they play behind the "Local on the 8's" sounds like Steely Dan to me,or mebbe a cheap imitation? Just curious!
This music has a way of "Burning In!" I've had EMG tunes in my head CONSTANTLY since I bought the CD about 3 wks ago! I sometimes find that on first listen,I'm not REALLY "taken" by some of it,and then,Baboom,I CAN'T get it out of my head,and then,next thing I know ,I've memorized lyrics to the ENTIRE album! But,when I consider how much Flotsam and Jetsam of minor trivializations I COULD fill my head with,it makes good sense to me to have such an AWESOME Soundtrack "on-Tap" at ALL TIMES for my Listening Pleasure,and ,apparently, ABC News and TWC? feel the same way too!
Posted by: lucky henry, Hoops, Rob B., Dr Wu, et. al.,
See you in Holmdel. I'll bring some zombie-fixins, or whaddevah.
Probably road-tripping with the maj; will be wearing a black NCAA Champions cap with the Syracuse U. b-ball logo. Speaking of which, don't ask the maj to do his rendition of Dick Vitale at a Steely Dan concert. On second thought...
lh
Posted by: Paul,Shotan, Birmingham, England"show the world our mighty hidey-ho face
as we go slipping down the ladder"
Are talking "Mr Hanky" here? Nice reference if it is!
Posted by: SoulMonkey, Louisville, KyChicago--Columbus.
Insane pre-show party hosted by Hoops, and the good people of Chicago. Hello to everyone I met--Kid Clean--Hoops--Mike--Bob--Ben--Jack--Zac and so on. Sorry if I forgot anyone. I apologize for losing my mind when acquiring those 2nd row seats. I had too much to drink, and the show was a blur.
PS--thank you to one of the cops who took us out to the car for some mean green. Totally sureal.
Columbus--stayed somewhat sober, and the show kicked total ass. Keith Carlock may be the best drummer I've ever seen. Hands down. He nailed AJA maybe only like Gadd could, and maybe even better. Worth the price alone. Thanks to The El Supremo, and Amanda for an enjoyable evening. Hope you guys made it home ok.
Next stop Cleveland, and then a caravan to Memphis.
Posted by: slinkyredfoot, Avenue EThoughts on the Chicago/Columbus shows: Friday night at the United Center was the concert of my life, because 10 hours before the show I got a call from WRXT radio telling me that I had won front row tickets that turned out to be two seats left of center. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, my soul can now rest easy. The concert itself was pretty much flawless from my standpoint, and just as an aside I was able to take 14 pictures of D&W (and Herrington) before security told me to lose the flash. Several of the pictures look like I took them in my living room, so if anyone would like to see them let me know where to post them. I'm not the super-sociable type, so I've never done a DanFest, but on the way to Will Call I passed a guy with a hand written sticker that said "Hoops" on it. Pretty sure that was the man, and Hoops I'm an asshole for not turning around and chasing you down to give you a handshake and say thanks for all you do. I'm also not one to write down songs as they're played to compile a setlist, but I can tell you it was pretty much what they've been playing at previous concerts. No Last Mall or Blues Beach, heavy on Royal Scam. If I had my druthers, I would have preferred more new stuff and I would have given my left gonad to hear Lunch With Gina, but other than that it was as good as it gets for me. Carlock was as spectacular as everyone has been saying, but from my lucky perch the real treat was watching Herrington navigating the frets. Whew.
Now on to Columbus. Starting off I can't believe it, and I didn't write down the set list to document it, but they played the exact same show in Columbus as they did in Chicago. This surprises me, because they have to know that there are the faithful that are going to follow them and attend multiple shows in a geographical region. Couldn't they mix it up a little bit? I saw postings earlier in the week talking about the Stones rotating 200 songs in their last tour, and I agree that a Stones song probably requires a fraction of the rehearsal time than an SD song does. But come on, who goes on the road with two dozen songs? Also, to make matters worse, Donald was not on top of his game. He blew an entire line of Caves of Altimira - "The busy world was not for me, so I went and found my own. I would dah the wur duh me, in the landa in my hand...." No exaggeration, it was not muddled audio but a pure space-off. Then, as a previous post attests, he introduced Babylon Sisters as "another song from Royal Scam". In the second set, he introduced TIMTM by saying "Here's one more song from our new album, and it's called.......UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....Things I Miss The Most". Now on that one I think he was poking fun at himself for the prior gaffes, but that still doesn't excuse them. I hope to hell that his problem is some random drugs before the show, because I'd hate to think he's going senile. Last complaint and I'll shut up: at both shows Walter came out for the encore and said the "What a great f-ing audience" line. Once again, they have to know their most devoted fans are seeing multiple shows, and rattling off the same scripted banter each night only adds insult to the "one setlist for all" injury.
Having said all that, when and if their next album comes out I'll be right up front buying it in every format they produce it in, and I'll be clamoring to get tickets for as many shows as I can travel to. Because in the end, their music is like no other and the best that I have found.
Posted by: Grippa48, N.J.Yup I'll be there Dr. Wu at PNC. I sure would like to catch up with ya before the concert. How early are you going there? Ya know what time the gates open? I wanna get there early.
Posted by: Grippa48, N.J.So friends have the set lists changed lately. Anyone know the lastest setlist?
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Gearing up for the NJPAC show a week from today. Thank you all for the excellent reviews - it is going to be awesome!
Anybody else who will be going to the NJ show next Sunday, look for me and my buddy hanging out at a tan 4-Runner playing some classic and new Dan tunes prior to the show. If you are good, you get to have a tasty beverage on us.
Wu
Posted by: angel, Barfly: It was discussed here a few weeks ago.
Date: Fri, June 27, 2003, 09:38:04 ET
Posted by: Russ,
Crell: my take on that noise on the Godwhacker fade is it's either a duck decoy call, or Donald making some kind of funny noise with his mouth... Duck decoy makes sense given the overall "hunting" theme of the song. Isn't that one of the hunter's aids Elmer Fudd carried when he said "Be vewy, vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits"?
Posted by: KMITB, Columbus 8/9Well folks...just returned from the Dan show here in Columbus after a long night of partying....and let me say....these guys still have it!!! The sound was incredible! Donald was in top form and the mix was right on! As has been reported...the setlist is the same as previous shows!
Moment of the night...after what seemed like a 5 minute standing ovation, the gang hoped back on stage for an encore! Becker grabed the mic and said, "What a great fucking crowd!" Then he looked at Fagen, to which he held up his glass, toasted the crowd and swigged the contents! I'd like to think it was a brew or other speciality, but who knows!!!
Anyway, incredible show! Folks who are still waiting to see these boys, you will not be dissapointed!!!
I did catch this though...don't know if he was joking or not....but Fagen said something to the effect of , here's a song from the 70's off Royal Scam...and the song was Babylon Sisters!!! Basically every Dan fan knows it's from Gaucho...but I was wondering if he was goofing around, or did he forget what album that tune was off of??? I guess it doesn't matter since it was a killer tune live!!!
That's all I got...I was in awe to finally hear "Time Out Of Mind" live!!!
Peace,
Kenny
Posted by: Rajah of Erase (on the Adriatic coast), Pescara, ItalyMy beloved Dandom - vacationing with la famiglia over here, miss you guys tanto tanto. Especially cause I forgot my Fruity Bitches compilation album. Make my peenie ouchie. Great comments on the Chicago concert, sounds like da boyz be heatin up. There is an SD poster up at the big American record shop in Rome accross from Trevi fountain, seems like the promo over here is just as good as L.A., more's the pity. Keep those setlists and reviews coming. Ciao baby.
Posted by: Bayfly, Burlingame, CAHas anybody noticed the little "fart" noise on the right channel of "Godwhacker" as it's fading out at 4 minutes 40 seconds?
O.K., I'm listening to this album way too much! Does anyone have a suggestion for a musical sorbet to cleanse the palate? Some Eminem, perhaps?
EMG has been running around my head for the last two weeks. The amazing thing is, I didn't even like it upon the first listen. Now, I'm thinking it's maybe one of their best efforts.
Posted by: DACW, Attention all Texas! Doors open at 6:30. Show at 8 pm.
http://www.hob.com/tickets/eventdetail.asp?eventid=20636
Posted by: Denton, iowaMy wife insists that they played "Shame About Me" in Chicago last
night. How can I convince her she is mistaken? She also suggested that they may have played "Gaslighting Abbey" (she's not so firm on that one haha)...I am serious.
I am embarrassed for her but cannot prove/disprove it.
I think she got it confused with Janie Runaway. Doesn't matter I guess, once her mind is made up. Should I have her committed now or later?
Posted by: hoops, chicagoJust breezin' through...
The show was incredible last night. Pretty much flawless!!!! One of the best shows I ever saw.
Real quick, which movie is the "Haitian Divorice" visuals taken from?
I really dug the part where the girls were given the "amenity" of "The Chicago Manual of Style." I wrestled with that book in grad school so I really got a kick out of it.
Clearly not getting the aforementioned gag "amenity" nor Steely Dan, the reviewer in tomorrow's "Sunday Chicago Sun-Times," as usual, dismissed the show as a nostalgia act. (The writers always complain about the bands repeating themselves, but then they repeat the same basic review...how about a new spin or actually researching before reviewing?) So I am saying all this not because the review deserves our attention as much as I am encouraging you to skip reading it or seeking it out. I don't think the picture was even from last night.
The Danfest was a huge success....well over 110 or 120 or more attendees before and at least 50 after—a close location really helps. And a couple of Chicago Police on break also had a blast...they even won one of the SD door prizes.
What was best? Well it was PERFECT! I have some more stories...will write tomorrow or Monday when I have time. The setlist was the same as Denver and St Paul.
Thanks so much to everyone for a very perfect Steely Dan night—and thanks to everyone for reading this.
jim
Posted by: Mike, Chicago AfterglowGreat time at the goat B4 the Chicago gig. Thanks Hoops! Too bad I couldn’t make it to the post show . . . I expect to see video posted.
Very much enjoyed the show last night (they finally played Caves!!) I am completely in awe of Mr. Herington, though I think they gave him better opportunities to strut his stuff on the last tour. I tried to remember my two favorite Herington bit but I only remember Kid C.. I do have a newfound respect for Walter’s guitar work. Another glorious night. . . . now when is “the next one”?
I do have a bit of a quibble though . . . was it just me, or was it a bit too loud (or not well mixed). My [initial] seats were in the second row of section 4 on the floor. This provided a nice vantage point since there was only one row of seats in front of us, then a large aisle. Unfortunately, I couldn’t clearly hear Donald’s vocals because it seemed a wee bit loud, just approaching uncomfortable. After intermission, my friend and I returned from the facilities and just sat in some open seats up in a 200 section. It sort of took the edge off the volume, but I still think that Donald wasn’t mixed properly. Am I just getting old?
I guess I am trying to recapture the sonic perfection of their ’93 tour. I scammed some last minute tix to Poplar Creek (a comparatively small, now defunct outdoor venue). The seats were in the last row of the covered pavilion and reasonably close to the sound man. On successive tours I had a) 10th row dead center (too far from the sound man) at Alpine Valley (outdoor), b) Right by the sound man on the main floor of Allstate Arena (big indoor venue) and the acoustics seemed bad and c) about 25 rows back at United Center which (as I said) was loud and questionable acoustics.
That being said, I don’t think I will going to another indoor venue if I can avoid it. My next test will be an outdoor arena near the sound man. Eventually I will get this whole concert thing right. A question to the Dan populace: what is your perfect way to hear a Dan concert?
Also: I go two of those Steely Dan coffee mugs and (to whoever asked) OF COURSE I DIDN’T PUT DOWN REAL INFORMATION!!
Mike
Posted by: Dave, Hey Rex, the Dallas start time is not a mistake. As someone else posted, most shed shows start earlier in the fall since the sun sets earlier. They don't want people coming and parking their cars in the dark. 6:30 pm really is the official time for Dallas. Of course they actually take the stage maybe 15 minutes later.
Speaking of later,
Laters!
Dave
Posted by: Not Telling, Not TellingOkay, so I have some insider info, cell phone "feed", shall we say, coming in now from the Columbus show, and oh my god, do I wish I was there !!! Sounds amazing, kids!! Oh those who are there, you are some lucky dogs!!! :-)
Posted by: Not Telling, Not TellingOkay, so I have some insider info, cell phone "feed", shall we say, coming in now from the Columbus show, and oh my god, do I wish I was there !!! Sounds amazing, kids!! Oh those who are there, you are some lucky dogs!!! :-)
Posted by: Cralwer, Another cool part of that interview (my personal favorite)
After putting the basics down, did you go to a workstation environment for overdubs and editing?
Becker: We then went to Sony PCM-3348HR…
Fagen: [sings blues] I went down to the workstation. I walked down to the workstation!
Becker: With an occasional foray into a workstation. Most of the time, we…
Fagen: [continues to sing the blues] And met my Jesus there…
Posted by: JP's Rival, almost outahereOkay, well that didn't work... Sorry. Here's the url for the interview:
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_steely_dan_everything/index.htm
Posted by: JP, leaving right nowThanks for the reviews from the Windy City! Any offerings from St Paul (esp. a set list) would be fun too.
Someone on usenet posted a link to an interview in Mix Magazine. Sorry if it's already been linked here, but I found it enjoyable. Loved this line:
Q: Will there be more Walter Becker vocals on the next album?
A: Becker: Not if I can help it, because Donald is a much better singer than me. His style and his range and approach is a large part of the band's characteristic sound. He's the frontman; I'm the guy behind the guy.
[url=http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_steely_dan_everything/index.htm]tryin' it this way[/url]
Some of the comments they make toward the end of the interview might help quell some of the speculation about "The Principles" going out of business. Also, at the show here in pdx, Fagen walked off the stage with his arm over the shoulder of his "partner" WB saying, "We'll see you next time!"
Sure hope so.
Posted by: Noah, ChicagoI had the time of my life last night at the United Center 16th row sec 2. What a great party at the Billy Goat, (even the police are Dan Fans in Chicago). I bet there were a hundred people, I saw old friends that I had not talked to in 3 years since the bash in Milwaukee during the TVN tour. I think the United Center show was the best I've ever heard Dan live going back to the New York Rock & Soul Revue days. Wow was it clean sounding, I forgot the drummers name, he was hot! Jon Harrington sounded bright on that great axe too. Don and Walt, OMG was I happy.
Hoops, thank you so much! You so cool and nice to us. I dont know if people know how much work this guy does. This was really something special.
Write me!
Noah
n.seidenberg@comcast.net
Posted by: Hank (way back when in 92) Silvers, fezo: "haunting" is an excellent way of describing Deacon Blues with Mindy Jostyn. I saw it played by the New York R&S bunch in August 1992 at the venue formerly known as Garden State Arts Center. It sounded great from the lawn (tickets $17.50 -- that was then).
Capacity crowd that night, full of people who went nuts at every SD song. Probably one of those moments that persuaded DF & WB to assemble a tour of their own.
Posted by: Kid Clean, Still in 'did that really happen' mode
Ah, it's good to be back. Remarkable show last night in Chicago. What a ballsy move, opening with AJA. Talk about setting the bar high. The set list was tasty, I'd managed to make it without peeking and was quite surprised. Well, almost without peeking, I scrolled down a little to far in one of the digest's and knew that Caves and Haitian were coming, just didn't know when. Haitian was better than I had imagined, didn't know Walter was singing and Herrington simply shredded on the solos and the outro. And now, a venting moment....I was disgusted when half the crowd left when Walter started Slang. Now I understand that you might have to get up at some point and refill your libation or take a little break, been there, but the mass exodus that occured was, in my opinion, just downright disrespectful. I know not everyone is as tuned in to the Dan as we are but, it's just....ah, the hell with it, I'm preachin' to the choir. And now back to our regularly scheduled program. I was surprised that they started the 2nd set with Janie, since that position had previously been filled with choice nuggets, Royal Scam, Sign in Stranger, etc. but slamming right into Hey 19 from there was superb. Highlights of the night: 1) Black Cow, way, way superior to '96, damn near perfection if I may say. 2) Parker's Band!!!!!!!! Holy crap! With the Girls singing!?! Sublime. I'd been hoping for this one for sometime and I can now die happy. The swingingest I've ever heard the band, they should have rode that one for 20 or 30 minutes. 3) Donald. Period. He was all over the place, I don't ever recall seeing him so mobile and so talkative. He was, like, active. I think they might have been a little surprised with the audience reactions however, it was hard to hear some of the intros he gave because the crowd was still screaming about the last one, like he hadn't expected that kind of reaction. 4) Hangin' with the crew again and meeting some new friends: Noah, EB, Hoops, Pam!!, Moray, Soul Monkey (who scored 2nd F*#king row 1/2 hour before the show)and so many others. Tony and have discussed this many times since hooking up with the group here, there is not a better way to experience a concert than to hook up with 50-100 of your closest friends, from your own backyard to across the Pond, eat drink and be merry then enjoy the show and meet again afterwards to discuss how fantastic it was. I can't imagine going to a show anymore without all of that.
There were some disappoints with the show but it's just not worth it, the overall experience was an A++++++.
Can't wait for the caravan to Memphis next month....
That is all.
Kid Clean
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliEm mi pueblo soldados mata a "Maricon Joe" with a bow and arra in the peenie. Otros die mi popps in the tomato garden with a stick y tambien they put the bootarm STELLY DAN tape, Nightfli, in he windpipe so he lungs cannot get the air. We leave the bad countri para venir a Estados Unidos en tuna boat. Mi moms drown in the ocean y mi wefi Barna crack her breast en un "whitecap." Sea is very fighting! We liberate the soul of the peepil with STELLY DAN MUSIC. Sick Fruity Bitches live forever! Beautacious musica de STELLY DAN put you with God! (dios!)
Don Carlos say mi conga es "off the beat." Off the beat?! Fuck you!
I stay on the one like a fuck. He say replace me with drum machine! No machina puede tocar Kid Champagne like me baby! He say he have good otro dude, Cringemaker Lopez.
Posted by: Bob In Texas, Hello Everyone,
Can anyone on this site hook me up so that I can have my picture snapped with the boys??
I will be attending the Toronto, San Diego, and Vegas shows.
Gotta get this done. With DF and WB the mystic is real and just oozes from Donald.
((ps. I wish they would trade Ted Baker for Joe Sample.))
Posted by: fezo, coulditbeitwasallsosimplethenDefinitive live version of Deacon Blues was when our heroes had Mindy Jostyn in the band . . . can't remember if it was NYRSR in '92 or the official reunion tour in '93. A real different arrangement, featuring Ms. Jostyn, stage left, down front, on the violin (for dates above the Mason-Dixon line; dates below: the fiddle). I never thought they could have improved upon the studio version, but this performance did. Simply haunting.
Posted by: Denton, IowaWent to Chicago last night (my 1st ever show), yes it was great! DF vocals were strong, and WB REALLY impressed me. Keith Carlock is unbelievable! The UC margaritas were way better than expected...
Posted by: danfiend, CHICAGOI just returned from the Chicago concert. MAN was it killer! There were a lot of sweet treats and surprises tonight. It was the best Birthday I've had in a long time. Donald and Walter, getting older is never easy, bu you two certainly know how to ease the soul. Thanks and I love you guys. Looking forward to Columbus, Detroit, etc. etc.
Night Night
SteelyDanFiend
Posted by: moray eel, strangeToday, right before going to the United Center, I went to drop some DVD's off at the video store. I saw a large man carrying an instrument case down Irving Park Road... on top of this man's head was a fez.
I don't think I've seen anyone wearing a fez in public in 20 years. I took this to be a good sign.
I was excited. Great band, great fans, and good omens...
On the way to the United Center, I ran into Hoops. He asked me if I knew Walter. I said, "No".
Hoops quickly excused himself a hurried ahead on his way to the show. I had failed the "gear slut" test.
Several minutes later, I realized what happened.
I wanted to run after him and tell him that I did know Walter, and that I believed that he was a "gear slut extraordinare", but I had had a few drinks at that point and running was out of the question.
The password had failed. I could not join the clique.
As for the show, it went pretty well. I had never been to the United Center for a concert before and the sound wasn't horrible. It wasn't great either. The horns were kind of lost in the mix at times.
Fagen slipped up on the lyrics a little, but his voice was strong and clear. In my opinion, Herington stole the show. I've seen him play several times before, but tonight he was on fire. Killer stuff!
Set list:
Yes: Babylon Sisters, Black Cow, Home At Last.
No: Do It Again, Blues Beach, The Last Mall, Reelin' In The Years
Fagen and Becker gave each of the back-up girls a gift... The Chicago Manual Of Style.
www.chicagomanualofstyle.org
m.e.
Posted by: I feel just like an iceatope, Donald and Walter, what can I say,,,,, please play pixaleen when I see you at PNC Arts Center!!!! And Jones Beach, and Hershey, and Philadelpia!!! I know people want to hear the old stuff, but I think your fans who listen all the time would love to hear the new cd! You know, in 2000 i would have wanted the old, but for some reason, I just love this new cd this time around, heck with the people who want to hear the old the new feels right and I would llove to hear more of it!
I love you guys, and really hate to see negative press about ya! I just dont think people get it
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, interuptedHey D-Eff-D ~
Thanks for the info. Tired, sleepy, and a lil' bit brain~dead here. Did one of those links actually have a setlist in it? Or a general (and enlightened) review of the show itself? Expiring minds want to know . . .
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home At LastAG Neg Gal...
As I was trying to say...yeah, I had the day off yesterday, and was all excited to see the setlist today from MN and compare to previous shows, but ... alas no word. Somebody below was kind enough to post 2 newspaper reviews to which I say - damn fast.
But looks like the Dan fans were beaten by the Minnesota media!
Anyhow, I was getting a little excited when I saw the words "Everything Must Go" in the review, and had to re-read the sentence as they were referenced the new songs they played in the show from their new album "EMG". Anyhow, I would really like to see that song live.
Jive ... the show this tour is great. My opinion on Donald's voice from Konocti show was that is was great. Sounded really strong, and I was listening with critical ears after first allegations to the contrary. I think any variance in his delivery was attributed to him just wanting to put an expressive twist to certain verses. Show is very strong...you'll enjoy! I can't wait to see them again in Concord.
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, friend, if it isn't youYou rang?
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home At LastAG Neg Gal...
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, in girlie troubleAug 7: St. Paul, MN : XCEL Center
Ok, I know it is probably just me, but did this show happen, are there any setlists or reviews, or did I skip dimensions and just miss out; WTF?
As far as all of the "Ooooh, Donald is so dreamy" postage here recently, all I can say is that the man definitely has a certain "je ne sais quoi" about him, as does Walt. Intelligence and cleverness and original talent can never be over-rated. These guys are severely special and always will be. Sexy? Yeah, in an unexpected, disarmingly captivating deep and geeky way, they got it all goin' on ; )
Freddy can we cut to the chase?
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - Hey DartwomanI saw the band do Deacon Blues at the 2000 concert in Irvine, CA. Stayed precicely true to the original. Why not, of course, since it is a perfect sonf with no need for re-engineering or embellishment.
This song just simply brought the house down. Every skin surface was filled with goosebumps.
Steely Dan plays with this crazy mixture of power, confidence, cool detatchment and soulfulness, yet even when polished to a chrome sheen, there is a certain warmth and intimacy in their live shows. They are so freaking smart, yet they perform to please and wow.
Deacon Blues had a different feel from every other song on the setlist. You really got the sense that this was Donald's moment to bear his soul and pour every ounce of emotion into this one song. Exhausting and exhilerating. His anthem. You could tell from Donald's voice and from his body language that the song was written and inspired by the most emotional, painful and riveting times in his life. He was not just singing, he was re-living his past then and there. It was pure magic.
Posted by: DartWoman, Blossom '03How much would one have to pay or pray to have Hey Nineteen or Janie Runaway be replaced with Deacon Blues?
If that could happen for the Cleveland concert, I would be such a happy woman . . .
The only change I would make to the setlist.
Robin
Whose feathers are ruffling at the thought of next week's concert!
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DCI've read several live concert reviews from newspapers and loyal Dan Fans her in the Bluebook. Every single reviewer has heaped gushing praise upon the band. Particularly Carlock, Weiskopf, Herington, Walter and the lovely choir. A bit less on Barney, and little mention of Cornelius and the other horns, other than the fact that they are one heckuva "in the pocket" supporting cast. Very little mention of Mr. Baker on piano. I'm a little surprised, given that piano has been an integral part of SD, to a more or less degree, through the years.
During the plush, unforgetable 2VN 2000 tour, Baker had a magnificent segue into Josie. Help me out here - the previous song was from 2VN, possibly Janie Runaway. Katie Lied was undoubtedly SD's strongest piano album, infusing some of the songs with an almost gospel feel. Yhe piano solo on Glamor Profession (obviously one of my all-time fave SD works) was something I loved and wanted to hear more of.
To my point - while the band is getting consistent raves, Donald's voice seems to be a point of contention. I've heard everything from his voice is stronger than it's been in years, to his phrasing is clipped and his pipes are fading fast (like that everlasting summer). The irony is that Donald takes some vocal risks on EMG, like the falsettos on TIMTM and Pixeleen, near falsetto on Gina, and of course, straining the upper ranges on the title track. He sounds great, that knife edge sneer ("snarky" has been oft used to describe the feel); however, engineers can also perform near miracles in the studio. I love the sound! Hell, he's 55, and he's never been Bing Crosby (who of course could never pull off Throw Back the Little ones, among all others).
I'd like to hear from someone who has actually seen them this tour, and I want a cool, dispassionate, objective, unbiased assessment. Too much to ask?
Borgata in AC on 8/30. What a summer sendoff!!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYes Crack Whore, I know. I've been posting for months about the Mach 2 phenomenon and your posts are excellent. However there are quaquaversal issues which I am curious to see how they are resolved by the live band.
Posted by: DACW , PeterQ: I gues it may BE me or whatherah:
"Date: Fri, August 08, 2003, 02:11:06 ET
Posted by: DACW ,
Jive: yes, yes...I've taling about this in the other book. The outtro to Lunch with Gina is Masterful! Listen how the staccato horn section you mention interacts with Carlock's drums, Fagen's midi thingy...then it swings then resets like a round with different ovices communicating. THIS IS THE KEY TO STEELY DAN II...sophisticated communication between multiple voices...I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who heard this. What a Shame About Me or the outtro to Gaslighting Abbie or the instrumental break on Negative Girl or the wild intro to EMG are prime examples...
That's the difference between SD II and SD I...While the lyrics were more arcane in I and more linear as mentioned in the NPR interview with II, the music has gone from LINEAR ear candy in SD I where a sequence of crack solos or themes is presented with stellar accompanyment. In contrast, in SD II - TvN and EMG are more 3-D musical chess or better a Dance...
In fact on EMG, the instrument voices not only react, interact communicate (like trading 4s on GreenBook) but they also ANTICIPATE like Walter's guitar solo on GodWhacker or the sax intro to EMG giving a sneak preview of the bridge...more of the Ellington structure...
I first heard this on Century's End in full - check out the synth blues harp solo...and there's a bit in the My Rival instrumental break (played twice)..."
Rex: My understanding is that the band hits the stage at 8pm...a little early woudn't hurt - you might catch the Soundcheck...I'm bringing an 8 and 10 year old...they'll sleep on the road back...
Posted by: father william, Boulder, CoThe start time printed on the Denver show tickes was 7:00 PM and the actual start time was about 7:30.
Posted by: Rex, Grapevine TXTicketmaster had a 6:30 start date on their website for the Dallas show and printed that time on the tickets as well. Here's the response I got back from Ticketmaster when I questioned this.
"The time we have listed for Steely Dan on September 21, 2003, is 6:30p.m. This is the time when the doors will open. For the time when the artist will be onstage, we recommend that you contact the Box Office directly for further assistance. We apologize for any inconvenience."
I've never seen when the gates open listed on a ticket before..well that wasn't the only screwup on the Ticketmaster site. 6:30 would have been a nice start time though. It's a school night and I'm taking my 11 year old.
Posted by: Evita, GAGretchen, Honey, you are on the money. I've had a crush on Donald for 30 years, and he is SO cool. And hip, and funny, and everything!!
Posted by: The Bending End, RIRE: "Can't explain Donald's dope comment at Berklee except perhaps as an oblique reference to Walter's well-known past."
This was also one of my reactions to the comment, plus, maybe a reference to damage he's seen first-hand in other musicians as well.
I did read once how DF considered the rather short time he spent in Boston at Berklee [it may have been a summer, or so] to be kind of a waste because he spent too much time just smoking dope.
My point is that they are now BOTH present and accounted for and are doing great work. They went through what many of us went through during the '70s, lived to tell about it, and can now comment from their own experience. I thought it was notable that of all the things Donald could have said within a brief comment at that commencement, he chose to quote that particular Mose Allison lyric.
Posted by: bluprintblu, faltering linesBones, I seem to be losing transmission......
Posted by: bluprintblu, my roomSorry guys for the repeat deja-vu again episode but my refresh reload was lost in a momentary alpha state...
Posted by: bluprintblu, lunching with rubyI just wanted to know if everyone has checked the boys out on their website in the cab with hbo....so funny...luv the blonde girl...
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYWell one of the most obvious differences in the Mach 2 period is that they are more interested in being a conventional band with a regular roster. This is in part due I believe to the incoherence of the referral system whereby for example Joe Sample refers Paul Humphrey, Phil Woods refers Charlap, etc. Although Walter is also known to call people up out of the blue and ask for a tape, without having networked.
Posted by: bluprintblu, my roomGretchen! I swear we are totally sympatico when it comes to Donald. I tell you girl, he has such game. It's his brain. No girl can resist the way he writes about the ladies...lanquid and bittersweet
Posted by: bluprintblu, my roomDonald's drug is Libby Titus....
Posted by: h, Thanks for the correction. Whatta drummer!
jim
Posted by: Correction, Thanks Hoops, but I believe the link is http://www.dandom.com/carlock
Will check it out
Posted by: hoops, One thing I think we all agree, Keith Carlock is one of the stand-out points of this tour. There are several great pages on Keith including some great Windows Media Player They're tied all together at
http://www,dandom.com/carlock
http:/www.dandom.com/carlock
There are links on the left side and the movie clips are on the bottom.
As posted a couple of months ago, Pete Fogel made some kick-ass video clips of Keith in action with Oz Noy and Will Lee. These are also linked on the page. You'll need a fast connection for three of those, BUT the fourth and final is designed for those of you with slower modem connections. Check that out if you are on a modem or click on http://www.lebarbat.com/oz1Lo.wmv
Otherwise go to http://www,dandom.com/carlock
http:/www.dandom.com/carlock for the whole shibang.
