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JANUARY - JULY 2007 BlueBook Entries
All Times are Eastern (New York City) Time Zone.
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Date: Tues, July 31, 2007, 21:35:25 ET
Posted by: your best buddy, not jersey
geez lisa ggeezz
you could clue us in on where to get a sweet deal on a Edirol MIDI/USB PC-50!
i wouldn't mind getting getting one too. mine would have to work with a g4 mac running 9.5. does that work?
also, i'd love to get vintage analogue synth software to work with that system and digi001.
¿any recommendations?
wd
Date: Tues, July 31, 2007, 21:18:13 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Dirty City
Any Zappa fans out there? I have one Zappa Plays Zappa ticket for sale for this Sunday's show at the Count Basie in Red Bank NJ. 7th row center, $95. Damn good show, and, hey, for the 95 bucks, I'll buy you a pizza (FZ in-joke). Thanks!
Date: Tues, July 31, 2007, 15:23:57 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Doc Mu, thanks for putting up the rest of those Jeff clips. Watching him break down his grooves like that and then put it all together is simply mesmorizing. Hell I haven't been moved like that since I last heard Aja live!
I've seen that Boz clip before, I watch it all the time, it gives me chills to see Jeff - how old is he there?!?! 20? - play that song so perfectly live. I still get a rush when the curtain rises behind him and there's that full orchestra!
Date: Tues, July 31, 2007, 06:43:07 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
After that very exciting weekend in Lucca, the idea to return to Toscane in July next years is now a real alternative. Just because you can have it all there in July: very good weather, nice people, good food, tasty wine , a rich ancient history and very good music festivals where you can mix jazz, rock and Opera.
Every day during July & august you can enjoy Giacomo Puccini’s music in one of the lovely churches or cathedrals of Lucca. That’s what I did last Sunday. It was my first live opera experience and I was surely not disappointed. Local Italian musicians were performing Puccini’s “Turandot”. So I made my own interpretation of the idea “Steely Dan meets Puccini”.
But let’s talk a little bit about the “Lucca Summer festival” that always find place during the whole month of July. This summer fest had been organised for the first time in 1998. The concept was very clear: mixing rock, pop, jazz, soul and R&B putting it all in a summer outfit. This first edition was a very small one, with only three days in July. On the program: Bob Dylan, George Benson, Joe Cocker and Steve Winwood . From 1999 till today there always were minimum 10 days programmed during July with a lot of diversity in their musical choice.
Why am I telling this? Because I think the “Lucca Summer festival” organisation deserves a lot of respect and consideration for what they are doing every year. That’s my way to thank them for their inversion in good and acceptable music, their impeccable organisation and mostly their eyes for the most miniscule details. Artists that were be able to bring a very special atmosphere and warmth over the Piazza Napoleone over the passing years, are always asked to come back and receives a very specific and warm place somewhere in the corner of the heart of the LSF organisation. That’s why I’m thinking our boys will come back to Lucca and sooner then we can expect. And between you and I, something’s telling me that it could possibly be …. The Donald Fagen Band!! Wishful thinking or reality? The future will tell it.
As so far only two artists had the honour to come back 3 times: George Benson and Elton John.
Eight other artists are be able to say there were there during two editions.
I made my little homework specially for the fanatics between us who loves statistics.
THREE TIMES PRESENT IN LUCCA
George Benson 98 - - 01 - - - 05 - -
Elton John - 99 - - - 03 - - - 07
TWO TIMES
Joe Cocker 98 - 00 - - - - - - -
Lauren Hill - - - - - - - 05 - 07
Jamiroquai - - - - 02 - - 05 - -
Pat Metheny - 99 00 - - - - - - -
Alanis Morissette - - 00 - - 03 - - - -
Youssou N’Dour - - 00 - - - - 05 - -
Simply Red - - - - - 03 - - 06 -
James Taylor - 99 - - - - 04 - - -
ONLY ONE TIME but who knows next time…
Bob Dylan 98 - - - - - - - - -
Steve Winwood 98 - - - - - - - - -
Back Street Boys - 99 - - - - - - - -
Herbie Hancock - 99 - - - - - - - -
Al Jarreau - 99 - - - - - - - -
Branford Marsalis - 99 - - - - - - - -
David Sanborn - 99 - - - - - - - -
Bill Wyman - 99 - - - - - - - -
Joan Baez - - 00 - - - - - - -
Michael Brecker - - 00 - - - - - - -
Buena Vista Social Club - - 00 - - - - - - -
Ray Charles - - 00 - - - - - - -
Nathalie Cole - - 00 - - - - - - -
The Cranberries - - 00 - - - - - - -
Oscar De Leon - - 00 - - - - - - -
Lionel Richie - - 00 - - - - - - -
David Crosby - - - 01 - - - - - -
Eagles - - - 01 - - - - - -
Mark Knopfler - - - 01 - - - - - -
Los Van Van - - - 01 - - - - - -
Marcus Miller - - - 01 - - - - - -
Neil Young - - - 01 - - - - - -
David Bowie - - - - 02 - - - - -
Craig David - - - - 02 - - - - -
Jarret-Peacock-Dejohnet - - - - 02 - - - - -
Oasis - - - - 02 - - - - -
Paul Simon - - - - 02 - - - -
Rod Stewart - - - - 02 - - - - -
Toto - - - - 02 - - - - -
Zucchero - - - - 02 - - - - -
Wynton Marsalis - - - - - 03 - - - -
Diana Krall - - - - - 03 - - - -
Burt Bacharach - - - - - - 04 - - -
Peter Gabriel - - - - - - 04 - - -
Macey Gray - - - - - - 04 - - -
Alicia Keys - - - - - - 04 - - -
Patti Labelle - - - - - - 04 - - -
Pink - - - - - - 04 - - -
Bonnie Rait - - - - - - 04 - - -
Eros Ramazzoti - - - - - - 04 - - -
Terence Blanchard - - - - - - - 05 - -
James Brown - - - - - - - 05 - -
Crosby, Stills & Nash - - - - - - - 05 - -
Van Morrison - - - - - - - 05 - -
Tracey Chapmann - - - - - - - - 06 -
Eric Clapton - - - - - - - - 06 -
Santana - - - - - - - - 06 -
Roger Waters - - - - - - - - 06 -
Norah Jones - - - - - - - - - 07
John Legend - - - - - - - - - 07
Ricky Martin - - - - - - - - - 07
George Michael - - - - - - - - - 07
Steely Dan - - - - - - - - - 07
Joss Stone - - - - - - - - - 07
Dionne Warwick - - - - - - - - - 07
Date: Tues, July 31, 2007, 01:42:35 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Sunset Boulevard
how about a Double Dan Entendre, kind of:
JOHN BEASLEY
AUGUST CONCERT CALENDAR
August
9 Bob Sheppard Quartet
Featuring: John Beasley (p), Jeff D'Angelo (b), Matt Gordy (d)
Spazio ˆ Jazz Spot
14755 Ventura Blvd., Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
(818) 728-8400
No Cover Charge
Music: 7:30 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.
http://www.spazio.la/cgi-bin/calendar/calendar.cgi <http://www.spazio.la/cgi-bin/calendar/calendar.cgi>
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 22:52:30 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Girl Margaret...it's a cryin' shame that Jeff's voice is no longer with it. He was simply the best at combining groove, shuffle, shuffle groove, and fill...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPK54oubn3Y&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_k8QkBfyS0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uyhi0o3ICc&mode=related&search=
Live version of one of the greatest groove Jeff ever laid down...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBdFyE7PeE&mode=related&search=
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 22:23:59 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
and again, Copeland definitely has a voice. BUT he also definitely limited compared to Vinnie. both things can exist at the same time. take Ringo as another example- he's surely got a voice (and in terms of net chops/styles/ideas Ringo is limited compared to Copeland).
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 22:21:18 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
oy vey. i dont recall myself using the word "limited", either at all or in the context you are using it. please re-read my posts, and pay attention to the solo sections. there's also various videos of the live Aja solo section on youtube- you'll notice KC plays the same kind of things everytime.
look- face it. Vinnie and many other guys do IN FACT possess a much larger chop/lick/stylistic vocabulary and are IN FACT much mroe technically proficient. THAT IS ALL WE ARE SAYING (we aren't talking about groove, touch, taste, musicality, etc.). that isn't subjective. just listen (carefully if you aren't a drummer).
Keith Carlock, however, surely does have a VERY UNIQUE voice. And he plays VERY WELL with Steely Dan. He plays appropriately and gets the job done like no other SD drummer has done. Can Vinnie do what KC does? Maybe not and of course certainly not quite like him. He probably wouldn't be that great of a fit for SD either (although I would SURE AS HELL like to see it for kicks :P).
I guess if you aren't a drummer it's hard to recognize. And as Steely Dan fanatic, it is hard to except criticism. But once again, it's not really criticism. The groove, touch, and musicality are what is important with SD.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 21:53:17 ET
Posted by: limited drummers?,
Keith Carlock limited? I guess in the same way Stewart Copeland is limited, or Michael Brecker was limited or Donald's voice is limited.
In other words, Carlock (Brecker, Copeland, Fagen, etc...) has such a distinct musical personality that you can recognize his playing immediately. I would call that having a "voice", not being limited when compared to Vinnie or other extra-human players. He's also a young kid who has made quite a splash in a short time.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 17:52:02 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
When Carlock's instructional DVD comes out next year you can hear all about his licks from him:
http://www.keithcarlock.com/news.htm
But for now you can listen to Jeff Porcaro talk about his shuffle here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDY5YRO5pQ&mode=related&search=
I could melt just watching that.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 15:49:32 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
DEACONBLUE, no I don't quite understand your choice to withhold information :P. Please please please please tell!!!
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 15:28:44 ET
Posted by: Karsten, omenhouse'n (most of the year)
BTW, DEACONBLUE, were you one of those two guys with the Donald-Fagen-Tour t-shirt on? We saw two guys with such a shirt walk by when we were eating in the restaurant "rousseau le dogana" (or something similar) and I was saying to Bert, who was with me in the US for the 2003 summer tour and who wore a shirt of that tour (the greek coffee cup) on Saturday, that you both definitely beat him in this discipline.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 15:27:31 ET
Posted by: Alkali, Captain's Neck Ln. Sth. Hampton, NY
[“bonjourno!
bravo de steely dan liazzo
italiano audiente' supremo
artiste' inspiro un grando
arrevideci”]
What is that, Pig-Latin?
“La lingua Italiana non si parla con la bocca, ma con il cuore”
Speaking of swine in Latium, I would have loved to be at the Lucca show, not necessarily for the music, lord knows the S.O.S. set list is a dead horse, but for the pure joy of being in Tuscany!
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 13:51:52 ET
Posted by: Karsten, Omenhouse'n (most of the year)
After a 9 hours drive (breaks included) we just returned from Lucca. It was a damn good trip and Lucca is the perfect town for such an event. Blue sky, good food, the moon and the weather ... even, well, not cheap, but not that expensive very good chilled beer at the Gelateria. We had a very nice stay there and saw a really great SD show. I would have liked to do some "inside SD talk" with some of the musicians too and was standing at the fence after the soundcheck with some guys calling "1-2-3: Donald, Donald, ..." but without much luck (though KC was coming out and talked to some fans). Berlin was my "second to Lucca", the Zitadel is a nice location too - the Stuttgart show (very close to my hometown, so going there was a must) was not that good IMHO - this may has been caused by the fact, that the sound was bad in the first rows (no PA, only the stage sound) and the entire band seemed a bit "tired" to me. Maybe because they had 3 days off in Paris before? Anyway - another SD-July with 3 shows has come to an end. I hope there'll be another one - European showdown in Lucca welcome.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 12:41:46 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, LUCCA , i miss you yet
Sabato 28 luglio 2007 Piazza Napoleone ore 21.30
This date is going to stay forever in my mind. I saw the Dan and Mr Fagen 7 times before Lucca.I cannot say they disepointed me one time, not at all. As so far, the Temecula experience last year during Donalds solotour was one not to forget. But what happens in Lucca was really amazing, really fenomenal. You had to be there to understand what i really means.
I knew before the concert that Lucca not only was the perfect place to make an end to the European tour. It's just that there is no better place to go and see Steely Dan.
It began in the late afternoon around 5 o clock when the musicians arrived at the Piazza Napoleone where there was a reception in the local Carabinierri casern where they could enjoy Italian food and beverages. After a while Mr Roger Rosenberg took a walk at the Piazza just like he was walking in his garden.
I stood there with a couple of Steely Danfans that i just met. Thierry from France and RJ from Ireland.And just like me they came specially over from their countries to see their heroes.
Aperntly, Mr Rosenberg saw us, with that weird Steely Dan t shirts,in the corner of his eyes. He came himself to say hello and immediately there was a spontanic conversation between 4 simple guys who loves music and most of all who loves jazz.
We talk about 45 minutes, so long that the other musicians were worried because they had lost Roger Rosenberg. It was finally Walt Weiskopf that walked down the stage" to go and get our dear Roger.
We took some pictures of both musicians before they get back on stage to begin the soundcheck.
Well it was absolutely a nice talk with a lot of conversationtheme's. Yes even about a Irish boxer.I can say we all learned lot about all the Steely Dan members and yes also about Donald and Walter. I respect and admire the simplicity and openmind mentality of Roger. So from that point of view i prefere not to tell details about that conversation with Roger Rosenberg. It's a question of respect. I hope you will understand this.
So right before they started the soundcheck, securitymembers cleaned up the whole piazza asking all the present fans to leave the piazza and to go take place at one of the four streetcorners near the concertarea. We could not see the Donald and Walter very well from there but we could here of course very well the music.
Soundcheck was very short.They played Dirty Work, Haitian Divorce and GreenEarrings. The crowd was very exited and almost insane. There were about a hundred fans what gave the impression the concert started at 5.30 in the afternoon. It's very difficult to express the atmosphere of that very special moment.
From the beginning till the end the concert was just amazing good. excuse it was more than good. Every present person knows what i'm talking about. Just like Roberto (where the hell were you my friend) said earlier, there was an electric atmosphere in the air. The crowd was really exceptional ans so were Donald and Walter and the Steely Dan Orchestra. You could feel that there was a sincere and emotional comunication between our two heroes and the audience.
The sound was really perfect. You could hear every detail of the voices and instruments.Steely Dans performance was extraordinarily good. Maybe it's got to do with the beauty of Lucca, just like Donald told it very emotianaly to the crowd or maybe because they got the Roman Gods on their side.
Lucca was anounced as the place to be with Steely Dan and so it was. Those ones who were there, knows thet they were witnesses of something really exceptional, something historical!!
Thanks Donald and Walter and all the other musicians for the happiness you brought that saturdaynight at the Piazza.
So to end my story i'll give you the setlist of Lucca
Intro
Time out of mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two against nature
Hey nineteen
Peg
Haitian Divorce
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Chain Lightning
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE
Pretzel Logic
My old school
Outro
And till next time. Only the Roman Gods knows when.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 12:34:05 ET
Posted by: Long Time Gone, Portland
Happy belated birthday to a certain missing person.......another year older sure looks good on you.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 11:08:21 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Chris:
http://keithcarlock.com/board.htm
it's not that "damning"- if you had never heard keith you could probably take it any way you want. but im glad you understand my post, and we'll leave it at that.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 06:44:11 ET
Posted by: italiano appreciate', new world
bonjourno!
bravo de steely dan liazzo
italiano audiente' supremo
artiste' inspiro un grando
arrevideci
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 02:49:38 ET
Posted by: é l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
I was at the Lucca gig and I can only say that they were just absolutely amazing. The setting was awesome. A warm summer evening in a piazza in a picturesque tuscan town. The acoustics were absolutely spot on.
I went with three other companions who were not knowledgeable about Steely Dan and their greatness. They were blown away by the gig (as I was).
We even managed to catch the sound check in the late afternoon and i think I got a a feeling right then and there that it was going to sound good.
The atmosphere in the Piazza that night was electric and I think we italians gave the guys a warm welcome and everybody was really responding to every song.
it's pointless going into detail as to what or who was doing what for each song etc.., because I can't pick fault with anything they did and my mind is just a blur of excitment and jaw dropping awe at how good they sounded and played. This was a helluva gig.
The set list, from memory, was the usual sequence played throughout the tour and posted here a few times. For encores they did Pretzel Logic (thanks Don and Walt) and My Old School.
This was so much much more a better gig than the one I saw in Birmingham a few weeks back. I'm not saying they were bad there but this was just the best live performance of anything I have ever seen.
I think Don especially was very appreciative of the feedback he was getting from the crowd.
I do think though that they could be a little tired from the tour so far but that is just my personal thought and in no way did it reflect on their performnce in Lucca. I think they need the two week break.
The sound was just so much bettet than Birmingham. I could hear every nuance from the guitars, the bass, the drumming, the keyboards, the vocals and the brass section and it just made me appreciate so much more how great these guys really are.
A word also for the quality of the video on the big screens at the side of the stage. They were top quality. showing some great angles, (the Carlock drum cam especially) and the view was of you actaully being on stage with them. I had a good seat, right up front, but I must say I found myself many a time watching the screens as the cameras panned in tight on the frets of some guitar solo or when they showed KC doing his bit from just over his left shoulder or some nifty keyboard play from Jeff Young (who was in fine voice for Pretzel Logic)
A great night, I am still buzzing, two days later..maybe when I get off this big fluffy Dan cloud I'll write more impressions of the gig.
Roberto
Date: Mon, July 30, 2007, 01:49:48 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
Warrenk - nope, I'm a piano player. and also especially critical of pianists (don't get me started on Fagen's melodica solos) ... so I see where you're coming from, and your post made a lot of sense. One thing, though - you wouldn't happen to have a link to the post where Carlock talks about his weakness, would you? I'm interested to see the context. While I don't doubt the content of your post (it was actually quite informative), that bit of supposed damning evidence is suspect to me.
Lisa- Ha, nope, I don't post here anonymously ... hiding behind my username is anonymous enough.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 22:33:20 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu , left of the Rio Grande
KC is masterful live. His take on Aja is jaw dropping. Time Out of Mind also stuck out in my mind and Cubana Chant. He seems more comfortable doing the groove + fill thing on stage. He can integrate jazz and rock influences particularly well
I can hear the argument that on the album the comfort level is not quite there on the Last Mall or Things I Miss the Most...and he's a little weaker using the R&B card on EMG...but Godwhacker, Gina, EMG title track are outstanding to revelational. KC is absolutely rock solid throughout the very overlooked Morph. His work on Funn and Security Joan are particularly tasty. KC's channeling Al Green producer Willie Mitchell and the legendary Al Jackson on What I Do.
There will never be another Jeff Porcaro, but KC got the muscle, even if he has a little less R&B in the shuffle.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 21:37:24 ET
Posted by: LisaG, KC for President
"The thing that always bothers me about the KC insults is that one poster in particular whose name I don't remember always mentions how he only has two signature licks, and that he admitted to it on his forum. "
Hahaha!! Is it me or does this sound similar to something another "Carlock fan" once said about "the same chick...blah, blah, blah." But it couldn't be the same person because this dude actually used his name. Funny, we never heard a rebuttal from that person. Hmmm...at least Chris, nh isn't chick-bashing and assuming that people are insulting Carlock when they aren't. :-P Rock on, Chris. Rock on.
By the by, keyboard people, has anyone used any of the Edirol MIDI/USB controllers? I just picked me up the basic PC-50 for a sweet deal--no store is advertising it for this. I can't wait to get that thing cranked up, but I have to find a workspace first. I wasn't going to spend a fortune for something since it would be my first fray into sequencing software, and I already have a nice board for gigs. I've read everything I can find about the unit online. Any personal reviews from the Greater Dandom would be appreciated, and thanks in advance. :-D
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 21:04:56 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
warrenk - put me in the list of drummers who hear exactly what it is you're talking about! Any drummer would be able to hear it. Carlock's great!! No argument there. But his bag-o-tricks ain't exactly deep by anyone's definition. Vinnie, on the other hand, or Steve Smith, Dennis, Weckl, countless others, could play for God knows how long without repeating the same lick. Just my worthless opinion.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 20:17:33 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Just to let you know, Chris and others who get angry from KC insults, I am a drummer. But I am not insulting KC, and I surely cannot play like him. And while I take back the phrase "it's pretty much a fact" because that's just silly to say, I used that phrase because among drummers with developed ears KC is one of the more repetitive soloists. BUT THAT'S FINE- he still kicks ass.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 20:13:50 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
And if it makes you feel any better, Steve Gadd's lick vocabularly isn't enormous, either. He has his signature licks (albeit surely REVOLUTIONARY)- the stuff you hear in AJA sums up a lot of the licks he pulls out in other stuff he does. But what's so special about him is his groove, musicality, and taste. That's why he is one of the most recorded drummers everywhere.
If you want to talk LICK?/CHOPS vocabulary, guys like Keith Carlock and Steve Gadd you can put on one level, and guys like Vinnie Colaiuta, Dave Weckl, Steve Smith etc. in another. To many listeners, that means jack, as well as to musicians of all styles of music who hire (Vinnie Colauita is the biggest exception- and that is why he is my God).
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 19:58:36 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Chris, are you a drummer?
I don't know why it really bothers you. If you like his playing, you like it. I like it too. And other than Erskine, I haven't heard a live drummer play for SD as well as KC does. But it's pretty much a fact- and KC HAS said it. To explain in perhaps a bit more depth, his solos are musically based around the groove, and he uses permutations of funk beats and 2nd line New Orleans type stuff to create this sound. He usually starts with that, builds up the solo; then when it's starting to get hot, he'll pull out his doubles between hands and feet. He'll do it in rock, he'll do it in jazz. Examples for you:
CUBANO CHANT: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtBFYUXqVS8
This is an example in the jazz idiom. Cubano Chant was SD's opening tune for their 2003 shows. KC is the last solo in the solo section.
JOSIE: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_63R8EAu6WI
A longer solo in the rock idiom.
You'll see both solos start out with grooves, and you'll see the doubles (the faster stuff) come in later. Since the first solo is short, his solo structure is simply GROOVE then DOUBLES. In Josie, it's more of GROOVE throughout the whole thing, with the DOUBLES interspered throughout the later part of the solo.
I'm not saying other drummers don't repeat themselves in their solos. They do. But usually they repeat many more different types of ideas/licks. That being said, KC is one of the more musically minded/non-drummer friendly drum soloists I've heard- and that's why D&W love him so much.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 19:44:01 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
The thing that always bothers me about the KC insults is that one poster in particular whose name I don't remember always mentions how he only has two signature licks, and that he admitted to it on his forum. The thing is, most players have a few signature licks, drummers especially, and Carlock was probably just being modest. But hey, I thought Lawson was pretty great too - machine like, sure, but there's something to be said for that much precision. And you know, not that I advocate blind faith or anything, but I really do think that there's something to be said for the fact that he's the first full time Steely Dan drummer ever.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 18:54:24 ET
Posted by: me again, BBC
This is a short one...
"I think there should be a law against people standing in swamps."
::looks down::
"Oh."
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 18:53:06 ET
Posted by: LG, maybe he's a fairy
Ahhh, Mr. Gumby. Your kerchief serves you well.
In the first set, apparenly, Jim Pugh didn't get the dress code memo. Is that Donald Fagen's chest?!?!?!
The second link truly is a beautiful pic of our girl, Carolyn. It appears as if they made the band members wear wrist-bands. Interesting.
Hope those in the NE are safe from flooding. Nasty storms in the last day.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 18:46:15 ET
Posted by: My brain hurts too!,
Glasses
Moustache
Handkerchief
I'M GOING TO OPERATE!!!!!!!!
One of my fav skits.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 18:31:20 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Caves Of Alta Vista
Hi folks.
For those who can recieve Norwegian TV-channels, there will be served a little snack next week. The National Broadcasting Company (NRK1)will send a program called "Festivalsommer" on Thursday, August 2nd at 8:25pm local time (GMT+1, summertime) which, amongst other will contain a clip from the Molde gig. Some programs from this TV station can even be streamed at their website after having been broadcasted regulary. I have no idea if this will be the case for this particular program, but you bet I'll keep you updated on this. Adress for this net-TV service is:
http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/forside
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 16:58:21 ET
Posted by: Mr Gumby, "My brain hurts!"
Found >>>
Pics that could very well be from Lucca. At least the photographer is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65723722@N00/tags/steely/
And here's a not that unfamiliar face caught in a great photo from the North Sea Jazz gig:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88339129@N00/871038872/
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 13:39:21 ET
Posted by: Mario, Washington, D.C.
Rajah...where are you? Waiting for your review of the Lucca show...
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 13:30:06 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...Lonnie...where are you? Waiting for your review of the Lucca show...
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 07:07:45 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, from LUCCA
Like i said a few days ago. Lucca was supposed to be my highlight this summer. And believe me so it was.
Lucca is a very beautiful, peacefull, nice and pitoresque little city with his numerous little streets, a lot of antique churches and other constructions behind his hystorical Roman wall. it's is more than i could imagine myself. The most ideal place to end the European tour.
So for now i've not a lot of time because i still have lot to see here in Toscane and tommorow afternoon i leave this little paradise to go back to reality.
All i have to say that Lucca was my best Steely Dan concert i've ever been. It was just great. Everyone was in a great form and what a incredible sound.only a 15 song setlist but it was his money worth.
I've met a lot of nice people, die hard fans since years but never been on the Bluebook. So nice to have meet you Kenny from Ireland, Thierry from France , Salvatore and Andreas from Italy and Mr Roger Rosenberg from Ney York city. I had the honor to conversate with Roger about 45 minutes. What a great person and what a humanity.
I have to go now so more info tomorrow;
Date: Sun, July 29, 2007, 05:26:37 ET
Posted by: Hans, Netherlands
Oops, don't get me wrong. The photo's are not taken by me, I only found them on the web and shared the link!
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 21:38:47 ET
Posted by: Fife, Florida,eh
Great photos Hans. Thank you.
Anyone up for chat? It's been kind of lonely in there lately.
Fife
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 19:29:21 ET
Posted by: LisaG, I like your pinshot
Ditto to Hans. GREAT SHOTS!! How did you get such awesome close-ups? Eh, what do I know from photography. The girls looked downright exhausted. Touring is a bitch to your body. Hope the band gets some rest before the last leg.
P.S. Hans, were they giving the beer away or was that a requirement to be in the audience? Oh except for that one dark haired young dude (I've seen him before) and someone drinking that which looked green. Hmmm. Anyway, nice fan shots. Nice band shots. Terrific work. Thanks so much for sharing them.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 19:03:23 ET
Posted by: Newark, MD
TJ: Thx for some diversion on a warm weekend eve. :-)
Hans Jonkhof, Netherlands: Great post and amazing photos. The fan shots are all so very cool. Thx, dude Great to see more pics of the band . Geez nwk
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 18:57:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
TJ - you do not mess up the Blue, amico mio, you gave me a brilliant memoryof West of Hollywood from Universal in June of 2000. I loved Chris Potter on that soaring solo out but even more, Cornelius, our dear departed Cornelius and nothing against Roger Rosenberg, a great player but Corni had the touch, the soul, the nuance and I just hate to think of him dying like that on a plane to Kansas City...nothing against Kansas City you understand. But at least he was with his dear wife and well, if you have to go, who better to go with than in your arms of your sweet loved one? OK, RIP, ma Brotha.
And listen, Keith Carlock has taken a lot of hits heron lately, some of them even leveled by me, the Ever-Judicious and Benevolent Rajah. But let's just admit that whatever we might think of his style, he has always brought great energy and exuberance and youth and drive to his playing. He's a mench, he's a young bull and he's a great goddam player.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 16:39:39 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Home on a saturday night I might as well mess up the blue...
Goddies from YouTube:
West of Hollywood live from 2000. Only sound but why the H... aren't they playing this one live. It's terrific!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jRxXDiqNuXI
Interview with Herington and M. Leonhart from 2007 about the show in Paris and the two's latest album:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5he-MR3XL9E&mode=related&search=
Credit to Carlock for beeing so hypnotizing at this distance:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fOwfmlp0Hvg
I would have traveled to London if I knew they played Home At Last. So beautiful!!!:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QgYBOyEaoi4
Why the heck didn't I get to play Time Out of Mind in 7. grade? These guys even borrowed Wendel II. Good fun! Wonder if their teacher knows what the lyrics are about.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3glhsp7vUzA
Even better this one. What a great piano song:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0mv7CuczmJ8
The oldies just work perfect live. Never knew they played Parkes Band. Guess it makes sense as Carlock is playing for two. Great horns, great sound. Great girls in the bridge!!! Watch this!!:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y06qLqxvVvA
Things I miss The Most from same concert. Gvæjt sound. Great song.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J2InodJ6-tQ&
That's all for tonight..
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 15:53:35 ET
Posted by: Hans Jonkhof, Netherlands
I saw SD live for a third time, in Bonn this time. I was very happy to be in the front row. It was nice to be able to see the crew communicating with each other and the fun they have playing together. And especially seeing Donald perform just a few meters away was great. He is one piece of musical energy exploding behind the keyboard.
Someone wrote the Brussels concert was better but I disagree! The sound in Bonn was better (I also was at the Brussels concert). But most pleasant was the Bonn concert was open air and without seats. And I don’t like tight placed theater seats as they are preventing you to move your body and dance!
Chain lightning and dirty work where most exciting to me. Chain lightning as it was in a new, somewhat strange, but nice new arrangement. In the beginning it was confusing but later on it excited me. Dirty work as it gave space to Cindy and Carolyn to show their very good skills.
I am still very curious what little joke was going on around Cindy and Carolyn. Just before the gig started one of the roadies taped a message on the floor at, I believe it was, Carolyn’s microphone stand. The whole crew was very amused, as Cindy and Carolyn when noticing the message. But I am afraid I’ll never know what happened… Speaking about the ladies. Cindy stole the heart of my eleven year old son, who joined me at the concert. She several times flirted with him and wove him a kiss when leaving the podium after the final song.
I really hope there ever will be a live cd covering D&W touring with this band. As it is the best band they ever had!
For nice pics made at the Bonn concert see: http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/index.php?k=frei&itemid=10222&bilderKatid=2135
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 15:39:21 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Our boys are all about the girls
http://flickr.com/photos/danagraves/402152559/
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 14:59:53 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Just wanted to pass along a recommendation to Dan fans looking for new music - his name is Travis Morrison, and he used to front the only band that I listen to as much as I listen to Steely Dan, the Dismemberment Plan. Now he's out on his own and he's putting out his second solo album called All Y'all. Terrible title but the tunes are great, you can listen to them on travismorrison.com. So far I'm really digging "I'm Not Supposed To Like You (But I Do)."
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 11:22:47 ET
Posted by: LisaG, ?
What the hell was that last post?
It was like reading a computer translation of something.
(Well, I'm thinking now..."duh, it absolutely is...")
Anyway, I had no idea that Tom Barney once served as music director. I reallly enjoyed his playing, but it's interesting to note that he had other roles as well.
Steve Rodby is a producer for PMG--another quiet genius who multi-tasks. Who woulda thunk?
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 09:50:17 ET
Posted by: Ark, really submarine, Ringo
"It gives served draws itself nothing new in the pop music" the unmistakable Sound of Steely out of through timeless pop melody with jazzigen arrangements, unusual harmonies, surprising speed change. Now the legend comes into Switzerland. Donald swept and are served Walter Becker Steely. The two Americans count as one of the Most innovative song clerk teams of all times, in the baggage Evergreens as well as "Do it again", "Rikki, served' t loose that number" and "Reeling in the years". A conversation with Donald swept: Singer, Keyboarder and honor doctor of the Berklee College of Music.
With Steely have served you in the 70ern and 80ern only rarely live played. This tour is however your previously largest. From where the late desire on live-shows? Donald swept: The conditions were earlier worse for us: We had to appear before Heavy-Metal-volume and had to sleep in bad hotel. Today is to the good fortune of all differently. Walter and I assembled a couple of musician magnificent around us. That is fun correctly.
The last year's tour was dedicated Steelyard "Sugertooth" McDan, to an inventor of the blues. This year reads the motto of "Heavy scooter". Do you give this time above all well known material to the best? Originally we had also new things in the program. That changed in the course of the tour so that we play in the mean time many titles of the old albums, that especially like the fans. We permit ourselves, who to itemize songs in newly arranged versions. The focal point lies at the same time however not unconditionally on the largest hit.
They are with a zehnköpfigen mini-orchestra underway. Do you feel more of the classical period accompanying than the pop music? We are a jazz-Tentett that plays also Rhythm & blues. Entirely in the sense of Charles Mingus.
Jazz an important influence was served always for Steely. Why did you become actually no jazz musicians? In young years, Walter were and I large jazz fans. It gave end of the 60er-Jahre moreover some very interesting blues and Country-blues-scene, especially in Memphis and Chicago. We loved Muddy Waters and B. B. King. But we heard also Soul. Steely served was the idea to combine jazz harmonies with the Big Beat of the Rhythm & blues.
What remained of the free and experimental spirit of the 60er remaining? At that time it went above all therefore to bring together things out of different areas. One named that then postmodernly. Steely served belong actually no longer to the Sechzigern, we began 1972. Before That we went on the College and heard disks of Albert Ayler, Sonny Rollins, limped Mobley and John Coltrane. We are rather conservative jazz fans.
They said once, had given it in the last three decades no new music. Do you believe that really? Since 1970 I heard nothing substantial new within the pop music more. With exception of the Reggae, that I found very interesting. The last album that really cwas down me comes quaked of Marley & The Wailers. Otherwise are played for 40 years the same rhythms and harmonies. Nevertheless it gives also today good singers and per form. Sometimes you let sing also other people your songs. How is that in the new tour? One sings Walter, another our Backgroundsängerinnen. Titles are that of our first album, that were not sung in the original by me, but rather by Dave Palmer. We were last year with our old friend Michael McDonald underway. It belonged served earlier to the firm occupation of Steely, went later it to the Doobie Brother
In September your three solo albums in a special CD-box appear. One can load himself all songs as a ringtone on the mobile phone. Do you become another commercial artist on your old days? One said to me that one wants to offer these ringtones. I cannot imagine however in the best will why people should make that. That is me anyway equal. The actually interesting at this box is the bonus material: Videos, live-pieces, demoes out of the 80ern and 90ern and Filmmusiken, that never appeared on disk. Moreover the new tie-in appears briefly: "The best of Steely served: The millennium Collection". Unfortunately without Extras. Walter and I everything deleted always, what did not please us. We are hold perfectionists.
And when does it give served a correct new Steely--album? We already spoke about that. I work at my next solo disk. The collaboration with Walter is very special. We put together ourselves and tell ourselves jokes. Sometime a song develops from that.
Walter Becker and you developed in the course of the years a collective personality, from whose viewpoint the Steely-served told become-songs. So it is. The Steely-served is-character a complicated personality: It is a man who has no woman at its side. Therefore it can express things, that one would not say in present of a woman. It expresses sometimes incredible things, that take place otherwise only in the subconscious. IINTERVIEW OLAF new man Steely served at the Blueballs festival
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 08:54:19 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, wearing a certain band t-shirt, that in the end will have to go - like everything else, I'm afraid
TJ and Wise:
Yes, and like Larry Carlton before that. As explained in the "Making of Aja" documentary. Dan on!
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 07:18:40 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
And may I also add that DF means Donald Fagen...
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 07:17:39 ET
Posted by: I'll beg , if you want.
Message for Donald: If you really are working on a new album, please, please, please try going back to your “lets use lots of different crack musos until we get it just right” technique. Particularly guitarists and drummers...Please!
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 06:58:45 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thanks Dirk. And may I add, that it's Donald saying he's working on his next soloalbum.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 05:52:15 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Duesseldorf / Germany
Excerpts from an interview with DF in Swiss newspaper
"Thurgauer Zeitung"
"The last album that really knocked my off my feet was
a Bob Marley & the Wailers album."
"When will there be a new SD album ?"
"We've already talked about that. I'm working on a new
solo album"
http://www.thurgauerzeitung.ch/default2.cfm?vDest=vtArtikel&id=340559&b1=steely&o1=&b2=&o2=&b3=&re=&ra=AM&da=&startrow=1
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 05:45:23 ET
Posted by: Flake, FlakeFlakeFlake
Hey Gretch.Flake! Flake! ........ 2 days out in California you hit the 10 East for home.
They don't do no good
They never be workin'
When they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin' mine
California's got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
They got the Flakes
Flakes! Flakes!
They can't fix yer brakes
You ask 'em, "Where's my motor?"
"Well it was eaten by snakes . . ."
You can stab 'n' shoot 'n' spit
But they won't be fixin' it
They're lyin' an' lazy
They can be drivin' you crazy
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
[Take it away, Bob. . .]
I asked as nice as I could
If my job would
Somehow be finished by Friday
Well, the whole damn weekend
Came 'n' went, Frankie
[Wanna buy some mandies, Bob?]
'N'they didn't do nothin'
But they charged me double for Sunday
You know, no matter what you do
They gonna cheat 'n' rob you
Then they'll send you a bill
That'll get your senses reelin'
And if you do not pay
They got computer collectors
That'll get you so crazy
Til your head'll go through th' ceilin'
Yes it will!
I'm a moron 'n' this is my wife
She's frosting a cake
With a paper knife
All what we got here's
American made
It's a little bit cheesey,
But it's nicely displayed
Well we don't get excited when it
Crumbles 'n' breaks
We just get on the phone
And call up some Flakes
They rush on over
'N' wreck it some more
'N' we are so dumb
They're linin' up at our door
Well, the toilet went crazy
Yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says
"Never flush a lampoon!"
This great information
Cost me half a week's pay
And the toilet blew up
Later on the next day ay-eee-ay
Blew up the next day WOO-OOO
We are millions 'n' millions
We're coming to get you
We're protected by unions
So don't let it upset you
Can't escape the conclusion
It's probably God's Will
That civilization
Will grind to a standstill
And we are the people
Who will make it all happen
While yer children is sleepin',
Yer puppy is crappin'
You might call us Flakes
Or something else you might coin us
But we know you're so greedy
That you'll probably join us
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
It's all so f'n true!!
Smoke on the Water.....a guilty pleasure of mind, a definitive song for the 70's, I like the live version best.
G
Date: Sat, July 28, 2007, 02:51:08 ET
Posted by: Wise, ass
TJ - Yes, and what Drew Zingg, Tom Barney and John Beasley use to do as well.
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 17:54:17 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Wise, yep thats waht he said. Guess it means Herington's been responsible for rehearsing and making copies of arrangements etc. - like Warren Bernhardt use to do.
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 17:23:09 ET
Posted by: Are you with me Dr. Wu, In Front of Your Tongue, Boarsass Wash.
(07-27) 08:07 PDT Olympia, Wash. (AP) --
An oral surgeon who temporarily implanted fake boar tusks in his assistant's mouth as a practical joke and got sued for it has gotten the state's high court to back up his gag.
Dr. Robert Woo of Auburn had put in the phony tusks while the woman was under anesthesia for a different procedure. He took them out before she awoke, but he first shot photos that eventually made it around the office.
The employee, Tina Alberts, felt so humiliated when she saw the pictures that she quit and sued her boss.
Woo's insurance company, Fireman's Fund, refused to cover the claim, saying the practical joke was intentional and not a normal business activity his insurance policy covered, so Woo settled out of court. He agreed to pay Alberts $250,000, then he sued his insurers.
A King County Superior Court jury sided with Woo, ordering Fireman's Fund to pay him $750,000, plus the out-of-court settlement. The insurance company won the next round, with the state Court of Appeals saying the prank had nothing to do with Woo's practice of dentistry. On Thursday, the state Supreme Court restored Woo's award.
In a sprightly 5-4 decision, Supreme Court Justice Mary Fairhurst wrote that Woo's practical joke was an integral, if odd, part of the assistant's dental surgery and "conceivably" should trigger the professional liability coverage of his policy.
Dissenting Justice James Johnson said the prank wasn't a dental procedure at all and only "rewards Dr. Woo's obnoxious behavior and allows him to profit handsomely."
The back story, the court wrote, is that Alberts' family raises potbellied pigs and that she frequently talked about them at the office where she worked for five years.
Woo said his jests about the pigs were part of "a friendly working environment" that he tried to foster.
The oral surgery on Alberts was intended to replace two of her teeth with implants, which Woo did. First, though, he installed temporary bridges that he had shaped to look like boar tusks, and while Alberts was still under anesthesia, he took photos, some with her eyes propped open. Before she woke up, he removed the "tusks" and put in the proper replacement teeth.
Woo says he didn't personally show her the pictures but staffers gave her copies at a birthday party.
Woo's lawyer, Richard Kilpatrick, described the surgeon as a kindhearted, fun-loving man who was chagrined that an office prank turned out so badly. He was delighted with the high court's decision, Kilpatrick said.
Attorneys for the insurance company did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 17:19:49 ET
Posted by: Wise, ass
TJ - It might have been at one of the shows when Walter was introducing the band and said:
"and please welcome from NYC our musical director: Mr. Jon Herington"
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 14:50:28 ET
Posted by: pagoda of funn, the netherlands
I have just returned from the Bonn concert and although the musicians played very good, this show was not as good as the shows in Brussel and Berlin. Donald's voice was a little hoarse (will he be able to do the shows in the far east and down under?) and Walter didn't make any specific comments (in Brussel he was talking about the Belgian Bier, and in Berlin he quoted in a funny way JFK 'ich bin ein jellybean' (or something like that) and talked about the Deutsch mark etc. And what happened with Walter's singing? No Haitian Divorce! My personal favorite. Do they do to many dates?
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 14:41:17 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Hey, did you know that Jon Herington is musical director at the tour this year?
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 11:15:54 ET
Posted by: Time Zone Temptress,
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Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 10:42:11 ET
Posted by: hoops to Steve DeRose, chicagoan to chicagoan
[ Sorry folks, hate to post this stuff but I can't communicate to Steve in any other way it seems. Folks: Keep the following example in mind in the future if you don't hear from someone.]
Steve aka "Pudgy":
I *have* been attempting to contact you but your mail filters are apparently set too stringently--see below [ I replaced "@" with "at", etc. in the following message. ] See what you can do or email me privately your phone number. I CAN receive email from you bujt you can't get mine right now.
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Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 10:38:12 ET
Posted by: E' lera del terzo mondo, Italia , Lucca Bound
Due to unforseen last minute circumstances, two of my friends are unable to travel to Lucca for the gig.
Therefore I have two spare tickets.
If anybody is interested , please get in touch.
Roberto
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 09:56:43 ET
Posted by: jazzassin, At the Grotto, in the greasy chair. With lotion, kinky hair 'n everything...
ReiS:
You told us about your lucky flight from Stockholm to Molde with the band. Two things seems utmost unfair to me. First: I was not at that plain. That's unfair, indeed. Second, it's these low standards that have come to terms with through your post. I mean, you tell us that while the band flew an ordinary McDonnell-Douglas machine or similar - which are perfectly good aircrafts, Don and Walt were using a private jet for transportation. A private jet?? What IS THIS CRAP?? Not that the band don't deserve a private jet as well, but more important, Don and Walt should have spacecrafts! No less!! What the f***k happened to civilization? Private jet, tsk, tsk. It's a shame. Any world that I'm welcome to and so on...
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 08:24:57 ET
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Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 04:40:27 ET
Posted by: E' lera del terzo mondo, Italia
Deacon and Lonnie and all other Lucca bound Danites,,
mail me if you would like to contact meet up in Lucca..
Roberto
Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 02:10:09 ET
Posted by: Pudgy M, Chicago, IL. [U.S.A.]
Hello, everybody. No, it is not all about me. I am having some sort of snag with sending and receiving the Dandom Digest. I've been on it for a long, long time. But I haven't received any digests since April. My direct E-Mails to "Hoops" have gone unanswered. My true E-Mail address is a particular one {The one listed above will forward a specified number of E-Mails to me, greatly limiting its use for spammers.}, so I wonder if Hoops managed to put my domain name on the _wrong_ filter list.
The reason why this is important is that I want to inquire if anybody _else_ here is going to Japan, and specifically Tokyo, for the Dan's shows on 18 - 24 August? I found an airfare of $650 (+ $271 taxes) from several cities in the midwest U.S.A. to Tokyo Narita [ORD-NRT] if you depart on a Monday-Thursday, and stay at least four days. But I or you have to book by 30 July. I have been to Tokyo twice. I have a good map which indicates where in Roppongi is the venue, and I know a little about the neighborhood. So if somebody wanted to have a DanFest there, I have suggestions.
This would be very good to circulate on a E-Mail list, but I can't get a message through. This would be o.k. to disseminate in a chatroom, but nobody seems to go there. So I'm down to the third option: This guestbook.
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Date: Fri, July 27, 2007, 00:16:49 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger , moon
ok. zappa was a god. some times you had to wade through some crap but. . . . .
can't believe steely fans don't know his work - what a wierd bunch.
how about when sd opened for frank in KC in 72 and they did all those unreleased tunes megashine city etc . .
go checkout "best band you never heard of in your life." and bee cool.
and you'll say, frank "now that i found you" i'll dig ya forever!
off topic. get last of the independants by the pretenders too.
yours,
papplbon
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Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 18:08:32 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, still in Brussels
Finally we're so far.
The ultimate preparations are done. I'm finishing my cup of Verdichio wine and going to sleep. Tomorrow i'll catch my plane to Pisa where i will arrive aproximatively at noon and from there i'm going to Lucca.That will be the last point of the European leg of the Steely Dan tour. I'm considering Lucca as the summerhighlight this year. Maybe a improvised Danfest should be possible?
Lonnie, Roberto and all the other Danners, here i'm coming!!
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 17:05:28 ET
Posted by: Mike F., NYC
Mr. A. Jemima, I couldn't agree more about Almost Gothic. My favorite track these days.
Unless I'm totally wrong.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 14:52:10 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
No, Scott Mervis, who covers the rock/pop beat. Tony Norman has been a political/social issues columnist for the P-G for some years after a stint as music reviewer, and yes, he loves Steely Dan. I've known them both for many years. Good guys.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 12:49:44 ET
Posted by: Steve, Tampa , FL
Bill - By any chance is the name of that features editor Tony Norman?
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 10:34:07 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Headline today in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette of an article about a gathering of Harry Potter fanatics awaiting the release of the last book: "Countdown to Ecstasy". The piece was written by a teenage HP enthusiast.
I know the features editor and he is a fan of SD, so I suspect this headline was his doing.
As us old Deadheads say, "in the strangest of places..."
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 07:47:04 ET
Posted by: bobbo, under the Zappa gun....
Y'know,
I still bear a grudge against Zappa for that "Bobby Brown" song...and my parents, who were too countrified to know that you NEVER name a boychild Bobby Brown, even if he DID come out of the womb singing...selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 07:37:10 ET
Posted by: West of Philly ,
DK:
For Jazz Ensemble Zappa, I particularly liked Grand Wazoo and Waka/Jawaka.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 06:06:49 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Mmmm.... thanks all of you.
Guess a more specifik question would be, did Zappa releas any albums similar til the Dan?
Why aren't we all listening to Zappa. What's the difference between the two?
I'm considering buying Hot Rats which is described as a jazz-rock classic..
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 02:40:47 ET
Posted by: last night,
show was red hot, band was supertight. D&W tired? What are you talking about, there were highly motivated and amazed by the response and applause.
even the girls were really flattered. sound was good as well.
Becker does solo more now + it.s fine with me.
Herrington plays a lot more chords and less scales as well.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2007, 02:33:49 ET
Posted by: Celluloid Biker, Herenthout ,Belgium
Museumplatz Bonn, 25 07 07
(Semi) Open air show
Setlist
Jeri (band)
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker (wow!)
Bad Sneakers
2 Against Nature
Hey Nineteen
Peg
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Chain Lightning
I Got The News
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encore
Bodhisattva
My Old School
Caroline (band)
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 22:58:57 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
This is hilarious. Scroll about a third of the way down and read the "Steely Danned" review!
http://davehilljournal.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 22:05:38 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Inside mein Kopf, aber outside mein Schwanz
Gretchen und Rajah:
I agree to SpotOn's advice that you should keep at it, except I rarely blush. However, I suspect there's an underlying reason for you to share your very sweet and charming conversation with us all. It takes no Einstein to see the connection here. Your mentioning of visiting Iceland and Norway for a birthday trip (and for god's sake NOT in February, you flagellants) is of course a poorly hidden hint - no, more than that, its a shameless demand for a local voluntary to connect with for guidance, supplies, emergency therapy or whatever. If Oslo should eventually make it to the final touring list, I will be pleased to assist in making your stay a memorable success! So let me know if theres anything... Und Kopf im Schwanz man kann auch im Norwegen schticken, du weisst ja?
TJ:
I must advice you NOT to take one step closer to Zappaland, as it is a huge world that wery well could be impossible to ever find your way out of. A lifetime study, and very addictive - there are tons of documented cases. If you, despite this warning, choose to move on, I agree to Santa's point. You could start anywhere. If I may come up with a personal favorite though, it must be Roxy & Elsewhere. Double live album from -74, which i find very representative for the best ingredients in Zappas music from that period. One of my absolute favorite records whatsoever. Have fun!
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 21:34:17 ET
Posted by: Billy Reuben, Son of "Rube E. Baby" !
According to my close friend "Reuben Cornfield" this is actually NOT a picture of Donald Fagen at all!
http://lauralevine.com/photography/gallery/fagen.php
It's actually a picture of RC's long lost stepbrother "REUBEN HEDGEROW". Mr. Hedgerow hasn't spoken a word since he was injured in a ruby mine accident back in 1976. Every morning since then, the entire CORNFIELD family has placed him on his favorite bench facing the sun and fed him yogurt hoping that his brain would grow back. So far the results have been... uh... pending. If anyone would like to donate to Mr. REUBEN HEDGEROW's upkeep they may do so by forwarding all correspondence to;
Reuben Cornfield
666 Madison Avenue
Ellie Mae, Illinois 60609
Thank You, and please keep him in your prayers...
Billy Reuben
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 20:41:04 ET
Posted by: D, Lee Stan, Chicago time
I'm such a drag having missed the last two Steely shows.
I'm not sure why,...mostly it's bad timing, or like a shortage of cash and bubble gum. Tears in my pillow.
I thought it was time to post this (even though it's already too late), when I saw our impeccable host on the 5 o'clock news kicking Macy's when they're down. If you're not going to kick your opponent when he's down, when ARE you going to kick him?? Good luck JMK.
I think Macy's should be run out on a rail too, based on their short track record, though I loved Macy's in Time Squares NY.
Fans, please give these loops a spin
They're rather low fi so play 'em loud
and figure they were composed asking WWSDD?
Example Composite Blue is primitive, but was
going for that kind of Glamour Profession dankness. Questions. Comments? Interested Producers named Don or Walt?
http://www.myspace.com/mikestefani3
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 20:11:22 ET
Posted by: LisaG, oh my
Heads up asses? Please don't send pics.
P.S. I want to go to Iceland, too. :-P
Dirk, glad to hear they played Chain. Awesome. But sorry to hear of the possible fatigue. All that traveling and performing HAS to catch up with people at some point. Speaking of...I need a vacation.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 19:48:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah, unscooping head from anus
Kerploop!
OK, Iceland in February?
Maybe we need to re-evaluate whose head is up whose anus...
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 19:43:29 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, I give up
Of course no Iceland in August. That would defeat the whole purpose. My birthday is in February, I want the full Icelandic experience. Brrrrrr......Get your head out of your a**!
G
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 19:39:55 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Duesseldorf
Funny little analysis of "Reelin in the years" for those of you who speak German :
http://www.radioeins.de/_/beitrag_jsp/key=beitrag_198725.html
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 19:14:35 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Duesseldorf
No Haitian Divorce in Bonn, but they played a nice swinging arrangement of Chain Lightning. Sound was poor. Donald and Walter seemed a little bit tired, Donalds voice was not the strongest.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 18:42:23 ET
Posted by: Carl Jung, oh mien Gott
Lizen you two, life she isht unt terrible bitch. Many many questions, very few answers. Train wreck love affairs, the bescht koupole I've ever treated were dead old hulkes. Keep at it, try to be kind unt underschant each others foibles and weaknesses. People are not perfkect, lovers even more so.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 18:27:55 ET
Posted by: Ziggy,
Blushin my azzen, it's killink me!!!!!!
Calling Dr. Jung...
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 18:15:29 ET
Posted by: Spot On, in the UK
Spot on with Randy Newman.
One blushes a bit with the goings on between Gretchen and Rajah. Keep at it.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 18:03:01 ET
Posted by: Emmanuel Kant, in your mind
Okay, it's not comic rock and roll, but it's comic, and worthy: Randy Newman.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 18:01:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yah, I mean, yeah, excuzin but I've heard that Kom-on before. Vhat kind of chump do you take me for? I meant what. No...no, don't anzwer dat, I mean, that. Reykjavik in August? Vell, no, well, I suppose all the ice sculptures are melted by then...
Then again, vhat, I mean what, kind of perzon in their right mind would prefer Reykjavik in August to Pescara and the isle of Tremiti?
Helga is paging me...
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 17:44:47 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
OK, my skittish one, since you like Scandinavia so much, you'll indulge with me in a trip to Iceland and Norway for my birthday. It's a major one, you know. No holds barred.
G
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 17:32:14 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, I make it 3 to 1 chance
Yah, Herr Rajah, normalzy...let me tink vhat isht dat? Kan't really remember, it must be zomewhere here in my notes. Anyway goot luck, don't exscpetcht derr miralcles. Juscht try to hold on dear boy.
Next patient, Helga!
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 17:18:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah, here's my story
Jazzassin - I've met very few sane Scandanavians, they've all been fun, especially Helga back in 72.
So you like your Zappa, my insane DAR Lithuanian beauty? Remember this one?
Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-yah!
Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-yah!
Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-yah!
Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-yah!
Primer mi carucha (Chevy '39)
Going to El Monte Legion Stadium
Pick up on my Weesa (she is so divine)
Helps me stealing hub caps
Wasted all the time
Fuzzy Dice
(Fuzzy Dice . . . )
Bongos in the back
My ship of love
(My ship of love . . . )
Is ready to attack
Gretchen darling, look, we really have to make an effort to be normal. Frankly, I don't like our chances but we have to give it the old college try for the folks and the children.
Paging Dr. Freud...
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 16:56:45 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, lost my mind.....
I love any excuse to bring up Zappa. This is one of my favorites:
Flakes! Flakes!
They don't do no good
They never be workin'
When they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin' mine
California's got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
They got the Flakes
Flakes! Flakes!
They can't fix yer brakes
You ask 'em, "Where's my motor?"
"Well it was eaten by snakes . . ."
You can stab 'n' shoot 'n' spit
But they won't be fixin' it
They're lyin' an' lazy
They can be drivin' you crazy
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
[Take it away, Bob. . .]
I asked as nice as I could
If my job would
Somehow be finished by Friday
Well, the whole damn weekend
Came 'n' went, Frankie
[Wanna buy some mandies, Bob?]
'N'they didn't do nothin'
But they charged me double for Sunday
You know, no matter what you do
They gonna cheat 'n' rob you
Then they'll send you a bill
That'll get your senses reelin'
And if you do not pay
They got computer collectors
That'll get you so crazy
Til your head'll go through th' ceilin'
Yes it will!
I'm a moron 'n' this is my wife
She's frosting a cake
With a paper knife
All what we got here's
American made
It's a little bit cheesey,
But it's nicely displayed
Well we don't get excited when it
Crumbles 'n' breaks
We just get on the phone
And call up some Flakes
They rush on over
'N' wreck it some more
'N' we are so dumb
They're linin' up at our door
Well, the toilet went crazy
Yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says
"Never flush a lampoon!"
This great information
Cost me half a week's pay
And the toilet blew up
Later on the next day ay-eee-ay
Blew up the next day WOO-OOO
We are millions 'n' millions
We're coming to get you
We're protected by unions
So don't let it upset you
Can't escape the conclusion
It's probably God's Will
That civilization
Will grind to a standstill
And we are the people
Who will make it all happen
While yer children is sleepin',
Yer puppy is crappin'
You might call us Flakes
Or something else you might coin us
But we know you're so greedy
That you'll probably join us
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
It's all so f'n true!!
Smoke on the Water.....a guilty pleasure of mind, a definitive song for the 70's, I like the live version best.
G
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 15:36:30 ET
Posted by: ps, ...
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<<What else besides science fiction?>>
When Walter and I met, we had a constellation of enthusiasms, really—science fiction, jazz, black humor, novels by Thomas Berger, Terry Southern, Philip Roth, Vladimir Nabokov, Kurt Vonnegut especially. That certainly influenced the lyric writing. We also liked comic songwriting, like Tom Lehrer. He was a piano player and songwriter who wrote these grim, funny songs. And then we were both fans of Frank Zappa and the Fugs.
<<You once said Zappa was the only model for the comedy of Steely Dan.>>
The only comic rock and roll I remember was Frank Zappa, really. The Fugs were comic also, but their music was so primitive. I remember the Fugs used to play free in Tompkins Square Park in the sixties, and at one point they were really the kings of the Lower East Side.
-----
click
http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/profiles/16453/
for full article/Donal Fagen
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 15:33:14 ET
Posted by: Santa's lil helper, here
http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/
TJ< you don't have to stray far from home, happens so there's this cute radiostation in Umea Sweden and they know all about the Frank Zappa/Steely Dan connection. Tune in to their shows and take it from there. No rule in how what which when it comes to starting up with FZ. You just dive in and see where it takes ya...
Know the Smoke on the Water song by Deep Purple? It's about DP going to see FZ. But then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MSyFA84u48
We all came out to Montreux
On the Lake Geneva shoreline
To make records with a mobile
We didnt have much time
Frank Zappa and the Mothers
Were at the best place around
But some stupid with a flare gun
Burned the place to the ground
Smoke on the water, fire in the sky
They burned down the gambling house
It died with an awful sound
Funky Claude was running in and out
Pulling kids out the ground
When it all was over
We had to find another place
But Swiss time was running out
It seemed that we would lose the race
Smoke on the water, fire in the sky
We ended up at the grand hotel
It was empty cold and bare
But with the Rolling truck Stones thing just outside
Making our music there
With a few red lights and a few old beds
We make a place to sweat
No matter what we get out of this
I know well never forget
Smoke on the water, fire in the sky
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 15:06:14 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I played some Steely Dan for one of my co-workers today who immediately responded: Don't you listen to Frank Zappa if you like this?
I don't! Infact I don't know a single song by Zappa. So the questions arise:
Does he have a point. Is there a resemblance?
And if the answers is no, is Frank Zappa any good and where do one start then?
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 14:22:21 ET
Posted by: Raven, laptop treetop
Thx, Reis for your good post.
Thx for update, Lars: Did the crowd dig Two Against Nature? Wish we could have made the trek. Maybe later. Ravin'
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 10:28:12 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, HIGH IN THE C(L)USTERDOME
Rajah:
Marvelously insane, yes indeed. But it's not fair to put all Scan-Dan-Avian eggheads in one basket. That I'm a lost case doesn't mean all the others are. I'm pretty damn sure I met a fan once, that was reasonably well adapted, just can't remember where. Probably in Scandinavia somewhere, at least I'm sure it was not in the US. Apart from that, it's nice to have my state confirmed by an expert. Thanks, man! Oh, and btw I will undoubtly come up with some additional symptoms of my diagnosis in the future, as I find this writing group therapy at the BlueClinic to be the best pain relief. At least amongst the free alternatives, as I belong to those who have other priorities than to spend it all on the real thing. Thanks again.
Damn, these straps are tight!
PS! Now I remember. It was in Sweden. But the guy was utterly boring, and his wheelchair didn't do more than 3 1/2 mph.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 04:57:27 ET
Posted by: E' lera del terzo mondo, Italia
Lonnie,
here's a link to an aerial photograph of Lucca an Piazza Napoleone where the Band will playing...
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.840014~10.498971&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=10612117&sp=Point.r96tyqhw6ws7_Rest%20in%20Lucca%2C%20B%26B___~Point.r9643hhw7nh6_Piazza%20Napoleone%2C%2055100%20Lucca%20LU%2C%20Italia___~Point.r95n59hw7ytn_Stazione%20Lucca___&encType=1
Hope you have a good time there..I'll be in row 7, seats anywhere between 1 and 4..
enjoy the show
Roberto
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 04:44:32 ET
Posted by: ReiS, Vadsoe, Norway
I did get some pictures, but to my horror most of them turned out to be very dark! You can hardly see anything. Bloody Mobilephone!!
The Band told me that they had enjoyed the tour in Europe very much so far, they had met nice people all the way. As for the music they said that it was a good mix of tunes and that they didn't change the set list very much. I told them that even though I like the "old" tunes I had expected a bit more from the two last albums and some of them agreed that they maybe should play more of the new stuff, but as ML said most of the people that come to see us are born and raised with the "old" stuff and thats really what they want to hear.
Two quotes from WB when introdusing the band and CLE an CM, in Stockholm: Taking two beautiful girls to Stockholm is like bringing your wife to the Phillipines!!! and in Molde: Taking two beautiful girls to Scandinavia is like taking coal to Newcastle!!
Has he said different things all over Europe?? I think he has.
And for you who has not seen this setup of Steely Dan yet, it's a thight group and a joy to watch, just wait until you experience Keith Carlock!!!
Date: Wed, July 25, 2007, 04:01:18 ET
Posted by: Ezra Hound, Cafe Malebolgia
Babylon Schwesters is phunn for about the first minute. Then it starts to sound a bit like Herb Alpert on some way cut-down coke. Come to think of it, so does 90% of SD's product (well, when the boyz paid off Tom Scott, it was almost a big band). PLay like "Schwingin' at the Savoy" already hepsters, if ya can , that izz
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 22:44:54 ET
Posted by: shark deville, fl room
ReiS-
that's is very cool.
we'd love to hear anything the band had to say about D&W, touring, the music... whatever!
did you get any photos?
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 22:02:42 ET
Posted by: Clem Snide,
Maybe during the Intro to DooWop-Sattva, someday, between some Cuervo Gold and chronic sales pitch, Donny F. will offer thanks "to the memory of that dead old queeeer, William S. Burroughs, for letting us rip off his novel Naked Lunch for decades." Ca--ching................
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 20:38:13 ET
Posted by: Ezra Hound,
Arf arf. Who in the F. poured that smooth retsina? Je nay say kwah.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 20:29:44 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Just read the Dandom Digest - a few comments...
Bill O., Paris: what a great comparison, Neg Girl and Mercy St.
They are both gems in a quiet, understated way.
Rolf Schade: an enjoyable read - your Dr. Walt section was right
on the money, IMHO.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 19:44:48 ET
Posted by: Mario, USA
Hutch - That picture is on the slide show of the Kama 5.1 DVD. It also was in a ton of magazines around the time the recoed came out back in 1993. It was taken at his home in Woodstock.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 19:42:20 ET
Posted by: E. Pound,
Ezra is NOT my great-grand nephew!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 19:40:51 ET
Posted by: N. Zacour,
Watch out: Ezra claims to be the new leader of the Children's Crusade!
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 19:39:11 ET
Posted by: N. Zacour,
Watch out: Ezra claims to be tne new leaderof the Children's Crusade!
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 19:36:32 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
These search engines can somehow read your mind. Can't think how many times I've typed "Donald Fagen photos" or "Walter Becker photos", etc. to find something to put on the old desktop background. Mostly found a lot of the same stuff everytime. So tonight on a whim I type "great photos of Donald Fagen" and found this. I've never seen this one before. Apparently it was taken while filming the little documentary on Kama that we'll be seeing whenever the Nightfly Trilogy finally comes out.
http://lauralevine.com/photography/gallery/fagen.php
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 16:07:47 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the kingpin, Italia
Hello all,
I am at an internet cafe in Venice. Cannot wait for the Dan in Lucca. Weather is great here. Will there be an opening act? Should be interesting. Last show in Europe will be awesome . . . and in a place they have never played before.
Ciao for now.
Lonnie
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 14:03:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You Scandanvians, or maybe Dan-Scan-Dan-Avians are marvelously insane. Prosit, carisssimi...
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 12:40:33 ET
Posted by: Lars, Sweden
Copenhagen concert...
Very good concert in Copenhagen. The venue this time was Falconer which is a fair arena compared to Valby 6 or 7 years ago (soundwise that's a terrible place).
The guys did a "rock concert"; mostly guitarbased songs and not much of what the euro-audience was expected. Since the hits are few in euro, most people who are attending concerts here (I think)likes the more elaborated works like Aja (the only one they played) The concert was very good, of course, but...
The supporting act - Sam Yahel trio- was great.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 10:17:47 ET
Posted by: Raven, laptop treetop
Who gives a fuck about the porn monger Ezra or the drivel of a cowardly, disrespectful, officious, drunk troll? : >
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 07:31:54 ET
Posted by: duncan,
Nice one Reis
Date: Tues, July 24, 2007, 04:23:12 ET
Posted by: ReiS, Vadsoe, Norway
Hello everyone, this is my first post here.
Just want to tell you all about my experience during the two shows in Stockholm and Molde.
The show in Stockholm was spioled a little by the bad weather, but for a true Dan-head just seeing the guys again was a pleasure.
But the real highlight on my travels was that I was able to trawel with the band from Stockholm via Oslo to Molde. They were on the same plane as I was from Stockholm. They were all so nice and answered all my questions, and I also got all their autographs. Even a very nice hug from Carolyn when I told here I got her albums!!
W and D were not there, the flew a private jet.
The consert in Molde was 10 times better than in Stockholm. The sound was much better and "JR" soundengener told me afterwards that this was as good as they could do in open air concerts.
I just hope this isn't the last time we will have the oppertunety to see Steely Dan i Scandinavia, they are more than welcome back.
The autographs and pictures is already in a frame on my livingroom wall.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 23:36:38 ET
Posted by: Mario,
Rajah - Have fun in Lucca!
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 22:48:14 ET
Posted by: Ironic tangents,
Jeri is the inspiration for the theme to the Price is Right.
Steely Dan opens their show with Jeri
Drew Carey is a noted Steely Dan fan.
Drew Carey is the new host of The Price is Right.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 20:55:53 ET
Posted by: G, Sand,
Yeah, Ezra can "shtick it" this year.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 20:54:18 ET
Posted by: Clevon L'il,
Ezra is a spoiled brat.
He gets nothing from me this year.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 20:54:09 ET
Posted by: Perezoso,
WB and DF should can Carolyn and the gals(--or maybe just put up poles). Come to think of it, WB should replace DF with Ted Baker, and maybe kick Mr. Fagen upstairs to management, and yass, lyrical consultant. J-k. Sorta. And maybe sell t-shirts with the Dan's Fearless Deceased Leader (who dat? Uncle Bill Burroughs of course)on 'em, give the proceeds to starving artistes everywhere. And orchestrate Green Earrings, extend to like 30-40 minutes (replace the Aja cuts, say) . Plus pass some clean china white at concerts!. Yay. Keepin' it real.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 18:29:27 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Copenhagen - setlist
01 Jeri
02 Time Out Of Mind
03 Godwhacker
04 Bad Sneakers
05 Two Against Nature
06 Hey Nineteen
07 Haitian Divorce
08 Peg
09 Green Earrings
10 Bodhisattva
11 Dirty Work
12 Josie
13 I Got The News
14 Aja
15 Kid Charlemagne
Extra:
16 Pretzel Logic
17 My Old School
- Herington was absolutely amazing!! So was Jim Pugh.
- Donald lost his glasses doing his Ray Charles at the Rhodes. He was very absent-minded in his own charming way. Looked great in his long jacket. Sang perfect.
- Walter went on and on about the hot danish girls. Played some real great solos but Jon outshined him.
- The audience didn't even get op to My Old School. Sensed they enjoyed the show anyway.
- Goodnight...
Ps. Review here in danish: http://gaffa.dk/anmeldelser/view.php/mreview_id=34084
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 17:20:57 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey kids,
Classic Albums: Steely Dan's "Aja" is being shown tonight on VH1 Classic at 6pm EST. Woohoo!
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 16:09:39 ET
Posted by: Reuben Cornfield, hick from the sticks!
Greetings city people!
Today, EZRA TITUS has officially crossed over into over-40-ness! Me and Elsie the cow are plannin' a HUGE squaredance for the boy over at Sheriff Andy's barn! Y'all are welcome to come (if'n you brings some of them nice city MILF women with ya...)! Why me and Jim is processin' the corn squeeqin's right now! (Cept' Jim's been passed out by the silo for pretty near and hour now...) STILL, we're gonna be ready for this thing when the clock strikes 8! See ya there!
P.S.) Bin Laden's gonna jump out've a party cake!
Reuben Cornfield
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 14:56:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah, plunger theories
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 14:03:31 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Ann, hope you and your Dad are well out of harm's way from those floodwaters. Now they're saying this flooding is the worst in modern history! Fires in the US, floods overseas, can locusts be far behind?
G
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 13:55:59 ET
Posted by: mute education,
Sorry Rajah.
Babylon Sisters is a plunger, not a Harmon mute. There is no disputing this.
Big plungers for trombone, little plungers for trumpets.
Miles Davis was all Harmon mute, Cootie Williams was a plunger man.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 13:29:43 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo unsually but stuck in UK
Sorry to all those Blue Bookers that I promised the Liverpool Horse photos to. I was supposed to be back in my beloved Borneo on 18th July, but my old Dad has had a tumble so I'm staying on here in this drenched island to sort him out. Should be home by 2nd August. I'm not getting on the internet very often (no wireless in public places in these parts!), so I'm a bit out of touch with what's happening. However, someone in the BBC is a Dan fan as I've heard several Dan tunes as backgound music on some BBC produced TV programmes. It warms the cockles of my heart!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 13:19:28 ET
Posted by: LisaG, over a long time ago
Is anyone catching Metheny in Europe? Steve in Rochester? If so...color?
------------------
Dan Belcher--Sorry for the delay...I meant to respond to what you posted regarding the Rhodes stuff weeks ago.
Enjoyed your Josie vid...you are playing the fills. Yeah, the microphone doesn't pick up well enough to do the Rhodes justice. But I did click on the Black Cow mp3 link. Glorious tone color. I love that solo. I try to do my own when we play it, but I always find myself running back to some of the licks.
A couple of years ago I picked up a trade book called Steely Dan: Just the Riffs for Piano by David Pearl. It has pretty much all the cool piano/rhodes licks from SD's treasury (up to TvN) transcribed. The only thing I think is bad about it is that the author keeps on referring to these voicings as Donald's even though we know that many other keyboardists may have invented them. I can't imagine that DF gave them verbatim charts.
Enjoyed the youtube vid on adjustments, as well. I don't actually own the instrument, but it made sense to some degree. I wish I could see one up close and personal so these sorts of techniques could sink in a bit more. But I will not listen to a Rhodes in quite the same way again.
Thanks for the info.
:-)
P.S. You have very nice fingers.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 12:40:58 ET
Posted by: Jacquin Showfole, singing
But is she gothic?
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 11:37:22 ET
Posted by: katy tried,
i wouldnt be so quick to assume katy is a person...
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 10:48:48 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
Bobbo,
a part from the second verse in your post..I didn't understand a word you said..!!
Roberto
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 10:19:34 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, gone from Sunday School (I, um, graduated, y'know).
Hey Fellas,
As a matter of simply listening enough, I DID pick up the "...big red words from the little black book" as a double entendre on Mr. Jesus/"debts I'll never repay", but...
What about the "five names that I can hardly stand to hear" from "Bad Sneakers"? I haven't got any religious/spiritual subtext for that; I merely thought there were four relatively bad/intolerable (but oh so pretty, sure, and why not?) girls before Katie, who lied. Is there something more?
What a weird turn for the interpretive side of the Dan conversation to take: fresh in from Dodge City and an assessment of my company's handling of packaging of meat (to the tune of 800,000 head per quarter beginning in September) bound for the Far East--sorry my Hindu and Vegan brothers and sisters, whattayagonnado? And we're on Jesus. Again.
Quite the wide swath, we blessed unwashed take to "find that Road again." In-con-thee-vi-ble. And it sure is good to be home again... New York strips and jumbo Gulf shrimp on the smoker tonight! Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 09:09:21 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
I'm in Italy at present in anticipation of Lucca (Piazza Napoleone) gig.
(Don & Walter, if you're reading this: a request for Pretzel Logic (Piazza Napoleone - geddit?))
Two nights ago I had the pleasure of catching Billy Cobham and his band which included the leggendary Brian Auger on Hammond organ.
What an awesome dispaly of drumming and funk. At times I could swear he had dynamite in his two Bass Drums..!!! yet so subtle and "loose"..
Auger on the Hammond was amazing...
As the band was playing a small northern town, my companion and I had the pleasure of sharing the same restaurant has the band before the gig.
The italian organisers were a little up the own arse for us to be able to approach the table and where acting like they were cool. At a certain point they all left but Brian Auger stayed back and we saw our chance.
My companion and I asked if we could sit with him a while and he said sure. We had a drink together and a little chat. Brian was so accomadating and funny and even signed all my companions Brian Auger vinyls that my friend had gone to fetch from his car..
The gig was amazing and well recieved by the italian crowd.
there was a young italian girl on bass who just smiled all night and was incredibily good, interweaving and supporting the rythm and the grooves efforlessly..
Auger though was getting the biggest cheers of the night. He has a massive following here in Italy. His solos just got better and better all through the night. A mesmorising display of Hammondorganism!
Heres hoping for a great gig from the dudes in Lucca...
Roberto
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 09:01:35 ET
Posted by: wt, ~
"...guess you haven't really been to a good Church"
"Good Church"... isn't that an oxymoron?
no but gentleman's club is
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 08:59:47 ET
Posted by: wt, nola
warren said:
W&D shed a new light on that by throwing in parallelism to the rhetoric of intense religious fanaticism.
intense
religious
fanaticism
that's not pouncing on something?
foursquare church is none of those
that's why it's been quite popular - ask Rajah
take the name of a church
take a few biblical sayings
gospel time, amen corner
stir
add underbelly
best line in that song is
opposite of an ariel view
maybe I'll give you "I hear her rap and brother it's strong"
but little eva is a 60's locomotion
different decade
I could give a shit about someone elses 'research' and not mine
GOd are you that petty?
what's your take on Black Friday's "strike those big red words from the little black book?"
or Bad Sneakers "Five names that I can hardly stand to hear"?
do tell
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 08:44:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Marvin Stamm on that Great Pagoda solo rivals any Steely Dan horn player on record. It's taut, it's tense, it's full of emotion.
Plungers are for trombone players. The Harmon is for Babylon Sisters.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 07:36:07 ET
Posted by: artist_nine,
Can't see anyone mentioning about the Pori gig either (21.7.), so this will be my first post about my first Steely Dan gig ever.
Pori Jazz Festival - Pori, Finland
Intro
Time out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Bodhisattva
Aja
Kid C
Encores:
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Outro
Before the show I was privileged to be able to attend a drum clinic held by Mr. Carlock. What a brilliant drummer and a very nice and humble person too. A very unique style of playing indeed. During the clinic he played an open solo, played some songs of one of his other projects (Rudder), talked about his views about drumming and answered some questions from the audience.
About the show itself. Attendance: approximately 12200. An amazing show. Apparently the same setlist as in Norway, except for Pretzel Logic (I didn't write the setlist down during the gig, wanted to focus 100% on the listening, but I'm counting on my memory). Sound was great, Donald and Walter seemed to be in a pretty good mood. All in all, pretty much one of the best gigs I've ever seen. Which, of course, was not a surprise to me at all, I kind of anticipated that. :)
Antti
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 07:24:39 ET
Posted by: LG, see the glory
Thanks for the mute homework regarding who played what. I totally forgot about the Royal Scam fills. Genius.
I love the harmon mute because the middle shafted section can be removed. I always thought its little stemmed inverted cup looked like an over-sized trumpet mouthpiece or something you could put in a coffee percolater:
http://www.compositiontoday.com/sound_bank/trumpet/harmon_stem_out
Now, kids...make sure you keep your valves cleaned and oiled. :-)
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 05:08:05 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
No. 40 so far...
http://images.pollstar.com/adverts/pollstar/2007MidYearTop100Tours.pdf
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 02:29:44 ET
Posted by: steely mute homework,
Harmon Mute
Almost Gothic trumpet solo - Michael Leonhart
Great Pagoda of Funn trumpet solo - Marvin Stamm
Toilet Plunger
Babylon Sisters trumpet solos - Randy Brecker
The Royal Scam - Chuck Findley, trumpet and Richard Slyde Hyde, trombone
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 01:18:07 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
thanks for the info! sends chills down my spine everytime i hear it.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2007, 01:08:11 ET
Posted by: trumpet mute, Babylon Sisters
FYI, the mute used by the great Randy Brecker on the Babylon Sisters trumpet solos is quite literally a TOILET PLUNGER. No joke.
It's a real trumpet with a plunger held half over the bell, moved on and off to create the color. No Harmon mute, no electronics/synthesizers used. Check out Cootie Williams in Ellington's band for the master of the plunger.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 22:23:10 ET
Posted by: perezoso,
Ah the mutha-f-ers are doing Haitian Divorce now (googlestein 'er on u tube), with WB on vocals, and Herr. purdy tight (as is Carolyn's &*^$%*). Nearly enough to have some of us plan a cargo heist, fence it for tickets to Europa....................
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 21:16:08 ET
Posted by: oh, oh, oh, it's magic,
"...guess you haven't really been to a good Church"
"Good Church"... isn't that an oxymoron?
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 20:10:16 ET
Posted by: i give up, going to bed
...or "if it WAS a synth."
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 20:09:24 ET
Posted by: correction, i need a vacation
That's "on something like that if it WERE a synth."
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 20:08:00 ET
Posted by: LisaG, sotte voce
I believe said mute in question is a harmon, warren. Common in jazz.
And from my ears, that's a muted trumpet/flugelhorn in Babylon. Too many variants in color to be a synthesized instrument, although knowing our heroes, they could have spent a day mucking around with every nuance on something like that WERE a synth. Haha. But my vote would be a wind instrument.
You made me realize that I do not actually own Gaucho--but I have it on Citizen. Ugh. Must rectify.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 19:32:58 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Lisa- I totally agree with you.
It's just really bothering me another listener is completely denying a totally plausible point of view (VIEW, not necessarily PERSON wormy) that is backed up by logic and research because it isn't theirs.
As for the trumpet solo- GORGEOUS. Harmon mute, right?
Speaking of mutes and trumpets, before the verse "my friends say no" in Babylon, is that a trumpet playing, with a mute? I love that solo. My sis and I swear it's a trumpet, but my Dad says it is some electronic instrument. you probably know better than all of us.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 19:27:13 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
"I really feel Don and Walt used the church name only
and didn't do anything with our friendly missionary"
wormy, i have said NUMEROUS times it doesn't have to be Aimee if you don't want it to be. but the evangelist concept IS used, and there is a plausible parallel between it and what the narrator seems to be experiencing.
"they toss irrelevant stuff off all the time"
great argument there.
"try "Greenbook" my friend for example
is Jill St John some deeper cult of fembots
a path to another universe
a cybe vixen to reunite the world?"
or just an early 70's "movie of the week" tv actress"
it's a different song, my friend. for some reason you assume every song i hear i take a name-check to the utmost extreme. no, but i find AG to be painfully obvious.
and once again you still don't hear what i am saying. i'll say it again: AG isn't solely about Aimee. sorry if you took me literally like that. it's about what the narrator is experiencing, and D&W parallel that to evangelist preaching/scene- be it Jack, John, Aimee, or Bill. but seeing now as you do admit they use the church name, i am sure don and walt knew some stuff about it, and they knew about aimee. it's kinda cool the antagonist can be a woman, and there's a slight connection to aimee there. you are right- THAT isn't the whole song. but the whole song extends from that, uses the idea of fanatical preaching a la evangelism and draws its parallels. and i wouldnt be so quick to say it takes place in the 60s. it probably does jump around. "this dark place, so thrilling AND NEW." but that doesnt really matter.
"and why does being a Christian have to be fanaticism?"
It doesn't have to be, I never really said that, and I am sorry if I offended you. But every religion has its extremes. I don't think Don and Walt are referencing the most common forms of Christianity.
i know i said i'd stop arguing, but for some reason i cant.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 19:25:37 ET
Posted by: I mean, ...
It was a freakin tomato. I found the skin in the wash. Apparently, it was gathered up along with the kitchen towels. What a silly thing to do.
My take, references are there sometimes because, well, they just are. And a cigar is just a cigar. Most often, specific ones have some relation to the topic that someone who can dig deep would be able to unearth. Some are more blatant than others. Foursquare is pretty obvious IF you decide to look it up. But for others who do not chose to research these things, the reference can go to the bed analogy. Either way, everyone wins.
I echo the sentiment of those who paraphrase Becker and Fagen when they say, the meanings are for the listener to decide. Just like a goddess is a goddess to some, but not to others.
And a domestic goddess washes her fruits and vegetables in the sink. Usually.
LG
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:51:42 ET
Posted by: wormy, truceville
warren
you are so busy trying to win an argument you don't even read posts
this was in one of mine
"we are saying the same thing from different sides of the coin"
I really feel Don and Walt used the church name only
and didn't do anything with our friendly missionary
they toss irrelevant stuff off all the time
the 00 version is no different
try "Greenbook" my friend for example
is Jill St John some deeper cult of fembots
a path to another universe
a cybe vixen to reunite the world?
or just an early 70's "movie of the week" tv actress
that's where we differ
foursquare
and why does being a Christian have to be fanaticism?
maybe from the outside looking in
guess you haven't really been to a good Church
we're cool, just don't try to ram rod something down my throat that frankly isn't there
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:49:59 ET
Posted by: wormy, truceville
warren
you are so busy trying to win an argument you don't even read posts
this was in one of mine
"we are saying the same thing from different sides of the coin"
I really feel Don and Walt used the church name only
and didn't do anything with our friendly missionary
they toss irrelevant stuff off all the time
the 00 version is no different
try "Greenbook" my friend for example
is Jill St John some deeper cult of fembots
a path to another universe
a cybe vixen to reunite the world?
or just an early 70's "movie of the week" tv actress
that's where we differ
foursquare
and why does being a Christian have to be fanaticism?
maybe from the outside looking in
guess you haven't really been to a good Church
we're cool, just don't try to ram rod something down my throat that frankly isn't there
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:48:56 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, hot licks and rhetoric
Whew!
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:40:11 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
"it used allegorical references
it's set in the 60's "
okay- I am done. you conceded in those two lines. it is an allegorical reference, and it's huge (even by solo definition of allegory).
like i said long before, AG is about a goddess, it's about sex, it's about the fascination that goes along with it, and W&D shed a new light on that by throwing in parallelism to the rhetoric of intense religious fanaticism.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:35:20 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
worm, how many times do i need to say it doesn't have to be about Aimee specifically? you are so literal. get over that! i'll say it another way. it DOES have to be about that culture, that idea, that concept. i chose Aimee because they use the word she. and they choose not to use Jack because they are good about writing about woman from a male's perspective (make sense!). an allusion to something doesn't mean the song is going to solely be about that allusion- you are right in that regards. but you are totally wrong in thinking that allusion serves no purpose. i have yet to hear you respond to any of the points i have made. if u cant see the connection between that sort of preaching and what the narrator experiences, well, GAH.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:25:24 ET
Posted by: me again, in an effort to lighten the load
How's this for comic relief? I just washed a tomato with my kitchen towels. In the washing machine. Dear lord...
Hopefully wormy and warren can find a chuckle in that silliness for one moment.
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled word battle. :-D
LG
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:21:28 ET
Posted by: LG, sweet dreams
yo--Yes...I'm afraid Herr Dop realizes that "Almost Gothic" is probably my most favorite Dan song in the world. :-D But you see...she who would be a goddess is only a goddess as long as said admirer sees her that way. In ten years, she could be that nagging old lady you work late to try to avoid.
In fact, she could be that right now. ;-)
(The admiration is flattering, however.)
Now how about that sweet trumpet solo that breezes over the undulation? Probably one of a handful of instrumental solos I have memorized. God bless you, Mike Leonhart.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:18:15 ET
Posted by: wt, nola
warren
definitely up the anti depressants
they take at least 3 weeks to kick in
Don and Walt lived in LA in the 70's
Foursquare church was pastored by Jack Hayford then
quite popular as he reached the masses without all the churchy feel
Almost Gothic has n o t h i n g to do with Aimee
it used allegorical references
it's set in the 60's
I know a little bit about writing
but I won't bore you hear
please see your shrink soon
and quit getting your panties in a twist
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 18:05:53 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
And this is my last comment on this for a long time. I'll try to put it in perspective this way. And once again, I repeat the song is not just about Aimee/evangelism, but uses that to make a point.
Worm, Don and Walt, as authors, WOULD be offended by your comment that they put in an IRRELEVANT reference. Any author would be offended by that statement. Everything serves a purpose in good literature. Don and Walt aren't writing a 1000 word essay for school and need to fill up some space. The reference to gospel and foursquare IS NOT irrelevant- they obviously put it in their because they felt it said something - it serves a purpose- and maybe one day you will see that.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 17:57:45 ET
Posted by: yo,
Walt's doppleganger, no one is denying the "nice dream" aspect of Almost Gothic.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 17:54:15 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
"you pick the irrelevant reference
I pick the theme of the song"
And I will say once again, the song isn't JUST about Aimee. The song uses the culture surrounding and practice of people such as Aimee to instill meaning and substance into the theme of the song. It draws a parallel to the shallow yet fascinating engagement the narrator experiences. There is parallelism and analogy. It is up to the reader to decide how intensely they want to consider that. But if you think Don and Walt were writing these lyrics and then the word Aimee/evangelism popped into their head and then they through in an obscure reference for the hell of it, you obviously have no idea about how the writing process works. Authors put these things in for a reason.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 17:45:17 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Sorry about the caps lock, but you still don't get it. It isn't irrelevant, at all. I'm weighing both "sides of the coin" equally, while you consider just one side, and shrug at the other, which I cannot understand why. Here, let me take it from this viewpoint. Since you do admit that there may be the slightest Aimee/gospel/evangelist (see it can be any of these from any time period!!!) reference, why would Don and Walt bother to put that in? Don't you think they're trying to say something with that? If you have ever taken an English class, you should know good authors and lyricists don't throw in references for the sake of it. They serve a purpose. As you said, great lyricists and authors know how to turn a phrase- but what you don't understand is that they just don't turn it for fun. They turn it for fun and to get a certain message across. And trust me, Don and Walt know that- they were English majors for pete's sake, perfectionists, and fans of quality literature.
For some reason, you continuously think I think the song IS JUST about Aimee. No, it isn't JUST about her. But as good authors, D&W use the concept of Aimee and her followers and the culture that surrounds her as a vehicle to make a point. And they have fun in the process doing it. Yes I know Deacon Blues isn't about UAlabama. BUT DO YOU CONSIDER EVERY HISTORICAL AND LITERARY REFERENCE IN THE DAN CATALOGUE TO BE JUST FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES? If you do, obviously we are different types of fans - I'll let you know now, though, that every one of their songs isn't a Cousin Dupree. I enjoy chuckling at "you're a mark, you're a screamer" JUST AS MUCH as I enjoy taking SD seriously. It's a different level of fandom I guess, and only provides more enjoyment. I feel sorry for you, and I am sure Walt and Don do too (and probably offended), if you cannot let the possibility of academic purpose enter their music at the appropriate times.
Sure, D&W have said if they can't look upon their past work and laugh, they have failed. However, that clearly isn't the whole story. It can't be. Clearly, in many songs they do try to put across a message. Babylon Sisters contains a clear message. On the other side of things, Don't Take me Alive is a fun story. The messages in their songs of course vary a lot, from jocular to insightful to questioning to didactic. Almost Gothic is in the middle and is trying to say something- I still think you haven't really listened to the lyrics. They've written a Josie before, and they don't like to repeat themselves.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 17:16:54 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, cloud 9
::wink:: ::wink:: ::sigh::
not many notice
whisper of a goddess
a very nice dream, tonight
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 16:34:38 ET
Posted by: wormy and wt (wormtom), nola
warrren
lighten up or increase your dosage of medication
and please turn off the caps lock
it's considered shouting
we are saying the same thing from different sides of the coin
you pick the irrelevant reference
I pick the theme of the song
like I said
Deacon Blue isn't about Bear Bryant
Almost Gothic isn't about Aimee
I'm a Christian, I know who Aimee is
I don't have to google her life story
Do I get my point across
or will your focus on the irrelevant cloud your judgement?
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 15:36:40 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Jeez, worm and wt. You guys still don't get it.
I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED THE DOUBLE FREAKING ENTENDRE. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE BEAUTY OF THE SONG! DUH! IF IT TAKES THE JOY OUT OF IT FOR YOU, THEN YOU HAVE SERIOUS SELF-ESTEEM ISSUES. AND I NEVER SAID THE SONG IS ABOUT MISSIONARIES IN THE 1920S. OF COURSE IT ISN'T.
I KNOW THE SONG IS NOT SOLELY ABOUT AIMEE. HOWEVER, LIKE THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, THEY HAVE CHOSEN AN HISTORICAL OR REAL LIFE FIGURE AND HAVE USED IT TO DRAW A PARALLEL TO SOMETHING ELSE. IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT AFTER READING THAT WIKIPEDIA ENTRY, AFTER READING THE LYRICS, YOU ARE RIDICULOUSLY STUBBORN AND QUITE SIMPLE-MINDED. DO YOU NOT SEE THAT MOST OF THE LINES FOCUS AROUND SPEECH OR WHAT HE SEES? CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW THE HYPNOTIZING EFFECT OF PROPAGANDA IS SIMILAR TO THAT OF AN EMPTY, YET PASSIONATE ENCOUNTER WITH AN UNSCRUPULOUS WOMAN??
SORRY IF I MADE IT SOUND LIKE THE SONG IS JUST ABOUT AIMEE BEFORE. BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO DENY THIS ALLUSION AND ITS ANALOGY TO A CHEAP SEXUAL ENCOUNTER, YOU ARE A FOOL. IT IS A REOCCURING THEME TRHOUGHOUT THE SONG, AND I'LL BET EVERY PENNY I HAVE THAT WALTER AND DONALD HAD A BLAST PARALLELING SEX TO A FANATICAL RELIGIOUS SERMON.
IT'S HONESTLY YOUR PROBLEM IF YOU CANNOT ENJOY ENRICHMENT TO ONE MEANING OF A PIECE OF LITERATURE. GO BACK TO READING YOUR HARDY BOYS.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 15:36:39 ET
Posted by: LisaG, with her ears on fire
Hey Gina--finally got to the Wadenius clip. Jojje is a musical monster, but honestly, his voice leave something to be desired. There are a lot of pitch issues, but that was some harmonically nasty stuff he was putting out so you gotta give props for the attempt. His guitar work never ceases to amaze me--he's got chops on top of chops and his ideas are verily complex yet always accessible to us commoners. :-P Plus the dude can funk it all out. I wish I could hear him live since I've never had the pleasure--maybe a trip to Sweden is in order.
I was enjoying AiA recently and I have to say that Josie never sounded so good to me. Liner notes tell me: Becker, Barney and Chambers. Am I waxing nostalgic for an earlier touring band, or am I just looking for something different from the present. ::sigh:: Rock on, Dandom.
Oh and...go Yanks.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 15:09:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Druidendusche - just speaking from my heart, sorry. I emailed you, you appear to be an actual person. I'm hoping.
Almost Gothic and Aimee Semple McPherson? I drive by that Temple on Glendale Blvd every day. Whatever else is going on in there, people seem to find comfort and solice. It's always packed, people are lined up at 6:30 AM. The church apparently does a lot for the community around Silver Lake and Echo Park.
She was almost gothic, if you know anything about her life. So...could be, maybe, a connection there. Then again, maybe not.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 15:04:10 ET
Posted by: wt, nola
any clever lyricist of D & W quality can turn a phrase
the song isn't about a missionary in the 20's
that's what I hate about the bluebook
miss the double entendres but focus on the obscure side reference
take the joy right out of the song
oh well
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 14:57:45 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
and how did they get so many of them? lol
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 14:53:44 ET
Posted by: womry, nola
Warren K
Almost GOthic is NOT about Aimee McPherson
there is a tangential reference to foursquare and that's it
gospel time, amen corner, all playful
Don and Walt know how to weave in and select names
hell it's even easier today with Google, Jeeves etc on line
anyone can be 'clever'
It's like Crimson Tide in Deacon Blue
a little side reference
do you think Deacon Blue is about Bear Bryant or George McGovern?
please
The song is set in the sixties NYC and is a house of desire
Little Eva - 60's
Bleeker Street - NYC
Aimee - teens and twenties
Aimee - Los Angeles and on the missionary road
Aimee was a missionary for Christ who reached the lost with non traditional methods in the post world war I era. Jack Hayford is a very popular pastor who has continued in Aimee's tradition in Los Angeles - Foursquare is still in existence.
it's a slap reference, not the underlying meaning of the song
the gospel time, amen corner stuff is playing off foursquare (the bedposts you are tied to) not aimee
from Wickepedia
Her illustrated sermons attracted people from the entertainment industry, looking to see a "show" that rivaled what Hollywood had to offer. These famous stage productions drew people who would never have thought to enter a church, and then presented them with her interpretation of the message of salvation. McPherson believed that the Gospel was to be presented at every opportunity, and used worldly means at her disposal to present it to as many people as possible. Her sermons, unlike other contemporaries, e.g. Billy Sunday, were not the usual fire-and-brimstone messages, but were based around a more friendly interpretation of the modern Christian texts.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 14:49:04 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
and how did they get so many of them? lol
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 14:48:42 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
where did they get those quotes from?
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 14:33:32 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
Never saw this before...
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/donald_fagen.html
Couple of favorites:
The way we looked at things and what was going on at the time gave Steely Dan a specific character which I don't think it could ever have again.
and...
When you get a groove going, time flies.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 13:25:08 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
It's so ridiculous all those debating Almost Gothic are too foolish and stubborn to realize you are all saying the same thing. That the story is inspired by Aimee McPherson, that it's about a woman, that there's your favorite sexual references in it, that it's about discovering something for the first time and being totally enraptured with it. Why can't you all just except the genius of SD and understand this isn't cotton candy? When people hear an interpretation here, they should embrace it, and try to relate it to theirs. Walter and Donald have told us they write their songs so that everyone can have their own interpretation. Other than blatant fallacies and total misinterpretations, everyone's view point is a piece of the puzzle that the Dan manufactured.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 12:33:32 ET
Posted by: Druidendusche, .
Ciao,
MF's
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 12:32:30 ET
Posted by: Druidendusche, .
Jerks
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 12:21:54 ET
Posted by: Mitch, USA
almost gothic - If you only knew.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 11:37:02 ET
Posted by: Druidendusche, Smells not so good
Been away for a while, have u got some facts, some news,
or just this talking shit.rajah, etc. bla bla.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 11:36:45 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Raj
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 10:55:10 ET
Posted by: almost gothic, love boat
A pity so few others see Almost Gothic as I do....as maybe SD's only true and straight lovesong. The thrill of early love/lust/awakenings and the hapless male view of the perplexing and all-powerful female creature. I think I remember a DF quote from some interview around 2000 on this topic, something like "yes this is the thrill of the early relationship before reality sets it" or some such.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 09:23:28 ET
Posted by: LisaG, is nothing sacred?
In regards to the latest discussion, one can call a Dangentially-absent foul. That said, critical opinions are always welcome, but plain old "hate comments" honestly have no place here.
It might be better to follow that old rule of never discussing politics or religion in mixed company, especially if that company has a personal relationship with said topic.
----------------------
P.S.I still love KC. :-P
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 08:28:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah, too terrible
Look to yourself.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 08:01:58 ET
Posted by: Handle, jiggle the
Damn straight your buddy should cry and beg for forgiveness, instead pope ratzo digs the knife deeper.
So you pray to the slave masters who created us and glorify the coming horrible death of our race and the planet. congratulations on your oh so cool life.
Tax the churches.
Religeons stunt true spiritual growth.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 07:34:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah, walking the floor
Dr Wu are a very visceral experience. Their singer, their guitar player, bass man and their lead sax are marvelous. I find it difficult to comment as they happen to be my friends. But that boy from Liverpool is something special. He's a caution but behind a microphone he is something truly special, a breath control that Sinatra would marvel at. He sounds just as good on stage as he does in your living room. He loves to sing and he respects the song. Bravo. Bravo. Bravissimo.
DB - I'm reinventing myself for the third time...it's scary.
I'm humbled to say Roger Cardinal Mahoney is a friend and a good man. His Eminence knows full well what terrible things occurred and has paid out 660 Million dollars in a gesture not to attempt to undo the things that happened but to attempt to somehow salve those wounds. He cries every day, he has told me, and I believe in his innate goodness. Flawed, yes, terribly flawed, no lies. When we've had the occasion to shake hands after Mass like this past April, I looked at him and saw great pain in his eyes. He lives with demons, but hey, doesn't everybody? And he said to me, "only you Italians still kiss my ring." It has been my privilege.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 06:44:22 ET
Posted by: Scouser, tonyland
Well said my Turbaned friend
No comments about Dr Wu Band?????????????????????????????????????
What is this
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 06:40:32 ET
Posted by: JC , THE TRUTH
F*** His Eminence Cardinal Mahoney .And his F***ing crew in Rome
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 06:07:06 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
By the way.
Preparing my trip to Lucca, i've putted all those fantastic artists below on my I Pod and guess with who? Yes, of course !!
I transfered the 9 SD albums and 4 soloworks on it to. Maybe not relevant to you but maybe should try. Amazing result when you put your I Pod on the "Shuffle" function.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 05:57:44 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Rajah,
Gues you're discovering yourself for the second time in your life.
EMG gives me the same feeling i had with TvN and all their other albums. They're growning on you with the time, just like a good bottle of wine. The very first time i was listening to TvN, i thought it was a very great album compared with all the contemporary shitreleases at that time. But surely not so exeptional as their previous work. Well, now 7 years later i know i was completely wrong. Tvn is a real piece of art! Songs like Almost Gothic, Cousin Dupree, jack of Speed and Negative Girl are 100% SD classics. Maybe a prolongation of what they made since Aja as like time never stood still but at the same time those songs proved that SD survived artisticely a period of 20 years of inactivity. Critics were argumentating that TvN brought nothing new on the horizon but then again what to say about songs like Gaslighting Abbie, West of Hollywood and the titletrack? You feel and know those are typical Becker & Fagen songs but with those ones they're going quiet far mixing free jazz into it.
Well, the same thing is happening with EMG. It's growing on you with the space of time and litlle by little we're discovering new things.
In fact, that's what happening with all the Sd albums. Even 30 years after the release of Aja, each time i'm listening now to that three letterwordalbum, it's a new experience for me. As ell lyrical as musicaly.
"In the beginning we could hang with the dude" thinking their albums are great and fantastic, but it's only years later we're realising how brilliant those 9 SD albums are. To say it with Rajah's words "it all start coming clear"
I'm a fan of good music. I like Tom Jobim, Sinatra, Springsteen, Pink Floyd,Dire Straits,Pavaroti, Roberto Alagna, Dave Brubeck, Miles, Coltrane, Brecker Brothers,Metheny, Isaac Delgado (Cuban Salsa), Michael Franks and so many others like that. In fact i'm a fan of them because they made or performed exeptional music.
Then you've something extraterestrial, equivalent on what we calls here on earth "music". Coming from another planet and what those ET's are calling "Steely Dan"
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 02:58:02 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Rajah,
I second that, it was the biggest buzz I ever got from a new release.
I got it at Borders and forced myself not to open it on the drive home.
Then I burned it while listening to it the first time in order not to jump ahead, out of pure excitement.
Jaco's first record had a similar, lasting effect on me.
In a way 'Slang' reminds me of 'Opus Pocus', did not love it at first but it sure grows on you.
That's also why the 2003 tour was my favorite - there was a buzz in the air as to what new songs might be played that night.
Unfortunately many of the boomers have their minds shut when one out of 10 songs is a bit more challenging.
that's why the Eagles do so well I guess...
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 01:08:16 ET
Posted by: ROFLMAO,
Rajah you must know that Almost Gothic is about Walter's girlfriend? LOL
"Hmm, I see dark bobbed hair, dark eyes with an evil squint, alabaster skin, whippet thin and a gait that makes you think she's hovering just inches above the rug.
She's changeable, impulsive, she's judgmental,
she's wicked and manipulative."
Date: Sun, July 22, 2007, 00:58:40 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
So if anyone wants to have their minds blown- feast your ears on ERIC MARIENTHAL AND VINNIE COLAIUTA. Is that not one of the sickest 5 words you have ever heard together? It's from Eric's album Crossroads. I don't who the other guys playing on it are- I think Russell Ferante and John Pattituci. But I will soon since I am going to pick this up ASAP. The general consensus in the drum world is that if one has to pick the greatest drummer on earth (even though that statement is pretty much silly) it would be Vinnie C. And Eric Marienthal is a force of nature on sax- one of the few guys I know who can play tech and blazing fast but still make his solos as musical as say the solo on Deacon Blues. I love him. It's ashame he does so much smooth jazzy type stuff... Anyways, ENJOY (particularly Eric's solo, which should sweep you up and throw you into the dizzying chaos of one of the coolest furies between soloist and rhythm section I've ever heard)!
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/upside_down.mp3
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 23:44:02 ET
Posted by: LG, P.S.
Herr Doppelganger--::wink, wink::
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 23:43:03 ET
Posted by: LisaG, sweeter at the top
Rajah--Man, how dare you be so eloquent regarding EMG. I was hoping you would say:
"Don't think it's bad but don't think it's great either."
:-P
Gretchen--How 'about those Yanks? :-D
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 23:41:17 ET
Posted by: Robert, Good luck
Raj -Nice post but:
"A terrifc achievement", only now being recognized by you maybe. I got it the first listen!
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 23:02:58 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @wohsorta
Raj
thats your best post evah
ed
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 22:25:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Well said my Turbaned friend
No comments about Dr Wu Band?
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 21:56:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey everybody, I've been listening to EMG in DVD-A today. This album is starting to come clear to me finally after 4 years. It's...it's just brilliant. My bass speaker got jostled when I was chasing my cat, Frankie, the other day. Then I started fucking around with all these goddam buttons on my remote. Something just clicked. This record is a brilliant statment of simplicity. They showed us how sophisticated they could be on 2vN, this record screams: we can do both, we can wow you in layers and we can wow you naked and all stripped down. Walter on bass on this record is golden. So
I've led a big life. I've traveled the world since I was a boy. I've been on stage and on TV and in every rock club in NYC in the 80s. I have just been selected for the 3rd time to be on the SAG nominating committee. I read Italian, Latin and Greek. I have read everything, every fucking thing, I have seen all of the greatest performers, Dizzy, Frank, Pavarotti. I have taken big swings and never been cheated. And I tell you this not to aggrandize myself, dear Dandom, I tell you this because of all the places and things I've experienced, all the people I've met from Princess Grace and Charlton Heston to His Eminence Cardinal Mahoney who just churned out a huge chunk of change for things too terrible, these two motherfuckers, our Donald and Walter, have continued to engage and inform me best. All these years and all this other shit that has past through my life and consciousness and these two pricks just won't go away. Bastards.
So who do I keep coming back to? Steely Dan. Everything Must Go. A terrifc achievement, only now being recognized.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 20:52:58 ET
Posted by: Fife, Florida,eh
Anyone up for a chat?
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 19:30:19 ET
Posted by: JBDan, Molde setlist, Oslo
Can't see anyone mentioning the Molde gig two days ago, so I guess I have to post for the first time.
Romsdalsmusèet in Molde, July 19.
Intro
Time out of mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Hey 19
Haitian divorce
Peg
Green earrings
Dirty work
Josie
Bodhisattva
Aja
Kid C
encores
Fm
My old school
Outro
Attendance: nearly 8000. Great show. Our boys were i good form, sound was just great where we stood about 12-14 meters from the stage dead center, and they got a really good reception. People were singing, clapping and cheering all through the show. I thought it was a few songs short, but they were on stage for close to 2 hours. Local and national papers wrote that the show deserved 5 out of 6.
Now I´m really looking forward to the rest of the european leg. Some of us are lucky enough to follow the Dan all he way to Lucca. Leaving for Copenhagen tomorrow,,..:-))
JB
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 04:26:56 ET
Posted by: Scouser, tonyland
Hey Rajah. Nice to see you at the Edison for the Doctor Wu show. Sorry we never got the chance to talk before or after the show, but you know what it's like. I did put your name on the list so i hope you had no problems getting in. All the best. Scouser
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 02:56:26 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Jim Beard would be THE producer for SD.
Randy Brecker (think 46th/Lex) - another great fit.
It would also be interesting how some of the new guys like
Thievery Corporation could give some impulses.
The do have the grove down - all studio, right down the SD alley from way back. OK, it's digital now but that keeps the personality
stress factor low. Both of them sound damn good.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 02:48:18 ET
Posted by: Big Popi, Fenway
Gretchen- Did you make that comment before or after they lost tonight to the worst team in baseball (Tampa Bay) 14-4? Blessed Yankees my ass!
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 00:54:50 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
A-Rod is out of place in NY. He is Dave Winfield reincarnated. Great during the season...sucks at crunch time. It's not going to happen in NY as long as they think he is the man. Reggie J...not.
A while back there was some criticism about the song Cousin Dupree. How could any Steely Dan fan not like that song. It has the classic Steely Dan line "the dreary architecture of your soul". It's my favorite of all time. Guess it takes a southern boy to truly relate to that song.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2007, 00:28:25 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, loves lg
well heck, the ally is da bomb.
never got grant green - walter's had his moments. christian and wes - oh yeah!
how about that jim mckay - send him a note of thanks today!! hey, put a jackson in an envelope and send it to the dude!!!
just diggin todd sickafoose band - blood orange cd - doesn't get much better. (headphones late night - killer)
hey kenny vance - give it up.
izze fruit drink - blackberrry - yes!
¿air here - no no - mary shut the garden door!¿
don't forget to support your local farmers market!
dapper dopper
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 17:49:39 ET
Posted by: LisaG, NJ (unfortunately)
Re: another producer...I think it would be interesting if there was a third master-mind in the current mix, but I don't think they can actually do it. They've come too far on their own to allow an outside mentality in. There are influences with the current musical line-up that must be bringing them some creative outlets, though.
Gretchen--I never count the Yankees out. I just acknowledge that they have mediocre pitching this year. The '78 Yanks had above-average pitching. But I will never stop being a fan. :-D Players playin' in da Bronx, indeed. (Couldn't score any decent tix for the game tonight. Ugh.)
STILL LISTENING TO DUTCH RADIO. I'm obsessed. Yesterday it was baroque oboe trios and today it's a Perry Como-fest. And may I say, these arrangements were kickin.'
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 17:34:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,
My point being that without Donald and Walter as producers--and let's face it, they pretty much were producers during their mid 70s' classic years--it's not Steely Dan.
Sure Becker and Fagen could get outside producers but it would be something else other than Steely Dan. Maybe they would seek out such an arrangement and call it something else. Consider all the questions around the time of "Kamakiriad": What is the difference between a Donald Fagen and Steely Dan album? Steely Dan is the Becker/Fagen sound and songwriting. Becker and Fagen with someone else producing wouldn't be Steely Dan.
Jim
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 17:28:33 ET
Posted by: grant green,
Oh, yes Walter and Donald are the producers, and are quite good. But they have settled into their niche. They used to be beyond the bleeding edge, now they're comfortable (as is possible for them), and maybe even satisfied, or a least accepting of their status. I think there is a lot more to tap into, but it's easier to coast.
They used to have Roger, every cutting edge drummer, guitarist, keyboardist, plus the friction those mixtures created. Now it's a stable of pleasant personalities that don't bug them too much.
Producers? How about Mitchell Froom/Tchad Blake. Or some new guy who is not intimidated by them but has absorbed their work. Jon Brion, Jim O'Rourke. Or some old school contemporary like Phil Ramone, or jazz guy Joe Ferla. Just exciting to imagine Walt and Donald back in a situation where they were trying to prove something new.
They have friggin' PhDs for crying out loud! You have to keep pushing if you really deserve that.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 16:54:28 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick
In a huge sense, the hallmark of Steely Dan is that Becker and Fagen are the pretty much producers.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 16:50:11 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, 1978, more of the same?
On July 20 1978 the Yankees were 14 games back in the AL east, and truly did suck. They are now 7 back. Don't count 'em out yet, kids..... blessed Yankees.
G
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 16:47:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Who could possibly produce them? Rick Rubin? Burt Bacharach? Richard Carpenter? George Martin? Nelson Riddle or Billy May would be my choice if they were still with us. The brass and horn charts and Donald's resonate a lot, both very bold and, well, I guess, middle aged, secure, focused.
No I've got it, Herbie Hancock.
Never happen, they haven't come this far to give the reins over to a third party. Gary Katz, gone, Roger Nichols, gone, Elliot Schiener, just about gone. Katz was the axe-man, Nichols the Pro-Tools guy and Schiener the mix-master. They're in a completely different place now. They're big-band leaders. Bring on jazz quartet.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 15:58:43 ET
Posted by: grant green,
But Rajah -
If it were Grant Green's simple soloing in place of Walters, the complaints would go away.
Why is that?
And I don't mean any disrespect to Walter. I just think Steely Dan could use a producer to shake things up a bit. I don't buy the "it's their band they can do whatever they want" argument. They need to push the envelope one more time, and there is no shame in getting help to do it. Walter's solos focused by a fresh producer could be amazing.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 15:38:43 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Alkali- not bad!
There may be a nod to Reelin and Glam-pro, but no direct lyrics in there. Home at Last isn't one either, but I could see why you'd say so. If by Negative you mean Negative Girl, I don't believe there is any of that in there. You are missing two songs. One's on Katy Lied and one is on Countdown.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 15:31:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thinking about Walter and Grant Green, his favorite guitar player. Green was so proficient at such a young age but always languished in the shadow of guys like Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery. By age 30 he had become the most respected unknown player around. He played all styles, Latin, bop, soul, funk even country-western as we used to call it. His style was very clean, very stripped down, lots of space everywhere and liked to play one note at a time. From my experience with players and actors, simplicity is the most difficult thing to affect. Writing, too. Pyrotechnics thrill us but that kind of raw simplicity stays with us, touches us deeply I believe on a psychological level. No, I'm not a psychiatrist but this somehow makes sense to me. And Walter's playing is deceptively simple as well. Take The Last Mall. He enters this song so elegantly, with such clarity and simplicity. He has a way of announcing the begining of a song so eloquently. Think of Boston Rag. He has a lot of heart, he just doesn't wear it on his sleeve. For me, he is a bebop guitar player who hears things most people don't. Could he weild the bass on tour? I tend to doubt it. He's a finesse player, not a power player. And like Grant Green, he is an underappreciated master.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 15:08:36 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Happy birthday warrenk! 19's a good age, Mom turned me onto the Dan for my 19th, now there's a birthday present!
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 14:43:11 ET
Posted by: Alkali, Captain's Neck Ln. Sth. Hampton, NY
These might be the trivia answers:
EARINGS
MOVIES
MONKEY
REELING
HOME
TBTLO
IGY
FLY
GLAM-PRO
NEWS
EMG
NEGATIVE
"happy birthday"
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 13:52:35 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtTv4aXJS0
LisaG, curious how you feel about the videoclip above, it's recorded in 2006 and Georg Wadenius is some fast (s)cat :-)
As a producer also a genius= Norwegian jazz singer Silje Nergaard.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 11:52:07 ET
Posted by: LisaG, wheee!!
Ah...Dop. Yankees may suck, but they are blessed with an ally.
:-D
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 11:49:52 ET
Posted by: Marek, New Europe
Dop - what are your suspicions? This is the place to air them. No one's going to come knocking on your door in the middle of the night.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2007, 10:44:25 ET
Posted by: Dop, pod
yeah walter keeps noodlin' - who knows why.
he's got something to prove?
he should play bass on tour.
i have my suspisions but i won't air them here.
and still emg could be one of their greatest - but can you imagine if they took those songs and brought them back with them to the late 70's and recorded them with the killer guitarists and session kats they were using?
fuckin amazing!!!
and what's with the horrible click/kick drum on emg?
LG - yankees suck!!!
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 21:31:49 ET
Posted by: Beth,
....more about "The Royal Scam" please....
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 19:42:38 ET
Posted by: Milo Hamilton, Houston
Rajah
Interesting Grant Green discography here: http://www.jazzdisco.org/green/dis/c/
Incredible to see the number of players Green worked with who also happen to be on our favorite records.
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 19:41:13 ET
Posted by: beth,
...Warren...a happy b-day....all the best, congrats, spankspankspank...I do question someone throwing a cake in your face....yeah, it's your birthday and all that, but jeez, was it really necessary to get cake in your face....some people like that sort of thing and that is O.K....it was all in fun right? I'm sure it was and everyone had a hoot and all that....myself, I would have punched the guy and kicked him in the ribs/liver...but that is just me. Be sure to slam his face in his birthday cake....oh how he will laugh and laugh and laugh. Wait....
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 19:11:29 ET
Posted by: Beth,
.....it's cocktail hour.....won't you let me in?
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 18:22:27 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, <====
19 yo?? Damn I have posts on here older than that!! :o)
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 17:52:08 ET
Posted by: LG, the spelling police
Darn it. That's THEREMIN.
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 17:50:49 ET
Posted by: LisaG, from the room at the top of the stairs
Happy 19th, warren. Celebrate!
But remember...it's just a band.
::wink, wink::
:-P
---------
Thanks to all for the North Sea Jazz banter. I am in love with that radio feed so much that I bookmarked it. I think it's such a kick to listen to the Dutch DJ when every few words or so, you hear the name of a great musician. There was a fine live Ella recording on there from her later years that blew me away. (However, at present, there is some kind of 20th century modern art-piece or something...hmmm.) You know, there just isn't enough theramin in the world. :-D
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 16:21:31 ET
Posted by: Nasty School Boy, watch out!
Alan Cranston - Sometimes the truth hurts.
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 16:14:44 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Today is my 19th birthday!! I know I'm growing mature when I'm a Steely Dan topic (or immature?) - but I do remember the Queen of Soul. Anyways, I am having quite a DAN-o-RIFIC birthday and would like to share some cool Danny stuff with you all. It was awesome to get some "Hey 19" birthday wishes from the two great friends I have who adore the Dan. My dad also wrote me a touching letter. A QUICK LITTLE CONTEST/QUIZ FOR ALL to keep your Dan-wits in check: Identify all DF/WB allusions with song names:
To a person like you
I love to give and give
You do so much with all you get
TO see that look in your eyes
like you're
Always laughing and having fun.
Some day I might find
I can't keep up with you no more.
But even still, if you care to do it, just call AND
yes I'll be there.
As the years keep rolling on, I spend a lot of
time watching, and I see how you navigate
the course, all the while you use tact,
poise, and reason and it is quite clear and evident
you're future looks bright; Not to mention
you look super swell.
And now more than ever, on the court, we
have many kicks and I love that
you know how to hustle;
and
when we play music, occasionally,
I get a few good licks. But very preciously
you have given back to me,
As far as I know, the most wonderful
yang.
The groove and joy of Steely Dan.
I'm also trying to get another friend into the Dan. He's listening to Gaucho, and knows the name of few other Dan songs. He sang me a very amusing "happy birthday"- you probably had to have been there and heard it:
"happy birthday to you
happy birthday to you
Brut anndd charismaa poured from the shadow where you stood
Rikkiiii don't lose that number! (Deacon Blues)" [song ends and then abruptly yelled]:
REELIN IN THE YEARS (as he throws a birthday cake in my face).
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 13:54:00 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Marek - I agree with parts of your post, and while I do get a little annoyed with Becker's tendency to noodle over just about everything, his playing just gets better and better and I think he's grown a lot between 00 and 07. Furthermore, it's his band, he can sideline whoever he wants.
A lot of the time, I prefer his solos to Herrington's. Herringon is incredibly skilled, but takes no chances and plays a lot of scales. Becker has a distinct style but once in a while will bust out with a line you'd never expect, for better or for worse.
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 12:23:29 ET
Posted by: Alan Cranston,
Marek
Bet Becker would love to read your post
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 12:20:55 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
DeaconBlue
Thanks for the pics
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 08:42:53 ET
Posted by: Marek, New Europe
Just caught SD for the first time since '03 and have to voice one major complaint: Walter takes entirely too many solos. His playing, while distinct, sounds downright amateurish next to Herington, and it was frustrating to watch half the show go by before Herington took a solo.
Becker's solos work great on a handful of tunes- Josie, Bad Sneakers, to name a couple, but sound laughably out of place on most: Hey 19, Green Earrings, Bodhisattva. Herington seemed sidelined at the show.
I think the same could be said for the recent SD records, on which it's a given Walter will take the solos. Many, if not most of those solos go nowhere (prime example: Godwhacker). Becker's not a bad player by any means, but he's limited to one style. Becker had some great solos in the 70s (Pretzel Logic, Josie, Home at Last), when he had to earn his place on the records. Now that he has installed himself as SD's lead guitarist, does anyone else think that it represents a step backwards in SD's sound?
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 06:52:23 ET
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Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 06:48:59 ET
Posted by: Visitor648, Visitor648
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Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 04:44:41 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
PICTURES OF STEELY DAN AT NSJF IN ROTTERDAM
www.northseajazz.nl/nsj885.html
Just take a look, they're just great!!!
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 04:41:05 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
STEELY DAN PHOTOS FROM NSJF IN ROTTERDAM.
www.northseajazz.nl/nsj885.html
Just take a look, they're just great.
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 00:11:57 ET
Posted by: W1P, VH1 Classic
Last night, Classic Albums? Aja! Tonight, Never Mind the Bullocks
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2007, 00:08:08 ET
Posted by: LisaG, going insane
Well...what sorts of drugs did you look to be peddling?
:-P
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 20:43:13 ET
Posted by: beth,
...lengthy post Hasaan...thanks for sharing. North Sea Jazz Festival... a dollar short and a day late....does anyone remember my "CatFood" tapes from the Netherlands?....they are most likely not played anymore...heck I've been gone for so long...I was surprised to see my name and number in the phone book....afterall I was an "alien" but this is the way Holland operates....you stay there for awhile and they put your name and number in the phone book...friendly, cooperative folks...I'm sure Donald et al had a wonderful time there....ah, the North Sea (well, what can I say - it's a sea for pete's sakes).....went very nicely for me in Holland. I'd drop some names but I'd have to get my address book and that is too much trouble right now. Heard the most intriguing songs while in Holland....don't remember the artists (tried my best to look the songs up on the internet...no luck)....I do have tapes somewheres, and videos.....perhaps I met you on the North Sea beach or at the amusement park nearby, I ate at the Greek and other ethnic restaurants, I had a hotel room on the beach (well, been there many times)....I think my shoes were a little too well kept (they were from Spain and impeccable) and I am a rather slender sort, "casual but smartly dressed"....this one boyfriend I had there said I looked like a drug peddler (me?)....I HAD MY PICTURES TAKEN WITH THE SEALS FOR PETE'S SAKES...HOW COULD I HAVE LOOKED LIKE A DRUG PEDDLER??????
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 20:07:22 ET
Posted by: beth,
....to Manchon D'Oreille.....I like the "fermez votre grande bouche"....ha ha ha ha ha....love it.....yez.
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 19:58:07 ET
Posted by: Beth,
Congrats on your wedding....good times. It's cocktail hour and I'm ready to listen....have you an interesting story to tell....bad day at the job?....a birthday?.....bought a new vehicle?....got some news to share about SD that "only you are in the know" of?....please share....
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 19:30:28 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan in Sweden, Starts with "S"
Will try to get the reviews translated and published this weekend. Just to busy right now.
Let's just say that the reviews have been surprisingly positive about the July 17 gig. Even the flavor-of-the-month critics from the two largest evening newspapers had kind things to say about Steely Dan.
The place was crammed. 10 000 people paid to see the group.
Found only one pic on the net. It features Donald, Walter, Keith and Jim on stage:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070717/ids_photos_en/r632771937.jpg
My own pics - none of the band, just some snaps from the festival and stuff - is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfest_stockholm/
Half a dozen, but could be a few more coming up. Including a reproduction of the newspaper article that mixed up Donald and Walter in a pic.
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 18:28:57 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Lonnie, congratulations on your wedding. - very happy for you!
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 17:10:59 ET
Posted by: Lonnie Zee Kingpin, Lucca, Italia
Hey there ~~
Lonnie of Lucca (and 19 and 65) comin' at cha. The Lucca show is drawing nearer. Cannot wait to enjoy the Dan in a completely new place. So new, in fact, that they have never played there before. It will be incredible. I must say that I feel alot more like I do now than when I first got here.
Lonnie
Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 08:53:02 ET
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Date: Wed, July 18, 2007, 01:12:58 ET
Posted by: angel,
TJ: Thanks for the pictures. I love the "Brezel Logic?" one.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 22:39:57 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
plato, i don't think a lot of dan songs require the research that almost gothic does. but a lot of lines just don't sit quite right, so i felt like looking stuff up. can you explain your problem or how it is a chore? for some reason you seem offended and i don't see why.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 22:32:32 ET
Posted by: this just in, VH1
It's a pleasure to see the rerun of today's Classice Album tonite.
A wonderful surprise to an old old fan who sadly, was unable to make it to a show this season.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 22:23:21 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
To all who posted, thanks for the info about the AJA broadcast. On the west coast it is on VH1 Classic, showing as this is written, and scheduled to repeat at 10:00 PM PDT, so it may also be shown again in other time zones.
GW
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 22:07:56 ET
Posted by: Fife, sunny Florida, eh
Sadly I can't seem to get it. Just some weird show about some heavy metal guy. Good thing I've got the DVD though not here, sigh.
Fife
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 22:05:43 ET
Posted by: Fife, sunny Florida, eh
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 21:28:24 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Pennsylvania
The "AJA" Classic Album series is scheduled for VH1 at 10:00 p.m. EDT tonight.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 20:55:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thanks to you Plato et al., sono perso in il mio pensieri adessso, i meie genitori sono disabled completely. Ti amo, amici, sempre.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 20:31:26 ET
Posted by: Gula Gula a fon cuolo,
CHE CAZZO?
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 19:26:45 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks for the photos, TJ.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 19:24:57 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Cool, P-G! Glad it was a geat time in Stockholm! Thanks!
Jim
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 19:23:47 ET
Posted by: plato, athens
"nobody ever kicks a dead dog"
I can't see the line - I used to think I could read between - Eno
it's a saying
loosely meaning
if you don't really have anything going, nobody criticizes you
so when they come down on you - at least you're not dead yet
for those who put activity into motion
if you accomplish - you'll get criticized
no wonder this crowd is so anal retentive with Dan Lyrics
oh boy
I yearn for the old days of yellow
where lyrical discussions were engaging
not an overly analytical chore
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 19:14:49 ET
Posted by: Socrates, apologies for the confusion
Rajah, a thousand pardons. Not sure what the "dead dog" post had to do with Plato. Actually, I ignored the comment for the most part. Mine was only a reference to Plato AND Socrates both posting here, but it's all Greek to me. Please do not contrue any harm.
I hope there is no lost old pal in the picture, as my dog is sitting here at my feet looking up at me as I type. If so, I would be deeply saddened to hear.
Regards,
S
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 19:01:19 ET
Posted by: Straight from the Danfest, Stockholm, Sweden, "90 minutes from Time Out to My Old"
Stockholm Jazz Festival, July 17
90 minutes
They started 15 minutes early. Rain drizzled down during a couple of songs.
The audience enjoying themselves from the first note.
Band intro
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Hey 19
Peg
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Bodhisattva
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encore: FM
My Old School
Band outro
So how was it?
Tight, relaxed, groovy!
Let's do it again. The sooner the better.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 18:02:35 ET
Posted by: Manchon D'oreille, Plaster of Paris France
Plus cher Rajah,
Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
(I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.)
Fermez votre grande bouche forte.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 16:03:57 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
A few pictures from Steely Dan in Berlin. They are not too sharp, but I hope you'll like them anyway:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10180133@N02/sets/72157600872843358/detail/
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 13:18:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You're going to love it. Hyper-technical as to the musicology but so so very satisfying. I hated to finish it. Bravo Mr. B.
I'm reading a book on Grant Green right now written by his daughter-in-law. Wow, what a life. And like so many of his contemporaries, all too short. Dead at 43.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 13:05:14 ET
Posted by: Glamour Profession, Amsterdam
Thanx to the people who replied about the Aja-book
I just orderd it, and hope to receive it next week.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:45:53 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Thanks "This Just In."
It's news to folks like me that you can catch this on VH1 as well as the DVD. Can run over to the lounge at work and try to catch it.
I watched part of it a couple of weeks ago after reading DB's "33-1/3" "Aja" book.
Someone asked if the book is worth it. Yes, it has some omissions but what I like about it is that it focusses on the music in detail. Will write more later.
Jim
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:45:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Plato & Socrates:
Posting a comment about a dead dog in so close a proximity as my wife's post does not sit well with me, sir. You have my challenge.
italifornia@ca.rr.com
Back the fuck off. Some things are sacred. Not many but but some.
I hope we're cool.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:43:11 ET
Posted by: Eric Hoffer, This one's for you, Plato.........
The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbor as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. WE HATE OTHERS WHEN WE HATE OURSELVES. We are tolerant toward others when we tolerate ourselves. We forgive others when we forgive ourselves. We are prone to sacrifice others when we are ready to sacrifice ourselves.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:29:37 ET
Posted by: Socrates, the great beyond
I drank WHAT?
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:28:00 ET
Posted by: LisaG, @ home for lunch
"Nobody ever erected a statue in honor of a critic."
--attr. to Igor Stravinsky
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:18:02 ET
Posted by: this just in, VH1
Yeah, it might be ten years old, but damn! It's still good.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:15:23 ET
Posted by: plato, athens
donald was straight (no drugs) on mtc
mtc his worse one?
what drugs are you taking?
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:13:04 ET
Posted by: Old News, ....and the bear got you!
This Just In - Wasn't that show 'just in' about ten years ago?
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:11:13 ET
Posted by: Blind, That Day
W. should take more drugs for faster, better tracks.
D. was clean on M.T.C., his worst one!
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:08:15 ET
Posted by: this just in, VH1
The boys are doing the Classic Album show. AJA
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:07:03 ET
Posted by: Janie, Runaway
Thank
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:06:11 ET
Posted by: Blind , That Day
Ur Welcome
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:04:13 ET
Posted by: Janie, Runaway
Sorry, twice
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:03:26 ET
Posted by: Janie, Runaway
F****** S***,
I need some good, fresh things from W. B.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 12:02:46 ET
Posted by: Janie, Runaway
F****** S***,
I need some good, fresh things from W. B.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 11:46:30 ET
Posted by: plato, athens
"no one ever kicks a dead dog"
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 11:18:35 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, OS
"When your critics stop criticizing you, you have ceased to become effective."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
G
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 09:16:43 ET
Posted by: angel,
Deacon: Thanks so much for the translation. That is a nice review.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 08:53:14 ET
Posted by: wormtom, nola
north sea jazz - glad to see such a strong reception and review
did anyone go to this one?
my favorite bassist - the late Niels Henning Ormsted Pederson used to play with virtually everyone at that fest
back to Almost Gothic
It's kind of like the opposite of an aerial view
this is the coolest line in the song
an aerial view is expansive - overlooking, thrilling
you see it all at once
with the foursquare element - you are tied to the bed
the view looking upward in this dungeon of desire is let's just say compelling - you don't know what's coming next
Jack Hayford is a well known and gifted pastor in LA area if I recall
this isn't some big movement or underground element
the boys just used a word association
there isn't some secret past with this Aime gal
more a hey female pastor / female madamn that's all
there isn't some deeper meaning there
some jones cult with koolaid or comets
personally the most sexually charged lyrically surpressed dan song is I got the news
spanish kissing indeed
the boys wouldn't even touch it on the Aja Making of Classic album series
personally I'm bummed that one came out so early
other discs have gobs of outtake interviews and bonus'
~
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 06:31:32 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
ABSOLUTE TRIUMPH OF STEELY DAN IN ROTTERDAM
Glamour: Thanks for the link to that famous quality newspaper "De Volkskrant". It seems Steely dan was on his top in Rotterdam.
I made an effort and tried to translate that review about their pasage at the North sea Jazz Festival (NSJF)on saturday 14th of july.
So here i go:
STEELY DAN GREAT ON THE SECOND DAY OF NORTH SEA JAZZ FESTIVAL
"What a night" were the enthousiastic words from Donald fagen.An enthousiasm that everyone was sharing with him because Steely dan was doing a historical concert at that moment
On stage we saw a extremely strong orchestra. Fagen said he never played with such a brilliant musicians. Well, he didn't lie and the sound was impecable.
The performance of the four hornplayers, two female backgroundsingers and guitarplayer Jon Herrington were in perfect harmony with Walter Beckers guitar and Donald fagens electric piano, melodica and vocals.
Fagens voice is exactly like you hope it should be and such as everyone's remembering it from the seventiesrecords Pretzel Logic and Aja.
And what a difference with the to gentle and smooth performence from 7 years ago in the same Ahoy hall. Not only the setlist is better now, but fagen and Becker are also enjoying so much the brilliance of their musicians that it brings both to higher level.
Hey 19 (with great trombonesolo), Peg, Josie and Dirty Work (sang by the ladies) sounds so clear and perfect. During Peg, almost the whole public was thinking and pretending to play Herringtons guitar!
But highlight of the night was without a doubt "Aja" from the identic album. Fagen said very carefully: "we're going to try to do this complex song" . Remember it was legend Wayne Shorter who did that phenomenal saxophonepart on Aja. Walt Weiskopf and the whole rythmsection had to give the best of themselves to try to let raise "Aja" on the same level. The whole band was just great and never missed one single note.
We were living a very special and great moment when Becker began to presents the bandmembers and finally was introducing his partner and friend: Mister Donald fagen.
VERY RARELY IN THE NORTH SEA JAZZ HISTORY AN ARTIST RECEIVED SO MUCH APPLAUDISEMENTS AND SUCH A LONG STANDING OVATION.
AND VERY RARELY NO ONE ARTIST DESERVES IT SO MUCH AS DONALD FAGEN.
This review is one of the most beautiful i ever read in the press.
North Sea Jazz is not easy to do for an artist. The critics are sometimes very hard, cruel and severe. Ask Amy Winehouse and Sly from the family Stone.
So if you leave NSJ with so much glory and fame as Steely Dan did this year, well that means something!!
CONGRATULATIONS DONALD AND WALTER AND OF COURSE THE ENTIRE BAND.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2007, 03:30:54 ET
Posted by: pagoda of funn, netherlands
Nice review in a Berlin newspaper of their concert (in german)
http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2007/07/17/feuilleton/911012.html
See also the announcement of the concert:
http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2007/07/15/tagestipps/910735.html
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 20:50:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm buyin all that.
"Sloe-eyed creature in the reckless room." The dictionary informs that "sloe" is the small, sour fruit of the blackthorn, a member of the rose family. Hmm, I see dark bobbed hair, dark eyes with an evil squint, alabaster skin, whippet thin and a gait that makes you think she's hovering just inches above the rug.
The character study is pretty darn specific here. She the next in a long line of bad news babes that Mr. Steely Dan just can't seem to avoid. She's changeable, impulsive, she's judgmental, she's wicked and manipulative. Works for me. The opposite of an arial view. He's staring up her dress, no? "Thrilling and new," is comical; isn't that lifted from the theme to The Love Boat. Yeah it is, no, eciting and new, OK so close enough for jazz.
The horns are so breezy and carefree. Unlike the lady. What a great ending, sort just shimmering away.
I think of the Duke's aria in Rigoletto, the famous La Donna e Mobile lyric. Let's review that:
Woman is changeable
Like a feather in the wind,
She changes her voice — and her mind.
Always sweet,
Pretty face,
In tears or in laughter, — she is always lying.
Always miserable
Is he who trusts her,
He who confides in her — his unwary heart
Yet one never feels
Fully happy
Who on that bosom — does not drink love!
An inartful translation but you get the point.
This and Negative Girl are bookends in the mold of Peg and Josie.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 18:14:40 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
that works mighty fine. that line in the song is definitely walter and donald's own little insert/interpretation of the protagonist. i like how it combines the "newest craze" idea of Eva with the underground mystique of the bleecker street of old. can definitely see how D&W would make that analogy.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 18:01:23 ET
Posted by: Chinese cashier, yuan me
Courtesy of http://www.steelydandictionary.com
Bleecker Street--A street in New York City, which runs roughly east-west through the Greenwich Village area of Manhattan. Bleecker Street is best known for being the home of "Beat" poetry and a breeding ground for acoustic singer-songwriters back in the 1960s.
A troubador reference perhaps? Lots of rapping imagery can be conjured up there.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 17:18:13 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
I'm working on gospel [GOSPEL IS THE FIRST BIG CLUE, I.E. International Church of the Foursquare Gospel]
time these days
(The summer - this could be the cool part of the summer)
The sloe-eyed creature in the reckless room she's so severe
A wise child walks right out of here [ YOU CANNOT DENY HOW WELL "WISE" WORKS WITH RESPECT TO DISMISSING EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA. THERE IS NO ENIGMA TO A WHOREHOUSE- YOU KNOW WHAT IS UP- YOU DON'T GO OUT OF CURIOSITY. HOWEVER, TO HEAR A NEW PHILOSOPHY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. THAT SITS MUCH BETTER. EITHER WAY, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS, BUT IMO IT'S ANOTHER HINT TOWARDS THE EVANGELIST SIDE OF THINGS.]
I'm so excited I can barely cope
I'm sizzling like an isotope
I'm on fire so cut me some slack
[CHORUS:]
First she's way gone then she comes back
She's all business then she's ready to play
She's almost gothic in a natural way [REINFORCES THE DOUBLE ENTENDRE- NOT PARTIAL TO ANY SIDE OF THE DUEL MEANING AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. EITHER SEXUAL EXCITEMENT OR THE EXCITEMENT LIKE THAT OF RELIGIOUS REVIVALS WHICH I AM SURE YOU KNOW OF. THE CHOICE OF THE WORD "GOTHIC" IS INTERESTING THOUGH AND ONE I NEED TO LOOK FURTHER INTO- MAYBE HE'S REFERENCING THE DARK ARCHITECTURE]
This house of desire is built foursquare [COME ON MAN, DO YOU STILL REALLY THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT SEX?? House, foursquare!!! It's genius combined with your imagery of a bed]
(The city - the cleanest kitten in the city)
When she speaks it's like the slickest song I ever heard
I'm hanging on her every word
As if I'm not already blazed enough
She hits me with the cryptic stuff
That's her style - to jerk me around [HILARIOUS-GREAT DOUBLE ENTENDRE. YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THOUGH THERE IS A BIT MORE FOCUS ON HER SPEECH RATHER THAN THE OTHER STUFF SHE DOES]
[CHORUS:]
First she's all feel then she cools down
She's pure science with a splash of black cat [ANOTHER INTERESTING LINE THAT FITS SO WELL WITH THE DEEPER MEANING WE PROPOSE]
She's almost gothic and I like it like that
This dark place so thrilling and new
It's kind of like the opposite of an aerial view
Unless I'm totally wrong
I hear her rap and brother it's strong [IT'S GOSPEL BROTHA!! IT'S THAT REVIVAL CHURCH STUFF!!!]
I'm pretty sure that what she's telling me is mostly lies
But I just stand there hypnotized
I'll just have to make it work somehow
I'm in the amen corner now
It's called love - I spell L -U- V
[CHORUS:]
First she's all buzz then she's noise-free
She's bubbling over then there's nothing to say
She's almost gothic in a natural way
She's old school then she's like young
Little Eva meets the Bleecker Street brat [I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT B. STREET BRAT, BUT LITTLE EVA WAS THAT GIRL WHO STARTED THAT CRAZE WITH THAT LOCOMOTION SONG- FITS SO WELL WITH AIMEE!!!]
She's almost gothic but it's better than that
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 16:52:04 ET
Posted by: George, Paris
A new one for me - I've provoked ire on the Blue.
Wormtom - I miss much, to be sure. I'd never heard of the angle Gretchen brought up until I read her post, but I liked it - it clicked. Take what you will from a Dan lyric; you'll get no argument from me. I'm just babbling in the back room all night, wasting time.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 16:47:07 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
worm, you're missing the whole beauty of it. we all realized immediately the sexual undertones of the song. in fact they aren't even undertones. they're blatantly obvious- and that is pretty darn weak for SD. the whole song is a double entendre- it's a whole parallel between that evangelist scene and the OBVIOUS immediate sexual facade. how the heck does that suck the joy out of it for you?
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 16:32:44 ET
Posted by: worm, nowhere
george and gretchen
the foursquare may be a double entendre trivial element from obscurity, so(don and walt use the internet like anyone else)
but the main foursquare refer to the bedposts of our little protagonists liar
still I remain tied to a different mast
like Western World or Gone to the Movies
the use of uplifting words with underlying seedy underbellies is all these guys are about
you guys take it to the extreme and suck all the joy out of it
I wonder just how much of the obvious stuff you miss in your quest for microprecision
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 16:28:04 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Wormtom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Church_of_the_Foursquare_Gospel
I know wikipedia isn't the best source but that is the quickest way I can find you the information (I doubt kids will be corrupting that one due to lyrical interpretations of a dan song). A link to Aimee's page is on that page, too.
It's CLEAR as day once you do the tiniest bit of research. For sure, one of the best double meanings Fagen and Becker have ever created. Yes, they do try and write the songs so that they can have multiple meanings, but they start with an idea. For those that don't wanna search, it's a simple song of seduction. But never underestimate them, they aren't that cheap. What a BALLSY (no pun intended) parallel though! I love them!
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 16:23:26 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
After watching the clips from the Sunset-Sunside set in Paris
(Thanks for the link BTW), it's clear to see that Jon has a VOX
BOX with him on this tour. Why in the hell isn't he pulling that
bad boy out during "Haitian"??????
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 15:38:10 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris (alas, Texas)
Wormtom - after reading Gretchen's post, I was so excited I could barely cope. Then you ask her "Where's the evidence," and now I'm sizzling like an isotope. The whole thing is surely obscure enough to have enticed our heroes. She's on fire - cut her some slack.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 15:35:32 ET
Posted by: :>, treetop laptop
Thanks TJ, TK Your post is of interest! :>~
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 15:31:33 ET
Posted by: Raven, treetop laptop
Right good posts. thx deacon and so many others, right here right now!
On that North Sea Jazz article--more recognition: Mind you the translator is not all inclusive--a few cut and pastes from link to left in Dutch article: (The tightest orchestra and the slackest chats) here using Babel webpage translator:
The cheapest cd’s: Fame. Goeie Blue Note and Steely Dan for five euro. Outrageous.
The best outfit: Donald Fagen van Steely Dan. Nondescripte narrow grey trousers and red ochre line jacket with straight shoulders, vaalgroen t-shirt, green All-Star gympen and zonnebril with red montuur.
Tightest orchestra: Steely Dan and the Lincoln Center jazz Orchestra of Wynton Marsalis go up right. Steely Dan win by the indispensable added value: tangible speelplezier. [wow, what's a tangible speelplezier?] hehe
-< -<
-< -< Later, Raven
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 15:17:15 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, <----
Just making phone calls here today (i'm in sales) and heard East St. Louis Toodle-Oo while on hold!!!
Now back to your regularly scheduled concert comments!
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 13:41:53 ET
Posted by: wormtom, topsoil
Did any of you purchase this book about Aja?
Steely Dan's Aja - By Don Breithaupt
http://www.amazon.com/Steely-Dans-Aja-33-3/dp/0826427839
didn't stop there
great read on Aja
only sins are those of omission
I would have liked to see more detail on the lyrical end
like Oleanders Geisha dialog
long but not long enough
please don't stop there
do yourself a favor
his two 70's books with his brother are priceless
he gets it, is humorful
the chapter on corporate rock had me pissy my pants, honest
Precious and Few (early 70's)
Night Moves (late 70's)
amazon them now
and thank me later
gretchen - where's your evidence on foursquare?
hard to be absolute with D& W lyrical association dear
see the geisha on that one
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 13:35:30 ET
Posted by: gimt, right
gimt
top ten reasons Carolyn Leonhart Escoffery deserves chocholate on her birthday ~ oh paris' madmoiselle
11. overseas and can't have reed hubby Wayne
10. already overdid the cuervo and the fine columbian,
oops wrong decade
9. her pixaleen virtual reality clone can't have any
8. it's a new8thday - so why not
7. bare midriff is concealled in a pregger, duffs the word
(thanks brits' on that one)
6. compensation for all brother michael's road antics
after she deficated in his trumpet mute
5. don and walt making up for lost time for
acting like she and vicki were their bimbo babes
in the limo in the plush vid
4. after tracking her almighty ass through seven heaven worlds
slinky redfoot found it easier to bait with the brown stuff
3. first trimester and it won't even show
2. don and walt nothing, those guys are cheap forgetful putzes,
the road manager and three goffers are fully responsible
or would have never heard the end of it
1. to balance out that other chocolate heaven on stage
miss cindy mizelle
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 12:29:06 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, OS
Well, in Almost Gothic, "foursquare" is referencing the Foursquare Gospel Church, founded by early 20th-century U.S. evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson. AG is probably based on Mcpherson, and you see themes of religious fervor throughout, as in "Liiving on gospel time," "Amen Corner", and the "foursquare" line. IMHO, or whatevah.
G
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 11:09:29 ET
Posted by: Me, Here
There actually is a degree of connection between Aimee Semple McPherson and Steely Dan...can anyone illustrate?
There's your Brain Twister or whatevah for the week.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 11:08:26 ET
Posted by: Glamour Profession, Amsterdam
Some very good reviews on the saturday gig in some Dutch (quality) newspapers; De Volkskrant and NRC Handelsblad
Some short quotes: Good vibe, tight orchestra, great crowd, and it's even called a legendary concert.
Exactly how i felt about saturday.
Dutch article:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/kunst/article445131.ece/Steely_Dan_groots_op_tweede_dag_North_Sea_Jazz
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 07:11:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Steely Dan – Berlin report
Venue: Zitadelle. Audience: approx. 2000. The fortress which is the oldest remaining structure in Berlin was the perfect place for an intimate outdoor concert. The sound was spotless and you could hear all 12 band members perfectly clear. Unfortunately the crowd was a little slow, maybe due to the temperature of 30+ degree Celsius. People didn't really get up until the last song.
Donald: He opened with: "Hallo Kinder". Big laughs. He's seems to become more and more cool and confident on the stage and at the same time acting mysterious and intriguing. He's really taking control and one could actually hear him playing the Rhodes as well as the added melodica. Great. His voice was really good though he tend to cut a lot of sentences a bit short.
Walter: His playing is a lot more aggressive that earlier. Nice attacks on some of the solos and less over all noodeling. Probably shouldn't sing Divorce but something else. He told his Tequila-story with: "you bring your bratwurst" and "your Deutch Mark or whatever kinda money you used back then". Very funny, charming and eloquent!
Keith Carlock. Wow! The rumours were true. The guys is a monster. His grooves are perfect and everything he does seems interesting. Great sounding drum set. Close to stealing the show at times. I'm so impressed!!!
The others: I like Herington but he seems to be making it hard for himself, trying difficult things instead of just playing it melodic, as he should with Walter as the subtle player. Maybe he's been in the band to long playing the same solos? Jeff Young was great and the Hammond B3 sounded fantastic. The horn section was tight and the girls hot and vibrant. Great band!
Highlights: Best version of Babylon Sisters I've ever heard. Carlock really nailed it. Two Against Nature turned out to be a perfect live song. Carlock amazing… Again. So great. The over all sound. Don and Walters relaxed attitude - they were truly enjoying it.
Lowlights: The beer drinking audience. No Deacon B. or Black Cow.
Setlist – Berlin (the show lasted from 8.15 – 22.15. 16 songs):
Intro
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Two Against Nature
Bad Sneakers
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Bodhisattva
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
+
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Outro
Date: Mon, July 16, 2007, 05:31:52 ET
Posted by: Glamour Profession, Amsterdam
Did any of you purchase this book about Aja?
Steely Dan's Aja - By Don Breithaupt
http://www.amazon.com/Steely-Dans-Aja-33-3/dp/0826427839
When you have Brian Sweet's "reeling in the years" and the Making of Aja-DVD, is it worth to purchase this book for interesting information?
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 23:43:41 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Hate to ruin it for you guys, but the real answer to ALMOST GOTHIC:
Aimee Semple McPherson
Don and Walt are complete geniuses.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 18:38:49 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Another great artist on the Dutch tv: Chano Dominguez from Spain.
So to Spanish latino people who are reading the Blue Book a little clarification.
Chano Dominguez es un pianisto viviendo en Cadiz en el sur de Espana.
Era un musico de Flamenco famoso en los anos seicenta. En los seventies, el empezaba a escuchar la musica jazzfusion.
25 anos despues podemos considerale como el pionero del Flamencojazz. Tremendo difficultad de mezclar el Flamenco y el Jazz?
No hay muchas cosas parecidas en los dos stylos de musica.
Asi estoy consejando los fanaticos dde la musica espanol y la del Jazz que si jamas este hombre pasa en tu barrio, vale la pena de ver este artisto.
Traduction? Other time please , they are giving Raul Midos on tv now
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 18:16:41 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Third day of the North Sea Jazz festival is going to his end.
Highlights today were Omette Coleman, Toots Thielemans, Chick Corea & Gary Burton, Wynton Marsalis, Dave Holland Quintet, Joshua Redman, Mike Stern, Candy Dulfer, Sly and the Family Stone, Snoop Dogg, Randy Brecker and Elvis Costello.
They are giving livereports just right now at the Dutch tv.
I already saw : Candy Dulfer : that's the real girlpower!
Wynton Marsalis : respect for this legend
Sly and the Family Stone: not exactly the kind of music i was listening during the seventies but i've had to admit that this 64 year old fireworkman still got the funk in his body.
Snoop Dogg: He pretends that jazzlovers generally are listening to his music because his Gangsterrap is extremely melodious. i'm a jazzlover but Snoop Dog or other rapmusic? No thank you, nothing for me!
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 17:48:21 ET
Posted by: gee, here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iRX1AQ35hk
sorry, this is a bassist you just gotto hear and see: Chico Huff.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 14:35:09 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
LisaG - I'm with you. I didn't really "get" Krantz until I saw him with Jon H. at the Fagen show in D.C. (the ONLY show, by the way where the song "Morph the Cat" was played!!!) Actually I saw him play with SD in '96 at Va. Beach and didn't really feel then that he was a good fit. His playing was obviously technically great but I felt that some of his solos were a bit "outside" if you know what I mean. Since then I've come to appreciate his tone and attack. It's really kind of unique.
There's no doubt that what he and Herington did on Morph is just absolutely outstanding.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 14:33:08 ET
Posted by: This just in! Must see TV, Europe
Two songs from Michael Leonhart and Jon Herington show at the Sunset Sunside Jazzclub in Paris July 11 can be seen here:
http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/2007/07/michael-leonhar.html
Plus an interesting 15 minute interview in two parts with Michael & Jon.
Hey, does that that drummer, the bassplayer and the backup singers look familiar to you?
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 12:06:00 ET
Posted by: LisaG, there's no one to fire upon
Arne—I think it’s a combination of the hall and the sound people. Each place has its own set of unique challenges, but as has been said over and over ad nauseum on this site, there is a definite problem with the bass instruments—especially static between bass and the kick drum.
DEACONBLUE—The “Goodbye Look” on the Fagen tour was my least favorite song, although I love the studio track. However, I fell in love with “Third World Man” from the same tour. So…I guess some musicians can’t be all things to all styles. I would love to see Wayne Krantz with SD alongside Herington, as well. The dude crafts every line he plays with such fervor and soul. I never was a fan of his until I saw him live with Fagen.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 10:33:59 ET
Posted by: Arne, Rotterdam
For those of you who attended one of the recent shows: listen to Time out of Mind on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G1tRCfMNxc) and then remember how this was played in Brussels or Rotterdam. It almost made me cry... the way they played back then (the duet between Donald and Walter at the end)... Well, I guess we will just have to enjoy what we get today, and not think too much...
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 09:31:22 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
Hey Not My Nancy!! You're Gaucho's dad, well, kind of...you suggested to name the critter Gaucho and so i did, he's almost 6 now and crazy as a smooth fox can be. He keeps my parents young and makes them forget all about what ails them :-) Nice to see you around again. Now i wonder about Midnite Cruiser and his long long hair :-)
Haven't been to Rotterdam due to work obligations. But glad to hear it was a good show. I stumbled upon the Incognito message board (very very good band too!) and some of the folks were kind enough to share their Steely take: here it is:
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i`ve been there at steely dan concert in stuttgart. what can I say, I have no words...
What an incredible evening. Donald and Walter came together with an absolute fantastic band. 4 horns, 2 backing vocalists, a second guitarist, second keyboarder, super bassman and with a drummer who blown the crowd away !
They played some songs of their newer albums "everything most go" and "two against nature" before they came to their all time hits ! Hey Nineteen, Josie, PEG, Bodhisatva, Old School and so on.
They were soooo cool ! The audience gave them standing ovations. They are so good, esspecially live ! I´ve been at Frankfurt in 2000 for the Y2K-Tour. We were waiting 7 years to see them again. We hope, we don`t have to wait seven years again !
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 08:50:27 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
Here's a poster for tonight's show...
http://www.citadel-music-festival.de/konzerte/steely_dan.jpg
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 08:17:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...no opening act in Berlin tonight...SD goes on at 8PM...just updated at SD.com
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 06:42:46 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Hello my dear friends in the waiting room, how are you both? It's been a long time.
Arne: For the most of all concerts happening in Forest National the sound can be better. Does it depend of soundtechnicians? Sure, but at NSJ they hust have the best.
So finally Herrington did some decent solos. I'm glad to here that. That's what i missed in Brussels and Paris. Jon is be able to bring Sd songs to another level.
And what about Keith? I don't know what to think about him. Should we give him some more credit?
I remember last years Donald Fagen solotour where he brought "Third World Man to another dimension and where he did really some very great things. But he almost screwed up "The Goodbye Look" that has been saved by that phenomenal guitarduo challenge between Jon Herrington and Wayne Krantz.
What i saw last year in Don's solotour was practicely the same band as Steely dan now. The only difference was that, there were only two hornplayers (Michael & Walt) and Wayne playing guitar in stead of Walter. The way the Donald Fagen Band sounded, that's the way i like to hear Steely Dan. And yes why not with three guitar players. Walter doing the acoustic stuff while Wayne and Jon can express themselves completely. That would give some more creativity!
Oh yeah,actually we were talking about Keith. Maybe we can compare it with the German and Brazilian footballteam. The German one plays powerfootball while the Brazilian one plays technically highstanding football full of creativity. I guess Keith belongs to the first category.
Raul Midon. Who the hell is this guy and from which planet does he comes?? He stande all alone on stage only with the company of his guitar. He's an orchestra on his own. Yes, he did the beats,chords, percussion and even the horns on his own. He's really fantastic!
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 06:04:48 ET
Posted by: Oh no!, The waiting room
Arne - you're a brave man.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 05:31:33 ET
Posted by: Arne, Rotterdam
OK, about last night @ NSJ: if it taught us one thing, it is that bad acoustic characteristics of a concert hall do NOT exist. There are only bad sound technicians. NSJ took place in huge concrete halls with iron roofs, no acoustic padding, and the sound was just perfect. No matter where you were in the hall. So no excuses for Forest National.
A few observations, comparing Brussels with Rotterdam:
finally a few decent guitar solos from Jon Herrington (especially in Boddhisatva)
horn section was very good in chain lightning
and - sorry for Keith's fans - Carlock just doesn't do it for me: no subtle changes, no "Purdie shuffle" and I am afraid he does not even have the talent for it. Just straightforward hammering.
But overall an almost perfect concert.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 03:35:00 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
There's this small characteristic about Donald's Rhodes playing that has always stuck out for some reason. I'm referring to the way he does a staccato stab of a chord followed by a brief pause between the next chord which is held for a quarter note or longer. He does it quite often. I've heard it done in other songs but it always reminds me of Donald. So whenever I hear it in a song I just see huge letters appearing in front of me that says DONALD FAGEN.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2007, 01:48:50 ET
Posted by: I do believe, Raul Midon opened for Joe Jackson, on his last tour
Hey DEACON
Did Raul Midon use an acoustic guitar and beat on it in different spots to create bongo sounds and other percussion to accompany his guitar playing and singing? I had never seen anything like this guy.
He is kind of like a one man band, he'll strum or pick with his right hand, play a chord, beat on the body of the guitar, change chords, then make some percussion sound with his voice. And make it all work. He also manages to create a back beat by slapping the guitar strings with his right hand and noodling on the fret with his left hand.
Midon is like a Bobby McFerrin/Al Jarreau vocalist, percussionist and George Benson/Lee Ritenour jazz guitarist rolled into one and does it simultaneously! No?
Midon is but another example of a very talented guy who probably won't make it big and sell lots of records but at least he is getting some top level gigs. And no less a musical giant than the incomparable Joe Jackson at least acknowledges it!
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 19:26:40 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Glamour profession from Amsterdam.
Brussels was just great but you're right saying the sound can be better. Like i always told, Forest national doesn't have a good acoustic reputation. But the concert was just great, i can assure you that.
And the crowd? Well there's just one and unique Jazzfestival in the world, called North sea Jazz! Artists can always give more of themselves overthere. So what you're saying surely must be true.
I've been 3 times to the NSJF but never to Rotterdam but that cannot change the souln and spirit of this three days gig.
Unfortunately this year i'm not be able to go so my first Rotterdan will be maybe next year.
I just saw at the Dutch Tv a resumation of this second day, but no Steely Dan. But i saw Larry Carlton jamming his guitar with Robben Ford and that makes a lot good.
I saw that new Mexican New York and blind phenomen Raul Midon. Jesus, if you excists, when did you made that one. He's really extraordinary. During his gig he did a duo with India Arie and later in the night he did his thing during Indias concert. That was something ...it's difficult to discribe but there was enough magic in the air to let fall a tear. Remember that name folks: RAUL MIDON.
Gina, i'm sure you were there tonight in Rotterdam , so i hope you had the opportunity to see this guy.If you still there at this moment, well ...enjoy it!
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 18:46:05 ET
Posted by: Glamour Profession, Amsterdam
Just got back from Steely Dan @ NSJ
Much better than last monday in Brussels.
much better sound, and the atmosphere in the crowd was much better.
Was a bit dissapointed after monday (not by the band) but Rotterdam was everything I hoped for and just as much fun as 7 years ago.
Setlist was almost the same as Brussels, but no 2vsNature, and babylon Sisters, but with Chain lightning (sick horn arrangement) and Bodishatva as an encore instead of FM+ My old Skool
Unfortunatly no Larry Carlton at the Steely Dan show.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 16:35:06 ET
Posted by: Meyer Wolfsheim,
It appears our dear Larry has the least stylish eyeglasses in the pavillion.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 15:27:25 ET
Posted by: Bob, cause I care
Anybody have the North Sea set list and the Carlton answer?
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 13:56:29 ET
Posted by: Rae Lee,
Hello Steely Dan Babies!
The songs went something like this yesterday at Stuttgart
Intro music
Time Out of Mind
Godwacker
Bad Sneaker
Hey 19
Peg
Green Earrings
Josie with Band intro
Kid Charlemagne
Dirty Work led by girls
Boddhisttva
Aja
Encore was FM & My Old School plus band played on
Was a beautiful evening cut short only by a 10:30 curfew.
Hey Mr Steely Dan! Can we do this again?
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 13:23:03 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Newark, try the following radiolink: www.omroep.nl/live/nieuw-concertzender-bb.asx
Gina gave this one earlier in the afternoon. It brings you right where you have to be. Succes.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 12:49:12 ET
Posted by: Newark, North Sea Program Online
I'm getting some stuff from the North Sea Jazz Festival Rotterdam--I'm clipping along about 10 mbs on this site:
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=3108541
and the video feed is working around 75 percent good. I think I'll try the internet radio: links given here below. Thanks for links you all.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 12:22:34 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Hollywood's been good to me
angel—Those two nights blur into one for me as it was, OVER SIX YEARS AGO. My goodness. I can still hear Bob Tedde singing “Gaucho” like a lullaby. He had me at the first note. Someday I’ll make it out to San Diego. I am envious that you got to see Dean Parks with them, too. Woo hoo.
Basic—That was wonderful fun. Randall’s face is priceless. What a neat little opening and closing dialogue. It’s obvious that these guys love to play. Randall is awfully creative but in an understated way. His second chorus was titillating. And to think, I hate blues. :-P Thanks for the link to drink my coffee to. :-D Funny, Randall’s UKyoutube profile says only one thing: “Steely Dan's legendary guitarist, on YouTube.” Guess that’s...his...claim to fame, although he’s done so much session and studio work, it hardly seems to be enough of a description.
Enimen—When I saw your post, I nearly fainted. Been thinking about you, bro. I STILL have your Peg chart from the drunken street performance of yore, but let's not talk about that too much... That was the day me and DaddyG (well one of them) had visited the WTC and were miserable after standing in line for several hours only to meet fog at the top. But in retrospect, I’m glad we actually got up there since later that year, well... Carlton’s new stuff never struck me as deep and yes I agree that his playing is worth a little meatier material. But I know plenty of terrific musicians who write things that lack luster yet burn on other peoples’ stuff. I would love to see him play with SD again. Wasn’t there some sort of rift between them at one point? Or maybe I dreamed that? By the way, be careful being critical of ANYONE who has ever played or currently plays with SD on here. Some of the fandom don’t take that too well. ;-)
Hutch—An unplugged coffee-house set of SD? Hmm, I’m making up my wish-list as we speak. Dr. Wu would be awesome acoustically—it’s fun with just piano—I almost submitted that to the yellow’s second to last compilation, but alas...no recording equipment here. They could also do Pearl of the Quarter, What a Shame About Me, of course most stuff from the first album... I’m starting to daydream again.
Rick--a similar thing happened to Bobby Darin at least according to the movie, Beyond the Sea. Although his Jesus was politics. The people wanted to hear the old stuff and he was all in this new direction that was just not happening musically, although lyrically, he became very deep, almost Dylanesque. Some folks just go through life changes that forever modify their work. Billy Joel used to be one of my favorite song-writers, until he married a supermodel and then began writing schlock. Hasn’t been the same ever since.
Hi Lady Fife—yes they were from Citrus. I have a few shots—the camera settings were off but you can make out the people. :-) I will certainly send you what I’ve got. I hope someone else took some photos because I think I only got a few people...not everyone. Hope everything goes well with your Dad.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 12:02:41 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
CBS: Actualy i was not talking for myself but i saw it more as a suggestion for those who'll be in Rotterdam tonight. Unfortunately i won't be there. My next rendez-vous with SD are Bonn & Lucca.
Maybe the Italians will put some Hindu kush in their pizza's.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 10:53:42 ET
Posted by: Fife, Florida, eh
Lisa G are those photos from Citrus? Being wrapped up with meeting everyone I didn't even think to pull out the ole digital and would love to have any that you might have. I'm currently in FLA helping to looking after my poor old Dad and would love any distraction. My e-mail is where it should be on here.
Thanks
Fife
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 10:47:16 ET
Posted by: angel,
NOt My Nancy!!!!! :-)
2 hours to go and we find out if Carlton makes a guest appearance at the Steely Dan show.
Some of my best moments are when a guest makes an appearance. I saw Dean Parks at Universal once and he added that unmistakable sound, to what was already a great encore. Icing on the cake.
I would have loved to see Howard Levy do the harmonica, during
the Donald Fagen Band tour in '06.
...and Denny doing his solo in Bodhisatvah? That would be Heaven!
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 10:09:56 ET
Posted by: Cover Band Sam, W1purple?
"Well, the coffee houses are an alternative tonight"
DEACONBLUE - Alternative? What are you nuts? ! I'd give me right arm to be with you tonight! Smoking the best Hindu Kush in the world!! Go to the coffee houses damn it! Do it for me!
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 10:00:16 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, Back in BRUSSELS
Well, the coffee houses are an alternative tonight.
Dirk: Were you in Stuttgart? Than if you've a little bit time, please tell us a little bit more about the show.
I'll bet Haitian Divorce will be replaced tonight by Slang of Ages.
For the nothern Europeans between us, just this: Tonight at 22.50h on the Dutch Tv, they are going to broadcast a part of 3 NSJF concerts of today. Names unknown until the start of the program.
Steely Dan? Who knows ?
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 09:59:53 ET
Posted by: Rick, Washington, D.C.
NMN - After LC got shot twenty years ago and lived to tell about it a lot of his material got soft. I remember seeing him on his first tour after the incident. Between songs he was talking a lot about Jesus Christ. I guess a gun shot to the neck might change a persons outlook on things.
Hutch - No need to travel. Plenty of Coffee houses in Rotterdam!
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 08:46:52 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
I wonder if WB will get over to the coffee houses in Amsterdam. Only about 30 miles away from Rotterdam. Who knows.. the whole band might be over there munching on hash cakes even as I type! Could make for an interesting set.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 07:14:28 ET
Posted by: NMN, Procrastinationopolis
Beaming in on the Larry Carlton thread (hi LG & angel, remember me?)
Can I be honest here?
I have seen LC a couple times live and I have a couple of his solo discs, not to mention discs of stuff where he was central to calling the artistic shots like Crusaders, Fourplay, etc. I find him completely baffling as an artist because of this:
His playing is SO good, and his taste is SO bad. His solo stuff runs to completely forgettable smooth jazz, almost nursury rhymey dreck. I don't know how a guy can lay down such ingenious, deep, nuanced, exciting stuff as his solos in KC, New Frontier, Third World Man, etc, and then turn around and record Smiles and Smiles to Go.
I guess he just needs Don & Walt to keep him real, yo. I'll bet he would be GREAT on the tour and I would exchange all my frequent flier miles to see him with the Dan again.
(As the exception that proves the rule, I love LC disc No Substitutions with Steve Lukather. I think Lukather makes LC edgy enough to keep him interesting. Great, long, trippy cover of Jeff Beck's The Pump)
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 03:32:43 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Lisa G:
Think you might appreciate this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oYGbnDs8DMI
Enjoy
Date: Sat, July 14, 2007, 00:31:29 ET
Posted by: angel,
Lisa G: It was The Steely Damned where we met. I was at the first night but didn't connect with anyone.
I loved Elliott doing Reelin'. :-)
Here's his website. http://www.elliott-randall.com/
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 20:57:23 ET
Posted by: LG, Are you Catherine of the Tears?
Rajah--You never disappoint. May I be your set-up man? Er...person?
angel--Ahhh, my dearest. Welcome to the killing fields. :-P But ditto on the Carlton plays Kid C wish. That would be an obvious choice, and pretty thrilling.
For what it's worth, I love the "reunion" solos concept--some might find it hokey. But remember LBB back in '01? (I think that may have been the night we met.) Elliot Randall on "Reelin'" was pretty darn cool. Yeah, so it wasn't SD at the gig, but still...there was something so right about hearing the solo from him. Incidentally, I can't believe he was the guitarist for Yoko Ono's "Walking on Thin Ice." I used to loathe that song...was a B side for, I think, one of Lennon's Double Fantasy singles. Oddness. Anyway, I wonder what he's doing now... Randall. Not Lennon. =-o
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 20:13:50 ET
Posted by: angel, Wishing I was at the North Sea Jazz Festival
Lisa: Girlfriend, you are killing me here. (I Heart KC) LOL!
--
angel prayers to the Steely ones, to get Carlton to do Kid C. What a total treat that would be!
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Gina: Thanks for the time conversion. I was pretty sure that's what it is, but just wanted confirmation.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 19:56:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Honey, a gentleman never pulls out...unless he is asked.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 19:13:18 ET
Posted by: LisaG, I <heart> KC :-P
Raj—You DO know what they say when you’re sharp?
PULL OUT. :-P
Hmm, being you actually sounds like fun—but the real question is, who would YOU then be? Shout out to the Lady Gretchen. I have some pics of the fest on June 10 for her if she has interest. They aren’t photographical masterpieces due to a few too many libations, but you can recognize the peeps in ‘em. Ahhh, wine can have its way with all of us.
Richard—I totally understand the thing about the cats. My brother has one with opposable thumbs. Too clever for their own good… :-D
Gina and Let the music play— thanks for the skinny on the Northsea. I would give my left arm to hear Fanfare Ciocarlia live. Hope I can listen in. Mike Stern Group and later, Randy Brecker? That might be fun, too. Thanks for the schedule.
Josey—Will do. I need to find out which clubs he’s in next, and I’ll let ya know. That's a heck of a drive, but if you're in the area, you won't be disappointed. The fellow is quite accomplished.
Gypsyqueen—most drummers I know dislike the fact that Stevie Wonder played everything on some of his albums. I think the dude is alright—he shows he can put something nice down everywhere, but a true master of the instrument can only enhance. Ahhh, the wunderkind Tony Williams. Died too, too young, but isn’t that the way things sometimes go with early bloomers?
So this is a karma moment if I ever saw one. ::drum roll:: (Pun intended.)
Today in jazz band, our student set player was absent. So guess who was sitting there reading a “funk” chart? Hahahaha! I was laughing my butt off at this little voice in my head, “Damn you, Keith Carlock fans. You are making me put my money where my mouth is.” It was an easy chart, but I am not that co-ordinated to get anything but bass and snare with some hi-hat just to give them something to play off of. I had a blast, and surprisingly the kids played well despite my “performance.” So there you have it--my big debut. Too bad I can’t post it on here for my many anonymous fans. :-P
Robert—Would be nice to hear that Carlton came up to do a tune or three. I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it. Hopefully someone will post about that date.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 17:27:24 ET
Posted by: Robert, New York
Speaking of the The NORTH SEA JAZZ FESTIVAL. I ran into Pete Fogel last week and we were talking about the Dan. He told me that Donald Fagen was at the Blue Note in NYC a few weeks ago to see Larry Carlton. I asked him if he thought Larry might join SD on stage since they are both on the same bill in the Netherlands. He said "that would be pretty cool" but wouldn't give me an answer if it was definitely going to happen. I hope it does! If anyone on this guestbook goes to this show please give us a report !!!
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:55:59 ET
Posted by: Me again, mfsb tsop
(second try. the nothing-higher-than-12.59-version)
NORTH SEA JAZZ FESTIVAL LIVE BROADCAST
ALL TIMES US ET
Saturday 14 juli 2007
12.30 pm Campbell Brothers (live)
1.00 Raul Paz (live)
2.00 Joe Bonamassa (live)
2.45 Raul Midon (live)
3.30 Larry Carlton Group (live)
4.30 Reunion (live)
Sunday 15 juli 2007
10.30 a.m. Mike Stern Group (live)
12.00 p.m. Candy Dulfer (live)
12.30 Randy Brecker (live)
3.00 Sly & the family Stone (live)
4.15 Fanfare Ciocarlia (live)
Video: http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=3108541
Radio: http://www.omroep.nl/live/nieuw-concertzender-bb.asx
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:49:54 ET
Posted by: Let the music play, The walrus of love"
NORTH SEA JAZZ FESTIVAL LIVE BROADCAST
ALL TIMES US ET
Saturday 14 juli 2007
12.30 pm Campbell Brothers (live)
13.00 Raul Paz (live)
14.00 Joe Bonamassa (live)
14.45 Raul Midon (live)
15.30 Larry Carlton Group (live)
16.30 Reunion (live)
Sunday 15 juli 2007
10.30 a.m. Mike Stern Group (live)
11.45 archief 2003-2006
12.00 p.m. Candy Dulfer (live)
12.30 Randy Brecker (live)
15.00 Sly & the family Stone (live)
16.15 Fanfare Ciocarlia (live)
Video: http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=3108541
Radio: http://www.omroep.nl/live/nieuw-concertzender-bb.asx
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:44:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Margaret - when you say, "constant rotation," it makes my Turban turgid.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:32:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Wow, thanks Gus! And thank you too, Rajah, for all the kind words. I hereby raise my right hand and vow to keep the legend of Steely Dan alive thru mass education, constant rotation, fabulousity, and complete insanity. And a few views of the Modern Drummer '05 DVD :)
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:18:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
"Young Sprite" occurs like 15 times in Shakespear's canon. I only steal from the best.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 16:00:12 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, El Segundo cubicle
Happy belated birthday to Geoff (don't know if we met at Chumash) and of course to Girl Margaret. As the Rajah has intimated below, your generation of Dandom is our legacy; you yourself, our treasure.
GW
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 14:07:45 ET
Posted by: Hey Rajah, .
I had never before heard the term "young sprite" used to describe a woman. This week I read it both from you and a recent Roger Ebert movie review. You channeling him or is it a telltale sign of a great writer?
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 12:51:30 ET
Posted by: ps,
oops. earlier, 6 hours earlier than New York.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 12:50:56 ET
Posted by: gee,
angel, 6 hours or 9 hours. take your pick?
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 12:24:10 ET
Posted by: angel,
Can anyone get a handle on what 1830 (6:30PM) Saturday in Netherlands translates to on the East Coast of the US? Is it 12:30PM?
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 12:15:36 ET
Posted by: W1P, Murietta
Mick Fleetwood is only about 6'6" Hey Middle Europeans, (1) Mike Keneally, Marco Minnemann, & Bryan Beller, August 3, 2007, @ Outreach Festival, Vienna, Austria and (2) Mike Keneally Solo, August 18, 2007 @ OffsideOpen, International New Music Festival, Waldfreibad, Gelderland, Germany. For grins, only
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:50:23 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Düsseldorf
Gina : I remember NPS had some TV broadcasts from the North Sea Jazz Festival in the previous years, showing snippets of some 15-20 minutes from the concerts. But Dutch TV is no longer in the cable televison where I live. They deleted it and now I can watch some stupid shopping channels instead. There was some hope that the Stuttgart concert will be broadcasted on TV, but I asked them and it won't happen. I will attend the Bonn show.
I found an interview in the "Stuttgarter Nachrichten".
Donald Fagen says, that the will play songs they've never
played before.
"Welche Songs werden Sie in Stuttgart spielen? Ein Best of der 70er oder was Neues?"
"Eine Kombination von allem. Wir beginnen mit Songs unserer beiden neuesten Alben. Aber da das Publikum die Klassiker hören will, spielen wir sie natürlich. Und ab und zu wohl auch mal was, was wir nie zuvor gespielt haben."
"What are the songs you will play in Stuttgart ? A "Best of the 70s" or something new ?"
DF : "A combination of everything. We will start with songs from our last two records. But the audience want to listen to the classic songs, so we will play them. AND FROM TIME TO TIME SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE."
I think DF was joking around.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:45:19 ET
Posted by: Carl Rogers,
"Origins of writer's block -
Writer's block can be closely related to depression and anxiety, two disorders that reflect environmentally-caused or spontaneous changes in the brain's frontal lobe."
DF, the more sensitive and vulnerable of the two, would definitely be more susceptable to the above, not WB - his personal background and Germanic nature wouldn't allow it.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:41:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Belated birthday wishes to Girl Margaret Hoops and Geoff
It always amazes me on this STEELY DAN FAN site when some start slamming the Dan.
WTF!! I don’t get it
WB emailed me once but didn't want to talk about music...He wanted to talk about Rajah
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:34:16 ET
Posted by: hoops,
"anywhere but here" ....???
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:22:38 ET
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,
Cats are better than humans.
I LOVE drummers!
Some of my favorites are:
Tony Williams
Steve Gadd
Bernard Purdie
Sheila E.
Stewart Copeland
Any drummer who has played with James Brown or P-Funk
Stevie Wonder-yes,you read that right
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:02:10 ET
Posted by: anywhere but here,
New Countermoon Zine article on DF.com if anyone is interested.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 10:01:00 ET
Posted by: Bill Greer,
http://www.bartleby.com/61/99/J0029900.html
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 09:40:38 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
LisaG - would love to know more about your Bro! I live just an hour south of Savannah and Hilton Head's only 30 minutes further away. Zip me an email please!
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 07:58:31 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
Hallo Dirk, what show will you attend?
The North Sea jazz festival will be broadcast via webradio and webcast via NPS Output and will also devote attention to the presence of Steely Dan. It's all in Dutch, the website, but you can just click and find out where what and when or where. yYou can either listen and also watch.
http://www.omroep.nl/nps/output/nsj/northseajazz2007.html
and also click Radio6
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 06:16:47 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Düsseldorf
Quote from an recent interview with German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung :
There are a lot of websites that painstakingly analyze your music and lyrics. Are you interested in these websites? Have you ever visited a website like www.steelydandictionary.com ?
DF : I had a look once but overall I’m not interested in all these things.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 05:57:09 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Lisa G - nicely put and I always think your comments are excellent - we all have our own views
And as for my girlfriends views - here are a few
1. George Michael is musical God - Roger Federer is her non-musical God
2. Prefab Sprout, Scritti Politti, Hall and Oats, Jeff Buckley and Bryan Ferry are her in her team
3. She hates The Roots (I love them)
4. Thinks Steely Dan have great songs - the lyrics and the melody but thinks they may be a bit too clever for their own good.
5. Thinks cats are better than humans
6. Doesn't understand why I like to buy drum things particularly my Cindy Blackman stick bag - nice and blue and matches my kit (and this board).
7. Is happy to let me go on a week long residential drum course at the beginning of August
8. Now understands why I am taking time out to go to Carlock's clinic in the middle of that week in another part of the country.
9. Prefers Nightfly over all other Dan related stuff particularly The Goodbye Look
10. She top of my class at all times.
Richard
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 03:01:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You are sharp as fucking tack. You tryin to be me?
Please don't ever go away...
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 02:41:50 ET
Posted by: LisaG, yes the car is locked
So thanks to all those peeps who suggested what I do with myself. No, not THAT suggestion. :-P I heeded your advice and gave Carlock a little listen outside of the Dan.
And I have to say that I heard some of what people were talking about regarding him letting loose. I also heard more of the same groove-like approach that was outlined here by another poster.
Thoughts on Carlock, but first…Tal Wilkenfeld is outstanding. Holy hell, that girl can play, and she’s just getting started. You just don’t hear it enough in the mainstream--the bass played like a guitar, melodically with a real sense of line and color with licks and solos, alike. And technically, she can run with any of the big heavies, hands down. Big ears, for sure. Now Carlock does some tasty cymbal work with a quiet energy on the snare on “Truth Be Told.” That’s the creativity I’ve been waiting for. Also, the mix was perfect. I think somebody posted it before, but once again, here’s her link: http://www.myspace.com/talwilkenfeld
Getting back to Carlock...Rudder’s “Sad Clown” was groovalicious—the guy has a great feel all around and puts it right there.
The samples with Sting show Carlock as a real presence on the kit—he’s solid and again, his big talent is in the groove, as if that needs to be said to this audience. :-P I can see why Sting likes him. He. Lays. It. Down. No questions asked. And a bass player can certainly appreciate that.
With Oz Noy, again...it’s all about the groove. He certainly has that sure-footed funky feel. Nothing subtle about this work. I like what he does with the hi-hat in contrast to the bass drum on “Damn This Groove.” Snare seems to echo a lot—is he striking it more in the center for that effect? Yeah, I don’t hear a lot of variation on that snare solo section (just past the guitar solo)—however he knows space and uses it well. Nice to hear that Fig and Lee work together on the outside, as well. They are monsters in their own right. Oz impresses, too.
Carlock reminds me of the quintessential power-drummer: the drum world’s answer to those heady guitarist types like Yngwie Malmsteen—in your face, all-out technical wizards who play their butts off. It’s clear to me why so many drummers (and non-drummers alike) revere him. He certainly has a talent for getting this big-ass sound out of the kit.
It’s funny that someone on here actually got annoyed with this “chick” when she dared to criticize a hero. Understandably. Anyone can talk out of his or her ass very easily in this place—there are no content filters. And if someone is saying something unfavorable about someone you idolize, it’s easy to get a little defensive.
Nope, I’m not a drummer so it may be easy to diss my comments as those of a person who is not in the know. Technically and analytically, I couldn’t hold a candle to a real drummer. Ya’ll can talk about shit that the rest of us never dreamed of. But the thing is…musicians are musicians no matter what they play. And the best ones can make connections from one axe to another. Those connections are the secret to success.
I may be tough on Carlock, I’ll give you that. Why? I grew up listening to one of the tastiest drummers I have ever known. And I remember the days when he was up in the attic trying out these funk and jazz grooves at 10 years old. We tolerated the practice—over and over and over--as we were all growing up as musicians in that household. So whenever I hear a drummer laying down a groove with little variation, it reminds me of that kid practicing the same stuff over and over. I have always felt a little more tuned into creativity on the drum-set as I witnessed my brother’s evolution as a musician from his playing of groove experiments to real interactive musical ideas within the groove. He remains one of my favorite drummers, and I always feel privileged whenever I get to play with him. Too bad he lives 13 hours away. If you’re ever down in Hilton Head or Savannah at any of the jazz clubs and you see a dude about 6’8” sitting behind the kit, no doubt you’re listening to my bro. Tallest drummer I know…and perhaps one of the greatest musicians I have ever heard.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 01:23:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ha!
Well said!
Date: Fri, July 13, 2007, 01:17:07 ET
Posted by: Another bald guy,
Mark Buckingham? That's a name from the past. Wasn't he Jon Herringtons' webmaster? I heard that he was until Jon found out he was a "Steely Stalker".
Geoff, be careful of this guy. I heard that Buckinham has has a whole collection of Coke cans!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 23:54:41 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
LisaG - Nicely Done!!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 23:47:03 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, One of those Malibu nights
Can anyone confirm this?
Did I just see LisaG shank
some scumbag and nonchalantly
drop her blade in the yard and
slip past the guards and take
off in a waiting 73 Monte Carlo?
Wow. Listening to the Jellyfish
Box Set this evening. Killer.
Highly recomended if you can track
one down.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 23:25:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Margie Girl - C'mon don't lead our Flock astray. I know full well you are 26, dear Possum, an age I can only see darkly, as through a looking glass, in my rear view mirror. I think it's wonderful we have a young Sprite like you to cavourt with...except for that weekend with our Satyr Geoff in Santa Inez when I flashed you in my bathrobe. If you could survive that, you could survive anything. But even for that I could forgive you because you bring such youth and beauty to our decrepit surroundings here in Dandom, so when you are my age many many years hence dear lady, and I have long since passed over the River Styx, remember kindly, won't you My Petal, the Dastardly Old Rajah who thought you such a lovely, lovely young woman a-way back then.
Happy Birthday Girlfriend and take our message of great music to generations unborn. If you succeed in that, I will rest quiet in my grave...
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 22:03:59 ET
Posted by: my my my,
LisaG
Yes! Articulation! Clarity, thoughtfulness, purpose...
Thanks for bringing some quality to a dull evening.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 22:01:52 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Thanks for the birthday wishes, my dear Danfriends! But to clarify - Rajah - I am not 36!!!!!! Wherever did you get such a number?! You are off ten years, thank you, bad enough for Bio-Mom to constantly remind me I'm nearing 30. And speaking of Bio-Mom, what a treat to hear New Frontier over the screaming children in Friendly's this evening. Not quite the Dan in Dallas, but still fabulous!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 21:41:45 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
LisaG - Holy crap!...you had me up out of my chair pumpin' my fist.
Dianne can cover it all...what power and subtlety...2 of my favorites are "I Remember" and "Morning" w/ Poncho...man, Poncho's got some heavy hands...a conga player told me one time "you know you've praticed enough Conga when your hands look like your feet".)...that's how the guy told me it English Professors, OK? Speaking of cookin' latin stuff...ever heard Snowboy?
Richard - didn't get to mention it, funny gig story...loved the "they're made at the bike factory" part...hilarious. My moment of similar embarassment (excluding this site) is when I lit my Rectilinear III High Boy speakers on fire "torture-testing" a friend's Sound Craftsmen power amp.
Listening to a little Prez on Norgran right now...think I remember hearing the name Horace Silver.
Last: shouldn't the Godwhacker horn lick properly be scat-sung "ba ba bada bump"?
Gotta go...the Hog Maws are ready.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 21:38:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Couldn't go last night, priorities.
LisaG - Way to come out fighting. I like your spirit lass, as George Saunders said to Maureen O'Hara in about 3 movies. Here's what happens on here sometimes, and I've done it too, you read a few phrases that don't sit right with you, strike you wrong, you miss the point entirely and come back snarling in reposte. It's human. I never thought you were dispariging of Carlock, just applying some criticism. Which is what a person who performs exposes themselves to. It's part of the price one pays.
Hoops should indeed write a tome on Guestbook Netiquette and he better devote a chapter to me: here's my working title: Rajah Syndrome, the histrionic ravings of a man in a deep narcissistic rage: the good, the bad, the ugly. Some thing like that, I'm still crystallizing...
In tryth, I think Jim did refer us to one scholarly article quite a few years ago which I promptly downloaded and read. It helped bring me down from a Stage 8 Asswipe to, mmm, about a 6. Seriously, Jim should be in the friggin Diplomatic Corps, he's that good.
Jim, isn't it funny that when upon those occasions when someone like Keith or Carolyn or Cynthia Calhoun clearly identified themselves hereon, they were treated with nothing but deference and admiration. So, I dunno, what does that say? Like, if someone you don't know shoots you the bird on the freeway, you flip him back. But if it's your next door neighbor, well, you still shoot him the finger in return but it carries does it not, my Hoopsian Kraken, a different intent? So it cuts both ways, a difficult dilemma.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 20:34:04 ET
Posted by: Gaslighting Dear Abby, 1940's
Hoopsie.....
Have you ever thought of writing a syndicated netiquette column? I'm sure it would be a smash.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 19:49:51 ET
Posted by: W1P, Temecula
Yeah, the "Pink Zeppelin" tour stopped at Pechanga on 7/7/07. The place is 100% brand spanking new and beautiful. They've got a massive traffic problem and they stop drinks at 1:30 but other than that, it's all positive vibration. The hospitality is terrific -- great "high end" buffet style grub and the halls to the green rooms are lined with autographed posters of the amazing acts that have played there, e.g., BB King, Bonnie Raitt, Jerry Seinfeld, BOC, Heart, CSN and on and on and on. One of the saddest was Boston in December '06 signed by Brad Delp "we had a great time" Anyway, we are hopeful for a return engagement. In the meantime, The Canyon bekons this weekend. How was Pretzel Logic last night?
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 19:28:17 ET
Posted by: LG, incessantly sniping (again) :-P
Happy Birthday to Margaret and Geoff. Hope you enjoyed the day.
Bob--I am a big fan of Dianne Reeves, one of the classiest and tastiest singers of her generation. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 19:21:47 ET
Posted by: LisaG, is the car locked?
Getting Bored—I never used the word “lightweight”—never would. If you can show me where I have, you may have a point of complaint because that would woefully misrepresent Carlock in my opinion. And there are no “incessant digs by one chick.” I have sung his praises on many levels, as was pointed out by wormy. “He’s playing precisely what he’s being asked to play” is one argument, but I don’t hear that same restraint from other members of the rhythm section as I do from him.
There is no “deal” with me. I am entitled to an opinion just like you have and/or might be an asshole.
Not that this should even enter into it, but I have actually recorded and submitted a sample of my work to another fan guestbook compilation. However I do not have it on the web at this time. It really wasn’t a representation of what I really do anyway as most of my performing is done live and in an entirely different vein. But you saying that hearing my “work” would be interesting only points to the “oh yeah, well who are you to have an opinion?” argument. And it’s weak. If you don’t like what I write here, then feel free to actual rebut with some substance. Or you can just not read it.
Umm—AGAIN. Show me where I said that Carlock is "untalented" and "unskilled?" Never said that. I believe the bug crawled up your glory-hole as you want to kvetch about what you think you’ve read.
I love how people only see what they want to see when there is nothing of that sort in black and white. It astounds me, actually.
And finally, someone who actually presents and backs up his/her opinions to elicit a mature discussion…(and I thank you):
To LisaG and the rest--Regarding the “mongo-chops” comment...apparently where I come from, chops always meant you have skills, technique, etc., as in “a trumpet player has chops if he’s in shape and has an impressive range with a round and textured tone.” It never meant "licks or ideas" in my education. There seems to be a difference in our terminology.
You said it yourself: complicated groove interplay, one lick, back to the groove... I would love to see more "instrument" interplay on the kit. As a drummer yourself, you know how you can solicit a myriad of colors from one cymbal without compromising the groove or style, for one example. I once saw a drummer play an entire groove on the ride for one chorus. Outstanding.
Yes, SD is all about the groove. This is not in question. Some comments people have made seem to insinuate that he is the best thing to come along since matched grip. This is simply the discussion. But folks who have heard some of his other work or who read the trade mags tend to lend him more credibility, so he’s worth checking out beyond SD. Got to be since he isn't standing out as "the best ever" in this endeavor.
I don’t doubt that DF and WB have their say in what he plays since it’s their gig, but there has to be some personality in anything you do. I understand what you are saying regarding the drums being there for the groove mostly on Dan of the past--they colored it that way in their intricate mixing processes. But again, I see and hear so much from this band where others are letting loose and creating a real sense of shape and depth. The second time I saw them on this tour, I spent the better part of the night listening to Jeff Young. I heard shit I never hear on the live albums, and I cannot imagine that they would have asked him for all of it. Yeah, the “required” elements were there, but Young was laying stuff down with so much fever and interest, that it never lost my attention. I never felt Lawson was a stand-out, but he did the gig brilliantly and without much fanfare, as per what they want, no doubt.
I suppose the static I’m experiencing is built on why people are talking about him as the next big thing but yet little of his voice or personality seems to come through on this tour. It’s obvious that I need to listen to more of his work.
Richard—would love to hear your girlfriend’s opinions on everything. :-P
Worm—thanks for your reading kom-pre-hen-shun. It’s appreciated. :-)
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 18:10:48 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" ... They are driven along by the relentless energy of drummer Keith Carlock - like Buddy Rich, Keith Moon and Clyde Stubblefield rolled into one lethal package.
I have to say that just about sums its up - Keith 'Lethal Package' Carlock. - Buddy, Keith and Clyde rolled into one - a compliment if ever there was one "
I LIKE THAT !!!!
Joey " Moonie " Moon !
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 17:53:11 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
HB GM & G!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 17:20:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Dare to be corny
Happy Birthday, sunshine. Now did I say they were all jammed up and jelly tight? I like it a little kinda sloppy like that, they're not the old Tonight show band horn section after all. A little New Orleans street funeral in there.
Margaret, happy 36th birthday! ;) :) ;)
You're really holding it together quite well, old girl, nice tushie.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 17:00:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Margaret and Geoff, my birthday congrats as well. I'll always remember out Santa Ynez drive in search of libations! Have a great evening.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 16:57:31 ET
Posted by: Geoff, wiggy office
Raj,
"So you all like that horn chart live on Godwhacker, yeah, that's so old school, everyone taking his solo between that thrilling bump-bump-ba-ba return"
Come on mate, the return is really late, a few of measures into each solo, not the corny old between each solo approach.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 16:50:17 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
IF somone associated with Steely Dan (Donald, Walter, band member, their caterer, their dog walker, etc) posts to or reads the Blue these days, then one thing is very obvious. Clearly they want to remain incognito or anonymous. Otherwise they would have outted themselves already. Posting that you *think* they are Donald, Walter, a band member, their caterer, their dog walker, etc pretty much will chase them away if in fact such posters are akin to the aforementioned parties.
And if they aren't affiliated with SD, well, posting that you think a poster is Donald, Walter, a band member, their caterer, their dog walker, etc just makes you incorrect.
Either way, it's only a winning situation for you (and fellow Bluebookers) not to bring it up. It could kinda be like birdwatching. You kinda wonder if it is that rare bird or your average sparrow, but if you start shouting, for sure that birdie's gonna fly away. Bye bye.
-----
I've been mulling consolidating four or five of the facets of things here--I think it might make things better, save money and be less effort up front and behind the scenes. I've discussed it with seven of you regulars. I received an email from an eighth person (a regular who I have met at shows) who I never discussed it with but had all sorts of information about what I was doing--even though I didn't even know I was doing those things. It's really amazing to have someone hear this second hand, have all sorts of opinions and wrong facts and then send me an email calling me a "nasty motherfucker" and "spiteful." Huh? Anyhow, please know that *I* know that 99.9% of you are always a helpful and supportive part of things here. Thanks, as always.
Jim
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 16:47:59 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy Ofice
Thanks Jim!
Anyone got Mark Buckingham's e-mail address I have two old ones that don't work
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 16:21:09 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Happy birthday, Margaret and Geoff!
Jim
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 16:05:10 ET
Posted by: CoolRog, London
Anyone know where I can get a Heavy Rollers t shirt?
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 14:41:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah ,
Fifi, stop torturing me. We'll always have Paris.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 14:40:06 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Pechanga was THE PLACE to see the Fagen Solo Tour hands down.
"Maxine" was phenomenal.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 14:35:57 ET
Posted by: Fifi,
You missed the "n" spazzmo.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 14:34:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah ,
I take it W1P played there recently? So, what were the backstage accomodations like? Hot and cold running Keno Betties? Adjustable Martinis? But certainly nowhere approaching the...jea se qua...of Soboba. No, that ambiance, the fine Corinthian leather, the smell of cowshit and old carpeting of a true negative three star establishment?
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 14:25:30 ET
Posted by: W1P, Pechanga
So now I know what everyone was raving about with regard to the Donald Fagen show at Pechanga! What an incredible venue! Sound, lights, sightlines, hospitality for the bands -- truly amazing!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 13:43:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
warrenk - Are you kidding I love the old horn arrangements going back to Duke and later Nelson Riddle. Donald and Michael have worked out some great stuff, bebop jazz riffs that move all around and swirl and blend, punctuating, modulating all kinda crazy ways.
There was this band from Austin called Spoon on Letterman last night. They came out sporting six horns, two trumpets, two sax and two trombone. Well this, I thought, was hopeful but the chart, feh, so boring, so unimaginative, they just all blew in the same key. They thought they were hot. They were not. Those guys with the long trumpets from the Middle Ages were hotter.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 12:52:50 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Just in case there is any doubt - this in from the Guardian (UK national newspaper) review - please see second paragraph
"Hiya kids," says Steely Dan's Donald Fagen, "we're going to play songs from the recent past, and going back to the deep 70s...if you know what I mean." Everyone knows what he means, as the 12-strong band hammer out the golden repertoire: Time Out of Mind, Hey Nineteen, Bad Sneakers, Peg, Josie, Home at Last, Aja.
They are driven along by the relentless energy of drummer Keith Carlock - like Buddy Rich, Keith Moon and Clyde Stubblefield rolled into one lethal package.
I have to say that just about sums its up - Keith 'Lethal Package' Carlock. - Buddy, Keith and Clyde rolled into one - a compliment if ever there was one
Ha
Richard
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 12:50:26 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Rajah, I suppose you're right on the old schooliness of the "bump bump ba da BAH!" of live Godwhacker, but do you not enjoy it?
Go to youtube and see if they have a video clip of Godwhacker from that 2003 pine knob show. Cornelius Bumpus works that section like it's nobody's business. if you didn't have respect for that section, cornelius will give it to you.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 12:48:55 ET
Posted by: Mystic Moss, in the cupboard next to the blueberry jam
The Bear Article by Joel Selvin finally came out in the Chron today
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/07/12/MNGK0QV7HS1.DTL
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 12:48:41 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...all of you fine folks who want to hear Keith Carlock "stretching out" a bit, go and get yourself a copy of RUDDER....you can order it online through his website....a great CD...has anyone else gotten it?
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 12:02:52 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
ok horsesmouth,,, you dont have to be so defensive, how silly of me to think WB would read this stuff, my fantasy is over.... my tab is all used up, though i enjoyed your musings, your call not to partake!!!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 11:42:03 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Careful what you cary
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/07/12/MNGK0QV7HS1.DTL
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 11:30:02 ET
Posted by: Janie Ranaway from home cuz, home had beer bellies on the couch
Ah, how you all feed the frenzy mind. So here it goes:
-The Ten Demandments of Walt & Don:
1. No more fans in da house shouting for Dr. Wu
2. "Beam me up, Scotty" teleportability
3. A free Reality cheque for everyone who idolizes musicians
4. Something corny, something stew, something whacky, something flew?
5. Foreign newspapers
6. All episodes of "Girl From U.N.C.L.E." on DVD
7. For Elvis to leave the building
8. For Sir Paul to take dancing lessons
9. Boxing gloves in a paper bag
10. Anti Bug spray
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 11:26:42 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Re Horace Silver: saw him about 10 years ago in Cambridge, he and his band were really wonderful. He played a lot from his (then) new CD, Hard Bop Grandpop, one of my favorites to this day.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 11:24:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah , el Kabong
wormy - nah there's lots of folks who know the great masters on here. Then, of course, there are those who wouldn't.
Horse Mouth, jeez, man you come off so condescending. We know most of these nasty ass venues are anything but cushy. Cinder blocks and cement floors. Scary backstage rooms, toilet down the hall. Shall I take you on a tour of the dressing rooms I've seen of the clubs I played in Manhattan in the 80s? Down in the basement next to the boiler room? A greasy closet next to the kitchen? Some of the theatres I played as an actor in upstate NY, Syracuse, Rome, Ithica, holy shit, in old vaudeville house, a five flight climb to rooms that still reeked of the old grease paint. We know and remember them well.
BTW, I've traded a few posts with Walter on here. They were strictly about music and I can tell ya he was a lot nicer than you.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 11:04:42 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
rajah
don't go mentioning the genius of Horace Silver on this site
other than Song for my Father most of this crowd wouldn't understand a blue note in his canon
red garland, paul chambers, bill evans, and many more
all off limits
interesting that came to him via the muse
I don't know who girl margaret is, but Have a happy birthday
I brush over all those giggle like a school girl posts you kids do back and forth - too high frequency, too idol worship, not enough music
nothing worse than stalking musicians - I hate it
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:56:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Don really wants to take up a tenor sax instead of a melodica, he was pretty good on East St. Louis. That thing works nicely for creating an eerie or spooky sound like on Godwhacker and Aja. But for Time Out of Mind, yes, especially the last 64 or whatever bars, it goes on too long. And TOOM is played too slow live, it needs to be brighter. I don't know how many bpm it's being played at but it needs to be "goosed" up a few clicks. Melodica is pleasing for 8 bars tops as a freaky solo and to accent here and there.
So you all like that horn chart live on Godwhacker, yeah, that's so old school, everyone taking his solo between that thrilling bump-bump-ba-ba return.
And in something completely unrelated, I'm reading Horace Silver's bio entitled, Let's Get Down to the Nitty Gritty," and he calls Song for My Father (the Brazilian style vamp that you know who ripped off on Rikki) was perhaps his greatest success. Here's what he said about it as related to where a great song comes from:
"Although I call it my inner inspiration, sometimes I believe that the 8 bar phrase is a telepathic impression given to me by an out-of-body composer from another level, from the spirit world who still would like his music to reach and bless the earth and its people. It's like being a co-author with an unseen or unknown composer."
I don't think we'll ever hear Rikki again. The night Maestro Silver was in the audience on Y2K, right down center, Donald introduced him to the crowd, I just don't think it would have been right to play Rikki there. Maybe Silver came to sort of dare him to play it. That probably freaked DF.
Now if he had been sitting next to Keith Jarret, Donald probably would have run screaming up the aisle and into the night. Boo!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:56:06 ET
Posted by: anon, around
Horses mouth - don't be so touchy. Do you know how many people read this bluebook? Don't stop just because you don't like the post of 1 or 2, there's lot's more who may find your posts interesting, but don't respond in print. Take a tab yourself and chill out.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:51:39 ET
Posted by: Fife, sunny Florida, eh
Happy Birthday Girl Margaret and Geoff!
Fife and Mr.Sam
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:46:43 ET
Posted by: Horses Mouth, au revoir
belzoni or others - do you know how many people work on a tour this size? how many more are with local crew, catering, trucking, security, promoters, and administration each night? how many guests or family and friends? how many more at home office, management, accounting, travel? and how many of all of those with assistants, secretaries, etc?
Yet if any one of those countless post here, it's got to be either WB of DF, apparently.
Delusions of elite attention is the hardest psychosis to beat.
So take another tab my friend, and enjoy your daydreams. I for one won't be posting here any more since I respect WB and DF seek to spare them any further undeserved fantasy focus.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:42:14 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Steely Mom, you beat me to it. I was just remembering the birthday to end all birthdays last year, thanks for the well wishes :)
Happy birthday Geoff, my fellow birthday boy! Hope you're enjoying yours as much as I'm enjoying mine!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:37:13 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, sitting in for Casey
We interrupt this fy-fyt exchange to send out 2 long distance dedications.
Happy Birthday Geoff! Happy Birthday Girl Margaret!! Just remember how much fun we were having last year on this most special day.
And not to flame the fire, but I dig the melodica! It's one of those things about SD that makes it such a unique sound and Donald looks so darned cute playing it.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:14:20 ET
Posted by: dgssucks, ravenhairmoodyshit
raven and dgs
get a clue
this is a board
it has opionions
not all of them agree with yours
go home, turn off the computer
off
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:06:35 ET
Posted by: Raven, Throw up
Someone get this guy outta here. I'm sharpening my beak, Hopeful.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:01:31 ET
Posted by: what a jerk, guess
dgs
you are a very immature fuck
got a problem with me or anyone else
got a problem with any dan criticism
just refrain from typing for 10 minutes
please
fyt (clever isn't it asshole)
okay hoops remove this
like you do all my other rebuttals
st al wouldn't
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 10:01:07 ET
Posted by: Hopeful,
As Newerkes second, french poser, the lady hopes you choke on David Lee Roth's spandex bike shorts.
Gimme strength.
Hopeful.
Ha! demandments, Angel and Janie Runaway and others. More. thx Duncan, always a pleasure.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 09:53:00 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, lucca - I wish
Hey horsesmouth, in the event you really are WB,(yes i am naive enuff to think you actually read what your minions have to say),, please on the NEXT TOUR,,,bring back the boston rag, and doctor wu, make all us dangeeks happy, play some deeper tracks, fuck the masses, they think peg is your apex for god's sake, they dont even know the beauty of almost gothic, the allure of pixaleen(who per my theory is based on the lovely Carolyn Leonhart !
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 09:52:12 ET
Posted by: Janie Ranaway but came home cuz..., Home is where the coaster sticks to the table
My-oh-my, ten demandments of Walt and Donny-boy. I'll bite the cheer-iooo.
Walter: "Ten demandments they ask."
Donald: "Hm, yes. What should we do?"
Walter: "We can give them five."
Donald: "Nah, I think we should go all the way in this."
Walter: "Why?"
Donald: "Don't ask me. I just think we should, that's all."
Walter: "We don't have ten, you know that."
Donald: "Yes, why is that? Don't you think it's about time we should?"
Walter: "We've been far too reasonable in the past, I think."
Donald: "Yes, that's because we're not really bothered, are we?"
Walter: "So, what do you want, from now on?"
Donald: "I don't know."
Walter: "Me neither."
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 09:41:34 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, La Belle France, mais bien sur
Hello Newerkes PA, I shall pick up your glove and slap you round the chops with it like John Malkevitch in Dangerous Liasons... (or I would if I was in fact French)
How can you say that the melodica adds "old world Chinese Italian, German sounds" -it's precisely because it does such an awful parody of a traditional instrument that it is so offensive!
Sorry if my last sentence is worrying you, I'll rephrase it to make
the point another way:
DF and WB are composers/producers, a totally different skill to live
performance. Everyone else on stage is a consummate live performer. You would have to be James Brown to be the natural leader of that lot, but our heroes are actually a couple of ideas men who really have no idea how to work a room as entertainers, bless 'em. The SD orchestra should be more of a collective. It makes no sense to put the spotlight on DF and WB as live musicians because they never even played most of the stuff on the record - it's not their actual chops that we love as SD fans.
However, WB's position on stage is that of the "star soloist" - he never plays any of the structural stuff - riffs, etc - and only seems to be there to widdly-widdly on top of everyone else's work. He has his moments, sure - the first fifteen minutes at Fresno in January were cosmic - but he doesn't have the versatility to do justice to the SD catalogue when they get into reconstructing the classics. I go to worship his achievement, not his guitar work.
My respect for DF doesn't suffer when he hands over vocals to the girls. More of this would be a good idea - I'd love to have seen the live collaboration with Michael Macdonald last year. DF's melodica solo at the start of TOOM in Paris was dreary and went on too long, a mistake that you could not imagine any of the other musicians making.
So, I don't like to see DF and WB squandering their rich legacy on the illusion that it's about them as great live performers. I'd be quite happy to see them more as MC's directing the rest of the action to their exquisitely high standards, taking the odd spot here and there - in fact, doing more what they are great at doing in the studio.
End of rephrase.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 09:16:02 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, Corn field
2dgs just jumped over the tracks frothing . . . out of control, crying--had to get the switch and choke collar. Newerkes on the drawing board modifying her antique melodica to send overnight express to Donald, completely reinforced by balsa wood and glue (ha!) ouch! for doubleduty--Donald will soon be in a whacking posture to el-kabong the malcontents. War? Hold 'er. You fks leaped ahead from war crimes tribunal to sentencing. Squirell, bring your putter; we got a situation here.
Very disapponted, Hopeful
(gathering the tribes and primative weapons; no doubt the verdict will consist of the lowest of low torture chamber treament, complete with steel masks with obscene noses)
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 08:44:49 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, I'm goin' crazy
grrrrrrrrr!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 08:42:21 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
you guys are dishing Lisa's comments without really understanding all of them - cut her some slack
Carlock is a great drummer, lisa stated that, but she also stated that he is a raw talent with potential
it doesn't help that DOn and Walt have him locked down in minor groovetown doing metronome rim shots ad infintitum
listen to West of Hollywood
those drums have to breath damn it!
give me more syncopation - more space in the mix
I've seen Keith on tour - Stinglet
he worked well with the percussionist and made songs his own
even turned the beat around with some funk a fa ca tion
on a few old police numbers
keith isn't the pinnacle yet - can he be? yes
is he damn good - yes
I'd love to see the Dan with Brian Blade
that would be some serious chopmeister
but then DOn and Walt would be flippen
Blade makes more money playing on everyone's albums
he's all over the jazz world
kind of like Chris Potter
sorry but the Dan would be a step down in both cases
(puts on flame retardent suit)
I just love all the euro tour comments
you guys soak up music - the joie de virve
I agree and would love to see Walter play some damn bass live
can't they work some counterpoint bass lines on a few numbers or give freddie a breather?
hell spinal tap didn't have a problem with an extra bass player or two at live earth ;-)
and bring on more 21st century tour numbers TvN EMG and MTK
at least the euro crowd isn't going for beer breaks
in fact if they were more concerned with the real fans
and less with the hollers for the greatest hits set
they'd find - wow - we have an audience
I recall the Navajo Indian Reservation crowd at Albuquerque 00 getting into the new stuff
most of them probably had never heard it
the boys were quite surprised
don't dumb it down for the masses
you want the obvious you get the obvious
maybe 07 euro tour could be a test market
now dan arrangements are tough
can't just vary the setlist like Pearl Jam does - 50% each show
still no excuse for the static overdrawn war horses
they are precise but less inspired
I recall when I was small....
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 08:26:44 ET
Posted by: Newerkes, PA., shoptalk
k: again great posts, now still reading thx! I loved the demandments (Raj) and link from SteelyDoc to bands' riders (backstage link). I liked Wynona's demandments for one. Joan Rivers requires a bottle of _______.
Richard from Bristol you are a blast to read, please never stop.
Willie, Walt's gift for bass is matched by his gift for (as Raj says "goosing") his brilliant guitar leads both live and in studio. However, I'm having a problem with the ending of your post; care to qualify that, friend?
As Damon and Ivory Wayans say in their Livin' Color used-car salemen pitch, something along these lines:
Ivory: "He's goin crazy, he's goin crazy!"
Damon: I'm goin crazy, I'm goin crazy.
P.S. Shoot, I was watching the Big Joe Polka show on RFD and, man, everyone was out on the floor a dancin' to wha? chord organ and glockenspiel, everyone having a large time. Wha? the french don't know how to have a large time?
Wherever the french's hotbutton, if they think the sound of the melodica is passe or blazay, then they need to take it down a notch to Mexico, say or maybe a little ride out of the country would help their tastebuds. Donald's penchant for his melodica--it punches a hole in the night time, adding an old-world sound: Chinese, Italian, German sounds from the heart of Dan culture. Unfortunate that some of the french audience were taken back by it. And if Walter's delivery of Haitian Divorce isn't appreciated as pure art, then well, it's time to run and go pee pee pee. No dash intended against you, Willie, but wtf? What gar-bahh-ge your last sentence. Please tread lightly; you're talkin' about my homeys, man. Newark (look over yonder)
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 08:20:05 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island`
Carlock is a great drummer without doubt. I would have to disagree about the "mongo chops" quote. I'm in the camp of those who hear that same lick everytime - or a slight variation of it - and I've heard a good bit of his work outside the Dan.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 08:13:00 ET
Posted by: Josey`, St. Simons Island
Clean Willie - I would agree whole-heartedly on those thoughts about that fucking melodica!! It's damn awful at the very best!
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 07:10:54 ET
Posted by: duncan, .
a couple more short vid's from London
Keith's aja solo hammersmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK98Ek96anU
walters hey 19 rap hammersmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c90aseF5Ng4
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 05:48:24 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
In anticipation of SD palying Lucca 28th July, I'm going to see Billy Cobham who is playing with Brian Auger (Hammond) on the 21st July here in Italy. Looking forward to be able to add my comments to the Billy Cobham debate.
Roberto
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 04:52:37 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
Greg Hutchinson, the drummer in Sam Yahel's Trio, he played/recorded with Dianne Reeves, someone mentioned Dianne.
Rajah, Angel, love those Ten Demandments, it's an interesting idea anyway, whether exuberant or humble etc etc.
HM, very valid points. Tour managers do a lot of work behind the scenes indeed. For those who buy tickets to see musicians perform, they don't often wonder about these things. I do know, for Europe, there are all kinds of options perhaps not explored yet. But one would have to try and test it. If a venue is downtown, transportation through traffic (jams) and such can be a pain, time consuming. Looking into these things for (musician) friends from 'abroad', that's why i'm interested. Thanks :-)
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 04:51:51 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
Just got back after seeing Hammersmith and Paris shows, and taking a week
holiday away from a computer!
A few comments on top of what has been said -
I previously saw the two January dates of this tour and the band, great to start
with, is now so tight - it is like nothing I have ever seen. A twelve piece that
swings and snakes like a three-piece. WB has to consider if his guitar is not
getting in the way of this consummate musicianship: I wish he would play the
bass which suits his genius as a performer.
The extraordinary tightness of the band may in fact be why they are having
problems with the mix. At Hammersmith the bass and drums were FAR FAR FAR too
loud - if Carlock didn't play like an angel it would have been unlistenable.
But this mix reflects the usual sound engineer's approach to trying to make
sense out of the sound produced by a large band - get the bass and drums to hold
it together, then everything else slots in where it can. This of course does a
huge injustice to this band - the brass is incredible, they can hold their own
rythm and indeed the whole band knows exactly where it is at any given second.
The bass and drums are actually playing along with that well understood groove,
in the jazz style, and to stick them out front as if they were laying it down in
the boring modern rock/dance fashion is a big mistake.
The two stand-out songs on both nights were Two Against Nature and Godwhacker.
I'd heard the stories about 200 people taking a pee break as soon as something
from this century came on so I looked around - everyone in the audience was
rapt, not one pee-break in the whole damn house! Take note those who think this
band has to play the greatest hits game, they are above that, they are a musical
phenomenon in their own right.
It just seemed like the extra challenge of bringing something to the people that
they may not have heard before was a task worthy of this band, whereas some of
the older numbers, incredible songs as they are, are just played numb. However
much I love Peg or Kid Charlemagne I cannot help glazing over when they start.
On the other hand Josie in Paris was fantastic. Babylon Sisters in Paris had me
in tears.
A couple more grumbles to finish with - WB maybe has flu or something but now
that the touring machine is well and truly firing on all cylinders, Haitian
Divorce is left as a bad joke. It is embarrassing, and we, the audience, were
embarrassed for him. People were squirming in their seats all around, as indeed
was I. Maybe he's getting into Theatre of Cruelty or something?
And finally, I would like to take a moment to excoriate the disaster of the
melodica. This is surely the most appaling musical instrument ever invented,
its cheesy, wheezy, honky, complacent noise has blighted many hundreds of hours
of music in the last few decades. A 1980's Casiotone robbed of its only saving
grace - the psychotic dancefloor possibilities? More like the sound that finally
tips a quiet guy over the edge into mass-murder. I have never heard anyone make
a decent sound on a melodica and unfortunately DF is no exception. Why does he
insist on playing it? When he came on in Paris and started the show with a
melodica solo (mediocre even by the standards of that instrument), he nearly
killed the whole night before it had begun!! I am not exaggerating here - you
could feel the excitement in the room fade to disappointment.
So to conclude, this is WB and DF doing what they do best - assembling and
inspiring the best musicians in the world to play their incredible compositions.
However, in the 1970's they used to boast that they hardly played anything and
could even conceive of an album where they didn't actually perform. These days,
the faults one can find seem to be down to their egos getting in the way. They
are composers and producers first and foremost, not world-heavyweight
professional session players, and their live chops sit uneasily with this
extraordinary backing band.
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 04:41:39 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Ummmmmmmmmm
Couldn't have said it better myself about Carlock but please add
1. Every drummer I know in Bristol thinks Carlock is superb
2. My girlfriend thought he was fantastic
3. Pete Erskine thinks he's fab and one of the best ever
4. My cat will sit and watch his performance from the Modern Drummer festival and then get up and kill her favourite toy when he's done - she has a great double stroke and brings a touch of New Orleans to that back legs thing cats do.
6. Steely Dan, Sting, Tal Wilkenfield, Wayne Krantz, Diana Ross and a million others can't be wrong
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2007, 01:47:05 ET
Posted by: Ummmm....., here
Let see...
Sting called Carlock one of the best drummers on earth and hired him to tour for two years without an audition.
Walter and Donald sing his praises in interviews and onstage.
Elliot Scheiner (sp?) calls him something like the best ever...
Modern Drummer readers vote him #2 and #3 Best Drummer in the world over the last two years.
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera....
Yet it seems everytime one visits this place, there's someone with a bug up her ass about how untalented and unskilled Carlock is.
OK, you've made your point. A million freakin' times. Move on please.
Thank you in advance.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 23:50:01 ET
Posted by: To LisaG and the rest,
First LisaG- you said he had "mongo-chops." For the most part you're pretty much wrong. The man is very groove oriented, and the only chops he has are double strokes with some double kick. The man has said it himself, that it's his "one lick." Every solo he takes is the same- complicated groove interplay, his one lick, complicated groove, his one lick. However, it's perfect for the crowd, it's musical, and it is still respectable and not easy to do from a drummer's standpoint.
Now when you look in the Dan catalogue, the one consistent instrument that is not adding color to the songs anywhere near the other instruments are the drums. The drums are there for the groove. I mean, to start, listen to the sound of the drums on Dan albums. The drums are severly muffled. They hardly breathe. The grooves most of the time are simple, the fills simple and spare. I mean if you're going to quote Purdie's half time shuffle for color, you're wrong. That shuffle is the perfect GROOVE for their songs, but his dynamics are pretty stagnant throughout the song. BUT THAT'S what was needed.
So in terms of playing the songs true to form, it's about the groove and taste (crazy fills won't work). And look, I'm a drummer who loves progressive rock, so I'm coming from a world of complexity but can still love Dan drum parts (SD is my fav band too).
Now, you may be arguing for more color because it's the live setting. I agree. But I think DF and WB are looking for groove, simplicity, and security. Ricky Lawson is proof. I think the next best drummer for SD is Simon Phillips- the guy has the ultimate pocket, is a big jazz drummer who understands the interaction, and has serious chops that he knows how to use in a musical sense. The large drumset may fool Don and Walt. He's with Toto anyways, so there's no time for it.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 22:39:45 ET
Posted by: Getting Bored, Wherever You Go....
Is it just me, or are these incessant digs at Keith Carlock made by one chick getting REALLY tiring?
Calling someone "lightweight" or "raw" without benefit of having heard any of his work outside of SD, and not knowing whether or not hes playing precisely what he's being asked to play - makes that opinion rather uninformed.
And the constant need to make the same uninformed point over and over and over and over again makes one wonder what the deal is... with you.
Why not post some of *your* work? That might be a little more interesting than hearing your constant sniping.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 22:30:47 ET
Posted by: I MUST BE BORED,
Gretchen… Kalvin’s asleep right now, so I’ll answer on his behalf:
“mucking ferds wuddled“ is a Spoonerism with a spelling modification to aid with pronunciation.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 20:53:34 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
HM and SteelyDoc - very enlightening.
Bullgoose - thanks for the heads up (and the heart burn)...are there some specific tracks off "Transformation" that lead you to the conclusion that KC sounds like Vinnie?...of the 2 tracks on her myspace site, I honestly didn't hear it...and I was trying to...it sounded like KC to me...but what I did hear was very tasty...KC is a huge talent and a nice guy. I want to keep an open mind about this but the CD isn't available thru Amazon...therefore, there are no samples so it is difficult to get a feel for KC's playing on all tracks. I was expecting something on the order of "Front Page" by Chambers, Lagrene and DiPiazza but, sadly, the 2 tracks on myspace aren't even close.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 20:15:54 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...the Smoking Gun website has over 200 concert riders that you can check out....quite a wide range, from Frank Sinatra to Britney Spears, and everything in between...
..some pretty interesting reading...I don't get why so many bands ask for tube socks though...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/index.html
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 19:41:55 ET
Posted by: HM, around
better planning by tour group -- most tour mgrs work their tail feathers off to make everything work on budget while protecting comfort of band. A longer bus drive may equal a better hotel in the center of a nice city for a day off (vs a dump by the airport). Drives, flghts, check-in and check-out times, and much more all scheduled to make all as comfortable as possible given limits of time and money. Therefore the long hours of downtime at a show may be the best, most reasonable, and most logical time to do yoga or floor pilates or just stretch out a little. Asking a venue to set one such room aside is NOTHING in the "demands" department, that's all I meant to say. Another rider item that some people mock as "excessive" but is really smart and cost-effective is a hired local massuse at the venue (and a room for that)...good health benefits for tired and cramped players, and a lot cheaper than hotel massages or chiropractor bills. A relatively cheap way for people to feel cared for and loosened up before a show.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 19:34:21 ET
Posted by: angel,
I'll take those demandments and raise you 2 (Against Nature).
Take Out - Dean and Deluca
Coke (more of the same)
Herb Tea
Deludin
Pork Blanc
Panatela
Wax (for skis)
Rusty Chicken Wire
Black Mini
Long Black Gloves
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 19:31:41 ET
Posted by: BC,
Lisa G -
RE: "Why can’t every instrument be as simple as a trombone?"
You MUST mean "to fix" - you couldn't POSSIBLY mean to play (lol).
PS.: All us 'bone players know that, much to WB's chagrin, the french horn's really the toughest of the brasses - to play - and maybe to repair also.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 19:30:34 ET
Posted by: Horse's mouth, most venues
Most venues, whether stadiums, sheds, arenas, or theatres, have horrible backstage rooms. Old stinky locker-rooms lined in metal and concrete and the sewat of many ages, cramped ancient tiny rooms with urine-smelling carpets, 30-year old cheap stain-soaked furniture, pipes open at the ceiling, horrible florecent overhead lighting, bad temperature control if any at all, so on. Only the new casinos and a few rare newer sheds have half-way regular rooms with usual comforts. Wine lists are one thing....a room or rooms that you can spend time in with dimmed/regular lights without worrying about what you are sitting/lying in (and do some stretches or exercise) is another.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 19:09:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Here's the Demandments, I got em right cheer:
Duct Tape
Gingersnaps, one box
Kirschwasser
A Shell
Dish of Dollars, small bills, unmarked
Sacificial Yak for the pre-show Kulee Baba
A Diamond
A Pearl
Girlie magazines
A 1958 Chrysler
Box of balsa wood and Elmer's glue
Skulls of things undead, two
15 watt bulbs
Marilyn 4.0 for the Green Room
Janie and Melanie and One Cosmic Wow
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:59:51 ET
Posted by: LisaG, storytellers
Aha! angel...so it was you who talked of leashes. (That's my girl. ) :-P
Famous performing artists ask for things that many of us lesser known musicians could only dream of having before a night playing out--things like two dozen yellow roses in the dressing room, or specific brands of bottled water and snacks for the backing musicians, full-body wraps and massages, etc. My dad used to handle the contracts for the musicians for shows at a local venue back home so heard some pretty strange stuff about the contract requirements of the main talent. There is a famous star of yore whose entourage consisted of known kleptomaniacs, too. They used to take the towels and the ashtrays wherever they went, as if they could not afford any of their own.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:54:00 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Lisa G
I would have shared your opinion of Keith Carlock in some measure, but things changed for me earlier this year when I heard ... wait. I'm getting something. Call me clairvoyant, but I can tell, I just know, that you haven't heard him play on Transformations, the CD by the (Aussie) bass player, Tal Wilkenfeld. I mistook his playing for Vinnie C. I rest my case. No I don't. It could be said that, Carlock-wise, this was my personal Road to Danascus. Ow that hurt! Antonio Sanchez is such a humble-looking guy while he's playing, don't you think?
Hey Nwk
You are too very, very kind. All I've ever tried to do is spruik a little taste, decency, dannery, syntax and respect for the rhythm section. On any street corner here in Australia one can usually dazzle and flummox a crowd of luckless pedestrians with the correct use of an apostrophe. Blue Bookers constitute a tougher league, and your comment has made me feel a whole lot better about myself.
On the Rhodes thing: If you've gotta lug around an instrument that weighs half a ton, you'd better be serious about your playing.
Pine Knob Parker's Band. Well worth the fifteen minute download time on my steam-powered Mac.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:46:00 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Billy Cobham -
Thanks for the clarification...thing is, he plays the bass drum with his non-dominant foot (that's kinda difficult, IMHO)...right?
For my money, I'll take Dianne Reeves over Krall any day...Erskine is magnificent with her, though...check this solo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UI69P-2ybqI
Love the bass player's look just before Erskine's solo.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:35:34 ET
Posted by: Whacker,
You don't think Walter would stoop so low as to converse here with us mere fans, do you?
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:26:30 ET
Posted by: ps,
LisaG, yes, i agree on Cassandra owning the material she chooses and Krall's skills pianowise.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:24:23 ET
Posted by: gee, Sun Mountain
Rajah, yes, i have her on a Geoff Keezer album (Turn Up The Quiet), she sings Island Palace (wow) and The Nearness of You. It's not so 'coordinated' which means she sounds human, not a digitally enhanced controlled version of her self. i like her timbre, but alas not an entire album of Alan Broadbent arrangements and i know he's one of the best out there but it's all just too flawless. have some of her other albums too. never listen to it anymore.
Angel, i would not have noticed that coke can if it wasn't discussed in here :-)
Horse's Mouth, you make perfect sense. But call it ignorance if i assume that most of those venues nowadays have comfortable accommodation to begin with? and does it have to be called a Yoga room too? and that list of wines she wanted and special formula for her twins... and stuff for the nannies too... I understand perfectly about long trips and all that, the waiting even before musicians or artists can get up on stage. but this might also be a matter of careful planning and organization, the tour manager's job, right. a lot of efficiency can get lost, hotels far from the venue, means of transportation to and from the venue etc etc.
oh and yes, it wasn't the idea to exclude you from a discussion, but from the Top Ten list DF and WB would want back stage. well, you might as well spill the beans now you're here, right...?
i can only come up with a title for any hypothetcetera list WB and DF before going offline (00.17 am eurotime)
-The Ten Demandments of WB and DF
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:11:47 ET
Posted by: LisaG, tied to the mast
Wormy—check your e-, brother from the rich earth below. I'm shaking with anticipation.
Bob—Thanks for the skinny on the open sticking and Cobham. I don’t teach drum-set, but I do coach a student jazz ensemble where that open style is always encouraged. Been a while since I’ve seen the crossing myself. My brother used to do it, but then again, he learned his rudiments with traditional grip so I always thought it was more comfortable for him to cross over on the hi-hat.
Richard—fixing snare drums is the bane of my existence (I teach middle school instrumental music). I cannot stand replacing snares or tightening the monsters. I can spend the better part of an hour trying to get the snare to vibrate onto the head evenly enough to make a clean sound. I‘m probably doing something wrong as it is my least favorite job, and I can’t imagine that it should be that time-consuming. Why can’t every instrument be as simple as a trombone?
Rajah—no Wu for the tractor crowd? How could they? I’d be afraid of constituents with gun-racks on their formal transportation. Tell you lies, tell you sweet little lies? ...speaking of Fleetwood Mac.
Gina and Rajah—re: Krall. It’s interesting that I never used to like her early vocal stuff before…that aloof, lackluster style that makes you wonder if she was going more for the eye-candy effect than anything else. But Raj is right--she can play…with a sensitivity and creativity that does justice to the art form. Her singing has improved greatly over the years in that she uses space like a seasoned performer—much like she plays—and well, her voice has matured like a fine brandy. I like the more obscure songs, myself. And I always enjoyed doing up the better known stuff differently personally so when I hear something out of the ordinary and quite extraordinary, I applaud. My girl, Cassandra Wilson is an expert at reworking a song by discovering its true essence. She can sing the phone book and you’d be mesmerized.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:11:33 ET
Posted by: billy cobham, open secret
Well, the deal about Billy Cobham playing "open" isn't quite so simple.
He is left-handed and playing a right-handed drum set with the ride on the left. So he's just playing the hihats with his dominant hand.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:11:08 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
I think even WB himself might like this drum solo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EyXkeAqUeH4
Wowsers!
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 18:10:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Here's what the Rolling Stones require backstage, it's wild:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/stones/stones1.html
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 17:59:10 ET
Posted by: Horse's Mouth, between here and there
Thanks for excluding me from this discussion but I have a relevant observation on this topic. It is not at ALL excessive to ask for a room backstage where yoga or other exercise/physical relaxation can be done. If there is an opening act and soundcheck is 4pm that's 4+ hours between finished soundcheck and playing a show. Factor in long bus rides and considering that most venues have dozens of empty rooms, you can see that asking for one yoga room is one of the cheapest, smart things to ask for -- then all can do something other than eat bad backstage food and sit on bad sofas for 4+ hours.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 17:22:29 ET
Posted by: angel,
Gina: Yes on the Coke can. It would have never even registered on my radar, if it wasn't for these past few years hearing about them sitting up on Donald's keyboard. We the fans, are super sensitive to these little things. It makes the experience so much better. lol
Yes, on Carlock. I definitely think he is kept on a very tight leash, drum wise. Love him anyway. :-)
Love the reports from Europe. Thanks everyone.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 17:17:59 ET
Posted by: Jemp, Belgium
Anybody know where photo's of the Brussels concert can be found on line?
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 17:05:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Gina, one of her early records was very good, it was a tribute to the music of the Nat King Cole Trio. She played well and delivered a nice sultry and saucy set of vocals. And the songs were secondary standards, not all this rehashed Night and Day or the umpteenth version of Stardust. She has sold more jazz records than anyone else in history, so how come they never play her on KJAZ? The jazz community has retreated from her and now she's a turn or two away from being Rod Stewart. Except her legs are waay better. She knows her Great American Songbook but it's worn as thin as my hair. Her original compositions are nothing to write home about. I saw her with a 38 piece orchestra here in LA. She talked about Ray Brown, Frank and she had really nice hair and shoes. She can play.
But here was the good one, entitled All For You:
1 I'm An Errand Girl For Rhythm
2 Gee Baby, Ain't I Good To You
3 You Call It Madness
4 Frim Fram Sauce
5 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams(not the Green Day version, the thieves)
6 Baby Baby All The Time
7 Hit That Jive Jack
8 You're Looking At Me
9 I'm Thru With Love
10 Deed I Do
11 A Blossom Fell(this one is played dead slow and she carries the torch nicely)
12 If I Had You
http://www.dianakrall.com/music.aspx?pid=9571
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 16:42:36 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
gawd. St. Al posted a list in Yellow, about Diana Krall's 'wishes', her w(h)ine list and such... a yoga room where 5 people can stretch out?
if it's true, than i am right to not really sense anything 'real' about her singing, everything about her is just a pose. that's why it don't stir nothing inside.
makes ya wonder about the things this band in Europe needs to accommodate them, from sliding into feeling indisposed. would be funny to see what you can come up with... a Top Ten List, highly hypothetical.. what would DF and WB need in their dressing room.
(Horse's Mouth, you're of course excluded from this little Dandom pastime)
Gretchen, i thought of you when one of the roadies, or the Chief Roadie even, took the old can (probably from soundcheck) away and replaced it with a new one. i should have gotten that on tape. i dunno. reading stuff in here and such, for how many years now? it sure weighs in on an actual concert experience :-) but i got the new one on tape. digital, that is. arrggh. have to edit all of it when time.
off again.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 14:46:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well then you are forgiven and you have my apology. I guess it is a kind of fiction at times, except when I see something with my own eyes at a show. The truth is indeed out there but it's so deadly boring.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 14:44:51 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Downtown Bombay
Kalvin, explain "mucking ferds wuddled." I like that one.
G
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 14:38:31 ET
Posted by: Frank Lee,
But Rajah, what is idiotic, mean and anonymous about loving fiction?
I LOVE fiction and that's why I LOVE your posts!
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 14:23:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
And Frank, what is perfectly obvious from your post is that you are a perfect idiot, perfectly anonymous and perfectly mean spirited to boot. Congratulations on that triple play.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 14:05:58 ET
Posted by: Horse's mouth,
oh yes, that would be the perfect and logical and nonhysterical conclusion to jump to....excellent logic as always, congratulations.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 13:56:57 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
hey horses mouth,,, can this be construed that WALT really reads this stuff,,,, i hope so Mr B
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 13:55:43 ET
Posted by: Frank Lee,
You don't need to tell us that, Rajah--obviously 90% of what you write here is fiction.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 12:45:36 ET
Posted by: David Vitter, Soon to be private sector
I'll second that.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 12:43:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Reality sucks
I like stories better.
Tell me lies.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 12:18:27 ET
Posted by: Horse's mouth, Paris
The end of show interaction which some are confidently interpreting as a declined encore? It was this: because of the backstage configuration, D & W had to exit on the girls' side instead of their ususal herinton side. Donald headed toward the wrong side of the stage and both Skip and Walter had to wave D back the other way. Not as interesting as the other theories...but sometimes reality is pretty boring
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 11:41:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Sir Spanks- a-Lot
Thank you boys and girls for your comments and reports.
I'm taking a wild guess here that Walter nixed Deacon Blues since reports here indicate a bit of a cock-up of the song the previous show. That makes them even for Donald nixing Dr. Wu at the Soboba Burning Desert Trailer Trash Super Summer Smackdown and Big Rigg Tractor Pull last year. But if it was Deacon Blues that they nixed, I'm impressed with Donald's drive and stamina cause it's quite a big chunk of song. Especially at the end of the show. He must be enjoying himself.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 10:52:19 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
newerkes, p.a. -
Thanks...I think :) Re: Rajah...yeah, you might end up with some scratches on you if you tussle with him but he's got great taste...LisaG as well and right on the button re: KC.
It's a shame that Cobham seldom tours the states anymore.
I thought the same thing about the Hammersmith video (wow, that's clear)...hopefully details to follow.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 10:50:42 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
My drums and the Steely Dan Connection and a tale of woe
My drum kit is Yamaha (Carlock) and I treated myself to a nice Brass Piccolo snare (Carlock) a few years ago and found a Peter Erskine 12" snare on the web so I bought it in time for the weekend gig.
As I was setting up I was singing the praises of Yamaha hardware and drums - you know - never fall apart - made in the bike factory etc etc etc
Anyway we did the soundcheck with no problems
First number two hours later is Don't Stop by Fleetwood Mac which to start with is just me with a shuffle groove - after first bar noticed there was something wrong - looked down and saw the snare lever had just fallen apart so was playing a timbale - no probs just switched the Erskine snare to my left and then realised that I had forgotten to switch the snares on
To add further to the feeling of discomfort was that in the process of all this swapping about I managed to break two sticks (something I never do) all during this Fleetwood Mac song.
I never really did like Fleetwood Mac to be honest.
Its all on film I think and may just let you have a link
Anyway the original snare was fixed by the third song (a spring had sprung loose) and we were off again for the remaining two and a half hours.
It was all cool - I had seen the Dan on Thursday night in Birmingham and somhow got some inspiration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 10:24:40 ET
Posted by: newerkes, p.a., shoptime
Bob: yeal wowl, great youtube find. Holy bejesus. Who knows maybe Carlock will sit in with Sam Y. trio too and pull some of that kinda stuff. Hey Bob--you're a gifted prose writer too. I want a piece of you, but I don't want to horn in on Rajah's action. hehe. Nah, just kidding--you guys' discourse, ugh hem, makes for great reading.
Speaking of our own concourses, hey now, Cindy showin those pretty gams--wow--turns me gladsome.
And just wish to note that the Hammersmith "My Old School" (seeking an extended horns arrangement there) video was taken with a cellphone? Right, the continents over there are more advanced than over here--technology speaking. I'm never goin back to my ole Nokia 9012. hehe
Happy Birthday, exquisite Carolyn. Hoping for you continued happiness and decades of more of gorgeous artistic expression. [it's Cindy's legs doin this to me, i'm tellin ya]
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 10:10:41 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Another point of interest is (forgive me drummers that already know this...many folks don't) Cobham was, among many other firsts, the first to play in the "open" style...meaning he does not cross stick (one hand over the other) when sticking hi hat patterns. There are many advantages...chief among them is speed gained and, when filling, the left hand (ride hand) is already there at the ride cymbal or hi hat poised and ready for the downbeat as he rolls out of a fill.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 09:55:53 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Josey -
Glad you liked it.
Just for the record...I realized he's playing double bass drums at the beginning and throughout...it's just easier to pick them up at the point I mentioned.
The tune's in 10...subdivided a bar of 4 and 6...incredible!
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 09:52:15 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 09:47:51 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Bob - the man's got some of the cleanest, fastest sigle strokes happening of any drummer! Thanks for that link.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 09:11:18 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Here's a great drummer (not to mention keyboard player).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1hEw2v1Ki4
Drum solo is at 4:14 (listen for the double bass drums at 5:05).
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 08:34:20 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
I've just finished watching the Pine Knob "Godwhacker" performance again...wanted to point out how tasty a player Cornelius was (really miss him)...very effective the way he pauses during his solo for the horn punches...glad that moment is memorialized!
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 08:22:44 ET
Posted by: wormy, scatting everywhere
deaconblue - great color man!
Gina as well
the following observation from DB is very pertinent
At the end of the encore Donald stepped into Walters direction and from what i could understand of their bodylanguage was that Don was asking to do one more song. The response of Walters hand was very ferm and at least very clear. No!!
SO WALT IS THE KILLJOY!!!
glad to see Don in the mood
Deacon Blues - glad to see that back
it was the highlight of my show in Raliegh 00
steviedan a row in front of me
Lisa G - Carlock is definitely tied down in the Dan
he's got the chops, personally I wish he'd go syncopated more
like Bernard
oh by the way, send me an email - I've got something you'd enjoy
Carolyn's birthday sounds real nice - glad the boys gave her the full treatment
saw an interesting upcoming artist monday night
St Vincent
toured with Sufjan Stevens last year - yes that Sufjan Stevens
toodles from the topsoil
oh pari
wormtom
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 07:46:28 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Duncan:
You're a very naughty boy - but you are undoubtedly correct. LOL
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 07:00:04 ET
Posted by: db, .
Great clip from Hammersmith.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlS3C4klhyM
Cindy's LEGS, couldn't see them from where I was !!!
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 05:56:31 ET
Posted by: G., Mizar5
LisaG, doing this in segments, have to, work screams at me, emails piling up, phones ringing, people yelling at me etc etc.
but wrote some in Mizar5, "Things I Miss The Most part I".
Deacon, yes, simple deduction when i read you were front row seated like you were. a guy with a t-shirt like that had to have been in the US. you even looked at me for a brief second, though. grin. this is very funny.
http://www.writingaffairs.com/Deacon1.jpg
thanks for the Paris report.
found another belgian thingy.
http://ericlaforge.blogspot.com/2007/07/steely-dan-live.html
quick translation, Andy is amazed and glad about DF being in such good spirits, and being communicative with the crowd. also, he speaks of WB talking to the audience, quite for a long bit, 3 minutes something even, during Hey 19.
off now.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 05:04:43 ET
Posted by: LIsaG, take me where the music play
Hmmm. Maybe I'm just being a curmudgeon.
It would seem that there are more and more complaints about the bass being muddled on this tour. Maybe the sound people are befuddled by the lack of clarity in the lower end when working in some halls. Granted, from my personal experience, the sound was glorious at one venue and less than sparkling at the other.
One should probably keep in mind that the reviews in this regard are mixed most likely because of the difference in seating location among the reviewers themselves. But more often than not, there seems to be at least two complaints per show about the sound.
Is it just me or does it seem as though the mix is becoming a real problem for the Heavy Rollers?
Gina, nice to see you posting about the atmosphere. Would love more color on the performances themselves. Talk more music, girl! You're good at it. :-D
"Keith Carlock was a bit too present. He was good in Aja and did what was expected from him, but he lacked subtlety and variation in my view"
Ah, Arne. KC is a monster with mongo-chops, but as a complete player, a la Freddie Washington or Jeff Young, I think Carlock has fallen just a bit short on this tour. He is well-respected and revered among the greater Dandom as his incredibly channeled groove-divinity is hailed time and again, but to keep it real, I’d like to see more depth beyond his acrobatics with this band, i.e. a more interactive approach to color between the instruments in the kit--a kind of painting while weaving in and out of the groove. There are a few contemporary drummers in the commercial world who stand out in this regard (many of whom have been mentioned here): Bernard Purdie, Stewart Copeland, Steve Gadd, Jeff “Tain” Watts, Antonio Sanchez... These guys don’t just merely lay it down. They blend, balance, and create within the feel. Jeff Porcaro was a great example of this as well, if we want to go with more Dan alum.
To Carlock's credit, some have seen him do other work and vouch that he has more going on than the big bang of groove-dom he exhibits with the Dan. Someone suggested that perhaps he is holding back creatively because he is being told what to do.
I think in his future, Carlock will emerge as a more sensitive player who wields his power on more musical levels. Right now, he's raw, albeit exciting. And that could be just the shot in the arm that DF and WB need.
He certainly can groove like a mo-fo, which is half the battle right there. By far, his most thrilling efforts on this tour have got to be TvN and Aja. The boy can play, and deserves the kudos for those inspired performances. I'm gonna stay tuned to see what this talent can do. I hope he continues on with our heroes--the guy has amazing potential, no doubt.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 04:36:59 ET
Posted by: Nwk, hothouse
Deacon: you are Royalty! thx greatly for so many truly wonderous and witty posts. Enjoy that afterglow as long as possible--we all know what happens later. I'm curious your solution for that void that inevitably comes on after the last beam has sunk beneath the horizon, oh yes, it'll get better.
Yea, Denise, coolness with the youtube clip of Slang of Ages. Seeing/hearing Walter perform Slang is a treat and great band intros, egh? . My fav vid on youtube is Godwhacker. It's so intricate. Gads, it was once taken down from the site-I was forlorn as hell for a spell. But now it's baaacckkk! That song just gets more and intricate and so "fied" if you get my drift. nwk sleepwalkin I guess.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 04:21:38 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, PARIS-BRUSSELS
Gina.
You cannot imagine how much people were asking about that DF t shirt and cap. I think i was the only person with such a shirt.
There were some Japanese folks searching like fools to have that Morph the cat thing at the T shirt stand. Can you believe me that those guys offered 50 euros to have my shirt and cap??
Who gives more?? lol.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 04:09:31 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, paris-brussels
Gina yes, i was that one with the Donald Fagen t shirt and cap. it's really a shame we missed each other and could not talk a little bit. Maybe next time.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 04:05:54 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, Still always in Paris
And then now it's time for the FRENCH GIG 10TH july.
If Brussels was great then Paris was really marvelous. What a fantastic crowd, a great venue and a beautiful city.
Let's begin with siome background news:
- Jim Pugh was back on stage (he was in Brussels too but i forgot to mention it).
- Michael Leonhart and Jon Herrington having their own show tonight at 9pm in the "Sunset Sunside Jazzclub". For those who wants to see this act, the adress is "60 rue des Lombards" nearby the metro "Chatelet". You have to pay 20 euros to enter the club.
- And then the most emocional fact of the evening was the BIRTHDAY celebration of Carolyn Leonhart. It was anounced by Donald and the crowd reacted immediately by singing "Happy birthday" ....with Donald on the keyboards.
A little bit earlier both girls received a very special present from Donald and Walter. They came on stage with two big boxes of French Chocolat and a big kiss from both bandleaders.Cindy and Carolyn were clearly very surprised.I don't know if this chocolat part of the show had something to do with Carolyns birthday.
I would have prefere to say it in person buthere i go:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAROLYN.
Another thing that took my attention was tis: Donald was clearly under the impression of that crazy, insane but enthousiast audience. At the end of the encore Donald stepped into Walters direction and from what i could understand of their bodylanguage was that Don was asking to do one more song. The response of Walters hand was very ferm and at least very clear. No!!
And now the show. Everybody was in the mood and i honestly am not be able to say something more than what i saw and heared one day earlier in Brussels. There were just GREAT.
From where i sat (mezanine) the sound was really not so good. It was as they were playing from the caves of Altamira. The voices and instruments were very far and gave a very misty impression. So after 10 minutes i went to the stagefloor and there it was a lot better.
The show started exactly at 9pm and ended at 10.50pm. So here's the setlist of last night:
Intro
Time out of mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneaker
Two against Nature
Hey 19
haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sister
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Bodhisatva
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE
FM
My Old School
Outro
As you see compared to Brussels it's almost the same setlist. Deaconblue replaced by Bodhisatva.
Well thinking about it!! Could it be they're reading the Bluebook??? In that case they played "Deaconblues" in Brussels just for me!!
Ok guys, i know what you're going to say! But just let me dream about it. Talking about dreams, i think i'm going to sleep a few hours. I just came back into my hotelroom. Paris by night is sometimes very wild.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 03:54:09 ET
Posted by: ps,
deacon, were you the guy wearing the Donald Fagen Band t-shirt......?
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 03:50:37 ET
Posted by: Gina,
Deacon, maybe you're in one of the pics i took, this is funny and weird lol!
so how was Paris? and are you still there going to the Leonhart/Herington gig? would be cool to see Jon play in another fashion.
off to work now and Hoops is right, send in stuff for the Dandom Digest!!!!
i was searching for reviews or such from the UK gigs but hard to find, will try to find more Belgium reviews and Dutch (from the North Sea Jazz) and then translate/note-wise when time
etc.
Donald played Aquarius from Hair in the beginning of Time Outa Mind, their first song.
Got it on tape, i just filmed snippets and not entire songs.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2007, 03:19:37 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
GINA, what a great review. I couldn't have done better. I sat in the first row just only 3 meters away from Donald. You were only a few rows from me? Dat is dan zeer spijtig because it would be a great thing to share such an experiences with people loike you. Maybe another time. Groetjes!!
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 21:06:48 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Newark, thanks for the slang link...I had not seen slang live, next best thing I guess.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 20:42:33 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...2 new pics added to the "pics from the road" section of SD.com
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 19:56:00 ET
Posted by: Nwk, hotyard
Bullgoose: Your post of Monday July 9 is so rich--I proclaim you Sir Bullgoose--Royal Prince of Prose in the fine company of Hoops, Royal Prince of Satire and Keeper of Peace in Dandom. nwk
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 18:40:49 ET
Posted by: Slurp1955, Manchester
Here's a review of the Hammersmith show from today's Guardian:
http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/livereviews/story/0,,2122711,00.html
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 16:04:17 ET
Posted by: Newark, MD
slang
http://www.youtube.com/user/carlospc
thx for leads.
gads!
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 15:32:10 ET
Posted by: manfred mann,
Check out the drummer in Manfred's Do Wa Ditty band --- Air Drums, but with a real drum set! I noticed the wacky technique, then saw he wasn't actually hitting the drums - he does hit a cymbal later on, but the drums probably masked the lip-sync track.
Young Donalds playing is inspired though. Love the little beard-thingy.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 13:25:13 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - man it's hot
Thanks for the reports from across the pond. I take it the pumpkins and mice are a reference to Cinderella - the horses and carriage turning back after the ball? I've been trying to figure it out all morning.
They just started non stop flights from Hartford to Amsterdam - I wonder if I could still catch a show in Germany. The Dan in Europe - what a kick.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 12:05:04 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
Hey Gina Darlink
thanks for that great Corpsy V montage
so 00 or 07?
sounds like a Bond kind of question
sorry you missed out on the Leonhart's
yes being up front is well worth it
and the sightlines are more refined
I couldn't see Jeff Young in Atlanta but really appreciated him in Portsmouth filling in on Don's extended notes. I couldn't see Freddy from my front row seat in Porstmouth and I'm a bass player damn it. But that was made up by having Don, Jeff, Carolyn and Cindy a few feet away. Even got a blown kiss from Cindy in her band intro.
New Orleans had a screen feed which made things nice, but Freddy was way too hot in the mix sonically.
Carlock with his cymbals set up the way they are is hard to see up close as well - he looked vampiric (up all night) in NOLA
probably was as that's close to home. Every other show I can barely see him. He was setup a little better on the Sting tour.
cheers from the topsoil, wormy
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 11:29:48 ET
Posted by: gee, Sun Mountain
and that bit where WB did Summertime was in Godwhacker
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 10:26:36 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
hey young donald unearthed,, i dont think thats really don playing keyboards! do any of you fellow danites know if he ever played with manfred mann( isnt he british)???
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 09:30:23 ET
Posted by: Arne, Rotterdam
Althuogh the Brussels show still bings big smiles to my face, I do have a few negatives when I compare with the 2AN show (see the DVD):
- Jon Herrington did not play (was not allowed to play?) any decent solo
- Becker's guitar work was poor compared to 7 years ago
- Keith Carlock was a bit too present. He was good in Aja and did what was expected from him, but he lacked subtlety and variation in my view
- the acoustics of the theater was such that details were lost. I could hardly hear Jeff Young, and Freddie Washington was not audible at all.
But all in all a great experience.
Arne
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 09:23:16 ET
Posted by: angel,
Gina: Thanks so much for taking the time to share your concert experience with us. I think I have mentioned it before but yes, Jon just seems to like to be alone, over to the side. I remember he did that even when he shared duties with Wayne Krantz, during the Donald solo tour. So glad you got to see those looks going between Donald and Walter. It's worth the drop in audio quality to actually see them in action. Those are the things I will miss the most, when they stop touring. Each night it is mostly the same songs but it's brand new each time, because it's live right there. :-)
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 09:18:07 ET
Posted by: brussels review,
in a national paper
summarized:
-not much Jon soloing, later on in the show he could prove he'd match SD's studio sessioned soloing.
-pristine perfect, to play a steady setlist (except for Deacon Blues) like this wasn't boring, but close to perfection
-mostly 40+ male audience (says the reporter) but loyal audience
-quetsioning why WB has to sing Haitian Divorce
-DF's voice surprisingly good for his age
-funky repertoire mostly with plenty soloing for the horn section, reporter praised FM and Aja for their 'slower' pace and poppier elements.
-WB's solos were lyrical and subtile
-the concert as an ode to their jazz heritage
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 07:02:39 ET
Posted by: ps,
oh, was indeed Babylon Sister, not Don't Take Me Alive (wishful thinking)... and Walter played Summertime as in intro, somewhere, got it on video....
and DF did this 'uptown baby' kind a thing somewhere too, when Keith was setting a pace on his own... he used different words, but you get the idea... could have said 'yo mama' or 'i hear ya', it's the rhythm of it that counts :-)
it was funny.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 06:56:18 ET
Posted by: Gina,
hey... as Deacon said, great show. wrote this up as notes, just back home and off to the grind.
---
So it's a little over 01.00 AM and i just watched some of the pics and movieclips. It's quiet here in this neighbourhood and while i am writing, the band is well on its way to Paris. I was supposed to meet with Carolyn and Michael Leonhart for an interview, but there wasn't much time. Steely Dan played close to 2 hours if i'm not mistaken, i saw a lot of mice and pumpkins when i left the venue... then Michael called, to say they were on a tight schedule but that they at least wanted to say hi. So i got back inside and we chitchatted briefly, nice people, the Leonharts.
Time Out Of Mind, Bad Sneakers, Aja, Josie, Hey 19, Godwhacker, Green Earrings, My Old School, FM, Haitian Divorce, Don't Take Me Alive, Two Against Nature, Dirty Work... is what i remember now, not in order of appearance.
At first, the sound seemed a bit muffled, but i was close (row 4, right in front of DF and FW) to the stage and figured that's the price to pay for having a view like i had... After the first three songs, the sound got better.
Getting tired now. Oh. Jim Pugh was present. Walter did a lot of soloing, Jon seemed lonely where he was on stage... Donald had a great time and really seems to be in a universe of his own when performing but he had a good time for sure. Keith Carlock is amazingly energetic and kept a steady pace along with Freddie Washington. I couldn't see Jeff Young as he was right behind Donald. The entire horn section was tight and the arrangements of some songs were slightly different, in my opinion even better. "Dirty Work" was cool, less seventies and more abstract, due to Michael's brief trumpet solo. Cindy and Carolyn gave it their soul.
The audience was appreciative to say the least and people hurried up front when the band disappeared but they finally returned to stage, welcomed by a hungry crowd. I saw a lot of smiles and you could tell people had a great time.
It was sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, saw 12 year olds and up... but there were also a lot of young folks, under 30... and a lot of Dutch folks.
This is a tired mind speaking. The Sam Yahel Trio was cool too, with the Dutch guitarist Jesse van Ruller, i've seen him when he was just starting out and he really is a fine player. I wasn't really feeling well, to be in a huge crowd eats my energy and the vibes that went back and forth and such were strange. But i survived and sensed as the concert evolved, the music lifted my spirit some and it made me feel good.
One last remark, before closing up for now. I really have to respect Donald Fagen and Walter Becker for doing this. To get up on stage almost every evening, and do their thing. Play the same songs.
When the crowd cheered for an encore, Walter was surprised by the audience's enthusiasm and flattered as well, i think. By the time they played their two songs, FM and Old School, Walter was smiling and really taking in the cheering. Donald is a clown. His entrance was funny, his interludes made people laugh and what i enjoyed the most about sitting so close, was to see him have a really good time. There wasn't much genuine interaction between the musicians, the girls checked with Jeff Young quite often and Walter and Donald kept checking back and forth, but it was a plan they followed, and touring like they do, well, it must cost a lot of energy to keep it going.
On my way out, i heard people say it was far out better than 'last time' which was 7 years ago.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 06:20:32 ET
Posted by: mr funk,
review from birmingham gig:
http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/0607072.html
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 06:07:35 ET
Posted by: mr funk,
nice review of liverpool gig:
http://www.liverpool.com/reviews/review:-steely-dan-summer-pops-aintree-racecourse.html
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 05:50:22 ET
Posted by: Frank Archer, Rainy London
A few comments re London gig ,thought excellent concert ,but as a very long time dan devotee felt ,we needed a "reeling in the years " a "rikki dont lose .... and definitley a fagen solo offering to have made it an even more memorable experience ,greedy i know but 7 years was a long wait ,and doubt they will make the british shores again ,sadly .
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 02:12:23 ET
Posted by: None, None
Very good site! You are wellcome to visit mine!:
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 01:24:22 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
We disappear for a few days in Vegas and return to discussions of Ian Anderson? Bungle in the Jungle? That takes me back. An unsolicited word of caution to the Rajah: Be careful whom you threaten to spank; the intended victim may have some heretofore unknown "Hunting Girl" tendencies. Sorry Hoops for the brief non-Dan digression.
GW
Date: Tues, July 10, 2007, 00:12:02 ET
Posted by: young donald unearthed!, extra extra
young donald's first band. great keyboard playing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fh7B5zWHzw&mode=related&search=
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 22:47:32 ET
Posted by: Don,
You won't see any Fagen solo music on this tour, Becker wouldn't allow it.
Maybe Fagen will play another solo tour and Becker will play a show at a small club.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 22:37:00 ET
Posted by: Mr. A. Jemima, Amish Country
Almost Gothic flows over me like warm maple syrup.......syrup that cascades down the sides of my soulful pancake with rhytmic, buttery goodness........its waterfalls create amber ponds of sucrose I frolic in frothily.....Much to the chagrin [Falls] of it's Amish distiller whom disdains such disrespectful displays.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 22:24:22 ET
Posted by: dop, i've been around
¿ain't nothing like a box of fresh good & plenty's - eh?
dop
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 19:23:57 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I'm really surprised that not one solo Fagen song is being played on
the Euro leg?!! There were no Fagen solo shows across the pond and even the original press release said they would be doing some solo stuff. Let's see, nearly 40 shows in and no Fagen solo stuff? Not even one track?
Okay, Euro fans, what would you rather hear, "Deacon Blues" or a Fagen solo track?
What Fagen solo track would you want?
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 19:21:14 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
It was very impressive.
Negative points?? Yes of course because they are humans you know:
- Donald missed completely a note during Peg. Jon was doing his solo thing and Donald fadad in while Herrington had not completely finished his artwork.
-Jon should have done some more but i had the impression he was not aloud to do it. Shame.
-Deaconblues, the greatest surprise of the night was at the same time the greatest desception . They have to work a little more on it before to put it in setlist. They were not feeling very comfortable on this one. Keith fucked up this pearl. But we like to forgive it to him because during the other 15 songs he was just great. Sober but great.He did a great shuffle during Babylon Sisters.
-Haitian Divorce and everyone knows why i think.
Highlights??? Sure, the rest of the show. My favourites were Godwhacker (what a horn section), Two against nature (what a great musicianship), Grean earings, Kid Charlemagne, Aja of course , the encores but most of all the girls on dirty work (standing ovation).
I know there were a lot of different opinions the last days. But those who didn't like their shows have a big problem.
They don't like real music and musicianship.
Tomorrow i will be in Paris, so now i'm going to sleep.
Goodnight Danners.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 19:00:33 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Just came back from the BRUSSELS concert in Forest national.
The only thing i can say is that they blew me and the all audience away. This was as so far my personal greatest SD gig. It was the same level of Donalds last years concert in temecula.
GREAT GREAT GREAT!!
After the nice but to softie half a hour act of the Sam Yahel trio there was a little interval about 20 minutes.
And than it was so far. At exactly 9.30pm they began until 11.25pm. Indeed, an almost two hour show. The setlist was the same as the previos days in England. There was ONE great surprise, at least for me. But i let it discover yourself in the following setlist:
Intro: Jeri
Time out of mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneaker
Two against Nature
Hey 19
haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sister
Grean Earings
Dirty Work
Josie
Deaconblues
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE
FM
My Old School
Great setlist, great sound and everybody was in a great form and mood. They received in return a great response from the public.
After the show i saw nothing than lucky and under the impression people. I must say that it wa
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 18:23:58 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 17:57:23 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Kalvin -
That's a hoot...my guess is you'll emerge on the other side of this thing OK (I'd recommend a strong support system until you are comfortable enjoying the music of SD, as you once did, without the concert flashbacks). It's early on for you right now...understand, you are JUST coming down...consult this site, though....that's part of the reason why the site exists (I don't think I want to know some of the other reasons).
On the upside, those concert moments will become galvinized (and Kalvinized) as you season out..savor it.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 17:28:49 ET
Posted by: Slurp1955, Manchester
I suppose for true Dan authenticity the Liverpool gig should have featured a severed horse's head during the encore. The actual beast was a prop from Aintree's Equestrian Centre where they were playing.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 16:32:57 ET
Posted by: Kalvin , Portsmouth, England
Many thanx Bob. I've have this lost sort of feeling all day that not only could I not understand, but was also finding it hard to describe, continually getting my mucking ferds wuddled in trying to do so. Then you sir, like a shining light just come along and nailed it it one...going to a Steely Dan show (or two) is narcotic, and coming down after them is painful...it's back to the cold turkey I guess...
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 14:36:09 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
What was the story behind Walty and the horse?
thanks
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 13:41:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ed - Jesus, you are funny, I missed your post yesterday and just saw it now. You're killing me. Specially when I think of HER, what a tremendous pain in the ass she is. But you, you are our rock. Old, yes; worn out, maybe; but still the standard. How 'bout you and me teaming up and kicking that punk-ass Hoops into next week? Not for nothin', just for funn?
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 13:19:50 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo and UK...and it's still raining!
LWO, Alan and Per, the horse pic will be with you all as soon as I get back to Borneo.
Seriously regretting having sold my London tix, but too late now. If there's anyway I can do Oz, I will.
Has any other Dan fan out there done 3 continents?
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 10:42:37 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Steve & Mike -
Well stated...SD concerts are narcotic...I hate coming down after them.
I'm Steve's age...had the good fortune to see SD first in '74 on the last tour...Jeff Porcaro, Mike MacDonald (before he was Mike MacDonald), Royce Jones in addition to the band. I watched the 2 drummers performance as intently as I could with all else there was to see...Jim Hodder was using a Camco (now Drum Workshop) set...Porcaro was using the Ludwig single headed tom set up and many cymbals (I know too much drum info...the drummers like to read it)...and I could only imagine the origin of the cymbals that Procaro was using (you could spot that ride that became famous on Katy Lied)...no doubt most old Istanbul K Ziljians his dad gave him or he found in CA music stores (dad Joe is a long time session guy...rumor has it that Jeff's insecurity was, in large measure, induced by some cruelty on Joe's part...anyone have the skinny on that?). That concert was in Detroit and I've always wondered...was that the inspiration for the Rose Darling line, in reference to Snake Mary "I would guess she's in Detroit, with lots of money in the bank"...........of course, I could be wrong.
Regarding you appreciation of Keith Carlock, I remember the first time seeing Billy Cobham...jaw-dropping...many have come along since but he was the first (I'd seen Buddy Rich before that so I knew a good player but Cobham defied reason...watch the Mahavishu clips on youtube and imagine seeing that for the first time in '71). I had the 2 LPs by Dreams before seeing him so I knew he was good but I was woefully unprepared for what I saw. If you haven't seen Cobham, check him out as he's past 60 now but is still strong...of course, billycobham.com has video...should be relatively easy to do so there as he lives in Switzerland and plays European venues 90% of the time.
BTW, did you notice how Walter watches the stage like a hawk? Something you can only see up close.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 10:09:50 ET
Posted by: Mike, London
I'm never sure of the protocol regarding cameras at gigs. hen we saw the Dan in Santa Barbara, everyone was frisked. As tourists, we went everywhere with our camera, so were forced to check it in.
These days, there are so many people snapping away with their camera phones that I don't think they bother to check you out in London, unless you're carrying something prety bulky. My snaps were taken with a tiny pocket camera. There was no way that a flash would work, even up-front, so I had to rely on stage lighting.
I liked the comments about the big smiles on the old guys' faces. That audience certainly came out knowing that they had seen something special. The Steely Dan groove does not fade quickly, I've spent the whole day grooving to the Pine Knob clips and checking the site for people's comments - it's the kind of thing that you can do when you're an old geezer with no work to do.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 09:41:38 ET
Posted by: Newark, Dark Room Photography of Art
Right on Duncan--thx for those great pics--and others who shared too--such luck and treasures and keeps us voyeurtypes at bay. I have NOT had success with pocket cameras and the Dan--always a snafu--always: forgedaboutit. And for some flippin reason any click of Donald just never works (but you guys got some of his aura--COOL!) --Either Donald's guardian angel is quite on task to intercede or the lighting is so shielding that it really makes those digits go bezerk. Perhaps it's really tough to (ugh, clear throat) to penetrate the lights in order to capture that one and only Fagen countenance.
When it comes to venue rules and artists and an okay-for-pics, I see that still most big games won't dance, but I've never understood how free hype could hurt an artist. Maybe free hype is passe or blazay or whatever to our artists, and we gotta grant them their idiosyncratic desires. [Sidebar: I got an autograph from Bela Fleck the other day---AHHHHHHHHHH!!!] I'm pretty sure at most vens nowadays that pocket cameras inside are okay because GADS, it's so unlikely with the lighting and and distance and digits that a pocket snap can do much of anything--I've got plenty of evidence of that and busted cameras thx to the Dan. Hey if you get a snap--and you did capture Walt, charmer that he is--then congrats and well done. Isn't it true, if an artist is in a public place, then it's okay to take photos, right?
I can almost imagine which songs they are playing by the lighting and it gets trippy and more lush and complex later on. Your photos captured the mesmorizing mise en scene. Kudos artists and light guy(s) [are there lights in those monitor boxes? wtf?]
To me its a fkdup situation when it comes to digits and the Dan--you sweethearts who captured the artist on film defied nature, so be careful.
Hoppy Boithday to Hoops!
GEoff on jetlag?
Gotta date, can't be late! nwk
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 09:31:17 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Ooops..."Steely Day" (good cover band name?)
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 09:28:14 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Taking a moment away from a favorite Southern snack...Pork Skins w/ BBQ Sauce (this time it's what's for breakfast).
I am the poster re: Erskine...yes, I should have written tempo instead of meter. Reelin' in 15?...it's possible...didn't DF say he was listening to Don Ellis back in the day...he said Ellis had a nice R&B number at the time...no doubt "Pussy Wiggle Stomp" (that's really the title!). I'd recommend the live version of it on "Don Ellis at Fillmore" (recently reissued by that great reissue label Wounded Bird...woundedbird.com). The tune is taken in a simple (to the Ellis band anyway) 7/4. It seems to be true, once you listen to a credible band swing an odd tempo (damn it, I did it again!...I meant meter), it does seem confining sometimes to hear just meters derived from 4 or 3...ex: the popularity of "Take Five".
Incidentallly, the band members would refer to Don Ellis as Don Elvis due to his cape, etc....he composed the music to the French Connection film and died in '78 (at age 44) from congenital heart problems. His work, once again, is more evidence that there was much happening musically in the '60s & '70s and little happening today. A lot of guys graduated from the Ellis band: Tom Scott, Jay Graydon (first guy I heard use a "bag" on guitar in the Ellis band...way before Walsh and Frampton), Ralph Humphrey (another good drummer fit for SD), John Klemmer, etc.
For those interested in superb drumming (who isn't that reads this site), listen to Bruford's licks on "One More Red Nightmare" on King Crimson's "Red" album...an excellent album in its entirety and accomplished both musically & lyrically ala SD...and Bruford apparently found that cymbal (Camber?...you'll know the cymbal when you hear it) bent in half by the previous owner lying in a studio trash can at the start of the session. If you haven't heard it, I guarantee you have never heard a more perfectly trashy-sounding (pun?) cymbal used in such a perfect context. Saw KC (not Keith) w/ Robin Trower in support of "Starless and Bible Black" and "Bridge of Sighs"...again, nothing like that today.
Last but not least, thanks to kind soul that posted the Pine Knob SD clips...saw a great many shows there (had a freind that worked the gate...a lot of shows) in the mid '70s including Joni w/ the LA Express (it was sublime)...with the late John Guerin...now he would have been an excellent fit with Steely Day.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 09:00:02 ET
Posted by: Steve, London
Well, what can I say except I am still buzzing following Saturday at the Apollo. Don't ask me why but I dreaded an anti-climax, this being my first SD gig. For this 52 year old, it was just a wonderful evening. Great seats in the 4th row right in front of Walter and John Herrington (and right behind Dunc, judging by his excellent pics). Even my wife had a great time despite not being a huge SD fan and also the man mountain sitting in front of her! The only thing that came remotely close to spoiling it for me were the 2 w**kers behind us who arrived in their seats after it started and proceeded to yak most of the way through the show. As far as I could tell, they were the only people in the audience sitting down for the last 3 or 4 songs.
Anyway, the thing that struck me most, and surprised me, was Donald's stage presence - what a star! Actually, I lie. What really knocked me for six was Keith Carlock's drumming. I'd read about him on this board for weeks in the run up to the show but nothing really prepared me for the real thing. I'm not one for applauding solos during songs or getting carried away with anything but I was out of my seat twice during Aja and would have gladly followed Carlock to the ends of the earth at that exact moment in time. Mid-life crisis? Forget it - I want to be a drummer when I grow up!!
On the way out everyone (mostly male and over 45) seemed to be shaking their heads in awe and all had that strange little satisfied but rueful smile that seemed to say - "It's been a long time since I felt like that (and how many more times will I feel like it again?)".
Needless to say, having the house to myself for most of the day, Sunday was spent blasting out Aja and the rest and perfecting my drumming style! (Although I did find a bit of time to watch the Tour de France speeding its way through my beautiful home county of Kent.)
Why oh why have I never made the effort to catch them on previous tours?
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 08:57:46 ET
Posted by: angel,
Bullgoose: I saw Steely Dan with Michael McDonald there in 2006. Pine Knob is a ski resort that just happens to have an outdoor Theatre on the property. It's known as DTE Energy Theatre nowdays.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 07:51:53 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Bullgoose:
"Have you noticed that there is no such thing as a Rhodes player who can't play?"
Very fair point. LOL
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 07:37:49 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey those Pine Knob clips on youtube are the real deal. Great groove in Godwhacker.
The Bullgoose eschews rudity, crudity and lewdery, but is Pine Knob a locale or someone's nickname? Actually, there's a town in South Australia called Iron Knob. It would have to be the second best location in Australia, after Muswellbrook of course, for Steely Dan to play is my opinion i must say don't you know.
Hey Lisa G, same to you I'm sure. Back in the dank, dark days of Running Bear I learned to feel 15 time, The drummer was lumpy and the singer couldn't count. She lost concentration every time she took a breath. When we played a shuffle I'd average their grooves and end up with 15. They were also notoriously inconsistent and so we only hit 'one' together every seven bars or so. The saddest thing was that quite a few couples chose Running Bear for their 'Bridal Waltz". Enough with the Running Bear. It's out of my system, and let's never speak of it again.
Jeff Richman does some nice metrical jiggery pokery with Josie on The Royal Dan.
Have you noticed that there is no such thing as a Rhodes player who can't play?
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 06:16:06 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mike:
Many thanks for that.
Actually, I DON'T know how to arrange a DVD transfer of it!! LOL If I could prevail upon you further for your help in that reagrd, it would be great.
Please feel free to email me if you prefer.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 05:57:42 ET
Posted by: Mike, London
Pine Knob 2003
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves Of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang Of Ages
Peg
Home At Last
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Things I Miss The Most
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
--------------------
My Old School
FM
Of course, you do know how to DVD this.
Have fun!
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 03:18:22 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Could anyone help with a set list for the Pine Knob show currently on YouTube?
Predictably, I've saved all the clips to a Play List, but I'm struggling to get them in the right order!! LOL
Any help would, as always, be very much appreciated.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 02:32:49 ET
Posted by: LisaG, one louder
Whew! That was over two hours of reading and I must say, I am personally enjoying living these concerts via the Greater Dandom's entertaining reviews and banter. Wish I was going to be in Europe this summer...I think the audiences there would be quite fun to share some space with.
bullgoose--what a hoot. Yes, I thought something similar when I read the Erskine comment, but I wasn't going the way of the pointed stick. Had to be tempo. Hmmm, Reeling in 15. How would you work the phrases? Maybe 8+7? Drop a beat every fourth measure? That reminds me of the old "Strangers in the Night" in 5 joke. :-D Your post made me want to sample a little of Oz.
::sigh:: But if only I could ever make my way to Tuscany...
Here's hoping Jim Pugh is doin’ alright.
It certainly is interesting to read the variations in people's perspectives regarding the concerts. If it's sound that bothers you, sometimes a bad mix from your seat can ruin even the best efforts. Keep the reviews coming.
And remember, these go to 11.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2007, 00:53:05 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Newark, thanks for the thumbs up and request for details of the state of play in Boomerang Land. Well, to paint you a picture of the current situation in Australia, you could cut the air with a cheese grater, such is the general expectation, expectoration, excitation and yip yip yippery abroad in every town, city and bandicoot burrow since Dan fans heard that the arcane Gang of Two and their hipster jazzbo craven lackeys were to essay upon a trip of trips and indeed, finally, 'tour the southland'.
Not a peep has been heard from the Prime Minister on the subject. Let's face it: he is not one of us. Understanding only cricket, chicanery, and Eye To The Main Chance, he represents a negation of all human and steely values, and as such is unlikely to be leading the charge for any civic welcomes for the hardy Dan visitors. The bad news is that there is no god. The good news is that John Howard won't be coming back.
Whilst there will be no speeches in the national parliament about the Dan tour, at every other level preparations are well in hand. Muswellbrook has been placed on the national register of sacred sites, and is to become a Sister City to Donald's hometown, Passaic NJ. Local school children have been given the day off to line the streets armed with melodions and fresh fruit. All eyes are to alternately scour the skies for the hallowed steely jetliner and the roads for tour buses. One hundred merit points will go to the first youngster to spot the Steely procession.
Shearing sheds, crocodile tanneries and snakebite antivenine laboratories are left in Marie Celestian silence as operatives and functionaries down tools to jog with show folk, scoff spiced dumplings and generally participate in a groove-oriented Peasant's revolt of sorts. Wombat-proof fences are springing up at venues across the continent and gimlet-eyed platypus wranglers are scouring auditoria on a weekly basis. Nothing is being left to chance. A national newspaper actually carried a full page article on the boys. The author had done some research, but tripped up when he claimed that Keith Jarrett had sued Steely Dan over the song Aja!
Baby boomers, freaks and hep cats alike have queued for tickets. Nearly everyone in Australia will be at the shows. Some people won't front, but that's their problem. The nation is buzzing like the transformers Nigel Tufnel's Marshall stack. I've written to the nation's top TV interviewer, Andrew Denton and our most erudite music jock, Andrew Ford, to goose them into lining up interviews.
Bullgoose plans to facilitate a tasteful Danfest in Brisbane, and Alan and Jeri from Shellharbour are sniffing out the ambience of potential boltholes in Sydney.
More than that, at this stage, I cannot add. I need to complete a composition called The Giant Rat of Sumatra by the weekend. Every word, I swear, is true.
Hey Lisa G, good to see someone walking the musical walk with a command of the musician's lingo. Not to be pedantic, but the poster with the Peter Erskine anecdote got me alarmed when they mentioned him counting in a Dan tune 'in a different meter'.That would really be a provocative jab of a pointy stick into the Beckerian bull ants' nest. I guess they meant 'tempo', but, then again, it would be fun to hear Reelin' In The Years in, say, 15.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 23:25:54 ET
Posted by: a casual observer,
I've heard that blue Gatorade does wonders for that....or possibly whatever pharmaceuticals bandleaders Becker and Fagen have in their shave kits!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 23:07:11 ET
Posted by: jimpugh, is in the same place Herington was in boston
Jim pugh is in the same place Herington was in boston
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 22:54:43 ET
Posted by: Fife, sunny Florida, eh
New pics at SD.com. Walter with the horse very funny!
Great chatting with everyone last night.
Fife
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 22:44:28 ET
Posted by: oh cranky, isle of wrong
top ten reasons Jim Pugh isn't on the british leg
11) he couldn't get the words bollocks, bloody and ell into his vocabulary fast enough
10) keith richards swapped blood with him in the airport and now he can't pass customs
9) too much cialis and now his horn is stuck for 48 hours in 7th position
8) Wayne E. thinks he's the one who put Carolyn on the duff and is looking for him
7) he was pissed when boy toy Leonhart took the Babylon muted trump solo before he could wet his lips
6) he's been cryogenetically froze with allota fagina
soon to be playing in the London offbroadway "cathouse blues"
5) he's got the Chateau in Nice for tax evasion purposes
(NPR theme song is mega bank)
4) nice guys don't finish last, they don't finish
3)Slinky Redfoot has his mouthpiece
2) his spit valve opened on Walter during the Hey 19 dialog and suddenly it was Hey New Trombonist
1) Bad sneekers and a pina colada can't touch pints of Guiness and floor
gimt
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 21:36:26 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Dad, behave yourself!
Geoff, share your adventures, please!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 21:09:17 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @spankme first
Raj
I'm first if your spanking anyone
big fella
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 19:45:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Goeff - you blaggard, no woman is safe around you, you smooth devil, more power to ya mate, blimey, I'm glad someone's still got it...
LWO, I will spank whom I choose, wife notwithstanding, and you are first in line.
Assume the position.
Oh, and go Steely Dan!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 17:57:29 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Mike and Duncan: thanks for the photos.
Deacon Blue: hope you have a great time tomorrow.
Jim: happy (belated) birthday to you.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 17:09:02 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Dunc:
Excellent pics as always!!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 16:51:47 ET
Posted by: Bad Trainers, England
Hi all
This is my first comment on dandom so forgive me if i don't use the right lingo!
Saw the Hammersmith gig last night and thought they were ALL superb!
The last time I saw them was at Wembley on the Two Against Nature tour and was lucky enough to be front row then so was a bit worried that last night wouldn't be able to compete.
I needn't have worried, even though I was nowhere near the front, the atmosphere amongst the crowd was like no other gig I've been to and the band were in my opinion better. (never seen such an amzing bunch of musicians) I left on such a high and the only disappointment was not hearing Babylon Sisters sung by the gorgeous BV's!
Pure magic for me, would like to hear more from anyone else who was there.
Bad Trainers
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 16:49:41 ET
Posted by: Jive,
I have seen 3 or 4 Steely Dan tribute bands and watched a few others over the net. The only band that didn't have that "loungey" sound was the Steely Damned in San Diego. Although I wasn't a big fan of the lead singer, they had the energy and attitude. I believe they were all professional musicians, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Geoff, fill us in!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 16:26:22 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
London was awesome!!
A triumph, sorry beer's NIA was a 10 but like the ''TAP'' Hammersmith took it to 11.
Donalds comment said it all ''you guys are wild, your bugging me out''
Highlights.... everthing.
An unforgettable weekend*
thank you.
D&L
* the photo's & video help
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richmondschoolreunion01-04-2006/
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:48:30 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Not Nearly Enough:
Couldn't agree more. LOL
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:45:32 ET
Posted by: Besides that, it sounds like something in the rhythm section is a bit off.,
That's for sure.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:44:05 ET
Posted by: Not Nearly Enough, Since you mentioned it...
I watched that Nearly Dan video and am amazed that you think they "beat the real thing hands down". They are not bad, but they have fallen into that SD cover/tribute band trap. They play the notes, they do not "feel" the music. They come off sounding like a lounge act or wedding band covering a song. Steely Dan is not about hitting the notes, it is about the edge and the attitude. Most cover bands just can't pull this off, they sound like a bunch of 40-somethings with day jobs (maybe that's because they usually are!). That Nearly Dan clip is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
Besides that, it sounds like something in the rhythm section is a bit off.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:22:52 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
Geoff, I haven't read a thing about what you said has probably already been said. Please do tell if you have the time.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:12:38 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Newark
LWO - Here I am! I went to the UK for a couple of shows. Slept on my own all week, but when I get back to Dallas tonight I er okay I better give you a call with the rest of the story.
I'll be in IAH for an hour or so later tonight.
Hey no JT anywhere near us? I wouln't have gone except I here there are are some interesting people in the band.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:05:42 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Cover Band Sam:
Sorry, but I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. LOL
If it helps, however, I propose that you continue to post what you want to post and I'll do likewise.
Deal?
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 15:00:43 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Newark
just came to have a look at the Liverpool reports... haven't scrolled down that far yet. It was even better that Brum. I guess the horse encore has been well covered, including Walter's hilarious "scousers, scousers, fucking scousers everywhere", just after he pretendend to hang his gutar over its head. No doubt someone has already explained what that means, and the humour.
- geoff
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 14:39:37 ET
Posted by: Warren,
warrenkr00ga - This may have been true in the 70's. Read the stuff over at Walter Becker Dot Com. It's not the least bit funny or entertaining. I think even he (Walter Becker) might have lost his edge (shitting in his girl's purse aside)
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 14:31:16 ET
Posted by: warrenkr00ga,
"MTC would have had much more biting, dark lyrics had it been a SD offering. Walter has the edge in lyrics, severed heads aside."
I'd say this mostly true. Most of the writing at sd.com are predominantly the doings of Becker, right? However, I do think a lot of the creativity and fun storytelling comes from Fagen (maybe the enigma, too?). The Nightfly is my evidence for that, as is the song Century's End.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 14:27:09 ET
Posted by: Cover Band Sam, dream land
bassicinstinc- Oh please. You're starting to sound like W1P.
In your dreams. Just let it go and we'll make believe you people aren't posting such nonsense.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 13:19:16 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Anyone wanting to test the veracity (or otherwise) of the statement that the tribute band Nearly Dan "beat the real thing hands down" can check them out at their leisure on YouTube.
Here's one for starters:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kfkdAvAGCVI
I think that any further comment from me would be not only redundant but also inappropriate.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 13:02:13 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Time to drastically reduce my meds big time I think people cos if all/any of the negative reports on last night gig are even a tiny bit true, then who the hell did I see perform one ass wipingly storming set in Hammersmith? Like I said, this was the seventh time I have been fortunate to see the band, the third time in the last six weeks, so I'm not classing myself as a starry eyed first timer, but in my humble opinion, last night blew the other six clean out of the water ! Whatever...
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 13:01:54 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, an honest man
IMHO, Donald and Walter have discussed their takes on songwriting in some of the interviews that they have done since 2vN came out. When they write, it is not autobiographical, but snippets/vignettes/musings from a character ("Mr. Steely Dan") who experiences some of what the songs project. Is it everyman? In many ways, I think so.
But I do think 11 TOW is honest, vulnerable and visceral. So is MTC. Some passages lightened with some oddball humor, but as our dear friend Rajah recently opined, MTC would have had much more biting, dark lyrics had it been a SD offering. Walter has the edge in lyrics, severed heads aside.
Lovely chat last night in the Green, folks. Thank you for making a stay at home Saturday night fun!
Oh and Rajah, your wife won't let you spank me. Remember we've BTDT before.....
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 12:54:44 ET
Posted by: Bloke,
"There's a tribute band called Nearly Dan who play the Jazz Cafe twice a year, and I've got to say that they beat the real thing hands down"
Prince of Darkness ( I mean Eithne) - It's time for you to get a life. By the way, are you the drummer or the bass player in Nearly Dan?
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 12:42:28 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
And lastly, I'm not too sure new millenium Dan is much more "honest" than the original. To me, from a lyrical standpoint, Janie Runaway is quite lewd (right in your face!) and one of the most pointless stories SD ever wrote. Same with Cousin Dupree. West of Hollywood (love this song much more) wallows in the same loserdom and alternative lifestyle many characters of the early SD storybook did. Jack of Speed I think most returns to the original and phenomenal story-telling style of the original SD out of the four I have mentioned- maybe it is more relevant to us humans ("honest" maybe you would say) but definitely remains dark with the vast majority of stories in the SD catalog.
I haven't really analyzed EMG quite yet. Things I Miss the Most is probably the most directly personal song SD has written, but I'm not quite sure about the stories of the others yet.
So, from what I have indulged myself in, SD has remained dark, sardonic, cryptic, and witty.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 12:23:28 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
And while I can see where you come from on SD's sarcastic side- I don't believe any of their songs end up condoning the activities they speak of. They let the listener gleem from them what they will, but I don't think any of the drug-abusing alcoholic rapists of the Steely Dan storybook ever ended up happy.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 12:19:34 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
BC,
I'd like to who DF and WB were- were they hardcore druggies? Were they the characters in their songs? Did they experiences all those effed-up things they wrote about? Or were they occasional users of recreational drugs who enjoyed writing about things no one else did?
Just because SD didn't write about happy love and the perfect life doesn't mean their lyrics weren't honest. They were just writing about different things, things no one else did and things fewer people experienced. On one hand, who are everyone else to tell us about how love should be experienced? Why should they preach to us? What's the point? WB and DF probably found the typical love song trite, and wanted to do something different, sharing stories, experiences, and life values no one else could or dared to. Plus, on many occasions, it's way more entertaining and funny.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 11:51:19 ET
Posted by: BC,
You know I adore the music of SD but I wonder why these guys have had, especially in the past, such a difficult time being ingenuous either personally or lyrically.
When you listen to the best music of say, Dylan, The Beatles or James Taylor, their lyrics are guileless yet witty and sometimes cryptic but mostly HONEST and VULNERABLE.
I wonder if SD's personal pasts had hardened their hearts/emotions to the point of HIDING BEHIND THEIR LYRICS (SEMTIMENT) AND THEY CONSEQUENTLY SPITEFULLY LAUGHED AT THOSE THAT THEY SECRETLY FEARED/ADMIRED - PRETENDING TO BE PSEUDO-JAZZBOS.
If you look at the demise of SD I - WB getting hit by a car, his girl dying from an OD, HIMSELF resembling character out of one of his own songs, DF collapsing - WHY did these events happen?
You can only bullshit yourself for so long then it catches up to you and IRONICALLY bites your own sarcastic ass in the end.
Maybe that's why SD II is a more humane, REAL, creature today .
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 11:38:59 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Also i was wondering if Mr. Nightingale is just doing the English part of their European tour. Is in that case Jim Pugh continuing the rest or will Mark Nightingale will be replaced by a third tromboneplayer.
Concerning Brussels i really quiet sure harmonicalegend Toots Thielemans is going to be there because he'sz always there when Steely Dan is passing through Belgium. I hope this time the great "Toots" will doing something on stage with Walter and Donald.
So let's make a rendez vous my dear Bluefriends. Tommorrownight around 6pm you can expect a very detailed review about their passage here in Brussels.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 11:20:43 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Well rajah, maybe we should ask Sir Paul and Mr. Gilmour what they think about last night show in London.
I presume, just the way you said it,people have to let the things go and just enjoy the show just like it is from time to time.
I remember last year when i was in LA to see Donald fagens soloconcerts in Temecula and LA. Temecula was perfection while i had double feelings about the LA gig in the Wiltern because the sound was really sucking right over there.
Does that means that the show was disapointing?? Not at all, it was a great time to be there. It just depends how you feel the whole thing and how you're interpretating your own feelings and expectations.
Tommorrow they will be in Brussels. "Forest National" did not have such a good reputation concerning the acoustic. But i'm sure i'm going to have good time.
One other thing!! Jim Pugh has been replaced by Mark Nightingale on trombone. Is there some more information about that change??
The only thing i know about this guy, is that he has a lot of experience. He played in the past for Sinatra, Sting, Royal London Philharmonic Orchestra and also for afakejazzband named Shakatak.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 10:03:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Verrry interesting,Dandom...the difference of your experiences of the London show. What is it, I wonder as I sit on my prayer rug, that makes one person enjoy a show and another be disappointed? Is it a matter of expectations...taste...musical knowledge...the inability to let go and just have a jolly old time? Many questions, my soul mates, very few answers...
LWO - We ARE still talking to each other, our last online spat notwithstanding because we happen to love the same thing. Oh you are a caution, young lady, and probably deserve to be sharply spanked which I will happily deliver upon our next meeting. Oh, and extend my love to your darling young girls, they are your treasures as is mine, 33 years young and giving me grand children. You bitch.
Newark, TvN is a marvelously arrogant tune. It's an affirmative statement that screams, "we're not dead, we're back - and deal with it."
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 09:45:32 ET
Posted by: mrfunk,
hi mike
maybe my comments were a little harsh
no i wasnt at the london gig but was at the liverpool one and it was
damn near perfection so i was amazed to hear some people
being critical of the band's so called half hearted performances!!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 09:31:48 ET
Posted by: Mike, London
Hi MrFunk
It's a bit hard of you to knock anyone whose assessment of the show is less than glowing. We're all 'real fans' on this site and, personally I feel that Eithne has made some good points. Were you at the gig?
I've seen the Dan nine times at least and this was, for me, their least effective performance. Unfortunately, I was sitting right at the end of the row and I suspect that the poor sound was due to this. When I stormed the stage for the encore (carefully avoidiing the zimmers) I was up front dead centre and it sounded great.
High points: My Old School, Kid Charlegmane, Josie, Time Out Of Mind. Low points 2vN, Dirty Work ( which was fantastic in 2000 ). I felt that J.H. was under-used and the guitars not clear enough from my position. Seven years ago at the same venue, the guitar work was devistating, as I recall. The sound was better in the Santa Barbara open air gig a few years back. Nice set list, spanning their entire career. Everyone is going to have their own favourites, but surely there was something for everyone here.
Still, there was a real buzz on the way out, everyone seemed to want to be talking about the gig, all in glowing terms. A good night, but not a great night.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 08:46:57 ET
Posted by: mrfunk,
what a bunch of moaning gits!
do us a favour a go and watch artic monkeys instead
and leave some seats for real dan fans next time
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 08:42:46 ET
Posted by: Prince of Darkness, London
Setlist for London was the same as Liverpool
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 08:17:08 ET
Posted by: Eithne, London
Last night's show at Hammersmith was very disappointing. The sound was awful and, apart from the drummer, everyone else seemed to be playing half-heartedly. Walter Becker's guitar solos sounded nothing like the real thing and his rendition of Haitian Divorce was uninspired and lamentable. The backing singers' interpretation of Dirty Work was abysmal - a great opportunity for Fagen to let us hear his take on the song missed - I could have heard a better version down the local Working Man's Club.
Peg sounded flat and dull too. The show started promisingly, Bad Sneekers had everyone going, but quickly descended into a very less-than-average show. Fagen's vocals were all over the place on Kid Charlemagne in particular. The finale of My Old School got things up to speed but it was all too little too late.
Oh well, until next time...
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 07:57:27 ET
Posted by: Nwk, on time
Great posts all . . . and . . .Pictures! How fantastic to see SD!
And wha? Sir Paul and DG in audience, get out!!!!!!
Thrilled that these cats could get in a night of musical enjoyment--most every song spanning the Dan catalogue, some of Donald's favs and also TvN!!!!--hearing TWO must've been a flip out for the special guests--that song is a total trek, as was mentioned by Raj, it moves through lure, tension, releases, dread, resolution--and they play it with such aggression and passion--Two v Nature in its LIVE glory is definitely one of the world's wonders of the new millenium. thx brits and scots and flems(? lol) and all! zzooomm
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 07:30:43 ET
Posted by: mrfunk, aberdeen, scotland
setlist for liverpool was roughly like this:
not sure about the exact running order as i was too
blown away!!
time out of mind
godwhacker
bad sneakers(always enjoy this one)
2vn (stood up well live)
hey 19 (great groove from mr c)
haitian divorce
peg
dirty work(stunning vocals esp cindy mizelle)
home at last
green earings
josie
chain lightning(great work from brass section)
aja(outstanding)
kid charlemagne(fab as always)
fm and my old school (storming versions which
had the crowd on their feet and the place was jumpin)
thanks again donald,walter and band what a night!
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 06:55:56 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
LWO - Yes, bollox = balls, the transaltantic dictionary's in the post ! As for our little wild time...I...errr..mmm...you know... you must realise...err...I still have the beads under my pillow every night though...x.
Prince of Darkness - everyone has their opinion with regards to setlists etc, so no problem there, but I can only put your comments on the sound down to the fact that maybe you were too close, if there is such a thing. I was in the front row of the top shelf, and it was truely awesome, the clarity, richness, mix etc. Just be thankful you were'nt at Birmingham !
By the way, last night's Sam Yahel trio was down to a duo, before Michael L and Walt W turned it into a quad !
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 04:16:19 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Re:Lucca,
I live in Italy but have never been to Lucca so can't say what the venue will be like. I know for a fact that the town is one of the most picturesque in Italy (Tuscany) and the gig will be open air in one of the Piazzas. (Piazza Napoleone infact (hope they play Pretzel Logic)).
Anybody going to Lucca and wants to contact me then just email me(click my handle. I'll try to help out with whatever I can (I'm fluent in Italian, so if you have any probs, don't hesitate to call me).
This will be the there first time in Italy and they have a cultured fan base here so I just know they will go down well.
Ok so roll on 28th July.!!!!!!!!
Great Photos Mike,
Roberto
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 03:49:20 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
Hey Mike, nice photo's, thanks for sharing.
Glad to hear that at least 99.9% of the UK fans enjoyed the shows.
Borneo Ann, count me in on one of those photo's of DF and the horse. Sounds hilarious!
Looking forward to September when they come Downunder to entertain the convicts for the first time...
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 03:24:05 ET
Posted by: Mike, London
If you're interested, here are a few pics from the London gig:
http://www.fortbaxter.com/pages/steelydan.html
Date: Sun, July 08, 2007, 00:58:47 ET
Posted by: warrenk,
what is this i hear of DF singing Lucy in the Sky? did he sing that one line or play it with the band?
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 22:36:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The one, the only, the awesome...Steely Dan.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:47:47 ET
Posted by: Fife, sunny Florida, eh
Sounds like that on the most part a good time is being had by all in Jolly ole England.
I'm feeling kind of jealous!!
I'm presently sitting here in Florida and wondering if anyone out there wants to have a chat, the folks tend to head to bed a little earlier then I do.
Fife
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:44:05 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., The shutter falls
Looks like only four pics posted so far, nothing major dudes.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:41:26 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., The shutter falls
Pics from the road now posted at SD.com.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:11:48 ET
Posted by: Prince of Darkness, London
Just back from the London show and I must admit I was very disapointed. It was the first time I've seen the dan and my expectations were very high especially after seen the DVDs of the 2006 and 2003 tours.
It's been a while since I've been to a rock gig (I normally go to jazz clubs) , so I was expecting the sound to be great. I'd seen Ennio Morricone with a 100 piece orchestra at Hammersmith six months ago and you could here everything to perfection. I had a seat in the sixth row on Donald's side, but the sound sucked. It was bad for Sam Yahel's band, but I assumed it would improve for the main show. Unfortunately, at least until the last few songs it did not. Jon and Walt's solos seemed to be somewhere in the distance. I could barely make out the names of the musicians in the introductions. However, the main problem was the set list. I had a general idea of what was going to be played from the US shows, so I knew not to expect Dr Wu, Ricki etc, but no Black Cow, Babylon Sisters, Pretzel Logic, Bodhisattva. There were too many omissions of for me anyway, some of their best songs. Tunes like Godwhacker, and TVN would be fine in a 2 1/2 hour set, but in a 100 minute show, they were a luxury.
There's a tribute band called Nearly Dan who play the Jazz Cafe twice a year, and I've got to say that they beat the real thing hands down, at least on this performance.
They play again in early August (and they do play Dr Wu for anyone who is interested)
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:09:54 ET
Posted by: Prince of Darkness, LONDON
Just back from the London show and I must admit I was very disapointed. It was the first time I've seen the dan and my expectations were very high especially after seen the DVDs of the 2006 and 2003 tours.
It's been a while since I've been to a rock gig (I normally go to jazz clubs) , so I was expecting the sound to be great. I'd seen Ennio Morricone with a 100 piece orchestra at Hammersmith six months ago and you could here everything to perfection. I had a seat in the sixth row on Donald's side, but the sound sucked. It was bad for Sam Yahel's band, but I assumed it would improve for the main show. Unfortunately, at least until the last few songs it did not. Jon and Walt's solos seemed to be somewhere in the distance. I could barely make out the names of the musicians in the introductions. However, the main problem was the set list. I had a general idea of what was going to be played from the US shows, so I knew not to expect Dr Wu, Ricki etc, but no Black Cow, Babylon Sisters, Pretzel Logic, Bodhisattva. There were too many omissions of for me anyway, some of their best songs. Tunes like Godwhacker, and TVN would be fine in a 2 1/2 hour set, but in a 100 minute show, they were a luxury.
There's a tribute band called Nearly Dan who play the Jazz Cafe twice a year, and I've got to say that they beat the real thing hands down, at least on this performance.
They play again in early August (and they do play Dr Wu for anyone who is interested)
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 21:08:58 ET
Posted by: Prince of Darkness, London
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 20:45:04 ET
Posted by: mrfunk, aberdeen, scotland
steely dan have fab gig in liverpool
i travelled down from aberdeen to see my faves and wasnt dissapointed
having seen the band 3 times in 96 and in glasgow in 2000 this gig was by far the best...
the sound was fantastic, the band was tighter than ever...take a bow mr carlock and the set was a great mix of faves and some newer tracks
hurry back guys...but please come back to scotland next time!
the band got a rapturous reception and seeme to have a great time
well worth the long journey from chilly jocko land
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 20:38:48 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, sharpening the claws
Hello to all of our dear friends across the pond. So Sir Paul came to Hammersmith instead of Live Earth? I reckon that says something about his taste in music, even if his last offering is a dud.
That was a sweet shout out, Kalvin. Gosh, to even be mentioned in the same breath as Cindy in hot pants is such an thrill. She is a lovely person, inside and out! But you don't have the bollox (is that balls, btw?) to wear my beads, you're dancing with Denise and who knows what with my Steely Daughter, so I'm afraid that our little wild time is sooo ovah.
Ann, I'd like the photo. You know the addy. Wish I could have shared with you again this year. You doing downunder? That would be 3 continents with SD. How can you resist?
And Rajah, I'm still not sure I'm talking to you after the last little on-line spat, but I couldn't ignore your comment about pants that fall just below the knee. Are you referring to GAUCHOs or capris?
Also, I've been humming "Bungle in the Jungle" all day and even looked up JT's tour dates, none of which come anywhere close to here. Made me wonder...what OTHER band(s) would you travel 5+ hours to see?
SueDave, we will most definitely keep you posted!
Geoff, where are you, mate, and more importantly, who is sleeping with you, since the ir-regulars are not?
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 20:06:23 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
...ok, so it was all over nearly two hours ago now, and i've only just about stopped hyper ventilating !
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,... it has been my honour, priviledge and pleasure to see the mighty Dan six times before tonight...but this performance has just blown the other six out of the water. If you know anyone else who witnessed what I just have...ask them...if you know any of the band, or anyone close to the band...ask them, there is no doubt, no debate, this is a statement of fact. End of...
In no particular order, probably cos I'm too mangled to do it at the moment... set list was as per Birmingham except in the main set out went Bad Sneekers and Bodishatva, and in came Home at Last and Kid Charlamagne. The encore was FM and My Old School.
So...A full house, awesome sound, all levels, especially Jeff Y's and the girls were just perfect, John H and Walter like 2 kids who'd been given the keys to the sweet shop, Carlock came on with 2 heads and the monster just grew from there. If we had a snap general election tomorrow, this guy would be prime minister on Monday morning. You could see people around me who did'nt know him were honestly taken aback. Freddie also to the fore with a 30 second solo during the band introductions. The horn section were tighter than a camel's arse in a sand storm ! Mark Nightingale now looking and sounding far more comfortable on trombone than he did on Thursday...especially on the horn section's new extended bit in the middle of Chain Lightning. And how much work had Mr Honey and Mr Lemon done on Donald's voice since Thursday...he was as smooth as the devil in silk pyjamas ! When the house lights went up at the end even Donald looked taken aback to see EVERYONE on their feet going mental, as the whole house had been twisting and jiveing in an arrogant fashion to both encore numbers.
Please believe me, I'm not overplaying this. It will go down as a special one...a very special one. If you have'nt got your European tickets yet, make sure it's for a stand alone show an not part of a festival cos if the sound and the house are just right, as they were tonight, you'll never see the like of this again, these boys and girls are on fire ! Trust me !
The only downer for me personally was that all the usual suspects from the Boston posse in May were'nt there to gorge themselves on it. But though no one can ever take the place of the female company that are the Little Wild One, Girl Margaret (glad you liked the message - your undying love has been noted and will be collected at a later date to be advised !...x.) and Denise, I promise you that Cindy Mizelle in hot pants nearly makes up for it !
Thank you London, you've been a great audience,
Good Night.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 19:44:57 ET
Posted by: Mr LaPage, London, Got the Dan-gone blues..
Fresh back from the Apollo...
As expected, streets ahead of the NIA. Walt even commented on what a great theatre it was... or words to that vague effect.
Don's vocals were sharp and the rest of the crew were as tight as ever. My Old School replaced Bod in the encore but otherwise the same setlist as Birmingham.
Now it could just be coincidence but I hear that the boys played "Lucy in the Sky with Diaomnds" last night and, possibly returning the favour, who should be sat behind me singing along tonight???... a certain Mr Paul McCartney! With divorce settlement pending it was a shame to see he couldn't afford first row seats but, still, it was nice to see him enjoying his single-again self. David Gilmour was close by too and some other people whose fezes seemed familiar...
A fantastic night but night quite as good as 2000. I know, I know, I'm a hard man to please, but we Dan fans are an exacting bunch. However, I can't wait to see them again already. Whenever they're next on the Eastern Seaboard I'm flying out. Sadly I don't expect to see them in London again.
Was glad Walt decided to drop his lame question-to-audience: "What Trombonist would play in Berkley Square?" when introducing Mark Nightingale. It didn't exactly bring the house down in Birmingham so he presumably thought better of it when faced with a few thousand discerning Londoners.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 19:42:55 ET
Posted by: Jack , London
Fine show at the Hammersmith. House sound a bit bass-y but all players in top form. Sold out crowd lively for London. Spotted Sir Paul McCartney leading the cheers from Row J center and David Gilmore was also in the house. Home At Last a highlight. Farewell chaps, thanks for the visit
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 19:23:49 ET
Posted by: Mike, London
I'm not saying that the London crowd was old but ....
I overheard two guys after the show. One said "Well never see that again in our lifetime!"
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 18:43:03 ET
Posted by: Queen, Live at the Apollo
another one bites the dust
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 18:39:21 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo left behind...now in Bolton, Lancashire
ROSELAND MOVE OVER......LIVERPOOL HAS HAPPENED!!!
.......Well, our heros braved torrential rain, floods, gale force winds and terrorist threats to play on this fair isle. They came and they conquered! I will be forever greatful!
As my buddy and I (it was a re-union for us, as we went together to see SD play in May 74)parked up in the multi-story car park in Birmingham, there was a plethora of flash German cars. At this point I realised that 'Middle England' had turned out in full force (30 years down the line they are now lawyers, accountants, etc...). I had the feeling that despite the band's performance, the stiff upper lip would prevail and I was right.
We had front rown seats. The support band was good. During the interval I had a wander round and looked at the instruments and equipment at the side of the stage...and suddenly there before me was Jon Herrington. I shook his hand and thanked him for coming to our fair isle (what a nice fellow he is!). For me, the musical performance was as good as ever, so I won't comment on it, except to say KC has to be the best drummer ever...and Freddy Washington's face was a picture during chain lighning...and the brass section during the same song was incredible. Walt's comments about our culture and weather were hilarious (and a synopsis of why I don't live here any more!!). The audience were responsive to a certain extent, but I didn't feel much energy coming from it.
.....but LIVERPOOL is another story!
This was my 6th time of seeing SD and is definitely the BEST ever! The difference in the audience's respose was unbelievable. The place was jumping and even Walter said we were the best 'kick ass' audience!
The life-size stuffed horse just added to the hilarity of the occasion! I got a photo of Donald and the horse. If anyone wants a copy, just sent me an email entitled 'horse' and eventually i'll send it to you (I'm back in Borneo on 19th july and have very limited access to the internet before then). Walt was on top form and loving every minute of it, and even made reference to his friends from China Crisis. Donald was on fine form.
The new trombonist is Mark Nightingale and is from the UK and stepped in at the last minute, so I'm not sure what happenend to Jim Hughes.
It was a night to remember for a very long time. My favourite band excelled themselves and Northern hospitality was also on top form! I'd dragged along the Off-Spring who had to admit she'd enjoyed the show.
By now, the London show will be over. I hope it was as fantastic as last night was!
Mr. Steely Dan, you are immortal!
Peace to all,
Ann
PS: Happy birthday Jim!
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 18:10:23 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
And.....was there someone in london tonight???
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 18:07:49 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Very nice Live Earth reviews here on the Blue.
But...what about Liverpool?
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 18:04:55 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Kalvin, it's official - I am declaring my love for you! What a treat tonight's voicemails were, felt like I was there in spirit! Thank you so much!
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 16:54:45 ET
Posted by: jeff blackie, message 4 rajah
hey rajah, donalds voice was superb in birmingham just like he'd put in his larynx of the '70's liverpool a little weaker if iam to be critical, will be interesting to know how he comes across in the capital tonight!
cheers!
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 16:22:57 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah -
That's right....that's right.
Saw Ian and the boys in '00...only saw 2 concerts that year...Tull and SD. Parralels: two boy bands for decades (albeit one collaborative and the other totalitarian)...time-tested...both promoting stellar albums that year.
Bummer moment...got there (outdoor venue) and a guy with an acoustic guitar is playing Mr. Tambourine man...not Dylan but Roger McGuinn (or is it Jim?)...hardly anyone there and few took notice. That little pinch of the past makes you pay a price in the self-examination department...later put right when Ian pranced on the stage (stage entrance being another not-to-original parallel).
Ian commented that the elaborate flute he was about to play during the unplugged tune (Tull invented unplugged, right?) looked like a "sexual apparatus"...third 'A' prounounced as a long 'A'...now that's Frank-like. Something else about sending Glenn Cornick is royalty checks.
Indeed, saw Frank a few times in the '70s and he never really was a "bigger than life" guy on stage...not like Ian.
Ian's voice is horrific!...only Dylan's is worse. No real surprise as he went at it with a fury...lot of notes in each recording/performance. Same kinda thing with Freddie Hubbard (previous post) and Leo Kottke, etc...but my real hero, Buddy Rich, never showed that wear and tear...ah, what can I say about Buddy?...except never again.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 16:17:43 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah -
That's right....that's right.
Saw Ian and the boys in '00...only saw 2 concerts that year...Tull and SD. Parralels: two boy bands for decades (albeit one collaborative and the other totalitarian)...time-tested...both promoting stellar albums that year.
Bummer moment...got there (outdoor venue) and a guy with an acoustic guitar is playing Mr. Tambourine man...not Dylan but Roger McGuinn (or is it Jim?)...hardly anyone there and few took notice. That little pinch of the past makes you pay a price in the self-examination department...later put right when Ian pranced on the stage (stage entrance being another not-to-original parallel).
Ian commented that the elaborate flute he was about to play during the unplugged tune (Tull invented unplugged, right?) looked like a "sexual apparatus"...third 'A' prounounced as a long 'A'...now that's Frank-like. Something else about sending Glenn Cornick is royalty checks.
Indeed, saw Frank a few times in the '70s and he never really was a "bigger than life" guy on stage...not like Ian.
Ian's voice is horrific!...only Dylan's is worse. No real surprise as he went at it with a fury...lot of notes in each recording/performance. Same kinda thing with Freddie Hubbard (previous post) and Leo Kottke, etc...but my real hero, Buddy Rich, never showed that wear and tear...ah, what can I say about Buddy?...except never again.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 16:14:12 ET
Posted by: Make that 10 days and COUNTING..., Same as it ever was
(I blame it on my cheap keyboard)
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 16:12:11 ET
Posted by: 10 days and conting..., Europe
Any news on what was being played in Liverpool?
Wonder if the stops at various jazz festivals will get the setlist in a jazzier mood?
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 15:22:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yo ma Southern Brotha from anotha Motha, I saw Jethro Tull two Novembers ago at this state-of-the-art venue called the Kodak Theatre on Hollywood Blvd. Ian Anderson is such a great performer, he kept the audience rapt for two hours. He tells stories, he's a great showman. But he's totally lost his range and breath control, it was an embarassment. He did his level best to cover and fill but, man, it just wasn't there anymore. The acoustics in that joint were astounding, panels moving about prior to showtime.
The drummer was behind plexiglass, God I hate that more than anything. And Anderson gave everybody there a live recording of Aqualung done in DC a couple years before at the interval.
Ian at one point had a felt washer displaced on his flute. He stopped and said, "give me a second, this blasted stop needs mending." It was dead quiet in the theatre for a minute or so as he adjusted the thing. The audience sat there silent and attentive, he then looked up, you could hear apin drop in the room and he said, "are you still there?" He was the best guy with a live group of people in front of him I've ever seen, better than Frank and Frank was good, so relaxed, and that's what we really want from a live performer, someone to make us feel calm and attentive, not someone who makes us feel like everything could fall apart at any time. This is my complaint with Donald Fagen. Thank goddness he has Walter.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 15:08:51 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,
Phil still has it, but Land of Confusion and Invisible Touch had Rutherford and Banks mailing it in.
Crowded House rocked Sydney in the wee hours
Check out Locked Out, Silent House, etc. Tracks in the 40s
Phil still has it, but Land of Confusion and Invisible touch
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 14:58:17 ET
Posted by: skmusic, Windy City
One correction regarding REELY DAN:
The Prairie Rock, Elgin IL gig is Saturday AUGUST 11, (not July 11), and TODAY they perform from 5:45 PM to 7:45 PM at FRONTIER DAYS in Arlington Heights, IL (see previous post for details, or better yet - the Chicago & Milwaukee Dandom digests). Enjoy!
REELY DAN
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 14:45:00 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah-
How you, Bubba?
Thanks for the heads up on the concert (I forgot...damn!). I'm watching some guy named "Kenna"...puhleez. Phil was a pretty wicked drummer as well.
You're bang on about the Chile Peppers (don't you ever get tired of being right?). The Chiles, on paper, aren't my cup of tea but, damn it, when the "boy" plays that stuff, I must admit I listen.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 14:20:13 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
How about this for stage presence:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QqZmtq5LhFo
Even if you have difficulties with the band/tune, hang with it till the start of the guitar solo (3:40 in)...brilliant, Ian...nice kilt, Barriemore.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QqZmtq5LhFo
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 14:08:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm enjoying your excitement over there you lucky people. Keep those reviews and random thoughts coming, per favore. And no, no detail is too insignificant. These are our chronicles and they should be both personal and carry with them a high degree of specificity. ...is what I think anyway...
What a great memory for you and your boys, Blackie, the only concert my Dad ever took me to was Claudio Villa and Domenico Modungno. I'm not complaining, they were pretty good, the year was 1962. Ouch.
How is Don's voice? I just watched Genesis on the Al Gore concert and as annoying as he is, I have to give Phil Collins his due, he has lost nothing vocally. He climbs up the scale with no break just like always and he's no spring chicken. Simon LeBon the same way with Duran, I am shocked. And these fuckin Chili Peppers rock hard, my daughter took me to see them 15 years ago and they were just clowns, a joke really but there is something respectable about them as flat out skate-board rockers this far down the line. They basically suck but they have a lot of grit I gotta admit.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 14:04:45 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
DEACONBLUE & Roberto,
Roberto - dinner with Enrico after a show...what can I say?. I have yet to meet a trumpet soloist that doesn't make for good company on some level...especially the "outniks" (imagine Michael Leonhart here...good grief!!!...we all know besides the tours & recordings that he's done horn arrangements for the Dan)...and the stories about Miles must have been eye-opening.
Someone who will remain anonymous (OK, it was my son) attended a Peter Erskine drum clinic recently...Erskine had an interesting example of illustrating deviating time when he played a sax solo...he then superimposed a click track over the solo and yup, the "solid" sax solo was wandering all over the place. He then told the audience that when he played on the SD tour, he thought it would sound better on one tune if it was faster (or slower...doesn't matter) so he counted off a song in a different meter. When the tune was over, one of them (my guess is Becker) said "don't ever do that again" (although at last years sound check here, Fagen was telling the girls not to rush to chorus of ("Deacon Blue").
I just order "The Pilgrim and the Stars" thru Amazon...they were MUCH more expensive used (this one was new from a 100% seller) just a bit ago...sorry folks, that's the only copy...thanks (I still keep the vinyl...love those ECM covers...and the recordings!)
DEACONBLUE - I wish I could be there in Lucca...I live in the Southeastern US...you know, Allman Brothers, Jimmy Carter and grits. I know I don't need to tell to have a great time.
There's nothing like the anticipation of going to a Steely Dan concert.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 13:33:32 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
TO ALL LUCCA DAN FANS:
Lonnie the Kingpin will be at Lucca on July 28! I will be on my honeymoon and how lucky for me/us that the boys will be close by. We have our tix and it is a done deal. Cannot wait to take it all in. Come see me in ROW 7 way up front!!!
Who knows what the venue for the show is like?
See you all soon!
Lonnie
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 13:25:01 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
It's great to hear our boys are in great form. Only two days left from the Brussels SD gig.And the day after that it will be Pariggi.
It's really unbelievebal the way i'm discounting the days. I'm just hungry like a child to see his heroes. Ask my wife!!
Roberto.
i don't know if Bob will be in Lucca but i surely will. I'm staying 4 days over there in Lucca. Dusfruting the pearls of Toscane: the fucking good wine, the fantastic food, maybe some operamusic, the painting landscapes, the hystorical treasures of Lucca and of course Steely Dan. There's no better place to see Walter and Donald than in Lucca.
To all who'll be there i just can advice this: Just enjoy the beauty of it all.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 12:41:06 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Bob, Atlanta,
You can find Pilgrim and the Stars on Amazon..
As far as Easy Living is concerned. This is Enrico's first album on his return to ECM.
It is beautiful . It's got to be one of my all time most played albums
I've seen Enrico live a few times as he tours all year round, in Italy and Europe
I've met him personally once when the audience was invited to join him at a restaurant after his show. He is totally cool, He's played with Miles Davis and and some of the stories he told me that night I shall treasure..What a great night that was..the food was good too.!
Imagine Walt & Dan inviting the crowd back for a meal after the show..now that would be something..!!!!
Bob, are you going to be in Lucca for the Dan show?
Roberto
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 11:15:57 ET
Posted by: heymike,
Reeely Dan! good to see you guys back.
Did you mean July 14 Saturday?
I didnt get an email.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 08:52:18 ET
Posted by: Jeff Blackie, Liverpool delight
Hi all please excuse my woeful attempt at a sort of a revue its more like a "we had a fucking great time" experience i would like to share with you all.My two boys came with me last night aged 13 and 12 and were totally transfixed by the whole experience particurlarly charlie my oldest boy i just hope the experience steers him into a musical career and not a bricklaying one!(hee hee).(not that theres anything wrong with laying bricks mind you)
Well the circus tent has gone and the gig was played out in i believe an indoor equestrian centre (ah!! thats why the horse appeared on stage just before the encore and of course it was aintree,thats typical scouser humour for yer!).
I must say tho' the Sam Yahel "trio" were fantastic especially as walt weiskopf and michael leonhart stood in with them and wow can those guys fucking play i could have listened all night long.
It was carlock in brum but tonight the horn section fucking killed me absolutely blew me away especially during the "bluesed-up" Green Earings and the delight on the faces of herrington and walter as they grinned from ear to ear stage left was a sight to be seen really.Donald was bonkers as usual i just love his "tics" and body language and the way he signs off at the end of a show is truly mesmerising.oh! they left out bodhisattva and also brought in my old school as an encore.Well unless my works holiday entitlement suddenly reverts miraculously back to 25 days from 0 thats me done until Italy.thanx for listening to my rubbish garble. cheers
jeff blackie wales uk (this was the best i have ever heard steely play)
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 08:19:05 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
E' l'era del terzo mondo-
Congratulations on seeing the show...too bad the sound could have been better...the sound in Atlanta this year was superb...last year it was not so good. Enjoy the next show...I would like to see them twice in succession...there is so much to absorb that the first concert merely sensitizes you to the performance...the second one would be much better absorbed than just a one-off.
Yes, have enjoyed Enrico Rava since the '70s...particularly "Pilgrim and the Stars" and "The Plot"...sadly ECM has yet to re-release these on CD...would love to find a source for them...email me @ jaquesofspeed@hotmail.com. I don't yet have "Easy Living". I am a frustrated drummer so I'll have to check out Roberto Gatto...Jon Christensen, who played on so many ECMs including the above two of Rava's has amazing touch...check him out on youtube...believe Aldo Romano played drums on Enrico's next few LPs.
As we all should know, trumpet is a difficult instrument to master...it's difficult to sound "hip" on it and it is taxing physically (that is why there are so very few trumpet soloists contrasted to so many sax soloists...and sax players play until they drop...no split lips for them...i.e. Freddie Hubbard).
Incidentally, "The Pilgrim and the Stars" has one of the most evocative pieces of cover artwork...also check out "The New York Jazz Quartet" artwork...the one with the apple.
Ciao
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 07:46:09 ET
Posted by: Kalvin , Portsmouth, England
Warren - Thursday had one encore, with two songs. Sorry for any confusion.
GM - I'll only get offended if you send me a phone card ! This is all part of the Dandom Global customer service policy where any and all debts are repaid in Dan heaven ! Direct every and all calls to your voicemail immediately and gloomy mornings at work will be a thing of the past !
Denise - this is now officially our tune and I will ensure the appropriate dedication from the band tonight !
Roberto - Your right, disecting the whole thing is'nt healthy, each and every performance stand or falls on it's own merits and it is what it is. Trouble is if you asked me what I thought about it in a months time I would'nt remember all the little bits and pieces I thought were relevent at the time. Nothing annoyed me about Thursday night, but when you set the bar as high as these guys continue to do, then even a 1% variation from perfection gets noticed by someone. I don't know of any other band performance that gets stripped down like we do to the Dan on the blue, cos we'll all be mightly sorry when it's all over. Believe me, I'll be heading the queue that's left wondering why I bothered to mention that the crease in the right sleve of Walter's shirt was a lot sharper in London than at Birmingham, and why I just did'nt sit back and enjoy the show but I'm afraid that's just where and who we are. Anyway Hammersmith beckons for maybe the last time I'll ever get to see Steely Dan on these shores in this format, who knows. It'll be something special I know, cos even the bloody sun's just popped it head out for the first time in what seems like months to mark THE event of the day as far as I'm concerned. Wimbledon ? Earth Concert ? British Grand Prix ?, Tour de France ? There may be other attractions on this isle today, but only for those people who don't know any better !
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 05:51:38 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
On a "off topic- off forum" note..
I would like to recommend an Italian trumpet player whose music is on one of my itunes playlists mixed in with Steely Dan songs..they seem to go very much hand in hand..especially his album "Easy Living".
His name is Enrico Rava. He often plays with the best drummer I have ever seen or heard, Roberto Gatto, and this drummer is part of his quartet on the above album, has anybody ever heard of these guys?
if not, I strongly recommend you check em out.
Roberto
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 05:41:46 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Kalvin,
really enjoyed reading your comments about Birmingham UK.
I thought Donald's voice sounded fine, maybe it's all to do with where you sit..i don't know. But I do agree with you that the overall acoustics could have been better: Jeff's and the girls voice I agree were far to down in the mix...But I don't know, I don't want to dissect the whole thing..If I have to be critical then I will find something that annoyed me..but as a whole I really did enjoy it,
I saw them in Birmingham in 2000 and that gig really did blow me away, the setlist , the sound, the acoustics etc...so if I compare to that gig then yeah, this one wasn't as good, but maybe that's the problem, if I hadn't had seen them in 2000 I would have nothing to compare with..
I'm seeing them again in Lucca , which will be intresteting, even due to the fact that it's open air..
No-one seems to have any comments on Sam Yahel Trio...though they were alright..songs a bit to long and my brother actually fell asleep while they were playing.!! But I guess if you're waiting to hear the Dan, then not even Girls Aloud singing naked would grab much of your attention.!!!
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 05:23:06 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, same as before
Now look what you did... I was so mad, I spelt my handle wrong Doh!
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 05:22:04 ET
Posted by: Beerberain, Dandom on Trent
Perhaps some of you guys have been spoilt by better soundstages ... The NIA is a shed! But even so, that was some SOME GIG in a Shed Chaps. The sound in there Does not get any better I can assure you. I've seen a few acts really struggle with the ambient slap back from the walls - Dan overcame - I still say it was effing marvellous!!!
Talk about eclectic venue tho 3 nights running this week at the NIA Rev Al Green, Steely Dan, Ozzie Osbourne - Hands up who went to all three LOL
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 04:13:34 ET
Posted by: Monday Monday, Bolinas Salinas Gilroy LA Chicago Elephant Mountain Montana Mongolia
Just incase you have not had enough of Bear lately
Joel Selvin is doing a front page story on Bear/Owsley Stanley/ and Walter’s friend Stanley Owsley in this Monday’s San Francisco Chronicle http://sfgate.com/
Somewhere over the Pacific tonight Bear and Sheilah will be missing out on 07/07/07.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2007, 03:04:05 ET
Posted by: skmusic, Windy City
Greetings fellow Danites - from REELY DAN!
Please consider joining us for some great music and fun this summer at the following events. REELY DAN, a 10 piece jazz-rock orchestra, is now featuring the requisite trio of exquisite female backup singers (known as the “Chi-town Sistas!) -- as well as 3 well-known Chicago studio brass players (known as the “Fabulous Martinis” horn section)!
They play this Saturday, July 7 a the annual FRONTIER DAYS Festival in Arlington Heights, IL - 500 Miner Street, at Recreation Park; (847) 577-8572. The band hits the Frontier Stage at 5:15 PM, and plays until 7:45 PM.
The next gig is Saturday, July 11 at Prairie Rock Brewing Company in Elgin, IL (127 South Grove Avenue - (847) 622-8888. The band begins at 9:00 PM, and plays until 1:00 AM.
A more detailed communication has been e-mailed to the Chicago & Milwaukee Dandom digests, along with some hip attachments as well.
So in case you're in the Chicago area during these 2 summer dates, please consider coming out and joining the fun with our resident Chicago show-biz kids . . . a splendid time is guaranteed for all!
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 23:13:29 ET
Posted by: What?, Liverpool
Donald sang "Lucy In The Sky" tonight.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 22:56:40 ET
Posted by: Beth, Wild Life Specialist
This is all about me....client Beth....(I had to laugh at what I read throughout the Steely Dan Site....(which one you ask?....well I couldn't tell you and that is that)....my main concern: a real time SD chat site.....where, when, who, how, why, how much?, do I get paid for chatting?, will I be stalked afterwards?, why do birds fly and fish swim? (hint: already know that answer), don't ask me any questions....as you might have already assumed; and you are correct in your assumption....I am a Tech-NO, but give me some slack and break it down for me like A, B, and C.; Dick and Jane, CliffsNotes style......my pity card?... well I don't have one, but if I did I'd use it. Okay, here's one....I am finally in a full time job and I despise it....so that is a pity card if I ever had one. Real time SD chat...that is what I'm after....how awkward it was for me to go onto a SD chat and NO ONE WAS THERE.....awkward indeed....I just ended up talking to myself and that is not good (can I get a witness?). Oh yeah, I like cats, dogs, squirrels, otters, and several other kinds of mammals if that counts for anything. Not too crazy about insects, but I could change if that is a requirement. Seriously. If I am currently on a chat site well then so be it....eureka, stepped in it....if not, shame on me (well, not really shame on me.....I do have some self-esteem----spit,spit,spit,spit......, but as always, whatver. I really don't like posting and then having to wait until someone figures they might give me a reply or hit on me. Regards.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 21:58:34 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Kalvin, I will be dancing with you again (in spirit) to Bodhisattva at the encore.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 21:31:57 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Live Earth will start on XM Radio Channel 40 and 41 in moments from Sydney. Time is now 9:30 EDT.
Blue King Brown on now. Let's burn some freakin' carbon!
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 21:24:16 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, European dreamin'
Kalvin you sweet, sweet man: not only are you a riot in person but you're a riot in the written word as well! What a splendid review! If you call me again tomorrow I'm sending you a phone card to cover expenses, but I hope you won't be offended if I click you to voicemail so I can save the choice tune for those gloomy mornings at work when I need a little pick me up! Have fun tomorrow!
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 19:29:00 ET
Posted by: Warren, lido
Mr.Lapage- Kalvin had the setlist last night down with two encores.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 19:02:38 ET
Posted by: Mr La Page, Still showing my films...
JJ - I'd never expect more than 2 encores. My point was there was only 1.
Anyhow, thank you for your (un)kind advice. Sadly I won't be staying home. Instead I shall be right at the front of the stalls, whooping like a liquored-up frat boy on Spring Break and (though not quite simultaneously) blubbing like a de-throned Prom Queen.
Like many others, I shall share my thoughts on Hammersmith this time tomorrow...
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 18:55:33 ET
Posted by: suedave, wishin' I was seeing Steely Dan in Europe
I would love to take you up on that drink rollerskater - what a shame about me that I was a year off in my timing...thanks again the drink you bought me last year when I visited you with Ruby & Katy. You've got great timing though!
Here's a CD I need to put on my wish list in the September timeframe: "It has always been my dream to mix Steely Dan with No Means No," Dave Grohl told Billboard of the eclectic sound of the sixth Foo Fighters album.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070706/music_nm/foo_dc_1;_ylt=AnClJJPjJ_nI32f0l3EpFgwE1vAI
Anyone here familiar with No Means No?
BTW, LWO, Fife, Denise - keep me in the loop for your plans next summer if well, you know.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 18:29:49 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
First the domestics, in no particular...
LWO - you know I really did have them with me, but I did'nt have the bollox to wear them on my own so I'm afraid they stayed in the car ! Also the fact that it was pissing down with rain just about right up to showtime did'nt help so it was straight into the venue where, as others have commentated it was as dark as hell. Will try and be a bit more of a big boy for London tomorrow...x.
Girl Margaret - glad you liked Peg. Just seemed like a good idea idea at the time. Any requests for your track for tomorrow, or are you happy for me to play DJ ?...x.
Roberto - Apologies mate, your right, it's one bad sneakers and one babylon sisters. It's just when your trying to understand some rough notes you scribbled in a concert at 2.30 in the morning, the brain sometimes can't distinguish between one 'B.S.' and another !
Hoops - all us celts wish you a very 'penblwydd hapus !'
And now for something completely different...and remember people, opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one !
Many thanks first to Mr LaPage. You've helped break the ice for me sir and made some of this a whole lot easier after all the positive comments on Birmingham that had gone before. Firstly it was good, bloody good infact, but I sort of won't be reaching for the kleenex just yet. The positives, in no particular order were Walter who I've never seen better, Keith, but especially after Green Earrings when he seemed to take things up another level, John H, who no matter how much he fiddled with his sound, it just sounded bang on the money to me, the near sell out crowd who seemed very knowledgeable, 2vN, Hey 19, Peg, Josie and Chain Lightning. However, and maybe I'm booking my ticket to Dan hell for the following, Jeff Y and the girls vocals were too quiet, overall the sound lacked a certain richness, it all seemed to pass you by very quickly on it's way up to the roof miles above us, the majority of the same knowledgeable audience as before, but who's feet were firmly nailed to the floor and here's the big one for me - Donald's voice, which I just did'nt think was anywhere near top form. Whether it was because it's had a lay off, or maybe the cold and damp conditions did'nt help, but if he's going to take that all the way through to Ozz, then Mr Honey and Mr Lemon both have their work cut out !
I confess that thanks to my night job as a bank robber, I've been lucky enough to see Steely Dan 3 times in Boston since they last visited these shores - once in May this year. Last night, for me at least, was a couple of notches below that, but as I said, still very good. Whether they'll warm up as the tour goes on, whether it was just a bit of first night cobweb blowing, or, and this certainly works for me, whether they need to feed off a more energetic audience to take them up the the next level,a la Boston in May (LWO, GM, Denise, where were you ?), that just was'nt quite there last night. They may get it on a Friday night in a traditionally more passionate Liverpool, we'll have to see. The venue for London is easily the best of the UK 3, but like New York sometimes, London audiences can be a bit too much up their own ass to really let go, hopefully not tomorrow night. (apologies to those concerned - but you know what I mean).
There is a train of thought that says that after seven years of Dan starvation, all these guys had to do last night was come on stage and farted in turn and they'd have got an ovation ! People were there to worship at the alter of Dan just because they could. Donald's first two words to the audience last night were 'hiya kids.' Maybe there just were'nt enough kids, or people who were prepared to take on that role for the night, there.
(There, that's better, and just in time as the nurse is just heading down the corridor towards me !)
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 15:17:29 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, still raining
Mr. La Page, I don't think you are being critical and controversial. Count me amongst those who want to hear the newer, less hit list stuff. But as we discussed during the east coast leg, to some point, they do have to play to the crowd. Having said that, I hope the acoustics and the crowds get better.
Maybe that is the odd thing about us Danizens of the Blue. We don't just see one show.... Does that make us better or worse fans? A lot of bof, I would think.
Hi Kalvin. Do you have your beads?
Happy belated, Jim! Hugs and kisses always!
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 15:13:55 ET
Posted by: Randall,
"whoops where seriously hard to come by"
Yes he is a busy chap as noted by Rajah comment
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 15:06:33 ET
Posted by: J.J. Putz, all over
Mr. Lapage -
I got some bad news for you. No matter how much the crowd hoots and yells and screams they will never do more than two encores. They also won't change the setlist. So my advice to you is either stop crying and enjoy the musicianship or just stay home.
This Saturday night will be no different then last night.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 13:43:17 ET
Posted by: Mr LaPage, London, UK
I'm as big a fan as everybody else here and was seriously looking forward to seeing the boys as 7 years is way too long, etc.
Maybe my expectations were scandalously high but I was seriously disappointed by the gig. I was sat at the front of Block D (not the worst seats in the house by any means) which was a little to the left of the action but I found the acoustics seriously lacking and the venue felt like a lofty school hall/gym on graduation night. I felt sad for the boys that the place looked/felt so empty.
Watching YouTube clips of the US gigs I hear, whooping and excitement and see evidence of dancing - or something very like it. However, at the NIA anyone who dared to dance in the aisles was swiftly reprimanded by a Stalinite steward and whoops where seriously hard to come by.
Also, the audience decided to rush off home as soon as the boys had played their "final" number. any hope of a double encore faded with this exodus and so we ended up with less Dan than we should have had.
I'm going to the Apollo tomorrow which is an infintely better venue and I can only hope the London mob don't feel the urge to rush off to the car park/baby sitter/pub-before-last-orders.
Sorry gang, but I'm not going to lie and gush just because everybody else is.
I also would have liked them to have pandered less to the Mid Life Crisis Brigade and played more of their recent stuff which, let's face it, they'd much rather be playing anyway. How anyone can seriously enjoy playing a song they wrote 30 years ago night after night is beyond me. It's like reading the first love letter you wrote to your first girlfriend out loud or showing photos of you with acne... why????
God damn it to hell and back, I know I'm being controversial and ojectionable but somebody's gotta...
Bring on Saturday night... please...
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 13:39:40 ET
Posted by: Glad , It's Friday
I thought Carolyn looked pregnant 2 months ago in Atlanta, so...
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 13:29:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
So very happy for you Brit fans and please keep the commentary coming. So you like that Keith Carlock, huh? Great showman.
Hoops, as former stage actor and aficiando of the feminine form, I could I daresay with no false modesty be certified an expert on female sartoria. I've been called upon to unhook many a corset and bustier in my time, my dear host, and am a freak for ladies in their skivvies. Oh that Victoria's Secret catalogue is better than any pornography available online. Not that I've looked. That's an "Empire" waistline you're talking about, think Marie Antionette. A gal hasta be long and willowy to pull that off, oh but when they pull that off... I see a lot of what we used to call in the 60s, "baby doll" dresses lately, have to have great legs. But these very distubing pants that come down to just above the knees are disquieting. Hate 'em, three snaps down.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:35:53 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, End of break
Ok, scats, wormy, nola etc. I do apologize. My bad--the operative word is "trying" (to steal thunder). To sum up and get back to diggin' I think a Brit once offered that "Silence does enhance a conversation," and that you can bank on. I did see a forum on Levin's site--perhaps praise him there? bye
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:29:45 ET
Posted by: hoops, passing through on the quick
Glad to hear the UK reports. When I hit shows in 2000 in Paris, Rotterdam, Frankfurt and Düsseldorf, I found European audiences to be suberb in every way. Can't wait to heara the word from these SD-starved fans!
As for Carolyn being duff, well, who knows and it is none of our business, but here in the States, I've noticed the hip ladies' look theese days are these dresses, skirts and tops that are cut where the waist band seems to start from just below a woman's bust--yeah, perhaps like a maternity dress IMHO. There is a name for this as some fashion maven told me when I commented on this recently. Maybe Europeans have not had this fashion fad. Clearly this post reveals more about my lack of fashion sense than anything else.
What? No Jim Pugh?
Jim
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:26:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
You Brits!
Thanks
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:06:26 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, next door
Ok now, the weekend has officially begun!!!!!!! Everyone will be heavy rollin' on 777 day--but no one like Steely Dan!
Club sandwiches for everyone!
I am impressed Freddie's magnanimity and amused his layin down slaps. Is this dynamic a rite of passage for what was considered by the boys and justifiably so a sound quite passe by then when vogue in the mainstream--ala the upsweep of the Rickenbacker popularity era?
My God, please continue that Brit wit and those darling idioms a comin'.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:06:03 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Craig
Up the duff = with child/expecting/preggers/in the family way/etc
Thinking about it today - it may just have been the outfit......but I wonder????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Anyone have any inside info on this??????
R
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:03:56 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
yes richard we yanks arent familiar with "up the duff" especially as it may apply to the lovely carolyn,,,,, should my mind be racing with "dirty little thoughts"?? mr b
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 12:03:49 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Craig B:
Translation:
"Trying to establish whether or not Carlolyn was pregnant"
Apologies to Richard for jumping in with this on his behalf. "Up the duff" has long been one of my very favourite and typically Brit expressions. :-)
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 11:57:07 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
are you blue dolts so insensitive?
i thank the UK boys for their british posts
and glad to see the band is still in fighting fine form
and I'm somehow bashing the proceedings???
stealing someones thunder?
gmab no, gmafb
I thought others here might want to hear that mr Gabriel is going for some very deep cuts this Euro tour instead of cow toeing to the masses
that comment has no dig to the dan tour so don't put it there
I forgot that Mr Gabriel isn't two steps of seperation from Walter's grandfather (other than in the looks department)
so kindly take your comments elsewhere
bye
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 11:51:30 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Richard
Thanks
What the fuck does " Trying to work out whether Carolyn is up the duff " mean?
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 11:21:49 ET
Posted by: broadway duchess, around & about
Hey kids, can anyone clue me in as to who is/are the original composer(s)/performer(s) of the instrumental tunes played by the Steely Dan Orchestra 2007, "Jeri" and "Carolyn"?
And wishing a big Happy Birthday to dear Hoops ! May you have many many more, Jim !
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 11:11:44 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
My Birmingham highlights in no particular order
1. Being caught out by the prompt start
2. Trying to find my seat in the dark with out taking my eyes off the band
3. Marvelling at TOOM and GodW - particularly the horns
4. The roadie removing Donald's lyric stand after God so I could get a clear view of KC in action.
5. Deciding that my attempt at KC's intro to TvN was a load of old tosh and deciding to give up trying
6. Bad Sneakers
7. How well the band played the reggae feel for Divorce
8. Peg - the guitar solo, the slapped bass, the horns, the backing vocals, etc, etc, etc - real class
9. Walter's singing voice
10. Donald's singing voice
11. Trying to work out whether Carolyn is up the duff
12. Walter's guitar playing.
13. Mr Washington's facial expressions indicating how much he was feeling it
14. Walter's Hey 19 story
15. A couple of odd Fender Rhodes chords and notes
16. Babylon Sisters
17. Marvelling at how Green Earings got my girlfriend's head bobbing.
18. A fantastically bluesy Chain Lightning
19. KC's drum fill that brought the band back in during Josie - you know the one
20. Bodhisattva
21. Messers Fagen, Young, Washington and Carlock holding it all down
22. Roger's big big big horn
23. Aja from beginning to end
24. KC's left foot and left hand - just going all the time - phew - that is something for the weekend - and actually noticing how big his forearms are.
25. Donald standing up and exhorting the band int a proper climax to finish a couple of numbers.
Think that'll do
Cheers
Richard
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 11:01:46 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, grrrr
Yes, Scanks--Tony Levin is a tempting deviation and wicked as all get out, but why not let us bask in the glory of the Dan for a spell?
And the brits' reaction is priceless--let em roll for chrissakes?
As quoted by the late great husband of my girlfriend friend who lives down the road asks, "Tryin' to steal the thunder are ya?" Why not take a week off, scats, or are you going to rave about the Elton John show up the road tomorrow?
grrrrrufff
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 10:01:27 ET
Posted by: scats, nola
good to hear the euro end - people enjoying it
looks like Peter Gabriel is digging in the dirt
and going back to very old classics
see his setlist here (Tony Levin's tour site)
damn, wish I was abroad
http://tonylevin.com/pg07_4.htm
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 10:00:34 ET
Posted by: Jeff Blackie, Birmingham review
Hi all please excuse the late review but a spell in casualty was needed after last nights fireworks!.One word says it all i believe ok maybe two KEITH CARLOCK, jeepers where did u yanks find this giant of the drum world, he absolutely tore the place up, if ever a guy has/got/does/ the steely vibe this be him indeed!!.However as you know one swallow does not make a summer and all i can say is the band as a coolective were truly outstanding and yes this was the best i have EVER heard them play.If the circus tent manages to stay grounded in the high winds were having in our fantastic summer were experiencing (not) then Liverpool's gonna be desi-may tonite!!
thanx for coming over steely have a great and safe tour.
cheers jeff blackie wales uk
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 09:05:57 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
My Birmingham highlights
2VN, Green Earrings, Kid C, A very bluesy Chain Lightning*
Aja & FM
The prompt 8.30 start seemed to catch many people out, with literally hundreds of people stumbling around in the dark ?. * Walter’s introduction to chain lightning brought on the mass exodus of the weak bladderd not helped by the GIANT 2 pint buckets of ''ahem'' lager that where on sale.
Donald' take on the band intro' '' His favourite part of the show, every night they get new names ''
A great band & show
Thank You
See you in London
Duncan
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 07:14:10 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, in seventh
We were NOT worthy ... BEST gig ever!!!
Donald Fagen - Keyboards and Vocals perfecto
Walter Becker - Guitar icing the cake
Keith Carlock - Drums a go go
Jon Herington - Guitars a plenty
Carolyn Leonhart-Escoffery - Backing Vocals sensually Snakey
Michael Leonhart - Trumpet and Flugel Flare
Cindy Mizelle - Backing Vocals belting it out
Mark? Nightingale - Trombone (Apparently he sings in Berkley Square according to WB lol)
Roger Rosenberg - Baritone Sax Appeal
Freddie Washington - Bass Base BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Walt Weiskopf - Sax ual healing
Jeff Young - Keyboards and Backing Vocals The glue you would not sniff at no way Jose
I coulda died happy and satiated last eve
Built upon the rock (of ages, we hope) that is Carlock/Washington/Young was a MIGHTY MONUMENT to MUSIC Never before seen in the very moist Midland Capitol
'Never heard DF sing better, or with more feel and enjoyment - perhaps it was the thought of "English men and Ladies out there in the dark" ;-)
Herrington nailed EVERTHING ... a measure of the guys relentless pursuit of perfection tho, - he had his Guitar tech out to his amp/gear several times during a performance that had sublime tone/timing/touch - Wtf he was trying to gain extra only the gods will know!!
Hey 19 Soliloquy gave a side swipe to our Weather and our noble cuisine both of which we forgive of course i was struggling to put the sartorially garbed character WB painted into any kind of romantic situ...
Raincoat, Rainhat, Rainshoes?? (Wellies woulda worked) Hat, Scarf, Gloves... it went on
And the menu read (thanks CB for the help) "Lancashire Hotpot, Fish & Chips, Bangers & Mash, Buuble and Squeak" be assured ANY kinda sexual congress after that lot would need a whole lotta Tequila and FC and maybe a crane to lift you on top !!! Walt if you can see this I dare you try Yorkshire pud in The 'pool 2nite and don't forget the Jellied Eels Pie & Liquor when you get to The Smoke...
PLEASE DON'T LEAVE IT ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 06:40:39 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy hotel in B'ham
I was sat right at the back, it sounded great up there, and the view was really good too. Walter's summary of British cultural sterotypes was a riot "Lancashire hot pot" LOL!
See you in Liverpool. How do you get to the Adelphi?
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 04:59:38 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Birmingham
Wow what can I say - great gig and great setlist - highlight for me was Aja - now I am a big fan of KC but I have to say that was the most impressive, powerful and groove conscious piece of drumming I have ever seen (and I've seen a lot) and I had a great view.
More on that later - a couple of points - No Jim Pugh???? didn't catch the trombone player's name
Agree that Walter was outstanding but JH's solo on Peg was superb and a real joy.
What a talented band - I doubt that amount of talent on one stage will be seen again once this tour is over
On stage early - 8.35 and finished at 10.20 - fine with me
More later
Richard
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 04:54:49 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Kalvin,
looking at the setlist you posted, Bad Sneakers is there twice.
Also Babylon Sisters is missing, I think (but not sure), that it should go where the 2nd Bad Sneakers sits..
Roberto.
Date: Fri, July 06, 2007, 03:53:40 ET
Posted by: PR Logic, http://www.thebear.org/
Bear is still here in the USA and has many lovely art pieces for sale at his website.
Al
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 22:34:40 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks, Kalvin. Would have loved to have seen WB in action tonight! Richard, did KC meet your expectations?
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 22:29:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Thanks for the set list, Kalvin! And thanks for calling me earlier and playing Peg to my voicemail, it has been saved and will probably be listened to every day at work when I feel like ripping my hair out. My dad was in the kitchen with me as I was listening to it and kept asking what was wrong with me as I was jumping up and down with a big goofy smile on my face. Truly brightened a crummy day! Sounds like a good show, looking forward to some DETAILS tomorrow!
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 21:20:06 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Apologies for the delay people, but as I failed to find a hotel in Birmingham for less than the debt of a small third world country, I decided to drive the three hours home. So with my 21 hours already clocked up for the day, I'll leave you with jut the set list tonight with a full debrief by the time you get up tomorrow. It was good, very good infact, but great...mmm...I'll have to get back to you on that one, but as for the Man of the Match, step forward and take a bow Mr Walter Becker...like a hyperactive kitten who's just been given his first ball of wool !
SPOILER+++SPOILER+++ SPOLIER+++
Jeri
Time out of Mind
Godwacker
Bad Sneakers
Two against Nature (slight different arrangement at the end of it)
Hey 19 (Walter on top form - British weather, British food)
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Bad Sneakers
Green Earrings(Carlock goes from being just awesome into a monster)
Dirty Work
Josie (all on top form)
Chain Lightning
Aja
Bodisatva
FM
Kid Charlamagne
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 19:15:09 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Just got back from Birmingham gig.
Just wanted to say they were awesome..too tired and exhausted to give more details but will update in the morning..
Roberto.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 15:39:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I was thinking the same thing--getting ready to start.
One cool thing is I don't have to wait up late for setlists on this leg of the tour.
Also: Per-Gunnar has a new Stockholm Danfest page at the URL below. The delay is ALL my fault. Awesome page, Per-Gunnar. And it looks like even more awesome Danfest.
http://dandom.com/danfests/stockholm
Jim
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 15:27:45 ET
Posted by: Newark, , MD
Isn't it around six hours difference between EST and the UK time? If so, they should be soaring along in their magnificient glory right about now. Egh? Nwk
Godspeed, SD
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 12:23:35 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
Richard - Perhaps she was referring to that elusive yet ever present Mr. Steely Dan himself! That underlying ghost-character who pervades so many of their........
Nah. I guess not.
Have a great time at the show. We will all expect a report of course!
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 12:03:13 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
All UK ers
Got that info direct from NIA by phone.
However the converstation went like this
Me : Hi could you tell me what time Steely Dan is on tonight
Girl : Yep HE'S on 8.45 till 11.00
Sounds promising nevertheless and she did promise to check HIM out once I had explained how good they were.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 10:29:56 ET
Posted by: Beersy, Same as it ever was
± S a m Y a h e l O r g a n T r i o o p e n s On SD.com
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 10:25:48 ET
Posted by: Lazy Dan,
Richard in Birmingham tonight -
8.45 to 11.00 - Steely Dan ?
You mean:
9:00 - 10:20 - Steely Dan
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 10:19:21 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, Dandom on Trent
Hey Richard ... where did you get that info from ? Any clues on the support ? 2hrs 15 for of Dan ... Making up your lost time (out of mind) Lets go Dragon chasing Man !!! OR I'll be in the bar havin it large
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 10:00:05 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Richard
Have a great show
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 09:46:11 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Birmingham tonight
So looking forward to it - for those that are going this may be useful (according to NIA)
7.30 to 8.15 - Support Act
8.45 to 11.00 - Steely Dan
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - sounds interesting
Richard
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 09:36:02 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Beersy:
I think I'll just keep it all in. :-)
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 09:14:24 ET
Posted by: Beersy, UK
Look Mr T you've had a little time to think it over you've had a little time to have your fun ... ;-)
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 07:46:36 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Beers:
Enjoy it buddy.
I'll be thinking of you as I tread the boards in Sheffield.:-(
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 03:14:06 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, Burton on Dan
Guys ... THE DAY has arrived time to get out our Britishly Bad Sneakers in Brum tonite !!! The seven year itch is about to get scratched ;-)
I know I should know this BUT where do I post 3 avail tickets for London?
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2007, 00:19:47 ET
Posted by: Ivory Phallus and Regalia, hold the peaches
Pississantly. Ha ha ha!
Enjoy the Dan, Kalvin.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 21:56:29 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chgo
I too liked your "human interest" post Fife. But be careful, there are lurkers on here that will have none of it!
Happy 4th to all!
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 18:30:54 ET
Posted by: Celine Dion, Oh Canada
Don, What about Paul Schaffer?
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 18:08:12 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Very detailed setreports of the Brussels concert. That's what you can expect of me upcoming monday between 6 and 7 pm eastern time.
The same thing concerning the Paris act but a little bit later because i have a 3 hour trip to do after the French concert. If i'll meet other Danners in Paris , well better no expect a review before tuesday. You know how such a things go.
Lucca is surely going to be my top of the build. It's the birthplace of the great operacomposer Giacomo Puccini. I know that there are some operafestivals in july. In think i'm going to make one.
Isn't that great?? Steely Dan meets Puccini!!!
i also was wondering who of yours will be in Lucca?? I insist that such a lovely place would be the ideal place for a Danfest. Are there some Italians that are interested??