Looking forward to the Danfest here in Chicago—a mile and an hour away. I'm sizzling like an isotope. See you there!
jim
Posted by: Bill , PittsburghDon't think he did, just smoked some weed like everyone else in the 70s. DF had writers' block/stage fright for a good bit of the "dark" years between Nightfly and Kama. Somewhere I read a great interview that described his long distance relationship with Walter during that time, when Donald would collect autographs from jazz legends in NYC clubs and send them to Walter who was going through his own renewal in Hawaii.
Can't explain Donald's dope comment at Berklee except perhaps as an oblique reference to Walter's well-known past.
I'm surprised they didn't do any Mose Allison covers on PianoJazz - his stuff would have been a perfect fit. Also, small-band versions of EMG and Blues Beach would have been great promos for the new CD, but it wasn't even finished yet at the time.
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, bored in ctI don't think I ever heard Don had a drug problem....
Posted by: The Bending End, RIThe Mach 2 period differs from the past in that neither principal is battling a substance abuse issue. Note DF's use of a Mose Allison lyric at the Berklee commencement:
"When you move up to the city, there's just one thing I hope / You don't take money from a woman / and don't start messin' around with dope." [http://www.steelydan.com/berklee.html]
WB has never looked so healthy.
Posted by: Gary, New JerseyWell.....its coming down the home stretch ....less than 10 days until PNC in NJ....Can't wait. I'll be in section 103 row K (11th row center). If anyone wants to meet me at the gig, e-mail me back.
Posted by: YGK, NYCHey all - enjoying the reviews, etc. Here's just a bit of a plug and some other info:
I've just booked Core NYC at Le Bar Bat for Thursday, September 18th - early show: 7PM......
We're doing new material on our next album, currently titled, "Hide 'n Sleep". And it's funky.
I will keep you all posted, and hopefully, some of you can show up.
I will be at PNC Aug 17 in the Orchestra Section with the Lovely Lady Bayside and another friend of mine.....we will be quite the 3some.....
Also at Jones Beach, 4th row, I think......both Roselands - hope to meet some of you......
and that everyone is well........
ygk
Posted by: KD, ChiEverything, they're telling me, must go:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2003/08/05/starbucks05.DTL&type=printable
Posted by: slinkyredfoot, Avenue ETICKET ALERT FOR TONIGHT'S CONCERT. Just got a call from WXRT and I won front row tickets for tonight (I'm still in shock). Consequently, I have two 19th row main floor seats for sale. They are $85 dollar seats, but I will pass on some of my good fortune and sell the pair for $100. I'll be hitting the road from Michigan soon so if anyone's interested please call my cell phone after 12:00 noon Central time. 708-205-2795.
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter-I want to be on the research team. Mach 2. In what realm? Meanings, connections, relation of 2VN to EMG? Enlighten me.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWe are beginning to research the period of Steely Dan we now identify as Mach 2, that is, 2VN and later, in all phases, musical, lyrical, whatever. Who has thoughts, beliefs, opinions? Etc.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynGretchie - about a month ago several dozen people chimed into a discussion on this very subject here on these very pages. It's too exhausting to rehash but if you scroll back you will see many conflicting opinions. The bottom line is that with very few exceptions an emotional condition is never explicitly stated, only suggested.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghThat would probably be Kid Charlemagne, right between the instrumental bridge and the beginning of the first guitar solo, with about two bars of solo piano. Check out AIA version. They also did something like that in the AIA arrangement of Sign In Stranger with a quiet, jazzy horn-section interlude.
> have a question I haven't seen voiced here yet
is there a song or two on the new DAN tour where the band stops on a dime with a quiet little interlude and then a nanno second later jumps back in?
Posted by: Gretchen, PS I never thought a guy 15 years my senior could send me the way Don does. Couldn't you just give him a big hug? God, I'd love to...(I won't get into it here)
Posted by: Shaun, next show for me is ColumbusBig Fan- Thanks for the links.
Isn't funny that two Minn newspapers reviewed the show. One said Fagen's voice wasn't good the other said it was great. The one reviewer hated the show the other reviewer loved it. It's all a matter of taste I guess.
Posted by: Gretchen, CTHONEYBUN-I'm with you!! I'm digging Don myself. I've always had a little "thing" for him but lateley he's just looking so hot and sexy I can't stand it! I have a full blown crush on this man! But I've loved their music since I was a kid, and their songs always had such a profound effect on me emotionally. I have to identify with someone who writes like him. I mean, what the hell goes on in his head? Is is one person who I'd love to converse with. He seems like he's so fun, in that offbeat, intellectual way. He's probably as weird as I am. But looking at him now gives me goosebumps! God, he's hot!
Posted by: Honeybun, PS. The guy who mentioned the 2VN dvd. The part where Don throws his head back and his glasses fly off.....hilarious! I wondered if anyone else saw that.
Honeybun
Posted by: Honeybun, I was looking back through the posts of the last few days and I am quite happy to know that the list of Don admirers is growing (Gretchen, bluprintblu). First of all I love Steely Dan; the musicianship, the lyrics the humour everything But I can't help digging Don. They are both better looking now than they were when they were younger but Don is cool because he is so unique I have never seen any other like him or heard a singing voice like his. He does look his best minus the glasses but his style is cool for the reason he makes things that are unhip, look cool. (I'm finding this hard to explain, does anyone know what I'm getting at?)
P.s He's also the only guy that could stand on stage with a Keytar and make it look cool!
Honeybun
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter-I don't understand....Sure there are lots of stories where the protagonist(s) are only observable from the outside. (Kid Char., Gaucho, Daddy don't live in NYC, Glamour Prof. etc etc). However, some of the most touching songs are those which reveal the inner angst of the protagonist, like Deacon Blue, The Nightfly, Home at Last, Aja, Bad Sneakers. That's the way I interpret those songs, maybe I identify with them in some other way. I think that's the point, though, you have to "get" SD in your own way. Bad sneakers has always made me teary.
Posted by: Big Fan, Rain Rain go awaySorry more newarticles - at least I hink they are new:
Interesting album reviews and interviews:
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/friday/1060335761303230.xml
http://www.freetimes.com/issues/1115/music-lead.html
http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2003-07-13-radiohead.shtml
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=7157
I can't remember reading this one before - sorry:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~206~1543566,00.html
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - it's raining againReviews onf MN concert:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/389/4031497.html
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/entertainment/music/6484765.htm
Album Review:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/entertainment/6429995.htm
Hoops et al - have fun tonight in the Windy City
Pre concert article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/custom/friday/chi-0308080371aug08,1,7166429.story
Posted by: wormy, new orleansI have a question I haven't seen voiced here yet
is there a song or two on the new DAN tour where the band stops on a dime
with a quiet little interlude and then a nanno second later jumps back in?
I recall this in 2k - think it was Janie Runaway - Ted Baker's piano takes over for just a brief delicious moment
went to check my comments from the Raliegh show but the 2000 archives have a gap from July 23 to Aug 1 - any conspiracy theorists here?
Posted by: slinkyredfoot, Avenue EJive Miguel -
Thanks for the decode - I didn't have my thinking cap on! Time for me to fry up my sad cuisine....
Posted by: ingrid klune, I don't mean to bust in on your scene, guys. Will one of you please help a sister out and let me know where I can find SD setlists for the last few dates??? pleasepleaseplease!
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - Slinkyredfoot - here's TIMTMThis will give it away:
"The talk, the sex, somebody to trust...the Audi TT...etc..."
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: slinkyredfoot, Avenue ENoticed a song on the Denver set list - TIMTM? What is that?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynJive Miguel - scroll back about 3 weeks, Rajah and I had an all day discussion about that repeating lyric. Black Cow is actually a connecting linchpin to about 5 other SD songs.
Gretchen - I don't see it so. In Steely Dan stories a person is usually only described in terms of their outwardly observeable behavior - the interior state is almost never described, referred to, or articulated.
Anyone and/or everyone: If you want to hear Phil Woods and Bill Charlap play without being handcuffed by a four minute pop song, get Phil Woods' new CD. Wow!
Posted by: Johnny Jumbo, Fair ArcturusAnybody else noticed the dark joke, of EVERYTHING MUST GO being the cynical, material-world underbelly of George Harrison's ALL THINGS MUST PASS yet?? How muffed Spirituality has become a bargain-basement clearance war at Mall-Mart? How "My Sweet Lord" became "Godwhacker," "Apple Scruggs" is now "Pixeleen," "I Dig Love" morphed into "Green Room," etc.?? (Just wondering.)
Posted by: Clas, PrincetonBob, just to give you an idea of how hard it over here;
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/steely
Posted by: dr Fill, Don't you fret Bobby Boy, you're not the only one. In this forum you're either with or against them.
Anyone here making songs, playing? We're about to make a Guestbook CD over at the real side, send your songs, poems or whatever to me.
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/drFill
Posted by: bob from katylied band chicago, chicagowe have the fox news sky box so we have some extra main floor
seats that i could give away to some dandom friends......and fans
contact katylied.tv....bob...and enjoy fridaynight....
Posted by: DACW , Jive: yes, yes...I've taling about this in the other book. The outtro to Lunch with Gina is Masterful! Listen how the staccato horn section you mention interacts with Carlock's drums, Fagen's midi thingy...then it swings then resets like a round with different ovices communicating. THIS IS THE KEY TO STEELY DAN II...sophisticated communication between multiple voices...I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who heard this. What a Shame About Me or the outtro to Gaslighting Abbie or the instrumental break on Negative Girl or the wild intro to EMG are prime examples...
That's the difference between SD II and SD I...While the lyrics were more arcane in I and more linear as mentioned in the NPR interview with II, the music has gone from LINEAR ear candy in SD I where a sequence of crack solos or themes is presented with stellar accompanyment. In contrast, in SD II - TvN and EMG are more 3-D musical chess or better a Dance...
In fact on EMG, the instrument voices not only react, interact communicate (like trading 4s on GreenBook) but they also ANTICIPATE like Walter's guitar solo on GodWhacker or the sax intro to EMG giving a sneak preview of the bridge...more of the Ellington structure...
I first heard this on Century's End in full - check out the synth blues harp solo...and there's a bit in the My Rival instrumental break (played twice)...
Posted by: Nazman, BabylonAngel
Exactly my impressions of the dynamic duo. It feels very much like Walter fills for Donald, protects him a bit, just has a sensitive flair for keeping everything flowing instead of kinda choppy which is how Donald can be in an interview.
Posted by: angel, I listened to the interview a few hours ago. Besides the Godwacker revelation, they also mentioned that the original Pixeleen didn't work out and this is actually another song that they made into Pixeleen. My 2 faves are 2nd Hand Roses. ;-)
My take on Walter seeming to dominate the interviews is that he sometimes protects Donald a bit. When things get slow and no one can think of something to say, Walter will do his best to fill. Part of that is also the fact that both of them tend to finish the other person's thoughts. So there is a lot of stepping on lines that goes on in their verbal trading fours and oneupmanship.
Posted by: John, Oops. Probably should spell the URL correctly. That's:
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/03tour.htm
Sorry for the typo.
Posted by: John, Hi all,
I'm trying to keep track of previews/reviews/critiques from the current tour, not just from traditional media, but also those posted online, at http://www.granatino.com/sdresrouce/03tour.htm
If anyone sees an article of this sort in the local media and could bring it to my attention, I would be most appreciative.
All best,
John
Posted by: KDizzle, Chimy hands smell like salmon, but when I make a salmon dip, I MAKE A SALMON DIP!
Gotta admit, I'm pretty bummed by the Fandom's reaction to the bloody brilliant set-lists the Dan have sent our way so far. It's almost on par with the, "why don't they hire a Larry Carlton-type for any of those EMG solos?"
Well, you know what Larry sounds like these days? He sounds like a molasses root canal. The man is brilliant, his fingers can fly and almost keep up with his mind, but in the end -- what did they say? It's ultimately well-crafted schlock. I like the smooth jazz as a laugh, on the cab ride home from the pub when I'm Schlitz-faced and among friends, but let's face it. Larry would put you to sleep.
And, the set-lists? You do realize this is Steely Dan, right? How many of us would put out a hundred bucks to hear the Orchestra run through all of "Can't Buy," then for the second set, mix some pre-1972 demos with a few choice Jay And the Americans cuts? They're THAT GOOD. They're THAT HIP. They're THAT COOL. Imagine any other band trying to pull off the "Mock Turtle Dance," rent considered or otherwise.
I can't wait to hear "Peg" live. I haven't heard Don's corny speil during "Hey 19," and I certainly haven't heard the "Janie Runaway/19" breakdown. My goose-bumps are getting goose-pimples thinking about the sublime Keith Carlock taking over "Josie" (solo or not), and I'll cut someone if they don't finish with "My Old School" and "FM."
Remember, I spent my formative Dan years assuming these guys would never take the stage. They hit it when I was 13, I got to see the show at age 20, and here I am (at age 23) about to take in my second Steely Dan show. That's more than I can say for a whole lot of cats that I respect dearly and hold in high regard.
That's one scenario.
The other is, "I paid money for the album, I borrowed money for the tour ... play what I want!!!"
Man, this is what I want.
This set list, these options, it works.
Look at what they've done.
Think about their biggest hits.
Reelin, Do It Again, Dirty Work, Rikki, Show Biz Kids, Bad Sneakers, Deacon Blues, WaSAM, Cousin ... all the solo stuff? Gone.
If they decide to introduce any of those numbers in tomorrow's show, the one I'm going to, then I'd be able to cut lines with my goosebumps.
If they don't, good times. It's the Dan, at the top of their game. Stand up for the entire concert and show them your respect.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghListening to the "extended" NPR interview. They say Godwhacker evolved out of an earlier song called "Greenmailing Bastard" if our boys are to be believed, and you know how they like to pull the legs of interviewers.
Also very interesting to hear the raw tape compared to the edited version. Some things appear to have been taken out of context.
It's a must hear. Someone with more patience than me should transcribe it.
Great to hear Donald crack Walter up with the perfectly deadpan "post-modernity march" wisecrack. That must be what their writing sessions are like.
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DCI'm sure that this has been analyzed ad nauseum, but has everyone here noticed the "in the corner of my eye" reference in both Black Cow and Things I Miss The Most? Yes, I'm sure you have. Same woman, 26 years later? Did she stick around after he told her to "get out of here" in 1977? A reconciliation? Did she turn the tables on him after nearly a quarter century, or did they just grow apart? Look at how their lives evolved through the decades, reeling in the sheaves. From precocious barflys in the 70's, to the corporate jet setters in the 90's.
Another observation - Lunch With Gina. For whatever reason, I seem to play that tune over and over. There is some very interesting horn work in the outro that I have never heard in any music. There are 2 little horn progressions during the outro and fade-out. One is pretty much terrific, vintage Steely Dan. The other is this bizarre, yet brilliant, sort of "flurry" out of phase sounding thing. Listen closely, it happens a few times, and it is yet another in a series of brilliant maneuvers from our boys.
Borgata, August 30, Atlantic City, row 22 right center. Life is good.
Looking for advice. What should my girlfriend and I wear?
Posted by: Gretchen, drinking my dinner from a paper sackPETER Q:
The show biz kids live an outrageous, decadent lifestyle in Hollywood. They do outrageous things, things a New Yorker like the guy in Black Cow would never do. His soon to be ex girlfriend looks "outrageous" like in outrageously beautiful. He's mad that she's leaving him for her "precious one" and has all this lust for her that's just made more intense by her dropping him. The "stagger" reference is more of a connection, because they're both behaving rather recklessly. The BC girl is probably a partier, acts on a whim, and runs to her new love in a drunken haze, maybe even indecisive. The Deacon Blue character staggers along recklessly because he almost doesn't care if he lives or dies. He is despondent, where as she is just confused, self-centered and careless with her action. Deacon Blue guy has a serious case of depression.
Posted by: Joey , " Me thinks Joey is a big bullshit artist!! "
You make Joey very sad .
Posted by: Mike Moore, "Everything Must Go" falls to # 116 on the "Billboard" chart, selling 9,579 copies in its 8th week for a total of 217,529 copies sold so far.
Randomly selecting other items on the chart, The Bad Boys II Sdtk. holds on to the # 1 spot for the 3rd week. Now 13 holds at # 2, selling 114,009 copies. (This series looks like it's starting to loose it's "sure platinum sales" status.) The only debut in the Top 20 is the new CD by LSG (Gerald Levert, Keith Sweat and Johnny Gill) at # 6. In his 54th week on the charts, Toby Keith moves up to # 20, 311 falls from # 7 to # 29, The Beach Boys move up to # 34, Train moves up to # 39 and the late Celia Cruz debuts at # 40, selling 24,311 pieces. Led Zeppelin falls to # 97. The Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac holds the # 200 spot, selling 5,507 copies.
Mike Moore
Posted by: babs, workMy computer at home is in the shop - and has been for the past week - but I just wanted to say "howdy" to all the greenroom-ites. Hopefully, I'll get the computer back tomorrow. I can't believe how much I've missed you all (and how much more work I've gotten done since chatting until all hours). Anyway, take care and, until I type with you all again ...
Babs
Posted by: JohnnyBoy, CHICAGODAN AND/OR DIE.......have one 85-bucker (face time/value) for CHICAGO TOMORROW (Friday/Aug 8) NIGHT, would love to make that back, will settle for less, increasingly, as we approach show time. As in, with 27 hours left to go now (5pm/Central), between now and at 7:59pm tomorrow = $3.14814814814814814814814814814815 less per hour.....e.g., $69.2592592592592592592592592592593 by 10pm tonight, $53.5185185185185185185185185185185 by 3am tomorrow, etc. (Rounding-off OK.......) PLEASE help me move this ticket!!!
Posted by: YGK, NYCMe Thinks, Denver:
"Joey...Speaking of Donald "not wanting to be there" Where the hell were you at YOUR OWN Danfest??
Me thinks Joey is a big bullshit artist!!"
This reminds me about a previous poster on the yellow, circa 1996, (not the Aja there now anyway), described herself as quite cute, young, 20-something, who held a Danfest during a California stop of the ArtCrimes tour...............and never showed. This, according to Kinky So-N-So, who was all hot to meet her......
sounds like a trend.....
But......."only a fool would say that........"
ygk
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYes and no...the mirror use of "stagger" in BC and Deacon Blues needs to be explained then. The word if I'm not mistaken does not occur in any other SD song, and here it shows up twice - why?
Posted by: bluprintblu, teahouse on the tracksPeter Q., I will say within themselves...."Like a gangster on the run, you will stagger homeward to your precious one...I'm the one who must make everything right. Talk it out till daylight".....
Posted by: hoops, chicagoOK, read it. The interview is in the Friday "Chicago Tribune" but on the web today.
Greg Kot has been stuck on "Pretzel Logic" as his favorite Steely Dan album as far back as his NY Rock and Soul Revue interview with Donald in 1992. (In that interview he said "Gaucho" was their worst album).
Regular readers of Kot's column in the Trib will be somewhat familiar with his remarks; Donald and Walter tell some of the stories we've heard in other interviews, BUT with their usual humor so it's a great read in that respect.
The article probably will be on the Trib's main home page until this time tomorrow. However, if it disappears from http://www.chicago.tribune.com, you can go to http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-030807dpsteely,1,5054382.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo451-fea
You will need to login.
jim
Posted by: CrellMoset, Stone Mountain, GAOk, well, I won two lawn seats to the August 12th show at Blossom, and it doesn't look like I'm gonna be able to make it - would anyone be interested in two uber cheap lawn seats? E-mail me, heh.
CrellMoset
Posted by: Me Thinks, DenverJoey...Speaking of Donald "not wanting to be there" Where the hell were you at YOUR OWN Danfest??
Me thinks Joey is a big bullshit artist!!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynHey Jim I'm glad you posted that article because it mentions SD used to read Stanley Elkin in college. Eureka! The much anthologized Elkin story "I Look Out For Ed Wolfe" is a SD song in prose. God damn! Wow! Thanks. I never thought to correlate the two. Thanks!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynIn other words how can you just "look outrageous" without actually being outrageous - is that possible? Are the Hollywood stars somehow more outrageous within themselves, psychologically inside, than the girl from Black Cow? Or if not, then what?
Posted by: hoops, Haven't had a chance to read it yet, but Our Heroes are on the cover of http://www.chicago.tribune.com
Posted by: bluprintblu, pearl of the quarterWow, I am somehow blushing and I don't know why! Suddenly just thought of a Brooklyn guy musing....Peter Q., what are you really trying to say, break it down for me in layperson's terms...I wanted so much to grasp your thoughts....and I am not being fecitious...
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynIn other words is the ascription of the state of consciousness "they're outrageous" equivalent to "lookin so outrageous." In the one they ARE; in the second she LOOKS; in the Dan semiotic vocabulary, is it one and the same?
Posted by: Greg, New OrleansI know, Bluprint. Believe me, the irony of Pearl of the Quarter has never been lost on me. Since I moved here in 1992, Steely Dan has not played here once. I have friends back home, lesser fans, who had seen them 4 times before I got to see them for the first time.
Posted by: bluprintblu, pearl of the quarter"They got the shapely bods, they got the Steely Dan t-shirt
And for the coup de gras, they're outrageous".......
Posted by: Greg, New OrleansHey all:
I have been watching this board with interest, and have a couple of longwinded and rambling comments:
1) The (sparse) info on setlists that I have seen turning up on this tour seems to show that SD is doing a lot of classic material, and throwing in 2, perhaps 3 new songs. Since Dan NEVER makes it to New Orleans, the 2vN tour was the first time I got to see them (then I had to go to Houston, this time I will be driving to Memphis... grr), and I was all about seeing them do Aja, FM, etc... all these songs I knew and loved but had never seen live. Plus, I wasn't all that enamoured with 2vN. This time around, I am throroughly in love with EMG. Love it. LOVE IT. I think in many ways (heresy!) it is an improvement over Aja and other faves, and I would ideally like to hear one set of EMG, a second set of classic stuff, and although I know that won't happen, I would like to hear more than just Last Mall and Blues Beach (certainly they could ditch Janie Runaway in favor of, perhaps, Pixeleen?). I think it is death for a band to tour only rehashing their old stuff. It is the first step to the casino circuit. Which leads me to my second point...
2) I was bummed (and a little surprised) to see that according to Billboard, sales of EMG apparently flatlined only about a week after its release. I don't think it is even in the top 200 anymore, and it was only released 7 or 8 weeks ago. Yet, I noticed that on Amazon, it is a not-too-shabby #9. What gives? Is this disc selling or not?
Greg
Posted by: Gretchen, the wolverine up to annandaleNazman-"Mr. Magnificent" he is, indeed!! Good name, all true! He's superb!
Posted by: Joey, " but we should remember that SD lyrics are written deliberately as sparsely filled matrices and they seemed to be doing looser versions of the songs. "
Huh ????????
You are dangerously close to making me start up my Smack Habit again .
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! Smmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmack !
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynGretch - no, I'm not confusing it. It's at the end of verse 2. Other lyrics lifted from/into Black Cow include "I'm the one"( Glamour Profession) and "In the corner of my eye" (TIMTM). We are about to publish a long paper on this and are checking last minute details.
Posted by: Gretchen, Peter, what other songs do you find Black Cow is related to? Curious about this, as I was trying to find a connection between "Josie" and "Pixeleen". (thinking Pixie may be Josie's daughter). Also, in Showbiz Kids, where is "outrageous" used? Are you confusing it with "lost wages?"
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWe are researching the conjunction of the use of "outrageous" in Show Biz Kids with its use in Black Cow. We have found Black Cow to be a causal linchpin to other Steely Dan stories, pointing directly to at least 4 other songsand initiating the "music-lyric connectivity axis", eg, pointed out by Barry's review of Aja in Rolling Stone. Any thoughts?
Posted by: Nazman, AnnandaleYou got that right, JP, the girls are quite a show in itself. Cynthia was unbelievable at Konocti!!! That's one of the reasons i like to be up close, not because i'm desperate but because being up close allows some delightful interactions with members of the band. Cynthia was stunning and gave Carolyn a run for the money. More than that she was so into the show, so obviously excited to be there - dancing, waving at people, charming folks and having a blast. I was really amazed by her energy. I read her story online - this is a really special human being. Carolyn was great and the other backup was just fine. The girls add a lot to the show as has been expressed. Mr Magnificent is always the main attraction, but he and Walt ain't no fools. They know what these girls bring to the Experience on a variety of levels. And what's not to love. It's a rip no matter how you slice it. An extravaganza, a blast of visual and musical excitement taking in a group of musicians CLEARLY at the top of their game - true professionals, polished, stylish and extremely vibrant. Can't wait til Concord...
Posted by: father william, boulderhoops - try fining 9EEEEEE - too wide for New Balance even.
Posted by: father william, Boulder, COhoops - altitude and hydration induced fatigue problems are common here for visitors. Don fluffed some of the lyrics but we should remember that SD lyrics are written deliberately as sparsely filled matrices and they seemed to be doing looser versions of the songs.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWhat is up with this "he missed a lyric" nonsense? Party on people! I have my fez ready for Jones Beach.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoSorry I haven't finished my Denver comments, nor emailing about a dozen of you. I will get to you. (Pre-semester classes for new grads just started in the past couple of days.)
Regarding Donald having an off night or not at Denver. Yeah, there were some mistakes but that happens to everyone, right? I mean, I spent about $500 on the show and I thought it was still worth it ("I spend a lot of money and I spent a lot of time --The trip we made in Denver Is etched upon my mind ").
Here's another angle--not that I know it for sure, but I'll tell you I was kinda out of it the whole time I was in Denver and people kept telling me it was altitude. Was that it? Hey, I dunno, but let's just give the guy a break--and I understand that you might be a little more disappointed if you could only catch Denver.
I was just floored that Walter did "Haitian." He owns it!
So I haven't seen anyone mention Donald's sparkley shirt he wore. Pretty flashy for The Man. Speaking of clothes, I get a kick out of the New Balance shoes on the tour artwork. I had to switch to New Balances a few years ago after many years of Converse bad sneakers when the quality and padding went down (Yes, it's true, 14EEEE). Speaking of shoes and having to put one's self in DF's place, "Imagine your face/There is his place/Standing inside his New Balance shoes " Or does Walter wear those?
More later this PM when work slows down as if you care.
Fly low, be cool. Peace,
jim
Posted by: hoops, BOB
Now that you have been caught, you apologize. Do you realize the negative impact you had on the place, or that I had to go take time from work and money to sort out that you were doing this?
Do us all a favor and a) don't post any more and b) stay away from us tomorrow.
Regarding the reevaluation of the format here:
Unless someone has a reason that's urgent--and I would certainly entertain that possibility--let's hold off on debating a format switch until after the tour. Dave lists some good reasons. Thanks in advance for being so cool about it everyone For the time being, I'd rather have to track down occassional BOB than to implement a passworded format, etc. Please email me at hoops@dandom.com if you want to discuss this more.
Thanks!
jim
Posted by: Gretchen, Maybe Don was tired, or hot, or just plain snarky. (His snarkiness is one of the reasons I love him so)! He seems to be laissez-faire on most occasions, though. It's just the introvert in him, methinks. 18 more days to Mohegan!
Posted by: BOB, First, I would like to apologize to Hoops and the SD fans for my chicanery. I did make some post using different names. That was immature on my part.
All post that were made under "Bitter Bob" are my true feelings. I was receiving so much flack that I decided to use different names to support my feelings. I take full resposibility. My E-Mail is legit and if anyone would like to have a discussion regarding my opinions,
I would love to chat.
In conclusion, Sd is one of my favorite bands. I expect so much from them. They have never disappointed me in the past. I really believe that they are not giving us 100%. I hope that changes. I will be in Sectionn 2 row 16 tomorrow at the UC cheering the boys on!
Rational,
BOB
ps. Please easy up on the grammatical errors.
Thanx!
Posted by: fezo, Newsflash:
DF rarely if ever acts like he's particularly delighted to be on stage. That's part of his grumpy charm.
You're better off burning chicken bones and checking the resulting ash color if you want a reliable predictor for the current status of the relationship of our heroes
Posted by: RCray, NYCCheck this out:
http://buzz.yahoo.com/music/
The Dan are being googled.
Posted by: RCray, NYCYes the Clarkston Union is still in existence. I was just in Motown for the Chicago concert a few weeks back. For those of you who might not be familiar, it used to be a church and now it is a bar/restaurant with a huge variety of beer. The food is quite good too.
Posted by: Joey, " And then I started to think about this talk of DF doing a solo album, WB's more-prominent role on EMG, DF flubbing lyrics, etc., and started to wonder if there may be some strain in their relationship "
My Sentiments EXACTLY !!!!
Walter was THE highlight of the Denver Gig . Donald acted like he really did not want to be there and that was unfortunate considering the size of the crowd -- about 15,000 Easy .
Perhaps Three Shows in Four Days IS a bit excessive though .
Joey !
Posted by: Neil Rudish, West of DetroitDETROIT/CLARKSTON, 8/11 UPDATE: The Danfest list has been picking up, but we're kicking around a couple of places...either Big Buck Brew Pub north of the Silverdome (aka the Pontiac Eyesore), or perhaps a re-do of the Clarkston Union (if it's still in existence). Hop on the list if you're interested or have any more ideas.
Sign up for the list at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/detroit
Also, I may have three available extra tickets for Pine Knob (aka DTE Energy Music Theater), pavillion. They're way off to the side, right section. I'll know by tomorrow for sure, and can advise the seats if anyone is interested. (Best seating chart for "The Knob" aka "DTE" is at http://www.palacenet.com under "venues".) I'd part with them for face value or a *little* less. Film at eleven.
And Hoops--I'm all for a "threaded" board...put my vote in appropriately. ;-) I'm partial because I run a few of them, including a handful that use phpBB. One advantage is that you can turn on a registration requirement, making it easier to deal wtih the "impostors" who reply to themselves. Don't worry about threads not being read either--I know from my own browsing habits that if it's a favorite topic, I read every thread anyway...and a lot of others do, even if they're not 100% interested in the topic. (I still have two that use WebBBS...but it's a dinosaur in comparison.)
Anyhoo, four more days until The Dan makes it to Detroit, with lots of money in the bank. ;-)
-= N =-
Posted by: JP, unhappily not St Paul Rcray, Do you mean the Cynthia Calhoun Show? Yow! Now there’s a born entertainer. The singers were all great. They were goofing around with improv dance moves, hand waves and claps all night. Parkers Band w/o the Don was like a whole new song. There was one sour note in the chorus to Slang, but other than that the “girls, girls, girls” were precision itself. You’re lucky to have The Steely Dan Show to look forward too!
Posted by: DAVIS, BostonWanted to weigh in on seating and venues. I have read many of posting what terrific seat you have for the concerts, front row, 2nd row, 10th row. All good and everything, But depending on the venue, the best place is actually 20-25 rows back for sound puposes. I have seen them many times from front row center, to 30th row, and 30th row by far had much better sound quality. I mean, isnt that what it's all about?