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 17:26:36 ET
Posted by: Young Guy,
Sorry Garcia, didn't mean to offend you. Don't get me wrong, I love the Doors. I've heard them for as long as I've heard Steely Dan. And I think there is a point to his lyrics having a definite poetic quality to them. Quite possibly his words sound better together than do SD's. But I think they'd be considered good poetry because of the aesthetic quality- and that's definitely something worth studying. Maybe they're really good at describing something, of arousing the senses. I mean, again, I'd love for you to prove me wrong- it would only be another avenue of great pleasure for me. It's just when I sing lyrics like "show me the way to the next whiskey bar, o don't ask why" (love the song, though, for sure) or "What have they done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her" (great assonance and alliteration definitely) I can really only come to the conclusion that they're inspired by the burnt out, simplistic thoughts of a carefree, tree-hugging, drug-abusing hippy trying to sound deep.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 15:33:54 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Happy 4th of July to my American friends/relatives/colleagues. I was incommunicado during the recent Canada flap here at the bluebook, but I thought I'd weigh in with a few of my favo(u)rite notable Canucks, excluding hockey players. Some of these names may surprise you:
Margaret Atwood
Saul Bellow
Paul Bley
Lenny Breau
Jane Bunnett
Jim Carrey
Bruce Cockburn
Leonard Cohen
Douglas Coupland
David Cronenberg
Robertson Davies
Gil Evans
John Kenneth Galbraith
William Gibson
Glenn Gould
Sonny Greenwich
Phil Hartman
Peter Jennings
Norman Jewison
John Kay
Marshall McLuhan
Mike Myers
Lorne Michaels
Joni Mitchell
Steve Nash
Catherine O’Hara
Michael Ondaatje
Oscar Peterson
Christopher Plummer
Mordecai Richler
Robbie Robertson
Martin Short
Donald Sutherland
Kiefer Sutherland
Larry Walker
Kenny Wheeler
Neil Young
DB
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 14:42:47 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Hi Denise, good to hear your voice and I hope all is well with you. Unless I get all tired and emotional tomorrow night, I hope to have a set list/atmosphere/swag list report posted here between 5-6pm Eastern time. With regards to comparisons to Boston though, even though I've registered for any Danfest info I have'nt heard or seen anything about any get togethers so I'm afraid it won't even be in the same ball park. (Then again, maybe they're just keeping the news from me !!!). So just on the off chance, if there's anyone reading this and going to either the Birmingham or London concerts and you fancy a sweet sherry and a cucumber sandwich (crusts cut off of course) before either concert, and you're not too fussy about the company you keep, then I'm open to offers on 07970 940297 !
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 13:51:49 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
LWO,
That's just too weird, Gretchen and I were talking about doing that exact same thing. I've been checking beach houses out on the OuterBanks of NC, it's just so beautiful there, the beaches are prisitine, and are quite reasonable if you have a gang to go in on them. Wouldn't that be fun a Dan sing-a-long by a campfire on the beach!
Fife
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 13:04:21 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Blues Beach....it's rainin'
That was a lovely post, fife. And while I think my camping days are in the past, it made me think about next summer IF there's no tour (always hopeful, but realistic, too) that we should plan a big beach house get together. Denise and I talked briefly about this in Boston.
Can't wait for the UK/Europe posts. Have fun, y'all!
Young guy, I like Maroon 5 a lot. Now, having said that, nothing compares to the Dan. I listen to the radio on the work commute and I have a teen-ager and a wannabe teen, so keeping up with the current stuff is a must. Also, All American Rejects, but I'm prejudiced since one of my good friend's brother plays in the band.
As for the Beatles and the Doors, I listened to them when I was a kid. Don't currently own anything by either group, so I can't say I listen now. You can't argue with the influence the whole British invasion had on popular music. I actually own more Elvis and Sinatra than any of the afore-mentioned acts, excepting Steely Dan, of course.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 13:01:24 ET
Posted by: G Garcia, Modesto
Young Punk
The suggestion was for your buddy, not you. If he is aware of The Doors then you both need to move on to something else. You are entitled to your opinion and many do share that interpretation of Morrison.
Morrison works on two levels. He has the appeal to the unwashed masses with his voice and sensationalism for those who really don't care about the lyrics or meaning but only go as deep as a sonoral, visceral experience. You could enjoy Hendrix for example, and you could never figure out what the fuck he was mumbling.
On another level, Morrison's lyrics and poetry have been published in other arenas and used in college literature and music classes. So for some there is as deep or deeper meaning as you could get from Steely Dan.
In the end, it all in what you like. But for the youth of today that might not be aware of The Doors that like Steely Dan (rock, with jazz, pop, blues inflections) they might have interest.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 12:56:03 ET
Posted by: mikemLBI, LBI, NJ
happy 4th,
a steely torrent at
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40987
notes from page:
DVD - Proshot Steely Dan xxxx-xx-xx Video Nuggets (NTSC)
Steely Dan Video Nuggets
created July 3, 2007 by Creflo
01. Old Clips:
- Reeling in the Years (live)
Incorrectly labelled "7-11-78"
Unknown origin. poor quality hi-gen
Better versions exist, even on youtube
- My Old School (Jan 9, 1973)
'American Bandstand' rebroadcast
Don veils comments during lipsync?
Bandstand backup "singers"
Disaffected Becker and limited band
Dick Clark hints at Naked Lunch dildo reference
"Thinking person's music"
- Do it Again + Reeling in the Years (Jan 24, 1973)
'Midnight Special' TV broadcast
David Palmer sings with a frightened face
"Skunk" on bongos
Couple of drag spots in the tape
02. Alive in America (German)
Supplements the missing minutes of VH1 US version
03. Alive in America (VH1)
Footage from final show of 1994 tour (Sept 18 Phoenix)
Mixed with candid interviews, LP shopping
04. David Letterman: March 3, 2000 (recording date)
'Cousin Dupree' is performed with Don on Key-tar
05. CNN World Beat: March 3, 2000
Interviews and rehearsal footage.
Nice clips of Mike McDonald weighing in
06. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction: March 19, 2001
Brief speech/Q&A followed by 'Do it Again' w/ house band
Paul "the shiv" Shaffer directs Don & Walt?...sit down man!
07. VH1 Storytellers: April 24, 2000 (broadcast date)
- FM
- Peg
- Kid Charlemagne
- Bad Sneakers
- Josie
- Do it Again
- Cousin Dupree
- What a Shame About Me
Performance taped Feb 2, 2000 at Sony Studios in NYC
Stupid questions answered, lame props fail
Superfan nerd answers trivia and loses mind
08. Today Show: May 5, 2000
- Interview
- Peg
- Jack of Speed
- Kid Charlemagne
Uncertain finish to 'Kid'. Stopped DVD-R prematurely
'Dean & Deluca' in background (referenced in 'Janie Runaway')
09. Today Show continued
- Black Friday
10. 'New Frontier' Donald Fagen video
- An extra nugget
These were transferred from VHS to DVD+RW using a standalone recorder.
All clips are first gen VHS except 01.
I traded the 2000 material to some cat for a VHS of the AJA
Greatest Albums DVD when it was only available in Japan. He included
the crusty 70's clips and the German 'Alive in America' clip.
Someone took the clips I supplied and is selling a DVD with them.
Lineage:
VHS -> LP speed DVD+RW (LVW-1101HC1) -> DVD Decrypter -> TTD
Not for sale.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 10:25:05 ET
Posted by: Young Guy,
Garcia G,
How can you say The Doors are on par with the Dan lyrically?? Morrison's got a great voice but most of the time the lyrics are pointless, rambling drug trips. They may be fun to listen to but don't go near the depth that SD's lyrics do. If you can prove me wrong, I would only be happy.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 09:16:34 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Happy July 4th and belated Happy Canada Day, which was on the first, to all you fine folks of Dandom.
Mr. Sam and I celebrated with a camping trip to Point Lookout MD. There’s a lot of history there, it was a POW camp during the Civil War and the scenery was gorgeous. To celebrate Canada Day, which was on Sunday, we had a 3 hour campfire sing –a- long of all Dan tunes. The group of fellas and their sons in the adjoining campsite yelled to turn it up when Josie was on, we of course, happily obliged. Is there nothing better in the world then dancing and singing in front of a campfire with your loved one to all things Dan? Enjoy your day!
Fife
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 09:06:27 ET
Posted by: wormy, new orleans
Rpberto
very happy for you and what a nice brother!
My American brother lives on the coast just west of Rome
he has two beautiful Italian children
I spent a month in your beautiful country in 2003
once you get the itch of seeing a great Dan show you will want to see more. I caught the second show of the tour at an outdoor festival in my home town (Jazzfest), then decided that wasn't enough, saw them in Atlanta a week later, then caught one more show later in the U.S. tour
glad they are playing europe and aussie land
you won't be disappointed
wormtom
lisa g? of negative girl met in Raliegh fame or the newer LG
you've love the police show
thanks for the color on the Fagen vid
saw a band Lez Zeppelin - all girls all zeppelin the other nite
it was fun
time to scat on out of here
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 07:10:11 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Terzero Mundo,
That's just the normal way of life of a diehard danfan. last year i spend a lot of money to see Donalds soloacts in the USA.
This year on my program: 07/09 Brussels, 07/10 Paris, 07/25 Bonn and 07/28 Lucca .
And each time i've the opportunity, i'll travel the whole wide world to see my heroes. As long as they touring,I have to take my chance.
Am i a fool?? No just uno grando Steely dan fanatico.
See you in Lucca!!
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 04:28:12 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Well today 4th of July, is my birthday, I live in Italy but am in Nottingham UK visiting my brother.
As I have already mentioned I have tickets to see SD in Italy 28th July.
Well Anyway..day of days, my brother this morning presents me with a ticket to see the the guys in Birmingham UK, tomorrow night , first gig of their European leg. This is just fantastic. I know a lot of you guys are hardened aficionados and may belittle my joy. But to be able to see the Dan play TWICE..in a matter of weeks..I'm walking proud today
Roberto.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 01:22:41 ET
Posted by: angel,
Lisa G: Just back from vacation and saw your post about Concepts for Jazz/Rock Piano. Not being technical, I totally enjoyed the video in spite of my ignorance.
I only differ with you in that I have always loved "On the Dunes". Great song to get totally lost in. :-)
Date: Wed, July 04, 2007, 00:40:45 ET
Posted by: G Garcia, Modesto
Young Guy
Try to see if your buddy can get into The Doors if he is leaning that way but thinks the Dan is a little soft. It is harder edged rock than the Dan but has the pop, jazz, blues etc. If Royal Scam doesn't have enough oomph for him, which is the strongest rock stuff in the Steely Dan arsenal then The Doors could be the right balance.
The Doors are also on par with the Dan lyrically as Thinking Man's Rock.
As far as Jimmy boy, his father was an Admiral during the Vietnam era and Jimmy boy was on his way to the Naval Academy on the strength of his scholastic abilities. He took a different path in life, acted up and probably succumbed to excess but that boy was no dunce.
We pretty much know that Steely Dan has borrowed from their influences. If you doubt that The Doors did have a solid impact on the Dan listen to the instrumental middle of Light my Fire (1967). Then listen to the instrumental middle of Do it Again (1972). Especially the organ solos. And the very idea of having such a long similar interlude.
You might think Manzarek himself is on the keys of Do It Again and that Donald might have recruited him as a session player, but instead did so in spirit.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 23:14:20 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
LisaG,
Any time you want me to talk about the Rhodes piano, you know I'll oblige! Mine is my baby. I am likewise an amateur pianist at best. However, learning how to play some stuff by Steely Dan has definately improved my skills. Black Cow is one of my favorites to play (some juicy chords there with absolutely fantastic transitions).
To show off my Rhodes, and to further the discussion on Josie, here's a quick clip of me playing Josie on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzj8QeOz-4
Now, as far as adjusting a Rhodes piano, there's more info than you could ever want to know at www.fenderrhodes.com if you don't mind reading. However, let me give you something even better -- video! I did not make this video, but it is the technique that I used to adjust my Rhodes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvhMvS1tZS8
The reason the Rhodes sounds so good is also the reason it's such a pain to tweak and tune juuuuuust right. Everything in it is a mechanically-generated sound that is merely amplified with electromagentic pickups. The hammer needs to strike the "sweet spot" of the metal tine that vibrates to generate the sound, much like you want to hit a tennis ball with the "sweet spot" of the racket. You also need the hammer to cleanly strike only once, and then get out of the way to let the tine vibrate, while still keeping it as close as possible to give you plenty of hammer velocity for louder notes. You also need the dampers to be the appropriate height to not interfere with the note, yet be able to cleanly and equally stop notes. The video goes into pretty much everything except adjusting dampers (which even I haven't bothered doing on my piano because it's INCREDIBLY difficult and time-consuming).
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 23:02:36 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
LisaG: That's on my pick up list. Methinks the lyrics from On the Dunes may be a bit more sinister under the surface, so to speak.
Girl dumps Fagen.
Fagen dumps the body.
When I was 18 and Aja was released, Josie was preferable to Peg. Now that I'm older, Rainey's bass during the verse and Marotta's drums never tire. Nice to see props for Victor Feldman. His contribution to Black Cow, Aja, I Got the News, Josie cannot be underestimated.
Lennon and McCartney fans are going to dig the new Crowded house album. Half is really Neil Finn's 3rd solo album. Lost of minor key stuff. Very eclectic, more like together Alone and Try Whistling this than the first album from 1986-1987 which Americans know. Not a mediocre song in the bunch, eclectic, layered, and grows with each listen. Transit Lounge and silent house may appeal most to Danfans.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 22:03:31 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, wishing I was in england
Happy Birthday jim
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 21:13:20 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Kalvin, hope you enjoy the show no matter the weather. Let us know how it compares to Boston.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 20:19:08 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 18:55:30 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Jeeeyzuuus, sunny England ? I wish !!! The only colour the guys are going to get from coming over here is a lighter shade of rust ! It's rained, more or 'pississtantly' over here for a fortnight. Anyway, I digress...Happy Independance Day y'all.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 17:58:26 ET
Posted by: billfrompgh,
Haven't looked in for a while and missed some interesting threads.
Doors-SD connections of sorts: appreciation of and influences including jazz (Densmore), blues (Krieger), R&B and tin pan alley (Manzerek); more Beat than hippie influences all around.
Interesting take on Morrison from David Crosby (lyrics) and his son, James Raymond (music) in the song "Morrison" from CPR. The music has a decidedly SD feel. Pevar plays a rather Carltonesque solo, too. Crosby has said he knew Morrison and never liked him personally or as a performer, but got to appreciate and relate to his struggles with fame and substances later on.
Crosby, Pevar & Raymond
Morrison (4:45)
He was lost and I don’t think
he wanted it that way
like a gull blown inland
on a stormy day
Lost in round one
spitting out pieces of his teeth
lost in a Paris graveyard
carrying his own wreath
And I have seen that movie
and it wasn’t like that
he was mad and lonely
and blind as a bat
To the bridge
and the falling tree
Too deaf to hear his own song
You see
How does anyone get to there
We may never know
How they got that far
Or what made them go
But he had flown from his homeland
You could see him there
A gull circling
In the high desert air
(Chorus)
And somehow I
Have to learn from this
`Cause I can hear him cry
And feel the hiss
Of the wind in his feathers
and the sand on his feet
As he dies in the desert
On that Paris street.
(Chorus out)
David Crosby: Lead Vocal
Jeff Pevar: Vocals, Electric Guitar
James Raymond: Vocals, Piano
Leland Sklar: Bass
Steve DiStanislao: Drums
Luis Conte: Percussion
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 16:43:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I guess you could classify 92 as a misstep, the lyrics get quite vulgar and not in an artful way. It was left off 11TOW for a reason. It's angry.
LisaG - I've been listening a few things in my head, no not talking dogs, but certain songs that Donald makes an absolutely thrilling vocal entrance on are in E: Josie, Don't Take Me Alive, Black Friday, Do It Again, others. He leaps into these tunes. I do miss that about the older Donald but what can you do, even great opera singers looase that upper register eventually.
I'm reading Dan Breithaupt's book on AJA, more later but so far I'm blown away by the workmanship and his very disciplined writing style...bravo sir.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 14:52:59 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Young Guy,
My trivia wasn't necessarily analysis, per se, more like "Cousin Dupree kicks Britney Spears ass!!!!" Stuff about Grammy's, why I love it, the time I heard Black Cow at a soundcheck and my mom was the only other person there, yadda yadda yadda. More like stories about me regarding Steely Dan. I agree that letting a newbie develop their own interpretation of the music is the way to go. Any decisions yet?
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 13:46:36 ET
Posted by: WPLJ, NY
Pat St. John has loved everything that SD/Fagen has ever put out. He's a HUGE fan!!
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 13:15:44 ET
Posted by: Ivory Phallus Regalia, In the good ol' U S of A
Happy 4th of July to all our American compatriots.
May you not lose any personal parts while celebrating this year. That is, unless you want to.
"I saw the fireworks
I believed that I was dreaming"
(Does anyone else find it kind of ironic that SD is most likely spending Independence Day in sunny England?)
Party safe, Dandom.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2007, 05:37:33 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Los Angeles
July 18th. The Doctor Wu Band, will be playing at the Edison Bar 108 West 2nd St.90012. LA
For info go to
www.doctorwuband.com
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 23:58:18 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Seeking up
Hey YoungGuy--I hear you regarding Maroon 5. And kudos to you for recognizing the DMB for some quality writing. The boy can certainly groove, too.
I'm trying to remember if you said you friend was a guitarist or not. Without referencing the post...it's down there somewhere...I'm thinking you said that he was. In that case, I would stick to the guitar-heavy stuff if you want to try to get his attention. Babylon Sisters is laden in feel and doesn't really showcase the instrument. Like in any teaching situation, it's best to start with territory the student knows well and bring him out into another world from there. Does he listen to any Zappa? I always thought the guitar solo from "Green Earrings" was lifted right out of something from the Mothers of Invention.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 23:49:24 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Dancing on the bones
Dan--Feldman on Josie: Yeah, that Rhodes arrangement is nifty as all get-out. I can't imagine the tune without those ethereal colors in the chorus. Groove stabs aside, and the closest I'd ever get to simulating actually playing a guitar, my favorite part has to be the interlude where the bass instruments have their counterpoint dance with the bended guitar...something missing from the DVD obviously in the absence of said guitar. (It's the closest thing to a bridge that we get.) It's obvious that Donald wants to emphasize the bass there, which sadly, I felt was lost in the mix at the two Heavy Rollers concerts I attended. It was as if the sound people thought that the guitar was the star of that part and never made out the bass/keys octaves as equal partners in that break. Oh well.
I am an amateur keyboardist, at best. Please...more info on the set-up of a Rhodes. I've only ever really played on one once in my life, wide-eyed and filled with glee like a little schoolgirl. Setting one up is a whole 'nother topic.
Raj--Hee hee...we do Josie in Bm because our lead singer can't reach even what Donald can with it already lowered. I think there's a much darker quality to Dm in general, if you believe in the power of pitches having their own distinct color. But it's just a kick-butt tune all around, from the intro to the chorus.
And those substitutions are so "FU, pal." The turn arounds to me seem like they are in the relative major...in the case of Dm, they are built in F (with a borrowed major II in G) since they all have that key in common. But the best part harmonically is the D/G in the second half of the third to last measure of the verse. Flirting with that major/minor idea that tonicizes the borrowed II in F--mind-boggling and beyond sassy. It's just other-worldly.
Also, the sub just before the chorus and within the chorus with that chromatic bassline moving up to the ii+9(#5) is also significant. I wish I could come up with stuff like that. I mean, it's your standard tri-tone 7th sub idea, but its components are altered (Gb to F, Bbb to Bb in the first instance and Gb to G, Bbb again to Bb in the second). The first one is almost resolved everywhere but the bass. Nobody should be allowed to have this much fun. :-P
This song really captures the subject quite brilliantly...one of the few SD tunes I have found where the lyric matches the music. I will always love Josie, no matter how far she ventures from home.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 23:07:02 ET
Posted by: Infoseeker, .
Pat St. John has always raved about The Nightfly on NY radio. He discusses it here.
http://www.patstjohn.net/Graphics/Audiophile_Voice/Donald_Fagen_StJohn.pdf
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 22:22:45 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Thanks Rajah. Walter plays only the solo in Josie. Dean Parks and Larry Carlton lay down the rhythm guitar tracks (Not sure who was playing the deep guitar that doubles the Chuck Rainey bass in the stanzas and who was playing the rhythm chords). My favorite part of Josie? Victor Feldman's alternating styles on the Rhodes. Harsh, loud, aggressive block chords in the stanzas, but then beautiful sweeping high notes in the chorus. That back-and-forth is fantastic.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 21:10:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Dan and LisaG, very astute, always enjoy reading your posts on things technical. They dropped Josie to Dm cause Donald can't hit all the notes in Em. Losing that upper register fast now, did you hear Elton compromising "Your Song" the other day on the Diana concert? He'll be croaking like Dylan next. Shame but Josie's still such a great altered blues, it is all about blues for Donald and Walter, blues and harmony. Who plays those great loping guitar chords on the record? Walter is the player I believe and for a white boy from Long Island, he has got some soul in his hole. If you're not lovin the Josie I just don't think maybe you're used to that idiom, the lazy, sluttly New Orleans horns, the great crisp fills on drums and the brilliant modulation in the middle, ay chi-wa-wa. Josie's older now but she's still hot.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 21:04:21 ET
Posted by: rollerskater, city of light
besides Don and Walt bien entendu
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 20:55:15 ET
Posted by: rollerskater, paree
that is if they make the trip, who else is gonna be in Paris?
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 20:13:26 ET
Posted by: rollerskater, 90 minutes from New York
Only a week away from the Paris show, too lazy to scroll, is there a consensus bash pre and/or aft for the Rex gig? Would like to buy a round for the likes of SueDave, St. Al, and Geoff, all of whom I met on the rez for the Seattle stop of the 06 Tour...
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 18:57:21 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
LisaG,
I likewise enjoyed the Concepts for Jazz-Rock Piano DVD. The somewhat uncomfortable, practically unrehearsed dialogue between Donald and Warren is surprisingly entertaining. Learning the theory behind the songs and the voicing of the chords is definately a treat (though I wish they would have done Josie in its original Em instead of dropping it to the Dm key they use in concert nowadays). But also, yes, the performances are fantastic. I really enjoyed the minor blues that closed the video. Also, the Rhodes and grand piano only take on On The Dunes is absolutely beautiful! It truly is an incredible song. The transition on "Wasn't fair... It's brutal there on the dunes" just kills me every time I hear it. That empty space on the Bm7 before the F#/F/E bass drop is such a great back-and-forth on the rhythm established before it.
My only real complaint with the video? The Rhodes piano they used wasn't set up very well. (Anyone who's ever worked on a Rhodes should know what I'm talking about here: the strike line sounded a hair off and the escapement was wrong on a couple keys.) I can't help but notice the distinct THUNK choking sound on a couple notes above middle C every time those notes get played!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 18:56:07 ET
Posted by: YoungGuy,
Girl Marg- sounds like the trivia thing may be a good idea- although I don't want to give away the meanings and story style of SD. So much of the joy for me was slowly realizing the depth of the Steely Dan storybook.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 18:53:17 ET
Posted by: LisaG, `
Lisa-
I guess I meant the Maroon 5 stuff to be more of the child's play. I've always respected Dave Matthews- he does make some really nice music. Don't get me wrong, I can still enjoy a lot of the simple stuff- it's definitely always a blast to play to also. But I do think there is a different "level" of enjoyment depending on the quality of the music.
Also, in terms of getting my friend hooked on this stuff, you have to keep in mind he isn't quite geared into music like you and I are. I don't think coming from the "transcribe and be awed" route will work. He appreciates good music, but not yet at least, will instantly be amazed at the elegance and taste of the horn arrangements, etc. Like I said, a while ago he shrugged off Babylon Sisters.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 18:01:41 ET
Posted by: LisaG, just above the Good Time Flats
In other news...for any who might be interested: thoughts on Fagen’s “Concepts For Jazz/Rock Piano” DVD. Any who might not be, just skip.
Apparently, it was mostly a deconstruction of the harmonic progressions of five tunes--three from the SD library and two from Kama--in terms of their relationship to basic blues structures. After all, isn’t everything about the blues?
Fagen is joined by THE Warren Bernhardt who so graciously allows our composer and friend to demonstrate shit Bernhardt already knows so that we mere mortals can understand it. Bernhardt “oohs” and “ahhs” sufficiently as only a reverent former sideman (and probable fan) can, but the cat is a musical monster in his own right. And he seems like a hell of a nice guy to boot, colorful, eager, and just downright sweet.
“Chain Lightning” was incredible fun with its nice non-traditional “subs” for the blues progression--very straight-forward and cheeky with its tonal movement. Bernhardt loves it, especially the voice structures. At one point in the DVD, it’s as if Fagen is giving away a trade secret when he talks about common voicings fueling the progression, but this is nothing new in the world of harmony. It’s just a little more Wagnerian of the boys to move things around the way they did/do. Many a fab player wishes he/she could come up with stuff like this despite being aware of the technical aspects. Where things lie on the keys reminds me of the reason that you can pick up an alto and read through the omni book (well with practice) but if you try playing it on flute (and believe me, I have)…the licks lie in odd places. Yet on alto…you’re golden. I have always agreed that the hand has shaped harmony. Anyway, back to our program…
Yeah, I’m preachin’ to the choir here, but “Peg” is just a masterpiece—I think even Bernhardt is impressed by its creativity. (I was just happy that I had the voicings correct. :-P ) The talk of the interlude was particularly interesting, or as Bernhardt likes to say: inner-esting. I was surprised that they never discussed the chromatic possibilities in the structure of the second half of the chorus (“Now…the shutter falls…”). They just sort of glossed over those choice chords with mere adjectives. But I’m sure that movement is one of those innate masterful “givens” in the subconscious minds of Fagen and Becker. It had to come to the forefront in order to construct the backing vocal chart. Eh, keep forgetting that this isn’t “The Making of Aja.”
For “On the Dunes,” the intro with the moving chords: ii, iii7, IV6/V, IMaj7 to the VIIMaj9 (or what I like to call, IV9/IV) sounds similar to the turn-around in the intro. of “Your Gold Teeth.” Gotta get my butt to the keys to verify this. Right now, I’m on my first watch of it, so I’ll get back to ya’ll on that. I never really gave this tune that much of a listen because I hate that cheap “On the Dunes” lyric and the melody that he chose for it. I always felt that it ruined the song--it just always sounded contrived to me—plus his vocal performance of the line seemed uncomfortable at best. But now I can get past it and see this glorious song for what it truly is…genius—with those nifty passing chords spread in their ambitious splendor with a palette so vibrant, you are uplifted by the shine, yet soothed by their easygoing presence. Absolute genius.
“Teahouse on the Tracks” was funny in that it was a bit ambiguous as to what key the verse was in. Fagen lost me when he said the tune was built on the IV (F in the key of C). I heard it built on I (F being the actual key), but Fagen seemed a bit vague about it. I think Bernhardt was alluding to Fagen’s interpretation of the “built on the IV” when they got to the verse (which starts on Bb) when he said that it was centering around F (the fourth from tonic if the tonic is C), but Fagen did not seem too concerned with that. My impression therefore is…this tune can be interpreted in either C or F, but Fagen seems to be pushing for C. Bernhardt may agree with me since he mentioned that the Dm section is like the relative minor…but to what? Tonic? Or IV? I’m thinking the whole shabbang is in F, not C. But…WHO CARES? This tune is interesting and in many ways hard to pin down structurally which makes it exhilarating. The sections do not seem to follow any simple form, but the blues link is in the motif. So be it. Interpret as you wish…the chorus is based in I and the verse is based in IV. After that, you’re on your own. So there. :-P Bernhardt likes the sly, street-wise funkiness of the melody on this one. He seems absolutely tickled to be with Fagen which made the entire DVD thrilling. The performance alone are worth the price of admission but they have a genuine rapport with one another that translates to the music.
I am totally glad I purchased this.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:55:32 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Lost in the Barrio
YoungGuy--If not Aja, then Katy Lied. Transcribing "Black Cow" was what hooked me to this band, but "Your Gold Teeth" solidified the love. I personally don't think there's a bad track on that album.
Now child's play, you say? Compositionally, Dave Matthews has gone places most people would not venture...though lately, I'm finding that he's been dull. But if you want to understand his genius, you should hear him and Tim Reynolds "Live at Luther College." So much fire, so much passion, and Reynolds...so much technique. The man is a monster.
It would not be such a bad thing to listen to good music, no matter how simple it may appear to you. There can be so much depth in that which is uncomplicated.
It is the open mind that can get lost in the sophistication of simplicity.
Good luck.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:30:58 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Josie is my least favorite song on Aja. I've tried like hell to get into that song over the years but it just hasn't happened. TOOM was another song I didn't care for at first, but now it is one of my favorites. Go figure.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:26:04 ET
Posted by: Young Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Young Guy, welcome to my world. The best I can offer you is what I've done for various friends. Several of them - after hearing me babble on about Steely Dan for years and years - begged me (yes, begged!) to make a compilation disc for them. I took a couple of hits that I knew they'd recognize (Oh, that's Steely Dan? I know that song!) and several of my favorites and threw it all together in one big mess. I wrote trivia about each song on the inside and explained why I put it on the disc and called the whole thing "So You Say This is Your First Steely Dan cd?" and wrote the origin of the name Steely Dan underneath.
An ex-boyfriend of mine - before we were dating - called me from a music store one night and said he was going to get some Steely Dan to listen to and asked what I would suggest. Right away, Aja. Aja was the first non-compilation I ever heard, courtesy of my best friend's mom (who, bless her heart, let me keep her album) and it changed my world. I am ever the better person for having heard Aja, it really made me delve even farther into the world of Steely Dan and now - six years and thousands of dollars in debt later - I am ever the better person for it.
Good luck!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:23:42 ET
Posted by: YoungGuy,
"I don't play their records anymore, however, what does that say about Steely Dan?"
That's what I'm saying.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:09:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The Beatles were, of course, seminal. They created a new form. They wrote melodic love songs and their vocals were other worldly due in great part to the shared accent and the fact their range was so broad, supple even. They changed everything. And some people think they even may have changed the world. I know they changed mine, course I was only 10. I don't play their records anymore, however, what does that say about Steely Dan?
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 17:01:19 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
Funny time to be talking about Other Bands as I am preparing to haul ass to London to catch Heavy Rollers 7/7/7, but for current music I have to recommend a band called Goldfrapp. their first album (from about 2000) is called Felt Mountain and it is quite exquisite. They've kind of fallen in with the trip-hop scene since, but - I just deleted a lot of guff there that tried to describe it - Go and try it.
As a gnarled old 43-year old I love "Felt Mountain", it has nothing to do with youth culture or the aural Soylent Green of current rock/pop - reconstituted 1960s-70s-80s music that doesn't seem to have moved on since - well, when I was young.
Strange that traditionally the older generation complain that the youth are too radical and too different, but now I'm old I complain that they're not different enough - I can't see any real difference between what's going on now and 15 years ago. Think about what a difference 15 years made between 1958 and 1973, or 1965 and 1980 for instance. Things ain't what they used to be, that's for sure. Where's my slippers?
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 16:42:21 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
As far as i can see Roberto and Lonnie will be in that pitoresque Lucca. I'll arrive on 27th of july in Lucca. I'm convinced there will be more of you folks. So what about that faboulous Danfest in Lucca?
Hey Rajah! The way you discribes what it means to be a Danfan is amazing.
ERES EL REY DE LOS DAN ADMIRADORES.
We will miss you there in Lucca.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 16:27:44 ET
Posted by: YoungGuy,
To Little Wild One: I wouldn't really know if I listen to any current Top 40 bands- if I listen to the radio it's usually either a classic rock station or NPR. In terms of CDs I own of current mainstream bands, I have things like Incubus, John Mayer, Dave Matthews, Maroon 5. But I hardly ever listen to it- it's mostly all child's play.
Another thing is he LOVES the Beatles. I tried to explain to him, in many ways, SD are kind of like Beatles to the next level. A lot of my friends are really into the Beatles. I appreciate what they've done- but I don't see myself really getting into them. I think the SD took the song-writing to the next level, as well as the playing, and definitely the lyrics. Where do all you stand on The Beatles.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 14:48:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm still looking for the upside down question mark ;)
Oh here it is. `E. No,close though. What's this ~ ?
Here's what Sam Yahel said in an interview:
Q - What was it like touring with Steely Dan this spring? I've heard that Becker and Fagan are a couple of lunatics. Do you have any anecdotes to share with us?
A - "There was an incident at a gig which was the Toledo zoo involving a mongoose, a boa constrictor and some back-up singers, but unfortunately I have had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
Seriously, touring with them has been very special for me. First of all, to get to hear them every night has been a lot of fun, to see how incredibly well their compositions have stood the test of time — these guys are amazing — and the band that they have assembled has got to be one of the best in the business. But it is probably their support of my music which has touched me the most. That they believe in what I do strongly enough to present me and my group to their audience night after night has been a great vote of confidence in my playing and writing. And now they have asked me to continue with them and do Europe as well, so I am very excited."
So hey out there, what DID really happen at the Zoo?
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 14:35:45 ET
Posted by: È l'era del terzo mondo, Italia and Nottingham UK
Thanks Raj
for getting there before me with the translating..the only thing is,you forgot, to be precise, is the accent on the first È...
roberto.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 14:06:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
E(It is) l'era(the era) del(of) terzo(third) mondo(world).
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 14:01:45 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
hey roberto do us a favor and translate
e lera del terzo mondo
thanks
from mr belzoni- i forgot all of my italian !
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 13:59:35 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Hoops:
I respectfully concur in each and every respect but, hey, what the hell do we know? LOL
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 13:43:55 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
On the Official SD.com The venue for the Lucca concert in Italy is given as "Piazza, Lucca"..this is misleading..because there are many piazzas in Lucca..it should read..Piazza Napoleone..which brings to think they may do Pretzel Logic..!!!
roberto
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 13:04:11 ET
Posted by: hoops, passing through on the quick, getting caught up
Every now and then, often after midnight at the bars, something from The Doors on the jukebox will hit the spot. But I've never been interested enough to even buy a Doors hits compilation. Then there's Jim Morrison's act...and I guess that's what bugged me--it seemed like an act rather than authentic. Like I said, I'm not all that up on The Doors so I could be wrong.
The Doors in the company of Steely Dan? For a long time, I probably would have dismissed such discussion. Then back last October I heard a very transformative interview on NPR's Fresh Air with Doors' keyboardist, Ray Manzarek. After Jim Morrison's image, I suspected he would be some stoner with a big ego or something. Manzarek is actually pretty humorous, self-deprecating and very interesting. During the interview, Manzarek dissects "Light My Fire" in the same fashion as SD, et al dissect songs on the "Aja" DVD. Here's the intriguing part: The Doors' arrangement of "Light My Fire" was influenced quite a bit by John Coltrane's interpretation of "My Favorite Things". Manzarek goes through the track, bar-by-bar and it's quite fascinating. Give the interview a listen if you get a chance. So in my book, The Doors and Steely Dan passing through the early 1970s isn't such a stretch if only in spirit. Just overlook the Jim Morrison part.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6353302
Sorry...I don't get the daylight/night time thread and shame on whomever wrote that "Josie" isn't as good as "Peg." I can even barely type those words to disagree with them.
Jim
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 13:00:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah , Boom-chacka-lacka
Except for the fact Donald positively butchers the pronounciation of "mondo" both on record and live which should be read with two long "o" vowels and not whatever that smashed up word he gives us.
Speaking of which, how the hell does somebody come up with "Ghana Rondo?" How does that process unfold one wonders? A rondo is a musical term which we know as a return to the original motif in a piece of music. The 4th movement of a classical symphony is usually a rondo. But Ghana? I suppose because it has to be considered a thrid world country but the thought of a tribe of Ghanese bushmen singing rondos is wildly farfetched. Or maybe I missed that episode of Wild Kingdom.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 12:42:39 ET
Posted by: ..è l'era sell terzo mondo, Italia
I Hope I don't get carried away by the music ..and forget to remember the set list..
by the way.."..è l'era del terzo mondo.." is probably the only italian line in a song that Steely Dan have ever sang..!!!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 12:33:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Roberto - Attenderemo il vostro opinione da Lucca.
For the young Dan fan out there, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go straight to Aja. Why waste time? And tell your friend to bear in mind that Steely Dan dips their collective toes into pretty much every genre of pop, jazz and rock. They defy categorization. Taken as a whole the Steely Dan catalogue contains some freaky shit and I've come to believe you have to have a bit of freak you yourself to appreciate that. You should see our Danfest parties.
And also warn him or her that they will be reviled and detested for being a Steely Dan fan. Mothers will steer children and small dogs away from you. Old ladies will beat you about the head and neck with their bumbershoot. The punk chick at the record store will look at you askance when checking out with 3 copies of the same record, the CD, the vinyl and the DVD-A. Your parents will wonder what strange turn your adolescent brain has taken now and Specialists will be called in to examine you. Prepare to be probed.
And if you can hang with all that, when you can stand against the muddle-headed masses of the great unwashed who like their music nice 'n simple, who like their mayonnaise, their white bread and their missionary position rock n roll, then my young friend, it is then and only then that you will know what it is to be a Steely Dan fan.
And let us know how that all works out for ya.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 12:01:43 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
hey riding out the storm, though i like the doors(even visited Jim's grave in Paris) i see nothing in common with the dan at all, cannot see the correlation. Also Roberto in Italy we are depending on you for the setlist, dont your american danfans down, wish i could be there too !!!!!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 11:47:58 ET
Posted by: Mike F., NYC
Would anyone like a blue Donald Fagen t-shirt from his Morph tour? It's a Large, worn just a few times but in perfect shape and recently laundered. It has H Gang on the front and Property of Hinktown on the back. Contact me off-list please. Thanks.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 09:11:23 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I agree, Royal Scam is the way to go. How about Pretzel Logic, the song, not the album. Might be a bit slow, but fantastic outro on that song with lead guitar and horns. And the live version of Bodi.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 06:25:40 ET
Posted by: E' l'era del terzo mondo, Italia
Welcome welcome benevenuti to Dan & Walt for which I believe is the first time in Italy..You have many many fans here who just can't wait to get theirs ears into all that you have been great at over the years and I am positive Lucca 28th July will be a night to remember. I still can't believe that they will be here and I'm going to see them..Thanks guys for making the effort to be here..
Ciao a presto
Roberto
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 04:17:12 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
I think you've got the right idea with The Royal Scam. You've got layered vocals, jazzy arrangments, yet some kick ass rock elements. I also think that maybe after that, you hit him with some later model Dan...something like Godwhacker, Pixeleen, Lunch With Gina or EMG. To me, the later Dan shows off the horns.
By the way, you came to the right place. We have numerous resident experts here who very much appreciate and cultivate the younger generation fans.
One thing I'd be interested in knowing is are there any top 40's groups today that appeal to you?
P.S. I always find it interesting that my teen ager's favorites include Blues Beach, Bad Sneakers and My Old School.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 03:01:41 ET
Posted by: O also,
He is familiar with the radio stuff. He appreciates Reelin in the Years (wishes he could play that solo), but thinks Do It Again is annoying (can't blame him too much- it's a pretty weak song- the solos are it's only redeeming features) and Rikki probably makes him think SD is a lame adult soft rock band. Just some more info to guide you in your thoughts.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2007, 02:57:46 ET
Posted by: How to introduce SD,
I need all your help in converting another over to the Danside.
I'm in my late teens, and became a diehard SD fan a couple years ago. I was fortunate to have been raised in a musical household, where I was exposed to jazz and good rock music since I was a baby, later to take on the drums and continue a life full of meaningful music, true art. I know no other true SD fan of my age except for one. Sometimes, I do sit back and ponder what will become of music when my generation grows up. How long will it be until jazz is truly dead, or music with substance isn't made anymore? It's very depressing- but my friend and I know we are keeping alive something very important. And I have been recently asked, after many years of music lending to this person which has built up a musical trust and bond between us, to get this friend into Steely Dan. SO, I believe this is not only my mission, but all of yours also, to fight the dark battle which soon awaits your enlightened children. (This may be over-dramatic, but I'm pretty serious.)
Anyways, how should I introduce? I was either thinking giving him a self-made compilation of songs, or The Royal Scam. I think The Royal Scam has a great sampling of different styles. I'm afraid to introduce him with something like CBAT or Katy- it might sound a bit too antiquated for him. I remember YEARS ago giving him a listen to Babylon Sisters, but he shrugged it off as too smooth jazzy, or maybe just jazzy. But I think his tastes have matured, and if we can get him to see the light, he'll soak up Brooklyn to Gaucho. I think Royal Scam has that sass and edge, a great mix of the rock side of Dan and the jazz side and great stories- it's like SD's gateway drug. While he isn't a jazz hater, he is definitely more a rocker. He's into classic rock, prog rock (Rush, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree), ska, and indie music. He's also a novice guitarist and was a trumpet player in our high school band, who definitely appreciates good musicianship.
What do you guys think?
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 19:17:51 ET
Posted by: W Dop, yo
1. Lisa- nice to know there are vids - i'm not exactly sure how to put them up either.
2. sting's favorite painter is s. hannock. interesting stuff.
http://www.stephenhannock.com/
3. ¿ if you were to go through life with a one word moniker - a la sting - what would it be?
5. ¿how do you make the upside down Question marks on a PC? do thay have a name?
dop
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 17:32:15 ET
Posted by: LisaG, with a hammer in her hand
wt (I'm assuming)--thanks for the skinny on The Fuzz. I'm going in November and I'm stoked! I think I'll wear a throw-back t-shirt from the Synchronicity days. Ahh, sweet nostalgia. There's a Stinglet opener? Well I guess his boy would be in his late 20's by now so...good to know. I think he and Trudie have three kids, if I'm not mistaken. Hope I qual-ee-fy as a hot 36 year old ex-teenager at these shows. :-P
doppel, meine freund--No one my band is technologically literate enough to figure out how to get any of our live video online. I can't even save the darn things off of the disk they were burned to. Inept ain't the word to cover it. I would if I could, eh. Help, anyone? These vids were taken with a run of-the-mill digital camera.
Dangentially speaking...I just got Fagen's "Concepts" DVD in the mail. I should pop it in tonight and give a listen/watch. Excited to see that Warren Bernhardt collaborated. Donald looks downright "smoldering" on the front jacket. Hahaha! :-D
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 16:27:34 ET
Posted by: Larry the Hat, Bananas At Large Thrill Valley
Bear better not leave tonight. I still have people wanting to buy his art pieces. The real question is not is there gas in the car. It is has the chic made it over the hill with the ghee yet and what is taking her so long?
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 15:30:21 ET
Posted by: Bear who?, Some where USA hiding under a dayglo berka
Is that on Owsley Stanley or Walter's friend Stanley Owsley?
He is leaving the USA tonight for home with his wife who was barely mentioned in the article.
I hope there is gas in the car because it is going to be a heck of a long wet drive. I can hardly wait to see the carry on. The packing has been going on for days and nights.
Some lucky doggy is getting a warm REI dog coat some where in Oz just in time for Winter and a few electronic gadgets to go with it like a couple of new macs and maybe some organic clarified butter too ; - ) What a lucky old shadow that dog is. If he gets bored he can always chase some frogs around the dam in his new threads or post here on the blue.
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 13:54:54 ET
Posted by: sctas, nola
Deacon
get a grip will you
I wrote three dan reviews this month
and enjoyed the hell out of those shows
don't want anyone else to miss this tour
due to their "dan only" alliances
rant mode off
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 11:17:56 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Is this a Steely Dan related forum, or what??
Seems that people here are faster and more enthousiast to give Police reviews than SD setnews.
Thanks to all those ones that sended all those SD setreviews this last month. But a little more details and inspiration about the individual acts would be more on his place. I feel lesser enthousiasm and interest about the Heavy Rollers tour or am i wrong?
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 10:34:38 ET
Posted by: scats, nola
sting's sons band Fictionplane played from 8 to 8:30
he looks like a young stinglet or grungy woody harrelson
not nearly as savy on bass but great voice
material so so
Police 9 to 11
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 09:04:59 ET
Posted by: Police show,
Sorry for the quick non-Dan content, but for those who have attended Police concerts from this tour, can you tell me how long the opening act is, or appx what time the Police hit the stage vs. the ticket concert time? Thanks
Date: Sun, July 01, 2007, 01:33:11 ET
Posted by: stacking cutouts at the strand, nola police concert
took my son to see the police
o m g
in my top three concerts of all time
these guys put on a killer high energy show
and those 15 year old chicks this college kid wouldn't stand going to the show to be drown out by are now hot 40 year olds, yowser
splurged on Best Buy front row auctions
4 seats from dead center right in front of andy
what energy
sting is a thin chisheled rock god (and looks a hell of a lot younger than on tv (grow out the hair dude, tantrics working), Andy is 64 and all over the guitar, Stew is so cool and looks mid 30s)
Andy sees my eno shirt on the opener and mouths eno
we had a dialog all show
at the end he graciously throws my son his pick
caught in mid air
made my month
mastercard commercial for sure - priceless
wow!
dislodge the hype and miss this tour at your own peril
at least that tour will get the cadillac dvd treatment
don and walt take note - euro dvd guys
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 20:06:53 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger , ¿did you say ganger?
1. is there a soundboard of the tour yet? and how do I get it?
2. peak organic beer - yes. but you folks don't deserve it!!!
3. melodicas cause global warming!
4. you tube of lisa's band yet?
5. rumours about paul and yoko hooking up?!
6. how about that drew zzzingggg?
7. just get baila - fantastic! http://www.robertojuanrodriguez.com/media.html
8. brilliant!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y1IkJwCU&mode=related&search=
9. c'mon - i know you loved starcastle! http://www.starcastlemusic.com/
10. Practice in front of a bush: Captain Beefheart's rules for guitarists
http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2007/06/practice-in-front-of-bush-captain.html
feel free to praise this great post!
Dop
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 15:54:49 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Riding out the Storm, no, I've never gotten into the Doors. I thought it wasn't all that melodic and certainly not nearly as sophisticated as SD. It's just not in my taste buds.
HouDanFan, that's understandable. Josie, while I like it, isn't nearly as good as Peg, Deacon Blues, Black Cow (forgot to put that on my list), etc. Actually, I've noticed something rather interesting. If you take the songs you like from their 70's output and arrange them chronologically, sans Night By Night, it's like a progression from day to night. Think about it: Do It Again begins, "In the morning you go gunnin'..." The earlier albums tended to be more bright. By the time you get to The Royal Scam, we're in the evening hours. Aja & Gaucho are definitely nighttime music. Then they went to sleep. Two decades later, they woke up all bright and sunny with Gaslighting Abbie.
Anybody else notice this?
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 15:25:06 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Phlig, not to point out the obvious but the soundtrack to "FM" has the full version of the song on it, too. There's also a reprise at the end of the soundtrack and some good stuff in between. Supposedly the soundtrack trumps the movie, kinda like "You Light Up My Life", but having never seen the movie I couldn't say for sure.
Ann, I'm so thrilled you'll be able to enjoy the Dan again and a little closer to home! Wish we could be there together, go and be fabulous!
Just when I thought all hope was lost in HomeGoods as far as injecting more Dan/Don into the mix of music in the store lo and behold here comes the New Frontier! All we've ever played is IGY. My face lit up and I was almost happy to be at work today!
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 13:58:16 ET
Posted by: Yvonne, Your roommate
Oh. Does Keith frequent this place? :-P
::winking:: at s-f ;-)
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 13:16:44 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, sweeping up the play room
Ann, darling, Bon Voyage! Be careful out there and keep us posted. Hope to catch up with you sometime later this year downunder.
Congratulations Lonnie and Keith...or whatevah. Hell, yeah, I've had more fun meeting people here than my internet dating service.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 11:15:36 ET
Posted by: LisaG, In the playroom
Congratulations, Lonnie. Hope you have a band. :-P
Thanks KC, re: sound. I guess the muddled bass is here to stay.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 09:44:28 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Congrats to Lonnie and his new bride
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 09:33:08 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
That's a good list Mike. I would have to say that is my favorite era of the Dan as well. But for some reason, I've never gotten into Josie. I've tried listening to that song over and over, but it doesn't register. I've heard or read somewhere it is one of D & W favorite songs.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 07:57:39 ET
Posted by: Riding out the Storm, Morrison Hotel
CT Mike
Have you ever gotten into The Doors? Much of their stuff is Dan-like and they were the first to blend pop, jazz, blues and take it to the mainstream.
When I thought of night ride songs one of my favourites is Riders on the Storm, dark, sophisticated jazzy.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 04:16:17 ET
Posted by: To Philg,
That's the version off of the Gold best of compilation.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 03:53:27 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
My favorite SD songs for late evening/night drives are:
Babylon Sisters (easy one)
Deacon Blues
Josie
Home At Last
Gaucho
Time Out Of Mind (noticing a trend?)
Glamour Profession :D
Aja
FM
Night By Night
Yeah, so, basically, almost all of the songs are from the Aja/Gaucho period. Something to do with the cool arrangements and dark, sophisticated mood. Also fitting: Space Cowboy by Jamiroquai, Stepping Out by Joe Jackson, Give Me The Night by George Benson, et al.
Don't think anybody cares but oh well. Not much else to talk about.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 03:32:37 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
You can find that version with the box set titled 'Citizen Steely Dan'; also, it's on their 'Gold' album which is similar to 'A Decade Of Steely Dan' only not as good.
Date: Sat, June 30, 2007, 01:18:12 ET
Posted by: Phlig,
Heard a version of F.M. tonight that has saxophone solo at the end rather than guitar- has anyone heard this?
Know where to get a copy?
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 23:23:39 ET
Posted by: siraxz, london
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Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 21:06:39 ET
Posted by: kid charlemagne, aka owsley, "the bear"
After all the talk here on the blue, the new Rolling Stone magazine has an interesting article on Owsley this week that might add some interesting details.
Kid Charlemagne/Steely is even mentioned in the article. I wonder if "The Bear" outtake is another nod to Owsley.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 20:49:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thank you, ma brotha Bob. Long may you waive and thank you for joining us on the Blue. We need every together person we can find ovah heeer cause the nutjobs are enough to drive us crazyier than we already are.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 18:44:53 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah,
You grow weary sahib...
...and taking multitude of slap-shots, master.
No matter...next time you visit Southland, we enjoy boilt p'nuts together.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 18:42:12 ET
Posted by: Listening ..., l
... to the XM show, it's the Sony concert from 2000 that was later released as the "Plush" DVD. They REALLY edited a lot of Ted Baker's piano parts out of the release, especially on "Black Friday." Also, Donald mentions a the band having a clam or two following "Gaslighting Abbie."
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 18:22:23 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
And now it's our turn
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 18:06:04 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...congratulations to Lonnie the Kingpin who is tying the knot this weekend!
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 17:25:48 ET
Posted by: Crewster, on Wisconsin
Am I to be the first to note another reason last night was special ? Wesikopf and Leonhart played with Sam's group in the opening slot , I thought it was 10-4. Maybe I was the only one on the blue who saw the set. The house was no more than 1/4 full for most of it, a shame because there was some great blowing
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 17:21:11 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Just a reminder - SD concert on XM channel 45 at 6:00 eastern - recorded in NY at time unknown, time out of mind.
Whither the harshness, mates? We're riding on the Groove Line tonight.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 15:48:47 ET
Posted by: Andrew, Rumson
Nice! Didn't know Barry was hip.
Fuck Em Bucky!
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:49:29 ET
Posted by: MKE DanFan, Milwaukee
Last night's Milwaukee Summerfest show was special. The crowd was about 1/2 the size of last years show with MM, but there was a good amount ot energy in the performance and the attendees. Listening to Babylon Sisters as the sun set in the west was pretty cool.
Jim Pugh really gave it all, especially on Godwhacker. Donald and Walter in great form. Walter is in his element doing the dialogue on Hey 19. As the show closed I wondered again if this might be the last time to see the boys, let's hope not. It's been close to 40 years since they first played Milwaukee at a place called Humpin Hannah's. They sounded good then and they sound even better today.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:32:55 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
My post referenced 2 separate couples-One is dating, the other engaged. I know both guys and consider them friends. If they want to talk about their relationships on here, that's their business.
Lighten the fuck up.
_______________________________________________________________
Also, some new Dandom romances I wasn't aware of!?!? Very cool.
And a wedding in Indiana??
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:27:01 ET
Posted by: I now pronounce you, Man & Wife
Hey Mike- Keith didn't meet his fiancée as a result of their interest in Steely Dan. Keith's fiancée actually had no idea who Steely Dan was when they met.
Hey Mike! Don't losse that number (and get your facts straight)
Let's Go Badgers!
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:24:18 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
Thanks,
Haven't heard a comeback like that since the 3rd grade.
Anonymous moron, my email address is on my post--use it if you think you need to discuss this further. Otherwise-go away.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:17:28 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Left on the Rio Grande
LG--Hahahaha! By all means, you can be whoever you want to be. Just don't forget to take pictures. :-P
Eh...maybe I'm being a little harsh on ya about the DJ. I look at it this way: :-P
No seriously, I look at it like this...if you can, at least have some live music at your affair, then do it--even if it's a combo for cocktails. Live music could be a wonderful present from your aunts and uncles or some other family group. I mean, we got crystal at our wedding. Do I ever use it? No. I would have gladly done without it if it meant that there was some other groovy gift I could think of registering for.
To me, there's nothing worse than paying someone to PLAY CD'S (and you pay big bucks, too) for a day so incredibly special to you. I would soooner listen to a fountain or some other white noise.
P.S. My band plays Dan, and there are plenty of less expensive outfits out there. Shop around.
``This message has been brought to you by a member of your national starving musicians.`` :-D
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 14:15:07 ET
Posted by: Hey Dummy,
Yes I'm sure hoops appreciates you not showing up at the Chicago Danfest.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 13:54:48 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
First of all anonymous ASSHOLE it is not my place to start talking about who is dating whom and who is getting married. They know who they are. I know they read the blue and if they wish to bring their personal affairs up on here, that's up to them. I was simply extending my congratulations to yet another couple that met as a result of their interest in Steely Dan.
The Alverez comment wasn't particularly funny unless you were there. The lights were still up, pre-show and Barry's looking for his seat as the faithful in the immediate area were giving shout-outs and a little applause. He just looked at me, laughed and thought it was cute. Probably the last guy I expected to see that night.
I'm sure hoops appreciates your police work here on the blue. As for me-you can go fuck yourself.
HeyMike
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 13:30:24 ET
Posted by: Hey Dummy,
Hey Mike said:
Also, some new Dandom romances I wasn't aware of!?!? Very cool.
And a wedding in Indiana??
Barry Alverez (former Wisconsin football coach and now athletic director) walked in 2 rows in front of me. I shouted "Barry don't lose that number" and got a laugh from him!
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Hey Mike - What the f*&k are you talking about?
I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but the rest of us on this guestbook aren't mind readers. And since you're probably the only person here that follows Wisconsin Football, we don't get your Barry don't loose that number" joke either.
Maybe you're talking to yourself?
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 12:33:18 ET
Posted by: groll, london
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Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 12:14:19 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Steely Dan concert recorded in NY (what year I'm not sure) to be replayed on XM Channel 45 at 6:00 p. m. eastern time today. I heard part of it a couple of days ago and seem to remember several 2vN tracks.
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 11:57:02 ET
Posted by: Clean Wllie, France
There's also a lovely Dorsey/Sinatra version of "I only have eyes for you" from 1941. But surely these are quibbles - did not Art Garfunkel melt the faces off the competition with his definitive schmaltzfest?
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 11:20:03 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Southbound I-94
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=626265
Review from the Milwaukee Urinal Sentinel
Great show-Godwhacker blew me away.
Also, some new Dandom romances I wasn't aware of!?!? Very cool.
And a wedding in Indiana??
Miss a little miss a lot I guess.
Barry Alverez (former Wisconsin football coach and now athletic director) walked in 2 rows in front of me. I shouted "Barry don't loose that number" and got a laugh from him!
HeyMike
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 11:12:54 ET
Posted by: lawgator, 1975 VW Van out back
Lisa G. Okey doke, you can be the original LG. Can I be Batman?
As to my comment about a DJ at my "one day" wedding and your retort that I have to hire a live band, I plan on marrying poor, so I figure not to get my hopes up. Its funny, I did expect a few folks on here to be fans of the song "I Only Have Eyes for You" and a healthy portion of them to know that the 1959 version beats the crap out of, say, the Dean Martin version. But I didn't expect to hear that folks actually had the same reaction to it, which was that it is a great wedding song.
Well, it probably matters not at this point as all of my married friends are either divorced, getting divorced, wish they were divorced, or in counseling to try to avoid the divorce that is sure to come. Right now, just doesn't seem like marriage is a groovy plan for a rambling man like myself. Speaking of which ....
Lurker Ray, you say you better "lay your money down?" Is that Robert Plant (the young version) I hear out in the hallway? See e.g. LZ II. Believe it or not, I have this twisted fantasy of Jimmy Page playing lead with Steely Dan, just on a lark. You know, really "rock up" Reelin,' or something like that. Now how cool would that be?
Off to take some LSD in the 1975 VW van out back. (Not really. Instead I'm going to lunch in my 2005 Honda. Have to eat a salad, trying to keep the doctor happy. Sheesz, whatever happened to the time?)
LG, er, I mean Batman
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 09:25:29 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
But there is such a thing as jamming a bit too hard, as you can witness first-hand here ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2pyde1IuOQ
Wait until you make it to 3:15. :D
To quote:
bassmanners (2 weeks ago)
take this stupid video off u tube this guy suck balls, i played like that when i was 6 months,,, actually way better,... who the hell is this wierdo anyways???
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 09:23:31 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
But there is such a thing as jamming a bit too hard, as you can witness first-hand here ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2pyde1IuOQ
Wait until you make it to 3:15 ...and 4:10. :D
To quote:
bassmanners (2 weeks ago)
take this stupid video off u tube this guy suck balls, i played like that when i was 6 months,,, actually way better,... who the hell is this wierdo anyways???
Date: Fri, June 29, 2007, 01:55:10 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
Milwaukee - sound was very good, perhaps the bass was a little muddled but overall very good.
Great performance, everyone was on the top of their respective games. Donald did seem to be in an especially good mood.
Walter's Hey 19 story included a blanket on the beach of lake michigan, a liverwurst sandwich and to love good you must dine good.
Walter introduced Cindy as "the lushious miss cindy mizelle" and then went on to say that " y not introducing carolyn that way didn't mean she wasn't lushious, it's just that she's married now."
Great stuff. My sister went to her first Dan show tonight and she and her hubby said that Carlock was fantastic.
Peace, Love and Dan
KC
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:59:13 ET
Posted by: LG, I gotta Molson in the fridge...
But Woody, CD's version of God Bless America is to die for.
Woo hoo--thanks for the play by play, Hoops via GM. Now...how was the sound? :-P
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:57:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Howard Levy!
So great to hear that Howard
joined the band last night
in Chicago for a little "Logic".
He truly is a really nice guy.
Met him when I tended bar at
the Green Mill. He still often
plays there. BTW, if you want
to take a neat "multimedia" tour
of the Green Mill, there is a
great interactive story in today's
Chicago tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070627greenmill-story,1,3689821.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
And to all the "Heavy Rollers" across
the pond, get ready. Because this
summer's “oldest, established crap game”
is coming to a town or shire near you.
All bets are on, so "lay your money
down"!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:53:22 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, rain a comin'
yea, thx and mike, try to jam a bit, it'll give you some outlet. See jam here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGC3JOm78Q
You have here Guy Clark with the glass of red wine; Rodney Crowell in the middle and Steve Earl jamming.
What a blast! woof congrats to SD. Stay a little longer
kudos fifer and Raj--did you get those dental enhancements?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:46:40 ET
Posted by: Raven, Look over yonder storm a comin'
wow, thx hoops and gm: thx for the play by play
Mike or whoever you are today. I consulted my equals about your need to share your feelings and I was advised not be negative but to encourage you to put all those feelings to music. ravin'
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:22:44 ET
Posted by: Fife, look below
Oh yeah Woody you got my yea on that.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:20:54 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Quite appropriate to be talking about Canada with July 1st coming up. I won't be here this year, heading to the wilderness, setting up a tent, and hoping to do a bit of crabbing.
I miss Rick Mercer, the only chance I've had of seeing him is when I'm watching a hockey game on NHL Center Ice that's being broadcast by the CBC. Only time I see Don Cherry as well, though he was on NBC during the finals. What a traitor man, saying the Ducks would win, bastard!
So tonights the final US show for the Dan. Here's hoping they book a few more when they come back. Especially here on the East Coast, is the being greedy???
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:18:01 ET
Posted by: hoops via Girl Margaret, Summerfest
Aja
Bodhisatva
Encores:
FM
Kid Charlamagne
Carolyn
Girl Margaret says: And that concludes the US Leg of the Heavy Rollers Tour!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:03:12 ET
Posted by: Woods, the poll has begun
All in favor (favour - you Canadians running MS Word spellcheckers should get a kick out that one) say "Yea"
or eh.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 23:00:47 ET
Posted by: Woody, if this is your idea of convincing me to stay in Canada
G.M. and LisaG,
I beg of you.
Please.
Do you really want to see a grown man cry?
No more Anne Murray.
And while we are at it, before it begins - let's not permit Celine Dion to contaminate this forum either.
There is only a finite amount of music forums available where a proud Canadian can share his love of music with their peers and not have to resort to writing about The Twin Towers of Canadian Evil.
This hurts. So much so, that I will agree to no longer raise the "Coke-can" incident ever again, if it means we agree NOT to write anymore about Anne Murray and Celine Dion.
Promise?
It's no longer an opinion, if its a way of life.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:50:31 ET
Posted by: hoops via Girl Margaret, Summerfest
Josie
The naming of the band
Chain Lightning
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:49:03 ET
Posted by: LG, Pisces, Virgo rising
Anne Murray did a sweet cover of "Danny's Song."
:-)
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:33:33 ET
Posted by: hoops via Girl Margaret, Summerfest
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Donald is in a really good mood. Show not quite as good as last night but is great.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:29:45 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Re: Canada
Don't forget Anne Murray. There's an Anne Murray museum up north, I do believe. I'm sure all of you heading up to Canada for a lil vacay will want to add that to your list of things to see.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:20:55 ET
Posted by: hoops via Girl Margaret, Summerfest
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 22:01:48 ET
Posted by: hoops via Girl Margaret, Summerfest
Set list from Milwaukee:
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Guy in the 5th row holding a huge sign that says "Who the hell is Eminem?"
(Girl Margaret is currently laughing her ass off)
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:56:59 ET
Posted by: Woody, Waiting with the straight-jacket
Raj,
Ya mean you have a team too? Man, we should get a web site built for folks like us, and yes - we shall call it the Blueboo......nevermind
And I s'ppose you forgot all about the ill-fated Barons of the WHA in the 70's? Yep - me too. Gerry Cheevers was a great goalie by-the-by.
Well Cleveland has bowling - Ottawa has curling. Take away the pins, put a bullseye at the end of the lane instead, coat it with ice, flatten the ball - we've got a lot in common.
And despite all of the assets, Canada does lack one very important thing, that is very dear and near to me - A FREAKIN DATE FOR THE HEAVY ROLLERS TOUR. My guess is (knowing how vital it is to W + D) the beer is TOO strong.
So Fife, living in Maryland gives me a close proximity to many SD dates right? That's it I'm oughtta here (after I build the igloo of course)!!!!!!!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:44:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah, the Canucks come out of their shells
Chicoutimi lad, Cleveland had the Barons in the 50s and 60s but for some reason, as cold a climate as it has, hockey never took hold. We ascribe this anomoly to the fact that bowling is the chief recreational activity in the winter months, October through May.
And in tandem with keeping her legs together, a girl certainly must know when it becomes high time comes to spread 'em. The esteemed ladies on this forum do not strike me as ever having double clutched on that decision. Love you Blue girls, you make me feel so young.
Woody - I could keep a team of mental health professionals busy 24/7, thank you for noticing.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:43:32 ET
Posted by: Woods, Anyone see the movie Canadian Bacon?
LisaG
I thought it would be best for all to keep cheap drugs out of the subject......y'know for obvious reasons.
But hell it's June 28th - I think I'll go out and build me an igloo.
Regarding the moon landing - ya mean....it wasn't....nawww! Can't be. In the studio?
And everyone knows from their accents the Fabs were originally from Moose Jaw Saskatchewan - home of the annual spring of the polar bears.
True patriot love folks.
p.s. anyone a fan of Rick Mercer? Just wondering.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:28:06 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Great White South, er...Southern Northeast
Rajah--I didn't say I agreed with him. But it is an interesting conspiracy theory. And who really, really knows for sure...hmmm.
:-P
Woody--you forgot...the land of cheap prescriptions. Long live Canada!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:22:44 ET
Posted by: Shots on Goal Hockey 101, Chicoutimi, Quebec
Ra-Jah
You grew up on the Great Lake of Erie, Great Lakes region is the US hockey hotbed-- and don't know of the Five Hole? What a Shame About You (Dangential).
Well you have schooled many of us, now I welcome the opportunity to school YOU!
Picture a goalie standing in in front a six foot wide by four foot high rectangle, which is the regulation opening of a hockey net.
Wht you the shooter sees, going clockwise, starting in the upper LEFT corner is the "one" hole, upper RIGHT is the "two" hole, lower RIGHT three. lower LEFT four. So the four corners you shoot for are "one" thru "four" "holes" which are created since the goalie's body itself is usually occupying the central area of the opening.
The open area between the goalie's legs from the ice surface up to his or her NETHERS is the so-called "five hole". When a goalie allows a puck to get thru there for a score, "what a shame about them"(Dangential).
In hockey as in life, you can get yourself in trouble by spreading you legs at wrong time.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:18:48 ET
Posted by: Woody, Canada - where its ALL our fault
Fion-n-a, do you think maybe Rajah suffers from soda envy? Just a guess but it would appear a certain "someone" is getting a little edgy that a can is getting so much attention. Hmmmmm - as if Rajah hasn't already given Freud enough to think about.
My esteemed cousin to the south - your "frozen tundra" post failed to mention other assets;
BEER - not the Labatt's Blue, Molson's Canadian variety either, Steam Whistle, Keiths, Moosehead et al.
Lumberjacks - imagine Monty Python doing the song/skit about Rednecks?
Trailer Park Boys - uhmmmmm
Comedy - the original SCTV cast vs. the original SNL cast - I dare ya
Poutine - hey who doesn't like potatoes, gravy, and cheese all in one bowl?
Sanctioned Federal Separtists - what other country in the world has a legal federal gov't party whose sole objective is to seperate from the country - c'mon guys it screams "ANYTHING GOES!".
and last but not least our women - Trish Stratus, Shania Twain, Estelle Warren, Pamela Anderson, Elisha Cuthbert, Linda Evangelista, Mia Kirshner, Jill Hennessy, Rachel McAdams etc. - and of course our ex-pat Fife!
So although summer in Canada may appear to be a nice two week break between winter seasons, and we adore "sanctioned violence" (which I thought was a trademark of CNN) sports, we also love rolling around our SD records (CD technology hasn't arrived here yet - it's coming by dogsled).
We stand on guard for thee.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 21:03:22 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Raj,
The five hole is when the puck is shot between the goalies legs.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 20:56:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
LG, with all due respect to your Dad, does he also think the Moon landing was staged in a TV studio? No, the Beatles' development as the pre-eminent pop songwiters of their generation can be traced, I daresay, by any half way decent musicologist. Maybe he was just one of the people resistent to the English Invasion and later had to admit to their musical magic.
However I can tell you about a guy in the Valley who penned, "Sweet Child of Mine," for those moron Guns 'n Roses. Sold it outright and they slapped their names on the disc as songwiters. All very legal, all very unethical.
Fionna(two Ns), tear your tremulous tushie from off the big brash Blaupunkts and get in the kitchen and rattle them pots 'n pans!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:57:23 ET
Posted by: LisaG, In the service elevator
Lawgator—Actually I was the original LG from Yellow. But let’s not bicker and argue about ‘ho is ‘ho… Neener, neener. :-P Now what’s this about you having a DJ at your wedding when the time comes? Forgive me, but…are you insane, man? That’s almost like serving canned peas and Velveeta mac and cheese at your wedding because, well everybody likes it. Dude…hire a band. At least hire a combo. You might even get Dan from a sophisticated ensemble. (Gee, I hope I read your post wrong.)
That said, my dad had a band that I paid my way through college playing in and we used to do a cover of the “I Only Have Eyes for You” remake—all 80’s up and synthesized. But what a sexy groove that was. This is an old standard, by the way. It was a staple ballad in my jazz trio book—every night.
Ya know, speaking of…my father always had this theory that the Beatles, after they got famous, hired a couple of ghost-writers for their more heady stuff. An example of something he might say is, “There is no way the same people who came up with ‘I Wanna Hold Your Hand’ could have produced the sophistication of ‘Norwegian Wood’ or ‘Yesterday.’ “
Brain Strainer—You mean…there is no Santa? :-(
I have to say one other thing…”Cousin Dupree” is probably the biggest piece of rubbish these guys have ever produced. I risk accidents while driving to push the button in an effort to skip that track before it even starts. That said, I love Jack of Speed, both the Donald version: “He can’t hear you, honey, that’s alright” and the Walter (live) version: “He can’t hear you honey, that’s Ok.” Nice lick, soothingly cool undercurrent and infectious horn lick that requires incredible respiratory stamina. Cool and sophisticated, all the way.
Gina, my love—Lunch. Nino’s. 1:00. See you there. Upon listening, I find Yvinek’s “Tie Me Up” to have that late 60’s hippie quality (Could this be a theme for some retro James Bondage movies? Ha.) with some experimental tidbits here and there. Love when it grooves out after the whispering bridge. But for the most part…I think I can fall asleep to this. Hypnotic at times, downright unsettling at others.
Fife—My SD first love was Donald’s voice on the likes of “Peg,” “Hey 19,” “Deacon Blues,” and “Babylon Sisters.” Yes…the singles. I wasn’t heavy into Dan during their actual releases. I just remember being fascinated with his voice and the funky tunes when I was in grade school getting my morning breakfast before heading out for the day. Great stuff, I always thought…but what major analysis can a 7 year old muster? I didn’t actually become a die-hard fan until I was 29…and about to join an R&B outfit who required me to learn for my audition one “Black Cow” but in Bb. When I first hear this tune…yes, I had never heard it until then…I was blown away by it and ate it up. And the coolest part for me each time we do it is that I get to play the keyboard solo. :-D We like to fashion for it a wet and dirty groove that is a wee bit under-tempo. I don’t know how, but it works.
Ann—I’d pay good money to see you eat your knickers. :-P
Rajah—Forgive me, but I peeked at the SD cupcakes. I must say…the gold teeth were awfully frightening. But I loved all of ‘em. In fact, the Black Cow was udderly amazing. :-D
Oh and Raj-ey-pooh, don’t get all up in Fife’s grill about her sensual Dannish experiences. Every time I hear the opening lick of “Hey 19,” I get a little devil inside of me. That said, “stick your tushie up against the big Blaupunkts and vibrate” nearly made me spit my dinner. Send love to G.
Chris—I love “Tiny Dancer” as well. Also “Someone Saved My Life Tonight” and “Don’t Let the Sun Go Down On Me”--all terrifically passionate anthem-ballads. Maybe that was the John/Taupin forte. (Although in a different vein, I even adopted “Blue Eyes” as a song about ME when I was in 7th grade.) But someone PLEASE tell Elton John that we are sick of his damn plagal cadences. The Lion King, for the most part, is trite and sing-songy because of this uninventive harmonic drudgery. I mean, it’s nice to have a signature, but…at least let it be something interesting...like a mu chord or something.
Oh sweet love…I want to hear Green Earrings live again. Where’s the skinny on the Cicady Lied fest, too?
Vincent—you make me want to be in London with your Birmingham shuffle. But if Balti means curry…what exactly do you mean by “curry?” An Indian dish? I’m too much Yankee to have even the littlest clue.
Pleading to the Alpha Humans on the Blue--I personally would love to see posts on here that discuss events, inanimate works of art, abstract concepts…but not posts that discuss anyone’s own worthiness to have or not have an opinion. But then again, who am I? DON’T ANSWER THAT. :-P
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:52:31 ET
Posted by: Duffskins, Oak Lawn
I would like to purchase a t-shirt from the concert last night at the Auditorium Theatre in Chicago. The t-shirt has a roulette wheel on the front with Steely Dan. Please tell me where I can purchase the shirt. I wasn't able to get one at the performance. Thanks in advance.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:50:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The five hole? OK, I'm afraid there's a severe gap in my knowledge of things, like, where's the four hole and what else have I been missing?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:30:59 ET
Posted by: Fife, Balimore, eh
Raj,
First things first,eh. It's Fionna, not Fiona, but Fionna. Makes it Irish rather then English and considering my Mum supported the IRA, I wish she hadn't, makes sense.
Hockey is only for those whose minds can wrap around the idea of 12 guys on blades, who chase a black disc and try to put it in the five hole. Most guys I know like to put things in holes.
Yes it's true the weather can be brutal but where I come from it's more like six months of cold and six months of hot. Why do you think I moved to Maryland???
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:20:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Honey I saw the video, the lighting was poor but even so everyone could tell you're hot and what I really liked is that you were open to exploring new frontiers. And of course you're smart, I saw the Larry King interview and you were...beyond smart. Waaay beyond smart. Way past. You've got the right dynamic to be a Steely Dan girl.
BTW, could I perhaps interest you in a genuine Donald Fagen Coke can?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 18:11:21 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, out for a spin
Rajah, I am NOT dumb, I am smart! Not dumb but SMART, see? But I am blonde so does that mean I'm just half-hot in bed? You saw the video, was I hot or not?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 17:57:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Mike, married men NEVER fantasize about other women(Paris Hilton) because(Paris Hilton)we love our(Paris Hilton) spouse so very(Paris Hilton)that, see, there's just(Paris Hilton) no room in our hearts(Paris Hilton) for anybody else. Nuff said.
Now you probably know that the crazier and more dangerous the woman, the hotter the(Paris Hilton) sex you will have with that(Paris Hilton) woman. That's just Boinking 101. Or and if they're blonde and dumb as a pile of rocks(Paris Hilton), that also works as well.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 17:40:25 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
With songs like Almost Gothic and Negative Girl, I often wonder what sort of girl DF has a preference to. The quiet, dark, dangerous (at least because he's imagining it) type? It's said that art is translation of the soul, and it's evident that what he writes about reflects the manner in which he observes things, at least sometimes. I know he's married and all but even married men sometimes fantasize about other women ...not that I'm accusing him.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 17:18:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Blame Canada
Which does explain a lot, Fiona. I mean, look at hockey, it's sanctioned violence on ice within the confines of thinly veiled field game. But I guess when you live in a frozen tundra nine months out of the year you tend to get a little squirrely. You pity folks who've never tasted beavertail and you have ten different recipies for moose. Given all that, getting off on rolling around on your Steely Dan records seems like reasonble behavior. OK, I get it.
For the last time it's not my Coke can. To me it represents a reminder of a certain person's long-buried teenage angst.
Bob, beats me what Pretzel Logic is about but I get a sense of a parallel universe setting rather than outer space. That and Charlie Parker sprinkled in. It's my least favorite Steely Dan album. Maybe we should put it to the Dr. Hook forum, I hear they got some real smart fellers over there.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 16:52:29 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Raj,
It's the Canadian way, eh.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 16:51:17 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
My dear friend Hoops.
Thank you for that quick setreport.
Am counting well?? Did our heavy rollers play 18 songs??
That's a real progress!!
SD day -7
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 16:14:33 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Chillin' in St Augustine Beach
Hoops, great set report. LOL
I'm hoping somone writes up a review.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 16:14:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Chillin' in St Augustine Beach
Hoops, great set report. LOL
I'm hoping somone writes up a review.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 16:11:09 ET
Posted by: Raven, roadkill
Ok, Mike. I'll say it. I am not lacking the maturity to hold a discussion without resorting to hurling lame insults.
Let's see--hurl lame insults or hurl regurgitated brat parts? :<~~ I've already used sperm burper, so . . . lemme get back with to ya, so you can win. Ravin'
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 15:40:13 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah,
Thanks for the kind words...and, honestly, you got a heck of a belly laugh from me when I read the Dr. Hook comment.
Agreed...I'll move on and away from the KC analysis (I am known as "Dark Man" in some circles...so you're right on the button with that observation).
Is Pretzel Logic a concept album about Bird?...I know the tune "With a Gun" may be a stretch in that regard but all other tracks seem to loosely support the premise...I guess I am most interested in the interpretation of the title track relative to its supporting the concept album assertion (I have no earthly idea what it's about...I've heard it's about time travel).
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 15:16:04 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Canada
Rajah,
Or possessing a soda pop can but you can't touch it (because it's sealed in a display case) or drink it's contents?
Ya, something like that I guess.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 13:43:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Look, I esteem our Fife no end but, geez, how do you experience Steely Dan viscerally and not intellectually? Fife honey, whaddya do, stick your tushie up against the big Blaupunkts and vibrate? Put a Fez on and rotate like a Dervish till your eyes roll back in your head in religious ecstasy? Or maybe dump all the CDs, records and tapes on the throw rug and roll around in them?
Well, I suppose that's valid. But isn't it a trifle...limiting? Like owning a 4-wheel SUV that can cross dry river beds and scale the mesa but only driving it to and from work? How bout like purchasing an exquisitely bound volume and never reading it? OK, like buying the new iPhone just to make phone calls?
A physical, or rather lets say sensual, experience is all well and good but I believe there's a richer experience available and awaiting the listener. Your choice.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 13:18:01 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Interesting story from Dinky Dawson, who has been battling a rare disorder for the past 10 years:
http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/Article.aspx?id=1674
Walter, Denny Dias and Michael McDonald, among other prominent musicians, came to his aid.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 13:15:09 ET
Posted by: CB,
Mike
Ignore that dickhead. He is not worth the effort
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 12:42:33 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Ottawa
Well Fife did it again.
That pretty well sums up the SD listening experience for myself as well.
Typical day - scan the collection of cds, with rarely an intention to pick out a particular artist. While scanning - say to self (cuz I recognize the voice) nope, nope, nope - and then somewhere between Steeler's Wheel and Steppenwolf (ya, I'm old - and apparently bored as the cds are alphabeticalized) I start to go hmmm, hmmmm, and then I hit on one. Insert SD CD into player and get on with the day with smile on face.
It doesn't have to be THAT complicated.
p.s. but I do get a kick reading folk's posts who like to dissect it all. I also agree that aliens lifted poor EJ to the space ship and replaced him with elevator-music-generating artist we see before us. If I have to be subjected to Candles in The Wind just one more time........
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 12:33:02 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Raven, so let me get this straight. I come here and begin discussing how I feel about SD and some thoughts on their music, plus make one comment about my distaste for Elton John, and people go insane. It's not as if I came in here and began personally insulting any particular member, yet they took offense, yourself included. Read the things you say and tell me you're not lacking the maturity to hold a discussion without resorting to hurling lame insults. I only got to discuss little about SD thanks to people like you who ruin this place and tarnish the image of the fanbase.
Dr Wu, wow, what a shock. How many more times are you going to repeat the same line, "TAKE THE MEDS"? I have one for you: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I don't enjoy talking to most of you because all you want to do is pick fights.
Bassicinstinct, arrange these words:
FLOCK
OF
FEATHER
A
BIRDS
TOGETHER
Yeah, I knew you'd come back and try to play the passive role like you weren't originally talking about me when it's obvious that you were.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 11:58:40 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, with the working girls in the county jail
I missed sooo many Steely Dan shows because of that nasty Judge. Then that gnarly old man Larry King asked me what Bible passage was my favorite and I, like, blanked out. I have ADD, or as my Mom calls me, stupid, ya know, and, what was I saying? Oh yeah, if Larry had asked me for my favorite Steely Dan lyric I could have come up with one like totally fast: "It's party time."
See, I'm not dumb. I'm smart, see, smart not dumb. See?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 11:58:13 ET
Posted by: PeteEvans, Manchester UK
Apologies ! You need a contact point !! info@peakfinance.co.uk If interested in ticket for next Friday at Liverpool. I will sell at face value to genuine fan only.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 11:48:49 ET
Posted by: PeteEvans, Manchester UK
Got one ticket for the concert at Liverpool on Friday 6th July if anyone is interested ?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 11:18:00 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Hoops, thanks for the updates, it was fun to read one by one like that. Was the crowd on its feet for most of the show? Very cool. Looks like a great setlist with a great guest and a great crowd ... can't hope for much more than that.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 10:57:28 ET
Posted by: lawgator, So unfair
Hoops, you guys got Chain Lightning and Pretzel Logic?
What's next, peace in the Middle East, 60 cent a gallon gas and Paris Hilton gets into Harvard?
Clearly, the end days are upon us.
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 10:33:25 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mike:
Arrange the following words into a well known phrase or saying:
CAP
IF
WEAR
FITS
THE
IT
I have no idea what makes you think that my earlier post had any relevance to you at all. Delusions of adequacy perhaps?
My humble suggestion would be that perhaps your prescription needs a slight tweak. LOL
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 08:52:45 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hoops or anyone share Walter's muskateer tale with us
Thanks
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 08:41:32 ET
Posted by: nwk, what
Oh yeal, hoopsmogul--that dissertation on the Digest, the references and transposed songs, etc. is way cool to explore, including notes from from magnificent Green Earrings and lots from the complex T vs N (thus TvN--ok MIke? as explanation for your TAN), interviews, etc.
Yep, SD is shared the love in Chicago and all exceptional song choices. man o man. newk
All: so whatcha gonna do to live your life when the Dan jumps the pond? May I suggest, 1) Late summer show of Costello at the Mann in Phila. Stupedous seats available right now. Oucheroo!
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 08:13:21 ET
Posted by: Nwk, Railroad Tracks by Poorhouse Branch
Wow, thx hoops for the setlist--info. of interest. nwk
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 07:47:31 ET
Posted by: Vincent Egan, Glasgow
Hi Folks,
I realise i have spoken with some people about a Birmingham wing-ding; this would be essentially a balti (curry) and a beer before the event, which, if it is at 'Celebrity balti' at 44 Broad Street, Birmingham, is just around the corner from the venue, and a 5 to 10 minute walk from the concert hall. The problem for me is I have a meeting in London and have to get back to where my car is and then drive over - so much is contingent on traffic, and i can't promise to be at the wingding from 5.30 (surely a sensible time to kick off so drinks and food can be consumed with some delicacy).
Might I suggest that folks in the vicinity spontaneously hit the Celebrity Balti, and we hope to converge?
Sorry about this disorganisation, but duty calls.
Best,
Vince
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 06:34:51 ET
Posted by: drwu, #biscayne bay
Mike
I asked people here not to be profane,but you egg them on
TAKE THE MEDS MIKE
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 05:26:32 ET
Posted by: scouser, tonyland
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 05:11:37 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Scouser:
Your insightfulness is exceeded only by your illiteracy and Mr McCartney's mediocrity. LOL
Thank you for the reply Mr bassicinstinct...What can i say.......4 lads from Nottingham. No i think it's 4 lads from LIVERPOOL. Sorry about my illiteracy.LOL. Mediocrity or Nottingham you do the math
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 04:53:20 ET
Posted by: Raven, Moonflower vine
Mike: You like a few SD songs and you hate a few SD songs. You hate EJ. My question is, now that you have discussed your feelings and have shared the depth and breath of your analyses of the Dan catalogue, now what? Stand around and fight? :>~
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 01:12:00 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK, wrote: "I used to have a young and obnoxious tomcat and, whenever he wanted to get the attention to which he felt entitled, he used to pee on the floor, the furniture and anything else he could find until we took notice of him.
He didn't seem to care that the attention he got was pretty negative (i.e. shouting etc) just so long as he was the focus of everyone's attention.
Question:
Does this sound in any way familar? LOL
PS
Once he was neutered, he was fine. Interesting eh?"
Indeed. Geez, I mean you're so smart and witty, how could I possibly pass up your little swipe? I love the inclusion of "young." Nice touch. Let me guess: you're a middle-aged ex-hipster, a pseudo-intellectual who's 'above the influence,' who's become a part of the enlightened [sic] crowd of Dan worshippers with a bug so far up your ass, it's that time of month ALL month long. When people speak honest opinions which aren't in tune with yours, you resort to faux-cunning, humorless little analogies in order to insult said person. I mean damn, are we back in Elementary School or something? Can't be -- those tend to be more civilized.
Anyway, hope my thoughts about Elton John don't ruin your sleep. Someone doesn't like a musician you enjoy. Somehow life goes on. Let it go. Go listen to Aja. There, feel better?
Date: Thurs, June 28, 2007, 00:09:24 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
TJ, Chris, Hannes et al --
Every time I get a rave about my Aja book from a bona fide SD fan, it buoys my spirits! You guys are the true jury. BTW, for those who purchased the book at amazon.com, amazon.ca, amazon.co.uk, etc.: please take a minute to post a reader review at the site(s) by following the "Write an online review" link. The publicity dep't at Continuum tells me those comments do impact sales...
DB
TITLE: Aja
AUTHOR: Don Breithaupt
ISBN: 0826427839
PUBLISHER: Continuum
LIST PRICE: $10.95
P.S. I loved Elton until he was abducted by aliens in 1976 and replaced with a doppelganger who has been churning out uncool, hookless, embarrassing shite ever since.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 23:15:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Kid Charlamagne
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 23:13:58 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Crowd roars for Howard Levy! INCREDIBLE
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 23:09:41 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Howard Levy on harmonica on Pretzel Logic
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 23:02:09 ET
Posted by: hoops at dandom, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Bodhisatva
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:50:58 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Aja
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:44:55 ET
Posted by: hoops , Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Chain Lightning
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:43:44 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Band intros
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:35:18 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Josie - crowd goes wild!
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:31:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Dirty Work
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:30:08 ET
Posted by: hoops , Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Standing ovation after Green Earrings
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:29:24 ET
Posted by: hoops , Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Green Earrings
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:29:05 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Babylon Sisters
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:28:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago
(posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Peg
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:28:20 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Haitian Divorce
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:27:59 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Walter's story during Hey 19 - something about 3 muskateers hats and handcuffs
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:27:11 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Hey 19
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:26:46 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Two Against Nature
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:24:44 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Bad Sneakers
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:22:57 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Great crowd. Godwhacker
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:22:14 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Sound is echoey.
TOOM crowd on its feet
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 22:21:18 ET
Posted by: Hoops, Chicago (posted thanks to Girl Margaret)
Set list for tonight's show!
Jeri
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 21:22:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
wormy - I wouldn't ask anybody for their autograph, it's kid stuff. But I did try to be one of the first 100 DF boxed set buyers, as you say, a less invasive way to acquire a memento of someone I admire.
As for dissecting a song, it's a personal proclivity and I'll defend anyone's right to do it, and to do it here, the most appropriate forum for it in fact. Ultra scrutiny can only kill a song that can't stand up to the musical and lyrical onslaught a good critic can bring to bear. Steely Dan songs don't have that problem. They're built four-square. Literary and musical criticism are long standing traditions in the Western World. There's a huge body of work out there. Check out a series of volumes on Shakespeare called the Variorum from 1871, the latest edition I believe came out in 1993, they dissect every arcane reference, every historical reference, everything, and there's a shitload of them in his 37 plays written in the late 16th century. You'd think people would have dissected everything the Immortal Bard wrote 400+ years ago.
Now where is that product I was promised by a certain date? Rhino or whomever has had my money for months, I have no product. That's bogus in any
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 20:46:20 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
In chat if anyone's interested.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 20:01:53 ET
Posted by: wormy, NOLA
any set changes with over a week off? doubt it
probably time to kiss the hubby and pay a few bills before the euro adventure
will the Dutch get Slang,
the aussies Black Friday?
Rajah - there is only one celebrity in heaven
in my book hounding a guy who just gave his all verses paying him for an autographed copy is totally different
one obsessive, one less invasive
I agree that ultra scrutiny can kill a song
even the timeless dan canon
I've done my share of writing
see Ole's Fever dream excerpts
but the nit pickies details - too much my brother
coke can satire or not
we know someone in 2000 who paid over $200 for the honor
I ask for useful stuff like a pick or setlist
cheers
wt
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 18:11:33 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Raj thanks for the heads up on the cupcakes, very cool. They haven't patented them perhaps the next tour, eh. I make a wicked cream cheese icing.
The thing about the Dan for me is my body wants to listen to it. My legs walk me over to the cd/dvd player, my fingers push the open button, my eyes scan the title, and my brain either accepts or rejects. Then the tune starts and my ears experience great pleasure and the rest of my muscles decided that it's time to start swinging.
It's just that simple.
Fife
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 17:22:35 ET
Posted by: Kay Katso,
RE: "Does anyone know the story behind the awful synth sax on the Countermoon outro? Can't figure out why someone who hates synths so much would use it."
Answer: That's DF soloing at the end of "Counterspoon".
In the CD liner notes he credits Illinois E. (a contrived pseudonym)for the solo.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 17:14:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah, shit I forgot the best part
So stalking Donald for an autograph is bad form . On the other hand PAYING him for it on the Fagen boxed set is...what?
And why the thing I paid for and agreed to receive by a certain date being "pushed back" a month or two? As a de facto contract, I'd say we're all due monetary damages or some other remedy. How about he bungs all his solo outtakes on a fifth CD? I'd take that. As it is, I feel marginalized by the delay.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 17:05:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
fyi - Just so you know, I never thought Don's Coke can was worth anything. Perhaps a remedial course in satire would be in order.
Wondering why we analyze and re-analyze Steely Dan. Is it because their work actually holds up very well under the closest of scrutiny? The reason we play the songs over and over is allied closely to this...is my theory. And just like an unexamined life is not worth living, as the saying goes, an unalalyzed song is not worth listening to. ...is my theory.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 16:56:40 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/
Not to plug Mizar5, just to show you some of Michael Leonhart's own stuff AND the flyer for his Paris gig. Feel free top copy and spread around with your croissants, baguettes and French Kissing on Main Street :-)
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/leonhartparis.jpg
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 15:13:07 ET
Posted by: slick coon ass territorally senile, Arr Kansas White House
scats on the blue
he's harmless and means no ill will
he just thinks you guys over anal ize things SD too much here
steely dan this, steely dan that
there's plenty of other good music
you rob the joy when you look at it under the scope too closely too often
tangentially dan music is not necessarily great either
and fyi - Don's coke can ain't worth anything
nor should you stalk him for an autograph
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 14:48:33 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Don Breithaupt: Finished your book some time ago, but never got around to post anything. Here goes: It was absolutely fabulous and the best I've read on the Dan. As others have said, everything seemed fresh and new, and at was really surprising to relize how much I did not know.
I especially liked the music theoretically parts of it, and your argument that i doesn't make sense to analyze the Dan without harmonic analysis. You didn't do to much, kept it interesting and you've certainly made me listen in a different way to. (Especially on the Ebmaj7 in Black Cow!)
Your explanation as to why so many crack players had trouble with Peg was also enlightning. Due to the major chords in the blues structure. So simple, yet so complicated (for the players). Great.
My only criticism: It was way to short. I know the format for the book sets certain limitation, but I was left with the feeling, that you could go on for much longer. I really hope you get the opportunity to write something on the topic some other time!!
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 13:06:00 ET
Posted by: Chris , nh
I'm not too familiar with Elton John but I must say that Rocket Man and Tiny Dancer are damn fine pop songs. They're wonderfully constructed. Cheesy, definitely, but classic pop music.
Also, Fagen and Becker are right up there with Lennon and McCartney IMO. The latter will be remembered longer, but the former has a much, much better signal:noise ratio, and they do pretty well on their own too, unlike Lennon/McCartney.
Listened to Kama and The Nightfly straight through today on a long drive... does anyone know the story behind the awful synth sax on the Countermoon outro? Can't figure out why someone who hates synths so much would use it.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:37:56 ET
Posted by: angel,
Don Breithaupt: Finally got Aja (33 1/3) and read it. I am not musical enough to understand most of the technical stuff, but I learned a whole lot about other things and enjoyed the read. Thanks for sheding new light on the subject of Steely Dan.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:36:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I guess that makes the Doobies gay. This is worse than I'd ever imagined...what next?
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:20:13 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Bill: Almost there...yes, Skunk did some recording with EJ....
but when Skunk was with the Doobies, EJ unexpectedly walked on stage at their Manchester gig and started to jam with them .....the crowd went wild.
Ah.....sweet memories!
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:13:17 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
I used to have a young and obnoxious tomcat and, whenever he wanted to get the attention to which he felt entitled, he used to pee on the floor, the furniture and anything else he could find until we took notice of him.
He didn't seem to care that the attention he got was pretty negative (i.e. shouting etc) just so long as he was the focus of everyone's attention.
Question:
Does this sound in any way familar? LOL
PS
Once he was neutered, he was fine. Interesting eh?
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:09:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yo, Fiona, check out these cupcakes:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monsterpants/sets/72157594477528312
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:02:01 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Ann I think if your read some of the earlier posts the answer is there. What is SD opened for EJ in the early seventies?
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 12:00:44 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Skunk. He toured with EJ, maybe recorded with him, not sure. Hoops would know.
>but is there anyone out there who can say what the tentative link is between Elton John and Steely Dan........
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:40:02 ET
Posted by: Ann, Still in Borneo
Brain Strainer:
No prizes on offer except the prestige of getting it right.....but is there anyone out there who can say what the tentative link is between Elton John and Steely Dan........
:-)
Ann
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:36:33 ET
Posted by: GRECO,
Do u think we'll hear Pretzel Logic tonight?
Never been played live in Chicago
Saw DF last year did his encore only 1 song skipped Pretzel Logic.
Thoughts?
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:30:49 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
UNCLE Albert. :X
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:29:36 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Some of you need to chill out. Yes, I don't like Elton John, but so what? A lot of people don't. I find it amusing how so many people feel the need to rush to this man's defense against my opinions, usually by resorting to personal insults and vulgarity, which is pointless because I could care less what you have to say about me -- you don't know me.
I liked some of McCartney's earier stuff solo and with the Wings. Haven't heard his newest except for soundclips on Amazon. The first half of Mr Albert is so good:
We're so sorry (CMaj over D)
Uncle Albert (DMaj)
But if (Gm7 in 2nd inv. over G) anything should happen (C in 2nd inv. over C, moving entire form up half-step to C#, then D)
We'll be sure to give a ring
(Arpeggio)
G bass, D, up to F, up to C, down to E w/ bass moving up to C.
Also, he wrote the greatest pop Christmas song ever with Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time. Great stuff.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:26:30 ET
Posted by: nwk, dishes dishes dishes
Yep, Bobbo. Thx Rodney Crowell is a prince. Thx. Gonna play somethin of his right here right now. nwk
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:22:47 ET
Posted by: DR WU, WEST OF WU
Question
Who is 'SCATS" over on the yellow ?
Why does he bash the BLUE and act self important
as if he's superior in some way
and by the way
Never going back to the yellow
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:11:31 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Don't like Elton either, but carefull with the anachronisms.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 11:10:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You people are demented, please keep it up.
How cool was Ringo on the TV last night? He also looks great for 67 years old. Meanwhile Macca is starting to look like his Aunty Gin. When they held hands, it touched my cold cold heart.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 10:45:35 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Hey leave that red-haired chick alone!!
Hey Man,
Elton John's a pioneer. And I dig, maybe, three double handfulls of his tunes...why so insulting to such an influential artist, dude? And I've seen him live twice, on the tours with Billy Joel, and yeah--in a retroactive sense, he rocks ass.
Your tirade was almost like my great friend and brother in melody stating once that "Jimmy Buffett music sucks." Ouch! I guess what I mean is that a half-assed "...in my opinion" does wonders for a statement like that...makes a little room for dummies like me, who in fact really, really dig Buffett...and Elton John. Sorry, but that's just me, y'know.
So, I guess a little Rodney Crowell or Foster and Lloyd or Bob Welch or Supertramp (to name a very small sample of what I've got in the old wmp) is just unspeakably "bad"? 'Cause in my opinion, there's an edge and a cleverness and a certain singular novelty in ARTISTS WHO CRAFT AND CREATE AND PERFORM THEIR OWN MATERIAL, brother. But I'm only a singer, y'know...Take it easy on the IKB factor, huh? Jeez...
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 10:15:23 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - but not for long!
Steve, London:
You asked if you'll enjoy our boys? Is the Pope a Catholic?
You would have to be a deaf mute not to! Very few around here saw them first time around, which I was lucky enough to experience. I have to say that the difference for me this time around is that the guys have mellowed (hey! We're talking about a 33 years time span, so that's inevitable!) so there isn't the raw energy around like in '74. Having said that, there aren't the egos either, nor the super-cool-aloof-slickness that operated then (or was that all just a cover-up for near panic-stricken nerves - I suspect!!). For me, the boys are much more comfortable in their own skins and being up there on stage now, not obsessional about getting it "just like the recording". They're confident in their stuff and the band is superb, so if you don't get up and sing-along and have a really good night, I'll eat my knickers!
....and as for me....I'll be on my way on Friday evening, heading westwards 9,000 miles to that tiny island where our boys will also soon be landing. Sorry Steve, pressures of time and money have forced me into selling my London tix, but I'll be there in full force at the Birmingham and Liverpool shows. I'll miss my sisters-in-Dandom,LWO and GM. Hey girls, wish you were with me, but maybe next year! (Got to keep positive about that one!)
Bye y'all and I'll keep you posted about the UK gigs as they happen.
Peace to all,
Ann,
Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei....but soon to be in Bolton, Lancashire
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 09:36:16 ET
Posted by: Nwk, right XM Cafe Channel 835 here
Right, George, thx for heads up. Live Dan on 9:34 EST XM Cafe
(Modern adult alternative music). No description of program or ID Gaslight . . .
Made my miserable day better. Thx again; now I can clean under this couch. later
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 09:32:42 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
Nice Beatles reunion on Larry King Live
but why is Mr King asking such lame - o questions
Paul as always trying to look cool
that walk past the cameras - please
Olivia Harrison - there is one fine classy woman
Ringo - some stellar stuff
McCartney has more musical talent than Don and Walt
but his self critique is just not there
albums in the last two decade that Mac did with any merit
Flowers In The Dirt, bits of Flaming Pie, Devil May Run (old rockabilly) yada yada in the Backyard was mellow but nice, Driving Rain
I agree he needs a producer / collaborator that will level with him
and make him kick out another classic
the new one really sucks - poor writing
insisting on a one man in the studio band when he has a stellar touring outfit
lyrics - really bad
one song contains...
when I die I want people to tell stories and laugh ... really
the guy is screwing with his nearly untouchable legacy
stop
no jazz cat in their mid 60's acts like that
memory almost full
tank nearly empty is more like it
is there gas in the car?
no, no gas in the car
would love to book a last minute Chicago flight
take in that or Wisconsin
but I will be good
seeing the Police, front row center in New Orleans saturday night
auction tickets, but when you factor out rental car, flight, hotel
it wasn't too bad monetarily
my son's first real rock concert
he's been to many a jazzfest setting
cheers from the topsoil
~ worm tom ~
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 09:25:58 ET
Posted by: Newark, Fly By
He's mine, Ravin'--go back to your branch or next door or something.
First, Elton John is a hotty because he is hot AND your energy seems attracted to his the crossroads region of the body because that is where your energy is. Elton John's superior attire has always been superior because he dresses good. Your entire wardrobe is made up of clothes that you wear because you wear them. Nonethetheless, your strong need to win here is strong, and you shouldn't negate beating Elton with your penis envy. Can you argue the fact that EJ's discovered the cure for baldness and can sing wearing a tiny thong? Granted his hissy fits are for your ear alone--heard from all the way around the world. God help you the means to rid the knight from your psyche. And buddy? you aren't making yourself look good by your putdowns of others. Get rid of that rusty load, dude, and genuflect for mercy. I do on a regular basis because I do so regularly. Try it. Nwk
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 09:23:35 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
It's 8:23 central time, and there's a SD concert on XM 45 right now. Don't know how much is left.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 08:12:45 ET
Posted by: Newark, Stopped Traffic
If I didn't have a thumper right now, I'd fix all that is wrong with the world. Hmmm. I'm almost inspired by my own fuckups. nwk
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 06:54:04 ET
Posted by: Eric B,
Lizard
Is it the Doors?
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 06:46:53 ET
Posted by: And a beotch that can't spell "teats"? , Hey now...
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 05:11:37 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Scouser:
Your insightfulness is exceeded only by your illiteracy and Mr McCartney's mediocrity. LOL
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 04:32:13 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
Stelly Dan ie DF and WB . DF and WB ie Stelly Dan. Can only dream they had the talent Paul Mac has on a bad day. You pepole are out of your minds.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 04:22:16 ET
Posted by: Don Rumsfeld, one other thought
Also, to the north, south, east and west of the unknowns are knowable unknowns, but as of yet still unknown except for their specific locations.
Kid Charlemagne is about me and my drugs. There will always be gas in my car.
Love, and death too,
Donald Rumsfeld
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 04:16:06 ET
Posted by: Don Rumsfeld,
"There is the known, and the unknown and what is in between are the _________s"
What is inbetween? The "known unknowns" of course.
Thanks for quoting me on the blue.
Date: Wed, June 27, 2007, 00:42:41 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Hi Hannes,
Thanks for your kind words regarding my Aja book, and congratulations on your thesis. I only wish I could decipher your German text (and, given the origins of my surname, you'd think I could!). Glad to hear our points of view overlap...
Don
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 23:51:37 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Raven, Black Locust Branch, had this to say to me: "Elton John? What the fck is this about Elton John? Man, how can you not dig his collaborations--and that wicked Davey Johnstone? Listen, MF, shut the fck up until you know what the fk you're talking about. In your honor, Mike fuckup from CT, I'm gonna play Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding and dream of plucking out your eardrums and eyeballs and barfing them on you later. Maybe you should try for a grant or apply where they have relaxed admissions. Gads! the contamination! Stop already. I'll be waiting for you tonight in the green, say 10 EST? I'll save my rot gut throw up for you then."
Elton John does indeed suck. I think he's a pompous asshole. Witness, for example, his little temper tantrum last year when he arrived in South Korea. Or how about when he said that Jethro Tull couldn't write a hit song, and then they proved his sorry ass wrong? This is the same guy who wrote some of the most cheesy-ass, played out songs on classic radio (Rocket Man, Crocodile Rock, et al.). Talk about a lesson in how to suck. His entire catalog is worthless, his piano playing is uninspired, his voice is annoying, and, to make matters worse, he even looks annoying and dresses like a freak. "Sir" Elton John? I think not. Deuchbag Elton John? Precisely. Just like Madonna and countless others, he's a total media creation -- that is, he remains popular only because the media keeps him in the spotlight despite the fact that he sucks. That's the only reason; it's definitely not because his sorry ass can write a good song. He's just living off his past glory.
Enjoy Fall Out Boy as well? Their 15 minutes of fame are fast expiring and then they'll soon join the ranks of countless other Z-grade artists like Hootie & The Blowfish, Hanson, and so on because their music SUCKS. Think anybody is still going to be listening to the garbage they put out today a couple of years from now?
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 23:46:44 ET
Posted by: The name's REMUS you stupid beotch,
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 23:22:13 ET
Posted by: Newark, Jamming in the moonlight midnight
"There is the known, and the unknown and what is in between are the _________s"
Ugh, after a late night of jammin' the answer is;
"Romulus and Ramis's teet s?"
Damn gimme the lanolin. Nwk
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 22:39:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
GM, that was an awesome newsletter from Krantz, thank you.
Bob, I wasn't tryin to rag on you, ma Southern brotha from anotha Motha, with my Dr. Hook joke, but what I do sense is you have a gift for connecting things on a deeper level with other things that inform you. In this case,a much darker level. That's a great intuitive girt. Me, I always thought of Kid Charlemange being about much more of the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemange than Owsley. Until I was dissuaded by the denizens of Blue that it was about the LSD champion, Owsley. And pardon me if I offer that Kid C spins off a certain manic vibe of getting things packed up and dispatched, much like, as I iterated, the last scene of Goodfellas. An urgency. In the case of the Tate-LaBianca murders, an horrific urgent dispatch of ultimate psychotic display. Charles Manson heard the song "Helter Skelter," and trurned it into his own crazed mantra. In that sense, I agree the songs bear similar tone. And your interp is just as valid as the rest. Now stop scaring me and let's move on, shall we? Your dark muses are not without precident, dear friend.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 21:48:36 ET
Posted by: Krantz post, .
That was a high on the tangentially Dan to ink ratio.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 19:53:47 ET
Posted by: Lizard King,
All this gibberish about Elton, Macca et. al., feh...
Whether you are old enough to know, or otherwise wise
Before there was the Dan. And what led some of us to the Dan. And the band from which the Dan formulated its style, you can complete this sentence:
"There is the known, and the unknown and what is in between are the _________s"
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 19:28:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Wayne Krantz is leaving 55 Bar!!!!!!!!!
Dear WK e-list People,
This Thursday, June 28th, will be my last regular Thursday night gig
at the 55 Bar in NYC.
A long piece about my time there and what it has meant to me:
I think I started playing there in 1987, a few years after I had
moved to New York. Back then it was still just a place for hardcore
boozers and drug dealers, some of them lost souls, others just taking
a temporary break from life. It was a lot funkier then but still had
a warm feeling to it. You knew it was going to be a good place to
play and there was already some good music happening there - the
first thing I heard there was Leni Stern with Larry Willis, Harvie
Swartz and Paul Motian. It was wild, seeing really good stuff in such
shabby surroundings. It was an artistic thing to do, very New York. I
was attracted to it right away.
The first gig I had there was in another edition of Leni's band. We
played there Sunday nights for 4 years with lots of different
combinations of bass players and drummers. I had been playing with
Carla Bley's Sextet too, but that was all on the road. Through the
Sunday night gig at 55 I got on the scene in New York as a sideman,
which led to lots of subsequent gigs with all kinds of people. The
owner of the club at that time, Peter Williams, used to like to say -
arrogantly - that I learned how to play at the 55. I don't know about
that, but I did learn a lot about playing there, no question. This
was at a time when the audience - what little we had - was either
falling off the barstools drunk or holed up in the bathroom
conducting/consummating business transactions.
I met Zach Danziger and Lincoln Goines on those gigs and they became
my first band in NYC. We started doing gigs at the club sometime
around the making of the "Long To Be Loose" record. Mike Stern had
already been playing 55 for some years and we subbed for him
sometimes. I remember all the bleary-eyed regulars silently staring
at us as we tried to perform this difficult music that nobody had
ever heard before. But we were able to play there pretty often and
the audience started to pick up a little. It was still bad enough in
there that you couldn't stay during the breaks - we were doing 3 sets
at the time. You had to leave the club and go across the street to
the coffee shop or go insane from the smoke and the patrons.
Around 1992 or 3 in noticed a guy sitting directly in front of the
band fiddling around with some headphones. I asked him what he was
listening to. "You", he replied. It was Marc Bobrowsky, chiropractor/
taper/music fanatic, who ended up being the archivist for that first
period of the band. His tapes were subsequently used for 2 Drink
Minimum and Greenwich Mean, the first 2 records I made at 55. Around
this time the audience had started to grow and I asked the owner -
who was never there - for a regular night. "You don't do any
business", he growled. We realized at that point that the bartender
had been leaving every night with most of the cash register in his
pocket. The owner was grateful enough for the discovery to give me a
regular Thursday night.
I went on the road for a year in 1996 and when I returned in '97 the
Thursday thing continued in earnest. I was using different people on
the gigs: Zach, Lincoln, Paul Socolow, Rocky Bryant, James Genus and
Tim Lefebvre. Keith Carlock had just moved to town and was bugging me
about playing, so I got together with him and Lefebvre and it seemed
like it might work for the funkier thing I was hearing at the time.
That began the second real band I had at the 55 and it continued for
6 years.
When Queva Lutz took over the bar in 2001 we thought the place was
finished. We couldn't imagine that it could continue the way it had.
A place where you could play anything you wanted, as loud as you
wanted to, where it wasn't too expensive, where the room sounded
pretty good and was easily accessible in NYC? No, not in these modern
times. But we were wrong. Queva made a few sharp changes that we
wondered about, but ended up making the place better. Mike, Leni and
I kept our regular nights, Dave Binney started a regular night, and
suddenly everybody wanted to play there. It went from being sort of a
laughingstock place to play into being one of the few really cool
places left to play anywhere in NYC and beyond.
There are so many things to say about those times - so much great
music happened, so many great people became regulars and irregulars,
so many things felt great, and hurt, and were inspiring, and were
depressing. Lots of things played out there, good and bad. Some
random memories: the gig we played there a few days after 9/11 was
unique. It had all just happened right down the street and we were
playing defiantly, like, "Oh yeah? Take this...". The audience was
perfect that night. The nights that Carlock, Will Lee and Donald
Fagen played were exciting. One night when Will was on the gig,
Donald came in with Walter Becker. I asked Will how many times, in
all the years he'd been playing in NYC, had Steely Dan come to hear
the gig? "Never before", he acknowledged, as I nodded, smugly. Lots
of great musicians have come down over the years, a few great actors,
some great athletes. One night some guys from the Yankees came down
with the band Chicago, who I initially failed to recognize, mistaking
them for more Yankees. When Jason, the bass player, started talking
to me about the bass, I asked him," Which base do you play for the
team?".
The only significant thing that ever came out of the club business-
wise was the night Jed Williams, the great promoter from Wales, came
in. He liked what he heard and hired us to play his festival, which
led to a good amount of touring in the UK and France. Other than
that, the 55 seemed to operate in a universe separate from that of
the press, labels, managers, and all the other people that are
generally responsible for making music more widely known to the
world. I've wondered about their absence from a gig that generates
obvious lines around the block - how could they continue to miss
that, year after year? Or simply reduce it to a few snappy lines
occasionally in the weekly listings? The truth is, I never did
anything to generate any business presence there. It seemed wrong,
somehow, like it wouldn't fit, wouldn't be appropriate - so I must
take some responsibility for the dead-end quality of the club in
terms of the music business in general.
At the same time I maximized what the club could provide in terms of
my own business, waynekrantz.com. I made 4 records there: 2 Drink
Minimum, Greenwich Mean, Your Basic Live and Your Basic Live '06, and
sold thousands of downloads of sets recorded live at the club to
people from all over the world. The 55 became the center of my
professional life in a significant way, in addition to the other
musical things I've been involved with over the years.
Since 2003 I've played with a stable bunch of great people there.
Aside from Carlock and Lefebvre, I've played most consistently with
Anthony Jackson and Cliff Almond, who became essentially the 3rd
version of my band at the club. Lincoln Goines, Ari Hoenig, Paul
Socolow and James Genus also were pretty regular, and that period is
well documented on the most recent CD. Basically, things are going
great at the 55. The gig is more widely known about than ever, thanks
to 10+ years of word of mouth. So why stop now?
The aforementioned Jed and Queva have died, meaning that two of the
most significant people I've worked with out of that club are gone
now. That has left a big hole for me.
As I've said, I feel I've maxed out the place. I can't fit any more
people in there, I can't sell more records/downloads from there, I
can't take that room any further than I have, without the thing just
blowing up. No more energy can fit into the place.
I'm hearing a louder thing these days...I need bigger rooms, with
stages and and sound systems to pull it off.
I'm too comfortable there. I need some new discomfort to move forward.
It has been 10 years of every Thursday in that little place. I think
that's enough.
What now? Other gigs. other places, other music. Growth, hopefully.
This list will continue to be kept updated about things. As always,
feel free to remove, etc.
Finally: I am grateful, moved, surprised and proud of all the energy
that the musicians, the staff and, most of all, the audience have put
into all those nights down there, for all those years. We
accomplished something there together, something outside easy words
and platitudes. At its worst, it was worth being a part of for what
it could be. At its best, it was worth being a part of for what it
was: an expression of genuine human spirit, vulnerable, curious,
celebrating and, most of all, loving. There's really no other way to
talk about it.
hope to see you soon, somewhere -
WK
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 19:13:35 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah -
I sense you are growing weary of my persistence re KC's interpretation...not to worry, I'm moving on. I do remain unconvinced that it is not equally Mansonesque in its leanings (what can I say except..."Southern-born, Southern-bred...thick in the arm, think in the head"). However, I will be checking out the Dr. Hook website soon..who were you talking to re that?...insult me directly as to not do so is an direct insult, uh...I think.
The way I figure it, getting roughed up here is the price of admission (i.e. you were getting rebored on Owsley and the bridges issue, right?).
OK...on to the next topic...
How come I never hear about the "concept album" orientation of Pretzel Logic. The tunes are about Bird (or his era) and the band is posed under a bird in the original gatefold inside photo.
That being said, where does the title tune fit in with the "concept"?
Keep it pithy!
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 18:51:10 ET
Posted by: Hutch,
I was talking to a friend of mine today and he told me he saw a Clint Black concert video where at the end of the show Clint got back behind the drums and then brought out a couple of extra sidemen. He started talking about how they all liked Country music a lot but they also liked a lot of other stuff. Then they played Josie!
This I gotta see.
Here's wishing Donald and Walter Godspeed as they soon head across the sea to Great Britain and Europe and beyond. Our brothers and sisters over there have waited a long while to see our heroes again and it's really great that this is indeed a World Tour. Especially happy for the folks in OZ and NZ who are finally getting a chance to experience the magic. For me it starts in that moment during the band's opening number when Walter and then Donald walk out on stage and the roar from the crowd surges. It just sends chills up the back of my neck and truly... tears to my eyes. I love these guys.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 18:24:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Too late for Paul and Elton to take an extended hiatus, they've populated all field with their gigantic output and they're ubiquitousness on concert stages worldwide. Think of pop writers like Stephen King and Anne Rice, next will be that tit Rowling, all of them produced till we puked.
Not so our Steely Dan, they always know when to leave the stage and the limelight (except for this tour of course), and retreat to their corners to reflect, recharge and reinvent. Their forte is at making records when the time is right.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 18:05:35 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, roof
OH, I forgot, Elton John? I fucked 'im.
(raspy, scruffy scooby doo laugh)
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 18:03:57 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, roof
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 17:50:20 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, Ruff ruff
Thx Hoops for your EJ contribution--of interest. Yea, there is a simply superb Grey Seal live on youtube.
Tonight at 9 EST on Larry King is supposed to be Sir Paul, Ringo and Olivia, yokono--of interest.
Raj: Yea, hear/tell of theory about the demise of talent/longevity in artistic output, which I think may be dog doo, but, agreed, what you say has been postulated--the talent fountain could have indeed dwindled for several noted artists. So my question is should these artists isolate themselves so as not to be influenced (or contaminated) or should they drink it all in and then try some mora in order to output something fresh and worthwhile?
Fifer, dittos on the piano allure. For moi, young and impressionable as I was, I recall Heartbeat as an early love and Gold Teeth II, but it was that "fuck" in Show Biz kids that really caught my fancy for it was such an un-heard word at the time in the media--a daring challenge on SD's part. Loved it! For me that was the first time I heard that word in any media, with the exception of some books. Hearing that word was an A-Ha! We have something here, don't tell the folks. Or, did he say that? Wow!
Wishin the band(s) lots of fun at these upcoming gigs. Brits: Yea, seems like 07-07-07 will be a cool time in UK. In London, there's that Tower Festival and SD and EJ gang up the road--all the same eve. Don't miss the Heavy Rollers 777, those in attendance will be very lucky indeed. SD will be off the leash for sure. 2dgs, Ferrocious animal--Woof
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 17:08:40 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" .. Things would indeed have been very different for Sir Paul had John been around. So many years later and that loss still puts a dagger in your heart. "
***** A - FRIGGIN - MEN !!!!!! *******
Rajah :
Please do not forget that Paul McCartney , Yoko , Ringo and Harrison's wife will be interviewed together this evening on LARRY KING LIVE .
Developing .........................
JJJJJoey !
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 17:02:52 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Based on pretty much all the other shows so far, Sam Yahel will start at just about 7:30 pm on the nose and will finish up at about 8:05 pm
Steely Dan will then take the stage at 8:30 pm or so.
Yahel for 35 minutes.
Break for 25 minutes.
Yes, I was involved with some Elton John reissues. Worked with his 70s (and mid 80s) producer, the late Gus Dudgeon on them. Never have met Elton John.
Talking about Elton John here on the Blue is like talking about Steely Dan in Elton John fan circles as if only "Do It Again," "Reelin'", and "Rikki" were the only Steely Dan songs that matter--with Rikki certainly being about Rick Derringer's phone number. Few will appreciate that I don't think some of what was listed in the posts below was his best work; nor will some appeciate what I have to say about his most recent albums. It's ridiculous to say he became "too gay" because obviously he pretty much always was gay in image. Just look at the "Scaps" book with "Captain Fantastic." However, Bernie Taupin and his lyrics are very clearly not gay. That's not the nature of the musical weaknesses in his lesser songs.
Rather, Elton can have a weakness where he gives into indulgence at the expense of integrity. For his best work, key players in his career have kept him steered towards a focus on the music. Most notably, Gus Dudgeon was and Bernie Taupin still is among those. More recently, Elton has become more enabled to do this for himself.
If you love the "Madman" and "Tumbleweed" albums, you will really like 2001's "Songs From the West Coast" which a sort of sequel. "Ballad of the Boy in the Red Shoes" is the entire "Madman" album musically--not lyrically--encapsulatedinto one song for instance. There are others on that album like that. His two more recent studio albums also contain tracks that stand up well along side the best of the early and mid70s albums. On those tracks he does try to recreate what he did in that period--and he largely succeeds. I'm thinking "Porch Swing in Tupelo," "Postcards From Richard Nixon" and "The Captain and the Kid." Superb song writing. I loathe musicals but his never-released demos for the Broadway musical "Aida" are also brilliant.
BTW: The liner notes in "Alive in America" slam Elton as you will remember. Of course, SD opened for Elton circa 1973-74. Heck, SD also was paired with Bowser. YoW!
Jim
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 17:01:15 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
There was a 15 min. intermission between acts. I would assume it will be the same. Look for a 8.30 pm Dan time.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 16:38:43 ET
Posted by: GRECO,
Didn't know about The Sam Yehal Organ Trio.
Thanks.
Showtime for tomorrow says 7:30pm
The Sam Yehal Organ Trio plys 45 minutes. How long does it take for them to set up SD?
Reason y i'm asking is that I'm taking the rail tomorrow and will be getting off from work late.
Thanks in advance
Greco
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 16:33:52 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, Outside The Palladium
RE: Don sounds like Prince on TIS: You know I always thought DF was affecting/copping Mick Jagger - esp. with those "ah, hahs" toward the end of the tune - Mick used those sounds toward the end of "Sympathy For The Devil".
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 16:14:27 ET
Posted by: DB, Hinktown
What is your thoughts on Elton John, Hoops? Weren't you connected with Elton's CD reissues or box set?
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:50:50 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
If the show starts at 8 pm, The Sam Yahel Trio play for 45 minutes and Don and Walt make their entrance at around 9 pm.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:48:38 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Oh yeah the instrument may not be made of flesh, muscle, or blood vessels.
(sorry about that eh) hehehehehehhehehe
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:45:47 ET
Posted by: GRECO,
Approximately, what time tomorrow will SD hit the stage?
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:38:23 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Funny Mr. Sam and I were just having this discussion on Sunday night. I was seriously into Mr. John when I was a younger teenager, 14-15, so I loved all his pop music but the one album I have bought many times over the years is "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy". It's the keyboards that do it for me on that album. It was keyboards that brought me to the Dan as well.
Here's a question if anyone cares to answer: What instrument was it that brought you to Steely Dan originally?
I love keyboardists but I always end up with guitariists. What the hell is that all about.
Fife
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:34:19 ET
Posted by: Paul Lynde,
As a nine bob note, Derwood. He made Marc Bolan look butch.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:23:12 ET
Posted by: Randall, At the Dude Ranch
Elton John is queer?
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:17:24 ET
Posted by: Dr. Ludwig von Drake,
Elton got too Gay zhere zomewhere arount Carribou, was it? Yah, shoulda stayed in derr klozet. Furry jacket and top hat, I ask you...
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 15:09:43 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Elton was damn good back in the early 70's. Love Lies Bleeding is a classic and Madman Across the water ranks right up there. So was Chicago about 4 years before Terry Kath's death. But, both sold out big time after that.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 14:58:23 ET
Posted by: Newark, Cripple Creek
That's Sir Elton John you roughewn, jealous bitch. Nwk
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 14:54:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I thought Mike was referring to Elton's last, ya know, 15-20 years or so. Now that stuff IS lame. Love Lies Bleeding was perhaps his most brilliant effort, Grey Seal wasn't too weak either. Like McCartney, he had one of the greatest runs of anybody but right now, today, as we speak, they couldn't pen a song worth beans.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 14:31:00 ET
Posted by: Raven, Black Locust Branch
Elton John? What the fck is this about Elton John? Man, how can you not dig his collaborations--and that wicked Davey Johnstone? Listen, MF, shut the fck up until you know what the fk you're talking about. In your honor, Mike fuckup from CT, I'm gonna play Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding and dream of plucking out your eardrums and eyeballs and barfing them on you later. Maybe you should try for a grant or apply where they have relaxed admissions. Gads! the contamination! Stop already. I'll be waiting for you tonight in the green, say 10 EST? I'll save my rot gut throw up for you then.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 14:25:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Philippe - Copy it over here in French when you get a chance and I'm sure we can figure it out somewhat. Grazie, Signore.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 13:49:37 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
Salut Philippe,
That's great! Happened to have visited Yvinek's myspace site the other day and listened to the song again. A True Bondage Tale, grin, Tie Me Up.
http://www.myspace.com/yvinek
"they say that......"
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 13:42:51 ET
Posted by: Philippe, France
Your attention please, I just read the july issue of Jazzmagazine, a French magazine about guess what, on page 55, there is the story of the day when Donald Fagen came in the studio where Michael Leonhardt and Daniel Yvinek were recording their soon to be released new album. Donald played and sang on it and the article describes from the mouth of Daniel Yvinek himself how the session went. Thrilling and funny. I'm sorry I don't have the time to translate it for you but maybe Gina or one of the folks who post from Paris sometimes will.
Bonne soirée
Au 10 juillet peut être
Philippe
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 12:30:08 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
TJ, you're right in that their stuff doesn't tend to be as dark as SD material does. Also, the soloing in SD, particularly their 70's material, is miles ahead of pretty much anything else. But then again, they're not SD Part II nor should they be.
Anywho, I hope that the honest criticisms leveled against EMG will be recognized by Don/Walt (e.g. too much sameness across tracks, drums and song styles need to have more variation, etc.). Whenever they're on break from touring, they're probably writing/conceptualizing together. Donald said that he had a box full of tapes of ideas he's recorded, so they could always draw from that. In a way, I feel as though a lot of SD songs sound like several different song concepts which are seamlessly blended together to form one thing, and that, aside from the arranging, is where a lot of the interest and complexity comes in.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 11:30:07 ET
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, noneofyourbusiness
WOW-I thought I was the only one that thought of Prince when listening to TransIsland Skyway.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 11:14:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Plus you never hear Paul refer to his musical influences. From listening to his stuff you get the impression he's never listened to a jazz record. Skiffle and English Music Hall, that's about it. Maybe some George Martin-inspired classical knock-off stuff. What's in his record cabinet? You can tell a lot about a person from their records and books. He never really changed or developed past, say, age 30. He is greatly beloved and is a natural showman and gifted at executing on a high level on many instruments. Maybe not drums though.
Things would indeed have been very different for Sir Paul had John been around. So many years later and that loss still puts a dagger in your heart.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 10:34:28 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
The major musical/creative problems with Macca are:
1) He has too much money
2) He has too much fame
3) He is too revered.
4) He reveres his own legend.
5) He hasn't a musical partner who is: a)his musical equal, b)provides (healthy?) competition and lastly, perhaps most importantly c)takes none of his shit and would tell him he has written shit when he hears it (aka Lennon).
Perhaps the biggest issue w/Macca musically that separates him BIG TIME from DF is: UNLIKE DF, HE HAS NOT INCREASED HIS MUSICAL SKILLS (DF NOW WRITES MOST OF THE HORN ARRANGEMENTS, PRACTICES PIANO DAILY AND TAKES VOAL LESSONS)OVER THE YEARS.BY ALL REPORTS HE CHOOSES TO CREATE OFF HIS NATUAL TALENT ALONE - IGNORANT AND UNINTELLIGENT MOVE, MACCA.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 10:07:05 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
Summerfest.com sent me an email offering Dan tickets at a $10 discount. Use the code "deacon".
Checked just for kicks, some decent seats coming up with the discount code but a little better seats coming up without it.
See ya there!!!!
KC
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 08:45:32 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Mer., Boston, thanks. 1/2 hour I will survive :-)
To Mike and everyone else:
I have listened to Kinjiri and without a doubt I can say, I have never listened to any other band that resembles Steely Dans musical language in so many ways. I encourage everyone to check it out!
I was of course sceptical, but was very surprised! The harmonic language is so Steely Dan in many of the songs that it's close to terrifying. However I would like to sum up why this might be a good alternative to the Dan, but still is no way near the Dan.
1. I don't understand Japanese, and therefore have no idea what the lyrics are about. The lyrical bite is so much part of SD as a contrast to the smooth music. Listening to Kinjiri doesn't in anyway give me that.
2. Donald's voice is unique. A common misunderstanding is that it doesn't suit the smooth music. That’s actually the point. The contrast is what makes it so exciting. The lead singer from Kinjiri is singing in tune, but that's about it.
3. As this is definitely great musicians, the playing in general seem somewhat anonymous. No killer drum grooves, no weird solos that only make sense after 20 listens. It simply seems to lack a personal touch all the way through. Dunno if that sort of uniform is part of Japanese culture (or is that a stereotype?)
4. The production is uninteresting, based on a simple jazz trio aesthetic. It's bright, clear and shiny, and you can hear everything going on, where as Steely Dan is all about the subtle long lasting production, where new instruments and structures constantly show up over time.
5. The tone in general is very cheery and feel god, and Kinjiri is based on the best of Steely Dans bright harmonic structures blended with some standard jazz turnarounds. Again I miss a dark, edgy contrast, and the darker part of SD's harmonic language. As you said, Mike, this is very immediate. True, but what I like about Steely Dan is that every time I listen to a new SD album, I end up totally confused and overwhelmed at the same time. It always takes at least five listens to really grasp the complexity. This I get too immediately.
This is absolutely the best attempt to duplicate SD I've heard, and definitely worth a listen. But it still seems it's just a copy of the real thing. Kinjiri have definitely studied the Dan, but to be able to transform that into compositions is still impressive, and I'm really fascinated with the harmonic structures of a lot of the songs, though my preliminary conclusion is that it's lacking the darker side. But still listening…
Bottom line: tjeck it out!
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 08:35:49 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
To TJ- Sam Y. on the first night in Boston played for about 1/2hr. before the show. They have a nice jazz-funk style, which was a nice warm-up for the show, but too bad (for them) since they really seemed to become background music for the venue. This is just from my perception anyway. The audience gave polite applause, but most I think were really there for SD.
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 03:36:18 ET
Posted by: Newerkes, P.A., Dark Sidewalk
http://www.youtube.com/user/carlospc
Doses
Date: Tues, June 26, 2007, 01:04:10 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The latest Strainer was:
"One example is the seemingly breakthrough "original" "Brite Nitegown" which IS derived from a previous tune in the Fagen Trilogy. Name that tune."
Like many Danfans I was floored when I had my first listen to "Morph". It was, for the most part a real departure from prior work, particularly the title cut. "Brite Nitegown" was immediately the best cut for me, I thought it to be totally ground-breaking, powerful shit--you'd almost have to go back to "Green Earrings" or "The Fez" for that sort of punch, or possibly "Gina". As a Prince fan, I too saw it as a nod to the Purple 1.
Later that spring, a buddy of mine invited me and the spouse out for a cruise in his 1957 Ford with a retractable roof. I thought it would be cool to pop in "Kamakiriad", because that funky car put me in mind of the Kamakiri. It was then, listening to Kama for the first time in quite a while that the non-derivative "Brite Nitegown" bubble was burst for me, so to speak. Kinda like waking up in the middle of the night, seeing your parents assembling toys and finding out there is NO Santa. I still enjoy it, nonetheless.
From the responses I thought "Countermoon" was interesting, hadn't considered it. But after giving it a spin or two there is a Countermoon component to the song in question, particularly that intro and its proximity to the tune in question on Kama. The record kinda builds up on the first 3 cuts. Countermoon is a bit slower, but I can detect some sonic effects where where that could be considered. Most, not all, of these SD/Fagen songs are made up of pieces. You can have up to four or five songs, mu chords etc. thrown in there. But in most cases an underlying song in prior their prior work that predominates.
If you tone down the funk of "Brite Nitegown", which is a song without a real chorus (several sequential verses, THEN a refrain that goes on WAY too long towards the end) and remove the dirge-y keyboards you will realize that "Trans-Island Skyway" was the template from which "Brite Nitegown" was derived. The falsetto is used on the verse on "Nitegown" and in the chorus on "Trans Island" which is the most obvious tip-off. But that alone would not necessarily connect them.
Gus Winterbottom of California was first with the correct answer.
EPILOGUE: "Trans Island Skyway" (1992) WAS indeed actually the first (falsetto)nod by Fagen to Prince, if you wish to believe it. And it fits in chronologically on the heels of the Purple 1's peak period from around 1983-1990.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 22:30:31 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Nah, no aswer from me. The only SD/DF album I have out is Morph The Cat and that's going to be put away with the others soon. I didn't even realize I was participating in SD quiz game. :P
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 22:24:01 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Mike of CT- So no FINAL answer? If not, that's cool. For a while there I thought you were gonna come out with some outlier that was off the charts.
The answer on the News @11...
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 22:05:31 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
I meant "...off Kamakiriad." Sorry for the double-post.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 22:00:09 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
I don't know for sure but I do recall one or two songs off of Nightfly sounding similar, at least as far as vocals are concerned. (I keep all the songs I want to listen to on my PC; I like Florida Room, Snowbound and Tomorrow's Girls the most off Kamakiriad, thus, they're on my PC. And yes, I do have a stereo system.)
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 21:47:53 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Before I reveal the answer to the latest Strainer:
"One example is the seemingly breakthrough "original" "Brite Nitegown" which IS derived from a previous tune in the Fagen Trilogy. Name that tune."
I would like to give everyone one last chance, particularly Mike of Connecticut, who gave an intriguing but indefinite response.
Mike of CT, if you are still out there, why do you believe the song is on Kama (could be Nightfly?) and what do you believe are prior Fagen "Prince-esque" songs that you alluded to. Your answer was interesting, but in order for anyone to "win" (:P it has to be nailed down to A song, or rationale for multiple guesses. In the past alternate answers popped up not previously considered.
We all might find out something new from the responses so far, and in one case we already have.....
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 21:32:01 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Deacon, no offense taken.
TJ, you didn't mention what you thought of it. (?)
The current discussion is dull. No offense intended.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 21:27:29 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
"I Only Have Eyes For You" was in fact the song I chose for my first dance with my new bride at our wedding. I had always thought the sentiment would be perfect for this. Almost 19 years later, the sentiment still rings true.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 21:04:48 ET
Posted by: holycats, right here, right now
So does this add or subtract from the old vs. new discussion going on hereabouts?
I don't know, but I just went to the store to pick up a bottle of kirschwasser and what am I serenaded with as I stroll past the bulging Cuervo Gold endcap? What else but the muzak version of Bad Sneakers. They were also out of retsina.
What's this world coming to?
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 20:58:31 ET
Posted by: Paul's feces,
Chris wrote "Sure, he's Paul McCartney, but that doesn't give him a free pass to write shit."
Of course it does, silly. What planet are you from?
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 19:25:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah, stick a fork in him
He's done. Paul has nothing left to say, add him to the scrap heap of played out old rockers.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 17:21:37 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Joey, couldn't agree more ... the first song's lyrics sounds like something a 5 year old would write ("everybody goanna dance tonight/everybody goanna feel alright/everybody goanna dance around tonight"). Sure, he's Paul McCartney, but that doesn't give him a free pass to write shit.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 17:15:47 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" New McCartney "Memory Almost Full"
hyped as best since Band on the Run
more like "Tank nearly Empty"
avoid at all costs
thought his great touring would have helped, nadda "
Bless You !
I almost picked this disc up at the Barnes & Noble Cafe'
** WHEW !! **
Joey
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 17:12:31 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
And come to that, what in the blue blazes is an Organ Trio???
Keep it clean, please folks...
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 17:02:03 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Im so tired of opening acts! Whats the point? I buy a ticket to a show I wanna hear, then don't push something on me I don't want just because the ticket is way to expensive. It doesn't make it any better... Don't think I've ever been to a show thinkin' "hey, that opening act was really worth the time and money".
But since Sam Y is the current state of affairs, what's it like and for how long do they play?
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 16:24:32 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Hey mike,
Forgive me my impulsive reaction. i know you're mean it good. In fact, i was just the same know it all guy at your age.
It's good to have a selfmade opinion.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 16:23:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
What was really embarassing is when she drank the thing down after getting it. Shocking behavior from an otherwise dignified lady when not in proximity to the apparently divine Mr. Fagen.
And then the other lady there who didn't get it turning to her exclaiming, "you're such a lucky girl." Madness. I have the dernd-blasted relic here...hmmm...now, where's that number for eBay...
I'll be entertaining all reasonable offers.
"One slightly dented Coca-cola can from which noted musician Donald Fagen embibed onstage during the Steely Dan Irvine Meadows Concert, summer 2006. No provenance available at this time but several witnesses could be called upon to aver as to its genuineness."
I bet you'll get more for the Clint Black thing.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 16:22:53 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood, soon to be Chicago
Ticketmaster has some good seats for Wednesday nights. I just picked up one in row C.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 16:18:25 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...it looks like Sam Yahel is added for the non-festival dates, with Berlin and Lucca to be determined...
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 16:15:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...SD.com UPDATE:
Sam Yahel added to MANY European dates!
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 15:36:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B., Another thing in common with Rajah
Thanks to Gretchen
From hearing how Gretchen grabbed Donald's soda can last year after a show...my Betty did the same thing after a Clint Black show last weekend( except it was tea in a bottle) Great show I must add
I know now the shame Rajah went through
Such good examples are the Ladies of the Blue.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 15:02:03 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Ipod Chronicles
Don Breith ... (can't remember the rest, no offense intended):
Re: Too Shy
Nadir? Didn't he run for president or something? Got that lazy eye thing going? Just joshin' with ya. I know what you mean. I just like the bass line for the first 20 seconds. After that, I shut it off.
Re: I Only Have Eyes for You
Great observation. If I ever get married, that song will be played at my wedding. In fact, I'd probably choose the DJ hopefuls by inquiring as to whether they even know what I'm talking about it if I ask for that tune. Conversely, if any of them lists "We Are Family" as one of their wedding event standards, then not only will they not get the gig, but I will arrange for their summary execution in the parking lot.
Other songs I listened to on the road this weekend form the same Ipod (besides all of my Steely Dan regulars ranging from Any Major Dude to Fagan's New York Rock and Sould Revue of Chain Lightning): Every Day I Write the Book (Elvis Costello), I'm Alright (Kenny Loggins), Take a Picture (Filter), and Black Velveteen (Lenny Kravitz).
The Original LG
(And by that I mean not Lisa G)
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 13:16:12 ET
Posted by: DR WU, BISCAYNE BAY
Mike is young
Mike has opinion
we can disagree
we don't need to be profane
We can rib
We can have discourse
No need to become Yellowish
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 11:46:12 ET
Posted by: MR BELZONI, FUNWAY WEST
HEY BRUTUS,,, YOU SAID IT ALL.. CASE CLOSED !! SD IS THE BEST.. ALL ASPECTS CONSIDERED !
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 10:48:56 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Hutch:
Amen to all that from me too.
If you're right, it would certainly explain alot. LOL
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 10:45:31 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Re lawgator's iPod: I Only Have Eyes for You (The Flamingoes, 1959) is arguably the best doo wop ballad ever; Too Shy (Kajagoogoo, 1983), by contrast, was the nadir of the eighties -- and that's saying something. I can still smell the freakin' hairspray...
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 10:19:50 ET
Posted by: wormtom, nola
Mike
thanks for the breath of fresh air
this place is far too insular
'the dan can do no wrong' permeates
nice to hear other opinions
I recall getting ribbed for thinking the guys lost their upper end hearing when I heard the mastering of TvN
I do think there is some very enjoyable post 2yk work
and I'm glad different people see things different
The Dan have standards and expectations far beyond many artists
but there are some great newer nuggets
how Cousin Dupree got a best song grammy is far beyond logic
how Morph was dished last year more so
I found Carolyn's hubbies disc - live at Smoke
very tasty bop ish work
with a nice pairing of drums and vibes. sax
really nice
was expecting sugary jazz, glad I picked it up
so did they meet at Smoke?
lucky and talented guy
New McCartney "Memory Almost Full"
hyped as best since Band on the Run
more like "Tank nearly Empty"
avoid at all costs
thought his great touring would have helped, nadda
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 10:18:13 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, france
amen to that, Hutch.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 09:48:54 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
TJ, you've got mail -- that is, eight awesome songs. Too bad more people aren't open to exposure to this incredible music and would rather be close-minded, clinging tooth & nail to something just because of the name attached to it. DeaconBlues, sorry for pushing your buttons. Like yourself, I also love SD, difference being that I hold them to a higher standard than, say, EMG and will call a lackluster effort such if it seems like they're letting me down. Sorry that my honest opinion made you angry.
Two people got to hear the stuff. Anybody else want to? I'll check back later.
P.S. I'm looking forward to a new SD album in '08.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 09:21:44 ET
Posted by: Prince, Many Sota
Damn. That chorus on Trans Island Skyway DOES sound like me!!!
H
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 09:11:24 ET
Posted by: H,
Nite = Nitegown
(But we knew that didn't we)
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 09:08:09 ET
Posted by: Hutch, RVA
Mike's young. Young folks know the truth about everything and they're not shy about letting everyone know. I don't think many of the folks here have any objections at all if someone offers opinions that differ from the party line. It's when statements like, "Well, this song is CLEARLY inferior to blah-blah-blah". That's when personal opinion turns into arrogance and that's not a good thing.
Rajah - Sounds like Jon's playing the Tele on H Gang. That brite bridge pickup really screams! And when you take off the overdrive it's a Country picker's main weapon.
Strainer - The intros to Brite Nite and Countermoon are quite similar in structure.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 08:02:54 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Easy now, Deac :-)
I actually like someone with a different opinion, it sort of keeps the core base on it's feet forcing us to argue for our viewpoints.
Mike, I would like to hear some of your Japanese stuff, though I doubt the resemblance. After all, as Brutus C pointed out, its the combination of so many hard to achieve skills that make the Dan unique.
But try me!
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 07:27:38 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Well it seems we've got a new Mister know it all here on the Blue!!
One that is reinventing music. The guy that loves to be our teacher here on this forum.
So please, give a standing ovation for SUUPER MIKE.
West of Hollywood and Negative Girls weak songs??
My dear litlle and poor Disney Mickey, i'm afraid you've big shit in your ears.
So shut your mouth and leave this forum. It's actually for fans here.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 05:56:08 ET
Posted by: Steve, London
Some interesting stuff on here, much of it way over my head I'm afraid. I only wanted to ask one thing. I've got tickets to see SD in London in less than 2 weeks and it's fair to say that, despite my advancing years, I'm quite excited about it. It'll be my first time, despite being a fan of both old and new SD for over 35 years.
So, will I enjoy the show? Or is it doomed to be an anti-climax? (My wife thinks I should lower my expectations and, at the very least, play some other CDs between now and then!!)
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 04:42:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah you know nothing about Bear, Melissa was the real chemist you fool Bear was just the salesman
He has a hard enough time making home made yogurt how is he going to make LSD?
Bear's diet has not served him well. In recent years he has had a double bypass and stage 3 and 4 brain and throat cancer. He now must grind up all his food to get it down his throat and he still is complaining about how horrible vegetables and grains are for you and mocking anyone that does not do his meat chicken dairy diet.
I heard it all again last night for the 100th time while eating vegetables in his presence He is certainly not a picture of health and has yet to figure out "the diet" is going to kill him one of these days. One can not survive on chicken alone. I have seen him eat a fried green pepper once but that was the only vegetable I have ever seen him eat.
Not that the below info is correct either.
From Wikipedia
This article is about the LSD chemist and Grateful Dead soundman. For the politician, see Augustus O. Stanley.
Owsley Stanley (b. Augustus Owsley Stanley III, January 19, 1935, also known as Owsley or Bear) was an "underground" LSD chemist, the first to produce large quantities of pure LSD. His total production is estimated at around half a kilogram of LSD, or roughly 5 million 100-microgram "trips" of normal potency, although accounts vary widely. The widespread and low-cost (often given away free) availability of high-quality Owsley LSD in the San Francisco area in the mid-1960s may well have been indispensable for the emergence of the "hippie" movement in the Haight-Ashbury area, which the historian of that movement Charles Perry has described as "one big LSD party" and which has had continuing influence to this day in American society in terms of increasing tolerance for alternative perspectives and lifestyles. He was also an accomplished sound engineer, and the longtime soundman for seminal psychedelic rock band The Grateful Dead; the band's well-known "dancing bear" icon derives from his nickname, as he frequently printed the image on blotter sheets of LSD distributed at Grateful Dead concerts.[citation needed] He designed the massive "Wall of Sound" electrical amplification system used by the Grateful Dead in their live shows, at the time a highly innovative feat of engineering[1], and was involved with the creation of high-end musical instrument maker Alembic Inc.
Contents
[hide]
* 1 History
* 2 Diet
* 3 Musical references
* 4 External links
* 5 References
* 6 See also
[edit] History
Stanley's father was a government attorney, and his namesake and grandfather, Augustus O. Stanley, was a member of the United States Senate after serving as Governor of Kentucky. Stanley served in the U.S. Air Force for eighteen months from 1956-1958. Later, inspired by a 1958 performance of the Bolshoi Ballet, Stanley began studying ballet in Los Angeles, supporting himself for a time as a professional dancer. In 1963, Stanley enrolled at the University of California, Berkeley where he became involved in the psychoactive drug scene. He dropped out after a semester, took a technical job at KGO-TV, and began producing LSD in a small lab located in the bathroom of a house near campus. Stanley's makeshift laboratory was raided by police on February 21, 1965. He beat the charges and successfully sued for the return of his equipment. The police were looking for Methamphetamine, but found only LSD — which was legal at the time.
Owsley moved to Los Angeles to pursue the production of LSD. He used his Berkeley lab proceeds to buy 800 grams of Lysergic acid. His first shipment arrived on March 30, 1965. He produced 300,000 capsules (270 micrograms each) of LSD he dubbed "White Lightning" by May 1965 and then returned to the Bay Area.
In September 1965, Stanley became the primary LSD supplier to Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters; by this point Sandoz LSD was hard to come by and "Owsley Acid" had become the new standard. Stanley was featured (most prominently his freak-out at the Muir Beach Acid Test in November 1965) in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, a book detailing the history of Kesey and the Merry Pranksters by Tom Wolfe.
Owsley attended the Watts Acid Test on February 12, 1966 with his new apprentice Tim Scully and provided the LSD. Stanley met the members of the Grateful Dead in 1966 and began working with them (and financing them) as a sound man. Along with Bob Thomas, Stanley designed the Lightning Bolt Skull Logo, often referred to by fans as "Steal Your Face" or SYF (after the name of the 1976 Grateful Dead album featuring only the lightning bolt skull on the cover, although the symbol predates the namesake album by eight years). During this time he made numerous live recordings of the Dead and other leading San Francisco acts, including Jefferson Airplane, Old and In The Way, and Janis Joplin.
Owsley and Scully built electronic equipment for the Grateful Dead until late spring 1966. At this point Owsley rented a house in Point Richmond, California, and Owsley, Scully, and Melissa Cargill (Owsley's girlfriend who was a skilled chemist) set up a lab in the basement. Owsley and Scully developed a method of LSD synthesis which left the LSD 99.9% free of impurities. The Point Richmond lab turned out over 600,000 tablets (270 micrograms each) of LSD they dubbed "Purple Haze." LSD became illegal in California on October 6, 1966, and Scully wanted to set up a new lab in Denver, Colorado.
Scully set up the new lab in the basement of a house across the street from the Denver zoo in early 1967. Scully made the LSD in the Denver lab while Owsley tableted the product in Orinda, California. Owsley and Scully also produced a new psychedelic they called STP. STP was distributed in the summer of 1967 in 20mg tablets and quickly acquired a bad reputation. Owsley and Scully made trial batches of 10mg tablets and then STP mixed with LSD in a few hundred yellow tablets but soon ceased production of STP. Owsley and Scully produced about 196 grams of LSD in 1967, but 96 grams of this was confiscated by the authorities.
In late 1967 Owsley's Orinda lab was raided by police; he was found in possession of 350,000 doses of LSD and 1,500 doses of STP. Owsley's defense was that the illegal substances were for personal use, but he was found guilty and sentenced to three years in prison. A newspaper headline mis-identifying Stanley as an "LSD Millionaire" following his arrest inspired the Grateful Dead song "Alice D. Millionaire". The same year, Stanley officially shortened his name to "Owsley Stanley".
Of Leary, Stanley would later write, "Leary was a fool. Drunk with 'celebrity-hood' and his own ego, he became a media clown- and was arguably the single most damaging actor involved in the destruction of the evanescent social movement of the '60's. Tim, with his very public exhortations to the kids to 'tune in, turn on and drop out', is the inspiration for all the current draconian US drug laws against psychedelics. He would not listen to any of us when we asked him to please cool it, he loved the lime-light and relished his notoriety... I was not a fan of his." Leary himself, however, wrote the reverent essay "God's Secret Agent A.O.S.3" glorifying Stanley and the LSD manufacturers of the early psychedelic era; the essay appears in his 1965 book "Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out."
After he was released from prison, Stanley (1999 pic) went on to do more sound work for the Grateful Dead. Later, Stanley would work as a broadcast television engineer.
A naturalized Australian citizen since 1996, Stanley and his wife Sheilah live in Queensland where they manufacture jewelry. Wrong again! Only Bear really makes jewelry for sale.
[edit] Diet
Stanley firmly believes that the natural human diet is a totally carnivorous one, and that all vegetables are toxic. He has eaten almost nothing but meat, eggs and cheese since 1959, and claims that his body has not aged as much as the bodies of those who eat a diet considered to be more normal. He is convinced that insulin, released by the pancreas when carbohydrates are ingested, is the cause of much damage to human tissue and that both forms of diabetes mellitus are caused by the ingestion of carbohydrates.
[edit] Musical references
In 1966, the Grateful Dead sometimes performed a song titled "Alice D. Millionaire", which is a reference to the newspaper headline of when Stanley was arrested. The headline read "LSD Millionaire Busted".
The Jimi Hendrix cover version of the Beatles song "Day Tripper", from a 1967 BBC session first released on CD in 1987, features Jimi Hendrix clearly shouting out, "Oh Owsley, can you hear me now?" during the climactic guitar solo.
The title of the Jefferson Airplane song "Bear Melt", from their 1968 live album Bless Its Pointed Little Head, is a reference to Stanley's nickname "Bear". Paul Kantner also refers to Stanley by name on the album. The Jefferson Airplane song "Mexico", which was released as a single in 1970, opens with the lyric, "Owsley and Charlie, twins of the trade, come to the poet's room."
The Frank Zappa song "Who Needs the Peace Corps?", from the Mothers of Invention' 1968 album We're Only in It for the Money, satirized the hippie scene and features the opening verse:
What's there to live for?
Who needs the peace corps?
Think I'll just DROP OUT
I'll go to Frisco
Buy a wig & sleep
On Owsley's floor [2]
The Steely Dan song "Kid Charlemagne" from the 1976 album The Royal Scam was inspired by Stanley:
While the music played you worked by candlelight
Those San Francisco nights
You were the best in town
Just by chance you crossed the diamond with the pearl
You turned it on the world
That's when you turned the world around
Did you feel like Jesus
Did you realize
That you were a champion in their eyes
On the hill the stuff was laced with kerosene
But yours was kitchen clean
Everyone stopped to stare at your technicolor motor home
Every A-Frame had your number on the wall
You must have had it all
You'd go to L.A. on a dare
And you'd go it alone
Could you live forever
Could you see the day
Could you feel your whole world fall apart and fade away [3]
In 1990 Sunderland, a UK psychedelic Ska Punk band AOS3 named themselves after Owsley's initials, culled from a chapter of the book "The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love". They used an Image of Owsley as a T-shirt graphic, and named their first tape release simply "Owsley".
In 1996, Peter Kember's post-Spacemen 3 band Spectrum released the "Songs for Owsley" EP. The song "Owsley" is an appropriately tripped-out melange of electronic mayhem and highly processed vocals.
Cult Glasgow psychedelic pop group The Owsley Sunshine, take their name from a brand of LSD produced by Stanley.
[edit] External links
* Owsley's website
[edit] References
* Martin A Lee, Bruce Shlain (March 1, 1986). Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond, Grove Press. ISBN 0-8021-3062-3
* John Bassett McCleary (February 1, 2004). The Hippie Dictionary: A Cultural Encyclopedia of the 1960s and 1970s pp. 495, Ten Speed Press. ISBN 1-58008-547-4
* Tom Wolfe (August 1968). The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, Inc.
[edit] See also
* Grateful Dead
* Merry Pranksters
* LSD
Persondata
NAME Stanley, Owsley
ALTERNATIVE NAMES Stanley, Augustus Owsley, III (birth name); Owsley (nickname); Bear (nickname)
SHORT DESCRIPTION LSD chemist - NOT!
DATE OF BIRTH January 19, 1935
PLACE OF BIRTH
DATE OF DEATH living
PLACE OF DEATH
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley"
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 01:55:11 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Brain, I don't know for certain but it's got to be something off of Kamakiriad as just by listening it does sound similar to some of the material off that album (*note* BN wasn't the first of Don's tunes to feature Prince-esque singing).
I'm still eager to send the Kirinji/Tomita SD-sounding stuff to anyone who wishes to hear it (so afterward you can post here and admit how 99% close it sounds to the old Dan). Leave e-mail addresses so that I can do it as bulk e-mail since it takes so friggin' long for me to send stuff over AOL. Since they've composed over 100 songs thus far (about 10 years into their career), I'll just send most of the SD-like stuff (about 7-8 songs; they also do a wide range of other stuff as well). I guarantee you it's miles ahead of the newer Dan/Don produce. One song (I can't read Japanese) starts off sounding like Do It Again and then goes into a whole 'nother thing altogether. Another song sounds like a missing track from Aja!! Yet another has them doing one of the most amazingly wiggy keyboard-centered arrangements you've ever heard. Etc. Etc.
Kirinji is comprised of Yasuyuki and Takaki Horigome who are brothers, and they work with session players, much like SD. Keiichi Tomita, considered Japan's answer to Burt Bacharach, produced their first several albums and they did some stuff solo as well, of which I own everything. I consider them more enjoyable to listen to than even old-school Dan because they're more varied, Yasuyuki can sing better than Donald can (Takaki-san also sings, though not as well as Yasuyuki-san, but at least he has a voice and doesn't outright suck like Walter's does), they create some amazingly memorable harmonies and melodies that really stick on the first listen, and their albums are always wide-ranging, meaning that you don't hear the same beat across all tracks, unlike the new Dan. I've known about this 100% joy group since 2001; it's amazing that they're almost completely unknown here in the States as they're far and away superior to everything that has come out here in the past several decades. The reason I found out about them was because I grew increasingly disenchanted with listening to classic rock stations which always play the same tunes over and over and over again, so I figured that since my own country wasn't producing much of anything I liked, why not look abroad? Besides, I despise people like Elton John with a passion (on a sidenote, how dare AMG list Elton as being a similar artists to SD, as if that deuchbag ever did anything even remotely similar; a song like Doctor Wu is better than everything he's ever done combined; GOD, I CAN'T STAND HIM!). Err, sorry about that.
Anyway, my offer stands. You can either leave your e-mail address here or e-mail me at . Thanks again and I always enjoy the discussion.
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 01:26:57 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Brain Strainer, my uneducated, intuitive guess is Trans-island skyway, but this is just a feeling. I can't prove it musically
GW
Date: Mon, June 25, 2007, 00:21:53 ET
Posted by: FLORIDA ROOM , FLORIDA ROOM
Is it FLORIDA ROOM
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 23:39:41 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
BTW I ratcheted the Difficulty Level down on the latest Strainer (Brite Nitegown) to about 3.5.
Let's see just how good Mike of Connecticut is(and others) are.. (:D
Cool "emoticon", no? Non-derivative?
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 22:58:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
It looks like Mike of Connecticut has fomented some good discussion gotten some others to think. Mike made an earlier assessment of "Brite Nightgown", 4th cut on "Morph" sounding like Prince's song "Kiss", which had been asserted by a few people awhile back but rejected out of hand.
SD/Fagen songs are pretty much based on prior work, the song TAN, however is notable exception as it is pretty non-derivative. The casual fan thus says "they all sound the same", which a Danfan knows otherwise. When Fagen was interviewed around the time of Morph's release he made a statement to the effect "I now have the skills", while intimating that he was going to move away from the "derivative" route. And Morph, particularly that TITLE track is definitely less derivative than all 11 previous Dan/Fagen studio records.
But old habits are hard to break, especially for Donald. One example is the seemingly breakthrough "original" "Brite Nitegown" which IS derived from a previous tune in the Fagen Trilogy. Name that tune.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 21:30:16 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
How right you are, not those songs. Their SD-like songs aren't made into music videos.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 21:26:58 ET
Posted by: How right you are?,
While the Japanese band Kirinji has a nice sound, they do not sound like Steely Dan. More late 60's/early 70's pop, more Beatles and Chicago. They need an edge to be Steely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a28pRK9cPnM&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-l3nxzg5Xw
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 21:20:20 ET
Posted by: drwu, @biscayne bay
Mike
The meds
Dont forget the meds
ok
who cares if he is?
Is that part of the perspective?
My my my
DR WU
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 20:33:58 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Wow Dr Wu, so what does that prove besides Don being a prick in real life?
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 20:22:20 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Shark deVille: I agree with your comments about the newer
material being "way more R&B-based, and way looser."
I really enjoy the way West of Hollywood flows lyrically,
without rhyme. I would think that would be a very difficult
thing to achieve, but they pull it of beautifully.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 20:06:43 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
WRONG, WRONG, DAMN WRONG! If you bothered to adventure outside of US territory, you'd know that the Japanese band Kirinji sounds far more akin to the SD of glory days than does recent SD stuff. Also, their producer, Keiichi Tomita, loves old-school SD as is clearly evident by listening to some of his solo work. Don't believe me? I'll gladly send anybody who wants it some of their songs and you can find out for yourself how right I am and how wrong you are.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 19:56:30 ET
Posted by: BRUTUS CHARISMA,
RE: NEW TESTACLE/OLD TESTSCLE DAN:
THE BOTTOM FREAKING LINE IS:
NOBODY SOUNDS LIKE, NOBODY WRITES MUSIC LIKE, NOBODY WRITES LYRICS LIKE, NOBODY HAS THE SOPHISTICATION LIKE, NOBOBY HAS THE CLASS/ELEGANCE LIKE THE FREAKING DAN. FREAKING PERIOD.
MC CARTNEY, JOEL, WILSON, SIMON, JOHN= HAS-BEENS ALL!
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 19:03:04 ET
Posted by: shark, oh yeah
the bridge lyric on Gina, just in case anyone was unclear:
Now I'm in my apartment
the blinds down
the lights out
the phone rings
God help me
there's nobody home.
I crouch on the carpet
not breathing
just being
like meat on a bone.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 18:57:23 ET
Posted by: shark deVille, fl room
99% of the new testament stuff, which I would say starts with Kamakiriad, is different in a couple ways: it's way more R&B-based, and way looser.
the whole point is to spend less time in the studio and to get more of a live sound on record... some people find the old stuff a little too sterile at times.
Donald also took a great step forward when he started writing the horn charts himself, and I think they sound great. instantly recognizable and a new trademark part of their sound.
Every tune on TvN, EMG, and MTC has plenty of merit and lots to chew on. There might be a song or two that I'm not crazy about, but I skip "Change of the Guard" too. They are writing the music they want to make, not the next Aja. I freaking love it.
If it's not your thing, well fine. But the song-by-song slagfest is a bit much... WHO CARES?
I personally don't trust anyone that doesn't like Blues Beach. Such a great mix of fun and doom. what a tune!
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 17:56:02 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Ottawa
Mike from CT.
Thanks for the post on the New Testament. I appreciated the candor and thought that was put into it. One annoying thing around the Blue, is that from time to time someone expresses an opinion, then the post degrades into a "ya" "oh ya" tug of war.
You may have verbalized a thought I have been having with the New Testament. Don't get me wrong - I am a proud owner of TvN, EMG and MTC. Yet my expectations based on the past D + W's craftmanship have left me wondering if this was the best they could do. On first listen, I felt EMG was their "Let It Be" release. First takes, SD raw, no take 22 found here sort of feel. I liked the change, but was left disheartened when I realized it didn't have "the legs" like some of their other work.
my .02.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 17:01:40 ET
Posted by: DR WU, BISCAYNE BAY
Mike,
Your string of adjectives was negative
And its so easy to be negative no matter how cute the prose is.
So a tiny comment about taking meds provides fury for you.
Oh well
Go to many shows and pick it all apart then too?
I just would like people like yourself to have some balance,but then again in this society we encourage being negative and critical and provide no imagination.
As Donald used to say on the streets in NYC to people when asked when his next album was coming.
"where is your next album"?
or better yet
Have any creds?
ANY?
ANY?
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 17:00:03 ET
Posted by: Ramon Azteca, Reseda
Ramon Says: LOOK AT ME!
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 16:50:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Scene-ster, I was watching Fall Out Boy just this morning on the cable, they have a vital, youthful exuberance, they have a very good drummer in the Copeland mould, they relate the requisite manic angst but, no, I hear nothing enduring there. If that's a harbinger of being soon irrelevant and out of touch then, well, so be it. There weren't even the obligatory two modulations in that song I just listened to. But if they speak to you, then, by all means enjoy. For myself, I'd rather have a needle drag over that last Duke Ellington album I plucked out of the archives from 1937. We must agree to disagree, I suppose.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 16:38:30 ET
Posted by: This Ain't a Scene, diggin' it
Raj - At least you admit you are out of touch. Have you heard anything from Fall Out Boy? I don't own any of their albums, and they are probably just the latest flavor of the week, but I can't get "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" out of my head... and it's a good thing.
http://www.falloutboyrock.com/falloutboy/disco.php
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 16:25:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
...and thank you LG for that explanation, I fear I'm showing how out of touch I am. Can complete irrelevancy be far behind I'm fearing...
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 16:22:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
What's funny about neo-punk bands like the purile Fall Out Boys is that punk, which used to be the revolutionary and defiant form after the art-rock bands of the 70s has now slipped into the niche of the status-quo, the very predictable, the bubble-gum and the very very unimaginative. Things change. Punk and Rap have nothing left to say and are sputtering on fumes. A good time to ponder that which really endures and I think you might all know what I feel about that.
Mike, thanks for putting your ops on the line, that takes some guts over here.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 16:18:27 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Double A down to Sheridan Square
Raj-- LOOK SIDEWAYS!
:-P and :-) are internet speak for a person sticking out his/her tongue or smiling, respectively. They are lovingly called, "emoticons."
Can't really express those non-verbal intentions in type so they come in handy. It's pretty safe to say that everything that precedes a :-P in my posts is supposed to be taken with a little bit of humor. At least I hope so.
:-P
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 15:19:42 ET
Posted by: Jamie, Dark Side of Tampa
Fife- Obviously [Gratefully? ] you have never done much experimenting with opiates........Time out of Mind- they opened with it last year in Tampa- and I wanted to hear it quite badly- barely caught is as we stumbled up to the show a tad late- hell we missed it. This year I believe they opened with it at Clearwater [2nd show] and I caught it in its entirety. I liked your comment about eyes-glazed over very appropriate.
PS- Fife or Phife Dog is an original member of A Tribe Called Quest- when of the greatest rap bands ever....
Pe@ce,
Jamie
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 14:43:39 ET
Posted by: Chris, EDIT
please replace YOU'RE with YOUR. normally i wouldn't double post for a typo, but confusing those two are my pet peeve....
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 14:42:41 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Mike, you're reviews are a little too flippant for my tastes. I understand the concept of keeping it brief, but think about what you're doing here. TvN took about 5 years to write and record, and the fact that you write out complex tunes like West of Hollywood and Negative Girl with phrases like "Doesn't do much for me" leads me to believe you're not giving them a fighting chance.
I've already shared my opinion of old vs. new, and I think it's possible that Don and Walt have said all they have to say for the time being, but goddamn if they didn't say it well. Even EMG and MTC which I consider weak compared to Gaucho, my Steely Dan Gold Standard if you will, are still great records by any standard. They're just not as adventurous as other outings.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 13:20:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
LWO - you Dangerous Demoness, you've hit on something there. As an adult, by the time they came back with TvN, I wondered, Jesus, what is this twisted shit gonna sound like 20 years down the road? And when I played it, I discovered that they had changed in much the same way I had changed. Older, balder, paunchier but I like to flatter myself and think I was more discerning and mature, more knowledgable about music theory, with the ability to appreciate more than a song like, Don't Take Me Alive, which is a great song, but full of dysfunction and uncontrolled angst. Negative Girl and Almost Gothic are quantum leaps beyond what they left off with on Gaucho on so many levels. A better understanding of the human condition, a much deeper take on the dark dysfunction.
Now when I here Pixeleen, which is without doubt a polished jewel, I can appreciate them being able to harken back to younger days and younger impulses. That song is near perfect, many people don't care for it, perhaps because they're out of touch with their younger days. I mean, I'm older but I still recall what it was like to be young and adventerous like our Pixie-girl, I can still relate, especially since the narrator is an older fella.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 12:56:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, goin' down down
Mike, you certainly didn't insult me. I, like HouDanFan, was just admitting one of my many shortcomings. I like all SD music, especially the later years. Maybe because it speaks to me as an adult--you know when you can't always pick and choose the things that you like. Or maybe sometimes you pick the things that might make someone else happy. Or sometimes, maybe you just settle. Oops, law talk again.
Fall Out Boy had 3 guitars a-blazing and intriguing lyrics. I just thought that might interest you/others. That seems to be the chief complaint with the later SD stuff. Lack of driving guitar work.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 12:33:02 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Mike...my man...you are in a Steely Dan fan forum here my brotha. Are we suppose to all wake up now and find that your criticism is right and we were all wrong?? I just happen to like all SD. That's my opinion. And I don't have to go any great length to support it either.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 12:05:55 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
LisaG, that's what I said. AG is the easily the best of the new Dan.
TJ, yes, for the most part the other music out there sucks right now. But not everything sucks as bad as you might believe.
Rajah, I don't think I'm underestimating those songs; rather, I think most people are underestimating what this duo is truly capable of doing. With so many incredible songs coming at you one after another on the older albums, there's just no way the new ones can touch them. H Gang is a terrible song from Don's standards; the rest of the album puts that song to shame.
Doctor Wu, yeah, because this forum should only be about discussing how great everything they do is, even when it's clearly lackluster effort on their part. By all means, resort to personal insults next. No, seriously. I can take it.
LittleWildOne, nice sarcastic remark. Sorry for INSULTING you simply by not always agreeing that everything the Dan does is greatness achieved. BTW, if I sat through a Fall Out Boy concert, TAN and EMG would sound like bliss afterwards. Of course that would never happen because I refuse to listen to anything I don't like.
Some of you (not all) are proving you're a bunch of babies when it comes to opinions. Don't go around acting like psuedo-sophisticated intellectuals when you can't even handle a Dan fan's personal criticism.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 12:01:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah, oh wait I forgot
LG, love your insanity, you and Newark crack me up but what does the :-P and the ;-D stuff mean? Clue me in, I feel like I missing a lot, even more than usual...
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 12:00:53 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Although I disagree with Mike, I have to give him credit for going to such great lengths to criticize SD in a SD fan forum. Wish I had that much time. BTW, I agree the ending of Brite Nitegown is too long but live, it rocks.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 11:59:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That's Jon on the H-Gang solo??? Well, shoot, why isn't he allowed to flash that in concert? He's great live, don't get me wrong and he's such a good guy to meet, he's just plain folk, but where is the danger H-Gang let's us glimpse? That's not the Gibson 335 he's whaling away on H-Gang is it? That solo is like a downed power line snaking around in the air on a damp dirt road. This band needs to get nasty, just a bit less in control.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 11:48:57 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Ducking into Nino's again...
Hahaha! I am actually finding Mike's prose interesting, and he makes some good points. But the "list" was downright entertaining.
"Don't think it's bad but don't think it's great either."
That is one heck of a review. :-P
Perhaps it's safe to say that we all have our own opinions just like we all have our own assholes. :-D I give Mike credit for speaking his mind.
Pixeleen is a masterpiece.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 11:35:29 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Way Deep
Wow, I love TvN (sorry, Mike, it's a law thing) and EMG. I had no idea I had such incredibly bad taste in music.
Speaking of which, I took the kids to see the Honda Civic Fall Out Boy show last week. The best band there was the Academy Is with William Beckett. Or maybe I just like his name. Easy on the eyes too.
But that's just MY opinion.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 11:21:40 ET
Posted by: doctor wu, biscayne bay
Mike *ct*
Mike next time take the meds before you post and save us the dirge
DR WU
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 10:30:44 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Raj-
I think Herrington played on "H Bomb" not Kranny.
I def agree w/you about having a guitar hero on de tour.
La pootzo -
BC
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 09:56:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah, gimmie that old time religion
I get you Brutus, the Rajah has a famous sense of humor, of the absurd and loves being poked fun at.
LG, Almost Gothic bridges the gap between Old and New Testament Dan best. It's twisted and dark but has that new mature smoothness.
Mike, I think you're underestimating a few of the new songs. Negative Girl and West of H'wood especially. Pixeleen is better constructed than most movie scripts. The tune is fanciful and a recalls teenage fun, I think if you accept that premise it helps you to get into the spirit of the piece.
H-Gang is getting lots of broadsides lately, true it's not much of a tune but isn't it great to hear that chainsaw guitar solo? It's Krantz, yes? He's great, he's what this band needs. And why is Walter good enough toplay bass on record but not in concert? He's certainly no Freddie or Barney but I wish they'd plug Krantz in there. Walter is a bebop guitar player, not hard bop, Grant Green bop. He's good but his style doesn't soar and thrill. It's tasteful, it's brainy, he and Jon go together well in that regard. But in a live concert don't you still need a rock guitar hero who can shred like all get out?
Willie, when I grew up in Catholic grade school, St. Rocco's in Cleveland, I shit you not, it was a whole different ballgame than today. The church was dark and scary, scary statues of like the Blessed Mother with needles going through her exposed heart, scenes of torture and various martyrs being executed. Little alcoves with spooky candles, strange smells, a secret language being spoken, bells peeling seemingly out of nowhere, that frieghtening confessional with the priest sliding that panel over as your cue to spill the beans on how you yelled at your Mom and how many times you touched yourself. Now THAT was religion. Fear, dread, foreboding. When they got rid of all that and Jesuit priests in High School used to say, "aw, call me Bob," that's when it all lost it's charm.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 09:03:48 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, Outside the palazzo
RAJ -
Actually, I'm just shfotin' around - I'm just bein' a coccozzo.
Raj is a fellow Italiano like me so he knows what I'm sayin'.
I'm not seriouso.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 06:41:10 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Mike, I think you forgot to state: "but compared to all the other shit out there the new dan is world class top notch best ever fuckin' fabulous."
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 05:24:00 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
Rajah, I enjoyed your disquisition on the pagan/Catholic cultural melee. I mis-read "lost the iconic and ceremonial" as "ironic and ceremonial" - which put me in mind of something very striking you often see on the oldest cathedrals and churches. They decorate them with demons and gargoyles! I can never get over that. It's an oxymoron in the living stone, and shows a broad-mindedness that is all but lost today. (That kind of mind-expanding "difficulty" over where the artist is coming from is also very reminiscent of SD...)
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 03:36:11 ET
Posted by: Newark, in the country
Now where did the boss hide that ballgag? It's gotta be around here somewhere.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 02:58:46 ET
Posted by: LisaG, In the City
For what it's worth, if I had to say what my most favorite SD song is it would be "Almost Gothic," hands down. It has a rich, gentle melody so counter to its lyrics. There's that unassuming, almost rocking undulation of the groove. And it has some of the most inventive vocals every conceived, backing and lead.
This song is truly a gem.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 01:42:45 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Lunch With Gina is a good song, but I wouldn't classify it as classic Dan (that is, being a song I just want to hear over and over again). Almost Gothic is the best new Dan song, definitely classic. On a good day, I can listen to it four times in a row and not tire of it. If you're interested....
TAN
1. Gaslighting Abbie -- Cool, fun song. Don't like Walter's guitar twiddling, though.
2. What A Shame About Me -- Ok song. Don't think it's bad but don't think it's great either.
3. Two Against Nature -- Kind of fun song. Different than anything else they've done.
4. Janie Runaway -- One of the most fun to sing along to. Great song. Perhaps a classic.
5. Almost Gothic -- Gorgeous song, beautiful arrangement, incredible lyrics. Total classic.
6. Jack Of Speed -- Overrated. Doesn't compare with songs like Do It Again or Black Friday. Also, it's too long for its own good. Could've been much better if it were shorter and had a better solo. They took three years to produce TAN; that's about three times as long as Aja took to complete. They should've known what works and what doesn't.
7. Cousin Dupree -- I don't like this song, its lyrics, or anything else about it for that matter. Always pass it.
8. Negative Girl -- An ok song. Not one of my favorites from the album.
9. West Of Hollywood -- Really don't care for this one either. It's just an ok song. Nothing about it is particularly noteworthy. The sax solo at the end is too long for its own good.
EMG
1. Last Mall -- Weak blues-structured piece. Sounds like something tailor made for Walter's blues playing.
2. Things I Miss The Most -- Perhaps the worst of the new Dan, next to Slang of Ages. Uninteresting, dull, insipid. Even the lyrics are pretty drab. A song should be great all the way through, not just for a few second bridge (which isn't so great that it's worth suffering through the rest of it in order to hear).
3. Blues Beach -- I agree with an Amazon review of old which compares this to the background music to an AOL commercial (ugh, I remember those). Exactly right: this song is unusually cheesy, and they chose it as a single! What gives?
4. Godwhacker -- Am I watching the NFL halftime show? Can't be because this song isn't even as good as those usually are. Just because people here seem to love that line "...At the start of the end of his-to-ry!" doesn't suddenly make the song itself great. Next please.
5. Slang Of Ages -- Spoke too soon. Walter Becker should never sing on a SD album. In fact, there should be a rule that he shouldn't sing ever! Besides his horrible singing voice, the song doesn't go anywhere special. Sounds like they could've called someone off the street to sing it. Maybe Donald had a really bad cold or something...
6. Green Book -- Ok song. Laid-back, easy but somewhat unsettling in a way. The best part of the song is at the very end when Donald and the backup singers sing in unison, "Green Book," sounding like something I'd expect to hear at the end of a particularly good commercial or show. Besides, it's nice to hear some semblance of a melody in a SD tune, is it not?
7. Pixeleen -- Probably the most overrated of their new songs, it's a ho-hum SD number with a very annoying chorus, especially at the end (how many friggin' times do they have to sing "PIXELEEEEEEEEEN!" with a background singer singing the main lyrics which are inaudible thanks to the prominence of the "PIXELEEEEEEEEEN!"?!?!
8. Lunch With Gina -- Hmmm, sounds like Donald and Walter were having fun with this. I like the lyrics (except for the kind of weak bridge -- 'beating like meat on a bone'??) and the call-&-response solos. Probably the best song on the album.
9. Everything Must Go -- The intro is kind of overdone, but the song is alright. The beginning of the bridge (yes, just the beginning) is nice, but the second half isn't nearly as good a follow-up -- c'mon, there should be a great conclusion to a phrase like that. Wespikof's solo starts out good for the first bar or two but then goes into some lousy thing where he shows off his "fast" playing with some mindless, unmemorable runs when he should focus on the context and emotion of the piece he's doing. Talk about unprofessional. Speaking of which, if I was Donald I would've demanded he go back and get it right or get lost.
MTC
1. Morph The Cat -- A solid opening with an unusual chorus, you can tell right off the bat that this isn't going to be a return to the lackluster Kamakiriad days.
2. H Gang -- The worst song on the album becomes the single.... Talk about an error in judgement!
3. What I Do -- Good song with a great little bassline build-up in the intro. Sounds very reminiscent of old Dan.
4. Bright Nitegown -- Fun, fun, fun. Don does his best Prince impersonation (was he trying[?]; he had to know). Cool songwriting, although the length of the ending is overdone.
5. The Great Pagoda Of Funn -- Another great song. Great old-school changes, with a lot of nice passages all neatly fit together. And here, for once, Wespikof sounds good doing the solo. Same goes for the guitar.
6. Security Joan -- This is a super cool song. Totally Don through and through. And what a great chorus! The additional "Search me now!" at the end of the second chorus is a stroke of genius, as is his 1960's-esque Batman-like organ solo. "BAT--MAAAN!"
7. The Night Belongs To Mona -- Another great song. Thankfully, it's not drawn out too long, thus preventing it from becoming monotonous.
8. Mary Shut The Garden Door -- Unusual by Don's standards, this song is pretty cool. It has a great arrangement with a hauntingly beautiful bridge and some interesting playing towards the end.
9. MTC (Reprise) -- Well, whatever.
And that's how I feel about new Dan.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 01:00:55 ET
Posted by: Cuzzint Antny,
Yeah. We jus says deez woids. We nevah sees um, capisce?
You knows what I'm sayin, compare.
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 00:46:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ma cuz
Gelosi 'stunade?
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 00:22:42 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, CA
Ok, let me just say, if our boys are on a
"final tour"
or
on a mission to "rake in the dough"
or
on a super duper PR bru ha ha,
I think they should
DO IT UP
with a
"celebrity playlist"
on iTunes; that would be
BAD ASS.
That's my 2 piasters......
Date: Sun, June 24, 2007, 00:22:09 ET
Posted by: Cuzzint Antny,
Raj- Si, estunatos celosos!
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 23:38:55 ET
Posted by: How about Gina?,
Don and the Dan just needed to get the rust off.
TAN was not that good, even though they won awards for it.
The last half of EMG was a big improvement.
Morph was even better, but got no props.
So Mike, you gotta love Gina. It stands up well even against the old school Dan. Agree? Or no?
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 22:48:05 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
To the people who responded to my comments--
The problem for myself is that on any choice older album there are always at least a few songs which can be classified as a true classic. Out of all the songs on TAN (I don't know hy people insist on the TvN acronym, but whatever) or EMG, Almost Gothic is the only true classic. The rest are either good songs (Gaslighting Abbie, Janie Runaway) ho-hum efforts (Pixeleen, Green Book) or downright unlistenable (Cousin Dupree, Things I Miss The Most, Godwhacker). It's become a gimmick: jazz chords played over a beat with scare variation/syncopation, horn charts, uninteresting, unrelatable lyrics with little in terms of melody, and your obligatory sax/guitar solo with maybe one keyboard solo thrown in for good measure.
Am I a musician? Well, I learned to play all sorts of styles on both classical and electric guitar and I can play the keyboards (inc. Almost Gothic). Does that matter? Not really. So are you trying to say that in order for me to have the right [sic] to criticize what I perceive as laziness/lack of passion and dedication in the majority of newer SD material that I must first pass a quasi-muscial inspection on whomever's part said it (read: phony)? Get real.
As far as time's changing and the Dan keeping up-to-date, all I can say is that cool chord changes, awesome melodies and slick solos aren't (dis)allowed by any measure just because of what studio equipment one works with. If anything, it should be even easier with the technology available today to get the recording process done from start to finish, in terms of mixing and mastering anyway. Donald said in his original radio cast of MTC, if I'm remembering correctly, that he had been going in and out of the studio off and on for about a year before MTC was finished. For the record, I enjoy many of the songs on that album and regard it as superior to EMG, TAN, and Kamakiriad for that matter. Indeed, it feels much more SD than either of the last SD albums.
If this is all regarded as too harsh a criticism from a wishful thinker (I'm in my 20's, for your information) who you all--sans Jazzman--perceive as being overly nostalgic for old Dan, so be it. It's my honest opinion. I don't post here with the intent to make enemies with people who love the same group I do. The SD I fell in love with has, admittedly, changed with the times, but not for the better. I won't force myself to 'try' and like something, either by repeated listening (as if I didn't 'get' a song such as Pixeleen after the first 20 listens) nor by coming in here and attempting to strkie up psuedo-intellectual conversations about some deep, "hidden" message/point to this or that song.
You know why I love Peg? Because it's such a great song. Know how many times I had to listen to it to 'get it'? Once.
Thanks for reading.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 22:10:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No, actually he was saying I have a dick which is more than we can say for a few on this field of Blue.
Again, peace, my friends. To those who persevere in their unpleasant and discourteous paths, expect hell, expect it every time.
Fair is fair.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 21:17:00 ET
Posted by: Cuzzint Antny,
Hey "Brutie", ah you sayin' mi fratello Rajah is a DICK?
Play nice now, dat don't go.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 21:11:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Indeed,
Aqua puro,
Cazzo duro.
My favorite epigram, strictly translated, "pure water, hard cock."
Bring it on Blue, you'll never drag the Rajah down...
Peace.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 20:14:14 ET
Posted by: BRUTUS CHARISMA,
rAJNAH -
CHE CAZZO!!!
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 18:13:03 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The most recent Strainer was:
"A recent post sort of maligned "Slang of Ages". But some might view it as the perfect "Walt" song and perhaps a standout as far as its certain uniqueness in the New Testament body of work. "Slang" also harkens back to such favorites as "Monkey" and another Old Testament tune from which there is a little five note, repeating "snippet" in "Slang's" chorus blended with the female backup singing from which it is most certainly derived."
TJ of Denmark was first with the correct answer "Deacon Blues".
If you listen closely to the chorus, right after "Drop me off in Groovetime" you will hear the folowing:
The five-note "drop-off" used on Deacon.
The background trombones? used on the Deacon outro.
Background vocals very similar in pitch to those in Deacon
Sax parts used that are very similar to those in the Deacon outro.
This admittedly was a tough one and probably should have been upgraded to a "hemorrrhager", (difficulty level of 7.5 or above).
The fact that Walt is doing the vocals, and the "Slang's" verse has the "Monkey in your Soul" feel is distracting. But what must be considered is that most every Dan/Fagen song is built on prior works, and in this case they nicely pieced in a "Deacon" derivative as the chorus, which BTW works beautifully!
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 16:21:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah, roll up those plaited skirts girls
Yeah, Betty 1, I hear all that in there as well. Funny you should single out TOOM and Josie, two songs loaded with ritual imagery. Josie could be viewed as a ritual protitute like those women who were votresses of the goddess Aphrodite, Venus for the Romans. The ancients had a much different view of sex in general, it was more merely a necessary function of the body and it was many centuries later that it was coupled with this element of an emotional connection, love. It wasn't thought of as dirty or prurient, just a fact of life. Ritual ecstacy and sexual ecstacy went together like peanut butter and jelly. These women provided a necessary service and were not ostracized or judged in any way. Of course you could always break off a piece at some of the skankier brothels but that was for the lower classes. When you taking a break from the Emperor's orgies. When you make the Roman Catholic connection, you hit on something very overlooked, that is that the religion basically replaced the pagan pantheon of the Roman world and co-opted so much of the rituals, the holidays, Roman Catholicism being just about the most pagan religion around. Not so much anymore after Vatican II when we lost most of our iconry and ritual and with it a lot of mystery and mysticism. Josie summons up all that, if nothing else, she is mysterious.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 15:07:23 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Time out of Mind always makes me think of the Medieval period where dragons and wizards abound. Where alchemists turns silver to gold. I never associated it with drug use, not that I'm an innocent by any means in that. I also associated it for it's Christian reference to turning water into cherry wine, The Crusades. I actually here a few Roman Catholic references, like in "Josie" she prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire. It's fun how your own life shapes the way you hear lyrics. That line reminds me of being in a Roman Catholic boarding school and having to say the Rosary everyday. I'm pretty sure my eyes were glazed over though, lol.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:47:40 ET
Posted by: Othmar Ammann, Staten Island
Thanks for all the bridge talk.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:31:39 ET
Posted by: Apologies to the gods of good writing..., ...
That is...HEAR somebody laugh somewhere.
Keep me off the internet. :-P
LG
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:29:59 ET
Posted by: LisaG, don't fall asleep reading this...
Mike—Methinks you wax a wee bit too dramatic. “Perfect arrangements…where every single note has a seemingly distinct purpose to fulfill?” I can’t help but here somebody laugh somewhere. Might even be fodder for their next song...
But enough busting. They were indeed perfectionists, however there is no such thing as one set “example” of perfection in the common mind. Everyone’s concepts are different. I can find many weaknesses in their earlier recordings that are too insignificant to even mention at length when you put them against all the incredible other goings on. But anyone with ears would agree that aspects of the product they valued in the past (i.e. grooves, complex harmonies/substitutions, all-too-clever and possibly snarly lyrics, etc.) are still very prevalent in their more recent offerings.
Modern technology allows for more performance-perfection nowadays--see, pitch correction or visual as well as aural editing with digital virtual “studios,” just to name a few examples. It can also foster a bit more experimentation with aspects of writing and recording that they did not have at their hest over a long time ago. Today’s artists are competing for a spot in the world of “fast food” music sharing, so much of what you liked about the Dan in the past is not necessary and may not even be tolerated by today’s standards. Have you ever tried to bend metal? 500 times? It can and will break down eventually just as overdone ideas honed to their unbending end will eventually die.
Perhaps some speculation into what their creative process might entail is in order...
Think about Don and Walt sitting in the studio with a demo about to embark on that painstaking process of arrangement development and textural layerin...idea after idea tried, until at one point, they hit pay-dirt. They would not need to spend the time creating the studio effects of the past in a digital environment because, well they can achieve more in a mere fraction of the time. Now they can concentrate on honing the song from a completely different approach. They are veteran songwriters who can cut to the chase in the room above anyone’s garage. And now they have the tools to get it done so they can concentrate on "other" things.
Also, and I bite my tongue as I say this, the elitist I am...ha!...there IS an influence to get the product out to a generation of people who have been raised on digital fallacy. And while the Dan is the real deal, they need to compete.
You aren’t going to see necessarily the depth in every cut on an album like you may have had in the past perhaps because they have grown up to realize that they need to be “in touch.” (Or maybe they're just too old and tired? :-P )
Today's music so much a product of a stream-lined world that the creative process may not go as deep. They are going to say what they have wanted to say all these years without re-doing and re-doing. This is perhaps what you notice in their modern writing, less emphasis on the uber-revision and more on pure raw idea development through groove-realization.
I think the “sound” they (possibly unintentionally) strived to create was more a by-product of their wont to manipulate the recording process and take it to its limits so it’s entirely possible that song variations just blossomed in these environs.
If you’ve ever heard the demo of Caves of Altamira, you would probably agree that the song’s bells and whistles created a whole new concept of the heroic matter-of-fact mannerism the studio arrangement evokes, lyrics aside. The bare writing is akin to nothing more than a folk song, but the studio creation was hyped up with a lick, a killer horn arrangement, and a drum groove like no other. Now they don’t have much to do to manipulate anything technically, so the development does not need to go through a similar process.
In regard to your points of complexity, passionate performances, eclectic ideas and wizardrous feels from a hand-picked conglomerate of the best in the business juxtaposed over the same two songwriters’ minds...agreed that these things are not tenets of the modern Dan’s M.O.--the employment of Freddie Washington, notwithstanding. They have, for all intents and purposes, become the ultimate 24-chord band.
One of the things you undoubtedly miss the most is the variety of palette in which they present such creations—in other words, the hot variety of session musicians who have done a plethora of other significant work. (N.B.--I do not wish to downplay any of the other fine musicians in the current line-up with my comments. It's just that while many do session work, they are relatively unknown among the bigger names which does not necessarily fall under the category of "make-or-break" criterion.)
Regarding the stylisms…I will say this. Steely Dan, for all its heady originality still had remnants of the “sound of the times.” As one example, how many artists from the 70’s used that steel guitar country-fied sound that SD seemed to use so well? I can name about ten right off the top of my head, and that’s only in the first minute.
This is the same argument you can use for “modern jazz” as opposed to “post-modern” jazz as opposed to “fusionesque” jazz, etc., etc.—you can label to your heart’s content. But the Pat Metheny of the early 80’s is nothing like the Pat Metheny of today whether it be through idea realization, performance, melodic development, etc. And yes, there is a sound-print exhibited in his recordings regarding “the then” vs. “the now” that’s indicative of the passing of time (and the new drummer!) with more prevalence than his hairdo and too-tight blue jeans muster. Oh wait, he hasn’t changed his look in 25 years. Ha.
I suppose the point is, no matter what the era, there is a certain “sound” that reflects the times, whether you try to avoid it or not. And there is also a certain feeling one gets when they hear something for the first time. It’s like remembering your first love…you probably still get a smile on your face when you think of this person, regardless of where in your emotional life you are now.
I know some may want to try to escape the idea of “life reflects art” because it is actually a fanfare for the common fan, but the reality is that no one consumes art in a vacuum. Its very essence is in its ability to mean something to anyone who is open to it, and there is no avoiding the “here and now connection” for any of us.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:13:16 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Strainer, you might be looking for Deacon Blues. Judging by the number of answers, probably also the ony one hearing the similarities :-)
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:05:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, where's that confounded bridge?
Charlemagne, creator of the non holy, non-Roman non-empire. One of the first orders of business in Western History 101.
I'd trade my diamonds and pearls at this point for paint, after having just spent a small fortune on paint for the new digs.
g
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 12:04:28 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
STILL no takers for the last Strainer?
"A recent post sort of maligned "Slang of Ages". But some might view it as the perfect "Walt" song and perhaps a standout as far as its certain uniqueness in the New Testament body of work. "Slang" also harkens back to such favorites as "Monkey" and another Old Testament tune from which there is a little five note, repeating "snippet" in "Slang's" chorus blended with the female backup singing from which it is most certainly derived."
HINT: The horn accompaniment used on the chorus in "Slang" is also "ear"-ily similar to that used on the chorus and some verse of that Old Testament tune in question....
HINT: Horn parts of the outro and the female backup vocal stylings are sonically very close to those used in the chorus of the tune in question can be heard in the chorus of "Slang" as well.
LAST HINT: The tune in question is named after a frequent poster on this site who resides in Europe...
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 11:46:31 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
Mike, again, well said.
When I first heard TvN I'll admit I was disappointed. Maybe I was expecting too much and expected it to sound like something from the 70's, which of course, it couldn't. After a while it grew on me just as EMG did but still to me the older material wins hands down. In the way that it was written, arranged and played. I am not going to apologize for that.
I do like a lot of the new stuff. There are some great tunes, but overall I feel that the old stuff just appeals to me in a way that the new stuff doesn't. Whether that is a case of them and me getting olde r or technology, I don't know. I don't think that this viewpoint makes me any less of a fan, and I have been one since pretty much day one.
I know I am not stuck in the past. I want to embrace anything that Donald and Walter produce. I actually like The Nightfly and Morph a lot, Kamakiriad less so.
Before anyone asks me if I am a musician, as if that matters, I have been a music lover for many years who has at various times played different instruments. I am aware of what goes on in recording studios and how things have changed over the years.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 11:25:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah, at my kiln
Weirdness abounds...I wonder if they have this problem over at the Dr. Hook guestbook?
Charlemange is often refered to as the Father of Europe for consolidating the different 8th and early 9th century Frankish and Teutonic tribes and kingdoms, converting whole peoples to Christianity. Owsley in his way ushered in a new era by making the psychedelic experience available to so many which, whatever your personal opinion of mind expanding hallucinogens might be, did change the way a whole generation viewed the human experience. The alchemical reference of crossing a diamond with a pearl harken back to all those Medievals trying to fashion gold out of rocks and toads and things.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 10:28:51 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, Outside The Stadium
RARRRRRRRRRRRRJAH -
Re: the bridges - As far as I can tell you're only off on 2 songs:
1) The bridge from "I Got Zee News" is: "Broadway Duchess darling if you only noo ..." and
2) The bridge from Glamour Prof." "Hollywood I know your middle moniker...".
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 10:26:24 ET
Posted by: See you later, Rajah
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 05:20:01 ET
Posted by: The Truth, Truthiworld
Rajah is an articulate writer. His writings are more speculative and less factual in nature than many believe.
For the most part, Rajah isn't scared off by his critics. Many wish Rajah the best.
Rather, he is focusing on some personal needs and will be for some time. Therefore you will see less of him here for some time to come. It's a good thing for Rajah.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 04:55:31 ET
Posted by: Dancing Bear, Dayglow Darwin
Of course I am still alive
http://www.thebear.org/bearstory.html
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 04:40:34 ET
Posted by: The Dyslexia Police, Kipahulu
From a BBC-Online Chat, March 4, 2000
Roger Neal Was "Kid Charlemagne" based on a real person?
Becker Walter I would say it was very loosely inspired by a character named Owsley.
Becker Walter His name was actually Augustus Stanley Owsley. He was a well-known psychedelic chef of the day. Later a sound man for the Grateful Dead. I believe he's still alive.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 03:58:08 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
What's wrong with some people here !!
I can understand that some of you prefere the pre Gaucho period or vice versa.
But continue like this and you will made of Steely Dan a mediocre band. All those guys dindn't get the message? Do they realize that the whole SD repertoire is one great chef d'oeuvre?
TvN is one of their best albums and appearently here on the Blue one of their most underrated masterpieces.
So i really don't understand what's going wrong here? You should all talk and analyse the inner quality of eich of their albums and no criticize without a fund.
To say it with my words: In the seventies W&D were the extraterestrials of rockmusic. The were exceptionally outstanding!!
Now those two ET's are adapted to life on earth and most of all they are much older.
But they still very magical. 100 levels upstairs the rest of the actual shit.
They're still be the fucking Dan.
By the way: SD day - 14
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 02:56:18 ET
Posted by: Lights by Golden Earrings, Filmore West
Bear thinks the song is about Owsley Stanley and he is not at all fond of it.
An interview with Owsley done earlier this month in Carmel is coming to a Rolling Stone near you soon but of course no photos.
The Bear diet has not brought Bear very good health in recent years. Eat your veggies. Nor has loud music done much for his hearing.
Where is Owsley now? Don't ask and I won't tell.
Tim Scully divides his time between Alameda and Mendo and is a manager at Autodesk and not very popular with the people who work under him. Just another chemist turned anal programmer.
Melissa the real chemist is happily living in Australia.
St. Al
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 02:44:59 ET
Posted by: THERE'S SOMETHING, TERRIBLY WRONG
Rajah… Please don’t give up posting on the Blue because of abuse from the sad people (as I have shamefully done). It’s people like you who keep this thing alive.
Thank you.
Date: Sat, June 23, 2007, 01:58:29 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Rajah's Wiggy Pad
Rajah,
Dude, bruddah, you need a life. The bridge too far this was steely stalker-ish. Who has all this time to waste on digging up lyrics. Find a friend. Go out. Take a pottery class.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 19:07:53 ET
Posted by: G Garcia, Modesto
Charlemagne loosely translates as "Charles the Great".
The patrons (junkies/users) left Owsley in the red (debt), and did not come to his legal aid when the chips were down.
Your low rent friends (lowlifes) are dead, what support he might have had overdosed.
You can never rule out entirely a Manson influence in the due to the chronology, but the arguments are far stronger and far less of a stretch for Owsley.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 18:47:59 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
The bridges on EMG are of another world.
My personal favorite chill maker is Godwhacker, especially the line "..at the start of the end of history". It has some strange harmonic ending that gets me everytime!
Other bridges from EMG that blows my mind:
- We've got a sweetheart Sunset Special (The perfect contrast to the blues!)
- I had a little birdy friend (falsetto heaven!)
- We gave it our best shot (Yuu definitely did!!)
...wait, they're all great! Stunningly great. The best bridge album in my book, closely followed ny Pretzel Logic.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 18:46:16 ET
Posted by: Bridge mix, .
Love or leave her, yellow fever
Sure, it's all in the game
And who are you
Just another scurvy brother ...
Also the AIA rendition.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 18:42:37 ET
Posted by: Lloyd Bridges, .
I'm reading last year's papers
Although I don't know why
Assassins cons and rapers
Might as well die.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 18:35:53 ET
Posted by: Jeff Bridges, .
There was a time
When the night was just for dancing
Till the sun rose over the skyline
But now you're gone
And the fear of winter grows
Just a place where the money flows
And there never was a springtime
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 17:55:04 ET
Posted by: What, the...?
OK, Hoopsie, I understand. My apologies.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 17:17:32 ET
Posted by: hoops,
'What": No nerves hit. It is explained on the posting page.
There's a whole history why.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 17:09:59 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah-
A thousand pardons...I'm still furthering my agenda.
Wasn't Charlemagne's given name Charles?...is there some specific element in Charlemagne's history that aligns him more to Owsley than Manson?
"Now your patrons have all left you in the red"...hmmmm
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 17:03:42 ET
Posted by: What, the...?
I must've hit a nerve. My post requesting where to hear the 18-second clip of The Second Arrangement got delted. Hoops, what gives?
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 15:39:59 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Actually "Glam Profession" was inspired by a swing/disco/big band hit called:
“Whispering / Cherchez La Femme / Se Si Bon” by Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band…..
The music that is, not the lyric.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 15:34:10 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Okay here's a weird thing. I posted on comcast.net on a music forum they have going. The subject was the best concert you've ever been to. Well I was reminising about the first Dan show I had attended which was '96 Art Crimes tour in Toronto. Well for some odd reason when I try to put Fagen's name in there it came out as "beep"en. I tried to post it again and again it came up "beep"en. What the f"beep"k? I guess fag is considered a negative word. In the UK and Ireland it's a cigarette. Idiots!!!
Anyhow 2VN is my fav Chris, has been since it came out. I've had a tougher time with EMG but I think that's because I'm saving it for a time when I'm ready for it. I was going through a tough time when it came out and the wounds seem to be still slightly open so it has a tendency to leave a slight bitter residue.
Fife
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 14:08:00 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"won't suck (ME IN) this time".
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 13:45:02 ET
Posted by: BRUTUS CHARISMA,
RARJ -
Re: the bridges - As far as I can tell you're only off on 2 songs:
1) The bridge from "I Got Zee News" is: "Broadway Duchess darling if you only noo ..." and
2) The bridge from Glamour Prof." "Hollywood I know your middle moniker...".
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 13:33:34 ET
Posted by: Does this count as a bridge?, Kwai R.
"We will spend a dizzy weekend smacked into a trance
Me and you will listen to
A little bit of what made the preacher dance"
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 13:06:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah, a bridge too far
Here they are, come get those bridges...
Tobacco they grow in Peking
In the Year of the Locust
You'll see a sad thing
Even Cathy Berberian knows
There's one roulade she can't sing
Dumb luck, mt friend,
won't suck this time
I can tell you all I know, the where to go, the what to do
You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you
You tell yourself you're not my kind
But you don't even know your mind
And you could have a change of heart
I stepped up on the platform
The man gave me the news
He said, You must be joking son
Where did you get those shoes?
Driving like a fool out to Hackensack
Drinking his dinner from a paper sack
He says I gotta see a joker
And I'll be right back
I got this thing inside me
That's got to find a place to hide me
I only know I must obey
This feeling I can't explain away
At the Grotto
In the greasy chair
Sits the Charlie with the lotion and the kinky hair
When she smiled, she said it all
The band was hot so
They danced the famous Merengue
Now we dolly back
Now we fade to black
I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You gonna show me later
Turn up the Eagles
the neighbors are listening
Yes dear
How did you know
Can't you see our love will grow
Slow down I'll tell you when
I may never walk again
Illegal fun
Under the sun
Sure he's a jolly roger
Until he answers for his crime
Yes I'll match him whim for whim now
I'm thinking of a major Jane Street sunrise
And the Goddess on the fire escape was you
This dark place so thrilling and new
It's kind of like the opposite of an aerial view
Unless I'm totally wrong
I hear her rap and brother it's strong
You maybe got lucky for a few good years
But there's no way back from there to here
He's a one way rider
On the shriek express
And his new best friend is at the
throttle more or less
I'll teach you everything I know
If you teach me how to do that dance
Life is short and quid pro quo
And what's so strange about a down-home family romance?
She reached out for my hand
While I watched myself lurch across the room
And I almost got there
I almost got there
I almost got there
I almost got there
I had a little birdy friend
By morning she was gone
Birdy good-bye
Birdy bye-bye
We could rent a paranymphic glider
My hypothetical friend
And we could sail
'Til the bending end
Be very very quiet
Clock everything you see
Little things might matter later
At the start of the end of history
Are you all part of the Dreaming
Or the end of my life so far?
Or something half way in between
You oughta know
Hey -- where'd she go?
Flashback to cool summer nights
-Freddy can we cut to the chase?
In the room above your garage
-Everything about me is different
Symmetrical and clean
We've got a sweetheart Sunset Special
On all of the standard stuff
'Cause in the morning --that gospel morning
You'll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 13:05:41 ET
Posted by: Nasty School Boy,
Chris - Funny how we all hear/think differently about these records.
I think TVN is very mediocre and EMG is fantastic! Oh well...you can't please everyone.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 12:41:16 ET
Posted by: A. Pollock , Chi-Town
Glamour Profession is set to a POLKA beat! Why are all of you geniuses saying it's disco? Can you be serious? It even has got the accordion, for chrissakes....
Donald probably was influenced by it by hearing Yiddish-German music in the Catskills with his momma as a youth.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 12:36:36 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I consider TvN to be among the best Steely Dan albums. The title track, Almost Gothic, Negative Girl, and West of Hollywood are all in my top ten list, the latter two can occupy the first and second spots on some days. As an album there are some weak spots. I never cared for Cousin Dupree. But I skip Deacon Blue and Hey Nineteen, too.
EMG, in my opinion, was either a misstep or a sign of complacency that doesn't suit notorious perfectionists like Don and Walt, although I must say that Pixeleen shows that they still have it when they choose to use it. Morph to me sounds like Don is self satisfied. You can bet he didn't spend an entire day mixing the background singers on the outro of Wha'd I Do a la Babylon Sisters. The songs are solid but they are all so similar that it's hard to sit through the entire album.
I'm interested to hear what Walter has to say on his next one. I love his songwriting style. I also think he'll let Carlock play a little, if the few live beats on 11TOW are any indication.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 11:41:04 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Ever get sick of hearing Steely Dan music referred to as, "Jazz Rock"? Well in this utterly ridiculous world we live in, we have now come full circle. Here is a snippet of a review of Spyro Gyra's new CD, "Good To Go-Go":
In a way, Spyro Gyra is the Steely Dan of jazz. For most of their years, The Dan was Donald Fagen, Walter Becker and an ever-changing lineup of session musicians. Spyro Gyra started in similar fashion, with saxophonist Jay Beckenstein and keyboardist Jeremy Wall fronting a band they called Tuesday Night Jams. The duo performed on Long Island on Tuesdays with a rotating cast of sidemen. Later joined by teenage keyboardist Tom Schuman, they became Spyro Gyra—a name that began as a joking reference to a type of algae: spirogyra.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 10:32:20 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Well, a consensus of sorts is emerging here - EMG and TvN were inferior in writing, arranging and performance comapared to their 70's output, and whenever they only perform 70's-era material like last year all you hear on this board is complaints.
With fans like this, who needs enemies? If the Blue is populated by SD enthusiasts, no wonder the rest of the world ignores our boys. There's no pleasing some people.
Don't get me wrong. I do not believe every stray belch these guys record is genius. There are a handful of songs I'm not totally fond of from all periods (funny, my least favorite Morph tracks appear to be quite popular here lately) and there have certainly been some lazy, half-assed set lists and shows. But the original 7 albums, from their initial vinyl incarnation on down, are so burned into my brain by now that if there had been no 90's/2000's SD or solo efforts I'm not sure how much I'd still be listening to them. Admiring them, sure, but they may have passed out of the rotation from overfamiliarity. This is why some of us frequent sites like Traders Den to check out (ahem) unauthorized tour documents and outtakes, some of which are actually pretty impressive in quality. Hearing, for instance, Weiskopf or Cornelius approach Deacon Blues their own way brings that song back to life even if they may not be improvising a solo for the ages. (On the other hand, I've heard a recording of DF doing Deacon Blues where the sax player apes the original solo note for note and it put me to sleep.)
I'm hoping for more output from Don and Walt, together and apart, as long as they want to put it out. They have yet to totally let me down.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 09:42:27 ET
Posted by: Newark, walkabout
Right, first Bullgoose: I could read your prose all day. thx the androgenous tribute to Running Bear was was fused! And, yes, Carlock delivers passionately, colorfully, and most importantly with virtuosity. To not explore Carlock is to miss a lot of fun. I dig Carlock live on Aja vs. Vinnie on Royal Tribute (sorry--Carlock facets are stellar). Bullgoose, so what's life in your part of Australia like, dude?
Great recent photos suggested re: Beacon. Thx SD Fan
BillfromPgh: RE: Glamour Profession Probably the near-disco beat and the associations it conjurs to this nearly 50 year old who endured the Saturday Night Fever era. .
Right, Truthful and shady--match head drugs and disco. The song conjures narratives, capturing the notion that stuff of the times was glamorous or undeniably alluring. GP is so avant garde. That album has memorizing texture--each contribution a stand out and makes one think.
Negative creeps do please drop dead--the Don Walt et al output is anchored, defying most theories about their future posted here. I respect some of the congregation's affinity for the Old, but I am reminded time and time again by my friends that what really emerges is a picture of arrested development. I worry for those whose musical tastes thrive in the past only. But at the same time, I know some romancers who would not go forward if you paid them. Sometimes I think that folks seem seem stuck or biased or stymied by their own sensibilities, simply longing for the old ways. clear throat. That's cool, whatever.
(Scrolling upwards). Combover, you sound a walking oxymoron.
Raj: I dig your personification of The Dan. It opens up a new dimension for analyses. Well done.
John nyc: Can you please post the specific link for Freedom Hill. Without a doubt, Detroit is in love with The Dan.
Thanks, Lawgator, for the Black Cow link-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY_FI9J1poQ--This lead to my finding the two parts of The Making of Kamakiriad--of interest. In the past few shows we thought Donald performed his arse off. Unbelievable and sensational. stop.
Thx Lisa G I liked your take on the sound system design. It's not the sound equipment; it has more to do with the equipment setup, in my view. These guys are good, without a doubt. I just see a trend in the old venues, and it can be say, challenging.
And NOW for your coffee break pleasure: Two songs:
Remember "Weapon of Choice? with Christopher Walken?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WW8flwpH-Q
And on "That Old Pair of Jeans" Behold the intriguing talent of "Vova"--wow, he rocks--too bad he has to struggle with his "right" to be in the USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEb3YknGUks
Back to the drawing board. Nwk
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 08:09:12 ET
Posted by: wt, ~
Mike
I've shared some of your thoughts on previous albums
I didn't like most of Kama -
it sounded contrived and trying to be too clever
most of it was grooved based and not melody based
the few exceptions (On the Dunes and Snowbound) recalled past glories
TvN - I recall giving it a hard review initially then it grew on me
I didn't like the production especially TvN and WoH
the snare rim is too hot and I thought these guys had lost their hearing (Jack, Shame and Gaslight stood out but many others grew on me)
I actually begged for an analog recording process on the then musical Yellow
EMG - analog and almost straight band recordings
are there any things that hit the old highs - Yes
Greenbook, Gina, Pixeleen, EMG, TIMTM are right up there with the old cannon
wasn't crazy about 3 throwaways (Blues Beach, Last Mall and Slang)
I like Walt's bass playing but it needed another guitarist imho
Carlock seemed strapped down in his playing - no snychopated swing like the old days
Morph - album starts out slow but Pagoda is right up there with anything off Aja
Joan and MOna are stellar as well
WID and Mary as well
the Lp version has great sonics except for the bass is too high in the mix
I'd love to see the Dan doing less word play and more poetic melodic
look at a song like Black Cow - no clever wordplay just direct
some of the newer cannon delivers in that end, some less so
I enjoy the newer material but do hit the skip button on certain recordings
personally I miss Purdy and Rainey - who doesn't
those guys had world class chops
I wish the boys would bring them in
but I'll enjoy what they've done with a younger crowd
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 07:43:42 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mike:
I sincerely mean absolutely no disrespect but, given your evident disappointment/disillusionment with the post-Aja and current Steely Dan output, why on earth are you visiting the Blue Book?
I am genuinely intrigued. Seems to be to be somewhat akin to a vegetarian hanging around a slaughterhouse. LOL
On the central point of your post, as a musician of 38 years experience, I would have to agree wholeheartedly with Clean Willie's eloquently stated contentions.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 07:16:13 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
mike although I sympathise with a lot of what you say I think you ought to sift through the arguments previously presented here
1. Are you a musician? Any musician will tell you that the instruments and equipment do indeed make a vast difference to the way you write and record. Unless you have a serious point to back up that assertion with it's not even worth getting into an argument over.
2. Following on from 1. - things have changed in the studio in the last 30 years, not to mention the industry, and indeed in the lives of our heroes. Yes, the arrangments etc in 1970's Dan are mind-bogglingly wonderful, but you simply couldn't do that now, nor could men in their late 50's do what reckless young men do. Walt went to the edge around Gaucho and if he hadn't changed his life bigtime there would probably be no 21st century Dan.
For all that is said about SD then and now being snarky, cynical, satirical, never being autobiographical - in spite of all that, it has got SOUL. In the early days that soul was filtered through any amount of intellectual high-wire antics in a way that only optimistic 60's kids could believe possible. These days, things are a lot less exciting, music can no longer change the world, and men of great soul like DF and WB could not ignore that. Kid Charlemagne could not be written by anyone with integrity these days.
For my money, Don and Walt should go the whole hog, play to their strengths as older, wiser musicians, and get heavily into jazz + progressive jazz, which is where the best bits of EMG and TvN seem to point. I couldn't agree more with you about the rhythm section disappointment on the last albums: while they hold out for transient rock/pop success in a market that no longer worships their ethos this is bound to remain a thorn in their side.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 06:55:44 ET
Posted by: Newark, Cafe bar
Make that espresso a double, Seth. I got work to do.
Date: Fri, June 22, 2007, 06:08:04 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Since when does a change in recordinging equipment have any impact on how one might go about songwriting and arranging, as if a physical object used for recording sound had any logical, mutual relationship with something that is wholly intangible, bearing on how one decides to write a song? Nonsense. It may change the clarity, dynamics, timbre of the finished recording; it may not decide how one will write and arrange a song. Nor do the times have anything to do with it. If I think a latter-day SD song doesn't live up to their usual standards, it's because the song itself (i.e. changes, lyrics, melody, etc.) weren't as well thought out (mostly Don) and executed (the choice session players) as it could've been executed. Also, because Walter has decided to appoint himself lead guitarist instead of bassist, you're always left with one flavored solos -- read: light & bluesy. And don't get me started on his wretched singing voice (Slang of Ages). Total ugh x 1,000. Donald, and only Donald, should be singing on a SD album.
Anothing thing is the comment on them finding their so-called signature sound with Aja. So they discovered their sound, but they must've completely ignored the ingredients for it on newer albums. Where are all those strangely beautiful passages, those unexpectedly cool hooks and the cool melodies to match? Listening to Things I Miss The Most is hard for me because I know only too well what this man had done before and to see him dawdle along like that, and over such weak chord changes ...it's like watching a beautiful bird flying around and suddenly nose dive to the ground. I guess when Donald said he no longer cares about meldoies, he really meant it. Where's the studio perfectionists who would call in 7 different guitarists just to get one solo right? Instead, we're just handed the same cast and crew over and over again -- my God, they're becoming a band! (Yet again, and with less-capable guys too.) Wespikof needs to go live in a smooth jazz band because his solos just don't cut it, at least not in the studio. Keith Carlock needs to learn how to mix up the tempo and make things interesting. It's like he's locked in one groove at all times. (Same goes for all recent SD cuts.) Listen and observe how the drumming in a song like Deacon Blues or Black Cow will change in sometimes subtle ways in order to compliment the arrangement, because the drums aren't there just to add beat to a song -- they're to aggrandize it, to DRIVE it somewhere, like wheels on a car. Where's the agressive, poison-filled lyrics and the perfect arrangements to match? You know exactly what I mean! Those arrangements where every single note has a seemingly distinct purpose to fulfill, with every instrument perfectly chosen just the same. It's called ATTENTION TO DETAIL. I could go on and on.
Whatever greatness Aja represents to Don & Walt, it's apparent that the lessons learned from it have been long forgotten because their newer albums sound NOTHING LIKE Aja -- nowhere near as good. Even if you compiled all the outtakes from Gaucho, even in their seemingly unfinished, hiss-laden form, the musicianship is clearly worlds apart from the SD of today. The only excuse for this lack of expected quality must be attributed to laziness, forgotten/abandoned lessons from the past, and, Heaven forbid, complacency.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 22:54:28 ET
Posted by: hoops,
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago, this one covering from June 13-21, 2007.
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The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for June 13-21, 2007:
• "The Nightfly Trilogy" box set delayed
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• Walter Becker's Mose The Fireman re-released this month
• CHICAGO DANFEST: Cicady Lied!
• MILWAUKEE DANFEST News
• European, Japanese & Down Under Danfests Taking Shape
• NEXT ISSUE! Danny Results!
• more Steely Dan album cover purses
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• Reviews and Commentary of last NYC show culled from here, etc.
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Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 22:21:20 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
LWO-Many many thanks to you! That worked for now, until I can figure out the real problem, but I'm in the Green. You moonlighting as a member of the Geek Squad?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 21:42:07 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
Zim, the same thing happened to me! The only way I still can get into the Green is by using Mozilla Firefox, not Explorer. You might try that.....
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 20:16:47 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, fl room
so, Steely Dan "officially" broke up in 1981? that seems odd.
also hard to believe that only 3 of their singles went top 10?
which 3?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 20:16:09 ET
Posted by: LisaG, On the dunes
Hi again, angel. Yup, same addy as before. See above and holla. :-)
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 19:26:10 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Zim
Email me which OS and web bowser you are using including version number, if you can.
Jim
hoopsATdandomDOTcom
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 19:23:12 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
Greenroom help please! Someone cleared out what they thought was unused programs on this computer and now the Greenroom won't work for me. It says I need an updated version of Java, which I already have. Can someone help me thru this? Thanks!
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 18:01:46 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I was just listening to "Herbie's Lament" from the album "Night Lights" from Walt Weiskopf? What a great saxophone player. One of my favourite saxophonists of Steely dan.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 17:37:55 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
After falling into a comatose-like nap, I was awoken by someone on VH1 Classic doing the "On This Day in Music" history bit. Turns out that on this day in 1981 Steely Dan broke up. The guy went on about 3 top ten hits, Naked Lunch, then they got back together in 1993, and they showed a clip of Kid Charlamagne from VH1 Storytellers. Ah, if only I were always awaken by SD TV.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 17:34:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
"How do you know the 18 second snip is the original erased version?"
We had a discussion a few years back about 2nd Arr. The first version had the natural drum sound and was the first track completed for Gaucho. The full band version sounds flat, which was the primary complaint of W&D. One interview indicated Jeff played on the sessions as did Gadd. I have not found a URL linking Ed Greene with 2nd Arr. The snippet doesn't sound like I Got the News nearly as much as The Nightfly and Miss Sun, two classic Porcaro tracks with a similar groove. I like this version much better. Note, that the snippet is not necessarily the same recording that was erased - just an earlier version.
"How do you know the full band version is a Wendelized Gadd?"
Same signature sound as Glamour Profession.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 17:33:32 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Incidentally, can anyone back up the claims that Donald likes to perform? He was sidelined by paralyzing stage fright for many years, handed off lead vocals on stage to David Palmer, Royce Jones, Mike McDonald, even Skunk in the 70s and I'm willing to bet the girls' and Walter's vocal features since 93 are his way of resting the pipes. (I recall Pete Fogel telling me that Donald had near-panic attacks in the pre-reunion days whenever anyone requested a Steely Dan song and he was much happier at the piano doing R&B covers and letting the others sing). He takes practically no instrumental solos live except for some melodica noodling. His stage patter is much more canned and awkward than Walter's. (Has anyone else seen the clip from David Sanborn's 90's Night Music show where DF huddled in the background over a DX7 while Randy Crawford sang IGY? He looked positively terrified any time the camera came near him.)
I do think that all the touring since 93 has allowed DF to work out his issues as a performer, and I think he has stated that was largely the inspiration for "What I Do." He finally realized that what he does is write songs, play piano and sing. Still not sure how much he likes it, but he's come a long way.
Walter, on the other hand, seems to me to be far more relaxed on stage and as MC. Maybe that's because his live role with SD is less demanding than Donald's, and it may be worth noting that he has only performed one solo show in his career. I'd sure pay to hear him do a club date with a small group of hot young players, and I'll bet he could find some who'd like his name on their resume.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 16:37:08 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Lisa,
You still xraywoman? What provider are you now?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 15:52:43 ET
Posted by: LG, across bridges of light
Hi angel-girl! Little things might matter later, indeed.
:-D
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 15:48:48 ET
Posted by: LisaG, South of Farmingdale
This just in from email:
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Hey Friends,
I wanted to let you know about a cool show I'm playing tonight out on Rt 110 in Farmingdale. It's a benefit for United Cerebral Palsy with the band Stealin' Dan. Come out if you can, and help support the cause!
The details for this show are included below.
All the best,
Mark
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Stealin' Dan <stealin@stealindan.com>
Date: June 21, 2007 3:37:49 PM EDT
To: stealindan@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Stealin' Dan] UCP Benefit Show TONIGHT! (6/21)
Reply-To: stealindan@yahoogroups.com
Hey Dan Fans,
Happy Summer to you all. Please join us tonight at the Crazy Donkey for "Rock Without Limits" featuring a full lineup of bands who have gathered together to support United Cerebral Palsy of Suffolk County.
Bands include Bad Medicine, Beginnings, Talk of the Town, Randy Jackson, and of course your favorite Steely Dan tribute band and mine, STEALIN' DAN.
The music starts at 5:50 and goes until well after midnight, more than worth the $25 cover. Come down and help us support this worthy cause!
STEALIN' DAN is scheduled to go on around 9pm. Please checkhttp://thecrazydonkey.com for the full roster.
This will be our last appearance for a couple of months, so if you can make it, please do! We look forward to seeing you there!
The Crazy Donkey is located at 1058 Rt 110, in Farmingdale NY, across from Republic Airport. Please call 631-753-1975 or go to http://thecrazydonkey.com for further details and directions.
All the best!
Stealin' Dan
http://stealindan.com
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 15:29:41 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan has 0 friends, .
They have two friends, according to the lyrics of a well known outtake. I guess neither of them has a myspace.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 15:08:28 ET
Posted by: Trusty "angel" girl viewing My Space,
But look at how many views the page has had...
Profile Views: 59334
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 15:05:20 ET
Posted by: angel,
There is just so much to love in the 21st Century Dan and The Plush is where I reconnected to them, so you just won't hear me diss their output. How could a fan just toss all that out? Parts of the whole that is Steely Dan and thank God they came back to give us new stuff.
Lisa G: Yes, those bridges! I have a copy of a post that had lines from Steely Dan songs that have sun references in them up on my door at work (from a post on The Yellow, many years ago). The one that usually ends up in my head is WASAM's bridge: "I'm thinking of a major Jane Street sunrise, the godess on the fire escape is you..."
Pixeleen's is steller, too.
Good to see you posting. :-)
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 14:59:05 ET
Posted by: The Final Frontier, ...
From SD's myspace page:
"Steely Dan has 0 friends."
Why is that amusing?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 14:55:30 ET
Posted by: Babs, at the grotto
Clean Willie: Yes. Wouldn't it be nice?
(Damn. ANOTHER nice new bridge.)
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 14:06:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Thanks lawgator for Black Cow
Love the Be Boop Daddy T shirt DF is wearing
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 13:30:32 ET
Posted by: myspace,
myspace.com/steelydan
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 13:25:12 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, .
or the Honey Drippers??
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 13:23:48 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, That Ditch out in the valley
Maybe D & W should assume aliases and find some young unknown/unestablished band as a vehicle to record their songs. A whole new generation could discover them without knowing it.
Great-Like the Traveling Wilbuys?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 11:55:18 ET
Posted by: Another thought, .
Maybe D & W should assume aliases and find some young unknown/unestablished band as a vehicle to record their songs. A whole new generation could discover them without knowing it.
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 06:29:46 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, France
Lisa, that is very true what you posted -
"If they made the same type/style of music as they did in the 70’s, it would sound and feel dated. Technology has put more demands on the songwriters and arrangers of today what with effects and layering. So much of what’s popular today has become a texture-fest and some of it is actually very creative. "
The problem for 21st century Dan is that musically they have to work a whole new miracle relating to a whole new ball game. So whatever they come up with will not bear any relationship to their game as it was in the 70's. As to "succeeding" in the industry, well - does anyone ever get lucky twice?
Date: Thurs, June 21, 2007, 01:14:41 ET
Posted by: LisaG, The room above your garage
Ben E.—Actually, no. I am not Lisa G. from Howard 100 News—I was originally on St. Al’s yellow book back in 2000 with this handle. (Wonder whose moniker came first?) It’s interesting to learn about her, though as she is also a musician, but unlike myself, she plays the violin. Thanks for the journalism nod. I’m not in any way, shape or form a writer/journalist. But if I ever want to change careers…
Crystal Balls—Let’s hope for Outcome B. I do love Fagen solo. But there is something missing without Becker. That said, Walter on a solo tour might find a niche, but I think Fagen would be a stitch more popular, maybe because he is a bit more prolific with output. Just my $.02.
Combover—(hahaha, where is the bald dude?) I have to agree with BillfromPgh that the newer stuff is far from missing groove/feel in the drums, and the intros are sweet. I think nowadays the song introductions are more to-the-point than perhaps in the past. In TvN, I agree that Donald’s voice lost some of its fire, but he got it back on EMG and quite rightly. The arrangements on both albums are snazzy, tasty and downright tickling.
I also agree with Kid Clean and Sunday in T.J.: I sam convinced that the problem that many of the folks who would rather the old stuff are having stems from just where they were in their lives when the first HEARD the old stuff. There is a quality that reflects the times, even in their wicked anti-mainstream hands. This modern world is also reflected in their newer stuff. Times change, man. Get with it or get left out--nostalgia, be damned.
Mike—it’s different because time has changed their approach. If they made the same type/style of music as they did in the 70’s, it would sound and feel dated. Technology has put more demands on the songwriters and arrangers of today what with effects and layering. So much of what’s popular today has become a texture-fest and some of it is actually very creative. (Most of it stinks from a songwriting perspective, but simplicity and banality tends to sell over sophistication.)
While I do agree that timelessness is a rare and beautiful quality, it is very difficult for one to re-create past magic—no matter who he is. The more current offerings represent a different kind of magic and I can totally dig it. When both the newer albums first came out, I wasn’t into either of them. But with time, the genius in writing and arranging has self-realized. I think one needs to step back and listen to the new Dan with relatively new ears.
Raj—there are times that I go nuts for the new bridges. My all-time favorite bridge is from TvN’s “What a Shame.” The bridges off the first two cuts of EMG are not too shabby, either. But Pixeleen is probably the best bridge out of them all with the title cut’s coming in second for me.
Why is it that some of their nicest melodies are so short?
Speaking of DVD-A’s making it for a person, I didn’t care for TvN until I took in the Plush video. I was riveted after having a ho-hum reaction to the album. I think we talked here about the album’s production being stone-cold. But that performance gave me a newfound love. I still remember exactly where I was when I first saw it. I now listen to the album with more open ears, but I hope I’m not filling in the soul that I experienced watching. Could be the crux of the biscuit right there with this entire discussion.
What do we feel when we listen? I think we feel a whole lot more than our brains would like us to believe.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 21:03:25 ET
Posted by: I Resemble That,
Monkey,it's Monkey already.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 20:43:02 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
No takers for the last Strainer?
"A recent post sort of maligned "Slang of Ages". But some might view it as the perfect "Walt" song and perhaps a standout as far as its certain uniqueness in the New Testament body of work. "Slang" also harkens back to such favorites as "Monkey" and another Old Testament tune from which there is a little five note, repeating "snippet" in "Slang's" chorus blended with the female backup singing from which it is most certainly derived."
HINT: The horn accompaniment used on the chorus in "Slang" is also "ear"-ily similar to that used on the chorus and some verse of that Old Testament tune in question....
HINT: Horn parts of the outro and the female backup vocal stylings are sonically very close to those used in the chorus of the tune in question can be heard in the chorus of "Slang" as well.
This question might have been used as a Brain "Hemorrhager". I wasted it? Oh well. Maybe the Blue is getting weaker, and some of the discerning listeners have gone onto other things, as was suggested by an Anon in an earlier post..
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 19:28:00 ET
Posted by: holycats, just to the left
I've gotta agree with Rajah on this one - KAMA didn't 'hit' me until the DVD-A. So, then, who knows the deal on the boxset? I read Aug 7 a few posts down...Did don forget to sign the first 100 or what?
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 18:24:18 ET
Posted by: To Lawgator,
That Black Cow clip is from a bootleg dvd of a full 2003 show. I bought it at a local mom and pop cd store. It's absolutely fabulous. The horn section is ridiculous, and Cornelius will blow your mind throughout the whole thing. I highly recommend you getting it.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 16:43:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Kama was very good, Tomorrow's Girls is such a fun melody and outrageously fanciful narrative. But it was only when the DVD-A came out that I really started digging this record. That process really did this one justice.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 16:07:38 ET
Posted by: Zembo, Fredneck, MD
Mr. Belz,
I LOVE Kamakiriad. This is my favorite of all the Fagen Solo works. Florida Room, Teahouse, and Springtime are my favs on there, but IMHO there is not a bad one there.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 15:36:47 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west
Mike from Ct very well said, the 70's dan will always be the best dan, i do love the newer stuff though and can appreciate that its from the new millenium,, i can accept that times and musical styles change and i find i enjoy both styles, though aja is the real deal as far as sd goes...... there is nothing wrong at all with 2vn and emg. Lyrically almost gothic is as good as anything theyve done IMO
another thing ...am i the only person who likes kamikiriad?? no one ever mentions this,,only nightfly and morph,, but i think florida room and teahouse are a coupla of don's better works ever !
PS I wish Lucca wasnt so damn far away !!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 15:12:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They do continue to develop as songwiters but I also agree they have an overall style that's much more sharply defined. Live especially. The knock has been that they're mailing it in, that's not what I see. I see them being very much in control and pacing themselves. Donald's not going to play the Rhodes with his elbows and Walter won't be seen playing guitar with his teeth. However I wouldn't mind if Carolyn and Cindy did a "Girls Gone Wild" move or two now and then. Just a suggestion.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 15:04:35 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
TvN and EMG don't "sound" like Aja in the sense that they are not recorded the same way, they sound like modern recordings not 70's era recordings. I think what was meant by finding a sound and sticking to it is that around Aja certain features of song structure and arrangement evolved that they've tended to keep: Walter became the primary guitar soloist, horn and backing vocal arranging styles crystalized, rhythm sections veered toward funk and R&B and away from "rock", distorted guitar tones were minimized (Peg and Third World Man being the only exceptions I can think of), etc. The stylistic change from Scam to Aja was greater than from Aja to Gaucho or from Aja to TvN or EMG.
As for abandoning expermentation, name one old testament song that resembles the title track of TvN in any way. Or Gaslighting (I hear distant echoes of Black Cow in it but that's just me). Or West of Hollywood. Or Slang.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:48:31 ET
Posted by: Milo, Off To See The Police
That video is from Pine Knob and widely disseminated.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:47:22 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
TJ, I was lost in admiration at the clear-headed ness of your last post, until I realised - 21st century SD records don't sound anything like Aja! So the argument that they found their sound and stuck with it doesn't work, IMHO.
Apart from that I think what you say about them developing "in real time" giving extra edge to the earlier records is very valid. These days they certainly seem to be sticking with some kind of sound, and it doesn't lack ambition, but maybe Don and Walt look back at those wired young guys who were putting their whole lives into making the early records and see a lot of suffering, and maybe they don't want to go back there if they can possibly help it. The trouble is, great albums seem to be paid for heavily by the artists - as George Harrison once said "we paid with our nervous systems". And look at him. And Macca.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:41:11 ET
Posted by: lawgator, I can't believe it got more humid, but it did
Great new video of the band on Youtube. A 2003 show, featuring Cornelius on "Black Cow." Wonder who filmed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY_FI9J1poQ
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:36:53 ET
Posted by: 2nd arr,
Doc Mu
How do you know the 18 second snip is the original erased version?
How do you know the full band version is a Wendelized Gadd?
Hiram Bullock seems to be the guitarist on the full band version, and wasn't it published in a Metal Leg interview that he was the guitarist on the erased version?
Would like to know any details you know. Thanks.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:34:29 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
1. I don't think one should underestimate that albums from the seventies in general tend to sound very charming and cozy - just like an old chair.
The paradox is that D+W soundwise probably would have preferred making albums now. As Jim Keltner said: back then there was no nuance in the recordings.
There is now. That means TAN and EMG may be able to show of Steely Dans vision of sound. Finally. But may also mean that they sound as if they didn't have to work hard to achieve the hi quality sound. Listening to the old stuff and knowing the history gives one a feeling of a band that was on the cutting edge of hifi every time.
So as one logically should prefer the new albums spotless production, one might actually prefer the old ones.
2. A difference could also be that in the seventies they were evolving, as said on the board. The were following music, selecting what they loved, experimenting and evolving as a band.
Today that development is over. (Donald: We got it right around Aja) They developed their style and sticked with it. Today satisfied with skilled contemporary musicians who've studied the big ones - like Keith C.
3. The lack of experimenting may be a good thing though. They certainly have developed a style no other band in the world is even remotely close to. That means they can focus solely on making great records - as they also have. The new Dan may therefor seem more static, but static can be good.
Better or worse that the early stuff? Depends on the weather.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:34:13 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
I don't buy this stuff about 3 years not being long enough to get into an album. I can think of plenty of albums I didn't like on the first few listens but within a few months at most I would have "got" them, if I was going to. I think EMG and TvN have had long enough to stand on their own merits by now. If the music world developed at anything like the rate it used to TvN would already "belong" to a past epoch.
...say, if nothing is going down and its the 1970's style stuff that satisfies the commercial demands on SD - hell, why don't they have another go at recording The Second Arrangement and all those other tasty out-takes they have stored away - maybe don't even need big recording costs for a lot of them as they seem to have some pretty cool versions down anyway. Seems like a pretty good idea for the kind of commercially-driven SD that we seem to be looking at? And maybe not such a bad idea for the hardcore fans either.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:15:32 ET
Posted by: Sunday in T.J.,
Being born in the 70's, I didn't get into the Dan until after they released Gaucho. In fact, Gaucho was the first album I bought, which is probably why, to this day, it's my favorite. On the other hand, many fans dislike Gaucho, but I think that has more to do with the lofty expectations it carried being the follow up to Aja.
In 10 to 20 years when a new fan "discovers" Steely Dan and buys up all their albums, it will be interesting to see their take on 20th vs. 21st century recordings. No anticipation, no expectations, they will be able to judge each recording on its own merit.
Most people equate a song/album with what was going on in their lives when they first got into it. It's way too soon to judge 2vN and EMG in that respect. Although at this point, I would put EMG (and Morph) in the top 5 SD albums. I think EMG (the song) is a true classic, a la Deacon Blues.
The Fagen boxed set was pushed back to August 7th.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 14:13:41 ET
Posted by: Jenbo, Fredneck, MD
ARGHHHHHHH. They have my money, too! They'd better put in a live DVD version of AJA from this tour. That might appease me....
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 13:24:21 ET
Posted by: It Could B…,
If Rikki Don't Lose That Number were on the box, we could have hypothesized that Victor Feldman's intro was left off again and the box was held back to swap out the culprit disc.
No, I think this is like Kama or MTC. One last week or two delay for unclear reasons.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 13:19:58 ET
Posted by: Combover, planet earth
Mike, CT... Spot on; nail on the head.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 13:06:45 ET
Posted by: we interrupt this boxed set...,
What could he possibly be doing to it? Or is this just a record company decision?
So they have my money, we had a deal and now, we don't.
That's bogus dude.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 13:02:51 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
So many comments. I'll just tackle them by subject.
No, TAN and EMG cannot hold up to their 70's works. I'm not going to dance around the issue by pulling out the indirectly defensive "But they're different" remark. So what if they're different? Point is, which is better? I'll take old Dan over new Dan. Do I like MTC? Yes, except for H Gang. How about TAN? Some of it. EMG? Sort of... What do I think of Aja? SHEER BRILLIANCE. Katy Lied? GENIUS. etc. etc. It has nothing to do with the amount of years to 'digest' the music; it has to do with the simple observation that one side of their work represents classic, genius songwriting which just so happened to also personify sonic perfection, back when Don & Walt were studio perfectionists, whereas the other half just doesn't compare in any way.
Songs like FM, Home At Last, Reeling In The Years, et al., in and of themselves, are better than the sum total of their latter day works. Hypothetically, if I was put in a situation where I was forced to choose between the ability to listen to FM (yes, just that one song) for the rest of my life or their latest CDs, I'd go for the former: I can live without TAN & EMG, but don't want to lose FM.
As for EMG, it doesn't matter to me that it was recorded on analog-to-digital with live sessions. The music doesn't hold up. Bach would love Pixeleen?? Somebody must be smoking some funky dope. Green Book is a good song, certainly not as good as The Caves of Altamira, but it's acceptable for what it's worth. Lunch With Gina is a fun tune, but it's not about to replace Peg. EMG is ok but not in the same league as a Deacon Blues. The sax solos in DB, Caves, Dr Wu, et al. demolish anything Wespikoff's ever done.
The older Dan is more interesting, emotional, dark, foreboding, risqué, like a photo album, songs which attained their perfection long ago and continue to shine with even greater brilliance today in contrast with the creatures of the commonplace, e.g. Celine Dion (Ugh!), The Balck Eyed Peas (Pathetic! PA-THE-TIC!), Fall Out Boy (Atrocious!), and so on.
I'll never, ever tire of great music like FM, The Bear, Any Major Dude Will Tell You, and so many other great SD tunes. I'm thankful that albums like MTC are still being produced. But nothing can match 70's era SD. The end.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 12:35:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, c'mon, Aja is clearly and indisputably their most polished and fully realized work, timeless, epic and poetic. I guess they think so too or we'd have a "Making of Gaucho" documentary. They've played every song from it live. It would be quite a coups to present it in its entirety and original order live at a really classy venue like Avery Fisher Hall. Or Carnegie Hall, which, if you've never been, for my money, makes the music larger than life. A spiritual and sensual experience like no other. Goosebumps. For that I'd clamber over the decaying carcasses of my ancestors as well as mortgage the homestead for.
But the listening and buying public have spoken clearly over these almost 30 years, you may dig your Royal Scam, your EMG but without question, it's Aja by a length.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 12:25:29 ET
Posted by: This Just In, via email from DonaldFagenOfficialStore
The Nightfly Trilogy, which was to ship this Friday to those who preordered is delayed to some furture date.
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Dear Fans,
Thank you for pre-ordering the Donald Fagen Trilogy Box Set, which was scheduled to ship to you this Friday for a release next Tuesday. The release date is being changed to an as yet unconfirmed date. As soon as we have further information, we will send you another email with details. We apologize for the delay.
Thanks,
Donald Fagen Official Store
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 11:58:35 ET
Posted by: ,, .
A Thought - You thought wrong.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 11:42:01 ET
Posted by: been here, done that,
Lawgator,
We still have our share of squabbles and will continue to do so. It's just that the fair weather tour contingent has left for more fertile pastures.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 11:36:54 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Humidity-central
First thought: What's everyone got on their Ipods besides SD and Fagan solowork? For me, a wide variety comprised of such tunes as Baba O'Reilly (The Who), I Only Have Eyes for You (The Flamingoes, 1959), Take Five (Brubeck), Too Shy (Kajagoogoo), Lido (Boz Skaggs), The Crunge (Zeppelin), and I Know What Boys Want (Bow Wow Wow).
Second thought: Did everyone up their meds on here lately? I am not seeing the usual pointless hostility I became accusomed to over the last year or so. Perhaps my listing of Too Shy along with I Only Have Eyes for You will cause someone to melt down and scream at me relentlessly.
Waiting,
LG
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 11:25:59 ET
Posted by: A thought, .
As the most commercially successful and mainstream of their albums, it's understandable that Aja was chosen for dissection in the Classic Albums documentary and now the Breithaupt book. But there's other stuff in their catalog I would rather have seen get this treatment. Namely Royal Scam, Gaucho and Nightfly, all of which I've always felt were more interesting and a better listen.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 11:13:31 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
That's pretty well the way it happened Craig. We made a beeline for the main doors turned right on Broadway, turned right on 75th and halfway down the block was the door. Great fun can't wait to do it again.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 10:57:12 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Doc Mu
I think you'll find the drummer on the snippet of Second Arrangement is Ed Greene - as I understand it the late and great JP didn't play on it at all - happy to accept evidence tho'
As for 20th v 21st Century Dan - Morph and EMG - born from the same parent - GROOVE AND MORE GROOVE - a sort of R&B and blues verison of SD - EMG is my fave of all their work.
TvN - an updated combination of AJA, GAUCHO AND SCAM IMHO - takes elements and mixes them up - mostly Gaucho of course
The great thing is that every one is substantially different apart from EMG and MTC
Personally I love EMG, and AJA - is one better than the other - doubt it - they are just different.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 10:34:10 ET
Posted by: Betty, back stage door
Craig B, - I think I can answer that question for the ladies.
When the show ended, they walked 15 feet out the exit of the Beacon and proceeded to the stage door.
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 10:26:12 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Happy Birthday Jazzman! Looking forward to Saturday.
Fife and Sam
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 10:18:36 ET
Posted by: Zembo, Fredneck, MD
Happy Birthday to Jazzman!
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 09:20:05 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Back Stage Betty's
I'm still wondering how you guys got to the stage door without missing any of the show? Care to share?
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 08:20:53 ET
Posted by: Newark, Back 40
great posts, creatures of habit. Brainstrainer, oh my aching brain (with twirloftongue). I'm trying, but I usually don't yet another oversimplified analyses--but in good spirit, I try and try, wearing out everyflippinSDrecording I've got. But I am concerned for you, BS: I suggest a product to aid what I suspect is a case of missquirted Fixadent. The product is from Scherer Laboratories--ERO Ear Drops. Very effective.
Did anyone post this review? If so, sorry. Ties in, or it's a fugue-i-fied. Fun "Sound Effects" section--neat George Harrison blog moment (free membership required) or whatever.
http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2007/05/31/steely_dan_fills_need_for_deep_70s_fusion/
Food/Music Section (is there any division line?)
Maybe album of the year? For jangled nerves--exploration of very heavy/hypered site with interesting tracklistings/listens.
http://www.songsforicecreamtrucks.com/
How does this tie into Steely? Hmmm. Well, I've been reflecting upon some of the physique descreeps of our heroes, and I think that they need to UP their calcium--DAILY. Calcium is so necessary and utilized so thoroughly by the body, needed especially as a brain chemical, that stressful conditions can actually create a bit of reversal or depletion, etc. In other words, it's okay to eat icecream again, kids--maybe while listening to (above-referenced) Icecream Truck songs. Let's start with a meek 600 mg. daily for our band work build it up to 1000-1200 needed DAILY!
Dr. Weil, I think it was him, suggests an even schedule of supplemental doses taken at night, e.g., along with a few tablespoons of yogurt or food source. Rest well, and sweet dreams. hugs, Nwk
Date: Wed, June 20, 2007, 00:11:05 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
For the last Brain Strainer:
HINT: The horn accompaniment used on the chorus in "Slang" is also "ear"-ily similar to that used on the chorus of that Old Testament tune in question....
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 23:44:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Slang: "Show me where I turn."
Daddy: Lucy still like her coke & rum."
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 23:16:14 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
A recent post sort of maligned "Slang of Ages". But some might view it as the perfect "Walt" song and perhaps a standout as far as its certain uniqueness in the New Testament body of work. "Slang" also harkens back to such favorites as "Monkey" and another Old Testament tune from which there is a little five note, repeating "snippet" in "Slang's" chorus blended with the female backup singing from which it is most certainly derived.
Name that tune.
Difficulty level is prolly about a 5.5.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 22:50:37 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
It was Gaslighting Abbie. Hey were are you going? Sit back down lol
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 22:48:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Greenbook, couched in an absolutely haunting scale; Pixeleen, such a melody Johan Sebastian Bach would envy; and Gina, James Brown or Tina Turner would sound great covering; these are all homeruns on EMG. As good as anything they ever did.
TvN boasts masterpieces Negative Girl, West of Hollywood, Almost Gothic, Abbie, the title cut.
And the bridges to everything on these two 21st century offerings are enough to keep my old UCLA Music Theory professoress in wrapped wonder. She put a smiley face sticker on my B+ report card. She was hard to please.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 22:04:56 ET
Posted by: 21st century skits man, elsewhere
21st century dan - a little more word play / groove
a little less melodic /poetic
a little more trying to be clever
(then again look at the fluff McCartney just put out
self importance eats away at a legacy - the guy needs a critcal producer and a lot of editing
they said best record since Band on the Run
actually that was Venus and Mars the following year)
as for the Dan
TvN great
EMG first half inconsistent
Morph - recalls heights of Nightfly
combine in edit EMG and Morph
pure magic
and you have a classic rivaling any 70s output
cut Blues Beach, Slang, Last Mall
combine with the back end of Morph
shake, stir and enjoy
it's stellar
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 21:44:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I've now consulted all my modes of divination and brought to bear all my not inconsiderable powers of augury on this before Mercury goes retrograde and my instrumentation goes on the fritz. The Rajah has spun like a dervish, deciphered the I-Ching sticks and read in the entrails of an owl that the Steely Dan show will go on for as long as these two are breathing. They're only around 60, isn't that the new...42? I see them expanding their fanbase by this overseas tour. No, they're not Sting or Macca or the Stones or even the detested Eagles(yeech!) but neither are they ain't chopped liver. Somebody said that they've found out where they sell and where they don't on this tour. Could ya get more specific, whip it on us, tell us what you mean. I gather the suburban areas of Boomerdom lead the charge in bringing the tush to the cush for them to push?
Right now they are a touring machine. Yeah, the one-set shows are something of a disappointment as to format but I haven't heard anyone complain about Don's pipes much lately. Maybe they found the formula.
Funny what Don said to the people getting up for a brewski run during Janie Runaway, was it? Reminds me of that old Carol Lombard, Jack Benny movie about a Polish Shakespearean troupe before the blitzkrieg called, To Be Or Not To Be, when a young Robert Stack gets up to go backstage and make love to Benny's wife every night he goes into the seminal sililoquy in Hamlet. It irks Benny no end.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 21:29:23 ET
Posted by: john, nyc
go to freedom hill's website where the dan played in detroit there are many pictures.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 20:33:57 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Crystal and Raj couldn't agree with you more. Add also the fact that their manager is the Eagles manager. How many tours have they done? Besides Fagen seems to love performing live. I think we'll see a few more solo tours from him but Don not next year, we need to replenish the pot!
I'm in the green if anyone is interested.
Fife
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 20:03:15 ET
Posted by: InfoSeeker, .
Read on the SD newsgroup that Larry Klein co-wrote all songs on WB's new one.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 19:48:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I pretty much agree with HeyMike.
BTW: HeyMike, we discussed the meetup on the Milwaukee Danfest list today.
Jim
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 19:35:54 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, That ditch out in the valley
Is 20th century Dan better than 21st Century Dan, that is the question. I think the answer to that is.....no, they are merely different. Is everyone taking into account that we've had 27 years to 'digest' and disect Gaucho, 30 years for Aja, etc. and only 7 years for TvN? And only 4 years for EMG (4 years already!?!?!) We've barely cut out teeth on TvN in the grand scope of things. I enjoy the discussion and just thought I'd though that in there.
KC
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Yeah, But I cant get past what these lyrics and melodies have meant to me over the years. It's difficult for me to peel that all away and rate them, one over another. Plus, this stuff is incredibly timeless.
My 2 piasters.
ps-KC where's the Summerfest meet and/or Danfest??
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 18:52:30 ET
Posted by: Mr. Steely Dan, the magnificent one
I run with a quieter crowd, I eat green vegetables, take my blood pressure medicine and watch the Food Channel. I have family and pets. Sometimes I do look back at the old days and wonder how I survived it all. That Katy chick almost done me in. Hoops McCann ended up in the hoos-gow and Josey got some disease. Don and Walt take me out every now and then and we take it to the people. Older, a few surficial cracks here and there, but wiser. I'm still the one.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 17:08:55 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
BillfromPgh:
The only remnant that survived the original Second Arrangement is a 15 sec snippet with Jeff Porcaro on live drums. Jeff puts together another version of his patented shuffle, similar to Boz Scaggs' Miss Sun.
there's a demo with different lyrics + the Wendelized Steve Gadd version that sounds a little flat. I'd bet the Porcaro full band version was spectacular
Have to agree that TvN is harmonically sophisticated and complex in its multilayered voices in communication.
EMG is Dan LIVE in the studio...more or less. Some of the arrangements haven't been flushed out as much as a typical Dan album. TvN mines heavily the 50s Cool Jazz vein, while EMG rests on 40s blues/jazz pre-rock. Emphasis on EMG is more of Fagen and background vocals than instrumentation. Back half of EMG is just a party.
Nightfly and Morph are IMO equal or better than most of the Dan discography. Morph features stupendous guitar work, particularly on Security Joan and Brite Nitegown. The Night Belongs to Mona and Great Pagoda of Funn find Fagen's songwriting abilities peaking again.
I think there's more left in the tank, but not necessarily in the studio as Steely Dan.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 16:04:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
<< and not sound like they couldn't wait to go off and fill in their invoices. >>
<<Hmmmm.
Jazzman, Is this what you "hear" when listening to carlock, barney, washington, baker, herrington, leonhart (x2), etc. on the new(er) albums?>>
No, I just meant that, on the contrary, these guys didn't sound like they were going through the motions. Not to say that the later musicians are, but the feel is different. For example, I have read on this board how people feel that Keith Carlock isn't stretched in the studio. I can't say the same seems to be true for the earlier guys. In a lot of cases some of them gave some of their best work.
In "The Making Of Aja", the point was made that they looked for musicians to see what they could bring to the song. They had listened to these guys, liked them, and wondered what they would be good on, what they would shine on, to quote Gary Katz. A lot of LC's work with the Dan is a lot better than some of his solo efforts.
I think what we are hearing in the early albums is Donald and Walter on a voyage of discovery as from one album to the next they begin to evolve as musicians, songwriters and arrangers.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 15:43:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Mr. Steely Dan back in the day was a dark, dangerous and solitary young man with no steady girl and a penchant for fucking up. Constantly searching for a new high only to come crashing back to earth into a heep of doo-doo. He lived in the shadows, cavorted with unsavory people, kept secret sorrows. And the fact they didn't tour back them made this guy even scarrier. His creators, who were they, what demonic brew did they conjure up in those dark and musty old studios? I still like to think of Don as Dr. Frankenstein and Walt as Igor. The former inserting a bolt into the monster's neck while the latter searches the lab for a brain marked Abbie Normal. And the monster they created? You know who...
That Dan is no more.
Over, they now wheel Dan around the produce aisle, up and down elevators, they take him to the Toledo Zoo and desert casinos, they show up and receive awards and make acceptance speeches. They guest host smooth jazz radio shows. They're big stars. Steely Dan's name is bandied about in movies, he endures getting poked fun at by a younger generation who has made him poster boy for antiquated art-rock, more like old fart-rock that all sounds the same and goes nowhere. There goes another song with the mu chords.
Then there's that Bluebook, all those geeks alternately praising and criticizing every move. Yeah, those whiners are a total pain in the ass but, dagnabbit, when they drag themselves out to an Indian Casino in the middle of nowhere, more like the edge of nowhere, in January or the umpteenth remaster comes out they are all over it. Ka-ching, gotta love that. They even still have Stage Door Betties, a tad older but not unappealing.
Life, in short, is good these days for our hero. The days of Recluse Dan are over, the Lone Ranger and Zorro have pulled off their mask to reveal two lunchpail middle aged guys with potbellies and sagging shoulders who are good enough and lucky enough to have this enduring success.
A 10th Steely Dan record in the far-flung future, why not? More touring, why not? Pack it all in, join a quilting circle, keep bees in Sussex as Sherlock Holmes once threatened, go gently into that goodnight and what, give up show biz? Now what would be the point of that? Plus they did that already. It didn't work out.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 14:52:11 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
In defense of EMG and TvN:
>Compared to pre Gaucho, in general, post Gaucho songs are lacking:
>1) Melodic guitar solos.
For one example, West of Hollywood has one of Walter's all time great solos. In concert he handed off part of it to Jon, but I still often rewind (or the CD equivalent) to hear it twice when playing the studio version in the car. Admittedly there are some tossed-off solos that WB could have done more with, or Jon or another session player could have improved on (Dupree in particular). What you don't hear much any more is dirty guitar tones a la Reelin or DTMA. I think that's what a lot of old fans miss. Herrington does this style just fine in concert.
>2) Drumming with a great groove/feel.
Anything with KC on it has a great groove/feel to me. Gina, Godwhacker, Slang and Green Book come to mind without much thought. All the newer material beats the hell out of Wendell for my .02
>3) Arrangements that sound like a lot of time was spent honing them.
Gaslighting Abbie is one of the more harmonically complex tunes they have ever written/arranged, and it works.
Negative Girl - not a note out of place.
The EMG arrangements are more organic and less fussed-over, as they were done by a real live band, closer to CTE than any other studio effort. Still very effective arrangments. Godwhacker, Pixeleen, Green Book, EMG all tightly arranged with plenty of detail, especially in the keys and horns.
>4) Great intros
Jack of Speed! How many guitar parts did Walter layer on that one? I love how it builds starting with the Wurlitzer, then each instrument sneaks in until the horns and guitar kick into the riff.
Green Book has a great slinky intro featuring the organ over dissonant chords, easily the equal of My Rival or Royal Scam in spookiness.
>5) A certain passion/animation/fire in Donald’s voice.
Here I think there has been more humor/satire than passion in the post-Gaucho material, but I hear some passion/desperation in West of Hollywood, Things I Miss, Everything Must Go, What a Shame About Me and more.
As to Walter's changing role, both our boys leaned toward the robotic rhythm sections in their respective solo outings Kama and 11TOW. Donald departed from it on Morph and I certainly hope Keith's presence on Walt's new one is a good sign. Whoever thinks Walter has hung up his sardonic pen hasn't listend to 11TOW. Personally, I think he is the superior lyricist only by comparing Donald's solo stuff to SD. For instance, I speculate that he would have suggested to Donald that Mona probably isn't feeling all that pretty while mood-swinging wildly in her high-rise - dangerous, despondent, reckless, but not pretty - that lyric doesn't work for me. I believe Walt's the detail guy in lyrics, Don is the romantic. Of course this is from nothing more than my imagination and observation of their respective interviews and prose writings. As the movie sez, what the bleep do I know?
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 13:38:28 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Doh!!
Make that 'throw that in there'
KC
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 13:36:29 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @ work
Is 20th century Dan better than 21st Century Dan, that is the question. I think the answer to that is.....no, they are merely different. Is everyone taking into account that we've had 27 years to 'digest' and disect Gaucho, 30 years for Aja, etc. and only 7 years for TvN? And only 4 years for EMG (4 years already!?!?!) We've barely cut out teeth on TvN in the grand scope of things. I enjoy the discussion and just thought I'd though that in there.
KC
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 13:10:46 ET
Posted by: Combover, planet earth
Compared to pre Gaucho, in general, post Gaucho songs are lacking:
1) Melodic guitar solos.
2) Drumming with a great groove/feel.
3) Arrangements that sound like a lot of time was spent honing them.
4) Great intros
5) A certain passion/animation/fire in Donald’s voice.
That doesn’t mean they’re not brilliant.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 12:53:05 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
<< and not sound like they couldn't wait to go off and fill in their invoices. >>
Hmmmm.
Jazzman, Is this what you "hear" when listening to carlock, barney, washington, baker, herrington, leonhart (x2), etc. on the new(er) albums?
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 12:13:42 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
I agree with Mike. I have to say I much prefer the older material, Gaucho and before, to the later stuff. Not to say that the later stuff is bad, but it doesn't reach out to me in the same way. The older songs defined them. The way the songs were constructed, the way they were played by the Larry Carlton's, the Bernard Purdie's, the Chuck Rainey's, who all seemed to wrap themselves around the songs and not sound like they couldn't wait to go off and fill in their invoices.
You can say I've gotten older, they've gotten older and things change because life changes you, and maybe that has reflected itself in their writing, but there was something about that early stuff, the fact that I could easily play all of their albums from CBAT right through, over and over without ever tiring of hearing them, and still can. Sadly I can't say that about 2vN and EMG.
Again, I guess it's personal preference.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 08:16:41 ET
Posted by: C Willie, someone talk me out of this...
Hello all, in a pit of despondency due to recent hospitalisation which leaves me on crutches for the two European SD dates I am going to, but more importantly feeling very irritated at the moment by the monotonous rock beats on TvN - came back to check in here and found pertinent recent discussion around the Gaucho outtakes.
No doubt, one of the great qualities of old-testament Dan was that the musical vision was supreme: everything, including the rhythm section, wrapped itself around the details of the song, the whole thing could turn on a sixpence, in a way that just doesn't happen in groove-based stuff including lots of cuts on TVN and EMG (altho EMG is better in this regard, methinks). Meanwhile, the lyrical vision has become less satirical, more personal - more in need of a sensitive approach to the music, whereas in fact the opposite has happened.
Why has this happened? My theory: According to Brian Sweet's SD biography, which although clunky to read is nevertheless laudably factual, WB had to go into recovery around/after Gaucho. He chilled out, cleaned up, and went to live in a nice sunny place. At the same time, he completely repudiated the painstaking SD production process: apparently inspired by Rickie Lee Jones he got into a much more laid back style. Groovy. 4 in the bar. I'm not an authority on the oeuvre of La Lee Jones but I can't help feeling that WB is a born-again groover. That "confessions" interview where they're both in a cab, the extra disk with EMG - remember WB saying of EMG: "It's a dance record, man" and kind of going into an excited spasm. Was I the only one to find that a bit embarassing?
I see WB as the more "serious" thinking musician - DF is the more lyrical, melodic, natural musician of the two. Morph, for instance, is full of great music comedy and beautiful bittersweet insights: WB's old-testament Dan role was to tie that talent into some seriously spiky, satirical purpose, and the result was utter greatness. Whatever WB went through circa Gaucho seems to have burnt him out on that front. Nowadays, his guitar playing is as great as ever but where is his dark, agonised, soul?
Here are my concerns: Has the successful experiment with disco satire on Gaucho somehow made new-testament SD think that they can satirise modern music by putting a "repetitive beat" on it? Or, worse, is WB a prey to that most common of middle-aged comeback muso disorders - the hope that by putting a "dance beat" on everything you might connect with the "contemporary market"? Or am I wrong? If so please someone explain why...
(I hate to post such negative stuff. I still rate EMG and TvN above 99% of everything else - but it's tough at the top, as they say.)
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 06:52:26 ET
Posted by: Crystal Balls, Mystical Seaport
Well, I say it will go down one or both, or parts of two ways.
Outcome A is that this is the farewell tour for the duo, the last major money grab, the last overseas tour. They are at the point now of "overexposure". The money will be used for Walt to put out his record, possibly in 2008. I think the reason we don't see the record is because of the tour and the inability to get a record deal. The recording business has changed, they are no longer going to subsidize "fringe" genre like classical, new age, and unfortunately Steely Dan. They want the sure sales, the flavor of the the month, the gimmick, the image, the idol etc.
Outcome B is that if there is a tenth Steely Dan record, which would be an excellent career capper, it will be in 2010. It might come out as timed-release songs or a web download (see Outcome A). I doubt they will promote it with a tour, and if so the stops will be at their strongholds. One thing this tour did was to show where they can sell and where they can't.
A virtual certainty is that we will continue to see product and shows out of Fagen regardless of what happens to Steely Dan. He has been won't to put out singles and videos and he likes to perform.
Don is pretty good on his own (better?) and Steely Dan is pretty much HIS sound with Walt embellishment. For that reason, the Steely Dan sound will be around for as long as Fagen walks the earth, whereas we might have seen the last of Steely Dan on tour or as an entity.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 06:01:31 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
To each his own. The outtakes have more thoughtful harmonies and melodies, better arrangements (the semi-finished ones anyway) and overall 'feel' than most everything since TAN. That's not to say I don't like TAN -- I do -- but in general there's something better about their older works, a vibe which the latter day session musicians can't hold a candle to. In 100% honesty, if forced to choose between both TAN and EMG or any single one of these songs: Babylon Sisters, Glamour Profession, FM, Josie, Peg, Doctor Wu, The Caves of Altamira, et al., I'd pick the latter without any hesitation. Why? Because I'm more fond of those songs. Once again, to each his own. I enjoy them, perhaps for much different reasons than you do, but it doesn't make me any less of a fan just because I'm not falling head over heels for their latest works.
Date: Tues, June 19, 2007, 05:23:05 ET
Posted by: wow, ain't too proud to brag
sweet dahlin', eh?
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 21:37:45 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Breithwhatever? Thought I'd seen 'em all! : )
Plugs of the day:
>>> recently posted by a reader at amazon.com >>>
Brilliant, comprehensive, entertaining. Finally, a piece of writing worthy of Steely Dan. Don Breithaupt tells the inside story of the making of this classic through exclusive interviews with Fagen and many of the major players. He places Aja in the context of the Dan catalogue, of pop culture, even songwriting history. He expertly deconstructs lyrics, chord patterns, instrumentation, gives us insider studio details, making-of stories, and does it in engaging -- often hilarious -- language. Casual readers will be engrossed. Serious musicians will reference it over and over. And Becker & Fagen fanatics will get the answer to the question so many of them ask: How the hell did they DO that?
>>> recently posted by a reader at amazon.ca >>>
This is a MUST for Steely Dan fans! It's got a ton of behind-the-scenes detail (thanks partly to Donald Fagen, who was interviewed for the book), really thorough analysis of the words and music, plus info on the album's influences, musicians and larger importance. Bonus marks for great features like a recommended listening list, musical glossary, credits & list of cover versions of Aja songs. I thought I knew everything about this record, but I didn't know half of this stuff! The book has brought me closer to what was already one of my desert island discs...
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TITLE: Aja
AUTHOR: Don Breithaupt
ISBN: 0826427839
PUBLISHER: Continuum
LIST PRICE: $10.95 USD
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 21:06:03 ET
Posted by: NTXP, .
This is a little too technical for me, but perhaps it explains the crappy sound at the beacon.
http://www.lsionline.co.uk/news/story.asp?ID=-E9ISP6
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 18:18:34 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Speculation...next dan album,spring 2009-tour summer 2009...68 show's between boston and new york alternating 3 day weekends,i will need 6 tuxedo's,cash donations welcome...fezzie
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 17:49:05 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
around two against nature, someone here or on the yellow predicted that the next album would be in 2003, and they were right.
any predictions for the next one? i'm goanna say 2010.
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 17:38:07 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Agree with Bill from PA...GP has always been a skipper for me (except once when dancing with a beauty to the tune!). Disagree about Dupree, I think it shows they've still got the knack for a good pop tune, and it's got a great groove. Personally, I think Gina is one of the overlooked gems...thought it could actually get some airplay.
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 16:36:59 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Mike - your post is further proof that all DanFans are not alike. Frankly, in my humble and purely personal opinion, Glamour Profession ranks near the bottom of all SD output and until I heard it live, was one of the few songs I'd sometimes skip over. Why? Probably the near-disco beat and the associations it conjurs to this nearly 50 year old who endured the Saturday Night Fever era. Live, the song becomes more interesting, to me at least. The Second Arrangement, at least in the attempted recreation version that circulates, is in the same vein to me, mostly because of a monotonous rhythm section. As far as I know, the first full-band version was wiped in its entirety by a klutzy assistant engineer and no copies survived.
I have heard the outtakes you refer to and some would have probably been the basis for decent official recordings, but none of them grab me as equal or superior to anything official (except, ironically, some of the real early demos pre CBAT which could have easily fit on that LP in the first incarnation of the band but not later - Brain Tap Shuffle, Yellow Peril, Come Back Baby.) Kulee Baba and Mr. Sam admittedly have potential. Can't Write Home isn't bad, would fit on Katy Lied, I think. Never heard "The Bear."
Also, I'm a big fan of the two new-century Dan CDs and put them up against the "old testament" with the possible exception of the three poppy, mainstream singles Dupree, Last Mall and Blues Beach, all decent but disposable. (Yes, I am aware that large chunks of 2vN, EMG, Kama and 11TOW feature drumming that is more monotonous than the above referenced disco-oid tracks, but they don't push my anti-disco buttons the same way for some reason).
My opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. I'm just glad our boys are still making music in 2007, which is more than anyone would have predicted in, say, 1990. That said, Don & Walt oughta play Dr. Wu already!!
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 15:52:59 ET
Posted by: Tervor, UK
To King Richard - King Richard asked if are there any "good" books out there written about steely dan. The new one by Don B would be "good". The Sweet one? Nah.
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 15:00:49 ET
Posted by: To King Richard,
Scroll down this page to Sunday, April 15, 2007 and through Friday, April 13, 2007.
You'll see discussion and debate of Brian Sweet's biog of Steely Da. That book came out around 1994. New edition more recently around 2004. A mini book of the same material but abridged, from 1999 also.
That should explain things.
And of course, check out the 33-1/3 book on "Aja" by Don Breithwhatever that was discussed yesterday. Sounds awesome.
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 14:50:28 ET
Posted by: king richard, funway west
hey danfans,,, are there any good books out there written about steely dan,, soem sorta history of the band, bio type thing??
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 13:52:33 ET
Posted by: Mike,
I remember coming to this site way back when it first opened. Although the bootlegs of their studio demos & outtakes are widely available, to this date I've never heard anybody come out with the version of Second Arrangement that used to be available for download under 'Demo Soundbite'. I actually had the clip on my old PC but it broke down a few years ago and there was no way to retrieve it.
Another (less) interesting thing to note is how quickly the torrents of the outtakes come and go. Perhaps Don & Walt are really paranoid about people *GASP! HORROR!* hearing anything that's not offically released material, eevn though (and this is personal conjecture) many of their Gaucho outtakes are in fact superior to most of the material that made the final version and far & away superior to anything TAN and EMG have to offer ...except Almost Gothic, of course. Songs like The Bear, Second Arrangement, Kulee Baba, and I Can't Write Home About You are harmonically more interesting/sophisticated, have better lyrics, cooler arrangements, et al.
(Glamour Profession is still one of the best songs ever written.)
On a last note, there's such a wide variety of outtakes, it makes me curious as to who has access to what, how they gained access in the first place, and makes me wonder if the Second Arrangement, as well as the others, do in fact really exist in studio quality renderings but are kept in private collections only, because it makes the owner(s) feel empowered (enlightened?) above the rest of the fans. *sigh*
Date: Mon, June 18, 2007, 09:41:44 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Steely Moment
Kickin’ back yesterday, reading Harlan Coben’s "The Woods" ,pg. 353, It mentions " cassettes tapes from groups like Steely Dan"
It just made my day
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 20:21:35 ET
Posted by: Thank you, Denise
Not knowing if they were going to make it back to the west coast had to catch the 3 shows at the beacon.Saw Don and walt as they walked to there limos but donald looked so tired I didnt want to snap a picture of him.He waved people clapped and yelled thank you Donald.I put the pictures up hopeing people on the Blue would enjoy them.
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 20:02:56 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
SDfan07: thanks for the photos...some nice ones there!
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 19:04:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Ah this time last week I was already packed and anxiously waiting for the morning to come so I could jump on the bus and see the Boy's for the last time this tour. Dan addiction is a powerful thing.
Happy Father's Day to all you lads out there that have kids. Hope you got some great goodies!
Anyone up for a Sunday night chat, say around 9pm. I'll be there.
Fife
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 18:44:18 ET
Posted by: The Beacon 6-11-07, New York
http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb118/SDfan07/
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 14:48:34 ET
Posted by: Chan, Porch and Couch Watching Golf
Happy Fathers Day!
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 12:59:58 ET
Posted by: Another bald guy, o
I just saw six Steely Dan concerts this tour. What great fun!
After thinking about it, I realized that I enjoyed the Fagen solo tour last March even more! It was so nice to hear "The Good-Bye Look", "Snowbound", "New Frontier",etc. What a breath of fresh air!
Here's to another DF solo tour, cheers!
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 12:25:57 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks L and Hoops
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 12:09:12 ET
Posted by: hoops,
The author of the book wrote in the Dandom Digest:
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From: Don Breithaupt <donbreithaupt@rogers.com>
Subject: REDUX: New "Aja" Book Published
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:31:12 -0400
The just-published volume 46 of Continuum's ever-popular 33-1/3 series is about Aja, and was written by yours truly. It's now in stores in the U.S., U.K. and Canada, and at major online retailers.
The book includes a detailed interview I did with Donald Fagen in NYC last June. Book specs:
TITLE: Aja
AUTHOR: Don Breithaupt
ISBN: 0826427839
PUBLISHER: Continuum
LIST PRICE: $10.95 USD
AMAZON PRICE: $8.76 USD
Best,
Don
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Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 12:09:06 ET
Posted by: LXDX, .
"Steely Dan's Aja "
by Don Breithaupt
Price: $10.95
ISBN: 0826427839
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 12:03:35 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
LX or anybody
What is the title of the Aja book again?
Thanks
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 11:56:34 ET
Posted by: LXDX, .
I ordered the Aja book at Borders last week. They sent me an email saying if it wasn't in by today, it's free. I went in today to pick it up, and it's not in. Would much rather have paid for it and be reading it right now.
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 11:49:55 ET
Posted by: Ben E., Islip
Lisa G:
Would you happen to be the Lisa G. of Howard 100 News?
I mean what with all your journalistic quality writings and such, I mean you never know. Right?
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 11:19:09 ET
Posted by: Grog, NY
Oh I forgot stumbled on I believe 5 songs from that Ollabelle Fagen Snow concert at you tube....key in steely dan and starting on about the 20th page or so you get them..worth viewing in my book..
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 11:18:29 ET
Posted by: Grog, NY
Oh I forgot stumbled on I believe 5 songs from that Ollabelle Fagen Snow concert at your tube....key in steely dan and starting on about the 20th page or so you get them..worth viewing in my book
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 11:14:28 ET
Posted by: Grog, NY
Yes the Ollabelle Fagen show was a good one...went with some friends,,great place to see a show very cozy..anyway Phoebe Snow was amazing....Donald performed approx 5 songs with Phoebe and Ollabelle.....Dirty work I remember as being one of the more memorable...Saw The Dan in Wallingford..great show,,wished I could have seen another...hey will they be back in '08??..or a bit of a rest for the weary...oh what really helped in the Ollabelle show was having Herrington there ripping off all the traditional Dan licks.
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 10:35:02 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Back on the outside
That was an amazing show indeed, Fife. But the weather, I could have done without. I thoroughly enjoyed Ollabelle too, although the music was not my cup of java. Really wonderful musicians.
Hey kids...if anyone is interested in audio tape restoration processes, this site is a good read, plus there are links to related information. I found this page particularly interesting:
http://www.sonicraft.com/A2DX/tape_baking.html
I know Steve personally and yes he is a Danfan of the highest caliber. Makes sense, no? If anyone from the northeast has tapes they would like restored, he is the man to call.
Katy lied from a day of water vapor. She really did. Could baking have saved the session tapes? They had to be somewhat tainted before the recording actually took place and even during the first day. Reading Denny Dias' article (http://steelydan.com/dennys3.html) points to pieces of the soundscape missing. I think the sonicraft page explains these deteriorization processes quite well.
Whether or not this topic has been hashed and rehashed, this is a good read for the layperson. :-)
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 10:32:38 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, hot licks and rhetoric
Allen Toussaint, who performed just ahead of Steely Dan on the Acura Stage at the New Orleans Jazz Fest, wrote and produced the Lee Dorsey classic, "Working in a Coal Mine," which debuted on the top forty charts in August 1966. Several years later, Toussaint wrote horn arrangements for the Band's New Year's Eve concert at the New York Academy of Music, which was later released as the double live album "Rock of Ages."
I grew up in West Virginia and "Working in a Coal Mine" was the first 45 I purchased. Seeing Toussaint do it live, then seeing my musical heroes perform and later getting to meet and get a photograph with Mr. Toussaint with my daughters somehow brought something full circle.
Date: Sun, June 17, 2007, 00:19:11 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Donald did Working on a coal mine at the Bearsville show in Feb. with Ollabelle and Pheobe Snow. That show will always be very special to me. It just worked! Great fun.
Fife
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 22:24:00 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Hey 2dgs
Thanks for the link, rekindling as it did memories of days and nights of shame and boredom associated with the performance of Running Bear with mediocre musicians in blighted venues for slack-jawed and tin-eared punters and/or soused roisterers. In my defence I must say that I was very young, very poor, and a gig was a gig. It must also be said that I always insisted, during those hungry years, that, as a bare (bear?) minimum, Do It Again and Rikki were included on any setlist. (beer coaster)
You asked about setlists from that dolorous era. I can only bear to recall the songs one at a time. En masse they would constitute an egregious and indictable offence against taste, decency, syntax and the groove. That's why Steely Dan was such a breath of fresh air. Salvation came to me in the form of the bass job in a Steely Dan covers band and the arrival of fusion.
Nowadays if anyone asks me about Running Bear my standard reply is "Ah yes, Running Bear. I spent six months playing that song one night."
As to the youtube clip:
I must preface my remark with the information that, like Hunter. S. Thompson, I have a Soamoan attorney. (actually he is from Raratonga in the Cook Islands, and he isn't an attorney, but neither has he broken any (many) law/s.)
I don't wish to diss any Samoans, and I realise that cross dressing is de rigeur in the higher echelons of Samoan society, but the performers do not look like 'samoan stallions' at all.
Gender confusion aside, I score the'stallions' high for sincerety and hand gesture, but they do need to work on the lip synching. Some time spent studying the Drunken MC intro tribute to Jerome Aniton (on youtube) would stand them in good stead. The ending of RB is enigmatic. Are the 'stallions' whooping or yawning?
I've been playing the Tal Wilkenfeld CD (transformations) with Keith Carlock on drums in heavy (constant) rotation recently. The allusions to Weather Report, Jaco, Herbie Hancock, Pat Metheny and Bob Mintzer are lots of fun, and still her compositions sound original. I guarantee that bluebook drumsters will love Carlock's no holds barred drumming to bits, different as it is to the enthusiastic understatement of his steely work.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 20:15:05 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, without a clue
Hey,
I'm inclined to think he's one of the cutting-room floor victims, but you never know...I know a lot of musicians claim to have worked with the Big Acts: my first band, in the early 90's, had a four-song demo produced by a fellow named Julian Morgan from Dallas, who stated that he worked with Billy Joel (even expounding that he created the counter-melody from "Until the Night" from the 52nd Street album--there's no credit on the record, but he DID have a photo of himself, Billy and Phil Ramone at the console arguing about something-or-other), but I'll never know for sure to what extent...
You can google this one if you check out the Wichita Falls Times/Record News' Friday, June 15th edition (under the "NEXT" entertainment section); that's where I saw the write-up on the WDWDIITR Music Festival. In fact, this just popped into my atmosphere on the printed page yesterday; the drummer of the band, Junior Andrade, is a lifelong acquaintance of mine, and I'll ask him first thing Monday if he knows about O'Neil's Dan Connection...but he didn't list a lot of studio work--only the Doobies and the Dan. And the article didn't originate "elsewhere"--this is a local band, and the guy IS well-known for touring with some "big ones", and he's "got money," that is also well-known around the area. Hope this helps, and I'll get more ASAP. Thanks for the quick response, and we'll get to the bottom of this deal soon, I'll bet. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 19:59:39 ET
Posted by: BC,
Saw Harry Connick, Jr. at Foxwoods (Conn.) and he did "Workin' in a Coal Mine".
Didn't DF do that on his tour in '06?
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 18:46:03 ET
Posted by: yeah right,
Maybe he's one of the many who have "claimed" to work with the Dan.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 18:37:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah Musicologist,
B-bo, thoroughly checked, no one named O'Neil ever played with The Dan, studio or live. Could we be getting his name/spelling wrong here? Or maybe he's one of the many who layed something down for them but it never made it onto record or disc...
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 17:41:40 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Bobbo,
My non-expert response to your question was to review the vinyl from CBAT through Gaucho. No mention of O'Neil as a guitarist, although he might be part of the "etc" on Pretzel Logic. Perhaps O'Neil was the "guy whose name I can't remember" (Fagen's interview with Breithaupt, p. 60 of AJA), who attempted the Peg solo. In more general terms, "session work" may not necessarily equate to use of the work on a released song. Or maybe he changed his name.
GW
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 15:48:18 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, with a question for the experts on the blue...
Hey Fellas,
Here in Wichita Falls, they're gearing up for the "Why Don't We Do It In The Road Music Festival", and one of the local bands (I've seen 'em a hundred times) is Daddy-O, a five-piece, middle-aged "cover" group that does some pretty firy, well-done Upper Scale Rock...led by a fellow named Dennis (or Danny?) O'Neil. They have the nuts to do "Little Wing" and "Ride Like the Wind" onstage, and absolutely do not suck.
In yesterday's promotion for the festival in the Times/Record News, they mentioned the lead singer/guitarist, O'Neil, as someone who's done a lot of travelling around with some known acts (Stevie Ray, Blackfoot), and session work with the Doobies AND STEELY DAN. I've never heard of his playing on any Dan albums...ring a bell for any of you out there? No idea what tracks or albums he might've contributed to, but it's obviously a part of his resume' these days (and no, he doesn't appear on any of Pete Frame's ROCK FAMILY TREES, either)...
Let me know what you dig up on this one, when you can, and I'll be lookin' for you! Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 15:45:56 ET
Posted by: Sybil,
2dgs/Newerk/Raven/Idiot:
Please go away! I am sick and tired of reading your nonsense posts to yourself. On top of that, you don't have a C L U E!
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 15:15:42 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue
Andrew in rumson: Thanks for the info re: Skunk at the Rocksoff School of Rock Festival next Saturday. The Mike Keneally Trio is also scheduled to play. Keneally is at 1 P.M. and Skunk with the School of Rock All-Stars is at 5:30 P.M. They are promising some Doobies and Dan for the Skunk portion of the show.
Some of the kids in the School of Rock program are pretty good, although I’m not so sure they are taught a lot about reading and theory. I had an internet dialogue going with one of the instructors once and he mentioned that they indeed touch on the basics, but from everything they say on the website, it seems this institution is more interested in getting kids to copy the greats of rock by developing their playing chops for the most part. Nice idea, but I hope they are not just destined to play in garage bands when they grow up. Would be nice to see this as a place to train budding young session players. Who knows? Someday they may be touring with SD...when Don and Walt are octogenarians, maybe.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 14:24:00 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Go Yankees.
Don B.--…had to play “Babylon Sisters” on the iPod just to cleanse. Hahahahahaha!! I’m assuming that the horns were apparently better Monday. My only complaint was with the basses and the choir, although the voice mix wasn’t as bad as the other.
GM—I got pics of you and somma da crew from Monday. Randy is in every one of them, that ham. :-P E-me if ya want to see them. I got Gretchen and Geoff also.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 13:54:11 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hoops, your Danfest page is fabulous! Except that bug looks f*ckin' creepy. Eep.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 13:32:03 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Yup, the Beacon sounds like dog crap. I've heard SD and/or Fagen at five different venues now (including outdoor amphitheatres and MSG, for God's sake), and Sunday's show was the least decipherable by a mile. Didn't hear one clear attack on the bass all night. The kick drum sounded like a wrecking ball hitting the building nextdoor. The horns were buried. It doesn't matter how wonderful the playing/singing is if it's not making it into the house. I had to play "Babylon Sisters" on my iPod just to cleanse...
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 13:19:20 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Corcovado (oh, how lovely...)
Nwk—While my area of expertise is not sound engineering—hahahaha--here’s what a layperson such as myself might endeavor to do if I did not have a pro with an actual plan of action to do it for me.
1. Clean up and simplify the bass sound. Experiment until an EQ setting is found where the boom is all but eliminated. You need overtones, but of course you can play with the mix until you get the sound from the fundamental that you want. I know I am disoriented if I cannot hear the pitch of bass line no matter what I’m doing: playing, singing, moving, etc. What I heard last Monday was akin to plain old low-end noise which not only makes the tonality iffy, but it also can create a kind of rhythmic chaos. I would imagine the monitor mix was spot-on since it didn’t seem to affect the performers or the amazing work they did.
2. Next—do the same with the kick drum. I don’t know, maybe tweak the heads to vibrate at a slightly faster frequency if need be… I would imagine drum techs tune the drums at each gig—this would probably be a slightly more complicated tuning than status quo since the whole kit would have to be adjusted, but it’s important to fix the bass issue.
3. Never, never forget about the keyboard bass…especially the organ. Young doubles a lot of the bass licks. That’s an easy fix with a better keyboard mix.
4. Probably the least likely of a solution, but…if you cannot get the most natural “acoustic-like” setting, try to create differentials in the space. This is where the facility comes in. There is a myriad of portable acoustic devices you can put in a room/on the stage to cut back on the noise. But it’s obvious that the hall itself is the culprit and the staff cannot possibly account for all the nooks and crannies where waves are constantly bouncing off of one another before they even get a chance to complete their respective cycles.
I would imagine the cleanest sound possible is what you are after in a place like the Beacon—almost trying to re-create the acoustic band ambience of yesterday. You need to be flexible if you want to try to eliminate this noise phenomenon. I’m sure that would take time and time is money.
You don’t have to be an expert in sound to know that if you have incomplete slower frequencies that are battling for moving space, you are going to get mud. And it’s obvious that the sound techs that tour with Steely are top-notch. So maybe the answer is…there is nothing you can do that they haven’t tried…except blame it on Walter. :-P (What a Shame: wink, wink; nudge, nudge.) Unfortunately, the “pro” apparently couldn’t fix the issue that night. I always thought that groups had their own sound techs? Your point about the room being relatively empty during sound-check is a valid one.
2dgs—Why was there a difference in sound from Monday to Wednesday night if they didn’t suddenly, FIGURE IT OUT? Was it because the audience had more clothing on? Now sit. Heel. Stay. Good doggie.
(Eh, for a quick fix, like in Joe’s Garage…Turn it DOWN!)
For what it’s worth, I didn’t like the vocal mix, either. But what do I know about sound?
Mu!—The Lady Gretchen is apparently fond of the emoticon, but yes…tongue is almost always good, especially if it’s trained. Hey, get your heads out of the gutter--I was a flute major in college. =-o
Greg—I am most certain that if the sound techs actually knew who I was, I would be banned from future shows. They were not happy with the comment, but I was trying to be diplomatic about it as if to say, “Do you hear it, too?” :-P I’m glad that the sound was better the last night. ::sigh:: Wish I coulda been there, but I gotta save my money for a new monitor, speaking of sound. Perhaps 2dgs can show me how it works because I’m obviously too much of a layperson to have a freakin’ clue. :-D
Hutch—Loved the Chambers story. Shout out to ya. :-)
Hoops—Enjoy your fest in Cheek-ahhh-go. Why do you guys have all the fun? :-P
TJ—Hidden track…nice idea for what is being touted as an alternate version of Mary. I don’t hear a major bossa influence in what you call the metrics. (I’m assuming you mean “feel.”) To my knowledge, bossa’s have a completely different bass line, for starters. As a huge Jobim fan, I really want to hear this song now.
father william? Is that you?
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 12:35:30 ET
Posted by: father william, Boulder, Co
California Considering Legislation to Ban 'Imposter Bands'
In case you haven't seen this:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1181898347259
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 11:13:58 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Damn, you got me..!
Well, actually it's the hidden track on cassette tape edition of Morph.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 10:41:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Horticulturalist,
Sounds like a samba/rumba Jobimesque flavor to me. There's the rain imagery. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 09:40:40 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
TJ has a bootleg of the demo of The Orchids and The Summer Rain.
Either you have access to that or you don't. Most don't.
It's unreasonable for TJ to expect people to make a comparison between Mary and Orchids without the ability to access the demo.
TJ is trying to cover up for having it.
It's not nice to blame others for not hearing what they haven't heard.
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 07:56:21 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, Road Trip
TJ: I think I'd rather listen to Rowan, but will try to lean about yer wench.
http://www.peter-rowan.com/mp3s/index.php
Have a great weekend, animals! hugs, mj, OC, j & j
watch'er -- try not to fight while we're gone.
Inspiring webpage design/danfest in chicago, hoops
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 05:27:45 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
shark deville, but your examples actually do not fit. They have the same number of syllables, bot not the same pressure points.
Robb, you clearly don't give a fuck, as you clearly haven't been reading my posts...
I think I will let the conversation rest. Just one more quote:
http://www.house-concerts.org/index2.asp?category=9F717B6C58D04597A63BA6135574477E
"OH... Donald Fagen of Steely Dan fame was sitting in on one of Erika's recent concerts in Hawaii - and his agent called the next morning asking if she wanted to come over and play on his new Brazillian album... They keep telling me that Kauai is magical, but this is ridiculous."
We know that D+W like to use fragments of other songs in new constellations, so maybe one should start looking for some latin flavour on Morph. Maybe not.
Best bossa? Rikki don't loose that number...
Date: Sat, June 16, 2007, 02:33:24 ET
Posted by: shark deville, fl room
TJ hasn't done or said anything wrong with his speculations, except saying that no other lyric fits that metric... how 'bout:
are you reelin in the years
gonna sell my house in town
peg it will come back to you
it is certainly *possible* that "Mary" is "Orchids" with different lyrics. it is *possible* that Jobim wrote the lyrics, and Fagen wrote the music. The two songs were reportedly written around the same time, so maybe they are the same song.
i kind of doubt it though. i don't hear much bossa influence on Morph. Of course any song can be played with a bossa feel... or without one. but I'm hoping "Orchids" is a different tune altogether, with a seductive progression a la "Desafinado" or most any Tom Jobim tune. and I hope we get to HEAR IT.
On a related note, which Steely Dan tunes have the most bossa influence, or would work best as a bossa???
i would say "Razor Boy" has the most authentically bossa-sounding.
and i enjoy playing just about everything with a bossa feel on guitar. I'm waiting for Bebel Gilberto to cover Steely Dan...
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 22:30:32 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, lyrics on top
All:
1) RE TJ Mon: Then give me one other example of a lyric that fits on top - any lyric!
How about: "Everybody's on the floor?"
2) --where's the homeys?
3)
http://www.mojoflix.com/Video/Girl-With-Huge-Tongue.html?B52
4) Enjoy something to do in the East, tomorrow--Peter Rowan and friends:
http://www.southernshoremusicfestival.com/
5) How was 55 Bar (Th.)? Updates?
Goin out, 2dgs
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 20:53:24 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Needs some tweaking but here's the gig for the Chicago Danfest for those who are interested.
http://dandom.com/danfests/chicago
Note we will be having a special Dandom Edition of "The Price is Right."
Will have Milwaukee and European, Japanese and Down Under Danfests info up this weekend.
TJ: I can agree that Fagen might have some Bossa Nova infleunces on the MTC album.
Jim
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 19:13:30 ET
Posted by: Robb,
Who gives a fuck if Erika Luckett heard it and liked it? It's one thing to imagine Fagen was listeing to a style of music. Here, TJ has never heard the Jobim song and goes as far as to say Fagen plagarized it for Mary Shut the Garden Door. Comparing it to the Gaucho controversey with Garrett is fucked. I'd have a helluva lot more respect for TJ if he just owned up to having a bootleg. What a piece of work.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 19:03:42 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
NO YAHEL in LUCCA = A OK!!!!
Bring on the Dan
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 18:42:22 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Hoops, we know it exists as a demo, or did exist, and we have a witness, Erika Luckett describing it as beautiful and lovely. I choose to believe that she is not lying. So semanticly speaking at least one person have heard it. That makes it just as real as say The Second Arrangement.
Just because I haven't heard it personally, doesn't mean I can't do some speculating based on what I know. So to refrase: Sing the LYRIC "Orchids in the Summer Rain" on top of Mary. Then give me one other example of a lyric that fits on top - any lyric!
I'm not comparing or making claims as you claim, I'm just pointing out that there may or may not be a relation, and I find that very interesting.
It's really not that I wan't to keep arguing about this, I really just don't see your point. The song exists. People have heard it. End of story.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 18:22:26 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
TJ, DK: Whoooaaa…you say "Sing the orchid line on top of Mary…"
My point has been how can you compare and make claims about the two songs when "Orchid" doesn't exist as a recording? To the best of my knowledge it doesn't. A few other people have written me also asking which album has "Orchid."
So you are implying it does exist and you have heard it. That is a different story. How did you hear it? What album is it on? If it's a boot, say no more. If it's on an album, please let us know how we can get it or hear it or both.
Again, my disagreement lies in simply how can you make claims about similarities when one song exists only as talked about by Jobim and maybe Fagen. That's not being sensitive--it's a very legitimate point to bring up.
DEACONBLUES: Yeah, I think as far as Yahel goes, I wouldn't count on it unless it was listed at sd.com first. I'd ignore anything else about Yahel as an opening act in Europe.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 11:28:11 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, pen
yea, bill. great read. new moon man. look it.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 09:59:24 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pittsburgh,
Now THIS is more like the steelydan.com of old:
http://www.steelydan.com/fugue07.html
And as someone who first went to New Orleans in 1993 and never fully returned to normal, I can relate. Glad to see there's a name for this syndrome now. I get reinfected every time I go there.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 09:58:00 ET
Posted by: 2dgs in Andrew's yard, back yard
Dennis Chambers? I fucked 'im. Hutch, you know how much of your DC story I believe? Zilch. meaning: Nada. Zero. NOT.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 09:44:53 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Hutch
Nice Dennis Chambers story - I suppose that was a question of "you pays your money and.......................etc.
Think I'll ask KC the same questions at his UK clinics just for fun - haha
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 09:03:51 ET
Posted by: Hutch, Richmond
As far as I know I haven't died yet or anything. Nice poem... must have been meant for another Hutch. Let's see... Bobby Hutcherson (vibrophonist) is still with us as far as I know.
Anyway, here's an interesting story. Dennis Chambers did a clinic at our store a month ago. He did some private lessons before the clinic. One of our drum instructors took a lesson and asked Dennis about what it was like touring with SD back in the early 90s.
He said Donald spoke to him twice during the whole tour... once was during a rehearsal and the second time was after a show. They had done Aja during the set and during the drum "solo" in the middle Dennis went off the rails with some really crazy stuff. After the show he was told that DF wanted to see him in his dressing room. Don said "You know that stuff you were doing during the middle of Aja"? Dennis said, "Yeah, I saw you looking over at me like you were getting into it". DF said, "No, I wasn't getting into it. What you were doing was throwing me off and I didn't know where the hits were at. Don't do that again".
Oh well.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 04:24:17 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Dear Hoops, it just seems that it's very sensitive to you when ever someone tries to come up with a new theory regarding new/old Steely Dan songs etc. I like that you sort of cut through all the circumstantial evidence and give some perspective on thing. This time maybe a litte to early though.
Compare the line "Mary Shut The Garden Door" to "Orchids In the Summer Rain" - No sing the Orchid line on top of Mary. It is excatly the same metric. Coincidence? Maybe. But if you look throuh the entire catalog of Dan, a 100+ songs you'll find NO other choruses that match these lines or even come close! It's that obvious!!
Add to that that we know that both songs are beautiful and lovely. And both have a bossa feel.
That is absolutely enough for me to start speculating. Nothing else. I'm not saying it's the same song, and my guess is as good as anyones. Sure it's important not to get carried away, but don't tell me you are not intrigued...!
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 02:10:54 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Hoops,
Concerning Sam Yahel in Lucca.
Earlier this week, the website of the Lucca summerferstival announced Yahel as support. Now they took it away from their frontpage.That was a strange surprising fact.
I agree with you. It was very strange Lucca announced Yahel while in the meantime there was no information about that on SD.com.
Also i checked if Yahel was on the program everywhere else in Europe and he did not. I don't think Yahel will come over the pond specially to play one single set in Lucca. So it's a mistery why the Lucca guys pronounced his name.
But like we say here in our countries: "when it's raining in Paris,the clouds are dark in Brussels".So there have to be a reason for that.
The most logical explanation could be that Yahel will opens the Steely Dan shows in Japan and that he's joining Steely Dan in Italy to make the trip to Japan.
Date: Fri, June 15, 2007, 01:26:05 ET
Posted by: oceansee, 2dgs
Poem
For Hutch
So the birds have flown
The ashes are cold
You will never be lonely
You will never grow old
No tears from gentle eyes will fall
Now that your pain is gone
But for me, my friend, I see no spark
In those good eyes
I hear no shout at my front door
I will sit here evermore
And count the empty years.
The birds flew in from everywhere
And all spoke of your magic
And those of pomp and circumstance
Waxed eloquent and long
But very few who knew your song
Will ever be the same
I went down to the shore today
But the ocean made no sense.
And nests are built of heartfelt words
And warmth and truth and beauty
Of wild nights and loud, long songs
Carnival, bacchanale
Stupid dreams that never end
Pieces that have built a friend
And the wind destroys them all
The pieces fall
They will not fit together
Not now, not ever.
I sit selfishly and cry
Clench my fists and try to crush all thought
What was that sound?
Who goes there
Run dumb fingers through my hair
Every thing is useless
All the words of friends fall on deaf ear
And nothing will make sense
Until, you, my friend, are here.
So the birds have flown
Will not be back
But I will sit on the sad shore
Talk to you, watch the sky for your return
How did we ever get so close?
Long ago, it was so simple
Naive fools in naive gangs
Taking on the world
Now the world has won
And we have lost.
So make them laugh out there
Make them know of your good heart
Your wild streak, your simple art
Your impish grin, your wolf impression
But never make them sad.
And the birds still sing a lonely song
Nights come down like sad blankets on empty hills
The rest of the fools meander along
Oblivious to the truth
I sit and watch them fly
Blood red wings on an early evening sky
I watch them go, and gone
Wonder if they sing his song
Or do my ears deceive me?
And love is just a four-lettered word
And soul is just a motown song
And friends are never here that long
Forever ended yesterday, close is much too far away
And nothing makes me warm
Please send another storm
So that some thing will make sense
Always and forever, brother
One foolish dreamer to another
We'll meet again, sweet friend.
Greg Perano
November 1997
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 22:35:49 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, Mine
That is why: You’re an addict and an insane squatter. What "actually" happens at all SD performances- you haven't a clue about, evidently.
What a Shame: After you get your head out of LG’s arse, you may have noticed the guys ARE wired (in more ways than one) and you are simply off the mark (and insane). Your argument is transparent. Haven't you A N Y insight or "feel" into the real workings of a band or a venue? Damn, even a possilble vicarious moment has been lost here.
In other words, laymen, you missed the banana boat, grrrrrr.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 19:29:18 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
DEACONBLUES: Thanks for writing. I'm not sure why it is strange that Sam Yahel is not listed at Lucca. sd.com never had it and what's more, Yahel was to open only for US dates. Actually I think it was strange that Yahel was listed at some point as being at Lucca.
TJ, DK: Not sure--what is "sensitive" about the "Orchids" thread and comparing it to "Mary Shut The Garden Door"? I just don't understand where that is coming from because a) I can't determine where to hear the Jobim song and B.) I don't see how a song can be considered lifted simply by virtue of its metrics. So the far the assertion doesn't seem to be proven. Would love to hear "Orchids..." but haven't been able to find it on Amazon nor iTunes.
Be sure to sign up for the Chicago Danfest for details on the "Chicady Lied" Danfest on Wednesday, June 27. We've narrowed it down to three places for the Danfest--all in Printers' Row within a five minutes' walk of the show. Please RSVP if you plan to attend. Look for an update tomorrow at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/chicago
Thanks!
Jim
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 17:43:43 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
VERY STRANGE
THEY NOT ANNOUNCING SAM YAHEL IN LUCCA ANYMORE !!!
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 17:28:15 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
for the fans all over the pond.
It's SD-Day - 24.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 16:04:10 ET
Posted by: That is why..., .
Walter's idea of playing the whole tour at an airport and having everyone fly in is a good one. It took them 5 tries to get the Beacon sound right.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 15:43:27 ET
Posted by: What a Shame,
Referring to the inferior sound at the Beacon shows, the soundman said Walter wants it that way. Walter is on stage and couldn't possibly know what sounds better in the audience. What does he do, radio the sound guy from the stage during the show to tell him to turn down the bass? What may have sounded good during soundcheck in an empty theater, will not sound the same once the theater is filled.
Let the pro do what he's been trained and hired to do. NOBODY should be telling the soundman how to mix the sound, Walter or "Walter's people" included.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 15:20:47 ET
Posted by: Greg,
I'm so glad I decided last minute to scalp a ticket for the Beacon last night. It was definitely the best show of four I saw there!
Lisa G, we may have you to thank for that. I think that note you passed to the soundman may have done the trick because the sound was much better. The audience must have noticed too because they stood for the last five or six songs. The sound was so bad the previous nights that I don't think people even stood for the encores.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 14:35:34 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, in the pen
the bullgoose: This song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp_N6TyBPgY
Care to share your set list?
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 14:07:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower...
thanks, Steve!
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 13:45:29 ET
Posted by: steve, Rochester
Hello All,
Good time last night,
I think I have the order right?
The change up was with the encore and the addition of Chain Lightning. Donald actually started to intorduce Aja ("this next one is the title track form our...") but then he stopped himself and they went into C Lightnin. Afterward he says, "ok, now where were we? oh yeah, the title track......"
Beacon, NYC 6/13
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work (Phoebe Snow)
Josie
Chain Lightning
Aja
Bodi
Encores:
FM
Kid C
Carolyn
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 12:48:35 ET
Posted by: Bud, dy
I went to three of the five Beacon shows and last night was the best for me. The sound was better (louder!) and the band was tight as hell. Nothing really new in the setlist. I heard Chain Lightning in the middle of the set. But that was about it. Great show!
Maybe they'll come back to NYC in October for a few more.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 12:44:21 ET
Posted by: ftm danman, ftm
just looked at ticketmaster, Milwaukee tix available center section row T (20th row, I think) for all you SD Beerheads
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 11:55:25 ET
Posted by: The Times,
There was a report done in the NY Times for the first stops at the Beacon.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 10:17:41 ET
Posted by: Critic grabs us, .
Five sold out shows in NYC and we have to rely on fans to submit a report because there's nothing in the Times, Post or Daily News.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 09:21:47 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
hey danheads--- where are the reviews and the set lists from last nights show??????
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 09:08:22 ET
Posted by: yo no mock, NOT at Beacon
I won't mock...please share with the non-mockers
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 09:06:53 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Yes
It is your duty to report to us
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 09:00:10 ET
Posted by: Yes, after the Beacon
Yeah, we went to the Beacon.
But why post set lists and comments when people are just gonna mock you.
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 08:26:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower...
....didn't anyone go to the Beacon last night?
Date: Thurs, June 14, 2007, 01:42:38 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Damn, Morph is so groovalicious! >>> TvN = EMG
Lisa G & ladies: tongue is almost always good.
"Seal my fate
Got your tongue in the mail
No one is wise
Until they see how it lies
Don't you just love this life
Don't wait 'til the next one comes
Gonna peddle my faith
Wheels are still turning round, turn round..."
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 23:50:51 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Gretchen
Oh he would understand. I'm sure he would strut around the house wearing it IF he could get the shirt away from you
Thanks for the entertainment
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 21:40:28 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
We can't seem to help ourselves. Do you have a cure for this?
Fife
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 18:24:19 ET
Posted by: I feel like a teenager, on the blue
Girl Margaret, LWO, now Fife and Gretchen.
What are you lovely girls doing hanging out on the Blue with such an undeserving lot of sad acts as are most of most of us denizens of the Blue?
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 17:33:14 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
No man, they have to be white with lime green stripes!
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 17:15:31 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Fenwick
Craig, we considered asking Donald for his shirt, however I don't think my hubby would be as understanding about an article of D's cloting as he was about the coke can. Good thought, though. I know Fife would do anything to get a pair of Donald's Adidas.....
It's the real thing
G
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 17:14:58 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Fenwick
Craig, we considered asking Donald for his shirt, however I don't think my hubby would be as understanding about an article of D's cloting as he was about the coke can. Good thought, though. I know Fife would do anything to get a pair of Donald's Adidas.....
It's the real thing
G
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 17:08:04 ET
Posted by: Mo, Countin down to quitting time
Heya Janie!
Good to hear from you. Of course I remember hanging out @the Roseland shows - that was the best weekend of my life!! Didn't know you'd be in town for the Beacon shows, and alas, I won't be there tonight......perhaps our paths will cross next time the boys tour.....
Keep it real, or whatever,
~Mo~
Janie Runaway, yorktown wrote:
So.....Mo missin' ya. we hung @ the Roseland shows... so glad you made it, but didn't get to see ya :(... and the show wasss really tight in my opinion. Chain lighting... Soo Goood... Keith is just on it everytime I see him but just spectacular to see such talent. the boys were hot and spicy tonight... luv the danfans.... see ya Wed.. and for all those assholes going to the last show or overseas..... sing one for me
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 15:30:43 ET
Posted by: New SD vs. Old SD,
MIKE: You put your finger RIGHT on top of the difference between new millennium dan and old millennium dan. It's that they aren't having the band AS A WHOLE create the wall of sound and groove that make up the songs. Nowadays, so many of the songs are a simple rock beat, a bass line, and some guitar pickings here and there, and some horn color. It's the vocal line, solely, that is trying to shape most of today's SD's melodies. And this is why I and most like old millennium dan more (not that new is bad- I enjoy it). It's simply more fulfilling.
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 14:54:26 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Congrats to Doc who was just thanked in Keith Carlock's newsletter for the "Carlock" license plate! Now THAT'S fabulous!
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 13:28:20 ET
Posted by: andrew, rumson
for your information, Skunk Baxter will be at the school of rock fest next weekend in asbury park. Hope we get a couple gems.
http://www.rocksoff.com/
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 13:08:45 ET
Posted by: Spell Check,
article
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 13:07:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Wished you and Gretchen would have gotten some aticle of DF's clothing or at least a coke can.Great post Fife
Go Girls
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 12:26:47 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
First off I’d like to thank everyone that showed up at Citrus Monday night. I always enjoy seeing everyone and it’s always great to have a face to put to those posting on the Blue.
My final show was one of the finest. I was dying to hear Gaslighting Abbie and sure enough it was like Don and Walt had read my mind. It was really funny when the rude masses of people made a mad dash for what ever their needs were and Donald shouted out hey were are you going, come back and sit down. I yelled my approval as did my accomplice Gretchen. We had great seats, Orchestra row z, which had only 2 seats and no one behind so we were able to get up, boogie, sing and yell to our hearts content.
I was scanning the theater for security and this time around it seemed quite lax so for the last 4 songs of the show we made it right up to the stage. I realized how close I was when I realized that Don’s suit wasn’t black but dark grey with strips.
After the show we were supposed to meet up with everyone at the backstage door but it turned out just to be myself and Gretchen. This time there were no barricades and we were right up to the door. We didn’t have to wait long for Don to come out and when he did we were so close we could have reached out and touched him. We of course would never consider such a thing though. He was very polite and waved and thanked everyone as he was making his dash, he’s such a great guy.
It was a great adventure and yep there’s nothing better in the world then being Stage door Betty’s and I’m hoping I’ve got a few more times to finesse this profession!
Fife
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 11:35:43 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
LisaG, sorry for scaring your dog like that.
the_bullgoose, that's pretty funny. I can see Doanld on stage screaming out, "ROLL YOUR CAT BACK UP THE AISLE!"
As for all this talk about Mary Shut The Garden Door, I recall in an interview Don saying how he wrote that song right after the 2004 elections. Whatever the case may be, whether or not it's related to that Orchids song, it's got a nice arrangement.
As much as I love MTC, I just wish Don would bring out some more of those venomous 70's style grooves like he did so well on Kulee Baba with that excellent arrangement wherein every instrument is working to create one cohesive groove that is mesmerizing. (BTW, I wonder who drummed on that track...) There's truly nothing else quite like the Don & Walt songwriting of the 70's.
Here's something funny about Don I found on YouTube, titled 'RARE Donald Fagen live clip' ~ http://youtube.com/watch?v=DRjVUEz01Lo
To quote:
"Everybody has been asking about this one, so I've decided to put it up.
For those of you who don't know, Donald Fagen and his partner-in-crime Walter Becker are responsible for the group Steely Dan, creators of such great songs as Peg, FM, Deacon Blues, Black Friday, and so on.
So imagine the audience's surprise when during his last solo tour Donald announced that he wanted to try "something a little new" on the crowd. It turned out to be a Cannibal Corpse song!! You can clearly see in the video one of the audience members walking out in disbelief. Why Donald, why!?!?
(P.S. It's a joke.)"
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 10:20:30 ET
Posted by: Nwk, we'll see
Ravin' you ignorant slut, shut up and keep plaiting. We'll see. nwk
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 10:18:27 ET
Posted by: Raven, Laptop treetop
Cleared the board egh, ids? Good going. How about a fluffy pillow in the base drum and a brick so it won't blow out? Nwk, you ain't goin'--NYC is for hopeful(s) only. 4gedaboudit. Be very, very frightened. Ravin'
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 08:59:17 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, Nwk's Hen House
Get 'em, Keith!
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 08:18:05 ET
Posted by: Len, .
http://www.keithcarlock.com/news.htm
Nice of him to recognize Steely Doc for his efforts.
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 07:37:45 ET
Posted by: Newerkes, P.A. getting ready for something, NYCNYCNYC
Lisa G: "The kick drum was echoing and canceling out the bass . . . "
Solution? I cannot rant enough about the rhythm glides between Carlock and Freddie et al rhythem lock down and explosive dynamics in past shows--every nuance could be heard clearly in more modern venues--and Steely can capture a heartbeat sound--passion and artistry, highly dependent upon those or lack of those bounce-around sound (or better put "weird echo patterns." Is the only way to overcome these demerits of an old venue to turn it up louder? ala Allman Brothers Band at Beacon (?)
Now I am notice this phenomenon that you speak about of a--dare I say?-- muffled low-end sound. Seems inherent ala gymnasiums, sterile auditoriums and Tower, Beacon, and early 20s+ theaters which have one common denominator--old cavernous venue designed before big amplified sound with little or few addendums to thwart those reverbs. LG and all: 'Ave you any theories for sound design for the Beacon? [I spat my theories already, and I stand by them. I think I'll just keep them to myself now--moon phase kicking in.]
I am reminded of Dave Bromberg's penchant to unplug everything for one or two, depending on his feel for a particular venue. Makes for a spicy eve. But you gotta plug it all back in eventually. No longer afraid to rant outside the box. hugs, nwk
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 06:11:07 ET
Posted by: Nwk, blue comedy club
TJ: Thx and wow. What a riot--yacht rock vid. Let the weekend begin!!! This goes good with my Twinings breakfast tea. Nwk
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 05:43:52 ET
Posted by: Newerkes, P.A. , punishment detail
FYI--Steely Dan Scrapbook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64RkhvZfIe8
Some highlights:
Danfest Mansfield (06): Girl Margaret, Mark, Pete, Fez, Fezman, Connie, and many others at the gathering (rain)
Tweeter Camden, NJ (06)
Tweeter Mansfield [Boston] Danfest ('06)
Borgata, Atlantic City (07) and
Ntelos [Norfolk/Portsmouth] (07)
Best burn award (haha): In Mansfield, in the red montage (2:10) there's a tall guy with glasses at the far right who rushed the stage, danced, got everyone on their feet, burned one, started a fight, got escorted back to his seat and came on back, if memory serves me right. And such behavior at a concert too--tsk tsk. Enjoy. Dishes, dishes, dishes.
Right and Mansfield is that famous place where Steely Dan unveiled a chord never before heard by human ears. Takerzy. Nwk
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 05:36:21 ET
Posted by: thanks TJ,
I like that Neriana Pallot Peg cover. Nice alternate chords, giving a more Gaucho-like feel. And she sings in tune without all the modern vocal gymnastics. Piano part also sounds a bit like that Bruce Hornsby hit record.
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 04:31:24 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Have just been reading the digest, and I must say: I love Nerina Pallot! Her debut album came out last year with the single hit "Everybody’s Gone To War". An ok album I guess - didn't pay that much attention then. I do now. She's made a cover of Peg which is bold, maybe stupid. She did an ok job with a perfect song, but it was after reading her blog she convinced me that she is for real:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4838455&blogID=263745349&MyToken=fe608ae3-4b59-451c-91cc-e3bf7527276a
Peg and Merlin
Yo chums
As well as domestic duties and such, I have been gainfully engaged in music related activities and as such can now present you with a likkle ditty wot goes by the name of "Peg". Look no further than my myspace profile and you shall see a band I place above every other, lordy even above the Beatles, and that band is called The Dan, the Kings of Smooth Rock and Roll, The Band That Brought You The Greatest Ever Guitar Solo In History On Reelin In The Years, Messrs Fagen and Becker (and once upon a time, many moons ago, and for all of five minutes Chevy Chase on drums).
I speak of Steely Dan. Just to write those words brings a tear of fondness to mine eyes.
This band made a beautiful record called "Aja". Not just beautiful, but the BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME, better even than the Arctic Monkeys (Shock!Horror!). This band made Michael McDonald cool, if only for five minutes. The playing on this album is so good that even the drummer on one of the tracks near fainted. Legend has it that Steve Gadd, he of Paul Simon's "Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover" fame recorded the drums on some tracks on Aja while in the fuggy fog of 1970s chemical wot-not activities. This did not hinder his brilliance, however it fucked with the dude's memory somewhat. Anyways, THE DAN are mixing the album, right, wot with King Producer Hero Gary Katz, and Mr Gadd is working in the same studio on another project, but the music business of the 1970s being all cosy and friendly like it isn't today, THE DAN invite Mr Gadd to listen to his groovy handiwork as they mix. Because of the aforementioned chemical influences, as Mr Gadd listened to the title track, he went ashen faced. When the track was finished, he looked horrified and turned to THE DAN, asking them who was the player because he was worried he was going to lose work to this guy. Of course, this could be a music business urban myth but I like it all the same, and this is one of the greatest drummers ever of which I gossip.
I must add that I have met Mr Gadd in recent years and am happy to report that he was all present and correct. He has a very nice beard and is terribly friendly too.
So yes, Peg comes from The Greatest Album of All Time and features Michael McDonald of Doobie Brothers fame on backing vocals. If you, like me, have nothing better to do on this wet Saturday afternoon, may I suggest that you find a copy of the Classic Albums documentary on the making of "Aja" and acquaint yourself with the studio wizardry of The Dan and their collaborators. Especially lovely is the bit where they pull up the multi-tracks for "Peg" and you can hear how intricate the backing vocal part is. Also on this documentary is a Dan afficianado called Andy Gill who writes for various publications and gave my first album a one star review. Until I watched this documentary, I would oft lapse into hazy daydreams of what red hot poker I would shove up Mr Gill's nether regions should I make his acquaintance one day, but after realising that he too held The Dan ABOVE ALL OTHERS (as they should be so held), I could do nothing but think was alright really, replaced thoughts of red hot pokers with a pint I might offer to buy him if I ever bumped into him at one of The Dan's gigs. (These are almost as rare as Halley's Comet, sadly.)
See being a Dan fan galvanises a bond with other fans no other musical outfit seems to create. We have to stand together. We are ridiculed, called easy listening freaks, laughed at for a loving a band who write songs called The Fez, and regularly field accusations of lightweight drinking abilities.
Fools, you non-believers are. Fools. To quote my hero, Mr Fagen, from his song Reelin' In The Years, THE SONG WITH THE GREATEST GUITAR SOLO EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD (even Jimmy Page agrees!)
"You wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand"
I'm not convinced Mr Fagen is gonna really love my version of Peg, not least because we had to leave out the really complicated solo bit you get before the second verse because FM Radio in the year 2007 is Pathologically Shit Scared of a guitar solo, nevertheless, The Dan are my musical diamond. The Greatest Band on Earth. Forever and ever amen. And The Dan will always waste the Eagles to my mind except that Life in the Fast Lane is a fucking cool song, but still, FM is like waaaaaaay better dude. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP2Zt6-iwXs)
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 04:04:56 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Hey Mike
I'm still all a-chortle after reading 'What's Jacquin Showfole gonna sing?' It sounds fine to me. Makes you kinda suspect there's really a Jacquin Showfole out there somewhere, perpetually flummoxed as to his set list. I'd imagine he'd be a Louisianan, possibly a cajun crooner.
I'm betting the next line is actually: 'Doreen, kiss Walter on a shelf.'
In the Last Mall it still sounds to me like Donald is rolling his cat right up the aisle.
Reminds me of a gig many years ago when a drunk rolled up to our singer to request a song.
'Which one would you like to hear?"
"You know, that one"
"Which one"
"That one. Everyone sings it."
"Which one? How Does it go?"
"You know..Ay Ay Ay..whoop whoop.."
"I'm not sure we know that one..."
"Yeah yeah. Course you do..um..boom boom boom boom boom boom,
Running Bear yi yi yi, fucked little white dogs, yi yi yi..."
True story
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 03:46:45 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Hoops, sensitive subject i guess!
The Jarrett comment was just meant to understate, that there is something more to this case than just a new set of lyrics a la Where you blind that day/Third world man.
Maybe Orchids was the first incarnation of Mary, only Donald took it to a whole different place, maybe only leaving the chorus back, why Jobim refused to be creditted. Maybe the metric thing is just a coincidence. I'm just speculating, cause thats what we do on this board.
But for the fun of it. Can anyone come up with a chorus in the entire Dan catalog having the same metrics as Mary?
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 03:05:05 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
TJ.
Thanks to remind us about "Orchids in the summerrain".
i remember when people were talking here on the Blu about a Fagen-Jobim collaboration. That was aproximative a year before Morph the Cat came out.
In my younger days i've always was a sort of Bossa Nova fan. And the idea to see Donald doing a solo Bossa Nova stuff was a real ecxiting fact.So my expectations were very high about that. I thought Morph was going to be that epic album full of Bossa Nova flavours.I've had to admit that i was a little desception to hear it wasn't going to be like that.
MTC wasn't a desception of course.It was another great Fagen album.
And it's true that since the beginning i was convinced that"Mary shoot the Garden Door" had such a great Bossa influance. I had the same feeling with "Security Joan". The intro but most of all the 3 short keyboardbridges(where in one of them Donald is saying Search me now) in that song are so much Bossa Nova tinted.
I'm looking forward to a possible concrete Fagen-Jobim collaboration in the future. That would be artisticly a historical moment in Rocks hystory.
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 01:43:49 ET
Posted by: hoops,
TJ-- I've not heard "Orchids..." but indeed I'm puzzled how both songs having "the same metric" and a bossa nova feel means it is comparable to the issues surrounding the authorship of "Gaucho." Couldn't the same be said of "Orchids" and dozens of other songs?
I'm going to go with your latter comment that the relationship between the songs is not that tight and that your "new Keith Jarrett case" comment is a funny.
Jim
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 01:40:03 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago, this one covering from June 9-12, 2007.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for June 9-12, 2007:
• SD requests pledges to the State Fugue Elimination League (SFEL)
• The Best of SD: The Millennium Collection (hoops mini-Review)
• New Peg cover
• Oodles of Ticket ads in the TICKET EXCHANGE
• Reviews and Commentary of the Wolftrap, Portsmouth and NYC shows culled from here, etc.
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious (and much more glamorous) Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill and John.
Jim
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 01:38:45 ET
Posted by: Antonio, Rio
How would (Raj?) know whether "Orchids in the Summer Rain" sounds like "Mary Shut the Garden Door"?
It does not
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 01:19:06 ET
Posted by: Dave From Acquisitions, Boston
Hopeful:
Michael Shrieve - When I watch Woodstock, the movie, Shrieve's performance is nothing short of electrifying! I see a young, talented, and accomplished musician with over 300,000 fans in the palm of his hand(s). Stunning!
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 01:13:33 ET
Posted by: qadmirer, global
how does one contact sir Q in the 21st century?
light on in the window for ya Q!
yours,
northeast mafia
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 00:50:45 ET
Posted by: Monkey Woman, Chicago
Anyone from the blue going to Chicago?
Date: Wed, June 13, 2007, 00:24:09 ET
Posted by: Q, 8500RPM
To JR of BG Studios, my only question is wouldn't you agree that the multitrack master tape is almost always ( at least post early '70s)the preferred source material for "best sound"("best sound" meaning accurate and three dimensional soundstage, palpable depth, better tonal presentation, and...full realization of that certain something that only seems to come from analog )
While 2 track makes it possible to move forward it would normally represent a huge compromise, esp. with respect to an album engineered to the max as is "Aja", no? How many engineering layers on the final laydown?? a thousand or so??
Raj, etc - unfortunately, any of the various tricks that are possible would detract and be a crime.
I guess we could try Aja in mono! Chad can do it! (owner of Acoustic Sounds)
As far as the 2VN DVD-A, yah, it is no doubt better - but, still.....
Only Hollywood could have awarded that album (the stock CD release) "Best Engineered"....
Sir Geoff - no more shows for me this time around, but I would gladly take you up on your offer to discuss over a beer!
Cheers!
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 22:59:26 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, in the grove
More great discussion! Thx for all. I'm studying drummer Michael Shrieve http://www.michaelshrieve.com/ --one of Santana's wildmen and youngest performer at Woodstock.
(Wasn't Michael Leonhart known for being the youngest to get a Grammy at 17 or something along these lines?)
Lisa G: You would like the Carlos Santana quote on the bottom of his biography. "I owe Michael a lot . . . he has all the colors."
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 22:35:57 ET
Posted by: Josey`, St. Simons Island`
LisaG - Plain and simply: Metheny is the shit!!! Don't even get me started!
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 22:00:31 ET
Posted by: Steve, Rochester
LisaG,
I think I read somewhere (some jazz mag) that many of the current hot players are saying "best of his gen" about Antonio. I think so. I just picked up tix for the Metheny Trio in Buffalo in Oct. Pat, Antonio and Christian McBride. Its not on his site yet but im sure there will be some other shows and maybe even a Beacon show as well. I guess Pat lives on the Upper West Side sotheres a good chance. And good for you that you have seen so many Metheny shows. I try to see at least one live version of each offering too. It gets $$$$$$. Oh well. I'm thinking of a quickie over to Rome, just can't seem to find a kind enough fare as yet. Hes playing a bunch of gigs in Europe with Brad in July. One of them is in Rome and its the day after the big 'free' Genesis show at Circus Maximus. I really want the 2fer.....400,000 or more watching and hoping for a possible Gabriel walk on (his tour ends there a day b4) and then 1400 for a small Pat and Brad show. If only I had all the money back I've given to these music heros of mine I could spend it on them again!
my best.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 21:33:28 ET
Posted by: LA WANNABE, ¿who da heck would put "chicago" for a location?
Strawberry alarm clock!
MALIBU INN BAR, malibu, CA - 6/16/2007 - 8:00pm
don't forget to see holly palmer, too:
Jun 16 2007 7:45P
Hotel Cafe
Hollywood, California
how can you be in both places at the same time??
i don't know - i report - you figure it out!
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 20:03:13 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Laughing on the grass
Mike—Hahahah!! “What I thought: What's Jacquin Showfole gonna sing?
(Shakes head -- who the hell is Jacquin Showfole!?!?!)”
I literally laughed so loud that the doggie I’ve been sitting for got scared.
Re: Beacon 6/11--What a night! Ok, I want to personally thank Fife and GM for setting us up last evening at Citrus. What a stitch to meet all you fine folk. And to see Geoff and Pete/Shari again was just loverly.
I had WAY too much chardonnay, but I still managed to enjoy every last morsel of the concert, despite the lower frequencies. I will post color if I can remember any in a bit.
The Blessed Yankees are calling. US Army Band doing the National Anthem. Sweet. Wish I was in the Bronx…
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 19:49:43 ET
Posted by: Hopeful Location: In the grove,
Ok fellow creeps--with some exceptions, of course. I’m relatively new so I don’t know all the ins and outs of the game—bear with me.
First, regarding the trouble stirred up by my rambunctious and wanton avatars. They’ve been squelched for several causes but mainly for obsessing during work time over this sexy phenomenon--Steely Dan. These troublemakers have been reprimanded with a charge to find tix for Wed. nite show. Then they must complete daily cleaning, pest control, and recycling for through the end of the month, where I may enjoy my annual hiatus—plans pending.
Second, LWO, thx for the clothes advice for Nwk, my usual second with her vicarious and oftentimes manic tendencies, who settled for some criss-cross sandels, a sleeveless navy linen button down and some ivory shorts, rolled up, of course. I am compelled to . . . well, let’s say polka-dots, stripes don’t suit her, but she has 1001 uses for a bandanna—to her credit. I wasn’t noticing the goings on, but now I see.
Second, we got a waning crescent arising. 'nuf said.
Third, I have to share that my s.o. said after the Carolyn’s “Flashback to cool summer nights” (Pix) at Camden ’06 that I would be “left” for her. Well—whatevah. She’s taken I responded. Anyhoo, Newark took care of that little problem with a Countermoon move. I am reminded that that the best way to conducts oneself (in the spirit of Larry Graham) is to let ‘em roam—it makes ‘em stronger, but the recompense is handling it later. Yep, free as a bird, whom we will not even mention for haphazardous fasting without cause or results—one who, ironically, loves supervision and whose name shall not be spoken for a long time. Right, need gas in the carh--Staten Island here we come!
CU in NYC—hopefully.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 19:40:10 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Stomping on the avenue
P.S. steve---
"The best of his generation..."
Yup. I thought of AS when I heard that said last night of KC at the Beacon.
Carlock did impress me much more last evening than ever before. However...I think I dutifully pissed off the sound crew. The kick drum was echoing and canceling out the bass pretty much most of the night. I was going insane and not in the frozen rain, kind of way. I sent one of the dudes a note to that effect but in a very nice way, of course (oh, we happened to be sitting in the same row as the board--what luck!), and one of them read it, bitched for a moment, then sent someone else to find which one of us hosers sent it. I said it was me and he said, "Well Walter wants it that way." Hahahahahaha!
:-P <---(Gretchen, that tongue was for you.)
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 19:33:36 ET
Posted by: LisaG, way deep into nothing special
Actually, I mentioned Sanchez and someone else decided to chime in with some indirect conversation with me. Hahaha! I love this place.
But seriously, I can honestly say that Metheny shows are the only ones that leave me literally vibrating for a week. The first time I saw Sanchez live, I hadn't heard him on the recordings, as I make it a habit of seeing the most recent PMG/Pat Metheny tours before purchasing the albums. I ran to Borders the very next day to pick up Speaking of Now. From that point on, I vowed that I would not be denied another chance to see Metheny with Sanchez. Unfortunately I missed ONE tour for lack of resources, but hit all the rest. He blows Wertico away with his artistry, his creativity, his technique, his sense of the groove...even Rodby plays better with Antonio Sanchez behind the kit.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 18:21:01 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
Well said JoeM, I saw the Niagara Casino show and Steely Dan is playing very tight. I will be bringing my little sister to the show tomorrow night. Her first show my 11th.
The musicianship is indeed crackerjack, no doubt, but like you I too saw a Metheny/Mehldau performance. I was lucky enough to have a front row seat in a low box just above the stage at Carnegie Hall in April. Yes, both shows are astounding. However, as much as I love Walt and Don and respect their ability to pick and play with the best, Metheny/Mehldau is a full order of magnitude beyond even the mighty Steely Dan.
There is only one Steely Dan but I think SD fans, with the time and a jazz inclination, would do themselves a huge musical favor if they were to acquaint themselves with Metheny. Just like Steely Dan he has worked with many of the very best players over the years. His extraordinary skill demands it and Mehldau might just be the most worthy partner yet.
I read the ‘best’ drummer posts here last week with amusement. I didn’t see (there may have been) a nomination in support of Antonio Sanchez. Clearly the greatest of his generation. All one needs to do is watch ‘the way up’ DVD.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 18:03:11 ET
Posted by: Lovestruck, on the Blue
Just when we're pining for Girl Margaret, Little Wild One comes along and steals our hearts. Could they be twins? Is there gas in the car?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 17:51:54 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thank you translater.
This is from Ginas site, from an interview with Erika Luckett
"Donald's wife gave me a CD with some rough tracks of a beautiful song he wrote with Tom Jobim's grandson, Daniel Jobim. The song is entitled "Orchids in the Summer Rain". It was really lovely. That's all I know..."
It has previously been stated (by Raj?) on the blue, that "Orchids in the Summer Rain" was the first incarnation of "Mary Shut the Garden Door" as they have the exact same metric, and Mary has the bossa feel.
Only Jobim is not credited on Morph, so either the relationship is not that tight, or we have a new Keith Jarrett case.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 17:49:46 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Jenny-
Is the Tee in question the grey on grey one? (very tasteful...you have to really be looking closely to note it is a "Steely Dan T-Shirt").
Bought two of those Tees in Atlanta...sizes medium and large...the tour dates do not show Chicago and Milwaukee...those dates were added so I'm guessing we bought from the initial supply of them...can't imagine they'd reprint the abbreviated tour schedule...so I guess they'd be out-of-print. You probably got one of the last of the initial run...in that size.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 17:15:35 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, fl room
tecladista=keyboardist
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 17:07:47 ET
Posted by: Translator, Brasilia
CONGRATULATIONS DONALD FAGEN…
that it completed 58 years today, 10 of January.
thanks to Daniel Jobim, who gave the telephone to me in New York of the singer, composer and tecladista of the Steely Dan, I finished to speak with Donald for phone. I could give my congratulations to the living creature to that he is one of the fabulosos American musicians in activity.
We combine new colloquies soon, since Donald said that its new alone record, “Morph to me, the cat”, he is ready, and she will be launched in March for the Reprise stamp, of the Warner, who, in 1982, launches its skillful ground of estréia, “The nightfly” (layer below).
e bisara in 1993 with the equally brilliant “Kamakiriad”
As it counts in previous pole, I could still hear with Daniel an unknown partnership of it with Fagen, “Orchids in to summer rain”… beautiful meeting of the jazz-pop of Fagen with bossa of the Jobim young. We want more…
Now the idea is to confer the Sky show, in Sergio Porto… as the transit, still arrives in time to attend the Leleo (former-Band Bel), that it opened the night…
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 16:16:32 ET
Posted by: trider, nyc
I'm selling two extra orchestra seats for wednesdays Beacon show for 300. Thanks!
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 16:10:38 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
"Orchids in the Summer Rain"
Could anyone translate this?:
http://oglobo.globo.com/blogs/antonio/post.asp?cod_Post=8498
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 16:03:21 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, FL room
A couple of items RE. Steely Dan recordings that never surfaced.
First, "Carey" from the Joni Mitchell tribute. Here is a quote:
"The first Joni Tribute in 2000 was totally cancelled and on a different label. Some of the tracks resurfaced for the new one but many of the tracks have never surfaced. But I know the 2000 edition of the tribute got as far as promo copies being pressed and partially distributed..."
was the Steely Dan track on the promo release??? anyone heard it?
My other question regards the Donald Fagen collaborations with Daniel Jobim that were reported pre-Morph. Wasn't there even a title like "Orchids in the Summer Rain" or something?
anyone?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 16:02:32 ET
Posted by: JoeM,
Well, better late than never I guess...
Just chiming in on the recent Beacon shows.
The band is as tight as I've ever seen them. The musicianship is just light years ahead of any other act out there. I took in a few of the recent Metheny/Mehldau shows and I would be hard pressed to find a comparative difference in terms of overall musical proficiency between these two road shows. Both are/were just astounding.
2VN, Pretzel Logic, Black Cow (especially the horns Sunday night) and Bad Sneakers were standouts for me.
On the fair weather fan front - more than a few individuals thought it appropriate to make an early exit on Sunday. A boon for the likes of me as I took haste and caught the last 4 tunes front row center. An upgrade from my row D spot.
Man, I just love these guys. They are indeed unique. There is only one Steely Dan.
Joe
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 15:48:07 ET
Posted by: Jenny, Fredneck, MD
I got a 2X "heavy rollers" shirt at Wolf Trap. Jazzman got an XL. His has Chicago and Milwaukee listed on the back of his, while mine lacks any mention of these two venues. What about the other sizes? Is this a fluke?
*hopes for a misprint tee worth millions on ebay...*
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 15:26:55 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I picked up the new Steely Dan 20th Century Masters Collection cd today just to have it I guess. It was only 8.00 and I have seen all the same artwork before and it is in a crazy earthfreak digipak!
1. Do It Again
2. Reelin' In The Years
3. Only A Fool Would Say That
4. My Old School
5. Rikki Don't Lose That Number
6. Any World That I'm Welcome To
7. Deacon Blues
8. Josie
9. Time Out Of Mind
10. Third World Man
Thoughts??
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 14:37:29 ET
Posted by: The Ref,
Break and go to your corners
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 13:04:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You hit a nerve, honey. I'm not made of stone.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 12:54:48 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, you may be right
It was meant to be a compliment, {insert term of endearment of your choice} related to your statment, "I thought girls like good looking guys."
Down, boy.
Ann, I have a Boston Danfest poster for you. Is there a place I can send it in th U.K. that you could get it? You have the e-mail...
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 12:38:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
LWO - I have been married a few times, I've loved each woman dearly. Most of them haven't worked out, it's true. But I am still in touch and on good terms with all of them, including the non-formilized co-habitants, and we remain to this day respectful friends and I think that counts for something. Thank you, you f'''ing bitch, for bringing it up. It's good to know my personal tragedies warm your spirit so much...
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:57:27 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Nice site, but could they have made it more complicated if they tried?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:51:55 ET
Posted by: Steve, Rochester, NY
Beacon tomorrow, Caves?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:42:17 ET
Posted by: Misheard Lyrics, .
Mike,
Submit some of those misheard lyrics here
http://www.amiright.com/artists/steelydan.shtml
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:41:45 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Rajah.
Frankenstein sexy?? Well, it seems to be possible because actually my wife ( a Cuban beauty)finds Donald very sexy too.
That's the reason i'm always going alone to SD or Fagen concerts. I'm not taking any risk.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:30:35 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, front yard now
Raj: You're just hiding your eyetooth envy, friend. woof
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:25:13 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Well all this talk about set lists and Liverpool is certainly whetting my appetite!! Can't wait for 5th July (Birmingham) and 6th (Liverpool) to come!! It's worth making the 9000 mile trek yet again (well, it was about 14,000 miles last year!). The Liverpool show will be the Off-Spring's Steely christening as she has consented to accompany me!! The Birmingham show will be a major re-union with my former best buddie who I introduced to SD at their Manchester show back in '74.
I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!!
If any Brit fans out there are holding a Dan Fest or just a get-together, please let me know....would love to meet up with you all!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:20:09 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, what were once bad habits
Jeez, Raj. I thought you knew better by now.
How many times you been hitched?
My favorite misheard lyric of all time: Call me, De-confused....
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:16:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
New-New, are you kidding me? Those two old bats would clean and jerk him like banshees. They actually find him sexy. Just how and attendant to what criteria, I just can't figure out cause Donald looks like Frankenstein. I thought girls liked a good looking guy.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:13:55 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
There were times when I thought Donald was singing words other than the actual lyrics. For example:
Parker's Band
-------------
What I thought: You'll be riding by, babe I've got your armadillo
Actual lyric: You'll be riding by, bareback on your armadillo.
What I thought: We will spend a breezy weekend slapped into a trance.
Actual lyric: We will spend a dizzy weekend smacked into a trance.
Dr Wu
-----
What I thought: Katy Trial, I was halfway crucified.
Actual lyric: Katy tried, I was halfway crucified.
What I thought: This game bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day.
Actual Lyric: Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day.
Throw Back The Little Ones
--------------------------
What I thought: Hot lips and rhetoric don't count much for nothing.
Actual lyric: Hot licks and rhetoric don't count much for nothing.
Kid Charlemagne
---------------
What I thought: Everyone stopped to stare at your technical immobility.
Actual lyric: Everyone stopped to stare at your technicolor motor home.
The Caves Of Altamira
---------------------
What I thought: I'd hide inside a hole of rock and sand.
Actual lyric: I'd hide inside a hall of rock and sand.
Home At Last
------------
What I thought: I know this super highway is quite familiar, son.
Actual lyric: I know this super highway, this bright familiar sun.
What I thought: She serves the smooth red cedar.
Actual lyric: She serves the smooth retsina.
I Got The News
--------------
What I thought: How was I to know about the warm, soft brazier you've been keeping for years.
Actual lyric: How was I to know about the warm soulful secret you've been keeping for years.
FM
--
What I thought: Bury the bottle rama, it's grapefruit wine.
Actual lyric: Worry the bottle Mamma, it's grapefruit wine.
Babylon Sisters
---------------
What I thought: What's Jacquin Showfole gonna sing?
(Shakes head -- who the hell is Jacquin Showfole!?!?!)
Actual lyric: We'll jog with show folk on the sand.
Hey Ninteen
-----------
What I thought: I was the dandy of Dalevick High.
Actual lyric: I was the dandy of Gamma Chi.
Etc. Etc.
Er, anyway, one thing that's been bothering me is the hiss on You Got The Bear, so I decided to clean it up and now it sounds much better.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:04:47 ET
Posted by: Just thinking., .
Didn't Donald sing about waiting for a dancer by the stage door?
Bob Seger did too.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 11:01:19 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Ofc. as usual
Raj: What would Gretch and Fifer do if they had Donald's aftershow audience? Just curious your reaction. Nwk
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 10:59:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, doing the 9 to whatevah
I must admit that I am all but oblivious to what everyone else is doing during a show. But then, isn't that one of the benefits to sitting with friends/fellow Bluebookers and all having a similar groove going on? I know the Pechanga gang-a will concur!
Oh and I do have a confession to make. Father, please forgive me for I have sinned.... the last night in Boston, I had to skip to the loo during Haitian Divorce. I still feel guilty.
Why oh why does Chicago have to be a weekday show?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 10:51:00 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Thanks, GM and Hoops, for posting the setlist. I had a question about Don yelling at people getting up to get a beer for Gaslighting Abbie. Did he stop the song? Say it during the song? Before the song? Any details would be great. I love that Don did what everyone here wishes they could - shame the people who get up for a beer during the best parts of the show. You should have seen them during Two Against Nature in Boston - probably 200-300 people left as quickly as they could, and they missed the best moment of an already incredible night.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 10:27:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Scouser, I only know one person from Liverpool and he is indeed a staunch, trusted and faithful friend. But oh-so prickly. Generally speakin, everyone I've ever met or worked with that sported a funny kinda English accent have been to a man good and decent and straightforward people. Except for my second wife, Lois, now she was a rotter.
GGarcia, I did not know about Owsley's later incarnations. Man, what an interesting life, does he have an autobio I wonder? And you know, he did kind of change the world. I realize the zeitgeist of the 60s never really panned out but it did change our generation into something totally different than what has ever come before. OK, now we've mostly all sold out and some of us even vote Republican now and then, I know I have, but for me, the psychedelic experiences I had forever changed the way I see the world. There's many levels of reality out there but really the only one that matters is the one you inhabit. OK, too much crunchy granola, I'll own.
Yup, Fife and Gretchen were up to their old Stage Door Betty antics last night. Seems Libby rolled up in a limo, got out and picked Donald up. I guess she doesn't trust him with all those adoring groupie-chicks who wait out on 75th street ;)
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 09:35:05 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Thanks for the updates GM...and please dis-regard the old quib's.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 08:44:13 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, backyard
Grrrrrrrr! Take a day off jinx worm. 2dgs
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 08:26:50 ET
Posted by: wormtom, nola
damn - Gaslighting and Chain Lightening in the same set
nice
girl margaret - not to quib
did you actually pay attention to the show?
busy text messaging the whole time
there is an easier way - take an old setlist and just scratch out the substituted songs, much easier and you can sit back and relax
and fully take it all in
and post your full thoughts an hour later
almost considering Chicago or Wisconsin
the band is very tight, and yes Walter has really stepped up his game
too funny on the beer and bathroom response from the Donald
Ringo - not flashy but blended well
his sense of humor was a godsend
watch the Beatles Anthology DVD (a must own) released a few years ago
at least he doesn't try to change history like McCarteny
"I don't know who's idea MMT was, humm"
vinyl - it's clearly superior to digital
micro level damage is over exagerrated
especially on the newer smaller stylus designs that go deeper in the groove
got a Miles Smiles lp the other day that is stellar
unlocking that old vinyl charm
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 03:52:22 ET
Posted by: Ringo, The Ferry
RAJ.RAJ..RAJ
He lives here in LA, Adorable.
Ringo has an old friend who went over there one day, Ringo called out from behind his kit, come over here, I'll teach you how to play the drums!" Isn't that just so...Ringo? Adorable.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 03:33:04 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
Hey Raj.Are you ready to cross that fine line.
1. You have never spent any time in Liverpool
2. You have never spent any time in Liverpool
3. You have never spent any time in Liverpool
4. You have never spent any time in Liverpool
5. You have never spent any time in Liverpool
6. Did i say You have never spent any time in Liverpool
7. If you ever go to Liverpool and made a friend they will die for you.
8. But if you cross that fine line..........Learn to work that Sax bro
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 02:07:20 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, yorktown
So.....Mo missin' ya. we hung @ the Roseland shows... so glad you made it, but didn't get to see ya :(... and the show wasss really tight in my opinion. Chain lighting... Soo Goood... Keith is just on it everytime I see him but just spectacular to see such talent. the boys were hot and spicy tonight... luv the danfans.... see ya Wed.. and for all those assholes going to the last show or overseas..... sing one for me
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 00:40:57 ET
Posted by: Explained,
Girl Margaret texted the set list to Hoops.
Hoops posted the messages from Girl Margaret.
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 00:34:43 ET
Posted by: How Did You Do That,
Girl Margret. How did you do that? Did you bring a laptop with WAN or PDA to the show?
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 00:31:58 ET
Posted by: Mo, Just back from the Beacon
Wow, what a show tonight!! The band was on fire!! Chain Lightning blew me away. I have always felt that it was a sexy song, but adding the horns into it tonight, well, it was pretty close to orgasmic! Girl Margaret posted all the songs in order in individual posts as they were played, but for those of you who would like the setlist in list form, here goes:
Jeri
Time Out of Mind (Donald and Walter were having a great time trading riffs in this song) - I enjoy this every time, but it seemed even better tonight.....
Godwhacker (after which Donald quips "I'm so excited, I just can't hide it")
Bad Sneakers
2VN (just great tonight - really tight - lots of jamming)
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (killer solo by Jon)
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Gaslighting Abbie (people were getting up to go to the bathroom and Donald yells out "Hey! Hey you!! Get back here!!)
Dirty Work
Josie
Band Intros
Chain Lightning!!!!
Aja
Kid C
Encores:
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Carolyn
During Hey 19 Walter went into this really long spiel - I wish I could remember it word for word, but it went something like this "Well, it's Monday night, and you're feeling kinda lonely. You pick up a girl and you go to the video store and rent a couple of movies. You go back to your place and you tell her 'gee, I really like you and I'd like to get to know you better'....(something to that effect, I can't remember exact words)...and she says 'before we do that, couldn't we have something to drink?' And he says 'what do you want? I have um, some ginger ale, or some water, oh, there's some half and half, and some Tang (I was cracking up!!). And it went on until the girls came in with "the Cuervo Gold"......just hilarious!!
This was my 3rd Beacon show, and I don't know if it's just me, but I thought that the band was sooooo tight tonight, soooo into it, and they jammed longer on some of the songs. IIRC, they started a bit before 9:00 and played until 10:45. I really hope that someone recorded this one
Now I'm wishing I had tickets for Wednesday's show.....
Night, night,
~Mo~
Date: Tues, June 12, 2007, 00:27:20 ET
Posted by: G Garcia, Embarcadero
Re: Kid C.
Owsley was/is no loser, in real life. But in the song, Fagen is basically mocking him and the ideas of he and Dr. Timothy Leary that LSD and the "mind expansion" philosophy that was to be the dawning of a new enlightenment just didn't work out like they planned. For a brief time they "had it all" so to speak, they got masses to follow, they probably got laid more times than Ron Jeremy--they were the Champions. With a "Jesus-like" following, if you will.
For his defiance of the law (Owsley got way the first time because the cops were looking for Meth, on a technicality) and served three years in prison. But he righted himself and as a talented sound engineer he created the Dead's Wall of Sound into the early to mid 1970's. He also was involved in founding Alembic Sound, maker of high-end instruments. He also worked as television production engineer.
Owsley then moved on to Australia where he is an exotic jewelry designer, with his wife. This is important because Fagen may EVEN be mocking that career change, when he says Owsley "crossed a diamond with a pearl" (get it?).
Owsley could even be considered a Renaissance Man, with talents in hard sciences such as chemistry, electronics and acoustics. For a time was a major social force breaking barriers that no longer exist today. He served in the military (Air Force) and is artistic in the jewelry design business.
Owsley has a website http://www.thebear.org/
One of his essays describes in technical detail various styluses and vinyl, and how vinyl compares with digital recording, which has been a topic on the Blue of late. Interestingly, one or two plays of a vinyl record alters the audio information by micro-abrasion of the plastic.
If you want a REAL loser, you'll need to go to Deacon Blues or Charlie Freak or the dude in Lunch With Gina etc..........
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 23:37:08 ET
Posted by: walt doppelgänger , ganger, ganger
yo.
1. the best version of murder by numbers is the zappa/sting version
2. anybody disses hal blaine - you gotta deal with me and it ain't gonna be pretty
3. rhubarb is great raw with salt
4. fear the gaucho bomb http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_159222541.html
5. lisa g is da bomb
6. just get this recording/but don't expect a return email fron the crum bum: http://www.mikedemicco.com/asthesunsets.htm
7. took walt's advice, got a hooker, took a dump in her purse, DIDN"T GET OFF!! - walt, you owe me a jackson!
8. do not linger on the flat 5
9. you too can email valerie perrine http://www.valerieperrine.com/
10. walt should play a big fat old jazz box like a "wes" http://www.gibsoncustom.com/flash/products/archtops/WesMontgomery/WesMontgomery.html
11. .... well, he could save up for one!
12. i can't wait to see baka beyond - live!
13. whatever happened to lightbulb jokes?
14. what if the 2007 beach boys had a concert and no one showed up?
15, what are the real names of the girls who sang with SD in 73?
16. hidden palms - sharon lawrence is totally too good for this stinker.
17. Taka Boom - two guesses who - http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Taka%20Boom.html
18. rent: missisippi masala
19. hey, 19 - love the sentiment - bored with the tune
20. ¿got Annunaki?
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 23:08:40 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @ home
Thanks for the updates, GM. Sounds like it was a really sexy show.
Hope Chain Lightning makes it to the Milwaukee show.
KC
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:46:38 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
My old school and carolyn
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:32:38 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Plog 4 encore
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:25:43 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Goddamn this is a sexy show! now kid c
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:18:55 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
That was the sexiest shit ever! then it got quiet 4 a bit and people were screaming for 4 dr wu and don yelled out what? what? and now it's aja
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:10:17 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
HOLY SHIT! CHAIN LIGHTNING!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:06:56 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Walter called kc the best drummer of his generation!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:04:35 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Band intros
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 22:00:27 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Josie walter is on fuckin fire 2nite!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:54:26 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Dirty work. no phoebe but it's all good
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:49:58 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Omg gasliting abbey! donald yelled hey! come back here! 2 people going to the bar/bathroom
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:40:59 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Babylon sisters
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:36:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Peg! blessed peg!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:30:30 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Walter doin haitain! damn the show sounds good 2nite!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:23:41 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Hey nineteen
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:17:27 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
2vn
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:13:17 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Bad sneakers
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 21:06:02 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
godwhacker
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 20:59:50 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
Toom
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 20:59:27 ET
Posted by: h2f, at the Beacon show,
it just started!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 20:56:41 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, at the Beacon show,
jeri!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 20:44:35 ET
Posted by: Newark, Rap with your cane
Such a wit. Loser
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:29:50 ET
Posted by: Maurice Chevalier,
Thank heaven for little girls...
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:26:33 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Alas, Girl Margaret, after reading your last two posts, I miss the days we never spent together.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:23:07 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Arghhhhh...I'm such an idiot...not TITLES (obviously) of Gaucho but pressings...I took a look and I have 2 half-speeds of "Gaucho" and they are:
1) MCA Records Audiophile on Teldec vinyl MCA-16009 - believe that is a US pressing
2) MCA Masterfile Series MCA-6102 - believe that is a Canadian pressing...my note in it says "Purchased at 'Wax and Facts' 12/31/93 for $6.00"
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:20:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
All I know about BJ Wilson is that he drummed for Procol Harum. Not Whiter Shade of Pale but the Conquistador era. I don't know if his big spalshy style would've fit the Beatles early tight little grooves but he would've done a much better job on the Abbey Road medley that Paul. That's when Paul jumped the shark.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:09:20 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
drop-out moment...should finish as a bigger loser in the life?
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:07:47 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah,
Rereading you post and, yes, things did change in '62 for Ringo...and for Pete Best!
IYO, who other than Tesla and Steven Weed (insert Royal Scam flashback...KC, DTMA and a dash of SLA) would be a bidder loser in life.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 18:02:49 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah,
Great stuff...I DO remember the hospital aspect now that you mention it...wasn't their a similar hospital episode in Joni's youth? (yeah Cat Stevens also but that seemed to me, at the time, to be a publicity angle for "The Hurt").
I'm going to give the Beatles movies another look for the Ringo stuff (insert two-fingered peace sign here...gotta like him for trying to keep it alive...whatever "it" now is). He was the most Bill Gatesish looking Beatle but I think he looks/looked:( the best in shades!
Your thoughts on the BJ Wilson/Beatles supposition?...perhaps BJ (sad case) would have pushed them to be bit more percussively prog before they went there?...I think the Beatles move to (semi?)prog is where Ringo's technical shortcomings evidenced themselves...yet, I still like the fact that his contained ego allowed him to be simplem concise and pocket-oriented (ala all Steely Dan drummers)...also the ubiquitous Ludwig Blue Oyster Pearl 5 piece for all those 5-6 years...that was a lifetime back then, wasn't it?.
BTW...I do like vinyl and a few audiophile copies of Steely Dan stuff...a couple different half-speeds of Gaucho...interested in the titles?
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 17:45:20 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Danfest bound
Jim, that is the full setlist, plus Babylon Sisters and Josie, as someone else kindly mentioned. Forgive my burned out brain, a girl's got to enjoy her days off from work somehow. And dammit, I'm still hungover! But it was good stuff last night, good times.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 17:35:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bob - At last, some class and comportment around here. Most folks on here are very nice and we just brutalize the rest. As Tony Montana would say, "I like you, I'll let you boink my sister." I've cleaned that up, BTW.
Kid Charlemagne is a furiously hectic song, reminds me of the tone of the last scene in Goodfellas. Only I don't think Owsley ever got popped like Henry Hill. Didja know he was for a time Grateful Dead's soundman? Yup and a pretty fair chemist.
Ringo's performance in Hard Days Night, in addition to coining that phrase which John co-opted, had a depth and a richness. The ennui of the loner, not the glamour boy the other three were, he was a schlub, kinda funny lookin, he was you and me. The scene where he takes off and meanders down to that nasty looking urban waterway and meets that kid strikes all the right chords in just the way and due in great part to the great master of 60s comedy and pathos, Richard Lester. Ringo was a very sickly kid and in and out of hospitals a lot. He once rolled out of bed and broke like a bunch of bones or something, missed a few years of school. A bit of an outcast, attracted some bad luck. Until 1962, the, things changed radically and forever for Richard Starkey. He is himself a great story.
Paul, John and George were their musical brain, conscience and spirtuality but Ringo, Ringo was their heart.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 17:25:44 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, Another Tanqueray
I hear you TJ! :) But don't forget the way Don's amazing synth solo transitions to the last knockout verse. God knows!!
lovethisgig
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 16:36:22 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
GGarcia and Rajah
OK, I admit it, you schooled me.
I do appreciate your taking time to present the literal lyric interpretations...backed up by the "I was there" evidence.
The gods will shine upon you for taking it easy on the newbie.
I would like to believe our iconic duo would have encrypted a little more Danesque obfuscation into the lyrics of that tune but I guess I was looking for conspiracies that don't exist. Plenty elsewhere to plunder.
Raj...I'm with you on the Ringo thing (that guy that's supposedly in Thailand must be smoking too much Stick). But, I do respect Ringo for his understanding, more perhaps than any other rock star, that he has been blessed. I would believe that he, more than anyone else, has come the closest to falling on his knees and thanking Jesus for his fame...can't imagine it of McCartney, Jagger or even Watts for that matter. Public personas are cultivated for sure but who else would hire Gary Brooker, etc. for tours.
Also in staying "Beyond the Pale", could you imagine what the Beatles may have been with say, B.J. Wilson, occupiing the drum throne.
Both of you stay well and keep the good posts coming.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 16:16:53 ET
Posted by: Dan Researcher, .
A search on netjets/Steely Dan turned up this band. I had never heard of them.
http://www.ajavu.com/
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:40:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah, they were high
Too much ganja last night, H, short-term memory shot.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:18:27 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
No chance of a ful set list from last night, huh?
Sigh.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:08:09 ET
Posted by: Randall, NYC
Well said Rajah!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:06:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, that was indeed me and neener neener to you. Thanks for re-posting it, you are nothing if not transparent. And anonymous at one and the same time. Neat trick. I know you hate me cause I'm beautiful, you're deeply conflicted. You want me, you can't have me, I understand.
The sound at the Beacon just shoots straight up into ceiling. From seeing many Allman Bros. shows there over the last few years, I think it actually sounds better in the mezzanine. At least it whizzes by you on the way up to that caverous ceiling. The place is old and in disrepair but it could be re-done bautifully, it still has all that great decorative molding. It serves the rolling thunder of most Allman songs but like when Donald did Goodbye Look, a very tight arrangement, it sounded jumbled and off somehow, weird echo patterns.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:06:20 ET
Posted by: JM, NJ
Beacon 6/10 setlist also had Babylon Sisters and Josie. Sound was fine from the third row. If you are in the balcony sound is not good up there. I thought it was the best show in comparison to Beacon 5/22 and Atlantic City. Vocals and playing were fresh and strong following a nite off.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 14:06:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Thanks GM. What a great show. I hope there is a surprise for tonite
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 13:45:31 ET
Posted by: Drummer At Large, La La Land
RAJ,
Tsk, tsk, tsk; Did you REALLY post this:
"Listen, cocksucker, when you get the balls to post your email then come at me with your bullshit. I love Ringo's legacy. You stupid fuck."
If not, then maybe one of your two fans did. Either mom or dad?
If so, then all I can say is, "Nyeah, nyeah" heh heh heh
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 13:31:22 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, The wiggy tempo apt.
I almost forgot - the band played Carolyn as the outtro.
The band also did a private show earlier in the day for NetJets, which - according to Ed - is a carrier that flies them everywhere or something (my head is still hurting from last night). Geoff walked by the theater for something to eat and thought he was hearing the longest soundcheck in creation!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 13:28:05 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Our wiggy tempo apartment
Wow, judging from the text messages I sent Hoops and Ed last night I can see why the setlist looks a bit "incomplete." Geoff and I were at Yogi's making new friends and trying new drinks for a good three or four hours before the show, so Lord knows what hieroglyphics I was sending out (although looking at those texts now I am certainly having a good laugh). So here goes the set list for last night:
Jeri (band only)
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey Nineteen (I can't remember Walter's story, it was really short)
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Bodhisatva
Dirty Work - Donald introduces the song like he usually does, Carlock is about to count it off when Don says, "Wait a minute, sorry Keith." Then goes on to introduce a "special guest" and God help me I prayed it was Martha Wainwright. Imagine my surprise when he brought PHOEBE SNOW to the stage! And girl, she owns that song! Those of y'all who saw Ollabelle in February will recall Phoebe tore that song UP during those concerts. OH what a pleasant surprise! The place went abso-fucking-lutely nuts for her. End of the song she hugs and kisses Donald, then Walter, then Jon Herington and walks offstage to throngs of cheers!
Aja
Black Cow
Kid Charlamagne
Encores:
Pretzel Logic (I think it was Jeff Young's best solo ever)
My Old School
Hopefully tonight's text messages will be a little more clear, or at least contain some actual words.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 12:21:28 ET
Posted by: What a Shame,
Geoff, Right on about the sound at the Beacon. Isn't it a shame that the NYC venue has the worst sound out of all the venues they're playing? It's just not right!
I went to the SD show here in May and the sound was horrific. I figured I'd give it another shot last night and it was almost as bad as the May show. Their is NO reason that a venue in a casino in Atlantic City should sound better than a major venue in New York City.
I found out the Beacon was recently sold to the same guy that owns Radio City Music Hall and Madison Square Garden. I believe by the end of this year they're closing the Beacon down for a few years for a total renovation including a brand new multi -million dollar PA.
Maybe SD should have waited until this place had it's "make over" before settling to do five shows here. Boy, for a band that spent it's entire career perfecting it's sound it sure screwed up by playing this shit hole.
Maybe when everybody here was calling for a Roseland show they actually knew what they were talking about. That place sounds like magic!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 12:08:17 ET
Posted by: Raven, Laptop Pinetop
Glad you went to lunch with the dictator, hope you gag on it. FYI, Rich is playing over 25 bps, id; I'll pay you to put your glasses back on. Now, check your math. 1500 bpm. Yea, I'm gonna tap something. Don't come back until you're really ready to get serious. I'll hold 'er down in the meantime. Later, Ravin' dishes and laundry at the union hall. HIDE!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 11:47:12 ET
Posted by: Newerker, P.A., Getting serious on the Eastern Sho'
On the Subject of albums, .
Mention of examining the grooves on vinyl. yea man--check out sound effects waves on any album. Whoah. I cannot lay my hands on my Python's--I think--Tie and Hankerchief album, the sleeve has a guy with a tiny head and with a really tight shirt and tie on, which is--where the hell is it?--one of my most prized albums. I theorize, someone please verify, that there is a doubled parallel groove laid down on the thing.
I recall listening to it and marveling at the surface wavers and diggin' it to the utmost. Then one day, I was listening and a whole new set of crazy antics materialized. What tha? Evidently, the needle fell upon that parallel groove and, well, another unsolved mystery in my collection waiting to be answered. Where the hell is that baby? Anyone else experience this phenomenon with that album?
Looking and learning at the Beacon online. I don't get the sound review, Geoff. Got some mora, if possible? How can this be? --I cannot repeat your chosen one-word summation. Was this another one of those acoustic challenges found often times in the older theaters? Could you hear the individuals in the band? How was Phoebe? She must be awesome!
Do ya have any critical analyses, G? whatzup with all that? solution? thx in advance. nwk
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 11:08:30 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Geoff, thanks for posting; yeah, tracks are missing -- not even my set list. Ummm...as always, Geoff or someone, could we have a full a set list?
Grovel grovel.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 10:59:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Mike in CT:
What post are you referring to? I haven't deleted even a spam post in 2.5 days. I see one post from you (with chords) about 4:38 am this morning (that's 3:38 am when I was sleeping). Are you speaking of a different post or...could it be you didn't hit "reload" or some other possibility I'm not aware of...please reply via email.
Jim
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 04:46:41 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Wow, so by posting a few chords to a SD song I get my post deleted?
-----
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 04:38:32 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Post with a bunch of chords appears
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 10:54:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah, bumper to bumper
"So, Raj, what is the speed of a 16th note on drums using atomic time and the 1200 bpm variable?"
New-New, that would roughtly be the speed of "Wipe Out" peformed by space aliens on amphetamines. Buddy Rich could do it.
So JR, the Two have told us that it was one entire side of Aja that was lost for surround purposes. Who's got the real news here? And can something sneaky be done like lift Donald's voice off the tapes and have the band re-record the instrumentals on a multitrack gizmo-thingy and then bung those vocals onto it?
Keep us posted as to which new vinyl is the real McCoy.
I also have like six vinyls of Aja including the red vinyl one and a promo copy which only has the Aja track on both sides and is played at 45rpm.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 09:58:38 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Ofc.
For what itz werthe: The acoustics at Ntelos in Portmouth were superb. What a night! Maybe later, perhaps. (clear throat).
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 09:52:16 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
Hoops, JR et al :
I talked to the guys at Acoustic Sounds, who will be selling both the Kevin Gray mastered and "approved" copy of Aja and the Japanese version from Universal Records and they tell me that the Japanese version was advertised by them (Universal) as being from the original analog master tapes, however, they will not be able to confirm that until they arrive on 8/13.
As they pointed out, oftentimes imported vinyl, when it arrives, turns out not to be what it was advertised as.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 09:42:57 ET
Posted by: Traffic @6:42,
Raj is stuck in traffic
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 09:14:57 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy hotel in NYC
The sound at Beacon was terible. It sounded like someone forgot to turn on the PA, and all you could hear was monitors.
But the band played their arses off
They did Godwhacker too, missing from Hoops' earlier setlist. This is a track form the recent "Everything must go" CD/Vinyl album outing. Not sure how may bpm, rpm, etc, but they did the old
bap bab - bap bap bap
horn accent while trading in the horn solos section.
After the show I met Little Miss Bayside, adorable, with a fresh perspective on the whole thing.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 08:46:41 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wish I was at some wiggy deck
JR - so if the only thing left is this two track master, how do they do a re-mix? Swap left and right channels? Mix a little bit of the original left with the right or visa versa, or both? I'm not a DJ, so I don't understand these things.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 08:43:33 ET
Posted by: Fife, On My Way
NYC bound WHOOHOO!!!!
See you all in awhile, can't wait.
Fife
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 08:34:25 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Ofc.
Okay, freak of nature-- R, I get you. Eat crowbait and die--NO!!! Better yet, live long and continue NOT to prosper. hehe. When you croak, I'll be waiting. I'm gonna USE you for crow bait, grinding up your carcass and mixing it with grub meal. Sound good?
Waking to find this flippin dillydalleying! FYI, the boss just called and will be here soon. So you're gonna get it--just stop, F*@K wad. Also, FYI, you've become a nuisance to this East Coast sea-level biosystem, and you just precipitated an increase in the local broadband shower. Your shit makes the fuzz on the back of my neck stand up.
But on the other hand and in the meantime, thank you for what I noticed in that juxtaposition of clips not only a plast (blast from the past) but Rich's tapping against the timer (lower left) in that Plant/Bonham news clip exceeds that 20 beat per second (bps) counter. Well--humpf! That means, doin the math, Rich is tapping around 1200 beats per minute (bpm)--so?
So, Raj, what is the speed of a 16th note on drums using atomic time and the 1200 bpm variable?
I'm gonna tap on something.
hugs, j & j Now, back to organizing the CDs. hehe
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 04:46:41 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Wow, so by posting a few chords to a SD song I get my post deleted?
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 04:38:32 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
Aaaw, they're not playing Glamour Profession live. Dang it.
Anyway, I've been working over the Second Arrangement progressions and really love how the song is constructed. I especially love the harmonic surprise at the end of the studio outtake that goes something like this~
B bass / F# A B D# (B7 in 2nd inv.)
move bass up to E / chord up h-s to G B D E (Emin7 1st inv.)
-rest-
(quickly) hit lower E / down h-s to F# A B
up to A / up h-s to G A C E (Amin7 3rd inv.)
up to B / down h-s to F# A B D (Bmin7 2nd inv.)
up to C / down to C E G B (CM7)
down to B / up w-s to D F# A (D)
Back to E minor (play in 2nd inv. like a Mu Major chord)...
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 02:26:15 ET
Posted by: vynyl technical note, BG studios
FYI The lost tapes for the songs Black Cow and Aja were the MULTITRACKS. That means a true surround mix (as one example) can never be made of those two songs because that sort of remix requires working from the multitrack. They could simulate a surround mix from less than a multitrack but it would be sub-par by our boys' standards.
HOWEVER A vinyl requires only the 2-track mix, which they have and have had for all songs on Aja. So lost multitracks don't impact a vinyl remix at all
As for the differences in the US and Japan vinyl releases this summer that needs more research. Could be it is the same "approved" mix...but just different manufacturing specs in each country. Or it could be one is legit and another is just trying to capitalize on the legit release (have you ever noticed around the date of an official new SD album, another few dozen "new" versions of the old 60 demos happen to show up on the "new releases" databases?). I will ask around for information and report back if I learn anything on the US vs Japan vinyl
JR
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 01:20:39 ET
Posted by: Raven, Location: Laptop in the Dark
K, Thx for sneak preview of Beacon. Their passion is undeniable. Gads!
This digitized life can be very strange. I came upon a wild occurrence--open both links and play together, if your 'chine can handle it--
Start this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_DZnWIWkCA
Then start this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0fqgq6ZMZY
Wild huh? Enjoy, Ravin' ;>~
I'd fight for a lift of ban of the caponisation of poultry in the United Kingdom, I'd give up grubs, I'd fly South in the summertime--anything to attend any of the happenin gigs in NYC this week.
Date: Mon, June 11, 2007, 00:54:39 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Lady Bayside, as texted to hoops
I received a series of text messages about tonight's beacon show from Girl Margaret with a couple also from Lady B. (THANK YOU!) I'm sure they did more songs than just these--the following isn't the complete set list; clearly Phoebe is the exception of extra special note.
Jeri (just the band before D + W come out)
Time Out of Mind
Bad Sneaks
2vN
Hey 19
Hatian Divorice
Peg
Bodhisattva
PHOEBE SNOW as guest vocalist on Dirty Work
Aja
Black Cow
Kid Charlemagne
Encore
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
----
You all Down Under are in my thoughts.
Thanks for writing, Dr µ; I'd wager the new "Aja" remasterings is simply from what they have--still worth it if you ask me.
Jim
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 23:49:56 ET
Posted by: Jeri, Wild and Windy AU
Hey Fife
Thanks for the thoughts. I can't speak for Scotty and Lynda, but south of Sydney, where we live, we just got lots of wild winds and rain. Scotty and Lynda are on the northern side of Sydney, where it was a bit worse, and they may have had some power outages.
We are just glad that SD isn't here yet - as one of venues is a winery in the Hunter Valley, and the Hunter Valley region was the hardest hit - with flooding and large scale power outages, etc. But plenty of time to dry out before September!
Jeri and Alan
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 20:59:38 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Hoping your all safe and well Alan, Jeri,Scotty and Lynda. The weather looks devastating.
Fife and Mr.Sam
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 20:24:53 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Will Tony sleep with the fishes?
If the band doesn't take the Beacon stage until 10:00PM tonight it's because Walter is watching the series finale of The Sopranos.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 19:30:23 ET
Posted by: Roseland Attendee, .
TJ,
You shoulda heard the way they did the horn outro at Roseland in '03. Good stuff.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 19:29:30 ET
Posted by: Roseland Attendee, .
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 18:43:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey Ed, that article was hilarious and so appropos. We are music snobs over here on Blue but as the article so succinctly noted at the end:
"Because let's face it, only one thing is more incorrigible than my snobbery, people, and that's your indefensibly crappy taste in music."
The Morph vinyl is rich like a German chocolate cake. With nuts.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 17:12:03 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I just can't believe how great a song Lunch With gina is! I absolutely love everything about it. From it's funky drumbeat and it's paranoid lyrics to the mindblowing never heard before horn chart in the outro!
Just had to get it of my chest..
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 15:47:04 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Steely Bags
Here's a few pix of the handbags at the Boston Danfest. Modeled by the gorgeous Danny-award winning Girl Margaret.....
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2091148965&code=28416331&mode=invite&DCMP=isc-email-AlbumInvite
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 15:27:07 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,
hoops: I thought the dynamic duo were still looking for the MIA Masters from Aja
Q: 2vN in DVD-A is a completely different album compared with the CD, as is The Nightfly (with remix) and Kama. The Nightfly on DVD-A surpasses even the 1992 vinyl, which was th best vinyl album I ever heard. The only reason I'm looking forward to the Fagen boxset is a remixed Kama. The original is Sci-fi weird and 2-D. The DVD-A version has some spunk. Weird becomes good listening to Countermoon on DVD-A.
GET NIGHTFLY, 2vN, and KAMA on DVD-A NOW!
I haven't done the homework, but assume Blue-ray audio is coming (which is the reason DVD-A hasn't been pushed hard?) and will make this entire argument moot? Blue Ray will be standard because of its Hi-Def 1080p capability. 12 cm disc holds 25 GB with Lossless PCM and DTX, Dolby codecs. Theoretically, Universal players in time would play CDs, DVD-A, Blue ray audio and video.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 14:27:52 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
Hoops :
Sorry for the speculation, but all I know is that the Japanese version is produced by Universal Records in Japan. Whether they used the same master as Acoustech Mastering I cannot say. Their website doesn't say either.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 13:14:24 ET
Posted by: Jolly Roger,
Hey! I'll be at all three shows at the Beacon this week! And I can't to hear the same exact set list every night!!
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 12:54:41 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Thanks for the comments, Jazzman. I am familar with the info about those because it was in the Digest, where I first heard about all this. Let me ask the question a different way:
Anyone seen any press releases, etc that answer if the Japanese version will use the master as the domestic one that is approved by Becker and Fagen. Looking for a definitive answer--Looking for a "yes" or "no" rather than our usual wonderful collective speculation.
THANKS Jazzman, Q, Randy and others.
Jim
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 12:41:37 ET
Posted by: On the Subject of albums, .
My first purchase of Katy Lied was on CD in 1987, and contained technical notes about how it was recorded. It made mention of the fact that the vinyl had cool patterns because of the variation in the width of the grooves. Anybody ever notice this?
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 12:29:06 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
The version from Acoustic Sounds is mastered by Steve Hoffman and Kevin Gray, the same two guys who did Morph The Cat, which was allegedly approved by Donald Fagen. I have a number of albums mastered by Kevin Gray in particular, including Morph, and can vouch for the fact that they are a very worthwhile buy. The clarity and separation, apart from anything else are second to none. They claim to have mastered this from the original master tapes, but another poster below believes that part of these were damaged some years ago.
From what I see on the website I do not think that the Japanese pressing is mastered by Acoustic Sounds. Normally albums mastered by them have the Acoustic Sounds label next to them. There is also a Japanese pressing of Gaucho available on their website.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 11:51:29 ET
Posted by: Geoff, The long and wiggy road
Q,
are you going to any more shows? Someone has to defend digital audio, and I don't have the time to get into it here, but over a few beers, anytime mate.
Geoff
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 11:12:04 ET
Posted by: hoops,
If I'm reading the website at AcousticSounds.com correctly, there are TWO "Aja" LPs coming in August. One from Japan on 200 g vinyl and another on 180 g vinyl presumably from the US. The latter states explicitly that Becker/Fagen approve.
I wonder if both are the same with the only difference being vinyl and country or if they are two competing versions--as if any version could compete with one having D+W's approval. Anyone know if they are the same master that D + W have approved?
When 2vN came out on vinyl, I pre-ordered it. Then there was an item from Walter Becker in the Official Steely Dan Newsletter which is also viewable at http://www.steelydan.com/discog.2.html
I enjoyed the vinyl version of 2vN, and although it was put out on Reprise/Giant, apparently it's not up to snuff, if I understand correctly.
I wanted to buy the vinyl version of Kamakiriad and I put it off for a week. Dang! If I didn't come back and find it gone. And it was selling for only like $15. Would love to get my mitts on that.
Jim
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 08:23:11 ET
Posted by: BC,
Jaco -
You're probably right about BC being a misfit for SD and Jaco being a wiseass/cocky guy.
But it still pisses me off that BP and CR aren't more humble - I would admire and respect them even more if they were.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 07:54:19 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
LWO, I can send you pix of the front and back of my "CTE man bag". Send me an email and I'll reply with the them.
Fife, good to hear your voice yesterday. Sorry I coudn't talk longer, I was taking my daughter to an appointment and in typical fashion we were running a bit beyond late.
Hope eveyone is having a good weekend!
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 07:22:24 ET
Posted by: wt, ~
q - the went for the acousticsounds.com version
you probably already own the best aja and gaucho pressings
pristine first pressings in country of orgin (USA)
I have at least 10 copies of Aja including Japanese
ordered the new McCartney - fluff or flavor???
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 07:17:57 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
If Sam Yahel really plays about 30-35 minutes and the setchange needs 25 more minutes, ...well that means that Steely Dan will start at 10.30pm in Lucca.
So that could mean that the setlist will be no longer than the traditional 1hour and 15 minutes. That's exactly the time they receive at the Jazzfests.
I don't know till what time artists may play in Italy, but i presume openairshows must be over before midnight. So let's prepare us for a 1h15m show in Lucca.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 06:57:25 ET
Posted by: wormtom, near dc
Q - TVN definitely suffers from digititis
title track and woh on a revealing system the snare rim shots are ear splitting. they should have some analog reels somewhere in the process
I recall posting on this and people thought I was crazy
when I had to listen to the album in the next room to filter out all the high freq shrill
our comments on the old yellow and Nichols own near caotic mastering led to an analog EMG
that album would have been stellar without 3 filler cuts on side one
as for vinyl I am a long time fan and have really stepped up my analog rig this year so I can't wait. thought aja only had two problems with the master tapes black cow being one (but backup copies are what everything else has been mastered from)
thanks for the good news on the analog reissues, emg sounds greatg but morph was made too bass heavy, there are inferior tan unauthorized vinyl out there - probably from that god awful cd source
raven - Hi
I hope the DAN really lay it out and vary it up at the Beacon but I doubt it
The setlist has revised and they are damn tight
considering Chicago
wt
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 05:52:50 ET
Posted by: Q, Southland
LisaG,
My point exactly. With respect to the content (ie the writing, lyrics, and execution by the band) 2VN is a very good album overall - especially when compared to the uninspired commercial junk most of their peers are putting out. And, after all, how many of their "peers" ( artists who have been putting out albums since @ '72) are even still writing new music at all? Most are just touring on their old catalogs and maybe throwing some new junk at us that most in the audience or music consumers would rather not sit through.
But further to your point, I would say the disconnected feeling is a 90%+ a result of the non-dimensional "sterile" pure digital sound. It is harsh, it renders no true sound stage, no depth at all, and is tonally a disaster. While one could go on and on, all of the criticisms are endemic of the all digital production from recording to mastering to final production. The vast majority of digital media suffers one or more of the aforementioned problems. If SD COULD re-record 2VN in analog (which they obviously can't - due to a myriad of practical barriers) and then follow the EMG process, I believe that most people would have a completely different opinion about the album - it would be a butterfly emerging from a cocoon. That it got an engineering Grammy is absurd!
Anyway, they will likely work some magic with it in a reissue and release at least some of the beauty currently locked up within the 0s & 1s that empirically assault the human ear. Even with the most sophisticated CD transport /DAC, and tube equipment you can't unlock the potential that you know lies in that damned disc! It really is among the more brutal CDs on the ear.
LisaG, just make sure you don't listen to it through MP3!! - the lowest form of music media in existence- for now anyway (yah, I know, "they" are busy working on the new and improved MP3 generation...LOL)- ughh - your ears might just start bleeding!
I think the "pot" called for in an earlier post is a necessary evil to produce some kind of experiential alchemy for the current state of 2VN. You might not "connect", but at least you'll have a barrier between you and the 0s and 1s....
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 04:56:39 ET
Posted by: LG, With dictionary in tow
Margeritas...margaritas. Don't drink the stuff...why should I spell it right? :-P
But I'm thinking, who else could find a rhyme that's so devine for such a word? Pure genius. It's everything they say...the end of a perfect album.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 04:32:07 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Biscayne Bay
Thanks for the link, Ed.
Some post-worthy nuggets:
"It would go well with a prissy stereo and some really expensive pot."
" 'Look, we're troglodytes compared with those guys, what with their Steinways and their buttery sax solos and their 50,000 hours of studio time. But such is the shit storm known as the 1980s, and we're going to make of it what we can.' "
Katy never lied to me.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 04:23:29 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Pool of Margeritas
Q--I always felt that TvN had that less-connected feel in comparison to EMG. After seeing the Plush video, I realized that it was a production issue more than a performance issue. Sure the tunes needed the tour to "breathe," but the ultimate finish on the CD had so much sheen, you could practically see through it, although the depth in creativity never disappointed. The live treatments are nothing short of "treats" for all senses.
In a related matter, I would love to hear another live CD, akin to AIA, especially with this kickin' line-up.
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 03:16:52 ET
Posted by: Q, wilderness of mirrors
A double post, but...
For those 3 or 4 people that care about vinyl - not only is there an Aja reissue coming out, but also a vinyl reissue of Gaucho is on limited pre-order status right now and will likely sell out before the Aja offering. Music Direct has it available.
The Gaucho reissue is a Japanese 180gram vinyl offering limited to 1000 pieces worldwide.
Word on the street in "audiophile land" says this Gaucho rendering is among the best ever produced on any media. We'll see, er, hear...
I wasn't totally bashing the Aja, hell, I bought two copies. You never know how any mastering will present itself, no matter what the sourcing. We can only pray that it is a marvelous rendering of an album that deserves to be produced faithfully and gloriously - and that means analog! The story behind this Aja reissue and how it has come to be marketed as being from the original analog source would be intriguing. Did they pull a miracle and fix the compromised analog master?
Just think how many people find the 2VN sound to be "sterile", etc - that's the "all digital" result. Then listen to EMG - that's called analog, even if ultimately resolved in the digital domain. EMG still has a "feel" that no version of 2VN can touch. Word has it that 2VN is being tweaked to liven it up...humanize it, so to speak.
Is it too much to ask to have it re-recorded?.....
Can we get lucky twice? Wouldn't it be nice?
Time for the service elevator!
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 02:25:03 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
CALLING!!>>>>>" Someset Maughn / Opium Jag " -> you have THE NEWS!
Great "deep cut" info there - wow. If not true stories then, still, brilliant fiction!
2 posts containing serious info, or at least sophistication.
Email me! about other acetates....with other interesting histories/stories. I have over 60 of 'em, many of which have similar "deep cuts" in them - including the full Aja LP acetate- mastered by ______ Studios Burbank, CA --->>> Maughn/Opium, I am assuming you know the answer.......
Also, RE: newest 180gram vinyl reissue - can anyone explain how it could possibly have been rendered from "the original American analog tapes" when according to major "deep cut" sources the original analog masters were largely ruined years ago. Specifically "Black Cow" and "Aja" the song were utterly destroyed - completely.
Don't believe everything you read...remember, the MFSL "Aja" vinyl and CD audiophile reissues were not done from the "original master tapes" despite MoFi claiming such. As I understand it from multiple sources including ex-MoFi sound engineer and other former employees, the remastered MCA masters were used by MoFi.
Any thoughts / insights on this question? - re the Aja tapes and this Aja reissue?
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 02:21:20 ET
Posted by: jaco, bernard, chuck
BC
Jaco was pretty arrogant his own self, probably would have been a good pal of Bernard.
Jaco claimed himself "The World's Greatest Bass Player", and when asked if he was being arrogant replied "It ain't bragging if you can back it up."
I always thought Jaco would have been great on a Steely track. His sideman work with Joni Mitchell is timeless.
Billy Cobham, as amazing as he is, would have been a disaster on a Steely track. His grooves are too hyper and nervous. But Buddy Rich could have pulled off a great Steely drum track. He was capable of playing behind singers such as Ella and Mel Torme. I bet Buddy could have pulled off an interesting Aja drum track in a couple of takes and he couldn't even read music (no diss to Steve Gadd)!
Date: Sun, June 10, 2007, 00:20:45 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, not at the beacon shows
Hi
take a gander at this?
http://www.slate.com/id/2129511/
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 21:28:51 ET
Posted by: Edgar Cayce, Bimini Road
I agree. Alot of it IS "Valium Jazz".
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 21:14:53 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Packing for the city
We're going back to Yogi's for the Danfest tomorrow night! I just sent an email to the NYDandom list. Hope to see everyone there!
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 21:09:56 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Gretchen
Will check it out as soon as I find it again. How can something disappear in your own since 7AM this morning
The Golden Years! You ladies have a great show
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 20:33:56 ET
Posted by: laser printer, production office
Sam's set is 35 mins and almost always starts right at listed "showtime"e. Then there's usually 25 mins for set change, and SD plays. So for eg if "showtime" says 8PM, then Sam will play 8:00-8:35, and SD will play at 9PM.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 20:18:38 ET
Posted by: BC,
Speaking of Bernard Purdie and perhaps Chuck Rainey:
With the great recorded/revered talents of Jaco and Billy Cobham (who could on any given day kick both of their asses), how or why do both BP and CR come across in some interviews as cocky and arrogant poopheads?
What ever happened to the notion of LETTING OTHERS SPEAK WELL OF YOU OR WALKING QUIETLY AND CARRYING A BIG (DRUM?) STICK?
Even the most famous bigmouth of all time Muhammad Ali has said that he was "scared to death of Sonny Liston" and beside him "(Joe) Frazier's (at that time) the best fighter in the world."
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 19:19:48 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NY(not play dr wu?)C
Yahel trio comes on within a few minutes of advertised start time. Figure The Donald and Co. an hour later.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 17:55:14 ET
Posted by: Question, S@D
Say the ticket says 7:30 for the start time. Does that mean Sam goes on at eight, or minutes after 7:30?
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 17:41:40 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I've heard people say that about Steely Dan, too. Yahel's set was mellow, but not quite smooth, and most definitely sophisticated.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 17:27:12 ET
Posted by: Great?, uh?
Chris: "Yahel is great"? Yahel's band is like falling asleep in a damn elevator!
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 17:11:42 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Yahel is great, plays about 30-40 minutes, and Steely Dan is going to play the same 1 hr 45 minute set wherever they play.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 16:20:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
"Raj,
Before you criticize Ringo star, ask any pro drummer who's ever tried to emulate his grooves authentically, and I think you'll find them telling you just how surprisingly challenging his feel really was. Ringo was much more gifted than he gets credit for. I realize YOU are not a drummer, so therefore I must respect your lack of credibility, along your world famous reputation for having a big mouth."
Listen, cocksucker, when you get the balls to post your email then come at me with your bullshit. I love Ringo's legacy. You stupid fuck.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 15:38:12 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
I am saddened to hear Yahel the Yahoo will be in Lucca. I was looking forward to "An Evening with Steely Dan" in lovely Lucca. The longer set list on the final night of the Euro tour would be ideal. I will hope for the best.
Lonnie
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 14:42:55 ET
Posted by: Luciano della Lucca,
Deacon Blue,
Yahel coming to Lucca? Nothing against him or his music.
But it does put the Curse of Michael McDonald on the night and basically assures that you're going to be abused like Suzanne Vega's LUKA with a 12-13 song performance out of SD and not the two hours you were counting on seeing.
At least you can say you got to see them. And not much else.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 14:40:01 ET
Posted by: Drummer At Large, La La Land
Stuart [Thailand] ... you embarrass yourself by using a word like "joke" in the same sentence with the name "Buddy Rich"..!
Raj... obviously. :-)
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 14:22:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
To drummer at Large;
I am a drummer, not a good or great one, but a great student of percussion. And I have never held myself out as anything else.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 13:57:10 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Satriale's
Hmmm, how about the band sampling the Soprano's theme song for Monday night? Maybe?
G
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 13:12:23 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, soggy east swampfuck
Craig, the red and white stripe you see on the Aja cover are actually the trim on the woman's kimono. If you look very closely at the album, you can see her face, and she is standing with hands raised to her left, thus showing the cascading ribbon along the side of her gown. One of my favorite album covers of all time, it's one you really have to scrutnize to see the figure cloaked in the dark kimono. The red and white ribbon seems to float mysteriously in space.
G
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 12:40:10 ET
Posted by: Pearl of the Harbour,
Bring Yahel to Japen
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 12:17:55 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Oslo, Norway
As DEACONBLUE in Brussels points out, it will be a hot summer in Europe. And here in Norway, on July 19th, our heroes will share the stage at the Molde International Jazz Festival with Elvis Costello / Allen Toussaint Horns & Orchestra feat. Steve Nieve. Same venue, same night, same ticket! For being mortal musicians, these guys're pretty awsome too, you know, and will definately make their valuable contribution to the party. Wonder if i.e. Mr. Toussaint's horn section will be guesting the Steely Dan gig? Wouldn't surprise me if they do, but either way, I,ll go bananas by design. And, for those of you living in the US or elsewhere: If you can get here to join us in Molde, I will assure you a very special event at a very special venue! The gig is an outdoor one, at "Romsdalsmuseet", which is a pittoresque regional folklore museum, located inbetween some high mountains and some equally deep fjords at the West Coast of Norway. Far away from common civilized facilities like roads and McDonalds, out in the open, green & clean nature. Actually, the only way of getting to the venue is by taking a small ferry from Molde, out to the museum. It is by far an absurd setting for a Steely Dan Concert, and will undoubtly be one remembered well by the Dan themselves in the future as well, as the place is undescribeably beautiful. (They look so fine upon that hill...)
LookingForwardToItLookingForwardToItLookingForwardToIt Maaadly!!!
Ehmm, ok, I'll try to act decent meanwhile. It's not THAT easy.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 12:11:26 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
SAM YAHEL in Europe???
They just announced that Sam Yahel opens for Steely Dan in Lucca, Italia. That probably could mean Yahel will do some other openings in Europe.
You can check this information at : www.summer-festival.com and enter unto the Lucca part.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:43:41 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Hiding from the Flower People
Oh you cannot compare Ringo to John "Stumpy" Pepys, who played on "Gimme Some Money"...before dying in a bizarre gardening accident, of course.
That guy was the shit.
:-P
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:36:55 ET
Posted by: BC,
Speaking of Bernard Purdie and perhaps Chuck Rainey:
With the great recorded/revered talents of Jaco and Billy Cobham (who could on any given day kick both of their asses), how or why do both BP and CR come across in some interviews as cocky and arrogant poopheads?
What ever happened to the notion of LETTING OTHERS SPEAK WELL OF YOU OR WALKING QUIETLY AND CARRYING A BIG (DRUM?) STICK?
Even the most famous bigmouth of all time Muhammad Ali has said that he was "scared to death of Sonny Liston" and beside him "(Joe) Frazier's (at that time) the best fighter in the world."
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:33:33 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
I'm not saying Ringo is bad, BUT
His feel may be hard to replicate, as is his trashy drum sound, but I do not think he played that feel on purpose. That just happened to be how he played. And I maintain that if the Beatles had a different drummer from the start (a normal, non-chop oriented rock drummer), they still would have been just as popular.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:08:25 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
hey tampa, you must get everything must go, its great
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:07:57 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
And another question: If Ringo's so bad, why would Bernard Purdie claim to have played on 21 Beatle tracks? (which, of course, he didn't).
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 11:07:39 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Speaking of Aja does anybody know what the white/red stripes and that other little thing in the right corner are supposed to signify. I'm staring at the album cover and just wondering what the hell is that all about
As always Thanks
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 10:59:23 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
With regard to the Ringo debate, here’s a question: If it were possible, using a time machine, to transport Vinnie Colaiuta, Bernard Purdie, Buddy Rich, Keith Carlock, Keith Moon, whoever, right into the Abbey Road studios in 1963 at the “Twist and Shout” recording session, would any of them match Ringo’s magic on that track? I have my doubts. Horses for courses.
I remember Buddy Rich slagging off Ginger Baker when Cream were at their peak. I’d love to hear Rich drumming with Cream. I can’t imagine it being anything other than a joke. Horses for courses.
All brilliant in their own field.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 09:53:43 ET
Posted by: Drummer at Large, La La Land
Raj,
Before you criticize Ringo star, ask any pro drummer who's ever tried to emulate his grooves authentically, and I think you'll find them telling you just how surprisingly challenging his feel really was. Ringo was much more gifted than he gets credit for. I realize YOU are not a drummer, so therefore I must respect your lack of credibility, along your world famous reputation for having a big mouth.
Dan Belcher,
I knew Jeff Porcaro, and he was the first one to admit he stole the basic half time shuffle groove from Bernard Purdie. As for him playing ahead, or behind the beat, Jeff once told me he never took a gig that required him to use a click track because he felt it removed the "human" element from drumming, in that all drummers express their feelings by speeding up,and slowing down a little, depending on the mood of the piece, and that he was constantly playinig behind, on, and in front of the beat in order to express his personal feel. Quite a loss the world when he passed.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 09:53:29 ET
Posted by: LisaG, East of Hollywood
Carlock can play the Congo? Wow. He has longer arms than I thought.
Key of K...or D. You decide.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 09:37:51 ET
Posted by: Newark, lounge chaise in the field
That after party was unreal. The drivers were the best, like fresh horses--there was no need for party runs with this crew. What a hoot! The entourage followed the arrows up the coast thru the climatically correct wine/cotton/tomato/potato region of VA then over the Line and N into MD. They pulled into the field, the vehicles separated by 10-30 min. apart.
Finally, the Hummer limo arrived and the dj kicked it up a notch with some Fatboy Slim. The busses and semi parked behind the warehouse, the roadies jumped out and ran to the chicken shit board with their dollars. Then the light guy(s) threw some more logs on the fire. Someone scremed somewhere. Then someone spiked the punch and the second band started to play. Chris English sat in and roared thru some Delta stuff. Then we heard a horn playing from afar. Then to everyone's amazement, the Walt, Mikael, Rosenthal and Pugh, marched in from the woods in single file and played a set of Chicago and some Tower of Power, ending up w/ an extended jam of "My Old School" as everyone hi-fived and fire walked. Then they played some symphonic stuff that sounded like a movie soundtrack, but dissonant, with dread, then soaring sonics. The sounds were mesmorizing. Jim Pugh won the tenth round on the chicken shit board, putting his dollar on 19. We were running out of birds, so the neighbor ran home fast for a few frisky extras. Suddenly, Walt emerged with an exotic stringed instrument, took up the mic (from the karoke machine) and unveiled two of his newest tunes=--unplugged!!!!!!! The party went wild! The party monsters were the support crew. They sort of were clickish, but there was plenty of activities to break them up. My girlfriend fell in love with one of them and I think she got a kiss. hehe.
The highlight was Donald's emergence. He had on a black nehru jacket with a neon blue T--his melodica under arm. He was obviously in jam mode and zipped up and down some arpeggios until he found a nasty groove in the key of K. He threw off his jacket, and I hung it up on the dart board.
Chris fell in on slide and harmonica, and the Carolyn and Cindy began to improvise a new dance called the Morphed Swagger. We got them separated later and they did solos and mingled like the best of them. What a charm they were! The sang jazz vocals most of the night, which kept everyone torqued. All the while, Freddie borrowed Leo's stand up bass and layed down grooves like you never heard. Walt jammed on acoustic, looked like an old Gibson or older Martin, then he took up torch and walked into the darkness. In a few moments we we saw in the darkness of the field a torch-light fire dance, the trails made designs like something you would see on the beach in Hawaii at a Luau. I think he spelled out RUOK in trails. By then everyone had taken up percussion instrument, I had the Pringle can and we played a sick percussion jam while the torch show was happening. Carlock shifted between bongos and congos--the even played the tractor for an interesting repetoire of metal/rubber sounds.
The jam was on complete with everyone with something unplugged in their hands. Jeff young was the dance monster of the night! He showed eveyone a few new moves. Then, he produced a battery-powered casio sampling keyboard and jammed his arse off--sound effects included. Then Jeff spun the girls around and started a Soul Train line and everyone did the contra thing two by two. At one point, Herington brought out a 12 string, it looked like a Guild. He sampled a few licks into the Casio and hit repeat to begin a new jam. Then he did a solo while Rosenthal played a funky counter melody; it was sick. We got Pugh tuned up and he signed some autographs. Weiskopf couldn't get reception on his cell and, unfortunately, the damn thing ended up in the punch bowl. We just found it.
The sound man then brought out his deer spot light and handed it to the light guy. As the fire burned down, he put the spot light on individuals who never performed behfor. One guy said, "I'm gonna be a star!" Pretzel Logic unplugged was a wonder as was Bad Sneakers. ON and on. More later, gotta date this morning. Sorry, gotta run, forgive typos. Nwk hugs, I think I'm gonna cry.
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 08:25:05 ET
Posted by: Raven, Hampton Inn parking lot
Wormy, This is me :>
This is you ~
:>~
raaaaaaaaaaaaaaappppppp!!!!!!!!!
any questions?
-< -< -< -<
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 08:14:44 ET
Posted by: wormy, virginia beach for now
Lisa
I agree with My Old School
but it after Pretzel Logic beats Bodhi for an encore
as we saw earlier in the tour
I had hope for more variety as the beacon shows were coming up and thought they'd surprise us, no go
the soundcheck in Atlanta held things I miss the most and Gaslighting Abbey
Lunch with GIna is such a cool live song
hold a big sign up but chances are it won't make a difference
posting on the blue might
I knew we wouldn't get much variety
but they are really nailing the tunes they do play
to get Black Cow, Godwacker, Pretzel Logic and Two Versus Nature at our show was great and Bodhi in the set not as encore
I'm aS GIDDY AS A SCHOOL GIRL AFTER LAST NIGHT
white's of their eyes was great
I watched for the non verbal clues for song endings, codas etc
neat to be that close
enjoy the Beacon run
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 05:50:28 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Regarding Steely Dans upcomming passage in Europe, there are some very interesting and exciting facts to note.
On july 14, they will be at the famous "North Sea Jazz" festival in Rotterdam. One hour later that same night, you can enjoy in the same venue "Larry Carlton". Maybe the gods will be with us that night and Larry will be join our boys on scene.
Another opportunity not to miss is the "Blue Ball Festival" in Lucern, Switserland on july 27: 5pm till 9.30pm - Rickie Lee Jones
10pm till 11.30pm - Steely Dan
Steely Dan will be one day adfter that in teh very pitoresque place called Lucca in Italy. That's only 340 miles from Lucern.
It's clear that the European summer will be hot!!
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 05:04:14 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Ducking into Nino's
...or Pixeleen?
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 05:03:02 ET
Posted by: LisaG,
Wormy--AWESOME COLOR. I felt like I was there. Cool that you were close enough to practically see the whites of their eyes. Enjoy DC.
Encore rant...Am I the only Dan-fan in the world who dislikes "My Old School?" It's a simple song, and while the piano part is fun and pretty standard, it's incredibly uninteresting harmonically to me as a whole. I understand the nod to the old R&B "I-IV" riff, but that tune kind of takes the easy way out. I've always felt that it's one of the "cheapest" Dan songs in the catalog and yet one of the most popular. Maybe I just don’t get it since I've become a fan later in life? Perhaps the fascination with this tune and its anthem-like worship is from the "you had to be there when" department. Bard College is an absolutely beautiful campus, though.
Now what do I have to do for the band to play Lunch With Gina at the Beacon?
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 04:50:52 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Are You With Me
Doc Mu--Is that really you? Been a long time since we jawed and then some. Hope all is well. What happened to the Mu symbol? :-P
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 04:07:36 ET
Posted by: JamieTampa, Dark Side of Tampa
I saw SD and Waters the same week here in Tampa.........Nice contrasting shows.........Lots of prerecording for Waters but who cares ?
Did anyone else find it interesting that they did not play Janie RunAway at either Clearwater show ? Definetly played it in Tampa last go ' round...
Am I a bad fan for never even listening to EMG ?
As to Oysterhead- didn't they stop touring years ago ? Kind of hard to go see a band that does not tour.
Pe@ce,
Jamie
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 03:42:19 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
Tickets for the Tokyo gigs went on sale on yesterday (Friday)… but ONLY for club members. Non members can book from next Friday.
I have spent the last two days driving myself crazy – using an online Japanese to English translator - trying to figure out how to become a member. What a fiasco!
So, today I rang Tokyo and got a very helpful girl who spoke reasonable English. After several phone calls back and forth, it turns out I cannot become a member - maybe ‘cos I’m not Japanese – who knows? – her English wasn’t good enough to explain. Anyway, because of the effort I’d put in, they very kindly agreed to let me book one night for me and my girlfriend (who got her visa, by the way – see earlier post) but only one night. I’ll have to wait until next Friday to book my second night. I thought it strange that, although the tickets are booked 100%, I don’t pay until immediately after the show. Strange.
Having said all that, the most interesting thing I learnt was: THERE ARE TWO SHOWS EVERY NIGHT! - 6.30pm and 9.30pm.
How is Donald’s voice gonna hold out?
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 03:31:13 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Michael Leonhart newsletter carpet
Hello all,
I'm headed back home to good ol' New York City after a couple of unforgettable Steely Dan shows this past week:
1) Tuesday evening playing the outdoor amphitheater at the Toledo Zoo for the nearby lions, tigers and bears, attempting to avoid the raindrops during a brief yet very intense downpour.
2) A wonderful concert Thursday evening at the gorgeous Wolftrap Theater in Vienna, VA.
Now the U.S. tour wraps up in NYC with 3 evenings at the Beacon Theater on the 10th, 11th and 13th. Then it's back to business with my own sonic and lyrical explorations- my one and only NYC show in June and July... don't miss it!
** Sunday, June 17th* *
Michael Leonhart @ 10 PM
(Jamie Leonhart @ 9pm)
Rockwood Music Hall
196 Allen Street
212.477.4155
between E. Houston and Stanton
take the f and v subway to 2nd ave
(no cover)
THE BAND:
Michael: vox, electric guitar, effects, trumpet, sampler, toy instruments ...
Jamie Leonhart: harmonium, toy piano, megaphone vocals, mini -synth
Avi Bortnick: guitar
Gary Wang: bass & more...
Marc Dalio: drums
special guests: the "bubble ladies" and more...
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I'm very happy to announce that I'll be playing a show of my original songs (and maybe a cover or two) in Paris on July 11th:
Sunset-Sunside Jazz Club @9pm
60 rue des Lombards 75001
metro station: Chatelet
While I'm sad to say I won't be accompanied by my regular band, I will have the distinct pleasure of being joined by Jon Herington on guitar (this will be an evening of moonlighting for us during the July European Steely Dan tour). So for those of you who already have your tickets for the July 10th concert at Le Grand Rex, please come by the next night and say hi! And those of you with friends in Paris looking for a night of fun, tell 'em to stop by:)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In other news,
Jamie (Leonhart)'s first full-length solo album (which I produced) is being mastered this month and will be beautifully packaged and ready for the full blow-out NYC record release sometime near the end of the summer!!! You can visit www.jamieleonhart.com <http://www.jamieleonhart.com/> for more info.
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Hope everyone is having a gorgeous summer and that you can make it out to one of the shows. All the best, Michael
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 02:41:25 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Lisa G: Great to see you.
Dan: Toto lets the monsters (Lukather and J. Porcaro) out of the box!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr3TynkVYh4&mode=related&search=
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 01:50:22 ET
Posted by: SteelyMac, Richmond
I agree 100% with Tom's review of the Portsmouth concert -- an excellent Steely Dan performance -- sure hope they tour again in '08.
And a new CD would be super !
Date: Sat, June 09, 2007, 00:56:58 ET
Posted by: worm tom, nola in Porstmouth
NOLA Worm Tom reporting from Portsmouth, Virginia
what a cool place for a show!
My third (and probably last show of the summer, N.O., Atlanta, Ports)
Steely Dan Portsmouth 6-8-07
Setlist
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwacker
Bad Sneekers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19 with Walt wordplay
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Bodhisattva
Dirty Work (girls)
Josie (with band intros)
Aja
Black Cow
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Carolyn
What a night, front row seats (friend from Michigan and I (from New Orleans)) flew in and caught the Portsmouth show along with Norfolk Harbor Fest with old sail boats and Virginia Beach. Doing Smithsonian in DC this weekend
Band was hotso, played the famous steely tango
Now we dolly back, color I don't lack...
Soundcheck 5 ish – stood in Harbor area near a few sailboats
short but sweet/sweat - no surprizes
Sams trio did a Gaslighting Abbey chord change thing, few solos, 10 minutes then
Bad Sneak, Haitian, Dirty Work, Godwacker, Jeri
Don discussing he wanted TooM then Godwacker)
Show – 9 pm
Opened with great energy (warm night 95+ record heat during day - cool to a summer new orleanian though!
)
Herrington sweating like pig, Don some also (big wipes with rag between songs, others kept their cool and looked fab up there). New lights and constant fog throughout the show, very well done!
taped for the side screens (we couldn't even see from our vantage point)
Our seats absolute front row center (Thank you Lord and tickco.com), just to right of Don, great view of all but Carlock and Washington (and I’m a bass player damn it) Great view of Don, GIRLS! Did I mention the GIRLS? Jeff, Walt, Jon and the horns who were stellar all night!
Walt's Hey 19 dialog loosely paraphrased and consiser than his funny delivery (he has a gift) – remember back in 67 when you would go to a body of water, a lake, river, ocean, pool, and you need some kind of recreational substance to bring you that suggestive power urging the two of you on to state of getting lucky, all goes well then you break out the blindfold, handcuffs and wizard’s hat… what do you need... girls?...Cuervo Gold…
The band was tight all night, the girls right in front of us were seductive and sexy and I even got a direct kiss from Cindy during her band intro (she was wearing shorts in the heat and a black and white top) thanks Cindy and Carolyn, I was the blond haired Christian guy in the black fagen shirt thinking nothing but wholesome thoughts as I watched you seductively dancing right in front of us all night! Made my week. Not to mention my hero dead set in front of us, thanks Don (and Walter)
I had a Black Cow sign – thought they might not play it when they did Godwacker second song in. Perhaps they do read the blue!
Glad to hear them get to it instead of FM, Don laughed when I held up my Janie Runaway sign then Dr Wu. Green Earrings was thankfully retired tonight and perfect encores. The horn section was unbelievable, Walt very upfront and much more in command of his solos, Jon played less solos but his were all tasty and variety plus. Aja was the set highlight of many highlights – it all was over too fast. Damn, what a concert!!! Still coming down from it! WOW
The crowd sat nearly the whole night but all were up for My Old School – lots of dancing then. Don looked like he was enjoying himself even in the extensive heat!
Great show, my best this tour
Thanks tickco.com, toddler and you boys for making this possible!
sincere pleasantries from the topsoilantone
~ WormTom ~
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 22:47:24 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Huge thanks to gerirowe@yahoo.co.uk for the detailed, positive evaluation of my Aja book in the latest digest. It's exactly the kind of reaction you hope for when you're word-processing the months away in your little fan/author bubble! Thanks too to all who have posted their thoughts, addenda, etc. here in the bluebook. Hope I hear "I Got the News" at the Beacon on Sunday...
DB
TITLE: Aja
AUTHOR: Don Breithaupt
ISBN: 0826427839
PUBLISHER: Continuum
LIST PRICE: $10.95 | £6.99
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 21:39:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bob - your theories are compelling and eye-opening actually but I think I'm coming down on GGarcia's corner, he's on the button here. Steely Dan lyrics mean what you want them to mean, that's their beauty and, yeah, I do sense a Manson connection of sorts but not enough to ride with you on this one. Owsley's phone number was on everybody's wall, Ken Kesey of Cookoo's Nest and Wolfe's Acid Test fame went to LA on the psychedelic bus and had an acid-test at a place called The Onion circa 1966 before LSD was banned by law, a Unitarian church up here in Northridge where I attended a rave around 1992, last time I dropped acid and man, that shit is nowhere NEAR the strength the old stuff in the 60s and 70s was. A mere bagatelle in comparison. I do remember a roller-skating Jesus at the Onion in 1992, he was cool. The girl I was with and her girlfriends painted their torsos with starbirsts and cockatoos and presented a very erotic bare-breasted tribal dance, that was cool. This was when I was still fun and adventurous, but, I digress. The white men on the street I took to mean everyone who was switching to the new drug of choice, the cocaine, the white lady. Kitchen clean refers I believe to Owsley's special place as the best LSD chemist of the time in San Fran, the wanna-bees used inferior ingredients like kerosine to separate the precipitate.
As for the Mickey Mouse Club, what a segue, Johnny Klein doubled as Welk's drummer and MM's kit man commencing in 1955. He wore the ears with the rest of them. Annette sported quite a rack, didn't she, you oldtimers? Humphrey took over for him circa 1976. Mom and Pop looved the Champagne Music Makers, they thrilled them no end. I made fun of them and generally acted the fool during the excruciating saturday night shows brought to you by Dodge Motors. Drive a Dodge, then decide. What I didn't understand till many years later is that what they appreciated was hearing a live orchestra on the TV. I kinda get it now. ;)
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 19:47:14 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago, this one covering from June 6-8, 2007.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for June 6-8, 2007:
• AJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30th Anniversary edition LP
• Aja 33 1/3
• REDUX: New "Aja" Book Published
• DANDOM-NYC: Monday Night Dan Bash May 11th, 2007
• Oodles of Ticket ads in the TICKET EXCHANGE
• Send us your show Reviews
• SPOILER: Seneca-Niagara Casino concert (June 2nd)
• SPOILER: REDUX: Niagra Falls 6/2
• SPOILER: Setlist and notes from the Toledo zoo 6/5
• SPOILER: Wolftrap set list and comments 6/7
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Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill and John.
Jim
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 19:39:17 ET
Posted by: G Garcia, Haight & Ashbury
Stick with Owsley.
He was the first. And for a time the only. Then other "white men" (dealers) appeared, with oftentimes inferior product. Which then made(him)obsolete.
A-Frame houses were popular 1950's-60's as retreats, getaways, hideouts, camps because they were cheap to build. They were sometimes lined up like teepees in hippie communes, pricipally in Nor Cal. So, call Owsley if you needed a fix, the go to guy, for a time.
Other things about Kid C:
"San Francisco Nights"-well U Cal Berkeley is across the Bay.
"Crossed a diamond with a pearl" (chemistry).
"Could you feel your whole world fall apart and fade away?"--well Owsley and Tim Leary succumbed to the force of law, although they maintained what they were doing was good, and legal. Much of the drug laws created from that time up to the present tday were precedents developed in response to the drug-related events and mishaps associated with them. Despite being household names for a time, they certainly faded away in less than the 5 or 6 years later when Kid C. was penned.
Stick with Owsley as the Kid C. protagonist, with a little Tim Leary in there for good measure.
Kid C. IMO is probably one of the "easiest" Dan songs to figure out, especially so if you grew up in or have been a fan of the 1960's.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 18:38:32 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Rajah and Kid C,
Thanks for the response...here's why I think there are some Manson references in KC.
I'm aware of Kesey's Electric Koolaid Acid Test and Owsley...such as his doing the Dead's sound & his chemical talents and clearly the reference to "your Technicolor motor home" among other lines are definitely Owsley inspired...but what about "you are obsolete, look at all the white men on the street"...that certainly could apply to Manson's goal of inciting a race war and its ultimate failure. "Day-glow freaks who used to paint the face", a toss-up but I'm seeing Manson there also.
Also, "On the hill the stuff was laced with Kerosene, but yours was kitchen clean"...go with me here...I believe I remember that there was an arsonist working in the hills surrounding the Polanski/Tate residence at the time of the murders...knives are "kitchen clean". Of course, the obvious interpretation would be a pristine recipe for acid (did the amateur chemists of the day use Kerosene?) but isn't the possiblility of this double-meaning delicious.
"You'd go to LA on a dare and you'd go it alone"...could relate to Manson as much as Owsley, couldn't it?
"Every A-Frame had your number on the Wall"...how is that Owsley more than Manson?...seems an oblique reference to the scrawlings left at the murder scenes.
I appreciate the input but am I getting any traction?...just thought I'd offer some food for thought during this touring season.
PS I give...who doubled in the Mickey Mouse Club?
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 18:32:32 ET
Posted by: Jay Leno, LA
ok, even I'M sick of the Paris Hilton jokes.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 17:57:44 ET
Posted by: Kid C,
re: Kid Charlemagne
No Manson references. Maybe a touch of Ken Kesey in there. Read Wolfes "Electric Acid Koolaid Test" or whatever it's called for another angle on the subject.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 17:55:56 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, ebay
For sale: One like-new ankle bracelet.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 15:24:31 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, Lynwood Correctional
Margie, could you save me any party favors from the Danfest? Looks like I'm not going to make it after all. It's slammer-time again. Up the river. To the hoos gow. The pokey. On ice.
Makin' little ones out of big ones.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 15:18:06 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Bring on the Beacon! Thanks for the updates about Wolftrap, guys. Bodhi in the middle of the set?! F'n wild. What will they bring back to New York in the next few days (besides sexy)?
I am wicked excited for your Danfest on Monday, Fife, but I don't know what's going on for Sunday. As far as I know no one's planned anything but heck, that's subject to change.
left coast are you still planning on hitting up 55 Bar Thursday night? If you'd like to meet up please email me.
I think I had a dream about Carlock last night, must be all this drummer talk...
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 15:08:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bob, I don't get any Manson references in Kid Charlemagne, it's all Owlsley, no?
Paul Humphrey did play for the Champagne Music Man but he came waay after the guy who also doubled in the Mickey Mouse Club. Now that really shows my age.
Paris, honey, you would make a great Steely Dan character...
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 14:21:37 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta
Here are some other o/s drummers that have not previously been mentioned (I recognize that some are retired, well past their prime, insane/incarcerated, etc. For a sad read, google Jim Gordon (you know he co-wrote "Layla"):
SESSIONS:
Hal Blaine
Jim Keltner
Rick Marotta
Jim Gordon
Paul Humphrey (Lawrence Welk's drummer, played on "Black Cow")
FUNK:
Mike Clark
Harvey Mason
David Garibaldi
FUSION:
Ndugu
Chester Thompson
Lenny White
ZAPPA:
Terry Bozzio
Chad Wackerman
Ralph Humphrey
Aynsley Dunbar
Keep up the lively drummer debate!
You know, I really miss the acoustic piano in SD's instrumentation (EXAMPLE: the intro to KC sounds like a circus calliope...who thinks that sounds appropriate for such a menacing song?).
Speaking of KC...its subject is a composite of Owsley AND Manson, right? I seldom see Manson mentioned in the lyric interpretations.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 14:19:53 ET
Posted by: FYI,
Anyone know if it was Paris Hilton's bag that Walter took a dump in at Boston?
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 14:16:58 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, back to the slammer
I have an Aja bag. It's hot. No, literally, it's hot, I pounded some skank on 75th Street prior to the last Beacon show, dragged her boney ass into the alley and snatched it. I was waiting out there to see if Donald would sign my little dog...ooops....shit...no, Sheriff, I was just making a funny...wait...
h-e-l-p m-e D-a-d-d-y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 13:21:23 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Houston
Newark, I'd go for the polka dots. They seem to be in this year. And wedge heels, although I always seem to wear Steely-ettos.
I wish we had taken photos of all the lovely SD handbags that prez logic bought for us to auction in Boston! They were truly a sight to behold and no well-dressed Steely girl (or in Chan's case, Steely man) should be without one!
I will volunteer to be the contact for anyone interested, since our source owes me a new CBAT version and I will be in touch with him....
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 13:01:53 ET
Posted by: Thank you, to people on the blue
We are going to NYC for the 3 Beacon shows.Never been to NY.Some of you helped out a great deal with info and tickets.Cant remember all your names.So thanks.And to Hoops for giving us the blue.And hopeing SD makes it back to Calif.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 12:33:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Agreed, you go Hoops, reach back like a Pimp and smack dat chump. Next they'll be telling us not to do this: ;).
LOL till ya puke, Dandom.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 12:32:39 ET
Posted by: Mike, CT
I thnk I'll put together my own version of Second Arrangement based on the 20 second clip I heard years ago of the real thing which begins very differently from the full band outtake everybody knows by now. If you've heard the original piano w/ bass accompaniment, it's more similar to that.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 12:23:46 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I"m not one who uses "LOL" much in posts, but it's fucking arrogant when people start policing the blue as an anon.
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 12:06:55 ET
Posted by: HammerToes,
I agree with ya Thread
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 11:52:56 ET
Posted by: Franz Liebkind,
My, very strict.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 11:40:41 ET
Posted by: Thread Police, www
Anyone that ends anything, particularly posts, with LOL should be put up against a sturdy wall and shot. Grow up already.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 11:13:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah Dan, thanks for the clips and the very astute commentary, I admire your grasp of all things musical.
My Liverpudlian friend's rebuke back there only goes to confirm my little Ringo story which really couldn't have been more innocuous and complimentary. Scouser, ya daft old tosser, yer a right git, ya remind me of the pissed old sod I met once down on Lime Street, he taught me this ditty...
"Now when I grew up, I met Bridget McCann
She said, 'You’re not much, but I’m needing a man
Coz I want 15 kids and a house out in Speke'
Ah Lad, me spirit was willing, but me flesh was weak."
BTW, whattever happened to that old ferry cross the Mersey?
I knew the stage was level cause our drummer was drooling from both sides of his mouth. [rimshot]
I could tell our drummer was at the door cause the knocking sped up. [rimshot]
We wanted him to play quieter so we put a chart in front of him. [rimshot]
Our drum machine is better than our drummer cause it keeps perfect time and doesn't try to bang my girlfriend. [rimshot]
The last thing our drummer said before we fired him was, "Hey guys, why don't we try one of my songs?" [rimshot]
And in conclusion, please rise for our drummer's arrangement of the Star Spangled Banner:
Oh, say can you BOOM, CRASH
By the dawn's early BOOM, CRASH
What so proudly we BOOM, CRASH
At the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright BOOM,CRASH
Through the perilous BOOM, CRASH
Oh the ramparts we BOOM, CRASH
Were so gallantly streaming...
[rrriiimmmmsshhooott]
Ah Thang-you...
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 10:30:32 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Dan B
Thanks for the visual on Jeff
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 09:25:59 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Man I hate that Baltimore-DC-Virginia corridor. What should have taken us just over a hour to get to Vienna took 2 1/2!!! Thanks to Jazzman and Jenny for being so patient and waiting for us. We really enjoyed the fine company. It was the largest show we've been to this time around, the venue was totally sold out and held 7000. Donald looked daper in his lime green t-shirt and matching running shoes. Where did he get those shoes? I'd love a pair.
The sound was very good and Sam and I both felt the 2vn was the tightest it's been this tour. The only thing about that Wolftrap was there was a ton of volunteers policing everyone and you couldn't bring your drinks, which were not cheap, into the covered venue. You could however bring in alcohol and drink your ass off on the lawn. After all that though we really enjoyed the show though I doubt that we'd head to that venue again, sitting in traffic like that brings out the beast in both of us.
One more to go. Is everyone ready to party Monday night???
Fife
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 09:03:28 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Percussion question, for all you drummer experts (who knew there were so many?). How was the "scratching" sound - kind of like taps sliding against concrete - made at the end of the instrumental in the middle of Royal Scam?
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 09:02:45 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Someone had missed their meds I fear. LOL
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 05:53:10 ET
Posted by: Scouser, tonyland
Hey Raj. You need to shut the F*** up about the Ringo thing what are you thinking dude this is not cool .This is her work have some respect bro . It's ok to blag Bla Bla Bla. She said they said crap about Steely Dan thats one thing. You should know better mate . ZIP IT
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 01:12:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
Just got back from Wolf Trap. Fantastic show. The band was tighter than I have ever seen them, and the songs seemed truer to the originals than I remember from previous tours. I don't know if it just me, but Jon Herington didn't seem to have a whole lot to do tonight, with Walter taking a far bigger percentage of the guitar solos. What Jon did play, however, was first class as always. Overall I would say that it was a superb night and very enjoyable, with everything sounding more cohesive than I have heard it in the past.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 01:08:02 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
Does anyone know where the danfest is for this Sunday in NYC?
Thanks
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:49:38 ET
Posted by: Drums, Drummed outta Here
Steel Drums
"Machine" Drums
Synth Drums
Con-drums? Nah....
The Blue needs to march to the beat of a different drum, STAT! No?
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:40:31 ET
Posted by: Newark, Eastern Shore
Right, 'posed to be hot tomorrow in VA in 90s in Portsmouth. It'll be a clothes- come-off show for sure. The Ntelos venue looks similar to Camden, NJ, sort of. You know what that means--big ships! ha ha (clear throat)
Check out satellite image on the waterway (A). Hey, any boat will do! Man, it's gonna be hot and winds 10 mph. Whewf, we're gonna get it!
http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&tab=wl&hl=en&q=maps%20Ntelos%20Wireless%20Pavilion%20Portsmouth%20VA%20
Just trying to figure which may cooler stripes or polka dots. What do you think?
hugs, nwk, p.a.
Confidential: the SD troupe will travel through chicken country up the Eastern Shore of Del-mar-va. Unreal.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:35:46 ET
Posted by: Actually..., ...
...you're on a roll.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:34:28 ET
Posted by: Groan, Ha!
Drum-atic. lol!
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:25:42 ET
Posted by: Drums, Drummed outta Here
AHHHHHHHHHHHH! Drums. All discussion involves drums! Is this all the mighty Blue is capable to drum up!
Snare Drums
Kick Drums
Bass Drums
Brake Drums
Ear Drums
Janitor in a Drum!
I played my drum for him, ba rummp a bum bum...
Tear up the floorboards, we admit the deed. It's the beating of this hideous DRUM!
Drums are hum-drum.
Need to break this conun-drum.
Am I being too "Drum-atic"?
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:19:11 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Come to think of it, I think
it was actually his dead lamb
that was brought back to life.
Speaking of mangers in terrific
old barns, how about some more
specifics from Wolf Trap.
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:14:08 ET
Posted by: HokieJTK, Sterling, VA
Lurker Ray,
The weather was amazing tonight. Perfect for the show. I have grown up in this area and my parents still live walking distance from Wolftrap. You can hear the performances from their deck. It has been great to have access to all of these great peformances. I am so glad that Steely Dan decided to make their first appearance!
Date: Fri, June 08, 2007, 00:04:54 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu
Thanks Hokie!
Always loved Wolf Trap. Saw
Hank Mancini there when I was
a boy. Must of been a wonderful
night tonight. I see you guys
had great weather. Wish I could
have joined you.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:53:35 ET
Posted by: HokieJTK, Sterling, VA
Just got back from Wolftrap. The show was amazing! The one thing that blew me away is that they played Bodhisattva in the middle of the set! I am sure you can hear details later.
Here is the setlist for Wolftrap. June 7, 2007:
Time Out of Mind
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Bodhisattva
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:52:52 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
What are we on, day 3 or 4 of the
Drummer chatter? I've lost count.
World's Best Drummer?
Simple. "The Little Drummer Boy".
That dude was so smooth that after
playing for the little cat in the
manger, he brought his dead donkey
back to life. Now that's badass.
How about a report from the "Trap".
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:35:11 ET
Posted by: LG, again, Back on earth
Dan, thanks. That was awesome. A freakin' clinic on the hybrid. Added it to my favorites. :-D
I loved the Bonham treatment--very heavy and on the syncopated return. I think the Bo Diddly bass drum figure was obviously more akin to Bonham's. However the open and shut hi-hat dance gives it its nasty finish. Now that's color.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:24:02 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Another planet
Ahh, Dan. Thanks. I think I DID read that below, but paid it very little mind for some reason. I'll check it out. By the name, now I think I know this groove. Used to listen to a rock station that was heavy on Zep, but never knew the names of any of the songs. Hahahaha!
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:20:13 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
LisaG, check out the Youtube video link I posted a few minutes ago. Jeff Porcaro talks about the half-time shuffle he did for Rosanna being directly inspired by the Purdie Shuffle, plus the Bonham groove on the Zeppelin song "Fool in the Rain" -- he also demonstrates those two grooves and how they inspired the Rosanna groove. Very cool.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:11:00 ET
Posted by: LisaG, continued...somehow posted before it was time.
Zep.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 23:10:05 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Africa
Vinnie--A mantra, to be sure.
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Not that I consider wiki a reputable source, but...I found this interesting: Although Jeff was proficient in many styles, he is perhaps most remembered for the shuffle pattern in the Toto song "Rosanna". This pattern involved "ghost notes" played by lightly bouncing the stick on the snare between backbeats. This was not an original technique (made famous originally by Bernard Purdie and John Bonham), but Jeff's mastery of it brought it to the forefront.--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Porcaro
A little nod to Bonham. He never struck me as anything but an integral part of a specialized sound. I wonder which tune(s) inspired this reference? Don't listen to enough
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 22:43:24 ET
Posted by: Vinne is the Man,
Lisa G:"RJ—Every musician in the group is responsible for the time, not just the drummer. To expect the drummer to be the groove-keeper (or worse TIME-KEEPER) is short-changing the position." Best and truest thing said here in a while.
Speaking of Porcaro and the shuffle, I read a REALLY COOL interview with different drummers of Steely Dan talking about the band and their experiences. It's a Modern Drummer interview, and it's on the web on one of those SD fanatic websites. Anyways, Porcaro says he stole that right from the Aja and Gaucho album (Home at Last and Babylon Sisters respectively), and also from Bonham's groove on Fool in the Rain. Porcaro absolutely reveres SD, and I think it's so bloody cool he ended being one of the most used drummers for a band he grew up admiring.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 22:37:25 ET
Posted by: LisaG, P.S. Hoops...
GO YANKEES!!
:-P
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 22:35:48 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Slow Hand Row
seth--I think I just had deja-vu all over again.
Rajah--Who mentioned Sanchez? Oh nobody special. :-P The last few Metheny tours have been so mesmerizing that I find myself in the same boat as you. Will not leave my seat though well over an hour has flown by. The anti-Copeland? That’s like saying that pomegranates are the anti-apricots. I think Copeland can and would let the others play if there was a need for it. And there is nothing wrong with the spaces—he just had some incredible tapestries to weave. Then the 80’s hit and he went a little techno to keep up with the Jones…remember “The Equalizer?” ::shuddering::
From the “Speaking of drummers who played with Pat Metheny” category, your funny story about Cobham’s kit shaking reminds me of one. Danny Gottlieb came to my college when I was in school, although I cannot remember who else he was playing with that evening. I believe he did a drum clinic earlier in the day for the percussion department. Anyway at the concert, he kept breaking snare heads. After two, maybe three replacements, he finally could go on with the gig. Of course, he kicked royal butt, and his perm looked nice, too. Take THAT, Weckl. :-D
Rock Historian—Synchronicity was a real experiment, I thought. I was entering 8th grade when it came out, and that album opened my ears to so much more color in music and depth in creativity. There were non-traditional songs that were not really developed perhaps in a musical sense, but there was still a lot going on if you spent the time to soak it in. As far as memorable tracks…I think the non-releases were pretty interesting in and of themselves: Miss Gradenko—whiny, latter-Cold War, political statement; Oh My God—philosophy over a pseudo-groove; Walking In Your Footsteps—a folk song with a message; Tea in the Sahara—the ultimate meditation tune ala old Police jams except better: think “Behind My Camel” and “Shambelle” except sizzling.
Josey—I haven’t had enough of the drummer reviews. Would love everyone to keep ‘em coming.
Mu—lmao! Copeland: “Andy is in Idaho.” “We just can’t get on the good foot.” (Love ya, JB.)
Glad that somebody else said it. I totally agree with your assessment of Carlock and his few fantabulous comfort zones. He and Ready seem to be at odds a great deal this tour. This is not to say that he is a slouch…not by any means. I just don’t think he can do it all. He appears to be more of a specialist in a band that requires the all-around side-man character. I’m sure his more personal efforts are suited to his overall style. But he needs to let loose and work with the groove instead of be this power-house who is trying to impress. Just my two cents.
RJ—Every musician in the group is responsible for the time, not just the drummer. To expect the drummer to be the groove-keeper (or worse TIME-KEEPER) is short-changing the position. C Willie put it brilliantly. “All the musicians…should be reacting to it [the groove], not claiming it.” Well said.
I believe that drummer girl was pointing out that Meg White was “musically appropriate” for her band. Or rather…”band.” Haha, amusing commentary all around.
Woodman—Re: favorite Tap drummer…lol!! Love the bath scene…”sex, drugs, and rock and roll.”
Ken—Would you happen to play with/and/or know anyone in Stealin’ Dan? (Yesh, I see you lurking, Mark…)
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 22:25:32 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
For those still confused about these aspects of the drummer discussion:
1) How can a drummer just play to fill in the groove and leave the rest of the musicians space while still doing fills and using his chops?
2) How can you tell the difference just listening to drummers?
Check out this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDY5YRO5pQ
Jeff Porcaro demonstrating his half-time shuffle in the Toto song "Rosanna" -- he also plays the similar half-time shuffles Bernard Purdie used in Home At Last/Babylon Sisters and John Bonham used with Led Zeppelin for "Fool in the Rain" for comparison.
Notice how Jeff brings out his personality in the groove and how he has a different sound from when he plays it like other drummers might.
Notice how sharp and crisp his playing is--he's never ahead or behind the beat, he's got very clean subtle ghost notes on the snare drum for extra texture to fill in the missing spots in the groove created by the pattern on the hi-hat, etc.
And I'd bet anything Ringo couldn't play this groove anywhere close to as well as Jeff Porcaro, Bernard Purdie, or John Bonham.
And if you're interested, here's a video clip of Jeff Porcaro playing with Toto in a 1979 show doing the song "Georgy Porgy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWj4iHx6EIY Fairly uptempo tune with 16th notes on the hi-hat (that he plays one-handed, something that is not that easy in my opinion!) and a sparse bass line to interplay with. Notice how sharp and clean Jeff's playing is. His snare hits have consistent volume, his hi-hat playing is on-time and has a nice little bounce to it. The downbeat coming off a fill is never ahead of the beat--it is either right on top of it or just a fraction behind it to add to the effect. The little accents on the cymbals and snare add dynamic to the song, but don't distract from the rest of the band or mess up their timing or get out of the groove. Case in point -- the fill at about 2:35 is just fantastic at not getting too far outside the groove, but also providing a transition and creating interesting textures.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 21:58:33 ET
Posted by: seth2112, cleveland, via tampa and nyc
Setlist and notes from the toledo zoo:
the alamo meets the hollywood bowl in stage set up and design. band entered from a random doorway at the rear of the stage, strange watching this line of people walk out of a door instead of the traditional stage right/left:
Intro
Time out of mind
(2 zoo keepers run out on stage with a flashlight and a hook looking for "stray animals" - hysterical!)
Bad sneakers
2vn
Janie runaway
Hey 19
(WB - who has put on quite a few pounds with a fresh new short short hair cut-mentions "this is the first ZOO they ever played, though they have played for anmals before!" - hysterical
Haitian divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
(an ape walks out on stage during the band intros and harrasses each musician, wb inroduces carlock as KING KONG on the drums. the ape siedles up to fagen and taps the key boards for a diddy) - hysterical
Aja
FM
Kid C
encore
dirty work
rain kept set list shoort, i guess. no bodi, PL, emg or BC.
what was the shortest set to date on the tour was what made up in zoo hysterics!
more zoo hijinx - to get a beer:
1. stand in line to get a wrist band
2. stand in line to buy tickets for said beer/wine/margarita
3. stnad in line to be served said adult beverage
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 21:22:59 ET
Posted by: Boston, Dannys 07
and the winners were ??????????
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 21:15:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick
Looks like a Chicago area venue may get sold or even bite the dust. Steely Dan played "The New World Theatre" in 1996. In 2006 they played again with MikeMcD and it was named "First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre." In between, it was one of the "Tweeter Centers".
I didn't know that the Grateful Dead considered it the worst venue. I am glad SD isn't returning there this year.
Read the following article, including some other comments about Poplar Creek, a new venue that will be located about where Poplar Creek was, and how one fan says the venue "ruined" his Steely Dan experience last year.
http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2007/06/tinley_park_amp.html
BTW: This year's SD show is at the Auditorium Theatre. SD last played there in 1974.
Jim
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 20:15:46 ET
Posted by: Paris Hilton, inside playing games, I don't know
Thanks Sheriff Baca, that cell was hell. No proper mirror, I hated my outfit, the food was awful and worst of all, no Steely Dan on my iPod. I wanted to cry on my pillow but I didn't have one. No roomate either, I was gonna shoot my lesbian jail sex video.
It was definitely not hot. But Keith is and I like the way he does that drum thingy, I'd like to have him lay some grace notes on my splash cymbal. Now I don't know who this Vinnie Capacola is but he's got nothing on Keith. When I get this bracelet off, I'm taking him for a drunken joy ride West of Hollywood.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 20:12:40 ET
Posted by: BC,
I always thought Charlie Watts on the 60's albums was caca.
His time was always terrible and his fills "middle school" level.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 20:10:12 ET
Posted by: BC,
Kenny Baby -
PLEASE Don't be so defensive - It's just the first I've heard of it.
Any particular reason why?
I mean "fired" is kind o' strong, no?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 18:30:42 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
Personally, I don't think KC will get any "better." The only way I can define "better" for him is for him to diversify his solo vocabulary. I remember a short little stint ago trying to explain to everyone his two tricks- funked out grooves and quick double bass. He admitted it on his forum, too. But, that's his style. And it's damn musical, and the crowds love it. That's what he does. It's his thing. I don't think he feels a need to change it up. He would have done that already if he wanted to. He's sure as hell good enough. Who knows, though. But in terms of groove and touch, you can't really go much farther than him.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 18:16:35 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Go Cavaliers
Yeah, Liberty departed like last year around this time, I think.
Wow, never expected this drum marathon to go on so... here's more!!!!!
Mason/Ringo/Moon and many other guys from the dinosaur rock days do indeed hold a special place in our hearts and on that basis we still revere them. But if you're old enough to remember how they were percieved back then you will recall that the general consensus was that they were amongst the best players of their day. As the days turned into years, decades and eons and look back down the superhighway, maybe listen to them a bit and then possibly come to the conclusion that their work does indeed not stand the test of time, they do not belong in the Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Louis Bellson, Elvin Jones, Jack DeJohnette category for the real old guys and the others we have mentioned here of subsequent generations.
Some of today's guys we've mentioned have been at it for 25-30 years and hit their peak a while ago. Yes, in terms of speed and inventiveness. They're not in any kind of developmental stage at this point, either they're still on top or perhaps their skills have begun to diminish a bit. But in Keith Carlock we see someone who is still developing in front of us. The promise of his potential captures us. I came out of my shoes the night Keith debuted in Costa Mesa. His limitations, well, everyone has them in every endeavor and nobody's is great at absolutely everything but it's exciting to wonder just how good KC could get. Will he continue to broaden and develop into an even better player? Or has he hit his ceiling with Steely Dan? The Drummerworld ratings are silly, how could anyone rank this guy as better than that guy, but we do it anyway and argue about it. And being 3rd to Vinnie and Steve Gadd is a huge compliment.
OK, Bill Bruford and Matt Abst, what are they, chopped liver?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 17:42:18 ET
Posted by: Ken,
BC - I live in NYC and I go to this jam every Monday night that ex Joel member Richie Canata runs. Richie is the person that told me first hand that Liberty was let go by Billy Joel. Is that enough proof?
Plus, if you've seen a Billy Joel Concert in the last few years Liberty wasn't the drummer, duh.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 17:18:48 ET
Posted by: BC,
Ken -
Why would Billy fire Liberty?
What proof?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 17:12:57 ET
Posted by: ploce hater, seattle
Sounds like THE Police r on LUDES?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8igD5QmlH4
thoughts?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 16:30:58 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
SIMON PHILLIPS!!!
Now there's a drummer all you Mason/Ringo/Moon fans should listen to. Simply the DEEPEST pocket I have ever heard. He plays exactly what the song needs. And it'll be easy to compare him to those other guys, as TOTO is also a rock band. I'm sorry, but I see light years of difference. He knows when to pull out the chops, and boy does he have chops. He's got EVERYTHING. I recommend live TOTO (make sure Phillips is playing with them- he joined somewhere in the 90s), specifically Livefields. Even as an SD fanatic, and in no disrespect to the Jeff Porcaro, I confidently say Phillips blew him away.
And I keep my stance that Mason/Moon/Ringo etc. are admired so much as drummers because of the LEGENDARY bands they are in and the songs they played for. Someone said the best drummers are the ones you don't notice until the songs over- meaning you like what you heard and thus you're going to like what the drummer was doing, regardless of what it really was, as you didn't even notice it in the first freakin place. And i definitely can't say anything like that about SD. THe beauty of SD and why they are the best band ever is because of the genius of every part, how they fit in with each other. And it only enhances the musical experience if you realize all of what you're listening to. And let me say, I LOVE pink floyd, and i dig the who and the beatles, but i see no reason to glorify the drummers this much. BUT, I'm not going all BUDDY RICH fast chops on you guys. I will glorify a true groover and music drummer like Simon Phillips. And I will glorify Keith Carlock- the guy has more touch, technique, and groove than any of those guys could ever touch.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 15:25:29 ET
Posted by: Diggin' that RFD, OldEurope
I wouldn't put too much brain into it.
It has a nice shuffle, and an even nicer tap to it. You must've missed something.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 14:56:12 ET
Posted by: Jumping out the window, Changing channels
How can anybody listen to Brain Tap Shuffle esp by Nigey Lennon
it's the most non musical thing I've ever heard and it is played daily on RFD. Did I miss something?
CB
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 14:38:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Maybe so, cause those folks don't have the attention span of a two year old and won't go running for brewski whenever they don't recognize something...not too sure about the Aussies, though...
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 14:33:51 ET
Posted by: Ken, .
Bobbo- Billy Joel fired Liberty a few years ago.
I saw Simon Phillips on Mick Jagger's solo tour in Japan in 1985/86.
Phillips played drums in a "super" group called "The Best" with Skunk Baxter, Joe Walsh, Keith Emerson and John Enwhistle. I have a video of this show and Phillips KILLS on Steely Dan's "Bodhisattva". I mean if the boys would have seen Simon play on Bodi, they might have asked him to tour. That's how sick he was!
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 14:24:13 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
How much do you want to bet that on these upcoming Steely tours of Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand they lay down some deep cuts! I will be shocked if they keep the same setlists. Some of these places they have never been. I bet in Australia/New Zealand they will unleash Dr.Wu finally! You know they are going to play some rare gem/s that us back here in the States are going to scratch our heads and go why not us?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 13:58:40 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, at the drum clinic
Hey Droogies,
I'm right with you on Simon Phillips...and somebody listed a top-5 here, and it's close to spot-on (Ringo, Bonham, Moon, etc.)...
One of my personal faves (and I've seen him "do it" live-and-on-stage numerous times) is Liberty DeVito, Billy Joel's studio and touring drummer from '77-present...at least, I don't think he's been replaced, has he? And, being a native Texan, I've seen Asleep at the Wheel dozens of times since '88, and their drummer from that era, a cat named Dave Sanger, is very precise and full of finesse...if the fiddle's not a bother to you, it's another avenue of roots Jazz to check into. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 13:50:07 ET
Posted by: our man abu, detroit
I'll never forget the song "Four Sticks" I used to play on my dad's record player...
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 13:41:35 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
LOVE Simon Phillips! He's one of those rare drummers who can play anything he wants left handed or right handed.
Rajah - that was The Who's 25th Anniversary tour that Simon played on. They also had a female percussionist named Jodi Linscott (methinks). Saw that show twice in Atlanta and couldn't take my eyes off of Simon. Amazing player to say the least!!
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:58:37 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin (of 19 and 65), Lucca
Rajah,
Mr. Cobham is a beast indeed. My father produced concerts for a while in the 80s and Mr. Cobham played at my Dad's theatre. I will never forget the soloing he did with FOUR sticks -- two in each hand. It was amazing. In those days he was the man in fusion circles. He was built like a weight lifter.
Lonnie
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:57:15 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Sigh! Here we go again
So Quixote has finally found himself a windmill.
Bettertimes, I salute your respected opinion on drummers, hockey, and patriotism.
"Zak Starkey has light years to go before he would ever be seen in the same light as Neil." and "He is great but not Neil. " Uhmmm, which is it? Great or light years? So conclusively, being a great drummer doesn't put one in the same class as Neil?
"win a Cup and then come talk to me some more." Red Wings are engraved on the Stanley Cup - 10 times. Senators, 10 times. Red Wings are runner-ups 12 times. Senators - twice. "Ashamed" - feeling shame, guilt, or disgrace - because the Senators were one of two teams in the NHL to compete for the cup? "Despair" - no - that would be if the Sens were runner-ups 12 times. (p.s. the greatest Captain the Red Wings ever had was raised in Nepean - a 'burb of the capital city of Canada - not such a bad city after all right?).
A Wings/Sens final would have been a much better series. Yet the Wings were beat by the same team that beat the Sens. Ashamed. Dismal. Pathetic. Bored. Embarassed. "piece of sh!t goalie". Despair. Speaking from experience?
"Selling out your countrymen for the Brits" - yikes! I wonder, does my love and admiration for all things Steely Dan make me a sell out too? Damn these Canucks!
I am a Canadian NOT a Canadien.
I guess some people really don't know anything.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:54:30 ET
Posted by: Gustav Mahler, The West
Ahhhhh . . . just listening to the sounds of the 8-18-92 recording of the New York Rock and Soul Revue from Philly. Great stuff. WB and DF are just amazed at the reception the SD tunes were getting. Long show. Miss Mr. Bumpus! Good shit!
Gus
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:49:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah, a testimonial
Saw Billy Cobham with Mahavishnu in our college gym in the 70s, the Inner Mounting Flame had come out. I guess I must've been too stoned-out on the Tai-stick cause I didn't notice the open handed technique. What I did notice is that he hit the toms so hard the whole kit shook, thought fer shur he'd knock those suckers right off their hardware. I couldn't follow him at all, that jazz fusion stuff was much too complex for my tiny hard rock brain. Took me years afterward to break out of my Blue Oyster Cult dependancy. What bothered me about hard bop and jazz was that there were apparently all these people who knew music who thought it was the bees-knees but, me, I just couldn't understand it. All I knew was Frank until Aja helped me over the hump.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:37:42 ET
Posted by: our man abu, detroit
Bettertimes... I'm also in Oakland Co. Whereabouts are you?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 12:06:44 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Bettertimes apology accepted. Here's a little tidbit, I used to work for Chris Drapers Aunt and knew his Mum and Grandparents pretty well. Most Sens Fans would have rather we played Detroit.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:53:40 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Raj - well spotted - Billy Cobham started that open handed stuff I think - very tricky.
Simon Phillips is very good too - in the top echelon.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:39:45 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
FIFE - I wasn't insulting the city of Ottawa or the people. I was talking about the Hockey team. I love Canada and wish some of the U.S. cities were as clean as the Canadien cities. I have been to Ottawa, Toronto(#1), Montreal, Quebec. I agree, they are all nice and I do like the people. It was just a stale Cup finals. If you insulted a team I like I could careless. People take everything so serious, it is just sports and talking trash makes it fun and competitive. If we all liked the same team it would be boring. I live in Oakland County outside of Detroit, a great sports town (excluding the Lions, yes, they blow, no arguing that) The Pistons, Red Wings (original 6) and Tigers all have world championships and great tradition. To talk about Ottawa and Detroit in the same breath is ridiculous because of the lack of teams there. It is like comparing apples/oranges.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:33:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I saw Simon Phillips on a Who tour, he did something I'd never actually seen, he played open handed, hitting the hi hat with his left and the snare with his right, never crossing hands and yes he is a great player.
Good Ringo story, he should do a 60s flashback radio show.
Fife, I think that venue for tonight in Vienna, VA used to be called the old "Wolftrap," and it's a covered shed with a big lawn behind it, wooded areas all round the perimeter. I saw Men at Work there, cripes, get out my Members Only jacket and skinny tie. Ouch.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:27:17 ET
Posted by: Nice Story, Doc
Yeah, I mean if I say "God Bless You" to someone God probably says F that. But he probably listens when someone like Ringo says it. No doubt that person is blessed.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:12:28 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...here's my two cents about famous drummers:
When I lived in LA, I saw Ringo Starr in a parking garage in Beverly Hills....a shopper walking nearby sneezed, and Ringo said "God bless you." That was nice.
I also once had the misfortune of sharing an elevator with Mick Fleetwood. Mick had gas. That was NOT nice.
...oh how I miss those random celebrity encounters...
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 11:08:58 ET
Posted by: Trevor, UK
The bloke that replaced Jeff Porcaro in Toto is pretty darn good. His name is Simon Phillps and this chap is better than about 90% of the drummers that you people have been talking about here the last few days.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 10:51:03 ET
Posted by: Fife, A Sens Fan, an Original Ottawa Native and proud of it!
Bettertimes,
Where is it that you actually live? What games were you watching by the way? Have you ever been to Ottawa??? The Senators made it for the first time to the Cup finals beating the much tooted Buffalo Sabres to get there. How would you like it if I dissed your hometown. You'd be pissed unless you really don't give a f**k. Ottawa is a beautiful city with good people and a great hockey team.
Now for the Dan content: Getting ready to head off to Vienna for the Danfest and show, I can't wait it's a new venue for me in a state park. Can't wait.
Fife
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 10:33:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah, it's all happening at the Zoo
Ringo was a better movie actor than drummer, more chops. In the pre-Beatles days Ringo played in a band called Rory Storm & the Hurricanes and was considered very polished and professional. He was good, berry berry good, his time was excellent. But as rock grew and the sound became harder and freakier, Ringo's skills seemed to pale in comparison to the wild men of later rock. But Ringo remains perhaps the best-loved can-man. He was so good in Hard Days Night and Help. Not bad in Magic Christian and Candy.
He lives here in LA, not to tell tales out of school but I have an old friend who is his physical therapist and when she went over there one day, Ringo called out from behind his kit, "Cynthia! come over here, I'll teach you how to play the drums!" Isn't that just so...Ringo? Adorable.
Dallas/Sail the Waterway, the false-start single prior to CBAT that was pulled from the shelves by ABC/Dunhill. It's no small miracle Steely Dan ever even made it in the music biz and if it hadn't been for Reelin' in the Years they may never have.
Hey out there, how was the Toledo Zoo?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 10:22:04 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Drumming and Drummers
Just two more pence
Ringo - the ultimate example of playing for the song - actually he is left handed and plays right - that why his fills are always interesting and almost backwards
Keith Moon - a one off - there will never be another
John Bonham - just a great drummer - the key thing about him was that he swung like a mother and played the songs - he was also a drum student - the intro to Rock and Roll is based on an old New Orleans type intro to an old RnR number
Neil Peart - technically brilliant - not for me but one of the best ever
Zak Starkey - will never be a Moon but gets pretty darn close and Townshend and Daltrey love him - also plays in a diferent style with Oasis.
Vinnie - can do anything - for me he is all about accents - listen to Seven Days by Sting - to play it right you need to get the accents right.
Porcaro - musical beyond belief.
Copeland - inventive - brought reggae drumming to the masses.
Drumming is not an Olympic event - for me its about the groove, its about bringing the song to life, its about letting your bandmates play and sing without getting in the way and its about using the right chop in the right place at the right time.
As for spotting drummers just by listening - I think that's true in days gone by but with the advent of all this technology its more difficult (see Wendel and getting the perfect drum sound) although I had a quick listen to Tal Lady Bass Player from Down Under's CD and knew it was Carlock straightaway.
Wonder if Don and Walt have these discussions when choosing their drummers??? you know Peart's a bit Olympian for me, Bonham - swings but too loud, Ringo (see Knopfler), Copeland nothing above 130 bpm please Stewart and where has the one gone? calm down Keith, ditto Zak etc etc
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 09:38:54 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
WOODMAN - I have seen Zak twice with The Who (with John & Pino on Bass)and a show I know you didn't see, since you seem to know what I have seen! Zak playing with Johnny Marr(The Smiths) and the Healers in a small club (Magic Stick, Detroit) about 10 feet from him. I have seen him up close and personal. He is great but not Neil.
The capital city of Canada should be ashamed of itself for that dismal, pathetic display of hockey they bored the world with during the Stanley Cup finals. I guess the final really was the Detroit/Anaheim series. The Wings would have embarrased the Sens the same way. You can't win with that piece of shit goalie you have! Hang your head in despair as there will be no program/Game 6 because it is over, OTTAWA BLOWS! Go Red Wings, win a Cup and then come talk to me some more.
By the way, that last The Who record "Endless Wire" is a real doozy! that record sank like the Titanic and what a successful tour as well. Rush's "Snakes and Arrows" debuted at #3 and the tour is SOLD OUT! I guess there is alot of people who don't know anything. If you are Canadien you should be ashamed of yourself for selling out your countrymen for the Brits anyway! You might be the first Canadien I have ever heard bash Rush/Neil. Unreal!
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 09:29:47 ET
Posted by: our man abu, detroit
An aural inquiry...
At about 3:21 into "The Royal Scam", has anyone else heard what seems to be Camryn Manheim clearing her throat?
Anyone?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 09:16:08 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
Dirty Work was never a single.
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/951017%20prodigy.htm
prolific (PRODIGY Member): Does it bother you that a lot of people only know you from singles like Reelin In the Years and Dirty Work and not from your albums?
Walter Becker (Speaker): I defy you to find one single person who knows us only from the single Dirty Work.
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_singles.htm
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 09:00:39 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Woodman - my favorite Spinal Tap drummer would clearly be the unfortunate bastard who died choking on vomit! Not really sure who's vomit. Ya can't very well dust for vomit.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 08:58:50 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Ask Greg Bisonnette what he thinks about Ringo! Bisonnette is certainly one of the premiere badasses out there and I can promise you nobody has more respect for Ringo than does he! A lot of the best drummers give props to Ringo. You'll also hear some drummers who don't respect him at all. I've always thought he played what was suited for the music. He's definitely no chopslinger - but as has been mentioned, that's not what drumming's about. At the end of the day, he was the drummer for The Beatles! Just my .02
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 08:51:29 ET
Posted by: Woodman, My Old School
C Willie,
Amen.
The question begs to be asked; who was your favourite Spinal Tap drummer?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 07:26:15 ET
Posted by: C Willie, FR
Vinnie, no rhetoric, just pointing out the plain facts. Drummers don't name check Ringo or Mason. My admiration for those two is based on their ability to subsume their ego into the music. I quoted my dad a few days ago on this board - he was a jazz drummer in the 1930's: "in my day the best compliment you could pay a drummer was that you didn't even know they were there until they stopped playing" - how many modern drummers, really, could cope with that?
All musicians could be criticised for the same reason, but for me the big big problem with modern drummers is that they are trying to compete with drum machines, be drum machines (and Steely Dan played their part in that, as we all know). These days we are all guilty of being groove-obsessed, and I think we lose our real sense of rhythm as a result.
There's a big regular noise in contemporary rock&pop where the pulse would have been, sounds to me like the more post-modern and self-conscious music gets, we don't even know how to engage with it any more. (Only Western music even has the 4 in a bar concept, ferchrissakes...) Its all there in the cliches everybody accepts - "laying down" the groove - but if the groove pre-exists all the musicians including the drummer(s) should be reacting to it, not claiming it.
Anyway, call me old-fashioned...
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 07:04:40 ET
Posted by: Dirty Work, must've had a B side?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 07:03:15 ET
Posted by: B Side, B Ville
Yes, it was Fire in the Hole.
Who else knows any more B sides?
It would have been COOL to have DTMA as a B side for Kid C, no?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 06:34:46 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
"With all of that said - no one kept a beat better then Ringo (c'mon look at who was writing the tunes, he had to bring his A game)"
WOODMAN, only a fool would say that. I've lost all respect for your arguments. Ringo played some of the shakiest drumming I've ever heard. "But it's the Beatles man- he played perfectly for the music- wah wah wah, blah blah blah." I hate that argument. THe Beatles got popular because people liked what they heard. I call it luck- I doubt Ringo consciously made a decision to hold back- his skills were very limited so he had to keep it simple. Just because you're used to the sound of the Beatles after 40 yrs of listening doesn't mean if the Beatles had a different drummer from the start it would be worse. In fact, i'm sure no one would give a shit. the masses listen to the voices and the notes. ringo came with the fame package- that's why he was adored by so many other future drummers.
Your knowledge of drummers seems very limited, or at least VERY biased based on the bands and songs you liked.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 06:20:33 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
C Willie, we get that shit all the time. Just because a drummer has chops doesn't mean he can't play to the music. And this whole time we haven't been holding a WHO CAN PLAY THE FASTEST competition. In fact, we're trying to find drummers who are in fact very tasty and musical but still respected as a skilled drummer. So stop that rhetoric. I'm tired of it, and I think it's just as ignorant as someone who things the best drummer is the one who can play the fastest in the world.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 05:15:24 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Rajah:
Indeed so.
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 05:04:41 ET
Posted by: Newark, Next Do'
Tryin' to figure out what I'm gonna wear to Portsmouth. hehe
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 04:31:10 ET
Posted by: C Willie, FR
Sorry but as a non-drumming musician I have to chip into the drummer debate, cos to me its going all the wrong way. Here's my rimshot:
2 of my fave drummers only ever get mentioned to get dissed: Ringo and Nick Mason. What are their great chops? In that they supremely control their egos! Check any footage and they are heads up, looking around at everyone - not just the bass player - and doing just enough to let the rest of the music shine (ie what everyone else but drummers wants to hear). A powerhouse drummer would have completely unbalanced the Beatles sound. In the case of the Floyd, - a band often described in sentences ending "...on steroids" - the "lightweight" Mason is a genius at creating the space where their rather fragile harmonic creations can actually work at all.
Both these unique and brilliant bands owe more of their success to their "underperforming" drummers than a million less successful bands owe to theirs. Does that spell it out clearly enough to you drum-nuts?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 02:31:56 ET
Posted by: Steely B's, .
Do it Again/Fire in the Hole
Reelin/Only a Fool
There was no double sided hit from Aja. None of those B sides got top 40 airplay.
The duration of the Deacon Blues single was 6:40, almost a minute less than the album version but still long enough to sue them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PROMO-45-rpm-STEELY-DAN-Deacon-Blues-NEAR-MINT_W0QQitemZ320113673251QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 01:01:09 ET
Posted by: I think, it's
For 50 points, who knows the B side of "Do It Again"?
B - Side: Is it "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again"?
Date: Thurs, June 07, 2007, 00:34:37 ET
Posted by: B Side, B Ville
Cool! So there WAS a double-sided hit from the LP Aja.
I wonder if they cut down the length of, let's say Deacon to get it to fit on the one side of the 7-inch 45? Cassette singles obviously could take the full-length version. Another trick that was used, was that Side A of the 7-inch 45 contained about 1/2 of Don McLean's lengthy "American Pie" and the rest was CONTINUED on the flipside! At the end of Side A, they tacked on a little 5 second outro to fade it out.
With the advent of the CD in mass production around 1983-84, the rise of the use of 12-inch vinyl and the cassette single, full-length and sometimes instrumental versions and various mixes of cuts could be had, which led to the demise of the 7-inch 45.
Rock Historian-So they used Bodi as Side B on BOTH Gaucho singles?
What a rip!
To continue with this line of Steely B side questioning, how many other B sides of Steely/Fagen released singles do you (or any one else) know about? Neither of the Morph "singles" had B sides.
I think i have 7 inch of Century's End stashed somewhere. I don't remember the B-side. Another question would be what were the 3 B sides of the three-single LP "Can't Buy a Thrill". They probably would have used 6 of the 10 cuts pretty easily.
For 50 points, who knows the B side of "Do It Again"? Which I do know.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 23:44:33 ET
Posted by: Woodman, SensNation
LAST WORD FROM WOODS TO BETTERTIMES
Luminaries Daltrey and Townshend do not risk their reputations, especially in a comeback some of us have been fortunate to see, with musicians who are either a facsimile or who may be sub par. "Uhm, Hello?". "Ya, this is Daltrey and Townshend - can you come out to play?". "Uhm, Who?". "Ya, Who.". Basically they get to pick Who ever they want to play with. Much like Don and Walt.
BETTERTIMES – sorry sir, your comments on Zack is another example of your ignorance on this subject. I saw it. I was there. I have seen every Who tour since Keith died. Zack “Tom Sawyer’d” all over Neil. And may I add, only because BETTERTIMES, I know you haven’t seen Zack play, Zack played with a very simple drum kit – and still filled it with music! Respectfully I will conclude, Neil is talented and has legacy on Zack. I respectful legacy I will humbly add.
p.s. Fife - I was praying for Game 6 because? I wanted more then ever to purchase YOU a game 6 program - we grief - I promise you m'friend - 1 day - I will. Only Aa Fool Would Say That : )
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 23:14:29 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I couldn't have put it more eloquently Woody. Always next year, eh.
2 more Dan Shows to go. Doubt very much Don will put the puck in his own net!!! Sorry couldn't resist.
Fife
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 23:04:24 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Canada
Hi Ya Fife,
Well we did something no other team in Ontario was capable of doing for the last 40 years.
I am proud of our team.
This is something to build upon.
p.s. the cup in Hollywood is good for the league - perhaps others may recognize the beauty of the sport and bring it to a place it belongs.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 22:58:04 ET
Posted by: Woodman, canada
Hey Raj,
Long time no hear. I pray you are enthralled with this years festivities online and off.
Gretchen - my prayers are still with ye.
Y'know - despite the last 4 weeks of posts - I have to say I agree with you. However, I have always been much stronger in my educated knowledge of guitarists then drummers, I still have to go on record as saying I will take any of these then some others. With all of that said - no one kept a beat better then Ringo (c'mon look at who was writing the tunes, he had to bring his A game), no one could swing like Charlie (from Honky Tonk to Rock and a Hard Place), Bonham (only one drummer could do Kashmir) and then Keith (Won't Get Fooled Again - nuff said).
Folks I am not encouraging a battle of which is best because the topic is opinionated. I am simply trying to point out that much like guitarists, drummers are different. Everyone has their opinion - and to crown one the best is frankly ignorant. Carlock excluded of course.
Bettertimes - thanks for pointing out the obvious. Happy 41st anniversary!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 21:42:44 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
There was a Billboard story in 1981 about SD's fight with MCA over the B side to Time out of Mind. SD wanted Third World Man as the B side. But as Gaucho only had 7 songs, MCA insisted that the B side be the Jerome Aniton introduced Bodhisattva which was also the B side to Hey Nineteen, Gaucho's first single.
In the article, Gary Katz also was quoted as saying MCA's decision to price Gaucho a buck higher was hurting its sales.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 21:34:04 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, Aja singles
Peg/I got the News
Josie/Black Cow
Deacon Blues/Home at Last
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 21:13:32 ET
Posted by: drummer girl,
Let Meg White sink in a bit and you'll see a new side to drumming. What was the quote?
"There is no beat that Meg White can't simplify"
But if Meg is too mellow, check out banshee drummer (and multi-instumentalist) Lauren K. Newman. She has reportedly broken her own nose several times from focus and hard-hitting.
Milo - I always thought Donald and Walter should hook up with Yuval Gabay and Sebastian Steinberg from Coughing, put some spring in that r&b. If I were Steely's producer I would even do some Dan rhythm tracks with Medeski Martin and Wood.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 21:06:56 ET
Posted by: B-sides, B Ville
The Aja LP had seven long tracks and four released singles. What did they use for B-sides?
"The World Is a Ghetto" by War had six tracks, two singles which were the title track and "Cisco Kid" (#3 Billboard) but common practice was to stick a short version of a deep cut on the B-side so you would still have some incentive to buy the LP.
Then there were "double-sided" hits, such as Carole King's "It's Too Late" and "I Feel the Earth Move". Were there any for Aja, such as Peg and Deacon as flipsides, Josie and Black Cow or whatevah?
What did they do for Aja? Did they use any of those songs from the Legends Collection, for example? Or Western World?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 20:46:08 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
WOODMAN - First off your Sens blow ass and are going to get eliminated tonight by a sorry ass southern California team. The Cup hasn't resided in Canada since 1993 and it isn't coming back this year either! Go Sens Go, Ha, Yah, GO HOME! with a 4-1 spanking!
If you think Zak Starkey is better than Neil Peart at rock drumming because he is Ringo's(who is overrated) son and is filling in with The Who then I am done even listening to another thing you say. Zak Starkey has light years to go before he would ever be seen in the same light as Neil.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 20:32:23 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
What is it with the way Sting sings - with that bullshit, phony staccato delivery.
I wish Jaco was alive to kick his ass literally and figuratively.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:26:47 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Craig, Try this:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_concerts.htm
I also like the midi version of Peg!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:18:27 ET
Posted by: Greg, wp
Where can i find a list of past tour dates that go as far back as the early 90's and 70's?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:06:48 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
Sorry Jim, I was referring to the Police track "Murder By Numbers". I should have made that clear. I looked at my vinyl version and it wasn't on there.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:01:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Jazzman: Thanks for verifying the oddity about "Shades" only being on the Yellowjackets' CD of the same name. Sure, it wasn't uncommon to have CD-only bonus tracks but having the title track as the bonus is pretty odd!
Jim
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:01:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Gentlemen, I am holding my vinyl copt of Synchronicity, it bears the copywright date of 1983, A&M Records. It does not include Murder by Numbers. Perhaps this anomoly was added to subsequent CD pressings but it most assuredly and most definitely is not included on the origianl Synchronicity album.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:01:28 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
This is funny. Because that track list comes from a cassette tape.
Anyone remember those? ;^)
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 18:00:31 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
Taken from http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=569
Murder By Numbers by The Police
This was used as the B-side of "Every Breath You Take," but it was omitted from the vinyl copy of Synchronicity. At the time, vinyl copies went on sale before cassettes, and CD technology was just emerging. Many people would buy the vinyl copies right away, so leaving this off encouraged them to also purchase the "Every Breath You Take" single or the cassette.
I have owned the cassette and CD versions, never vinyl. Good call jazz. I semi-apologize to Rajah
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:56:28 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Maryland
It definitely is not on the vinyl version. I just looked at mine. Maybe it's on the CD only ?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:54:30 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Police Synchronicity A&M Records
1. Synchronicity
2. Walking In Your Footsteps
3. O My God
4. Mother
5. Miss Gradenko
6. Synchronicity II
7. Every Breath You Take
8. King Of Pain
9. Wrapped Around Your Finger
10. Tea In The Sahara
11. Murder By Numbers
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:50:10 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
Rajah,
I hate to correct you publicly, but Murder by Numbers does appear on Synchronicity. Please verify the track listing on the website of a reputable online retailer.
There's no way I would have ever heard of the song if it didn't.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:31:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Indeed, my droll Bassy, Meg White is merely a drum owner...or wait a minute... maybe she just rents. In any case, just having an axe is nowhere near to deserving it. You have to E-A-R-N it, old man.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:21:47 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Moonie,
Let me get this right: I am wrong because you think WB "said as much" in an interview that you might be able to find on the internet? Do I have this right? You have no proof, yet I am wrong that Chambers was not the first choice for the reunited Dan of 19 and 93. You say it was Lawson. Why is it that Lawson did not join them in 1994 if he was the first choice in 1993? Interesting query. 1994 was also a more extensive tour and that was more appealing to Chambers vs. the 26 shows played in 1993.
Anyone else want to chime in on this?
Lonnie the Kingpin
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:20:24 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
To be strictly accurate, isn't Meg more of a "drum owner" than an actual "drummer"? LOL
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:16:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh Drummer Girl, Meg White? No no, she plays drums in a pretend band named White Stripes, but she is by no means a drummer.
BTW somebody out there, Murder by Numbers does not appear on Synchronicity.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 17:00:09 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Oh drummergirl how I miss Soul Coughing. Wish they would get back
together.
CUE: Raymond Scott Sample
SCREENWRITER'S BLUES
Exits to freeways
wisted like knots on
the fingers
jewels cleaving
skin between
breasts.
Your Cadillac breathes
four hundred horses
over blue lines
you are going
to Reseda
to make love
to a model
from Ohio
whose real name
you don't
know
you spin
like the cadillac was
overturning down a
cliff on television
and the radio is on
and the radioman is speaking
and the radioman says
women were a curse
so men built Paramount
studios
and men built Columbia
studios
and men built
Los Angeles
it is 5 am
and you are listening
to Los Angeles
And the radioman says
it is a beautiful night out there!
And the radioman says
Rock and Roll lives!
And the radioman says
it is a beautiful night out there
in Los Angeles
you live
in Los Angeles
and you are going to
Reseda; we are all
in some way or
another going to
Reseda someday
to die
and the radioman
laughs because
the radioman fucks
a model too
Gone savage
for teenagers with
automatic weapons and
boundless love
gone savage for
teenagers who are
aesthetically pleasing
in other words
fly
Los Angeles beckons
the teenagers
to come to her
on buses;
Los Angeles loves
love
it is 5 am
and you are listening
to Los Angeles
I am going to
Los Angeles
to built a screenplay about
lovers who
murder each
other
I am going to
Los Angeles
to see my own
name on a
screen, five feet
long and luminous
as the radioman says
it is 5 am
and the sun has charred
the other side of
the world and come
back to us
and painted the smoke
over our heads
an imperial violet
it is 5 am
and you are listening
to Los Angeles.
You are listening.
You are listening.
You are listening.
You are listening.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 16:49:32 ET
Posted by: drummer girl,
Ok, here's a drummer who is actually musically appropriate for her band, but who would make Donald and Walter spontaneously combust: Meg White from the White Stripes
More cool drummers:
?uestlove
Billy Martin
Yuval Gabay
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 16:30:50 ET
Posted by: cj,
June is starting off with a bang here in the Olympic city of Chicago. Unlike the verse of a SD song "there aint nothing in Chicago for a monkey women to do. In the year of the chicada. Blue fest this weekend, I wonder if Mr Roger Waters may be in attendance? Oh ya SD on the 27, Taste of Chicago, America and Chicago Saturday in the park on the 30Th. I feel Sd show in Chicago is going to the one.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:38:52 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I believe a quirk of the Yellowjacket's "Shades" album was that the title track was included on the CD version and not the LP.
Thanks for catching that cj. Actually we are still batting around ideas which could include events on both the 26th and 27th.
An idea is that on the 26th we will have a party in a Lake Shore Drive West penthouse of a high rise near Lincoln Park that can be available to us. It's just a POSSIBILITY at this point.
Also we're checking out and batting around ideas for places for before the show on the 27th.
Here in Chicago, we are experiencing pockets of the "Seventeen Year Cicadas." In areas where there are mature trees and woody shrubs, there are litterally trillions of these larvae crawling out of the ground, climbing trees, molting or whatever they call it into flying bugs which make a great noise, lay eggs and die. The eggs hatch into larvae which burrow into the ground where they do something like hibernation for another 17 years. Some areas of the US have something similar but every 13 years instead. By the time the 26th rolls around, many will be "gone."
So I got one of the Cicadas to smile for the camera as best as I could for something akin to the "Katy Lied" cover pose. Hence the likely name of this years' Chicago Danfest--"Chicady Lied"--ehhh. br>
Sign up for the Chicago Danfest list to take part in the discussion.
Jim
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:28:24 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I appreciate Moon for single-handedly inspiring the creation of Animal, drummer for the Muppets. To these ears, his drumming was some of the sloppiest I've ever heard. Amusing as hell, if nothing else.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:18:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Woodman, each drummer you list save for Porcaro had some serious limitations. Each was a great performer, but not necessarily a real musician with a broad understanding or historical perspective, even, of technique or rhythmic range, that is, being able to cover and having an appreciation for a few different styles.
Keith Moon played drums like nobody else. He had no formal training that I can discern from footage of him. The drumheads were all parallel to the ground, he was very undisciplined and seemed to just roam around the toms. And he did it brilliantly.
Charlie Watts is solid but unspectacular to the point that his unspectacularity is his most identifiable trait.
Ringo was hot in 1962 but was swiftly outstripped when things got away from rock-a-billy and got psychedelic.
John Bonham was the biggest hitter of all times, Stairway to Heaven remains listenable solely because of him, he was a wonder, he is underrated and overlooked, IMHO.
Jeff Porcaro was the true musician and with all due respect to the other four players, he far outstripped them in range, abililty and execution.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:17:33 ET
Posted by: It was a tribute to the many "Shades", he heard in the groups music
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:10:19 ET
Posted by: Thats right, Shades
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:08:11 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN
Shades.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 15:05:23 ET
Posted by: Question, see if you know
In 1986 DF wrote a song for the Yellowjackets.What was the name of the song? It was the title track and also the name of the album.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 14:52:12 ET
Posted by: cj,
WORMY
Janis Jopplin
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 14:46:43 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Woodman:
I respectfully concur but, hey, what do I know? LOL
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 14:35:45 ET
Posted by: cj,
Hoops I've noticed on the danfest section for Chicago the date is showing 6/26/07. Is this correct. Concert 6/27/07. Also any plans yet?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 14:20:39 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Sensnation
Wormy,
Two words - Keith Moon.
Bettertimes,
I am born and raised a Canuck. Lived here, will live here, all my life. Have enjoyed Canadian music for some odd 40 years. During that same time I have listened and enjoyed Rush since the mid 70's (pre Tom Sawyer crap). And to read you spew that Neil P. is the best rock drummer is an obvious sign of your ignorance towards rock drummers. Although I will give him credit for what he has done, and his place in RnR history - he will NEVER be the best rock drummer.
Moon
Watts
Starr (father AND son)
Bonham
Porcaro
...and those are mearly a few I can name of the top of my head. Please don't embarass yourself lad on this topic. You are not convincing anyone.
Go Sens Go
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:42:36 ET
Posted by: sleepy,
Ringo Starr :-P
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:31:38 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Funny didn't the boys put out an album a year right up to AJA? Then 3 years for Gaucho, under the circumstances it's understandable why it took 3 years. Then 3 years between 2VN and EMG. 3 seems to be the lucky number. That being the case we've another year to go before Walt's solo number comes out. Makes sense to me.
Fife
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:31:09 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Sorry.
Mis-spelt my own Username.
Sheesh!! LOL
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:26:15 ET
Posted by: sleepy,
Kenney Jones
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:24:43 ET
Posted by: To Waterloo,
About Walter's album finishing up. That's according to Austin Scaggs' column.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:05:05 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola
what member that joined fulltime
carlton or scott don't count
I like many of your answers but not I one I had in mind
keep em coming
POLICE
sting is an egotistical ass
that comment on him begging the boys just shows how much he feeds off the attention. I have the atlanta dvd from the synch tour and he's so look at me ego centered
in NOLA jazzfest 6 years ago he demanded a private plane and $300k
other artists got jack
then he had to come on 30 minutes late
3 years ago - his solo tour
he was playing all the ladies in the audience
grow up
Stu and Andy picking setlist songs is great
deep cuts
don and walt should take note
glad to see walt doing mc jokes
maybe he could do more of that and skip the singing
heard it here on blue first
wt
portsmouth bound va
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 11:03:19 ET
Posted by: My Waterloo,
Hoops I read in your current digest that Walter is putting "the finishing touches" on his record. Well, what a crock of shit that is!
Steely Dan is on the road until the beginning of October. Kind of hard to work on a new record when you're traveling every day for four months. This is so typical of these guys. Tell the fans that something is coming out and then it's released three years later. They've been doing this kind of BS'ing since before Aja came out.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:59:38 ET
Posted by: baasicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"Anyone who has anything bad to say about Rush or its members truly knows nothing about musicianship and what a real band is."
Well, that told us.
And there was me thinking we were ALL entitled to an opinion!! LOL
Oh well...................back to ignorance I suppose.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:50:41 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
THE POLICE??
It is nothing more or less than fun. That was teenagersmusic in the seventies with some great songs. But generally spoken very overrated.
" Synchronicity" was their last album but maybe artisticely spoken their most interesting one.
So let me put it this way: Police is nothing more than nostalgie of the seventiesteenagers.
And most of all: you cannot compare The Police with Steely Dan because there is a world of difference.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:23:43 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
Danny Carey is my favorite out of the drummers for Rush, Dream Theater, and Tool. Although, Tool is my least favorite of those three. BUT they are still an INCREDIBLE band. Lateralus is a masterpiece.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:22:31 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Vinnie the Man - to my knowledge, there is no DVD (not yet anyway), just a VHS, and I'm not sure where. A friend of mine in Nashville has the VHS.
Bettertimes - I've also been a RUSH fan since "A Farewell To Kings" came out and I used to think Peart was the only guy who could really drum. That was then... There's a cd called "Burning For Buddy" which is a Buddy Rich tribute cd that Neil Peart himself put together. Check out the various drummers that show up on that: EVERY DAMN ONE OF THOSE GUYS CAN PLAY CIRCLES AROUND NEIL PEART!!! And, again, I love Neil! He was a major influence when I was a kid.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:21:50 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
VINNIE IS THE MAN - I will bypass the Rush talk because we could be here all day. Danny Carey is another polyrhythm master. I love Tool and have seen them many times and am going July 3, 5 again. He is mezmerizing to watch. The power, the skill, unreal!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:19:44 ET
Posted by: Springs McCann,
Thanks Sticks. Now I know what Groove is..
You sound like someone I know. I see a smokey image of something white
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:16:53 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
THE POLICE - Don't buy into all this negativity and bullshit about The Police. First off, it is Stewart's band and he has wanted The Police to get back together for years. Watch the new documentary that Stewart made "Everyone Stares" that was released on DVD not to long ago. Yes, Sting is pompous but don't let that ruin the show. I have personally met Andy Summers at The Baked Potato in Los Angeles. His solo band plays there alot. He is the nicest guy you will ever meet. You can see why he/Stewart bashed heads with Sting. As far as the concert, Stewart's blog got blown out of proportion just like every news topic does. A friend of mine saw one of the first Vancouver shows and said it was "fucking unbelievable". The band hasn't toured in 23 years, it takes a few gigs to get the machine well oiled.
For example, last Summer I saw Steely in Chicago at the start of the Sugartooth tour and then in Detroit 2 months later and the Chicago show was half as good as Detroit.
Anyone who thinks The Police concert isn't going to be great is a moron. Do you really think those 3 are going to go out on tour and embarass themselves. Stewart Copeland enough said!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:12:25 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the Man,
Bettertimes- I'm guessing you aren't a drummer. If you are, I don't mean to insult. While Rush is one of my favorite bands, as I matured into my late high school years, I realized Peart wasn't AS good as everyone made him out to be (I discovered the same thing with Mike Portnoy- again one of my favorite bands is Dream Theater- I'm a youngin). His technique is stiff, and you can hear it, especially in the later albums. As for his solo- he's been doing that thing for 2 decades. I commend him for being musical and entertaining the crowd as a whole- but it's gotten old, and to a skilled drummer, it's not that impressive.
JOSEY- i see the cd on audiophile imports, but not the dvd. where can i get that?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:10:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Has Pete Fogel posted any Heavy Rollers Tour pictures yet? Does he have a site?
Thanks
What a deal Sting T's for 40 bucks
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 10:05:47 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Neil Peart of Rush is one of the best rock drummers, EVER, period! beyond the fact that he is super smart and writes all the lyrics for Rush as well. They are the best 3 man band ever in my opinion! The sound those 3 can make is unreal. Alex Lifeson one of the most underrated guitarists, Geddy playing killer bass, while playing keys with his feet and lead singing(are you kidding me) and then there is the ultimate anchor Neil. Name a drum solo that is better than Neil's, you CAN'T! Nobody touches his solo's! They have only gone Gold/Platinum every single record since 1975 for a reason!
RUSH is the mothership and I can't wait to go see the "Snakes and Arrows" tour on Aug. 28, 30 and Sept. 22 in Toronto, Yes!
Anyone who has anything bad to say about Rush or its members truly knows nothing about musicianship and what a real band is. You can appreciate Steely Dan for ow many people it takes not only to keep together but make the music. On the other end of the spectrum each member of Rush is a virtuoso and they can do with 3 people what most bands with 4 or 5 could only dream of. You stick around for over 30 years for a reason!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:56:53 ET
Posted by: hate the police, chi-town
The Police Tour will go down in History as the most overrated concerts of all time!!
They r charging $40 4 a t-shirt
and talk about greed:
One music-industry heavyweight tells Page Six: "Sting worked on Stewart and Andy for six months trying to get them to agree to tour. They didn't really want to at first. It's not like they need the money. They're set for life off of the royalties alone.
"But for some reason, Sting was insistent, telling them how much money they all could make," the source said.
To sweeten the deal, Sting "assured his former bandmates they could not only pick the song list for the tour, but that the three would share equally in profits - whereas in the past, Sting always got a higher percentage because he was the frontman.
"They finally agreed," our source said, and the group decided to kick off their reunion tour with an opening performance at the Grammys of "Roxanne."
But Copeland and Summers apparently didn't realize what they had signed on for. "Andy and Stew thought they would just do the old rock version of 'Roxanne,' " our insider said, "but when they showed up for sound check, Sting had created this weird, jazz-blues version of the song, and they kind of freaked out."
Sting insisted that his version was better and sang the unexpected rendition of the 1978 hit at the Grammys - to almost everyone's dismay.
"It was hideous," said one music executive. "Lets hope the whole rest of the song sets for the tour aren't like that."
Have u heard any of the shows on you tube?
Brutal just Brutal
Thoughts?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:35:00 ET
Posted by: Sticks McCann,
Groove, baby, think of the groove as when you're making love to your honey and you both get into that perfect cadence, the squeek of the bedsprings are even and steady. You and the instrument you're percussing are in perfect synch, no jostling around, no contretemps, no wasted movements no matter what position you're in. You're in the pocket, Clyde, don't even need to think.
Groove first, all the other movements are fill;)
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:27:24 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, nottingham UK
"What are you going on about, dear boy? We British are famous for our sense of irony and satire. Witness the Sex Pistols and Right Said Fred."
Indeed.
Perhaps a little irony of my own was creeping in? LOL
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:26:30 ET
Posted by: Chiprdr, Cuyahoga Falls Ohio
I did not have a tic for the show at Toledo Zoo June 5th.Called the box office in the morning. They said tickets might be released prior to show even though it was "sold out". Not only did I get a ticket, 10 rows from the stage, center section on the floor. One of the best shows yet! Band sounded great. Felt they gave us a little extra because of the rain. They played throughout setlist without an intermission.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:26:16 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Vinnie Is The Man - that Chick Corea Akoustic Band trio's NOT a bootleg. You can buy it from Chick's website (I think) at Chickcorea.com or I know for a fact that you can get it at www.audiophileimports.com That's where I bought my copy about 4 or 5 years ago. You can also see clips of that at youtube. It's insane!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:22:13 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Wormy - my guess would be Neil Peart for RUSH.
RJ Squirrell - as Rajah said - YES! You can damn sure tell certain drummers by their style. To me, Vinnie is the easiest simply because nobody else plays the way he does. Dave Weckl has a very identifiable style - although many have borrowed from him heavily!! Gadd would be another who has a very identifiable sound. You could take the same beat, have 10 different drummers play it, and you'll have 10 different, albeit very slightly, sounds playing the exact same thing...if that makes sense.
One song that had me fooled for a long time was GAUCHO. I used to be certain that had to have been Steve Gadd playing that song. Found out later it was Porcaro.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:21:50 ET
Posted by: Ken, .
Becker & Fagen - Jay & the Americans.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:21:29 ET
Posted by: Matt, NC
About what time do they typically soundcheck? I'll be in Portsmouth and want to check it out.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:21:14 ET
Posted by: ccw, dc
David Gilmour transformed Pink Floyd's sound significantly.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:19:20 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, more...
Wormy - SD/Carlton, SD/Tom Scott,
Michael McDonald/Doobies (keyboards and vocals)
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:06:49 ET
Posted by: sleepy, your own way
wormy,
Lindsey Buckingham
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 09:04:14 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Wormy - Larry Carlton!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:59:31 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
Wormy,
Genesis/Phil Collins.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:54:04 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola soon portsmouth
drummers - blade is the shit
I'll add a few not mentioned
elvin jones, manu katche, bill bruford, paul motian
big triv question
what instrumentalist joined full time an established band (at least one available recording out) and subsequently transformed the sound of that band - I have my answer in mind, interested in yours
~ ~ ~ ~
I'm bringing signs to Portsmouth
Black Cow, Janie, Dr Wu, THings I Miss The Most, Deacon Blues
(I'd rather hear BC and Janie than TVN (heard twice))
never know
hopefully the VA gigs wolftrap and portsmouth will introduce a few new tunes for the Beacon Run Mach II
I'll be at the soundcheck on friday for sure
probably won't be on line till monday though
pleasant topsoilantries
WT
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:49:21 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Bangin' on the bongos like a chimpanzee
Fair enough Rajah and thanks. But what is a "groove", eh? Other than hand speed why can't any drummer copy any other drummer? Why did Walter use a crummy machine on 11TOW? Don't you think drummers drive Don and Walt nuts? I always liked Charlie Watts because he didn't use the typical gigantic kit and always had that relaxed shit-eating grin like "can you believe I'm making a fucking fortune playing this shit?"!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:44:44 ET
Posted by: Noel Coward,
What are you going on about, dear boy? We British are famous for our sense of irony and satire. Witness the Sex Pistols and Right Said Fred.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:37:50 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Just had a thought:
Maybe the problem is my tragically and typically British underdeveloped sense of irony?? LOL
Could be eh?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:27:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
RJS - those are actually good questions and I realize we're on this drum-jag here so I'll address and then shuddup...
Wendel was an experiment for Steely Dan. Get a machine that's beat-perfect, you don't have to parade all these expensive session men in and out alla time. Turns out, most of the crap on radio today is some sort of drum machine. Digital drum machines keep perfect time. Most humans do not. It is the rare human who does. And drum machines, as Walter said, have changed the way younger peoples' rhythmic sense and expectations. That's a damn shame, IMHO, because there are subtle nuances in every song where the beat, certainly the feel of the beat, changes, flows and morphs in sometimes imperceptible ways. Keeping rock hard time is no small matter. It takes the ear and talent for rhythm and it also takes, how can I describe this, a resolve, a strength of mind and a control over your body really, to lay down a pace and stick to it in your head no matter where the song goes. Other players flutter in and out but the man behind the cans is like the guys storming the beach on D-Day, you hit that beach and it's all on you to survive. There's no saftey net, no one has your back, it's all on you, Bunky, you fuck up and everything falls apart. A drummer must lead without being overbearing, notes, yeah, drummers tune each drum to replicate certain tonalities but really, they're not notes, they're pitches at best. I always compare drummers more to dancers than musicians, a physical presentation of a beat to certain time increments and adding thereto all the attendant moves, steps, positions, textures (my favorite new word)of rhythm.
As for being able to identify a drummer from an audit of a song, oh heck yes, I've heard so many Beatles songs so many times, I could pick Ringo out in an opium stupor. Copeland, same way, Gene Krupa, Billy Cobham, Vinnie is easy to discern. The harder ones are the workman-like guys such as Ricky Lawson, the Rolling Stones guy, Hal Blaine fits into that category I think, Jim Gordon.
OK, nuff for now. Rock on you can-meisters, a crew is only as good as its drummer.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 08:25:43 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"Stewart’s intentions were as follows: he's adding some levity to the giant rock tour thing. He was showing his close fans (who read his website), that he and his bandmates are indeed human, and that occasionally, a less than perfect show comes along (especially early in the massive tour)."
And you know this because...........................?
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 07:15:03 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Swampfuck, GA
You drum-heads are driving me nuts! If drummers have a distict "groove" whatever that is and so on then why is Wendell the drummer of choice on Gaucho? And why do drummers have trouble keeping time? Why click tracks, etc. if they are so freakin good? Isn't keeping time their main job? I don't get it and I don't even get the lingo of what seperates one from another. Are you telling me you could tell who a drummer is just from their "style" the same as a tenor sax player? I don't believe it.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 07:08:43 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Bullgoose here.
Just running with the Vinnie thing:
Tal Wilkenfeld is worth checking out. She's an Aussie bass player, 21, now a US resident, with serious playing and composing chops. She's all over the odd time stuff. The thing is, she just did an Australian tour with Chick Corea and played in Sydney with her trio featuring Vinnie on drums. Son of Bullgoose caught the gig and pronounced it a damn good thing.
Anyway, she's got this CD out, (transformations) and Vinnie does some of the liner notes. Wayne Krantz plays guitar. I'm listening to the CD very impressed with the drumming and assuming it's Vinnie.
But no, it's not. It's Keith Carlock doing Vinnie, and doing it very well.
And so she's worth checking out on the strength of the Dan connections.
Ain't it swell that this big US tour is honing the steely edge ready to cut loose in Australia?
I'm still up to do a Brisbane danfest.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 03:49:42 ET
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Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 02:30:04 ET
Posted by: inquiring on Vinnie,
Josey -
Thank you very much for the suggestions. I tend to enjoy music when it's recommended by folks who listen.
Three Quartets is a desert island disc for me because of Brecker, Gadd and Gomez. Four distinct musical personalities, great compositions, and great playing. I just threw out the Aja and 50 Ways for Gadd as things everyone tends to know.
Holdsworth, I used to have those. Stolen by an old roommate, so good opportunity to rediscover.
Thanks again.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 02:12:21 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Regarding Breithaupt's book, it is a successful attempt to reach readers at both the non-musician (such as myself) and musician levels. While there is much of interest for the former, I suspect that for the musically trained it is of much greater value. For the rest of us, there is the motivation to learn, with the proviso that "you get out of it what you put into it". It has this in common with another book I am working on, The Road to Reality by Roger Penrose; I am sort of stalled out at page 100 or so.
GW
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 01:17:55 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
DRUMMERS??
AND WHAT ABOUT BRIAN BLADE.
HE DID SOME GREAT WORK WITH JOSHUA REDMAN AND ... yes with Sam yahel.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 01:03:20 ET
Posted by: seth2112, cleveland, via tampa and nyc
Setlist and notes from the toledo zoo:
the alamo meets the hollywood bowl in stage set up and design. band entered from a random doorway at the rear of the stage, strange watching this line of people walk out of a door instead of the traditional stage right/left:
Intro
Time out of mind
(2 zoo keepers run out on stage with a flashlight and a hook looking for "stray animals" - hysterical!)
Bad sneakers
2vn
Janie runaway
Hey 19
(WB - who has put on quite a few pounds with a fresh new short short hair cut-mentions "this is the first ZOO they ever played, though they have played for anmals before!" - hysterical
Haitian divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
(an ape walks out on stage during the band intros and harrasses each musician, wb inroduces carlock as KING KONG on the drums. the ape siedles up to fagen and taps the key boards for a diddy) - hysterical
Aja
FM
Kid C
encore
dirty work
rain kept set list shoort, i guess. no bodi, PL, emg or BC.
what was the shortest set to date on the tour was what made up in zoo hysterics!
more zoo hijinx - to get a beer:
1. stand in line to get a wrist band
2. stand in line to buy tickets for said beer/wine/margarita
3. stnad in line to be served said adult beverage
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:48:28 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, leftoftheRioGrande
re: Copeland Blog. Articles are typical E! rabblerousing. Out of context. Copeland's blog is hilarious! Very tongue in cheek:
http://www.stewartcopeland.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2809
Quote:
“Whenever you’re ready Mr. Copeland” says Charlie, the production manager, as two crew members hold aside the giant gong, creating just enough space for me to slither onto my percussion stage, which is still down in its pit. I leap on board but my foot catches something and I sprawl into the arena in a jumble as the little stage starts to rise into view. Never mind. The audience is screaming with anticipation as I collect myself in the dark and start to warm, up the gong with a few gentle taps. But I’m overdoing it. It’s resonating and reaching it’s crescendo before the stage has fully reached its position. Sort of like a premature ejaculation. There’s nothing for it so I take a big swing for the big hit. Problem is, I’m just fractionally too far away and the beater misses the sweet spot and the big pompous opening to the show is a damp squib. Never mind.
I stride manfully to my drums. Andy has started the opening guitar riff to MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE and the crowd is going nuts. Problem is, I missed hearing him start. Is he on the first time around or the second? I look over at Sting and he’s not much help, his cue is me – and I’m lost. Never mind. “Crack!” on the snare and I’m in, so Sting starts singing. Problem is, he heard my crack as two in the bar, but it was actually four – so we are half a bar out of sync with each other. Andy is in Idaho.
Well we are professionals so we soon get sorted, but the groove is eluding us. We crash through MESSAGE and then go strait into SYNCHRONICITY. But there is just something wrong. We just can’t get on the good foot. We shamble through the song and hit the big ending. Last night Sting did a big leap for the cut-off hit, and he makes the same move tonight, but he gets the footwork just a little bit wrong and doesn’t quite achieve lift-off. The mighty Sting momentarily looks like a petulant pansy instead of the god of rock. Never Mind. Next song is going to be great…"
IMO Carlock has a groove the Donald digs, but it's only live or on Morph or the TvN title track that he sounds comfortable. He doesn't have the soul groove where he fills and sets the beat in a comfort zone like Porcaro and Purdie or Jim Gordon on Pretzel.
In the context of the drummer, it's important to remember, it's the interaction between bass and drums that counts. who's at the Bottom? Chuck Rainey is the MVP of 70s Dan. Listen to Home at Last with Purdie or the outtake for Your Gold Teeth II with Porcaro. Let the musicians communicate with each other!
Although Pete Erskine wasn't the first choice of the '93 tour, listen to his "communication" with Bernhardt on AiA during the instrumental breaks of Book of Liars and Green Earrings. Now THAT'S music!
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:46:39 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the man,
Josey- thanks for the props. Ok, maybe I exaggerated a bit with Dennis, but you did get what I meant.
Anyways, excellent post below for Mr Inquiring about Vinnie. For anyone wondering, just head on over to YouTube and you can find tons of videos of Vinnie. The studio video of Seven Days is there, as is a live performance with Vinnie (there is one with Manu Katche on drums- I think that's just plain embarrasing ;)). There's also clips of him killing with his band Karizma, and some of the meanest jazz with CHick Corea. The guy just let's everything pour from his soul- it's so intense it's ridiculous. Just because he has the chops like NO ONE else to express his feelings doesn't mean he isn't tasty.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:44:54 ET
Posted by: I've been around the world, I've been in the Toledo Zoo!
Nice show tonight at the Toledo Zoo. Same set list as Detroit from what I read. (one encore, My Old School was the big change)
It rained most of the show so that kind of sucked. The PA at this venue was pretty much no existent. Someone came out on stage in a gorilla outfit during the band intro.'s.
Gorilla = Zoo, get it?
Mookspank- Vinny Caulata (sp) was the drummer that they originally wanted in 1993. He was on tour with Sting and couldn't do it. Same in 1994. I didn't read that anywhere, but I got that info from a fairly reliable source.
[ Please note: There was a system glitch and there may or may not be missing posts at this point. Please let me know if your's should be here but is missing. Jim McKay aka hoops. ]
Date: Wed, June 6, 2007, Just after Midnight, ET
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Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:17:25 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Inquiring Vinnie - Yeah, he's the guy that Steve Vai tells the story about eating the sushi while sight reading a complex Zappa chart.
"Off the top of your head, what has Vinnie done that we would have heard, that is remarkable, brought a level of taste beyond the norm." First thing that would come to mind in the world of pop/rock music would be Sting's "Seven Days". From the jazzier side the first few things that pop into *my* mind would be the first track off of an Alan Holdsworth cd called SECRETS...think the track is called "City Nights". Check it out. When you hear a drummer referring to "the Vinnie stuff" - THAT'S what they're talking about. John Patitucci tune called "Space Ships"...more of that same Vinnie stuff. Next thing that would pop into my mind would be a track from Chick Corea's Akoustic Trio LIVE IN TOKYO and a track called "Tumba". It's also very sick! A lot of drummers would site the entire JOE'S GARAGE from Zappa. I guess it depends on what he's done that one personally likes. There's so much to choose from and different drummers have their different faves. The main thing that sets him apart, to me anyway, is he has such an identifiable style that is so uniquely his. You don't hear anyone copying his style probably because of the difficulty involved. Not an easy thing for a drummer to develop. Keith Carlock would be a good example of that. Not that he's doing anything nearly on the level of complexity that Vinnie can do, but he's got a very unique and identifiable sound.
You mentioned Gadd and the obvious being "Aja" and "50 Ways". My favorite Gadd thing that really made a song go "beyond the norm" is Paul Simon's "Late In The Evening". For the jazzier stuff it would be Chick Corea's THREE QUARTETS. Again, just depends on what you like in music.
Anywho, I imagine all of the non-drummers here on The Blue have had about all the fun they can stand with this drummer stuff.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:07:35 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, you're wrong again
Lonnie ~~
Lawson was the first choice for 1993. Walter Becker said as much in an interview. I will look for it around the web if I have the time, which I probably don't. Check it out and learn.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:03:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
“Milo - Hal Blaine was the SD drummer on
"Any World (that I'm welcome to). He also
played on many, many of the Beach Boys
hit tracks.”
Right you are Mark in Boston! But you forgot,
“One hell of a nice guy, who can still wear a
Members Only jacket and somehow not look creepy”.
Next time you are listening to “Pet Sounds”,
REALLY listen to, “Let’s Go Away For A While”.
And let’s not forget the great Wrecking Crew
bassist, Carol Kaye. Man those photos of her
sitting in Gold Star with those mini skits, white
go-go boots and a Fender. Holy Toledo!
Speaking of, how about an update.
Date: Wed, June 06, 2007, 00:00:30 ET
Posted by: Drummer Hoff,
Must weigh in on the drummer debate. I saw Copeland in concert with Oysterhead - best drummer I ever saw live bar none. I also think Carlock is great, best SD drummer that they have toured with (better touch/nuance than Chambers/Lawson. Copeland to me is in a different league. If you close your eyes, it sounds like at least 2, maybe 3 people are drumming - he's that fast and intricate, just a huge, complex sound.
Vinny sounds great live with Hancock/East and Loueke
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 23:55:58 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Mr. Moonspank ~~
I suggest you review the Brian Sweet book and the interview Fagen did in jazziz mag. back in 19 and 93. Lawson was not the first choice. If so, then why was Chambers the guy in 1994?? Check it out and learn.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 23:22:15 ET
Posted by: wormt, nola
Don Breithaupt's Aja book is the real deal
a nice development of the Dan Canon
with many musical examples of what sets the dan off from many other artists
well written, excellent word play and even a nod to Ole's Fever Dreams. He even interviewed Fagen last year and inserts elements in the proceedings
nice read
I'm also enjoying the first of his 70's books with brother Jeff
Precious and Few - Pop Music in the Early Seventies
nice romp down A.M. lane
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 22:58:03 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Where The Fog Rolls In Tonight
One of my favorite drummers is/was
Barrett Deems –
Born: March 1, 1914 in Springfield, Illinois
Died: September 15, 1998 in Chicago, Illinois
He was known as "The World's Fastest Drummer"
and was one of the few “whites” hired by Louie
Armstrong who called him, “Kid”. He can
be seen in the film “High Society”. I met
Barrett when I bartended at the famous Chicago
“Green Mill”, that was once owned by Al Capone.
And I cherish the fact that he considered me a
friend. The Steely Dan connection? Well,
Barrett plays drums on the classic 1961 Jack
Teagarden album, “Mis’ry And The Blues”.
Which obviously made quite an impression
on a young, Donald Fagen.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 22:45:37 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, ,
Milo - Hal Blaine was the SD drummer on "Any World (that I'm welcome to). He also played on many, many of the Beach Boys hit tracks.
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 22:12:30 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, nnnyyyccc
Great seats (front center orch) available for upcoming Beacon gigs via ticketmasterslavemaster.
And yes Roger Waters was amazing, again. Sheep and On The Run were worth the price of admission. Great sound-great visuals-great-great-great. Only a few more dates left-Canada and West coast mostly....www.rogerwaters.com GO -- Go Now!!
And yes Keith C plays the bajeezits out of AJA this tour...hats off to him. And that energy was there after a ton of prime cuts, not early on in the set.
Can't wait till he lets loose on Dr. Wu next week.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 21:03:48 ET
Posted by: Rock Historian, .
Rajah,
Murder by Numbers was/is the closing track on Synchronicity. That was my first police album, came out when I was a high school freshman. I felt it had too much filler.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 21:02:34 ET
Posted by: inquiring on Vinnie,
I'll go check out the link, but my point is:
Off the top of your head, what has Vinnie done that we would have heard, that is remarkable, brought a level of taste beyond the norm.
What specific song does everyone talk about Vinnie for?
Gadd we have Aja and 50 Ways and on and on. Blaine created the feel of an era or two.
What is the one thing everyone talks about Vinnie for? Is he the guy who ate sushi while sight-reading for Zappa at his audition? I don't care about resumes. What are the special contributions?
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 20:52:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yah, J, I'm certain we've bored everyone to tears in our praise of maestro Sanchez but when the Spousal Unit saw Metheny at Universal a coupla years ago and he played 2+ hours with no intermission, I just couldn't tear myself away for a pee-break for fear of missing something Sanchez would do. Oh my, this is the guy for the Steely Dan jazz quartet to come with Jay Leonhart on bass, Walter and Donald. Talk about a judicious use of "space." And what a command of dynamics, he is one cat who is in total control. The anti-Stewart Copeland.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 20:40:54 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rajah - re: Antonio Sanchez - he's a damn freak!! In the complimentary sense of the word of course. Metheny thinks he's the best drummer of his generation. He's incredible! One of those guys who's taking the art to the next level. I think he's one of the best of the best. Having said that, he's probably not in my personal top five faves. Having said *THAT*, he IS the drummer for Pat Metheny!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 20:31:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
We have that on tape. Katie Couric looks really stiff. I'm in chat if anyone's up for a gab.
Fife
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 20:27:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They didn't do GMA, they did the Today show.
The thing that Blaine and Vinnie have in common is that they played with everybody - the legendary, the great, the good, the woefully incompetent and the absolute fakers. The Monkees and The 1910 Fruitgum Company for Blaine and Hilary Duff and Lindsey Lohan(I'm gonna hurl)for Vinnie.
What Vinnie does in the choruses of Negative Girl on the ride and the rattlesnake 64th notes, am I counting correctly, on the hi hat earlier on have not ceased to thrill in 7-plus years. Actually, there aren't many players on Negative Girl, just V-Jock, Barney(who also gives a great reading), Ted Baker on Rhodes, Dean Parks on guitar with someone else, a vibraphonist, Donald and the girls on pipes. This is the song I'd prefer to hear even over Dr. Wu. More heresy, get out the strappado and the rack.
Who mentioned Antonio Sanchez? JJ, what do we think of Pat Metheny's latest can-whacker? How good is this guy?
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 20:06:46 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Hal Blaine it is! Vinnie may never close on that many tracks...and then again, he might. Vinnie's still relatively young. Hal Blaine, prolific though he is, ain't a pimple on an elephant's ass in terms of talent compared to Vinnie. But that's just me.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:59:39 ET
Posted by: Hal Blaine biography, 35,000 recorded tracks
WOW
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:57:40 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, FL Room
quick...
on what date in 2000 did Steely Dan appear on Good Morning America?
???
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:47:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
...and the last I heard, Blaine was stillalive and living in Palm Springs.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:30:42 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Ever hear of a cat named Hal Blaine? He played on more than 8,000 different tracks for hundreds and hundreds of different musicians.
Part of the "Wrecking Crew". I don't think EVEN the great Vinnie
can close to those numbers.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:22:28 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Now, anyone who does check out Vinnie's discography, please tell me: what other drummer has recorded THAT MUCH?? He's one of the only drummers, if not THE ONLY, with that kind of job security! He'll work as long as he wants to work.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:18:47 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Inquiring about Vinnie - follow this link and check it out for yourself. As you're going to see (assuming you do follow the link), there's just WAY TOO damned much to start naming. Best of luck!
http://www.vinniecolaiuta.com/discography.aspx
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:15:35 ET
Posted by: From the left coast, Thanks GM
It will be our last night in town.Thought it would be a great way to end it.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 19:11:14 ET
Posted by: inquiring on Vinnie,
No doubt Vinnie is a phenom, but what are his defining recordings/performances?
Gadd, Copeland, Rich, Bonham, Purdie, etc, have lots of defining recordings, and even more than that, can be easily identified in a few seconds for how they add to the music.
I've heard so much about Vinnie, loved him on Negative Girl, but have not really stumbled across him anywhere else that I know of (I don't listen to Sting or Zappa).
Where else do I look (no Sting please)?
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:54:08 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Vinnie Is The Man - I think you've nailed it, amigo! The only part of your post I'd disagree with is that Dennis "totally blew" with SD. I've posted here before, several times, that I thought Dennis was an odd fit for SD, but "totally blew"....can't go with that. But I understand where yer coming from.
There's just nobody else on this planet that can play the shit Vinnie plays - period. And it's not just *what* he's playing, but where it is in the tune he decides to put things. His sense of time is completely from another planet. I guess ya either get it or ya don't. For those that don't...whatever. There's no other drummer around where so many other drummers have their "favorite Vinnie moments"! He's THAT much of a badass. To label him great, and put the word "great" in quotation marks, as done earlier, shows a complete lack of understanding on what it is he does. That motherfucker's beyond great!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:53:20 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Doc, I sent you an email, too.
left coast, as far as I know Carlock and Krantz will be at 55 Bar both those nights, he also has it listed on his MySpace page and that's always been accurate. Carlock is also doing a double drummer gig with Anton Fig for Oz Noy at Bitter End on the 25th, woohoo! Last time I saw those boys play they blew my mind to pieces.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:44:33 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Sprinkling chicken water
Rajah--What does it for me in general is the keyboard part. :-D
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:41:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Vinnie brings his own creativity to every tune he does. Inventive as all get out.
Chambers works much better in the jazz idiom.
Ricky Lawson was a little...safe, reliable but safe.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:22:49 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the man,
O, and Dennis Chambers blew with SD. His style TOTALLY doesn't fit, and neither does his drum sound. He butchers the grooves on Alive in America. I mean just listen to Babylon Sisters. What the hell is that? How about instead of playing 3450923 ghost notes on the snare, get your right hand a tad more active and lay down the Purdie shuffle. Incredible drummer, but does not fit with Steely.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:19:52 ET
Posted by: Vinnie is the man,
Whoever was bashing Vinnie, you're an effin idiot. Go listen to Negative Girl- one of the tastiest drum tracks of the Dan catalogue, and I would say the hardest drum part to play.
Sting with Vinnie sucked? Seven Days is hailed all over the drum and music world. His part on that blows my mind- musical, tasty, and hard as fuck.
Get a clue.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:18:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'll buy that, Lisa, Copeland says he has a complicated sense of rhythm and decoration and if he doesn't hear it, he fills it, something Carlock is probably not allowed to do too much. With only three players in the Police there is a hell of a lot more space available than 10 or 13 instruments. Copeland is a wild man, all over the map on quite a few of those Police numbers. It was reggae-punk, it suited that style well, I thought. I get the sense what Carlock does on 2vN is more, shall we say, pre-planned out by Don and Walt. What makes what Keith does on 2vN work for me are the handclaps which do add to its texture, as I understand that term, as the structure of the interwoven strands of rhythm.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 18:02:42 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Soaking the timber
Doc-check your e-. Hope that addy works. If not, and the Feds come to your door, I'll deny I sent you anything. :-P
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:57:31 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Across the lobby
Rajah--I'm talking about the creative drum textures. :-D
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:53:10 ET
Posted by: Dave From Acquisitions, Boston
I think Murder By Numbers was the B side to The Police's Every Breath You Take.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:49:37 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Respective hidey-hole
Hi Doc--I used to have Ed's email on my other computer. Let me see if I still have his business card. It is most likely on there. I think I still owe him a picture of the JB fest in '03. Ut-oh. Be back in a bit...
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:41:02 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Rajah, Walter danced during TVN in Boston. Well, "danced" probably isn't the right word for it, but he grooved with both his feet. It was the most I had ever seen him move.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:13:40 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, nope
<<< You do realize that Dennis Chambers was the first choice of the Dan in 1993 and they only went with Peter Erskine (a good fit) because Chambers had a scheduling conflict. >>>
Your whole post is completely wrong. It was Lawson that was considered for the 1993 tour. Not Chambers.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:10:50 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, holding the license plates...
...I'm looking for Ed Beatty...can anyone get me an email address for him....I would be most appreciative....
thanks!!
Doc
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:10:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah, and since you mentioned it
Lonnie, I take it you are limiting that to the New testament Steely Dan.
Lisa, I have not heard of Murder by Numbers in years, used to love that tune. It was a B side to something, written by Sting and Andy Summers, wasn't it, never made it to an album. I can see why it reminds you, thematically, of 2vN, not so much the construction of it:
Once that youve decided on a killing
First you make a stone of your heart
And if you find that your hands are still willing
Then you can turn a murder into art
There really isnt any need for bloodshed
You just do it with a little more finesse
If you can slip a tablet into someones coffee
Then it avoids an awful lot of mess
Its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Now if you have a taste for this experience
And youre flushed with your very first success
Then you must try a twosome or a threesome
And youll find your conscience bothers you much less
Because murder is like anything you take to
Its a habit-forming need for more and more
You can bump off every member of your family
And anybody else you find a bore
Because its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In historys great dark hall of fame
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name
But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land
For murder is the sport of the elected
And you dont need to lift a finger of your hand
Because its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your a, b, c, d, e
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:03:24 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Mr. Moonspank ~~
You do realize that Dennis Chambers was the first choice of the Dan in 1993 and they only went with Peter Erskine (a good fit) because Chambers had a scheduling conflict. His stint in 1994 would have been a holdover from 1993 had they gotten him as first desired. I agree with most here that Carlock is a great fit for the Dan -- this is why he is the ONLY drummer to play on all tracks on one album (EMG). In my humble view. Erskine was the next best fit, closely followed by Ricky "the rock" Lawson and then Chambers.
Keep it real. Lonnie will be with the band in Lucca!
Lonnie
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:03:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah ,
Yeah, when i first heard Negative Girl I thought it was a quantum leap from anything on Gaucho. Boom, they were all grown up fer shur.
Vinnie couldn't suck if he tried. The Police songs belong to Copeland as drummer, or did anyway, so I can understand people who'd prefer him in that setting. But there is nobody out there who can cover as many genres and styles as Vinnie. If he was a ballplayer you'd say he has all the tools. Mallets? Vinnie wouldn't be caught dead with a tympani, kettledrum, gong or cowbell.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 17:00:51 ET
Posted by: LisaG, In 18A
Call me crazy but...I've ALWAYS heard the intro to "Murder By Numbers" in my head whenever I'm listening to "TvN," the track. Rims and a little more tempo, but...I'm certain Copeland could play the snot out of that. Maybe the Police would cover it. Sting would go to town on it, too.
I also think Copeland would kick ass on "Aja." He has this unique ability to use percussion as color, texture, and pitch. He's quite the painter. When you're in a trio, you have space to work with, and he and Sting created some of the most amazing riffs.
I had given up on seeing the Police until I scored tix for Novemeber at Trump's Boardwalk Hall. Another good thing that came out of the Borgata concert was the fact that I saw tix go on sale the same day as SD played. It must be fate. If I waited another day, the tickets would be out of my price range.
Never was a fan of Dave Weckl. I always thought he over-played as if he was trying to recreate on his drums what his hairdresser did to his head. Current favorite wunderkind drummer: Antonio Sanchez.
Wormy--glad to hear you got through the aftermath of the storm.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 16:10:32 ET
Posted by: Thank you , Gig central
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 16:06:53 ET
Posted by: Gig Info Central, .
According to this,
http://www.keithcarlock.com/news.htm
He's playing with Krantz on June 14 & 21.
However,
Krantz advises not to trust anything that's not on his own site, and so far there's nothing listed for June gigs.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 16:03:59 ET
Posted by: left coast, left coast
Flying from the west to the east to catch the beacon shows.Never been to NYC.I read somewhere that KC is playing at the 55 bar june 14.anyone know for sure? I would sure like to go.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:41:48 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola la la ... portsmouth friday
the summer concert event is the Police, bar none
I'll see them in NOLA 6/30 (my 13 yr old son's first concert!)
we splurged on a bestbuy auction
(the money for flights, car and hotel went into the home gig tics)
I'll see the Dan three times this summer
couldn't get enough even with the limited setlist
other tours I only did one show Raliegh 00 Albuqueque 03
still kicking myself that I was recovering from Katrina in H town and didn't make the Fagen tour (Maxine live damn!)
I had my family to look after
Copeland succeeded with less is more and his adrenaline and syncopation / stutter enthusiasm made the Police what they are
not to mention he is just fabulously cool
(sting tries to be what comes natural to Stu)
Carlock is great - the boys just have him on an extra short time keeping chain. Bring back Purdie and Rainey and I'd pay Police type bucks to see that! and give them a fat paycheck while you are at it!
~ ~ ~ ~
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:35:45 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I didn't realize "sexy" had gone out of style.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:30:27 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, I Heart the Drummer Headquarters
Seems like there's plenty o'tickets left for the Beacon Theater shows next week! Ticketmaster opened up the orchestra some more and there's some good seats to be had! AND Ticketmaster is also giving away two free iTunes when you purchase, nice.
You haven't experienced the real Carlock until you've seen him at 55 Bar. He's a fucking animal and he's bringin' sexy back.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:23:51 ET
Posted by: My $.02, .
I believe Carlock has said he did have a whack at Negative Girl during the tVn sessions. Now I'm no drumming expert or know anything about music, but the intro to Negative Girl has always been all the proof I need as to how much better 2vN is than EMG. I agree with the praise written below for Vinny's drumming on it.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:10:32 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I mean, anyone who's studied the history of Vinnie Colaiuta and read other musicians comments about him knows damn well that he's the ONE GUY who's never going to be lost. If playing mallets is your thing, then that's different I guess.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:07:24 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
Bettertimes - Your separated at birth listing are right on. have to agree.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 15:03:04 ET
Posted by: cj, year of locust
Josey that what im saying about being blinded. Too easy for him. naturual.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:59:34 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Greg - you must be talking about a different Vinnie. He's not the most in demand drummer on the planet because he has no touch. From Frank Zappa to Faith Hill and damn near everyone in between. I saw him 4 or 5 times with Sting and to these ears, it never sucked. I never recall having heard them do Synch II. Anyways, funny how everyone hears things so radically different.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:58:49 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
GREG MOONSPANK - You are right about Copeland!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:55:21 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I think Weckl would go nuts under the restraints the drum chair with the Dan demand. He'd be bored out of his ever living mind! I say that based on having heard his explanation for starting his own band.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:54:22 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
<<What would be interesting would be Vinnie with The Police>>
It would not be THE POLICE. It would be Sting + Vinnie, which we have seen. And it sucked.
OK, Stings studio stuff with Vinnie was decent, but when Sting played those Police songs live with Vinnie on drums it STUNK TO HIGH HEAVEN.
Vinnie, the "great" player everyone says he was, just bashed away loudly and obnoxiously. Synchronicity II is a perfect example: too loud, to many cymbals. No touch.
Simply, Copeland puts Vinnie to bed on the Police songs.
Plus, Copeland is a master percussionist who plays mallets and all kinds of stuff on stage. Vinnie would be LOST.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:38:54 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I saw Roger Waters for the third time last Fall. I agree, Roger Waters is the s@#t! Dogs, enough said!
Stewart Copeland never took a solo? What? Go see him with Oysterhead. It is the Stewart Copeland show! Oh yah, one of the worlds best Bass players is in the band. Trey from Phish is a master on the guitar as well. Great show!
Jim Pugh looks like Bill Walton! Freddie Washington looks like a young Luther Vandross! Jeff Young looks like Don Cheadle! Tell me I'm wrong?
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:38:18 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Gene Krupa - now that *would* be a helluva band!!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:33:14 ET
Posted by: cj, monkey women
First off beside the Dan, Roger Waters is the show of the summer. The sound is unbelievabe musically and the sonics are top with surround speakers everywhere. Also his background singers blow i mean blow away SDans girls. Oh RICHARD DAVE WECKEL could play SD BLINDFOLDED and be the best...
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:31:52 ET
Posted by: Gene Krupa,
What would be interesting would be Vinnie with The Police.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:20:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Actually there are some similarities in Copeland and Carlock's respective styles. They both love lots of rimshot stuff, peppering in grace notes, both play with a lot of bravado, both big hitters. Copeland's time in the live setting has always been questionable, hence the donneybrooks of old with derr Schtingle.
Neither can touch Vinnie, just listen to Negative Girl. What a touch, he plays in character with the song, he's constantly making intelligent choices. That stuff in the intro on the, I think I hear the ride cymbal, transports the listener to an eerie sci-fi fantasy world. When he lays down his left across the snare and discretely snaps down on the backbeat while floating around on top with the right, it's, well, you get a sense of how very refined a player he is, restrained, serving the song and yet how white-hot it all is when your ear steps back from him and gathers in the totality of the piece.
It would be interesting to hear Carlock's reading of that gem of a tune.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:17:53 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Stewart Copeland's also one of the most influential drummers that never took a solo.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:09:13 ET
Posted by: seth2112, cleveland, via nyc and tampa fl
heading out to toledo from cleveland. it still kills me the boyz are playing at the toledo zoo, i mean a zoo!
hoping for EMG tonight, it was omitted last night in detroit.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 14:01:37 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
EDDIE- If you are going to rip on The Police you know nothing about music! Put your Steely Dan bias aside and realize it has been 23 years since The Police have toured when nobody thought it would ever happen. Stewart Copeland is one of the most recognized and influential drummers ever with a distinctive sound that is only his own. If you deny that then you are a fool. There is more intrigue. They were only one of the biggest and most influential bands to dominate the Eighties. I love Steely Dan but they tour and toured last Summer. It is pretty much the same old setlist. Now, if the original Steely Dan with Dias, Baxter, Etc.. got back together, Danheads would shit! Well, here is one of the best 3 man bands ever and you discard them as if they suck. I know someone who went to one of the Vancouver shows and said it was fucking unbelievable! They have only SOLD OUT just about every show because they are no good and people think the show will blow. Get a CLUE! Stewart Copeland another drummer who will run circles around your boy Carlock.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 13:45:09 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Hey EDDIE , you LOSER! I am not ripping anyone off. It cost 2.90 a shirt to list. Then there is Final Value Fees and Paypal Fees. If it doesn't sell the first time through then another 2.90 to relist. If you do the math I am not making anything. Oh, maybe 5.00. If you can't pay a fellow fan 5.00 for hooking you up and doing the dirty work of carrying the son of a bitch and hauling it home and packing it up and sending to your fucking doorstep, then F@#K YOU! You act like I am profiteering and killing people.
Whatever, your just sour because of the million ways there is to get tickets and you couldn't get them. I have over 10 emails of thanks and happy customers who have thanked me for the Steely Dan tickets I have hooked them up with at a great price. You really are sad and pathetic with your high school dan club attitude. Please comment on the Keith Carlock opinion? The bottom line is anyone who plays or played with Steely is the shit otherwise they wouldn't be with Steely. It is all preference, Keith is good, I think Dennis Chambers can play circles around him! The best drummers Steely has ever had are Jeff Porcaro/Steve Gadd.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 13:35:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I admired his honesty, when things start to go wrong sometimes they just keep going wrong. I guess the 20 year layoff from playing those monstrous Police opii doesn't help either. But it is sort of unforgiveable, well, certainly if you're Sting, petulant pansy, he would've clocked Copeland for all that in the old days. Specially since Sting presents himself like God's shimmering gift to badass rock and punk and roll. Posturing, posing, puffing up like a blowfish, leaping around like a Morris dancer.
The only big physical move Donald ever pulled was at the end of the Plush DVD where he's bringing it home and his specs go askew so he just knocks them off his face. That was cool. Walter never pulls anything, a few faces maybe. I like when he's got that high rehearsal stool up there and he leans his ass down on it. Man, you know you're old when you have to sit every now and then.
As many times as they've burped and staggered and blown a clam or two, Steely Dan to my recollection has never melted down like Copeland describes in that blogblurb. Donald might just retreat into a hermitage in the Highlands of Scotland if that ever happened. That's where humility and paranoia and abject fear of f'ing-up actually works in your favor.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 12:45:08 ET
Posted by: Eddie,
"Nasty Times"
Your comment "The Police is the show of the Summer, bar none!"
Another reason....stay the fuck away.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 12:43:37 ET
Posted by: Eddie,
"Better Times" I put your name in quotes because you are a real nightmare.
Back a couple of months ago, I got skunked on getting tickets. I inquired about buying tickets you had for sale.......it turns out you were scalping tickets big time to a number of shows. Aside from ripping off us Steely Bruthas and Sistas, I gathered you had the nerve to actually buy up tickets for scalping. More bad karma.
Now I go to see your t-shirts for sale and they are $55 total.
I could write off your assinine comments about Carlock off but we Danfans are glad to help others out getting tickets and merch. That you see us fellow fans as profit centers galls me.
The rest of us would gladly help each other get a shirt and/or a hat or a ticket without all the riggamaroe and rip-offs you have to offer.
Please stay the fuck away from us.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 12:33:21 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, Stewart v. Walter
Stewart’s intentions were as follows: he's adding some levity to the giant rock tour thing. He was showing his close fans (who read his website), that he and his bandmates are indeed human, and that occasionally, a less than perfect show comes along (especially early in the massive tour).
He was joking around writing about a few missed notes here and there, that he hit his gong wrong (as if anyone would notice), and that the mighty Sting failed to achieve proper lift off during a rock star leap. It seems perfectly clear that it was written all in good fun. And fans did appreciate his candor; the media didn’t.
I can see Walter writing something like that, and it being taken out of context by the media.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 12:22:51 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mmmm.
Having read both, I'm not sure in what way is has been "grossly misrepresented". I cannot, of course, know what was in SC's head and, therefore, what his intentions were when he wrote the piece. That, presumably, applies to everyone else here too.
Sounds like it was a shambles of a gig however you look at it and, at that level, utterly unforgiveable IMHO.
But then maybe I just expect too much from my "rock icons"? LOL
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 12:08:02 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN2247412520070601
...is a gross misrepresentation of what Stewart Copeland actualy wrote and intended on his message board.
http://www.stewartcopeland.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2809&sid=dc101dd51e598baf8105142a538111ca
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 11:59:11 ET
Posted by: Joe, Where I'm at
Setlist last night in Detroit
Intro
Time out of mind
Bad sneakers
2vn
Janie runaway
Hey 19
Haitian divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid C
Pretzel logic
Bodisat
Nice venue. Band was tight, my favorties from the show were Green Earrings and Dirty Work, gotta love the girls doing that one. I'm not going to be critical about any player or aspect of the show, it's enough for me to be there no matter what the set list may be, for I like every song they do. A marvel to behold, we should just enjoy every minute while we can. Peace!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 11:44:14 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Milo
I'm with as far as hoping The Boys will swing back through here in the fall. One show for me is not enough. Chumash was great but would like more.
Now the immature little boy in me feels like your friend but doesn't express it...well, maybe 3 times
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 11:34:40 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
It would seem that Stewart Copeland may disagree:
http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN2247412520070601
Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? LOL
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 11:13:13 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
>>The Police is the show of the Summer, bar none!<<
At this point for anyone West of the Mississippi, I'd have to agree.
That is why I'll be at the Staples Center on June 20th, in the 19th row!
Funny you should say, "This is starting to get hard over here in CA- green goblin taking over, really wish I was going to a show", adorable ghost. I was talking to another other California Dan Fan,
and he feels sooo slighted and ignored, that he has vowed to never see another Steely Dan show in his life. "Screw them!", he
says.
I'm taking a different tack, and hoping we still might get a few shows by the end of the tour. But I'm not counting on anything.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 11:01:30 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Jeff Porcaro, RIP.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:56:28 ET
Posted by: Raven Locale: , at the dump with the seagulls
Hey, whaddabout Danny Bonaduce. Did he sing too? hehe
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:53:12 ET
Posted by: Newark, Recycle Center
BetterTimes: thx and don't look at reviews for that upcoming show. It may contaminate you. Stay clean and keep em tight. UR a Great Detroit connection. zoom . . . . .
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:47:02 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Going to see The Police July 17, you are correct, Stewart Copeland rules! When the world is running down you make the best of what's still around. I can't wait to hear that live. The Police is the show of the Summer, bar none!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:44:10 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
GRAMMAR POLICE - You are correct, why listen to someone who can't spell.
Also, I am not down on Keith Carlock. I think he is great. It just seems like the drummers that have played with Steely since the 1993 tour, Erskine, Chambers, Lawson now get overlooked and here is how I would rate the drummers in my opinion. It is all about feel and I like the more driving rock sound than the laid back jazzy sound:
1) DENNIS CHAMBERS
2) RICKY LAWSON
3) KEITH CARLOCK
4) PETER ERSKINE
The 1994 tour was still the best player wise and setlist wise in my book. Kamakiriad/ 11 Tracks songs sprinkled in with the Dan tunes, goodnight! Does it get any better than Walter doing Book Of Liars? Last night's Haitian Divorce was right there with it! It ruled!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:36:54 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
Carlock can eat Chambers for breakfast.
Chambers rushes the hell out of everything. Anyone actually HEAR the bootlegs from the '94 tour? The selections choses for the 94 portion of AIA were versions where chambers didn't rush the band.
Chambers is a show-off; a hot dog. Steely used him for a single (short) tour because Chambers BLOWS. (we'll maybe not blows, but he's no KC).
Long live Stewart Copeland.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:14:22 ET
Posted by: KC's Publicist, .
Keith's weight gain is a result of his qutting smoking. Personally, I'd rather have a drummer who's a little pudgy with better stamina. Also, the extra belly fat helps block the view of all the fans sucking his D!#K.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:12:58 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Ringtones - I have all of Carlock's Josie solo from 03 as mine
No just joking - its Deacon Blues
Drummers - Chambers, Carlock, Lawson, Gadd, Marotta, Purdie etc - hell I am a big Carlock fan but also like Lawson's approach which is almost the complete opposite - the complete opposite of my mate who goes for Chambers every time - its just personal taste, feel etc.
If I had to choose one drummer to give the Dan a go it would be
?uestlove from The Roots - great drummer and great Afro - check out his my space site (its /questlove) and catch the BILAL and WPP track - I rekon that's Aja for the hip hop generation.
Let's not lose any sleep over it - lets just enjoy the shows
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:10:40 ET
Posted by: Newark Location: Raven's tree branch, Lower Slower DE
BT: N-E-Thin eLLsis? , townes? thx zoom
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 10:07:32 ET
Posted by: Grammar Police, .
Bettertimes,
If someone attacks your credibility and can't spell it correctly...
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 09:44:43 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
If anyone is interested, I bought one of each shirt in an XL at last nights show and put them up on Ebay just above cost to cover the Ebay listing fee/final value fee/Paypal fees.
My Ebay id is: Wheels0812
If you missed out here is your chance to get one. Thanks
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 09:34:10 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I was super tired last night, sorry about the error of reporting Chain Lightning instead of Pretzel Logic. As far as me having any credibility to BIG ADIOS, whatever? I am tired of people sucking Keith Carlocks D@#K! Yes, he is good but you act like he is the best drummer Steely Dan has ever had and guess what there clueless (BIG ADIOS), he is far from it! and god damn has he put on weight since last Summer.
Where the hell is Wayne Krantz and Dennis Chambers when you need them? Herrington is lame next to Krantz and Carlock is lame next to Chambers, just my opinion. Keith Carlock is so great he is now abandoning his solo in Josie!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 08:02:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, courthouse run
Yeah, and how many of us were looking to book flights to the Chicago gig last night with visions of Wu swirling in our heads?
Oh, AG, I have "FM" as a ring tone. But my kid figured out how to record songs as ring tones on her new Razr, so I may hand my lesser model to her and see what other one she can fix me up with! (At this point, that kid soooo owes me.)
I too enjoy living vicariously through everyone's show excitement! Very happy that the boys acrosss the pond will get their chance soon. But as Fast Eddy said, could the remaining Beacon dates have been any worse? Middle of the week. Damm.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 07:01:55 ET
Posted by: our man abu, detroit
Correction to bettertimes... Substitute "Pretzel Logic" for "Chain Lightning". Great show, eh?
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 04:10:51 ET
Posted by: adorable ghost, santa barbarian county
Denise- Any way you can email me those Chumash pics again?
Nice news on the shows! At least Walt keeps changin it up during his libido driven interludes,.... lovin it!
This is startin to get hard over here in CA- green goblin takin over, really wish I was going to a show....maybe, maybe, maybe- but my jealousy has not yet caused me to miss a day of reading the blue; I'm still mostly somewhat kind of glad of others enjoyment!
I know this is late, but I really think the 2003 shows were the best as far as set lists go(however, I do not have many to compare to)- two sets, a few semi-deep cuts ("Caves") and I still think about that transition from "Janie" to "Hey 19" and how nicely placed "Home at Last" was at the end of the 1st set- oh and coming back from intermission to "Steely Dan Show".....ah, the memories - and it was changed up from the fair shows in the beginning of the tour to Santa Barbara and then LA towards the end- I got a (slightly) different list each time.
Ok, this might be lame and/or juvenile but how many of you have SD ringtones? I can't imagine I am the only one- hope this has not been a discussion already.....Josie is my current one, my six year old loves to sing along to "eyes on fire" - oh and then there are the answer tones - I geeked out one day on my phone I guess....
OK! Come on guys, swing this way in the fall on the way back from down undah - don't leave us hangin over here on the left coast!
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 01:42:00 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Morphing too
Hi, Milo: Westbury played Tomorrow's Girls--one song difference, I think, by comparing the two lists here and now. They're on a party run. Takerezy. Bravo news. dun da dun dun da dun dunn dunnnnn, toodle dooooooooooo.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 01:40:47 ET
Posted by: BigAdios, Modern Drummer
Better Times said: "It seems like all Keith Carlock can do is just play variations on the same groove"
Any creditability that you have/had as either a Steely Dan fan or music aficionado is completely shot down the tubes with that comment. That's all I can say.
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 01:20:46 ET
Posted by: Ravin', Dark branch
Zup? Ever try typing in the dark? In Detroit, did they do "Don't Take Me Alive" or "Godwhacker?" Herington and Becker both play it so poetically correct, playing the slightest variation on the repeated line. Even if the line to an undiscerning ear hears otherwise, it's gotta be a bear to wrestle and make righteous. thx for posting evryone. Ravin'
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 01:10:09 ET
Posted by: hoops,
No "Dr Wu" this tour. Not even at the show that just ended near Detroit.
But it IS a nice thought.
Jim
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 00:28:29 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
Bettertimes- Janie Runaway was played at the jazzfest show in new orleans, LA early in the tour.
I saw the mentions tonight but can anyone confirm a dr. Wu on this tour? That's a heady claim as I can't recall them playing it on any tour to date. thx
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 00:18:04 ET
Posted by: Printed Lyrics, no Fagen, Noodle Shop
Pixeleen, in the middle, Fagen's "duet" with Carolyn "can we cut to the chase" etc.
Security Joan, when someone, or Fagen doubling his own voice sings "no name on your list".
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 00:11:49 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Just got back from the DETROIT show. AMAZING! No Dr. Wu, No Black Cow. All I have to say is "Two Against Nature" and "Janie Runaway", back to back! Walter on Haitian Divorce was the highlight for me. It seems like all Keith Carlock can do is just play variations on the same groove. He is great though. The setlist was the same as it has been, Time Out Of Mind, Bad Sneakers, Hey Nineteen( Walter with the story about a lady and her "Breast Buds", hilarious )Josie, Peg, Green Earrings, Aja, Kid Charlemagne, Dirty Work, FM, Babylon Sisters, Chain Lightning, Bodi. 16 songs, Killer!
Has Janie Runaway been played yet??
Date: Tues, June 05, 2007, 00:00:43 ET
Posted by: Unprinted Lyrics, Kizmar
QRSTUV: Such as the outro to Tomorrow's Girls??
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 23:41:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
He looked a lot like Che Guevara,
drove a diesel van
Kept his gun in quiet seclusion,
such a humble man
The only survivor of the National People's Gang
Panic in Detroit, I asked for an autograph
He wanted to stay home, I wish someone would phone
Panic in Detroit
I wish someone would phone
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 23:16:07 ET
Posted by: west of hollywood, wants wu
Wu IN DETROIT?
CAN YOU HEAR ME DOCTOR?
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 23:00:04 ET
Posted by: wormy, nola soon portsmouth
Dr Wu was played in Detroit?
my old hometown crowd
holy shit bat man! big news or royal scam
keep it in the setlist guys
Portsmouth on friday
Lisa enjoy NYC and the Beacon Show
Don's Aja book is killer
great prose - I'll quote a few snippets latter if okay with Don
excellent read - grab it at a bookstore near you or Amazon away
bookworm
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 22:25:39 ET
Posted by: Newark, Kitchen again
Wu? where? omg, Prince would be so jealous--history made in his town too! See you. haha hugs,
Answer for Venue 3 Game
Venue: Borgata Casino Event Center
City: Atlantic City
State: New Jersey
Date: March 10, 2006
http://212.178.99.195:8080/SteelyDanDatabase/releaseinfo.jsp?id=607#top
later
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 21:40:56 ET
Posted by: darden, detroit
finally they are playing dr. wu ----rock on.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 21:22:36 ET
Posted by: Newark, Kitchen
Hint: As far at I recollect, Brite Night Gown was unveiled at this show. What a flip out. The sound effects on the vocals were also used on vocal/horn recording for Morph. Great job.
Going to check Westbury setlist. If it was indeed the same as Tower in Upper Darby, sorry Milo, then there may be a tie for Venue (2) game. oh, to be alone in public--it's an awful thing. nwk
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 21:20:06 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Mr. Beerberian,
I will check out Cafe DANtesca -- I will be in Pisa July 28 and then in Lucca for the DAN show on that final nite of the Dan's Euro tour. Cannot wait!
Lonnie
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 19:20:19 ET
Posted by: Newark, ugh, sorry
RE:
Right: sorry, (ME) I meant you are probably right on the mark (pun intended) about the State Theater in New Brunswick. And Milo may be right on about Westbury. The fourth show, I believe was in Upper Darby. Road trip?!? Thx to Steely Doc for playing dogpile too.
Wrong: Ok, now, eel (me) may be correct about Westbury [sic, sic, sic]
And what about game three? Name the Venue (3). Gads, I thought I wouldn't get over it until the next show. OMG. Help! Too easy?
hugs, j & j
How about it J and J? You're too quiet.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 18:57:38 ET
Posted by: Newark, Porch swing
Glad you got to go hear/see DFB few times, Boston Rag--phenomenal huh? That was our first time to be in person w/ one of 'em. It's your birthday--what better way to celebrate? The DF Band did cause a sensation and you were part of it! Cool!
In your honor, BR, we here are making a State Fugue Elimination League (SFEL) donation, so research can cont. to help you identify the difference between your vicarious experiences from your reminisces (what?!?) from your . . . state fugue experiences collective or individual--from your fantasizing--what?!?
Ok, now, eel (me) may be correct about Westbury. Need follow up. And Milo, brave soul, you may be correct on the Dupe list happening and you were very close in dates and locations--congrats! but not exact enough. Sorry, and I'm ducking from corncobs and other compost filler. haha
However, the correct venue answer, as far as I understand is here:
http://cinematreasures.org/theater/52/
One more. Scroll down and guess the venue. May be error(s). Research is okay.
Name the Venue (3)
Same rules. Read over the set list and name that venue.
Hint: Posted by someone under "Links" on Banyontrees.net site.
Hint: at this venue, the ending chord on Goodbye Look was tripled like three swift stab wounds.
Hint: again, w/in last 15 months. This setlist requested by several folks on the blue and maybe not as well known and perhaps never posted here. We were too spellbound to write anything.
1. Green flower street
2. The nightfly
3. New frontier
4. Brite nitegown
5. Third world man
6. Home at last
7. H gang
8. What I do
9. The goodbye look
10. Countermoon
11. Misery and the blues
12. Mary shut the garden door
13. IGY
14. FM
15. Pretzel logic
16. Viva
There may be some margin of error. Name that venue! nwk.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 18:33:08 ET
Posted by: LisaG, At the Grotto
Love the WB Hey 19 transcripts. Nice that he's varying the story a little.
Boston Rag--Happy Birthday! How about a link to a picture of that cake? (Go Yanks! :-P)
Niagra folks--thanks for the set list. Color?
Motown--Have a blast!
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 17:50:43 ET
Posted by: QRS TUV, .
Which songs have vocals that are included in the printed lyrics that Fagen doesn't sing. Disregard songs that Fagen doesn't sing lead on.
Black Cow (they saw your face, you change your name)
Countermoon (you're not my Jackie)
...
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 17:42:49 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Sorry about that Hoops!
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 16:52:31 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Regarding the several ticket posts in the past few minutes. Please read the info near the top of the posting form page. I've discussed this with some you and you still persist.
If you gave NYC tickets send those to nyc@dandom.com; Chicago ticks? Use Chicago@dandom.com, and so forth. Even if you are rude enough to disregard what's above, keep in mind that first and formost, you will get much faster and better results. Selling here has the least results.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 16:28:38 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Yup. The Tower Fagen setlist is a dupe of Westbury.
Donald Fagen Band
North Fork Theatre at Westbury
Jericho, New York
March 3, 2006
1) Here At The Western World '06
2) The Nightfly
3) Green Flower Street
4) Teahouse On The Tracks
5) New Frontier
6) Third World Man
7) Home At Last
8) Band Intor’s
9) Snowbound
1) Intro
2) H Gang
3) What I Do
4) Black Cow
5) The Goodbye Look
6) Tomorrow's Girls
7) Misery and the Blues (Jack Teagarden)
8) Mary Shut The Garden Door
9) IGY
Encore:
10) Pretzel Logic
11) Viva Viva Rock and Roll (Chuck Berry)
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 16:21:22 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Newark - I was at the Chicago, Boston and Beacon shows for the MTC tour. He didn't play Snowbound at any of those venues. I'll go with the 2nd show which was at Westbury. That's my guess.
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 16:16:22 ET
Posted by: me, .
Steelydoc,
It wasn't the New Brunswick show. He played Black Friday, and neither Mary nor Mis'ry.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 15:22:18 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Leaving shortly to start heading to the show tonight! Can't wait! Looks like it is going to rain hard here in Detroit. Hoping for a killer setlist tonight. My predicition is a new song will be played. Will see??
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 14:19:52 ET
Posted by: Newark, AC, Efficiency kitchen
Hey Doc, I think we were sitting behind you at the Tower on May 24. Great weren't they? If that was you with your license plates, you are a hunkaburning love. Coolness, dude. Close, but no corn dog, man. Don't we want the Rag to play? hehe Don't hate me because I'm particular.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 14:17:58 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
Must be a "dupe" setlist night:
DONALD FAGEN BAND 2006
March 4TH 2006
TOWER THEATRE
69TH STREET
PHILADELPHIA, PA
Setlist:
CD1
1. Here At The Western World '06
2. The Nightfly
3. Green Flower Street
4. Teahouse On The Tracks
5. New Frontier
6. Third World Man
7. Home At Last
8. Band Intros
9. Snowbound
CD2
1. H Gang
2. What I Do
3. Black Cow
4. The Goodbye Look
5. Misery and the Blues (Jack Teagarden)
6. Mary Shut The Garden Door
7. IGY
8. Pretzel Logic
9. Viva Viva Rock and Roll (Chuck Berry)
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 14:14:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
..how about DF Band 06 at State Theater, New Brunswick NJ....3/1/06 I believe was the date....
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 14:11:17 ET
Posted by: Newark, AC
Milo: Good try, but wrong answer. nwk
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 14:06:38 ET
Posted by: Wanted: Not a spoiler, NJ
Wanted not a spoileer who is available or already-spoken-for monogamous, homo sapien pet lover with reasonably clean liens and/or arrest record who loves games and enjoys R & B, jazz, classical, funk, rock, techno, blues, folk, dark pop, country, alternative, disco, experimental, and bluegrass music and is old enough to be drafted or get married without permission or through arrangement. Hair optional. Most dysfunctions okay. Dormant or non-active diseases okay. All terminal diseases especially okay. Preferential treatment to disabled but any combination of any above okay. Must knows CPR and how to cook. Prefer non-alias types, parasite free, with decent credit rating--but not necessary. May be luddite, holy person, or tech geek, preferring friendly type with minimal cognitive dissonance, state fugue, cognitive overload, or sleeping disorders (and not mensing) and does not lose one's head or ass on a regular basis. Seeking to attend Steely Dan concert at the house of Wolf Trap, where hear/tell a pin drop can be heard at the back of the lawn over the sound of glasses clinking. June 7, 2007, 8 p.m.
Fife, stand by, please.
Signed, Abbie Normale
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 13:24:06 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
What is
DONALD FAGEN BAND 2006
March 4TH 2006
TOWER THEATRE
69TH STREET
PHILADELPHIA, PA??????????????????????????????????? Alex?
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 13:09:59 ET
Posted by: Newark, Atlantic City
A happy week for Boston Rag!!! Today is June 4. Happy birthday, dude, hope you are having a fantastic one! It'll be a week of celebrations for sure.
We met you and your posse in Boston area for the Aug. 19, 2006, Mansfield, MA, Danfest, (hey there Fez, Fezman, Connie, Pete, Margaret, Paul and all other super freaks and soccer moms) and we, the Poker and I, had a really terrific good time. Local grub was were great as was the hospitality! It was sort of rainey that day, and we had an excellent time in the parking lot and better time in the Tweeter Center where the bands really cooked--magnificent, were they not? Anyway. . .
We came up with a suitable surprise for such a cool guy to celebrate your birthday--any excuse for a party, right? [If you already have one, then let me know--it can be be exchanged. It cannot returned, however. hehe]
Here you are, Ragman--a game (have two games actually, but we'll start with this one). Now, please allow a slight margin for error, accuracy cannot be guaranteed, as we are relying on an unconfirmed info.
Guess the Venue (2)
We'll keep it easy.
Rules:
It's okay to research to find the answer.
You have 48 hrs. Starrrttting NOoooow!
Hint One: Happened between now and past 15 months.
Hint Two: Posted on the yellow.
Here's the setlist--Guess the venue________________.
Here at the western world
The nightfly
Green flower street
Teahouse on the tracks
New frontier
Third world man
Home at last
Snowbound
H gang
What I do
Black cow
The goodbye look
Misery and the blues
Mary shut the garden door
IGY
Pretzel logic
Viva
Go ahead and post three guesses. If you get it, then we'll double down for one more round.
hugs, j&j
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 09:47:51 ET
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Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 09:45:03 ET
Posted by: Steve, Rochester, NY
Seneca Niagara Casino, Niagara Falls, NY
June 2, 2007
Jeri (band only)
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORES
Bodhisattva
Carolyn (band only)
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 09:05:31 ET
Posted by: Why no set let from Niagra Falls, .
I speculate that Walter's Hey 19 banter was about going over the falls in a barrel after a few shots of Cuervo. The whole audience went out after the show and tried it.
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 07:24:50 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Well thank you very much my dear Beerberian.
That's a tip to take in consideration. I recall other Danfans that Steely dan will be in Lucca, Italy on july 28.
Lucca is about 12 miles from Pisa.
NIAGARA FALLS setlist ?? Was there a show over there?
Date: Mon, June 04, 2007, 04:17:56 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, UK Dandom
Just back from a few days in Italia - Pisa of the Tower that leans actually ...
must share with you a tale of kismet - Whilst out strolling the piazzas one dusky eve we took a wrong turn (no comments about women and map reading !!) an perchanced upon a discreetly tucked away little oasis called the Piazza Dante ... (getting an inkling yet?) around the periphery of this Palm strewn square were small number of eateries Pizzeria, Trattoria e Ristorante and in the middle of these was a neatly turned out, pavement table arrangement called the the Cafe Dantesca (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) We were drawn to it's quintessential Tuscan palette of sunflower yellow, burnt umber (wtf?) and terracotta linen drapery ... oh, and the meandering burble of jazz guitar that drifted from within Nice !!! The menu looked inviting ( and was very tasty we found out) But as we deliberated as to whether we should sit or not ... Then The Clincher ... The opening bars of "Hey Nineteen" burst forth AND it was done !!! The evening proceeded with a fine meal, a very nice little Chianti (fffffffffffffthh) and a soundtrack of Becker an' Fagen intercut with Jazz guitar instrumentals ... Bliss - sadly no Cuervo Gold to finish, but hey (19) twas a great time anyway... so if you are ever in Pisa, lean on over to the Cafe Dantesca and tell them Beers sent you
Cheers Beers
Date: Sunday, June 3, 2007, 00:00:00 ET
Happy Birthday, Boston Rag!
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Happy Birthday...and many more!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 23:07:04 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Be sure to check out the new rolling stone with Amy Winehouse on the cover. There are a couple of funny Steely Dan mini articles...
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 21:06:33 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, between innings
Denise & Gail - Thanks for the birthday wishes! My niece, who is something of a dessert artist, made me the most amazing Bday cake.
It looked like a black vinyl record and every Steely Dan mini LP cover was laminated on the outside of the cake. The top of the cake had the old ABC records orange rainbow logo with my name on the record label. It was too cool, didn't want to cut into it (but we did).
Just started reading Don Breithaupt's AJA 33 1/3 book. Very well done and nice to see he gives props to Pete Fogel in the Acknowlegements section. Don's Monkey House compilation from last year has a great version of Fagen's "Lazy Nina". It blows away the Greg Phillinganes version, IMHO.
Back to the Sox/Yankee game....
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 20:02:41 ET
Posted by: Me, .
Just saw the movie Knocked Up. Loudon Wainwright plays doctor. An after dinner conversation went something like this.
"The music industry has really changed. Steely Dan could never make it today."
"That's because Steely Dan gargles my balls."
And then several more lines about Steely Dan.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 19:30:57 ET
Posted by: Fawn Aqua, slingin' it
The Fall of '92
Last thing I remember/before it all went wrong
back in the Fall of 92
we were skipping rocks across the water/till the tourists were all gone
then I slipped into you sideways/right there on the beach in Malibu
there was nothing we woudn't do then/no place we wouldn't go
all in our fawn-and-aqua 733
so maybe you can tell me/how was I supposed to know
we'd be standing out here in the soup line/in this post-Bush post-Reagan post-cold war economy
now you do remember little Foxy/the funny little dog we found
out romping on the beach that day
last week i sold your ruby earrings/took old Foxy to the pound
you should've heard him howling/when that old beemer pulled away
(interlude)
(vibraphone solo)
(horn solo)
say, I wonder are you happy?/whatever you got up to now
out somewhere slingin' pussy I'd suppose
just standing out there on the pavement /as the weather would allow
another aging-would-be-starlet/cheap perfume, flashy clothes
cause it was you and me and little Foxy/that funny little dog we used to love
out romping on the beach all day
some nights I just lie awake and wonder/just what we were thinking of
when we were voting for all those bastards/who gave the whole damn store away
'cause it was all good times and sunshine/in the not too very long ago
at least as it applied to you and me
did we ever stand a chance, girl?
I guess we'll never know
thanks to George Bush and those Nazis
down in Washington, DC
DC....
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 19:28:49 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, hoo doo?
Jeezus, I dunno what happened to Quentin, but after I read that State Fugue epistle, I fell back to sleep and dreamed I was interviewing Peter Q!
Whoah! Bring on that White Rhino.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 19:21:15 ET
Posted by: Time Machine, , step upon the platform
What the heck happened to Quentin!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 18:48:31 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
What about the Niagara falls setlist !!!
rajah,i'm thinking to wear some great green earings in the front row in Brussels!!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 18:35:20 ET
Posted by: J.J. Putz, Seattle
DS- That's not the poster in question. The ad is for Yamaha keybords. DF is standing up over the "Yamaha" with his hands on the keys. The picture is taken through a window frame. Very cool.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 18:10:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Doc - what a thrill, hey, who says we're not getting the love. Maybe all you front-row folks should start thinking about dressing up as your favorite Steely Dan song.
Walter is so good in front of a crowd with his people-skills. Whodda thunk it?
Royal Scam was great on Y2K, a good study in how a composition can be repetitive but somehow not boring, it's just a big loop with a twist or two. The horns, yes, but it's a perfect example of what most great things Don & Walt do with infusing a song with tension. Tension-tension-tension. One of their main weapons after terror and surprise.
Dennis Chambers was great on Reelin in the Years on that very uneven AIA thing. Best attack on an intro I can recall on a live track. The whole intro with Donald meandering on Rhodes and then Dennis' bravado entrance still thrill. Seeing him up close with Mike Stern at the Catalina Club recently was a treat, he stayed in very tight to the body unlike the Steely Dan tour. So many great drummers, they are the very heart and soul of the rock idiom, so very under appreciated.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 18:01:58 ET
Posted by: DS, EP
And the link to that Fagen ad is on this page of Synergy stuff...
http://users.ece.gatech.edu/lanterma/synergy/
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 17:58:43 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path
This may not be the Fagen ad/poster in question, but I was able to Google up this image (which I've seen before)...
http://users.ece.gatech.edu/lanterma/synergy/photos/Donald_Fagen_ad.jpg
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 17:18:26 ET
Posted by: Fagen DX Poster,
J.J. Putz, Seattle
Glad to hear the Yamaha poster is framed and featured!
I only saw it for about 2 minutes 20 years ago. Could you describe it? Was DF wearing glasses in this one? What equipment was showing?
Is there any chance you could take a quick photo of the poster?
Thanks. Pat.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 16:55:25 ET
Posted by: Newark, Kitchen Again
Billy Cobham
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 13:35:33 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Bettertimes, I actually wasn't terribly fond of Dennis Chambers with the band. His grooves were definately good, but just not quite great, for the swingin' feel you need to have with Steely Dan music, and I actually didn't like the type of fills he did in general. (He rather butchered Kid Charlemagne on the Alive in America album in my opinion)
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 13:16:59 ET
Posted by: J.J. Putz, Seattle
Steely Experts...
I have that poster and it's a good one! Mine is in mint condition and it's framed on my wall. Can't scan it because it's behind glass.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 11:55:59 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
i hate to be the guy who always points out minor mistakes in posts, but better times, since carlock is in his mid thirities, your post gave me a very funny image of a college student with some, ahem, control issues. It involved him making this face: http://keithcarlock.com/images/large/frontLive3.jpg
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 10:45:22 ET
Posted by: Newark, Church on Time
Coffee and road trip to praise Jesus. Enjoying those Sun. morn. reads, egh? Between State Fugue and revisit to Countermoon Zine might as well cancel that fantasy--auditioning comedians during intermission. We got it all right heah!
gimme one to go, wet cappacino, bitte.
in the name of the father and the son and the holy ------deleted by whoops, oh never mind. Wake up West coast, smell the coffee. hehe
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 10:05:40 ET
Posted by: Newark, Strawberries Anyone?
Fife: Mine. Check email, girlfriend. Yesssssss!!!!!!! hugs, I'll have to get a strange date, but no problem. haha
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 09:55:36 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, missing them all
As Frankie said, The Best is Yet to Come, BR! I was so happy to be at your pre-birthday affair last week. Wishing you only the best always!
I told y'all NO was HOT!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 09:31:10 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Does anyone have the setlist from last night at N. Falls?
I still think the best and most rocking Steely Dan Tour was, by far, the 1994 tour with Dennis Chambers on Drums. Everyone is so gushy about Keith Carlock. Yes, Keith is great but Dennis Chambers was doing it when Keith was shitting his pants and really is at a whole other level! Listen to the fills on the live stuff, Alive In America and Dennis Chambers fills are so crafty yet feel right and are rocking. With his bad ass canary yellow Pearl Masters Customs with gold hardware, Dennis Chambers is King! In addition, look at how much better the setlists were on the 1994 tour. Any Major Dude! enough said!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 09:11:20 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Gene,
How wonderful! A hat! Those Sens are looking to roast a few Ducks!
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 09:08:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I have 2 tickets for sale for the Wolftrap show, Loge Row E dead center. Cost $111.00 plus shipping charges or a straight exchange for a ticket at the Beacon for June 11th. Please e-mail me if your interested.
Fife
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 07:47:52 ET
Posted by: Seneca set list anyone?, .
Carlock looks damn good for a guy who turns 104 next month.
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 02:45:20 ET
Posted by: whackedby11trax, up late
Site update!
Pledges to the State Fugue Elimination League (SFEL) can be made at steelydan.com.....
Date: Sun, June 03, 2007, 02:05:42 ET
Posted by: Gene Autry, On the range
Ms fife hello.. and wanted you to know I had a nice talk with a certain hockey owner and his family the other afternoon during a break in the Stanley Cup..south of Anaheim, he gave me a hat for his #1 Fan, you !
..hope all is well with ya..look for my documentries on the Discovery Channlel next year Normandie, & P'ere Lachaise cemetary,
France..and think of bernies poetry/lryics "cage the song bird"
gene
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 22:07:15 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, home from Turning ROCK
WB also said: Turning ROCK...what is that, a Turning ROCK? Is it a rock that spins, like a roulette wheel, or is it a rock where you turn the wagons around? You know what..it doesn't really matter, it doesn't matter at all....
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 21:56:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, back from Turning Stone
...hey kids, here's WB's story of the Hot Bone from Turning Stone....as best as I can recall:
WB: it wasn't a Monday night, not a Tuesday, not a Wednesday or a thursday, but a FRIDAY night (crowd cheers) ....you took your girl down to the fishing hole...you brought along some snacks, some duct tape, the Bhagavad Gita....and you go in search of the HOT BONE...
DF: The Hot WHAT?
WB: The Hot BONE....you know that spot...on a girl...so, you're getting comfortable and you start searching for the hot bone....is it here? No.... a little lower....no....how about here? No, that's not it....finally you give up, and you have some liquid refreshment....tell us about that refreshment girls....and show us where that hot bone is....
GIRLS: the cuervo gold....
WB: is the hot bone here?
GIRLS: the fine Colombian...
WB: is it down a little lower here?
GIRLS: ....make tonight a wonderful thing...
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 21:52:02 ET
Posted by: Steely Experts..., help please
Hello everyone.
There was a print poster from Yamaha in the early 1980s featuring Donald Fagen with Yamaha DX and TX synthesizers. At the time, the music store where I saw it (suburban Chicago) would not give it to me, and I've completely forgotten about it until now. I don't know why.
Does anyone have a copy of this poster? Are there scans available? I'd just like to see it again, not necessarily have it (although that would be great too).
Also, for some great Kid Keith action photos, look here:
www.drummerworld.com/ drummers/Keith_Carlock.html
If you scroll down to second photo from the bottom, you can see Keith when he looks 12 years old.
Thanks in advance for any help provided.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 19:56:31 ET
Posted by: steely fan, .
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/06/02/smoking-section-bob-dylan-dave-matthews-the-killers-ben-harper-and-more/
if you ever want to be humbled by a team of musicians, go see Steely Dan. That’s what we did, catching SD at their two-night blowout at New York’s Beacon Theatre. Backstage, we caught up with our heroes Donald Fagen — the high-tech, bonus-packed box set of his trilogy of solo albums is out in July — and Walter Becker, who’s nearly done with solo album number two. SD will play at least five gigs at the Beacon this year, just a few shows less than the Allman Brothers played there in March. “Eventually we want to have a monthlong battle of the bands with the Allmans,” says Becker. “It’ll be epic, and the loser will be sent back to Swampfuck, Georgia.” Based on the Dan gigs, our money’s on Steely. “Wait, now the Allman Brothers are gonna beat the shit out of us,” says Becker. “When you write this, substitute Toto for the Allmans.” Done
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 16:52:13 ET
Posted by: mmmmm, is there gas in the car?
Actually Doc doesn't have those plates on his car.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 16:15:17 ET
Posted by: Spicy Fish, out there
The Truth,
While I completely agree, I do believe Doc's license plate is one he carries around to concerts and holds up at the shows. And my is it fabulous.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 14:44:59 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Donald and Walter saw a guy first night at Boston in a front row wearing a white tux and a white fez.
DF ack'ed him.
Someone with the band--or maybe even Walter or Donald themselves while in the limo-- saw a car with Doc's Steely Dan license plate.
WB ack'ed him
These facts in no way confirm that Walter and Donald are glued to or even read the BlueBook or other SD forums.
The Truth
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 14:28:44 ET
Posted by: Spoiler2, God's ancestor
"CHANGE OF THE GUARD" FOOLS!
DON'T MAKE ME BLOW UP YOUR SUN!
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 13:12:22 ET
Posted by: Kirschwasser, NY
Steelydoc---Don't worry, I cheered for you when you held up the license plates. Hilarious stuff!
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 13:01:28 ET
Posted by: P.S., don't forget the sunscreen.
:-)
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 12:59:35 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Also in the dangerous kitchen...
2dgs—Funny you should mention bluegrass. The bass player in my band once went to a restaurant where there was a bluegrass guitarist playing. The strangest thing happened…he got sick to his stomach and had to leave. He doesn’t know why, but he seriously thinks bluegrass music makes him violently ill. So our guitarist plays a little from time to time just to piss him off. Hee hee.
Newerker—indeed, the weekend is here. I am making some pasta salad and hitting the pool for my niece Katie’s birthday. I made it my mission to get my brother every SD CD for the last few Christmases. He’s hooked on Katy Lied, and so are his kids. In fact, they went to NYC last year and upon leaving town to go home, his then 4 year old son started singing “Daddy Don’t Live in That New York City” from the back seat—just out of nowhere. I nearly spit when I heard this. Kid hit the half-steps, too. I wonder if he will end up like Walter Becker someday…
denizen de topsoil—Things are going well…busy. Lots of living and sweet happiness has come my way. I won’t be at the VA show, unfortunately. I’m assuming you’re going. Enjoy! I’ll be at one of the Beacon shows and cannot wait.
Speaking of Carlock again, I would love to hear Lunch With Gina on this tour.
Enjoy the weekend, peeps.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 12:01:24 ET
Posted by: wormtom, nola
hey Lisa - how's it going?
are you making Portsmouth Va on the 8th?
Rizzo - this tour should definitely be dvd'd in all it's splendor
the band is hotso
the last document was a rehearsal 7 years ago
give us the whole show, no fluff, no quick camera pan
glad to hear the shows are warming up
or maybe they are not
the show in Atlanta was pretty hot
NO hot but you could tell they were holding back in the heat
cheers from the topsoil
wt
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 11:47:45 ET
Posted by: Newerker, kitchen (I feel there's something missing)
ROFL Lisa G. Go on wit yer self. The weekend has officially arrived! , :-)
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 11:37:39 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, doghouse
LisaG:
Saw your post, but found it impossible to read and listen to bluegrass at the same time (Del McCoury Band--"The Company We Keep") . (Scooby raspy laugh hihahehehe).
Something's gotta give. It's getting hot out here. whatzup wit that? 2dgs
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 11:29:48 ET
Posted by: Newerker, kitchen
Yea, squirrel: I can predict with my lover a 90 percent margin "for" sex before and after a SD show. shhhhhhhh
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 11:15:11 ET
Posted by: LisaG, At the edge of the frame...
Hahaha!!—Richard…”What happened to that roll thing?” Too funny. Thanks for bringing up Dennis Chambers…I think he deserves a lot more attention that he gets.
2dgs—I always admired those who could sing and play rhythm. I play keys in my band and as an oft-time lead vocalist, I DO find myself simplifying when I’m faced with some rhythmic vocal juxtaposition. But I think at times, it can be done with concentration. Once our bass player couldn’t make rehearsal and I elected to cover bass on keys while singing “Groove Me.” I actually was more inspired trying to fit the vocal line in with the bass. Laying down the spaces brings a newfound understanding of the groove when you work it in several ways. Granted, this isn’t something I would deign to try on every tune, I’m not that coordinated and probably will never be that skilled. I always find that you lose that sense of improv a little when you’re responsible for the pocket, but my hope is that one day I can do it and vary the line at the same time like I would without having to keep the frame going. But kudos to those who can do it. Always impresses. A dear old friend of mine said that everyone is responsible for the time. But the groove? Only when you can speak. By the way, I love the Orange Johnson” reference, but I always thought it was from cheet-ohs.
Josey—Sure Carlock can hold a groove. As long as he’s not playing “Bodhisattva.” ::ducking:: :-P
HornsgoWid--Oooh Vinnie Colaiuta…kinda young, kinda wow. “Negative Girl” happens to be one of those tracks that I play over and over and over and over for the drum and guitar work. Interesting to note, neither WB or DF actually “play” on that track.
Bill-AHA! I read that book cover to cover in two days while in college. I’ll have to dig it up to find the quote. ☺
Raven—Hurry up with that party. I’ll be wearing the inverted colander on my head lest you try to read my thoughts...
Gene Krupa—hahaha! Now wait a moment. As others have attested here, Phil Collins made SOME contributions to the world of music. I swear I read somewhere that he brought the “gate” effect to the forefront of recording drums? Or is my history a little muffled…anyone?
Could that be THE fabled wormy from NOLA? My goodness, it’s been eons. Will be down that way in December for my first visit to your fair city. Hope all is well.
SteelyFan—DF practicing his saxophone on the roof? Now there’s a song just waiting to be written.
security joan—Oh no…I would think it impossible to even know if Herington was doing the exact same solo each time unless it was a mirror image of the recording your memory has stored away, but you hear can certainly hear shades of it, absolutely. I can honestly say that I never really gave it much thought until last week, but for some reason I wanted to celebrate it at the moment. Thanks for the art references--love, love, love them. I wish someone had taught me through the works of the true artists when I was in school.
Walt’s Doppelganger—Actually, it’s all smoke and mirrors.
Chris—thanks for the show review. (Keep ‘em coming, people—I’m hanging on your every word.) I remember TvN being a highlight of the AC show. What a groove. Ok I give Carlock SOME props here…hahaha! But that tune shows off all. Again, Jeff Young is funky as all get-out and Freddie…well Freddie is just from another planet. Had to be my favorite tune in the set.
In regard to the Republicans in the audience…who invited them? :-P
In reference to the lady with the finger, there was an “almost incident” in our row at the AC show. Some Dan-happy filly swooped her head down and let out a gleeful yell while simultaneously whip-lashing it back up. Apparently, she screamed a little too close to the ear of the woman in from of her who got up and threatened her with some choice words before going to find some “Event Staff” bouncer-type to keep the woman’s outbursts to a hush. The yellee actually missed three songs in order to do this (what a fan). The yeller ended up leaving her seat and going to dance in back of the bleachers. Warning: Alcohol and Dan can create much sideshow drama.
Jason—I think Walt’s Hey 19 schtick is clearly taking on a life of its own. Too bad someone isn’t chronicling the entire development in print. Thanks for what you wrote.
PaulaJo—So very sorry to hear about your transmission. Hope you can get to another show this tour. I think it’s a moral imperative. I’ll keep my eyes and ears open for a ticket to something in NYC for ya.
TFIII—Seems like a lot of people have trouble getting into Canada. But sir, is that really you? =-o My goodness, it’s like a class reunion in these parts.
Rizzo—Who do you think wore the wedding dress? I’m guessing Walter. I have this feeling he’d look good in heels.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 11:01:45 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Congrats Doc and Fezman,
Funny how both of you post here and yet there is still speculation that the boys don't even know this place exists. MMMM??? I truly wonder about that.
Fife
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 10:50:20 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Hey congrats SyeelyDoc, wish I had been there. And a quick thanks to all the AC danfans - Judi and I had a blast and thank you LWO for those great dice beads! A heavy roller type dude in the elevator showed me how they looked like his diamond dice ring. I offered to trade him! Only lost about $100 at the casino which is like a win in my book. Man I thought the sound system at the Borgata was perfect and 2vN was worth the price of admission. Interesting that Donald managed the voice strain by Walter singing Haitian, girls Dirty Work and the girls a verse on 2vN. I thought he sounded great, even at the end of the show. As someone pointed out, he didn't say anything about "see you next time", just a quick wave and exit stage left. Hmmm.
In my dreams the next tour will be the Still Rolling Tour:
Entire 2vN (but opens with song 2vN)
intermission
Entire EMG
I know, not possible. How about they do it once at Sony and put it on DVD? Interesting that my wife loves 2vN and EMG but is not all that fond of anything pre-Aja. Anybody else get that from spouses, significant others?
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 10:40:37 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Congarts Steely Doc !!! You join the ranks of the Fezman
Tell us the HotBone story and thanks for the setlist
I wonder if they will honor the guy that wears the Turban at his next show?
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 09:52:48 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Thanks for the setlist info for everyone who posted it. There's a paradox with Steely Dan tours. The early shows are a little rougher, the band is a little less tight, there are kinks to work out, but you have a better chance of hearing songs like EMG and Gaslighting Abbie. The later shows are tight and incredible but they've dropped all the deep cuts for more crowd pleasers. Still, can't complain about the Boston show, and it sounds like last night was killer too.
Royal Scam was played on the 00 tour and was every bit as good as you could imagine. I wish they'd bring that back. It may have been played earlier, too - I think as the instrumental overture in 93/94?
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 09:50:00 ET
Posted by: Newerker, kitchen-
Congrats steelydoc. Now, party on for the rest of the weekend--that's an order. hehe.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 09:15:51 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower theater
setlist
Turning Stone Casino
June 1, 2007
Jeri(band only)
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19 (WB tells the story of the HOT BONE!)
Haitian Divorce (WB vocal)
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work (hot bone ladies sing!)
Josie
(band intros)
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORES
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn (band only)
My favorite SD show ever!!!! Why? Beacuse during the band intros, right in the middle of introducing DF, WB says: "Wait...I have to say hi to the guy with the Steely Dan license plate...!!!" I felt like FEZ MAN!!!! Got the house lights on me! It's was surreal! More details to follow...gotta go, long ride home today!!!!!!
A great crowd at Turning Stone (or Turning ROCK as WB calls it...)
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 09:04:50 ET
Posted by: newerker, in the kitchen
Thanks Rizz. Sortof sounds like a _____ troupe taking their show on the road, egh? SD Troupe? haha
Right back to G. Baker--I am impressed by National Public Radio's recognition of him (two years back, +/-). Zooming through his disc collections he does a lot of singing in Baker Gurvitz Army. But I am certain he's done far more than he credits himself for. See pics. Finding G. Baker's vast collection of recordings is a bit scary. Sort of like learning about that chef guy, James Beard is it? or Jim?
Enjoy the weekend, warriors! nwk
I'm in punishment agin, so out, Holmes.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 08:21:35 ET
Posted by: rizzorock, syracuse way
SORRY FOLKS, I FORGOT, 2ND SONG WAS BLACK COW
IT WAS SO OUTRAGEOUS!
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 08:14:27 ET
Posted by: rizzorock, syracuse way
The show last night, at what WB referred to as the "Turning Rock" was outstanding in all respects. The band was typically tight and playfull. We would have been glad to hear another 10-20 songs though!
Heres the song list from "THE TURNING STONE CASINO 6/1/07)
INTRO SONG-NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS
TIME OUT OF MIND
BAD SNEAKERS
2 AGAINST NATURE
HEY 19
HAITIAN DIVORCE(WB VOCALS)
PEG
BABYLON SISTERS
GREEN EARRING
DIRTY WORK (GIRLS VOCALS)
JOSIE (BAND INTRO)
AJA
FM
KID CHARLEMAGNE
ENCORE WAS.....
PRETZEL LOGIC
BODHISATTVA
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY TRUE DAN-FANS TRAVEL CITY TO CITY TO GET ANOTHER FIX OF THE "ECCENTRIC ONES AND THEIR ORCHESTRA". I AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT THEIR SHOULD BE A DVD/VIDEO DONE OF THIS TOUR. IT IS ALMOST THEIR OBLIGATION TO US TO PRESERVE THEIR PERFORMANCE. THEY ARE GETTING UP THERE IN AGE AND PROBABLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS BEING THEIR LAST TOUR, SPENDING TIME WITH THE GRAND KIDS,ETC. I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WAS POSED TO ME LAST NIGHT. ARE BOTH DF & WB STILL MARRIED? I KNOW THAT WALTER IS AN AVOCADO FARMER IN HAWAII, WHAT ABOUT DONALD..WHERE DOES HE CALL HOME!!!???
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 07:27:30 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Utility Room
Ginger Baker?
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 02:54:11 ET
Posted by: TF, III, TO
CJ,
The Royal Scam was played every night of the Y2K tour. Get a good recording from that tour and enjoy. It always followed hank's pad in the second set. Can't you see the glory of the royal scam?!
TF, to the III
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 02:02:31 ET
Posted by: Kirschwasser, NY
Wow, tonight's show at Turning Stone was PHENOMENAL. I can't believe how tight this band is...have they ever been this good?
I didn't write the setlist down, but this is what I recall:
Intro (band only)
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
FM
Bad Sneakers
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Two Against Nature
Peg
Dirty Work
Babylon Sisters
Josie
Aja
Green Earrings
Kid Charlemagne
Encores:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
I don't think that's in the correct order, and I might be missing a song or two. Anywho, the show was great...Donald was spot on and the girls got a lot of love from the audience. They are smokin'.
Walter did a hilariously graphic Hey Nineteen story...talked about the "hot button" or something (a G-spot euphemism, it would appear). It was pretty funny.
Highlights for me were Time Out of Mind, Kid Charlemagne, and Peg. The band opened really strong and closed even stronger. The crowd was great, too, decent amount of dancing/singing along/grooving in the seats. Overall, well worth the money (except for all of the $$$ I lost in the casino) and 2 hr. drive. I can't wait to see 'em again.
Date: Sat, June 02, 2007, 01:38:27 ET
Posted by: cj, year of the locust
My new favorite SD song Royal Scam. Wow this song would be incredible to see live. For those lucky ones who seen this song performed live can you fill me in ? I mean with the horns,drumming, and that haunting keyboard what a treat if they can play it on this tour.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 23:11:31 ET
Posted by: Robb,
Any word on the set list from tonight's show?
I know it's early but thought I would put it out there.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 22:46:41 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Man, some of you people really need to grow up. Some of the posts of the last week make me wanna throw up.
Like a lot of other casual readers/writers here, for me, it gets very tiresome to see the total bullshit that some of you are so endeared of posting. Even some of our "better" posters have succumbed to the negativity. Enough. You don't think that hoops has enough shit to deal with? Jeesus H. Christ in a sidecar. Lighten up. Please try to post something positive, and quit with the "deleted by hoops" etc. shit.
Yeah I know he's not a god, but damn, he provides a pretty bitchen website for us to frolic in. Isn't that enough? Can't you just be thankful, and try to spread the vibe? Yes, intelligent discourse is welcomed. But if you can't control yourselves, please, take it elsewhere. It's getting very old. Thanks.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 20:41:12 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
LWO if your interested I have pics of the AC Danfest and pics of our Steely Dan wall which is now adorned with those wonderful beads. Send me an e-mail and I'll send them to you.
Fife
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 18:14:12 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Thank You Note
George, I agree w/ you--thank a webmaster today.
But didn't you notice? The world is not a warm fuzzy place. Not these days. Not presently, but soon again. Never mind. Hey, stay cool, friend in Paris. I love that word you chose--carp. Isn't that a fish or something?
Thanks, Hoops.
See the moonrise tonight 9:30 EST. Later. SD oughta be in full swing about then. George, hopefully SDcan fuse a touch of R&B into the admixture thing to show off our true colors. nwk
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 17:51:34 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, BF Egypt
oh, it's you, Word Can't-Find-Your-Ass To the Wise: Actually, you are close in your instincts: The dog of 2dgs licks 2dgs' toes, and I like to watch. Sounds like your gibbus needs waxing, dudette; then I'll be over with 2dgs' dog.
You don't want 2dgs to come along; that can be very scarey since 2dgs rarely sleeps having a severe case of insomnia--that's when you can't sleep and is problematic when the pattern remains static for over the course of a few months. It's very contagious btw, insomnia or sleep disorder so it's not cool to mention -------deleted by Hoops
Get some rest, friend. HPFL
How about the Green tonight, say 12 EST? Or will you be too -----------deleted by Hoops
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 17:37:41 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
I visit the Blue regularly to check the set lists and get concert reports. Regrettably, one has to sort through a good bit of arrogance to get the good stuff. Hoops pays for this site, maintains it, cleans it. He's also consistent in his standards. Instead of the constant carping, how about an occasional thanks.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 17:01:42 ET
Posted by: Word To The Wise, The City
That's righteous Hopeful 2dg! I must be sweet to be able to lick your own ass and to separate out the corn with your tongue. Reminds
me of the time I was in the Philippines. But's that's for a later date.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:59:59 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Don't like the party and its hosts?
Leave the party and go to another. If you are going to stay, then shut up.
Sometimes the best intended posts are deleted for reasons that are not or cannot be made obvious. Nevertheless there are sometimes deletions for the greater benefit of us at the blue.
Some posts disappear because of bugs or accidently during spam removal.
Regarding Milo's question about Roger Nichols: By his own standards, Milo should have been trounced as much as he trounces others. Good Bluebookers are kinder than that, as so far demonstrated.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:50:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Word, my brother ot sistra...
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:45:55 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, it's all good
Raj is right--party on. You can't talk about someone's mama or papa like that and get away with it. Come on, let's see that corn eatin grin. "Getting Better, betah all the time." --xox, Hopeful and lovin it.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:32:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh, I see, the same old asswipes...OK, on with the party, Blue!
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:28:29 ET
Posted by: Milo , Mey----------------------deleted by hoops
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:26:26 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
thanks a bunch in the library, awesome!!
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:25:55 ET
Posted by: Next question, please
Milo- Yeah, the stage monitors. He never did "front of the house".
Better a tool then a freaking moron.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:18:39 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, TO
Toronto 2003 was interesting for various reasons. I assisted one of the bandmembers in getting into Canada due to a lost passport issue. Fun for the whole family, indeed. The Roseland shows were the best, as WB made very clear. The Toronto show of 2003 was wondrous. Awesome set list!!!!! Dave Ballou on trumpet was awesome -- best trumpet solos of that tour. If you have access to this show on CD, check out Ballou's work on Cubano Chant and on Godwhacker. Tasty stuff. The 2003 band rules!!!
TF, III
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:18:26 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, woof woof
Hey, Milo, I got a quarter for ya and some cheese ya big ---------deleted by Hoops.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:17:35 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Deletions to test your metal, dear friend Milo, make no mistake, this is tough playground, this Blue, you better know your shit. And you do, now let's just ride this out like friends, please...
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:07:10 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, I'm back
Yes, as self-appointed judge, I think Hoops should delete ----------hoops deleted.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 16:03:25 ET
Posted by: Raven, meadow,
Bill Pgh: The East's Warhol's Factory and the The Factory (band) on the west coast coincide rather nicely--all happening in mid 60s. Perhaps it takes a fan like yourself to bridge those six degrees of separation that theoretically unites all of us losers somehow.
Ok, let's go: George's west coast band The Factory was happening in the mid 60's and F Troop ran from '65-57--thus the clip "That's Show Biz" episode w/ the Bedbugs around the same time of Velvet Underground, (Beatles, Yardbirds, Zappa et al. happening)--Like Steely's legacy, the music in "That's Show Biz" episode was ahead of its time. Fagen around 17 and Walter was around 15--young and impressionable when all this stuff was going on, no doubt. hehe. Their wanting to do something else resulted in something special now.
FYI, as you may know and a MUST when in town: in the Warhol museum in Pitts we found most intriguing a collection of Andy's stuff from the NYC Factory: "Warhol's Time Capsules . . . consists of 610 standard sized cardboard boxes, which Warhol, beginning in 1974, filled, sealed and sent to storage. Warhol used these boxes to manage the bewildering quantity of material that routinely passed through his life. Photographs, newspapers and magazines, fan letters, business and personal correspondence, art work, source images for art-work, books, exhibition catalogues, and telephone messages, along with objects and countless examples of ephemera, such as announcements for poetry readings and dinner invitations, were placed on an almost daily basis into a box kept conveniently next to his desk . . . [the collection] is open to researchers by appointment."
http://www.warhol.org/collections/archives.html
"Yeal, you really got me me now. You got me goin so I don't know what I'm doin":
http://www.willybrauch.de/In_Their_Own_Words/lowellgeorge.htm
Now you all got me digging not only for quarters (for the casino) but researching this thing with L. George, Zappa, Palmer, etc. That would make an excellent party theme--playing only tunes from these cats all night long. Everyone's invited! Maybe we'll throw this wing ding on Friday night June 8 when the Dan should be traveling right through our neck of the woods. hehe. We'll leave the disco lights on. Should be a hell of a party. Oh, wait, we'll be in VA that night. Damn! We'll have to make it one of those private parties with the neighbors and the the SD entourage invited. haha! .
Darn you guys, and you too LisaG. Happy digging, Ravin' Better hide. That moon is still awesome!
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:54:23 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Thanks for the kind words Raj. Let's just have some equity. "Equal Opportunity" deletion. Consistency in deletion. If you get attacked
then why does the attacker get to keep their "bile". Fairness in Moderating.
Next Question - So I guess when Roger was recording all those shows
in 1993 and 1994, he was just recording from the monitor mix? Yeah right. Tool.
Jason - You said, "Milo: My short term memory is not that good. ;-)"
Oh my, does that mean we may a Second Show Boston "souvenir" soon?
I mean I would lo------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:51:16 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Jason...do you have more?
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:44:08 ET
Posted by: Next question, please
Milo - Roger Nichols never "ran the board". He did monitors a few times, that's it.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:39:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Sweetheart, they probably had a nice plate of cavettini and chilled to the strains of The Duke that night.
Milo, trust in the Hoops, he used to zotz my posts a lot in the old days but after getting to know him, punk-kid that he surely is, I came to an understanding of his faithful husbandry of this field of Blue. He's a very careful guardian and I've come to respect him. You are one of our best posters and dontcha move a gooldarn inch away from us, my brotha.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:23:52 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Ah the 2003 Toronto show, or TO as Canadians call it. The show was postponed due to the blackout. So instead of seeing them Aug. 14th I saw them Sept. 14 right after the much tooted Roseland shows. Toronto was an eerie place that night, seeing stars in the sky in downtown TO, no air conditioning in the hotel room, and no Steely Dan show! It was quite the adventure. I"ve always wondered what that band did that night.
Fife
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 15:12:53 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
Chris: Good point. I don't know where the negative reaction to the degree that is was there came from the other night. <Ted K. on> er, rah, I just thought it was well established that MA is a well known er, rah bleeding heart state er, rah. <Ted K. /off>
Milo: My short term memory is not that good. ;-)
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 14:56:31 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Jason, thanks.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 14:30:45 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Jason, FYI NH has been a blue state since the 04 election
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 14:10:29 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Speaking of Setlists -
Is Roger Nichols running the board for this Leg of the tour?
If Roger is mixing I wonder if he is recor--------------------------
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Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:58:33 ET
Posted by: In the Library,
Not sure that I have setlists from the 2003 shows that you were seeking and hoops may be able to give some advice on Bluebook archives, but here are some setlists from the Columbus, OH (early August) and Roseland, NY (mid-September) shows from that year:
Columbus:
Set 1:
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altimira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang Of Ages
Peg
Home At Last
Set 2:
Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Things I Miss The Most
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
Encore:
My Old School
FM
Roseland:
SET ONE:
1. Cubano Chant, Ray Bryant Tune,
before Donald and Walter take the stage)
2. Aja (Aja)
3. Time Out Of Mind (Gaucho)
4. Godwhacker (EMG - Everything Must Go)
5. Caves of Altamira (Royal Scam)
6. Black Cow (Aja)
7. Babylon Sisters (Gaucho)
8. Slang of Ages (EMG) (sung by Walter, featuring Band intros)
9. Peg (Aja)
10. Home at Last (Aja) (Empire State Building Images)
SET TWO:
11. The Steely Dan Show (band and backup singers without D +W,
debuted on 2000 European tour)
12. Janie Runaway (2vN)
13. Hey Nineteen (Gaucho)
14. Haitian Divorce (Royal Scam) sung by Walter
15. Lunch with Gina (EMG)
16. Everything Must Go (EMG, of course)
17 Parker's Band (Pretzel Logic) (Sung by the girls)
18. Josie (Aja)
19. Kid Charlamagne (Royal Scam)
20. Don't Take Me Alive (Royal Scam)
ENCORE:
21. My Old School (Countdown to Ecstasy)
22. FM (FM Soundtrack
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:55:06 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
My bad. The Toronto Fagen show was canceled. There used to be a funny clip at SD.com of the power going out in 2003.
JASON - Thank you. Those two Boston Walter quotes seem to be transcribed word-for-word from a recording perhaps? Any chance maybe? ;^)
Was the second show in Boston as g-------------------------------
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Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:40:00 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
For Denise and others- Here are the transcripts of Walt's Hey 19 story and W & D comments after the Peg false start from the second Boston show.
Walt's Hey 19 story
Sweet things from Boston (clap). You know we’ve being doing this song for a long time. You know the whole thing, sweet things from Boston, chevro gold, fine Columbian, not once, not once has anyone come up to us and said hey you’re doing a great thing for our company here’s a case of chevro gold (crowd laughs). not once has anyone walked up to me and said you guys are the greatest and I love that hey 19 song here’s a nice bag of fine Columbian (crowd laughs). But one time I was down at a bar in the combat zone, I had a couple of drinks and this girl came up to me and she said to me you want to come back to my place for some kinky sex? And I said yeah sure let’s go. So went down to her place. She said look let me just slip into something more comfortable. You sit down on the couch over here and she goes into the other room - you know- and she’s putting on her leather cat suit, her - you know - heating pad and her high heel skyscraper high heels, green and leather poncho that matches her eyes, breaking out all of the cattle prods and the other animal taming tricks she has in her bag. And she walks out into the living and I’m on my way out the door, right. She says what about the kinky sex? And I say hey, I strangled your cat. I took a dump in your purse. I’m outta here. (crowd laughs) So wait a minute. Don’t you want something to drink? Don’t you want a little something to smoke? I said what did you have in mind? She says well we have beer, water, juice – you know – we got brandy. We got bourbon. I said nah I don’t want any of that this. well what do you want? So I told her…. <girls sing it out>
Peg False Start
D: hold on. Hold on. Technical problems one moment. We don’t want to cheat you of this wonderful oldie. <something> ah the old kick drum microphone. Ah, we’ve have some tape on it.
W: See this is what happens in the second term of a republican administration. You get weird shit like this.
D: Either that or it's like PJ O Rourke said that this is what happens when republicans don’t take their meds
The crowd reaction IMHO to the republican comments was a little mixed. There were certainly many laughs but there were some boos. My guess is that the NH fans chose to attend this show. ;-) More importantly, the subsequent Peg was very rocking.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:39:08 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
I think they did ‘pospone’ to ‘Toroto’ show?
I would too. Where the hell is Toroto anyway?
Wow, I must really be excited about Niagara Falls!!
I meant postponement and in the previous post Toronto. Sorry Kidz.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:33:05 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
Milo, I never knew the reason for the posponment but the rescheduled show was in September i think.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 13:17:17 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Wasn't the 2003 Toronto show canceled because of a "power failure"?
I thought th--------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 12:57:34 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
Thanks Chris, I have seen this site and it does show set lists for many shows but none from the 2003 EMG tour. I'm still looking. Trying to compile a list of what I've seen them do live. Only been to 10 shows (1 r&s, one in 93, a 96, a 2000, 4 in 2003, a 2006 with Mike McD and a Beacon Fagen Morph tour show).
If anyone has the Saratoga, Syracuse, Toroto or Concord, CA 2003 lists please post them. Thanks all, catch up with you in Niagara Falls.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 12:11:56 ET
Posted by: Chris , nh
Steve - try this: http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_concerts.htm
There's another site out there with more setlists, but I can't remember the address, and last time I checked the "tour" page was down.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 12:07:46 ET
Posted by: No, but,
No Steve. But in case you missed it, here's the set list from the last two shows.
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I Got the News
Dirty Work by Girls
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Wednesday, May 30, 2007
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work with Girls
Josie with intros
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 11:44:31 ET
Posted by: steve, rochester
does anyone know where to get set lists from specific shows from the 2003 tour?
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 11:30:40 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
Just thought of a more direct SD>Little Feat connection: Rickie Lee Jones (discovered by Lowell George, Fred Tackett played on her first LP, a later one was produced by WB, DF played on a couple of her albums too as did a number of SD alumni).
Don't think Lowell & Richie's "Factory" was related in any way to Warhol's. I have seen that F Troop clip and it's a hoot.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 11:28:19 ET
Posted by: A to ?, Boston Set Lists, last two shows
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I Got the News
Dirty Work by Girls
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Wednesday, May 30, 2007
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work with Girls
Josie with intros
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 11:20:28 ET
Posted by: Pam, Boston
Last Two Shows Set lists
Night one in Boston
Opening Music Price Is Right
TOOM
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
TAN
19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I Got the News
Dirty Work by Girls
Josie Walter names the band members
Aja
FM
Kid C
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Closing music for Carolyn Lenhardt
2nd Night in Boston
Opening Music Price Is Right
TOOM
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
TAN
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work with Girls
Josie Walter names the band members
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Closing music for Carolyn Lenhardt
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 10:31:33 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I noticed this morning that the Wiltern in LA has no shows so far scheduled between June 15 - June 22. I was wondering if ma--------
----deleted by hoops
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 09:53:38 ET
Posted by: Newark, DE
Guess NYC isn't ready for Newerkes, P.A. Come on. No tix for June 10, 11 13 Beacon at Tktbstrd? Hmmm no SD tix for Wolf Trap June 7 (on site tix) either--hear Wolf Trap always sells out early--never been. Guess I'll go fishin'. Goot one 2 dgs. Ahh darn, someone's having a manager attack. Back to Werke. hehe.
Yea, MO: Comcast tix robbed the Dan of their glory in AC, IMHO. Have fun in NYC. To be cont. Newark
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 09:45:44 ET
Posted by: Flaco,
For Hoops to delete
"My grandmother is over eighty and still doesn't need glasses. Drinks right out of the bottle."
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
Long Live WB
-
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 09:11:43 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
For Denise: Transcripts of W & D comments should be forthcoming.
For ?: Setlists for Boston shows were:
TUES NITE
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I Got the News
Dirty Work
Josie (band intros)
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
WED NITE
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 06:45:49 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Boston Rag, I'll be in section 2 Box 88 tonite for the Sox game. Deep right field, but its not like its a Steely Dan concert.
The last year or so, MTC has become one of my favorite Dan / Fagen offerings. The only issue I have with it is that "Blessed Yankees" line.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 05:56:32 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Black Cow...sorry, it's early no coffee yet.
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 05:55:29 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Set list for show 2 courtesy of the kind person who handed out computer printouts after the show...
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Clack Cow
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
---
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Plus very funny Walter jokes and Don cracked us up with his line after he stopped playing Peg, something like "what was that awful sonic sound?" Any one remember the exact words? It was a hoot.
Got a chance to meet Jeff Young after show 1. Very nice gentleman: we spoke about his CD for a bit. Have ordered it and I can't wait to hear it. Anyone here heard it and want to comment?
Thanks to Mark and Bill, was wonderful to see you. Gail and Ed, many thanks for the first show, that was a blast, wish I could remember it better! GM, you are the partier of the year for sure. Hoops, Connie, Jane, and Al, glad to see you all again. John, you did look fabulous in your outfit, it was the trashbag that made the statement. Chan, the bag is great: wear it proudly. Nice to meet so many others.
Till next time...
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 01:43:13 ET
Posted by: ?, ?
setlists for the past couple shows please?
Date: Fri, June 01, 2007, 00:43:51 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, sweeping it kissing clean
Ahhh, can it really be over so fast? Man, talk about a whirlwind trip! Nine-hundred plus miles on the rental car, more hugs and kisses than I can count, bags to unpack, thank you's to express. But, this group of folks never ceases to amaze me.
First, thanks to all the nice people (you goodly souls-can you tell I still have TVN ringing in my ears?) who step up to host a Danfest. Big or small, elaborate or beers in the parking lot, as Mark so eloquently put it, it is a celebration of Don and Walt's music, which is all that really matters. Though we differ in many ways, the connection is strong. Thanks to Steely Doc, Fife and Sam, Mark, Bill and Denise for sharing your hospitality with us the last week!
To those whom we missed INCREDIBLY, Toya, Alan, SueDave, South of Hollywood, Scotty, Geoff, Ann....you were with us in spirit. I have Boston Danfest posters for the overseas contingent! I will put them on the slow boat soon and maybe you will have them for the Downunder shows!
It was great to meet the fine "new" friends, too. Lucky Henry, Security Joan, Kalvin, Chan--sorry, I know that I am missing some names. You can remember me as the Bead Bitch.
Fezman, you rock! So happy to have been there for your shining moment. I'll be in touch about my EMG briefcase....quite a legacy there.
Last, many, many warm wishes to the Heavy Rollers band, who delight us night after night, in good health or ill. And of course, to hoops and Pete, without whom likely none of this would be a reality.....
P.S. Mate, many belated birthday wishes to you! I really, really missed you and your fez!
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 23:48:01 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Out on the veranda enjoying a martini and Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack "Chinatown"
Wow. GM says that Boston crowds
blow away New York crowds. Like
I said, New York shows are gimmees.
Out on the road, in the trenches, you
have to EARN the crowd. That is
where the chance for a real incendiary
show can happen. And if you are lucky
enough to catch one of those shows,
they become lore. Sounds like that’s
what happened at the second 2007
Boston Show. The new high-water
mark for the second leg of the Heavy
Rollers Tour. By my count so far:
Best Show 1st Leg – Chumash
Best Show 2nd Leg – Boston (2nd Night)
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 23:16:38 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, Back in NY
I am so disappointed! The one time I can actually see a SD show, and my car lost its transmission 29 miles north of White River Junction,VT yesterday afternoon. By the time we got a tow and rented a car and made it into Boston, I got a cab from the raddison just in time for the freaking encore!!!!
Plus I missed the danfest and meeting some cool people!
What a venue though-the place was reaallly nice! Too bad I missed 99.9% of what appeared to have been a killer show. I am not giving up....hope to meet some of you and see a show in the future!
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 22:01:33 ET
Posted by: prez logic, baggage claim
Home at last and there's not a lot I can add about the 2nd Boston show last night other than to confirm that it was great. Special thanks to LWO and Fast Eddy for the awesome seat which gave me the view for the following observation. Many different times during the show I saw both Don and Walt watching the band while they played smiling like proud parents. I think our boys are enjoying themselves...
Special thanks to Boston Rag, & Denise from Hinktown for an awesome danfest and danny's, hoops (for everything), LWO, Girl Margaret, Fast Eddy, Connie from/in the vineyards, and the few that will remain nameless, only because I forgot their names...
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 21:46:50 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Home from Bahstuhn at last
What a night! Or two! Just wanted to let everyone know I got home ok even if I didn't post five minutes after my flight landed like Hoops did :) I swear, I don't know what it is about Boston but I do believe that the Boston audience beats out the New York audience every time. You would think that NY being the "hometown" and containing friends and family and buckets of local admirers in the audience would make for a better crowd, but Boston goes absolutely apeshit - except, of course, for those Republican jokes (Oh Walter, how do I love thee?). Both nights, amazingly receptive crowds and the band just ate it all up. Good times, fabulous friends as always, and how much fun were those Danny Awards! I may never recover from all that fun. I sure need a day of sleep, but work calls as usual. Luckily there may be just enough time to catch some rest before the Beacon shows!
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 21:46:42 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Yankee eve
Hi Chan - Good talking baseball with you at LTK yesterday! The Sox were the 1A topic after Steely Dan both days. Kalvin from England went to the Bosox game Monday night, so did Pete and Shari. They saw an inside the park home run and almost a triple play! Looking forward to the weekend Series with the Blessed Yankees.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 21:21:38 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Just a quick post to say what a great show last night. Perfect weather, awesome venue and probably the best performance I have seen from the band. I will not soon forget it.
Just as important was the time spent with friends I have met here in the Blue over the years. Some of you I had met before, others last night was the first time. All I can say is this place and the common love of Steely Dan sure attracts classy crew!! I hope you all made it home safe.
One funny footnote. My wife and kids woke up this morning to find my "Countdown to Ecstacy man bag" as Margaret called it, and my high roller flashing beads courtesy of Gail, sitting on the kitchen table. They are now completely convinced that I have totally lost it. I think they made a bold fashion statement even though the bag did not match my shoes and belt. They are both now prominently displayed on the entertainment unit in my family room.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 19:17:51 ET
Posted by: Raven, Treetop Flyer
Forgot Bill: Can you help with your commentary?
>>Also Walt played a few notes from "Dirty Water" the other night after the mention of the Charles river and the smell.<<
>>What's the connection, you ask? Well, Lowell George spent a short time as replacement frontman for The Standells prior to joining the Mothers. Not sure where The Factory fits into this chronology.<<
I need a little help with this leap. Does this tie SD into the fray or is this a Dobro thing or whatevah? Hayword//Lowell/The Factory/Steely/PIttsburgh/Warhol/.
hugs, Raven :>-~
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 19:10:23 ET
Posted by: Raven, Treehouse
Eel: Yea, mon. Scrollin down, Toledo looks like a neat place with lots of art stuff. Easy fly in.
Bill, actually a Hayword//Lowell/The Factory/PIttsburgh/Warhol connection has been made, thanks to you--and enjoy.
See credits at the end of the Youtube clip of The Bedbugs Part 2, if you have the broadband to play it. As well there's a Roman Numeral date in the introduction. If you cannot retrieve, the Bedbug clips show very early Lowell George with speaking parts and his band [The Factory, trading as The Bedbugs] visit the old west town where F Troop is based. When they start to play a fusion Brit-a-delic tune, the whole whole town is shocked. It isn't ready for that futuristic sound. I enjoyed researching that lead you provided about Richie Hayword. All the same, where ya from anyhoo? hehe
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 18:34:14 ET
Posted by: me, .
That is just mindless writing by somebody who assumes any 70's group still touring is going to play their highest charting single.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:59:35 ET
Posted by: Spoiler2, deep space radio feedback
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OF!
THE!
GUARD!
CLOWNS!
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Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:52:30 ET
Posted by: Wu Who,
The Toledo Blade is reporting that Steely Dan will play "Rikki Don't Lose that Number". Inside information?
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070531/ART03/705310326
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:33:57 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Finally, a Steely Dan-Little Feat connection (other than Mike McDonald singing on "Red Streamliner" and Skunk getting credit for dobro on "Missing You" which wasn't in the final mix)[am I a Little Feat fanatic or what?]:
>>Also Walt played a few notes from "Dirty Water" the other night after the mention of the Charles river and the smell.
What's the connection, you ask? Well, Lowell George spent a short time as replacement frontman for The Standells prior to joining the Mothers. Not sure where The Factory fits into this chronology.
Too bad the boyz didn't work up The Boston Rag for this show but that arrangement hasn't been done by most of these players. It's one of my favorites, too.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:33:53 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Finally, a Steely Dan-Little Feat connection (other than Mike McDonald singing on "Red Streamliner" and Skunk getting credit for dobro on "Missing You" which wasn't in the final mix)[am I a Little Feat fanatic or what?]:
>>Also Walt played a few notes from "Dirty Water" the other night after the mention of the Charles river and the smell.
What's the connection, you ask? Well, Lowell George spent a short time as replacement frontman for The Standells prior to joining the Mothers. Not sure where The Factory fits into this chronology.
Too bad the boyz didn't work up The Boston Rag for this show but that arrangement hasn't been done by most of these players. It's one of my favorites, too.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:31:38 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Hey doc,
Well just see or do a show at Chumash and the MILO sells itself.
Hit em Dinky!
And if you think I'm going to bad mouth Clair Bros. you are wrong.
That little Clair Bros. rig at Soboba was just well, 'juicy'. I
also believe that Pechanga out here in SoCal uses a modified Clair Bros. system and I really dig that place for a show, the Fagen show
there was one of my favorites sound wise.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 17:21:25 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower theater
hey Milo:
what's the scoop on SD switching to Meyer Sound? Saw a big road case in AC with MILO on the side and thought of you....
no more Clair Bros.?
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 16:00:51 ET
Posted by: Leonhart on Babylon!!,
You think they listened to my complaint about the trombone taking over where the trumpet originally played on Babylon on the album????????
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 15:59:55 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Mark - I wanted to stop by, actually, but my buddy wasn't really into meeting folks from "the internet" unfortunately. One of these days I'll make it.
One thing I forgot to mention was how great Freddie Washington was now that I could actually hear him. He had some great little touches on a few tunes throughout the night.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 15:46:50 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I LOVE that Walter has gone "Blue".
First he's talking about getting bitten
on the "Johnson" by a Sidewinder and
having to have "Your Date" suck the
poison out. Now he's tossing around
"Pussy". Rudy Ray Moore look out!
Walter is all pimpin all of the time.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 15:39:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah, somebody please stop me...
The other day I played golf and broke 70. That's a lot of clubs. [rimshot]
Ya know, I take my wife everywhere, but she keeps finding her way back. [rimshot]
Went to the doctor, said, "my foot hurts, what do I do," he said, "limp." [rimshot]
There was a girl knocking on my hotel room door all night but finally, I let her out. [rimshot]
Pussy. More pussy. Strange pussy. [rimshot]
Thang you
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:31:11 ET
Posted by: 2 dgs: Join me in the dog house, beatch, woof
I got yer pad right heah. friends?
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:27:05 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Boston
"What a night!"
Missed it Tuesday night as well...always one of my favorite lines from Donald.
Did anyone else notice Donald smiling during Babylon Sisters when the girls were singing the "shake it" lines? It was as if he had just thrown raw meat to some dogs and was admiring them eating it up...great moment.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:24:15 ET
Posted by: Henny,
RIMSHOT!
Thank you.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:18:32 ET
Posted by: 2 dgs: What a night!, in the kennel
True story: Milo wanted to go to the Steely Dan show but he was so broke he couldn't even pay attention, even to his wife. He had acquired a dickey that forbid him to perform oral sex on himself and he could not even poke his dear Ruthy.
He finally goes to his doctor, who was puzzeled by his orange Johnson and he tries a few things but nothing seems to work. So the doctor refers him to an American Indian medicine man.
The medicine man says, "I can cure this." That said, he lights a blue candle, chants to the full moon and throws a white powder in a flame, and there is a flash with billowing blue\smoke.
Then the medicine man says, "This is powerful medicine. You can only use it at the once a year. Preferably in the parking lot for the SD show in Niagra or any American Indian casino.
All you have to do is say '123' and your winky dink shall rise for as long as you wish!"
Then Milo asks, "What happens when it's over, and I don't want to
continue?" The medicine man replies: "All you or your partner has to
say is 1234, and your willie will disappear again. But be warned -- it will not work again for another decade!"
Milo rushes to the studio for a cot in the first-aid kit then home, eager to try out his new powers and prowess. That night he is ready to surprise Ruth.
He showers and puts on his most exotic shaving lotion. He puts gas in the cah, gets Ruth into the backseat in the parking lot at the SD concert, and after fumbling around awhile and throwing back a bunker or two and some cheese curls, he makes his move.
The windows seemed to began steaming up. Lying half on the floor with one leg over his head and digging frantically in his pocket for his protection, his eyes widened seeing his lovely wife panting on the window. "123," he says with eagerness and urgency, for he could hear the soundcheck in the distance.
Milo suddenly becomes more aroused than anytime in his life ... just as the medicine man had promised.
Ruth, who had her back turned away was drawing smiley faces and playing tic tac toe with herself on the steamy windows. She turns and and asks, "What did you say 123 for?"
They sat outside and enjoyed the Steely Dan concert; looking for to next year.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:13:13 ET
Posted by: Jason, Boston
Also Walt played a few notes from "Dirty Water" the other night after the mention of the Charles river and the smell.
Walt's rants during 19 were great, although I would give the nod to last night's. In general I thought the whole show last night was better than Tuesday's. I think the enegry level of crowd and band was better on Wed night than on Tues.
Also with the exception of the NOLA jazzfest show where Don was forced to say "what an afternoon!" there was no mention of his usual tag line, which I think I've heard him say at every show (~20) I've seen since the early 90s.
For those attending shows later in the tour the opening act is worth a listen.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 14:11:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Walter Becker is a man who obviously has his priorities in sequence.
Finally, someone stout enough take up the forgotten mantle of Redd Foxx and Henny Youngman.
Walter needs to hit the after-dinner talk circuit. Maslow was the psychologist in the 50s who devised this pyramid which posits the various ascending strata of human needs, staring off with food, sex, excretion(I kid you not), and progresses to things like gainful employment, love, self-respect, accomplishment and ends up with self-actualization. Nice work but Wally's is a bit more down to earth.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 13:56:23 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Nick's Comedy Stop
Raj – during the Tuesday show Walter did riff on Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
SPOILER BELOW
Although he was a lot funnier on Wednesday, the first night he went into a little rant on the hierarchical needs of Man. He said of course there’s Milt Jackson records and funnel cakes, but it comes down to this:
1. Food
2. Pussy
3. Strange Pussy
Too funny! The crowd went crazy,
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 13:43:54 ET
Posted by: Ravin', Location: Dishes and Laundry
Milo: Jonesing are we? _\,,/
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 13:28:16 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, the day after
Chris – Great review! I agree 100% with all your comments. I wish you made it down to LTK to say hello to other Blue danfans.
As Chris and Hoops posted, the audience was supercharged last night (more so than Tuesday night). You could tell that Walter wasn’t blowing smoke when he said a couple of times “Boston has always been our best audience”.
Lots of great memories from the 2 days of music and Danfests. The most surreal moment was Wednesday afternoon driving to the Danfest with Hoops, Margaret and Connie. We were stopped at a red light 2 miles from the BOA Pavilion and suddenly Hoops says, “Hey, there’s Keith Carlock!”. We look over and there’s Keith reading a map of Boston and holding a Subway bag and soda. We yell out “Keith, thanks for a great show last night!”. He looks over and waves and seemed surprised that people recognized him. Crap, he’s only the 3rd best drummer in the world according to Modern Drummer (#1 in Steely Dan fans eyes).
Hoops put on a great show on the sidewalk patio of LTK as emcee of the Danny awards. LWO also outstanding as co-host of the event. Many good laughs at the award ceremonies. Thanks Hoops for your commitment to the Steely Dan fan community.
So good seeing old friends and meeting new ones during the past couple of days. Gail (thanks for the awesome massage! And the great Danfest party favors). Ed (a first class Gentleman and Danfan), Fezman (you’re a crazy bastard), Kalvin (Great seeing you again mate! Now hug the wife and thank her for letting you cross the pond again). Margaret (Danny for Party Girl of the year!) , Denise (Danfest poster designer extraordinaire), John Adams (those Steely album bags were the hit of the Danfest), Al and Mary, Al and Jane Lightning, Pete and Shari, and of Bill and Hoops. Hope to see everyone soon! Japan? Australia?
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 13:10:02 ET
Posted by: hoops, back in chicago
Only drunk on the buzz of an incredible show last night. I've seen Steely Dan dozens of times and last night had the best "Hey 19", "Peg" and, arguably, "Green Earrings," I had ever heard. Chris was dead on about "Peg." It was among the best Steely Dan shows I have ever heard. The earlier summary of "Hey 19" was indeed a very rough synopsis of Walter's intro the "Cuervo Gold...Fine Columbian" part. ROFL rest of the night for that one.
Thanks to everyone, very especially Mark and Bill who made it possible, not forgetting John, Gail, Margaret and always Pete & Shari.
Catch some Zzzzz's --laters.
Jim
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 13:05:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Can anyone confirm Walter mentioned the great self-actualization psychologist Abraham Maslow and vibraphonist Milt Jackson the other night in his schpiel durin Hey 19? So he's stepped it up a notch? And what's all this about Republicans in Boston? Seems incongrous somehow.
Here's a really brief article by somebody in Buffalo that I think really nicely encapsulates the Steely Dan arc through the eyes of one of their younger fans. Nice little album reviews as well. Check it out:
http://artvoice.com/issues/v6n22/music/no_static_at_all
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 12:52:48 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
BTW -
Concerning "Dancing" at Steely Dan shows.
I find the best shows are where dancing
is "Compulsory". ;^)
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 12:39:22 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Thanks for the info Chris. Glad you liked the show.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 12:38:35 ET
Posted by: ShowBizKid, Greater Boston
I want to take a quick minute to thank Bill and the crew for making me feel welcome at LTK yesterday afternoon. While I wasn't able to make the show last night, or stay very long for the pre-party, it was great to meet you all and obtain the coveted Heavy Roller beads -which hang gloriously around my computer monitor. I will be in touch.
~ All the best to everyone
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 12:36:04 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
To clarify:
Herrington was on stage for the show. He was not for the sound check, and Don said something that made me think that he would be replaced by Wayne Krantz for the night. I thought he might not be feeling himself, as he seemed to flub a few notes here and there. By the end of the show (Peg onward) he had taken it to the next level.
I guess what I left out was that VERY minor fuck ups didn't matter (I only really noticed because I've seen this band 4 times now and pay very close attention to these things) because there was so much energy from the band and the audience. I'm not a writer by any means and I'll admit I just typed that whole thing out stream of conciousness, so I apologize for any confusion. The gist is I loved the show, warts and all, and it WAS the best I had ever seen them play.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 12:18:27 ET
Posted by: Ravin' morphing as we blah blah,
Milo dear milo, you know, fortunate are the pedestrians who attend the quarter moon July 7, 2007 when the heavy rollers arrive in town. Wanna go? You buy, and I'll fly. hehe Remove the cob please.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 11:24:50 ET
Posted by: Raven, Treetop Again
Chris:
RE:" -Remember how Herrington was playing the same solo on Bodhisattva, Peg, My Old School, etc? Last night they were new and (I think) improvised on the spot."
Chris, what do you mean? Help a bird out. Are you saying Herington was onsite? or was he offsite? We gotta rem: SD is evil and their expert theatre backup strategies are in place, obviously. Was Herington back stage? was Krantz? Herington, our brilliant star, is not well? whatzup? Think it wuz a bad hair day for Jon? Any crumb is appreciated, chris nh. rave on, dude
No one is tired here, just bored today waiting for moonrise. hugs
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 11:12:29 ET
Posted by: Raven: Swooping downward,
thx chris--you beat me to the post. hehe
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Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 11:08:31 ET
Posted by: Raven: Location: Poplar branch,
Oh, it's you. Don't you know that "it's not nice to fool mother nature."
*V* ~ ~ ~
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 11:06:25 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Boston last night was the best I had ever seen Steely Dan. Lots of energy from the crowd and the band, much more than last year's audience at Tweeter.
We showed up early for the sound check where first, Donald announced substitutions, and I swear said something about Jon not being there and the substitutions being for Wayne. Once the band started running through the songs, it was evident that Jon was indeed not on stage, which lead me to believe that he was ill and that Wayne Krantz would replace him for the night. Obviously, this did not end up being the case, but Jon was still MIA during the sound check and I think he flubbed some notes here and there, the most noticeable being during Aja (although that could have been Walter).
After Don listed off the substitutions, he made a few up: "Instead of Bad Sneakers, we're going to play Cosmic Slop. Instead of Two Against Nature, we're going to play Horse With No Name." Then they ran through Black Cow, TOOM, Haitian, Green Earings, Dirty Work, and possibly a few more that I'm forgetting - but basically no surprises. Still, it was fun to hear, and worth beating the evening congestion on 93 to get there in time.
Sam Yahel was great, played a very short and challenging set that the audience was mostly receptive to. Then came the Steely Dan Orchestra, and even while playing the opening notes of a song no one recognized, without Don and Walt on stage yet, the crowd exploded. I hadn't seen that kind of energy at a Steely Dan show since 00.
Don's voice was a little raspy at times, but in general he was really on and didn't really flub a note all night. He nailed the "you fella" line on Bad Sneakers.
The big highlight for me was definitely Two Against Nature. It was absolutely phenomenal live, bursting with energy despite the crowd using it as a bathroom/beer break, and better than the studio version. It was the only tune that Walt danced to, too, and it was his best guitar solo of the night by far. On the outro (the part with "whip the bastards," etc), the girls took over and changed the melody a bit to make it even more badass and menacing. It was a great moment.
Most surprising moment was Peg, and the fact that I really enjoyed it. I've seen it every year and it's always been that song that I could do without, but there was something about last night's version, as Hoops noted earlier. There was a false start as there was an equipment malfunction (side note: the band stopped on a fucking dime!), and Walter said "That's what happens when there's a republican in office for two terms - weird shit happens" and there was a mix of boos and cheers, but mostly boos. I guess they didn't notice all the Hummers in the $20 lots across the street. Then Don said "Or it's like PJ O Rourke said - 'This is what happens when republicans go off their meds'" to even MORE boos. One indignant couple actually walked out at that moment. Then they transformed the "energy" from pissed off boomers and played the best Peg I have ever heard, and by the end of the song everyone was back on their side again.
Just a few more quick notes as no one is reading this at this point and I'm tired of typing:
-Remember how Herrington was playing the same solo on Bodhisattva, Peg, My Old School, etc? Last night they were new and (I think) improvised on the spot.
-Leonhart, not Pugh, had the solo on Babylon Sisters. Pugh had a great solo during Hey 19.
-The place was ALMOST full. There were 3-5 empty rows in the back of the tent.
-We sat in the cheap seats outside the tent and the mix was better than when we sneaked under the tent for the encore.
-Tempos were all consistent with album version tempos, based on my unscientific method of listening to the song and thinking "this sounds about right."
-Dirty Work, especially Carolyn's verse, was incredible, with a line at the end that channeled Billy Holiday
-Haitian was also great, Walter sounded strong and Carolyn singing the verse with him didn't seem like a compromise but rather an artistic choice.
That's about all I have to say, except STAND UP ONCE IN A WHILE PEOPLE, YOU'RE AT A ROCK SHOW! Jeez! Is this what you people did at Woodstock, in between the rolling in the mud and the free love? I mean, sit if you want, but don't make everyone else do it (like the lady who grabbed my friend by the shoulder, stuck her finger in his face and said "I DON'T THINK SO!" during Peg). I'm usually pretty mellow about these things, but the energy demanded we stand up and dance, and not being able to was maddening at times.
Other than that, killer show, the best since my first in 00, and I certainly hope it's not the last.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 09:38:45 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, - you got that right
LISA G IS A GODDESS!
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 09:23:34 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, Hello kitty
WHolee Sheet.
I hope they play SUMMER (THE FIRST TIME) by BOBBY GOLDSBORO in Milwaukee!
That song is my favorite!!
And a perfect song for Donald's voice. AND he could revisit that great monologue about going to the beach with the Ritz crackers - that one gets me EVERY time. HAHAHAHAHA!
. . . And I could use the royalties.
Love to you all,
Bobby
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 09:16:27 ET
Posted by: Mangola,
huge hoops
call us back when U sober up
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 09:07:54 ET
Posted by: Raven, Location: Mighty White Pine tree
Right on about Genesis et al More research needed. Brilliant rockumentary on 'em on VHS classics. I was about as up on Genesis as I still am quite clueless on The Grateful Dead and Zappa and others, sadly to admit, though I am about to throw a long overdue Zappa party--everyone from the Blue is invited and must bring bright shiny objects or be square. Oh, following the Zappa party will be a Robert Palmer party. Just checking in, polishing the disco ball and telescope lenses in the observatory. Wouldn't it be ultimate would be to see/hear Leonhart play his favorite horn and sing at the same time. hehe :>~
Thank you :r for the tracks on Listen and Watch link at Everything Must Go album. This sustains me, being the worm food magnet that I am. hehe Great grub, btw posters and Long Live Steely Dan!
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 09:03:08 ET
Posted by: huge hoops fan/don't mess with jim, location: not sure they moved it
hey dontcha remember the movie with drew barrimore can't remember nothin from day to day. hoops has that too!
so, it WAS the first show for him.
i actually never saw the movie - does she take her clothes off?
i, however, agree with the bluemaster [great show] - except for the actual song "19." and getting some ben & gerry's chocolate therapy ice cream was more important than hearing fm for 10 millionth time (although, their creme brulee ice cream is KILLER). very odd - all the little groups of men dancing together and singing FM to each other. hey - "i don't care what you do at ha oome."
¿how about those dan fans in general? it was like an open casting call for "one flew over the coo ckoos nest!
anyway, from what i can tell is that hoops is leading the charge to save some guy named marshall - i think that he is at gitmo in a walnut panelled room. good for you hoops.
hey, i think the opening act played at my bar mitzva!
CHECK IT, walt actually constructed some solos last night - dump THAT in your purse!
well here's the set list:
i love lucy theme/Baby One More Time [spears, ska version] (band only)
kuleee babba [my non d'voyage is mckay!]
mr. sam
on the dunes
dr. wu (screwed up, like in rehearsals)
slang of ages
true companion (expanded lyrics)
rhymes
the bear got you (dedicated to sleepless in boston and spy girl - deservedly so)
a cut from walt's new cd
** walt introduces the band in Esperanto and announces his run for president in 08
godwacker
charlie freek
junkie girl
encore:
carey
tomorrows girl's
rehearsal: cash only island, sail the waterway and SUMMER (THE FIRST TIME) by BOBBY GOLDSBORO - more like bette midler's version
ye-haw!
yours,
frank gorshin
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 07:32:46 ET
Posted by: worm, new orleans
Hoops - is this your first show this tour?
I know the band is tight
but you seemed as giddy as a school girl
whoever posted this on singing drummers
BTW, to the person who said Phil Collins, he only sings and plays during In the Air Tonight, the rest of the time, he's only doing one or the other :)
you are wrong
Phil sang backup for Peter Gabriel, then took the reins
while playing some mean skins
later years as a frontman he would do a lot of singing upfront and let Chester THompson play behind him, yes he sold out, but go back and listen to those seventies Genesis albums
Colin Raye's drummer Sammy Ray has an exceptional voice and sings harmony
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 06:45:45 ET
Posted by: Newerker, back yard
The posts here are awesome. Hey bluprintblu--we got to give Bill from Pgh credit for Hayworth lead then finding rare footage of Lowell George on YouTube was neat. There's so much great stuff in these posts that it'll will take me a few days to process. Thx all.
OMG Green Earrings is also one those songs built like a Smith Island cake. Congrats on food award zim, et all. and thx fifer. btw
"Hey ya" great suggest about those general admission dance halls (think Rams Head in Balt.) often times do not offer seats and all must stand, steering away a lot of folk who wish to sit down a bit. I think Birchmere has a first-come-first-serve seating thing, or whatevah--never been--but folks camp out early for tix and admissions hear-tell.
On my out I was just remembering some intro songs that are etched in my mind--Band Intros:
Bros. Johnson--Ain't we funkin' now
Sly and the Family Stone--Dance to the music
Graham Central Station--The Jam
Steely Dan--Josie
Hmmmmmm let's see here, any more?
Love those intros--adds a great dynamic to any performance/recording.
Tonight Blue Moon, I hear your're supposed to light a blue candle and do something with your aspirations. hmmmm. More research needed. Last night's (waxing gibbus) moon was magnificient. Tonight: Full whoo hoo.
hugs, j&j What a night
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 05:51:01 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Ladies and gentlemen,
Please excuse the indulgence, but just a quick hello and thank you to all the very special friends I was able to meet up with again on Tuesday night and who once again quickly were able to turn a special night into an extra very special one proving again that it's not about where you are, but who your with.
Apologies for any I've missed out, and in no particular order these include the Fezman (a personal mention from Donald and the house trained on you will always get you to the top of any list !) Gail, Denise, Margaret, Sheri, Pete, Mark, Bill, Jim, Ed. Thanx again one and all.
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 02:08:41 ET
Posted by: security joan, That ol' Herington / Peg thang
Hey Lisa - I want to make sure I don't give the impression that Herington was doing the 'exact same' solo on Peg... I should've put a cap V on "variations". I think my admiration comes from the fact that he does in fact use the Graydon solo as a departure point, yet is able to produce something that is fresh and original almost every time, which to me is a mark of a truly accomplished artist. I was agreeing wholeheartedly with your far more pithy comment on the precedent of the Peg solo and his creative handling of it. (In my case I'm impressed with this based on my lessons leftover from art school, where a great test was being asked to create something brilliant from within the confinement of a strictly-defined assignment -- something that in retrospect I see was a wise exercise and genuine test of talent, but at the time was utterly resented!)
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 00:36:37 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago
Guys
I apologize for being awol this SD season. It's becoming obvious that my participation in this year's festivities will be very limited. I'm extremely busy putting the finishing touches on my debut cd. "Trouble 'N' Bass" will be released this August. Shortly after its release we'll be embarking on our own tour. I'll be sure to keep you updated on that. Just know that if it weren't for your undying love and support this would NOT be possible. I look forward to seeing you, my SD family again soon.
Until then
Danfiend
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
Date: Thurs, May 31, 2007, 00:13:03 ET
Posted by: hoops, west of boston, girl margaret next to me and Mark & Bill nearby as I write this
Amazingly perfect show tonight. Truly one of the best ever. The Dan have really got their shit together!
- Jeri (of course just the band)
- Time Out of Mind
- Black Cow
- Bad Sneaks (amazing guitar solo)
- 2vN (Keith, Walt W, girls, amazing)
- Hey 19 (Walter's story was enough for three separate nights, between the bit about what Cuervo had never given them, the bag of Columbian they never got, a visit to Boston's Combat Zone and the night of kinky sex where she brought out the whips, crops and other toys and Walt strangled her cat and took a dump in her purse. "What more do you want?")
- Haitian Divorce (Walter Vox)
- Peg (started and Keith's kick drum mic had a problem so they fixed it and started over. Best Peg I have ever heard.
- Babylon Sisters
- Green Earrings (amazing again--fuck, it was all amazing)
- Dirty Work
- Josie (with band intros)
- Aja
- FM
- Kid C
Encore
- My Old School
- Bodhisattva
- Carolyn (just the band)
That's all for now...gotta flight to catch in a few hours.
Thanks everyone....more on the Dannys in a day or so.
Jim
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 23:06:42 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Neat story Steelyfan DF on the roof
Congrats Fife
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 22:02:45 ET
Posted by: Coreyrad, Montville, NJ
Hey, I'll be at Turning Stone on Friday. Turns out, it's reunion weekend at My Old School, Hamilton College, in Clinton, NY. The timing could not be better, since that is where I was introduced to the Dan as more than just a "top forty" Do It and Reelin' band. Exposed to Countdown countless times in my sophomore year really did me in, in a big way. Going with 3 other alumni, and hoping they'll play the "old school" gem just for us. We can hope anyway.
Going to Beacon show on the 10th as well. Already can't wait for the New York crowd!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 21:50:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Good news Zim, we won one!!! The food category. Chan phoned me from the Boston Danfest and Hoops gave me the news.
Fife
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 21:48:59 ET
Posted by: SteelyFan, NJ
Today I had to drive down to the S. Brunswick area to the home of a consultant doing some work for our company. I had never been there, because it's not an area you ever have to drive through unless it's your destination. But it was cool to see the area where Fagen grew up and was the inspiration for The Nightfly.
Incidentally, I mentioned to the guy that I was down in AC this weekend for a concert. He asked me who I saw, and was excited when I said Steely Dan. Turns out a friend of his, older than himself but younger than Fagen, grew up across the street from DF. Supposedly the Fagen's had a house where there was a doorway onto the roof from the upstairs bedroom, and Donald would practice his saxophone up there.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 21:38:00 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
Just wondering out loud here, about when the Danny results will be posted? Hope everyone is enjoying a fine Boston evening!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 19:55:41 ET
Posted by: Rob, Rochester, NY
Turning Stone Roll Call. Who is going? Where you hanging out? Is there a bar there or do you do the parking lot thang?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 19:55:19 ET
Posted by: Rob, Rochester, NY
Turning Srone Roll Call. Who is going? Where you hanging out? Is there a bar there or do you do the parking lot thang?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 19:52:27 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, West Laughalot
Dearest Dandom...
Long time. Much sorry.
Big changes: Note NEW EMAIL above.
Hoops: Please make any adjustments from "steamroller"
to the new email. Incredibly, ELVIS.COM simply dropped
their email service after umpteen years. Wow.
So good to see the '007 band,
upfront with KidClean once again!
KC: Nawlins turned out a no-go, but we enjoyed the
afternoon crabbin' on Pontchartrain with friends.
Then ran into Matt & Gail on Bourbon! Long run home.
You'll get yer Heavy-T at Summerfest though!
Can't make it to Toledo...and it looks like CHI/Milw
may be tough too. Midweek sucks hard for me.
Love to all!
IGTN????!! Damn, bruthahs & sistahs!! Kickass!
Mwah,
Keith
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 19:30:38 ET
Posted by: What I Like About You!,
Jimmy Marinos of the ROMANTICS
Simultaneously Superb vocal and percussive talents......
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 18:16:54 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, with juanita taquito
Oh my GOD!!! That F troop clip with Lowell and Ritchie totally made my day! Thank you for sharing that. I am a huge Little Feat fan from way back. Lowell George is and always will be the best slide guitar player that ever existed. That was so great!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 17:46:40 ET
Posted by: Newerker , May 23, 5:44, Waxing Gibbous 7:27 p.m. EST
Goot one Tuba. Taylor is amazing (period). Time to spin. zoom
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 17:33:13 ET
Posted by: Gene Krupa,
I think we can all be grateful for that.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 17:16:37 ET
Posted by: tuba110, perry, ohio
Best singing drummers;
1. Levon Helm, listen to his playing on songs like "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." It's so subtle, but it's soooo right.
2. Roger Taylor (Queen,) no matter what crazy harmony Freddie had him singing, he could always nail it and never miss a beat on any of those 40 or so drums he used in the '70s!
3. Don Henley, not the most flashy drummer, but he can sing great and keeps awesome time while doing it.
BTW, to the person who said Phil Collins, he only sings and plays during In the Air Tonight, the rest of the time, he's only doing one or the other :)
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 16:33:34 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Boilynn that's Berlin with dialect
Dimskip great find Steely playing Reelin' on those DVDs; but , dudette, your post is like advertising a catering service or advertising yourself as a chef-on-the-go on FineCooking's async discussion--a move considered gauche and usually attacked. Sorry for my adaptive ways.
All the same, kudos to SD for being playahs. I personally am interested in buying the karoke of Reelin' where I just know I can get the whole deck party singin along. hehe Later. Yawn Come on moon--I got a date with a dog. hehe
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 16:08:08 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259493
"The Midnight Special" on DVD...
TORONTO -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Showcasing some of the greatest musical artists of the era, Burt Sugarman's groundbreaking late-night television concert show, "The Midnight Special," will be available in retail stores on DVD from Video Service Corp (VSC) on June 5, 2007. Featuring live performances from the show's first four seasons, 1973-1976, the four DVDs incorporate an eclectic lineup including The Bee Gees, KISS, Rod Stewart, Aretha Franklin with Ray Charles, Barry White, Gordon Lightfoot, Aerosmith, Anne Murray, Steely Dan, Elton John and Diana Ross, as well as comedic performances from such classic artists as Freddie Prinze, Gabe Kaplan and George Carlin. Each DVD has a suggested retail price of $19.98 and has been remastered in Dolby® 5.1 Surround Sound, making the performances sound better than the original airings!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 15:51:11 ET
Posted by: Newerker, hardly workin
thx Raj: Right and Richie Hayward and Lowell George as "The Bedbugs" were ahead of their time, just like Steely Dan.
Even though Hayward is not singing, you can catch these pre-featers as "The Factory" on YouTube, L. George. Hayward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcAX3tymeCQ&mode=related&search=
Right and "Gimme a Stone" w/ Hayward on lead vocals and playing is also on YouTube.
On DVDR this morning, I compared Henley on "Hotel" w/ Eagles Live with Levon's work in The Last Waltz, and I think Levon's drum/sing is more complex--though both are great in their own right. Joe Walsh gives a neat interview on that Eagles Live discussing the band's choice of songs for concerts. He says that the band "feels" the audience response when they play the hits. and more.
Don't miss Bedbugs I and II on F Troop. Later!
Good ones at Portsmouth, VA, folks. .
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 15:42:15 ET
Posted by: Droppin By, Drop It
Those of us a little more plugged in know that KC sings on some of his gigs.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 15:05:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This is amusing on singing drummers:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/top5/singing_drummers.shtml
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 14:16:21 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
A Fan
This couldn't be ...your email address is that correct? Been trying to contact you. Please shoot me an email asap
Thanks
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 14:07:17 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
Ya can't mention singing drummers without including my personal all-time favorite... Buddy Miles.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 13:50:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
As much as I hate to cop to it, Don Henley does warble his way through a number of songs live. But again he's just shufflin along, does a fill when he pauses. He might be the best at it. No wait, Levon Helm. Whew, that was close.
And I don't know what that reviewer guy Christgau is smokin but Aja, "their emptiest record..," blah blah?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 13:25:58 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
I remember from those Night Ranger videos on MTV that the drummer used to sing. At least they made it appear so in the videos.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 13:11:28 ET
Posted by: bobbo, stoked about Heavy Rollers
Hey All,
Sounds like Boston was a must-see...twice in a row! Just wanted to agree with the previous poster about a live recording from this tour...for posterity's sake, this particular lineup of musicians is SO FINE to experience on stage...I'm telling you: that's where the next big payday would be, and plenty left over for the Next Dan Studio Album. Don't you think?
Godamighty, I absolutely dig what the Boys are doing, these days...'nother great year in the Age of Dan. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:31:07 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Vinnie C - go to www.audiophileimports.com and you can check out some clips...at least they used to have audio clips available. If you're a Vinnie fan it's a "must have!" As most anything Vinnie's ever drummed on is! The Royal Dan is 10 Dan tunes that 10 different guitar monsters have a go at. The songs are basically more fusion/jazz structured. Mike Stern, Al DiMeola, Jimmy Herring, Steve Lukather, etc. are some of the guitarists who contribute.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:29:16 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
Another Boston review.
http://www.patriotledger.com/articles/2007/05/30/life/life02.txt
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:19:43 ET
Posted by: A Fan,
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cdrev/steely-rs.php
"I can name many saxophonists I'd rather hear 100 seconds of than Walt Weiskopf, who plays the inflated intro to the climactic title tune."
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:14:51 ET
Posted by: Vinne C,
what is the Royal Dan tribute that Vinnie plays on?? I HAVE to hear this. THanks!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:14:39 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
Thanks for the tip on the Heads Up Superband. I will have to order this CD. http://headsup.com/albums/3046.asp
I now have the thrill of realizing that I am only two degrees of separation from Steely Dan! I have played with Pittsburgh's own Kenny Blake when he sat in with a buddy of mine, Mark Pipas, on a night when I was on keys. Mark is a guitarist/keyboardist/vocalist and is the quintessential bar band entertainer who can do anything from Sinatra to The Who convincingly. Kenny Blake is a killer tenor player who happened to be in the audience and came up for a few songs. Didn't know he had played with Keith Carlock, but he was in a well known band called Cabo Frio for a while.
Mark also used Mickey Shine, the drummer who played on Elvis Costello's first album, and I got to play with him a few times as well. That's as close as I ever got to rock royalty, I suppose.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:13:43 ET
Posted by: ww,
Walt plays beautifully on EMG. It's obvious he is very skilled. He played the part as it should have been. But that doesn't stop me from liking, say, the FM solo more- or the Deacon Blues solo. The EMG/Aja solo is a totally different kind of solo than the FM/Deacon solo. The FM/Deacon solo speaks to me more. It says something- whereas the EMG solo is more of a mood establisher. Again- I guess that's what fit the song. Anyhow, at least live, WW usually just blows fast notes that do not speak- at least to me.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:06:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
He also claims to have subbed in for Ringo on Beatles' records which has never beeen substantiated in any way. Ringo was limited but he had that backbeat thing down.
Weiskopf doesn't sing to your satisfaction on Everything Must Go?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:04:32 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pittsburgh,
Singing drummers:
1. Levon Helm - great singer, subtle but effective drummer.
2. Richie Hayward of Little Feat - amazing, funky and technically proficient drummer, also sings a lot of high harmony and takes the lead vocal on a tune called "Gimme a Stone" that has a fairly complex drum patern.
3. Nicole Falzone - drums like a monster, sings like Bonnie Raitt, at the same time. Heard her with the Subdudes' Tommy Malone in a three-piece band that sounded like six people. Her solo stuff is too slick for me but an impressive talent.
LisaG:
Yes, I stumbled across that Zappa quote recently myself:
"The contemporary 'harmony textbook' is the embodiment of those evils, in catalog form. When I was handed my first book and told to do the exercises, I hated the sound of the 'sample passages.' I studied them anyway. If something is hateful, you should at least know what it is you're hating so you can avoid it in the future.
Many compositions that have been accepted as "GREAT ART" through the years reek of these hateful practices. For example, the rule of harmony that says: The second degree of the scale should go to the fifth degree of the scale, which should go to the first degree of the scale [II-V-I].
Tin Pan Alley songs and jazz standards thrive on II-V-I. To me, this is a hateful progression. In jazz, they beef it up a little by adding extra partials into the chords to make them more luxurious, but it's still II-V-I. To me, II-V-I is the essence of bad 'white-person music.'
(One of the most exciting things that ever happened in the world of 'white-person music' was when the Beach Boys used the progression V-II on "Little Deuce Coupe." An important step forward by going backward.)" - FZ, from The Real Frank Zappa Book, entire book online at http://pierroule.com/ZappaRealBook/TheRFZBook.htm but go buy a copy anyway.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:00:22 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Raj
Great story about Bernard and while funny a little sad - he's a great drummer but a little forgetful to say the least.
Hal Blaine and Jim Gordon were Brian Wilson's drummers of choice - I think Dennis knew which side his bread was buttered and let big brother Brian and the Wrecking Crew get on with it.
As for Bernard playing every track on Dennis's solo album - what a load of old b******s
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:43:29 ET
Posted by: ww bash, nowhere
I second the thoughts on Walt Weiskopf's proclivity to noodle rather than sing constructed phrases.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:22:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Funny you should mention Dennis Wilson. I get on an elevator at the Danfest in Cincy a couple years ago and on walks Bernard Purdie who came to speak and sit in with the Tribute band. I chatted him up, blowing large volumes of heated air up his nether regions basically, about all those hits he played on in the 60s with Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Louis Armstrong, (remember a song called "Sunny" by one-hit wonder Bobby Hebb, I discovered what groove meant with that little ditty), Aretha, Miles (Bitches Brew, BTW)and he mentions the Beach Boys. And how some of those faux-drummers from the 60s would get understandably upset when Purdie showed up on the record instead of their half-assed efforts. Not so Dennis Wilson, nope, he didn't mind apparently. But even wilder, Wilson I guess did some very irrelevant solo album later and Purdie related that he played on every single track. Dennis was cool with it. I dunno but maybe that's being a little too cool with it.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:21:51 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
VINNIE is the drummer on Negative Girl from TvN - its his only released effort although I am guessing that he did some more track on the TvN sessions that never saw the light of day
He is however the drummer on the Royal Dan tribute - his interpretation of Aja is a treat
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:13:27 ET
Posted by: HornsgoWiddly,
"Drummers, drummers...dontcha just love 'em? Everyone in a band wants to go widdlywiddlywiddly but its only the drummers who somehow think it is a good thing and that the other musicians are just getting in the way. There is only so much space in the sound, drum-people! A solo player can do what they want, a duo have to at least halve the number of notes they play, a quartet at least halve again -I say at least because the amount of implied music grows with a complex interaction. "
C-Willie- a little pretentious are we? If you really listen to most solos, I think it's more TRUE that HORNS go WIDDLYWIDDLYWIDDLY than the drummer. For example, too many times does Walt Weipskopf play these fast runs that say NOTHING but WIDDLYWIDDLYWIDDLy. He'll have a great idea, and then just lose it. So many guys need to take a lesson from CORNELIUS BUMPUS. He's the only guy SD had who could really recreate a solo as meaningful as the ones on the albums. Eric Marienthal blows me away too- now that guy can be technical and meaningful. Just wish he didn't play as much smooth jazz.
Second question- VINNIE COLAIUTA. Can someone give me a history of his history with SD???? This is incredible- I never knew that the most capable drummer in the history of mankind has played with SD!! I guess that's not a surprise.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:09:30 ET
Posted by: heymike,
Mick Fleetwood??
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:07:27 ET
Posted by: heymike, no son of mine
Phil Collins
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:05:46 ET
Posted by: Someset Maughn, @ Opium Jag.org
so....as I was saying, Becker was anxious to get out of the studio, carrying, as he said, a large garbage bad filled with god knows what.....they ended up at a small fm station with an acetate of "Were you Blind that Day" and "Black Cow {so outrageous]" and ended up debuting the Aja opener to an nsuspecting Sunday nite crowd listening at the Sopwith Camel club......
FYI- Donald is going through his second Saturn Return......so he may well end up joining Karl Wallinger for a new album in '08!
Becker will joing Eddie Lundon during his 'Return in 2009........
but I digress.......
Ajia....was a girl.........
Becker: "Fagen claims to have known a girl named Aja.....I.....doubt it"
...."It's not just another way of spelling A S I A"
............"Welcome....To The World of Steely Dan"............Eartha Kitt (1978 tv commercial)
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 11:02:21 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Dennis Wilson - Beach Boys (in the Karen Carpenter mould tho) and not sure he ever did both at once come to think of it ;-)
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 10:44:54 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta
Don Henley. ;-)
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 10:41:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
And so our Fezman proceeds into Steely Dan lore, hope somebody caught that Kodak moment for posterity. Bust out that Danny for the man, Hoops. Might as well wear the outfit again tonight, Fezo...
Singing and playing are extremely difficult, one or the other usually suffers. Jack Bruce, Macca, Sting, David Gilmore, Boz are the gifted ones. Piano players seem to do well, Elton, Diana Krall lately. But playing drums and singing is just a physical impossibility, I wasn't ever considering that in my argument. Sinatra used to say that the most important element in his singing was achieving a certain "stillness," so forget it when it comes to a singing drummer. Who's ever done it? Karen Carpenter, yeah, great singer but she wasn't really playing much, I mean maybe a number or two just as a sideshow, like Ringo but, unless you're just spinning the brushes around to Tea for Two, fougettabou...
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 09:45:29 ET
Posted by: Andrew, Rumson
Steely Dan needs to play more general admission venues. Sitting down at their shows is like wearing a straight jacket. My guess is that they prefer assigned seats so they can optimize ticket revenue. Personally, I would have a better experience if I could stand. But then again, at 32, I am on the younger side of the fanbase.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 09:33:04 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Thinking about it - how about the whole of Bitches Brew?????
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 09:11:07 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
To clarify number 1 job - I mean holding down a groove. Not many do that better than Keith!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 09:09:14 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
C Willie - the first piece of music that came to my mind where two musicians are "having a go" at it and it kind of sounds like they're doing they're own thing but it works and it's tighter than a gnats ass is on the Chick Corea Elektric Band cd called INSIDE OUT. Chick and Weckl do something together toward the end of the cd (can't remember the name of the track) and it's just killin'!!
In feeling the need to reiterate: I love Carlock's playing! He can groove his natural ass off!! And that's basically the number 1 drum job in that particular chair with SD. I'd just like to see him take that chop and make it plural.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:44:05 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
C Willie
Shorter's sax solo - yes one of the true 'moments' in recorded history - sorry just being a drummer.
As for other pieces of music - two spring to mind
1. Roxy Music - Remake/Remodel - when guitar, sax and synthesiser are going for it hell for leather in the instrumental sections - not technical like Shorter, Graydon et al but just a maelstrom of noise and music.
2. Beach Boys - God Only Knows - the intro up to the first verse vocal - the instrumental combination topped off by the French horn makes me cry every time exquisite
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:30:19 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Well all i can say is WOW!!!.To say it was a special night for me is an incredible understatement,to be recognized like that by the band and from donald in particular will be a memory i will carry with me always,thanks to all my danfan friends for sharing their laughter,hugs and kisses and libations throughout the afternoon and evening,it is so good to see you all for any reason but particularly at tour time.The good new's we get to do it all again today!!!will see you all this afternoon and thanks again for your kindness and good wishes,love you all.....fezzie........Oh yeah!1 the concert was pretty good too!!!!! lol
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:28:09 ET
Posted by: Newerker, ofc.
2 dgs: Your English is improving--keep tryin' hehe Take heart--the "alrighty" is out of town and we get you dipped (rum raisin for moi) and tonight can get queer and howl at the moon. Whatdoyasay?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:22:11 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, back yard
I'd love to sink my teeth into that last one, but I must dig a hole first. woof (that's dog talk for whoops).
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:15:21 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks for reminding me about the Carlock CD again Doc
I guess that I need to buy it
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:13:13 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
Negative, Colincam - Becker has poetry in his playing. Herington lacks his sensitivity. Becker makes you listen to every note, Herington is a good solid sideman for playing those difficult riffs, but I prefer Becker's solos every time.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:08:25 ET
Posted by: Colincam, Maine
Great show last night as expected. Only complaint is too much Becker guitar.It all sounds the same. Herrington has been relegated to the back burner.They should let him cook much more. He can blow Walter out the door.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 07:44:42 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Groovyland
What a night. Beautiful Venue. The setlist was changed up from the Mohegan Show by a couple of songs. This is good for the fans and the band and by the time the tour is playing down under who knows what they may be playing (dr.wu)? Am I right that the players are a little looser this tour. D and W are letting the players highlight their abilities thru out the whole show on all the songs. I really like it. Makes for me a very full bodied show. Great to see Boston Rag, Sponge Bill, Mark and the FEZMAN.
Congrats to the FEZMAN for getting his props from Don and Walt!!! FEZMAN even got the Hot White Spot Treatment to go with his recgognition by the boys and the band. Hey FEZ, how's cloud nine?
The Boston crowed really showed their support thru the whole show and Don was very animated at the end showing his thanks. That's my take anyway.
As we where heading away from the venue to the highway the tour busses pulled up next to us. We waved and the windows in the second bus out of three opened. No, it wasn't Don or Walt or any recgognizable band member. But we yelled "One more song". They laughed and we exchanged thumbs up. For you lucky ones you'll get another whole Steely Dan Show tonight. Have Fun!!!!!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 07:39:34 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
Richard, re. Aja - interesting that you name-check Gadd, I name-check Shorter - I talk about the sax, you about the drums - that piece of music is a rare event where two great players are *simultaneously* flying and it proves its multi-dimensionality in that different listeners can simultaneously hear each part as a solo - i.e. with the rest of the band supporting it. Truly an epic moment in music.
I'd love to hear recommendationas about similar events in recording history, where more than one soloist is as free as that, and somehow it adds up to a coherent whole as tight as a piece of written music. Anyone?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 07:19:17 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
Review of Boston show.
http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=1003752
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 07:07:32 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
C Willie
Gadd's solo on AJA is a work of art and I don't think it will be surpassed
Dennis Chambers, Keith Carlock and Vinnie are among the greats who have done their thing on AJA - all different, all paying respect but each adding their own.
Its a question we drummers all ask - "what did (insert name of drummer) do with Aja last night?"
Good points about the band - personally I would like to see SD perform as a quintet in small clubs - DF on Rhodes, WB on guitar, Weiskopf on sax, Washingon on bass and Carlock on drums and do just what you suggest - let everyone blow on their tunes like the old days - Deacon Blues anyone.
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 06:40:21 ET
Posted by: 2dgs, morning swim in the bay
Hi all: Long time no post. Unreal discussion. I'm inspired. Thanks, you know who, for confirming the Dan's evil tendancies. The beaux strategum has my interest. haha. And don't you all think think this "off the leash" idea is a little bit of a myth?
LisaG: re: I’ll be dipped if he didn’t turn the beat around. (Love your choice of words) it's great that the SD posers could cover their tracks.
I am inspired to quote the great late bass/guitarist virtuoso David W. Hudson (Estrn' Sho' MD) who noted during one of our late-night jams that when a bass player plays a wrong note, it can be heard all the way to Ecuador. Mark my words, this is so true, Dave, rip, you "punched a whole in the night time."
On a different note, someone mentioned that singing while bass playing was the most difficult task for a musician. "I think I disagree." It has to be more difficult playing drums and singing--don't know why, but I theorize that this may be a truer hypothesis. (These idears were discussed in two different thread earlier on Blue.)
The discipline of playing and singing together is a phenomenon. It begins with extreme concentration and keen focus and perhaps becomes more intuitive with time and improved proficiency, right? Seems as if many more bass players than drummers can pull off incredible complex playing and singing--several muscians easily come to mind; but drummers seem to (and my observation is very limited) to retreat to playin' something less complex while singing--maybe not always and perhaps this is so because simpliflying the drum line may be a matter of logistical necessity. My pt. is that it seems as it's rarer that drummers can "break on through to the other side," maintaining incredible complex rhythms while singing. Any takers?
If a drummer/singer can achieve that benchmark, then I say "flat" hats off to those who have broken on through.
It took years to comfortably for me to do both--strum a guitar and sing at the same time, and I still struggle. Says a lot, egh? Throw this dg a bone.
hugs from j&j&j
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 06:35:56 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
Richard, yes I take your point, when I've played with good drummers I'm often surprised by their wisdom when it comes to leaving out fills. A groove is an elusive thing, often it relies on something like the sustain on the bass, the best grooves are full of implied playing and when you listen it's just conjoured up out of a couple of cool moves. "Space is my lover" - that's a nice way of putting it.
Back to the Carlock/SD debate, the extraordinary drumming in the recorded Aja is the perfect foil to Wayne Shorter's shattering slow-rising sax line. Flash forward 30 years and it turns into "let KC have a couple of minutes blowing" (and he has been very high in the mix when I've seen them this tour) - a great deal of the ambiguous beauty of the song has been lost, and the original masterstroke gets wheeled out as a gimmick.
SD are at a crossroads - if they are to genuinely capture the sophistication of their records live, I think they need, paradoxically, to let them go and become a proper live band which changes its performance from night to night - the possibility of intelligent extemporisation is there in the talent on stage and the fact that the songs themselves are a well-known shared reference. But if they insist on strict reproduction of the majority of the songs, then the times when individuals are allowed, singly, to come up with something new are going to jar against that. If they were led by a star in the James Brown mould, then iron discipline would have its place, but DF and WB are primarily songwriters and producers, so the onstage thing really has to have a collective feel.
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 06:31:10 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Absotively a fantastic night and show last night--- I love these guys!!!! I'm glad the weather will hold out again tonight--- sorry not to meet others from the Blue, except at the end of the show last night introducing myself to the celebrity Fezman.... what a treat for him to be part of the show!
Have fun tonight everyone!
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 05:19:50 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
C Willie
Yep - less is more when it comes to drumming and space is my lover
All the great SD recordings have drummers who know how to play less to great effect - the best example for me is Black Cow - just superb. Actually TVN, EMG and MTC are in that style - not a lot of widdlydiddlying at all.
But to pick you up on one point - its often the other musicians (normally guitarists) in a band who turn to the drummer and say "can't you do something there - you know a roll thingy - like the beginning of the national anthem (God Save The Queen)"
I make a point at some band rehearsals of not playing any fills of any description at all, just the groove - you should see the look on everyone's faces - I love it - they get lost
"What happened to that roll thing"? "Don't worry, it'll be along next week" - hahahaha
And while I am at it - stick a click track on them and boy do I have fun during the intros!!! - hahahaha
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 04:32:12 ET
Posted by: Travelling Minstrel, The Southland
Some thoughts about the great setlist debate from someone new to the blue, but a long time (australian) dan fan.....
Maybe some of the problem with the boredom which has been expressed by long time and inveterate SD concert goers is as a result of the riches which lie in the SD back catalogue, as opposed to some other bands who might have albums (showing my age there!) made up of a few "hit" singles and then a bunch o' crap filler. When bands like that tour there is a clamour for the hits, but perhaps not so much for the filler.
Whilst not suggesting that a band like the Beatles were guilty of producing filler, I guess I have a hard time thinking that if they were touring today there would be signs in the crowd saying "Play Lovely Rita Meter Maid". Or I am I wrong?
Now this will reveal my bias towards SD but I can't name too many SD tunes that I would class as "filler"- indeed the "deep cuts" are just as good, if not better than the hits- and there is our problem- what do you leave out?
Finally, I can't wait until September when we in Oz will have our first chance ever to complain about the setlist!
To other Australians- should I make the effort (not inconsiderable) to try to get to the Hunter Valley show?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 04:23:55 ET
Posted by: C Willie, France
Drummers, drummers...dontcha just love 'em? Everyone in a band wants to go widdlywiddlywiddly but its only the drummers who somehow think it is a good thing and that the other musicians are just getting in the way. There is only so much space in the sound, drum-people! A solo player can do what they want, a duo have to at least halve the number of notes they play, a quartet at least halve again -I say at least because the amount of implied music grows with a complex interaction.
Music with such vast lyrical, melodic and harmonic value as SD really needs a drummer with a subtle touch. That's why it took the likes of Purdie to pull their great studio recordings off. True genius plays less, making each tiny sound absolutely count. It's about listening to the rest of the sound, not just exercising your chops, and its a rare drummer who fully appreciates that.
Just for comparison, my Dad was a jazz drummer back before WW2 - he would shake his head listening to my rock records and say "in my day, the best compliment you could pay to a drummer was that you didn't even notice he was there until he stopped playing".
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 04:08:00 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Thanks to all those who responded with the music theory - It will take some time but I think I will get there in the end - something to impress my bandmates with - hahaha
However I was delighted to see the conversation switch to drumming stuff - a couple of things from this side of the pond
Glad to see KC getting the credit he deserves in the MD poll - I'd be happy to be the top guy after Gadd and Vinnie
DF has been quoted as saying he keeps KC on the leash in the studio and lets him off on stage - witness Third World Man on the DF tour
KC's chop - yes he does have one like every other drummer - his is all about 16th note melodies between bass drum and snare as he puts it - check out the tag of Lunch with Gina, the live version of AJA, the end of I Got The News live, etc - he also has a big New Orleans swampy thing going on - its there in TvN with an underlying clave feel on the snare plus the samba bass drum pattern and a shuffly thing on the ride - its cool but requires more than a bit of practice.
His other big thing is his left hand and the constant 16th note grace notes - very often swung - now that is tricky while doing steady 8th on the hi hat.
KC also grooves like a mother - something that is an essential part of any Dan tune
As well as Rudder, Keith is all over Leni Stern's last few albums and plays in a gentler style. He also has a blast on Jane Getter's album (Run Run Run I think it called) and Diana Ross's latest album (not sure about this but hey) among others.
I don't think we can compare KC with Gadd, Porcaro, Marotta, Greene, Purdie etc. They were and are all some of the greatest drummers that have ever lived and they all brought their own thing to Steely Dan as does Keith - Gadd/Aja, Purdie/Home at Last and Sisters, Ed Greene/News, Porcaro/Gaucho, Marotta/Peg and TOOM - and they probably wouldn't have sounded the same if the track had been done by someone else - that discussion about Second Arrangement springs to mind as well as Purdie and Peg (witness the making of DVD - doesn't sound right to me).
What we should be thankful for is that Don and Walt are able to call on some of the best players around to - Weiskopf, Washington, Pugh etc etc and that in Carlock they have, to quote Elliott Scheiner, "one of the best drummers who has ever lived".
I for one am going to enjoy my SD gig this year in the UK and will be keeping a close eye on KC
Lisa - hope this isn't to drummery for you oh and by the way anyone wanting to know if KC can play 'normal' jazz can I suggest they refer to the standards that SD have been opening their shows with since 2003.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 01:17:18 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Guernsey Fair
security joan: Nice to “meet” you. Thing is…I totally don’t remember if Herington plays the same exact solo every time as it never occurred to me to listen for that very thing in the few concerts I have attended. I do remember heeding this very solo during the last show for some strange reason, however…maybe the Dan gods were setting me up to later rebut in blue? :-P I agree with your comments about Herington bringing something fresh to the fray.
G’Day Scotty and thanks for the thoughts. So many peeps I haven’t met here…I remember when this place sprang up from yellower pastures. Nice to see folks dressed in blue, which happens to be my favorite color.
angel! My angel! I’ve missed you g/f. Long time. I’ve lived a lifetime and then some since we last cut the dance-floor. Hope all is well with you. :-D Still out west?
Mike F, in NYC: Good luck with your ticket hunt. Looking forward to the Beacon. First time for me there.
Bostonfesters: Woo hoo!!! Hope you’re having a blast. (Now can any of you Bostonites do something to stop that baseball team of yours? At least throw us a pitcher. Love, Yankees Fans)
Richard: “drummers language.” Hahahaha! I didn’t make a joke, I swear. Yes I totally believe Herington is more than capable of inventing an entirely original solo in Peg or any tune. But there is something to be said for those who can re-invent someone else’s ideas. That is quality performance.
BillfromPgh: thanks for the skinny. I remembered reading on one of two new Dan albums that Fagen pretty much did the arrangements along with Leonhart. But the stage arrangements are to die for. I sometimes wish the horns were higher up in the studio mixes, but that’s just me. Half of the gloriousness of these shows is in those supporting parts you get in the horns and the backing vocals. And only with music can you have such a palette in which to create the texture and rhythmic romps. If you don’t like the selections, listen to the arrangements. They are worth the price of admission all on their own. Now speaking of Zappa, when are they gonna open with “The Black Page?” Oh they can hire a keyboard percussionist. Or just have Young do it on synths. :-P
TJ: Nice post. Simple, elegant, perfect for those who speak “drummers language.” I couldn’t resist. :-D
Now how many SD tunes follow the blues progression as a basic structure or at least the I-IV-V (with or without substitutions)? And how many of them do we not really notice doing that? I want to sit down and start keeping a list—in all my free time. :-P Actually, it shouldn’t take long and it’s the kind of homework that is fun.
Speaking of Zappa, again, didn’t he have an all-out hatred for the ii-V-I?
Rajah: On the topic of great SD drummers of the past…even the “great ones” have their flaws. A few years back, Purdie sat in with the Steely Damned at the Rock Hall fest in NYC, and I’ll be dipped if he didn’t turn the beat around on a tune—the exact one escapes me. The Damned’s guitarist confirmed it later--if I’m inspired, I’ll check my email archives. The band is so professional that they did a nice cover-up and continued on without, well, missing a beat. Now on the topic of SD holding Carlock back? Well that could very possibly be the truth. He sometimes seems like he can hold down some of what they dish out, but other times, he seems to be going through the motions. Perhaps he’s not entirely in his element?
Steelydoc: Carlock played at the Berks? Hmmm, does he do any straight-ahead jazz?
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 01:03:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, somewhere near boston; not at my email laptop
Setlist--hope I got this right:
Jeri (Just the band)
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19 - (Walter again, even newer story)
Haitian Divorce ( Walter on vox )
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I Got the News
Dirty Work ( Gilrs on vox )
Josie (band intros near the end )
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn (just the band)
This is the first I have gotten to see Steely Dan since Chumash. I thought the playing was superior to last year; they played for about two hours. Sure it can never be long enough unless they play the entire catalog but this was very satisfying! They just keep getting better.
I was very pleased and it was well worth the trip and all. Looking forward to tonight for the second Boston show.
THE HIGHLIGHT: Paul "The Fezman" Mahoney wore his white tux and white fez again tonigtht. Paul won a couple of Dannys for it in 2004. Tonight Donald very much noticed it and had the audience acknowledge him. Paul stood on his chair and a spot was placed on him. Paul's been floating every since. Applause to Paul!
More tomorrow.
Jim
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007, 00:17:32 ET
Posted by: Kirschwasser, NY
Who's going to the Turning Stone show this Friday? I'm pretty excited...the opportunity to win some samoleans AND see the Dan.
I know I'll get bashed, but I'd love to hear 'em do My Old School. Tired? Yeah, sure...I mean, they've been closing shows with it for like 20 years. But is there a better way to close? I don't feel like Bodhisattva would measure up.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 23:25:45 ET
Posted by: Your Name Here,
Rajah, point taken. Carlock, under different circumstances, would blow the roof off the joint. But he's a professional and he does what is required of him. Same as any other in that rare strata of A-listers.
I mean, you dont hear Gadd wailing away through groovy solos on his Janis Ian work, for instance. And Paul Simon's stuff didn't really give him a lot of opportunites to show off his chops, apart from a cool drum duet with Robin DiMaggio. And even that didn't generate the audience response that the 2003 Josie solo brought.
Keith, like all the other bandmembers, does what his bandleaders want him to do...
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:48:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah, don't get me wrong
We love Keith, we value Keith. But we wonder whether Keith would be better served bringing his considerable talents to bear within the confines of a jazz ensemble. He must be bored silly with the Steely Dan tour by now. Let's just be honest here.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:45:33 ET
Posted by: Spoiler2, pulse of the nation
Wake me up when they play "Change Of The Guard"...
Talk about fuckin' THICKHEADED!
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:35:17 ET
Posted by: Your Name Here,
Keith Carlock was just voted #3 BEST ALL-AROUND DRUMMER in the 2007 Modern Drummer Readers Poll [following Steve Gadd and Vinnie Colaiuta]. He also was named #2 BEST POP DRUMMER. Last year Carlock won #2 Best All Around, just behind Steve Gadd.
'nuff said.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:30:44 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
Rajah:
I left a post about Rudder a while back when I got the CD in the mail....I certianly do not have all the knowledge and technical expertise of many of you guys on the Blue to write a prolific review...but I know what I like...and, suffice it to say, the disc is great...my favorite song is called "Stablemaster"...check the samples out on itunes, listening to a few would provide a better experience than reading my limited writing skills!
It's great to hear KC in a non-Steely situation...and live, it was a real treat to see him, Joe McBride and Gerald Veasley do the Ray Charles tribute in late 2005 in Reading, PA. They had a great, tight band, and Joe McBride was tremendous on piano and vocals. The Heads Up website has a CD of the Heads Up Super Band with Carlock, Veasley, McBride and kenny Blake:
http://headsup.com/index.html
PS Rajah, send me an email, I want to send you a Steely treat in the mail...
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:24:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
There ya go Doc.
JJ, I cannot disagree with your evaluation, every player has his limitations, the crutches leaned on when things get tight. Hate to say this but maybe Steely Dan is holding Keith back.
I know, heresy.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:15:24 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near da Tower
Rajah: send me your email address....
Doc
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:07:45 ET
Posted by: grooveanddoubles,
Josey- you're right. but only a drummer would notice.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 22:03:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah we do.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 21:48:55 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
It Could Only Happen To A Steely Dan Fan.....
So I'm in Rockford today and tomorrow on business. Got into town about an hour before my appointment and decided to stop at Oscar's for a vodka and grapefruit juice. Sitting at the bar, having a smoke and reading my magazine when the waitress comes up and says, "What do you want for your shot?" I asked her what shot that would be and she says, "Bob down at the end of the bar wants to buy you a shot." I look down the bar, have no idea who Bob is, and one of the other guys points him out. I ask him what this is all about, he points to the parking lot and says, "You are Doctor Wu, aren't you?" Aha, my license plate! I admit to being Wu, and Bob says, "I just wanted to buy a shot for a good Steely Dan fan." Couldn't happen to an Aerosmith, Journey, Styx, or Black Sabbath fan!! Steely Dan fans rock.
Wu
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 21:03:39 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rajah, check your email. Sent you a reply there.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 20:28:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Voila! Ask and ye shall receive, Rudder it is then, thanks Doc.
By the same old chop I gather you mean that rimshot left he whips around when changing gears while giving that kickdrum a work-out, no, JJ? I do like the way he goes all quiet then comes gator-flopping back. He builds the solo in Aja nicely. Let's give him his due, he's very strong. And Derr Schtingle called on him when Vinnie was busy, now that's quite a compliment. Sting has, shall we say, some issues with drummers and getting a guy who takes direction well and is easy to deal with helps a lot. Keith is bank back there, all business. Very interested to hear his record, does he show more than he does with Steely Dan? Whaddya say, Doc, give us a preview of the KC disc...
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 20:07:45 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area
Keith Carlock is the best drummer to TOUR with Steely Dan in their various new-since-1993 orchestras.
Jeff Porcaro for sure was excellent in the original days.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 19:45:05 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
It's not the first time I've mentioned this here, but my only gripe with Carlock is his insistence on sticking with that same damn chop he throws at us, or sometimes a slight variation of it, but it's essentially the same move, when he's stretching out a bit. And while I think it's a pretty cool lick, it's definitely his "go to" move anytime he gets to cut loose. I've heard it a multitude of times with SD, you can hear it all over his website, or go to drummerworld.com and click on his link and you can see a bunch of it there...it's basically the same thing. On the other hand, I think he grooves about as well as any other SD drummer - and at the end of the day - that's basically his number 1 job. I love watching him play! I love hearing him groove! If I wanted to hear a wide variety of drum licks, he's probably not the guy I'm looking for. Just my opinion.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 19:35:38 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of the Tower
Rajah:
Keith Carlock has a NEW CD out with his band RUDDER...there's a link on www.keithcarlock.com so you can order online....I got it a couple of weeks ago and it's great...it's certainly different from a SD album, so it's a great opportunity for all here to hear KC do something other than SD tunes...
You can hear some of the CD on itunes as well, and Keith's website has a list of all of his CDs.
KC's also on the Heads Up Superband: Live at the Berks Jazz Fest CD, which I also recommend. I haven't seen his small club shows in NYC, but was able to catch him at Gerald Veasley's club in Reading, PA, about 18 months ago, where Carlock, Veasley, Joe McBride and band did an evening of Ray Charles material....a great show, and we were able to sit less than 10 feet from KC...an amazing experience.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 18:14:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
A few days ago someone posted that they were of the opinion that Keith Carlock was the best drummer Steely Dan has ever had. Let's not be so hasty. I will agree he might be the most entertaining and fun to watch but Bernard Purdie and Jeff Porcaro were pretty darn fair in their heydays. Steve Gadd, Rick Marotta as well, these guys remain the pros pros. Jim Hodder had his limitations and Jim Gordon was solid but unspectacular. Keith's a great live performer, he's explosive and very much in control of the band, no mean feat. But those other guys had lots of finesse. The famous Purdie shuffle, so adaptable, and all those snaky tricks and poly-rhythms Porcaro had. I don't know if you can say this guy's better than this other guy, the styles are so different. One guy takes a stick and hits a drum with it, it sounds a certain way. Another guy takes the same stick, hits the same drum, sounds totally different. Plus Keith is on a pretty short leash on record here with SD. 2vN is certainly his shining moment so far. KC should bust out and do a jazz record so we can see what kind of level of inventiveness he might show us. Does anybody know if Keith appears on an in-studio record somewhere?
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 16:49:30 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pgh
Touche, TJ. Wonder why Mike didn't do it in the original key, since he still has the range.
Finally, to get the analysis from the horse's mouth, grab a copy of DF and Warren Bernhardt's 1993 instructional video Concepts for Jazz/Rock Piano at http://www.amazon.com/Donald-Fagen-Concepts-Jazz-Piano/dp/B0001WANWW.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 16:31:37 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Bill, I only got it in Fm from last year, when McDonald did the lead. Is that ok? :-)
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 16:22:30 ET
Posted by: Billfrom Pgh,
Good one TJ. That was the simplest SD song that came to mind but I didn't know how to notate the Ebmaj7 in Nashville-style.
Now for a challenge, do the current arrangment in Em with the modulations leading in and out of the solo in Gm, plus the coda!
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 16:16:33 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Example: "Do it Again"
Verse: Gm7 (only one chord all the way)
Chorus: Cm7 - Dm7 - Ebmaj7 - Dm7 - Gm7
Lyrics: Back Jack Do it again Wheel turning.... etc.
Harmonic analysis:
Mode/Key: Gm is the tonic/center/home. Meaning the mode is G Aeolian:
(Aeolian = i iiø bIII iv v bVI bVII = Gm Am(b5) Bb Cm Dm Eb F)
Verse: i7 (To give it a jazzy sound 7s are added = four notes per chord)
Chorus: iv7 - v7 - bVImaj7 - v7 - i7 (HOME)
(It's actually not very simple to explain...)
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 16:14:47 ET
Posted by: BillfromPittsburgh again,
Some fun links to further the chord discussion:
My first Googling of the Santana Secret Chord progression pulled up a reference to the Mu Major Chord! http://www.metafilter.com/25665/Carlos-Santana-Secret-Chord-Progression
which led to this: http://www.kurumi.com/music/
which reminded me of this YouTube rant about the endless variations of Pachelbel's Canon in pop music: http://reddit.com/info/1px4l/comments
"Where's that fatback chord I found?"
(which reminds me of Al Kooper's tale of being the only white guy playing on a B.B. King session in the 60's and suggesting to the drummer that he try a "fatback" beat. The drummer was not amused, to say the least.)
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 15:44:52 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Maybe a better explanation:
http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textr/Romannumeralanalysis.html
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 15:43:47 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
Raj:
I don't know the technical jargon, but can give some examples:
Just about any 12-bar blues or Chuck Berry style rocker is I-IV-V.
A typical 50's doo-wop ballad like Blue Moon is I-vi-IV-V (lower case indicates minor).
A lot of jam-oriented tunes are built around vamps of ii-V (Traffic's Low Spark; Down By The River, Evil Ways... Zappa called this the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression)
Frankly, I can't think of a single SD song that can be crammed into this framework. Maybe "Brooklyn". Even "Dirty Work" has chords that don't fit this nomenclature. Or maybe I'm not using it right. I know that Nashville musicians rely on this notation so they can transpose songs at will, but most Nashville-style tunes stay in the same key and don't get too fancy.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 15:40:33 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Rajahs right. The scale with the seven chords Rajah suggested, is the ionian mode, which is very common in music.
I, II, V etc. indicates major chords and i, ii, v etc. indicates minor.
I is a chord consisting of three notes. I7 has four notes and I9 has 5. (Because a triad consists of 1. + 3. + 5. step in a scale, a 7-chord is 1,3,5,7 and so on)
Different connections between chords are more common than others. For instance the I - IV - V - I is probably the most used progression in music.
This is also called the authentic cadence. An example could be C - F - G - C. C = I is the tonal Center and Home.
Another one is ii - V - I, which is very popular in jazz. Example is dm - G - C. But in jazz (and with Steely Dan) you often use 7 and 9-chords, making it ii9 - V9 - Imaj9 (a major 9) = dm9 - G9 - Cmaj9.
Some examples of Chord progressions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_progressions
Sorry for my bad english. Others might be able to explain it better.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 15:08:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Richard, according to my poor understanding, the Roman numerals I-vii are analytic symbols used to indicate scale degree within any particular key of a chord's root note or bass note, chords being also indentified and notated and talked about in this way.
I = the tonic
ii = the supertonic
iii = mediant
IV = subdominant
V = dominant
vi = submediant
vii = I forget this one...
Not sure if I'm explaining this quite correctly, chime in and help a brotha out but it's something like that...
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 15:08:28 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
LisaG:
I believe Michael Leonhart does the horn arrangements, probably with some input from Donald and Walter. I particularly liked last years' version of Chain Lightning when they took Rick Derringer's original guitar solo and harmonized it for the horn section. (One step beyond Zappa's legendary horn-fueled cover of Stairway to Heaven, which as I recall was just a unison transcription.) I'd love to hear a similar treatment of the synth intro to Your Gold Teeth II.
I agree they have made some tweaks here and there over the years but once an old song has been updated, it tends to stay in its new form except for the improvised solos. One exception is Reelin', which last year started with the Rhodes, then Jon tore into the Elliot Randall intro solo in place of the AIA horn part.
Having songs that an audience demands to hear is a mixed blessing. Those songs pay the bills, but burnout is inevitable. Some artists have reworked their "must play" songs nearly every time out. Van Morrison, for instance, has used many different horn charts and structures for Moondance. Joe Jackson (a huge Dan fan) put several variations of his big hit "Is She Really Going Out With Him" on his live album. Little Feat never plays "Dixie Chicken" the same twice.
Then again, The Who (who I love) still play "Won't Get Fooled Again" over the recorded synth track Townshend created in his basement studio back in 1971, which doesn't leave much room for spontenaiety or innovative arrangement.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 12:22:23 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
A few things
Got my DB Aja 33 1/3 book in the UK last week - a great little piece of work - really enjoyed the song structures bit and the covers section - can somebody explain in drummers language (no jokes please) what the I II III IV etc thing is and what it all means and how it works.
Jon H and Peg - from what I've heard from the UK, I think JH does a great job on the Peg solo - to my ears it stay true to the original but adds a little bit of JH to it - overall he plays some great stuff and I think we are giving him a bit of a hard time without justification.
Set lists - Those of us in the UK haven't had the pleasure of the Dan since 2000 and I for one will be totally happy with the latest setlist and 1 hour 45 of some the the most accomplished playing by any band touring in 2007.
They are changing the arrangements any way - all those horn solos in Godwhacker, the drum extension to News, the trombone solo in Sisters, the DF/WB trades in TOOM, the girls parts at the end of TvN, etc etc.
And finally Aja - I wish they had done that mono mix (yes it was discussed by DF and WB) to make it sound like Kind of Blue - now that would have been something.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 12:20:23 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Here's the link to the pre-Danfest luncheon location.
Hope to see you there.....
http://www.eaglesdeli.com/
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 12:17:26 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, getting ready to roll
Whooo Hooo! The forecast is 2 days of beautiful weather in Boston. And we know we'll have 2 days of knockout music! Hope to see old and new faces at the Danfest today at Birch Bar. Tomorrow at LTK. We'll see where Hoops wants to hold the Dannys. It might even be cool to use the sidewalk patio at LTK. The "Where in The World is Don and Walt" poster will be on sale today and tomorrow. Only 100 were printed and they are really cool. (see the Boston Danfest page). If you can't make it to the shows and we have some posters leftover, we'll work out mailing one to you. E-mail me and let me know if you are interested in one.
Also, if you're in town early, please join us for a pre-Danfest lunch at Eagles Deli on Beacon Street in Brighton at 2:00PM today.
Hoops, SpongeBill, Connie and muself will be there
Kalvin if you read this - I tried to get in touch with you and left a voicemail on your hotel phone.
Day 1 set list will be posted later tonight.
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 11:53:48 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
1997-OK Computer
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 10:39:55 ET
Posted by: Opium Jag, Raffles Hotel
well kids....it was just about 30 years ago...that the boys clocked out ot ABC studios and brought the master tapes of Ajia.....to Bernie Grudman......Tom Scott did an interview and said it was a double album.....Kats let it slip to RS that the tour would start in September...and the boys themselves slipped over to a Malibu micro FM station and debuted the dazzling Black Cow to an unsuspecting pot head dj...who doubled as an english teacher at the local high school....the 2-disc set was melted down to 1 disc of 7 brilliant efforts....while the lost 2nd disc ended up in Becker's box of tapes....Beyond the seawall and othe asian ditties...lost in a haze of thai weed and really good grapefuit wine.....oddly Dallas...had be reissued and had shown up on American FM stations...so the ghosts of the past were alive once again...the new Doobies seemed to be revelling in odd Royal Scam bass lines McDonald remembered, Skunk was cool in the new disco-boogie...but Aja....well Asia...now that was Something Else. Althoug Becker himself actually looked Chinese...iit was Fagen who had emersed himself in the mood, the love...a previous lifetime...remembered......"when all my dime dancing is through".....let records show that Donald's grandmom was named Ida Li Fagan...supposedly from Russia...but with that name spelling...other points in the orient might be the reality............the smoke cloud of a thousand pot parties welcomed the bizarrely perfect Kerouacian buddhist platter.....Black Cow...India? Aja....Korea....Tibet....Deacon Blue ...Tokyo....Peg....midtown...Home At Last???? Malibu.....Jones Beach....I Got the New....LA or the upper east side....Josie.....LA china town......good grass
good food
1967-Pepper
1977-Aja
1987-Joshua Tree
2007......well...theres always next year
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 10:14:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
RE: deeper cuts
Isn't the problem actually more the arrangements than the setlist. If the just added something new to the most played songs that would make the difference. Wouldn't it?
I know at least 10-20 deep cuts I would prefer not to hear! What I want is different arrangements from the album cuts, and different from last year.
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 09:36:33 ET
Posted by: felonius, harlem or somewhere
hey disgruntled fan i feel your pain, after seeing the boys were mixing up the shows i felt i wasted too many piasters on u darby and a-c ,,only to see the same shows,,,, the shows were entertaining BUT i personally would like to hear some deeper cuts like in the past( RIKKI, Parkers band, boston rag daddy dont etc etc,) mindful they cant play everything,, im still disappointed they didnt mix it up.. That being said I'm anxciously awaiting their return to this area--hopefully next year!
Date: Tues, May 29, 2007, 08:29:10 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Lisa!
Good to see you on the Blue and a GREAT post.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 23:25:50 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney
Lisa, thats one of the best review posts I've read. Well done and thank you.
Cheers,
Scotty
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 22:39:51 ET
Posted by: security joan, philly
Lisa, thank you for your spot-on rebut to the 'steely don' comment on Herrington's Peg solo. Yes, we know that he plays variations on the same solo, but as you (L) point out there is a daunting and well documented precedent in place. Generally, in any form of art the most difficult test is that in which you must bring something new and enlightened to a pre-ordained structure, and in the whole Peg solo issue I believe Herrington proves himself to an admirous extent -- and with sly twists in each subsequent night's performance. We all need to have some respect for the man's consistently skilled execution and his ability to bring something fresh to each performance without going into mere grandstanding.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 20:59:02 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Home, still
Ugh. I CAN type coherently, I swear. Please ignore the mixed tenses in my previous post.
I need to lay off the taffy...
:-P
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 20:37:58 ET
Posted by: LisaG, Home at last
Back from the whirlwind weekend on our Southern shores...I’m having a bad reaction to the salt water taffy, but that’s another story.
First off, many apologies to the Lady Fife and the crew at B Bar—as per emails, I had every intention to meet up with fellow festers. My cousin was treating me to the show, and I found out at the last minute that he had to work very late on Saturday, so we were destined to miss the fest. We got to the venue about 10 minutes before show-time. Maybe another time.
Saw Fagen at Borgata last March. These seats were definitely better, the sound was better, and Fagen wasn't suffering from a cold this time. Overall, I enjoyed this show much more. The lighting was also fantabulous.
My take on the music:
First off, Freddie. With all due respect to everyone else in the band…Freddie makes the groove. I don't mean to take away from any of the past low-end pullers, but Ready Freddie brought the pocket, the funk, the overall soul to the rhythm. This is now from the "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all" department, but...I was disappointed with Mr. Carlock on many grooves. Like last year's "Goodbye Look" anti-groove at the Fagen shows, this year's Bodhisattva got legs so fast, that the boys could barely play the "lick" toward the end. I think Carlock is a formidable drummer, but there are some grooves that he lets get away and others he just cannot place. His energy and enthusiasm is amazing, however and I give him props for holding his own with such picky bosses. I’m sure I’ll get my butt kicked for saying this, but this is based on my observation. I play with a drummer who gets legs so I feel a bit sensitive to this sort of thing. And no, my time isn’t perfect either.
Jeff Young--this man is incredible. I couldn't take my eyes off him the entire evening. He was laying down unison bass lines with Freddie while grooving stabs, hits, and licks in between with the style and grace of a master chef. He had all the styles covered with an ease that makes you sit back and almost not notice—it’s that professional. Plus he does not get enough attention for his back-up singing which is almost flawless. Ever wonder why the choir sounds so phat? Well, it ain't just the glorious pipes on the ladies. Jeff Young is very under-appreciated for all of his contributions.
Which leads me to the girls. Every time I hear them, they seem to have grown to a more amazing level. It’s as if their instruments are maturing, not unlike Strads or Guarneris. And "Dirty Work," while the novelty of having a girls sing it has worn off, never gets stale. (Nice arrangement the band has fashioned and honed through the years, as well.)
The horn section was probably THE tightest I have ever heard with this current set-up. And the arrangements are stellar...cheeky, funky, and outrageous, oh honey let me tell you. I was totally impressed with their facility and spot-on articulation. Who does the live show arranging? It’s more and more creative each time. I’m also glad that the endings on the tunes are less self-indulgent and more heady and swift than in the past.
SteelyDon: that "Peg" solo that Jon Herington did...well from what I heard (and probably have heard in the past but don’t think much of it), he pretty much took the original solo and, in complete homage, puts his own twist to it. I think it's a lot harder to expand upon someone else's work and MAKE IT WORK than to create something new each time. Plus, you cannot forget how the two gushed at Graydon's original solo by dissing all the others on “The Making of Aja.” How can Herington not play it? Overall, Jon was absolutely fabulous weaving in and out of the fray as his parts directed him. The man is the consummate side-man and his sensitivity is unmatched by many in his field.
As for our heroes, they were just phenomenal in their energy and chops. They seemed more like gurus imparting their spirit onto all of us, as if they knew things we did not, yet they led us to those things without forcing any of it. I can forgive Donald for flubbing a vocal or leaving out a line in the chorus, here and there. Hell Miles used to play less and less in his solos as he got older. Fagen doesn't have to sing everything for him to make his mark. Becker played some pretty inspired solos and fills--he seemed more laid-back than in the past, and I loved how he took over a lot of the speaking in the show.
All in all, this was top-shelf live Dan, honed and perfected to a sweet simmer that exploded into an all-out sonic orgasm. This band has finally reached the pinnacle of its life. Let's hope they ride this out for a long, long time.
Looking forward to the second Beacon run.
LisaG
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 19:25:34 ET
Posted by: Newark, BBQ?
Hold 'em partner. Go ahead. As I scroll down, "Verbatum" in the bathroom? hmmmmm. Whatzup with that? Did Are you sure that story is true and what is gained here? I was hungry. Now I think I would rather fast. Did you guys hold each other's winkies while you were tinkling? and then forget to wash your hands in the WC?
I don't think so, fella. Lead singer--Donald's voice--was definitely on, but, gads, could you not hear that he's has been over using those v. chords a little? "Oh, they're always good" btw. Now I'm confused.
I get to read this--your afterthoughts after my going to the hometown parade in Franklinville, NJ. After watching the Blue Angels soaring. Someone's patriotism seems challenged somewhere. Give me strength. I can't scroll on. Fk dinner--I wanna tango. Nwk
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 19:25:18 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Heavy Rollers Question: We've been to 3 of the shows so far and noticed that Donald isn't ending with the customary "see you next year" or "see you next time". We'll leave the speculation to others, but is Donald just ending with the wave and quasi-salute?
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 19:06:56 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
It always amazes me when people whine about the boys and what they are playing. I guess I value these shows far more than what's on the set list. I realize that I keep repeating myself but then again so do the whiners. I've one show left, Wolftrap, and I can't wait. Boys you play whatever the hell you like and I'll be there humping my bump, what little there is to it, to every tune.
Woody are you ready lad???? Wearing your red.
WHOOHOO
Fife
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 17:53:19 ET
Posted by: Ravin' , Grill time
and evil :>~
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 17:48:54 ET
Posted by: Ravin', Grub shishkabobs
To SteelyDon re: Jon was brilliant. SD is immaculate and mesmorizing. Just my take -< -< -<
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Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 17:35:08 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Nostalgia is (unfortunately) a big part of the reason why the babyboomer bands enjoy so much succes at the moment, and why a new band from the seventies announced their reunion every day.
That entales a general expection of absolutely no development, as it may cause the bobble to burst.
Swing out
To Lake Nostalgia
Route 5 to Laughing Pines
Get off at Funway West
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 17:31:05 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Bahstuhn bound
I was watching some plug for a new REO Speedwagon album on VH1 Classic this morning and the lead singer (what is his name?) talked about touring with Journey and Styx in 2003. He said that anytime someone mentions "Here's a new one!" people seem to have a sudden urge to use the restroom. Made me think of some of the greatest hits fans that run for the can/bar/designated smoking area during some of what I consider to be outstanding performances. (Just when you didn't think The Dan and the Wagon had anything in common).
Steely Dan at Beacon Theater (Sue, I won't discuss the smoking) - Sam Yahel Trio went on around 8, ended at around 8:30, SD at 9, played roughly two hours solid. Ends around 11.
Bring on the Boston Rag!
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 16:51:29 ET
Posted by: suedave, Pugh's solo on hey 19 was awesome
One more thing about the crowd in general - they just don't seem to want Steely Dan to emerge from the 70's. I wonder if that is true for the younger crowd too.
We (most of us here?) are the enlightened ones - can't get enough of anything - we always want more.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 15:15:39 ET
Posted by: suedave, ears blocked
That's great news about Walter continuing to record, thx for passing along.
I'm back from the CT and NY Beacon shows last week - it was a blast seeing familiar faces - Denise, Karen, Margaret, Fife, Shari, Pete, Eric, Joe, Jon, Dan, Gretchen, and meeting new ones - Chan, Sam, David, and more I can't remember (and I do apologize). Had a blast - maybe a bit too much fun since I came home with a wicked head cold...but no matter, I'm recovering and I got to see/hear 4 shows.
Seeing SD in smaller theaters made it impossible for me to get seats upclose that I'd come to "expect" after last year (I guess I didn't get lucky twice). So it was a new perspective - full stage view of the entire band and quite a bit of the audience. The Mohegan Sun show was an especially good crowd watching vantage point. Here's what I saw - total crowd excitement for Hey 19, Peg, Josie...small drink refreshment break when Walter did HD, huge potty break when they played Gaslighting Abbie. Wallingford had lots of dancers for the 'hits'. Beacon had lots of folks in the audience who lit up, the first night the crowd was more energized than the 2nd night.
I am glad to have gotten some variety in the shows I saw (Gaslighting Abbie was a standout). But now that I'm back home with no more tickets in hand, I feel like I didn't get enough - repeated set lists or not. I hope they do swing by Hawaii and/or the west coast on their way back from the shows down under.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 14:24:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I'm really surprise at how quickly
you are willing to "write-off" any
influence the "Blue" may have hoops.
To begin with, you are always telling
us to "Fly Low" and be careful. Band
associates have told you to take down
tour dates because they were effecting
SD "leverage". I'm not saying Don and
Walt are reading the Blue, but the simple
fact is that their associates ARE.
People talk, people make suggestions.
All I know is that I saw 4 Donald Fagen
shows in little theatres, where I was able
to meet the sound guy and say hello before
or after the show everynight, often
complimenting on the great sound. EVERY
time the Blue was up on machine in the
sound mixing area.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 13:06:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Recent Sessions at Avatar Studios / Apr 18, 2007 1:45 PM
"Walter Becker was in Studio B doing overdubs with producer Larry Klein for his upcoming release."
http://mixonline.com/mixline/avatar-recent-sessions-041807/
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 12:58:30 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
The Studio Jim B shares with Jon Herington.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 12:30:21 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, jon herrington on guitar
I gotta say that I am a huge Jon Herrinton supporter and I think he is great, but at the Borgata show I felt like he was holding the band back. It was like he was thinking about the solos and wasn't ready when they came time for him to play. He was really hesistant and his solos did not flow very well. Also, I am really getting tired of the solo he plays on Peg. Its been the same exact solo note for note since 2000.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 12:25:55 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, West of Hollywood
The Borgata show was awesome! I know people are getting tired of the setlist but if you just go to the show and set your mind free just to truly enjoy the music it doesn't matter what they play. Its all GOOD! All of the songs are nicely arranged and the band is really tight. Sure we would like to here some "deeper" cuts but what they are playing sounds good to me. I think this is the best I have ever heard DF. He hit the high notes without straining and didn't bail out on the high notes by singing them low. Besides a few goofs on the lyrics, he really sounded great, especially on TVN. I ran into a few gentlemen in the bathroom after the show who were disgusted with the concert. One guy said "I waited 20 years to see these guys play and they didnt do Reeling in the Years, Do it Again, Rikki, or Black Cow." Another guys was complaining because he had gone to three shows in a row and the setlist was exaclty the same and even "WB's and DF's banter was verbatum." I know there wit gets old after a while but its humorous...and afterall who cares what they are saying as long as the band and the music sounds good...which it always does.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 12:19:30 ET
Posted by: Whaddya Know?, Zoonlord
Part of Becker's CD was recorded at Beard's studio, they say.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 12:09:50 ET
Posted by: Hub Stub,
Better Times - I'll take the tickets but I don't want to pay more than $1.50 per song! I hope you get stuck with them you cheap F&^%k!
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 11:51:10 ET
Posted by: Get Down, Make Love, Audito
The *man* on Walter Becker's new one:
www.jimbeard.com
Since moving to New York in 1985, Jim Beard has toured the world extensively with some of the greatest names in jazz including John Scofield, Pat Metheny, John McLaughlin and Wayne Shorter. He has recorded with artists from an extremely wide range of musical styles. From Dizzy Gillespie to the Brecker Brothers. Dianne Reeves to Meshell Ndegeocello. Toninho Horta to Walter Becker
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 11:08:36 ET
Posted by: Disgruntled Fan, wsu
It apears 2 me that SD is on Auto Pilot. What a shame. I'm so sick of that hey 19 rap! also, i'm sick of "the girls" singing "dirty work'. Were's Royal Scam?
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 10:45:26 ET
Posted by: Just thinking, .
Last year at Borgata, I saw the "Donald Fagen band" perform Pretzel Logic.
This year at Borgata, I saw essentially the same band as "Steely Dan" perform it with the same arrangement, same Jeff Young vocals, etc.
For me, it kind of dulls distinction even more between a solo Fagen and SD.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 10:16:50 ET
Posted by: Rastameister, Braintree, MA
Heads up!
At this moment Ticketmaster has great center section tickets available for Boston on Tues and Weds. Row N Section 2 (center).
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 09:52:24 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I HAVE 2 TICKETS TO STEELY DAN IN BOSTON I NEED TO SELL CHEAP. I CAN OVERNIGHT THE TICKETS. THEY ARE HARD TICKETS IN HAND.
WEDNESDAY, MAY 30 (BANK OF AMERICA): SECTION 3, ROW P, SEATS 11-12.
EXCELLENT SEATS, IF INTERESTED CONTACT TPWDRUM@TWMI.RR.COM.
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 09:23:53 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
SF thank you so much for your generosity and showing us a great time on Saturday. We always look forward to seeing you so now you must head to Baltimore so that we may return the favour.
Another thing I loved the way Walter sings Hatian Divorce he was very dirty on Thursday night. His body language said it all!!
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 09:17:24 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Well Mr. Sam and I are safe and sound from our whirl wind Dan trip. It was a wonderful adventure and I’d do it again in a snap. Each venue had its pros and cons but all were very festive events. Saturday night the sound was wonderful, better then the 2 previous shows we had seen and I loved the dripping sarcasm of Donald’s voice, intentional or not. I was once again able to make my way right up to the stage and that for me has made the shows so great being able to dance, poor Sammy he gets ditched but I have warned him, lol.
Thanks to everyone who showed up for the Bash, SF, Doc and Pete, RJ Squirrel and his lovely wife, Ed Beatty, LWO, Mike and Fran, and Girl Margaret. LWO thank you so much for those wonderful N.O. Beads I’m going to hang them on our Steely Dan wall as a memento for all to see. Girl Margaret, I can’t believe I missed Bobby Flay, I love that guy!
Enjoy the rest of the shows.
GO SENS GO
Fife
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 01:09:02 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Weirdness... That page at CDplus that I found for the SD 20th Century Masters release seems to randomize the order of the song list each time you refresh it, but the songs that show up remain the same 10. I don't know why it would do that. Makes me have some doubt as to how accurate the list even is since other sites don't seem to show any hint of a track list at all. Oh well, it's not like anyone around here will need to rush right out and buy it on June 12.
http://www.cdplus.com/shop/default.asp?isle=0&action=detail&code=576215
Date: Mon, May 28, 2007, 01:00:13 ET
Posted by: studiosk, Windy City
Hi everyone! Any idea if the boys will be releasing a live one of this summer's (and/or the last) tour? Also - what ever happened to Drew Zingg?? Is he still connected to the band in any way? Cheers.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 23:00:40 ET
Posted by: oouusomuch, Baton Rouge
Was wondering what the ending time of the Beacon shows were? Going to the 13th show...and would help to know roughly when it might be over.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 21:01:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoopsie - EVERYONE reads the Blue. E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 20:15:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, bound for The Dannys
Regarding the "do they or don't they Blue?" question, probably only their hairdresser knows for sure.
But seriously folks, I will repeat yet again what I have been telling people again and again for sometime and probably will for some time to come.
Namely, given the difference in activity at steelydan.com seven to ten years ago versus much more recently, isn't D ± W's lack of interest in the internet fairly obvious? Look, these days the content at SD.com is minimally what anybody working in the Steely Dan office would put up on a site (dates, tickets, swag). Even postings at the DF.com and WB.com solo sites are pretty spartan; Donald even has that assistant Lexi who appears to handle things. With such scarce activity, I hardly think Our Favorite Duo is just hanging in the shadows watching SD forums.
Moreover, if SD was paying attention here (or elsewhere), they surely would have listened to recommendations about "Hey 19" long before the past couple of days. Consider it's been since Chumash last January that myself and other have been commenting how WB's chat-up during "Hey 19" is far more refreshing, clever, and entertaining than DF's tired "Ritz Crackers, tequila and a worm" bit. Even if you only see SD every five years, the joke has gotten really old. Like they waited for three weeks of internet comments and then decided to bring Walter in on it? I doubt it.
Formal stats aren't really even needed in a case like this: I think the odds are that if some internet fans notice something went flat or is tired with a show, then it's probably evident also from the audience reaction and to D + W and associates as well at the show.
(…to be continued…)
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 18:19:17 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Tired and... tired
AWESOME show last night, and what a great venue! Borgota was like Chumash all over again (except I got there in time for the whole show). Fife's Danfest was a blast despite the odd mix of music at B Bar, but it was really great to see the SD Parents again AND meet Steely Doc and his friend Pete (who actually knows where Norwich is!). LOVE the sticker Doc, it's the latest edition to my car! The security and ushers were very friendly at AC which was a nice surprise, considering most people tend to yell at us for standing, dancing, sneaking up closer, trying to say hi to the lighting director, blah blah blah. I was sitting eight rows back from the stage, but there were WAY to many empty seats around me, a downside of casino shows (the slots will be there later!). Got a few hours sleep (a very few) before I rolled my "sorry tired hungover ass" into work this afternoon (as my boss so nicely put it). Ah, good times, bring on Boston!
Fife, Sam, SF - sorry we didn't meet up with you guys later. We ran into Jon and then I was falling over and hungry and there was a crowd to get to the garage. We did eat at Bobby Flay's and Bobby Flay was sitting right behind us! Talk about dessert, mmm mmm! But I had so much fun with you guys last night. Happy birthday Sam!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 18:13:17 ET
Posted by: rational statistician, marketland
Sorry Customer...although your reasoning is valid in theory, and I am persuaded by its internal logic, it is contradicted by rules of data, epistemology, and the facts. The reason The Blue is not a source of customer information or research is because it generally represents fewer than 100 individuals' opinions, and moreover those 100 are skewed away from the belly of the bell-curve of the population of SD fans.
I know what comes next: These 100 represent the TRUE fan! And: These 100 speak for many THOUSANDS of others!
Just one problem: that's demonstrably not true. Those many thousands of others have their OWN way of expressing their opinions...and they do. And most of them have never heard of The Blue. And the opinions expressed by those many thousands only sometimes mirror opinions expressed on The Blue.
The Blue serves or can serve many valid purposes. But "audience feedback" for SD is definitely not one of them.
So --- if anyone in the SD camp is ever interested in what "their audience" thinks feels and knows, the Blue is not a particularly or uniquely informative, reliable, or valid source of such information.
And that should be OK -- The Blue is a FAN forum...or was once supposed to be. Those who feel otherwise are, one might argue, those who have distorted the community so badly.
Just my 2 piasters from the other side of the numbers game ...
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 17:43:35 ET
Posted by: Customer Feedback, Commerce City
Why would they NOT use the Blue?
The Blue has exceptional erudite contributors, expert in all things Dan. They tirelessly research the web for even the least tangential Dan info and post it here within in minutes of its appearance. They provide personal insights gathered from YEARS of listening and attending shows. No music critic working for ANY publication has the time nor ability to provide such Dan insights.
One can no longer buy the Steely Dan that once traded on its cachet of being shrouded in mystery, the enigmatic, artistically proud, non-commercial, studio band sphinx they once were prior to the New Millenium. As Aldous Huxley once said, anybody can be a mystic on ten thousand a year. That changed when they accepted the Grammies and took on their public persona in 2000-2001. Which was good by the way. We all have gotten to see several live performances and learned a great deal about them unmasked. But going hand in hand with that they became what they are now--Steely Dan Inc. Why be a mystic, nor can you be on ten million a year?
Companies pay hundreds of thousands to "consultants" for palaver that many times adds little or nothing to their bottom line. Steely Dan Inc., or any others in the music business, as a viable business practice would be foolish not to use this free resource.
There have been TOO many "coincidences" of Blue insights appearing subsequent to their posting. If there were a way to go back in the Blue you would see them. A big one was the numerous suggestions that the Dan could go it alone on tour. Using Mike McD. in 2006 whetted their appetite for the big bucks that could be had. They weren't sure they alone could draw, but look at the huge sales in their East Coast strongholds. And this time they get to keep it all. Which is probably why this tour will not revisit west of the Mississippi. Other ones were Pixeleen, two set shows in Soboba and San Diego, and as someone said earlier more EMG and TvN. It goes on and on.
This is NOT to say that the Blue is a direct request line that is followed and responded to by the Dan. But as a central marketplace of Dan ideas and discourse, most companies pay dearly for LESS than the depth and level of info that is often provided here.
As for Steely Dan Inc., if they are truly as adroit at the music business as they are in their art, it would be unwise to not take a regular peak at the Blue.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 16:14:47 ET
Posted by: jkl, Richmond
The Borgata show was great - did anyone else notice the alternate guitar solo by Walter for Hey 19? First game John H. with the normal piece, then Walter kicks in with an additional strummed solo - it was real good. I also noticed Walter's great solo work on Ive got the News too. It was a great set.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 14:58:07 ET
Posted by: TJ , DK
Was it Gaucho that had a price tag reading 1 mio dollars? And what about TvN?
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 14:57:18 ET
Posted by: Let's review, rational city
OK, let's think about this.
A. DF struggles with H19 rap, obviously tires of it.
B. He knows it. WB knows it. And oh yeah audience notices it too. Some say so on a fan board.
C. Decision is made to give rap to W for a while.
Therefore.....
(??) They did it in response to reading a fan board....(??)
What is wrong with this logic?
Apply same to all other Delusions of Reference cited here in recent days/weeks/years.
Come on, people: do we really need to feel D&W can only "learn" the obvious from US?!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 14:27:04 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Expensive albums -
Hey let's not forget My Bloody
Valentine - "Loveless".
So, the same set list three nights
in a row? But it does look like
SOMEONE has been reading this board
because Walter is back to doing
the "Hey 19" rap. That is great
news!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 14:20:29 ET
Posted by: Clean W, armagnac
Rajah - hmm, With A Gun = bluegrass? Bluegrass aficionados would have a serious issue with that - even a drum kit's too much for them, and to these ears the harmonic movement is a bit too lush to fit comfortably even into a less purist definition. I see where you're coming from but it sounds more like a jazz-rock take to me, IMHO.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 13:32:49 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thanks!!
Wondering if Walter is able to keep costs down as he is working with friends and has his own studio. A midsize label might release it as long as they don't have to back it up to much. But then again what's the point..
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 12:58:10 ET
Posted by: expensive LP's?,
TJ
Who else has a reputation of making expensive albums?
Well,
Beach Boys-Pet Sounds (about $6 Million US today)
Moody Blues- esp. Days of Future Passed
Beatles-Sgt.Pepper, Abbey Road
Jefferson Starship- esp. Red Octopus
PINK FLOYD-any one of 'em. They spend lots on tour stages as well.
As an aside, unfortunately for Walt B., I believe his next release will be going the "indie" route (the "Becker" label?). No major brand will touch it, even if it is a masterpiece. They backed Morph on the strength of the Fagen/Steely Dan name and track record, rolled the dice and got snake-eyes, sales-wise
Hopefully the Dan is saving its pennies, nickels, dimes and Benjamins from this commercial tour to help Walt. Or better yet, produce STEELY DAN 10!
That would be a great career capper if that is to be the end. And if in fact that it comes to pass that that record is so named, that will be prima facie evidence that they are reading the Blue.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 12:52:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
With a Gun is an incredible tune. Bluegrass all the way. Fun.
Most expensive albums? Sgt. Pepper. TvN.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:28:17 ET
Posted by: C Willies, France
re. deep cuts - here in France the music, especially the stuff they play in supermarkets, is so lowest-common-denominator that it's a relief ( I can't believe I'm writing this) to hear a Phil Collins track.
Imagine then my surprise to hear no less a tidbit than With A Gun while looking through the wines and beers...then, a couple of days later, Pretzel Logic in the cleaning products section - of different stores! Ok so PL isn't so deep, but it is not on the list of tracks that the dreaded performing-seal-clapping masses are supposed to demand at every gig on pain of taking a pee break. And no-one has even dared wish for anything as deep as WAG, (tho it's one of my faves with its crackling jazz-rock take on country). Just a thought for those who worry that anything but the hits are repellent to the non-specialist.
I finally understood how muzak works - when With a Gun was playing I could happily have stayed in that stinking supermarket all day...
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:25:32 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, soundcheck & Danfest
Chris - Well if you go to the Danfest on Wednesday, LTK is directly across the street. If you stick your head out the door you'll probably be able to hear the soundcheck.
Speaking of Danfests, we picked up the 2007 Boston Danfest posters yesterday. They're printed on 12X18 heavy stock vinyl, suitable for framing. Only 100 were printed and they will be on sale at the Danfest. It features every country that Donald & Walter will be visiting this tour. All proceeds after cost will go to charity. Go to the Boston Danfest page that Hoops put up to see the design.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:18:25 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I was googling to try to find out the track list for the coming 20th Century Masters SD collection.
First I found a catalog # (B000749702), then googled that and found...
http://www.cdplus.com/shop/default.asp?isle=0&action=detail&code=576215
=================QUOTE===================
Track Listing
1. Deacon Blues
2. Time Out Of Mind
3. Any World (That I M Welcome To
4. Josie
5. Rikki Dont Lose That Number
6. My Old School
7. Do It Again
8. Reelin In The Years
9. Only A Fool Would Say That
10. Third World Man
================UNQUOTE==================
Site does not include the cover image to definitively identify it as the proper release, but the catalog # matches, it's listed as "20th Century Masters," and with a release date of 6/12/2007.
I'm sure it's nothing that folks around here need to have, but I was just curious what exactly is gonna be on it even though I knew it would be vastly inadequate.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:05:48 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:03:34 ET
Posted by: *, *
Unless I imagined it, the girls' vocals are now more prominent in the mix on Haitian Divorce after the negative posts on here a few days ago.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 11:03:26 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I'm thinking about trying to get over to the Pavillion in Boston early on Wednesday to check out the sound check. Has anyone ever done this at that specific venue? Would I be able to hear anything?
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:57:04 ET
Posted by: they DON'T read the blue, right? , conspiracy theory
a month before the tour starts, TVN is discussed and the 9 out of 10 Bluebookers agree it's one of the best 21st century Dan tunes, then it's the opener for the first couple shows ...
We bitch and moan about the lack of newer tunes on the 06 tour, they throw us a bone with gems like Gaslighting Abbie, Janie Runaway, Godwhacker, EMG ....
We wonder why Donald is telling the same story and hope for Walt, lo and behold, Walt tells the story on Hey 19 ...
They could all be coincidences, of course, but I want to believe
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:48:23 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
same set list the last 3 nights! i,m glad i didnt do multiple shows this time around!!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:48:10 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
HELP
I'm doing a story on the new paradigm in the music business meaning that everyone can make an album pretty cheap and distribute it to the world.
That also means no one is selling a lot and that no record companys are interesting in funding an expensive and ambitious album.
Point beeing: Steely Dan would never have made it were they to enter the music business anno 2007.
BUT I need some more examples: I got Scott Walker (especially his late albums), Stevie Wonder (Songs in the Key..), Michael Jackson.
Who else has a reputation of making expensive albums?
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:47:40 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
A couple good Don and Walt photos from New Orleans here:
http://jazzfestlive.blogspot.com/2007/05/jazzfest-day-six-photos-second-sunday.html
Scroll down about 8 photos for 'em.
Don oughta either shave or grow a beard, IMO. And I have the scruffy salt & pepper thing going myself, so I'm permitted to comment. I like his second shot, first one looks like he's in pain. Maybe just straining for a high note.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:19:24 ET
Posted by: sf, back from borgata w/ new bumper sticker
http://www.montrosepress.com/articles/2007/05/26/opinion/op2.txt
Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones was asked what his favorite bands were. ‘Little Feat’, and ‘Steely Dan,’ said the Mick. Jagger was also asked what he thought of The Who’s
“rock operas” like ‘Tommy’ and ‘Quadrophenia.”
“The Rolling Stones,” sniffed Jagger, “don’t do opera.”
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:18:48 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK
The Truth - That's the truth!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:14:35 ET
Posted by: Aja Book, down about ten posts
AC Attendee - Stop being lazy and just scroll down a bit and read.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:12:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Here ya go:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/phxphreak/33_1_3_series/
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 09:50:09 ET
Posted by: AC Attendee, .
I'm reading a lot of posts about some "book." Can someone give a concise who, what, where, when... etc.? Thanks
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 09:49:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, can't wait for Don's booklet on Aja. You guys are gonna love this...finally, an in-depth work examining the record and the world as it was then surrounding the record. Especially instructive for our younger folks, so gratified we even HAVE younger people here who appreciate this achievement, kids who weren't around to experience the world that led up to Aja. I see Aja as Don and Walt's jail-break from the pop world. Doggone-it, they just stepped out from the confines of pop and rock and disco, jumped out-of-bounds, and launched something so fresh and new but in retrospect now also such a tribute and tip of the cap to the great musical masters who came before. I've said this ad nauseum but Don & Walt's efforts remind me so much of Duke Ellington; constantly changing the band but retaining the same beautifully integrated vision of what the music should be. Check out Ellington, get a compilation, you will hear a consistency, an unbroken line of excellence, just like the Dan Steel. And when you come across St. Louis Too-De-Loo, your head will come clean off your shoulders and roll down the hall. The raunchiness informs so musch of Dan, so much of a tune like Haitian Divorce, for instance. There is that little 10 year burp in there with Steely Dan in the 80s but other than that, it's the same kind of through-line. Dedication to a vision and execution unparalleled.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 08:51:34 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
"Don Breithaupt's book on Aja has just hit stores. It's a very smart dissection of Steely Dan - one of those interesting pop acts where there's almost no consensus as to what might be their finest achievement."