Posted by: HeyMike, Billy Goat BoundWKreuger LA--i wanted to email this to you but you didnt post an Email address and sorry to harp on this but it bugged me. Monies and Moneys--ones possessive and the other is plural. And bad grammer is certainly fine(theres some for ya!)But BOB is the one telling us how bright we was..(glad he's gone BTW)
tick tick tick FRIDAYS ALMOST HERE!
14th row here I come!
Posted by: RCray, NYCFor those of you lucky enough to have seen a show how have the backup singers performed?
It seems that the Dan like to incorporate them each year like on Dirty Work and Pretzel.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: The Bending End, RIWhile listening to the NPR interview--especially the extended version--I got the impression that WB has a tendency to interrupt DF in a manner that I would find irritating. It reminded me of Siskel & Ebert--how Siskel appeared to be the more dominant personality in the earlier years, and then Ebert started to assert himself more and more as time went on.
And then I started to think about this talk of DF doing a solo album, WB's more-prominent role on EMG, DF flubbing lyrics, etc., and started to wonder if there may be some strain in their relationship.
The Nightfly project, so soon after Gaucho, was understandable given WB's poor health at the time. It somehow seems suspect to do a solo album at this point.
It's all speculation, but I couldn't help wonder about it.
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, beautiful monterey"AGNG: Jerome was the bus driver...they're lucky to be here, backpack defribrillators and all! uhhhh...hottub?"
Thanks for the info. Yeah, they are lucky to be here if he was at the wheel!
So CrackWhore, you talkin' 'bout soundcheck? Was that you? On second thought, now I am confused, because soundcheck joe said he didn't post at Sign in Stranger, just the BlueBook, so I guess that is not you. Hmmm, another little mystery. I am not awake yet. More coffee please!
Posted by: Gretchen, HOOPS!
Thank you!!!
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliUna sistah en McD tell me I hav "white boy droop." Que?! What it means? Yo pregunto a Don Carlos, "Por favor, que quiere decir en Ingles, 'white boy droop'?" Pero en este exacto momento MUZAK EN MICKEY D PLAY JACK YOUR SPEED! YAI! Solamente musica, no Ronald Fagen cantando. Don Carlos canta:
"Eddie smokin now, he
Need a light
Playin handball with his
Second wife"
El siempre fuck up the lyrics. I workin the "drive in window" and keepin the time on the countertop como mi conga. "Buenas noches, may I take your order por favor?"
"Yes, may I have six happy meals, eight large cokes-"
"Eddie smokin now, he
Need a light"
"What? Hello? Can I have six happy meals-"
Manayer fire us immediatamente but no nos importa - we have gig doing voiceover TV commerciales para "Raid Ant and Roach Killer, Kills Bugs Dead In Your Home" y tambien, Johnson Academy of Beauty - "Pencil Needed to Apply." Si no esta bien enotnces we line up un gig dressing up as chickens (pollo) in costumas y stand outside the Jack's Chicken Shack give the menus to the peepil.
Posted by: Mike, LondonWith regard to Jerome Atoine. I saw the Dan in London about 30 years ago. I am sure that this guy did the intros then. The band was late on stage, but some guy built up the excitement telling us that we were going to see the best show in the world etc. etc. I seem to remember someone in the group playing conga drums. I always thought it was him. Could be the memory playing tricks though .., any comments?
I'm coming over to see the band play in Santa Barbara next month. We'll be travelling around a bit and will be reluctant to leave valuable in the hotel. I notice that there is a long list of items not allowed into the stadium, including cameras. How strict are they over in California? Do you get frisked? Do you get sent home, if you have a camera? What's the etiquette concertwise? Would appreciate any suggestions.
Mike
Posted by: , TIMM-EHHHHHHH!
Posted by: steelydoubt, i was watching south park and some guy said "lets kill god". its a new episode so maybe some writers like the dan.
Posted by: Nazman, AnnandaleAnybody help me find the
alt.(steely dan) newsgroups. need the exact name of their
alt. newsgroups
Posted by: DACW, AGNG: Jerome was the bus driver...they're lucky to be here, backpack defribrillators and all! uhhhh...hottub?
Father William: Windy? I hope they play Stormy...they do a mean Dennis Yost and the Classics IV imitation!
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, out of the rainThanks Naz ~ The man introducing the band before they break into Bodhisattva is Jerome Aniton. I have never heard the official version of how that came about--rumor I heard is that they pulled him off the street and gave him the honor-- but it is safe to say that Mr. Aniton was shit-faced to the max, and had a wonderful way with words, along with no clue as to whom he was introducing. I think that recording captures a little capsule of Steely Dan history very nicely. Fagen laughing in the background is priceless. Wish I'd been there..
Posted by: Nazman, AnnandaleAGNG
Nice post. Well said. We got an old saying in our coveted little Frontal Lobe Society...something like "step right up, there's room for everyone..." Same should apply for any and all who hold reverence and regard for the infamous Steely Dan...legends that they are...
Posted by: Nazman, AnnandaleStill getting acclimated to the Bluebook so i may occasionally cover topics that have already been discussed. Forgive me if and when that is the case...
At any rate was out to dinner w/ my wife and two kids tonight when the discussion on the way home turned to Steely Dan. My 11 year old takes an interest in the band because of his recent progress on sax and of course his father's obsession. Kinda cool the way this adoration passes from generation to generation.
My wife and i were revisiting some special moments from Konocti. Of course we got ripped at the concert. But afterward, we visited a couple of the clubs there on the premises dreaming we'd run into the boys playing impromptu on the small stage as a huge surprise. Didn't happen so we went back to our little bungalow (let's face it, no other music was gonna cut it after seeing the gang live) and continued the party there. Good spirits and more SD from the 4CD set anthology. We kept playing the one CD that featured the live cut where this unknown individual (clearly intoxicated) is introduing the band in Santa Monica right before they tear into Bodhisatva. The intro is totally hilarious. We listened to it many times that night and that weekend because it says it all about Mr. Magnificent, etc. Anybody there that night in Santa Monica some years back that can tell me more about who that was and how that intro came about. If it was already covered then feel free to drop me an email if the spirit moves you.
And thanks again, to Hoops, Gretchen and all the rest of you hearty fans for being a part of the ongoing party here at the BlueBook. Real glad i found this place. Learn a lot but mostly just love sharing all the good vibrations, the sheer delight of indulging one another in our deepening affections for the band, the music, and the Experience....
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, Have a great show, SSTerp84! I am sure that you will love it. Guaranteed good time. Don't worry about catching shit here for being new here. That treatment seems to be reserved mainly for men. Ladies seem to get alot more slack.
To a couple of you folks who post here: I don't care how smart you are, how well you write, how many right-on points you make, how much I may agree with many of your ideas; if you use those wonderful qualities you possess to try to make a newcomer feel unwelcome then you are being a "Danner-than-Thou" asshole. Plain and simple, just like that. Discouraging people from posting here is a bad thing. I want to hear everyone's ideas. Especially someone who is willing to take a chance, cough up the dough, and go see their first live Steely Dan show. I am curious to hear their take on the show, especially when they come from a different musical background than I do. Go ahead, call 'em on it, but please don't go out of your way to make them feel like coming here and speaking up was a bad idea.
Can we please try to be a little more welcoming here to the people who are sincerely posting about this band and all the current events surrounding them? I don't think it is too much to ask. You can go back to sniping at each other and being cleverly cruel once the tour is over. There is certainly enough shit in the world already. In the meantime, let's try to encourage participation and an open, freeflow of ideas from everybody.
light, love, music, magic, peace ~
linda
Posted by: father william, boulderhoops - sounds like my experience but I missed Wendy. Damn!
Posted by: terpsichore48, GeorgiaI just want to say that I love Steely Dan, and at 55 years of age, am going to my first Dan concert, and nobody better say anything negative to me about Donald and Walter. They rule!!!!!
Posted by: Susan Shepard, GeorgiaI just want to say that I love Steely Dan, and at 55 years of age, am going to my first Dan concert, and MOBODY better say anything negative to me about Donald and Walter. They rule!!!!!
Posted by: hoops, jaco:
Thanks for the suggestion--always welcome and encouraged,. I *do* have such a threaded/"by-topic" version of this place and in fact it was one of the prototypes. *IF* there's demand, I can put it back up. There is also the alt board and yahoo groups. Just to think again, how would it be different from those two? I'm open.
However, through the years, I have found that this format makes people scan things and read and respond to things they normally wouldn't if they only picked the topics they liked.
We can set a green room chat for this at some point.
Columbus & Cleveland Danfest
Columbus has been a little cool in terms of Danfest organization, athough those subscribed to that Dandom list have had a few emails recently. Challenge for the Columbus is that the list is relatively new.
Cleveland has been very busy and if you are signed up for that Danfest, you should get the discussion. Seems like a steak house meeting, if not in Blossom's Beer Garden.
Make certain you are on the local mail lists:
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/columbus
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/cleveland
Joey:
Myself and others went to every table and every part of the bar in Denver. The hostess who had the list of parties and tables had no listing for "Joey," "Danfest" nor under your real name. I filmed is running aounr asking over and over again, "Are you Joey?" and the theme was "Where's Joey?" That lead s us to the topic of conversation: Does Joey Exist?" We worried Joey had an attack of something. But, no worry, Wendy Liu was prettier as Danfest hostess :-)
More later...
jim
Posted by: Jaco, UKLaina: Couldnt agree more.
Hoops: In respect to the large number of readers and posters here, I think a message board style forum would work better than the scrolling guestbook format. The Blue Book is great - dont get me wrong! Just I think I would prefer to scan thread titles such as "Fagen Vs Jarrett" or "Anyone heard the demo of Black Cow?" or "Favourite Solo track" etc. Also, editing would be available etc etc.
Well, just my idea. I'm sure it's occured to you long ago.
Thanks again for such a great place of highly interesting Steely Dan content!
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: Laina, sitting by the shoreWouldn't it be nice if we did have an edit button? Or how about a full message board layout (www.phpBB.com for example)? We can always dream...
sipping wine coolers in my dreams
Lainalove
Posted by: Nazman, er, Disociative Identity Disorder. We need an edit button...
Posted by: Nazman, DID being Disociate Identity Disorder otherwise known as MPD, Multiple Personality Disorder for those of you not up to snuff on Mental Health business. I think it's quite a piece of investigative work, Duke, making the revelation that Mr Robmail is stooping to such depths to stake his claims...
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KYQuick call for assistance:
In the latest Dandom Digest I saw a notice that things are coming together for a DanFest in Columbus and Cleveland. I signed up on the danfest registry but haven't heard anything about them. Would someone please send me some info about these?
I never have any luck with mailing lists. I'm surprised the digest even reaches me at all ...
El Sup
Posted by: Laina, La CruzI'm just laughing at the fact that there are trolls on this site! Trolls with DID at that! I guess no board is really safe from them, huh?
*shaking my head*
Lainalove
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, ChiHey all ...
I had a family member drop out of my par-tay, so I have an extra ticket for the August 8th show at the United Center.
This is a primo ticket, 8th row.
Shoot me an email at kdonhoopsTAKEOUT@aol.com , I don't really want to post my phone number on the internet. Tomorrow, if nobody has replied, I'll post. I don't want to be out 85 bucks.
Posted by: um... JP?, pdxBill, Like I said, in y2k my seats were sooo far back it was almost like not seeing them. But it was here in Portland at the Rose Center, and as I recollect they had Walter, Herington (I think) and some young guy who they announced as "hailing from Corvallis" (OR.) Or maybe the eyestrain had me seeing double (there is only one WB.) In any event, not taking anything away from the y2k/TvN group, I still think this tour is better. The pocket on Godwhacker was incredibly crisp last Friday.
Sockpuppets... whadaya gonna do?
Posted by: THE EARL OF DUKE OF EARL, CHICAGOOPEN LETTER TO ROB-MAIL: WOW......had to go away for a couple of hours (something about actually earning some monied moneys, honeys), but HEY, ROBMAIL - don't know who you are, and I luv ya buddy, but....you have NO clue as to what you're talking about. As in, I don't even know where to BEGIN to describe HOW wrong you are, and WHY.
The word "prime" has to do with things like "aging," and "improving." If you're going to compare The Dan to Yes, in that regard, I'm ready for ya: last summer I spent 50 bucks to sit in the uppermost nosebleed section of the Chicago Theater, and SURE, they were GREAT. (Other than Chris Squire's solos, which over the years have become increasingly uninventive: he seems to be really PROUD of the fact that he at least USED to be Chris Squire, and "Gee, I can really snap this E-STRING, really LOUD, and even make you WAIT FOR IT, can't I....???" The guy's become an amazing hambone in that regard.....love his playing within their music, still, but....come ON big guy, give us a BREAK....)
In total contrast, witness if you will the increasing sweetness of Walter's guitar work. In fact, his total coming-to-the-fore over the past decade has been the nicest thing, for me, about SD: just as THE NIGHTFLY was THE album of the 80s, bar none ---- and how sad for Donald, that ToTo Bolivian-marched off with so many Grammys in 1983 (...nothing against the late, great Jeff Porcaro, of course, but, "99" versus "Maxine," or "Africa" versus "The Goodbye Look," or ANYTHING versus "New Frontier" or "I.G.Y.">???? PLEASE....SPARE me!!) ---- 11 TRACKS OF WHACK was the most astonishing, wonderful surprise to be found in 90s recorded music....and to hear Walter sing?? Come ON!! The greatest, most pleasant revelation since Clarabelle finally spoke, in the last moment of the "Howdy Doody Show." (How he manages to sound so "New Orleans," while being from the NY/NJ area, is beyond me.)
And let's not forget how the de-doping-ization of Our Lads (let's just say it out loud here) has brought them into the sunlight, at least selectively, at will....sure, it's kind of hilarious how dark and brooding their stuff can be, but there's a certain glint in their eye, now, a certain wink, and an even-more-wryly humorous wit about them that someone who will actually pay to see "Mamma Mia" not ONCE, but TWICE couldn't even begin to FATHOM.....Dude.
As a matter of fact, ANY major dude will tell you, ROB-MAIL, that the lads' songwriting has become as tight as can be --- not that it wasn't, previously --- but there's a combination of looseness and finesse that was not there, before. The boys can actually laugh at themselves, and since a sense of humor is probably the best-possible benchmark of overall mental health, I'd say that Donald and Walter are not only more Creative than ever, they're much healthier.
TWO AGAINST NATURE's "What A Shame About Me" may be the best representation of this self-efacing humor. What an AMAZING "comeback" album!!! Unlike Clive Davis' reworking of Carlos Santana, which required the inclusion of some "today kids," the Dan's stories continued, with a strange, inexplicable 20-year production hiatus, as if Our Boys had been abducted and taken to some distant galaxy --- likely to far Arcturus, based on Walter's travelogues --- and returned in what, to them, may have been about a month off.
And that's a major point: you have to look at The Dan's work as a continuing story, NOT as a sequence of unrelated vignettes. It's all one long novel, just as Life is really just one long day, with a series of naps. (After all, let's not lose sight of the fact that Time is, itself, a man-made construct to keep everything from happening at ONCE...and not a very successful one, at that!)
RE the price tag, I'll tell you what: Steely Dan is the ONLY band whose ticket prices have NOT gone up, since their last tour....top face-value was 85 bucks three years ago for the Allstate Arena, and it's 85 bucks at the United Center. I find that pretty terrific, personally. Unlike The Who, who asked for a buck-fifty a pop for the "better" seats last year, even AFTER Enwistle KICKED, which REALLY ticked me off (never mind the fact that "The Ox" left the building on my very BIRTHDAY), or McPaulie, who got a MINIMUM of two bills (THREE, on average), as if HE couldn't afford to take the WORLD out to lunch for a nice soya burger, all at the same time.......give me a BREAK!!!
And EMG is, like it or not, a continuing distillation of The Dan's sardonic observations of Life as we Know It. What I thought was great about the album was that even the Idiots in the class would ?get? it this time. (Apparently I was mistaken.)
Walter and Donald?s Excellent Adventures tripped us through the amazingly Bogus Journey that was the 70s, including the end of Good King Richard, the first Energy Crisis, several inflation-depressions (see Alan.Greenspan.com), the failed Carter Presidency, and Disco. In retrospect, none of us should have survived that era. (Thank God our reluctant heroes did, especially since that Dreadful Decade returned with a dull thud, following the recount of some hanging chads in Florida.)
The Great Miracle earlier this same millennium was that, somehow, after giving us the two greatest albums of the preceding decades, our charming curmudgeons picked up the gauntlet they?d laid down 20 years earlier with GAUCHO, when Y2000?s TWO AGAINST NATURE seamlessly continued their musical missives detailing the sociopathic subterfuge and languid longings of modern, third-world Man.
Those of us who have monitored the assiduous duo?s solo work (which also includes the entrancing pulses of Fagen?s septic, semi-futuristic 1993 odyssey, KAMAKIRIAD) and the earlier Dan outings will instantly recognize the ongoing dialectic found in their newest release. EVERYTHING MUST GO describes the Cosmic Clearance Sale that has become the Life we are now enduring, all-the-while tracing (and sometimes inking-in) sketches of the desperate, disparate, last-ditch efforts that Humans up and down the food chain must now execute in order to face and survive these depressively redundant Hard Times, with little Dignity and less Grace.
That EMG shuffles into action with ?The Last Mall,? a bluesy and deliciously absurd hybrid of KATY LIED?s opening gloom-and-doomer, ?Black Friday,? and the near-Polyannic feel of THE NIGHTFLY?s ?I.G.Y. (International Geophysical Year)? is INTENTIONAL. Title tells the tale: the song delineates our ethical failures, extending the implications of our cut-rate cultural mores beyond K-MART, Wal-Mart, and AFTA-Mart to their ultimate logical conclusion: ?Attention all shoppers_It?s Cancellation Day_Yes the Big Adios_is just a few hours away_It?s last call_to do your shopping_At the Last Mall.?
Without the menace or malice of ?Black Friday,? the song blithely tracks the inevitable, in verses such as ?You?ll need the tools for survival_And the medicine for the blues_Sweet treats and surprises_For the little buckaroos? and ?We?ve got a sweetheart Sunset Special_On all of the standard stuff_?Cause in the morning -- that gospel morning_You?ll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough? with a journalistic deftness and distance, neither judging nor avoiding.
The song ends with a musical gag-tag that underscores its dearth-of everything theme, short-falling the standard ?big finish? by dropping the stinger. Priceless. Hilarious. Clever. And very Telling.
But then, ROB-MAIL, where being "past one's prime" is concerned, I'm pretty certain you'd have said that BEETHOVEN should've given it UP, once he lost his HEARING, too.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonBOB (and all of your other personalities)- Since you asked....This is the best touring band they have ever had! Carlock has injected the band with the punch and enthusiasm that they needed! The rest of the band seems to just follow Keith and Barney into groove heaven. Everything falls into place. This band is HOT! Even if DF fucks up the lyrics every once in a while.
RobWired- That's right...stick with the Dixie Chicks and Springsteen. They sound like they're much more your speed.
Posted by: bill, pittsburghHey, JP, when did they tour with 3 guitars? NYR&SR, maybe, but not as SD to my knowledge. They have had Denny Dias and Dean Parks sit in on a song or two here and there.
Posted by: hoops, Gretchen:
The unfortuanate part is that most all of the negative posts are the same person agreeing with themselves under different names. Good work to the two of you who suggested that first.
BOB, Nicole, Trish, and all your personalities: Please stay the fuck off here or I'll deal with your ISP.
After someone suggested that these posts could be mostly the same person, I ante'd up and paid my ISP to trace the posts. Sure enough, BOB and a few other versions of him/herself being negative, thanking him/herself for their support under a different name, writing, "I agree with BOB." Sorry to say but there is just a single weasselly codger behind most of the really negative posts.
Nothing wrong with being critical of a show but there is, as someone pointed out, a difference between that and being plain negative. I mean there are things I don't get or feel could be better at a show but there are constructive ways of stating that rather than being a jagoff. But pretending to be others who agree with you BOB is just being a dick.
While we all know better, I really hate for a casual fan or press member to come here and believe falsely that more Diehards don't like the tour and album than really do. Hey, if you alone want to bash the show, that would have been fine, but to pretend you are other people who hate it is bald-faced lie.
BOB, stay off of here.
jim
Posted by: RobWired, Under the ASB BridgeIt's always fun to join a discussion group like this one.
almost gothic negative girl, yes, I will post a review. I am looking forward to the concert, and just being in Chicago. Going there for the comic book convention, but while there I thought, why not take in a concert (Steely Dan), a musical (''Mamma Mia,'' even though I've already seen it from front row center seats in Kansas City), a Cubs game and the Shedd Aquarium.
As for EMG, I do keep it in my car to listen to.
And I'm sure I will get my monie's worth.
And remember: The possessive case is nine-tenths of the flaw.
Hi, Bob.
Oh, one other thing: I've thought about putting the songs in set-list order onto one CD, but I'm not sure I'll have time. I leave for Chicago early tomorrow morning. But if I do, I should use a set list that includes ''Black Cow,'' right? I can't see the set list from this text box right now.
Posted by: Gretchen, the room at the top of the stairsWhat a stressful day it's been in here, riddled with controversy! I wonder what the Sick Fruity Bitches would have to say? Where are you, Meal Reviewer? I need a good laugh.
Posted by: JP, already goneI missed the tours in the 90s. I'm sure they were flab, but at the time I wasn't all that interested. Eleven Tracks of Whack re-kindled my enthusiasm. When TvN came out I got tickets for the tour even though it was in a huge arena. Our seats were pretty bad and the sound was lousy, but the band was hot so... we enjoyed the show. Flash forward to this early June when I first heard Blues Beach and I'm all "eh..." But I know I've gotta hear the new CD, so my only Danfan friend and i go get it and from the very first spinning I've been completely awestruck. For reasons I'll never successfully articulate, EMG comes second only to Aja in my list of best Dan albums. Anyway, maybe it’s the combination of those crummy seats at the TvN show, or maybe it’s my unreasonable rabidity about EMG but for me, this tour was the better show by far. I do think the current band is tighter. Three guitars was one too many, imo. And having Weiskopf and Carlock along really seals the deal.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynFagen must have been like 25 years old when he said that. Youthful indiscretion. Today he would know better than to put himself in Trane's league.
Posted by: Gretchen, DIANE!
You said it! I couldn't have put it better. I, too, will be going to shows when the guys are 90 and I'm 75! By that time who knows what kind of music they'll have progressed to? But I don't care - I'm happy with the fact that I'm seeing 2 Dan shows in the next month, and that is the rarest of treats.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYMan with face - wouldn't it still apply? In that same article Fagen says that Coltrane "self-destructed jazz" - huh???????????
Posted by: Man with no face, Yeah, an article written in 1975....
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NY"Steely Dan, while identifiably purveyors of rock n roll of one sort or another, perform their version of the repetitive trick with chord progressions which take more than 20 seconds to learn. Consequently, the music sounds downright complex by pop music standards, and the band has attracted a large number of fnas who consider them sophisticated. It's an illusory sophistication, however, partly undone by the basically simple song structures and the ultimate realization that the lyrics actually mean something."
from an article by Jim Bickart on downbeat.com
Posted by: angel, Mike: Yes, I noticed.
Posted by: Joey, " Danfest highlights: Great meeting so many of you at Pott's. Only disappointment was that coordinator Joey was a no-show or at least we sure didn't see him. Wendy Liu aka Melissa stepped in as the hostess and greeter. "
You make Joey say , Huh ???????? Your's Truly got to Pott's RIGHT AT 5:15 and promptly ran into two " DanHeads " seated at the head of the bar . Tabs were started and more people arrived as we all listened intently to each others " Steelian Expoundings " from years past . Unfortunately , there were only two bartenders on duty in our section and they were so busy that we all started spending more and more time trying to snag drinks instead of discussing anything Steely . Sorry I did not run into you Hoops but I could not leave my seat at the bar or else I would lose it for sure ( the entire bar / restaurant was entirely understaffed ) .
As for the concert --- OUTSTANDING ( Then again , having great seats five rows back from the stage helps ) . Donald DID seem to " mail-in " the vocals and the sound was a bit weak for the first couple of numbers , but everyting was more than made up for by Walter's completely superb and professional playing and singing and by the prodigious band ..............................All in all , just a lovely evening in beautiful Englewood , CO .
Joey
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there nowNazman ~ You are absolutely correct! I scrolled quickly through the previous posts, saw the one that said Complete Setlist, and figured that was the final version. (At work and not much time for wading through all the debris here!) Babylon Sisters was played after Black Cow, as listed in the new improved setlist. Thanks for catching that. I take no offense what-so-ever ; ) I am also going to the Concord Pavillion show. Scored actual seats, Center Stage, last row (hopefully we can dance there), at lawn prices. Very pleased with that. Just booked our hotel today. Seriously thinking about Santa Barbara, but my left axle just went on my car today, so that might put the kibosh on that. We shall see.
RobWired ~ Keep listening to EMG. You might be surprised by what you hear after a few more listens. The mysterious layers of this precious flower take time to unfold. Stay with it! Also, I think that your first live Steely Dan show is gonna absolutely knock your socks off. I have seen several of their shows over the years, including two at the beginning of this tour. They are not phoning it in, coasting, past their prime, etc. Their energy is very high, they are having a great time, and so is the audience. These are top-notch musicians, playing kick-ass material, really putting on a show, and it works. Enjoy yourself. And please give us a review? Thanks!
As far as the moneys vs. monies, could it be that it should have been get your money's (or monies') worth? As in the possesive case?
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, in a fogI just popped in hoping to read some Denver reviews and what a mess is here. Oh well.
I know this won't make any difference to the narrow-minded, desensitized by our civilization, judgmental tightwads who've been getting sustenance by slamming Don and Walt, but I must comment.
For anyone to consider these guys "past their prime" is to say you are deaf and blind and maybe get laid once a decade. You are so out of touch, it's ridiculous.
Even as an intermediate musician with no hopes of ever getting any better, I can see their evolution, musically. These two haven't even *reached* their prime. Sure, they don't have a brain-slammin' backup rock'n'roll band and they will never reproduce the 1974 shows in that sense.
But where they are musically is so far away from anyone who posts here and 99 percent of the rock musicians working today. They cannot be defined or categorized and they never could be. What they create is unique, even though much of it quotes or refers to previously published stuff. Walt and Don are building onto the Steely Dan canon, and that body of music will be as curious and as revered as 20th century American literature, the Lost Generation, the Reconstruction of the South, the Great Depression, the Space Age, the Beat Generation, the pre-Raphaelites, and/or any era you may have already studied independently or in some school.
If they cut off an ear or died, record sales would go off the chart, not because of their real value, but because of our society's fucked values.
Great art is never fully comprehended in the artist's lifetime, and the same is true with the Steely Dan catalog. They say no really good biography can be written until the subject has been dead for at least 50 years, and that may, sadly, be true.
It's obvious that all this negative crap about being washed up or down or hacks or whatever is merely opportunistic and parasitic. People are here telling the truth about Steely Dan and others use that opportunity to wrap their bullshit around it and try to suffocate it.
I guess you must have run out of flies to pull the wings off of.
In brief, you don't know what you're talking about. Try going to a concert, unhampered by relaxicants and prejudices, get a good seat, close your eyes periodically to let the music wash over you, and feel the vibrations coming up through the ground into your unused chakras.
If you still feel the same way, you were never a Steely Dan fan to begin with.
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYYikes. I personally think the Boys just keep getting better and better, and I'll be going to see them when tickets are $250 and Donald and Walter are 85.
The reason I stopped in is to mention that this past weekend I was headed into Saks (the flagship--Saks Fifth Avenue) to pick something up and as I was walking in the side entrance, through the diamond/precious stones area, I heard (quite loudly, for that matter)....Jack of Speed.
It fit, somehow.
BTW, I am working on the Bayside Baccanal website for the Jones Beach (NY) Danfest. I'm just a little overwhelmed these days.
Lady B
Posted by: BOB , Thanx to everyone especially Robwired and Nicole (ie myself) for your/[my] support. I'm not trying to monopolize this board. SD is probably my favorite band. I have seen every tour since 1993. They have all been great! Y2K tour was my favorite. I went to Ohio, Vegas, Chicago, Milwaukee and California on that tour. I'm just saying in my opinion this tour (2003) and set-list is a "Buzz-Kill". As far as me being Nicole, Trish and whomever else just e-mail me and we can talk. Last but not least who cares about grammatical errors.
Anyone who has Steely Dan before and have seen them on this tour what are your opinions?
Bitter,
Bob
Posted by: RobWired, Under the Heart of America BridgeOK, new here. I'll probably just post in and post out. Going to see the show on Friday in Chicago. Thought I'd put my 2 cents in.
I would never pay $85 to see Steely Dan. Certainly not now when they're past their prime, certainly creatively, and their heyday is behind them. And if I were paying $85, I would want a show to go along with that. I mean, Donald and Walter ain't much to look at, and it doesn't sound like they really, I mean really, put on a show a la Springsteen or the Dixie Chicks, for which the best tickets cost less, and I know I got my money's worth for the best seats in the house through the Chicks fan club. And they're much prettier! Now that was a show!
I would pay $39.50, however. Got good seats, but I had to talk to a human being at Ticketmaster to get them. Otherwise, the Ticketmaster Website would have tried to choose corner seats, second level for me. And, I don't know if this is still the case, but the third level was not for sale, at least not to Ticketmaster. Could that mean management and promoters know the drawing power of Steely Dan could not sell out the United Center? I don't know what the status of the ticket sales are today, but that was the case the last time I checked.
Now, I MIGHT have paid $85 to see Steely Dan when they were in their heyday, but tickets didn't cost that much then.
I did pay a good price to see Yes the last time they were here in the Kansas City area. They, like Don and Walt, definitely look older than I remember, but they put on a GREAT show, as musicians and performers. Jon Anderson hit stronger, higher notes than he did on record!
Now, I had to listen to what dandom posters call EMG several times before I could tell one song from another. ''Pixeleen'' was the first song to stick out; I think it's the high female line in the chorus that caught my attention. I can now tell most of the songs apart, but I can take them apart as well and say, ''Well, that's from 'The Nightfly' album, and that's from (name of album/song here).'' So on EMG, Don and Walt recycle themselves. Hey, at least it's not the ultimate dust-to-dust recycling.
I did review EMG for the metropolitan newspaper I work for and gave it two and a half stars out of four. I also said it was better than ''Two Against Nature,'' which I've seen referred to here as TvN. If not for ''Cousin Dupree,'' TvN would have lost appeal. It's embarrassing, too, that Steely Dan won a Grammy for that album. It only shows that the members of the academy really need to get out more. I mean, who can forget the first heavy metal category winners, Jethro Tull?