So true!
Aja is beeing canonized. Thats what music history does.
Still looking forward to reading it though!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 08:17:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
The Borgata - Atlantic City
Saturday May 26
Set List
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19 - (Walter tells a joke!!!)
Haitian Divorce (WB vocal)
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I got the News
Dirty Work (ladies!!!)
Josie (band intros)
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn
Grat show, almost packed house.....some lucky folks on the sides were moved to the front after some heavy rollers didn't show up for their seats...that was cool of the Borgata to do that.
Great sound in the room..better than last year's AC venue.
Walter did the Hey 19 storytelling...
Roger Rosenberg birthday surprise!
Extened solo by WB on into of Pretzel Logic
Happy Birthday Mr. Sam!!!!!
Great to meet all of you at the B-Bar Danfest...thanks Fife!!!!
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 07:10:58 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Everybody hates Brian Sweet? No.
Nobody's saying not to go buy the book.
But there is one person who assumes it's an end-all document--Brian Sweet. If you have ever met Brian Sweet, you know that on a scale of 1-10, he gives the book an 11 or 12.
Also, when you cobble others' writings together you should give credit.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 04:52:55 ET
Posted by: Uncle Tim, -
Why does everyone fucking hate Brian Sweet?
That book wasn't the greatest, but at least he took the time to cobble all the on the record stuff and put the document together? Surely we're not too cool to appreciate that? Nobody's ever assumed it an end-all document, can't we just take it for what it is?
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 04:11:10 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK
Hoops said: "Great coup, Don B. Even Brian Sweet didn't get Donald to interview for his book".
Ha! Good one Jim. That's because Don B. is a pro and Sweet is an amature.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 04:10:27 ET
Posted by: AC Attendee, .
Just got in from the Borgata show. Walt's Hey 19 story went something like this. "I was in Atlantic City last night and called up the concierge and asked him to hook me up with the most luscious woman in Atlantic City. A while later there'a a knock on the door, and there's a rabbi, a priest and a farmer. I said 'what the hell are you doing here?" and they said 'sorry, wrong joke' so I said "as long as you're here, why don't you come in for a drink.' Then the girls vocals kicked in.
Roger was only gone off stage for a few seconds with the two Borgata Babes. We pondered that perhaps it was all the time a guy his age would need. Donald chimed in "now everyone will want it to be their birthday...is it anyone else's birthday?" and all the other horn players raised their hand.
Obvious from the paragraphs above that there were no set list surprises to speak of.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 02:15:06 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Looking forward to Don's book. I have seen a Stevie Wonder book in the series and it was like a 70 page paper back novel format.
Was any attempt to interview Walter made for the book? What was his response?
Also, I was reading the publisher's site, Wormtom. Not sure what your writing creds are and I won't doubt that you have the chops to write well. However, it seems they go for a certain angle or writing style that strikes their fancy. I see there were three proposals for when Don wrote his Aja book. Only Don won out. Don has written other books. Looks like they plan these things a couple of years out.
The question is whether they'd be willing to do another Steely Dan-connected book. Sounds like they want 100 books on a variety of musical topics. If I read correctly, they are even doing a book on a Celine Dion album.
Great coup, Don B. Even Brian Sweet didn't get Donald to interview for his book.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 02:09:46 ET
Posted by: Sweet Sue, on the dunes
Happy Birthday to Rog! Walt gave him bday nods during the band intro, & 2 of the Borgata babes, avec huge fake boobs, escorted him off stage for his 'birthday present'. He returned in about a minute, and Walt shook his head & said something along the lines of 'You know, we paid for a whole hour!'. Also Walt did the Hey 19 bit again--much funnier than the Don saltine thing. Good show, was the same set as Philly. They seemed a bit tired tonight, which is understandable after 6 shows in a week--hell, I'm tired after just attending 4, & I'm only 40! I attended NYC Tues., both nights in Philly, & tonight--the Philly shows were by far the best. I really dug Jim on trombone--fantastic! Looking forward to doing it again in NYC on the 10th!
Peace,
S.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 02:04:41 ET
Posted by: worm tom, new orleans
Don B
looking forward to your 3 books
gotta love Amazon
forget the alias
I'll gladly write the Nightfly book
and interview the Donald, Rainey, etc
or Two Against Nature
or one of Eno's classics
cheers
wormtom
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 00:36:41 ET
Posted by: hoops, atlantic city
Any word from AC?
Happy bithday, Sam.
Date: Sun, May 27, 2007, 00:36:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, atlantic city
Any word from AC?
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 23:03:43 ET
Posted by: Well Wisher, nighttime
Added to tonight's set list, a kick ass happy birthday tune to Mr. Sam!! Oh wait, just dreaming but Happy Birthday anyway. How nice of SD to plan their tour to include a date for your big day.
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 20:17:44 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Tower of Power
I'll echo some of what has already been posted about the show last night. IMHO one of the better SD shows I have attended. IMHO the energy rivaled the DF show in Las Vegas in March 06. The Tower Theater is a neat old venue with good sound, and the fans from Philly were fanatic, pun intended, plus Walter's Hey 19 chat was one of his best. Can't wait 'til the 30th...
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 17:27:02 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Hey wormy,
Donald was very approachable, very candid. I set the interview up via Irving Azoff's office, and interviewed Donald in NYC last June. We spoke for over two hours and covered all kinds of musical minutia, 99% of which made it into the book.
Re other 33 1/3 books: Their policy is one title per author. It helps keep the series fresh, I guess, and ensures the widest possible perspective. So if I want to write a Nightfly book, it'll have to be under an assumed name!
DB
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 14:21:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, bound for The Dannys
Subject: Danfans' Help Needed
Hello!
I am writing to remind you about two things at Dandom.com and ask for your support.
Have you ever found out about a Steely Dan concert thanks to the Dandom Digest, the BlueBook, the local Dandom / Danfest lists, etc? Like dozens of Danfans, have you heard new music or rare Steely Dan-connected releases thanks to Radio Free Dandom?
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Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 13:46:04 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Post-Tower notes...
The absolute BEST thing about last night's Tower show was a Walter I've never seen before...he was truly having a great time, and his always-sharp wit had a definite goofy edge (as noted by his hilarious takeoff on Donald's '03 H19 monologue). Yeah, and he was even smiling a lot. Geez, dare I even say ebullient? Nary an "aall-righty!" from Donald this go around, but there were some very silly face-exchanges that cracked us up a few times.
I must say as to tempo, I found things a tad rushed -- definitely not slower. Songs like Aja, which at its best, as in '03, can be the most lushly beautiful sonic experience ever, seemed to trot along last night-- great to hear, yes, but not spine-tingling as in past. Ditto for Babylon Sisters, which needs those tight little interstices.
Enough nitpicking. As always it's simply a joy to hear them live and up close. And the Waterford Inn proved a perfectly odd little pre-show watering hole -- Lucky Henry & I had fun chatting w. Little Wild One, Ed, et al... and of course the superbly spry & youthful bartender, Frank. Alas, I'm a little sad that unless I find myself in Europe in the next few months this will be only show I see of this tour. (My bet's still out as to whether Lucky Henry is at this moment selling his soul to get a last-minute Borgata ticket. Go, Hank!)
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 12:30:33 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, AC bound
Actual comment from my boss this morning: "It's amazing how fast you get your work down when you want to leave early."
Well shit, if Steely Dan were playing everyday I was at work I'd always get everything done in two and a half hours! Then I told him he had my permission to live vicariously through me as I pranced out of work.
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 12:10:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, on the way to AC
...hey people going to AC....don't forget, there is NO OPENING ACT.....get there early....
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 11:48:21 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Running late
Burning a CD of the Tower setlist (Thanks SteelyDoc) to listen to on the way to AC. See you all at Borgata!! Hoping Walter still sings Haitian Divorce as I have never heard him sing live before.
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 10:09:09 ET
Posted by: Raven: Location: Shopping CDs,
all: yea, embarrassing. hey righto-0--that's the first rebel yell to save a casino I've heard in a while. Go on. Right, Jeff Young is so perfecto he gets the white light--just like a Mothership Connection or Life 101. So jazzed and crafty! Keep those shades on, Jeff, not to feel cool (cuz u r) but to take care of them eyezes and to tune 'em out. Hey, and freddie is so magnanimus and true blue and courageous. And gads furry freak bros.: unite and keep that low end strong--go bari. ace extraordinare--you all get a ten reed salute. Tone it down, boardroom, or I'll be around. Easy on the strobes in AC, please. Some people may get nauseaous--Carlock gets the green light, hehe out
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 09:48:14 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, Home at Last
In regards to Bruce and Steely Dan...My two favorite groups at this moment. Funny at this particular time, they are both pissing me off. Bruce for releasing the Seeger Sessions Band BS and Steely Dan for ass raping me for 85 minutes at Chumash. I have seen them solo (Don and Bruce) and with the full groups at least 11 times combined since 2002. Two very different and fulfilling experiences(save Chumash). Coming home from work this morning, "This Hard Land" by Bruce and "The Nightfly." Not the most popular works, and not the most obscure, but both keep me singing with my eyes open just enough to see the Soboba casino sign along the 60 freeway. Goodnight and have a lovely memorial day.
Jason
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 09:37:12 ET
Posted by: Phil, France
Hello there, I don't think it has been posted before so , this is the info found on a French website:http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/
Jeff Young to release an album soon:
Jeff Young's new cd "Songs from a red wurlitzer" and very soon in concert in Paris with Steely Dan!
Jeff Young is a noted singer, songwriter, and keyboardist in Los Angeles, California. With a rich musical history, Jeff brings his experiences with some of the most celebrated recording artists (Jackson Browne, Sting, Donald Fagen and Bonnie Raitt,..) to his diverse and eclectic recordings. Having performed in a variety of musical settings throughout his career, his soulful rhythms and melodies create an environement as unique as the music itself... original and organic, eclectic and electrifying.
Jeff's newest release, "Songs from a Red Wurlitzer" is complete! Music can be heard on his site, Itunes and cd baby.com
Currently, Jeff is touring the U.S. with Donald Fagen and will be playing in Paris on July 10th, with Steely Dan at Le Grand Rex.
In addition to continuing to lend his soulful contributions to a variety of musical artists, Jeff regularly performs around Los Angeles. He is the Musical Director, Producer and primary composer for Malibu Sound Music Productions, the first global recording company dedicated to helping artists, songwriters and performers from around the world turn their creative ideas into reality.
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May 23, 2007
o, found on:
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 09:28:38 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks Steely Doc!! What a great show and Walter's banter and story how cool is that
Hey Don "Aja" sounds like a must read for me.Thank You
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 08:48:37 ET
Posted by: Gina, Mizar5 Mountain
Hey yes, that Don Breithaupt book is different i guess, and mind you this author/musician is a cool cat himself, Philippe Poudensan from France introduced me to the music of Marc Jordan (also Canadian like mr. Breithaupt who works with Marc Jordan who kind of shares the time capsula with Steely Dan, Steve Lukather aah, these intricate patterns when diving into the world of music history) and Monkey House as well. Kudos for Philippe here :-)
There's a 33 1/3 blog that has an excerpt and review of the book.
http://33third.blogspot.com/2007/05/aja.html
Here's an example of what mr Fagen discussed with mr. Breithaupt :-)
If Becker and Fagen were philosophically out of step with their fellow Los Angelenos, they were hardly immune to the culture at large. “We liked Stevie Wonder, of course,” says Fagen. “You know who I thought were going to do something really nice? Those two guys called Seals & Crofts. They had a very nice way of integrating jazz into their tunes. And I really liked Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks, and Stuff [Steve Gadd, Eric Gale, Richard Tee and company] in New York. John Sebastian was a great musician. I was influenced by the Lovin’ Spoonful a lot, especially as far as singing goes. I really dig John’s phrasing and the way he used to work his way around rhythmically. I liked Herbie Hancock’s stuff. I thought Head Hunters was kind of repetitive — those grooves would just go on — but he really knew how to get a nice sound. And I loved the drummers: Harvey Mason, all those guys who played with Herbie. I liked his guitarists, too, guys out in L.A. like Wah Wah Watson.”
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 08:42:22 ET
Posted by: Art, mean streets of Jersey
Wow. SD and Bruce. What an odd juxtaposition. Three HOURS of Bruce?
Three minutes would be more than enough.
But, hey... that's just me.
Thanks to a good friend who downloaded some stuff from Andy Metzger's site I've now heard a very seminal version of Second Arrangement. Interesting. Much more of a Reggae feel.
Prediction... they will play Wu before the tour's over.
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 07:21:44 ET
Posted by: wormtom, up too early
Don
a quick amazon search and your two seventies books
Precious and Few and Nite Moves are on the way as well
looking forward to the read, thanks
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 06:49:30 ET
Posted by: wormy, New Orleans
Don
I'm really looking forward to your Aja book
how approachable was Don?
what other 33 1/3 books were you involved in?
the only other thing that is 33 1/3 is devine
good old analogian vinyl
two shows same setlist - say it isn't so
beacon homestand new songs
must try out in portsmouth
must try out more songs in portsmouth
considering bringing page size cue cards to that show
with names of songs I want to hear
we are in first row in front of the Donald
one word wonders
Gas Light, Shame, Gina, Greenbook, Deacon, Wu
"sue me if I play too short" on one side
"1 hour, 43 minutes, another encore?"
gonna break out the Kroy machine, when topsoilant arrives...
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 01:27:03 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
Yeah, that's me, the "Monkey House" guy (new disc later this year, BTW)... Thanks to hoops, St. Al, Gina, Rajah, angel, TJ, Robert, Bobbo and everyone in the Dan community who has shown interest in my little book! You hardcore, longtime SD fans were my imagined readers all along. That info again:
TITLE: Aja
AUTHOR: Don Breithaupt
ISBN: 0826427839
PUBLISHER: Continuum
LIST PRICE: $10.95 USD | £6.99
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 00:16:10 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, you know where
WB also said "I gotta tell you, Philadelphia is the greatest city for Steely Dan EVER!!!!!!"
also...."I know we're old and infirm...and we don't tour much anymore...but any time you want us back...well you just give us a call!"
the crowd went nuts. The whole band was on fire tonite....best version of Aja I ever heard.....and Kid Charlemagne was certainly NOT slower than usual.
what a night!
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 00:12:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...Walter told the story of the Cuervo Gold during Hey 19 tonight,.....he was hilarious!!!!!
here's the story, not exactly word for word, but you get the idea.....
Remember way back when....you would take your honey out to the desert....with a blanket, and some duct tape...
you're about to get close to your honey, and along comes a big slithering sidewinder, and it bites you in the johnson!!!!!
what are you gonna do?
so your gal calls Reno 911 for help, and they tell her: well, you have to suck out the poison....
she says, wait a minute, I don't really know this guy, we kinda just met, and that sidewinder thing looked kind of shady...what would I do for the anesthetic?
What are you gonna do for the anesthetic? the anesthetic? Tell them, girls......
"...the cuervo gold....etc etc etc...."
hilarious!!!
Date: Sat, May 26, 2007, 00:02:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles west of the Tower
Set list for Tower Theater Friday May 25 is THE SAME AS LAST NIGHT....
the band was incredible, even better than last night!!!! A great crowd....
WALTER TOLD A STORY DURING HEY 19 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DETAILS TO FOLLOW LATER........
see you in AC !!!!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 23:31:59 ET
Posted by: Sabu, Night 2 Tower Show
The silence is deafening. Go back to sleep freak.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 23:27:56 ET
Posted by: Ravin' Location: Laundry and Dishes,
Why? Hey, zup. Wouldn't Maxine be cool since its the end of school year--try to hold on. I better hide. Forgive?
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 22:43:16 ET
Posted by: why??,
o god i read Aja first and then proceeded to the next couple and i almost died. i soon realized the joke- but darn you!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 22:07:57 ET
Posted by: Ravin' Misbehavin', Pogada
Aja
Tomorrow’s Girls
Third World Man
Goodbye Look
TvN (omg)
Green Earrings
Western World
Whack
What I Do
Intermission and
Herrington/Leonhart Short medly set
11TOW J Girl
Slang
Pix
Fool
Gina
White Night Gown
Greenbook
Rag
Razor
News
Time
Security
Springtime
Morph
Encore
Heartbeat (again)
Movies
Oh, hey. Zup? I was just dreamin' that I just posted the setlist for AC. Glad it was only a dream.
zzzzzzz
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 20:43:10 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
On the earlier discussion about tempos, Keith Carlock starts off the song with a click track, but then tosses out his earpiece after a few seconds. Don and Walt like the freedom of not having to play with a click track live -- let the band dictate the groove. However, Keith starts with the click track just to get a consistency in the tempo every show.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 19:39:49 ET
Posted by: Rahaj, inversion layer
DB I mean.
Gee, Hoopsie, where can EYE get my Danny ballot????
Check email, send ballot, per favore, Giacomo.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 19:20:05 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, bound for The Dannys
Herington? Krantz? Carlock?
Have you voted in the Dannys, the Danfan poll?
Less than two days left to vote.
Email hoopsATdandomDOTcom for more info and ballot.
Jim
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 19:20:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
T.O. - Relevancy, one of my favorite mantras. So what does it mean? Simply that they still matter, they are still sending out musical messages that touch you, that inform you, that make you tingle like your first kiss. Or maybe more like an old married couple who still move it, move it. Now Bruce is a master showman, he's not, however, I think you'll agree, the greatest craftsman of the music, just strictly a great composer. It's pretty much the same old tricks. But like Dylan the forever-relevant, he offers you something very special: something important to say, something that you relate to. Whenever I hear, "Your Home Town," by Bruce I am reminded immediately of growing up in the Rust Belt, the shitty neighborhoods, the sky going orange every 45 minutes from the blast furnaces at Republic Steel in the flats, riding the bus, throwing the Plain Dealer onto porches from my bike on the morning Bobby Kennedy was shot here in LA. That's relevant. Bruce brings that, still does, even when he trods the well-worn path in his compositions. And Bruce is a machine in concert,something Steely Dan will never be.
Steely Dan is a horse of a different color. They are detached in concert save for those few occasions when the crowd overtakes them. Which doesn't happen too much and whose fault is that, Dandom? They're relevant still because of songs like Negative Girl which challenges the ear, the music is fashioned in such a way that it reveals something with each layer and all the while still harkening back to the great jazz masters. Like that guitar in the intro channelling Wes Montgomery. Or like Green Book, I'm convinced now the best song on EMG, beckoning you in the Phrygian scale.
So it's just that very few of the oldtimers can still bring it. When they do, you feel still connected today in 2007 just like a-way back then, it gives you a sense of wholeness and oneness with your own past, like they remember you and you remember you here in the now. And on that premise I can forgive any number of live renederings of Hey 19. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
Lucca calls...sarebbe difficile, DC.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 18:30:59 ET
Posted by: T.O. Danfan, Your right Rajah
Not too many performers have remained relevant and released good new material over 3+ decades. That would be why my 2 favourites are SD and Bruce. Always excited about their next release and never disappointed. Thing about Bruce...he gives it all for 3 hrs with his 10 pc group. Don & Walt could give us a bit more than 90 min. Never did grab a ticket for any US shows..still trying for Seneca anybody got ticket(s)? No luck on the Digest. I'm thinking (praying!) they may continue the tour after Oz/NZ and hit Canada and the rest of the US. I know some poster here is an Ottawa Sens fan. Get this...my son won a contest by downloading a Rangers logo to his phone, got auto entered into a contest and won the grand prize of an all expense paid trip to game 2 of the finals. So we're off to Anaheim. Too bad he's a Ranger fan and I'm a Hab fan. But rest assurred, we will have fun spending the 500 bucks that is part of the prize.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 18:06:20 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
i only have been at 2 Steely dan shows until today. Two times in Brussels (1996 & 2000). So from view from that angle it's pretty limitaded. Last year i saw Don two times in California (Temecula & LA)and that was really a great experience;
Krantz and Herrington were really great together on Third world and The Goodbye Look. Home at last and Black Cow were better versions than during the 96 and 2000 tour. Really amazing was the adapting version of Western World. I liked it very much.
Another revelation during the DF solo tour was Walt Weiskopf. What a saxophonist guys !!Two great albums of this feller are Symplicity and Night Lights.
So considerating the little experience i have with Dan concerts, Donald Fagen solo tour was the best one for me.
LONNIE, i will be in Lucca, Italy too. I hope to see you there. And Don Rajah, You have to be there as well Pall !!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:57:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well now not so fast,Lonnie,let's think about this rationally...Cynthia's cabana boy...hunh...ya know...
sounds like a pretty good gig.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 16:27:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Lonnie - I agree that Boston Rag was the best opener ever. The song is so dramatic, especially the way it comes at you, sneaking and snaking up with that one note on guitar that gets tweeked up the fretboard on each pass. Shimmering razor sharp glissando at its best. Chills. Thrills. That great tension. And a great Steely Dan is all about tension, expectancy, dread maybe even kinda. Slingin' that dread, here it comes.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:44:36 ET
Posted by: Lonniethekingpin, two cents
On the whole which tour is best debate. Let's face it -- they are all good. Would you rather be seeing Don Henley, the Eagles, etc? Hell no. For me, 2003 was their high water mark. That tour was smokin' good. The band was on fire. For those of you who missed the final night at Concord, CA (Cornelius Bumpus night) you missed a band that was smokin' hot and tight. Roseland 2003 was described by WB as the "best fucking SD concert ever" and WB has been to a few of their shows! The set list was awesome. hearing EMG and LWG back to back was awesome. Cubano chant was the best jazz intro yet. Jon Herington came into his own and put his own stamp on the great solos. Carlock was a beast and still is. For me, having three ladies in the choir is important. Ted Baker on an actual piano makes the sound warmer. And, of course, the most soulful of all SD players, the imcomparable Cornelius Bumpus, was in that 2003 SD Orchestra. No one can take his place on that stage. I will agree that the next best outfit was the Y2K band. Given my "handle", I obviously love The Boston Rag and that was an awesome first tune to hear in the show. I love to listen to versions of that one over and over. Let the debate rage as it is all good. I will be seeing the boys in Italy with no opening act. I hope to hear great stuff, as usual.
Ciao for now,
Lonnie
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:37:47 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Two Cents
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:31:51 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzni
saw the band in upper darby last nite,,, the was hot so....but not so white hot like '00 and after,,, i do prefer deeper tracks and we got the usual suspects! so tired of PEG! that being said carlock was awesome . Hopefully next time they'll forsake the opening act (which no ne even listened to anyway! Its ALWAYS GOOD to see steely dan!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:02:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Nice analysis, Bill. The 2003 tour was when we first heard Don struggle vocally. He seems by all accounts to be managing his voice nicely on this tour. He was fine and rested in January and we're not hearing many criticisms over here from the wonderful ones about pipe-strain.
I'll get over and vote on those Dannys, Hoops.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:52:58 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
Correction Police:
Yeah, you right, as they say in NOLA. I realized my errors after I posted. I agree that Bill Ware added a nice touch in 1993, probably not cost-effective to bring a vibist/percussionist on the road. Which reminds me - does the band get paid more for two sets instead of one? May help explain the shorter show this year. A band this size doesn't come cheap.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:52:00 ET
Posted by: Mick Seven, South Jersey
Will there be an opening act in AC?
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:50:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
So there! I was writing for the last 25 minutes and meanwhile someone was already posting on the Millenium Collection answering one of my questions! How's that for serendipity!? "Deacon Blues" is the most sublime and perfect Steely Dan song ever. It's their absolute best. "Bad Sneakers" is my favorite. Left off??? BAH!
Jim
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:46:15 ET
Posted by: correction police,
Bill- The "awards" came after the 2000 tour. And they toured in 2003 not 2004. Good post though.
p.s. Loved Bill Ware's vibe plaing in '93/'94
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:45:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Regarding all this discussion as to "Best Tour" and all, I have to scratch my head as to why so relatively few people are voting in the Dannys (Just 50 hours, 14 minutes left to vote as I post this.) Actually awards given out, poll, etc., and a chance to weigh in on your favorite show, band member, recreational chemical, etc. for all events from 2006.
That said, regarding best tour, I also find I am influenced in my opinion by the buzz surrounding each tour, personal circumstances enhancing or detracting from my ability to take it all in, etc. So below is how I see the tour experience but it doesn't necessarily mean which tour was best.
Just from a performance vantage, in 1993 and 1994 there was the development of the band. If there was any thing off it was chalked up to the fact they were just finally touring after all these years. In 1996, I heard comments about certain new players being off, etc. but then things came together by the time I got to the shows in early August. I thought 2000 had a helluva lot going for it in so many ways.
Yet certain things didn't happen in the band until 2003. Keith is the best drummer they've had. Walter has never played better than he has during 2006 and what I heard at Chumash. The horn section is great, although I miss some of the personalities of early tours, most notably Bumpus. I wish there were three girls up there instead of two, although Jeff Young ads a great male backup voice.
I also think, as someone put it, if they were going to play a catalog track they haven't played before, they would have done it by now. 2vN is an exception and maybe they have one or two still up their sleeve. But I don't see much more being radically added to the setlist.
Then there is the whole circumstances surrounding my own experience of these tours.
1993 and 1994 (really two parts of the same tour in a lot of ways--or at least they are sister tours) simply had the awe of there being a Steely Dan tour, hearing all these songs live for the first time, the anticipation of whether a new studio album would come next, and, yes, some of those new songs by Walter and/or Donald that were not yet released. And then just the idea of meeting Danfans and having the idealism of being a little younger than I am today. Work and family illness limited the number of shows I could attend but it was a buzz.
1996 was exciting in part because of WB & DF connecting with fans through SD.com. On top of that, it wasn't that easy for most assholes to get on the web and also fans had not yet fully "caught up" on all that happened in the decades before. So there was that "buzz". I could only attend some shows during the last 3 weeks of the tour as my father was ill and died during the first part of the tour.
2000 had so much going for it in that there was the new album, the DVDs, the new band, the four year hiatus, SD.com still being very active, and, it was a great year for Danfests as well. A lot of buzz. What really worked out well was that I had a job at that time that allowed me a lot of time off so I could go to quite a few shows. Going to a lot of show obviously adds to the experience, huh?
2003 also had a new album but after all that happened with 2000 and the accolades of 2001, I also had this feeling of "now what?" Perhaps it was just me but it was like some things peaked in 2000-2001. It was harder for me to enjoy the shows because I wasn't able to get away from work as easily. I also feel like what had started in the early 1990s with Steely Dan had come to an end at the end of this tour.
I see the Fagen tour as being very different than the 2006 tour. I think a new era in SD was marked with the Fagen tour. The Fagen tour had a lot of fresh things happening. It reminded me a touch of 1993 because, at least on the first DFB dates, there were some kinks being worked out, as well as a larger element of surprise. I couldn't go to any of the last third of the shows because of work.
Somehow--and I can't put my finger on it--I see the 2006 Summer and 2007 SD tours as Steely Dan's working tours. Sorta like their day jobs while they plot other projects, etc. And they're no slouches on their day jobs either! I hope I am surprised, but I don't expect much new at these shows although the performances are awesome. So far Chumash has been my favorite of these shorter Steely Dan shows. I can see a number of reasons why they have shortened the shows, but I have to say I feel much less satiated after seeing the single set shows, although the set is longer. I have this side project in addition to my regular job which in addition to finances and work, keeps me from going to the number of shows that would allow me to be immersed in it all.
So there are a lot of perspectives to consider.
After all that, 2000 was the tops in my book.
BTW: the ads for the Chicago Steely Dan concert show the new Millennium Collection album cover with a release date of June 12. Surely you have seen these compilations from Universal since they have literally hundred of them. The cover on all of these is a consistently formatted grey theme with a vintage photo (long-hair DF and WB in this case) and the truncated track list often just whets the casual fan's whistle to buy more albums by the artist. For us die-hards, I'm hoping it means maybe a couple of new remasters. Last year's "Ultimate Collection" was as frustrating to me as "Decade" in terms of a hits compilation, but I was pleased to get some fresh mastering on these tracks. (I never thought they would come out with an album cover I disliked more than "Decade".) The Millenium Collection is supposed to be in the new environmentally sensitive, degradable case that Universal has been packaging the series in as of late. Anyone who knows me personally knows how obsessive I am about the environment and recycling but to me these new cases seem so cheap that people are going to be more wasteful replacing them.
Enough of me already.
Jim
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:41:21 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah - Re:Krantz - Maybe so, but he made the 1996 Steely Dan band very uninteresting. After watching the Fagen band I guess he learned from his mistakes.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:35:53 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
My two cents on the tours:
1993 - Incredible return, long shows, adventurous set lists, Drew channels Carlton, Walter steps out of the shadows as a decent live co-lead guitarist and (IMO) vocalist (I know, many disagree). Nothing has gotten old yet.
1994 - Bit of a disappointment in that Georg Wadenius was a fine player but had a thin, tinny tone, set list more conservative, and we'd heard most of it already. They sound great on AIA, though.
1996 - New SD material! Including two that have never been recorded to this day. The most agressive band since 1974. Krantz used too much fuzz and stock rock licks for my taste, but I lean toward the Carlton/Denny/WB school of unconventional rock guitar. Agreed that they were one backup singer short that year. Loved the re-arranged Midnite Cruiser and Rikki and the first-draft Jack of Speed.
2000 - A new album! And all the buzz and media attention that went with it, pluss all those awards and the backlash they inspired. In Jon Herrington they found the ideal mix of Carlton, Dias and Skunk IMO. I also love the way he starts from the basic phrasing of a recorded solo but adds his own melodic content. Kinda like the record, but fresh. Ted Baker is a fine addition on piano.
2004 - Another new album! Quicker than anyone expected, and recorded primarily with the touring band for the first time since CTE. Keith C is the breakout star here. Not enough new/fresh material in the set for my preference, but still a fine tour.
2006 - The DF band minus Krantz becomes SD. Replacements for longtime sidemen Tom Barney and the departed Cornelius Bumpus step up to the task. Jeff Young, returning for the first time since 1992, contributes the first male backup vocals since 74 and expands the keyboard palette to include more Hammond and even some synth textures. Despite the all-70s set, a high-energy show, and I liked Mike McD's collaborations. Odd that they didn't feature him on I Got The News, his only real studio lead vocal appearance in the Old Testament. No WB vocals - some cheer that decision, I'm bummed.
2007 - Same band as last year. From what I'm hearing, a nice mix of new/old/classic/never played, guaranteed to leave everyone happy they heard some favorites and bitching about omissions, depending on whether you're a "deep cut" fan like us or a greatest hits-kinda concertgoer. They promised solo stuff, haven't delivered. We've all been spoiled on their two-set headliner shows which is pretty rare for anybody these days, so lots of griping about relative brevity of shows. Not coming here this year so I'll have to appreciate them vicariously. WB returns to the mic for one of two moldy oldies he does well IMO, but I'd have preferred something new from his long-awaited new solo effort.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:30:10 ET
Posted by: >, .
My guess: The millenium collection will have 9 songs; All their top 40 hits save Deacon Blues. If they decide to round it out to 10, Bad Sneakers.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:22:21 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
New Countermoom Zine short story...
"Saturday Night" by Ian McEeeeewwww!
http://donaldfagen.com/countermoon_story1.php
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:12:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah ,
That's a lovely Prince Valiant hairdo Don is sporting in that old picture on the Millenium cover. Looks like a helmet.
And I'm certain I haven't seen such oddly configured facial hair like Walter is cultivating since Deliverance. How did he get his sideburns to grow out at that angle? They defy gravity. Did he have to weed and water that whole thing I wonder?
Wayne Krantz and Jon were a great match. Talk about a guy who knows his different scales, Krantz is so inventive and adventurous. He'd make this current Steely Dan much more interesting to watch IMHO.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:05:04 ET
Posted by: ?,
s-fan- thanks for the link but why did you post it? Nothing new there.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:57:53 ET
Posted by: angel,
Kid Clean and others who mentioned it. Yes, Wayne Krantz on The Donald Fagen Band tour brought a little bit of wildness to the playing that so offset Herington. It was so wonderful to watch them both. Remember that solo during Third World Man, when they both do it exactly the same, note for note. It just doesn't get better...
--
Fife: Been in The Spit Zone too. What a cool thing to watch that man in action, up close and personal. You are so lucky. :-)
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:44:13 ET
Posted by: Edger, .
http://www.amazon.com/20th-Century-Masters-Millennium-Collection/dp/B000Q364K6/ref=sr_1_3/104-9476687-3443126?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1180114980&sr=1-3
They finally appear on an album cover.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:40:28 ET
Posted by: S-fan, .
The millenium collection. I can't wait.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/81-05242007-1352555.html
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:37:53 ET
Posted by: angel,
LP: I priced flying over to Belgium with on stop in Detroit...great minds. LOL
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:36:18 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
Obviously each tour has had it's own particular highlight, but overall, I would echo the sentiment of Y2K being the best, although I've got one more show this year. I have been lucky enough to see every tour including NYR&SR, with the exception of the '95 Roseland shows. I, too, thought Krantz was out of place back in '96. He's a great player but didn't quite seem to fit in there. On the other hand, as a part of the DFB tour, he was absolute pefection and grace. The '96 tour had, I think, the most varied set list, with some nuggets and some new stuff. I definately prefer this version of Jack of Speed with Walter singing over the Y2k version. However, I think having the new product out in Y2K weighs very heavy on everyone leaning towards that being the best tour. It was simply a miracle to have that happening. I can still remember the most of the setlist without cheating. Boston Rag was a great opener, Herrington shined on Bodhi, Night by Night was super, then Janie, Josie, Black Friday, Walter on Daddy, Bad Sneakers, Jack of Speed and West of Hollywood. Hopefully that's right. The second set went Royal Scam, Deacon, Monkey, Cousin, Dirty, Peg, KC, DTMA, FM, MOS. Again, I'm pretty sure that's it, at least the shows I went to. In '03 they had big hairy balls starting with Aja but it worked great. I also loved Parkers Band from that tour, I think they could have easily doubled it's length by giving everyone a minute or so to solo. '03 also saw the last of the Josie drum solo.
Blah, blah, blah......gotta get back to work.
KC
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:33:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You guys, go, sweetheart, glad you're having such a great time. Sounds like your glass is way more than half full, metophorically speakin'.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:32:24 ET
Posted by: Fife, on the road
All I can say about the Tower Theater WHOOHOO!!!!
I ended up right up front boogeying my ass off just to the right of Fagen. I also got a chance to chat to Freddie Washington for a brief moment. I have to say the energy was incrediable and Don and Walt were totally into it. I was so close to Donald I could see the spray.
Can't wait for AC.
See everyone there!
Fife
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:21:47 ET
Posted by: anymanleft, rio grande
I agree with 2000 being the best tour to date. From Boston Rag to My Old School ,the setlist was great and Don's voice in top form. 96 setlist was good also, but the band was not as honed at that time. 2003 brought a tighter band but more repetious setlist. It's all good, though, compared to no SD at all.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:09:16 ET
Posted by: Me, .
Raj,
You are correct. All those groups you mention are relegated to having a greatest hits compliation on my Ipod.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:03:53 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Best shows? Goanna have to put in a vote for 2000, although I was 12 and it was my first concert, I still think there was something extra special when they opened with the Boston Rag in Boston, even though I already knew it was the opener for every show. I was out on the lawn and couldn't see a thing, but the sound was pristine and the crowd was vibing the hardest out of all the Steely Dan shows I've seen since. Plus, the band - jazz pianist with chops playing a baby grand instead of that awful "digital piano" Jeff Young plays (although I like his extra keyboards). Cornelius, Shephard, Leonhart, and the introduction of the trombone to the horn section. The crowd buzzing with anticipation, the first shows in 4 years, the band supporting the first new record in 20 ...
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:38:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
What I missed is that if you just want to enjoy them in your way then let people with a different orientation enjoy them their way.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:30:40 ET
Posted by: lp, again, still at work
I know the gentlemen love the midriff tours and who didn't love cousin dupree live, but the year of the soul sisters and "3 saxophones" and
DREEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG
was pretty awesome, no?
and up to this year (waahh), I had seen them all, including NYRSR
just for laughs, I priced a long weekend trip to one of the Osaka shows and it would cost about 2 grand minus the cost of the ticket - one stop in detroit, not bad - hhhmmmm...
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:10:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
My take, for what it's worth, is that very few musical ensembles out there, much less any from 35 years ago, can stand up to any type of objective criticism. Can you really sit around examining the nuances of Chicago, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones(yeech), Journey, AC/DC, Foreigner, Fleetwood Mac, Kansas, the Eagles(I wanna hurl), Lnyryd Skynryd, REO Speedwagon, Van Halen, Styx and ZZ Top? How long would that conversation last? Sure, you may like a few songs from any of these guys, we could agree that some of them actually had a period of time when they were vital and even somewhat relevant. But does their work matter now? Are most of them still even at it? And when and if they do new music, how much of it reminds you of refried beans and that icky junk stuck to the inside of last night's pizza box?
So if those of us who are tagged naysayers and wink-wink experts means we are still engaged in a discussion of the continuing development of the rare artist like Steely Dan, then OK, I'll cop to that. I mean, if I just wanted to lie there face up, sated and slack-jawed, staring up into the abyss while Foghat grinds it out in the background...I was gonna say I could do that but I realize that would be impossible. But anybody who purports to be an aficiando of the band of the Blue and just lets it all, ya know, flow over themselves, whatever, good or bad, yeah, play Hey 19 and FM over and over till I'm insensate, transport me yet again to My Old School, let's once again recall the manic decampment of Mr. Owlsley in Kid Charlemagne.
But the reality it seems is that the promise of everything must go hasn't panned out here on stages across America and the world. Everything didn't go, the test tubes and the scales are still on the counter by their keys, they didn't get it all out of here. The road less taken still awaits.
Too bad, cause I think there's still gas in that car.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:10:13 ET
Posted by: Y2k,
Agree with the sentient re: Y2k tour being the best performance and setlist, followed closely by 96 Tour. Although the first set of 03 tour is right up there with best set in terms of song order/arrangement of any.
One other thought on the Kid C discussion, that song IMO has always compared quite poorly live to the studio version (absent is the crunchy clavinet) I'm not sure why they are so enamored of performing it when others come off far better live (e.g. Aja, Black Cow, Green Earrings)
Lastly, with a small theater tour, I was really thinking we might be a few more subtle tunes, like YGT I or II and Throw Back The Little Ones, which I think would KILL live.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:07:57 ET
Posted by: Billy, Boston
My favorite part of this years "I Got the News" is Jeff Young's improvised intro. He really plays it great!
I would 100% switch Kid C. with Don't Take Me Alive for this tour!
I think the song list in '96 was very good but it was the worst band that they ever went out with. Only two back up singers. Carolyn was way young and didn't have her chops in order yet. And that other girl Michelle, wasn't very good. Wayne Krantz was playing those classic Steely Dan solos like a man from Mars. He wasn't a good fit for that tour/band. He was great with the Fagen band though.
Looking forward to the Boston shows.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:06:04 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Maybe backtrack for the tour ;-)
No, it's really interesting!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:03:40 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
ccw
Or DF and others helping WB finish his cd
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:00:42 ET
Posted by: wormy, n.o.
best tour
2000
then I didn't see the Fagen tour with Nightfly and Morph material
(anyone want to connect me to a live recording of Maxine, etc)
2003 was good but 2000 had that anticipation
Jack of Speed, Deacon Blues, Don't Take Me Alive
still lame encores even in 2000
did love them opening with Aja in 2003
I'd take Carlock over showboat Lawson though
if 2007 would clock in at 2:00 instead of 1:43:10 on the dot
some setlist changes
it might rank up there
bring back Janie Runaway!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:49:29 ET
Posted by: ccw, dc
I was on Stephen Malkmus' website (I don't know if there's a whole lot of Steely Dan fans who are also Pavement fans like myself, although one could argue there are some similarities in their concepts of cerebral, snarky, witty lyrics masking deeper, sadder sentiments, but anyway...)
And this is posted in the News section, apparently back in April: "TJ Doherty, fresh from a Donald Fagen session in Kauai, kept an eye on the meters."
So does this mean there was some recording action prior to this tour kicking off? A new Fagen solo album? Just a single track? I have no idea, but I was psyched to see it.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:21:26 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
"I have attended many SD concerts over the years best tour by far was 2000.
Agree/ thoughts?"
If not 2000 then surely 1996 thru 2003, so guess we could say that whole era was the peak in terms of live performances. 2003 did give us Roseland, Saturday night. 1996 gave us the deepest cuts of all, with 2 tunes never to make it to recording. However, we guess the real peak was 1977-79, circa, with he compostions of Aja and Gaucho? 2VN was right up there though. Truely an awesome 35 year span. Best is yet to come probably, we expect. Many artists blossom later in life, it's just the Hollywood mass media thing doesn't work for 55-65 year old men, or women.
Still great to see them doing their thing, after all these years.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:18:32 ET
Posted by: been to , near phillie
your all wrong
96 Art Crimes
tour was a monster
It was the last tour without the naysayers and you that became experts
and we just enjoyed
ac 96
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:55:36 ET
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @work on a nice day, boo hoo
Cuz it feels so empty without me...
yes, Angel, I do get a lot of applause at that line when it's heard live - it's pretty funny!
FM in Philly - did I see that right? wow -
keep the reviews coming!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:53:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Y2K was their peak.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:43:25 ET
Posted by: MR. DAN, CHI-T
I have attended many SD concerts over the years best tour by far was 2000. What a setlist: Boston Rag, Night by Night, Glamour Profession, Don't Take me Alive. The shows were outdoors with 25k+ in attendance. Donald's chops were in prime form. The only piece that was missing was KC on drums.
Agree/
thoughts?
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:18:28 ET
Posted by: angel,
Mr. Dan: I would definitely bring back Don't Take Me Alive for Europe, Japan and Australia. They haven't seen it as much as the U.S. has. My opinion...you can't have enough of the Luckless Pedestrian! Love that song!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:01:44 ET
Posted by: MR. DAN, ON LOCAL
I would love 4 sd to bring back "Don't take me alive"
agree?
thoughts?
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:55:33 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Drummers, Cans and Tempos
Yep KC wears in ear monitors like 99.9% of all pro drummers these days. Andy Newmark (Sly, Lennon, Roxy Music, David Bowie) doesn't. Often there is a combination of monitors and in ears.
I know Keith used the metronome on the EMG tour just to get things going - apparently D&W wanted consisent tempos throughout the tour.
I don't know if he's doing the same thing on this tour - any clues anyone.
Keith has really good time - Security Joan was apparently done without a click which is rare these days.
As far as tempos go - the track that seems to have the biggest variation is AJA
On the EMG tour is was very sedate and slightly slower than the album version.
Last year it had sped up a whole load while the 2007 version seems somewhere in between.
I have to say it does sound that they have let KC of the leash on this tour with more of his personality coming to the fore - the end TOOM where he comes up with some of his trademark fills, which have a distinctly New Orleans flavour to them, is a good example.
The drumming now sounds like Keith Carlock doing Keith Carlock rather than Keith Carlock doing impressions of Purdie/Gadd/Porcaro/Marotta/Gordon/etc.
Cheers
Richard (waiting for July 5th)
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 05:31:19 ET
Posted by: Guess Who, Guess Where
Lesser Gods Review [community service sentence from the alrighty one] of the unflippinbelievable SD at Tower Theater, TH 5/24.
Please consider the long and sweet commentary using rhetoric from the late great theatre maestro Leland Starnes, circa 1970s. The bargain begins when the patron enters the theatre. As well, and paraphrasing one bluebooker (Spring ’06 DF tour): their job is to kick your arse and the patrons’ job is to let them.
Let’s begin outside, however. Coming from the West (State St.? toward 69th) you may pass $5 parking two blocks before traffic jam at 69th. Take that spot! If not, the parking in the garage $10 was smooth and very efficient. All terrific.
The marquis—Tonight: Steely Dan. Easy access into theatre, well organized w/ coolest, friendly staff. Lots ‘o ‘rinks but ice cup o’ ice is $2.50. Bathroom staff clipping along around $50/hr. and well deserved--expensive hairspray, hand towelettes and a pretty girl too.
Tower Theater is majestic and lofty and great air conditioning. Great ushers in the house. Ushers gave permission to take photos, but expect camera malfunction due to forces of nature. Comfortable velvet seating. Cocktail waitresses—whadotheythnkofnxt? Audience—diverse, youthful, intelligent w/ low roar—a low E ambient hum.
Stage appearance: third-wall effect via proscenium arch and lighting arrangement.
Overall, musicianship—immaculate and world class. Songs—all deep cuts. Two or three microphones need upgrading on vocals, IMO. Brass—immaculate and world class. Percussion—immaculate and world class. No beach ball, sadly. Lots of fog. Dancing in aisles and around the forum--unfettered. Air quality--improved as show progressed. Afterglow—priceless.
Sound quality: good, but mixer does not think outside the cave. Exquisite midrange and intense highs. Risk-taking-just-in-time corrective measures for predicted inadequate low-end frequency quality were nil. Bass speakers were placed ergonomically incorrect, placed at audience head level on left and right of stage. (Always bring earplugs to a concert.) The other p.a. speakers seemed to be state-of-the art, hoisted to top of arch. However, the loge is actually above that sound projection. Based upon our earlier patron experiences in balcony, subsidized sound may or may not be incorporated. Rounded high ceiling is a plus to theater. Nonetheless, in the back orchestra (beneath balcony—in the pines) monitors hang from the ceiling for some damn reason.
An unplugged song or two during sound check will verify that the architectural design of venue does not anticipate today’s sound treatment quagmires. For fun and to show off the virtues of the venue’s structure, perhaps offer a segue with Harrington on acoustic and Leonhart on whatevah for a tasty treat. Also consider unplugging the big system and provide headphones to each audience member, plugged into the output of the mixing board—for a more intimate listening experience.
Conclude please now by moving from first theater impressions to balcony bungee jumping, oh no! The lighting review is respectfully diminutive. Nice toys, boys. Some true artwork happening—a sincere congrats! But sorry, there’s so little time for morecommentary. To say the least, patrons bring your mini flashlights and shades-- lighting in audience seemed either too dark or too bright.
You want some more farmer? Please email “I want more” to jayme48athotmaildotcom. Have your credit card email address available. The cost is $1.99 per minute, license, tags, and fees not included--cash and carry only. For your consideration, the expanded review of the mise en scené consultation shall be cheerfully shared. In other words, for this lesser god to sing, it will cost someone something somewhere. Until the great American Memorial Day weekend: takerezy patrons, epicureans, Sherlock Holmes, and friends of squirrels and gorgeous sidekicks.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 05:20:56 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
THE DOCTOR WU BAND WILL BE PLAYING AT THE MALIBU INN JUNE 1ST
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 02:52:18 ET
Posted by: Hopeful Location: laptop,
did someone utter Walter?
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 00:59:47 ET
Posted by: Remembering last tour "News", NYC
Did Walter burn up the frets on "News" like last tour??
He utterly smoked on his final verse lead last time around - hoping he is still so inspired!
Glad to hear they are continuing to change it up.
FM was almost always a good encore tune in the past, yes?. Did they rip it, or slog through it??
It's a tricky song when performed live - almost "all or none" the way they have treated it in the past.
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 00:23:17 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
FM....................YES!!!!!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 00:17:45 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles west of the Tower
...forgot to mention:
outro song: Carloyn
an incredible show, great audience...outstanding all around!!!!!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 00:16:23 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles west of the Tower
Tower Theater
Thursday May 24, 2007
SET LIST
Jeri
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
Two Against Nature
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (WB vocal)
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I got the News
Dirty Work (ladies!!!)
Josie (band intros)
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
ENCORE:
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Incredible show!!!!! More info tomorrow!!!!
Date: Fri, May 25, 2007, 00:13:27 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area
Set List (as I best recall), Tower Theater, May 24
Time Out Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
Haitian Divorce (Walter Vocals)
Hey 19
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I've Got the News
Dirty Work (Cindy & Carolyn Vocals)
Josie
Aja
FM
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Excellent show, Crowd was really into it, Band was tight.
However, Donald appears to be struggling on vocals. Don't know how he will be able to do all those consecutive shows in Japan.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 23:23:27 ET
Posted by: bobbaxter@comcast.net, Philly
Can anyone who went to tonights tower show provide a setlist? I've got tix for tomorrow nights show.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 22:08:29 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Those could also be "in-ear monitors"...which many drummers use these days instead of regular monitors.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 18:48:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, the little white earpiece, I'm still calling them cans. As I recall now you are correct sir.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 18:31:26 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains
Keith doesn't have cans, but an earpiece that plugs into a metronome that sits on his music stand. On the EMG tour, he listened to the 'nome for a few seconds then clicks off the song. He then pulls out the earpiece during the song or keeps in in
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 18:27:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That's cause they're so tired of playing it.
BTW, Keith does wear the "cans" doesn't he?
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 18:14:49 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
I have Kid C
97 bpm Wallingford 2007
96 bpm Royal Scam
What a beat between friends?
Richard
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 17:49:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh yeah, I hear ya...that puppy should be put down for a nap.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 17:40:37 ET
Posted by: Roseland Rules, NJ
Rajah & TJ - No matter what the reason is, Kid C. ain't happening this tour.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 17:31:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Kid Charlemagne is not being played any slower, it's where Keith places the kick drum that is at variance with the record and gives the aural illusion of a slower tempo. I believe he drops one out, the first of two per four beat measure.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 17:17:30 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Fife - um, I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about :) Actually I'm not sure what you're talking about because Monday was so wild you could be referencing anything! But I'm sure you'll tell me all about if I make it to the blessed Borgota on Saturday night.
Enjoy Philly tonight!
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 16:08:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Thanks for this review posted earlier:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/083005.php
I think this passage says it all (or at least a lot of it :#) )
Eight of the shows sixteen songs came from either Aja or Gaucho, and if I had a small bone to pick, it would be a desire to hear more from their earlier offerings, especially Countdown to Ecstasy. Nonetheless, a band as prolific and successful as Steely Dan shouldn't have to answer to such misgivings. Regardless of their set list, inevitably there will always be At Least half a dozen songs we would have liked to have heard, so we venture out satisfied hearing Walter Becker sing "Haitian Divorce" in a funky, reggae-like cadence somewhat devoid of any emotion.
BRAVO!
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 15:39:25 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Robert, I don't doubt that. Sorry if it seems that way. I just mean that it seems they have always been playing it at the same measureable tempo. Something else must be at stake.
Maybe the band (are tired of the song, and therefor) are playing it very very laid back. Maybe the arrangement, the groove, something else is changed. Lazy musicians can make everything seem slow.
Anyone?
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 15:32:58 ET
Posted by: Robert, NJ
TJ- All of my die hard SD friends heard the change in tempo on Kid C. We would talk about the show after it was finished and all of us noticed it.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 15:17:48 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
And now we are at it. I checked my live recordings:
Alive in America: 99 beats per minute
Steely Dan Live in Dallas 12-07-2006: 97 bpm
Steely Dan Live in Camden NJ 19-08-2006: 97 bpm
So it's not any slower, but maybe the did something else to it? did Wanhington and Carlock change the groove or something?
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 15:09:35 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Robert, Kid C may have been faster on earlier tours, but I had the Music Police compare it to the album version.
Here are the surprising results:
This live version from this tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy-dwF9-j_Q + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWZvw4AA6U&mode=related&search=) is approx 97 bpm.
The original version from The Royal Scam is.... 97 bpm.
I bet Donald double checked it with the album cause the band was beginning to play it way to fast. The protagonist is so drugged everything has to be moving slowly, heavy, groovy etc... (Maybe).
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 14:51:03 ET
Posted by: Robert, NJ
Don- (The Monkey House guy). I can't wait to get your book! Good job son.
TJ - The slow "Kid C" may "sound cool and groovy" on youtube, but live it doesn't sound very good.
This is a song about a drug dealer running from the cops. Of all the songs they want to slow up, why this one? It doesn't make sense.
"The test tubes and the scale, lets get em all out of here".
I don't think this character should be moving in slow motion. Plus it's the last song before the encore. That alone should tell you why slowing up this "classic" song is a mistake.
I've spoken to a bunch of friends that have been to multiple shows and the one thing we all agree on is how "butchered" Kid C sounds.
What A Shame about THAT!
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 14:40:21 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, joining in, as it were
Hey Don,
Your book sounds really good! I'll retain this link, and get it at the opening of the third quarter of this year, bro! (Hope you're as sweepingly good as you mentioned!)
Just got off of the phone with Gene H. Brown, my Dad; he's just done a deal with Tony Douglas, Gene Watson, Tony Booth and Joe Paul Nichols!! Quite the fiddle player, is my Old Man. I can't wait to take little Billy Joel down to see him on Memorial Day...
And I envy you cats, down in my soul!! Girl Margaret--so "into" the scene! Wow, what a moment, what a synergy we've got...WISH I COULD BE A PART, Y'ALL. Think of me, if it occurs to you, while "Deacon Blues" rolls out, if it does...
Rajah, you're unclear to me, big bro! Gretchen, you were meant for...oh, nevermind. Gus, you would've been the best if Eric (from S.F.) hadn't dug up the HST reference first...Rob, still the coolest, and Geoff, what can I say?! GOD DAMN IT, WHY AM I OUT OF THIS LEG OF THE TOUR?!
'Cause I'm betting it all on Luca? I mean (and Walter, you're an authority--please guide me): this isn't "rational planning" anymore, is it?
I mean, is it, really? Somebody tell me, 'cause I really need to know...selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 14:02:35 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I trust you guys. Just ordered the 33 1/3 book on Aja.
4 days delivery to Denmark. Total price 12 dollars. Nice!
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 13:54:58 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Don: I ordered your 33 1/3 book on Aja 2 days ago. I used Amazon.com for the order. Gina highlighted it on her Mizar5 board and being I "knew" you from here, I made the score. Good luck with your book and I can't wait to read it.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 13:50:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Don, pardon me. I get my Dans and Dons confused for some unknown reason.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 13:45:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Cow? That's not a cow. It's got horns, I mean, I'm no zoologist but, no. Is that suppose to be a flame coming up outta that thing? Remeinds me of the old Steely Dan posters, though.
Dan, those 33 1/3 booklets are great, I have the MC5 Kick Out the Jams and Velvert Underground with Nico books. If you guys out there don't know what these things are, they're these neat little paperbound volumes that really go in depth in analyzing one of the classic albums or one of the cult favoites in rock history, musically of course but they also do a kind of timecapsule placement of the album in relation to cultural and historical perspectives. Significant albums are a sort of chronicle of the time, these books are an irresistible read.
Here's the complete list of what's been covered so far:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/phxphreak/33_1_3_series/
You're sure to find some of your favorites in there. They're easy to find on the shelf cause of their diminutive size.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 13:35:45 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
I like the poster. Consider how much alcohol features prominently in SD lyrics - it's totally appropriate. My first reaction before noticing the bull (not cow) was The Cuervo Gold.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 13:19:20 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of the Tower
...great poster.....!!!! how does one get a copy?
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 12:31:03 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
KICK ASS IMAGE for Tower!!
(Right, Milo?)
Thanks for posting that and special thanks to Jim Mazza. I'll have to get that added to the Philly Danfest page in a bit. Why any one would mindlessly criticize that is so low.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 12:11:42 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto
Ticketmaster just released some Niagara Falls tickets. Managed to get 2 before they sold out, but people might want to keep trying in case some more free up.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 12:04:36 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto
||||| JUST PUBLISHED: DB'S AJA BOOK ||||| Hey BlueBookers, A bit of self-promo: Continuum Publishing's 33-1/3 series consists of books about classic albums (Highway 61 Revisited, Let It Be, Exile on Main Street, etc.). Their newest title is Aja, volume 46 of the series, written by yours truly. Donald Fagen was interviewed at length for the book, and it goes deep into lyrics, harmony, sidemen, influences, recording, personalities, everything. It's more than most people would want to know about Aja -- but not you guys! Available at amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, etc.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 11:31:50 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
The slow Kid C sounds cool. So groovy.
I dunno why this stuff is fun to watch but it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_UxcvigzzQ
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 11:04:04 ET
Posted by: Unlucky Henry, U.K.
Nice to read about the current SD shows.
They will be over here soon...
In the meantime I have just been to a tiny local venue to see Elliott Randall ( now a UK resident ) and some hot local session guys lovingly recreate the early rock 'n roll Dan, amongst other things.
They played Black Friday, Green Earrings, Reelin' and Bhodhisattva.
When Elliott launched into a flawless recreation of the Reelin' solo ( a blessing or a curse for the poor guy ?!) the hairs stood up on the back of my neck.
And I thought I was too old for that shit.
A little piece of the seventies....................
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 11:01:06 ET
Posted by: MR DAN, ON LOCAL
Boy they sure butchered Kid C.
Vwey slow tempo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy-dwF9-j_Q
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 10:39:47 ET
Posted by: Andrew, Rumson
Check out this Tower Theatre poster made by Jim Mazza:
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8851/81212sw6.jpg
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 10:38:32 ET
Posted by: S-fan, .
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/083005.php
Another Beacon synopsis. Interesting how many of these make note of the audience reaction to Godwhacker.
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 09:59:50 ET
Posted by: Eberhart, Schweinfurt
I agree 100 %
Date: Thurs, May 24, 2007, 09:59:13 ET
Posted by: Eberhart, Schweinfurt
Thats right
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 23:13:18 ET
Posted by: seth 2112, cleveland via tampa and nyc
any word about a toledo zoo dan fest?
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 22:36:02 ET
Posted by: Abe, .
I emailed the blogger and asked him if he was referring to Cindy or Carolyn. He said they were both beautiful, but he was referring to Cindy.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 22:10:22 ET
Posted by: Forster Brooks, hey bartender........
Flipkid- Yes, thanks for the link. That was great!
Don't listen to Rajah. He doesn't like any "ratbag" that's smarter and more clever then he is.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 22:05:55 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Denise sorry I missed you, I'm in the green right at the moment, a lonely place.
Fife
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 21:52:25 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Flipkid, thanks for the link! That was really funny...
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 20:56:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Fife, go on the green: want to hear all about it.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 20:51:14 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Girl Margaret I do believe that I heard you sniffle and cough a little on Monday night. Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink you know what I mean, you know what I mean!!!!!
Here's hoping!
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 20:51:04 ET
Posted by: kz kz kz, ny ny ny
Re; Monday/Beacon
Thought the Donalds voice was raspy/sore...sound was quite clean IMO.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 19:36:32 ET
Posted by: Matt in NC,
Unfortunately, I can't make the trip up to Atlantic City on Saturday, so I've got two tickets on the floor I can't use. Anybody interested? I figure we're close enough to 72 hours until showtime to post on this page.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 18:02:02 ET
Posted by: JamieTampa, Dark side of Tampa
Book of Liars........Ghia Girl.......what a great song ~ I heard it today on Alive in @merica.....I doubt they dust it off though, can
you imagine ?
Pe@ce,
Jamie
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 17:10:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, park ridge
FYI:
The following Danfest pages have been updated or at least tweaked...
PHILLY
http://dandom.com/danfests/philly
ATLANTIC CITY
http://dandom.com/danfests/atlanticcity
BOSTON (including The Dannys)
http://dandom.com/danfests/boston
NYC
http://dandom.com/danfests/nyc
CHICAGO
http://dandom.com/danfests/chicago
MILWAUKEE
http://dandom.com/danfests/milwaukee
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 17:07:51 ET
Posted by: hoops, park ridge
Remember to get your Dannys Ballots in! Time's 'a wastin'!
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few miknutes ago, this one covering from May 21-23.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for May 21-23,2007:
• Vote in The Dannnys--the Steely Dan Fan Readers poll
• Danny Voting Prize: The Early Bird Gets the Prizes
• DANFEST UPDATE: Philly, Atlantic City, Boston, more coming up
• Ticket Exchange
• REDUX: Stay in touch with Official Steely Dan News
• Oodles of Ticket ads in the TICKET EXCHANGE
• Send us your show Reviews
• SPOILER: Wallingford, CT Setlist 5/18
• SPOILER: NYC Beacon Set Lists 5/21 & 5/22
• SPOILER: NY Times Beacon Review
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious (and much more glamorous) Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 16:16:16 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
What can I say about two fabulous shows at the Beacon Theater. Monday was great but Tuesday was definately better - sound wise, energy wise, everything wise. I was sitting by myself last night in next to some other people who came alone but became insta-friends through the magic of beer, and asked me how old I was and if I'd ever seen Steely Dan before. When I told them 25 and 21 times I think jaws hit the floor and tounges rolled down the aisle (the floor was definately sticky). I spent the better part of the show educating the young woman next to me who couldn't understand why they wouldn't play Rikki Don't Lose That Number. Then to make her evening fabulous I dragged her up towards the stage during Bodhisatva. Good times.
Karen, Sue, I miss you both already. Dinner was so much fun last night. Gil, it was great meeting you last night. Gus, your words have uplifted me! Hoops, thanks for the phone call last night, it was great talking to you and I can't wait for Boston! Fife and Sam and Steely Parents I hope to see you Saturday night but those evil managers of mine scheduled me to work Sunday morning at 10AM! AC is a three hour drive... think I can make it? Well, we'll just wait and see :)
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 15:49:48 ET
Posted by: heymike, chi
exactly Raj-that guy was way right on the creep meter to make any of it amusing.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 14:21:01 ET
Posted by: DSL,
kz,kz,kz,
Re: The Beacon:
I thought that Monday night was kind of shitty as far as the vocals went. Very boomey and muddy. Much better last night though.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 14:03:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Either lady would make a charming companion. But not for a ratbag like the guy on the blog.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 14:02:07 ET
Posted by: kz,kz,kz, ny,ny,ny -so nice we named it thrice
How hot was Keith C?-smoking!! Especially on Mondays' AJA...Best ever. The Donald & Wally must have told him to let r rip. Godwacker was blazing too. Also the sound at Beacon was crystal clear both shows. Great sets...great setlists...see ya next month for 3 more. Woo-hoo!!
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 14:01:41 ET
Posted by: admirer, of ms mizell
It had to have been Cyndi Mizell
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:50:52 ET
Posted by: admirer, of ms mizell
It had to have been Cyndi Mizell
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:45:56 ET
Posted by: Beacon Beaner, again
Near the start of last night's show, Fagen introduced himself as something like "Lonely Donnie Fay". Anybody else catch that?
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:42:29 ET
Posted by: Beacon Beaner, NYC
In my opinion the NYT review was a rather good writeup in the larger scheme of things. It's clear the writer unlike many other "reviewers" is informed about SD and is very admiring of them in general, and conveys many positives about SD and their music in the context of the review. The reviewer observes the truth-- the MUSIC of the new stuff is every bit as good or better than the old, but the AUDIENCES respond to the old. It may not have been rapturous about the show (which I attended and throught was very fine) but it was positive in most ways, and in my opinion was a fair reporting of the old/new setlist pressures SD faces every night trying to make everybody happy including themselves.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:11:59 ET
Posted by: Craig B, On the way to Loma Linda Hospital
Old Nate must not have been at the same show that folks on the Blue were I've read nothing but excellent reviews here on the Blue
Screw him!
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 12:22:08 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Hey
Tjeck out this review from Beacon:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-hill/steely-danned_b_49123.html
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 12:18:59 ET
Posted by: Net Etiquette, .
Before posting a link to a concert review, use CTRL-F to search to see if it's already been posted here.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 12:12:08 ET
Posted by: Denise, H cubicle
Hopeful, I agree with you on one thing for sure: if Walter wants to try something new, I'm there. (Not sure about the swiifer duster thing, but, hell, I'd give it a listen!)
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 11:48:10 ET
Posted by: EXTRA! EXTRA!, Read All About It
From the wire, The NYTimes Beacon Review:
Music Review | Steely Dan
Tolerating the New Tunes, but Exulting in the Old
By NATE CHINEN
Published: May 23, 2007
[ note from hoops: As someone else also posted below, check out this article at this link...sorry, we can't reprint articles here in their entirety. ]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/23/arts/music/23stee.html?ref=music
OUCH. Cue the Lexi "head up the arse" comment over at DF.com!
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 11:44:43 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
Totally hysterical blog/review of one of the Beacon shows:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-hill/steely-danned_b_49123.html
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 11:24:40 ET
Posted by: Mo,
Craig B asked: How long was Sam Yahel set at the Beacon?
About 40 minutes
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 10:57:47 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
How long was Sam Yahel set at the Beacon?
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 10:11:36 ET
Posted by: heymike,
I wonder which backup singer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-hill/steely-danned_b_49123.html
________________________________
sniveling little punk--who cares.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 10:05:51 ET
Posted by: Abe, .
I wonder which backup singer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-hill/steely-danned_b_49123.html
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 10:00:23 ET
Posted by: JoeM,
Yet another great show at The Beacon last night. Babylon Sisters, Pretzel Logic, 2VN and a particularly incendiary Bodhisattva were standouts in my opinion. Great musicianship, great sound - I love these guys. Look forward to their return to NYC in a few short weeks. The Beacon house band? Works for me.
Joe
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 09:50:31 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
David Palmer?
Dias looks so cool. Steady allright.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 09:39:38 ET
Posted by: heymike, chicago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AECrj-bujw&mode=related&search=
Who is the dude on the tambourine ?
Looks like Don wants to backhand him.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 09:28:28 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, laptop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyJjfGq1GqI
Well, some respite for the weary. Later. God bless you guys, students and teachers. OUT
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 09:00:53 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
To Kid Clean (aka Razor Boy),
Good to hear from you! I remember you as well -- that was a great party in Chicago. We'll have to try to figure out some place to meet up before the show. And you're welcome to the license plate. Do people sometimes come up to you in a parking lot and say, "You must be a Steely Dan fan, huh?")?
DrWu
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 08:05:38 ET
Posted by: wormy, n.o.
hopefully June flows eternal with variety
where better to work out in concert new numbers than Portsmouth
right before a 3 night Beacon return
I'll be watching with baited ears
w.t.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 07:57:42 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Question:Gretchen and Fife reported DF and wife leaving together after the show. Does DF usually take his wife on Tour?
Anybody?
Thanks
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 07:05:11 ET
Posted by: ghia girl, NJ
I really don't care about the play list. I can see them every night, same set and still leave with a smile from ear to ear. The crowd at the Beacon was much more appreciative than in Conn. Many more diehard fans.
My one song wish - Book of Liars - "The world's much smaller than it looks today."
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 07:01:42 ET
Posted by: me, .
Hoops,
Perhaps your directive was too oblique for some.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 06:38:30 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Hi Y'All,
Not been around much recently due to work/family pressures (have the old Dad as well as the old Mum here at the moment , and as they've been divorced for 30 years, it's a somewhat stressful situation!!). Anyway, I see there's still the usual ramblings about set-lists. I know what I want to hear, but I'll be happy to hear anything!!
Peace to all!
Your Third World Woman,
Ann
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 05:10:02 ET
Posted by: Hopeful, Location: On Newerker's arse
All: First, anyone else wishes to even utter Becker's name will get smacked down by moi personally or by one of my little helpers (Newark and Raven, e.g.) who are currently and often in trouble and doing penance presently. My band is very eager to please. Right holmes? We'll fill in. What's with this blue? wishing to be ugly Americans, egh? Whatevah.
Walter can do anything he wants--shunning fans would be appropriate from this prince, considering the GARBAGE here. If Becker wants to scratch a washboard, thump a coconut shell (or some heads), walk around with a Swiffer duster, go underwear shopping at Starbucks, or give birth to a genre, he can do no wrong. What say you? Ex-Citizens/disloyalists, put up yours or whatevah.
All the same credit must be given (to balance the yang) to the Americans for supporting the arts robustly and for upholding (more rarely) honorable and ethical human behavior and humor--WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW NIT-WITS around here. Give me strength. Kudos to the wise silent ones who have respect.
My reaction to every flippin thing airing here is that jazz and funk is the key at this juncture--, IMMHO. How more American can we get? And how better to prepare for our trip across the pond? And without a doubt these artists one and all are national treasures. So, have you kissed an artist today? Take no prisoners SD. Do whatevah. See what happens.
Third, back to the setlists--they make wonderful clothes for paper-dolls, horn mutes, and also paper planes. Gads, I am reminded again of that great American Guy Clark et al. who at the start of the set(s) admit with chagrin that, well, there is no pre-defined setlist--not ever. (I guess a setlist becomes something that emerges after the performance.) AND it always works out and it's always funny. We need to smile again. I guess the Guy-type risk takers don't know or care what's around the next curve and can't wait for a train wreck. Again, the virtuosos on the planet can do no wrong. I say play the wall or "Up Against the Wall;" maybe Karlock can go play the microphone stand. Whatevah.
I sense the patrons are waiting for internal/external combustion--a breaking of all rules. A throw down. Jet Propulsion Laboratory experimentation. Sex. I believe we need to let the dog out of the cage to chase the cat down the alley. Who give a damn? The idiots are here to stay.
Blessings to all: May you cross-pollinate while you . . . ugh, clear throat, ugh . . . never mind. Keep your fingers crossed, but watch out. That gesture is a sexual proposition in Asia, so my protocologist says. out
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 02:03:21 ET
Posted by: The Set List,
Better Times - 99% the same. I told you. These shows are very predicable.
I'm very happy that these guys are playing at all. In the 80's I never thought that these tours would be happening. But geez, have some balls and play some new tunes! We don't care if it's perfect, just play them!
Oh yeah, did anybody elase notice that Kid C. has been slowed up alot this tour? It doesn't sound right.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 01:50:38 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
So basically the second Beacon show setlist was the same as Monday. They just re-postioned PRETZEL LOGIC, dropped BLACK COW and added EVERYTHING MUST GO. I expect more than that on back to back nights. Especially for the prices they are charging, why don't they do those 2 set nights like they did twice on the Sugartooth Tour when they did their 2 shows without Michael Mcdonald. Those shows setlists were killer.
Think about this. 16 song setlist at 130.00 avg./per ticket? a ticket for NYC = $8.13 a song you are paying to hear live! Ouch!
I paid 100.00 for my ticket for June 4 Detroit. $6.25 a song. When you think of it like that it is tough to swallow.
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 01:37:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Our Hoopsie is all class, as always...
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 01:03:01 ET
Posted by: S-fan, NJ
NY Times review of Beacon show 1
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/23/arts/music/23stee.html?ref=music
Date: Wed, May 23, 2007, 00:23:16 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, NYC, via Text Message & Cell Phone
BEACON SHOW 1, MONDAY NIGHT
Jeri (instrumental without WB & DF)
Time Out Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
Pretzel Logic
Haitian Divorce
Hey 19
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I've Got the News
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodhisattva
Carolyn (instrumental without WB & DF)
BEACON SHOW 2, TUESDAY NIGHT
(The second show was even better.)
Jeri (instrumental without WB & DF)
Time Out Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
Haitian Divorce
Hey 19
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I've Got the News
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
EMG
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Pretzel Logic
Bodhisattva
Carolyn (instrumental without WB & DF)
Errors in posting the setlists by hoops
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:52:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You GO Steely Dan...
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:41:40 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks LB and GM
Sounds like another great show
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:28:15 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, NYC, via Text Message
"Pretzel Logic" as one of the encores.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:27:50 ET
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYC, via Text Message
'We got EMG!"
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:27:09 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, NYC, via Text Message
EMG was played after "Aja"
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:07:41 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
One of things said last night by Walter is a great idea. His idea was just to play NYC all the time. Do an Allman style 5 shows in a row at the Beacon. I'd be more then willing!!!
Fife
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 23:07:08 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
Was listening to Katy Lied on the way home tonight and cranked the hell out of YGT II, would be great to get that live and also fits with the Heavy Rollers theme "and you throw out your gold teeth see how they roll"
Dr Wu - Good to 'see' you. I met you waaaaaaaay back in Y2K in Chicago. Weren't you also in Milwaukee? I went by 'Razor Boy' back then. I hate to say it but I stole your licence plate idea as mine is also DR WU. Hope we can meet up at the Milwaukee show.
KC
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 22:59:44 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
Any word on the activity over at The Beacon? I hope they are laying down some different tunes tonight as I write this! Look forward, hopefully, to tonight's offering setlist wise?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 22:47:06 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
Thanks, Rajah. I think you DO get where I'm coming from. Our wishing won't change anything, but it's in the human nature to wish anyway.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 22:22:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
We feel the same way, I assure you. But there's nothing for it. I can't lie to you all and tell you I don't feel let down by them. But I don't walk in their shoes, what do I know what's going on with them...
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 22:08:35 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
To Chris --
I certainly don't want to get into a "flame" war with anyone here (I'm on the road on business and forgot my flamethrower this trip, so I'd be at a distinct disadvantage). The point I wanted to make, and apparently failed in doing, was that there is such a vast library of Steely Dan songs spanning (my god!) over three decades, so many songs that I would LOVE to hear done live (particularly Your Gold Teeth, Doctor Wu [obviously], and wouldn't it be great to hear Reelin' performed close to its original form?) that I feel ... well, "cheated" is too strong a word...but let's say "confused" by why so many songs that even the casual fan would enjoy hearing live are ignored in favor of those that have already been heard so many times. And I certainly realize that Walter and Donald are calling the shots here, as it should be. I didn't mean to be overly critical, rather merely wishful that more of the great songs that none of us have ever heard in concert languish in the closet while others make appearance after appearance.
So far as listing my DanFan references, my DanFanManhood had been called into question and required a response. (Just joking, just joking.) And despite the opinion you may have come away with, I'm looking forward to the concert in Milwaukee like a kid looks forward to Christmas. Are we okay now?
Wu
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 21:39:29 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Wu - Naw, I just thought it sounded a little nit picky, even for a post here. I was happy to see them start playing newer songs and deeper cuts after ignoring them last year, but you didn't seem to like them or their choices last year, so it kinda seems like there's no satisfying you. Of course, there's so satisfying most of us here...
Also, the fact that someone questioned your credentials is almost as funny as the fact that you feel compelled to list them. Obviously, we're participating in a flame war on a Steely Dan message board, we're all pretty big fans :)
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 21:37:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well then let's hope you feel the same way about your husband.
Doc Wu - We get where you're coming from brother, we're cool.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 21:33:45 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, the stars are bright tonight........
Buying a ticket to any concert is a gamble for most people. You never know what the setlist will be, or if your favorites will be played. When I get my SD tickets, I'm not thinking about the setlist or what I don't want to hear, I just look forward to seeing a band who never disappoints me even if I heard the same songs a couple of nights ago. It's always a positive experience for me, and last night's show was no exception. I agree with Rajah and Deacon Blue, let Donald and Walter decide the setlist, it's what it is for a reason. Relax and enjoy!!
G
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 19:57:32 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
To Chris and The Dean:
You both seem extremely self-righteous individuals who have taken my remarks out of context. Please reread my post: I pointed out several songs that I feel have either been overdone on tour, or which have no place being there in the first place, and offered several tunes which I would like to see/hear in their place. The bulk of the playlist posted by Rajah, I made no comment on. You may assume that I approve, therefore.
So far as my credentials as a Dan Fan go, Dean: I was a rock disc jockey in the late Sixties and early Seventies and had the pleasure of introducing my audience not just to the hits but to the so-called deep tracks as well. I was in the audience in 1973 at SUNI Days in Cedar Falls Iowa when the group made the decision to break up (as we later learned) and the Eagles played a second set to make up for it. I have been to concerts in St. Louis, Minneapolis (twice, if memory serves), Chicago, and St. Paul, all of which involved four or five hours of travel in each direction along with the attendant hotel expenses. My license plate reads "DR WU" and my email address begins "steely_david." So take your snide comments and stuff 'em.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 17:50:55 ET
Posted by: We Thought You Were a Man of Your Word, -But He's Just Another Redneck Hick
So old shoeshiner is back. Why do you keep coming around? You said you were going away. What happened? Can't keep your promises?
Why do you keep coming back and typing your illiterate bile?
It has been so peaceful. Why would anyone who hates this site so much, keep coming back? Must be the mind of an inbred half-wit.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 17:45:38 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, a happier place
my impression of Rajah, and amny of his disciples, at the oh so fun Danfest mb...........
whine about setlist
bitch avout setlist
moan about setlist
complain about setlist
attempt at humor
*chirping*
whine about setlist
bitch about setlist
moan about the setlist
complain about setlist
attempt at humor
*chirping*
whine about setlist
bitch about setlist
moan about setlist
complain about setlist
attempt at humor
*chirping*
this place is a combination of the horrible and the miserable
party on my danhead brothers
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 17:36:03 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, a happier place
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 17:01:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I was NOT drooling. I have a saliva retention problem and I am shocked at your insensitivity...
So...did she look hot?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 16:58:41 ET
Posted by: Ze-ro, Ze-ro
I remember a post from the Yellow back in 2000, in reply to someone who asked whether or not SD would play the TvN title track live that summer. "Donald can't even remember the words to Deacon Blues without a lyric sheet," came the response, "you think he's going to pull 'Two Against Nature' off?"
It actually was an apt reply, we've talked about Don's issues with lyrics -- and he did jump the gun in one verse of TvN during the Atlanta show -- but it's still pretty cool that he's attempting it.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 16:36:53 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Raj,
I'm a little insulted that you would equate your dear Wife and I as a couple teenage groupies crying out "We love you Donald". We were far more dignified than that, we didn't cry. Funny coming from a guy who waited outside with me one cold March afternoon and drooled over Carolyn. Oh I saw did see her and said hello by the way.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 16:27:43 ET
Posted by: Fife, Balimore, eh
First off I would like to thank everyone who showed up at Yogi’s last night. We had a great time meeting new Danfans and embracing old friends.
The show was incredible but then again I always love it. After listening to it for 30 years, ouch, it’s an intimate feeling hearing it played live. We had great seats at the Beacon and we thought the sound was terrific.
Waiting patiently at the backstage door has its rewards. We saw the whole band with the exception of Walter and we also saw Kevin Klein and Phoebe Cates leaving. Gretchen, Sam, Sue Dave, Girl Margaret, Eric from SF and I all got a chance to thank Donald. He looked tired but was very gracious and thanked us. Now if I could remember the set list I’d post it but I get into the show so much that it just runs from one tune to another that I’m not taking stock of which songs are being played in what order.
Anyhow we are totally looking forward to Philly on Thursday and AC on Saturday.
WHOOHOO!!!!
Fife
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 16:25:17 ET
Posted by: Mo, Set list, meeting place for tonight
Bettertimes wrote: "What are the chances they play the same setlist as last night again tonight at The Beacon? and how pissed will the people be who are going again hoping to hear different tunes?"
If I had my way, the answer would be "no chance"!!! I know, wishful thinking, on my part. But if they do, will I be pissed? No. Disappointed? - VERY. Although last night's show was great, I'm hoping that they really change it up tonight! Last night's crowd seemed a bit subdued, which surprised me. I guess I was expecting more of a "Roseland" crowd. Speaking of Roseland, there are some empty dates towards the end of June. Wouldn't it be great if they'd schedule at least one or two nights there?
I haven't heard that any definitive plan was made for a danfest before tonight's show. Last night we gathered at Yogi's - a little hole in the wall bar about a block or two north of the Beacon. It was small, no tables to sit at, loud country-ish music, only one bartender. But drinks were reasonably priced. And the company was great! Pete, Shari, Sam, Fionna, Margaret, Gretchen, Debbie and Bob, (and I'm sure I'm leaving out a few - sorry!)I enjoyed hanging out with you!
I'm not familiar enough with the area to suggest a different meeting place, and at this late hour, it would probably be difficult to get the word out......I think some people are assuming that Yogi's will be the place again, so I'll be popping in there at least for a little while to say hello!
~Mo~
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 15:28:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Just Hangin
Chris writes:
Dr. Wu - So you're sick of the hits like the rest of us, but you hate the deep cuts? What do you want them to play, exactly?
I hear ya Chris. I read that and thought the same thing. Wu seems to dislike every song, but claims to be a big fan. Whatever.
Two Against Nature (the song) is incredible...I'm so glad to have heard it live. Had I been in the "drink line" when it started, I would have left the fucking drink line. But, as I wouldn't miss a second of the show, I'm not going to be in the drink line when The Dan takes the stage.
As for Peg and Josie, a big Steely Dan fan might recall the boys talking about these songs like they are their two favorite children in the Making of Aja, from the Classic Albums series. (I hear the Making of "The Band" is also great...I'll have to check it out.) It's clear these two songs will be played at almost every show as they consider these to be two of their best songs...and they sound GREAT live.
I'd love to hear Fire in the Hole and Razor Boy (and Rose Darlin, etc.), but it probably isn't going to happen. When I heard TvN I was shocked and THRILLED, as I thought it was one of those songs I would never hear in concert.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:53:45 ET
Posted by: Gil, Meeting Place Tonight?
All,
Hope everyone had a great time last night. Where is the "meeting place" before tonight's show?
Thanks,
Gilbert
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:50:49 ET
Posted by: nycguitar,
Walter has to learn a second scale for his soloing. It's an embarrassment.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:50:07 ET
Posted by: Ranon, Extra Ticket For Tonight -- NYC!
I'm selling an extra ticket for tonight's Steely show at the Beacon Theater (Broadway & 74th St., Manhattan).
Any takers?
Seat is next to me in Orchestra section, Row S!!
Please let me know as soon as possible!
Cheers,
RM
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:38:24 ET
Posted by: angel,
I would bet a couple of different tunes tonight. They have a tendency to substitute 1 or 2, while keeping most of the setlist the same.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:05:49 ET
Posted by: Set List,
"What are the chances they play the same setlist as last night again tonight at The Beacon"?
99.9%
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 14:01:32 ET
Posted by: charliefreak, nyc
Anyone know what time the Beacon show ended last night?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 13:48:58 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
What are the chances they play the same setlist as last night again tonight at The Beacon? and how pissed will the people be who are going again hoping to hear different tunes?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 13:27:19 ET
Posted by: babe, choir
the girls should sing brooklyn instead of dirty work.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 13:03:21 ET
Posted by: Zeus, Olymp
I agree
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 13:02:55 ET
Posted by: Zeus, Olymp
Yes
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:50:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah lp, don't be a stranger.
angel, down girl, deep cleansing breath. Can you imagine how absurd it is for two grown women to wait outside a stage door like a couple of...goofy teenagers. I guess some things you never grow out of. Whatever.
Denise, yes, he did a sterling job of Slang on the '03 tour. They should go back to that one. It's like Rex Harrison in the recitative mode and what really helps is that it has those choral passages for the supporting vocalists to help move it along. He doesn't have to carry the whole ball.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:47:54 ET
Posted by: angel,
Rajah Writes:
"Fife and Gretchen waited for Donald outside the stage door on 75th just now. He finally emerged with Libby in tow and the girls yelled out, "I love you Donald." He waived in acknowlegement and said, "thank you," as he approached his limo. Earth-shattering insider news...only here, only for you on Blue."
OMG! OMG! OMG!!!!!!!
You GO girls! :-)
--
I saw Slang Done on the EMG tour in '03. Also saw TIMTM and Blues Beach performed that same tour.
LP! Good to see you here on the Blue.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:13:42 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I don't know why Wally doesn't do the Hey 19 break?! He was a riot at Friant and Chumash!
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:06:26 ET
Posted by: FRANKY,
Donald's ad lib lines r wel rehearsed. Enough with that hey 19 beach crap!!! Its old Don!
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:02:40 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Raj,
Would love to hear WB do Slang of Ages live, that song is made for him, don't you think? And wickedly funny besides.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 12:00:54 ET
Posted by: Print IT!, Kinkos
Just print out the one from the show before. It's the exact same set. Wow. Hardly an auspicious start to the Beacon run.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:56:10 ET
Posted by: danman, fm
Will someone please post a setlist from last night at the Beacon?????
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:44:43 ET
Posted by: JoeM,
Great show at The Beacon last night. Especially liked 2VN, I Got the News and an exquisite Pretzel Logic featuring a fantastic Walter Becker solo. And I'm liking the Black Cow - Bodhisattva encore tandem. Works well for me.
Band went on about 8:45PM, pretty sure.
Patiently awaiting tonights performance - tick, tick, tick...
Joe
"What always saves New York are the New Yorkers" WB 5/21/07
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:35:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yup, the lower key Walt's doing Haitian in just flattens the whole thing out. He has, what, maybe a half octave range and this song is so jaunty and wicked that it just cries out for Donald's colourings. Walter can handle Monkey and Daddy but anything else is 3 snaps down girlfriend. I still can't fathom how he could have such a rich speaking voice and no pipes for singin...I wonder what a voice teacher would say about that.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:32:39 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Boston
To Luckless Pedestrian: I saw the Wallingford show (which was excellent) and thought Black Cow was the standout song of the concert. For a song that has such a 70's sound to the studio version sounded fresh, clean and sharp. I had heard it live twise previously (DF played it on his solo tour and SD played it in '03 I think).
Other standout songs for me were Bad Sneakers and Godwhacker.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:23:46 ET
Posted by: Miguel,
Any idea what time the band went on last night at the first Beacon Show?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 11:01:49 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Wormy:
"then the opener played around heard THings I Miss the Most auditioned!"
Sorry, but you've COMPLETELY lost me there!! LOL
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 10:45:35 ET
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ work
Hey, thanks for the set list - have not posted here in ages - hope no one stole my handle
I can't believe I am missing this year's tour, first time I haven't gone, I am breaking out in hives!
I think it's great they did Everything Must Go - and I personally have always loved Monkey in Your Soul and they did it at their last tour and I was thrilled
How was Black Cow?
I remember in an interview once they said how much they loved playing Josie so it's not much of a surprise, no, that they would be doing that song and in The Making of Aja, they spent a lot of talk-time on the making of Peg so it's no surprise there that they would want to do that again - I never get sick of Time Out of Mind either
the big surprise for me was seeing I Got the News on the list - that song isn't even showcased in The Making of Aja so I had always assumed it was not their favorite - I would have loved to have heard that one live - to me, it's a very complicated Brubeckian song with the usual skeevy lyrics
I loved Janie Runaway, I hope they smoothed it out live and I would have loved to have heard Pixeleen over Godwhacker but the latter is more thematic with the world today
anyway, quit complaining, you all go to go!!!
;p
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 10:45:34 ET
Posted by: Any World,
And then what will you come here to complain about?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 09:46:21 ET
Posted by: Heavy rollers tour, road to retirement
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 09:29:22 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Josey -
I have to agree. Because SD does "Haitian" in a different key than the recorded version to accomodate WB, the tessitura (vocal range) of the actual notes are much lower so consequently the "zing" and "zip" that DF provided is sadly missing.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 09:06:40 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I'm going to have to agree with whoever said they could do without Walter singing "Haitian". Not that I mind Walter singing something...it's just that Donald's inflection on *that* tune is what gives that tune so much. Just my opinion.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 08:56:04 ET
Posted by: me, .
As Gus was saying...
http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2007/05/22/lifestyles/lifestyles02.txt
It seemed the fans didn’t quite commit songs to memory from the group’s recent album, “Two Against Nature.” While they let out a big cheer within the first few notes of “Hey Nineteen,” they barely made a noise as Carlock laid down the intricate, odd-time signature rhythm for “Two Against Nature.”
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 08:41:55 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Dr. Wu - So you're sick of the hits like the rest of us, but you hate the deep cuts? What do you want them to play, exactly?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 08:19:14 ET
Posted by: wormy, new orleans
soundchecks - the one in Atlanta started at 4:30 and lasted 45 minutes or so, then the opener played around
heard THings I Miss the Most auditioned!
fretts - I understand you feeling the shows are dialed in
the band is tight, but going through the motions
walt is actually playing more loosely which is good
you can't play josie peg, bodi and kid c a million times and make it fresh (at least they retired a few)
yes, the setlist should be overhauled
I don't like the silly opener/closer deal -f you are only playing 105 minutes scrap it and get to real songs
(the musicians will be showcased)
why does walt have to sing? at least do a new tune off his upcoming
give us more 2k+ dan (TAN, EMG, and Morph)
deacon blues
I love bitching as I love this band and they are capable of so much more
see you in Portsmouth (Norfolk VA)
you walked in, and my life began again...
wormtom
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 08:05:15 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Gus, what a diplomatic, elegant and gentle way to tell your things. You’re a real fan.
Everybody has his own vision about how a setlist should be composed. It’s very positive that every one of us has his own criteria concerning Steely Dan music. Each and every one has that fundamental right. That makes our world so much interesting and richer.
Otherwise, I have some problems how some people here on this board are attacking and sometimes executing other Danfans just because they have an other look about Steely Dan related stuff. The way some folks are using and interpretating the determination of “hard core fan” is sometimes a bridge too far. I have the impression that some of you are devising Steely Dan fans in different categories. Just like “big fan”, “bigger fan” and “biggest fan”, you know. I’m afraid that such a fiction theory just simply doesn’t exist. A fan is a fan, basta !
In my opinion, there are first degree passionate Steely Dan lovers and on the other opposite site that what we call the SD haters. And somewhere there in between, you’ll find the “occasional” Steely Dan fans. These occasional ones are mostly filling the venues.
But in reality, it’s no important if you’re a “passionate” or “occasional” fan because both ones never will be satisfied about the composition or the length of the setlist. The passionate lovers want more deep cuts while the occasional fans surely want more hits. So what shall it be ??
I think, it’s better to let Walter & Donald constitute their setlist in all integrity. To say with Rajah’s words: they are not our juke box.
The idea that “hard core fans” prefers not to hear songs like Peg, Josie, FM, Aja or other hey nineteen’s is surely not a general rule. I’m a fan for 30 years now and I still love all those songs a lot. A live version of Peg is sometimes better than the record version. Those are incontournable classics, songs you need to hear alive. Problem is that with such a short setlist, it seems impossible to integrate more such a classic works or deep cuts. I’m afraid we’ll have to do with what we got; that’s the way it is.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 07:53:18 ET
Posted by: Newark, Location: Cave Bats ad Balcony Rats
colincam20: Wow, you honed in on something--right--there may be really cool rehearsals etc. goin' on during sound checks. Who knows what these cats are up to these days?
My question is: Is SD going to successfully conquer Tower's acoustic challenge? Cave bats and balcony rats will either scamper or stop dead in their tracks (oh Andrew D.C. would be very proud of my poetics this morning). My lover and I (in my dreams) cannot wait for these upcoming jams. Just reminiscing, recalling the Tower for the DF show as I sip my Starbucks Americano split with skim--What sound goes in, must come out. Bring along the windchimes and tamborine percussionists and have fun!
Right, hmmm, in Atlantic City (Trump's 06) when Michael McDonald's band was warming up, we could step inside (beneath the bleechers at the exit door) while scalpers lurked about and the fan's energy was culminating outside around the box office--we heard--I think it was--Signed Sealed Delivered, and it was way cool. The downside, I suppose, is that lurking around sound checks sort of spoiled the surprise for us--though both band performances were exquisite and. The experience was not full of unknowns hehe.
Finally, some Tower seats on TktFkIt--and to think that after being told week after week there were none available. They're mine; please don't touch this groove. I'll take no prisoners--tktfkIt is mine.
Sorry, this contribution is simply the dissapation from last night's The Avett Brothers, who played all songs on their new release "Emotionalism"--the audience went mad. Cellists sat in. Bats flew from the belfrey. Oh youth, where are thou? These cats can successfully drive at over 140 bpm endlessly, shifting gears like an Bobby Rahal's Miller Lite machine. What a workout. The new grass generation can thrash w/ best of any techno disco. Glass broke, people on tables. Scott stood on the bass drum--omg. Zoom they're off to Chicago at the end of the month. Chicago--Go.
Well, as lovers say, it's quality over quanity. I'd rather hear a ballad and cry than to have a heart attack and die. haha hugs, j&j (avatar masters).
See yas--don't break too many strings.
hugs, newark
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 07:42:55 ET
Posted by: frets, ny, ny
Notes from the Beacon --
This was my first Heavy Rollers show, and I was disappointed by this band for the very first time. (Last night was my 10th SD/Fagen show since 2000; tonight will be my eleventh.)
There was no excitement from the stage, which is what happens when a band takes absolutely no risks at all. Not only have we heard all of these songs before (save TvN), we've heard them in the exact same way, with only tiny arrangement changes from year to year.
It's not just that the setlist isn't deep -- it's the arrangements that are static and plotted to an inch of their lives. The Hey 19 saltines / tequila story is not charming or clever after five years. The girls solo on Dirty Work (exclusively) for seven years. Walter will sing one tune, and it'll be one of only four he's ever sang with the band. We'll hear the band do obscure jazz tunes to open and close the show. For $150, surprise me somehow in the smallest way!
On older tours, we heard totally tricked-out rearrangements of Here at the Western World, Rikki, Reelin'. Donald, bless him, basically played the Nightfly tour last year. I mean, we got to hear Maxine live! None of DF or WB's solo albums have been touched on this tour.
There was an antiseptic sheen to this show that indicated to me bored musicians -- perhaps because they're more constrained than they've been in years. The musicians could have done this show in their sleep, and they kind of did.
This is my favorite band in the world, and I'm glad they're touring, but this year it feels like they're just taking advantage of us.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 06:23:44 ET
Posted by: colincam20, maine
Soundcheck anyone???
how many hours before tipoff does the band do the sound check? can you get inside the venue or just hear it from outside?????
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 06:03:12 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
Where is the colour from the first Beacon show ?
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 03:23:56 ET
Posted by: Scouser, West on Sunset
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Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 02:16:40 ET
Posted by: that would be at,
fyi
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 02:00:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Daggnabbit, Gus, you're a pretty fair hand and wordcrafting. I like your style, it's elegant, doggonitt, it reminds me of...well...me.
There was an opening band tonight, same as the other night. Who are they? Some fusion ensemble it appears...
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 01:48:13 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
brilliant new Michael Brecker is out now.
it's hard coming to terms with the fact it's his last one.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 01:40:10 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
To Doctor Wu:
First, no one should be attacked for their opinions of an ideal setlist. However, it should be noted that songs such as Peg, Josie, and 19 consistently get large audience responses, at least at shows I have attended. This is the audience that provides the bulk of the revenue that make the tours possible. Furthermore, I suspect that they attend fewer shows and therefore do not hear these songs as frequently as the typical poster on this board. In contrast there are just not enough "hardcore" fans to fill a venue night after night who know the catalog inside out and will enjoy all of the "deep cuts" as much as, or more than, the hits. So we can expect to continue to observe polite applause for (IMHO) superbly crafted and executed works as TAN and EMG, with louder responses for the hits (at Mohegan, anyway). This may well have been stated on this board before and I am unconsciously repeating it; if so, I apologize - no plagiarism is intended.
While I am at it, I might as well respond to whomever used the term "muzzled" to describe the performance of some band members. After hearing the Sax and Trumpet work on EMG at Mohegan, Herington's solo work on Pretzel Logic at Wallingford, and the ladies' renditions of Dirty Work both nights, to take some examples, I can only say that I respectfully disagree.
GW
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 01:23:08 ET
Posted by: cool!,
cool news Raj
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 00:58:41 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Raj now I can go to bed
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 00:03:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah, update
Fife and Gretchen waited for Donald outside the stage door on 75th just now. He finally emerged with Libby in tow and the girls yelled out, "I love you Donald." He waived in acknowlegement and said, "thank you," as he approached his limo. Earth-shattering insider news...only here, only for you on Blue.
Date: Tues, May 22, 2007, 00:01:30 ET
Posted by: SickOfIt, .
I'm not going to say which songs I think should or should not be included in the set list. As Rajah said, you can't please everyone and someone at their first concert would justifiably be livid if they were to play what I'd like to hear after seeing so many. But I will say that I really hate the way Walter sings Haitian Divorce.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 22:51:14 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, NYC, via Text Message
Same setlist tonight as Wallingford.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 22:42:01 ET
Posted by: To Dr. Wu,
I can almost respect for your post, HOWEVER, I lose respect when you down Haitain Divorce, and Godwhacker. Godwhacker may not be the best song in album form, but they really spice it up live with killer horn kicks and an awesome solo section. And also, poor choice of Black Friday- I'll take any of those other ones over that pop cookie cutter.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 22:41:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They played 2vN tonight. I heard it over my cell from someone I know at the show. Also Hey 19(this is the one I could live without) and Haitian Divorce. I'm awaiting further notice from the Beacon.
Dr. Wu - They can't please everyone, sad but true, and they're not our jukebox. They are the artists, they get to choose. We only get to choose to attend or not. Josie and Peg must be played at every show, they remain brilliant, these two good ol' girls just get better with time.
Brooklyn will never be played I'll wager. Rikki and Dr. Wu are probably in the same boat with Gaucho. Just a feeling.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 21:58:12 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Iowa
Jeez, I wish I'd come here before I coughed up a C-note and a half for two tix to the Milwaukee show. God knows I've been a fan since I heard the first notes of "Do It Again" back in the Seventies, but I've got some real problems with the playlist as constituted by Rajah in his post of 5/19. "Two vs. Nature" to lead off? Not exactly something to hook the crowd and get us excited. Sure, it's okay, it's the Dan after all, but if I'm in the drink line when it starts I won't feel cheated. "Monkey In Your Soul?" Always struck me as vinyl filler. "Peg?" Oh god, please, how many times do we have to hear "Peg?" Enough already. Same with "Josie." Are Peg and Josie real women who have pictures of W&D with sheep? I can think of no other reason for the annual inclusion of these two. "Godwhacker," "Everything Must Go," (the mind truly boggles), and "Haitian Divorce" round out my "why, why, why?" list.
So, in no particular order where is: Don't Take Me Alive, Reelin' In The Years (c'mon guys!!), Brooklyn, Your Gold Teeth, Show Biz Kids, Black Friday, Deacon Blues, and (for god's sake) Doctor Wu???
Don't get me wrong -- after the '93 tour I told my wife, "I can die happy now -- I've seen Steely Dan live." But there are SO many weak offerings on this playlist that it won't live in my memory as the greatest SD tour ever. I'm sorry to come off like a crank, but these boys have churned out so much great music over the years that it seems a shame to turn to so many of their lesser works for a concert tour.
I'll quit now -- go ahead and attact me.
Doctor Wu
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 21:31:26 ET
Posted by: chuckanda, new york
Hi I have two tickets for the Beacon tommorrow night Row C Loge section I want to exchange for June date or just sell.
thanks
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 16:38:10 ET
Posted by: jeft, chicago
I got tickets in the 1st balcony row d. how r these seats?
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 14:06:39 ET
Posted by: Info, Desk
Matt, sign up for the Dandom Digest for ticket info.
http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 14:02:26 ET
Posted by: Zim, Sunny CT
Mark North of Boston-I thought it was just me. I noticed the same thing but since no one else mentioned it, I thought "what do I know?". Perhaps Walter is enjoying himself more and more.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 13:55:45 ET
Posted by: Matt N.,
Can anyone direct me to the ticket exchange section of this website? I have been trying to locate it without any success. Thanks.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 11:55:03 ET
Posted by: DJ, Shy-town
How'd the Chicago crew do getting tix this morning? I am in row A in the balcony way, way over on stage left first two seats! Which is good for me and my girl because there is no one behind us or to the side so we can stand and dance a bit.
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 11:02:03 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Groovyland
Some good reviews of the Mohegan Sun Show. From our vantage point the show was excellent. One thing I noticed was that Donald had to get his cords warmed up a little before pouring it on. 2 songs and he was strong.
Jim Pugh was hot on that trombone. The horn section was excellent as usual. The girls solo was great as was every player up there. Love the band!
Is it me or does it seem that Walter is playing more lead than previous years where Jon seemed to have more of the leads?
We did notice that the arena was FULL! At the 2003 EMG show it was 2/3rds.
Post show my bride and I hit the fish joint and did some oysters and dinner. Great Venue the SUN!
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 09:51:27 ET
Posted by: Millions of fan who can't sit down at concerts, At the other side
SOON our time will arrive. Europe is waiting...
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 09:32:21 ET
Posted by: Fife, On the Road
NYC here we come!!!!
Date: Mon, May 21, 2007, 01:36:22 ET
Posted by: seth2112, cleveland, via tampa and nyc
all yee clevelanders take note! single front orchs just released for toledo zoo, still cracks me up thinking about it, on scam master! i just nailed 8th row and went back in after sale and saw they had 9th row for sale. dont be mis led by stub hub, ebay and all the such. dont buy from these sites, it just provokes the scalpers ~ work the program, check everyday, tix do come out and good ones too! see you all at the zoo in june!
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 22:55:55 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Chan it's sounds like you are almost cured
Rajah my friend it gets BRBP and then some loser fires off a flare
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 19:45:33 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Section 2 tickets are available on ticketmaster right now for the Wed night May 30 Boston show. I just got two section 2 row q seats which is center section 17th row. Not bad at all.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 15:43:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wormy - now we can't include soundchecks, can we? Or should we?
Great, now Gretchen's mother has the Don-lust. She calls me up after the show chirping Bohdisattva. It's spreading like a disease, a chemical spill. You go Betsy, she hadn't been to a rock n roll show since forever. The woman looks damn good at age 60-something. I nuzzle you dear mother-in-law.
And so the madness spreads...they are folding in quite a few numbers I have to say and taken all together they would constitute one great old regular show. But Donald would break down doing a two-set show on this world tour. You have to know your limitations and I think the DF knows his.
I wish I could be back there to catch a show or two but as I said to our Craig B this morning, priorities deny right now. So you guys have to make up for it, give 'em hell, Dandom.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 15:33:48 ET
Posted by: steely fan, nj
I mean Wallingford. Found it in a Hartford newspaper.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 15:33:15 ET
Posted by: steely fan, nj
Hartford review.
http://www.courant.com/news/local/sr/hc-steelyrev0520.artmay20,0,191118.story
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 13:28:40 ET
Posted by: Sens-fan Woody, Sensland
FIFE - YeeeeHaawwwwwwww
Can't it get anymore real?
What a year 07 is turning out to be. The Dan on tour. A Fagen box set. Possibly a Walter solo outing. AND NOW THE FREAKIN' SENATORS ARE IN THE STANLEY CUP FINAL!!!!!!!!
Pinch me.
C'mon I dare ya.
Rev up the red
p.s. Fife - email comin at ya.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 13:13:47 ET
Posted by: wormy, nowhere
Rajah
in your list don't forget songs demo'd at soundcheck
that would include THINGS I MISS THE MOST
I'd love to hear GREENBOOK or LUNCH WITH GINA also
DEACON BLUES would be the epitomy
DR WU would be over the top
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 10:50:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Tommy James & the Shondells
Beaubo - Of course dear lad, I remember you well. So glad to host a fellow Clevelander that night. We did have a rollicking good time, even though Pete set off the fire alarm with that giant spliff. Our meeting was too brief. Your Dad's concerts back in the late 60s, early 70s set me off on this trail which I am still trodding. I don't know if I should thank him or blame him. A Belkin Production always meant quality, I trust it still does. I hope we'll cross paths again.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 10:11:17 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Chan, I wondered what happened to you! We waited around at the waterfall for a while. Hope you are feeling better: take care of yourself.
Gretchen, sorry to have missed you at Wallingford. Was hoping to say hi. Glad your mom enjoyed the show.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 09:42:28 ET
Posted by: Clean Willie, Bristol
Rajah, one addition to your comprehensive list - they also played "Home At Last" at Friant on 17th Jan. I just checked with my girlfriend and this is not false memory syndrome.
I seem to remember HAL being pretty damn fine too, don't know why it was dropped - seemed to come at a place in the set where Don had a bit of a dip, having just struggled through "Do It Again". Of course, anyone would struggle trying to reproduce the unimproveable recorded version, particularly when they did that rather good extra stuff with the horns and key changes all around him! Why can't he let rip? His greatest vocal performance lies forgotten on the demo of 3rd World Man, singing different lyrics (Were You Blind That Day)-what a voice! It breaks my heart how the control-freakery gets in the way - that band has enough chops to cope with some pretty serious on-stage adventures, and Walt certainly hits a sublime combination of tight and improvised - more of the great unknown would be very welcome!
Anyway recent posts here suggest that since that gig he may have loosened up a bit, hope he doesn't freeze up again crossing the Atlantic. Roll on July 7th!
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 09:38:47 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
Hi Rajah-
I actually met you and Hoops and another couple of dozen folks at the DanFest in a hotel right next to the DF show at the Beacon last year. I was wearing the Jewish kipa!! You were a terrific host and more than generous with the food and beverage spread!
Anyhow, looks like I'll be in Europe during the band;s leg over there; hope to catch 3 or 4 shows.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 09:31:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Oh, Donald!!!
Friday's show in Wallingford was fantastic. I don't care if I heard these same songs at other shows, because they all sound new again every time. Lots of energy from the band, and Donald looks and sounds better than ever. He certainly warmed me up on a cold, rainy night.....he is exquisite.
I took my mother to this show as she has never seen the Dan live and she agreed that this is a great band with unique music, her favorites of the evening being PL and Bodhi.
Cannot wait till the show tomorrow, to catch up with everyone and enjoy the best goddamn music on the planet!
G
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 09:25:36 ET
Posted by: GRECO, ANYTOWN USA
Walter Becker on vocals!
BAWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Give me a break and my money back!
agree?
thoughts?
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 08:47:48 ET
Posted by: The Man In The Village, Elsewhere
Hoops, Clas is mentioning Pete Fogel over at Gina's place!
Tell her to take him down... well, not HIM, but his name...
//C
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 08:24:16 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Apologies to SF, Denise, SueDave, Girl Margaret and anyone else I was not able to spend time with at Mohegan. I arrived late due to traffic, had to get checked in to the hotel etc and it was already 6pm. Got a drink with my friends I was with, said hello to you guys and got ready for the show. Worse part is what I thought were allergies is actually pneumonia. I had been miserable for a week and totally let it go. After the show, I was back up in the room by 10 and that was my night. My doctor was impressed with my stupidity in not taking care of myself. I've been medicated for a couple days now and am starting to feel a bit better. Again, sorry we were not able to spend time together.
I did think the show was great. It was bit on the mellow side due to song selection, which I was very happy with. A lot of us have been asking for deep cuts and getting EMG, Gaslighing Abby certainly filled that void. The sound was good and the band seemed to be in fine form. Overall a very good show. One of my friends I was with had never seen them or even listened to much of their music. He was totally blown away by how good of a band they are. His comment was "now I know why you are such a Steely Dan freak Chan".
After the show, I was in an elevator and found myself standing next to Keith Carlock. I thanked him for a great show and for the bands resiliency in staying together for last years and this years tours. He seems like a genuine good guy.
So now I'll focus on getting better and looking forward to the Wed night Boston show. Happy weekend to all!
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 07:01:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah, walking the floor
The Belkin Productions people gave us the best concerts in the 60s and 70s in Cleveland. I recall seeing The Pack (later Grand Funk Railroad), The Rasberries, James Gang, yes, Foghat, and so many other no-name bands in venues all around northeast Ohio.
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 01:33:02 ET
Posted by: ghostface killah, killah
You're not the Atlanta Hawks' Steve Belkin, are you?
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 01:07:31 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
Oh well, looks like I just outed my own identity!!
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 01:07:02 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
Oh well, looks like I just outed my own identity!!
Date: Sun, May 20, 2007, 01:05:17 ET
Posted by: Steve C Belkin, Cleveland
Well, enjoyed an engaging and lively converation with my concert promoter father (whose company was bought by now what is the national company 'Live Nation').
Anyhow, chances of a'deep cuts only' show is none. Not worth the financial or ego risk to the band in the event that the 'deep cuts' show doesn't sell well and could result in a substantial monetary loss to band and/or promoter, not to mention loss of face for the band.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 21:31:57 ET
Posted by: roulette wheel,
Sue me if I play too long....
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 19:19:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah, FYI
Here's the 24 songs they've played so far, check if I've missed anything:
2vN
Bad Sneakers
Time Out of Mind*
Caves of Altamira
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen*
Monkey in Your Soul
Peg*
Green Earrings
Josie*
Babylon Sisters
Dirty Work
Godwhacker
Do It Again
Kid Charlemange
Bodhisattva
Black Cow
My Old School
Everything Must Go
Gaslighting Abbie
Aja
Haitian Divorce
Pretzel Logic
I Got the News
The asterisk indicates I think these have been played at every show. Anybody?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 19:16:34 ET
Posted by: Wallingford Witness, .
Review of Mohegan show
http://www.masslive.com/living/republican/index.ssf?/base/living-1/1179561763177740.xml&coll=1
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 18:35:07 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Mizar5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n75vaER5Pqo
In the light of the Heavy Rollers Tour 2007 I made a very mind-blowing discovery a few hours ago. On Yo! Tube there's this guy in New Zealand; he can sing, he's incredibly funny and his high but correct pitch in the "badly edited" second shot in the video of Any Major Dude is g o o d. I'm an instant fan of this Heavy Roller. The intro to the song is hilarious too.
Also, for the Americans? Please take notice of this Maori man -he comes from an interesting ancient beautiful culture- and the American influences ALL THE WAY in New Zealand.
I think they should give this guy FREE TICKETS to all the New Zealand concerts and A DOZEN AFTER-SHOW PASSES for him and his buddies. I am serious.
*****
Again, in the light of the Heavy Rollers Tour 2007. When I watch this Maoriboy sing Any Major Dude the way he does, the chills run up my spine. Can you imagine we would never be able to experience or taste some of what others do way across this planet? It's the first time SD will take their music global and all the way to Australia and New Zealand.
And that's a comforting idea, when they take the tour to Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand, I doubt whether the audiences will complain about setlists and such. And I will laugh off what's left of my arse if they would decide to play songs like Dr. Wu and anything else OVER THERE because it would just be fun to do so.
Everyone have a safe weekend and a good one :-)
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 17:55:09 ET
Posted by: Fife, SCB
Woody:
WHOOHOO!!!!!! WHOOHOO!!!!!!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 16:58:16 ET
Posted by: Al Hamilton, nivus
Tiny, pretty friggin' low on your part. The guy took the time to report the ever-changing setlist for us, he makes a mistake, and you question his fandom? If this is the same "Big Fan" that I know, he made a point to post hundreds and hundreds of SD links from newspapers and the like for the better part of 1998-recently. He was, at times, the best resource this site or the Yellow site had. He made his mistake after standing through a two-hour concert in the wee hours of the night. You made yours midday. What's YOUR excuse?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 15:37:41 ET
Posted by: Bif Fan, resting
Real cool Tiny - thanks a lot. Nice hiding behind an unkown handle - who are you normally? Sorry it was after midnight when I posted. I wrote down during the show album title, since I didn't have Pretzel Logic dialed in and they hadn't played it the night before. So when I was typing for some some reason I typed CBAT. Next time take a major chill pill - you apparently don't know everything and maybe there was a logical explanaintion. But you see now you can't admit who you really are because everyone will know you are an a**. And Jim I'm not sorry for blasting Tiny, sorry
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 15:05:26 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, tanning
Well, ok. Here's my sacrifice for the setlist tail. NO--HOT. Sizzlin' in the merciless rays. It's getting close to show time. And it still smells like cow manure and we're out of beverages and it is too far to trek....
I reach into my leopard print carry-all for trusty pen and papier. Mais, NON...
The boys next door (Bubbles and Warren, wherever you are--bless your Gaucho Amigo souls) produced a pen. As the band started, the as if fan behind me said, "My, you're really a Big Fan, aren't you." Well, yeah.
Point is that while you are there in your own little SD experience world, it is somewhat charitable to scribe for posterity.
Blessed are the anaw for ....
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 14:39:45 ET
Posted by: bobbo, completely off the subject--sorry!
Hey John (er--Mister Howell, sir):
Remember after we left the Santa Barbara airport before Chumash, and I took a kind-of wrong turn, and we ended up "circling" Goleta on our way to Buellton/Solvang/Santa Ynez on the 101? And, while passing a little County Annex-looking gravelyard/office, I said, wow, that looks just like where THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE was filmed, and you kind-of did a doubletake? We were just talkin', of course, but...it sure did look like that joint, didn't it?
I've been reading the IMDB, and I think we cruised right past that joint, dude! Yes, indeed...wish I'd got a photo of that place! Anyway, I was just wondering if you remembered that deal, bro...hope you're alive and well, and making some of these souped-up Dan shows going on this Summer!
And that's all for now (sorry to put this most personal-looking little missive here for all to be annoyed at, but I've lost ol' John--er, Mister Howell's email addy, and--well then, thanks. I KNEW you'd understand); take care and give a hello to Lovey, when you see her. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 14:08:44 ET
Posted by: tiny fan,
Jim _ Sorry about ripping into Big Fan. But a fan that makes that many mistakes just shouldn't call himself "Big Fan".
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 14:04:09 ET
Posted by: Tiny Fan,
Big Fan - I really think you should change your handle. How does a "big fan" miss Pretzel Logic in the set list? And what the F&^k is CBAT?? That's an album, not a song. "Big Fan"? NOT!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 13:30:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Love those positive posts from Denise and GM
Thanks Kids
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 13:27:51 ET
Posted by: Denise, oops
Should have added SPOILER to my post below.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 13:09:29 ET
Posted by: apology,
I apologize to Big Fan, Jim, and the Book for the CBAT comments that were taken as snide (and removed). They were intended as ribbing, not slight, but clearly didn't come off that way.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 13:01:27 ET
Posted by: Denise, back from CT
2 fine shows in CT IMHO. Some of the crowd a bit odd at Mohegan.
No complaints about the set list here: enjoyed hearing TVn, Gaslighting, and Bad Sneakers at Mohegan and PL (!) and I Got
the News in Wallingford. Loved the Black Cow encore.
Regarding the sound at Mohegan, we were to the left side close to
the stage, sounded fine. Maybe it was our location, perhaps the mix,
but I was able to hear the individual solos a lot better than before.
Did anyone else notice that?
Donald's voice sounded strong, esp. last night in Wallingford. At
Mohegan, I was close enough to see Walter really enjoying the horn
solos, smiling and really getting into it. It was nice to see him
enjoying the music as much as we were.
A few more observations:
Horn section wowed us in Godwhacker.
Jim Pugh really was wonderful on Hey 19.
Jon Herrington excellent - nice bit eps. on Haitian Divorce.
Keith Carlock finishes off Aja like nothing else I have ever seen.
Love Jeff Young doing the "You must be joking son, where did you get
those shoes" bit on PL.
WB very fine throughout the evening.
Had a great time with SF, Margaret, Sue, Bill, Lupe, and Lady B.
SF, thank you for your kindness and generosity at Mohegan.
To everyone gong to the NY shows next week: enjoy! See some of you
in Boston later this month.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:53:00 ET
Posted by: babylon trombone,
Bad Sneakers was there song, too, but Fagen makes it tough to get into when he rushes the verse lyrics live.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:48:55 ET
Posted by: trixiep,
what's your point?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:46:36 ET
Posted by: TrixieP,
Babylontrombone - Last I checked it was Walter and Donald's tune.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:37:33 ET
Posted by: babylon trombone,
does anyone feel extreme disappointment when D&F have Jim Pugh play the trombone where the muted trumpet solo should be in Babylon Sisters? Not that Pugh is bad, he's great, but that part is vital! I know they let the horn section improv most of the solo sections (although all are originally sacred on the album), but that trumpet solo NEEDS to be there and it NEEDS to be exact. :)
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:14:32 ET
Posted by: cbat?,
christ, my comment was not snide. it was just a question. thanks for posting, but let's not get too sensitive.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 12:05:47 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Home at last
Good morning to all my wonderful Danfriends!
I must say that after seeing so much negativity on the Blue lately it was truly bringing me down to the point where I was almost rethinking the number of shows I was going to attend, thus leading to my staying away from here for the last week. But after the last two shows in CT I have faith again in Steely Dan and all the joy they've always brought to me. The audience at Wallingford trumped the audience at Mohegan Sun (too many comped tickets at that show, lots of drinkers at Wallingford) but both sets were outstanding to me. Unfortunately it looks like the first shows of the tour were merely a warmup for what is and what's to come for the rest of the tour, which would disappoint everybody I'm sure. But now things are picking up, there's an amazing energy in the crowd, and I can hardly wait for more!
It was really great to catch up with some of my dear friends again, and I can't wait to see you guys at the later shows.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 11:50:09 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, in groovetime
Im glad to hear that the song book is starting to be sampled from more heavily and with more variety. The first few setlist of this tour seemed a little short and predictable, but my experience in the past tells me that the first five to ten shows are just when they are tweaking things and they really start to get there sound going after that. Thats why I try to go to the shows when the tour is already well underway. Im going to see them next saturday at the Borgata. A very nice venue and Im looking forward to hearing a good setlist. I hope they put back in EMG and GA because I have never heard those two live.
My only gripe is that its really annoying when Steely Dan promotes the tour by saying things like "the tour will include songs from steely dan's hits and may even sample from DF's recently released Morph the Cat and Walters upcoming album". That to me seems like such a tease. They said the same thing for the Sugartooth Mcdan tour and for this Heavy Rollers tour but low and behold no Morph the Cat and no new Walter stuff. Its not that I care that much, but don't promote the tour and get peoples hopes up when you are gonna just play Steely Dan songs.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 11:26:52 ET
Posted by: jazzassin (and quite a few more nasty guys of dandom), Oslo, Norway
So you won't sign in, stranger?
Well, you are the guy who repeatedly tries to insert lines of html into the BlueBook for the purpose of selling your iffy tabs. And you won't succeed because, as you can see, all that shows up in the readable fields is the pure text of your crappy attempts. Let's put it this way, darling: None of us male Citizens Of Dandom need any of your Viagras to get our dicks fit for action... We all got the Steely Dan T-shirt, which more than does the job for us. On behalf of our beloved female population, I also report that they got the T-shirts as well, and not much more. And that this outfit will eventually do it for them, too. I think you know what I mean. So please be kind to waste your time somewhere else, as the only thing you can achieve here is keeping Hoops busy tidying and cleaning up your mess. And we don't think that's fair. I'm a peaceful man, so I might not harm you more than you,ll survive - even if I got you served on a plate (God forbid...) - but there are others, you know. And they won't act as kindly if they see you on the street. So drag you sorry ass away from here - good-bye, dear!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 11:23:19 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks all for posting the setlists
Now when you awake up and have numerous cups of coffee please let us know about the patter. What did Walter say? And what about Donald
Thanks for your time
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 11:03:47 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
To Fife: Bumper sticker WuDuF and I saw yesterday on our way to the show:
WFIF 1500AM Life Changing Music
You have your own radio station?!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 11:01:49 ET
Posted by: Zim, The day after in CT
I was wondering what last night's show would be like after reading posts about not so good sound at Mohegan, low engergy levels, etc. But WOW! They were saving it up for last night! Donald was on his feet playing from nearly the beginning of the show. The crowd gave multiple standing ovations after songs. Intermittent dancing but TONS of "chair dancing", as WuDuF and I call it. I thought they sounded unbelievable last night and were completely into it. And I believe the audience was given the praise of something like the best crowd on the tour so far. People around me, except for one, pretty much stayed for the entire show-no beer or bathroom breaks. It ranks in my top 2 SD shows ever. They started at 8:45 (ticket said 7:30!) and played for at least 1 hour 45 min, maybe even 1hr, 50min. Opening jazz trio had some highlights too-mostly enjoyable. So now I'm in the position of saying "when's the next tour?"
WuDuF-Was another great SD moment of MANY in our lives-thanks!
Gretchen-Where were you? Tried to look around for you.
SF-Scanning the crowd for your tallness but never did see you anywhere. So what did you thing of the venue?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:54:22 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
BIG FAN, Thanks so much for posting the setlist last night! I caught it before I went to bed. I was confused as to what CBAT was but woke up to find out it was Pretzel Logic! It is nice to see that they are introducing more songs. Even though they may not be DEEEP CUUTS or even new material, at least it isn't the exact same every night with nothing to look forward to. I am glad there is variety and although we all may know the songs they have done in total so far, it is nice to show up to see what your city or gig is going to get! Regardless, old songs, new songs, whatever, it is STEELY DAN! and the Mothership has again landed! It's pilots being Don/Walt!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:53:19 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Big Fan--
Regarding your last post: Yes, it was late. So extra special thanks for posting when most would have gone straight to bed. Much appreciated for keeping us informed.
Jim
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:37:54 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Regarding the Mohegan and Wallingford Sets - EMG was dropped for Pretzel Logic and Gaslighting Abbey was dropped for I Got the News. Although we both prefeered EMG and GA over the Wallingford replacements, we did notice that Gaslighting Abbey served as a bathroom or beer break for many. It was disturbing. I guess that's the issue with deep cuts, or new stuff. 90% of the audience has no idea. For one thing, it's definitely reframeing our opinion of what songs to play. We may have do less complaining about these greatest hits shows. We always want the deep cuts,and more so, the new album cuts, but it's kind of embarassing when a couple of hundred people, or more, get up all at once.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:28:13 ET
Posted by: Grog,
WOW..what a show last nite..my 2 brothers..long time Dan fans, had never seem them.....they were blown away..we sat 3rd row ctr right smack in front of Fagan...it was a great choice to substitute the two new songs for Pretzel and Ive got the news...pretzel got a huge ovation!.....every song is tight..and the acostics at Wallingford are super.....still Aja was the favorite for us...may try to go to another maybe Beacon..anyone have tix...ENJOY!
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:27:36 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, still sleeping
Yes it was Pretzel Logic - it was late what can I say.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:23:03 ET
Posted by: Whoops, didn't read
the post explaining that yes, that was PL. Go easy on me, it's early.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 08:21:18 ET
Posted by: Just a , guess
CBAT=Pretzel Logic?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 07:45:22 ET
Posted by: Hopeful: Desktop,
Big fan et al.: And now for a minor inspirderrvation. I am reminded of Guy Clark and Verlon Thompson—others like Slaid and JJW--whose MO in part is to be “amusing” w/ the audience and w/ each other on a regular basis. Hehe. Dude, these cats follow their muse(s) around, don’t you? T’wd be funny for SD to create an origami Chinese yo-yo of their setlist or make one of those paper hats that looks like a sailboat. hehe
We noticed at a recent Indigo Girls’ concert that their super tech (changing instruments for most every song) had obviously also kept track of the setlist because the girls can definitely swerve. Neat-O that list is always posted BY THEM. Whoa.
I must credit my falling victim to SD via a slick little DE band named Jack of Diamonds though I played the album with “who are these children” all the time along with Bare Trees, etc. I think I’ll spin some this morning since it’s past coffee time. Have fun weekenders. Congrats to all graduates! Hopeful.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 07:43:38 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Therewere a lot of reactions of disapointment about the setlist and the length of it. We all reacted like a child who's toy was stolen.So was i too.
But i think it's better to let all those selfish feelings behind us and enjoy what D&W are serving at this moment. The quality of the setlist is progressing in a positive way. It's clear, 15 songs is not much but it's better than nothing and who knows if our boys will ever tour again after this worldtour. So never mind.
Jazzini- Oslo.
I'm complete with you. The complete Steely dan is one great artistic masterwork on his own. A very extraordinary collection of something that seems to be music.
It's something equivalent of music coming from another planet.
Surely, it's not so popular as the actual contemporary stuff, they are not be able to fill a 40 000 people stadion in one day just like Genesis, The Police or The Stones are doing. 80% of the people even don't know Steely Dan !!
But we all know that there is no comparable music with this one of Steely Dan. Fagen & Becker are considirate as the greatest composersduo in Rocks hystory . The problem is that they cannot sell themselves and just that fact make them greater and immortal.There's no doubt: they are the best.
Si i don't give a sh.. about the setlist or the lenght about it. Being there and ejoyb the show, that's what counts.
SWEET JULY, I'M WAITING FOR YOU
Brussels, Paris, Rotterdam, Bonn and Lucca are better be prepared.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 06:37:30 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol UK
Now these set lists are beginning to become great - Pretzel Logic is IMHO one of their greatest songs - what a fantastic four song opening - thanks to all who poast set lists and reports - for us over the pond its is our only contact with Dan (until July) and much appreciated.
Richard
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 04:41:33 ET
Posted by: posterity, elsewhere
Don and Walt
or touring musicians
please do a professional video recording for posterity
three nights at the Beacon would be nice
then you can combine into one long DVD
if less is more, than more is a little more, more or less
or one of your euro jaunts
will they do Black Friday in Aussie Land? Of Course
a DVD of this tour with this smoking band
needs to be recorded for posterity, please
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 04:09:17 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Killer set list from Wallinford last night. First TvN, now Pretzel Logic ? These boys seem to be benefiting from some early summer southern sun on their backs and are warming up nicely. Dr Wu by the time they get to Boston anyone ?
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 03:02:24 ET
Posted by: TrixieP, Middlebury
The did play Pretzel Logic tonight and it was incredible.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 02:56:07 ET
Posted by: hoops,
It's very kind when someone takes the time to post a setlist.
They really go out of their way to enter it here for the pleasure of Danfans like me when they just as well could serve themselves by going straight to bed after coming home from the show and skip the post.
So it irks me when people make snide remarks if they make a late night error. That's why a snide post is gone and another is reworded with the addition of some decency and respect. I can guess who you are.
Thanks to all who post the setlists. And damn those of you who are hecklers--you are posers trying too hard to be cute all the while not giving a shit about most of us.
Jim
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 02:39:23 ET
Posted by: Rob, Hartford, CT
Pretzel Logic was played between 2vN and Haitian Divorce.
Was caught off guard by Godwhacker, never one of my favorite EMG tunes, but the version tonight smoked.
Bummed that they didn't include EMG and Monkey in Your Soul, would have really liked to have heard both of those.
Dirty Work was a highlight for me.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 02:01:27 ET
Posted by: cbat?,
Regarding CBAT on the set list. Obviously, Can't Buy a Thrill is not a song...I assume they did a song off the album--which one? Thanks for the setlist Big Fan! Much appreciated.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 01:54:49 ET
Posted by: also in CT, The southland
Hey Big Fan---I didn't take setlist notes, but didn't they play Pretzel Logic tonight? It was f^%$g great! Got a bog ovation. The sound in the hall was nearly perfect overall. I was also very pleased with the setlist and performances. Audience was ok, would have liked to see more dancing but maybe security held it down. There sure was a lot of 'seat-dancing' tho. I'm going to try to catch them again in Boston and hope for another changed setlist
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 00:38:28 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home - almost in bed
Real quick before I hit the hay:
Chevrolet Theater, CT Setlist 2007
Time Out Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
CBAT
Haitian Divorce
Hey 19
Peg
Babylon Sisters
I’ve Got the News
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodhisattva
Maybe they do read this site - dropped two songs from the new albums for two older chestnuts - which is OK, but for me personally I would have been bummed if I hadn't gone the night before - this way I got to see both!
Mix up by Don - he went right into introducing Walter for Haitian Divorce right after CBAT - much to the puzzlement of everyone else on stage - Walt walked over after they finished and the picked up Hey 19 then. I was afraid at first they were dropping two songs there - but the bemused look of Walter told me something was wrong.
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 00:27:44 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Confused
mcmar:
Try scrolling down a little. It's there
Date: Sat, May 19, 2007, 00:22:05 ET
Posted by: mcmar17, NE
I am trying to find out the set list for the 5/17/07 show. Thanks
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 21:36:55 ET
Posted by: TorontoFan,
Tickets seem to be available for Turning Stone, I was able to snag a couple. Floor tickets, too, so slide on down...to Ticketmaster.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 19:08:51 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
From Thirldworldman - What is your opinion (everyone who attended) of the sound quality of last nights show at the Mohegan Sun? Doug in Ct.
Thought the sound was very average. We were sitting in 114, just right of the stage and assumed it was speaker orientation. However, poor acoustics may be part of the venue. Firt time there for us.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 18:49:05 ET
Posted by: jazzassin, Oslo, Norway
Answers to "to jazzassin"
v.1.1:
Their ability to write fantastic, deeply original songs with catchy, yet odd melodies and intricate arrangements - combined with their equally original and witty lyrics is still present @100%. And the musicians playing on EMG are as good as any other setup through the years, as well as the studios and personell used. The difference is simply that they are now, naturally, even older and even more experienced than ever before, and to our fortune, jazz musicians is not like bubble gum pop stars - they're in fact almost always getting better and better at what they do. D & W confirms this themselves in an interview when 2vN was released, the journalist asks them to describe the music on the new album, and their answer was: "More or less the same stuff as always, only more sophisticated". Funny, due to the fact that the word "sophisticated" must be one of the most frequently used descriptions of their music through all times. See? And I find this to be true, and that it goes for EMG as well.
v.1.2:
My quote COULD be written (and read) as a documentation of my own insanely hangup for ALL things Steely Dan, and the religious aspect of fandom being taken to the limits for no other purpose than the fun of it all... But, man, listen to the solo duet on Green Book, and tell me that's not groovy 'nuff! By the way, when seriously listening to any SD album from the start to the end, it is such a total and ecstatic state of life, that I am hardly willing to compare it to anything - it just IS..... And that is not depending on which one we're talking about - they'll all do. Each listening to great recordings by great musicians is a unique experience in itself! But EMG is really the one I listen to most often these days, though that changes back and forth over time.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:55:14 ET
Posted by: thirdworldman, sneakin' in the alley with Sally
I was in various bands from high school age (guitar, vocals) and after that, from the early 80's thru 01, part of 02, was a Dj.
I did numerous clubs from NY thru Ct some in Providence, beach bars in Misquamicut and Old Lyme, and did the wedding/private gig thing as well.
I know it's not exactly the same thing, but on some levels it is:
I really enjoyed a crowd when they were willing to respond to whatever I was into, and it really sucked when I had to play the same old songs over and over again (one of the main reasons, among others, I quit doing it)I dreaded playing the same old shit and grew to hate the grind of it. I was of the school of thought that if I was no longer enjoying it I could make a living doing something else, so I moved on. I obviously didn't make the kind of money these guys make, so maybe the money would make it easier to tolerate, but the idea is still the same. Ya gotta like what you do, even better love it, you are quite lucky imho to be in that situation.
Doug in Ct.
Ps whenever I could play SD and get away with it i did, which made it bearable, almost fun!
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:49:15 ET
Posted by: to jazzassin,
id be interested in you explaining how EMG is their best performance. it's easily my least favorite.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:35:09 ET
Posted by: Squeeky Willie, Brrisltle
Beaubo that's genius, the Elvis costello thing! Wheel of Fortune - why not a ROULETTE WHEEL!!!! Heavy Rollers, yes, yes!It's all coming clear now - anyone who guesses the next song Gets TO Say Who SINGS IT!! ;-)
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:26:50 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 16:23:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
I think the suggestion in your first post (a few special "deep cut" shows) is better than the "15 minute" deep cut break. That would be too distracting, and insulting, to the fans and the band, IMO.
Was probably being a little facetious about the '15 minute extended bathroon break' for the masses during deep cuts!!! But an advertised 'deep cut' show in a major market like NYC or Chic or LA just might have legs.....hell, I'll ask Dad just for kicks!!!
I remember one year when Elvis Costello toured, he had a big 'Wheel of Fortune' wheel of all his songs (or at least a big hunk of em) and he played whatever song came up after spinning the wheel after each song. That was cool!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:22:35 ET
Posted by: jazzassin, Oslo, Norway
The following quote is mine, and originally written for the Steely Dan group on facebook.com, as a reply to an ongoing discussion board topic called "Steely Dan album elimination", where people ranklist their personal favorite Dan albums. In my opinion, the overwhelming amount of posts here at the BlueBook containing setlist wishes for upcoming concerts, calls for a word from a fan as loyal and silly as a fan can get. Therefore, consider the essence of this quote as adressed also to all you out there with strong, specific hangups for certain parts of the SD material:
<Hey, what's this? Blasphemic listings and ratings of Holy Material? I hoped we all shared the opinion of SD's music not being subject to neither ordinary criticism nor quality ratings of any kind? Due to the fact that their music catalog is a deeply unique destillate of all the best elements derived from the entire history of music, a rare gift of which we should be grateful and humble, any internal ranking of their albums would be like if christians should dispute over which chapter of the holy bible is the best or most important one. The logical fact is, indeed, that all their albums are equally good, but of course time has matured our heroes and their skills - in some ways one could argue that the albums are getting better and better for each new one, with EMG as the absolute peak performance so far. I am an old guy, compared to 99,99% of Facebookers, and have been a completely convinced DanFan since -77 when I was 14 years. When I first heard Pretzel Logic, I immediately checked out all the other albums available at the time being, and life has never been the same. And I can assure you all that this music will be a life-long source of pleasure and astonishment - every day of the rest of your lives, if you like! Its durability is that extreme. And it will be listened to long after all of us is gone. There is two main categorys of music; Steely Dan Music (SuperMusic) - and all the other stuff. Ok? ;o) >
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 17:03:21 ET
Posted by: Apolo Oh-no! Oh-no!,
I think the ridiculously hot Julianne Hough and I should come on during Haitian Divorce and do a Samba. We like to move it move it, if you didn't know.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 16:47:29 ET
Posted by: Squeaky C Willie, Bristol
sorry, not "Richard" - Robert H, I should have said.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 16:44:48 ET
Posted by: Squeaky Clean Willie, Bristol, UK
Just for the record, whether this Richard guy exists or is a wind up, he certainly doesn't represent any kind of reasonable "re-balancing" to the massed calls for more current songs/ deep cuts. People who've heard a couple of hits don't own a band. A gig is where the band and the following get together and commune. If all you know is the hits, you need to respect that when you walk in and expect to learn a little. How can it be unreasonable to expect an "artist" to perform relevant, current stuff? Sure, you have to do stuff to get money in, get a bit of passing trade etc. but greatest hits shows as a staple are sad and cynical. SD were always aloof from the demands of the music biz, and that makes this current touring business the eye of the needle, for reasons outlined by Beaubo. Nevertheless, as the line from Annie Hall goes - "love is like a shark, it needs to keep moving to survive".
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 16:23:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Good additions, beaubo.
I think the suggestion in your first post (a few special "deep cut" shows) is better than the "15 minute" deep cut break. That would be too distracting, and insulting, to the fans and the band, IMO.
While I don't think they would do separately titled shows, i really like the idea.:
One Deep-Cuts show in every region of the country, in a great venue, at a premium price. This, of course, is designed for us Dan-freaks...not necessarily for Walter, Donald and the band. I think they are having a great time playing the shows as they are. There is no sense of boredom, or going through the motions.
There is one more thing to consider. When reading through some of the dream set-lists here, songs The Dan decided not to record are included. Guess what? They aren't playing The Second Arrangement even for a Deep Cuts Tour. Forget hearing Cash Only Island...not gonna happen.
But, I would argue the boys HAVE busted open the set list. They may not be playing long, but they are certainly playing many different songs, this tour. Last tour was a "greatest hits" tour, Donald was true to his word when he said there would be "deeper cuts" this time.
Steelydoc: No fancy lighting show. It's perfect, but unobtrusive and no screens/movies/etc.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 15:50:03 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
Another issue that 'classic rock' bands have to contend with, especially in the past five years, is the glut of OTHER classic rock bands on the concert trail all during the compressed 3 summer months.
If Steely Dan left even a mild taint in your mouth (or ears) from the last tour, well then you can spend your finite concert budget on the Police, Genesis, Roger Waters, Def Leppard, Doobies/Kansas, Bryan Adams/George Thoroughgood, INXS, New Cars, ad infinitim, ad nauseum.
So, there are competitive pressures to keep the setlist relatively well-pruned.
For me the most practical (maybe cynical) approach for SD, would be to announce in the middle of the show 'Hey the next three songs are deep cuts/or for the hardcore,so there's no hard feelings if anyone else wants to camp out in the lobby for the next 15 minutes'. Obviously, I don't think SD or ANY band has the ego or balls to pull this suggestion off, BUT it would likely be areasonable strategy to satisfy the hardcore and casual fan...AND keep the band fresh and attentive.
I had the chance to tour with different bands in the mid/late 80s as acorporate sponsor liason (yeah, heresy, I know!!!) and hearing the same sets night after night drove me crazy, and I wasn't even up on stage. I can only imagine how the bands must feel!!
That said, SD is in a unique position. Unlike a Pink Floyd or Genesis or Rilling Stones where the production is so tightly choreographed, leaving little wiggle room for setlist changes, let alone spontenaity within each song, SD has an unobtrusive production, so they could easily make wholesale set list changes without totally confounding the lighting director and sound mixer.
Further, I really thought that one of the advantages of moving from amphithetres and areans to primarily smaller/intimate venues, was precisely to 'bust open' the setlist, since the audience would conceivably of more committed fans who appreciate a smaller venue.
Wrong again, I guess!!
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 15:46:44 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" ......my back to the wall
a victim of tour expense
this is a tease
a set list with no suspense
yearning to hear the songs we love
with those of my kind
but their cowing
to knuckle heads
who're heading to the beer lines
I crawl like a viper
to a new evening show
wait for something different
fork out some major dough
I cried won't you play another song
screw me, it won't last that long
this brother is peaved
house lights and it's time to leave "
Pretty Friggin Funny !!!! .... Well Done
J. " Snuggles " Fly !
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 15:45:22 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of Philly
....what's the scoop on lighting and stage graphics this time around? I loved that movie clip they played in '03 during Haitian Divorce...anyone know what it was?
I am thinking of having a Danfest for the Tower shows, there's a bar right across the street...I had some bumper stickers made up, if anyone would be interested...
I looked a couple of hours ago at Ticketmaster, they released good seats for both Tower shows...
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 12:43:54 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Nice post, Beaubo.
I was at the Second "comeback" show in 93, sitting next to Pete Fogel. As of the 93 tour, we didn't have many concrete expectations. Didn't know what the band would sound like other than from NYR&SR. Hadn't heard any of 11TOW, in fact most people had never heard Walter sing. We were warned in pre-tour interviews that the boys were only touring because they had new material to perform and weren't very interested in doing old stuff except from the last few SD albums. (This is why the 1993 version of Reelin' knocked my socks off and caught me by surprise - I swear that Donald had specifically vowed not to play it along with Rikki and other hits). Amazingly long and varied show, at least early in the tour.
Plenty of familiar material for the uninitiated, and of course even us hardcore fans had yet to get burned out on Bodhi, Josie, MOS, etc. Some restelessness during Walter's mellower material (Book of Liars, Fall of 92), but not the uptempo songs (Cringemaker, Girlfriend) which went over pretty well as I remember. Everyone loved Drew Zingg and the Three Tenors horn section. They even had the nerve to end the night with a long medley from Kama, featuring the trading of fours among Donald (on Keytar), Walter and Drew. If they had never performed again and this had been a one-off reunion like Cream or The Police, I would have been satisfied.
You can never experience your "first time" again (right, Jerry Falwell? Thanks, Larry Flynt.) I still get a kick out of the "breakouts" like 2vN and Gaslighting this tour, and they haven't totally exhausted their book yet.
For a project, who wants to go through their official discography and list the songs they have played vs. the ones they never played. I think the Broberg site has a list like that, not sure if it's up to date. We all want Wu, but off the top of my head, over the years they have done all of Aja, all but Everything You Did from Scam, a hefty chunk of Katy, 5/7 of Gaucho, 5/8 of CTE (digging deep here to include King of the World in 74), 2/3 of Pretzel, half of CBAT (again, including the Royce Jones version of Brooklyn in the dark ages). How bad is that, in the grand scheme of things?
That said, let's hope for bustouts of My Rival and Glamour Profession sometime soon based on Keith C's accounts of their rehearsal. And Wu, of course.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 12:38:50 ET
Posted by: thirdworldman, "smokin with the boys upstairs"
What is your opinion (everyone who attended) of the sound quality of last nights show at the Mohegan Sun? Doug in Ct
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 12:22:49 ET
Posted by: the real donald,
Beaubo Cleveland - thanks for that insightful post.
Re: the real Donald - Donald reveals himself in Barrytown and Any World as well as Deacon. I think Donald mentioned in some interview that Barrytown and Any World were written before he met Walter (maybe it was only one of those songs?). Also interesting that the protagonist from the William Gibson book Count Zero is a loser from Barrytown, who hangs out in a bar called the "Gentleman Loser".
Robert H seems really proud of his lemming credentials.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 11:10:03 ET
Posted by: beaubo, Cleveland
As the son of a rock concert promoter, I can understand the delicate balance that a 'classic rock' band has to create with its set list.
At one extreme was Todd Rundgren, who was SO self-indulgent with his set list choices, that his average attendance in Cleveland sank from 36,000 (two soldout shows at the big arena) to 3,500 (one almost soldout show at theatre-sized venue) in just 3 years and never recovered. The hard core fans loved the deep cuts and just a sparingly sprinkle of hits (and not even the big ones!!). And since Todd continues to make new music, he feels strongly about playing it! So, as an aesthetic model, Rundgren was satisfied and never bored; as a business model, it was a disaster. Either Rundgren had other income streams whereby he could afford to not mass merchandise his set list or he didn't have major financial aspirations anyway.
At the other extreme are bands like Chicago and Earth Wind and Fire, who will happily trot out a 'greatest hits' set list without any trepidation, since they have no recent new or relevant material. They tour every two years on average and their feeling is tht the 'classic rock' crowd is relatively low maintenance with very predictable expectations. These bands continue to be concert circuit workhorses; they consistently draw 4500-6500 average attendances. This consistency allows promoters and managers/agents to agree on sustainable talent fees with minimal risk to any party.
Do the bands go nuts or numb playing the same set list 60-75 times a year. Well, for 2 hours of 'work' in front of an adoring crowd, pulling in low six figures per night, its clear that most bands can grin and bear it.
In the middle are the Springsteens and Claptons of the world, who can take on special projects (Tom Joad/Bruce, Robert Joohnson/Eric)and drag a small, but significant portion of their fan base with them. But when they return to the arena/stadium circuit, they are content to pull out the old reliables to 'pay the bills'.
I was at the very first Steely Dan show in 1993 in Detroit. And I was nicknamed 'Steely' in high school, so there are my 'credentials'!!! The set list was chock full of WB 'Twelve Tracks of Thwack' and DF 'Kamakiriad' deep cuts. I could FEEL the visceral restlessness and confoundment of the crowd. And the traffic to and from the exits was UNABATED through the first 3/4 of the show. It was tragic. The last 1/4 of the show finally highlighted the 'hits' and I think Steely Dan salvaged the night. But, when I saw them a month later, the list list wasn't just overhauled , it was junked, to basically reflect the current incarnation of the Steely Dan setlist.
Everyone jumped down their throats in Detroit- the fans, the media, the promoter, the agent, the manager. It must have been very traumatic for DF and WB.
Anyhow, the setlist methodology for a band like Steely Dan whose 21st century music is as accessible, likeable and relevant as its 20th century music, is not an easy one to construct.
Maybe the solution would be to announce that one of the NYC Beacon shows will be the 'Deep Cuts' show and they can charge a premium for the hardcore folks who would appreciate Dr. Wu, Boston Rag, Gaucho, some DF gems like 'Century's End', 'Security Joan', etc.
On an unrelated note, I really am a bit bummed that 'FM' didn't make the setlist so far.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 11:05:19 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Reactions to recent posts:
First, I'm pretty certain Robert H. is a parody. Would someone with that superficial understanding of SD even find the BlueBook, then post to it addressing the band without reading a few posts to get the flavor of the deep-fan perspective? We may never know. But Donald and Walter, if you're reading this, please don't take him seriously. (Hey, Walter may have written it himself, you know. Probably not, though, not witty enough.)
I have to admit, if I went to see a 70s-era band I knew only from their radio hits, and they omitted many of them, I might feel a bit disappointed, but I probably wouldn't go see a band I knew only from their radio hits. I bought more vinyl in the 70s than you could count, and if I didn't get into a band in that era, or discover them later (the Meters are an example), I wouldn't go see them now. Then again, I saw Steve Miller maybe 10-15 years ago when he was plugging a pretty decent blues-oriented album. I only knew his music from the hits, but the non-hits were so much better musically! When he played the hits, the crowd went nuts and drowned him out singing along. They snoozed through the much better, less commercial material. Hardcore SD fans and SM fans are diametrically opposed in that way, I'd say.
Finally, Rajah, I agree that the combined "SD persona" D&W have created isn't much of a representation of either of them, but instead consists of a variety of composite fictitious loser/scammer characters used for dramatic and humorous effect, with one notable exception: The protagonist of Deacon Blue is Donald all the way, the prototype for the entire Nightfly record, I'd wager. Sort of an older Donald recalling his suburban teenage fantasies about life in the shadowy world of jazz musicians, but Donald just the same.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 10:24:56 ET
Posted by: JoeM,
Great show at Mohegan Sun last night. The band just sounds excellent. Carlock locked in as always, on Aja in particular. Chill inducing.
Bad Sneakers, 2VN, EMG, Gaslighting Abbie, Dirty Work? Just a great sound and great musicianship throughout.
Man, do I love these guys. They are one of a kind.
Joe
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 10:05:59 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
Thanks for the call from Mohegan last night...except I don't know who it was! Couldn't hear a thing with the background noise and the foreground nosie (which would be my family).
I'm ready for Wallingford tonight-it's hours now WuDuF! See you at 3!
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 09:28:48 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hey Robby
Maybe you would like see REO Speedwagon now playing at the Victorville CA fairgrounds..price you will like $25.00. They play all of their hits which are?
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 09:05:40 ET
Posted by: wormtom, sitting in my nowhere soil
If I tweeked the setlist
tra la la la la la
la de da de da de dah de dah
I would Whack the GOd and replace with THings I Miss the Mostest
Add Wu and Home at Last fest
and Cave to Jack of Speed
that would be a rich dan man indeed
the great thing is
the setlist is getting close,
big fan - the dan obviously reads the blue,
setlist changes show it
glad to retire Do It Again, Green Earrings, My Old School etc
they play them well but slight going through the motions playing so often and overexposure to the long time live fans
Peg - hope you are next , bodi (i understand the guitar dueling fab)
don't judge how well received songs are by the dancers who only know the hits or the drunks who have to get another beer
judge by "the smile on my face" when riding the dragon
Wormy setlist recommended mods
###drop the turtletalk jeri show boat intro
(walk on and just do it!)
Time Out Mind
***Godwhacker / replace with Jack of Speed
Bad Sneakers
2VN
EMG
Hey19
*** Things I Miss the Most
Haitian Divorce (Don joins in on chorus)
Peg
*** little 15 minute nap if you need one
give the voice a breather
then reopen with
*** Caves of Altimira (horn parts are just fab!)
Babylon Sisters
Gaslighting Abby
Dirty Work
*** insert Dr Wu
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodhisattva
*** leave Carolyn off and consider closing with 3rd encore Home at Last (touching Ulysses ending - fitting to a great show)
20 tunes tuned to perfecto
we now resume our regularly scheduled program
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 09:01:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Chillin at the Manatee Bar
Raj...I wit chu re: The Boys. I was havin a little fun and looking for a way to call someone, hell ANYONE, "Dave from Acquisitions". But, let's not go overboard. I'm sure Don CAN be a real jerk at times. He's still my man, though.
As for Robert H...well, I'm thinking this is sarcasm, a reaction to the "Sellout Set List" posts. It really puts those obnoxious attacks in perspective.
If Robert H is for real (please God, no), then he is unlike most Dan Fans I know, as we are not about the "hits". But, I'm sure there are those who just want to hear the songs they know. (At Fagen's solo show, one man was REALLY pissed they didn't play H-Gang.)
If his letter is serious, I wonder what radio stations/formats Mr. Haisten has been listening to all these years if he thinks "Peg," "Hey, Nineteen," and "Time out of Mind" are the three biggest hits they played. I don't know about the "charts" but Josie, Black Cow, Kid Charlemagne, Babylon Sisters and Dirty Work are more known than TOOM, IMO. And anyone who isn't familiar with Aja, should call themselves a Steely Dan fan. Of course, IMAO.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 07:15:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, home - taking vacation
Mohegan Sun Setlist 2007
Time Out Mind
Godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
EMG
Hey19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Gaslighting Abby
Dirty Work
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodhisattva
Went with my 16 year old son last night. – his second SD concert and the weather was far better than the Friday Woodstock gig.
Ate at the BBQ place – they played nothing but Steely Dan songs the whole time we were there.
Got to party with Girl Margret, Suedave, etc. before the show.
They started 30 minutes late – typical for the casino – a very late arriving crowd. Played until about 9:10.
Decent crowd – I’d say at least 5000. Upper section was almost full.
Our floor seats – although in the last row were excellent. No complaints.
Forgot that at these big arenas they have huge video screens on the side of the stage. Great close-ups all night of Walter and JH playing guitar. Would love a copy of that!
A big shout out to the dancing hotties in Section 105. We got a kick out of watching them get hassled by security all night.
Sound was average at best – just too booming.
Loved the setlist – couldn’t be more pleased. We were hoping for some additional songs of course since there was no opening act last night.
My wife and I are big Soprano’s fans – and now we know Walter is too. Rather than the mongoose tale during the intros, he remarked that if you had seen last Sunday’s Soprano’s you might want to think about going and taking some peyote buttons before hitting the roulette wheel. Priceless.
Can’t wait for tonight’s show.
Robert – no one from the band reads this page.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 01:12:29 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Just back in from MOHEGAN - 6 hour round trip, tired! No complaints about the set list. Good mix of old and new. SD started at 7:30 and ended at 9:20, which may have made MOHEGAN the longest play yet. No Organ Trio for the opener. Suspect SD played more than 15, they must have to make 1 hour and 50 minutes. Right? I'm sure someone else will post. Got to run. Sorry we missed out on Lucky's Lounge. Arrived just before 7! Have to get ready for work at 6am!!!!!
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 01:06:27 ET
Posted by: man you must be smokin wherever you, are
Robert H. Or else you have purposefully written the funniest post this year as a joke to mock the hard-core Dannies?
Nice work if you did. An all-Wetside Story if you didn't.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 01:04:06 ET
Posted by: WuDuF,
Just got home from Mohegan Sun. My hubby and I thoroughly enjoyed the show. In my opinion (since that's all these posts really are--opinions), seeing and hearing Steely Dan play whatever they want to play is always a treat. I liked the mix of old and new songs--some we've heard before and some we haven't. I respect the musicians' decision to decide what the set lists should be (that is if they are not going to consult me first!), and it is always better than not hearing them at all. Some highlights--Keith Carlock's solo on Aja, the tricky horns on "Gaslighting Abby", the girls' singing performance on "Dirty Work", Fagen's singing on "Everything Must Go", the energy during "Kid Charlemagne." It was cool to hear "Haitian Divorce", even with Becker's well-known "style" of singing, and the odd feel of "6" (a musician's term) during "2 Against Nature" showed what talented musician's they really are. People around my section were all having a good time, and since I was in the last row, I could get up and dance and not get in anybody's way!
Can't wait until tomorrow night and the opportunity to "Do It Again."
See you soon Zim.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 00:43:21 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Robert Haisters,
for good measure,
please give us feedback on your
"Best concert ever" in detail as well.
I am curious and may have been missing out.
And what other "hits" should have been played that qualify as "songs"
since the Sisters don't do it for ya
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 00:29:12 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the price is right
Dear Robert,
Man, did you ever miss the boat! You should have seen LAST year's tour. Oh, darn. But I know the feeling. I saw last year's show 10 times and had to hang out with people like you. Boy, did those Top 40 hits get monotonous after the 5th show or so....
Hey, I'll tell you what. I feel so badly for your experience that I am going to take a collection up for you next week at some shows. Yep, I feel sure that all my generous Dan buddies will pitch in for your trouble. Be sure and send me your mailing address, so I can send you the $$. K?
Oh, and once we pay you back, I'll be happy to keep you in the know on upcoming tours and what you might want to spend your hard earned bucks on. All I ask in return in that you kindly take your sorry ass whining and go somewhere else. I know we can make this work!
Fondly,
Little Wild One
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 00:11:40 ET
Posted by: Robert Haisten, Clearwater, FL.
Subject: Worst concert ever!
I attended your 2nd night conert at Ruth Eckerd Hall in Clearwater, FL.
I hoped to at least hear SOME of your hits! My all-time favorite is "Deacon Blues", but not only did you not do that, you didn't do "Do it Again," "Reeling in the Years," "Rikki, Don't Lose that Number," "FM," or some other minor hits. 80 bucks for super-extended versions of Josie, Babylon Sisters [that barely qualifies as a song], and Kid Charlemagne, those hits and non-hits that either barely hit the top 30 or not even the Top 40? And you come back to do your encore, and you choose "BLACK COW"? How horrid!
You do the cover for Aja and your first albun, yet do NO HITS at all, except for "Peg". Sorry, but doing only three major hits, "Peg," "Hey, Nineteen," and "Time out of Mind" when you have so many you could do... that was the worst concert I've ever seen! And you referenced "Hey, 19" as being "70s" but it came out in late 1980!
I was warned. Someone once told me not to go to a Steely Dan concert, that you don't do your hits. However, I saw others once, and they said your concert [probably elsewhere or maybe diehad fans who don't care about hearing their favorite songs] said you were great! As one who likes to hear the hits, I wish I had listened to the one who warned me. I can't believe I spent that much money for a band which skips over most of their hits. Are you hoping that maybe I and others will do a return engagement, because maybe THEN you will do your hits? Ha, no way!
I was considering buying your new greatest hits package I saw advertised. Not now! No way! You will NEVER get money from ME again! You are hardly the first band I've seen to play almost non-stop filler most all night long, but you certainly have left a bitter taste in my mouth. I suppose you did THE OTHER hits that first night, and gave us second-nighters what was left over? I think that's horrid, esp. since the tickets cost so much. You make me much more hesitant to even go to concerts in the future. There are occasionally others like that, but skipping that much material to play these lame songs with no ending in sight-- that was quite nasty of you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt by sticking around to the end, though I had to leave my chair, I was tired of squirming. I told an usher, "Maybe now that they are coming back for their encore, they'll do their hits." Nope, not you. So many others left during the concert I noticed, obviously bitterly disappointed. Very few people were standing towards the end, that should have told you how much you bombed. But no doubt you know that, you just like to snub your finger in people's faces.
Oh well. Live and learn. Unfortunately for me, you don't know how well a band will do until you see them [or if you get reliable information]. I will be sure to tell other concert-goers of my experience in the future. It will be hard for any band to top your record, so on the plus side, I should enjoy future concert offerings, compared to this one. Definitely the low point in my concert experience.
Sincerely,
Robert H.
Date: Fri, May 18, 2007, 00:01:20 ET
Posted by: Ms.Fugazy,
And let's not forget, Steely Dan would be NOTHING without Walter Becker. Donald knows that better than anyone. The greatest duo since Rogers and Hart, Lennon and McCartney, Ellington and Strayhorn. These were and remain the giants.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 23:38:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Seriously Dean, I don't see very much of the real Donald at all very much in anything much of what he's written in the Mr. Steely Dan personna. For he and Walter, Mr. Steely dan is an amalgamation of all the tawdry and cheap things they've ever witnessed in other guys. By all accounts I've heard privately, he's a very quiet and introverted, somewhat tortured soul. But he's certainly a great soul. He seriously reminds me most of Duke Ellington, keeping a band together thematically whist changing players constantly. I will not soon forget what Jon said about him prior to the Wiltern Fagen show last year, "he's come up to me only one time after a soundcheck and said, 'hey, Jon, about that one little passage in there...oh...forget it'." Don is a wonderful man. I simply will not entertain anything to the contrary.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 23:07:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, On the computer
Raj, Donald just might be the protagonist in EMG, which would make Walter "Dave from Acquisitions".
Nite
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 23:01:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah, hidey-hidey-ho face
Jesus, I haven't burped a redux like that in years.
Guess it's time for me to book it...
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 22:47:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
TWM, as Tennessee Ernie Ford and Paul Simon have said, I 'preciate that, man.
How great was Walt Weiskopf on that soaring intro to Everything Must Go? So Coltrane to these ears. Cruel and unfeeling...but brilliant. It's a tough song to cozy up to, so much wrong with that protagonist. He's might be the most hateful combination of greed, insincerity, and flawed character in all of Steely Dan. Fitting he may be the last guy in the whole saga. Hope not, anyway.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 22:40:22 ET
Posted by: El Critico, Soboba
Kinda short for a Native American venue. Maybe they literally burned out @Soboba. Good show though even if 16 songs.
Blue criticism is paying off. Keep hammerin' and yammerin'!
TWO sets with 22 is now the Next Frontier......
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 22:11:41 ET
Posted by: TWM, pukin inthe parkin garage, summer entrance mohegan
rajah, ya ya all a that yah, we less eloquent agree and wish we could speak so purty(no sarcasm, you as almost always, are correct)
doug in ct
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 22:10:45 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Mohegan Sun Lobby, approx.
Setlist was the same as reported for Clearwater on 5/15
Time out of Mind
godwhacker (with horn solos a la Chumash)
Bad Sneakers
2VN (ladies sang last verse)
EMG
Hey19
Haitian Divorce (WB vocals)
Peg
Gaslighting Abby
Dirty Work (ladies)
Babylon Sisters
Josie + band intros
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodhisattva
Show started late, ~7:31, and ended ~9:20, including intro and outro numbers.
As far as I was concerned, TVN and EMG were the best numbers (horn and sax work in particular were superlative) of an outstanding show, any yet garnered only moderate applause.
GW
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 21:52:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah, well heck
Slowly but slowly, they seem to be adding more of the esoteric. That's the way to maybe massage this fanbase back to that lovin' feelin'. A short show but you never know what might be rendered. That's an inducement, that's a pretty savvy approach with this crowd.
Dean, I can appreciate where you're coming from on Dirty Work. David Palmer was bit precious with it but I still see this as essentially a guy's song. When the women sing it, it's just another torch song but you'll notice that unlike a classic female torch song, the protagonist exhibits no real feelings for the woman he's servicing. And yet as a whole the song does appeal to the heart, it's not very cerebral or complex either musically or lyrically. It's a bit of an anomoly isn't it? This is a song Donald might not be willing to sing, he certainly wasn't then, he probably isn't disposed now. So, howz about Jeff Young and that great tenor/baritone he carries in tow?
Go Dan. Home by the 11 o'clock news but...strangely satisfied? What say you Dandom...
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 21:44:42 ET
Posted by: Not so fast,
Fagen is a vocal chameleon, if nothing else. True he does not have that Timothy B. Schmitt vocal style that Palmer used on the original, but I really think he could make Dirty "work" in a studio setting, possibly by doubling his falsetto with his tenor mode.
However, on stage, without the aid of such trickery, Fagen could be hard pressed to pull it off authentically. That is not to say that Dirty could not work in a lower-pitched interpretation, like Jeff Young did with Any World last year, in a live setting. Walt B. is almost a bass singer in comparison to Fagen, and he does Haitian fairly credibly, no?
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 21:39:26 ET
Posted by: fan, .
Walter on Haitian Divorce tonight. Encore: Black Cow, Bodhisattva.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 21:38:23 ET
Posted by: fan, .
EMG was also played.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 21:21:47 ET
Posted by: Mohegan Buzz,
Sounds like another killer show tonight in Mohegan. Not sure of the correct order, but so far on the menu Godwhacker, 2VN, Gaslighting Abbie, Bad Sneakers...
Stay tuned.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 18:39:25 ET
Posted by: wormtom, New Orleans
internet brokers have great seats at reasonable prices
I just scored 2 first row tickets via tickCo.com
for Portsmouth Virginia June 8th!!!
reasonable price (+ $15 fedex + 10% processing fee)
you might try it for a show you want to see
I have the up close bug after Atlanta (6th row) and New Orleans
if they'd only add two more songs (15 minutes) and throw in TIMTM
George from Paris
glad you liked the parody
when i used to habitate St Al's BanyanTrees years ago
when it was fun and not a political bore
we would do a lot of these
(well, check those archives 2000-2003 or Ole's archived site for some more)
ole's dan site
http://cordmeyer.spymac.com/
click on the axe - then parodies galore
some great dan lyric breakdowns as well
cheers
wormtom
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 18:33:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, ST Augustine in body, Mohegan Sun in spririt
My two cents, for what it's worth:
Dirty Work should never be sung by Donald. It wouldn't work with him singing, IMO...even if it would, it's the perfect song to pass off.
David Palmer was the vocalist on CBAT (and, let's face it, he's a chick). Bonnie Rait KILLED with it in concert (SD at Shoreline, CA)last year. Carolyn abd Cindy are awesome with it right now.
It doesn't sound remotely like anything Don or Walt would sing.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 17:06:40 ET
Posted by: Grog,
Zim..Ill be 3rd row Wallingford..can't wait....what are they opening with at most of the concerts so far ...time out of mind?
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 17:00:23 ET
Posted by: hollywood,
i must say i am quite impressed with the set list variation.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 16:23:39 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Take the time to scroll down and read "gimt"'s Deacon Blues rework. Whatever your view of the current tour, setlist, etc. - and I do believe that every conceivable view has been posted here - it's a hoot.
I'm alive and feelin' fine.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 14:49:28 ET
Posted by: hoops, west loop, chicago
Hey Hey Mike;
There are maybe 4 Chicagoans who are regulars on this Bluebook; there's about 175 Danfans (last I checked) at chicago@dandom.com who have expressed an interestTn helping plan and attend the next Danfest in Chicago. That is a much better place to ask about the place since you will get many more answers. (I've been by the place but not inside.)
Just in general to all BlueBook types; It's much better for all involved if you plan, shout-out, discuss, offer tickets, talk about cover bands (like Reely Dan) and other local issues, on the Dandom/Danfest list near an area. Aside from getting a very interested focus audience, I also know that more than a few of the Danfest list people get pissed off when people have already decided on the Blue, in chat or some other forum where the Danfest will be held without seeking the input of those on the list. People on the local list are those are the most likely to attend--they're on the list specifically because they'd like help plan and attend a particular Danfest. And I think they are mostly justified when they aren't included in discussion.
Also; please use the aforementioned localized lists for ticket offerings, along with the Ticket Exchange in the Dandom Digest. Exponentially more people will see your ticket pleas or requests and it keeps down the noise level here. Of course there are exceptions: one is when it's a day or two before the show and you are desperate for a ticket or if you are traveling and don't have usual access to email.
Thanks for being a good Danizen by copperating.
Jim
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 14:23:57 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago, IL
http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/29515,0,1015442.venue
Hey Chitowners-here's a suggestion for the upcoming danfest. Anyone in the city want to check it out? Hoops you're not too far away at work!As I recall-nice neighborhood feel. More open areas then Millers. Lots of beer selections and walking distance from the venue. I'll stop in there also, next time I'm down there with some time-Cheers!
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 14:11:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, leaving soon
Acoustics are terrible at Mohegan Sun Arena - esp along the sides - however we are going anyway. I think the band said the only place worse in 03 was the hockey arena in NH. Unfortunatly, I was at both shows. But the casinos have very deep pockets and must pay out well. At least no warm up band tonight. I've been trying for better floor seats and none have come up - it looks like a bigger crowd than 03 since they are selling tickets on the upper level only right now. Oakdale show must be a real sellout - usually some tickets come up just before the show. None this year. I see a lot of high priced tickets for sale with online services - do they just eat the cost of those if they don't sell. If you add all the seats together it's over 100.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 13:47:46 ET
Posted by: Zim, CT
Just looked for tickets for the Wallingford show for fun, and there are NO two seats together, only single seats with partial view. Glad I got my 2nd row seats when I did. Wallingford is a great venue for music!
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 12:51:30 ET
Posted by: thirdworldman, barrytown...
In regard to Mohegan sun, I'm sure if your happy feet are out of your control you will dance wherever you may be, but there is no designated dance floor. It is a standard arena, capacity is 10000, and it is not sold out.
Some time ago the topic of acoustics at Mohegan Sun Arena came up here in the Blue, and I went on record to say I would not pay to see a show there again as the sound was so bad for the last SD show in August of 03. I did not, however, say that I would'nt take a free ticket!!
Every show brings their own sound, some shows sound better than others at the M.S.A. Where you sit can have alot to do with how you percieve the sound quality as well. Go with an open mind(I'm trying to follow my own advice)and have fun! Doug in Ct
ps $39.00 is one heck of a good deal no matter where you sit, and goes to show you CAN buy a thrill!
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 12:36:45 ET
Posted by: cvimt, you know where
hey corpsie!
I thought our canadian friend would take the bait
cheers and I'll do a little rump roast later this afternoon
gimt
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 12:16:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I've been to Mohegan Sun but never saw a show there. I did peek in, it looks like a basketball arena, it's gotta be at least 7-8000 seats. An NBA arena shrunk by about half.
The lyrics to Dirty Work - and I really feel Donald should take the vocal back over from the ladies - have always been the heart of the song. The chorus is great of course but it's this very barebones storyline with all kinds of foreboding stuff going on that sells it, none more chilling than, "Like the castle in the corner in a medieval game, I forsee terrible trouble and I stay here just the same." Referring to the "castling," move in chess which is of course a defensive move to protect the King and is a preparatory move to the bloody battle of pawns which more often than not ensues. Especially if both players castle their Kings and Queens in opposing positions on the board rather than facing each other, then all hell really breaks loose. David Palmer's reading was really quite effective, he gave it that sense of impending doom. Terrible trouble. This protagonist forshadows the guy in Deacon Blues crawling like a viper. Here, he's new at the game, being used by I take it some older attached woman. He knows what's being played out but he's helpless to stop himself. By the time we meet Mr. Deacon Blues, we see a much more hardened portrait of the same guy down the road. He's expanding alright, right into oblivion most probably. Again, that awareness of self but the inability to switch gears and change directions. Like the Do It Again guy, like so many Steely Dan characters. Anyway, the brilliance was already there early on.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 11:41:22 ET
Posted by: Grog,
Hey..does anyone know how many people Mohegan holds....is it sold out nad how are the acoustic there??...just checking thanks
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 11:23:36 ET
Posted by: Corpsy V, Top Soil Diner
howdy gimt~~~~
that brings back good old memories, my friend.
mind if it's archived in the parody corner?
ah, didn't think so :-)
and timg responded to your fluent creativity, but you gotto follow the rumpus brick road to get there...
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 09:56:45 ET
Posted by: Hopeless, in Springtime
Hey, newbee here 'agin--haven't been around much, but I see the gremlins are taking over or the trolls are here or whatevah. Hey, if a review is on My Space, it's gotta be bad. Whoever wants attention, may the G Gang stomp out your campfire, partner. Can't wait to hear "I foresee terrible trouble, but you know I'll be around" at the casino(s). Who are the lucky ones this eve? I want to request Pix and any dance music cuz I am a dancing fool.
Are there dance floors at these shows? I am pretty certain that some casino venues do a shuffle and arrange the chairs/tables so everyone can be comfortable and have a dance area, or whatevah. That's the beauty of some of these-type venues. Lighting is awesome, the audience area/stage area can set up can be modified on a dime in all sorts of cool ways, etc. Hey a runway or catwalk would suit the Leonharts, imho. Maybe some voguing may be in order.
One far-out thing I like about Indian casinos (along Rt. 66, for example) is the superb good will, lack of attitude, and a guaranteed first-class display of respect all around, shown by the proprietors, workers, managers and clientelle. Enjoy, all. Road Trip!!!!!
Plus if you are a newbie playah like moi, the tables and machines are divine madness, for lack of a better description. I like old fashioned games (like roulette), and I've never seen a casino without these (despite all the new toys and diversions).
What's new at these state-of-the-art play houses, I've notices, is the membership card game. As you groove through the place, the card is updated (yes) and remembers you when you go to another game. But you gotta remember to stick it in. And no kissing or pda(s) in public, folks. The new membership cards are like a gift card that is swiped, ya dig? If you don't dig then let me spell it out for you. Hell, you could be incognito and break a few rules, OK? Just remember to wear your dancing shoes or kick off your shoes on the dance floor, if you dare. There's going to be one hell of a pow wow depending on the invitee list. hmmm.
That little cool souvenir is a playah's incentive to play, and have fun and get prizes, etc. I've got a bit of advice that I learned--I noticed that there is a bit of etiquette to observe at Indian casinos. And remember, metaphorically speaking, that that pride and hunger don't go together . . . never say never (DE Indians' quote).
Some advice from a mid-westerner: gas up first, go to the DQ second, the gift shoppe third, fourth--the plastic membership card(s) stop (which are usually free, btw, so you may get rebates and bucks galore), to the box office and to the floor. Every day is a winding road, (CC).
What a time of season for beautiful NY State. Some respite is in order I do believe. I think NY is gaining a repetition for love of jamming. Right, the Jam State. And in casinos like VFWs and Mooses, Elks, etc. things can be rather surprising. hehe
Later brave warriors. Here's a shout out to Sherlock Holmes in Chicago. Go Mark. Don't buy up the whole place, and take all your beautiful girls to the show, if you dare. Out. Hopeless=hopeful
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 09:38:57 ET
Posted by: thirdworldman, at the grotto
wasnt planning on attending tonight's really big shoe, but, was given a ticket. so cool, I will be there, maybe I will wear the dr sues-like scarf that was swag from the fagen show...Doug in ct
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 09:36:13 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of Philly
...some tickets for the May 24 show at the Tower have popped up at Ticketmaster....just got seats in row LL..orchestra left center, about 15 rows from stage...
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 09:26:09 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Needs to get laid
It's too bad what happened to you in high school but it's time to grow up..seek help
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 08:53:25 ET
Posted by: Gigantic Fan, Huge
Another attendee- I'm sure YOU are the other fan. How does it feel to be so wrong?
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 08:47:28 ET
Posted by: Another attendee, CL
It was "Hate Divorce", but it was the worst version I have heard them play.
The whole band was weak on it and Herrington's solo just didn't inspire at all. It was the low point of the show relative to the other renditions.
Gigantic Fan, I don't know who the other poster is, he seems like a decent guy if not confused on about tune, but you are certainly THE MORON! Are you 15?? You act like it. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 07:49:16 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Groovyland
11 hours till showtime at the Mohegan Sun. Hoping to participate in a Wing Ding before and after the show. I'll be sporting my 03 Blue Steely Dan EMG hat. "What a night!"
Mark D
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 04:08:41 ET
Posted by: Bacchus666, Tampa
Link to blog with reviews and setlists for Ft. Myers, Orlando and the Clearwater shows: www.myspace.com/chambertin.
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 01:46:26 ET
Posted by: raj needs to get laid, work
you are one complaining dude. each and every day it's something tired and old.
either get blown or blow your brains out
love, raj's soul
Date: Thurs, May 17, 2007, 00:01:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, that was why the lyric floored me, when we'd get really stoned at school I used to dress up with what I thought looked like a mystic from the East. The Rajah employed many divining techniques, chiefly Ouja board, the tarot and I Ching. That plus a whole load of bullshit, I still have the technique for the bullshit however my other powers of late haven't been too sharp.
I say let Walter do it with Jon playing, wonder if that's possible. And how bout Don on alto sax to East St Louis? Schmaltz it all up why don't they.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 21:59:11 ET
Posted by: Zim, waiting for Friday night's show in CT
Steely Dan make Jeopardy again tonight-and the champ knew the answer. Better have-it was an easy answer.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:16:13 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan, ARTIST OF THE WEEK, SIRIUS CH. 16
My boy was listening and told me about it while we were driving seperately to work. Everything You Did was on, he said Man, it has guitar in it! Is it really THEM?
He has only heard maybe from TVN and EMG. For him, the Dan was always an object of ridicule towards me. I told him, well that was when the Dan was really, really fuckin good.
Well, all I have is a vinyl of Royal Scam gotta dig it out. The belt on the turntable is probably dry rotted. Maybe the Scam will shut his ass up?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:04:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase?,
Dude, I thought you once said that you got the name back in college because they thought you were mystical or some shit like that?
Which is it?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 18:39:27 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Raj-
Wouldn't you give the VoxBox to Jon?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 18:26:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah, of Erase
RJ, I took my moniker from that great line in Godwhacker which floored me first time I played it. No escape. Run run run.
How bout a talkbox for Walter on HD?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 17:41:22 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Hoops...thanks for the info on The Auditorium.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:53:28 ET
Posted by: anymanleft, rio grande
gimt~~~, your parody is priceless!!! And exactly why I'll bypass this years tour. Having seen them in 96,00 and 03 and been a big fan since day 1, I'll devote my time and money to other bands I have followed over the years that still deliver a fresh, original show each time I see them. I still love their music, but their shows have grown old and short.Keep reelin in the years...
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:30:54 ET
Posted by: Grog,
Big Fan...thanks...have 3rd row ctr..psyched..first time for my two brothers..they are getting super psyched....glad to see them playin tvn....nothing like aja tho..can't wait!.....can drop monkey in my book..bring back don't take me alive...please!!!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:29:15 ET
Posted by: clean willie, bristol
Hello all, just to say I'm following the news about set lists with bated breath. Got tix for London on July 7 and really hoping to get more than one set for that money?? I thought that this late-period SD was all about a jazz evening, ever heard of a jazz band doing less than 2 sets??
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:21:03 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
Why hasn't anyone who was at the Atlanta show
reported that the great Joe Sample was in the
house. Very cool.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:02:23 ET
Posted by: Bob Atl, Atlanta
First time posting and pardon the stale news but I wanted to get in during the heat of the touring season...was at the Atlanta concert Friday. I have seen SD four times: 74, 00, 03, 06 & 07.
I was at the sound check and heard a number of recorded tracks being played (first time in 3 sound checks I've heard those) and the band was working thru TIMTM but, as you know, didn't play it. Didn't hear any indication of any hiccups, due to a pre-recorded track, during the performance...be interesting to read how this and the set list issue play out during the tour.
Had 7th row pit on the right side and the sound was very good...had 13th row pit on the left side last year and the sound then was not nearly so. Did note what looked like the mixing console on the right of the stage this year as opposed to out in the audience iin years past.
Walt was great with "What the hell am I talking about?" after the mongoose story and "Even his name sounds percussive...CAR-LOCK." Don's Hey 19 voice-over was worth hearing again for "Saltines"...the only other person I know who says (and eats) "Saltines" and plays the Melodica is my father...but he still wears Rubbers and uses Skin Bracer.
The performance was solid...much more spirited than last year's performance here IMHO...the 2 performance's very different placement in the tour schedules may account for that.
What more can I say than Don greeting the audience with "Hi Kids".
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 15:39:50 ET
Posted by: gimt, ~ ~ ~
this is the day
of the contracting Dan
that shape is my shell
up on the band stand
it seems like only yesteryear
we played a two hour show
in the hands
of true fans
it all had to go
you say I look tired
you say I could use a rest
this one's mailed in
a short set then off...de-stress
so useless to clap some more
never do another encore
they'll pack up and go home
no spunk in the custerdome
Chorus
I learned to work the tour circuit
hired guns with capable chops
charge $88 green ones, plus t bastard
play 1 hour and forty minutes tops
they got a name for the touring heavy rollers
I wish they'd play some new tunes
they've done peg and josie far too many times
give us Deacon Blues
my back to the wall
a victim of tour expense
this is a tease
a set list with no suspense
yearning to hear the songs we love
with those of my kind
but their cowing
to knuckle heads
who're heading to the beer lines
I crawl like a viper
to a new evening show
wait for something different
fork out some major dough
I cried won't you play another song
screw me, it won't last that long
this brother is peaved
house lights and it's time to leave
~
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 15:28:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work listening to Atlanta 5/1107
Grog - I saw them at the former Oakdale in 03. I've seen them in a few different venues and I've seen numourous other artists there.
It is the best theater in CT unless you go to the Bushnell in Hartford or Warner Theater in Torrington. The sound is very good everywhere except if you are under the balcony - where the sound is very muffled. The balcony is actually very good in the front rows.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 14:25:25 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
I had also considered Monkey to be a lesser work, particularly with the original 60's cheesy-boogaloo beat and fuzz bassline in the studio version. In its live incarnation since WB brought it back (on the 2000 tour? I forget), it has morphed (sorry) into a slinky blues tune with some very cool horn parts, and Walter sings it nicely. Don't ask me how I know this. The new intro reminds me a little of the keyboard intro to Tomorrow's Girls. It's one of Walter's best reinterpretations of the classic repertiore, IMO. I've always been partial to his 96 version of Midnight Cruiser, too. And I wouldn't complain if he did Haitian Divorce in his one solo vocal slot this time around, either. I'd rather hear something from his new CD but we all want Wu, too.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 14:20:29 ET
Posted by: JamieTampa, Tampa- The Dark Side of the Sun
I have seen the Dan 4 times.......This was the best. Took little bro. I have been trying to find this site/ring for years - finally got it from an old friend. Little Bro said it was the best concert ever.....
Just wanted to intro myself, almost 33, love the Dan of course and the Dead and many others......
They most certainly did play Haitian Divorce- and as someone already pointed out the lead guitarist John is absolutly technically perfect.
Unbelievable.......I was singing Gaslighting at work earlier that day- and then they played it ! 2vsNature was UNFUGENBELIEVABLE and AJA was OUTFUCKINSTANDING. Looking forward to posting here about 2.3 times daily.
Pe@ce,
Jamie.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 13:36:09 ET
Posted by: jandanfan, Belgium
Deacon blue,
can you contact me?
jandanfan, Belgium
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:46:50 ET
Posted by: Grog,
I am loving what I am reading....seeing them outside Hartford, at the old Chevrolet theatre..anyone seen a concert there?..I hear the acoustic's are excellent....I pray they keep Aja that nite..one of my all time favorites live..AWESOME!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:04:03 ET
Posted by: Not a Day Care Worker,
I'll be happy when these babies go down for their naps.....
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:56:30 ET
Posted by: GF, Huge
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:48:01 ET
Posted by: "Dude, I went to the batroom at the end of 19, CL
and came right back to Monkey- you were lit!
No big deal, but you are DEAD wrong!"
Dude,
Who was lit? It IS a big deal and YOU were dead wrong! MORON.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:45:28 ET
Posted by: Gigantic Fan, Huge
What show was that clown watching? I TOLD you it was HD and not Monkey. The set list I posted was dead on. I don't make mistakes when it comes to "The Dan of Steel"!!
I don't call myself "Gigantic Fan" for nothing!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:20:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The Auditorium is a great old time venue. Hosts everything from the Beach Boys to Les Miserables. The most recent show I saw there was Bob Dylan with Chet Atkins; have also seen Paul Simon and Elton John (mostly solo with a piano) there. Great location off of Grant Park which is Chicago's counterpart to NYC's Central Park. For better or worse, Chicago's biggest Festival, Taste of Chicago, doesn't start until a couple of days later. Millions decend on Grant Park for about 10 days for that event. The capacity is about 3,900 roughly 100 seats more than the Chicago Theatre.
The Auditorium Theatre is a great all-around venue of international architectural significance and is part of Roosevelt University. Dating to 1889, it was designed by Adler and Sullivan. Louis Sullivan was the mentor of Frank Lloyd Wright who actually deserves some credit for certain parts of Adler and Sullivan creations. Other Sullivan-designed buildings of note include the Pilgrim Baptist Church. It's of note to Danfans because its acoustics and design were the home of what many consider to be the birth place of gospel music and was the home of Mahalia Jackson. The church. located about 3 miles south of the started out as a synagogue before being sold to the Baptist congregation. Sadly, it burned just over a year ago. So architecturally it's a great venue; acoustically I've been very satisfied--in fact more so than the Chicago Theatre where we saw Donald Fagen Band in 2006. Another Sullivan building many are familiar with is the former Schlesinger and Meier store which became the original location of London's Selfridges and then for over a century until this past winter was the Carson, Pirie, Scott & Co. flagship. It's maybe four blocks away from the Auditorium.
The only bad thing I have to say about the venue is to avoid the highest balconies. It's a touch vertigo-inducing during the show.
There's plenty to do and places to meet up near the venue. If you came in for the Morph the Cat show, some of the same hotels and transportation info will mostly work although, since the Auditorium is about 0.8 miles from the Chicago theatre, you may want to reconsider staying closer. Miller's Pub could still work for a Danfest but the Mexican restaurant we had the pre-show at is a bit far. There are better places.
So hope that gets you started:
Here's the venue's URL
http://www.auditoriumtheatre.org/
Jim
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:18:33 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Jacked-up
Tampa Fan you just made my day. Bravo.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:53:56 ET
Posted by: Tampa Fan, Tampa, where else?
Without a doubt, Haitian Divorce WAS played at the second Clearwater show. Walter sung it. I'm sorry, but I have not killed the number of brain cells that would be necessary to cause me to either hallucinate or suffer so much short term memory loss as to mistakenly think I heard Haitian Divorce. HD was in place of Monkey.
As to the two shows in Clearwater, they played for 1:40 both nights, and of all 8 Dan shows I have been to, these were the best. I cannot think of a single flaw in either show. Every player was phenomenal. Carlock killed everybody all night, especially during Aja, which was received on both nights by standing ovations/cheers unlike for any song ever heard/seen at any of the 6 other SD concerts I have been to. Absolutely, they should never play a concert without this song.
Walter's playing was the best ever. On Boddi, he played in a manner, and of a quality, I have never heard. We're not talking noodling here, folks. His solo on that song was almost Herrington-like, meaning ultra-great technical playing. On every song he played, both nights, he was smoother and more dynamic than ever before.
The crowds were totally into the show, and expressed great approval via tremendous cheers and standing ovations all night long.
Both nights were totally amazing!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:45:15 ET
Posted by: wormy, n.o.
Setlist still isn't fully there
anyone hearing the soundchecks to see what's being rehearsed?
I'm dying for TIMTM or WASAM to make it
the talk, the sex...
Damn, after N.O. and Atlanta I have the close up dan bug - bad
Looking for a date out east or midwest around Jun 16 within a week before or after for a great single seat, may try Chicago(
have to fly to MI for a wedding then, do a three way flight)
think they will add more dates between Jun 13 and Jun 27???
Don and Walt - add 2 more songs - take a break in the middle, just play
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:37:05 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
How does Walter sing "Monkey" and people hear "Haitian"? Man that
smoke from those fires must really be thick. We all get a little
toasted, but really. I mean when Walter did sing "Haitian" at Chumash, there was no doubt he was NOT singing "Monkey". And Jon on the Wah-wah, it's unmistakable people. Some people said the set list was getting longer. Not really. If you do a count, it's generally the same amount of songs. This first casino show will be the test to see if they will really expand the set. 8 shows in and still no solo Fagen tracks.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:12:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine: enjoying the contact high
As encouraging as the set list (and length) is how incredibly FACED our reviewers seemed to be.
Good for you, guys/gals. I'm jealous.
Is there anyone on this forum who went to that show and was sober enough to remember the set list...and is certain of it? LOL Actually, I hope you were all too faced to remember.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 09:30:22 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Wow the setlist length is more encouraging, plus the addition of the great city of Chicago. Can anyone out there give details on the venue, such as location, etc. Hopefully downtown and similar to the Chicago Theater? Thanks
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 08:43:03 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Noodle shop
Things are looking up indeed. Personally I don't understand including Monkey. I consider it one of their lesser works and it just always sounds primitive/unfinished to me. If you disagree, fine, but no name calling please! Lots of flaming going on when this should be the season of our collective glory.
BTW, Rajah were you Rajah before "Rajah of Erase"? If so, what is the origin of that handle. Just curious.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 07:31:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
6 Days and sizzling like an isotope.
Dad doing much better, The Dan Shows, The Stanley Cup Finals (knocking on wood) ahhh life is very good!!
Fife
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 06:58:36 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
That second Clearwater set list (with Monkey instead of HD or vice-versa) looks great and very encouraging for the UK dates - just a great choice and one hour forty will do me just fine.
Just heard a clip of TvN - Carlock's introduction is just superb on the live version.
R
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 06:29:22 ET
Posted by: Fire - fading down to ambers, 5/15/2007
Final comment! BUT, IMPORTANT factoid!
Another cool element of the show was that no less than three album title songs were played at a single show!
EMG
2VN
Aja
A FIRST ever for the Dan? I believe so
---Dreaming.........if only they had done Pretzel & Royal Scam & Gaucho too!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 06:20:18 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Chicago date added on SD.com
Jun 27 - Auditorium Theater - Chicago IL | on sale 5/21 < DATE ADDED
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 06:10:01 ET
Posted by: Fire to Blue - you all do have the 5/15 setlist!, CL and onward
Sorry, but the show was the best of the tour so far and I'm sure all are simply awed and exhausted.
You have the set list, if only in fractured form.
Greatest Fan, or whatever the handle is, put it down neatly and completely, except for his "Divorce hallucination". No put down meant to GF , again, everyone was in an altered state. I forgot Babs and Dirty and he mixed up Monk with Divorce - we're "even" by my count.
Ironically, I stood outside of the Hall after the show with several other highly seasoned Dan concert veterans and we were remarking specifically about the question of when they would play Divorce......
They have rehearsed it, but NOT played it on this tour so far - and those of us engaged in this conversation have all seen ALL shows so far.
So, you have the set list.
The Clearwater back to back shows were pure magic. Add in the prior Orlando show and they pulled a virtually epic trio of shows.
Better yet, word has it that more new songs may be thrown in the mix.
Anyone up for New Zealand?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 05:47:25 ET
Posted by: Peter et Cetera, Chicago
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Does anybody really know what time it is?
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Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 04:25:40 ET
Posted by: Newerker, Location: Simplicty, Laundry, Dishes
Sf: yea thx for that link about tyre far. Right, on that note, if you read thru posts-the last DF and SD tours, people made a lot of comments about electronic malfunctions. Out-of-the-ordinary coincidences, wouldn't you say. Recall the poser [sic] who said he went to the bathroom and his wires/camera broke and he didn't get a single thing? Hey, I broke a Kodak over SD. My bad-- jumping up in Boston. That would never have happened in Philly. The audience stands were careful--not to drop ones' name; i.e., not to crumple one's after-hours business attire, nor to drop the news tucked neatly somewhere. Anyhooooooooo: these artists are definitely able to stir up some ghosts (sorry).
Right Deville et Deacon Brussels: Maybe Jimi from Engleterre will stop by for a spell. Hmmm. Yes, I am reminded of Hunter's review. Can we agree that that "wicked good" can pop up just about anywhere? Hey, it worked for bad boy Hulk Hogan, who I wish were here right now to kick some ass on this Blue. Huh? Huh? Huh? Divorce Patent pending: http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0612,hunter,72554,22.html.
ya'll stay in bed where you belong. [oh my] hugs, j & j
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 03:40:11 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Whats going on this year. How hard is it to put together a setlist?
EMG!! Oh my! I mean, if they played it...
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:48:01 ET
Posted by: Dude, I went to the batroom at the end of 19, CL
and came right back to Monkey- you were lit!
No big deal, but you are DEAD wrong!
The truth shall emerge for you from others.
So, who did sing Divorce? - NOBODY!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:45:47 ET
Posted by: Dirty too, but who cares anymore....., CL
list now complete - with Babylon and Dirty, but NO Divorce played
Only tune from RS was Kid - no Caves tonight
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:45:03 ET
Posted by: Gigantic Fan, Clearwater
DEFINITELY played Haitian Divorce. This clown couldn't have been at the show.
I didn't smoke THAT much!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:42:02 ET
Posted by: GF, Clearwater
Walter of course. He did HD instead of Monkey In Your Soul.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:41:47 ET
Posted by: More like it but not....., Cl
Yah, I forgot Babs- how could I!
But, they did NOT play Divorce!!!!!! Bank it, book it!
You must have been flamed up good!
Divorce will likely come, but NOT at either CL sow the last two nights.
NO H Divorce so far at any show
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:10:40 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
Who sang Haitian?
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 02:06:34 ET
Posted by: Gigantic Fan, Clearwater
This is more like it. 16 songs. The show was 1 hour and 40 minutes. Great show! DF is singing his ass off!!
Time Out Mind
godwhacker
Bad Sneakers
2VN
EMG
Hey19
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Gaslighting Abby
Dirty Work
Babylon Sisters
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodit
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 01:51:42 ET
Posted by: Fire, Clearwater
Sill sizzling from it- this is not exact but very close:
Time O Mind
godwhack
Bad Sneak
2VN
EMG
Hey19
Monkey
Peg
Gaslighting
Josie
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
Black Cow
Bodit
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 01:25:29 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Enjoy your big fat joint at the beach fella, smoking with the girls upstairs the dunes.
BUT PLEASE SEND US THE COMPLETE CLEARWATER SETLIST
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 01:22:19 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Great news Gigantic! You folks
in Florida deserved a killer show.
Shades of Chumash! What was the
full set? Man I dig "Jeri". Jeff
Young is really tearing it up on
the Hammond. I can't for the life
of me understand why they didn't
sue the "Price Is Right" people.
It's a dead rip-off. Here's to
2 set Casino shows and of course,
a West Coast swing!
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:43:46 ET
Posted by: Gigantic Fan, Huge
Clearwater 2 was fantastic. I'm going out to the beach now to smoke a big fat joint.... EMG, Haitian, Godwhacker, Babylon, BLACK COW as an encore!!!!!!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!
God bless D&W for mixing up the setlist. It really makes a difference to those of us that either go to multiple shows or go to a few shows every tour (and there's a lot more of us than you think!)
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:26:42 ET
Posted by: new songs?,
any second night clearwater reviews???
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:18:18 ET
Posted by: Mr. La Page, in the Den
films are showing. or something.
Date: Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:07:06 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
I want to book tickets for Japan.
Can anyone read/translate Japanese?
I've looked at the website and used an online translator and gathered that tickets go onsale on June 15th, but I can't find anything that explains how to book.
Any help or ideas would be appreciated.
Thankyou.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 21:05:55 ET
Posted by: lawgator, did not go to clearwater
I was just looking over the list of shows and it finally struck me that the Yahel group is slated with them for all U.S. shows except for the first couple and then all BUT the casino shows.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 20:47:33 ET
Posted by: acs, op fl
may 12 orlando setlist??
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 20:20:39 ET
Posted by: tarheeldanfan, Raleigh
any suggestions for Danfest location before June 8th show at ntelos pavilion in Portsmouth? If not there then across the river?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 18:41:27 ET
Posted by: dude, @surf
Is there gonna be california shows after June 13??
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 15:26:22 ET
Posted by: lawgator, musing
Danfans headed to Clearwater tonight:
I'm sort of sitting here last minute thinking of going over to the show. Anyone got an extra single ticket? I don't know. Its a hike but I might be just nuts enough to go.
LG
P.S. I hope this counts as last second enough to be posted in the right place.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 15:13:25 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood
What happened to Chicago? I was thinking about going, like I did last year to St. Louis? Oh, man.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 15:05:36 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Clearwater setlist?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 15:05:02 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Could it be that Steely Dan has leaked a show before Steely Dan said it was okay?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 14:53:42 ET
Posted by: chris, work
Deacon, thanks for that review, it really sounds like he gets it.
Don and Walt are in a difficult poisiton with these shows, I think, as it's obvious that the crowd on the whole doesn't respond to the newer stuff, but the crowd felt the same way when Miles stopped playing Freddie Freeloader two years after Kind of Blue came out, and he did pretty well for himself in the 60s and 70s. A lot of people didn't get it, and a lot of people stopped coming to his shows, but his priority was the music, not the ticket sales.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 14:47:29 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The Chicago date has disappeared from SD.com
Maybe it will come back. Maybe not.
Jim
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 14:44:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Befuddled in St Augustine Beach
Haven't we already established the song is Jeri by Gerald Wilson...and NOT the Price is Right Theme Song?
Thought So.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 14:09:13 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer and Craig,
Who are these people?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 13:50:32 ET
Posted by: J.J. Putz,
Wanny- "sucking balls"? Tell us some of your problems sir.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 13:00:55 ET
Posted by: Wanny, 123
Bob, that'd work, except for the fact that Steve Miller sucks balls.
JJ, having women issues?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:38:20 ET
Posted by: J.J. Putz, Scoop
Connie - Yes, Rosie O'Dykell is taking his place.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:36:39 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Answer: Bob Barker is retiring this year?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:32:42 ET
Posted by: Bob Barker,
Alvin - I think that's self explanatory.
Maybe instead of "the price is right" theme they could have asked Steve Miller if they could use "Take The Money and Run" as the opening song instead. Same thing.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:32:15 ET
Posted by: Wanny, 123
Nothing ambiguous about it, as far as I can tell.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:24:02 ET
Posted by: Alvin Avaricious,
Danfansters Awaken!
Did you ever really wonder why SD chose to play the theme song from "The Price Is Right" show?
What might the possible connotive/ambiguous meanings be behind it?
AA
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 12:14:44 ET
Posted by: Clearwater ROCKED!!, FLA
Kind Spirit says " Wow. A reviewer gets it, but alleged die-hard fans don't. Wow. '
That "reviewer" wasn't at the Hollywood and Ft Myers shows.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 11:29:43 ET
Posted by: Godfather of Gansta Polka, New Jersey
Tickets available for May 22 show at the Beacon. Contact edhorch@gmail.com
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 10:36:11 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Lonnie the Kingpin will be in attendance for the final night of the Euro tour in Lucca, Italia! Cannot wait. Ciao.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 10:01:40 ET
Posted by: feagans, st pete, FL
I saw both the Orlando and Clearwater shows. Both were outstanding and nobody mailed in anything. The difference was at the HR in Orlando everyone was walking around. In Clearwater everyone was in their seats, eyes and ears glued to the performances. What an ideal venue, about 2500 seats with perfect acoustics. Not a note was lost where I sat.
The set list was the same except they added "Godwhackers." I have read the complaints about the list but I thought it was a good mix of old and new. I never thought I would hear TVN live and Bad Sneakers, Caves and Abbie were treats.
I thought the two Walters shined in their solos. And if there is a harder working better drummer than Carlock, I've never seen him. The vocals were crisp and clear. Donald and Walter traded solos on Time Out of Mind and you could tell they were into it.
It was the 10th time I have seen them and it was right up there with the best. I will leave it to the rest of you to argue. Just my opinion.
Oh and I got to meet Pete Fogel.
feagans
st pete, fl
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 09:59:40 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Rajah for the post on your love of SD and Dean & Doc for Carolynn tip. They smoothed out my day!
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 09:16:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Florida Cyberspace
Which of you bastards (i mean that in the endearing sense) wrote this:
Punk Muzak?: Royally Scammed by Steely Dan Fandom and Smooth Rock
http://www.jenterysayers.com/2007/05/550
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 08:36:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoo-ray, Steely Dan.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 08:14:42 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Where the hell are you Clearwater guys with your review ???
Here's today's review off "The tampa Tribune"
CLEARWATER - Steely Dan's return to touring has been a mixed blessing, at least around here. The band's meticulously constructed jazz-pop needs more intimacy and better acoustics than can be provided by an outdoor amphitheater or a hockey arena.
Small wonder, then, that Steely Dan's Monday night show at Ruth Eckerd Hall sold out almost immediately when tickets went on sale in March. A second performance, which is tonight, was quickly added.
It was an opportunity to see the duo - Walter Becker and Donald Fagen - and its crack backing musicians in a venue in which every note could shine through.
Many if not most numbers were extended to allow for plenty of solo space, beginning with opener "Time Out of Mind," which saw Becker and Fagen trading licks on guitar and melodica, respectively.
Becker and Jon Herington made for a wonderful guitar duo. Becker's thin, piercing runs contrasted with Herington's fat-toned leads. Herington's solos on "Peg" and "Aja" in particular were things of awe-inspiring beauty.
It was hardly a greatest hits show - "Deacon Blues," which got the most shout-outs from the crowd (at least on my row) wasn't in the set. And some in the audience seemed to get restive when the title track from 2000's "Two Against Nature" was followed by another from the same album, "Janie Runaway."
But the selection made sense, especially when followed by "Hey Nineteen," like "Janie" one of Fagen's odes to girls of questionable morals.
Some older numbers appeared in new form. Becker sang an all but unrecognizable "Monkey in Your Soul" (from 1974's "Pretzel Logic") while "Dirty Work" was shared by backing vocalists Carolyn Leonhart-Escoffery and Cindy Mizelle.
"The Caves of Altamira" was a pleasant surprise although "Bad Sneakers" made one long to hear its "Katy Lied" companion, "Doctor Wu," as well.
"Josie," "Aja" and "Kid Charlemagne" made for a thrilling climax before the encore, which included "Countdown to Ecstasy" favorites.
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 07:27:48 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @ home
Another show added.
Jun 27 - Auditorium Theater - Chicago IL | on sale 5/21
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 07:14:08 ET
Posted by: Kind Spirit,
Wow. A reviewer gets it, but alleged die-hard fans don't. Wow.
A sign of the apocolypse?
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 05:05:05 ET
Posted by: Enrico Rava, Italy
The show the Guys are doing in Italy is in a town called Lucca, open air in a place called Piazza Napoleone...maybe they'll do Pretzel Logic there..can't wait to see them (for only my second time)
Date: Tues, May 15, 2007, 01:41:35 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path
Steely Dan Shines At Ruth Eckerd Hall
http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBJFU4UP1F.html
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 22:07:07 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, fl room
the Sam Yahel set was 35 mins in Orlando.
they were good. did a jazzy take on Norwegian Wood.
this is a great gig for these cats. good for them.
would i have preferred 35 mins more Steely Dan...? beside the point.
and just so we're clear:
"Jeri"(Gerald Wilson, 1961) and "The Price is Right Theme"(Edd Kalehoff, 1972) are two different songs.
i've always liked the Price theme. I even play it on guitar. now i know what it was partially based on. leave it to Don & Walt to dig that one up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJop8AX-DU
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 21:16:12 ET
Posted by: Whoaaaa!,
Or strictly platonic.
Or not so strictly play tonic.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 21:11:46 ET
Posted by: Whoaaaa!,
Whoaaa! Talk about life being stranger than a Steely Dan song!
It sounds like Carolyn and Michael's marriage is kinky deluxe.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 20:41:12 ET
Posted by: an answer,
They are brother and sister.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 20:39:59 ET
Posted by: question,
Is Carolyn Leonhart-Escoffrey married to Michael Leonhart?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:58:30 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Could some of you chill with the name calling and 'tude?
It's pretty bad when I dread visiting my own guestbook.
And please: unless it's a within hours of a show with last minute tickets for sale, please don't post here...send to digest at Dandom dot com. Better yet, please send to the Dandom list associated with the particular concert.
Thanks.
Jim
The guy who maintains this place and pays your way here.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:42:24 ET
Posted by: Did You Put The D In Dumb?,
>>still think you need to get a life this steely dan fetish of your is childish and annoying, but your evidently to stupid to know it<<
-shoeshiner
Maybe you just don't get it. If you are in fact actually let's say, "Slow" or "Special", then please except my apologies. Though you do seem to have a grasp of this "Internet" and "Computer" thing. Then again some folks are entertained for hours by "shiny things".
Duh. We all here have a Steely Dan fetish. It's a freaking Steely Dan fansite you half-wit. WE like our Steely Dan tied up, whipped, with chains or in a submissive pose. We'll take our Steely Dan ANYWAY we can get it. You are in the wrong place my pedestrian friend. You promised us you were going away. So be a man and keep your promise. Nighty, night sweetie.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:38:34 ET
Posted by: tom,
Hey, silverbowlshiner
You wrote; " but your evidently to stupid to know it "
You shouldn't call someone else stupid if you can't spell correctly.
"your" should have been a contraction for " you are", properly spelled you're ; and "to stupid" addresses something to stupid. It should have been "too stupid" .
Just thought you'd be interested in knowing.
Your friend in Steely Dan.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:24:24 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, g'ville, fla
ok you win, your a bigger fan than I
*simulates masturbation gesture*
still think you need to get a life
this steely dan fetish of your is childish and annoying, but your evidently to stupid to know it
"they played Aja at the so and so you non-fan"
who gives a fuck?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 18:24:25 ET
Posted by: Mule75, Philly
Looking for a single for 6/11 Beacon or possibly a pair for 6/13. Anyone have any extree?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 18:14:59 ET
Posted by: angel,
Wormy asks: "Why is the Dan playing Toledo Zoo?"
Cause they couldn't play at Washington Zoo? :-)
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 18:10:23 ET
Posted by: Joey,
Rajah ...........................
" ...They have continued to be one of the brightest stars in my firmament all these years, I bore everyone I know about them incessently, to think that they would maybe just give up and become another cog in the wheel would devastate me. I'm just not that strong and resilient anymore. I'm getting old. It's Steely Dan till I puke, I'm afraid, and I live and die with them. Godhelpme. "
I would like to nuzzle you
Joey !
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 18:06:49 ET
Posted by: What A Glutton For Punishment-, Do Your 'Research' Before You Spout Bone Head
More dribblings from the shoe shiner -
>>to the fella with no life who keeps harping on my every word- the "aja" excitement was because they hadn't played it on this tour yet<<
WRONG AGAIN GENIUS. "Aja" was played magnificently at Friant and Chumash. I know, I know you are asking poorly informed self, "What is Friant and Chumash"? Those were the first two shows of the Heavy Roller 2007 tour.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 17:53:09 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, g'ville, fla
to the fella with no life who keeps harping on my every word- the "aja" excitement was because they hadn't played it on this tour yet and you swore the setlist wasn't going to change... remember??
I never said they've never played it before.
you keep up the Don and Walt stats and Walt may pee on you
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 17:52:24 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
"Time Out of Mind
Bad Sneakers
TvN
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Gaslighting Abbie
Peg
Caves of Altamira
Monkey in Your Soul
Josie
Dirty Work
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
encore:
My Old School
Bodhisattva "
Very good setlist from Orlando. A bit like the 2000 tour.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 17:48:33 ET
Posted by: wormy, nowhere
if Carolyn is the Sue/Charles offspring
I've met her at the Five Spot
think - tall Nora Jonesish
stunning - must be in her early 30's
I've been scoping late U.S. tour shows to travel to
looks like 2nd shows are going fast and the Beacon has been long sold out
why is the Dan playing Toledo Zoo?
Don and Walt - two more songs
with Aja having a long instrumental break to give the voice a lift
would make it feel less of a "gotta go, nap time" sellout
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 17:19:44 ET
Posted by: razorboy,
"In other news, if anyone is wondering what Skunk is up to when not consulting for the U.S. Military, here he is with guitar in hand sitting in with a DC-area band called "Beats Workin" whose members include one Tony Snow"
How could a seemingly fairly nice guy like Snow work for a drug addled, dry drunken, frat rat skank like the chimperor. And what the hell happened to skunk, anyway? Is the skunk a skank, also?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 16:49:05 ET
Posted by: Bill again,
Rats, somebody beat me to it.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 16:48:26 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Re "Carolyn" - My guess is that it's a Mingus song, named after his daughter. (Thanks to Google and Amazon for that bit of research)
Further Mingus/Carolyn connection revealed by Google in a piece on SD's own Carolyn's wedding:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9404E6D81038F932A35751C0A9629C8B63
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 16:28:57 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Thanks Dean. I never thought this was possible, but 5 shows in and Chumash is still holding up as one of the better shows of the Heavy Rollers Tour so far and that was in January! Great set list, small venue with one of the best sound rigs in the business, Walter doing Haitian and the Hey 19 break. Why are they holding back from throwing some solo Donald in?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 16:13:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Still St Augustine
You can hear a snippet of "Jeri" here:
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fjfixqesld6e
and "Carolyn" here:
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hpfpxqeald0e
I'm sure there are other versions of both songs on allmusic.com.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 16:06:30 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Milio:
I'm pretty sure Carolyn is a Charles Mingus tune.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 15:57:09 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Rajah,
I think i've the same problem. I never was so disapoint this last week about the start of the Heavy Rollers tour. A ridicule short setlist, one that really sucks.
But there's one big problem. I'm addicted to those two extraterestrials. Donald and Walter are evil and they caught my soul.
So what a fuck !! 15 songs isn't much but i need those 15 ones to survive. Their music dominates my life. There is nothing better than that.
Just like you said rajah, i live with them and i will die with that outstanding music.
So if you come to Europe (Lucca?) we will drink a very good one to our herous.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 15:54:01 ET
Posted by: The Onion, Clearwater
Thanks soundman...you fucking pretz
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 15:52:18 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Donald premiered "Any World" at the tour opener at Summerfest last year. It was unceremoniously dropped. And Jeff Young sang it beautifully at Soboba and San Diego. Three times by my count.
Questions,
"Who wrote the closer, 'Carolyn'?"
"Who is attributed with the most famous version?"
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 15:46:57 ET
Posted by: Sound man, .
Before the show.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 15:30:06 ET
Posted by: The Onion, Clearwater, FL
Does anyone know when soundcheck is for tonights show?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 14:58:15 ET
Posted by: stdan,
Carolyn is the outro. It's a jazzy number to accompany your dissapointment that they did not play a little longer.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 14:50:06 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Odds & Ends:
Yes, Any World was done a couple times last year, including at least once when Jeff Young took the lead vocal. New arrangement, verses over a reggae beat.
Gaucho and My Rival have never been done live to my knowledge. This is the "heavy rollers" tour after all, so bust it out, guys. Generate a few co-author royalty bucks for Keith Jarrett while your at it.
In other news, if anyone is wondering what Skunk is up to when not consulting for the U.S. Military, here he is with guitar in hand sitting in with a DC-area band called "Beats Workin" whose members include one Tony Snow:
http://beatsworkinvirginia.com/_wsn/page3.html
That scanned Orlando set is interesting. Was this the 6th show of the tour or does "Steely Set #6" have any deeper meaning? Also, is "Carolyn" an instrumental the band does at the end as an outtro or is it some reference to Ms. Leonhart-Escoffery? I have now figured out that "Jeri" is the Price is Right theme.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 13:27:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I'm So Glad
Very, very heartening to hear your reports of Orlando. Jesu, thank goodness. AJA is a stone cold classic and should be played every night. West of Hollywood is golden, where is it, Donald; Abby is so slinky. Black Cow, holy crap, has there ever been a better rhythm track fashioned? TOOM same thing, when KC fires up the kickdrum and Jon hits that tonic, my pericardium jumps. I don't know bout chy'all but it would be a small personal tragedy for me if I ever thought these guys were giving up or mailing it in. That would hurt, I like to think I choose carefully, except for chicks of course, I like to tell myself I know what's good. I know what is just cheap and tawdry and except for that little blonde Julianne on Dancing With the Stars, I avoid it, I choose my literature and general entertainment very carefully, maybe it's just my own pride here talkin but Godddam, these motherfuckin guys can't let me down. They have continued to be one of the brightest stars in my firmament all these years, I bore everyone I know about them incessently, to think that they would maybe just give up and become another cog in the wheel would devastate me. I'm just not that strong and resilient anymore. I'm getting old. It's Steely Dan till I puke, I'm afraid, and I live and die with them. Godhelpme.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:14:37 ET
Posted by: Tampa Ted, Tampa, Fl
Tampa Fan- Nice try but Ezra Titus hates Steely Dan. ET is a head banger that would much rather be zonked out at a Heavy Metal concert.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:59:59 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Hey StDan
What did Carolyn sing to close it out at HR Orlando ?
Thanks
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:17:43 ET
Posted by: As Bugs Bunny Would Say -, What A Maroon!!!!!!
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, back from orlando
to the numbnut who called me a moron al I have to say is
WE GOT AJA!! so bite me
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You got Aja? Dude, you might want to do a little research before you go spouting off on a web site about a band YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. Aja is hardly a deep cut. It was played at EVERY show last year and I believe at EVERY show in 2003. It even makes an appearance on AIA.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:08:18 ET
Posted by: woh, soon
Happy Birthday
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 09:44:18 ET
Posted by: stdan,
Hard Rock Orlando is not a casino, dipshite. Here's the stage setlist:
http://home.earthlink.net/~asc60/images/SD_Orlando_SetList_051207.pdf
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 09:36:50 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of the Tower®
...a couple quick questions:
- how long is the Sam Yahel set?
- how long after they finish until SD takes the stage?
- haven't heard anyone comment on Jeff Young...maybe he could do vocals on a tune and give DF a rest...
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 08:50:03 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Sorry, it's the danish MTV website. For the fun of it i tried to search Steely Dan. And to my surprise Cousin Dupree showed up. Well, it wasn't a video, but the live performance from the PBS special.
I really love Walters playing, but as is the case with wayne Krantz, his playing may not be that suited for live gigs. Herington you get immediately, but Walter is so subtle.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 08:19:09 ET
Posted by: Ravin' Location: HCM Trail, Oh, no, not there!
Right, "the MTV Overdrive Network is not currently available in our area." Without a doubt Dr. Becker is not accepting new patients at this time. On that note, one of the things that distinguishes him as virtuoso, in my ear hole, is that any instrument he picks up, well this cannot be verified, well, he gives it a voice. From my limited vantage point, that voice is shy and a bit reserved, but it speaks music theory virtuosity (thus MTV).
While voyuering on the net this morning (clear throat), I saw a really great pic from St. Al on the Steely Dan webring. The girls seemed to be doing the swag (a new dance) and the maestros were loose and mingling, the lighting seemed correct with lots of blue and green [oh, I must not forget my emerald earrings that Peg gave me for Christmas, thx], everyone was fluid and the jam, well, the main thing, I suppose is to do like everyone else does. Sell everyone's CDs. Pair up, triple up, single up, hey, it's a love fest all night long before you know it. [They're gonna kick me out of church.]
Give 'em hell. Hugs, j&j dits
Hey, Whyno. Sorry for the [sic] moniker earlier. Going to any shows? Razz razz razz ;>--~~ (that's a bird smoking a cigar) later, have a blessed day again.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 05:38:10 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Steely dan at MTV, what a surprise. I Love watchin Walter play. Wonder what is going through his mind...
http://www.mtv.dk/overdrive.php?StoryId=116&action=search&keyword=steely+dan
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:53:42 ET
Posted by: cool,
I really enjoyed that, and I have trouble dealing with the girls singing on Dirty Work.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:46:06 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Yep, but haven't actually heard the entire album yet. Is it good?
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:37:36 ET
Posted by: TJ (again!), seen and heard and read this?
http://pergunnareriksson.se/cover57.htm
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:32:31 ET
Posted by: TJ looking for Sara & Rebecka, Got a credit card?
"Fire In The Hole" Sara Isaksson & Rebecka Törnqvist:
Living in Scandinavia or the European Union? You can order it here: http://www.cdon.com/
Living someplace else? Then try: http://www.skivhugget.com/
Or email me and we'll take it from there.
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:30:54 ET
Posted by: npr,
SD audio interview from NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1383222
There's a funny Confessions episode with W&D on the EMG website
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 03:17:29 ET
Posted by: Nidstang,
Most people are only going to one show and have never heard of "The Bluebook", so for them (who represent 96.75 percent of ticketholders) the setlist isn't a disappointment.
6 nights in Tokyo and Osaka. The Japanese love their Steely Dan!
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 01:20:30 ET
Posted by: stuff from carlock,
hey guys,
i just discovered Keith Carlock's website and have spent the past couple hours reading through his forums. Specifically, I was reading his responses in the STEELY DAN forum, and he said how the tunes "GAUCHO"!!!!!! "My Rival" and "ANY WORLD THAT I'M WELCOME TO"!!!!!! were rehearsed during the 2006 summer tour (was Any World ever played on that tour). They also happened to be some of the tunes he wanted to play (AND WE WANT TO HEAR).
Just thought that was interesting and gave the future some hope ;).
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 00:44:54 ET
Posted by: Raven, Security Check Point
Read the terms on your ticket idiot. Go ahead and break the law; you just messed up. ho hum. Yawn. :>~
Date: Mon, May 14, 2007, 00:05:24 ET
Posted by: TJ fan, thanks
Thank you
Fire in the Hole – Sara Isaksson & Rebecca Törnqvist
Now how the heck does a person get a copy?????
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 23:07:15 ET
Posted by: The Onion, Tampa Bay
I'm going to both shows in Clearwater, and Pablo Escobar and I will be taping both nights. So as soon as I get home I will post the setlist.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 22:25:21 ET
Posted by: Tampa Fan, Tampa, where else?
Given that Donald's stepson (Ezra Titus) lives in Tampa, maybe the shows here will have a little extra "juice". At the least, I don't think there will be any "phoning it in" at Eckerd Hall in Clearwater (for those who don't know, it is part of the Tampa Bay area) Monday and Tuesday nights. I'm going both nights and I'll post my impressions after each concert.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 22:03:32 ET
Posted by: Shark deVille, FL room
not sure about the order on this, but the songs were:
opening tune
Time Out of Mind
Bad Sneakers
TvN
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Gaslighting Abbie
Peg
Caves of Altamira
Monkey in Your Soul
Josie
Dirty Work
Aja
Kid Charlemagne
encore:
My Old School
Bodhisattva
closing tune
a really good show. i was a little disappointed with only one set, but they did have the organ trio opening up. everyone played real well, and seemed to be having fun up there. Donald was really reprazentin' on that melodica.
was hoping for a few more surprises in the setlist. i resisted the urge to look at the spoilers before last night. it was really great to hear the TvN and Abbie... and the tour is still young i suppose.
just wish these guys would kick down something crazy, but it is a quality setlist for sure.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 21:38:30 ET
Posted by: dan duse, ddd
You know waht really sucks to hear that the ORL show was so rockin, yet Fort Myers ($150/tic) was basically the band going through the motions...why can't a band of SD caliber put on a killer show every night, or at least something close to killer if they aren't feeling great or whatever...I feel kind of ripped off, and don't have the $$ to go hit a bunch of shows, hoping to hit that "great one" yuck
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 21:20:16 ET
Posted by: lawgator, aja
Guys, on the Orlando setlist, I did not take notes but can tell you that I was sort of ticking off in my mind as they went through it and it was the same, it seemed, as Hollywood except for Gaslighting Abbey and Aja, and no Black Cow. Also, they did not start with TvN. Wish I could give you more details, but I was grooving and not keeping track that closely. My apologies.
What I can say is that the show totally rocked and that if you can catch this tour, you need to go. Period.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 20:27:51 ET
Posted by: sf, nj
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/BreakingNews/tire051207.htm
May 12, 2007
Quick response to fire saves tire store inventory
STAFF REPORT
DAYTONA BEACH - A blaze erupted in the rear of a Holly Hill hubcap and tire store, sending plumes of billowing smoke across busy Nova Road.
Firefighters from several agencies were called to the Hubcap House just north of 15th Street shortly after 7 p.m., said Ed Brown, Holly Hill fire spokesman. Employee Dennis Bragg could only shake his head and snap photos with his cell phone as flames spewed from the roof of the building.
"The owner hadn't taken a vacation in two years," he said. "Tonight, he goes to Orlando to see a Steely Dan concert and this happens."
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 20:19:19 ET
Posted by: Hard Rock Mgmt, Orlando
To all those asking for the Orlando set list:
It's a secret. All attendees were forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement to be enforced my Casino Mgmt and "staff" - got it?
Sorry for the inconvenience, but there are many opportunities to enhance your life on our High Roller casino floor and gift shop.
We suggest looking forward to the Clearwater shows - after you have spilled some cold cash at our casino and gift shop.
We do not regret the inconvenience, but look forward to seeing you again at Hard Rock Live.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 20:13:20 ET
Posted by: sfan, nj
Usually news.google.com can pull up concert reviews, but not on this tour so far.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 19:21:43 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, TPC
Please post the Orlando set list.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 18:13:57 ET
Posted by: dan duse, ftm
does anyone have the actual setlist from last night, there is no accurate post....????
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 17:25:42 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Fire in the Hole – Sara Isaksson & Rebecca Törnqvist
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 17:10:37 ET
Posted by: I forgot, help please
What is the name of the 2 women (band?) from northern Europe who did covers of Steely on their CD?
Thank You,
I forgot
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 17:05:29 ET
Posted by: Another Hardcore Fan, touring
Amen!
The band finally got through the buzz and produced electricity. I guess they were just gaslighting those of us who went to the prior shows. The real Steely Dan showed up in Orlando and blistered through a set that left no real room for complaints.
If you were bored then you had tickets to the wrong band. Orlando '07 was about as good as it gets for live Steely Dan. Another vet danfan said that of the 60 -70 SD shows he's seen this was in the top five.
I've seen so many I can't rate any one show that closely, but this was SD giving it all to the fans.
If all the prior shows "sucked", Orlando was certainly sweet redemption!
Can't wait for the Clearwater double shows. Mixed set lists???
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 16:54:54 ET
Posted by: meh,
I can understand how dumb my comment came off as- and I'll take all the crap for it. BUT, as masterpiecy as Aja is, I would take most of SD's catalogue over it. And trust me, I get it.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 16:12:29 ET
Posted by: Bob,
The Dean- That was a very stupid thing that guy said about Aja. Some people just don't get it.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 16:05:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Back in St Augustine Beach
I just read, possibly, the single dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum:
"Aja shouldn't be anything to get too excited about. They've played it practically almost every tour."
Wow! SO, they play the song every tour, so you shouldn't get too excited about hearing a MASTERPIECE executed flawlessly. You may call yourself a SD fan, but I don't consider you one.
Every time I go to the Louvre, the fucking Mona Lisa is STILL there. Nothing to get too excited about.
Well, as you weren't there, let me school you. i was there and Aja was everything to get VERY excited about.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 15:47:32 ET
Posted by: Josey, Back on St. Simons
Absolutely great time at the HR in Orlando last night! This body needs a few days of alcohol free rest!
Lawgator - great to finally meet you and the others and thanks so much for organizing the fest there at Margaritaville! We're still cracking up over Patrick's pants.
Only thing I'd add about the show that hasn't been covered was how Carlock took what Ricky Lawson did with Gaslighting and made it sound even better!! And what Lawson did was so damn in the pocket it was already sick! Carlock is a blast to watch. The band was tighter than a gnats ass! Venue was spectacular...it was all good.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 15:40:18 ET
Posted by: meh,
you're just desensitized.
Aja shouldn't be anything to get too excited about. They've played it practically almost every tour.
As for TAN and Gaslighting, ok cool, they're reaching a tiny bit deeper into the catalogue. But I won't be impressed until they pull songs like Almost Gothic and West of Hollywood from their new albums. TAN and Gaslighting are the DOA and Josie of the their new stuff, Almost and West are the Gaucho and Glamour Profession of their new stuff.
The point still remains that the vast majority of the show is the same stuff from last year and the last year. And paying 100+ to be bored half the time is a bummer.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 14:18:43 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
Now, where were we?
OK, we got TvN and Gaslighting, two of my all-time favorits "new" songs on record which have NEVER been in the regular lineup, and both are rather on the musically-complex side, Thats not what a coasting, oldies-oriented act does. Plus Caves, a rarely played semi-deep cut that crowds and aficionados both love. Then they just casually haul out Aja as if it was a Chuck Berry cover or something. (Yeah, I know, the same band played it every night last year, but it's still probably the single most challenging tune in their book). Yeah, I'll tatke this as encouraging. Gaslighting to me was so dependent on Tom Barney's recorded bassline that I'd really like to hear how Freddie Waschington approached it. Have they ever done that one live other than for the "Plush" taping.
I have always loved Walter's Bodhi outro solo, maybe he was having an off night. He usually seems to do some clever, bop-ish lines over that great cyclical chort pattern (Eb maj7>A7>Dm>F6 repeat) which I consider more creative than Skunk's recorded, rock-oriented solo, and it's different every time. I heard they vamp on the ending this year after D&W leave the stage, which I'm not sure how that would work. Does someone else take a solo after Walter's?
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 12:02:54 ET
Posted by: Grog, New York
New to this site...throughly enjoying all the posts....die hard Dan Fan since mid 70's......have the pleasure of seeing them for the 5th time, on Fri in Ct 3rd row ctr...spoiled with seeing them, have to be close!...nothing like the Dan in concert..nothing.spiritual in nature for me...I saw them in 93 front row, and yes back then they played a much longer set.....I will however take 15 songs..15 songs live with the Dan is practically better than anything else..taking my bros for their first show, they will be amazed!....in a perfect world I would love no more peg,bat..etc...please please some Wu,night,aja,dtmalive.......finally thanks for all the reviews an set lists
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 12:01:12 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, kidzville
And an upturn in attitude.
Ok, so while we're at it, after last weekend's thriller ("Bad Sneakers") the next request is "Blues Beach." The 15 year-old plays that a lot on I-tunes and, really, it was one of our first glimpses into EMG, lo those many years ago.
I'm with SueDave.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 10:30:35 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Glad to see an upturn in the set list
Could someone please post the latest one in its entirety - please
Richard
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 10:15:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
PS. Happy Mother's Day
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 10:14:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Wormy or any Orlando
What did SD have Carolyn do? Wormy mentioned dropping her and Jeri.
Thanks
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 09:42:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Sobering up in Orlando
First, thanks to Kyle for the primo 1st row seat.
Just a couple additions to what's already been discussed:
I sat right in front of Fagen, and I didn't get "bored" from his demeanor. He seemed very into his playing and singing last night.
As has been mentioned, the band was on fire and the set list was first-class, IMO. Of course it could have/should have been longer...but I certainly didn't feel "cheated" by any means.
Walter sounded great, and he is giutar work is always improving. it is particular solid in the newer songs. It was great to here him sing Monkey.
Carlock is a monster, Young and the gals sounded better than ever, Washington was solid, as always. The horn section played less of a role than usual, last night, but they were GREAT when they contributed.
I was told the sound up front might not be great...it was great. Dunno bout the rest of the house.
Here's my one minor nit to pick (quite minor...but I'll pick it anyway). Herrington played great but wasn't mixed loud enough, IMO. Mayber that's because I was in front of Donald and too close to hear the real mix. But, I've always felt him to be too softly mixed for the Dan.
Oh...another, related, minor nit: Walter played the "outro" solo of Bodi. Not the best choice, IMO. I think that's the only assignment mistake they made all night.
Anyway, I glad to hear there aren't many complaints from last night. If so, I'd have to wonder about you guys.
OH...I thought Sam Yahel Trio was great and plan to check out their CD, and see them in a smaller venue. I was pretty impressed and thought they were a good choice for the Dan.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 09:22:34 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Happy Mothers Day!!
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 08:37:53 ET
Posted by: lawgator, The morning after
Good morning Dudes and Dudettes:
The setlist has been reported on below. Obviously, getting Gaslighting Abbey and Aja were real treats for us here in Orlando. I am no musician, don't pretend to be, but having heard them now for the fourth time I felt that they were MUCH tighter this time than any other. The HR is better acousitcally than the other places I've been to and particularly better than an outside venue.
The girls were really something else and the vocals (for them and for Fagen) were just the right mix with the music. I kind of felt like they stole the show a little and they were strong!
Carlock wails. Walter seemed in a groove, if perhaps a little tired. I saw someone post that DF seemed bored as he turned the charts between songs. I didn't feel that way, but I was second row balcony and maybe you got a closer look. When playing the melodica, he moved around pretty good, IMHO. The horns were their usual outstanding selves, Herrington was unobtrusive but dead on, and Washington's bass was perfectly mixed.
My only complaints would be no Black Cow (hey, what are you gonna do, can't play everything), the relatively short setlist (thought they could do maybe 2 more and it would have seemed like a "fuller" show), and I did not much care for Yahel. Its not that Yahel is bad or un-entertaining (is that a word?). Just that its more free-form type jazz and I'm just one of the regular masses that likes a beginning, a middle, and an end. I would say, as reported however by others, that his drummer is quite energetic.
I also want to extend a personal thanks to all who came out to the Danfest. I'm terrible with names so forgive me everyone whose moniker I forgot, but it was great to meet Mr. Josey (that's his real name -- I figure he changed it to that in honor of...), Tim, Rich, Amanda (her second show in two nights), Andy, Beth, John, Betsy, etc., etc. I'd say we had about 20 people there, including a couple of faces from last year, which was nice. Everyone was so pleasant and upbeat and it was the perfect quick meet and greet before heading over.
To those who are going to catch them a little later in the tour, you are in for a treat. There are legitimate criticisms to be made, of course, but they are just so far ahead of every other band out there that when they start up and you let the music wash over you, those gripes really just seem so petty at that moment.
LG
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 08:03:34 ET
Posted by: Ravin', Location: In the Fog
RJ: Morning becomes you. Hey, mission accomplished while you played prom dad. They oughta name a _____ after you. Thanks for the ditto rescue, friend of animals. We're gonna give you a nuggie and buy you a gelato at the windding.
But gads, to get tix I had to sacrifice my cell phone in Berlin last night, but only temporarily; and I had to jazz someone behind the bar, but only temporarily; and, geez, this news on this blessed day should be interesting. Geez, what we have to do to stay beautiful. haha
Now stay away from those spoilers; we don't want to contaminate our fur-covered paws now do we, or in my case, my bird feet. And another thing, who was that individual during the DF tour who said s/he'd pay just about anything to see Donald play the pickle jar or something along those lines?
Hey on concert night before we throw up (yes, heard there was an order for 'shrooms, shhhhh, be very very quiet about this), let's get Yvonne to bring the hula hoop and Wino to bring the kazoo, and maybe we'll do the electric slide during intermission.
And and and maybe during Aja we can start a few fights (Nah, just kidding). Then at the end, we can help the clean-up crew clean up or jazz up the place, ugh I mean, pick up trash. haha.
Hey, on Memorial Day weekend we can even sleep on the beach--go ahead and cancel those resi's. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! later, you nut lover
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 07:21:24 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Price Might Be Right
Glad to hear the energy level was up at Hard Rock! But I'm still concerned about the length. I'll take any tunes they want but man would I love a 2 set show with an intermission. Spent a small fortune but I had to - this may be the last go-round I figure. Maybe I can win at blackjack in AC - yeah, right.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 06:59:23 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
"they did Gaslighting Abby and Aja, and dropped Green Earrings and Do It Again."
And also Caves!!!
Grrrrrrreat
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 04:55:33 ET
Posted by: Hardcore Fan, !
STEELY DAN IS BACK!!!
Was at the Hollywood and Ft Myers shows. Orlando was the bomb! These guys have snapped out of their funk! I hope they can keep it up.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 02:53:11 ET
Posted by: suedave, sous chef
Maybe this is still too big of a tour to consider just sprinkling in the hits between the songs we want to hear the most. But I think that so many people hear a lot of this music while shopping without knowing who does it, people could be hearing old favorites at the shows and learning that it is the one, the one and only one, Steely Dan. So go for it guys! Introduce them to your music, music by Steely Dan. Or consider an idea of theme based shows that goes something like this.
Swinging show - Dupree, Slang, Security Joan, New Frontier, Only a Fool would say that, Boston Rag, and so on
Groovin' - Godwhacker, YGT, Monkey in your soul, The Fez, Josie, Cringemaker, hard up case, etc
Cool/chillin' - Green Book, Almost Gothic, King of the world, YGT, Wu, Gaucho, Girlfriend, Lunch w/Gina, yadda yadda
Cracks me up to hear some of you whine about DIA & Bodhi - I want them to stay! We've had Aja for the last several tours, I think its time to replace it with something new like Gaucho, Green Book or Wu; something old like Glamour Profession or DTMA, borrowed like Mis'ry & the Blues or Losing Hand (Charles Calhoun/Ray Charles). Anything blues. Must have 2VN - it is a deep cut and much appreciated. Basically it sounds like the boys have a few tricks up their sleeves and of course we welcome that here. Thanks for touring!
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 01:05:25 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, back from orlando
to the numbnut who called me a moron al I have to say is
WE GOT AJA!! so bite me
show was fantastic, crowd finally got into it after a sluggish start- for anyone who noticed the crazy woman on stage left in the SRO section near the stage, I was right behind her. She was a fantastic, lots of fun, as was the other people standing around us [except for the two girls who chatted the whole show...errr]
everyone was on top of their game, although Don looked bored as he flipped his sheet music after ever tune. He did seem to enjoy himself as the show came to a close.
One last thing- I was surprised at how well "Hey 19" comes off live, even though Don did his usual tequila bit. I didn't mind, it's all new to me.
great show, great experience, and to the fella who was an ass to me the other night- get a life already!
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 00:25:42 ET
Posted by: StDan, Orlando
Thought the show AND sound were fantastic. Crowd was lame, sitting most of the time.
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 00:24:32 ET
Posted by: tHE dEAN, iN cAPSLock Hell, ORlando
Not a small step, Raj...Whoah!
More when I'm sober...soberer
Date: Sun, May 13, 2007, 00:23:49 ET
Posted by: tHE dEAN, iN cAPSLock Hell, ORlando
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 23:48:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
A small step in the right direction...
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 23:32:20 ET
Posted by: specul8tor, Orlando
It was nice to see a few new songs in the set. As mentioned earlier, they did Gaslighting Abby and Aja, and dropped Green Earrings and Do It Again. The crowd was really into it. It was nice to see them make some changes in the setlist, hopefully more to come. Thanks Tom (Gatorlaw) for organizing the Danfest, it was fun.
Kevin
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 23:21:35 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Florida
Just got back from the Orlando show. It was a COMPLETE turnaround from the Hollywood show. My phone deleted the setlist I had written down, but they opened with Time out of Mind, then Bad Sneakers and then 2vN, followed by Janie Runaway. No Black Cow in this show. Did a lot of the same until they got to Caves! The crowd went crazy. Then they played Gaslighting Abbie - what a pleasant surprise! They did Josie with the band intros, and then...Aja! Carlock was un-freaking-believable. The crowd ate him up. He gets better every time I see him - and I just saw him on Tuesday! They "closed" with Kid C, then did the usual encore of Old School and Bodhi. The crowd was TERRIFIC. Smaller venue with standing room, so people got into it and stood and sang a lot more. Overall it was 50-100 times better than Hollywood - if not more!
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 22:57:24 ET
Posted by: moray eel, leon
Nice to see that they added the Wisconsin show, but I'm still concerned with the direction in which this band seems to be heading.
Does the future look bright?
In a few years, I'm afraid they may open there own place in Branson between the Glen Campbell and Andy Williams theatres. They could come out every night and play Hey 19, Josie and Peg and then make way for Yakov Smirnoff.
A strange course for a band that a few years ago stole all the Grammy's from Eminem.
m.e.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 22:28:03 ET
Posted by: friend of orlando,
some early spoilers:
Caves and Aja were played.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 22:18:52 ET
Posted by: wormy, still around atlanta
15 songs plus Jeri and Carolyn
really
if Don and Walt have exceeded their bedtimes
how about the following
1) take some vitamins and a damn nap
2) Walt - you can sit on that chair more during the set
3) mid set break (you can take a 15 minute second power nap
4) 1 Don solo, 1 walt solo - the other gets a 4 minute potty break
5) in a 90 minute set you must drop Jeri and Carolyn -
who do you think you are? Sinatra???
it's obvious without stating it, the band was hotso and they danced
the famous marengo
6) Aja, Black Cow, Deacon Blue, Babylon Sisters, Dr Wu and some DEEP CUTS
retire Hey 19, Peg, KC (yes KC), Green Earrings, Do It Again, My Old School
7) Insert THINGS I MISS THE MOST immediately, lather rinse, repeat
do this and I might even fly out east for a show
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 21:01:01 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Spammers must know Hoops is away or busy
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 20:43:43 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home getting ready
I went out with my daughter to do some shopping for her and some Mother’s Day shopping at a Kohl’s department store. While she’s in the dressing room, what do I hear but Don’s voice singing “It’s what I do” First time I’ve heard anything from the new one shopping. It’s so weird how many SD and DF songs are played while shopping. A coincidence that I heard this now – I don’t think so. It’s a message from above that I have to start getting ready for the two shows this week. A list of swag to buy, where are the tickets we bought back in February, what CDs are we going to list to on the drive down. These are important things that I have not been giving 100% to and I think I got my wake up call tonight.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 20:08:28 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
Damm typo's!!
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 20:07:11 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
Although there have been countless posts here for and against the cutrrent touring regime, the bottom line is probably, realistically best summed up by Steelyfez's last post.
It has been better, they're old, but hey! they're out there (unlike 1975-1992!) and my life continues to be a better place because of Mr Steely Dan.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 19:58:21 ET
Posted by: Demon Sloth,
Some guy has posted the New Orleans Ritz cracker bit on YouTube. Poor jerk--he was obviously amused by this bit and has fooled himeself into thinking he enjoyed one of these formulaic, too-short, sub-par shows. The people around him thought they were having fun, too. Dummies!
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 19:35:11 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
Haven't posted in a while. As regards to the setlists this year I feel that they are predictable and too short. These guys are no spring chickens and have a long road ahead of them thus the short concerts.
I feel the best of Steely Dan live was in 1996 and 2000. Good setlists those years and 21 song shows. I just wish they would dig a bit deeper and stop playing Josie, Green Earrings, Peg, Hey Nineteen and Bodi each tour. But I suppose we should feel fortunate that they are together and touring, considering in the 80's it was just a pipedream.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 18:36:50 ET
Posted by: Mick Seven, Philadelphia
Hi, this is my first time posting here. I myself agree with several of the posters about the setlist. However, I am going to 3 straight shows (Tower X2 + AC) and plan on enjoying myself regardless. What troubles me is with 15 songs, is this show longer than 90 minutes?
I remember 2 1/2 hours in 1996 during the Art Crime Tour. The upside for me is they will be smaller venues more suited for music than arenas and sheds, but does that justify a shorter and more scripted performance??
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 13:49:42 ET
Posted by: Newerker, DE
thx for that quickie, hoops; yea, we tried that at SD show in AC. scalpers about and the box office having few and far between singles available. maybe this ties in w/ heavy rollers theme, or something along these lines. sources say don't pack your white night gown for orlando--it was sewed up months ago. have fun at danfest lucky ones. thx for all hoops. have a blast you all :-)
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 13:48:26 ET
Posted by: 2VN, scrolling
Donald: We write and play to amuse ourselves so we hope other people can enjoy it as well, but our standards are very much self-contained so if people don't like it it's not our problem.
Donald: It may be a financial problem but not a musical problem.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 13:01:55 ET
Posted by: Raven, Beach III
May I add to my order a serving of poser mountain oysters as an aperitif?
LWO: If you don't trust a stranger, can you really catagorize her/him as a peer? Just playin' wit cha, of course.
Gotta run, lunch time. I think I'll have some Naked Juice as a main course this afternoon--perhaps that Berry Blast so I can sh*t purple on someone's car this afternoon. Ravin'
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 12:53:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
A quick one
Keep in mind that a show could be sold out but then some tickets are released from reserves kept for promotion, guests of those associated with a particular concert, etc. Two of the last three Van Morrison shows have been "Sold Out" and then I've picked up box office tickets released hours before the show.
Laters,
Jim
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 12:42:57 ET
Posted by: Murray Eel,
Does antone know where I can get an MP3 of the Bob Klein interview w/SD?
Thanks.
PS I hope SD hasn't lost the balls on this tour that we've grown to love and respect.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 12:08:39 ET
Posted by: Raven, , Beach II
Whoops, caught me with my funk down. The SD website does indeed give notice about sold out shows. I'm a playah again! hehe
Ummm. Media theorists: Art dies without $ (Levinson, P., Soft Edge). Put up or whatevah. Raven -< -< -< -<
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Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 11:54:23 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
The only way we are ever going to get "deep cuts" is if they play 22-24 songs. And that's not ever going to happen again. So it is what it is. This guy's Black Cow is that guy's Aja is this guy's Pixeleen is that guy's Dr. Wu, etc, etc etc. It could go on forever. Personally, I've chosen not to attend any shows this year. I can't justify the cost for 85 minutes of SD and that Sam Yahoo guy.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 11:32:15 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Dr. Fagen is on record stating he did take some singing lessons in the early 90s... Perhaps beyond. Whether the nodule rumor was true or not, his vocals live in 2003, 2006, and from reports 2007 > 2000.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 11:11:39 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, leave a nasty bite
Logic and reason? Oh my!
But, you know, I think the boys are probably used to this. Remember the Dead Letter Dept.? How many were attributed to "Please play XYZ" and "Why don't you ever play XXX?"
Personally, I distrust my peers.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 10:51:45 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
The Music Business has changed. No one whatsoever makes any money of selling music anymore. For a band like Steely Dan which probably still make some of the most expensive albums in the world, that means they come out with a shortfall every single time they make an album. That was the case with Morph and certainly will be with Walters new one.
Touring is where the money is today! And if Walter and Donald are gonna keep making albums they need the money. Therefore they need people to show up at their concerts. Add to that, that they are not super comfortable on stage, not excactly spring chickens anymore, and that Donald has probably never been to either a fitness trainer or a singing teacher in his life. Things begin to make sense.
Furthermore I'm not sure that the average concert attendee at these concerts actually wan't to hear much more than 75 minutes. Especially not with a supporting act. It's a good lenght for most music lovers, (not SD-lovers), and best scenario is, that it keeps people coming back for more.
We are the hardcore fans, and we were extremely important in builiding Steely Dan to what it is today. But as record sales are non existent today, we are not as important as we think anymore - at least not economically. Sure they love that we cheer some extra at the "deep cuts" but overall we are not paying the bill.
Rolling Stones released "A Bigger Bang" in 2005 to absolutely great reviews - and sold nothing! The went on A subsequent Bigger Bang-tour playing only 4 tracks from the album, but almost never more than one on the same night. I bet the hardcore fans love that album, and were dissapointed with the tour. Difference is, that RS don't need the money to make new albums - SD do!
So the setlist is a matter of balance. Attract the wide audience, don't alienate the harcores, and play what we like. I truly understand people beeing dissappointed with the setlist - or the lack of setlist. Me too. But it would be nice if people would try to see from an economic angle - as well as understanding how god dam lucky we are that these guys are still playing. We get to hear them live, and they build a financial base for keep making albums. And don't be mistaken. The albums are for Don, Walt and the loyal dandom. No One else.
Personally I'm just grateful that they are actually coming to Europe and that I can afford to hear them twice!! I fully admire and respect people going to 10 shows a tour, and having been to 40 shows - I would do the same if I had the chance. But I don't think that sort of fandom is a part of the calculation when arranging a tour and making a setlist. Sorry.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 10:25:42 ET
Posted by: Raven, Beach
Why the heck doesn't SD website or ticketmaster put "sold out" anywhere? Ok, later, animals. Raven :>~
Avoiding spoilers--I like fresh grub. hehe j&j&r&b
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 10:18:12 ET
Posted by: Unhappy Gilmore, The Price is WRONG, bitch...
Multi-night shows at the same venue with sweeping set list changes? Don't get your hopes up...
The last two times the band did back-to-backers in the same city and venue (LA-Universal and NYC-Roseland, both in 2003) the setlists were virtually identical, save for a substitution or two...
It is what it is, kids...
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 09:21:29 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Well, looks like the spolers was revised and last show held at 15. Ok, so not as terrible, but still not that good either.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 08:50:04 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, Nj
Missed the bluebook for last couple days.
Just checked last show spoiler. Memphis was 16. Ole Ft Myers was 15 and now we're down to 14. Excellent work Don and Walt!!!!! Please cut more songs! Hopefully, you can get the show down to an even dozen. Perhaps NO MORE THAN 60 minutes would be great! We prefer to pay travel costs and not see or hear much once we get there.
Once we get a 12 song 60 minute show, we can read all about in the blue: how tight the band was, how they're saving themselves for the rest of the planet, how privaleged we should feel just for SD touring again, and lastly, what a great expereince it is to see other fans.
That'll make it all worthwhile.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 08:41:20 ET
Posted by: Atlanta, Review
Just a few additions to what has already been posted.
Yes, they did play TAN after Price. I thought Walter's snake/mongoose story was stupid, and I think he & the crowd did too by the lack of laughs & his statement afterwards ("what the hell am I talking about?"). Also, Walter said what a beautiful night it was and how hopefully the rain would hold off - while we were all sitting in a downpour - what!?
The band was tight, but the set list was too short! Black Cow was badly MIA! Based on the post of the soundcheck, maybe you'll get a few nice gems later (would've liked to hear Gaslighting & TIMTM).
The swag's pretty cool. I picked up the key chain & deck of cards. Cards are good quality w/ glossy laminate. The graphic you see on the top card is the same on all. The numbered piece of paper for $20 seems excessive - you can see a picture of it on their site. I actually thought it was a program, but it's just a single sheet of paper numbered X/250 or 500, can't remember which. Shirts are cool. The jacket is $60, but the quality looks cheap.
On another note. I was just looking at my ticket stub from '93. I paid $25 and saw them play 23 songs. My how the times have changed!
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 08:36:14 ET
Posted by: wormy, atlanta
sorry in my haste I left off the opener
they opened after jeri with 'two against nature'
the songs are tight, no shit they've been doing most since 00
the band moves and it's enjoyable, but you need to diversify
DEEEEPP CUTTTSSS
the soundcheck suggests a bit more to come
I would have loved to hear Aja, Babylon, Black Cow or Deacon BLues as a third encore for getting wet all last night
sorry it's getting past our bedtime
1 hour and twenty minutes to encore and two encores, come on guys
don was in fine voice all nite so it's not like he was protecting his cords
we have the moronic typical casual fan to thank
they cheer madly for the dualing guitar stuff alaa GE, KC, etc
off to the mountians
wormy
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 07:20:23 ET
Posted by: Rumpusella, Here
Monkeys, where are your souls.....
Swallowed by your mortgages? Taken over by hostile puberty strucken kids cleaning out your spare tire?
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 07:02:05 ET
Posted by: mlazzo, atlanta
They did open with two against nature in atlanta after the price is right intro.
I had been skeptical to see them live but the band is so tight and the songs so right that I sat in the rain all night.
mnl
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 06:44:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Iwalkthefloor
Theprogramisfuckingup.
Gina,Iamwithyou,youmakegreatsense.
SteelyDanmustchangeordie.
Notwowaysaroundit.
Out
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Rajah
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 05:54:48 ET
Posted by: gina, here
zeg deaconblues, doe jij ook al mee met die onzin? wat een flauwekul, hoor, al dat vergelijken met anderen en geld en de lengte van de shows. haal eens diep adem, zodat de zuurstof je hopelijk nog aanwezige verstand bereikt, en kijk dan eens naar wat je allemaal zget en schrijft. het heeft niets meer met oprechtheid te maken, niet eens alleen wat Steely Dan betreft, maar muziek in zn algemeen. kom op joh, doe niet net als de rest nog meer olie op het vuur, maar wees een beetje onbevooroordeeld. desondanks hartelijke groeten uit het Waalse.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 04:45:23 ET
Posted by: Stick it , up the old Dirt Road
The first multi-night shows are happening in a few days in Clearwater, FL. This will be the test. Are they going to play the same exact set list two nights in a row at the same venue? That would be suicide, no? They have a few of these dates coming up - Boston - Philly. What's going to happen at the five Beacon shows? If they are going to do the same set night after night at the same venue, then they either need to take a few business courses or this is the farewell (fuck-you) tour.
Goodbye!
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 03:55:12 ET
Posted by: Raj is right, the tour
Babble all you want apologists.
The fact is that the shows are shamelessly short for the money, the execution poor despite using the same musicians that previously played deliciously- now having been muzzled(only explanation - Herrington, Washington, etc. can play this stuff bolder in their sleep (and with great and worthy improv from time to time) so only one explanation holds water), and where are the deep cuts and solos?
Shameless and arrogant? The Price is Right? wake up and have some balls.
At least Rajah told the Kings that they have no clothes. And he did it for the good of everyone. Including the High Roller Duo.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 03:48:02 ET
Posted by: Wayward Sun,
Guys PLEASE! If you are going to cut something, do NOT make it Black Cow!! It is the BEST thing you are doing right now!! It's a hit, it's better than Peg, Josie, et al, it hasn't been over played, and you do it magnificently! Please don't drop Black Cow!!
Adding Caves was a plus (but don't replace BLACK COW!). Take out Janie Runaway and replace it with an EMG tune. Then all will be good.
Sorry, but I am so sick that they have dropped the highlight of the show...
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 03:38:43 ET
Posted by: Night Crawler, Location: Up Creep City's Bung Hole
Learning Theory 101: Attempt to engage lateral thinking into the fray. In other words, I borrowed that antonym checker on that creep's last post. Funny what was revealed:
Check that Anatomy
Animal, you good-bye enemy out there, you falsely do take many viagra ignoring "dead wrongs." This is because you hid down there one night. You abstain against your self-over indulgence, against eveyone else's quietness. You don't do it in spite of your hate of flaws--these have no fruit for draught and your dysfunction is worse than our death. You don't do it against the one I hate there on yellow. That route was sweet. I don't need to strip down. I don't need to reach up into my asshole and go down on the same softie. I don't need to lie to myself. Fuck you, you tell yourself, horrid ugly little puss, nothing one night then here your sold death.
Yes, it is a bad lacking, a man not good at that. The academia is not here less a barter not the contingency makes sense. I must not ignore my enemy's disrespect, my plight.
This is not complex and not important. I can't take off a day, you can lay flaccid no more against that true night darkness.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 02:23:06 ET
Posted by: !!,
That is just ridiculous.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 00:50:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, Los Angeles
People, my dear friends in Dan, I truly don't give a fuck about "being right." That's not why I show up here everyday. I do it for my own need for self-expression, I do it becase I love what Steely Dan has produced for 4 decades and how thier work has informed and enriched my life, I do it for the people I love here on Blue. This tour is shit. They need to change up. They need to reach down into their ballsacks and come up with a different hard. They need to be true to themselves. Please understand, I tell myself pretty much the same thing every day about my own life. No, it's not good enough, they are better than this. The money is there and the money is the money. They must reclaim their self-respect, their honor. It's that simple and that important. Bring on the night, I couldn't stand another hour of this false daylight...
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 00:12:06 ET
Posted by: chris, drunk
goddammit, two against nature is already cut ... i knew it wouldn't make it to boston. oh well, soundcheck news sounds promising. thanks for the info, tom.
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 00:11:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I hope they rest a bit before going to Europe, even if it means no Chicago show. (I'm surprised about Milwaukee.)
I hope if they do play Chicago, it's at Charter One Pavillion. As I mentioned last year, awesome venue for 8,000 people on an island in Lake Michigan, just south of Grant Park and just SE of the Field Musuem. Would kick ass.
Jim
Date: Sat, May 12, 2007, 00:09:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few miknutes ago, this one covering from May 8-11.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for May 8-11,2007:
• Larry Carlton possibly joins Steely Dan in Netherlands?
• North Sea Jazz Festival On sale May 12
• Milwaukee's Summerfest on sale May 19
• SD.com showcases 2007 Swag
• DANFESTS: "Kick off your high-heeled sneakers..."
• Danfest Hint #102: Build Interest, Meet Danfans
• DANDOM-FLORIDA: Orlando Danfest update
• DANDOM-NEW ENGLAND: Mohegan Mosh
• DANDOM-NYC: One Wing Ding possibility
• DANDOM-BOSTON: Boston Rag Danfest & 2007 Danny Awards
• VoTe! What was your favorite Swag Essay?
• Re: Trilogy contents critique
• REDUX: Stay in touch with Official Steely Dan News
• A Memory of Louis Brown
• Oodles of Ticket ads in the TICKET EXCHANGE
• SPOILER: May 9 - Ft.Myers
• A VIEW TO A SPOILER: Odd Review from "DF's Sunglasses"
• SPOILER: Fort Myers Commentary & Setlist
• SPOILERS Hollywood, FLA setlist 5/8/07
• SPOILER: Hollywood Set List & Comments
• REDUX: SPOILER: Opening Instrumental Details
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Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 23:45:22 ET
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Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 23:44:55 ET
Posted by: a soilantly wet worm tom, atlanta topsoil
Atlanta
the bad news first
Caves is back in the setlist but not much more going on
no other surprises and they left 15 minutes before curfew! ;-(
spoilers
Jeri (Price is Right) band intro
Bad Sneakers
Time out of Mind
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Monkey in Your Soul (Walt better than N.O.)
Peg
Caves of Altimira
Green Earrings
Dirty Work (Carolyn and Cynthia)
Josie (with band intros and great story)
Do It Again
Kid Charlemagne
Encores
My Old School
Bodhistaatva
Carolyn band outro
Don was in fine voice and mood all night
Walt was on, Herrington wow
the horn section was killer
my sixth row seat could see them all but Carolyn behind Don
(rectified later when real fans in front of us didn't like getting wet)the band is hitting everything real tight
Walt's Josie outro "band intro" started with him telling a story about N.O. Jazzfest - The Maytals had a python back stage, it scared the guitar tech, so they brought 5 cages with mongooses, the cages are empty, it looks like a squirrel mixed with a ferret, please look under your chairs... hilarious
the good news
I caught the soundcheck (some full band, some not)
spoilers
aja, babylon, black cow, Gaslighting Abbey!!!Janie Runaway twice, things I miss the most!!! ,Dirty work (twice), Monkey,Time out of Mind, Green Earrings
timtm wasn't quite ready
if you go to a gig show up early for the soundcheck
cheers
wormtom
just got kicked off the hotel internet business room, bye
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 20:43:04 ET
Posted by: Safeside Story,
How come WB doesn't write any pseudo-hostile/haughty memos anymore?
After the Grammies, RRHOF induction, and millions of dollars later he seems to have become quite complacent. Mr. No Balls anymore?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 19:37:58 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Hunkered Down in an Orlando Motel...getting ready
Prince is...nice.
I'll take 20 minutes of The Dan over 4 hours of Prince any day of the week.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 19:07:20 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I have to admit that my bottle of Italian Rose wine is actually doing his job.
Prince is going to assure 21 shows in Londen this summer. Each time he's going to do a 4 hour show;
SO GO TO HELL WITH THOSE 80 MINUTES SHOWS.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 18:59:52 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I'm traveling the whole world around to see my herous, my Gods.
It really no is important what they play or how long they play. Being there is what really counts for a danfan.
But unfortunately, for the casual admirors that for 75% are filling the showrooms, that isn't enough.They want something for their money. Honestly, a 80 minute show is not going to work nowhere, not in the USA, not here in Europe and surely not in Australia where they never had the oportunity to see The Dan.
Nothing than disapointing people all over the world. Like i said earlier, this tour will be the artistic suicide of the band. A not anounced farewell tour.
The only people left over in this hystory?? We, the fools of course !! Leaved alone with the memories of the good days. Remembering that we've made part of something genious, fenomenal and exeptional: Steely dan, the Legend!!
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 18:42:05 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
It's about having fun boys and girls. Fun do you remember that? It's about wriggling in your seat to every tune. Scanning the venue to see if there's even the remote possibility of standing up and wriggling. The enjoyment of meeting new Dan Fans and reconnecting with those you have met. Life is enjoying it when ever you can. The boys enjoy playing these songs and I've never seen Fagen so animated. I guess the band has become so tight that there are those that seem to think there is an underlying recorded music. Wow I think if I were Don or Walt either I would be totally pleased with myself for having such a great band that could give that illusion or I'd not give a shit and enjoy playing anyway.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 17:52:11 ET
Posted by: The Dribblings of a Moron, Go Polish The Monkey in Your Soul
Observe if you will, from the keyboard of one Mr. silverbowlshiner-
>>I for one would like to go on record and say I will be happy if SD plays ANYTHING.<<
>>if the Fri and Sat sets are the same then disregard this post<<
>>I will be shocked if they don't mix up the setlist tonight. If they don't then well, what the --- guys?<<
>>signed off by a dissillusioned fan<<
>>i'm outa here<<
You make no sense. You have no spine. Ponce.
You told us last night, TWICE, THAT YOU WERE GOING AWAY. So pleeeeeease GO AWAY. Fly away birdy. Chirp. Chirp.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 17:35:44 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
Well, I will just chime in for the moment and say I agree with Rajah. I was at Soboba and I saw what he saw so there! luv to all...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 17:15:30 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, g'ville
yeah
I'm not giving up on this tour yet. I will be shocked if they don't mix up the setlist tonight. If they don't then well, what the --- guys? they are just gearing up for the beacon run. they stink it up there and this is a farewell tour.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:59:33 ET
Posted by: Another bald guy, here
silverbowlshiner- You will love the show if it's your first one.
It's the fans here that have seen what these guys are really capable of doing live who are disappointed in this years tour/setlist.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:51:39 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, can't spell moon
does this site have an edit or what?
I'm used to missspelling and later correcting before posting
sorry
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:49:27 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner , gainesville to orlando
hey Lawgator,
let's say we, oh I don't know, have a great time tomorrow night. I assume your coming up from G'ville, as we are- look for me, i'll be the bald guy with the georgeous wife with the Aja shirt [I can hear the 'hardcore fans' grumbling]
I for one would like to go on record and say I will be happy if SD plays ANYTHING. They can glady get my money tomorrow night for I have enjoyed they're music for years and I will soon let them know how happy I am they are still around, playing for me.
thanks Don
*it's all Walter's fault about the setlists*
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:45:49 ET
Posted by: wormy, in atlanta
atlanta live newbie
don't worry
if it's your first dan show you will love it!!!
most of us have seen multiple years and want more surprises
I saw New Orleans on sunday - if that's a backing track then I'm Gordon Sumner
going to go hangout at Chastain and see if there is a soundcheck this afternoon
new set list... new set list,,,
I'll be in row 6 in pit left side
blue jeans, blonde hair, black fagan tour glasses shirt
I'll post tonight, hope I don't just have to read it of a preshow card
I would much prefer the deep cut fagen tour to the walt and don do it again and again
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:31:30 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,
We're all guessing here, but it's pretty clear to me that Donald is the one who had to overcome paralyzing stage fright just to slowly return to performing, first with New York Nights, then NYR&SR, then finally SD'93. Go back and read some Metal Leg exerpts or ask Pete. Walter has also been quoted saying something like "there are some old songs Donald doesn't want to sing anymore, so sometimes I do them." (Frankly, I think he does a great "Monkey" since it is essentially a blues tune and fits his voice well in its lower key). I think Donald's solo tour mixed it up primarily so it would be a solo show, not an SD-without-Walter show. And it was in smaller venues.
Plus, just listen to the contrast of their respective on-stage patter or watch any interview. Hell, READ any interview and nearly every writer comments on DF's nervousness vs. Walter's laid-back, wise guy persona. It's who they are. (It's what they do.)
Who knows why they don't play certain songs - the Plush video shows that they rehearsed TvN 7 years ago but didn't bust it out until now. And, hey, is anyone left from the Plush band? Just the Leonharts, right? Could this be D&W waiting until they have the perfect team on the field before they call certain plays, just like back in the 70's studio days? Only they know, and they'll never give you a straight answer.
I think they get a much more enthusiastic audience response from the well-known songs - we fanatics are the minority. Audience response matters to them - in 1993 they thought nobody like their show at first since there was no audience feed in their in-ear monitors, until Roger Nichols dialed some in (source: dimly-remembered Metal Leg article). Some of the well known songs they just don't want to do (the re-arranged Rikki was nice in 96 but never reappeared). Others they keep doing every year or so, generally to great audience response and much carping here on the Blue.
Personally, I'd argue for Deacon Blue and Black Cow to replace some of the other road-worn hits - they would appeal to the casual fan and fanatic alike as neither have been overplayed and both get huge ovations whenever they appear. Both featured the late Mr. Bumpus, as I recall, and I'm not sure how well Walt Weiskopf's approach would fit.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 16:15:36 ET
Posted by: William, Fl
Maybe the price IS right- I agree with you 100%. You can't argue with Raj because he's always right.
It is hard to understand why Fagen would go on record in those interviews about playing "deep cuts" on this tour It doesn't make sense that he decided to nix it.
Is it just me, or does anyone else here prefer the Fagen tour to this years Steely Dan tour?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:49:49 ET
Posted by: atlanta joe, atlanta
p.s. I hear that Luke Wilson is going to the show tonight, maybe he can get up on stage for a little energy boost for the boys
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:43:07 ET
Posted by: atlanta joe, atlanta
Don't worry, SD won't disappoint tonight. You know what they'll play, how short the show is...just have quite a few drinks beforehand and you wont even notice the underlying recorded music or lack of energy as you spend your hard earned money
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:24:59 ET
Posted by: rzogba, Clemson, SC
Wow.. After reading all the negative comments here, I am really worried about my first ever show in Atlanta tonight!
I have been a fan for the last ten years, but logistic and financial difficulties have stopped me from seeing Steely Dan live.
I hope my first Steely Dan show doesn't disappoint tonight! :)
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:23:57 ET
Posted by: d danman, Fort Myers
Wormy Tom, will you post the setlist after the show 2night???
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:21:26 ET
Posted by: angel,
Denise: No dates right now. I am just sitting back watching, for a bit.
I did enjoy meeting you at Chumash and yes, too short. Always... :-)
Got a look at the swag for this tour. I do want those cards and keychain. Might have to work on that. lol
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:10:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Big Fan
Using logic with SD?
Angel- I never heard you so quite
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 15:06:07 ET
Posted by: wormy tom, visiting Atlanta
they better not be dialing tonights show in
my suggestions
1) the band solo songs to warm up
(if you are doing a too too short set, you don't need an intro
everyone will get to impress soon enough)
2) back and forth guitar historonics
didn't you let Skunk go for that?
don't cow tow to the uninitiated, play cool songs - no noodling needed
3) you have a hell of a back catalog - play some great deep cuts
4) post Y2K Dan rules, play it
5) no opening act - 2 long sets please
6) retire some old war horses
blasphemy to some but MOS, DIA, KC, H19, Bodi, GE, PEG need a rest
not a dial it in performance
7) play some fagen solo, play a new walt tune over a butchered Monkey
let's hope the fire's in the soul tonight
wormtom
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:45:41 ET
Posted by: Maybe the price IS right,
Rajah
It's no surprise that it was Donald who nixed Dr Wu in Soboba, he even explained why in an interview. Big deal. That one instance is what you're basing your profile on? Donald said they would play deep cuts and solo this time around, not Walter. Do you still think Donald is the one that scrapped it? Then why even mention it? There is nothing strange about Donald's tour being "wide open", Donald has no problem playing new stuff and mixing it up. Not only did he play mostly never before played songs, including the Dan's "Here at the Western World", he changed the setlist a lot throughout the tour. Steely Dan doesn't do this, so how can you say it is Donald's call? The only difference in these tours is Walter, so it has to fall on him.
I think you are completely backwards on this. Donald has no confidence issues, but it is painfully clear that Walter does, regardless of who decided not to do the Wu at one particular show.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:40:45 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta
You gotta love the Steely Dan playing cards.
I'll have to pick up a few for Christmas presents. :-)
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:31:41 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Why do you put stuff like that in my head?
One day until the Orlando show and I am reading speaculation that the band is playing over a pre-recorded track? Hmmm ... I hope this is not wishful thinking on my part, but it just seems so unlikely. I mean, why bother with a ten piece outfit if you are going to "supplement" with an underlying track? And, if you were going to do it, would a band with this much $ and expertise ever employ a piece of equipment that might "skip"?
I mean, if that ever got truly exposed, they'd be in a world of hurt publicity-wise. I'm thinking you might have misheard it or that there was a botched bridge or transition in there and someone (Carlock, Washington?) had to back off and catch back up. But, I've got an open mind and will listen for it. If I hear it, I'll let you know.
I am not a "regular" here, though I do tend to post a bit when the tour starts in this direction (Central Florida). There always seem to be a lot of folks right around this time of a tour that write in and post criticisms, be it of the setlist, the strength of DF's voice, the Swag, etc.
So, over the last few years, I've learned to take all of that with a grain of salt, though I do listen to others and consider what they are saying so that I might have a more critical ear when I go to the show.
I suppose the No. 1 criticism is setlist and that it is not varied enough. I respect that criticism, though I personally enjoy some of the old standards. Might I suggest, however, that there is a little bit of disappointment that the band is losing its mystery by touring so much. I mean, for more than a decade Fagan and Becker were nowhere to be found. They resurfaced in '93 and then were gone again and now they are touring quite a bit.
Seems a lot of times we like to think ourselves afficianados of something clever, but hard to grasp... something ephemeral, and only a select few "get it" ... something compex, and only us real fans grasp the true meaning. And now Steely Dan is a regular touring band and playing all over the world, including multiple shows in a lot of places. Could it be that some folks wish they'd have stayed more or less a secret?
Guess what. Secret's out.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:19:52 ET
Posted by: Neil, Sarasota
It's too bad the new front of house mixer doesn't know how to mix sound so it sounds good in the room, or at least make a player heard while he's soloing!
The show I saw last year sounded amazing, why change to something "new"?
For the record, the last thing I want to do is to say the band/show sucked, believe me.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:14:26 ET
Posted by: joe si, florida
You may be right Fez, maybe the entire band will just walk off the stage and let the music play until the concert ends
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:14:05 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work
Craig B:
Grey t-shirt - from what I can read:
Left column:
Memphis
New Orleans
Hollywood
Atlanta
?
?
Uncasville
Wallingford
New York
Right column
Philidelphia
Atlantic City
? Can't read the rest
Not a complete tour list - looks like Aja shirt has them all.
The zip up sweatshirt, hat and playing cards are mine - how lucky pre made crew wear for the boat with the same script logo. Excellent!!!
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:11:12 ET
Posted by: fez, take the money & run
you'll be lucky to get more than 11-12 songs, maybe an hour or so Perhaps the digital music will sustain them for an encore
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 14:00:38 ET
Posted by: joe si, florida
spring training??? the show isn't going to change, it'll just get slower and more boring as D & W get more tired (which will kick in next week) plan on 12-13 songs...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:57:03 ET
Posted by: Ken, .
Agreed. Florida has always been for spring training.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:56:07 ET
Posted by: Ron, .
The south is for practice. This tour starts Thursday night in Uncasville.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:51:03 ET
Posted by: d danman, FTM
did anyone else at the Ft Myers show hear the "hiccup"??? just curious
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:49:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No, man, Becker is fearless, you should have seen the disaproving look he shot Fagen at the point in the Soboba setlist (which I perused with great care prior to the show) when Dr. Wu was supposed to come up. It's the Donald, he's a ball of insecurity. He reminds me of Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart. But strangely(sp?) enough, his solo tour was so wide open in comparison. Maybe it's the strain of being Mr. Steely Dan, I dunno, send in the mental health profesionals...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:43:22 ET
Posted by: no prerecord, FOH
Front of House mixer is new digital console. Engineer may record soundchecks into a temp cache to transfer levels into digital console
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:41:52 ET
Posted by: Profession Obsession,
Hey Silverbowl
As far as last year's tour they played your song, slightly improvised @Soboba. Glam Pro does qualify as a deep cut.
How shocked would you have been had you been there? Rushed?
Man, you wouldn't have had to shine no silver bowl after that now wouldya?
That is what we hard cores are talking about. Unnastand?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:40:03 ET
Posted by: The price is not right,
Donald holding them back? Donald is the one who said they would be playing deep cuts plus solo tunes, if he had reservations about that, he wouldn't have said it. Donald doesn't have a problem playing "new" songs, he did the Morph tour with ALL new material except for a couple SD songs. Why did they drop the solo stuff? My bet is it was Walter. Maybe he is afraid to play his new songs, or wants to have his "big debut" without SD, maybe he doesn't want to watch the crowd take a bathroom break when he plays songs from 11TOW. Maybe he knows that the crowd will go just as wild for Fagen solo songs as they do for SD songs and his ego can't handle it. This smells more of Walt than Don.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:30:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach: Is it Saturday Yet?
Neil, I agree with Chris. I certainly mean you shouldn't voice your criticism here. You had legit issues with the concert/preformance.
i just think the "set list sucks" posts are old, lazy and relatively pointless. Hey, I'd love for them to play my personal playlist. Once I see them, I'm quickly over it.
Then, of course, there is the speculation the Dan is playing over digital music.
Right...that's probabaly it.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:30:40 ET
Posted by: lovethigig, atlanta
Simon who?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:28:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No, they would never cheat like that, I'll never believe it, they may be lame but they're not deceivers, no, they respect the music too much. As limp as the shit is going, they would never...no, I won't entertain it. Too many great players. Forgoddsake, that band could deliver an awesome performance without either Don or Walt. I would pay the same to hear that band play American bandstand top 40 from the 60s instrumentally just as soon as I would those two old crumpled codgers ascending the boards with them. The band is over the top awesome. It's Donald that's holding them back. Funny turn of events, is it not?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:26:23 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, should be working
I can only tell you that there was no way the sound was pre-recorded in NO. I was 20 feet from the stage and Allen Toussaint's bass made me think I was having a heart attack. It got better when SD took the stage, but as WT said, could have been mixed with a little more finesse.
Simon Cowell? Who gives a shit what he thinks. I mean, I don't really mind those kind of shows. Some of them are downright entertaining (remember the Gong Show?) I was absolutely riveted by that when I was in college. I watch those kind of shows as proof of how stupid people can be. Kind of like beauty pageants....
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:15:20 ET
Posted by: d danman, old fart myers
The guy from sarasota hit it pretty accurately regarding the sound for the Ft Myers show... but now I'm wondering if the band is actually playing over recorded (digital) music. I was at the venue earlier in the day (about 3:30) and walked in to pick up tix a prior to the sound check (which was rumored to be at 5). While I was outside the door, I heard what sounded like Kid C playing full volume, but only briefly, then stopped...peeked in the door, and no band etc there, only a few roadies on the stage. There was also 1 point in the show where it sounded like a digital hiccup (song skipped) and I wondered at that point what happened...could sly old SD be using digital prerecorded sound to enhance??? I'm thinking they were...wonder what W & D would say about this...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 13:15:09 ET
Posted by: d danman, old fart myers
The guy from sarasota hit it pretty accurately regarding the sound for the Ft Myers show... but now I'm wondering if the band is actually playing over recorded (digital) music. I was at the venue earlier in the day (about 3:30) and walked in to pick up tix a prior to the sound check (which was rumored to be at 5). While I was outside the door, I heard what sounded like Kid C playing full volume, but only briefly, then stopped...peeked in the door, and no band etc there, only a few roadies on the stage. There was also 1 point in the show where it sounded like a digital hiccup (song skipped) and I wondered at that point what happened...could sly old SD be using digital prerecorded sound to enhance??? I'm thinking they were...wonder what W & D would say about this...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:56:41 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Hey Neil, I can't speak for everyone, but your review was thoughtful, and hell, you were there, so I don't mind posts like your's. It's the anonymous, 2 line posts saying things like "They sold out, I told you so!" that add nothing to the discussion that are the problem. I don't think anyone is happy with this year's setlist so far, some are just more optimistic by nature.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:56:07 ET
Posted by: They'll "Do it Again",
Silverbowlshiner Dude, don't be disillusioned. Do like you are doing and encourage others to GET OUT AND BUY SOME STEELY DAN MUSIC!!! Then they might not have to do these repeat setlist tours and can get back to creating some masterpieces, MAYBE a Steely 10?
BTW, thanks for the compliment (a Hard Core "elitist"). Never considered myself "elite", but I always could "blog" even as a young Sprout. There is another blogger on here from Belgium, who once was a "Brussels Sprout".
Re: Walt's recording contract, he might have to put out the record himself using the Heavy Rollers Tour profits. Or else, hmmmmm...
How do you think Walt would fare doing "Monkey", performing for, let's say, Simon Cowell??
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:46:10 ET
Posted by: Neil, Sarasota
A few observations from the Fort Myers show. When the band began, I thought there was a problem with the sound system. It was like nothing was coming from the speakers and we were getting only the sound from the stage monitors. Weird. Then on Peg, you couldn't hear Herrington's solo AT ALL! You could see him playing and faintly hear the guitar (from the stage monitors), but he wasn't in the mix at all, and this was his solo!
I agree with those reviews, the band seemed really lethargic. The sound and energy finally made themselves known during the encores (Bodhisattva was smokin'!) but then the show was over. Between the sound and energy (and SHORT set), it was very disappointing. I kind of felt bad for Donald, as he seemed to be the only one that was into the performance, but it's kind of hard to get a crowd going when the sound sucks and you can't hear the players!
Hopefully they will get it together soon. If they are going to do such a short set, then it's got to be all out from start to finish. An hour of "phoning it in" only to hit their stride for the encore just isn't worth $130.
It's funny, this is a guestbook for fans to post their opinions, yet if someone posts something negative, they get bashed! I'm just telling it like it is. I know it's early in the tour, but this band has been playing together for a while, not to mention playing the same songs. I just can't see any reason for such a lackluster performance. Definitely the most disappointing Dan show I've seen.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:40:18 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Angel, are you heading out east for any shows? We never really got a chance to talk much at Chumash, hope to see you.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:22:29 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, west of the Tower®
...I just got Keith Carlock's RUDDER CD in the mail last night....WOW! great stuff!!!
I'm not as "musically articulate" as the reviewer for the Hollywood Reporter, or DF's shades, for that matter, but what I can say is: if you don't buy this disc, then, my little pretty ones, you met out on a damn good thing...RUDDER has been definey set on fiy-ah...
favorite tracks so far are "stablemaster" and "lopez"
there's a link to order on keithcarlock.com they shipped pretty quickly...
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 12:12:41 ET
Posted by: angel,
Corpsy V: Yep, lots of setlist comments, must be the start of a new tour. :-)
LWO: Absolutely! When the band head's out onto the stage, everything else falls to the wayside. It's just me and the band and the music that makes me so incredibly proud to be a Steely Dan Fan.
Hooyah!
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 11:46:56 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Well said LWO!! I'm grateful there is a Tour to talk about.
On the merch page those gray looking T's are those the US cities listed on the back? My German Shepherd can't read them either. Any help
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 11:27:36 ET
Posted by: heymike, south of the big gig
Summerfest!
Awesome!
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:43:13 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
SUMMER F*ing FEST!!!!!!!! Whoooo Hoooooo!!!!
KC
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:38:20 ET
Posted by: Rusty, Plano, TX
Bottom Line: The tour's lame! I'd rather our boys spend the next 5 months in the studio creating some new masterpieces than out on the road recycling the last few tours.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:37:45 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, countdown
Thank you 'gator, Dean, Bobbo, Corpsy, Fife, Raj. Even though some of us haven't met (but there's still time!), you have become my extended family.
And I definitely echo your sentiments. When I see Herington walk onstage and the boys in the back pick up their horns, OMG, is it a rush! I dunno, maybe I lead a very boring life and need to take up skydiving or something, but I get all tingly inside.
To the new folks here, welcome. It is a "guest" book, (key word there is GUEST) that is dedicated to Steely talk. I, for one, am grateful to have something new and refreshing to talk about, even if it is just that I never thought I'd hear 2VN live. Have fun at the shows!
If you got backpacks
And pointy little shoes
Late-model roadsters
Or just those walkin' blues
A case of heartache
That you're too numb to fight
A secret sorrow
That keeps you up all night
Well don't you fret
It's not your fault
Just lay it all on Don and Walt
Just trip out on these hits
The groove that never quits
At THE STEELY DAN SHOW
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:21:52 ET
Posted by: bobbo, I'm with you, Dean.
My sentiments exactly, man...if I hadn't blown the Daddy's Solo Vacation budget on Chumash, I'd be headed out for N.O. (too late now--had to sell the tickets!) or Boston (can't do it: work schedule, don't ya know) post-haste, this year.
Now, I'm still playing the Texas Lottery, so one of the European or Asian dates is still a remote possibility, but...I may've seen my last Dan show this year, guys!
And I say all of that in regards to saying all of THIS: would I drop a grand or two to see the current setlist, travelling for multiple days for a little over an hour of the Steely Dan orchestra? You bet your high-heeled sneakers, babydoll. Yes indeed. Y'all enjoy it while they're out, give a holler for ol' Bobbo while the lights are up, and don't let the naysayers take the thrill away for a second. Life is too fine when the boys strike up--regardless of the mix of tunes, you're getting a rare opportunity to see real-live musical magicians do what they do...isn't that enough? Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:20:24 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Oooops sorry Doc didn't realize that you had already posted the below review. How are things coming along in Philly?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:14:26 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
BonitaNews.com
Bonita Daily News | The BannerE-mail story | Printer-friendly | Discuss story E-mail editor | iPod friendly | Get on your phone Review: A literate groove but not enough of the classic tunes
By RAY BANZ as told to JEREMY COX, jgcox@naplesnews.com
Thursday, May 10, 2007
First off, can I just tell you how weird it is to be writing one of these reviews. Normally, all I get to do is read them. And I know what you’re already thinking: "Why would Donald Fagen wear sunglasses while reading the newspaper?"
The man is cool, that’s why.
If my boss wants to wear me in a darkened music hall at night, so be it. It’s my job to transform Mr. Fagen from a skinny band nerd to a pasty Ray Charles, or maybe a suntanned Roy Orbison.
I don’t want to knock Walter Becker’s choice of eyewear. But when our guitarist adjusts the spectacles on the bridge of his nose when he’s supposed to be soloing on "My Old School," as he did Wednesday night, his look couldn’t be more unrock ‘n’ roll.
No worries, though. I was having the time of my life during that song. Mr. Fagen’s neck must be spring-loaded or something. We bobbed with each rapid-fire note, and, even from where I was sitting, I could tell he was smiling.
That song is definitely my favorite. The reviewers often call us a jazz-rock combo (trio counting me, if I may be so bold). But after 35 years on the road, minus a decade-long gap there in the ‘80s, it’s nice to show people that we can flat-out rock when we want to.
For Steely Dan, appearances have always been a distant second to the music. Heck, you won’t find a picture of Misters Fagen or Becker on the cover of any of their nine proper studio albums, which span from 1972’s "Can’t Buy a Thrill" to 2003’s "Everything Must Go."
After "My Old School," we amped up the energy some more with the weird but wonderful "Bodhisattva." Think ‘50s-era boogie shone through a postmodern prism. With all the sideways jerking we were doing, I thought my boss was trying to get water out of his ears. I’m still kinda dizzy.
OK, I don’t want to get fired here, but I feel there’s something I have to get off my lenses.
This was the first show we ever played in Fort Myers. The Mann, as the locals call it, is nice, but from down here on the stage, the guy sitting in row WW, seat 106, in the balcony looks like he’s sitting at the top of the Grand Canyon.
This won’t endear me to my boss either, but I felt like the only time the band showed some life was during "My Old School" and "Bodhisattva," which happened to be the encores.
The backing band — which included two saxophones, one horn, one trombone, a drummer, an organist, a bassist and second guitarist — were pretty faithful to the original versions of the songs.
We cranked through the first 13 songs in 77 minutes. It felt like we were pacing ourselves for the finale the whole time.
My boss promised to play "tunes from the present, the recent past and the far past," but the front end of the show was loaded with the newer stuff. Don’t get me wrong: "Two Against Nature" and "Janie Runaway" have excellent grooves that are better than 90 percent of the junk that comes out today. But they aren’t the reason folks pay 80 bucks for the cheap seats.
Where were "Don’t Take Me Alive," "FM," "Any Major Dude Will Tell You," and "Reelin’ In the Years?" Letting the two female backup singers take lead on "Dirty Work" was a mistake, in my opinion. It seemed like they were auditioning for better singing gigs in the future, instead of telling the story of a twisted love.
Now, I’m sounding overly negative. Sorry about that, boss. This is probably why the powers that be don’t usually allow sunglasses to write reviews.
The performance demonstrated that Steely Dan is still one of the most ingenious, literate and enigmatic bands on the planet. So, can I still keep my job?
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:07:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach: Loading up for Orlando
And, there it is, doc.
That's one convoluted review, all right. Setting aside that, for a moment, it really works as a response to some of the "setlist sucks" posts here.
From looking at the set lists posted here, there ARE deeper cuts in the mix. Did anyone really think they would stop playing My Old School?
I saw last year's tour at Shoreline just south of SF. It was probably the 5th time, or so, that I've seen them. There were few surprises, set wise (maybe none). Despite that, it was the best SD show I ever saw. The band was HOT (so we danced the famous Merengue), Fagen was at the top of his game and they were clearly enjoying what they were playing.
What we have here, it seems, is people struggling to find something to complain about. Can't complain about the band...the sound...the music...I got it: Set List Sucks!
Isn't enough they play great, sound great, etc? If your complaint is "too short of a performance", fine. All the shows are too short for me...I got all night.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 10:06:19 ET
Posted by: Chitown hopes,
SUMMERFEST!
maybe there's hope for midwest and west after all???
steelydan.com updated
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 08:28:37 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater...
...here's a rather odd review, if you can call it that, from the Naples Daily News in Florida....told from the perspective of Donald Fagen's sunglasses...I kid you not!
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/may/10/review_literate_groove_not_enough_classic_tunes/?neapolitan
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 06:42:38 ET
Posted by: anon, here
Silverbowlshiner,
11TOW is still in print: ordered it for my brother this past xmas.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 03:21:20 ET
Posted by: ps, ...
and kudos to those who have positive things to say and are sweet enough to share their findings in here, much appreciated :-)
enjoy the shows and looking forward to hear about them afterwards!
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 03:19:19 ET
Posted by: Corpsy V, Combat Training Center
Howdy Angel and WormTom, tis good to see some familiar voices in an otherwise pretty fast-running-blood-to-the-head-but-where-is-the-brain kind a crowd. Man, what is it with these folks? You are spoiled rotten and should stay at home plugging your left and right earlobe into that expensive supersonic audio set you bought in the rush of yet another spoiled rotten moment. Shame on yous!
Corpsy V is trying to kick that shameful feeling from sinking down into her shiny red boots and her new hip straw hat shouts Berry! for the sake of it, I mean, how can you be whining and complaining like this? Like really.
If I were mister Hoops, I'd be taking down this Blue board for 24 hours to keep the 'venting' peeps from coloring things awfully messy and discouraging. So what if those peeps will then molest their pets in return, or wreck their wife's new little pleasure pole just to 'vent' their frustration about the same old songs like Steely Dan's been bringing home on stage for, yeah, let's just remind us how long they've been doing this LIVE show stuff, huh?
And those who bought like more than 15 tickets to 15 shows, ooooooh, my-oh-my, don't you think you're overdoing it just a teensie bit? So because YOU bought tickets to a multitude of shows, does this imply you got a right to demand different setlists for each different show? Hello-oh! Waky-waky up, sweet thangs! I am positive <they> are very pleased to have such devoted fans as you seem to be, but where does the fandom begin and end if one starts to complain about hearing the same songs each show? I don't think <they> can even begin to consider the possibility of peeps chasing them across the country and what that might behold, like hearing tunes you've heard before and such. Sigh. This saddens me, really it does.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 01:54:54 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, work
will try to get somebody to upload it for me..I imagine it's out of print. I'm certainly interested in hearing it- Becker's voice doesn't really bother me and I've always loved his compositional style. His lead guitar playing has always sounded a bit sloppy but in the context they're in they somehow seem to work. He will rarely provide 'tasty' licks ala Carlton, or possess dexterity of a Dias, but he is instantly recognizable. Everytime I hear Aja [title track] I immediantly know which lead fills are his.
thanks for being friendly and I shall continue my countdown till Sat night [yippee]
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 01:40:09 ET
Posted by: anon, here
Silverbowlshiner,
If you have never heard 11TOW you are in for a treat. I had not heard it until a few years ago, (yeah, I gues I'm not much of a fan either!) but I hope you enjoy it.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 01:34:24 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
"If you've never see this band live before and you're 37, you're not much of a fan"
how juvenile is it to pass judgement on how much a fan somebody is based on that? for the record some people work, have babies, go see favorite bands in far away towns that cost lots of money and prevent one from seeing other bands, ext. point being this is the right time for me to see them.
here's to anyone who is forever annoyed by 'hard core' elitists who sees the same band a dozen times only to whine about stale setlists
get a life
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 01:13:39 ET
Posted by: anon, here
Each concert I have been to has been great. The sound was superb, the band tight, and the music just flows over and through you. It's an individual experience. I've not heard some of the songs on the present set list live, and am anxiously awaiting that pleasure.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 01:12:36 ET
Posted by: Hard Core Fan,
Q- "I said it before and I'll say it again- do any of you 'hard core' fans really think this is the only setlist they will have"?
A- Yes
Q-"some of you seem pretty certain that's the case. based on what?"
A -Based on the shows in 1993, '94, '96, 2000, 2003 and 2006
If you've never see this band live before and you're 37, you're not much of a fan. You never heard EMG or 11TOW? You don't even deserve to be debating the people that post here!
Enjoy the show on Saturday night
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 00:58:27 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
it's the ole "last year's tour was the one to see" bit
yawn
you'll claim to love the band but this tour is a total rip off job?
Yikes
listen, I know all about constructive criticism, I'm an ateaser for crissakes [that's Radiohead for all the old farts out there] and I'm an old veteran of these kinds of debates. but it's just too early in the tour for this level of pessimism. I said it before and I'll say it again- do any of you 'hard core' fans really think this is the only setlist they will have? some of you seem pretty certain that's the case. based on what? do you know these guys personally? if so, then you got me. maybe you guys are more 'hard core' than I'm giving you credit for. for the record, I'm 37 years old and have been a SD fan since high school, which is getting to be a long time ago [ahem] so I am a bit of a hardcore fan myself, only I still have yet to hear "EVERYTHING MUST GO", oh, and "11 TRACKS OF WHACK". But I am going to be living out a dream Sat night by seeing them and you people are bumming me out. Are the songs they ARe doing any good live or have I just been ripped off by your favorite band?
signed off by a dissillusioned fan
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 00:44:54 ET
Posted by: Positive thinker,
silverbowlshiner- The Hollywood Reporter is just confirming what every one here that's been to a show this tour has been saying. Us "hard core" fans don't want to not like the show. Do you want us to "sugar coat" it and say that the setlist is amazing and the band is kicking ass? I was at Hard Rock show and the Hollywood Reporter reviewer is dead on. The band seems bored and the set list is old. Last years tour w/McDonald was much, much better. I'm going to two of the Beacon shows. I'll always love this band no matter what they sound like or what they play. Hey, it's only four shows into the tour. They can still turn this thing around.
Date: Fri, May 11, 2007, 00:32:09 ET
Posted by: They'll "Do It Again", because they can
Back in the day, before there was the web, you really would not know the setlist until AFTER the show when the bands came to Your Town, USA. Local concert reviews were, well, local. Now, the setlists and reviews are worldwide, Toto has pulled back the curtain, and the Emperor has NO Clothes.
Also, back in the day, many of our favorite bands had not yet amassed the body of work that they have today. We wanted to hear the hits, but they HAD to use "deep cuts", so to speak, to fill up
the setlist. Steely Dan has so much material and so few songs in a set, they want to appeal to the most people it is nearly impossible to get the deep cuts in. Lately, there have been long-time acts that DO change it up, but it will be surprising if the Dan follows suit.
This 2007 tour is not much more than a naked, unabashed, (swan-song?) money grab. They started off right in Memphis, so it appeared, but reverted back to the same old same old. Nevertheless, with the repetitive setlist and minimal effort, The Dan will achieve their ends which are some much-deserved money as well as some R and R out of going to exotic locales. You need to see it for what it is and not delude yourselves. They will sell the same amount of tickets to the vast majority, the "casual fan" who cannot discern. Enjoy the shows, meet up with old friends etc. But those are the Groovessential Facts.
For the "discerning" Steely fan it this Tour's setlist will be like "an awful dream he'll have most every night". Groundhog Day, baby.
Don's 2006 Tour WAS the show that the hard core Steely fan wants, but his solo repertoire, the Fagen Trilogy sort of FORCED him to do "deep cuts". It was a great blend and balance, with a few Steely hits thrown in. I think Don is way more into recording and performing than Walt, and I do believe that 5-10 years down the road we could see Don himself providing more output and tours with deep cuts. But they need to tour as Steely Dan to raise revenue for Walt, who I believe, unfortunately cannot get a recording contract.
The show's opener speaks volumes, the PRICE, is indeed Right!
Soboba and San Diego were the likes of shows, deep cuts (2 1/2 hours) that will NEVER be seen again unless it is at a venue like Mohegan, which, BTW is a WISE choice.
In the end, it's all about entertainment. But take it for what it is, don't torture yourselves. And if you are so inclined do not let that intefere with YOUR enjoyment of the Steely Dan Show!
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 23:08:26 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbWp-qDmKqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfx9Ul9fto0
At least we have a tour to complain about.....
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 22:30:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, OK, but baby you haven't been around...
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 22:15:58 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, avoiding those godawful steely dan fans
more chirping
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 22:10:40 ET
Posted by: anon, usa
I wrote a little parody about all the complaining going on.
Down at the Dan show
They frustrate you
With Peg every year
Kid C and Black Cow
And Josie too
But lately the fans want to hear
Doctor Wu and Gaucho
And Your Gold Teeth
But Walter don’t care
Hat Too Flat and 2nd Arrangement
If they’d only dare
One set?
They’re gettin’ old
Yahel?
The tickets were sold
They are so being whores
On the 07 tour
Cindy will take lead on Dirty Work
Just like on the last tour
Donald’s just slackin’ till 65
So throw him a few Jacksons more
On the blue you beg for the deep cuts
You’re longing to hear
But it’s all about sellin’ tickets
And T shirts & beer
Midwest?
Europe or bust
Left Coast?
New Zealand's a must
They are so being whores
On the 07 tour
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 22:10:27 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
"Steely Dan doesn't have to worry about deciding on a set list. They just print up the same one from the night before."
*chirp...chirp*
you people officially suck
here I am getting ready for Sat's show and all this place has done has turn me off to the people I'm going to be around
is this what SD fans are like? a bunch of cynical, grumpy old farts who don't want to be made to feel "they were at some rock and roll show"
yeh
i'm outa here
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 22:09:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach: Still looking for the Manatee Bar
I'm not sure about the rest of you, but for me it's not "what the play", but only "that they play". Everything they decided to play is oustanding (far better than what others's play), IMO.
Let's just enjoy it.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 21:50:03 ET
Posted by: Mr. Charlie, Great Wall
“Number One Son, ancient Chinese proverb say, If you want to look at the world through rose colored glasses, be prepared for some thorns”.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 21:40:59 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Its been a while since my last post but I can assure everyone that I am alive and well and checking in on a regular basis. Just got home from a quick west coast swing. Had few day meeting in beautiful San Diego. I was at the Lodge at Torrey Pines, what a spectacular setting. Best part was I got to play golf on the Torrey Pines South Course which will host the 2008 US Open. It was a real treat, one I will not soon forget. Yes, I did break 80!
One week from right now I'll be enjoying another of my passions, Steely Dan. Mohegan should be a great time. I'm a bit dissapointed to hear some of the early reviews of the shows. Sure I wish they were playing a bit longer, and maybe some different tunes. But at this stage of their career, the back nine, every chance I get to see them is a bonus.
Remember last March when we were all excited about the "Donald Tour"? Remember how happy we were when the summer tour was announced. Remember we were a bit dissapointed that they were playing with Michael McDonald. Remember how much fun we all had at the shows and the fests. Remember when it was over we thought that maybe in a few years we would see them again. And now less than one year after those summer shows, and not much more than a year after the Fagen Band tour we are seeing them again. And lets not forget the good fortune of our European and Down Under friends. Why is anyone dissapointed? We are seeing them on a more regular basis than the Sopranos put out a season.
Maybe casual fans are missing out on some of their longest shows, but us die hards should be nothing less than ecstatic. No more negative girls (and boys).
Mohegan next Thursday, be there aloha.
P.S. I may have an extra ticket for Mohegan. I'll know by the end of the weekend and will post if I do.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 21:16:48 ET
Posted by: Don't Worry, Steely Dan Set List
>>Some interesting things that have been on the blog: the RHCP decide their set list about an hour (or less) before each night's show.<<
Steely Dan doesn't have to worry about deciding on a set list. They just print up the same one from the night before.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 20:48:14 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
"Bodhisattva
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
FM
Hey 19
Monkey in Your Soul
Dirty Work
Daddy Don't Live
should be shelved. Shelved"
whoah!?
I'm going to my first ever SD show this Sat nigh and I want those songs played
are they playing FM anyway?
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 20:32:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah, suggestion box
Well, OK, we're having another outbreak of frustration here. We're allowed. Let's just take a deep cleaning breath....fooooooo and clear our collective root shakras. Better. Now,
Bodhisattva
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
FM
Hey 19
Monkey in Your Soul
Dirty Work
Daddy Don't Live
should be shelved. Shelved.
They're using Bodhi, KC, MOS and FM to dig themselves out at the end of the show. It's a cop out. We're mostly people over 40, some of us waaay over 40. I don't need to be whipped into a frenzy at the end of the show so I can feel like I was at a wild and crazy rock concert. I can do that on my own later. I don't need to walk that extra mile for a Camel, I need to be satisfied, like Mr. Chesterfield.
Janie
TOOM
2vN
Green Earrings
Josey
Peg
can stay. That's enough nostalgia.
The closer should be AJA, a song Donald said he liked to, "get out of the way," early in the show.
Steely Dan considered themselves a semi-bust as a touring unit in the 70s. Then they came roaring back. Now the're devolving. Things can be done. All they really have to do is not give up. It's not the length of the show, it's the content.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 20:29:22 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
I suspect D&W are just a bit overwhelmed by the sheer size of the tour at this point and are pacing themselves for the long haul, ala 'saving Don's voice' and whatnot. they are older, let's be honest, and they aren't exactly the greatest of road hogs with natural showmanship built for extended tours. some nights will be better than others.
but the crowd being into won't hurt.
get up to 16-17 songs and we all will be happy
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 20:06:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor,NY
Angel - You had to be there. You just had to be there. And by there I mean our hotel room in Chumash where we all... slept with Geoff.
The countdown is on: a week to Mohegan Sun! My fairly new boss cannot understand why I had to sit down with him and make sure the schedule for next week was perfect to the minute so I'm all set for SD. Ah, if only he were around last summer.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:48:51 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Well, silverbowlshiner may be right, and best hold our suspicions until another show...........
We really don't expect 30 songs in the book to choose from and play 20 every night, we'd be happy with 17 or 18 played and one or two different every night. However, we keep going back to the Nostradamus prophecies, those sure sounded like one more tour to gather our strengh, aka, cash, to pursue future endeavors, or something like that?
If this whole tour consists of of 15 songs and done.......I guess we'll try not to be negative.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:34:54 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater...
Mark and Marie:
Yes, the review is real...here's the link....
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/music/reviews/article_display.jsp?&rid=9163&imw=Y
I cut and pasted it onto the Blue...the only thing I did was correct the spelling of DF's last name, which the reviewer got wrong...
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:34:37 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
jeez guys, your all being ultra-sensative about these first few shows. I've been a fan of bands that have gotten worse concert reviews than that and everything turned out ok. your all quick to write off the entire tour five shows in, several of which were festival sets.
if the Fri and Sat sets are the same then disregard this post
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:32:33 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater...
..I just wanted to give my two cents after posting the review from the Hollywood Reporter...I'm sure everyone would want to see a longer show, and maybe we just have to wait and see...it's early...
My guess is that for the festival shows in Memphis and New Orleans, the band doesn't get a soundcheck, so maybe they are still working on some things. I'm also guessing that there are a lot of factors that we don't know about that affect the length of the shows, etc., especially the casino shows.
Fife mentioned earlier that all the travel, etc., must take a toll on everyone involved. For more on that subject, I thought I would supply a link to a blog that is written by a gent named Dave Rat, the sound mixer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers...
http://www.ratsound.com/blognav.htm
I can't say I'm a big fan of RHCP, but the blog is certainly worth a look...lots of amusing anecdotes, techno info for gear sluts, and a good collection of pictures. Some interesting things that have been on the blog: the RHCP decide their set list about an hour (or less) before each night's show...and recently, Dave Rat posted a link to comments from fans in New Zealand, who expressed wildly differeing opinions about playing the same stuff vs. deep cuts...it's worth a look at this blog for a closer look into a world that many of us can only speculate about.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:28:59 ET
Posted by: Collect Call For Donald & Walter, Will You Except The Charges?
STEELY DAN 2007 - THE "PHONE IT IN" TOUR
You can expect more of the same type of reviews as the tour goes on.
Oh how I long for shows like San Diego and Soboba 2006. Damn what
a difference a year makes.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:24:10 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Whoa! SteelyDoc, is that Hollywood Reporter post legitimate? The most painful review I have ever read of the Steely Dan shows. It really cut into the heat of the discussion. Maybe the gig is up after all?
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 19:07:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater...
...this review just in from The Hollywood Reporter...the trade industry magazine for the film/TV/music/entertainment business...
Steely Dan
Bottom Line: More pretzel logic from mercurial duo.
By Deborah Wilker
May 10, 2007
Hard Rock Live, Hollywood, Fla.
Tuesday, May 8
With its sturdy classic-era catalog and hip pedigree, famed studio collective Steely Dan has emerged in recent years -- somewhat surprisingly -- as one of the concert industry's go-to heritage acts. Although consistently dogged by the rap that they've never been particularly scintillating onstage, the band can (on the right night) actually be terrific in concert and in fact has another long summer itinerary mapped out -- all through the U.S., Europe, Asia, and Australia, including five nights at New York's Beacon Theatre during the next four weeks.
Yet while Tuesday's tour launch at the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Fla., had its moments, it was at best only an intermittently satisfying evening and not even close to the jaunty performance the guys put on at this very venue just nine months ago during their '06 summer run.
On this new trek, such hits as "Hey Nineteen," "Black Cow," "Do It Again" and "Dirty Work" seemed to have been bathed in molasses, rendering them oddly sluggish. Less melodic tunes such as "Two Against Nature" and "Green Earrings" also left the crowd restless, while unnecessarily illuminating the vocal limitations of frontmen Donald Fagen and Walter Becker.
The reception was considerably warmer for the wistful "Time Out of Mind," "Peg," "Josie" and "My Old School." A boisterous "Bodhisattva" brought the show to a firm climax -- but also a strange end. As Fagan and Becker left the stage, band members lingered with a jazzy coda, implying, it seemed, that the inevitable encores ("Rikki Don't Lose That Number," "Reelin' in the Years," maybe?) were to come. Yet after a long vamp, the house lights were suddenly on, the too-brief 90-minute set surprisingly over.
With 2003's "Everything Must Go" providing enough potent latter-day material to weave between the oldies, this is an act that doesn't have to toy with arrangements in a bid to seem current -- or hurry offstage because they're out of stuff.
For that matter, where were the lustrous "Pearl of the Quarter," "Deacon Blues," "FM," "Aja," "The Boston Rag," "The Royal Scam" and on and on? With tickets at $100-plus in many cities, every set ought to be meaty. If Steely Dan wants to continue as a summer workhorse for concert companies chasing the last of the boomer bucks, it will have to up its dependability quotient. Otherwise, they're just those quirky studio guys from the '70s.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 18:31:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thanks Zombie, and BTW I'm also pretty good at impotent narcissistic maudlin rage.
That haunting One by One lyric was actually penned by Woody Guthrie. Tweedy then replaced the rather mundane folk chord progressions with some stuff that moved around a little more.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 18:25:07 ET
Posted by: angel,
Little Wild One said: And everyone slept with Geoff!
Say what? I missed that.
--
Hey Robert and Laurie! I still get compliments on the tee shirt from Chumash. I wore it on Saturday to acknowledge a new tour starting and I had 2 or 3 people compliment it. :-)
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 17:49:29 ET
Posted by: zombiewoof, georgia
Nice reprise of One x Wu-
Don, Walt and Jeff would all be proud..
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 17:46:07 ET
Posted by: Doctor Phil Osophical, My Mind ... and yours if you let me
The only question is of course:
"Do you see the shows as half-full or half-empty?"
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 17:44:51 ET
Posted by: Doctor Phil Osophical, My Mind ... and yours if you let me
The only question is of course:
"Do you see the shows as half-full or half-empty?"
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 17:35:20 ET
Posted by: silverbowlshiner, gainesville, fla
I'm betting house money they change up the setlist for this weekend's shows.
relax.
they have just been 'gettin their groove on' so far with these first few shows. plus, the grumbling has gotten so severe they have to have been made aware of it by now. you really think they are going to keep doing the same setlist night after night?
they would go mad..and so would we
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 17:29:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I'll whine if I want to
If not here, where? Forget whining, girlfriend, howz about some real downright pissing, moaning, crying and wallowing in misery, blues and shameless self pity? Wanna? OK, lets...
Hit it:
One by one my teardrops fall longing for WU
One by one my words fall on the page
One by one my dreams fade in the twilight
One by one my hopes fade fast away
One by one the flowers whither in my garden
One by one the leaves fall from the trees
One by one my hopes vanish in the clouds dear
One by one like snowflakes melting on the breeze
One by one my hair is turning gray
One by one dreams fade fast away
One by one I read these setlists over
One by one I lay them all away
One by one the days are slipping up behind us
One by one the sweetest days of life go by
One by one the moments steal from out behind you
One by one they'll come and find neither you nor I
One by one I hear the promises you whispered
One by one I feel music soft and sweet
One by one I hope you'll say the words WU dear
One by one I know it will never be.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 16:53:06 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Cheez quit your whining eh. So what if they play a few songs we've heard before. Don't you listen to those same songs at home? The thing that's always been a big draw for me to SD is I always here something new. Perhaps it's that I have muscians ear and seem to catch subtle nuances here and there and more so at the live shows. Don't go if you think your not going to enjoy it. I'm pretty sure Don and Walt would prefer you stay home instead of sitting in the audience with a sour puss cause they didn't play WU.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 15:48:16 ET
Posted by: Steve, Rochester
Hello Dannies (DanHeads?),
It sure is fun to have shows on the horizon. I am as happy as the rest of you knowing I will soon be with close friends enjoying some of my favorite music performed live by some of the best musicians around. I confess that I am not a regular here at the bluebook but I have dropped by a few times, if only to claim that I got the news.
I have read with interest the views, pro and con, on the set list our heroes are playing. I would like to weigh in.
First I want to say that I count myself lucky having caught the Dan bus at the beginning of its second ride. Only 9 years old when they first toured so I missed the shows of the early 70s. My first show was Donald’s NY Rock and Soul Review and in the 16 years since I have seen Steely Dan at least once each tour. I've seen them at large and small venues, from Saratoga Springs, NY, to Concord, CA to Canada, at the Beacon, at state fairs, in the desert and in the mountains.
The sets got shorter each tour.
Now, I really enjoy the shows but the truth is the truth. You can not see them open a show with The Boston Rag, and then open a second set with The Royal Scam, both performed with all the crystal clarity and perfection of the well worn tunes they do nightly, and not long for that experience again. The bottom line is that those moments are the ones that make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. It takes deep cuts or tunes you have not seen live to do that. I’m tired of knowing what’s coming.
I think the aggravation that fans (true fans) feel when a set does not change is not so much that they don’t like the show. Walt and Don always put on a good show. But if the chance of one of these epic show stopper tunes is not a possibility then I for one will not be going to more than one show. Peg is good, so is Josie, so is Hey 19, so is Time out of Mind, so is Dirty Work, so is Kid C, and My Old School and Bodi and FM. But every night?
The venues they are playing are small, aprox 2500 seats. Conservatively then, if we figure the average tic price is $75.00, then that’s a 190k gate for each show, x 66 shows = over 12 million. Yeah, I know, they have to pay the band and the huge costs in travel but they will make some nice cash this summer. They should be bringing 30 - 35 different tunes with them out on the road, not 20!
That’s just my take.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 15:31:37 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
We think the last two posts hit it on the head. We know we were promised by DF last year - a "bigger book", but guess the boys changed their mind. 15 tunes is awfully thin. Glad the bluebook is here to vent. We're still holding tickets for 5 shows, but if there's no hope of adding a couple of more tunes, we may be inclined to drop out of at least one. And as far as DF saving his voice, we say let the girls and Walt sing a couple more!
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 15:11:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They must be sick to death of most of these numbers. And no, we'll never get different setlists, even for a Beacon run. I was told during the 2YK that they were capable of laying into anything in their catalogue. But be able to and wanting to must be very different things. The folks overseas haven't seen them in 7 years, they'll be plenty thrilled with this selection but for the hardcore US faithful, alas, this seems to be our fate at present.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 15:03:57 ET
Posted by: Set List, Sux!!
"Do It Again" seems to refer to Don & Walt's insistance on regurgitating the same concert set list year after year after year. Come on guys, this is ridiculous!! I can't believe that two of the most talented songwriters & studio perfectionists of the last 35 years can be satisfied performing the same songs night after night, tour after tour.
Let's face it, the '93 & '94 tours were GREAT!! The kind of stuff worth writing about on the blue! Each tour contained two sets, close to 30 songs, plenty of solo Don & Walt, and deep cuts!
Didn't Don state somewhere in an interview earlier this year that this tour was gonna include some solo stuff from both of them & deeper cuts? What happened?
I can understand playing the hits for the casual fan (Peg, Josie, Deacon, 19, Rikki, etc.), and I'm OK w/ that, but if they're gonna throw-in some deep cuts (Monkey, TAN, Janie), HOW ABOUT SOME NEW ONES!!, especially since the casual fan's not gonna know them anyway!
For $100, we should get something more than recycled tours!
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 14:38:17 ET
Posted by: Aja1,
Does anyone really expect to get different set lists different nights? As far as I've ever experienced, they play the same songs every single night. I love'em, but it is frustrating. I was amazed that the MTC tour had slight variances from show to show, but I've never seen that with SD. Maybe some of you have seen otherwise?
What bugs me is that this exact band basically recorded the last two albums and MTC, so rehearsing shouldn't be an excuse.
I guess what I was most disheartened to hear that there are no EMG or MTC songs on this years' set list.
Oh well, see you in Wallingford and maybe Boston. 2VN will have to suffice for new stuff.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 14:32:15 ET
Posted by: Waiting, Bonita Springs
New Orleans sucked.
Hollywood sucked
Ft. Meyers sucked.
Not much else to say.
Do these guys ever plan on freshening the set list?
Are they going to play the same set list two nights in a row at that double date venues? The Beacon?
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 14:09:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh, yeah, that was them. That was a good cover. That's probably as close as they'll come. Best Donald shot was the Nightfly get up as Lester. Looked like a different person entirely. The back of Kamkiriad was odd, what was that man-purse he was toting? He doesn't seem accessorize well. Morph looked like a study in depression. And Walter on Whack looked the part.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 13:55:10 ET
Posted by: Kind spirit,
Some say that Don and Walt's shadowy silhouettes are on 2VN. Does that count?
We had an interesting discussion regarding these figures in the Green room one night.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 13:35:58 ET
Posted by: billfrompgh, again,
Speaking of playing cards and our decider-in-chief, we actually own this deck: http://yque.com/gebuindrplca.html.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 13:29:51 ET
Posted by: BillFromPgh,
>They've never appeared on an album cover, have they?
Not an official SD release. They're on all the solo's and some of the grey-market stuff like "Early Years."
Unless you count the five wraiths on CTE - the record company apparently did.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 13:07:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I was thinking more Bush & Chaney [rimshot]...oops...ma bad, sorry!
That would make nice album cover for D&W, though. They've never appeared on an album cover, have they?
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 12:46:40 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
I wonder if Don & Walt's mugs are on the Jokers on the deck of cards.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 12:34:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Geoff's a big man-whore, completely unconscionable. A bounder of the first stripe. The unmitigated cad, no woman is safe around him and those big white teeth comin atcha like a 500 watt bulb. LaRue steps out. He could be the central character in 2ndA.
There's nothing more disheartening for a performer than a dead crowd. It just takes the wind out of your sails no matter how stoked you are. Conversely, a terrfic crowd can lift you up from the slough of despond. Hated Tuesdays and Wednesdays in my theatre days. Crickets, you could hear crickets. But a rock n roll crowd is usually pretty animated. Sometimes people don't realize they can have a good time, yell and scream and jump up and deliver the ultimate orgasmic experience, the standing O. Few things are more exciting than that. Unless of course you're bangin ol' Geoff.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 12:32:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
I thought it was Rajah who sang too loud/long
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 12:31:55 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
They've got the goods for this tour on the SD web site:
http://www.steelydan.com/tour07merch1.html
I'm thinking the pink t-shirt will suit me fine! Though I'm also leaning towards the jacket.
Can't wait!
Fife
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 12:09:01 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, no regrets
I thought we had a passed out body...oh, wait. That was Saturday night. Several of them if memory serves me....
But we did almost have a fallen security guard, I suppose.
And everyone slept with Geoff!
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 11:57:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
B-Bo, that party reminded me of the 60s, all it needed was a passed out body in the hall or two. I was waiting for somebody to pull out a bong fashioned from an orange. Don't eat the brown blotter, man.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 11:54:57 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Rockingest town EVER (well, more than Ft. Myers, anyway)
The countdown to the Orlando show continues. Just a little more than 48 hours now.
D-danman, read your post about the Ft. Myers show. First, I was pleased to hear that the Yahel trio is a good opener. I figured that Fagen and Becker did a little more than scour the local paper for a garage band that had just played the Winston Jr. High morning assembly, but I confess my prior ignorance as to Yahel, et.al. Was curious as to what to look forward to and now I'll go into it with a slightly open mind (and ear).
On the flip side, I was disappointed to hear about the reaction of the crowd. I do think that it being a Wednesday night had something to do with it. Though the fanbase is clearly a bit older than your average crap rock band's, I think most of us still go to the salt mines 5 days a week to earn a buck and getting loosey goosey for a Wednesday night show... tough. The Orlando show of course is on Saturday and should be a more libations-enhanced group.
At least I hope so. I am convinced that the band, as jaded as they might be after so many shows over the last few years, still feeds off of crowd energy and maybe you get just a little bit more out of them when they know they are being appreciated.
Thanks for the post.
LG
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 11:19:31 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, uh-oh.......Gus, you've Jogged the Memories.
And,
Sorry I sang too loudly at that damned-ol' resort hotel...I'll never stop feeling guilty about getting us "busted," on my first and only-since trip to California...my bad, fellas. ((But LWO made me do it.))
There. I feel a little better. And (Special Added Bonus!!): I'll shut up for a while, now. Cazart!
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 11:13:40 ET
Posted by: Yeah right, ..
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 11:08:35 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, ((from the Minors' Station))
Hey Y'all,
Wow, Gus, you've made me kinda proud...Chumash WAS a wonderful, wonderful thing--I've declined from "gushing" about it, because, hey--not a lot of us made it out there, and you and I are "minor" in this here club, as it were, and okay-fine; I'll play that part. But thanks for 'membering me, pard. I sure-as-fuck remember you, too. SO many great people at the Chumash gig, for me. It is a cherished memory in my middling-to-short lifespan, thus far. And I have three dozen PRICELESS stories from the whole pageant/debacle that was CHUMASH/HEAVY ROLLERS '07, but I'll save 'em until there's less to read and write and think about, here on the Blue.
So far, though, maybe (just maybe, mind ya): quite possibly my BEST Danfest experience, ever. And I didn't even get to bring out the hardware, not even once....though the double helix hung high. Love and Peace to you, man, and thanks, again.
And for you kids feelin' bad about being excluded from this or that particular Danfest "dealy," listen: it just ain't possible...if these fine folks will hang with ME, they'll hang with YOU, too. Sacred Promise, okay? Just get in touch, and say hello, y'know? Nothin' but coolness among us real-life, real-time Danners. Right? Right. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 09:52:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
The Dean
I hope your Bro can make the show but if not you have a great one. You deserve it...everyone does
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 07:29:34 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
The one thing I love about going to live shows is the rush I feel afterwards. It keeps my adrenline pumping and my endorphines flowing, a very wonderful experience and no cocaine needed. I would imagine that working in that enviroment would create the same thing and to do it night after night would become exhausting. I only say this because I worked for many years in an industry that was high stress and if you didn't put out good product you were slammed. So perhaps having a shorter play list keeps all in the band relatively sane considering the amount of dates they are doing. The other factor is travelling, I know that even though I love to do it, it wears a body down.
13 days and counting WHOOHOO!!
GO SENS GO hoping to kick some Buffalo butt tonight!
Fife
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 06:18:46 ET
Posted by: tito, Estero, FL
d danman, you are right on about the Ft. Myers show. What got me about this show was that they used the house lights and sound..proving that the talent and equip. is here..it needs to be used. They did bring in the monitor system, but they tied in to the house sound.
The drummer for the opening act was worth the price of admission. I wasn't able to make out his name, and it was mentioned twice.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 04:19:23 ET
Posted by: hollywood,
in reference to the comment about them playing more if the crowd was more electric, the hollywood crowd was quite lively, and we got the same thing. becker even christened us with the "you're a great fuckin crowd" remark.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 02:39:11 ET
Posted by: silverbowl shiner, gainesville, florida
hello all,
just wanted to say hello to everyone with this being my first post around here-I'm going to the Sat Orlando show [my first SD show] and have been checking around here for setlists, reviews ext.
would have to say i'm slightly surprised by the length of the sets so far but maybe they are just warming up, i'm sure they will put on a great show regardless of how many tunes they do.
anyways, looking forward to seeing my Danhead brother and sisters around HRC Orlando Sat afternoon, it should be a fab night. Sat shows are always hot ones, everybody is a bit livelier. or just lit up more than usual.
here's to hoping for King of the World [long shot I know] or Aja [man, would love to see that drum solo] or has Rikki been retired for some reason?
how about IGY? I love that tune?
what about Maxine?
haha see ya
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 01:43:55 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, assisting with packing
You're welcome, LWO. BTW, that quote is by Stan Laurel in "Sons of the Desert" (1933). Some personal Danfest benefits: After talking with Angel at the Chumash Danfest about the 06 San Diego show I re-read her review and realized that San Diego probably had a Soboba-quality show without the unpleasant aspects of Soboba (which aside from Steely Dan was frankly just about everything). For us it was academic since our schedule permitted Soboba but precluded San Diego. Another thing was seeing Denise's "TvN" sign at Chumash, which I would have almost certainly missed without having met her at the Danfest. Perhaps that was the impetus for its inclusion in the recent shows; who knows? I doubt that we will ever get an official confirmation, as that would lead to people shaving "WU" into their chest hair, but it is nonetheless tantalizing to ponder.
GW
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 01:34:32 ET
Posted by: A very disapointing Danner, miami beach
13 songs + 2 encores ! It's clear they are doing it for the money. They are clearly ruling the world and their fans.
Conclusion? You wanna see them live? Stay at home and put on your TvN dvd on.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 01:07:24 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, I'm a believer
Well, you know. Some shows are more electric than others. It's kind of like my 9-9...some days I leave the energetic soldier, others I want to lie in a ditch and await my fate.
Which reminds me. Those who thought Soboba last summer was hot, should have been in NO on Sunday. HFS.
The first handful of shows have historically appeared to be dedicated to getting the groove down. LWO2 got a Ouiji board for her birthday yesterday. I'll consult it for set list changes anon.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Gus. We are the faithful, the disciples of Dandom. Better? I dunno. Stupid? Perhaps. Loyal? To a fault.
As for me, I'd rather build a bridge of understanding than televize the revolution.
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 00:25:37 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance today, Mohegan soon
Eddie, I am compelled to respond to Hoops' statement that "no one meant harm" from the perspective of my own experience at my first Danfest (Chumash) after 9 previous SD concerts. After meeting Robert, Laurie, Denise, Rajah, Gretchen, Bobbo, Angel, Hoops, Ed, LWO, and all the others, I found everyone to be friendly, generous, interesting, and informative. Perhaps this adds up to "Better" to use Rajah's recently posted term, but no one is in any way snobbish about it. That attitude is not even on the radar screen; everyone is just there to have a good time. To me this collectively could be defined as "inclusive" if one chose to do so, but more correctly I think as the absence of exclusivity. So I hope there are no hard feelings; I look forward to meeting you at Mohegan.
Regards,
GW
"Life isn't short enough"
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 00:19:37 ET
Posted by: d danman, sign off
anyhow...don't let some idiot non musical folks ruin your Dan Experience...if you don't know how to dan dance, don't fake it...sit in the back rows and shut the fuck up...or go home...i'm going to clearwater hoping for a better experience...see you there, I'll be the one dancing with my wife up front
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 00:14:24 ET
Posted by: d danman, ftm
I think Don is like you say... he did look over at me... with almost an angst look...walter seemed affected too...the Dan Dance was not prevalent here...just tell me that there are people who can't help but dance to these faboulous sliky grooves
somebody needs to take a FL avocado to the show for WB to sign
Date: Thurs, May 10, 2007, 00:08:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
d-danman, wow, that's really disapointing about the crowd. The setlist was super short, but I understand Donald has to pace himself if he's to make it through this world tour. Fragile genius. Donald has shown himself to be super-senitive about crowd reaction. Funny though, innit, the hard seamless exoskeleton he projects and the sensitive inner core he just can't seem to hide. Or maybe it makes perfect sense. The very best performers I've ever worked with or witnessed were introverts masquerading as extroverts. So it seems with our favorite son, Donald Fagen. Donald's more susceptible to fits and starts of emotion than my prom date in 1972, you should have seen her look of terror as I went for her crinolines. Maybe it was the crushed velvet tuxedo with the mile-wide lapels coming at her what did it. Don's like that, I think.
Dean, you're a good brother.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 23:42:52 ET
Posted by: d danman, old fart myers last call
i hope that SD doesn't have to play through another show where everyone is not up off the asses and dancing they really were incredible tonight but where was the crowd???? Hope W & D's psyche aren't affected...prove FTM wrong and get up for your show...right???
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 23:32:20 ET
Posted by: d danman, OFM
I think if the crowd would have responded to the music (great, clean too, the hall's acoustics were incredible) that SD would have played more, but it was unbelievable how it went down...I'm guessing that if the crowd actually stands up during the performance that the band would have responded with more music...like I said, it really was embarrasing...it seemed like no one actually knew the music...
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 23:23:46 ET
Posted by: Marrk&Marie, NJ
Yikes!!!! Just to a look at the ole ft myers playlist, 13 plus 2 encore. Seems like this tour's shows are shorter than last year when playing with McMike. Recall reading a DF interview last year, maybe it was posted here on the blue? Anyway, as the story went, DF pined that the band didn't have enough time during sound check ( because Mike and his gang had to sound check too) and couldn't expand the set list but that next year (fyi - that's this tour) they'd have a "bigger book". Does anyone recall this? Again, these shows are getting shorter and shorter. Maybe old age? Maybe senility of past promises?
Here's hoping that the play list can get up to 16 or 17 by the time the Beacon rolls around!
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 23:11:02 ET
Posted by: d danman, old FM
p.s. Sam Yahel Trio actually rocked...has anyone ever hear of Brian Auger and the Oblivion Express??? similar tones, changes, well worth the sit while eveyone else was getting stuck in the drink line...very talented trio, the drummer was damn serious about his music...dark smokey NY club sound with a whole lot of genius...possibly a future avocado farmer (rancher) just kidding, I think Walt sees the brialliance of Sam..p.s. carolyn & cindy gave me a nice smile as they were finishing Boddisatva
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 22:57:28 ET
Posted by: d danman, fort myers
Wow. I'm already home from the SD concert in Old Fart Myers....can't beleive that the crowd actually sat through the whole show, and finally got up durning the Jazz Outro...embarassing frankly. Exact same set list from last night, but I guarantee that Hollywood Hard Rock actually got off their asses and danced...
here goes:
Jeri (intro with everyone except W & D)
2VN
Bad Sneakers
TOOM
Janie runaway
Hey 19
Monkey in your soul (WB sings)
Peg
Black Cow (not really that slow)
Green Earrings (definitely a highlight, everyone still sitting)
DW (girls, thought this might give a rise, no luck)
Josie (people will shurly get up for this one, NOT!!!!)
Do It Again (some chord twists)
Kid Charlemange
My Old School (some singing along, still everyone sitting)
Bodhesattva (same, unbelievable, we were the only ones at the stage)
Jazz Out (finally everyone got up, thought since D & W left something was happening...)
Highlight...I got a pick from Jon H. after the jazz outro... no one even went for it, we were the only ones up at the stage at the ending...people in the 1st row were still bitching about us dancing...unbelievable that they were still sitting... I guess SD will never come back to Old Fart Myers...it was really embarrasing
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 21:43:19 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Currently in St Augustine Beach, searching for the Manatee Bar
Thanks, Gator
I just sent you an email.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 21:25:13 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Organized Chaos
Dean,
Hope you can make the show. Danfests are free and no sign up necessary, though to get info you just need to go to the Danfest page. Look a few posts below from hoops and he gives the link to Danfests page. Toggle down to Orlando and click. The Florida shows are listed and a Danfest for Orlando is posted. We are having a Danfest at Margaritaville around 6:30 or so. Details are there. Hope you can make it and email me if you want additional info.
P.S. Tix seem hard to come by right now. This show sold out in 20 minutes. I've been watching Ticketmaster for the last few days as sometimes they dump some of the promo tix back into the public last minute. I got better seats last year to the Tampa show doing that, about 3 or 4 days out. But so far nothing.
On Ebay you might be able to find a standing room only ticket. If you are by yourself, that shouldn't be too bad and you can get reasonably close in that venue.
LG
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 21:11:40 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I've always loved Donald's banter, I guess I have a great fondness for cheese.
On to other business, I've got a couple of very casual Danfest meets up my sleeve for Atlantic City and the Beacon show on the 21st of May. I've sent e-mails to Hoops with all the details but if any of you out there are hot to trot send me an e-mail.
Fife
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 20:54:30 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Currently in St Augustine Beach, searching for the Manatee Bar
It's been a while sinde I've checked in. Good to see (well, mostly good) little has changed.
Althouth I'm a veteran of many Dan shows, I may be able to make my first Danfest in Orlando on Saturday.
Sorry for the rookie question, but is there anything I need to do? Sign up? Buy a ticket?
I won't know, for sure, if I'll be able to attend until Friday as it depends on if my disabled brother plans to attend with me. He is a life-long professional musician who is having some bad times, health-wise. As he has never seen the Dan, and because he's my bro, he comes first. I doubt he'll be up for the trip, so I plan to grab a ticket off of craig's list (or through the ticket exchange here) and hit O-Town solo Saturday afternoon.
Again, soory this is such a lame post, any advice and such is appreciated.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 20:12:40 ET
Posted by: Mister P, Ft. Liquordale
Thought about last night's show all day..10th time seeing the Don et. al....Yes, it was short, but spending some time out of mind is kind of immeasurable...Can't believe some folks didn't get their groove on...Those are the same people who would complain that their orgasm wasn't "good"...The band was tight, the acoustics were near-perfect, and Becker's licks sounded as good as ever..
HOWEVER -
Although the set list contained some delectible "new" goodies ( 2vN , BS ), Fagen's patter was as old as some of the audience... Such a gifted Bard needs to update the prose occasionally...
OTHERWISE -
I'll be seeing them again this Saturday in Orlando...The 11th time is a charm! ( 12 if I count NY Rock & Soul Revue!! )
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 17:48:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Seriously now, Donald should not be doing intros and banter and stuff. Walter is a natural as the MC. Beautiful speaking voice. Plus Don is prone to come out with just weird stuff, I've seen it too many times. He should be the silent genius...that's his best role.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 17:32:53 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Raj- I wonder why they have dropped "Walter" from doing the Hey 19
break? I was new and fresh both nights and really added to making Friant and Chumash such a blast this past January. Steely Dan in
January? Who would of thunk. Man, January seems like suck a long time ago. Exit, stage left even.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 17:03:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm reminded of the comment Walter made at that casino in Friant last January. He stepped to the mic as the band did the diminuendo vampy thing on, was it Hey 19...anyway, it went something like, "...so, you're the folks who came out on a Wednesday night in January to a place pretty much in the middle of nowhere...oh you ARE the wonderful ones, aren't you?"
That was really nice now that I think about it. The point is they certainly know who their hardcore fans are, they know we're maybe a little more knowledgable than the regular knuckle-draggers, a little more loyal, more discerning, oh fuckit, we're just BETTER, aren't we, let's face it. No false modesty, yeah we are. Plus we're willing to shell out heinous quantities of green to see them for 85 minutes. Maybe that makes us not so smart after all, maybe that makes us chumps actually but we love these songs, we love their precision, we love their craftsmanship. These tunes ain't weak, the band is the bomb diggety, they are the shit, Murgatroid.
And yes we are the wonderful ones and Walter was genuinely grateful for us. And we were a great audience for them. Now get out there and bitch and moan and scream till you're blue in the face for Dr. Wu and whatever the hell else. They know what we want and they know darn well we ain't gettin it. On with the show, deposit 200.00 cash at the window and consider ourselves lucky there even is a Steely Dan. Play that FM whiteboys and bravo to the wonderful chumps.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 16:36:58 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Whoaaa....
From my last post, you can tell I am writing reports today.
In a nutshell:
Please be sure to discuss Danfest plans on the Danfest lists before posting them here. Otherwise you are leaving a lot of people out.
Have a great time.
Jim
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 15:46:21 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Eddie:
Thanks for writing here and in private email. Your concerns are legitimate but there are also some other considerations for the full picture.
The reasons behind the Danfests are multi-fold. But one is to get people together in person. I always find have real contact helps make for much better interchanges here and in other forums. So the idea case is to get as many together in one place as possible. That's why we have it.
The other thing is the Danfest site and associated lists. The idea is to reduce confusion, build comradery and seek input from all while not boring folks who outside a particular region with minute details of the planning process. You are very correct, the planning and consensus ideally should take place on the Danfest list associated with the particular Danfest.
That said, the overall gestault of things this year is a little different than the Danfests of circa 1996, 2000 or 2003. To begin with the shows themselves have sort of an express vibe to them--somehow it's not the full push we used to get when albums like EMG or 2vN came out. Then there is the fact, I've been behind in getting the registry up.
I'm certain no one meant harm by listing the Danfest as they did. Some are relatively new to the Danfest scene for example. So there has to be some flexibility. Then there is the fast approaching nature of some of these Danfests--so that's why some corners are cut.
But really, if you are discussing a Danfest, I ask your support by holding the majority of discussion on the Danfest list for the show and minimally here. That way others are included. The benefit is other fans are newly brought into the community of Dandom.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests
Jim
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 15:40:44 ET
Posted by: heymike, chicago
It's Bushes fault.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 14:59:06 ET
Posted by: Eddie,
I will say that this board isn't nearly as harsh as the yellow and is the best of them all. I asked St Al about why his board was so harsh. Found out St Al actually encourages all the flaming and baiting they have there. St Al doesn't even seem to care there is a tour.
A lot of Steely Dan places are harsh. My take is some fans confuse hurling insults being on par with the razor sharp wit of Becker and Fagen.
We just wanted our opinions taken into account.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 14:30:13 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Jim Puke - You paid for Sam Yahel when you bought your ticket, so you may as well check him out. He's a real talented guy, from what I've heard he can be a little understated, but he plays some very tasty stuff. Check out his website, it's linked from the Steely Dan page, to hear some of his stuff. One thing's for sure, there will be no nightly Motown medlies.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 14:15:32 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, I will survive...
Tours always bring out the trolls. Don't feed 'em, as Jim is fond of saying.
As for multiple Danfests planned for one show, it doesn't really matter who you're with or where, the key is to celebrate the things you know and love with those of your kind. I have never met anyone here who purposely wished to exclude someone. The more the merrier has always been the rule.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 13:46:57 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Regarding the Mohegan quasi danfest, we will go wherever we are told! Just let us know. We're coming from Jersey and really don't know our way around :)
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:36:44 ET
Posted by: Scam, ,
Eddie/Not My Blue - I just did a search of the past six months and I see no posts by Eddie or Lucky's as a Danfest location.
I suspect Eddie IS NYBill trying disrupt things again.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:23:54 ET
Posted by: angel,
It's been a hard atmosphere here for years. We continue to post, in spite of it. When we meet in person at a concert, that's usually the first topic brought up. Like survivors from a war zone.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:22:50 ET
Posted by: tito, Estero, FL
This is my first time here..but if there's anyone reading who's attending tonight's show at the Barbara B Mann in Ft. Myers, meet us at Bistro 41 in Bell Tower at 5.
PS - sound check is at 5 also....
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:21:09 ET
Posted by: Jim Puke,
You're are not my blue- If you don't like it here go to St Al's. You can hang out with Clas and NY Bill.
Boston Rag- I'm not sitting through an "organ trio" either. Not much of a chance that they will be "the next big thing". So I'm really not worried.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:09:13 ET
Posted by: You're not my Blue, away
EDDIE- I couldn't agree more. This place has changed a lot over the past year or so. It used to be a fun community, now it's about a core group of people grandstanding, posing, or slamming whom they consider to be "outsiders" now that they have taken over the place. Who wants to party with these people?
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:04:12 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Hi Eddie,
Did not mean to exclude anyone. A few of us decided to get together, and I checked with Hoops to see if anything else was being planned. He said no, go ahead and send out an e-mail, which I did. Actually tried not to steamroll over other people's plans. Sorry if we did just that. Where we meet is irrelevant to me: if you want to open it up for debate on the blue, go ahead.
Denise
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:34:33 ET
Posted by: Come the the hell on, please
Please give us.Gina WU pixeleen jack of speed change it up some more.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:33:21 ET
Posted by: Eddie,
It's nice some of you here have decided where we will be having our Mohegan Dan Fest without including us. I guess some people think they matter more than others of us.
However, know that some of us already made plans to meet at Lucky's. If you plan to join us please let me know.
Maybe people will be more inclusive next time. I thought all conversation took place on the Dan Fest lists.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:20:49 ET
Posted by: Pepe, won't you sign in stranger?
Man, this is a tough crowd.....
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:06:35 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
From over here in the UK, the set list looks fine (of course we've had nothing since 2000) - TvN is an audacious start and it will be interesting to see what is added once they get to their own full length shows.
Personally I am hoping for a couple of solo tracks plus Dr Wu, Pixaleen, Glamour Profession and Everyone's Gone to the Movies.
The UK has one outdoor and two indoor shows so we should get the full whack.
As far as being fashionably late, I have to be early (so I won't be late and miss anything) and after seven years its probably advisable.
We nearly got caught out by Prefab Sprout once who were supposed to be on at 8.00pm and at 7.55pm came the announcement that they would be on in five minutes - nearly choked on my coffee and dog!
And what a great show that was!
Enjoy the shows boys and girls
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:01:19 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Pleased
Orlando show in 3.5 days!! I am pleased to hear they put Black Cow into the show and that the crowd responded approvingly. That has always been one of my personal favorites and I'd like to hear that one. Wouldn't mind if they left Godwhacker off the setlist to do it. The song is clever and the melody is nice, but BC is a standard Dan tune that we all know and the crowd can fully enjoy.
Hope folks coming up for the show from South Florida can make it by the for the Danfest!
Regards,
LG
P.S. Those going to the Ft. Myers or Atlanta shows, please do report in on the Sam Yahel angle. I sure hope it doesn't shorten the SD setlist at all.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 10:39:52 ET
Posted by: d danfan, fort myers
will post the setlist after the show tonight...venue only holds 1800 so should be very intimate...
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 10:37:45 ET
Posted by: d danfan, fot myers
Looks like Hollywood show shortened by 1 song...no Caves, Godwacker, or Babylon Sisters, but add Black Cow & My Old School...I hope they add back Caves & Babylon Sisters tonight, along with a 2 song encore!!!!!! Also, first night with Sam Yahel so that should be interesting...
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 10:27:34 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Don't be tardy
Yeah Zombie, it looks like being a beautiful person and showing up fashionably late just bit you in the ass. Don’t forget Steely Dan once opened for the Electric Light Orchestra and Jimi Hendrix once opened for The Monkees. Get to the $400 show on time. As Dr. Seuss would say…Oh, the things you’ll see.
Mark in Boston
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 10:00:15 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, FL
Zombie:
Maybe if you read you wouldn't have shown up late. There was never supposed to be an opening act. The tickets were just for "Steely Dan" and the website specifically outlined that that show would not have the opener. Hate to say, but your waste of money was your own fault. Show up on time next time around.
As for me, I would have liked to hear Caves or Godwhacker but whatever they play is fine. I'm heading up to the Orlando show Saturday as well.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 09:37:03 ET
Posted by: Pablo Escobar, Madiera Beach, FL
(Laughs at people who overpay for tickets)
So, I am assuming that the set is a 90min set? Nice. I personally, would like to hear West of Hollywood..but that's just me.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 09:17:31 ET
Posted by: Wha the fa?, yo
Hey SHA of Iran!
Can't you wait to see what their full show will be??? Dumb Ass!
Of course we all want them to do Wu, EMG, Pix, Charley Freek and Soul Ram, but they want to be popular too! And if that means they do Whipping Post, Smoke on the Water, and Stairway to Heaven - I say go for it!
Besides, it doesn't matter what they play as long as we get to hear Walt's innovative guitar work.
Wha
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 09:12:24 ET
Posted by: wormy, New Orleans driving up to Atlanta
I hope the casino shows are just a blip
They better damn play a 2 hour plus set in Atlanta for $88 + ticketbasturdia charges
I would really love to hear a Fagan solo cut in this setlist
and why not do a new Walt tune instead of Monkey
bring back Caves and Babylon
retire MOS, DIA, Bodi
insert Lunch w Gina, Dr Wu, Jack of Speed, etc
friday night, anyone going to be in Atlanta???
thanks
wormTom
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 09:02:12 ET
Posted by: Sha Na Na, follow the money
Hey Zeus!
¿ Don is still doing the "forget the name of the tequila" bit?! pathetic.
¿ Girls still singing DW - let them do WU - or something!!!!!!!
And they dumped the beautiful godwhacker?
TAN is fantastic, but its inclusion does not get you off the hook.
******* STEELY DAN - THE WORLD's GREATEST OLDIES ACT *************
Alas. Mary, shut the garden door.
SNN
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 08:56:51 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work
Suedave - can you believe it's happening next week already? Can't wait to see you there!
In 03 at the casino we all gathered around the bar in the center of the shopping mall near the waterfall. I hope to roll in there between 4:30 and 5:00 but I'll have to eat at sometime. I'll have my Jack of Speed shirt on - seems appropriate at the casino. I'll have a minor along and I know some of the bars and areas are restricted by age. 7:00 tee time for Thursday, 7:30 Friday. The former Oakdale has a nice inside and outside gathering area. Neither is really conducive to parking lot partying.
An 85 minute show without an intermission would seem unacceptable for the more traditional venues. We’ll all know by the end of next week.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 06:43:08 ET
Posted by: yo zombie, it was a casino show
zombie:
casino show = no opening act
check sd.com
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 06:09:49 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Steely dan 14th july north sea jazz festival in Rotterdam at 6.30pm till 7.45pm . That's correct.
That same night there's also Larry Carlton & Robben Ford about 9 pm.
That sounds good!!
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 04:35:31 ET
Posted by: ps, here
make that 18.30-19.45 hours
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 04:24:55 ET
Posted by: Rumpusella, North Sea Cruise
Steely Dan performs at North Sea Jazz, Saturday July 14th, 1900 hours.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 04:16:21 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
A 85 minutes show ? If you delete the two encores, you'll have a 75 minutes show (1 hour 15 min) what is corresponding exactly with the time they receive for their Jazzfestivalsconcerts.They can not present one minute more because that's the timelimit that the jazzfest organizers are imposing to the artists.
But concerning the no jazzfestconcerts it's quiet inacceptable to have such a super short show. Can you imagine to send all the Australien or European fans after 80 minutes?? That will be an artistic suicide!
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 03:01:06 ET
Posted by: zombie, Miami
The band sounded great at the Hard Rock. BUT, I figured on arriving for the last few songs of the opening act's set. Needless to say, I was stunned to see Steely Dan on stage.The opening act was cancelled, and management neglected to inform anyone. I guess the band had other places to be since I was told they started playing at 8:10. To make a long story not as long, me and my wife paid $400 to se a 45 minute show. Early arriving audience members were unhappy that they went to the effort to see a eighty five minute show. Imagine how livid I was! If you cancel the opening act two sets is a must. Anything less is a total screw job that disrespects long-time fans. Hey Steely Dan, if you are not into playing, why should we be paying ? As good as the band was this show is a rip off!!
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 01:20:58 ET
Posted by: wormy, N.O.
I really wanted to hear Caves and Babylon after seeing them on the Memphis setlist.
Everything Must NOT GO
play Greenbook or Lunch with Gina guys
the old warhorses KC, DIA, Bodi, GI, Peg, Josie, Hey 19 were well executed
I'd just prefer deeper cuts
don't play for the casual fan
give it up for "those down with the dan"
see you in Atlanta
worm tom
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 00:31:40 ET
Posted by: hollywood,
Boozgr8 where were you sitting?
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Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 00:27:57 ET
Posted by: Pablo Escobar, Madiera Beach, FL
Has anyone taped the shows so far?
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 00:27:01 ET
Posted by: hollywood,
damn, if they could have just thrown in babylon/caves and godwhacker in the middle of the second half of the setlist like they did the 1st show of the tour, i would have been a much happier man.
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 00:25:40 ET
Posted by: Boozgr8, Ft. Lauderdale
Set list is dead on. Also agree with comments about the show. It really seemed to take off when they played Black Cow. Of course, up to that point, half the crowd hadn't shown up. The band was exceptional. The fact they have been playing together for a while now is evident, they never miss a beat. I'll see them again in Orlando, and will be very happy to see a repeat of this performance.
Jazz Intro (Price Is Right Theme)
2 Against Nature
Bad Sneakers
Time Out Of Mind
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Monkey In Your Soul (Walter Becker Sings)
Peg
Black Cow
Green Earrings
Dirty Work (Girls Sing)
Josie (Band Intros)
Do It Again
Kid Charlemagne
Encore
My Old School
Bodhisattva
Jazz Outro
Date: Wed, May 09, 2007, 00:02:17 ET
Posted by: hollywood,
Hollywood Setlist (no Caves):
TAN
Bad Sneakers
TooM
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Walt on Monkey
Peg
BLACK COW
Green Earrings
Dirty Work (girls)
Josie (with band intros at end)
Do It Again
Kid CHar
Encores:
My Old School
Bodi
Highlight was Black Cow. It was even slower than the album version. Absolutely incredible. SD is the only band that can play a song slower live and make it better. I felt it took the band a couple songs to fire up. Things peaked at Green Earrings and then it was downhill from there.
I'll still complaining about the setlists. Thought the show last tour was better. But I'll still be buying tickets next time.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:59:27 ET
Posted by: oleander, slowly I turned....
fezo--
... the Boy King??? Did I miss something?? YOWIE! Pictures. Must have pictures.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:59:16 ET
Posted by: Sometimes it's all about, customer feedback
and just what is this cargo cult? curious.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:45:55 ET
Posted by: here we go again, sigh
Meet Cause and Effect -- the latest candidate for The Commissioner of the Cargo Cult, the Imam of Ideas of Reference
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:42:58 ET
Posted by: conspiracy theoristsabound, grassy knoll
Hey C&E
Your reaching way too deep into nothing special
LHO
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:12:55 ET
Posted by: bill, again,
On re-reading that quote, RLJ was talking about "Living It Up", a great song, but not the one I was thinking of. "We Belong Together" is real mellow for the first few verses (which to me recall a slowed-down "Reelin'"), then dramatically builds up with a very powerful drum fill. That's what I heard in my head with this story. "Living It Up" has a bunch of time signature, tempo and dynamic changes, much like RLJ's acknowledged influence Laura Nyro.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 23:08:28 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
From the same site with the 1999 SD interview, comes this anecdote from Rickie Lee Jones:
Q. An aspect that still astounds me about it to this day is that many of the songs, like "Pirates," "Living It Up" and "We Belong Together" are more like suites then songs - they have time shifts in them, the tempo kicks in and out. Hardly any songwriter, except maybe Zappa, has time shifts like that. Was it hard to get that sound and dynamic with a band? It's so delicate.
[Very softly] Yeah, it was. Really hard.
Q. How did you do it?
A. We just kept coming back again and again until I got it. "We Belong Together" was recorded about three times, I think. It took a long time. All of them were hard. We were doing "Living It Up" and it was going pretty well. And I liked to talk to [the musicians] about what the story was about, or the feeling of the song. And we were playing that song again and all of a sudden, I'm playing away, and I hear a big crash, and [Jeff] Porcaro has stuck his sticks through his snare! And he says, "Fuck this art shit!" [Laughter] And he stormed right out of the recording studio. [Laughs] Yeah, 'fraid so.
http://bluerailroad.com/archives/rickie_lee_jones_07a.html
Funny, IMO the goosebump moment in that song is when the drums kick in. Lotta SD influences and veterans on that whole album (Pirates).
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 22:43:18 ET
Posted by: Cause & Effect,
Chris NH et. al.
What makes you so sure TVN "mysteriously" appearing is coincidental?
Was Dr. Wu, Pixeleen, Walt suddenly doing vocals, Steely Dan touring "alone", getting rid of Mike Mc Donald and choosing a relatively unknown opening act, the disappearance of 5-Star All Access, Donald's use of a recent often used Bluebook term "deep cuts" in a recent interview, AND doing some serious changes to the setlist coincidental?
As I recall, Chris had about given up on the setlist, understandably as well as many others with their posts who recommended changes which have now appeared.
If there was a way to turn back the clock, it would be COOL to note just how many of these coincidences there have been...
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 18:53:44 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path
Babylon Sisters and Other Posthumans (2002)
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/d/paul-di-filippo/babylon-sisters.htm
And two of the short story titles on the guy's bibliography page at...
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/d/paul-di-filippo/
...are "Kid Charlemagne" (1987 & a Nebula nominee), and "Any Major Dude" (1991).
Must be a fan. The guy does a lot of book reviews for SciFiWeekly, but I only just found out about his "steely-ness".
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 18:23:35 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, still @ work
Bill - Donald was seated at the Rhodes for TvN. He played the melodica on Time and Godwhacker.
I was in shock that they were playing it and didn't really pay attention to what was going on until about half way through. It did have some rough edges, which should smooth out as long as they continue playing it. The crowd was somewhat quiet during it, I'd imagine because most weren't familiar with it. I did my best to scream and clap after it to encourge them. As soon as the first few notes of Bad Sneakers were played, the crowd really got into it.
KC
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 17:39:21 ET
Posted by: Vincent Egan, Glasgow
My those early reports sound fun - and that's a festival set before a few extra cuts sneak in (one hopes).
Now, given the Euro-tour is primarily festivals, and Australia and the US get good sounding support acts on the theatre shows, whats the deal for the UK shows? Do we get a solo performance, or is there going to be a support of equal magnitude? Let me know, as otherwise a Danfest Balti is a feasible alternative.
In fact that's a cracking idea: danfest folks interested in a pre-Birmingham balti to line their stomachs before a Steely digestif, let me know. Don and Walt - you're invited, but avoid the Phaal as it plays merry hell with the high notes.
Vince
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 16:48:34 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,
Just stumbled across this 1999 interview, supposedly the first one Donald & Walter did for TvN. Either I've never seen this before or my memory is really slipping. Great piece, with lots of detail about their writing process:
http://bluerailroad.com/archives/steely_dan_99a.html
I suspect our boys may have been up to their old tricks pulling the leg of the interviewer in quoting some alternative lyrics, however:
"I'm way deep into nothing special
Riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of Hollywood
It's a single sentence that evolved through a profusion of lyrical permutations before the ideal form was discovered. "One trick of writing is to use the mechanics of typing things over and over again as a way of exercising and developing an idea," Becker said. To illustrate this technique, he shared some of the variations he and Fagen generated for this line:
I'm way deep into nothing special…
…coming from a place of power just west of Hollywood.
…with a base of support located just west of Hollywood.
…in a matrix with its nexus just west of Hollywood.
…situated as I am in the crescent just west of Hollywood.
…having as my target the citizens just west of Hollywood.
…in a cluster franchise operation just west of Hollywood."