I was going to play Keith Jarret's '' 'Long as Your Living Yours'' for my girlfriend, but I can't find it. I do have Horace Silver's ''Song for My Father,'' tho', and Charlie Parker's ''Groovin' High.'' But all that's old news, isn't it?
As for people busting Bitter Bob's chops, well, a couple of things: ''Monies'' is not wrong. It is not the first-listed entry in the dictionary for ''moneys,'' but it is listed second, which all that shows is the preferred usage. ''Lip-synch,'' however, is listed first in the American Heritage Dictionary, noted for its usage panel. ''Lip-sync'' is listed second, but it is not ''wrong,'' either.
As for forgetting the words, Audra McDonald forgot the words to a song she was going to try to sing in Kansas City for the first time without looking at the music. She goofed up, but she handled it like a pro and with humor. So she had to start over? Her show was wonderful, anyway, and the way she handled the flub only added to her charm.
So I'm not seeing Steely Dan at their prime. So they've fallen into that niche between nostalgia and, ''Hey, don't count us out! We've still got it!'' I've never seen Steely Dan before, and, at least, I'm looking forward to hearing the drummer.
I figure I'll get my $39.50 worth.
Posted by: Nazman, Santa Ana Hey 'almost gothic negative girl'
Not to nitpick but i thought it was reported that they also did Babylon Girls in the first set at Denver - right before or after Black Cow. only mention it because it may be noteworthy for some given they are both classics...treasured music)...Hoping to have it all at Concord (Chronicle)Pavillion in October....What's not to love...
Posted by: ., Methinks BOB = Trish = Nicole
Simple. Don't respond to the Loser(s)
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - hey it's not rainingI just checked Ticketmaster - floor seats are still availible to the Verizion Wireless show in Manchester, NH. Is anyone else going to that show? My son and I are staying at the Holiday Inn right across the street from the venue - no parking problems or driving after the show.
I'm working very hard to make the Tweeter Center show in Mansfield, MA now - looks like the only northeast show that will have a Danfest - I'd hate to miss that.
Posted by: Record Collector, dusty antiquity "It is about 4 o'clock on a balmy afternoon and Hector Aquilar is trudging home from the traffic court in West Los Angeles. An irate magistrate has just suspended his license and slapped him with a stiff fine, because of his 1963 Chevrolet Impala's continued failure to comply with the vehicular code of the state of California -- particularly in the area of ground clearance. As far as Hector is concerned, the law is so much chicken-waste, the judge is a maricon, and so far this has been one lousy day. When Maria finds ou, she will scream for hours and probably spoil my dinner. How foolish of me to paint the tires yellow. I bet you anything the policeman would not have noticed if...Madre de Dios! What do I hear?"
The Meal Reviewer, copping riffs from Becker and Fagen's ancient liner notes!
Posted by: Gretchen, Nicole -
No one would give a hoot about Bob's spelling/grammatical errors if he didn't come in hear with a hostile attitude. This is a place to post opinions, to which everyone is entitled. But no one wants to be exposed to rage or be called a "b@@@@". When someone crosses the line of civility, which he has, he must be called on the carpet! As for Bob's college credentials, no one brought that up. He offered that info, as a way to justify his attitude. But my argument is, who cares if you have a PHD or 6th grade education? A degree cannot buy integrity or class. He is of the contrary opinion.
Posted by: THE EARL OF DUKE, CHICAGOTWO (TICKETS) AGAINST NATURE - CHICAGO - THIS FRIDAY NIGHT......okay, NOW things are getting WHACK: I now have TWO 85-buck tickets for the United Center show, barely 48 hours from now....section 122 (off Stage Left), can sell together or alone. PLEASE E-MAIL ME BY CLICKING IN, ABOVE...I managed to get them through the box office, avoiding the TicketMeister pounding altogether...the $85 each is face value, am willing to take a LITTLE BIT LESS....but not under $150 the pair. SLANG ME NOW...!!!
Posted by: Bill, againThat should have been "compounded" but "confounded" works anyway.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghRe lyrical lapses - anyone notice the notebook on top of the Rhodes piano in the rear-view photo on the official site? (What? Don's in that photo?) Anyway, even with lyrics in front of him, he's always been a bit high-strung, so cut him some slack. Walter has become more natural on stage but Donald often looks like he'd rather be holed up in a studio somewhere - that's just his personality. Remember when they joked about his stage fright/discomfort and suggested putting his photo on matchbooks with the caption "can you sing like this man?"
I understand that in Sinatra's later days he'd mess up even with the Teleprompter. Also, some of us remember the late Jerry Garcia's similar problems, confounded by other health issues, I'm sure. Dylan does it to this day, and he is constantly on tour.
As far as Tony Bennett, 4 years ago when my daughter was born we were given a recent children's album he recorded and his pitch was horrible! And I'm sure he has to sing "SF" every time he performs so you'd expect he wouldn't flub that one.
Posted by: garyt, EdinburghHelp, I can't stop listening to EMG!
Posted by: Soft Jazz Hocchie Mama, Studying Dostoevsky w. A HighlighterThe teacher tells my son he has not mastered Steely Dan's polyphony. What is polyphony? My son practices in the piano very hard and feels bad when the teacher is critical. And my son is crying to me to buy tickets to the concert at Shelby Farm. Is it a bunch of pot smoking people? Morality is of the utmost importance. What is polyphony?
Posted by: Nicole , Bob ,
As bitter as you may be, I believe you have the right to voice your opinion!
Whoever the "spell checker" is out there, are you the moderator of this board?
No, OK just checking because you seem awfully concerned with spelling errors and college credentials.
Where did you go to school, Pabst Blue Ribbon,USA?
I think Bob is just stating his opinion on the reviews he has heard about the upcoming show. He seems to me like he is definitely a fan and not afraid to tell it as it is, like it or not!
He may be bitter but he is also honest!
I thought this board was for comments, opinions, etc. If you can't handle it, call Emilio Estevez (St. Elmos Fire)!
Posted by: Here's a Thought, Who says that these whiners aren't really just the same 2-3 people speading their black ink under different names?
Posted by: bluprintblu, Key PlantainBob, I am not through. This is a time for joy and ear candy. Walter and Donald are always the best. I have seen them many times all the way back to 1974. It's about being TOTALLY THRILLED that they have blessed us with new tunage and are touring. Improbably, the Dan abides...cheer up doll!
Posted by: Gretchen, Thanks for the support, BLUPRINTBLU! We true fans stick together.
Posted by: WKrueger, LAActually, the word money can be used plurally as in "moneys" or "monies" so his use was correct. Being gramatically correct in a bulletin board post is laughable when the desired outcome is generally a matter of expedience. That being said, errors are rampant with the importance being placed on content rather than syntax. Besides, we all make mistakes while typing.
That NPR feed was absolutely hilarious this morning especially the part about them wearing backpacks with defibrillators.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYAlso, I must say, these remarks Donald Fagen made in Down Beat about Coltrane ruining jazz in the late 60s are very shocking to me. Especially when Coltrane can put more emotive power into one song than Fagen can in a
Posted by: bluprintblu, The DunesHey yo Bob! Don't be picking on my galpal Gretchen! Not cool at all. Negative is out doll...Gretchen is queen and Steely Dan is King! Maybe some soothing Aja would be in order!
Posted by: The Bending End, RII don't care much for music videos, and can't remember the last time I've watched one, but I keep thinking Green Room could be the basis for a very humorous, perverse film sequence, starring a man in a long coat and a wide-brimmed hat [sort of a zoot suit] with a funky walk.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI always thought that was a rather disingenuous claim, then why not just do instrumentals?
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there nowHere ya go Phil. Randall posted this setlist. Enjoy the show. Don't let the recent sparring affect your enthusiasm. I was lucky enough to catch two shows so far this tour; while they were not exactly perfect, they were definitely perfectly wonderful ; ) Got tickets to a third, and trying to swing a fourth. I'd see 'em all if I could. Have a great time!
Complete Setlist for Denver:
--First Set--
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Slang of Ages (WB lead vocal)
(band intros)
Peg
Home at Last
(intermission)
--Second Set--
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (WB lead vocal)
TIMTM
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take me Alive
--Encores--
My Old School
FM
Posted by: HeyMike, West of Billy Goat!Hey BOB ---Gotta go with Gretchen on this one. First of all Donny and Wally have always said it's all about the Music. Not the words. So lighten up. You should look back at your posts, here's a few glaring mistakes...
monies
too
Difference
three years make
lip-synch
know one
?<--goes after a question
I'm thinking you're full of beans and the closest you got to Georgetown was as a bouncer at St. Elmos Tap!!!
See ya Friday!
Posted by: Phil, St. PaulI'm a huge SD fan (who isn't on this site, anyway?). I am going to see them live tomorrow night at the Xcel Center here in St. Paul. What a great place to see a concert! I just wanted to see if anyone had the setlist from their previous shows in Denver or George, WA. I'm too excited and wanted to get an idea of what they might play for my show. Thanks a bunch!
Posted by: Gretchen, Bob, a Masters degree does not a man of integrity make. And why, pray tell, would you spend so much money and fly around to see a band you so despise? I think you are very confused. Perhaps you could brush up on proper use of the English language as well. You need quite a bit of polish. That's MY opinion.
Posted by: BOB, HEY BICHEN I Mean Grechen. Who the hell are you! I've seen SD over 20 times in my lifetime. I know my music. SD in the past has always put on a great show. Read the reviews for this tour in the Rocky Mountain Review. They say the same thing that I have been saying. SD is just going through the motions. I know for a fact that SD is capable of a better show however they refuse to give us the effort. I'm flying into Chicago tomorrow to see Fridays show. I spend over $1,000 per tour. In the past, I have gotten my monies worth and then some. In my opinion which I am entitled too SD is jsut mailing it in. You don't have to agree with me. I'm just giving my opinion like it or not.
As for being uneducated, I have a Masters Degree from Georgetown University.
Bitter Bob
Posted by: Gretchen, P.S. TO BOB:
You don't seem like anyone who would know the meaning of integrity, or if you do your writing style doesn't reflect it. And if you think Don and Walt are "old and senile" I'd hate to be you when you get to be their ages. As statement like that just confirms your ignorance Why don't you just stick to Eminem, etc? That's probably more your speed.
Posted by: Gretchen, under the banyan treesBOB
If you hate SD so much, why would you ever buy concert tix? You know,you sound very immature. You have lots of venom to spue, but you don't offer any constructive critisism nor do you seem very informed about the band. Paxil may help.
Posted by: BOB, Will trade 2 Tickets for Friday at The UC Section 1 row 5. Will trade two tickets for tickets to any Steely Dan tribute band of your choice.
Bitter Bob
Posted by: John, 1 TICKET FOR SALE!
See the Dan in St. Paul, MN, August 7th - tomorrow night!
Great seat - section 103, row 22 in the Xcel Energy Center - 7:30 p.m.
Price is negotiable - original price was $100.
Make me an offer! jkv99@hotmail.com
Posted by: darren, I think Bitter Bob should change his name to Baby Bob!!!
IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE SHOWS STOP GOING TO THE SHOWS!!!!!!!!
let the rest of us enjoy
Posted by: RCray, NYCNPR has a piss your pants funny interview with fagen and becker you have to listen to it.
Fagen makes mention of Enron et al.
www.npr.org
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliMe self hangin in Santa Monica Mall esperando para mi homes, Don Carlos. I haff on mi RONALD FAGEN SUNGLASSES, four sizes too big for mi head. Don Carlos no se corta su pelo, he don't cut his hair, in 4 years porque he wanna look like WAL BECKER in the COUNTDOWN TO YOUR ESCSTASIES. In mall muchas chicas en *hip hugger jeans* give me big noodle roni! Serioso! Un dude come up to me while I wait for Don Carlos and give me "flyer":
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I give back him the "flyer" and tell, "No speak English." Don Carlos cum and say to dude, "What's the dili yo?" We are in mall because necesitamos trabajo! Gigs a little slow for Sick Fruity Bitches, y tambien Rick The Bagel bug out with our money, he steal it. We get jobb at Mickey D cookin fries in el grease. (Barna, mi love, I no like those chicas en mall, mi eyeball behind RONALD FAGEN SUNGLASSES no move with gentle sway hips!)
Posted by: Mike, RE: Y2K VIDEO/DVD
ANYONE NOTICE AT THE END OF PRETZEL LOGIC DONALD'S GLASSES GO FLYING OFF AND HE'S GOES CRAZY TRYING TO FIND THEM. IT'S HILARIOUS
MIKEY
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYKewl Shaun! So then you know about coasting. Bob - get a dictionary while you're at it. And read the liner notes from the Tony Bennett/Bill Evans album from 1968 if you want to know what some great jazz instrumentalists think about song lyrics. And I Left My Heart IN SF isn't Tony Bennett's song.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonChief....Oh please! I think I'm a little bit more qualified on this subject then most of your "sources". Oh by the way, since Steely Dan got back together in 1993 I've seen over 40 shows (not including the ten I'm seeing this tour)
When living in NYC from 1987 through 2000 'I've seen
1- Keith Carlock with Wayne Krantz at 55
Bar (7-10 times)
2- Carolyn Leonhart- at some club (NYC Smoke?) in Harlem in 2000
3- Tom Barney- The Lonestar Roadhouse with Fagen in 1992. Also on Broadway in The Lion King (Does that count?)
4- Walt Wieskoff- At the Iridium Jazz club in NYC about 8 months ago.
5- Jon Herington- At Le Bar Bat with his band in 2000 also at The Cutting Room
6- Ted Baker- I saw with Art Garfunkle in Europe in 2001
7- Cynthia Calhoun- With Boz Scaggs in 1998/1999
8- MIchael Leonhart- With some acid jazz band at The Elbow Room in NYC in 2000
9- Cornileus Bumpus- With Drew Zing at a place called "Decade" NYC in 2000
Had enough Chief?
Posted by: BOB, Hey chief I may be young but I'm very smart. I've seen Tony Bennett 7 times he's almost 80 and he has never messed up a song. What the hell are you talking about know one listens to lyrics. Could you image TB forgetting the lines to I Left My Heart in San Francisco. It would be un-thikable. If you can't remeber lyrics to your own songs something is terribly wrong.
Bob
Posted by: slinky redhead, on the sidelinesSeems there's a lot of Dan-bashing around here lately in regards to the live shows. Nothing wrong with people having opinions, of course, but some of the criticisms seem pretty far-fetched. What's the matter with forgetting a few lines in a song? Louis Armstrong did that once, and lo and behold, scat singing was invented. And what exactly makes Steely Dan "lame", "tired," etc.? Walter Becker still seems like he's a pretty "edgy" sort of guy. And look at (or listen to) Fagen over the years. Once a crank, always a crank. (Just kidding...we love ya, Don!) Look at it this way. Even if EMG isn't selling like its predecessor, even if the band is undergoing some management issues or hasn't had enough time to rehearse or maybe has had some judgmental lapses about setlists, personnel, whatevah...Steely Dan is a rare treasure musically and lyrically, period, and it's a pleasure to turn out and support 'em at live shows. Yes, and gripe about it afterwards. But the main thing is to keep the boys off the streets by buying their music and attending their shows. Nuff said?
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYHey Bob and Trish, you sound young. You sound like you think at a live summertime concert flubbing a few lines in a song is important. You sound like you think when jazz musicians play that they listen to the words of the singer instead of the sounds of the voice. You guys need to buy a book on music theory and devour it. Also, hot sweaty sex for a few hours might take your mind off such important things.
Posted by: BOB, To Trish ,
If you read my post you will see that SD doesn't have intergrity. I agree with you. How can a band like SD forget words to their songs. They may as well lip -sync their whole show. What a diffrence three years makes. In 2000 they were the best live band in the world. Now they are old and senile.
Bitter
Bob
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI just read on Weiskopf's site that he's playing the Blue Note with his small big band, nine piece, starting Oct 27th. I'd like to go to 3 or 4 of those shows. Any Danheads interested?
Posted by: TRISH aka BOB, What's a matter with Donald Fagan. I was looking back at some of the post and they are saying that he is messing up the lyrics. How can a professional singer forget lines to his own songs. Maybe like Frank Sinatra Donald is going to get a telepromter to read his own lyrics. What a shame about Don. I hope he doesn't have alztimers.
Trish
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYShaun! List for us all the other gigs you have ever seen even one person in Steely Dan's group ever play live apart from Steely Dan. I hope you're not going to say none, because if that's so you have nothing to compare their current playing to, so how can you tell if they're coasting or not? But let's hear how many other live gigs you have heard any of the musicians play.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynSomeone posted here the interesting link to the Slate review, in which the reviewer suggested that the beautiful Steely Dan music is the idealized world that the various crazed narrators hear in their heads, ie, the music is their ideal world and the lyric, the reality. I am interested in opinions about this idea.
Posted by: dbeefy, another TanquerayMike : In short, I agree. Let's just keep enjoying it all.
Meal : Was it a Black Cow that died? let us know more about the exploits of the Sick Fruity Bitches. Love to Barna..
Posted by: Peg, Preening carefullyOh, Duke of Earl! I tremble at the thought of meeting you! But, alas, I cannot make the Chicago show....I will be in town the weekend of the 22-24 for the big Chicago Latin festival, however. So, contact me, darlin. I dig jazz and am planning to visit Green Mill, etc., at night...Meet me?? By the way, this invite goes double for the one and only Hoopsie, who I feel a particular kinship to...I am for real, and my name really is Peg!!!!
Posted by: Jaydee, London in heatwaveJust found a track called 'DonaldFagenLive86' which turns out to be a live instrumental version of Peg with some stunning guitar playing. Only info attached is the cryptic sentence 'Hiram asks for coke after #5' which makes me think of Hiram Bullock.
Sounds very 'Dannish' but lack of vocals is odd. Anyone know if this really is a DF track?
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliIN mi countri "Maricon Joe" fue el gran smugglador de musica tapes de WAL BECKER Y RONALD FAGEN. It no legal to have music el presidente no le gusta! Algunas veces (some of the times) mi poppi help "Maricon Joe" give tapes to the peepil. Soldados shoot "Maricon Joe" with the bow and arra. One soldado was champeen archer, he shoot bengal tiger in Tibet with the bow and arra! So "Maricon Joe" a piece of shit for him. Mi popps, they die him in the tomato garden. Mi moms so sick she sing "Through With Buzz" with a bullhorn in the night.
Yo conozco un big secret: mi amigo Rick The Bagel, mi otro amigo Don Carlos, y "Maricon Joe" , the three, they sneak to the beaches at night and have *wild homosex*! Quiere que mi tambien but I say no, I have woman! My beauotus wife, Barna. En facto, Barna the one turn me on to WAL BECKER Y RONALD FAGEN, she listen to "Chinese music under banjo tree," while she milk the cow. The cow die! It is good this cow die porque it give bad milk. The milk this cow give taste like piss from the skunk.
Posted by: Mike A, And thanks to the guys who contributed all of the 11 tracks of whack discussion. That's still one of my favorite CD's. For some reason, my wife and 12 year old son like that one as well. It's totally under rated. I'll be buying another copy soon because mine is worn out.
Wish I had seen that San Fran show in 1995 you talked about. Oh well.
Posted by: Mike A, Geez....Enough already! Stop the incessant whining about the set lists. After Goucho was released, I seriously thought the Dan would never tour. They were done, finished , 86'ed. Nobody thought we would ever see them play live even though there were several rumors to the contrary in the late seventies.
I can't believe how excited I was when 1993 ushered in the 1st tour since whenever. And it's been that way ever since. Considering what might have never been, I just can't believe our good fortune in this regard.
Hey, if you came in to a million bucks, in short order, you would "require" 10 million. It never stops does it? So, let's count our "blessings" and just dig the tunes we always dug.
And what about all these shadowy "sources" these Bluebook hucksters are frequently quoting? Let these weasel sources stand up and be exposed. I want to look em in the eye when they say the Dan is done, the boys are phoning it in, Walt is a coat tail rider etc. What flavor of swine shit are you smokin?
There is some classic music being created & performed by these guys and all this bunk talk is akin to nailing jello to a tree. Basically a futile exercise at best.....
10-4
Mike A
Washington State
Posted by: Scotty @ Work, Sydney First of the tour pics are up on steelydan.com
I can see why The Gorge is so well liked by everyone.
1 week 3 days 22 hours till lift off !!!!!!
Posted by: Shaun, BstonChief- Your "sources" sound like a bunch of morons.
"The rest of the band is coasting"
Give me a break. I've seen two shows and yes Carlock is the star of the backing band. But believe me.... no one is coasting. Be your own judge. I don't listen to anyone but my own ears.
Posted by: The Bending End, RIRE: Drew/Chris Zingg postings of June 6-8.
I never attended a show in '93, so I didn't know anything about Drew Zingg when I read these postings, but when it was mentioned that brother Chris owns record stores called "In Your Ear Records," it dawned on me that there may be some connection with this to a fairly new, and most welcome, music store in the town I live in [Barrington, RI] named "Zingg." It's easily the hippest business in this most conventional of towns, a place much like the way Gretchen describes her CT surroundings. There also happens to be a Christopher Zingg listed in InfoSpace.com as a Barrington resident, about a mile from my house.
Posted by: oleander, on the irony floatWHAT?? Mike ejected from the Gorge? What utter BULLSHIT. I have several of the cool "all excess" "passes" from '00, and if these are anything like, there is NO WAY anyone with a cortex could think they are counterfeit anything. They are just mementos. And Mike was WAY looking forward to seeing the Dan at the Gorge.
Mike, if you can get to Atlanta or Manassas, you are MY GUEST for the evening.
Re: NPR--the whole interview is up on npr.org--a GREAT spread on the duo, and yes, the exemplar fan site is St. Al's Banyan Trees! Yowie! Also, tunes, links, resources, and inimitable Danitude.
"Recreational defibrillation..." I am SLAIN.
Posted by: THE DUKE OF EARL, CHICAGOLOOKING FOR AN AMSTERDAM GIRL, FOR THIS FRIDAY'S CHICAGO CONCERT...have a nice ticket to share, or sell...looking for "Pixeleen," "Josie," "Peg," or someone like her: single, unattached, etc., where Freebie is concerned. Have 85-buck ticket, will sell OR, PREFERABLY, "COOL FIRST DATE." (What better to have in common --- other than Love for each other ---- than a love for The Dan??) Come back ASAP, jkatt@ix.netcom.com and we'll cover every game in town. (From the Department of Reduncancy Department, and the Natural Guard.)
Posted by: THE DUKE OF EARL, CHICAGOLOOKING FOR AN AMSTERDAM GIRL, FOR THIS FRIDAY'S CHICAGO CONCERT...have a nice ticket to share, or sell...looking for "Pixeleen," "Josie," "Peg," or someone like her: single, unattached, etc., where Freebie is concerned. Have 85-buck ticket, will sell OR, PREFERABLY, "COOL FIRST DATE." (What better to have in common --- other than Love for each other ---- than a love for The Dan??) Come back ASAP, jkatt@ix.netcom.com and we'll cover every game in town. (From the Department of Reduncancy Department, and the Natural Guard.)
Posted by: father william, boulder, copepe - look at recent posts in alt.music.steely-dan either in a news reader or in
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.music.steely-dan&btnG=Search&meta=site%3Dgroups
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Gretchen - I'll be in the spandex jacket, Don under that spangled yellow poncho. I think you're coming out of it now sweetheart. Is it the medication or what, I can feel the bitchiness ebb away. Can we all just breathe for a momment? Thank you. Ching chong ching, y'all.
Posted by: this guy pepe, CtHi folks, is there a place to see the set lists for this tour so far
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomAnd hopefully, the pillows will be goose down filled so feathers will go willy-nilly! Wah-hooooo...the comfy eames chair...
Posted by: Gretchen, behind the big casino on the beachGOOD EVENING RAJAH!!
We've started a new groove with all this talk about Don! No pillow fights, but you can come on over anyway. Bring Don!
Posted by: Nazman, Between the RaindropsFairly new to this board and would have to assume that it's not always this way, i.e. debates about the integrity of the band and their selected playlists. IMHO preparation and execution is an entirely different ball of wax when it comes to Steely Dan thus you may be less than satisfied with a less than varied array of offerings night after night. No matter how you slice it it's hard to forget that we're not talking about chord progressions here, we're talking about mosaics. Every offering from this band is a delicious explosion of music, melody and impeccable execution. At least that's the show i experienced down at Konocti. Good enough to compel me toward another experience at Concord Pavillion in October. Steely Dan is an intelligent and delightful departure from mainstream contemporary music and they are a damned good time. I hope we can reward them w/ our unwavering appreciation in every venue still ahead. That's part of the fun. Communicating this thrill back to them. Live and in concert...Steely Dan. Back 10 years ago who would have thought we'd have such luxury. I look forward to ongoing news re: this tour.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Ok girls, rave on then at will, I suppose you have to get this out of your system but if a pillow fight breaks out, it's lights out with no TV. Don't make me come over there.
Posted by: Laina, SLO*blank stare* at all this Don lust. Mercy!!! I mean if I had to pick the more attractive of the two, I'd say Walter, but IMO neither of them is the cutest thing to look at. *shrugs* I realize that the attraction isn't SIMPLY about looks.
too young for love
Lainalove
Posted by: LUC, BRUSSELS, BELGIUMDear danfans,
Stop fighting about the lists and go to the essence.
That means Steely Dan.Because Don and Waly are what they are.
I have also my favourite songs but when i go to a Dan concert it really don't matter to me what they are playing.
Just like another guy said,it's just the fun and the music that counts.In other words MAGIC
So please Don and Walt,
DON'T FORGET BELGIUM
Posted by: gretchen, marshmallow peep factoryRight on, girl!! It looks like we have a new Don fan club. That voice!! And the slight stoop and rumpled look just makes him all the more appealing. I can't believe I'm going to see him in person! Weird thing is, I always loved him, but this "crush" of mine just started a few weeks ago. Maybe I suddenly like older men?
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, I've had a crush on DONALD for years,first of all,I love piano players!!
Second-THAT VOICE!!!
And he does have beautiful eyes & sexy lips,ok!
Lunch With Gina and Green Book are too FUNKY for words,they have to add them to the setlist,or have they?
Posted by: Gretchen, swooning from the thought of DonWell, girls, I guess we've got ourselves a new icon. "The Thinking Woman's Sex Symbol". Just wonder what goes on in that mind of his.
Posted by: John, Corpus Christi, TXBought the cd, saw the show at the Gorge, now what?
Just kidding--the party was fun in West Seattle (thanks Suedave), the Gorge acoustics were simply awesome. My cousin and I even agreed that the band played tighter than the records. Unbelievable concert at an unbelievable venue! All around, a super experience!
Looking forward to the "Best One".......
Posted by: Gretchen, STELLA!!
God, when I see him in his white shirt with the sleeves rolled up I could just go out of my mind!! He needs to be on the cover of People as "THE SEXIEST MAN ALIVE". Have you seen the closeup photo of him on Andy Metzger's homepage? Soooooo hot. What fun he would be. Mmmm Mmmmm good.
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomHey Stella! I have seen the Dan in 1974 to 2000.....Donald is so incredible....brace yourself Gretchen! He is so amazing! Smelling salts, darling! He is beautiful in every way girl!
Posted by: Stella Dan, Portland, ORGretchen and Bluprintblu,
Count me in! Donald is hotter than sin in my book. The grey hair just adds more appeal, and NO, it has nothing to do with a Father Complex. Just a fine-ass, talented musician complex! I'm sure the divine Mrs. Titus Fagen knows *exactly* what she has, good for her.
Gretchen, you may faint when you see him. The snarls, the grimaces, the sly innuendos...... I suggest binoculars. My heart almost exploded.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Boston DanfestDAVIS - You were asking yesterday if there were any Manfield Danfest activities. Hell ya!
Bill Griffin, Hoops and I are planning all kinds of fun Dan activities that Saturday afternoon/evening. We have the location and we're working on the contests, music and special guests.
Not only that, we'll be the only Danfest with cool official Walter Becker SLANG ME! t-shirts (OK - not really authorized by SD). Our goal is to have Walter put one on during the show!
Details are below or subscribe to Hoops Boston Danfest list for more breaking details. You can also e-mail me for any info.
The Boston Danfest August 16, 2003
Saturday afternoon, August 16 2:00pm – 6:00pm
Devon’s Place
350 North Main Street
Mansfield, MA
(508) 339-1800
Located about 1 mile from the Tweeter Center (formerly Great WoodDetails are below or subscribe to Hoops Boston Danfest list for more breaking details), chef Mike DiMascio will wine and dine us for 4 hours before the Steely Dan show. Mike is opening his restaurant off-hours for the Danfest-only crowd. Meet your friends at Devon’s and relax and have drinks and dinner before the show.
DJ Jack Tolman will be providing the Steely Dan music & some rarities.
Special Guests: Still waiting on confirmation but we’re hoping 2 special guests will attend this year’s Danfest. You’ve laughed at their movies and they are major Dan fans. They are currently in post-production with their latest project so they are trying to work the Danfest into their schedule.
Saturday evening, August 16 6:00pm – 8:00pm/11:00pm-???
Tailgate party before and after show cocktails
Tweeter Center parking lot
With the Tweeter Center being about a mile from Devon’s Place, we would like to start a caravan of cars from Devon’s Place to the Tweeter Center parking lot.
Lodging
For the 2000 Danfest, most of the Dan fans booked rooms at the Red Roof Inn. Here’s the address and phone numbers:
Red Roof Inn
60 Forbes Boulevard
Mansfield MA 02049
Toll free: 800.733.7663
Voice: 508.339.2323
Fax: 508.337.6733
Hope to see you all on the 16th!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: glandon, redlands, califNazman, I like your style baby! Advice taken and cure in sight! xoxo
Posted by: onlyafool, elsewhereGretch - Put down the blender and slowly back away...
Posted by: gretchen, It's not just the looks, granted, he's adorable, but he's smart, talented, and I like his moves. And he's so into what he does, it's inspiring. Anyone who can create music like that is very attractive to me. I just hope I don't faint when I see him live!!
Posted by: Nazman, Between the RaindropsHey Gail (Stroud)
The best and most immediate way to get Pixie out of your head is to pull out your Pretzel Logic and go w/ Monkey in your Soul. Guaranteed you won't hear anything else for days...
Posted by: Nazman, Betwen the RaindropsHey Gail (Stroud)
The best and most immediate way to get Pixie out of your head is to pull out your Pretzel Logic and go w/ Monkey in your Soul. Guaranteed you won't hear anything else for days...