…and business is booming in the triangle just west of Hollywood. "
[snip]
I've seen references to their technique of trying out alternative lyrics in other interviews, and one of the best examples we have seen is the "first draft" of Jack of Speed performed in 1996. Wouldn't we all like to see the "backstory" material they desrcibe here!
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 16:35:48 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I find it very interesting that a month or two ago we were all talking about how great that song is, and now it's the set opener. It's obviously a coincidence, but it's a very cool coincidence.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 15:16:58 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, make damn sure
Two against nature stand alone!!!
And they rocked the house in New Orleans
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 13:32:44 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pittsburgh,
TvN with all the voodoo imagery is perfect for New Orleans. Also nice for them to bust it out at a festival where not everyone came out to hear them - a reminder that this is not a nostalgia act, and "hey, didn't they win some awards for that album a couple years ago," etc. The track TvN is one of the lesser known from that CD but the title phrase was well publicized during the Grammy sweep. And what a great song - odd meter, unusual chords (did DF play Rhodes or stalk the stage with melodica or keytar?), exellent guitar and sax solos, the only Carlock performance on 2vN, great sardonic lyrics - I always visualize our two heroes as either some kind of poltergeist exorcists for hire a la GhostBusters or exterminators with delusions of grandeur, or both.
On another topic, anybody have any idea why the official SD web site, once one of the most entertaining spots on the web, has become, uh, rather dormant in the past couple years? Nothing more than show listings. I always suspected it was Walter's playground. I miss the wisecracking humor that was the web equivalent of their songwriting. Of course, I'd rather Walter finish his damn solo album and put it out already. Does anyone know if he has a label - that may be the holdup considering the lackluster sales of 11TOW (and EMG and Morph for that matter). Record labels all want the next Amercian Idol these days [insert standard curmudgeon rant here].
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 13:11:55 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
I only saw the swag that people around me had purchased. Another Aja t-shirt. The Offical El Supremo t-shirt from last year has turned into a pink ladies tee. The new one that I saw had a picture of several young kids rolling dice in the alley with Heavy Rollers 2007 vertical on the side and tour cities on the back. There was also a new key chain. At this point I don't have plans to see another show so if someone would be willing to score me a shirt I'd be very appreciative.
Memphis was hot, at least 90 degrees with awful humidity. Thanks to the Steely friends I met at Memphis in '03, when I got there at 7 pm, I had a spot waiting for me right up front, ultimately in front of Donald. Thanks to Sharon and Al and Clarissa for that. We got to see Kenny Wayne Shepard at about 7:15. Great f***ing guitar player. He had Chris Layton from Double Trouble playing drums for him. After that it was the Bar-Kays. They were very funky and played great, HOWEVER, they took an extra 1/2 hour to set up and didn't knock off early so it pushed the Dan back to the 11:25 start time.
I was surprised as hell when I heard the opening notes of TvN, I had high hopes for the set list with them starting off with that.
Back to work, more later.
KC
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 11:44:07 ET
Posted by: fezo, time to kill
Wouldn't Pixieleen shred Donald's vocal chords by one month into the tour?
Encouraged by the tweaked set lists so far. For whatever reason, our heroes gig has not been showing up in the ads for Wolftrap in the last two Sunday Posts. Did it get cancelled or could it be so close to selling out the venue doesn't bother to advertise . . .
Great moment in child rearing: The Boy King was on the kitchen counter the other day, reached into the Bose and pulled out the Roger Waters CD, quickly replacing it with Morph. I was very proud
ole!
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 09:36:45 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater...
NEW DATE ADDED on SD.com:
Jul 14 - North Sea Jazz Festival - Rotterdam The Netherlands on sale 5/12 < DATE ADDED
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 08:39:57 ET
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Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 01:32:31 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Talking about Dr Wu. It's weird. My father is in his terminal phase of life. He has only a few months . And the only SD song I'm listening to at this moment is Dr WU.
Date: Tues, May 08, 2007, 00:42:10 ET
Posted by: suedave, here here
Two Against Nature - WOW! Not in my wildest dreams would I have imagined they'd play that tune - what a fab steely opener, somehow fitting for NO. Set openers can really set the mood - I can imagine Wu and Green Book slipping into a set that 2VN starts, not sure how much of that is wishful thinking getting carried away or if that's just a sign of my own little private reality. Either way, I can't wait to hear that live. And now I'm tempted to burn a new setlist for myself.
GM, Denise, Big Fan, et al - I asked my 82 year old mom if she wanted to go gambling while I see the Mohegan show - she said yes! so I'll be on the lookout for you all.
Hey there bead bitch, hope to run into you at one of the shows this year.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 23:34:44 ET
Posted by: oleander, post-nola
Yello, hoops!ie. Yes, it was the worm in the tequila rap again. Opening with 2vN was a spectacular tribute to NO, and it sounded great.
wormy, I never got your e--sadly. This e is current for me. Not sure about ATL--may have to steal the car keys & sneak out of the house.... Are you going?
LWO, glad you got up front and swelteringly personal....
This am in the NO airport, we saw Walt Weiskopf and Jim Pugh heading toward the gate for Orlando, and I was able to thank Ms. Mizelle and Ms. Leonhart-Escoffery for a great gig.
After the Dan, we slipped over to the jazz tent to hear the end of Branford Marsalis/Harry Connick Jr.'s tribute to the newly late Alvin Batiste, who died Saturday night, and who was supposed to perform with Marsalis & Connick in that very slot. Sweet, soulful version of "Closer Walk with Thee."
Re: Price is Right theme. Help me out here. I haven't watched it since Bill Cullen hosted. There's a sample of "Jeri" on amazon, though. So did they choose it because it's a great big band tune, or as a sly answer to why they're touring so big this year?
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 22:12:48 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, recovering aussi
Sorry, hoops. We got the Donald patter. Down by the river, I believe he said. No Ritz crackers that I recall.
One more amusing moment. As the cars pulled away, a lady was trying to get her Katy Lied album signed. She got lucky with Walter. With Donald, she got the hand....kinda like the Morph the Cat photo last year.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 22:11:23 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
We can't wait until Mohegan. Our first look at the Heavy Rollers tour. Playset sounds great! Hopefully, some sort of organized Danfest will be ongoing. Please email the Danfest list for New England let us know!
Sign up for the Conn. Danfest events at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/conn
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 20:47:35 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, recovering
So did Walter do the talking outro on "Hey 19" like at Chumash? That was awesome. I have a touch gotten tired of Donald forgetting the name of the tequila and eatting Ritz crackers with his honey at the beach.
Hi O.!
Jim
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 19:52:30 ET
Posted by: Pablo Escobar, Tampa Bay , seeing dan on 5.14 and 5.15
Who's going to the Clearwater, FL shows?
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 19:09:52 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, ny,ny,ny
Still bummed about non-jazzfest feed; perhaps a dvd instead...
t minus 2 weeks
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 18:46:16 ET
Posted by: doublehelix, inthe sky
And all the jiveasses and the true believers
The bullshit givers and receivers
Here today tomorrow gone
To the triage tent in the great beyond
Wherein the angel tangoes with the infidel
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 18:22:47 ET
Posted by: woh, woh
There is one line in "Dr. Wu" that never fails to give me chills...
"You walked in and my life began again."
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 17:13:55 ET
Posted by: heymike, chicago
and after hearing that song in 1975 I remember thinking Steely Dan wasn't a great US band....they were the only band that mattered.
Mark in Boston
________________________________
Here Here
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 17:08:06 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, limping through the day
There is one line in "Dr. Wu" that never fails to give me chills...
"You walked in and my life began again."
The song is equally romantic, desparate and hopeful. Haunting lyrics, kick ass sax, great keyboard and interesting percussive elements.
I have the same feelings about "WOH."
In fact, I've always felt that "Peg" was Donald's bookend song to Walter's "Josie." I guess that's why I never get tired of hearing those. Maybe "Wu" and "WOH" are similar in much the same way.
But Donald says the song is unfinished.
Personally, I think unfinished is a good thing.
Oh and we did hear Pixeleen last year (in Camden?) The mind blinks with little sleep.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:54:51 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Waiting for Mohegan Sun
Steely Mom et al thanks for the updates on the shows! Can't wait for my turn next Thursday - especially can't wait for the Steely Parents to roll up here!
If Carlock looks wicked exhausted it's because he's running around nonstop. He was playing 55 Bar the night before he flew out to Memphis and before that he was doing clinics in the south. He's doing another clinic in the UK mid-tour AND he's playing at 55 Bar again after the Beacon shows in June! When he sleeps is beyond me.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:54:23 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, and..
and after hearing that song in 1975 I remember thinking Steely Dan wasn't a great US band....they were the only band that mattered.
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:46:51 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Katy Lied's title cut, right smack dab in the middle of their 70s catalog. Never played live. Groovaliscious piano, a sax solo for the ages by Phil Woods, warped lyrics - quintessential Steely Dan. Yeah, why would we want them to Do The Wu???
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:39:22 ET
Posted by: tuba110, Perry, OH
Re: Dr. Wu question.......
I think it stems from the fact that they did soundcheck it last tour (The Fab-Originals tour) but never performed it. It's one of those "never before played" Dan tunes that every Dan-Fan wants to hear. I sparked a bit of controversy on here in the fall when I mentioned that they might not be playing it because it just wasn't a right fit for the live show. Perhaps, since they've had a long time to rehearse it now, they have decided just that. I sure hope not though, as it is one of their best songs, and I'd love to hear what they could do with it on stage. I also hope Pixeleen makes its way into the set too, as they doodled with it in the fall as well.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:26:04 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Perhaps this has been covered in length, so if so, my apologies. But, I've been participating on this forum for about a year now and was curious why there has been such a demand to play Dr. Wu. I happen to like the song very much, but I know of several others I would like to hear as well that they don't play. Why this one? Anybody out there?
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 15:41:58 ET
Posted by: Vinyl Gloves,
The Memphis show was great, except they didn't play Dr. Wu, so it was actually terrible. Any show they do without Dr. Wu just sucks, by default.
Walter was funny introducting Donald as "Mr. Magnificent one, the one and only one." Donald was funny observing out loud "Hey, they know this one!" and "Here's one you WILL remember!"
They ran out of Bud right before the show so we all had to enjoy Bud Light, yecch. And some girl asked my daughter if she could buy dope from her.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 14:35:10 ET
Posted by: DougieM, Fort Myers
Nevermind, I see that Sam Yahel is opening for them...sound bites from his website sound interesting...
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 14:29:28 ET
Posted by: DougieM, Fort Myers
I'm going to the Ft. Myers show...please explain what Sam Yahel thing is...
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 12:28:21 ET
Posted by: Cuban Boy, Biscayne Bay
SD has never done 2AN live before. There's a clip of them trying it on the Jazz Plush video but that's it. This is the only "new" song in the set list.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 11:11:25 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Curious
Is any poster going to the Fort Myers or Atlanta shows? Those are prior to the Orlando show and I'm wondering how much the Sam Yahel thing is going to intrude on/make up for/influence the Steely Dan part of the show. Seems like the Beale Street setlist would be about right in length for a regular show along with an opening act. But maybe away from the festival atmosphere they'll add on a couple of tunes.
Just curious. And a little hopeful.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 09:56:40 ET
Posted by: Roger, .
I wonder if DF considers the Price is Right theme fake fake jazz.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 09:20:13 ET
Posted by: wormy, no
craig
no swag at Jazzfest - only fest swag allowed
where would you sell it anyway?
lwo - did you make it to Frenchman Street or only the touristy side of the quarter?
1 day off, hope the boys see the devasated side of N.O.
before the tour bus rolls into FLA
down in tampa the future looked desperate and dark
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 08:50:33 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
Another fan disappointed by no Wu.
http://blogs.tuscaloosanews.com/default.asp?item=592846
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 08:18:51 ET
Posted by: Opening Song Librarian, at the 1st 2
The opening instrumental is
"Jeri," by Gerald Wilson, the trumpeter, composer, arranger and conductor.
From the NYTimes:
Jeri, recorded in 1961, has a figure in its bridge that would be echoed a decade later in the theme song to "The Price Is Right.")
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 08:00:56 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, banging the skulls of things undead
Hoopsie, Craig: I saw no swag at this show, except for the Jazzfest swag itself. They will probably break it out at the shows this week.
I don't think they have ever done 2VN live. I seem to recall some crack from Donald that there was a lot going on in that song and that it would be tough to do (some analogy about cooking and using every pot and utensil in the kitchen).
Personally, I was shocked to hear it, but it sounded great. Imagine Donald singing Apsatively....
Oh, and Bad Sneakers was much, much improved from the version (2000?) I've heard.
The Price is Right? So glad my ears weren't playing tricks on me. That's what I heard too.
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 07:53:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Wormy and LWO!!The Price is Right?? Really?
question : have the Boys ever done TvN live since 2000?
What about the Swag
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 07:21:17 ET
Posted by: wormy, no
ole
opening theme was none other than
"The PRice is Right"
lwo - it was hot, but it's actually been much hotter second week
usually the 6 months of summer arrive then
the first week was mercifully cool - low 80's and little humidity
jazzfest crowds are usually very appreciative
we know how to get our groove on in N.O.
glad to see the Dan not in the headliner slot, or it would have been rediculously packed
ready for Caves and Babylon reinserted
personally Greenbook or Lunch with Gina over Godwhacker
but who's complaining
most memorable Dan moment - late set Deacon BLues Rayliegh NC 2000
the crowd was really into it (shout out to stevie dan)
it isn't the dial it in tour from last year
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 02:48:04 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, now the Bead Bitch
Well, well...I told you planning a Danfest at a festival such as this was gonna be a challenge!
THE SHOW WAS AWESOME!! It was hot as flipping hell and I think we were standing on squashed cow manure for 5+ hours, with some guy next to us dripping sweat from his armpits. Did I mention the show was AWESOME!!
We were in the "Roseland position." Right in front of Donald and the girls hanging on the barricades!
I almost died when they broke out 2VN...followed by Bad Sneakers...no freaking WAY! (the "Frozen Rain" song is the favorite for LWO2 and the VLWO and they were both in attendance!) Wow!
I am always incredulous at the unique sound this band has than anything else out there. Donald seemed to be energetic and in good spirits and Walter was soloing his little ass off again!
Long story, but we found EVERYthing but balloons in the French Quarter. Scrap that idea. But we had beads! We have beads no more. They went to a good cause! Thank you, Mr. Driver (and Cindy!) That was a highlight for the kiddos.
My apologies to Wicked Librarian, Ole and others. The NO Fairgrounds was hot and packed and this was my first time there, so I had no idea what to expect. The answer to that is easy. Expect ANYTHING, except easy access! LWO2 stayed occupied counting the 24 packs of Millers Lite passing by and taking embarrassing videos of Boomers' butts. She's 15...sheesh.
Can you believe I only managed 3 beers all afternoon? Shut up, Alan!
After the de-beading, we met Allen Toussaint! Very nice and cool man. We chatted about Bernard Purdie, having met him a few times. Missed seeing Pete and Shari...we almost bought you a hat, Pete, from a little artsy place in the Quarter and LWO2 has some photos to show you.
Really looking forward to the NE shows in a few weeks and, as WT said, a SEAT!
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 00:39:38 ET
Posted by: adorable ghost, ca
Denise-
No, no shows yet (grrrrrrrrrrrr) not in my area of the map and sans credit card craziness, I will not be taking part in a Beacon Bacchinalia(sp?)- SOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous reading the posts about the first couple of shows, knowing that so far nothing is on the books for CA....trying to contain my dour sour mood- oy vey can they just announce the rest of the western u.s shows forgoodnessake? Best wishes to wicked librarian and lwo who are in the ultimate of ultimates.......
Date: Mon, May 07, 2007, 00:13:53 ET
Posted by: wormy, new orleans
Ole
I emailed my cell number to you earlier in the week,
maybe it bounced
are you doing atlanta?
"place pontchartrain" it's a 50's joke destination
no caves or babylon
but it was great hearing some new millenium Dan
hoping a full 2 hour set (upcoming shows) will bring out
Aja, Babylon, Greenbook, Gina, Jack of Speed, Dr Wu, Home at Last, etc.
the band was tight, Cindy Miselle really sang it on DW
Carlock looked like he hadn't slept in days
Don and Walt seem to really enjoy themselves
thanks and turn down the bass next time please
wormtom
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 23:52:54 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
Is Jeff Young still playing synths (or "digital organs/pianos") or did he bring along a real organ this time? I remember hearing that he had a Hammond at the Jan gigs.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 23:36:44 ET
Posted by: oleander, nola
Hey wormy--looked everywhere for you! -- & LWO as well -- saw lots of flags, but no balloons. It was a treat to hang with the wicked librarian and to meet nitefly, the firefighter, and the guy from Lafayette.
Sorry to have missed the Fest Sat. Bus return from the fairgrounds was hideously slow, and we had to hie to P-Funk.
Great set today--sharp, kickin', and an enormous and appreciative crowd. Agree with wormy on the sound, plus I think Jon Herington was undermiked. Don't know what the opening theme was. Mr. Becker also introduced Walt Weiskopf as "[somebody] Pontchartrain." I have long longed to see them play JazzFest. Dream come true.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 21:33:17 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Lost amid all of excitement of NO Jazzfest, Memphis and new, improved and VARIED set list of SD was the last question:
"Everyone's Gone to the Movies" is one of the most "percussive" of SD songs. Before the advent of the Synthesizer, then Digital Age, percussion instruments created sounds other than that from kick drums, tympannies, cymbals, congas etc. Keeping this in mind, name the most recent Old Testament tune that "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" was most likely principally derived from."
"Everyone's Gone to the Movies" stands out as percussive, but it's unique feature is the use of the xylophone-type sound, a percussion instrument of a different sort. This sound is first used to a fair degree on "Only a Fool Would Say That", but most RECENTLY prior to "Everyone's Gone to the Movies", which was key to the question on the song "Razor Boy", which also has the same vocal inflections by Don F. and similar melody. BOBBO of Texas was first with the correct answer.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 20:50:46 ET
Posted by: wormtom, NEW ORLEANS
SETLIST
SIMILAR but ABBREV from Memphis
TAN, BS, TooM, Janie Runaway, Hey 19, Walt on Monkey, Peg, Green Earrings, Dirty Work (girls), Josie (with band intros at end), Do It Again, Kid CHar, encore Bodi (left 5 minutes on the table)
it was hot, Don was in great voice, sound would have been perfect if Freddie's bass wasn't so loud and distorted (pianos too low also)
DOn and Walt were humorous and engaged the crowd
Walt
"who's up next? Harry Connick JR Sr (which one?)
don't like that guy since he dished Sigourney Waever in that movie"
can't wait for a full set and a seat in Atlanta
say hello
wormtom
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 20:27:54 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Thank you everyone. I got a call from Holiday as I was on my way out. Thanks to The Blue and the fans here, Oleander "rescued" her. I'm sure they are having a parteeeeeeeeeeee!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 20:02:24 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
Speculation of Elliot Randall joining them on stage in Florida.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/ENT12/705040331
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 19:20:44 ET
Posted by: Rumpusella, Memphis Cloud 9
"And when we're on stage it's the band and the musicians that are there, and the way it sounds and feels is just not an attempt to recapture anything. It's a real musical event that's happening for the first time before your very eyes. And I think ... we're going to try and condense the Steely Dan set down into a maximum, high-impact, slamming type of deal that will completely banish any talk of nostalgia or traipsing down the garden path or however you put that." <<Walter Becker>>
snippet from an article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 18:55:32 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, So close...yet so far
It's frustrating watching the webcast of the NO Jazzfest. Joss Stone is live right now and Donald and Walter are about 200 yards away doing their show at the same time. I guess I'm a sick individual for watching the webcast in hopes of hearing Steely Dan playing in the background.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 17:41:27 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Thanks for the set list updates. "Two Against Nature" is an epic track, in the company of "Aja," "Glamour Profession" and "Babylon Sisters." Then again , there is NO Steely Dan song like 2vN.
My apols if I just missed it, but anyone have a swag report from the first show?
I've been swamped the past few weeks, but fortunately that is all lightening up by the end of the week. Got one huge event out of the way earlier this afternoon. Now I have more time to enjoy all this. Thanks for your patience!
New Dandom Digest in the next hour or two.
Put out text and phone messages to the NO crew for Holliday but no response yet.
Jim
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 13:22:16 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Major DanFan,
I'm sure that would not be a problem...Mark (Boston Rag)is having them printed and he and Bill will be distributing them at the fest: get in touch with either of them. Thx.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 13:19:41 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Can anybody help? I just got a phone call from Holiday (Wicked Librarian). She is at the NO Jazz Fest and can't find anyone. She missed last night's meetup at the hotel.
LWO, GM et al - please call her at 510-735-1191 or can someone call any NO attendees to call her?
Thanks so much.
Wish I was there!!!!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 13:03:26 ET
Posted by: LaRue,
Hi Rajah.
What does your listening turban make of the lyrics to "Mobile Home"?
The [bracketed] words are difficult to make out.
Mobile Home
I get 4 or 5 miles a gallon in this old car
I don't care as long as it takes me to where you are
You ain't leaving no tracks to follow
It's driving me mad, but what else can I do
This all too mobile home, is [calling, falling, hauling, crawling] after you
We're 30 miles out of Phoenix on a 3 day drive
When you left to buy the [Ayah-Bella] number 5
When you slammed the door behind you
You walked out on the life that we once knew
This all too mobile home is [calling] after you
Well they say it in Salt Lake City
A town where men are men
Take your hand out of my pocket
Don't put it in again
Girl you're married in San Diego
And the sign says [Whoa Now] Vista
Please drive on through
This all too mobile home is [calling] after you
Thanks.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 12:28:44 ET
Posted by: walika, @nola
No WU
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 12:10:35 ET
Posted by: Major Dan Fan, in Calif
Denise any chance of buying any of your shirts or anything else you might be makeing for your Boston danfest.Would love to come to Boston shows but could only make NYC shows.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 12:03:14 ET
Posted by: tuba110, Perry, OH
Wow,
I can't believe they're not playing Aja, but maybe it will appear once the tour starts, or maybe today in Nawlens! It'd be great to see them slip in Dr. Wu, but I don't think they will......
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 11:34:06 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Oops, forgot to ask...
Which version of "Hey Nineteen" was utilized? The DF patter version or the Pugh/Leonhart duel? Or something else entirely, perhaps even playing it straight?
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 11:31:52 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Any new arrangements in the lineup? I'm assuming not.
Also, "Josie" drum solo for Carlock?
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 11:27:17 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
"Two Against Nature
Bad Sneakers
Time Out of Mind
Caves of Altamira
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Monkey in Your Soul - Walter vocals
Peg
Green Earrings
Josie
Babylon Sisters
Dirty Work - by the girls
Godwhacker
Do it Again
Kid Charlemagne
encore
Bodhisattva"
Good to see TvN sneak into their usual lineup. Perfect song to start with. Perplexing why this song didn't commence the album. Caves of Altamira was absolutely made for their live show. Excellent choice. Babe choir ideal for Babylon Sisters. The re-arrangement of Monkey chart is very nice.
Great suggestions Wormy. Gina, Pixeleen, Dr. Wu, and Your Gold Teeth...too.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 11:03:20 ET
Posted by: Jimbo, happy
Yeah, well put. You have a way with words, you do. Have some juice.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 10:55:06 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Well put, Bobbo.
Overall a great setlist. What everyone really want is for them to play 4 hours. Given the premises this is as good as it gets. And it's prette fine with me!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 10:48:38 ET
Posted by: I told, you so
*one* new song.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 10:24:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Finally...Two Against Nature...their theme song for the new millenium if ever there was one...make them groan boys...
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 10:23:13 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Ballsy opener. I like that.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 10:05:57 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, a little miffed here, I guess, BUT...
Hey,
Damn-she-skipped: "Something inspiring"? They did "Kid Charlemagne", and you were not ispired? Listen, man (and two dozen of you are gonna rain on me IMMEDIATELY, for this; the "sick of this setlist" crowd never ceases to amaze and confuse and slightly PISS ME OFF): I've seen some of these songs a half-a-dozen times (or more), and I've never been short of flat-out, heavily-and-heartily INSPIRED by the renditions I've seen...sometimes a tweak here (or there), sometimes a new arrangement, bridge, middle-of-the-chorus key change...
THIS IS NOT WEDNESDAY NIGHT KARAOKE, HOSS! And I'm not trying to chew on you, but...God DAMN, man. The statement "I could do without (insert ANY STEELY DAN SONG HERE)" is patently weirdish, to my ears. I've STILL never seen 'em do "Do It Again," but I've seen "Peg" and "Josie" and "FM" over and over and over again, and I can't foresee ever getting tired of those sumptuous grooves...please forgive my lack of understanding...
And, before you bite, you've probably seen many, many more shows than I, and quite likely have refined your tastes to a more qualified standpoint than mine, but...honestly, I must be one of those "rabid true-believers," 'cause I'll listen to the current 11-piece band do DON & WALT'S TRIBUTE TO BARRY MANILOW, if I can afford to make it to the show, partner. By God, I really, really would!
Sorry for the longish narrative, here...anyway, I know you mean well, so I'll just leave you alone about it. But honestly, yours is the kind of "fan reflection" that killed Pink Floyd, in the end. Isn't it? Or, maybe I'm just too stuck on The Dan...selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 09:44:11 ET
Posted by: wormy, no
one additional thought, two
don and walt have something few artists their era still performing have
viable songs in the new Millenium
so play them
New Orleans Jazzfest - people are hunkered down and won't be going out for beers when Godwhacker is played
last year was a little too over the hill for me
glad to see them going with a more (still not there) diversified setlist and playing to their true fans instead of the ignorant masses
cheers
wt
I'll be seeing two shows in 6 days
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 09:40:04 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, fired up for the new setlist!
Well, by God!
Congrats to the band and our hearty Funk Engineers, D & W, for a great-sounding setlist to kick off this leg of Heavy Rollers '07! Y'all know, I'm sure, that "Bad Sneakers" will always be in my top three favorites list, but--"Janie..." and "TvN" and "...Altamira"? Again, and sorry to repeat myself, but: by God! Wow. Really, really envious of those of you who got to see THAT one...
Listen, for the Saturday Memphis date, did you notice what kind of merchandising went on for the Steely table? I'm a little tweaked about the idea of all-new tour shirts, hats, and such; tempt my buds a little about what's "out there," if you please. (And I'll only add that the handsome Heavy Rollers/Chumash design from Hinktown's Finest, Laurie and Robb, will be awfully hard to beat--such a classy look!) But I'm in need of a new Dan cap, wouldn't you know...
Wonder how N.O. is shaping up? Oh, man-oh-man, ain't it fun when the boys are up and doing gigs, these days?
And any little random reviews/notes on nuance, stage "patter" and the like would be so very eagerly read, if any of you lucky Memphis Fest attendees wanna share, y'know...thanks, and I'll be lookin' for ya. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 09:34:45 ET
Posted by: wormy, neew orleans
nice set list
I'm dropping the play / don't play sign for today's gig
caves, janie, Babylon - great
I could still do without Peg Do It Again, Godwacker and Bodi
just wait till they have a full show in a non fest setting
then a few more gems will come out
Don and Walt - we know you are listening
Royal Scam, Dr Wu, Aja, Lunch with Gina, Jack of Speed and Greenbook please
I'll report back from N.O. this evening around 9 cst
wormtom
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 09:25:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks KC !!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 09:08:31 ET
Posted by: OMG,
CAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 08:48:21 ET
Posted by: Pablo Escobar, Tampa Bay
Looks liek a great set. I'll be taping the Clearwater, FL show on 5.14.07 and will be putting the show up on thetradersden.org
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 08:46:50 ET
Posted by: Pablo Escobar, Tampa Bay
Looks liek a great set. I'll be taping the Clearwater, FL show on 5.14.07 and will be putting the show up on thetradersden.org
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 07:26:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, again, sorry
and Kid Clean, thanks.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 07:25:00 ET
Posted by: Denise, counting down
TvN? Yes! Janie Runaway? Yes! Even Bad Sneakers? I'm going to love this...
BTW, Mark, simplified design is in your mailbox: take a look.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 07:00:06 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
The set list looks awesome! The Ottawa Senators are going to the Eastern conference finals! Things are falling into place. 2 weeks, one day and counting.
WhooHoo!!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 06:53:41 ET
Posted by: Glory, Hallelujah!
Well, it looks like they are reading the Blue. The Blue spoke. They have taken heed. There were selections from 9 albums spanning their entire catalogue. A coupla deep cuts. Heavy on Scam, TVN and Gaucho.
A little less Aja. Even CTE and EMG got in there.
You gotta admit, for 16 songs, you cannot reasonably bitch about the set list. Performance, venue maybe. Imagine what they they could do
with TWO sets, you'd have something that would exceed SOBOBA on your hands.
It appears that the Dan has finally got religion as far as the setlist. kinda like Marc Cohn, when he was Walkin' in Memphis.
MEMPHIS! MEMPHIS! MEMPHIS!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 05:37:22 ET
Posted by: Damn, she skipped
Don't mean to be dour. TvN, the song, is not picnic to learn or sing live. I remember a poster at Yellow back in early 2000 wanting to hear the title track of the newest goodness, and others (rightfully, back then at least, I might add) shooting him down -- Don can't remember the 'Deacon Blues' versus, I wasn't saying this ... "how's he gunna remember TvN?"
Anyway, on a big Miles trip tonight. Just peeved that they'd thrown us something. We love them. Why can't they counter our love of "Josie" with something else? I love these guys, I wish I got something back for it ...
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 05:30:30 ET
Posted by: Damn, she skipped
They played "TvN." Seriously, no smart-ass shit, that's awesome.
Other than that? Fuck it. Fucking fuck it. Maybe they (They?) moved "Josie" back up to Em after years of Dm. Otherwise, a big cockslap in our face for those of us that were hoping for something inspiring.
At least it should pay for the next album ...
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 04:31:58 ET
Posted by: Steely Don, Christchurch
Amen to that Alan. Although I think if thay are still playing ANYTHING after their 64 warm-up concerts before the main event in Christchurch I'LL be a happy camper!!
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 03:51:28 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
Thanks for reporting in KC
If they are still playing Two Against Nature by the time they hit Australian shores I'll be a happy camper...
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 03:12:47 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, To The Rescue
Memphis 5/5/07
Opening music -- ??? theme to the price is right?
Two Against Nature
Bad Sneakers
Time Out of Mind
Caves of Altamira
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Monkey in Your Soul - Walter vocals
Peg
Green Earrings
Josie
Babylon Sisters
Dirty Work - by the girls
Godwhacker
Do it Again
Kid Charlemagne
encore
Bodhisattva
There seemed to be some confusion at the end as to whether another song was to be played but everyone ended up leaving the stage.
Show started 30 minutes late at 11:25.
Not a bad show. Only a few goofs from Don on lyrics. His voice didn't sound real strong.
That's all for now, been up for 21 hours.....
KC
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 02:08:48 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Lucca
Hey all --
I will be holding court for the Danfest in Lucca, Italia. Come and enjoy! Final night of the Euro tour -- they'll be smokin'.
Lonnie
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 02:01:25 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Q-Zombie, TWM was indeed >>a<< highlight of the Philly MTC show, but for me >>THE<< highlight was TGL. After that maybe Western World and then TWM. Just my opinion. But it was all good.
And now to make use of a Steely tangent, I'll paraphrase Mark Knopfler/Dire Straits...
Calling Memphis, is anybody home?
Calling Memphis, I'm here all alone
Did they leave the building?
Can they come to the phone?
Calling Memphis, I'm here all alone
...eagerly awaiting set list details.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 01:17:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
C'mon Memphis...Blue calling Memphis...
BTW, how does the Rajah know the lyric to 2ndA is, "LaRue steps out with no regrets?" I've listened to it, katzingool, I bring to bear sophisticated separation listening devices. In other words I'm a close listener. Very close. Also, it has been the consensus here amongst the cognoscenti for some time.
Baba in culo alla tua sorella Rajah.
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 01:04:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I'm here too awaiting word from Memphis.
In the words of JJ: "Memphis! Where is the hell is the Memphis?"
Can't wait. How will I sleep??? Thanks in advance! :-)
Jim
Date: Sun, May 06, 2007, 00:15:03 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Long distance information, give me Memphis, Tennessee... Johnny Rivers
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 23:04:32 ET
Posted by: memphis blues, not in memphis
Ok memphis
time to chime in yet?
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 17:47:48 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Ladies and Gentlemen, Start Your Engines
WhooHoo....Have fun in Memphis tonight everyone. Please let us know how the show was ASAP.
tuba - Yeah, it looks like they did not agree to be part of the webcast. Damn! Well, it looks like the weather is sunny in 'Nawlins. Have a blast LWO, wormtom, KC and crew.
Details coming soon on the Boston Danfest for May 29 & 30 shows. Working on location details. Denise has designed the most gorgeous Danfest t-shirt ever! If we can't get it done for a reasonable price, we'll at least have some posters of the design made for the event. It is awesome.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 17:31:20 ET
Posted by: tuba110, Perry, Ohio
Anyone else notice they're not listed for the AOL Jazz Fest broadcast?
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 17:16:21 ET
Posted by: qualifiedzombie, PA
Daddy G-
Also present at Tower last year. Thanks for making me reminisce!! What about the string work on Third World Man for a highlight? Looking forward to this year!
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 16:52:00 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks AG! Let's hope they play it again soon. Going to any shows?
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 15:19:45 ET
Posted by: The long arm of the law, There is some justice!!!
Paris Hilton going to LA county jail!! Some things are worth celebrating!!
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 13:21:01 ET
Posted by: adorable ghost, ca
Denise-
Black Cow- yes, somewhat recently- they played it @ Soboba fer sure- I remember clearly being off house right dancing in the hovering heat, hearing the woman behind me saying- "yeah, now this is a song for the ladies"
So outrageous...
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 12:35:00 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, much too far West of the Delta
Hey Brainstrainer,
I can't pick a more definitive "correct" answer between the two most likely answers: "Only a Fool..." or "Razor Boy" seem kind of obvious to me, but what the Hell do I know?
Hey LWO and all, hope you enjoy the NO Jazzfest! Here's hoping "Pearl of the Quarter" makes its twenty-first century live debut for ya, down there. Love and Peace to ya...
And, I'm curious: how many of us have pre-ordered that damned-old Don Fagen trilogy box? I sure hope I'm still in the top 100, kids; I really, really do! Ain't I a sap? Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 12:14:50 ET
Posted by: So,
Craig B. - No. Dr.Mu can't make the shows this tour. Funds are tight.
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 11:57:32 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
That's this year Dr Mu right?
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 11:35:03 ET
Posted by: I told, you so
Who wants to bet that SD won't be be playing anything new this tour? OK, maybe one song.
These guys had six tours to break out the cool stuff. If they haven't played them by now, it's not going to happen this tour. Slam me now, but come on here tomorrow and tell me that I was right.
I told you so..
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 07:38:12 ET
Posted by: wt, dead in head
oops
typo
snug harbor
new orleans premier jazz club
http://www.snugjazz.com/
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 07:35:39 ET
Posted by: wormtom, new orleans
new orleans update
it rained hard - 5-8 inches friday street flooding - fair skies for sat sun (dry it out please!)
we just made the last set friday in water shoes
Danilio Perez was great (Alan Cruz on drums, not sure the upright player but he was fab - unfortunately you could hear all too well bleed over from neanderthalic ZZTOP at the acura stage) caught bits of counting crows and george benson as we walked the muddied field
scoped out our hopeful spot for sunday's dan festivities
last weeks highlights Nora Jones, Calexico, Van Morrison, Pharoah Sanders, Ritchie Havens and one stomping crew in the gospel tent
thank God the Rod Stewart train wreck drew most of the headling crowd last saturday
Lucinda looks like she put on 20 lbs friday
in N.O. I want to hear Jack of Speed, a Morph cut - of course it would be Mona or Pagoda, Aja, Home at Last, Scam, Dr Wu and anything but Peg, Hey 19, Bodi, Reelin and Do it Again
will be at Astral Project set Snug Harbot - Frenchman Street saturday night
then on to atlanta - say hello if you are at either show
those stuck in side of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again
please shout out a setlist, thanks
wormy
_________________
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 06:26:53 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Memphis Bound
5:25 am CDT - headin' down Memphis way!!!!!
KC
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 02:19:33 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
Wish Lists, hmmm lemme see now…
King Of The World
Night By Night
Two Against Nature
Deacon Blues
The Caves Of Altamira
Brooklyn
Change Of The Guard
Any Major Dude
Jack Of Speed (Becker on Vocals)
Chain Lightning
What A Shame About Me
Dr Wu
Royal Scam
Gold Teeth 2
Kid Charlemagne
Black Friday
EMG
To all the crew heading to New Orleans this weekend, have fun you lucky buggers
Roll on September
Date: Sat, May 05, 2007, 00:30:11 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, FL room
maybe Mike just didn't want to sing that pointlessly obscene lyric. (;
god i would love to hear "Pearl of the Quarter"...
they should go all out and get a great steel player like Buddy Emmons to play the pedal steel part. or what the hell... get Skunk Baxter. and play "Dallas" while yer at it.
Only a week til Orlando...! Me and the pearl of my quarter will be headin down from Jaxtown. Do i go for the spoilers, or do i wait and be surprised...?
we'll see.
as log as we're doing wishlists, here's my top 25:
YGT I/II (just do it as a medley)
Only a Fool
Brooklyn
Heartbeat
Razor Boy
King of the World
Major Dude
Barrytown
With a Gun
Rose Darlin
WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Little Ones
Fez
Western World
Deacon (never seen it)
My Rival
New Frontier
Raindrops
Wet Side
Almost Gothic
Negative Girl
Blues Beach
Pixeleen
Gina
EMG
also anything from Kama or Morph. or Whack.
if none of those, i'll take Chain Lightning.
thank you and good night.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 23:09:09 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
This question deals with two Old Testament tunes, specifically in the first five books, the Torah, or Pentateuch, if you will.
"Everyone's Gone to the Movies" is one of the most "percussive" of SD songs. Before the advent of the Synthesizer, then Digital Age, percussion instruments created sounds other than that from kick drums, tympannies, cymbals, congas etc. Keeping this in mind, name the most recent Old Testament tune that "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" was most likely principally derived from.
Difficulty level is about 4.5.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:57:32 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
To all my Dandom buddies over the great expanse of water that separates us.....here's wishing you all the best for tonight (already 5th here) and all the dates for the forthcoming tour. I wish I could be there, but I'll have to settle for the UK. But whatevah, my thoughts are with you all. Have a great time getting together again and savour every moment of the show! And Don, Walt and the Band, give us your best, which I'm sure you will, but save some energy for Europe and Australia/NZ!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:50:13 ET
Posted by: Steve In, Bishan Heights Singapore
In some recent research on the early Dan- I found a mention that Pearl of the Quarter was actually sung by Palmer on the 1972-3 tour.....so maybe it was one of those songs written specifically with Palmer in mind......great song!
All the best to you beautiful people in The Big Easy!!!!
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:47:48 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown, again
BTW, Doc Mu, I'd like to hear Black Cow also...have they played that live at all recently?
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:32:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
LWO, Wicked Librarian: have a great time in NO! Want to hear all about it...
Kid Clean...Fagengruven in Memphis tomorrow: have a blast.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:21:34 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Eat me AnonySo. I've spent over $600 on tix previously and LPs/CDs/DVVD-V,DVD-As. When's you're album coming out? I thought so.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 22:13:17 ET
Posted by: Brussel sprout,
Yeah, pretty funny watching Jeff Young impersonate McDonald while he is sitting backstage. He even comes out to sing 3 songs later. WTF?
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 21:46:21 ET
Posted by: r u kidding, ?
You are talking about a band that finally played I Got the News and was touring with Michael McDonald, yet they didn't have him come out to sing one of his most famous parts.
If you think they are going to play Pearl of the Quarter just because they are in New Orleans, you can forget it.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 21:24:47 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Lawgator, Greenflower Street did not show DF's voice at its best during his solo tour, IMHO, anyway. Maybe it was a night to night thing but on some nights there was definite strain reaching the higher notes.
And I thought I read somewhere that Pearl of the Quarter is not one of his old testament favourites. Curious to see if they dust it off.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 20:58:39 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Care to chat?
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 18:49:40 ET
Posted by: So,
I *might* cough up some $$
Dr Mu - Don't do them any favors.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 16:53:49 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
My Cynical Setlist for the Take the Money and Run Tour
Some Arcane Jazz Song with a Latin Beat
Green Earrings
Godwhacker
Home at Last
Josie
Blues Beach
Do it Again
Intermission
Mancini or Arlen tune
Pretzel Logic
Kid Charlemagne
Bodhisattva
Peg
Hey 19
Encores:
My Old School
Don't Take Me Alive
IF SD plays
Throw Back the Little Ones
Dr. Wu
Any World
Your Gold Teeth II
Pixeleen
Second Arrangement
Kulee Baba
Black Cow
Nightfly stuff
Morph stuff
I *might* cough up some $$
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 16:23:33 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Office
Just ordered my DF Trilogy. Looks interesting, Bonus tracks and interviews plus DF commentary etc.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:13:57 ET
Posted by: angel,
No Pearl on the Quarter that I am aware of, Craig. But if they are ever going to give this song a spin, New Orleans is the place!
Have a great time Dandom and post the set list on Saturday!
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 14:34:48 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Right LG. Spill your guts.We want to be informed.
Have they ever done Pearl before LWO?
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 13:59:59 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Thanks
Thanks guys for the info on the MTC tour. I'd really like to hear Green Flower Street or Pretzel Logic from that genre. Fagen's voice on GFS was so strong. I am especially hoping that with Orlando being just the sixth show they will have both worked out the kinks and DF's voice be in high grade.
The Danfest for Orlando is coming along swimmingly, my date's super fine mind (and body) have come and gone but will come again, and I am looking forward to libations and sensations to stagger my mind. Orlando show: 8 days away!
I tell you, though. I am torn on whether to visit the Blue midweek next week because of the spoilers from the Hollywood and Naples shows. Silly in a way, since I would go see them if they played chopsticks for an hour... Plus, I will probably want to come on myself after the Orlando show and comment on what they play. So, why should I be such a hipocrite, right?
LG
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 13:37:10 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the challenge
Being a "devil in the details" person, I try not only to guess the setlist, but to put them in somewhat the order I think they would likely be played. *Mind you, this is not my dream setlist*, just a pseudo-educated guess at what we might hear.
I also think that the list will change with the change in venue types (jazz fest v. casino crowd v. outdoor shed).
At any rate, I'm feeling lucky! Here's the first installment:
YGT/YGT II
Green Earrings
Any World
Pretzel Logic/Pearl of the Quarter
Third World Man
Godwhacker
Daddy/Slang (WB)
New Frontier/Misry and the Blues
Josie
Peg
Bad Sneakers
Encore:
Reeling
Kid C
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 13:20:55 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Green Flower Street
Lawgator,
Green Flower Street was played at the DF show in Las Vegas last March, with a neat little twist added to the ending I might add. I believe it was on the set list most nights also. Enjoy the show in a few days...
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 13:14:40 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
At the Tower Theatre in Upper Darby (OK, call it Philly for convenience) on March 4, 2006, the MTC set list was...
1. Here At the Western World (hyper version, but still great imo)
2. The Nightfly
3. >>>GREEN FLOWER STREET<<<
4. Teahouse On the Tracks
5. New Frontier
6. Third World Man
7. Home At Last
(...Band intro...)
8. Snowbound
9. H Gang
10. What I Do
11. Black Cow
12. The Goodbye Look
13. Misery And The Blues
14. Mary Shut The Garden Door
15. I.G.Y.
(Encore...)
16. Pretzel Logic
17. Viva Viva Rock And Roll
For me if I had to pick one highlight of the show, though, it would have been The Goodbye Look even though that's never been my favorite song on the album (which isn't to say I don't like it).
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 12:48:03 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Wondering out loud
Just wondering if anyone who might have caught Fagen's solo tour in support of MTC: Did he play Green Flower Street? I've been listening to that tune a bit lately, off of the New York Rock and Soul Review album. Seems like something they might add to this tour. As Kosmo Kramer might say, "It's gitchy!"
LG
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 08:43:29 ET
Posted by: analog:, joe:
that is a beautiful poem.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 07:31:50 ET
Posted by: analog joe, audio heaven
brutus charisma
analog cassettes - if you are lucky old cassettes will transfer
many of my old ones did not
cd's - convienance only
lps are much more musical and refining
as for surface noise - I rarely get a pop
with a loricraft record cleaner
cheers
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 03:54:46 ET
Posted by: db,
Brutus Charisma
Try this..
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=search&searchstring=cassette
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 03:52:11 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
May the 4th be with you
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 02:12:58 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Disclaimer:
Not for resale, I only burn for myself what I already own - no pirate copies whatsover.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 02:10:44 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
My setlist hopes. 18 songs. Probably won't play most of these but this would be great if we got some deep deep stuff.
Green Book
Your Gold Teeth
The Boston Rag
Pearl Of The Quarter
Dr. Wu
Lunch With Gina
West Of Hollywood
Haitan Divorce
Riki Don't Lose That Number
Throw Back the Little Ones
Babylon Sisters
The Royal Scam
Show Biz Kids
My Rival
Glamour Profession
Pretzel Logic
oncore:
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 02:09:09 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Converting Tape cassettes and LP’s into cd’s is possible with the beautiful DENON CDR-W 1500.
It allows for analog files to be burned onto cd’s individually - track by track, tape or LP. Fade options as well.. Burning LP’s or tapes like side A o B will result in a 2 track CD if you don’t want to go through the trouble of hitting the PAUSE button after each track.
Sound is great and it has the slight crackling of LP’s on it - not recreated because it sounds fashionable and soothing- straight from the LP you grew up with - provided your turntable is up to speed.
Much better sound than the hastily released cd’s that came out at first. and sold well for years before the remastered versions were released - some of which still don’t match the original.
It is ideal for someone who has LP’s or Tapes that are not available on disk or the sound sucks as well as for folks who want to convert their LP collection into cd’s - this is time consuming, song by song.
My reason for buying the device was George Duke’s “Faces in Reflection” one of the great albums ever, still not available on disc.. Throw in some old Jaco on FM 1978 recorded on tape now on cd in your car stereo now and enjoy the ride.
Date: Fri, May 04, 2007, 02:06:50 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 20:39:45 ET
Posted by: RG,
There probably is a standalone device to transfer cassettes to CD. It's also probably for professionals. Do you really have that many cassettes?
I would say it's only worth it to convert from cassette to digital if there's no way to obtain a digital copy through other means. 99% of bootlegs and cds are available digitally without having to convert. The sound quality of the .wav files created from the cassettes will be worse than the original cassettes. So if we're talking recordings of the kids, of course there's no other choice. If we're talking your copy of OU812 or Memphis Blues Again, just get a digital copy.
That said, you may have your reasons for converting the cassettes. If your soundcard has line-in jacks, you can hook up a cassette player directly and convert to .wav files and burn from there. You will need a program to do this. I'm sure there's freeware. The sound quality will be bad probably because the analog lines are running directly into the computer, creating a lot of noise from the computer radiation.
If you don't have line-in jacks, or find the quality to be poor, you could buy an outboard analog->digital converter, probably for less than $100, and run the lines from the player to that, and then plug that into a USB port. The quality will be better because it's converted to digital sooner, and away from the computer.
The best quality would result from going to a service that does this. There are ones online, and I'm sure in your area as well. This would be done on high quality equipment and would result in the highest-quality files possible.
You asked me, so I'm giving you my opinion. But take it with a grain of salt. I'm Roger Giggles, not Roger Nichols. I've never done this before, so maybe it would be best to pick the brains of the plethora of musicians who look at this board who would know far better than I.
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 16:49:15 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Hey LWO,I i had not already paid full round trip ticket for my blow up doll i would take you up on that!! DAMN......fezzie
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 16:45:39 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Roger Giggles -
Speaking of "burning" CDs, is there a device/machine that can be purchased out there in cyberspace that can "burn"/transfer cassette tapes to CDs?
Thanks in advance -
BC
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 16:43:47 ET
Posted by: worm tom, new orleans
long time no blue
wormy from the old yellow, still at sea level and not flooded
a job change, 9 months out of state and still got the groove on
just not online much these days
I just won a large item on ebay that I have to pick up in Atlanta
just scored a single 6th row pit friday May 11!!! thank you Lord!
Any Dan festivities there in Atlanta?
Makes up for missing San Antonio with St Al last year do to a job change / move back to N.O. from Houston
I live in N.O., Ole, Aussie,Stevie D from N.C., Aja and Malc have all hooked up with me in the past.
will be at Acura stage sunday - back where you first can set up chairs (no chair parking right in front)
get the crawfish monica and get there at gate opening!
I'll have a 2 sided "play" "don't play" sign
big enough for the Donald to ignore
come say hello
will be sitting more on right side looking towards stage
less crazy that way. May make a flag pole for ID purposes
hope to hear Pearl of the Quarter, Dr Wu
good old friends in town so doubt I'll do an after festivities
hope to hook up in Atlanta as well
break out the hats and hooter gang
~ worm tom
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 15:52:54 ET
Posted by: prez logic, sick bay
Brad Paisley is ok by association because he's from LWO'S home town, and my home state. He's not a bad "picker" either, but Jon & Walt would be my choice that day. Wish I could be there...
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 15:02:50 ET
Posted by: Roger Giggles,
For recording and playing back media, +R and -R are essentially identical, just differing in the process by which the data is written to the disc. Just two different standards which evolved in parallel, like beta/VHS, but without the differences in quality. If you have a recorder from the past few years, it will do both. Doesn't hurt to check - just look at the drawer. With few exceptions, regular CD players will play both. If your player is not super duper old, it will play both.
Don't get RW discs, these are rewritable discs. These are mainly meant for data file storage. Really, with flash drives and cheap recordable discs there is little reason to by RWs.
I personally don't bother caring when I buy blank discs whether they're + or -. I wouldn't be surprised if Stereophile has a preference, but you should never listen to Stereophile.
It is interesting to note that the most recent studies indicate that recordable discs are likely to last longer than the pressed CDs and DVDs, due to oxidation over time of the pressed discs.
In an event, anything you burn should be backed up somewhere else.
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 14:54:50 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the travel desk
If anyone needs accommodations Saturday night in New Orleans, I CAN HELP!!!
Marriott on Canal!
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 14:41:30 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN
I'm bound for NO. Looking for and forward to all my Steely brothers and sisters.
Matt
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 14:22:38 ET
Posted by: Bodacious Cowboy, Here at the dude ranch
Hey, I LIKE Brad Paisley!
:^)
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 14:19:36 ET
Posted by: Bad News Breaking,
I was skeptical when I heard that Steely Dan would be webcast live from the New Orleans Jazz Fest. I was right. If you tune in to the Blue Room at 3:35, you'll get to hear Brad Paisley while Steely Dan is performing a few yards away.
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 13:44:38 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Thanks LWO
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 12:59:32 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, cubes
lc craig, Wicked Librarian, Ole and esteemed others:
SD is on the Acura Stage right after Allen Toussaint finishes, and they are scheduled to begin at 3:35 pm.
Thinking that it will be crowded, as this is the main stage and they are the act before Harry Connick, Jr., comes on to close at 5:45 pm. We are hoping to hang out all day in the general Acura stage vicinity...look for metallic helium balloons!
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 10:01:12 ET
Posted by: lowercase craig,
Did anybody see a starting time for SD in NO?
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 09:35:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hoops
Nice touch on the Danfest banner
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 08:42:01 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Yep I would go with sax or piano - very much part of the Gaucho period.
Hope everyone over there enjoys the upcoming shows - looking forward to the reports.
Good Elliot Scheiner quote about Carlock - "Keith is one of the best drummers who has ever lived" Recording magazine July (I think) 06.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 05:17:11 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Good story, jazzassin!
SS, you're right!! I was just getting used to the way it was. They definitely would have added a sax in the mix for the last minute.
Date: Thurs, May 03, 2007, 00:50:23 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
TJ, there's a part in the 2nd Arrangement full band version that slows right down...maybe three sustained chords in a row with big gaps inbetween. They would never have left that as it was.
I'm thinking a saxophone somewhere earlier and then all over the outtro including the part I mentioned, even where that theme guitar is playing, because it's really set up for something more, don't you think ?
Same as Mr. Sam. There's a gaping hole without vocals and only with a bed of chords underneath. I figure that's for a guitar solo..and the possibilities there are sweet.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 23:58:08 ET
Posted by: oleander, en route
LWO et al.--
See all you babies at JazzFest.
MWAH!
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 23:47:12 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, Irishmans shanty
I want to thank all the bluebook-ers for the posts and emails helping me with my quest for a Danfest. I really appreciate it. I look forward to meeting the Boston Dan fans! Or any Dan fans, for that matter!
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 23:30:40 ET
Posted by: Eclectic 1,
Suggested Setlist:
Mock Turtle Song
Wetside Story
Charlie Freak
Android Warehouse
Don't Take Me Alive
Show Biz Kids
Lucky Henry
My Rival
Stone Piano
The Fez
Pearl of the Quarter
You've Gotta Walk it Like You Talk It
Second Arrangement
Brain Tap Shuffle
Time Out of Mind
I Can't Write Home About You
Lunch With Gina
Brite Nitegown
Encore:
Kings
King of the World
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 22:06:00 ET
Posted by: Raven , meadows
Jazz-assasin: Being a part-time cave dweller myself and up until your post, I thought bats were very tasty. They may never taste the same again. :>~
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 21:44:43 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, Nude York, NY
Remember kiddies; New Orleans Jazzfest live feed:
www.blueroom.att.com
Kings
Dr. Wu
Home At Last
Rikki
Almost Gothic
The Royal Scam
Throw Back The Little Ones (Walter vocals)
Aja
Reelin'
Josie
Kid C
Deacon Blues
Hey 19
Don't Take Me Alive
FM
Do It Again
My Old School
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 21:18:05 ET
Posted by: Catsangoolo,
Rajah -
How do you know the part of one of the beginning lines in the lyric of TSA begins, "La Rue"?
Sincerely -
Bafancuolo
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 20:24:14 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Setlist Wars
Get your contributions in! The quasi-annual competition is nigh.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 19:23:56 ET
Posted by: tuba110, Perry, Ohio
Wow,
Been like 6 months since I was on here, and since the Blossom show in Cleveland. Anyone want to take bets on the set list being the same for this tour? I sure hope not! Still hoping to score tix to the Toledo Zoo, but it's looking pretty unlikely. Here's my thoughts on a setlist:
INTRO/BODI
REELING IN THE YEARS
AJA
TIME OUT OF MIND
I GOT THE NEWS
HERE AT THE WESTERN WORLD
BLACK FRIDAY/COUSIN DUPREE (rotate from show to show)
HAITIAN DIVORCE :)
CHAIN LIGHTNING
HEY NINETEEN
BABYLON SISTERS/PIXELEEN (rotate from show to show)
DR. WU (hopefully!)
DEACON BLUES/BLACK COW (rotate from show to show)
SHOW-BIZ KIDS
DO IT AGAIN
PEG
DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE
KID C
ENCORES
MY OLD SCHOOL
FM
As you can see, I don't have very high hopes on anything too different from this past fall. Given what they did play occassionally, I think that we'll see Pixeleen and Dupree in there once in a while, and I really hope they pull out Dr. Wu for once and for all. Love to hear "Divorce" too!
Bob - Perry, OH
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 19:22:52 ET
Posted by: jazzassin, Oslo, Norway
SCIENTIFIC NEWS:
3 OUT OF 3 RATHER SMALL BATS PREFERS DANCING TO
STEELY DAN's "LUNCH WITH GINA"
(Nightly Zoological Studies Dep.)
Hello All Fellow Dannies!
Being a newbie at this forum, I will share with you a fascinating story, wich actually happened to me about one week ago as I was walking home from work in the theatre at apprx 01:AM local time:
3 bats (a kind quite often seen in this part of town) was hunting insects above me, as I strolled along listening to SD "Lunch With Gina" on my portable media player - a Sony Walkman NW-A3000 - using earplugs. I noticed that the bats, shortly after the song had started, came flapping seriously fast towards me, then stopped right over/ in front of my head at 2 armlengths distance, beginning to dance... Hey, these guys are fans as well, I thought, knowing bats have a good hearing due to their use of sonar waves for hunting purposes. As their behaviour was absolutely surprising and new to me, I wanted to check out for sure if this was the case, or if perhaps the bats was trigged by other factors than the choice of music for the event. Could it be some HF sound generated by the HDD in the music player? After all, I used earplugs with very little leakage of sound. Could it be that they were Low-Brow's (and maybe drunk), and happy with any music? Hell, no, when I tried to play anything else than Gina, the ran off and resumed the hunting activities. Stuff tested was like other tracks by Steely Dan, Spike Jones's Musical Depreciation, Gary Burton Qartet, Brian Wilson. However, when putting Gina on again, the came back - from a distance of about 50-75 meters! Once again performing their strange, yet very fascinating dance! So, it is hereby discovered that bats have a very selective and sophisticated musical taste, and that the only known song that will tempt them to take a break and dance in the middle of the important early springtime hunting sessions, is Steely Dan's "Lunch With Gina"! A good choice, if I may say so!
-jazzassin
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 16:51:52 ET
Posted by: holycats, right here
My preorder email was stuck in the 'junk folder' so keep an eye out!
My confirmation says (signed by DF) so there's only 99 left...
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 16:42:32 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Just got my pre-sale e-mail for fagans trilogy and dvd...54.95 plus shipping.....first 100 orders signed by donald.keep an eye out for the e-mail or go to donalds store.....fezzie
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 16:00:01 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
PaulaJo--
You should have received an email earlier today about the Boston and other Danfests. Please email me if not. No need to reply if you received the info.
Jim
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 15:45:45 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, get me out of PSU
FlipKid- hey, that gives me some hope! I really won't complain about ANY setlist since I'm happy to just be able to go...but hearing your favorites is just an added bonus. Glad you like my list!
Last night got my ticket for May 30th in Boston....I am so so excited...what to wear, what to wear...and still looking for the Boston party, pre and post if any!
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 15:01:12 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Here's my list in no specific order:
2VN
What a Shame about Me
Boston Rag
Pretzel Logic
Home at Last
YGT I and II
Gaucho
Time out of Mind
Everyone's Gone to the Movies
Bad Sneakers
Haitian Divorce
Caves of Altamira
Show Biz Kids
Gaslighting Abbie
Jack of Speed
Kid Charlemagne
Black Cow
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 14:33:15 ET
Posted by: Steve, Macon, GA
There is discussion about Atlanta events surrounding the show. On the Dan Fan list for Atlanta.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 14:13:23 ET
Posted by: DR. WU, Are you with me?
Do any Danfans in Atlanta know of any Danfests planned before the May 11 wingding?
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 14:11:48 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
"I would love to hear these: (remember I have never been to a SD show before, this is certainly an impossible dream!)
Babylon Sisters
Kid Charlemagne
Aja
Godwhacker
Almost Gothic
Peg
Janie Runaway
Deacon Blues
Don't Take Me Alive
Cousin Dupree
Lunch With Gina
Hey Nineteen"
PaulaJo, I saw SD two summers ago in Camden, NJ (terrible venue, but great show), and they DID play all off the songs on your Wish List... except for the Almost Gothic, Janie Runaway, Cousin Dupree and Lunch With Gina. So it's quite likely that you'll get to hear at least some of the songs on your list.
(I'm totally down with your list, too... except that I'd add Green Book!)
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 13:29:33 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
Hi all, I had an opportunity to spend a long weekend in NYC. Hit Birdland and saw Les Paul at a great little jazz club on Broadway. Got his autograph and chatted about his museum opening in Waukesha WI. AT 92 he's still got some spunk. It was a treat. Also saw the Dan shows video concert posters on Radio City I think it was..fun weekend!
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 12:31:28 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
SS, HK, what hole? The guitar seems to be playing the theme at the end. You think there was suppose to be a solo on top of it?
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 12:06:23 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, still at PSU
LaRue you summed that up perfectly! So being an unaccompanied female will not make me conspicuous. I see people are making wishlists for setlists. Mine will probably seem obvious, but oh well. I know that no matter what they play, I must hear Peg live. There is a certain part of that song that when I hear it I always flick my cigarette out of the car window and watch the sparks trail behind me in the dark. I don't know why I do this. Probably only a Dan fan would understand.
I would love to hear these: (remember I have never been to a SD show before, this is certainly an impossible dream!)
Babylon Sisters
Kid Charlemagne
Aja
Godwhacker
Almost Gothic
Peg
Janie Runaway
Deacon Blues
Don't Take Me Alive
Cousin Dupree
Lunch With Gina
Hey Nineteen
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 11:27:36 ET
Posted by: Spinning; CD? DVD? Here's a, couple of sites to begin with. Welcome to the jungle!
Wikipedia starts out with the CD. The following page has links to all CD/DVD formats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc
* * *
And here's a couple more...
http://www.itweek.co.uk/computeractive/features/2163433/setting-standards
http://www.videoguys.com/DVDformat.html
http://www.proactionmedia.com/cdr_basics.htm
http://www.proactionmedia.com/dvd_media_formats.htm
Prefer it with moving pictures? Here's a short film on just DVD+/-:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F5OzU6sT5hQ
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 10:44:55 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
That low-res (full band) second attempt at the 2nd Arrangement has an obvious hole where there is meant to be a solo near the end.
Which instrument do you hear there ?
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 10:20:01 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Thanks SteelyDoc for the heads-up. Had to fight my way in to order - they either were very busy or were having server problems. I was probably a little late on the 1st 100 deal but whatever.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 09:00:23 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Rajah et al
Yes reggae what a delightful feel that is and if you do a lot of ironing put on some Black Uhuru and get it on.
As an exercise I gave my drum teacher a copy of TSA demo and asked him to put down his own drum part (he hadn't heard the original) and after a week he played - yes you've guessed it - a reggae groove with a touch of AJA thrown in at the end for good measure.
And yes SD material does have a lope - I put it down to the combination of the great drum, bass and rhythm guitar parts and the overall behind the beat feel.
R
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 08:41:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Steely Doc
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 01:51:22 ET
Posted by: everything must go on,
Sue Dave I agree. That is a bitchin run of songs! They got their mojo back, all good even Slang, Walt vocal is good.
If they keep going like that it gives hope for Steely Dan Ten which could end up being monster smash. But it will be tough act to follow.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 01:24:18 ET
Posted by: mall rat,
Last Mall should be considered for an opener, it's kind of a warm up song as people get to their seats, smoke begins to rise etc.
Or it could be used just before taking a break between sets, the ending breaks off perfectly for Donald standing up saying we'll be back after a short intermission...
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 00:58:31 ET
Posted by: suedave, out west
Thanks for that heads-up SteelyDoc!
Been listening to EMG a bit lately, I'm always astounded at the run from Godwhacker to Lunch w/Gina - I always find myself turning up the volume for each successive song.
Wouldn't it be great to hear these songs live somewhere in the HR set...
King of the World
Green Book
Boston Rag (the best opener ever)
Chain Lightning
Deacon Blues
Jack of Speed
Almost Gothic
Green Earrings
Gaucho
My Rival
Here at the Western World ala DF Solo tour
Third World Man
Bodhisattva
The Fez
Plus a couple of DF/WB songs from their solo albums and voila! A perfectly sublime setlist.
Date: Wed, May 02, 2007, 00:40:18 ET
Posted by: Wha?,
Lash LaRue was the b-side of Moonlight Feels Right by Starbuck, not the coffee back around 1974.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 23:52:52 ET
Posted by: LaRue, a new address
PaulaJo:
Darlin don't worry about appearing to solicit attention from your truck on Blue. This, being one of the most dangerous places in cyberspace to connect with members of the opposite sex. Trust me. One of the many thrusts, if you will allow a slight double-entendre, of the azure SD firmament is to offset the ill effects of going to a Steely Dan show with someone who is not TOTALLY committed. Better alone than ill-accompanied as the Man once said.
Enjoy, PJ.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 23:06:01 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, Shipping up to Boston
Thank you TravelDesk...I am going on ticketmaster right now and just picking a show based on the available tickets then. And hoping for a Danfest happening before the one I choose. This is my very first Steely Dan concert! Last time I went to a concert I brought my friend with me and she got so hammered I had to spend the whole show babysitting her. I am not making that mistake again- hence my decision to go alone. I want this to be special!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 22:52:11 ET
Posted by: the travel desk,
Hey, hey PaulaJo,
Either night in Boston is a winner. Hoops, our esteemed host, always has Danfest pages posted in advance. Stay tuned!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 22:47:35 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, Adirondack Mts.
I just read my post and realized it made it seem like I am looking for a date for the concert, but I really am just looking for a danfest and ticket advice, honest!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 22:43:18 ET
Posted by: PaulaJo, Adirondack Mts. NY
Hello, I am trying to find any pre-show festivities that might be going on in Boston before either show. I am going to the show by myself,as my graduation present to myself, and I can't think of anyone I want to share the experience with that would fully appreciate it. So though I am attending solo, I thought it might be nice to meet some other fans before the show so I can at least have a drink or two. Are there any Danfests going on? Also, any suggestions on which show I should pick? I can't go to both....I am getting my tickets online tonight based on what I might find out on this message board! I hope someone can help me decide!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 22:19:36 ET
Posted by: seth2112, cleveland, via nyc and tampa fl
new rush album, snakes and arrows out in stores today!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 22:07:14 ET
Posted by: Spinning, Lost in the DVD, CD aisle
Can someone help this poor lost soul in the DVD, CD aisle? Can you simplify for me, or tell where I can find the information, on what CD, DVD formats should be used for what? There are -R, +R, -RW, +RW, etc etc etc. What should be used for music? video? for the home DVD recorder? music downloads that play in ALL cd players? Stuff like that. I need the DVD/CD for Dummies book! Thanks. Going to look for the aspirin now.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 21:49:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yer darn tootin it would've been a gem. The Immortal Victor Feldman, Steely Dan Stealth Weapon, played piano on the original, as I am informed by his son. By all accounts, 2ndA as laid down was transcendent. The hooks are so awesome, I see it as a companion piece to Hey 19, actually I see Hey 19 as a sort of responsorial reprise or maybe sidecar to 2ndA. And it reminds me so much of some Duke Ellington classics, Perdido especially or even Caravan. Do you hear 2ndA moving along like I do? Actually a sense of locomotion, the young philanderer motoring from place to place for his next assignation? Packing up his Gladstone bag, made famous, BTW, by Wilde's, Importance of Being Earnest and stepping out like Lash LaRue, dashing protagonist of the serial shorts which bore his name in the wayback. OK, mabbe it's just me. But I can tell you that when the phone call came in from NYC to Feldman informing him of the erasure, the normally good-natured and erudite gentleman threw the telephone across the room.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 21:02:47 ET
Posted by: 2nd arrangement,
I just got to say that I listend to 2nd arrangement maybe 2-3 times in a row over the weekend out of curiosity. It is Tuesday and that part Then I run to the second arrangment, the home of a mutual friend, keeps replaying in my head. Man, that would have been one catchy tune with a few pop hooks added in. It might have made Gaucho an LP with 3 top 30 singles? I could see how they could be pissed by losing it.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 20:31:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thank you SteelyDoc, on the qui vive!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 20:02:16 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower Theater
you can now PRE-ORDER the NIGHTFLY TRILOGY at DF.com, in the "show business" section, in the Great Pagoda of Merch!!!!
The first 100 orders will be signed by DF!!!!!!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 19:10:37 ET
Posted by: Wicked Librarian, tumbles into the sea
Little Wild One, I'd be happy to help out with Dan Festivities. Will make my way to the Marriott on Canal after show, too.
XOXO Wicked Librarian
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 18:17:59 ET
Posted by: may day dan connection,
"Bloody May Day
When the wild ones did their looting
And your boys came in there shooting
Were You Blind That Day?"
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 17:04:49 ET
Posted by: scurvybrother, southland
shelah
N.O. Jazzfest - they have eliminatdd chairs up front
you can get there at 11 run to the area and set up (about 30 yeards back) a nice view and they have a big screen on the left
if you want to hang out front center - only on a small blanket and you will be in a crowded sea of humanity all afternoon
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 14:24:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Richard, reggae, that's a notion I haven't ever considered but it made me think of the comment Walter made years back about the Steely Dan "lope," which we've discussed here many a time and oft, that little hitch in the gittalong of songs like Josey, DuPree, Jack of Speed, Gaucho, Do It Again even, others. So take a straight blues, well altered with mu chords here and there, like Daddy or Monkey, add that lope and you progress rhythmically to the songs just mentioned, the Josey, Gaucho so now take it a step further, more hitch, more retard, and you get Haitian Divorce, a reggae prototype if ever there was one. Say what you will about Steely Dan being whiter than white, these boys throw in a buttload of ginchy little rhythm tricks. And it seems like it's getting more prevelant as time passes, Last Mall, Blues Beach, EMG, Mary. I think it's one of the reasons I can listen to this stuff for decades on end. They make it interesting, the songs don't just lay there, they still have pop and fizz. It's like making love to the same woman for 35 years and not getting bored. Doesn't happen often.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 12:47:22 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
SS in HK
The demo of TSA has a reggae feel but that's where it ends - both full versions are anything but. Whether Nightfly is some sort of reworking is up for grabs - doesn't sound like it to me but then I play the drums - if there are melodic similarities can a musician let us know.
Josey - yes Negative Girl could be an example - thanks - although it does virtually stay in the reggae feel all the way through.
On the set list stuff - as a UK fan I really don't care - after seven years it will just be great to get some live Dan.
If I had a choice though it would be
Overture
Deep classics from across all albums
DF and WB Solo
Deep classics from across all albums
Intermission
Aja in its entirety in the correct order
Other Hits (FM, Sisters etc)
Encores
And what I would really like to see is a couple of numbers where its just Don, Walt, Freddie and Carlock as a quartet
We can all dream tho and I shall continue to do so
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 10:11:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Rajah
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 09:48:24 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Richard - Negative Girl would be another that came to mind immediately.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 08:08:58 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, May Day
Even I must admit that organizing a Danfest at the NO Jazzfest is going to be a challenge! However, our off-fest headquarters is the Marriott on Canal Street. Look us up Saturday evening if you are in the vicinity!
As for the main event on Sunday, I will attach some helium balloons to our chairs (hopefully, up front and center!), so meander on ovah.
Selah.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 03:45:22 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Talking of similarities bewtween songs, I've noticed that D&F have a penchant for using just hi-hat/ride cymbal and bass drum for the intros to quite a few songs - have a listen
Peg
Deacon Blues
IGY
Aja
FM
Gaslighting Abbie
Shame About Me
Bad Sneakers
Gina
And I am sure there are others
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 03:31:40 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thanks!
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 02:29:07 ET
Posted by: MJOHO, Near the Long Island Expressway
Scurybrother,
Wouldn't it be cool to hear Pearl of the Quarter in New Orleans?
Whatever they play I am sure it will be fine.
Have you ever been to the New Orleans Festival before? I just bought my ticket for the fairgrounds. I hope it will be fun.
Date: Tues, May 01, 2007, 02:18:30 ET
Posted by: Raven, in a cave in a cave where my love never shaves
Moray (me?),how'dja do that. . . with your radioshackstaractivatedmacrothinger and your phillipsanaloguedigitizer? whatasurprise!
Well, springtime is heah and pokeman and moi (in
can't-waitforMay24Tower)heard/saw Elvis Costello Sat. eve and whoa. Stop the presses, vicki vale. hehe j&j
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 23:32:42 ET
Posted by: me, .
http://212.178.99.195:8080/SteelyDanDatabase/sounds/WereYouBlindThatDay.mp3
If I ever opened a law firm specializing in DWI defense, that's what I would name it.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 22:14:17 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
Scurvy, I'd pit money on it being a hit-heavy setlist. In fact, I would not be surprised if it was very similar to last summer's shows.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 16:47:37 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I sure would love to hear "Were you blind that day"!
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 15:54:44 ET
Posted by: were you blind that day,
Hey Bill from Pgh,
"Were you blind that day" is the exact same song as "Third World Man" just with diffent lyrics. The demo that is floating around uses the same backing tracks and guitar solo, but the vocal performance is different, even a bit bizarre.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 15:38:43 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Kid Clean, Thanks, but please don't interrrupt your concert to text message...if you could let us know afterwards if they play anything different, say new Walter stuff, that would be great. Have a wonderful time.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 15:33:13 ET
Posted by: scurvybrother, southland
going on a road trip to see Steely Dan at the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. They play this sunday May 6th.
I didn't see any recent setlists scrolling down this page
is it the same as the 'phone it in' best of of last year?
As the set is abbreviated for Jazzfest
3:35 - 5 pm only 1 hour and 25 minutes
was wondering if we would get
1) the lamest of the songs
peg, reelin, do it again
2) the better of the songs
aja, babylon
3) stellar rarities
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 14:27:09 ET
Posted by: Steely Don, at the dude ranch
I think to say that Big Noise New York and EMG are similar is not taking it far enough. DF wrote Big Noise New York in the late 1980s for a movie but I don't think it was every officially released. When I heard Big Noise New York it was right after EMG was released and I noticed right away that the melody at the end of the verse was exactly the same from that of Big Noise. Then after listening and reading to some of the press for 2003 from Steely Dan, WB commented that the music from EMG had actually come from a piece of Donald's work that he had lying around ... one could conclude it was Big Noise. So I wouldn't say they are similar as if to indicate a coincidence. I would say they sound the same deliberately because the hook from Big Noise worked well in EMG and since Big Noise was never officially released, no "average" Dan Fan would ever notice anyway.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 14:21:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoops, we all do need to take heed of this latest ruling to restrict, curtail, infringe and otherwise bleed and erode the freedom on this here internet. Combine that with the undeniable fact that the music business as we've known it since radio is dying and the industry is seeking desparately to hold on to as much control as possible. But try as they may, hello, it's morphing into something radically different, nothing can stop it. Internet killed the record store stars. And I fear it's only a matter of time before Big Brother gets a strangle hold on cyberspace, that seems to be the pattern, historically, on new communication technologies since the friggin telegraph. We may someday look back on this first internet decade and a half with more than a little nostalgia. So contact your House Reps, by all means.
The Second Arrangement may have been Balkanized by Don here and there into smaller bits and pices, yes, Nightfly but no Steely Dan song came close to this great lyric as far as it speaks to the stone cold young man crawling like a viper from woman to woman:
Pour out the wine, little girl
I've got just two friends in this whole wide world
Here's to reckless lovers
We all need somebody
Stashed in the yellow Jag
I've got my life and laundry in this Gladstone bag
You should know the program
Just one red rose and a tender goodbye
[One last goodbye]
And I run to the second arrangement
It's only the natural thing
LaRue steps out with no regrets
A sparkling conscience
A new address
Then I run to the second arrangement
The home of a mutual friend
Now's the time to redefine the first arrangement again
It's a sticky situation
A serious affair
I must explain it to you somehow
Right now I'll just move back one square
Here comes that noise again
Another scrambled message from my last best friend
Something I can dance to
A song with tears in it
Old friends abandon me
It's just the routine politics of jealousy
Someday we'll remember
That one red rose and one last goodbye
[One last goodbye]
Very different sentiments here than, say, Great Pagoda, what? Yes, Ethel, decades do change even the most unconscionable piggy bank shaker. Here's one last red rose and a tender goodbye to the stone cold taker that was.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 13:46:15 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh, pittsburgh
Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Third World Man evolved from a discarded track called "Were You Blind That Day." I believe it did fill the slot originally intended for The Second Arrangement but I don't think it shares any muscial elements.
By the way, from the limited surviving versions, I consider TSA to be a rather minor work with a monotonous beat, but that may be the result of trying in vain to recapture the feel of the erased version with a different band (Why didn't they bring back the original players? Go figure). Kulee Baba would have been a better choice to finish for the album (not in place of TWM, but in addition, to replace TSA). Vinyl LPs were limited in length so they must have had to pick one or the other.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 13:02:20 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
Denise - Yes, I will be at the Memphis show in ONLY 5 loooooong days.
I can text message the set list as it goes. If anyone is interested just contact me.
Peace,
KC
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 09:56:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
It seems like someone posted awhile back that 2nd Arrangement evolved into some other song. Is that correct?
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 09:47:51 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
SS, yeah, I admit it. Sound like Josie was actually build upon Daddy, in a lster more jazz-evolved Steely Dan period.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 09:18:16 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
TJ, imagine singing the Daddy verse over the Josie verse groove.
I'm with you though on 2nd Arrangement. That's some kind of near reggae beat, which The Nightfly is nothing like.
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007, 05:15:55 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Brain H, I guess it all depends on how much scrutiny you put in to the investigation. For me to compare songs by "association" just isn't enough. But you have a point. songs can be related in many ways. Even lyrically.
As for Josie and Daddy, yes there are definite similarities. Both songs are based on a traditionally blues form, with a standard break. But Josie is so much more sophisticated and harmonically complex that I never thought of them as related.
Point being, if "Blues" is the criteria for comparison, Josie, Daddy, Mall, Jack, Boddhi, Dupree, Joan, What I do etc. are all very very close related.
It's not that I disagree with you, I just think stating that Nightfly is a rework of Second A, is taking it a bit far. As others have said, D&W have bits ans peices floating around, and with a catalog of 100+ songs there better be similarities.
I'll get back to you with my example. For now EMG and Big Noise is the strongest example there is.
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 22:13:43 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, ,
HBO's hit series Entourage playing a snippet of "Hey 19" tonight.
Wow, add that to the other list of HBO shows that have played SD tunes over the years. The Sopranos, Six Feet Under and Sex and the City have all had a Dan tune in the soundtrack. Someone at HBO likes Don and Walt.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 22:07:38 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
They just played a clip of Hey Nineteen on Entourage!
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 21:20:11 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
Good posts.
Zitomer-Sounds like you could be correct between EMG and Big Noise NY. I have never heard Big Noise NY, so I can't personally comment.
TJ- For every question I have posted, about 15 of them thus far, someone has gotten the answer I had in mind when I posed the question. But there were times when some people came in with something different, and we learned something.
As far as "Daddy Don't Live in that NYC" and "Josie", which was a previous question that was answered correctly in less than 1/2 hour, it seems pretty obvious to me.
I am interested in learning more about some of the terms you use and how you apply them to Dan/Don F. songs. Pick two songs from the 100 or so from the 12 SD/Fagen Trilogy that YOU think are related, if you would, Then we could go thru where you see the similarities. I guess I generally focus in on the TIMING and MELODY. Sequential chord progressions might be thought of as melodic arrangement of compound notes? A certain FEEL. Listening to one might cause the other to pop into consciousness. How about Teahouse and Green Book, for example?
As for Gaucho and Nightfly, I don't hear any similarity, but not being a trained musician, I won't confirm or deny its existence. The timing is, to me, is so different, Gaucho slow and plodding, Nightfly, up-tempo, melodically different. On what level do you feel these are similar?
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 17:25:21 ET
Posted by: nightfly, 2nd arr ????,
I think a better connection could be argued between the song Gaucho and the song Nightfly more than Nightfly and 2nd Arr.
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 17:24:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Brain Hemorrhager, you got to be even more specific to be convincing. Is it the chord progression, is it the melody, the form?
If you insist on using "Daddy Don't Live in NYC" and "Josie" as an example of similarity, you just lost me. Cant decide whether you are having fun or hearing things we dont hear.
Now EMG and Big Noise is a totally different story. Harmony and Melody in these lines are exactly the same:
"I only hear the loudest voices, The ones with something new to sell"
"And light up all the Luckies, Crankin' up the afterglow"
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 13:24:13 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer,
Brain
What about EMG and Big Noise. I hear alot of similar melodies or whatever they are called in them.
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 10:10:22 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
Re: This was a tough question mainly in that the similarities between "The Second Arrangement" and "The Nightfly" are not as strong as between, let's say "Daddy Don't Live in NYC" and "Josie"
Rework is perhaps too strong a word. Derived is better.
Comparing verse to verse of "The Second Arrangement" and the "The Nightfly", the bodies of the songs are very similar. "The Nightfly" differs in that that piano hook is added after every other verse line. Also "Second Arrangement's" uses of Mu majors and "transitions", that little instrumental part just before its outro evoke "Deacon Blues" and "Josie", key elements of Don F's "musical vocabulary" as you put it, were removed on "Nightfly".
To make an analogy, if "Nightfly" were a painting, "The Second Arrangement" would have been the pencil tracing, or template used for it's creation, rather than a blank canvas. And given "Nightfly's" appearance soon after the alleged erasure of "Second Arrangement", for which it was reported that Don F. was extremely peeved might further lend credence to this. But that, of course, is conjecture.
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 09:42:27 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Lonnie,
Try www.ticketone.it and go to "music". First, you have to register yourself and than you can order your tickets. With DHL , people outside Italy will receive their tickets between the three days.
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 09:04:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks Hoops Re: RFD I'll make the call first thing on Monday
Sandy amazon.com is where I purchased "Plush Jazz Party"
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 02:23:52 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Italia
Hello one and all,
Lonnie is heading out to Italia to see the Dan on the final night of the Euro tour. What a treat. This is a birthday gift for me from my wife to be whilst we are on our honeymoon! What a woman -- marriage, Italy, honeymoon and the Dan. Awesome, truly awesome. Now, who on the Blue can speak/read Italian to help get tix for this gig?Help!
Lonnie (of 19 and 65)
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 01:29:39 ET
Posted by: Mjoho, Near the Long Island Expressway
Has anyone gone to the New Orleans Jazz Festival, before? Is it smarter to buy a ticket for the fairgrounds or just the artist? Did you have a blast at the venue? I have the great fortune to be in New Orleans on next Sunday and would like to see the Dan in action. Any advice or comments are welcomed. Thanks in advance, Mike
Date: Sun, April 29, 2007, 01:01:31 ET
Posted by: sandy, long island
Saw on you-tube great performances from what appeared to be a tv
studio concert. "logo" visible in lower right corner of screen was
"FOX 8". vintage approx. 2000? the quality was super. can someone please tell me about this? any way to obtain dvd of the
complete program - strictly for personal enjoyment - if not objectionable to SD ?
thanks.
sandy
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 22:53:09 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Cubano Chant
Y'all are truly so amusing. Even if I don't know the answer(a). Thanks!
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 22:03:45 ET
Posted by: hey brain hemo,
No no no.
You're going to have to be much more specific to call Nightfly a "reworking" of 2nd Arr rather than a few coincidences of Donalds musical vocabulary.
What exactly are you calling a reworking?
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 21:27:18 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
"The instrumental backing/sound of "The Second Arrangement" DID go on to a song in the Fagen Trilogy which is most nearly derived from that tune. Name that tune."
"The Second Arrangement" and its supposed ignominious demise is a bittersweet enigma for many it Dandom. As is typical of a Don F. composition, bits and pieces of songs show up here and there, but nowhere else does "The Second Arrangement" sound resurface as strongly as it does in "The Nightfly". Chris of Massachusetts was first with the correct answer.
With all of the known difficulties of producing "Gaucho", Don F., if you think about it went solo pretty rapidly thereafter, at least by Dan standards. Perhaps it was in the plan towards the end of "Gaucho" that Don would take his time and rework the ill-fated "Second Arrangement" rather than re-record it. If so, many would say he went one better and satisfied himself forever at the same time by taking something from the cutting room floor which resulted in the classic "The Nightfly", arguably one of the top ten songs in the Dan/Don F. body of work.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 15:35 ET
Posted by: Pearl of the Quarter slide guitar,
At about 2 minutes into this video, the demonstrator uses Pearl of the Quarter in a 1 minute demonstration of a new guitar bridge that allows a normal guitar to be played as a pedal-steel guitar. Very tasty and cool.
http://www.gearwire.com/media/gearwire-crosstalk-030-part-3-duesenberg.mov
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 12:05:48 ET
Posted by: The Real Ann, Borneo
Well, well, well!
There appear to be two Anns in Borneo, or maybe it's my evil twin Avril posting in my name!! For the record, the message below was not me. [Note: The messages have since been removed by hoops.] Apart from having travelled over a fair bit of our beautiful world, I happen to have spent 10 years working in the travel industry, set up Tourism training for the Brunei Government and consequently, know just a little bit about airline routes, codes, city codes and fare basis codes. Not too confusing if you apply your brain. So please take your pathetic games somewhere else.
:-)
The real Ann
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 11:27:36 ET
Posted by: DVD?,
Iffen day do do it, it jus gots ta be bettah den dat AIA crapola.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 10:56:04 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Wonder what the odds of a live DVD coming from this tour are. Seems like one of the Japan shows would be ripe for such a thing.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 10:40:56 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
Re: I meant to say what do YOU think is correct answer. I don't yet confirm or deny that the correct answer has been given until we have a chance to sweep thru all the time zones.
Also, there might not be just one answer, so we might pick something up here not thought of. And it could come out of Singapore, Madagascar, Zanzibar, who knows?
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 10:09:56 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrahger,
No, no, no. The choice of the handles "strainer" or "hemorrhager" is not an identifier, rather the presumed calculated difficulty of the question. A "hemorrhager" is usually more difficult, about 7.5 to 10. Hope this diffuses the confusion.
BTW, do you still want to try for the correct answer, which is mainly what we're interested in here?
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 09:43:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer, Strait Jacket
Your third clue concerns the song based upon the melody of Hey Wow It's You Again.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 09:42:05 ET
Posted by: The Mongoose, World Wise, I Realize, That Everybody's Crazy, Am I Myself or Just Another Freak?
Lotta of gasbags around this meesage board, huh? Is anything of note or merit ever discovered (other than toiletry shopping for Stee ly Dan concerts)?
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 07:57:25 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Isn't it fitting that TWM would ultimately replace TSA - a depressing narrative (paralleling the then lives of our Third World "Men") beset by a melancholic tune (esp. the chorus section)?
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 03:58:39 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
After an unrelieved bout of nostalgia for Poncey Ponce I went on the web and discovered:
Hawaiian Eye was about 5 or 10 years old by the time we got to see it in Australia.
Boy was I wrong. Poncey Ponce was actually Poncie Ponce and his character was Kazuo Kim.
He was a bantam: the smallest Hawaiian man I've ever seen.
Don and Walt must have enjoyed Hawaiian Eye. It had more than a few hip elements and some well-nourished starlets. Possibly Walter's Hawaiian thing originated from this very show. I'm depending on Brian Sweet to follow up this lead.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 03:35:18 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Bullgoose here.
Interesting to see the phrase 'elitist ponce' appearing in a couple of posts.
Australians enjoy calling people 'ponces', as in 'What did you do that for, you ponce?'
We pronounce it 'poonce'. (the oo as in look)
I remember that during my childhood hilarity would erupt whenever the opening credits of Hawaian Eye came on the TV and we saw the character called Poncey Ponce. ( a loveable Polynesian ukulele-weilding sidekick) It's un-Australian not to smirk or giggle when you hear that name.
Steely music caters for the elitist ponce, the musician, the twitchy, the party-harder, the winner, the loser and also the slack-jawed. (to a degree) This is very good. The loveable Steely Dan is like Poncey Ponce with a harder edge, except that the boys are nobody's sidekicks.
When 'ponce' is too strong, Australians sometimes use 'quince'. Nobody ever got their lights punched out in Australia for calling someone a quince. The phrase 'elitist quince' is unlikely to be heard because if you're a quince you have, by definition, nothing to be elitist about.
I'm glad we had this little chat.
Date: Sat, April 28, 2007, 03:30:04 ET
Posted by: Levels, Levels
Midnight Cruiser = Hollies' Dear Eloise
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 22:22:57 ET
Posted by: Chris, ma
The Nightfly?
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 21:08:51 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
There has been much lamenting about the unreleased track "The Second Arrangement" and what might have been. And as is true of many things, such as a sports legend cut down in his prime, it kind of leaves a void, a sense of unfinished business.
It has been intimated that "Third World Man" replaced "Second Arrangement" on "Gaucho", which kept it in line with "Aja", as the two Dan albums of new material having the least (7) tracks.
But there is always the lingering sense that Gaucho was headed for 8 or 9 tracks which has been the rule for the Dan and Don F. post Scam.
But Danfans, take heart. The instrumental backing/sound of the "Second Arrangement" DID go on to a song in the Fagen Trilogy which is most nearly derived from that tune. Name that tune.
Difficulty Level is about 7.5 to 8.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 20:45:26 ET
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Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 18:12:39 ET
Posted by: ed-beatty, @woh
Hi
WTF?
Critiques?
WOW
ED
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 18:11:45 ET
Posted by: ed-beatty, @woh
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 13:16:10 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Lawgator - will look forward to seeing you in Orlando! We've got a group of about 10 to 12 going.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 12:20:07 ET
Posted by: Denise, H
Hey Kid Clean,
Did you mention that you are going to the first show in Memphis? If so, would you mind letting us know what they play? Thanks.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 12:12:29 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Oz
Greetings and salutations to one and all,
Though we've discussed it before, here's a few songs I'd like to hear at the 5/12 show in Orlando (in no particular order):
Black Cow (can't Yahel help out on that?)
EMG (I could use a little face time)
Blues Beach (Would like to meet Trina)
Lunch with Gina
Bhodisatva
IGY (Why not something from one of the solo albums?)
New Frontier (Ditto)
Cousin Dupree (I know, I know, too obvious)
BTW, I'm still going to host a little Danfest in case anyone is making it down. We'll meet up at Margaritaville, just across the little lake from the venue. I'm figuring 6ish.
LG
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 10:17:47 ET
Posted by: JH,
no Canada?, what about the other 2/3 of the US?
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 09:49:05 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Ottawa
Fife,
Sorry for the tardy reply - I will definitely send you an email once I get back home. I am currently on the road for work and do not have the luxury of internet access. Words I never thought I would say in the same sentence - but I believe it is the coming of this age; luxury and internet. Yet to see a room that is dedicated to Don, Walter, Ben, Willie, Troy, Alfie, Ray, and Jason (just to name a few) would be the closest thing to living in heaven I suppose. NFL, NHL, and SD WOW!
Well in case other Danfans care - the Ottawa Senators won the first game of this round against the New Jersey Devils last night (this is hockey by-the-by). Although I respect the Devils I can't help but think of Puddy in that episode of Seinfeld, dressed all in red scaring the beejeebers out of a priest.
Anywho - this will be the first SD tour I will miss since 93. Not happy about it either. Although previous priorities (this thing we call "work") is keeping me from seeing the Two, I do want to add one point: WHERE IN HELL ARE THE CANADIAN DATES? As much as I am happy for our overseas brethren and sisterhood, I am not overjoyed at being overlooked. In certain ways, it is almost disrespectful. They could at the very least, do a Toronto gig. The one solo gig to get cancelled on Don's Morph tour was a Canadian gig. That hurt. No re-schedule - just cancelled. I understand the "duties, tariffs, and taxes" bs, but there is simply no excuse for not having ONE freakin gig in the Great White North. In Montreal, there is the Montreal Jazz Festival which is the largest Jazz festival in the world, outside of New Orleans. In Ottawa, there is the Bluesfest (although it features blues artists, it is more of a music festival), which is the largest Blues Festival outside of Chicago. Both festivals are in the summer. Both festivals draw in over 1 million people. Both festivals are during the same time of the SD tour in the U.S. With SD doing a world tour this year - I simply don't understand the Canadian snub. Like I said before it can be interpretted as disrespectful.
Anyone who knows, will tell you Canadians are not a bunch of eskimos, hosers, or trailer park boys up here. Are football is different (NOT better), our beer is stronger, but our love for the Dan is just the same.
Woodman, out.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 09:17:45 ET
Posted by: A-fan, .
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Somebody here posted in '03 that they got very good seats minutes before the Mohegan Sun show. This is why.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 08:36:04 ET
Posted by: me, here
Hoops,
A Rolling Stone article from late '80, early '81 states that TWM was indeed the replacement for the erased track.
Date: Fri, April 27, 2007, 04:48:12 ET
Posted by: dohhh, UK
Hi,
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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to: ''' persuade
'' Steely Dan to add an extra date at the sage gateshead to
there 2007 UK tour.'
I would like steely dan to play at the sage gateshead on wed
4th july 2007.
Is this wrong ?
-- the ePetitions team
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 18:05:21 ET
Posted by: WTF, HS
Ed....Do you always write in code?
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:54:12 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, woh
Just for the record
I was at Roseland 03 bof nights
and Soboba 06 and San Diego 06
Bof 06 shows were specactular
ROSELAND 03 was HFS
ED B
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:52:46 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @the world is my oyster
Just for the record
I was at Roseland 03 bof nights
and Soboba 06 and San Diego 06
Bof 03 shows were specactular
ROSELAND 03 was HFS
ED B
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:37:05 ET
Posted by: hoops,
I'll weigh in (again--since I've offered this explanation several times in the past).
First of all, yeah, I'sure there are a few details about the loss of the "Second Arrangement" that Donald and/or Walter have never explained. However, I'm sure the tape erasure is pretty much the story. Not Fagen- or Becker-like? Who's to say (except them)? Given all that was going wrong for our Heroes during the making of "Gaucho," I could understand something along the lines that the album was too far along or a deadline too close for them to want to or have the dynamics to go back. And so with some of the components that became "Third World Man" around, it wouldn't surprise me if they opted for that instead of recreating "Second Arrangement."
While I don't have time to elaborate as I have in the past, I do think parts and elements of "The Second Arrangement" surfaced in other subsequent songs. In my book, "Second Arrangement" was released--but it evolved into other songs before being finally released.
Also, with World Party opening for SD in Australia, I would wager that all of these shows -- N.A. Europe, Japan and down under--will be just a single SD set along the lines of Chumash, etc.
That's my two piasters...and then some.
Jim
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:23:17 ET
Posted by: lee, nyc
C'mon - "Truly, are such an elitist ponce that you believe only a handful of people in your clique were at both your precious Steely Dan show?"
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying!
Either way, only a "handful" of people post here in general. How many of them saw both shows? Two?
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:15:41 ET
Posted by: C'mon Mr. Lee,
Truly, are such an elitist ponce that you believe only a handful of people in your clique were at both your precious Steely Dan show?
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:13:35 ET
Posted by: Wicked Librarian, Drinking Kirchwassar from a Shell (sp?)
I'd go to Japan in a hot second to see the Two if I had the time & money. I have loved the smaller venues as they are more intimate and believe it or else, the Japanese DO party and drink among other things. Plus, I've always wanted to visit Japan.
Domo arigato gozaimas.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:05:16 ET
Posted by: thedawnkid, -
As far as I'm concerned the "truth" is that it got erased and they could not record another version they were happy with. Doesn't sound very Fagenesque to me... There must be something else to the story.
Come on - if this was the song they were very happy with and proud of, of course they would have taken the time to get it right.
Crap, the whole second arrangement deal doesn't make sense to me. If I get a chance to interview Dr Don this summer in Stockholm (which I will probably get) I will ask him about that, among other mysteries.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 17:00:00 ET
Posted by: Dynamo,
"And if the story about it getting erased it true, I don't believe there ever existed a "junior engineer" who did it. "
So what happened then?
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 16:44:16 ET
Posted by: lee, nyc
To Hemet With Love - Please. There's about three or four people that post on this guest book that went to both Roseland 2003 and Soboba 2006. I doubt that you are one of them. If so, we all must know you, right? Because if you were really at both, the qustion on "which was the better show" wouldn't be an issue.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 16:42:38 ET
Posted by: me, here
I listen to 2nd Arrangement and think...now here's a song I can imagine a lot of people taking to who otherwise never caught on to the Dan. It would have hooked more new fans than anything else on Gaucho. And if the story about it getting erased it true, I don't believe there ever existed a "junior engineer" who did it.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:34:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That guy with the "you're right" handle ain't me. I agree with him, but he ain't me.
La forza dell destino.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:28:01 ET
Posted by: Chris, east of Hollywood
Rajah, I have to agree, I really think they should bring back WOH. It's such a fantastic songs, and if the crappy audience recording I have is any indication it rages live. Sadly by the time they got to Boston in 2000 they had axed it in the setlist.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:13:06 ET
Posted by: Sorry, 03
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:12:48 ET
Posted by: SOBOBA BLONDE, HOOTERIE
And all the jiveasses and the true believers
The bullshit givers and receivers
Here today tomorrow gone
To the triage tent in the great beyond
Wherein the angel tangoes with the infidel
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:12:37 ET
Posted by: SOBOBA BLONDE, HOOTERIE
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 15:11:05 ET
Posted by: Things I Miss The Most, - Your Memory
{That was a great show. When Donald sang "Things I miss the most" that was a highlight for me.}
It would be impossible for Donald to sing "Things I miss the most" in 2000. Anywhere.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:55:30 ET
Posted by: soboba blonde, highwayticket to ?
Rajah,
I was there at Universal in 2000.
I agree
SB
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:53:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah, your right
That was a great show. When Donald sang "Things I miss the most" that was a highlight for me. Of course the whole show was great.Now I am dropping a bundle to see them in NYC for 3 shows.But no matter what what the setlist to me it will be well worth it.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:52:11 ET
Posted by: To Hemet With Love,
That 2000 two-fer at Universal (Now Gibson) was a blast. I recall Walter announcing The Laker Playoff score from the stage. I've always have had a good time at Roseland, 1995 and 2003. But I'd say that Soboba was much more memorable hands-down. A total surprise.
Blew me away. People have a "good time" at Steely Dan shows, but I've never seen a crowd have such a blast at a Dan show. And they were from all walks of life, people who might not ever get the chance to "Go to New York City", people with their kids, cowboys, bikers, construction workers and HOT WOMEN. You can count the hotties on one hand at a Roseland show. Soboba will never be duplicated. Someone said that the show was "earned". I'd say that was a good assessment.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:31:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
One of the best Steely Dan shows of all time was in June of 2000 at Universal here in LA. Boston Rag opened the show and Walter looked so proud, he was glowing. No, it wasn't me, I arrived directly from the office. This was the show where they played West of Hollywood to close the first set. What a classic. So many songs they don't do live that they reallt should rethink. IMHO ;)
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:09:34 ET
Posted by: No recount, needed
Roseland Saturday by a landslide.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 14:07:45 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Kids. Been away from home, internet access, and therefore, The Blue, for the last week so I'm just catching up...
What was Andy Metzger's site?
If I had to pick between Japan and Australia the Aussies would win hands down for me. If my bank account was as big as my dreams I'd be there faster than you can say "Where's the bar in this place?!"
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 13:57:34 ET
Posted by: thedawnkid, -
I haven't been posting here for a while. Just some general thoughts I would like to share:
1. Everything must go must be the most underrated Dan album ever. The songwriting is incredibly inspired, Walter's solos are way better than ever before (compare them to the really lousy solos on Two against nature), and you just get the feeling that the boys are having a great time playing (again, I believe Two against nature is lacking in this department). The only song on the Everything must go album that is not superb is Slang of ages, and even that one is not that bad. In my opinion the only albums in the whole Steely Dan/Fagen catalogue that puts Everything must go to shame in comparison are Aja and The nightfly.
2. The thing about The second arrangement not making it to the Gaucho album has to be the biggest tragedy in the history of the Dan (I guess no one apart from Fagen and Becker know the whole story about how the song was erased, how they could not re-record it and so on). I actually have a hard time listening to the Gaucho album knowing that the potentially best Dan tune ever accidentally did not make the album.
3. I have a very hard time listening to Morph the cat. I wonder if that is only because it's the newest album, and that it needs some time to mature in my mind or whatever. I play some of the tunes on the piano every now and then and The great pagoda of funn is a classic, but most of the songs seem to lack something; I just don't wake up in the middle of the night with a strong urge to put on the album, which I sometimes do with pretty much any other Dan/Fagen album.
Just some random thoughts. Over and out.
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 13:10:10 ET
Posted by: David, Spain
Hey British people, what about the London danfest?
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 09:47:04 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Woodman: my husband and I are already to go. We have our "S" room (Steely Dan, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Ottawa Sens) The shrine has produced a solo Fagen tour, the 2006 and 2007 tour and the 2006 Superbowl champs. All it needs now is a Stanley cup Champ!
I have photos of the shrine, e-mail me if your interested in having a look. It's one very cool room.
3 weeks and 4 days until our first show, whoohoo. Anybody else doing the Beacon show on the 21st? E-mail me if your interested in meeting.
Fife(wearing red) Go Sens Go
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 08:53:53 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Sens Valley
Fife,
I am with you brother.
It must be a sign.
Rev Up the Red!
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 06:28:26 ET
Posted by: Alan and Jeri, Shellharbour AU
Bullgoose
Absolutely on the Sydney ticket! Look for an email giving you the specifics as they are known right now - but I also want to hear that you and Bullgoose Jr will be attending the Hunter Valley show too!
Date: Thurs, April 26, 2007, 03:29:22 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Well hey, Alan and Jeri
I'm invoking the Dan Clause in my employment contract which runs along the lines of: 'tools are to be downed in the event of any corporal manifestation of the Dan concept in The Great South Land; citizens are to make their way, pronto, to a place of amusement and await a damn Good Thing.'
I'm up for that Sydney ticket if the offer still stands.
gracias
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 22:12:32 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Steely Dan 4.0
Joe Murtha - Awesome! This will keep me amused for hours. Thanks so much for all your hard work.
Mark in Boston
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 21:28:38 ET
Posted by: Great, folks
Any chance you can debate the merits of Soboba versus Roseland for the rest of the upcoming tour ? And all in the voice of five year olds ?
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 20:38:32 ET
Posted by: Hindu,
No regrets there either. I had babysitting issues back on the left coast. One does what one can.
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 20:08:57 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Weird coincidence(I realize though most of you won't give a rats ass about this)
I get Yahoo News alerts and this morning there is one in my mailbox for Steely Dan. No biggy right, but in the usual repeats of announcing concerts lo and behold is this: Stanley Cup Finals Preview - New Jersey vs. Ottawa! Well anyone who knows me knows I'm an avid Ottawa Senators fan. Is it a sign???
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 19:41:00 ET
Posted by: Hindu, Kush
soboba blonde - I'll tell you where Angel really screwed up. She went to the Friday night Roseland show but split back to California and missed the Saturday night show. That was the show that blew away every other SD show! (including Soboba). That's what she should be regretting. So close, but yet so far.
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 19:21:15 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj
Hi all! Can anyone say for SURE that the 5th Beacon show is definately the last US date? Just curious
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 18:50:39 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hotter then hell -- cool breezes...
Nope, no regrets!
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 18:30:29 ET
Posted by: soboba blonde, onstage
Angel Darling
You should regret missing soboba
it was a blast
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 14:48:28 ET
Posted by: angel,
I KNEW San Diego was going to be a must see show...and I was right.
I KNEW to skip Soboba and I have never regreted it...well minus that I would have heard Dr. Wu on a sound check... :-)
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 13:51:10 ET
Posted by: JoeM,
Hello all,
Just a quickie heads up on some new stuff...
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Hey Now!
New from those fusty founders of that virtual clinic on the hill over at banyantrees.net...
What with the commencing of the "Heavy Rollers Tour 2007" just around the corner and all - we thought it appropriate to dust off the old "Complete Digital Steely Dan" and bump it to an aptly bodacious Rev. 4.0.
This latest release includes material related to the Dan's Summer 2006 Tour, Fagen's 2006 release "Morph The Cat" and his subsequent tour in support of it. It features new sound clips, tour related articles, pictures, CD promotional material and much more!
So, download it now! It's FREE for crissakes! Even Kathy Berbarian knows, this is one killer App no serious Dan fan should be without.
http://www.banyantrees.net/software.html
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Can't believe we're only a couple weeks away from another Dan tour... Hope to see everyone at the Beacon, NYC and CT shows. Should be a barn-burner of a tour this year.
Joe
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 12:17:12 ET
Posted by: Please...., ...
So pathetic.
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 08:18:59 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
LWO, in the words made famous by the "Cops" TV show:
"I didn't do nuthin', man!"
Date: Wed, April 25, 2007, 00:45:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Soboba was awesome.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 23:25:29 ET
Posted by: SS, Hong Kong
I'm situated between Japan and Australia and have weighed the which-shows-to-go-to question.
I saw SD in Japan in 2000 (Osaka). Fabulous venue and great all around experience. Anyone who has been to Japan knows the adventure/weirdness factor is high in a good way. There's nowhere else like it for lots of reasons I won't go into here.
If SD does two sets at these club venues, there's not much to argue about music-wise...it will be better than anything else on offer this tour. Even at one set, those small rooms will likely mean great sound and a very different and intimate SD experience. I hope someone will soon verify whether it's an opener and one SD set, or whether SD does two sets. And who knows, it might be two shows per night but separate tickets for each and the same set list ?????
Australia is an easier read, obviously, because the opening act has been announced. I'm going there for a couple of reasons. The first is that Scotty and Alan and Geri have commited to pretty much the whole thing and will be a lot of fun to travel around and see the shows with. And I'm hoping the Australian crowds in general will be stoked at getting the chance to see SD and create a sizzling atmosphere. Two of the shows are Saturdays in wineries.
And beyond that, it's another chance to go to Australia. Like Japan, it's strange in a good way and unlike anywhere else. But unlike Japan you get to communicate easily with the local people and get deeper into things. The twist is that you're IN a western culture without being in the western world. The natural beauty is stunning and....well, you know, read the guidebooks. I'll do one show in New Zealand as well. I watched about 300 slides of NZ last night and it looks first rate.
All of that said...I'm still angling a way to get to Japan as well maybe for a night or two in Fukuoka, so I'm leaving my e-mail address today if anyone is serious. You might not hear it as often, but Japan too has an awesome natural environment. Bullet trains and ferries make for interesting travelling through it.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 23:18:04 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the poor house
Roseland and Soboba....a tale of two cites? Hardly.
Both shows were superb in their own right. Nothing (no, not even Maui) can match that NYC rhythm!
Roseland Saturday. Hands down.
Oh and btw...Denise is an EVIL woman, evil woman.....
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 22:51:12 ET
Posted by: lee, nyc
Lurker Ray- "Roseland shows with all the "faithful" are gimmees"
Sorry to tell you left coast people that I was at both the Saboba show and the Saturday night show at Roseland. Don't get me wrong, Saboba was fantastic! Roseland (Saturday night) was much better. No comparison.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 22:16:10 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Of course SOBOBA was the greatest
show ever! Like I said before,
Roseland shows with all the "faithful"
are gimmees. SOBOBA was EARNED.
Oh Jesus - " I know for a FACT that
Chumash and Friant only wanted 90 minutes."
Duh. They were DRY casinos. THEY WANT
you back out on gambling floor. Who's
to say that some of these Casino shows
with liquor licenses and sans Sam Yokel
won't go longer this May. I also think
they could. We'll just have to wait and
see for the "I Told You So's".
Japan - They are basically THE BAR BAND for
5 to 6 night stands. In a small supper club
setting. I'd have to agree with Milo. It
would get very old, very fast to just do one
set in that setting. I don't know where the
dude is getting his info, but then again he
has been SPOT ON with some major info lately.
So sorry Jesus, I'm going with Milo on this
one. Again, we'll just have to wait and see.
The weather here in LA has been phenomenal.
And tomorrow is supposed to be just spectacular.
I'm really excited for the show I'm going to
see out here tomorrow night - Herb Alpert with
his wife Lani Hall from Brazil 66. It should
be killer. I'm still "up in the air about" about
Jazz Fest. Maybe, maybe not. I got the free
miles, but hell, Japan would be cheaper than
Australia! And I'm leaning that way. And I got
my renewed passport today.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 20:16:39 ET
Posted by: We KNEW, Inland Empire
AND we deduced it using the following pieces of info:
a. Rajah's knowledge of Casinos, how they operate & having no curfew
b. Start time @9 PM
c. Most importantly-NO MC MIKE!
TWO SETS, 23 songs
How could it have been otherwise?
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 19:47:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Soboba was a damn good show...
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 18:52:33 ET
Posted by: Lee, nyc
Don't even bother with Milo. After all, he thinks that Soboba was the greatest SD show ever.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 18:46:22 ET
Posted by: Oh Milo, Oh Jesus
Milo, I could care less what a couple fans here SPECULATED about Soboba and Dan Diego. I know for a FACT that Chumash and Friant only wanted 90 minutes.
Why can't you just post the link that shows they are COONTRACTED to play 2 sets in Japan.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 17:52:10 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Oh Jesus. PLEASE READ. PLEASE DO A LITTLE RESEARCH. For example scroll through LAST YEARS posts before the SOBOBA and San Diego shows. Maybe check out the Billboard Live website a little deeper in a translated fashion or maybe some press releases. Take some initiative. Jesus.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 17:42:36 ET
Posted by: Oh Milo, Oh Jesus
"Yeah they said the SAME thing last year for Soboba and San Diego. And they turned out to be the TWO MUST SEE SHOWS last year. "
No, the same thing was said for Chumash and Friant.... and, guess what, they only played one set.
"Wrong again. They have been CONTRACTED to play multiple sets EACH night in Japan. I'll say it again, Japan and possibly a US Casino dates will be among THE SHOWS TO SEE this year."
How would you know what they have been CONTRACTED to do? Would you care to explain?
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 17:31:17 ET
Posted by: fukuoka,
Fukuoka is a great city, and very geared toward foreign visitors. There are many many signs in English. Rail and bus systems are extremely easy to navigate. Nightlife is booming, coffee is great (and outrageously expensive).
Osaka is also a great city, with the best food (try the okonomiyaki) and an amazing aquarium. Trains and buses easy to navigate. Osaka is very close to Kyoto, where you can visit all manner of Japanese gardens - worth it even if Steely Dan weren't playing.
Tokyo is Tokyo. Same as journeying to another planet. Intense, and probably closest vibe to a Steely Dan storyline.
No downside to Japan. You don't need to know Japanese, and knowing a little won't help much! Eat in places where you can order by pointing at wax replicas or pictures in a menu. Beer is biru. You can buy it from machines on the street. You can also buy sake, vodka, whisky, business socks, sexy underwear and clitoral vibrators from machines on the street.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 17:00:28 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
-->Sam Yahel is opening every show in the US except the casino shows and the festivals. Why? Because the casinos and festivals only need an hour and a half.<--
Yeah they said the SAME thing last year for Soboba and San Diego. And they turned out to be the TWO MUST SEE SHOWS last year.
-->I would pretty much bet that you are not going to get more than an hour and a half at a 300 seat venue in Tokyo for $160.<--
Wrong again. They have been CONTRACTED to play multiple sets EACH night in Japan. I'll say it again, Japan and possibly a US Casino dates will be among THE SHOWS TO SEE this year.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 16:23:10 ET
Posted by: Not so fast,
First of all, I think the set will be an hour and a half for every show regardless of where they play. If you notice, Sam Yahel is opening every show in the US except the casino shows and the festivals. Why? Because the casinos and festivals only need an hour and a half. The regular venues expect a longer performance, that's where Sam comes in. In Europe, again most of the shows are festivals, and the few regular venues probably only need an hour and a half.
I would pretty much bet that you are not going to get more than an hour and a half at a 300 seat venue in Tokyo for $160. And in Australia, they have an opener. I will be shocked if the setlist changes at all from the US to Europe to Japan to Australia, and they will play an hour and a half regardless.
By the way, I'd have to choose Australia just because it's Australia!
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 16:14:39 ET
Posted by: broadway duchess, survey says
Konnichiwa, (Hello)
For the "survey", my choice this year would be seeing 6 shows in Japan, splitting them between 2 different cities. Definitely want to see some in Osaka, and either a couple more in Tokyo, OR in Fukuoka. Booked a free airline award flight already for a 2-week journey to the land of the rising sun!
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 15:28:20 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Easy. Tokyo. Australia & New Zealand will have half of the show taken up by an opening act. And though I love World Party, hands down Japan is a easy choice. Not even close. 5 nights in a row in a LITTLE CLUB! Also I don't think World Party is even playing with a full band, just Karl and another player from what I hear. World Party unplugged.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 14:53:33 ET
Posted by: Bluebook Survey, USA
Speaking of the shows in Japan. I would like to take a survey here on the Bluebook.
Traveling from the states: If you had the money and the time off and you could only do one or other, which would you do?
See Steely Dan six nights in a row at a 300 seat venue in Tokyo or...
See five SD shows in Australia and one in New Zealand?
Which would it be for you?
I wish I had this choice.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 14:44:49 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Tickets for all of the Japan shows are REMARKABLY reasonable.
$193-$160 US Dollars. These clubs are so small. I really feel these shows will be among THE SHOWS this year.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 12:04:09 ET
Posted by: broadway duchess, planning itinerary
The on-sale dates for the SD shows in Japan have been announced at www.steelydan.com
June 15 Tokyo (shows August 18-24)
June 19 Osaka (shows August 26-Sept. 1)
June 20 *Fukuoka (shows Sept. 3-5)
*English speaking fans may find pronunciation a challenge here: I believe it's "Foo-koo-oh-kah".
We have 4 months to learn (or brush up) on our Japanese.
Sayonara !
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 10:28:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Case of Sorrow
Bummer about Andy's site
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 04:58:32 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Hey Alan&Jeri/SS
You characters are applying enough pressure to make Torqemada look like Bambi on Serepax. A body is sorely tempted to link arms with you chums in Dan at the Sydney
gig, especially after your kind offer. Please stand by awhile as I agitate at the highest level with the likes of my employer, Life Coach, Social Secretary and Wardrobe Manager.
Date: Tues, April 24, 2007, 01:13:31 ET
Posted by: Scouser, tonyland
PLUG..PLUG..PLUG........................................
THE DOCTOR WU BAND...........Friday May 4th 8.30 till midnight. 3 sets .At the Malibu Inn.22969 PCH. 1310 456 6060. www.malibu-inn.com
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 23:42:45 ET
Posted by: Abdul Rahim Abdullah, Camden
yeah man, i think it was a coupla lit up brothas stole dat chord.
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 23:32:08 ET
Posted by: Jamaal Raouf, Camden
Y'all sho' it wuzzint Camden? Ah thinks ah heard sumpin' bout some brothas boostin' some kinda chord?
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 23:00:16 ET
Posted by: St. Jude, lost causes
Dear Saint Anthony, you are the patron of the poor and the helper of all who seek lost articles. Help me to find the lost mu chord of Steely Dan. We're thinking something augmented and suspended.
Grant your gracious aid to all people who seek what they have lost - especially those who seek to regain grace. Amen.
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 22:10:43 ET
Posted by: Moody Blue, In Search of the Lost Chord
Prayin' to St. Antny...
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 22:00:57 ET
Posted by: Nuwerker, Sabu's jutejoint
Drainstrainer [sic] et al.: Any thoughts on the location of that rare chord never before played nor heard by humans? (hehe)
Hint: SD played after MM band; light rain and cool night showed MM's breath frosty and things were steaming. Chronic up front w/ a few fans escorted to their seats.
Hint two: Not Camden. Not AC, though same skirmishes and stuff: this venue event happened later on w/ fans having a large time witnessing magnificent history in the making.
Come On
Nwk
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 19:36:05 ET
Posted by: Wicked Librarian,
Hi, Girl Margaret, I'll be at NOLA for Jazz Fest. I know nothing about any Dan Fest-ivities. I just got back from a 2 week vacation in Hawaii.
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 18:34:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Silk Degrees and Royal Scam have very little in common save for the fact that they were both beautifully done.
Andy's site is gone...oh no, all those great sound clips...sheeeet!
Wonder if the they got to him...
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 18:16:34 ET
Posted by: s-fan, nj
I just got the latest re-issue of Boz Scaggs Silk Degrees CD. The liner notes call it a "warmer, more soulful companion piece to Steely Dan's The Royal Scam, which came out two months earlier." Aside from using a lot of SD session musicians, I never made a connection between the two.
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 18:12:12 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Hey, what happened to Andy Metzger's site????
http://www.steelydanarchive.com/
I've been using it the last week or two (and even earlier today) as a research tool on some of the old pre-dan demos. If I'd known it was going belly up I might have tried to save some of the info for future reference.
If it's imminent demise was mentioned in any recent Digests I either overlooked it or forgot. Sigh.
Can anyone shed any light as to reasons why or anything? Am curious, if nothing else. Thanks.
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 05:46:22 ET
Posted by: Alan and Jeri, Shellharbour AU
Bullgoose -
You have to make it to more shows than just Brisbane. We have to get all the AU (and assorted others) contingent together at least once.
We will have a couple of extra seats for the Sydney show that can go at cost-not sure of the location yet, but guaranteed to be the 'gold' sections. We are going to start scoping for a prime Danfest location sometime soon, and hopefully can get a good pre-show party going.
And the Hunter Valley seems like a show not to be missed. Not sure of the ticketing situation there, but even a GA seat on the grass at that venue seems like it would be a winner. And we can start with a parking lot tailgate Danfest there, and continue it on the lawn when the gates open.
Doesn't that all sound irresistible? Come on, you know you want to! The chance of a lifetime!
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 05:11:16 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Goose, thanks to my fabulous hosts I'm nearly flush in your backyard for the 'DAN UNDER tour. Go figure.
Perth, Adelaide, Sydney, Hunter Valley, Canberra and even Auckland, but due to scheduling/travelling....NOT Brisbane.
There's just something wrong about making it all the way there and not meeting another Bluebooker, so I'm counting on you to do whatever it takes to extend your range. Nothing so serious as castration...but that winery gig at the Hunter Valley looks like going out of your way for, no ?
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 04:22:58 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, dan destination australia
Hey SS
It is true that I have stowed all my steely tour eggs in the one basket: Brisbane, having used up my last favour (don't ask, don't tell) to secure early tickets 'up the front'.
It is also true that once is not enough. Son of Bullgoose will be flying the family flag at the Sydney show, and I have half a damn mind to join him there. More than that, at this point, I cannot say.
What about you?
Date: Mon, April 23, 2007, 03:51:54 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Hey Bullgoose, are you a one-show only guy for the Australia/NZ leg of the tour ? Just Brisbane ?
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 21:33:17 ET
Posted by: prez logic, still in the karaoke lounge
Denise,
I missed your singing at Chumash only by a few minutes...my understanding is I missed a lot more than that post show too. As of now I'm going to the Friday show in Philly, possibly Vienna, Va., and considering Boston, but not sure how to swing all. Any divorce attorneys out there? Just kidding...
LWO...anything cooking in Philly with regards to a danfest?
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 21:12:01 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Blues Beach
Calling Worm Tom...Ole...anyone else headed for NOLA.
Danfest?
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 21:11:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Prez, there will be a fest in Boston on the 30th, not sure where yet. Mark & Bill are checking out sites. I heard that Hoops may be coming out but not sure. And you couldn't possibly sing worse than I! Just ask Bobbo and LWO. I really butchered Slang of Ages and Deacon Blue at the Chumash after-party. That may have been the last straw for the neighbors that called security...
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 21:01:50 ET
Posted by: prez logic, karaoke lounge
Thanks Denise...when & where is the next danfest? I've heard rumors about Danny's too in your neck of the woods...BTW, you don't want me to sing, trust me...
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 18:20:35 ET
Posted by: Fife, Balmy Baltimore, eh
Talking about fan base. My niece persuaded me to join Facebook.com, much easier to navigate then my space, and there are quite a few Dan groups set up there. 49 groups that are Steely related. Most of the gang that are on that web site are high school and college age. I just thought you might like to know.
Hoops-when are you going to get the Danfest page running? Just curious.
Fife
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 18:19:45 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Good stuff Denise - Steely Dan is the best drum lesson you can get
Cheers
Richard
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 17:51:54 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
An investigation of the Dan-fanbase could be linked with the new paradigm in the music business. Hype is out and not all attention is good anymore. What matters is a hardcore fanbase, which you only get by making quality music. No better example than Steely Dan.
Boston Rag, Actually somewhat surprising that Fountains aren't bigger. Cant think of other bands who writes so catchy and also beautiful songs with such a lyrical wit. Oh wait maybe one. And of course they dig the Dan:
"For a band that started out in 1995 as a scrappy “alternative” group, are they sounding kind of Steely Dan—two college pals writing literate story-songs to be played by New York’s best? “Hey, we like Steely Dan,” Schlesinger notes enthusiastically. “We just try to do what each song calls for, musically. We have no particular rules. But, sure, we really love harmonies and we’re going to use them.""
complete interview:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/features/article/32852/fountains-of-wayne-too-smart-to-be-a-rock-band-too-smart-to-be-anything-els/
Bobbo, Thanks for the kind words, but I wont take credit from Bob Lefletz who's the real author of the post. Here's some more from Bob:
DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE
"I'm a bookkeeper's son
I don't want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive"
I drove cross-country with six cassettes purchased at Odyssey Music in Salt Lake City. Oh, I had thirty one other tapes, but they'd been played to death. I needed new music. To take me from the City of Salt to Connecticut.
After a morning spent in a Denver BMW dealer getting the universal joint replaced on my overloaded 2002, I headed towards Kansas City.
Kansas is not quite as flat as they say. But in a 1974 automobile with no cruise control, it was an endurance test nonetheless. And, after the sun declined, it was just me and the white lines heading towards the metropolis.
And when you've got a long drive, you get into the groove of an album. You play it again and again, not only trying to kill time, but getting deeper into the music. Deeper into "The Royal Scam". The cassette I was playing at the time.
I didn't love it as much as "Katy Lied", which had enraptured me the year before, but I was getting into that song that talked about turning up the Eagles because the neighbors were listening. Then, suddenly, a song emerged. The one containing the above lyrics, "Don't Take Me Alive". I remember pulling into one of those gas stations out of an Edward Hopper painting as "Don't Take Me Alive" was pouring out of the stereo. I stumbled out of the car, brought my credit card inside, as we used to have to do, gassed up, got back into my automobile and rewound the tape and played the song again from the top. And then again. WHOSE son was he again?
I had to wait years. You see the cassette didn't come with lyrics.
I went on to buy "Aja". And "Gaucho". But I have a special place in my heart for "The Royal Scam", because of the trip we shared.
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 16:32:59 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Richard, thanks for the mini drum lesson. I am listening to the songs you mentioned in your e-mail and have made playlists by drummer. I think I hear some of what you were saying. I have never really listened to them before concentrating on the drumming: it is a different perspective. I just got through the Gadd songs and partcularly like his work on Aja. I definetly hear the Purdie shuffle. Carlock is lined up next.
Bobbo, a fan book would be a hoot. I'd read that! I imagine you might have your own chapter? Ha!
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 16:25:11 ET
Posted by: Truth check,
I called the Hall and they were simply speculating that the tickets might have been held for "The Fan Club", they also mentioned that the tix may have been held back for promotions and band member family and friends. Frankly, they were downright befuddled.
It is a rather large hold back making up the entire center of the first 12 rows which is approx 200-300 tix!! And that's for a show that sold out within hours. So, not much promotion needed.
The second show added a week or so later did not have any seats held back or an inconsequential number of seats held back.
The Hall has now been informed that there is no Fan Club (actually, it was a presumptive compliment on their part) and I doubt that they will continue to say that to anyone who calls about the tickets.
The staff have been under enormous pressure since day one from high level members and donors pressing them to explain why people who contribute anywhere from $250 to over $1200 per year for access to tickets were not ever given the chance to get what are the best tickets in the house. That includes tickets that the band itself is selling under the term "VIP" tickets.
I guess we'll see who the real VIPs are. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
PS Reality Check - why do you come off as being so high minded and condescending. In your post you come off like you are involved with the band, and that makes your arrogant tone even more offensive to the very people who help pay the bills and keep the dimming Steely Dan flame alive. Hopefully, for everyone's sake you are not in any way involved with Steely Dan and just another internet yahoo. newbies re refreshing, you are repulsive.
PPS You are utterly wrong that the first 12 rows center have not held back. THOSE TIX TO THIS VERY DAY HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND REMAIN UNSOLD. It is plainly verifiable by anyone.
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 12:15:22 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Hey NoCA Bay Area -
It was just announced that Rickie Lee Jones is part of the lineup for the The Harmony Festival (formerly Health & Harmony) in Santa Rosa this summer. I checked the website (www.harmonyfestival.com) but specific times are not scheduled yet. The dates are June 8,9,10 at the Sonoma County Fairgrounds.
This is a great timetrip festival back to the 60's. Break out the bongs and tie dye.
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 11:11:06 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Agent At Large
Hey Fellas,
I think Kuleebaba's got a VERY interesting idea...y'know, Hoops, there have been a few very well-done expose's on the "Fan Culture" surrounding Star Trek, and (of course) the Greatful Dead, and others. I don't know, but it might hit a big nerve if you did something about what the "Steely Dan Culture" has been up to, since the mid-90's...
Of course, that all-important last-chapter entry, "What We're Doing Now," couldn't be completed until some or many of us report back about our experiences abroad this Summer...and, ol' buddy, you'd better know I'm very unlikely to make more than one more show this year (and it'll be New Orleans or Orlando or Boston, I've decided). But you'd be far, far amiss if you didn't include some of the immense talent of the few Danners I've had the privilege of being around...of course Rajah's a natural, and hat2flat; LWO has many things to say about the practicality and logistics of organizing a "big one", or big Danfest, along with Gretchen and Denise...now that I think about it, GMargaret is a SOLID AUTHORITY on the impact of this music in the Modern Age. And you'd have to include some insight into the words/thoughts of the "dissenters" (and you know who they are, Jim--I won't dare to mention names, lest they "pop up"...right?) among us.
And I'd call the whole God-danged mess BLUEBOOK: or, how I found the Steely Dan People. Something of that ilk...
There's an article in the current issue of Rolling Stone, about how some of the other bands' fan clubs have ripped off their faithful followers to the tune of at least 2 million, in the case of the Police alone, and it's got me thinking what a savvy, well-met bunch we are. Salute as always to our Holy Father, ol' Hoops himself, from my heart, bro. Thanks for all that you do.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, April 22, 2007, 07:45:50 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Prez Logic: nice swag entry! Maybe you can sing it for us at the next danfest?
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 23:08:06 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Actually Hoops, some of your writing is needed at amazon.com where they're still waiting for the first review of the Glengarry Glen Ross soundtrack. And you're right, it's dirt cheap...offered for less than $1.00
http://www.amazon.com/Glengarry-Glen-Ross-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B000008G1E
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 21:11:05 ET
Posted by: further out here,
Corona beer is a sponsor of the SD ticket giveaway....
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 19:53:08 ET
Posted by: somewhere out here,
And trust me, there are some stories!
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 18:13:45 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, hoops for president!
Hey Hoops,
You could always write about... the SD community! Metal Leg, the beginnings of Dandom, some UIUC jokes, etc. Generally, what it's like to have organized this ragtag bunch.
There's a lot of history there, a lot of funny stories. As background, of course a chapter or two on SD, and WB, and DF is in order!
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 18:08:44 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
LADIES AND GERMANMEN -
Let's hear it for Hoops - for his caring, sharing, fairing, bearing and daring ways!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 13:41:17 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Getting caught up here a bit.
Bobbo and TJ: Thanks for the vote of confidence in wrtiting a book (my knack for leaving out words and all). Having not experienced Walter and Donald's lives first hand, I'd feel awkward even attempting. But writing something Steely Dan inspired does stike my fancy, as long as what I wrote could be very, very funny!
Gretch, Raj, etc.: You know the story. When people who don't even leave their email address start asking questions that are none of their business, just don't reply.
Milo: your email doesn't work. Thanks for the offer. Thanks also to Scotty, Alan, others.
Jim
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 13:27:40 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
SS -
I like Don's voice and the verses (A sections)in/of that song.
However, the chorus sounds very hackneyed - totally unDannish.
I always thought the lyrics were sung from an adolescent point of view (the intentional grammatical errors - "made me (or is it maybe?) how to sing" and "my old man he been around the world"). They're kind of funny and dopey for zee Dan, though.
BC
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 10:54:14 ET
Posted by: they've got the Jack,
Re: I should say that probably some sponsor for the Jack FM is holding that Steely Dan contest, not the Jack itself since it was a commercial that I did not catch all the details. They used FM and Kid C. and something else for the background. The station was weak and I heard FM as I was manually scanning, which caused me to stop on that station.
Anyway, bully for Steely Dan's publicity department!
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 10:31:20 ET
Posted by: they've got the Jack,
The Steely publicity machine has awakened. About time! The commercial format Jack FM is holding a contest for which the prize is tickets for Steely Dan May 12th @Hard Rock. So that is where SOME of those 12 rows of tickets are going.
Many listeners who heard the promo probably think who is that guy-what Dan? Promoting Steely Dan to today's audience is like promoting Benny Goodman or Tommy Dorsey to boomers back in the 70's. But ya gotta admit (sic) that is a strong sign that they are pulling out the stops to push this tour.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 10:29:51 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
'SS: The only "signature chord" (not even a Dan MU major, not a sharp nine or a sharp 11th chord to be found in the entire song!) is a major 7th chord.'
Context Brutus.....
Many of the early songs had nothing more exotic than major or minor 7ths including Kings, DIA, Dirty Work, Change of the Guard, Brooklyn, Razor Boy, Your Gold Teeth, My Old School...
But you're probably right if you're saying that I'm overstating it to call the first Dan-esque shift in Sail the Waterway a 'signature chord.' It's a major 7th....that falls on the 'thing' of 'everything' at the end of the second line. Could be the voicing that rings familiar with me.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 10:27:36 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, 66 degrees and rising
Bobbo - They're all good but I would rate the FOW albums in the following order:
1. Utopia Parkway
2. (self titled debut)
3. Welcome Interstate Managers
4. Traffic and Weather
5. Out of State Plates (b-sides and rarities)
What a great weekend! The Dan tour is right around the corner. The Blessed Yankees are in town. The weather is heading into the 70s. Life is good!
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 10:15:08 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, like...INSIDE the headphones, man...
Hey TJ,
You make Fountains of Wayne sound incredibly "good," according to that standard I think we're all mostly aware of. Your review has made me very curious...I'll have to check that band out, man. Thanks in advance, and I hope to agree with you on the score of overall lyrical quality and tune construction, bro.
God-DAMN, how often do I find a "new" artist that I can really get into, anymore? Your first instinctive answer is spot on, TJ: almost NEVER. Wish me luck...selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 09:35:55 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, australia
Hey Dawnkid
Pearl of the Quarter is a very sweet arrangement.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 09:35:09 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
RE: SS, HK
The Sail the Waterway that I have a copy of is a fully produced track with DF vocal and "some signature SD chords."
SS: The only "signature chord" (not even a Dan MU major, not a sharp nine or a sharp 11th chord to be found in the entire song!) is a major 7th chord.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 08:59:48 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Fountains of Dan
TJ - I've said many times on this board that Adam Schlesinger is the Great White Hope of pop music. He doesn't have the pedigree Donald has but man, can he write catchy tunes! Is there a better pop tune this year than "Michael and Heather at the Baggage Claim"? His other band, Ivy is also superb.
There are a few tunes on "Traffic and Weather" that mirror Dan/Don tunes. "This Better Be Good" = "Everything You Did". "Revolving Dora" = "Night Belongs To Mona". "Yolanda Hayes" = "Security Joan".
I'm going to see FoW tomorrow night at The Paradise (Damn! And Dice-K will be on the mound against the Yanks).
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 08:46:09 ET
Posted by: thedawnkid, -
Hey,
I just uploaded some piano covers I recorded of Steely Dan songs to YouTube for fun: "Aja", "Pearl of the quarter" and "Doctor Wu". Feel free to have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thedawnkid
Ciao.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 06:31:05 ET
Posted by: Nuwerker, on side
RE: having a cup of split with skim, I post-zinged thru my new beta antonym translator, being board [sic] w/ the yahoo(s), a rather boring post. Please note, differing cultural perspectives may fetter universal comprehension.
Date: Mon, Oct. 10, 4014: 8:03:50 ET +0800 UTC
Posted by: Idealism unacceptable, gone for a short void
Against all tenured in here, ignore the complex lies; they are not hurtful.
6. Here is one--an enemy heart
5. As not said in a future DS gossip number, you definitely forgot less than zero times, (and it wasn't off the last page) that without a moment's exclusion, here will not be YES after sales, nor will "not special" complimentary tickets be ignored without DS.org.
4. Comps are never released in opposition to demoters, solos nobelium, shoo ins--minus takeaways [hehe] (unlike against silence emitters and real-time, on-demand dysfunctionals and limited enemies). Non ambulatories get usual buys/ post buys. Never do frigid communists slow pokes post "earth for sale" to singles who hate the void, as many bland latecomers cut their arms off. (Private: subatomic particles drive away nobodies as lottery-legits stay dumb and ignorant. Always--as little as minus 12 rows are given in front, always that is well known.)
3. All of the comp tickets go for free at last moment, when losers in #4 has gotten off their tight wallets and send their $ to the artists. That's why I can not lose a good seat in back--never when you keep hunting. Never a deer spotted. Never the worse seats disappear at compslayed.com, before the blind bought in. That was out of lottery-legits rare answered answers. Few words under that resin secret hides--that that never happens. Never hunt compslayer.
2. Here is one--an enemy heart.
1. Who is grateful to die as an unknown spent rod.
hugs, nwk
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 05:42:30 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Don't know if any of you are subscribers to The Lefsetz Lettet. Bob is sort of the enfant terrible of the music business. He has some very interesting views, and is very fun to watch - like a car crash.
He's a Dan fan, and often mentions them. Anyway, here's a little part of todays letter where he reviews different songs:
"Strapped For Cash"
Fountains Of Wayne
"Well it was Saturday night, I was sitting in the kitchen
Checking out the women on Spanish television"
Did you ever find yourself lingering on Telemundo, or Univision? They're talking a mile a minute, you can't understand a word, but they're so PASSIONATE! It's intriguing. There's an excitement, a drama absent from American soaps. You want to jet inside the box and participate, see what's HAPPENING!
The women are so DIFFERENT! Didn't they get the MEMO? They're supposed to have tiny butts, and no thighs. And their hair shouldn't be all teased-up, and they should wear less makeup.
Oh, you don't watch for long, but while you do, you're intrigued.
"Got a call from Paul who was just let out of prison
He said hey listen, there's something I'm missing
I said I'm on it, honest, it's on its way
You're gonna get your money in a couple of days, okay?"
It's like a Steely Dan song, maybe "Don't Take Me Alive", but it's thirty years later, and there's an irreverence Fagen and Becker never possessed. It's the same Jewish irreverence, but being more highly educated, having gone to Williams, Adam Schlesinger and his cohort Chris Collingwood can slum it a bit more, they don't have to prove their erudition, their intelligence.
Then again, they are. Adam and Chris are not playing by the rules. There's no moon in June, the lyrics aren't vapid, they assume the listener THINKS!
But who catches the lyrics ANYWAY?
Well, you somehow can't help yourself with a Fountains Of Wayne song. They're living musicals. It's like the band is performing in your living room, telling its story. And you want to hear it.
So what happened after Paul called?
"So I headed out west to invest in the races
All the goddamn horses kept falling on their faces
Didn't fare much better at the Taj Mahal
Chalk it up to bad luck and free alcohol
And now I'm laying low, you know I'm trying to stall
But I don't know how much longer I can dodge the calls"
This is a MOVIE! The first act took place at the protagonist's home. He was just wasting time, watching TV, daydreaming. And a phone call changed his life.
He had to take action .
You can see him at the Taj Mahal. A hack would have said "casino", since potential customers in Timbuktu would not be familiar with the Atlantic City gambling emporium, but Fountains of Wayne is not making its music for EVERYBODY, but those on a similar wavelength, from a similar background. Context is everything.
And then comes the final act:
"Six bodybuilders pulled up in a Pinto
Next thing I know they're coming through the window
Hate to keep you waiting, I know times are hard
Now would you prefer a Visa or a MasterCard?"
It makes a difference it's a Pinto. It adds levity. And the schlemiel, just before he's gonna have the shit beaten out of him, offers up his credit card, not knowing this is a cash-only world. We all know people like this, who tell the cops they have all this cash in their pockets because they're meeting their connection to make a dope deal (a true story, I know someone who actually told the cops this).
Not everybody is partying with Paris and Lindsay, playing on a world stage. Most people can walk through life without obstruction, no one cares what they're doing. This general public needs more than the part anthem "Sexy Back". What if you're too anxious to go to the club? "Sexy Back" sounds like shit alone in your room. Where's the music that speaks to YOU?
Yeah, where IS this music? The stuff that makes you feel good even though you're not rich or beautiful?
And how do you get exposed to the music of this stripe that DOES exist?
You're not going to hear it on your iPod. That device only plays what you already know. No, you need someone to introduce you to new stuff.
I had a hard time digesting this new Fountains Of Wayne album. But Mike Marrone, on XM's Loft, extracted the one track that reached me. Hearing it in the parking lot at Ralphs, I was immediately hooked.
Date: Sat, April 21, 2007, 04:34:07 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo...sizzling in the merciful rays!
Nice one Steely Fan!
Reminds me of when I was going through Immigration control at the airport when I arrive in Washington last year. The young Immigration Officer asked me why I was visiting the US. "To see Steely Dan" was my prompt reply. "Oh" said the non-phased youngster, "Who's he?". At that point, I felt somewhat old!!!!
I've been following the stories by the Marquis and Boston Rag(?) about the 1973/4 shows with interest, as these are seldom talked about around here (OK, I know there are only a few old farts here, me being one of them!!!). Anyway, a bit of Dan Karma to relate here (scroll on if you don't want to be bored by another reminiscence...but this one has a twist!). As many of you know, I saw the boys in 1974 in Manchester, UK. Being from a backwater industrial town in N.W. England meant that there were very few people on the same wavelength as me. I was 23 at the time and most of my buddies were already married with kids. I didn't know anyone at all who liked SD, other than me. I convinced a single friend to go with me to see the boys. She had never been to a rock concert in her life, but being a Pisces, the vibes got to her brain and she immediately became a firm fan (the fact that she fancied Donald might have something to do with it too!!). Anyway, years have passed and I'm dragging her out of her middle-class suburban housewife stupor and meeting up with her again for a Dan show in the UK in early July. What an anniversary it will be! 33 years on!!............anyway, I digress, as that's not the story........................
Back in 1986, when I first came to this fair land in the Tropics, I heard that there was a family from my town also coming here. The husband was coming to be a lecturer here. His wife and I became good friends. She is a very sweet natured, kind lady and was of great help to me during my pregnancy and was with me when I went in to labour, making sure I got safely to hospital. 5 years later the family moved on to Australia, but we always kept in touch and visited each other occasionally. However, I received an email from her last year saying that her husband had passed away and that she was splitting her time between the UK and Australia. During our last email exchange, I mentioned that I was going back to the UK in early July to see Steely Dan. Imagine my surprise when she replied saying that her husband had loved Steely Dan, had all the CDs, etc and that she and him had been to see them in Manchester in 1974 and in 2000 in London. I'm now trying to persuade her to join up with me in the UK. Unfortunately, she's already booked her flight to go in August, which means that she will miss the Australian shows too. I'm now looking for divine intervention so that she can at least see one of the shows. I couldn't believe that I had known her for so long and never realised that she was a sister-in-arms!!
Is there anyone else out there who was at the 1974 Manchester show? Or any of the 1974 UK shows? If there are, I'd love to meet up with you all this July!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 19:03:50 ET
Posted by: Reality check, here for a long tme
For the newbies out there, some basic facts review may be helpful.
1. THERE IS NO FAN CLUB.
2. As stated in an earlier steely dan newsletter, I seem to recall more than once and it was on the front page for a while too, there will be NO presales or special ticket sales sponsored by steelydan.com
3. Tickets are always held back for promoters, band comps, contests and giveaways (like for radio stations or record stores or various sponsors). Others may run special sales or pre sales. Sometimes American Express does a presale block, or others like the venue or a season ticket-holder club (FYI no matter what someone at the ticket office may say or think, there is never as much as 12 rows held back, never, that is unheard-of)
4. SOME OF THE HELD BACK TICKETS DO GO ON SALE as time goes on, when the uses in #3 have finished. That's why we can still find good seats up front sometimes if we keep checking. Sometimes the best seats "appear" in Ticketmaster long after a show looks "sold out". This is in Ticketmaster's FAQ, and steelydan.com has tried to remind people of this for almost years. Several stories on this very board shows that this is what happens. Keep checking Ticketmaster!
5. THERE IS NO FAN CLUB.
6. THEREFORE THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL SALES TO "THE FAN CLUB".
Sorry for the shouting but it looks like some newbies could use the information
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 17:59:22 ET
Posted by: steely fan, nj
I got an envelope in the mail from Mohegan Sun today. Free SD tickets? YES! Neat invitation. Picture of Walt on one flap, and Don on the other with the words Legendary Jazz Duo below. If any memorabilia buffs want it, email me. It gave an 800# to call and instructs "ask for Steely Dan." So like a dork I call and when the guy answers I say "Steely Dan please." And the guy's like "sorry, my name's Chris." I didn't laugh. But I got the tickets reserved.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 16:53:24 ET
Posted by: dr wu,
Does anybody know of any other tickets being held back for the fanclub?
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 15:57:27 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
hey steely don, if you only want 1 ticket to the tower(thursday) there was one there this morning(row U on the aisle left center)not a bad seat,, go to steelydan.com and click buy... also i suggest you check back regularly,, i found 2 towards the front last week and they also had some loge seats! Good luck
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 15:21:16 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
PED: Exactly.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 15:15:49 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
FYI -
Here is some "new" news from DF.com. Could the UK version be different?
4/19/2007
THE NIGHTFLY TRILOGY UK Release
In addition to THE NIGHTFLY TRILOGY being released in the US on June 26th, this special boxed set will also be released in the U.K. on june 25th! Check back for updated details.
BTW - Upon further research, I don't think they recorded any of the
Fagen 2006 shows to my knowledge. If you explore the DF Box set track listing a little more closely, it states that "Viva Viva Rock and Roll" is "unreleased". It doesn't say anything about being live.
I'm pretty sure it is something Don has done in the studio. Also I wanted to let everyone know THAT RHINO HANDMADE SELLS SINGLE TRACK
DOWNLOADS FOR 99 cents! So If you have the three albums on DVD already or you don't use DVD's, you can still buy the bonus material separately. And sense ALL of the bonus stuff on the box set is pretty much being delivered in a digital "lossy" state, it is a safe bet to say that for once a digital download will compare with what is on the DVD. Hope this helps.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 15:00:00 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, I need tickets to Tower Theatre
Does anyone know if there are tickets available for the either of the two Tower Theatre shows in Upper Darby, PA. Ticketmaster says that they are both sold out.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 14:46:33 ET
Posted by: Pedantic 1,
ALKALI: ...."Alma madder".. (SIC)? Webster's says "Mater", in case you didn't know. Unless, of course you meant to imply that the Bard Admin. was itself "mad" to have come up with such a program?
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 14:43:41 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Thanks SS
Yes it's such a shame about TSA - when you've got something you like that much and its lost - I don't suppose you can ever recapture the magic.
I suppose the magic question for me is why change the band - that snippet sounds so good with Ed Greene
Now I'M depressed
Richard
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 14:19:01 ET
Posted by: Jared, Naples, FL
I was just on the phone with the Clearwater venue trying to buy a ticket for May 14. I finally got through to someone who told me the artist is holding back the first 12 rows center. They said this was very unusual and that they are probably holding back the seats for their fanclub. Isn't this the fanclub? That must be over 200 seats they are holding back. I can't find anything on the website, does anyone know how to sign up for this?
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 13:49:08 ET
Posted by: Phil, France
Hi there, don't know if you care but this what's in the hot news section at www.jaygraydon.com :
April 10, 2007
Jay working on a NEW album!!!
Yes, it is REALLY TRUE!!!! The rumors some of you have heard buzzing in the air for some time now, are in fact not just rumors. Jay Graydon is currently very very busy in his studio working on a new album with TOTALLY NEW MUSIC, written and recorded together with renowned songwriter Randy Goodrum. As I am sure you already know, Randy Goodrum has written a bunch of hit songs over the years, including IF SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL (Chicago) with Steve Kipner, and WHO'S HOLDING DONNA NOW (DeBarge) with Jay Graydon and David Foster.
This new upcoming CD is superbly crafted, loaded with original, sophisticated and catchy songs, with interesting melodic hooks paying close attention to sonic detail as always when Jay creates music. Anyone into the Steely Dan sound will surely love the subtle harmonic structures and clever lyrics.
At this point Jay has begun working with the time consuming mixing process, and there is so much work to be done before Jay and Randy will consider the album ready to be devoured by us starving music lovers. In a few months time we will have come a lot closer to the release of some really GREAT music, that is for sure!!!
So stay tuned for more news as things unfold!
By the way, I take the occasion to suggest you again to check out both Laurence Elder "Surround" new cd and Chin Chin's new album too, on this one try song 9 and wait a few seconds, sounds like Donald on the background vocals.
Have a nice week end
Philippe
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 13:48:25 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I tend to get a litlle depressed listening to The Second Arrangement. It's such a perfect song. Could we hust once hear it in proper quality.
Can anyone explain why the remake of the song is in such poor quality. Because the tapes were mistreated or so?
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 12:47:00 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
That's right, Richard - three versions of 2nd Arrangement.
And it was only recently that I caught my latest misheard SDlyric in that song.
'Ruth steps out with no regrets'
Woops.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 11:05:56 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Happy 420!
Everyone’s invited to my place tonight for Tea, crumpets and Schlitz.
A belated Dan moment, last weekends 60 minutes featured the duo’s Alma madder as sponsors of “The Bard Prison Initiative” offering criminals college degrees.
In the hopes and event that when they are released they’ll have the full capacity to recite excerpts from such literary giants as Joyce, DeLillo and Danto without any compunction before mugging and then slitting your throat.
Ah, the liberal arts colleges…ya, gotta love em! [SIC]
BTW, I believe the correct order is Irish of Judaic extraction.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 10:46:52 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Back to the Second Arrangement I am afraid
Am I right in thinking there are three versions floating around out there
1. A D&W demo
2. A full band attempt at a remake with Gadd/Wendel on drums
3. An 18 second clip of the original with Ed Greene on drums
Is that right???
Cheers
Richard
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 10:44:51 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, NY
Stuart,
You are remembering correctly.
There are plenty of well known live Steely recordings from the 70's out in circulation. Most are quite good soundboard recordings. Donald changed the piano line for "any major dude" for the live shows. The piano riff is a bit different - it sounds minor instead of major - because of that one changed note. It wasn't a mistake - it was purposefully done.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 07:21:55 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
About twenty years ago, a friend of mine in Ireland played me a very roughly recorded tape of Steely Dan playing live. It sounded like a member of the audience had taped it using a hand-held cheapo cassette recorder. If I remember correctly, as well as Donald, there were other people singing lead, so I guess it was from the seventies.
Even though the sound was horrific, you could still tell that the band was cookin’. But, the most remarkable thing about it was the fact that in “Any major dude” Donald played an out of key note in the middle of the main piano figure. He played it the same everytime, throughout the song. Really weird, but hilarious.
Is this a well known recording?
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 03:38:49 ET
Posted by: Nuwerk,
Brainstrainer et al.:
I got one for ya:
1)What does [sic] stand for?
I got another one for ya--redux:
2) Where in the world in 2006 did SD end a song with a chord never ever before performed nor heard in the history of all music?
I guess I'm not a playah: I thought the answer to your last question was Springtime. Hmmm.
Date: Fri, April 20, 2007, 00:39:06 ET
Posted by: Tchaichovsky, Midnite in Moscow
This sounds great to the waltz:
from Eugen Onegin
My Uncle Dave
My Uncle Dave was really funny
He'd make me laugh when I was a kid
He'd call me Colonel and Bub and Honey
He had a Gremlin Brain - he did!
My Dad told me something he'd never divulge:
Dave had iron in his head from the Battle of the Bulge
Asleep on our couch like a washed-out zero
How could neighbors know he was a hero?
His life was OK but not that nice...
But he loved Baroque and old Kurt Weill
He learned to play the flute with style
I'm sure he's in Gremlin Paradise
Sipping a sugary Jewish wine
With Pirate Jenny - his Valentine!
- Donald- you're no Pushkin!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 23:36:50 ET
Posted by: Gaelic Bloke, Dear Dirty Dublin
I tink dat Fagen may have bean readin dat Joyce fellar on account that it is, in part about, Leopold Bloom, a Jew of Irish extraction...
all the Fagens are from County Kerry I do believe
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 21:35:58 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYesC, NYes
Earth Day festivities tomorrow at Grand Central Station: FREE
12 noon- Jon Anderson & The School Of Rock All-Stars (14-15 y.o.phenoms) perform the music of Yes and several Beatles tunes.
Full concert Sunday night at Symphony Space (NOT FREE) on Broadway at West 95th street.. Oh yeah, they play "My Old School" too.
Check out these kids skills on several vids posted on youtube.com.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 20:32:30 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, another obsessive analysis...
Hey all,
On DF.com -> Show Business -> Visuals, there's a picture with DF leaning up against what (I assume) is his own bookcase.
Have you ever looked at the titles, trophies, and statues? Some are recognizable, and some are ... almost ... recognizable. It's driving me crazy!
Ones I'm able to recognize:
1. Top shelf -- Mao II, by Don deLillo.
2. Middle shelf -- Ulysses, by James Joyce.
3. Bottom shelf -- Beau Voyage, by John Brinnin. (I think)
4. Bottom shelf -- Larry Rivers. (I think)
5. Front of shelves -- The Madonna of the Future, by Arthur Danto.
Comments:
1. A likely DF read.
2. Every intellectual should own and claim to have read Ulysses.
3. Historical book on ships?
4. A modern New York artist. A likely DF read.
5. Art-review essays. A likely read by DF.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 17:49:17 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
the marquis, well well, I'l cool it. Just don't see no need to exercise this sort of censorship. Discussing Dan-related bands certainly fits the the Blue Book Codex. (Even if I'm the only one seeing the connection)
Great story boston Rag. Nothing as fascinating as first hand experiences.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 16:27:47 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
oh boston rag,,, i forgot to tell you i have no recollection of duke and the drivers!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 16:05:09 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Hey thanks, LWO. I was please with the result. Robert & Laurie chose a good quality printer. (I liked the ladies sizes also)
I just went on Ticketmaster from the SD website link and this came up:
SEC 5 K Full Price Ticket US $65.00 US $5.00 US $11.60
PRICE LEVEL 2
COVERED PAVILION RESERVED SEATING
BACK HALF OF PAVILION*ROWS A-Y
CENTER VIEW FACING THE STAGE
Hope you can make it: we will have some fun!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:42:46 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
BR, not that your past shirts haven't been a thing of beauty, but let me just say that the ones Denise and Co. produced for Chumash were DA BOMB. They even had ladies' sizes which fit oh so much better than the unisex variety!
Still working on Boston...any one have any ins on tickets, just for wishful thinking?
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:37:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Loved the story, thanks.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:37:13 ET
Posted by: the marquis, moutn belzoni
hey boston rag, thats what im talking about,,, great post and what a great dan story all the way around,,,,i dont rememeber too much about the show except i know they played botisatva(sp) , gold teeth ,reelin ..., do it again and of course the boston rag. I would love to here a jam version of Your Gold Teeth this time around! but as an aside I also saw them in Philly in '72,, they opened for tracy nelson and mother earth and then a big name band who i've forgotten,,, they sounded terrible for a while and then improved and i went out and bought CBAT and it was the beginning of many years of enjoying all their music(except 11 tracks).. In the paper the next day the reviewer noted that Steely Dan didnt do a sound check ,,hence those bad first few songs until they got it all mixed. I've seen every tour excpet '96,, dont know why i just did, regretabbly so!
PEACE
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:31:33 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, what a great story
Thanks always look forward to reading your posts
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:18:44 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
now, now TK dont take it personally ,,,,my intent was to get off that howard,/imus,/martha/rufus stuff and back to the steely stuff,, and maybe find someone who was at the '74 show,,,,,PEACE!
love the site hoops
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:16:44 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Time flies...
Marquis – Yep, that show at the Orpheum was 33 years ago last night. Do you remember Duke & The Drivers were the opening act? There was a delay because of sound problems and somebody yelled “Bring Back Duke & The Drivers!!!”
In the 80’s, a friend of mine was dating a girl and she noticed my friend played a lot of Steely Dan. She said “you know, I won a pair of tickets from WRKO to see Steely Dan at the Orpheum back in the 70s. I wound up not going to the show”. My buddy asked her if she still had the tix. She did! She gave him the two unused tickets and a Steely Dan/WRKO t-shirt she had stowed away.
Well, when Donald and Walter were looking for memorabilia for the box set, I forwarded one of the tix to Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador. They got it to Donald and Walter and it wound up on the back cover of the box set.
The story doesn’t end there. In ’93 I talked to Roger Nichols before the show and showed him the other unused ticket to the show. He took it backstage and Donald and Walter signed it! A couple of years later, Denny Dias was playing a benefit in Plymouth, MA and I got him to sign the ticket. Now I’m looking for the right time to get Skunk Baxter to sign it and my quest will be complete. Unfortunately, Jim Hodder is not with us today or he’d be the last signature on the ticket.
Hey Denise in Hinktown – SpongeBill and I need your help! We want to talk to you about t-shirt design and Danfest locations. Please e-mail me when you get a chance. Thanks!
Mark in Boston
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 15:08:12 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
now... now... TJ,, just trying to get the dan talk going rather than the howard/imus/rufus stuff, thats all... PEACE..
love the site hoops!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 13:44:43 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta
From the Steely Dan Newsletter:
Lucerne, Switzerland:
Fun, not frustration, when
Steely Dan plays the Blue Balls Jazz Festival
in Lucerne, Switzerland on July 27. On Sale Now.
LOL!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 13:38:18 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
A shame you didn't get stuck in 74', the marquis. Oh wait...
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 12:59:12 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Craig B:
You are more than welcome.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 12:49:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Thanks Bass and Raj
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 12:01:52 ET
Posted by: Four tracks, +Fours
http://www31.ocn.ne.jp/~deadfunny/gif/nichijo/250406.jpg
Do It Again
Dallas
Haitian Divorce
Sail The Waterway
(My copy featured a round orange and white sticker with black lettering on the orange saying "Another import album from JEM Records, So. Plainfield, NJ --- Reseda, CA." The sticker was placed in the yellow part to the right of Walter's feet.)
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:47:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Like I said, it's an instrumental with some very forgettable lyrics appended.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:47:26 ET
Posted by: s-fan, .
Those pictures of DF with the deer sweater were also used for the back of the Katy Lied LP. I think they are from the Schlitz commercial sessions.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:43:49 ET
Posted by: Sail lyrics,
Sail the waterway
My old man he been around the world
And he tells me everything
He told me how to tie a sailor's knot and made me how to sing
And though my man and I got it together
He still knows what to do
He say come on and sail the waterway, it feels so good on you
Come on and sail the waterway it feels so good on you
You can tell me you're a man of means and I wouldn't believe it's true
Today I seen you selling door to door and I know it makes you blue
Well you're bettin' your dollar on the wind and rain
When you put your money down
I say come on and sail the waterway and turn your head around
Come on and sail the waterway and turn your head around
You know the tide is high and the westward wind won't quit ya
And you know what you got to do 'cause the time is right
And the tide will wait for you
Well if you're tired of the race and the runners and the things they make you do
I say come on and sail the waterway come on and sail the waterway
come on and sail the waterway It feels so good on you
Come on and sail the waterway with me darling
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:31:15 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
The Sail the Waterway that I have a copy of is a fully produced track with DF vocal and some signature SD chords. Like Dallas, it is very much of it's time - a bit sunny compared to what followed on CBAT.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:30:02 ET
Posted by: duncan,
my copy of sail the waterway has vocals on ?
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 11:03:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Dallas and Sail the Waterway appeared on a 45 single prior to Do It Again. They were still searching for a voice as a band. This rarity can still be found on 12-inch vinyl, found mine in an antique shop on the Old Boston Post Road in CT. Hodder does a credible job on lead vocal. The early Dan here sounded like one of those country-rock ensembles so popular at the turn of the decade. The single did not chart, it was pulled by ABC Dunhill after a brief period. My copy has Donald shooting a peace sign and wearing a woolen sweater with two of the 2vN-type deer emblazoned on it. And, of course, the helmet hair he was famous for. Sail the Waterway is an instrumental, nothing remarkable about it.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 10:32:01 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Craig B:
Credits on "Dallas" according to Steely Dan Archive) are:
Drums: Jim Hodder
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar, pedal steel guitar: Jeff Baxter
Electric piano, piano: Donald Fagen
Lead vocal: Jim Hodder
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 09:47:52 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Question: Who sang the lead vocals on Dallas?
Thanks
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 09:27:03 ET
Posted by: Andrew, Rumson
Does anyone the history behind the songs Dallas & Sail The Waterway? Where these singles?
Also a tip if you're going to Atlantic City, stay in Absecon. I got a room at a B&B 5 minutes from the Borgota for under $100.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 09:26:27 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
sorry, tk, rufus wainright is so overated its a shame,,,, he cant sing and cant even pronounce words,, he sucks, and who gives a shit about howard stern/imus,,, talking heads , making controvery to justify themselves, they arent worth my time,,,,,,
i post about a '74 tour and all you dan kids probably werent even born and all you give a shit aboutis howard and imus and rufus and martha! do love the site hoops!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 09:17:30 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Daddy G - thanks for that link! Very cool!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 07:46:32 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
BEST SUMMER EVER!!
It's just been confirmed that Rufus Wainwright is playing the opera in Copenhagen in juli.
You may not be very fond of his sister, neither am I, but this is the real deal. No one besides the Dan uses such enchanting harmony as this genius Wainwright. And his voice is just marvellous.
I urge you to tjeck out "Want One" and "Want Two", and his album "Release The Stars" which is released may 15.
In case you are homophobic, just scroll.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 06:33:27 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Concerning European tickets !!
Paris is almost sold out, Brussels is selling slowly, Lucca is going good (no more numerated seats) and tickets for the North Sea Jazz festivall in Rotterdam are avaiable on may 12th but traditionally those tickets are flying quickly outside the window.
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 06:25:45 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
What i predicted a while ago has now confirmed on their website.
Ricky Lee Jones (8pm) and Steely Dan (10pm) are concerting the same night at the "Blue Balls Festival" in Lucerne in Switzerland on july 27th.
Life is beautifull !!
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 02:50:07 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Drumming up a following: Steely Dan man a fan favorite
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/FEAT05/704190323/1023
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 01:01:25 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
You are a truly disturbed individual. Why you choose to expend this kind of energy on attempting to harass me is puzzling. You must have a very sad and empty life. My sympathy to you.
G
Date: Thurs, April 19, 2007, 00:16:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah, when the stars bleed out...
Give it a rest, man. Respect.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 23:46:22 ET
Posted by: yeah, and a few other things,
What SD tickets for where are we talkin about here? $$?
How is it that you so opposed to Howard S. compared with your hubby?
The recent Pro-Bush statements that contradict your earlier writings of your disdain for the status quo?
Why these abrupt Changes of the Guard? Would you care to exxxxplainn?
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 23:31:07 ET
Posted by: jj, didn't even last a year
Grtechen - Why should you tell me? Because all you have been doing for the past five years is coming on here professing your love for Donald Fagen. That and arranging "danfests". So I find it kind of funny that you're selling all of your tickets. I think you owe everybody here, including me, an explanation! That's why!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 21:57:26 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Re: the latest Strainer:
"Godwacker" was the last New Testament tune to be played in public by Steely Dan. Name the song from the Fagen Trilogy from which this song is most musically derived."
Among the responses, Steely Doc was close with "New Frontier" which does kind of have that noodling guitar work as is used on "Godwacker". Doc had the right album but was three cuts later than the correct cut which was "Greenflower St.", the second cut on the classic "Nightfly". Sharkdeville, working the Graveyard Shift was first with the correct answer at about 3AM EST.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 21:45:08 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Why should I tell you? Bugger off.
G
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 21:02:21 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
A couple of Dan moments:
Blurb on FX: Stay tuned Reelin in the Years with "That's 70's Show"
Reelin in the Years played in the back ground on an episode of "Everyone Hates Chris"
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 19:51:21 ET
Posted by: jj,
Gretchen - OK, why did you purchase all of those tickets if you weren't going to use them?
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:36:45 ET
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean,
This court finds Don Imus guilty of having pretentions of high-brow relevancy in addition to being a racist. But worse than all that, he hasn't said anything funny since he posed the musical question over forty years ago at WGAR-Cleveland, "Are you naked, Baby?".
Guilty.
Hang 'em.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:36:21 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, here
Judge Judy, why don't you be a little less cowardly, honey, and use your real name if you have a question for me?
G
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:17:21 ET
Posted by: Judge Judy, Divorce Court
Gretchen - Who cares what you think. You're selling all of your Steely Dan tickets!!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:16:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well of course it's biased. Howard has wanted to bury Imus for decades in more than just ratings. Seems Imus beat him to the punch though.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:05:00 ET
Posted by: really?,
Rajah, you think any "expose" done of the Imus ranch by Stern is going to be non-biased? Please get real.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:02:46 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Thanks Josey!
As for my anon assaulter, no need to get hysterical. I am sticking up for Imus on the basis of the more intellectual and highbrow content of his show as compared to Stern... NOT for the fact that he made a very rude, offensive, and insensitive comment regarding the Rutgers women's basketball team. You seem like you're looking for any excuse to blow a gasket.
G
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 18:00:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Missing the point here, sweetheart. Howard is an allowed fool.
"This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;
And to do that well craves a kind of wit:
He must observe their mood on whom he jests,
The quality of persons, and the time,
And, like the haggard, cheque at every feather
That comes before his eye. This is a practise
As full of labour as a wise man's art
For folly that he wisely shows is fit;
But wise men, folly-fall'n, quite taint their wit."
BTW, Howard did a full expose' on Imus's ranch for cancer kids. He gains monetarily from it so let's hold off on that humanitarian award. Imus has carried a 1% market share on that lame excuse for a radio show. Imus got canned cause he doesn't generate money and the corporate sponsors seized upon his lapse and did a cut and run. Or maybe you think AMEX, GM and Proctor & Gamble stand on principle?
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 17:45:08 ET
Posted by: Sticking up for Imus?????????, I'm getting ill
YOU ARE STICKING UP FOR IMUS???????!!!!!!!!
Have you lost all sense of reality. The man is a confirmed RACIST.
He calls staffers the n-word. He hates Jews and degrades women coworkers. How can you ever defend that scumbag????? Jesus have you lost it out right? George Bush visits Walter Reed and he sends our kids to Iraq to lose their limbs. Will you defend him too?
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 17:19:40 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Gretchen - RIGHT ON!!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 17:18:24 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Rajah said "But he (Howard Stern) somehow maintains a relevant voice, unlike that totally irrevelant Imus."
Ok, maybe Howard is relevant to this culture because he maintains a lowlife humor and pedestrian sense of what's entertainment, which is the norm today. I find his bathroom humor and mysogynistic segments vile and insulting. He thrives on the downfall of Imus, knowing full well Imus had far more intelligent content in his broadcasts and often took a much higher road than Stern. For all the unacceptable things Imus has said over the years, up to and including the latest comments, he has always had high profile guests, intelligent discussion of current events, and was a great supporter of charitable organizations. His support of sick kids and
veterans at Walter Reed is something Howard would never have the balls or the character to take on.
G
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 16:49:24 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
happy anniversary to anyone who was there with me on April 18, 1974 at the orpheum theater in boston for a show so memorable the date is imprinted in my brain,, skunk, denny dias, 2 drummers don and walt and who remembers who else, don had this huge black piano with the lid up obstructing my view from the 4th row, but who cared ,,,what a show, of course the boston rag was the highlight,,,, copped a buncha tix for me and my dorm buds at boston university! then upon purchasing citizen steely dan years ago i see a picture of the ticket! If you happened to be there and can give me any more details please post them!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 16:49:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
He has indeed. He's a horse-toothed jack-ass but he really knows his pop music. They've had music trivia contests over the years and Gary is really hard to beat. Howard's schtick is to represent the lowest common denominator in our so-called society and he does it beautifully, massive contradictions notwithstanding. He has all the subtlety of a pile driver. But he somehow maintains a relevant voice, unlike that totally irrevelant Imus.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 16:24:02 ET
Posted by: triva, library
trivia - Gary Dell'Abate is not only a fan, but also some sort of relative (cousin?) to a steely dan production assistant Jill Dell'Abate found on SD cover credits. I think he's carried the SD banner a few times on Stern's show
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 15:08:20 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Okay here is the Howard Stern "skinny" from this morning. It was a hoot.
Gary Dell'Abate — aka Baba Booey, Boy Gary, Mac Hine, and other much less flattering nicknames and his new house is the cover story for this months Sound & Vision magazine. They ask him what is his top 5 CD's that he often listens to. Baba Booey list Steely Dan's Aja. Howard immediately starts goofing on him and calling him a 'fag'. Later in the show Howard was playing some music by, "Mountain" and he started to goof on Steely Dan again. Later in the Wrap UP show that is hosted by Mac Hine - ,aka Baba Booey, a lot of the younger staff members on the show tried to tell Baba Booey that no one under 35 knows who Steely Dan is. Younger staffers and callers immediately "lit up" the phone lines to inform the listening public that a "LARGE" amount of younger people LOVE STEELY DAN. Baba Booey later let everyone know that Steely Dan had SOLD OUT their run at the Beacon this coming May and June, "that is HOW POPULAR and RELEVANT" they still are. Gary later said he was even thinking of taking a road trip up state to the two casino shows. It was a lot of fun. Just plain great "BUZZ" being generated for Don & Walt this morning. You can't buy that kind of publicity. I think later a Blue poster from Florida called in. Lawgator? Maybe.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 14:36:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Love Howard (and George Carlin) but their musical tastes are for shyte.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 13:23:45 ET
Posted by: Lee, usa
Yeah, if it's not a loud cheesy hair band from the 80's Stern won't like it!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 13:16:03 ET
Posted by: Howard Stern said, about SD
They were talking about some of the top selling albums.And mentioned Aja.He pretty much said "If your gay you listen to Aja or Steely Dan." Thats all I heard.He watches American Idol what do you expect.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 12:07:01 ET
Posted by: Milo , Please give us a small example of what was said
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 11:34:59 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Please enlighten us on the Howard Stern show. Was Cousin Dupree in the studio?
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 11:14:38 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Steely Dan was THE talk of the Howard Stern Show & The Wrap-UP Show on Sirius this morning. What fun.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 06:22:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Jul 17 - Stockholm Jazz Festival - on sale 4/19 - ADDED
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 04:41:21 ET
Posted by: Fly on the wall, Fly on the wall
Gretch you are full of it girl. What a scam you almost had out there in LA.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 03:09:53 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, FL room
Donald on the 2007 shows:
"Yeah, we are going to try to throw everything in there. Last year we were touring with Michael McDonald opening. He used to be in our band in the 70s so we were doing a lot of stuff together. A lot of his audience was there. We were doing mainstream stuff and hits and stuff. This year we are going to try and mix it up with album cuts, some of our own stuff and have some fun."
well, this sounds promising...!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 02:50:14 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, FL room
Godwhacker=Green Flower St.
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 02:15:36 ET
Posted by: SteveV an, archives of 'Dan
yest that is it....the originall magazine was accompanied with some suitably farcical pics of the boys clwoning around on some roof top in mannyhanny....
a love their recognition that they've embellished their story so much!
stylies indeed......
" Steely Dan...were founded by guitarist Danny Dias and his childhood pal Danny Fagen...also helping out was Jeff "Stunt" Beckster and drummer Stilly Hodder...."
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 01:13:13 ET
Posted by: search box, sd.com
steveV is this the andy gill article you meant? Mojo 1995, it's on the ODP , found it using the search box
http://steelydan.com/mojo.html
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 00:59:01 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Lion City
Anne- I have Gemini Rising......and Gemini Moon....Virgo sun.....we aquire information non-stop....file it away for future use..
....add coffee.....bake well in tropical heat....the internet is the best/worse thing for Mercurial children of the 60's like me.....
i think the original Steely Dan (1971-1975) was one of the funniest ensembles around...worthy of a tv show or movie.....and Fagen and Becker are so friggin funny....I can start chuckling to myself when I remember some of the funny things they've said......something about the water in the NY area that makes people funny....btw I am from Babylon, LI....so I include myself in that dementedly hilarious view of the world.....
one of the funniest Steely interviews is the 1995 one with Andy Gill a great UK writer....try to track it down...plus the Rober Klein show from 1980 is priceles.....Klein is great comedian....I am sure that one of the reason Steely Dan is still around today is that Fagen and Becker are so busy cracking jokes they see no reason to stop the Steely juggernaut from sailing....it must be a sublime joke to them to still be trudging around 35 years later!
Date: Wed, April 18, 2007, 00:11:35 ET
Posted by: Steely Chris, Tucson, AZ
Brain Strainer, Trans-Island Skyway
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 23:06:20 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
"New Frontier" is the guess, a good one, but not correct.
We might have to up the ante on this one. Since most Danfans probably cannot make it to Australia, for which there is much speculation that those shows could be the tour's finest, we can bring a little Australia to the first person with the correct answer.
That person could, but not necessarily receive a 24 oz. jar of Vegemite. Good luck!
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 22:41:56 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
Brain Strainer: I will guess New Frontier....
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 22:13:48 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
"Godwacker" was the last New Testament tune to be played in public by Steely Dan. Name the song from the Fagen Trilogy from which this song is most musically derived.
Difficulty Level, about 4.
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 22:09:19 ET
Posted by: Rewritten Don, Fagenville
Yes "huh" it was "trend" but wouldn't it have been a delicious double entendre to follow the "pirate" reference with a "trim" reference?
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 22:05:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, here
I always liked this song by World Party....
We're setting sail
To the place on the map from which no one has ever returned
Torn by the promise of the joker and the fool
By the light of the crosses that bur-urn
Torn by the promise of the women and the lace
And the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep all the darkness you meet
You sail away from the light of the world
Listen baby - you will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow
You will pay tomorrow-ow-ow-ow-wow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow
Save me, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no
Oh-oh-oh, save me, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no
I want to run and hide
Right now - ri-ight now-ow yeah-eah-eah
Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
They will leave you-ou drifting in the shallows
Drowning in the oceans of history-y-y-y
Travellin' the world, you're in search of no good
But I'm sure you're philosophic like I knew you would
Using all the good people for your gallant slaves
As your little boat struggles through the the warning waves
But you will pay, you will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow
You gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow-ow-wow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow
Save me-ee, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no no no
Oh-oh-oh, save me-ee, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no no no
Where's it comin' fro-om or where's it goin' to?
It's just a - it's just a ship of foo-oo-oo-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ools
Yeah, oh Lord
G
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 21:14:40 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo....distracted in the workplace
Steve! You never fail to amaze me with your knowledge! Where on earth did you pick all that up??
:-)
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 21:10:19 ET
Posted by: Buzz, Too high in LEH
Correction: Borgata section 200 is stage left (not stage right) sorry, I was overwhelmed with excitement over my good fortune. Go for it!
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 20:58:26 ET
Posted by: SteveVin, double cappaccino
re- World Party......you people are so lucky....he (Karl Wallinger) is one of the true geniuses of post punk pop...Welsh Rock rules!!!!!....now can someone record the entire nite for a dvd spectacular????? (legally of course)
re-Steely Singapore....I ran into a friend who works at Warner Bros. Singapore....he was clueless about any info on Steely Dan's tour after Australia/NZ......but ...never say never....
re-internet radio ruling......I guess it was nice while it lasted.....but let's hear it for the record companies and the royalty board hip hip hoooray for corporate radio.....all schlock all the time.....
re-VA shooting....peace...love...and prayers to all....there is something about this week (April16-22) that seems to bring out the worst in this planet.....
re- ultimate trivia
1) Steely Dan's first official concert was in Seattle, WA, October 7, 1972,
2) they were the opening act for The James Gang
3) the producer of 'Dallas' is listed as Gary Kannon
-other highlights from that night 35 years ago---Baxter and Palmer snuck a joint right before the gig....Elliot Randall was waiting in the wings...just in case Dias popped a string....Fagen had a lifelike mannequin prepared to stand in during the solo on Do It Again...Becker hid behind Hodders hi-hat....and had a loud ringing in his ears the entire night....Joe Walsh introduced them as..."a bar band from Jersey City"...the entire show was recorded on beta by Roger Nichols and Dinky Dawson who was tripping......Victor Feldman opened the show with a conga solo....Tristan Fabriani and Kenny Vance got in a fight at the bar....Steely Dan's tour manager had scheduled the next night at a deli in Daly City...Reggie Jackson, longtime 'Dan fan...threw out the first pitch.....E Howard Hunt recorded 18 1/2 minutes of Jim Hodder singing Midnite Cruises accapella....Bob Woodward scribbled notes on his lapel......Seattle legends Hendrix and Cobain were there in spirit....the James Gang turned off the lights when Steely Dan were rehearsing causing Palmer to forget the words to the song Cant Buy a thrilll.....
good coffee
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 20:49:17 ET
Posted by: sabu, in the dunes
Borgata tickets just released, Section 200 row 10, just left of center. Saw DF there last year, sec 200 row 5. Superb view of left/center stage. Good luck...............sabu
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 20:44:13 ET
Posted by: Buzz, sky high in LEH
TICKET ALERT!!! Looks like Borgata has freed up some good seats, just landed 10th row, Section 200, stage right. I was disappointed having not been able to land any good seats the day tix went on sale, I was hoping for just this opportunity to get something decent. I also pulled up 11th row in section 400, so get'em while there hot!
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 19:03:03 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney
Gangajang to come on prior to World Party at the Perth show. These guys have been around for more than 22 years and had a huge cult hit called Sounds Of Then (This Is Australia)
I think I hear the sounds of then, and people talking
The scenes recalled by minute movement
And songs they fall from the backing tape
That certain texture, that certain smell
To lie in sweat, on familiar sheets
In brick veneer on financed beds
In a room of silent hardiflex
That certain texture, that certain smell
Brings home the heavy days
Brings home the night time swell
Out on the patio we'd sit
And the humidity we'd breathe
We'd watch the lightning crack over cane fields
Laugh and think, this is Australia.
The block is awkward, it faces West
With long diagonals, sloping too
And in the distance, through the heat haze
In convoys of silence the cattle graze
That certain texture, that certain beat
Brings forth the night time heat
Out on the patio we'd sit
And the humidity we'd breathe
We'd watch the lightning crack over cane fields
Laugh and think that this is Australia.
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 18:45:48 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney
Hoops, unfortunately neither Alan or I recorded the radio interview. I missed it completely ! Hopefully, Milo has emailed you his recording of it.
Bullgoose, Brisbane is the only show we won't be seeing as we would need to drive back from The Hunter and fly straight to Brisbane for the show that night, then back to Sydney the next day for the Ent Cent show. Therefore, we decided to skip Brisbane and entertain any guests that choose to visit (come on SS, you know you want to).
What plans for other shows as we have booked everything now for the rest of the Aus tour leg.
Cheers,
Scotty
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 17:48:44 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
Thanks Mark in Boston for the demo info.I guess the review could have been worded differant.Oh well
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 17:41:45 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
Thanks Mark in Boston for the demo info! I guess the review should have been worded a little differant. Oh well
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 16:25:11 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
That last post would have been a helluva lot more powerful if the lyrics weren't changed. Danfans can make the connection.
The atual story is too much for words.
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 15:12:27 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE
Agents of the law
Luckless collegiate
I know you're out there
With rage in your eyes and your megaphones
Saying all is forgiven
Mad Dog surrender
How can I answer
A man of my mind can do anything
I'm a launder mat’s son
I don't want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Centreville
Don't take me alive
Got a case of mini Glocks
I could sit here load and lock
Yes I crossed my old man back in Centreville
Don't take me alive
Can you hear the evil crowd
The lies and the laughter
I hear my inside
The mechanized hum of another world
Where no sun is shining
No red light flashing
Here in this darkness
I know what I've done
I know all at once who I am
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 12:13:20 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey all,
After re-reading my post from yesterday, I realize it was insensitive after the VA Tech shootings. Sorry about that. I was joking around with G: not thinking of VA when I wrote it.
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 04:13:32 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo, australia
The Australian fix is in, mates. Bullgoose stands revealed as a wild boy. What with all the Aussie tour elation, I've had a rush of bravado and am up for convening a Danfest before the Brisbane show 16th September. Please stay tuned.
The winery gig north of Sydney will be something special: outdoors, small crowd and just a kangaroo's hop from Muswellbrook itself.
There'll be wallaby skin jackets- one for everyone
What a beautiful world this has proven to be
What a glorious time to be free and Australian etc.
Date: Tues, April 17, 2007, 00:30:47 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Asleep at the wheel
Lucky bastards down under. World Party as an opener. Karl Wallinger is a great songwriter/musician. Not sure how good they are live, but on vinyl, very tight, almost Dannish as far as prodution goes. Almost.
KC
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 23:39:23 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, nyc,nyc,nyc
all de 5 shows @ ze Beacon...she's a no more tickets left.
Thank you NY.
7 yes those Roseland shows will be remembered with fondness...Possibly the peak was that last ones Kid C.
N'owleens jazzfest webcast via www.blueroom.att.com
May 6th
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 22:19:57 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
bikeman - Big Noise and Confide b-sides that were released 14 years ago WERE demos. Polished demos but still demos.
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 21:20:16 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
I guess I can ask again. The Fagan Box review says that Big Niose NY and Confide in me are DEMO versions. Anyone know if this may be a missprint or are they not the recordings we have already?
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 20:59:53 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Gretchen,
Wow, friend, get yourself another mimosa and lighten up. Walter was right you know, it is a f**ked up world. There's nothing to be done about it...hopefully we will allieviate some of this doom and glooom in May. Will you be at Wallingford? Can't wait.
D.
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 16:59:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Never released. It's out there, though.
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 13:09:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
From the 93 Tour does anybody remember SD's "Our Lawn"? If so, has this ever been officially released? Please email me.
As always thanks for your time
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 11:51:44 ET
Posted by: how sweet it is, the mailroom
FYI - Sweet still submits a request to interview D&W pretty much every public cycle like clockwork. He contines to be turned down. He'll never get that interview.
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 11:37:37 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Right.
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 11:31:09 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
That is not interview we were referring to. It is a RADIO interview.
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 11:28:02 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
This is a link to a transcript of that DF interview:
http://www.undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=1858
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 10:53:04 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
>>Speaking of Roseland, am I the only one who thinks of the two Roseland stands in 1995 and 2003 as bracketing a very special era in Steely Dan? Something ended there.<<
Jim,
I think THAT era actually ended last summer in 2006 with those two killer two set shows at SOBOBA! & San Diego. If an the ERA of two
set Steely Dan shows had to end, than you couldn't have picked a more glorious time and place for it than San Diego last year. Steely Dan right by San Diego Bay, as the sun was setting, back in SoCal where it all started for Donald and Walter. What a fitting end to an ERA if that is it! But I think JAPAN could be close. We will have to see. I also maintain that these Casino Steely Dan ONLY shows this year could go long.
I actually recorded the Fagen Down Under Interview hoops. What is the email address you want me to send it two. Can your email handle a MP3 that is under 10megs?
Milo
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 09:29:28 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, home at last!
Hey All,
I think ol' Hoops could write a very extensive tome on Our Boys, if he wanted to; it's beginning to sound (around here) like Sweet's book might be something to peruse, so I'm on that today, via the Amazon z-shops. Wish me luck.
Hey Suedave! Y'know, for my part, "selah" is a term that I shamelessly have stolen from one of my favorite writers. When LWO and I first started writing each other (miss ya Doll, so I do), she asked about it, and by the time I was able to get back with the same lame response I've just given you, she had a whole historic and literary background on the word and its usage...I think it might've been from Wikepedia...
I think the term is Hebrew in origin, and was used mainly in commerce. At a point-of-sale (and in relation to the weighing of a product on an actual scale--a monetary transaction of some sort, perhaps?), the seller's term would be "selah," meaning "weight this again," or "look closely at what I'm offering here." Or, "measure this before you decide"--something like that.
It was used by Hunter S. Thompson in a few essays and dozens of letters he wrote to friends, acquaintances, and others as a kind of salutation. (Is that the proper term for a closing line? Something along the lines of "Sincerely Yours"?) I just picked it up; thought it sounded cool, y'know; and I think it fits many of my missives, here and elsewhere. "See what I've said, here. Measure this again. Selah."
'Cause these lines can read like a flash, but many times, we're editing as we write. Personally, I rewrite many posts, letters, and the like, looking for a "beat," or nice rythm of consonance, or new way of stating what is, of course, the obvious. "Nothing new under the Sun," right? Right. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 09:18:23 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo....stimulation underload
Re-the biography:
Come on Singapore Steve, have another crack at it. I'm sure you'd have much better luck second time around. And your writing style would provide much better entertainment than some I could mention.
Hoping to hit your fair city sometime in the next few months for a bit of retail therapy and stimulation over-load (getting a bit tired of "watching the coconuts grow" here......and there's a special prize for any poster who can identify the author of that quoted phrase). Very muggy here too. And those who have baulked on here about Singapore's strict rules have no idea what they're talking about. No where else on earth have I ever felt so safe (apart from here).
Just a little note to return to the theme of set lists. Way back when in '67 and in to the 70s (well, not quite 67, but I couldn't resist the temptation to slip that one in!!) I was a keen Santana fan, progressing with them from the Woodstock "rock/Latin rock" days through to the more spiritual stuff of "Love, Devotion and Surrender", Caravanserai, etc,. When I eventually got to see them in Manchester (twice) in the mid-70s, I was so looking forward to hearing the later stuff, and Carlos' soaring guitar. However, the whole set was the early "hit" stuff, much to the disappointment of the crowd, most of whom were die-hard fans. It was obviously a "greatest hits" tour, probably under the instruction of their label. Even Carlos looked disappointed at what they were doing. After the second time of sitting through a greatest hits show, I was so disappointed, I never bought a Santana album again (until the recent revival). Now as for our boys, I'd still go even if the set consisted of nursery rhymes (well, McCartney did one!!), but I hope they stick to the press reports of mixing the set, with some old, some deep cuts and some newer stuff. After all, many people will be going to see them just for the "greatest hits", but I'm sure that when they hear the newer material, they will be so impressed that they'll go out and buy the later albums. I hope also that we get to hear Walt doing "Slang of Ages"...he has such a sexy voice on that!!!
Roll on july!!!
:-)
Ann
Date: Mon, April 16, 2007, 04:35:33 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thanks Hoops. I suppose having at least one great biography is essential in order for a band to be canonized in music history. Sweets is a good start and should make it easier for the next to write a Sweet-critical new biography. It even seem possible to maybe get an interview with the two these days. But as far as SD was non existing in the seventies apart from the music, will there ever be one? Who should do it, Hoops, Fogel? Don & Walt?
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 23:59:12 ET
Posted by: pr man, LA
re- Sweet's claim on Metal Leg-
it is quite probable that the info on the jacket of the book was written by a pr person for omnibus , with little input from Sweet, also it's not like he was calling the book "Meta Leg presents ....Steeely dan"......jeeesh
maybe to current publishers of Leg should publish all their work as a paperback ???/pdf..
Sweet did what he did....it wasn't always pretty...but it is what it is
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 23:50:10 ET
Posted by: Turning Japanese,
SD is opening the venue
http://www.billboard-live.com/
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 23:42:51 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, cranky.....
I know we're all happy because SD is on a world tour, but lately I've been feeling very down because of the state of affairs of this country and the world. I have a few ticktes to sell, please contact me for the dates. Just want to share the lyrics of one of my favorite songs:
1. Love the lie and lie the love
Hangin' on, with a push and shove
Possession is the motivation
that is hangin' up the God-damn nation
Looks like we always end up in a rut (everybody now!)
Tryin' to make it real — compared to what?
2. Slaughterhouse is killin' hogs
Twisted children killin' frogs
Poor dumb rednecks rollin' logs
Tired old ladies kissin' dogs
Hate the human, love that stinking mutt (I can't stand it!)
Try to make it real — compared to what?
3. The President, he's got his war
Folks don't know just what it's for
Nobody gives us rhyme or reason
Have one doubt, they call it treason
We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut (God damn it!)
Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? (Sock it to me, now)
4. Church on Sunday, sleep and nod
Tryin' to duck the wrath of God
Preacher's fillin' us with fright
Tryin' to tell us what he thinks is right
He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!)
Tryin' to make it real — compared to what?
5. Where's that bee and where's that honey?
Where's my God and where's my money
Unreal values, crass distortion
Unwed mothers need abortion
Kind of brings to mind ol' young King Tut (He did it now)
Tried to make it real — compared to what?!
G
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 22:41:00 ET
Posted by: Lee, usa
The Truth and Old Metal Leg subscriber- Thanks. That's what I thought. Sounds like Sweet's book should have been called "The Royal Scam".
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 21:53:54 ET
Posted by: That 70s SHow, the Archives of Dr.Benway
Tough Trivia for the Children of 'Dan
1)Where was Steely Dan's first "official" concert (ie non-California)?
2) What group did they open for at tat first concert?
clue- it was a fellow ABC Dunhill band
3) Trick question- who produced the 45rpm 'Dallas"????
correct answers will receive an authographed copy of the life and times of Tristan Fabriani
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 21:49:34 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
I would have enjoyed RIY a lot more had I not looked up most of his source material (read: old magazine articles) on microfilm years earlier. I'm glad they didn't agree to legitimize that slop by granting an interview. The "specialised" spelling was a distraction.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 20:56:56 ET
Posted by: SteveVin, Orchard Rd kopi tiam
Re- Brian Sweet's work etc-
In hindsight, now about 15 years since his book was first published, he did a decent job considering that he did not get access to Fagen/Becker.
Steely Dan, thanks in no small part to their own embellishments regarding the "early days", are one of the hardest subjects in rock to research; they did limited interviews from 1972-1975...and about 1 per year until 1981.....as fas as I know Hodder, Baxter, Palmer, Dias have/had never been interviewed in detail about Steely band 1971-1974....Baxter did a great interview for WLIR many years ago that was great and he will always throw a humour-esque anecdote out when pried......
I myself was putting together a manuscript about the 'Dan circa 1991, when there was no idea whether they would ever get back together and was trying to permission from Fagen to reproduce the artwork of their lps in my book, having already secured permision from MCA Records, I thought I had a good chance of illustrating my book with the great 'Dan covers.....but after receiving a letter from Fagen's manager-I was told to call his office, which I did...after bit of talk with the receptionist- i was told that I would not be given permission simply because Fagen and Becker were writing THEIR own book on Steely Dan!
Am still waiting for that! I guess Sweet never got permission either as none of Steely Dan's lp covers are in 'Reeling In the Years'.......having said all that at least Sweet was able to put together a final product and get it published, his writing style and fact checking may leave room for criticism but the narrative reads well enough....
Monday morning...muggy here global warming
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 19:42:30 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Alan, Scotty, or someone who was able to get their mitts on DF's interview on radio in Australia.
Could you send us a brief summary of what was said for the Dandom Digest? Email privately. THANKS! Would be much appreciated.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 16:53:42 ET
Posted by: Old ML Subscriber,
Ann - This is complete BS. Pete and Bill put that fanzine on the map. Brian did start it but had hardly any subscribers. Pete had the knowledge and Bill was a super star stud at a major advertising firm in NYC. Pete had the news, and Bill knew how out to get it out there. Pete and Bill should have changed the name of the zine when they took it over, but they didn't. This gave Sweet the balls to put this line on the back of his book.
Brian Sweet is editor and publisher of Metal Leg,the UK-based Steely Dan fanzine."
Sweet should have taken the credit for starting Metal Leg. But he shouldn't have taken the credit for its success. That was all Pete and Bill's doing. Brian is a putz for putting this quote on the back of his book..... It's not true, just like the majority of his book.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 16:31:37 ET
Posted by: Al, where are you now?
Isn't it ironic that the day Al Sharpton gets Imus fired, the Duke LaCrosse team is exonerated?
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 13:29:12 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Don Ho RIP?
The name is actually Don IMUS not Ho.
It seems he called a girl a “Ho” though, to coin the urban vernacular, and was promptly dismissed from his posts at CBS and P-MSNBC.
All for declaring that rough tattooed home girls will always be out hooped by pretty white trash…
Che sera sera.
Concerning this latest tour, although I’m going to a couple of shows here in the East,
Shouldn’t it be renamed from the “over the hills and far away” tour to just simply S.O.S.?
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 12:22:09 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Dearest Ann,
Truth be known. If you meet Mr. Sweet, he will expect that you kiss his feet and his ass too.
Truth also be known: If you ever find yourself in that situation, it is your feet dearest Ann that should be kissed, not his.
Sweet wrote a book based on other people's writings. He's been largely out of touch for the past decade. Not worth most Danfan's time to look up beyond the actual book.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 12:12:52 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo- Middle of friggin' nowhere!
Thanks Jim et al for putting me right about Mr. Sweet. Seems I have been here in the jungles a bit too long....21 years this May! Consequently, I missed it all and were it not for the internet, I wouldn't know a darn thing about what's happening with our boys right now....and I wouldn't have found the wonderful Blue Book, or met all you posters, and I wouldn't be posting here...and I wouldn't have made the trek to the US to see them last Summer and I wouldn't be making the trek to the UK to see them this Summer....and I'd have a hell-of-a-lot more money in the bank.....but I wouldn't have missed any of it for the world!!
Mr. Sweet, I hope you're at the SD gig(s) I attend this Summer. Please make yourself known to us, then I can kiss your feet.
Yours grovellingly,
Ann
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 11:58:57 ET
Posted by: hoops, to tj in dk
Hey TJ! Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Regarding Brian Sweet, I have little idea. I've spoken with him on the phone a couple of times, traded a couple of emails maybe 6-7 years ago and he attended one or two the 2003 Roseland shows. Obviously, there are plenty of serious Steely Dan fans who know so much and have next to nothing to do with the internet. But my overall impression is that Sweet's interest in SD peaked in the late '80s and early '90s with a few flare ups of renewed interest here and there. I'm not quite sure what he's up to. And not to take anything away from his contributions to Dandom, but a lot of what he has written is as a third party who has done a lot of research. I'm comparing this to someone like Pete Fogel who knows a number of the players and key figures first hand.
As far as Bill Pascador goes, he was also at Roseland in 2003 and more recently I've connected with him at DF's first solo show in NJ in 2006. And Pete Fogel, well, more than a few of you have had the pleasure and experience of meeting Pete as recently as the past year's shows. One thing people may not realize is that Pete has a mind that is very encyclopedic. He is a human baseball encyclopedia and that innate ability carries into his knowledge of Steely Dan. When it comes to facts and figures, it's like Pete's brain is wired in a super human way. If you ever need a Steely Dan or Baseball fact "lifeline," Pete bats 1.000 -- Remember "Stump the Fogel"?
Speaking of Rosland, am I the only one who thinks of the two Roseland stands in 1995 and 2003 as bracketing a very special era in Steely Dan? Something ended there.
Jim
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 11:27:13 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The early discussion is the 2007 Dannys at Boston this year...watch the Dandom Digest for more info.
Ahh, well, someone wrote that bit about the publication of Metal Leg while I was writing up stats.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 11:21:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Ann: Brian Sweet started Metal Leg in the UK with its first issue dated April 1987. Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador took over Metal Leg with the July 1990 issue which also was the first to orginate from not only from NYC but the USA. Many agree the proximity to all that was happening in those exciting early 1990s allowed for better coverage. Metal Leg suspended publication in 1994, although in early 2000, Brian Sweet considered reviving it. Today, the text of those issues can be viewed at John Granatino's Steely Dan Resource site at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mllist.htm John lovingly retyped the vast majority of those issues -- not scanned and OCR'ed -- with a few portions entered by moi.
Was having a discussion with someone who was arguing that SD was over-exposing themselves in the NYC area with five shows so soon after 2006 when there was only two shows.
I don't think the venues can be compared in terms of exposure and tickets sold. Assuming the venues' web sites are still accurate, capacity and tickets sold in the NYC Tri-State area break down as follows. Keep in mind this assumes there were no comps or fence jumpers--of course, there were those.
Ideal Capacity
Beacon: 3, 154
Jones Beach: 15,200 (was about 11,000 before 1998)
PNC: 17,500
Roseland Ballroom (1995 & 2003) = ~3500 mostly standing capacity
Ideally the number of seats available each year:
2000 = 47,900 (2 X JB, PNC)
2003 = 39,700 (JB, PNC, 2 X Roseland)
2006 = 32,700 (JB, PNC)--doesn't include previous MTC shows in NJ and at the Beacon
2007 = 15,770 (Beacon X 5 )
It could be argued whether CT dates should be included in the NY/NJ/CT Tri-State area stats for SD concert venues.
But I don't think they are over exposing themselves in the past two years combined. And conceivably, there's going to be a percentage who go to more than one show or all five.
All trivia to consider...
Jim
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 10:59:39 ET
Posted by: Brian AND Pete (and Bill) = Metal Leg, It's a small world...
Quote from John Grantino's "The Metal Leg Archives":
"From 1987 through 1994, diehard Steely Dan fans turned to a small fanzine called Metal Leg for information about Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. Published first by England's Brian Sweet (who went on to write the unofficial band biography Steely Dan: Reelin' In The Years) and later by New Yorkers Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador, Metal Leg set high standards by providing solid information without resorting to papparazi-style tactics.
Now, for the first time, with the cooperation of Pete Fogel, the Metal Leg archives are being published on the World Wide Web. Enjoy the archives!
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
- Pete became editor in 1990. Read more: http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mllist.htm
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 09:51:22 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
I did some googling on Brian Sweet, but apart from the obvious links to "Reeling in the Years", all it gave me were sites about Brian Connelly of "Sweet" (the blonde-bombshell lead vocals of the British glam-rock band of that name). However, an ad and review of the book did pop-up on what looked like a Swedish (?) SD website:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_biography2.htm
which accredited Sweet as:
" Brian Sweet is editor and publisher of Metal Leg,the UK-based Steely Dan fanzine."
Eh? Does Pete know about this, or have I missed something in my years of isolation in Darkest Borneo??
Enjoy your Sunday folks, I'm off to bed soon, ready for the dreaded Monday morning.
Ann
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 06:51:31 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
SueDave: I'll be at Wallingford CT and at Boston on the second night (30th.) Hope to see you! Danfest in Wallingford? I have booked a hotel...shoot me an e-mail.
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 06:36:07 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Hoops, do know what Brian Sweet is doing (today)? Is he a writer? Does he have a webpage? Is he preparing another update of the book? Will he be attending the shows this summer...?
Date: Sun, April 15, 2007, 01:15:53 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
Hello 1 and all. Scouser here. I hope it's not to forward of me to post a Doctor Wu band gig here. I'm not to sure about the Bluebook etiquette . But if it's problem please let me know. Friday May 4th 8.30pm- 12pm .The Doctor Wu band will be playing at the Malibu Inn
22969 Pacfic coast Hwy
1 310 456 6060
www.malibu-inn.com
SET 1
BODHISATTVA
HEY 19
GREEN FLOWER ST
RIKKI
SIGN IN STRANGER
DO IT AGIAN
KINKG OF THE WORLD
MY OLD SCHOOL
SET 2
Aja.
BLACK COW
AJA
PEG
HOME AT LAST
I GOT THE NEWS
JOSIE
SET 3 ( Songs the band likes to play lol )
WHAT IS HIP
COME TOGETHER
TEMPTED
(Back to Steely songs)
GAUCHO
NIGHT BY NIGHT
KID CHARLEMANGE
DR WU
Thanks agian hope you can make it
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 21:43:34 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Suedave....have tried the Becker wine it wasn't too bad.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 21:34:25 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
Forget Don Ho in Japan. RIP
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 21:25:48 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I guess The Beacon doesn't qualify as a "large venue" but they've sold out 4 shows and have added another.
So what about Danfests, eh? Any ideas out there?
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 21:25:16 ET
Posted by: suedave, wa state
Milo - true enough on both counts - she was a bit whiny and he did say that...but when you get older you embrace the freedom that maturity brings and celebrate everything you can do. What I heard between the lines, in the most optimistic way was that in this case the 'hits' are not mandatory.
Denise in Hinktown - which shows are you going to in your neck of the woods?
My recent Steely moments: went out to eastern Washington last weekend to do wine tasting and went thru the town of Selah. Still not sure what that means. Bobbo?
Also seemed like Donald was a popular name on mailboxes around the town of Zillah. Not to leave unbalanced, the winemaker at one of the wineries told us he studied under Dr. Becker (and his wines have won many awards). Helmut Becker. Will have to look that one up.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 20:48:18 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
TWM
According to this link the Tokyo venue only seats 320 people. One can only imagine the tickets will be extremely expensive.
http://www.tokyo-midtown.com/en/shop/32/index.html
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 20:11:48 ET
Posted by: japan draw,
Aren't the Japanese gigs at clubs? The Blue Note or something similar?
They're not playing Budokan-sized places 5 nights in a row.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 19:06:36 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Girl Margaret
In that case you have to prepare yourself for Lucern, Switzerland on july 27th.
8pm Ricky Lee Jones
10pm STEELY DAN
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 18:38:03 ET
Posted by: TWM, thirdworldman, uh huh...
It seems that in Japan SD can sell out a large venue for 5 or 6 dates, consecutively, is there no way this would work here in the US at a major metropolitan venue? What is the difference and are they super strong draw-wise in Japan??
curious, Doug in Ct. :)
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 17:00:38 ET
Posted by: El Supremo, Louisville, KY
That Scam/Sneaks/Aja medley was one of the AIA outtakes that would eventually wind up on the Cousin Dupree European maxi-single. The other was the live version of Fall of '92. I heard both were kicked around for AIA but the medley was cut because they opted for the full version of Aja performed in 1994 and they thought one Becker tune was plenty. The days of the packed maxi-single are almost over it seems as this was the last (that I've found at least) single that had bonus tracks on it.
An interesting note: the SD albums represented on AIA were -
CBAT - Reelin'
CTE - Bodhi
RS - Stranger, Kid C, Green Earrings
Aja - Aja, Peg, Josie
Gaucho - Babylon, Third World
11TOW - Book of Liars
That leaves out PL, KL Nightfly and Kami.
Interestingly, the NYRnS CD contains tracks from all of these except Kami (which wasn't out at the time) -
PL - Pretzel Logic
KL - Chain Lightning
Nightfly - Green Flower St.
Coincidence? Who knows.
Elsupremo Mike in rainy Louisville.
P.S. - Looks like I'm headed to Toledo this year to see that Dan at the Zoo ...
P.P.S. - Hoops, if you would have made it to Detroit you would have heard Peg inserted where Sneaks was in the medley. A rarity from the first few shows of 93 ...
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 12:25:56 ET
Posted by: MEYER -MEYER,
Don Ho to open in JAPAN
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 11:04:51 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Yesterday I was surprised with two different Steely Dan treats.
The first one came as I was napping on the couch during commercials for Law and Order at three in the afternoon. Imagine my lil ole heart racing a mile a minute as I see a commercial for Steely Dan's fifth show at The Beacon Theater! Oh how gladdened I was that I didn't sleep through that!
The last night I was out at a local bar celebrating the final rehearsal of The Baroque Orchestra with my childhood friend the conductor and there was a three piece band playing random covers in the corner. I turn to my friend and asked if he thought they would know any Steely Dan. His reply, "I don't know, but I'm sure you'll get drunk enough to ask." Well, some cranberry and vodka later I turn to the guitarist/lead singer and ask him "Hey! Do you guys know any Steely Dan?" and he says "Yes by way of Ricki Lee Jones." I was like what the hell does that mean, and then they went into Showbiz Kids, albeit an abridged version and they sang Las Vegas instead of Lost Wages, but whatever. It was all good times.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 10:43:33 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Set openers of Boston Rag and Royal Scam in 2000 was probably as good as it gets for me. The sequence of songs from that tour was unbelievable. If I recall in 2000 the first set ended with Hey 19, which came across like an encore. Then opening back up with RS was mesmerizing. And Deacon Blues...wow.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 10:38:36 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
..the info about World Party has now been added to SD.com ...
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 10:26:44 ET
Posted by: Message to Milo, From everyone else
Milo-----> Are you making up the bit about World Party? Where are you getting this info? Or just wishful thinking? Or a joke?
"With a cough, I shake it off"
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 08:25:41 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
Ok so pardon my ignorance but WTF are World Party ?
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 04:40:37 ET
Posted by: Singapore?, Where the rats grow bigger then any where in Aisa
They only play in countries where you can at least chew gum and do not toss you in jail for smoking carpet.
Date: Sat, April 14, 2007, 03:37:44 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
wow!!
world party to support down under
a great band, you lucky buggers.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 20:46:42 ET
Posted by: tarheeldanfan, Raleigh
Hoops,
Ticket to nTelos arrived today- have not seen the boys since sojourn to Charlotte and then Manassas- easier trip this time and looking forward to it. All the best, TarHeel Dan Fan
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 20:27:25 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Brian Sweet's book should be considered from several perspectives, if you ask me.
First of all, if you are new to Steely Dan or if you want to learn more, it is extremely informative.
Yet, over time, as you listen to these great Steely Dan albums, go back and read the book again and you will find you might argue or disagree with some of what Sweet writes.
If you have access to back copies of Metal Leg ( check out http://www.granatino.com/sdresource ) you will find that much of the book is based on material that first debuted in these Metal Leg issues--the majority of which were under Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador's oversight, and not Sweet's.
One other thing, there are gaps in the story and he fills these in with some very intelligent speculation--but it is speculation. Sometimes Sweet presents that speculation in such a way that it seems like fact when it is not for certain.
I find it's like reading my high school world history text. It really brought my understanding to a new level and I don't know what I would have done without it. At the same time, as I grew older and more experienced, I moved on to more detailed materials, more advanced writings and formed my own opinions and understandings that differ from that high school text.
Remember there are three versions out there. The original from around the time of the 1993-94 tour; an updated version from six or seven years ago; and in 1999, the first edition was adpated and streamlined for this mini-book that was part of a series of books roughly the size of a CD case. The updated version gave me the most insight as to the perspective of the book. Having experienced the 1990s and circa 2vN period with more awareness and with the experience of an adult--I was a lad during SD's 70s hey day--I found I disagreed with certain info and certain slants of some of that added '90s material, while other parts were dead-on.
I hope my perspective helps you form your own unique perspective of this book. Do read it.
Jim
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 19:35:02 ET
Posted by: Chris, ma
Lee, it seems reasonably accurate because it all comes from reliable (and cited) sources (Katz, past musicians, interviews).
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 19:09:32 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Beam Me UP Scotty!!!! Wish I could afford it this year!
BTW - Don't get your hopes up for these "Deep, TWO SET shows my Aussie friends. Because it is not going to happen. There will be an OPENING ACT! But at least it is a good one! World Party!
I thought maybe Karl was done. Steely Dan and World Party, sounds like a good show to me, but as always an "opening act" will cut down on the Steely Dan experience. One of the BEST shows I ever saw was
World Party with Jellyfish at the Vic in Chicago.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 18:21:55 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Syndey
Good morning everyone.
Long, long time since I've posted but have always tried to keep up to speed with the goings on here.
No use trying to describe how it felt when the Australian leg of the tour was announced. Needless to say that flights and accomodations have already been booked for every show in Aus, except Brisbane.
Anyone planning on doing this leg of the tour, please email me and let Lynda and I return some of the hospitality you have shown in 2003 and 2006. Come to Sydney and be our guests :)
I missed that interview on WSFM Alan, but last night saw the launch of the TV advertising campaign. Seems that the Frontier Touring Company have got their shit together and are promoting this tour heavily already. As it should be. As it deserves to be.
Lastly, to Donald and Walter and the amazing band. THANK YOU for extending the tour to our shores. You guys are going to love this place.
Cheers,
Scotty
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 16:41:04 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, safsdaf
yes, days ago
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 16:23:53 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
New Beacon show added.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 16:06:09 ET
Posted by: Lee, usa
Chris - How could it "seems reasonably accurate" if we don't know the real truth? Yes, I know that the Royal Scam came out in 1976. But did DF really write a letter to Bob Dylan asking him to play keyboards in his band? I don't think that "seems reasonably accurate".
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 14:46:38 ET
Posted by: Chris, ma
Lee, give Reelin In the Years a chance. Brian Sweet conducted extensive interviews with Gary Katz and many session musicians who worked with Steely Dan. He also sorted through a huge amount of interviews. It shouldn't be considered the Bible of all Steely Dan knowledge, but most of it seems reasonably accurate.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 14:09:26 ET
Posted by: Lee, usa
Richard - "But didn't they rehearse it once". What?? Where did you read that? In Brian Sweet's book? LOL
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 14:02:39 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Lee
Yep the odds of them playing the 2nd Arraignment are more than a billion to one.
But didn't they rehearse it once.
I am looking forward to autobiogrpahy as well but there is as much chane of that as the live Second Arrangement.
Sorry just listening to Carlock's album Rudder - all good stuff
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 13:59:55 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
cj - no plans to head east, yet. So far it looks like the only show I'm going to is Memphis. It would be nice if they added a couple of 'true' midwest shows in June before they start pond hopping.
KC
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 13:32:10 ET
Posted by: Lee, usa
Richard- The odds on them playing The 2nd Arraignment? How about 100 billion to one. They won't even play some of the great stuff that they have actually put out! What makes you think they would play an out-take that nobody is suppose to have in the first place?
As far as Sweet's book? Forget it. I never had the desire to read it. Becker and Fagen weren't involved which means everything is "guess work". Plus the guy lives in the UK!! How did he get is information living on the other side of the pond? When the "Dynamic Duo" put out their own book I'll be the first in line to buy it. As they say in England, pure rubbish!
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 11:32:19 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Suedave-
You forgot that Donald also told that "whiny tart" that, "They don't HAVE TO PLAY anything". We are almost 60 years old he said. "We play what ever we want". Boy I hope that Aussie station is cranking
out the "hits" over the PA before the show. You folks will get to hear some sweet, sweet Loverboy.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 09:53:05 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol
SS
Don't know about Gadd and KS but I'll see if there is any info about - thinking about it, it could be Gadd, Marotta, Purdie, Greene or Porcaro. They all probably did it knowing how things were then.
By the way Marotta also did Kulee Baba but the version we heard is Purdie. Hey Nineteen was just Marotta, DF on lectric piano and a click to start.
Someone needs to do the tracking sheets for Gaucho and all its outtakes
Cheers
Richard
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 09:03:42 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYC,N5BEACONSHOWS
AT & T webcasts New Orleans Jazz Fest May 5th & Steely 6th, 2007
www.blueroom.att.com/events/jazzfest.php
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 08:34:18 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, reading room
Hey,
I was pokin' at you in jest, Hoops ol' buddy! Trying a hand at "homage in parodie," as it were; KV loomed large in my makeup, y'know...probably not so different from many of us here.
Boy, these foreign dates are mighty tasty on the surface... which legs do the Great Ones expect to be the best? I think the Japanese "nightly show" sounds like a once-in-a-lifetime gig, but with Lucca, and Aussie/NZ, and Paris and London, by-God-Berlin... which are the most doable if the passport paperwork trail began, say, week of Monday? Which shows are we excited about, Danners? And is North and South America on the winter wind (again)?
bobbo
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 07:11:13 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Thanks for that Richard. I'll listen a little differently next time to Kulee Baba.
I've always wondered whether it was Steve Gadd on Kind Spirit. Any insight ??
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 06:00:58 ET
Posted by: Ezzra 11, Flevoland
This is a test:
Scientists' 'perfect' bacon butty
Experts spent 1,000 hours testing different bacon variations
Scientists have created a mathematical formula of how to make the perfect bacon butty.
Experts at Leeds University discovered the secret to the ideal sandwich lay in how crispy and crunchy rashers were.
They found that two or three back bacon rashers should be cooked under a preheated oven grill for seven minutes at about 240C (475F).
The bacon should then be placed between two slices of farmhouse bread, 1cm to 2cm thick.
Cooking times
Four researchers at the Department of Food Science spent more than 1,000 hours testing 700 variations on the traditional bacon sandwich.
They tried different types and cuts of bacon, cooking techniques, types of oil and a range of cooking times at different temperatures.
A shortlist was then tested with computers to measure the texture of each sandwich.
Fifty volunteers also judged each sandwich according to its taste, texture and flavour.
'Turn-off'
Dr Graham Clayton, who led the research, said: "We often think it's the taste and smell of bacon that consumers find most attractive.
"But our research proves that texture and the crunching sound is just - if not more - important.
"While there was much debate within our taste panels on the smoked or unsmoked decision, everyone agreed that tough or chewy bacon is a turn-off."
The formula is: N = C + {fb (cm) . fb (tc)} + fb (Ts) + fc . ta, where N=force in Newtons required to break the cooked bacon, fb=function of the bacon type, fc=function of the condiment/filling effect, Ts=serving temperature, tc=cooking time, ta=time or duration of application of condiment/filling, cm=cooking method, C=Newtons required to break uncooked bacon.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 05:44:57 ET
Posted by: Ezzra 11, Flevoland
I just got the mail. The return address is "Bluebook," postmarked NYC, and it's a DVD of some fat guy eating a bunch of candy and then throwing up in the gutter. You call that Jihad? I'm about to go Kampuchean on everyone, indiscriminately, since I don't know who sent this jewel of a short film.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 05:24:03 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
SS in HK
Forgot to mention that it was Purdie on Kulee Baby apparently
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 04:54:58 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Thanks Richard. I thought it might have been that book, which I haven't read.
I'm always curious on the Gaucho outtakes about who is playing on which track.
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 04:46:56 ET
Posted by: Ezzra 11, Flevoland
"Fame is such a strange appendage to all that is already insane." - C
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 04:10:29 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Still Sparking In Hong Kong
The reference to the 2nd Arrangement is in Brian Sweet's book Reeling In The Years (available from Amazon)
I think the quote was from Gary Katz and if I remember the line up was Greene/Gadd on drums, Will Lee on bass and Hiram Bullock on guitar - the others I don't think were listed.
'Katz' couldn't understand why Ed Greene wasn't used when they recut it because it didn't sound the same. I also presume the Gadd version is the one in circulation as the Greene version was erased.
How much on them doing Second Arrangement on the High Rollers Tour????????? - now that would be worth seeing.
The book is pretty good really and well worth getting hold of. It's kind of teasing - it goes into a fair bit of detail but because you know there is more its frustrating at the same time.
The other thing to note is that AJA will be the subject of one of those little 33 1/2 books on classic albums and is due out in June in the UK (can be ordered from Amazon as well.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Richard
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 01:44:14 ET
Posted by: Jasmin, Can't say
Alan is mean! He wouldn't answer my question & kept askin' where I live! It was like that show "To catch a pedator" !!!
Im in the green room if anyone's awake ... except Alan!
Date: Fri, April 13, 2007, 00:14:00 ET
Posted by: suedave, fish and chips
Thanks Alan for posting that link to the Aussie radio station - I just caught the interview - short and sweet! Donald said that while last year they did mostly hits because they were traveling with McMike, this tour will be hits plus deep album cuts!!!! I guess this IS the year to stake your seat at as many shows as possible, and get some traveling under your belt at the same time. Steely Dan as a reason to go adventuring? Is there gas in the car?
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 22:54:36 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong
Hey Richard from Bristol, I was caught by your reference to the 2nd Arrangement:
'The Second Arrangement was recut with Gadd rather than Ed Greene and didn't sound the same.'
I'm curious to know where the information on the players for tracks from the Gaucho sessions comes from. Is there anything authoritative ? Any links ?
Cheers
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 22:17:02 ET
Posted by: hey michael j fox, get it right at least
the kid's got the eye
call it pirate radar
scoping out the room
for some trend
but there's nobody new
so she zeroes in on you
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 21:57:54 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Huggyville
Hey gang,
I got my ticket for the 5/25 show in Philly/Upper Darby this afternoon and the csr @ TM said there were only 5 left. I'm sure some will pop up between now and then but that's still a good sign. Can't wait...
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 21:39:55 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweeter home bonalbo
Bullgoose here.
Virtue (and longevity) Rewarded.
Inasmuch as I had retired incommunicado to Rancho Bullgooso mustering cattle and to wind back down from witnessing Bela Fleck and The Flecktones 'going for the doctor', big big style and also Larry Carlton with Robben Ford, all at the East Coast Blues and Roots Festival, Byron Bay, I missed the spectacular announcement of a SD tour to Australia. Imagine the jolt I got when I logged on this morning. Family Bullgoose is in an uproar! One of the gigs is as near as dammnit to Muswellbrook.
Thank you, Mer, for your concern. I have 10 long days to wait before bookings open.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 19:26:38 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Hey CJ--no plans yet, But Im all ears!
Hoops, do we have a "branch" in Toledo??
Who'll do the danfest?
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 16:36:45 ET
Posted by: cj, jive town
listening to my local radio station play there featured artist, Steely Dan all day has just made up my mind for me to travel to the Toledo show. Anybody from the Chicago area planning on going east? Hoops, Hey Mike, Expanding Man, Kid Clean ???
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 16:26:17 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
hello danfans, thought you might like to know there are some decent tix for 5.24 at the tower in philly just popped up
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 15:54:03 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Orlando, once a prime spot for the '07 tour, and now just another destination
Can someone sort of summarize up for me the latest dirt on WB's new CD? Like, um, when is it going to be released? I mean, think it'll be right before this tour starts so he can use it as a platform to sell a few? Or is he thinking he'll get more accolades if its a posthumous deal?
I mean, sheesz!
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 15:46:01 ET
Posted by: huh,
isn't it trend?
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 15:16:57 ET
Posted by: Michael J. Fox, Doing Movie Lines
" . . . call it pirate radar, searching the room for some trim"
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 15:14:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at working raining cats and dogs
The Royal Scam / Bad Sneakers / Aja (Instrumental overture) from the 93 tour is my favorite of all time. Followed by the infamous handshake. We were lucky to have seats in about the 10th row on the floor of the Hartford Civic Center for the only show we saw that year. It brought tears to my eyes. Since I missed the 94 tour (pre internet for me) - they only got as close as Boston that year and of course the local radio stations didn't advertise it, that was only time I'd heard Aja live in any form until the last tour.
And although I am sure I am among the minority here, I still find the 1993 band my favorite in terms of the way they sounded live. Maybe it was the newness of it - the current band has played some of these songs a lot - over and over again - I'm not sure, but that’s just my opinion.
May is coming up fast and so are some of the shows I'll be going to. I just realized I have to give up a big BMX race to go to the former Oakdale show - bummer. You have to have your priorities straight I guess.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 13:43:38 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
RJ
Yes asking to borrow your drums is a bit cheeky - perhaps there should have been a credit "Drum kit provided by Jeff Porcaro"
Taking the mickey means having fun at in this case themselves - bit of satire - a bit like SNL I would imagine
Hope that helps
Richard
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 13:22:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, third coast
Part of "The Royal Scam" opened shows in 1993. It was the very first part of an instrumental overture with Drew Zingg's guitar very prominently placed. I missed the very beginning of the tour kick-off show in Detroit that year as I forgot to account for the time change as part of my travel plans. But a couple of nights later in Chicago, I caught the opening and those opening chords of "The Royal Scam" brought tears to my eyes.
In 2000, "The Royal Scam" was sort of an opener for the second set. It was commonly the first song played with Walter and Donald rejoining the Orchestra after they warmed up the second set with "Hank's Pad" in the US.
Regarding Bobbo's remarks about "Hoops' Political Hamper," I've repeated this countless times through the six years of the Blue and feel a bit maligned by those comments because that's not what I've said and it certainly doesn't reflect my intent. It's not a black and white concern.
Anything goes here so far as it furthers understanding and appreciation of Steely Dan.
Steely Dan has always been politically subversive. Their subversive approach has always projected a certain universality and transcendence with regards to the issues that become political. More recently, it seems to me both Becker and Fagen are more overt and specific in their position on issues and, as such, it follows with regards to politics.
Framed within that context, it is not only OK but in fact essential that there be such discussion. And like it or not, Donald and Walter's overall political views tend to more closely allign themselves with what are "liberal" views, although I tend to believe they are open-minded enough in their views such that they defy stereotypical clasifications.
Where there are problems is when people actually move out of that context into full fledged political discussion that cannot possibly be effective or be resolved within the context of a Steely Dan forum. Some of you take on issues that are a few steps too removed from Steely Dan and argue them post after post after post. It becomes not about getting a better understanding and appreciation of Steely Dan and more about determining who is "right." Often the issues aren't resolvable--or at least there is one of two who won't be satisfied unless things are resolved so they are "right." So instead of speaking one's peace on an issue, maybe with a second rebuttal, the result is a compulsive, endless exchange with the poster thinking, "well this NEXT post will be the one to settle it." Repeat over and over again.
The by product of this discussion is that people who actually want to speak about Steely Dan get drowned out in a sea of political discussion that is far removed from the primary reason of BlueBook's existence. There are other Steely Dan forums where this is acceptable but the BlueBook was in fact started in response to this. I believe, after a certain point, the it diverts attention from our primary focus of Steely Dan.
That's the sort of political discussion I deplore here--because it is very unhealthy for the Danfan community here.
Finally don't imply I avoid politics. I'm very active politically, but I also realize that I can be much more effective in supporting my causes by placing my energies in contexts that will more effectively yield results. Almost always that context for effectiveness is not a Steely Dan forum. Do you people who carry on with political tirades actually do other work in support of your views outside of forums like the Blue? Maybe you do and maybe you don't...just wondering. For example, I am very involved in issues related to architectural preservation. In the past couple of weeks, I've written four letters to the press and I've distributed leaflets for two afternoons. (The biggest benefit of leafleting is the media attention it garners because the simple fact someone is leafleting about the issue leverages the comparatively few people I am able to reach with leaflets.) I mention this simply to demonstrate this is just not a lot of talk on my part. Sorry, but I don't think barking constantly in a Steely Dan fan forum is all that effective in helping teh majority of causes expoused here.
So my points are that some politically-tinged discussion is very necessary in a forum such as this one, so long as it is framed with the context of forum's reason for existence. Outside of this context, it becomes a distraction and diminishes the BlueBook. Furthermore, if you are truly passionate about certain political causes, your energies can be much more effective put to use outside of this forum than inside of it.
Finally, I think the Kurt Vonnegut comments have largely been very germaine to this forum, enhancing our appreciation and understanding of Steely Dan. Thanks for those!
Jim
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 13:16:44 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Richard,
Yes I see your point but I also thought it was strange/rude that they were using his drums as well. Anyway, what was does the "taking the mickey out of themselves" expression mean?
Thanks.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 13:10:30 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, So It Goes
Lurker, I don't hate GWB but I am bitterly disappointed you see because I voted for him in 2000.
Maybe you'll like this Kurt Vonnegut quote:
You know we've had to imagine the war here, and we have imagined that it was being fought by aging men like ourselves. We had forgotten that wars were fought by babies. When I saw those freshly shaved faces, it was a shock "My God, my God—" I said to myself. "It's the Children's Crusade.”
And here's your obligatory reference to "the boys":
Paranoia blooms when a thuggish cult gains control of the government.
Soory Hoops, no more posts from me on this stuff.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 12:48:53 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Royal Scam Live 2000 in San Diego..SD Archives
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 12:15:58 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
RJ Squirrel
About your response to the Porcaro post - I think you'll find that JP was pretty sanguine about the Royal Scam - I understand it is just part of life for all session musicians.
The whole article included comments from most of the greats including Vinnie, Rick Marotta, Jim Keltner, Hal Blaine etc.
I am sure this sort of thing happens and I think with Steely Dan, the knowledge that they were going to have three or four bands trying all the songs only inspired the players to do their best - remember Jeff Porcaro et al sweating blood on Gaucho - after all the credit was important.
The Second Arrangement was recut with Gadd rather than Ed Greene and didn't sound the same.
Indeed Purdie overdubbed his drums on Scam, presumably over the work of other drummers. Didn't they try and avoid Purdie for AJA and try everyone else but in the end had to get him in because he was so good for a couple of things.
I think Don and Walt have always been complimentary about the guys they have used and used them continually - Porcaro is all over The Nightfly as are other SD vets.
I think Plush Jazz thing was just them taking the mickey out of themselves - after all they are renown for being hard task masters.
And in the end its their records and they are paying the bills so they can do what they like really I suppose.
A thought or two in there and I for one would love to hear all those 'other band' recordings just to see if I could hear the difference!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Richard
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 12:02:41 ET
Posted by: The News,
George W. Bush is a mass murderer. Period.
Godspeed Mr. Kurt. - So it goes.
“When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in a bad condition in that particular moment, but that same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is 'So it goes.'”
-- from Vonnegut's 'Slaughterhouse-Five,' 1969
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 11:15:31 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
I've been listening a lot to Centurys End lately, realizing how great a track it is. It's got that (a little too) mechanical beat you also find on Dons version of "Big Noise, New York", but it's has some really great chord changes, great subtle chorus and horns, and a well fitted solo. Guess I just really like the overall mood of that song.
"It's the dance, it's the dress
She's a concept more or less"
Video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKNMaArursQ
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 11:05:22 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Boston Rag was the opener i 00' - at least in EU. And a great one too.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 10:52:41 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Oh, he said a lot of other funnier things about George W. in recent years and you can find them through his website - www.Vonnegut.com
Too weird, I did a lot of surfing of his stuff just last week for the first time in years. The SD/Vonnegut connection seems like a natural and strong one, especially with a 70s backdrop.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 10:10:05 ET
Posted by: BlueBookLurker,
a 60 year career and all this mope can come up with is a few recent musings ripping on the administration. that's tunnel vision my friend with no reference to our boys what-so-ever to boot. just waking up another day hating GWB, who needs it?
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 10:08:21 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Royal Scam is not on the AIA track listing according to this:
www.amazon.com/Alive-America-Steely-Dan/dp/B000002L42
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 09:58:53 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
CJ
The Royal Scam in concert ??
Try "Alive in America"
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 09:44:47 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Hoops' Political Hamper
Aw NO, dude.
Okay, as I was about to rebuke RJ for "missing" the sardonic, beatnik-on-Vicodin, "Vonnegutesque" quality of Don and Walt's antics on the Plush Jazz set...
Something caught me that was a tad offkilter: Lurker, dude, you're totally "missing" the sardonic, progressive-on-caffeine, "Thompsonesque" quality of RJ's post.
You fellas better put this together, right now, okay? And, y'know, we'll all watch and learn and enjoy. And listen, now: politics is a really fun and enlightening topic for ME, y'understand, but ol' Hoops, he don't like it. He's told me PERSONALLY, the subject in its entirety is both boring and nappy-headed; and he has expounded, in public (to me, anyway), that no amount of Ice 9 will cure those "No Politics Please" woes that he suffers when you two go on this way.
Find an island, and FIX THIS THING, and come back and tell us about it, huh? And we'll all make a cradle for the cat to be in, together, howabout? Anyway, just kiddin'...right?
RIP
"Father" Kurt
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 09:25:14 ET
Posted by: bobbo, somewhere in time
Hmmm...
"Royal Scam" was, like...was it the opener in '00...or '03? This would've been Dallas, but I can't deliniate between the two at this time, fellas. Which was it? No, they opened with "Boston Rag" in '00, and wasn't it "Aja" in '03? But I'm pretty sure it was done in '03.
It was "Deacon Blues" that just KILLED in Dallas in 2000, and "...Scam" that KILLED in Dallas in '03. Yes, I think that's right. Quite brilliantly pulled off, by the bye; a pair of true-to-life Full Ensemble Masterpiece performances. Yes, sir.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 08:25:34 ET
Posted by: BlueBookLurker,
RJ..it has become laughable how every news event has something to do with the President or Vice President. You liberals are so obsessed with hate you cant see straight.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 08:13:24 ET
Posted by: cj, chi
For those people in Chicago area 97.1 the drive featured artist today is steely dan. Also does anybody know if the dan has ever played the Royal Scam the song live and if they did how did it sound.
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 07:23:32 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, This and that
Various...
Rest in peace Kurt Vonnegut. If you haven’t read his writings on the current political state of affairs (ex.: “upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography"), check them out. As a WWII veteran he knew first-hand about war unlike all the damn chicken hawks running around today.
A grand piano would be a great addition to the tour. The depth and timbre it adds to the Plush-Jazz is just amazing. And the horn arrangement added to Green Earrings takes that song to a new level. When you listen to the original now it sounds a little empty and slow.
That post earlier about Porcaro is troubling. When DF and WB are together do they automatically adopt the SD persona? Are they Mr. SD in those disturbing between-song song clips on the Plush-Jazz? I feel sick watching those, especially when they ask Pete Fogel about how all the musicians they don’t use anymore feel about them. What was the point of that? They could have been gracious about it but instead just left it hanging as if it was beneath their concern. Are they raging dickheads or what? How can you revere musicians from the 50’s and yet appear to treat contemporaries like shit? In fairness, they are gracious when introducing band members and had high praise for Michael McD last go-round. Anybody understand this behavior?
The trees are blooming yet we are confined to the indoors here on the cold and wet East coast. This is a cruel spring so far...
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 05:50:32 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Good stuff, Richard!
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 02:58:38 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
JULY 27th LUCERNE SWITZERLAND
08pm RICKY LEE JONES
10pm STEELY DAN
JULY 28th LUCCA ITALIA
PIAZZA NAPOLEONE
Distance between Lucerne and Lucca: only 325 miles.
So let's go for it
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 02:17:57 ET
Posted by: SteveV an, Singapura lah-Orchard Road
re- Steely Singapore gig....I have been searching to find a listing for a concert promoter here, but can't seem to find one, logistically Singapore would be a great place to end the tour.....as they travel back to NY.....they could get loaded on Singapore slings and settle in a short lil 17 hour flight to NY. heh heh.....
....once travelled from San Fran to Singapore with 18 month old son int toe....not recommended....once travelled by bus from Ohio to upstate NY (both ways) not recommended....but I digress....
if Steely Dan came to Singapore it would be a big story...and folks from Bangkok, KL and Jakarta.......and Borneo....could all trudge down and have a once in a lifetime blast....maybe Warner Singapore can look into it....are the boys still signed to Warner????
Hey Richard- thanks for that Jeff Porcaro anecdote....I think he had good reason to feel miffed, but I think one reason he got phased out was the fear that ABC Records would put pressure on Fagen/Becker to go out on tour again if any remaining 1974 members were stil around....but having said that the song style for 'Scam fit Purdie perfectly in much the way Katy Lied fir Porcaro......Scam is friggin awesome set.....and I think is a funk-pop classic.....lyrics are awesome...horn arrangement fake jazz classics.....guitar is mindblowing.....bass...too cool...keyboards....Victor Feldman perfect...I could go on ....but I digress....
Date: Thurs, April 12, 2007, 01:56:32 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
For those Aussie lurkers out there and anyone else interested, Sydney radio station 101.7 FM will be interviewing Donald Fagen sometime between noon and 3 pm AEST tomorrow 12/4.
You can listen to this on the radio or via the web at
http://www.wsfm.com.au/
( noon AEST = 10 pm US Eastern Time Thursday )
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 23:58:31 ET
Posted by: suedave, Left coast
Don't know if you know but got a note that Rickie Lee Jones will perform "Falling Up" on The Tonight Show on NBC tonight.
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 19:12:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
In the past, I've attended maybe ten to a dozen shows per tour and, although they've had mostly the same set, each time is worth it. It's the same reason I keep listening to and buying these same studio albums again. I keep hearing new things. And if anything, since they do play a similar show each night it shows how much Danfans want to keep coming back. I guess if once is enough then only go once.
Regarding those who want Singapore, keep in mind also that while travel plans may make it look like it would work, there are also factors related to promoters. That can throw a monkey wrench into things.
Gotta run.
Jim
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:57:26 ET
Posted by: NYNY, again
sorry about the double post, i guess the refresh button isn't the only key I'm leaning on hehe
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:55:20 ET
Posted by: What a Kill joy, NY NY
in 2003 I saw 3 different shows and each audience yelled just as loud when they played a song they played the night before. Maybe a small handfull in each audience were disappointed but thousands seemed pretty happy to me. Were these people really idiots? Were they cheated or did not get a great show for their money? Come on. I just don't see how you can hope that a tour should be tailored to a small fraction. Yeah "but we're the TRUE fans" I've heard that one too but that egomania is pretty lame. This time I'll see 3 NY shows (with GF, buds, and Dad) and if I hear the same songs I won't care. For a few thousand NYkers who hate Jones Beach changes in the set list is the last thing on our minds . imho
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:45:59 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Jul 27 - Blue Balls Jazz Festival - Lucerne Switzerland | tickets < ADDED
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:44:20 ET
Posted by: What a Killjoy, NY NY
I'm going one night with my GF, a second with my work buds. Now I can try for June 13 with Dad. If I see the same show all 3 nights I won't care. this isn't the Dead you know - it's a damn music show, they put on the show with a real m-f-ing music playing band and now the few million in the NYC metro area have a chance to enjoy SD in a small house, maybe even more than one show, and all without making the deathtrip to jones beach or jersey. I can maybe understand how some of you who see them dozens of times might care but to a few hundred thousand NYker I would bet that changes in the set list is the last thing on their minds .
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:43:31 ET
Posted by: Sledge, ca
update april 11 > nyc + lucerne DATES ADDED
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 18:24:59 ET
Posted by: Fans, watch out!
Leaning - Great news, but the Allman's play a different set every night.
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 17:51:21 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
The box review says that the versions Confide in me and Big noise NY are demos.Are these indeed differant or the released versions we already have????????
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 17:43:41 ET
Posted by: leaning on the Refresh button, NY NY
a 5th Beacon show just added on sd.com -- June 13. on sale next monday but nothing on ticketbastard yet. Allman Bros watch out!
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 16:01:14 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mount belzoni
as anticipation starts to build here is my wish list for the upcoming tour
-songs outta nowhere- doctor wu, boston rag, pixaleeen, almost gothic, century's end, dont take me alive, fire in the hole, glamour profession
song i hope not to hear- peg(ever again)
encore i might jump off the balcony if they reprise it for the 3rd straight tour-
fm
my old school
as an asidei ive tried and tried with 11 tracks but i actually think it sucks!
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 11:58:20 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Just thought I'd post this from Modern Drummer in April 1992 - it ia part of an interview with Jeff Procaro (and others) about being replaced - its pretty amusing and a reminder that Donny and Wally have worked with some of the greats.
"Yeah, here we go," Porcaro says, taking a deep breath. "I was with Steely Dan.
I had done two tracks with them on the Pretzel Logic album, I had toured with them for a year and a half, and when we got off the road we did the Katy Lied album, on which I played all the tracks but one.
I was really proud of my playing on that album, and I couldn't wait for the next one.
"Walter Becker called me one day and told me they were doing demos for the next album, and asked if he could borrow a set of my drums so that he could work out some ideas at home.
So I got all excited because I figured that in a few weeks I'd be in the studio doing the next Steely Dan record. A few weeks went by and I didn't hear a word from anybody.
"Then a friend of mine told me that Steely Dan was in the studio doing an album.
I was like, 'WHAT?!' So I called the producer and, sure enough, they were recording The Royal Scam with Bernard Purdie. And they were using my drums and cymbals," Jeff adds, laughing at the irony, or audacity, of the situation.
Porcaro admits that his feelings were hurt. "It wasn't because they hired Purdie," he explains. "I just figured that they wanted a better guy, and even when I did the Katy Lied album with them, on the tune 'Black Friday' I was the one who walked out of the studio telling them I was no good at playing shuffles and they should get a 'real guy,' which was how I always put it.
They used to laugh at me for saying that, but I was only 20 years old and insecure about my drumming.
"I was just hurt ego-wise because of my infatuation with that particular band. I thought the two writers were gods. But I didn't make a stink about it.
I might have been bent out of shape if it had been someone other than Purdie and I thought it wasn't grooving.
But as it turned out, I probably learned more from what Bernard Purdie played on that album with that rhythm section than I've learned from any other drummer on any album. So I now consider myself fortunate that they didn't want me to play on that record.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 11:14:29 ET
Posted by: Fwd'd from CarolynLeonhart.com, DC
last minute news---
Today Wednesday, April 11 at 12:30 pm (ET) on MSNBC's TV show "The Most" with ALlison Stewart, Carolyn Leonhart will be interviewed to elaborate on the word "pitchy" and it's use on American Idol.
You'll laugh, and maybe you'll cry...
It'll be fun for the whole family...
So, drop whatever you're doing and run run run to your nearest TV!
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 06:47:46 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Whilst I don't have many of the extras on the box set and it will be nice to get them at last - I would have thought there was an opportunity to get the DF Band recorded for posterity.
In terms of box sets the best one for me is the Pet Sounds Set from a few years ago. The four disc were
1. The complete album in stereo (previously only in mono)
2. The stereo backing tracks (an absolute revelation particularly Sloop John B)
3. Vocals only in stereo (the Beach Boys - nuff said)
4. The alternative Pet Sounds (the album in outakes)
There was also a bonus disc of the original mono album remastered pls some hidden tracks.
It really is a lesson in how to 'investigate' a classic album in depth
I think The Nightfly would deserve such a treatment or indeed AJA.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, April 11, 2007, 03:44:53 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Mark & Marie--
Thanks for being so generous to make your tickets available here to us other Danloyalists! Posting here is fine and very welcome--the only catch is that because this place is like an ongoing conversation, your item might get lost in eventual passing.
A more effective place from your vantage is the Dandom Digest. Unless it's within a day or two of the show, I've found everyone always gets their tickets sold if they email their offer to digest AT dandom DOT com Part of that has to do with the fact your ad runs until the ticket is sold. We've been exchanging tickets there since 1993. There are also some other fine Danfan locations on the web to offer tickets. Thanks again.
Sorry about the return of spam. Basically, I rename the posting page when the 'bots (automated spam posters) track that page's URL down. Often I base it on a random line of SD lyrics, swapping out certain digits for certain vowels. The name for the current posting page has had particular high longevity for reasons I can't determine. However, it's been "found" so I will have to change it. I will take care of that later on today. In the mean time, thanks for your patience.
Jim
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 23:30:26 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New Jersey
Hi! - sorry if this is inapproriate post, but we have a pair of center Orchestras at the Beacon for June 11 that we can't use and will make available below face. Email us if anyone is interested.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 20:34:49 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
As I read it, the bonus tracks are all in 5.1 surround sound. For me, that's significant. That means True Companion, Century's End, Shanghai Confidential, etc. available for the first time in that format.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 18:09:21 ET
Posted by: Gary, Bonus Tracks
I, too, am disappointed w/ the bonus stuff. I was really hoping Fagen would pull-out all the stops. I already have all the bonus material, except the new "Official" versions of Hank's Pad & Viva RnR. I wonder if Blue Lou is Fagen's version?? That'd be nice! Anyway, here was my wish list:
Love will make it right (Fagen's version)
Bright Lights, Big City (I thought this would finally be released!)
Lazy Nina (Fagen's version)
Mis'ry and the Blues (Live 2006)
Here at the Western World (Live 2006)
Orchids and the Summer Rain (w/ Daniel Jobim)
Shades (Fagen's version)
The Finer Things (Fagen's version)
His stuff from that independent film:
The Squash Lesson
Simone
His stuff w/ Hirth Martinez:
The girl who dreams out loud
Islands in the blue
Do-wrong shoes
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 18:03:42 ET
Posted by: mcarf, wellintone
Coming to NZ this September. Would've flown to Australia anyway, but thanks to whomever's responsible for saving me a few, sweet. Choysa tea bags mate. Happy, delirious, elated, glad. As.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 17:40:37 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, i like the neon, i love the music
It appears that these MVI DVDs differ from conventional DVDs in that they contain "digital music files ... compatible with all MP3 devices," i.e. you can rip them. But I agree it's unfortunate that these are not conventional CDs. I suspect these digital files are info lossy. You can probably use iTunes to write them to CD, but they may not sound as good. Certainly, you can't rip the hi-res audio, at least not without violating DMCA.
That said, the boxed set contains a few things not on the DVD-As or CD singles. I'll probably cough up the cash, completist that I am. :)
lovethisgig
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 15:18:12 ET
Posted by: st-fan, NJ
I don't have use for anything not on CD. My car doesn't play DVD's, and I-tunes doesn't rip them. And the video content appears to be the same as the DVD-As, which I already own. There's no reason for me to drop $60 on this.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 13:53:35 ET
Posted by: Spawn of Ages,
Uh... in case you haven't noticed, SD recieves some of the WORST MARKETING ADVICE IN THE BUSINESS! One would think they could do it themselves and reap a greater return no?
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 12:05:11 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
Agreed Richard! I just think it is very lackluster. Why not more live tracks from the Fagen Tour?!!!!! That is why I really love "Not Lame Recordings" products. That Jellyfish Box set is ALL DEMOS & LIVE Tracks! 4 CD's worth!
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 11:54:41 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Thanks Steely Doc
Now I am confused - why a Steely Dan Live 2000 track on a Donald Fagen Boxed Set - why not Misery and The Blues?????????????
And if they recorded the DF shows why not a whole the whole set
Richard
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 11:41:04 ET
Posted by: Nappy Headed Ho',
W'sup! Any B-Ball playa's in the house?
Fro' down the jam and raise up the rap, just don't be playin' with THE NAP!
Ovah!
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 11:22:03 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Is anyone else but me bummed out with the "bonus" content of the upcoming Fagen Box Set? I mean I have just about everything that is 'bonus' material. And for 60 bucks? What really bugs me is that we now know that they were taping Fagen shows last spring and all we get is one cut?!! Boo. I take an entire 'live' set rather than this lackluster bonus material. This is sad, because Rhino Handmade usually has some really nice sets & packages. I still think a little company called, "Not Lame Recordings" is doing box sets RIGHT.
That is why the Jellyfish, "Fan Club" Box set still commands $300 on ebay. "Sinatra Live in Vegas" is by far the best big label box set I have seen in years.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 10:59:34 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Oh dear, this could screw up the London gig a bit, either by taking away the potential audience or creating traffic/accommodation chaos:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6540277.stm
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 10:30:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...Richard, "Hank's Pad" is a Henry Mancini tune...it was the first song played during the second set of the 2000 tour...
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 09:41:27 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Now this box set
MTC Bonus Audio:
1. "Rhymes"
2. "Hank's Pad" (Live)*
3. "Viva Rock And Roll"*
We know what Rhymes is and I presume VRnR is from DF's tour but what is Hank's Pad or have I missed something???
Help requested.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 09:36:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hoops
Is it possible to air it on RFD ?
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 09:25:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoopsie - I did not know any of that. An alarming gap in my Steely Dan knowledge, now I gotta find that thing...
Very gratified to hear Donald's comment on the breadth of the setlist offerings to be yielded up on this next go-around. And it won't take much to placate the die-hards, just a tweek or two would be most appreciated.
So it's officially a World Tour. Whodda thunk it?
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 01:29:16 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
thanks for bringing that one back to memory Hoops, have to dig it out now.
some stellar Jeff Porcaro drumming as well on this.
Date: Tues, April 10, 2007, 00:52:34 ET
Posted by: SteveV, waiting in Singapore
Hoops = thanx for that tidbit of info....will have to track that down... I love all of the 'Dan's jazz related projects...the Woody Herman stuff is righteous, and Apogee is a solid album.....
re-Glengarry
-one of my favourite films of all time.....Fagen would actually have been a cool character to add to that cast!
"put the coffee down....coffee is for closers!)
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 21:59:04 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
Thanks to Hoops as well for the review
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 21:55:58 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
thanks to Connie and Blue Lou info!
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 21:45:41 ET
Posted by: Lee, nj
Ann,
Thanks for the video but I fell a sleep after the first two minutes.
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 20:41:12 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - being distracted in the work place again
.......and just as a little taster to tempt our boys to make a quick stop-off on their way down from Japan to Australia, here's a You-tube video of the BBC's holiday programme of Brunei when they filmed here last November. It might tempt a few others of you too! I beamed with pride when I saw it and despite some frustrations, I'm pleased to call this place "home"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xvApwmbmdo
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 18:54:38 ET
Posted by: hoops,
"Blue Lou" is from "Music From and Inspired by the Motion Picture 'Glengarry Glen Ross' " It is definitely one of my top ten favorite albums and in my top two or three favorite jazz albums. It's a desert island disc.
The whole album is sublime. "Blue Lou" is an instrumental written by Donald although he does not perform on it (at least he's not credited.) Joe Roccisano Orchestra is creditted but it is Lou Marini who leads on this. The track starts out very soft and is a slow sexy build to an incredible climax. It's amazing.
The rest of the album is incredible too. This contains my favorite performance by Al Jarreau--an ironic, frantic version of "Blue Skies" backed by Peter Erskine and Bob Shepard--happens to be my favorite performances by those two as well. Then there is my favorite David Sanborn performance, his rendition of "Day Dream" and then there is the edgy Wayne Shorter stuff, plus incredible stuff by Take 6, Shirley Horn, Little Jimmy Scott, Dr. John, etc. Just incredible! Sadly, this CD been out of "print" in the US for at least ten years. It's a travesty and a tragedy. You can get it used for less than a buck on Amazon.com but this CD is priceless in my book.
Back in the mid- to late-90s it started showing up in cut-out bins for $2-$5 and I started rescuing copies and giving them away as prizes here.
By the way, did I mention I really like this CD?
Jim
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 18:51:19 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Blue Lou is on the soundtrack of Glengarry Glen Ross.
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 18:46:47 ET
Posted by: Blue Lou Info, .
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/soundtrack
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 18:34:08 ET
Posted by: bikemann, nj
Can someone tell me where Blue Lou is from? I see it listed in the new Fagan Box. Thanks
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 17:02:05 ET
Posted by: B Fan, .
Boston Rag,
Thanks. They should have spelled "revue" correctly.
Something unrelated.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/kelly_dwyer/04/27/champs.chumps/1.html
Either Fagen's senior will is being plagiarized at the very end of this article, or it's an uncanny similar choice of words.
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 16:56:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Thanks Fife! Finally!
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 16:33:57 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
B Fan – I think they are referring to a Rock & Soul Revue show/tour that Todd Rundgren and Donald were trying to whip together. As you know, the tour was scrapped. Todd produced “Rhymes”.
Fife – Good find on the Trilogy details!
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 16:03:37 ET
Posted by: angel,
His Mom died the day before his birthday. How sad it that. :-(
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 15:56:08 ET
Posted by: B Fan, .
"Rhymes" (an Al Green song originally intended to promote a review that never came off)
What does that mean?
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 15:02:58 ET
Posted by: Sledge,
DF.com lists Boxed set
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 14:35:36 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
4/9/2007
MVI (Music Video Interactive) boxed set
LOS ANGELES - Donald Fagen and Walter Becker - AKA Steely Dan - carved out a unique space in popular music scoring hits with tightly arranged songs that combined literate, ironic lyrics, their own eccentric musical idiom and sophisticated production. As a solo artist, Fagen recorded a trio of peerless albums spread out over 25 years including The Nightfly, Kamakiriad (both Grammy-nominated for Album of the Year) and Morph The Cat, which earned a 2006 Grammy for Best Surround Sound. Rhino presents all three in a special MVI (Music Video Interactive) boxed set that includes each as a DTS 5.1, Dolby 5.1 and PCM Stereo mix along with bonus audio and video. Each disc will also feature the UrTone application, which is a brand-new technology that allows customers to select any track or any portion of a track they want as their ringtone by using a simple drag bar. THE NIGHTFLY TRILOGY will be available June 5 at regular retail outlets and www.rhino.com for a suggested price of $59.98.
The MVI (Music Video Interactive) disc is a DVD loaded with exciting new features. Superior sound quality plus a wide range of video and interactive content combine to bring you closer to the artists and their music. It plays in all standard DVD players, computers and game consoles with DVD drives. Digital music files are compatible with all MP3 devices.
The boxed set takes its name from Fagen's 1982 solo debut. A note from the original The Nightfly album sleeve explains the concept: "The songs on this album represent certain fantasies that might have been entertained by a young man growing up in the remote suburbs of a northeastern city during the late fifties and early sixties, i.e., one of my general height, weight and build."
The MVI album contains all eight original album cuts including the hit "I.G.Y.," "New Frontier" and the title track, a collective portrait of the late-night radio personalities Fagen grew up listening to. The bonus material features "Century's End," a song composed for the film Bright Lights Big City, "True Companion," which was written for the animated movie Heavy Metal, plus a live version of The Nightfly song "Green Flower Street", originally released on Fagen's Live at the Beacon: The NY Rock & Soul Revue. The disc also contains videos for "New Frontier" and "Century's End."
Explaining the 11-year gap between The Nightfly and its follow-up Kamakiriad, Fagen writes in the boxed set's liner notes: "During the final mix down of [The Nightfly], I started to feel kind of funny, and that feeling turned into an even weirder feeling that had to do with work and love and the past and mortality and so forth. I wouldn't complete another CD until 1993. So I'm glad I made The Nightfly before a lot of the kid-ness was beat the hell out of me, as happens to us all."
His second solo effort, Kamakiriad, centers around a journey in a futuristic car, a Kamakiri Steam Power 10. Produced by Walter Becker, the MVI album contains all eight original songs including the album opener, "Trans-Island Skyway", "Snowbound" (co-written with Becker) and the single "Tomorrow's Girls." The bonus tracks include the instrumentals "Shanghai Confidential" and "Blue Lou", a composition written for tenor man Lou Marini. Also included are demo versions of "Confide In Me" and "Big Noise New York", a song originally written for Spike Lee. The bonus videos feature "Tomorrow's Girls" and "Snowbound" as well as a behind-the-scenes documentary.
Winner of the Grammy for Best Surround Sound, Morph The Cat was released in 2006. In the boxed set's liner notes, Fagen writes about the album's origins: "September 10, 2001: My mother turned 76. September 11, 2001: You know about that one. January 9, 2003: My mother died of Alzheimer's disease. January 10, 2003: I turned 55. All these numbers somehow add up to this album, the last in this series." The album's original nine songs are presented on the MVI album featuring the title track, "Brite Nitegown" and "Security Joan," a song about a romance sparked when the narrator is wanded during a tedious airport security check by an enchanting female officer. The bonus tracks include previously unreleased live versions of "Hank's Pad" and "Viva Rock And Roll" along with "Rhymes" (an Al Green song originally intended to promote a review that never came off) and an interview originally aired on NPR's World Cafe program.
Taken together, the three albums present a rich and wry musical portrait of a the artist and his times.
For additional information regarding THE NIGHTFLY TRILOGY, please contact Lellie Capwell in Rhino Records' Media Relations Department at 818-238-6246 or Lellie.Capwell@rhino.com.
THE NIGHTFLY
Track Listing
1. "I.G.Y."
2. "Green Flower Street"
3. "Ruby Baby"
4. "Maxine"
5. "New Frontier"
6. "The Nightfly"
7. "The Goodbye Look"
8. "Walk Between Raindrops"
Bonus Audio:
1. "True Companion"
2. "Green Flower Street" (Live)
3. "Century's End"
Bonus Video:
1. "New Frontier"
2. "Century's End"
KAMAKIRIAD
Track Listing
1. "Trans-Island Skyway"
2. "Countermoon"
3. "Springtime"
4. "Snowbound"
5. "Tomorrow's Girls"
6. "Florida Room"
7. "On The Dunes"
8. "Teahouse On The Tracks"
Bonus Audio:
1. "Big Noise New York"
2. "Confide In Me"
3. "Blue Lou"
4. "Shanghai Confidential"
5. Dean Seay Interview/Reprise Promo (1993)
Bonus Video:
1. "Tomorrow's Girls"
2. "Snowbound"
3. Kamakiriad Behind The Scenes Documentary
MORPH THE CAT
Track Listing
1. "Morph The Cat"
2. "H Gang"
3. "What I Do"
4. "Brite Nitegown"
5. "The Great Pagoda Of Funn"
6. "Security Joan"
7. "The Night Belongs To Mona"
8. "Mary Shut The Garden Door"
9. "Morph The Cat" (Reprise)
Bonus Audio:
1. "Rhymes"
2. "Hank's Pad" (Live)*
3. "Viva Rock And Roll"*
4. World Cafe Interview
*Previously Unreleased
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 14:25:40 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
So now we get to hear about severed heads while on hold with a health care provider.
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 13:32:42 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, first unexpected MTC auditory experience
Heard: The Great Pagoda of Funn
Well....while waiting to unload on Blue Cross Blue Shield for sending what I consider to be an offensive subrogation claim notice for a simple sprained foot suffered in high school PE, I suddenly hear the unmistakable strains of TGPF.
Stop. Breathe. Ahhh that feels better.
At least they have good taste in Hold Music.
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 07:09:59 ET
Posted by: alan, Home at Last
Man I am enjoying this. Been doing some research into some of the venues the boys will play downunder and these wineries look great.
While exploring the Frequently asked Questions section I came across these few gems.
Q. Is there an area reserved for dancing.
A. Yes, there will be a clearly marked dancing only designated area at each venue. (umm cough cough.I think y'all know what I mean. lol)
Q. Are passouts available.
A. Yes of course.
Well it is a winery after all so I suppose some people are bound to pass out.
Q. Can I smoke at the Festival.
A. Yes you can, but please dispose of your cigarette, ah shit forget that one, wishful thinking about the what can I smoke part.
There are however 2 special guests listed to perform at the wineries as well. No mention of who they are but they are playing earlier in the afternoon and the boys are due on stage at 7.00 pm. Gates open at 3.00 pm so looks like it's a on site Danfest.
More FAQ
Q. What time will the gates close.
A. Gates will close at approx 10pm each night.
Hmmm here's hoping...
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 06:12:41 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo....being distracted in the work place!
Wow!! That's one cool parrot!
:-)
Date: Mon, April 09, 2007, 05:35:29 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
That parrot does a fair DF behind the Rhodes.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 23:57:33 ET
Posted by: well, it speaks volumes,
"Fagen says that when Steely Dan tour Australia for the first time, in September, the set list will skew to classics, deeper cuts and solo work".
Taking this sentence off the official site, feh? Fagen said what he meant and he meant what he said, probably to yank our cranks a little bit.
Translation: "Yeah, IF we do any deep cuts and solos it will be(literally)on the opposite side of the planet."
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 22:29:07 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Just curious...anyone here going to the first show in Memphis?
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 21:21:41 ET
Posted by: Aerial View, Maybe it's just me, but...
I think I'll wait at least until May 5 and probably even May 9 (the first gig with the Sam Yahel Organ Trio opening) and see how the set list plays out before I get my dander up. Until then I choose to remain cautiously hopeful and will repeatedly chant "Dooooooctoooooor Wuuuuuuuuu" three times a day in an effort to get a cosmic vibe goin'.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 20:52:01 ET
Posted by: fast and furious, sm
Furious---- as someone already noticed and posted a day or so ago, the line about doing solos cuts was REMOVED from the press release on the official site! sSo if somebody IS "listening" to us they're doing the opposite of what they hear.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 20:09:54 ET
Posted by: Furious White Man, on the street
WTF!
"Fagen says that when Steely Dan tour Australia for the first time, in September, the set list will skew to classics, deeper cuts and solo work".
Anybody notice this? The SD org. MUST be reading the Blue.
Happy for Australia, but WTF gives for those on the homefront?
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 16:51:48 ET
Posted by: alan, Sebel Pier One, Sydney Harbour AU
Anyone up for chat ?
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 16:32:51 ET
Posted by: DWB, ...
happy happy joy joy for SD to take it to Australia and New Zealand
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2018800776
see a parrot dancing to Josie :-)
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 12:47:40 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, toasting everyone with an Easter mimosa
Happy Easter and Passover, to all who observe......
HFFS!! An Australian tour!! Although I'd love to see our boys with the fans in Oz, I'm afraid I can do only one trip there this year for the event of the season in November. But good things DO come to those who wait!
Lucerne is shaping up to be my show of choice....SD, Rickie Lee and a chance to see the famed Lion statue, all at the same time.
So, anyone like to share their holiday menu? My selection for today, which should keep me quite busy:
Spinach and blood orange salad with toasted pine nuts and gorgonzola;
Seared scallops with shitake mushroom caps and champagne cream sauce;
Cornish game hens roasted with garlic, white bordeaux and french herbs;
Lemon asparagus risotto
Green room tonight, anyone?
G
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 12:22:45 ET
Posted by: Bruce, Down Under
And let's not forget AUSTRALIA'S NUMBER 1 DANFAN----
D A M I E N ! ! !
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 11:54:51 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Why would the Dan want to tour for 6 months? Am I the only one who's concerned for Mr. Fagen?
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 11:43:41 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...from SD.com, ticket links, etc. for the Australia and NZ shows:
http://www.frontiertouring.com.au/currenttours/Steely_Dan__Australia_amp;_New_Zealand
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 11:03:40 ET
Posted by: joni mitchell tribute, release april 24
... but NO Steely Dan.
http://www.amazon.com/Tribute-Joni-Mitchell-Various-Artists/dp/B000NJXCG2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-4662830-5387334?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1173104931&sr=8-2
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 09:50:58 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, hovering
Alan, honey, we got "lit" up last weekend and the phone line was the sacrificial lamb, so to speak. And the cell got lifted later that day (yes, I know, you've been there, done that one.)
For the present we will have to speak via the Green Room, like the good old bad old days!
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 08:21:23 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Concerning the "Blue Balls Jazz Festival" in Lucern-Switzerland.
Originally the Jeff Youngs website announced Steely Dan on this Festival on july 27.
I looked around on the BBJF website and saw that the program between july 20 and 28 is almost full.
Everynight the préshow begins at 8 pm and the headact at 10 pm.
AND LOOK WHAT I FOUND !!
On july 27th the preshow is programmed but as so far no headact.
JULY 27th : preshow 08 pm is RICKY LEE JONES
Forn the headact they are waiting to confirmate it.
But wouldn't that be great!! Ricky Lee Jones and Steely Dan on the same evening.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 08:09:02 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I just compared the first European tourlist on the Jeff Youngwebsite with the actual one on SD.com.
So i think they are going to add some more concerts on the European area: Vienna-Austria,Stockholm-Sweden, Luzern-Switzerland and Rotterdam-Holland.
So our friends in nthose countrys may have some hope to.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 07:56:18 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
The other day i was doing a little bit of wishfull thinking here on the Blue.
I said i was dreaming of a two set show with in the first leg "Walters and Donalds soloworks" and in the second one "the Steely dan tunes"
Well, refering me now on the recent press releases and on what is be saying here, it can be damned reality !!
But that means they are going to need two sets, that's very clear. Five months on tour on that rythm and with that volume of songs, isn't that too much for Donald ??
I looked the other on the website of "Forest National", the Belgium venue where they are going to play in july. The website anounce a break: that means a two set show!!
So my conclusion is: We have to take in consideration that fact that Steely Dan is going to have two different kind of shows this spring and summer.
A very typical and maybe more jazier one set show for the Jazzfestivals and other summerfests. And on the other hand a two sets show for the individual organised concerts that stands exclusevely on their own.
So concerning the American part of the worldtour, i really don't know how Steely Dan is going to make a compromise. Because in the USA, the fans will have a pre show with Sam Yahel too.
One thing is sure ! The Steely Dan fans all over the world are going to have a great opportunity to see their herous. Don't bother yourself with the question how long and what they are going to play but share a very good time with them.
You'll never know if it will be the last time! Maybe this world tour is a short of Farewelltour.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 07:43:20 ET
Posted by: ruslik,
how does it feel to be loved? - london club night playing indie pop, northern soul, tamla motown, girl groups, sixties heartbreak
http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl/
<a href=http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl>club night shampoo</a>
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 07:04:16 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
HEY BULLGOOSE!!!!!!!!!! Are you out there? Have you heard the news? Can you here me, doctor? SD in Australia- hope they're near your neck of the Dunes!
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 03:20:27 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
Yes Ann, my sentiments exactly.
If they're doing New Zealand, surely Singapore makes a lot of sense.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 01:24:33 ET
Posted by: alan, getting off the floor
ED et al
I only have one thing to say re the official announcement of Steely Dan's tour downunder.........
HFS !!!!!!!!
LWO, get off the phone.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 01:14:46 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE WEDDING DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF ANYONE OF INFLUENCE IS OUT THERE FROM THE STEELY DAN EMPIRE, FOR GOODNESS SAKES, YOU HAVE TO PASS ME ON THE WAY DOWN.....DROP IN FOR A COFFEE, FREE TOUR OF THE CITY THROWN IN, PLAY JERUDONG PARK AMPHITHEATRE (THERE'S A HIGHLY CONNECTED KID HERE WHO THINKS CARLOCK IS THE WORKS!!)...HELL...HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE WAITED FOR THIS ONE!!! AT LEAST CONSIDER SINGAPORE!!!!! 4 MILLION PEOPLE THERE, STARVED OF DECENT MUSIC!!
COME ON GUYS.....DON'T NEGLECT US POOR SOULS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 01:06:31 ET
Posted by: ruslik,
how does it feel to be loved? - london club night playing indie pop, northern soul, tamla motown, girl groups, sixties heartbreak
http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl/
<a href=http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl>club night shampoo</a>
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 01:04:09 ET
Posted by: Danfests R Us, on the Sydney Harbour
So, Alan and I have been having a nice weekend in Sydney, seeing Larry Carlton and Robben Ford at a club last night, but without access to the internet for the past 24 hours or so - but Alan made me bring my laptop with us. We just happen to log on from our lovely hotel room overlooking the harbour, not too far from the Sydney Entertainment Center, and navigate to SteelyDan.com. OMFG, there it is, the moment Alan has been waiting for, the AU/NZ Steely Dan tour!
What more could we want? Sorry, LWO, that it doesn't quite correspond with the wedding, but maybe we could work around that? Not sure we can manage that!
But we can start scoping out Danfest locations! The Hunter Valley should be a fantastic place for a show. The arenas in Sydney and Melbourne are fairly big (12,000+ seats????) - but in good locations. Don't know anything about the Canberra, but it is only a 2 1/2 drive for us........so we'll be there!
Alan doesn't have anyones phone number with him here in Sydney and he is dying to chat, but I am having trouble getting into the green room with my laptop settings.......but may be able to rectify that shortly. I'll try again.
Anyway, what can I say.........Wow.
Jeri and Alan
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 00:47:15 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Solo - How do we know that they'll be doing one set shows? I know that's been the trend during the last few shows this year, but those were also hastily rehersed ...
I hope to get two sets as I just shelled out 60 bucks (after fees) for cheap seats that feature a "limited view of the stage." But I'll take what I can get.
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 00:28:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
A couple editions of the Dandom Digest were mailed in the past 30 hours, one covering from March 24-April 6 and the other is an update dated April 7 (including Australian and NZ tour heads up).
If you are a subscriber, you should see both in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive them, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious (and much more glamorous) Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill.
Jim
Date: Sun, April 08, 2007, 00:03:06 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, World Tour
Holy Crap! This tour is stretching over 5 months! What's the longest tour the boys have ever done, 6 weeks? I hope Donald is drinking tea and honey for his pipes!
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 23:15:50 ET
Posted by: solo,
Daddy, that line about doing solo stuff has disappeared from the press release on sd.com. and that release was almost identical to the one for 06. So I bet the interviewer got that idea from the early press release which was recently corrected to remove that sentence, and asked about it and fagen was caught off guard. I don't see how with one set shows they'll be doing many if any solo things. just my 2c
also its nice to see them so excited over in nz and aus but do you believe the same old lame interview questions? d and w must be sick to past death with 15+ years of the same frigging questions...
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 22:34:34 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Anyone up for chat?
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:49:46 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yes, now that you mention it the opening Australian date _is_ listed differently between the two sources. Thanks for pointing that out.
It will probably become clear very soon, but I would go by SD.com since the article also says that "In a lead-up to the announcement of the tour, Walter Becker spoke with Undercover founder Paul Cashmere" when in fact it was of course Donald who was interviewed. So the article loses a little credibility there.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:47:01 ET
Posted by: ruslik,
how does it feel to be loved? - london club night playing indie pop, northern soul, tamla motown, girl groups, sixties heartbreak
http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl/
<a href=http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl>club night shampoo</a>
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:38:12 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
PC: For this tour you will be including solo works from yourself and also Walter's solo album.
DF: Yeah, we are going to try to throw everything in there. Last year we were touring with Michael McDonald opening. He used to be in our band in the 70s so we were doing a lot of stuff together. A lot of his audience was there. We were doing mainstream stuff and hits and stuff. This year we are going to try and mix it up with album cuts, some of our own stuff and have some fun.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:37:09 ET
Posted by: across the dateline, anyway
I think that opening day in that article must be wrong - sd.com says its Sept 8, and so does the ozzie promoter website article, which you can link to from sd's tour pr page .
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:36:13 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Paul Cashmere: This is the first time to Australia for Steely Dan. I should start by localizing the interview and talk about a town called Muswellbrook which is mentioned in your song 'Black Friday'. That was recorded some 30 years ago and on this tour you will be playing right there in the Hunter Valley. 'Black Friday' was about the end of the world.
Donald Fagen: I think we had a map and put our finger down at the place that we thought would be the furthest away from New York or wherever we were at the time. That was it.
PC: And hence Muswellbrook made the lyrics of a famous American song.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 21:33:35 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
The Steely Dan Interview: Paul Cashmere Talks To Donald Fagen
by Paul Cashmere - April 8 2007
http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=1858
"For 2007, Becker and Fagen have decided to take Steely Dan back on the road and for the first time ever, tour the planet."
The Australian leg of the tour is listed as...
Sept 9 - A Day On The Green - Sandalford Winery
Sept 11 - Entertainment Centre - Adelaide
Sept 13 - AIS Arena - Canberra
Sept 15 - A Day On The Green - Hunter Valley
Sept 16 - Entertainment Centre - Brisbane
Sept 18 - Entertainment Centree - Sydney
Sept 20 - Rod Laver Arena - Melbourne
...and SD.com lists a couple New Zealand dates too.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 17:07:23 ET
Posted by: ruslik,
how does it feel to be loved? - london club night playing indie pop, northern soul, tamla motown, girl groups, sixties heartbreak
http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl/
<a href=http://www.club-night-shampoo.w8w.pl>club night shampoo</a>
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 16:36:00 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I am looking to sell the following tickets:
Please contact: tpwdrum@twmi.rr.com if interested.
No scalping, good prices.
Steely Dan:
5/14 Clearwater Sec A, Row BB, Seat 12
5/21 New York Sec Loge, Row A, Seat 51
5/26 Atlantic City Sec 400, Row 12, Seats 11-12
5/26 Atlantic City Sec 500, Row 12, Seats 5-6
5/30 Boston Sec 3, Row P, Seats 11-12
6/5 Toledo Sec B, Row C, Seat 9
6/7 Vienna Sec Loge Center, Row A, Seat 301
6/8 Portsmouth Sec Orch Center, Row Q, Seats 7-8
6/10 New York Sec Orch, Row N, Seats 40-42
I am a huge Steely Dan fan, not some ticket broker or some dunce who thinks Steely Dan is an actual person! I post on here from time to time and will be going June 4&5 to Detroit, Toledo.
Thanks, Bettertimes
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 15:03:07 ET
Posted by: Joey, Raleigh, NC
Hey now, I am looking for a place to post a couple extra tix for the Steely Dan show 6/8/07 in Portsmouth, Va. I have two and they are Orchestra Left, Row N, Seats 11 and 12. I am not a scalper.
Email if interested, or if anyone on here knows of a better venue to post these tix, please let me know. Thanks!
joeyharrison@nc.rr.com
Joey
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 14:25:41 ET
Posted by: Down in, Tampa , FL
Ezra's real dad is living in Amsterdam.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 14:24:26 ET
Posted by: not even, .
No it's not true.
Ezra -- first hubby titus
Amy -- levon
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 14:23:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Well if you do the time line, Ezra would be all of 14-16 years old perhaps. A bit young to be on your own in Tampa, eh. Titus was Libby's first husband. Hence Ezra is Libby's first born and only related to Fagen through marriage.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 14:16:25 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, It changed, it grew and everybody knew
"She has two children – author Ezra Titus from her partnership with Fagen and singer-songwriter Amy Helm, her daughter from a previous relationship."
Huh?? What the?? I've always said that Ezra look like a young Donald. Is this true? Enquiring minds want to know!
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 13:31:20 ET
Posted by: Let us not forget,
Great news for Scotty, Tigs and all our Aussie/New Zealander buds. Also, good news maybe for Borneo Ann, SS and Stuart.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 13:23:36 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, hfs
Well
good for him then
jeez
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 13:11:20 ET
Posted by: Paul Hogan, g-day
Ed,
Believe me, Alan has known about this for awhile.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 12:47:23 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, hfs
Someone wake UP ALAN!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 12:41:36 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, well holy shit
Azan's luck continues! Can you please, please change the date?
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 12:11:53 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
STEELY DAN IN AUSTRALIA SEPTEMBER 8 !!!!!
Just got this google alert from a newspaper in Perth:
STEELY Dan frontman Donald Fagen hints that these days he is no longer the prickly character the band's perfectionist demands once made him.
“I think Walter (Becker) and I were challenged when we were younger as far as relationships with other people,” he says. “I think we were both aware of that and got some humour from that into the tunes.
“Fortunately, we’ve come to terms with some of that as we’ve got older.”
A workaholic for most of his life, Fagen confesses his priorities have changed.
“From 20 years to 40 years, all I did was music,” he says. “I was either in the studio or playing live, thinking about music or composing.
“I don’t do that exclusively any more. I have a family and responsibilities and things are way different.”
Fagen is married to musician Libby Titus. She has two children – author Ezra Titus from her partnership with Fagen and singer-songwriter Amy Helm, her daughter from a previous relationship.
Steely Dan recorded the elusive perfect album in 1977 – bona-fide classic Aja, featuring stellar tracks Peg, Josie, Black Cow and Deacon Blues.
“I just remember the tracks coming really easily on that one,” Fagen says.
“I think part of the reason it sounded different was that in the couple of years since we’d done the albums previous to that the studio musicians had changed the style they were playing.
“They had stopped being work-a-day musicians in their attitude and started trying to do what they wanted. They became more independent.
“They could tell we wanted them to be themselves. And they knew we were looking for something different. Everything gelled right with that particular record.”
For the most part, Aja was narrated by the collective Steely Dan persona that Fagen and Becker invented to tell the stories in their songs. Fagen has described that character as unrepentant and a guy without a girl.
“We both have literary backgrounds,” he says, “so we wanted to have the songs tell stories, but use some of the subtleties in short stories.”
His solo work, however, is closer to home. In 2004, he released Morph the Cat, the final part of a trilogy that comprised The Nightfly (1982) and Kamakiriad (1993).
The first album dealt with youth, the second with midlife and the last with death. Fagen’s mother died in 2003, and he was fascinated by the tensions and paranoia haunting New York after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Fagen says that when Steely Dan tour Australia for the first time, in September, the set list will skew to classics, deeper cuts and solo work.
Are these pedantic recordings hard to replicate live?
“We don’t try to make them sound like the record exactly,” he says. “Many of them will sound recognisable and we try to open them up for improvisation. There’s a certain curve to a tune that lends itself to playing around with the arrangement.”
That was always their aim when creating music. “We come out of a jazz tradition, a modern jazz tradition,” he says. “There was never any question we were going to work for anybody. We were just doing what we wanted to do.”
Steely Dan play An Evening on the Green at Sandalford Winery on Sept 8.
Tickets go on sale on April 23, through Ticketmaster.
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 10:45:42 ET
Posted by: hoops, actually...
Actually Scats, I have also covered these as well as various commercially available tape versions, not to mention various LPs (for starters, an initial run of MCA's "Gaucho" onvinyl was specially pressed), etc. I editted down to a re-re-re-...re-post of my previous posts to the disc versions this person seemed interested in. Please email me privately if you think I should dig up and re-re-re-re...re-post everything else and I will.
Jim
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 10:19:02 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
..anyone buying Borgata tickets today? I had trouble with the website being available at 10AM....I called the box office 866-900-4849 and got seats in the 6th row...
of course, none of the $125 tix were available....
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 07:08:40 ET
Posted by: scats, audio heaven
Hoops
you left out the best three audiophile copies of Gaucho
(well barring the master tapes)
1) Mobile Fidelity vinyl release
2) Original U.S. vinyl release
3) japanese vinyl release
these on a good analog sytem are much more resolving and engaging
otherworldly
hell - even Werlin sounds nice
Date: Sat, April 07, 2007, 01:01:13 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
My personal preference for Gaucho is the 5.1 DTS version. I first heard this version in a now closed Good Guys store. I told the guy I have heard this song(Gaucho)hundreds of times but never heard it like that. The chimes going from right to left then left to right. Sticking my head in front of the middle front speaker to hear Donald's voice somewhat isolated. Whenever people want to hear my system or I want to show it off, I play Hey 19 or Gaucho. Yamaha receiver with Bose speakers in a 14 x 14 room. Another good 5.1 dvd is the No Quarter by Robert Plant & Jimmy Page.
Jason
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 12:03:05 ET
Posted by: Audiophile,
Thanks Hoops!!!
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 11:55:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The question about the different versions of "Gaucho" currently available has has become one of the most FAQ here on the Blue and in the Dandom Digest. It's a good question.
Here's my opinion (it's a re-print for some of you)
----
• 1984- First CD audio release of "Gaucho"
• Late 80s or early 90s-MSFL Masterdisc Gold version of CD audio
• 1993-Unclear if "Gaucho" was remastered by MCA and/or later "by the artist" as the stickers on other albums said. Was remastered for the box set.
• 1998/99-DTS 5.1 Gaucho
• 2000-Newer CD audio remaster with new liner notes from Becker and Fagen
• 2003- SACD/CD hybrid including even newer 2003 CD audio remaster
• 2004-DVD-A (does not including DTS 5.1 like many DVD-A Discs because there already was a separate DTS 5.1 release, see above)
I have heard all of these and I own all but the MSFL CD version. Do consider that everyone's sound system is different.
If I DID NOT have a 5.1, SACD, DVD-A and or other surround system, I would buy the SACD/CD --that disc has the latest stereo master and will play in a standard CD player, sans SACD features of course.
If I DID have a surround system of the sorts listed above, then I would consider the DVD-A and the DTS 5.1 discs based on what technology I owned. The DVD-A of "Gaucho" has some photos of Becker and Fagen included but no bonus video. Universal has been dropping its SACD catalogue so I am not sure how much longer the SACD/CD hybrid of Gaucho will be around. You might be able to find it used.
I've heard the MSFL Gold CD of "Gaucho" and I wasn't especially impressed. Regrettably, I can't quote the source, but I seem to remember that associated with it's making also said this—you may want to research that.
Hope it's been a blessed Passover for some of you and Happy Easter to those of you observing.
Jim
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 10:16:12 ET
Posted by: Audiophile, Guacho Versions
Can any one comment on the different versions of Gaucho out there, namely the DTS 5.1 versus DVD-audio version, and which is better? Thanks!!
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 09:07:44 ET
Posted by: brian's mum,
Blessed be the cheesmakers. Or the makers of any diary product...
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 08:21:07 ET
Posted by: tigs, Sydney
Kalvin,that reminds me of the signoff the immortal Dave Allen used to do at the close of each show. God I miss his sense of humour!
Thanks for the memories.....
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 08:06:17 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Please excuse the cheese, but a sincere happy and hopefully peaceful Easter to you all people. May your God go with you...
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 04:25:38 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
A little correction.
They are ONE of the geatest composersduo in Rocks hystory. Simply a question of showing respect for Lennon & McCartney.
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 04:21:10 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I really don't understand why people always compare the post-Scam works with the pre-Aja records. That makes no sense.
Steely Dan was super until The Royal Scam but records like Aja, Gaucho and The Nightfly are magnificent and very unique too.
Walter and Donald only changed their riffle from shoulder.Two different periods but both are from a artistic point of view magistral.
It's clear that the more Rock orientated fans prefere the first leg of their career but that not means it was the best part.
The third part of their artistic journey isn't from the same level as the first two periods because the recent works aren't compatible anymore with todays contemporary music reality.
But TvN, EMG and MTC can definitely be considerated as real masterpieces.They only need time to grow !!
Today Two against Nature doesn't sound the same way as it sounds six years ago. TvN today sounds like a real timeless Steely Dan record, a classic masterwork. The same will happens with EMG and MTC.
In reality, the whole Steely Dan cataloge is one big masterwork created by two extraordinary creatures.
Strictly refering me to their music, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen is the most genious composersduo in Rocks hystory.
By the way: i'm the very happy owner of three Steely Dan concert tickets for Brussels (first row, seat 15), Paris (Orchester seats) and most of all for Lucca (Row 4, seat6).
Lucca - Italy, that's where Steely Dan is going to meet Puccini. Very strange but i like that idea !!
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 01:39:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm doing my best to be that man, ISS. I'll be speaking with you soon.
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 00:34:40 ET
Posted by: Spock's Beard, ISS Enterprise
Bearded Raj, in every revolution there's a man with a vision. Be that man, Raj.
Date: Fri, April 06, 2007, 00:20:29 ET
Posted by: Let's begin , something to end it
For original Old Testament Danfans ONLY:
If you never heard of Steely Dan before TvN came out, would you have bought it and become a fan? Did it blow your drawers off? Judge it as a stand alone, debut record.
Think about how you became aware of TvN and the first cut you heard.
Answer honestly, anonymously if necessary, you might feel liberated.
Example: "I heard "Cousin Dupree" piped into a dental office while I was having a root canal. Seemed like Don's voice, but at that time I thought, nah it couldn't be." Whatever your story is.
Depending on how people answer, we might get some insight into whether or not the New Testament is all that.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 21:48:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Covering you, Spock, let's go in...
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 20:55:46 ET
Posted by: Jim Kirk, Mizar V
In that case, Raj, phasers on stun
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 20:04:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Royal Scam was the apex and the end of a certain phase of Steely Dan. But by no means the end...
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 19:58:22 ET
Posted by: Day Glo Freak, A Frame
Hey Raj, face it, Royal Scam is the apex of Steely Dan and everything after, while great (mostly), can't touch this record.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 18:58:29 ET
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, France
Hi there, just a few words to suggest you to listen carefully to two cd's:
Laurence Elder: Surrounded , close to what Bruce Hornsby does and not that far from Donald, although Donald plays in a league of its own of course. Peter Erskine playing on that cd for a little bit of name dropping.
Chin Chin: Chin Chin, if your feet don't move to the sound of "Appetite", then you're dead (who said that?), try also "Mr sexy boy" if you want something really close to the Dan.
Then please come back to the Blue and write your own review .
Sorry for my poor english, both cd's had great reviews in Jazzmagazine by chief editor Frederic Goaty, a big Dan devotee but it was in French!
Bonne nuit
Philippe
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 18:28:53 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
Becoming a fan in the mid 80's, I'd have probably liked EMG if I discovered it retroactively as I did the rest of their catalog. But it's the one time where the production didn't do the songs justice. I listen to the metronomic "boom tap, boom boom tap" of the drums on TIMTM and the title track, it just doesn't hit me right and I shut it off. It's missing whatever quality keeps their stuff sounding fresh thousands of listens later.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 17:43:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well, that's the point, isn't it, it's all about taste and I know not a few folks who don't esteem EMG very much at all. I assure you my pal is a masterful bassist and pretty darn fair pianist. What a privilege it must have been to grow up with a virtuoso dad like that and what a terrible tragedy it was to have lost him so young. But leaving all that aside...
2vN is just now coming into sharp focus for me, the whole thing has a clear theme: a return or rebirth or reanimation after a long period of dormancy, fruitless searches, detours, walks down the wrong hallway. And the return is a bodacious one, they come back snarling and as subversive as ever, maybe even more so. To this listener it says, "this is me, this is who I am."
EMG although out almost 4 years is less in focus for me still. It has to do maybe with places, locales, some real, others wholly concocted. The worlds of Green Book, Pixeleen, Godwhacker, Last Mall and Blues Beach are constructs, imaginary worlds, mostly dystopic. The worlds of TIMTM, Gina, EMG are all too real, addressing issues of loss, entrapment and corruption, pretty much in that order, respectively.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 16:27:04 ET
Posted by: Lee,
Rajah - You would think that Jake's father would have taught him something about "taste".
lovethisgig- Thanks.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 15:19:03 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, the festive icons along the way
Marilyn 4.0, is she perfect, or merely the 4th incarnation, or perhaps both? And who among us did not chuckle when they name dropped Jill St. John? The lyrics are over the top, even by Dan standards. And the duel at the end between Walter's guitar and Donald's sometimes-indistinquishable-from-a-guitar synth-thingy is unfreakinbelievable. Who else but Dan could make this sound?
lovethisgig
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 14:29:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
luvdissgig - I'm humbled by your compliment, thank you.
Green Book - I have a musician frind who shall remain nameless, (Jake Feldman) who loathes the entire EMG record save for Green Book. Phyrigian scale, spooky minor key, gnarly cleeks and scrathes by, I assume, Hugh McCracken, Steely Dan secret weapon. How spooky is this tune? As you may or may not know, men are freaks, sexually speaking, and will go to any length to purchase a thrill no matter how cheap. Sad state of affairs if you reflect on it but true and the older the gentleman, the more heightened and varied the stimuli required. Hence, dirty old man. Green Book says a lot about middle aged men. Or young men, or old men. So, basically, men. We like to sneak around, we want it nasty and naughty in whatever form available. Thank goodness for the internet, it saves a lot of miles on the El Camino cruisin around for a little sompin sompin.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 14:09:24 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
hey Doc,thanks for thinking of me,we all need some of that but no it was not the fezman,i hate driving!!! try to stay within 40 miles of the ranch lol.....fezzie
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 14:03:59 ET
Posted by: Other,
Go for it lovethisgig things are slow today
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 13:49:22 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, a seamless segue
I could also talk for days about how cool Green Book is. :-)
lovethisgig
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 13:42:16 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, they got a name for the winners of the world
Well said Rajah, well said, the human condition. It seems Gibson isn't the only one who has a way with words.
More along those lines ... On the Aja Classic Albums DVD, Walter discusses Deacon Blues. I can't remember the exact words, but he comments something to effect that the protagonist isn't a musician. It's just one of the mythic forms of loserdom to which he aspires. And who's to say he's not right about a thing like that. I think that is so cool, perhaps one of the best descriptions yet of Steely Dan, the man, the Other. What is winning anyway? Can there be victory in defeat?
lovethisgig
PS: Lee, life is but a gig, is it not? I think someone asked me that before.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 12:21:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Mr. Rajah
Mis'ry & the Blues Where can that be heard besides your studio?
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 10:44:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Highlights:
Nightfly
Mis'ry & the Blues
Goodbye Look
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 07:16:33 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Sue Dave,
I agree with you.The live experience i had with those Donald fagen solo shows was extraordinary. Better than the Steely Dan shows where i was in 1996 and 2000.But on the other side i have to say that SD today on stage is a lot better than 10 years ago.
I remember that impressionant show with a great sonority in Temecula, California. The setlist was good chosen and there were a lot memorable moments. I think i've never hearded before a better version of "Home at Last" and "Black Cow" than that night.
Wouldn't it be great ?? The first part of the shows:The Becker & Fagen soloworks and after the break opening the Steely dan catalog.
Also i think they are going to preperate two different setlists. One for the shorter festivalshows and a longer one for the normal concerts. Well at least i hope so.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 06:41:28 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Hmmmm - this DF v SD talk is interesting - I've only HEARD the recent tours and I have to say there was something great about the DF tour - maybe it was hearing the majority of the material live for the first time - all the Nightfly stuff was superb IMHO - DF's tour all seemed more succinct somehow.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 00:55:58 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
I've actually only seen SD once....and DF three times. What I liked about DF's shows were the extended solo sections and long finishes to songs like Goodbye Look and The Nightfly. I'm sure this happens with some of the songs in the SD catalogue live, and the more the better.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 00:27:08 ET
Posted by: suedave, temporarily out of my corner
Much to my surprise, I consider the Donald Fagen solo shows I attended in the top 5 best DF/SD shows I ever attended. I wish I'd had the foresight and fortune of attending the WB show so obviously there's a gaping hole (Walter - won't you try to fix that for me por favor?). But let me continue - I think what made the DF shows so great was that he didn't feel quite as tied to the mast of the SD hits catalog and he got to do a bit more experimentation - it worked and it was fun. Don't you think that a typical SD crowd would dig hearing a song or two of Donald and Walter's choice played by the fab SD band and sung by either Donald or Walter? I can see them pulling off a Ray Charles song.
Date: Thurs, April 05, 2007, 00:22:47 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
Hey W1P. Thanks for the update for the Doctor Wu band show. Sorry the bands web site needs updating. Love Scouser
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 23:37:26 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYC, Nwhy?
The New Orleans JazzFest (May 5 & 6) Live Feed-
www.blueroom.att.com
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 23:22:22 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Now that Keith Richards story is being termed a joke...
Rolling Stone says snorting father comment a joke
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401219.html
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 23:20:58 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, the reading room
Hey Raj,
Y'know, that's why I love you, big bro...you've once again put succinctly my exact thought about that Gibson piece; thanks! And I'll offer this missive on your inquiry, Wally: The Human Condition (as seen from the eyes of the "Other") is precisely what the Steel Dan sound, tone, mood and theme so grandly solidifies to me.
And I know our favorites are the first-person narratives, or storylines, but...when they do it in the guise of second-person characters, whole cultures and timeframes ("The Royal Scam" and "Jack of Speed" are excellent examples of this), I have to sit back and, y'know, revel in the creative genius of the WORK that they've done...
Yes, sir, what a wonderful band.
And, again, I'm doing a lot of MORPH... and 11TRACKS... lately, and the scope is just...I dunno, mates! Is "cinematic" a proper description of this music? Oh--and (this is kind of sickly, so please excuse, okay? Thanks.)--has it occurred to anyone that the "little lady" being addressed in "Pagoda of Funn" is, like, ALREADY DECEASED? I know, I know...a love song grounded in necrophilia is surely way too sick for the Boys to even attempt, I'm sure, but...this "hit" me in the middle of a late-night drive on 287, and the clues are there, maybe. Just another little Mr. LaPage-type inside joke, perhaps, or...have I fallen right off of the Weirdo Truck, here? Let me know; I'll be readin' you. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 20:58:59 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
hey Fezman:
I was driving back from Chicago to Philly today, and thought of you:
somewhere east of Toledo, I passed a Jeep Grand Cherokee, I believe it had Massachusetts pates (not certain)..and on the dashboard, on the passenger side, was a GREEN FEZ.....
...was it you?
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 19:33:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, I copied it off their website, oops. 4/6/07.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 19:29:11 ET
Posted by: all quiet on the Steely front,
I just know that the boys are workin hard retoolin the show to Soboba-like grandeur during these idle months. Probably holed up at River Sound or someplace polishing up their act.
At least we hope they are.
Lots of fans in and out of Dandom are counting on it.
I'm sure they do not wish to disappoint.
Or else I ain't goin'.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 19:24:24 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Rajah, I hope you made mistakes on both the month and year and that the Malibu Inn Dr. Wu show actually is on April 6, 2007.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 18:02:53 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
lovethisgig: thanks for posting the address to that review...I think it's dead-on.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 17:50:08 ET
Posted by: Unlucky Henry, U.K.
Nigel - is that true, Randall moved to England ?
I guess that would explain him turning up in my one-horse town for tea and muffins then.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 17:44:28 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Where is the Box set?
March 6. http://rapids.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/jmr/rel_info?rid=20564
March 5. http://www.hemifran.com/releases.html
Out Now - Waiting for delivery of stock
http://www.play.com/Music/DVDAudio/PROD/3-/3297606/The_Nightfly_Trilogy/Product.html
A little info would be nice! Anybodu knows whats on the 4. cd?
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 15:21:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
lovethisgig, a little slice of heaven is what that Gibson missive is. It's not a review, it's better than a review. It remains my single favorite piece of written criticism on Steely Dan. Of course, the man just happens to be a master of the written word. How he swirls them around so brilliantly. This notion of the "Other," is quite fascinating, the thought that Donald and Walter came to create this entirely discrete human being. So human, so flawed, his moments of secret sorrow, failure, misunderstanding are only hightened, or should I say deep-en-ed, by his striving to lift himself up, take off and fly into some glorious triumph and he almost gets there, he almost gets there, but then something goes terribly awry and he comes hurlting back down to earth like the mythical wax-winged Deadelus who solves the mystery of flight but then cruises too close to the sun. Was it hubris, I pose to you, or is it just the human condition?
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 15:13:24 ET
Posted by: Fez-Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Fezman we'll paint the town fabulous. And don't worry about the late night, I usually go to bed at 9:30.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 14:40:15 ET
Posted by: Lee,
lovethisgig - Just curious. What gig is it that you love?
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 14:00:45 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta
Check out Gibson's review of 2vN if you never have.
http://www.steelydan.com/2vngibson.html
I like to think 2vN, the title track particularly, is neither Don
nor Walt, but "that Third, that thoroughly Other," which Gibson so eloquently describes. Still love to read that review.
lovethisgig
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 13:52:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah, hey Angelinos
The lyric sounds heavily Walter but the horn arrangements and Joe Z piano is D of course.
LA's other very fine Dan tribute, the mighty Dr. Wu, is doing two big sets on Friday, March 6th 2006, 8:00-11:00 PM Malibu Inn, 22969 Pacific Coast Hwy. Their singer, the extremely gifted Tony Egan from Liverpool, UK, has got the pipes and breath control Mr. Sinatra would envy. Check them out.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 12:28:14 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that Two Against Nature is more of a Walter song than a Donald song. If I had to guess I'd say the melody and the piano line are Don's, but the time signature and overall feel of the song belong to Walter, and probably a lot of the lyrical content too. This is pure speculation of course.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 10:31:50 ET
Posted by: West of Philly ,
Two Against Nature
The Rhodes is homage to Miles/Zawinul.
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 10:29:57 ET
Posted by: West of Philly ,
Two Against Nature:
6/8
Date: Wed, April 04, 2007, 05:16:03 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Boston Rag, you would recommend the new Fountains of Wayne?
I bought Utopia Parkway when I was in N.Y. for the first and so far only time in my life. Definitely the right soundtrack.
Bye bye DRM: http://hypebot.typepad.com/hypebot/2007/04/emi_offers_enti.html
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 21:25:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
At Any Rate - they created a great first foray into their new era with that song...
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 21:15:36 ET
Posted by: Maybe...,
the TvN influence came from African rhythms that made it to the Carribean then moved north and influenced New Orleans jazz and Delta blues, which was then picked up on by late 20th century artists. Paul Simon used these African guys for a time on Graceland and a couple other records also bearing sonic resemblance to TvN
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 20:15:35 ET
Posted by: Rajah, sweetest taboo
Very insightful, All About Jazz, yes, those tunes fit the bill. Let's review the players on the 2vN track:
Drums: KC
Bass: WB
Lead Guitar: WB
Rhythm: Jon
Wurlitzer: Mike Leonhart
Rhodes: Donny
Vibes: Steve Shapiro
Timbales: Daniel Sadownick
Percussion: Gordon Gottlieb & Keith Carlock on handclaps
Backup: Carolyn Leonhart, Cynthia Calhoun, Micheal Harvey
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 19:00:58 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
You Asked - LOL! Now I like the song even better The lyric in the tune goes:
Chuck Sarborough turns to Sue Simmons
Says Sugar you don't know what you're missin'
Ooooh we belong together - Like traffic and weather
FoW probably making fun of Chuck being a bubbleheaded talking head.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 18:48:36 ET
Posted by: It's All About Jazz,
Title track TvN does sound tribal, creole? and maybe other things but I believe it to be based on some form of Jazz. I've definitely heard that type of back beat and structure many times before. Four examples are Sweetest Taboo, by the jazz group Sade; West Virginia Fantasies, and other early Chicago; a late 90's group called US3 and interestingly Willy and the Hand Jive by various artists e.g. George T's Delaware Destroyers. While I can't, I strongly suspect that a professor of Jazz could identify the influence.
Chris earlier hit it on the head when he asserted that TvN is non-Steely compared with their work to that point. TvN's song structure is an example case of those Two, Don and Walt, going against "their nature", so to speak? Possibly pun intended?
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 18:41:22 ET
Posted by: You Asked, Rag
Boston Rag-Sue Simmons is a lesbian. I don't think she had a thing for Chuck
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 18:37:42 ET
Posted by: Edward R. Murrow, Studio B
That would be Jim Lampley and Bree Walker, KABC LOs Angeles.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 18:23:51 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Didn't Anna Nicole and J. Howard Marshall go to a Steely Dan show on their first date?? I keed, I keed!
I'm knocked out by the new Fountains of Wayne CD - another pop gem!!
There's a tune on the new CD called "This Better Be Good" which is a cousin to "Everything You Did".
Also, maybe some New Yorkers can answer this for me. The title cut, "Traffic and Weather" is about an affair between two News anchors. The song makes reference to Chuck Scarborough and Sue Simmons. Are they or were they once an item?
Mark of the North - I have seen 9Teen and they are very good. They play in the Worcester area every now and then. When I saw them they played 50% Steely Dan and 50% danceable R&B like Stevie Wonder and Earth, Wind & Fire. Then of course, there was Beau Bolero who I used to see a few times a year back in the early 80's. There was a bogus bootleg of one of their shows that was labled "Steely Dan Tour Rehearsals - 1978".
In 48 hours - The Dice-K Commeth!
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 17:43:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah , A Snort for My Father
LONDON (AP) - Keith Richards has acknowledged consuming a raft of illegal substances in his time, but this may top them all.
In comments published Tuesday, the 63-year-old Rolling Stones guitarist said he had snorted his father's ashes mixed with cocaine.
"The strangest thing I've tried to snort? My father. I snorted my father," Richards was quoted as saying by British music magazine NME.
"He was cremated and I couldn't resist grinding him up with a little bit of blow. My dad wouldn't have cared," he said. "... It went down pretty well, and I'm still alive."
Richards' father, Bert, died in 2002, at 84.
Richards, one of rock's legendary wild men, told the magazine that his survival was the result of luck, and advised young musicians against trying to emulate him.
"I did it because that was the way I did it. Now people think it's a way of life," he was quoted as saying.
"I've no pretensions about immortality," he added. "I'm the same as everyone ... just kind of lucky.
"I was No. 1 on the `who's likely to die' list for 10 years. I mean, I was really disappointed when I fell off the list," Richards said.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 17:30:55 ET
Posted by: Cary Grant,
That was a better rap than I gave Deborah Kerr in An Affair to Remember.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 16:58:55 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
My dear girl margaret,your company as alway's would be a wonderful addition to any "steely evening"and if you would like to accompany me to the show i can only think of one quote that fits,from another fez wearer of sorts.....
"so as it is written,so it shall be".......We shall part the sea of humanity and behold the annointed ST.CARLOCK on high....We shall partake of all the wonders the evening has to offer,and then.....i shall retire home as i have a hard time staying up after midnite......fezzie
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 16:53:15 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Redux, No, I mean the overall volume is suddenly louder. After 0:06 everything suddenly gets clear. It sounds a little weird.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 16:37:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah, pssst...Fezo
Fez, you're 50 -something, right? And maybe half the man you used to be. 50 divided by 2 is...25. Do the math, she likes Steely Dan and she's hot. Do I need to send you a slide rule?
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 15:52:14 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Rajah:
PLEASE don't EVER change!! LOL
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 15:29:27 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Fezman, why's it gotta be 40+? 25-year olds can party too. I'm just sayin.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 15:11:59 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta
Chris, you are absatively correct ... and the lyrics are astounding. The song ranks with anything they've ever done. I remember the first time I heard it, how the initial "what the f?" gave way to "Oh f!!" It just blew me away. Then came the euphoria, the realization that "My God, Steely Dan is back!" Only after repeated listenings did I realize that's exactly what they were saying.
lovethisgig
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 15:09:56 ET
Posted by: Tathian Red,
Stick Jump Dancing
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 15:02:53 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Not being Mark, Bill, or Paul, nor in the Boston area, I'm not quite sure if I should say anything, but what the hey...
A few years ago I spent a lot of time (probably waaaaaay too much!) investigating Dan tribute bands with websites. I can't guarantee now that the bands necessarily still exist, that all of the links are still active, or that there aren't some new ones or even just ones I never happened to come across, but I did compile a list (with web links) and posted it here...
http://www.geocities.com/dimskip/SD_tribute_bands.html
Beyond what's there I doubt very much I'd be able to answer any questions as I have never attended a tribute band performance anywhere/anytime, but I hope it's a good starting point for anyone interested in such things.
Looks like only one on the list for the Boston area---9teen.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 14:53:34 ET
Posted by: Redux,
TJ that opening to TvN is pure Eric Dolphy. He did that all the time upon his return to the jazz scene after kinda crackin up there. When he came back it wasn't just bebop he was playing, it was super-bop and that craziness at the start of 2vN is so him.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 14:48:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
2vN...a bebop tune? You sure can't dance a conventional Western dance to it. It's kinda tribal too. Maybe like that Hawaiian ritual dance with the two guys crouching on the ground, each holding the end of two long sticks, banging the two long sticks together then separating them while dancers dart in between hits. You know what I'm talkin about? Like at luahs with the fire goin and stuff?
Help me out here...
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 14:44:02 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Boston
Mark, Bill or Paul,
Are there now or have there ever been any SD Tribute Bands in the Boston Area?
I was reading about tribute bands around the country and europe that cover SD and got me to wonder.
Thanks,
Mark
P.S. Hey Fezman, Cool way to pick up the chicks!!!!!!
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 14:41:57 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
TvN is really great! Love the guitar in the chorus and the discreet background vocals, (which are all over the album).
One curiosity: Listen to the intro. When the saxophone enters at 0:06 it's like the master volume is raised just a little. Or is it just my edition?
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 14:23:50 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I'd have to agree with Chris re: 2VN. It doesn't have that typical SD sound like so much of their other stuff does.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 13:58:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah, bomb diggity
Chaos, good way to describe it. It's perfect bookends with West of Hollywood. More chaos.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 13:06:09 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
The title track of TvN is the freshest, edgiest, coolest tune they've written since the 70s. The 3/4 (or 6/4 or 6/8, whatever) breaks up the monotony. There's that great piano line, one of Walter's best solos on the album, and that incredible horn arrangement. It's totally chaotic. I love it.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 12:58:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah, what becomes a legend most?
I know just how he feels then.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 12:38:17 ET
Posted by: Nigel, Leeds, UK
Rajah - What I'm trying to say is that I know people here that know Randall. From what they tell me, he's a legend in his own mind
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 11:56:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well, Nigel, let's give the man his due. His work with Purdie and Rainey on Royal Scam was pretty righteous. He's worked with quite a few bigtimers. So what are you saying, he's painted his body blue and runs amok with his nature cult pals through the Yorkshire countryside? I guess it's all about choices.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 11:34:40 ET
Posted by: Nigel, Leeds
Actually, I think Gary Katz had a better career than Elliott Randall. Randall's big moment was his solo on RITY. He's done nothing worth while since that. He's still living off of Jimmy Page's review of that solo. He moved To England years ago and from what I heard joined some cult. Next.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 11:31:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hou - 2vN is da b-bizzle. We discussed the top heavy time signature here at length. It's a real showcase for Carlock's rimshot work with that fantastic left he whips around. Also a good study in how the repetitiousness of a rhythm loop need not be tedious. KC sounds positively Copelandesque on it. Everytime he comes around it sounds fresh and the darn thing goes on for like 8 minutes. Great nasty razor sharp imagery in the lyric as well. C'mon, "these boys wanna bang the skulls of things undead?" Only they could get away with it.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:51:11 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Tetchy or what!!?? LOL
Wish I hadn't bothered now.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:49:49 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Raj...interesting you mention Carlock on the TVN title track because that is one song I never really cared for until the past few months. I've really gotten into the drum part and didn't realize it was Carlock. I didn't think he came along until after TVN. I will say that Carlock blew me away with his Aja rendition at Chumash. I think Carlock is a great talent, but he almost seems to me, mis-placed with this band. I thought the SD sound was at its best during the Sony live session and the 2000 tour with Lawson and Barney. I also think Freddie W stands out more with solo Don rather than with SD.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:39:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh, OK. I was speaking with White Mona at our little afterparty at the Beacon Hotel after Donald's show last March. Seems Mona worked with the illustrious Mr. Randall, maybe even something to do with his management, can't recall, and that he always felt very fortunate that the Boyz chose his solo for Reelin. I guess you could say it remains his most well known piece and really gave his session career a big boost for which he remains grateful. Couldn't get her to spill as to why he hasn't returned every once in a while to the fold. These things are, as you know, shrouded in more mystery than the Holy Grail. But I surmise its all part and parcel of their never ending search for new blood. Like Dracula. I guess once the moving finger has writ, it moves on, and writes no more.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:36:00 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Henry - I forgot to mention that Elliot Randall also did a special gig (along with Chuck Rainey) for Dan Fans in Pete Fogel's club during the Rock and Roll HOF Week. As Donald used to say, "What a Night!!!!".
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:17:05 ET
Posted by: Unlucky Henry, U.K.
Well, I guess I could wait for all those finely honed SD minds to provide their unique in-depth insight into the life, times and talent of Elliott Randall. To entertain and inform with their wit and wisdom, to bring their intellects and artistic sensibilities to bear. To challenge and stimulate with their colourful opinions. To occupy two opposing camps and get nasty.
Or I could visit his website for a grey clickfest. Why didn't I think of that....?
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 10:00:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah, gone Celtic
Henry - Elliot Randall he play really good. Me like heem.
http://www.elliott-randall.com/bio.htm
Richard, I'm really enjoying your commentary very much sir, never ever enough drummers over here. You'd be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) how little the average music listener understands about what goes on back there behind all those cans. Or that drum charts even exist or that he's even a musician. And what a feat of physical dexterity is demanded to lead and hold everything together. To be strong but not overbearing. Powerful and nimble. No wonder drummers make great dancers. Fred Astaire was a terrific amateur dontcha-know...
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 09:35:51 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
UnluckyHenry:
www.elliott-randall.com
Google is your friend. LOL
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 08:11:29 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth England
GM - that piece of cake that you recklessly tried to circumnavigate without the aid of any form of safety net at the Boston Danfest '06 had come down to about half the size of the room when you said you'd had enough and sent the rest back ! A team of industrial sanders are still being employed full time by the venue to try and smooth out most of the cracks and crevices the cake left on the door frame as they winched it into the room. Well I say working full time - that is apart from the two week suspension of operations when Hank and Butch tragically fell into one of the cracks and were never seen again ! It's a good job that I kept the negatives of the shots I took when they asked for photographic evidence at the inquest...is'nt it !!!
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 07:25:51 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Unlucky - Well, Reelin' WAS 35 years ago! A lot of people forget that Elliot also played the featured guitar tracks on "Sign in Stranger" and "Green Earrings". He's still a great player and very active in a lot of projects. But never mind me, why don't you check out his web site??
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 05:29:31 ET
Posted by: Unlucky Henry, UK
I live in Hicksville U.K - yeah, we got em too - and I just noticed that Elliott Randall is doing a guitar seminar and then a gig here in a local mickey mouse arts centre with some local musos.
How has he come to this ? I don't keep track of the lives of all the Dan session men but I know you people do !
Can someone give me Mr Randall's life story ( briefly, Rajah ) from the moment he stopped Reelin'....? And tell me why he's gigging in my garden shed ?
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 04:19:18 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Hou and Raj
Bass players and drummer - yep vital and different combinations do make an big difference to a band.
I tend to think that TB and RL were a little to mechanical in their approach and the entrance of KC loosened it all up a bit.
From what I've heard the present KC and FW is the best and a bit more flexible and swampy than previous partneships. Their work on DF's tour is outstanding IMHO.
As a drummer I can vouch for how different it is to play with different bassists. My band has used four (incl two deps) in the past year.
The first was pretty fiddly at times but we did seem to play well together (most of the time) although he wasn't a great listener.
The second was much more solid and straight ahead but came up with nice lines quite often as a change up - he was a listener but could be nervous.
The third was full on with a plectrum - very able and very on top of the beat - it was like being attached to a train.
The fourth is elastic but solid, confident and good technically - I find him very easy to play with and we were tight as tight can be.
You do have to adapt your approach slightly but I like to consider myself heavy on groove and light on fills so I hope it makes it easier for guys and gals stepping up.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 00:51:19 ET
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Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 00:46:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hou - matching the drummer and bass players is essential, you speak the truth about Barney and Lawson rhythm section. But giving a supple and agile young player like Keith a shot was a real find. What Keith did in studio on the title track from 2vN must have surely has a startling effect on D&W. Now Freddie is a rock. What I hear from the great Feldman fils is that a bass player must make more adjustments to each kitman he plays with than the other way around. This is all predicated on, I think, the very spot-on statement by some very inciteful rocker that a band can only ever expect to be as good as its drummer.
Date: Tues, April 03, 2007, 00:36:43 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Lawson and Barney to me, captured the live sound of SD more so than Carlock and Freddie W. I like Carlock especially when he does Aja and Freddie W. was fantastic doing Brite Nitegown, but L & B are superior IMHO.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 22:05:00 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Ok,i'm going to post this again and we will see what happens....I have made arrangements so that i can attend the 5/30 show in boston,unfortunately it cost me my date,oh well.....That being the case,i have two options..1.i can offer the tickets again below my cost for the pair {sec 2 seats 10&11 dead center} or 2. i can advertise for a beautiful lady 40+ willing to be seen with in public with a mid 50's guy in white tux and fez.I can only promise that you won't go screaming into the night and you will be returned safely to whomever you have hired or threatened to watch over you during the event.either way i figure i do ok...{disclaimer}If you have a problem with the goods and or services offered and choose to agree to the rules and regulations set forth in previous statements then by all means please respond to said statements and a response will be forthcomming..If by any chance you have any comprehension or understanding of any of the previous statements you are completely phucking nuts and thus a response will be unwarrented..best wishes ....fezzzie
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 20:25:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm working on it, plans are still up in the air, DB.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 19:04:50 ET
Posted by: deaconblue, brussels
Hey guys
And whatb about that giant Danfest in Lucca?
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 18:50:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah, haben zie gehort das Klesmer band
Matt, i liked Tedde's approach and he has a good feel for Donald's gestalt. PL's brass has improved dramatically since then, new singer, new drummer. Steve's done a nice job of finding players better suited to the material. They're playing gigs like the Canyon Club, a place that's booked by very discerning folk. Try them agian sometime. I'll have you Comped.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 17:34:05 ET
Posted by: Mr. Chow, Fagen Albumns - Rhino Re-release
Does anyone know anything about the Fagen box set coming out in May - I assume everything is re-mastered, etc? Worth waiting for that, or should I pursue the DVD-A of Kama and Nightfly - which seem a bit hard to get. Can anyone comment on just how enhanced the sound quality is on the DVD-A version of those two? Thanks!
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 17:15:38 ET
Posted by: Matt "the terror" Serra, p
Rajah - I saw them at the Baked Potato about three or four years ago. I thought they were going to break into the Horah. It's really tough to do the SD stuff live so you have to have a lot of balls to even try it. I give them credit for that. I was a regular at the Steely Damned shows at the Catamaran Hotel in San Diego. Even though Bob's vocals aren't great, the musicians in that band just pulled it off a lot better than the PL guys.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:58:46 ET
Posted by: NYCDanFan, nyc
The postings on here are starting to become a "tad foam-flecked and spittled with invective".
Texas Translation: Some of you folks on here are real assholes.
New York City Translation: The truth hurts. Deal with it!
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:36:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
When did you see them last Matt? I believe only half the band started out together 5 years ago. Jake Feldman is a singularly spectacular bass player. It's difficult to find a drummer good enough to pair him with. Yes, the bloodlines are there.
The proof of the pudding of how you're doin up there I believe is your audience's reaction. To that I can attest. Bodies do not lie. Audiences are never wrong. The Steely Damned were indeed a very fine ensemble and Bob Tedde is a very gifted vocalist.
Pinkerfaffle, Reelin was changed on AIA for a reason. What Donald did was append a 29 second bouncy and vampy intro on Rhodes before Chambers attacks on that crisp downbeat. Also the horns lead on the melody, not the guitars. On record, it's burning from the first bar all on the guitar player's lonesome. Actually, there's a slight retard after the guitar's first 5 notes, then the band takes off. And you best believe they were punched in. Donald does some smooth work on the recitative verses, trippingly off the tongue they come both on record and live.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:35:32 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
The postings on here are starting to become a "tad foam-flecked and spittled with invective".
Texas Translation: Some of you folks on here are real assholes.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:25:44 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
GM, looking forward to it!
Mark and Bill, if I can help, let me know. I'd be happy to do another T-shirt design, or whateveh.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:25:29 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Like I said, the era of good feeling continues here on the Blue. Feel free to say what you want. I said what I wanted to say.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 16:10:53 ET
Posted by: Matt "the terror" Serra,
W1P- Why should I sugar coat it? What? you can only post if you like something? I thought they were terrible. That's my opinion. Just because Victor Feldman's son is in the band doesn't make them good. Now, the Steely Damned band I really enjoyed.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 15:56:15 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Massachusetts Dreamin'
Mark, I am so there, I am so there!
Denise, Hoops ain't lyin' when he says Mark and Bill throw fanTABulous Danfests. I'm still coming down off the one from last summer. Oh god, wasn't that the one where they served a piece of cake that was roughly half the size of the room? And Bill bussed tables most of the night? What a blast. Can't wait for the next go round.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 15:48:58 ET
Posted by: W1P, Here
Era of good feeling continues here on the Blue.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 15:37:41 ET
Posted by: Matt "the terror" Serra, Westminster
W1P- You mean to say that the Pretzel Logic guys don't sound like a really cheesy wedding band trying to play Steely Dan songs anymore?
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 15:13:37 ET
Posted by: W1P, 0 outta 3 aint bad
I thought Mark and the guitarists were each a bit tentative. It sounded like they were struggling to keep it together instead of flowing naturally. That was not a problem thereafter. Isn't one of the background vocalists new? He adds a lot
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 15:09:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, Reelin is a decptively difficult song with respect to harmony and all those stop times. What was your criticism of it, W1P?
Craig, the Rajah did what he does best. Whip the crowd up into a frenzy with his posturing and gattling gun delivery. Think Benito Mussolini on crack. But really, the band didn't need it, these old folks were prepared to have fun, very unsual in this town. They must have been from points north and east.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 14:41:59 ET
Posted by: Deal Maker,
BetterTimes
Trade you 2 Dolly Parton's for all SD tix
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 14:34:15 ET
Posted by: Bettertimes,
I have Steely Dan Tickets I need to sell. Contact me direct at tpwdrum@twmi.rr.com or on Ebay, ID Wheels0812. Here is the info:
5/14 2 tickets-Clearwater Sec. A, Row BB Auction#320096773848
5/21 1 ticket-New York Sec. Loge, Row A(front row) Auction#320096774146
5/30 2 tickets-Boston Sec. 3, Row P(14th row) Auction#320099588056
6/7 1 ticket-Vienna Sec. Loge, Row A(front row) Auction#320098978327
6/10 2 tickets-New York Sec. Orch, Row N(14th row) Auction#320097260050
Very reasonable prices, not trying to scalp and kill people, just above cost. Thanks
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 13:59:52 ET
Posted by: W1P, Canyon Club
I have to say that having seen Pretzel Logic many times, they were the best I'd ever heard them on Friday. I do think their opening number, Reelin, fell a little flat and I was quite worried for them. But when they launched into Night by Night, it was clear that there was no need for worry. I think the crowd reaction described by Raj is a testament to their improvement. (I STILL wouldn't have Felice singing lead -- Daddy Don't Live in NYC -- but that's just my bias towards sticking to the original).
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 13:56:00 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Raj. Sounds great I will have to see those guys
Care to share your MC opening bits,Steely Dan related of course
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 13:48:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah, since you asked...
They were fantastic in their one set. The room was packed, over 400 people at the tables, the bars and just lounging around. Older crowd, even older than me, I love that. They roared when I asked them if anybody knew any Steely Dan tunes. The crowd did something very odd, they left their seats and packed the floor. The further along the set, the more people got up, closer and closer to the stage. A Roseland look from the pictures I took for Steve from behind the proscenium. This crowd knew the material, sang along. I felt really happy for Steve and the boys, they deserve this. They play with a great sense of fun. The guitars guys are shredders, the sax players, three of them have arranged some very tasty and different bits. Steve plays with marvelous energy. A joint that's booking Toto, Boz, Al Green, Leon Russell won't go for any Tribute outfit that isn't hot and tight(!) and Pretzel Logic has risen to that Which One's Pinkian level, I daresay. Only thing missing was the teenage honeys Pink's crew pull. Pink's got two great frontmen who happen to set the girls off with their boyish charm. Except for Ms. Hernandez, Pretzel Logic ain't pretty, they're just a damn good thang.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 13:26:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah
Speaking of cover bands … no review on Pretzel Logic
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 13:17:55 ET
Posted by: Lonesome Dave & Sir Paul, Cover Land
Hi-yo, hi-yo silver away, yeah... whoo!
Honey hush!
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:58:45 ET
Posted by: Mr. Eastwood,
Well just wait-to-taste-the-Savoy Truffle.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:55:51 ET
Posted by: Tuco, alright, I'll do it....
Honey pie,
come back to me.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:49:25 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef, ((Blondie, you are a QUEER, y'know that?!))
Honey pie,
You are making me crazy
I'm in love, but I'm lazy
So won't you please come home?
Do-do, doo, honey pie, come home.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:47:15 ET
Posted by: Blondie, with a gun
Well, you became a legend of the silver screen
and now the thought of meeting you makes me
weak in the knees
Aw, honey pie
my condition is frantic / sail across the Atlantic
mmm-back where you belong...
Take it Angel Eyes...
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:43:56 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, here, on the Edge of the Desert
Hey Y'all!
Um...I'm just "scrolling down," y'know, but..did somethin' negative happen, or what? Why don't we all calm down a notch or three, and, y'know, "catch up later"?
That "very" poster is prob'ly NYBill, and, like...we're s'posed to show some class, this side of the bowery, right? Right.
Everybody take a breath, and let the conversation continue at...well, it's Blondie's turn, isn't it? Take it, Blondie...
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:42:07 ET
Posted by: Uncle Albert, Laugh Factory
Which reminds me, Raj, Will Lee's "Fab Faux" is performing the White Album in its entirety at the House of Blues Sunset on, what else, 4/20
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:21:57 ET
Posted by: Spell Check,
message
meesage = high desert spelling
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 12:20:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hey GM
I will pass your meesage on... and thanks.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 11:20:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Whaddyagonnado, P, some flights of creative fancy work out better than others. How about that crazy record from Radiohead whatever it was called? And of course, number 9, number 9, number 9.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 11:13:10 ET
Posted by: Dr. Blue,
Dr. Brainfardt: Your point? Next.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 10:54:38 ET
Posted by: W1P, Vocoder City
On the other hand, Raj, there's no excuse for the "Trans" album, is there?
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 10:52:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No Thanks Very - you make such a salient point here with your post. While I don't expect any artist to kowtow to the whim of his or her audience or even take our criticism or commentary into account, there is an ultimate and quite understandable consequence to reviling one's fans or potential fans like our oversensitive poster of yesterday.
Further to the point, I do not expect Donald to be my jukebox when I pay to see him in a live setting. No artist with an iota of creative instinct or integrity should or would ever put up with that. If Donald did that, there probably wouldn't have been an AJA, he'd be stuck in the Royal Scam incarnation of Steely Dan. Not a bad place but there came a point where guitars needed to take a step back in his compositions. This is not conjecture, this is borne out in his subsequent offerings in the most obvious of fashions. But just like we sometimes do favors for our good clients or make allowances for their lack of savvy or expertise or make adjustments for the sake of their continued goodwill and to preserve and further our business relationship, so too should some overhaughty and downright prickly artists acquiesce to a request or two. And if we slammed our clients for every humorous or off-handed comment they make, we'd have no business. You eat it and smile. Unless you live in a bubble and don't mind eating Hormel chili out of a can every night. Reality is a bitch as my grandmother used to say.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 10:49:40 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
Anybody have the password for Toledo tickets??
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 09:52:19 ET
Posted by: dr mar, mt belzoni
borgata, anyone able to determine the ticket prices,, not a bad seat in the house fyi
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 09:15:45 ET
Posted by: NO THANKS, VERY, Anon
For all of your haughtiness, Oh Thanks, Very, you seem to be forgetting that while you are a working musician who couldn't care less about the people who frequent these pages, please remember this: THE FANS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE KEEPING YOU EMPLOYED. And don't flatter yourself - while your life does not revolve around message boards, neither do ours. We are hard working people who think enough of the music to spend our money on shows and the expenses that go along with them. You are a giant ball of negative energy, sucking the joy out of everything.
I can't believe certain people here are wound so fucking tight that an April Fool's joke caused all of this venom. It's amazing how the toxicity of a few can poison all of us.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 04:48:14 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo
Bullgoose here. I must say that in my absence the postings have become a tad foam-flecked and spittled with invective. I enjoy a little civilised cut and thrust as long as goodwill prevails.There is a tour going on. Life is good. Bickerers should take themselves to their rooms. Wasn't it that old danophile, Wexforde Brandish, who said 'We can't call ourselves civilised until we can do the right thing when we don't want to'?
Taste and Decency must be the by-words on this site else civilisation is doomed.
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 04:24:47 ET
Posted by: Dr. Brainfardt, next!
Yeah I mean considering that Pete and Chris know Donald Fagen about as well as I know the guy behind the counter at Seven-Eleven...
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 03:15:35 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
W1P, good one!!!
It definitely worked!
Date: Mon, April 02, 2007, 00:13:45 ET
Posted by: W1P, Tail Between Legs
Yes, I agree -- it was poor judgment to post an April Fools' joke here -- my apologies to Pete, Chris, and the Bluebookers. And the era of good feeling here on the Blue officially resumes right now.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 23:44:22 ET
Posted by: Which Ones Think?,
W1P -
Joke or not, it is in poor taste to name names as a source of false information. But it fits right in with your M.O. -- post only about Pink Floyd/tribute bands or namedrop.
2-2 in that post!
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 23:23:42 ET
Posted by: W1P, Dense
I think I'm really 0-3 -- that "Oh Thanks Very" post is, itself, an April Fools' joke
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 21:20:53 ET
Posted by: Raven, Observatory
all: yea, and I'm a grackle disguised as the grim reaper. clear case of worm mutation syndrome. go ahead, whet my appetite. raven
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 21:06:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah, step back
Oh Thanks Very - that was really uncalled for, sir. You MUST live in LA. Ya got no sense of humor at all. Just downright prickly. What do you do for fun? Pull wings off butterflies? Hey, are you the guy who flashes his brights behind me after I've signaled clearly that I'm changing lanes? Must be you.
Downright disproportionate and ungentlemanly to boot.
Care to dance?
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 20:42:32 ET
Posted by: hoops, very much on the quick
Denise--
Every tour, Mark and Bill throw a Boston Danfest that always is voted #1.
Gotta run...sorry everyone -- haven't been able to read the other posts from today but will catch up tomorrow. Thanks.
Jim
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 20:23:36 ET
Posted by: W1P, April Fool's Land
Shoot, and I forgot this too -- the era of good feeling had officially started here on the Blue whilst I, identity disclosed and all, was expressing disappointment in mean spirited anonymous troll postings. My bad again -- I'm 0-2 today.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 19:50:22 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
GM, the seats going on sale Monday are $45-85, unless you bid on them in the auction (they start at 110.) I hope to see you and Chan again in Boston (and maybe LWO)! Also hope to meet Chris, Mark, and Fezman. Are we planning a Danfest?
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 18:44:35 ET
Posted by: Oh, thanks very,
A reply from one of the 'mean spirited anonymous trolls'
I've worked in the music industry for many years and currently live in LA. I know all the players. I also know what you would call inside information. Quite a few people do, you know, and aren't in the least bit tempted to play strip-tease on the internet for a few score consumers. Believe it or not, we've got jobs to do and they don't actually involve fan boards and the people who populate them. Hard to believe, but there you have it.
I have posted here a few times, sometimes to share information. Sometimes to correct mistaken posts. I know others who have as well, as we were give to believe this once was a centre of online appreciation for Steely Dan.
And yet almost 100% of the time we have been attacked ... mainly by fellows who fancy themselves informed and are apparently quite threatened by our daring to come around to 'their turf' (which operates, apparently, under 'their rules').
Their insults, their name-hurling, their attempts to demean our information, their demands that I or we reveal our identity whilst attacking us for posting without name or email address or resume, are only passing amusing. I have no intention of seeking to validate myself to that kind...and certainly not to the infamous poseurs who most often demand it. Indeed, to anyone who is hung up on my bona fides, or my choice to post under pseudonym, I invite you to frankly go have another wank.
There is no lack of Hambones now or once on the SD payroll who fall hard for getting greased up by your average internet audience. Personally I say go to it, as it's a match made in heaven. The Hambones get to hold forth at length, tell their stories to an eager, credulous audience, and feel like Big Man On Campus (at least to that audience, if to no one else). The eager credulous audience gets to feel they're In...and then behave online as though they are themselves now somehow more important or cool. When we see this brand of nonsense, when we bother to look at all, we just have a little laugh.
Mind, I do not personally have anything against any person seeking information from any source about an artist they admire, and could give a fig if they 'work' whomever they choose to do so. I could also give a fig if they succeed or fail. What I do disdain are simply those who behave like testosterone-overcompensating blowhard bullies, attacking others whilst trying to pump up their own position in some mythical 'network' of consumer/fans.
The internet once promised to provide a real interface between artists and their appreciators. Perhaps it does so elsewhere, and perhaps it once did for a Steely Dan community, but that time -- if it ever did exist -- is clearly over. All that remains is a sorry struggle between civility and bullying, good will and posturing. It is clear to me which have prevailed.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 18:24:38 ET
Posted by: W1P, Disappointed
I know that I shouldn't give you the satisfaction of this admission but you achieved your goal of taking the fun out of it. I had almost forgotten that this place is vexed by a few mean spirited anonmyous trolls. My bad.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 17:39:35 ET
Posted by: Yet another prick, Im with him
....especially since pretty much all of the yappings of various talkative (and no-longer-employed by the Dan) employees has been about as reliable as a 4/1 joke
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 17:29:30 ET
Posted by: Another prick, in the wall
W1P - I'm sure that Chris Adamson and Pete Fogel really appreciate you using their names for your April Fools joke. You freaking jerk!
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 16:01:14 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
BR, I got that email too, and I was a little nervous because the subject header said "Don't Miss Steely Dan and Micheal McDonald!" I thought for a minute I'd have to sit through another Mowtown medley before Don and Walt took the stage ...
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 15:55:34 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Just got an e-mail from LiveNation. Steely Dan, Boz Scaggs and Mike McDonald tickets all go on sale tomorrow at 10AM for the BOA Pavillion shows.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 15:36:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Sign the register please...
Hey Margaret & Kalvin - The doors always open and the coffee's always brewin'.
48 hours until the new Fountains of Wayne! WhooooHoooo!
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 15:19:41 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Hey Denise and other Boston are fans. My current plan is to go the second night in Boston. The first night is the day after Memorial Day and it probably will be tougher for me to get out of the office early that night. Other than that, no real reason. Of course as the dates get closer I may try to snag last minute tickets to the first night as well.
I just got home from playing my first round of golf this year, (Florida back in Feb does not count). Its a great afternoon here, I hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 15:16:53 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
...and in a nothing much happening over here on another lazy Sunday just waiting for the next episode of 24 which starts in an hour so why not try to kill the time sort of productively kind of way...
...everyone can and probably has in the past put all the Dan albums in a personnal order of preference, and no two lists will be the same for countless reasons, but where does your favourite Dan album come in your all time top 10 ?...tops again ? if not, then what beats it...and why ? Answers on a postcard to the usual address please.
...and to anyone thinking of crossing over to the other side...so to speak... to see the boys here in July, the Hammersmith Apollo is the old Hammersmith Odean where just about anyone and everyone has played at one time or another. I'm selfishly happy that maybe selling out the cowshed that is Wembley Arena may be beyond the boys these days, but if that means more intimate 4-5,000 capacity venues where the sound comes to you instead of you having to chase it round the room, then sorry, but for me, that's progress)...
...I'll leave you all in peace now, thanx for your time...
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 15:01:13 ET
Posted by: Money for nothing,
W1P- That is the meanest April Fools joke I've ever heard!
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 14:59:31 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
...funny you should be asking that GM...Mark, I was just wondering...
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 14:47:36 ET
Posted by: An April Fool, Milo's Meadow, Bloom County
Steely Dan, the early years...
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3171/donandwalttheearlyyearsll9.jpg
Folks have always said that Walter brings the "edge"---now it's confirmed...
:^)
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 14:40:42 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
As I just announced on the Yellow: How cool is this? As some of you may remember, Pete Fogel introduced me to Chris Adamson at the Wiltern show last year. Chris was the voice on The Dark Side of the Moon saying "I've always been mad, I've been mad for fucking years . . . " and he served as one of the honchos on Donald's tour crew last year. Well, I've kept up with Chris (I even put him in touch with Alan Parsons for the Santa Barbara show) and Chris has just told me that MARK KNOPFLER is going to be on the upcoming Steely Dan tour. Now, I REALLY have to fly in for the shows!
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 12:42:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Ann, what touching words! Put a big smile on my face, thank you. Just give the word and I'll start stashing money to do a publicity tour in Borneo. I'll wear the "Mrs. Carlock" t-shirt.
Anyone have an idea of how much Boston tickets are going to cost? Mark, I'm sensing another road trip to your part of the east coast!
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 12:35:17 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Spring has sprung!
Craig – That’s great news that your daughter’s surgery went well! My daughter also had a similar surgery 4 years ago for scoliosis. She too had a steel rod implanted on her spine. Believe it or not, the incision was made under the front of her rib cage and they did not cut into her back. She’s doing great and is very physically active. The surgery was the week of the Roseland shows during the EMG tour. It was a nerve-wracking week. However, reading about the shows when I got home after spending the day in the hospital with my daughter helped relieve the stress. Your daughter’s recovery is in our thoughts and prayers!
Chris – The seats are not elevated at BOA. They are folding chairs that are tied together. The last row is about 75 yards from the stage. The stage is set high so there’s no problem seeing the band. There are two screens to the left and right of the stage and often they project the show on them.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 10:18:26 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Denise, I'm planning on the second night too. I always buy tickets for the second night of a two night stand if I can't do both.
Can anyone tell me how the view is from the cheap seats at the BoA Pavillion?
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 08:16:46 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Chan and other Boston area fans,
Bos tix go on sale tomorrow...which night are you going to get tix for? I am going for the second night (can't do both.)
Date: Sun, April 01, 2007, 05:39:29 ET
Posted by: Karsten, Luccabacker, Omenhouse'n (most of the year)
I have tickets for Lucca. We (me, my wife, my daughter, Bert and Nettie) will arrive there on Friday and leave on Monday. We will stay in a hotel 200m from the city walls the three nights. Count on us when it comes to a danfest ... I guess we should simply find a good place to meet a few hours before the show and post it here.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 21:28:48 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
GM:
You are such a "together" young woman. A credit to your generation. I wish that many more were as directed and as comfortable in their own skin as you are. Wish you were here then you could come and give a talk to my students about how you do it!
SS:
Know just what you mean! There's usually a delegation flies out from here every year for the big Rugby event in HK. Then they show a video of the whole thing in the "drinkers" club at the Sheraton here afterwards!! But what a treat to sit through the whole of 2vN too! I hope it has a subliminal influence on many a young rugby fan in the years to come!!
Are any of you dedicated Blue Bookers doing the trip across the pond in July to see our boys in the UK? If so, please let me know!
Peace to all on this bright and sunny Borneo morning!
Ann
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 19:56:00 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Margaret and Craig, I know the effects of scoliosis, as I, too, was born with it but never had any surgeries. Unfortunately in my old age, I get that hellish lower back pain that sometimes prevents me from moving around. I also have a problem with balance, as on bicycles, skates, etc. Spent many hours as a kid going to different doctors and specialists for x rays and exams, and being threatened with having to wear a brace. Mine was treated with exercises, luckily for me, but if I had had the surgery I probably wouldn't hear all the clicks and pops during yoga classes now! I'm a nerd.
G
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 19:32:49 ET
Posted by: SS, Hong Kong
I was doing some filming Saturday morning at Hong Kong's top sporting event, the annual seven aside rugby tournament. As the stadium was filling up with some 40,000 assorted lunatics in costume and on the beer by 8 am I detected through my headphones an out of place sound. Barely discernable in the din was Two Against Nature.
They played the entire album during the kids mini rugby warmup event. Negative Girl rolling through the still empty seats as men dressed as nuns carrying jugs of beer and Pimms got started on a blow out. Our UK brethren will know precisely what this is about.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 19:13:36 ET
Posted by: SS, Hong Kong
I was doing some filming Saturday morning at Hong Kong's top sporting event, the annual seven aside rugby tournament. As the stadium was filling up with some 40,000 assorted lunatics in costume and on the beer by 8 am I detected through my headphones an out of place sound. Barely discernable in the din was Two Against Nature.
They played the entire album during the kids mini rugby warmup event. Negative Girl rolling through the still empty seats as men dressed as nuns carrying jugs of beer and Pimms got started on a blow out. Our UK brethren will know precisely what this is about.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 18:13:19 ET
Posted by: deaconblue, brussels
So that's why i like Lucca so much !!
Lucca is a beautiful city, apparently not visited by too many visitors, unlike other Tuscan cities such as Pisa and Florence.
Lucca is a city enclosed by well-kept hystorical walls, where you will find beautiful churches, lively squares and amazing architecture. Also, the people are friendly and helpful. Food is very good in Lucca .
A DANFEST IN LUCCA ?? LET'S GO FOR IT !
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 17:34:49 ET
Posted by: deaconblue, brussels
Dear Karsten and to all folks that have plans to go to Italy.
So far i know there are no Danfests at the program for the Europeans shows.
But that's what i was thinking since a few days.
Lucca, Toscane, Italy is the most lovely place of all the places where Steely Dan is going to play.
Lucca is also the epiloge of the European tour.
So let's celebrate that with a giant Danfest. Only one great European Danfest in Europe, in Lucca !!!
To all Americans, Europeans and the other continents of our dear little world, what are you thinking of that idea ???
That's sounds great to me !! So let's do it.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 17:07:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Dean Parks on banjo. Donald on alto sax, I hear some doubling in there. Also Donald on acoustic piano. Walter on bass and guitar wah-wah pedal. Denny Dias adding percussion. Skunk on guitar. Jim Gordon drums.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 16:58:14 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Craig - second or third time? That's rough. I've heard about people having to have the surgery more than once if they have it real young. Luckily I didn't grow much more after my surgery and didn't need it again. I was pretty tanked and hyper at Soboba so I don't quite remember meeting your daughter, but if she ever wants to talk to someone - one steel spine to another - feel free to pass along my email. Once when I worked at Old Navy I was ringing up a young woman and the woman behind her noticed her back scar and it turns out her son was about to have the same surgery I had and the woman I was ringing up had the same surgery too. I whipped out my scar and was like "Are you talking about scoliosis?!" It's so exciting to find people like you.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 14:08:25 ET
Posted by: Karsten, listening again, Omenhouse'n
Right, this is definetely a banjo doubling the sax and the guitar. Today I got me the Chavez Ravine CD but have not listen to it yet. Dylan explains the background story to the song in his radio show and a look in the web provided me with some more information about the 'poor man's Shangri-La'.
Two days ago the Stuttgart show was confirmed on the SD web page ... about 20 miles from my hometown! Monday will be the 'check-for-best-seats-day' ...
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 13:39:26 ET
Posted by: Luker Ray, Malibu
BTW - "3rd Base at Dodger Stadium"
is part of Ry Cooder's great "Chavez
Ravine" CD. Highly recommended! I
stopped going to Dodger games years
ago once I found out "what they really
did" to build that stadium. Tragic.
-The Prophecy of the Space Vato
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 13:27:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - What a pretty day
Karsten –
That “plucked” instrument is
actually the incomparable Dean
Parks on Banjo!
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 12:58:28 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Jive Miguel, that's a hoot! Did not know that.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 10:25:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Scouser me old mate - they were supposedly playing Lucerne, Switzerland on July 27th but so far it's unconfirmed.
I'll be up north this weekend, gonna miss you guys again, dammit.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 09:44:44 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Gainesville, FL
In regards to whomever said there was no reason for East St. Louis Toodle-oo to be on a record, just as an FYI, East St. Louis Toodle-oo is the song playing in the background in William Burroughs' Naked Lunch when the Steely Dan is introduced. It's all part of the SD cynicism and humor.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 05:46:04 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
I'm Japanese; she's Thai.
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 05:44:30 ET
Posted by: Karsten, listening, Omenhouse'n
ESLTO: Yes, it's really a 'mean' sax ... supported by a guitar and another "plucked" instrument (synthesizer?). The pedal steel imitates a clarinet, not a trombone. It's soundwise a pretty good replica of an older jazz band. @Europeans: anybody here? Any Danfests planned in July?
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 05:25:10 ET
Posted by: Raven, Eastern Shore
stuart: why does your girlfriend need a visa and not you? is she someone you're bumping cyber uglies w/? :>~
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 02:45:09 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Tonyland
Hi Raj. Karen and I will in Euro from June to Aug let me know if SD have any dates for swiss gigs. PLUG PLUG PLUG. Doctor Wu Band. Malibu Inn. April 6th. Sorry about the plug
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 01:54:18 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Where there's a will, there's a way Stuart! Think positive! She would love it!
Ann
Date: Sat, March 31, 2007, 00:35:02 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
Ann,
A Bangkok show would be incredible. However, I’m not sure the Thai ear is, let’s say, developed sufficiently to appreciate S.D.’s music. Maybe I’m wrong; maybe it would sell out.
I think Singapore is more realistic.
I’m actually considering Japan, but that requires my (Thai) girlfriend to have a visa issued… not so easy.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 22:21:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks GM and Chan. I will pass your thoughts along to Christabelle. This is her second or third procedure,like yours GM...She started at 13 or 14 plus she has spina bifida. In fact GM she remembers you from Soboba.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 22:05:17 ET
Posted by: Ann, Bad spelling land
...sorry.....that's gig!
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 22:04:29 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Hey Stuart!
Let's hold out for a Dan did in Bangkok! Cool city for a show! But, oh that traffic! However, I could combine with a bit of retail therapy and nip-tuck!!!!
Forever hopeful!!
Ann
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 20:50:27 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny Malibu
East St. Loo -
Hey let's not forget that it's
DONALD blowing a mean sax on that
track!
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 18:35:50 ET
Posted by: Karsten, toodling, Omenhouse'n
Back to East St. Louis Toodle-oo: What's so bad about playing a jazz tune and imitate the trumpet with a wha-wha-guitar and the trombone with pedal steel? I guess they had a lot of fun recording it ... I like it. My favourite song at this certain point in time: '3rd base Dodger Stadium'. It was served by my host Bob Dylan while listening to one of his theme (baseball!) time radio hours ...
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 17:56:07 ET
Posted by: Chan, One more thing in Boston
I am pleased to announce opening night 2007 on the porch!!!! Its 56 degrees now and this is the official start of spring.
Steely Dan concerts are in air!!!
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 17:52:14 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Craig, glad to hear the surgery went well. Make sure your daughter knows that she has a lot of friends rooting for her that she has never met.
My mother had a spinal fusion to correct severe scoliosis at age 40. They did not have the techniques available to help her when she was young. The surgery probably saved her life and 25 years after is she is still going strong.
I hope she has the same success!!
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 17:31:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Craig - two days before my 16th birthday I had the "really fun" spinal surgery that your daughter seems to have had. My spine was a big S, then they knocked me out, pumped me full of morphine, cut into my back, put six metal rods up against my spine, sewed me back up, and when I woke up I was in a fog for the next five days. And lemme tell ya, when you spend your 16th birthday hopped up on morphine, it makes for a very happy birthday, even if all you get to eat is ice chips.
She'll be bouncing around again in no time.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 16:57:14 ET
Posted by: Clever Comment, Smartass USA
I hear W1P takes his wherever he goes
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 15:48:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I don't have one handy actually, mine's in the shop. Bring yours. Will you be working the room for honeys with your boyish charm and good looks? You an-i-mal as Paul Lynde used to say.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 15:12:08 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills
Rajah Dan and What Evuh. Why don't you take a "Steely Dan" on stage with you and explain in detail what it does?
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 15:10:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'll se you there, Pink, I'm getting a little intro together over here for the Pretzel Logic crew. I'm running out of Steely Dan parody gags however. Maybe I'll just play it straight for once........nah.
Toussaint has been so very influential in lossening up what used to be those ultra-white missionary position brass arrangements on pop songs in the 60s. His brass arrangements on the Band's Cahoots album was so very New Orleans and really propelled them to a new level. Toussaint crafted arrangements that were juuust raggety enough to harken back to roots music but at the same time very well thought out, very tight and challenging. Huge influence on Boz. Wasn't Workin' In a Coalmine his?
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 14:49:46 ET
Posted by: W1P, Wilmington
West of Lomita? I guess that's Palos Verdes, Torrance or Recondo Beach.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 14:48:16 ET
Posted by: W1P, West Valley
The Canyon Agoura Hills tonight for Pretzel Logic. Be there or be octagon. Unfortunately, I can only stick for the first 30 minutes. But I will show the flag.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 14:37:19 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
I often come across portions of Jazz Fest broadcast on PBS. Any chance Steely Dan will be featured this year?
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 13:39:03 ET
Posted by: Bob, nyc
LWO - Thanks for the info. Funny, I went to go see Levon Helm a few weeks ago at the Beacon Theater. After the show I went around the corner to get a bit to eat and was sitting right next to Allen Toussaint's table. He was a guest that night with Levon. I spoke to him for a little while and almost asked him if he was going to be at Jazz fest in New Orleans. Now I wish I would have. Nice guy.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 12:57:28 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, working
The daily schedules for the New Orleans Jazzfest were released earlier this week. The boys are scheduled to play from 3:35 until 5 p.m. on Sunday and are sandwiched between Allen Toussaint and Harry Connick, Jr., on the Acura Stage.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 12:02:45 ET
Posted by: Her Brother, burning
Tuco,
Here you go buddy.. post those lyrics until you drop!
http://www.dustyspringfield.co.uk/
Viva Steely Fucking Dan!!
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 10:52:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Yes Rajah there is someone older than you young man...it is I
but suffer from CRS
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 10:31:54 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
G & DB
For me 2vN stands a little on its own and is vastly different to EMG and MTC, which IMHO are two peas from the same pod.
I think 2vN is very much cut from the same cloth as Aja and Gaucho (an plethora of musicians etc etc) while EMG and MTC have more in common with the Scam
What is without doubt is that each Dan album really is a progression from its predecessor whichever way you look at it. Each one has its own charm and that is what the Dan such a great experience.
Each album is its own experience
Cheers
Richard
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 09:01:14 ET
Posted by: Stuart , Thailand
Ann,
Hello.
Yes, I've been living in Phuket, Thailand for two years; been reading the blue book for one.
Very interesting at times.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 04:48:43 ET
Posted by: Tuco, walkin the floor
Her Brother, I love the lyrics to the old songs. It's not like we're missing any pearls of wisdom over here. Be my guest, fill it up with brilliance. We're all waiting...
Viva Dusty, viva rock n roll.
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 01:56:04 ET
Posted by: Her Brother, burning with rage!!
Craig,
Great news! Our thoughts are with you.
Hey Hoops! I see you have finally been able to control the spam on the Blue. Now if you can just get (Rajah and others) to stop wasting space with full pages of lyrics it would be great. I know that I should just scroll but I come here for my Steely Dan and only my Steely Dan. That's why I come to the Blue and not to the Yellow.
Thanks for taking this into consideration Jim. You're the MAN for the DAN! Oh yeah, congrats on 14 years of the digest. I've been getting it for about 12 of those 14 years.
Lew
Date: Fri, March 30, 2007, 01:51:11 ET
Posted by: Blondie, singing
Aw, honey pie
you are making me crazy
I'm in love, but I'm lazy
So won't you please come home?
(Take it, Tuco)
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 23:15:14 ET
Posted by: Dusty,
Dont know what it is that makes me love you so
I only know I never want to let you go
cause youve started something
Oh, cant you see?
That ever since we met
You've had a hold on me
It happens to be true
I only want to be with you
It doesnt matter where you go or what you do
I want to spend each moment of the day with you
Oh, look what has happened with just one kiss
I never knew that I could be in love like this
Its crazy but its true
I only want to be with you
You stopped and smiled at me
And asked if Id care to dance
I fell into your open arms
And I didnt stand a chance
Now listen honey
I just want to be beside you everywhere
As long as were together, honey, I dont care
cause youve started something
Oh, cant you see?
That ever since we met
Youve had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to be with you
Oh, oh, you stopped and you smiled at me
And asked if Id care to dance
I fell into your open arms
And I didnt stand a chance
Now hear me tell you
I just want to be beside you everywhere
As long as were together, honey, I dont care
cause youve started something
Oh, cant you see?
That ever since we met
Youve had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to be with you
I said no matter, no matter what you do
I only want to be with you
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 22:38:27 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Craig!
Fantastic news!! It sounds very much like the surgery my step-sister had nearly 30 years ago (but no doubt far more sophisticated now!) and she's since gone on to live a normal life and produce two beautiful kids who are now in their teens! My prayers are still with you all and the medical team!
Stuart!
So we have another one of the gang here in S.E. Asia!! Fantastic!! Where are you?
I think you're right there....although I've not been following A.I. myself, every time it's been on, my old mum emerges from her room with tears rolling down her face saying "If that Melinda doesn't win, there's no justice!!" ...and the old girl is a big Sinatra/Dion Warwick fan, so she knows her balladeers, etc. Don't knock it too much Raj, that show has given breaks to a number of talented artists who would never have got exposure but for the show. Also, massively popular entertainment here in Asia, where we don't get access to the quality that you guys over the water get!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 22:24:12 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, West of Lomita
Craig, glad to hear that things are going well with your daughter. My wife, in the medical biz as an administrator, thinks that Loma Linda is a good hospital.
Rajah, I (at age LIV) remember those shows as well. I must have watched a few Hullabaloos. I remember one show that had a guest appearance by local LA DJ Dave Hull, known as "the hullabalooer" at least a little prior to the TV show's debut. Within a few years he had left Top 40 KRLA for the comparatively soporific KFI. My "Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows" lists Hullabaloo as airing from January 12, 1965 through August 29, 1966 on NBC. "Shindig" aired from September 16, 1964 to January 8, 1966. As for the TAMI show, I saw it in the local theater during its initial release; remember in particular Mick and the Stones, and possibly Jan and Dean doing the song accompanying the Main Titles, but not much else at present.
GW
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 22:16:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I will check her out, that is high praise indeed.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 21:09:54 ET
Posted by: Stuart, Thailand
Rajah,
There’s a girl on American Idol at the moment who’d certainly give Rusty Springboard a run for her money.
I think her name is Melinda Dolittle – she will be this year’s winner.