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomokay so, where is the midnite cruiser? Yes, Donald is fine and so are his vibes...let's get back to EMG. Who has an opinion on "Lunch with Gina"?
Posted by: onlyafool, somewhere...out thereNote to MealReviewer: Don't ever stop! In fact, you need to hook up with dianeDianeDIANE (aka D-cubed). The resulting literary explosion could heat New York City for a long, cold winter.
Note to Gretchen: You need to immediately cease pouring the Cubano Breezes for yourself. If those guys are starting to look good, you've poured one too many!
Note to Diane: You're my new favorite author. We need to jack you up on speed and turn you loose on the entire tour. I'd pay big dinero to read the hard-cover edition.
Note to those expressing varied opinions: By all means, keep it up. Just remember the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka: Lighten up, Francis!
Posted by: Gretchen, I would like to have a corporate affair and hire the Meal Reviewer! Just play me some Green Earrings, man.
Posted by: DJ, ChicagoMeal Reviewer is one of the reasons I read here. F-ing funny.
Posted by: Gretchen, BLUPRINT: This is all recent...I was always fond of the Don but only lately have realized his appeal. All the good ones are married, alas.
He can play vertical keyboard anytime.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Da "Sick Fruity Bitches" rule in mi casa, dey got dat chicky-boom chicky-boom. Funki & clean. Nez pas? Gretchy she leetle beet pissy dos giornos. How u say, ormonal. Chiwawa...
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomGretchen...we are friends! I am so in love with Donald even though he is married to the beautiful Libby Titus. Oh man, what a doll, huh?
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, walking between the raindrops in CTBLUPRINTBLU:
Aahhhhh, I'm assusming you are a female, as you express your extreme fondness for Walt. I share this sentiment, only about DON! God, he's sexy. The years have done him well! I'm sure he has many sweet treats and surprises.
Posted by: mark, vtPeterQ
nice- after reading some of these posts, i didn't know if i should weep or start reading Nietzsche in 90 Minutes - what a bunch of sudo eliteist - i thought at first it was a friendly useful SD site- but it unfortunately has a fair share of "dear lord, please don't let my brain expolde, cuz i'm sooooo intellectual" types..god bless the eternally hip and kiss fagans bald spot for me
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomMeal reviewer-reveal thyself-and besides, who really cares about you grasshopper! It's all about the Dan, oh small one. Have I shared my love of Walter Becker yet? Well, from "Surf and or Die" to "Junkie Girl" he truly can slang me anytime.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliSICK FRUITY BITCHES "Steely Dan Tribute Band"
Comprisa de:
Don Carlos y Sanchez Maria de Carrera, harmonica and vocals
Rick the Bagel, flute, Coke tin and sleigh bells
Meal Reviewer, conga, glockenspeil, wind chimes and maraca
LISTO DE CANCIONES "Set List"
Negrita Viernes (Little Black Friday)
Royal Scam
and other songs currently under development
"Available for weddings, sweet sixteens, corporate affairs, or whatever."
Posted by: Gretchen, On the counter by my keysI don't get it...who is Meal Reviewer? And what the hell are the Sick Fruity Bitches?
Posted by: RCray, TeahouseHere is the most in-depth review of the KAMAKIRIAD DVD-Audio I have ever seen.
http://www.dvdangle.com/reviews/review.php?Id=3207
Posted by: Jon, I gotcha and am in complete agreement by the way. Steely Dan is a musical indulgence to be savored, not a lifestyle!
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn Jon...I meant to say I was a little tweaked at Steely Dan fans whining about set lists. These outdoor summer concerts are supposed to be fun, no different in principle from a Kiss concert. I get tired of folks who think they're Rhodes Scholars because they listen to Steely Dan.
Posted by: jon, Peter, I'm the first one to admit that Brad qualifies as this generation's Bill Evans and the Trio stuff to which you allude is stellar in all regards.
Notwithstanding, the density, attention to detail, and subtle nuance found in nearly all of SD's (as well as Donald's) tunes truly put them in a class alone. Comparisons are unfair and specious.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliRick the Bagel boogie out with our dinero! He is hole of the ass! How you say it - tief! Slanbaka! Se desperaciado en NUEVA YORK CITY con mi dinero! Don Carlos say, ejacalate him out of Sick Fruity Bitchies para eterno! We are practicing ROYAL JAM SCAM but now we need nu flute player. $400 Rick boogie with! And mi woman crack her breast in the wave. I no worry, singin voolay voo all the days of my life, Cristo, Jesu, STILLI DAN!
Posted by: JP, pdxWhich “courts” were those, Chief? As far as I can find out there was only the one lawsuit, and apparently that one was settled Out of Court. If possible, please enlighten me otherwise.
Posted by: Mark, Vermonta friend of mine turned me onto this site as I am taking my 9 yr old (who loves SD- and yes w/out my prompting)
and it is helpful to know the sets as he is only familiar w/ the last two cd's - thanks to all who write....danfans are a special bunch of freaks- and speaking from exp - i am a musician turned financial planner (many moons ago), and i did have a small degree of success with the music and still play...but i will tell you...that a friend of mine is in a dan "tribute" band in jersey and it is a full time job trying to cop the music, vocals and attitude that these dudes put out even at plus 50 yrs old. They still have class and are plenty smarmy in my book, and please the stones?? mama mia that is like comparing lou reed to barry manilow
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYYeah well the courts didn't agree with you there, JP.
Posted by: JP, pdxI've heard all the "evidence" wrt the Rikki/Song, Gaucho/Live brouhaha. In both cases, SD lifted a *single* measure for their intros, but the charge that either of those songs (in their entirety) were pilfered is weak beyond consideration, IMO.
But if we must then, we’d have to consider how original either one of the allegedly pilfered pieces were in the first place. In the case of Song for my Father, that II ->VV bass line pre-dates the late, great H. Silver by decades at least! And as for Jarrett (a huge hero of mine, btw) some gospel playing pianist in a church somewhere down South is missing out big time by not suing his chop shopping ass! Who KJ should really be looking into is H. Gorecki, whose “Third” sounds an awful lot like parts of Arbor Zena to me.
As for being taken advantage of… they can come back and slang me anytime!
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn Jon, come on now! There's more depth and conviction on any one of Mehldau's Art of The Trio albums that all the collected works of Steely Dan combined.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Gail - play Pixeleen till you puke, it's the only way to stop the madness.
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida roomBuy the new record immediately! To quote Donald Fagen-"It's mad, it's wiggy, I love it". Listen and learn!
Posted by: gail stroud, redlands, califI have enjoyed reading all the comments and am new to the deal but the Dan will always be king...I am also waiting for oct. 1st and universal...in the meanwhile, would someone get pixeleen out of my head...
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Gretchy baby - You are very protective of our boys and it's touching but you are in the same nasty mood as yesterday. Whazzamatter punkin' you need a hug? There. Wow are all you guys revved up in here or wha? We're all allowed to bitch, we're paying customers whatever. But you know, seriously now, there is something strange going on with the shifting setlits. Is it like they tried The Last Mall and Blues Beach and dumped them both? Odd, just very odd and disturbing cause as much as I bitched about opening night in Costa Mesa, TLM was fine, just fine for what it is, very light and goofy. Why dump EMG tunes. It's strange and curious and disturbing. Help a brother.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYThat's tjervaag.com, sorry.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYJaydee - www.teejervaag.com. One copy left.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, On The RoadYou tell 'em, Gretchen...These fair-weather fans are obviously not buying EMG nor are they buying concert tickets, as witnessed by the free lawn seat vouchers that were widely distributed for the show at Fiddler's last night...Let them bitch about set-lists and sell-outs and mailing in it...Those who know and those who go see it for what it truly is...It's the soundtrack to many of our lives and being there in person, with the right people makes it so much more than just a concert...Whiners and complainers, do us all a favor...
DON'T buy tickets to the shows, because if we are ever blessed with another tour perhaps the boys will have noticed the smaller crowds and choose to play the more intimate venues where appreciative fans can get even more what Steely Dan and the music is all about...Enough...Gotta fly now...SOH
Posted by: jon again, Wait, Peter, I'd posit that in terms of "depth", our boys could go up against Mehldau any day of the week. And Danilo Perez too for that matter!
Posted by: jon@ his stripe, Trish, re the Rolling Stones vs. Steely Dan's setlist: I don't think it's a fair comparison. While I immensely respect and admire what Mick & Co. do, I would venture to guess that it takes a helluva lot more preparation and arrangement to pull off SD's evening of tunes than it does the Stones'.
I play in a band that covers several Stones tunes and I can tell you from bitter experience that perfecting and playing "Dead Flowers" is a piece a' cake compared to doing the same for, say, "Caves of Altimira."
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandSorry if this is old ground, but I need some info on a CD called 'New York Nights' by DF 'featuring Pat Metheny'.
I think it comes from the pre-Beacon Lone Star gigs, and three of the 12 tracks are on Andy Metzger's site. But is the whole (2 disc) CD available anywhere? And who else played on it?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynYou guys that are decrying the set lists are no better than the people who think they are the cognoscenti because they listen to Steely Dan. Come on! It's summer fun, it's pop music, have a good time. If you want depth go get a Brad Mehldau CD or something. A Steely Dan summer show is supposed to be FUN.
Posted by: Gretchen, work, as usualA commercial disaster? Those of us who buy SD cd's are more discriminating than the average consumer who would buy the top sellers of today, which, in my opinion, is junk. Don and Walt are not looking for commercial success, they're just putting out their own style of music which caters to a very particular following. So I don't think you can call it a success or a failure given today's market. Lately the most successful acts are the equivalent of cheesy reality TV shows and the godawful summer movies like "Gigli".
TAKING IT OUT ON THEIR FANS? I don't think so. SD doesn't need commercial success, I don't think they could care less how the general public perceives EMG, and no one is forcing them to tour. If people are so damn disappointed with the shows and want more mainstream, go see Aerosmith.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYAre some of you guys turning a virtue into a vice with this "homage" stuff? They pilfered the song and didn't acknowledge it. It's wrong.
Posted by: RCray, haitiAJA review from Rolling Stone in August of 2001. It was featured as a classic album:
AJA - Steely Dan 1978 Classic Album
Forget for a moment the album's surreal sonic perfection, its melodic and harmonic complexity -- music so technically demanding its creators had to call in A-list session players to realize the sounds they heard in their heads but could not play, even on the instruments they had mastered. Concentrate instead on the profound sadness of Steely Dan's exquisitely arranged Aja. If you couldn't comprehend how Steely Dan, a nearly imaginary band that hadn't released a studio album in two decades, won the 2000 Album of the Year Grammy away from Radiohead and Eminem, this is the place to start understanding why.
Rock has always excelled at embodying adolescent ache. But it's rare when rock captures the complications of adult sorrows almost purely with its sound. Drummer Paul Humphrey's upstroke during the beginning of "Black Cow," the 1977 album's languid opener, is so hesitant, so world-weary that it barely catches up to the pulse he sets with his foot. On the eight-minute title track, instruments layer onto a different drummer, adding chord on top of chord, harmony on top of harmony, until tom-toms and cymbals thunder, raging all that ornate aural architecture away.
Aja's extended tracks achieve their power through a dynamic dance: Mellow, stark passages (which drew a blueprint for "smooth jazz" radio) are offset by obsessively dense musicianship, stacks of notes that grasp at euphoria. Some of the era's hottest jazz instrumentalists -- Joe Sample, Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour, Tom Scott -- soar through what's often on the surface utterly jubilant. "Peg," the album's biggest hit, is nearly disco, and "I Got the News" isn't far away. The closing cut, "Josie," almost plays the celebration straight, though its backward-looking R&B keeps getting tripped up by restless rhythms. But there are so many unresolved chords, so much sweet dissonance, that the album's sleek virtuosity collapses against itself, leaving behind a loneliness rendered mostly oblique by Donald Fagen's heady wordplay. On "Deacon Blues," he cuts through his own cleverness to paint a picture of noir-shaded simplicity: "Drink Scotch whiskey all night long and die behind the wheel." That's Aja: frustration and failure at the heart of the party.
- Barry Walters, Rolling Stone, 8/30/01.
Posted by: Andy, DCNPR aired the first segment of its two part SD feature this morning. Unfortunately, the piece was more essay than interview--I think Donald and Walter spoke two sentences during the entire thing--but it's worth checking out nonetheless. The audio is up on the NPR site at
http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1383222.html
Click on the "listen to Morning Edition audio" link to hear the piece.
Posted by: father william, boulderMaybe SD's record company is trying the stealth publicity route a la Norah Jones.
Posted by: hoops, EMG was a commercial disaster so they are taking it out on their fans????? Hey I agree EMG isn't selling as well as I would have expected or as well as 2vN, and I respect some of you with the opinion that you would like to see a set list that was almost all new songs, but I don't see how you can open up their heads and say they are taking it out on their fans. No way.
One thing I didn't see mentioned is that they have a Steely Dan satchel/laptop case. Very cool.
jim
Posted by: hoops, denverGood morning!
Hanging out in a coffee shop getting ready to fly back to Chicago.
So last night was my first Dan show and Danfest of the tour.
Danfest highlights: Great meeting so many of you at Pott's. Only disappointment was that coordinator Joey was a no-show or at least we sure didn't see him. Wendy Liu aka Melissa stepped in as the hostess and greeter.
My favorite part of the show was "Haitian Divorice." Walter owns the song as far as I am concerned. The album version will always be a classic but so is this one. Other things I dug to the hilt were the new vocal stylings of the choir, even tracks that had been played on other tours had a new twist to them. It was great. Carlock is amazing. If this were a movie poster, it would have in big print in the credits, "and featuring the amazing Keith Carolock."
"Caves" was a highlight as well. It's amazing to consider that the song was written before "Can't Buy A Thrill."
"Black Cow" was a great surprise to have back.
jim
Posted by: Trish , Last year the Rolling Stones rehersed over 200 songs for their tour. I agree with Bob SD should change up their setlist to keep it fresh. I for one follow the band and appreciate when they change the set list like the Stones last year. EMG was a commercial disaster and they are taking it out on the fans. that's bad
Trish
aka BOB
Posted by: Jerry Fan, Den.The sound was kind of messed up for the first few songs. I also thought the sound was muddy for the Parkers Band.I kind of thought that was the way they had the back up singers mixed in.
I would have trade Babalon Sisters for Green Book or EMG.
Posted by: father william, boulder. coSteve C - I was at c b potts a bit earlier and didn't find anyone and left about the same time that you arrived as I had to meet other family members and distribute tickets. As I noted in an earlier post, I think there were some sound problems in the first three songs that were improved but not completely corrected.
Posted by: Steve Casagrande, DenverDenver notes:
Don seemed a little out of it on a few songs, missing a few lyrics (someone mentioned FM, I think there were a few more).
Walt's singing sounded *great* - and this comes from someone not usually considered a huge fan of his voice. In concert, he seemed to really nail it, and had a lot of confidence.
Carlock on drums was *amazing*. Clearly the highlight of the show (well, perhaps with the exception of Carolyn Leonhart!). My wife normally doesn't like drum solos. She was revvin' up the motor scooter on Josie!
And speaking of background singers - I clicked in for tickets 1 second after they went on sale at ticketbastard. ($85+10)*3 for 3 tickets in section 103 (in front/row NN/right), best I could get. We're all the way off to the side - the support beam at Fiddlers was blocking Cindy, Carolyn and Cynthia completely. Limited view? Hell, that's practically the ENTIRE view! :-( Fortunately, we were able to scoot over about 15 seats after a couple of songs (who buys tickets and doesn't go?), and there was much rejoicing for the rest of the night. :-)
A trade of Bablyon Sisters for Last Mall/Blues Beach (or anything else from EMG) is lame. I've heard Babylon Sisters live before - give me Last Mall! Give me Green Book! Give me Lunch with Gina!
I always wanted to hear Caves of Altamira and Time Out of Mind live. The sound system didn't seem up to the task for the first couple of songs (maybe it was our seating position at the beginning), but these were fun to hear.
Don't Take Me Alive was really rockin' - they should do this every time out. Not big on the radio, but great on stage.
Finally - the danfest at C.B. Potts seemed to whimper out before it started. What happened? We showed at about 5:15, was told the "Danfest" guys left their table. Was service so slow that everyone just punted? (C.B. Potts was understaffed for the crowd - they said they had 1/3 the number of customers the night before for the Jackson Brown concert, and didn't expect so many danheads to show up). Anyway, we hung out and pried a few beers out of the bartender's hands (really hard to do when they are trying to avoid eye contact), and met a few other people who were looking for the danfest, but never found it. I kept going around, asking people "Are you Hoops?", and they'd say "no, but we're looking for him!" Damn, Hoops, my first chance to meet you in person, and I blow it!
All in all, the band seemed a bit more polished than the last one I saw (Nissan Pavillion in '96), and damn, it's always good to see the boys playing on stage!
Steve Casagrande
Denver, Colorado
Posted by: Big Fan, At work - they are shooting nails while we work into the wallsI just realized that since I'm not BMX racing anymore this year, I can go to the Tweeter Center show in Boston. That was going to be a double point race that day. Should I go? Is five shows to many? Which hotel is everyone staying this time around? I'd need to score one ticket.
Posted by: Jerry Fan, Den.I have been a long time Dan Fan.The Denver show last night was the first time I have seen them.I will just say what I think were the high lights.The caves of Altamira was wonderful.I have kind of been keeping up with the set lists so when we heard Black cow coming I thought well no Babylon Sisters but then bam there it was. In the 2nd set when they were doing Haitian Divorce I turn to my bud and said look at how happy Walter looks he seems to really like singing and playing this song, him and Jon Herington played well together.I also say that timtm plays very well live I think it's one of the high lights of the show.And Carlock is a Machine.I have read about him but when I saw him play the man is on Fire.
Posted by: Gretchen, BOB
Could YOU do any better? Are YOU any kind of musician? What makes you an authority? And, by the way, no one is forcing you to go to their concerts. You sound like you have way too much underlying anger....maybe you should have that checked out.
Posted by: father william, Boulder, COThere was also a good population of 20ish attendees in Denver in the lawn seating. I bought seven tickets and the lawn was pricey enough for seven. Our group also had two non-paying babies which the RMN reviewer probably didn't notice from the higher priced seats. As far as Donald having a few problems - I think the Rocky Mountain News Reviewer could have been correct. At mid-concert, the temperature here in Boulder was 90 degrees and the humidity was 20 per cent and altitude here can be a problem for people who aren't acclimated.
There seemed also to be some problems with the mix as it seemed to be set up to be more "punchy" - a bit clipped at times, especially for the first three songs. The TVN year concert had a mix more similar to the albums but was compressed enough to be annoying at times.
Walter seems to be getting more visible as the years pass. Both of his vocals were fine - at least I think so as my voice and range is close to his. ;-))
Overall though, it was another fine concert. I would have liked to have heard more from EMG but it was two hours long, not eight.
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Posted by: Gretchen, driving west on Sunset, to the seaRead the review of last night's concert in the Boulder News, and have to wonder whether the (as if)reviewer new the history of SD. A nostalgia band? No way. These guys are capable of far more than living on their 70's repetoire. To me, a "nostalgia" band is like a Cheap Trick or Three Dog Night, or Gary Puckett & the Union Gap. In other words, a band who doesn't really have the potential to move into another realm of music. And calling Don the weakest link of the evening? Come on, who the hell WAS this guy, anyway? I kind of like Don grizzled and sunglassed. Can't wait to see them myself.
Posted by: BOB, Rocky Mountain News Headline:
Monday's night show was described as "ROUNTINE". Despite moments of insperation, much of the show felt like going through the motions exercise. Donald stumbled over lyrics nd appeared to give up several parts of FM.
I said it then and I'll say it now SD is just mailing in this tour. THe Y2K tour was awesome. Opening the show with Boston Rag was a great choice. Then they brought back Night by Night and The Royal Scam. They Kicked A$$.
Tour 2003 is a Money for Donalds new CD project. Don and Walter have been very cocky over the years. They had a reason they were the best. Now it's time for us to vent! The Set-List sums it all up, SD is just playing it safe and cashing in. We all know they know they are capable of putting on a great show. They just decided to go through the motions and that unexceptable!!!!!!
Bitter
Bob
Posted by: FYI -, Replacing one song is not "mixing it up".
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYAlthough I just read the one in Rocky Mountain News and that one was pretty so-so. These 2 reviews both say what my sources are telling me, that Carlock is becoming the main feature of this tour. Thanks for the posts there Big Fan!
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYWell that reviewer in the Denver paper basically summed it up when he said the crowd was divided between hardcore Danheads and nostalgic boomers who just wanted to get a little buzzed and dance to old favorites. The review was also a tad hard on Don. Who was there? Is it so? Hey let's get Fez in there as an encore.
Posted by: Bifg Fan, at work - raining, raining rainingConcert review from Denver:
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/concerts/article/0,1713,BDC_2467_2159690,00.html
Boy this will start things off right here today - performances are now routine
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_2159593,00.html
Album review:
http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1383222.html
Posted by: Randall, Rollin' with the HomeysJerry Fan....You are right. Here is the new and improved setlist. Thanks for the catch.
Complete Setlist for Denver:
--First Set--
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang of Ages (WB lead vocal)
(band intros)
Peg
Home at Last
(intermission)
--Second Set--
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (WB lead vocal)
TIMTM
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take me Alive
--Encores--
My Old School
FM
--Randall
Posted by: dbeefy, high in the CusterdomePete, Chief, Bill, thanks for the 11ToW comments, will be ordering one from amazon pretty soon, will post my reactions.
Good to see some debate stirring things up on the book too, and the setlists/reviews making a reappearence. Let's keep it all going !
db
Posted by: afoolnluv, - as related to a friend a couple years ago...Walter Becker - Friday, April 7, 1995 - Slim's, San Francisco
Lucky Henry
Down in the Bottom
Book of Liars
Surf and or Die
Three Sisters (?)
Junky Girl
My Waterloo
This Moody Bastard
Hat Too Flat
Hard Up Case
Cinder Annie
Girl Next Door - encore
Jaz Jam (not played)
I remember being a little taken aback when the band broke into "Lucky Henry" - my specific reaction being "Opening with such a rhythmically dense song... that's different... pretty ballsy... cool." Around this time I start checking out the band... I remember it was the same keyboard player (bald, Yul Brenner-ish... I'm lousy with names...) as from the previous tour ('94), and a different everybody else... I think. The band of course was impressively tight; "Down in the Bottom" totally caught the groove on the album. A few songs in I think Walter remarked that the gig had been fairly quickly rehearsed, which would account for the copious about of eye contact between the keyboard player and the rest of the band...
There was a cool moment as Walter was introducing "Book of Liars". Someone yelled, "Smoke 'em if you got 'em", to which Walter chuckled and said, "Yeah, that's right. Smoke 'em if you got 'em". The reference was to the previous year's Dan tour, when he had introduced "Book.." as a kinda mutated reggae tune, and said, "So smoke 'em..." Those of us that remembered chuckled too...
I remember "Surf and or Die" being excellent. "Junkie Girl' was just amazing. Actually, all the songs stuck close to the album arrangements, and were well represented. My only regret about the show was no "Girlfriend", which was my favorite song at on the cd the time ( one of my all time recorded Walter moments is when he goes; "that's why, I'm all..." right before the chorus on "Girlfriend". So perfectly cool, deadpan, chill, Springer, au courant [in '94], and nailed. I tend to tweek on the esoteric details sometimes, like the way Donald pronounces quarter "qwa-ta" in songs. Love it.) And I don't think they did "Cringemaker" either which would have been perfect for the Friday night bar party type crowd.
Now, the weird thing is I don't remember the song "Three Sisters", unless it is another song with with different title, like "Cinder Annie" = "Little Kawai". I tend to have better recollections of unfamiliar songs, especially by Don and Walt. For instance, I remember "Girl Next Door", or "The Girl Next Door to the Methadone Clinic", as being a kind of slow tempo country waltz (try it with the longer title, pausing after "girl" and "door") with funny lyrics I remember as "affectionately sardonic." (yet another great tune) That said, I think I would have at least a small recollection of something called "Three Sisters", so I'm pretty sure it didn't happen, barring any X-files-esque "missing time".
Speaking of "didn't happen", they didn't play "Jaz Jam", which I assume it was along the lines of "something in the key of..." in case they needed to fill time. That would have been interesting.
Walter seemed to be in good humor the whole night, and really seemed to enjoy himself. He said "Goodnight. Thanks for coming out." and left the stage. The crowd was really impressed and responded with sincere enthusiasm, not polite "this is where we are supposed to clap" stuff. I remember being elated, but dumbfounded that it was over. Somehow I had the presence of mind to stagger towards the front of the stage and ask a stage tech for the set list still taped to the stage...
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That's as I remembered it then. I one of you remember them actually playing "Three Sisters" then I left some brain cells somewhere on the floor of Slim's. And it wouldn't be the first time...
Posted by: Lutz, "Also saw the Slims show' , do you have any footage or how do you remember so well ? I hope WB will release another album and these songs will see the light of day !
Posted by: Lutz,
Posted by: Jerry Fan, Den.How about the Babylon Sisters Before or after black cow
Posted by: Randall, Relaxing at CamarilloComplete Setlist for Denver:
--First Set--
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Slang of Ages (WB lead vocal)
(band intros)
Peg
Home at Last
(intermission)
--Second Set--
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (WB lead vocal)
TIMTM
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take me Alive
--Encores--
My Old School
FM
--Randall
Posted by: DACW , Bill: There's also a third demo of 2nd Arrangement - very short...maybe 15 sec. It is to my knowledge a mid-version of the ORIGINAL featuring the unmistable real drumming (not Wendel) of Jeff Porcaro...
...Both 2nd Arrangment and Can't Write Home About You are just fabulous songs...too bad they never made it on an album or played live. You Got the Bear (of something like that) is something else...
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, CTSorry, Duke. I, too would love to find a nice DANWORTHY gentleman to go to a concert or two with, but I'm on the East coast. Are there any single Dan fan males (musicians preferred) in the Northeast/ny/ct area who may like to share our passion for the Dan? Friends first, of course. Send me your pic and I'll send you mine.
Posted by: THE DUKE OF EARL, CHICAGOLOOKING FOR AN AMSTERDAM GIRL, FOR THIS FRIDAY'S CHICAGO CONCERT...have a nice ticket to share, or sell...looking for "Pixeleen," "Josie," "Peg," or someone like her: single, unattached, etc., where Freebie is concerned. Have 85-buck ticket, will sell OR, PREFERABLY, "COOL FIRST DATE." (What better to have in common --- other than Love for each other ---- than a love for The Dan??) Come back ASAP, jkatt@ix.netcom.com and we'll cover every game in town.
Posted by: Randall, MDEr...Denver
Posted by: Randall, MDDallas first Set:
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Slang of Ages
(band intros)
Peg
Home at Last
Looks like the Boys are mixing it up a bit.
Special thanks to South of Hollywood for the phone hookup...Ain't technology grand?
More later...or, whatever.
--Randall
Posted by: darren, Hello,
i have been checking out the bluebook for about a week now trying to get a feel for what will be played when the boy's come to toronto on the 14th.
i have seen every tour since and including the ny rock and soul review and just wish some of you people would stop your bloody crying about the set lists and stuff.
sure there are songs i would also like to see be played but go see any other group over the years and they are playing the same stuff year after year.
just be thankful you have the chance to witness the god like talent of steely dan live and if you don't like them playing tunes like peg and josie (which for a bass and drum tune there is hard to find better)sit at home and whineby your self and let everyone else enjoy the shows.
Posted by: Also Saw the Slims Show, Becker's Slims show in SF was great. The Lost Tribe was hot. And it was fun seeing Walter run the show. And the unreleased songs "Three Sisters Shakin'", "Cinder Annie", and "The Girl Next Door To The Methadone Clinic" were really cool. Especially "Three Sisters".
Posted by: John, Hey Dan Heads!
I've got an extra ticket for this Thursday's Steely Dan concert, Thu, 8/7/03 7:30 PM, Xcel Energy Center at Rivercentre St Paul, MN.
E-mail me at - jkv99@hotmail.com - if you are interested. Seat is really good!
Posted by: Robin, John,
Many thanks for the heads-up. I will be tuned in tomorrow!
Posted by: Lutz, In regard to the 11TOW postings : Becker played a show in 1995 with the guys from Lost Tribe at a club called Slims in SF owned by Bozz Scaggs . I believe for a fund-raiser. He was talking bittersweet about having gone through a divorce recently . What a great concert - guitar vocals and the whole band sounded impeccable . They played a killer song called '3 Sisters' has anyone heard of it anywhere else ?
Zappa's last tour in 1988 was in the red because he cancelled 40-50 shows, and sent the band home after most of the guys refused to play on with the bass player. The band was incredible . They rehearsed for 2 months before the tour , 8 hours a day, over 100 songs and that cost was never fully recovered I guess . He released two 2cd's sets though and made most of the money back - as the Zappa's were still able to support the democratic party with 6 figure amounts , much of it by his wife though after he died.
His other tours were profitable , since he also released a lot of this material on cd's .
Posted by: John, Evidently NPR Morning Edition will feature a two-part series on Steely Dan starting Tuesday morning. This from the NPR site:
Steely Dan: 'Everything Must Go'
Familiar Sound, Subtle Differences on Special in Duo's Latest CD
Aug. 5, 2003 -- If Steely Dan's new album sounds familiar, it's because it features the distinctive style -- the smooth but funky jazz -- that Walter Becker and Donald Fagen have brought to their music for more than 30 years.
"It's only when you listen closely that you start to hear the subtle variations within that style," NPR's Steve Inskeep says in a two-part report on the band on Morning Edition. "An unfamiliar rhythm, or a bright new melody... plays off against the words of bitter, nasty, beaten, characters in an album called Everything Must Go."
They write about older characters on their new release -- people shutting down businesses, closing down marriages. But they're still drawing on the same mixture of pop tunes and jazz recordings they admired while growing up in the 1950s and '60s.
"I think we formed our values when we were pretty young that probably haven't changed that much," Fagen says. "Music we listened to, what we read... and the contrast between art and what we lived through at the time, that sort of formed the basis of where we're coming from."
Becker adds: "I think there's even more... the march of post-modernity has been reflected in our work. We are even more self-referential than we were."
And every bit as funny. Fagen doesn't let his musical partner get too far with his last remark: "When is the post-modernity march?"
Becker doesn't miss a beat: "It's going to be in about 10 minutes, actually. We're on the irony float this year."