You might be pleasantly surprised.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 21:00:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I remember both of those shows
Rajah. But only because I have
episodes on DVD ;-). How about
The TAMI Show? Speaking of The
TAMI Show I'm jazzed for the Police
show at Staples and I think Genesis
at the Bowl will be a hoot also. Now
if we can get Amy Winehouse out here
to SoCal! She's got two shows coming
at Shubas. So if you live in Chicago,
I strongly suggest you try and attend
folks. You won't be disappointed.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 20:32:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
BPB - If I did know Carl LaFong, I wouldn't admit it.
Anybody remember Shindig and Hullabaloo?
There must be somebody on here who's older than me...
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 20:24:37 ET
Posted by: Denise, Well, this is new...
Got an e-mail from ticketmaster: you can bid on tickets for the Boston shows:
29th show: http://www.ticketmaster.com/auction/01003E76365C3793/1/
30th show: http://www.ticketmaster.com/auction/01003E7636EE3830/1/
Starting bids are at $110 per ticket. The seats going on sale Monday are $45-85.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 16:58:24 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, do you know Carl LaFong?
All the 60's nostalgia made me think of the old Lloyd Thaxton show. I can still remember when they had a Marianne Faithfull lipsyncing contest and the girl that moved the least while performing "as tears go by" won. I have also been watching the dvd set of gidget with Sally Field. Pretty funny when you spot things like "choreography-toni basil" in the credits. Okay, not Dan related but this all started a little while ago with talk of Bobby Sherman! Peace...
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 16:51:24 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Reckless Daughter
Craig, that's wonderful news!! Never mind the El Camino, Christabelle will be a hot rod Lincoln!
G
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 16:36:58 ET
Posted by: The Late Show,
{I have always respected Gary Katz. He is the "Toland" to Becker & Fagen's "Wells". Without the three of them there would be no "Kane"}
Cool analogy Mr. Ray. Never looked at it that way.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 13:48:45 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work
Lawgator - I would say that you wouldn't be disappointed with the Fixx. They were one of my favorite bands back in the day. Very proficient at what they do, that 80's pop/rock/alt/new wave whatever you care to call it. Their best work, in my opinion was their debut album Shuttered Room, with a bulk of their 'classics' on it. For $25 and free beer, you really can't go wrong.
KC
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 13:22:04 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, sfsdf
re East St Louis Toodle-oo.
Someone wrote
"There is a reason they never play it, because it is one of the worst pieces they have ever recorded!"
Ha! Do your research: they played it at least 30 more times than they did Dr Wu.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 12:17:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bravo Craig, you must in good with the Lord, ma brotha, because He has sent you this challenge. But maybe you should try to focus Him on somebody else, introduce Him to that nice fella down the street.
Yeah, I had that El Camino up on blocks many a time and oft.
Dusty Springfield is right up there with Dionne as the doyen of 60s song. Wishin and Hopin,' remember that one? Dusty and Burt were a good match as well. Look of Love, yeah from Casino Royale and the very moving, You Don't Have to Say You Love Me, love that torch song. I seem to recall it was a hit at the San Remo festival in 1965, the summer I spent with my grandma. It was called, Io Che Non Vivo Senza Te (I Live Not Without You, doesn't translate well) written by Pino Donaggio and Vito Pallavicini then put to English lyrics the next year for Dusty. Her reading of it displayed vulnerability of course but also great strength, that's the way to do an old torch song seems to me. Most of the women on our pop charts today would tear that song to tatters, and not in a good way. Can you think of one who could do that song some justice? I feel bad for kids listening to the radio these days, we have a music industry feeding them tripe, I suppose no one should be surprised if young audiences are incapable of appreciating anything but 2nd rate posturing and noise. Whenever I flip past that hideous American Idol I invariably hear someone ruining some great song from my childhood. There outta to be a law.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 12:05:26 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Rip Torn
The Fixx -- you remember them, Red Skies at Night, One Thing Leads to Another, etc. - are playing here in Orlando tonight at a bar called Velevet in the Hard Rock Hotel. Open bar and the show for $25. I hear these guys play pretty good. Anybody got words of wisdom to avoid it or to go at all costs?
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 11:00:51 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
Smashing Good News Craig!
You'll be watching her wax her skis in no time!
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 10:44:22 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks everybody for your kind thoughts. Phase one of Christabelle’s operation went well. The good doctor’s at Loma Linda (not too far from the Soboba) installed some temporary appliances to stabilize her spine and if all goes well May 23 they will add permanent dohickys(rods of Steel) in there and all will be well.
Sounds like fixing Rajah’s old El Camino.
We all thank you again.
Craig , Betty and Christabelle
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 09:38:22 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, study break
DB, I agree there is a world of difference between the last "3" and Aja and Gaucho. However, I think 2VN is a highly sophisticated, polished work akin to the last 2 from the 70's. In my estimation, Aja and Gaucho were very cool, sophisticated, and elegant, high end, if you will, where EMG and MTC are more "charming" in the conventional sense with the less polished, more approachable style. Morph for me fills the void left by EMG, being a little cooler and sexier. I have to admit my tastes lean more toward the late 70's work and Nightfly, with 2VN right behind it. It's flawless.
Whoever posted the 2 "worst songs in the world," I may agree with "Mockingbird," but how can ANY Steely Dan song be bad, considering the sludge that's out there today? Oops, I did it again!
G
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 08:19:36 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
TJ
In fact we're talking about irrelevant details. The kind of stuff diehard fans always are talking about.But in reality we don't have to complain us because the sound these days still great of course.So i think it's better to let the seventies where they were and let's concentrate us now to what's happening today.
It's clear that with TvN, EMG and MTC we've three albums that sounds different. So when i was talking about the fact that the three latest albums doesn't have the same degree of sophystication, well i think i was wrong.I think it's better to say they don't have the same charming SD sound as in the earlier days. So you made a point, i agree with you.
Concerning the sophistication:is there one album that sounds as good as TvN? I don't think so. It's sure the best recorded cd in pop/rockhistory.But like we said it earlier,we're missing that warm and charming sound. That's not because Steely Dan but because the fact that recording music on cd always sounds cold.
Example: i prefere a thousand times more to listen to the Digital recorded lp of "The Nightfly" than to the original remastered version of the cd .
Long live the Lp.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 06:46:47 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Wives and Lovers....takes me back to the 60's reading the sports page on the floor next to the hi fi. Actually, I like the Vic Damone version better than Jack Jones. Going back then and to Hal David, how about Dusty Springfied and The Look of Love. That women had a voice.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 05:57:29 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Deaconblue, not sure I agree:
"It's a fact that Steely Dan records don't have the same sophisticated sound as in the earlier days. That christal fresh and clean sound that we heard on Aja, Gaucho and The Nightfly is gone today."
I think the sound today is ten times as fresh and clean as on the old ones. (But definitely not as charming.)
What I find difficult to determine is whether the stuff from the 70's was good because of a great vision of sound, or simply because it was hifi-wise lightyears ahead of the rest of the music at the time.
I actually believe D&W always wanted the records to sound like EMG & TwN. At the time it just wasnt possible.
Sure there is a big difference between Scam, Aja and Gaucho, but still it seems that the quality of the composition, the arrangements and the playing is what really matters to them. clean sound is just a way to make all this easier to grasp.
Gary Katz is and old school producer. Like in the making of a movie, he wasnt the one with a vision (the director), but the one who made things happen. And thank you very much for that, Gary.
Today most producers are 100% about sound! SD has never been about making the drums sound like they were from outer space (Godrich), but about exploring the acoustic limits of the symphony orchestra.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 04:14:24 ET
Posted by: Gene Autry, San Inez Valley/Palm Springs
...my mexicali rose"
may you get the the winds of southwest forevea!
Bernie & Trouter show em how!
next month Paris, Normandy & the south of France.
Date: Thurs, March 29, 2007, 00:11:32 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Couldn't agree more Lee on East St. Louis.....but it took me a long time to appreciate it.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 22:15:27 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef, spaghetti Western
BT - Surely you jest, sir. East St Loius is Ellington with a big dollop of Maestro Ennio Morricone, great composer of movie scores for Sergio Leone and Bernardo Bertolucci. East St Louis far outstrips Duke's original version, it has charm and humor and the advantage of about 40 years of recording technology. American music at its best. So very American. It's fun, it's quizzical, it's also respectful to the true jazz era. No rock band save for the mighty Beatles has ever gone that far in reaching back to a stylized idiom of the past with such humor and respect. Honey Pie.
Steely Dan's take of East St. Louis is a majestic tribute.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:55:36 ET
Posted by: Hey There,
Java Joe - Another coffee reference. Good one.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:40:21 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Craig:
My thoughts and prayers are with your daughter.
Ann
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:37:48 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
I'd bet they play "Monkey in your Soul" at the June 5 Toledo Zoo show? I hope they change up the setlist this Summer, at least a little bit? I would like to hear some more deep cuts! All the commercial radio friendly stuff is great but I want some Kings, Fire in the Hole, Razor Boy, Barrytown, Parker's Band, Through with Buzz, Rose Darling, The Fez, Gaucho!
I will have to say in my opinion there is only 1 Steely Dan song that blows, everytime I hear it, I change it, I can't stand it!
East St.Louis Toodle-oo:
is AWFUL! Why this was ever put on Pretzel Logic I will never know. First, it doesn't fit and second it just sounds out of place and like hell! There is a reason they never play it, because it is one of the worst pieces they have ever recorded! If I had to torture someone with only one song that they had to listen to over and over and not shut off, that is it. It is right up there with James Taylor/Carly Simon's cover of Mockingbird.
Steely Dan "St.Louis Toodle-oo", James Taylor/Carly Simon's "Mockingbird" = The 2 worst songs on the planet!
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:37:27 ET
Posted by: Java Joe,
Chris - The reason why Fagen stopped using Katz in the 90's was because River Sound was located right next store to a Starbucks. Donald was able to get his own coffee with no hassle.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:35:52 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The last Strainer was "For the Hal David tune posted by RAJAH name the exact song title and the vocalist for the largest selling rendition of that tune.
BONUS: This rendition won a prestigious music award (for some it used to be). Name the specific award and the year".
No one got this one, not even some of the DJ pros on the Blue. The correct answer is "Wives and Lovers" by joltin' JACK JONES. Jones won the 1963 Grammy for Best Pop Male Vocal Performance, his second such award in his career for that song. The song has a James Bond sort of appeal, but a subtle campiness that would have made it a natural for use in the Austin Powers film series.
RAJAH's posting of Wives and Lovers lyrics was somewhat pejorative, but he unwittingly picked an interesting song in terms of its significance to the history of the pop music scene. Wives and Lovers was a major early breakthrough for David who teamed with Burt B. to go on to mega success mid to late sixties. For JACK JONES and his ilk, perhaps the guys who invented "cool"--dapper, clean cut male vocalists such as Como, Bennett, Darin etc. that song's popularity and the Grammy was sort of a last hurrah in terms of mainstream pop appeal.
With the exception of a few flashes by Sinatra and a few others the tuxedoed white male singers of the "standards" who dominated the late 40's, 50's and early 60's would soon surrender the charts to the British Invasion, Girl Groups, Motown, Psychedelia, Jesus rock, and later, of course Steely Dan (tangent). If they continued at all, they became lounge acts, perhaps not unlike what has become of Steely Dan itself (tangent).
Jones went on to a couple of lesser hits such as the "Race is On" and a rendition of the "Impossible Dream" and performed at a low level into the late 1990's but he represents one of the last, if not the last of his kind to scale the heights of mainstream pop dominance.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:30:36 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Well said Chris. I may be in
th minority here, but I have
always respected Gary Katz.
He is the "Toland" to Becker &
Fagen's "Wells". Without the
three of them there would be no
"Kane".
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:23:29 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
The other I'm curious about is the "falling out" between Fagen and Katz. As I understood it, the reason they never used Katz to produce the solo albums was because Becker had already worked as a producer, and Fagen wanted to return the favor on Becker's album. Then, by the time TvN was recorded, they both had enough experience with producing that they decided to do it themselves, rather than put another guy on the payroll.
As I understand it, a producer is sort of a guide, at least when working with a rock group (hip hop producers are something entirely different). He can range from running the session and having the final say in things (Godrich, Lillywhite, etc), or just being another set of ears to bounce ideas off of. Overall, he's a more experienced guy who understands how the music business works and can offer guidence. Don and Walt most definitely needed that guidence in the early 70s, but now ... not so much.
Still, I would love to see them work with someone like Godrich, who wouldn't be afraid to kick their ass. I read an interview with Paul McCartney where he said that's why he chose him. He's not afraid to piss off a legend.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:13:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I don't recall using the word
"only". Please.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 21:04:00 ET
Posted by: Please,
Lurker Ray ) Do you really think that Katz was the only person to try and get Fagen to sing all the songs? If so, you're the one that is naive.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 20:49:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
If I may,
To think that Gary Katz had “nothing”
to do with nudging the ever reclusive
Fagen to the mic in those early days
when they were first putting songs
together in that unfinished office,
after hours at ABC/Dunhill is a just
naïve.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 20:41:54 ET
Posted by: Lee,
Well, I think I see where Mitch got his information. I found this on the Steely Dan website in the FAQ section.
Since Fagen was uncomfortable as the lead singer, they also decided to sign up vocalist David Palmer as the front man. Since Palmer's vocal style didn't convey the attitude that Becker and Fagen wanted for most of the songs, and they also needed to finish the album, Donald reluctantly sang lead vocals on all but three songs on their debut album, which they named "Can't Buy A Thrill." An interesting portent of things to come, however, is the credited use of outside studio musicians such as Elliot Randall and Jerome Richardson on several solos.
The album is released in October 1972 without much fanfare, but surprises everyone by spawning a runaway hit "Do It Again" which reaches #6 on the charts. ABC pressures the band to do a quick tour and Becker and Fagen reluctantly acquiesce. A second hit "Reelin' In The Years" emerges and reaches #11 on the charts. "Can't Buy A Thrill" becomes a gold record and peaks at #17 on the charts. As the band begins to record their next album, Fagen takes over on all lead vocals and David Palmer leaves the group.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 20:26:05 ET
Posted by: SteveV an, in Ajia
thought I would pipe in on the Gary Katz commentary and Steely Dan early days....
a) yes he deserves credit fr getting Steely Dan together and signed, he was a shrewd negotiator and heard something in Fagen and Becker's songs that nobody else had at that time..
b) Fagen was the one who wanted to have a 2nd vocalist, but because he did not want to sing in concert
c) Palmer was hired sight unseen at the end of the first recording sessions and was essentially the lead vocalist in concert from Sept. 1972 until April or May of 1973
d) Although a talented songwriter and gifted vocalist he was terrible during his days with Steely Dan often appearing too zonked out of his mind to sing properly....he really murdered Do It Again in concert
e) he was fired from the band mainly because Fagen's vocals had already established the Steely Dan sound with 2 big hit singles
f) Although Katz was Steely Dan's producer they weren't chummy and Becker even cracks in a 1978 interview "Who's Gary Katz...?...oh he's a friend of Donald's!"
h) yes Katz and Fagen seemed to have had a falling out back in the 90s.....but hey that's life...I got a brother I haven't heard from in years.
i) Despite relatively low sales compared to their 70's out put I feel that the 21st century stuff is of high caliber and still a few notches better than a lot of contemporary stuff....but they need to get more literate with the lyrics....too many songs sound like a Wooody Allen or Sienfeld episode.....not that there is anything wrong with that!
trivia note- After being sacked by Steely Dan, David Palmer collaborated on a #1 with Carole King and co-wrote the classic Jazzman, which features Aja hoen arranger Tom Scott......yowzah
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 19:58:28 ET
Posted by: Mitch,
Follow the Bouncing Ball Mitch- No, you follow the bouncing ball you nitwit.
Screw the Cameron Crowe article. It was common sense that Fagen should have been the lead vocalist! That's why he sang on 8 out of the 10 songs on the first record! The only reason he didn't sing on all 10 was because the executives at ABC/Dunhill didn't think the record would sell with only one vocalist. Are you trying to tell me that everyone around at that time from Denny Dias to Jeff Baxter didn't think (and tell) Fagen that he should have been the only singer? Give me a break. Fagen was the ONLY person that didn't want to sing lead! It was Fagen himself (not Katz) that finally decided to take over. Why you ask? Because in Becker and Fagen's own words , "no other singer was able to convey the right attitude to sing our songs". Fagen said: "I had no other choice."
You're giving Gary Katz way to much credit! I'm right, your wrong...look it up. Bounce that!
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 19:40:16 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" For those who pray...say alittle one for my daughter Christabelle.
She is having surgery this morning to repair her back.
Thanks
Craig "
Craig ......
My thoughts and prayers will be with your daughter and the rest of your family .... ALWAYS !
Joey
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 19:20:50 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
I have some Steely Dan Tickets I am trying to get rid of. If interested here is the details: I am not trying to rip anybody off. They are all priced just above cost and fees. Ebay:
1 ticket: 5/14 Clearwater Sec. A, Row BB, Seat 12, auction #320096773848
1 ticket: 5/21 New York City Sec. Loge, Row A(front row), Seat 51, auction #320096774146
2 tickets: 6/10 New York City Sec. Orch, Row N, Seat 40-42, auction #320097260050
Thanks. You can contact me at tpwdrum@twmi.rr.com with any questions or offers?
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 19:10:22 ET
Posted by: Follow the Bouncing Ball Mitch,
Sing-a-long Mitch. You are wrongo. You might want to read a thing or two like maybe the Cameron Crowe article from 77 before you pipe up with your nonsense.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 19:04:47 ET
Posted by: Wanker,
DeaconBlue- You have a point. All though Gary Katz didn't have much success with the records he produced after working with SD. Every record he was involved with sounded amazing! Which is why I'm sure that those groups wanted to work with him in the first place.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 18:26:01 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
It was TJ from danmark that touch the wound with his finger that steely dan today isn't so much about good production but more about the perfect mix.
It's a fact that Steely Dan records don't have the same sophisticated sound as in the earlier days. That christal fresh and clean sound that we heard on Aja, Gaucho and The Nightfly is gone today. That was in my noble opinion the contribution of Gary Katz.
But on the other side let's face the thruth. We are in the 21th century now and that means a new Steely dan and donald fagen but mostly of all older Walter and donald. You can not espect to hear or see the same guys we saw 30 years ago.
That's generally also the critic you hear here in Europe in the press about Walter and Donald. They should listening more to what happens today in contemporary music.
But that's just the problem. You don't hear anything what yiou can call fascinating.In my own opinion Donald and Walter still make high level music but it's true they are old folks now. So What??
Taking those facts in consideration, i hope they will continue to make their music until they have 90 years old. Those guys are exceptional dudes still making exceptional music. Just like Richard said earlier:the songs,profesionalism and production is from a high quality level.
Walter becker and Donald Fagen, better known as Steely dan are real icons in musics hystory. The problem is that few people know or realise that.
So, we can considerate this duo as the greatest composers duo in rocks hystory after Lennon and McCartney. And i put it that way because i have a lot of respect for Paul's and John's works.
But is there someone who can spell me one artists name who made such a great high quality music repertoire as that from Donald and walter.
I remember the words from Rajah a while a go. Donalds and walters music will be remembered in the future the same way as Bach or Beethoven or maybe Puccini.
Yes guys, i know Belgium beer is strong but i can't help it. Fagen and Becker are my God's. And that's a reference because generally i don't believe inn religion shit.
Goodnight fols
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 17:51:11 ET
Posted by: Mitch,
Chris - No.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 17:35:11 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Wasn't it Gary Katz who suggested to Donald that he take over lead vocal duties?
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 16:21:29 ET
Posted by: joeNC, Karsten, here's URL
Contact me about Metzger's site.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:49:18 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
...and best of luck to your daughter, Craig. I trust you'll provide an update or two as time and circumstances permit...
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:47:01 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
AM's site skipped dimensions a while back to...
http://www.steelydanarchive.com/
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:39:48 ET
Posted by: Karsten, Omenhouse'n
I just dropped in and want to say hello to every Steely-Dan-T-Shirt-Owner here. Does anybody know Andy Metzger and if so does anybody know where the former contents of his site was moved?
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:36:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
Craig - my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:31:35 ET
Posted by: Karsten, Omenhouse'n
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:29:50 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
Produced by Gary Katz.
Regardless of its accuracy, reading that line on every album cover was instrumental in my taking to this band. To me, he was the person taking the weirdness in it all and getting the stuff out there under some kind of pretense that it was just ordinary rock music.
Produced by Gary Katz. I miss reading that.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:08:53 ET
Posted by: Gary Katz,
Gary Katz and ROGER NICHOLS. Don't forget the other ingredient to Steely beginnings.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 15:08:09 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
My prayers are with you, your daughter and your family, Craig.
Jim
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 14:49:56 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Craig, I wish Christabelle a successful surgery and quick recovery. My thoughts are with you, your wife and daughter. Godspeed, friend.
G
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 14:36:36 ET
Posted by: LOL,
Milo - If you knew what you were talking about you'd be dangerous.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 14:27:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I'm a fool to do your dirty work
Katz hired and fired people, he made life easier for Donald, he should return to the fold. Donald's not good with the nuts and bolts of all the business stuff, the schmoozing, the stroking, the lying, the negotiating. And on the musical end at this point, Jon told us at the Wiltern that Donald in all these years only once mentioned something about his playing and then thought better of it and said, "never mind." Ohhh, such a strange cat.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 14:19:06 ET
Posted by: The Truth, DC
Fagen and Katz parted ways as business partners back in the 90's
Katz and the boys never even appear together in the "Aja" DVD, save for archival bits.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 14:15:43 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
To the Truth,
Yeah they would have be playing with Jay & The Americans, scoring movies no one would ever see and maybe going on to other musical endeavors like maybe the house band in some club in Greenwich Village. Gary = California & ABC Records and California & ABC Records = Steely Dan. To say there would be a "Steely Dan" without Gary Katz is just plain moronic. Just ask Donald who by the way is Gary's business partner.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 13:51:39 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Craig, hope all goes well. Best to your family. Sincerely, D.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 13:20:19 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
OK hands up - I forgot Gary K and Elliott S - they both did great jobs but the vision is always Donny and Wally
Hey Richard
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 13:01:14 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Milo - Steely Dan would have happened with or without Gary Katz.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 13:01:02 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, here
http://www.smoothviews.com/interviews/franks1206.htm
for those who haven't read it yet, also brief talk of steely dan and such..
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 12:55:20 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
CRAIG B: I'm not a praying man, so my thoughts are with you and your daughter.
A slight Dan moment happened last night while me and the squeeze watched the BBC documentary on 'Top of the pops'
Becker and Fagen's picture was flashed as one of the more unlikely bands to make an appearance on the show during the 70’s.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 12:51:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Craig and Betty - My thoughts and prayers are with the three of you.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 12:22:49 ET
Posted by: Enough, Omaha
Enough of this second rate song writing. Here is the best song ever written in the history of music
I was takin a trip out to L.A.
Toolin along in my cheverolet
Tokin on a number and diggin on the radio
Just as I crossed the Mississippi line
I heard that highway start to whine
And I knew that left rear tire was about to blow
Well the spare was flat and I got uptight
Cause there wasn't a filling station in sight
So I just limped on down the shoulder on the rim
I went as far as I could and when I stopped the car
It was right in front of this little bar
Kind of a red-neck lookin joint called the Dew Drop Inn
I stuffed my hair up under my hat
And told the bartender that I had a flat
And ywould he be kind enough to give me change for a one
There was one thing I was sure proud to see
There wasn't a soul in the place except for him and me
He just looked disgusted and pointed toward the telephone
I called up the station down the road a ways
He said he wasn't very busy today
And he could have somone out there in just about 10 minutes or so
He said," Now, you just stay right where yer at!"
And I didn't bother to tell the darn fool
That I sure as hell didn't have anyplace else to go
So I ordered up a beer and sat down at the bar
When some guy walked in and said, "Who owns this car
With the peace sign, the mag wheels and the four on the floor?"
He looked at me and I damn near died
And I decided that I'd just wait outside
So I laid a dollar on the bar and headed for the door
Just when I wthought I'd get outta there with my skin
These 3 big dudes come strollin in
With one old drunk chick and some fella with green teeth
Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight
In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night
Especially when there was three of them and only one of me
I was almost to the door when the biggest one
Said, "You tip your hat to this lady, son!"
And when I did, all that hair fell out from underneath
They all started laughin and I felt kinda sick
And I knew I better think of something pretty quick
So I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knee
Now he let out a yell that'd curl yer hair
But before he could move I grabbed me a chair
And said "Now watch him Folks cause he's a fairly dangerous man!"
"You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"
He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker hand heavier as I went
"He's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags!
I betchya he's even got a commie flag
tacked up on the wall inside of his garage."
"He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise,
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"
"Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President."
They started lookin real suspicious at him
He jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!"
"I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I aint even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!"
Then he started saying somethin bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy moving and hoping I didn't run outta luck
When I hit the door I was making tracks
And they were just taking my car down off the jacks
So I threw the man a twenty and jumped in and fired that mother up
Mario Andretti wouldda sure been proud
Of the way I was movin when I passed that crowd
Coming out the door and headed toward me at a trott
Now I guess I should of gone ahead and run
But somehow I just couldn't resist the fun
Of chasing them all just once around the parking lot
I had them all out there steppin and fetchin
Like their heads was on fire and their asses was catchin
then I figgered I had better go ahead and split before the cops got there
When I hit the road I was really wheelin
Had gravel flyin and rubber squeelin
And I didn't slow down till I was almost to Arkansas
I think I'm gonna reroute my trip
I wonder if anybody'd think I'd flipped
If I went to L.A., via Omaha
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 12:11:32 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Without Gary Katz THERE WOULD BE NO Steely Dan. Simple fact.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 12:01:22 ET
Posted by: Yeah Right,
Yeah "The Night Fly", "Eye to Eye", "Rosie Vela" and "Love & Money's - Strange Kind of Love" were little albums. Ponce.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 11:52:50 ET
Posted by: make mine with cream, and two lumps
Yeah, Gary was great. The coffee ALWAYS arrived on time. Plus his midas touch on decades of sublime music since 1982 is proof of the talent he brought to the table
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 11:49:47 ET
Posted by: Hey Richard,
Have you ever heard of a gent named Gary Katz?
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 11:41:11 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Producers????????????????
For me Steely Dan, collectively and individually, is all about high quality songwriting, high quality musicianship, high quality arrangements, high quality engineering and mixing and quality production.
There is something unique about a SD album. You don't really hear anything else like it and Donny and Wally don't need some sort of UBER PRODUCER to help them out, no matter how much of a genius Burt Bacharach is (oh yes he is) or how many Grammy's Ricky boy can chalk up (do they mean anything really?).
I would just love to go and watch a SD recording session and a mix session.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 11:33:39 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Dear Blue Family
For those who pray...say alittle one for my daughter Christabelle.
She is having surgery this morning to repair her back.
Thanks
Craig
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 10:20:39 ET
Posted by: new redgarland fan, roppongi
Red Garland is fantastic!
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 09:03:51 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I always loved when the horns matched Dionne Warwick's notes on "Say A Little Prayer". Just sublime. And if you dig that tune you should
really try and track down a song called "The Nicest Things Happen" {Julius Wechter}on a VERY rare Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass album called "Summertime". Hard to find, but well worth the hunt.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 07:45:46 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Gretch cam, I'm flattered as hell. XOXOXO
G
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 05:13:24 ET
Posted by: gretch cam, 3rd rock from the sun
Nice one Raj........Alfie.
Date: Wed, March 28, 2007, 00:30:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Do you know the way to San Jose?
I've been away so long
I may go wrong and lose my way
Do you know the way to San Jose
I'm going back to find some piece of mind San Jose -a
L. A. is a great big freeway
Put a hundred down a by a car
In a week - or maybe two - they'll make you a star
Weeks turn into years and quickly pass
And all the stars there never were a parkin' cars and pumpin' gas
I've got lots of friends in San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Can't wait to get back to San Jose
Wo oh oh oh
Do You know the way to San Jose?
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 22:23:45 ET
Posted by: Hey Bar Keep,
Brain Strainer - That's going to be an easy one for Raj. Let's see if he can give the correct answer without posting the full lyrics.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 22:16:38 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
For the Hal David tune, it was used in 2006 in a movie soundtrack, played during its trailer. It was cool and "mod", when cool WAS cool.
Name the exact song title and the vocalist for the largest selling rendition of that tune.
BONUS: This rendition won a prestigious music award (for some it used to be). Name the specific award and the year.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 21:10:03 ET
Posted by: Chris, Correction...
should be CAN anyone... it's been a long day.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 21:09:21 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Has anyone who's been to the Boston Pavillion tell me about how the "cheap" seats are? I figure the folks sitting there will be a bit more like minded than those shelling out a few hundred for scalped front row seats (they may be more apt to dance, drink, even smoke a little "chiba chiba" as Walt would say). I stopped buying lawn seats at the Tweeter Center when they got rid of half the lawn, but I've heard that the Pavillion is a small place and thus I'm more encouraged to save 40 bucks.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 21:09:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Glad you liked it, my precious girl. How about this one:
Whats it all about...
Alfie?
Is it just for the moment we live?
Whats it all about
when you sort it out,
Alfie?
Are we meant to take more than we give...
Or are we meant to be kind?
And if only fools are kind, Alfie,
Then I guess its wise to be cruel.
And if life belongs only to the strong, Alfie,
What will you lend on an old golden rule?
[Bridge]
As sure as I believe there's a heaven above, Alfie,
I know ther'es something much more,
Something even non-believers can believe in...
I believe in love, Alfie.
Without true love we just exist, Alfie.
Until you find the love youv'e missed
YOU'RE NOTHING, ALFIE.
When you walk,
Let your heart lead the way
And youll find love any day,
Alfie,
Alfie.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 20:23:34 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, black and blue but laughing...
I love that song...it's a bit chauvanistic, but it's got that innocent, almost bubble gummy quality that makes you think of sunshine. I would love to hear Donald covering it, his intonation would be perfect now.
Never mind stacking cutouts at the Strand- while at this Mecca of books this afternoon, I managed to drop a fairly large volume of American watercolors onto my ballet shoe-d foot, I'm still limping. All I can say is !@#$#!! (I mean ouch).
G
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 20:14:41 ET
Posted by: Hal David, probably one of the more sexist and correct lyrics ever penned...
Hey, little girl
Comb your hair
Fix your make-up
Soon he will open the door,
Don't think because
There's a ring on your finger,
You needn't try any more.
For wives should always be lovers too...
Run to his arms the moment
he comes home to you.
I'm warning you...
Day after day,
There are girls at the office
And the men will always be men,
Don't stand him up,
With your hair still in curlers,
You may not see him again.
Wives should always be lovers too,
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you.
He's almost here...
Hey, little girl,
Better wear something pretty,
Something you wear to go to the city,
and...
Dim all the lights
Pour the wine
Start the music,
Time to get ready for love.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 20:00:29 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Didn't Donald say BB's "In The Land of Make Believe" was a major influence on him? I always liked Bacharach's "Wives and Lovers", sung by Jack Jones. The horn and string arrangements are too cool. I'd like to see Donald cover that song!
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 17:23:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Blood Sugar Sex Majik was great record. Anybody who could make that totally incomprehensible Anthony Kiedis palatable deserves an award. Blabba-dabba-shinga-blang-a linga-dow-dow, kau kau coo chaw-sha-lamma. This guy is a Turette's victim. What the devil is he saying? Makes yabba-dabba-doo sound like William F. Buckley. And Flea, that ADHD case running around in a diaper, that goofy encore...hey, wait a minute, now that would be a slammin idea for the next time we have to endure FM as the evening's closer. Don and Walt buck nekked, genitals stuffed in a white athletic sock, construction hard hats with a butane flame up top like human Bunsen burners. That's what the Peppers used to do anyway for the last encore. It was an attention grabber, I must say, I turned to my then-teenage daughter and asked, honey, what is all this? "It's their 'Secret Song' they always do this." The secret was that it was a song on any level.
Dancing With the Stars is not Reality TV. It is a throw-back to the Variety Show days. The Amateur Hour. It's refreshing and an absolute delight, not like that so-spent America Idol. The outfits on those chicks are smokin hot, the band is really good and needless to say, I love the Italian judge who tells the audience to shut-up. That's the best show on the Idiot Box.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 16:44:44 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
Rajah, just remember that ALL OF THOSE GRAMMYS won buy the Dixie Chicks this year WERE produced by Mr. Rubin. I also believe that the reason the Chili Peppers are still relevant is Mr. Rubin. Also, Tom Petty. The guy just pulls the best out of people.
PS - Love Mr. Bacharach BTW, but I HATE ALL REALITY TV. Paddy Chayefsky predicted all of this crap back in 1976. The man was a genius.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 16:26:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Rick Rubin? The scary lookin cat with the beard? He has done everybody but I don't know if Donald could live working under the guy who did Danzig, Slayer, AC/DC and the Butthole Surfers. It would be interesting, though.
TJ that's a very thought provoking analogy you draw there with them filling up the canvass with colors, especially the last two records. Not much blank space on those songs. Would you say the Aja canvass was filled up with colors? Maybe not so much on Black Cow, Deacon Blues and Aja but then I think, no, maybe there weren't as many hues but the ones selected did fill up the canvass. The analogy is well drawn, thank you.
How about Burt Bacharach? BTW, my favorite TV show, Dancing with the Stars (yes, The Rajah looves to cut a rug) has Dionne Warwick on tonight, I think I'm gonna pee myself. Yeah, I know she kinda jumped the shark there with that insane psychic thing she had going but the Burt songs she sung in the 60s and 70s were the bees knees. Alfie, what a tender and touching reading, never strident, never too much, always holding back a little and allowing you to come to the song. So un-Celine. The Valley of the Dolls tune which has the misfortune of being attached to that dopey-ass movie. Say a Little Prayer, You'll Never Get to Heaven if You Break My Heart, what a great verse. Walk on By. I have an anthology of her hits on heavy vinyl that won't get old.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 15:01:10 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Would it be wrong to suggest Steely Dan isn't so much about good production, but more about the perfect mix?
I mean, they don't go for a special sound like Nigel Godrich, Timbaland or any other contemporary producer, but seem to be more interested in wanting the Rhodes to sound like Rhodes and Herington to sound like Herington, but most important to fill the entire picture with as many visible colors as possible.
I suppose it depends on which part of the recording process you call production and which part you call mixing.
To me Steely Dan seems to be about excellent engineering and top notch mixing. But when it comes to sound, they are traditionalists, who goes for that original/traditional sound that makes the music stand out.
Composition first, production second.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 13:47:43 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Rajah,
Mr. Rick Rubin.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 13:40:20 ET
Posted by: Dog eat Dog,
KMITB -
From what I'm hearing the WB record is not even close to being finished. But that won't stop them from playing songs from it this Summer. Wasn't already mentioned that Fagen and Becker will be performing songs from their solo records? It would be a much better idea to have Becker's album come out before the tour. The bathroom breaks would be cut in half if it was released and fans had enough time to check it out. I'm sure that they know this, and I'm sure that they don't care.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 12:03:11 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rose - I'm not too keen on giving out my phone number, but I'd gladly offer up my ssn # and my bank account information if that would help.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 12:01:58 ET
Posted by: Siggy, on the Rathausplatz
Yah, you and me both, I'm sick of all the waltzing already.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 11:59:11 ET
Posted by: Rose, Uk
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Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 11:47:59 ET
Posted by: cseking, Blue Slovakia
Great to see the Dan coming to Europe. Hope they make it to Vienna, Austria too!
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 11:18:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah, forza Italiani...
Bravo Richard and JJ, keep it rolling here at Drumdom.com!
Now please explain what happens with the man behind the cans when I Got The News goes into overdrive in that there bridge...
Still can't believe Mike McD wasn't called upon last summer
to sing his signature bit in IGTN. Sometimes I really wonder about things like that...amongst other things, like, how did Donald's dad get him to mow the lawn or clean out the garage? He seems a little hard to reach.
And can you imagine Donald ever working with a real record producer again? Posing the musical question, who could possibly take on that challenge?
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 11:02:51 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Alkali - "City Lights" was some of my first exposure to Vinnie and I'll never forget hearing that for the first time! I think my reaction went something like: "WHO IN THE F#CK IS THAT??!!"
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:51:52 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
my guess is no.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:46:17 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni
Do you guys think Becker's album will get released before the tour so they can do some songs from it in support of the new disc? Makes sense to me. Just wish there was more news on what's going on with it!!!
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:21:50 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Golem,
Benvenuti ai libro Blue, piacere conosiarti.
Mi dispiace che non ci vengo per it tour Lucchesse, pordarsi ci vediamo nel futuro.
Josey: my heart skipped a beat when I read your mention of “Secrets” what an incredible album that is; his work on it is eye bugging!
He can bombard you with a furious attack as in “City lights” and then gently solace your worried soul as in “Maid Marion”.
What a master.
every time Allan puts out a record he manages to make you appreciate him even more.
Love the Vinnie, I prefer Chad, but I love the Vinnie.
Someone asked about guitar players earlier, you need not look further than Allan and John.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:20:25 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Ann - as to who's the best is a real tough one! Depends on what you like in a drummer. I love a wide variety of drummers for a wide variety of reasons. Carlock's definitely got the "feel" thing down!
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:08:30 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Steve:
Yeah...the Esplanade would be fantastic!! Such a cool location, acoustics, etc. Keep me posted will you if any other good acts are coming? Quite often they don't get posted on the Tourist Board or SISTIC websites until the last minute.
KC: Isn't he just the best by anyone's standards! When I saw him drum, his style reminded me of a mountain stream cascading over rapids!
:-)
Ann
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:06:51 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
I've always thought "I Got The News" had the coolest groove on that album! But then, every other song does too!
The drumming on the song "Gaucho" is also one of my faves. Years ago, I used to think that was Gadd playing that tune. It sounds so much like Gadd to me that I never even considered it was someone else!
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 10:01:17 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
OK for me AJA is a masterclass in peerless drumming and I always say to young drummers that they should get a copy and study it - every track.
Here's my take on it from a drummers perspective
Black Cow – space and playing slightly slower than you want to – discipline
AJA – musicality in the groove and the solo section – orchestration
Deacon Blues – playing the song – relaxing
Peg – you don’t need to play a fill – groove
Home At Last – the half time shuffle - nuff said
I Got The News – sixteenth note bass drum heaven – being busy with your foot
Josie – tricky stuff within a simple groove – doing it differently
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 09:49:02 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Josey
IMHO all the best drumming has a repetitive reference point somewhere be it hi hat snare kick or ride
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 09:29:41 ET
Posted by: lucchese, ITALY
I Dan a casa mia!!! Non ci posso credere!!! Se qualcuno è interessato a raggiungere Lucca da Milano può contattarmi postando qui... vorrei anche andare ad almeno un'altra data del tour europeo, magari a Parigi...coraggio danfans italiani, fatevi sentire!!!
THE DAN IN EUROPE....WOOOWWWWW:)))
Hi U.S. Bluebookers, I live 100 miles from Lucca, a small town in Tuscany...20 miles from Florence...I'm here, if you have something to ask me about my country...I'll go there from Milan...
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 08:00:37 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Richard - yeah, I don't know anyone who can play his stuff WITHOUT cheating!! Nobody else on this planet plays like that guy does! An interesting related side note: that constant bell pattern you hear on "St. Augustine..", "I Hung My Head", etc., was suggested to Vinnie by Sting in an effort to give the listener a familiar reference point.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 07:56:29 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Josey
Yep the end of Seven Days is pure Vinnie - when I play along to Seven Days I cheat like mad and leave out half the notes - just doing the 5/4 is enough for me!!!!!!!!
And don't forget he 'grew up' with Zappa who soon worked out he had fantastic technique and pushed him all the way.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 07:52:31 ET
Posted by: SteveVin, Singapura lah
Hey SS- great to hear from you.....Singapore Venue.....???
A few choices....Indoor Stadium....which holds circa 18,000.....but the main place would be the Esplanade...which is trying to be the Sydney Opera house of the region......we have gotten a lot of jazz related acts lately including Rickie Lee Jones and Tower of Power and Pat Metheny played here last year.....i got to see Bowie a few years back at the indoor stadium and it was very good.....a real alternative would be the out door venue of Fort Canning, which is this big old sprawling estate that wouldn't look too out of place in an old Bond flick ("Government House Mr Bond?).........
If they got the hutzpah to go all the way to manic Tokyo, SIngapore should definitely be in the cards......
I am going to contact some of the promoters in town to see if there is any buzzzzzz!
Poor Rickie Lee Jones...whoever brought her over did a bad job promoting her......her sole concert was.....at 11pm........on a Monday!.....as much as I love her there was no way to get my 40 something self down to see her. In a newspaper article to promote the gig they writer spouted out a list of career highlights.....about...Joni Mitchell!!!
I guess if Steely Dan get here they'll be a lot of questions about the days when Don Henley was their lead singer....har har.....
Singapore and Steely Dan...a match made in everlasting summer heaven!
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 07:49:14 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Richard - What would you call the stuff he's doing at the end of
"Seven Days"?? I mean, for pop music, that's about as "Vinnie" as you're going to get for that genre of music. Granted, he's not getting to blow like he does on something like Alan Holdsworth's SECRETS, but there's still some unmistakable trademark Colaiuta in there. And you're right, there's a lot of great twisted groove...which is something else you don't find very often, if at all, in that style of music. That's one of the things I've always thought was great about Sting - there's just not too many artists out there creating odd time signature hits. And it's odd time because it's what fits the music, not odd time for the sake of odd time.
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 07:43:30 ET
Posted by: Heikki, In the Sauna
Confirmed & official:
Jul 21 - Pori Jazz Festival - Pori, Finland. Tickets on sale April 2
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 04:53:39 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
I remember reading that Keith said Sting wanted stuff much more on top of the beat while the Dan like it just behind the beat.
It s funny how different things sound to different people - you see I think Vinnie's playing on Summoners Tales is all about a twisted groove - Seven Days in 5/4 with very tricky hi hat parts - displaced snare beats all over the place etc but he never gets to really blow.
I've always wondered why Don and Wally haven't used him more because he is incredible and according to DF can do anything he wants on a kit.
They seem to know exactly want they want from their drummers and Don has been quoted as saying that he keeps Keith on a tight leash in the studio but that he is an animal (or was that swamp monster) live, swings like a good'un and has a great groove.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Tues, March 27, 2007, 03:40:29 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"Celine Dion on the old airport runway"
Sounds like a plan to me!! LOL
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 23:38:12 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Ann, Singapore is at least on the right track. In Hong Kong, there's a fabulous 40,000 seat stadium which is completely off limits for concerts. It was suggested once that to shield from noise the wealthy occupants of homes surrounding the stadium that concert-goers to an
Elton John show wear gloves ! The show didn't happen. In fact, shortly after I got here in 1994, the Peter Gabriel concert was one of the first, and last, big shows at that venue.
We too had Oasis....also Celine Dion on the old airport runway.
Now acts have started to come to a convention centre right at the airport. Crowded trains out and back for transport.
The best I've done is Pat Metheny in a place that holds about 2,500.
All this of course excludes the post-SARS relaunch ill-fated Harbourfest. Woah. Prince, Neil Young, the Stones, Santana.....and cost overruns that left led to a government inquiry.
Steely Dan in Southeast Asia ? I don't know if there's an ideal spot..but Singapore would have to be in the running.
Which venue Steve ?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 21:46:20 ET
Posted by: pedantic too,
No, no, to discard the pick entirely was his directive.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 21:32:56 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Hey Steve!
I'll drink (a tomato juice) to that!!!!
We in Asia deserve some breaks! What happened to Singapore's aspirations to become a centre for the arts and entertainment? Nothing much seems to have happened since Oasis were there last year (when our school numbers suddenly fell drastically, as plane-fulls of kids left this fair Isle for the trek to Singapore to see them!!)
Let's keep our fingers crossed that our boys see fit to visit S.E. Asia too!!
Happy Birthday Fife! Fellow Aries, we only get younger!!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 21:07:11 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rajah - something to remember: Vinnie also did some of Faith Hill's work. I can assure you - while he made Faith Hill sound as good as any drummer can, he wasn't doing the "Vinnie stuff" on her records! It's possible he might've laid back a bit on that Sting record too. Or I could be full of shit. Who knows?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 21:02:20 ET
Posted by: Pedantic 1,
Did Sting mean let "loose" on the plectrum as when one strums?
Or pinch it tighly as when one noodles?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 20:41:52 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Singapore
hey If anyone can relay this to people connected to Steely Dan's tour manager:
COME TO SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Three great cities that you can add to the tour:
Shaghai.....Hong Kong......Singapore.......I would also throw in a gig at Kuala Lumpur...............and Brunei of course for Anne!!!!
Those Tokyo gigs are fine....but if you really want to do justice to playing Aja in Asia....ya gotta play in the Lion City...........
SINGAPORE SINGAPORE SINGAPORE
telegram this please
Don/Walt- ....must play Singapore...stop....cool concert hall....stop.....great food....stop....4 million potential 'Dan fans....stop....clean city....stop......pretty......hot.... stop....kopi tiam.....stop.....tiger beer....stop....Singapore Sue.....stop.....great Malay food.....stop.....roti prata....stop....orchard road.....stop.....so hot your eyes balls will sweat stop....can learn to say steely dan in mandarin....stop....
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 20:20:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Vinnie? Subdued? He must have been under some heavy scutiny from Sting cause while he might be laying around in the pocket or floating backwards at the speed of light, he always seems to bubble up and come busting out with something extremely sick. Vinnie is a mench, I recall speakin to a vibe player at Victor Feldman's tribute down to the Local 47 a few summers ago whose name I can't recall, damn it, who told us Vinnie did sessions gratis for him and his boys. That's a heartwarming compliment if ever I heard one specially considering what Vinnie's daily quote must be at this point.
Some article I read recently about The Police's rehearsals up in Vancouver for this reunion tells a tale of Andy Summers grinding through some old Police tune, When the World is Running Down I think, and Sting stopping midstream cause things didn't sound quite right to him. He turns to Summers and says simply, "the pick." Summers hardly ever used one in The Police days but had taken one up for this tune. Sting was telling him curtly that he should loose the plectrum. What a load he must be. But he's the Maestro, he's the songcrafter so I guess Andy lost the pick.
God I sound like such a pedantic old fart with these apocryphal tales...
I like Genesis, yeah, they got out of hand in the MTV video days but tunes like Paperlate still acquit themselves with rock n roll flash.
Happy birthday to a very fine and dear lady, our Fiona, aka fife. Coolest grandma around...
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 20:02:35 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
In the hard rock guitar world, I always enjoyed the Van Halen boy. Lately, There is this guy named Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal who is incredible. He is also one of the guitarists in the Guns n' Roses. He kind of makes you forget about Slash. Also, this freak named Buckethead. Very shredder type guitarists. Out
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 19:53:54 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, This could be the cool part of the summer...
Gail - The Harbor Pavillion is an outdoor venue right on Boston Harbor. I can imagine it will be pretty cold with the wind whipping off the water at the end of May. I just realized that the 28th of May is Memorial Day. The boys are in town the next two days, Tuesday and Wednesday. What a way to kick off the summer!
The Sox are hosting Cleveland those 3 days - maybe Donald's family will be in to watch the Tribe and catch a show. Hmmmm.
Here's a link to the Pavillion. They haven't posted the schedule yet:
http://www.livenation.com/venue/getVenue/venueId/496
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 19:21:52 ET
Posted by: Phil Collins,
Well, I still like us.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 17:44:24 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rajah - my response was to the post about Sting shutting down the use of ghost notes and I guess to the bigger issue of what Sting allows for with his drummers. Since I never saw Carlock perform with Sting, I can't speak to that specifically. But having most of everything Sting's put out, he seems, to these ears, to give his drummers enough room to groove. And with TEN SUMMONERS TALES, I'd say he let Vinnie just have at it...as evidenced by what's being played on "Seven Days", "Love Is Stronger Than Justice", "St. Augustine In Hell"..to name a few. On the next release MERCURY FALLING, Vinnie's playing seemed awfully subdued in comparison. Who knows if that was Sting's call or was it just Vinnie playing what he thought the music called for?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 17:36:14 ET
Posted by: Peter Gabriel,
They lost me after ABACAB and 3 Sides Live. Lamb Lies Down was da berries.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 17:26:25 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I just scored two tickets to Genesis at the Hollywood Bowl. Their Turn it on again VIP package is $575 a pop!
Don't stray too far from Donald and Walter, but are there any other Danfans out there who also enjoy Genesis?
I love the lamb.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 17:19:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Give up on your friend, Satriani is fast but I don't hear any soul.
Well, JJ, Vinnie was already Vinnie when he played with Sting, a major dude. Keith was still cutting his teeth when Donald found him. He had to prove himself plus did Keith really have any rock & pop experience pre-SD?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 16:12:22 ET
Posted by: Va Fan Cuolo,
ATTN Guitarists:
I've got a guitar playing pal who thinks Joe Satriani and Van Halen are the end.
I'm trying to get him to check out Larry C./Wadenius/Krantz/Stern, et al on SD official and bootleg releases. He LIKES them but still prefers Satriani. Is it just me but Satriani doesn't really possess the collective chops as the above mentioned SD alums.
Thoughts? Feelings?
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 15:52:52 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
If you really wanna see what Carlock is all about you should check out the Modern Drummer DVD from 2005. He does something heart stopping with Wayne Krantz and Tim Lefevre and then there's an interview which he does a sort of instructional lesson on his techniques, giving examples of something he might do at 55 Bar, something he might do with Sting, and something he might do with Steely Dan. Ooohwheee!
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 15:46:26 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Not sure what arrangement Sting had with Carlock as far as creative license, but he DAMN sure let Vinnie be Vinnie on TEN SUMMONERS TALES!! I'd say he also gave Omar Hakim all the ghost notes he wanted on DREAM OF THE BLUE TURTLES! Now that I'm thinking about his cd's, Manu Katche did some really tasty stuff on NOTHING LIKE THE SUN. Who knows if any of these guys got to play exactly what *they* wanted to play, but they certainly got to play what was right for the music, in my worthless opinion anyway.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 15:41:57 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Hats and hooters
Happy birthday to Fife, the best friend a girl could ever have!!!
Many more, Fionna!!
xoxoxo
G
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 15:34:35 ET
Posted by: deaconblue, brussels
Yes Lee, our beer is very strong but very tasty too. You should try one.
No of course, i've no the pretention to tell how they have to use their musiciens. It's a simple change of thoughts.
If they are using KC just the way they do, it's surely because they have their reasons. So who am i to tell the opposite.
But i'm sure that KC have more capacities then he's shown us as so far.And like i said: the Donald Fagen version of TWM was better than the Steely Dan one just because of Keith. That's a strange thing because in both cases we had KC on the drums.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 14:38:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They are merely observations, comments and critiques. Donald calls the shots and he's not our jukebox, he's made that eminently clear. I wish you all could have seen the look on Walter's face at Soboba when it came time on the setlist to play Dr. Wu and Don put the kabosh on it when he turned back up to Freddie and Keith. The expression was a very perplexed, "WHA?????"
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 14:07:57 ET
Posted by: Lee,
DEACONBLU - Trying to tell Donald Fagen and Walter Becker how to use there own drummer(s)? Boy, I know that Belgium beer is strong but please!
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 14:01:35 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
You said it right rajah.
We need more Kc and no less. His drumsessions on EMG and MTC are generally quiet dry and stereotypic. But he's a great drummer,probably one of the best of the world at this moment.
In my personnal opinion, his SD or Fagen contributions are better live than in studio. But what this guy needs his more artistic space and freedom. I said it earlier and i repeat it again, during the two Donald Fagen concerts in LA and Temecula KC did a great job on por example Black Cow and Third world man. I think it was the best Third world man version i ever heard. Yes better than on Alive in America.
So give the Kid the time and the opportunity to explose and developing himself.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 14:00:12 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
It went something like this
Sting : Say Keith, what are all those little notes on the snare
KC : Ghost notes Gordon
Sting : Oh OK - can we have less of them?
Probably not like that but the same end result although Keith still gets them in
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 13:25:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Funny, I was going to mention Green Earrings as a great showcase for Keith. Another great bridge and during the piano solo right in there, KC (and others) have had a nice chance to stray from the groove and explore a bit.
So Sting gave him less room than SD, surprising. Although Sting certainly does have a history of issues with the man behind the kit.
How great was he on the title track from 2vN? He told us he even played percussionist on it, the handclaps are his. It's a big loop really, I know, but there's something about the way it builds and it's very arrogant in its way. It bullies its way along the whole way. Great syncho with his left the way only a guy who has that great whipping action with his left could deliver.
Josie got the short shrift I note with some dismay last year and so far this year. We need more Keith, not less. I would think Donald would welcome a short nap in there. It's like he can't wait to leave and bolt the stage. Party poop.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 11:20:14 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Raj
Thanks for the comments and I know what you mean.
It is a different KC live and on record - listening to EMG was the reason I got back into drumming and MTC just underlined what a great groove Keith has - all those ghost notes, the kick drum stuff, all great.
Live with Dan and Don he manages to get the balance right - great groove when needed and then suddenly blasts it - those are great drum parts any drummer would love to play with D&W and I think Keith takes them somewhere else - Green Earrings is a good example and Aja in fact.
And yes perhaps Wally will let him off the lease a bit - here's hoping.
Wayne Krantz's web site has loads of downloads with Keith and Anthony Jackson among others - now that is KC blowing and showing off his chops.
I saw him with Sting and he was able to do a bit more but overall I think he gets a better blow with SD to be honest.
Talking of Dennis the C, with Santana he was just a groove machine - no flash just good groove.
Lets face it SD have used the best drummers, the parts are some of the best around and I would say to every drummer out there get a copy of AJA, study it and learn from it (don't try and crack the title track too soon either).
I think its the best teaching aid for drummers there is.
Cheers
Richard
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 09:37:11 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Hoops congrats!
Auguri e cent'anni!
ART P: don't even go there!!
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 08:50:54 ET
Posted by: BOA, Pavillion
is on the T line, and the show will likely be over before the trains stop running, so as long as you stay somewhere on the line you're all set.
Date: Mon, March 26, 2007, 07:17:51 ET
Posted by: angel, Rave on my sleek and soulful cyberqueen
Am I the only one who caught the sly humor in the Article that Alan in Australia posted. Steely Dan playing in Roppongi? This is definitely the time to dust off Pixeleen and let it rip! We know they know how to play it, right Jim? :-)
Pixeleen
Born in the bogs of Jersey
Trained how to love and spy hard
Dropped on the streets of Roppongi
Soaked through on the floor of a noodle shop
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 21:47:49 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, medaled, no trophy
So...I have just survived a weekend of soccer on brand new spanking fields(read: recently converted cow pastures) and an emergency pedicure visit and a weekend of anticipating....
Word up to those in Boston. What is the BOA pavillion like and where are good accomodations? Thank you!
My favorite swag (or at least my runner up) is the 2003 baby doll t-shirt that I packaged and sent to Honey Bunn in Scotland. Swag of Ages, indeed!
I do run the international desk, after all.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 21:44:35 ET
Posted by: A Goof a Buzz, US
Barring compilation packages, AIA is the only legit SD release that I have only purchased once. No DVD-A, no remasters. I'm sure the record company will read this and get on it.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 21:32:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I always thought it was also Dennis Chambers behind the kit on the great Reelin in the Years live cut from August 1994 in Chicago. That just has to be him, his attack is unmistakable. Have I been laboring under a misconception all these years?
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 20:16:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
Rajah, Dennis Chambers was 1994...the Wadenius year...
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 19:11:48 ET
Posted by: prez logic, West Augusta
Happy 14th Anniversary Hoops! I can not express myself any better than the previous posters so ditto it is.
Also, yesterday was an anniversary of sorts for yours truly. One year (and a day) ago at the Donald Fagen Band show in Las Vegas a fellow "I Love All Access" 5 star guest told me about dandom.com, which of course I viewed the following day, and have since. I would have loved to have known about you guys years ago.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 17:01:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah Redux,
We haven't heard KC's work on Wally's new one, who knows, maybe WB lets that dog run and hunt much more than DF. Here's hoping.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 16:45:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Richard, Keith is indeed a very talented player, beautiful technique, such a thrill to see somebody still using the old fashioned technique on the grips, the Moeller method which I've droned on about for a while here. Good enough for Krupa, Buddy Rich, Louis Bellson. Gimme that old time religion, folks. And KC's a real showman, he rises to the occasion whenever called upon. He shines on Aja and Josie. He's powerful, he's boudacious, he can really drive the truck. The problem I see looming for KC is that Donald and Walter don't utilize the breadth of his talent, he's not being stretched eith live or on record. As the drum chair for Steely Dan, he is asked to color between the lines too much, IMHO. He keeps impeccable time for this band but he is capable of so much more. I saw Dennis Chambers recently with Mike Stern at the Catalina Club. As you recall, DC toured with SD in ther 90s. Can't recall the exact year, he was back to back on tours with Peter Erskine, another superb and storied player. Anyway, Chambers ain't no spring chicken anymore and he was awesome (there's that word) live. All the ornamentation, the subtlty, the quiet storm and rolling thunder, the grace notes, all so thrilling. And of course it's a different musical idiom he's executing with Stern but what he too was asked to do with SD was only maybe a third of what he displayed that evening. And it might be the very same with Keith. As much as I admire his ability, I'd hate to see him stuck behind two, stay with me now, aging rockers who need to hear that downbeat as loud and steady as possible.
Keith should move on, as much as I'd hate to see him go. Clearly, his best years are ahead of him and he needs stimuli that Donald and Walter are not in a place to provide. hate to say it but he probably got more room with Sting than Steely Dan. Anyway, he's big time and could have his choice of anybody's crew out there. I'd like to see him with Krantz and RCray.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 14:17:52 ET
Posted by: Richard, Bristol Uk
Hoops
Congrats on the anniversary - for us steely starved Brits you've kept us up to date with all things Dan - thank you
And yes two things arre certain for 2007
1. I will get to see SD in Birmingham UK
2. Keith Carlock will confirm his status as the current No 1 drummer
Cheers
Richard
PS My band is looking for a bass player - anyone out there?????????
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 13:56:48 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
I never once doubted that crossing the water three times, twice for Steely Dan and once for Donald's solo outing, were going to be anything less than memorable experiences.However, notwithstanding the usual Mastercard implications, they have all thankfully turned out to be not only that, but have each in their own special way turned out to be truly unforgettable occassions that I can now happily take with me to the grave.
They have all been made infinitly richer by giving me the opportunity to meet, drink, eat, have the craic with and in one outstanding act of generosity (take a bow here Mr.B.Rag !) stay rent free with people I feel genuinly proud to be able to think of as and call my friends...Hoops, Mark, Bill, Connie, Margaret, Fezzie, Chan...
However, and not in a Gwyneth blubbing sort of a way, none of this would have been made possible without the BLUE. Cheers, Happy Birthday and very many thanks Jim.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 09:41:52 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hoops,
It was a happy day last summer when I stumbled upon dandom.com
and this bluebook. It has been the source of much enjoyment and
humor. It has even given me the opportunity to meet many great
people, both at Chumash and online. Thank you.
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 08:36:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Congratulations Hoops on 14 great years. Thank you for a creating such a great community!
Fife
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 07:51:53 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
MANYTHANKSHOOPSMON!!!!!!
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 07:50:52 ET
Posted by: Art P.,
Mary, shut the garden door!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17779725/
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 05:18:54 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Erm.....actually, HRH is Cancer, but Leo is my most compatable sign.
However, although I very much appreaciate the humour behind this post, are you trying to get me kicked out of here? This is my home and I know the limits....and baby, you've just gone way beyond them in the public domain.
:-)
Ann
Date: Sun, March 25, 2007, 01:39:30 ET
Posted by: Sultan of Brunei, my seaside tent
Miss Ann, we continue read with great edification and interest your posts on the Blue and are not unaware of all your fine work here in my little corner of the island, bringing a touch of culture and beauty to my barbarous people. I have by chance some free time during the period the mighty Steely Dan is touring Japan. I was wondering perhaps if you would allow me to buy them for you? No, not tickets dear, I propose to buy these dogs Donald Fagen and Walter Becker for you to dispose of as you please. Yes, the Light of Daibue is a great fan of the Steely Dan, many people are unaware of the fact. Except for that Kings and The Royal Scam, I would have had their right hands severed and fed to swine for those efforts. But we are of a forgiving nature at heart and have always found The Fez quite pleasing. If your Ladyship would see fit, I will have this Donald and Walter brought over to you in cages. I'll starve and have them whipped prior so that they will be willing to play any selections that you seem suitable or die a thousand deaths if they should decline.
Let my Chancellor know your pleasure, Ravishing Diamond from a distant island, you are the Wind and I am your Lion and I long to see us riding through the heavens on a silver cloud as soon as I can possibly rid myself of these 47 wives who keep making impossible demands upon my purse and person. Do you like sushi? I'm a Leo, BTW, check me out on mySpace sometime.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 23:51:52 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
YIKES!!!!
I'd better start doing the lottery!!
These Japanese heavy rollers spend money big time! The poorer ones come all the way here just to play golf, as it's cheaper than playing in Japan!!! I bet the tix for that place are thousands! Oh, but to see our boys with just 300+ real fans........ however, one suspects that many there will be corporate guests who have probably never heard of the Dan.
Dream on....................
:-)
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 21:32:04 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Good times ahead...
Jim – Congratulations on 14 years publishing the Dandom Digest. It’s been an invaluable service to all Steely Dan fans around the world. I don’t know how you find the time to be an educator, a tech wizard, a moderator, a FAN, a psychologist, a peacemaker, a friend. You wear many hats, and you wear them well! Thank you.
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 19:25:41 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
Great rajah.
I tumbled in that april joke three years afetr the fact. I'm feeling just like an idiot, but a happy one. But we've got to admit that such a things can be virtual reality. the showbizz is really a great shit.
Marketing to make big money is dominating the whole industry. A mentality such like "today we've got Beyonce, Aguilera or other lopez's, but if they are not selling enough anymore tommorow, well don't worry we've got other ones", is in today.
The other day iwas discussing with friends who are big R&B fans about the quality of those Hollywood stars.
My argument was that there was no way to compare them with the Soulmstars of the sixties or seventies.integrity doesn't excist anymore.I stopped the discussion by playing "Show bizz Kids" dedicating to the modern dudes of the actual musicindustry.
By the way, i received a confirmation mail from holland that Steely dan will be at the "North sea jazz festival" in Rotterdam. that's nothing really new considirating that it was already announced on the jeff Young website ,but it's nice to know.
Like i said earlier,tickets for Lucca Italy are on sale this monday.
Tickets will be aviable between 35 and 52 euros (45-68 USD).
And finally i was wondering me if our boys are going to make a more jazier setlist than we are used. Not really important to me but i was just wondering.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 19:16:18 ET
Posted by: alan , Shellharbour AU
Here's another link about the club...
http://www.tokyo-midtown.com/english/shop/list06.html
Billboard Live TOKYO Club & Restaurant
A club and restaurant where you can enjoy supreme bliss with the best music. The live concerts feature select artists from Japan and overseas who perform at world-class standards.. With its refined dishes and drinks served in a luxurious space, this place is sure to touch your heart.
I can't even imagine how much these concerts will cost.
These sound like they are definitely Heavy Roller venues.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 19:05:11 ET
Posted by: alan, check out the last paragraph guys
Steely Dan To Open Billboard Live Tokyo Venue
March 22, 2007 - Global | Touring
By Steve McClure, Tokyo
Steely Dan will be the first act to play the new Billboard Live Tokyo venue, which opens Aug. 18.
Other acts scheduled to perform at Billboard Live Tokyo include Jill Scott, Joe, Aleksander With, Babyface and Amerie, according to Osaka-based Hanshin Contents Link, which last September signed a master licensing deal for Japan with Billboard publisher Nielsen Business Media (then known as VNU Business Media).
The 10,763-sq.-ft., 320-seat venue is located in the new Tokyo Midtown development in the Japanese capital's Roppongi entertainment district. Opening dates and artist line-ups for the Osaka and Fukuoka Billboard Live venues, now operating under the Blue Note brand, will be announced toward the end of April, Hanshin said today.
Acts will typically play two sets an evening during a week-long engagement.
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i692047c82c44863f734d9d05297e23ec
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 18:45:45 ET
Posted by: Midnight Sun, brrrrr
Hamingjusamur Fæðingardagur Blár , langur mega þú hlaupa!!
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 17:47:20 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
WOW Jim, 14 years, kudos are definitely in order then.
I have to agree with Little Wild One's comment. I know by finding this website many years ago and meeting the many wonderful people associated with it has indeed changed my life for the better.
Thanks for everything...
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 16:36:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
James, great commitment, great passion, great success. True success, the kind that counts the most. You seem like a big cuddly bear on the outside but in reality you are Steel, young man, and for that you have the respect of your community. This was well done.
LWO - Did I hear you say I was RIGHT about something? Was that you, are you OK, honey? Let me feel your forehead ... just as I thought, you're burning up. Lie down, have a cup of jasmine tea, light a candle and let's calmly re-think this.
No DB, that story was just yankin our collective schwantzes. Besides, Steely Dan has done a lot of their own marketing to drugstores, supermarkets, elevators and radio talkshows. Now conventions, casinos and outdoor festivals. Who would have ever predicted that 30 years ago from the Dour Duo of Doomsday?
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 16:21:08 ET
Posted by: Chan, Thanks Hoops!
Congratulations on 14 years Hoops!!! The Blue, Digest and the Green Room have brought many Steely Dan fans together over the years. Many thanks to you for sharing your passion with all of us.
I know all will agree that it certainly has made the music sound that much better over the years.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 14:48:16 ET
Posted by: April fool, Here
It wasn't a bad joke - it was a great April Fool's Day joke a year or three ago.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 12:09:55 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto
Anyone got 1 or 2 Niagara tickets for sale?? Email me. Thanks.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 09:56:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Happy Birthday Blue and thank you Jim for all that you do and thanks to all the posters you have made it a interesting ride.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 09:43:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
..I picked up the newspaper this morning, and a little banner across the top said HOOPS HYSTERIA...wow, it's great to see the Blue is getting the anniversary coverage it deserves!!!
Happy anniversary Hoops!!!
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 09:07:45 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, you KNEW I'd have to "chime one in," here, right?
Please indulge; sorry.
Slow down, you crazy child
you're so ambitious for a juvenile,
but then if you're so smart
tell me why are you still so afraid?
Hmm?
Where's the fire, what's the hurry about
Y'better cool-it-off before you burn-it-out
you've got so much to do
and only so many hours in a day,
Hey...
But you know that when the truth is told
you can get what you want, or you can just get old, you're gonna
kick off, before you even get halfway through,
Ooh,
why don't you realize
Vienna waits for you?
Slow down, you're doin' fine
you can't be everything you wanna be before your time,
although it's so romantic on the
borderline, tonight
tonight
Too bad, but it's the life you lead,
you're so ahead of yourself that you forgot what you need
(though you can see when you're wrong, y'know
y'can't always see when you're right)
You're right
You've got your passion, y'got your pride, but
don'tcha know that only fools are satisfied,
Dream on, but don't imagine they all come true
ooh,
When will you realize
Vienna waits for you
Slow down you crazy child,
and take the phone off the hook and disappear for a while
It's alright, you can afford to lose a day or two,
ooh,
Why don't you realize
Vienna waits for you?
When will you realize
Vienna waits for you?
"Heaven in the headphones," as I used to say, friends and neighbors: someday, Rajah, you and I should talk about THE STRANGER, and what it means to a small-town boy like me...and again, sorry! I just had to sing that one for ya. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 08:09:50 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
For those who are going to make the Italian trip this summer. Tickets are aviable monday 26 march at www.ticketone.it
Good luck.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 07:49:21 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I just read Hoops latest Dandom digest.
Is there someone who can tell me what that "Consolidated Music Holdings acquires Steely Dan" story is all about??
IS THAT A JOKE??
I really didn't know about it. And how did that story ends??
I knew the showbussines was intoxicated and rotten since Michael Jackson bought the rights of The Beatles but ....this is overpassing my imagination. This is a real nightmare.
I remember a live DVD from the Eagles halfway the 90's, where Don Henley was declaring the war to the pervers showbizz. That was nothing more tha a very cynical remark or declaration.
I'm feeling very sad about the idea Donald and Walter never are going to record under Steely dan and that such a Industrial Fascist bastards are going to do superprofits with sweat and blood of others.
This is the badest and darkest side of capitalism.
I hope this was a invented story, a kind of joke.
In the other case i think we cannot let it happens. I know we do not have the power to counter such a Artcrime but we've got to try something.
Just like during the Spanish civil war, i should say "No pasaran".
But everyone knows that they passed.
So Hoops, Rajah or someone else: please tell me that this is just a bad joke !
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 06:22:07 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, too early for a Sat.
Well, well, another SD newsletter in my mailbox this a.m. What is that three for this tour? I don't recall more than one for last summer's egg-travaganza. Interesting....
Lurker Ray, that concert sounds like fun. I always appreciated Jim Webb's songwriting abilities. Raj is right, for once maybe, about beautifully crafted words.
Looking forward to a jazz experience with the opening act, too. Like the old adage goes, something old, something new, something borrowed (he he), something Blue.
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 00:10:01 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @itchty hrfs
Hoops
Its been quite a ride and still so much more to come
Your patience and guidance is valued,along with
the years of friendship
Ed (hfs roseland) Beatty
Date: Sat, March 24, 2007, 00:08:40 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @itchty hrfs
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 23:14:40 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
**HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EVERYONE!!!**
Wow, 14 years. Seems so long ago.
Can you say, "CompuServe" anyone?!!
I must admit it made me sad to read
all of those old posts and reminisce
about those great, LONG 2 set shows.
Sadly I believe those days are over.
I thank my lucky stars that I was at
least able to witness Soboba & San Diego
last year. I just don't buy this whole,
"well they are getting older" as a reason
for these shorter and greatly "more expensive"
Steely Dan shows. Take for example the
KILLER show I saw at a little 400 seat
theater literally right in my "backyard"
at Pepperdine two weeks ago. Glen Campbell
and Jimmy Webb. Glen is 70 and he and
Jimmy did two LONG sets with an intermission.
And if you think Glen has lost a step, well
you are gravely wrong. Perfect voice, both
he and Jimmy and man can Glen still rip that
guitar. I don't use the term, "jaw-dropping"
lightly. Both Brian Wilson & Arlo Guthrie
were in the house to see this mesmerizing
evening with two of Pops elder statesmen.
Lastly, I would like to thank you Jim for
14 years of outstanding service. I know
you & I don't always see "eye to eye", but
damn it this site and your service is just
essential to all of us here. So, THANK YOU!
"And the Chicago Steely Dan Online Man
is still Online"
Love & Happiness to you all hear on the Blue.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 22:37:17 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Happy Birthday Dandom Digest and all that followed!!
Words can never express my gratitude to you Jim, and of course, our boys!
LWO: How right you are! So many of our lives have been affected by the power of Dandom!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 22:25:23 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Happy Birthday Blue!!!
Thanks for all that you have done over the years for the Steely Dan community. It is deeply appreciated. Long may you run.
The tour sounds exciting and I am so happy for all of the folks who don't usually get a shot at the Steely Dan Experience. Hope that it is everything that you could wish for!
Peace in a war-filled world ~
almost gothic
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 22:17:01 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, Grasping at straws?
Did anyone else notice a certain 1994 post in Hoops' digest was addressed from a "Lexi Farralon" ?
Lexi and Lewis "Fairlawn", anyone?
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 22:02:52 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, getting ready for a weekend of soccer
Dearest Jim,
Congratulations on this year's milestone. You have no idea how many lives have changed because of you!
We love you!
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 21:05:07 ET
Posted by: Reading and lurking, /This free lesson in another language brought to you from somewhere in "Sverige"
Jim,
Hjärtliga gratulationer på Dandom Digests 14-årsdag och tack för allt du gör för oss danfans!
- - - -
Jim,
Congrats on 14 years with the Dandom Digest and thanks for all you do for us Danfans!
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 20:51:59 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
YIKES!!!! JAPAN!!!!!
Come ON Guys!!!!!! Just a bit further south and you're here in Darkest Borneo....where there's the neatest Stadium for your music in Jerudong Park....P-L-E-A-S-E come to Brunei.....!! But if not, please do Singapore on a weekend.
ALAN and JERI:
Try Royal Brunei Airlines for a quote (through a travel agent), they fly in to Sydney and also Japan....and as you change planes in Brunei, you can have a few pre-wedding days here with me too!! Free tour by an expert guide thrown in! Bring your own booze though, can't buy it here!
Rajah:
Thanks for the "Year of the Cat" posting, you just reminded me to get it out and give it a spin!
Peace to all.....this year just gets better and better!
Ann
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 20:49:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thank you as always, dear Jim.
To all our brothers and sisters on this here planet: let there be peace on earth and let it begin with Blue.
Salute!
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 19:10:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
A couple editions of the Dandom Digest were mailed earlier today, one covering from March 20-22 and the other is a special 14th Birthday edition of the Dandom Digest.
If you are a subscriber, you should see both in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive them, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of the Dandom Digest for March 20-22,2007:
• Japan Shows! Celebrate Aja's 30th in Japan!
• REDUX: How come no date in (insert your non-eastern, N. American city here)?
• Why are The Dan ignoring Australia again?
• I'm off to London!
• Thanks for the info
• Set Lists
• The Danfest Season is Young
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. " . . T H E . . S W A G . . W E . . L O V E . . "
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• ENTRY #3-REVISED: "The Swag I Love...Visors Down"
• ENTRY #6: The Swag We Love
• ENTRY #7: "Swag of Ages"
• ENTRY #8: The Swag I Love Is....
• ENTRY #9: The swag I love...
• REDUX: "Morph The Cat" One Year Later
• MTC. One year on
• REDUX: Stay in touch with Official Steely Dan News
Meanwhile, the subjects of the edition dated March 23, 1993-2007 are:
• 14th ANNIVERSARY OF THE DANDOM DIGEST
• Looking Back...A Few of Many Personal Favs
• - 1993: Detroit Review (U Got To Shake It Baby, U Got 2 Shake It)
• - 1993: "Steely Dan Kids"
• - 1993: Steely Dan Dream Play List
• - 1994: DREAM PLAY IN THREE SCENES
• - 1995: ROSELAND REPORT: Concept #2
• - 2000: ANOTHER MEDIUM: Letterman interviews Steely Dan
• - 2006: Consolidated Music Holdings Acquires Steely Dan, others
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious (and much more glamorous) Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill.
jim
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 18:44:48 ET
Posted by: Salt of the Earth,
Etlay emthay aketay Amsay Ahelyay ithway emthay otay Europeway.
Ivegay usway Oebephay Owsnay. Ewscray emway.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 18:43:55 ET
Posted by: Gaucho, Barcelona
Tengo fe que mis idolos van a pasar aqui en espana.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 18:38:33 ET
Posted by: el suprimo, sf
The Bluebook only in English and for Americans?
That smells National Fascism
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 16:55:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Che gioia qui, carissimi! Soltanto i figli di puttane si freggono sta sera...
Fuck em.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 16:40:35 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Fife--
Is this the same Danfest Steve and Brynn and the "Countdown to Ecstasy" Crew are planning for Wolf Trap? The Balt DC/ CTE groups is one of the largest and one of the busiest with Danfests even in off years since they organized in 2000.
Jim
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 16:13:56 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Jenny,
There are whisperings of a Danfest here in Baltimore. E-mail me and I'll send you the info.
Fife
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 14:08:19 ET
Posted by: Jenny, Fredneck, MD
Announcement for Summer Schedule at Wolf Trap coming Monday, March 26th. Probably this will give an indication about ticket sale dates
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 12:59:49 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
In response to the person who commented reproachable concerning the English language existing as primary and ‘ne plus ultra’(as the Latini would say) which means un rivaled for any Latin challenged in the audience today, I must side with the Anglican camp here since it is natural and customary to acclimate oneself to an existing environment.
Fact is the band; the majority of its fans and the creator of the blue are American we should all try to stay within its guidelines and parameters.
And so English should be the primary blue language.
Thank you very much.
With that said, I came across an interesting review from an Italian music mag entitled
“I told you so”:
I told you so
In the past it was most refreshing this anticipation of a new Dan Steel disc to de-cellophane, spin and plunge brains first into.
I used to call it the Layer exercise since the process would take me through stages or layers.
This first Layer consisted of allowing each song to play through uninterrupted one after the other without much effort spent deciphering the lyrics or breaking down the music itself but rather assigning the album an overall feel or color.
I assign colors to whole songs much like musicians do with chords, it’s an individual thing.
Examples: Royal Scam gets a percussive feel and the color red.
Gaucho gets a California feel and the color yellow.
AJA gets a desire feel and the color blue.
Sometimes I’ll give an album a couple of colors to correspond with its complexity
Example: Katy Lied gets an ambitious feel and the colors red and blue.
If at all possible I try to limit my color palette to primary colors not unlike Seurat’s approach to painting.
I tried to assign the color purple to Katy Lied since it’s the combination of the aforementioned blue and red however, it did not fit because the individual songs, IMO are either of these two colors and not a mixture.
Once I’ve decided on the overall feel of the album I then delve deeper into its content.
beginning with the music and the individual players who perform it without getting too lengthy here let me just say that I break down each song and into instrumental subsets.
(For a further and more in-depth reading please see my past album reviews)
I then dive into lyrical composition.
This is where it gets fun for me because I’m a writer by trade and adore the written word and manipulation of language; there are so many levels of characters, places and situations to these songs that the listener comes away seriously wondering if these characters actually exist in any given city and to what end.
Steely Dan seems to tear chunks from a novel rather than a cut and paste method alla W.S.Burroughs.
To this listener and writer the real muscle behind a Steel Dan isn’t so much the head or shaft or even veins but its spurt, its liquid production, if you will.
And although it’s been said ad nauseum about these guys, irony is their child.
And the whole child is larger than the sum of its parts.
Or more importantly you are left with a phrase that is never uttered by the musical machine “I told you so”
Listen for it on everything from “Do it again” to “Everything must go”
I told you so.
---I.O. Tilodetto
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 11:50:24 ET
Posted by: heymike, enough already - this is for you
This is for all the lonely people
Thinking that life has passed them by
Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup
And ride that highway in the sky
This is for all the single people
Thinking that love has left them dry
Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup
You never know until you try
Well, I'm on my way
Yes, I'm back to stay
Well, I'm on my way back home (Hit it)
This is for all the lonely people
Thinking that life has passed them by
Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup
And never take you down or never give you up
You never know until you try
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 11:28:48 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Chris for the Sam tip
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 11:06:35 ET
Posted by: Enough Already,
Alkali , Dr.Mu and Rajah - Please get your own chat room. You guys can all get together and post the lyrics to any songs you want. This way you won't have to subject the rest of us to your nonsense.
Raj- Another great quote:
"How dry I am"
Foster Brooks
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 11:04:09 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh.ma
Here's the record I know Sam Yahel from:
http://www.amazon.com/Momentum-Joshua-Redman-Elastic-Band/dp/B0006TL9I2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-3246469-9126853?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174665733&sr=1-2
Check out Sweet Nasty, Put It In Your Pocket, Shut Your Mouth, and the Zep cover The Crunge.
Sam plays keyboards and bass keys on all these songs. A few others have a guest bassist.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 10:56:19 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, fox-hole
Roger Friedman has historically penned fine reviews for Steely Dan and updates on Becker and Fagen. I would say he is one of the good guys, regardless of who pays him.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 10:26:44 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
You were right Lurker Ray, VERY nice tribute to Valerie & Phoebe indeed. It was written by Roger Friedman and you can find it here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260381,00.html
BTW - I second the nomination for Phoebe Snow for opening act!
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 10:20:06 ET
Posted by: Craig B, FOX
Who wrote that article for Fox about Phoebe's daughter. I couldn't find it. Wow didnot know about her
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 09:34:45 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, a dugout that my dad built
Yeah Lurker Ray, those heartless warmongering neocons, whoda thought??
:-P
Nice tribute. I can still hear her at the Rock and Soul at the now defunct Poplar Creek here in Chicago.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 09:05:02 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Lurker Ray my thoughts exactly. Pheobe blew the roof off at Bearsville, a real treat. To be honest I'm a little worried about the opening act. I listened to the samples and I worried that at my advanced years it might just put me to sleep.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 08:55:48 ET
Posted by: Editor,
Alkali, the word (non-word) is actually "ABACAB," not abracadabra. You're confusing Genesis with Steve Miller.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 08:31:11 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
D&W
Please film the shows in Japan.
cheers
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 07:42:19 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Hey kids,
been away a while ‘smokin mirrors’, if you will…
but speaking of prestidigitation and the written slight of hand, here’s an oldie but a goodie from a by gone era, please enjoy it, won’t you?:
Look up on the wall, there on the floor,
Under the pillow, behind the door.
There's a crack in the mirror.
Somewhere there's a hole in a window-pane.
Do you think I'm to blame?
Tell me do you think I'm to blame?
When they do it you're never there.
When they show it you stop and stare.
Abracadabra He’s in anywhere.
Abracadabra
If you're wrapping up the world
'Cos you've taken someone elses girl,
When they turn on the pillow,
Even when they answer the telephone,
Don't you think that by now,
Tell me, don't you think that by now.
When they do it you're never there.
When they show it you stop and stare.
Abracadabra He’s in anywhere.
Abracadabra doesn’t really care.
You want it, you got it, you gotta go
you want it, you got it, now you know
it’s an illusion; it’s a game,
or reflection of someone else's name.
When you wake in the morning,
Wake and find you're covered in cellophane.
Well, there's a hole in there somewhere.
Yeah, there's a hole in there somewhere.
Baby, there's a hole in there somewhere.
Now there's a hole in there somewhere.
When they do it you're never there.
When they show it you stop and stare.
Abracadabra he’s in anywhere.
Abracadabra
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 00:52:32 ET
Posted by: Siggy, being Whiggy
Just watching Daniel Barenboim performing Beethoven's sonatas. His theory of statement and commentary in music is such a revelation. A drive that comes up short in a "no no no," then followed by a "yes, yes, yes." Like love making somewhat. And the drive for the intensity for the crescendo, that's the miracle of the Beethoven's music. To create the illusion in the dominant and making it happen. I think of Green Earrings and the magic Donald spins. A diminished 9th that resolves itself shortly after. Two thirds of the keyboard are only used. We hear this always in Steely Dan, a search and a tension and a commentary.
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 00:34:16 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
PS- Don & Walt,
If you are going to have an opening act,
why not Phoebe Snow?
Date: Fri, March 23, 2007, 00:09:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Fox- Thank you so much for that link.
I never thought I would say this about
something written by someone associated
with FOX, but that was beautiful.
Raj -
"Grief can take care of itself,
but to get the full value of a joy you
must have somebody to divide it with."
"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing.
The minute it crops up, all our irritations
and resentments slip away and a sunny spirit
takes their place."
Mark Twain
Hope you are well my friend. Sorry I didn't
get a chance to talk with you at Mavericks.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 23:52:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bored - boring people always seem bored.
Our words fly up,
your thoughts remain below.
Words without thoughts...
Never to heaven flow.
Hamlet
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 23:02:13 ET
Posted by: one good thing about Fox,
Nice tribute from Roger to Phoebe's daughter
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260381,00.html
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 22:12:52 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Anyone who was at the terrific Bearsville
shows this past February, where we were ALL
BLOWN AWAY by Phoebe Snow (especially that
first Friday night blizzard show), I just
wanted to let you all know that Phoebe's
daughter Valerie passed away suddenly this
past Sunday. Condolences can be sent directly
to Phoebe at: mail@phoebesnow.com
FYI - Phoebe chose her stage name after a freight
train that ran through her hometown of Teaneck,
The "Phoebe Snow".
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 21:05:57 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Krantz's schedule isn't wide open, don't make it sound like he's sitting around with nothing to do. He's playing in the city at least once a week and then gets to sleep in his own bed every night. That's leaving out whatever projects he's working on. We should all be so fabulous. Oh wait...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 20:06:47 ET
Posted by: A Fan , .
I learned with Mike M that an opening act cuts down on how many shows I care to see. Not that it was bad, but by the 3rd show I had seen MM's set too many times last summer.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 19:20:12 ET
Posted by: Bored, yawn
Posting lyrics is mundane and a lot to scroll through. What's the point? Definitely NOT amusing.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 18:05:39 ET
Posted by: Al S,,
Great songs. But Year of the Cat should have been named The Year of the "WU"...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 17:34:12 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Dime Dancing with Dice-Kay
Sheesh, with all this complaining, some of you Bluebook people remind me of Statler and Waldorf. You know, the two old guys in the balcony of The Muppet Show?
Who would have ever thought we would be celebrating the 30TH anniversary of "Aja" in Asia!!!!!
Mark in Boston
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 16:39:32 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Well, Michael McDonald could be considered a "great opening act" by some too. But that didn't keep me from leaving my seat. I just don't get this whole "Opening Act" announcement. I mean Donald whined last year that he didn't make much money on his solo tour because the band was "so expensive", they split the door with Michael last summer and a few weeks ago we had an "insider" here that said it is very difficult to make money on tour and have monetary "leverage" with such a large road band. So now today, we get this announcement that Sam Yahel was now going to be the opening act. I wonder if they held off on this "announcement" to "leverage" better ticket sales? And come to think of it, if the guys are so flushed with cash to hire a trio to open, then why not skip the trio and bring along WAYNE KRANTZ and maybe a vibe player!!!! Wayne's schedule is wide open this summer. It just makes no sense to me.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 14:19:55 ET
Posted by: music fan, NYC
Straight, No Chaser,
I understand that you'd like a longer Dan set. Me too. But to say you'd rather stay at the bar longer than to catch a great opening act is just fucking stupid. Bring the drink to your seat and expand your horizons.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 13:57:30 ET
Posted by: Tokyo Rose Darling,
It looks like these 3 Billboard Clubs in Japan are opening this summer. The Tokyo Club is right smack in middle of midtown Tokyo. If it is raining you will swear you are on the set of 'Blade Runner'. These clubs, are state-of-the-art, intimate and plush. Japan is definitely going to be off-the-hook. It will be expensive folks, but we only go around once.
Here is link for some pictures of the Tokyo Club, enjoy:
http://www.billboard-live.com/tokyo/tokyo_2.html
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 13:53:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Love those songs, ABRACADBRAA and Year of the Cat. Love looking at the lyrics, Jesu, sombody actually gets it around here...the power of beautifially crafted words... thank you, dear ones...
With a word you can dry my tears...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 13:20:21 ET
Posted by: Straight, No Chaser Please,
I'll take a longer Steely Dan show without an opening act, no matter who it is ANY DAY. Even if a "talented organ grinder" is playing before the show, I am definitely staying at the bar LONGER. Man, Japan is looking like a Steely Fan's wet dream.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 13:15:01 ET
Posted by: Ok, I'll play,
On a morning from a Bogart movie,
In a country where they turn back time.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime.
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running
Like a watercolor in the rain.
Don't bother asking for explanations,
She'll just tell you that she came
In the year of the cat.
She doesn't give you time for questions,
As she locks up your arm in hers
And you follow 'til your sense of which direction
Completely disappears.
By the blue tiled walls near the market stalls
There's a hidden door she leads you to.
These days, she says, I feel my life
Just like a river running through
The year of the cat.
Well, she looks at you so coolly
And her eyes shine like the moon in the sea.
She comes in incense and patchouli
So you take her, to find what's waiting inside
The year of the cat.
When morning comes and you're still with her,
And the bus and the tourists are gone.
And you've thrown away your chance and lost your ticket,
So you have to stay on.
But the drumbeat strains of the night remain
In the rhythm of the new-born day.
You know sometime you're bound to leave her
But, for now you're going to stay
In the year of the cat.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 13:02:26 ET
Posted by: The Joker, San Fran
I heat up, I can't cool down
You got me spinnin'
'Round and 'round
'Round and 'round and 'round it goes
Where it stops nobody knows
Every time you call my name
I heat up like a burnin' flame
Burnin' flame full of desire
Kiss me baby, let the fire get higher
Abra-abra-cadabra
I want to reach out and grab ya
Abra-abra-cadabra
Abracadabra
You make me hot, you make me sigh
You make me laugh, you make me cry
Keep me burnin' for your love
With the touch of a velvet glove
Abra-abra-cadabra
I want to reach out and grab ya
Abra-abra-cadabra
Abracadabra
I feel the magic in your caress
I feel magic when I touch your dress
Silk and satin, leather and lace
Black panties with an angel's face
I see magic in your eyes
I hear the magic in your sighs
Just when I think I'm gonna get away
I hear those words that you always say
Abra-abra-cadabra
I want to reach out and grab ya
Abra-abra-cadabra
Abracadabra
Every time you call my name
I heat up like a burnin' flame
Burnin' flame full of desire
Kiss me baby, let the fire get higher
I heat up, I can't cool down
My situation goes 'round and 'round
I heat up, I can't cool down
My situation goes 'round and 'round
I heat up, I can't cool down
My situation goes 'round and 'round
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 12:55:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Never believed in things that I couldn't see
I said if I can't feel it then how can it be?
No, no magic could happen to me
And then I saw you...
I couldn't believe it, you took my heart
I couldn't retrieve it, said to myself
What's it all about?
Now I know there can be no doubt...
You can do magic
You can have anything that you desire
Magic, and you know
You're the one who can put out the fire
You know darn well
When you cast your spell you will get your way
When you hypnotize with your eyes
A heart of stone can turn to clay
Doo, doo, doo ...
And when the rain is beatin' upon the window pane
And when the night it gets so cold, when I can't sleep
Again you come to me
I hold you tight, the rain disappears
Who would believe it
With a word you dry my tears
You can do magic
You can have anything that you desire
Magic, and you know
You're the one who can put out the fire
You know darn well
When you cast your spell you will get your way
When you hypnotize with your eyes
A heart of stone can turn to clay
Doo, doo, doo ...
And If I wanted to
I could never be free
I never believed it was true
But now it's so clear to me
You can do magic
You can have anything that you desire
Magic, and you know
You're the one who can put out the fire
You know darn well
When you cast your spell you will get your way
When you hypnotize with your eyes
A heart of stone can turn to clay
Doo, doo, doo ...
You're the one who can put out the fire
You're the one who can put out the fire
You're the one who can put out the fire ...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 12:48:44 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Yahoo, just got tickets for Berlin. It must be one of the most spectacualar venues: http://www.zitadelle-spandau.de/
Has anyone been there?
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 12:13:23 ET
Posted by: SamY, NYC
The opener will musically be a FAR cry from Mike McD. Caught him with Josh Redman a year and a half ago and this guy can play. Looking forward to it.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 12:02:58 ET
Posted by: joe,
Chris, not sure which schedule you are looking at but I don't see any more than three nights in a row... same as always.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 11:59:43 ET
Posted by: chris, also
anyone notice that they're touring their asses off this time? there are a lot less breaks in the schedule (except between legs). a lot of 3, 4, 5, even 6 night in a row stands. I hope Don and Walt can handle it!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 11:56:52 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
Deaconblue, I knew that name sounded familiar. Sam Yahel played keyboards and bass keys on Josh Redman Elastic Band albums. The one I have is Momentum, it's really great modern fusion (there's good fusion and there's bad fusion, and I can safely say that this is good fusion). I saw them live at Newport two years ago and Yahel was the highlight in my mind. He also played with Bill Frissel at the guitar tent, which was also nice to see.
So yeah, this may mean a shorter Dan set, but in my mind it's more bang for my buck. He should compliment the Dan very well.
Something about this tour is really exciting to me, much more so than last year's. They're at the smaller theaters in the US, including the much cooler (and T accessable) Pavillion instead of Tweeter, they have a decidedly hip opener, and now these 6 night stands at tiny nightclubs in Japan ... they're really setting this up to be something special.
Cue someone who hates Steely Dan nowadays but still posts here anyway to tell I'm totally wrong, that they're selling out, etc ....
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:55:54 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, in deep
So, let's see, that would be one from column A, being US/Euro jazz festival shows, one from column B, being east coast pre-heated shows, one from column C, being casino shows and one from column D, being Billboard Live bar band shows?
I think I've got it now.... And to think I told my bosses LAST summer that they only tour every couple of years. Yikes.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:36:32 ET
Posted by: Casino Shows,
Wow, even shorter sets for the East Coast tour. It looks like the Casino/Seminole shows will BE THE SHOWS to see. Shades of Soboba and San Diego last year. Once again, it is the "tribal" sponsored shows that will be THE SHOWS for the East Coast swing. Sam Yahel is the "MMcD" for this tour. Get yourselves some Casino seats!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:32:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Wishful Thinking
You should have been kinder to Rajah. LWO stated months ago he is rich and generous.
Thanks again Raj but I will have to decline your offer. August is our busy month up here with all the goat roping activities
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:22:36 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
This nis what i know about Sam Yahel.
Most of the time he's playing on Hammond organ.
Two nice albums are "Searching" from 1996 and "yaya" from 2002 where he formed a trio with Joshua Redmann and Brian Blade.
Sam Yahel did also a great job on keyboards on Joshua redman's album "Elastic".
it's pure Jazz.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:18:03 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, flat amazed!
Wow.
I've had phone problems on my little rural dial-up here in the country for a couple of days; so the serviceman finally makes it all the way out here, today, and I pay the gentleman and log on immediately, right? And what to my wondering eyes did appear?
THE DAN ARE DOING THE FAR EAST AS WELL.
"Well, Air Mobile--these boys just couldn't stay put." Martin Sheen, APOCOLYPSE NOW
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 10:16:19 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, whatever
An opener means a shorter Dan set.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 09:46:18 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Well it looks like hoop's "hunch" is starting to play out. Though I
think he might have had some "inside info" ;-). Here's to a WEST COAST SWING on the way home fellas!! You gotta come home this way anyways! SoCal awaits. What is up with this "opening act" for just about all of these US East Coast dates?? They are now going do even shorter shows?
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 09:14:26 ET
Posted by: wishful thinking, here
The members of this community must all be LOADED with dough to contemplate all of these overseas shows, especially after attending the US dates! Must be nice to have cash to burn.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 08:55:35 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Here's a sampling I found on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Trio-Sam-Yahel/dp/B00000I04I
Listen to the samples made me realize once again that once a rock'n'roll chickie always a rock'n'roll chickie.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 07:49:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
So Sam Yahel Trio is opening for SD? I'm not familar with these guys.
Anybody out there know of these guys?
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 04:43:52 ET
Posted by: Turning Japanese, in AU
So, I got a response back from my email to the club (I guess I sent it to the Tokyo club, I'll check and see if there are separate 'contact us' addresses for Osaka and Fukoka) - but anyway, here is the response ---
Dear Jeri,
Thank you for your interest in Billboard Live TOKYO!
Unfortunately, no information available in English at this moment.
Please wait for our new web-site, coming up next week, March 30, you will be able to get information from the web-site.
Please contact me if you need further information!
Thank you,
Nana Hoshino
Billboard Live TOKYO
So - no link to the promised new website, but hopefully next week there will be an 'In English' button on the current website - watch that space
And for us, from AU, at first glance airfares are cheapest SYD-Osaka.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 04:37:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
From Mr my Moran :
"David, you people are completely out of your minds but if you must do this, it's Fukuoka you want to target."
So far, that's all I got..reconnoitering...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 04:14:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
SS-Jeri and Alan - I just got through to my old mate Eddie Moran in Osaka and he comfirms this ticket will cost us upward of 200UD per show. Bur damn the torpedoes. He's ben a denizen of both Tokyo (nuts, prices toallly nuts) and Osaka. Figure on 400US per night, transportation a pittance between cities. Fukuoka the bargain. So he says put the kaboshh on T-town and Osaka, cruising into Fukuoka and seek to hire a great bleedin' pagoda of funn for those dates...more to come, he's making calls my old fiend from Fordham U, Eddie Moran.
Eddie...it's dandom,com/guestbook...
Now, this is exciting...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 04:13:27 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, insomnia
I always said that marriage was overrated.....
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 04:02:20 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong
Wow...now I know how you Europeans feel. This is nuts - so many nights in Japan - it's hard to digest.
For those contemplating the trip, I have no idea how to get tickets -yet. There are a lot of connections though between Hong Kong and Japan and I will work to locate people on the ground there who know how to get it done.
You likely don't need to be told, but it will cost a chunk.
E-mail me if you're interested.
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:57:04 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Concert Police, when you get the press release it means SHOW!!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:56:50 ET
Posted by: duncan,
There's support also on many US dates !!!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:50:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Alan, I have a dear old friend from university who's lived in Osaka for many years...dear God... let me collect myself and see what could be done here...
I don't think I'll be getting to the office at 7 this morning...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:39:06 ET
Posted by: duncan,
holy cow JAPAN !!!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:32:02 ET
Posted by: Alan, No, it is really Jeri..........
Yes Rajah, we are already looking into the possibilities.......airfares, etc........
Does anyone know of a link to the venue sites where we can find some info in English? My language capability does not extend to Japanese! I did find an email address for the venue so have emailed them, but would like to get some info on the venue.
Guess we could have both a pre-wedding and post-wedding honeymoon!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 03:15:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah, holy shit, Alan
The fucking bar band at the Billboard in Tokyo, Osaka and Fukuoka for a week each!!!
Oh shit, your wedding comes hard upon. What to do...what to do.
Angular banjos have always sounded good to me...
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 02:53:56 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
Please Please Please Mr Steely Dan or WhatevaH !!!!!
Japan is so close, come to Australia on your way home, Puh-leeze !!!!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 02:40:56 ET
Posted by: Another Night owl, the left coast
Anyone up late can see an exciting announcement on sd.com
(go read now)
These are SMALL new nightclubs! Frequent Flyer miles anybody? Charlie Tokyo, help us!
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 02:29:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah, up waay too late...
Only the most brain dead would insult you, our esteemed, Deacon Blue, do not take the quacking of the intolerant few to be a measure of whom we really are here and whom we truly esteem.
Porco Dio cane, che curnuti siamo gli'Americani certo volte! Ti pregiamo pardone, Caro. Che pena in mio culo qui ogni tanto quanto...
Davide
Date: Thurs, March 22, 2007, 01:36:31 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Apernently for some of you this board is not only an English spoken one but also exclusively only for Americans.
I really don't know how and when i insulted or treated unrespectfully the American culture or visitors of this board !!
But if i did, soory for that!
My conclusion is that there are a few frustrated and intollerant folks over here. To bad for them.
So if my writing is disturbing some people i only can say : close your eyes or scroll your mouse a little bit.
This is the last thing i'm going to say about that. Maybe next time we can talk about it nicely, peacefully in a pool of Margaritas.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 22:48:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah, how 'bout Ludvig Von Drake instead?
Why don't we start with who you are chico?
Uncky Sam, I will be the first to defend your right to your opinion and as long as you're prepared to defend that opinion. Viva viva our 1st Amendment.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 21:48:14 ET
Posted by: Someone, Somewhere
I wonder how many of the last 30 posts were from the same person
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 20:21:24 ET
Posted by: Fugly American, Bruxelles
Cut the Deacon some slack!
As Rick Springfield once said he is probably a "slick, Continental dude". But probably nicer than you make him out to be.
But he is interesting, he tells some good stories and even though English is probably his third or fourth? language he is a better writer than probably 60 or 70 percent of the people on this board.
He probably knows his way around the menus of 10 to 15 cuisines.
He appears well versed in art and culture. Far more so than most of us.
If you met him, he would probably be less assuming and more friendly than many Americans, "who would not act as kindly if they see you on the street" (SD tangent).
The contempt for the US is pretty widespread, and as Rajah said the US ain't exactly been perceived as benevolent lately--although the good the US does is much overlooked!
He has expressed the intellect to separate his dislike of the US Government from his affection toward its citizens.
You could learn alot from a "foreigner"......Vive le Deacon Bleu!
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 19:58:56 ET
Posted by: steelydoc,
...SD.com has corrected the Copenhagen date..it is now July 23...
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 19:16:19 ET
Posted by: apologies to Hoops, disgusted and ashamed
Dear Concert Police and any like It,
May I just say on behalf of some fine people who work very well and very hard for the likes of you:
Bite Me.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 19:12:57 ET
Posted by: Uncle Sam, I ain't no fortunate son
Mike, I have to agree with you 100%.
Deacon puts across the persona of a highly affected snob with an air of entitlement. I'm all for communicating with fans of all nations, but not with someone who curls his lip at my culture and expects the red carpet to be rolled out just because he is gracing us with his (oh, so suave)international presence.
And, dammit, this is an english speaking board, so I personally find it a little taunting when the euros come on and speak in other languages.
And Rajah, I have every right to express my opinion here as do you. It's time to cut Sigmund loose, BTW.
I know perfectly well this is not my board, I do not run it or pay the bills. However, Deacon, I'm just explaining that I am offended by many of your posts and have held my tongue prior to recent days. You are fucking irritating.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 18:37:29 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...Copenhagen date has been added on SD.com....July 26...
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 16:16:29 ET
Posted by: Concert Police,
TJ - That show is not listed on Steely Dan Dot Com. That means NO SHOW!
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 15:37:18 ET
Posted by: BeaconBoy,
Check out the Hotel Beacon, attached to the Beacon Theatre. Not luxury, but not bad, and probably in your price range.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 15:36:17 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Steely dan is playing in Copenhagen 23. juli in Falconer Theater.
I just received a press release form the concert venue! Ticket sales start on monday.
Never been happier...!
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 14:07:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Good one Hey Mike
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 13:32:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Mike, isn't that Stephen Frye from Frye and Laurie fame? Brilliant, love that hairdo from 1969. The American experiment changed the world and a couple times maybe even saved the world. We dragged a post WWII world into the jet and space age. We gave them Jazz, Tang, the Hoola-hoop, we invented the zip-lock baggie.
But we used to finish off wars, not start them. We used to be the cavalry the world called in to save the day. But we've gone too far these past 25 or so years, we've tarnished ourselves by engaging in skullduggery, subversion and running with a bad crowd. Like when you see a friend of yours at a bar snogging with some person of the opposite sex who is not their spouse. You don't quite think of him in the same way after that, do you? We've tarnished our good name, we need to get it back.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 13:06:41 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
Bravo, Rajah, bravo.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 13:03:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Raj you are the straw that...
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 12:51:05 ET
Posted by: hoops,
"Never Been to:'
I've forwarded your request on to the NYC Dan Fans list, nyc AT dandom DOT com where you can reach over 200 SD fans in the NYC area.
Please email me privately at hoops AT dandom DOT com for more info.
Have a great trip and great stay.
BTW: I remember when I was in NYC for the walking tour in 2000 and a night at a particular hotel on Eighth was $80. Then in 2003 it was up to $125. Granted they remodeled but last year it was $320 a night. All about the same time of year. Wow!
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 12:49:17 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Nice one Mike!!
:-)
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 12:38:25 ET
Posted by: Never been to, NYC
Looking for a little help please.Being a major SD fan,and never been to NYC.I want to go to the Beacon to see both shows.Can anyone tell me where my wife and I might be able to stay maybe close to the Beacon.A hopefully nice hotel at about the 250 dollar a night range.Will probably be staying 5-6 days.This will be concert 19and 20 so we wanted it to be a special time.Thanks
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 12:30:29 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, those dego freaks that used to pay the feds
I wont argue with you Raj. However, this from across the pond no less..
http://www.18doughtystreet.com/on_demand/165
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 12:18:43 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, yeah yeah yeah
Ok, lets just have a laugh then..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 11:49:26 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Hey Mike,
I don't remember i've ever said that. It's not because i don't like the neo conservative governement of Bush that i cannot have a good relationship with an American citizen. Those are two complete different things.
Our Dandom world should learn us that nationality isn't relevant in human communication.
Let it be clear, i love the USA but going to live there, I don't think so because i have my roots here in Europe.
But i have a free mind and that means a multicultural and international spirit to live peacefull together. You should be doing the same Mike.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 10:40:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I wish I was as proud as I used to be to be an American. We need our pride back, Mike, and that won't happen until we show the rest of the world that we are not a nation of bullies, power hungry and money grubbing; that we bring only good intentions to the world stage and try to solve problems, not create giant messes. That we care about our planet and we care about the rest of the world. That's the day Americans will reclaim their pride in full. That's the day I'll wear an Old Glory thong bikini, set my chest hair on fire and run down Wilshire Blvd. screaming, I'm proud to be an American again.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 10:31:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Uncle Sam - That's one of the more provincial and narrow-minded posts I've read in a while on here. Except when the Republicans start in posting(!). The SD is going to Europe this summer, hello, Europeans speak different languages from us. Especially the Brits [rimshot] thank you.
Europeans make a real effort in their schools to teach English and we should take a tip from them...we should teach English too. Small joke.
This is I daresay the pre-eminent Steely Dan site in the world. Free your mind Sam. And get some Berlitz tapes maybe.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 10:30:12 ET
Posted by: Randall,
Mabe I are two hursh on feronors
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 10:22:39 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, any major toad will tell you
I stopped reading Deacons posts a while back when he came to LA for a show and just ripped the crap out of everything he came in contact with. Then proceeded to tell us how glad he is that he isn't an American. Feelings mutual dude-sicle.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 10:20:25 ET
Posted by: Sigmund,
I am schpeakink de Engleesh, vasamadder U? You should have heard me before hooked on phoniks.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 08:14:18 ET
Posted by: Randall, The Border
Sigmund
Now you have opened the garden door to all these other languages.Stop powering your nose and speak english
Your Pal Randall
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 08:06:58 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan,
Any guys or gals have a Steely Dan tattoo? If so, what is it?
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 07:23:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
...new post at Lexi Says...
hey steelyDON, send me an email
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 07:22:14 ET
Posted by: Uncle Sam, watching the ramparts
One request please...can we please speak English on here? It's only right, and there are many other websites where a variety of languages can be spoken. It's frustrating.
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 07:05:14 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Lucca this summer seems to be very interesting !!!
Just like we know already, Steely dan will be in Lucca the 28th of july. This concert makes part of a larger program of the local Summerfestival Lucca Luglio 2007.
Almost everynight during the whole month of july there's a concert at "La Piazza Napoleone"
At this moment they confirmed 5 of 12 artists:
10/07 Elton John
14/07 Norah Jones
19/07 George Michael (who ?)
20/07 Joss Stone
28/07 Steely dan
You can check it all at www.summer-festival.com
Date: Wed, March 21, 2007, 02:29:33 ET
Posted by: Raven, zup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyJjfGq1GqI
Of interest. posted here? :>~
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 17:44:19 ET
Posted by: Horst, Vant to take her to Hunkitown
Yah, Papa, whoze left holden derr big Braunschweiger now?????
Not so much funn on the wrong end of Ol' Zunshine Willi, e Pops?
I belieff we've made un breaktrue here, double Freudian weenie revverence.
Bring on derr Schteel of Dan unt dont schpare derr schteam!
Ach du lieba zeit! Unt triple! Pinch me Brunhilda, I hotter dannun pishtol!
Horst the Horrible
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 17:17:19 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
Vell, dats OK caust mein Engleesh she isht not verry guut.
Schpeakink of derr nazztiness, I overrhert datt putz son of mein plottink mitt Brunhilda to take offen on a Schteely Dan zummer mitt derr funnen in derr sunnen and lotz of der whoopie no doubt. Ach, vhat an embarassment, dat pecker face schtollen der schtaff and schtuppink her as vell.
Hunh, didn't know the leadassz had it in em. A regular chimp off derr olt block.
Dat's mein boy! Now where is derr klassified zection, I neet a new little sompin sompin round here, mebbe one a dem lanky Schkaniavian honies mitt nice round tooshi and perky ta-ta's...dats derr tickket!
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 14:57:35 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Lost in translation
Dutch to english translation on web is not zo guud:
DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
GALLIA BELGICA.
Thanks for your sustain. Joyous to establish that there still Flemmings these site visitations.
G., Gallia Belgica
hey deaconblue, attract you nothing of the comment, you must no give account for what you writes, meant yourself good and that counts it is jammer that some zeurpieten is that from trouble or nijd this way reacts do not be ashamed yourself you your enthusiasm, involvement and kind attitude to others, to guard them for a vexation. groetjes!
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 14:08:42 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Glad you said that W1P...I was dying to say something nasty
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 14:03:00 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills, CA
The era of good feelings on the Blue officially starts now. Don't forget our friends Preztel Logic at the wonderful Canyon Club venue in Agoura Hills coming up on March 30th.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 12:42:17 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
GALLIA BELGICA.
Bedankt voor je ondersteuning. Blij vast te stellen dat er nog Vlamingen deze site bezoeken.
Ik veronderstel dat je er op 9 juli ook zal bij zijn?
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 12:14:26 ET
Posted by: G., Gallia Belgica
hey deaconblue, trek je niks aan van het commentaar, je hoeft geen verantwoording af te leggen voor wat je schrijft, je bedoelde het goed en dat telt. het is jammer dat er enkele zeurpieten zijn die uit verveling of nijd zo reageren. schaam je niet voor je enthousiasme, betrokkenheid en welwillende houding naar anderen, om ze te behoeden voor een teleurstelling.
groetjes!
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 12:06:39 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Gina:
Thanks for that.
Lee:
Sorry - I was under the apparently misguided impression that I was entitled to my own opinion.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 11:32:54 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Mister "We've heard enough", my dear frustrated friend.
I never said there was no way that Steely Dan could be come over here in Brussels. Only that july seemed very strange. Look at the Forest National website to see that normally the venue is closed during the summermonths.My words were only based on vitual facts.
So if i was wrong about that, apolagize me.
What i'm saying is no science. Steely Dan will be in Brussels ...and that's great. What's the point?
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 11:29:06 ET
Posted by: G., Bass Mountain
hey Bass, long time no see in Blue. she is Lydia, a Dutch bassplayer and singer. she posted some clips in YouTube, then made a MySpace site and is about to quit her job for a fulltime career in music. she been working as a musician for musicals, and recordings/sessions, but never abandoned her dayjob. until it was all too much to handle. in fact, it was dr. Wu who introduced her to us, me.
http://www.myspace.com/lydiakaboesj
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 11:27:33 ET
Posted by: Lee, had more fun watching paint dry
bassicinstinct - "Awesome video. Who is she"?
I guess there's not a lot of good entertainment in Nottingham.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 11:07:10 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
the Tour link on the 'show business' side at DF.com lists which shows are sold out...
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 11:04:05 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Raj -
Go to www.vrbo.com
Lots of Lucca rentals.
Connie
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 10:32:34 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., The squirrels don't seem to care
Today's "Over The Hedge" seems Dangential in these Heavy Roller days...
http://www.comics.com/comics/hedge/archive/hedge-20070320.html
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 10:26:43 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Manatee Bar
Hey HeyMike, you are most welcome for the linkage. Regardless of affiliation, I figure that one makes everyone laugh. Whoever slipped that by deserves a medal. One wonders if, as he read the guy's last name, BO started thinking to himself "Hey, wait a second here ...." LOL
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 10:26:42 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Gina:
Awesome video clip. Who she??
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 10:12:31 ET
Posted by: Gina, re: playing bass and singing
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2015037478
saw something when scrolling down, about not being able to play bass and sing???
click the link above and see how she can do the trick.
remember her name: Lydia, L-dia.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 09:40:36 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
Laughing my ass off now--well done!
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 09:38:37 ET
Posted by: We've Heard Enough,
))Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Finally they confirmed the concert in Brussels.((
Dude, you have blabbering for a month now that there is "no-way" that the Steely Dan can play Forest National. "My entire country is on vacation" -you say. Well listen zippo, obviously you don't know squat. All these venues ARE THE EXACT SAME VENUES THAT WERE ON JEFF YOUNG'S WEBSITE. You have the forecasting abilities of a Buffalo
Weatherman. Please clam it ponce. We are done with your "forecasting".
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 09:31:23 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Obvious town
Hey HeyMike, its the name of the guy who sent in the email...
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 09:09:55 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
http://nl.livenation.be/agenda/evenement.asp?pid=908
tickets for Brussels and Lucca Italy, anyone?
couldn't scroll back far enough to see if it was in here already.
i'm going alone, and am seated row 4 in front of the stage
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 08:26:17 ET
Posted by: err,
what's the hurry ?
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 08:06:59 ET
Posted by: Goddess on the fire escape, what a shame about ....who?
Does anyone know why Ticketmaster hasn't been offering the email delivery of SD tickets for certain shows? It certainly is more of an inconvenience waiting for snail mail.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 07:47:59 ET
Posted by: Melanie, the sugar shack
Who gets to spend July in Tuscany?
Possibly you, Bobbo runnnnaawaayy
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 07:29:11 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Bobbo,
Better don't go to that place. You ain't comming back
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 01:56:38 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Research Room
Hey Kids,
Dig on THIS idea: it's a little villa in Lucca, and it's open for the week of July 24th!
http://www.cc-villas.com/tuscany_villa/biancalana.htm
Godamighty, I am dreaming up a big one this time...if it was hard to come back from California, how the Hell could I come back from the Steely Dan show in a place like this? Rajah, you tell me: can it be done? What an adventure, fellas! Who's in?
bobbo
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 01:33:37 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Finally they confirmed the concert in Brussels.
Be carefull to US citizens who wants to come over here in Europe.
It's selling verry well.
The Brussels concert was confirmed yesterday in the late afternoon and until now the cheapest level ,of the venue is sold out. So be sure that next month the most of all European venues will be sold out
People here seems to realize that they have not many occasions to see The Steely fucking Dann.
Date: Tues, March 20, 2007, 01:11:51 ET
Posted by: the Beaver, Dad's study, lookin' at the map of Italy
Hey Wally!
Are you really gonna go to Lucca this Summer...? Gee-whiz, wow! Are you takin' me and Lumpy, too?
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 23:21:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Deacon Blue, I am trying to see if I can rent, lease or hire a small apartimento on the piazza at Lucca for that week. This would be the sojourn of a lifetime.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 21:23:27 ET
Posted by: Boris B,
Dr. Wu was a drug dealer, the narrator a customer, Katy the drug.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 21:23:02 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Okay, I'll bite--I don't get it.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 20:51:49 ET
Posted by: awesome,
hahahahaha. what an idiot.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 20:37:12 ET
Posted by: Ima Pseudonym, Orlando, scene of many a dull moment
By the way, it dates back to 2004.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 20:24:00 ET
Posted by: Ima Pseudonym, orlando, land of milk and honey
Danfans, including particularly the intellectual elite:
Last week, I posted a comment about Steely Dan songs being used as intro music for Bill O'Reilly's radio show and I found it odd. After a suitable period of political discourse, followed by a small rebuke from hoops with an admonition to stay away from the political crapola, I apologized and relented.
Well, call it crazy karma or whatever, but tonight I caught a snippet of a cable show that ran a quick excerpt from O'Reilly's show. Its on youtube now, and runs 17 seconds. Please, I beg of you, watch this short snippet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdCImGtkobw
P.S. This is actually Lawgator and my name for this post is the clue to the funny moment in the video, although its not so much a pseudonym as a college sophomore type prank. And the fact that it made it on the air is proof positive, IMHO, that the folks working at Fox have never actually lived a day in their lives.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 20:13:49 ET
Posted by: ANSWER:,
He's just a shadow of the man I once knew ...
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 18:59:10 ET
Posted by: Question of the Night--,
Who (or what?) WAS Dr. Wu???
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 16:31:54 ET
Posted by: deaconblue, bruselas
With a great laughing smile and a very good inside feeling i'm entering into that plane to Pisa, Italia.In fact i don't like planes because they are so incomfortable, you have to smell and breath the stinking air of the sweating body's of the passengers and always i have my little hyperventilation attacks too.
En reality, i'm not the kind of guy that will take an airplane only for the good pleasure of flying.I hate planes.
But i remember last year when i went to LA to see Donald at the Wiltern and the Pechanga casino in Temecula when i really felt me like a heroe. Fuck up that Air France airplane because i was on my way to be two times with Donald.
So this time it will be just the same!Go to hell with that cheap Irish Ryanairplane.I'm going to Pïsa from where i continue my travel with a rented car all the way to Lucca.
Arriving early in the afternoon in Lucca to go check in at the hotel. Oh of course, not such a cold insignificant hotel like you have million ones in the world. No this one, Hotel Universo, is a 19th century treasure at the old piaza right in front of the Anfiteatro de Lucca.
I 'm going to take a nice shower in my room upstairs whjere you have on la terassa a great view over the old place and il anfiteatro.
After the shower i'm think going to drink a fresh cup of Italian rose wine and later maybe a Martini Bianca. While i'm slurping on my beverages, i'm looking so far as possible with my thouights in the air.
Maybe with a little luck i'll met Donald and Walter in one of those Italian pubs. But it seems more a wish that is droven and controled by 5 or 6 Martini's i drunk. So realizing me that i have to put all that false hope away in my bag, it seems better to concentrate me on all these sensual Italian girls. You know who i'm talking about, Bianca, Gianna, Monica, Sophia...
Finally the only thing that happens is to see turning that ceilingventilator in my hotelroom 50 times faster than normal. It's clear that the 10 Martini's are doing their job.
Next day i decided to take a walk in the old hystorical citypart. It's really beatifull, it's just like a dream. It's the most precious place here in Toscana.I can not remember me ever have seen such a magnificent ploace. Well maybe "La Habana Vieja" in Cuba, but i suppose that the reason for that is "La bodeguita del medio" and of course the Cuban chica's. But i've have to admit that the Italian senoris also killing my eyes.Excuse me now a moment, i've to answer the phone because my wife is calling.
Next day, we're saturday the 28th of july, i've decided to do it very easy. Tonight my herous, my god's ( yes i do believe god excists)are playing live in that teriffic anfiteatro de Lucca.
All the fragments of images are playing around my head: Paris, Brussels, Rotterdam and Bonn. But this stuff today is surely going to stay in my mind forever, La divina Lucca with his godisch anfiteatro is going to welcome Steely Dan. And i will be there, and i hope the Roman god's too.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 15:58:30 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Not Europe
Hey Raj.
Don't take me. You'd have more fun with just about anyone else.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
-- Albert Einstein, 1879-1955
LG
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 15:31:47 ET
Posted by: Betty Rizzo, look at me
Yeah, Raj, but you'd have more fun with me!
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 15:18:28 ET
Posted by: Anders, -
BREAKING NEWS
The setlist of the European tour has been leaked directly from the band:
1. Almost gothic
2. The second arrangement
3. Wet side story
4. The great pagoda of funn
5. Almost gothic (acoustic)
6. The second arrangement (acoustic)
7. The great pagoda of funn (acapella)
8. Almost gothic (gospel)
9. Pearl of the quarter (Fagen solo)
Sure - it's a short set, but what the heck.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 14:57:21 ET
Posted by: Sandra Dee, A summer place
Rajah, for the love of God, if you take me on a whirlwind Steely Dan tour of Europe, I'll dress in black from head to toe. Even a mantilla. Can my friend Tuesday come with us?
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 14:25:36 ET
Posted by: West of Philly ,
There is no credited drummer on Brite Nitegown.
Other than that. Loge seats at the Tower on the 25th.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 13:52:21 ET
Posted by: ebay,
No cheap seats for Jun 11th
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 13:45:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Deacon Blue, I wish I could explain to my fellow countrymen how marvelous all the European summer music festivals are. Every town down to the tiniest, even my beloved Goriano Sicoli in Abruzzo, population 347, gets its share of troupers coming through a half dozen times every summer. Most of it is pure crap Euro pop but don't tell the kids that, they love the live music. Permit me if you all will to take you back some 43 years to the summer of 1965, the young Rajini was still in short pants and spending the summer with my late and sainted grandmother, Giacobina, a tiny woman dressed in black since the first world war to honor her beloved husband's memory lost in that senseless and brutal struggle. A woman who had to take over the running of the small vinyard that gave her two daughters sustinence, she dealt with crude men and guile vendors. She took me down to the piazza to hear a singer named Claudio Villa, quite a huge pop star in his day. We sat in the front row, I didn't know any of his songs at all. But he had such a beautiful golden tenor, the sound streamed in an unbroken flow from his pipes, a bellcanto with a smooth command that I don't think I've witnessed since, maybe Frank, but I saw Frank late in his career when a lot of suppleness had been taken from him by old father time. Never ever will forget that night, holding her hand and feeling the love pouring out of her into me. I miss that little old lady dressed in black so very much, to this day, and it's seems just like it was only yesterday. A song is more than just a song.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 13:13:44 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, PA
Does anybody know where you can hear/download the world premiere of MTC from last year on 94.7 The Wave?
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 11:59:19 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Refering me on the tourlist that was shown on Jeff Youngs website a few weeks ago, it seems that Steely dan will be present at the North Sea Jazz Festival in Rotterdam, Holland on july 14 saturday.
It's one of the biggest jazzfestivals of the world that offers a great diversity of musicstyles related with jazz.
To ilustrate that,these were the musicians on stage on saturday 15th of july 2006:
Randy Brecker with Bill Evans and his Soulbop band, Joey Calderazzo (on piano on the cd "Tales from the Hudson" from Michael Brecker), Branford Marsalis, McCoy Tyner, Sergio Mendes, Tracey Chapman, Trio Jack Dejohnette-John Scofield-Larry goldings, Madeleine Peyroux, Van Morrisson and a lot of others...
The price for a one day ticket is about 70 Euro and are going on sale on may the 12th.With such a ticket you can see almost all liveacts.
Almost all concerts because beside that one day ticket, you probably needs a special ticket for the plusconcerts.
Last year i paid 65 Euro for a one day ticket and about 40 Euros for a plusticket that gave me the right to see Van Morrisson.
Probably they are going to do the same with the Steely dan act.
So wait for a confirmation and be carefull.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 11:11:56 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Hoops
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 11:03:27 ET
Posted by: hoops,
In a general way and not necessarily reflecting my political positions, "Mary Shut the Garden Door" is DF's commentary on the current (i.e. circa 2004/2005) administration in the White House and political affairs with "The Garden" as a reference to Madison Square Garden and a lock out of certain kind of people with certain conflicting views at the 2004 Republican convention with the name "Mary" working on different levels including representing Mary Cheney.
Remember, with MTC Donald seemed to me and many others a lot more overt and direct and less under the radar in his interviews as well, explaining his positions on religion, politics, etc .
IMHO, "Mary" is the bookend to "Nightfly" songs that are social-politically tinged like "I.G.Y." and "New Frontier."
My two cents combined with some of Donald's interviews, etc.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 10:49:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Speaking of MTC In general way what's Mary Shut the Garden Door about?
Thanks
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 09:48:43 ET
Posted by: bobbo, trying to keep up, here...
Well,
Good mornin', Blue!
Godamighty, there is a LOT of text to sift and sort through this morning, but it is a welcome distraction--I AM OFF THE CLOCK!! Three whole days basking in the light of projects with the Son (we're building a shelf for his video game titles) and recording some tracks at ClayBo sound in Bowie (note to Geoff: you really should hear some of the new tunes!!)...I'm busy, but in a great way, y'all.
I can't imagine that MORPH is anything less than the bestest, newest Dan album available, these days...if you think you're tired of it, man, you've got to get some good rum! I highly recommend it, and our lovely Flower Girl liked it, too. Put on a candle or five, and just r-e-l-a-x. It's a fine album, and really can't be compared to THE NIGHTFLY. Of course, it's on a whole different level than KAMAKIRIAD; but that can be said of EMG and TvN, as well. For the whole pantheon of Everything Danny (coining a phrase: BOBBO FIRST SAID THAT--"Everything Danny", for good or ill. Yes, it is MINE.), I don't see any piece finer than "The Night Belongs to Mona" for the past seven years, or so. But, many of you good folks have come to realise, I'm a sap, y'know.
MORPH THE CAT is a very important album, for us Danners. I only hope that COME AWAY WITH ME, that old Norah Jones record, grows as well over time...Rajah, what the fuck?! You need more time?! IT IS A BRILLIANTLY CONCEIVED MODERN POP ALBUM. Anyone who is "tired of MORPH" is only pretendin' to dig the Dan...or, they're busy, y'know...speaking of which, I've got to go; lots of projects on today.
Love and Peace to you all, and by-the-bye: anybody win the Lotto this weekend? How about sending Uncle Bobbo to Germany, just for the fuckin' fun of it? Huh? Any takers? Hell, I'll sing all the way there-and-back...Let me know. I'll be lookin' for ya. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 06:48:24 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
JSB:
Amen to that!!
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 01:27:49 ET
Posted by: Johann Sebastian Bach,
Further to what Maestro Rajah says, the most difficult role a pop musician can fulfill is to play a bass instrument while singing. The bass clef is a mirror image of the treble clef, an inversion in exteme of what one might be crooning. People who can do this are amonsgt out most singular and deft players. Perhaps its no surprise that they happen to be among our best songwiters.
Date: Mon, March 19, 2007, 00:41:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Sir Paul is someone who has an innate and God-given understanding of the music which far outstrips the approach most of us mortals have to take to task to undertake and grasp the craft. He remains a singular genius. Most of the rest of us have to study.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 22:46:11 ET
Posted by: Robert Hilburn, LA Times
Raj, I guess McCartney still has a chance to become a sophisticated musician?
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 22:14:33 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Yes Deacon Blue, well said...thanks for saying it. I have no idea where Oh Really's attitude was coming from and would be surprised to think it is representative of the Blue.
Any country/city/venue that can get a full-on SD show - more power to 'em. No one deserves or does not deserve.
Not an issue.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 22:14:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Well, being a non-resident European, I can see the arguments from a different perspective.....and can also echo Alan's words!! Hell! What I wouldn't pay to see our Boys play our very own Jerudong Park amphitheatre here in Brunei. It's hosted the likes of Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston, etc. in its heyday, but not any more. Which means that I, like Alan, must shell out a stash of cash, even before I enter a show anywhere in the world.
Can we all please check our phraseology before we post, so as not to unintentionally insult a fellow fan (especially those who are excellent musicians, like our Basicinstinct). Yes, Europe often turns to the USA for its entertainment, but the reverse is often true. Check out the Stones tour, etc..... has anyone bothered to check-out the length of their set lists, but also the size of the venues they play (soulless!) in comparison to SD's? Of course, those in Europe don't get to see our heroes as often as they like and are used to longer sets, but I think we all have to remember the advantages. Our boys are no longer spring chickens (as neither are most of us!!) and I doubt if they would be physically up to playing long sets, especially as they have packed in quite a lot in a short time. It's great that we are actually going to see them on European soil, but the logistics of playing there must cost them a fortune. Hence the high cost of tickets. Also, we're seeing them in a somewhat intimate settings rather than huge stadiums, which adds to the quality of the shows, but bumps up the cost.
Guys, the Boston Tea Party was a long time ago, we're all now in the United States of Dandom!!! Enjoy it!
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 21:50:48 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, One Thoughtless Word Away
Regarding MTC...I think it is one of the most complete albums in the Dan/Don repetoire. Its a great album from start to finish. I agree that a few tracks get a bit old after a while such as MTC and Brite Nightgown but all and all its a great album.
The title track is so different and unique in the way that it is structured. The bassline is tight and keeps you interested. I like the horns and the vocal harmonies. Its very busy and makes you want to listen for more.
"H-gang" is a good pop song. Very catchy and still musically sound with some great guitar work by Jon Herrington.
It took me a while to warm up to "What I Do", but this song is absolutely great. I love the female vocals at the end and the lyrics are divine.
"Brite Nightown" is a funky tune. I dont know many 59 year olds who can place a groove so nicely. Pure funk and like someone else mentioned a great bridge.
"Pagoda" blows me away each time i hear it. its such a complex song and everything works together so well. I love the unorthodox structure of the verse/chorus. I love the bridge and the ending and Wayne Krantz's guitar solo at the end is so perfectly placed. Its such a sublime song that the guitar solo can't be too overbearing or overstating. He achieves this just perfectly.
Security Joan is pure FUNN
Mona has an infectuous hook. THe intro is so engaging. Sometimes i just hit repeat so i can hear the intro over and over again.
Mary is gloomy and dreary. It probably has one of the best sequences on the whole album (rough dreams those voices in the kitchen...)
Overall MTC is a very strong album. One of my favorites. The songs are varied and complex and I think Donald is at his best. Its a much more complete album than Kamakiriad. I love the Nightfly but MTC is a close second.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 21:45:50 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Right on DB and good night.WE Yanks can be some sensitive yips myself at the top of the list
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 18:22:35 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Dear friend OH Really.
I respect your opinionbut you don't have to take such a attitude.Next time wash your mooth before starting to insult other persons.
I don't think we Europeans deserve more than the Yanks. We're not privilaged, i think you are.
A lot of people here doesn't have seen our boys since 2000.There was no EMG tour and no Donald Fagen tour either.So if our expectations are a little bit higher , i guess it's a normal thing.
Concerning me, it doesn't matter what they are playing or how long.
Last year, i spend a lot of Dollars to see the Don in L.A. and Temecula and i will spend more money to see them this year and maybe in the future.
As long they are touring and making records, we have still to be happy about that.
And yes, without American musicians our summerfestivals never would be what they are now. But i think a little bit more respect for our European musicians would on his place.There are very good ones, yes we have world class musicians too!! No more chauvinism please.
Music isn't a thing about being American or not, it's a universal thing without borders.
So let's all enjoy their music, in the US, Europe, Australia or Japan. Nationality doesn't matter. Steely Dan belongs to the world and believe me : our universe goes much further than the American borders.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 17:43:05 ET
Posted by: Howard Hughs,
Fezman - People on this guestbook have trouble paying face value. One word - Ebay
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 17:35:29 ET
Posted by: Lee,
Hey Chris - Re Morph: I couldn't disagree with you more.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 17:16:56 ET
Posted by: fezman, central ma.
Ok,let me premise what i am about to offer with this.Please no responses like are you nuts!! your out of your mind,you dare sell dan tickets on the blue for that price?.......I purchased 4 tickets for the boston shows,two for 5/29 and two for 5/30. These are row 3 seats 10 and 11 dead center,i can not attend the show on 5/30 and thought i would offer them to anyone who dose'nt mind paying the premium. i bought the tickets for 750.00 for the pair,i am offering them for 600.00 for the pair,i know this is not for everyone but thought i would at least offer them,they will be available as soon as i receive them most likely 2 days after they go on sale here in boston,if anyone has doubts regarding me or my having these tickets i'm sure hoops will vouch when he reads this,i'm sorry for the price but i generally don't try to sell tickets i have purchased as i always pay a premium for the seats i get. anyone interested feel free to contact me
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 17:06:31 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Morph for me has not held up as well as The Nightfly, or even Kama. In general, Don is just too complacent. There are some gems on the record, but when nine songs are structured and tempoed similarly, it starts to wear on you. There's Keith playing the grooviest thing he can under Don's bizzarre dislike of interesting drumming in the studio (overly busy drummers are a drag, but Carlock could do much more than hit the snare on two and four), a somewhat subdued bassline from Freddie, a couple guitars doing chords or a line, a John Herrington or Walt Weiskopf solo on every track ... there used to be a lot more variation on Steely Dan records. Kama, even though it sounds pretty dated with the synths and the synth drum track, at least had fun tracks like Trans Island Skyway. Morph is just monotonus. Don's old, he owes the world nothing and has a pretty good idea of what it takes to write a song. He's also not going to spend as much time in the studio; he doesn't need to. The result is that the music gets stale.
I still enjoy it, but not as much as I enjoy Gaucho and The Nightfly.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 16:23:26 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Lutz:
If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 16:11:26 ET
Posted by: From the stage looking out, you cant see because of the darkness
Deacon Ricky played exactly the way DF wanted it played.DF kept a tight rein.No room to improvise.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 16:01:58 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
OhReally hit it on the head. American musicians and bands can pretty much do and charge what they want over there - the Euros will gobble it up.
The local bands -with few pleasant exceptions- pretty much suck in comparison.
That’s why many US bands tour more in Europe - people flock to see them play - instead of some French piano player who can’t get his head out of his ass for two hours.
Most the headliners at the Festivals are from overseas with European Bands just filling in and killing time more or less. Just look at the lineup of the North Sea Jazz Festival or Montreux, both of which would not exist were it not for US Bands. No one wants to hear or admit that. Europe had their time with the classical era - and like with many other things has since been bypassed. The way things are going over there they have to get ready for more middle eastern music anyways.
So Steely Dan will be just fine and our friends across the pond should feel so privileged to be able to see them one more time in concert.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 15:28:30 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
I can't believe how some of you guys in the US and Europe keep bickering over the set lists, venues, length of shows etc.
Spare a thought for us poor Aussie fans. I 'd kill to see this band play downunder.( Hey Don and Walter, we have casino's down here to ya know! )
From what has been published on the ODP it sounds as if you guys are all in for a real treat this time around.
ENJOY !
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 14:36:47 ET
Posted by: Dave From Acquisitions, Central MA
Hello Dan Fans:
Happened upon a short and cool video called Jazz Debate:Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie in Hot Debate. It kind of reminds me of the part of last summer's SugarMcDan concert in Mansfield where Donald invited the trombone and trumpet player to center stage to settle a dispute. Hope you like it. Also hope to meet many of you in Orlando and Boston.
Mark
The link is http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/jazz-debate-p1.php
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:50:45 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
DEACONBLUE, I couldn't disagree more about Keith Carlock in the studio vs. Ricky Lawson as far as getting a good swinging feel going. I've always felt Ricky Lawson's grooves have been among the most STERILE and BORING I've ever heard. The Two Against Nature DVD concert is absolutely fantastic EXCEPT for Ricky. He TOTALLY drags that entire show down because his grooves are SO lifeless and dull. (I feel compelled to smack him when he plays that really straight, static boring ass groove on an otherwise bouncy Jack of Speed, and he sucks all the life out of the Purdie Shuffle on Babylon Sisters!!!)
A lot of Keith's drumming on Morph the Cat is forced into a really dull groove because of the type of songs Donald gave him to work with. The Great Pagoda of Funn is a fantastic song as far as melody and chord changes, but wow! the rhythm track on it is BORING. He does all he can to add life to the H Gang groove, but his options were kind of limited on that because it asks for as much of straight 4/4 as you can give. What I Do, Mary Shut The Garden Door, Brite Nitegown all have great bouncing grooves because the songs give Keith a little room to add a nice swingin' feel.
A year later, I'm not much on the title track to Morph (the reprise is better, but still not great), but the rest of the album is killer. I love H Gang, particularly that Jon Herington solo that closes it. What I Do is one of my favorites (I'm a sucker for the blues). Brite Nightgown is fantastic funk with a KILLER bridge. Pagoda is beautiful. Security Joan is just plain fun. The Night Belongs To Mona is among the best songs Donald has ever done--the chords, the melody, the arrangement are all absolutely fantastic. The buildup with the horns and harmonica are awesome. Mary Shut The Garden Door is just a damn good song.
So, how does Morph The Cat stack up to The Nightfly and Kamakiriad? Kamakiriad has a few great cuts on it. Snowbound (especially the 5.1 surround mix) is a fabulous song. It's one of my all-time favorites. On The Dunes is right up there as well. Tomorrow's Girls and Florida Room are great tracks. Teahouse On The Tracks and Trans-Island Skyway are pretty solid, though I'm not much on the production and they are just missing a little something, a few changes here and there. Countermoon is OK, but just doesn't quite do it for me. Springtime has a fabulous intro, but the rest of the song when it gets to a funk groove is a little weak for me.
The Nightfly has unfortunately been saddled with a very dated sound as far as the drum sound and sterile feel thanks to the way it was recorded. The songs however are great. IGY is still one of the all time greats. Green Flower Street is a great blues with a killer shuffle from Porcaro. Ruby Baby is OK, but not the best. Maxine is beautiful though I'm not much on the overly-thick vocal harmony (though I totally get why Donald did it), New Frontier has a great bounce and I dig those lyrics, The Nightfly is just quintessential Donald--a great tune. The Goodbye Look and Walk Between The Raindrops are both unique and highly enjoyable songs.
For me, it's Nightfly > Morph > Kamakiriad.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:50:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Lester, not being an efficient and competent reader in no way detracts from a player's ability to deliver. But as a songwriter and a true student of the craft, it is vital. If you want to express yourself with any degree of sophistication and grace within the music, or even if you feel the need to understand what you're listening and enjoying, you must needs have a strong knowledge of the notation. Reading music is essential. And it's not that hard, it just takes some commitment. I couldn't read till I was 32, I went to UCLA for two semesters, had a kick-ass prof who taught as she played the piano and have been eternally grateful ever since. It's like learning a different language but even better cause it speaks to you in a way that transforms you. Music is joy. Music is the sound of life. Move toward the music. And it's never too late. Do it, Dandom.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:32:50 ET
Posted by: Lester Bangs, Berklee College of Music
I thought the Beatles did not know how to read music. But if reading music is crucial to being a credible artist, I guess the Beatles don't qualify
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:29:04 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Biting my tongue
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:28:11 ET
Posted by: Oh, Really, fed up with superior attitudes
Oh, like THAT hasn't been said before. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. Aren't your forests where Trolls originated, by the way? Cheers to you, too.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 13:00:40 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Don't feed the troll!
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 12:58:57 ET
Posted by: Setlist Police,
Lawgator
To the extent that it does not detract from your own enjoyment of the SD show, you should give Dandom the scoop. You are a far better writer and will be much more SD insightful than the reviewer they probably have writing entertainment for the Sentinel. Most major conglomerate newspapers which are going under financially and can't/won't pay for good coverage. There were quite a few atrocities last year with the so-called SD "reviews" that were provided by the press.
Lots of us are on the fence and the tipping point of whether we go or not is predicated on what we see here, on the word of the Blue brethren. Florida will be a major bellwether of what we can expect to see. The Europeans are also counting on it.
This is definitely a pro-bono case if you have ever had one!
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 12:43:14 ET
Posted by: Oh, Really, land of the free
Oh, and Deacon, this is the statement you should check before you repeat it again: "I don't think European people are going to accept that they are going to get a show of a little more than an one hour for 80 or 100 Euros (105-130 USD). " You can either "accept" it or not. SD has a huge following in the states and whether you and you and your fellow euros decide they are not good enough for your high tastes will have no bearing on their success as a band, or their timelessness in our country. Get OVER yourselves!!!
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 12:18:15 ET
Posted by: Irwin Lauhsenhamer,
DB
Us Amekicans doont give a whipped willy what they play or how long. We love spending our money for the honor of being in the same room of our Gods Mr.Steely and Mr. Dan
Enjoy
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 12:10:00 ET
Posted by: HouDan, Houston
Whatever the setlist is during May will likley be what they play in Europe. I think the May and subsequent European shows may be different because of the smaller venues and festival settings. At least I hope so. But, any more than 1:30 would be wishful thinking.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 11:53:30 ET
Posted by: Oh, Really?, the USA
Thank you for your compliments, Hou. I'm just not into being "goody goody" (for lack of a more eloquent word) and hoping our bretheren across the pond get better shows. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander, I dare say. Expressing otherwise is just phoney.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 11:27:37 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
"Oh Really"...so eloquently said, you have such a charming way with words. Unfortunately for the European fans, you may be right. But you never know.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 11:26:21 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Time forgot
SetPolice:
Ha ha. Very funny. Pick on us lawyers all you want, but... well ... screw it just go ahead and make fun.
As to the Orlando set list, you probably won't get much from me. For one thing, with any luck, I'll still be, er, busy when people are on here looking to see what they played. Also, more likely than not, many will have posted the setlists from points both south and north of here, so won't be anything to add.
On the subject of MTC. Folks, let's face facts. It takes fans of Fagen and/or the Dan to really get much of a charge out of that CD. It does not have anywhere close to the mass appeal of the prior Fagen solo efforts. To me, the grooviest tune is the title track, and that's no "New Frontier" or "IGY." Doesn't mean it isn't as good. I just don't think there is the same broad appeal.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 10:40:57 ET
Posted by: Oh, really?, America
Oh, and WHY do the Europeans have higher expectations and "deserve more" than the US fans, who are shelling out the same amount (or more) of piasters for the shows here? I think, my friend, you are deluding yourself. It would be heresy if they performed their shows a la 2003 in Europe if the US is getting significantly less. Why do YOU feel so damn privledged? I'm sick of pussy footing around everyone. Sorry, just speaking my mind, not trying to start a war here.
Date: Sun, March 18, 2007, 08:27:04 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
This summer, will be unforgetable for all European fans.
I hope they will pass here in Belgium too but Paris is going to be great too. For all those ones that are thinking to go to France, i suggest to hurry up. The tickets are selling quiet well. "Le Grand Rex" is a great venue with a capacity about 2650 people in the heart of city of lights.
But sincerely, i'm hoping that the setlist will be a little bit longer than in Chumash or Friant. Maybe one hour and 15 minutes was contractuel the maximum they could do in those casinos. And we know that setlist on the forthcoming jazzfestivals never are longer than 1h15m.
But what about the normal concerts, like in the UK, France or Germany? I don't think European people are going to accept that they are going to get a show of a little more than an one hour for 80 or 100 Euros (105-130 USD).
The consideration here for Steely Dan is very big, so are the expextations as well.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 23:52:52 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, reflecting
Daughter no. 1's favorite SD song is Blues Beach. Daughter No. 2's favorite SD song is Bad Sneakers. I am happy that they know the repetoire and can logically discuss their preferences. How many bands can you articulate why you prefer one album/cd over another and digress into specifics?
Not so many. AND I am pretty good at listening (although not loving and/or buying) much of what they listen to. Its only fair.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 22:16:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I called you that because you are at one in the same time very fun to be with and also a very strong young woman to boot. I have a young girl whom you remind me of, my daughter. You're aces with me, dear young lady. Long may you wave, be careful in your choice of young men, look deep. Measure twice, cut once.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 21:41:15 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Rajah, that was sweet. I've never been called a flower before.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 18:29:57 ET
Posted by: Taste in art, cannot be legislated,
Wouldn't concern yourself over musical tastes of the offspring. It is a fruitless exercise. Especially when it comes to the Dan.
Many of the greyheads in Dandom seem to be suffering from "magnesia", as Ricky Ricardo used to say. The Dan NEVER had the mass appeal of say the Stones, Van Halen or other mega sellers. The Dan had some high mass appeal periods but the lasting appeal was mostly to those kids who were "bookish" or had genetic coding for jazz and R&B. I for one could never understand why everybody it seemed liked heavy metal, screaming guitar, non-melodic music. But it was more the general buzz of that time, peer pressure and flavor of the month forces were at work. Many of those bands are long gone.
But the screamin metal guitar, did have mass appeal from Alaska to Appalachia. The lasting Dan appeal resides mostly East Coast, urban places where jazz and R&B have been historically ingrained.
Many of the most popular, biggest selling acts in music could not play instruments, could not even read music much less compose it. Some of the most obscure acts, or those who never made it were very accomplished. There are quite a few reasons which drive people to "like" certain groups some of which are what is the buzz at the time, what are my friends into, what cool gimmick/outfit does the artist have, do they have a cool video etc. So they used to go out and buy it, listen to it, throw it in the back of the closet and were on to the NEXT buzz. So it is actually an EXCEPTION where people actually buy, keep and listen to music for a lifetime, such is the case with the Danheads, and others artists that have stood the test of time because they were truly talented muscially. It is fans of a particular genre or audiophiles that are in a small minority, which might generally describe the Danfan.
Now speaking of the Dan, yes, unless you really get into it, to the casual unindoctrinated listener their music sounds the same! Donald's voice is unique and unmistakable, and he does reuse and derive much of his composition from prior work. Morph is fairly non-derivative, it seems, maybe that is why in some sense it takes awhile to get used to.
So, our kids are going to do what they are going to do, especially in today's fragmented entertainment scene where there are so many diversions and choices compared to when the Dan greyheads grew up. But if they don't have that "jazzy bluesy gene", which can be recessive (actually my grandmother was the be-bopper, into the Mills Bros, Ink Spots, Lionel Hampton etc.) and it only skipped to me an my sister, today's kids are going to make their own way down the entertainment path/
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 17:58:53 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
SADanFan,
I hope you and your daughter have a great time in NYC. I'm sure the show will be a fine one.
I am currently holding tix for Wallingford and will get Boston tix also, still on the fence for NYC, but I am tempted! I will probably give in and buy them. It's not that I don't appreciate the home court advantage, as it were, but the money, time off from work (again), etc.
(Also, cajoling a spouse that also has to take time off from work...) These things take time, at least until I run out of patience and just go!
Cheers
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 14:29:57 ET
Posted by: TWM, straddling the Blarney Stone, Guiness in hand...
My kids are 7 and 8, and LOVE Steely Dan and Donald's music. They request it when on the road. My hope is that they do not grow out of it, and develope similar likes and are not too influenced by their peers, tv and radio. (HIP HOP- AAAARRGGGG!!!)
time will tell. Doug in Ct
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 13:20:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah, maybe there is hope...
Youngling, you have no idea how that helps.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 13:00:44 ET
Posted by: JH,
To the aging parents:
I am 24 and have been listening to SD for about 5 years now. I dislike nearly all of the music of my generation. My parents listen to Van Halen, Def Leppard, AC/DC, you know the type (yuck). I have also gotten into jazz quite heavily, something my parents don't even consider listening to and never have. So, I guess musical taste is not hereditary for most.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 12:50:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hou - it seems very trivial and downright silly to be troubled by the fact that my kids don't see how exquisite the Steely Dan songbook truly is. I really hoped the so-called "generation gap" had been narrowed considerably by the iconolastic and tolerant nature of the Boomer generation. I hoped that gap between my folks, the Jerry Vale, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Bobbie Darin GOOMBA generation would not be promulgated by my generation. But it's still there, the kids loath my taste in music. Why, I just can't fathom. They like Miles, that's a ray of hope, hey maybe it's just a function of age and time. I'm hoping anyway. But then I meet someone like our flower Margaret and so many others and wonder well, shit, if these young people get it, why don't mine?
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 12:37:13 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Concerning the discussion aboutMorph The Cat one year later, i would like to say the following: MTC never will be such a great classic album as The Nightfly or Aja.
In my own personal opinion, i think that the rytmh of the music is a nlittle bit to slow. I mean that MTC doesn't swing like The Nightfly or Two against nature. The same thing happens with EMG.
Now, i have no doubts about the capacity of Keith Carlock. He's a great drummer and always is doing it superwell live in concert.
He did a very good job during Donalds tour last year and i am specially thinking about his contribution on songs like The Goodbye Look but most of all Third world man.
But i still thinking that he's no Steely Dan drummer, at least in studio. I was comparing his studiowork with por example Ricky Lawson.
This guy gave a lot more swinging drumwork than Keith.
MTC isn't in my top 5 albums, at least not for this moment. I had the same feeling with TAN 7 years ago and also with Kamakiriad in'93. And look both of them still are one of my favourites.
Like every Danalbum, MTC deserves more time.
It's a great album but one level under The Nightfly, Aja, Gaucho, TAN or the earlier albums.
But let there no misunderstanding: MTC stays 10 levels above all the contemporary shit we hear today.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 12:22:15 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Close Raj....only about 180 miles...mine are 26 and 23 and I got the same reaction when I slipped in Aja on the cd 10 years ago. The never got it.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 12:14:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Is Houston the same as San Antonio? Ooops...
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 12:01:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hou - Hope you and your little girl have a great time in NYC, that should be a very nice memory years from now. My daughter is grown up, married, a mom now, yikes, but she still remembers me playing Rikki when she was a tot, and now she HATES Steely Dan. She and her husband are great music fans, eclectic, ya know, too hip for the room, Radiohead types, and their gripe with SD is that everything sounds the same. They roll their eyes at mu-chords, the augmentations and the suspensions all sort of blend into one big crashing bore is what I get from them. Where oh where did I go wrong?
My finest moment as a Dad came in 1991 when she visited me from back east in DC. I took her to the old Sports Arena here in LA for triple bill of some jokers named Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Red Hot Chili Peppers. That's her Kodak moment. For me, well, it was nice and all but I kept wondering when the brass section would come on. Never happened. Little soloing. Just a lot of tribal sturm und drang.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 11:35:41 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I agree
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 11:31:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Betty darlin', no honey, not the El Camino. Don't do it, that car is a classic. Fly him out to Toledo. Pack him a lunch and drop him off at the freeway to hitch a ride. Oh Lordhelpus, another Steely Dan-related casualty, I feel partly responsible. Such a kind, fine and decent man, our Craig, I'd hate to see him in Danny De-tox.
Morph is a creepy critter, like the rest of the album, like its auteur as well. The H-Gang guitar solo is very satisfying, it rips, it burns, it's like a high-tension wire snaking around on the pavement, it's dangerous. Which brings me to this...
Don't want to start a war here but Donald's tour last year was much more entertaining than the Steely Dan shows. I liked the two-man brass section, it's easier to enjoy the two instruments without the bari-sax and tombone and I loved Wayne Krantz and Jon together. Love ya Wally but Wayne is on a whole different level as a player. WB does that Grant Green one-note-at-a time bebop guitar and he showed some life at Chumash but when it comes to taking the bit between his teeth and extending boldly, he ain't no match for Krantz. And Krantz takes the pressure off Jon. Krantz is an inventive and unpredictable player. I'd much rather see a Donald show at this point. Steely Dan should be drawing heavily from the last two records. They're approaching the danger zone of becoming a Tribute band locked inside a nostalgia bubble. Maybe it's what they have to do to book these dates but if that trend isn't curtailed, these choices might very well wear away at their credibility within the music community. Pragmatism is one thing, selling out is death to the soul.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 10:13:07 ET
Posted by: Betty B,
For sale or trade 1967 El Camino (needs tranny, engine ,tires, body work ,sorta new terry cloth guts but great stereo ) for Beacon June 11 tix with airfare to NYC. Email my whiney husband.
Thanks
Betty B.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 10:02:31 ET
Posted by: Chan, Snow and Ice Bound
Fife, Congrats on your seats!! Good job.
Not to digress, but we here in northern MA are encased in 12 inches of snow that fell last night. Then over an inch of rain has now frozen solid on top of it. I just shoveled the heaviest crap of all time. Add the remnance of last nights libations and I am one hurtin Chan today. No loud arguing today here in the Blue, my head can't take it.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 09:45:47 ET
Posted by: Upper Darby, here we come!
You might want to give the Live Nation site a try for Tower Theatre tix. I got 9th row....
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 09:20:24 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore, eh
Whoohoo!!!
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 09:14:05 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
Fife, I think you're about 12 rows back...nice work! I wasn't getting anything that close form Ticketmaster...
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 09:10:43 ET
Posted by: Fife, charm city
Well I got orch r row ff for the Tower on the 24th, whoohoo. Can anyone tell me if this is good, looks it.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 08:21:35 ET
Posted by: angel,
Make that part of the first set. Up to Band Intros. Sorry, it's early here.
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 08:19:41 ET
Posted by: angel,
Yes, Steely Dan played Blues Beach at Paso Robles.
I was there. Here was the first set.
Paso Robles July 24, 2003 (Second day of their tour)
Set 1
Cubano Chant (Band Only)
Aja
Time Out of Mind
Godwacker
Caves of Altamira
Blues Beach
Do it Again
Slang of Ages (Walter)
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 07:46:27 ET
Posted by: Fife, sitting here patiently
That's the great thing about the Dan's albums. You buy them, listen to them for awhile, put them away, and when the time is right you pull them out again and savour them like a fine wine or in my case the lovely filet mignon that I cooked up last Tuesday.
It took me awhile to get into Gaucho but I hit a certain age where the lyrics were something I could identify with. 2Vn I got into right away as I did, so very long ago, with Aja. Morph is taking me awhile but I do listen to it on occasion and it brings me back to last March and the thrill of seeing Don and the Gang. A great birthday present Thanks.
Is it 10am yet???
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 05:02:34 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Great take on it, sharkdeville
I agree with you on most of your observations. Just to additional comments:
- After being real tired of H Gang for a while it's had quite the comeback on my stereo. It's so grrovy and unpretentious.
- After a year I would still rate The Nightfly higher, simply because it feels more like an album. Morph is to me a collection of songs, and as much as I love Pagoda and like Nite, the difference between them are just to big. That beeing said there are absolutely fantastic songs on Morph - especially the title track! But it's just not a very homogeneous piece of work.
(maybe I'm just negative, cause the Dan ain't coming to Denmark...)
Date: Sat, March 17, 2007, 03:25:08 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, florida room
Morph the Cat one year later... I'll bite (mango cooler in hand!)
The album has only grown on me. At first I didn't think it stood up to 'The Nightfly' or 'Kamakiriad', but now i definitely think so. In many ways, i think it is Donald's most revealing work, and most personal. We are so used to the idealized (Nightfly), or science-fictionalized (Kama)... i think Morph was surprising real. I think I was looking for some of the "post 9/11" sentiment on EMG that I hear on tunes like "Pagoda" and "Mona"...
I always liked the title track, especially the weird descending chorus. I have wondered if Morph the Cat was code for marijuana. Laughing on the grass? (morph=marijuana, the cat=TH C) Rabelasian puff of smoke indeed.
"H-Gang" i generally skip. Just doesn't do much for me.
"What I Do" is just fantastic. Again, a very REAL and heartfelt tune. Based in reality, even though it's a fantasy. Classic changes. A real keeper.
"Bright Nightgown" seems a fitting tune to follow the ode to Ray. So cool and funky. And catchy. Great horns and harmonies.
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"... one of Donald's sweetest love songs. And only a Donald Fagen love song could include "severed heads" and "psycho moms" in the lyrics and still get away with being so innocent and romantic. It took a few listens for me to get it, but I put this up there with some of Donald's finest work. a true revelation in the Steely Dan catalog.
"Security Joan"... topical, sexy, and hilarious. it's a lot of fun. I don't know if it stands up to repeated listens, but it is a lighthearted and lusty look at "post 9/11", which is nice after the more sobering stanzas of "Pagoda"...
"The Night Belongs To Mona"... another gem. I put this one on a pedestal. The opening chords are up there with "Deacon Blues" and pure Donald. more heartfelt reflecting on the post-9/11 psyche.
"Mary Shut the Garden Door" is another one that i generally skip. I like the anti-GOP sci-fi vibe, and the bridge is a thing of beauty, but this one bores me, ultimately. sorry...
i place MTC very highly, and quite unique in the Dan pantheon.
Donald's solo tour was just fantastic. I caught 3 shows, and it was such a treat to hear tunes like "Western World", "New Frontier", and "Countermoon". I would love to hear a recording of "Maxine" or "Morph"... anyone?
as an aside, did they EVER do "Blues Beach" live? I'd love to hear it. GREAT TUNE!
and the rearrangement they did on "Rikki" in '96 was way cool. the way they changed key at the solo, and then slipped back into the original key was brilliant. '96 was a great tour. "Wet Side Story" is another lost classic.
here's my short list of tunes I'd like to hear this tour:
Your Gold Teeth I and/or II (medley?)
Almost Gothic
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Razor Boy
Pearl of the Quarter
King of the World
Any Major Dude
Rose Darling
Pixeleen
but really, I'll be happy if they just
DO
THE
WU
and I am totally buying this 11 Tracks of Whack subtext... hilarious!
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 23:03:37 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Houston
Indeed, we never know.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 21:34:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
TWM - Borat was a one-trick pony movie docudrama. Verry entertaining in the Jackass frame of reference.
Now Morph the Cat is a strange beast. I have the double vinyl album of it, sucjh great sound, my favorites continue to be What I Do, Pagoda and Mary. This record is only a year old, it will take some time before we can place it in the pantheon of Dandom. A year is a relatively breif time within which to adjudge its relative worth.
I need more time.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 19:56:15 ET
Posted by: A Friend, Way out on the fringes
Wolf Trap? Really? Not "Just A Rumor?"
Shocking...
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 11:34:39 ET
Posted by: Just A Rumor,
[Posted by: A Friend, Way out on the fringes
The 6/7 date for Wolf Trap in Vienna, VA (just outside of The District) is confirmed. Presale information has gone out to "patrons"]-----
There is no mention of this date at SD.com. I'm sure it is just a Rumor. PS, We like our "Spoons" over hear with two o's, just like
we like our whiskey with an 'e'.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 19:12:10 ET
Posted by: Fife, trapped inside!!
Hanging around the green if anyone is interested.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 18:28:17 ET
Posted by: TWM again, Kazikstan
OT
Did anyone else think borat sucked? just rented it-
after becoming a big fan of Sacha Baron Cohen from "the Ali G Show", Borat was a letdown. Yes, a few funny moments but overall, ehh...
Doug in Ct
ok i was listening to sd while watching the movie :)
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 18:19:09 ET
Posted by: TWM, here, near the chevrolet theatre
had a minor epiphanie, anyone see things this way as well?
While re-listening to MTC after several months of avoiding it, I realized that the only tracks that I can still stand are (sometimes) Morph the cat, Mary, Pagoda, Mona, and the reprise. Sad, really, for a Steely Dan related album. I can only listen to it once every few months now, and I thought this about it:
Older, classic SD albums are attached, associated with our lost youth, those familiar sounds bring back a more golden time for many of us. Morph can never take a place in line with the rest of their body of work because it lacks those essential connections to our golden years, days of youthful exuberance that are forever etched in our collective psyches.
just a thought, Raj, whatchuthink?
Doug in Ct, patiently waiting for Wallingford
paz
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 17:57:28 ET
Posted by: Setlist Police,
About the beginning rash of shows in Florida.
Fortunately we do have a resource to give us the early scoop in the Florida Lawgator.
We can get his deposition in the "discovery" phase of this SD tour.
He can give it to us on 8 1/2 by 14 inch bond.
Are you with us Lawgator? (wailing sax) Can you hear us Lawgator? (wailing sax) Are you with us Lawgator.....can you hear us......
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:58:31 ET
Posted by: Horst,
Ach! If only I hadden a girfriendt likken dat...such goot legs...
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:57:38 ET
Posted by: Brunhilda, scullery
She needs a new pair of Manolos iz allen, methinks.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:56:25 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, Lab
She needs zome zeriouz terapy mein friendt.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:54:56 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef, on the plane
She needs a strong pimp hand, Rajanissha...
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:50:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Pimp-D
You are excessive.
You are crazy.
And if you used my AMEX card for that ticket, you WILL regret it.
Curb your dog, spouse.
Old School I'm In No Mood To Be Fucked With Papa Rajah
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 16:32:25 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Snowbound, Snowed In, Snowed Under
OK, call me excessive, (or crazy) but I just purchased another NYC show. Who's braving the NYC summer heat to see the June 11 show? What the hell, it's the summer of Steely Dan.
This weather blows.........
G
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 15:33:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah, here we go AGAIN
Hey there, Again, you got a hole in your soul, no dip to yer hip, no slide to your glide and I bet you don't eat fried chicken on Sunday. Move along lil doggie, the Air Supply official site called, yeah, they're waitin for ya.
Chico you suck
Can a Wup-Ass Rajah
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 15:24:52 ET
Posted by: Zembo, Snowy/Icy Fredneck, MD
I got the PL handbag! Now I can be fashionable at Wolf Trap! Thanks LWO!
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 15:17:24 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Hey Gretchen, Email me I have something for you.
HeyMike
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 14:46:02 ET
Posted by: Lost Wages,
Again? Here's a lyric for you: I think this is from Showbiz Kids.
"I've been around the world, I've been to the Toledo Zoo".
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 14:39:34 ET
Posted by: Again?,
Hey Mu - Put a link up to those lyrics.
Why do some people (Rajah) feel the need to post full lyrics to songs on here? I'd rather read the Viagra ads.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 14:38:43 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NY
2 shows then 2 weeks off then 2 more shows.
All this and Mets vs. Yankees too!
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 14:02:10 ET
Posted by: CB,
June 11th added@ Beacon
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 13:47:28 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, left of the Rio Grande
"PETE TOWNSHEND, GIRLFRIEND BRING ATTIC JAM TO SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST
Pete Townshend dipped into the Who songbook Thursday night (March 15th) as he and girlfriend Rachel Fuller brought their Attic Jam concert series to the South By Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. Jokingly complaining about the opening the two-hour and 15-minute show, Townshend launched the evening with a rendition of "Drowned" from the Quadrophenia album. He later closed the show with "In The Ether" from the Who's latest album, Endless Wire, and "I Can't Reach You," a Who chestnut from the '60s that he told the crowd at La Zona Rosa "not only have I never played in public, nobody I know has played this song in public.""
Crap. Just 2 hours away from a miracle...and I'm watching Duke choke in the NCAAs. I Can't Reach You is the finest song Townshend ever recorded with or without the Who.
I'm a million ages past you
A million years behind you too
A thousand miles up in the air
A trillion times I've seen you there
Your hair is golden, mine is grey
You walk on grass, it turns to hay
Your blood is blue and mine is red
My body strains, but the nerves are dead
I can't reach you
I've strained my eyes
I can't reach you
I've split my sides
I can't reach
Tryin' to get on you
See, feel or hear from you
The distances grow greater now
You drink champagne and past me plow
You fly your plane right over my head
You're still alive and I'm nearly dead
I can't reach you
With arms outstretched
I can't reach you
I crane my neck
I can't reach
Tryin' to get on you
See, feel or hear from you
Once I caught a glimpse
Of your unguarded, untouched heart
Our fingertips touched and then
My mind tore us apart
I can't reach you
With arms outstretched
I can't reach you
I crane my neck
I can't reach
Tryin' to get on you
See, feel or hear from you
I can't reach you
With arms outstretched
I can't reach you
I crane my neck
I can't reach
Tryin' to get on you
See, feel or hear from you
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 13:22:22 ET
Posted by: Stay Home,
Thoughts? Well, um, it's not like they are setting up in the orangutan pit or on the grassy knoll in the picnic area. There is an intimate legitimate amphitheater at the Toledo Zoo.
The Beacon holds 2,800
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 13:05:32 ET
Posted by: Greco, wisconsin
Steely Dan playin @ The Toledo Zoo?
Don't they have any dignity?
Man, u can't get any lower then that?
thoughts?
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 12:42:50 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
How many people does the Beacon hold?
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 12:19:21 ET
Posted by: Beacon 4th Night, ON SALE NOW
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 11:42:19 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Chris:
Well said and elegantly put.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 11:20:05 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer,
June 10th sold out
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 10:09:35 ET
Posted by: thismoodyticketbastard, looserville
Hey LadyBayside,
How does that go again-
I walked 10 miles with no shoes!
Shoes? I wish I had shoes! I walked in my stocking feet!
Feet? I wish I had feet!..etc,
You were lucky to get orchestra and turn it down! It was a maddening ticketbastard experience this morning. At precisely 9AM there were no tickets. At 9AM and 30 seconds there were no tickets. At 9:01 there were no tickets. At 9:02 there were no tickets. Loge appeared for me at 9:04. I rejected them. There were no more tickets until 9:25.
Not wanting to sit all the way in on the left, 40 rows back, for 350 bucks, I decided that the best thing to do would be to ptotest these shenanigans and not buy anything. So I will sit this one out.
Hopefully others will do the same. Things should go back to the way they were when you had to turn up at the box office to score seats. At least then I could see the scalpers waiting in front of me. Leaving everything up to the cybergods favors only the rich, powerful, or high speed connected. It may very well be capitalism, but it looks like crony captitalism to me. So I will do the free market thing thing, and take my money elsewhere.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 10:01:31 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
vincint, i know it was partially in jest, and I know don and walt don't read the blue (at least I hope they don't), but can you imagine how insulting it is to tell a musician what to play at a gig? they're not a wedding band, they're steely dan. it's one thing to hope for a song to be played and discuss dream setlists, but your "straight talk" is kind of disrespectful. they structure their setlists this way for a reason, and it's not out of ignorance after 14 years of touring.
my band once played a free show. as we were breaking down, some asshole came up to me who i had never met and told me that we were "pretty good, but [I] played too many notes." i didn't solicit his opinion, he didn't pay to get in, he didn't preface it by "can i give you some advice?" and i found out he wasn't even a musician. to this day i wonder what made him think his advice would be considered valid by us.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 09:42:45 ET
Posted by: looking for , 2 tickets for the orlando show May 12
Also what airport to fly into.And a place to stay close to the venue.Flying from Calif. e-mail gandjg@verizon.net thanks Gary
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 09:22:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
On sd.com "more" was added to the site. Must be for euro dates Right?
Folic acid works better if crushed and snorted
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 09:11:12 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Gretchen I thought you hated the Soboba
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:39:33 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, digging the luck of our friends across the sea...
Hey Looky-there!
FINALLY, some dates for the Danners over yonder 'cross the Big Pond! You're in for a Hell of a show...Godamighty, I'd love to be there with you (and I wouldn't be shocked if six or eight more dates were added).
I'm happy for you, neighbors. Show the Boys (and Girls!) some love on our behalf, if you please, and get ready to get your groove on, wouldja? 'Cause y'know they've got a Hell of a band! Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:31:36 ET
Posted by: LadyBayside, CT, snowbound
Hey all,
I have never had such difficulty getting even marginally decent seats as I have had with Ticketmonster and the Beacon. Finally scored Loge seats for me and my firstborn, who requested tickets to the 6/10 concert for her birthday. I don't remember my parents spending $350 on a present for MY *eighth* birthday, but heck, I have to encourage her love of all things Dannish. (Not Danish!)
She rejected floor seats because she wants to be able to see them (in case folks in front of us stand up) and because 'the sound might be better a bit farther back'. Geez, who is this kid?
So, I am set for all NYC shows. I just wish I could go to Paris, but travelling with a four month old (by then) not a likely possibility. I will live vicariously!
LadyB
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:29:12 ET
Posted by: Vincent Egan, Glasgow, UK
Pending further hystrionics from spirited patriots might I just add:
The term 'AmeriKKKa' is irony (something Dan fans should be intimate with) - I love America and Americans, and use the term to satirise weenies who believe the US should be more like Iraq, Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
sorry if this does not come across - anyone who loves Steely Dan, ethnically diverse popular music of the middle 20th century and the cool intelligence of the best jazz is surely immersed in what is the classical music of our times - and is not about to reject capitalism, freedom, etc. for a nose-ring and dreadlocks.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:28:27 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK
Vincent UK. The Dan's back catalogue is so wonderful that it really does not matter that they can arguably be a litte lazy with the set list. I am sure you will have a great time at the Birmingham show and there will be several surprises.
I have got tickets with friends and relatives for both Liverpool on the Friday and London Saturday. I simply have to go at least twice this time. Seven years has been a long wait and who knows this could be the last time our heroes play the UK ( hopefully not ! ). I am glad the venues are smaller than the last UK visit as Wembley Arena is an awful venue with no intimacy. I cant wait for the Apollo show. Also, the previous UK visits were on the back of the comeback album and attracted more non committed Dan fans and those simply curious. I am sure the smaller venus will have a much better atmosphere !
If there are any UK Danfests being organised I would be happy to meet any fellow disciples !
Anne, Borneo. You are spot on ! The boys should be playing in Manchester. It was the venue for their first UK gig all those years ago and is a very appreciative crowd, usually. SD have a big following in Manchester. As you mentioned, maybe Don is getting old but Steely Dan never played in Liverpool. Also, there is a quote from Don praising Liverpool and also the reporter gets it totally wrong by saying Don produced China Crisis, when we all know it was Walter !!
Anyway, who cares ? I cant wait to see the greatest American band of all time gracing the UK stage again !
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:16:59 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Got it Old Bunny.....A[lexi], right ?
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 08:05:45 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
It's OFFICIAL
STEELY DAN IN PARIS the 10th of july in "Le Grand Rex"
That's the day after the great legend "Al Green", for the soulsurvivors between us.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 07:37:25 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Trans-Island Skyway
Cheers to the european fans!!!! You've got your dates. Have fun!!!
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 07:07:18 ET
Posted by: Vincent Egan, Glasgow, UK
Yay, my dilemma - do I see the chaps in AmeriKKKa (none of the mainland Europe dates being feasible) - is resolved: one 11th row centre block ticket for Birmingham. Gotta drive in from Glasgow as due in London the following day, but that's no biggie.
Now, Don and Walt, it's time for straight talking. The audience will not generally comprise new kids getting into you guys. The audience will include many of the folks who saw you at the NEC in 1996 and 2000 (me included). So no lazy setlist, hey? We understand a few biggies, but an encore sequence of (perm 2 of 3) 'My Old School', 'Don't take Me Alive', and 'FM' is NOT AN OPTION. For my £51.50 (including booking charge) we want a few deep cuts, a cover or 2, some jazzy jammin', and some solo stuff.
Anyone seeking a Danfest balti (even taking over a nearby baltihouse - RAJAH would approve), please contact me. Don and Walt - you're invited too, if you eat before a show.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 06:27:17 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Find the tangential reference:
PETE TOWNSHEND, GIRLFRIEND BRING ATTIC JAM TO SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST
Pete Townshend dipped into the Who songbook Thursday night (March 15th) as he and girlfriend Rachel Fuller brought their Attic Jam concert series to the South By Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. Jokingly complaining about the opening the two-hour and 15-minute show, Townshend launched the evening with a rendition of "Drowned" from the Quadrophenia album. He later closed the show with "In The Ether" from the Who's latest album, Endless Wire, and "I Can't Reach You," a Who chestnut from the '60s that he told the crowd at La Zona Rosa "not only have I never played in public, nobody I know has played this song in public."
* Townshend also served as a sideman for the night's other performers -- Martha Wainwright, Massachusetts troubadour Willy Mason, new British sensation Mika, British singer-songwriter Alexi Murdoch, and Joe Purdy, a Los Angeles artist with whom Townshend performed a duet version of his solo hit "Let My Love Open The Door."
* Townshend is also rumored to be joining the Scottish band the Fratellis for a song at a party sponsored by Spin magazine today (Friday, March 16th) at South By Southwest.
* Fuller has teamed with iTunes to release some previous Attic Jam performances through the Internet music service.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 05:53:51 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London
Hammersmith - row H, but right on the end. I think that I had same row but centre, last time. Still, can't complain. Counting the days.
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 05:26:41 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Lucky Henry....check ticket master.
Luck of the Devil, Duncan!!!! I'm in side stalls there, but never mind I've got front row for Birmingham and when I logged on to Liverpool, I also got front row centre, but when I went to confirm, it told me my 2 mins had run out....NO WAY!!! I tried and tried in vane....and ALL of the centre seating was blocked....obviously corporate stuff....bastards!!! Anyway, I've got seats, that's all that matters!!
Officially the London show is the only one I can attend, and I will arrive in to London on the morning of that show....very jet lagged, after having done a 20 hr flight ......unless I can find a way of officially finishing the school term before my allotted time!!! Working on that one, but if anyone has any great ideas, let me know!!
Girl Margaret, thanks for all the encouragement re-the off-spring. She's a lovely girl (how could she be anything else...her mother's daughter, of course!!!)....she's even specialising in sound engineering as she's got such good ears and picks up things in recordings that I don't even hear......but OMG her tastes in music need a SERIOUS overhaul!! I mean....Cold Play...like BORING!!!.. Keane...yeah, OK, but you can only take so much.....she even likes some techno stuff....ok, yeah, the dancing, I know....but when I asked her what was there NOT to like about the Dan, she said....(wait for it and sit down if you are of unstable disposition)...."I think it's Donald Fagen's voice" .....WAH!!!!!!!!!!!! How could a child of my loin utter such blasphemy!!!!!!!!! So let's hope that seeing the master live helps to change her mind!!!!
Tonight I will dream sweet dreams!
:-)
Love you all out there in Greater Dandom!
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 04:44:13 ET
Posted by: Unlucky Henry, U.K.
Haven't been near this place in months - just checked it out and amidst all the delightful vitriol, backbiting, gobbledegook and one-upmanship I see talk of SD gigs in Europe...where can I find the dates listed ? They weren't on the most recent official newsletter. Or is it all just fantasy....?
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 04:17:39 ET
Posted by: duncan,
09:00 GMT Hammersmith UK now on sale
got 2 nice seats in the 3rd row dead center.
happy now
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007, 01:54:04 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Gretchen - DF didn't sing it! Who cares?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 23:21:28 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
PU, when you smile, your moniker says it all.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 23:04:08 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
As it turns out, left wing hooey can stink up a joint, too.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 21:34:49 ET
Posted by: PU is right, superstition by the sea
Every time I come by here it's more like a cargo cult then before.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 21:06:48 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Blue Book Purgatory
Hoops:
Shhhhh....!!!!!
Don't wake up the beast.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 20:17:20 ET
Posted by: PR? Pee....U!,
That paragraph on sd.com is talking a good game, as was that stuff in Nostradamus when it went something like this tour was going to "fuel Steely creativity...."
Let's just say we are going to be watching closely from the initial returns from the Florida precincts early in this campaign and see if these "cuts" are as deep as advertised. I think some people in or close to the Steely camp might be browsing the Blue and they might be going to crank some of the requests into the big show. Past performances of Pixeleen, Dr Wu rehearsal and the Walt solo on "Monkey" @Soboba were all suggested on the Blue, and "mysteriously" appeared. Far from being coincidental, IMO.
BTW, Rajah suggested Green Book. That one was virtually done by default under the guise of "Teahouse on the Tracks" on the Don F solo tour. The other cuts Raj suggests would also be cool.
I would also hope that they do some cuts like The Nightfly, Things I Miss Most and some others which are strong piano numbers requiring less vocal demands where Don F could let his fingers do the talking and maybe give his voice a rest.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 20:01:53 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Let's not forget that "Any World" was also played during the tour opener in Milwaukee last year and it is THE ONLY time Mr. Fagen sang lead on it. Very rough version though.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 19:59:03 ET
Posted by: Carleton S. Finkbeiner, Mayor, Toledo
My fellow Ohioans and ToleDans, the concert at our world-famous zoo will ROCK, trust me on this one. We've got our hottest go-go dancers, Daisey and Dallas, prepped for a shimmy-shake in on-stage cages in rehearsal as we speak.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 19:18:55 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
That's NOT an amphitheatre, brah, it was designed as a combat arena for the Christians vs. Lions Big Rigg Tractor Pull Spectacular. C'mon, a giraffe braying in the backround to FM? Put him in the horn section. Does he have a his cabaret card for venues zoological?
I mean, go Toledo, love those Mudhens, Klinker could really wear a ballgown but the whole idea of it is more than a little ironic is it not?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 19:13:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ah yes I remember it well
Yes, petal, but it was such a completely different treatment and Jeff Young who is so very underrated as a singer did it smooth as silk. How could I forget? Get the Folic Acid, I think I'm listing.
AD, I dunno, Turban and all I just don't see them back here after Europe. Donald's pipes will be as ragged as the fringe on a flapper's skirt. My sensors tell me we are in for a longish wait while Steely Dan 10 is made. 2010 was my prediction a few years ago. With a record as good as CTE, Katy Lied, Aja or 2vN...let the cycle be unbroken.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 19:07:09 ET
Posted by: angel,
Any World was also played at San Diego. :-)
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 18:58:01 ET
Posted by: me, .
The Toledo Zoo has an amphitheater. Paul Simon has played there.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 18:07:20 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Rajah, "Any World" was played at my very favorite venue last summer....SOBOBA! Remember, it was a reggae version of the song.
G
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 18:04:03 ET
Posted by: Suggestion #10689, DC
Isn't it time those Show Biz Kids returned to play the Washington Zoo?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 17:51:20 ET
Posted by: adorable ghost, workin it in the Danish capital of America
Jim, you're the best.
I had a dream (possibly precognitive) that SD was playing in Ventura (yeah I know, Ventura, random) in October and tickets were going on sale in June...who's the turbaned one now...
That's all for now, love this place!!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 17:33:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
But you will own that the Toledo Zoo gig is quite a departure. Maybe they'll set up at Monkey Island? They have song for that one. Headlining the 2nd Annual Plant Sale? Orchids in the Rain. How about Dr. Wu for the new Butterfly Exhibit we're all so gassed over? Don & Walt over at the Natural Feeding & Training Demonstration? No I got it, hosting National Migratory Bird Day during Senior Discovery Days, that's the plum.
We used to go on school field trips to the Toledo Zoo from Cleveland in the 60s. The excitement was killing, literally vibrating from the frenzied expectation of perhaps seeing a pair of hippos humping. Toldedo Zoo trips provided the keenest of motivations for the Young Rajini to get the hell out of Ohio and become the international jet setting bon vivant he surely is today, Turban and man-diapered though I am.
Let's hope it does the same for Don and Walt and they return to the true home of Steely Dan, the birthplace of Steely Dan, the Universal Amphitheatre in Hollywood, California.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 16:57:55 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Agreed Jim. I hope your "hunch" is correct. Have a great weekend sir.
PS- Why do they dye the river green in "Chi-tonw"(My new tatoo)? It's always green!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 16:23:00 ET
Posted by: hoops, west loop, chicago
Milo
Yes, they play NE dates pretty much every tour--they are New York-based--and oh, yes, they blew off ALL OF NYC area in 1994. And this could be the first year they tour since they came back some 15 years ago without hitting the Chicago area, etc, etc. My schedule and finances are shaping up that I will probably be able to make just a couple through July. But my points are this: I suspect they will play NE for now, then other regions probably. Seems like a different cycle of touring than the past 15 years is all, stretching a tour out over a year or two rather than a massive 2-3 month marathon, with some . That's all I'm saying, on a hunch. The other point is, you can whine all you want, it ain't gonna make them come in the next 3-4 months. But the whining sure makes it harder for everyone here to look foward to any shows.
Lawgator, the apology isn't about me, it's about Dandom. (Thanks tho!) And also it takes more than one to argue and really it's nothing personal and not just you. And besides, some of those who agrue, have said they wouldn't do that again for the umpteenth time. It's a compulsion for some, really. 'nuff said about extraneous politics and 'nuff apologies.
My point why would a Danfan want to come here to enjoy and appreciate SteelY dan when all one's going to read about is whining and excessive politics? My day job is like that already!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 15:54:20 ET
Posted by: duncan,
UK Dates now on SD.COM
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 15:48:16 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Who, me?
hoops, I hear ya' on the political stuff. I started it this time and apologize. I don't think it got too far out of control, though. And originally it was SD related. But won't happen again, promise.
So, who's everyone voting for? :)
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 15:44:18 ET
Posted by: Tim, UK
I just booked two tickets for the band at a UK venue on July 5th. The venue is the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham and I booked them through seetickets.com.
No sign of the gig on steelydan.com though ...
Tim
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 15:28:53 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
(ct: Give it a rest! Sheessh! They are playing the Southeast and then the Northeast this time around. That's all.)
I must disagree Jim. Every states-side Steely Dan, NYR&SR & Fagen Tour has been a "NORTHEAST TOUR" since 1993. The Northeast has ALWAYS gotten the majority of the dates. I just wish it was more equitable, that's all. Can't complain though, we got Soboba, San Diego & Shoreline last year.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:57:29 ET
Posted by: hoops,
ct: Give it a rest! Sheessh! They are playing the Southeast and then the Northeast this time around. That's all. Yeah Skyline's an OK venue although Charter One Pavillion is mucho better--I have even suggested it in thie forum (as a fantasy venue), although an old classic urban indoor theatre would be warmer for May. But also consider the last show in the Chicago area (35-40 SW of Chicago actually) sure didn't look like a sell out with those empty patches of grass--some of them big. I am not so sure it's worth their while to come back to Chicago just yet. Granted, the venue was, IMHO, part of the reason it probably didn't sell as well since Chicagoans loathe The World (or whatever they are calling it these days.) But Geezus, they aren't going to play there for the May/June round. Give it a rest so we can have a rest.
As far as the political postings and rantings, etc. A big reason I was requested to start this place--what? six years ago--was too much of that sort of thing at other forums. It's not like these issues are going to get resolved in a Steely Dan forum. Shit, I am very active in political causes and I could blog here for lines on end, but I know there are a helluva lot more effective places to do that then here--including in person, on the street or at least in a more appropriate place. True, both DF.com and WB.com have exhibited more overtly, politically charged content than SD used to and, especially in Donald's case, he's been more politically overt in his interviews (although I think SD is way so much more effective and timeless when they fly under the radar a bit more.). So in that sense, yeah, politics may come up more. But realize when you get to far into that, you start losing the fandom. I'm very political and politically active, but this forum is a sucky place for it. I could use this place as a soapbox for my causes but I don't and it has to do with what's good for all of us. Same for bootlegs--this place sucks for them. And please, I'm sick of hearing that we shouldn't discuss politikcs or how to get boots for "hoops' sake. " I say it's a good guideline-not a hardfast rule, mind you-- because it really benefits the larger perspective of the Steely Dan community in ways that are and aren't so apparent in the long run. I don't make the request out of vanity but because, in the long run, it's better for our community.
As for the Danny's, this is already happening in bites. First part is about "Swag"--surely you've read about it in the Dandom Digest. The Dannys, etc are about humor and writing. If we get together, that's great but we'll have to see how that all works.
Over and out for now...fly low and be cool.
jim
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:47:27 ET
Posted by: Lee,
Craig B. I think that was Martha Wainwright doing the intros.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:46:12 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Ann, here's a little something to keep in mind when the offspring accompanies you to some EuroDan this summer:
My mom took me to an SD concert back in 2000 when I barely knew their work. Now here I sit, nearly seven years later, still living in my parents basement because I can't afford to move because I love handing my paychecks over to Don and Walter.
Here's hoping for your's, too :)
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:27:02 ET
Posted by: ct, chicagoooooo
TOLEDO ZOOOOO YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. OVER SOME VENUE IN CHICAGO. HOW ABOUT SKYLINE STAGE RIGHT BY THE LAKE. THATS BULLSHIT.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:21:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Boston's lead singer and also in a Beatles Tribute band called Beatlejuice.
Rikki should be played.
When did we ever hear "Any World?"
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 14:14:02 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Yea well, if they never do “Rikki” again it’ll be too soon….
On second, third and so on thought if they never do
“Dirty”, “School”, “Chain”, “Any world”, “19”, “Beach” or any other second rate radio fluff it’ll be too soon.
So its official, the boys are taking the slow boat to Europe so that they can rest on their laurels across the pond.
Who is Brad Delp?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 13:40:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah, how did i know you couldn't resist
2007 minus 1996 equals 11 years. The math is easy enough even for you, pookie. Also take into consideration the 2000 and 2003 tours were their biggest, their best, popularity never greater and they chose not to include Rikki, arguably their biggest radio hit ever. Sinatra didn't want to sing New York, New York every night but he hitched up his tuxedo pants and did it. His piano player, the late Bill Miller told me Frank could not understand its popularity. Here's how he introed the song, "OK, here comes the National Anthem, but you don't hafta stand up."
Donald did the intros on Morph, no jokes, no ad-libs, no extras. With him as a raconteur, it reminds me of opening the box of Rice Krispies and seeing that it's only giving you 3/4 of what you were expecting. Then the disclaimer that the product may settle during shipping.
Riiight...
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 13:30:05 ET
Posted by: Intros,
Donald.... who else?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 13:27:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
When DF toured with Morph who did the intros of the Band? Anybody remember?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 13:11:45 ET
Posted by: Again?,
1996 they played Rikki. "Wrong again Raj"
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:53:52 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Birmingham, 5th july , block A, row A, seats 3 and 4
YES!!!!
Now I just have to figure out a way to be there!!!!!
London are supposed to be on sale as of today, but no action when I tried.
Good luck everyone!!! See you there!!
Ann
Clouded Leopardess of Borneo
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:37:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That was a looooong time ago. 14 years, sensibilities change. Specially Donald's. Betcha my busted Morph the Cat keychain we do not hear those two songs ever again. Here's hoping Wrong Again Rajah is wrong on that one.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:23:51 ET
Posted by: Hey Now, walks in the door
Raj - Rikki was played live a bunch of times on one or two of the tours since '93.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:18:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Channelling Ram Dass
I really don't see them coming back around here, they've played like a dozen dates in California between Donald and the Dan last year and this January. We've had our fun, now it's time for the rest of the world.
Just heard Nancy Wilson and George Shearing's version of On Green Dolphin Street and you can really hear the resonances with Green Flower Street. Especially reminicent of the bridge to Green Flower Street, probably one of Donald's most elegant efforts, it's so perfect in every way that bridge, great modulation and picking up selected complimentary chords from the main body of the song. Like the song is going along nice and jaunty then a strong and billowy wind lifts you up to another level entirely. Donald tosses the music up in the air on that bridge and it all comes cascading back down to him in a a perfectly rearranged configuration. Also the big be-bop out to GFS is heavily influenced by its counterpart on Dolphin Street. That kind of borrowing is such a salute to the original. But only if its done judiciously. On Gaucho, he probably went too far, on Rikki I guess as well even though Horace Silver, who has got to be the coolest septuagenarian on the planet, doesn't seem to mind. And I think Donald doesn't play Gaucho or Rikki out of a dual sense of respect and staying out of hot water, critically speakin'.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:08:45 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Sorry....
http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/artist/736195
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:07:54 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
QUICK!!!!!!
Ticket master are showing all 3 shows now!!!!!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 12:04:08 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
WOW!!!!!!!
Never trust what you read in the newspapers!!!
Donald produced China Crisis??? I don't THINK so!!! Try Walter!!
......and Donald is quoted as saying they're happy to be back in Liverpool......as my memory serves me correctly, they never made it there!!! I remember turning up at the doors of the theatre back in 1974 and there was a big notice saying "Steely Dan concert cancelled due to sickness"....it was Manchester that you played, Don! 30 miles up the East Lancs Road!! Remember....Palace theatre....your first UK gig....I was the blonde in the 3rd row from the front!!!! (one of the few females in the audience!!).....!!!!
Hey our Leopards are doing great Beer...shame it's not a tiger or I'd change my monica on this old Blue book here. I hope none dare to creep in to my back garden...the dogs would make mince meat of it...like they do with the monitor lizards and snakes that dare to come in!! However, our cheeky monkeys still visit daily for their "let's taunt the dogs" session....it's all great fun!!
2007 might just pass 2006 for being the year to remember!!!
Love you Dandom!
Ann
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 11:39:35 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, reelin'
I read with sadness the update on Brad Delp's death and have been perusing some of Boston's fan sites and guestbooks. You just have to wonder if he had any idea of the lives he touched with his musical talent. You just have to wonder...
Anyway, I just want to say thank you to anyone who is listening, (even the crazies). You make my day more than what it would have been and sometimes that is enough to keep you going when times get rough.
And, damn! I've even met someone through here who might actually see one of those new clouded leopards! Plus I have a Steely Dan show or three to look forward to! Does it get any better than that?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 11:25:12 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from th eTower
this article says tickets are on sale TOMORROW, so somebody is incorrect somewhere....
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/entertainment/previewsandreviews/tm_headline=steely-dan--8216-s-city-return&method=full&objectid=18754043&siteid=50061-name_page.html
Steely Dan‘s city return
Mar 15 2007
by Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo
SEVENTIES legends Steely Dan are set to rock the pops this July.
Tickets for the July 6 show will go on sale tomorrow.
The seminal American rockers, famous for hits including Reelin' in the Years and Rikki Don't Lose That Number, will join other confirmed names including Amy Winehouse and Deacon Blue.
And another big name act will be announced in the ECHO tomorrow.
This year the Pops, which were saved from the axe thanks to the ECHO, will take place at the Aintree Pavilion Arena at Aintree racecourse.
It will be the first visit to the city by Steely Dan since the 1970s.
Founder Donald Fagen said: “We can't wait to visit Liverpool again. With it's veryspecial place in pop and rock history, it's one of those cities that always mean that little bit extra to all musicians.”
The band features original founders Fagen and Walter Becker and remains one of the most revered and influential rock acts of all time.
Their spectacular ten-piece multi-Grammy Award winning band, who were inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame in 2001, will showcase material from a career spanning four decades.
The concert will see Steely Dan perform the night after one of their biggest admirers, Liverpool favourites Deacon Blue, who take their name from a classic Steely Dan song.
They also have a strong local connection through Donald Fagen's production work with Liverpool band, China Crisis.
China Crisis’ Eddie Lundon, now a teacher at Lipa, described working with him on the band’s 1985 Flaunt The Imperfection album, as "a dream come true - they were one of our biggest influences."
Promoter Chas Cole said: “The beauty of hosting the Pops in Liverpool is that we can attract legendary acts of the calibre of Steely Dan.
“The bill is now really starting to take shape, there's a real buzz starting to build about this year's event, and there's going to be a very exciting announcement still to come this week."
Tickets for Steely Dan cost £32.50 and £38.50 (a limited amount of Gold Circle tickets are available)
Headline acts signed up so far
July 4 - Amy Winehouse
July 5 - Deacon Blue
July 6 - Steely Dan
July 11 - James Morrison
July 20 - McFly
July 21 - OMD
For tickets and the VIP Pops experience call 0870 151 4000; Ticketmaster 0870 151 4000; Ticketline 0151 256 5555; Seetickets 0871 220 0260; Liverpool Direct 0151 233 3007
Or in person from the 08 Place and Picadilly Box Office
catherinejones@liverpoolecho.co.uk
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 11:22:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
just got this Google Alert:
http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/steely_dan/news/9562
US rock veterans Steely Dan have announced that they will headline a one-off UK show in Liverpool on July 6.
The show is part of the city's Summer Pops festival, taking place at Aintree Racecourse, and which already boasts Amy Winehouse, Deacon Blue, OMD and McFly as headliners.
Founding members Of Steely Dan, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen have not played in Liverpool since their 70s hey day and are looking forward to returning to revel in their four decade catalogue with a ten-piece band.
Donald Fagen said: "We can't wait to visit Liverpool again, with it’s very special place in pop and rock history, it’s one of those cities that always mean that little bit extra to all musicians.”
The concert will also ironically see Steely Dan perform the night after another of their biggest admirers, Liverpool favourites Deacon Blue, who take their name from a classic Steely Dan song.
Promoter for Summer Pops, Chas Cole said: “The beauty of hosting the Pops in Liverpool is that we can attract legendry acts of the calibre of Steely Dan. The bill is now really starting to take shape, there’s a real buzz starting to build about this year’s event, and there’s going to be a very exciting announcement still to come this week.”
Steely Dan are currently on an extensive tour of North America. No word , as yet, if further UK dates will be announced.
Tickets for Steely Dan at Summer Pops will go on sale next Friday (March 23) at 9am.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 11:18:44 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Tour Part 3? O Turbaned One what say you
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:57:34 ET
Posted by: Beers, UK Dandom
Ann
Ticketmaster.co.uk have been selling B'Ham for three hours now
How's the new Leopard Species ? On BBC news this am "Cloud Leopard"
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:53:01 ET
Posted by: Lee,
My friend called me today about this. He`said "I have tickets for both shows at the Beacon in May. I want to get tickets for the June 10th date but if they're going to play the same exact set list for all three shows I don't want to plop down another $150. What do you think"?
I responded "based on the other tours they will indeed play the same exact set list for all three shows".
Any thoughts about set list for these shows in NYC?
----------------------------------------------------------------
Just got this email from the BackStage Access website.
ON SALE:
By overwhelming demand, 3rd Steely Dan Show Added at The Beacon Theatre on June 10!
Steely Dan May 21 & May 22 shows at the Beacon Theatre are SOLD OUT. By overwhelming demand, a 3rd show has been added for Sunday, June 10! Don't miss this incredible evening as Steely Dan brings their 2007 Heavy Rollers tour to the Beacon Theatre!
As the vehicle for the songwriting of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, Steely Dan defied all rock & roll conventions. Becker and Fagen have used their ironic humor and cryptic lyrics to create an eclectic body of work that shows some debt to Bob Dylan, preferring jazz, traditional pop, blues and R&B to Rock. Steely Dan created a sophisticated, distinctive sound with accessible melodic hooks, complex harmonies and time signatures and a devotion to the recording studio. The group became Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees and multiple Grammy Award® winners as they developed a massive cult following, their albums became critical favorites and their singles became radio station staples.
Tickets go onsale TOMORROW, Friday, March 16 @ 9:00am.
Click here to purchase your tickets.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:50:10 ET
Posted by: California , fell of into the sea on this tour
At least we had 2 dates in january
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:47:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They can't stand LA. While the spotlight of criticism burns blistering hot out here, the fans are cooler than the other side of the pillow. Figure that one out.
Chy-town don't cater overmuch to altered blues. They likes it old school.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:37:59 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
WOW!!!!!!!!
Thanks Duncan!!!
Checked the ticket master site and there it was.....I'll be there by-hook-or-by-crook, even though I don't officially finish work here in Darkest Borneo until 6th July.
.....and wonders never cease......
!!!!!!!!THE OFF-SPRING HAS CONSENTED TO ACCOMPANY ME!!!!!!!!!!!
There is forever hope that she may yet become one of the converted!!!!
Beer.....where did you get the Birmingham info from??? No reference on Ticketmaster to it yet, nor London.....
Shame they're not playing Manchester....but I'll cope!!
Interesting it's showing Liverpool VIP tickets for GBP172....yikes...and no mention of meet-with-the-band!! Just lots of free booze....not worth it to me in my tee-total state.
.....but....
Tonight the clouded tigress of Borneo can sleep!!
:-)
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:32:18 ET
Posted by: Huh?,
>>Originally planned as a 21-city tour, promoters have been racing to add dates nationwide to meet ticket demand.<<???????
Huh? Meet demand? ALL of those dates except for the two added
June shows were ALL on Jeff Young's page two weeks ago!!!!
They are gonna play podunks like Clearwater & Toledo and skip just about everything west of the Mississippi?????? No Chicago? No Los Angeles? It just seems like this would piss-off a large section of Dandom. Very strange.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:31:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
H@WW and Viva were very nice, they were fluff, but they were nicely realized. But let's get real, brothas and sistras, until they present Dr. Wu, Gaucho, Your Gold Teeth, Rikki forgoodnessake, Fez, Almost Gothic and Green Book, they ain't delving deep into anything but the Rajah's retirement fund. You got ten of the very best session people up there, they are perfectly capable of rolling these ditties out, OK, some of the arrangements would have to be simplified, can't expect all the layers to be in Almost Gothic but I'm willing to wager my slightly tainted Mystical Sphere that you could roust these guys outta bed at three in the morning and they could ride through Dr. Wu with nary a miss. So until they throw down that PR that's being floated is just so much hot air up my bloomers.
Listening to KJAZ, they played Nora Jones and Ray Charles doing a duet from that last record of his with Billy Preston in support and it struck me how it seems everybody's dying these days. What is up with that?
Now Starbucks is in the record business. How bizzare is that? Yeah, gimme a cinnamon kruller, one a dem key lime coffee cakes, a half caff decaff wid da non-fat goat milk, sprinkle some M&Ms up top and...oh yeah...shoot me a copy of that Paul McCartney double retrospective, "When Im 64 I Got Hosed."
We must be nearing the end of days.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:22:42 ET
Posted by: JH,
Anyone think they might have part III of the 2007 tour in central and western US in the fall??
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:22:14 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London
Ticketmaster have posted London availability. I phoned up and was allocated seats right near the front. I was then told "oops! they're not on sale yet." So near, yet so far. Better keep checking the site.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:21:36 ET
Posted by: Surprise!,
My point is pretty obvious. This band has so many cool songs that they have NEVER played before. Why would I want to hear a Chuck Berry (or any other cover song) when they still haven't played most of there own gems we have yet to hear live?
"Here at The Western World" was one of the coolest SD songs ever! SURPRISE! Let's fuck with perfection!
Don't tell me. This years surprise will be Jeff Young singing lead on "Dr.Wu". And if we are really lucky, we can get surprised with Cindy Mizel singing "Razor Boy".
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 10:17:26 ET
Posted by: JH,
Well, that must be all of the US dates. Looks like all of the gaps have been filled and it no longer says "more dates to come" on the SD website.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 09:49:28 ET
Posted by: Were Western World and Viva Viva R&R, not surprises??
whats your point there?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 09:48:44 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
"Becker and Fagen will draw from their deep catalog and showcase Steely Dan's signature slinky grooves, sleek subversive lyrics, and infectious hits. Set lists may also sample from Fagen’s recently released “Morph The Cat” and Becker’s upcoming solo release, due later this year. A few surprises may be in store as well. "
I want to believe ... oh god I want to believe
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 09:44:20 ET
Posted by: Day O,
Concertgoers can expect a hefty draft of the incomparable Steely Dan experience this year. Supported by their renowned 10-piece band — including Keith Carlock on drums, Freddie Washington on bass, and Jon Herington on guitar — Becker and Fagen will draw from their deep catalog and showcase Steely Dan's signature slinky grooves, sleek subversive lyrics, and infectious hits. Set lists may also sample from Fagen’s recently released “Morph The Cat” and Becker’s upcoming solo release, due later this year. A few surprises may be in store as well.
The Dan's extraordinary, three-decade-plus catalog of smash songs is also captured on The Best of Steely Dan: The Millennium Collection, due October 2 on Universal Records, and The Donald Fagen Trilogy Collection coming out May 22 on Rhino Records.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 09:36:12 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Well to be honest, I listen to it all of it anyway so I really don't care what they play. Then again I haven't been to a gazzilion shows like some on this board so I haven't had the opporunity to be bored by the set list.
I really enjoy the covers and new arrangements. I really enjoyed "Here at the Western World" when Don did it in DC. Had me squirming happily in my seat!!!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 09:30:24 ET
Posted by: Surprise, Surprise
"A few surprises may be in store as well".
Fife - The last time we heard this, we got a Chuck Berry cover and 100 mph version of "Here At The Western World".
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 08:38:10 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Here's a comment from SD.com about set lists:
Becker and Fagen will draw from their deep catalog and showcase Steely Dan's signature slinky grooves, sleek subversive lyrics, and infectious hits. Set lists may also sample from Fagen’s recently released “Morph The Cat” and Becker’s upcoming solo release, due later this year. A few surprises may be in store as well.
Perhaps this will curb the moaning and groaning about the set list, eh.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 08:35:14 ET
Posted by: Beers, UK Dandom
Bham NIA ON Sale now !!!! July 5th
Regards
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 08:15:02 ET
Posted by: duncan,
There showing the hammersmith date as Sat 07-07 btw
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 07:07:28 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
Steely Dan Liverpool Pops 06-07-07 on sale 09:00 GMT 16-03
c/o ticketmiser
Hoo f***in Ray !!!!!
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 06:29:11 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
I'm reminded of Pete Hamm, Michael Henchence, Del Shannon, just tragic.
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 06:06:06 ET
Posted by: ct,
WHY NO CHICAGO.............
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:56:51 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
UK Fans: Just checked up on the Liverpool show.....just says that the final list of shows will be posted next week. I phoned them to see if they had any news, but it was one of those run-around recorded messages...you know the type..."press 1 if you had bacon for breakfast", "press 2 if your mother-in-law was born on the 10th day of the month", "press 3 if you have a third nipple"....and eventually you end up back at the original message....agh!!!!!!! and this is supposed to be improving customer service!! Ha!
http://www.visitliverpool.com/site/product-p16204
Come on Boys!! Put us out of our misery!! ....and for goodness sake, play Manchester, not Liverpool...too far out! There're some great venues in the city...remember '74??
...........rumor/rumour??? Check the Oxford English dictionary....surely the most definitive source, and of course it's "rumour". Hmmm, with all this deviation going on in here, it's a good thing some of you guys aren't in my class or you'd be bending over for a quick spanking!!!!.....mmm...now there's an interesting thought!!
Peace to all,
The Clouded Tigress of Borneo
:-)
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:55:15 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...there is also a "press and info" link on SD.com now...
http://www.steelydan.com/tour07pr.html
includes a May 22 release date for The Donald Fagen Trilogy Collection...
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:49:43 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
SEVEN MORE SHOWS ANNOUNCED AT SD.COM !!!!!!
May 26 - Borgata Casino Event Center - Atlantic City NJ | more info soon
May 29 - Bank of America Pavilion - Boston MA | more info soon
May 30 - Bank of America Pavilion - Boston MA | more info soon
Jun 04 - Freedom Hill - Detroit MI | more info soon
Jun 05 - Toledo Zoo - Toledo OH | more info soon
Jun 07 - Wolf Trap - Vienna VA | more info soon
Jun 08 - nTelos Wireless Amphitheatre - Portsmouth VA | more info soon
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:49:14 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Steely Dan in Europe!!!!
Arhg, it's driving me insane. Announce the dates! PLEEEASE.
Anyone heard any news from anyone?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:41:36 ET
Posted by: AH, Ham
What about Hamburg?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 05:41:00 ET
Posted by: AH, Ham
What about Hamburg?
Date: Thurs, March 15, 2007, 01:21:09 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, miles from nowhere
Steely Dan? They're still around? lol
SD attorneys should stop f**ing with the fans and file a heap big lawsuit on Wynton "horn up my @$$" Marsalis for stealing their minor 9ths and 6/4 funked-up samba from the TvN title track on "From Plantation to Penetentiary."
If you can get tix to the Beacon show, grab 'em.
Hope they'll be in Rome in June! We'll be there.
Politics. Two words: Recall Election.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 21:06:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, rip
I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away
It's more than a feeling...
When I hear that old song they used to play
I begin dreaming...
'till I see Marianne walk away
I see my Marianne walkin' away
So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
as clear as the sun in the summer sky
It's more than a feeling...
When I hear that old song they used to play.
I begin dreaming...
'till I see Marianne walk away
I see my Marianne walkin' away
When I'm tired and thinking cold
I hide in my music, forget the day
and dream of a girl I used to know
I closed my eyes and she slipped away
She slipped away
It's more than a feeling...
When I hear that old song they used to play
I begin dreaming...
'till I see Marianne walk away
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 19:37:16 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Out of respect to a tragic death, I'll not post the story. If anyone wants to read a local article about Brad Delps death and cause, go to wbztv.com. Its one of the local TV stations web site and the link to to the article is on the home page.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 17:46:17 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
DG -
How - Carbon monoxide but AP has 2 conflicting stories (car funes or charcoal)
So very sad.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 17:15:33 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Reports are that Brad Delp's death was a suicide. No details as to how or why, but I haven't looked all that hard.
Family: Delp's death was suicide
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-03-14-delp-suicide-confirmation_N.htm
______________________________________
Re spelling (in)corrections Language Log has a couple entries...
Spelling Rage
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/004262.html
Why are so many linguistic corrections incorrect?
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004264.html
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 16:03:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah, lines on the treble clef
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 15:32:25 ET
Posted by: Gaucho, amigo
And glamour/glamor. See lyrics on official SD page.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 14:11:04 ET
Posted by: Hey Rich,,
So is rumour. So is colour. So is gullable.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 14:07:46 ET
Posted by: Richard Petty spell check,
Rumor is the correct spelling
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:59:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I must admit, much of what you just said is true. Sure, I'd like to go to Lucerne and Lucca to see these guys, could be fun, could be an adventure. But I sure as heck am not making those serious plans when the smoke cloud of mystery is thicker than the ganja at a Dead concert.
This Tour has been a now-you-see-it-now-you-don't thing from the get-go. But its devolving into a chaotic situation. I'm annoyed already, bring on The Police, Dodger Stadium I can find.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:59:22 ET
Posted by: Wha?,
Grow some balls? Look who's talking! You don't even post your email address. What balls do you have? NONE.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:45:48 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan 2007, The Heavy Rumour Tour
This is just getting ridiculous. A couple weeks ago someone “with the band” was crying that any announcement of Steely Dan dates was “hurting the bands precious leverage”. This has just become
another Steely Dan turd. Such bullshit. Now almost a third of these rumoured Euro dates ARE ON SALE. What a boondoggle. The Heavy Rumour Tour. All of Europe knows that this tour is ON SALE and BUYING Tickets. Do educated people really think that we are supposed think that we are just getting “Gas Lighted”? These dates are just rumours. These Euro show tickets we HAVE PURCHASED are not really on sale? Oh, please don't use this chance to get great Euro seats and wait for these dates to “officially” appear on SD.com?! Is this the way you treat Steely Dan fans Don and Wally? Oh they have spent millions on our music and tours, but “Really they are just a bunch of gullible retards. I've seen Mom & Pop run gas stations that are run more efficiently! Paris just took the money from my VISA card. But I'm not going to deduct it from my balance. Because these tickets I just bought are not real. Stop bending over dandom! Grow some balls. Why are you people putting up with this? Would you let your own family treat you like this?
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:35:37 ET
Posted by: The Police, France
Those Paris tickets must be part of a scam. The date is not listed at SteelyDan.Com
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:34:12 ET
Posted by: lawgator, The crappy part of Winter Park
Josie,
I am literally in negoations with Margaritaville to secure a chunk of their bar area from 6-7:30. All I want it to put up a little sign so people know where to go and mingle for an hour, have drink, maybe an appetizer. We'll see -- it is a Saturday night for them and I can't guarantee much more than that we would number between 6 and 50. So they aren't real keen on it -- I shall have to offer them beads or trinkets of some sort.
LG
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:28:01 ET
Posted by: Your Pal Randall,
Sigmund
Contact LWO. She may be able to get you that Man Bag you've been looking for
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 13:21:03 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
BTW, happy first anniversary Morph The Cat!
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 12:39:30 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
lawgator - Where will the Danfest be taking place in Otown?
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 12:31:16 ET
Posted by: Sigmund , DSM-IV R
Playink "Hide the Bruanschweiger" mit derr tix, eh?
Yah, it's all too confusink...
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 12:29:38 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Very Near The Land that Who Forgot
Bobbo and HeyMike, would enjoy the drink. I'm theoretically throwing the Danfest Wing Ding here in Otown, if either of you is planning on visiting. Good opportunity for libations and sensations.
Now then, last year, I went to see the Dan at the Ford Amphitheatre in Tampa. This is a delightful little outdoor venue, right off of one of the busiest highways in Florida, I-4. It was the standard fare, which I don't mind, and for me a very pleasant show.
Last night, the Who played there.
Sort of.
Almost.
Apparently, during the first song, Roger Daltrey opened his mouth and nothign came out. He has bronchitis and could not sing. So after a few minutes Pete Townshend comes out and says Daltrey can't come back to the stage, too sick. So they are going to come back on March 25 for a make-up date.
Man, what a drag. I was thinking about going over for that show but its a hike on a weeknight and I'm glad I skipped it now! Maybe I'll go on the 25th, that being on the weekend.
LG
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 11:47:13 ET
Posted by: quince, London
Just to let folks know...tickets available at www.ticketnet.fr for Dan date at the Rex in Paris...on the 10 July....be quick before everyone knows bout it.....Best Quince
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 11:09:18 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Seeing some Light
HeyMike,
Okay, man. And, y'know, thanks for bein' cool to me after that little rant, there. Glad to have that "done-and-gone," as we say here in Texas.
You're okay, and I'll vouch for you in places where they don't think they'll like you, okay? Sorry again for the weird spell, there...fuck, man, I'm just tryin' to WRITE, here. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 11:05:28 ET
Posted by: cj, chicago
Still hoping Sd comes to chicago. I dont understand why there playing in some of these hillbilly States like Florida, Atlanta, Memphis. Chicago is the capital of the Blues and Jazz. Maybe its still early will see.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 10:43:32 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Sorry, OB im not taking the bait for anymore pissing contests. Thanks Bobbo. Yeah the Henley Reference had an SD dotted line. I was just trying to stay true to my old pal Hoopsters ground rules on here.
I'd like nothing better then to throw back a few cold ones with you and lawgater at the next doable Danfest.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 09:49:23 ET
Posted by: Lee, Manhattan
Craig - For a Steely Dan show in NYC Roseland is a much better venue. The Beacon is nice, but a bit over rated in my opinion.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 09:40:22 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Uh-oh, found another interesting link: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 09:38:04 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, "with" the party in power these days (sorry)
HeyMike,
Some fair points, bro; and I'm sorry I missed the Dan connection in that earlier post...it WAS a pretty good Henley reference! You're probably aware of his stance in the political scheme of things. Now, a Henley reference (or, as it were, three) does not a Dan reference make, but that's all semantics, am I right?
Honestly, please do accept my apology for the whole "failed enterprise/cocaine & Jack Daniels/Lewinsky" screed...I'm a devoted follower of the good Doctor Thompson, and my silly, drunken mind found the whole thing funny, y'know, at the time.
But I dig you man; and I'm enriched by your input. There's room for all of us here in the Land of the Free. Last word from me on the whole damned administration: sorry 'bout the cheap shots...there was a three-to-six-year period there where I could've been ridiculed (and still may!) for writing such random, chaotic "truthiness," and I tend to overdo the meaner aspects of my inner muse (she's pissed at me too, by-the-bye).
Friends? Let me know; I'll be lookin' for ya.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 09:16:21 ET
Posted by: Jake Leg, google rep
At the Beacon
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker return for their High Rollers tour with all the classic hits that have made Steely Dan a legendary sound. Book your seats online now.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 08:53:37 ET
Posted by: T.O. Danfan, CanaDan
Hi all. I'm one of those frequent readers / infrequent contributors to this site. Definitely the best for Dan related stuff. As a Toronto fan I'm pretty disappointed that the boys seem to be once again by-passing Canada on this tour. I saw them here in '03 at the infamous big blackout re-scheduled show with women baring breasts etc, and saw DF in a great show at Massey Hall in Mar '06. C'mon SD...we have lots of native casinos up here if that's where you want to play. The nearest tour venue to me this time around is Niagara Seneca Casino. Does anyone know how to get tickets for this show? They allegedly went on sale Mar 2 at 5pm. There never were any available at tmaster and there are no tickets on ebay or broker sites. HELP!!
Cheers
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 08:43:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
The Dan loves their NY fans and staying close to home.
So what's up with the Beacon?..is it a neat venue?
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 07:36:35 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, head up ass, etc.
AG, Denise, et al.,
It appears my hand bag source is amenable to just about any cover. He sent me this message:
"I have in stock several Aja covers, several Gaucho, 2 more CBAT, 2 Katy Lied, a Royal Scam (that one is hard to do though as the entire cover has something going on top to bottom), but I am always looking and I also have many people who send me covers and I reduce the price some. Thank you again !!!!"
His e-mail address is Johnrh@suddenlink.net for those interested. The price is around $20 + shipping and he lives in Beckley, WV, my old home state and home to prez logic!
Thinking of ordering the Royal Scam one for a certain right wing fan, whom I otherwise adore.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 07:03:32 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Hey thanks, but anyone that reads Hufpo has their head so far up their ass anyway, its not worth addressing. But thanks for reminding us of your vile sophomoric humor. Shows where you're coming from.
Date: Wed, March 14, 2007, 06:44:05 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
HeyMike:
I posted that link re: Reagan way back in January. Anybody who didn't get a chance to check it out then might want to look at it now:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/remembering-reagan-nosta_b_36050.html
The Chicago Tribune sent a reporter to the National Archives a couple years ago to listen to the Nixon tapes. It's instructive to read the transcripts of Dick chatting with his pals Bob Dole and Bush 1. Kind of reminds us where all this really comes from.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 21:30:22 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Cam, it's 3/16
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 21:27:46 ET
Posted by: Cam, Vancouver
Does anyone know what time tickets will go on sale for the new date at Beacon on June 10? I couldn't find the information on the venue site.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 19:58:00 ET
Posted by: Brunhilda, hiding in the pantry
Much appreziate derr advize, girlfriendt, Dokktor Freud unt Freud fils kan really taken it outovan innozent Fraulein. A girl kannt be too kareful round here.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 19:45:21 ET
Posted by: Fashion, consultant
Brunhilda, honey, ditch the pumps for stilletos; you won't need the bat.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 19:17:57 ET
Posted by: a fan, .
Interesting mention of Fagen on this page
http://heidelbergalumni.homestead.com/memorial.html
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 19:03:14 ET
Posted by: Brunhilda, the scullery
I have von blak dress my Mama made me before I left Innsbruuck, oddervise I vear vhat Dokktor tells me to. He likes derr rubber and makes me dance to Derr Fez. Kinky olt koot. I vould vear derr Schteely Dan CBAT bag mitt black dress, black pumps unt a schmall bazeball bat on a chain arount mein wrist to keep datt kreepy Horst avay. Diss family isht verrry fukkkked up, I feel like goink back to mein old boyfriendt, Johnny Chainsaw, derr guitar playa.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 17:51:08 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown closet
AG, the long black gloves would make the outfit I think
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 17:48:03 ET
Posted by: adorableghost, CA
Denise-
I was thinkin more pumps and pearls
or
heels and long black gloves...
any other combos girls?
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 17:42:06 ET
Posted by: Horst Freud,
Yah, mein Fadder schtill makes me wear der lederhosen. Kan this guy krank out a pair of 44 in Portly mitt derr Katy Lied bug?
I'll get Brunhilda to make zertain alterations unt adjustments..."BRUNHILDA! GET DOWN HERE UNT BRING YOUR KIT!"
She's a little dense but I really like der way she shimmies all arountt vhen ve play, "Hide the Bratwurst."
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 17:34:52 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
a JUNE 10 date has been added at the Beacon Theater in NYC !!!!! Tix on sale Friday
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 17:34:34 ET
Posted by: Denise, shoes to match the bag?
LWO & AG,
You will need high-heeled sneakers to go with that...
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 16:46:48 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
Hi AG! You know, he e-mailed me about this one, so I bet if you asked him through his ebay site that he would respond.
The colors on mine are just amazing, so if I were picking, I would take a colored cover over a sepia or b/w one....'course, I don't have much to match a katy did and I'm now carrying hookers around, but hey...a conversation starter it is!
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 16:33:35 ET
Posted by: adorableghost, shopping for accessories
Thanks LWO! Super cool bag- I just hope a bidding war doesn't happen between us fine Steely Mamas here...I wonder if he'll make an Aja one? Ooooh, or a Gaucho one with some western details on it like some tooled leather....
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 16:04:12 ET
Posted by: NeoCon, @ BombIran.com
I'm a GOP loyalist, but this one is a little strange. Pres Bush fired all the Clinton lackey attorneys at the start of his first term. That's tradition. And Clinton's people were a bunch of liberal flunkees.
But it looks like this time he was trying to fire his own appointees in his second term. I'm all for firing DemonCrats and their liberal slug monkeys, but this is a little strange, I have to admit.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 15:54:32 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, cbat? uh hunh
Now, then, how about some retail therapy?
I recently obtained a purse from this guy on ebay which was made out of the CBAT cover. It is made really well from the actual cover, front and back and is totally fabulous! He is now offering the PL version to spice up your summer tour wardrobe.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Steely-Dan-Pretzel-Logic-Purse-Handbag_W0QQitemZ220092001848QQcategoryZ105033QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 14:46:58 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Don't waste your breath
On the US atty issue, from the snippet I've seen about Clinton cleaning house, he did it at the beginning of his first term, not his second. Is that not correct?
Anyways, here's the thing: At this point in the Bush administration, there are three groups of people out here in J.Q. Public land.
Group I, about 30 percent, distrust everything the WH does at this point in time and no matter what is said or done in their favor, this
group will blast everything the WH does.
Group II, about 50 percent, were willing to give Bush and Cheney the benefit of the doubt on everything, from Iraq to ties to Big Oil and corporate greed on their watch. But, the momentum for that group has shifted and they are now largely skeptical of the current regime. Not that they won't give thenm a chance to explain, but by and large this group would be pleased to see a change in direction sooner than later.
Group III, 20 percent, these folks are hard core neocons who will support the current administration no matter what. Some do it out of loyalty. Some just don't want to amdit that they were wrong to have supported the Bush team from the gitgo. Some actually believe that they are in the right. Regardless of their motivation, no matter what happens, they will stand by Bush and Cheney.
With something as complex as this, the middle group just aren't going to get it. Its another reason to doubt the WH, but it isn't cause for concern. After all, how many peoiple in their lives ever actually deal with a federal prosecutor? Not many.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 14:07:50 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Bummer. You were my only hope for the Heavy Rumor Tour in Euro
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 14:06:54 ET
Posted by: joeNC, US attys and clinton
there's some dispute over whether clinton showed all of them the door in 93: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/sampson-rove-attorney/
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 13:53:51 ET
Posted by: How????????????,
(Just got tickets for the Berlin concert on July 15 at www.eventim.de
Why doesn't Steely Dan's web site tell us about this stuff? Is there a strike there or something?)
How can this be? This date is not listed a SD.com? Wait, Steely Dan is playing in Europe?!!!! One would think that this is just a rumour. Wait, but how can you buy tickets to a 'rumour'?
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 13:47:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ball of confusion
Naw, I had to eject over the Mohave.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 13:42:01 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
I wonder if Rajah still has the keys to the corporate jet
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 13:07:39 ET
Posted by: Bob, pricing
Prices at the Tower range from $125 to $45.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:59:16 ET
Posted by: the marquis, mt belzoni
tower theater---- does anyone know the ticket prices?,, I can't find it anywhere on the net.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:58:17 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, aye anarchy
Walter, please give us some news before we implode like Stardust!
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:46:43 ET
Posted by: Rolfe S.,
Just got tickets for the Berlin concert on July 15 at www.eventim.de
Why doesn't Steely Dan's web site tell us about this stuff? Is there a strike there or something?
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:18:05 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Wow I must be going coloured blind I thought this was the blue, not yellow! So who's up for Philly? Which show? I can't wait for May.
Fife
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:13:58 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
See a few posts back--Clinton whacked them all in '93!
These guys are appointed. We're just talking about 8. Heres the case in Milwaukee which, had the tables been turned the nut jobs on the left would still be squawking about. No way would these get off if they were skin heads damaging Kerry's vehicles.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=418855
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:02:39 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Question : On Brite Nitegown what did DF do to his voice …? Sounds like his voice is??doubled or something
Thanks
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 12:01:20 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Like it matters
Hey HeyMike, are you talking about the federal prosecutor firings? See, this is one point on which I disagree with both the right and the left. I disagree with the right that it is completely okay to fire them for not being partisan enough. That is a post that should really not be a political football, for all of our sakes! 'Cause remember, next time around it will be a Dem in power and you don't want them firing prosecutors for not going after Repubs hard enough.
But, I disagree with the left that what happened here requires resignation of the AG. By definition, the job of a U.S. atty is subject to being taken away for whatever reason by the president. Its his prerogative to hire and fire as he pleases.
I'd prefer to see no administration fire a bunch of them for political reasons, but I know better. The Bush administration got caught doing it, is all. Personally, I think this adminstration is extremely vindictive and that they don't hesitate to play hardball when it comes to retaliating against those who they believe have slighted them politically. We've seen a lot of evidence of that over the years.
But, to me the current nastiness is a fairly minor sampling of that. And so it does not surprise me. At the same time, I can't join the call for Gonzalez' head under the circumstances. Its being made worse by calls for him to quit.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:56:37 ET
Posted by: Fred Thompson,
HeyMike proved his point...the left is full of anger & hate.esp.Bobo posts.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:46:33 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
sure
and who says they were doing their job?? The Washington compost?? The case in Milwaukee I happen to be very familiar with and believe me-they weren't doing their job.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00612F73C540C778EDDAA0894DB494D81&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fC%2fClinton%2c%20Bill
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:38:10 ET
Posted by: Oh Lord, won't ya buy me a mercedes benz
You gotta be on the RIGHT side of the fence. Its not enough to just do your job these days.....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17571977/
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:28:49 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
and bobbo..that post is just hatred sprinkled with a lot of crap.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:13:17 ET
Posted by: heymike,
LOL
The Don Henley reference/turn up the eagles/stab them with our steely knives...
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:05:37 ET
Posted by: lawgator, What he said
Yeah, I didn't see the Dan connection on your last, HeyMike. What Bobbo said.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:01:31 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, not trying to be nasty, but:
HeyMike,
You said, "and it DOES have a Dan connection," and then--snap. NO DAN CONNECTION, BRO. C'mon...that's incorrect AND cruel! Postin' with love, partner...now, DIG A LITTLE.
Where's the Dan connection in that deal, there?
Waitin',
Bobbo
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 10:00:11 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Yea well, the politricks around here are what happens when the Dan tour train gears up before its appointed station stops.
That ain’t gonna happen till May, kids so hold tight for a long strange bumpy ride.
Then again, unless the conductors change their ways we’ll have to reluctantly enjoy the same ol’ lame set lists.
So really, the only thing I’m anxiously anticipating is Becker’s disc.
But anyway, going back to politricks…
Anyone who drives the same model car as my wife (Limbaugh)or is a Reagan conservative (Hannity) or is a Dan fan (O’Rielly) or is half Jewish like me (Maher)
can’t be all bad.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 09:58:18 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Defending political talk
I also have to disagree with the gentleman who posted that there is no room for a little political discourse on the Blue. I was the one who started it (this time), but I had a good reason, which was surprise at hearing an SD cut on Bill O'Reilly show. My question -- how can this happen with two guy I suspect are quite liberal and who would not like O'Reilly -- has been answered.
And from there we are just having a little fun and getting people's perspectives on some of the hot commodities out there. No one, it seems to me, has gotten carried away. And I wouldn't expect anyone to do so after the first salvo or two, and that's pretty much what happened here, once we figured out that none of us is ideologically 100 percent L or R.
I don't take anything I read on here too seriously. No one does.
LG
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 09:52:43 ET
Posted by: bobbo, down at the bottom
Okay,
That's all fine and good. I just want to apologize to George! It was HeyMike that didn't like this particular conversation, a while ago.
And I'll admit, right here and now, that the Cons I've been around have a pretty good time, and love liberty as much as we Libs do. But when MY party was in power, I didn't snuff 'em, and stomp 'em, and make points in conversation from being "in power." I didn't vote for individuals who would direct the nation's energy policy with 30 million Halliburton dollars in their pockets, and I've never met ONE person who shot his friend in the face and got mad at the inevitable scrutiny of "just what happened." My father was never President.
Though I heartily admire, and you must believe me, a man who can become lost along the way, failing in private enterprise-after-enterprise, sniffing cocaine, tipping the Jack on a daily basis, staying gone for days at a time, and picking up a Texas DWI or three, and still finding enough voters to become President (just like Daddy)...I really do. Hell, I could be the Most Powerful Man in the Free World MYSELF, one day, on that basis...but I think I'd rather be blown by Monica Lewinsky, and THAT is true, too.
NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED. Please think about that tired old "Leftish Creedo."
It's all fair game here on the Blue, and hasn't much place, I guess. But still a fun topic, in my opinion. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 08:41:19 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
"But Hannity is a Bush/Cheny stooge. If they told him that the sky was made of tin, he would do a whole show on how, if you don't think the sky is tin, then that means you are personally against the troops in Iraq and that you want them all to be captured, tortured, and killed. He is just such an apologist. "
Here's another quick observation and it has a Dan connection. You guys are always shouting the King George stuff and we're step marching and brain washed by Rush etc etc. The truth is that the media, until 1988 when Rush started was dominated by the moron Rather, that smarmy Jennings and Brokaw and Cronkite who were closet libs. We're just happy to hear somebody gets it!! You guys said the same thing about Reagan (This tired old man that we elected king...Don Henley)..face it, you just don't agree with their policies (I don't agree with all either) and can't understand how anyone could. But, it gets said among yourselves so much, that you forget how offensive it is to others that don't agree. As an example someone put a link on here a while back that was just vile stuff about Reagan and they thought it was funny and Donald would've enjoyed it.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 08:31:22 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Respectfully disagree on Howard Stern. He WAS the king of whatever. He is a hypocrite,"I'll never get engaged, get married, etc." He now has no boundaries which turns his creativity into fuck, shit, etc. He does like horses, judging by his recent engagement. He is a very hard to look at, big bird version of Madonna. He really thiks he is something to look at. There with you for your money, not your beauty. Howard has flatlined.........................................Pull the plug.
Date: Tues, March 13, 2007, 08:16:03 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, listening to my favorite XM channel...
Fellas,
You'll hear some Dan tunes (almost always an obscure one) on Deep Tracks (XM 40) and "The Loft", one of my faves (XM50)...I'm sure they're also on Top Tracks (XM46), as well...
Funny deal (and still true; I caught it just the other day!): the "John Boy and Billy Show" is a kind-of Classic Rock morning show that's syndicated to our local C/R outlet, The Bear 104.7 (the station really SUCKS now--I'm not on it anymore!). They must have a large pool of bumper music, played in line, track-to-track...in two weeks, coming back from the commercial breaks, you'll hear all thirty some-odd samples that they have, and I don't believe they've changed in a while. And somewhere, right there in a row, you can hear instrumental cuts from "Two Against Nature," "Janie Runaway," and "Jack of Speed." Never the vocals, but, y'know, a nice 30-to-45-second sampling, as the boys "return" from commercial. And it'll be precisely three weeks before you hear 'em again...somebody on the show must be a fan...
As for the political conversation, I think it began on a decidedly innocent Danner tangent, and--who was it, "George", or somebody-- I'm sorry, but I think it's a fun topic, and I don't foresee any slinging of ideological, L-or-R craziness here on the Blue. Cazart!!
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 22:57:00 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris
Whackpacker - I listen to XM, mostly Channel 76 Fine Tuning, and hear too little SD there. What XM stations seem to play our heroes regularly?
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 22:07:59 ET
Posted by: Well, Craig B, who is your boy since you are , soooo "evolved"?
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 21:41:14 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Why bring your political(L or R) crap to the Blue? Look what it evolved to.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 21:38:19 ET
Posted by: Whackpacker, H100
You are leaving out the KING of All Media from this discussion. When you are looking for straight talk, and not far from the mark Howard Stern is fearless and peerless.
Incidently, not to be hawking Satellite radio, but on each of the networks there are about three or four stations that have Steely Dan in regular airplay and not just the hits.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 20:15:08 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Orlando, scene of many a dull moment
Bobbo, thanks for the info. I gather that it is entirely possible that neither Fagen nor Becker is aware that the song is being played as "bumper" on O'Reilly's show. On the flip side, given the size of his audience, they may each be getting a Maserati out of it. So that's good.
As to Limbaugh, I respect that you respect him for his craft and his intelligence for making what he does sell, but the guy is so bombastic and so irrational at times (as in all the time), he just has no credibility with anyone other than those predisposed to believe him. And that is a lot of people.
Politically I will give credit to Limbaugh for one thing, which is that he is occassionally willing to take the administration to task. Now, he only does this when they do something not conservative enough for his tastes. But that's okay. As HeyMike said, he is not compromising his principles.
But Hannity is a Bush/Cheny stooge. If they told him that the sky was made of tin, he would do a whole show on how, if you don't think the sky is tin, then that means you are personally against the troops in Iraq and that you want them all to be captured, tortured, and killed. He is just such an apologist.
Maher is good, but he might be too honest for mainstream. I don't mean too honest in that he's right. I mean too honest in that he would not ever bite his tongue to let someone make a fool of themselves on their own. Which, by the way, is to me the only charm in watching Fox news at all.
If fagen, et al are struggling for material, I encourage to watch that insipid trio on Fox in the mornings. Sometimes I can't take any more Imus nonsense and turn over to Fox for a good laugh before I go to work. Collectively, those three morning show folks have the intelligence of a mule.
A dead one.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 19:36:26 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
I like Mahler. He told like it was - especially in his 4th Symphony.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 18:29:23 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
I like Maher, he's witty as hell and often have to give him his liberation views. His problem right now is his utter hatred for George Bush. It just clouds his thinking so, for me anyway-he's impossible to watch. He just sees red and can't approach anything objectively.
I'm sure given a check list of shows that will be playing Do It Again, MOS or whateveh-the boys would scratch off Bills show. Just a guess.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 17:46:54 ET
Posted by: Willkommen!, German dates listed & tickets on sale for one
Kalvin (and other interested):
A quick look at Germany's Ticketmaster; Kartenhaus, shows that they have all three rumoured German dates listed, but so far no tickets for sale.
15.07.07 BERLIN - Zitadelle Spandau
24.07.07 HAMBURG - Stadtpark Freilichtbühne
25.07.07 BONN - Kunst+ Ausstellungshalle (Museumsplatz)
http://www.kartenhaus.de
Meanwhile http://www.getgo.de are selling tickets for the Berlins show at 53 to 70 Euros a pop.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 17:44:16 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, live from Studio C
Fellas,
Back in the old radio days, it was done this way: each station that can afford it (and they all can, from NYC all the way down to KRJT-FM in Bowie, my first job in the biz) pays a licensing fee to the three known artist/songwriter licensing organizations: ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC.
After that, a station can play any damned licensed song they want, whether in its entirety, or as "bumper" music (going into or out of the break)...royalties are paid to the songwriters on a basis of what's played and the size of the audience. Occasionally, they'll send out a survey (or they did as late as 1997), where you tell them EVERY SONG YOU PLAY DURING YOUR FOUR- OR SIX-HOUR SHOW, PLUS SONGWRITERS' NAMES...that was a real drag, friends, and I don't miss it a tad.
For the record, I lean far, far to the Left, and I listen to parts of Hannity and Rush during almost every day (I sleep with a little AM talk/news station going on the nightstand--helps me sleep). I don't agree with 'em, in the least. Rush, I think, is a very intelligent man, and has honed this little wink-and-nod where he basically lets his "in" crowd know he's getting ready to "spin" something for the Right...Hannity's just, y'know, kind of a dickwad, but kind of austere in his delivery...he could do a lot of good for a lot of people, if he wasn't so hung up on Partisan issues, I think. Don't get me wrong, I don't really agree with either of them; but I understand what it is they're doing...O'Reilly's the worst. We catch him on a news loop every night at the plant (every other week they graciously switch us back to CNN, God love 'em), and he's not very well-prepared OR -spoken, in my opinion.
I wish to Hell ol' Bill Maher would get a daily talk-show deal, now THAT would be cool to listen to. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 16:41:05 ET
Posted by: lawgator, You know
Don't be fooled. Its humor to make a point.
Which is all off the subject to begin with, which is to ask first whether Steely Dan would ever allow one of their songs to be used by Bill O'Reilly for any purpose and, if so, second, why?
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 16:33:33 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Alright there you go. Humor. Now that's better!
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 16:27:03 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Orlando, where everything tastes like chicken
Hey HeyMike:
No worries. Just like Outback.
But the fact that they are heavily watched or listened to is not a testament to their logic, intellect, or the accuracy of their views. It is evidence of their entertainment value.
For example, I sometimes entertain myself by smacking ant hills and spraying the ones that come out with Raid.
To me, the value to society of each of the above-described activites is about equal.
LG
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 16:13:06 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
"P.S. Applaud your willingness to come on a site that I suspect is dominated by liberal-thinking folks to defend O'Reilly. You have guts, my friend."
You never know about our boys, they might've gone all Dennis Hopper on us in their later years. :-) (or not)
Sorry, I'm a fan of Hannity, OReilly and Limbaugh. (the later 2 the most watched man on cable and the most listened to on radio)
With regard to my courage--Never, ever compromise your beliefs.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 16:02:04 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Orlando, smack dab in the middle of nowhere
Hey HeyMike,
I don't know that I called him six names. Maybe five.
In actuality, while my politics are left of center, I try hard not to let that influence my more neutral disdain for all things illogic. And in that particular arena Mr. O'Reilly excels.
For example, I cannot stand Al Sharpton. His reasoning is awful. I dislike Pelosi -- same theory. I'd never vote for John Edwards, because there's nothing there but raw ambition.
Now, it is true that I don't care for O'Reilly, in part because of his politics. And as I say I am surprised that the Dan would knowingly let him use their song for his show (and I've been disabused of that notion by others on here on grounds that they aren't "knowingly" allowing it).
But, if you want to find illogic on the right, you don't have to go very far. Sean Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh. All men whose train of thought left the tracks decades ago and who would make Aristotle not just turn in his grave but, if he could, fly out of it and bop those guys on the noggin.
LG
P.S. Applaud your willingness to come on a site that I suspect is dominated by liberal-thinking folks to defend O'Reilly. You have guts, my friend.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:49:15 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
In addition to saying you were going to vomit, you called him 6 offensive names in two posts. (poor spelling aside)
No anger there huh? No arrogance? That's all we seem to hear from the left these days.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:44:10 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Voting for Anybody except another Bush/Cheney debacle
Hey HeyMike:
Nope.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:41:49 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Deafening silence regarding the proposed Dan landings in Beantown on 29/30 May. Just looking for any lead as to whether to continue with my latest already well advanced bank heist plans or just sit tight and wait for the rumoured Euro landings later this summer.
All speculation/whispers/gossip/and who knows, maybe even the odd truth (delete as appropriate) welcomed.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:41:18 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Liking Chris a lot
Chris, thanks for the heads up. Patton Oswald is a truly, truly clever guy. I remember him on Lewis Black's recent charity gig on Comedy Central. He was the star of the show, IMO.
As to the song, yeah, I figured it was legal. I cannot imagine that the people at Fox just up and hijacked the song. They must have gotten the okay from someone in authority.
I'm just surprised by it, is all. And again, my surprise grows out of my perception that Fagen and Becker cannot be huge O'Reilly or Fox fans, as opposed to my own feelings about it.
LG
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:39:42 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Here's a Brad Delp chat from 1997 I found:
http://www.gonnahitcharide.com/walkon/content/view/99/59/
About a quarter of the way down:
From Jenny: What musicians have been a great influence on you?
Brad Delp Says: Aside from the Beatles, Stevie Wonder, from a vocalist's standpoint, and Steely Dan is one of my favorite groups.
RIP Brad!
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:35:54 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
You just cant help yourself can you?
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:33:44 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Also, MCA or whoever owns the rights to those recordings does not call up Donald and Walter every time a song is played anywhere. Somewhere along the lines, rights were granted to certain corporate conglomerates to use Steely Dan songs in those circumstances. On Bill's end, he has a list of songs he can use legally, and picked Steely Dan. They probably don't even know about it; it's just another royalty check for them.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:30:16 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Lawgator, Patton Oswald has a great routine about how conservative talk show hosts always play great rock and roll during station breaks, and NPR plays incredibly strange atonal stuff during theirs. It's on his Comedy Central special DVD. it's very funny, you can probably find it at your local Blockbuster.
As far as the legality, I'm 100% sure it's legal, although I don't know why. I'm sure a name as big as Bill O Riley wouldn't be illegally playing music on his talk show. And it's also well known that Anne "John Edwards Is A Faggot" Coulter is a huge Deadhead. For me, that's just another reason not to like her.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:29:33 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Left of Dixie Chicks
Hey HeyMike:
Perhaps you are right in that I should have left my own politics out of it. And while I would concede that it personally bothers me greatly that it is even conceivable that O'Reilly and I have similar tastes in music, and that I want to vomit at the notion that the Dan would ever authorize use of their song in association with that blow-hard's daily self-righteous and hipocritical garbage ... alas, it is not really relevant.
My original question -- admittedly obscured by personal dislike for O'Reilly's intellectually bankrupt musings -- is that given what I perceived to be an even leftier point of view for Fagen and Becker, why would they have said "Sure, let the Nazi play our song?"
LG
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:20:04 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Hey lawgator thanks for suppressing your anger and your arrogance.
It's so becoming and typical.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:04:24 ET
Posted by: Pats, cheese
Doc- Jeff Young had that second date in Philly listed on his site two weeks ago.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 15:01:44 ET
Posted by: Steve,
Craig - Probably home sleeping.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 14:42:22 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Summer dreaming
Passed!!
Where will they (SD)be in August
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 14:34:31 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Florida
So I'm driving out to get some lunch today and scanning AM radio, when up pops the last 10 seconds of Bill O'Reilly's show as he hits a break. They start playing "My Old School" as his voice fades to commercial.
Convinced that I either misheard his voice or the song, I left it on. After a few minutes of commercials, they come back. And it is him. And it was a Steely Dan song.
I am very surprised by this. Wouldn't the band have had to okay use of the song this way? I mean, sure, if its some kid at Podunk Community College radio station at 3 a.m., who cares? But if its this idiot, at noon, all across the country ... I mean that the hell?
LG
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 14:22:39 ET
Posted by: Eugenie,
Doc
No mom did!
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 14:10:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Let it pass, CB, just words on a field of Blue...
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 13:50:10 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from the Tower Theater
...holy mackerel! SECOND TOWER DATE ADDED! TIX ON SALE 3/17
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 13:49:19 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, is that my father...blowin' the dog?!?!
Eugenie:
sounds like your dad should have gone to rehab, or was the dog the instigator?
When I first heard "Trans-Island Skyway" that's what I thought DF was singing...
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 11:24:21 ET
Posted by: Eugenie,
Hey thanks for the info Doc. Does your dad have that problem too? We sent our dog to rehab
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 10:48:51 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, is that my father...blowin' the dog?!?!
...for those of you who have been too busy bitching about nonsense to notice, a second date was added at Ruth Eckerd Hall...
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 09:42:25 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
The debut Boston album is the biggest reason I quit listening to classic rock. Through no fault of the band, every track on that CD gets played and played regularly on AOR stations. It got to the point that there was nothing I needed to hear anymore from Floyd, Bowie, Boston, Zep and countless other bands that was likely to be played on a classic rock station. It's also why I can no longer listen to SD staples like Reelin' and My Old School. The latter I really wish they would lose from the set list. I hate it.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 08:25:48 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
American Idol? Steely Dan? In the same sentence? Excuse me I need to hurl my Wheaties.
(for all of us that have never watched a minute of that show)
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 08:03:01 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
These personal attacks on posters are getting out of hand.It's hard to figure out the motivation of that person. I mean how can a sick fuck like that feel good about himself at the end of the day
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 03:17:15 ET
Posted by: Ariana Huffington,
She's an unhinged bitch and an embarassment to all.
Date: Mon, March 12, 2007, 03:11:23 ET
Posted by: William Clinton,
Wow, what a horrible herridan that Gretchen is...he should dump her ass ASAP.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 23:31:00 ET
Posted by: Pam, I Am, getting addicted to MySpace
Oi, I haven't been here in a while. Don't think I've missed too much :) Still wish an American Idol contestant would bring out some Dan or the boys. What would be a good tune to dazzle the triumvirate with, hmmmmmm??? Any Major Dude?
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 22:56:43 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, day is night in NYC
Boston was the other group that marked my coming of age. I wore the debut album out in college and thought that Brad Delp had the coolest set of pipes around.
I remember BR talking about seeing his cover band in the Boston area and how great Delp was. Obviously, it was a love affair for him to continue to perform and I am less today for never having made it to see him one last time!
My daughter is named Amanda...for several reasons, one being the single off of "Third Stage." Such a loss!
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 20:32:23 ET
Posted by: prez logic, struggling to "Spring" forward
fezo,
Now that you mention it Boston played "Televison Politician" for the encore of the show I mentioned in my earlier post. Thanks for jarring my increasingly bad memory. I remember basically saying to my friends, WTF when it played? Also, I remember looking for it on "Don't Look Back" and being greatful that it was not there.
RIP Mr. Delp and also my old friend who was the biggest Boston fan I ever knew, and a huge Steely Dan fan too.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 20:10:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Gretchen
Fuckin A was the one that I was going add to that dolt Sigmund's list
glad you got in there before Siggy passed out
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 19:14:22 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, do you know Carl LaFong?
Gretchen is always right when it comes to the Don....peace out and luv on you all!
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 19:13:17 ET
Posted by: Spawn,
How do you post porn this website?
I mean just until they get back from the European tour.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 18:53:46 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
My heart's on fire, the flame grows higher
So I will weather the storm
What do I care how much it may storm?
I've got my love to keep me warm
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 18:50:36 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Rajah, shut up.
G
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 18:20:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
THAT is my warrior princess...
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 17:55:27 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Bewildered
Thank you, Lee.
As far as you, "Sorry, Gretch," you should remember NEVAH to let that chronax script run out, honey, it brings the ugly out in you. Now run along, it's still daylight out, sunshine helps to soothe the soul. So do new shoes. Don't worry, We're still friends, when you're all better.
And yes, I will keep my eye on Donald. He's hot.
Fuckin' A
G
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 16:25:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah, bitch slap Rajah of Erase
OK, then let's continue.
My apologies to everyone but sometimes this is what it takes.
My last word on this crap.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 14:51:46 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
Hey "Sorry Gretch" from the "Bluebook:" My salutations.
Perhaps be a bit more circumspect and careful with your words, they smack of a desparate and delusional DSM IV-R clinical condition. A condition which left unchecked, could lead to serious trouble.
The arrogance you ascribe to Rajah and Gretchen are DWARFTED by the seething hatred and jealously oozing out from betwixt your poisonous post. Have a care my friend. Some words can't be rescinded.
Hey Tuco.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:44:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Michael Brecker played on:
Glam Pro
My Rival
TOOM
Century's End
IGY
Maxine
Ruby
And he died waaay too young, arguably the pre-eminent tenor saxophonist of the last 25 years.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:35:35 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks, I was listening to FM this morning, wondering if it was Michael Brecker, but I don't know the style well enough to tell. It's a nice piece.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:33:04 ET
Posted by: Lee,
Christlieb it is.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:32:06 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Denise, I believe it's Pete Christlieb.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:27:37 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
"Fuck" isht verry old vord, tracing back to 16th C. AD (CE?) and has evolvet into a exxzztreemly zupple phraze, eqvally apt at deshribbink pain, pleasure, dismay, hate, love, az in:
fuck around
to fuck up
give a fuck
fuck me
fuck off
schtupid fuck
I fuckkink love you
I fuckkink hate you
don't fuck mitt me
zick fuck
aw fuckkit
in-fucking-credible
datt fuck
let's fuck
I'm fucked
vhat derr fuck
to be fuckked up
fuck buddy
ab-zo-fuckkink- lutely
and my favvoreeet:
fuck bubble (az in perzon who conshtantly f's up)
It's a verb, trazitiff unt intrazzitiff, adjectiff, adverb, adverb madifying adjectiff, noun.
Valter at Irvine Meadows:
"What a great fucking audience you are."
Great fuckink vord, should be uzzed more often.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:26:59 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Does anyone know who plays the sax on FM? The liner notes I have do not have the credit. Thanks.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:23:16 ET
Posted by: Sorry, Gretch, The Bluebook
Denial is difficult, isn't it.
Truth hurts.
Your laughter is your drug.
That guy nailed it on your precious little Raj.
Why don't you do something positive and attempt to privately broker a peace between Raj and Hoops? Or, is it that Raj's arrogance is rubbing off on you?
Also, while your at it why don't you two send him some money to support the site since collectively you two account for 20% or more of the posts.
Just keep your head in the sand and your eyes on Donald's picture.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 13:01:49 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Laughing my fucking ass off
This place is sick!! The F bomb was dropped in how many of the last few posts? Thanks to Bobbo, Spawn, and Fezman.....you cheered me up so much with your take on things, and incedentally, the word "motherfucker" looks hysterical in print. Thanks for the humor!
just another Sick Fuck, I guess....(cannot stop laughing)
G
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 10:40:38 ET
Posted by: bobbo, in a humble place--y'gotta believe me, fellas!
And,
There's no feud between Hoops and Rajah that lasts very long, in my reckoning, so everybody just calm the fuck down, wouldja?
When God has a problem with the Holy Ghost, do you think he goes all the way back to the Book of Galatians to consult Paul, so he can publish a new screed on "What My Bastard Son Rajah Said Today"? Fuck no, man. I mean...he's GOD, right?
Right?
Right, Jesus--I mean, Rajah?
And a good Sunday to you all.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 10:38:53 ET
Posted by: fezo, jane how do i stop this thing
Boston was my first concert as well. Opening act was Sammy Haggar, who played something that looked like a electronic skateboard and whose every other word was "motherfucker".
Only other memorable thing about the show: still never replicated in the scores of concerts I've seen since. Boston runs through two or three encores, crowd is still going wild. Delp comes out and says we're going to debut our new song for you, "Television Politician". Play, play, play. Song ends. Nothing. I've never seen a crowd so deadened by a tune before. Especially on an encore. Usually bands could come out then and light their farts, the fans would still go wild. Not that night.
And as far as I know, "Television Politician" never appeared on any subsequent Boston recording. Maybe they took the hint.
RIP Mr. Delp
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 10:34:11 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, this side of the windshield--Walter, don't!!
Hey Droogs,
You won't believe this, but the headline should've read: DANFAN FINALLY PURCHASES SOLO BECKER TITLE, FINDS VISUAL SUBTEXT WITH NO HELP FROM LWO!!!
I'm from the eighties, but I come packed-and-complete with a decidedly Seventies mentality: to this day, I like my music in a little forty-five minute/hour long "side" of tunes, with an album cover, lyrics, musician and studio info, bar code optional. When I finally broke down and bought a used copy of 11 TRACKS OF WHACK on Amazon z-shops, I listened to the thing post-haste. While "Down in the Bottom" played, I perused first the inner liner notes, noted that the deal was produced by our Fine Friendly Donald, and then checked out those crazy visuals.
My friend Gail (who knows how really, really DUMB a Caucasion male can be, after hangin' with me a time or three) will scoff at this little revelation, but fellas, I picked up the "There--I finally killed Mr. Fagan" overtone (and overture, for that matter) in the pics included...didn't everybody? True story, kids.
That's just the kind of cat that Walter is, I think. "Nothin' really sinister here, officer...these aren't the droids you're looking for. We should move along."
The album has been an immense influence on my current life-and-times, and was a constant spinner in the days leading up to the Chumash gig; I will not tell you how Walter's legend grew in my thinking over those days. He's a much more integral part than I ever imagined before, obviously...but he's "a bitter one," too. I think he's a lot like a lot of us: you wake up; you're positive, a great multitasker with a great job, fine workmates, a new pad with minibar, and you say to yourself (same EVERY DAY, VERBATIM): "What can I fix for them today? Aw, fuck it. Why bother?"
That's not a very flattering-sounding take on what Walter means to me, but it's mine, and I'll stand by it. For the record, I think I dig the guy much more as a working, contributing partner in what the Dan was, and is, than I did six months ago. I WANT TO LIKE THE DUDE, AND I DO.
I said that. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 10:16:32 ET
Posted by: Spawn,
People who seek to turn the Steely Dan community into a hierarchical bureacracy might be considered "sick fucks" by some too.
If you start banning "sick fucks" around here there'll be nobody left. It would go from the Bluebook to the BlueBlog.
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 01:28:58 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Yes, definitely not me....only one of me here on Fantasy Island....posting sensible posts too.....(OK, boring, I know!!)
However, if you're talking about who I think you are.....back off a bit.... let's have some thoughts of peace and love around here....negative thoughts, from anyone, don't get any of us anywhere.... :-)
Peace to all of Greater Dandom,
Ann
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 00:47:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah, wear your love like heaven
Aw shucks...
Date: Sun, March 11, 2007, 00:36:33 ET
Posted by: prez logic, leaving Las Vegas
Man, I just returned from Lost Wages (still on West coast time) and was catching up on the blue, and saw the news about the passing of Brad Delp. Unbelievable...The first concert I ever attended was Boston during their first tour, with Rick Derringer as a warm-up (Lordy Mama), and their first album was on my turn table damn-near as much as AJA. A tragedy indeed...
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 23:47:41 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Hou, you are so right..this sick fuck just refuses to go away...he is, as we have determined, mentally ill. As he reveals in his post, though, the trail seems hot and his time may be short. Let's hope.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 23:39:07 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I'm guessing five out of the last six posts might be from the same person. Wonder who that may be. Your not included Ann. Somebody find his pacifier.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 22:51:18 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Hey GM!!
Good choice of ELO...Jeff has a cracking voice....and gives a good performance. I saw them back in the mid-70s and they were so entertaining. They do have a DVD out of a live performance of their greatest hits...but of course, it doesn't come anywhere near the real thing.
Keeping my eyes peeled on the UK venues, but nothing popping up as yet......come on guys.....make a decision!!!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 22:36:30 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, My $.02
I find the windshield discussion fascinating! I always thought it was Walter getting whacked by the baseball bat.
It's almost a year to the day when there was a discussion about what car windshield was getting whacked (Dodge Aries? A Kamakiri?)
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 22:27:59 ET
Posted by: Newark, Get Somewhere
Hoops, I am confused. Whomever is this disgruntled malcontent is dangerous. This individual takes on others' handles and seems drunk or impaired. Furthermore, talking to oneself in cyberspace is sicker than sick. What a turn off, week in and week out.
Hoops, you need to police this individual's ISP and blacklist this fk. In other words, you gotta "rip and chop and slice" this sick fk out of here.
IMO, Hoops, you should monitor and edit closely and even identify this sk fk to the FBI.
IMO, Newark
"We sniff you, Big Tiger
In the forest of the night
'Cause there's no escape
From the Rajahs of Erase
You better run run run
I think I'm done here. History-ark
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 20:19:48 ET
Posted by: Spawn,
Word is, DF is switching to 7-Up in order to throw the more rabid fans off the trail.
Stewart's cream soda isn't entirely out the question either.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 19:47:29 ET
Posted by: Raj - the Modern Kid Charlemagne, HERE
Raj- Hoops is unequivocally cool in THIS world (which he pays for with blood, sweat, tears, and money) - in which he let's you vomit your incessant self-absorbed drivel. Of ALL people, you are the last on Earth who would arrogantly take a shot at Hoops!
Have you ever offered to help Hoops maintain this site upon which you rely so heavily upon to offer up such needless and utterly warped crap as how prodigious you feel your "package" is ?(incidentally, the need to make such statements publicly almost always confirms the opposite state - but, of course you already know that)
Keep on verbally masturbating, if you must. Yes, we know - you must - you can't help yourself.
Maybe you should read 100 lines of Ancient Geek per day instead of 10(?) so as to limit your available time to spew your endless self-aggrandizing puffery.
How about a change? Maybe a new band? Hillary Duff's site needs more posts. You can be the true Intellectual Master of The Universe there!
Just think of it, EVERYONE on that site will worship you and hang on your every word.
It's remarkable how psychologically dependent you are on this forum.
Regrettably, we all know more about you than we do about Steely Dan based on your sucking all of the air out of this forum.
If you never posted again, it would likely even catalyze the unfolding of World Peace in our time- your every move ripples through the Global consciousness.
"While the music played you worked by candlelight
Those San Francisco nights
You were the best in town - and Globally
Not just by chance you crossed the diamond with the pearl
You turned it on the world
That's when you turned the world around
Did you feel like Jesus - of course!
You knew
You are the Champion in our eyes"
According to Carlie Simon, that song is "about you, about you, about you!"
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 19:46:26 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Reality Check
Yeah, I have to say that this whole "windshield" discussion is pretty lame ass and mundane. Who the F cares?
G
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 18:01:14 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Mmm, I do see the nose, but not anything else. It's clever, maybe a little to clever...
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 17:06:18 ET
Posted by: My gal Sally,
You're right about the mustache. And on the cover Walter does have that look of a guy who just disposed of the body, hands in pockets and all. It is Donald's last glimpse of Walter before he sinks to the bottom of the lake.
TJ, tilt the picture a little to the right so the windshield wiper is at a 90 degree angle. See the "whitish" triangular shape in the windshield? That is the nose -- see the nostrils? The bat hits where the right eye would be. Only the nose, cheek and right eye area are visible, the rest of the face is out of frame. If the entire face was visible, the windshield wiper would be right between the eyes and the mouth would be where the red door frame is.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:49:09 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Huh - What's so ridiculous? I happen to find this whole 11TOW/windshield thing pretty darn interesting. Maybe you would like it better if Girl Margaret came on and talked about the crush she as on Keith Carlock? No thanks.
My Gal - Yes, I do see DF's nose on the back cover. Shit! 13 years after 11TOW came out and I'm finding all this out now? Nice!
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:42:27 ET
Posted by: Spawn,
So now you're saying they're not?
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:38:15 ET
Posted by: Huh?,
This is about as ridiculous as about 10-12 years ago when some started discussing if the part of "This Moody Bastard" meant Walter and Donald were gay lovers.
"We were a good combination
We were good clean fun
Still my thoughts roll back
Every now and then
Think about you
Remembering
I start in smiling and
I just can't stop
You on the bottom
Me on top"
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:31:42 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Now I'm curious. Am I the only one who can't see any face in the windshield at all?? Could you draw it in to the picture and put it online or something?
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:11:40 ET
Posted by: Brutus C.,
Also My Gal -
DF was sporting a 'stache around that time - check out the Steely Dan Live Cam Photos.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 16:09:00 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
My Gal -
Especially make note of the definiton WB purposely makes for whack: ... "to wipe out a person".
He's crazier and I think possibly the meaner of the two - he's very funny too!
Notice also the front cover: why is WB looking downward and why is the color that weird blue? Is the photo reflecting DF's perspective after being whacked?
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 15:53:40 ET
Posted by: My gal Sally,
I never thought that was DF pictured (reeling) in the fold. But now that you mention it, maybe it is. It's the mustache that throws me off. But the back cover of the cd (next to the song list, not the pull-out liner notes) where the bat is smashing the windshield, THAT is Donald's face (or just a close-up of his cheek and the tip of his nose). Look at it from a distance and rotated to the right a bit, the bat hits Donald's right eye and if the windshield wiper was extended, it would bisect his nose.
I get a sense of rivalry/jealousy going on, but not from Donald.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 13:06:13 ET
Posted by: Chan, Not just another band out of Boston
To those of us who grew up in the greater Boston area, the news of Brad Delps passing is particularly sad. As a high school senior in Haverhill, MA in 1976-1977, Bostons first album was our anthem. The band had its roots on the north shore of Boston where I have lived my whole life. Many of us have stories of meeting band members or having friends that know them well. Brad recently lived a few towns away from where I live now. He will be missed.
This is from todays Boston Globe.
Brad Delp, 55, lead singer for bestselling '70s band Boston
By Sarah Rodman, Globe Staff | March 10, 2007
Brad Delp, whose soaring tenor on songs such as "More Than Feeling" gave voice to the best-selling rock band Boston, died yesterday at the age of 55.
A Danvers native, Mr. Delp helped form Boston with guitarist and studio mastermind Tom Scholz, drummer Sib Hashian, guitarist Barry Goudreau, and bassist Fran Sheehan in the early 1970s.
The group's self-titled 1976 debut album was one of the fastest selling in rock history. Songs such as "More Than A Feeling," "Foreplay/Long Time," and "Rock and Roll Band" helped the album sell over 17 million copies and is a staple of classic rock radio to this day.
While Scholz was the musical wizard, Mr. Delp's voice lifted above the trademark layered guitars, seemingly reaching into the stratosphere pictured on the band's space-age album covers.
Boston's debut has since appeared on countless "best of" lists and was recently voted one of the top 50 essential albums for rock fans as part of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's "Definitive 200."
The band took two years for the followup, "Don't Look Back." But Scholz, a notorious perfectionist, was unhappy with the results, and it took eight more years for the release of Boston's next album, "Third Stage."
By then only Scholz and Mr. Delp remained from the original lineup. Still, both albums went to Number One.
During its heyday, Boston's following in New England was huge. In 1987, soon after the release of "Third Stage," the band played an unprecedented nine nights at the Worcester Centrum.
"It took us a long time to get here -- and we're going to stick around a while!" the curly-haired Mr. Delp shouted from the stage at one point. "This is the best audience around," he added. "It's good to be home."
Boston kept a low profile after that, and Mr. Delp spent time in a band called RTZ, which released albums in 1991 and 1999. He rejoined Boston in time for the tour in support of the band's 1994 release "Walk On."
Steve Simon, who was in charge of the band's business and legal affairs from 1983 to 2003, last night remembered Mr. Delp as the "go-to guy," making himself available for everything from autographs to interviews to charity appearances.
He recalled a two-night charity event the band did in the mid-1990s at the House of Blues in Cambridge , when Mr. Delp lost his voice.
"He could have stayed away, pouted, not shown up, but he was there," said Simon. "He croaked out a couple of words with a smile. In all ways someone could nonverbally communicate with the audience, he did."
In recent years, Mr. Delp found new fans while fronting Beatlejuice, his popular Beatles cover band, which was scheduled to play Johnny D's in Somerville this weekend.
"We're really kind of walking around in a daze," the club's booking agent, Dana Westover, said last night.
Beatlejuice had been performing at Johnny D's since 1996. Each of its more than 50 appearances were sold out, Westover said.
Though some fans were initially drawn by Mr. Delp's Boston fame, they came back for the group's ebullient performances, in which he always dedicated "All You Need Is Love" to the lovers in the audience.
"Not only was the band really sharp, but Brad had this uncanny way of becoming John Lennon, and Paul McCartney and Harrison too," said Westover, who called Mr. Delp "a dear friend" to the club. He planned to have a tribute to him at the venue last night.
"I think everyone who hears this news today, the first thing they think is, 'Oh my God, he was such a nice guy.' " Westover said. He was "one of the most congenial guys I ever met."
Aerosmith guitarist Joe Perry agreed in a statement last night. "The few times I did meet him, he was very down-to-earth and seemed like a great guy, without any of the ego baggage," Perry said. "He had one incredible, amazing set of pipes. He is going to be sorely missed in this city and the music-loving world."
Mr. Delp had recently proposed to his longtime girlfriend. The two reportedly planned to wed during days off from Boston's scheduled summer tour.
Last night, the band's home page was set to a black screen with these simple words: "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll."
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 12:22:18 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, in shock
Brad Delp is dead?!?!?! There's another band I'll never get to see in concert. Why couldn't I be my mom's twin instead of her daughter? Then I could have gone to some awesome shows in the 70's. What a shame, he had some pipes!
Boston and ELO are two bands I'd cut my arm off for a chance to see live. Now Brad Delp is gone. If Jeff Lynne goes next it's not gonna be pretty at my house.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 10:44:17 ET
Posted by: Dear Boston Rag:, My deepest sympathies
upon learning that you are spending time in Springfeild. I hope you are able to pull through this difficult time.
-Your friends at the Blue
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 10:16:23 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Brad Delp really was a prince of a guy. I've seen his tribute band Beatlejuice about a dozen times over the last 5 years. Brad always took the time after the show to talk to everyone and sign Boston albums and CDs. He had this amazing vocal ability to sound EXACTLY like John Lennon and then EXACTLY like Paul McCartney. I've taken many people to Beatlejuice shows and they were blown away. They played two sets of 30-35 songs for a total of 60-70 songs a night!
And Brad would do this not for the money (he could live off Boston royalties), he did it for the love of music. Man, he had just reunited with Tom Scholtz to do a gig at a Doug Flutie charity benefit a couple of months ago. He will be missed.
Mark
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 08:47:10 ET
Posted by: Raven, Wonderful Remark
All: Van Morrison is supposed to be on Austin City Limits tonight at 9 p.m. EST--maybe it's offered in HD on public tv. Hope you get your grub on ;>~ . bye R
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 08:42:55 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
TJ/RJ, etal.:
I didn't really say that DF's image was in the windshield.
HOWEVER, That is DF's face on the outside fold-out reeling ...
AND MOST INTRIGUINGLY: WHY DID WB PROVIDE US WITH A DEFINITION OF THE WORD "WHACK"? ESP. ONE THAT SAYS "TO WIPE OUT A PERSON"?
WB IS HAVING SOME FUN W/THIS.
AS I'VE ALREADY STATED: 1)MOST FANS REALL YDON'T KNOW THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND 2) IS THERE A RIVALRY/JEALOUSLY THAT COULD EXIST?
AGAIN, FOLKS, WB'S HAVING FUN W/THIS.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 05:35:14 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
It's not a baseball bat, it's infact Walters arm. You can even see his arm watch. The picture is just distorted, and they used som sort of wide angle. That's also why Walters nose suddenly looks bigger and a little like Donalds.
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 04:38:57 ET
Posted by: Friend in town, East of Sunset
Hey Raj. Nice to see you at the Doctor Wu show . Hope you had fun
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 01:52:49 ET
Posted by: DS, EP
Actually this is apparently the official Boston web site...
http://www.bandboston.com/
Date: Sat, March 10, 2007, 01:44:14 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
http://www.boston.org/
'Nice guy' rocker dies at 55
By Carol Robidoux, New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
http://tinyurl.com/378u9v
Brad Delp, best known for his distinctive lead vocals for 1970s arena-rock band Boston, was found dead inside his Atkinson home yesterday. He was 55.
. . .
Last night, the Boston Web site was taken down and replaced with the statement: "We just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll."
After more than 30 years in the music business, Delp remained active in the local music scene, lending his name and talents to a variety of benefit concerts around New England.
Last weekend Delp played a gig for about 300 fans at Keene High School with Beatlejuice. Delp founded the Beatles tribute band about 14 years ago, a project he described during a radio interview last year as "my hobby and my passion."
. . .
"He was only 55, and I know he's been a vegetarian for about 30 years. It's hard to understand what could've happened," Springfield said.
Beatlejuice had a full slate of gigs over the next few months, including shows last night and tonight at Johnny D's in Somerville, Mass., where the band had developed a huge following as house regulars over the last dozen years.
"Several of the band members were floating around in here yesterday, setting up. Then they got a call and pretty much left," said Julian Hammond, a server at the bar. "Since then everyone's been calling and inquiring about what's going on."
. . .
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 23:47:19 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Short video of Muswellbrook, Australia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm
then go to "UK doctors wanted down under"
I bet the presenter had no idea it was already famous!!
Borneo is boiling today!! No sizzling in the merciful rays for me...I'd fry!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 23:16:17 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
You gotta love You Tube - they have EVERYTHING!
Here's Margaret and her parents in church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznwtOJfSX8
Mark in Springfield
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 23:01:52 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
I believe he was referring to me...
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 22:16:01 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The latest question was:
"The instrumental backing on the verse in "The Green Book" from EMG, a fairly obscure SD tune but very prevalent in the Muzak realm is a near dead-on derivation from the verse of what tune from Don F's solo releases?"
The West Coast didn't' even have a chance on this one as BOSTON RAG was first with the correct response of "Teahouse on the Tracks" within about 20-30 minutes after it was posted.
POINTS OF CLARIFICATION: It was speculated by BOSTON RAG in his response that several posters have come back recently possibly due to a "full moon" on March 7th. Well, for the record the phase of the moon was actually Waning Gibbous, at about 80%. RAG also made mention of "Rajah's Evil Twin", and some were wondering to whom he was referring?
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 21:16:06 ET
Posted by: Chan, Whacked in Boston
I agree with RJ. Kinda. I see nothing in the windshield, but it does look like a younger Donald to me on the inner sleeve. Why is he taking on a Louisville Slugger? Damned if I know.
11 Tracks came out after they had reunited so I don't think there is some type of "Pauls buried" thing going on here.
Lets keep this thread going and figure it out.
Good weekend to all!!!
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 21:00:48 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, In a gada da vida
Mark, if that's what my dad thought I will never stop laughing, although somehow I think...actually I don't know. Just when I think I've got the man all figured out he breaks out the acid rock and then I have to sit down.
Now I've got to figure this out.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 20:59:05 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Whacked
Brutus -
I'm staring at the 11 TOW CD insert now and I'm seeing zip in the windshield and I think the picture inside looks like WB not Donald reeling from whatever (look at lips, they look normal). Maybe I gotta get some better weed or something...
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 20:36:33 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan Orlando,
I have 2 floor seats for the Hard Rock Orlando show: Center Right, row T, seats 3 and 4. Selling each for 99, a total of 198.
Email me if you're interested!
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 17:31:00 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
My Gal Sally -
I wrote about this a few years ago but many simply dismissed it perhaps due to the macabre overtones of the depiction.
But, ladies and Germans: Think of how brilliant WB was in contriving this.
1) He knows that Dan Fans are obsessed with who writes what and if there is/has been any animosity/jealously between "THE 2".
2) Taking advantage of this fact, he takes his cue from THE PAUL IS DEAD hoax Beatle (John Lennon) gag (because similarly people/obsessed fans wondered exactly the same thing about them: Who wrote what and was there animosity/jealousy between John and Paul). However, Walter being Walter he contrived something even more sinister: THAT HE (WALTER) WHACKED DONALD.
3) Walter also considered the fact that neither of them had been heard from/seen in many years so many things could have transpired since the group's initial demise.
4) Please look at the following cues for some laughs/contemplation:
a) Why would there be a baseball bat smashing the windsheild of a car?(Forget that the car looks very pedestrian and not like a Kamakiri - this is to sidetrack you. It would have been too obvious.) Furthermore we never do see the outside of the Kamakiri on DF's CD.
b) Why would Walter take the time/energy/effort to PURPOSELY provide a definition of the word whack? ESPECIALLY STATING: "TO DELIVER A WHACK, AMBUSH OR ATTEMPT TO WIPE OUT A PERSON (DF)".
c) Check out DF in the fold out reeling from the blow. AGAIN WHY WOULD WALTER USE UP ALMOST THE ENTIRE OUTSIDE OF THE FOLD-OUT TO DEPICT THIS?
Jim -
You're right - Walter is a clever Son of a Gun.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 17:22:37 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
Margie - play a song called Flowers and Beads off the Iron Butterfly record. It's a very sweet little ditty. I'm thinking somebody left the record behind, like, in the back of a used car. Maybe your Dad liked that drum solo, the first real extended solo of its kind in rock up to that point. The bottom heads are off those toms and they're obviously miced and being played through something else. Maybe he tried to see if he could get freaky, couldn't make the scene and went back to Karen Carpenter. Who was a very fine singer. You're going to have to ask him about it now, we'd like to know.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 16:22:08 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, ready for the weekend
GM – Did you ever see the episode of “The Simpsons” when they were all in church and the organist starts playing Iron Butterfly? The congregation starts singing “In da Garden of Eden baby, Don’t you know that I love you”. Maybe that’s what your dad thought the lyrics were.
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 15:02:44 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Chan -
My dad is a hardcore Catholic who just happened to own a copy of one the longest, trippiest, drug inducing, dude look at the lava lamp go compositions I've ever heard. This man's whole life is church church praise Jesus! and his small record collection includes a greatest hits of the 50's 5 LP set, some obscure Karen Carpenter record that was released after she died, Deja Vu by CSNY, some Irish stuff, and Iron Butterfly. It's like that old one of these things is not like the other cartoons.
Somehow I don't see you like this. My dad is just odd.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 14:52:33 ET
Posted by: lyric, correction
the blues beach outtro.
no slack in the tension=wrong
with slacking intentions=right
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 14:35:25 ET
Posted by: My gal Sally,
Been listening to 11TOW after a long hiatus. I Forgot how good this album is. If you haven't heard it, be sure to pick up a copy and give it a few spins. If you can find the Japanese import with the 13th track, it's worth the extra dough.
One thing kind of disturbs me though. I think this was brought up at one point, but I wrote it off because I didn't "see" it til now. The picture on the back cover where the baseball bat is smashing the car (Kamakiri?) window -- look closely, that's DONALD's face in the window! You can clearly see his nose and cheek and the bat is basically smashing his right eye!
Anyone else see this? WTF??
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 12:26:16 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Phil,The author did infact promote the book in here. Don't know if it's any good. It's not really about the Dan.
Here is the first chapter, then you can judge for yourself:
http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_13/226000/226291/4/preview/NOVEL_PREVIEW_MAR_1.doc
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 12:20:33 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Response
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 12:01:48 ET
Posted by: In Response to CraigB,
Everyone who sang that night including Donald. It was an ensemble finale of sorts, just like "People Got to Be Free" with the New York Rock and Soul Revue.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 11:55:52 ET
Posted by: Steve, Red Bank, NJ
Phil,
That book is a joke! It's nonsense.
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 11:55:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
At Bearsville did DF actually sing Coalmine or was that Phoebe and others.
Thanks
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 04:53:30 ET
Posted by: An American in AU, I saw Richard Thompson.................
Hey Geoff
I saw Richard Thompson back in 85 or 86, at a tiny theatre in Ft Collins CO - I think it sat all of 500 people or so. He does put on a really great show, and you just can't beat a venue like that.
On a related note (shows, that is) Alan and I are going to see Larry Carlton and Robben Ford at a club in Sydney over Easter weekend. That should be a good show too.
Jeri, the new Aussie
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 04:02:16 ET
Posted by: Phil, France
Hello there, maybe I missed it but I don't think the book: "Searching for Steely Dan" http://www.amazon.com/dp/1411676823/ref=pe_pe_606_4978840_pe_ar_t2 has been mentionned on the Blue.
Any of you read it ? Bonne journée
Philippe
Date: Fri, March 09, 2007, 03:40:19 ET
Posted by: Raven, Surfin'
All: Tryin to catch up on links/videos/blogs offered here, 'specially from Rag, unoalot. Goot one squirrel. GM, workin' it for you, girlfriend. Friends, did you see this one? These cats got a "three" on 'em.
All aboard the Festival Express (1970) Partying with Joplin, Garcia and Danko et al. (Janis passed that same year at 26.)
Have a vicarious great trip at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pY4ohB6VYw&mode=related&search=
All aboard: LIVING HARD WILL TAKE ITS TOLL Glamour Profession (80?)
For more information: www.festivalexpress.com
All aboard . . .LIVING HARD WILL TAKE ITS TOLL: Glamour Profession (80?)
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 20:32:14 ET
Posted by: Your chance to weigh in on this "content"-ious issue, results on The News @6AM PST
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 20:22:27 ET
Posted by: Whose composition's superior?, Blue contributors? DF/WB Site staff writers??
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 19:54:23 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Hey GM,
Nice story. I wonder if thats how my kids think of their old man. Somehow I don't think so!
Chan
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 17:42:49 ET
Posted by: DF,
Re: Fagen's last Lexi update: Tell Mr. Wise Ass the word is spelt "hierarchy".
"Skip G. can be like that computer expert Chloe, only a guy. He's the man-child who combines high-tech chops and razor-sharp instincts with a naive candor that transcends politics and adminstration "heirarchy"."
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 17:25:46 ET
Posted by: Junk Boye, boo hoo ?
Junkie girlfriend, Since Mr. Young posted and removed "the schedule", two dates on that "schedule" were removed, two different ones put in their place, then removed again and the originals put back. That's about one quarter of the schedule shuffling from the last few days alone. But maybe that's ok with the vacation planners and all. Let them make their plans, and then hope nothing has changed up in the end.
About Beale street, my informed guess is this festival is one of many shows where the venue or promoter have rights to first announcement. Big deal, who cares, right? Well, obviously many sophistocated, worldly, and oh-so-groovy fans do not ...but the promoters and the venues do. What squares! In any case I see no reason to get pissy or go kindergarden on the fact that there may actually be contracts involved.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 16:57:46 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
I like stories, GM tells good stories. I feel bad she has to hang out with a bunch of old fart Steely Dan fans. The great thing about younger Steely Dan fans is that you don't have to waste all that time taking them down the primrose path and into the wicked wicked world of the bubbling cauldron that is the Dan. They come to us pre-corrupted. It's a time saver.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 16:51:32 ET
Posted by: Junkie Girl, Good luck
Oh...I guess Donald got into trouble because he announced the Memphis show the day before it was "officially" released. Thanks again to Jeff Young for giving us all the dates at one time.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 16:33:08 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
The May 5 Beale St. gig is officially announced...
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A25491
It's listed on SD.com and Walter's space too.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 15:52:45 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Girl Margaret,
Great story. My daughter, who is a year younger then you, was brought up in a home where SD was played a lot. Unfortunatly she never got in to it and prefers 50 Cent, ouch! Though to be fair she does love Neil Young, who runs a very close second on my list. It's great to see youngsters like yourself loving the boys and spending all your money on tours so that they will retire in the laps of luxury. Oh that's right I'm spending all of my money too, anyone got a refrigerator box they don't need??
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 15:21:45 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Here's an email I just got from the Fab Faux about two shows they are doing in NYC next week. Interesting idea and one that a Steely Dan tribute band should take on -- playing all the outtakes and maybe including Walt/Don solo material "as if" it had been on a Dan Lp
Next Tuesday and Wednesday (March 13 and 14) , WEBSTER HALL
Presenting a Beatles Album That Might Have Been
"The album that never was" - of course, we'll never really know - an honest description of such a work might include a qualifier that many of the songs comprising a 1970 Beatles album remain unwritten. Trying to imagine what might've been is, at best, an imperfect exercise - after all, it never was - for neither us, nor them.
At the end of The Beatles in 1970, the proportion of songwriting output among the band's members had shifted significantly. George Harrison and Paul McCartney, to name two, drastically changed their game plans that year. Harrison had a huge backlog of songs; the balance of power in the Beatles up 'til then favored Lennon and McCartney, partly due to George's relatively late emergence as a prolific songwriter. His need for an outlet was finally satisfied with the release of an epic double album + jam LP, All Things Must Pass.
McCartney, on the other hand, deliberately made a relatively non-competitive, homespun, do-it-yourself record with his self-titled debut. It's safe to assume, had there been an actual group album to deliver, Paul's released songs that year would have been quite different - and much more typical of his work on other Beatles albums.
Ringo Starr had his one pop single that year with "It Don't Come Easy" - recorded just two months before the group's breakup in May, but remaining on the shelf unreleased for 11 months - while his pop standards (Sentimental Journey) and country (Beaucoups of Blues) albums came out.
John Lennon, of course, released a hit 45, "Instant Karma (We All Shine On)", as well as the primal therapy-influenced minimalist masterpiece, John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band.
In addition, there were leftover songs which would be recorded on subsequent solo albums: Lennon's "Jealous Guy" was originally "Child of Nature" - written in India in early 1968; McCartney's "Another Day" and "Back Seat of My Car", and Lennon's "Gimme Some Truth" and "God", all date from the Get Back sessions of early 1969; and Harrison's "Beautiful Girl", "Not Guilty", and "Circles" also had their beginnings during The Beatles period, completed and/or released many years later.
So this is what we in The Fab Faux had to work with - essentially, a trio of albums (the pop/rock ones) and singles, a few embryonic sketches, and a handful of leftovers. The challenge for our band was to combine what little we did know, put together a musically entertaining set for live performance, and try to simulate the balance between the members' contributions on a typical - if a bit George-heavy - actual Beatles album (e.g., Revolver.)
It was decided to give this collection of material a title, like a "real" album. We chose Hot As Sun in honor of a story written in 1970 for Rolling Stone magazine, about a fictitious "lost" Beatles LP with that title, whose master tapes were stolen (very similar to McCartney's later concept for his 1984 Give My Regards to Broad Street.) Other than this, our goal was set to present as strong material as possible by each of the four, with December of 1970 the cutoff for when a song was started to be written.
There was some disagreement among us as to what to include: was the otherwise wonderful "Back Seat of My Car" marred by that odd "auctioneer" vocal? Would "God" ever come out on a Beatles album, no matter how late in their career, with its "I don't believe in Beatles" line? Could "Teddy Boy" have ever made the cut on a Beatles LP after Lennon's ridiculing "square dance" call - his reaction captured on a Get Back-era rehearsal tape? Would McCartney's beautiful but delicate "Junk" have made the record ahead of the heavier, funkily rocking "Oo You," a Paul groove in short supply in this period? Hopefully, the answers will be as entertaining as the questions are intriguing. Tune in March 13 & 14 at Webster Hall to find out
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 15:08:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Neat story GM
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 14:59:06 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Being 25 I figured that was close enough to respond to Raven's post about Steely Dan and parents:
I was born in 1981, conceived in 1980, after Steely Dan Part One was all over. My mom was 22, but Dad was 33. I would classify his as old and crazy and her as just plain crackers. They're not even boomers, just old and crazy crackers. My dad isn't big into music, except for those blue moons when I hear him playing the soundtrack to a musical he wrote some 30 years ago, and he mentions Pete Seeger once in a while, but that's about it. And that BeeGees concert my mom took him to back in 77. He has a small record collection including In a Gadda Divida (my eyes fell out when I saw that one). Mom is a music freak, much like I am, and just like me she's very eclectic. But I was raised on Bruce Springsteen and U2 and Genesis, Jackson Browne, and - my mom's favorite band - The Hooters. When you're a little kid and your mom's favorite band is The Hooters I think that really shapes you and your personality.
I never heard of Steely Dan until I was older, so I highly doubt I was conceived or inspired by them (what a damn shame). It was probably done in the dark, after a prayer, in complete silence. My mom never played them around the house, didn't even own any of their albums. I grew up on "classic rock" and, in my teens, lots of disco. The 'rents weren't experimental with anything, much less sex and drugs (I still don't know what Dad was doing with In a Gadda Divida).
Anyway, my mom goes to buckets of concerts every year, as do I, and many of them we go to together because we both have very similar tastes. I'm basically her, updated, like a fabulous revival minus all those damn kids and the husband. One day we saw SD in concert and now here I am.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 13:47:56 ET
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef,
I'm taking a little break from tracking Blondie and Tuco to stop in and say when I'm on the trail, I really love to play Steely Dan on my iPod, especially With a Gun, which is my favorite for personal reasons.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 12:30:36 ET
Posted by: Denise, work
Craig, just looked it up, it was the Mose Chronicles live from London vol. 1
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 12:07:52 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Good one RJ
They are looking for volunteers?
Thanks Denise
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:45:01 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, On a lighter note..
Essential gear to thwart pesky concert security goons (click on links within too):
http://www.thrillist.com/archives/2007/03/winerack.html
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:41:50 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy Office
That definitive 200 is a load of bollocks. it was done for Pop fans, not music fans. So many great artists missing, and so much shit in there, AC/DC, M & M, Madona, Whitney Houston, Def leopard. It looks like who ever decided to do it thouigh about their favorite (or politically correct/sensitive) artists first, then picked the albums. How many of these artists will be remembered in 40 years time (like Etta James, Brubeck, Miles)?
Hey anyone seen Richard Thompson's show? I saw him on Sunday night. Just him and acoustic, a few pedals, his unique vocals. It just doesn't get much better than that.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:35:27 ET
Posted by: DS, EP
I assume that's the semi-official pre-buzz since as SteelyDoc points out it's appearing on Google News where anyone and everyone will see it. It's sort of like how John McCain announced on Letterman that he'll >>>later<<< officially announce at some point his candidacy for prez. It's how these things work---they announce that there will be an official announcement later.
So with re to other nebulous dates beyond current event horizons, be patient. All shall be revealed as space/time continues to unfurl before us all.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:23:36 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, is that my father...blowin' the dog?!?!
Hey, Big Fan:
Here's a post from an entertainment producer at CNN about that list of greatest albums...
Wednesday, March 07, 2007
A really infuriating top 200 list
Sometime around 1980, I purchased a book called "Rock Critics' Choice: The 200 Greatest Albums of All Time." The book, compiled by British music writer Paul Gambaccini, surveyed three dozen rock critics and radio personalities of the era and had them pick a personal top 10, which was then assembled into the top 200.
For a 15-year-old Beatles freak expanding his horizons, the book was revelatory. It was from "200 Greatest Albums" I learned about Love's "Forever Changes," the Velvet Underground, "The Harder They Come" soundtrack, the Mothers of Invention and several others.
More important, I found out about Robert Christgau, Greil Marcus, Dave Marsh, Ed Ward and the other contentious cornerstones of pop music criticism, which has led me on my merry way down the sunny freeways, darkened alleys and dead ends of pop music.
I don't know if "200 Greatest Albums" was the first attempt at a comprehensive pop music album list, but I do know there have been countless others since. (Rolling Stone seems to do one every five years.) The most recent is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and National Association of Recording Merchandisers' "Definitive 200."
It's also one of the worst.
Sure, it hits the usual highlights. "Sgt. Pepper" is No. 1. "Pet Sounds" is in the top 10. "What's Going On" is in there somewhere.
But both as a "definitive" list and as a ranking of the top 200, the Rock Hall's selections are about as dopey as the Grammys' yearly irritation-fest. Santana's "Supernatural" at No. 13? Shania Twain at No. 21? 1976's "Sparkle" as Aretha Franklin's one entry? "Blonde on Blonde," Elvis Costello, the Kinks and the Velvet Underground nowhere to be found?
And, because the list appears to ignore singles artists completely, there's no Phil Spector, virtually no Motown or Stax/Volt and little classic country music. (You Patsy Cline fans can move along.)
If the "Definitive 200" is a marketing gimmick (which, of course, it is), it's a bad one -- everyone either owns these albums already or has decided they never will. (And if my own suggestions are too canonical, I won't squawk if you want to include the Roots, Tahiti 80 or the Detroit Cobras.)
Normally I would have fumed about this for about five minutes and forgotten it. But the "Definitive 200," thanks to the Rock Hall and its many sponsors, is getting a big push -- I've seen at least one wire story and received two list-related press releases since it came out.
So, if you're even considering browsing the "Definitive 200," do yourself a favor: glance, fume and leave. You're being shortchanged. For some real food for thought, check out Christgau's Web site and Marsh's "Rock Lists" books. Scout for old Rolling Stone Record Buyer's Guides. Look at the List of Bests compilations.
But don't bother with the "Definitive 200." And the record industry wonders why it's having such problems.
Posted by Todd Leopold, CNN.com Entertainment Producer: 8:59 PM
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:23:18 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Yes, the Beale St. date is supposed to be officially announced later today...
_______________________________________
STARS JOIN MAFIA IN MAY
Steely Dan, Jerry Lee, Three 6 sign on for Beale Fest
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/music/article/0,1426,MCA_505_5402246,00.html
QUOTES:
Rock and Roll Hall of Famers Steely Dan, alternative-pop hitmakers Counting Crows and R&B legend Bobby "Blue" Bland are among the more than 60 acts that will perform at the 31st annual Beale Street Music Festival May 4-6.
The lineup will be announced during a news conference today at the Hard Rock Cafe on Beale Street. A full list of artists scheduled for the three-day event will be available at memphisinmay.org and at commercialappeal.com after 2 p.m.
TICKET INFO
Tickets for the 2007 Beale Street Music Festival May 4-6 go on sale at 3 P.M. TODAY AT ALL TICKETMASTER OUTLETS.
Three-day passes cost $59.50; single-day admission costs $25 in advance.
The concerts will take place among three outdoor stages and a blues music tent. Gates open at 5:30 p.m. on May 4 and 1 p.m. May 5 and 6.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 11:07:37 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, is that my father...blowin' the dog?!?!
just got this google alert about the SD date in Memphis...
The list of acts scheduled to play at the 31st annual Beale Street Music Festival is scheduled to be released a press conference today.
The three day festival, to be held this year from May 4-6, is the first major event of the Memphis in May International Festival.
The Commercial Appeal reports acts such as County Crows, Steely Dan, DAUGHTRY, and Wolfmother, along with artists Bobby "Blue" Bland and John Legend are among those will appear at the festival.
Today's press conference is scheduled for 2:00 p.m. at the Hard Rock Caf on Beale Street. Tickets will be available through Ticketmaster starting at 3:00 p.m.
Look for a schedule for this year's Beale Street Music Festival later today on WMCTV.com.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 10:52:27 ET
Posted by: Surprise, Surprise!,
couldn't sell THAT one out...could they? and if they don't get warm and fuzzies across the pond those mysteriously deleted on again, off again euro dates might all of them permanently become so...
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 10:47:42 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, dhk3@charter.net
R&R HOF lists Definitive 200 albums - Aja squeaks in at #191. I'm OK with that, however
26 ALANIS MORISSETTE – JAGGED LITTLE PILL
27 NORAH JONES – COME AWAY WITH ME
21 SHANIA TWAIN – COME ON OVER
33 DIXIE CHICKS – WIDE OPEN SPACES
I'm not sure these four albums, as an example, have stood the test time as some of the others higher on the list.
http://www.rockhall.com/pressroom/definitive-200
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 10:40:02 ET
Posted by: Here today, tomorrow gone,
No more Walkin' in Memphis date on DF's page....
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 10:31:44 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Craig, live volume one...it was recommended by someone on the blue a little while back. Thought I would give it a listen.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 10:17:01 ET
Posted by: Raven, Pocomoke Forest
SD's avant-garde mystic had an mystique--Please forgive typos. I do know a lot of Anglish (ha ha).
Was that just hypothetical musings or a vicarious fantasizing on Lexi says?
Just wish to thank Anders's email response for great advice on overseas travel idears--I had asked about getting from England to Scandanavia--he said to check Ryanair, strongly recommending Stockholm. If only.
Also about disco generation: NONE, yes, again, right the Third World Man--perhaps your friend's late dad? Guess your friend came along a few years after his dad returned from Nam? Yes, the hope, compassion, heartbeat, wellness and illness cycle, all of in this masterpiece. Is breathtaking. In concert, Third World Man--history! [Sorry Alk, I will never tire of the song even if it is played on an endless loop] Now I have a song to play. bye time to get discotized.
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 09:53:35 ET
Posted by: bobbo, in the strainer's brain
Hey Brain Strainer,
Is it "My Rival," from GAUCHO? Best I could come up with in only fourteen hours or so...
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 09:42:21 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Denise
What Mose CD did you settle on?
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 08:55:18 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
I love this place!
It's pure entertainment!
:-)
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 08:46:04 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Boston Rag,
Was listening to Michael Brecker's Tales on the Hudson" this morning on my way to work...enjoyed it very much! Thanks for the recommendation.
Also, Lurker Ray, thanks for the Amazon.com used section tip. Am awaiting Mose Allison CD...
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 05:06:36 ET
Posted by: Raven, Eastern Sho'
None: Yea, sorry about non-exactness re: Gaucho is album 7--coolness! Appreciate your response. I did not intend to oversimplify. The 70s were were an extremely complex time. The truth you share is just the sort of response I am seeking. :>~
Date: Thurs, March 08, 2007, 04:11:04 ET
Posted by: Clas,
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Ezra - youre' way too self centered, probably spoiled rotten too.
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Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 23:47:05 ET
Posted by: None of the above,
Wasn't Gaucho the seventh album? Anyhow, a good friend of mine's dad came back from Vietnam in 1972 so mentally messed up he was in and out of Walter Reed for most of the rest of his short life. So it wasn't all about disco, southern rock or Antidisestablishmentarianism as history might lead you to believe.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 23:26:58 ET
Posted by: Raven , Eastern Shore Snowbound
To fans/faithful followers of Steely Dan, AGE 30, please.
Raj, Can I borrow your crystal ball? Not your disco ball, silly; I want the one to peer into the past to that era--the mid 70s. Thx!
Thirty year olds: you were born around 1977, right? Bicentennial babies, right?
You were three years old when album Gaucho was pressed '80. That was SD's eight album in seven years; their first, was Can't Buy a Thrill in '72.
(Quite impressive decade for the Dan. They had an alternative sound--a "before their time" alchemy, an avant-garde mystic, a new presence--a break-all-the-rules allure. They were the guys who did it all in the studio.)
So, going backwards, in '72 when SD emerged, your parents had not yet conceived you. To surmise, your parents were probably teenagers when the Dan emerged; your folks were high school juniors, perhaps. Ahhhhh '72, they probably think.
Maybe your parents were just graduating high school and becoming "liberated," enjoying the pinnacle of puberty? If so, congrats! Your parents enjoyed a newer sexual liberation, But Wow! What a spectacular time you were conceived in!
What I'm getting at is that your parents were probably teenagers when SD first came out. So, maybe there's some sweet nostalgia for your folks when a thirty-year old Dan song is heard. Five years into your folks' sexual experimentation years, those early SD tunes were right in there,and your parents probably fell into love with each other. And, well, you came along, no?
Or perhaps your mommies and daddies were riding the tailwind of that mighty, dramatic, happening, underground scene born from the 60s and going strong; and well, maybe they were simply the experimental generation who didn't want to be noticed and weren't involved and didn't want to conform to mainstream society because well, they were individuals. They were non-conformists, original thinkers with a very distinct subculture--minis to maxis to midis to what? Disco!
Am I on shaky ground here? My question is, "What do you 30's kids call your parent's generation when you came along?" Not boomers. They probably weren't hippies, and they probably weren't yet disco--or were they? Were your parent's the disco generation? Come on. . . . who were they?
To be cont. Raven
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 21:03:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Brain Strainer - That would be "Teahouse on the Tracks".
Gee, in the course of a few days we have Trout resurface, NYBill try to stir it up (again) and Rajah's evil twin. It is a full moon, isn't it?
Mark in Boston
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 20:29:58 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
For the first question that I have "strained" out in 2007 (no laxative involved) we'll begin with one with a Difficulty Level of prolly a 3:
The instrumental backing on the verse in "The Green Book" from EMG, a fairly obscure SD tune but very prevalent in the Muzak realm is a near dead-on derivation from the verse of what tune from Don F's solo releases?
First correct answer could, but not necessarily win a night's stay at "5-Star" accomodations in Bruxelles, Belgique and a "Six Pacque" of a popular brand of Kriek Lambic on a SD show nite.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 17:34:30 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in tha cornah, of my eye
New Lexi Says - pretty silly stuff.....
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 16:55:44 ET
Posted by: Oh! , THAT EXPLAINS IT!
The edginess! The fighting! The nasty comments!
It's clear what's going on in Dandom. It's fall out from our subconscious reminding us of the trauma of MARTHAGATE. One year ago today, over 3000 Dan Fans were affected by this incident. Inexplicably, Martha Wainwright walked up on stage in the middle of Donald Fagen's show at the Beacon and began to perform. The result was the screeching halt of what had been up to that a point a show of tremendous momentum and excitement. The moment Martha took the stage, you could feel the life being sucked out of that show, never to return to full speed for the rest of that evening.
Attendees still suffer from bouts of nausea, dizziness, irritability and diarrhea of the mouth. Clearly, these health effects have been demonstrated on the Blue in the past 48 hours. Like the full moon, this will pass.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 16:34:07 ET
Posted by: WHAT??????,
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Donald Fagen's website lists a Memphis show that Steely Dan.com does not: 5/5 Memphis, TN Venue: Beale Street
http://donaldfagen.com/tour.php
WHAAAAAAAT???!!!!!! If it's not on the the official site then it must be a mistake right? Did Donald jump the gun? I hope he does not get into trouble for leaking info. Be careful Don.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 16:26:42 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Donald Fagen's website lists a Memphis show that Steely Dan.com does not:
5/5 Memphis, TN Venue: Beale Street
http://donaldfagen.com/tour.php
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 15:55:58 ET
Posted by: angel,
Big Fan: That's my photo of Jon Herington, taken at Chumash. It's posted, along with my review, on Gina's Mizar 5 Website.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 15:22:02 ET
Posted by: Amen corner,
"Just caught Jon Herrington and Ted Baker playing with Madelene Peyroux on Jimmy Kimmel. The band was good, Jon was hot, But she is terrible!"
Yikes, I might not go so far as to agree with you that Maddie P. was "terrible," but when I saw her live last month Herington and Baker definitely stole the show. Also, she was way late taking the stage and seemed pissed that prior to her appearance the restless audience had begun clapping for her set to begin. (It was a weeknight after all.) As far as her performance, I was underwhelmed. Also, to have such exemplary backing such as Herington and Baker, when she introduced them she didn't tell the audience a thing about their work, where they're from, etc. She could take some intro lessons from Walter.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 14:35:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
She is dangerous, true enough...
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 14:29:09 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Becareful Rajah with this talk of Hoops... LWO is just a trigger finger away
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 14:28:18 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I went to TicketMaster just out of curiosity to see what might be listed for SD and didn't see anything new as far as dates. However, I noticed a few clickable buttons including "Musical Influence" and "Similar Artists" and clicked'em just for laughs. (Maybe they've been there a long time, but I'm not a TM frequenter and never noticed them before.) I never take such recommendations/correlations too seriously, but here's what they list with re to SD...
Influenced by:
>> Bob Dylan
>> Jeff Beck
Influenced:
>> Ed Motta
>> Everything But the Girl
>> Heavy Merge
>> Prefab Sprout
>> The High Llamas
>> Uncle Sammy
Similar Artists:
>> Boz Scaggs
>> Elton John
>> Bliss Band
>> Fleetwood Mac
>> Toy Matinee
The SD bio on TM is by Stephen Thomas Erlewine of All Music Guide and only goes as far as mentioning Two Against Nature (plus Kamakiriad and Whack as presumably the "latest" solo works).
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 14:22:59 ET
Posted by: Huh?,
--[This site can get intense. The only thing I have to add along those lines is Hoops is the personification of cool.]--
?????Now it's just getting ridiculous. Steve McQueen is cool. I would hardly consider hoops the personification of cool. Jesus.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 14:02:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Robert, there is no doubt, Mr. Hoops-a-rama is a very fine figure of a man, dignified and redoubtable, else why would the likes of me hang with him all this time? Jim is a precious jewel, a singular gem. And also a gigantic pain in the ass, trust me. He hasn't responded to any on my recent come-ons, has he? You see how he is? He's a total pain in the ass is what he is...
That's our boy...
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 13:56:06 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro bay
You're right Rajah I talked with Hoops for over an hour. I came away from that conversation believing he is one cool dude. I'd hang with him any day of the week.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 12:44:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Robert: Hoops? Cool? Hoops is cool? You're saying Hoops is cool? You met Hoops, Robert, hello? In what universe is Hoops cool? Oy.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 12:43:29 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, out towards Leone Country
Robert, old boy,
Hoops is NOT the "personification of cool." See, as I get it (and I couldn't have come up with this true-to-life and actual-sized truth on my own to save my life, bro), it's like this: Hoops is THE GOOD. I'm, like, THE BAD, right? And Rajah is, like, THE UGLY. I know, I know...lots of other characters hangin' around to fill all of those shoes and more hereabouts, but...anyway, y'know, happy birthday to Lee Van Cleef.
And, by the bye, everybody knows: our "personification of cool" is Ol' Hat2Flat! Right, ladies? Aw, thank--thanky' very much.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 12:30:52 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work brrrrrrrrrrr
Gee a photo of Jon Herington on a Dutch website - go figure.
We really need to ID lurkers by anonymous code names like "Deep Throat" since Inca Ron and I. Anarchy are already taken.
I'm ready for a good conspiracy discussion - was there a second shooter on the grassy knoll?
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 12:18:08 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
If I won the Lotto I'd pay anything to get Donald, Walter, and the band to record a live DVD of each album. Then people could be witnessing their brilliance a million years from now.
This site can get intense. The only thing I have to add along those lines is Hoops is the personification of cool.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 12:13:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The Europeans lead a very good life, they have sense of social responsibility we should envy. The state values its people, not like the good ole USA where if you fall, God help you, there's no one to pick you up.
For anybody who bitches about the SD live setlists, let me tell you, after Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band last week, I may never complain again. Excruciatingly white heartland missionary position rock n roll. Little nuance from the players, nothing like embellishments or ornamentation. Did you say you like some movement, some modulation in your music? Fougettabbou... nary even a grace note to be heard. What you heard on the radio is what you got, drummer on a 4/4 all night, bass player plucking away at 2 and 4. Ever seen those big salamis and mortadellas hangin from an Italian deli window? Yeah, that was the 4-piece brass section. Four salamis up there beep-beep-beepin when they shoulda been boppin. Nary a black person to be seen in the crowd or, more importantly, on the stage except for some sax guy who styles himself, "Alto Reed," give me a break on the name, all he did was prance around like a toe dancer and blow in major. Stand still and let me see your chops why dontcha. Bob Seger was actually the least annoying guy up there. He started out low key and when he reached back for something extra toward the end, there was nothing there. He's a screamer, not a singer, big difference. But the worst was when the guy behind me offered me a hit on his medical maryjane. I looked over to the Boss down the aisle and he looked at me like, how do you want to die if you take a hit on that fatty? All in all, I'd rather have been home watching the Discovery Channel. Long live rock but this lo-cal substitute should be put out of its misery.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 11:56:46 ET
Posted by: Spawn,
Enough about this overseas tour!
What else would you Europeans be doing? Shearing a goat?
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 11:50:13 ET
Posted by: Romour,
New date 6/4/7 SD Billings,Montana
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 11:34:39 ET
Posted by: Just A Rumor,
[Posted by: A Friend, Way out on the fringes
The 6/7 date for Wolf Trap in Vienna, VA (just outside of The District) is confirmed. Presale information has gone out to "patrons"]-----
There is no mention of this date at SD.com. I'm sure it is just a Rumor. PS, We like our "Spoons" over hear with two o's, just like
we like our whiskey with an 'e'.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 10:15:35 ET
Posted by: More Beers, UK Dandom
On "The Tour" ... Might be a nice touch if the boys got back in touch with Mr Elliot Randall - he could give his new arrangement of "Reelin'" a blast for them ?
To be honest tho after seven LONG years we will take anything chaps... Barrytown on the spunes excepted ;-)
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 10:11:12 ET
Posted by: Beers, UK Dandom
Oh an' one more thing Chan ... It's Scotch WHISKY, the Oirish added the 'e' might be a little thing BUT wars have been started over less ... is that oil or Oile?
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 10:10:57 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Seems like this tour would be a great time to treat us to the tune GAUCHO with all this talk of heavy rollers! That one has always been one of my faves.
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 09:18:09 ET
Posted by: A Friend, Way out on the fringes
The 6/7 date for Wolf Trap in Vienna, VA (just outside of The District) is confirmed. Presale information has gone out to "patrons" of this wonderful little outdoor venue, one of the few that I'm aware of that allows full-blown BYO whatever into the lawn area. A great party, always.
You're Welcome
Date: Wed, March 07, 2007, 00:01:44 ET
Posted by: Kid, Paris
Easy, Chan. $350 million doesn't go as far as is used to.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 23:39:50 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, neutral corner
Man, I love this place. Makes my bloodline family seem normal.
I think our love, strike that, our insane addiction of these Guys makes us all a cheeseburger short of a happy meal. However, that single point of light that brings us all here is usually enough to get us through the b.s. I've been absent from posting for awhile but I still enjoy reading the posts every couple of days. I've been rolling on the floor today, so I'd just like to thank everyone for making my day.
KC
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 22:46:40 ET
Posted by: prez logic, set of the "Family Feud"
I agree with Gretchen...this group puts the fun in dysfunctional. I can't wait to see everyone again.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 21:34:23 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Chan, if you run for president, I will vote for you.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 21:32:01 ET
Posted by: Chan, One more thing
One more thing. I have two tickets for tonites 350 million dollar mega millions lottery drawing. If by some CHANce I win, Steely Dan will be hired to play a private show for me and my friends. In fact I might pay them extra to let me sing a few tunes as well. I am going to hold back all the good seats. I am going to give them to friends, family and my Bluebook friends. We are going to start our own rumors. We are going to say they played Wu even if they don't. I am going to help Walter finish his new CD. I then will follow them to Europe this summer. I'll drink scotch whiskey all night long. I'll pay my way into playing Augusta and then tell those prejudiced aholes to stick it before I tee it up and then I'll leave. I'll then buy my own golf course and ski area. I'll name the holes and trails after Steely Dan songs. I'll get pot legalized. Oh yeah, I'll quit my job and ride a train through the misty night time. I'll pay for a lot of kids to go to college. I will not CHANge! That's a promise.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 21:25:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Chan, let me lay it out for you. Hoops and I have had a tenuous relationship over the years, he's a very self-contained man of academic sensibilities, a kind man, yes, I give him that, a correct man of letters, respectible, thoughtful and reticent to lash out in any manner unbefitting a gentleman.
I'm not like that, I'm a rabid sonofabitch who came up hard.
We intersect at one tangent: Steely Dan. But we piss each other off no end. He, in his passive-aggressive mode, allows me to run till I hit a wall. Me, I let him triangulate till his sextant fails. And in certain overcast conditions, it always fails. So I pick him up, he on the other hand just likes to let me lay there. Little brothers are that way.
The fact that I'd like to put a pillow over his head and suffocate him like an older brother would do to his younger sibling in no way detracts from my admiration of the man, my care, yes, my love.
It's complicated. Next time I see him, I'm giving him the nuggy of his life. What a stiff. What a nerd. But for all his faults, he is mine own.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 20:54:05 ET
Posted by: Chan, Feeling the tension
Got home tonite, ready to relax, see the wife and kids, perhaps have a libation etc etc. Turned on the laptop, clicked favorites, opened the Blue and wow, whats been going on here? Concert dates, who started what, lack of flashing, Rajah and Hoops going at it, whats next?
I'm better off going back to the office and chilling out while the US mortgage market collapses.
PS.. Any official or unofficial info on the Boston show??
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 20:18:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah, holding my breath till I turn blue
I forget the original issue, it doesn't matter, screw the original issue, beside the point, all I know is I'm right. Like always. Mistra Know-It-All is Mistra Know-It-All cause, well, cause he friggin knows it all, obviously. Otherwise why would he be Mistra Know-It-All? Think about it, m-kay, use yer head, makes sense, yes?
Whatever, I've got a this chunk taken outta my ass where LWO capped me. I'm gonna have to bung this fissure up with Silly Putty or Bondo or some shit and like, spray paint it over. And to think, I had an ass to die for.
Thanks Gretchen and Gail, darlins', I always know I can count on y'all to stomp me when I'm down. Hit it, Mills Brothers...
You always hurt the one you love
The one you shouldn't hurt at all.
You always take the sweetest rose
And crush it till the petals fall
You always break the kindest heart
With a hasty word you can't recall.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 19:15:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, flashing you......
Ok, all this banter just proves we are one large and very dysFUNNctional family. It's the same people that bring you comfort and happiness and a feeling of comraderie that also can make you batshit crazy at times. Now everyone's shouting across the dinner table, slamming doors and pointing fingers. And wtf was the original issue about anyway? Let's all go to our respective hidey holes and have a collective glass of wine, shall we? Peace and Namaste.
G
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 19:12:05 ET
Posted by: I'm Going To Be Sick............,
<<What's the sense being an SD fan if the groupies aren't willing to flash the crowd?>>?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you serious? Have you been to a Steely Dan concert lately? Picture the image of "Mary's" Roomate in "There's Something About Mary". We don't want to see that. Yikes.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 18:12:10 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Ok everyone go to your respective corners and take a time out NOW. Spend 20 minutes thinking only good thoughts and don’t come back till your minds are straight.
HouDanFan in corner of office in deep thought:
“Be nice to my neighbors, be nice to my neighbors, be nice to my neighbors”.....daydreaming....”Bears, Bears, Bears”....”Ditka, Ditka, Ditka”....”Super Bowl, Steely Dan, Steely Dan, Steely Dan”...”announce the tour you jerks and play my favorite songs”....woops, get straight HouDanFan....”be nice to my neighbors, be nice to my neighbors, I love Steely Dan, I love Steely Dan, I love Steely Dan”.
Ok time to go home.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 17:30:23 ET
Posted by: Soulslayer,
What's with all the bickering? Steely Dan is touring and all is good!
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 16:53:35 ET
Posted by: NYB,
What's the sense being an SD fan if the groupies aren't willing to flash the crowd? Answer me THAT Little Wild One...
Answer me THAT!
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 16:45:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Fine. Remind me to wear my lead-lined shorts next time you and Hoops roll by with the sawed-off.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 15:37:52 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, shotgun
Like this is news? I thought that's what following SD was all about....
I love you, too. Now stop being a pain in the ass. And get your hands off my, well, you know.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 14:45:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
LWO - U Thant just called, you've been awarded the Lucky Luciano, "2007 Gun Moll Drive-by Prize." Congratulations dear and as part of your duties you will be touring the U.S. smackin up rowdies, ridin 3-deep and slippin in the hood for Crips.
I'd like to attend your investiture but I have to have the cap you popped in my ass removed.
Happy hunting.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 14:12:58 ET
Posted by: Jerry Springer, Chi
I love this place!!
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 13:18:26 ET
Posted by: Bancini, about to fly....
Nurse Ratched! I want my cigarettes Nurse Ratched! I’m talking to you Nurse Ratched!
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 13:00:56 ET
Posted by: Rodney King, The March
Why can't we all just get along?
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 12:36:35 ET
Posted by: NYB,
What kind of crack was that LWO? In all the time I've been here you've NEVER shown anyone your boobs! No matter how many times I've asked you...
Dude, people at Mardi Gras are gettin' it for FREE!
What the hell!
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 12:27:33 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, mad as hell
I feel like I am breaking up a knock down between my daughters!
For regular readers, this isn't the first time Raj and hoops have ever had words. Go back to your lives. It makes no sense to take sides. Just let them work it out...or not. If Raj feels that he has been strongly maligned, I'm sure he has the wherewithal to open his own guestbook and then you all can go there and vent. Or not. Its been done before, right NYBill?
Secondly, Denise, thank you for being the voice of reason. I know that we are a small contingent in the SD galaxy, but a more loyal bunch there never were.
Ask me how I've spent my vacations the last few years? You call me a fool? Well, maybe so. Beats the hell out of spending time with random people who happen to be related to me that I have little in common with. So, WASAM!!
And, KD, I apologize that we are such a bunch of bores. I don't read SI, but I see that as no reason to attack you. I'm really surprised that you have to insult people in defending your loyalty to hoops. And I'm pretty sorry that I ever considered you someone I wanted to know.
You know, hoops has mentioned shuttering this place before. Do you really want to see that happen, with a European tour on the horizon? I am so excited that all of our frenzied fan friends across the pond MAY be getting to see the boys this summer and I truly look forward to living vicariously through your experiences, as you have ours, the last six years.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 12:05:02 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Connie? Steely Dan playing Rotterdam in July. That must just be a rumor?
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 12:04:01 ET
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Geplaatst op 03-03-2007 14:15 door Gina Vodegel in categorie reizen
(foto © Ange / Steely Dan concert in Santa Ynez 19 januari 2007)
Ja, Steely Dan. Wie is er niet groot mee en door geworden? Op 14 juli komen ze net als in 2000 naar Rotterdam. Geen Ahoy dit keer, maar de eclectische ambiance van het North Sea Jazz Festival. Een mooie gelegenheid ook voor de bandleden om oude vrienden en zeer gewaardeerde collega's te ontmoeten. De Europese toer start in Birmingham, gaat dan naar London, Liverpool, Parijs, Brussel, Wenen, Stuttgart, Rotterdam, Berlijn, Stockholm, Molde (Noorwegen), Pori (Finland), Kopenhagen, Hamburg, Bonn, Luzern (Zwitserland) and Lucca (Italië). Mooie steden, interessante jazz festivals en geweldige muziek. Wat wil een mens nog meer in de zomer...
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 11:57:41 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
I think it all started at Altamont.
Piss off the Hells Angels, pay the price...
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 11:42:29 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
http://www.volkskrantblog.nl/bericht/112171
Has this been posted?
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 11:13:52 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
"This is an entertaining, yet increasingly mystifying place to be. Maybe its all in good fun and I am just too obtuse to see it?"
I'm with you LG
WTF happened?
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 11:12:17 ET
Posted by: W.C.,
On the whole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia....
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 10:38:28 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Town of the Mouse (the Eastern one)
I'm struggling to understand exactly where this thing left the tracks.... We've got members of the SD crew coming on and cautioning us against too much speculation, we've got guys insulting others' sisters and in response a promise to meet by the oak tree after recess, and, as someone put it, general rancor.
Whatever happened to peace, love, and happiness? Or are we all just too clever for that anymore?
This is an entertaining, yet increasingly mystifying place to be. Maybe its all in good fun and I am just too obtuse to see it?
LG
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 10:03:30 ET
Posted by: heymike, Chicago river
Where's the bad post? I cant find it.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 09:28:58 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Wow, things are a bit tense. Well said Deaconblue. I don't either understand why this whole tour thing is causing such a ruckus. Passion is a good thing, as long as it is well intentioned and respectful of others. As for the few, and I'm sure the very few who have to be asses (Nosebleeder), that's too bad. They start the fight then slip out the back door. Cowardly sorts. Bad upbringing.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 09:17:07 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Oh the humanity of it all
Possibly the greatest set of posts I have ever seen on the Blue! Ezra vs. Nosebleeder, Rajah vs. Hoops, Lurker posts from deep within the realm and then here comes KD riding in on the high horse to set everybody straight. I love every bit of it as long as it’s interesting (and Rajah is interesting, if a little inflated but so what?). I’m thankful to you all. KD you must not listen to the lyrics or you would appreciate these skeevy bastards.
And here’s a public thanks to Steelydoc who has graciously provided me with new insight into the Dan. I am in your debt. And Lawgator I’m with you and I'll buy you a drink if we ever meet (you can find "droogie" if you Google "A Clockwork Orange"). So long live khakis, the Dan, interesting speculation, observations and rancor. Thanks for the Blue and all you do Hoops.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 08:37:57 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Dear Mr. Titus,
I understand your anger at that post, but please do not confuse the rest of us with that poster. Many of us have nothing but respect for your sister, her talent, and also for you and your family.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 07:22:25 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Really, i don't understand all this frustration and irritation about what rajah is saying or not saying.
Why is life so hard for those that constantly are triyng to shoot down others persons. If you enter this forum to take everything so seriously, than i guess some of us needs a good psyco !
Rajah is pure fun, humour and originality. Right or wrong, in fact it doesn't matter . Give me one good reason why we should not speculate about tourlists or dates.There's is nothing wrong with that.
So and what about the setlists this summer at the jazzfests?
Are they going to adapt their setlists in something more jazzy?
Considering that those summerconcerts are going to be like 1 hour 15 minutes each one,that means about 12 or 13 songs.
So here are my 13 ones
Black Cow
Aja
Home at last
Babylon Sisters
Gaslightning Abie
West of Hollywood
Almost Gothic
Negative girl
jamie Runaway
Dr Wu
Your Gold Theet 2
Parkers Band
Caves of Altamira
Encores
FM
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 05:03:23 ET
Posted by: KD, trill trill
Why the hell would anyone want to post at this site? The only time I've been inspired to, under anon handles, have been to deal with assholes and to try and restore a little clarity and/or perspective to the whole schmear. Pretty pointless task, I submit. I don't know how Hoops deals with it. I know I'm not alone in waiting for a month's worth of posts to build up, then CTRL-F'ing "Hoops," reading his posts, and moving on for another month.
Why anyone with any knowledge of how any sort of squeal as to how live music takes place would waste their time with this mess is beyond me. I've taken too long and have gotten only cover band'ish replies in response. Any sort of back-and-forth between people who know better and mugs who've heard things from people who play in Styx cover bands (seriously, why is that shit on a Steely Dan board? Sad ...) gets sloughed off because people who don't know any better tend to outweigh those who do. The "guessers" tend to run this thing -- which is OK, for those who enjoy that sort of thing. The whole scene, these days, tends to enjoy that sort of thing. Lots of khakis.
Once upon a time, Steely Dan fans seemed to be the type of people I'd want to hang out with. Post-2003, however, it's become increasingly apparent that this whole scene is best left untouched. I'm glad I've stayed away.
The pile-on will come after this ... but it won't change my mind.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 01:24:19 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
I have always enjoyed Rajah's insights and if only half of his hunches become reality it gives us hope -at least as long SD continues to make music and tours. It's all good in my book.
Btw. Rajah, Lucerne is in central Switzerland - just before you head into the mountains. It's lake location is very peaceful and the
Montreux Jazz Festival is going on in July as well, it's not far.
The Swiss are very very good making sure you leave the country completely broke, but everything is on a high level (the food especially) so no one feels cheated - almost...
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 00:28:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah, enough
And I, Dear James, have had a bellyfull of you.
Date: Tues, March 06, 2007, 00:15:34 ET
Posted by: hoops,
A few points:
1) As I implied in my last post, I sure hope no one here has ever believed that they wanted to read my writings or hear what I had to say more than someone who has played with Steely Dan.
2) I responded in my last post as I did because, YES, the lurker really is who they say they are. They also privately contacted me about the post, whether it was OK to post, etc. They were really quite polite ( I happned to be thrilled when someone would even want to post like that.) I wouldn't have said that except for I am fairly certain all the questioning, trying to figure out who it was--all the probing when OBVIOUSLY the person wanted to remain a lurker--means they probably won't be back.
3) The other reason I go through the trouble of using this archaic format with no password, etc is so that if any current or past SD associate wanted to comment, they could do so anonyomously. The community used to really benefit from this through the years.
4) Yes, the dates aren't up here anymore and there's a reason for that. Although I know they are elsewhere, I respect that apparently they shouldn't be out there. I don't do this for my own pecadillos. I do this because, like the bootlegs issues, I realize that ALL OF US as Steely Dan fans benefit from the good karma of respecting. We will know soon enough; moreover, I'm sure if it were desparate enough for someone to know what the dates were, there could be a DISCREET way of getting the info, instead of replying to someone who apaprently isn't even desparate enough to leave an email address in support of their needy request.
I won't say anymore for now...I'm dumbdfounded at the responses of a few, a minority of you.
Jim
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 23:34:59 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, do you know Carl LaFong?
I for one really feel that Rajah is the daddy to all us post whores out here...without him, golly it just wouldn't be any fun. And for those who don't like him, they can take the gas pipe.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 22:06:49 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu
SS - Agreed. I know a "Lurker" when I see one.
Anyone "with the band" would have some class and
would "introduce" themselves. That would make
the point, and it would add to actual credibility.
Any traveling and working musician like Jeff Young
knows, that you don't "get the dates" until you have
signed a contract for the tour. Jeff is "signed-up"
and that is where those dates came from.
Raj - You keep keepin on bro. I have planned many a
road trip with your inside info and I ain't gonna change
now. We are supposed to "fawn" over anyone who claims that
they are "with the band". C'mon now. I know you are a
much sharper cookie than that hoops. No one here with
some soul, would argue that "it's about the music".
You're preaching to the choir "Lurker". You won't
find any lack of passion here on the Blue.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 21:40:27 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Lurker might be someone without a connection to the band. There was only a claim - that's it. There was nothing in the post to show an insider's view. Nothing that someone looking to create a false impression couldn't have conjured.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 20:59:28 ET
Posted by: lawgator, About 120 miles SE of Gainesville
I think it obvious who Lurker is.
Lurker = Dick Cheney. He gets in a foul mood when he doesn't take his blood thinners.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 20:50:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah, that's my boy...
I have been fielding your many emails here at home and thank you all for your kind and very supportive words. Funny, hunh, I didn't get one from Hoops, our big cuddly Cyber-host. He sold me out to Lurker in a nanosecond by omission. Jim, I realize you're torn between gratefulness at my pre-eminence and a fervent wish that I didn't exist, in ths you remind me of my wives but Brotha I have feelings too, ya know, I have my own divine spark of cyber-sensitivity. Well fine, just wait till I enroll in one of your classes and make your life an living inferno for a quarter some day, as Shiva is my witness.
Hoopsie is our Butros Butros Galli, forever keeping the peace while treating the Rajah like a step-brother. Nothing afeard of what myself did make, as thick as hail came post with post and every one did bear my praises in your Dandom's great defense, and pour'd them down before me. But nary a peep from Hoopsie. Fine. We move on...
Now, who is Lurker? My guess is that is a woman's hand, the post gives intimations of a lady's sensibilities, very gentle, carefully chosen words. That's either Carolyn, Cindy or Cynthia.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 20:35:57 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Based on the planes of my face, out of state
Greetings and salutations:
I am the dreaded "occassional" Steely Dan fan who makes good money at my job so I'm willing to pay higher prices to see the guys whose music defined my adolescence. I am the guy who drinks a little too much before the show and then belts out the lyrics in an effort to impress my date (if it makes you feel any better, this has yet to be a successful strategy). I am the guy who does not mind at all that they saved Dr. Wu for sound check, or that the encore choice is FM or My Old School.
I am the guy who tells people who don't know that much SD history that, hey, Chevy Chase played drums for them a long time ago. I'm still not sure if that whole "Mu" chord thing is real or a gag. I go either way on it, depending on whether the listener is a blonde with a great bod and no knowledge of music versus a guy with three guitars in his beat up Corolla.
In short, I am that pasty white, overweight, 43 year old guy who relishes the opportunity to catch the Dan wherever the F### I can and for the best seats I can find and for whatever they want to play for me. There are way more of me than there are of you.
Know what else? I love this board. I love dropping by and reading Rajah's posts, whether they are right or wrong. I am still not sure what a "droogie" is, but it makes me smile to see the word. Hoops is beyond reproach as a fan so shut the F up if you are going to be antagonistic to him because none of us wants to hear it. I speculate myself about great venues they seem to have missed once again. I don't figure anybody here has the inside scoop. I take responsibility for my own fun. That way, if it sucks, I have only myself to blame.
Not meaning to soap box, but I'll get on my carton of Irish Spring when the time is right and the time is most assuredly right.
If you come here to chit chat and shoot the breeze and make a few contacts maybe of people who know way more than you ever will about music or the Dan, just because you might get to spend an hour with them pre-show and hey, what's wrong with that, then I like you.
If you come here to show off or rub our noses in the fact that you once almost could play guitar, then save it. Life is too short.
Long live Rajah, hoops, and the regulars. Please come to my Danfest and let me buy you a drink.
LG
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 20:01:33 ET
Posted by: rajahs nephew,
Rajah is my favorite virtual uncle.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 19:27:02 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Lurker, I'd like to thank you for the post. I hope the bitching doesn't deter you too much from posting here in the future. The outright negativity is from a vocal minority, often from the same person. Most of us are really here for the music and not here for some pathetic attention grab on the internet.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 19:05:24 ET
Posted by: A seasoned lurker NOT part of the Steely Dan entourage, Looking forward to a visit from D & W, the guys and the gals
And just to repeat Lurker's final words to us all...
"Last but most important, please enjoy the music. Some of you bicker and posture in such a way that it detracts from what's really important. Remember it's about the music. Enjoy!"
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 18:48:18 ET
Posted by: anymanleft, rio grande
I just hunted down and viewed the new Santana/Shorter Live from Montreaux "88 dvd this weekend and wondered if anyone else had a chance to see it yet. Being a huge fan of both and having seen them several times, I was really happy to hear this concert was being released after all these years.This was always one of my dream collaborations, so I was psyched to check it out. And I wasn't dissapointed.It starts a little slow, but there are some great solos, a great mix of selections and the audio is very good for the times. My only complaint is the camera work is lacking at times. But it's definitely worth a watching even for the marginal Carlos and Wayne fans.Check it out.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 18:36:16 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, seen, actually
On a bar (Tumbleweed Texas) sign this morning:
Happy Birthday, Horst!
It made me think of Siggy and hoopsie and I smiled.
Any thought on 2006 Danny's before we head into the new frontier?
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 18:26:03 ET
Posted by: Repac, USA
The website looks great every time I open it!!!
I am looking forward to helping with your recruitment! I know Iota Sigma is going to ROCK
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 18:13:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
"Lurker:"
Thank you for offering your insights to our community.
We're grateful to have your input. I realize you are not always in a position to do so but, I am sure I speak for many when I say collectively, we welcome and respect your posts.
Best regards,
Jim
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 18:00:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Jeez, I hope you guys get it, please don't scare me like that.
Thank you, Houston.
Next prediction:
"Waaaaaaahhhhh, ohmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm getting something, I'm hoping I can treat it with that cream ointment, wait, no...
I predict they will be a huge hit in Europe, especially at those festivals and that unlike this great unwashed and ungreatful crew on the Blue, me included, our Continental brethren will not be bitching and kvecthing and crying in their lager over the setlist, absence making the heart grow fonder and all."
[collapsing exhausted on the prayer rug]
Oh, the agony of having this visonary gift...won't someone please lift this heavy burden from off my shoulders? The Oracle at Delphi, the Sybil at Cumae, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, Rip Taylor, Prof. Erwin Corey and me!!!
Some god direct a divine judgment and let this gift flow to another vessel...
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 17:30:42 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
First of all I have never taken what Rajah says on here seriously. But I do find it to be informative and entertaining. If he happens to be right, fine. If not, fine too. For those of you on here that get mean spirited to other posters and pissed over over issues that you have no control over (such as when and where SD is touring), then you may want to check your blood pressure. Keep it up the good work Raj.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 17:19:25 ET
Posted by: Sigmund,
Ya, komplkated is a fair azzezzment for ze Rajja. I gave him der Vunderlicht test and he schkored like, offen ze chart. Den I drove him three blokks avay from the lab und he kouldn't find his vay back. Like all der great vizionaries, he isht ze target of schmall-minded attaks. The price of claivoyance isht verry high.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 17:13:46 ET
Posted by: Just my 2 piasters,
I read it as "Lurker" talking about complicated fans with regards to tour-related issues, not as referring to Raj. At least not necessarily.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 17:09:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I just know what I know, that's all, what I don't, I shuddup about. Like fer instance, I know the person who calls me "Mr. Know It All," is a gigantic load, a prohibitive bore and a whiny little beeeaatch to boot. Did I mention green with envy? That too.
This I know. Carry on.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 17:09:15 ET
Posted by: Vito, Firenze
Rajah is a complicated fan? lol
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:39:07 ET
Posted by: That's why he's known as, Mr. Know -it - all
Re: Rajah: "It's not uncommon for those of us behind the scenes to roll our eyes and shake our heads at those who praise his speculation as true insight and fact when it is not".
Hey Lurker! Spot on about Raj. I'm not even behind the scenes and I've been saying this for years!! He's got a bunch of people here fooled, that's for sure.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:38:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, let me say this about that
Lurky - I have never held out my predictions to be based upon anything other than scurrilous 4th hand rumor, sheer conjecture and tales spun from whole cloth. I believe my preambles cover those disclamatures exhaustively.
My main tool for diving the future is the old adage of where there's smoke there's fire. As far as getting into my Turban, diapers, beads and Mystical Sphere for my prognostications, that's all true so don't be tellin the kiddies there's no Santa Claus. My visionary prowess is well documented, I'm 20/40 in both eyes with an astigmatism. However my Pineal body, aka third eye is like, infrared night vision on a Bald Eagle so jump back.
Seriously, Lurker, I think everyone here knows where I'm coming from. We're famous for our collective sense of humor and our appreciation for the absurd over here is what I'm sayin'.
These are the jokes, take them for what they're worth. Please. [rimshot] Thang you. The fact that I'm right upon occasion is as much a surprise to the Be-Turbaned one as anybody.
Nothing that I've been saying could not be deducted from SD.com, Walter's website, Lexi Says and of course my worldwide net of undercover operatives.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:32:41 ET
Posted by: SD tour dates,
You can find them on the Steely Dan newsgroup
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:28:32 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from the Tower Theater
Rajah:
Philly is scary...and you're seeing some of the BETTER parts from the train!!!
Onions aren't always standard equipment...just make sure you say: no onions...
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:17:04 ET
Posted by: please, somebody
I haven't visited this board in a few days, and it looks like I missed all these dates that were posted on Jeff Young's site. Would someone PLEASE post at least the U.S. dates that are not on the official Steely Dan site? I understand they're tentative, I won't hold it against you if it doesn't happen, etc.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:14:59 ET
Posted by: heymike, chicago
wow
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 16:01:16 ET
Posted by: Lurker,
I have been a member of Steely Dan's touring ensemble but I wish to otherwise remain anonymous. I want to pipe up about a couple of recent issues.
With regards to tour dates, that information is indeed kept under wraps in many cases to protect Steely Dan's bargaining position. No doubt you have heard through the years how promoters and other music industry types have taken financial advantage of the talent that makes their jobs possible. That's what Walter and Donald and their manager have to do when negotiating dates. Yes, money is to be made. I'm sure you agree they deserve their fair share that would otherwise unfairly go to other third parties. They don't withhold dates to play cat and mouse with their fans. Quite to the contrary, understand they would do more if it weren't such a complicated business with complicated deals and complicated people, including a few complicated fans.
With regards to Rajah and his predictions and insights, he is not a soothsayer. Rajah's articulate communication detracts from the reality that he lacks facts and the actual inside story. Other times he states the obvious as something fresh. It's not uncommon for those of us behind the scenes to roll our eyes and shake our heads at those who praise his speculation as true insight and fact when it is not. Don't get me wrong, Rajah is a great and loyal fan, but he is not as accurate as some of you purport.
Last but most important, please enjoy the music. Some of you bicker and posture in such a way that it detracts from what's really important. Remember it's about the music. Enjoy!
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 15:57:52 ET
Posted by: The best Pizza in Philly..., is in NYC
Rolling - As long as none of the Wainwright clan show up at the Beacon on May 21 or May 22 they can write about each other as much as they want!
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 15:42:57 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
CAN YOU NOT POST ABOUT TICKETS HERE? IF SO, MY MISTAKE, SORRY. WHERE CAN YOU, ANYBODY KNOW?
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 15:30:02 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I HAVE SOME EXTRA TICKETS FOR BOTH NYC BEACON SHOWS. LOOK ON EBAY. MY ID IS WHEELS0812. THANKS SO MUCH AND LONG LIVE THE DAN!
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 15:22:33 ET
Posted by: SteelyFan, NJ
Rajah,
http://www.hollyeats.com/Philadelphia.htm
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 15:22:29 ET
Posted by: lawgator, East of Orlando, West of NASA
Rajah:
Philadelphia looks scary because it is.
That is all.
LG
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 14:52:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Doc, I hate onions. Where can a brotha get a Philly cheese steak w/o onions? And why does Philly look so scary from the train from NYC to DC?
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 14:40:34 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from the Tower Theater
..although I am not as well traveled as Rajah (and I'm not poking fun at Rajah, I haven't met the man, but would love to find the time...) I can provide info on the best places to get pizza, hoagies and cheesesteaks for anyone traveling to Philly for the Tower shows...I can also recommend places to stay, etc. Drop me an email. The best pizza is a short hop from the Tower, up on the hill, a place called Frank Pica's....
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 14:34:33 ET
Posted by: Rolling, Stone
Rufus Wainright has a talented singer songwriter sister (Martha Wainwright)and two prolific,cult-favorite folk stars for parents(Loudon Wainwright III and Kate McGarrigle).Naturally enough,the family all write songs about one another.Loudon greeted Marthas birth with"Pretty little Martha",years later she returned the favor by penning "Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole"about him.Loudons song about the breast-feeding infant Rufus was "Rufus Is a Tit Man" an inaccurate prediction,given that Rufus turned out to be spectaculary gay.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 14:10:09 ET
Posted by: x, x
Luzern, Lucerne is in Switzerland and makes sense as well cuz Carolyn's European band is in Switzerland (small country) too.. Lyn Leon...
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 13:37:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
DB - I'm glad SOMEBODY realizes that! Seriously, I really only know Italy, Paris, southern France, London but that's about all. It's a big world and there are many people on here like Still Sparkin and Ann who have experienced a lot more of it, they are the true citizens of the world and I envy them for that.
Tell me about Lucerne somebody, don't think I even know where it is.
Desafinado - Anotonio Carlos Jobim
Summer Wind - Johnny Mercer
Hit the Road Jack - Ray Charles
I'm Your Vehicle - Ides of March
Hot Rod Lincoln - Charlie Ryan
So Very Hard to Go - Tower of Power
Have You Met Miss Jones - Rogers & Hart
My Funny Valentine - Rogers & Hart
Mona Lisa - Livingston & Evans
Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 13:16:51 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Well i never had the honor to meet Rajah, you know the man you're calling Mr. Know it all.
But from so far as i can see and read, he's right about a lot of things. He's someone with a great culture. A person that is be able to enjoy and disfrute music like he does, from Sinatra to Pavaroti via Steely Dan, that deserves respect and admiration.
And what concerns his knowledge about Europe, he's right again over all the way. You're my man Raj!
By the way,i predict that Walter and Donald will come over to Belgium in july, not in Brussels but in Ghent,that other great historical and cultural city. In july we have there "The Blue Note jazzfestival". Take a look on www.bluenotefestival.com.
Believe me, in Ghent they welcome you with sausage and beer too!!
And Ghent is only about 200 miles from Paris.
So think about it and enjoy our Belgium beer and frites, probably the best in the world.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 13:03:15 ET
Posted by: lawgator, East of Orlando, West of NASA
I often read on this site about bands doing covers of Dan songs and what people think of those efforts. And if you go to youtube, there's about 50 of them on there, some good, some horrifc.
Got me to thinking: What songs would I like to hear the Dan cover?
I've got two in mind: Emminence Front by the Who, and Lido by Skaggs. Now, obviously Fagen has played with Skaggs at NYR&SR, but I wonder if Fagen has ever played one of his songs on solo tour. Anyone else had in mind a cover for the Dan?
P.S., still working the Danfest angle here for the Orlando show. I've already gotten a couple of nice emails from folks who are stoked for it. I'll let hoops know the details as I get them together. What with them playing basically every city in the state, I think I need to make this one something special.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 13:00:59 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
LWO, thanks for the response. I thought for sure that many would be up for gasping in horror that a guy from Night Ranger is covering The Dan. I guess I misjudged this audience ;-) On the other hand, the scene from Boogie Knights with Sister Christian is high quality filmed entertainment.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 12:59:00 ET
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Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 12:56:52 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, NJ
Just realized Beacon tickets went on general sale today - ooopps!
What day - Monday or Tuesday, or both - for the Danfest, or is too early?
We need to ticket shop.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 12:49:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah, raging bull
Thanks to Ed it never got that far. Plus the Security guy would have taken me apart but I had lots of back-up and wasn't about to take any guff. You don't want people in your hotel partying after the show? Book Air Supply then not Steely freakin Dan.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 12:17:02 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Nice work Shark
Anybody get a pic of Rajah punching out the security guy at Chumash?
That would be a great one for Shark to draw or whatever it's called
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 11:39:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I must take umbrage, I'm sure you're not referring to the Turbaned One here on the back nine of his days.
Not flying solo is he? OK, well in that case, they fly into Milan, train to Florence, stay at a 5-star on the River Arno, she buys leather bags, jackets, accessories at the Monastery of Santa Croce, it's a school where artisans go to refine their leather working skills and it's C-H-E-A-P but don't tell her that. Have a bistecca alla Fiorentina in a bistro on the Duomo Square. Rent a car next morning and drive west to Viareggio on the beach, buy some handpainted crockery, wear that Speedo and drive back to Lucca.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 11:18:42 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, boys will be...
Au contraire, mon ami. Unless circumstances have changed, Mr. Bobbo is not a single boy. But, let's face it...when did it evah stop any of you?
Raj, why don't you take our boy under your wing? (Remember, he was in charge of you not so long ago on a chilly night in Solvang... and you lived to tell the tale). It makes me blush to think of the trouble y'all could get into together, but then you only live once. Right?
W1P, thanks for the tip on ShawBlades. I always liked Tommy Shaw and read on his blog a while back that he was totally digging EMG while on tour a few years ago with Styx (minus Dennis DeYoung). Oh well, EMG!
And to all those Bluebookers contemplating the big jump across the pond this summer, remember--I DO BANKRUPTCY!
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 11:08:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I've been everywhere, man
I've been around and I've been around Italy since 1965. I carry a European Union passport. Now shuddup before I smack you with this rolled up newspaper.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 11:01:03 ET
Posted by: Walter's Beard, B
So not only is Rajah an expert on where to go in NYC, he's also an expert on where to go in Italy. Mr. Know-it-all strikes again!
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 10:53:23 ET
Posted by: Geppetto, Lucca
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b1e2e/
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 10:31:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Shark, great rendering of Don & Walt. You got the Fagen lips dead bang on. I guess that's why he sounds that way. But you were too kind to Walter's beard, IMHO. Wally's beard actually looks like an old welcome mat the dog has been chewing here and there.
B-Bo, July is primetime for airline tix to Europe. Might cost you around 1500 if you book late and unless you're willing to stop over somewhere. Let's say you're going to, oh I'll just pick one randomly, mmmm...say Lucca in Italy, yeah, say Lucca. You get a cheap flight to Paris on Air France, you take the RER or Metro and drag your behine over to Lyon Station, get on the bullet train to Milan and see some French countryside and the Alps, change trains and get on down to Florence. You're a single guy so you stay in a pensione off the beaten path shall we say, 125-150 Euro. No phone, no pool, no pets, roll your own cigarettes. Come twilight time, you troll for chicks on the street in Florence, it's a small town really, making sure everyone knows you're American, stop one of those total babes on the street who's alone without her girlfriends and ask her where the Ufizzi Museum is, look artistic, look like you've been suffering, wear a beret. See if she'll accompany you for a stroll through Renaissance art history. Let Mother nature do the rest, ask her about her life, get her to talk in that broken English she learned from 5th grade. If she plays with her hair and looks in your eyes, you're in scout.
Come the day of the show you train over to Lucca on the Viareggio line, less than an hour. Now if you're ace, you sniff out the Piazza Lucca and talk to somebody about finding some digs with a balcony overlooking the piazza. That would be the homerun, that's what a big hitter would do.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 09:50:36 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Dear Jim,
Sorry you're ill. Get well soon!
Your pals,
Everyone on the Blue
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 09:26:05 ET
Posted by: Anders, Stockholm, Sweden
Bobbo (and other Americans considering going to Europe):
Stockholm is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, and Swedish summers are stunning. And the girls here are amazing, as you all know. In other words, choosing a European concert do attend should really be a no-brainer. :)
If you have any questions, feel free to email me at anders (dot) ohrn (at) gmail (dot) com.
"I'm so excited I can barely cope, I'm sizzling like an isotope."
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 09:16:31 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hoops
As always thanks for the explanation...I really didn't have a clue
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 08:57:58 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Stateside, for now
Okay all you Travellin' Danners,
This'll strike more than a few of you as a really silly and naive question, but I pose it sincerely: What can you budget a trip to one of the European stops for? Say, in-and-out in a week, or so...if any of the dates across the pond are later confirmed, which areas/venues would you suggest? You DO still need a passport to fly in-and-out of the U.S., right? If you've got the time, and the info to share, fly me a line of facts, would ya?
I'm, y'know, thinkin' of running away again this Fall...thanks.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 04:13:30 ET
Posted by: Anders, Stockholm, Sweden
Hey guys,
I called the Stockholm Jazz Festival today, and they CONFIRMED that The Dan will be playing July 17th. HOLY COW!
Words can not describe how excited I am about this.
Date: Mon, March 05, 2007, 04:10:26 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, florida room
hello all-
I recently created an online portfolio featuring some of my artwork, and I just put up a caricature of Don & Walt. check it out here:
www.artwanted.com/rsmurray
my Asheville buddy Oleander saw an older drawing I did of the boys from the 70s, but this new one is a present-day Dan (though I did draw Becker with a bass)... hope you like it.
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 23:38:47 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills, CA
Oh, and Shaw Blades is on tour, including a stop at the Canyon Club on April 14th! Let it lift you off the ground!
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 23:35:51 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills, CA
So, I KNOW how many huge Styx and Night Ranger fans there are here on the Blue and the Yellow. So I'm quite certain that you will be unable to contain your excitement as I announce to you that Shaw Blades have released a CD entitled "Influences" -- an all cover CD on VH1 Classic Records. Among the songs they have released is "Dirty Work" Yes, indeed, you can STILL rock in America! Here's the entire track list
1 Summer Breeze Crofts 3:36
2 Time of the Season Argent 3:51
3 Your Move Anderson, Squire 3:44
4 I Am a Rock Simon 3:51
5 Lucky Man Lake 4:38
6 The Sound of Silence Simon 3:15
7 California Dreamin' Phillips, Phillips 2:42
8 On a Carousel Clarke, Hicks, Nash 3:27
9 Dirty Work Becker, Fagen, Galuten, Gibb 3:19
10 For What It's Worth Stills 3:07
11 Dance with Me Hall 3:27
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 21:32:25 ET
Posted by: Peg,
Those U.S. dates I'm sure have all been confirmed for the last month or two. I can't say that about the Euro dates. There's no reason why all of those U.S. dates shouldn't be listed. Why are they being posted one at a time?
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 20:25:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
There you go, Chris! How eloquent and succinctly stated!
jim
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 20:11:48 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
Morris, that's rediculous. There are industry specific reasons that we're not privy to. that's really all there is to it.
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 19:33:00 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @been here for awhile
Jim,
As ALWAYS your efforts are sincerely appreciated.
Ed
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 18:53:44 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
As I might have alluded to, I've had a cold or flu or something the past several weeks (not sure what it is except I have used boxed and boxes of Kleenex and I ache off an on!) So someone got all over me for not responding to their email. (Sorry about that) but it wasn't anything personal that I didn't respond in a timely fashion. Meanwhile, the person who was offended about not getting a prompt reply had all sorts of explanations about my motives for not replying right away. Really, I wish I were that organized to be as vindictive as that person believes I am but I'm not. I'm just sick.
In the same way, I am sure there are circumstances with concert dates and other info that can't or aren't clear to us but are good and legit reasons.
Regarding the inquiries about why SD keeps dates secret or not, etc. It's a reasonable question.
Even when there are simply rumors of dates, I am always excited to see more shows--even if they aren't exactly correct. At least there is the prospect that something is happening, that there is potential for upcoming shows.
Why the EuroDates appeared and disappeared we don't know for certain. There are many possibilities. Here are a few, though there are often scenarios that can't be known or understood just from our outside perspective. If the dates aren't completely firm, it may tilt their hand in negotiating a show between other shows that are for sure but not yet revealed to the public. Maybe keeping certain parts of the schedule under wrap means more money for them or maybe it means the difference between getting to play a better venue in an area or shitty venue in an area. One thing I am aware of is that certain shows or venues have rights to announce a show even before the artists announces it. There are all sorts of other reasons and reasons and circumstances we're not even aware of or can't comprehend.
I appreciate that fans (self included, of course) want to know ASAP what dates so they can budget, plan family vacations around the shows, make a summer commitment etc., but the thing I disagree with is how some fans--a minority--suggest this is all personal. It's really not. Things happen and come together in ways that are complicated is all.
So for example, it's interesting that that "Molde" show went on sale rather quietly, save for the fact that, for whatever reason, Jeff Young's site had listed it. I think those of us in the USA are attuned to keep our eyes peeled for SD shows here in the States, but I don't think most EuroFans are so expecting. So yeah, that would be nice to know in advance; At the same time, with all the different parties involved in these sorts of shows these days, it's hard to know the full circumstances of why and when a show gets announced.
Just my 2 piasters, if even that.
Jim
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 17:59:31 ET
Posted by: Morris,
Craig - You ask "Why does SD keep all these tour dates a big secret?"
Two words. Power trip.
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 16:56:54 ET
Posted by: Hanne, Oslo
For sure - Steely Dan will play in Norway at Molde Jazzfestival july 19th. Ooooohhh yeah !!!!
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 16:43:18 ET
Posted by: Raven, at Newark's Henhouse
Hey, skipjack, Newark wants your ass bad, so now you're stuck with my seconding.
Remember when every one wanted "Wu?" Didn't happen But remember? From the dark abyss--and in our wildest dreams--the reasoning was profferred. This was a triumph FOR US--a response to our noise came from somewhere down deep. A true fan can appreciate, accept, and respect that phenomenon.
What YOU proffer has resulted in yet another phenomenon. Steely Dan can drive away an asshole with simply a few flicks of the wrist. This is a triumph FOR THEM.
:>~ Raven
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 15:05:29 ET
Posted by: Managgeres, USA
I realized when reviewing my itinerary carefully for the first time that I had inadvertently booked myself an 11 hour layover in Heathrow on my trip from Boston to Barcelona. I panicked, then found this site. Now I still feel stupid, but at least I don't feel alone.
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 14:10:20 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Groggy Sunday
Daddy G - Ditto about Zodiac. Saw it at a
screening Thursday. Though I don't think
hoops has seen it yet;-) Listening to
Harry Shearer's LeShow this morning on KCRW,
enjoying a cup of coffee on my little veranda,
and on comes "Janie Runaway". Harry has always
been a huge SD fan. Got me thinking about the
2007 Euro dates. If the dates hold true, it
looks like no one will "Get to spend their birthday
at a Steely Dan show in Spain"! Wonder why?
Security reasons perhaps?
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 13:03:01 ET
Posted by: Gustav Mahler, Newark
Newark -- keep being a mindless drone. I bet you cannot wait to hear Peg, Josie and Home at Last again, eh? Until they get back to a 2003 mindest, why support the same old shit?
Gus
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 12:46:25 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
What happened to the Dan's involvement in this?
Joni Mitchell Tribute
"A Tribute To Joni Mitchell" is now available for pre-ordering. The CD, which includes JT's performance of Mitchell's "River," will ship on April 24.