Posted by: Peg, Smoking with the boys upstairsYou guys need some cheese go to with your WHINE. First of all, My Old School is a great crowd-pleasing number to (nearly) close out a show. (Although I agree FM is not my fave..) Second, what is up with this bad concert reviews business? I just looked all over Google for any kind of "bad" review and found none. Somebody point me to it. And if someone reviews the show and is not thrilled, I would not be surprised if they were just like the dude who reviews the shows here for the Cincinnati Enquirer -- and he was so stupid he said they did Babylon Sisters back in 2000 -- a song they never played!!! Sheesh.
For a really intelligent review of EMG, check out the one posted last month on msn.com's Slate region. It is choice. Be sure to click on the author's personal views of Fagen's role as narrator to the songs. It is at http://slate.msn.com/id/2084479/....
Personally I can't WAIT until the Columbus show! Yeah! For Chicago, Hoopsie, sounds like a great time at the Tavern -- do they still have that sign at the place that says, "Thank you for leaving"??
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynBill - basically you're saying SD's music is too orchestral. Mike - Coltrane does not take credit as the composer of those compositions.
Posted by: 2003 Lackluster tour, Lukewarm reviews, bad sound, pathetic ticket sales, State Fair venues....Tour 2k it ain't.
Posted by: m, lbi, njthink coltrane and "My Favorite Things", "Greensleeves", etc.
mikem-lbi, nj
>>Date: Mon, August 04, 2003, 17:25:57 ET
>>Posted by: hoops,
>>"Rikki" has an inspired piano intro from 'Song for My Father?' >>YES! Does 'Rikki' = S4MF? NO. Silver, in interviews I've seen >>seemed not to mind and it's common for this sort of thing in jazz, >>for a song to be taken elsewhere, by others in homage. Heck, blues >>great John Lee Hooker and Van Morrison used to do this to each >>other all the time.
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njbill, i may be wrong here, but isn't the band that recorded EMG also touring it this year?
-@-mikem, lbi, nj
>>Date: Mon, August 04, 2003, 18:09:28 ET
>>Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh
>>Steely Dan relies on hired hands, damned good ones, but hired >>hands just the same.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghI mentioned the Allman Brothers on purpose because they are a band that generally exists all the time, touring regularly, with some fairly dramatic personnel changes now and then (departure of Dickey Betts being one) but a lineup that stays relatively stable and that has the ability to draw on its extensive back catalog because they play a lot. Steely Dan has probably never been that kind of real "band," not even in the early 70s. Those 70's sets didn't very much, either.
Steely Dan relies on hired hands, damned good ones, but hired hands just the same. Certainly some of them return every time (Barney, Bumpus), and others stay on board for multiple tours, but they play with the Dan only for a few months every few years, and they don't learn the entire recorded repertoire. Also, all due respect to the Allmans, who I like a lot, their material is a bit easier to rehearse than the Dan's, even the trademark Allman harmonized guitar leads. A four hour Allmans show would contain more two-chord vamp jamming and less structured arrangements than a theoretical four hour Steely Dan show would (well, we can wish, can't we).
To rehearse that kind of volume of complex material would cost big bucks, cause guys of this caliber don't blow off paying gigs to rehearse for free. It can be done - Zappa did it, and it cost him a fortune. He finally gave up touring long before his health declined, partially due to the enormous cash drain.
>>Well this raises an interesting point Bill, since you mentioned the Allmans. Here in NYC they play an entire month at the Beacon Theater every year and never play their most commercially successful songs; and they rotate sets; and they play long, long shows, sometimes close to 4 hours. So what's the deal with Don and Walt? To be honest with you, 3 years is ample time to rehearse a couple different sets.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghOnly the very intro of Rikki borrows from Song For My Father. The rest of the song is very different. As for being cutting edge, in the 70s they didn't sound too much like early Weather Report, Mahavishnu or Bitches Brew-era Miles, either, which was then on the more accessiable side of "cutting edge," not to mention even more avant garde jazz artists of the time like Art Ensemble of Chigago, Cecil Taylor and WSQ who didn't sell a fraction of what WR and McLaughlin did. Steely Dan incorporates jazz and R&B elements into a modified pop format, and thank god they haven't tried to "keep up" with the garbage that passes for pop these days.
Posted by: steelydoubt, there are at least two versions of kulee baba and one file mislabled as kulee baba
new orleans - camaroon
brodcast-telecast
Posted by: hoops, Right on, Lisa & Gretchen. I reserve any more judgement until after tonight's show.
"Rikki" has an inspired piano intro from 'Song for My Father?' YES! Does 'Rikki' = S4MF? NO. Silver, in interviews I've seen seemed not to mind and it's common for this sort of thing in jazz, for a song to be taken elsewhere, by others in homage. Heck, blues great John Lee Hooker and Van Morrison used to do this to each other all the time.
Of course, Keith Jarrett didn't like it when they were homaged by D + W on
"Gaucho;" the story goes Jarrett didn't like being copped by rockers...don't know how true that is.
Just a few hours.
jim
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn Gretch: If you can find the album Hear No Evil by Bill Laswell, probably on half.com, and Escape by the sax player Bill Evans, also probably there,you'll see what I mean by the cutting edge.
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, PETER Q:
I don't know about Laswell, Stern, or Evans. How are they on the cutting edge? Would you reccommend I listen? Are they fusion-y at all? Always looking for something interesting musicwise. I wouldn't say Kool and the Gang!! SD never went wimpy like Kool did! Come on, "Cherish?" "Celebration?" (Although Jungle Boogie is one of those tunes you hate to admit you like).
Posted by: Gretchen, RAJAH
Horace Silver was one of the great jazz musicians of whom W & D were great fans. One of his most famous tunes, "Song for my father" (an excellent tune, one of my all time favorites) had an intro that inspired the piano intro to "Rikki." I don't think it was lifted, it was just a "heavy inspiration".
Does anyone know more about Kulee Baba? The Metzger site's tune has it as Kulee Baba and Talkin' about my home, where as the Metal Leg website's lyric's page don't match at all. What's with that?
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYRajah - Horace Silver is one of the 3 or 4 greatest hard bop pianists of all time; Rikki is a ripoff, not for note, of his song "Song For My Father."
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI half agree with you Gretchen, but they're not on the cutting edge of jazz-rock anymore. They're a pop band. Compared to people who really are on the cutting edge , like Bill Laswell, Leni Stern, Bill Evans (the sax player not the pianist), Jim Beard, etc. they're light years out of the loop. But that doesn't mean people can't have fun and enjoy the music. With the rise of the Internet, SD became a feel good party band. In principle they're no different from Kool & The Gang.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.We're heating up now folks --
Bob - well, "coasting" no, I believe they have too much integrity for that. I think these first six shows are warm-ups where they're trying not to put too much pressure on themselves. Evidence the venues thus far: these hell-hole outdoor sheds, I mean the places are beautiful but the sound is just NOT gonna be the same as a legit theatre, where the west coast Dandom are laid back and appreciative, generally; then they wend their way east to the heartland about which they've always said are very tough gigs because the crowds generally like the well-worn hits; then their eastcoast fan base, the magnifying glass will really be out so they must play their best; then back out to the glitzy pressure cooker that is the Universal Amphitheater, and all their old LA connections, before giving two encore concerts, really, in Hawaii. My bet is they get it together.
Bill - 2nd Arrangement has the potential to still be a great tune. Don't be afraid of what sounds like a disco beat, their rhythmns never end up disappointing, the music behind "just one red rose and a tender goodbye" is bewitching. Even in it's present form
Chief help me, who is Horace Silver and what's the story on Rikki?
3rd World Man - I believe it's probably where they place the beat on the 90s arrangement of Home At Last. It's still the same great song, just that the chorus sings slightly after the beat you're used to, not on it. Tony Bennett has been criticized for doing that for years.
Posted by: Gretchen, You said it, Lisa!!
Those albums gave me a lot, too. Nothing can comfort like the music of SD.
Posted by: Lisa, DenverWas walking down the 16th St Mall during lunch. Bumped into Ted Baker and Jim Pugh. I didn't know what to say. Holy Cow! THEEYYY'RRE HERRRRE!
I can understand if someone attended a show and had a negative opinion about the set list. But I can't understand how those of you who have not seen the show can complain about the set.
GIVE IT A CHANCE! Sheesh Are you saying we should just stay home? No I can't see that. Those 7 albums gave me so much through the years. They are still fresh to me.
See you in a few at the Danfest!
Lisa
Posted by: Gretchen, A real negative girlI agree with Peter Q in that people should stop complaining. However, they're not really a "pop" group anymore. They're more jazz-rock songwriters who happened to have some pop hits way back when. Most of us love them for their ability NOT to appeal to the masses, and their innovative lyrics and jazz integration. When they did have pop hits, the culture was not as dumbed down as it is now and had the ability to accept their style. Pop now to me is Eminem (yikes) Jlo(yuck) and Madonna (enough, allready). Yeah, they would draw the crowds, but there's no accounting for taste. We, as a group, (danfans, I mean) tend to be more tasteful people. Never met one I didn't like.
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, sheepish, kinda like the state of Idaho...the CIA wrote:
"Idaho...it's not where Ted Kacynzki lived, although there are an awful lot of white people here."
dammit... why don't WE have a state slogan like that!
Missed ya at the concert, babes....
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: The Cultured Idahoans Association (CIA), We must take issue with a recent post which referred to an Idaho resident as a "hick danfan from the sticks" . Communities in Idaho offer many and diverse cultural attractions, among them symphony orchestras, opera, drive-in movie theatres, numerous Blockbuster video outlets, and even one or two Barnes and Noble Bookstores.
Idaho...it's not where Ted Kacynzki lived, although there are an awful lot of white people here.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynHey you guys moaning about the set list - get over it! Not that I like it either, but they're a pop group and they play shows like a pop group does. That's it! All this nonsense about "cerebral" fans blah blah blah, that's hokum. People want to hear Hey 19 and Peg . People go to these shows for the same reasons they go to the movies, to have a good time. I look at the venue lists of the halls where they play and guess what? It's the same acts all over the country - Mariah Carey, Hall and Oates, James Taylor, Def Leppard, ad infinitum. IT"S POP MUSIC AT POP VENUES. Learn to live with it.
Posted by: Gretchen, a yellow jagRAJAH!!
I am feeling poorly today. Started as soon as I left the house here in the most humid place on earth. So I'm snarky and weepy and generally feel like Linus without his blanket. Can't wait to go home and hunker down and read more postings.
Posted by: bill, againA soundcheck of Black Cow! That's a good sign - it was a major highlight in '96 and got the loudest crowd reaction of the show. Deacon Blues is always welcome and with the extended sax solo is never the same twice (Cornelius takes that one, right?)
I have to wonder if there are any songs that have never been played that are stuffed into the sheet music folders for hauling out later, or are they only pulling out existing arrangements from prior years. They did Pretzel Logic in the video in Y2K and were seen rehearsing 2vN between interview segments, so those arrangements exist. We can only hope for a Dr. Wu before tour's end.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYWell this raises an interesting point Bill, since you mentioned the Allmans. Here in NYC they play an entire month at the Beacon Theater every year and never play their most commercially successful songs; and they rotate sets; and they play long, long shows, sometimes close to 4 hours. So what's the deal with Don and Walt? To be honest with you, 3 years is ample time to rehearse a couple different sets.
Posted by: Sad it's over..., PortlandJust chiming in to say to all the people moaning about the setlist and making exaggerated claims that the band is "coasting" or that DF "Doesn't care"... you all need to step back and wait until you've SEEN this year's show. Then you can bitch about it if that's still your frame of mind.
Of course, it would be fantastic to have the band play some of the more obscure songs from the past that we long for, not to mention including more recent songs like Lunch with Gina or EMG. But like Bill mentioned in his post (not verbatim), it's hard to sell tickets to large venues where the "hits" aren't being played.
The band is tight. Donald's voice is strong and he looks hot (wore a pink Kauai, Hawaii shirt at the Gorge). Walter is stealth. The ladies are fun and beautiful. Carlock and Barney work magic together. Ted Baker is amazing on the ivories, and if you let them, the entire horn section can project you into another world. If I had to make one complaint, it would be that Herrington isn't rocking out enough.
I seriously doubt that they're "recycling" some songs from last tour because they're lazy. That's idiotic. Even the same songs from last tour are varied, whether by the horn arrangments, certain time signatures, whatever. Perhaps only the encores are duplicates, but even then, no song is ever exactly the same twice, when played live. I agree, though, I would love for them to change out the encores. Both of those encores have been overplayed for the BIG fans, but for the occasional fans or the newly introduced... these are songs they can relate to from the radio, and these are the people bringing in the majority of the money, as we all know (and read in the Gorge post from yesterday).
I was lucky enough to witness, along with my best friend, the sound check and warm up from the Gorge show. No visuals, of course, we were far away, but their sweet notes floated through the Gorge and into where were were sitting (away from the campground). It was an auditory honor to witness that ... and we heard Black Cow and Deacon Blues. I was a little surprised that they didn't play those for that night's show, but then again, I'm selfish enough to just enjoy that I heard them in my own private little concert.
ENJOY SD! Other than a few sound complaints, I don't hear many people griping *after* they see them play (other than the guy who got gypped at that California venue where they only played one encore).
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghAs to repetitive set lists from tour to tour, there has been a pattern since 93 of more adventurous song choices early in the tour, lukewarm crowd reaction, then replacing lesser known tunes with the crowd-pleasers. The lackluster promotion of EMG isn't helping much, either. I doubt D&W prefer playing the "hits" - in fact they only resumed touring in 93 when they had some new material to play from their solo albums and it was that new material that inspired them to play live. I'd rather hear more new stuff too, and unplayed old stuff (DR. WU!!) but arranging for, organizing and rehearsing a large and expensive band like this probably requires them to go back to what has worked in the past. I don't call this coasting, instead it's the reality of touring. Few acts staffed by hired players (as opposed to organic, self-contained bands like the Dead or Allmans) have been able to do otherwise.
One exception was the late, great Frank Zappa's last years of touring when he had a huge band of amazing players, full horn section, etc. and had worked up a wealth of material that they rotated from night to night on tour. They were not constrained by needing to play "hits" to fill seats, and FZ always said he lost money on those tours.
Posted by: Gary, NJHoops your right. Change the encore. I'd kill to see them perform Lunch With Gina.
Posted by: DAVIS, BostonI totally agree Bob, big let down as far as I am concerned. I mean the band is basically the same, they knew the songs, what did they rehearse for 2 days?? I hope Walter doesnt sing on any of the classic tunes. I still cant wait for the show, but this Tour is definately lacking the buzz and excitement as Tours past.
Posted by: BOB, Steely Dan is coasting. DF just trying to earn $$$ for his solo CD. Walter Becker is and will always be a long for the ride. Proof look at the Set-List. How long do you think it took SD to put together that Set-List. They have been playing the same old songs for the last 10 years. This is a hungry for money tour! Come on Peg, Jose, Hey 19 and the same encore as 2000 with Old School and Fm not to mention they always close with Take Me Alive. ( I love that song!) Can't they at least play Pretzel Logic for Christ Sake.
Bitter
Bob
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYHoops - after the Rikki Don't Lose That Number thing with Horace Silver and the Gaucho thing with Jarrett I'm not sure I would take the integrity route. And yes, I know a reporter for that esteemed paper, how did you know?
Posted by: davis, BostonHoops or anyone,,, Any activites planned for the Sat Aug 16th Show at Tweeter Center???
PS Im not crazy about the set lists thus far. I dont htink they had enough time to practice to be honest,,
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghSomething just occurred to me triggered by all the posts from Raj and the recent discussion of The Second Arrangement:
Why does the narrator of "Godwhacker" refer to the Rajahs of "Erase?" Convenient rhyme and a good nickname for a hitman, I suppose, but D&W have themselves been the victim of some erasing in the old days, and not the kind practiced by the Sopranos.
I must be one of the few who doesn't "get" TSR. In its abortive re-recorded form on Andy's site it sounds too disco-fied, like a warmed-over Glamour Profession, which until I heard it live was my least favorite SD track. I have not heard the piano demo, and will need to wait until I get home to do so (firewalls at work) but there are many other unreleased songs that I'd rather hear done right, including Mobile Home and Sun Mountain for starters.
Some other musings on recent posts:
Don and Walt love classic R&B, so I suspect any funk in Walter's bass playing is derived from the old school Duck Dunn/James Jamerson variety and not the relatively-newfangled slapping they attempted to discourage during the recording of Peg, nor to me does it have any connection to contemporary rock bassists of the early 70s as was suggested. I could be wrong.
If you don't have 11TOW, get it just so you can see for yourself what Walter brings to the SD banquet - brilliant lyrics, sardonic humor, off-kilter melodic ideas, grooves to burn (although unfortunately very little real drums on this rather low-budget affair). Before 2vN came out, this was my most-played SD-related CD. Like Donald's solo albums, this one is more personal and introspective than the usual SD third-party noir storytelling. There is a palpable sense that the downward personal spiral depicted in several songs is something Walter knows a lot about. There are plenty of light moments too, including the alien/alienation fantasy Hat Too Flat and the domestic dad-to-son non-whack track Little Kawai. You may even come to appreciate Walter's voice, although many people don't. I do.
Walter also uses a few hot guest guitarists on this project (especially on Lucky Henry) so his dominance on 2VN and EMG should not be attributed to egomania. In fact he is generally self-effacing about his talents in interviews and elsewhere.
Posted by: hoops, Who's the source, Chief? Just wondering since the gamut runs from Walter and Donald announcing at their web site to the schmucks at Chicago Sun-Times—just trying to get where they are coming from, what axes they might have to grind, place of authority, etc. Pretty heavy statement to say someone of the integrity of SD would be coasting.
Posted by: 3rd World Man, SeattleI'm not hearing much in here (substantively) about the Gorge. Let me offer the following:
1) The change they've made to Home At Last screws up the essence of that song. The change is so weird, I can't even explain it - but at first we thought it was a mistake.
2) Gotta admit, not a big fan of WB singing. If he must sing, Haitian Divorce was not a good choice. HD demands DF's nasally tenor.
3) The horn arrangement on Godwhacker was phenomenal. That song will become a SD classic.
4) Aja, Caves, Babylon and Josie were huge.
5) The Encore sucks. Old School and FM! Give me a break. That's when they should pull out the good shit.
6) The Gorge is best place to see a concert - period. WB confirmed that. The campground and its patrons create a very cool scene - hung out until noon the next day.
Later...
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYFrom what my sources tell me the band is coasting and Carlock is totally stealing every show. If I walk up that goddam 5 mile hill from the parking lot to the stage area in the PNC for that I'l be pissed. At least at Jones Beach I can sack out like a dead whale in the bleachers.
Posted by: angel, Going along with Hoops regarding changing the name.
It would be like art imitating life and then life imitating art. Too freaky for me....
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Gretchen - I said the list was a mess the first night as evidenced by the fact Home At Last and the entire encore were not played due to the stifling local ordinances in Costa Mesa, CA so there goes the flow right there. In addition, The Last Mall, Do It Again and Reelin in the Years have been removed in favor of Babylon Sisters and Blues Beach. That's a radically different show all these other good folks of the Book have seen. I'm still struggling to overcome feelings of deprivation. So I'm learning how to meditate until the Universal shows. We'll see how that goes for me.
So let's review my esteemed Gretchy: the Raj doesn't consider THEM a mess, just their first night setlist. By the by, are you feeling poorly, cause you're cussing like a longshoreman and, in what I consider the greater sin: misreading the Rajah.
Posted by: hoops, Just a reminder about the
CHICAGO DANFEST & WING DING.
We'll meet at 4:30 pm before the show at the Billy Goat Inn which is just east down the boulevard of the United Center —Madison Street at Ogden Avenue. The Billy Goat Inn is run by the same people who run the Billy Goat Tavern, made famous on the old SNL skit, "Cheeseborger-cheeseborger-cheeseborger...no Coke, only Pepsi...no fries-only chips." That's NOT why were meeting there—it just happens to be very close and accomodating. While the Billy Goat Tavern is a hole in the wall buried below grade in lower Michigan Avenue, this is a standard bar and grill that also serves Coke and fries, as well as Pepsi and chips. (IMHO, they should stick to the theme of no coke and no fries.)
Afterwards, we'll trek over to the Clark Street Alehouse—Clark Street just south of Chicago Avenue. A favorite meeting place for Chicago Danfans, we'll slug the juke box so that "Decade" plays for hours. A great time was had by all at previous 'fests.
Travel advice, etc coming later today to http://www.dandom.com/danfests/chicago
Sign up for the Chicago Danfest list at the above URL.
jim
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.I was looking at the tour schedule and I note that there are ten days between the 1st and 2nd legs. So now my hope is that after the break, they come back with an encore that includes Dr. Wu instead of FM, and Gina in lieu of Hey 19. They've gotten rid of my other two bugaboos, Reelin and Do It Again. So I'm feeling lucky here.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYThis "let's be thankful they're touring" stuff is hilarious. 40 shows every five years? People, please. There are top of the line jazz players who play 250 shows a year for 20 years straight. Please.
Posted by: hoops, denverRe: The Encore.
I think ""My Old School" and "FM" are the classic songs for Steely Dan's encore. They sum up Steely Dan in a lot of ways and they rock. SD was The Band that got me in College and SD is what classic FM radio was and is all about. And their songs EVERYONE--casual fans and die-hards alike--can get into. If they wanted to mix it up, I might put "Bodhisattva" in rotation with "My Old School" and "FM." I've been to over three dozen SD shows (I know, not as many as some of you) and I am still not tired of these.
Mike B:
Regarding the credit card/coffee mug promos at the show, it reminded me of Boston 2000 when, as part of some bizarre promotion, everyone was handed a Curad "Band-Aid" (I know mixing trademarks) on exit from the show.
Ralph:
You're right, Steely Dan isn't Jazz, despite their influences. Becker / Fagen say so themselves.
Mike:
Funk Filharmonik is awesome!
Rex:
From what I can tell at TM.com, the show does start at 6:30 pm--makes sense since it's just about the time of the equinox and the sun sets right about then. I'm counting on the show ending at 9:30 PM so I can catch the post-midnight red eye back to Chicago for Monday class.
REVIEWERS:
Thanks for all the reviews!
Audience Recordings, boots:
Yes, critics, these bootleg audience recordings exist—can't deny they don't, but they offering, trading, swapping on the Blue is a big no-no.
Mike:
No, not changing to "Greenbook" for the tour. When this place was started, it was simply listed as the "experimental guestbook" and it was figured it would name itself. "Bluebook" is what everyone started calling it. "Green Room" was selected last year when chat for the Blue was first discussed since green was an available color and a "Greenroom" is where people hang out to casually chat before being interviewed. Thought it was cool. Had no idea at the time there would be a song named "Green Book."
Looking forward to the first show tonight. Surprised Joey hasn't been sighted today.
peace-out
jim
Posted by: gretchen, the room at the top of the stairsRajah,
Why yes I'm a lady. That's why I used the *****'s. How could you say they're a mess? C'mon, man, why doesn't everyone stop slamming our boys?
Posted by: YGK, NYCIf I can handle it, I want to make a sign saying, "Damn, She Skipped Dimensions", for use during Slang.......and I encourage all of yous to scream the appropriate phrase during the song.....
like.......
"Damn!
She skipped DIMENSIONS!"
my $.02
ygk
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Hey Bob - you certainly have the right to air your complaints on the setlist, as a paying customer, you have that right. Now I saw the first show and the list was just a mess, really. They've tightened it up quite a bit, jettisoning Reeling and Do It Again. But I have to agree with you on the encore of Old School and FM. FM especially gets my goat, it's great when they play it but I would've liked to have heard a different encore, a really different encore. We may yet see that happen.
Gretchen - what a potty mouth! I thought you were a lady.
Posted by: Rindy, Big AppleGretchen - you tell him, girl!
Many of the songs Bob listed as his favorites from Y2K tour are also being played this tour
Additions of EMG tunes (I'd like to hear EMG!), Parker's Band, Caves, etc. are great
Mellow out, Bob & be thankful they are touring!
-Rindy
Posted by: RCray, NYCI am actually looking forward to the set list. Don't take me alive and Haitian Divorce are great tunes.
Also, Hey 19 hasn't popped up in a few years.
I am a little surprised that Deacon Blues is being left out. That song is a rite of passage for us fans, IMO.
I am just happy that they are touring. Remember the 70's. I was dying to see them after Scam and AJA came out.
Posted by: Gretchen, workBOB:
Don't be so F***ing bitter, Bob old boy! What kind of a fan are you, anyway, to turn on them like a rabid pit bull who just got neutered? If you're that big a fan, inane things like an encore set list being the same as it was 3 f***ing years ago wouldn't get your goat. And what the hell do you mean by the fan base dwindling? Unless we're dying off, which I don't think is true yet, anyway, youre talking out of your a**. So shut up and let me get back to work.
Posted by: Pine Knob, Auburn HillsJust scored 7th row at pine knob in michigan from ticketmaster.
amazing considering I bought tix the day they went on sale and got 34th row and paid the same...172 bucks for two seats.
Anyone want those seats?
Posted by: BOB, The YTK Steely Dan tour was the best tour by far. They had a great set-list.
The Boston Rag
Night by Night
Black Friday
West of Hollywood
Roay Scam
Jack of Speed
Old School
Take me Alive
Peg
Josie
Kid C.
FM
I saw SD 4 times on that tour. The Set-list changed 3 out of 4 times. They really put in an effort choosing and playing the 2000 Set-List.
The 2003 Set-List is a freakin' joke! They didn't put any effort at all choosing this set-list. The encore is the exact same encore from 2000! What's up with that! They are just raising ticket prices and mailing it in to earn some extra $$$.
DF is already working on a solo CD and doesn't care about this tour. They are cheating the loyal SD fans.
When they first decided to tour back in 1993 they had a bigger fan base and were able to fill outdoor stadiums. Now they're lucky to sell 10,000 tickets.
If they really cared about touring they would have taken more time and choosed a more challenging Set-List.
Just because their fan base is dwindling doesn't give them to right to mail it in. I paid $90.00 for my tickets which gives me the right to B!tch.
B!tching
Bob
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYThere are also players on 11TOW you would never hear on an SD album, like Ben Perowsky and the bassist Fima Ephron. Becker was producing their albums at the time. They're too raunchy for Fagen.
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn Beefy 11TOW is the least like SD of all the solo albums. Musically, Fagen's albums are much more like SD. However the lyrics are more like SD. Walter actually rocks out on a few tunes.
Posted by: dbeefy, this morning was like any otherJaydee, I'm also in London and agree with you. No Wembley or Earls Court please. Royal Albert Hall all the way. (next year, please?)
Diane : I'm in work and can't spend a lot of time composing a suitable post, but in a word, thanks. That was amazing to read, I'm sure Danfans everywhere are proud of you. :)
Walter singing -well I love Slang, and like the idea of him doing HD. I'd also agree with someone earlier who posted a quiet question about live recordings of the gigs. Hmm...yes please! On a similar note, what are people's opinions on 11 Tracks of Whack? I'm going to get it soon and complete my collection but would appreciate some comments about what I'm in for..
ah well, back to work
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, CTAppreciated the review of the Gorge, but just want to clarify I have NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with any male/female bartender calling himself Gretchen. Yikes! My name REALLY is Gretchen (due to my mother seeing some Natalie Wood flick where she played a Gretchen right before I was born)and I am a female. Although I'll be happy to make Cuban Breezes for anyone. In fact, I could use one now. I like the whole Rolfe concept. But please, no more Gretchen impostors. I'M THE ONLY ONE.
Posted by: Jaydee, LondonDiane - excellent stream-of-consciousness report on the whole Gorge adventure.
It certainly looks stunning on back of Live CD, but my ideal venue for SD would be London's Royal Albert Hall. No canyons or mountains, but pristine sound, as befits our premier classical arena, unobstructed sightlines, and relaxed 'security' - just right for the perfect Dan experience.
So, if they ever do play UK again (please, we deserve it), let's forget Wembley (it's for Def Leppard and the Horse of the Year Show) and go for a Steely Dan 'Prom'.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghCable was running "Ghostbusters" over the weekend. Hadn't seen it before in its entirety, but again I was reminded of my initial reaction to the song 2vN having been inspired partially by that film (along with various other paranormal and voodoo themes). Especially the little TV commercial the Ghostbusters produce, and those electronic flamethrower things on their backs could have been the protoype of the "firemop." There's even a Madame Erzuli-like sequence that I suspect was edited for TV. No kitties were turned inside out during the making of this film, apparently. The NYC setting is also SD home turf, although a brief glimpse of the Twin Towers is sobering and all the high-rise mayhem at the end is hard to take in the intended comic spirit post-9/11.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynLOL We gotta get some of these Gorge folks to see a show at Roseland, hey New York Danheads? LOL.
Posted by: Nazman, Northern CaliforniadianeDianeDIANE
That was quite the reporting. You describe a situation that i definitely feel part of. God knows i get very worked up about Steely Dan, ESPECIALLY when they are on tour. And God knows because my feeling is that Donald Fagen IS God. For all intent and purposes that is. I just can't believe what this guy has created. Dandom for one. Anyway, i would love to be one to join you on the next mission to the Gorge. if that's their favorite place to play i wanna be there. It's now on my dream list. What's interesting is that i did my damnest to create that feeling down at Konocti Harbor. In my mind it had some promise to be the greatest show on the tour because many of us worked very hard to built appreciation for the band. Let's face it. We all want em back. We want em to remember our venues. It's that fascinating in itself. We all want em back before they even arrive. It is truly a love affair to the nth degree. I got it bad. Have been eating sleeping and dreaming Dandom since Konocti. Jumped on board for another show down at Concord (Chronicle) Pavillion in October to return myself to LOOKING FORWARD living. I share with all Dandom my overwhelming desire to keep the Band touring. It's good living. Phenomenal music. A lovefest for sure.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliSlampo! Slamponestese' de mi diggi diggi! En pais tuvieron los recuerdos di WEISKOPF, Man of Many Colors, slampo! Ai mama'!! Dios mio, Jesus Cristo, prayers for me! Wow! Slampomestese'! Nunca en mi vida, never in my life, you no se' que WEISKOPF tocando con STEELO DON! Holy shit! Mamasita'! Wow! Caramba baby! Revelacion! Mi diggi diggi!
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, slouching off to babylonOkay, listen. We all know that Don and Walt always say what a great audience they are playing for. But anyone who’s been to the Gorge knows there’s a distinct difference in the way they say it when they are there.
The Gorge is one of the most fantastic venues in the world, simply by dint of its amazing topography. The acoustics ain’t bad, either. It is really difficult to attend a show there and not feel that you are on the verge of having a spiritual experience, if not a full-blown mystical episode. I’ve had one every time I’ve gone, and there’s no indication anything is ever going to change. Guys like Walt and Don love it there, not only because of the obvious things, but because backstage there are nice dressing rooms and a huge deck overlooking this incredible canyon, divided by the Columbia River, formed by gigantic glaciers millions of years ago. The deck is completely protected by security so they’re not molested by fans, but they can invite the friends of their choice to have a bite there and visit before the show, which they always do.
Walter said, “We’ve been playing here for a few years now, and it’s always the best stop on the tour, every time we come here.” How could he not feel that way? Forget all the geological wonders and look at the fans. People come from all over the world to go to concerts at the Gorge and they are all ecstatic to be there. The energy… well, nuff said.
The setlist was essentially the same as the other shows to date. My comments on the musicianship are the same as everyone else’s here. Keith Carlock plays the drums like he has four arms and six legs. Tom Barney has never been better. Walt Weiskopf has a breadth of talent heretofore unseen in the horn section.
Don and Walt are as witty and gifted as ever. I never saw Don pace around a stage as much as he did for this show. He was here, then he was there, then he was over there… it was great fun. His voice was flawless, and as usual, he forgot some of the words, this time, to Kid Charlemagne. I’ve never seen them play where he hasn’t flubbed the words on just one song.
Don pronounces “Altamira” as alta-MEERA, fyi.
I’m bummed that Walt never says “SLANG ME!” I was ready—we were ALL ready—to sing along!
I’m not sure if Walt was confused and forgot he was in Washington, because when he sang “If you grew up in… “ he said “Oregon,” and lots of hoots were shared from the Oregonians in the audience.
It was great fun, at last, to hear The Steely Dan Show
Walter did a great job on Haitian Divorce. The Gorge crowd was definitely letting him know they love it when he sings.
I love the lighting on Don't Take Me Alive, where they turn Jon Herington into a bunch of dots, essentially, as if he were under police spotlights or perhaps about to be beamed up to the mother ship.
Also, it was really nice and a great crowd pleaser when they shined the lights up on the cliffs. The people up there were screaming and cheering.
There are many more details. I felt like I spent half my time there talking to security, and when I got back to the campground, there were new issues to be sorted out. I didn’t get to sit down until 2a.m. But I’m not complaining, or if I am, it means nothing. It was a wonderful show; just ask the people who came thousands of miles to be there.
And let me say this just one more time: IF THEY EVER PLAY THE GORGE AGAIN, and that is a big if, considering those scary ticket sales, drag your asses out here to see them. You will never experience anything like it. And you can sleep on my couch, on my floor, in my bed, in my bathtub, on my patio, in my closet, or any other space you need to save money on hotels and stuff. But don’t miss it again.
and that's all she wrote....
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, 8 miles highOne of our guests-to-be was Mike from Idaho, who had sent advance copies of the mylars he was bringing as party favors. He had made these to look like some kind of backstage passes that hung around the necks on lanyards. Over the picture of the briefcase and shoes from the Steely Dan website—a photo that was OFFERED for use for promotional purposes at the website, mind you, dowloadable and copyright-infringement-free—he had the headline, “enGORGEment 2003” and below the picture he had written, “All-excess Party Pass.” We loved them. We were all wearing them at Suedave’s party and we had all worn them to the Gorge. God bless ya, Mike.
I had made a sign out of a sandwich board upon which I had lettered “Going out of Business—Everything Must Go” and had set it atop the rental van to let people know where we were. Gorge security came by and made me take it down. I decided to appeal the decision so I went to the office, and with a little smooth talking, they let me keep it out of the van in front, but not on top.
But a few minutes later Kevin from Spokane, security supervisor, came over and said, “I have bad news for you…” and I said, “What?” and he said, “I’m going to have to confiscate that,” and pointed at my All Excess badge. He explained that it was considered a counterfeit and a violation of intellectual property. He said anyone wearing one would be arrested. The few of us who had our badges in sight were forced to turn them over. He had a sheet of counterfeit models of backstage passes and showed them to me. I used to work security at the Gorge and I did understand, but for fuck’s sake… as I saw later, these badges in NO WAY resembled the stickers people were wearing who actually DID have backstage access.
He was apologetic, explaining that it was not his decision, but a joint dictum of House of Blues and Steely Dan security. I did, for a few minutes, think about the copyright infringement issue and I did see their point.
But an hour later when I got a call from Mike on my cell phone, I began to think differently. What had happened was that Mike arrived for the Danfest with these badges. Security saw them and hauled him in, confiscating the badges and ejecting him from the Gorge. They said he couldn’t go to the concert and if he returned to the Gorge he would be arrested for criminal trespass! The criminal trespass idea was apparently the House of Blues manager’s idea.
So Mike, major dude and Danfan, who did a silly, simple, completely innocent thing, was banished. It pissed me off so I went back to security headquarters again to talk to Kevin. I told him what had happened to Mike and of course, he already knew, because he’d been part of the force that ejected him. I begged and pleaded that he be let back in so he could see the show, and CMS security said it was okay with them. So I called him back on his cell phone and told him he could come to the show, but he couldn’t camp overnight.
Soon as I got back to the campground, Kevin came by again and apologized, saying that HOB and SD security and the Grant County Sheriff had all just told him that Mike was not allowed back in under any circumstances. I had to call him one more time to tell him that. Then someone radioed over and said that if he wanted to come back and just go ahead in, it would be okay as long as he didn’t run into the sheriff. But I didn’t think Mike would want to take that risk, and he was already almost mortally wounded from what had happened.
It was really fucked up. It was a tempest in a teapot. HOB and SD security should be ashamed of themselves for not seeing what it was: a hick from the sticks danfan, and Idaho spud, just trying to join in with all of us who were making EMG-themed party favors, contributing to the general levity. It would have been sufficient to take away his toys and let him go to the show. It was wrong, just plain wrong, to exile him.
That put a damper on the event, but the show must go on, so we continued to gather and party. We met many more Danfans we knew nothing about, who just came by because they saw the sign, and we had a great time. The youngest official Danfans there had to be Michael and Matt from Seattle, who were there with their grandpa, a man just a little older than me. At 18 and 15, they were well-schooled and knowledgeable in All Things Dan. And they had both been there in 2000 for the 2vN tour, so they were veterans.
Without Hoops, without Oleander, without This Moody Bastard, Raoul Duke, The Charmer and Miz Ducky, it was a more sedate event than it would have been if these maniacs had been in attendance. But again, we carried on, and at 7pm we were in our seats, locked and loaded.
The show began as all the shows begin. The band comes out and begins to play a jazzy tune. This tour’s tune is Cubano Chant, as everyone else has already noted. Then come guitar wranglers and what, bodyguards? and Walter and Donald appear to screams and hoots and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Everyone was on his feet. The din was deafening. Walt and Donald looked shocked. It looked to me like it was taking every voluntary muscle they had to keep from busting into tears or huge grins.
And it was like that all during the show, beginning with Aja. They got a standing ovation after every song. The vibe was incredible—this wave of love crashing down from the tiered hillside, across the main floor, and onto the stage.
more, even more, to follow....
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, purgatory until the next tourOUR 2ND SEATTLE/enGORGEment celebration began at Suedave’s in West Seattle on Friday night. Sue and Dave really put on the dog… literally. I’ll explain that in a minute. Sue spares no attention to detail. She had Rolfe, the Steely Dan Promo Dog (not copyrighted, no infringement there… and I will explain THAT later, too), Szechuan Dumplings, Cuervo Gold, the fine whatevah, Cuban Breezes, a bartender named Gretchen, cherry wine (Manieschevitz), Swedish ginger cookies, honey mustard and Red Beans and Rice (for a quarter). Outside on the deck she had a small wooden bar, with the punchbowl full of Cuban Breezes, sand all over the top, seashells, and across the front a banner which read, MANATEE BAR. And on the top of the bar she had designed wrappers for Hershey bars with art including pictures of Manatees, and these, too, were labeled “Manatee Bar.” It was hilarious and fantastic.
Now, there’s something you need to know. “Gretchen” was not the woman she used to be. In fact, she was a man named Jeffrey, a sweet and funny gay hairdresser. He was almost the highlight of the evening. All you had to say was, “Would you pour me a Cuban Breeze, Gretchen?” and it was there with great flourish and aplomb. But that wasn’t what really slayed me.
Sue and Dave have a big old Labrador, black and kinda husky, named Midnight (I always call her “Satan” and she gives me dirty looks). Midnight has a habit of laying down, just exhausted, on the black linoleum kitchen floor behind whoever is standing there. Now, I had brought along party treats—little prescription bottles filled with Skittles or Starburst jelly beans, with a label that read:
BARRYTOWN PHARMACY
1-800-you’reinhell
RX#2205011048 Dr. Wu
FOR: BROTHER, Scurvy and SISTER, Babylon
Take a whole bunch of these for The Blues. Discontinue if the world comes to an end. Do not take if operating shopping carts.
ILLEGALFUNXETINE 1000mg 12.00 REFILLS
I had distributed these to everyone, including Gretchen. When he saw the dog on the floor, he opened up his bottle, spilled a few “pills” on the floor around Midnight’s mouth, and laid the bottle and cap beside them—staging, as it were, a doggie suicide. Then he and I both screamed, “Oh my god! The dog!” and that damn dog didn’t even budge. She laid there and looked dead, to everyone’s great amusement.
Later, Gretchen drew a masking tape outline around her body. Then he laid the statue of Rolfe, The Steely Dan Promo Dog, on the floor and made a tape outline of it. A gigantic basset hound strolled in and sort of blobbed itself down on the floor, and dutifully Gretchen outlined him, as well. Then he laid himself down and taped his form, getting up to add a masking-tape-marked penis and two nipples.
We were screamin. It was hilarious. It was art. It was just like all of Sue and Dave’s parties.
There were about 35 people there, not counting kids and dogs. Many gifts were exchanged and much food was eaten and booze drunk. Some Portland fans phoned in every 20 minutes or so and held up a cell phone and we listened to the live feed, although it was a bad signal and cut in and out, sadly.
I could tell you more, but you’d have to offer me a six-figure book contract to include all the details, which are many and sordid.
The cast of characters included The Usual Suspects, either at Suedave’s or at my apartment or at the Gorge: Sue, Dave, Mark the Chimp, Guavagirl Terry, Fandango Julie, da Bill from Houston, Hans Verlouw from Holland, Rurick from Central Cali, Tony from North Carolina, Aric from San Diego, Michael and Andrew, 20- and 21-year-old Danfans from Bothell, Washington—they had been there three years earlier, too… good kids, raised right. Then there was St. Al, Sheila the mesmerist, Mike “Magic Shoes” McLaughlin from the Olympic Peninsula, Doc Diamond from Oregon, Randy and Chris Reichart from Canada, Joe, Jane and Jason from Cleveland, bearing gifts from the Rock’n’Roll Hall of Fame, Ed Beatty—although I never actually saw him and am by no means convinced he was really there—Jeff, Sean, Jason from Portland and others I can’t remember but HEY! I’ve been drinking for three days and have had about five hours of sleep, okay? Okay! Slang me!
another installment follows.....
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, home at lastGREETINGS, DANFANS EVERYWHERE… and special salutations to the pilgrims along the road, headed to Denver or St. Paul, or points east, south, west… The King is alive; Long Live the King, STEELY DAN!
Just as last time (2000 tour), celebrations began Friday and continued through the weekend. I am taking a break to write these impressions of enGORGEment 2003, Steely Dan at the Gorge in George, Washington.
By my count, this is the sixth Steely Dan show at the Gorge, beginning in 1993. I worked at the Gorge in 1994 and they played two shows at the end of the summer. In 1996, they scheduled two shows, then cancelled one. In 2000, they played one show to about 15,000 people, I think. When we arrived at the Gorge and entered the campground, security told me they had sold only 4,500 tickets in advance and expected a crowd of 6,000. That was scary.
But apparently, a lot of people wait until the day of the show to buy tickets for $10 or more OFF Ticketmaster prices, because there were at least 10,000 people there by the time the show started—10,000 people madly in love with Steely Dan.
This was much different than the 2000 show, with all the yuppies coming in late with their cell phones, sitting in the first few rows and then getting up and leaving after three songs. The fans who converged on the Gorge this time all desperately wanted to be there. The vibe was electrifying. Don and Walt can testify. They could barely keep straight faces against the tangible phalanx of LUV sweet love.
First and foremost, I want to say something about the To Dance or Not to Dance controversy, which was much discussed, and heatedly, in 2000. My pal and I had really good seats, 10 rows back from the stage, almost centered—although Walter, as usual, was obscured by that fucking music stand he always keeps next to the other music stand by his mike. WALTER, COME ON! We think you’re cute. We want to SEE you! Lower the music stand, please!
People, please, if you are sitting forward, DO NOT GET UP AND DANCE THROUGH THE ENTIRE FUCKING SHOW. All was well when we first sat down, but then TWO ASSHOLES came in and got right in front of me and my seatmate, blocking our views of Don and Walt (or, The Principals, as they refer to themselves these days). Dumb fucking assholes, bad dancers, self-absorbed idiots who refused to sit down even when people behind them started yelling. I couldn’t see a thing.
It’s not fair and it’s not right. Don’t do it. Dance for the first four bars, then sit down. If you are such a dork that you haven’t mastered the art of seat-dancing, you should just stay home. And if you can’t listen to great music without getting up in dancing, I recommend you see a behavioral therapist and get some meds for your affliction. Over along the sides, in the aisles, and around back, there is plenty of room for dancing, and lots of your friends dancing. We all dig it. But don’t ruin someone else’s show because you just can’t help yourself.
After screaming at them and being ignored through Time Out of Mind and Godwhacker, I finally started throwing things at them…. heh heh heh… Fortunately my companion had several beer caps which were launched with great accuracy at the intended targets. And yet, they would not sit down. I was fuming. So I stood up and leaned across the row in front of us and yelled, “SIT THE FUCK DOWN!” to which the male asshole replied sweetly, “Get up and dance, come on, dance with us, it’s great music!” I said, with considerable restraint, “My seatmate has cerebral palsy and he CAN’T get up and dance, and you and Mrs. Asshole are completely blocking our view!” This took a second to sink in, and I sat back down, as did he. Then he gestured for me to lean forward again and I did, and he said, “Don’t they have handicapped seating?” Man, I tells ya, I was ready to take this guy OUT. What kind of attitude is that? Disabled people are not allowed to sit with the abled? They should have their own sections, segregated and far away from the stage?
He said something to the effect that HE wasn’t blocking my friend’s view but his girlfriend was, and shrugged his shoulders like, “What are ya gonna do?” But he sat down, and when she sat down he whispered to her and they turned around and looked. They continued to sit throughout “Caves of Altamira,” then apparently said “Fuck it,” and got up and started dancing again when “Blues Beach” began to play.
>insert here>>> Heaviest of sighs.
For unknown reasons, they got up and left when the band played “Babylon Sisters.” They didn’t come back for a while, and when they did, they moved over to the front and center, where their brother, Cousin Asshole, was dancing in front of the poor souls behind him.
So, dig this, a total of three people felt the need to dance, and because of this, a whole bunch of people who paid thousands of dollars for seats behind and beside them couldn’t see or enjoy the whole show. How very special.
Please, please, please…. don’t get up and dance. I didn’t pay $100 to watch your skanky ass jiggling in front of my face.
There is no argument that can rationalize getting up and dancing just because you paid for a SEAT in that section. Go stand. Go behind. Go fuck yourselves! But don’t ruin my night.
Okay, that’s my treatise on dancing in the Golden Circle of the Gorge. I will now backtrack and tell ya all the good stuff.
PART TWO FOLLOWS.....
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: Rob, San FranciscoWhat's this fan speculation about this being the "last tour?" Donald and Walter have repeatedly said in recent interviews they are not "hanging it up" after this. They've been touring on and off for the past 10 years now and I have heard nothing from them or any source in the media to suggest they are thinking of not doing another record or touring anymore.
Or have I missed some vital announcement?
Posted by: Gretchen Lu, Ct shoreHey Rajah!
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the Stones issue. However, this chick digs SD way more. Mick ain't no Don! 22 days to CT!
In other thoughts, HAS ANYONE SEEN THE MOVIE "SWIMMING POOL?" I'ts excellent, definitely off the beaten track and a pleasurable way to spend a hot Sunday afternoon. If any feedback about the ending, please let me know. It blew my mind.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Young fools never learn till later how foolish they were.
Buzz: you ain't through widit, you have begun your journey, enjoy.
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Crankin' Up the AfterglowBoy,D&W are SURE "Spot On" on LWG! I think EVERYONE has had "Lunch with Gina" at some time or another!
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Posted by: hoops, denverJust got into Denver and looking forward to tomorrow night's Danfest before the show.
See you all there.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/denver
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Denver
mon.8.4.03-Fiddler's Green
The Wing-Ding starts at 4:30 pm
C.B. Potts Big Horn Brewery
(across the boulevard from Fiddler's)
Michael Marchese, aka Joey from the BlueBook, supported by myself and Wendy Liu among others, is hosting a Wing Ding across the boulevard from Fiddler's at C.B. Potts Big Horn Brewery starting at 4:30 pm MT. C.B. Potts is a fine Brew Pub.
Mike reminds us all that Fiddler's a huge, airy place invisible from the highway where all you can see are the mountains in the background. So it's a great place to see the Dan.
Posted by: Mike B., Just a few more notes on the Portland show.
--I missed snagging some SD swag from the folks at a certain credit card co. They were given away stainleess steel travel type coffee mugs, and visors for filling out a credit card app. I wonder what the approval rate is? Any word on when the SD credit card will be available?
--I thought it was my middle aged ears as well, but I guess other people had issues with the sound. Jon Herrington's guitar work in particular seemed to get lost in the mix, save for a few songs, like Haitian Divorce.
--I really enjoyed Donald's vocal performance. It was great to be close enough to see saliva sprayed out of his mouth when he wound up and delivered. Very gritty.
--Walter looked professorial, but delivered some amazing solos, especially on Time out of Mind, and Home at Last. His vocal performances were quite strong as well, and more polished thatn on the 2000 tour.
--What more can be said about Carlock--amazing!
--The set list was the standard fare, with the inclusion of a fine Babylon Sisters. The choir really shone on this, and was the object of adoration by many, showering the ladies with numerous catcalls and whistling. Walter remarked that the crowd in Portland was "the biggest bunch of horned dogs on the tour so far", or somethhing to that effect.
--The crowd was fairly energetic throughout, but really got cranked up on Don't take me Alive. Whenever Donald metioned crossing his old man back in Oregon, the place erupted. The encore got the place rocking and dancing; security was pretty cool, and didn't seem particularly concerned at that point.
I thought it was an outstanding show, marred only by the marginal sound quality, at least from where I was sitting--about 15 feet from Donald's Rhodes. Is there a feeling that this could be the last tour?
Posted by: monkey with a fez on, House of Blues security staff at the Gorge Ampitheatre in Washington detained and ejected an unidfentified man from the camprground who was distributing Danfest "ALL EXCESS" laminates as what he called "party favors", in the hours prior to the Saturday evening show. The laminates, which included images downloaded from the steelydan.com website and the words "enGORGEment 2003 Danfest all excess" were spotted by an alert campground security staffperson hannging from the suspect's car antenna parked at a campsite. The suspect, described as a middle aged white male sporting a Travis Bickel style haircut was taken into custody by security staff.
A man identified as the general manager of the venue stated that the suspect could be charged with theft of services. "Someone might use this "pass" to gain backstage access and obtain something of value, such as autograph that they were not entitled to; that would be theft of service." Grant County sheriff's deputies were summoned to the scene; after questioning the suspect they determined that at that time there was no evidence that a crime had occurred, so the individual was escorted back to the campground where he broke camp under the watchful eyes of HOB campground security, qand the sheriff's deputies. HOB management suspected that the man may have been involved in traficking counterfeit Steely Dan t-shirts, as he was wearing the "Aja" shirt when apprehended; however, a search of the man's vehicle by the sherriff's deputy failed to turn up counterfeit merchandise. The suspect was escorted off the premises and threatend with arrest and prosecution for criminal tresspass if he attempted to attend the Saturday evening show.
Posted by: Mike, Fort Lee, NJI was wondering if anybody else has heard about this Roseland post party. I'm on the Funk Filharmonik mailing list and just recieved this today! Anyone have any more info on this event......I'm there!!!
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Posted by: Buzz, CAI consider listening to the Andy Metzger stuff to be a Major Coup. I mean I am bowled over, just knocked off my feet! This is, I suppose, the way it should be, because as we all know: Any Major Coup will fell you.......
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYHey Jaco, you and previous posters about my comments have been hanging out in Teen Town too long. I didn't say two fingers/four strings can't be funky. I said Walter plays in a classic two fingers four strings style, that's all I said. Anything else beyond that, you're reading into the remark. Plus I mentioned Miller and Bailey right after that, in response to another sneak attack.
You guys are defining "funky" the way Steely Dan does, a song like Cannonball Adderly's Sack O' Woe being a prime example. Fine! I'm thinking more like Bootsie Collins.
Posted by: A Friend, Randallstown, MDRandall - That is an affirmative. Seems they've installed a new version of Sigma Chat and it is malfunctioning.
Posted by: Randall, MDAnyone else having probs using the greenroom (chat server)?
Posted by: onlyafool, nwJP, Your comments on the Portland show were spot on. The sound system was HORRIBLE throughout. As for the show, the usual kudos to Carlock. It's hard to imagine how good this guy is until you actually hear him! D's vocals and W's solos were as strong as I've ever heard (when you could hear them). The crowd was really jazzed, and I thin D+W were surprised and genuinely touched by the response. I hope all of the shows are this good for those of you yet to see them.
Posted by: DACW , Rex; DOORS OPEN AT 6:30 pm in Dallas. SHOW SCHEDULED FOR 8 PM...hmmm, I wonder when's the SoundCheck ?
SetList...Jonesin' for:
Dr. Wu
Your Gold Teeth II
Pixeleen
GreenBook
Lunch with Gina
Everything Must Go
Posted by: Jaco, UKChief of Theory:
How ignorant of you! Two fingers, four string bass, not funky at all?
First of all
M.Miller
V.Wooten
V.Bailey
Jaco
et al
= Four string (primarily) and fingers.
Slap doesnt make it funky. Bad slap is horrendous. But Becker's lines on EMG do provide a certain funk. I'd call it more groove than funk, but there you go. You dont need 6 strings and 4 fingers to funk!
Regards
Jaco.
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliRick The Bagel drivin 79 Dodge Diploma he compra for $300 to NUEVA YORK CITY FOR ROSELAND BALLROOM TIX! Chicas in the hood rub his tit and say "Ooooh Ricky take me to Broadway!" Rick try onlyne for tres horas pero no se puede. Phone in Roseland a piece of shit too so Don Carlos tell Rick drive a NUEVA YORK! No tiene "cell phone" so we havva guess to his wherebouts. We have, no tenemos, money for Rick for hotel so he sleep in the woods in the Diploma. We have no money for extra gas so we hit up mama de Don Carlos, Dona Carina, for her gas can and we fill it. Rick haff it in the back of car.
Rick drivin to NY in three days from Cali but fucka wow, policias stop him in midwest town. No shower tres dias! Rick call from the payy telefono that he see Keith Carlock in the city hall! Don Carlos say Rick, how you talk the word, hallucination sickness cuz he drivin for tres dias, ticka tocka. Now Don Carlos piensa, he think, Rick bugged out with the $400 for the tix, skipped. Meantime mi wif broke her female breast when we swim here and no hay seguros!
Posted by: JP, pdxOops! They DID play GW. Right after TOoM, I think. I suck at taking notes in the dark!
Posted by: A Younger Fan, Young Fan - See, the way I see it is that 90% of people coming to these shows are only seeing Steely Dan once throughout the tour. The same set every night is justified for that reason, and the fact that all solos are improvised and varied from night to night. Besides, no one ever said that Steely Dan was jazz.
By the way, I'll gladly take the Roseland tickets off your hands.
Posted by: Old Fan, Young Fan: Yes, please leave your Roseland tickets to someone more appreciative. Unless you are seeing more than a few shows, why do you care if the setlist changes? When you let go of those tickets, just remember one thing, you will probably NEVER see Steely Dan live again.
Posted by: Big Fan, just home from salmon fishingDon't know if posted - pre concert article from Portland:
http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1059566691164150.xml?oregonian?alms
Same from Seatle:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/133157_summer01.html
Well perhaps yoou are spoiled at the Gorge - I wish I could be there tonight. Why don't you come out to some eastern shows with paved parking lots, train tracks and garbage dumps around - and inner city views. I don't know but the Gorge seems awful nice to me.
Posted by: angel, JP: No Godwacker?
Posted by: Young Fan, Philly areaThese set lists are bumming me out big time - it's the same songs every night. This isn't jazz. I'm disapppointed. I'm only 18 but I hang out in the jazz clubs and never see this kind of Vegas nightclub act setlist. I'm totally bummed out. Damn! I'm giving my dad his tickets to Roseland back, I'll go to the Village Vanguard and see real jazz instead.
Posted by: Rex Vardeman, My tickets (and the Ticketmaster site) for the show in Dallas in September show a start time of 6:30 pm. Does anyone know of this the real start time (seems awful early) or did Ticketmaster screw up and list when the gates open?
Posted by: Rex Vardeman, Grapevine TX
Posted by: JP, pdxI hadn't planned on going to the Coliseum show, but thx to poor ticket sales (I can only assume) the venue was changed to the Keller Auditorium and I couldn't resist. I was able to get box seats, 2nd row from the front and center on the day before the show!
The setlist was:
1) Cubano Chant
2) Aja (Will who? is right!)
3) Time Out of Mind
4) The Caves of Altamira
(A really strong start for Herington, Weiskopf and Carlock.)
5) Blues Beach
(This one seemed kinda flat. I started to get the sinking feeling that the crowd hadn't heard EMG, yet. The peppy infectiousness of this song didn't translate to the stage very well, imo. I think The Last Mall would've worked better here.)
6) Babylon Sisters (so fine)
7) Slang of Ages (again, seemed as if the audience didn't know this one)
8) Peg
9) Home At Last (Fagen has never sounded better. Needed to turn up the synth solo, tho.)
** Intermission **
10) The Steely Dan Show
(They projected the lyrics on the stage screen. What a riot!)
11) Jamie Runaway
12) Hey Nineteen
13) Haitian Divorce
14) Things I Miss The Most
15) Parker's Band (the "goils" shine on this one)
16) Josie
17) Kid Charlemagne
18) Don't Take Me Alive
(Of course, we go wild for this one "back in Oregon."
For the encore they played My Old School followed by FM.
What a great band! The one flub of the night was a back-up singer being painfully not "there now" on the chorus to Slang of Ages, repeatedly. Which was really a shame as WB was nailing his notes. Other than that, the show itself was perfect.
The house sound wasn't nearly as clean as I'd hoped it'd be. I'm not sure what the problem was technically, but to my ears the overall sound was a mess. It didn't seem too loud; there was little separation between instruments and the bass parts were lost to a noteless thudding in the lower register. Maybe it was the room, maybe it was the sound crew or it might be my age-addled ears. Whatever the case, it was still a fabulous show.
Posted by: portland, spathey played bab. sisters.
new light and video show.
crowd was crazy (good) - excel sound. A+ show
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynWow, I had no idea of that alto. Wow. I feel like a silly.
Posted by: Laina, SLODunno how acceptable a question this is here, but does anyone ever record the shows?? If so...how would I go about obtaining a copy? *blushes* *whispers* specifically, did anyone record the Paso Robles show?!
If that was a faux pas, I shall weep bitter tears until I'm over it.
Lainalove
Posted by: alto, Weiskopf is playing alto and tenor sax on this tour.
Alto is required for the solos in Janie Runaway.
Posted by: Shaun, BostonNo change in the setlist from the Portland show last night. I don't understand why they can't mix it up just a little bit. It kinda of blows when you go see more than two or three shows. Oh well...at least they're touring.
Posted by: The Gorge @ George, SeattleThe Gorge is the most over-rated venue in the usa. The back drop to the stage is really cool. It's an hour walk uphill from the camp ground to the seats. The gorge is a pain in the ass to get to. If you don't camp out over night there's may be one hotel near the venue. Even if you are camping out, the Gorge security only lets you party for one hour after the show ends. Then they make everyone go to bed! It's like being on a second grade school trip. This gig ain't worth going to.
See you at Roseland!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI haven't heard much about the horn solos from any of the posts I've read...although I once saw Weiskopf in The Iridium and he lifted the roof off the joint. But the tenor won't sound right on Wu.
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynThat's exactly why they have not played Dr. Wu - it requires an alto sax and they always tour with a baritone and a tenor. Maybe they can recruit David Sanborn, lol.
Posted by: afoolnluv, snakehips... nice name. Oh, just got a call from "Kief"... he wants to talk to you about his "lost chops"... at least I *think* that's what he said...
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - Somebody Please!We absolutely need a report on last night's show.
Tonight is The Gorge. I've never been, but friends tell me that it is one of the most magnificent locales for a concert, custom made for a swingin', sleek SD show.
Any thoughts as to why EMG has not been performed? Certainly would translate well live. Possibly that the song strains the upper register/limits of Donald's pipes? Terrific showcase for Walt Weiskopf, who is undoubtedly being paid handsomely for his substantial talents.
Dr. Wu. I know of no Dan Fan who doesn't love this song. Again, tailor made for the live venue, with Weiskopf supremely qualified to fill Phil Woods' shoes.
Will anyone else here aside from me be at the Borgata show in Atlantic City?
Posted by: Jaydee, LondonSorry if this is old ground, but I've just watched that odd (but funny and interesting) video of D and W in a cab and wondering what it's all about?
Is this a regular TV show in US, with different 'star' guests in the cab, or just a special promo? (can't be a whole show as it only lasts 10-15 mins).
And are the girls in the cab 'real' or set up? Looks pretty straight to me ('reelin in the sheaves' is great), but do women often share cabs with strange men in Vegas?
Posted by: snakehips,
hmmmm....i still think Mick can sing - but i agree that in concert some of it is shouting - but that could be due to the nature of a Stones concert. the prancing is absolutely necessary...lol wouldn't be Mick without it. i don't think it's distracting...i'm impressed! he's older than us and look at him go...lol
don't know why, or if, women in general go for the Stones more than SD...it's apples and oranges to me. when i want my ass kicked by some good old rock n' roll by the band that does it best...i go for the Stones. when i want to listen to almost "perfect" music that blows me away with every note and lyric, makes me think, makes me smile, makes me groove...i go for SD...and these days, at my age (lol), i listen to SD much more often than the Stones.
ok...i need a nap :-s
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynRaj - two reasons, no romance and misogynistic lyrics.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Snaky - I just stopped taking Mick's voice seriously is the only way to describe it. I dunno, they're an institution, the Stones, and all but in my mind, Jagger isn't SINGING, he's shouting, there's very little differentiation in the tonal quality of his voice, vocal dynamics don't mean much when you shout them. And quite frankly the prancing, while uplifting in performance, has become a distraction. Maybe I'm old. I did like the HBO concert this last time, but, it's not where I go for music. Why do women seem to like these guys so much more than say, SD? I mean generally.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Wu - your take on TIMTM has not, if memory serves, been posited so far by anyone. The songs can be flat out deciphered, but only somewhat most of the time, and of course also interpreted in several ways, like the whole of the Dan catalogue. But viewing this song as a travelogue of junk in the garage or the attic. I'm thinking "Junk" by McCartney now. One can only hope that the spectre of that existence for D & W, a world without SD, is neither necessary or under consideration. Or maybe it might be for the best, I mean, in order to reclaim your space you have to sometimes clean out all the old stuff and have a yard sale.