Track List:
Free Man in Paris / Sufjan Stevens
Boho Dance / Björk
Dreamland / Caetano Veloso
Don’t Interrupt The Sorrow / Brad Mehldau
For The Roses / Cassandra Wilson
A Case of U / Prince
Blue / Sarah McLachlan
Ladies Of The Canyon / Annie Lennox
Magdalena Laundries / Emmylou Harris
Edith And The Kingpin / Elvis Costello
Help Me / k.d. lang
River / James Taylor
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 12:08:49 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Why does SD keep all these tour dates a big secret? Anybody?
Date: Sun, March 04, 2007, 01:15:25 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Saw Zodiac earlier tonight. Very good movie IMO. There's a brief scene about 20 minutes before the end where "Deacon Blues" is playing in the background (I think it was supposed to be 1978 at that point of the film).
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 19:39:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, tired
Is anyone contemplating the Euro dates if, indeed, they turn out to be correct? I'd love to see Norway an Finland, and hell, any of those cities as I've never been, but Scandinavia especially. Hmmm, could we get a group rate? Just my ADHD acting up again, sigh...
G
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 18:25:30 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, further down the Chicago River
"Rajah, you were at the Chicago Fagen show? I was there, too! I brought my daughter, maybe you saw us...she was like the smallest person there. She really enjoyed the show, and still talks about Cindy on Teahouse.
Were you aware the Chicago Theater is one short block away from the site of America's worst maritime tragedy, the Eastland Disaster of 1915? Over 800 perished in the Chicago River when their excursion steamer rolled over--right there just off the bridge. The building where Oprah tapes her show was used as a morgue."
Did you know further that George Halas overslept that day and missed the boat! The NFL would be a lot different today had he made it.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 17:14:44 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Düsseldorf
I've asked German concert promoter Karsten Jahnke in their guestbook about the German dates, as they did a lot of concerts at the Stadtpark in Hamburg in the past. They told me that they are still working on it and will give information within a few days. "Your infos are NOT totally unfunded....", as they stated in their response. Whatever that means. Seems that the dates still need to be comfirmed. But I'm optimistic.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 16:29:20 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I don't think that Steely Dan will be the ninth of july in Brussels.
But like i said before there are other alternatives.
There is The Blue Note Jazzfestival in Ghent (Nothern Belgium)between 6 of july and the 17 th of july. So this city makes more sense in my opinion.
Confirmed guests at that festival are Toots Thielemans, Elvis Costello and Allen Toussaint, Wynton Marsalis, John Scofield and many more...
This jazzfest is in introduction of the Ghent festivities, believe me the most famous festivitie in the world with more than 1 million visitors in 10 days.
And of course with a lot of .....sauciche and beer
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 16:03:28 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Like i said earlier, Brussels Forest National on july 9 seems very strange.The venue is closed for the simple reason that whole Belgium is in vacation. FN is closed in july and august, but there are other more Jazzy alternatives. So i keep the faith for july 9.
When it's raining in paris, there are cloudy skies in Brussels.
That means that there will be a European tour with a lot of Jazzfests.
North Sea Jazz in Holland is surely a big one, one of the most prestigious in the world.Steely Dan in Rotterdam is a great thing and you may be sure i will be there.
Apart London Hammersmith and my own Brussels (maybe with Toots), i also think to go Paris at "Le Grand Rex".This theater was build in the early 30's and is the biggest one in Paris. It's a small venue with about 2700 seats. But i like the idea to go to Paris this summer.
Maybe i'll be in Germany (Bonn) or Switzerland too, but one thing is sure: i'm not going to let down the opportunity to see my herous in Italy, in that historical patrimonium of Lucca. A very romantic place near the Adriatic coast, maybe the most precious coast of the world....mmm after the Margarita Islands and Cuba. But being there in that fantastic Anfitheater with Steely Dan? That's the max in a fan's lifetime.
If you want to spend a lovely European holyday and be with Walter and Donald at the same time, this is your chance.
After the legendary movie "Summer of 42" ,we're going to make our own moviepicture downloaded in our minds forever , "Summer of 2007"
You know, like i always say to my friends: You have a lot of good music, a lot of very incredible music and than you have ... Steely Dan.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:59:54 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny former Fagen & Becker enclave
Sorry to hear you are working today hoops.
I know the feeling.
Mule - you can buy that "Yellow Peril"
CD for cheap on amazon. Nothing new.
But I do like the artwork!
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:47:42 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick on break
I think you are pretty correct on several points, Lurker Ray
Mule75: Those are indeed just re-re (X 34)-releases of the 1968-71 Demos.
jim
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:45:16 ET
Posted by: Mule75, Yellow Peril??
What's up with the Yellow Peril album I'm seeing on eBay? Is this an unofficial release? Looks like some pre-Dan stuff.
Any info greatly appreciated.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:40:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Sunny & Warm Gorgeous Day!
"Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:09:37 ET
Posted by: Don't book any flights, just yet
The tour dates at Jeff's website are now GONE."
Hmmm. I don't know hoopsie. It sure looks
like something was "leaked" that was not supposed
to be "leaked" to me. I'd count on a lot of those
dates being pretty "firm". Those dates "leaked" on
the McDonald "Motown Soul" page last year were dead-on
before they were removed. The only discrepancy was
San Diego and Soboba - They turned out to be sans Mikey!
And turned out to be the two "Must See" shows last year.
I'm counting on going to shows in London and Paris in
July. Let's face facts, these dates for 2007, even though
some changes always occur, weren't just "make-believe"
or "wishful thinking" by someone at the Jeff Young camp.
C'mon now.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:36:45 ET
Posted by: Demon Sloth,
"Visable" HA Duhhhhhhhhh!
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:09:37 ET
Posted by: Don't book any flights, just yet
The tour dates at Jeff's website are now GONE.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 15:05:13 ET
Posted by: Oh, really Rajah?, How the hell would YOU know?
You have the audacity to make these armchair predictions, you'd think you had an "in." Let's not get ahead of ourselves, our boys seem to be very visable these days on the web and off, so let's not sign them up for a 3 year hiatus just yet, okay, bunnykins?
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 13:35:01 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Rajah, you were at the Chicago Fagen show? I was there, too! I brought my daughter, maybe you saw us...she was like the smallest person there. She really enjoyed the show, and still talks about Cindy on Teahouse.
Were you aware the Chicago Theater is one short block away from the site of America's worst maritime tragedy, the Eastland Disaster of 1915? Over 800 perished in the Chicago River when their excursion steamer rolled over--right there just off the bridge. The building where Oprah tapes her show was used as a morgue.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 12:51:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
As far as rumors and predictions go, I would never let the cat out of the bag until somebody flinched first. I have my sources within Dandom and I have my sources at CAA, that's what I got and I wouldn't spill anything first. SD are going to Europe, they are going to do the Festival Circuit. See, every town over there has all these carnivals and festivals over the summer, people's kids and grandkids come back to see their progenitors, little towms swell up with vacationers and big city people looking to get away from the heat and stench of Rome in the summer months. That's Italy anyway. The town of Lucca was founded aroud 180 BC, later it grew to be a center for the silk trade in the 11th century, it was a soverign state for a while, taken over by Napoleon in 1815-ish. This is a majestic locale and one that would be very deserving of the finale to the SD tour.
I really think we're going to witness a major break in the SD live appearances after this year. They'll go back and fashion a new record for 2010 after this. That's my feeling anyway.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 11:49:52 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Well, I've just checked out the Birmingham and London venues and there's no mention of SD....but the dates quoted for those cities have nothing else either, so we're in with a chance. London's Hammersmith Apollo has Tori Amos on 4th july and A Green on 6th July....so who knows, we could get our boys on 5th July! Time will tell......
In the meantime, I will be spending every cent I can on the credit card, to convert my points to air miles on my beloved Royal Brunei Airlines, who will hopefully fly me FOC into Frankfurt for the later German dates!!
Here's crossing all fingers and everything else I can!!!
Ann
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 11:34:48 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Well Rajah was dead bang again with his predictions for July IF JY's site is correct.
I was hoping for more left coast dates
Oh Turbaned One will I win the lotto tonight? No don't answer that
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 11:33:51 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
SUMMER POPS '07
2007 SUMMER POPS
No mention yet of our boys, but tix are on sale next Friday!!:
"Presented by The Liverpool Echo
AINTREE PAVILION INDOOR ALL SEATED ARENA
JULY 2007
DOORS OPEN 7.00pm, SHOWTIME 8.00pm (unless stated)
TICKET HOTLINE & POPS VIP EXPERIENCE: 0870 151 4000
www.cmplive.com
The Liverpool Summer Pops have become established as an important part of the European summer music calendar, with some of the greatest names in music having played over the past six years including Sir Elton John, Paul McCartney, The Who, James Brown, Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, Diana Ross, Jools Holland, Tom Jones, Bryan Ferry, Westlife, Alice Cooper, Julio Iglesias, Sugababes, ZZ Top, Eric Clapton, Pet Shop Boys, Corinne Bailey Rae, Bryan Adams and Il Divo.
2007 sees the event move to the brand new 4,500 capacity Aintree Pavilion Arena at the world-famous Aintree Racecourse.
July 11th: JAMES MORRISON
July 20th: MCFLY
July 21st: OMD
Well, the current names already booked wouldn't drag me there....but we can but hope!!
Ann
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 10:33:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Just from speaking with Jeff Young for a few minutes prior to the Fagen Chicago show last year, he struck me as a very down to earth guy, not much of a Hollywood Hep-Cat, so maybe he let the proposed schedule slip to somebody who runs his website and off they ran with it. Again, only a conjecture, but if they are indeed playing the European summer festival circuit, they wouldn't ever be even playing a full 100 minute Casino setlist so doing 3 nights in a row doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. American jazz musicians have made a lot of dough doing the Euro-fest circuit, this going back to Satchmo era, the post-war days. Europeans love our jazz music, they esteem it much more than we do and Yank artists have made nice bank going over there for the last 60 years.
BTW, the town of Lucca in Tuscany is a veritable gem of a reconstructed Renaissance city, this is a place of rich history and romance, the perfect Honeymoon spot tucked in between Pisa and the legendary seat of Etruscan culture, the jewel of Italy, Florence, my favorite town in the whole world, a college town now really where Western history reaches out and enfolds you at every turn in the road. Lucca's the place, so find the space in your schedule and make the effort. You will be rewarded in a manner that your most precious memories will fade in comparison.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 10:23:30 ET
Posted by: Bob,
If I had inside information that I knew to be true, I wouldn't even post it anywhere in the fandom.
On one hand, I'd have to deal with that those who knew it to be true would be pissed that it was there.
On the other, I'd have to deal with people disagreeing with me even though it was true. Absolutely maddening.
It's a lose/lose situation.
Best thing to do is keep it to yourself so you have first crack at tickets. Then the losers who doubted you will miss out.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 10:18:00 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Sure, there is a lot of dates in 24 days.
Then again, many of these are festivals. They probably will play only for an hour or so.
Makes sense.
If it were completely wrong, Jeff wouldn't have it at his site.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 08:34:58 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Wasn't there conflicts last tour when MM.com posted the dates before SD.com?
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 08:18:12 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Another strange thing is the structure of the schedule.
In the UK they are doing 3 cities in 3 days.
16 European cities in 24 days !!
This is very unFagen.
As long there's no confirmation, it's better not to believe anything.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 08:11:45 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Dear friends,
Be carefull with those non official European tour anouncements as long there is no confirmation.
If i had to believe the Jeff Young website, Steely Dan will be in Brussels (Forest National) at july 9.
There is a little problem: I receive a confirmation from an insider of th e venue that Forest National will be closed during July and August. I checked it on the website and ....it's correct. They are closed.
So what to believe?
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 06:45:51 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
Sorry America, but it seems i'm going to let you on the left side.
Because i'm going to make my own European schedule to see our boys.
Thanks
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 06:29:33 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Ann:
Where'd you get all that UK info??!!
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 02:51:08 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Düsseldorf
Yiiiipppieee ! Thanks hoops for the info, you really made my day.
Six long years and the boyz are back in Germany.
Hopefully. The venue in Bonn still has no info on it ...
http://www.kah-bonn.de/index.htm?veranstaltungen/openair07/juli.htm
Bonn would be great, nice outdoor venue, right beside a great arts museum. And maybe there is a small chance of a TV broadcast from Stuttgart, as they broadcasted Randy Newman and Joe Jackson from last years festival ... just a dream .... Ann, don't be afraid, most of the (younger) Germans speak English.
Date: Sat, March 03, 2007, 00:52:53 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
WHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO MANCHESTER!!!!!
Only London, Birmingham and Liverpool!!!!! And all in the last week of my academic year, when I can't leave!!!! How could you do this to me guys!!?? With divine intervention I may be able to make the Livepool show, but also I could make the Germany dates, but 1. Don't speak German
2. Don't know anyone in those areas......however, if there are any German fans out there who could hook up with a waif and stray from Borneo, just let me know.
Come on guys! Get your butts in to Asia!!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 22:33:18 ET
Posted by: SteelyFan, nj
I predicted that they would partially fill the gap between Philly and Verona with an AC show. But if JY's schedule is accurate, the Borgata will be (as far as I know) an unprecedented 3rd show in 3 nights. Probably not the gig to catch Fagen at his best.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 22:19:48 ET
Posted by: mef, .
Who is going to volunteer to keep an eye on this page?
http://www.marthawainwright.com/news.htm
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 22:07:17 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
For what it's worth it looks like the SD.com tour schedule (though I didn't check it date for date) is also posted at DF.com now, but of course it's not as detailed as the Jeff Young list...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/tour.php
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 21:42:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Regarding all those dates, "leaking," etc. Several things to consider--and of course there are the things beyond the realm of our awareness too.
Most of all, Jeff Young (and whomever assists him) isn't stupid or indiscreet. If he was, he wouldn't have gotten that far. There's no way a seasoned music biz vet is going to reveal info if it was supposed to be so tightly locked. There could be all sorts of reasons why they are there before SD.com and probably it's not a very big reason at all. And if that info isn't supposed to be out there at jym.com, SD is sharp enough that they'd make that known. I think at this point we should just be glad, and like any info of this sort, realize it could be changed, revised—heck, there was supposed to be an "Aja" tour 30 years ago and look what happened there. I wouldn't buy a plane ticket until I had a show ticket.
As it is, I'm glad people will have a chance at Norway tickets.
I still have the Danfest lists in place from 2000 so it will be interesting to see how many of these addresses are still valid. I suspect not many.
More later.
jim
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 20:36:35 ET
Posted by: Norway bound, Slightly east of Norway
Tickets for the show at Molde Jazz Festival i Norway go on sale Saturday March 3.
The price is 480:- Norwegian Kroner/ticket and for that (about $80) you get two shows; Steely Dan + Elvis Costello & Allen Toussaint.
http://www.moldejazz.no/
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 19:19:56 ET
Posted by: NO Bound,
Does anyone know if it is assigned seating for Steely Dan at New Orleans Jazz Fest or general admission?
Is it standing or seated?
Does a ticket to the fest get you into SD or is that a separate ticket?
Any idea what time SD will take the stage?
Any info appreciated
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:56:19 ET
Posted by: chicago, get's pissed on
TOLEDO here we come
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:53:47 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
I think there's a DVD of Pat Metheny doing a show at Piazza Lucca.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:48:59 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Is your Passport up to date?
Wow! What a July! Hopefully, as Hoops hinted in the Dandom Digest, the boyz will offer ticket sales for choice seats to Steely Dan newsletter subscribers.
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:39:28 ET
Posted by: Larry, :)
Well, now we don't have to wait for Steely Dan Dot Com to put up one date at a time every ten days. HA!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:32:05 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Yup! It's right there at http://www.jeffyoungmusic.com/ As soon as you get past the intro. On the main page.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:16:45 ET
Posted by: Milo, m
Nice. Leaked by one of their own. Just like last year with that
McD Mowtown page leak. I love it. Time to plan! Just put up the dates Don and Walt, the jug is up!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 18:08:46 ET
Posted by: What's the big deal!??,
Leak? What do you mean by leak? The schedule is from Jeff Young's web site!
Some of you people need to get over yourselves. Just because I found first....
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 17:54:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
http://www.gliolivi.it/i/lucca_anfiteatro.jpg
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 17:46:00 ET
Posted by: i give up, not at a show
...and for the dates that were not yet confirmed, those same someones have just greatly weakened SD leverage in negotiation with promotors. Thanks!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 16:24:36 ET
Posted by: angel,
Gretchen: You and me both wishing for those "great seats" at Roseland. Closest I have ever been to The Donald. Sigh...
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 16:02:27 ET
Posted by: G,
Thanks, mule
G
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 15:59:21 ET
Posted by: Mule75,
You will be very happy with those lower balcony seats. Front row of the balcony is a SWEET spot at The Beacon.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 15:37:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, contemplative
Well, I managed to get tickets for both Monday and Tuesday at the Beacon, but seeing prices at $154 (ouch!!!) for the good seats, I opted for the balcony. Still not too bad, Lower balcony both nights, row A for Monday and B for Tuesday. In this case, I have to say I would have preferred Roseland for a venue, as long as I had the "seat" I had last time. At least you have a shot at being closer.
G
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 13:15:15 ET
Posted by: Bob, sleuthing
This is a follow to my post just below. I called Turning Stone and learned they held back three sections of floor seats, and several rows of prime lower level tickets for room and show packages. Oh well.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 12:46:43 ET
Posted by: Bob, semi frozen tundra
Got a pair of tickets for the Turning Stone show today, but I was stunned at the location considering I got them a few seconds after 10. They are in section 24, row AA. That's about 2/3 of the way back in the lower level.
I guess the casino is holding some back for heavy rollers.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 12:40:26 ET
Posted by: Mark from North of Boston, Boston
Hey Mark in Boston,
Don't know if you guys (can't remember all your names). Are interested in the Mohegan Show. My wife and I went the last time they played that venue and it was great. Great eats at Jaspers Summer Shack after the show.
We would love to see you all there. We got seats at the Mohegan Window for Section 115 1st row. It's high up but the view is great. I'll take my binocs for the fun of it. Share with you if we see you.
Later,
Mark
P.S.
Met all you guys and gals at the allaccess DF show in Boston. Been SPOILED ever since!
Hey Fezman saw you last at the Tweeter show. Hope all is well. Say hi to Mark for me. Picture he sent is great.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 12:29:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Mark
What is the SD mailing list? Is that the newsletter?
Hoops thanks for the Mose this morning (RFD)
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 11:20:00 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
>>That being said. The Beacon is great. Anywhere toward the middle of the theatre is great, except the extreme upper balcony. Loge is great. But for $170 per ticket, they better give us 2 sets!!<<
Alas, I think we have seen the last of the "Two Sets" Steely Dan Shows. San Diego and Soboba were the last "two-fers" last summer.
It all ended on a glorious night by the bay in San Diego.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 11:05:16 ET
Posted by: charliefreak, nyc
The autographed Aji was a nice treat too. I'll try again on Monday. Give me time to brush up on deciphering hieroglyphics too.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:42:33 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, We are masochists
charliefreak - I'm on the Live Nation e-mail list. Got an e-mail with the password on Wednesday. Not that it did any good. Being on the "Steely Dan Mailing List" has it's perks, doesn't it? The Morph preview disc was awesome and the fan-only ticket site is really cool!
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:42:12 ET
Posted by: The Ticketmaster,
As a friend of mine in the theatre business says, "they're dressing the back and sides of the house." Its what these promotional presales are all about. There were probably a couple of pairs of gems, but alot of stinkers. They know the big fans will gobble up the crap they offer "before they go on sale to the general public."
My advice is, instead of coming to this board and complaining that you got crap, KEEP TRYING. I scored 5th row seats at 10:15, after getting only a couple of options in about 50 tries. This will be even more the case on Monday morning when the officially go on sale. KEEP TRYING even if it keeps coming up, "no tix available."
That being said. The Beacon is great. Anywhere toward the middle of the theatre is great, except the extreme upper balcony. Loge is great. But for $170 per ticket, they better give us 2 sets!!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:28:18 ET
Posted by: charliefreak, ny
Thanks - no luck though - scalpers win again. I'm curious how the password was sent out - I'm on every email list there is and never saw it.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:23:59 ET
Posted by: Mike , NYC
Thanks, Boston Rag. I had logged onto Q1043 but never got an e-mail. Appreciate it!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:20:11 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, password
ROLLERS
Good luck though. Crap right out of the gate for tix. I know it's not Don ann Walter's fault but why is it's very difficult to be a fan of this band!
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:19:58 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore, eh
It's lucky but no matter it hasn't let me in.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:17:22 ET
Posted by: Mike , NYC
No one wants to share...too frantically searching for tix?!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:16:25 ET
Posted by: charliefreak, ny
could someone tell me the password for the beacon presale - I can't get in to get tics.
thanks,
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:13:40 ET
Posted by: fife, Balimore, eh
Man I couldn't even get a peak!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:13:07 ET
Posted by: Gene Vincent,
Poison the water Hoops
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:10:32 ET
Posted by: busted, ny
Got wiped out on the Beacon presale. I am not pleased.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:08:41 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, WTF???
is anyone else seeing no tickets available for the NY pre-sale???
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:08:08 ET
Posted by: Jelly, Red Bank
How did you guys do with the Beacon presale?
I got Lower Balc Row B for Monday.
great way to celebrate a birthday
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 10:06:08 ET
Posted by: Mike F, NYC
Help! Can anyone tell me the password for the Beacon pre-sale? Thanks!!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 09:10:22 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...happy birthday Larry Carlton....!!
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 05:27:17 ET
Posted by: Happens every spring, and every tour
A word from the front. Don't feed the fish. Just move along.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 03:57:22 ET
Posted by: W1P, Key Club LA
Well Richard Patrick has ZERO limitations on his vocals -- although he gets plenty of help from perfectly applied dealy and reverb. Hey, this Army of Anyone band is HUGE live. Absolutely freaking huge. I like their CD but their live performances are measureably better. Add one part STP, one part Filter and one part AoA and you get a tasty hard rock stew. And I told drummer Ray Luzier this after the show -- what he's playing at the end of "Goodbye" is a hard rock version of Steve Gadd at the end of Aja -- I kid you not. Put aside any distaste you might have about hard rock and go see this band if you get the chance. Rock n roll NEVER FORGETS! Here's their upcoming tour dates:
Wed, Feb. 28 - Anaheim, CA - House of Blues - Tickets
Thurs, Mar. 1 - Los Angeles, CA - Key Club - Tickets
Fri, Mar. 2 - Cabazon, CA - Casino Morongo - Tickets
Sun, Mar. 4 - San Diego - House of Blues - Tickets
April 3 – Sunshine Theater in Albuquerque, New Mexico
April 4 – Belly Up Aspen in Aspen, Colorado
April 6 – Las Vegas Motor Speedway – Las Vegas, Nevada
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 03:09:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ragged
Roll Me Away
Tryin to Live My Life w/o U
Wreck the Heart
Ole Time R & R
Wait for Me
Face the Promise
No Matter Who U R
Betty Lou's Gettin Down
Turn the page
Travelin Man
Real Mean Bottle (w/ KidRock)
Beatiful Loser
Interval
Simplicity
Ramblin Gamblin Man (from 1968, awright)
C'est La Vie (Chuck Berry's)
Answer in the Question (w/ some lady)
Fire Down Below
Horizontal Bop (that useless sax player surfaces)
Katmandu(no sustained breath control)
1st Enc.
Night Moves(no pipes left by now)
H'wood Nights(running on fumes)
2nd Enc
Against the Wind(reciting lyrics mostly)
R & R Never Forgets(audience did most of the work)
Donald is not the only guy around 60 who has vocal limitations. I think the upside to this 1-Set Casino format is that it allows Don to perform regularly at a very high level without blowing his pipes out or getting sore throats, colds, laryngitis, swollen glands. That just seems logical to me, I'm not making excuses for him. A 100 minute set is the necessary physical compromise, I'm convinced.
Date: Fri, March 02, 2007, 01:55:45 ET
Posted by: MikeMcD's Sax player ,
"Here are some basic truths:
1. This tour is one ridiculous money grab. I am offended that the boyz are out on the road playing the same tired set list as it was in 2006 (and other years). Shit, we might as well have MM back on the bill along with his mediocre sax player who would often play higher than Kenny-fuckin'-G. Who the fuck is that bozo?
2. Leonard Cohen blows goat ass.
Gustav is out!"
This is one great post.
Has it been discussed here before, or is this the first post about what a steaming heap of dogshit Mike McDonald's sax player was on last summer's tour. I'll admit, I dropped major cash to see Steely Dan play the SAME FUCKING SETLIST in 3 different states last summer (for anybody saying I'm ungrateful and that the we're sooo lucky the boys are touring again, BITE ME. The shows were all top notch. Just change up the setlist a little WTF???). But I also got there early to sit through MM's excruciating set. What a mess MM's entire act was. First, and most importantly, his voice is SHOT. Next, how mediocre was his band??...oh yeah the drummer was a black chick..HOW COOL. What kind of cliche was that sax player? Alright dude, you're pretty good. Now how do you walk out on stage every night for 2 months, play the same fucking solo, and not want to kill yourself? I can't believe I saw the SAME show in 3 different states.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 22:44:47 ET
Posted by: Newark, Poland
Hey you, creepy Medusa head: Again, my bable translator gives this result:
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 18:48:37 ET
Posted by: Gustav Mahler, Ubiquicity
[translated]
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 18:48:37 ET
Posted by: Go stab my miserable self, I am asshole-city
Here are some basic truths:
I am into an attention grab. The boyz are offended that I am so tired and so disrespectful of their talents and I disrespect the girls in the band, and I shit M&M's on myself in public on a regular basis, since I never get sex or at least I am seeking to play with myself in public and have mediocre sex in private and in public, playing with myself, wishing I were in Kennyworld fcking a chimpanzee, and mad because I'm never invited to attend a goat fuck, but I'll take it up the ass after I'm finished letting horny gay guys blow my ass out because I'm miserable and you won't need no lard because I'm a raisin dick. --Go stab myself
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 21:35:02 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
My double bad....that was Bob SEGER....and I saw him in 1978, not '77.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 21:29:53 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Scouter if you were serious my e-mail is above.
Thanks
Fife
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 21:12:36 ET
Posted by: washington, dc
The suspense is killing me as to where Steely Dan plays in the DC area this year: (They better play somewhere!) I'm hoping badly for the Warner Theatre, fearing Nissan Pavilion, but will settle for Wolftrap. I really wish they'd announce.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 20:56:22 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJ
Somebody posts a link to where Walter misspells Seger, and suddenly everyone is misspelling it.
Seger did get schlocky after Night Moves, however 1982's The Distance was a very good album.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 20:43:47 ET
Posted by: Whats with the bump?, Merc Retro LA
Dr. Rajah Perper Gumby is that your loin cloth, turban or are you just glad to see me?
Love,
Fetchen Gretchen
Fife = Scouter Libby
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 20:19:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You'll never cut it as a Sister of Mercy, G-Spot, they have to wear underwear I hear.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 20:03:32 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Our Lady of Perpetual Excess, CT Chapter
Rajah and Dan, you know I have taken the vows of Poverty, Chastity, and Obedience. It was always my calling........
G
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 20:01:20 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Springtime 1977...Bob Seeger backed by 1) Toby Beau and 2) Wet Willie.
Right Pink...Live Bullet was a good album. Always liked Ramblin' Gamblin' Man, followed by Heavy Music , then Katmandu. Last good album was Night Moves...got a bit schlokky after that.
Live was a trip. Very good show - the Night Moves tour.
The sax player was attached at the knees to a trapeze...and was swinging back and forth and somersaulting around at the same time. Never seen anything like that. Better than Roger Waters and his band playing cards in the middle of Dogs on the In the Flesh tour DVD.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 19:54:22 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Anyone up for chat?
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 19:48:06 ET
Posted by: W1P, Def Leppard Photograph
No worries G, the only "copy" is simply emblazoned in my mind where even Raj can't take it away from me!
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 19:47:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh great, does anybody NOT have a picture of Gretchen flashing the boo-ya??????????
I aughtta launch a website called "DAR Exhibitionist Sluts," and charge 5.99 a month!!!!!
It'a always those quiet, lily-white New England beeeaatches.
Sweetheart, I'm enrolling you in the Little Sisters of Mercy remedial cloisters program ASAP.
Oh da shame...
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 19:34:25 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
gustav, gustav. you can't critisize that which does not yet exist.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 18:48:37 ET
Posted by: Gustav Mahler, Ubiquicity
Here are some basic truths:
1. This tour is one ridiculous money grab. I am offended that the boyz are out on the road playing the same tired set list as it was in 2006 (and other years). Shit, we might as well have MM back on the bill along with his mediocre sax player who would often play higher than Kenny-fuckin'-G. Who the fuck is that bozo?
2. Leonard Cohen blows goat ass.
Gustav is out!
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 18:44:14 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Dark side
W1P, the picture you have of me, not the one where....uh oh, I thought you destroyed that. Anyway, our Alan has one he can blackmail me with as well, taken outside the Hitching Post in Buellton. Yikes. I better keep myself under wraps more!
G
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 17:47:35 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Wow! It was a year ago at this time that the first Wing Ding of '06 was being held in New Jersey in anticipation of the first Donald Fagen Band 2006 show. Here's one to all of you near and far.
"Here at the western, here at the western, here at the western..."
As I've posted before a while back, I like a number of Seeger hits and he has more than paid his dues. Although I am a casual fan, he does have my respect. Seeger is a huge Leonard Cohen fan.
I wouldn't count on the Fagen box set at any date until one starts seeing info at df.com Donald will finesse and release when ready. Just the way it seems after all these years.
jim
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 17:24:38 ET
Posted by: KD, On location
It's March. Anyone surprised we haven't heard any advance stateside mention of the Fagen Box Set?
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 15:40:27 ET
Posted by: W1P, Ireland
I've been informed that Led Zepagain will be playing March 31 in Drogheda, Ireland. As you know, Led Zepagain's "Jimmy Page" is Steve Zukowsky, rhythm guitarist of Which One's Pink? LZ's "Robert Plant" is Swan Montgomery who, I gather, hails from Drogheda which is why they have selected that city as the host for their show. I also understand that Zepagain will book some additional Irish shows for early April. So if you are going to be anywhere in the neighbourhood, drop by and check out our friends Zepagain and tell 'em W1P sent ya!
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 15:07:02 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Rajah, I don't expect AoA to go on til well past 11. I also hear there are plenty of tix available. So why don't you stop by on your way home from the Forum (or better yet, drag the firm clients to the Key Club with you telling them "now you've seen the lightweight stuff, here's some REAL rock music"). Then you can just show me your photo of Gretchen and I will show you my photo of Gretchen and we'll be even ;-)
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:53:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Cripes, Pink, I'll trade you this 5th row floor seat, my busted Steely Dan keychain and a very randy picture I took of Gretchen being naughty on my cell phone for your Army of Anyone ticket. I loved Stone Temple Pilots and despite the fact that this Army group has a really unfortunate monikker, they rock. Saw them on Leno, they do old STP songs as well. Luzier is getting some major props these days, he taught at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood for like ten years. We deffiney need a review of that, P.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:29:16 ET
Posted by: W1P, Forum
Bob Seger is in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, for Gawd's sake -- Rajah think Chevy Trucks "Like A Rock" -- that's him til unceremoniously dumped for Mellencamp. Actually the Live Bullet record, before he really hit big in the 70s, is very good. I still really like Travelin Man into Beautiful Loser. Bob's a heartland rocker in the vein of Springsteen and Mellencamp. Nothing super special, but some catchy songs and some good guitar playing. Fire Down Below, Hollywood Nights, Horizontal Bop and his double entendre song about Jane Fonda, Her Strut ("they do respect her but, they love to watch her strut . . ."), are all pretty good. It's the ballads that he's most famous for that I don't really like all that much -- but if you go to the show thinking "rock n roll revue revival etc." you should be entertained.
I, on the other hand, am going to the Key Club tonight to catch Army of Anyone featuring the DeLeo brothers, Richard Patrick and America's favorite drummer Ray Luzier!
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:26:30 ET
Posted by: Man with no face, Altamira
Sigh. Another summer shed date and "series" tickets go on sale 3/4. Insert rant from last summer here. I guess I can still hope for a Mississippi Casino revival.
BTW, whomever below that was griping... they did play the hifi buys amphitheater, not chastain, in '03. But I'm with you, bro.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:24:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Love the Allmans, Mule, blues with jazz-style improvisations, great solo work. The Allman crowd at the Beacon are just regular City folks who dig them, lots of potsmoke, nobody sits down, people passing out here and there. But when they played the Greek out here last time, a psychedelic old school bus rolls up to the dirt lot and out come dozens of latter-day hippie/biker types in varying degrees of altered consciousness, a whuupin' it up like all get out and pouring through the gates. Thought I was at a rodeo. Unlike the Steely Dan crowd, not us but the casual fans, who don't resemble a rock n roll crowd as much as they do an AARP convention gathering before the big lecture on reverse mortgages.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:05:25 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Raj,
Saw Seeger earlier this month in Houston. Definitely an Allman type crowd. I've never been much of a Seeger fan but there was a gorgeous blonde to my right that made the night more fun. Ramblin Gamblin Man was the highlight of the show. One wierd thing was that there was no jumbotron so it was difficult to see the band unless you were up close.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 14:00:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...a new post from Lewis at Lexi Says....
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 13:56:41 ET
Posted by: Mule75, Philthydelphia
Hey Raj,
Fairly low blow with the ABB audience reference. Some of us are a bit more refined...my wife wears a bra :)
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 13:42:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
R U kidding? I'm hoping I don't see anyone I know there. These are the things that can ruin your reputation. I'll have smush down this Turban and tuck it up into my 10-gallon lid.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 13:32:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah
We want pics of your night on the town with Bob
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 13:14:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thanks G, that helps some.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 13:07:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I left Cleveland when I was seventeen, only been back a few times since. The Rust belt was fu-u-u-gly, steel mills lit up the sky every 45 minutes, nasty dank streets, wind whippin off the lake, still, this is my home town like the song say. Is the Bob Seeger crownd anything like the Allmans crowd? Ya know, chain attaching wallet to bluejeans, tatoos, Old Glory bandanas, fifty year old wives wearing t-shirts with no bra, big bouncy sloppy cleavage?
Hoping to salvage something out of this experience...and what the hell is a Silver Bullet Band? Boss is expecting me to pretend I really like these guys, godhelpme...
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:58:13 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Rajah, BS appeared in Philly not too long ago and I remember reading a favorable review in "The Inquirer" shortly thereafter. I searched the paper's site to no avail, but then Googled and found it here (3rd post down)...
http://www.segernet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3135
Concert Review by Nick Cristiano, Inquirer staff writer
Oh, what the heck, here's the text of the review as cut-n-pasted from that site (Feel free to compare and contrast to SD)...
_____________________________
Even 30 years ago, when he was a superstar in a world where rock-and-roll was a bigger cultural and commercial force, Bob Seger could sound like a man out of his time, a guy already feeling the weight of mortality.
Think of "Night Moves" or "Against the Wind," two hits whose autumnal air is closer to country fatalism than rock swagger. Or, at the other extreme, the reactionary railing of "Old Time Rock and Roll" - "Today's music ain't got the same soul."
Seger didn't write that last one, although he might as well have - it's hard to think of a rocker who better fits the song's sentiments. But by the time the 61-year-old Rock and Roll Hall of Famer and his Silver Bullet Band delivered the tune five songs into their scintillating show Thursday night at the far-from-sold-out Wachovia Spectrum, it was clear that while "old-fashioned" might apply, "relic" and "over-the-hill" did not.
What came to mind foremost was the description he gave to the wheels he sang about in 1982's "Makin' Thunderbirds" - "classic, in a word." This is a musical vehicle that, for all the miles on it, has stood the test of time magnificently.
Looking fit and energetic for his first tour in 10 years, the silver-haired Seger opened with "Roll Me Away," a mid-tempo song built on his basic sound of heavy rhythms, guitars, and graceful piano lines, with three female backup singers.
Befitting his Michigan heritage, however, his rock also contains heavy doses of soul and R&B, and that immediately became apparent when he brought out a four-man brass section, the Motor City Horns, to augment Silver Bullet sax man Alto Reed. The horns reappeared periodically throughout the night, putting an extra charge into numbers like "Horizontal Bop" and "Katmandu."
Seger included five songs from his strong new album, Face the Promise, but mostly he gave the fans what they wanted from his catalog of radio and concert favorites. The show moved along briskly - befitting his no-frills, working-class ethos, the band didn't indulge in any extended flashy solos. Rather it functioned as a finely tuned machine in the service of the songs, keeping the rockers hurtling along and providing spare atmospherics on the ballads. Seger's distinctive rasp, meanwhile, remains robust; it has taken on some deeper tones, but that has only made one of the great rock voices sound even better.
It was fitting that the night would end with a song about the music. "Rock and Roll Never Forgets" is another tune about getting older ("Now sweet 16's turned 31..."). But with the rhythm section laying down that heavy beat, the guitarists firing off chunky riffs, the piano player pumping out a boogie woogie, the horn section driving, and the singers wailing - all threatening to blow the lid off the old arena - the music did what all the night's rockers did: rage, in a gloriously infectious and good-time fashion, against any dimming of the light.
And isn't that what rock-and-roll is all about?
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:53:49 ET
Posted by: Fla alF, .
Seger has been spotted at Dan concerts.
http://www.steelydan.com/morningscan.07.html
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:52:00 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .s.s
Raj,
Don't know about Seger? I thought you had rust belt roots. Dan connection: He used the same trio of female singers on some of his albums as were used on Can't Buy a Thrill.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:48:59 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Bob who ?
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:27:02 ET
Posted by: heymike, chgo
Here's a tidbit--Turn the Page talks about Omaha but it was actually written when he was traveling through Wisconsin.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:20:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah, another fine mess
We have these two clients in from NY today who want to go see Bob Seger of al people tonight at the Forum. So the Boss just handed me a ticket and announced I was going with them since I'm suppose to know about things musical. I don't know from doink about Bob Seger except for Down on Main Street and that annoying Ford truck commercial.
Any Bob Seger fans out there who can give me the 411?
Now there's a question I never thought I'd ask...
Baba Hitchin' Up My Gear and Where's that Cowboy Hat Rajah
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 12:15:45 ET
Posted by: john, nyc
no steely on the west coast? i can't believe people are actually complaining about that. THEY WERE JUST THERE !
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 11:35:22 ET
Posted by: Sledge,
Hey SUX
Don't go Take tour whining elsewhere.
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 10:34:06 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan, SUX
Chastain Park Amphitheatre again??? Come on guys, you've played Chastain the last 3 times ('00, '03 & '06)! I really have to wonder where the Dan's creativity rests these days - same lame venues, same lame set list!!
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 10:07:03 ET
Posted by: Yvonne, MF
are there any news??
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 10:06:28 ET
Posted by: Yvonne, MF
what about the new walter release?
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 10:05:49 ET
Posted by: Yvonne, MF
haven t been here for a while
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 09:59:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hoops
Like Bo I thank you for all you do here on the Blue and Radio Free Dandom. In fact it is my only source for jazz(RFD)
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 09:19:44 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, bein' blown away by bloody POETRY, fer Chrissakes...
Hey Puffy,
Damn, fella! That's a nice run of prose you put up, there. Now, as a rule, I despise a lot of poetry that's put before me, y'know; can't explain it, except that I like the language in certain tones and rythms that are generally best done (in my experience) as narrative text...
But that's a good 'n, man. I think I almost "get it." Thanks for sharing.
Hoops, I know what you mean about making the joy of a tour year kind of "over-calculated," but you know how some of our Tribe here can be: the ones who don't show are the ones who down the Next One. Right? Thanks again for all you do, and I'm over-and-out for now. Take care, you groovy freaks! I may not make another one until Texas in June/July (my own prediction here)...Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, March 01, 2007, 00:18:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ah yes, I remember it well...
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 23:56:21 ET
Posted by: W1P, Double Classic Double Album Night
Yes -- PQ & Tony were there for The Wall -- the lovely Gretchen was Dark Side with AP
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 23:46:55 ET
Posted by: Puffy Mc G-Spot,
Funny how I find myself
in love with you...
If I could buy my reasoning
I'd pay to lose.
One half won't do...
I've asked myself
How much do you commit yourself?
It's my life
Don't you forget
It's my life
It never ends
Funny how I blind myself
I never knew...
if I was sometimes played upon
Afraid to lose,
I'd tell myself
what good you do?
Convince myself...
It's my life
Don't you forget
It's my life
It never ends
I've asked myself
How much do you commit yourself?
It's my life
Don't you forget
Caught in the crowd
It never ends
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 21:01:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Or was our Boys' Night the night we saw The Wall? Right, I was with the Spousal Unit for DSOTM, hmmm, everthing sorta runs together after a while...W1P - do you have a better recollection?
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 20:46:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You are correct sir, the night Alan Parsons manned the board at the Canyon Club for W1P was so special. There he was, the guy who engineered the Beatles' Abbey Road and Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon came down from his home in Santa Barbara, asking only that a car be sent for him for his efforts was proof positive that he was genuinely happy to be there for the W1P crew. He hung around backstage telling stories of the Dark Side Tour and all the fun hijinx. Special night I shared with Peter Q and my dear mate Tony Egan, it's pressed in my book of memories.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:47:16 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
W1P and Raj are right re: trib bands.
D and W themselves are songwriters first. They admire a lot of songwriters whose music ended up getting played by other people. And then those tunes were covered and covered and covered again.
DF's voice is a hard thing to copy, best not attempted. Other singers though bring a different spirit to the songs and still have it work. It's not SD but it doesn't matter because the heart of the music is the same....and D and W are all about interpretation.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:42:24 ET
Posted by: Fife, duh!!!
Sorry SteelyDoc!!! Damn Hockey game!
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:32:48 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Whew!! I suspected that it was a broker, weird thing was yesterday that's where SD.com sent you. Today of course it was ticketmaster.
Thanks for the info.
Phillydoc I know Bob Weir is cute but not that cute!!
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:25:09 ET
Posted by: W1P, Tribute Mania
Obviously you "can" compare a tribute band to the original. Your comparison may result in the conclusion that the original is better but it is a comparison nonetheless. Because of my work with W1P, I get involved in the discussion of tribute bands and comparisons to the original on a fairly frequent basis. To my way of thinking, when Jimmy Page blesses Led Zepagain after seeing them at the House of Blues, when Peter Gabriel takes his kids to see The Musical Box so they can "see what Daddy use to do", when David Gilmour books the Australian Pink Floyd Show to play his 50th birthday party, when Alan Parsons volunteers to mix W1P playing "The Dark Side of the Moon" and when Walt and Don allow a plug for The Steely Damned on the Plush DVD, that says all you really need to know about tribute bands. It's a given that they're "not as good as the original." But so what? In the case of Floyd or The Dan, if a band is 70% "as good" as the original, that makes them better than 99% of everything else out there. It's certainly no sin to not be "as good" as Steely Dan or the whole world is sinners. Add to this mix that many of these tribute bands are populated by excellent musicians who do this out of love for the original music and charge a literal fraction of what the originals, if they are touring at all, charge and what you end up with is entertainment that is a bargain at twice the price.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:22:54 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
About the tour date predictions "discussion" yesterday afternoon through overnight, not to mention the spam.
I should reply to all that and will. But man, after I came back from some work meetings around 5:30 pm to all that, all I could think was, "Man, some are really trying to make something joyful really complicated and hurt."
Will consider some more.
Mean time, fly low and be cool.
jim
AND....
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ED!
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 19:19:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was mailed earalier today, this time covering from February 21-28, 2007.
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The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
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• Goosebumps
• Goosebumps Part 2
• REDUX: Stay in touch with Official Steely Dan News
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Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 18:18:19 ET
Posted by: In the, TM line
Face value of Beacon tix at TicketMaster are $54-154
they don't call 'em "Broke-ers" for nothing
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 18:15:59 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...apparently, those tickets for the Beacon are sold through Ticketsnow.com which accounts for the inflated prices...
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 17:53:15 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Fife, did you check out the prices for Bob Weir at the Beacon next week? OVER $1000 for 2nd row!!!
http://www.newyorkcitytheatre.com/theaters/beacontheater/tickets.php?pid=449417&edate=Mar-8%207%20PM
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 17:47:59 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I was surfing and came up with this:
http://www.newyorkcitytheatre.com/theaters/beacontheater/tickets.php?pid=470372&edate=May-22%208%20PM
$370-$315 bucks!!!! Does that include dinner and a limo ride with Don and Walt? It has me rethinking about NYC.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 17:41:59 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...a May 11 date at Chastain Park in Atlanta has been added at SD.com
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 16:45:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Steely Dan itself is a Tribute band, or as you term it with all its pejorative connotations in tow, a Cover band. Need I remind you that the only guys who've recorded what's on their setlist lately are D & W? So I do compare them with Steely Dan, constantly. I compare everybody to everybody. Human nature. There are a few players in Pretzel Logic who could step into a Steely Dan show tonight. No, they are not as uniformly proficient as the current Steely Dan assemblage. What they do have is a very nice energy and a visceral involvement when they play that puts into focus how laid back, perhaps too laid back, the current Steely Dan is. Ever listen closely to Alive in America? Outside a few momments here and there, this sweetened live record is a stinker. It's taken Don and Walt all this time to gather this super-slick and professional Steely Dan and they've recorded two albums which are evry bit as creative and expertly executed as the first seven records. The fact that they choose to be a Tribute band every night they come on and do not play from 2vN and EMG is no small indictment. They're caught between still being a record-making ensemble and a Casino Juke-Box. I'm sure it's hard for them to step out on the stage every night knowing what they must play to make a buck. They work for a living, like all of us, and compromises and concessions are a reality of bringin home the paycheck.
But make no mistake about a Tribute band like Pretzel Logic. These guys are union musicians in a town full of great musicians doing a couple dozen gigs a year for love, it's certainly not their job and they certainly don't do it for the money. Donald and Walter's motivations are on the more practical side.
BTW, W1P at this point are superior to Pink Floyd, an entity which for all intents and purposes does not exist. My feeling is that in no way that the Pink Floyd catalogue is as difficult to render live as Steely Dan's. But what Pink does is still the tops.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 16:44:00 ET
Posted by: NoNamer, FF
Raj,
PL's audience is probably 90% hardcore fans. SD's, I'm guessing 15%.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 16:13:15 ET
Posted by: don;t ever compare, a cover band no matter
to SD
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 14:45:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah ,
Pretzel Logic's setlist puts Steely Dan's to shame frankly. Two mega sets including things like Kings, Fire in the Hole, YGT I & II, Gaucho, Dr. Wu, Sign in Stranger, The Fez.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 14:15:38 ET
Posted by: Doing Raj's Job, Agoura Hills, CA
No Steely Dan on the West Coast? What about Pretzel Logic at the Canyon Club on March 30th?
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 12:37:21 ET
Posted by: Q1043, NYC
STEELY DAN AT THE BEACON Q104.3 TICKET GIVEAWAY & PRESALE
http://www.q1043.com/pages/weekend.html
Q104.3 New York’s only classic rock station presents Steely Dan at the Beacon Theater on May 21st and 22nd. Click on the link for info on how to get free tickets and a link to our exclusive pre-sale.
Keep listening to Q104.3!
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 12:04:29 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
KD – You were probably thinking of Dave DiMartino’s blog on Yahoo 360. You’re right there was some fascinating items on the blog. I remember reading it for hours last year. Here’s a link to one of the pages:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-SDSWyN41erCbQ5NZk26gOTPpZo_Tig--?t=a&l=121&u=125&mx=138&lmt=5
Kalvin and LWO – I have an open door policy when Steely Dan is in town. However, you’re both welcome anytime!
Looking forward to a great spring and summer of music! New Ken Andrews CD and a rare appearance in Boston on March 24. New Fountains of Wayne CD and a show at The Paradise on April 22. Hopefully a new Walter Becker CD to go along with the SD summer tour.
Mark in Boston
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 12:04:07 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
yo FEZMAN:
thought you might like to see this great item on ebay:
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Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 11:38:39 ET
Posted by: Bert Parks, there she is
Remember, the Miss Thang reign only lasts one year, should any compromising photos or risque home videos crop up during your reign, your reign will be extended another year.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 10:23:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
A belated Happy Birthday to Big Ed
I was bummed to read Rajah's post about no SD on the West Coast this summer. Iknow I know it isn't etched in stone yet
Truth2 going to pricklyanonymous would mean he has to leave the house
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 09:12:04 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Raj,
It warms my heart to know that as I sit here in my cubicle in
the semi-Dilbertesque environment in which I work, that I am
Miss Thang in cyberspace. The irony has made my morning.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 08:54:37 ET
Posted by: Newark, Eastern Europe
There is a recent post here that I put into my Bable translator and thought I should post here, for translation purposes:
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 23:46:17 ET
Posted by: Willard, behind the baseboard
[TRANSLATED]
I RESPECT the notion that SD may be going ON AN overseas tour and am very happy for their success.
CONSIDER that they WILL SELL OUT these EAST-COAST small venues before embarking on a working vacation, taking junket rides, visiting ancient castle strongholds, supporting starving artists, cohorting and partying with other world-class artists, celebrating LIFE and art at summer festivals, and researching small-animal care practices by visiting Euro veterinary offices.
SD now seems to be hungry for spiritual recentering and gesundheit, (and German and Flemish biers and wursts). They appetite is turning toward finer dining, tiring of the same ole American pizza and driving by corporate gorgeries.
Rather the artists SD are going to take advantage of the great financial opportunities awaiting them and should enjoy courteous, respectful adulations from places afar. You cannot put a price sticker on that. Fans will be splitting the gate open to see and hear Steely Dan. And in the fresh air at twilight at the top of vineyard-covered valley, with a big colorful wheel slowly turning slowly with joyous riders staring up at the star, SD will perform the ultimate clandestine feat: splitting open the head and vicerating the likes of NYB (t.a. the Medusa poster), and burying the proceeds under a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. The Steely strategy right now appears to accomplish this world service as poor people sleep with the shade on the light. Of course, the formulaic diversion/dirty work approach will gain notoriety, especially for veteran musicians who must feel they must annihilate parasitic crusty officious blabbermouths--for arts sake.
Williards ugly writing is not good for a morning read, and want one last attention grab. He says, "I say NO to overseas action because I don't want to lose my ass, which should happen momentarily." The converse all-all star sneakers are packed and SD should visit several country capitals. Perhaps they will be refreshed and inspired to move to Europe to record and play yet another decade of fine music.
Newark
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 04:09:45 ET
Posted by: KD, Ooh, La La
hey gang,
last spring, a link appeared to an unfinished Dan bio put together by a semi-famous rock critic who was hosting said bio on his Yahoo blog. I can't find the damn thing. I thought I had it saved to the comp, or at least a bookmark, and I can't find either.
Anyone have a clue as to where to find this bit of (brilliant) work? Why am I drawing a blank as to his name?
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 00:41:01 ET
Posted by: Roseland Rules, !
Beacon Rules- I couldn't disagree more. I've seen Steely Dan all over the U.S. and in Europe. No venue, no crowd beats a SD show at Roseland. In the past, I've seen The New York Rock & Soul Revue and The Fagen Band at the Beacon. I saw about four SD shows at Roseland. For a SD show, nothing beats Roseland. Nothing!
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 00:25:01 ET
Posted by: Fidel,
Kevin Eubanks and the Tonight Show band played Cubano Chant during the 12:15 commercial break last night.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 00:21:40 ET
Posted by: Puffy Mc G-Spot,
Word. Glip glap, glork.
Date: Wed, February 28, 2007, 00:12:33 ET
Posted by: Beacon Rules,
The Beacon is one of the finest music venues in the country. Roseland blows by comparison.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 23:46:17 ET
Posted by: Willard, behind the baseboard
I would seriously question the notion that SD is going on any overseas tour by taking into consideration that they are playing these small venues here which they do sell out and could possibly sell out some outdoor larger venues around the big US cities in the summer. SD now seems to be money hungry and are employing this scheme of appearing at any venue that they can sell out as well as their strong holds in NY/New England etc. while investing as little as possible artistically or financially at this point. It is like the local pizza joint at closing time selling off the last 3 slices of pie at closing time, keeping one oven on to reheat them while the main ovens have been shut off for over an hour.
Normally I would not question an authority such as Rajah on this one, but the only way I see SD going through the expense of an overseas junket would be that they want to vacation in such places and are willing to take the financial losses they will certainly incur by going there just to be there. It would be very counter to what their modus operandi has been for the past year or so. They would not be a big enough draw on their own and if they appear at any European music festivals they will be splitting the gate proceeds with ten or fifteen other bands on the bill. And splitting the proceeds is not very Steely at this point since there was probably was some vitriol over having to split things with Mike McDonald in 2006. The Steely strategy right now appears to be go small, sell out, keep ALL the money. And of course, to use the proven formulaic set list.
Euro music festivals are good for starving artists to gain notoriety or for veteran musicians who still wish to appear for arts sake.
They are not good for a band, such as SD in its twilight evidently going for one last money grab. So, I say NO overseas action in the cards for SD, hedging that statement that is if they want to go vacation and lose their ass monetarily.
The converse of this is that they are raising the capital for a 10th Steely LP and will tour again in 2008 or 09 and songs from that LP will form maybe 1/3 of a new and and varied set list.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 23:18:17 ET
Posted by: Ronco,
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 22:20:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah, oh shit
Our Lady B, our Suedave, our Angel and our Dearest Fife ain't weak Steely Sistras neither...alomg with many other of the fairer sex whom we count among our numbers.
It's a man's world, but it wouldn't mean nothin'-nothin' without a woman or girl.
Here's looking at you, sweethearts.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 22:12:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Darling Denise, our new Miss Thang for 2007, my compliments to you and your dear spouse, you following in the great path of our Margaret, our Gretchen, our Gail. No, my sensors tell me we will be not be seeing Steely Dan again on the West coast in 2007.
It was great, however, to hear Walter say at the close of the Friant show that, "Oh, I get it, you are the folks that come out in the middle of nowhere in January to see us, you are the Wonderful Ones, aren't you?" Donald and Walter got a standing "O" when they mounted the stage at Table Mountain, the most faithful LA, central coast and SF folks in attendance. He got that right and right back at you Wally, thanks again.
Denise, I am gratified by your greeting and I nuzzle you warmly, dear lady.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 21:54:09 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
BTW, Rajah, I always enjoy your posts...you write with such humor and panache, that I always find myself smiling when I read them. (Neener? is that a technical term? Ha!)
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 21:50:57 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Ed,
Happy birthday! Sorry this is so late, hope you are out enjoying yourself. Maybe we'll meet again at one of the east coast shows.
LWO, are you coming out east? If you going to NYC, let me know.
Denise
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 21:05:58 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Mr. Rajah,
Do you think we will have anymore shows out here this year?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 20:32:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Fair enough, with one slight difference, I try not to insult people. I find it startling how self-deprecating humor can be construed in the manner you intimate. But I've long since ceased concerning myself with being misconstrued on Blue. Not worth the effort. Take me as I am or not.
You see my email address; funny, I...I don't see yours. Shall I just forward my missives to pricklyanonymous.com?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 20:18:11 ET
Posted by: Linda, Niagara Falls
I've been to the Events Center at the Seneca Niagara Casino. The seating is not elevated. It's a vast sea of impeccably lined up banquet chairs -- I'd guess it holds about 2,000 people. I had a last row seat to see Sinbad last year and never ever laid eyes on the man. But he was funny from what I could hear.
There's a smaller venue at that casino called the Bear's Den which has awesome seating, but it only holds about 500.
And at the casino on the Canadian side (Fallsview), there's a venue called the Avalon Ballroom. Another awesome place to see a show.
So you want to get good seats as soon as they go on sale. And sometimes good seats drop in Ticketbastard a day or two before the show. Not always, but sometimes.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 20:12:15 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Vandalia
You say it's your birthday...we're gonna have a good time...
It looks like birthday greetings are in order for the one and only Fast Eddy. I hope to see you soon at a few of the upcoming shows.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 20:11:12 ET
Posted by: truth2, not as tone deaf as some
Thats a hoot raj because it was only my extreme annoyance at YOUR tone over the last several months that lured me out of my cubicle to post. Sorry you don't dig my style. lata playa
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 20:06:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Truth 2 - no one is arguing with the logic of what you say but rather the way you're saying it. Check the posts, the Turbaned One does not prevaricate. Then check yourself, my friend, I take umbrage only to your tone. Perhaps some remedial sensitivity training might be in order.
Truth springs from argument amongst friends.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 19:49:45 ET
Posted by: Orchids and Summer Rain,
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 19:40:11 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
ATTENTION ALL SOOTHSAYERS!
WILL WE GET ANYMORE SHOWS OUT WEST THIS SUMMER?
ALL "BOOKING ASSISTANTS", "RUMOR MONGERS" AND "KNOW-IT-ALLS" WELCOME TO REPLY.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 19:19:41 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @one year older maybe wiser
Hi
thanks to all who commented for the nice acknowledgements of my passing in time
and rajah pal
for you
anytime......
Karen lady b your e-mail bounced when I replied
ed (chumash coma) B
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:50:09 ET
Posted by: truth 2, oh brother
Pops, I am telling you something others posting here apparently don't know, and I don't have to tell you who I am (or give you setlists) to say so.
Take it or not, I don't care.
To repeat the obvious point., just because band and crew have been asked if they're free for a possible europe tour in the summer doesn't mean it is even feasible. Checking with band/crew is the first thing done, not the eleventh or the twentieth or the 100th. Contrary to everyone's assumption, the band and crew 6 months away from possible dates is not a particularly good source of "inside" information. But people with the "ooohhh the band and crew!" mindset just can't understand that. It's a simple point, I don't understand why so many fight against it instead of accept this for the common sense that it is
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:42:41 ET
Posted by: Beacon Blues,
The Beacon is a decent concert theater, but there is no comparison to Roseland. Isn't it ironic that Steely Dan is now playing 2000-3000 capacity venues, but they are NOT playing Roseland? What a SHAME!!
Roseland would be worth making a trip for, the Beacon is going to be like any other show at a theater. The only thing special about it is that it is in NYC.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:34:43 ET
Posted by: Pops, Liverpool
So Truth Times 2, you are saying that your "real 'inside' information" is more "real" or "inside" than the people who were told by "someone with the band"? You must be that assistant to the assistant. I seriously doubt that people that work for the band, record company, booking agency, or anyone else involved in the tour planning are going to post what they know to the bluebook. I would bet they don't even know what the bluebook is!
I guess if you "don't get NO respect!", it's because you are not telling us anything. You are implying that you have inside information, but you fail to say what it is. All you have said is that rumoured dates may not happen... duh! Isn't that what a rumour is and what "The Truth" said? Even the SD Newsletter said more dates would be added. So, are they playing Europe or not?
Who cares if rumours are leaked about "possible" dates or a European tour, as long as the rumours came from a credible source, i.e. "someone with the band". If it pans out, great! If it doesn't, well, it was just a rumour, right?
And if you DO have "real 'inside' information", maybe you can tell us whether they are going to mix up the setlist this tour. Perhaps the reason they have to play casino halls now is that people have caught on to the same setlist every tour.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:19:33 ET
Posted by: Frat House Queen,
You're right on the $400 a night place! Who wants to be my BFF?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:10:38 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, New guy
Has anyone taken a look at the New York casino venues?
The Seneca show does not have elevated seating. I'd think that could be a major bummer if you have a seat toward the rear of the hall.
As far as I can tell, the Turning Point Casino does not sell alcohol and the only rooms available for the night of the show are fetching $400 or so.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 18:06:59 ET
Posted by: Puffy Mc G-Spot,
The Beacon is an old legit Off-Broadway house with seats, a balcony and a mezzanene. Maybe 3000 capacity. An art-deco gem built in the 20s. Chitlin Circuit shows still stop there.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 17:42:12 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, WASAM
So, how does the Beacon compare to Roseland? Sounds tempting, but a long weekend (maybe in BR's hometown) might be a nice change of pace.
Developing?
Cheri, joyeux anniversaire. Champagne, n'importe qui?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 17:38:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Happy Birthday, big guy, remind me to always have you around before I feel like taking a chunk out of a Hotel Dick.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 17:13:59 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Happy Birthday Ed!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 17:10:46 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Count myself and Mr.Sam in for NYC, WhooHoo!!
A Steely Dan moment this morning on CBS. The playing of Hey 19 during a segment about a couple of ol gals that have been friends for 60 years. The Hey 19 reference was about a SD Padre Hall of Famer that one of the ol gals loved, great stuff.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 16:59:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, you can't handle the truth
What a confounded bore.
"I can feel a storm brewing over nothing
We were having fun
There's no harm done there
You need attention
I can see you're sulking
It's about time that you learn to share
Lighten up
It's gonna brighten up
I want to play
You're in the way of our sunshine
Lighten up
It's gonna brighten up
Just let it go
And I will throw you a lifeline"
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 16:47:33 ET
Posted by: The Truth times 2, you bet
That's right, Truth.
And who here knows that since that comment, about seven sd 2007 schedules have been made up and sent around and floated and priced out, a different route here, a different set of guarantees there, and each one, so far, falling short of what is needed to make it a complete go?
Do you not understand that every tour starts with an idea, but not every idea will end in a tour?
How many times do some of you need to hear this: exploring an option doesn't mean it will happen.
And being around when someone tells you about the latest idea on the etch-a-sketch, and then getting all excited like you actually have some "contacts", doesn't make you an insider. It makes you a sad groupie who should be smarter than that for your age.
I am also always amused at how many people seem to think that only the same 5 or 10 or 15 people have real 'inside' information. Do you know how many people work at how many places that work on this every day and know all about real information?? Do you know each of those people have 1 or 2 assistants? Widen your world and imagine, dudes. We don't get NO respect!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 16:29:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah, now you're under control and so you do what they told you
Al, Rage's energy is undeniable, they can whip up a crowd of kids like all get out. They're tribal, it was great to see young people that excited about ANYTHING. Tom Morello and Zach are strong and unapologetic performers.
"The movie ran through me
The glamour subdue me
The tabloid untie me
I'm empty please fill me
Mister anchor assure me
That Baghdad is burning
Your voice it is so soothing
That cunning mantra of killing
I need you my witness
To dress this up bloodless
To numb me and purge me now
Of thoughts of blaming you"
Remind you of this band any?
"Do you think the time is right for a palace revolution
Where I live the game to play is compromise solution
Well then what can a poor boy
'Cept for sing for a rock 'n' roll band
'Cause in this sleepy L.A. town
There's just no place for a street fighting man"
Me, I like Carlos Jobim, but ther's no denying Rage rocks.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 16:09:05 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
The Truth is it was nothing psychic. Instead, about eight or so fans including Rajah were told the same thing at the end of the Chumash show. Someone with the band told us there will likely be U.S. dates in May and European dates in July. The July dates would allow Steely Dan to place their shorter show format as part of the various European jazz festivals.
Anything can happen but that is what a few fans were told.
Happy birthday Ed.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 15:58:32 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Uuurrgh, yuk and blaahh! Rage against the machine!?
They’re your typical left wing agenda pushing adolescent jabber set to mindless marching muzak! [Insert bilabial fricative here]
On a less hostile note, the Dan doing Europe would be, IMO, a stretch of wishful thought.
Seeing that they’re only doing limited and small venues here on home soil, I’d be very surprised to hear them lug their ambitions across the pond.
As in the early days, I don’t think that they‘re in love with touring, I just think that they hate it a little less.
But, if they decide to go, I’m sure that they would do well….
In fact, they could prolly fill Giuseppe Meazza in Milan, the Olympic stadium in Rome or the Baudouin Stadium in Brussels fairly easily.
And of course if they happen to be in A’dam they should stop into Dekampring, the owner is a big Dan fan!
dank
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 15:56:47 ET
Posted by: alan, Shellharbour AU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ED BEATTY!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 15:27:10 ET
Posted by: Some People I Know, Think That I 'am Crazy
Rocker Billy Thorpe dies of heart attack.
One of Australia's best-known rock musicians, Billy Thorpe, has died at the age of 60.
The singer suffered a massive heart attack at his home in Sydney's eastern suburbs, early this morning.
He was rushed to St Vincent's Hospital but died at 2:30am AEDT, with family members by his side.
The singer worked for a series of bands in Sydney after emigrating from England, including in a support act for Johnny O'Keefe.
He became a household name later in the 1960s and into the 1970s with his band, Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs.
Why were you listening to Laura? Just passing through?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 14:40:04 ET
Posted by: twm, manhattan
while station surfing heard "any major dude" used as bumper music on "the Laura Ingrahm Show" which, while it didn't make up for the lame subject matter the right wing host wants to shove down your throat, it made it better.
Other than Bill O'Reilly with "My Old School" as a regular bumper anyone else have any other coincidental SD sonic "sightings"?
Also, I have heard regular advertisement for the Mohegan Sun show which is very unusual, in the past there had been almost no promotion for upcoming SD shows, is it the same elsewhere?
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 14:32:07 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, long time gone
Charlie, Sniff' N the Tears, Flash in the Pan.....OMG all favorites from late 70's pop! Those bands you forget about but sound sooo good once you remember them again!! Charlie had a couple of memorable ones with "Turning to You" and "Watching TV." Flash in the Pan also had a very sinister hit called "Walking in the Rain," (you remember... "walking down the street....kicking cans." Also brings to mind obscurities like The Dirty Angles and Jasper Wrath.
Girl M - I remember once "Pushin too Hard" was performed by the seeds on a short lived sitcom named "The Mothers In Law" with the now dead ex-Gidget Deborah Walley, Eve Arden, and Kaye Ballard. Thats what that song, oddly, reminds me of. And Gary Wright "Love is Alive" has one of the greatest intros and outtros in 70's rock music, period.
OK, so what is the theme for the NYC shows at the Beacon? Remember last March's party? What a great time....only this year it won't be below zero. Drive into Springtime? Anyone?
G
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 14:18:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Just rumors that were floating a few months ago. This is the venue in Milan rumored in some blurb late last summer, this is the rock/jazz/pop house over there:
http://www.teatrosmeraldo.it/istituzionale/teatro_piantateatro.aspx
It's nothing more than conjecture at this point, DB.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 14:11:52 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Rajah!
Steely Dan in Europe in the late summer, early fall? It makes really sense.
In july there are some very big Jazz festivals in Switzerland (Montreux),Holland (North Sea),Italy and Spain.
Traditionally our boys always are touring through the European cities in september. Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris ...etc.
And you're right! The idea going to see them in Milan and the famous Paris venue "L'Olympia", gives great perspectives.
So who knows!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 13:24:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Chris, couldn't agree more about Radiohead. The Bends and OK Computer were very special. Then they forsook their guitars. I suppose they too will run their course soon enough, every band seems to absent a long break, say, twenty years. Very happy to see Rage Against the Machine back, they're not exactly my cup of tea but I had to admit when I saw them years ago up at Lake Hughes of all places on the Grapevine, they rocked the park and whipped that crowd into a frenzy. That band has teeth and stands for something, that's what a rock band should do.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 13:09:49 ET
Posted by: Ron Popiel,
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
HEAD ON applied directly to the forehead!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:59:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's more of a slow simmer. You should be so yar, my friend.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:56:51 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Coldplay is lyrically terrible, and musically mediocre, but with the right producer they could make a truly great album. There were signs of brilliance sprinkled here and there on their first two, but the latest was real bad, especially lyrically.
Oasis is a joke and pretty much only exists so their frontman can go around badmouthing every band that's more popular than they are, including the Beatles.
U2 is pretty irrelevent these days and the whole world is pretty sick of Bono.
Radiohead really doesn't deserve to be lumped into the same category as any of those bands. They've made some really interesting music and deserve a few listens before anyone writes them off. It is true that the music can be depressing, but so can everything else in the world, so I don't see why music should be any different.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:40:37 ET
Posted by: Hey Bar Keep, Last call...
Rajah - "Your life is boiling over".
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:32:08 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Two Beacon shows…hoo-hoo….can’t wait.
It’s gonna be a busy may.
I can’t agree more about the popular gloom n doom bands like Coldplay, Oasis, Radiohead, Death cab and let’s not forget the symbol-head for all of these type bands, U2.
Crap.
Also, I agree w/Raj about KL being the piano record although I think CTE is more
so and if you wanna take it another category, PL is their acoustic album.
KL is more than just the piano record though; it’s the most important record they’ve done. Period.
They became Steely dan with this record rather than The Becker/Fagen group.
Sure they morphed a couple of times to a smoother albeit funkier version of what they began as but, the essential Dan reared its head with KL.
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:18:14 ET
Posted by: LadyBayside, CT
So, so excited that they just announced Beacon shows..SueDave, we chose wisely! (assuming you are staying into the next week!)
Danfest prep must begin!
LadyB
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 12:09:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, buffing up the Mystical Sphere
I'm sitting in the lotus position on my prayer rug, baubles, bangles and beads in place. Control-top skivvies wrapped tight.
Ok here goes.....hmmmmmm.....hhmmmmmmmm.....omnia rigue-queu.....jai guru deva...hamina, hamina...twinkies, ring-dings and ho-hos..........
I'm getting nothing for July...wait....wait...no, no that's the REO Speedwagon Reunion Tour, no, Supertramp with the guy from Air Supply up front, man that's ugly, come in Mr Steely Dan, com in Antoine, come in anybody........nothing.....
More dates in May, long break, tour of the UK, some German dates end of August into September. Did someone say Japan? The sphere is clouding up now, I've lost my transmission, sorry.
[Rajah collapses, beads go flying, Sphere rolls under couch]
I fell down go boom, need to rest....rest...
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 10:01:38 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah
Predictions (cities)for July H.R.Tour
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 08:37:30 ET
Posted by: heymike, reinstalling my 8 track
heymike, all you're missing is:
this beat goes on/switching to glide - the kings
classic early 80s....
mikem
--->>lbi, nj
Posted by: heymike, chicago
Heres a few downloads of late..
Hey St Peter-Flash in the Pan
Drivers Seat-Sniff n the Tears
YES!! Im on that!
Date: Tues, February 27, 2007, 06:02:33 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
In this morning's radio prep package:
STEELY DAN ANOUNCES NEXT SET OF TOUR DATES
Steely Dan has just announced a new set of dates on their Heavy Rollers tour, which run from May 6th in New Orleans -- as part of Jazz Fest -- to June 2nd in Niagara Falls, New York. Twelve shows are on the itinerary, and more will be added in the days and weeks ahead. Leaders Walter Becker and Donald Fagen are continuing the casino theme of the tour with their backing musicians, who are working under the name the Winning Hand Band.
* Becker and Fagen told LAUNCH they never expected to still be making music together: [(Becker) "Maybe not 25 years ago. I think, you know, it's sort of remarkable to us that our career is still going, and people are still entertained and interested in what we do." (Fagen) "I saw us as working together, but maybe like pinboys, you know, or something like that, you know?" (Becker) "Or pinheads."] SOUNDCUE (:11 OC: . . . Or pinheads.)
* The Steely Dan itinerary (subject to change):
May 6 - New Orleans, LA - Jazz Fest
May 8 - Hollywood, FL - Seminole Hard Rock Live
May 9 - Fort Myers, FL - Barbara B. Mann Performing Arts Hall
May 12 - Orlando, FL - Hard Rock Cafe / Hard Rock Live
May 14 - Clearwater, FL - Ruth Eckerd Hall
May 17 - Uncasville, CT - Mohegan Sun
May 18 - Wallingford, CT - Chevrolet Theatre
May 21, 22 - New York, NY - Beacon Theatre
May 24 - Upper Darby, PA - Tower Theatre
June 1 - Verona, NY - Turning Stone Casino
June 2 - Niagara Falls, NY - Seneca Niagara Casino
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 23:43:34 ET
Posted by: mikemLBI, lbi, nj
heymike, all you're missing is:
this beat goes on/switching to glide - the kings
classic early 80s....
mikem
--->>lbi, nj
Posted by: heymike, chicago
Heres a few downloads of late..
Hey St Peter-Flash in the Pan
Drivers Seat-Sniff n the Tears
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 22:57:00 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Radio Dupree blog reports that Walter's space has dropped the "official" from the URL...
http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/walterbecker
Still says it's official next to the pic, though. No changes otherwise as far as I can tell. Still not accepting friend requests.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 17:36:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I can see for miles
My rumors predate those rumors. My rumors are older. Neener.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 17:34:29 ET
Posted by: Monsegnieur Puffy Mc G-Spot, Rectory
Yes, Your Grace, our spies have confirmed it. Shall I lay out Your Grace's red cassock for our wait in line at Ticketmaster?
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 17:32:54 ET
Posted by: I (already) Got The News , All over
Rajah, the swirling rumors of European dates for July been noted in the Danfan Digest for at least a couple of weeks now. You're not saying anything new, except your wistfulness for certain cities. Good travel desitinations though.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 17:07:56 ET
Posted by: Fulton J. Sheen,
Overseas tour?
Looking forward to "Steely Dan in Teheran". Talk about a wingding!
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 16:30:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The Jam is no Jam w/o Weller. If Steely Dan, Cream and the Police can come back, anybody can come back. Where else can they make this kind of dough? Selling records??? Hahahahahahahah!
The rumors I have heard around campus for the last several months are that Steely Dan is indeed crossing the Pond in late summer, early fall. And allow me to say with no false modesty, the Turbaned-One has been dead bang on the money with his scurrilous, unsubstantiated and borderline clairvoyant predictions based on innuendos, omissions and keen powers of deduction. That Bozo who keeps telling me I'm always wrong notwithstanding.
I'm hoping for Paris and Milan.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 16:29:52 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, if you want that sugar to pour...
Totally fed up with Coldplay's schtick. Music to commit suicide to. If anybody ever need ZZ Tp's rythmn section it's those guys. Limp.
Feel the same way about Dave Matthews--those guys wore out their welcome a long time ago.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 15:10:47 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
...for the record guys, it was Damon Albarn from Blur who was the brains behind the Gorillaz...but he's now put a new band together,the four piece, The Good, The Bad and The Queen, with ex Clash man Paul Simonon on bass. Their album, the Kingdom of Doom, came out about 2-3 weeks. They play a handful of U.S. dates in early March. Not sure how long this project is suppost to last though as he's signed up to do another Blur album next year with all the original band members getting back together. And speaking of original band members, those of a certain age may be interested to know that 2 of the 3 original members of the Jam, but unfortunately not Paul Weller, are getting back together for a UK tour in a few months. No news on the frontman, but surely, no Weller, no Jam ? With the Heavy Roller tour slowly unfolding, any news, official or made up, on whether for those of us on this side of the water as to whether Boston will once again be our local home town gig ? (Got that reservations book handy Mark ?)
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 14:26:01 ET
Posted by: SpammyDBull, wheel turnin' round and round!
Can't fill the seats? Or to be more exact, can't fill the seats WHERE? If they play Jones Beach Amphitheater they fill the seats without too much advertising because NYC metro area is huge and Jones Beach is a well known venue. The same goes for any of the NYC venues. I would think that smaller markets would require more advertising to fill the seats.
Part of it has to do with the predictability of an SD show too. They rarely pull out all the stops, and their setlist is fairly predictable. This tends to discourage repeats concertgoers. The intensity level is another factor of course, which is a tad reserved, which has to do with SD's aversion to the more upbeat songs in their early repertior. They won't do Barrytown. They won't do "Only A Fool Would Say That". They won't do "Kings". They won't do "Change Of The Guard". They won't do any of those songs and it's killing 'em!
One thing they don't seem to realize is that a live show isn't the studio. In the studio you can do what you want. In a live setting you've got to ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. If the people want to hear your earlier work in a live setting YOU DO IT! You don't act like a primadonna and so "No, I don't feel like it". You do what you have to do to entertain the crowd. After all these years they still don't seem to get that. They don't understand that if you want to sell the next show you've got to get people talking about the show you're doing right now. When you do the same songs night after night you're not doing that. They need to do the songs I mentioned above (and more) mix it up from night to night. You've got to keep the crowd guessing. They can't know what's coming next. People go to show a because they want to be excited, and they want to see something they haven't seen before, they don't want to see the same show they saw 3 years ago, and if they do they're sure not to come back for another show in the future. If I was advising Fagen and Becker (and I guess I am with this post) I'd tell them to start doing their earlier less-played songs and to throw a few suprise cover songs into each show. Could you imagine them doing "Come Back Baby" in a live setting? Or maybe a couple of cover songs from Bob Dylan or Curtis Mayfield or whatever? This would get people talking. This would bring back a few of those people who've seen a show or two and think they've seen all there is to see. The live show is a fluid thing. It changes depending on how you feel. It's not supposed to be the same thing all the time. People don't want to see that. They want to commune with the performer. They want to see they real you, not a plastic wind-up version of you. Not a vegas stage show. Understand? Once you do you'll fill those seats again, and you'll have a better time doing it too.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 14:08:41 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/ma
Steely Dan covering Bob Dylan? Puh-leaze.
I have no problem with the band playing theaters and pavillions instead of sheds and can't see why anyone else would either. As long as the ticker prices are reasonable, I say the smaller the venue the better.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 13:59:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Totally fed up with Coldplay's schtick. Music to commit suicide to. If anybody ever need ZZ Tp's rythmn section it's those guys. Limp.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 13:46:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Raj – No band has been bigger on the World stage than Coldplay in the last 5 years. They haven’t faded, they’re recharging their batteries now while Chris Martin has a couple of babies with Gwyneth Paltrow. Man, she looked stunning last night at the Oscars.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 13:35:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, that's the Blur frontman.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 13:21:43 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I found this while surfing:
AOL Box Office
Steely Dan 06/02/07 The Gem Theater
Kansas City, MO
Must of been considering it but decided on NF instead.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 13:06:04 ET
Posted by: W1P, Dew Drop Inn
Isn't one of the dudes from Blur behind The Gorillaz? Who thinks that Melissa should have won the Oscar over the Dreamgirls tunes?
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 12:46:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I know Hitchcock, nice parallel. I had the first Decemberists record and it was very folksy, like early Appalacian bluegrass or Irish influenced stuff, whiny vocals, I thought, "feh." But the second one is more focused and at least attempt to rock a bit. There's so little good new rock out there, I like the Shins, I like Muse with that "Telstar" sounding single out there but I've like lots of new bands over the last 15 years since Grunge and Alternative (what does that mean anyway) infused some new life into that scene anyway but the attraction seems to fade after a couple records, nobody really takes a quantum leap forward and changes into a butterfly. They tend to keep crawling around in the larval form. Some band I've liked over the years that faded:
School of Fish
Gin Blossoms
Faith No More
Wheezer
Spin Doctors
My Bloody Valentine
311
Train
Blur
Even those with striking debuts like Oasis, Nine Inch Nails, the very cloying Coldplay, they all faded badly.
Rage and Radiohead I guess are still the most relevant but generally, the so called break through bands don't develop much.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 12:21:00 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Rajah – As a golfing buddy of mine is fond of saying, “We’re on the back nine of life!”.
Even though “The Departed” was Boston-based, I was pulling for “Little Miss Sunshine”. I think “The Departed” was one of Scorsese’s worst movies. The script was sooo flawed and those phony Boston accents. Blaaah. The movie couldn’t hold a candle to “Goodfellas”.
Speaking of Oscars, if “FM” was released last year, would Donald and Walter been nominated for Best Song? I say hell yeah!
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 12:00:48 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
The Decemberists are marginal at best Raj. Still don't know why
no one has called them on the carpet for copping everything from
Robyn Hitchcock. Do yourself a favor, buy a Robyn Hitchock CD
instead.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 11:46:08 ET
Posted by: W1POD, Lights Out Chicago
I just downloaded Strangers in the Night -- the criminally underrated live album from UFO
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 11:37:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Anybody a Decemberists fan? Portland band my kids turned me onto.
50 huh Mark? Man, we're piling up the years over here, that's why we need a constant flow of new blood, like Dracula. But hey, you know what they say, 50 is the new...ah screw it, chief, who's zoomin whom? 50 is 50, anyway you slice it. Middle age? Well, yeah if you live to be 100, otherwise, well, you do the math.
Now those Beacon shows have got to be two sets or there will be an hue and cry the likes of which we haven't witnessed since the last debacle at the Beacon otherwise known as Marthagate.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 11:13:19 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Snowy Downtown Beantown
Recent downloads:
Fountains of Wayne “Someone to Love” - another pop gem from my 2nd favorite band. New CD comes out April 3.
moe. “The Conch” – Thanks to St. Al over on the yellow for this tip. A great album. Kind of like Phish, The Dead and Steely Dan all rolled into one.
Hopefully the Boston shows will be confirmed soon. Two nights at the Beacon sounds great. Another intriguing show is the Saturday, June 2 show at Niagara Falls. I turn 50 the next day, so maybe I’ll go over the Falls in a barrel to celebrate!
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 10:41:49 ET
Posted by: Siggy,
Yah, vell, even though they haven't injested the drugs for long long times, obviouzy dey schtill feeling effex. Klinically schpeakink, dey are mashuggies, barely konnected mitt reality. Freak-o-rama, vhat can I tellen ya.
Horst! Zend in nexxt pazient!
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 10:41:44 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Can't fill the seats? Well apparently they'll be filling the seats at the Beacon Theater for two nights in May!!
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 10:38:28 ET
Posted by: Boomeranger, transmigration of validity
Can't fill the seats? Or to be more exact, can't fill the seats WHERE? If they play Jones Beach Amphitheater they fill the seats without too much advertising because NYC metro area is huge and Jones Beach is a well known venue. The same goes for any of the NYC venues. I would think that smaller markets would require more advertising to fill the seats.
Part of it has to do with the predictability of an SD show too. They rarely pull out all the stops, and their setlist is fairly predictable. This tends to discourage repeats concertgoers. The intensity level is another factor of course, which is a tad reserved, which has to do with SD's aversion to the more upbeat songs in their early repertior. They won't do Barrytown. They won't do "Only A Fool Would Say That". They won't do "Kings". They won't do "Change Of The Guard". They won't do any of those songs and it's killing 'em!
One thing they don't seem to realize is that a live show isn't the studio. In the studio you can do what you want. In a live setting you've got to ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. If the people want to hear your earlier work in a live setting YOU DO IT! You don't act like a primadonna and so "No, I don't feel like it". You do what you have to do to entertain the crowd. After all these years they still don't seem to get that. They don't understand that if you want to sell the next show you've got to get people talking about the show you're doing right now. When you do the same songs night after night you're not doing that. They need to do the songs I mentioned above (and more) mix it up from night to night. You've got to keep the crowd guessing. They can't know what's coming next. People go to show a because they want to be excited, and they want to see something they haven't seen before, they don't want to see the same show they saw 3 years ago, and if they do they're sure not to come back for another show in the future. If I was advising Fagen and Becker (and I guess I am with this post) I'd tell them to start doing their earlier less-played songs and to throw a few suprise cover songs into each show. Could you imagine them doing "Come Back Baby" in a live setting? Or maybe a couple of cover songs from Bob Dylan or Curtis Mayfield or whatever? This would get people talking. This would bring back a few of those people who've seen a show or two and think they've seen all there is to see. The live show is a fluid thing. It changes depending on how you feel. It's not supposed to be the same thing all the time. People don't want to see that. They want to commune with the performer. They want to see they real you, not a plastic wind-up version of you. Not a vegas stage show. Understand? Once you do you'll fill those seats again, and you'll have a better time doing it too.
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 10:21:41 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJ
The winning hand band.
Four Aces
JH
FW
JY
KC
Pair of 10's
CL
CM
Four of a kind
WW
ML
JP
RR
Two jokers
DF
WB
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 08:33:45 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
I only thought english was my primary language until I read the SD newsletter..WTF "Reality Check" Sigmund are you there?? Can you interpret
One thing for sure plenty of SD shows this summer
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 08:06:52 ET
Posted by: heymike, chicago
Heres a few downloads of late..
Hey St Peter-Flash in the Pan
Drivers Seat-Sniff n the Tears
She loves to be in Love-Charlie
In a Daydream-Freddy Jones Band
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 08:01:00 ET
Posted by: Bud Freeman,
Insomniac Asswipe Bill, up in the middle of the night, typing away....
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 07:52:30 ET
Posted by: Anima Mundi,
Well, that's one way to avoid the truth. Say have you tried pulling the covers over your head and rocking back and forth while saying "No, no, no, no, no" yet? That works sometimes.
Have you tried sleeping with the light on?
Date: Mon, February 26, 2007, 01:59:56 ET
Posted by: Anima Mundi,
Can't fill the seats? Or to be more exact, can't fill the seats WHERE? If they play Jones Beach Amphitheater they fill the seats without too much advertising because NYC metro area is huge and Jones Beach is a well known venue. The same goes for any of the NYC venues. I would think that smaller markets would require more advertising to fill the seats.
Part of it has to do with the predictability of an SD show too. They rarely pull out all the stops, and their setlist is fairly predictable. This tends to discourage repeats concertgoers. The intensity level is another factor of course, which is a tad reserved, which has to do with SD's aversion to the more upbeat songs in their early repertior. They won't do Barrytown. They won't do "Only A Fool Would Say That". They won't do "Kings". They won't do "Change Of The Guard". They won't do any of those songs and it's killing 'em!
One thing they don't seem to realize is that a live show isn't the studio. In the studio you can do what you want. In a live setting you've got to ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. If the people want to hear your earlier work in a live setting YOU DO IT! You don't act like a primadonna and so "No, I don't feel like it". You do what you have to do to entertain the crowd. After all these years they still don't seem to get that. They don't understand that if you want to sell the next show you've got to get people talking about the show you're doing right now. When you do the same songs night after night you're not doing that. They need to do the songs I mentioned above (and more) mix it up from night to night. You've got to keep the crowd guessing. They can't know what's coming next. People go to show a because they want to be excited, and they want to see something they haven't seen before, they don't want to see the same show they saw 3 years ago, and if they do they're sure not to come back for another show in the future. If I was advising Fagen and Becker (and I guess I am with this post) I'd tell them to start doing their earlier less-played songs and to throw a few suprise cover songs into each show. Could you imagine them doing "Come Back Baby" in a live setting? Or maybe a couple of cover songs from Bob Dylan or Curtis Mayfield or whatever? This would get people talking. This would bring back a few of those people who've seen a show or two and think they've seen all there is to see. The live show is a fluid thing. It changes depending on how you feel. It's not supposed to be the same thing all the time. People don't want to see that. They want to commune with the performer. They want to see they real you, not a plastic wind-up version of you. Not a vegas stage show. Understand? Once you do you'll fill those seats again, and you'll have a better time doing it too.
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 22:42:02 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CTMy theory on why they cannot fill big arenas? (geez they filled The Garden in 93) is because they have been touring pretty frequently which takes care of the general rock fan who always liked The Dan but probably would only goe to his/her one show and thats it. In addition to that their music as changed and is not really rock anymore but more jazz which further ailenates these casual fans. Fans like us on the Blue would show up if they played at the corner store on a cold wintery night. The young fans for the most part do not know of Steely Dan.
Some of you in here are young and I can not tell you how impressed I am of your musical selections. I was in the front row at Great Woods in 03 and before Slang of Ages I yelled to Walter "Hey Slang Me" and he replied to the crowd it looks like I have already been slanged and proceeded to give me the thumbs up. The guy to my left goes I didn't know that Walter sang and Steely Dan tunes? He also did not know of any Two Agianst Nature stuff etc. He was older than I am. So I suppose that the small venues will be all we get but if anyone told me back in 1990 that I would see Donald Fagen solo and Steely Dan over 13 times I would have said your nuts!!! WE ARE LUCKY!!
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 20:04:41 ET
Posted by: funny, not
In 2003 when donald said "this one is from our new album,
it is called godwacker. The guy next to me said donald tells good
jokes. he did not even know of the new album.
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 19:24:48 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, BogataAspirant,
I'll venture a guess or two on the small venue question.
As to 2000 and 2003, SD was in the process of making their recording renaissance after many years of studio exile. Along with the loyal Dandom Fandom base, they attracted a new generation that had not experienced the very unique, esoteric sound - the complex chords, the sardonic lyrics, the brilliant arrangements, the chunky horns. 2000 promoted 2vN, 2003 EMG, and the band enjoyed serious media buzz.
But look who fills arenas. Usher, 50 cent, Britney (pre-meltdown, and what I refer to as disposable bands whose music thrills for the moment, but like fast food, will be forgotten quickly. Hence, the state of "pop" music. My cousin, a rabit Ian Anderson/Tull fan for 30 years, asked me "What's the best song that's come out in the past decade?" Hmmm, good question.
Joe Jackson (who loves SD, btw) was hugely popular 20 some years ago. I cought him at the 9:30 Club in DC a few years back to promote a new album with his original band. Every song was as good as anything he's ever done, and the little crowd adored him, but Joe Jackson will never fill Giants Stadium.
Is there a band on the planet composing and performing any songs as solid as, say, Traffic's Low Spark of High Heel Boys? Any "pop" radio stations playing music like that? Well, perhaps XM and Sirius, but certainly this kind of music is not being produced or promoted.
Record stores like Tower Records and Virgin are closing down everywhere.
Long story short, music is, IMHO, de-volving into fast food, and SD is far too complex and smart (some would say "weird"), and appeals far too much to the head, as opposed to the heart, to sell out large venues, if not tied to a new release.
I adore the band, and have seen every tour since '94. What a class act!
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 18:59:08 ET
Posted by: Raven, Eastern ShoreAspirant economist: shut the fuck up raven
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 18:45:36 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYGretchen I was just thinking about you. Been watching The Partridge Family lately (the DVD being a gift from my brother) and there was an episode featuring Bobby Sherman! All that teen idol sexiness in one episode, mmm mmm.
It's funny you mention the whole downloading thing because I've been a bit obsessed with iTunes lately, even though I am sans iPod. Here's just a few gems from Margaret's playlist:
Love is Alive - Gary Wright
King For a Day - XTC
Umbrella Man - Partridge Family
Lonely Nights - Captain and Tennille
Trouble - Lindsey Buckingham
Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
Miss Sun - Boz Scaggs (my new favorite obsession, along with Umbrella Man)
Personally, I fear that in several years time the compact disc - much like the casette tape - will become obsolete. Soon music stores will offer the option to walk in with your mp3 player and buy the music you want and instantly add it to your system. Then, bye bye cds. What a shame.
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 18:29:22 ET
Posted by: Aspirant economist, What's changed?Touring economics question: SD toured the big sheds in 96, 00, and 03 with no support and sold pretty well. Then in 06 they have to split the bill with M McD - apparently because they couldn't fill the seats by themselves - and this summer they're hitting theaters/casinos with much lower seating capacities.
So what's changed since 00 or 03? Why can't SD fill as many seats in 07 as they could in 03? Anyone want to take a shot?
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 17:49:18 ET
Posted by: Fife, Snow Bound Baltimore, ehAnyone wanting to chat head to the green.
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 17:39:33 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, down timeWhat's everyone listening to these days? Do you find that downloading music and listening through the computer or an ipod is taking more precedence than listening to cd's?
Here are some download-worthy things I've been listening to lately:
Joss Stone, "Tell me 'bout it"
JJ Cale/Clapton "Riding the River"
Paolo Nutili "New Shoes"
Los Lonely Boys "My Way"
Rickie Lee Jones "Falling Up"
Norah Jones "Thinking about You" (which IMHO has a sound very reminiscent of "Dirty Work")
Anyone catch the RLJ special on PBS last week? I found it very enjoyable,(although it was on at the ungodly hour of 4 am) showcasing her newest, "Sermon on Exposition Blvd." It seems this album, a spoken word effort, is somewhat of a departure from her last studio release, "Evening Of...", which remains my favorite.
G
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 16:47:43 ET
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Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 14:32:28 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills, CAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2xMdH-rfJc
Which One's Pink? Great Gig in the Sky @ The Canyon 2/17/07 (w/ Sharon not Tali)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbdL-Fr9_uM
Which One's Pink? One of My Turns @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu8xgpmvIJ4
Which One's Pink? Sheep @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxGpH1gKmYk
Which One's Pink? Run Like Hell @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtSzfkXhfmM
Which One's Pink? Southhampton Dock - The Final Cut @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzTCWm8pm4
Which One's Pink? Brick II - What Shall We Do Now? @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97LS6ljcfdk
Which One's Pink? Wish You Were Here @ The Canyon 2/17/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2xMdH-rfJc
Which One's Pink? Brain Damage @ The Canyon 2/17/07
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 14:22:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Miguel, I always thought of KL as the piano album, like Royal Scam was the guitar album, Aja the sax album. Omartian is a far superior player than Fagen, I recall he's readily admitted that. He has a grand sweep to his chops, he's very sweet to the ear. A bellcanto piano player you might say. So I find it difficult in light of that to compare him with the great Thelonius Monk. Monk, for me, is very challenging and somewhat jarring, he stirs the ears up, riles them up. Monk doesn't let you rest, it's all I can do to pick out a little of the main melody here and there. Oh it's there, but brotha, he makes you search for it. If that's your proclivity as a listener anyway. Monk's genius forces somebody who digs melody and harmony to abandon that shackle, "let go," is the message I hear from Monk.
My fave piano part is Victor Feldman on I Got the News. It's bop but it's also sweet, those cascading figures juxtaposed with the hard bop.
Which brings me to a thought: I wish Donald would try bringing down the horns and the guitar, aw heck, what I really wish he would do is go with Jay Leonhart, Keith and Walter. The MacPartland configuration was satisfying in the extreme albeit not the Steely Dan band.
Date: Sun, February 25, 2007, 01:43:51 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, BogataWell, it has been awhile since my last visit.
I would like to know if anyone here has had the pleasure of seeing the band on this 2007 tour. I understand it's the same wonderful lineup of musicians. Any surprises? Any nuances? Do tell.
Once again, as I do every few years, I've been breaking out the SD collection, and my current obsession is Katy Lied. With every listen in every decade, I hear new, amazing layers and sub-plots. What strikes me about this CD that is unique to this magnificent album is the ever-present Fagen piano fills, coursing powerfully through virtually every track. Jazz infused, evoking an almost "gospel" feel. Fagen's voice seems more accessible, emotional, warm, even vulnerable as he forgoes the signature double tracking that often gives him that detatched, cynical, "steely" edge on other albums.
Fittingly, the album ends with Michael Omartian's classic solo, which I find myself backing up and playing over and over - JS Back meets TS Monk.
Thoughts?
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 16:22:10 ET
Posted by: Craig B,No Angel Never heard of Lyn Leon. I'll Google that
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 12:59:55 ET
Posted by: angel,Craig: Have you explored her work with Lyn Leon?
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 11:38:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,Thanks Dan about Carolyn Leonhart
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 11:37:49 ET
Posted by: Puffy Mc G-Spot,Margie honey, describe your Mom, is she hot like U?
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 10:46:37 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, The bluest skies you've ever seen in... Cortlandt Manor?Gretchen, ah yes indeedy Bobby Sherman. I believe the first time I heard him I was about thirteen, fourteen years old and bought a tape featuring teen idols of the 70's, the primary reason was to hear John Travolta's "Let Her In." Then the summer I turned 17 my mom took me to see Bobby Sherman, Peter Noone, and Davey Jones in some barn out in Connecticut. Pretty sure I was the youngest one there who actually wanted to be there - tends to happen a lot when I go out with my mom.
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 09:25:01 ET
Posted by: fezman, bostonBoston Rag....Thanks for the info on the venue,let me say this about the ticket prices through brokers,i agree that all access would have been a better alternative but i have heard nothing from them since "morph" and as you and i have spoken about this before, if i could not do it i would'nt,i picked 2 shows this season to attend up til now the other being orlando and decided to pay the premium and depending on the dates across the pond i may hit 1 or 2 there if possible,what it comes down to is do i think it's worth it? for me it is,the enjoyment and all the festivities surrounding a visit from boys and girls makes it all worth it,i don't care what they play,it's an honor to be present and a part of it all.I just don't want to deal with american express pre-buys,ticket bastard arrogance,or the hope that i will be able to get the seats i want when the sellers release them 10 day's before the show.Been there,done that and been disappointed.
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 07:50:49 ET
Posted by: ASABA IMO, asakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep it up
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 07:02:07 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, on the freezing dunesGM, Bobby Sherman? How in the world do you know about him? I think I was 6 when "Brides" was on...Thursday nights, right after "Juvenille Jury" and before "Tom Jones," if my somewhat aged memory serves me correctly. I had one of Bobby's 45's, I think it was called "The Drum." God, what a blast from the way back machine.
G
Date: Sat, February 24, 2007, 02:14:39 ET
Posted by: Counsel, I fought the lawIf Donald Fagen was interested, he might be able to get MySpace to take down the faux fagen page on the grounds that it violates his right of publicity.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 23:17:32 ET
Posted by: suedave, looking for webisodesGM, back before Steely Dan was a band, I loved that show...and Bobby Sherman. Had a boyfriend in the early 80's who thought that Seattle still had dirt roads because of that show. The bluest skies you've ever seen are in Seattle...quick, think Lunch with Gina. Ah. Better.
I have piles of old magazines and I've started flipping thru them before they go to the recycle bin. An Entertainment Weekly from August 2006 has this nifty review of Ollabelle's disc, "Riverside Battle Songs" (folk rock)
This young group polished old-time country, blues, and gospel to a concert-hall shine on their 2004 debut. Their latest has more of a juke-joint feel. Songwriting and arrangements are livelier, with more action from the quintet's fine male voices and more rural soul from vocalists Amy Helm and Fiona McBain...B+
Anyone have it?
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 19:10:25 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYCraig B,
Carolyn Leonhart's "New 8th Day" album is fantastic. I actually haven't heard a whole lot from her first album "Steal the Moon" (though her take on It Didn't Turn Out That Way is amazing), but the New 8th Day album is definately a quality recording! Carolyn's husband Wayne Escoffery plays some wonderful tenor sax on several tunes. Some standout songs from the album are Whisper Not (the absolute best take I've ever heard on this song) and If I Should Lose You.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 16:06:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYChris - some wonderful wonderful creature gave me the bumper sticker at the Vegas Danfest last summer. I'm not sure where he got it from, though.
suedave, when the first word I think of when I hear Seattle is Bobby Sherman. Granted, that's two words, but I always liked the theme from "Here Come the Brides." Reminds me of this scene from "The Critic" where there's a ghetto banquet in honor of Jay Sherman and only his boss shows up and this woman runs up to him and yells "I'm such a big fan! Can you sing the theme from 'Here Come the Brides?'" and his boss says "Wait a minute, you think he's BOBBY Sherman?" Then Jay pushes him to the side and breaks out in "Seattle." What a hoot!
As far as this MySpace jazz is concerned, most of those "celeb" pages are all fan pages. A lot of people assume when they post or send a message on these pages that they're talking screen to screen with the actual celeb on the page. Some musicians/actors/writers etc etc do put up pages, but they're run through a webmaster. And the rest of the time it's fans.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 15:14:33 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/maDoug - None taken! And yeah, we were off to the side, I had heard the sound on the floor wasn't bad. I'm 19 myself and can't stand the lack of energy at SD shows, and this was by far the worst crowd at any concert I had ever seen, still is. We also seated next to some sleazy 40 something guy and his sleazy 30 something wife talking about and doing sleazy things throughout the show, and couple other old folks yapping on cell phones. It was quite the disapointment, as at the time I was 15 and didn't get to go to too many shows. It's no surprise that they didn't return for the 06 tour!
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 13:27:37 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CAMiss Carolyn's second CD...in anybodys opinion,is it better than Steal the Moon?
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 13:22:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Well, we all make our own beds I suppose...
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 12:59:30 ET
Posted by: wish granted, oo-la-la
psst...I AM telling you something you don't know.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 12:58:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Everyday's a good day, well, some are better than others anyway.
After applying my not inconsiderable Turbanic powers of the mash-up and armed with my pitch pipe and metronome, here's some possible mashies for your condideration:
Aja-Almost Gothic
Major Dude-Western World-Dirty Work
Any World-Do It Again-Razor Boy
Glamour Pro-West of Hollywood-Fez
Green Book-Gaucho-Gaslighting Abbie
Bodhisattva-Lunch with Gina
Only a Fool-Time out of Mind
Slang-Don't Take Me Alive
Black Friday-the bridge of Pretzel Logic-Green Earrings
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 12:46:51 ET
Posted by: ORLANDO TICKETS FOR SALE,Hey guys,
I'm selling two Orlando tix. They ended up coming to my home town (Hard Rock Hollywood) and my dad doesn't feel like driving up to Orlando.
CENTER RIGHT ROW T seats 3 and 4.
Email me if you're interested.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 12:13:52 ET
Posted by: Puffy Mc G-Spot,Raj, it's "pustule."
He must be having a bad day.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 12:07:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Listen you prairie putz, you closet squirrel, you bilious putule, if you can't tell me something I don't know then shuddup. You like to sit on the sidelines and kibbitz, is that it? Very safe. Get yer uniform dirty why dontcha.
Go ahead, thrill me...
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 11:20:44 ET
Posted by: as usual, like clockworkWrong on both, Raj.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 10:35:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,With the gift Donald has, he'll never be poor and he'll never be alone. However he could use a good chiroprator and style consultant. Maybe some elocution lessons.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 10:17:57 ET
Posted by: Why Df?,Alright, I'll give that one.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 10:08:05 ET
Posted by: Roy Beans,Fatslob Moore in any context is out of order
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 09:25:52 ET
Posted by: Why DF?,Roy Beans
Put aside the My Space thing, which is no doubt wrong and should be stopped. Hard to believe that stuff goes on if it goes on.
What my point was was that being DF despite his past glory might not be so great to be under today's circumstances.
Agree or no?
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 09:07:06 ET
Posted by: Roy Beans,
Hey Why DF
You made a great point about yourself
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 08:42:37 ET
Posted by: Why DF?,If you think about it, why would anyone want to be DF at this juncture?
I mean the guys IS getting up there agewise.
He has got to deal with WB and some petulant musicians.
He is relegated for (financial reasons?) to playing the same set list night after night after night, and probably will be doing so for at least the rest of 2007.
He is not getting any lady action for his labors as part of the bennies of rock stardom since he is married.
I dunno. I know I were to do it (no way!) I would surely pick someone else besides DF as an alter ego in cyberspace.
I would probably go with someone like Derek Jeter, George Clooney, Barry Bonds, Michael Moore or whomever.
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 04:48:14 ET
Posted by: Gretch cam, Gretch camHey Gretchy baby. Raj maybe lost in space. But ground control has a fix and lock on you darling .
Date: Fri, February 23, 2007, 01:29:28 ET
Posted by: TWM, here at the western worldChris from NH- If I remember correctly, the Verizon show in Manchester was Aug 19th, 03, and Mohegan Sun show was Aug 25th. My brother and I hit traffic heading up to NH and missed the first half of the show, so we HAD to go to the Uncasville gig the next week to make up for it. I don't remember the sound at that show being so bad, but i'm sure it was because we were 3rd row center. What I do remember was a very dead venue- like no energy from the "fans" and alot of geriatrics- it was actually kind of scary, only one or two "hey nineteens" to be seen :) even if there are ppl here who are a little long in the tooth I know you are still rabid fans, nowhere near as passive as this crowd was (so don't take offense- im not talking about you) Was that your take on it Chris, or was it just us? Doug from Ct
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 22:57:47 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/maGM, where can i find such a bumper sticker?
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 22:34:27 ET
Posted by: Hello, Baton RougeMan With No Face - We wait all night for posts like these.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 22:16:52 ET
Posted by: suedave, First word you think when you hear Seattle?GM, that's a great bumper sticker for a car.
I've got an old fair weather Trans Am which doesn't appear on the roads all that much, but last summer I drove it to work a few days. I was training my replacement, we were going out for lunch. He commented on my Trans-Island Skyway bumper sticker - of course, we still keep in touch! As nice as it is to run across someone who gets it - if you can amuse someone else or yourself - that's the sweetness we've been crying for.
Waiting patiently for news of the NYC shows. Ahem cough cough.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 21:45:22 ET
Posted by: NYB,Wow that's pretty messed up. Suppose DF wanted to start his own MySpace page? Seems crazy that someone you don't know can start a MySpace page with your name without you even knowing it. That's cyberspace for ya I guess...
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 20:58:56 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba,NYB,
Yep, weird but true. Search for dead celebrities... You'll find a bunch that are happily blogging away on Myspace.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 20:50:11 ET
Posted by: Denise, HinktownChan, are you going to Wallingford?
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 19:21:29 ET
Posted by: NYB,Steve,
Is that really true? You can actually start a MySpace account in the name of a famous person and put it out there without their permission? That's kind've hard to believe... Sounds like most of the people posting to the page think they're actually corresponding with DF. Are they?
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 17:11:15 ET
Posted by: Chan, In the Florida Room, for one more dayMargaret,
Great bumper sticker. I am so proud that my teenagers absatively know what that is all about. Hope you are well and I am sure I will see you at Mohegan.
Chan
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 16:39:20 ET
Posted by: Steve,NYB- Anyone can build a Myspace page. And anyone could put whatever name they want on it. Does that answer your question?
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 15:27:13 ET
Posted by: NYB,Okay, so who knew that Donald had a MySpace account?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=60804184
Is this really Donald, or is this someone setting up a page for Donald?
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 14:46:54 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYI have this fabulous bumper sticker on the back of my car that says "Is there gas in the car? Yes there's gas in the car." and it's in the beam of a big spotlight. Yesterday on the way home from work there were these two teenagers driving behind me and at a red light I caught them in my rearview window staring at the bumper sticker and trying to figure out what the heck it meant. Oh what fun it was to watch them scream and tear their hair out as they went mad from the mystery that is the bumper sticker! Hahahaha!
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 11:51:57 ET
Posted by: Judge Roy Beans,Get A Rope
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 11:25:00 ET
Posted by: Man with no face, AltamiraI think it is the promoters who are in cahoots with the brokers, and not so much some employee of the ticketing agency. Much in the same way tickets are held back by the promoter for the artist, sponsors, radio station giveaways and whatnot. I'm for tough legislation.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 07:48:31 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, School Vacation with the kidsFezman – I’ve been to the Pavilion many times. 2nd row seats for Tony Bennett/Diana Krall a few years back. Saw Boz Scaggs there last summer on the same night Donald and Walter were playing Jones Beach. Had very good sound for every show. The only concern I have is these shows are at the end of May. I’ve been to the venue in August and it can get very chilly at night with the wind whipping off the water. Bring a sweatshirt or two! Also, parking is limited. There’s a garage at the hotel down the street which I think is about $25.
I’m telling you, these “brokers” are in cahoots with the venue ticket sellers! They have someone on the inside who gets them the choice seats. If someone wants to pay $300, the broker and the ticket seller split the money and the artist gets squat! As the concert draws near and the ticket hasn’t sold at $300, the broker turns it into his ticket seller plant and it gets sold at face value. That’s why I applauded Irv Azoff and I Love All Access for beating the assholes at their own game.
Mark in Boston
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 07:39:34 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PASS, agree. One of my black co-workers mentioned that her husband is a SD fan but it's not like you can walk around and take a poll. He is a jazz fan by the way. The other point in those postings about owning the music is big also. Who owns their music more than SD? Also, other than the very early years I don't think they have ever produced a work with the intention of making it commercially viable. You gotta respect that.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 06:29:59 ET
Posted by: Mer., BostonThe Pavillion (Boston) is an excellent venue- we saw B.B. King there several summers ago- the sound quality was great,and there was easy and comfortable access to all the amenities. If mixed with great weather-the vibe there is fantastic-but 335.00 a ticket? Give me a break.
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 05:26:39 ET
Posted by: fezman, bostonthere are at the moment 6 3rd row center seats available for 335.00 per seat at tickco.com....2 for may 29th next to me and four for may 30th....this concert will be a first for the boy's in downtown boston at the bank of america pavillion on the water front.i'm told it is very nice venue,perhaps one of our boston contingent can give a revue of it as i have never been there
Date: Thurs, February 22, 2007, 01:39:24 ET
Posted by: SS, HKRJ Squirrel...I read that piece on the Black Stamp of Approval you gave the link to. I'm not sure if it's true that Steely Dan has the Stamp. I mean you'd have to somehow find out, right ? But reading the comments/responses below the article there's some good posting by one person who says it has to do with 'owning' the pain in the vocal, regardless of whether you're black or white or anything else.
If SD gets the Black Stamp based on that, then I can understand it, because DF owns what he sings.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 22:59:32 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, HoustonAja1...not to burst your bubble but dont go expecting a revised setlist. I've wasted too much mental energy on that. Not going to happen. Just have a couple of cocktails and go in there knowing that you are going to here some damn good Steely Dan music. Is there anything better? Hell no.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 19:42:49 ET
Posted by: Raven, Bird NestCabin Fever? Feel like running away from your owner? Find yourself contemplating the deep meaning of "If you love someone, set them free?"
If so, then you must hear the song called "Donald Fagen" by Sol String (2005). OMG--I am falling out of my tree laughing (FOMTL). The song is really about our fair Donald, and it's . . . well, what's the word to describe it? Kitchy?
If the song has been aired on the Blue before, I'm a Dodo. It's the middle of winter--what else has a bird to do but wait for ticks? :>~
A long sample can be heard at : http://cdbaby.com/cd/solstring
OR
You can hear the whole "DF" song on Rhapsody online (need free acct.). There, I've noticed a Karoke version of Reelin'. Gimme a mic.
http://www.rhapsody.com/-search?query=Donald+Fagen&searchtype=RhapKeyword
Is it over yet? Raven
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 15:59:23 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New Jersey"Friends of Jimmy" - yes, we looked into this membership after being shut out from any good tickets at Wallingford. It'll cost you $225 to be a "friend of jimmy", with no assurance that your seat will be good, really good, or great. Mark (the larger half, he usually wears yellow so you can't miss him, of Mark&Marie, ha!)has a T3 Line in work also, and guaranteed, he was into Tickemaster within a millisecond. If you check out the Broker sites, they have Seneca Tickets posted already! So, we agree with the prior post, those Wallingford broker tickets were in hand, or guaranteed by "Jimmy" before Ticketmaster went live.
Anyway, we did scoop some hopefully decent tickets for Mohegan. Will try for Wallingford between now and the show. Could be a long weekend in Conneticut for a couple of Jerseyites! Keep us posted on the Danfests!
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 15:35:09 ET
Posted by: W1P, BOCSpeaking of "more cowbell" on SNL, isn't that Chevy Chase playing a cowbell and singing background on "Your So Vain" -- Carly Simon's first ever musical performance on Saturday Night Live?
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 13:46:19 ET
Posted by: JIM, MT BELZONItower theater philly , does anyone know wuzzup with the tix, like what are they waiting for to put them on sale,, i'm going away and dont wanna miss it!
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 13:17:19 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, workingThey have only played at the former Oakdale once before - 2003.
The tickets you see at the ticket vendors now were not bought at 10:00 on Monday. I have a T3 line at work and trust me you can't get in any faster. I'm not sure about other states, but promoter Jimmy Koplik controls the tickets in CT. He has a pay to play club called this year "Friends of Jimmy" where you get to buy tickets ahead of time. Those great tickets you see online are being offered by people who boughtearly through a third party seller.
"Jim Koplik is president of Live Nation Connecticut, which owns and operates the Chevrolet Theatre in Wallingford and the New England Dodge Music Center in ..."
Sounds like payola to me.
It also is the reason why you see a lot of empty seats at SD shows in the front rows. There were almost 100 seats still on sale online for the 06 show at the former Meadows the day of the show. I gues if you sell enoughat t4 times the price, you just eat the rest you don't sell.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 12:41:47 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton, MAI forgot that they played there once or twice previously, I have gone to the Boston shows only. None the less, still nostalgic for me to see them in Wallingford.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 12:13:26 ET
Posted by: Rick,Why is everyone talking about the show at the Oakdale Theater (now Chevrolet Theater) like it's the first time Steely Dan has ever played there? I know they played this place in 2003. They probably even played here more than once.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 11:23:16 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton, MAI grew up in Wallingford, and it is pretty surreal that SD is going to play in the Oakdale Theater (now Cehvrolet Theater), where I saw Puss-n-boots as a kid. Then I heard Deacon Blues for the first time when I was 15, in high school and everything changed.
For those going to the show, feel free to ask questions about the area, I can recommend some places to eat and some places to stay.
Looking forward to it with these hopes:
-revised set list
-some Fagen solo stuff
-good acoustics - I've only seen them outdoors (the Bearsville Theater venue was so good it will be hard to equal the experience)
I enjoy this site although this is my first post. Feel free to email me bborne2888@yahoo.com
Ben (aja1)
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 10:34:44 ET
Posted by: For "BEAU",The Poseur's in town
The Poseur's around
Look at him look you over
He thinks he can win you over
He'll flirt for a while, make passes and smile at you
But he'll never come over
'Cause he's just a poseur
Who thinks he's a Cassonova
That dude standing over there
He thinks he really looks cool
The ladies think he looks smooth
But he's rehearsed every move
He stands in front of the mirror all day
Now he's on display and he's so well routined
We've all come here to dance but he's just here to be seen
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 09:36:21 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleGretchen, thanks, any recommendations are appreciated.
BTW, I e-mailed with a coworker who is a licensed ticket agent about the unavailability of prime seats at the venues. Here's what he wrote:
Q: I just bought tickets online for Steely Dan at the Chevrolet Theater in Wallingford CT on May 18. We (many fans on our chat room) noticed that no matter how fast we logged on , no center tickets were for sale. I know some venues keep some choice seats back and release them later. My question is: do you know when that might be? Are you able to get tickets for that show, or the upcoming Boston/NY shows?
A: From looking at the ticket broker listings, I’d say that the big brokers beat the fans to the prime tickets. The big guys have 20+ computers searching for tickets as soon as the sale starts. I don’t have any Boston or NYC dates. To see what tickets are available on the broker networks, go here: http://usa-tix.com/ResultsGeneral.aspx?stype=0&kwds=Steely%20Dan
I went to the website, there are prime tickets to be had at a price, but you must contact a broker to get them. There's 3 front row center available, if I had the $$$, I'd get them. Happy hunting.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 08:56:33 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,Denise, let me check on a few places in Wallingford for you. Cheshire is an option, too, I know there's a nice B&B if you and your husband are interested in that.
G
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 07:04:33 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleSue: got tix: workin' on getting a hotel. Any suggestions? I don't know the area. Fife, you mentioned a place not far away from Wallingford, do you remember the name? Thanks.
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 02:03:58 ET
Posted by: Anima Mundi, chain, chain, chain"Lexi Fairlawn" = "Will Earn A Fix"?
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 00:36:17 ET
Posted by: suedave, left coastDenise - hellyes, I'll be at the Oakdale with Lady Bayside - got tickets?
Date: Wed, February 21, 2007, 00:01:03 ET
Posted by: suedave, left coastIf it's still your birthday here on the left coast, celebrate for as long as you can!!! Soooo,
Happy Birthday Walter, Gretchen and Craig!
Though the sound at Chumash was great, as was the band, I have to agree about the quality of the sound at Penchanga - better than any show I've ever attended.
I've been listening to 11TOW in the car the last few days. It takes a full listen to get into the groove of the stripped down approach compared to what I've been listening lately, yet the music/melody hooks me in every time for nearly every song, no matter how intense the lyrics. That doesn't surprise me. Bring it on Walter, we'll love ya twice.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 23:33:03 ET
Posted by: Denise, HinktownHappy birthday also Craig and Gretchen: hope you are out partying...
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 22:16:36 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Happy Heinz varieties Walter! I thought for sure your CD would be released by now. Looking forward to it!
SD was mentioned last week in Entertainment Weekly. A feature story on John Mayer talked of his new stint of doing stand-up comedy in LA clubs. A sidebar had other musician-comedians. Of course, they brought up Chevy Chase and Leather Canary. That story never seems to die. Surely, somebody at Bard must have snapped a picture of them performing 40 years ago!
On the Mohegan and Wallingford shows. I'm going to sit back and wait. Too many times last summer great seats showed up days before the show. The asshole ticket brockers wind up sending the tickets they can't sell at $300 back to the venue. It's a stupid game but I'm pretty sure that's the way it works these days.
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 20:39:36 ET
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHelp!!!!!!!
For some reason, known only to this daft computer of mine, I can't get in to the Green Room....would love to chat to y'all, as it's 9.40am here and I'm on hols this week. Damn page won't load at all........Borneo frustrations strike again!!
Ann
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 20:24:18 ET
Posted by: Are You Sirius?, CyberspaceWell, internet transmissions are governed by the DMCA (including certain compulsory royalities paid to the artists) whereas television ads are governed by general copyright law where the artists are paid according to what the market will bear. Moreover, "Hail to the Chief" is probably in the public domain so use of the composition is free -- though use of the specific recording and arrangement would have to be negotiated. Capiche?
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 18:17:59 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehWhat time is this birthday wingding this eve?
Fife
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 17:54:47 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New JerseyWe're on for Mohegan! Just picked up a decent pair today (+24 hours after on sale), section 14, Row E. It looks like it should be pretty close to the stage, Fagen/Girls side. The seats may be permanent seats too, not the folding variety. Think this section may have a Westbury feel to it. Anyone know?
Also, whose going? Lady B?
Still trying for Wallingford.........
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 17:26:16 ET
Posted by: Demon Sloth,From "The Phraae Finder:"
Many happy returns
Meaning
Have many more happy days, especially birthdays.
Origin
Since the 18th century this has been used as a salutation to offer the hope that a happy day being marked would recur many more times. It is now primarily used on birthdays; prior to the mid 19th century it was used more generally, at any celebratory or festive event.
The first record O can find of it in print is in a letter written by Lady Newdigate in 1789 (published in Newdigate-Newdegate Cheverels in 1898):
"Many happy returns of ye day to us my Dr Love."
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:50:24 ET
Posted by: hoops,Margaret, I was also confused when I signed up for the "Girl Margaret " Mastercard outside the shows in 2003. At least I got a travel mug with your initals on it, along side Steely Dan's name.
Craig, they do and in the case I described, it's in the context of internet radio stations. The most curious part is they have software that analyzes your station...the computers "listen." Then you get an email from the hosting that, unless you make changes to your playlist ASAP, your station will be shut down lest the Feds step in.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:31:20 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYHappy Birthday Walter (and Gretchen and Craig!) !
Regarding sound and venues, I always thought Jones Beach was the worst place to see a concert ever because the acoustics were just awful. I had been there twice before last summer and the music was just bouncing all over the water and sounded like crap. I was very hesitant about going back there again, but when I saw SD there last year the acoustics were outstanding - no one was more surprised than me! So perhaps Mohegan Sun is touch and go with it's sound too - let's hope it's good this time around!
PS - Jim, when you wrote that thing about GM I thought you were talking about me and I got really confused. I haven't been on the air in a year and a half and never played any hip hop - although I did flood the Hunter College airwaves with masses of Steely Dan.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:24:08 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, just another yearThanks for the birthday wishes....
And Happy Birthday to Walter and Craig, sending good Karma to you and yours for 07!
Zim, we will finally get to meet, see you in the green later?
G
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:21:51 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, MalibuYes Robert we have some great sounding
shows out here in SoCal. I saw all of
the Donald Fagen shows out here last year.
NOTHING beats Pechanga. That little theater
and that killer sound rig was just phenominal.
I also really liked that sound of the DF show
at Viejas. It was the only outdoor date of the
tour and it was like a small family picnic.
As far as SD shows go out here, what can I say:
Soboba! Soboba! Soboba! Though I really liked
the Meyer Sound rig at Chumash and those great
over-head cam shots.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:18:37 ET
Posted by: angel,Happy Birthday Walter!
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 15:09:05 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro BayThe best concert and sound I ever heard was at the Donald Fagan show at the Arlington Theater in Santa Barbara last March. It was absolutely amazing. We saw SD at Clear Lake north of Napa Valley and at the the ampitheater in Concord California in 2003. The sound at both shows was exceptional. I guess we were lucky on the west coast.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 14:55:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CAThank you to Ann,Rajah and Hoops
The Feds moniter how many times SD is played?
A dumber question why?
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 14:22:19 ET
Posted by: hoops,Gretchen and Craig...
Happy Birthday!
I have some bad respiratory thing, but will try and pop in tonight, although I hope someone comes by and shows you a good time away from chat.
I suspect it will get nixed by the gov. but I sure like the idea of Sirius and XM getting together. I always hate the idea of getting one and finding out DF or WB sign exclusively with the other.
Speaking of Radio, the Feds prohibit us from playing more than 4 Steely Dan songs in a 3 hour period on Radio Free Dandom, but how does GM get to play that hip-hop crap version of "Hail to the Chief" over and over again on their commercials this past weekend???? ARGGGH! It's stuck in my head. They were playing that damn thing maybe a dozen times an hour!
jim
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 14:07:52 ET
Posted by: Zim, G's birthday partyMore wishes for a very happy birthday Gretchen! Let's celebrate in the Green tonight. Cyber martinis?
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 13:48:16 ET
Posted by: Herr Doktor,If I had grey hair, I'd vear it like Vavvy Gravvy, unless it looked like David Crosby.
Zound in '03 at outdoor arenas ZZZZZZUUUUUUUUKKKKKKDDD!!!!!
Universal was OK, I'm sure they have their own rigg.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 13:44:50 ET
Posted by: To Sigmund,Well Sigmund you have never led me astray before so I guess that I will go down to Dorian's and get my white locks Britneyed.
Randall
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 13:17:25 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/maWas it just me or was 03 a less than stellar year for sound? I saw the at the nearby Verizon Wirelss Arena in Manchester and the sound was TERRIBLE. The sound in an arena is never ideal but I had seen a few other groups there, and while it didn't compare to the sound at Tweeter it wasn't a big musical soup like Steely Dan. I also remember hearing how the sound at Tweeter didn't compare to the sound they have there in 00. I thought they sounded great at Tweeter last summer though.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 13:05:20 ET
Posted by: Boris Badinov, give me it down to thereI am wishing I had a nice head of grey hair. All hair is good hair.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 12:59:37 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, zee hair klubVell, my goot man, ziss is zertainly un zubject schtrikkink klose to hommen. A man's hair isht a zybol, is it not, of hiz yoot unt virility. Vitness the Biblical tale of Zamson, he got mitt dat Delaila chick, she dishkovert hiz zecret unt before you could zay Fabio, zaaatz, it vas gone unt he vas brought to hiz knees.
Perzonally, mein hair isht not white, no nary a grey hai, achh the irony, but ooh my, follically challenged for qvite a vhile now. Roagine did not vork, Bioxin vas a non-sharter, Ginko-Beloba vas shit, ze comb-over vas, vell, embarassink to zay the least. So vhat did I do? Ziiippp, zetzzz unt zoootz, I had Rosalinda shear mein mane? Unt ya know vhat? I found it to be a very empowerink unt freeing exzperienz.
My advize? Think young, live young, don't look in the miror and pull a Britney unt shear the locks.
Drive into shprinktime, mein boy, let go.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 12:44:21 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CTHave to agree with Doug about the sound at Mohegan in August of 03.
I was off to the side in the lower levels about halfway back and noticed the sound wasn't very good. One of my friends who was sitting closer, met me at intermission and thats the first thing he mentioned. Perhaps its was a fluke? We shall see.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 12:41:38 ET
Posted by: To Sigmund,Dearest Sigmund
I’ve got one more click on my agedometer and my hair has turned completely white like yours and therein lies my problem. I hang around a bunch of "kids" in this cyberspace thing who don’t suffer from this degrading malady(yet) and I will be seeing them this summer and really want to fit in.(all those old fart jokes get old)
So here is my question: should I color my hair ? I was thinking Shinola black. Is that tooo unmanly man?
Thanks for your support
Randall
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 12:03:53 ET
Posted by: TWM, barrytownHello all-just a quick adviso concerning Mohegan Sun arena...I saw SD in Aug of 03 at this venue, and the accoustics were so bad that I will not go back to see them there this time around. I will travel to Wallingford, an hour and fifteen minutes drive for me. The fact that I live only ten minutes from Mohegan and still am not going should give you an idea of how awful it was. We had seats in the mid to upper level on the right, so we thought maybe if we moved down to floor level it would be better. It was not. I hope those of you that already have purchased tix to that venue have a better experience than I did, and that it was a fluke, but I'm not about to take a chance again. Good luck and have fun, Doug in Ct.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 11:32:47 ET
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHappy Birthday Walter, Gretchen and Craig!
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 10:32:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah, what, again???Happy Birthday to three very dear people, my Gretchen, Craig and Wally. Many happy returns, which is an old phrase I still don't quite understand.
Looks good on y'all...
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 10:11:27 ET
Posted by: Chan, BostonZim,
Send me an email and I'll get back to you with my plans for Mohegan.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 09:56:22 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CATo share a birthday with Walt and Gretchen. Amazing!
Happy Birthday to the 3 of us
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 09:36:19 ET
Posted by: Anima Mundi, string of pearlsOkay you convinced me. I'll give this upskirt pic of Carolyn to Walter for his birthday. It's gonna cost me, but it's the least I can do. I just wanted to get him something different for his birthday this year that's all...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WALTER!
A.M.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 09:33:36 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehHappy Birthday Gretchen and Walt!!!!!!!!
love
Fife
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 09:32:35 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 08:40:50 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,Happy Birthday Wally. Sorry I got too loud at the Milwaukee show when you shot me that look!!!
HeyMike
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 08:38:04 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleHappy birthday, Walter!
Looking forward to your new CD.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 06:02:27 ET
Posted by: Anima Mundi, as seen on Planet X253How do I post a picture to this board?
I have this great upskirt shot of Carolyn from the Las Vegas show that I want to share. Nobody on AdultFriendFinder.com seemed willing to pay for it.
Thanks,
A.M.
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 05:21:40 ET
Posted by: Mr. Wikepedia, links hereOh, yeah...pertinent links here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Boy_Slim
http://www.rootboyslim.com/BioPage.html
http://music.allofmp3.com/mp3/Root_Boy_Slim/group_67824/albref_25/mcatalog.shtml
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 05:11:10 ET
Posted by: bobbo, oops.Um, Root Boy Slim and the Sex Change Band actually, um, WERE a real band. And I know the album I saw was by an artist named Fat Boy Slim. Godamighty, what a five-or-six-(even eight?)-year blunder... research will take hours, or days...anyone in the know on the details of this scene? Which is which? Don got RBS their first record deal; any involvement with FBS at all? I'll bet this has come up here before, hasn't it? Take care, Blue; I'll be readin' you.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, February 20, 2007, 05:01:43 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, in the reading roomNice SECOND THOUGHT and Crowe/Rolling Stone "archives" articles, thanks very much for posting.
Brought to light one of my dumbest dumblers, ever: I first saw that Crowe article five or six (eight?) years ago, and with tantamount inattention to detail and the usual short-term losses, upon seeing a Fat Boy Slim record, thought "that's the guy Walt and Don were talking about in 1980!!" Don't get me wrong, I never bought it, but...for my sake of good follow-through, Root Boy Slim from the story is a fictional creation mentioned as a metaphor of the intention to tour in '81, right? Right?
Wracked with Doubt,
Bobbo
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 00:00:00 ET
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, On All Continents
Happy Birthday, Walter Becker!
...& Here's to "11 More Tracks of Whack"...Slang us!"
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P.S. Like we said last year, can't wait for "11 More Tracks of Whack"...
P.S.S. I know, same cake as last year and the year before and...still tastes the same, and...well...at least the candles never increase each year on this cake...
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 23:03:28 ET
Posted by: Zim, chilly CTHey G! Sounds like you're three rows behind me. Does this mean after all these years we'll finally meet up? Check in the green one of these nights.
Chan-What is your ticket situation?
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 20:05:56 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area...early birthday greetings to Walter Becker!!!! 2/20
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 19:21:20 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,I got sec. 16, row H for Mohegan, and sec 100, row G for Wallingford. I'm really happy with the Wallingford tix, but I think the ones for Mohegan are rather shitty, even though I was online at 9:50. The thing that was really bothersome was that !@@#$$% secret "code" that you have to type in - the damn thing was not legible while trying for Mohegan, and it took me about 8 tries to get it to work!!!
G
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 14:13:51 ET
Posted by: Howard K. Stern, on locationRoom 607...be there.
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 13:08:20 ET
Posted by: seminole, hard rockfinally, an anna nicole connection.....
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 13:03:10 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area...Seminole Hard Rock has been added on May 8...tickets on sale 2/23...update on SD.com
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 12:57:07 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, back from lunch fingers numbPS no fair some people get today off - the whole state of Massachusetts has off. May be why so many people were hitting the online sales today.
In the past almost every SD show I've sat on the right side as you face the stage - the girls side. So getting tickets on the left - ie Walter's side was a plus for me. Although looking at Carolyne and the ladies has it's positives - getting to see Walter play up close will be excellent.
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 12:52:56 ET
Posted by: Zim, CTMy first shot was the wrong venue! I could have sworn I said Wallingford but when I looked at the section number and compared it to the Oakdale map, there was no section 118. That's when I got a clue. So then I got either section 203 or 207, threw those back and got lucky with section 101 Row D, so I'm not complaining. I won't even try for better tickets-these ones are good for me. And did you like how either LiveNation or Ticketmaster gave you the countdown until the show-83 days and so many hours?
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 11:34:49 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at workHad a very difficyult time with Ticketmaster as always. Turns out you can't try for tickets at two venues atthe same time.
Tickets for both CT shows went on sale early - but you couldn't get in consistantly.
First pair at Oakdale - Section 104 Row K Seats 12-13, second set 15 minutes later same section Row F seats 5-6. These are greatseats at these venues.
Mohegan Sun was worse - initially all upper section seats. Finaly got some to show on the floor by the soundboard, but when I went to pay they were gone? Tried severa more times and finally got essentially the same seats - Section 8 Row F. At least on the floor - so people aren't walking next to you all night. Will try again in a fewweeks closer to the show. May get lucky - but at least we are in at face value.
There will be better seats at both venues 1-2 weels before the shows if it follows the usual pattern - although the ones we all got in the wings at the oakdale will be hard to beat.
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:39:54 ET
Posted by: LadyBayside, CTWe were unsure about the far right or far left..I've never been to that theater before, but it sounds like you are just off center from your description..nice! They must be holding bsck..no sign of any center seats from my and SD's multi tries. Phooey.
LadyB
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:37:56 ET
Posted by: I AM Dumber than dumb,Do not use "caps" with ticketbastards
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:35:17 ET
Posted by: Zim, CTWallingford Tickets I got- Section 100, Row D, Seats 1 and 2
Not bad-threw back the first choice and then got these. There is no row A or B in this section, and they are on the aisle. Sat near this area before and it's not bad at all.
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:34:57 ET
Posted by: Denise, HinktownGot tix for Wallingford, loge 6, logged in at 9:58, but could not get more center seats. Are they holding some back?
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:30:18 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Milo
A good prospect for a Meyer sound system is Primm Nevada’ s auditorium,(whatever it is called) What system they have now is just loud and it sucks.
Happy Prez Day
Thanks Mr Moonspank. The DF has landed
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:29:22 ET
Posted by: LadyBayside, CTSueDave and I have had spotty luck..a bicoastal effort..section 204DD...threw back the little ones numerous times and could not, despite a multitude of "what letter is that?" when entering security codes, get anything in the first section besides the right of center section 100.
We are also hoping to upgrade. At least the tickets are fairly inexpensive!
LadyB
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:26:44 ET
Posted by: Zim, CTSo, who got tickets at 10 AM today? Venue and section? See you in Wallingford-I got mine!
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 10:25:53 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CTjust purchased my tickets for Wallingford. Middle of the 203 section.
So-so. Usual ticketmaster madness. I logged on at 10 sharp. Now I know why I usually get better seats through ebay. I will probably upgrade along the way.
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 09:40:39 ET
Posted by: Ann, BorneoGong xi fa cai!
......to any Chinese Blue Bookers and Chris in HK. Enter the Year of the Pig and hope it brings an extensive tour to places that I can attend that don't bankrupt me! I keep scanning the website of Pride of Manchester, just to see if history will repeat itself, and the life-changing event of May 1974 might just happen again:
http://www.prideofmanchester.com/music/tickets-04-16.htm#16
and that our heroes appear once more at the Palace Theatre as they did back then. A venue with a particularly Victorian/Edwardian feel to it and excellent accoustics, IMHO. One can but hope!
However, I see from said site that Mdm MADELEINE PEYROUX will be appearing in that wonderful city on 16th April and one can but hope that Mr. John Herrington gets to experience the delights of the place too. A whole army of big names, past and present are appearing there between now and June, including Deep Purple, Thin Lizzie, Beyonce, Andy Williams, the Who, Rod Stewart, Al Greene, Genesis, Scissor Sisters, Roger Hodgson (Super Tramp), Don McClean, Loudon Wainwright III, 10CC, Lionel Ritchie, Meatloaf, Ray Davies (Kinks), Justin Timberlake, Jan Akkerman (remember Focus, the Dutch band??), Jonny Winter, Tony Bennet, Roger Walters, Donovan, James, Barenaked Ladies, Razorlight, Bryan Adams, Nelly Furtado, Keane, Journey (WOW!!!), Bryan Ferry, Toto, Dolly Parton (no doubt with her greatest hits), Michael Bolton, Echo and the Bunnymen, America (damn, I love 'em!), Snoop Dogg and P Diddy, Curtis Stigers, Chris Isaak, James Taylor, Gary Moore, ROE Speedwagon, The Hollies (only Rajah and I are old enough to remember them!!!), Van Morrison, Rose Royce, Tavares, Three degrees, Odyssey, George McCrae, Four Tops and the Temptations........to name but a few......not all to everyones taste, but it makes me want to head home right now as I'm entering gig anorexia!!!!!!!!!!! Agh!!!!!!!!!
Please will someone come and play in Borneo before I go crazy......!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Mon, February 19, 2007, 07:14:46 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PAThis article from the Baltimore City paper lists Steely Dan (and Mike McD) as having the "black stamp of approval". Interesting and given their influences it makes sense but is it true?
http://www.citypaper.com/columns/story.asp?id=13240
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 23:36:39 ET
Posted by: W1P, EnglandYeah, I hear ya Q. I also think it may have something to do with all the Aussie Floyd fans being Brits and not used to sound as good as at Ruth's place!c
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 20:44:18 ET
Posted by: SS, HKNow that I know what a watermarked cd looks like....what is it ? Why is thats guy's name on it ?
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 20:31:38 ET
Posted by: sf, .If you've ever wondered what a watermarked CD looks like
http://mysite.verizon.net/triley60/morph2.jpg
They should probably replace all that find print with the lyrics to Weird Al's "Don't Download This Song."
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 20:00:29 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehI found this very interesting review from 2006 about "Guacho".
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/on_second_thought/steely-dan-gaucho.htm
I was thinking today if I was allowed to ask Don or Walt one question what would it be?
I'm curious to know what your one question would be.
Mine: What the hell went through your mind when the blackout in Toronto happened?
I also remember thinking that when I looked up in the sky in downtown Toronto, in 2003, from my hotel window and all I could see were stars burning bright and clear. MM I wonder what the Dan are up to right now considering we should both be at the Molson amphitheater.
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 16:30:19 ET
Posted by: Crowe guide, Come this way, pleaseHere's the article:
http://www.cameroncrowe.com/journalism/articles/crowe_jrl_steely_dan.html
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 16:10:06 ET
Posted by: BC,Ray -
Where's/what's the link to the Cameron Crowe article?
Thanks.
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 15:19:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Where Summer has arrived.. at least for this weekendThanks for the Cameron Crowe link
Sherman! Really took me back in the
"Way-Back" Machine. Last time I read
that article in Rolling Stone, I was in
the 6th grade. I still find it fascinating
that Gary Katz considers "Katy Lied" a better
sounding album than "Aja", if it weren't for the
DBX noise reduction system malfunction.
Such grandiose plans for "Gaucho". They were going
to have 2 bands each play a side of the record!
Hell, they were lucky to get the album done. And
it was Gary who REALLY pushed them to tour again.
He finally got his wish. Albeit was 15 years later!
I saw a bunch 0f Woody Allen and his New Orleans
Jazz Band shows in Florida this past December.
I really liked the Kravis Center for Performing
Arts in West Palm Beach.
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 10:02:08 ET
Posted by: Q, TPAW1P - my specific beef w/ Ruth Eckerd as with so many venues utilized these days is that I am sick of hearing sound reflecting off of concrete...
That's just not the way it's supposed to be...
It's a huge, and unfortunate - compromise brought on by the economic realities extant in the music industry.
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 09:44:04 ET
Posted by: Q, TPAW1P, I'm not arguing with your friends except to say that while it is a very good venue acoustically (I clearly did characterize it as such), it isn't among the best of the best. Only 20 minutes up the road is a FAR better venue acoustically (and atmospherically - not dominated by geriatrics operating the place as is Ruth). That "better" place is called the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center and it is world class. Unfortunately, the Board has been hijacked by the "adults" in the area and so not many great concerts anymore as in past - now mostly off-Broadway and the like crap. A total waste of an acoustically near perfect venue.
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 08:29:39 ET
Posted by: Height Complex, HollywoodA rather interesting Donald sighting:
http://www.celebheights.com/
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Donald-Fagen-4670.html
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 07:52:25 ET
Posted by: sf, njHere's a story about reunion tours, with a mention of SD
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/living/16707535.htm
Date: Sun, February 18, 2007, 00:04:18 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, CCCameron Crowe said in an interview about 10 years ago that he lost his virginity while Steely Dan played "Do It Again" on The Midnight Special in 1973. He documents the moment in his movie "Almost Famous".
Mark in Boston
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 22:32:01 ET
Posted by: prez logic, ElizabethtownKeeping with the Cameron Crowe theme if I remember correctly Donald Fagen's "The Goodbye Look" is part of the soundtrack of Elizabethtown. IMHO a great movie, and the last scene is worth the price of admission, or rental, for any child of or fan of the 70's.
Hey Rajah...which version of "Here at the Wesern World"? I like them both but am partial to the up-tempo one from the 2006 DF tour, especially for Cirque. You gotta throw both "gold teeth" in there too.
Until next time,
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 15:56:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah, springtimeMajor Dude and Western World to start.
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 13:58:46 ET
Posted by: sf, njI read that Rolling Stone article on microfilm maybe 20 years ago, but never knew it was Cameron Crowe.
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 12:10:33 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Gilligan's IslandBobbo,
Greetings from Mr. Howell III and Lovie. Believe it or not Bob Denver lived not far from me in WV until his passing. He was an occaisonal guest weatherman on local tv too. What a hoot...
Speaking of LOVE I had the pleasure of seeing the show in "Lost Wages" in September 06 plus received a copy of the album as a Christmas gift. I enjoyed the re-working/mix of songs (but like the originals better) and was pleasantly surprised by both the show and the album. I was skeptical of the show especially and was overheard on occasion saying "How in the hell is someone going to tumble to "Hey Jude". IMHO they pulled it off, and I may just see it again during my next visit to Sin City in a couple of weeks, on business of course. The thought crossed my mind of what Steely Dan/DF/WB songs would work in a similar setting. How 'bout we put our thinking caps on an come up with a show/song list?
Also, there's a good interview from 1977 in Rolling Stone on cameromcrowe.com with Mr. Crowe and our friends Donald and Walter. under the journalism tab.
Until next time...
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 11:55:53 ET
Posted by: W1P, Not TampaThat't interesting Q -- either the Aussie Floyd fans missed the boat or the other venues those guys played we below B+ range -- 'cause they were raving and drooling about the sound
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 10:42:14 ET
Posted by: bobbo, dansteely fields foreverHey Raj,
I'm quite relieved to hear that you enjoy the LOVE album...my Beatles beginnings center around MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR, one of my Mom's favorites; I think "Fool on the Hill" is one of my earliest memories of recorded music. My current collection stretches from the HARD DAY'S NIGHT (UK) to LET IT BE, so I'm really more of a "later" Beatles fan (though I've recently been very into the new Capitol reissues of the U.S. catalog albums).
I think the LOVE album is a lot of fun, and you're right about Martin: who else could ever accomplish this feat? The riff from "Blackbird" becomes "Yesterday" before you're aware of it; what he did with "...Mr. Kite/She's So Heavy" is nothing short of astounding, to the practiced ear. I'm with you on the "Drive My Car/What You're Doing/The Word" mix, too. I AM HAVING A GOOD TIME FINDING LITTLE SNIPPETS HERE AND THERE.
Now, what I'm curious about: are there Dan songs that could be done this way? Say Katz and Nichols got together, and...I dunno. For the record, I simply can not abide the Cirque du Soleil "thing," sorry, but...what would a good excuse be? I've been wondering, in light of what Sir George did with LOVE, if "Bad Sneakers/Dr. Wu" would work; and "Only a Fool/Rikki" seems a shoe-in, but hey--I'm only dreaming here. If you're a part-time Beatle Head, in my opinion, the LOVE album is a very enjoyable experience.
I think the Steely Dan BLUE album would be the bomb!
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 02:18:19 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the Steely VineyardI just got in from seeing Madeleine Peyroux. (I hope Walter corrects the spelling of her name on his website someday.)The venue was 10 minutes from my house and seats 1,500. The show was sold out. I have been a big fan since Careless Love. She had a 4 piece band backing her up including Jon Herington on guitar(s)and Ted Baker on piano and organ. It was magic!
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 01:39:10 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA/CLsound is B++ - too much concrete and not enough sound panels to make the "A list"....doesn't have the resonance of the few vintage wooden structures that still stand.
But compared to the sheds and "pits"(ala Chastain, etc.) its an A+++++++++++++++++++++
Just don't get stuck in the back rows - there is no aisle and 50+ seats across and if you have to go to the bathroom.....you step on a lot of toes and say "excuse me" 50 times there and back....
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 00:14:33 ET
Posted by: Mister Big,Verrry...interestinkk....
Dispatch Badinov und Fatal post-haste!
Date: Sat, February 17, 2007, 00:06:04 ET
Posted by: Somethink?,I tink Vahlter ist en eine Brooklyn Basement heemself personally burnink das CD's ov hees neu rekord zince eet coolt be dat he kant get no big kompanies to prodoos und deestribyoot hees rekord. Zo eet ees goignk to take und langen teim before we are goink to zee Vahlter's rekord....
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 23:58:53 ET
Posted by: W1P, El ARegarding Ruth Eckard Hall, I know several people who followed the Australian Pink Floyd Show around on their recent North American tour and they ALL raved about the sound at that venue.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 23:23:01 ET
Posted by: Q, TPANEWS FLASH - not on official SD site yet...but, CONFIRMED as of today:
Clearwater, FL - May 14th
Ruth Eckerd Hall - CONFIRMED DATE! - via the venue!
I am a donor to the venue, and received my "pre-sale" notice today.
If you are in FL, or are doing several dates on the "summer tour", this venue is acoustically a "must attend" quality venue.
A beautifully cared for old hall - almost - of the quality of some of the great old dedicated music halls of the Northeast.
Tix are: $125. "Limited VIP seating" , $69.75, and $79.75
General public sale date is March 9 at 10am EST - This will sell out quickly as on seat a couple thousand and the TPA area has always turned out in full force for SD shows (at much bigger venues here). Plus Orlando Hard Rock( 1 1/2 hours away) sold out in a flash and the tix have been almost impossible to find since first day sale.
Also, venue very accessible, close to the beaches, and many great hotel, etc. choices. Some of the most beautiful sunset views that you could find anywhere - remember, this is on the West Coast, not the East Coast(ughhh)of FL...
Great news for the Dan is that these are the most expensive tix priced for any rock/pop show at this venue that I can remember. Taller jack than acts such as Yes, James Gang, CSN, etc. - heck, more than Bowie at the only better venue in the area on his last tour.
Nice to see The Dan go upscale and aggressive!
Worth every penny - if only for the fact that you won't have to almost die from heat stroke ala the '05 show...
This is a "win-win" show!
Yeah!!
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 20:52:32 ET
Posted by: Fearless Leader,We know nothink...nothink! We are kept in dark like mushrooms in a Brooklyn basement farm. The bourgeoisie capitalistik dekadence of the Comrade Becker machine will divulge no knowledge of projeckt. Comrade Fagen is a veritable leaky faucet kompared to Valter Beckker. He would be an excellent addition to our glorious KGB. In fact, we are taking steps in that direcktion presently.
However The Truth is out there zomewhere, eh?
All glory to the Motherland!
Fearless Leader...out
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 20:48:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly areaOn this day in Steely Dan history:
The big story on the front page of the February 16, 1981, Daily Collegian, the student newspaper at Penn State, was an interview with none other than Walter Becker!! One of the student reporters somehow landed an interview with WB...
I still have a copy of the paper from that day, and I'll try to dig it out and post the interview next week.
The article was met with some criticism from Penn State students who felt that the piece didn't belong on the front page, while a story on the Iran hostage crisis was placed on page two. A couple of days later, a political cartoon ran on the editorial page...possibly the first Steely Dan political cartoon. I have a copy of that cartoon as well, and I'll try to post a pic of it as well....
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 19:20:17 ET
Posted by: garp, Laughing PinesPardon my naïveté, but are there any updates on the status of WB's next solo release? Given that his "official" site is updated so sporadically, I've come to rely on the BlueBook for my news. Thanks.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 18:36:28 ET
Posted by: Natasha Fatal,Boooris, darlink, that's because you have terrible posture. BTW, Fearless Leader has cancelled orders to kidnap Moose and Squirrel. He wants us to instead go after a Fagen und Becker. Much more waluable than Moose and Squirrel, they play harpsichord and balaika. They have the right dynamic for motherland's new frontier. So sick of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. We traded them for space heater.
We leave immediately, darlink. Pack your plastic mac.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 18:26:29 ET
Posted by: Boris Badinov,Ooh boy, I know how he feels. Natasha towers over me. Raskaniakoff!
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 18:20:05 ET
Posted by: sf, NJHoward looks like he has a good foot in height on Donald, so it was probably a somewhat homophobic experience for him.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 18:01:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,B-Bo - the Love record is very long, heavy on the latter portion of their career, the trippy stuff, but what George Martin and his son did on the mash-ups of the middle period, Hard Day's Night, Help, Beatles For Sale are great. It took somebody like Martin to pull together the complimentary songs, i.e., same keys, signatures, wow. Only knock is most of the middle 8s get short shrifted. Structurally, you can understand why. This thing is perfect for kid to listen to, those Beatle harmonies are as sweet now as they were then, their voices sounded so similar and yet each had its own special timbre. Highlights for me were For No One, I'm Looking Through You, Rain, Because, I Should Have Known Better and If I Fell, Tomorrow Never Knows.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 17:18:44 ET
Posted by: bobbo, surfin' awayHey Fellas,
I'm having a pretty nice time reading/sharing all of the work our friend Matt has done at the Star Room reviews site:
http://www.star-room.com/reviews/songs/searchsongsartist.php?search=steely+dan&Submit=Submit
If you haven't seen it, give it a whirl; some light fun in the name of interpretations and general thumbs-up-or-down remarks...
And, I'd really kind of like to know: how many of you have checked out the BEATLES "Love Album"? I won't bug you with my take on it, just yet, but the controversy among die-hards in the moptop camp has got me wondering: what if this kind of project were done with Dan tracks/material?
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 17:07:52 ET
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Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 17:03:38 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYCSo last night I stride into The Drummers Collective for my 6-7pm studio time. I hadn't been there in 2 weeks. My night was ruined upon entrance as the signs for tonights 8pm master class with Keith Carlock had that big SOLD OUT sign sprawling in front of his picture. My one chance to threaten his life, family, friends if he does not convince The Donald to play Dr. Wu already...I guess I should've waited in the elevatot for him though.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:53:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,At his intermission? Wow, great timing and mad props to the guy. After the show that night we're standing by the curb outside the theatre, out comes a town car from driveway backstage, two guys in the front grinning and a shadowy figure in the backseat holding a towel around his head looking almost spooked as the crowd parted for the vehicle. But the eyes were unmistakable, Lester made his escape encaped in terry cloth.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:33:12 ET
Posted by: The Truth,Levy was part of a gig at the Green Mill—not Green Dolphin Street—the night of last year's Fagen show at the Chicago Theatre. The venues are about seven miles apart in Saturday night urban traffic. The guest spot for "What I Do" was made during the intermission of Levy's show. He dashed in, played, and dashed back to the Green Mill for the second set. It wasn't just a short cab ride for Levy but a big effort that many agree was worth it.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:23:54 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, West of Green Dolphin StreetKD, I think it was Green Dolphin Street. Short cab ride away--But-I could be wrong.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:22:05 ET
Posted by: fezman, bostoncorrection.....website is tickco.com sorry for the mistake....these are primo seats at a premium price just thought i would let you all know....thanks to dave from aquisitions for info
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:14:46 ET
Posted by: fezman, bostonTickets are on sale for may 29th only for boston fleetbostonpavillion.com this is an outside venue very nice though around 10,000 capcity.....fezzie
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:09:44 ET
Posted by: KD, jumpLevy was playing at the Green Mill, which is WAY the hell up there in uptown Chicago. That was quite a haul to make it all the way to the Chicago Theatre for "What'd I Do."
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:08:36 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Thanks Gus.I will check this out at Costco. I want to be around for the next Steely Dan Left Coast concert.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 15:03:24 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CACraig, I don't want to get too far afield, but since you asked, Omega-3 fatty acids are available in pill/capsule form. I use Nature Made Omega-3 fish oil, item #916248. We get this from Costco for about $.05 per "softgel". My wife uses a more expensive health food store product called Fish Smart Ultra (try www.renewlife.com). Probably most supermarkets now stock this as well.
GW
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 14:12:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,And he played with the band in Chicago before his other late gig that night. And did it beautifully, he got a great ovation, then he gives Donald a big hug before going off. Donald made those big mad scientist eyes and looked very shocked. I don't think Donald's much of a hugger.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 14:11:21 ET
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Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 13:53:18 ET
Posted by: harmonica,Howard Levy, of Bela and the Flecktones fame, from Chicago, played harmonica on Morph.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 13:52:32 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Dr Perricone
Sounds like WB's doctor
Can you get omega-3 in pill form?
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 13:51:17 ET
Posted by: TP123, HawaiiWHO played harmonica on Morph the Cat?
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 13:42:39 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,Salmon's always a good choice, full of Omega-3's. Highly reccommended by Dr. Perricone, by the way.
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Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 13:38:04 ET
Posted by: W1P, LAActually, the Salmon is not all that bad -- but I personally would opt to have dinner before going to the Canyon (which is in Agoura Hills 5-6 miles west of Calabasas). (On the other hand, if you need to sit, you either must opt for dinner or get their when the doors open because if you don't get dinner, there is very limited seating). If you want to get a feel for it, you could always drop by tomorrow night and catch Which One's Pink? -- playing, among other things, Animals (released 1/23/77) in its entirety.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 11:24:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,Thanks Rajah
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 10:32:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,CB - The Canyon Club is a very large room. It's in Calabasas just off the 101, you can see it from the freeway. We saw W1P do The Wall, they packed the place, like maybe 700 people, I dunno maybe more. Steve and the boys played there last year, W1P himself over there surrounded by a bevy of young pulchritude, what a scoundrel. It used to be like a co-op holistic supermarket a while back. The Doobies, Beach Boys, John Mayall, Dave Mason, Cheap Trick, Wayne Newton even, you get the picture...all the old farts. And occasionally they book a very very good Tribute Band, but ONLY a very good one. Then after the show they turn it into a dance club and the kids hit the floor. The food is unspectacular, 2 kinds of rubber chicken, that kind of thing. www.canyonclub.net
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 09:54:51 ET
Posted by: Craig B,W1P
Share a little info about Canyon Club
Thanks
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 09:47:55 ET
Posted by: db,update at sd.com
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 08:58:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work at least we have some snowMonkey on crack time Monday morning trying to get ticket tickets to two shows at the same time while at work. Just keep hitting that F5 key over and over again.
Oakdale prices:
Steely Dan also performs May 18 at Chevrolet Theatre in Wallingford; tickets go on sale Monday at 10 a.m. for $70, $60 and $40.
Date: Fri, February 16, 2007, 01:21:53 ET
Posted by: W1P, Agoura HillsMarch 30 -- Pretzel Logic @ The Canyon Club, Agoura Hills, CA! If you live in SoCal, this is the place to see 'em!
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 23:53:05 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, EverywhereRoseland 1995 Soundboard was sublime. Love "On the Dunes" live. DF's live stuff at Oakland was phenomenal. Another great performance of "Maxine."
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 22:16:54 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', HKRe: Ruby
I've got The Drifters version, Dion's version and DF's version back-to-back-to-back on a disc. By the time I get to DF's take I'm just blown away by the harmonies, especially those sweet chords just before the extended outro. Anthony Jackson's bass figure is brilliant ! The piano solo is way laid back - never get tired of it.
Really wanted Ruby to be part of the DF tour and look forward to one day finding a live copy.
Ditto Springtime ! Really under-rated song. Glad to hear it rocks live.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 21:56:50 ET
Posted by: broadway duchess, FYIA second show has been added:
The Levon Helm Band at The Beacon Theatre on March 16
By Overwhelming Demand, The Levon Helm Band Adds A 2nd Show at The Beacon Theatre on Friday, March 16
The longtime drummer for The Band, Levon Helm, has worn many musical hats throughout his long career, including multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, actor and producer. Levon Helm is a master storyteller in any genre and is considered one of the most talented musicians of his time.
Don't miss The Levon Helm Band at the Beacon Theatre Friday, March 16 & Saturday, March 17!
Tickets go on sale for the FRIDAY, MARCH 16 show TOMORROW, Friday, February 16 @ 9am.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:36:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Frostbite FallsRuby is a player and a goldigger. I'm thinking Scarlett O'Hara, "War, war, war, all you boys evah talk about is war." And that guy is still a chump, he'll never get her with that plan.
Andy hasn't aged as well as Don & Walt? R U kidding me? Don and Walt look like London after the blitz.
That or a very droll anthropomorphized Bullwinkle and Rocket J Squirrel.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:26:39 ET
Posted by: The Police Reunited,Yeah, the Police still have the muscle, although Andy Summers hasn't aged as well as Don and Walt. But Andy will be 65 years old this year!
There is a "rehearsal" video from Monday Feb12 at the Whisky a go go (where Steely started out, well, where everyone started out), and the Police make some great noise for 3 guys and no tricks. Good move.
www.thepolicetour.com
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:21:36 ET
Posted by: ruby baby,Raj -
What about these Ruby lyrics?
"I'm gonna steal you away from all those guys"
"Got some lovin' money too
Gonna give it all to you
Ruby baby when will you be mine"
All those guys? Lovin' money? Lovin' money to give to her!? Goodness!
A Ruby by any other name might not smell as sweet.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:12:14 ET
Posted by: R,Milo - You know what was really great? The one and only time the band played "Springtime" at Madison Square Garden in 1993. It rocked!
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:07:11 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicagoA couple of Steely Dan-in-the-media items.
* Someone wrote to the Dandom Digest that Madeleine Peyroux was on Jimmy Kimmel last night backed by, among others, Jon Herington and Ted Baker. Anyone Tivo that?
* "Two Against Nature" is NUMBER 1! It was referred to in The New York Times this past Monday in an unusual statistical chart. The Times had a chart showing "Gain From A Grammy Award, Award winners the week after." If you didn't catch this, it's understandable. It's in an inset box in the "Business" section and lists ten Grammy winning albums from something like the past ten years. To cram it in the box, they truncate the title of the album and leave off the artist's name. Listed as the album to experience the greatest percentage increase in sales after a Grammy win is "Two Against..." No mention of Steely Dan and they couldn't come up with an extra 0.2" to fit in the word "Nature." It says, sales jumped to 32,000 which was a 700% increase over sales from the previous week. Others listed include at #2, U2's "How to Dismantle..." (27,000 sold the week after, a 575% increase), Norah Jones' "Come Away With Me" (621,000 sold the week after for a leap of *only* 331%), etc. As you can see, this is ranked by percentage, not numbers. And do keep it in mind, the numbers for "Two Against..." probably would have been dramatically greater if it weren't for how Warners had relatively few copies out there in the stores the day after the Grammys...they seem not to have expected the win.
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The discussion of "Ruby Baby" got me thinking of Donald's performance of "Maxine" in Minneapolis--what?--11 months ago! He was joined by The Steeles and it was incredible. After today's "Ruby" thread, I think it would have been great if The Steeles and DF performed "Ruby Baby" as well. 'Ruby Baby" is a delightful and genuine tune full of idealism. The Steeles, of course, hooked up with DF via their mutual involvement in "The Gospel at Colonus." I believe Donald produced the cast album and, of course, The Steeles performed.
jim
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:01:27 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound>>Milo - Ruby Baby was played the first show of the 1996 tour in South Carolina. I'm pretty sure that was the only time on the tour it was played.<<
[ Thanks Robert. I would really like to hear it. Really missed it during Donald's Solo Tour.
I thought for sure they would bang out that tune. Especially with
Jeff Young now in the mix. He opens up so many new possibilities.
A live version of "Ruby", cool. Still would have like to have heard
"On The Dunes" at the Roseland 1995 show ! ]
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 18:00:19 ET
Posted by: W1P, LAThe Kinks 70s and 80s output is pretty cool. Their live record has the definitive version of Celluloid Heroes. I love songs like Jukebox Music, Attitude, Live Life, and Around the Dial (which I'm quite sure inspired the Replacements Left of the Dial). On the other hand, I detest Come Dancing. And is there any better line than "I got a big fat Momma, trying to break me"?
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 16:44:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,The difference being Ruby's a tease and Louise and Roxanne are hookers. Ruby ain't for sale, she's got game. Ruby don't want a fee, she wants the whole bank account. Ruby is a stalker song, another one of SD's great themes. Oh yeah, and the guy is a chump, another thematic fave.
BTW, how bout them Police on Roxanne the other night? Now that's some muscle. And der Schtingle looked proud to be with his mates again, he was standing tall. Sting with a lute was bit over the top, maybe Copeland went over and shook the crap outta him. He proved he's a good musician, now maybe he'll get back to doing what he's best at what his fans like the most.
Hellllloooo, Donald & Walter....what a concept!
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 16:40:20 ET
Posted by: Robert,Milo - Ruby Baby was played the first show of the 1996 tour in South Carolina. I'm pretty sure that was the only time on the tour it was played.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 16:26:29 ET
Posted by: ruby baby,Donald's version of Ruby is masterful. What a great subversive song, the origin bubblegum inspiration for Pearl of the Quarter and Roxanne I would guess.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 14:46:36 ET
Posted by: universal life force,Yeah, remember that band "Gandalf"? Didn't think so...
Maybe Libby would.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 14:37:09 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer SoundWhat shows in 1996 was "Ruby Baby" played at?
Would love to hear that.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 14:32:22 ET
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Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 13:29:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah,I suspect a player on his record who may have admitted to being influenced by anybody would have been a sore subject for The Donald after the Gaucho/Keith Jarett fiasco.
The Kinks informed a lot of Punk, the songs from the 60s were funny, a bit risque, a bit androgynous. Well Respected Man, Dedicated Follower of Fashion, Sunny Afternoon, Tired of Waiting for You, these were fun songs when I was a kid. Lola was a little too Gay for me but still, it had some nice guitar theatrics.
There was this Hungarian guy back in New York in the 80s who took a liking to the band Wayne Kramer led. We thought he was a strange one but he dug us and he told us he managed the Kinks in the 60s for a while. I think it was the 60s. He kept asking us to let him book us in some clubs. OK, so the first club was an S&M freakshow called "Paddles," below 23rd somewhere around Madison Square. During the week it was a crazy drag queen joint. On Sundays they had regular bands come in, they went straight on the 7th Day shall we say. So we were in there rehearsing on Saturday afternoon. I walked in with Moose, our bass player, huge black guy and there onstage was a large crucifix, I shit you not, with shackles hanging off it. But the kicker was there were two guys in leather up there, one guy laying across the other guy's lap getting the shit spanked out of him by the other guy. So I immediately busted out laughing. That's when Moose took me by the back of my jacket, I think it was Members Only, and hauling me up the stairs to the rehearsal room. Then he lectured me on respecting alternative lifestyles. Lifestyles, schmife-styles, that was the most hilarious thing I'd ever seen.
You can't make this stuff up, folks. Later I'll tell you about the other place he booked us, yes, more hijinx, but Paddles took the cake.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 13:00:37 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/maFunny, I've always loved Ruby Baby. Donald took a cheesy song and made it hip and sophisticated.
As for the piano player lifting the melody from a Kinks song, doesn't the fact that he freely admitted it (with no regards to any controversy) mean that there was no "blackballing" or any kind? Or are you saying that Donald was pissed that he lifted a melody from another song, which is something that jazz players have done for decades?
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 12:55:19 ET
Posted by: Robert,I saw them do 'Ruby Baby' live at one of the first shows in 1996. It was by far the best song of the night. I don't think they played again after that show.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 12:39:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Ruby was a reach. Carolyn told us it was the toughest song to recreate, true old time four part harmony. And of course the very ginchy piano tricks were simplified. But piano players seem to really like this one. Plus it's always informative to see how Donald picks his covers. Can anyone clue us in on the feel of Workin in a Coal Mine at Bearsville?
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 12:10:39 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYCYea, I never liked “Ruby baby”. To me, it’s as if Fagen blindly picked out a childhood song that was appropriate for the Nightfly time frame.
I suppose it’s a nod and appreciative smile to Leiber and Stoller.
Terrible song in my opinion, with or without the alleged stolen Kinky parts.
And speaking of Kinks, I have very little time and patience for this band or any other that’s covered by the likes of Van Halen.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 11:28:19 ET
Posted by: universal life force,I think a "Onegin Stanza" is what you write after injesting ONE full bottle of GIN.
I tried it once, but I don't remember what I wrote...
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 07:23:26 ET
Posted by: Clas, Stockholm---
Rajah - Oh yeah - you really got me now - you got me so I can't sleep at night you really got me - you really got me - you really got me ...
The Kinks, right. You really Got Me, one of the best songs he made, Ray Davies.
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Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 04:35:23 ET
Posted by: Titwillow,I misspoke; D sharps and flats, All Day and All of the Night. That's Ruby.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 04:25:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,The way Philinganes plays around D major and minor in triplet forms on Ruby is reminicent of certain Kinks tunes. Dedicated Follower of Fashion and another song I can't recall the name of at present, another minor Kink hit single from the 60s.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 03:52:23 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, ...ok... got my answer. never noticed that lift before!
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Robert Doerschuk: Is there an example of a tune on which you recorded a solo that you developed from a melodic motif?
Greg Phillinganes: Well, there's the solo I did for Donald Fagen on "Ruby Baby." I started it off by playing "You Really Got Me" from the Kinks, and developed it from that.
RD: That came from the lyrics, with Fagen singing about this girl?
GP: Yeah. You've got to give it some meaning. That's a trick I learned from listening to a lot of soloists, like Charlie Parker: They would steal from other tunes, take melodies and put 'em anywhere. (Saxophonist) James Moody is brilliant for that too.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 03:42:07 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, florida room"Greg Phillinganes was blackballed after pissing DF off for saying in interviews that he ripped off the Kinks on his Ruby Baby solo."
this is the first time I've seen the Kinks and Donald Fagen mentioned in the same sentence... two of my all-time favorites!
can anyone give any more details on this. what Kinks tune was he supposedly ripping off??? that's a sweet solo.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 01:22:36 ET
Posted by: The New Vaudeville Band, 1966OH, YOUR RED SCARF MATCHES YOUR EYES,
YOU CLOSED YOUR COVER BEFORE STRIKING,
FATHER HAD THE SHIPFITTER BLUES,
LOVING YOU HAS MADE ME BANANAS,
OH, YOUR RED SCARF MATCHES YOUR EYES,
YOU CLOSED YOUR COVER BEFORE STRIKING,
FATHER HAD THE SHIPFITTER BLUES,
LOVING YOU HAS MADE ME BANANAS,
OH, YOU BURNT YOUR FINGER THAT EVENING,
WHILE MY BACK WAS TURNED,
I ASKED THE WAITER FOR IODINE,
BUT I DINED ALL ALONE,
OH, YOUR RED SCARF MATCHES YOUR EYES,
YOU CLOSED YOUR COVER BEFORE STRIKING,
FATHER HAD THE SHIPFITTER BLUES,
LOVING YOU HAS MADE ME BANANAS.
Date: Thurs, February 15, 2007, 01:06:36 ET
Posted by: Rudy Valee, megaphone in handThe object of my affection
Can change my complection,
From white to rosey red.
Everytime I am with you,
You show me that you care.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 21:59:53 ET
Posted by: Chan, BostonI'm in for Mohegan.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 21:52:56 ET
Posted by: sf, njMohegan Sun tickets will be $40 and $60
http://www.mohegansun.com/entertainment/schedule_of_events.jsp?vid=all&catid=all&subid=all&&pgnum=6
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 21:45:59 ET
Posted by: Zim, Snowbound in CTI'm in for May...who else is? G? Chan? WuDuF?
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 20:29:29 ET
Posted by: Chan, SnowboundRoses are red
Violets are blue
Steely Dan in May
Perhaps they'll play Wu
Happy Valentines Day all!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 20:09:33 ET
Posted by: Uncle Albert, at SeaThe verse at Lexi Says is all the proof that we need that WB wrote most of the lyrics.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 19:39:25 ET
Posted by: Raven, DETo Vance "Sperm Burper" Kenneth: Why don't you get out ole' beloved Electrolux, this lover's eve, and give yourself the royal treatment. That might make things mo' better. Raven
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 16:45:17 ET
Posted by: vance kenneth, holding outdudes!
¿anyone ever use the email on the sd site to contact them and get a response?
i suggest that anyone, who is upset with their current oldies act, chime in there.
i suggest that you suggest that walter play bass on the new tour and that they get a guitar player to fill in for whatever he was pretending to do up there.
WALTER - GO TO YOUR MEETINGS! join the human race.
LOVE VANCE
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 16:23:16 ET
Posted by: Smelly the fermented, South of the revolutionOnegin? Sounds like a Pushkin sonnet to me...
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 16:14:48 ET
Posted by: Fermento The Smelly, Bottom of the canI do prefer Gilbert O'Sullivan to Gilbert and Sullivan. That's just the way the cookie crumbles... BTW, I also like cookies.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 13:58:30 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, do you know Carl LaFong?And a cool poem it is. Happy Valentine's day to all my Steely Dan lovers out there. xoxo
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 13:21:27 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area...a poem from DF at Lexi Says...
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 12:52:18 ET
Posted by: StupidPieceOfCrap,I remember when The Captain and Tennille opened for The Sex Pistols back in '77.
Lots of beer cans and hamburgers flying at that gig. Whew!
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 12:41:36 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, in the frozen rainWhat about
Press Rat & Warthog
Pixie & Dixie
Sandler & Young?
Some cheery words for this stormy Valentine's day.....
Lookin' back over my years
I guessed, I've shedded some tears
Told myself time and time again
This time I'm gonna win
But another fight, things ain't right
I'm losin' again
Takes a fool to lose twice
And start all over again
Tried to take control of the love
Love took control of me
'Cause you lose all thoughts, sense of time
And have a change of mind
Takin' the bumps and the bruises
Of all the things of a two-time loser
Tryin' to hold on, faith is gone
It's just another sad song
Think I'd better let it go.......
Looks like another love TKO
Now, have we got a head count for Mohegan Sun?
xoxoTKO
G
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 11:36:57 ET
Posted by: Reference Librarian, hoopsBC, Milo does indeed point out it is a pun on Gilbert & Sullivan. But have a 1/2 point credit for posting that on your own--I've done the same!
It's facinating to consider that "Do It Again," "Reelin'," "My Old School," and "Bodhisattva" were "new" when Get Down" and "Alone Again (Naturally)" were also on the charts. What is facinating is that, while the GS songs are quite good for what they are (poppy songs), the Steely Dan songs have taken on a certain timelessness for us Danfans. Most likely, the Gilbert O'Sullivan fans would feel exactly the opposite.
Peaches & Herb
Sonny & Cher
Beavis & Butthead
Frick & Frack
Click & Clack
Donny & Marie
Donny & Walty
jim
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 10:58:45 ET
Posted by: BC,Milo -
I wonder if the name Gilbert O'Sullivan is a contrived pseudonym.
Could the name be a combination of the names Gilbert and Sullivan?
Look at what they did with one Jerry Dorsey's name - he became Engelbert Humperdinck? Did you ever wonder why that name "worked"?
Ruminate on the last name awhile ...Humperdinck...Humperdinck...
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 10:13:42 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer SoundGilbert O'Sullivan (from Wiki)
Gilbert O'Sullivan (born Raymond Edward O'Sullivan, on 1 December 1946, in Waterford, Ireland) is a singer-songwriter, best known for his early-1970s hits "Alone Again (Naturally)", "Clair" and "Get Down".
Early in his life, his family moved to Swindon, England, where he attended St. Joseph's Comprehensive school. Here he began to develop an interest in music and art. At Swindon Art College in 1963, he met Rick Davies who would later become a member of the progressive rock band Supertramp. During these years, O'Sullivan experimented with songwriting, writing his first song, "Ready Miss Steady."
O'Sullivan signed a five-year contract with CBS in 1967. However, after two unsuccessful singles with CBS, and one with the Irish label Major Minor, he sent some demo tapes to Gordon Mills, the manager of Tom Jones and Engelbert Humperdinck, whereupon he signed with Mills' label, MAM Records. It was Mills who redesignated him Gilbert O'Sullivan, a pun on Gilbert and Sullivan, but the eye-catching visual image comprising pudding-basin haircut, cloth cap and short trousers, was O'Sullivan's own idea, reportedly hated by Mills but O'Sullivan insisted on going with it, at least for a couple of years, after which a more modern look took over in which he often wore a sweater bearing a large letter 'G'. At the end of 1970, O'Sullivan achieved his first UK Top 10 hit with "Nothing Rhymed", which reached No. 8 (No. 1 in The Netherlands), and enjoyed nearly five years of major success. This run incorporated thirteen more hit singles, six of which reached the UK Top 10, plus four Top 10 albums, including Himself (1971), Back To Front (1972), I'm A Writer Not A Fighter (1973) and A Stranger In My Own Back Yard (1974). In 1972 his international star raised, after his self-penned ballad, "Alone Again (Naturally)," a No. 3 hit in Britain, became a chart-topper in the U.S., spending six weeks at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and selling nearly two million copies there.
He also landed two consecutive UK chart toppers, with the songs "Clair" (1972); and "Get Down" (1973), which reached No. 2 and No. 7 respectively in America. However, things later turned sour, as O'Sullivan discovered his recording contract with MAM Records greatly favoured the label's owner. A litigation followed, with prolonged argument over how much money his songs had earned and how much of that money he had actually received. Widely reported in the media, this may have been the first high-profile case of its kind.[citation needed] Eventually the court found in O'Sullivan's favour, the judge describing him as "a patently honest and sincere man," who had been treated shabbily. He had won, but the court battle had put his recording career on hold.
Sometime before the case had come to court, he had returned after a five year chart absence in 1980, with a new contract with his old label, CBS. The first single of the new contract - "What's In A Kiss" - reached No. 19 in the UK. But then the hits completely dried up, and due in part to the court case, O'Sullivan released no new material between 1982 and 1987. Apart from a minor hit single in 1990 and a compilation album in 1991, O'Sullivan was absent from the charts until another compilation album returned him to the Top 20 in 2004. For years O'Sullivan spoke in a bad light about his fall from fame, once saying that "no-one cares" what he has to say anymore, until the internet came along and he got in contact with some fans on his website.
However, O'Sullivan continues to record and perform to the present day, and enjoys some success in Japan.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 10:04:48 ET
Posted by: Alkali, snowboundHey Steel heads,
Well, I haven’t posted in a while.
Been busy helping the wife and her cousin set up their new business.
And as most of you have probably heard by now, we’ve got ice and snow coming down in the new city of York.
And so, I’m snow bound watching the traffic from high above creeping, slipping and sliding towards their destinations.
Firstly let me say that I missed all of the casino shows thus far but intend to catch the boys when they make their way to Wallingford and Uncasville in May.
Although I must say, the set lists do anything but inspire.
It’s the same old radio friendly shtuff that they’ve been doing for what seems like forever.
Come on boys, try digging a bit deeper!
Someone mentioned Gilbert O'Sullivan, is this person related to the song writing team of Gilbert and/or Sullivan?
Huh?
Also SIGGY posted:
“Willow Tit
Buff-brown with a black cap and bib.
Genus/species Poecile montanus
Length: 12 cm (4½")
Wing Span: 17-18 cm (7")
Weight: 9-11 g (¼-½ oz)
Breeding Pairs: 25 000
Present: All Year
Status: Red”
You’ve just described me to a T, do we know each other, are you my X, and was I your Holy-man at some point?
Just curious.
Well, I should get back to looking out the window.
Laters.
A
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 09:50:35 ET
Posted by: probably not Craig,
I had with you Sigmund! I ask a simple question and you give me stupid verse. Now you got me thinking of my momma.
Any words of wisdom for today..Valentines Day?
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 01:16:46 ET
Posted by: Siggy, the aviaryYah, yah they are both birdies. The "tit" part an Old English euphemism for something schmall.
Date: Wed, February 14, 2007, 00:03:53 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, MalibuARTIST: Gilbert O'Sullivan
TITLE: Ooh Wakka Doo Wakka Day
Lyrics
I want to tell you, I might as well do
About a girl I met back in May
Her name is Rita and you should see her
And she goes Ooh wakka doo wakka day
She's got a brother like any other
Who got his nose caught inside a gate
And when they freed him, it so relieved him
He just went Ooh wakka doo wakka day
You wouldn't think to look at me
That I was strong
But underneath it all, I really am
And just to prove it, why;
Only the other day
I picked a needle up with one hand
Now, up in Bradford a chap named Radford
While taking part in a local play
Was intercepted and then suspected
Of going Ooh wakka doo wakka day
Hey, hey...
Who's that lady I saw you with?
It was not your wife
It looked to me suspiciously
Like someone I have never seen before in my life
Doo-doo doo-di-doo ...
It's not suprising when you come to think of it
Just what it is that makes people swear
You only have to sing about bleepin' thing
And there'll be bleeping ev'ry-bleeping-where
Now, if you love me, you're not above me
And if you don't, well, what can I say
Except we'll see when you come to tea, then
You can go Ooh wakka doo wakka
Ooh wakka doo wakka
Ooh
Wakka doo
Wakka day
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 22:45:51 ET
Posted by: bikemann, NJAny relation to the titmouse??????????????????
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 21:59:03 ET
Posted by: Denise, MauiThis board is often strange, but never boring.
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 21:55:46 ET
Posted by: Siggy, my book of remediesIt's a little birdie, silly.
Willow Tit
Buff-brown with a black cap and bib.
Genus/species Poecile montanus
Length: 12 cm (4½")
Wing Span: 17-18 cm (7")
Weight: 9-11 g (¼-½ oz)
Breeding Pairs: 25 000
Present: All Year
Status: Red
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 20:40:54 ET
Posted by: universal life force,Hey that was pretty good!
Let's give Horst a hand! And salutations to Siggy! Although I still don't know what a "titwillow" is the song was still pretty wiggy!
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 20:29:02 ET
Posted by: Siggy, polishing up the handle of the big front doorARTIST: Gilbert and Sullivan
TITLE: Tit-Willow
Lyrics
[Mikado]
On a tree by a river a little tom-tit
Sang "Willow, titwillow, titwillow"
And I said to him, "Dicky-bird, why do you sit
Singing 'Willow, titwillow, titwillow'"
"Is it weakness of intellect, birdie?" I cried
"Or a rather tough worm in your little inside"
With a shake of his poor little head, he replied
"Oh, willow, titwillow, titwillow!"
He slapped at his chest, as he sat on that bough
Singing "Willow, titwillow, titwillow"
And a cold perspiration bespangled his brow
Oh, willow, titwillow, titwillow
He sobbed and he sighed, and a gurgle he gave
Then he plunged himself into the billowy wave
And an echo arose from the suicide's grave
"Oh, willow, titwillow, titwillow"
Now I feel just as sure as I'm sure that my name
Isn't Willow, titwillow, titwillow
That 'twas blighted affection that made him exclaim
"Oh, willow, titwillow, titwillow"
And if you remain callous and obdurate, I
Shall perish as he did, and you will know why
Though I probably shall not exclaim as I die
"Oh, willow, titwillow, titwillow"
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 19:40:14 ET
Posted by: Probably Not Craig,Sigmund
What the fuck is a titwillow?
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 18:18:51 ET
Posted by: Horst , in military time...Wasn't this a Donald Fagen tune? Mama used to sing it...
Haben sie gehort das Deutsche Band
Mit a bang
Mit a boom
Mit a bing-bang bing-bang boom
Aaah, haben sie gehort das Deutsche Band
Mit a bang
Mit a boom
Mit a bing-bang bing-bang boom
Russian folksongs und French Oo-la-la
Can't compare with a German Oom-pah-pah!
Ve're sayin'...
Haben sie gehort das Deutsche Band
Mit a zetz, mit a zap, mit a zing...
Polish polkas, they're stupid und they're rotten
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that
Schweigen-reigen-schone-schutzen-schmutzen sauerbraten!
[Key change]
Ve're sayin'...
Haben sie gehort das Deutsche Band
Mit a zetz, mit a zaaaap, miiiiittt a zzzzzzing...
It's ze only kind of musik
Zat ve huns und our honeys
Love to sing!
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 18:16:47 ET
Posted by: Joey," ....It's so great they want to go out and continue performing like this. It's been 14 years since they've been back. Every time they take the stage, say what you will about the little flubs here and there, mostly with Donald's wordburgers, they remain the most professional outfit I've ever seen anyway. Yes was good, Emerson Lake & Palmer were pretty awesome, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Joni, King Crimson. McCartney is good, Van is good, Boz is up there but these guys lead the tightest true orchestra around. Ellington good, oh my heresy. Every guy up there is a big hitter, actually Donald and Walter are the weakest links, I'm not denigrating them, just pointing out how polished the rest of the crew is. The new mix of the girls and Jeff Young was a small stroke of genius. If you do have any of the live boots we're not suppose to talk about, you can hear how tight Carolyn and Cyndi are and how much muscle Jeff provides and NEVER is he obvious. That's a great and generous vocal ensemble. Nobody sticks out, everyone is serving the song. OK, so they play Kid Charlemange and My Old School too much but they always do them to a turn. And whenever they play AJA, we witness how a song can sometimes be more than just a song, it's an experience that takes you inside yourself, that reveals things about yourself that maybe you didn't even know. "
My fellow Steelian Brothers & Sisters .........
Did all of you read the above paragraph ?!
DID YOU READ IT ....?!
Now that is Postin' my friends .
P.O.S.T.I.N.'
Lovely !
Joeykins
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 18:01:48 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, on the counterHorst, mein boy, you must schtopp diss unhealthy fixzation on your late Momma.
Vhat about dat nize sturdy girl down zee schtreet, the languid, bittersweet one?
And tell Cook to bring schmeelling zalts, Brunhilda passed out. She's fearing the monkey in mein zoul.
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 17:43:02 ET
Posted by: Horst , the pantryPapa, schtopp kallink me those names, you are giving me the komplex.
Brunhilda! The Doktor vants you upschtairs, bring da butter! Den you gonna tell me everything you did for my clinical notes.
Mein poppa is an horny old goat. Psychiatrist mein assen, he isht pervert.
Achh, I am missing my mommy...
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 17:26:54 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CTI have to agree with this Girl Margaret on Rod. He has totally lost it.
My mother has that Songbook! LOL!. She doesn't even know "Do You Think I'm Sexy" or "Passion" or even better "Losing You"
Anyway I don't post a lot here but read everyday and I hope I can meet some of you this spring. I know I will be at the Wallingford, CT show.
Mark
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 17:25:17 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, the labVhat isht reality? Ezpecially in a strange place like diss? Vhere are vee anyway? It's very blue in here? Horst! Vhere is dat boy? Horst, you scheissen dumpkoph! Tell that new blonde German shtruudle from the kitchen to get her tooshy up here! I need a foots rub. Achh dulieeba, dat boy is a Teutonic titwillow. He listens to Rod Stewart unt David Hasslehoff. Vhat a putz...
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 17:14:09 ET
Posted by: here, we go againanother pissing contest...
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 17:12:44 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYJosey - I didn't mean the Great American Songbook is crap, no no no! Just Rod's treatment of it is crap, IMHO. But I haven't been a huge fan of anything Rod's done since "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy." Maybe it's just me, I think he lost his edge.
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 16:34:56 ET
Posted by: We know, hereme is a HE
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 16:30:25 ET
Posted by: universal life force,Uh... who is "me"?
Man, that's like a profound question isn't it?
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 16:25:03 ET
Posted by: Grow some balls, "me", we KNOW who you areIf you are so sure of your information, me, why the hell don't you use your own name? Why so hypersensitive these days? It's NOT all about "you."
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 14:17:00 ET
Posted by: Brutus C.,Hello "me, here":
Greg PLAYED the piano solo on "Ruby" so how could that've ticked Don off?
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 13:29:11 ET
Posted by: black-balled,How do you mean Greg was "black-balled"?
Greg has been having quite an excellent career, working closely with Herbie Hancock, for example.
Donald and Walter don't work with almost anyone from the 20th century records anymore, including Roger Nichols and Gary Katz. Is everyone from the old days simply on the black-ball list?
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 12:39:18 ET
Posted by: me, hereGlamour Profession had a piano solo by Rob Mounsey. And Greg Phillinganes was blackballed after pissing DF off for saying in interviews that he ripped of the Kinks on his Ruby Baby solo.
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 12:30:20 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/maand the question part of that...question.... is why?
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 12:29:49 ET
Posted by: chris , nh/maHere's a question - no piano solos on a Steely Dan album since Black Cow, and none on a Fagen record since Ruby Baby.
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 10:05:08 ET
Posted by: Newark, Star Gazing in MDOldbunny, so you've been star gazing, egh? Neat blip for Willlee. He seems pretty cool--extensive discography. Right--on his site there's a pic of Donald and him, around pic. 57. ROFL!
http://www.willlee.com/scrapbook.php?os=48&ti=68&next=1
This calls for a listening of Nightfly this morning! Keep the goods coming--appreciate the fresh info.
Congrats for each and every individual contributing to Morph the Cat. What a gem--I'll have to hear that next.
Oh well, what's wrong with putting on the whole triology in a snow storm? Then some Whack, perhaps.
takerezy, Newark
Date: Tues, February 13, 2007, 08:31:28 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,Congratulations Nightfly alum Will Lee, who won a Grammy on Sunday for his work with Randy Brecker. Will can be seen performing with the CBS Orchestra on Late Show with Dick Letterman. (He's "Dick" now for being such a poor sport about the Colts win.)
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 21:58:09 ET
Posted by: me, hereSeneca casino website says tickets go on sale Feb 16
http://www.senecaniagaracasino.com/seneca-events-center.cfm#steely_dan
Ticketmaster is saying Feb 21
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 19:51:22 ET
Posted by: universal life force,Deacon Blues isn't their later music.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 19:48:50 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, re acoustic guitarI hear the acoustic guitar plenty in almost gothic, deacon blues.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 19:40:23 ET
Posted by: universal life force,The early SD sound made use of the acoustic guitar, but I don't hear it in their later music. Why?
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 17:59:49 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandRajah - don't have your personal email. Zip one to me, if you don't mind.
Girl Margaret - I know you're young, but do ya really want to call the Great American Songbook "crap"?? Or were you just referring to Rod's treatment of it as crap?
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 15:49:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah, this is greatIt's so great they want to go out and continue performing like this. It's been 14 years since they've been back. Every time they take the stage, say what you will about the little flubs here and there, mostly with Donald's wordburgers, they remain the most professional outfit I've ever seen anyway. Yes was good, Emerson Lake & Palmer were pretty awesome, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Joni, King Crimson. McCartney is good, Van is good, Boz is up there but these guys lead the tightest true orchestra around. Ellington good, oh my heresy. Every guy up there is a big hitter, actually Donald and Walter are the weakest links, I'm not denigrating them, just pointing out how polished the rest of the crew is. The new mix of the girls and Jeff Young was a small stroke of genius. If you do have any of the live boots we're not suppose to talk about, you can hear how tight Carolyn and Cyndi are and how much muscle Jeff provides and NEVER is he obvious. That's a great and generous vocal ensemble. Nobody sticks out, everyone is serving the song. OK, so they play Kid Charlemange and My Old School too much but they always do them to a turn. And whenever they play AJA, we witness how a song can sometimes be more than just a song, it's an experience that takes you inside yourself, that reveals things about yourself that maybe you didn't even know.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 15:44:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYA Fan - don't see Rod, see The Dan! 25 years ago (assuming I was 25 then) I'd go see Rod in a heartbeat, but with all this new Great American Songbook crap that seems to make the housewives swoon (with no disrespect to the housewives) and his latest atrocity that makes my ears bleed, I'd think twice about going to see him now. Unless of course you're a swooning housewife that loves that Great American Songbook series, in which case I say go for it. There's been all these commercials promoting his dates at Madison Square Garden like it was an invitation to meet God - "One last show TONIGHT DON'T MISS IT." Thanks I'll think I'll pass. Call me and my mom when The Faces get back together.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 15:33:07 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehThere was a SD newsletter that came out explaining about the addition of dates.
Will There Be More?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes, more dates will be added!
However ----
there will be no single posting
of a complete schedule this time.
Instead, dates will be announced
as we go along.
Given this rolling announcement schedule,
we will *not* send a newsletter every time
a new date is added.
This means interested fans should monitor steelydan.com
for the very latest on confirmed shows,
on-sale dates, and buy-ticket links.
Until Next Time...
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 14:57:24 ET
Posted by: Can't we get, all the dates at once?SENECA EVENTS CENTER AT
SENECA NIAGARA CASINO
AND HOTEL PRESENTS
STEELY DAN
NO REFUNDS/NO EXCHANGES
SAT JUNE 2 2007 8PM
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 14:45:24 ET
Posted by: Jesse, TorontoIt's on Ticketmaster. June 2nd in Niagara Falls, NY. Tickets are $75-100, and go on sale a week Wendesday. I'll be there!
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 14:01:13 ET
Posted by: Me, hereSteelydan.com is updated.
I know nobody would have checked if I didn't post that.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 13:59:36 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .Rod Stewart is at Mohegan the following night. Should I stay for that or follow SD to Wallingford?
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 13:44:09 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the TowerLive Nation also has SD at the Mohegan Sun on 5/17...tickets on sale Monday.
http://www.livenation.com/event/getEvent/eventId/254513/
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 13:39:27 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Towerhere's the website for the Chevrolet Theater...it says SD tickets go on sale 2/19 at 10AM EST
http://www.livenation.com/venue/getVenue/venueId/805
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 08:13:09 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Monday's suck - snow comingLocal radio station is already giving away tickets to the show on May 18th at the Chevrolet Theater in Wallingford, CT (formally the Oakdale Theater) They played there in 03. Rumors they are also coming to Mohegan Sun Casino. Although close to both Boston and this venue, they did play all three in 03
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 02:47:53 ET
Posted by: W1P, LAMorph the Cat beats out Valid Path for the best surround sound record. David Gilmour did not win for best rock instumental.
Date: Mon, February 12, 2007, 00:29:12 ET
Posted by: FYI,Michael Brecker was awarded a Grammy for Best Jazz Instrumental Solo for:
Some Skunk Funk
Michael Brecker, soloist
Track from: Some Skunk Funk (Randy Brecker w/Michael Brecker)
[Telarc Jazz/BHM]
Same recording also won a second Grammy for a Big Band Ensemble.
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 21:52:20 ET
Posted by: congrats, toWay to go Elliot Scheiner too
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 20:27:04 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, with admirationCongrtulations Donald, no one is more deserving of that win! You ARE the poetry man!
On the heels of that, I'm looking forward to the offerings of SD this spring! Wallingford is a cozy little venue, I've seen many shows there.
Anyway, to my surprise I actually heard Black Cow on commercial radio today, I felt like a teenager. However, when it was followed by "Don't Fear The Reaper," all I could say was........ouch.
Anyone going to the dogs at the Garden tomorrow?
woof
G
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 19:20:41 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,ehWHOOHOO!!!! Congrats Donald though I never doubted for a moment that Morph wouldn't win! Thanks for the news Chan.
Fife
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 19:09:58 ET
Posted by: Chan, BostonThis just in from the red carpet at the Grammy's:
Morph wins for Surround Sound!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 16:48:54 ET
Posted by: Denise, Maui vacationGreat news about the Boston shows, I'll be there...Sue, if you go to CT, let's get together! We'll find some other restaurant to sing in. So, Rajah & Gretchen, heading east?
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 16:40:32 ET
Posted by: TJ, DKThis is probably what she shoul have said:
Chris Willman
Music writer, Entertainment Weekly
Becker and Fagen made what I consider the pick of this litter, though I almost hope they don't win, just because I dread hearing everybody say, "Oh, of course the Grammys go to the old farts." Fact is, Steely Dan made an album that, par for their course, was wickedly funny, smart, and even — despite all the irony — touching and soulful in parts. The fact that they don't announce their subversiveness, much less make it their primary selling point, makes them much more subversive than Eminem.
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 16:38:13 ET
Posted by: TJ, DKGuess she had it coming:
5. Steely Dan. Such an incredibly bizarre and irrelevant choice. They're not on anyone's radar anymore. The album is fine, not great, but it's not timely. It's got that I'm-OK-you're-OK weird '70s attitude that doesn't fly today. It's a pale shadow of what they were, so it's kind of sad listening to it. They were a great band, but in 30 years they haven't budged from their old sound. How can that qualify for album of the year?
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 16:34:34 ET
Posted by: TJ, DKLorraine Ali:
"Steely Dan's gone back into hibernation (sorry, old-timers) and Eminem didn't come out with an album. Last year, the many nominations for the cantankerous white rapper made the Grammys seem "with it," and even added a bit of controversy to the mix (someone so mean can't win for best album!). Steely Dan's win fulfilled the Grammy promise of staying unflappably irrelevant--no one knew the 1970s group had even made an album in 2000. But with today's announcement of the 2001 Grammy nominees, the tune has clearly changed."
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 15:21:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,Donald and Walter are not show biz people. They're strange boys with a unique gift for fashioning song. They've had this shared sensibility for the great jazz masters since they were kids together. They carved out a niche and sold a lot of records behind it. The AJA album will be played long after any of us are around. They took it as far as it would go in the 70s, they both encountered personal problems, like most of us. Their return has been nothing less than fantastic and borderline magical. Let's enjoy them now, these guys are special, and guess what? So are we.
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 15:16:34 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, MalibuThink I found it.
By Lorraine Ali
Newsweek
Updated: 9:51 a.m. PT Feb 9, 2007
"When it comes to picking the best music, the Recording Academy’s voting members (all of whom are involved in the creative and technical processes of recording) have traditionally lagged two steps behind the average music consumer’s grandparents. In 2001, when Eminem and Radiohead were topping playlists, it was Steely Dan—a band that I was pretty sure broke up, overdosed or died in a plane crash around 1980—that won for album of the year."
I hear there's a bash In New Orleans
So long for now, we must be moving on...
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 15:00:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, MalibuAnother new post from "Lexilibby Says".
Another "slam the journalist" post.
This time it's "Ignorant Newsweek entertainment
writer Lorraine Ali".
Did she recently slam Don? Steely Dan?
The Bearsville show? Would like to know more.
I hear there's a bash In New Orleans
So long for now, we must be moving on...
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 14:34:56 ET
Posted by: Knows Worse,Hey Thanks - Just think. If D&W would have gotten off there asses in the prime of their careers and would have done the promotion thing, they wouldn't be "modest sellers" today. The damage is done.
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 14:28:16 ET
Posted by: hoops`,Excuse me, Bobbo, and a few others: I have provided the Blue now going on six years. I'm glad to provide it at my own expense and labor. It's definitely more than a few minutes a week and a couple of dollars a month.
Say what you want about bootleg policies for other sites or even your own. But I have my firm policy. Over the past 13-14 years I have found it to be very prudent and best for ALL of us as a community in the long run. It's not just about my preferences and what I like, although, given my commitment, that is clearly a factor.
I will write more when I have time later.
jim
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 12:44:35 ET
Posted by: T.R. Knight, Happy DayThe swinging door just shut!
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 09:41:23 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, HarroldtownMornin', Blue!
Hope everybody's alive and well and just the way I left 'em out there; I've been away for a while. Good to be home at last, I'm doing PRETZEL LOGIC this morning (overcast and quite cool here in North Texas this morning); Snake Traci is readying for her "day job," and I'm enjoying a fine french roast from Wally World...don't you just dig the Great Value brand name the most?!
I want to ring in on the Bootleg Skirmish, here: explained to me last year, en route to phase two of the Danfest, that some of us keep a sample or two (or, y'know, five or seventeen) of the shows we attend. 'Course, I was aware of this, having received a really fine collection of a few of the MORPH THE CAT tour tunes. She also explained "the deal" to me: SOME OF US COLLECT, AND MANY OF US TRADE-AND-SHARE. WE NEVER, EVER SELL CUTS FOR PROFIT, AND GENERALLY IT'S NOT MENTIONED OUT IN THE OPEN. Or something along those lines (I've learned so much from this fantastic woman about the inner workings of Dandom, no kiddin'.
So we'd have to contest the meaning of "out in the open," but the fellow who posted the "I've got recordings" message should neither be scorned nor preached to; HE WAS PERFORMING A SERVICE FOR US ALL. Now, I haven't heard any recordings from the current tour (though I'd love to--I've been away, did I mention?). If I wanted to, though, I'd hit the Blue and look for someone with the know-how and proper means to provide them...period. This is our space, and I don't see any loss or offense to the Dan, promoter(s), or the "bottom line."
And I don't mean to overvalue the 30 or so of us, here...sorry to get so long-winded on y'all; just my two cents' worth. And by-the-bye: who's doing New Orleans/Orlando? Take care, and I'll be in touch. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, February 11, 2007, 00:33:22 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, HoustonJamie Cullum was on Austin City Limits tonight. Check him out.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 23:50:46 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/maWell, the guy was implying that, if whoever gave us the dates was telling the truth he may be hindering ticket sales by listing two dates. I don't see that happening from 30 die hards -- hell, I plan to go to both nights in Boston, I'm sure others do as well.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 23:07:17 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, homeWhile 30 people here or there might not make a difference, just remember that Christianity (for better or worse) started with 12.
Disciples of Dandom. Who can deny that?
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 22:09:58 ET
Posted by: suedave, L-U-VTicket sales may not be affected by the "30" or so here on the blue...but we are the ones who care more than the masses put all together. You know that we had a lovely dinner for 15 fans the night after the Chumash show, and not all of us were accounted for. We did however treat the restaurant to a lovely and complete version of Haitian Divorce, for which we did receive a well deserved round of applause.
And my mother will be very excited SD is coming to Connecticut (95% of the time it means I'll be visiting) and I'm overdue for a visit.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 18:55:50 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/mahey thanks -- i doubt ticket sales will be affected by the 30 people or so who frequent the blue.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 18:52:29 ET
Posted by: chris, nh/mahey in the know, i hope you're right about those boston shows!
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 17:31:28 ET
Posted by: Hey thanks , bubabout 2-nighters --
For modest sellers like SD, one night is usually announced. Ticket sales are eyed for a little bit. If strong, a second night is added.
When it is widely assumed from the start there may be 2 nights anywhere, ticket sales split. Then either one or both nights are canceled, or promoters loose money and know better next time than to sign sd.
Nice work, friend.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 17:16:32 ET
Posted by: "In The Know", NYC, NYHere are the tour dates for May.
May 6th New Orleans, Louisianna
May 12th Orlando, Florida
May 18th Wallingford, Connecticut
May 24th Upper Darby, Pennsylvania
May 29th Boston, Massachusetts
May 30th Boston, Massachusetts
you will soon see dates added for NYC - 2 nights, DC, and maybe ATL.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 15:27:53 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CTMy friend and my best friend at that just heard that The Dan is coming to Wallingford, Connecticut on Friday May 18th.
Its a small venue but nice. The great thing for me is it being only 20+ miles from my house!!!
Can't wait!!
Mark
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 15:18:02 ET
Posted by: cah, ctDoes anyone have the tour dates for the 2007 winter tour? Thanks!!
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 12:06:37 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .Craig,
18 - 20 years old. Two of the funnest years of my life. I met some of my heroes, made a few really great friends, had my first serious female heartbreak, and got to hear some really cool baseball stories. People I met at Rod's:
Tony Oliva, Harmon Killebrew, Willie Stargell, Johnny Bench, Brooks Robinson, Wally Joyner, Mark MacLemore, Tony Fernandez, Ron"Papa Jack" Jackson, Jim Hill, Gene Washington.
When I met Tony O, I had broken my hand playing "hoops", in walks Tony O with this huge outstretched hand and it was all I could do to keep from screaming in pain when we shook hands.
If you still have my e mail, I can fax you a copy of the letter I mentioned earlier.
Sidenote, The Softball Longhorns upset the #3 UCLA Bruins Friday, 1-0. Hook em' Horns!!!!
Jason
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 11:06:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CARR Jas
And you were an 18 year kid while working for Rod?
How neat.
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 10:34:11 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .Pete,
Rod had a hitting school where he was the only hitting instructor. There was also baseball pitching where Jeff Holly was the instructor. Jeff played with the Twins back in the 70's with Rod. There were 4-5 softball pitching instructors, most notably, Connie Clark, from Cal State Fulleron who won the softball equivilent to the Heisman back in 1986. Connie is now the head coach of the University of Texas softball team(and the coolest person I know). My job would be to coordinate which cage the kids and instructors would use, feed balls into pitching machines, catch the above instructors students, and clean up when the day was done. The place was state of the art, if there is such a thing for batting cages. The cages were all dirt. The kids would pitch off mounds that were the regulation height and distance. Very messy, & hot but very cool. I have a great letter of recomendation from Rod if you have a fax #, I can shoot it over. Take care.
Jason
Date: Sat, February 10, 2007, 09:21:00 ET
Posted by: Raven, MDTo Trudat/bootlegs--you're a socilist and didnt even know its. You must be profoundly lonely. Wanna meet me in the Green 9 p.m EST, tonight, say, WORM Food? Raven
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 19:04:31 ET
Posted by: keith haring, downtown nychttp://steelydan.com/wbonnyc.html
the good ole days
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 15:23:13 ET
Posted by: True DAT,I couldn't agree more bootlegs! Great post. No wonder Morph didn't do much biz. It looks like no one was selling CD's over at Warners this last fiscal quarter! Did you see the fiscal report out today?!!!?
Warner Music Group Corp. Reports First-Quarter Results for the Period Ended December 31, 2006:
They made ONLY 18 million dollars!
Last year at this time they made 69 million dollars!
Jesus down 74%! You can't make a movie in Hollywood these days for
18 million. Warners is going folks and "little Audience" recorded
bootlegs are ONLY helping to sell records or downloads. Bootlegs help to "spread the music" and get new people interested in the band. Get with the program Becker and Fagen! This ship is going down.
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 14:17:51 ET
Posted by: Pete Fogel,RR Jas
I do remember VJ Lovero. It's a shame he passed at such an early age. I also heard through the years that Crew was an avid photographer What was your job at his hitting school?
The picture(s) of that women that crashed the stage at Soboba was taken with my cell phone. I have a rule that if it's going to be over 100 degrees when the sun goes down, I do not lug my camera around.
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 10:52:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Thanks ygk on Mose.I'll check them out
Wow the man stays busy
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 10:34:35 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York CItyMose Allison? Did somebody say Mose? I resemble that remark...
Anyway, Mose...records...there are many...the man, now comfortably in his 70s, plays over 300 gigs a year.
A Year.
Two times a year for a week at the Iridium here in Manhattan.
He is the envy of every pianist that's worth his salt.
Sage of the Tippo
Ever Since the World Ended
Local Color
Middle Class White Boy
ygk
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 08:38:37 ET
Posted by: bootlegs!,You're crying about Dan bootlegs in the age of the download????
Reality is that The Dan have lost about $3.73 from the existence of bootlegs of their material.
Please, grow up! The industry shot itself in the foot a long time ago - SD are among the smallest of "victims" from bootlegging.
They have much bigger issues to remain focused on than the theoretical damage done by any bootlegging! The whole industry is in the same boat.
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 08:28:57 ET
Posted by: Yeehaw - Tower Theater show!, anywhere I unwelcomeWow, the historic Tower Theater in Upper Darby announced on the official site is HUGE. What a great old theater with Rock history oozing right out the wallpaper. Donald's stop there in '05 was magic, and this Dan show will be too!
This will sell out in minutes!
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 00:16:01 ET
Posted by: SJK,The Levon Helm Band will play the Beacon on Saturday, March 17. Tickets on sale this morning, Friday, Feb 9 at 9 am NYC time. I wonder if DF will make an appearance...(???????) since it says ""With special and surprise guests!" Wonder who that could be.
Here'e the details:
ON SALE:
The Levon Helm Band
at the Beacon Theatre
March 17!
The longtime drummer for The Band, Levon Helm, has worn many musical hats throughout his long career, including multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, actor and producer. Levon Helm is a master storyteller in any genre and is considered one of the most talented musicians of his time.
The late '90s found Helm still making music in a new blues band called Levon Helm & the Barn Burners, with his daughter Amy on keyboards and vocals. After a battle with throat cancer in '96, Helm miraculously recovered his voice and was able to sing again. He began holding intimate concerts with various musical friends at his studio in Woodstock, calling them Midnight Rambles, samples of which were released as Midnight Ramble Music Session, Vol. 1 and Midnight Ramble Music Session, Vol. 2 this past year. The shows highlight Helm's legendary musical excellence combined with pure southern hospitality.
Don't miss The Levon Helm Band at the Beacon Theatre on Saturday, March 17!
Tickets go on sale TOMORROW, Friday, February 9 @ 9:00am.
http://www.radiocity.com/eventcalendar/eventprofile?page=eventviewpage&event_id=8001&s3871c13353173o16788t3877n35043e
Date: Fri, February 09, 2007, 00:10:32 ET
Posted by: hoops,Hi Bill from Pittsburgh! If you scroll down a bit to the posts from last weekend and earlier this week, I think most of your questions will be answered. It was Ollabelle for most of a set with Donald and Phobe joining Ollabelle (a gospel/country/bluegrass tinged band). The drummer and bassist was great but they were typical of that genre--not so much of Steely Dan or Fagen solo. They did a good job. DF played his FR. Phobe played guitar sometimes, and of course, Herington joined them on electric. Except a little sax on 2 or 3 songs, there were no horns. Interesting to hear songs like "Home At Last" without horns.
Great photos, Pete!
jim
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 22:21:51 ET
Posted by: moray eel, chiDemon-Song For My Father sounds great on a guitar.
m.e.
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 21:47:03 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .Pete,
Very cool photos. I was fortunate enough to have met the late VJ Lovero back in the late 80's when he was shooting for SI and the California Angels. I also hung out with Mitch Haddid(sp?) who shot for Don Russ. I aspired to be a sports photographer until I realized how competitive the field was and how easy the money on the railroad was. As an 18 year old punk ass kid, I was given a job to work for the great Rod Carew at his hitting school in Placentia, CA. Rod was also a very serious photographer with tons of equipment(all Nikon and Hasselblad). If I see you shooting the next drunk dancing queen at the next Soboba show, I'll introduce myself and buy you a beer. Cheers!
Jason
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 21:41:32 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,For those of you who were there, what was the lineup for the Woodstock shows? Did Donald play his Rhodes behind Phoebe Snow? Was there a second keyboard player during all of Donald's tunes? I see from their web site that Fiona McBain is a member of Ollabelle - I saw her a couple years ago backing former October Project singer Mary Fahl then doing her own set with the same backing band. We picked up her EP and she is very talented. Is she the only guitarist with them now? The rhythm section had to be pretty tight to handle the Nightfly tunes.
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 18:14:07 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,Those baseball pictures are great--but I DID expect to see a needle sticking out of McGwire's butt.
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 15:10:12 ET
Posted by: Pete Fogel,Fun time at the Bearsville show, good to see everyone. A special shout out to Oleander who helped revive a guy who passed out during intermission. Yes, there was a doctor in the house.
In addition to the pictures from the Friday show, I also added some photos I took while shooting for the New York Mets in 1999. The only relevance they have to Steely Dan is that the guy that hired me was a huge Dan fan. When I told him I had taken some of the pictures on their albums, I got the job.
http://metalleg.com
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 13:17:46 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Demon sloth -don't know about the end but that sounds like Rikki underneath...
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 11:01:45 ET
Posted by: Demon Sloth,Hey, listen to the end of this song and tell me what you think it sounds like: http://bayofpigs.com/mp3/hello.mp3
Date: Thurs, February 08, 2007, 10:08:28 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Hoops
"Tell me Something" has too much Van not enough Mose
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 23:30:01 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal PathSinger Frankie Laine dies at 93
http://www.insidebayarea.com/music/ci_5177436
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 22:43:53 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, HoustonGoing off a bit here but Ellington/Armstrong...The Sessions...one of the best, Louie playing and singing Ellington tunes with Duke on piano. Duke's Place and Azalea are classics
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 22:43:36 ET
Posted by: King of the World, as far as I knowJim, didn't know you were a Van Morrison fan. Saw him open for Little Feat in Austin in the mid-sevenites, and it was a night to remember, although, due to pharmaceuitcals beyond my control, there is much I can't remember.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 22:36:32 ET
Posted by: KD, on locationHartman/Coletrane's version of Lush Life is one of the few hair-on-end songs that get to me, every time, without fail. Others include Elvis' take on "Peace, Love and Understanding," "Snowbound," and "Deacon Blues."
For DVR/Tivo'ers, NYC PBS will be replaying the Strayhorn docu at 3am tonight.
Lens did a piece on P-Funk this time last year that was also great.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 22:31:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicagoRajah--actually I believe both those drummers are credited in the liners of the DE & JC album. I think one is associated with Duke and, of course, Elvin is associated with Coltrane. I will have to dig some more.
The vantage of the Strayhorn special is that Ellington didn't really back him up as much as people think he did and says Ellington took advantage of Strayhorn to an extent. Obviously, I don't know enough to agree or disgree with that vantage but it is interesting.
I keep watching this Lisa Nowak story and can't decide which Steely Dan lyrics are more appropo: those from "Everything You Did" or "My Rival." Maybe a re-worked "What a Shame About Me" could work. Bad me.
jim
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 19:25:32 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJAccording to TitanTV (my online guide I check for my local programming) Ch 12 WHYY out of Philly is apparently showing the Strayhorn documentary overnight at 3 AM (hour and a half).
Here's the TitanTV blurb...
______________________________________________________________________
INDEPENDENT LENS
BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE (New) 3:00 AM, 1 hr 30 min
Thu 02/08/2007
WHYY 12
Documentary/Other
TVPG, English, Letterbox, 2007
A profile of composer Billy Strayhorn, whose songs include "Take the `A' Train" and "Lush Life." Among those performing songs by Strayhorn: Elvis Costello, Dianne Reeves, Bill Charlap, Joe Lovano and Russell Malone.
______________________________________________________________________
...Check your local listings for air times in your area.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 19:13:36 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer SoundPete Townshend & John Entwistle were/are huge Mose Allison fans!
They were covering him way back in the 60's. They loved playing
"Young Man Blues". It doesn't get much better than the take on
"Live at Leeds".
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 17:22:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,If that Duke/Coltrane record is the one I'm thinking about from the early 60s then it had to have been Elvin. That would be the right timeframe for when he played with Coltrane at any rate.
Billy Strayhorn was openly gay in an era when that was not the thing to do. But he had Duke to back him up, so he had an advantage.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 16:31:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicagoMy awareness of Mose Allison was heightened with the project, "Tell Me Something: The Songs of Mose Allison." Released in 1996, the album is led by Van Morrison--many of you know he is up there near the Dan in my book--but also is co-credited to Georgia Fame and Ben Sidran, and, of course, Van Morrison. If you are a Vanfan, this might be your entry point to a great appreciation of Mose Allison.
Watched the Strayhorn documentary on PBS last night. I was most fascinated that he wrote "Lush Life" when he was SIXTEEN years old! WOW. The perspective on his relationship with Ellington was facinating. The local PBS station here in Chicago will re-broadcast at 2:30 am tomorrow morning (ie in about 11 hours from this writing).
Speaking of Ellington and Coltrane, "In a Sentimental Mood," their opener from "Duke Ellington and John Coltrane," is sublime. Does anyone know if it is Elvin Jones, Sam Woodyard or someone else who plays drums and if John Lamb plays bass on that? The tempo increases so steadily it's amazing. In my book, it's a milestone performance especially by the rhythm section.
jim
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 14:39:18 ET
Posted by: Craig B,Thanks Fezman and Rajah for the Mose tip
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 14:14:56 ET
Posted by: varangian mistress of old, west of varangiahttp://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/Varangians.html
Hooterie aint over
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 14:04:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from the Tower Theater...Viktor has a new post at Lexi Says...
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 12:57:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,CB - Atlantic relesed a "Mose Anthology" around 1970 which I bet is still around. The song selection is great but the recording sounds like it's behind a gauze curtain. Maybe they've cleaned it up by now. In an interview he said this was the only record he ever made money on. Unreal, the guy is a legend and the only way he could made money was, and continues to be, to tour around the country in jazz clubs.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 12:41:25 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Blues Beach
I was tooling around a certain internet auction site (rhymes with "He pays") and noted that two tickets for the Orlando show located in the 6th row of the balcony had several bids before someone exercised the buy it now option and paid $200 EACH for the two tix ($400, total). These tickets with all of the surcharges are less than $100, so here we are more than three months out and the tickets are already going for double face value. The tickets tied to seats at the Hard Rock sold out in 10 minutes, when they went on sale.
To me, its a testament to their longevity and popularity across generations.
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 12:04:50 ET
Posted by: fezman, bostoncraig, Try "the mose chronicles" vol.1 live in london 2000.....ray babbington on bass and mark taylor on drums
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 11:41:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,What would be a good all around Mose Allison CD to buy. I haven't listened to him since the early days (70's)
Great photos Pete!
Long live Steely Dan
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 05:42:30 ET
Posted by: Lost Friend, Out ThereHey Raj. Nat K Cole was singing about you bro
Date: Wed, February 07, 2007, 02:19:56 ET
Posted by: Hands up,
'...maybe one has bootlegs, but how can some be so shameless about it when the people who make the music you love do not like it? How can boots be rationalized almost as if they are an entitlement? '
Steely Dan didn't get to where it is without an audience. No audience, no career. We're not without a place in the equation, and I don't feel shame.
That said, I've been happy to pay for the commercial releases and concert tickets. And if they decided to make money on live recordings as well, I'd pay for those.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 23:11:07 ET
Posted by: Subterranea, Workin' in a Coal Mine
A personal favorite of "Mine" was a cover by DEVO, 12 inch (critical mix) in 1983. One of the earliest renditions of the Industrial music genre which emerged in the early to mid 1990's..
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 22:58:19 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in some small dive
Lush Life: Johnny Hartman & Trane- best version EVER of that song
but that's just my two bits...
had to comment, it's one of my faves, (morbidly) would love it played at my funeral...
any sooper dooper fans in St. Louis? On my way tomorrow, there's a Nino's close to where I'm staying, maybe I'll duck in...
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 22:08:38 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown deep freeze
Thanks for the PBS tip, Hoops, I will record that special.
Surfing DirecTV saw this...may be of interest to those going to the NO Jazz Fest:
Chris Isaak's Guide to Jazz Fest
Tips on where to stay and what to do in New Orleans during the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival.
Channel: 232 FINE Air Time: Sunday, February 18 5:00 PM EST
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 21:20:42 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago where it was actually much colder than Bearsville this past weekend
Perhaps this is the reason someone posted the Nat King Cole ref and "Lush Life" lyrics--I searched and searched the blue, maybe the following has been mentioned, but...
Tonight on PBS there is a special on Billy Strayhorn, which of course was so much a part of the music of Duke Ellington. There was also an interview with Ashley Kahn on NPR this morning discussing tonight's PBS special, which is titled, "Independent Lens: Billy Strayhorn - Lush Life." As a result of the NPR interview, I've had Nat's version of "Lush Life" "burning inside my brain" all day. "Lush Life" is a great tune, and, not unlike Steely Dan's lyrics on songs like "Peg," it's later your realize the song is pretty melancholy or sad.
Speaking of melancholy, the posts about the Bearsville audience recordings have left me feeling that way.
There's a lot of legitimate but conflicted vantage that I empathize with. Sounds like it wasn't very clear about the conflicting taping mores and policies of the various performers over the weekend.
Ollabelle says it's OK to tape and I can understand that's where they are coming from; I also know Donald Fagen doesn't like audience recordings of his performances. We've been around the block with the silly Rolling Stone taping on his cell, or that link about the "naughty ones" on sd.com back in '96, not to mention that post I first made back in 2001--the one about the black and white and the grey areas in between of audience tapings in the context of this site.
Ultimately, it's not so much about me and my preferences. I am very touched by those of you who commented about respecting the boots discussion preferences here. There are grey areas in between and one could argue this or that. But really, it's mostly about deferring to or attempting to honor Donald's preferences. Framed in the context of my 2001 post, maybe one has bootlegs, but how can some be so shameless about it when the people who make the music you love do not like it? How can boots be rationalized almost as if they are an entitlement?
Anyhow, I'm trying to dig a little deeper and find out what is the right thing to do in this situation, sending out some emails.
Rickie Lee Jones has a new one out today--"The Sermon on Exposition Boulevard." New material, although those of us on her mailing list had the opportunity to purchase a special edition of it. Mine came a few days ago. And it takes an interesting and cool spin on the words of Jesus. Check it out.
jim
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 18:31:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Somebody who likes Nat? Nice. He was great on that but I think Natalie may have bested him on it. Here's my favorite Nat, although he didn't write it, he just flat out owned it:
There was a boy...
A very strange enchanted boy.
They say he wandered very far, very far
Over land and sea,
A little shy and sad of eye
But very wise was he.
And then one day,
One magic day, he passed my way.
And while we spoke of many things,
Fools and kings,
This he said to me,
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return."
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 17:58:34 ET
Posted by: nat king cole, still dead
I used to visit all the very gay places
Those come what may places
Where one relaxes on the axis of the wheel of life
To get the feel of life...
From jazz and cocktails.
The girls I knew had sad and sullen gray faces
With distant gay traces
That used to be there you could see where theyd been washed away
By too many through the day...
Twelve oclock tales.
Then you came along with your siren of song
To tempt me to madness!
I thought for a while that your poignant smile was tinged with the sadness
Of a great love for me.
Ah yes! I was wrong...
Again,
I was wrong.
Life is lonely again,
And only last year everything seemed so sure.
Now life is awful again,
A troughful of hearts could only be a bore.
A week in paris will ease the bite of it,
All I care is to smile in spite of it.
Ill forget you, I will
While yet you are still burning inside my brain.
Romance is mush,
Stifling those who strive.
Ill live a lush life in some small dive...
And there Ill be, while I rot
With the rest of those whose lives are lonely, too..
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 17:56:30 ET
Posted by: a little late, but still
http://www.steelydan.com/resolutions1.html
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 17:56:15 ET
Posted by: a little late, but still
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 16:26:57 ET
Posted by: Barney Fife, Floyd's
Aja? Well, gooldern if that ain't my favorite of all times! Shoot I remember back in 77 I was recovering from a real bad case of the ricketts over to Mount Pilot Hospital and Goober came to see me with that Aja record. Dang boy, we played that thing till it was all wore out on my Close n Play. Only good memory I have of that fall, tarnation, dang blasted ricketts left me with little hitch in ma get-along to this day. Oh but I loooved that record, especially,
when Josie comes home
so bad,
she's the best gal we ever had,
she's the real dame,
the live wire,
plays on ma boner with her eyes on fiya
I wisht ah still had that album cover, it was finer than frog hair, lemme tell ya.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:40:58 ET
Posted by: angel,
That would be the cover of Aja.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:35:26 ET
Posted by: Bored, Pretending to Work
"Less known was Hartman's gift for art. He designed the logo for Crosby, Stills & Nash and album covers for Steely Dan, among others"
After re-watching NewsRadio from the 90's, I was searching a little for info on Phil Hartman. Came across the above comment ... can anyone validate this? Did Phil Hartman design or help to design a Steely Dan album cover? If so, which?
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:24:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm seeing where Allen Toussaint thought enough of him to produce some of those 60s records. Did he do "Get an Ugly Girl to Marry You?" Now that was funny.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:18:26 ET
Posted by: Barney Fife, Mayberry
Floyd, if you would keep your mind outta the gutter and stick to your barbering, I might get a better haircut. Now what did you do with my sideburns?
Now men, I have just one thing to say, this isn't gonna be kid's stuff and you'll be on your own and there will be no mollycoddling.
Nip it in the bud!
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:13:45 ET
Posted by: Milo , Meyer Sound
PS - Lee Dorsey is the shit Rajah!!!!! "4 Corners Part 1&2" and "Go-Go Girl" is some dirty funk. Greasy as it gets!
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:06:12 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Nobody was "sneaking" anything into Bearsville last weekend.
There was no security check. People were openly shooting
all they wanted from what I understand. You know, hoopsie
is a big boy people. He always has done a fine job of "policing"
his own site. He doesn't need a bunch of Barney Fifes.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 15:03:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah, is it safe yet?
How bout that choice of Working in a Coal Mine? What a shocker. Anybody remember Lee Dorsey? He wrote gimmick songs I guess you might call them. That was his biggest. He also wrote Ya-Ya which John Lennon covered. The songs had no formal structure to speak of, Coal Mine is little more than a chant looping around a few times. Really like to know how Donald came to like this ditty enough to do it for people. It's a little off the wall, whacky even.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 14:54:08 ET
Posted by: William, NYC
Awesome shots Pete! Those are some incredible shots of Donald!
Milo, the difference between Pete and all of the other photographers/bootleggers is that Pete gets permission from the band to do this. If you look at his website he's been shooting Fagen/Steely Dan for the last 20 years! His pictures of the band have been used on albums and in magazines. Don't lump Pete in with the fans that are sneaking their cameras in underneath their coats.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 14:38:45 ET
Posted by: KD, on location
Greg, you don't have to be crude about it. "Go shove it?" You're better than that. Act like an adult.
Those who know what they're doing already acquired that show the usual way. We're just looking out for Hoops.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 14:21:37 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Thanks for the photos Pete! Spectacular as usuall. Guess Pete is not worried about Donald's hired goons kicking his ass for sharing.
Uh, KD?????
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 12:26:32 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, 4 miles from the Tower Theater
Pete Fogel has posted some great shots from last weekend's concerts:
http://metalleg.com/df2007.htm
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 12:25:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
My apologies Blue
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 11:49:27 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, thanks
Thanks folks. The support has been overwhelming. The few hypocrites on this board should indeed give back their Gaucho Outtakes and everything else. You hear that, assholes? Go shove it.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 10:41:32 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, work break
Across the driveway from Bearsville Theatre is WDST radio, the sponsor of the event. I would be amazed if they didn’t tape the show for later broadcast. I looked at my ticket and on the ticket face there was no warning about cameras, recording or videotaping. On the back of the ticket in microprint, there was a generic message about the use of cameras and recording devices were up to the discretion of the venue. I think at this stage of Donald’s career he would be more concerned as to why a masterpiece like Morph The Cat sold squat and except for engineering, was totally ignored by the Grammys.
I agree that we need to be respectful of Hoops and the mission statement of this website. He puts a lot of money and time into keeping this site up and running for us. As KD pointed out, there are a lot of other trading sites to get live material. I might have jumped the gun by posting a link to some pictures of Woodstock and the Friday night Bearsville show. I was only looking to share the great vibe of the weekend with other Dan fans.
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 10:35:43 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Gina, that's a kickin' version of Black Cow.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 10:31:30 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Gina - that is one damn fine version of Black Cow!! Thanks for the link!
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 10:26:14 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, NY
Craig B: As I understand, while the recordings themselves may be discussed on the Blue, specific means by which one may obtain recordings should not. Shoot me a private email.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 10:15:51 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
So what does a person have to do to get a look/listen of last weekends show?
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 09:14:06 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
re: Erwin Musper is a Dutch producer who lives in Cincinnati for quite some time now. He is from my hometown and i was a fan of his band Partner once. he produced some heavy rock n roll cats and still hasn't lost his touch when it comes to smoother stuff like ...
Black Cow. this he recorded with friends, for the fun of it.
(He knew Cornelius Bumpus and visited with him backstage often.)
If we were to make another Banyan Trees compilation disc, he said, maybe this version of Black Cow could be on/in it...?
we'll just let it all simmer....
http://www.myspace.com/studiothebambooroom
cheers
G.
and Greg, others.. haven't had time to check on the pics and such yet, but THANKS for SHARING, especially for those who, like me, live all across the big pond and in these internet days are able to witness some of the fun because of people like Greg and Mark taking pics and sharing it. and where taping is concerned, ditto.
it's all pretty harmless and even though i do understand some of the artist's take in all of this, you have to wonder what music, making music is all about, bottom line. it's not like those who paid for tickets and attended got a far worse deal than those who catch a glimpse of things happening...
anyway, real curious if they will make it to Europe, eventually.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 07:49:22 ET
Posted by: George Wettling,
I don't think it's nice to continue referring to Donald as a "tapir." No, he's not the most handsome guy in the world, but a "tapir?" That's going too far. Stop it.
Date: Tues, February 06, 2007, 03:19:48 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Damnit!
I misspelled conclusion.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 23:44:19 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Unbelievably Sunny & Warm Malibu
CAME FOR THE FAGEN, STAYED FOR THE SNOW!!
Phoebe Snow that is! And the "other" snow.
But Phoebe gave us some sweet "Shelter" cuts.
Two great shows, though I really missed
the horns. That being said, Donald's intro
into "Nightfly" was warm as a breeze blowing
through a Florida Room. The stripped down sound
really started to grow on me after a while though.
And thank God for Jon Herington. Friday was a trip.
Made the mistake of playing my Paul Whiteman with Jack
Teagarden and Bing Crosby CD while driving in white out
conditions(I've been on a Paul Whiteman jag since visiting
Hearst Castle). With that music, a peaceful drive turned
into the "Shining". When I got to the bar at Bearsville
I almost asked the bartender, "How's my credit Lloyd?".
But I shook off the chill and thought better of it.
I agree that Friday's show was on fire. Anyone who drove
up in that mess was a Die Hard. And I think the band
knew that. There were quite a few empty seats around my
area. Oh my Miss Phoebe! Incendiary. I last saw her in
92 with the NYRNSR. But man. Dirty Work, what can I say,
she rivaled Bonnie at Shoreline that is for sure. Sweet.
It was cold both nights, but it was hot in Bearsville.
Though it was nice to come home to Sunny LA to 85 degrees
yesterday and 89 today. Thanks for the "souvenir" Greg.
I'll have to track that down. There were cameras - video and
still all over the place on Friday night. Donald and Phoebe
had to know people were taping. They would have surely
put the "Kuleebash" on that Saturday night if they were not
cool with it. It was a "personal media" event.
The broadcast was over, our featured friends were gone
I hear there's a bash In New Orleans
So long for now, we must be moving on...
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 23:24:35 ET
Posted by: Hands,
You have to become some sort of torrent devotee or pile a lot of energy into collecting in some other way to get things the band doesn't want you to have. And yet everyone either has it or wants it.
At the end of the day, I want stuff. I want the whole SD/WB/DF picture but I have to struggle to get it. I've put a lot of money into the same official releases done three or four different ways. I'm not feeling too guilty. Never mind concert tickets, etc. Now, if it were easier to get the other stuff, there wouldn't be any kind of black market of people who were willing to pay for it. And is that what bothers the band ? That other people make money on what they won't release ? The solution is simple - release stuff. Otherwise, people are left to their own devices, even on this site.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 23:11:16 ET
Posted by: What I wanna know is..,
How hoops got to Bearsville and which airport he used, if he got a good price on tickets??
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 22:55:25 ET
Posted by: KD, on location
Hands, I have a whole bookshelf full of boots from this band, and I have no problem with having copies of songs they're not comfortable with us having.
You don't go on Hoops' website handing them out, though. You just don't.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 21:13:41 ET
Posted by: Show of hands,
Alright, who is giving back their Gaucho outtakes ?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 19:29:55 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
A few relevant (?) questions:
1. Did it say anywhere on the ticket "No taping", or "No recording devices" or some other such language?
2. Was there any signage at the venue with similar verbiage?
3. Did the board operator say it was okay?
4. Did the band's representative say it was okay after fact, (knowing full well what show was being asked about)?
Draw your own conlcusions. I wasn't trying to rationalize anything, or say it was right or wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know about anybody's rig, (mic poles or anything else). I was just taking the leap of faith, (read: assumption), that if taping was not strictly prohibited, why hide your gear? I also didn't say that 'Don "has to be aware" of OB's taping policy', I was merely asking a question. For the record though, I do think it's naive to think that he wouldn't know.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 19:21:32 ET
Posted by: Thanks Greg,
Music is meant to be heard, it's not just a damn commodity to be protected.
As sweet as it is that people are protecting Donald's feelings about live tapes, there is no money being lost to him here.
Those who couldn't attend would love to hear the show. It was not forbidden to tape the show, hidden mics or not.
Thanks Greg for being excited about an excellent concert and wanting to share your good fortune.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 18:13:45 ET
Posted by: KD, on location
I love the rationalizations, too. Donald Fagen filmed a cruddy, five-second clip of Sir Mick prancing about, and that puts him in the same boat as someone surrepticiously taping a half-Donald Fagen show, then emailing the unsigned (borderline opening act, though I love what I hear from Ollabelle) for consent to put THEIR show out there, and instead putting the whole thing out there -- because Don's technically supposed to be a guest.
And Don "has to be aware" of OB's taping policy? Come on. The Dan camp has worked their ass off to try and stop numerous bit torrent sites from swapping boots, and he's going to go "fuck it" just for this one show?
Take a step back, Greg. The Steely Dan camp has never encouraged taping, and they're not going to start now. I mean, Walter Becker is the guy that destroyed all those prime early 70s live Dan tapes in the 80s because he thought they were substandard.
Trade and swap Ollabelle all you want. What I've heard so far has been great. But -- as much as I wish I could have been there, and would love to hear Don play -- you don't need to put Hoops in this sort of position. There are hundreds of trading/taping/swapping sites out there to discuss this. Go there.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 18:03:22 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
When DF recorded Morph The Cat, he was aware that any mid priced PC could make a flawless CD copy for pennies, and he proceeded to record and release it anyway. So therefore it's OK to copy it.
I love the rationilizations on here.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 18:00:20 ET
Posted by: What?, mic poles?
That's funny, I didn't see one "mic pole" on Friday night. It was more like people hiding tape recorders between there legs. You guys are in denial when it come to Fagen/Steely Dan's policy on boot legging.
Case closed.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 17:35:22 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, word
Eric, i think you hit the nail on the head
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 17:34:17 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Oh by the way,the show sat nite was great and the dinner prior even better,thanks for the company,gretchen,girl margaret,fife and frank,hoops,et al,also there was a super cell phone connection of 73 cells connected by wires to one another throughout the venue anyone with info on when this tape will be available let me know also special thanks to the three ladies in tank tops for holding up the 9 bose recieving mikes i now have a new appreciation of the game "twister"
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 17:13:09 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, C'mon now
Let's see if I got this straight:
Amy Helm is Donald Fagen's step-daughter. Ollabelle is her band. Yet some of you believe he would be unaware of their liberal taping policy. The same some of you believe he would take the stage with them in a place small enough to see every mic pole in the place from the stage and be completely oblivious to the fact that somebody is recording his portion of the show. And then do it again the next night.
Have I got that right?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:40:53 ET
Posted by: True DAT,
Of course I can't speak for Pete Fogel. Pete Fogel is a class
act. You have all the class of turd that won't flush.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:35:47 ET
Posted by: Not Pete, But....
True Dat- I can't speak for Pete Fogel but I'm sure he would tell you that THE PREMIER Steely Dan website is Steely Dan Dot Com. He would probably also tell you to go fuck yourself :)
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:30:34 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Donald's extended family
Don't know if this was posted but here's an interesting "family tree" of the Woodstock players:
http://thrnewmedia.com/assets/levon2.pdf
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:11:28 ET
Posted by: True DAT, This side of "Haterville"
Thanks for the show Greg. As someone who couldn't go I really appreciate it and any photos that people took. Besides FAGEN is a
TAPER! We discussed this last November!
>>Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 00:13:37 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Coming Out of Lurkerdom
I still don't
know why hoops won't let us talk about trading bootlegs.
I mean, Donald Fagen - IS A TAPER!!!!!
Exhibit A: From the San Francisco Chronical March 26, 2006 -
"Wanna see something funny?" Fagen says, waving his cell phone overhead. "I went to see the Rolling Stones at MSG recently, and I had seats right next to the stage, and look!" He punches a button, and a muffled video starts playing of Jagger prancing onstage.
"That's my Mick Jagger film," Fagen sighs, flipping the device closed."
Exhibit B: Donald Fagen's Madison Square Garden 2006 Rolling
Stones Ticket that CLEARLY states on the ticket-
"NO AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDING ALLOWED"!!!!!!!!!!!
Now come'on Brother Pete Fogel. Why not share that killer
"Dr. Wu Soundcheck" video you have! We know you got it brother!
If this is THE PREMIER Steely Dan website, lets be able to talk
and trade freely, after all, Donald Fagen is a TAPER!!!!!!
Anything else is pure hypocrisy.<<
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:09:40 ET
Posted by: Greg, ...
KD, you should take a lesson from Fezman.
To me, "the right thing" was making a bunch of fellow fans happy to relive the show, or hear it for the first time - ones who were too far away to enjoy it. It is a selfless joy as a fan of music that certainly wont last forever. There really is nothing sinister here.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 16:01:35 ET
Posted by: The Truth, hurts
Hey Moonspank - If Fagen wasn't Amy Helms step father this show never would have happened. How many of us on the Blue Book would have traveled to Woodstock in the middle of the Winter to see Ollabelle if Fagen wasn't playing with them? Do you think that they would have sold out both shows in one day if the lead singer of Steely Dan wasn't in the lineup? This was done as a favor to Ollabelle So do Steely Dan fans really "indeed care about the other stuff?" Not really. So stop trying to justify boot legging Steely Dan material How sad that you don't realize that!
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:57:35 ET
Posted by: KD, on location
Wait, Greg, you taped Fagen's part of the show? That's not going to work. He may, technically, be a "guest" of Ollabelle, but you know better. The Dan camp has put the kibosh on just about every form of tape/trading they can -- I'm not cool with it, but it is WELL within their rights as artists to try and stop unofficial live releases from hitting the internet.
Tape/showcase/release Ollabelle all you want. But once Donald (and Phoebe, for that matter) takes to the stage, all bets are off. You need their permission -- and if you can't get it, then you shouldn't be releasing this stuff. That's just how it is, and you know better. The way you made it sound (in your email to Ollabelle) made it sound if you were just taping/releasing their show without Don and Phoebe. Did you ask them if it was cool to release the Fagen part of the show too? That seems to me like you're asking the right questions, hoping to get the right response.
Come on, man. Do what's right.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:56:27 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
A simple solution to the record/pic situation,use your conscience to guide you.I cannot tell you how many rebuy's i do on the boy's cd's because i think its the right thing to do,that said i am not going to get my ball's in an uproar because someone else decides to record or take pictures at concerts,i have a few concert pics and have not needed to go to confession over it!!! lol,now you guy's take a deep breath and think about the music and goodtimes ahead for us all.....fezzie
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:49:38 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, need some back, folks
A Fan: Wow, you are attacking me too. How great! I posted a few video clips of the Westbury from a crumby digital camera (might have just as well been a cell phone) for the perusal of the good people who visit bluebook, and this is what i get! Tell me, did you view the clips, or were you too much of "A Fan" of the band to bring yourself to do it?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:44:25 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, man
Willie, maybe you should get with it here. People do indeed care about the other stuff. Now your shooting down Ollabelle, who put on the show and had some wonderful guests. How sad.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:29:09 ET
Posted by: Woodstock Willie,
Greg, buddy, get with it here. "Monitary" (and creatively) from the Steely Dan/Fagen stand point. I mean, does anybody really care about the other stuff?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:23:26 ET
Posted by: A Fan, .
Greg,
Didn't you have your videos of Westbury (Freebird) available online hours after the show? In other words, when have you ever cared about getting the artists permission?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:21:07 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, ?
Monitary harm from tapers???
Perhaps you misread Ollabelle's statement, which I will repeat, here:
"Hi Greg. We are very cool with tapers. I have tons of bootlegs myself and love 'em dearly. Are only usual request is that we love to have copies too if possible. We have a great library of taped shows from folks...really helps us grow as a band."
"Helps us grow as a band" does not sound like harm to me.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:17:21 ET
Posted by: Woodstock Willie,
Well Greg, I guess Ollabelle would have to answer this question. Sounds like they're a bit confused. A lot more harm (monetarily) could come from tapers than from a few still pictures.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 15:10:41 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
Woodstock Willie:
Intersting point. But to stir up additional controversy here regarding this topic may have the effect of stiffling discussion about the recording of the Ollabelle show. What are tapers supposed to do then, ask donald himself? Last I checked, his e-mail address was not public information. That's between Donald and Ollabelle. Ollabelle is a jam band; jam bands are taped ALL THE TIME and allow taping. Donald was Ollabelle's guest, end of story. Would you rather have had this show lost forever without any tapers or photographers. I counted at least 5 people--fans--with quality cameras right up in donald's grill.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 14:54:33 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, any news was good news
Just got word that Lady Bayside, hubby Jeff and big sis Alex have a new addition, a beautiful baby girl named Quinn, born 1/23/07. Congrats to all!
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 14:48:20 ET
Posted by: Woodstock Willie, Albany, NY
I find it very interesting that when Greg Moonspank wrote Olabelle they give him permission to tape the show. The reason I find that interesting is that I wrote the band and asked if picture taking was OK. They told me that I would have to get permission from Phoebe and Donald. It's hard for me to believe that DF gave permission for audience members to tape these shows. Why would I have to get permission to take a few lousy pictures when anybody could have recorded these two gigs? It doesn't make sense. I'm not sure Fagen knew about the taping. And if he did, I'm pretty sure from what I've read over the years that he wouldn't have been OK with it.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 14:17:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
For the Vegas gig, 300K. For the casinos, 200K.
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 12:58:55 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Well said Fife!!
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 12:53:54 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Greg--
Just getting caught up on the Digest; unaware of those circumstances so I will be gettting those posts (from the past 48 hours or so) back up ASAP in the next hour or so. Please look for a more detailed private email explaining things. Thanks for your patience, not to mention contacting the band.
jim
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 12:41:09 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Don't casinos pay pretty well? What clue is it that you saw that this is their last gig? Please I'd like to know. It drives me nuts! The fellows are into touring for the second year in a row; haven't even finished getting dates and already someone is proclaiming that it's the last time. I've always thought Steely Dan as a character of questionable morals, probably hangs at casinos a lot, the perfect backdrop. Don't you know that when you have one foot in the future and one foot in the past your peeing all over the present?
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 12:22:28 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Gretchen
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 11:03:25 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, what a treat....
Hey Eric (and everyone)
What a rare treat to see the show on Saturday night. I feel very fortunate to have seen such a fabulous performance in an intimate setting like the Bearsville Theatre.
From the moment we arrived in town on Saturday afternoon, I knew it would be something special. First of all, the area has this rustic beauty that is only accentuated by the starkness of the winter sun on the lightly snow covered hills. The cold air was cleansing and inspiring, I can see why Donald likes to spend time there. I am definitely looking to go back up there to explore the many art galleries and culture the area has to offer.
I was blown away by Ollabelle's performance, their music is a soul soothing blend of bluegrass, rock, blues, and even a bit of jazz. During Amy Helm's solo I could hear strains of a Pastorius-like bass in the background. She has huge talent, she's a true vocalist, a real professional whose passion for music is genuine.
Phoebe Snow received a huge welcome from the crowd, and well deserved it was. She sounds as good now as she did on her debut album many years ago. A highlight of the night for me was "Poetry Man," set to an ethereal melody while Donald, bathed in a rather celestial purple light, was totally focused on his keyboard in the intense way I picture him doing so when not on stage.
Of course Donald was outstanding, "Nightfly" and "Green Flower Street" were my favorites of the evening, done with a relaxed energy that confirms that this man is a timeless musical genius (and hot as always!)
The company was exquisite as well, I enjoyed meeting some new fans like Dave from Acquisitions, and catching up with those I hadn't seen since 03, such as Fezman. And Hoops, it wouldn't be the same had you not been there.
Thanks a million to my gracious hosts for the weekend, Sam and Fife.
Looking forward to May and beyond.
xoxoxo
G
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 03:30:07 ET
Posted by: Jostein Torgnes, Oslo, Norway
---
Big Fan - what kind of jeep is the best when you're going from Cleveland to the outlands of North Dakota, a Hummer? We need to carry plenty of water, right?
It must be sad, our ultra cool Steely Dan doing their last gigs on Casino's! It's so tacky! I guess they had to swallow their proud at the negotiating table when they realized it had to be Casino's or nothing at all.
Isn't Irving Azoff with them no more?
---
Date: Mon, February 05, 2007, 00:21:03 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, new show
New show added to the official site:
TOWER THEATER, PA
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 23:09:22 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
I was just treated to an incredible hour and a half music from the one and only Bill Charlap. All I can say is WOW ... and damn, was he underused on Pixeleen. I was really, really amazed at the depth of his playing and his arrangements. If he ever comes to your town, go see him, you won't regret it.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 21:54:28 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
A very fine Danfan from Boston handed me a set list at the end of the evening. Here it is:
Ollabelle
40 minutes
Something Real Pheobe/guitar
Tossing' and Turning Phoebe
Black Friday Fagen
Intermission
Green Flower Street Fagen
The Nightfly Fagen
A Song for You Phoebe
Baby, I Love You Phoebe
Home at Last Fagen
New Frontier Fagen
Dirty Work Phoebe/Fagen
Poetry Man Phoebe w/guitar
All in the Game Phoebe
Viva Viva Rock & Roll Fagen
Encore
Nobody's Fault Everyone
Working in a Coal Mine Everyone
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 21:40:15 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, white plains, NY
For those doubters, Ollabelle allows tapings of their shows.
I emailed them today, and this was thier response:
"Hi Greg. We are very cool with tapers. I have tons of bootlegs myself and love 'em dearly. Are only usual request is that we love to have copies too if possible. We have a great library of taped shows from folks...really helps us grow as a band."
So, clearly any discussion of taping of the Ollabelle shows -- and where to get them, is fair game, regardless of their guests.
If this was the Donald Fagen Band, it would be a completely different story. So, please, no more erasing of posts about the tapes of the Ollabelle shows.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 21:26:09 ET
Posted by: Fife, Home at last!!
Well last night was a real blast! I'm still buzzing from the pleasure of it all. Bearsville was an amazing venue though a little steamy. The sound was extremely good and watching Donald bang away was a real treat. The addition of Herington was just the right piece to complete a band that sounded awesome. I was really impressed with Ollabelle and Pheobe Snow, well damn it the whole show and it's safe to say I would venture there again.
It was really great to meet some very fine Danfans and break bread together.
And now for May WhooHoo!!!!!
Fife
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 21:25:08 ET
Posted by: sf, NJ
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=560284&category=ARTS&newsdate=2/4/2007
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 20:35:29 ET
Posted by: 4 CDs, Maybe DF has a suprise for us
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 20:20:29 ET
Posted by: prez logic, UMWA
LWO: My thoughts exctly on "Working in a Coal Mine"! Dan Karma indeed...
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 19:53:32 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
this site is showing the Nightfly Trilogy as having FOUR CDs...
http://rapids.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/jmr/rel_info?rid=20564
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 18:13:52 ET
Posted by: Dave From Acquisitions, Boston
Hello Steely Dan Fans:
I wanted introduce myself and say what a blast Saturday's Ollabelle concert with Special Guests in Woodstock was. After hearing Jon Herington's dazzling solos I'm trying to convice myself to stick with the guitar. It was good to meet and dine with everyone at the Sky Top. I look forward to more!
Dave
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:50:03 ET
Posted by: abc, a@b.com
They will give time for the Tower tickets to sell before announcing a date in AC. Last year, Fagen played AC six days after the Tower, and a lot of tickets went unsold for the latter date.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:46:28 ET
Posted by: How?,
how did Hoops get to and from there? did you use newburgh?
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:33:16 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, West of Oakland
still no Gretchen report?? c'mon blondie, don't hold out on us....
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:18:32 ET
Posted by: not my Herrington, not my Harrington, spelling police department
herington Herington HERINGTON
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:05:28 ET
Posted by: KD, on
The artists have refreshments in their rider and I'm sure there were plenty of Cokes available backstage. Usually the bartenders are under strict orders not to give comped drinks (N/A or otherwise) to artists, so don't rip on the bartender for listening to their bosses.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 17:03:32 ET
Posted by: sf, nj
During the intermission at Bearsville, a bunch of us were standing around in the main room and we witnessed John Herrington *PAYING* for a coke at the bar. Unfortunately, we were separated by glass and weren't able to prevent the bartender from committing this felony.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 16:48:42 ET
Posted by: jh,
new date at sd.com
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 16:48:01 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
From my understanding, usually a venue has to get an OK from the artist before it can give the all clear signal to allow taping. Is that correct?
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 15:59:23 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Super Envious
"Workin' in a Coal Mine" was the first 45 I ever purchased! I guess that had something to do with growing up in Wheeling, WV. Dan Karma strikes again.
Sounds like great fun, even if with the weather. Safe trip home everyone!
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 15:16:43 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
Rajah,
Your MP3s are ready. Send me a mailing address
Geoff
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 14:13:07 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, let's see
KD, I have sent Ollabelle an e-mail and asked if they are OK with live taping, i suspect I will receive an answer soon.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 13:54:45 ET
Posted by: KD, on
Greg, that's all well and good, but were the ARTISTS ok with the taping? That's what counts. Most venues encourage taping, it's free publicity when these shows are passed around with the venue name in the title. But it's the ARTISTS that have to sign off on this, and Fagen/SD camp haven't been too keen on this sort of thing in the past.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 12:58:29 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Home from Woodstock
Last night's show was pretty much the same as Friday night's show - great audience with a lot of energy, the band was totally feeding off the crowd - but I think it sounded tighter last night. And of course, the addition of Workin' in a Coal Mine. There was just something about Don doing the "oops!" in that song that made me laugh. And, of course, seeing Herrington was just the icing on an already fabulous cake. Damn, he's fantastic.
It was so nice to hang out will all you guys last night - Sam, Fife, Gretchen, SF, Hoops, Sharon, Paul, Mark. Paul, I never got to say goodbye to you after the show and give you my email! Will you email me? The address is up there.
What a great show. What a great crowd. What a great weekend!
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 12:28:15 ET
Posted by: Ricos,
Happy trails to you until we meet again;
Happy trails to you, keep smiling until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weath - er.
Happy trails to you, 'til we meet a - gain.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 12:08:13 ET
Posted by: john, nyc
COMCAST ON DEMAND HAS "AJA" CLASSIC ALBUMS TO WATCH FOR FREE UNDER VH1 CLASSIC. IT IS BROKEN UP INTO 5 PARTS.
IV'E SEEN IT BEFORE BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T...IT'S FREE.
REGARDS,
JOHN, NYC.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 11:39:17 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, please, folks
Again, I taped the show last night and will be happy to share. Why my last post about this was deleted is beyond me, as TAPING WAS ALLOWED LAST NIGHT, as confirmed by the woman at the sound desk. She wouldn't let me plug into the board "because my outputs are all being used", but she specifically stated that it was OK to tape from the audience. People even brought and used VIDEO CAMERAS last night, with absolutley no problems from the theater security. So, anyone interested in hearing Ollabelle with their guests can email me.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 11:11:19 ET
Posted by: slang me, groovetime
Let me put it this way doll
And I know it's getting late
I can tell from the planes of your face
That you're from out of state
But here in the Willows now here's the deal
Tomorrow's for squares -- tonight's for real
Drop me off in Groovetime
Do you hear the Slang of Ages
Show me how it's done
Now did you say you were from the Netherlands
Or was that "Netherworld"?
If you grew up in Amsterdam
Then I'm the Duke of Earl
These tabs look iffy -- you say they're good
Let's roll with the homeys -- knock on wood
Drop me off in Groovetime
Soothe me with the Slang of Ages
Show me where I turn
Are you all part of the Dreaming
Or the end of my life so far?
Or something half way in between
You oughta know
Hey -- where'd she go?
Damn -- she skipped dimensions
Was it something that I said?
Or something I was thinking
When she opened up my head?
Let me make it right baby -- never mind how
There's a crazy little place I know called "Be There Now"
Drop me off in Groovetime
Do you hear the Slang of Ages
Show me how it's done
Drop me off in Groovetime
Soothe me with the Slang of Ages
This is where I turn
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 11:07:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Workin in the coal mine
Goin on down, down
Workin in a coal mine
Oops, about to slip down
Workin in a coal mine
Goin on down, down
Workin in a coal mine
Oops, about to slip down
Five oclock in the mornin
Im already up and gone
Lord, Im so tired
How long can this go on?
(repeat chorus)
Cause I make a little money
Haulin coal by the ton
When saturday rolls around
Im too tired for havin fun
(repeat chorus)
Lord Im so tired
How long can this go on
(repeat chorus)
Five oclock in the mornin
Im already up and gone
Lord, Im so tired
How long can this go on?
(repeat chorus)
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 10:53:53 ET
Posted by: my man stanley, helpless
My man Stanley
Suave but manly
Taking cover from the mark within
Now he's hiding
Pretty soon he's sliding
Looking for a lonely heart to take refuge in
Down the alley
My gal Sally
A little bruised and battered maybe from a couple times before
Hold her steady
You know I think she's ready
To climb into the ring and do it all once more
Does it hurt when I do this
Can you laugh when I go like this
All right keep it down
This one's cool for maybe one more round
Just look for big pieces when we sweep up tonight boys
Nobody's going to blame you
Scratch 'em right off that list
You know medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
I know you're gonna thank me later
For giving this one a miss
'Cause medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
Ivory Eddie
Half dead already
But too dumb to lie down or even let a brother know
Trouble's cruising
You know Ed's still using
Never known for passing on a chance to just say "Yo"
Little Leroy
Eddie's homeboy
Still too wet behind the ears to know his right from his wrong
And what big E's sporting
Little Lee is snorting
Guess Ed stopped on his way down to drag the kid along
And all the jiveasses and the true believers
The bullshit givers and receivers
Here today tomorrow gone
To the triage tent in the great beyond
Wherein the angel tangoes with the infidel
Normally I'd be angry
Normally I'd be pissed
But medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
Better make mine a double
Serve it up with a twist
'Cause medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
Nobody's gonna blame you
Scratch 'em right off the list
Medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
I know you're gonna thank me later
For giving this one a miss
'Cause medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
Normally I'd be angry
Normally I'd be pissed
But medical science is helpless
Helpless in a case like this
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 10:26:14 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
I guess DF didn’t allude to anything SD credit card handy tour did he?
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 09:46:50 ET
Posted by: hoops, kingston, ny
I can't vouch for everything that was played since I only know DF's material thoroughly. it was the same set both nights with "Workin' In the Coal Mines" added as an encore last night.
"Black Friday" closed first set--only DF lead vox that set.
"Greenflower Street," "The Nightfly," "New Frontier," "Home At Last" were among the DF/SD songs with DF on lead and Phoebe did an awesome "Dirty Work." "Viva Rock and Roll" (also played on the DFB'06 dates, as you surely recall) was at the end of the second set, before the encore.
Need more coffee. I believe the rest is posted below.
jim
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 07:32:30 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Mark- thanks for all of those great shots. Wish I'd been there.
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 06:23:07 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
No setlist?!
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 01:01:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, kingston, ny
The show was incredible! Very eclectic. Herington was a great surprise and was exceptional. Amazing to hear these songs with pretty much no horns. Phoebe was incredible as well. The sound kicked ass. Amy and the band has a really great vibe. Their sound was real and they also were honored to have legends as guests--no attitude.
They added "Workin' In A Coal Mine" to last night's set. Everyone performed it at the end.
Thanks for the photos, Mark!
More when I'm not so tired.
THANKS!
jim
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 00:27:12 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Mark ~
Thanks so much for the pictures. It is truly appeciated!
The power was out here in Monterey for six hours today/tonite, and it just finally came back on. I am so happy to have all of my electically powered accoutrements at my disposal again. Power outtages are a drag. The weather here is beautiful-- I don't know what happened, but I am so thankful to have my electricity back!
Date: Sun, February 04, 2007, 00:10:26 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Thanks Mark for those pix...especially liked the ones of the town and theatre.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 22:26:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Mark, much obliged for the pix.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 21:46:07 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Mark thanks for the pix
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 21:07:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
cool pics, Mark...thanks!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 20:20:50 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Mark, thanks for the photos. Looks like it was a great fun.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 19:55:35 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Peace and Love from Woodstock
Hey! Just got back from Woodstock. What a great show! Ollabelle was awesome! A lot Levon Helm and The Band influence. Amy is super talented. I'm sure Levon and Donald are very proud.
It was the little things that made this a special night. Super small venue (had 3rd row center seats in front of Mr. F!). Watching Donald smile when Amy was belting out a tune. Watching Amy and Phoebe crack up when Donald was singing "Viva Rock and Roll".
Wish I could of stayed for tonight's show (Superbowl festivities tomorrow). It will probably be an even better show (if that's possible).
If you didn't get to travel to Woodstock - here's some pictures I took yesterday. There's no flash - didn't want to disturb the artists. Hope you like them:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095900943&code=26510972&mode=invite&DCMP=isc-email-AlbumInvite
Mark in Boston
Denise
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 19:11:07 ET
Posted by: suedave, bearsville - not
Had a hankering for some Todd Rundgren, pulled out a gem from 1971 called Runt - issued under license from Bearsville Records, Bearsville NY. Popular spot? You all enjoy tonight and stay warm!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 17:50:48 ET
Posted by: WOW! Hoops - this ones for you!, Dallas
ebay# 250080900239
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 16:27:27 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I think it's real nice for Daddy G to be genuinely concerned about the welfare of his old boss. Me, most of my former bosses, I'd be fevently hoping they had been smack dab in the middle of the storm path! Some of those guys were capital-t Turds!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 15:32:24 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Only because I posted about this last night, I thought I'd give a quick update in case anyone cares or was the least bit curious...
Still have not gotten _definitive_ confirmation that my ex-boss in The Villages in Lady Lake, FL, is OK, but by viewing a PDF file on the local paper's site showing the news story, photos, and a map of the tornado path and then mapquesting his address I'm convinced that his home should have been spared. Unsure of some of the scales since I was zooming in and out on mapquest, but it looks like the twister would have passed within a mile or two to his SW. When trying to call today I still get the "all circuits are busy" message, but that's to be expected for a while and I don't expect him to have his email access back anytime real soon either.
In the meantime I feel better having found some indication that he should be OK, though. Here's the page with the PDF file if anyone's remotely interested...
http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2007/02/03/news/news01.txt
I'd hoped something would turn up today that would let me know his status, but I only posted last night on the off chance there might be someone out there in Blue land who could help, someone who would somehow have some more immediate knowledge of the area hit, maybe relatives they'd contacted or even someone who might live in the area. I knew it was an extreme longshot, but figured it couldn't hurt beyond annoying folks with non-Steely stuff for a minute or two. Thanks for your patience.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 14:26:36 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
I hope everyone made it safely to Bearsville. You people are troopers! Brrrrr.
Hey North Bay, CA Folks - I meant to post that Madeline Peyroux is going to be at Wells Fargo Center for the Arts in Santa Rosa on February 16th. But I forgot and then the show sold out. But they just released 40 SRO tickets at $19.50 each. Not a very large venue so SRO spots should be good too.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 13:07:30 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, snowbound
Just got done shoveling the snow. We got about 6” here. It just started to snow when we were getting ready to leave last night and I almost didn’t go. That would have been a huge mistake. What normally should take under 2 hours took over 3. Not a lot of snow on the ground, but complete white outs traveling on narrow windy up and down rounds with no tracks on them. You couldn’t tell the fields from the road. Finally got to Bearsville at 8:15 – got our tickets and realized somehow I had gotten four for Friday and none for Saturday – so we won’t be there tonight. Glad we went last night – no kidding. As soon as we got there we ran into Pete and Shari talking to John Harrington. Right away I knew it was going to be a great show. Smart of Donald to bring a hired gun along. He played to the side of the stage, but his guitar work carried the songs he played on.
We ended up with balcony seats which were just fine. To give you an idea – a standard high school stage would be twice the size of the theater. It’s really small. There were quite a few empty seats – due to the weather no doubt. Seeing the Steely Dan gear box to the side of the stage was really cool.
Seeing Phoebe Snow sing Dirty Work was just too much. The review in the paper is spot on. Phoebe Snow is just remarkable - she stole every song she sang. Olabelle is very good. Amy Helm is really spunky on stage and has a lot of stage prescence in that way. My son liked their blonde Australian bass/acoustic guitar player though. A quick call home after the show indicated that it was still snowing there and we were way too tired to drive home in the ice and snow so we opted for the Holiday Inn and got a fresh start this morning. Truly a night to remember. I saw a few video cameras at work – so if you know where to look for such things there may be treats out there in the next few weeks.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 12:32:10 ET
Posted by: suedave, saturday morning
Margaret - besides your text message being such a nice surprise, it brought a huge smile to my face while I was in a Friday evening meeting. Even though it didn't make sense to share my joy with anyone at the meeting, I was excited for the Bearsville crowd and I may have let a little chuckle escape from my lips, out loud. I'd have texted you back with a WOW or something but my provider seems unable to get that feature configured to let me receive & send. I'll call them again today.
Donald Fagen is the MAN!!!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 12:28:12 ET
Posted by: LAWN ORNAMENT, FROZEN BEARSVILLE
THIS JUST IN TOOO
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/ENT04/70202059
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 11:37:37 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Wake up Gretchen and get to a mochine or call your hubby. I want to hear all about DF.
Thanks
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 11:17:46 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Sue, I'm glad that text message actually went through! You wouldn't believe the lack of cell service up in the sticks, or maybe you would.
The drive to Bearsville wasn't bad, except for the horrendous snow storm that I swore would be the death of me. I wasn't sure what to expect; I was thinking it would be a lot of Ollabelle songs with a Fagen tune or two thrown in. Imagine my surprise when most of the second half of the show was Fagen/Dan tunes! And Jon Herrington to boot! Oh what a fabulous surprise! I think I cheered more for Herrington when he walked onstage than most people did for Fagen!
In an attempt to better the future generation with music education I brought my 18-year-old brother along as my date. The boy wasn't sure what we were going to see or who Donald Fagen was (Is he the one with the sunglasses?) or much of the SD catalogue, but he was intrigued and came along. He turned to me before the show started and said "Marg, I think I'm the youngest one here." Welcome to my world.
The boy absolutely loved the show (it must run in the family) and when I asked him afterwards what I thought here's what he had to say:
Me: So Dave, what did you think of Donald Fagen?
Dave: He's the man.
Me: And what did you think of Phoebe Snow?
Dave: She can really sing!
Me: And what did you think of Jon Herrington?
Dave: You were right, he's a sexy bitch. If I were gay I'd hit it!
So nice that I've had an effect on him.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 10:56:20 ET
Posted by: From the sunny , west coast
No Morph tunes.Still hope everyone had a great time.Wish I could have been there.Jan 19 seems so long ago.
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 08:26:52 ET
Posted by: SteelyFan, nj
First review is in
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/ENT04/70202059
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 02:56:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thank you, Sue!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 02:03:55 ET
Posted by: suedave, left coast
Margaret you rock! Drumroll please........
This just in from Woodstock - Black Friday, Green Flower St, Home at Last, New Frontier, Nitefly, Viva Rock & Roll, and Phoebe Snow doing Dirty Work. Jon Herrington helping too.
Sounds of contentment, can't wait to hear more about how Olabelle brought their sound into the mix. Wish I was able to join you!
Date: Sat, February 03, 2007, 01:32:19 ET
Posted by: setlists?,
from tonight???
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 23:14:40 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Please bear with me as I ask a favor...
I am looking for info regarding the status of Alfredo Avenue in The Villages of Lady Lake, FL.
Of course the Americans around here will recognize that that general area was hit by tornados this morning. An ex-boss of mine retired there many years ago, but I kept in touch with him via email. My folks and I even visited him and his wife there once in 2001 (his wife passed away in 2005). I'm hoping his section of The Villages was not hit or at least not too hard hit anyway. Am trying to find out. (I won't give out his name or specific address for obvious privacy reasons. I believe The Villages is laid out in named sections---though I could be wrong---but I have no idea which official section his home is in.)
I'm not in a panic or anything like that as it's unlikely (statistically speaking) that he'd be among the dead. However, I have no idea whether his home was affected or not and am just trying to find out for the benefit of my own concern at this point. I'm sure it's mayhem down there at the moment.
I have an email out to him, but I doubt he'll be able to get that for a while. Tried calling his home phone several times, but "all circuits are busy" of course. I have no cell phone number at which to reach him. I have a few other emails out to others who _may_ be able to help find out something, but they're longshots, really.
His name does not show up yet on the Red Cross list of those reported as safe and well [ https://disastersafe.redcross.org/ ], but I'm sure it's way too soon for that list to be anywhere near substantial. FEMA site does not seem to offer any clues yet.
I see no info regarding him or Alfredo Avenue on this page of pics in the local paper down there either...
http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2007/02/02/news/news01.txt
So I thought I'd simply utilize this wonderful Blue resource and throw the question out there for general perusal. If anyone (either regular poster or covert lurker) can provide any sort of info or even just a lead on alternate ways to search for info, please let me know? Thank you. I've provided an actual email address above for anyone who may be able to help.
I can also be reached via PM over in the Yellow if anyone happens to be a registered user there. Thank you.
(Not that there's much I can do from up here in NJ I realize, but I'm just anxious to find out something simply for my own benefit of knowing. At this point, until I hear otherwise I will assume he and his home are probably OK since by their very nature tornados are very hit and miss in their destruction. And in the meantime all I can do is wait as I'm sure I will find out something somehow eventually.)
Now back to things Steely...
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 19:41:48 ET
Posted by: Bikemann, NJ
Hey folks! Live Nation has a Steely Date of May 24th @ the Tower in Philly!!!
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 15:46:41 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Steely Dad - we'll always have Da Rosina's, or at least until they slam and lock the door behind us.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 15:08:03 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
Raj: PJ's is still open - renovated and the best $10 burger...no In and Out Burger, here, but I did love that place the last time I was in Newport...
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 14:22:45 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Does NY have 82 degree weather come Sunday? LA does ;-)
But I still wish I was freezing my ass off in Bearsville tonight!
Speaking of Bearsville, it has been said that Donald will be performing "Steely Dan" songs. But to quote Amy Helm in the
Poughkeepsie Journal:
"“We’re just really looking forward to it,” Helm said. “We think it’s going to be a lot of fun.”
But, Helm added with a nervous laugh, “Those Steely Dan songs, those Donald Fagen songs, are very challenging.”
Sounds like they might get a solo gem out of Don. Perhaps "Snowbound"
will be appropriate.
PS - Thanks for the Robert Moses article. I'm a big 64-65 NY Worlds Fair fan.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 14:21:00 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks for all the chat on eating establishments...I'm starving now
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 14:16:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No In n Out in the City. But if PJ Clarke's is till there, they made a slammin burger.
I say Pretzel Logic and Chain Lightnin are dead bolt locks to be revisted tonight.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 14:09:14 ET
Posted by: daddy don't live in that nyc no more, far arcturus
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/arts/design/02mose.html
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 14:05:53 ET
Posted by: ed, @westofhollywood
But they do have Katz's Delicatessen in NYC and lots more
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:58:37 ET
Posted by: FAT AL,
But Does NYC have an In-Out
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:51:23 ET
Posted by: ED(DA BRONX) BEATTY, nowhere near da bronx
Jonas Bronck, a Swede, was the first European to settle in the Bronx in 1639, when he died in 1643, only the Broncks (Bronx) River was named for him. What is now the Bronx was originally the southern part of Westchester County. In 1874, New York City annexed the area west of the Bronx River and in 1895, the part east of it. Manhattan residents called the territory the Annexed District; those who lived there called it the North Side.
In 1898, the city established the borough system. Since the Bronx River ran through the northernmost borough, it was decided to name it after the river. Thus The Bronx
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:48:22 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
...that divey thing? yeah, it iz....I went to Docs last night...
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:44:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The St Mark's on 1st just south of St. Mark's Place. Don't know if it's still there...
Do you know the alphabet avenues' knicknames?
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:39:46 ET
Posted by: ygk, new york friggin city...
Right on, Raja, and Angel...
Which bar, Raj? And is it still open?
ygk
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:29:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Some guy surnamed Bronck, Edward maybe, had his big farm there, late 17th century mebbe.
What bar in the East Village was the Stones, "Waiting on a Friend" shot?
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 13:24:40 ET
Posted by: angel,
Parts of Brooklyn, near Coney Island, are on landfill. A fine New York tradition... :-)
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:56:17 ET
Posted by: YGK, nyc
Bob: I was born here, pal, so drop it...I've lived in every Borough except for Staten Island and the Bronx...btw - why do they call the Bronx the Bronx?
So if you're such a long timer, why do you know so little?
Rajah, that's when the East Village was extended - back then, there was no Avenue D - all on re-packaged silt...which is why the Nor'Easter of 1992 flooded the East Village and my apartment on 14th Street...across from Stuy town...the waters raged up the river, flooding many a basement, mice were very prevalent that January due to the surge...
ygk
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:49:54 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains
I have tickets available for saturday night. Please email if interested.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:47:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Is it when they dug the Harlem River Ship Canal and part of what was then Manhattan became part of the Bronx after the redirecting of the Harlem River?
Or was it the Empire State Building?
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:38:12 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
YGK. I got to Manhattan 25 years before you moved here from Brooklyn.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:37:45 ET
Posted by: ., .
By John W. Barry, Poughkeepsie Journal...
Ollabelle kicks off two evenings of music featuring Phoebe Snow and Donald Fagen
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/ENT01/70202029/1038
Persistent Snow leaves her mark
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/ENT01/70202031/1038
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:32:35 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, here south of chumash
YGK,
is the answer Robert Moses or is that too early for him?
ed
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:21:16 ET
Posted by: oh no!, aha!
That was the reservoir....sorry bout that...
ygk
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:19:17 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
was that the sewage plant, Raj?
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 12:16:09 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
Bob: I guess that's why Danity Kane's Van is parked in my parking lot on 44th Street, and why all the bigass homies hang out in front of 321...could it be that he has a few offices, dude?
That may be Bad Boy - but he has a few things goin' on...and a few offices...when did you get to town, kid?
And speaking of all things Manhattan? what profound change occurred in the 20's that altered the shape of our fair island?
Rajah should know...
ygk
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 11:11:19 ET
Posted by: KD, TNT
Amazon lists it at just being three discs. Disappointing. I was hoping to have, if not a demo/unreleased disc of songs, an "end-all" disc full of the soundtrack or lone singles Donald put out in the 80s. One final disc of great mixes on "Century's End," "True Companion," "Bright Lights, Big City," the drums and bass mixes from Kama, and on and on. I don't even need the piano/click track demos from Nightfly -- just make it so I don't have to buy an entire CD just to get one song I don't have.
Or, maybe, the rare songs are there -- but the discs will be chopped up, a la Citizen Steely Dan (Nightfly is, what, 40 minutes long? So that makes sense). Either way ... not what I had in mind. It will be worth it for the new mixes on the first two solo albums, I'll pre-order as soon as it pops up, but it looks as if Donald missed the chance to do something truly great with this. Here's hoping he proves me wrong.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 10:48:29 ET
Posted by: Slang, Me
Amazon's United Kingdom site (www.amazon.co.uk) has The Nightfly Trilogy (Box Set) release date as April 2. You can also pre-order from them, so it looks like this will happen soon; still not listed on the US version of Amazon, though.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 10:41:21 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, anxious
I've got to work today and won't be leaving to go until 5PM. Takes 2 hours so that gives an hour before the doors open and to get our tickets for weather and stopping to eat en route although it will be a very rural drive until we cross the bridge at Kingston.
Saw the restaurants in the Bearsville Complex - would like to check it out, but probably won't be there early enough.
Some snow this PM. Safe journey - are you leaving early to visit Yasgur's farm in Bethel, NY? You should have plenty of time. The Catskill Game farm closed last year for good. Not much else to see. We'll see you there.
Guns, for heavens sake no - it's more like the Soprano's than High Noon. You only get shot if you complain about the amount of the tip or squeal on the family.
Bring plenty of cash $. In Atlantic City, the state of NJ controls the casinos and they have to return over 90% at the slots. I never do it but those who tell me you can sit at a slot machine all night with a bucket of quarters without going up or down much. But in Connecticut the Native American casinos have no such regulations. They are only required to give a certain % to the state in an agreement that the state won't compete and for potential losses to the pre existing state lottery income. Apparently, there a bucket of quarters won't last you an hour.
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 09:48:01 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, packing
Big Fan & Bearville-bound - Have not heard any Friday plans. Anyone up for meeting at The Little Bear at the Theatre Complex?
I guess they serve Chinese food. Around 5:30? Doors open for the show at 8:00 and it starts at 9:00.
Hitting the road in about an hour. Fezman, I'll call your cell tomorrow about meeting somewhere in Kingston.
Less than 12 hours!
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 09:47:31 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, packing
Big Fan & Bearville-bound - Have not heard any Friday plans. Anyone up for meeting at The Little Bear at the Theatre Complex?
I guess they serve Chinese food. Around 5:30? Doors open for the show at 8:00 and it starts at 9:00.
Hitting the road in about an hour. Fezman, I'll call your cell tomorrow about meeting somewhere in Kingston.
Less than 12 hours!
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, February 02, 2007, 03:01:17 ET
Posted by: Jostein Torgnes,
---
Big Fan - so I don't have to bring my gun then?
---
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 20:19:14 ET
Posted by: hoops, where it's absurdly cold, getting ready to head to where it's even more absurdly cold
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest has just been mailed, this time covering from January 23-31, 2007.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
• NEW DATE: 5/6 New Orleans Jazz Festival
• REDUX: Ollabelle Shows to Feature Fagen & Phoebe Snow
• Update from Viktor via Lexi at DF.com
• SD Chumash photos
• REDUX: Rumors of More US Shows in May & Europe in July
• T I C K E T . E X C H A N G E
- - NEW! 2/2 tix available
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Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill.
jim
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 18:07:00 ET
Posted by: D.S., E.P.
O.B. Thanks for the correction on the Eagles info...
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 17:12:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Let's play "Who Knows Manhattan Best?"
What stood where Bryant Park is today?
Baba Wink Martendale Rajah
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 17:03:09 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
YGK - FYI, Diddy's office space (Bad Boy) is on Broadway between West 55th & West 56th. Not near Birdland.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 15:37:16 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
I see Birdland from my back window...always a first rate joint, no matter who's rollin'...'ts funny that Birdland is in the same building as Diddy's Office space...
but I thinks I might make some plans for New Orleans - perhaps both weekends...Steely Friggin' Dan...there's a wormy down those parts...
great things are ahappenin' in NYC, folks...and will soon have new ear candy for you..
ygk
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 14:56:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I realize that but not any of the joints I've mentioned. The Birdland thing is all class, we saw Bill Charlap there, this is the date your wives and girlfriends will remember for a long time. It's a homerun fer sher on Valentine's Day.
John's has been there F-O-R-E-V-E-R, what they do with shellfish is to die for.
The Chumley's/55Bar date is for when you want to get yer freak on.
Next up, how to fashion a faaabulous window treatment for under $25!
Baba Channeling Christopher Lowell Rajah
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 14:40:02 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Rajah,
Patty was also quite the Christmas Wrapper!
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 14:33:53 ET
Posted by: Zagat, Guide
Rajah- 95% of the places that you ate at when you lived in NYC in the early 80's have been closed for years.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 14:14:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah, I'll take Manhattan
Bear with me here for a sec and let me tell you about my old Manhattan apartment on St. Mark's between 1st and "A" in the early eighties. I lived across the hall from a guy named Billy Ficca, drummer for a band called Television and his girlfriend the late Patty Donahue lead singer of a band called The Waitresses, she died of lung cancer in 96, what a sweet Cleveland girl she was. She knew what boys liked. The bathtub was in the kitchen, I covered it with with half a sheet of plywood and used it for a table. Course I had to take it down every time I took a shower. I jury-rigged a shower hose and hung it from the ceiling over the tub. Linoleum in the livig room from the 30s, I ripped that out to reveal a wood floor that would give you splinters if you sat on it. I had iron gates across the windows that faced the fire escape. When I moved in there was birdshit all over those windows. The toilet was down the hall in a room the size of a phone booth. The window in there had a hole in it, in winter you had to take the but end of the plunger that leaned against the wall and break up the ice that formed in the crapper overnight. One night I returned home and discovered two lesbians making out in there. I asked them if I could help them with anything. They said "no, we have everything we need," so I just shut the door and walked down the hall. I was just trying to be helpful is all.
My point: go to John's on 12th for the best Italian in town. And you can take that to the bank, baby.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 13:36:56 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
More SD at Chumash pix...casino photographer Dwight Mccann sent me a CD with many photos; some not posted on his website. If you'd like them let me know. I've put together a low resolution zipped PDF file with 24 photos (2060KB). It has some he posted on his site plus others.
For those who have not seen it, his SD site is
http://www.dwightmccann.com/ChumashCasinoResort/SteelyDan01192007/SteelyDan01182007.html
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 13:04:04 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc
I hear ya Bob...I go to Ralph's out of habit - been there for years...will try Bello tho...
And La Madeleine on 43rd - my block - is also quite nice...
Hell's Kitchen Devil
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 12:58:51 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
YGK - Yes, that's what I've been trying to say. Ask the locals (not Rajah). I like your choices but I would stay away from Ralph's and go right across the street to "Bello". Prices are a bit higher than Ralph's but the food is 100 times better.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 12:48:48 ET
Posted by: YGK, nyc
...jeezus, folks, why not ask a local ferchrissakes...when in Hell's Kitchen, go to Marseille - 44th/9th Eastside of 9th - for some great eats and possible star watching, and a lovely waitstaff...right across the street from Rudy's - find the Pig, you've found Rudy's - THE Rudy's of Steely Dan fame - you'll be very high...avoid Restaurant Row - overpriced for Tourists...
Or try 44SW - on the Corner of 9th Ave/44th...trip on over to Circus for some crazy bartenders who play good juke...
For some spectacular Italian, go to Ralph's on 9th and 56 - great food - not a great bill...
I mean, I'm living and playing and haunting Hell's Kitchen and the City overall - why not ask a friggin local?
Peace and have fun,
ygk
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 12:21:41 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Missing Molly Ivins
Molly Ivins, gone? The Hell you say.
She's a hero, a LIBERATOR of the written form.
She CAN NOT die, I tell you. She is me, as she is us, as you are her and she is ALL TOGETHER. No!!!
They carried her in the Wichita Falls Times/Record News until last year, when they devoted more time to the nitwit "scripture/share" ed/ops...how sad I'll be not reading her anymore. She was right, almost every time, and such research! And what a wonderful "phrase-buff" she was.
Long live the Queen of Modern Liberal Journalism, Miss Molly. R.I.P. (and I love her style, did I mention?)----Bb, 02/01/07
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 12:05:52 ET
Posted by: the general, throw back the little ones
just read Diamond Dave might be touring with VH again, if anybody gives a shit
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 12:03:06 ET
Posted by: A Sad Day................., Austin Texas
America has lost another unique voice. Though she was not a "musician", she could make words "sing and/or zing". She was a real broad, a true lady, a class act. We will miss you Miss Molly.
Rest In Peace Molly Ivins. Here is her last article and a sobering
one at that:
The president of the United States does not have the sense God gave a duck--so it's up to us. You and me.
I don't know why President Bush is just standing there like a frozen rabbit, but it's time we found out. The fact is we have to do something about it. This country is being torn apart by an evil and unnecessary war, and it has to be stopped now.
This Iraq war is being prosecuted in our names, with our money, with our blood, against our will. Polls consistently show that less than 30 percent of the people want to maintain current troop levels. It is obscene and wrong for the president to go against the people in this fashion, and it's doubly wrong for him to send 20,0000 more soldiers into this hellhole, as he reportedly will announce next week.
What happened to the nation that never tortured? The nation that wasn't supposed to start wars of choice? The nation that respected human rights and life? A nation that from the beginning was against tyranny? Where have we gone? How did we let these people take us there? How did we let them fool us?
It's a monstrous idea to put people in prison and keep them there. This administration has done away with rights first enshrined in the Magna Carta nearly 800 years ago, and we've let them do it.
This will be a regular feature of mine, like an old-fashioned newspaper campaign. Every column, I'll write about this war until we find some way to end it. STOP IT NOW. BAM!
So let's take a step back and note, for example, that before the war, one of the architects of the entire policy, Paul Wolfowitz, testified to Congress that Iraq had no history of ethnic strife. Sectarian and ethnic strife is a part of the region, and the region is full of examples of Western colonial powers trying to occupy countries, take their resources and take over the administration of their people--and failing.
The sectarian bloodbath we see daily completely refutes Wolfowitz. Now, Bush has given him the World Bank to run. Wonder what he'll do there.
Let's keep in mind that when the Army arrived in Baghdad, we, the television viewers, watched footage of a bunch of enraged and joyous Iraqis pulling down the statue of Saddam Hussein, their repulsive dictator, in Firdos Square. Only one thing was wrong: The event was staged. Taking down the statue was instigated by a Marine colonel, and a psychological operations unit made it appear to be a spontaneous show of Iraqi joy.
When we later saw the whole square in which the statue was located, only 30 to 40 people were there (U.S. soldiers, press and some Iraqis--and one of several U.S. tanks present pulled the statue down with a cable). We, the television viewers, saw the square being presented as though the people of Iraq had gone into a frenzy, mobbed the square and spontaneously pulled down the statue. Fake images and claims have been a part of this fiasco from the beginning.
We need to cut through all this smoke and mirrors and come up with an exit strategy, forthwith. The Democrats have yet to offer a cohesive plan to get us out of this mess. Of course, it's not their fault--but the fact is we need leaders who are grown-ups and who are willing to try to fix it. Bush has ignored the actual grown-ups from the Iraq Study Group, the generals and all other experts who are nearly unanimous in the opinion that more troops will not help.
So, like I said, it's up to you and me. We need to make sure that the new Congress curbs executive power, which has been so misused, and asserts its own power to make this situation change. Now.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 11:58:44 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
EAGLES FANS CORRECT NEWSPAPER OVER DON HENLEY COMMENTS
There's a slight correction to yesterday's (January 31st) story about Don Henley and the new Eagles album. While Henley did mention a 60-to-90 day timetable in regards to the new album while performing at the MGM Grand Garden Arena over the weekend, the Las Vegas Review-Journal apparently misunderstood what else he said. The newspaper quoted Henley as saying the Eagles would finish the record "if we don't kill each other first," but the highly accurate eaglesfans.com website reports that Henley was commenting about how much work has gone into the project, when he said they'd release it "if it kills us."
There's still no word on when the album might come out.
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 11:50:56 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
And the Eagles may be back too...
REPORT: NEW EAGLES ALBUM IN THE WORKS
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-01-31-eagles_x.htm
LAS VEGAS, Nev. (AP) — After nearly 30 years, California's classic rock group the Eagles may soon release their first album of all-new music.
Founding member Don Henley said during a private weekend concert that the band was nearing completion on an album of all-new material, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported on Tuesday.
"It's coming out in 60 to 90 days, if we don't kill each other first," Henley told the crowd Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Eagles and Henley spokesman Larry Solters said Wednesday there was no comment.
. . .
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 11:45:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hey Gretchen
You have a great show and trip and bring soveniers
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 11:25:26 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, pensive
Jostein,
I don't know whether or laugh or cry. It's not clear yet at all what venues they will be playing. The first few venues and the Heavy Rollers Tour logo sure made it seem like they were doing casinos, but it now appears they are doing smaller venues and festivals. Heck they’ve done state fairs recently so who knows. They have played quite a few casinos in the past in Atlantic City, Connecticut, Las Vegas and White River in Washington state last go around before the ones this time. Don’t worry the Native Americans only control about half the casinos in the US. Although I see the Mohegan’s got the management rights to one of the new ones in Pennsylvania they are building. Don’t worry if they come to Connecticut to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun you’ll never know you are on a reservation – it’s not like John Wayne or anything. In fact a lot of their revenues are from tourists. Mohegan Sun is building a new wing just for Asian clientele where Chinese and Japanese will be spoken by the dealers and the menu will be traditional ethnic foods – not what we get at fast food Chinese restaurants. The games offered will also be ethnic, rather than the standard black jack, roulette, etc. Typically concerts at the casinos have higher ticket prices and the best seats aren’t readily available to the general public since they are held back for high rollers as comps. Crowds can be more rowdy and more likely to be moving around during the show. Atlantic City is like any large city – two blocks from the boardwalk it’s all slums. Have a great trip and watch out for those lions. Only warning in this country is to watch out for Detroit Lions because they stink really bad.
I'm really psyched about seeing DF et al tomorrow and Saturday. Weather looks good with the storm being done by noon tomorrow. I've got some live DF from last year, a DF Roadhouse recording from the early 90s and of course NYR&SR - which really isn't recorded that well to play on the drive.
Did someone say they were staying at the Sky Top Motel - Kingston,NY
30 Forest Hill Drive, Kingston, NY 12401. I was making a list of hotels in case it gets late just in case. The reviews here from hotel guides don't sound so good. I'll stick to the Holiday Inn.
Guest review: Appalling hotel - I checked out two hours after checking in - lobby was smelly and dirty - Apr 2006
Guest review: Convenient to area activities - private entrance, beautiful view of mountains - needed better soundproofing - continental breakfast wasn't very good, just wrapped pastries that weren't fresh - Nov 2005
Guest review: Convenient to I-87 - showers had no hand-holds for older travelers - breakfast needed improvement - Sep 2005
Guest review: I got what I paid for - recently renovated - convenient to downtown, located on hilltop with nice view of town - quaint stone fireplace in lobby - 2nd-rate linens - Aug 2005
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 11:22:09 ET
Posted by: laqrry, unknown
Wow The Police r back!
Now thats a real band! Sure beats wasting money on SD hasbens!
thoughts encouraged
Larry
Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 07:43:44 ET
Posted by: Mister & Miss Understood, Caesars Palace, Berlin
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Hi y'all!
I've heard that Steely Dan is going to play at Casino's their next tour. Me and my wife will probably head west, over the pond, to catch them "in the ray" so to speak, ha ha, next summer.
But, though I love my wife very much and don't want anything bad happen to her, brings me to the urge of asking a few questions:
We went to the Serengeti National Park in Kenya 1997, and a few dramatic incidents, involving two wild Lions, a Terrier and a Badger, occurred. My beloved wife got a little traumatized by those awful events and told me later that night, when she was calm and safe back in our hotel room (and even safer behind the mosquito net), that Africa - never more.
So, these Indian Reservations you have over there, are those safe for the European population? Does one have to stay in the Jeep and under no circumstances leave the Vehicle until one is safe and sound at the Ornamental Gateway to the Casino in question? I must say I don't think anything bad will happen, the last time I heard about indians attacking people where at the Wounded Knee, and that must have been back in the 1960's.
But, I would be awfully thankful for advices concerning Sun Protection Factors, Camping gears, what kind of Tent to use, IF such thing as a Tent is "on the list", and other questions such as Weapons, Ammunition etc etc...
Yours sincerly; Jostein Torgnes, Oslo, Norway
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Date: Thurs, February 01, 2007, 05:21:06 ET
Posted by: tristan fabriani, fire island
oh milo, you assume someone is "looking out" for others by prattleing on; if i wanted weather i would type in weather and search...or are we not capable of such high function??? i know even you can find something other than the bluebook when online...such a dump this place has become, you all make me sick- the most pathetic thing is how you put on airs and make such a show of what we really know is nothing- most of you simply look shit up online and then regurgitate it as your own "amazing" opinion or insight- and all your false online friends just think you are so cool. sad, really.
i for one will enjoy the show this weekend, and hope not to run into any of you. for the few real people here, have a nice day.
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 22:44:38 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, rainy Houston
Have fun this weekend, y'all. And make sure you let us know if you got the Bear or the Bear got you!
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 22:17:40 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hi Walaka,
Finally got a copy of Sanpaiku...can see why you are into it.
It's a bit different, isn't it? An experiment, perhaps.
This version has 2 distinct parts: the first has a very strong
flute and multiple layers of vocals, the second part has no
flute, but keyboards instead with no vocal layering. The drums
are an unusual beat and very strong throughout. Definitly has
that "netherworld" feeling. Kind of cool, in a odd sort of way.
The lyrics are intriguing...bad intentions carrying through to
the next dimension. I will listen to this one again.
G
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 15:21:08 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Any plans for a get-together Friday night?
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 12:12:14 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
It's too bad Bearsville doesn't offer PAY-PER-VIEW webcasts from
the shows like Levon does for his Midnight Rambles!
That would bring in some extra money for the place I'm sure.
I know they have the tech to do it.
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 10:31:33 ET
Posted by: New York Times, January 5, 2007 RIP
Vincent Sardi Jr., Restaurateur and Unofficial ‘Mayor of Broadway,’ Dies at 91
Vincent Sardi Jr., who owned and managed Sardi’s restaurant, his father’s theater-district landmark, for more than half a century and became, by wide agreement, the unofficial mayor of Broadway, died yesterday at a hospital in Berlin, Vt.. He was 91 and had lived in Warren, Vt., since retiring in 1997.
Mr. Sardi ran one of the world’s most famous restaurants, a Broadway institution as central to the life of the theater as actors, agents and critics. It was, the press agent Richard Maney once wrote, “the club, mess hall, lounge, post office, saloon and marketplace of the people of the theater.”
Mr. Sardi understood theater people, loved them and was loved in return. He carried out-of-work actors, letting them run up a tab until their ship came in. (At one point, Sardi’s maintained 600 such accounts.)
He attended every show and made sure his headwaiters did the same, so that they could recognize even bit players and make a fuss over them. At times, he exercised what he called “a fine Italian hand,” seating a hungry actor near a producer with a suitable part to cast.
He commiserated with his patrons when a show failed, and rejoiced with them when the critics were kind. He distributed favors, theater tickets and food, rode on horseback with the local police, and acted as a spokesman, official and unofficial, for the theater district.
Mr. Sardi was born on July 23, 1915, in Manhattan and spent his early childhood in a railroad flat on West 56th Street, where his parents took in show-business boarders. In 1921, his father took over a basement restaurant in a brownstone at 246 West 44th Street. He named it the Little Restaurant, but theater people called it Sardi’s, and so it became.
The family lived upstairs. When the building was razed in 1927 to make way for the St. James Theater, Sardi’s moved to its current location, at 234 West 44th.
Vincent Jr., whom his father called Cino, attended Holy Cross Academy on 43rd Street. He got a taste of the theater at an early age, appearing as Pietro, an Italian urchin, in “The Master of the Inn” at the Little Theater when he was 10. The play closed quickly, but not before Vincent learned about the subtleties of the actor-director relationship. When he pointed out that an Italian would say “addio,” not “adios,” he was told to keep his opinions to himself and read the line as written.
In 1926, the Sardis moved to Flushing, Queens, where Vincent graduated from Flushing High School. He entered Columbia University intending to become a doctor, but failed the chemistry examination, in part because, short of pocket money, he had sold his textbook at Barnes & Noble so he could attend a dance. He transferred to Columbia Business School and earned a degree in 1937.
In the meantime, he began working in the family business on weekends, earning $14 a week. “My duties included stints at the cigarette counter, shifts at the cash register and a few attempts at being a Saturday headwaiter in the upstairs second-floor level,” he recalled in Playbill.
He also learned how to cater to Sardi’s unusual clientele. When Broderick Crawford was appearing in “Of Mice and Men,” Vincent was volunteered to take the actor’s Doberman for its nightly walk.
Mr. Sardi spent two years learning the food-service business at the Ritz-Carlton before rejoining Sardi’s in 1939 as dining-room captain. That year he married Carolyn Euiller. The marriage ended in 1946.
In 1942 he joined the Marine Corps, which took one look at his résumé and assigned him to run the bachelor officers’ mess at the Cherry Point Air Station in North Carolina. The next year he was sent to Okinawa, where he supervised a rest camp. He left the Marines as a captain. In 1946, he married Adelle Rasey, an actress. That marriage, too, ended in divorce.
In 1947 Vincent Sr. retired, and Vincent Jr. took over the restaurant, buying it from his father. Sardi’s was already renowned as a place where deals were made, gossip circulated and actors and producers made it their business to see and be seen. “The restaurant had a central place in the theater,” said Gerald Schoenfeld, the president of the Shubert Organization. “You could walk in at lunch and do a day’s business, see people you hadn’t seen in a long time. You didn’t think of going anywhere else.”
Mr. Sardi, a tall, affable man with a military bearing, perfected the art of seating enemies far apart and putting friends and potential allies near one another. “He was always the soul of politesse, but where he seated you could be crucial to making a deal,” said the producer Arthur Cantor.
Mr. Sardi also knew how to keep temperamental actors happy. “You’ve got to be awfully careful with actors out of work,” he told an interviewer. “They’re very sensitive about their fading prestige, and I know darn well they scrimp to come in here, on the chance that they’ll be considered for a part. Boosting an actor’s ego with a table in a good location is simply my way of giving him a pat on the back.”
When he was not running the restaurant, Mr. Sardi raced cars, played polo and skied. He was also president of the Greater Times Square Committee in the 1960s and the Restaurant League of New York in the 1970s.
If Sardi’s was a club, its rules were mysterious. Only Mr. Sardi knew them, and only he could explain why, for many years, one of the best tables was held for Mr. and Mrs. Ira Katzenberg. The Katzenbergs, who by the early 1950s had attended virtually every Broadway opening for 30 years, took their seats at Sardi’s at 7:15 and ordered, without fail, a brandy and a bottle of Saratoga water. Mr. Sardi called them his favorite customers.
“People like them keep the theater alive, and the theater is their life,” he said. “The least we can do is give them the best table in the house.”
Mr. Sardi could do nothing about the autograph hounds and the photographers who crowded around the entrance. But inside the front doors, his word was law. Diners were not to be disturbed.
Sardi’s shone brightest on the opening night of a Broadway show, and in the 1960s, a show opened nearly every night. The ritual never varied. In a line that stretched down 44th Street, theatergoers, theater insiders and celebrity watchers clamored for a table, hoping against hope to be seated on the first floor, where they could see cast members, producers and the playwright of the moment entering the restaurant after the curtain rang down. As the actors made their way to their tables, the diners would stand and applaud.
Once seated, the actors, producers and playwright would put on a brave face waiting for the reviews. The first 25 copies of The New York Times and The New York Herald Tribune were rushed over to Sardi’s from the printing presses at midnight, with the review pages marked. Mr. Sardi would man the telephone, taking calls from friends of the cast, ticket brokers and newspaper columnists eager to get a read on the fate of the new play. If the reviews were poor, a pall descended over the dining room, and diners would slink out the door. If the reviews were good, it was Champagne all around and a celebration until the wee hours.
“All of us on the staff were caught up in each Broadway play,” Mr. Sardi wrote in Playbill. “We became involved in the raising of money, the casting of roles, the progress of rehearsals, and, after opening night, the success or failure of a play.”
In 1946, hoping to capture some of the excitement of Sardi’s, the radio station WOR created “Luncheon at Sardi’s,” an hourlong program in which the host moved from table to table, microphone in hand, interviewing celebrities. In 1949, the show spawned a television spinoff, “Dinner at Sardi’s,” which failed to catch fire. The celebrities had a bad habit of using their air time for shameless self-promotion.
Undeterred, Mr. Sardi appeared as himself in two television dramas in the mid-50s, “Catch a Falling Star,” on “Robert Montgomery Presents,” and “Now, Where Was I?” a CBS production. He also turned out a cookbook, “Curtain Up at Sardi’s” (1957), which he wrote with Helen Bryson. It included, of course, the restaurant’s signature dish, cannelloni with Sardi sauce, a homey curiosity in which French crepes were stuffed with ground chicken, ground beef, spinach and Parmesan cheese, then topped with a velouté sauce enhanced with Hollandaise, sherry and whipped cream.
By the late 1950s, Sardi’s was grossing about $1 million a year, and in 1958, looking to expand, Mr. Sardi opened Sardi’s East, at 123 East 54th Street.
Mr. Sardi threw his all into the new venture. He arranged for theatergoers to be taken to Broadway on a London double-decker bus. He hired out-of-work actors as conductors. He lured his father out of retirement and installed him as manager. Sardi’s East never caught on, however, and Mr. Sardi sold it in 1968.
By the 1960s, the Times Square area was deteriorating, the theater district was becoming more dangerous and the vibrant world of culture that had nourished Sardi’s entered a period of decline. To make matters worse, in 1974, Mr. Sardi embarked on a ruinous venture, opening a 700-seat dinner theater in Franklin Square, on Long Island. The theater burned money for two years before closing.
At Sardi’s, critics complained, standards seemed to be slipping. “Those who go to the restaurant to observe celebrities will rarely be disappointed,” Mimi Sheraton wrote in a 1981 review for The Times. “Those who go for good food that is well served will rarely be satisfied.”
Gradually, Sardi’s became a tourist destination. The lunchtime business evaporated. The restaurant was showing its age. In September 1985, Mr. Sardi sold it for $6.2 million to two producers from Detroit, Ivan Bloch and Harvey Klaris, and the restaurateur Stuart Lichtenstein. They announced plans to bring back the old luster and open up a Sardi’s restaurant, hotel and casino in Atlantic City. Instead, they fell behind on payments, declared bankruptcy and closed the restaurant in June 1990.
Mr. Sardi, who had planned to spend a tranquil retirement in Vermont, resumed ownership of Sardi’s in 1991. He gave it a facelift, leaving intact the 700 or so caricatures of theater people that hang on the walls. He also brought in serious chefs, who gradually improved the quality of the food, although Sardi’s, even in its heyday, never owed its reputation to its kitchen. As his health declined, Mr. Sardi spent less and less time at the restaurant, turning its operation over to his partner, Max Klimavicius, who will continue to run the business, a restaurant spokesman said yesterday.
Mr. Sardi is survived by his wife, the former June Keller; three children, Paul, of Coco Beach, Fla.; David, of San Diego; and Tabitha, of Manhattan; a sister, Anne Gina Sardi of Stamford, Conn.; nine grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren. A daughter, Jennifer, died earlier.
The family plans to hold a memorial service at a date to be announced but at a location that is certain: Sardi’s.
Godspeed, a very cool dude.....a bodacious cowboy......
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 10:15:06 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work
I'm going to both shows. Got seats for Friday but only SRO for Saturday - one of the resaons I'm going Friday too. I'll post a setlist, etc. whenever I wake up Sat morning. I may still be up at 3AM - who knows. I'll be putting some miles on - 2 hours each way both days - could be a late night - all 2 lane roads. It's about 24F out right now. Looks like the snow won't be a problem either day - maybe a few flurries -tempsare actually seasonable this weekend - much colder next week. If it's bad we'll take the monster SUV so we'll be there no matter what. We usually get about 140 inches of snow at our house - we're 1200 feet above sea level so snow doesn't bother us much. This year we haven't had even 1 inch total.
Hey Mark from Boston - how are you guys driving out? Mass Pike to Albany and then the NY Thruway south - or are you going cross country? Be sure to buy your gass while still in Mass. Prices in CT and NY may make you pass out.
If you decide to take the scenic route email me - I may be able to help. Just like in the War of the Worlds remake or any military campaign it's all about the bridges and where you are going to cross the Hudson. FYI there are no ferries across the Hudson north of the GW. That was a cinematic liscence.
Date: Wed, January 31, 2007, 08:31:45 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Viktor has posted again at Lexi Says...
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 23:37:44 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
I have a few extra tickets for sat nite. Face. Email me if anyone is interested.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 21:19:04 ET
Posted by: Newark, Newark, MD
God bless you, Vincent Sardi, Jr. Like his obit says, "He was a beloved man from a bygone era who worked the room and everybody in it like a consummate host." In college on a NYC trip, we sort of fell into Sardi's for lunch, not knowing it was a famous joint--that is until we sat down and noticed all the pics, and Mr. Sardi came over and sat with us and chatted--What a prince! I so remember the rolls were kinda stale, but hey, it was a cool time.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/obituaries/198779,CST-NWS-xsardi05.article
Enjoy the Bearsville show, folks--sounds very choice. I really like Ollabelle's cover of "Jesus on the Mainline," and I used it in a "Soundtracks" course project where we had to replace the original music in a scene. I used "Jesus . . ." replacing one of the surging surf's-up guitar track in Pulp Fiction--in the scene where Vincent scores smack from Lance, fires up, and drives over to Mia's all fked up. The ironic counterpoint was absolutely diabolical--delicious, if you will (. . . Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want). After I showed my (3 min.) project to the class, they just stared not believing I paired that particular music with that particular movie scene. It was a cool time too. Again, have a groovy time this weekend, what a crew going! Play by play please. Newark
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 20:58:38 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks to all for the restaurant suggestions. Although I am not going to NY this weekend, planning a road trip this March or April and would like to visit a few clubs, etc. I will keep your suggestions in mind. I appreciate it.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 20:33:32 ET
Posted by: Muhammed Al-Qahhar Al-Majid Abu-Bakr Johnson, the magnificent!
Yo Lib, gonna bring that boney, waifish, gay son of yours to the show? Richard Simmons could use a date.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 20:21:09 ET
Posted by: Uncle Chooch, Bayside, Queens
Antny, disis yer Zio Chooch, do I needs to remind yuz I co-signed the note for you on that H1. Listen you little scungill', you put one scratch on dat ting up in Hippie land Woodstock to see that s'tunad Donald Faggin, I chop your asz up, roll it and smoke it like one a dose Ee-lectical Bananas from Mellow Yellow. Ya punk, I'm callin Rose right now. If you fuggup my ride, your meat, testa di culo. Watch yourself is all I'm sayin.
I always knew that scungacato was no good. Hey Maaaa! Get me a bicarb...I think I'm gonna be sick.
Chooch
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 19:50:37 ET
Posted by: Cuzzint Antny,, Staten I.
we gotta a fuggin H1 wit knobbies. ain't nuttin stoppin us. weez goin up there show or no show!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 19:45:54 ET
Posted by: You could try...,
the Monster Bar across from Christopher Park, West Village for some fine food and tunes...
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 18:50:39 ET
Posted by: RR, nell cielo di blu
Almost forgot! Later we'll have St Al on to talk about his new Steely Dan cook book!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 18:42:17 ET
Posted by: Rachel Ray, nell cielo di blu
Hey there everybody, welcome to the Rachel Ray Show, I'm Rachel Ray and today we're gonna make some yummy mostoccioli in a basil, San Jaques reduction sauce so dontcha go way, we'll be riiiight back...
"Hi, this is Mario Perillo from the other side, I'm not around anymore to take you for a ride, I mean, take you on a tour to beeeeutiful Italie but my son Steve is carrying on the family tradition. For myself, I'm getting a three day leave from here to shoot on down to the Olabelle shows with Donald Fagen this weekend....wheeeeeewww!!!!! I'll just take the A train uptown and get on that Metro North train up to Poughkipsee, short sleigh ride up to Kingston, hitch them doughgiees up on my hot Iditerod and moooosh up the mountain to Woodstock where it's just a quick cross-country ski ride to Bearsvile!!!"
Arrrevederci!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 18:28:00 ET
Posted by: Channel Hopping, blanket on the beach
Is this the Food Network? Where the hell am I?
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 18:06:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah, figlio di puttana
When in Roma, stick to the Trastevere section for a great dinner at a slammin' price. Try a place called, La Mia Pattaccha but don't expect a menu. You arrive at 7, you eat what Mama has made that night.
These joints happen to be among my favorites.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 17:55:20 ET
Posted by: Zagat, Manhattan
Denise - Yeah right, It's always a good idea to take advise about restaurants in NYC from someone like Rajah who lives 3000 miles away in California. Stick with people like Bob and Malcolm who have been living in Manhattan for 20+ years. You know what they say, when in Rome....
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 17:44:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Denise, you guys should go to Birdland and catch a real classy evening:
http://www.birdlandjazz.com/
Dinner is unspectacular but decent.
Or you could slum it a bit and go to this old speakeasy near Sheridan Square called Chumley's on Bedford St., you enter from a little alley off Barrow. Food: so-so, atmosphere: old Manhattan at it's best. Check out the underground railway passage under the bar. Then hoof it over to 55Bar and hear some great local jazz musicians. Carlock plays there, Oz Noy, Krantz.
Or if you want what I consider the best old school Italian joint downtown it's this place on 12th in the East village, it's understated moniker: John's.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g60763-d478638-Reviews-John_s_Restaurant-New_York_City_New_York.html
Don't mind the cracks in the tile floor or the bad lighting. Been there forever, not trendy, just the real Goomba deal. Order clams pasilipo.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 17:26:40 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
Milo- Again, if Fagen and his wife were so concerned they would have put these shows on in the Spring instead of the dead of Winter.
Bar American is damn good! Trendy restaurants go out of business after a year or two. Flay's restaurants stay open for years. "Old School" you say? Gallagers Steak House on West 52nd and Le Bernadine on West 51st are great "old school" eatery's in that area. What's the sense of going to Sardis when the food sucks and the prices are ridiculous? If that's "old school"...I'm never going back.
See you in Bearsville!!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 17:13:12 ET
Posted by: Restaurant Freak, Near Sardi's
Denise go to The Firebird on Restaurant Row, two people can eat for around $450.00.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 17:10:00 ET
Posted by: Milo, Wishing I Was Going To New York
Hey Bob,
I think everyone including Don & Libby are worried about the RECORD cold and threat of snow this weekend. No one wants to see a cancellation notice. Just wish I could go. No matter how cold.
I also believe that Ray said, he was looking to do something "old
school". With respect for the history of Broadway. Something not
trendy. Bobby Flay is definitely "trendy". Enjoy the shows and please report in! I'm envious!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 16:44:11 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Not in ANYBODY'S lap, thank you
Bearsville or bust! I will be at both shows this weekend and I can hardly wait! What a great opportunity this will be to see Don in a different environment, and looking forward to Ollabelle, too! And of course, seeing some of my dear Danfriends.
For all you out of New Yorkers, dress warmly! It's been colder than.... really cold over here and the farther north you go the colder it's gonna get. Frosty doesn't even begin to cover it. It was something like 4 degrees on Saturday with the windchill making it feel like -12 degrees. Frosty!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 16:42:33 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
Milo - If Donald and Libby were so concerned about the cold and snow they never would have set a February date in Woodstock for these shows in the first place.
Denise - Where would I recommend? Pretty much anywhere but Sardis. In that area I would checkout Bar American on West 52nd Street. It's the new Bobby Flay restaurant that's right up the street from Roseland. Ruby Foos is good, it's on 50th and Broadway. Virgils BBQ is great it's on West 44th street.
A ton of good places to eat in midtown. But because it's tourist location you just have to be careful and stay away from places like Sardis.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 16:09:48 ET
Posted by: Milo, Getting Hungry
You know, a vast majority of Steely Dan/Fagen songs have references to fine dining and/or drink:
Janie Runaway - Let's grab some takeout from Dean and Deluca
Lunch With Gina - Lasts forever, Another Tanqueray
Here At The Western World - With sausage and beer
Things I Miss the Most - The good copper pans
Glamor Profession - Szechuan dumplings, At Mr. Chow's
The Goodbye Look - Won't you pour me a Cuban breeze Gretchen?
Black Cow - And get out of here
Haitian Divorce - She drinks the zombie from the cocoa shell
Bad Sneakers - And a pina colada my friend
Babylon Sisters - Drink kirschwasser from a shell
FM - Hurry the bottle, mama, it's grapefruit wine
Deacon Blues - Drink Scotch whiskey all night long
I'm sure there are more. A lot of "Gatorhate" being drunk here lately. Just a thought from another proud "Blithering Idiot".
But we "Blithering Idiots" aren't little people who hide behind anonymous posts and talk to stuffed animals for courage.
I for one am "interested" in the weather picture in Woodstock. I can't go and I hope those who can, can dodge this weather bullet.
I want reports about two killer shows, not text messages about cancellations! I really think Ray was looking out for out-of-town travelers. It seemed to me that he was trying to help people be safe. I'm sorry, but it IS freaking cold out there right now. The cold and cancellation worries must also be on the minds of Libby and Donald -
Lexi Says
1/28/2007
I, Viktor,
Now trembling with excitement from anticipation of special Woodstock Koncert featuring fantastik group Ollabelle with very special guests Donald "The Nitefly" Fagen and Phoebe Snow. And speaking of snow,
have just received my ekstra-special heated pants liner from Cozy Winters which will protekt Viktor from freezing mercury and record snow levels expekted this weekend. Am desperately hoping no kancellation of dynamite show. See you, do not want to be you (joke),
Viktor Nabulkin
NYC
See you haters. Don't want to be you. (not a joke)
http://cozywinters.com/shop/wg-hpl.html
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 16:03:17 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Bob, just curious, where would you recommend?
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 15:14:48 ET
Posted by: LOL,
Bob -- That's fabulous!
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 15:12:40 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
Rajah -I guess you'll have to count on me for the play by play for Friday night. Because even if Girl Margaret is going, she can't really watch the show when she's sitting on the lighting guy's lap.
Sardis is a joke. It passed it's prime long ago and now it's just a plain old tourist trap. The only New Yorkers that are eating at Sardis are the nearby Broadway actors that get a 50% discount. Have fun Luker Ray and don't forget your gloves.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 14:47:01 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Rajah Phelps
Do they make that beer in a lite?
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 14:40:49 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Viktor says...
Viktor Nabulkin may be attending the friday show, but I'm not sure. New post on the Lexi page with a link to purchase $190 heated pants...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 14:27:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bob, if that's true then you have a heavy responsibility to all of us here, you know what you have to do, you have to memorize every single solitary ocurrence at the Friday show. Could've sworn our Girl Margaret would be in attendance, she's not too awfully far from there. Some of the NYC people must be making the trek, hmmm.
This is your mission should you accept it.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 14:18:58 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Re: Bearsville: Am I the only person here that's going to the Friday night show? It seems like everybody is going Saturday and nobody is going on Friday.
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 13:50:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah, every village needs one
http://www.epinions.com/content_146175266436
Can I get some beer nuts with that?
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 09:20:36 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Lurker Ray there's something magical about NYC, eh. Unfortunately being the chef that I am I would blanche a what Sardi's will charge you for that gastronomical treat. Speaking of culinary delights St.Al is looking for recipes for the Steely Dan CookBook, anyone up for some Bodhisttava Mousakka??
Well the Bearsvillefest is shaping up very nicely. Only 5 days to go whoohoo!
Grechen we're expecting snow for the day of your arrival and the temps range from 33f to 40f during the day. Bring warm clothing and don't forget your slippers our woodfloors have a tendency to be a little chilly!
Can't wait!!
Fife
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 08:52:07 ET
Posted by: surprised, at the hostility
Jeez, you people are cruel - what the hell, Ray, have a good time. Party it up...
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 08:49:45 ET
Posted by: HUH?,
LOL---did I just read a tribute to a horse on here??
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 01:46:06 ET
Posted by: i see thru you, everywhere...
lurker(loser) ray
we already have one "rajah; we certainly dont need another. He may be a blithering idiot, egotistical and self absorbed, but he is funny and quite intelligent- 2 things you are not.
dont look things up online and pretend this is off the cuff knowledge you have- please, we are not stupid. and stop with the weather already what is wrong with you?
shut it
Date: Tues, January 30, 2007, 01:42:28 ET
Posted by: TF, III, Sardi's
Lurker Ray -- You are off the hook. Why in name of all that is Holy do I/we need to know about what the fuck you are eating for dinner at that overrated Manhattan grubbery?! Are you the Iron Chef? Queer Guy with a Straight Eye? Fuckin' Emeril Lagasse? What the fuck. Talk music -- not culinary bullshit. I hope to Christ you are getting fuckin' colonics every few months to clean that shit (yes, shit) out of your ascending and transverse colons. Try some twigs and nuts while you are in the NYC. Fuckin' eh! Oh, why the fuck go to Woodstock to see DF fuck around in the sticks. I love the Dan, but get a life. I hope DF does not decide to take a piss in the woods, you will likely get frostbite out there walking around in his tracks. Here's a tip: don't eat yellow snow there Captain. Peace out!
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 23:44:39 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu Tonight, New York Tomorrow
Well I'm off to the Big Apple tomorrow
morning. I thought I'd take one more
look at the Woodstock weather forecast
before I left. I wish I hadn't!
Thursday Night and Friday
Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Lows 15 to 20. Highs in the upper 20s.
Friday Night and Saturday
Partly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow showers. Lows 10 to 15. Highs in the mid 20s.
Saturday Night and Sunday
Partly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow showers. Cold. Lows 5 to 10 above. Highs around 20.
Great. So let's bundle up people and remember,
let's be careful out there. At least I'm leaving on
Sunday. Just take a look at the Sunday & Monday forecast!
Sunday Night
Partly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Cold with lows around zero. Wind chill values as low as 15 below.
Monday
Partly sunny with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Cold with highs 10 to 15. Wind chill values as low as 20 below in the morning.
DAMN! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Even though it will be cold, I'm looking forward
to my stay in Manhattan. I'm going to Conan on
Wednesday, guests Sienna Miller and Paul Weller.
I dig Paul Weller, so that should be cool. I've
decided to go see "Spring Awakening" on Thursday
night. I've heard nothing but rave reviews for the
show. The music was written by Duncan Sheik.
I like to usually do the "old school-Great White Way"
thing and start with pre-show vodka martinis and cheese &
crackers at the bar at Sardis. Then it will be a short
walk or cab ride over to the Eugene ONeill Theatre on
49th for the show and then back to Sardis for a late-
night dinner. I love to start off with the
Parma Prosciutto with Chilled Asparagus Drizzled with
Truffle Oil. Divine. Then I usually have the Classic
Caesar Salad followed by world famous Sardi's Steak Tartar.
But that is usually my "Spring or Summer fare". But
it's so damn cold so I'll probably go with the Prosciutto
followed by the Classic Onion Soup au Gratin, followed
by the Grilled Sirloin Steak served with Roasted Corn,
Chive Whipped Potatoes, Haricots Verts (just French-cut
green beans people), Julienne Portobello Mushrooms and
Roasted Shallots with a Cabernet Beef Jus Reduction.
I've never left Sardis hungry that is for sure. And I can't
recommend it enough. Old school baby. I'm not into "trendy".
Then I'm off to Kingston & Woodstock for the Bearsville shows
Friday & Saturday. Well I better finish packing. Good night
all and safe journeys to those fellow travelers this week.
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 21:55:26 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, cold, cold, cold
Bob, unfortunately I am attending only the Saturday show in Bearsville this weekend.
Fife, keep me updated on the weather for Thurs and Fri in Baltimore so I know how to dress down there........
G
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 21:26:04 ET
Posted by: Charlie Freak,
I am going to Barrytown! Rhinebeck (and Cliff) is cool also. Good Latin American-type restaurant downtown. Maybe the Hudson R. will be frozen stuff that begins to crack?
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 21:02:51 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham
W1P and Raj - yeah, that's David Garibaldi from Tower Of Power. Great feel and groove player! He, amongst many others, would've been a great fit with the Dan. He can groove his natural ass off!!
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 18:44:56 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Fife - Please add 4 more to your dinner list for Saturday at the Skytop. (myself, Fezman, SpongeBill and another Mark). Looking forward to Bearsville and maybe a side trip to Bard College on Saturday.
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 17:52:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Alas, mi droogies, I will not be in attendance in Bearsville. If I take anymore time off from the office for Steely Dan the Old Man will murdelize me but my willowy and charming fashionista wife will be there fresh from her sea salt butt scrub at Chumash. She'll be down front gaping up at Donald seemingly on the edge of tears or in a high state of sexual arousal or likely both. Fortunately, Fife and Sam will be chaperoning so the threat of her getting up on stage like she did at Soboba (I'm convinced that was her) and shakin her money-maker up in Donald's grill seem, well, remote. She'll be wearing a skin-tight catsuit with thigh highs and one of those grabbing devices they advertise on cable to snatch Fagen's Yoo-Hoo bottle from out its cozy. Or maybe she'll be groping at something else but in any case, if you see this woman, beware, she may be armed, hysterical and dangerous.
Isn't that David Garibaldi on What is Hip? He played drums in the Buddy Rich band. Now there's a chair, Yellowjackets, lots of others.
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 17:36:09 ET
Posted by: W1P, Down to the Nightclub
Tower of Power is playing Chumash in February. Isn't the drummer on What Is Hip some "monster" drummer with massive credits beyond Tower of Power? Raj, you know the band Rat Bat Blue that does "The Five Minute Version of The Wall" on A Fair Forgery? Their lead singer, Ace, does FOH for Tower of Power.
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 17:06:45 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Raj - Why aren't you going to New York this weekend?
I'm jealous of all those that can go. Should be a
great time (if that snow holds off) ;-)
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 16:48:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I always had a hankerin to hear the band do "What is Hip?" by Tower of Power. "Freddie's Dead" by Curtis Mayfield or "Your Mind is on Vacation and Your Mouth is Workin Overtime" by Mose Alison. But the ultimate would be "Psychotronic Chump School" by the P-Funk. With Walter in a diaper and dreads ala Bootsy.
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 16:07:11 ET
Posted by: Jean,
Boy Gina....You must have good ears. I couldn't tell if Fagen was anywhere on that song. Mybe you to be French to ear it.
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 15:44:45 ET
Posted by: W1P, Cafe Du Monde
Bummer. Maybe the boys will do Lady Marmalade in lieu of Pearl of the Quarter?
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 14:32:46 ET
Posted by: Gina, Yvinek Mountain
aaaaaarrgghhhh.........
sorry for shouting, but i was browing the list in MySpace and then decided to check out Yvinek's page and then the first song started to play, i read it was from his project with Michael Leonhart (who told us Donald Fagen was a guest) and then everything went blank.
pathetic, isn't it? to still feel all giddy up when discovering these things.
BUT IT'S GREAT!!!
Donald Fagen singing on TIE ME UP (to the mast)....
great song, even reminds of Home At Last some and a nod in the horn arrangements too...
http://www.myspace.com/yvinek
THE INCREDIBLE MICHAEL LEONHART.THEY LOCKED THEMSELVES UP IN A STUDIO IN NYC LIKE IN THE GOOL OL' DAYS AND WROTE SOME MUSIC, LYRICS , PLAYED ALL THE INSTRUMENTS AND SANG ...AN UNEXPECTED VERY SPECIAL GUEST SHOWED UP AND GAVE IT A EXTRA SPECIAL VIBE , See if you can guess who he is .... SELECTED DISCOGRAPHY AS A LEADER: YVINEK v.s LEONHART-to be realeased early 2007-
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 13:06:44 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Gretchen,
Are you going to both shows this weekend?
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 13:03:54 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, sad news
RIP to Barbaro, 2006 Kentucky Derby winner.
G
Date: Mon, January 29, 2007, 02:45:07 ET
Posted by: Jim Ignatowski , reverend
Oh yeah, what's his name again? Uh... um.... hmm... it's uh... oh yeah now I remember, it's Marg Helgenberger's husband.
http://tinyurl.com/2a7uuy
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 19:39:33 ET
Posted by: Jim Ignatowski ,
I'm a psychic too Alex!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvOMIrVRFi4
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 18:40:15 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Oh, one other thing...if you see anything about WB's new CD, you'll let us know, won't you?
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 18:37:30 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Well, I sincerely hope your vision is accurate...cheers.
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 18:34:54 ET
Posted by: Juan, Dionne Warwick Dot Com
Denise - Yes I do. Right now I'm seeing a NYC show. However, Roseland isn't in the picture. Look for a Beacon Theater show some time at the end of May.
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 18:18:22 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey psychic, do you see them playing further up the east coast? Clue us in please.
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 18:11:01 ET
Posted by: Juan, The Pyschic Hot Line
Yes, I am a pyschic. This will be the setlist for the shows in May:
Turtle Talk
Bodhisattva
Time out of Mind
Aja
Godwacker
Hey 19
Josie
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
Last Tango
I'm also seeing FM taking the place of "Last Tango" at some of these shows.
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 17:41:28 ET
Posted by: Marina Blue, stingray
We have psychic in the house do we?
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 17:38:44 ET
Posted by: Louise, on the street
Damm!
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 17:29:57 ET
Posted by: Juan,
W1P - NO
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 17:18:46 ET
Posted by: W1P, Nawlins
Will the Dan play "Pearl of the Quarter" @ Jazzfest?
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 12:45:31 ET
Posted by: John, Nyc
In the new Rolling Stone (james brown issue) the editor talks a bout a new book...etc.. but they mention that the lines from Doctor Wu.."sing that stupid song/and every word we knew was true..." They said that those lines were the best lines ever written for rock music.---um, ok?!
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 10:33:50 ET
Posted by: Paranymphic Glider, 100 greatest rock guitar solos
Fezman, that top 100 rock guitar solos list starts here with the top 10...
http://guitar.about.com/library/bl100greatest.htm
...and the other blocks of 10 can be clicked to view. That page mentions that the list came from Guitar World "not too long ago", but not specifically when (and that page isn't dated either so who knows what "not too long ago" means). Kid Charlemagne is #88 so I assume it's the same list you saw anyway.
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 10:12:00 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Well 6 days and counting WhooHoo!! I'm still looking for a head count for dinner on Feb 3. So far we have 12. I've also found a really nice restaurant Skytop Steak House and Brewing company in Kingston, NY.
http://skytop.moonfruit.com/
Mr.Sam, Gretchen and myself are staying at the Skytop Motel:
http://www.skytopmotel.com/
so it seemed like a great fit. It's approximately 11 miles from the Bearsville theater. I've e-mailed the restaurant and made a reservation for 5 pm Saturday but a more accurate count would be nice!
Thanks
Fife
Date: Sun, January 28, 2007, 09:31:40 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
hello to all from the deep freeze.It is actually colder in boston today than it is at the north *^&%$#@ pole!!....I saw an article on-line a couple of days ago that listed the "top 100 guitar sol's ever" I must admit i can't remember which site it was,yahoo music maybe,there was only one listing for the boy's and that was larry Carlton's incredible Kid Charlemagne solo.I expected that but comming in at #88 shocked me,personally for me it is top ten no questions asked. Sorry i don't have the link perhaps someone else saw the list.....104 day's to "hard rock" Oh Yeah.....fezzie
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 23:28:36 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Angel, Holliday, Connie, Adorable Ghost, Eric, and other Chumash Danfesters... I have party pix of you developed finally, please e-mail me if you want them and I will send you the PDF files.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 22:49:08 ET
Posted by: prez logic, a week late and many dollars short
Belated greetings to the heavy rollers, heavy drinkers, and heavy thinkers of Hey 1/19,
Chumash was all everone said and more the last few days. It was great to meet Hoops, Rajah, Gretchen, Wicked Librarian, Suedave, Bobbo, Denise, Robbert from the Netherworld, Geoff, Robert & Laurie (great danfest btw), and equally great to reconnect with LWO, fast Eddy, Girl Margaret, Alan, Connie in the vineyards, and Jim from the Ventura Highway, and man what a show. IMHO the band sounded as if they were in mid-tour form, which thank goodness I know first hand from just last summer, and will again again in 2007! But there's more...To hang with those of my kind was and is a thrill because we come from all walks of life but share a common bond. I have commented recently with a lot of those listed above of my gratitude for them letting me in the family, especially without a background check, and their dandom acts of kindness, all of which have been unconditional. Plus words can't describe the feelings of a 12 year old in 1974 looking at the prospect of never seeing his favorite band live to now be 44 talking about seeing them again and again. It's awesome, no matter what's on the set list, and to be able to meet and greet fellow believers is icing on an already great cake.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 21:36:54 ET
Posted by: oleander, noland
Hey babies--
There MUST be a supreme being, or at least somebody somewhere picked up my call: For the last 5 years I've supplicated, "Won't the Dan ever play JazzFest??"
And lo, my orisons were heard!
If you want to see the entire lineup for both weekends, please make sure you're sitting down before you go to www.nojazzfest.com. The sheer volume of incredible acts is staggering. And for the skeptic below, the fest's full name is "New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival." If you give even a cursory look, you'll find more jazz than you could hope to digest in a year, all in two weekends, and enough zydeco, blues, R&B, rock, pop, and more to sate any musical desires. Plus the food is great. There are also lots of Fest-associated shows all over New Orleans after closing time.
A word to the wise: the time to find a good place to stay in NOLA is Feb.-Mar. Rooms tend to fill up fast.
Also, support WWOZ! http://wwoz.org/
And I have one extra Fri. night ticket for Bearsville. E me if interested.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 20:09:35 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA snow tonite
I'm with you A Ghost. Don't care what they play...it's Steely *F* Dan
After last weekend I think my wife is getting the Obsession.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 17:53:13 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Missing Y'all
Adorable Ghost, it was such FUNN meeting you! One of the true highlights of the weekend and that is saying something, since there were so many! I hope that we can stay in touch and if you get the chance to travel to one of the crew's hometowns, DO IT! That's one of the nicest things about this deal...we travel well together.
You're right, I think Rajah captured the essence of what it is about this group that we all love. Excellent essay! The man can write, as well as drink!
As for the Steely Dan trivia game, that needs to be a staple, Sue. If you make it to NO, by all means, bring it. We can play it in between the acts that are you know...so-so. Developing....
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 17:13:32 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in the frozen rain in Santa Ynez
Suedave- no worries about last weekend, it was great to meet you and if you ever head down this way be sure to bring that game- I'm intrigued....
Every once in a while I check out the Feverdreams site (as I am sure most of you do)- http://cordmeyer.spymac.com/etc.htm- that is the link to the "etc" section that I was perusing today- check out our Rajah's comments on "The Steely Dan Show"- if it resonates with you as if you wrote it yourself, then setlists don't really matter, do they? I'm not judging those here that have voiced complaints- I understand the frustrations- I missed out on the shows that had "Bad Sneakers" or "Any Major Dude" in the setlist and I hope one time to hear them live. Maybe it's because I have only seen SD six times that I am not affected by hearing the same songs over and over again. I'm still like a giddy puppy: "Steely Dan! Steely Dan! ok ok ok ok, let's go! 'My Old School' followed by 'FM', ok ok ok ok, let's go, let's go,ooh,uh,ah". After reading that on Feverdreams today, it just articulated why I could care less about what happens at the shows. To me it's all gravy.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 14:47:35 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, sweeping up
Must be retro rock weekend. We're viewing "Invincible" while tidying up the lair. Lots of old '70's hits that I have long forgotten spliced in through the scenes. My kids get a kick out me saying, "Yeah, 'Let It Ride' was one of my favorite cruising songs."
Also of note, the scene where it is announced that there are going to be open try-outs for the Philadelphia Eagles, which, of course, is the main theme of the movie, "Do It Again" is featured in the background playing in the bar where Papale works. That song always makes me smile.
One quick mention about New Orleans Jazzfest. It is a "festival" atmosphere....much different that the set-up last weekend. One of those deals where you tote your blanket, chair, whatevah and stay all day. There are 10 or so stages set up on the fairgrounds and you can move from place to place. Early May can be hot and humid, so think Steely Dan t-shirts, tank tops and shorts...no need to dress to impress!
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 14:28:47 ET
Posted by: Pharoah, Sanders
www.myspace.com/pharoahjazz
They should grab Pharoah Sanders and jam with that motherfucker. With that tone he'd blow the roof off the Aja song.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 13:45:24 ET
Posted by: Help Me Understand, Santa Barbara today
The interview is 14 years old. So are you saying that if Skunk were interviewed today, he'd retract the statement?
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 12:54:32 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
I knew those interviews were old - Skunk looks like he was still in the Doobs, Todd had yet to do that fab dye job he's rockin' now, and Bowie wasn't wearing a fabulous suit. Either way, fabulous. Loved that bit about Skunk saying he'd quit music if it weren't for Springsteen. As someone who was raised on Springsteen and has seen him live about ten times it warmed my heart right up!
Barely a week to Bearsville! Woohoo!
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 12:03:10 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Milo and Ray
In that respect Chumash was definitely quality rather quantity (HD,GW,BS)
Walty really did smoke that show
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 11:26:21 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I originally had no desire to go to the Chumash show because I didn't want to see the same show as the previous summer. However, aside from seeing DF in Chicago last year, it was my first time to see SD in a small venue. Big difference in the sound and even Donald's voice came across much better than in previous shows. More of a studio feel I guess you could say. I'll stick to the small venues in the future. As far as the setlist, what can we do. Probably in the next four to five years, we will be bitching about hearing Dr Wu too much and wondering when they are going to play FM again.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 11:15:30 ET
Posted by: Spam, Spam
That Skunk interview/docu is 14 years old.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 02:41:35 ET
Posted by: W1P, VH1 History of Rock N Roll
Todd Rundgren said The Dark Side of the Moon was the Sgt. Pepper's of the 70s. Skunk said that if it wasn't for Springsteen, he would have quit rock n roll.
Date: Sat, January 27, 2007, 02:07:43 ET
Posted by: Mule75, Philly
Re:Pharoah Sanders
Saw him a couple of months ago with McCoy Tyner. McCoy's still got it. Sanders was like a piece of toast, just not able to keep up. Legend, yes, but apparently no longer capable of cutting the mustard.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 23:46:36 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
Bad Sneakers was also played during the Y2K tour.
Jazz Fest in Nawlin's sounds like it'll be a killer gig.
KC
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 23:41:20 ET
Posted by: tried to tell you, inside out
about set length - as was posted here before but discounted by some: The Corporate wanted 90 mins about. The Casinos only 75 min. And what do you know that's about what happened.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 23:38:41 ET
Posted by: suedave, left coast
TGIF!!!
Way back to last weekend - Adorable Ghost - I must have misunderstood you and wish you had taken my number instead of the other way around. It was great meeting you on Friday. What a shame about us that we missed you on Saturday.
Chumash - grandiose fun all around - what fun hanging with the awesome folks on the blue who love this music as much as I do. No question about that. That's the beauty of this place, despite the complaints of those who come to well, complain. Its not that I wouldn't love it more if they mixed it up a bit, its just not worth whining about. If we're lucky enough to get to see Steely Dan, life is good. I agree that the 2000 tour had some of the best song selections. 1996 wasn't bad either - we got three new songs and other experimental tunes as well. 2003 was hot! I guess it was all the good old days. We just never know what the future brings. Live a little.
City of red beans & rice...developing!
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 22:51:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Hey Milo!
You forgot about "Haitian Divorce".
The SUITS didn't get that either.
That was for the FANS at Chumash.
And I agree with Rajah, that was
the BEST version I have EVER heard
Wally do! BTW, that Meyer Sound Rig
was sensational.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 20:38:06 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Yeah the "suits" got 3 more songs Craig. They could of been
under contract for a "specific" length of a show or they just
wanted to make a good impression.
EITHER WAY THEY DIDN'T GET GODWHACKER OR BABYLON SISTERS!
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 20:34:33 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cloud Nine and then some!
I'm watching the most delightful documentary on VH1 Classic, titled "The History of Rock and Roll." This part of the doc is about the 1970's and within a five minute span I heard The Skunk, Toddy Rund, and Bowie talking making the "perfect" album. I believe Skunk's words were "When I recorded with Steely Dan it took me six hours just to find a chair comfortable to sit in."
Uh-oh, Bowie's talking about theatrical performances. Don't wait up!
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 20:10:53 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah post kinda of shocked me about the setlist for the last 3 shows...Las Vegas and the suits got 3 more songs than Chumash and Friant. I wonder if they(SD) were under time constraints. Anybody here anything along those lines?
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 18:44:42 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Slight correction General..."The Steely Dan Show" was performed throughout the 2003 tour, as well.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 18:26:18 ET
Posted by: 50 Ways,
Jive Miguel, General and Jimmer.
This proves one thing. The setlist can be seriously altered from one date to another and they would never play the same setlist twice in a month of shows.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 17:50:48 ET
Posted by: jimmer, mt belzoni
hey general, that's the kind o f set list im talking about, they've goten away from the new stuff
btw- i was at the camden show,,, outstanding!
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 17:50:32 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Bigfan could you please e-mail me? That way I can e-mail everyone about what's going on for next Saturday en masse.
I've found a nice steak house brew pub in Kingson that looks promising.
Can't wait!!!
Fife
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 16:44:11 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
I know it's only fantasy and won't ever happen, but this is still fun to do.
Bodhisattva
Black Cow
Boston Rag
Jack of Speed
Florida Room
Everyone's Gone to the Movies (WB sings)
Fire in the Hole
Doctor Wu
Godwhacker
Glamour Profession
Time Out Of Mind
*BREAK*
FM
Night By Night
The Night Belongs to Mona
Home At Last
Lunch With Gina
Caves of Altamira
Haitian Divorce (WB sings)
King of the World
Kid Charlemagne
Bad Sneakers
Aja
*ENCORE*
IGY
My Old School
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 16:25:18 ET
Posted by: The General, Hackensack
Jimmer,
Heres the list played in 2000 2VN Tour. I had the privelege of being at 3 of those shows, and Boston Rag opened the 2nd set after intermission. It was one of the best moments of my life, besides Walter singing "Daddy" . There was also a "Bunsen" award given to Ted Baker if I'm not mistaken at the Tweeter Center, can't remember if they did for Jones Beach, PNC or the other shows. maybe somebody else can chime in on that one-
2000 Two Against Nature tour
The following songs were played during the 2000 shows:
Hank's Pad and The Steely Dan Show were songs played exclusively on the 2000 tour
Almost Gothic
Babylon Sisters
Black Friday
Bodhisattva
The Boston Rag
Cousin Dupree
Daddy Don't Live in That NYC No More
Dirty Work
Don't Take Me Alive
FM
Gaslighting Abbie
Glamour Profession
Green Earrings
Hank's Pad
Hey Nineteen
Home at Last
Jack of Speed
Janie Runaway
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Monkey in Your Soul
My Old School
Night by Night
Peg
The Royal Scam
The Steely Dan Show
West of Hollywood
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 15:53:35 ET
Posted by: angel,
Craig: That was not me in the 3rd row at Chumash.
Milo: Great shots. Love the one that Skip turned up in. :-)
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 15:52:22 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
New Edition? New Edition?! What kind of a jazz fest is this?
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 15:50:09 ET
Posted by: jimmer, mt belzoni
preface..... im a long time danfan, first saw them in 72, 74 and all other tours except '96, i'll blame that one on the dark ages of my american divorce
about the set lists
what about dr wu, your gold teeth, glamour profession, almost gothic and other lesser known GEMS. i mean why not!!!!!!!! they seem to avoid the newer stuff as if they arent proud of it and they should be damn proud of it!!!!!!!! The new stuff is outstanding and otherwise it seems like going to a tacky reunion tour of the 70's ear, they have so much more to offer
and for the encores..... my old school/FM every freakin time pa-leze! they can and should do better than that!
as for my encore request i say please bring back the boston rag from the 00? tour!and throw in everything must go AS A CHASER(they could even change to everyone must go
that's it i feel better now!
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 14:55:01 ET
Posted by: Pharoah, Sanders
There's only one jazz legend really, Pharoah Sanders. If he plays "You Gotta Have Freedom" the rock oriented audience at Jazz Fest is gonna be in serious culture shoclk
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 14:30:29 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham
Anybody notice just how very little JAZZ there is in the line up for the New Orleans JAZZ fest??
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 12:01:44 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Brrrrrrrr
I have an extra ticket to Donald's Saturday Bearsville show (that could be a song title, couldn't it?)
If interested, please email me..address above.
Thanks to all who made last weekend such fun
xoxoxo
G
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 11:10:43 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
European Tour: Steely Dan with the Police and Pink Floyd!
Well, pure speculation of course! But who knows.....follow this link:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6298779.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_6298779
Anyone heard any rumours about an Hawaii show?
Ann
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 10:28:19 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hey Angel
Tell me that wasn’t you sitting in row 3 with 2 other gals towards the end of the show at Chumash
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 10:21:27 ET
Posted by: Wizard Of Odds,
Wow! Donald and Walter are sharing the bill with Ludacris??? Can't wait to see D&W's pimp cup!
In case you missed it, Steely Dan is now known as "S-Thugz-2" on the New Orleans bill.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 07:30:49 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Or, to put it another way:
ZZ TOP, STEELY DAN, ALLMAN BROTHERS & GEORGE THOROGOOD BOOKED FOR NEW ORLEANS JAZZ FEST
Classic rockers will be well represented at the 38th annual New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival. The event takes place over two weekends, April 27 to the 29th and May 4th to the 6th, and groups including ZZ Top, Steely Dan, George Thorogood & the Destroyers, and the Allman Brothers Band will be there. Tickets went on sale yesterday (Thursday, January 25th) for Jazz Fest, which draws tens of thousands of music lovers every year to New Orleans. This year's headliner is native son Harry Connick, Jr., and he'll close the festival on May 6th.
* Producer-Director Quint Davis said, "Jazz Fest is an invitation to move your body and your soul. New Orleans is the best place in the world to listen to music and to sing and dance in an open and loving atmosphere, and this year we're presenting more music than ever. As always, Jazz Fest is going to give Festivalgoers the best opportunity to participate in this city's powerful and joyful integration of culture and community."
* Shows will take place simultaneously on 10 stages at the Fair Grounds Race Course from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. each day.
Classic rockers at the first weekend at Jazz Fest, April 27 to the 29th, will include (subject to change):
* Dr. John, Rod Stewart, Van Morrison, Bonnie Raitt, Richie Havens, Johnny Rivers, and George Thorogood & the Destroyers.
Classic rockers at the second weekend at Jazz Fest, May 4th to the 6th, will include (subject to change):
* Steely Dan, ZZ Top, the Allman Brothers Band, the Radiators, and Rolling Stones keyboardist Chuck Leavell.
Date: Fri, January 26, 2007, 07:04:19 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
RE: Steely Dan @ the 2007 New Orleans Jazz Fest
If one were to attend both weekends of the NOLA Jazz Fest, here's who else you'd see ALONG WITH Steely Dan:
Harry Connick, Jr.
Rod Stewart
Van Morrison
Bonnie Raitt
The Allman Brothers Band
Norah Jones
Brad Paisley
Dr. John
ZZ Top
Joss Stone
George Benson
Counting Crows
Taj Mahal
John Legend
Alen Toussaint
New Edition
Jill Scott
Irma Thomas
Ludacris
Jerry Lee Lewis
Pharoah Sanders
Calexico
Gilberto Santa Rosa
Lucinda Willians
Better Than Ezra
ALL ON THE SAME BILL, PEOPLE!!!!
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 23:49:17 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Well I knew it was a "real" organ.
It sounded Badass!
Hey Big Fan - >>man is it cold out<<
You are not kidding. Here is the
current temp in Woodstock, NY: -6.3 °F / -21.3 °C
Windchill: -17 °F
F#$%! Where is this "global warming"
when you need it! Looks like travel
in the area next week could be VERY
dicey. Here's the forecast so far
for my fellow "west coast" travelers
next week:
Monday 19° F | 3° F 40% chance of precipitation Chance of Snow
Tuesday 20° F | 6° F 40% chance of precipitation Chance of Snow
Great. Chance of snow. Well at least
I'm only staying 20 miles out in Kingston
Friday and Saturday night. Let's
keep our fingers crossed for "drivable
weather". I can deal with the cold,
but snow means "school closings" and could
squash this thing for next weekend.
Maybe Donald would think about doing
"Snowbound"!
"HERE'S THE QUESTION FOR TONIGHT/TOMORROW:
-Besides the Fagen show in Denver last year
that was postponed, "Do to snow", was there
ever a Steely Dan concert that was cancelled
because of weather?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 23:46:50 ET
Posted by: Paradise, can it be all I heard it was, Sytx Rocks
Well Raj, I like mine with lettuce and tomato
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 23:43:57 ET
Posted by: Dick Clark, Times Square
Milo, cool pix, but tell Dwight it's 2007
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 23:13:10 ET
Posted by: LESTER, MNT TOPS
Jeff was playing a Hammond.. looked like a B3 or something close to that... they made a lot of models.... AND it sounded like a real bonafide Leslie speaker set up.... with the spinning Tweeter and Bass Baffle.... They sound great.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 22:26:53 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong
DF says he based his version of Ruby Baby on the Drifters, not Dion and the Belmonts. It's in the liner notes of the Nightfly DVD-A.
'These are all songs that they REFUSE to do. The problem is, these are some of their best songs, and they have no right to prevent us from hearing them in a live setting.'
If you're not yet aware of what kind of rights SD has, I think the experience might get worse for you. I too wish it were different but I count my blessings. I don't have other pop music that I can listen to over and over and over and still find something new to marvel at.
I routinely play tracks for friends who don't know the band and half of them are struck that the albums were made years ago. That's how fresh the sound is.
I know people are complaining about the live experience, not the recordings. Maybe you'd best pick your spots to see shows. My live-show count is low but I have big considerations before I get on a plane. It takes time and money and I know I'm going to get massively jetlagged. For instance, I would consider New Orleans ahead of other random gigs because there will be so much other music there. If you're only dealing with set-list disappointment, I envy you...and encourage you to find something else in the experience.
For me, meeting other people from this site has a lot to do with what I get from making a long trip. Hope that happens this spring/summer.
Bill, you're an aspiring Satan, maybe. It's a tough gig with a lot of competition.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 21:29:44 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I forgot to mention that you can get a few side views of Jeff's organ (Ha Ha) in those Chumash shots. Lurker Ray and angel were
right. Oh it's probably a Hammond, but I can see the "Whirly" confusion. I mean Jeff's great CD is called "Songs from a Red Wurlitzer" and the Leslie Speaker does "Whirl around"!
He was smokin on that thing both nights last week.
He pulled out all the stops.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 21:28:45 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, man is it cold out
Fife - count us (two) in for Saturday at Bearsville. Maybe Hoops can start a new Danfest list. They do serve food right at the venue I believe. Doors open at 8? Show starts at 9?
I'm going Friday night too, so hopefully I'll have some lay of the land.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 21:01:44 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
Sure I wish they'd play some of the tunes I've not heard them play before. They've got a collection of world-class musicians and its a perfect opportunity to really explore some things.
I guess the way I look at it is that I ain't got no vote on the set list. So, when the band comes to MY TOWN I got two choices. I can save my sheckles because I don't want to hear Peg for the 4th time, or I can pay up and try to enjoy the moment and what they have chosen to play that evening. As the saying goes, "It's all good."
I choose the latter. If you choose the former, I hope you find what you are waiting for.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 21:00:13 ET
Posted by: NYB,
Satan here...
If I owned controlling interest in Steely Dan THIS would be the setlist.
Kings
Boston Rag
Midnight Cruiser
Don't Let Me Down (The Beatles)
Change Of The Guard
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
I'll Be Around (The Spinners)
King Of The World
Your Gold Teeth
Any Major Dude Will Tell You
* Break *
Parkers Band
Barrytown
West Of Hollywood
Florida Room
Book Of Liars (WB vocals)
Greenflower Street
Daddy Don't Live In That NYC No More
Doctor Wu
Throw Back The Little Ones
Rose Darling
* Encore *
My Old School
Here At The Western World
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 20:37:50 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Hey Chumash fans!
Here's a gift from Dwight!
http://www.dwightmccann.com/ChumashCasinoResort/SteelyDan01192007/SteelyDan01182007.html
GREAT STUFF DWIGHT! THANK YOU
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 20:37:46 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, The Streets of Culver City
About FM not being part of the setlist, I am pretty sure that they did not play FM during at least one of the 2006 Summer shows. At the Nissan Pavilion show in VA, they only did one encore which was surprising, and the encore was My Old School...There was no FM.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 19:26:21 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
I saw Buffett and I thought it was a boring show. I pulled up a setlist online, went to the show, counted down from song 1. He never strayed from the setlist from that entire LEG of the tour. The sound sucked, but it was at Irvine Meadows, where everything sucks except real estate. I probably would have had a better time if I dressed up like a shark. My bad.
FWIW, I feel a bit slighted about the length of the Chumash show versus the amount of cash spent. Play the hits.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 19:17:42 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Hey Raj,
Earlier this week Lurker Ray said he had the set list for the Chumash
from I guess the sound guy. FM was dropped at Chumash, not Friant.
I too liked the fact that FM wasn't played both nights. First time
since 1993 I bet!
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:56:21 ET
Posted by: P1W, ssa sdrawkcab
So what you're saying, Good Turbaned One, is that when you saw Buffett you thought it was a horrible show?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:35:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
If Janie had a gun she should have put them all out of their collective misery years ago. What a cadaverous preening duck lipped schlemozzle he is.
Jimmy Buffett broh? Jimmy friggin Cheeseburger in Paradise Buffett.
Oh Pinkenstein, what has happened to your brain boy????? When did you turn so, so so...Abbey Normal?
Here's those fantastic [rimshot] setlists, thank you, from da Boyza:
Four Season Hotel Las Vegas, NV
Turtle Talk
Bodhisattva
Time Out Of Mind
Aja
Home At Last
Hey 19 ( Walter does the Cuervo Bit )
Josie
Chain Lightning
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Do It Again
Peg
Deacon Blues
Reelin In the Years
Kid Charlemagne
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Last Tango In Paris
Table Mountain Casino, Friant, CA
Turtle Time
Bodhi
TOOM
Aja
Home at Last
Josie
Green Earrings
Hey 19 (WB on patter)
Dirty Work
Do It Again
Babylon Sisters
Peg
Kid C
MOS
(FM on setlist but skipped)
Last Tango
Chumash Casino, Santa Ynez, CA
Turtle Talk
Bodhisattva
Time out of Mind
Aja
Godwacker
Hey 19
Josie
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
Last Tango
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:24:32 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Gotcha cap'n. I don't know if I can after all this fascinating reading about setlists. All these really substantive discussions and all that. But I'll let Bill resume commentary. Right Skip?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:13:04 ET
Posted by: Yoowie!,
PQ - Thanks for the heads up on Dion. Now go back to St. Al's.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:07:11 ET
Posted by: W1P, In a shed? Not in a shed
angel, "Security Joan" passed her wand over you and let you upfront? When you're following an angel you don't have to jump off a burning building! Geoff, I agree that the behaviour of folks at Aerosmith and Buffett shows is borderline unacceptable. I also agree that prior to kicking heroin, Aerosmith was horrible live. But after '89 they've been excellent live (even if their crowd has not). I also disagree with you that Buffett is awful -- he's not GREAT but there are few concerts that are more fun to attend (despite the few who take it over the line).