Posted by: snakehips,
Raj - your comment re: the Stones -"Their chops diminished acutely over the last fifteen years. I have their albums here but almost never play them, tell me why I should."
ok - here's why you should -
I must admit that Keith Richards playing isn't what it used to be, but did you see the Voodoo Lounge tour? Did you see the most recent 40 Licks tour? Ronnie is sounding better than ever, Charlie is perfect as always, don't even miss Bill W cause Darryl Jones *rocks* and Mick is still incredible! I saw them 20 (or so) years ago, I saw them for the VL tour and just saw them last fall...
Chops still intact! (except for a few missing from Keith)
Try to catch the Madison Square Garden show they did on HBO in January (they replay it occasionally). If they ever release that on DVD, I'm first in line. There's still nobody that rocks like the Stones. anyway...maybe I'm a little cranky this morning...sick with strept throat....
afoolnluv - love a man who knows his reggae ;-)
i'm a little disappointed about Walter singing Haitian Divorce...no one can sing "in that greasy chair sits the Charlie with the lotion and that kinky hair" and "the band was hot-so they danced the famous merangue (mer-an-go)" like Donald
hope they do EMG and Lunch with Gina by the time they get to Detroit...
sh
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Well I was on my way back from LA this past week and got stuck in Vegas...made me laugh as I was listening to EMG while riding the streets of Vegas in the cab to the hotel.
So I finally got on the damn plane back to NJ a day later, and decided to focus myself, much like others do on here, on the lyrics of EMG and do some analysis. If this has been beaten like a dead horse, too bad.
I'll keep it short:
Last Mall - end of the world
things I miss the most - memories from all the Steely Dan years of recording, and to a lesser extend, touring
GodWhacker - like to think it is about Osama Bin Laden
everything must go - seems like D&W's goodbye to us as perhaps they are going to hang it up after this
still thinking about the other tunes.
One thing is for sure, this album is balls out awesome. Reminds me so much of old SD. Better than 2VN (although that album is good as well).
Thanks for listening
Posted by: Why?, Mikem...Because it's blue.
Posted by: mikem, lbi, njhello,
a intentionally random thought- why isnt this page temporarily called the green book throughout the tour? hmmm..
on another note, for the AC/Borgata danfest, if such a thing were to occur, there are several choices, including the borgata itself.
http://www.theborgata.com, the gypsys bar or b-bar
however, AC has several excellent watering holes, including los amigos, the irish pub, and, at the trop, firewaters. skoal!
mikem-->>lbi, nj
Posted by: Rindy, Anyone have any setlists/eyewitness reports/reviews from last night's gig?
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynJust as an interesting side note to this errr, discussion, , Victor Bailey is probably the only person who had 2 Steely Dan guitarists, Krantz and Herrington, play on his album (Bottoms Up).
Posted by: afoolnluv, lutz - thanks
Posted by: afoolnluv, Andy - yeah, you got me. I knew that was coming...
Chief - enjoyed the discussion... still don't hear the Oakley or J.P. Jones influence though. I'd believe more McCartney (melodic support) and Wyman (economy) before those two.
Either way you cut it WB is a monster, and I'd put him up there with all four of them.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYFool, I can see you're not going to appreciate Gigli so I won't get into it. Oh, and Walter Becker emulates Berry Oakley and John Paul Jones.
Posted by: bwaySteve, Last MallWe went to see Spy Kids.Just before the coming attractions, they ran slide show promos for local businesses.For music , they played at least a verse and a chorus of Blues Beach, then The Last Mall and then a bit of EMG.
My son looked up at me , "They knew you were coming" .
Posted by: Mike Moore, "Everything Must Go" falls to # 109 on the "Billboard" chart, selling 10,302 copies in its 7th week for a total of 207,950 copies sold so far.
Mike Moore
Posted by: Lutz, Afool , I second everything you wrote .
Funky bass is often confused with slapping. Miller is a complete musician and likely one of the funkiest bass players around as well - He's the funkmaster . Miles knew that before Rajah found out .
Bailey is better as a sideman , his own stuff is neither that convincing nor all that funky . Jamalaaden doesn't cut it for me either , just sounds too busy , the music doesn't breathe . Playing a lot of notes is detrimental in some cases .
Did Jaco slap a lot? No. Was he funky? Hell yeah, and so is
Becker on some tracks and I am glad he played Bass on the whole album. His guitar is great too , a little predictable maybe and that's fine . The sound and placement of the notes make up for that , besides - is he supposed to race like the new Ingwee Malmsteen or what ?
I liked the Stones when I was in high school and still like them on the radio, but come on guys, please!!!!
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoRe "The Second Arrangemnt": The master was accidentally wiped by an ass't engineer, and Becker and Fagen didn't have the heart to start again. (I forget -- into which circle of hell does bulk-erasing a Steely Dan tune get you?)
Posted by: Rob K, San FranciscoRe: "The Second Arrangement"-
I recently heard this song on Andy Metzger's site and was blown away. I think it's such a great piece, definitely among their best compositions and arrangements. I think the full band version is better than the demo which I assume is earlier, and you can see the changes that were made both lyrically and melodically.
Truly a shame that this has never made it to an album. I'd be happy to hear this live or in a new recording too, even though the original track sounds perfect to me as performed, (although the copy we hear on the internet certainly is not final-mix quality). I wonder why Donald and Walter have never finished this piece, since they have in many cases resurrected or revised pieces that they had developed in the past. ("Aja", "Black Cow" and "Jack of Speed" were all re-worked over the course of years). But it's easy to fret over what might have been, I guess.
If you have not heard this song, check it out in the Gaucho outtakes section:
www.andymetzger.com/sounds/
Posted by: Andy, DC"Ok Chief... find me any songs by any artist remotely like any of these... especially in a pop format
Gaucho - 'Gaucho'"
How about "Long As You Know You're Living Yours?"
Sorry, too easy.
Posted by: afoolnluv, not that it matters, but..."...they never take chances."
CBAT - "Turn that Heartbeat Over Again"
Countdown - "Show Biz Kids"
Pretzel Logic - "Through With Buzz"
Katy Lied - "Your Gold Teeth II"
Royal Scam - "The Royal Scam"
Aja - "Aja"
Gaucho - "Gaucho"
Two Against Nature - "Negative Girl"
EMG - "Green Book"
Ok Chief... find me any songs by any artist remotely like any of these... especially in a pop format.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Connie - I think you got it. I wonder how they'd do as Book & Music Broadway auteurs. Twisted, and it just might work.
Chief, hang with me on this, not only does the musical composition of Glamour Profession exageratedly mimic the classic disco rythmn (and, yes, therefore laughable and ironic) track, but the words are classic 1970s cliche: "we're a a star," "I'm the one," "brut and charisma," "we dress for action". It's conscious, the trite reply to the trite disco era.
And the worst thing is, I like it.
Posted by: afoolnluv, Chief - Haitian Divorce is not reggae? Do you own any reggae albums? I'm mean *real* reggae albums, not that "faking our way through it" half-assed Stones stuff.
Same for the funk, dude. Run out and buy yourself a James Brown hits collection, or something with George Clinton's name on it. In fact, the bass lines on that James Brown record might help you draw a funky correlation between that and the bass lines on "Lunch with Gina," "Godwhacker," and even "Green Book" to some degree.
Name dropping cats like Jamaaleen and Veasley ain't gonna prove anything, and neither is speaking in absolutes like "...they play exactly like Willie Dixon...," and, "It is a certainty that B. was listening heavily to Oakley and Jones in this period." without any basis other than your opinion. In fact, you pretty much voided your whole argument by saying, "And as a matter of fact, on the first four SD albums there is no "Steely Dan sound" except for Fagen's voice and Porcaro's drumming on Katy Lied." "Brooklyn", "Reelin...", "Razor Boy" "Rikki...," and many others are quintessential early Steely Dan, and they have a stylistic and sonic continuity.
I think you are wrong and just can't admit it. So you keep digging your opinionated hole deeper and deeper, regardless of the facts.
But hey, you know, whatever. You're the Chief, and I'm just
afoolnluv...
Posted by: Connie, No CaRajah - I thought it sound like the opening from a 1950's musical variety TV show. We all sang along with the ladies and laughed a lot.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYFool! Haitian Divorce is reggae?! Come on now. Listen to the Stones Cherry Oh Baby, that's what I'm talking about, not psuedo-genre warmover. Glamour Profession really has that Georgio Moroder-Donna Summer sheen, I must say. Every time I hear it I expect to see Travolta dance into the frame. Listen to the Stones' Miss You, that's what I mean. I don't believe there's even one Steely Dan song in which Fagen vocally calls out a theme using his voice as an instrument. (Which is one of the main criterion of disco music.) And as a matter of fact, on the first four SD albums there is no "Steely Dan sound" except for Fagen's voice and Porcaro's drumming on Katy Lied. Contrast with Richards' untuned 5 string guitar, which we all could pick out of a lineup after 2 bars. That's what I mean.
And these are not negative comments against SD. I'm neutral on whether a band should repeat or stretch. But, please - they never take chances.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Chief, chiefy, chiefster, chieferuski, your chiefiness:
Are you seriously comparing the Rolling Stones or even mentioning them in the same breath as SD? Yikes, boy, I'm in shock. I liked the Stones from the very begining in '64 all the way through the "Shattered" period. But they should have stopped with Steel Wheels in 89 from touring. Their chops diminished acutely over the last fifteen years. I have their albums here but almost never play them, tell me why I should.
Posted by: DAvis, BostonI just got the Kamakiriad DVD Surround SOund 5.1 Good Stuff, it had the Vidoes of Tommorrows Girls and Snowbound, coupled with the making of the videos, excellent commentary from DF, and WB at the Hawaii studios, it was priceless, I doubt many have seen it before. The Vidoes were hilarious, and oh yea, the Music in 5.1 DTS was pretty damn cool.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYFool! I wasn't aware that being contemporaries with someone and trying to emaulate them were mutually exclusive. But anyway, Oakley died in 72 and all of Zep's important work was recorded by 73 at the latest, though alot of it wasn't released till later. Bottom line: Steely was still in its formative stages. I've read any number of interviews where B. talks about listening to guitarists like Hubert Sumlin, Freddie King, B.B. King, etc.
Listen to Oakley and Jones - they play exactly like Willie Dixon,another Steely idol, but on electric bass instead of acoustic. It is a certainty that B. was listening heavily to Oakley and Jones in this period. (It's the only time SD let what ws in vogue at the moment creep inot their own music). Check out the intro to Whippin Post and compare it to Lunch W. Gina - the melodious tones. Too, compare the melodious bass in The Rain Song with Rikki Don't Lose That Number, etc.
Lastly, bass on EMG is funky?!? Try a bassist like Jamaaladeen, Veasley, Marcus Miller, or Victor Bailey if you like funky. The bass on EMG is classic two fingers, four string bass, not funky at all IMHO.
Thank you for your thought provoking remarks.
Posted by: afoolnluv, Chief - for your perusal:
reggae - Haitian Divorce
disco - Glamour Profession
rock - Black Friday, Bodisattva
indian - Ok, maybe they missed one... but they did do "...chinese music under Banyan trees..."
blues - Chain Lightning, Pretzel Logic, The Last Mall, and quite a few altered blues...
...not to mention pop, latin-pop, avant-pop, alt-country, funk, r&b, jazz, jazz-rock fusion...
...and it all still sounds like Steely Dan.
Go figure...
Posted by: afoolnluv, Chief - I think you're latest theory is flawed. Berry Oakley and JPJ were contemporaries of WB. I 1) don't believe he was trying to emulate anyone, but especially not them, and 2) don't know of any basslines by those two as funky as anything on EMG. Even as far back as CBAT and Countdown WB had his own groove-thing going. Look no furthur than "Only a Fool...," "Brooklyn," and "Your Gold Teeth". That sound is no one but WB.
Maybe you could offer up some examples as to what you had in mind?
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NYThe electric bassists that Becker tries to emulate, Berry Oakley and John Paul Jones, were trailblazers in rock bass but the only jazz type bass you hear anywhere in Steely Dan was played by the great Ray Brown, I think on Razor Boy.
Re: their sound. The Stones, for one example, experiment with all kinds of music while still retaining their identity. They play reggae, disco, house, rock and roll, Indian-influenced, raw blues, etc. etc. - all different kinds. It's hard for me to imagine SD doing this.
Posted by: afoolnluv, Um... no thanks.
I may be a fool, but I'm not easy...
Posted by: Joey , " Jo-Jo-Joey! Sorry 'bout those bowels dude, hope they works themselves out before the show... you da man! "
I would like to nuzzle you .
Jacky !
Posted by: afoolnlove, relatively speaking...Criticizing the Dan for still sounding like the Dan is like criticizing the Beatles for sounding like the Beatles, or the Stones for still sounding like the Stones, Mozart, Miles, etc. For them to try to sound any other way would be disingenuous. There's enough variation, experimentation, and progress within their sound to keep it fresh, though people gripe about that too.
If we're lucky enough to get another album years from now it will be, "why don't they write songs like "Blues Beach" anymore..."
Likewise with the setlist. "Damn, it sucks having to sit through a live version of Peg every three years." It's not like they tour every spring like the Dead or Bruce.
Jo-Jo-Joey! Sorry 'bout those bowels dude, hope they works themselves out before the show... you da man!
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Bill, I leave it to others more knowledgable to give us the personnel on Scam but I can tell you a story from Jay himself which I heard the night he played the Whiskey with Dr. Wu. Don and Walt had a lot of folks try their hand at the Peg solo buy weren't satisfied. Jay was down the hall at another studio gig and they boys went looking for someone, anyone, to give it a try. They didn't know Jay from shinola. He comes in and ba-boom: Peg.
Posted by: Bill, fixing typosHow many songs on Aja had no guitar solos? Two out of seven, Black Cow and Deacon Blues.
Posted by: Bill, PittsburghRe: Walter's guitar playing and longing for Skunk/Carlton style leads:
What was the most popular and by near-consensus the best SD album in the glory days of the 70's? Yeah, I know the guitar addicts will prefer Royal Scam, but I think it's Aja.
How many searing hot rock solos were on that album? One, Peg, the only appearance on a Dan album by studio ace Jay Graydon.
How many songs on Aja had no guitar? Two out of seven, Black Cow and
Who played most of the rest of the solos? Walter, with a little help from Denny Dias on the title track. On the Aja album, Walter established his distinctive guitar approach as the predominant instumental "voice" of SD. He wasn't healthy enough to do the same on Gaucho, but has dominated all collaborative efforts since, and I'm glad. I'm also glad they have a contrasting guitar voice in Jon Herrington on stage, and it would have been nice to give him some solo space on the EMG album, but that was their choice not to do so.
I still like his voice, but understand why others don't.
Speaking of Scam, I got my copy out the other day for the first time in a while. Recording fashions have certainly changed since those days, particularly drums. They sound like they're full of pillows, no ambience at all but great playing by Purdie and Marotta. Since Scam has no track-by-track credits, I'm curious who played what. It's well established that Larry Carlton played Kid Charlemagne, Don't Take Me Alive and the title track, and it sounds like him on Everything You Did, too. I believe Dean Parks played Haitian Divorce with Walter adding the voice box effect later. Did Walter play any leads? Who did the lead on Green Earrings? I believe I read somewhere that it was Elliott Randall, but the middle break sounds like Denny. How about The Fez and Sign In Stranger? Inquiring minds want to know. There's a lot more Hammond organ on this CD than I remembered - was it Donald or Paul Griffin? I assume Griffin plays the signature string-synth melody on The Fez that earned him co-composer credit. What songs sound like WB on bass? My vote goes for Caves, Haitian Divorce, and the title track with the rest being funkmaster Chuck Rainey. Whatcha think?
Posted by: Hank Silvers,
I dunno...I have these visions of MTV or something like it doing a show with SD, say 15 years from now, and the teens in the audience are completely into the performance. The print media (or what's left of it) hop on the bandwagon, saying that Steely Dan did it first, and they still do it best. For a change, they're right.
Other artists may have altered their styles to try to keep up with what the 19-34 demographic was buying. Meanwhile, SD kept doing what they do.
Of course, as Walter put it awhile back, the fact that they still do the jazz-rock thing is either a form of integrity or a lack of imagination.
Posted by: gretchen, What a wonderful song "Talking about my home" is. Shame it was never released. It's a masterpiece akin to Aja. Don's voice is magical, and the simplicity of the piano is so moving. I keep listening over and over. Don't get me wrong, I love EMG, but I was thinking their new stuff would be like this. I wonder why they didn't feel it was good enough? Thanks, SR for Andy Metzger's website. I didn't know anything about this before, and I'm loving it.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Connie - it's half a number, really, kind like an old radio jingle rendered by the ladies and you can listen to it from a concert in Scotland from Y2K on andymetzger.com. Go to 'sounds' and scroll down. Lots of great stuff on there.
Gretchen, yes, I kid you not, it's one of those radio interview as I recall, DF said something like, "I did buy a couple Beck cds and also TLC when they were hot." I'm very attuned to his sense of humor but no, I DON'T think he was kidding. How sexy is he to you now? Just another beast, eh?
Posted by: Connie, Northern CAAny comments from those who have seen the tour this year on the opening number of the second act - "The Steely Dan Show". Just wondering.
Posted by: Gretchen, Up on the HillRAJAH-
TLC?!! You've GOT to be kidding! Maybe they got it for laughs. Anyway, I still think Don is one sexy dude!
Posted by: Peter Q, BrooklynI thought gospel referred to condensing a whole life into a few short pages, eg, the intensity time of a person's life, ie, Jesus was 33 and the events narrated in the Gospels comprise about three months of the 33 years? In Almost Gothic it's like, this is crunch time dude. In Last Mall it's like, here's the end result of how you silly millions of masses have chosen to live your collective life.
Posted by: Joey, " Seems like I am about the only person here who enjoys Walter's guitar fills and licks on EMG. I haven't heard his stuff live--yet--so perhaps I'm missing something. "
Dan ................You are much loved by the Joey .
IMHO , it is Walter's guitar fills and licks that MAKE EMG the superb album it is .
J.
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Chief I have to agree that they just seem to be obstinate in what they will do and where they will go, musically. It's a shame, I mean, their style is inimitable, classic, diamond-hard, hey, we know how great they are at what they do. But you have to wonder how far they could have taken it all if they 1) hadn't burnt out for x-number of years and 2) embraced more forms ala Beck, Peter Gabriel and a few others. Don't get me wrong, Beck is NOT in their league in any sense, but Donald is always saying in these interviews that he basically keeps listening and buying the same old jazz albums he did as a kid. (although they did say they purchased Beck, Wilco and - here's the wierd thing - TLC) Just look how an artist like Joni Mitchell grew from droning folk singer to jazz fusionist playing with the likes of Jaco and the rest, brave and truly amazing. It seems ungrateful to criticize their choices and vision but I guess that's what I'm doing. I'm deeply conflicted here.
Posted by: Ken K., Portland ORMike - Agreed that Bruce adds interesting songs to his set list; not surprised that he's done 75 different ones over the year-long tour. But most of these have gotten 1-4 performances each, and at predictable points in the set, while a group of 14-20 are played at practically every show. The days when his set lists changed dramatically each night are long past, but I remember them well, having seen my first Bruce show over 30 years ago.
Can't wait for tonight's show. Hopeful that they've used the 4 day layoff to add at least one new thing to the set.
Happy listening - Ken K.
Posted by: Chief of Theory, Queens, NY Re Walter's guitar playing - There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to play on your own album. The diffuculty here is this - in the 70s, jazz-rock fusion was new. It was a big deal, and fresh. Now it's the oldest same old same old yawn ho hum stuff you can imagine. It just so happened that B&F happened to be young kids at that time, and it worked perfectly for them. But they are not interested in playing other styles.
Whether you like it or hate it, the bottom line is that their music, with very very few exceptions like a percussion machine here and there, is frozen in a 70s block of ice. In the 80s and 90s things like world music, zydeco, rap, etc., came into vogue in pop music and B&F just have no interest in it. Except for a few references in the lyrics, EMG and Gaucho could be swapped in time and who would know the difference? In their own way they are as inflexible and stubborn as somebody like Keith jarrett or Wynton Marsalis.
Posted by: Kid Clean, Whew!
After 45 minutes I finally got through. 2 tix to Memphis are on the way.
I think Walter's playing is perfect, for Walter. He's no speed demon, or flashy spin the guitar around your back player, but he's damn good at what he does. Anyone who thinks otherwise or doubts his chops, try and get your hands on (if you weren't at one of the shows) a copy of Boston Rag from Y2K. End of discussion.
KC
p.s. yeah, i'd like to hear him really go off on a couple songs, but i'm just happy he's still playin'.
Posted by: Jaydee, LondonRandoms:
Gospel literally means 'good news', doesn't it - as in four gospels relating the coming of JC. In Last Mall 'gospel morning' surely refers to some cosmic or nuclear end of the world scenario, with the 'blood orange sky' as a harbinger (buy our stuff and head for those bunkers folks).
No idea about 'gospel time' in Almost Gothic, but that lyric beats me hands down anyway. I bet there's a US TV show called 'Gospel Time' though - maybe the narrator is a producer/ cameraman/ gopher on the show!
Walter - I love his guitar playing but not yet fully able to embrace the vocals. Just too monotone for me. And what's all this 'gear slut' nonsense? Is it just a wacky americanism for someone who's overly fastidious about his apparel?
TIMTM - agree with wormy: he married money and all that stuff came (and went) with it.
Posted by: Rindy, NYCthx, man with no face
your "gospel" explanations work for me
does anyone else agree w/me that "almost gothic" is about an s&m relationship?
gary - i'll be at pnc show; anyone planning a danfest there?
-rindy
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Hey Mr. Man: I believe you nailed it, the gospel truth.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYSeems like I am about the only person here who enjoys Walter's guitar fills and licks on EMG. I haven't heard his stuff live--yet--so perhaps I'm missing something.
HOWEVER, that being said, I'd rather have him playing bass live--he's an awesome bassist!
Posted by: Man with no face, I'll take a shot at "gospel". The dictionary definition is the message of Christ and the Christian faith. Conversationally, the word normally provides emphasis as in the phrase "the gospel truth". In "The Last Mall", the narrator, speaking about the end of the world, calls it "that morning, that GOSPEL morning" emphasizing the seriousness of it. The Gospel also fortells of the end of the world, when Jesus returns. So its also a biblical literary allusion.
In "Almost Gothic", the narrator opens the song with the phrase "I'm working on gospel time these days". He's using the metaphor of religious fervor to describe his emotional state and set the mood for the description of the relationship with the sloe eyed creature. The religious metaphor is further reinforced by the phrase "amen corner".
Posted by: sr, Gretchen --
Go to http://www.andymetzger.com/sounds/.
There are two versions of "The Second Arrangement" in the "Gaucho Outtakes" section -- one version is (probably a third generation dub of) the original recording, which, the story goes, was lost when a studio grunt, supposedly "calibrating the equipment," managed to set all the tracks to Erase and wiped it out.
The second version is Becker and Fagen's attempt to re-record the song. It was supposed to have been released on "Gaucho," but they didn't have the heart to finish it.
In the past there has been considerable discussion among Dan fans about this song. Some think it may have been one of their best compositions. I'm not in that camp, myself. It's become such a mythical subject to the hardcore fan base that it would have been very like B&F to make an offhanded reference to it on EMG.
You be the judge.
Posted by: Gary, NJAnyone going to the PNC Bank concert in August in NJ?
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.Poor Walter, we do give him s**t, don't we? I'd like to hear him play bass live also but could he sustain it for 2+ hours? Dunno. As a guitarist, he's got some tasty little blues licks but, yeah, a little repetitive and a lot unadventurous. I don't think they'll tour in this format again. Donald, Keith, Leonhart pere, and Walter were just great on Piano Jazz, wow, so I'd be up for trashing all this art-rock crap, bag all the nostalgia, the Do It Again, the My Old School, the Reelin' thing. Here in the post-apochalyptical Bush era, dump it all and get on with the jazz. Get on with - EMG.
Gretchen, WHAT are you smoking girl? But you're still my little wenchen.
Posted by: Gretchen, HEY SLINKY REDHEAD-
What do you know about "Second Arrangement?" Where can I hear it? And what is it about?
to BOB-Leave Walter alone!!
Posted by: Beerberian, @burtonRobbie ... quite agree - Must be living on the same river connects our train of thought
Posted by: BOB, First of all I am a big Steely Dan fan. That being said the new CD is very dissapointing. It's to bluesy without any Jazz riffs at all. Back in the 70s Stelly Dan had some great guitarist (Jeff Baxter). Walter Becker played bass back then and should continue now. He is not a lead or back up guitar player.
On this tour Walter Becker sings two songs. What a joke. In Chicago when WB plays we run to the washroom and beer line and take "A Walter Becker Break".
In conclusion SD has mailed this tour in. DF has a solo CD coming out neext year and might tour with a new band. He is just appeasing WB because he knows this is thier last tour together.
Grouchy
Bob
Posted by: Rindy, No takers on my question?Calling all Danphiles...
What is the meaning of the term "gospel" on the last couple of albums?
- gospel time
- gospel morning
Posted by: Kid Clean,
Listening to Memphis Blues Again, waiting for 10 am to roll around to get tix for Memphis Blues Again Again. I'm still holding out on the set list yet. It's been getting easier but those first few days were tough. However, if someone would be willing to email me a GENERAL review (i.e. musicianship, aura, etc), that would be great.
See Ya'll in Chicago next freakin' Friday!!!! Wooo Hooooo!
KC
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliThey (soldiers) kill mi poppi when se refusa habla el secret password to the government agents: SHECKY GREEN PIXELEEN AFRO SHEEN LATIFAH QUEEN. He the first one they die. Despues, how you say, later, "Maricon Joe", they die him worse than poppi porque poppi just have news in his head but "Maricon Joe" have ciento bootleg tapes de Ronald Fagen, Night, camaflougo in his milk truck but they find. Fue necesaario entonces make new password: NO TOMORROW HIDDEN SORROW JEFF PORCARO NEVER BORROW. Cuando mi wiff Barna hurt her breasts in the ocean we thinkin maybe not go to America but we forge on like lunaticks.
In other developments: se sacho de misa jovenes se me embristiacchiana lon has scenon cualquiere.
Posted by: Big Fan, at home - wish I were sleepingGetting ready at Fiddler's Green:
God I wish I could have gone to the Gorge show - the indoor venues I'll be seeing them at just aren't the same. SueDave et al have a great time!!!!!
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~78~1543566,00.html
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/entertainment/article/0,1299,DRMN_6_2147671,00.html
Posted by: slinky redhead, I like this TIMTM thread...my take on it is that the narrator is the arrogant two-timer of "The Second Arrangement", whose wife has finally left him (after taking him to the cleaners). He's older and probably uglier but still clueless about deeper meanings, which is why all he misses are the material things from his yuppie days. The song itself being a wry nod from Becker and Fagen to that most vocal section of the fandom that has always clamored for TSE to be re-released.
Posted by: robbie, River Trent Don`t get me wrong, I am a huge Dan Fan. Is it just my dope addled ears or is Walters guitar work on the new and the last album predictable and uninspiring. He just seems to play the obvious notes and regular fills all with the same tone. Remember all those wonderful session guys on the early dan records that played really interesting guitar, the break on Boddisatva, the melodic lines on the first album, the angular lead on the Aja tracks. All appear to have been dumped for the blues style fills.
I presume Walt got session guitarists in to avoid his own standard blues licks, nowdays these ring throughout. Should Walter stay with the bass? Will I be flogged for daring to be critical? Or have I got a point?
Posted by: Jaydee, London EnglandThanks to fm for Dallas venue info - sounds fine.
Now searching www for hotel. I was all for Holiday Inn, or Bates Motel kind of thing (for that real American experience) but girlfriend says 'It's only three nights, let's go upmarket' (yes, sure, who's paying).
Then I wondered which hotel D and W might be in (any Dallas-ites got any idea?) and began picturing a 20 second trip in a lift with one or both of them. What single question would I ask, provided I could control the hyperventilating?
Probably - Me: 'Er, what's a squonk then?'
Walter (exiting, with doors closing): 'Listen to the Genesis song - it's all there.'
Posted by: Mike, LondonWith regard to Bruce's repertoire: He's far from pulling the extras from a limited list. I saw him in London a couple of months ago. He performed 26 songs in a three hour show. I checked his playlists for this year and up to that point he had performed 75 different songs! I notice that he's still adding to the list!!!
Looking forward to seeing the Dan in Santa Barbara, we're flying over especially. Looks like the boys could take a leaf out of Bruce's book and add a few extras. Love the choice of oldies added this time, but would like to see a bit more new stuff. I don'y know what I'd leave out. Oh well, if Bruce can do three hours, I'm sure Don and Walt could, especially if they missed out the knee drops and hanging upside down from the mic stand.
Posted by: Mike A, Sunny Washington State Lutz: As for the "Armageddon kind of lyrics", they could be a downer depending on what mood you are in. At any rate, I think the guys really captured the current state of affairs in the USA (and elswhere)with these lyrics. It's a good thing they inject a bit of backdoor humor in there once in awhile.
Personally, I am sick of Enron and WorldCom, sick of living under the terroism siege, sick of the rotten economy, and sick of my company telling me to lay off guys cuz we are shipping jobs to China. With all of this, I am extremely gratefull that the Dan released EMG. I counted the days for several months waiting for this CD. It's just AWESOME. Best SD album in a very long time.
Thanks Gentleman. Now let's prove Lutz' source wrong. Finish the tour, and get back to work on the next CD. I'll buy a couple copies.
Mike A.
Posted by: gretchen, the TIMTM couple bought all that stuff because something was missing in the relationship they thought all of these luxuries could fix. However, not so. I'm sure the material goods were fun while they lasted, but they cannot fix a doomed union. I'd much rather have a good guy than a good copper pan, although those pans kick ass!
Posted by: Gretchen, home
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