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:07:01 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore, eh
Found this in my e-mail:
With a few January dates under their belts,
the Heavy Rollers roll on in 2007.
More dates have been announced for May 2007:
May 06 2007
- The New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival
- New Orleans, LA
- on sale now (Ticketmaster)
http://www.ticketmaster.com/venue/221679
May 12 2007
- Hard Rock Live
- Orlando FL
- on sale now (Ticketmaster)
http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/736195
Visit
http://steelydan.com
for links to buy tickets, and the latest new confirms
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Will There Be More?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes, more dates will be added!
However ----
there will be no single posting
of a complete schedule this time.
Instead, dates will be announced
as we go along.
Given this rolling announcement schedule,
we will *not* send a newsletter every time
a new date is added.
This means interested fans should monitor
http://steelydan.com
for the very latest on confirmed shows,
on-sale dates, and buy-ticket links.
Until Next Time...
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 18:00:27 ET
Posted by: angel,
Geoff: Thanks for the back up. :-)
--
I STILL haven't gotten over the fact that I was about 5 feet from Jon playing the guitar for those last 2 songs. I truly appreciate that security let us show the band how much we loved them. :-)
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:49:54 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Oh Yeah? Let me tell y'all - if you wanna get a kickass album that DF is almost certainly groovin on, it's the Bronx In Blue by Dion DiMucci. Fucken kickass Dion versions of all the blues classics. If I'm not mistaken Dion is one of the very few artists that Fagen covered on record. And after you listen to this record you will very clearly see Dion's influence all over DF's vocal style.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:40:16 ET
Posted by: Jenny, Zemboland
I agree with Lawgator
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:37:27 ET
Posted by: sigh, why why
Midnight-
as long as you are cheking old emails to support your complaint, I will do the same. Below is part of a newsletter sent to SD Newsletter subscribers on Jan 15 2006. Personally iIt was enough time for me to learn of Morph release and DF tour. Sorry if you missed it...if you did you might want to do as I do and subscribe multiple email addresses if you have them. Sometimes a mail deleted as spam on Yahoo will get thru on gmail and so on
=====
Greetings:
In advance of various solo endeavors, Walter and Donald have gone online with their own websites and Newsletter lists.
Here's how to get in on all the action.
....links to websites AND newsletters follows
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:32:13 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy office
Angel,
great observation, there we no beachballs, weed, lighters, cries or "freebird" or "more cowbell" and all the usual distractions of a shed show. The crowd were there for the music, it was much more like a Pat Metheny concert than a traditional SD gig, which sometimes gets a bit like Jimmy Buffet meets the Aerosmiths. [Never seen either of them because obviously I think that they're both shit.]
No doubt the anonymous hard rock naysayers here on the blue who weren't even there will say that that's boring, but man, I was burning up inside.
geoff
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:25:43 ET
Posted by: midnite cruiser,
by the way, the newsletter about the solo websites/projects came out in April. A little late for publicizing Fagen's tour dontcha think?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 17:20:31 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
to those complaining about the setlists - at the most recent show that Steely Dan played, the set was varied greatly from the 2006 summer setlists. you all (or just one of you) are complaining about how the band plays nothing but the hits every night as if they have been doing so for years and years, but 1993-4, 1996, 2000, and 2003 were all very different shows. night to night there wasn't much variation, but that's to be expected when you have a 10+ peice backing band. it was obvious from the start that 2006 would be about the hits, and who knows what the 2007 shows will have in store for us? it's the same exact band, arguably the best one yet, and they have plenty of time to dig a little deeper.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:59:30 ET
Posted by: angel,
Might I add to this conversation that at Chumash, the crowd was very into the show and the most well behaved I have ever seen. There is definitely something about a "Hardcore" crowd that made the night, just a little bit sweeter. I had people around me who were at the Dan Fest earlier and it was purely by chance. When does that ever happen at a shed?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:47:35 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Lawgator - I'd be honored to attend your Danfest in Orlando on the 12th!! A friend of mine snagged 12 tix for that show...same guy who took a group of us to see them last year in Charlotte.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:46:20 ET
Posted by: Man with no face, Altamira
I guess I can't complain too much about "greatest hits" shows when they do the summer shed tours. That is what the vast majority of the attendees want and expect. But here's the thing - the Dan appeal to my jazz sensibilities, and they're about the closest thing to jazz that there is in the classic rock genre. As such, I have some small level of expectation for improvisational solos, a bit of stretching out, and a large repetoire of songs coming in and out of the setlist, including the new stuff. They certainly have the body of work to draw from. I'm not saying they have to become a jam band (Allman Brothers come to mind here), but I want something a just a little bit more than what I've been getting the last 3 tours. I was hoping the small venue stops they've been making lately would build on the Don solo tour. When you're playing a 2000 seat auditorium in the dead of winter, you're pretty much playing to the hardcore fan.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:36 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room,
50 ways, too bad you missed soboba...
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:17:35 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Peter Q:
The post at 1:19 pm is not about you and is to be taken at face value . I'm surprised that you would so quickly come out of nowhere after an eight month hiatus to post that you assume I am writing about you. This is especially in light of how, like times before, I made the effort around last May 1, during a similar situation, to arrange a phone call with you and explain that any time I wrote about you it would be direct. Furthermore, I asked if you had any doubts ever to contact me privately.jim
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 16:02:19 ET
Posted by: Dugan,
I have 2 reserved tix to go for the 2/2 Olabelle show. I can't make it, but the tix are transferrable, so I'll let the pair go for face value to the first person who sends me $100. Tx.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 15:45:07 ET
Posted by: The General (you know the rest), East St Louis
HM, I think what he (Lawgator) is trying to say is that you don't bring the little buckaroos to a Santa Claus photo shoot at the mall and expect the Easter Bunny to be sittin in. They are going to do what the general masses want to hear (the people that only know Rikki, Deacon, Peg, 19 ) We would all love to hear the more obsure (Daddy Don't Live In That NYC No More, etc) oh wait, I heard Walt belt that one out at Camden Tweeter Center 2000) You get my point.
True fans don't get tired of hearing the same song 100 times let alone 1000. You can make the decision to go or stay home. It may be a shame but thats the nature of the business. If you're going to Bearsville you'll probably get to hear a lost "gem" or two or three.... who knows
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 15:37:57 ET
Posted by: midnite cruiser,
I disagree - I disagree. The first album in 13 years and first ever solo tour by the "main guy" in Steely Dan should have been noted on sd.com. It is big news for SD fans, expecially a tour that many undoubtedly missed because they were not informed in time. Just a "Fagen solo tour and album! go to df.com for details" would have sufficed.
It was also noticeable that df.com went unlinked/unmentioned on sd.com for many months. The link only appeared when there was also a wb.com. Looks like they were trying to be "fair" to the partners (can't have df.com linked unless wb.com is linked). But in reality, it was unfair to the fans, and to Fagen.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 15:35:28 ET
Posted by: hm,
Lawgator, the "deeper" listeners enjoy Peg and Deacon too. But it's that they play these songs EVERY show. Do you, too, not get tired of hearing the same stuff.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 15:32:33 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Lawgator: you make several good points. I, too, like to learn about the music, instruments, and terminology, etc. Would appreciate more of that. Thank you to the person I chatted with a few weeks ago that pointed me to the Sadowsky website...now I can stop calling it "Walter's blue guitar" (lol)
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 15:24:30 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, not nuked on "24"
To quote a beat up guy: "Can't we all just get along?"
Seems to me there's room for all points of view here, and maybe even a few more on top of that. So, even if you do feel like the band is letting you down by not playing what you want to hear, or on the flip side if you are forever an apologist for them, let's debate it in terms of why we think what we do and not in terms of calling people foolish or silly or some such other ad hominem solely because they disagree with you.
I am willing to make that effort: The reason I like to see Steely Dan even though I can predict what they are likely to play and even though its all on my Ipod is because I enjoy the groove. There was a discussion here a week ago about the difference between piano/organ/synthesizer used in a recent show and folks had some observations. I don't know anything about that stuff.
And if that makes me a shallow listener, then so be it. What would be really cool from my perspective is if some of you folks that do know the difference about these things would come to my Danfest on May 12 and give me a little insight, so I know what to be looking for.
LG
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:50:59 ET
Posted by: I disagree, sd vs df vs wb
Midnight -
with all due respect, I don't think that's realistic. In fact there there WAS a mailing in early 06 that notified of solo projects in the works, and directing all to solo websites and newsletters, and ALSO noting that solo project news will be on solo websites/newsletters. Seems pretty straightforward asand reonable to me. Also links to solo websites are obvious and available. This is reasonable imho and what many other groups do when there are group activities plus solo activities. It does not make sense even from a logical point to expect 3 websites to replicate all information on all others...especially when some projects are (and perhaps want to be) managed from the solo end.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:50:51 ET
Posted by: 50 Ways,
I am not Peter Q. Happy?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:48:07 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
This post here is directed at me, of course confusing poking fun at Ignormaus Posers with 'slamming Steely Dan and their website'. Except that I haven't made any of those posts.
"Lost Irony"/"Paging Dr Freud"/other names: When someone posts as you do, it makes me make the tedious effort to figure out "who?"
Would like it if he knew all else you do is slam Steely Dan and their website in all your posts? Don't make me dig more--I don't have the time and you don't want that.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:47:31 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, spring training
The real nut jobs always come back in time for the summer tour. Sigh.
Of course, y'all have a right to your own opinion, but as several of us have CLEARLY stated, SD and their music is what brought us together. The reason we stay together is a fabulous mix of je ne sais quois that we call Dan Karma....
So, I ask you, would you rather take a trip with your own dysfunctional family or one that celebrates it's dysfunctionality? (To quote prez logic, "I used to say, let's celebrate Sunday on a Saturday night" and my friends looked at me like I was nuts.)
I guarantee the stories will be better from the latter.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:42:37 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Believe me, he's talking about me.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:42:20 ET
Posted by: 50 Ways,
Look I don't mean to sound disrespectful but when one goes to a concert they want to feel like they're getting something special. I don't want the next guy in line to feel like they recieved THE SAME EXACT CONCERT that I got. I want to feel that my concert was "a happening". That I recieved something that nobody else is going to get in quite the same way. That somehow I captured a moment in time that will never be repeated again. That's the point of going to a concert isn't it? At least it is for me.
There are concerts I've been to over the years that I will never forget. I know it was a one-time thing, and while I can never go back there I have my memory of it which can never be taken away. If I was to see that same artist again, and they delivered that show in the same exact way, it would ruin my memory of both shows. Can you see my point now? Each show should be different in some significant way. If not, it's like watching the same movie over and over again, where you know where the suspenseful parts are and you know what the ending is going to be like. You'll never recapture the feelings you had the first time you watched it. Understand what I'm saying now? I hope so, because I'm not saying it to be mean, I'm saying it to help everyone involved, including the artists themselves.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:41:44 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Don't be so literal BR. On 2 or 3 occasions if you prefer.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:40:17 ET
Posted by: Paranoia will Destroya,
PQ - I don't see your name mentioned or even inferred anywhere. And you are now harrassing hoops!
The next time YOU make an accusation like that try to have your facts lined up.
LOL
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:39:19 ET
Posted by: Geesh, On location
PQ, you posted 5-6 times in ONE AFTERNOON going back and forth with me early last summer. Get over yourself.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:37:49 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
May I also say "thanks lawgator?" To hell with the spoilsports and fuckwits!
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:37:16 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
50 Ways - a good handful of those tunes were played on the 2000 tour. I'm fence straddling on this issue. I too would love to see a change up to the setlist, but I also love the songs they insist on continuing to play. Even though I've seen these tunes however many times (and Orlando will make however many more), I know I'm going to have a damn good time seeing them again! What can ya do?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:36:49 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
I'm not on drugs. I probably haven't posted but 2 or 3 times here in a year, but Hoops included a reference in his post that clearly demonstrates he thinks whomever's posting this bullshit is me. It's not. Why keep opening a can of worms when you keep losing?????? Do you want to have to delete a few hundred posts again?
I've been through this before with you Jim - if you accuse me of making a post you better have incontrovertible proof. Don't make me have my lawyer call the ISP Company of the person who really made the posts and then act accordingly.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:27:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Naw, we just have a few strident voices, you shoulda been here for real nut-jobs.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:26:29 ET
Posted by: midnite cruiser,
It is true that sd.com may not be able to announce shows as they are booked, that has been established. However it is reprehensible that there was no newsletter or even one iota of information about Morph the Cat or Fagen's tour on sd.com! (And, yes, that IS information should have been on SD's site.) I don't know if it is just incompetence or something else at work there.
The recycled setlist is probably here to stay. They are playing to the majority of concert goers, not the handfull of people that see multiple shows. It is a BUSINESS people! If you don't like it, don't go!
50 Ways, get your facts straight, they have played all of these at one time or another
Boston Rag
Night By Night
Everyone's Gone To The Movies
Royal Scam
Caves Of Altamira
PQ, are you on drugs?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:21:05 ET
Posted by: Perry Mason,
50
Asked and answered
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:19:50 ET
Posted by: The General wtsgatg, Barrytown
This forum has gone to shit real quick. The whole purpose has been forgotten about. Its supposed to be for the true fans to get together and discuss Don and Walt and the goodness their music has brought to your life. All this f*cking whining, bitching and moaning about what they're playing/going to play is wasted energy. You know what they were, what they are now, so deal with it. True fans don't stray. The ones that aren't bitch about it all day long and waste other peoples time. I posted earlier about what a tight knit group this is. Turns out that group is pretty small after all
(And I've only been part of this forum 2 weeks)
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:17:22 ET
Posted by: 50 Ways,
I'm glad you guys are discussing this. Now I know that others share my views. One thing I can't understand is why a group of people would chase this band from pillar to post just to see the same damned show over and over again. THAT makes absolutely no sense, unless you do it mainly for the Danfests that preclude and/or follow them? Once in a while someone will ask me, "Are you going to see Steely Dan in such-and-such a place?", and my answer is usually "No. I saw them back in 2003.". It's true with this band that if you've seen them once you've seen all they've got to offer. That's too bad because I know they could offer more if they wanted to, but not so long as they remain so fixated on SAFETY. So afraid to fuck up are they that they simply refuse to do anything they haven't done before. If someone told me that they were going to do the following songs I might go out of my way to see the show;
Barrytown
Only A Fool Would Say That
Boston Rag
Change Of The Guard
Fire In The Hole
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Razor Boy
Your Gold Teeth
Night By Night
Rose Darling
Dr Wu
Everyone's Gone To The Movies
Throw Back The Little Ones
Royal Scam
Caves Of Altamira
These are all songs that they REFUSE to do. The problem is, these are some of their best songs, and they have no right to prevent us from hearing them in a live setting. Basically as a member of the ticket buying public I'm not ASKING them to play these songs I'm TELLING them to play these songs. And if they decide to tell me to go fuck myself, then I have no choice but to tell them to go fuck themselves, and I'll spend my money on a different concert. They can do what they can do, and I can do what I can do. That's the way it works. I'm the customer here, not them. I decide whether what's being offered is worth spending money and time on, not them.
So there you have it Fagen and Becker, you can give me what I want or you can continue to play corporate dinner parties. It's up to you.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:16:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Ahh, that's why you did'nt wear the porkpie hat
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:12:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I need to have them all taken in.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 14:10:34 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah has a shaved head?? Loose turbans
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:57:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah, c'mon everybody
...let's not get ugly. Nobody twisted your arm to see the shows, if you attended and you were dissappointed, fine, that's your right as a paying customer. No, I don't think Don would look good in sequins, but maybe a nice full length white diner jacket would be nice...with tails and top hat. Hold the cane, that would be too Cab Calloway. Walter should shave that denuded excuse for a head of hair and get chic, like someone I know.
One more time now, what they did play, they played with mastery. I'd pay to hear AJA alone, a fully realized piece of music that offers powerful, deeply moving themes. AJA could be stretched to symphonic proportions.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:57:18 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks lawgator
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:54:23 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Make that "I might slam Ignoramus Posers who buy a Warne Marsh CD for the sole reason that Steely Dan produced one"
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:48:42 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Hey Jim if you think Fraud, etc., is me, just so say so. It's not. My 2 ISPs are in plain sight for anybody to see. I don't hide, and I don't slam Steely Dan. I might Ignoramus Posers who buy Warne Marsh for the sole reason that Steely Dan produced one, but I don't slam Steely Dan.
Dig all you want. The next time you make an accusation like that try to have your facts lined up.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:45:32 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the run
Common Sense Again...I say no way. SD.com has to stay.
Gotta run to class. More...
jim
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:35:29 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, not nuked on "24"
I'd like to weigh in on the issue of whether Steely Dan is letting us down by playing what has apparently become a standard set list for them, focusing pretty much exclusively on the popular hits.
Let me begin by saying I am not a musician. I wish I was, but I'm not. The last time I played a musical instrument in any organized setting, and with any purpose to actually create a cognizable sound pattern, was in the Seventh Grade and Roosevelt Jr. High School when I played Coronet, a kid's version of trumpet. My best recollection of that was pounding out "Boogie Nights." And of course we were awful. But we looked good in our rag-tag fashion of black pants or jeans or whatever the parents of our motley bunch put on us 12 year olds at the time.
I point this out at the outset because so many of the regular posters on here clearly are or have been in a band of some sort or another. And you all have much better knowledge than I do as to what's good and what isn't as far as musicianship goes.
But its now about taste. You may not like mine, feeling it to be too "tune" driven. I may not like yours, feeling it to be too technical in nature. I like what I would call both sides of the Steely Dan coin. I listen to both Sign In Stranger and Black Cow. I love Pixeleeen and Blues Beach, but I also listen to Deacon Blues and Peg.
I daresay a very small fraction of the crowd that will be at Hard Rock with me on May 12 would respond to Book of Liars or Pretzel Logic or even Cousin Dupree. I would love to hear those songs, but I expect that the band feels that most people paying a hundred bucks, plus parking and drinks, came to see My Old School and the like.
I am lucky, I suppoose, in that I enjoy both sides of that Steely Dan coin. I can be happy hearing FM. I really can.
Perhaps because I am realistic about the fact that the band wants to entertain the great majority of the crowd with the hits, as oppoosed to those of us who wish we heard Dr. Wu, I'm good to go with the hits. I wish that there was a way to satisfy both those who want the more obscure stuff and those who bought tickets because, "Hey, don't they sing that Rikki song?"
But there isn't. And so I can't blame them for doing what makes sense to the lion's share of the crowd. And I don't think it makes them sell-outs. I think it makes them smart and realistic.
LG
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:31:30 ET
Posted by: W1P (Pirate Eye), Lost Angeles
Thank you Steely Doc -- you are a gentleman!
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:22:41 ET
Posted by: common sense again, x
no split here - in fact we couldn't agree more. Obviously time for sd.com to go offline for good. it was a good 10+ year run. but since all it can do anymore is post live dates and annoy fans with 'cryptic' stuff, leave the dates to Pollstar, and have critics of 'tone' move to complaining about df.com and wb.com until they too go dark.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:20:50 ET
Posted by: hoops, So there you go...
Steely Dan news letter out about Jazzfest, Orlando, etc.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 13:19:51 ET
Posted by: hoops, Hope it warms up down there...
"Lost Irony"/"Paging Dr Freud"/other names: When someone posts as you do, it makes me make the tedious effort to figure out "who?"
Would like it if he knew all else you do is slam Steely Dan and their website in all your posts? Don't make me dig more--I don't have the time and you don't want that.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:58:26 ET
Posted by: Paging Dr. Freud, vienna
One of the middle of the night complainers wrote, "Complete and total disconnect". Bingo.
Looks like the fan base is splitting apart here. Loyalist sycophants who attack the messenger when valid criticism is posted - and the disappointed.
Just get it over with already. Dress Walt and Don in sequins, knock off the cryptic nonsense on the SD site, and lets all just agree that the band we all once loved has now become a lounge act.
With every best wish,
The Pompatus
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:45:18 ET
Posted by: hoops,
And don't forget that Amtrak's "City of New Orleans" is a long-standing tradition as a party on wheels to Jazzfest. The Jazzfest Party starts at Union Station in Chicago and is in full gear by the time you get to Carbondale and passes through Memphis. More than a few fly into Chicago, take the train to New Orleans just for the experience.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:40:05 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Houston too close to New Orleans
One of my very best work buds is a Jazzfest FREAK and alerted me first thing this a.m. (before coffee...oy). For anyone thinking of making the trek here are some discount airline codes into NO:
Airline Code Valid From/To Phone No.
American A0647AM 25-Apr 8-May 800-433-1790
Continental A72VG6 25-Apr 8-May 800-468-7022
Northwest NYUT9 24-Apr 9-May 800-328-1111
United 565XI 24-Apr 9-May 800-521-4041
Also, be sure and check out the link that wormtom posted. There is a very active forum/guestbook type link at the top.
We'll take the Blazer, its nice inside
And guess who's coming along for the ride....
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:37:53 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey, it's a Wormy sighting!! Great news for you and for Jazz Fest. :-)
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:30:05 ET
Posted by: 4 hours, x
By what I can see, that's how long steelydan.com was "scooped" (?!?) by other announcements of New orleans. It's on sd.com now. What is your problem?!
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:27:45 ET
Posted by: Not that hard, recipe for success
Its called a Bookmark. Make one for steelydan.com. Use it half as much as you use the one to come to this guestbook and gripe. Stop hallucinating that don and walt choose or control everything in your little universe or in theirs. More important, stop hallucinating that they SHOULD.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:27:31 ET
Posted by: LostIrony, The Institution
I suppose the irony of posting as "Common Sense" and then complaining about 'anonymous posters' escaped that particular writer.
He or she goes on to defend the fact that SD.com first pretends to be hip and cool by writing these stupid teasers about tourdates - gigs where we longtime fans are being charged upwards of $100 per ticket for the same windup doll shows we've seen from 1999-present - and then getting scooped by a bunch of other sites.
But he or she does have a point. It is crazy to post here and complain. You either get agreement or personally attacked.
And the actual complaint that the setlist sucks and that the band's tourdates and teasers lame - is like that old Woody Allen joke about the old ladies in the Catskills - "The food here is terrible.... yes, and the portions are so small"
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:14:58 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
AS POSTED YETERDAY:
As far as dates coming and going, that's why I say it's not official until it's at the Official Dan Page (ODP). It's not uncommon for many concerts and other similar events to have in the contract who is authorized to be the first to announce the event. Sometimes that gets screwed up and it's another reason why sometimes shows appear and then disappear from schedules. Not sure if that's what's happened with Atlanta. But there are all kinds of circumstances, maybe even wishful thinking by a venue or reporter.
---
Surely SD knows ahead but is limited by agreements that are so commonplace these days, not often SD's will or desire.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 12:14:28 ET
Posted by: Common Sense, not the center of the universe
Those who think the show by show announcement schedule is just to be cute (or just to annoy THEM) should get psychological help. PLENTY of acts add dates over time, rather than starting with a complete schedule announced. And all acts are highly limited by promoters venues or sponsors on when they can announce a show and who gets to announce first (like by a few hours maybe). I am so weary of posters who have an image of "mean and sneaky D&W' who exist just to torment them or somehow let them down. Stop projecting and grow up.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 11:05:18 ET
Posted by: Last Tango, in Bearsville
Something in the way WormTom says "This just in!" would indicate that this is an important event.
But we know better don't we?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 09:04:10 ET
Posted by: wormtom from old yellow days, new orleans
This just in!
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Schedule announced today
Steely Dan will be playing second weekend May 4-6
the sets are typically 50-70 minutes long
stellar lineup this year - Van Morrison, Norah Jones, Danilo Perez, Bonnie Raitt, Brad Paisley, Lucinda Williams, Pharoah Sanders, ...
http://www.nojazzfest.com/
it is possible the dan may play an arena show that week there,
many headliners choose to do this
Sounds like St Al and I will finally hook up, Malc you in?
come down and join us
pearl of the quarter anyone?
worm tom
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 08:41:27 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud,
Every evil person on Earth is "NYB" to you people isn't it? This is an unhealthy fixation. It is commonly accepted that "NYB" represents only 66.8 percent of the evil people on Earth. One should account for this BEFORE one decides to attack his character here on this rag.
Sincerely,
S. Fraud
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 08:35:02 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
http://www.nola.com/music/t-p/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1169713613320640.xml&coll=1
Article on Jazzfest in New Orleans.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 08:15:05 ET
Posted by: Demon Sloth,
Hmmm, somebody unhappy with SD up in the middle of the night, typing away (anonymously) on the Blue...hmm, who could it be? NYF? Ah, of course...
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 06:43:56 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
My dear little friend So What;
I don't know from what school you come from and sicerely i don't care.But one thing is sure: they didn't teach you to behave you correctly and to show some respect to other people.
In the actual circumstances, it seems to me that you are the Doubting Thomas but one without personality and class.
I know my English is bad and for that reason others are misunderstanding me sometimes. But is that a motive to begin insulting me? I don't know but i had another education.
What i was trying to tell, was that maybe they are not going to tour through Europe in july in the traditional way.
Last time Don and Walter were here in Europe (september 200) they did 15 European cities in only 21 days.
If the rumours are true (and i'm confident) that Steely dan will come over here this summer, i think (and that's just a simple innocent thought, maybe a little bit wishfull thinking)that there is a chance to see them ar several Jazzfestivals. And between you and I! Wouldn't it be great to have the opportunity to recept them in Montreux-Switzerland or the North Sea Jazz in Holland (hey..what about Slang of ages)?
Steely Dan in Europe this summer? That's great news my little impulsive narrator and you made a point saying that it doesn't matter if it's going to be a festival, concert or tour. But you don't have to be a university student to come to such an idea.
I know i'll be there!!
So my little friend, what's your point or problem with that?
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 04:45:29 ET
Posted by: Me Again, Where I am
Yeah, I liked the 'wind up doll' comparison - that's what I feel like too. And the irony is that the last two SD records are great as is Donald's newest, but we're being offered the chance to drop big bucks to hear the same Vegas-styled concert year after year.
And the annoying SD website gets scooped again.
Nostradomus predicts... that if you read this article you'll see Steely Dan confirmed at the New Orleans Jazz Festival:
http://www.nola.com/music/t-p/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1169713613320640.xml&coll=1
The "More? Watch this space..." non-link on SteelyDan.com ought to just point here.
Three new gigs have been "announced" here while the Dan's own site still has that idiotic "nyah,nyah.. More to come?" teaser, and this:
"The great Satyr and Tiger of Hyrcania,
Gift presented to those of the Ocean:
A fleet's chief will set out from Carmania,
One who will take land at the Tyrren Phocaean"
If they spent a fraction as long considering their setlist and fans versus hinting at tours and tourdates, they might really have something I'd want to go see.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 04:34:50 ET
Posted by: 50 Ways,
I can see your point. I still listen to alot of my heroes from the 60's and the 70's but for some reason Steely Dan seems to be the less innovative of them all. James Taylor has done some incredible stuff recently, so has Bob Dylan, and David Crosby with CPR. Heck, even Leonard Cohen floored me with his "Ten New Songs" cd back in 2001. But SD just doesn't seem to want to put forth the effort to do something innovative or different. Their concerts run like wind-up toys, like Vegas stage shows. You know what you're going to get before you get there. Where's the spirit in that? That's not what Rock and Jazz is all about. It's about freedom, innovation, and taking chances. None of which are being displayed by this band at this time. Complaints have been logged over and over again and yet no action is taken. The disconnect is complete, and the reason for being there is clear. They have successfully made the transition to lounge act. I don't think any of us saw that coming.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 01:13:18 ET
Posted by: yup,
I agree.
Date: Thurs, January 25, 2007, 01:05:54 ET
Posted by: LongTimeListener, There I Am
Long time listener, (almost) first-time poster...
Feeling a little down on SD lately, so I thought I'd write a few words and see if I can wrap my head around it as I type...
Been a fan since the 70s, so I am an alter cocker (sp?) as they say, and always loved the music and everything from album covers to liner notes. Flew to the occasional show and have been going more and more these past few years, taking in a DF show too.
I think the love affair has ended though. This band, for me, has just 'jumped the shark' - Greatest Hits setlist, showbiz vibe (despite the incomprehensible "you gotta be in the club to 'get it' writing on SD.com, WB.com and DF.com" - the walk just doesn't match the talk.
These guys aren't being new or different or novel or subversive or catering to their longtime fans. In the live shows, they're cashing in on stuff that was played on the radio 25 years ago, and flipping the bird at their own new music, which I think most of us would love to hear. Gushing over a single playing of "Godwhacker" on top of the current setlist doesn't do it for me, sorry.
It just feels like all the hip shit has been coopted for big bucks. Like they're a stereotype of their groovy old selves on their websites and playing corporate shows in Vegas while we're not looking. It feels like these tourdates are all about the green and old fans be damned. Gotta move the new Greatest Hits CD to the folks in the audience who don't already own everything they've recorded. (Like us.)
And so, as I said, it feels like they've jumped the shark. The "Nostradamus Predicts" stuff isn't cute to me - it's annoying. The dates are already announced on Pollstar, and we fans are still reading this "dont you wish you knew what we know about your future opportunity to spend $125 to hear Peg for the 4,000th time" stuff.
I'm sorry to say it, but Steely Dan is 'over' for me. Maybe I'll catch the Steely Dan Experience when I'm in Vegas in 2010, but no more flying out to shows and spending all that bread for a setlist that has as much imagination as The Fonz jumping over the shark pool.
Correction - that was much more inventive then these recent shows...
Adios my cvber-companions. It's been a long road which has now reached its end. And to those who will reply and tell me not to let the door hit me in the ass... THank you in advance for your concern. :)
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 21:19:12 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
I was just wonder if anyone heading to the Bearsville show Saturday night would like to meet up before hand. Gretchen and I are looking at restaurants in Woodstock and a rough head count would be great. You know Gretch she throws a great party!!
Please e-mail me if your interested or post here.
Thanks
Fife
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 19:49:07 ET
Posted by: FURIOUS WHITE MAN,
SHORT, REPETITIVE SET LIST=FURIOUS OR DISINTERESTED FANS=QUARTER FULL LARGE VENUES=NO PROFIT OR A LOSS=NO STEELY DAN "10"
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 18:52:24 ET
Posted by: Plywood Violin,
It goes like this...
Late Fall, Winter, Early Spring = Smaller indoor venues.
Late Spring, Summer, Early Fall = Larger outdoor venues.
Any questions?
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 18:16:46 ET
Posted by: I'm sorry So What,
Ah, I misread Deacon. My apologies.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 18:04:57 ET
Posted by: So...,
Exactly! What the fuck is Deacon's point?
We hear the Dan are gonna play there. Great.
Then DEACONBLUE says won't happen because there are fests. Whatdafuk!!!
So they are gonna play a fest! That's probably the deal.
My point is why does Deaconblue have to play Doubting Thomas?
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 17:47:47 ET
Posted by: To So What, this isnt Deacon Blue,
You need to be hit over the head. Who cares what the hell anyone calls it? Tour, concert, festival, orgy, whatever. I don't understand why people get so abrasive on this forum. It's making me abrasive.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 16:15:34 ET
Posted by: So...,
TO DEACON BLUE.
"You wouldn't know a diamond if you held it in your hand "
Do you know what you talking about? You must come from the "two rights make a wrong" school.
Let's see, well placed source puts Steely Dan in Europe for July. July music scene in Europe is mostly festivals.
If they play a series of festivals in Europe during July, isn't that touring? Of course it is.
Some people need to be hit over the head before they get anything.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 15:43:07 ET
Posted by: Zanna, -
I have no answer for you little lamb
I can help you out
But I can not help you in
Sometimes you think that life is hard
And this is only one of them
My heart is breaking for you little lamb
I can help you out
But we may never meet again
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 15:22:50 ET
Posted by: Robert,
Jeff Young Myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=112447588
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 15:17:32 ET
Posted by: ROSELAND, ROSELAND
Since it looks like they are playing smaller venues, maybe they will play ROSELAND again?????
ROSELAND
ROSELAND
ROSELAND
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 15:14:34 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
A European tour in july?
i don't think so, because there are almost no concerts at that time.
The summer period in Europe is reserved for the musicfestivals.
So in my personal opinion, and i feel something that way, i think that a large Steely Dan participation on the European summer jazzfestivals makes really sense!
In july, we have two big International jazzfestivals: Jazz Montreux in Switzeland and North Sea Jazz in Holland.
Come on boys, go for it!
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 15:12:03 ET
Posted by: person, earth
Only a matter of time before the Eagles & SD are either on the same bill or part of some Traveling Wilburys type project.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 14:53:49 ET
Posted by: Gary, Rancho Cucamonga
After getting side swiped at Chumash and getting my new SUV dented.It turned out to be a great evening.Great crowd,great show.Hoops it was great meeting you and Mr.and Mrs suedave.
at soundcheck.Wish we could have made it to one of the parties.But we had to leave right the show.We try to make to as many shows as possible when we can hopefully next time.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 13:01:05 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Craig, sorry to have missed you. Would like to have met you and your daughter. Maybe next time...
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 12:28:27 ET
Posted by: The General wtsgatg, Anthony's Bar and Grill
Looks like you folks had a good time at Chumash. You all seem like very nice people. I wish I could've benn there. Just waiting for the "east coast" leg to come around. If and when there is one, I would love to join yas, maybe host a Danfest or just shoot the shit and swap some photos/video of Camden, Jones Beach and PNC. Seems like a tight knit group here, which is cool. Anyway, thats my 3 cents.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 09:00:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Angel
Missing the hook up is hard to explain: It "seemed" too much of a hassle to get my daughter into the Maverick and after the show I gabbed too much with Hoops, Jas and the merch guy and lost site of Rajah and of course no damn cell reception. Great show but I missed you people and that left me with a hole-in-the gut feeling that still hasn't gone away. Live and learn
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 06:17:05 ET
Posted by: philippe , France
Rumors of a European tour in july, just in time for the big jazz festivals. "And now, for the very first time in Montreux,please give a warm welcome to Steely Dan" : Claude Nobs.
Date: Wed, January 24, 2007, 00:09:28 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
After reading the latest "Lexilibby Says",
I'm surprised they didn't break into
"Sign In Stranger"!
Excited for next week and hoping for a
"warm spell" out East. Though I hope
there is a "nip" in the air the day I go
skating at 30 Rock. No snow please.
Speaking of cold, someone should tell
Mavericks to take all those dollar bills
off their ceiling and PAY their heating bill!
Safe journeys to all next week, it should
be fun.....and they serve booze ;-)
What Show/Play should I go see?
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 23:53:26 ET
Posted by: yo,
lawgator is trying to organize a danfest for Orlando.
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 23:03:17 ET
Posted by: danfan,
Surprised how quickly the Orlando show sold out (except the GA which is standing room only). I only live a couple of miles from Hard Rock Live, so I went to the ticket office the morning of the sale. There were only about 15-20 people waiting for tickets when they opened the box office. They did this about 10 minutes before they went on sale on the internet...maybe we were all able to get better seats because of this. I was able to get front row in the balcony. Looking forward to seeing them in this smaller venue. Anyone aware of any plans for a Danfest in Orlando?
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 19:38:30 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Chumash-
LWO/EB Thank you so much for the mystical sphere (flashing die)and the underwear (you'll have to ask them).
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 18:15:24 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Angel, nice article, enjoyed it alot. Bobbo, ditto: did not know you were a poet!
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 16:23:26 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Craig: Thanks for the kind words.
Where were you? We never did hook up.
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 16:01:03 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
As much as everyone seems to despise Ticketmaster (or bastard as the case may be) their site has started posting Steely Dan dates for this year, albeit only the Orlando date. Might just help with gathering clues as to "where they'll go next."
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 15:22:53 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Angel
You have a way with the words...it is almost like being there, oh I was. Agree with about Kieth. Just WOW. I enjoyed your review
Thanks
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:50:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
http://www.donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:46:35 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
I believe D.S. is correct--I check DF.com, including "Lexi Says," as well as WB.com and SD.com, before sending out a Digest and I sure didn't see it. Assuming it was indeed just added but back-dated, it probably was to distinguish that the comments were not directed at folks like us at Chumash but the Vega$ show...
As far as dates coming and going, that's why I say it's not official until it's at the Official Dan Page (ODP). It's not uncommon for many concerts and other similar events to have in the contract who is authorized to be the first to announce the event. Sometimes that gets screwed up and it's another reason why sometimes shows appear and then disappear from schedules. Not sure if that's what's happened with Atlanta. But there are all kinds of circumstances, maybe even wishful thinking by a venue or reporter.
I have a theory that this tour will be like 1994 in so far as the shows will be similar to the previous years, only SD will hit venues they missed in 2006 plus maybe a few revisits. Just connecting some dots drawing parallels to previous tours when I probably don't have all the dots.
I obviously hope they do make the Chicago area again; at the same time, the 2006 show here had some empty space on the lawn at the "New World" aka "First Midwest Bank Amphitheater" so maybe that hurts any chances. Between the location, the mediocre venue and the so-so publicty for what was the second show, I'd say that might be part of the problem.
But I really hope they come back to play "Charter One Pavilion," a smaller 8,000 seat venue on Northerly Island, off a causeway in Lake Michigan off the south Loop area near the Field Museum. (It used to be Meigs Field.) IMHO, it would be like Jones Beach near downtown Chicago. If they come back to Chicago, I hope they stay away from Ravina (comparable to Chastain in vibe, rules, etc) or the arenas, not to mention the New World. Heck, some of the local theatres (The Vic, Chicago, Cadillac, etc.) would be cool as well, but outdoor is awesome once spring hits. Another contender is the new Sears arena which is just west of where Poplar Creek used to be. I don't like the venue -- saw Dylan there about three months ago -- but it might get some attention from promoters because it is new.
Speaking of venues, about the only odd thing about Chumash was how strictly they enforced the seating. One of our regulars here had a front row seat, but decided they wanted to sit 4-5 rows back with the folks in my row where there were empty seats. This was more than half-way through the show. The security made her sit in the front row. That was an interesting twist.
jim
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:45:10 ET
Posted by: angel,
My Concert review is up on Gina's Mizar 5 site. If you are not into "travel Log" type reviews, then I suggest you not read it.
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/?cat=9
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:41:59 ET
Posted by: angel,
http://donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:39:40 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Hey can someone please post a direct link to Lexi? The settings on this PC son't allow the buttons to show at the top of the intro page.
Thanks!
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 12:22:28 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, writing bloody POETRY, for some unGodly reason...
Okay,
Just about ready to shut up for a while here, looks like May is the next "swing" for much of my bunch down in Texas, here...thinking about and missing the Danner ladies (every single one of ya, darlin's!) and a little too much fine red Llano cabernet has got me inspired, as it were, and...Godamighty Hoops, sorry 'bout this, but here's a poem for Denise and LWO and G/Margaret and Angel and Laurie and Gretchen and Sue and SteelyMama and all the rest; it came out in the same meter used in the Dr. Seuss books (I'm holding a copy of THE LORAX at this moment, for reference, y'understand), which I find strangely comforting, in a little-blue-blanket kind of manner; in advance, if nothing else "pops up" for a while, I think I'll just lurk here and play YahooPoker (always 'Advanced Lounge #3', y'know) for a bit. Love and peace, Danners, as always; selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
THE HEART ONLY WANTS
You should listen to the heart, sometime.
We'd all probably think of beats, like a rythm,
Keeping some clear, precise time.
But waiting is more what the heart mostly does,
And the waiting is what the beat acts on.
And right just before it can't take anymore,
Most hearts decide what not to act on.
Horrible lesson, in this modern age,
Wonderful women, bound in a cage,
And heroes, too many times passed on.
For the heart is a liar, and love is a thief
But for any sign of relief (for this grief),
I'd give of my soul every essence of good.
I'd build a new heart out of metal and wood;
We'd not worry much for how long it would beat.
We'd fuel it and put it right out on the street.
Horrible lesson, in this modern age.
Time's jaded ladies, free of the cage
And I like so many old men of my time
Listen only to the heart, if only some of the time.
P.S. Hey hat2flat, got any chord progressions that'll fit THIS one? Thanks for puttin' up with a drunkish baffoon, y'all. Cheers.
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 11:34:25 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
AG, Although that Lexi Says post is dated 1/17 it has to have been back-dated to that as it was not there within the last couple days. I mostly check that page daily since that seems to be the most frequently updated part of DF.com. I know in the past entries has sprung up suddenly with older dates attached. This is another such instance. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Zombies in the television industry? Who'd a thunk it... :-)
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 11:24:52 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, ba-boom
Maybe it was all the anticipation for Friday- but was I the only one that missed the new Lexi @ DF.com? Usually you kind folks here alert me to it, maybe I missed that....anyhow, it's hilarious as usual....
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 09:07:44 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer,
WhiteMan
Well said ! Take lawgator 6 burbons and chill
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 04:47:11 ET
Posted by: KD, Mexico
The Chevy Chase bit was from way back in 2000, right before TvN came out. I think he was still on pills back then.
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 02:25:41 ET
Posted by: Furious White Man,,
Lawgator etc.
Nuthin wrong with making money. Steely boys deserve to make money. Problem is IF THEY THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RETURN TO THE SAME LARGER SHEDS THIS YEAR WITH THE SAME FUCKING SET LIST THAT THEY USED WITH THE MC DANNY TOUR FOR ONE HALF OF A SHOW IT AIN'T GOING TO WORK!!!! UNLESS THIS SHOW IS REVAMPED AND LENGTHENED THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO SHOWING THEIR FACES IN PLACES WHERE THEY DID NOT GO LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHICH IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING SO FAR.
SO THEY BETTER HAVE GRAND PLAN IF THEY WISH TO MAKE MONEY AND BE ABLE TO ATTRACT REPEAT CUSTOMERS AT THE SAME VENUES THIS YEAR!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
I'M GOING TO HAVE A STROKE IF THIS KEEPS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tues, January 23, 2007, 00:21:31 ET
Posted by: Pollstar, online
not to doubt hoops excellent rumor sources, but does it seem that the atlanta show has been removed from pollstar? it shows only orlando and clearwater
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 23:48:35 ET
Posted by: Plywood Violin,
What the hell is Chevy Chase talking about? Is he skittering down the highway to senility or what?
Hey Chevy, you haven't been funny in damned near 30 years! You must've hooked up with some primo shit in the 80's because you didn't age worth a damn. Thanks for making Fagen and Becker actually look good for their age dude, you're an inspiration in that regard.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 23:00:32 ET
Posted by: lawgator, Mouseville
I think a truce has been called since it is painfully obvious that none of us knows the answer. Might be a grand plan. Might be for the dollars. Might be a mix of both.
So now I see thanks to hoops (the man is a saint) that they are tentatively going to Clearwater on Wednesday, then Atlanta on Friday, then back down to Orlando on Saturday.
Yuck.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 22:48:48 ET
Posted by: Why the hostility?,
Yea, I'm gunna have to back Lawgator and Bobbo. They're just speculating. No need to get offensive.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:46:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest has just been mailed, this time covering from January 19-22, 2007.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
• Two New SD Dates in May listed at Pollstar
• Rumors of More US Shows in May & Europe in July
• REDUX: Ollabelle Shows to Feature Fagen & Phoebe Snow
• Donald "Fagan"?
• RE: Santa Ynez Danfest
• T I C K E T . E X C H A N G E
- - Bearsville Tickets Needed
• SPOILER: Chumash Casino Resort, Santa Ynez, CA 1/19
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill, and thanks for your patience.
jim
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:45:32 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, a/k/a NEXT STOP
And furthermore, try to figure....
I just re-read yours and apology accepted. Unless I misread it again in which case I'm still miffed. And you wouldn't want to see me miffed.
Or naked.
Hey, is there a daily limit on how many times we can post on here? Is this mic on? tap,tap,tap
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:40:10 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, a/k/a NEXT STOP
Hey your too dumb...
You are probably right. But as they say you attract more flies with honey than radiation. Or at least I think that's what they say. I know someone said it.
So, its all about the Benjamins, huh? Can't say as I blame them. I mean, digs in Hawaii or Manhattan ain't cheap.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:35:57 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
Yo, Bobborino:
You and me on the same page, my friend in Dandom. I love the music. I think Don and Walt are still artists, even if they play "FM" thirteen times in thirteen different keys.
No one rains on my parade when the boys are coming to my town and I don't have to build three days off around it, know what I'm sayin'? For me, its hop in el coche and a hop, skip and 5 bourbons 'til showtime.
You coming this way on May 12? If so, I'll round it to six bourbons (the math is easier that way for me anywho) and give you one of them. Well, maybe half of one...
LG
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:35:42 ET
Posted by: You try to figure, but you're way too dumb
Um... it's a LYRIC!
And you keep trying to say there is something up with those casino shows. There is nothing up with those casino shows. There is no DVD. It was just some quick cash for da boyz!
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:28:44 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
I should be ashamed of myself for being a Raiders fan?
Mark, I'm over the tuck rule, it just happens to be where all Patriot luck began. I'm not denying that the Pats are good and have been good, I'm just saying that the amount of calls, fortune, and twists of fate that have gone their way, are absurd. I'm glad it finally came around. BTW, I'm a hardcore Sox and Bruin fan so it's not just a New England thing. I actually don't know who I'm cheering for now. I'm just excited to see two different teams in the big game, and not Tom Brady's mug for the entire offseason.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:26:14 ET
Posted by: Bob, On location
nosebleeder = owned
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:24:14 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, getting dissed a little here
Hey Lawgator,
Thanks bro, but anyone who knows me knows I'm "flighty," and not in complete control of the language, and all. Well, Gee, Wally, I was just tryin' to say that there's somethin' up with this bunch o' casino shows and, well...that's all!
You're a class act, man. Hey, y'know what? FUCK all of these naysayers, bro! I HAVE PARTIED INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE BEAST, and Gretchen is right: exactly 75% of MY experience was Denise and Richard and John Howell, III and Geoff and G/M and Eric (Arik?) and that pretty stripper (with the same birthday as Osama) and Angel and Dave-and-? and Kurt and the other Danfest OFFICIALS; another 12.5% for Rajah (saving my usual 10% for LWO, who I will wed one day and drag to the Gulf, where she and I belong forever); the other 2.75% is a combined Don/Walt--THE BAND percentage. Now, how dumb is that?
Um, pretty dumb, I know, I know...but thanks for lookin' out for an old/young/middling hippie with the "good" intentions, y'know. Orlando will be GROUNDBREAKING, you wait n' see. Yes, indeed. Cazart!
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 21:10:30 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, a/k/a NEXT STOP
Hey "You try to figure"...
What Bobo said.
We're just speculating as to whether there is rhyme or reason to the way they have put this together. You think not. Okay, you may be right.
But I don't think calling others "dumb" helps your cause, at least not from a credibility point of view.
P.S. How was your milk?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 20:56:43 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Just read this article and can't believe the interviewer takes Chevy seriously:
Live, from New York ... it's Chevy Chase bragging up a storm.
Chevy Chase's pretzel logic. Former SNL comedian gets rampaging ego disease!
By Amy Reiter
At Tuesday night's premiere party for the Paul Newman/Linda Fiorentino flick "Where the Money Is," the "Saturday Night Live" alum told gossip guy Baird Jones that he's a way better musician than the members of Steely Dan, with whom he used to play in his Bard College days.
Chase played drums with Walter Becker and Donald Fagen for two years when the band was starting out in the '60s. "I was the one who quit because they wanted to go mainstream rock, while I wanted the music to be more loose and jazzy," he says.
When the band re-formed in the early '70s, Chase recalls, "Steely Dan begged me to rejoin the group. They especially wanted me on stage when they toured because they were so shy with stage fright. They knew I could deal with the audience."
What's more, he boasts, "I played better music than those guys in the '60s and I still do."
He's especially good at tooting his own horn.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 20:18:02 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Yeah yeah... well I'll see your football squawk and raise you a Walter Becker doing "Haitian Divorce" video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jiuMA-Q90lA
Fair enough?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 20:15:07 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New Jersey Land of Attatoodyia
ANGRY WHITE DUDE - AMEN!!!!
13 song standard set list will not cut it, no matter "how tight the band was" - unless - of course, this is the farewell?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 19:39:08 ET
Posted by: Angry White Dude,
My anger has subsided a bit.
Good to see that The Grinch did not steal Xmas for the Danfans of the Left Coast.
Looks they had a great time.
In the end it is all about entertainment.
The Dan did show some spark by doing Godwhacker and Haitian,
they seem to give a bit more in the proximity of LA
like they did in Soboba.
The Left Coast is easily pleased.
Not so the Right Coast from DC on up.
They will be moving into the land of "Attytoodia".
That stock 13 song setlist shit will not flush.
The Dan now has about 3 or 4 months till Orlando
to work on it.
If they do the same shit there it will confirm that
they are trying to cash out without expending effort,
as well as not trying to make some DVD or live album.
They will need to add some more TvN, EMG, Gaucho
and preferably earlier such as Wu, Caves.
The setlist will need to go to two sets of 10 and encore.
Danfans need to step up now and begin the letter writing
campaign!
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 19:37:53 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, When's Spring Training?
Good Lord, all these anons. I'm thinking Nosebleeder is NYBill. The Bears cracks were an attempt by him to take any Superbowl thrill away from Hoops. Kind of silly. However, Bill makes a great point in that you don't go to 4 AFC Championships in 6 years with luck. It sounds like SoulMonkey can't let go of the "tuck rule" call 6 years ago. Get over it! Hell, the Pats had a couple of outrageous calls and non-calls against them yesterday. If you listened to Boston Sportsradio, most fans are not dwelling on that. They know that the Patriots linebackers are getting old and slow and that Manning and the Colts exploited that in the 2nd half. I'm happy for Tony Dungy. Glad he's going to the Big Show. I think Manning is something of a whiner (he even threw his Oline under a bus last year). I'd still rather have Brady as my QB any day.
A bittersweet weekend for me. I was thrilled Saturday with the reports of a great show and Danfest from Chumash. Really looking forward to seeing The Donald in less than 2 weeks!
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 19:05:30 ET
Posted by: Bob, On location
I noticed you still dodged his questions. To me, that points to a paucity of knowledge regarding the game in question.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:44:48 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
"You dismiss him just because he happens to cheer for a lousy team?"
Well at least NOW we're on the same page.
"Were you not allowed to discuss football with anyone else when the Patriots stunk?"
The Patriots aren't my team. I consider them a rival.
"Why would Steely Dan put out a new DVD? They play the same songs, with the same arrangements, with pretty much the same players. The addition of Keith Carlock playing on "Josie" instead of Ricky Lawson isn't enough to justify a production budget and release. Please."
You're right. I'm still waiting for them to release that surf music cd they promised us back in 2004.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:38:29 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Mr. Television: Why NATPE Matters
Marc Berman
Last paragraph:
"Finally, while I can't say the NATPE floor was buzzing with activity, the annual King World dinner (now CBS Television Distribution) was a real blast from the past: '70s FM rock stalwarts Steely Dan performed. And it was a nostalgic fit to a conference that always takes me back to the good old days of NATPE. This evolving conference is still worth attending."
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:35:33 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
Oh wow! It is Evian with pink lining.
I was upset to not get donald's, but oh well. We were close to just jumping up on stage and taking flight backstage, which of course is the Goldshlager talking. I bet it would of given you guys some nice entertainment.
I am in awe that you were just right behind us.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:35:30 ET
Posted by: Robert Kraft, On location
Good Lord, you're insufferable, nosebleeder. All he did was ask you to point out what parts of a football game you thought were poorly officiated, mentioned his objectivity by pointing out his favorite team (twice, I might add, after you didn't read good enuff, I reckon, to let it sink the first time), and you dismiss just because he happens to cheer for a lousy team?
Were you not allowed to discuss football with anyone else when the Patriots stunk?
Why would Steely Dan put out a new DVD? They play the same songs, with the same arrangements, with pretty much the same players. The addition of Keith Carlock playing on "Josie" instead of Ricky Lawson isn't enough to justify a production budget and release. Please.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:31:10 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Toad, I forgot all about you scoring that water bottle.
I was right behind you watching the whole thing. Evian water, right? :-)
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:30:49 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
"Hey Nosebleeder, I'm not trying to bust your balls man, but I'm not a Bears fan. As I've already stated in plain view, I'm a Raiders fan. "
You're a Raiders fan? And you wanna talk football? You should be ashamed of yourself (and THEM). In light of this I see no reason to continue this discussion, but I will say this, you don't win 3 Superbowls in the last 5 years by being a bunch of "luck ass bastards". Correct?
P.S.) The handle "Nosebleeder" is one which represents those forgotten fans up in the "nosebleeds" at a Steely Dan concert, not an actual "nose bleeder". I gave you a certain amount of time to figure that out and you didn't so I offer it as a definitive freebie.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:19:39 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
Laurie and Robert,
Sorry, missed your post until now. Stayed in a hotel in solvang that night with my girlfriend. She was the one who bought me the tickets for x-mas. I have been pushing Steely on her for a long time now.
She loved the show, she is hooked now and I couldn't be happier.
I am dissapointed I missed out on the partying with you guys, but it will happen sometime.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:13:34 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, snappin' my fingers like a fool
Um.
Right you are about the dumb part, old buddy, but...I'm just talking, is all...is that, like, okay with you? Thanks in advance, and by-the-bye, I forgive you for bein' such a soul-eating schmuck; obviously not your fault. I don't think I'll find a mean bone in my body for a good six-to-eight weeks after the experience I've just had, out in California (Mr. Morrison: "They're tryin' to change the WORLD out there in California!") So, y'know, love and peace from the Edge of the Desert to ya, son. Now, DRINK YOUR MILK. Selah.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:11:56 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
Gaucho, I agree would knock me down dead of excitement.
Anyway, hope all you guys had fun at chumash as well.
After the show, I got the empty water bottle that belonged to Corolyn during the show.
I asked for Donald's but the guy said they threw it away already.
Anyway, I have the empty water bottle belonging to her. Um, do I throw it away? I was pretty excited and intoxicated at the moment.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 18:01:46 ET
Posted by: fezo, icebound
they rehearsed "Gaucho" for the '03 tour?
Oh crap. If our heroes ever did that live, I would probably fall over dead.
My mini dream set:
Gaucho
Gaslighting Abby
Here At The Western World (original arrangement)
Pixeleen
Dr Wu
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 17:49:47 ET
Posted by: angel,
Gaucho has Jeff Porcaro on drums.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 17:41:52 ET
Posted by: You try to figure, but you're way too dumb
What's so hard to understand? The got a corporate show, so they figured that since they had the band out there, why not add a couple of shows in the area (Friant and Chumash). From what I understand, there were no formal rehearsals like there would be for a tour. Those were just last minute "extra" shows, that's why the setlist was the same from '06. I believe the shows in May are the beginnings of a new summer '07 tour with an updated setlist (as much as they update a setlist for a new tour). The CA shows were basically just a continuation of summer 06.
And what makes anyone even think they are interested in making another concert DVD? They've already done that, and they did it in their usual controlled manner. Plush Jazz was filmed over 2 nights in a studio in front of an invitation-only audience... I don't think they would have it any other way
Besides, what band would make a dvd from places called "Friant" or "Chumash".
"Steely Dan! Live from Chumash!"
No way
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 17:25:52 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, throwing in my last piaster's worth, here
Hey Danners,
You know, I was SURE there was something "up" about these shows in the way of preserving something for later, in the substance of a live album or DVD-live presentation...I can't imagine not capturing the current band in all their glory, RIGHT NOW, before one or more of 'em move on to the Next Big Thing...but the Hard Rock/Orlando would have a lot of available tie-ins, if you dig...I mean, I guess the question of "Why" is still doggin' me a bit. Don't know, kids, I sincerely don't, and it nags at me...once again though, I haven't seen a better live performance by what I consider a "big" band (remember, I'm supposed to be a hair-metal throwback/burner, at my age) in quite some time...
Listen, if you've got photos, I would really love to see 'em; is that possible? My addy is posted at top (slightly skewered for the spammers), if you're willing, y'know...see y'all soon. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 17:08:19 ET
Posted by: Gaucho Drummer,
I believe it was Steve Gadd who did Gaucho?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 17:03:39 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, not nuked on "24"
I continue to hold out hope that the Dan will use the opportunity of being in Orlando for the May 12 show to schedule another one the week prior down at Sunfest in West Palm. Have I mentioned that before? LOL.
Some have speculated on why they are doing what they are doing in terms of these four venues. And now we have the HBO Special angle. (I know it wasn't HBO, but I suddenly have that stupid after school special thing going through my head of "I'm only a bill, just sitting here on Capitol Hill. I want to become a law. Oh I hope and I pray that I will, but today I am still, just a bill.")
I am wondering if the corporate gig in Vegas was rehearsal and that the two Cali shows were intended to lay down tracks for a new live CD, with the trip to Orlando in four months giving them a chance to lay down any that didn't come out right so they can complete the task.
Thoughts?
LG
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 16:38:25 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
The guy shooting the stills was the casino phtographer, Dwight McCann. He said the photos would be available on his website in about 2 weeks: www.dwightmccann.com
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 16:37:59 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, F-ck Keith Jarret, that HACK
<<My guess would be because of the Keith Jarret conflict.>>
I dont think the guys care all that much about that conflict.
They did rehearse Gaucho for the 2003 tour (as evidenced by a KC interview). Maybe it wasn't grooving. The groove on that tune is unique and maybe it wasn't happeing for don+walt in a live setting. Didn't this song take, like, days to get an acceptable drum take from none other than Jeff Porcaro?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 16:34:16 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, I like vintage keys
"That funky one from the top of the stage added some cool shots of the keyboards and whirly."
You mean HAMMOND!
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 16:29:07 ET
Posted by: angel,
I work in broadcasting and have done countless productions, over a 27 year career. No, nothing I saw Friday night pointed to a REAL production (HBO or otherwise), but it couldn't hurt to ask. :-)
There were at least 3 cameras, by the way. That funky one from the top of the stage added some cool shots of the keyboards and whirly.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 15:52:15 ET
Posted by: Common L. Sense,
If HBO was filming this show their would be a ton of cameras on hand. Not just two.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 15:49:25 ET
Posted by: angel,
I asked the guy on the back camera the same thing and he said that "No, it was going nowhere". But I too noticed the HBO shirt.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 15:45:10 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
RR Jas: I asked the guy straight out if they were filming for HBO. He said "I sometimes film for HBO." That's it, nothing else...
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 15:34:45 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Did anybody happen to notice the cameraman's assistant with the HBO shirt? Really hard to miss. Any word on if it was HBO or just the normal rotating laundry day?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 15:06:12 ET
Posted by: How dry, I am
Hey Rajah,
I'll drink to that. (And I know you will too)
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 14:57:45 ET
Posted by: me, here
Tom,
My guess would be because of the Keith Jarret conflict.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 14:52:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Our Hoopsie is the best. Good friend, good son.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 14:07:30 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
Hey Nosebleeder, I'm not trying to bust your balls man, but I'm not a Bears fan. As I've already stated in plain view, I'm a Raiders fan. In my previous post I was just trying to say that you seem to be spouting off all of these criticisms before you've got all of the facts. In your last post, you all but had preordained the Pats as the Super Bowl champs. It seems only fitting that you jumped the gun yet again, and then had Manning shove it down your throat. I watch a lot of football, I mean a lot. You still haven't explain what you mean by "bad officiating" in the NO/Chi game. I guess the Colts cheated too. Don't give me that Bill Belechick bullshit scowl or the Tom Brady is still a great Quarterback excuse. I'm tired of seeing these luck ass bastards in the Super Bowl. The Pats get every freakin break, turn of good luck, and call made in the last 6 years. Thank God that Manning is finally getting his shot. He seems most deserving of going to the Super Bowl. He'll just the fact that he doesn't wear aqua green, white and orange may even give him a chance to win. I just can't figure out your Bear hatred.
Excuse the non Dan related topic.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 13:52:03 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, beautiful Havertown, PA
...i was just flipping thru the channels on the TV, caught a few minutes of a show called "Legends of Jazz"
http://www.legendsofjazz.net/
Ramsey Lewis is the host...today's guests were Phil Woods and David Sanborn...only got to see them do one song together, but the program looks cool...
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 13:40:13 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, amen corner
I'm really not sure what else I can add to the running commentary, other than, if you didn't get a Chumash Heavy Rollers t-shirt, YOU NEED ONE! Even my teen-ager remarked how cool it was and she hates
everything.
To my partners in art crime, you really know how to make a weekend! Thanks to everyone, especially the new friends we met. It is always a pleasure to share the great music and the special bond that we share.
Thank you so much, Jim! You're a legend!
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 12:26:34 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, In the North Desert of Nevada
What do I say - You people are the best. More on that later.
Laurie and I have some family business to attend to so I can't write long.
We still have some T-shirts left and will be offering them for sale when we get back. I think we have thirty left, but they're mostly large men's and women's sizes.
Thank all of you so much for making this event a blast!
Bobbo you are the coolest.
I've got to say that it was great being up front to worship our gods, but from the some of many posts the sound was definitely better in the middle. So count yourself lucky that you were around rows I - K.
If they play Maui, we may have to dig into the retirement funds.
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 10:21:29 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
CraigB...I think I did it right. Jason
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 09:49:42 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, UK Dandom on Trent
Hoops said
"Dan live music after a 4.5 month hiatus is tres welcome!" ...
JIM !!! it's been 7 F****** years over here FCS we would welcome East St Louis Toodle ooooooooo on the spoons !!!
OK so no one wants to talk Elliott Randall ... Is it cos he's English ? ;-)
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 08:05:41 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hey RR Jas it was good to have met you and others
Email me I have a non related question to ask
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 07:38:16 ET
Posted by: Merch, situation
Jive Miguel- a few danfest t-shirts available, ask Robert if you want one
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 00:43:18 ET
Posted by: tom, texas
Why on a tour named "heavy rollers" wouldn't they include the song Gaucho from where the phrase originated?
Date: Mon, January 22, 2007, 00:41:10 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
To the tune of SHOW BIZ KIDS
After op'nin' time
At the FYE
I begin to tell my order
To the pimply employee
Well I seen the band before
And I seen them before that too man
But of all the groups I could see on tour I wanna see Steely Dan
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be watching them play
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be partying all day
We got the seats left of center
With our travelin' plans
We got good views, I hope
Or else the shit hits the fan
We got the shapely bodies
We got the STEELY DAN TICKETS
But when we got our seat
We couldn't pick it
Oh honey lemme tell you
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be watching them play
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be partying all day
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be watching them play
When The Dan comes a-tourin'
We'll be partying all day
SHOW BUSINESS KIDS, YEAH THEY'RE TOURIN' ONCE AGAIN
YOU KNOW WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WHERE IT IS OR WHEN
You know we'll go to Orlando...Orlando, we'll go to Orlando...
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 22:27:09 ET
Posted by: See No Evil,
Geoff -
Your salt and pepper hair and big white teeth make me sick.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 22:26:12 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Home at Last
Oh man is it good to be home. Not that I didn't have a blast this weekend, but after the hell I had to put up with all day Friday with umpteen delays and horrible weather it's nice to be home and have that travel shit behind me. Being at that concert made it totally worth it - waltzed in with Geoff right at the start of Godwhacker and we were BUGGIN' OUT! The whole set was amazing and being able to spend those worthwhile moments with my Steely family made it worth all the drama of Friday. I'm sorry I missed the preshow Danfest, but I'm glad I got to meet so many new and fabulous people - Denise, deb of '07! Seriously, you guys are what it all worth it, and I'm glad I got to spend the weekend with all of y'all. Heck, I'm just glad I was able to make it out, period. Kept having nightmares of spending the night in Phoenix, sleeping next to the Cinnabon, clutching to my SD cds with tears down my face. Glad to have spent it with everyone in Dandom. Thanks for your concern, I've never had so many people run up to me and say "We were worried you wouldn't make it!" Thanks guys :)
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 22:22:33 ET
Posted by: Mr.Manning,
Boston Rag -I guess you're not selling your Saturday night Bearsville tickets now?
Go Colts!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 22:22:04 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
UPDATE:
The Chicago Bears will now lose the Superbowl to the Indianapolis Colts rather than the New England Patriots. Thank you.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 22:19:33 ET
Posted by: hey nosebleeder,
They got a name for winners in the world.
Nosebleeder is a good name for a loser.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 20:46:18 ET
Posted by: Orlando, Orlando a place with a Hard Rock
The GA tix are the worst for this set-up at that venue.
The good floor tix are reserved seating only - and long since sold out.
The GA tix you are looking at are totally to the side of the stage under a low ceiling and partly outright blocked by a wall - the sound stinks - you might as well stay in your car and listen to your favorite Dan CD.
Scalping on tickets now, or stuhub or the parking lot is your only option - and if your worried about $50 here or there than you might as well forget the whole thing.
This was the fastest selling show in Orlando for some time. Sorry, but you are way late to the party, my friend.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 20:32:08 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
You want proof SoulMonkey? Did you watch the first half of the Pats/Colts game? It looks like it's gonna be the Patriots and Bears in the SB, which means you'll be outplayed AND outcoached. You don't have a chance. You barely got by the 8-8 Seattle Seahawks the week before. You have no chance against the Pat's and Bill Belichick. Face it, your season is all over. I mean, all over except the embarrassment in Miami of course. And I'm gonna watch it too because you guys are finally going to see what a REAL championship team is when the final score is 55 to 3.
The Pat's are making a hall of fame quarterback look like a rank amateur right now (Payton Manning), what do you think they'll do to Rex Grossman? Hahahaha! It's gonna be ugly!
Pray for the Colts, but even then...
:)
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 20:04:56 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
Nosebleeder, do you even watch football on a regular occasion? I have no dog in this fight seeing how my team is the Oakland Raiders,
but how can you honestly say that the reason Chicago beat the Saints is becasue of the officiating? The Bears dominated in every phase of the game. They shut down the NO running game, and created multiple turnovers. Also, to say that Indy or NE are 10 times better than a Brian Urlacher led team is patently ridiculous to say the least. 10 times? What does that even mean? Quit the hyperbole and give me some facts as to why the Pats or Colts will beat the Bears. I'm not saying it can't happen, I just don't like blanket statements that don't contain any logic. Apparently you're just another disgruntled fan.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 19:41:36 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown detox
Hey everyone,
What a great time! Thanks Robert and Laurie for Danfest Part I, was a fun intro to a wonderful show. Loved Godwhacker and esp. Walter singing Haitian Divorce. The sound was great, and I came away with an increased respect for the abilities of these excellent musicians and performers.
Thanks to the ever-charming Rajah and Gretchen for Danfest Part II. Hope our singing is not what brought on security: Bobbo (sounding soulful), LWO (gorgeous and in perfect pitch), and I (really bad.)
Also, thanks to Sue and Dave for Danfest Part III: the finale. Our table did serenade fellow diners with Hatian Divorce, Geoff the Diplomat made everything all OK (but not with that phrase in the car.) And I will always remember GM being Aretha singing Black Cow. Priceless! The game was fun also: Ed, I still want Port Blanc back: Hoops and I were cleaning up nicely with that little property...
Well, I'm beat, and sober finally. Good night all.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:58:05 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, a/k/a NEXT STOP
Deacon:
The only tix that are left are the standing room only floor tickets. That's what they mean by floor. The venue is only 3000 seats. You can be on the floor, which is probably where 2500 of the seats are, or in the balcony. There won't really be a spot for dancing, I don't believe and I've been to that place many times.
I am not sure what difference there could be between these internet sites for tix. But, Ticketmaster is a true and correct source and so you won't go wrong with them. And if you get standing room tix, you can move around and get different vantage points and you will be able to see and hear just as well as anybody there. Its a pretty small place.
Your only other options are to try to scalp a ticket here (and I imagine they will be quite expensive) or wait and see if Ticketmaster releases any seats up near the front -- they often do that. But if they do, it will be in the last few days, so you are taking a risk going that route.
My advice, if you want to be sure and rest easy at night, is to buy the floor tix from Ticketmaster. If they release some later, you can buy those and probably sell the others.
Put it this way. If I was coming from Europe to see them, I'd want tickets in hand.
LG
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:31:43 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Some of the WORST OFFICIATING I have ever seen in a football game!
Give back that NFC championship trophy Hoops! You don't deserve it! You will absolutely get your asses kicked in the SB. It doesn't matter who wins the Pats/Colts game tonite, either one of them are 10 times better than the Bears.
The Superbowl is gonna be a yawner.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:27:59 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Is there someone who can help me for this?
I was looking for tickets for the Hard Rock Cafe Venue in Orlando.
The information that they gave me on Ticketmaster.com is different than those on pollstar.com. The only aviable tickets on Ticketmaster are those for the General admision groundfloor at 57 $, while the GA groundfloortickets on Pollstar are aviable for 110$.
Why such a great differance and what does it exactly means to be at that groundfloor? Is the soundquality bad at that level.
In fact, i wanna go to Orlando and Clearwater and i hope there will be other shows in Florida. What's the best way to procurate me those tickets as a No USA citizen.
Last time in march for the Californian concerts of the Don I did it with Ticketmaster; Is this really the most credible way to get tickets?
Other thing now. The Steely Dab band is almost exactly the same as the Donald Fagen Band.They played also the same songs just like Home at last. Was there a differance exept the fact that there was one more person, to knox Walter Becker?
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:14:54 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:12:30 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, a/k/a NEXT STOP
Reading everyone's comments ha sme all tingly for May 12.
Any regular posters coming down? Thinking about it?
I still have my fingers crossed for a show at Sunfest, the weekend before Orlando. Terrific opportunity for them. Hope someone is awake at the switch ...
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 18:07:18 ET
Posted by: LESTER, Mnt Tops
The band was hot... they played the famous meringue...... (spelling??) AND the Santa Barbara Weather was certainly a nice break from this midwest-like winter we're having here in the Wasatch Mountains this year.
Great Room for a show... and as much as I LOVE Keith Carlock as a drummer... (so many drummers... so little time.... etc...WB) I just think they had the bass drum mixed up too hot and Freddie's bass sound was just not tight enough. In fact the whole mix was quite a bit different from this last summer at San Jacinto or the Fagen shows in Chicago and SD in the Spring... The Alladin show had the bass/drum-Bass mix the same. Guitars seemed up louder... the vocals were down a bit... Donalds' Rhodes was hotter (which I liked) and the Jeff's Hammond was up when he played it... and I LOVED a real Hammond on stage.. with the Leslie Speakers... Wow, nothing like one of those... looked like a B3... but there were a LOT of hammond models that could get after it.. the ones with the HOT percussion settings were/are great... ala Jimmy Smith... that percussion setting (not on or appropriate for the solos Jeff did on the organ Friday night) is something else almost gives the Hammond a marimba-like sound... I have often wondered if that's what was used on "Goodbye Look" on The Nighfly instead of a Marimba. Another great Organ sound was on "Walk between the Raindrops" ... wow, it took me back hearing that Leslie "fart" that they left in the tune... that one place it just kind of goes "uhhhhnnnnn" way down low?? Yeah, Leslie distortion. Those amps in those old leslies were not real powerhouses and competing with the guitars they could let all sortsof weird noises out. Years ago in the late 60's and 70's I learned how to rewire a leslie to give it not only the "Fast" and the "Slow" speaker speeds but a "Stop" also... I timed it once... the tweeter would go from Fast to stop in four or five seconds but the bass baffle would take up to 40 seconds to finally grind to a halt... that contrast of the speed change abilities is what gave those things the unmistakeable sound. the "fast-slow-stop" biz gave rise to some useless jokes too.... "All I got going for me today is slow and stop..." Oh welll..
Great Show.. but Donald was pretty horse and struggling with it... even worse than in Chicago last March.. but he trooped on and really did some interesting things to switch things up for those notes that didn't exist for him Friday Night.
While certainly not up to the magic of Soboba last summer.. the music was pretty magical.. the horn solos and Herrington were terrific... and Jeff's Organ solo great.. and Carlock??? Unbelievable as always!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 17:54:39 ET
Posted by: Jack Brickhouse, Heaven
...and the Bears are the NFC Champions! Hey hey!!!!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 17:33:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I also forgot to mention how sweet
that organ sounded on Dirty Work
both nights! With kuddos to
Michael L's trumpet work on that
tune both nights. Shimmering.
Donald called "Do It Again" a
droney tune before they played it
in Friant. I hope he's sick of
it for a while. I'm glad they also
dropped for Chumash on Friday.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 17:06:31 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
A real organ sounds damn good to me as well!!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 16:58:42 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
What ever it was, it WAS a
real old school "organ".
And it sounded sweet!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 16:37:58 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Problem here is that a Wurlitzer is an electric piano, NOT an organ. Here's a picture of a Wurlitzer 200, one of the most common models:
http://www.vintagebua.no/php/image.php?table=pictures&id=165&size=medium
It actually looks a bit similiar to the Fender Rhodes.
It sounds to me like you're describing some kind of an organ. Which would also make me happy if he's using a real tonewheel Hammond organ or something! I don't know enough about organs, however, to determine much of anything. Electric pianos are more my specialty.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 16:27:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
The Whirly was placed turned toward
Keith up against the Drum riser.
Jeff had to leave the "primary"
keyboard to play it. It was def
a Whirly. In the over head shots
you could see the large colored old
school "flip swithches". Dead give-a-way.
Only "real" organs have those.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 16:20:43 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
And upon seeing a picture from the show (thanks to a fellow Bluebook poster for e-mailing it to me!), I can't make out any of Jeff Young's keyboards clearly except for a bright red Nord stage digital piano. It is one of the best Rhodes/Wurlitzer emulators, but still not a true electromechanical action electric piano. Anybody know if this is what was used to simulate a Wurlitzer, or if Jeff perhaps had a real Wurly somewhere else in his arsenal on stage?
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 15:12:20 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Great news on that Wurlitzer then! The less Jeff Young plays a digital piano or fake organ, the better. Now I'm really hoping we can get a show relatively close to me in the coming months!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 15:06:07 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I think "Godwhacker" was played throughout the '03 tour...they did it in Chicago in August, and Detroit a couple nights later.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 15:02:24 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Hey there Dan,
I didn't "just" say it. It was yesterday
when I posted ;)
But yes a real Whirly!
This was confirmed by the awesome "over-head"
shots provided by the Chumash!
It was a real treat to watch both Don & Jeff
solo & play at times from overhead.
That Whirly was butter and Jeff's Green Earrings
solos were magical because of it!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 14:57:08 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Lurker Ray, did you just say that Jeff Young has brought his Wurlitzer electric piano on this tour?? If that's true, I am a happy man. A Rhodes AND a Wurlitzer on stage at the same time...
Anybody able to confirm this?
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 14:46:58 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Hey Bobbo,
I'm glad you had a great time and I have
heard that Raj does resemble Peter Lorre.
BUT....Peter Lorre was NOT in The Treasure
of the Sierra Madre. Casablanca. Casablanca.
I believe the "Badges" actor was a gent named,
Manuel Donde. By the way, that's a young
Robert Blake selling lottery tickets in an
uncredited role.
GO BEARS!
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 14:24:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You people are the BEST. Thank you and ever thanks for your comeraderie and openess, is that a word even, who knows but know this: this was a golden memory I will always cherish, no bullshit, thank you, from the bottom, the bottom.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 14:24:29 ET
Posted by: bobbo, On the Dunes
Hey Danners,
I simply MUST say something about those of our kind, the crowd at the Chumash Danfest (thanks again so much R&L, stupendous job!) and the "after-show/afterglow" at Rajah and Gretchen's pad.
What a bunch of beautiful, wild, brilliantly clever and friendly bunch you all are! My great Godamighty, I haven't had so many great introductions and singalong madness (yes, security arrived at 12am sharp; most unforgettable moment: Rajah, theeth gritted, ready to take a whack at one of the three, the tallest, "biggest" one, of course, snarling, "You book Steely Dan, and the Steely Dan fans can't PARTY?!" It was like Peter Lorre in TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE..."WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BATCHES!!")! Hats off to y'all, I've got a lot of love and respect for all of you, and I can't wait until the next one. Hope you all make it home okay, and I wish I could be there for John's opening line upon returning to West Virginia (in the voice of J.Bachus/Thurston Howell, III: "Lovey, I'm ready for my bawth!"). What a cool crowd, a tremor to be felt for sure by the masses lucky enough to've been nearby, a fine time, a FINE TIME.
Sorry to miss the Last Supper (a tradition that should be continued in future Danfests, I think); my plane left Santa Barbara at 6:05am, and I barely made it, y'know! Maybe next time...
And with that, I'm off to continue the Bears/Saints NFC Championship, the entertainment of the day...Bless and Keep, brothers and sisters, until we groove again. Bless and Keep...and, um, have you got extra glasses in YOUR room? I think we're all out, in here...selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 14:06:44 ET
Posted by: well, what was
and why did it happen
and at that restaurant also
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 12:06:58 ET
Posted by: sunny, santa barbara
There were 06 keychains for $5, beige SD baseball caps for $10 and the t-shirts as mentioned, for 15. Maybe by May there will be a newer selection.
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 10:33:54 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Chumash WOW!! These guys keep getting better and better
GODWHACKER
We got to sit by some "Steely Who" folks and I wished that had a traser
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 01:34:33 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Miguel, I think that this may have been posted by someone below, but the merchandise at Chumash consisted of leftover 2006 items at discount prices. My wife got a SD metal key fob, but I don't recall how much she paid. The formerly $30 or $35 T-shirts were going for $15 if memory serves.
GW
Date: Sun, January 21, 2007, 00:32:39 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
What's the merch situation?
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 23:24:46 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Back in Torrance
Angel, great meeting you all last night. Agreed that much thanks are owed Robert, Laurie, and Denise for making the Danfest a success. Also thank you Rajah, Gretchen, and Steevy for hosting the after-show party. I ended up at the front of the stage near DF during My Old School, and got some photos, but only one good one so far. Possibly the backlighting from where I was standing affected the exposures. If you e-mail me at the above address, I will send you one.
GW (and Mrs. GW)
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 23:09:12 ET
Posted by: angel,
Well...interesting way to celebrate the week of my birth. :-)
A few quick comments about last nights show.
Donald was just so sexy! His hair is shorter then normal and he was just wonderful. Made my night right there.
Walter's talk during Hey 19 was indeed hilarious. He started talking about driving over from Santa Barbara and then something about the "decay of the social order". He mentioned Lake Cachuma (which is just over to the east of the Santa Ynez area) and the drink that could not be named from this stage at this venue. It was indeed funny stuff.
The opening announcements mentioned that if you wanted to dance, please go to the sides of the room. So as soon as the band came out and broke into Turtle Talk, I was over on the side and danced to the Opening number, Bodhisattva. Sat down for most of the concert and then returned to the side during Peg and did the final songs on the side with many other SD fans. Then during the encore we were right at the front of the stage. I couldn't get any closer to Jon, if I tried. It was so worth it. I appreciated the laid back security, though at one point they did point to my camera. I told him the picture was fuzzy (it was) and he let me go without further problems.
The pre party at the Maverick was excellent, though the cold did get a bit much as the evening progressed. The tee shirts are excellent, and Laurie and Robert deserve all the kudos for making a crappy place into something unforgetable.
Lurker Ray: One of the cameras was an overhead camera and yes that did indeed look like Jeff was playing the whirly.
He was great, on Green Earrings!
Great to see you all.
More dates coming, I see... :-)
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 22:40:58 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, back home on the couch
CHUMASH
Well, I don't really have much to add that hasn't already been covered. I can only echo the sentiments of those of us lucky enough to be there. The performance itself was as good or better than Wednesday night in every way. I think the day off did them some good. They seemed relaxed and genuinely happy to be there. The crowd response was more enthusiastic, and the room itself was far superior in every way too, from the proscenium stage to the sound system and overall acoustics. This clearly was not lost on the band. It was a pretty nice little showroom designed for these sorts of events as opposed to a quickly converted bingo parlor.
One of the funnier moments in Friant occurred when the drum tech had to squeeze himself between the back curtain and Carlock's drum kit to adjust a cymbal or something, and in the process, incidentally nudged the curtain open to reveal part of the bingo board. It remained that way for the rest of the show. Nice touch of authenticity and a reminder of where we were... but I digress.
Back to Chumash - Any review of the show itself has to begin with Godwhacker. What a sweet treat and surprise. Hard to believe they hadn't done it for an audience since.... when was that? Early summer 2003? Stellar performance. Definitely a welcome addition to the set. All the rest was all everybody else said it was too. I could say it was too short, but I would say that if they played twice as long. As it was, the 90 mins.+ that we did get was sublime and blissful. It's just that I think "An evening with..." should mean something more than, "No opening act." Not a criticism, just an opinion. If this is the sort of truthiness that's supposed to hurt all over, then all I can say is, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
The pre and post show events were grand too. Great fun, and nice bookends to a really great show. My only regret is not making sure I met everyone there so I could attach a face to the name. But that just gives me something to look forward to at the next DanFest. For those of you who I did get to share time with: Thanks, that was a lot of fun.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 22:13:28 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
I don't post often but like reading all of the fellow blue posters. I feel as if I know a lot of you and hopefully this year I can meet some of you. The only person I have ever met is Pete Fogel, but I already knew him of sorts, through someone that plays in a band at his clubs.
I see that setlist is virtually the same this year. I like everyone else craves for those deeper cuts. I feel fortunate that last year in Scranton I was able to here Pixeleen. Maybe by the time they get to The right coast we will here some different cuts. I cannot make Bearsville because I am having my annual big Super Bowl Party the day after.
I would love to hear: Pearl Of The Quarter, My Rival, and of course the WU.
Mark in Connecticut.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 21:42:07 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
One of the more compelling moments of our trip was stopping at a fruit stand in La Conchita. This was a town that was hit by a mudslide in 2005, killing 10. You have this beautiful range of small mountains and this big gap where the mudslide occured. Very sobering. Back to Chumash.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 20:39:28 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
May 9 Clearwater Florida Date Has Popped Up On Pollstar.com!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 19:33:37 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Back In Sunny Malibu
I was soooo happy they decided to use
the M.I.L.O Sound System created by
Meyer Sound last night!!!!!
Donald remarked how "great the sound was".
Next to Pechanga and Soboba (with that killer
"mini rig")it was one of my top three sounding
Steely/Fagen shows. Highlights for me of
these past two shows:
Friant & Chumash soloing back and forth between Walter and
Donald and Jon and Walter. All new improvisations
and Walter was just having a blast.
Walter's Friant & Chumash "Hey 19 rap", unique to the "first
leg" of the 2007 Heavy Rollers Tour, was just hilarious
and he had Donald in stiches. I have never seen him
crack up like that. Really fun.
Babylon Sisters! Two killer takes and we have not
heard that in over three years. Jeff Young's singing with
the girls on the chorus really brought the tune to a new
level. Did anyone else notice that it looks like Jeff
has a "real Whirly" with him this tour?! His Green
Earrings solos were sublime.
Chumash "Over head" camera shots!
Chumash Godwhacker and Haitian Divorce! Stunning
Godwhacker and we have not heard these two tunes
in over 3 and half years!
Funny thing folks, I actually have the Set List from
the soundboard last night. FM was supposed to have
been played before My Old School. I am so glad
they skipped it. It was really refreshing to see
two Steely Dan Shows without FM. I believe that is
the first time since they "reformed" in 1993!
I hope they nix these "Dry" Casinos. I hate having
to try and pound booze at some covert location
before the going to the Casino. I was very odd.
People drinking coffee and chain smoking. It was
like Steely Dan was playing to two A.A. Meetings.
Hey Don and Walt, I likee a beer or two with my show
okay? Had to switch out rental cars in Fresno and got
a late start so I never got to Sheri's. Drove
by it on the way back was not going to stop and
drink and try to drive in that "Bumf%*$" darkness!
Drank a couple Fat Tires at the bar at Mavericks, but
that place was freezing! Like drinking in your buddies
garage in the middle of winter. So I headed for the
Casino. Bolted right after the show & was lucky to get one
of the last meals served at the Hitching Post bar last
night. Can't recommend this place enough. Just spectacular.
One of the best filet mignon and twin lobster tails I
have had in long time. Rivaled The Palm and Mortons.
Started with some baby-back ribs, but being from Chicago,
they didn't come close to Twin Anchors. So, if you are
off to the Hitching Post, skip the ribs, but the steaks and
seafood are top notch. Closed the bar drinking Paso Robles
own Firestone Double Barrel Ale. I picked up a case at
Albertsons on my way out of Buellton. It's that good. So
if you haven't left Chumash yet, stop by the Albertsons
and pick some up. You won't be dissapointed. Met one of
Brian Setzers sax players at the bar. He was a guest of Skip Gildersleeve and a friend of Walt W. Turns out that Skip is also Brian Setzer's guitar tech and Walt W. writes charts for this guys
side project that is an 8 piece. Now looking forward to next month. I see there were more dates brewing around that Orlando date. Here's a question for you New Yorkers about the upcoming Bearsville Shows,
"Do I have to worry about roads being closed driving up from the city?"
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 19:25:47 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Great show...Waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy toooooooo short. The sound was great, almost a bit too loud leading to a bit of distortion at times. Nice to meet Craig B and his wife, and senor Hoops. Walter's cuervo gold intro with passing by Lake pochucama is still making me laugh. See you soon.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 19:17:42 ET
Posted by: Lenny,
Lady Fan- Is that you Angel?
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 19:09:55 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SY
Hoops et al- where are you guys???
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 18:24:32 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New Jersey
One quick question, is the song count correct, 13????? Not including Turtle Talk and Last Tango.
In the "old days" didn't the boys do 2 sets?
THANKS!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 18:18:27 ET
Posted by: Lady Fan,
Awesome show last night. One thing though, if Walter would have sung a solo song, especially one from his next album, I would have wept with joy, screamed until throat gave out--and then suffered a case of the vespers.
Please Walter, let us wait no more.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 18:11:23 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, on the dunes, in Pismo Beach
One word:
GODWHACKER!!!
Ooops, ok, two more:
Fuckin' A!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 17:28:51 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, enjoying a beautiful day in sannie-enez
Great show last night! Some sweet treats & surprises- Walter on "Haitian" made my night- and yes "Godwhacker", nice to hear it again since Paso...dancing in the front for the last song was something I never thought I would get to experience- fantastic.
Ok, gushing aside, so great to finally meet all of you last night- hope to connect with you later- Sue has my #, give me a ring- prob won't make it to Hitching Post later for din-din...when's that trivia game on?
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 15:05:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Chumash
Oy, me droogies, vhat a party! These people know how to celebrate, it was like being back at my old school. Thank you for honoring our house, dear people, Alan and Steve and the Mrs and I were so happy to have you near us, seriously, I won't be forgetting last night until, well, until I can't remember anything anymore.
Oh the babes looked great last night, no the ones in our rooms, not Carolyn and Cindy, although they ain't bad either.
Godwhacker was tight, i remember the night they debuted it in Costa Mesa, jeez, what a trainwreck that was, but last night made up for it. Attack, attack, attack is what they did, it had teeth, Don shoulda maybe been a reed player, he blew gold on that melodica.
Walter actually had nice tonal quality on his Haitian, I actually heard a few glissandos, he seemed relaxed, pitch perfect, that had to be his best vocal performance.
Seems like these guys have dropped lot of their terminal uptight white guy stuffiness. They're up there to deliver, period, and they did not dissapoint. The pro's pros is what they were last night.
Ah-thank you a-boyza, as Donald intoned yestereve.
Now I gotta clean up all these beer bottles... chime in Chumashians!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 10:39:29 ET
Posted by: STPOC,
Uh... maybe they'll only do the large venues in the Summer/Fall and do the smaller venues in the Winter/Spring? Makes sense because alot of the larger venues are open-air venues. The fact that they're doing smaller venues in the winter months doesn't mean they intend to do that from now on, it might just be a logistical reality of winter touring for them.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 10:18:32 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
Did Walter sing on Haitian Divorce?
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 07:02:21 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Robert:
I think you might find that your hero is JON HERINGTON.LOL
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:30:50 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Fantastic show tonight. Best "Godwhacker" EVER. Loved Walter's taking over the "Cuervo Gold" line in "Hey 19"--awesome! I would say this was as good as my favorite two shows I saw in 2006--tonight was as good as Detroit and Camden in my book. BTW: Dave Morgan is back. Didn't know that. Now post-show Danfest in Rajah and Gretchen's sweet suite (Awwwwww...). I'll have one for all of you who I wish were here.
"Trooper of the Year Award" goes to Girl Margaret after being snowed in at Newark for one delay, only to get trapped in Phoenix and then finally make it to the show a couple of tracks in--with a huge smile on her face. Beat that one!
jim
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:14:54 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes
WOW. That was fantastic. My hero John Harrington did an excellent job. Not to mention Walter and Donald. Life is good.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:14:16 ET
Posted by: YES,
HOLY SHIT THEY DID PEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:12:38 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Heaven, man!
Just back from Chumash; listen, don't let the naysayers say nay, THIS BAND IS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER...okay, I see the setlist above, but for real: some new "tweaky" arrangements on a couple of items, and the rythm section of Carlock and Washington are the Money; crowd VERY cool, best mix of "kids," Oldies, so many friends, the Dan Family, and yes--MERCH ON THIS TOUR THUS FAR. At half-price since last Summer, yo. Word to your swag-space, and Big, Big News--THEY ARE COMING YOUR WAY THIS SUMMER, FLORIDA, so get your Little Bitty Pretty One prepped. Or, y'know, whatevah. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:10:59 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Chumash
Narvekous indeed.
Good sounding room. Good crowd. Great show.
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:08:47 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
GODWHACKER! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:05:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Haitian Divorce abd Godwhaker were narvekous! Let the party start!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 01:02:10 ET
Posted by: angel,
Set List for Chumash 1/19/07
Turtle Talk
Bodhisattva
Time out of Mind
Aja
Godwacker
Hey 19
Josie
Babylon Sisters
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Haitian Divorce
Peg
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
Last Tango
GREAT CONCERT!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, January 20, 2007, 00:13:57 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
Okay, I've done my bitching about the repetitiveness of the setlist, but here's the truth. If they toured with the exact same setlist twice a year in my area every year for the next 10 years, I'd dole out the money to see them each and every time. Fuck, if they went out there and played Turtle Talk and then a 75 minute version of Bodhisattva I'd be content. It's still Steely Fucking Dan. Being 19 I've only seen them twice (my parents wouldn't let me go in 2000 because they feared there would be "too much pot"). Maybe it's the fact that I haven't seen them nearly (or more than) twenty times like some of you have. Yeah, I complain about the setlist because I've already seen this show twice now and I'd love to see something different, something interesting, something I wouldn't expect to hear. But at the end of the day, I'm still seeing Don and Walt and the I-4 All-Stars and the ladies play and sing their hearts out.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 22:48:23 ET
Posted by: Mark&Marie, New Jersey
To Crystal Balls - we see and agree with your points, the only difference, you had the b@lls to put it in print!
Looking backwards, we definitely had more "fun" at the Don solo shows, but we really enjoyed the McDans too. However, we won't hit 7 bookings, even if there are that many in 07, especially with a repeat set list. However, we really hope one more time into the breach, we call home, the Northeast.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 22:11:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
We're goin in, what a great party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 21:06:56 ET
Posted by: the crystal balls,
these Dan concerts are get togethers for some which they enjoy.
but for these standardized shows this is what is going on
SD is trading on their name for perhaps one last cash in and doing minimal musical work to do so. which is what any of us would do in a similar point in life. they are selling a good amount of tickets on their own without much promotion. this heavy rollers tour is a continuation of McDan but they keep the revenue for themselves this time. most larger venues will not book SD alone, although in the northeast they might sell out by themselves. which is the reason for the smaller venues. also they are going to places where they weren't the last time to squeeze as much juice out of the orange as possible. there will come a point at the end of this year that there won't be much juice left but pulp and skin. one would hope that they are raising the cash to make at least a tenth SD record before they call it quits. don't hold your breath.
Don and Walt of the two of them it has become clear that Don drives SD and has shown that he is much more into performing and innovation.
Don has to drag Walt along but the relationship here for this tour is about the money. but there is no SD without walt. and the SD name is the draw for the casual fan who wants to hear the wormy radio hits that Don complained people wanted on his solo tour. well SD is giving the people what they asked for. Don is probably gritting his teeth doing it. but the money eases his pain.
the future of "Dandom" looks like it is going to be "Dondom". which is great for the hard core SD fan. Don gave the variety type of concert on his solo tour that many of us are now wanting with album cuts and covers in addition to the hits. we are most likely to see Don continue with such things as that and Bearsville type concerts which will be done just for the art of it and they will go on maybe for a long time after there is no more SD. Walt is probably going off on his own merry way taking his time to do his solo album. even though it might be a masterpiece, maybe the reason we haven't seen it is that maybe no record label wants to touch it given the low sales of Morph.
the future of commercial big label recordings for SD, Don or Walt appears bleak. they will probably be relegated to internet sales with no promotion or airplay as what happened with Morph. so we will have to keep tabs on what Don is doing during and after this year and we will eventually Morph over to becoming "Donfans" in the long term..
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 18:57:10 ET
Posted by: StupidPieceOfCrap, aka : STPOC
All this bitching about the setlist...
When will you all understand that for the hardcore fans like yourselves the actual show is secondary to the party that occurs before and after it? I agree with what StAlphonzo has said in the past; These forums are more about THE FANS than they're about Fagen and Becker. This is a place for THE FANS to get together and discuss whatever they want to. The friendships you make here are far more important than Steely Dan itself. When you go to these shows you get to hang out with each other and have fun, the Steely Dan show is secondary to that. Only the novice SD concertgoer would think that the show was more important. For now, you have an opportunity to see each other in person and have some good times that you'll remember for the rest of your lives, once Steely Dan stops touring THAT will be the thing you miss the most, not the concert itself. So who cares what songs SD plays, the music is only a backdrop for the goodtimes you'll have together. That's the most important thing about these shows, wouldn't you say?
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 18:36:33 ET
Posted by: B. Murray,
Looks like Raj is suffering out there....missed three days of work... braved snow and ice and sheer twising roadside cliffs... spent beau coups bucks...bad restaurants.....and will spend half of Saturday getting back. For what....as it turns out?
Steely Dan concerts that have been like 'Ground Hog Day'.
Its like an 'awful dream, he'll have most every night'.
There is still time to put together that message bedsheet as somone earlier suggested. Might as well have some fun out of this.
No doubt Raj should be voted Danfan #1
Either that, or he should be known as 'JOB' from now on.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 17:50:44 ET
Posted by: GrimReaper , We're losing too many
Denny Doherty, one-quarter of the 1960s folk-rock group the Mamas and the Papas, known for their soaring harmony on hits like "California Dreamin'" and "Monday, Monday," died Friday at 66.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 17:39:34 ET
Posted by: Matt Roce, Santa Barbara
Sorry for the repeat.
Grad student very short on funds looking for Chumash show ticket, preferably in the nosebleed section. *Interesting trades considered*
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 17:24:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The gaaldern cellphones don't work here at Chumash. The After-party is is rooms 221 and 216, right accross from each other. Dear Lord, bring booze for heavenssakke!
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 16:50:42 ET
Posted by: Just About to Quit, It's not all that I thought it would be
Am I having fun yet? The answer is a resounding NO. Guess I'll drink.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 16:48:30 ET
Posted by: Just About to Quit, It's not all that I thought it would be
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 16:26:40 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, going home now
Hoops,
Newark would be a long drive from Bearsville. I posted about airports a few days ago.
Bradley (Springfield/Hartford) is 2.5 hours due west - two lane roads, one toll bridge one way. If you fly into Bradley let me know - I'm going that way anyway.
Newburgh (Stewart) to the south is an OK airport - about 1 hr away all on NY Thruway North. My wife has flown JetBlue out of there to Fla - no problems. Significatly cheaper than Bradley - with three passengers worth the extra hour drive. Would not pay if only one traveller. Tolls
Albany would be slighly over an hour away almost all southbound on NY Thruway. Tolls
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 14:59:15 ET
Posted by: To nosebleed,
"Don't bite the ass that feeds you"
WE are the ones feeding Dan.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 14:34:51 ET
Posted by: hoops, LAX, waiting for my plane to SB
If I was going to the SATURDAY Bearsville show, would I be better off flying into Albany or Newark? I imagine Saturday traffic would be different. I would be driving from either airport to the show.
THANKS!
jim
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 14:10:46 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, on the road to Chumash
Wanna go see Steely Dan tonight?
2 seats together, 15th row, center aisle. If you want 'em, call me: (415) 963-1323.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 13:56:33 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, north
Ruth Eckerd Hall - Q's stoping grounds. Really small venue - 2180 - fancy concert hall. What a great place to see them play. I'm envious.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 13:03:13 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Two more shows:
Wed 5/9 Clearwater, FL at Ruth Eckerd Hall
Fri 5/11 Atlanta, GA at Chastain Park
see link: http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?AN=Y&By=Artist&Content=STEELY&PSKey=Y
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 13:01:11 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, hit return to fast
Hotlanta - will Michael Vick be there asking "How in the world did that water get in my hashish bottle?" Go Falcons!
Not a casino stop - hope for the rest of the tour! Can't wait to see the new t-shirts.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 12:53:11 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, hardly Snowbound this year
I see there is a new date for Steely Dan Fri 05/11/07 Atlanta, GA Chastain Park Amphitheatre. Slowly working their way north.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 12:35:09 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood and soon to be at Chumash
I'm going to jump into the set list debate. Steely Dan are going to play what they want to play, and no amount of bitching or whining or moaning is going to change that. They choose the songs they are going to do, and if you don't like that you can choose not to go. I'm just happy to see them live. I went to ST. Louis last year to see them, because I had seen Atlanta rhythm section on Friday, John Fogerty on Saturday, and how often can I see my three favorite bands in one weekend.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 12:09:28 ET
Posted by: Matt Rice, Santa Barbara
Looking for a single ticket to the show at the Chumash.
email/call if possible. (805) 455-2751 Will pay face
value.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 11:46:10 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV to Chumash
Geoff Eric ,Raj Gretchen, LWO N.Girl ,Angel,Hoops and others Who are going to the Steely Fucking Dan Show tonite and not complaining.
We will see You All there in a few hours
Have a safe trip you all
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 11:31:05 ET
Posted by: The General with the stupid glasses and the gun, Anthonys Bar and Grill
first post on the "Blue", just wanted to say have fun at Chumash
wish I was going but I aint
waiting for AC to come my way since I'm on the east coast (since its High Rollers tour I figure this is a shoe in) can't make Bearsville so this is my next shot
see you all there if and when they finally post it
trying to get back in the Dan spotlight, my last show was 2000 Jones Beach where I met Hoops and Pete and a few others, been on a sort of hiatus since then
anyway have a couple on me
signing off for now
the general
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 11:26:49 ET
Posted by: Geoffs right,
I myself will be in Santa Ynez tonite.Standing,cheering after every song.This will be our 19TH SD concert.And I undrstand what the rest of you are saying about the setlist.But its "Steely freakin Dan". Yeah baby yeah.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 11:18:12 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, On the other hand
you won't be seeing a SD Christmas album or God forbid some pathetic, bullshit, hack, pseudo-patriotic TV commercial like: “This is Ourrrrrrrrr country”. So you can still be a fan of guys who have some class and character which is not easy to find these days.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 11:12:17 ET
Posted by: heymike,
Geoff---wow.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:58:30 ET
Posted by: fezo, Monticello view
I've given up complaining about the lack of imagination in the setlists. Like beating a dead horse.
On the other hand, I'm still intrigued about the financial logic behind the "High Rollers" tour. Seats seem a lot less numerous than the typical shed tour. Are casino's able to throw in a cut of that night's gambling take to sweeten the revenue pot? Otherwise, I just don't see how our heroes are making any money off the shows, especially--as others have noted--since they are a traveling with a ten piece band.
What's next, ice shows? Maybe soon we'll be flipping on NBC to see WB noodling away on Josie while Nancy Kerrigan twirls center ice.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:37:54 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Still in hoston
Angry White Dude,
Don't you ever dare make statements on behalf of bluedom ("We're pissed")
And don't you fucking dare tell people, especially Rajah, to make asses of themselves at SD shows on your wanky-assed behalf.
I'm pissed,
Geoff
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:31:49 ET
Posted by: Joshua, OC soon to be at Chumash
I am 30 years old today!!! No matter the setlist I will be spending my bithday with my girl and Steely Dan!!! Looking forward to seeing you all there tonight.
I have to admit, even though it is a commonly played song, "Time out of mind" sounds great live...What is the instrument DF is playing in that song? Its half keboard/synthesizer/microphone.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:31:03 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Houston
Lou Chang,
They haven't played Do it again on many of the 90/00s tours, and the latest version with the KC drum solo at the end is the best ever. So there.
See you all at the C&W place around 5 pm
Geoff
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:30:55 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Freaky Friday
This is not the Steelyard MMcD tour - small venues, no promotion. Who else but the hardcore would go to these shows? How would the "just curious/just the hits" types know? So it just amazes me that they would not play anything from 2vN or EMG or hell, Morph, 11 TOW, new WB, deep cuts, covers or whatever. Lots to choose from - doesn’t make any damn sense. Now, all of you Chumash pilgrims sing together in hopeful adulation (from West Side Story): Tonight. Tonight. Won't be just any night. Tonight there will be no morning star. Tonight. Tonight. I'll see my love tonight. And for us, stars will stop where they are.
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 10:21:36 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I like Eric's attitude. I would pay to see the same show as I did on labor day, these superb musicians playing this great material. And while I might be disappointed that they didn't play my obscure favorites, I'd enjoy hearing "the hits," all of which are great songs too. I'm glad they can still make a living in the music business and that they can provide work for the great musicians who have recorded and toured with them in recent years. It's amazing they're still out there, after being finished as a band 27 years ago! How lucky we are. What a great year, 2006, Fagen Band and Steely Dan live. How much longer will they continue?
Whine away about the setlist. But, as Joni Mitchell wrote: "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone..."
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 06:10:49 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Don't bite the ass that feeds you!
Date: Fri, January 19, 2007, 02:26:24 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, back home on the couch
My thoughts on Fresno: A really great set of standards. An opportunity to bear witness to some dazzling musicianship on display in the foothills of Hell last night. Getting to do so in the company of those of you who were there made it all the better. It was fun to hang with you guys. Special thanks to Lutz for sharing his good fortune with me that landed me a mere eight rows back of the stage directly in front of Walter Becker. The band was hot. Walter's guitar playing was just outstanding, especially on Home at Last, and Josey. If I've ever seen him play better, I swear I can't remember when. He was loose and tight at the same time. You'll know what I mean when you see for yourself. The trading of lead parts on Green Earrings by Becker and Jon Herrington was superb. The other highlight I'll mention was Dirty Work. I was floored. Damn near brought a tear to my eye. The Leonhart siblings really shined on that tune. Cindy Mizell too.
I really didn't know what to expect going in, other than to think this is going to be one strange night in a very strange place. Right on both counts and delightfully so. Did I want them to play longer? Sure. Two sets would have been swell. My immediate thought after the show was, 'great first set'. Did the fact that they didn't play a second set cheapen the 1:15+ that we got? Not in my book. Did I want them to play something different, maybe something we hadn't heard before? Sure I did. In a big way. Did the fact that they didn't, diminish their virtuosity on the material they chose? Of course not. Will I have more defined expectations going in to Chumash? Certainly. Think of me as a skeptical optimist.
What I find frustrating is no matter how well they play whatever material they choose, I know they are capable of more. I think it's a safe bet that we would all like to see them challenge themselves, and take some chances with things they haven't done in a while, if ever at all. Who knows? If they tire of the lounge act, maybe they will. In the meantime, it's a hell of a lounge act. Catch it if you can.
I suspect tomorrow night's crowd will be a little more boisterous than the bunch in the bizarro bingo parlor last night. The journey to Friant is one that won't be soon forgotten. I just kept thinking, "Man, they are not making this easy," all the way up there. None but the brave and/or deranged among us made the trip. We bought the ticket, we took the ride, and for me anyway it was worth every last turn on that winding mountain road. Yes, Rajah you are correct sir - that was the longest 16 mile drive ever. I thought my odometer had broken and I had somehow passed the place, and this was all one big joke. I swear the sign off the freeway exit said 16 miles. Funny thing is, the sign on the way back to Fresno said '20'.
VENI VIDI VICI
See you all in Santa Ynez.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 22:49:53 ET
Posted by: hfs, on the way soon
HFS
MR STEEELLLLLLY DAN
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 22:15:29 ET
Posted by: Laurie & Robert, On the Dunes in Morro Bay
Robert is on a biz trip so I'm dutifully reporting in... I picked up the t-shirts today and they look awesome. Denise, your graphics look great!
I wouldn't mind hearing some good oldies (if I could hear a live version of Parker's Band my life would be complete), but I don't care what the set list is becuase I'm gonna be fifteen feet from Donald Fagen!
Looking foward to putting some faces with names tomorrow at Maverick's. Hey Toad, stop by the bar and let some of the old guys buy you a drink!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 21:50:55 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, Pismo Beach!
Hey kids ~ I am in lovely Pismo Beach right now. Just spent the sunset hour in the spa overlooking the ocean. Windy as shit out in the parking lot, but lovely in the spa. The hotel blocks the wind. The trip down the coast included many whales, and an incredible wild turkey in the sun, in full psychedelic-colored glory. Nice!
Gretchen, I am going to try your cell phone in a few minutes. Just came down to the front desk to give them my credit card back to open my phone for long distance... You guys can reach me at 773-4833, room 112 if ya wanna. linda
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 21:34:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest has just been mailed, this time covering from January 15-18, 2007.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
• REDUX: Santa Ynez Danfest Details
• REDUX: Ollabelle Shows to Feature Fagen & Phoebe Snow
• NPR: Peyroux talks about writing
• T I C K E T E X C H A N G E
- - NEW! Chumash 1/19 Ticket Available
- - NEW! 1/19/07 - 1 Ticket For Sale: Sec B Row CC Seat 18, $95
- - Chumash Sec A Row I Seat 31 and 32 for sale
• SPOILER: SETLIST—Private gig at NATPE in LAS VEGAS 1/16/2007
• SPOILER: Fresno, CA Setlist 1/17/2007
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Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill, and thanks for your patience.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 20:06:27 ET
Posted by: Angry White Dude,
We're pissed. And we're not gonna take it anymore!
We should start a letter writing campaign.
But first Rajah should find a Target or Wal Mart
and get a twin bed size 200 thread count percale
bedsheet and a can of fluorescent spray paint
and write a pointed message, in upper case letters
expressing our general dismay.
Carefully fold the sheet and stick it where the
sun don't shine to smuggle it in.
Open it at about the third song in.
You are near the front, so they should be
able to see it.
Then see what the reaction is.
When you get back we'll work on the letter
campaign.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 20:01:48 ET
Posted by: CB, NCA
When the hits are done to perfection / I say it was still worth it!!
I like them small venues!
Got the ipod fired up for the "other" playlist tonite.....
Gretchen, Raj, Alan - and all the rest have a blast Fri. -
and Eric, Roger, Lutz - glad to have met ya all !!
Cliff
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 19:55:32 ET
Posted by: Your thoughts on Orlando selling out and the crowd there,
So basically the only tickets left at the HR in Orlando are for general admission perimeter standing area. I just don't understand how this venue is going to be filled with primarily fans that just know the hits. The date went up a week before tickets went on sale. It practically sold out 4 months before the concert date, and it's a relatively small venue at 3000ish seats. And I heard NO promotion for this event. I just can't see how SDlite fans are going to have known about this AND gotten tickets SO quickly.
Obviously, this post is made in light of the short, repetitious, fairly "shallow" setlists.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:50:38 ET
Posted by: hoops, again
I just tweaked something in an attempt to reduce spam postings. If you tried to post in the past ten minutes or so, you may have encountered an error. This should now be resolved. Be sure to click the "Post" button to the left of the yellow peeps of the next few times since the posting script has a minor change. You may also need to reload the bluebook for the new posting page to load. Please email with any other concerns. Thanks for your patience.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:44:33 ET
Posted by: Lucky 7,
I think they should write more rock songs and play "Change Of The Guard".
Happy?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:26:26 ET
Posted by: hoops, in chicago, getting ready for california
Sure, some new stuff will be welcome...but sheesh... Dan live music after a 4.5 month hiatus is tres welcome!
I don't think we're all in complete agreement.
As far as the dancing, that's been a long standing DF comment for over a decade. Ditto for Walter. More than a comment, as best I understand, they truly do love it when people dance and I'm sure they appreciate the venues where that is more of a possibility. I do appreciate not everyone likes dancing at Dan shows—including some of the biggest fans. Regardless dancing's been a debate for years. Heck that was part of the enthusiam about Dead fans at the shows circa 1996--Spinners at Alpine. Maybe will have another I like Dancing/I hate Dancing summit here sometime, but I'm getting ready for da plane.
General comment: I look at this place and, as needed, take out the spam, several times a day, six out of seven days a week. But some of you have a problem as real killjoys. I'm not saying you have to like everything but there is a way of expressing that without throwing punches as much as necessary. To be sure, discussion and criticism leads ultimately to deeper appreciation, but other times it's based on a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Enjoy the Dan and even when you don't have the opportunity leave that as the underlying spirit.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:24:45 ET
Posted by: angel,
I'll be there with bells on, old or new songs!
I'll be the lassie ALL the way in the back of the room, (hopefully) dancing my butt off. :-)
What a beautiful weather change today. Blue sky and clear as a bell here. Nice drive up the coast...you can't beat it. Welcome Dandom, we're gonna rock tomorrow!
...and gee, maybe Walter will have pity on me and bail me out on my bet. ;-)
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:10:10 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" The True Blues are being taken for granted, they don't even acknowledge us, like how about a special, "hello?" Does that seem unreasonable to you? "
Not at all my Steelian Brother .......
.....not at all .
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:09:50 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Damn you guys are starting to sound like NYB.
Next you'll be telling them to write more rock songs and play "Change Of The Guard".
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:04:44 ET
Posted by: Lou Chang, Seattle
I see we're all in agreement. It became most disconcerting for me at a Seattle show this year. At some point, the Don made a comment to the crowd saying "don't you people dance in Seattle?!?" He was visibly perturbed.
SD seems to be playing to the new fan, Budweiser crowd who want to hear loud renditions of MOS, FM, Do It Again, etc. and beat around the ubiquitous concert inflatable beach ball. Since when is SD suppossed to be danced to!?! SD music is ominous, dark and thought provoking not reminiscent of Spring Break. Don and Walt need to remember what brought them here.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 18:01:53 ET
Posted by: hoops, in chicago, getting ready for california
Greg, not talking just about touring...there were other activities leading up to the "walking tour."
See people tomorrow!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:58:18 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, I'll be the one in the black mini
Although the band sounded superb and Donald's voice was stronger than ever and clear as a bell, I would have loved some variation on the setlist. I was looking forward to a Mike-less show, thinking that possibly the show would cater a bit more to the true die hard fans rather than the soccer mom masses. I think the reason I keep coming back has a lot to do with seeing all the other Blue Bookers and having good times with those of my kind. Those are the things I now look forward to when hearing of a new tour date. So although I am expecting to hear more of the same tomorrow night, I am looking forward to seeing the regular Dandom crew roll into Chumash. Nothing is like the get togethers we have, I don't think I've bonded with people the way I have with the Steely group.
It was a great pleasure meeting Cliff, Lutz, and Eric last night. Wish you boys were joining us in Santa Ynez, but I'm sure we'll meet again. I hope you will post more often, too, so we can continue our correspondence.
Safe trip for all heading out tomorrow.........can't wait to see everyone again!!
Live from beautiful Pismo Beach,
G
G
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:53:00 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, deal/no deal
This is exactly why 2003, and to a lesser extent, 2000 were my favorite tour years! They were out there giving us new stuff, but they still had the hitlist songs to keep the casuals interested.
I recall Camden '06, when they unexpectedly started into Pixeleen, my "date" broke into the biggest grin...a few more moments like that would, no doubt, be much appreciated by the heavy rollers amongst us!
But, like our new young friend, whatever pessimism I have pretty much dissipates leading up to show time. I'm gonna see Mistah Steely Dan up close and personal with 40 or 50 of my closest friends! HFS! I may be old and jaded about most things, but this is not one of them!
Oh, and don't kid yourselves, folks. The music is a big part of it, but the camraderie we have established here is equally as exciting and, for that, so many of us are forever grateful.
Kind of like Christmas without the chintzy stuff.....
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:46:00 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, awful, just awful
Rajah is absolutely right. I'd start booing. Anyone here who thinks that we should all be happy that they are at least touring have lost their mind and should go to hell for all I care. I'm considering checking out a cover band.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:43:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Pismo Beach
Thangod we escaped Fresno, man what a dump. It's nice and clear and balmy down here.
I can fully understand a true fan's righteous indignation at their easy choices, I'm feelin y'all.
So what do we do? We could totally disrupt tomorrow night's show, we could ya know. But what would that gain us? Would we get what we want? All that would happen is to piss-off his nibs, Dr. Fagen.
The True Blues are being taken for granted, they don't even acknowledge us, like how about a special, "hello?" Does that seem unreasonable to you?
Or is it our fault for continuing to support them through thick and thin? Shouldn't this loyalty go both ways or am I just being a pouting toad?
How does anyone feel about all of this?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:40:51 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, the legacy is nearing a close
HOOPS said: <<I can't speak for anyone else but I never thought there was any truth to them shooting a DVD, especially after such a long layoff.>>
Yeah, the the layoff between the 96 tour and the Plush shows was insignificant, right?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:34:58 ET
Posted by: Lou Chang, Seattle
Lucky 7 - I totally agree. The last 4 shows I've been to (various locations) lack any sort of energy and/or improvisation. But, alas, I keep going. I think I'm afraid I'm going to miss something. Hence, I'll be at Chumash tomorrow night.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:24:52 ET
Posted by: Lucky 7,
It's not a matter of pleasing the fans or not, it's a matter of expressiveness. Doesn't it seem mundane to them to do the same show night after night? I would think that some of the Vegas acts would feel this way.
The problem is, they've pre-packaged a generic show and they play that show everytime they play. This is not very expressive at all. I think the fans on this board are dissapointed because they want to see them express themselves on stage, rather than just going through the motions of playing each song on the setlist without deviation.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 17:01:31 ET
Posted by: chris , nh
a few things:
1) IMO, the walter vs. donald arguments - at least in the context of "who is bringing down the band more?" - are completley rediculous and borderline trolling. I would guess that after 40 years of working together, one's creativity is not squelshed by the other. basically, i'm saying they both believe that they needed to play the hits to appease the masses.
2) yes, i was wrong about these shows, and so were many others, and we have all acknowledged that - so what's with the gloating? the reaction to your anonymous posts had more to do with the way you tried to negate everyone's excitement about the shows by saying, "well, they're going to suck" months before they took place. we were both predicting outcomes, but you were kind of being a dick about it.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 16:04:32 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
So we pretty much know the set. Maybe there is a slight craving for something that will not be there. Our expensive tickets are in hand, but they seem to become priceless once the show arrives. Pessimism may reside, but it will leave upon arriving at the show. Drink in hand (or rather a flask in the sock) and big smile. Getting drunk and listening to steely live.
I, for one, knowing the setlist am stoked for friday. See you all there.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 14:58:16 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, hoping for some snow?
Was there any new swag at the concerts? Please keep us informed. May be more exciting than the setlits.
Two recent interesting articles on cover bands.
http://folsomtelegraph.com/articles/2007/01/17/news/lifestyle/01bands.txt
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070105/ENTERTAINMENT01/701050305/1005/ENTERTAINMENT
If we want to hear something new or different we may have to resort to going to see them.
So what are the next cities to be announced for the tour?
Atlantic City, one of the Native American casinos in Connecticut, the Native American casino they played in the Pacific NW last year? Where else is noted for gambling and concerts?
Powerball is around $205,000,000.00 this Saturday if you are in a state that participates. Lump sum after taxes still around $60,000,000.00. I could go to all of the concerts then if I win.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 14:50:47 ET
Posted by: Blonde with the Dangerous Do,
Re: Changing the setlist
Lutz, how can you say "It might never happen and it's Fagen's stubbornness and maybe even a little arrogance"?
Did you see any Fagen solo shows? Sure, most of the material was *new* because it was solo stuff, but Fagen's the one that reworked and played "Here at the Western World"! Fagen's the one who brought back one of their best live, and fan-favorite tunes "Third World Man"! Fagen's the one that performed TWO cover songs! And Fagen mixed up the setlist more as the tour went on than Steely Dan does. It seems to me that the common denominator for a stale setlist is BECKER!
I, for one, would much rather have another Fagen tour than Steely Dan!
Bring on Bearsville!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 14:19:44 ET
Posted by: NYB,
Yo Zombie... "Archives" is not NYB.
Right board, wrong demon.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 14:13:58 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SY
I know it does seem disappointing- so let's not get too bummed out and remember we have a new WB album to look forward to...and at least FM wasn't on the list...ooooh but WB on "Hatian" would have been cool to hear again, or "Monkey"...
And LWO might be in animal print, but I might be in a leopard coat, just in case there's confusion...meow
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 13:48:56 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Having said that and with other posters agreeing that they have to play to the “Masses” no one in attendance would have left the room for Pat Sajak’s Bingo Jackpot or whatever if they snug in
The last Mall or Negative Girl.
One would think that it keeps the band sharp as well to mix it up a bit.
Fagen recently mentioned Jagger, I had never seen the Stones in Concert before, but twice in the last 18 months. First show was the expected yawner with all the hits played, the second was at least 60% different - surprisingly bluesy and they were taking chances - in front of 50000 people, not 1200.
The audience did not leave the stadium either - and the Stones are much more hit-oriented than SD.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 13:36:19 ET
Posted by: T-Fab, III, Lexington Avenue
Hello all ~~~
Really . . . what is the point of these shows other than to make some easy money while out West making a money grab in Los Wages playing for a bunch of CBS stiffs?! Add in a few more shows and play the same old line-up from the McMike tour?! Why? This would have been cool had they mixed in a new WB tune or two plus some new DF material. But the same old tired tunes with no new material sprinkled in seems to be a waste. I am glad I opted for a Telluride ski trip with my wife for her b-day instead of trekking out to a few cow towns to hear the same old stuff. Disappointing -- and it takes a lot for me to say that. Come on guys -- play some new tunes and spice up the show!!!!
TF, III
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 13:35:29 ET
Posted by: me, here
I, too, and tired of hearing the stapes at SD shows. But I've probably sent a variation of this email out a half dozen times after somebody invited me to a concert.
Thanks for inviting me out last night to see <insert band name here> Although I've never been a huge fan, I am certainly familiar with their hits and it was good to hear them live.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 13:34:30 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
I enjoyed last night and was impressed with the band.
As far as the set list goes and the length of the show I am with Rajah - we all knew what was coming. At least there was still some time left to put a handle in your hand….
Most of the audience was enthusiastic and you could tell there might only be a few nuts like us - driving from show to show to hopefully catch Wu or Gina.
It might never happen and it’s Fagen’s stubbornness and maybe even a little arrogance. But as I said - I am happy to have seen them play so great yet another time.
It was fun hanging out with Rahaj, Gretchen, Eric, Cliff and Aussie guy last night - have fun in SB!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 13:11:34 ET
Posted by: Lenny,
EB (I mean NY Bill) and Rajah - That's just what I said yesterday before the show ever happened
" Remember people, Don and Walt aren't playing for the twenty people that post on the Bluebook and go to all of the shows. They're playing for the other 2,080 that have never seen them before"
I've see a pattern with this band over the last 14 years and that's why I'm never surprised when it comes to the set list. Why would you people think there was going to be any new songs for these 2 shows?
They had one five hour rehearsal for these gigs. They're only going to re-hash what was played during the Summer. It was pretty clear to me that was going to happen.
I still say out of these series of shows the one to be at is Bearsville. Why you ask? A new band, a new vibe, and a great little venue that holds only 400 people. You fans want something different? Go to Bearsville!
OOPS, it's SOLD OUT!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 12:53:13 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Thanks Rajah
Have a good Pismo Bch day
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 12:38:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I agree EB, one guy who was leaving the show last night was extremely excited and said to his wife, "I knew all of those songs." The faithful will not be rewarded anytime soon, what a shame about us.
No intermission, straight on through, started bang on time and ended the set at 9:30, then MOS after a five minute standing "O." The crowd was very intelligent and appreciative. And Steely Dan was note perfect, no word burgers by Donald, nary a miss anywhere.
I think I'll have a few more drinks before Chumash, I'm thinking this might help...
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 12:26:33 ET
Posted by: Calguy, Cambria
So at Table Mountain did they do two sets or one long set à la the 2006 Fagan Morph tour?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 12:03:00 ET
Posted by: Only a Zombie would care,
Archives(nyb) glad to see you are all grown up and off your meds again
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 11:54:35 ET
Posted by: The Steely Dan, web site
When you read what they put up on the web site it made it seem like they were going to do some new things.A sorta change up.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 11:38:05 ET
Posted by: Review the , Archives
HAHAHA!!! Please go back & re-read the blue archives. I was the one who told ya all waaaaay back when this tour was first announced that it was going to be the same old boring set that they always play, but nooooo, you guys gave me crap, saying they were gonna surprise us all...now go and eat your "Hat Too Flat" hat!!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 11:23:15 ET
Posted by: Wizzy,
"Viva Rock N Roll," "Mis'ry and the Blues," and "Numbers"?
Sure, more shit nobody ever heard of. That should go over real well. Now, do you have anything decent to add to the list or are you going to throw out more loser tunes that will probably have people shaking their heads?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 11:20:04 ET
Posted by: not off to see, the Wiz
You stupid shit. What do you call "Viva Rock N Roll," "Mis'ry and the Blues," and "Numbers?"
Further, if they do any covers, it won't be from anyone but a jazz/blues legend, not the pop losers you mentioned. Crawl back under your smoke machine.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 11:05:47 ET
Posted by: Wiz,
I'd like to hear them do a non-Steely Dan song in concert once in a while. Here's a few songs that they might consider;
"I'll Be Around" - The Spinners
"Stormy" - (who wrote that song again?)
"Tempted" - Squeeze
"Who By Fire?" - Leonard Cohen
"She's Not There" - The Zombies
Nobody says they can't do a few covers in concert right? What other songs should they consider?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:54:27 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
6 albums before 1977 and 8 after (including WB's future release) and they can't find a way to sneak in a single song since the Carter administration.
This is getting really ridiculous. I've already seen this concert. Twice in the last 4 years. I don't need to keep paying 85 bucks a ticket, gas money, hotel money and the like to see a concert that I've already seen before. Throw us a bone, Don. Please.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:50:45 ET
Posted by: EB,
Well yeah, but to understand the setlist you have to understand the mind of Donald Fagen. Fagen feels that he has to deliver the same perfectionism as was displayed in the original recording. Have you ever seen Fagen start a number in concert only to stop it or to follow it up with a comment like "Well, we're still working on it"? The only way Donald will perform a song is if it's done absolutely perfectly. He's neurotic about things like that. So he has a list of songs that have been well rehearsed, and the the likelihood of making a "mistake" is very small. He feels comfortable with that. He wants to perform in a controlled environment.
Donald has to begin to realize that the stage is not the studio. It's okay to deviate from the script once in a while, even if it means making a mistake or looking silly in the eyes of the audience. Still, I think he tried this on his solo tour with whats-her-name and it didn't go over too well. When things like that happen it makes him want to fall back on the tried-and-true setlist that he's always relied on.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:27:41 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Hopefully they'll change things up a bit for the Hard Rock show in Orlando...but I'm now doubtful about that.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:26:37 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work
If you didn't get them -it's too late. From the Poughkeepsie Journal yesterday
"Tickets are sold out for Donald Fagen of Steely Dan, Phoebe Snow and the band Ollabelle at the Bearsville Theater in Woodstock Feb. 2-3.
Ollabelle, which includes Amy Helm, daughter of former Band drummer Levon Helm, will open these shows, then serve as backing band for Fagen and Snow. Fagen will be performing Steely Dan songs."
I'm starting to really look forward to these two nights.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:08:13 ET
Posted by: FDumb guy,
Page 6 pic also shows WB
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 10:06:36 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Your probably right EB. Although 10 to 12 is way low and there are a lot of hardcore fans out there that aren't even involved with this site that go to the concerts. It's a Catch 22. I think of all my favorite bands from the 70's era and not many did I really try to understand the depth of the music, except SD. And my friends all know I'm a SD fanatic and I get plenty of quizzical looks about it too. Only a few actually "get it", and that took some educatin on my part. I.E., 99% from our era know Do It Again and maybe 5% have heard Wu. It would seem to me though that SD would help there record sales for the 5% if they played just a little bit of there new material or non 70's hits.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 09:56:23 ET
Posted by: ugh,
I totally agree with what was just said. It's not that hard. And I think they could have done 2 sets also. They have in the past, and it's not hurting the audience any.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 09:53:55 ET
Posted by: Aerial View, Somewhere up there
Well, I for one understand the need to play to the masses, i.e. the majority of folks who know the SD "oldies" hits and that's it.
The thing is though, I can remember a different day long gone in radio when I would actually hear some deeper album cuts. I mean, I know for a fact that back in the day I heard "Doctor Wu" and "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" once or twice coming out of that magical box. And not just on a special program featuring Steely Dan either.
I think good hardcore fans would probably be OK with hearing FM every time if they'd mix in a couple others along the lines of "Doctor Wu," "Midnight Cruiser," and/or "Turn that Heartbeat Over Again" here and there. Or throw in a couple solo items (one for Don, one for Walt). Or an occasional "oddity" ("Century's End," "Confide In Me," maybe even an admired cover tune like "Mis'ry and the Blues" or "Viva Viva RnR"). And they wouldn't have to be straight out-of-the-box original versions either---they could jazz'em up to suit their still-evolving (some might say "maturing") style so as to keep it interesting for them musically (a la "Western World" on the DF Morph tour).
I know I was disappointed when in 2003 they played "Pixeleen" a few times early on and then stopped doing it. But I was absolutely thrilled that for the 2006 show that I happened to attend they dusted off "Pixie" when they hadn't been doing it on the McSugar tour to that point. They could've played "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" or "I'm a little Teapot Short and Stout" [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_a_Little_Teapot ] after that and I wouldn't have minded.
Maybe that's just me. But it seems like it would be a reasonable compromise---say 15-17 classic Dan tunes, plus 2-3 sweet treats and surprises. And maybe as a result some of those mass casual fans would actually start to explore the old albums (again?) or even (God forbid) the new millennium Titanium Dan instead of just remembering the radio hits.
...just my 3 cents.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 09:43:40 ET
Posted by: Reading Page Six, home
The New York Post is reporting a Donald Fagen sighting in NYC???
Add that to his many talents ...the ability to be in two places at the same time. http://www.nypost.com/seven/01182007/gossip/pagesix/sightings_pagesix_.htm
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 08:52:58 ET
Posted by: EB,
Yes but Raj, here's the most important question...
How many people in the crowd actually visit this board? Ten? Twelve? The point is, the vast majority of the audience have never seen SD before, and for them it wasn't a disappointment at all. SD has to play to the crowd in general, not the hardcore fans that follow them from show to show. Of course you want to hear the lesser known stuff, but if they did that would the general audience get it? Would John Q. Public really get "Janie Runaway" or "Teahouse On The Tracks"? Of course not. Your loyalty to the band is admirable, but you've still gotta understand the realities of playing to the general public too. SD's hands are tied in some respects when they tour, because the general public mostly wants to hear their greatest hits, and they're buying most of the tickets not the people on this board.
EB
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 07:46:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thats truthiness sorry
See you there Jas
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 07:41:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Hey truthful
Yeah, I was wrong but I had hope and stayed positive and am not all that bummed out. I get to go see Steely Dan Live tomorrow night and hear FM one more time and I'm exicted
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 07:33:23 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, soon to be chumash
Glad to see I'm not the only one awake at this hour on the west coast. See you tomorrow Craig.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 07:28:05 ET
Posted by: Please Please Please, throw something different into the setlist
17th SD concert and maybe my last.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 07:26:16 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks Rajah, Aussie guy
A corporate gig it is. OFW, it's Steely Dan, the best music to be had any where.
Looking forward to a great evening with SD and you guys.
A guy couldn't have it any better.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 04:40:25 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/?cat=6
dr Wu's been to New York and was so kind to share some of his pictures with us, see link above. Anyone into the music of Eumir Deodato? He looks so young!
Steve Gadd, Wayne Krantz, Joe Sample etc.
re: Steely Dan 2007 tour.
really have to respect the professionality of the musicians involved, including DF and WB, to be playing their music over and over again. it's what they do, right?
cheers,
Gina
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 04:07:39 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, UK Dandom on Trent
Fellow Dandomees … This may have been discussed already BUT I just took delivery of a new pre delivery EP from the one and only Elliott Randall – You know what ? He still go it …
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still reelin' concept: The making of this EP CD has been a musical journey lasting a half dozen years [...and what a long strange trip it's been] - I started the 'roadmap' for my new interpretation of REELIN' before the turn of the century. I've always heard a 'different spin' on this great tune - from the moment Donald and Walter played me the unfinished track, I heard the 2 harmony guitars in the interludes, knowing that one day I'd interpret those phrases using the Celtic instruments they were meant for. My quest took me to Bill Whelan (composer of Riverdance), who introduced some of Ireland's finest trad players to the mix. And finally, here it is.
I recruited my bandmates Bernard Purdie and Chuck Rainey from the 'Royal Scam' LP - I grew up with them in the studios, and just knew that they were the perfect players for this track. I traveled a lot in the process of putting all these fine musicians together - New York for Purdie and Marc Quiñones, Texas for Rainey, Ireland for some of the wonderful Celtic playing, London for the brilliantly subtle piano of Wayne Brown and the dulcet tones of Hamish Stuart... and finally to the great North of England for the topping - Tasmin Archer singing lead.
I finally feel that my 'painting' of an already great song is complete, and it gives me great pleasure to share it with you.
MANHATTAN ATTITUDE and WINDOW are 2 very differing instrumental visions of mine, very different moods, and some lovely musical interactions.
We end this mini-trip paying tribute to Bill Withers' tune, which was written to leave a smile of the face of the listener. LOVELY DAY gets a fresh vocal makeover courtesy of JAG (not to mention loads of subtle ER ol' school synthesis as the piece builds)...
Available now from http://www.elliott-randall.com/cd.htm
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 03:52:53 ET
Posted by: duncan,
thanks Rajah
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 03:27:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Fresno
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
I'd like to tell you they played Wu or Gaucho or anything from TvN, EMG. But I can't. Here's the awful truth:
Turtle Time
Bodhi
TOOM
Aja
Home at Last
Josey
Green Earrings
Hey 19
Dirty Work
Do It Again
Babylon Sisters
Peg
Kid C
MOS
Last Tango
This is their corporate/casino show. Get used to it. They performed brilliantly, flawlessly even, Donald sounded great, the sound in the room was great, Walter was very involved and soloed without missing.
I'd say I was disappointed but I can't cause I knew what was going to be offered tonight.
Table Mountain is 16 miles from Fresno. The longest 16 miles you could ever imagine, what a godforsaken spot.
Walter was very complimentary of the crowd, the crowd was attentive and appreciative, no yelling, no standing up during the show, clapped for solos in all the right places. That's probably cause everyone was so sober.
Walter did a very nice patter on Hey 19, something like, "say if you were stranded in the middle of the desert, nothing to eat nothing to drink, you're with some guy named Todd or Steve or something, if you had water you'd just piss it out anyway, what you need is a nice cold beer or glass of wine, maybe something even stronger than that, you need a drink like what's that stuff called?"
Walt called us "the wonderful ones" and intimated that because of the obscurity of the venue perhaps just the best fans showed up.
Now we paid 75 bucks tops for this here show. I paid 175 for Friday and I'm praying they give us a little more than what you see above. I'm hoping, but I'm not expecting...
Great company with Eric, Lutz and Cliff at Sheri's Roadhouse. It had a gas station attached to it. It was dark and scary at the pump, no lights. And we froze our ass off.
More later.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:55:14 ET
Posted by: truthiness oops, x
sorry chris, meant Craig
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:54:08 ET
Posted by: truthiness hurts, all over
back again, waiting to see the posts from the show confirming what I posted before, These casino gigs want/limit sets to 75 mins or so. ONE set. WILL be the same on Friday. Chris, would you like to insist again otherwise? It is hard to give this crew actual information ...oh well.
and no dvd was ever planned.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:31:41 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, wu-ing
And animal print...lighted dice....party favors extraordinaire....did I tell you about my Steely daughter(s)?
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:19:41 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
Thanks for the welcome
I intend to visit often. I guess I will keep an eye out for someone with a sign!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:11:40 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, packing
Toad, welcome to Dandom! Your life will never be the same! And I absatively guarantee your life will never be the same if you bring that young woman with you Friday night! Raj may adopt you....he's rich by the way!
Must admit no surprises is not what I wanted to hear. Oh well, I'm bringing the sign anyway. Whoever buys hoopsie's seat is in for one fun night since some of the loyal crew will be next door. (Was it something that we said, hoops?)
Starting to tingle....back to the suitcase from hell!
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:10:14 ET
Posted by: Toad, SLO
Ok, then you got the east coast covered and I got the west
Hah. I love some of the questions in the parking lot. Everytime the elders want to know how I got into Dan. Like I was just randomly there with some free ticket, lost, looking for some pathetically incompetent music show, which of course is the opposite of any dan show.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 02:06:50 ET
Posted by: Young One,
Nope, I'm 18 :). I'll be seeing them in Orlando this time around, and saw them at age 17 on the Sugartooth McDan show (wait, maybe I was 18).
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 01:46:44 ET
Posted by: Toad, San Luis Obispo
Hey all,
Been to many of the concerts you talk about here and have never really looked for a fanbase for SD until now. Anyway, I agree with all who said sobboba was the best show. We were front row and the woman we were with hopped on stage and got taken away. Hopefully we can be accredited for the "drunkenness" of that show, as that is always our priority.
Anyway, hitting Chumash this Friday, I will be seeing you and not knowing it. It's funny, I am the youngest at every show, so you'll notice me. First saw them in 00 at 14 and now I'm 20 and seeing them and still the youngest everytime.
Cheers and see you there
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 01:44:20 ET
Posted by: Across the Pacific in AU, Shellharbour
SPOILER
SPOILER
I just got off the phone with Alan, Rajah and Gretchen, the show is over, and unfortunately, no surprises. Basically the same as the summer tour. They said the band sounded really good - but nothing new.
I am sure they will post all the details later, but just a quick update......
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 00:32:37 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Luckless, yes, and they played it during the 06 tour as well.
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 00:21:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, in chicago, getting ready for california
Heck, how's this for a concept: The "One Bar" tour. They play one bar from every song on all the official SD releases. Hey, sounded cute when it popped in my head. Oh well.
jim
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 00:14:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, in chicago, getting ready for california
Due to odd circumstances, I have an extra ticket for Friday's show. Section A, Row J, Seat 31. Face Value.
Email me at hoops AT dandom DOT com
jim
(Thanks for ignoring the spam...not in a position where I can remove that item below.)
Date: Thurs, January 18, 2007, 00:14:10 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, Paris
Didn't they play Home at Last on the 2003 tour?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 23:52:24 ET
Posted by: Josh, OC
Thanks AGNG!!!! Happy belated 53rd to you. They say 30 is the new 20...we shall see. I am pretty excited for this show as I caught them in Irvine and Vegas and Fagan in Temecula in March.
Do they ever do Midnite Cruiser live?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 23:45:52 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, Paris (Texas)
Nice!
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 23:35:12 ET
Posted by: Hearing Friant in AU, Shellharbour
SPOILER........
I don't know if this is the first song or not, but I am sitting at my desk in Australia listening to Steely Dan playing Home at Last (on a rather dodgy mobile connection) at Table Mountain Casino - just imagine the cell phone bill!
The crowd is now going wild.........
That is all I get for now, but it sounds like the crew is enjoying it!
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 22:29:56 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Chan Buddy!!! Wish you were gonna be here. I'll try to tap into the energy, and send a little your way. Feel it!
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 22:26:49 ET
Posted by: Chan, On the wrong coast
To all my friends lucky enough to be on the left coast tonite and Friday nite. Enjoy the shows and send in your reports.
As for me, "I'll close my eyes and I'll be there" with you.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 22:26:10 ET
Posted by: Nooooo,,
There will NEVER be another Soboba.
THERE was where they should have made the DVD!
And some of us had seen it coming.
They have used a few of the ideas from the Blue, I can tell.
Such as rehearsing WU. Using Walt lead vocal on Monkey. Pixeleen @Scranton.
They might pay greater heed in the future from the "20" fans on the Blue.
They represent the sorts of things that Steely fans of this longevity
would like to see at the shows.
Which is not as Rajah once said to go see FM played for the 15th time.
It gets old.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 22:11:21 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Happy 30th Birthday, Josh! I just had my 53rd a few days ago. Hope that year 30 is as good for you as it was for me!
Don’t care what they’re gettin’ paid,
What exactly’s gonna get played,
Or even who’s gonna get laid!
I have never had the chance to see Don and Walt in such an intimate setting, and Chumash is supposed to have a great sound system, so sheee-it, I’m off to the races, with no preconceived notions, and a huge smile on my face.
I’ll be heading down the coast tomorrow, stopping often to watch the Grey Whale migration. Saw one breach yesterday about 2 miles from my home; he jumped exuberantly; I saw almost his entire body out of the water. He came back down with a huge splash. ‘Tis the season, and it is happening right now, big time. Makes for a killer road-trip!
Sometimes, you get out of it what you put into it. Hope everyone in Friant has a spectacular time tonite! And I’ll be shakin' it up with some of you, on Friday night, at The Steely Dan Show ; )
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 22:07:50 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Will be interested to hear if Walter does any new material at Friant...
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 21:51:16 ET
Posted by: Josh, OC
Hou I agree with you....this concert will be like Soboba in 2006. Hopefully a nice mix of the standrd fare and some of the rarieties not usually played.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 21:24:06 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I'm may be wrong, but I'm not sure a corporate gig pays anymore than a casino gig. And one corporate gig and two casino gigs still doesn't make sense from a monetary standpoint for a 10 piece band traveling across country. Originally, I had no desire to catch either one of these two casino shows because I figured it would be the same setlist as the previous summer. But, I thought hearing Steely Dan in a 1300 seat venue might be something special, regardless of what is played. So I'll be there Friday night.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 20:11:11 ET
Posted by: Who is at the fest?,
Bobbo make it? LWO? Lurker?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 20:04:46 ET
Posted by: Back Scratch Fever,
They are at the bar! Let the party begin
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:58:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
It will be two sets
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:58:02 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
It will two sets
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:50:22 ET
Posted by: angel,
I knew you wouldn't let me down, Rajah. :-)
Have a great show!
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:46:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
We got here, what a trek. I swear we saw the tour buses on the 58.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:15:36 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Josh, from what I remember talk of the DVD was pure speculation from fans trying to figure out why the hell they flew a 10 peice band across the country for two random dates. Now we know it was most likely because of the corporate gig, so a dvd seems unlikely - although I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong!
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:11:26 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Josh --
Have a great birthday and do enjoy the show.
Really, a commercial DVD is not going to happen from these two shows. Wish there was though. Heck, wish there was going to be two sets.
jim
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 19:04:30 ET
Posted by: Josh, OC
I do remember in regards to a possible DVD shoot someone or a group or someones pointing out that there are many similarities between the Chumash and Table Top venues and the ticket prices seemed very high, well at least for Chumash. They were comparing this to the DVD they shot in NY, playing two nights at the same venue...etc..
I am hoping for the best, its my 30th birthday and I can't think of a better present.
Leonard as for your assetion they will play for 75 minutes...I do think you are wrong. They will at least play for 90 minutes...why would they want to jip us?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 18:50:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Thanks for calling, Josh. I was thinking the same thing but wasn't sure who to call. I was hoping for a double set like the two 2006 casino shows which I didn't get to see. I enjoyed seeing Michael McDonald the shows last year, but I never felt fully satisified with last year's usually single, although slightly longer, setlist. That was probably my only complaint with both the Fagen and SD shows last year. I was hoping that would be addressed this time.
I can't speak for anyone else but I never thought there was any truth to them shooting a DVD, especially after such a long layoff.
Veee Shahl Seee!
THANKS!
jim
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 18:45:34 ET
Posted by: Critic grabs us, north central southern US
The one thing I've read over the years that probably pinpoints what made me an obsessed fan is when a writer said that Steely Dan has music in places where other bands just have voids. Well, those voids showed up on EMG and MTC. I don't know if it's Carlock's drumming or what, but I'd rather they not record anymore than to release more fodder of that caliber.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 18:41:29 ET
Posted by: Lenny,
Chris,
You'll see. A 75 minute set with nothing new.
Remember people, Don and Walt aren't playing for the twenty people that post on the Bluebook and go to all of the shows. They're playing for the other 2,080 that have never seen them before.
The Bearsville show will kick ass on both of these shows.
I never heard a rumor about a DVD. Either way, why would they do a DVD from an Indian Casino that nobody has ever heard of?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 18:20:19 ET
Posted by: Josh, OC
I just called Chumash to ask if they knew how long the show would be and the person on the other end said they "usually" last an hour and a half but the bands dictate how long they want to play.....
Whatever happened to the rumors floating around here that the Dan was possibly shooting a DVD thus the two dates in Friant and Mash and the similarities between the two venues...did this rumor have any legs?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 16:47:00 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, some people...
<<Sorry, it will be a SHORTER set. LV was 90 mins. The casinos only want/give 75.>>
Um... Mohegan Sun 2003 was a full show I recall. Not to mention Borgata 2006 etc etc etc. GET LOST.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 16:11:30 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Lenny, a five hour rehersal with the exact same band rehersing the exact same songs they played every night for two months in a row for two shows less than four months after their last gig? Come on.
I think the structure will remain somewhat similar, but I'd bet there will be two sets, and at least 5 songs we didn't hear/rarely heard over the summer.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 16:09:48 ET
Posted by: truthiness hurts, all over
Sorry, it will be a SHORTER set. LV was 90 mins. The casinos only want/give 75.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 15:54:53 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, no
I'm with Angel. There will be a longer and different set than Vegas.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 15:54:51 ET
Posted by: Alkali, far north of Muswell brook
G’day all,
The wife and I are up from down under.
I’ve been trying to plow through my e-mails as quickly as possible all morning, I thought I deserved a break so I thought I’d check out the Blue for a while, the shows out west sound same ol’, same ol’ set list wise but I still wish I was there.
We had a great time in Tahiti the weather was perfect, the native women beautiful (Gauguin knew what he was doing) but the music scene leaves a great deal to be desired; one can take only so much of Piaf and Ukulele’s!
Thankfully I had my trusty I pod™ wit me, by the way, I think there’s something to that claim about I pod™ ‘s proclivity for cool, on more than a couple of occasions I picked random play on the thing and was rewarded with an array of hipster’s like Fitzgerald, Miles, Monk, Joe Jackson and the Dan.
Yea, Tahiti was nice enough to warrant a revisit one of these years, the only draw back to the island is of course the influx of French types.
Australia was nice too, the music scene was interesting the clubs that we went to featured local groups made up of mainly cover bands, radio friendly bubblegum pop and a disproportionate number of punk bands, we did manage to see Allan Browne’s jazz ensemble at the Victoria jazz club, pretty good stuff but very traditional.
On a late Saturday night we went to a pub for a night cap and were approached by a couple of guys who obviously over heard our American accents, asking us about rap and who our favorite rappers were, I told them that not all Americans are into Rap, they seemed oblivious to the comment and commenced to rapping some odd “Ice cube” song to us while doing an even poorer job of not spilling there pints.
Drunken white people rapping just ain’t cool.
Anyway, it’s good to be back.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 15:51:09 ET
Posted by: Lenny,
Angel - Did it ever occur to you that the reason they did a five hour rehearsal was because it was the first rehearsal that they had since the St.Louis show in early September? With this being the case it's even less of a chance that you'll hear any old/new songs. And as far as hearing a new Becker song? I hate to be the bearer of bad news but FORGET IT! See you in Chumash with my hopes not up.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 15:15:21 ET
Posted by: DWB, Bishtro
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.steelydan.com
Anyone know or remember Stephen Bishop? singer-songwriter... he's about to release a new album, 30 years after his golden debut abum Careless (On and On, Save it For a Rainy Day).
Where Donald Fagen decided to abandon his idea of some Latin flavor, Stephen Bishop continued his journey into realms he's been before, but never for an entire album. Saudade will be its title. What has this gotto do with Steely Dan?
Well, Bish drew from the same pool of session musicians back then, for his albums... Larry Carlton, Jim Gordon, John Guerin, Victor Feldman, Don Grolnick, Warren Bernhardt etc etc etc.
And in his forum I found this neat tool, most of what is out there on the net is archived...
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.steelydan.com
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dandom.com
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.stephenbishop.com
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.georgebush.com
etc etc
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 15:13:16 ET
Posted by: angel,
KD Wrote: "It pays for the players on the Next One ... It pays for the players on the Next One ... It pays for the players on the Next One ..."
Amen, Brother
--
Jimmy...I'll take that bet. :-)
5 hours to rehearse those "same old chestnuts"? You've gotta be kiddin' me! Nothing New?
My prediction is... 2 Walter tunes. Why not try something out on us. It's only a small crowd and the comped people won't know a SD tune if they fell over it. You can't get a better place to do it.
That's it for me. 9 hours to go, til we know for sure.... Rajah, don't let us down. :-)
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 14:37:37 ET
Posted by: Jimmy , The Greek
Angel,
Wanna bet you'll see the same setlist in Cal as you did for the Corp gig in Vegas? How much?
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 14:35:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
...and sings 5 from his new CD with short hair
Way to be positive Angel
See you soon
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 14:32:54 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
BTW, on SD.com, the front page is coming up, but the '07 tour page is all white and is not updating. Maybe some new announcements coming on opening day? I hope it's something cool.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 14:24:56 ET
Posted by: angel,
Told Ya: "What'd I say? Told you guys that'd play the same ole list of songs."
Yeah, I expected that for the NAPTE "Steely Who" crowd. Tonight will be the real test.
In good omens, Walter has short hair! Step up to the mike Walter... :-)
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 12:36:19 ET
Posted by: Told Ya , So!
What'd I say? Told you guys that'd play the same ole list of songs.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 12:30:40 ET
Posted by: CHUMASH ,
Hope you new tires for the El Camino instead of those "may pops"
Be safe
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 12:23:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah, neither snow nor sleet...
CLOSED????? Fuck me sideways, now I gotta go thru Oxnard!!!!!
Thanks Ray, oh shit man, I gotta get my ass in gear...
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 12:08:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Leaving Malibu Now
Friant via LA Travelers!
GRAPEVINE IS CLOSED BECAUSE OF SNOW!!!!!
Muther-F! It's been clear all week.
Guess I'll have to take the long way.
Chains are not even allowed it's that bad.
Snowbound, but I won't stay in today!
See you all in Friant.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 11:45:21 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Hey Rajah
Was the Band playing Last Tango when DF and WB left the stage at the Soboba? Have a safe trip.
Thanks
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 10:20:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah, packin up
Let's accept for a moment that 2nd Arr was inadvertently erased or recorded over by some numb-nuts, which is sort of tantamount to, say, a surgeon leaving a scalpel in your gut after an appendectomy. We do know that sort of stuff does happens. What I do not buy is that they couldn't record it again to their satisfaction. Maybe the Gaucho sessions were devolving so fast that they packed it in to retain sanity, money issues, personal issues, frustration, superstition, paranoid ideation, pick one. We do know there's a shadow Gaucho out there, we have the outtakes and they're pretty darn good.
I also can't imagine that the master for one side of AJA has been purloined or lost. That's like losing the winning Lotto ticket, dropping the Birthday cake.
But I also don't believe in Bigfoot or the Tooth Fairy so what do I know...
Nice setlist, Zoomtv, longer than I expected. Walter with short hair? That is a bold fashion statement, I think I'll shave my head again.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 09:59:47 ET
Posted by: Lucky 7,
SD played Vegas last night? I don't see it on the schedule. Hmm... must've negotiated that date in the gas station parking lot on their way to Friant.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 09:24:34 ET
Posted by: b, c
Just a thought.
I downloaded the 15-20 second real version of Second Arrangement years ago when it was still available for download (no idea why it was taken down). It begins with two quick snare hits and then, I believe, a high-hat before the chords & arrangement come in. It did sound much different than the outtakes in circulation everywhere. My feeling is that somebody has the actual thing, be it a mystery person (perhaps the engineer copied it for himself and then recorded over the track just so he could be the only person who could claim ownership) or Don & Walt have the real thing. What's curious is this: who had access to the clip from the original in the first place? More precisely, HOW did he get access? It's truly puzzling.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 09:22:59 ET
Posted by: a, b
Just a thought.
I downloaded the 15-20 second real version of Second Arrangement years ago when it was still available for download (no idea why it was taken down). It begins with two quick snare hits and then, I believe, a high-hat before the chords & arrangement come in. It did sound much different than the outtakes in circulation everywhere. My feeling is that somebody has the actual thing, be it a mystery person (perhaps the engineer copied it for himself and then recorded over the track just so he could be the only person who could claim ownership) or Don & Walt have the real thing. What's curious is this: who had access to the clip from the original in the first place? More precisely, HOW did he get access? It's truly puzzling.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 09:16:10 ET
Posted by: a, b
Just a thought.
I downloaded the 15-20 second real version of Second Arrangement years ago when it was still available for download (no idea why it was taken down). It begins with two quick snare hits and then, I believe, a high-hat before the chords & arrangement come in. It did sound much different than the outtakes in circulation everywhere. My feeling is that somebody has the actual thing, be it a mystery person (perhaps the engineer copied it for himself and then recorded over the track just so he could be the only person who could claim ownership) or Don & Walt have the real thing. What's curious is this: who had access to the clip from the original in the first place? More precisely, HOW did he get access? It's truly puzzling.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 08:06:33 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hey Lester
Walter did Monkey in your Soul at the Soboba did you mention it was HOT.. 116 at 2PM. We could use alittle of that this morning.
Have a safe trip
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 02:47:21 ET
Posted by: KD, Blues Beach
It pays for the players on the Next One ... It pays for the players on the Next One ... It pays for the players on the Next One ...
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 02:32:38 ET
Posted by: zoomlv, las wages
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
If you don't want to know what was played in Vegas tonight then TURN AWAY!
Steely Dan
January 16, 2007
CBS Television Distribution NATPE Event
Four Season Hotel Las Vegas, NV
Turtle Talk
Bodhisattva
Time Out Of Mind
Aja
Home At Last
Hey 19 ( Walter does the Cuervo Bit )
Josie
Chain Lightning
Green Earrings
Dirty Work
Do It Again
Peg
Deacon Blues
Reelin In the Years
Kid Charlamagne
Pretzel Logic
My Old School
Last Tango In Paris
Great show, watched from the wings.....Donald in lime green t shirt dark shades and sports coat....senor cool....Walter in short hair smokin guitar!
zoomlv
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 02:23:34 ET
Posted by: Moray Eel,
I hate you, Jive.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 00:57:10 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
Addendum: Jeez, I'd forgotten just how many big names they actually did pull in last year. Jason Mraz, Teddy Geiger, Skynyrd, Ashlee Simpson, Fiona Apple, Michael Bolton, Bruce Hornsby, Carrie Underwood, Family Stone...
Definitely the biggest year they've had. If ever they could get the Dan, I'd think they could get it now, especially with the timing being so perfect.
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 00:53:11 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
Lawgator,
Ok, I go to UF now for undergrad.
I missed Sunfest last year, was gonna go for Skynyrd but ultimately decided not to since...well, they're all dead. Went two years ago to Steve Miller Band. I actually played at SunFest some seven years ago with my middle school jazz band. I'd flip my wig if they played at SunFest. I think last year was actually probably some of the biggest names the organizers have pulled in so far (though I didn't really like any of them).
Date: Wed, January 17, 2007, 00:46:52 ET
Posted by: LESTER, MNT TOPS
The boys did a couple of shows last summer without Michael McDonald. At Soboba/San Jacinto... they did two unbelievable SWEATY sets... here is my post from the next day.....
Sobaba Set List...
Turtle Talk
Steely Dan Show
Time Out of Mind
Aja
I Got The News
Hey, 19
Cousin Dupree
Josie
Any World that you're Welcome to (Jeff Young Sang it... good singer)
Glamour Profession
Black Friday
Bodhisattva
Break
Green Earrings (Girls Sing it)
Walter Tune (somebody help me on this one!)
Show Biz Kids
Black Cow
Do it again
Dirty Work (Girls)
Peg
Don't Take me Alive
Kid Charlemagne
Encore and Go Go Dancer Audition and Mosh Pit simulation
FM
My Old School
UNBELIEVABLE! Never heard them play or sound Better... Donald Really Stong... Both of them having a LOT of Fun apparently.
The Fans jumping on the stage really surprised everybody I think... you know, I don't think they expect to need a lot of burly-body security at their shows... Wow, a lot of the "kids" were really drunk!
But what a show! The next night in Vegas was extremely tame by any standard much less compared to Friday at Sobaba...
Did I say it was hot?? Wow... it had been about 112 in town that afternoon... still 100 at show time... at midnight after the show... still 95 degrees in the Parking lot...
and yes, there was Gas in Car!
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 23:24:52 ET
Posted by: setlist,
Hmm, I think I'm a bit out of the loop. I lurk here every now and then and I guess I missed the big news. Can someone explain to me this "corporate gig" deal?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:52:28 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
OK, thanks, L Ray...see you
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:52:04 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan,
Twenty four hours from now we will be listening to the best music of all time. I cannot wait. See you all tomorrow. Thanks Hoops.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:50:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu - Waiting on the dryer
Oh and Zoom, YOU ROCK!
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:48:02 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - adding the softner
Denise,
Saratoga 1993 is a sublime Steely boot.
Steely Dan
Saratoga Performance Art Center
Saratoga, NY
August 22, 1993
Recorded from the soundboard. Don't
use Barnes & Nobody. Use Amazon's "New
& Used" They are private sellers through
Amazon and you WILL SAVE a lot of money.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:47:51 ET
Posted by: zoomlv, las wages
Since this is a corporate gig there is no intermission. They are gonna play about 90 minutes or so. I know Donald said they would not play Show Biz Kids. But he mentioned the usual suspects, Aja, Dirty Work, Peg, Kid C, Home At last. no Don't Take Me Alive.
Walter sang Haitian in rehearsal. Gotta go...........
zoomlv
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:34:03 ET
Posted by: Caig B,
Rajah
What time are you heading out ?
Thanks Zoom
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:33:04 ET
Posted by: Denise, counting down
L Ray, who/what is Saratoga Soundboard? I am starting a list of all the music people are recommending here on the blue, Mickael Brecker is in it from this week. Big order going in to Barnes & Noble when I get back.
Sounds like a party weekend coming up...
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:32:49 ET
Posted by: setlists?,
Zoom, you said the setlist will be similar to the Sugartooth tour, but since Dan is touring alone, shouldn't they be playing many more tunes?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:26:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrrr
Thanks Denise.
May you and your hubby have a
safe journey. Listening to
the Saratoga Soundboard from 93
while doing laundry. It's going
to be 3 great days! And I have
tickets for Donavon & David Lynch
at the Kodak in LA on Sunday!
Weird double bill huh?!
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:08:56 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Thanks so much, zoomlv. Please post the setlist, but also, please start it off with a SPOILER heading, as some folks (not I) would rather not want to know what was played. Thanks!
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:07:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Lurker Ray, have a safe trip and a great time in Friant...looking forward to hearing about it at Chumash danfest.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 22:01:54 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Friant bound
Thanks Zoom!
I'm wondering who's singing
"Haitain", Donald or Walter?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 21:51:03 ET
Posted by: zoomlv, las wages
Just left the last rehearsal, they rehearsed, Pretzel Logic,Deacon Blues,Bodhisatva, Green Earrings & Haitian Divorce. Donald went over the setlist very fast, to fast to write down, but its similar to the Sugartooth tour. Showtime at 9pm. Its in a ballroom not a music venue since there is no music venue at the FS, small room maybe seats 400.... very posh. I'll be back before showtime.
Will post setlist later tonight or in the morning.
zoomlv
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 21:09:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Rajah has been a nickname of mine since college when I used to pretend to be a seer, soothsayer and stoned-out Tarot reader. Imagine my surprise when Steely Dan used it in Godwhacker. I will not be wearing a Turban, alas, this headgear has become a sartorial non starter since a few years ago. Look for a green pork-pie hat adorning a charismatic older, hair-challenged gentleman accompanied by a lanky, blonde, bob-haired lady and a sturdy Australian with a powerful thirst for the hops.
BTW, I called 4 Seasons Hotel in Vegas, they have no venue for music. Of course that doesn't mean they're not playing a Conference Room. But the guy at Mandalay Bay would not deny there was a private concert for NAPTE at nine.
Hunh, let's hope Zoomtv comes thorugh later tonight...we're waiting on tenderhooks...
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 21:04:12 ET
Posted by: What?, You don't have a black leather one?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 21:03:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrr but sunny!
So it's a Steely Dan Show tonight
in Vegas huh! Lucky dogs.
Break a leg all. Or as they say in
Vegas, "You better break a leg tonight
or we will break both legs tomorrow".
Here are are my favorite two intros
for tonight from Raj & Milo:
Rajah
"Ladies and Gentlemen, strait outta Compton and fresh as a pair of Brothas outta surgery, here they are, two of the biggest TV stars of the 70s, you'll remember them as the neighbors down the hall from George and Weezie Jefferson, on the scene like a sex machine, booyaa-kaasha, it's STEELY DAN!!!!!!"
Milo
"Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen. For nearly 35 years their songs have had more cryptic messages than an episode of CSI. And like many in the room tonight, they once worked for ABC, switched to the WB, but now "off the record" they are "entertaining options". Ladies and Gentleman Mr. Steely Dan and whatever."
I'm going to take the Grapevine tomorrow
it's been clear and will save a lot of time.
Cause I heard about the Grapevine
Oh won't you stay clear and be kind
I.......
Chain Chain Chains
Chains for the fool.
Stop it.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 21:01:39 ET
Posted by: All Alone, in Shellharbour, AU
Just an update that the official Aussie representative for the kick off of the Heavy Rollers 07 tour has left the country.......or has at least boarded the plane.
You all take good care of my Aussie bloke, and send him back home to me safe and sound........and at least semi-sober.
Enjoy the shows and the Danfests, and I'll be watching the Blue for a report on activities.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 20:59:19 ET
Posted by: A turban??, at a biker bar in rural Cali?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 20:35:50 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Raj, I agree it's probably safe to assume it was a dose Sugartooth Lite in LV, just the same this is one of those days where I land firmly in the school of thought that ignorance is bliss. After tomorrow, all bets are off. See ya at the Roadhouse. You'll be the guy in the turban, right?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 19:01:41 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
Jive,
I am hoping they are going to announce a gig at Sunfest, down in West Palm Beach. That runs the week prior to the Orlando show (actually through the weekend before). Huge opportunity for them and they'd make a terrific headliner for the four days of music, booze, and art.
Went to UF. BS in Journalism '86 and JD in '95. The years in between are a blur.
LG
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 18:39:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Ah ha...
Thank you Zoomtv!
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 18:30:27 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogota
lawgator:
Count me in for an Orlando DanFest!
I think they're going to play places they "missed" on the last tour - they went to Tampa but not Orlando so they're hitting it this time. I'd expect another date in Florida to be Miami or Sound Advice Amphitheater, since they didn't play either last tour.
P.S. - Do you go to UF?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 18:18:04 ET
Posted by: zoomlv, las wages
Tonight.........las vegas......9pm.....Four seasons Hotel....
will post setlist tomorrow if I get in....the guys rehearsed for 5 hours yesterday.
zoomlv
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 17:36:10 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
Yah, there are no aczzidents as I postulated in my schtudies, everyzing occurs in accord mit the forzzes of zhe universe.
Frau Fife, my vote for you and Frau Gretchen would be big black rubber muckluck bootz, a pair of pink frilly schkivvies ala the Pussycat Dolls, zome electrical tape schtrategically across zee nipples under a big faux fur floor length coat, yah, mit shaved heads with "Donald" unt "Fagen" on each, respectively, in big red magic marker. You then shkurry like bunniezz to the front of the schtage unt flash Donalt upon his entrancze.
I believe zat diss isht ze proper schpirit you are lookink for.
Goot luck, mein Damen.
(Zend ole Ziggy a pic or two when you get a chance why dontcha)
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 17:32:34 ET
Posted by: Beverley, Beverley
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Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 17:12:52 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in the corner of your eye
The theme for the NATPE conference this year was "Evolve & Prosper"...they are too clever those two....no such thing as a coincidence
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 15:35:32 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Well not to change the subject or anything but has anyone heard from Lady Bayside, isn't her baby due soon if not already?
Here's a toast for you fellows on the West Coast:
Raise your glass and give a cheer
2007 is going to be a rocking year
From Cali to the East coast
Let’s drink to the host
Mr.Steely Dan
Gretchen honey whatever shall we wear??
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 15:14:02 ET
Posted by: My apologies,
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 15:06:31 ET
Posted by: WOW,
That vision was disturbing....
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 14:46:12 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Sure Rajah fire away
Wednesday evening we have costume sex so if I dont answer please leave a message
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 14:40:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Eric, I really doubt we'll know the Vegas setlist by Wednesday afternoon, plus they probably only played for 50 to 70 minutes yesterday and the hits were featured. They had to have played songs that might ring a bell with even the most uninitiated and I think we all know what those numbers would be.
I just figured out my internet on this gizmo of mine (duh) so I will post during the show if that's OK with everyone else. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
We'll see you at Shari's at five.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 14:26:42 ET
Posted by: Erc in SF, in the Cone of Silence
The Dissenting Opinion:
I may be in the minority here, but I like the element of surprise. The less I know going into a show, the better. I've gone so far as to avoid The Blue completely once a tour begins, and until such time as I get to my first show of that tour. As it is, I am currently scrolling verrry slowly, so as to have the option to eject before the dreaded spoiler appears.
Granted, I'm one of the lucky henrys who only has another 32 hours or so to go on our little countdown to ecstasy here, and I'm curious enough to make my cat extremely nervous...
So I understand, if/when the final score comes in from Vegas, it will no doubt be posted here, but I can wait another day and a half for the results. Selfish lout that I am, once the show ends Wednesday night, I will have no problem sharing my take on it. Until then, I'm all for the gag order. A little bit of mystery can only enhance the experience.
All that said, I'll be at Sheri's tomorrow by 5:00 PM, and the offer still stands - the first one is on me. Just don't be surpised if I cover my ears and start singing out of tune gibberish when the conversation turns to the setlist from Vegas.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 14:24:02 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I forgot all about Bugs Bunny and Pismo Beach Rajah!
Pismo means "tar" in the language of the native Chumash Indians.
Pismo Beach is famous for being the place Bugs Bunny was headed to when he took that wrong left turn at Albuquerque.
Pismo Beach is the Clam Capital of the World. The city holds the Clam Festival every October, complete with clam chowder competitions and a clam-themed parade. Additionally, at the southern end of Price Street upon first entering Pismo Beach, a gigantic clam statue greets visitors. However, clamming is now restricted, due to over clamming in earlier decades.
Pismo Beach hosts one of the largest gatherings of custom and classic cars every June, on Father's Day weekend.
Quads and dirt bikes for recreational use are run at the Pismo OHV dunes.
The codename for the last revision of Apple Computer's PowerBook G3 is "Pismo", named after Pismo Beach. (The previous PowerBook, "Lombard", takes its name from San Francisco's Lombard Street.)
In the film Clueless, relief supplies were sent to Pismo Beach due to the fictitious Pismo Beach disaster.
In the past, many visitors camp out on the beach in Pismo Beach (known as Beach Camping)
NO CLAMMING ALLOWED!
Here's a gift from Milo for all the SoCAL Rickie Lee Jones Fans Enjoy!:
An Evening with Rickie Lee Jones
Thursday, March 1st
The Fonda
6126 Hollywood Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90028
Presale starts:Wednesday, January 17 at 10am
Presale ends: Wednesday, January 17 at 10pm
Public onsale: Thursday, January 18 at 10am
password: RICKIE
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:51:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, but that won't be till late. Somebody should be able to post with their Blackberry if they can. Plus, Craig, I can give you a ring during and maybe you can post for me. But somebody from Dandom will come through. Anyone opposed to a setlist being posted here? I'll preface it with, "Spoiler," if you don't want to know.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:43:38 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Raj
Will you be able to "feed" the Blue Wednesday night?
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:43:08 ET
Posted by: Bev, Bev
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Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:31:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm telling you, Don and Walt ought to run the CIA. They probably had everyone sign a Confidentiality Agreement at the Conference. Fed the Band a short-term memory loss roofie.
We'll see our Homeland Security man this weekend but I don't think even he knows what went on. Somebody must know...
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:12:02 ET
Posted by: That intro, would make me yawn
Thanks for tryin Rajah. We will find out on friday.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 13:04:59 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Absolutely nothing in LV papers this morning about our Boys. what gives? Rajah call your pal in Homeland security
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 12:59:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I struck out. Steve's old bandmate refuses to call his buddy back and pry into it. Give me a friggin break, what is this, classified information?
Steve said the intro he suggested went something along the lines of, "a classic rock band from the 70s who appeal to both casual listeners and serious musicians alike, welcome Steely Dan."
Yo Pete! Surely you got in there to take some pix, no? Spill it, Brotha.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 12:33:30 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, not nuked on "24"
Hey hardrock,
Sorry to not get back to you sooner on your query about your tickets. Hope you see this.
The Hard Rock in Orlando is very, very small considering the other choices for the band. I saw them last year at Tampa Amphitheatre and that's an outdoor spot which sold out to the tune of 10,000 Danfans. The Hard Rock in Orlando is 3000 seats, with some standing room along the sides. Don't know why they chose to go to Orlando when they could have made three times the dough just an hour west, but hey, I'm not complaining.
The consequence for this is that your tickets are just fine, center row T. You will be able to see everything and everybody just fine. There won't be any room for dancing around, so be prepared to groove in your seat. Truly the only bad seats are way off to the side, with a slight obstruction caused by colmuns -- but those are advertised that way by TM.
As to your plan to "move up" to the empty seats, good luck with that. It is such a small place that odds of you finding of a c ouple of empties together are pretty slim. And the standing room folks will probably be all over them if they get the chance.
In the meantime, stay tuned. I need to get with hoops to work on a Danfest. The one in Tampa that I did last time, frankly, sucked moose dick. I could not get the Hard Rock over there to let us do anything and all other places in that locale were just too remote from where we were going. I'm going to work on putting something together at one of the bars in the Universal complex for the May show. Will post something well in advance, I'm sure.
LG
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 12:24:25 ET
Posted by: Hurry up, Rajah
Drop the bagel and make the calls.It may give us insight on what may be played on friday.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 12:08:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Sounds like the old El Camino will be ...smoking.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 11:56:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah, tingling like an isotope
Milo, Gretchen, Alan and I are driving down to Pismo Beach (she saw it on Bugs Bunny and wants to see it now, I ask you) on Thursday. How about a Road Rally? Let's swap cell numbers when we meet and see what develops but it seems a drive down the 101 is in order, cut over on the 41 and hit Paso Robles, Atascadero, Morro Bay, San Luis Obispo and Pismo. Let's invade some joint and search the juke box for Steely Dan songs.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hoops, I'm trying to find out what happened yesterday in Vegas, this will take at least 5 phone calls. OK, I'll reveal my source here, our SteveeDan has a former band member of Pretzel Logic ring him up a coupla weeks ago and says he got a call from somebody on the NATPE commitee that needed a "two-line" introduction for the band at the Conference. Give me a little time...
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 11:44:53 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
<<Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 18:52:42 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrrr
And speaking of Friant......
I'm curious to know what other
folks who are doing the Friant- Santa Ynez "Circle Tour" are doing on their "off day" Thursday? I'm doing what I like to call
"The Heavy Roadhouse Rosebud Tour". I'm heading down to stay the night in San Simeon and tour the Hearst Castle. Then on to Buellton for lodging on Friday very close to Andersen's. The other part of the "Rosebud" equation. Long before the famous "Split Pea Soup", Andersen's cafe was on the road to the fabulous Hearst Castle
at San Simeon and during the heyday of Hearst's newspaper empire, many of the Hearst writers and reporters, such as Arthur Brisbane and 0.0. McIntyre developed the habit of stopping at Andersen's. Their Rave reviews of excellent food and hospitality where carried in their newspaper columns throughout the entire country.>>
Nothing fancy Ray. I'll probably spend the day in Santa Barbara.
What are other people doing? Anything special? By the way, I'd also
like to know if Michael Brecker was hired to do the Aja tour;)
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 10:36:18 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
NPR's Morning Edition aired an interview with Madeleine Peyroux. Part of the segment was devoted to talking about the writing of "I'm Alright" which was co-penned with Walter Becker and Larry Klein.
The full interview, including some parts not aired, is at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6862497
Keep hoping to hear some word of the setlist from the private show. Maybe it will come from some brand new Danfan who discovered them at this show and then found out about the Blue through Google or something.
jim
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 10:32:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, go Browns! All the waaay...wha...huh? So the Browns are not, they were 4 and 11, jeez they SUCK! Go...anybody...
OK, are we ready for all this? It's January, nothing's in the news besides the Barbara Boxer, Condoleeza Rice slap down, more troops to Iraq for some reason I can't fathom. A surge he says, the only surge I understand is when the hot-flashes of Man-o-pause kick in. They nuked LA on 24, you say The Police are doing a thirtieth year reunion tour? That's a maybe but one thing we do know we have going...
The Steely Dan Heavy Rollers 007 TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah baby, pack up Grandpa's toothbrush and hair rejuvination products, dust off his droopy-ass Turban, load the car with Gingersnaps and roll that big fatty mama, pick up our Australian stalwart at LAX and cruuuuuizzzz on up the Grapevine for what has to be the two starngest dates in the strangest places in Kally. Cowboy country, here comes Steely Dan! Maybe I should break out my chaps and hang my wrinkled white ass out the window all the way up there!
Wheeeewww!
I should probably re-think all that and calmly progress to points North with all prudent speed. Sheri's Roadhouse is the place, see ya there.
And come on up to our digs at the Chumash Resort after Friday night's show, we'll have some brews and vino for y'all, feel free to bring anything you want, I'll let you know the room number when I see you, hosted by The Spousal Unit, Alan from Downunder, our very own SteveeDan and myself, I'm Hugh G. Rection.
Baba Step Back I Think This Thing's Gonna Blow Rajah
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 09:49:21 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,
Hey Justin,
Actually I'm a huge Packer fan so I'm just a casual observer when it comes to the Bears. Looking for the heartland Super Bowl I guess. Any combination of these teams would make a good story line.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 06:32:51 ET
Posted by: Justin Wilson,
Hey "HeyMike",
There is no way the Bears get past the Saints next weekend. Chicago was lucky to get past the 8-8 Seattle Seahawks last weekend. Not only won't Chicago win, they'll get blown out by New Orleans. See me on Monday for the details. Rex Grossman is your achilles heel. Better luck next year.
Date: Tues, January 16, 2007, 00:08:25 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
Boston Rag- Right on! I couldn't have said it any better. I can't wait for the Bearsville show!
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 23:33:15 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Bearsville won't be the first time Donald will have played with Amy Helm in public. You might remember that Amy sang backup vocals for Donald and Walter at the RRHOF induction ceremonies. I believe they performed "Do It Again" and "Black Friday". Amy also does the whistling during the bridge on "Cousin Dupree".
I think it's awesome that Donald is doing this gig with his step-daughter. He obviously has a lot of love for his wife and family.
And let's face it, they are responsible for the helping to shape the man, his artistic visions, and production for the past 16 years.
I feel privileged to be able to watch this rare public family music event.
Mark in Boston
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 22:38:03 ET
Posted by: Ace Hole,
Dango are you going to bearsville? i am going for the curiosity factor to see how far Don goes out of his normally controlled shows.
it will be unique to see Don let er rip. and he is going to certainly have to with this band which is pretty good but will not be able to put up the bodacious orchestral sounds that we are used to hearing and that are required for post pretzel Steely songs....
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 22:24:56 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
"Don therefore will probably not attempt any songs beyond the capacity of the band probably mostly early, non-jazzbo Steely Dan."
The early non-jazzbo stuff is exactly what Donald doesn't want to do anymore. So I guess Donald won't be doing anything from Steely Dan then. Which isn't outside the realm of possibility. Pretty sad that you won't give the guy credit for doing something different though. You approach his performances with a very "seen 'em once, you've seen 'em all" mentality. How do you know he isn't going to do something totally different this time around?
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 21:26:19 ET
Posted by: Ace Hole,
F. Dango having been to just about every type of Steely Dan related show since 1992 even during the NY rock n soul Don assures that his concerts sound very close to the original recordings. he will improvise with solos etc. but all the necessary instruments equipment are present to nearly replicate the studio sound.
Don therefore will probably not attempt any songs beyond the capacity of the band probably mostly early, non-jazzbo Steely Dan.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:43:02 ET
Posted by: Geoff, wiggy pad
I have a Chumash ticket for sale
Section A Row L Seat 13
$155
Send me an e-mail if interested
Geoff
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:28:32 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
"looks like we will be lucky to hear 5 or six Steely songs limited somewhat by the capabilities of this band."
Wow that's a rather insulting thing to say. What makes you think that just because they're a folk-based band that they're limited? If you're not a Jazzbo you're limited? Please... I'm sure they're capable of handling anything DF hands down.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:22:03 ET
Posted by: Ace Hole,
Raj does have a point probably on the song TvN. you need some serious brass to do that one right. possibly could do some stripped down things. TvN without brass? Is Don too perfectionist to let that happen? don't see how Don is going to hold down an hour and a half without doing some phoebe s. material and these other unreleased Dan songs. steely dan songs to be done to Don's level of perfection for this show would need to be non-horn which cancels lots of them out. yeah, looks like we will be lucky to hear 5 or six Steely songs limited somewhat by the capabilities of this band.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:14:26 ET
Posted by: that's gourmand, eh
sorry for the confusion.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:11:45 ET
Posted by: gourmond, yum
Hey i've really been getting into hearts of palm lately, and you?
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 20:05:16 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, navigating
So who's in for Bearsville? Just secured tix for Fri and Sat nights. Who said the LA contingent will miss out?
G
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 19:42:51 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
Raj, maybe Fagen doesn't do any Steely Dan tunes at all. Maybe he does his own stuff or whatever he feels like playing. Donald Fagen solo is not Steely Dan, you'll have to go to a Steely Dan show for that.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 19:18:29 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Learning to Fly...
Hey There Blue,
Getting up to a fever pitch in here..."the 007" is really shaping up, eh? Just a couple of notes: if anyone needs a lift from Santa Barbara on Friday afternoon, please let me know ahead of time, I think I can help out on that score. I'll be in late Thursday night and plan to be up around midday Friday for a lookaround before the Danfest.
I don't guess anyone knows about new, killer Heavy Rollers 07 tour merchandise...? Hope to get my hands on a couple of items, if they're offered.
And hey, any plans after the show? I'm out sometime Saturday morning (not sure the exact time, it's been changed once already), but hey--how often do we get to hang, right? Right.
Think that's all I want to pump out of the ol' Info Well right now, but sincerely: if you're stuck for a ride Friday anywhere around the S/B County Triangle, count on me, okay?
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 19:12:50 ET
Posted by: The Wicked Librarian, West of Orinda
I have one ticket for Sec B Row CC Seat 18 for concert at Chumash on
Friday the 19th. $95 (purchase price). We can make exchange at Danfest or
at concert venue.
Email me at: holliday@berkeley.edu
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 18:22:11 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Mark D,have been trying to call you,your number or phone is out of service can you give me a call....thanks.....Paul
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 17:58:24 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, They gotta name for the winners in the world
SuperBowl
Da Bears and Colts in an I65 match up--Colts in a squeaker-Manning gets his due.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 16:01:04 ET
Posted by: Me, here
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070112/LIFE/70111037
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 15:16:05 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Rajah
I guess your Hollywood guy is not in Vegas
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 14:58:10 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, wearing black...and gold
BR, you know I l-u-v you, but Marty is my main coach-man! Has been since Cleveland days. He is Deacon Blues epitomized. How can you not love that?
Yeah, yeah, Go Reggie and Drew. The Saints are the new America's team. I just wish they were playing at home next week. And besides, I have a certain prejudice against Da Bears. I may be homeward bound by the time the Pats play, but I have to say, it may be the Colts' year.
Sorry, babe. I'd hold on to those Sat. Bearsville tix if I were you!
We got good party favors burning for Chumash. Be there or be square!
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 14:22:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah, MLK Day
Olabelle looks like a folky spin-off of The Band, you got your mandolin, accordion, dobro, a rootsey-gospel kinda affair. So Donald who, yes, is very capable of performing solo, I wish he would, will probably stick to the blues numbers like Pretzel Logic, Chain Lightnin, Black Friday, maybe a Dirty Work, What I Do, mebbe a scaled-down Josey, Babylon Sisters, Ruby Baby. And a couple of old chestnuts from his favorites, Mis'ry or Hesitation Blues. TvN? I'd bet the ranch against that one...
If there's anybody out there who is at the NATPE, please chime in!
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 13:03:40 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
But to be honest, Donald doesn't really need a backing band. He could do a solo show at the piano and be just as entertaining.
Plenty of artists have done that before.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 13:00:07 ET
Posted by: missing link,
Besides that, Levon is her father and Donald is her stepfather.
But she's pretty good in her own right.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 11:27:21 ET
Posted by: Ace Hole,
there is collaborative history there to be sure. Ollabelle probably could and will back an SD song like TvN for the woodstock show. what is a first for DF however to raise their profile to this level especially to Danfans who never experienced anything Helm, rambles or otherwise and more or less put his imprimatur on this group publicly...
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 11:27:11 ET
Posted by: Ace Hole,
there is collaborative history there to be sure. Ollabelle probably could and will back an SD song like TvN for the woodstock show. what is a first for DF however to raise their profile to this level especially to Danfans who never experienced anything Helm, rambles or otherwise and more or less put his imprimatur on this group publicly...
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 10:56:50 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
Hasn't Fagen played at Levon's "midnight ramble" before? So this isn't the first time he's done it. Check out the following link and check out the October 21st date...
http://www.levonhelm.com/photos.htm
You can see that Ollabelle has shared the bill with DF before. Amy Helm is also a member of "The Levon Helm Band". Also, I believe she did some backup vocals on SD's "Two Against Nature" cd as well as vocals on "Countermoon" and "What I Do".
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 10:56:31 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Chrysler - I couldn't agree more about Brecker! I watched Joni's "Shadows and Lights" dvd last night. What a band!! Metheny, Lyle Mays, Jaco, Brecker, and Don Alias. Half of that band is now gone with Metheny, Mays, and Joni being the only ones still with us. I remember seeing a quote somewhere from Metheny about that band and he likened it to having a Ferrari that you could only drive at 25 mph!
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 10:12:31 ET
Posted by: Or an Ace in the Hole??,
....could be DF helping out the in-laws using his box office drawing power to help Ollabelle gain more notoriety????
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 10:05:30 ET
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, out of hiatus, just to pay tribute to
Michael Brecker
The greatest jazz saxophonist, AW HELL, the greatest jazz improvisor PERIOD, since Wayne Shorter.
There are a lot of great sax players out there--Marsalis, Redman, Carter, Potter, Turner come immediately to mind--but none of them have touched Maestro Brecker.
Michael Brecker was nothing short of astonishing.
A titan has passed; his influence, never.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 09:32:00 ET
Posted by: I hope this doesn't come in three's,
Alice Coltrane left us this past Friday.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 08:55:47 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home vacation - no holiday for us
You can pick up your tickets at Bearsville any time the box office is open. You have to call their number for the hours. I believe Saturdays they are open 2-8 PM. I may run over this weekend just to check it out. What's four hours and a nice ride in the country?
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 08:46:39 ET
Posted by: Ira S.,
If the Helm Influence is "The Band" type of sound, yes. When I heard the first two cuts of the samples on the Ollabelle site I thought WTF? Folk rock. Can be heard in very early Steely Dan but not of late. Not Fagenesque.
If folk rock was all that Ollabelle was about I would say that the show could be headed for a Martha Wainwright situation right out of the starting blocks. Not that that is necessarily bad. Depends on what style one likes.
Ollabelle appears accomplished and musically versatile. As you progress thru their cuts they move towards a blues inflected side more like much of Steely Dan which is probably what the Donald is going to utilize if he stays true to form.
There is also the possibility that Fagen might be being influenced of late by the folky Woodstock music scene itself rubbing off on him just as the jazzy black artists influenced his youth. If Fagen is moving that way evidently he has enough confidence in this direction to appear in these shows.
It is definitely going to be different and certainly interesting.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 03:37:09 ET
Posted by: FanDango,
Can't you hear the Levon Helm influence?
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 01:58:49 ET
Posted by: Ira S.,
I have finally had a chance to assess this "Ollabelle" from the website. From the limited 6 cuts i would say that this group is pretty versatile but basically their sound is Fleetwood Mac meets Bonnie Raitt.
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Their cuts "Move On" and "See Line Woman" have some blues to them, and the video clip is where the Raitt sound comes in.
They also exhibit good percussion on several cuts.
Initially from the name Ollabelle and the "gospel" billing it seemed that they might have come up the road a piece from Harlem, lot of keyboards and had maybe two or three Cindy Mizell-Matthews Sisters type singers. But the white girls do a pretty good job singing the blues.
I can see Phoebe Snow being needed to provide "a little bit o' Soul", as she did on the NY R&S Revue.
To what extent Fagen is going to influence this show is an unknown, but it might be interesting to speculate upon what sort of "Steely Dan Songs" as it says in the news article a group with Ollabelle's type of sound such would be able to back him on.
Definitely going to be different, to say the least.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 01:58:45 ET
Posted by: LESTER, MNT TOPS
Anybody heard anything about who is playing with them Friday in Santa Ynez??? We sure are looking forward to the show!!!
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 01:13:54 ET
Posted by: suedave, over here
Almost Gothic NG - I emailed you, shout out if you didn't get it
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 00:49:51 ET
Posted by: hardrockorlando,
Hey lawgator,
i had the choice between center balcony row h or center right row t. i took row t. the reason being that if i was down low i could have the chance to scout and out and take closer unoccupied seats. did i make a bad decision? how would the view be if i stayed at row t; same with the balcony seats.
thanks.
Date: Mon, January 15, 2007, 00:02:37 ET
Posted by: Fife, balmy baltimore
They don't mail them out, you have to pick them up at the theater.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 23:58:50 ET
Posted by: Link,
We know it will happen but others are wondering.......
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6407460.html
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 23:38:09 ET
Posted by: Question,
Am I correct that Bearsville tickets can only be picked up at the venue on the day of the show? Or are some of you having them mailed out or getting them some other way before the day of the show?
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 23:17:43 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
suedave ~ Just tried to respond to your e-mail, and this time it bounced. bummah
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 23:01:51 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, 12
LWO - Marty? Marty Schottenheimer?? They gotta name for the winners in the world...and it ain't Marty, that's for sure. Gail, never, ever, bet against Tommy Boy, babe. Was that 2 point conversion - direct snap - a thing of beauty or what?
As much as I'd love to see Reggie Bush in the Superbowl (a force that Gail's Texans took a pass on), I'm rooting for a 1986 rematch of the Patriots and Da Beeeears.
I have Gold Circle tix for Friday, Feb 2 at Bearsville. I also have two Row 9, Center seats for Saturday, Feb 3. IF the Pats beat the Colts next Sunday night and are Superbowl bound (for the 4th time in 6 years!) I'll probably be looking to sell my Saturday tix if anyone is interested. Just face value. If the Pats are in the Supebowl, I'll want to leave Woodstock on Saturday instead of Superbowl Sunday. Blast me an e-mail and we'll work out the deal if all the cards fall into place.
Have fun at the Casinos this week! Should be a blast. Full reports and set lists, please!
Mark in PatsLand
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 22:13:44 ET
Posted by: suedave, snowbound in Seattle
I believe Rajah & Gretchen are hosting the after show Chumash soiree, and honey I'll be there, yes I'll be there. My better half & I will also join you at the Maverick before the show. Thanks Robert & Laurie for hosting!
On Saturday, I may have time to teach you a new game to play. It's a cross between Monopoly & Trivial Pursuit, and it's all about Steely Dan. Here's the beginning of the rules:
Heavy Rollers ’07 Rules
Game Preparation: Each player receives 1-$500, 3-$100,
and 4-$50 bills to start. Each player chooses a playing piece –
Gold Teeth, Surf and/or Die (Male, Female), Kulee Baba, Kamakiri,
Steely Dan, Spider King Demon, Charlie Freaks’ ring, Coke can,
High heeled sneaker, Monkey w/Fez, vice dice, vice roulette.
Goal of the game: to buy the Fez. The Fez costs $5000
Answering Trivia questions: Each time you land on a property,
you get to answer a trivia question. For each correct answer
you collect $100 from the bank.
Groovetime: each time a player lands on or passes Groovetime,
the banker pays the player $200.
We tested it out last night. The Steely Dan trivia masters did pretty well. Study up!
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 20:31:31 ET
Posted by: Fife, Is it really winter???
Anyone up for chat?
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 19:50:21 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
For those interested in soem details on Orlando, first, appears the show is pretty much sold out. I got 6 tix for friends in the second row of the balcony, which are fine seats. You must realize this is a pretty small venue -- only 3000 seats. As of now, when I check with TM, they are still selling tix to standing room only along the sides on the floor. Some okay vantage points, and like I say its a small venue.
I'm going to try to put something together for Danfest purposes at one of the bars there at Universal City Walk, which is where the Hard Rock is located. I'll tell you right now that valet parking is THE ONLY way to fly. Oh, sure, you can park in Pink Elephant Row G, spot 357. But from there its a 20 minute walk/conveyor belt ride in with the touristas.
If you do the valet, its going to run you $20, but you are five minutes from the HR. Bear in mind, when you go up the escalator from valet, they check all purses and containers so don't try to bring anything in with you.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 18:52:42 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrrr
And speaking of Friant......
I'm curious to know what other
folks who are doing the Friant-
Santa Ynez "Circle Tour" are
doing on their "off day" Thursday?
I'm doing what I like to call
"The Heavy Roadhouse Rosebud Tour".
I'm heading down to stay the night
in San Simeon and tour the Hearst
Castle. Then on to Buellton for
lodging on Friday very close to
Andersen's. The other part of the
"Rosebud" equation. Long before the famous
"Split Pea Soup", Andersen's cafe was
on the road to the fabulous Hearst Castle
at San Simeon and during the heyday of
Hearst's newspaper empire, many of the
Hearst writers and reporters, such as
Arthur Brisbane and 0.0. McIntyre developed
the habit of stopping at Andersen's. Their
Rave reviews of excellent food and hospitality
where carried in their newspaper columns throughout
the entire country. Just a reminder:
To those who might be thinking of getting
a "Late Night Andersen's Fix" after a night
of "Steely Dan Sideways Partying", think again.
If you want your "Pea Soup" you better get it
ealier or on Saturday, because Andersen's shuts
down at 10PM. And remember, at Andersen's they
split every individual pea by hand. A Big guy
uses a large mallet, while a little guy steadies
a chisle over every individul pea.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 18:29:11 ET
Posted by: angel,
I will be at Chumash. Count me in. :-)
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 17:52:42 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrr
Thanks for all the Friant research
Eric. So it looks like a Biker Bar
and a Cowboy Bar. I like that. The
"Heavy Roadhouse" Tour. Here's a
little more info on Sheri's for
those coming up to Friant:
Sheri's Roadhouse
20023 Auberry Rd
Clovis, CA 93619-9645 (559)298-5613
Roadhouse User Reviews - What users are saying
Crowded: no Trendy: yes Romantic: no Good for after work: yes Good dancing: yes Good social scene: yes Good happy hour: yes
Friendly and Fun!
Posted by toyochick on 08/25/2006
There are always friendly patrons and employee's. Great live music, pool tables and a huge patio out back. I agree that it is the "friendliest little bar in the hills." Don't let the bikers scare you, you'll see that they're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet!
Pros: Large outdoor patio
Cons: Too much fun?
Overall user rating: Highly Recommended
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 16:46:22 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, me too
So it goes...two of my best buds. One a Red Sox/Pats diehard, the other a Yanks/Chargers. Ahhhh....sorry Mark. I like Marty too much!
Bolt up!
Adorable Ghost, rumor has it that the party is at SueDave's post-show. I'll be the one in animal print. Look me up!
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 16:44:09 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
Both Bearsville shows are now SOLD OUT! Boy, that was quick. I think that they have a few standing room only tickets left. DF with 400 people? Sounds like a plan.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 16:24:31 ET
Posted by: Harry Caray,
Bears win! Bears win! Bears win!
Holy Cow!
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 16:09:42 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in the corner of your eye
Thanks again to Robert and Laurie for the Danfest! I will be a "noob", can't wait! My five-year old is actually bummed he can't go to the show- wants me to call him when they play "Josie" or "Dirty Work"- too funny. Any plans for after the show? The Maverick after 9 can get a little stinky with right wing hooeys.....or we can just brave it together!
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 16:00:35 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Sad to say, Ray - but yes it's another dry joint. No Fire Water. Word is they make a killler Shirley Temple though...
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 15:51:05 ET
Posted by: Bouncer, at the door
Dry or not, hope everyone noticed both casino shows are 18 or older...for those bringing their kids
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 15:42:31 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Maliburrrr
Hey Eric,
Table Mountain isn't "dry" is it?
I thought they served the "Fire Water"?
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 14:17:21 ET
Posted by: heymike, this side of soldier field
Just now saw the news about Michael Brecker!
11 Grammys to his credit.
The good they die young.
Really sad news indeed.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 12:27:07 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, West of Oakland
Craig B. - Yes, indeedy. Chumash too. Wouldn't miss it for all the pea soup in Buellton.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 12:11:18 ET
Posted by: Josey, Orlando Bound in May!
I would absolutely second Boston Rag's suggestion regarding Michael Brecker's "Tales From The Hudson"!! An amazing cd at the very least! Someone else mentioned "Wide Angles" which is a terrific cd as well.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 10:58:24 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Brecker Bros. w/ Robben Ford, George Duke, and Pete Erskine in Japan ca. Gaucho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tvso1FcH0s
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 10:47:13 ET
Posted by: DWB, here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Zv4_XHTDk
RIP, Michael Brecker.
video above,
posted on All About Jazz, something nice from Pat Metheny and Michael Brecker in 2003,
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 08:09:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA 8 degrees
Sad news about Michael…way too young and talented.
LWO
I was just curious about the number
Up front thanks to Robert and Laurie for their efforts on putting together a Danfest.
Did anyone hear where SD was rehearsing ?
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 08:05:35 ET
Posted by: Wiz,
If you're going to hang out for a couple of days you could also catch one of the David Byrne shows in NYC.
http://www.davidbyrne.com/tours/index.php
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 08:03:22 ET
Posted by: Wizard of Odds,
So there are two Bearsville dates then? Feb. 2nd and 3rd?
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770111037
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 07:50:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Eric
Are you going to Chumash also?
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 04:05:07 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, peering at my compass
Direction Correction: Sheri's is SouthEAST of Table Mountain, not soutwest as previously stated. Either way it's not far. And there's only one road heading south.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 03:26:24 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, West of Oakland
Here's a vote for Wide Angles by the Michael Brecker Quindectet. Some amazing moments of chaos and clarity in there from a gang of fifteen. I don't claim to be a musicologist of any repute but I know I like it, and it can't be easy.
May the bandleader rest in peace. He will be missed.
For those of you keeping score at home, I intend to be at the Maverick come Friday twi-night with my much better half in tow. So add two more to your dance card.
In the meantime though, we've got a show before that to consider and I'm not seeing anything about any pre-show hoedown dogfuck and sockhop here, so if I may...
I'm not suggesting anything as grand as an officially sanctioned Fresno Danfest, (somehow those two words just don't look right next to each other. Try to think of this suggestion as something more akin to a Wingding Wannabe, or just a whistle wetter on the way to a dry bingo parlor. Anyway, my research has revealed three local drinking establishments within a 5 mile radius of the vaunted Table Mountain Rancheria. We have the Friant Tavern and the Millerton Inn - both about four or five miles due west. We also have Sheri's Roadhouse about a mile and a half southwest. My vote is for Sheri's Roadhouse, site unseen. Just for the heck of it. Proximity counts too. Who knows maybe there's a local taxi service to ferry us to and fro. If there's a good reason to select one of the others, (such as eeny-meenie or actual personal experience), I'm game for that too.
I don't know about you guys, but I know I will want to knock back a few before heading over to the ol' rancheria for The Steely Dan Show and if any of you care to join me, I'm buying the first round for all who tread here on The Blue.
Thanks to Hoops for providing us with this great source of information and a place to share our appreciation of the things we know love with those of our kind. And thanks to the rest of you for keeping it interesting.
Date: Sun, January 14, 2007, 02:14:17 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
The Brecker Brothers played a small venue, upper West side in 93, a one time event as it can only happen in NYC. I believe it was the China Club.
Will Lee,Steve Ferrone,Joe Caro, not sure about keys.
It was something else, one could tell it was a fun gig for them and the pressure was off.
My favorite recording is "Time is of the essence"
The Pat Metheny Trio played "Timeline" to raise awareness for Michael's illness on their last tour, Pat said they would play a different MB tune each night.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 22:07:30 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
So sorry to hear about Michael Brecker. Maybe something in the old adage that only the good die young. May he rest in peace in music heaven and my thoughts are with his family. My step-dad died of a similar thing and once his quality of life had gone, he lost the will to fight.
On a happier note, I'm loving hear the excitement building up on the Blue about the forthcoming events. Oh how I would love to be with you all, but work and financial commitments prevent that one. Maybe in the Summer, if they're still gigging.
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 21:17:13 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, waiting for the game...
Brecker's "Tales From The Hudson" is a monster CD. I still put it on now and then when I need a tenor fix. Some great tunes.
Kalvin, OK "FM" wasn't really that bad. I mean, I did pay to see it 4 times in the 70s. Only because it was fun seeing a big Steely Dan credit at the beginning of the movie. This was before the days of VCRs and DVDs. (old man voice) That was the way it was...and we liked it!
Mark in Patriot Nation
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 20:36:03 ET
Posted by: Rest in Peace Buddy, Heaven
If anyone is interested? You can count the number of American musicians of Michael Brecker's status on one hand. What a sad day.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 18:37:36 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Chilly Maliburrrr
Here's a question:
We all know the story, about
Donald and Walter nixing the
Aja tour because on the first
day of rehearsal the musicians
all started arguing about the
different pay scales each was
getting. My question:
Was Michael Brecker one of those
musicians?
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 18:10:46 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Chilly Malibu
Very sad news indeed.
I'm sure we will see
something posted by Donald
on his site in the next few
days. Was fortunate to see
him at the Jazz Showcase in
Chicago. Listening to "Jaco
Pastorius - The Florida Concert"
with Michael Brecker, Bob Mintzer,
and Peter Erskine right now.
Up next, "Some Skunk Funk" by
the brothers Randy and Michael.
Godspeed.
This is off the wire is anyone is
interested:
Saxophonist Michael Brecker dies at age 57
The Associated PressPublished: January 13, 2007
NEW YORK: Michael Brecker, a versatile and much-studied jazz saxophonist who won 11 Grammys over a career that spanned more than three decades, died Saturday at age 57.
Brecker died in New York of leukemia, according to his longtime friend and agent, Darryl Pitt.
In recent years, the saxophonist had struggled myelodysplastic syndrome, a cancer in which the bone marrow stops producing enough healthy blood cells. The disease, known as MDS, often progresses to leukemia.
Becker, who had a home in Hastings-on-Hudson, New York, was born in 1949 in Philadelphia and had won 11 Grammys for his work as a tenor saxophonist. He was inspired to study the tenor saxophone by the work of jazz legend John Coltrane, according to his Web site.
He and his brothers led a successful jazz-rock fusion group called the Brecker Brothers. Throughout his career, he recorded and performed with numerous jazz and pop music leaders, including Herbie Hancock and Joni Mitchell, according to the site.
His technique on the saxophone was widely emulated and taught. Jazziz magazine once called him "inarguably the most influential tenor stylist of the last 25 years."
Though somewhat introverted, his struggle with the blood disease led him to publicly encourage people to enroll in marrow donor programs.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 18:03:16 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Oh my God, that is so sad. I don't know what to say...
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 17:09:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Maestro Michael Brecker played on four Steely Dan tracks, YGT II, My Rival, Time Out of Mind, Glamour Profession and four Fagen offerings, IGY, Ruby Baby, Maxine and Century's End. A terrible loss at age 57. RIP young sir.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 16:34:05 ET
Posted by: KD, --
Sad news:
Michael Brecker died this morning.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 15:11:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I put the Bluebook count at approximately 25 confirmed absent friends, significant others and non-posters. We will raise the roof on the Maverick, wait till you see this joint, it is a hoot. Thanks to Robert and Laurie, I never cease to marvel at the great heart and spirit of the Blue. Makes me proud.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 15:09:09 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, countdown
Craig, my unofficial count is 40 - 50 Bluebookers. This might beat Jones Beach and the Gorge!
I have a contact list of sorts for us out-of-towners. If you want to add your info, e-mail me.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 13:31:22 ET
Posted by: bobbo, meanwhile, back at the Motel
Hey Robert and Laurie,
Want to extend a big thank-you for putting all of that together, I've seen it done firsthand, and it's no picnic! (Not saying I helped in any way, I've just SEEN 'EM DO IT!) It's nice to know there are those of my kind out there when I arrive, and I know all of us from afar feel that way...so, y'know, again, thanks so much!
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 13:26:04 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hi Craig,
I and my hubby will be there, looking forward to meeting you and everyone. Less than a week...the countdown has begun.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 12:13:45 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnThDunes in Morro Bay
Laurie & I will be there and have set up the Danfest. I will be at the saloon setting up the music at about 3:00 PM. I told the bar manager that we would probably want to party from 4:00 PM - 6:45 PM. He said nobody would be using the room all afternoon.
So if you plan to attend, the party starts sometime after 3:30 PM.
The room holds 150 people.
I will put a sign up on the corner of Edison Street across from the casino pointing the way to the party.
We have our T-shirt design finalized, and they are being made as I write this. The design required a seven layer print - it is really cool. Thanks again to Denise from Hinktown for the wonderful graphic design. The T-shirts will be sold a bit less than cost ($10 each).
We ordered the following sizes:
12 mens medium
18 mens large
18 mens xlarge
6 mens xxlarge
12 womens medium
12 wonens large
Laurie is also putting together a lanyard.
There is both food & alcohol at Mavericks so it should be one stop shopping.
We'll have a good sized stereo set up on the stage so the tunes will be great.
We look forward to meeting all you loyal Steely Dan fans and welcome any noobs.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 12:01:07 ET
Posted by: bobbo, packin' up the plantation...
I think there may be three or four HUNDRED of us Bluebook Danners heading out to Santa Ynez on Friday, man...Raj, what's the bodycount lately, any idea? This show (and the others for that matter) were only advertised, I understand, on the official website, so it'll be primarily die-hard Danners, in my reckoning...that's why I think some recording will be going on, fellas...you want a tuned-in, conducive crowd for that kind of affair (and of course, Nostradamus speaks of new-fangled digital recording gear)...See you in Chumash!
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 11:51:17 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnThDunes in Morro Bay
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 11:24:36 ET
Posted by: Bob, NYC
I got 1st row dead center for the Woodstock show! Gold Circle $65
Tomorrow night, "The Crusaders" with Joe Sample, Steve Gadd and Ray Parker Jr. at the Blue Note. Life is good!
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 11:19:44 ET
Posted by: CraigB, AV CA
Roll Call
Who from the Blue is attending the Chumash Show?
Sorry Raj about your "Donald Cut"
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 11:04:36 ET
Posted by: ticketmastersucks,
anyone here been to to hard rock orlanda? how is center right row t?
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 10:41:06 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Raj...As you may know, Benny Golson played a little snippet of Killer Joe in the movie Terminal with Tom Hanks. He was the "last autograph". I bet that was quite a show. I had the pleasure of seeing Tony Bennett earlier this year at the opera house in Galveston. Very unique venue with only about 1200 seats. Very gracious person and he can still belt out the ballads.
I'm curious about SD doing these coprorte shows. The company I work for has hired The Doobies/McD and Loggins and Messina the last two years. They typically do these shows in convention halls and in our case they let the crowd go right up to the stage. I was literally 10 feet in front of McDonald last year and Jimmy Messina the year before. Pretty awesome experience, but it seems like that setting would make Fagen very uneasy. Anyway, I'm hoping we hire SD this year.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 09:39:50 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home calling
Wow – wild news. Woodstock is 2 hours due west of our house. 2 lane roads through the worst snow belt in CT. However this year is not a problem so far. Bradley Intl Airport in Windsor Locks, CT (Hartford/Springfield) is 2 ½ hours west of the venue – you’ll go right by our house. One toll bridge coming back in Kingston, NY – EZ Pass is accepted and there is a high speed lane.
Other option is to fly into the airport in Newburgh/Stewart NY and then take the NY Thruway right into Woodstock.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 08:33:08 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Wonder what will happen the first time Walter Becker says "This (insert corporate name here) crowd is THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING AUDIENCE WE'VE EVER HAD!!!"
I don't think it'll go ever too well at 84Lumber headquarters...
I'm gonna frame that picture of Donald with his arm around Bill Gates. You don't see that everyday.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 08:16:48 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
...and while think about it, the votes of the British jury for tonight's comfy chair, beer, nibbles and dips fest go to New Orleans, Baltimore, Chicago and New England...go on, prove me wrong !
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 08:06:47 ET
Posted by: Kalvin, Portsmouth, England
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I'm sorry but I have to take issue with Boston Rag's critical assessment that the film FM sucked...at no point did I think it even got close to that lofty height...great to watch now though late on a Friday night after you've got back from the pub after a few beers ...:)
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 04:08:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey, it's late but I have to tell you about a guy we saw tonight by the name of Benny Golson, jazz legend on the tenor sax over at the Jazz Bakery in Culver City which is a great little recital hall, no drinks, no rubber jazz-club chicken, no assigned seating. For 30 bucks we got to see a guy who has plied his craft for a half century, Philly boy, childhood friend of John Coltrane, play and tell stories for about an hour fifteen in a room that holds maybe 80 people. He's penned jazz standards galore including Blue Walk, Stablemates, Whisper Not, I Remember Clifford, Along Came Betty, Are You Real and my fave, Killer Joe. What a class act and his piano player, Bill Cunliffe, was every bit as good as another guy I admire, Bill Charlapp. What a treat it is to see one of the last original hard boppers. He's 78 years young. And he signed my album cover from the 70s. Thank you, Mr. Golson.
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 01:03:42 ET
Posted by: suedave, it was fun being snowbound
I'm looking for Toya - somehow I suspect my emails to you are going into a black hole. Thanks for the blue, Hoops!
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 00:48:21 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Lutz -
I sent two emails this week to the address on file for you here and got no reply, so I'm guessing you didn't receive. I am reachable at emc415@comcast.net
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 00:35:50 ET
Posted by: Q, Holy Crap! Orlando????
Wow! Just got back from Germany, frazzled but reignited by this "news"!
Can anyone tell me what seating chart to refer to at the Orlando Hard Rock??
They have 3 configurations that appear to be possible candidates, so is a bit confusing, esp. as this is coming as a shock to me.
I hit over 215(Hockenheim main straight)for the first time in my life.....talk about time and space warp! - and true fear.....thank God for ceramic brakes and mass dampers....If the wife reads this she'll kill me!
Anyway, any info/advice on the Orlando setup would be appreciated as
I literally just arrived from the this morning and just now learning of this highly unexpected show location which is "right up the street" from me.
Any info - even speculation - would be appreciated.....thanks in advance(?)
Date: Sat, January 13, 2007, 00:12:03 ET
Posted by: prez logic, White House
Is anyone out there that attended the Donald Fagen Band show last March in Las Vegas as an I Love All Access 5 star package guest attending the show next week at Chumash?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 23:38:47 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Lots of great buzz on the board today. Good work folks, keep it up!
Then of course, there is the resident a-hole or two, trying their feeble best to try to bring others down into their sad little world. Good luck with that ; )
Steely Dan is on the move. Catch 'em if you can!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 22:22:22 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF,
Eric, I am around,
shoot me an email!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 21:56:29 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Private corporate parties...
Okay I guess I'll give The American Dental Association a call and see if they'd like to hear "The Last Mall" in a live setting or not.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 21:12:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibooboo
Donald Fagen is Monk. Okay.
Also from what Lexalibby says,
it looks like maybe the "boys"
are going to be doing "private"
dates this year and adding general
public shows around those dates
when possible. I bet there is a
"bigger picture" brewing around
that Orlando date. That's cool
with me. I hope we get a lot more
smaller venue dates this year.
So c'mon "Suits", poney up. Start
recommending Steely Dan to your Event
Planners. They're fabulous.
Cucumber Sandwich? Why, yes.
Thank you.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 20:13:59 ET
Posted by: DS, Eternal Path
Just thought I'd add that the new Lexi post has to do with the CBS corporate gig.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 20:11:31 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
New "Lexi says" at DF.com...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 19:26:40 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, home at last
For those with Comcast On Demand, the Free Movies section just put up "FM" this week. The movie sucks but if you've never seen it, the first 5 minutes are great.
And seaking of "FM", there's a New England-based cover band called "No Static". A friend of mine just e-mailed me and said they were playing at the Amazing Things Arts Center in Framingham, MA tonight. I've never seen the band but if you're within driving distance of Framingham, you might want to check it out.
Am I right in thinking that Donald bought Bob Dylan's Woodstock home about 15 years ago?
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 18:52:21 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Hey Lutz - you out there?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 18:25:23 ET
Posted by: Hearty East Coaster, mapping
OR fly into Hartford/Springfield and you have about a 2 hour drive to Bearsville.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 18:06:22 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan,
I am going to drive from Santa Barbara to Table Mt. Casino. Mapquest says it is about an hour faster to go through Bakersfield using hwy 99 rather than going through "Sideways" country and then using hwy 41, even though the former route is further. Anyone know if this is correct?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 17:20:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's an evening with Steely Dan, no Mike.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 17:12:51 ET
Posted by: calguy, Cambria
I was looking at a ticket seller on Ebay who stated that opening act is Michael McDonald at the Chumash Casino show. This is true? I haven't heard this stated before.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 17:01:51 ET
Posted by: Hey Woody Willie,,
Warning well taken!
Some of us are ready for something other than a "Steely Dan" show, such that it had become.
All that has gotten us recently is half a greatest hits show with F-in Mc Mike.
Some may wish to let locals of Dandom test
these uncharted waters
before spending close to a grand
getting to and from this show.
It's all good but it is going to be something else this time.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:49:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
IMH, these are not shows to travel thousands of miles to see. But it's great to see Donald getting out there and staying out there. He said something in an interview last year about coming to terms with the fact he's a performer. He should do a lot more of this stuff with or without Steely Dan.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:49:51 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
hey, RJ Squirrel...you're near Philly aren't you? Send me an email I have a question...
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:40:10 ET
Posted by: Cuzzint Antny,
Da whole fuggin NYC areas a mess for about fitty miles round it, to doze not use to it. Unless from mebbe from 11 PM to 6 AM da traffic moves about 10-15 miles an hour average. It is worse than LA, cause you ain't got no 6 or 8 lane straight boulevards to jump off onto. If it ain't too much more dough, Albany or Newburgh could save mebbe two, tree hours time. If you go into any NYC metro airport, it will be bout 2 hours to get to the 17 and I-87 split where tings begin ta become civil, ya knoze. Then about an hour, assumin 70 miles per on I-87. But then ya got 20-25 miles windin' from I-87 two lane wit possible bumpah ta bumpah goin to da show an fightin' fa pahkin.
I tink you best be landin in NYC/Newark no later than two or tree PM if youz goin to make da 8 PM show.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:32:26 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Listened to Helm's band earlier and they have a nice sound. That would be disappointing though if Don only sang a few tunes.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:30:26 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Wow....the high in Woodstock will be 32 degrees the first of next month with a low of 15 degrees. That scares the shit out of me.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:29:56 ET
Posted by: Woodstock Willie, Rhinecliff, NY
To everybody that's thinking of coming to see DF at Woodstock please remember one thing before you travel hundreds/thousands of miles:
This is NOT a Steely Dan show. Donald Fagen is being backed up by Amy Helm's band. Not the SD band. The chances of Fagen performing more than two or three SD/Fagen songs is remote. Some of you may be very disappointed if you're looking for a full night of Fagen. This of course, is just my opinion. I only have to drive forty minutes so I'm going.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 16:27:18 ET
Posted by: Cingachkook,
Young squaw right, Newburgh right berg.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 15:27:44 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
If you fly in LGA you'll be on the road for at least two hours trying to get up to Woodstock, and that's leaving out all the city traffic on a weekend. Newark Airport is also a good two hours away, leaving out the traffic going from Jersey to NY. Stewart Airport is an hour away from Woodstock, give or take a few minutes. Trust me on this one!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 15:21:49 ET
Posted by: Wiz,
Newburgh is tryin' hard to be Newark. Every Avis rental car comes with a loaded Glock in the glove compartment and special "drive-by insurance".
Fly into LaGuardia already.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 15:07:33 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Price wise for Newburgh, yes Newark is cheaper, but not by much. And according to the website there are several direct flights from major cities to Newburgh.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 15:03:16 ET
Posted by: KIA of Erase,
Nice site
Check out our fine(thin) line of Korean El Caminos
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 15:02:50 ET
Posted by: Chingachkook,
American flies into Newburgh through Vegas or Philly, who knew? Only time I was in Newburgh I paddled my canoe up to the launch ramp into Hudson River. Good old days. Before Paleface.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:54:18 ET
Posted by: Cuzzin Antny,
Girl M. I agrees with all dat cept the Newburgh Airport far as price and numbah of flights. Newark is a majah hub an is prolly hundreds of bucks cheaper than Newburgh, they has more special reduced fares and has a greatah numbah a flights, in case of snag, capici? Course if youz is filthy rich, Newburgh would be da ticket. In any case, all of youz is gonna need wheels for any deez options, see?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:38:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That piece of crap wouldn't even make it over the Sierras. Oh, how I long for my 64 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance with the handy laminated 8-track with the look of real wood. That was a car...fit four bodies in the trunk real snug-like.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:35:37 ET
Posted by: James Fenimore Cooper,
Newburgh has an airport??????? Who flies in there, Wappinger Falls Airways? Can I connect from my place up in Tupper Lake? Get out my mucklucks, Mable, I'm headin for points south!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:32:08 ET
Posted by: Road trip, Bearsville or bust
How about us west coasters jumping into Rajahs el camino after the SD show on Jan 19 and head across the country.We can swing by and pick up Hoops on the way.We can jump in the back put a tarp over us and go.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:28:23 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Funny, you should ask Fife! I was just doing a little research:
As far as travel and accomadations go, you won't be able to stay in Woodstock proper (Dad was mention something about it being a light with a few stores or something, I don't know what he's saying). But the next town over is Kingston and you can definately find something there, hotel wise. For all of you planning on flying in, for the love of God don't go to the city! Your best bet is to fly to Stewart Airport in Newburgh. That will put you up in the beloved 845 area code and a lot closer to Woodstock than LGA or JFK will put you. Car rentals shouldn't be a problem there, and I could pick up a few friends from the airport, too. Granted, Kingston and Cortlandt Manor aren't sister cities, but I'd be more than happy to do as much chauffering as I can.
Weather wise this area has yet to see a flake of snow! But with the thermometer running up and down and up and down we're lucky we don't have pneumonia. In the mornings the car is frosted over, by 2pm it's not too bad. Supposed to be in the 60's this weekend but of course it's supposed the rain the whole time.
I checked out the website for the Bearsville Theater and apparantly there are two restaurants on the property. I smell a Wingding!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:15:41 ET
Posted by: Fife, A Very Purple Baltimore, eh
GirlMargaret, any suggestion for accommadations?? I'll bring the buttertarts, eh!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:07:12 ET
Posted by: Vinny Boombatz, Nyak
My advise, keep your doors locked and windows rolled up until you're north of Pequannock. There's a package store off the exit, ask for Chooch and slip him a C note when you shake his hand, he'll take care of yuz...
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 14:05:39 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Ah, finally! A show within driving distance! I could go return home and sleep in my own bed for more than two hours, what a treat! I could certainly drive a few people up to the show. Oh what fun!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:51:43 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Sumbitch, DF within driving distance and I'll be in Puerto Rico until the 3rd! Arrrgh.
Hoops, thanks for that post a while back on "lost songs" I will defintely track them down. I still haven't got AIA or The Making Of AJA but I'm getting to it. I don't want to run out of new material or what would I have to look forward to?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:46:37 ET
Posted by: Wizard of Odds,
Before you decide to fly into Newark International Airport PLEASE visit this website...
http://newarknj.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
If you fly into Newark, grab your car and go. Don't go sightseeing, because Newark is one of the worse crime cities in the United States. It's more convienient for travel purposes, but keep in mind that it isn't the greatest place to wander around in.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:38:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Cleveland? Where's that? Somewhere in San Diego County? Oh, THAT Cleveland...haven't been there in 22 years. Now school in Syracuse, that was fun, snowed on September 15 and May 19 one year. I ain't never goin back there. Yo Rag, look here, can you go out and dig the car out for Dad? Take a Bic lighter to heat the cardoor key before forcing it in the lock.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:32:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, it's about 120 miles from Newark to Bearsville but it's pretty much a straight shot up the highway.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:30:11 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, by the time we got to Woodstock....
Rajah - an LA Beachboy by way of Cleveland. C'mon put some snowtreads on that turban and get tough. Half the fun of this show will be seeing who's in the audience. Levon Helm, Todd Rundgren, Robbie Robertson, maybe even Bob Dylan. Should be a blast and a one-off for the ages!
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:29:56 ET
Posted by: Wiz,
Raj, from NYC to Kingston is almost exactly 100 miles. Another 15 to Bearsville. If you rented a car at LaGuardia and hit the Triboro bridge to the Tappan Zee, assuming you didn't leave during rush hour, it should take you no more than 2 1/2 hours to get there. Or if you drive like my brother does it should take no more than 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Best bet is to rent a car at LaGuardia and drive up. Nice scenery and the roads up there are kept pretty clear during the winter.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:27:12 ET
Posted by: No, No, Nooooooo,,
The airport locals use is Newark, NJ. Distance wise it puts you closer to getting on I-87 which is what you want. La Guardia/Kennedy buries you east of the city on Long Island and it might take you 2-3 hours just to drive around the mess just to get to the interstate. Those Long I. airports are only good nowadays if you are taking public transportation into NYC, not for a Danfan trying to get by car to Upstate NY.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:16:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoopsie, c'mon now, as long as you can get to O'Hare or Midway, I promise you good weather in Santa Ynez! Start coughing in class starting Tuesday, by Thursday really lay it on thick, stick cotton up your nose to affect severe congestion.
The Bearsville thing sounds like fun. Problem is it's in the Catskills in February, a bizzillion miles from nowhere between Binghamton, Poughkeepsie, Schenectady and Springfield Mass. It'll take hours to get there from any airport in NYC. I dunno, does the Lakawana railroad still have a line up to the Catskills? What time does the Stage leave from Albany? Maybe you could get a mule team hooked up to a buckboard. Better pack a shotgun, they don't call it Bearsville fer nuthin'.
You could take Metro North to Poughkeepsie then rent a car and drive another 40 miles to Bearsville through the Catskills. Or Amtrak out of the City up to Kingston, about 3.5 hours, then a fifteen mile drive to Bearsville. Or fly into Hartford and drive 140 miles west through the Berkshires, the Hudson River and down to Bearsville.
This sounds like a show for those hearty Eastcoasters, not a beach boy from LA.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:05:58 ET
Posted by: The Wizard,
"Ollabelle" is Amy Helm's band. Here's a YouTube clip of their work...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7C4j4QwCeo&eurl=
And here's their website...
http://www.ollabelle.net/index.html
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 13:00:35 ET
Posted by: Wizard Of Odds,
I think Metro-North only goes as far as Poughkeepsie, which is pretty close to Woodstock. Might be better off renting a car at LaGuardia and driving up. At 4 or 5 people per car it would be pretty cost effective.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 12:58:20 ET
Posted by: Ira S.,
There could be some standards, possibly like the NY Rock and Soul. But I'm also thinking that this roots/gospel angle could be a new direction in which Don might be wanting to experiment by testing it out with the small shows. He might be able to incorporate this Ollabelle or some other lesser known bands to come up with a different sound, while at the same time cutting back on the expensive session players. This new direction, if it is so, could be new and non-derivative and if nothing else interesting.
Visited the Catskills and Woodstock about a year ago and it is like the land that time forgot. It is coming back with lots of little shops and studios but there are no chain type food and lodging accommodations. There are local B&B's and small old motels, both expensive year round. Might find a deal because winter sports are down this year, too warm for snow. Kingston, NY has enough cheap chains to use as a base. This is exciting and might mean a New Frontier in the Steely Dan sound.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 12:54:47 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA dusting of snow
Great news about the DF Show.
What's next that these DanGuys are going to throw at us?
07 is starting off pretty damn good.
Any predictions for setlist...
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 12:34:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, travel desk
It is tempting! Don't we have an avid DanFan in our midst who might be willing to ferry the rest-less of us from NYC to Woodstock?
Thanks to DF, the Happy Day lives on....
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 12:10:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago
What a great opportunity! The show in Woodstock is so tempting because the venue, the uniqueness, not to mention beingon a Saturday. My hunch is we will get an hour or so of Fagen but very unique Fagen. And for Chicagoans, it's $98 round trip over Saturday night to LGA. With cost of a show ticket, it could be done for less than the cost of some of next week's shows. ( I plotted I could fly out there Saturday for noon and go straight back to LGA after the show for the 6 am flight to Chicago.) But the rub is that this place is a two hour schlep from NYC to Woodstock, according to Mapquest. I doubt you can take public transport there either. And then there is the weather which makes it a gamble. And then I'm wondering if there will be similar shows later in the year. To be sure, certain things happen at the first few shows that don't happen later so that is a plus.
Heck, especially because of the weather and job issues, I still have a 25% worry factor on next Friday.
Anyhoo, those are my ramblings and considerations. Special shout-out to Mr. Rag.
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 12:08:59 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, still working (really)
Milo - Yeah, I guess that's wishful thinking. I misread the Yahoo alert below as Walter is a past cohort, not for that evening.
Oh, and I won't be able to bring Tom Brady either because he'll be playing in the Superbowl the next day!
Mark in Patriot Nation
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 11:55:15 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Hey Mark in Boston,
Are you bringing Walter with you?
;)
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 11:36:21 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, at work
Yeah! Superbowl weekend with Don and Walt! Special guest - Tom Brady! Whoo Hoo! Just scored Gold Circle tix for Friday and 9th row center for Saturday. What's shakin in Woodstock?? Anyone have good lodging info for the area?
Mark in Boston
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 11:22:01 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, pondering........
For all you west coasters, Jet Blue has some cheap rates to NY for the weekend of Feb 2.....something to think about.
G
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 10:37:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm thinking Donald and Pheobe will be mixing in some standards along with SD tunes like Pretzel Logic, Black Friday, the blues numbers, maybe What I Do, plus a few solo torch songs by Ms Snow. That first album of hers with Poetry Man was something else.
Rehearsals must be taking place this weekend, anybody got any insider stuff as to where? Vegas mebbe?
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 10:16:34 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Bad joke DC........bad joke
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 10:14:17 ET
Posted by: Fife, Woodstock bound
WHOOHOO!!! Golden tickets and I didn't have to purchase a single Wonka Bar! Who else is game? A Donfest???
Date: Fri, January 12, 2007, 00:32:15 ET
Posted by: DC, On location
Milo, how is it you became a Steely Dan fan? I mean, without a sense of humor and all ...
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 23:56:50 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Holy Sheet!
I think we just crashed the
Bearsville website! So get
those tickets NOW. It looks
like the word is out and those
good seats are going fast. I
mean do you really want to watch
the show behing plexiglass and
listen to the show "piped" in
like the "Cry Room" at a Catholic
church?!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 23:27:08 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Still Standing in Malibu
Oh the West Coast WILL BE THERE!
What a fricken coup! I'm in NY
that week! That's Karma baby!
I'll be going to both nights!
Any thoughts on lodging would be
greatly appreciated. Man, this
is awesome. I thought for sure
Donald would be in Hawaii by then.
Two shows in California in January
and now two in the woods of New York
with a gospel band! What a year 2007
is shaping up to be for Dan Fans!
Bring on the the Creme Ale!!!!!!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 22:46:01 ET
Posted by: Oh Yeah ?,
Who says the west coasters won't be there ?????
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 22:34:42 ET
Posted by: Morton,, Nashua
Hey, I'm there! Whaddya want? WTF, this is an almost ideal situation. You got Fagen, small venue, cheap price, no forced set list "formula", a gospel backup group, proven sound system Don is probably familiar with in order to adjust the instruments. Definitely going to be different no same old, same old. Most importantly, NO McMike! Some people might even end up hoisting a Genessee or two with the Donster?
West Coasters et. al. are probably GREEN with jealousy that they won't be able to attend this one!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 22:32:46 ET
Posted by: The Wizard,
Bill had nothing to do with it.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 22:10:12 ET
Posted by: Chris, pretzel logic
playing shows does not equal selling out
rewriting a song as a commercial jingle is selling out
although DC is probably joking.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 21:54:32 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Hey DC -
Yeah he's doing it for the money. You're a idiot.
Enjoy New Yorkers! Wow, $30 seats! Oh, but wait,
Don's doing it for the money. What a cash cow.
Yeah Don's just a huge sellout. What a bunch of
dickweeds we have on this board.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 21:38:42 ET
Posted by: Looks like,,
NYBill has got to be in on this one. Now is his chance!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 21:26:11 ET
Posted by: Ira Silverstein,, Catskills
So Don is now doing the Borscht Belt circuit? How appropos!
Prolly gonna be a good show. No corporate dictates. Imagine what he could do with a roots/gospel group backing him, B. Sisters, Countermoon, Teahouse, Kings, Show Biz Kids, DEEP CUTS!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 21:24:13 ET
Posted by: DC, On location
Man, Fagen's a fuckin' sellout. What a cash whore.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 20:45:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Just got this Google Alert:
Thursday, January 11, 2007
Steely Dan great to play rare show
Tickets for Donald Fagen at Bearsville Theater are on sale now
By John W. Barry
Poughkeepsie Journal
WOODSTOCK - Grammy Award-winning songwriter Donald Fagen, a Woodstock resident, Bard College alumni and one-half of the legendary rock duo Steely Dan, will on Feb. 2-3 perform rare intimate concerts at the cozy Bearsville Theater on Route 212 in his hometown.
Sharing the bill with Fagen, who along with Steely Dan cohort Walter Becker has sold millions of records, will be the roots-rock-gospel ensemble Ollabelle and Phoebe Snow, a Grammy-nominated vocalist who has performed in the past with Fagen, Jewel, Paul Simon, Billy Joel, Jackson Browne and many others.
Ollabelle will open the show, then serve as the backing band for Fagen and Snow. Fagen will be performing Steely Dan songs. Tickets are on sale now.
Gold Circle tickets, for the first three rows on the floor and first two rows in the balcony, cost $65. Reserved seating tickets cost $45 and tickets for standing room in the theater and the lounge/bar area cost $30. The stage can be seen from the lounge/bar area through large glass windows and sound is piped into the lounge/bar area from the theater.
Tickets can be purchased:
- At the Bearsville Theater Box Office, which is located in the Bearsville Theater complex, on Route 212, several miles west of downtown Woodstock. Call 845-679-4406 or visit http://www.bearsvilletheater.com. for information.
- At the Bear Café, which is also located in the Bearsville Theater complex and can be reached at 845-679-5555.
- Through http://www.wdst.com. WDST (100.1 FM) is a co-promoter of this concert and yet another presence in the Bearsville Theater complex.
The Bearsville Theater has a capacity of about 400 and was built decades ago by the late rock 'n roll impresario Albert Grossman, who was Bob Dylan's manager and a long-time Woodstock resident. The theater was designed by John Storyk of Highland, who also designed Jimi Hendrix's infamous Electric Lady Studios in Manhattan.
This concert is something of a family affair for Fagen. Singer and multi-instrumentalist Amy Helm is a member of Ollabelle and the daughter of Fagen's wife, Libby.
Helm's father is Levon Helm, the former drummer for The Band, actor and long-time Woodstock resident who is enjoying a major resurgence thanks to his "Rambles," Saturday night concerts held at his Woodstock recording studio. Fagen has performed at Helm's Rambles on more than one occasion.
Fagen in December received a Grammy nomination for his most recent solo album, "Morph the Cat." Steely Dan was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in March 2001.
According to The Band website, Fagen, Snow and Amy Helm in July 1999 performed at the Bearsville Theater as guests of Levon Helm and the Classic Blues Band.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 20:41:06 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Carlton,
That was an interesting article, thanks for posting.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 19:43:51 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, "SD rental" story
Rajah,
Back in the heady Silicon Valley days... A VP of the company I was at (another huge SD fan) tried to get the illustrious duo to play at our Christmas bash.
Apparently he was told that Becker and Fagen don't play Northern California in the winter. (I guess Friant doesn't count?)
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 19:04:42 ET
Posted by: BIG DADDY TOTO, OZ
Philippe of France wuz right it wuz Cheryl Lynn backin on Georgy Porgy a big fine sistah wit da big voice who also Got to Be Real wit her own big hit.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 18:05:58 ET
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Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 17:37:19 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore, where purple lights abound
Alrighty then, everyone empty your pockets and let's see how much moola we've got. Here's my 60 bucks!! MMM perhaps a superball lottery might be just the ticket!
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 17:22:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This article seems particularly appropos:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-private11jan11,0,2873531.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 17:11:37 ET
Posted by: Second Arranger, On location
Has anyone see any scanned online versions of the (supposedly previously un-seen) Steely pictures on the inside of "Steely Dan: The Definitive Collection"?
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 17:08:11 ET
Posted by: George Carlin,
http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/56259/
Listen for the Steely Dan reference a the 5 minute 18 second mark.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 15:23:08 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
FYI - FRIANT IS NOW ALSO SOLD OUT.
CONGRATS TO THE BOYS! Two sold out venues with
short notice ticket sales. What a nice way to
start the "2007 Heavy Rollers tour"! Way to show
the love California.
"2007 Heavy Rollers Tour" - You know that tour
that many said was just a figment of our imagination.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 15:03:57 ET
Posted by: Carlton Lawrence,
Has anyone read this article?
It's a good one discussing that great SD sound:
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15074
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 14:57:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'm going to have to since I shaved my head the other night, that's how excited I am. Maybe the spousal unit and I can get in disguised as Boris and Natasha...
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 14:49:23 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Wear your Khaki Turban
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 14:41:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No chance of crashing the NATPE Conference, you have to be a card-carrying member, vendor, TV star or Mandalay maintenance crew.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, strait outta Compton and fresh as a pair of Brothas outta surgery, here they are, two of the biggest TV stars of the 70s, you'll remember them as the neighbors down the hall from George and Weezie Jefferson, on the scene like a sex machine, booyaa-kaasha, it's STEELY DAN!!!!!!"
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 12:24:39 ET
Posted by: And now ladies gents, StEEEEEY Dan
The band walks out.Followed by Donald and Walter.Donald sits down at the piano. Whaaaaaat......Whaaaaat. Someone yells Free bird. They break into Time out of Mind.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 12:18:44 ET
Posted by: Craig B, 9 days...
So, Rajah can your friend x3 sneak you in there?
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 11:52:38 ET
Posted by: Good evening, ladies and germs
They just flew in from the east coast and are there arms tired. Mr.Steely who..... whatever
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 11:44:44 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
"Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen. For nearly 35 years their songs have had more cryptic messages than an episode of CSI. And like many in the room tonight, they once worked for ABC, switched to the WB, but now "off the record" they are "entertaining options". Ladies and Gentleman Mr. Steely Dan and whatever."
Rajah,
I always figured it would be the 15th. People start to leave conventions after the first day.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 11:39:37 ET
Posted by: WRONG, AGAIN
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 10:52:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Here's what I've found out about this NAPTE Conference private gig: look s like it's for real. My source? A friend of a friend has a friend(!) who is introducing the band at the conference. It looks like it may be Monday the 15th, the opening day of the festivities in Las Vegas at Mandalay Bay. The Conference goes from 10 AM to 6 PM that day. My friend was asked to come up with a two-line introduction for Steely Dan. That's what I know and what I believe to be true. So take it away, Mr. Truth...
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 09:44:37 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, revising the birthday phrasing thing...
Hey HeyMike,
Gosh, it WOULD seem I'm "dissin'" the first three on Donald's "same-as-me-Birthday list," but I assure you, pard, that mediocrity jab was only aimed at Rod...I don't know if I've ever bought or tuned in anything he's done without the Faces on purpose; however, if you're a fan, I'll admit: I hardly ever turn him off when he DOES pop up on one of my channels, and that's pretty often.
And "Maggie Mae" is still one of my best-sounding strummers, when I pull out the wooden axe I like to carry around...selah.
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 02:55:07 ET
Posted by: Philippe, Pau France
Hi everyone and happy and healthy new year to you all.
For the Toto trivia, I would say that Sheryl Linn was the background singer.
France is the country where the Toto guys
have the best records's sales , in the world.I saw them many times, only one with Jeff Porcaro sadly and now Greg Philinganes is their keyboard player.
Philippe
Date: Thurs, January 11, 2007, 01:35:32 ET
Posted by: suedave, snowbound
It's still January 10th in my timezone so Happy Birthday Donald! I hope you get whatever you want for your b-day.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 23:32:35 ET
Posted by: Vintner,, pressing room
Gretchen-Was that Vega "Sindoa" or Vega "Sinaloa"-a Mexican state containing Mazatlan? Since you were sipping, maybe the "l" merged with the "a" to seem like a "d"? Some decent wines and tequila come out of western Mexico.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 23:17:54 ET
Posted by: Bob,
BIG DADDY TOTO - I can't even guess! Who is it?? I love that song!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 23:04:14 ET
Posted by: BIG DADDY TOTO , Oz
If ya likes da DAN, ya gots ta like TOE-TOE. (The Porcaro bro's)
Georgy Porgy (extended 12 inch mix) wuz da bomb in da clubs, as wuz Waitin fo yo Luv, member dat one?
For 30 points, who be da female backup singah on Georgy Porgy?
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 22:58:34 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Raj and Dan
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 21:49:30 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
On the wine front Gretchen, I was shopping the other day at my local liquor store and came across a bottle of cab sauv from Becker Vineyards, bottled out of believe it or not...Fredericksburg, Texas. One of the few quaint little towns in this vast state. Not one of your fine Cali wines, but the name had me intrigued. Since I don't have 11 TOW I popped in AIA and at least can get Book of Liars going. And it's taste ok. Wonder if Walter has an interest in wineries???
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 21:10:33 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, in the Kitchen
While I'm on another culinary adventure, I'm listening to a copy of Toto's debut album which I found in the $1 bin at Amoeba this past weekend. This little forgotten gem sounds fabulous!! Especially good to hear after many, many years are "Girl Goodbye," "Georgie Porgie" and "I'll Supply the Love." This 70's girl is in heaven!
For all of my Chumash friends heading out next week, I'm sipping a very nice cabernet, Vega Sindoa, 2002.
G
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 19:43:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Dan, that album is so screwed up it's incredible. And yet, it still holds together somehow.
Yes, LWO, to be a native Clevelander is to suffer, you have no idea.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 19:16:22 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
Listen to the remastered versions of Black Friday and Bad Sneakers on the Definitive Collection set released a few months ago. The sound is much better than on the last remaster of the entire album. It's much warmer, but still keeps bass and treble tones clear and sharp.
The worst offender of sound quality on the album in my opinion is Doctor Wu. There's a wicked high pitch whine on the right channel, especially if you have your treble turned up on your sound system. It's a shame--that song is too gorgeous and perfect otherwise!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 18:52:51 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Happy birthday, Mr. Fagen. Thank you for your wonderful music.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 18:27:41 ET
Posted by: Robert, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
My best Frank memory was when my uncle John took me for a ride in his new blue convertible Cadillac. He loaded an 8-track tape of Frank and we cruised down the road. It was so cool.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2006, ET
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, On All Continents
Happy Birthday, Donald Fagen!
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Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 16:47:23 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Nice story LWO...in fact I went to see Frank with my mother because my Dad wouldn't go. He didn't like Sinatra...thought he was mob...imagine that. I agree with you Raj, his music with Riddle arranging is his best. The 50's standards are by far my favorites.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 16:29:49 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Where it is nevah 66 degrees
Birthdays and Frank...well, I've got a story, too. My mom and her two older sisters adored him and so, of course, I was raised hearing all the standards. And I remember I thought it was cool that he would record with his daughter in the late '60's. But my real connection with Frank is that he died on my 40th birthday. That night, my mom and I sat up all night watching restrospectives of his life.
His last words allegedly were, "I'm losing." It's funny, in a way I always kind of thought that when his life ended, my life began.
Hey, Raj, I found this passage in an article discussing this week's playoff games and thought of you:
"By the way, how would you like to be a Clevelander watching football this month? One former Browns coach, Schottenheimer, has the best team in the league; another former Browns coach, Belichick, has a three-time Super Bowl champion eyeing its fourth title; the team formerly known as the Browns, Baltimore, hosts a playoff game this weekend; and with the national title on the line for the state university of Ohio, Cleveland native Troy Smith had the worst game of his life and fellow Clevelander Ted Ginn, Jr. got hurt. Just one more month in the life of the most tortured sports town in America."
The weather forecast for Chumash sounds divine! So does the guest list.
Happy Birthday, Mr. Fagen!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:51:23 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, hel LA
Happy birthday Donald, you're still the sexiest man alive!!
xoxoxo
G
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:42:53 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
Rajah - I was fortunate enought to catch Frank at Chastain Park Amphitheater about 15 years ago or so. Great, great show! Don Rickles opened for him and he was hysterical! Rickles came back out to mess with Frank toward the end of the show. Which got me to thinking - with political correctness having run amok, can you imagine Rickles just now getting his start? Not sure he could do today what he started back in the day.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:19:53 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Interesting NPR interview with D&W from 2003:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1383222
Click on "Hear an extended version of Steve Inskeep's interview
with Walter Becker and Donald Fagen."
If you haven't heard it, give it a listen.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:13:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
HouDanFan - Anybody who was lucky enough to see Frank sing live should cherish that experience. He was the first real pop star. But so much more than that, he was a musician's musician, Never trained, he could barely follow the vocal chart but he had an ear that is the stuff of legend. He recorded a lot of sessions at what is now the Channel 9 TV studio in Hollywood on Bevery Blvd. It had a great basement echo chamber built below it, a cement basement with a mic in it. I had the privilege of knowing his late pianist of 30+ years, a guy named Bill Miller, who died last year. Bill had a house in Glendale that had a grand piano in the living room and he told me stories of how Frank would be at a session and if there was an oboe playing flat in a forty man band, he could pick it out and sound off about it. The thing with Frank's music at its best is it has a whole lot of space in it. Miller told me he liked to sing behind a very sparse arrangement, he liked a lot of silence. Play less he told his guys constantly. Nelson Riddle was the perfect arranger for Frank, he understood this. Go out and get Songs for Swingin Lovers and A Swingin Affair and marvel at his mastery.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:13:36 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Happy birthday Donald! I am glad you were born.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 15:04:50 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, these suburban streets
Hey All,
Happy Birthday to our own Bad Santa, ol' Saint Donald!
Good company, too...Rod Stewart (well, mediocre company), Frank Sinatra Jr., Aynsley Dunbar...
dissin' Rod and Dunbar??
Happy Birthday Donnie!
I have the image of Hoops wingding poster with the boys in party hats today!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 14:40:15 ET
Posted by: Dr. Neil Frank, CA Dreamin'
So, for all of you lucky enough to make the Chumash trek next week, I just checked out the weather forecast for next weekend: Highs 63-66; Lows 38-40; low humidity, partly to mostly sunny, new moon.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 14:28:41 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I was fortunate to have seen Sinatra live in 1974 backed by the Woody Hermann Orchestra. What a show that was. I was still somewhat of a rocker at the time, but seeing that show got me more interested in jazz music, particularly after hearing Hermann perform. I thought I read where he was a big Steely Dan fan as well and recorded some of there songs.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 14:25:58 ET
Posted by: Dan/Don Fiend, Chi
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DONALD!!!!
-Toya
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 13:52:28 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DONALD FAGEN!!!!!
I had a weird Steely Dan dream last night. I was at the most random of Steely Dan concerts in a theater in Poughkeepsie with my parents when all of a sudden Don and Walt leave the stage and all the musicians grab a mike and start singing something along the lines of a Broadway showtune. They form a line going across the theater and start walking towards the back, where we were standing (most people were sitting at tables). Keith Carlock is standing two feet from me, singing, and I'm trying to get his attention but he kept looking at the girl sitting next to me. That was a weird ass dream.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 13:08:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Craig, the best I can explain what's wrong with Katy Lied is that when I juice up the treble in my car or on my equilizer at home, nothing happens. This record is stuck. I wonder what could be done with a remastering in DVD-A format.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 12:03:35 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
I’ve read on the Blue that the sound on Katy Lied was "muddy" Could someone out there give me some examples.
I’m listening but not hearing.
Thanks
Happy BD to DF
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 11:58:20 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Also Pat Benatar, Ronnie Hawkins, Jimmy Vivino and Michael Schenker.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 11:45:53 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Got a couple more, here
Horror director Walter Hill, Jim Croce, Linda Lovelace, and George Foreman...! These are just the few that are familiar to me, y'know. Good company, no?
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 11:43:21 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Birthday Rambler
Stephen Ambrose, Sal Mineo...
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 11:39:14 ET
Posted by: bobbo, in the Birthday Zone
Hey All,
Happy Birthday to our own Bad Santa, ol' Saint Donald!
Good company, too...Rod Stewart (well, mediocre company), Frank Sinatra Jr., Aynsley Dunbar...
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 11:10:04 ET
Posted by: me, here
http://www.imdb.com/OnThisDay?day=10&month=January
I never heard of the other people born on the same day as DF.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 10:47:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ann honey, any Frank is good but if you want to get started on the right foot, get these 2 albums from the early fifties: In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning and Songs for Swingin' Lovers.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 08:40:53 ET
Posted by: Shoeless Jenkins,
Hey what do you want Bobby, it was 2am. Now do us a favor and search through all those spam emails for spelling errors willya? That should keep you busy for a while...
Happy 59th Birthday Donald Fagen!
(Notice I didn't jump on OldBunny for getting his age wrong. That would have been a childish Bobby move.)
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 08:28:53 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DONALD FAGEN
Steely Dan co-founder and keyboardist Donald Fagen celebrates his 58th birthday today (January 10th). Born in Passaic, New Jersey, Fagen met his future collaborator, guitarist-bassist Walter Becker, when they were both students at Bard College in New York in the 1960s. The duo began playing in bands together and later started composing songs. In 1970 they joined Jay Black & the Americans, performing under assumed names.
* After leaving the group in 1971, they were signed as songwriters for ABC/Dunhill Records. Producer Gary Katz hired them and suggested they assemble a band to record their songs, and in 1972 Steely Dan was formed. The group took its name from a sex toy mentioned in William Burroughs' classic novel Naked Lunch.
* Steely Dan's first album, Can't Buy A Thrill, spawned the hits "Reelin' In The Years" and "Do It Again." The group went on to release the hit albums Countdown to Ecstasy and Pretzel Logic, which yielded the hits "My Old School" and "Rikki Don't Lose That Number," respectively.
* In 1975, Steely Dan decided to stop touring and become a studio-based group, and Fagen and Becker replaced their band with a variety of session musicians. From 1975 to 1980, they released the albums Katy Lied, The Royal Scam, Aja, and Gaucho, which spawned such hits as "Black Friday," "Kid Charlemagne," "Peg," "Deacon Blues," "Josie," and "Hey Nineteen."
* With Aja, Steely Dan's sound moved in a jazzy direction, and the group's recordings featured guitarists Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour, and Mark Knopfler; saxophonists Tom Scott, David Sanborn, Wayne Shorter, Phil Woods, and Ernie Watts; keyboardist Joe Sample; drummer Jeff Porcaro; trumpeter Randy Brecker; and singers Patti Austin and Michael McDonald, among others.
* In 1981, Fagen and Becker went their separate ways, and the following year Fagen released his debut solo album, The Nightfly, which included the hit "I.G.Y." He did not release any more albums for the rest of the decade, but did contribute songs to a few films and wrote a column for the film magazine Premiere. In the early '90s he toured with the collective the New York Rock and Soul Revue, which also included Michael McDonald, Phoebe Snow, Boz Scaggs, and Becker, who joined the group in 1992.
* Becker produced Fagen's 1993 album, Kamakiriad, and that year Fagen and Becker decided to tour together for the first time in nearly 20 years; Alive In America, a live album recorded during that very successful tour, was released in 1995. Two years later, the duo began work on a new Steely Dan album, Two Against Nature, which was released in 2000, and earned them a Grammy. After touring together again they released Everything Must Go in 2003.
* Fagen returned to the studio in 2005 to record his third solo set Morph The Cat, which was released last year and featured the hit single, "H Gang." Fagen told LAUNCH that some of the song, which tells the story of a band with a not-so-happy ending, was inspired by his experiences with Steely Dan partner Walter Becker: ["Well, you know, maybe there's a little bit of what happened to Walter and I in that story. You know, I think it's also kind of a mock sentimentality. You know, it starts out with this sort of idealistic people who start a band and ends with, uh, in my mind at the end they make this move of the life of the band. In my mind it was a terrible movie."] SOUNDCUE (:20 OC: . . . a terrible movie.)
* Happy Birthday, Donald Fagen!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 06:04:02 ET
Posted by: Bob Crawford,
"anamoly"--duhhhhhhhh! what a maroon!
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 01:15:06 ET
Posted by: suedave, standing in Seattle
Bravo Bullgoose, bravo. Actually, you just received a standing ovation from Seattle!
About 10 years ago I went to a Sheryl Crow show just before her second CD was released. She played guitar, piano, bongos, and all sorts of other musical instruments - it was a cool show to see because this woman who was a real musician, capable of playing multiple instruments, composing, singing, and leading her band. I saw her several years later - she had gotten big and had hired out most of the musical parts to professionals but the shows weren't nearly as much fun to watch. Worse yet, I think she forgot a lot of what she used to know. But when it comes down to it, it's the composition upon which everything is built that trumps it all in music. Unless of course, you're taking Frank's ability to deliver - which I'm willing to give a try to since I'm going thru a listening phase where the 30's and the 40's are tops. In between the SD of course.
Date: Wed, January 10, 2007, 01:07:48 ET
Posted by: Shoeless Jenkins,
Well, either your chatroom isn't workin' worth a damn or you just kicked me out Jimmy. I was right in the middle of annoying someone and get kicked out. Let's try to correct that anamoly shall we?
Love,
Shoeless
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 23:57:29 ET
Posted by: Jenny, Fredneck, Md
Ann, go on the green NOW
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 23:40:53 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Raj.....that mean nose in Borneo lingo...average!!
Dynasty: Originally F***wit, but towards the end, the BinLaden one, hence my exit. Don and Walt could write a smasher about the story!!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 19:37:46 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
Needless to say, this weekend I'll be putting my grubby little hands on tix to the May show here in O-town.
Let me make a little speculation/suggestion here, too. They play Orlando on May 12. The week before that is Sunfest, a four day event down in West Palm Beach capable of hosting many, many Danfans and a great venue for the band. I hope that someone, either on the band's end or on the Sunfest end, has put two and two together and realized what a perfect fit the festival would be for Steely Dan.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 18:01:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ann, really, how big was his schwantzstooker and what dynasty was he from?
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 17:41:47 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
RAJAH:
Easy that one!!
My ex2 is Pharonic Egyptian.
:-)
Ann
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 16:06:28 ET
Posted by: Scott in KC,
Yeah, it must have been from the Plush DVD. Although at the end, the XM announcer again said it was recorded at New York's Beacon Theater. Pleasant surpise on a Tues. afternoon.
Set list:
Green Earrings
Cousin DuPree
Bad Sneakers
Janie Runaway
Josie
FM
Gaslighting Allie
Black Friday
Babylon Sisters
Kid Charlemagne
Pretzel Logic
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 15:52:10 ET
Posted by: JH,
They are playing the 2000 Plush DVD
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 15:44:02 ET
Posted by: Scott In KC,
You're right. I thought the announcer said it was recorded at the Beacon but I must have misheard. Maybe it's from Jones Beach, cause DF made a comment about Bad Sneakers being a NYC tune. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's from the Y2K tour. I'll post the set list when it's done.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 15:30:50 ET
Posted by: What?,
Scott...
SD never played the Beacon in 2000. Actually, SD never played the Beacon period.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 15:11:33 ET
Posted by: Scott in KC,
Live SD on XM Cafe right now. 2000 show from the Beacon.
Hey there Geoff, Pete, LWO and everyone else.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 14:54:04 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, remembering good ol' Sneaky Pete
Wow, he really WAS a big 'un, in the country rock genre...of course, Poco is near to my poor Texas heart, but also Ronsdadt, and (unmentioned before), Billy Joel's first album, PIANO MAN...he'll be missed, and I'm gonna spin HEART LIKE A WHEEL right now. Selah. R.I.P.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 14:28:55 ET
Posted by: ,
Connie?
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 14:15:05 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard
Flying Burrito Brothers guitarist dies in Petaluma
SAN FRANCISCO - "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow, a steel guitar prodigy who rose to fame as one of the original members of the Flying Burrito Brothers, has died. He was 72.
Kleinow, who also worked in film as an award-winning animator and special effects artist, died Saturday at a Petaluma convalescent home near the skilled nursing facility where he had been living with Alzheimer's disease since last year, his daughter Anita Kleinow said.
During a musical career that spanned six decades, Kleinow helped define the country-rock genre in the late 1960s and 1970s by taking the instrument he had picked up as a teenager in South Bend, Ind., to California.
His prowess with the pedal steel guitar influenced a generation of rock 'n' rollers, including the Eagles, the Steve Miller Band and Poco.
Besides co-founding the Burrito Brothers with the Byrds' Chris Hillman and Gram Parsons in 1968, he enjoyed a steady gig as a session musician, recording with such singer-songwriters as John Lennon, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt and Joni Mitchell and bands as varied as the Bee Gees and Sly and the Family Stone.
Kleinow played and recorded regularly with Burrito Deluxe, a band he founded in 2000 following the rebirth of alt-country music and fronted until he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. His last recording with the group is scheduled to be released next month, said Brenda Cline, the band's manager.
Kleinow also won acclaim as an animator, special effects artist and director of commercials in television and film. His credits ranged from the original "Gumby" series - he wrote and performed the theme music as well as designed cartoons - and the relaunched "The Twilight Zone" to the movies "Under Siege," "Fearless" and "The Empire Strikes Back." He won an Emmy award in 1983 for his work on the miniseries, "The Winds of War."
Kleinow is survived by his wife of 54 years, Ernestine; his daughters, Anita and Tammy; and three sons, Martin, Aaron and Cosmo.
Plans for a memorial service to be held in Joshua Tree later this month are pending.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 14:10:19 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Lucky Guy
She sounds sharper than some people I know at half the age. Tunes + slots great combo.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 13:19:17 ET
Posted by: One lucky guy, to have a mom like that
Yeah when I told her I was going to SD this month.She said didnt you just go see them a few times last year.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 13:12:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wow, plays yhe slots and grooves on tunes. It's probably the secret of her longevity.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 13:10:13 ET
Posted by: Overlord Of The Underworld, canned heat
KUFU wants his posts back or he's gonna destroy the earth at 3pm EST.
Nosebleeder is the bomb and Bill is the warhead!
You have 2 hours to comply.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 13:03:47 ET
Posted by: She still, listens to music
Still goes and pulls those one arm bandits at the casinos.And still asks me about about what concerts I am going to. and of course I say SD on the 19 of Jan.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 13:01:31 ET
Posted by: bobbo, revelling in so much discussion
Hey Fellas,
Thanks so much Bill for the Graydon interview, that is very enlightening! And Bloody Nose Man, when NYBill absconds from association from you, poor kid, you are LOST in this board, too-bad-so-sorry and all...
Raj, I LOVE the "late" recordings from Mr. Blue Eyes; of course, a favorite of mine is the George Strait duet on "Fly Me to the Moon," you'll understand and forgive a poor old Plainsman, right?
I DO plan to hang early at the Chumash on showday, and if there's a rehearsal, I plan to hear a note or a dozen, of course...just spoke to Hat2Flat on the phone, and he's planning to be in attendance, but has a bit of that old "dusty North Texas flu," so prayers (to Walter, more than likely) and general Good Wishes his way...I hope he took my advice on the humidifier, a device which every home our way has in its cupboard for late Winter usage...it is "dry" out here for only a couple months of the year, but LOOK OUT--if you're not acclimated to it, or you travel frequently to other climes, it'll "getcha."
I'm hoping someone is up to a LATE NIGHT GET-TOGETHER THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SHOW, though...I'll be at the "Windmill Days Inn," in Solvang, just ask for Bobby Brown (and the first Zappa reference will get you an "instant black eye," so sorry)!
Only nine days to liftoff, and I'm scared to no end...hope California's got a nurturing vein in its repertoire, as I'll need it by 10pm next Thursday...! Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:57:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Does she still listen to music?
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:56:30 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Hey RR Jas:
SAMMY HAGAR HUMBLED BY VAN HALEN'S ELECTION TO ROCK HALL
Sammy Hagar has never been the shy, retiring type, but the official announcement that he'd been elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Van Halen knocked him back on his heels. Hagar's been staying and playing at his Cabo Wabo Cantina in Mexico since the holidays, but when he got the official word yesterday (January 8th), he was humbled. Hagar called in from Cabo San Lucas to share his feelings with LAUNCH: ["This is such an honor. You know, I've got a Grammy, I've got an American Music Award, I've got, you know, three MTV Video (Music) Awards, and, you know, all the Number One records in the world, and, you know, 60 million-plus records on my wall, gold and platinum albums on my wall. And this is the last one. This is the honor that says, 'AND you deserved it,' you know? I love it."] SOUNDCUE (:20 OC: . . . I love it.)
* Hagar is planning to attend the ceremony on March 12th at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City, where he'll be inducted alongside guitarist Eddie Van Halen, drummer Alex Van Halen, former bassist Michael Anthony, and original lead singer David Lee Roth, who is rumored to be back with the group for a summer tour. There's been no word yet on whether they will all perform together.
* The rest of the Class Of 2007 includes R.E.M., Patti Smith, early rappers Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, and the girl group the Ronettes.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:49:52 ET
Posted by: Mom turns 100 yrs old Jan 27, Eugene Oregon
I wonder if SD could play at this party? She is quite a trooper even at 100.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:05:40 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
With Van Halen being inducted(finally), who shows up? Dave or Sammy or both.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:02:28 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEZC_trUPA
Rocket Queen from 12/19/06
About 4:40, Axl shaking hands and being friendly.
About 5:05, random hottie shaking boobs and being friendly.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 12:01:01 ET
Posted by: K J,
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2007:
To be inducted:
R.E.M.
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
The Ronettes
Patti Smith
Van Halen
Rejected:
The Stooges
Joe Tex
The Dave Clark Five
Chic
Ahmet Ertegun will also be honored.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:57:10 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island
If Rock-n-roll ever had a consummate asshole (and it has PLENTY), Axl Rose would have to be in the top 3! As far as I know, it was Stephanie Seymour's only flaw.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:43:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
As a singer, Axyl is a great screamer and stage sprinter. What a total poser, Rocky. I had the misfortune to attend a GnR show in Vegas last century with Soundgarden as opening act. Now that guy from Soundgarden could sing, what a baritone, if only he'd busted out, "Lady is a Tramp," he'dda scored big.
Hatsheput, the lady Pharoah who dressed like a man had bigger stones than Khufu who left us the Great Pyramid as a testament to his substandard schweener!
OK, somebody connect Steely Dan and ancient Egypt, quick...
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:27:05 ET
Posted by: Roger, Visalia
Two tickets available to Table Mountain/Friant/Fresno. Left VIP, row H, seats 7, 8, 9, 10. Email me. No added costs, just cost recovery.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:25:34 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
W1P, Not being able to tell the level of sarcasm in your post, I have to say, after seeing Axl Rose and the new GNR last month at Univerasl, Axl is back. Welcome to the Jungle at 11:40 and Paradise City at 2:15. 5 songs from the eventual release "Chinese Democracy." The voice is strong, he seems to be a bit humbled by the time off, and 3 serious guitarists that made me forget about the guy in the top hat.
Jason
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:09:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
...and I think we can all be grateful for that.
Amonhotep would clean Kufu's clock any day of the dynasty.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 11:04:14 ET
Posted by: W1P, New Jersey Indiana
Sinatra is OK, but he's no Axl Rose
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 10:57:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'd take Sinatra singing in front of comb and wax paper with kazzoo over just about anybody. Even toward the end when he'd lost much of his range, he did more with a half octave than Celine can do with four.
Speakin of Frankie, (yes, again) the Sweet interview of Jay Graydon reminds me that the great Johnny Mandel did the string arrangement for "FM." That was a big time movie theme song. If you don't know who the guy is, think of some of the great things he did for songs like, "Shadow of Your Smile," from the movie, "Sandpipers," "Suicide is Painless," the theme from MASH, the Unforgettable record by Natalie Cole and Sinatra's "Ring-a-Ding-Ding," record with great string-enhanced renditions of "Let's Face the Music and Dance," "You'd Be So Easy to Love," "ZING Went the Strings of My Heart," and the transcendant, "In the Still of the Night."
The so-called, "double stop bending," that Graydon refers to is what makes the Peg solo sound Hawaiian and it was nice he credited the very underrated Amos Garrett, he of "Midnight at the Oasis," fame for the idea. Garrett lives and still does dates. Midnight is a very silly song but that guitar work is performed and recorded in a way that evokes the setting of a desert pool surrounded by palms. I need a nice copy of that on vinyl.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 08:59:15 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
I might have 1 extra ticket for Fresno, it's
in the VIP section Row 9 from the stage, center.
Will know by thursday.
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 00:42:17 ET
Posted by: Nose-tradamus, evening mass
NEW YORK - They bombarded 911 with calls, crowded the sidewalks in front of evacuated buildings and tuned to the news for word of what was happening. The question on the minds of many New Yorkers on Monday morning was: "What's that smell?"
-------------------------------------------------
High above Manhattan town
What floats and has a shape like that
Fans like us who watch the skies
We know its Morph the Cat
Gliding like a big blue cloud
From Tomkins Square to Upper Broadway
Beyond the park to Sugar Hill
Stops a minute for a latte’
He oozes down the heating duct
Swims like seaweed down the hall
He briefly digs your wiggy pad
And seeps out through the wall
All watch the skies for Morph the Cat
Date: Tues, January 09, 2007, 00:40:55 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home from hospital bonalbo
Thanks, Bobbo. Your vibe is always as warm as the seat of an Arizona out house at midnight on July 4.
I heard Johnny Cash's version of Get Rhythm the other day and was struck by how much better Ry Cooder's version is. This, of course, leads to Ring Of Fire, which hasn't been covered by Ry or Steely Dan, but, without fail, that song makes me leer, smirk and giggle.
The Arizona out house, to me, suggests chili, which suggests Ring of Fire, and I leer, smirk and giggle again. Firemen like their chilis. Recently an Aussie fireman was heard to exclaim: "I OD'd on the chilis last night: my ring looks like the Japanese flag."
Now, to raise the tone a tad, or maybe just for the hell of it, I'd like to address the alarming characterisation of D and W as 'shoppers' and Paris Hiltons.
Which of the following would you prefer?
The person behind you in a WalMart queue bursts into a moving and technically stupendous a capella rendition of Danny Boy.
The person behind you in a Wal mart queue bursts into a moving and technically stupendous a capella rendition of his/her own song, which is musically sublime, but lyrically puerile.
The person behind you in a Wal Mart queue bursts into a moving and technically stupendous a capella rendition of his/her own song, which has very clever lyrics.
The person behind you in a WalMart queue does a moving and technically stupendous karaoke of your favourite song backed with the original recording, minus the vocals.
The person behind you (Wal Mart etc) does the karoake thing with no particular technical ability but a truly unique voice. (the spanky rattle of a proud and lively horse farting)
The person...sings a song from another culture. The tone is lovely. It looks and sounds frightfully tricky. You don't savvy the words and can't whistle the tune.
The checkout line in WalMart is treated to entertainment: An enthusiastic young band perform an Oasis song note for note.
Same setting. A greybald bunch of jazzbos play the bejeesus out of that Oasis song.
Same setting. The same dessicated jazz prunes play the bejeesus out of a spontaneous improvisation.
Ditto setting. Frank Sinatra, backed by the local elementary school reject stage band, sings the bejeesus out of The Lady Is A Tramp. The band, however, wouldn't swing if you hung it on a hook.
Down at WalMart, The Nelson Riddle orchestra rips through The Lady Is A Tramp like corn through a goose. Frank, however, is twenty years past his use- by. He swings, but only within a creaky four note range.
A hot looking singer performs a song she didn't write, in an arrangement she had nothing to do with. She is backed by a pick up band of masterful players who read the dots perfectly.
A hot looking singer performs a song she didn't write, in an arrangement she had nothing to do with. She is backed by a pick up band of masterful players, who, after a quick glance at the charts, provide sublime and original backing.
A pair of skeevy-looking librarians on acid perform a song of their own composition: it's their own arrangement. The lead voice is unique, if somewhat alarming. The harmonies are angelic. The words are idiosyncratic, but full of wit. By the time the second chorus comes around you can sing along with it. The sound is rich and different.The band play from charts, but a guitarist/sax player cuts loose. Dark glasses abound.
A big name band from the 70s/80s/or 90/s plays the mall. The WalMart customers are at once pleased by all the free entertainment and testy because the check out has become a mosh pit and the frozen foods are in melt down. The band has still got it: they're not the world's greatest musos, and the guitarist couldn't really shred cheddar, but they're certainly tight and convinving playing their old hits.
Of course there's no right or wrong answer, but, as a musician, and as a listener, I would prefer some of these alternatives over others. I value a recording more if the person with their face on the cover is responsible for more than just the singing. The more things that person does, (but only if they are done very well) the more I appreciate them. With steely dan you get a lyrical, compositional, musical, textural, and even hifi worldview. That gives them a lot of ticks with me. Yes, they shop for players, but the idea of two guys playing all those instruments and singing all those harmonies simultaneously smacks of circus, and the way Dand W offer players combinations of the leash, the whip, the open gate and even the pregnant pause is itself a deliberate arrangement of sound, ie music making.
Take away Giant Steps and Naima and I prefer Coltrane playing other people's music.
Bobby McFerrin singing Moondance makes Van Morrison sound like he's singing the song for a joke, but then again, nobody can sing Ring of Fire like Johnny Cash - probably because he's the only one who doesn't burst out laughing. Great players aren't necessarily good writers, and we know the reverse holds true. Don and walt have proved they can do plenty things plenty good and therefore I appreciate them plenty.
I know plenty of people dig steely dan because the music reminds them of being whacked out in the 70's, but it changed; it grew. There's more to appreciate, and isn't that wonderful?
All the best, and happy shopping, NYB, you East River Bull ant you.
Hey Ann
I always get a real kick out of reading Brian Sweet's book, and certainly found out stuff I'd have never learned otherwise. To me, it's worth it for the Jerome Aniton stuff alone.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 18:59:15 ET
Posted by: Chri, nh
Bill from Pittsburgh - that is an amazing interview. Thanks so much for posting that. Brian Sweet must have a few more like that, it'd be nice to see them.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 18:36:10 ET
Posted by: NYB,
Huh? How did I get dragged into this? But if you must know, there is absolutely no way I would EVER get involved with those Jurist/Titus mountain people. I have a little story about that...
I used to have a fried who lived outside of Woodstock in the little town of Psychokiller, New York. Anyway, I went up there a few years back for a visit, stayed for a few weeks, and really began to develop a fondness for Psychokiller. It was my kind of town... Anyhow, one day my buddy Alice and I were sitting out on the dock fishing for diamondback rattlers when I said, "Hey Alice, you know of a Jurist family up here?". Alice didn't say a word. He just stared at me, his eyes as wide as the moon. "Don't ever mention that name up here again okay?", Alice said with an earnestness beset by fear. "Huh?", I said, "What's up with the Jurists?".
Alice began to spin a tale of UFO's, pentagrams, dog barbeques, cannibalism, and Easter egg hunting. It was hard to keep up, but the general gist of the tale was that the Jurists were bad, REALLY BAD, and that the simple mention of their name in Psychokiller was enough to cause something beyond disastrous to happen. Alice explained that Psychokiller was a peaceful town, and he and his neighbors wanted to keep it that way, and one way of keeping it that way was to NOT mention the Jurists...
I spent two weeks in Psychokiller. I never mentioned the Jurists again. On the way back to Long Island I wondered what was lurking on the other side of that mountain... on the other side of the Woodstock county line. I thought about doubling back and having a look for myself, but there was something in Alice's eyes that day he told the story that made me believe him. I've travelled through that part of the state many times since, and it's as if something, maybe the Jurists themselves, are urging me to take that Woodstock exit off the New York State Thruway. As if the very town itself had the gravity to attract someone with a question as to what lies within. Someone like myself. So far the power of self preservation has been able to suspend that gravity. So far...
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 17:41:04 ET
Posted by: LOL,
Hey NY (Long island) Bill - What happened? Ezra didn't want to be your friend? I know you were trying there for awhile.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 17:32:15 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pittsburgh,
Hmm, that description of the Sistine Chapel Ceiling sounds more like what an arranger does when writing an orchestration. Not to denigrate D&W's efforts in the studio, but I thought they were not quite that precise in their instructions to their sidemen, although they are far more precise than the typical pop songwriter. The only detailed description of their supervision and direction of sidemen that I recall reading is Jay Graydon's recounting of the Peg solo:
http://www.jaygraydon.com/interviewtxt.htm#Peg
A little less definitive than the outlining technique described by Raj, but they know what they want from players and can get it one way or another.
Somewhere there are interviews with Mark Knopfler that relate a less satisfying experience trying to read the minds of the boys.
I believe that session keyboardists have reported that Donald is very specific about the voicings he wants. I think Walter has credited Herrington and McCracken with their own input on chord voicings on EMG, maybe in Guitar Player.
In the modern era I understand that most of the songs originated as keyboard/drum machine sequences of sorts, much like the bones on which 11TOW was constructed. In the 70s the songs generally started out as piano or piano/bass demos. Sketches, as opposed to precise outlines, you might say. Most of us on the Blue have heard these, I'll bet.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 17:30:16 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Yeah right. Now where was I? Oh yeah, Donald Fagen.
I'll tellya one thing, Fagen's life would have turned out much better if he hadn't married into that goofball Jurist family with all those Woodstock treehuggers up there. Ever take a look at his stepson? God! Take a half pint of Little Eddie from the Munsters, add a jigger of Uncle Fester, a dash of Cousin It, sprinkle liberally with illegal handguns and illicit pharmacopia, and you have something named "Ezra". Gotta admit though, his sister is pretty cute, but she comes from Levon Helm so I guess that makes all the difference huh? Anyway, I realize none of this has to do with his musical ability, but it does have something to do with his judgement, which I believe to severely impaired. Probably all that Hawaiian sun beating down on his head several months a year. Hey, maybe it's not too late to hook him up with Britney? Nah you're right, he'd probably want her little sister instead.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 17:05:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Actually, Michaelangelo DID paint the Sitine Chapel by comittee. He placed drawings in graphite on what amounts to tracing apaper in large squares, handed them off to his assistents to affix in their pre-allocated position on the ceiling, tracings were transferred onto the new white plaster with dampened sponges then he had his apprentices, including the great Master Rafael, commence applying paint. He himself performed much of the work but by no means all.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 17:02:13 ET
Posted by: Bill in Pittsburgh, see above
Anyone else think this sounds like Morph must have had the chili for lunch?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/08/ap/national/mainD8MHB3N80.shtml
Hope it's nothing more serious.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 16:50:42 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
"Lonnie The Wingnut" wrote... "You also have little understanding of just what DF and WB create on their very own."
You're wrong about that. I know exactly what they create on their own ------> ANIMOSITY! I know one thing, Da Vinci didn't paint the Sistine Chapel by committee. Think about it.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 16:31:09 ET
Posted by: Yo, Yo Yo!
So one of the few non-orignal songs in the Dan recordings is Ruby Baby by Dion and the Belmonts. This year Dion released an album called The Bronx in Blue in which he plays 15 classic blues tunes. He calls it "black music filtered through an Italian attitude." You can bet your sweet ass Donald Fagen loves this record.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 16:21:47 ET
Posted by: Mike Tyson, Manhattan, asshole
Re: Nosebleeder (aka NY, er, Long Island Bill)
The best thing to do is ignore (and this is MY last post on the subject). I do find it amusing that this idiot is using the name "nosebleeder", as I'm sure he's had more than his share of bloody noses.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 16:10:15 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Nosebleeder's Psychologist
NOSEBLEEDER,
You are one fucked up and angry dude. You also have little understanding of just what DF and WB create on their very own. You are a wonderful critic. Please share with us what wondrous things you have created. I hope to God you do not have children.
Lonnie the Kingpin
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 15:22:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That would be a resounding yes, Margie, they are one of the great acts remaining from that era. Go the second or better yet third night of their run. They rarely repeat songs on their playlist from night to night. But be aware if you get tickets on the floor you will be standing up the whole time. My choice would be the Mezzanaine, bring binoculars. Also, warn Mom that a wave of pot smoke will envelop the theatre. Derek Trucks is a virtuoso slide player and Warren Haynes is carrying the bulk of the responsibilities. Gregg is still the Pilot but doesn't do any heavy lifting at this point. Great band, great vibe. I've been the past three years and one year my college buddy took me upstairs to one of their Guestbook parties. Yikes, it was like the 60s in there, bodies strewn all over the floor and ganja buring everywhere. Enjoy.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 15:04:37 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Well, with the mention of Derek Trucks and all...
Being a young soul who's never seen the Allmans live would it be worth my time to see them in March? Take my mom as a special treat, of course - she saw them back in the day, albeit post-Duane, and she said it's not the same but she still loved it. She's a huge Allman's fan but I don't think she's seen them the last several years they've been playing Beacon Theater. Think it'd be worth my getting into?
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 14:18:23 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
CALTECH DEFEATS BARD 81-52!
After losing 207 straight games Caltech finally
defeated Bard on Saturday!!!
"Never going back to my old school"
I never though I would say this, but here it goes -
"GO OHIO STATE"!
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 14:05:31 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
RR Jas
There is a dress code for the Maverick: boots and pointy hats.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 13:25:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Right here Rocky:
http://www.mavericksaloon.org/santa_ynez.htm
Time? Couple hours or three prior to showtime I guess...more later.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 13:13:50 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, soon to be chumash
Fellow Chumashians...What is the name and time and place for the Dandom wingding???
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 12:57:40 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Chris:
Fuckwit here doesn't really hate Steely Dan. It's just that it enjoys making people mad. Strange hobby for an adult, but there are some strange ones walking among us. The closest thing to NY Fuckwit would be a boy, age 15, entering an adult chatroom. He types swear words and insults and delights in the horrified reactions he gets. Fuckwit here is exactly the same as that kid--though I doubt it's physically 15 years old anymore.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 12:32:39 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
"Has the mighty Fagen finally discarded his customary poetic drollness, and gone for a more staid, despondent approach?"
No, he's merely blossomed into the untalented schmuck we always knew him to be. He's sort of like the 70's version of Britney Spears. Once his handlers leave the scene his REAL ABILITY is put on display. For Britney, it was getting blown out on coke and showing her pussy in public. For Donald it was becoming what he is now, a used car salesman who plays a little piano. And like one of those used clunkers on the lot, you'll be lucky if his next Steely Dan cd makes it to the end of the lot without breaking down. But it won't matter 'cuz he'll already have gotten paid for it. Can't you just see him locking the front door of his office, closing the blinds, and chuckling as he thumbs through the mound of cash he got off that last sucker?
I can.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 12:32:07 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I love how someone who hates Steely Dan so much continues to post on a Steely Dan fansite. also love how playing their music in any place but a Clear Channel shed makes them sellouts. I think it's a little curious that they're playing in bingo halls, but Johnny Cash played in prisons. They play where they want, and they play what they want - where does "selling out" or "being greedy" work into this equation?
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 11:45:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
B-Bo and Craig, the reviewer isn't off the mark on Morph, he or she is out to lunch on their view of Steely Dan as "accessible" and nowhere near as dark as the Morph record. Very uninformed view of the Dan's body of work. And no, the narrator in Hey 19 is not living with this chick, there's absolutely no indication of that. Neither is the world-weariness of Morph new to Steely Dan.
The White Album is indeed muddy in spots. But I think it was by design. Lennon loved to "F-up his voice." Even Back in the USSR sounds like it's behind a sheet of gauze. We know from Don that Katy Lied did not come out the way they wanted it to sound.
We'll be in Santa Ynez around, hmm, maybe 2-ish in the afternoon. We should snoop around and see who we can run into prior to soundcheck and in any case, you can stand in the hallway across from the doors to the showroom and certainly hear everything that they rehearse in there, there no big foyer separating you from the hall.
You LA people, don't miss jazz legend Benny Golson this week at Jazz Bakery, Wednesday through Sunday, two shows a night at 8 and 9:30.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 11:04:54 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, in the Monday Zone
Fellas,
I'm not sure if I disagree with that review of MORPH THE CAT so much, except that his bent feels decidedly "mainstream" to me; wonder what he'd do with "Everyone's Gone to the Movies"? Y'know, the record actually might seem "down" to the Great Steely-Unwashed among us, I dunno...of course, I wouldn't begin to speak for y'all, but I've always felt that a healthy embracing of the Negative Aesthetic is the Danner's bread and butter...I think he almost "gets" the record; nothing truly nasty there, he's just unaware of how Don sees things, and he's obviously using 9/11 to explain a big lot of scenery and "clues," as we've come to know those little non-details from the SD/Don/Walt catalog. Se la vie, no?
Sounds like a little DanFest goin' on in Cali, huh? I'll be there the night before, I'm likely to hit the "Windmill Days Inn" after 9pm, y'know, on the 18th--anyone else putting up there? Naw, you class cats and your old ladies will be in the resort on the hill, I'll betcha...well, we should DEFINITELY get together sometime, and if it turns out to be the Maverick for everyone, I'll show, for sure. Travelling alone again for this one (dammit! my Old Lady really, REALLY hates this band, and just started a new job, so a "mixed" no-time-for-California for her), and I WANT TO LIVE AND BREATHE THE REGION WHILE I'M AROUND...please and Thanks for any hints and suggestions, and I hope there are hangers-out! Dig into the addy above to contact me for my cell, if you want to get together on the aside, and othersiwse, I'll see you sometime near showtime at the Maverick.
Raj, old buddy, if KATY LIED is muddy, then THE WHITE ALBUM is "below" us, as well. You roller-skater, you...think about it, um, sir.
By the bye, 11 TRACKS OF WHACK is really a lovely, gripping album; I can't say enough about this kind of cynicism, and I'm not sure (aside from the Dan Canon) it's been done in Rock, to my knowledge, except for those "punk" fuckers I always hated in the 70s and 80s...Huey Lewis meets Roger Waters, just a wonderful statement and groove in EVERY DAMNED SONG ON THE RECORD...I think. Still pretty new to me, I'll let ya know, oh my droogies...
Eleven days to blast-off now...Lordy-mighty. Anybody here as excited as Bobbo these days...? Couldn't imagine.
P.S. Bullgoose, you wonderful mutant, heal up just as quick as you can, pard; Love and Good Vibrations from the edge of the Desert for you, young man! Please be well, and keep us informed, okay?
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 10:50:01 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Toong calls Morph gloomy?
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 09:54:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Omigosh, how wrong about so many things can a reviewer be?
http://www.star-ecentral.com/music/reviews/review.asp?file=archives/music/2007/1/MorphtheCat&artist=Donald%20Fagen&title=Morph%20the%20Cat&sec=music
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 09:52:49 ET
Posted by: ahem,
That would be fewer of them, not less of them. Less is like coffee or sand, or bullshit.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 09:21:24 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Why, it's the chief fuckwit again, that's who!
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 08:57:38 ET
Posted by: NOW, then
Whose in his little pain-body again ?
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 07:55:53 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
Need the money to put together ANOTHER primo album??? Living in a bit a fantasy are we? These guys don't make primo albums anymore, they haven't made a primo album since Aja. It's a moneygrab, understand? It's all image and no substance, and it's no substance because they people who are creating the art aren't really the artists who created the art to begin with. Guess who was responsible for "Don't Take Me Alive", it was Larry Carlton. Do you think Fagen and Becker could have come up with that intro by themselves? Face it, they aren't artists they're shoppers! They see something they like and they buy it, pretty much what Paris Hilton does. If Paris buys a masterpiece by Van Gogh does that make her an artist? Think about it.
People like Fagen and Becker are a dime a dozen in Manhattan. Self-absorbed. Arrogant. Money grubbing. Here, fill in the blank.
You really wanna support a couple of users like that? Why not save your money and go see some unknown artist who's really in it for the art rathen than supporting a couple of arrogant Manhattanite (blank) who could care less about music so long as they can stuff a few more bucks in their retirement portfolios and kid themselves that they're better than the world around them. We don't need more of these people in the world we need less of them.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 05:45:37 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Someone was wondering about this awhile back...
GUITARIST DEREK TRUCKS TO LEAVE ERIC CLAPTON FOR NEW YORK CITY ALLMAN BROTHERS RUN
Guitarist Derek Trucks will leave Eric Clapton's band and return to the Allman Brothers Band for their annual "March Madness" dates at the Beacon Theatre in New York City this spring. Over the past year, Trucks has split his time between the Allmans, Clapton, and his own solo band, and he told Florida's Bradenton Herald, "The Allman Brothers Band has been really great this past year working around Clapton's schedule. I'm really grateful. They understood it was something I couldn't pass up."
Clapton has shows booked for the same late March to early April time period that the Allmans will be in New York, but Trucks will be on stage at the Beacon with the Brothers, as he's done since 1999. There's no word yet on whether Clapton will replace Trucks for those gigs.
* Trucks said there hasn't been an issue with him touring with Clapton, which has caused the Allmans to alter their own plans. He told the newspaper he was "half expecting" some grief from bandleader Gregg Allman, then added, "But I think
because of the reverence between Eric and (the late) Duane (Allman), (Gregg) understood. And it's not like they're competing groups. I think they were happy for me." Clapton and Duane Allman came together in 1970 on the Derek & the Dominos album Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs.
* Clapton's world tour resumes on Saturday (January 13th) in Singapore. The annual New York City residency for the Allman Brothers Band runs from March 22nd to April 7th.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 03:03:28 ET
Posted by: Totally, right on
I completely agree, Nosebleeder. That's why you couldn't get away from these guys back in 2003, when EMG came out. These guys were on every station, every chat show, every call-in radio show, and any magazine with a readership of over 2383. And if I have to see Walter on another one of those VH1 reality shows, I'm going to scream! Enough already!
It couldn't be because they need the shows to raise capital to put together another new album and pay the primo musicians. Naw ...
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 02:36:35 ET
Posted by: That bleeding, has caused a shortage of blood to vital areas
Well, the trolls don't stay away all that long.
Nothing new here folks, keep moving.
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007, 01:24:20 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
SteelyFez,
Does anybody care? These guys are playing rinky dink Indian casinos in the middle of nowhere. Face it, the fire went out over 25 years ago. All they're doing now is cashing in on the legacy of others. When you think about it you'll realize that they never made any of that music, all they did was hire someone else and steal all their musical ideas. Chuck Rainey is right in this regard. It's all about money with Fagen and Becker. They could give a shit about art for arts sake. They have about as much connection with the true art of musicmaking as some Corporate CEO has with whatever product they're scoring off this week.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 23:58:09 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
Hey any of you fellow dan fans wonder why the big gap between shows?
January until May?
Or are they going to fill in the blanks with more shows?
Thanks.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 22:46:50 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
HouDanFan...I agree with you on Third World Man from AIA. I like it much better than the album version. Somehow it's more intimate. I also agree that Aja is not great on AIA...but I have heard it live elsewhere (Irvine '94) and I think it stands up pretty well (Dennis Chambers on drums).
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 22:02:23 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
Since we are on the subject of favorite SD tunes (aren't we almost always on that subject?), I've put about 20 of my favorite on the IPOD. Lately, I keep coming back to Black Cow. Love the keyboards in that tune. And the line leading into the first chorus -- on the counter, by your keys, was a book of numbers, and your remedies --- tops.
And a bit off-topic, Go Gators!
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 21:47:18 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, AIA
For me, the slower version of Third World Man on AIA is the highlight of that cd. Followed by Green Earings (which I never liked prior to hearing it live due to different solos) and Book of Liars. The rest of the tracks are good except Aja. I don't think SD should ever again try to do Aja live. They will never come close to replicating the studio sound of that song, which is my all time favorite SD song.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 20:14:07 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home from hospital bonalbo
Hey Mer, Denise, Ann, Dan Belcher and The Door Ajar of Malabar,
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
I'd always wanted to pull that old gag before my operation. You know the one:
Patient: Hey Doc, after the operation will I be able to play the violin?
Doctor: I don't see why not.
Patient: That's so cool. I've never played the violin before.
I had the opportunity to try it on several doctors and nurses, but most of them saw it coming.
I'm so pleased that the fog horn is getting the exposure it deserves.
Returning to the 'dinner party' grouping of Dan songs, (I confess to imagining myself in something small, black and plunging: 'bold but not gaudy', as the monkey said while painting his bum blue) a splendid partner and antidote for On The Dunes would be Fagen's Confide In Me.(recorded by The Manhattan Transfer on The Offbeat of Avenues) It's up. It's still hurting, but it's up, and it's got the same disguised blues-ness as The Dunes.
Three of my favourite grooves, where the horns lock so well with the rhythm section:
Lunch with Gina
Two Against Nature
Jack of Speed
One that grows on you;
Florida Room
Two neat re-grooves:
When Weather Report changed the 'unchangeable' Birdland groove to a shuffle on 8.30.
The loping, chugging shuffle on the AIA version of Reelin' In The Years.
For the space:
Night By Night
Just for taking their time:
Pretzel Logic
IGY
Hey Doc, can I take out the stitches?
Doc: Suture self.
Your Corny Boy on the ward
Gooster
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 19:52:39 ET
Posted by: Nosebleeder,
The best songs Fagen and Becker ever wrote are...
Come Back Baby
Brain Tap Shuffle
Don't Let Me In
Mr. Sam
The 2nd Arrangement
Sail The Waterway
The Bear
Can't Write Home About You
Talkin 'Bout My Home
If It Rains
Kind Spirit
None of which were ever officially released. So much for genius huh? Not to worry though cuz we got "Gaslighting Abbie" and "The Last Mall".
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 19:29:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,
"Reelin'," "Book of Liars," and "Sign in Stranger" are great high points of "Alive in America" for me. I think this is because they do something a little different than the studio versions on these. It's tantalizing to consider how these great versions compare with the originals. They have some great merits—"Reelin'" the horns and all; "Liars" seems so free, loose and airy and has the great solos; and SIS has the curious new lyrics and horn arrangement on the bridge.
For certain, I wish it was two discs as I don't feel we get the experience of a whole concert, end to end. The booklet photos and liner notes are a great encapsulation of that period in SD time.
In addition to the new Sears Centre, they are going to build a new, smaller version of Poplar Creek a few hundred yards away from the site of the old Poplar Creek in the next year or so. No lawn seating though.jim
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 19:04:54 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
While the arrangement on Alive in America is great, I thought the arrangement of Reelin' in the Years from this summer's tour was fantastic. They kept the swinging feel with Rhodes intro and all, but they managed to work in Herington on guitar as well as the cool horns. It's a shame they only did this song for a few nights of the tour. Luckily, I was there for the Nashville performance of it!
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 16:53:12 ET
Posted by: degas, two sides to every story
I always liked the AIA cover work - back from the dead
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 15:06:25 ET
Posted by: renoir,
Yeah. Not only that the cover "art" of AIA creeps me out as well. Not very Steely, atypical of their covers that usually intrigue and foment musings and intellectual thoughts..
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:40:53 ET
Posted by: Runaway Janie,
Thanks Ray! I'll have to check it out.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:29:33 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
BTW-
Not in 2003. That is why many started
to speculate that it was "over".
Janie- DVD's will not play in a stand
alone CD player. But if you can track
down the PRO CD version of Kama:
Super Bit Mapped Gold Disc, 945230-DJ
it's same high sampled rate that you will find
on the DVD "stero mix" and it will play in your
car or home stand alone CD player.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:20:07 ET
Posted by: BTW,
Lurker Ray - DF say "I'll see you next Summer" every tour.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:18:25 ET
Posted by: Bob,
AIA- (IMHO) is one of the worst sounding live recordings I've ever heard. I noticed that Elliot Schiner wasn't involved with it which is probably why it sounds so bad.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:06:53 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Raj-
It's Erskine in 93
Chambers in 94-95? I believe.
I also really like the live versions of
"Reeling". Was fortunate to be at the
late, great Poplar Creek for the live
recording. But like MSG in 93 and Poplar Creek
93 & 94, there was an awesome "Audience Clap-Along"
at the beginning of the song. Really makes it even
better. They can be heard on the MSG 1993, and 1993 &
1994 Poplar Creek boots. Not quite sure why Roger and
the boys decided to cut out the audience interplay on
AIA, it really makes "Reeling" even more special.
Can't wait for Chumash & Friant. Oh wait, they are now
announcing more shows for the 2007 Heavy Rollers Tour.
Oh wait, didn't a bunch of drips tell us there wouldn't be
a 2007 tour? Not one of them has the balls to apologize
to Rajah after shanking him on his "inside information".
Oh that's right, Donald told us all summmer that he they
would be seeing us "next sumer" and that the "song book"
would be even larger. Your sky is falling chicken littles,
THERE is a 2007 Steely Dan Tour and it starts in a few days!
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 14:01:03 ET
Posted by: Runaway Janie,
Gentlemen -
I'm new to the term/format DVD-A.
Because I'm already a big fan of Kama I'd love to know if I can play this type of disc on my existing CD player.
Thanks -
Jane(E)
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 13:29:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
There is one cut off AIA that I especially like, it's Reelin in the Years. Very breezy 29 second intro by Don on Rhodes, playful, light then a terrific attack on drums at a half minute. Is that Dennis Chambers or Peter Erskine? It was from the Chicago show in 1994. Whomever that man on the skins was, he really led and carried the song. Bright, snappy, an infintesimal nanosecond ahead of everyone else which I love in a drummer when it's appropriate to the type of song and I think it is here. This live version is rendered with power and restraint at the same time and it really works for me. Donald lets it fall trippingly off the tongue and there's this great thing the back-up vocalists do on the word "years," at, "are you reelin in the YEARS." They hold the same note on "years," or is it maybe a half-step down, no glissando, maybe a little flat but it never fails to thrill. A little thing like that can really make a live cut. A little tweek. Wadenius and Potter turn this sugary pop song into a very different cool ride than the studio version.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 12:55:20 ET
Posted by: Fave SD Records?,
Why not AIA?
It is sort of like introducing an orange into an apples to apples ranking. Live vs studio.
It is like introducing a greatest hits package into the rankings, not being "original" work.
Many music fans do not like live records for certain reasons. They generally do not sell well for most any group compared with original releases or anthologies, but there are obviously exceptions. Thus they are easily forgotten.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 12:24:35 ET
Posted by: hoops,
On the surface it may seem that way, Chris, just in the same way Steely Dan seems like jaz-lite elevator music to non-fans. In some ways, the Grateful Dead-Dan connection is that they are in some ways so opposite they come full circle. Connections and commonalities are that they both served for me as gateways to Jazz (the GD improvise so much) and blues, are obsessive about sonic quality and pressing the envelope of new audio technology; were both influenced by the Beats (was listening to an old XM interview with D+W last night where they talked about the Beat movement); the players are serious musicians-- hardly celebrities--and are relatively low-profile.
All the DVD-A's by SD and DF are great--but, as I've said before many times, the Kama DVD-A is extra special...it sounds like a whole new album. The DVD-A, even when just listened to in its stereo mix, takes the whole album to a new level. You will definitely appreciate Kama so much more if you hear it off this disc.
Through the years, I find it interesting that more than a few Danfans forget to include "Alive In America" when they rank Steely Dan albums.
jim
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 11:57:27 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
it is very interesting to me how danfans and deadheads can be one in the same. the ideologies of each band seem to be the exact opposite (excessive musical masturbation v disgusting precision). both are also extremes. my problem with the dead is really just the fact that i didn't think they were very good players. i also blame them for phish. still, i respect them for starting the whole live taping/free tape trading thing.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 09:50:27 ET
Posted by: bad sneakers, Scotland
Nice to hear the positive comments on the DVD-A of Kamakiriad. Try MTC and Gaucho too - They are excellent reinterpretations of the originals, whilst the higher sampling rate really opens the music up the way it was meant to be heard
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 01:10:49 ET
Posted by: Confucius,
What part of "old farts" is giving you trouble?
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 00:32:23 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Thanks for the memories
Well there ya go. Love the conversion chart.
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 00:11:39 ET
Posted by: From Deadhead to Danfan, I remember...
From way back when to right about now:
http://www.steelydan.com/deadhead.html
Date: Sun, January 07, 2007, 00:11:16 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
I am one of those strange folks who luckily "gets" the Dead, and the Dan. Both bands have been the soundtrack of my adult life, so far. As far as the Dead goes, you had to see them live to understand what all the talk was about. There truly was nothing like a Dead show. Nothing.
Got to give a shout out to the Sons of Champlin, too. That is my trifecta of best music to live by. Yeah, it is personal. Everyone's got there own thing. This music works for me! Thanks Jim, for providing a place for us to discuss and enjoy this wonderful music.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 23:40:33 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Dan Karma hits Borneo!!
Last Thursday evening we were having a farewell dinner for the Off-Spring as she left for the UK on Friday. Next to the restaurant is a shop selling international magazines, etc, so I picked up December's edition of National Geographic (they are usually a bit late in this neck of the woods!!). As I settled down to read it last night, one of the articles transported me back to last Summer's Bristow Danfest and show, and even further back to a posting that had appeared on the Blue soon after I joined you guys. The article was about your boys in Iraq and how emergency injuries are dealt with. It included the wonderful work being carried out by the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington, particularly in the field of prosthetics.
This reminded me of the very interesting discussion Jenny and I had with Bill at the Dan Fest and prior to the show, as he is "PR" at this hospital and no doubt contributed to the information in this article......and of course, I was reminded of his interesting posting about the charity gig that Skunk and some diplomats did at the hospital as a fund raiser.
What wonderful work they are doing at this hospital, but what a pity they have to do it in the first place......and thanks Bill, for you contribution to this article and posts. We don't see enough of you.
Dan Karma permeates the world!
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 23:16:53 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, 11 days and counting
C'mon, some of you guys must remember in the very early days of steelydan.com, shortly after Grateful Dead disbanded there was a mock 'how to' guide for deadheads interested in joining the greater dandom.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 22:40:58 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @been here through and through
Jim
Your the best and have no need to defend yourself from the unknowing and ill -informed
Happy New Year
ed
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 22:01:02 ET
Posted by: hoops,
At a friend's house checking out their new PC so sorry I can't remove spam below or check out other issues.
To reply to "Pig Pen," I happen to be the one who, in this case, wrote as "The Truth." It is no bullshit. Circa 1992-1993, there was no place specifically to discuss Steely Dan on Internet. There was a lot less of everything of course since the Internet wasn't even close to ubiquitous as it is today.
As a regular on rec.music.gdead, myself and others discussed the Dan there. More than a few Danfans were also Dead fans--but of course there were Dead Heads who didn't care for the Dan.
As a result, myself and other Dead/Dan fans got flamed by some for being "off topic."
Eventually I pursued the process for getting a rec.music.steelydan group started. Of course, creation was rejected at the newsgroup proposal group that you proposed the .rec group to--the common procedure back then for a .rec group was to run a mail list and get sufficient numbers of subscribers over a sustained period of time to prove such a newsgroup was was needed and worthy of approval as a rec.music group. Alt.music groups were a lot easier to start but rec.music groups were picked up by admins pretty much by default while alt. groups were often such that individual users had to petition their sys admin to add. As such, getting a rec.music group back then took more effort but promised much wider visibility. (Why it is alt.music.steelydan today is another story.) That was the Internet culture back then.
So we emailed each other for a while, and then I set up a group on at the work server (with thanks to Paul P.) at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. It was OK to do that sorta thing with University resources back then -- in fact, I remember showing the list as part of a computer users and administrators' round circle at work then. They thought it was so cool then--they'd freak at that today.
First we were steelydan@stcs.mrl.uiuc.edu followed by steelydan@uiuc.edu. Official date for the uiuc.edu addresses to start up was on March 23, 1993 when we were on a QuickMail server I ran for physicists which is funny looking back. We stayed at UIUC.edu until I had to move to a private server in 1999 -- Interaccess.com -- when I went to work for a while in private sector. Then briefly we were at uiuc.edu for a bit and then .mac circa early 2000. Finally, we got our own server space and domain in April 2000 and have been dandom.com ever since. Our first web server was also from not too long after the mail list/digest started--in 1993. Nothing very exciting except it was a web server which was novelty. Mainly it was some plain text with some scans of album covers.
But it's true, we evolved out of the rec.music.gdead public usenet group (not to be confused with dead.net).
Thanks to everyone who helped make it happen through the years including the many Deadheads.
jim
Added Sun 1/7/07 around Noon: BTW: During the 1993 summer Grateful Dead tour, it was not uncommon to hear "Kamamkiriad" played in its entirety as the house music between sets.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 21:55:14 ET
Posted by: Confucius,
What do you do when the cover bands are better than the real thing?
At least they won't dismiss the earlier works, which were better, as "pre-evolutionary". All they've managed to do is to "evolve" into a couple of old farts.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 19:49:55 ET
Posted by: Hold On,,
Freddie, you say we Danfans should be Grateful to The Dead for Trans Island Skyway? Nah.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 19:16:11 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
Dear Pierre,
If you living in Brussels you should know the story.
The statue was made in the year 1619 but there are a lot of stories and legends circulating.The most significant is following story: A little boy made pipi against the housedoor of a witch. The witch was so angry that she changed the little boy in a statue.
The place near the Grand Place, where you can find actally the statue was also the place where was the house of that witch.
But there are a lot other versions.
By the way, don't forget january 16: Toots Thielemans in concert in Antwerp.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 18:49:59 ET
Posted by: Pierre,, Bruxelles
DEACON BLUE
Hey Deacon Blue, what does this "Mannequin Pis" statue figure mean?
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 18:08:53 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
The Real Player mini album review of The Royal Scam talks about Steely Dan's weakest effort! Am i living in the same world?
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 17:58:55 ET
Posted by: Pig Pen,
The Truth - I love the Dead but what you just said is utter BS.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 17:15:22 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
The BlueBook's lineage can be traced to the Deadhead fan community on the net circa 1992-1993. The BlueBook was begotten of the Dandom Digest which evolved from a spin-off of usenet's rec.music.gdead.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 16:23:00 ET
Posted by: George Auld,
I bet Walt and Don would laugh at this story:
After a night of drinking, Brian crept into bed beside his wife who was already asleep. He gave her a peck on the cheek and fell asleep. When he awoke he found a strange man standing at the end of his bed, wearing a long flowing white robe.
"Who the hell are you?" demanded Brian, "and what are you doing in my bedroom?"
The mysterious Man answered, "This isn't your bedroom and I'm St. Peter".
Brian was stunned, "You mean I'm dead!!! That can't be, I have so much to live for, I haven't said goodbye to my family.... You've got to send me back straight away".
St Peter replied, "Yes, you can be reincarnated but there is a catch. We can only send you back as a dog or a hen."
Brian was devastated, but knowing there was a farm not far from his house, he asked to be sent back as a hen. A flash of light later, he was covered in feathers and clucking around pecking the
ground.
"This ain't so bad" he thought until he felt this strange feeling welling up inside him.
The farmyard rooster strolled over and said, "So you're the new hen, how are you enjoying your first day here?"
"It's not so bad," replies Brian, "but I have this strange feeling inside like I'm about to explode".
"You're ovulating," explained the rooster, "don't tell me you've never laid an egg before."
"Never," replies Brian.
"Well just relax and let it happen."
And so he did and after a few uncomfortable seconds later, an egg pops out from under his tail. An immense feeling of relief swept over him and his emotions got the better of him as he experienced motherhood for the first time. When he laid his second egg, the feeling of happiness was overwhelming and he knew that being reincarnated as a hen was the best thing that had happened to him...ever!! The joy kept coming and as he was just about to lay his third egg he felt an enormous smack on the back of his head and heard his wife shouting….
"Brian, wake up you drunk F***, you're SH*TTING IN THE BED!!!"
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 16:14:54 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I've never "gotten" the Grateful Dead. I've had friends through the years who were fanatical about them, but I just never figured out why. On the other hand, there's a lot of people who don't "get" Steely Dan, so I guess to each his own.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 15:52:32 ET
Posted by: Dead Freddie, Shakedown Street exit ramp onto
The Trans Island Skyway...
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 15:39:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I never heard it and I'm older than 99% of you.
Ha! I never liked the Dead except for the year they released Workingman's and the one with the immortal, "Box of Rain."
Too boring...
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 14:59:20 ET
Posted by: B,
Lutz - That joke is older than you!
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 13:36:41 ET
Posted by: suedave, online
I just took the shrink wrap off the DVD-A version of Kama last night before I read the blue, and yes, what you say is true - it's a whole new experience - it opens that record right up. In the liner notes, one finds this gem referring to their early days writing songs for other people "We soon realized that to play the material we really liked, we'd have to have a band, so we started rehearsing, and just before Dunhill fired us, we put out a record" - CBAT.
And what a record that was - it still sounds good after all these years. I think some of why we can listen to SD records over and over without tiring of them (besides the great music) is the great aural quality of the records, KL aside. KL is one of their best musical achievements, a perfect blend of blues and pop, it was so important that it saw the light of day despite the production problems. How about if the current version of the band goes into the studio to redo it? I know that'd never happen but it would be ok with me if they pulled a Roger Waters or Brian Wilson and do an album in its entirety live as a set. KL would be my choice.
Records that I find myself spinning more than the others: Gaucho, EMG, Pretzel Logic, Nightfly, 11TOW.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 13:10:44 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
this joke was told by a musician who thought the Grateful dead
were overrated,
no one needs to get offended.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 13:07:05 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
what does a hippie say when he's out of dope?
'this music sucks, dude!'
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 13:02:19 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Here's to Bullgoose' continued healing, and no wonder about the musical knowledge- hope you'll be back playing soon---
Love the accent references- Boston accents sometimes seem unusualy close to australian or british-- as Denise and Ann pointed out. I love trying to detect someone's geographic roots from their accent-- particluarly in the states.. I'm not as good at it with European accents. I'm orinially from Ct., so definately still pronounce R's as R's, unlike some locals.
I think a lot of the mistaken SD lyrics stem from DF's NY/NJ twang-- I love it.
Happy January to all attending the Casino shows, can't wait to hear about it on the Blue.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 12:55:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Great analyses folks, really perked up my Saturday morning, thanks for the very entertaining reads, what a great catalogue of songs old and new.
Get well soon Bullgoose.
Well what does a hippie say when he's out of dope?
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 12:46:00 ET
Posted by: Alec Hidell,
I took a different approach to 11 Tracks, putting it in the car player and listening to it over and over during a span of a couple weeks. Didn't like it at all at first, expecting SD and not finding it. As I became familiar with the songs, I grew to appreciate them, like them, love some of them. "Lucky Henry"-- Wow!
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 11:42:01 ET
Posted by: HOME-i-cide, on the dunes
I have heard that The Dunes is about a depressed guy recalling happier times with a lost love on the dunes but is possibly thinking about SU-i-cide.
Donald is usually fastidious about his pronunciations etc, such as with Anne de Siecle. That HOME-i-cide is catchy, always liked it.
I wonder if the DVD-A Kama brings that out even more as it has with these other details?
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 11:18:13 ET
Posted by: Will,
Kamakiriad on DVD-Audio is amazing! Elliot Schiner's best work to date.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 10:02:55 ET
Posted by: lawgator, orlando, land of milk and honey
The Dan have added a date in May --- at the Hard Rock in my backyard!!!!! Wow, just wow.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 00:54:50 ET
Posted by: Charlie Tokyo,
Chris - you have obviously not heard Kamakiriad on DVD-Audio (particularly 5.1 on a nice system), it is a COMPLETELY different album! It went from my least fave ("synth sound"), to one of my top 5 SD/solo recordings. There is so much going on that never translated well in the original mix. DVD-A opens it all up, and it finally makes sense.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 00:17:42 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
I agree Ann, you can definately hear a very low, long, deep horn sound in the "pretty boats sweeping along the shore" line the first time it's sung.
My favorite part of On the Dunes is the little gap in the "wasn't fair--it's brutal there on the dunes" line. In every other line of the song with that structure, there's that great guitar line. However, on that one particular moment, there's just silence except for the shaker, drums, and a decaying piano note before a left hand piano line takes you back into the vocals. Every time I listen to the song, that one line catches me by surprise for some reason.
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007, 00:03:44 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Hey Bullgoose!
Sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you're soon up and about again! If it's any consolation, I listerned to "On the dunes" the other night on my MP3 headset and I HEARD THE FOG HORN!!!! Twice in fact! But for me it was clearest on the first "...pretty boats...". It's definitely there!! This track has come alive for me after your account of it. I think you should write a book, somewhat on the lines of the Sweet one, but you could do it a million times better!! He misses so much! Just sounds like he knew someone who was in the recording studio with them, picked-up the gossip and wrote the book in about 3 days for a quick "cash-in" on their fame. Sorry if I'm wrong Mr. Sweet!
Accents and dialects!! Funny things. In my "former" part of the world (N.W. England), dialects change within a few miles and we can identify someone's village by their dialect. Nice thing about being in my current neck-of-the-woods, and with mixing with so many English speaking non-Brits, is that I'm not stigmatised because of my Northern English dialect. The non-Brits amongst you propbably won't know what I'm talking about, but the Brits out there will!!!
Peace to All!!
Ann
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 23:33:34 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
I agree with Rajah and how the last cd’s stand out, including the solo efforts.
Just by sound, composition, musicians skill all of them are superior to the old music to me.
Aja is still played live, it sound so great 30 years later with a 2006 band.
The economic circumstances might dictate this, the fans here know this.
As much as I love the 70’s stuff and as far ahead the music was then and still is in some apects- it’s the 70’s!
How much fresher and musically advanced is the newer music…and how much effort went into it - there is no comparison. Does anyone really believe Fagen or Becker in private would want to talk about Boddhisatva all day?
They were sure proud of EMG and if Fagen calls it ‘wicked and he loves it’ you better believe it.
This whole debate reminds me a lot of Zappa and his fans. Some folks flat out refused to listen to anything beyond 1974 - most of the old stuff was great and has it’s place in music history.
However if FZ himself said he couldn't even listen to it anymore and praises his accomplishments of the later years, one has to wonder. Even as he played the older music with his 80’s kick-ass bands live and recorded it, that wasn’t “pure” enough for the old die-hards.
A week after his death in 93 this radio station in NYC honored him with a 24 hour exclusive program -
“The music of FZ”. I listened all 24 hours only to find out that nothing beyond ‘75 was played or even mentioned, like his career ended 18 years earlier. He would have been so pissed.
What does the hippie say when he runs out of dope? Most of you know that joke…
Don’t want to offend anyone however, but I am personally glad the 70’s are over.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 22:32:20 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown weekending
Hey Doc Mu,
I agree with alot of what you say, except for citing 11TOW as a weak CD. I realize that musically I am not that knowledgable (no kidding!) however, I believe that it's exceptional statement of personal expression. The lyrics are very strong, and the music takes the songs where they need to go. A different point of view, and a different style from the typical SD CD, but certainly no less of an effort. WB communicates what he wants to, I think. That's the essence of it, isn't it?
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 22:22:29 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
I just found some 11TOW outtakes and there is some real cool stuff there. I have to take back my earlier comment that the guys don't know how to use samplers effectively; these outtakes, especially, use them very well. There's some great stuff. I love 11TOW because (1) the songs are fucking great, and (2), it demonstrates Walter's role in SD songs - he's the fire, he's the discontent, he's the one that's pissed off, he's the one that had his heart broken (and I'm convinced he's the one behind the creepy-old-man-going-after-a-younger-girl-songs that have appeared on every album since Gaucho). He's also not one for fluff, but he's glad to write changes that leave you one step behind and melodies that seldom repeat. The hurdle for a lot fans, I think, are the drum sequencers and the early 90s synths. My only response to that is that they actually SOUND like synths, unlike Kama which tried to sound real and now sounds very, very dated. Honestly, it took about five listens for it to permiate my brain. He's Walter Becker, one half of the band you love and have spent hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars on, so give it at least five listens, all the way through, with two weeks in between each listen before you give up on it.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 22:20:56 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
I have to agree the high level of sophistication for TvN...from highes to lowest in sophistication
Aja
Two Against Nature
Nightfly
Royal Scam
Gaucho
Morph the Cat
Kamakiriad
Everything Must Go
Katy Lied
Pretzel Logic
Countdown to Ecstacy
11 Tracks of Whack
Can't Buy a Thrill
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 21:58:09 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu,
Missing: That's the point. howa many artists with over a dozen releases could cite albums as strong as CBAT and even 11ToW as their weakest albums. I would highly recommend 11 ToW
11ToW is personal edgy, acid-jazz, anti-pop, almost anti-Dan.
TvN and EMG are both very interesting and quite different albums.
TvN is hyper-produced, slick with layered multiple voices. Communication between the instruments is key, The tunes are ditties almost 50s TV add jingles. Miles Davis Blue horns with a Stax rhythm sections. Fagen was still in a semi-minimalist R&B/blues tunesmith period (ex, Trans-Island Skyway, title track(, but the guys make the most of it.
The intro to the title track is hypnotizing - clearly this should have been the leadoff song. Gaslighting Abbie epitomizes the TvN strategy - outstanding live in concert or on Plush.
The highlights to me are the intro and bridge to WASAM, Almost Gothic, Negative Gril, and West of Hollywood...the last 3 being absolute CLASSICS. Jack of Speed is a Danfan favorite...but to me except for the bridge it sounds like I've been there before.
Snare's a little too up front and vocals a little down in mix, but all that's fixed on DVD-A.
Potter's TWO sax solos on Janie and the extended solo on West of Hollywood are VERY impressive.
EMG features more back to basics, 40s blues meets early rock and blues. Less production. more of a live party album in the studio. Interestingly, donald starts breaking out of the shel with most lyrical melodies since the Nightfly. EMG is the VOCALS album - Donald's lead sharp, the backup vocals full. Except for the title track, wunderkind drummer Keith Carlock is locked in the box for much of the album - he and Walter seem out of sync sometimes. Blues Beach and Last Mall are catchy, but unlike many Dan recordings, they just don't reveal much more after 5-6 listens.
Having said that some of their best songs and/or recordings are on EMG. Things I Miss the Most is a GREAT altered blues song. The semi-Hey 19 thrym sections is completely innappropriate but the horns are so tasty, all is forgiven
Godwhacker is a minute too long, but what kick @$$ guitar and YES the retrun of the synth blues harp! Slang of Ages is a souped up 11ToW track - very cool
The rest of the album is very Fagenesque and a warm-u[ for Morph. donald finds his tune smithing groove back. Greenbook is weird, it's jiggy. Great dueling solos between the midi thingy and Walt's guitar.
Then a top 5 Fage-related song of all time - Pixeleen. What this wasn't the first single, I'll never know...If Pixeleen is released as the leadoff single and promoted, it's Grammy time. Great song. morphing lyrics, killer bridge.
Lunch with Gina - best party Upper an-nihilism at its best. Killer songs with monster hooks and tasty horns and outtro.
EMG title track - very underrated and nearly a mastgerpeice. the Coltrane-like intro is prescent of the bridge. Weiskopf lathers on outstanding sax work.
...and these albums are middle of the pack Dan releases.
sez sumthin' don't it? Genius loves company.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 21:09:35 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown weekending
Bullgoose,
Ouch ouch ouch! So sorry to read your post. Glad you are mending up; hope all goes well.
It's funny you should mention your accent being mistaken for a Boston one. My Boston accent has been commented on a lot in my travels, someone once asked me how long I had been in the country (thought I was from London!)
Take care.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 19:55:25 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home from hospital bonalbo
The 'album' is usually quite an arbitrary grouping of songs: DonWalt have themselves warned against looking too hard for 'concepts'. I'm finding it more fun to dress up as the hostess and make out place cards for the guests: that is, to think about what songs sit best together, irrespective of which albums they are from.
I learned recently that Bruce Hornsby had parted company with his longtime drummer, the great John Molo, and taken up with Sonny Emory. If that doesn't mean anything to you Blue Bookers, I'll leave you to do the googling, but it does, along with the Bonnie Raitt cameo, make for a neat Hornsby/Dan association.
My son got Yellowjackets' CD/DVD '25' for Christmas. Wonderful playing, and there are, of course, several connections between the bands.
Hey Mer
Thanks for the cheerio. Actually, fireman not main gig: it's music teacher, hence the
Django dream. The third string to the Bullgoose bow is what you seppos would call 'cattle rancher', so my musician's hands are in constant peril. It seems I've had a charmed life up to now. Shame! I just noticed I spelled Reinhardt wrong. that hurts the teacher in me. I'm currently holding off on trawling through prosthetic catalogues; stitches come out Monday, and I'm hoping to be playing again in a month or two.
I don't know what I'm doing on The Blue; there's probably a Shopsmith chat page, where you can get the plans for a dandy little guard to go over the existing jointer guard to give extra protection for clumsy fingers, the only trouble being that you have to make the guard using a Shopsmith, and I'm not quite ready to get back on that particular horse yet.
Never been to Boston, but I feel something of an affinity. While in Volcanos National Park, Hawaii, we locked the keys in our rental car. My son finds a ranger:
Son: Excuse me, mate. I've locked the keys in our car. I wonder if you could help.
Ranger: Say what?
Son: I've locked my keys in the car. Could you help me get in?
Ranger: Where you from, Boston?
Wishing you mellow fog horns for 2007.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 18:43:51 ET
Posted by: What?, Bruxelles
Hey Deacon Blue, what does this "Mannequin Pis" figure mean?
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 17:31:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I look forward to it very much, DB.
There's a sublime subtlety to 2vN that takes some work to unearth. Many years intervened between the time AJA came out and really changed and expanded rock sensibility to embrace all these great jazzy circles of influence. AJA set lots of folks off on a journey to find jazz. Before AJA I think I owned a Mose Allison record, a Wes Montgomery record, I had my Dad's Sinatra albums, one Louie (Hello Dolly no less) and one Ella I just hated. Jump ahead 23 years to 2vN and many of us graduated from 60's and 70s rock to appreciate any number of esoteric genres of jazz. For many Danfans, chiefly bebop-era jazz. Slap that new Steely Dan 2vN record in there in early 2000 and what do you hear? So many more things than you were prepared to hear in 1977. Great attention paid to pitch and harmony in the layers of instrumentation laid down on each track. Lots of pop music is all about timbre, i.e., the component of tone that makes differing instruments sound different while playing the same line, the same note. People hail this sort of stuff that Popster producers lay down as da bomb. That is a far cry from the harmonies achieved on 2vN or the attention to the individual pitch of each instrument, the thing which indicates to the ear the placement or location of a tone in relation to other tones around it, high or low. Not just relying on the fact a sax sounds different from a guitar while playing the same note but constructing complimentary and opposing notes played at varying pitch. That's what gives 2vN the richness I hear in it. The texture, layers, whatever you want to call them. It's dense. Almost Gothic, Negative Girl. Brilliant.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 16:23:24 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS
I agree with Rajah. Two against nature is their most sophisticated album after Aja. In the beginning, for me it was nothing more than a pure recyclided album. But it has growed with the time and is surely now one of my all time favourite one's. Maybe they made stronger songs in the past, but technically TAN is a real masterpiece.
Choosing a favourite Dan album is a very dificult thing. It's like choosing your favourite kid of three. Impossible thing.
But at this moment now, Aja still my number one before Nightfly and Royal Scam and all the other ones.
By the way, Orlando in may! Be sure i will be there. And this time rajah, we will see us.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 15:56:55 ET
Posted by: Bob,
I have a very simple reason why 11TOW isn't in my top ten.
Donald Fagen isn't singing!
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 15:22:03 ET
Posted by: Milo Divis,
Repeated spins do not hurt. I'm still not even sure why one would have to be urged.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 14:57:29 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
Hey, I listed 11 Tracks Of Whack next to last on my list. This doesn't mean that I don't love listening to the album. It's great, as is Pretzel Logic. Anything the Dan puts out is worthy of our listening. I think it would be more of a compliment to the artist when someone would put a magnificent record like PL on the bottom rung. Everything above must be pretty damn good. Try 11 TOW, you'll like it. Repeated spins do not hurt. I'm still not even sure why one would have to be urged.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 14:10:59 ET
Posted by: AD,,,
man, 11 Tracks seems pretty bad? I don't need anything growing on me!
Awhile ago seemed lots of people were fired up about Walter putting out another record I assume based upon how good 11 Tracks was. i will go to amazon or someplace to get some samples, but if it is that bad might be wasting my time since I kind of line up with these peoples lists preference wise.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 14:03:25 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Back in 19 and 65
There is always this discussion about which Dan album (no solos) is the best. This is impossible to nail down as it is so subjective. For my money, the top three are:
The Royal Scam (they clearly love this album as they play so much from it)
AJA -- see above.
Katy Lied -- the presence of YGT II, WU, Black Friday and Chain Lightning make this album truly great.
All the rest are in a big jumble.
With respect to the new ones, EMG and TvN are not that different. As Rajah has noted, EMG can be cartoonish, but then again so is TvN with "Dupree." Personally, I enjoy EMG more than TvN . . . both excellent albums.
I concur that the lease enjoyable album is PL.
Keep it real . . . or whatever!
Lonnie
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 13:05:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's them 2 making a comeback with a vengence against nature's dictates. 50+ year old rockers normally ain't suppose to have a second go-around. At least not one that's this good. Pullin up them weeds before they're too damn big, puttin big heat on skanky things unseen.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 13:04:33 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
The Royal Scam
Aja
The Nightfly
Gaucho
Katy Lied
Countdown To Ecstacy
Morph The Cat
Can't Buy A Thrill
TVN
Kamakiriad
Everything Must Go
11 Tracks Of Whack
Pretzel Logic
It's a shame ANYTHING has to be on the bottom. I just find Pretzel the most lacking. It does however contain my favorite song. Go figure. It's all taste anyway. Over-analyzing the Dan used to be fun, now it's just tiresome. Here's hoping for a jaunt to Louisville in the amazing Palace Theater.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 12:46:02 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Been into 2vN all week. Have a question:w hat the hell are they talking about in the title cut. Not verse by verse just in a general way?
Anybody
Thanks
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 12:09:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
11 TOW will grow on you. That's my experience
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 12:08:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah, plot thickens
Orlando in May? Now that's interesting, mayhap they are rethinking the big block date tour thing and kinda wanna spread it out ala the Allmans and others.
I love all these records but lets get down to cases. I still contend AJA and 2vN are their most sophisticated, most fully realized, complete and mature efforts. Knock out the solo records, that's not Steely Dan. Follow me here, EMG is cartoonish and fun. Gaucho is cold and disjointed. Scam their headbang record, Katy Lied seems unfinished and sounds muddy. Pretzel Logic is a transitional record. CTE is experimental and CBAT by their own admission was juvenile.
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 12:00:31 ET
Posted by: missing posts??,
haven't been on in awhile, there was something back there about missing posts?
Doctor Mu, I haven't tried 11 Tracks now amybe i won't. Is it that bad?
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 09:43:04 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu,
1. Katy Lied
2. Nightfly (DVD-A)
3. Aja
4. Royal Scam
5. Morph the Cat - the cat's meow!! Best album since the Nightfly!
6. Gaucho
7. Countdown to Ecstacy
8. Two Against Nature
9. Kamakiriad (DVD-A)
10. Pretzel Logic
11. Everything Must Go
12. Can't Buy a Thrill
13. 11 Tracks of Whack
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 09:25:23 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Ummm Baltimore to AC maybe a 2 hour drive, in my books that's a walk in the park! Hope springs eternal for an East Coast Showing. Isn't there a Casino about an hours drive from Baltimore in WV? Come to think of it there's a couple in Delaware they could play. Bring it on we're all set to go!!!
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 08:52:37 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State
While I love the idea of a "casino tour"-- I HATE the outdoor venues that SD typically plays-- when you live in Baltimore (as I do) it's a loooooooooooooong drive to the nearest casino (the Borgata in AC, NJ being the closest).
Date: Fri, January 05, 2007, 07:52:53 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
I just checked and YAHOO! it looks like Steely are staring to book maybe ???? the start of a Summer Tour?? and it even says check back for more! Please roll out the "Heavy Rollers" Tour. All of us Dan fans need another go around. Donald/Walter please rule the earth in 2007!
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 23:48:51 ET
Posted by: New Tour date, orlando
NEW tour date on sd,com. Use "refresh" to s.
May 12 Hard Rock Orlando. on sale 1/13 !
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 21:37:48 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
To ask which Steely Dan offering I like better/best is like asking me what stage of my children's lives I have enjoyed/will enjoy more. In real time, I think we're up to about the "Katy Lied" (teen-aged) stage now and it is full of delicious twists, turns, joy and heartbreak!
That's not to say that I don't harken back to the mesmerizing "CBAT" days of childhood or look forward to the more mature "Aja" (college) and beyond. I guess I have to say that EMG is and has been my favorite, chiefly because it speaks to my life and recent fond memories. This has nothing to do with production, solos, musicians...it's completely subjective to me.
Didn't Donald say that nostalgia is a form of depression? I think they make drugs for that.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 20:57:20 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
A belated Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah and Happy New Year to all my friends here in the Blue. The holidays were nice here and I hope they were the same for all of you.
As for my favorite Steely Dan album (I still call them albums), Katy Lied is my #1. Sound wise it may not be the best, but the collection of songs and the stories they tell always leave me in a better way than before I listen. From the despair of being "so alone" in Bad Sneakers, to relating to Black Friday,(current state of my industry), to the hope in Any World, and of course my all time favorite Dr. Wu, listening to Katy Lied is always an emotional event. For 30 years now this collection has been with me and no matter where in my life I have been, it has always been relevant. It has brought me up and knocked me down. It would be the "if I could only have one album on an island with me" album.
My #2 without doubt is Aja. In many ways I think it is a superior recording to Katy Lied, but the personal connection to the songs is not the same. Aja is pure listening pleasure. It just envelopes me every time I listen to it. I get lost in it, especially Black Cow, Aja and Deacon Blues. I'll be in the car for an extended period and next thing I know Josie is almost over. Aja gave me an appreciation for Jazz. As a teenager it gave me the confidence to listen to something different than everyone else was. Aja was the background music to most of my early dates. It was always the music I tested new stereo equipment with, from my first set of Advent speakers, to my first CD player. I pray for the day Aja is released in 5.1.
So there is my two cents for what its worth.
I have been listening this week to Neil Young's new release from Filmore East. Neil with early Crazy Horse, good stuff. Check it out.
I am looking forward to hearing all about the Heavy Roller shows coming up. Perhaps live reports to the Green Room are in order from the shows. That would certainly bring back some great memories and be a good time. Who is up for it?
Thats it from here. Mid 40's at 9PM in January in New England, perhaps a trip to the porch is in order!!!
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 19:38:23 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Poor Bullgoose!!! So sorry to hear of your injury--- but glad you at least enjoyed the anesthesia... I thought firefighters usually injured themselves on the job ... not in woodshop. Poor guy!
All kidding aside-- great to hear from you- take care of youself--- watch those bows and arrows... and all good dunes to you.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 18:51:14 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home from hospital bonalbo
A belated but hearty Furry Greetmas, Festive Snowbody and Components of the System along with an Eeerie New Hap to any and all Revellers-in-Dan from Old Bullgoose.
Please to excuse the spooneristic tyops on account of I have not for to all of my facilities in present. One hand finger is all typing go non at present. New Ear Leave not being up all to the full scratch of it, on account of Bullgoose muckings around with Shopsmith wood machine for making arrows for bow'narrow for Number Two boyson. All possible care and attention for keep big bullgoose mits away from spinning circular saw blade oh boy, forget about also spinning jointer blade connect same machine close by. Eh la la! Rip tear chew gnaw. Not good. Two hundred mile drive to big hospital, dreamin' about Captain Hook and Django Rheinhardt. Two night in hospital, operation, back home now, finger crossed. New Year resolution: Shoot Da Shopsmith, heal up hand, start playing the music again.
Lot of waitings around in the hospitals: time for the think and ponder. Here's what I remember:
General anaesthetic all good. No bad side. Nothing to scare of. Surprise more rich folk not just truck up to hospital: "General anaesthesia, my good man. No operation, just general anaesthesia." It's that good.
If you're a musician and worried about your voice you can ask for the "singer's funnel thing" which means they don't have to feed a tube down past your vocal cords.
There's always, always, someone worse off than you.
I reckon the most apt SD three in a row would go Caves of Altamira/Deacon Blues/ What I Do. Together, they speak to me of what It might be like to be DonWalt: the enigmacy, the yearning, the aspiration and loserness and, finally, just being who you are.
Cheers from
Your Recouperative Boy
Bullgoose
Nil By Mouth
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 18:34:24 ET
Posted by: Marian McPartland, The first and only she ever did in a musician's home studio is on tonight
Live from Keith Jarrett's. McPartland's intro called Jarrett's improvisations "absolutely mesmerizing," and Jarrett gave her tix to the concert that is now the legendary CD Live at Carnegie Hall 2005.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 13:56:38 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, time warp
HAPPY BIRTHDAY NOT DONALD FAGEN!
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 13:52:40 ET
Posted by: angel,
Uh, that would be January 10th for Donald Fagen's Birthday.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 13:27:30 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
Mein Gott, I almost forgettin, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DONALD FAGEN, 59 years young today.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 13:20:25 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Robert: thanks for all your efforts on behalf of this danfest. I know it will be a great time.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 12:46:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Rajah and Sigmund
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 12:39:25 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
Yah, yah, what ze Rajah says is zertainly zo. My advize isht to hold onto zee goot tings when they come around. Plenty of time for ze schtuff dat zucks.
Zo lets go to dee Schteely Dan show, party till u puke, i have no anszers...
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 12:35:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah, the excitement is building
Bigger darker things...what could they be?
AJA holds together as an integrated entity, it's really a big suite in seven movements, it's overall theme I've come to think of as a journey inside yourself, looking into your heart, your head, your soul and coming to grips with who you really are, the good, the bad. Copping to who you are and what you want, how you really feel about people and things in an honest way. We have a great capacity all of us to bullshit ourselves, accentuating the positive is OK and all that but sometimes you have to get down with your bad self, and I do mean "bad" self, the things about yourself that maybe aren't so pretty or flattering. Can you have good without bad? How can you know happiness if you haven't known sadness? Sweet w/o bitter, light w/o dark? Success without failure? People who don't cop to bummer stuff scare me.
And as I've blathered on before, that line from that dopey "Steely Dan Show," song probably strikes at the core of what these guys are all about better than anything: "a secret sorrow that keeps you up all night." Something in your life past or present that just sucks so bad but there's nothing for it. You have to live with it, maybe for a brief period of time, maybe forever. One thing fer shur, nobody gets out of this life without some kind of devastating sorrow, the lucky ones go through it with short bursts of bummerdom and some folks have to live every day with their own personal secret sorrow that never goes away. Yikes.
Roll them dice, the unreal thing about living is how very real it is.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 12:05:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Where is Sigmund. I'm dying to hear his take on Donny and Walty's motivation for Heavy Rollers tour - CBS deal.
Dr. Freud are you there
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 11:44:46 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I was in Santa Ynez earlier this week, and I stopped by the casino to check out some things for the Danfest. I asked the woman at the ticket window if she had heard anything about the SD concert being recorded. She replied that she thought it was just going to be a concert.
Either that's the case, or they're keeping this very quiet.
We can always dream.
...Ah yes. Memories of cruising to Katy Lied.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 11:30:59 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba,
And before there's any flaming... Aja's an awesome album of course. I just wouldn't listen to it nonstop.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 11:26:44 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, The Cyclopean 11TOW
Hey Bobbo,
Keep on listening to 11TOW. I've had several nonstop listening sessions since its release, and I don't believe I've incurred any serious...damage. Eventually you lighten up again; it's just a temporary tanning.
Ditto on the scores for Katy Lied and Royal Scam. Aja never did it for me, though.
"H.P. Lovecraft of rock"? That's a great Necro-moniker. But probably somebody like Zeppelin already took it ;-)
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 11:16:39 ET
Posted by: Mr Know it, all
Raj - Craig B says:
"Rajah’s theory seems adequate but there has to be bigger darker things at work".
Raj- Mr.B is right on here. Sorry to say your theory is wrong again.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 10:39:43 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, sneaking up on that "pessimistic deal"
Hey Danners,
Godamighty, I was low on the "meaning" of Heavy Rollers '07 yesterday at about this time, what the Hell...?! Jeez, I'm antsy about this two-or-three-show deal, can't quite explain how or why. Ask any among us who I've been lucky to be around for any time at all, I'm the Original quiet-but-happy Faded Tripster...so, from the heart, sorry to hit that last downbeat so soundly. Again, makes no sense to me, except that 11 TRACKS OF WHACK may be getting to me, finally (new purchase/first listen in the last three weeks or so), so BLAME WALTER...yes.
My "fave" Dan album is always a different one, sometimes to go with a mood or particular timeframe or trip out-and-about, and quite frequently because "it's been a while" with whatever respective title. When they were new, 2vN and EMG each had a straight four-month benchmark (same with MORPH), but...is AJA the only "canonical" Dan album you're listening to? 'Cause, honestly, of course it's impossible to pick favorites, but if I've spent a full week away from KATY LIED since my first listen in '91 or so, I can't recall one. And very similar scores for AJA and ROYAL SCAM (now THAT is a "moody" soundtrack for me, believe it)...
At the moment, however (and allow me to reiterate), I MUST FIND A WAY TO ESCAPE THIS FIRST-AND-ONLY BECKER ALBUM. Lord help me, I'm...I'm beginning to "darken," kids, and don't know quite how to take it...ahem. Is Walter, like, some sort of High Priest or something? Is "the H.P.Lovecraft of Rock" a term anyone else here would be willing to endorse, in any extent whatsoever? Godamighty.
And that's all I've got for now; CHUMASH WILL ROCK! In a groovy, mostly-syncopated-and-ten-eleventh's-worth-FULLY ORCHESTRATED manner; I'm now sure of it, Hell yeah (and pass the steam power, partners)!
Thanks for lettin' me rattle, I'll shut up for a while; got surfing and/or dyin' to do. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 09:18:17 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Thanks for the correction "who dont". I figure at my age missing it by a year is pretty damn good. Especially considering the toxins that were polluting my brain on a daily basis at My Old School.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 08:53:47 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Raj you are not alone in thinking that 2vN is a very fine album indeed. I keep going back to it, a great motivator for house cleaning by the way. I also play Gaucho a lot!! As far as EMG is concerned I find it to be my least favorite but I also realize that I have a tendency to save albums for later listening, so hopefully it will be nice treat. I don't know about the rest of you but I always associate music with different periods of my life, I also do that with smells. I will hear or smell something and it will bring me right back to that time and what I was feeling. As I have mentioned before AJA brings me back to a pretty lonely time in my teenagehood but it also brings me great joy.
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 05:35:52 ET
Posted by: who dont, drgrsdfar
houdoufan- the following is a portion of the discography lifted from sd .com, Aja was in fact released in 77, not 76.
1972 Can't Buy A Thrill
Lyrics
1973 Countdown to Ecstasy
Lyrics
1974 Pretzel Logic
Lyrics
1975 Katy Lied
Lyrics
1976 The Royal Scam
Lyrics
1977 Aja
Lyrics
1978 Greatest Hits (Compilation)
Steely Dan
Date: Thurs, January 04, 2007, 05:18:02 ET
Posted by: hassa, aqui
DAN CLASSHOLE- YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT-IN SO MANY WAYS, BUT SUCKER PUNCHED?? PLEASE...
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 23:40:52 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I agree with Craig B. Plus, the profit from doing three shows at small venues with a 9 to 10 piece band traveling across the US is nominal. There is something else at work here. Since I'm not going it will likely by a live recorded show, which will probably be the 4th cd in Donald's 4 box set. Ok the wine has kicked in and this LSU/ND game sucks.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 23:37:00 ET
Posted by: Dan Classicist,
The release of TvN was a severe let down for me when it came out in 2000. That album has no cajones, nor the punch of the classic Dan or even the Fagen solo releases. At the time I thought why was the Great Steely Dan tarnishing their legend? They should have stayed in retirement, so I thought at the time. And when they won four Grammies for TvN, I thought WTF, and it served to reinforce my already then low opinion of the Academy.
The greatest thing that TvN achieved was that it led to a resurgence of the Dan, although not from an artistic standpoint in the classic Dan view. People bought it because the Dan was "back" it was highly promoted in the mass media. Had that album tanked, they probably would have been finished. Also without the commercial success of TvN, most of the classic Danfans would have never gotten to see them live on tour.
The latter parts of EMG and large portions of Morph mark a true artistic resurgence of the classic Dan, with possibly more to come. Unfortunately, as we are seeing it will be difficult to get a major label, particularly in today's quick buck climate to distribute the Dan's work as we are seeing with the low sales of Morph. Used to be labels would develop artists, subsidize classical and other niche genres with profits from their big sellers. Such is no longer the case, it seems.
It is a good thing, though that the Dan wishes to continue even touring 3000 seat venues and 40 to 50 thousand in album sales.
But it is unlikely there will be another miracle of a TvN, clearly one of their lesser efforts, like when a 45 year old George Foreman came out of retirement and sucker punched a younger man for the Heavyweight title to bring back the Dan's commercial clout. The Greendays, Nickelbacks, Kanye Wests, Chingys, Eminems and Nellys of today are too tough to beat.
"Those days are gone forever, over a long time ago...."
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 23:24:21 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Here is my take. Aja will always be my favorite because that sound blew me away when it came out in 76, especially the first 3 tracks. But 2VN is by far superior soundwise to any SD album ever. And after seeing Donald perform several songs from Nightfly live in early 06, that is now my third favorite album. I actually like EMG much more than Morph. Tracks 4-7 on EMG are excellent. When I really want to go back its Citizen Dan #1.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 23:10:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Where the hell is Sigmund.
Rajah’s theory seems adequate but there has to be bigger darker things at work.
Nothing with these guys is ever simple
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 22:47:37 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Old Bunny: just finished watching the Aja DVD tonight and you were right...I did love it. It's interesting to see the recording process, the approach to writing, etc.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 21:49:41 ET
Posted by: prez logic, almost heaven
My favorite Steely Dan album, including solo efforts, usually depends on my mood at the time of listening. I return to them all for different reasons...it's been Morph the Cat since March though.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 21:46:33 ET
Posted by: me, here
All i have to say about Morph is that it has by far the longest stretch of tracks on any SD/DF album that I just don't need to hear. It runs from H-gang up to and including Security Joan. And after Mona, I don't need to hear the rest of the CD.
Unfortunately, I did not have the luxury of popping in this CD and just letting the tracks grow on me the way I did with Kamakiriad. There was months of reading about it and hearing the songs live before the CD came out. So when I finally got the CD, I was thinking about everything I had read about the songs as I listened to them. But can that make the difference between liking and not liking it? Probably not, but since it didn't fly for me, I wish I had experienced it differently.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 21:26:33 ET
Posted by: Robert&Lauire, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
For years I thought Aja was only OK. My favorite work was Gaucho(YGT2). Recently I've come to relize the beauty of Aja. I really think 2VN is a great work as well, but in my humble opinion I don't hear how Morph is in the same league. Maybe I'm missing something.
Do any of you also find that your favorite SD work changes with time?
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 20:40:45 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
I must say that 2vN is by far my favorite, although Aja runs a close 2nd in my playlist. (This is purely from a non-musician point of view.)
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 20:07:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wow, I'm shocked to be so in the minority over 2vN. I rate Steely Dan albums Aja-1, 2vN-2. Omigod, my Turban is so out of touch. Help me I'm meltinnnnng...
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 19:21:13 ET
Posted by: murph, the catwalk beside the warehouse
2vn is like Junket custard. EMG is more like rice pudding with cinnamon, and morph is like stove-toasted peeps.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 19:16:07 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
hey, SD booking agent, if you do a google search of 'steely dan corporate event' you get a bunch of places that say they represent SD...it looks every company lists the same roster of artists...
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 19:10:25 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan's Corporate Booking Agent, Grabow
http://www.grabow.biz/HighBudgetSpecialEvents/Steely-Dan-.htm
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 19:07:32 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Dear Dandom;
Due to a system glitch, the Blue is missing 9 posts from about 3:25 pm yesterday through 1:00 am this morning. These will be restored within 24 hours. My apologies for the problem and thank you for your patience. Most of all, thank you for your writings which are very much valued.
Sincerely,
jim
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 19:03:07 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah- I have to agree with Mu. I think Morph is much better than 2VN. As much as I love EMG I like Morph better as well.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 18:59:06 ET
Posted by: daCat,
Raj - Morph is MUCH MUCH beter than 2vn!
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 18:48:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
My Esteemed Dr. Mu, you are not seriously telling me Morph is better than 2vN??? Now c'mon, can't you taste the richness of those 2vN layers? It's like delicate flaky French pastry. Morph is like a rich creme brulee'. EMG is like Tiramisu.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 18:38:53 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,
Raj: time is money, but not creativity. Morph was recorded in a fraction of the time and $ compared with TvN...and it's a better album, almost as shiny, with way better guitar.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 18:36:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Angel, wasn't that a fun take on Western World? I know that got you dancin'. Girl has GOT to dance.
I'm with you there Chris, most friends I have born in the Fifties like me do know who Steely Dan, probably have a vinyl or two of theirs stashed in the attic but have long since stopped being aware of what's ocurring, stopped buying records or listening to any new music. Which is a damn shame cause that's one sure way to get old. They have no idea these guys are still at it or how creative and relevant they continue to be while so many many others have fallen by the wayside.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 16:52:47 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey, maybe we will get a souped up tune ala Here at the Western World. :-)
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 16:51:47 ET
Posted by: chris, ma
i've never understood Don+Walt's reluctance for TV appearences, especially for a band like Steely Dan that will sell quite a few albums if their audience is aware, but is probably not to keen on the internet and probably doesn't listen to a whole lot of radio/read Rolling Stone (I'm basing this off of a handfull of Dan fans who were born in the 60s and grew up during the original period, and not my generation of dan fans whose parents turned us on to them). If Steely Dan should be getting shit for anything, it should be for the fact that their music shows up on Muzak playlists that are very rigidly formed to encourage people to buy more shit. That's no better than using a song to promote a product in a commercial, in my opinion. As for this gig, sounds like a terrible time for the band but probably a whole lot of cash for playing their own stuff - i'm sure any of us musicians would jump at the opportunity.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 16:48:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
You are a true fan, GM, and ain't nothin wrong with that, baby.
I dunno what this other guy's crack about them avoiding their fans is coming from, I could care less what they do, who they screw, what they put on their cornflakes. Boxers or briefs? Don't give a damn. Don't own any posters, I do have a busted key-chain and a little cardboard wheel. What I am interested in is how they do what they do musically, the knowledge and respect they have for great artists of the past, both musical and lierary. And of course the pride they take in their work. So sue me.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 15:38:21 ET
Posted by: Thats a good reason why, DF and WB avoid fans
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 15:21:16 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Here at the Cortlandt Manor world
Rajah I'm a kid (more or less) and I'll buy anything Steely Dan et al can shove into my hot little hands. And it's people of my generation that can keep SD's legacy going. Know how? Two words: edjumacshun. That's right, spreading the good word. I myself can't shut up about Steely Dan. In the last six years every friend I've made, every person I've ever worked with, every customer in every store I've been employed at (and even some I haven't been employed at), every member of my family and every stranger on the street knows how much I love Steely Dan. And at some point someone turns to me and says, "Margaret, will you make me a Steely Dan cd?" Then not only do I make the cd but I also include why I choose the particular selections and through in some fun trivia (the Naked Lunch reference is always on the cover). Then they listen and they fall in love and then they call me from the Virgin Megastore and say "Hey, I'm gonna buy some Steely Dan, what do you recommend I pick up?" These are all true stories.
And as if that wasn't enough I've also done public readings of the Steely Dan passages from Naked Lunch. Then people don't know what the hell I'm talking about. But they're intriguied and as Todd Rundgren might say that's all that matters.
And if that wasn't enough then I go into massive amounts of debt traveling the country to see Steely Dan. Then people either become more intrigued with a band that would make someone do such a thing (it's the subliminal messages) or they back off entirely for fear of going deep into debt for the same reasons. Either way they're learning something.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 15:17:51 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I have attended several private/corporate shows in the past. Corporate events are fun due to the small settings but typically are greatest hits shows (ala the SD/MM summer tour of 2006). I.E. 3/4 of the audience will have heard "Do It Again" but 99% wont have a clue if they play "Dr Wu". Hopefully if the boys do a greatest hits show for the suits, it wont carry over to the casino shows.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 14:48:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
He's on a friggin cruise till next week, I left him a message but I doubt he'd know anything about the Conference, we need somebody at CBS. I continue to dig, trust me. Where did I put Marg Helgenberger's cell number.... Damn.
B-Bo, looking forward as much to seeing you all and meeting you all as I am to see the Dan. We are the best fans any artist could have and we deserve treats like what's comin up. Why? Because we're worth it, dahlings.
Maybe I'm all wet like Mr Truth says but I like my theory. Of course they'll do another album, it may take 3 years but what else do they have to do? They make records is what they do. They do it better than anybody, always have and now as we come towards the last chapters of their career they're gonna spend spend spend. Gleaming consoles down in Miami loaded with who knows what kind of 21st century gear created by brainiac engineers, hideously expensive session players doing take after take till they pop and months and months to do it in. Think of the take-out bills alone. Those Szechuan dumplings ain't cheap, Mable.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 14:35:31 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Raj
What does your "Hollywood guy" say
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 14:10:57 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, amazed at Rajah's (first-ever) ineptitude at the old Prognostication gig...
Rajah,
My hero, old soul, funky first-twin-removed-via-barbeque, better-than-I mentor, no. And no.
The CBS gig came first, let us not lie to ourselves, bro. Some dates have been filled in to add a little profit to the whole venture, and that is that. Now, the more optimistic of us will hope for a live album or DVD being captured (but I doubt it), and the more brutal/needy members of our little clan are hoping for Walter's Second Big Coming Out Dealy...we're all wrong. What we'll get, I think, is a SET FOR THE RICH, a 2nd Coming of the '06 set, and I'm sad to predict it, old friend, but I don't expect much from our Heroes at this juncture. Sorry, that's my take.
I spent a bloody fortune (and some $200 or so still owing, truth be told) to attend the Texas Danfest leg of '06 alone, and the shows were exquisite, yes, but...I don't know anymore, partner. I really don't.
Nevertheless, I've booked the flight to Santa Barbara, and a suite in Buellton/Solvang, and I WILL ATTEND. Do or die. Last legs. All aboard, now or never. Right? Right. I'll be there, and for what? I LOVE THIS BAND, BUT THEY ARE KILLIN' ME, MAN. "Don't seem right, I've been strung out here SINCE '88."
Needless to say, after booking my trip for good or ill this early morning, I'll be there. But I'll be there primarily to see YOU, Raj, you earlier-than-I-but-somehow-still-cooler version of us all. I'm coming for you guys out there in California, fellas, for all of you. And if the show is okay, I'll cheer. I'll be glad to see the boys, but to be right down-to-the-bone honest, I don't expect much; I think Don and Walt have finally begun to do the unthinkable: they're selling us out, doesn't it seem? Too bad, but I'll come to the conclave and hang anyway.
And I'll bring as much bloody rum as I can get my hands on out there in Santa Barbara, I PROMISE. So, in the long run, it's gonna be alright. Right?
Right?
Lemme know,
bobbo
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 14:10:08 ET
Posted by: who are these children,
THWACK! Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll....
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 14:01:58 ET
Posted by: Mr. Know, It all
Rajah - There you go again. Or should I say, wrong again.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 13:57:48 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
It's all about the T-shirts.
Man; I need to get back to work.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 13:43:15 ET
Posted by: YGK, nyc
Ok, Rajah, my old friend, I'll take a stab: the answer, I believe comes right out of Detroit, by way of hiphop: M&M!
That's right, the old Merchandising & Marketing.
It's relatively low cost to produce, trinkets and such, T's, maybe even Steely Dans as keychains!!!
Hire a marketing guru - a low cost outfit - to push it out...street markets, toy stores, late night TV spots, and let's not forget about CHINA! What a huge open market for the Dan...
So make some new merch and market the heck out of it to street vendors, Times Square bookies, and the multi-Billion (that's right, Billion) dollar potential that is China...
I want my Steely Dan Keychain NOW!
ygk
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 13:42:10 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, onTheDunes in Morro Bay
I would love to see them produce a new work that truly takes advantage of surround sound 5.1 - The music would have to be engineered in 3-D. Imagine the possibilities.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 13:28:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
So we're flying back to CA from CT yesterday afternoon, I start to wonder about this NATPE gig Steely Dan is apparently doing. So my Turban starts to heat up and spin around a bit and I'm wondering...why? What the heck is that all about? So here's my latest assessment, analysis and half-assed theory:
Entertainment conglomerates being what they are today, many of them have a TV division, a movie division, a video game division, maybe a music division. Like, for example, CBS. Now EMG was a very nice record, I adore it, but it was done for a lot less money than 2vN, which, it was reported at the time, was the costliest album ever. If they do another Steely Dan album, are they going back down the analog route or are they going to avail themselves of the state-of-the-art super computer digital wonderland that exists out there today in 2007? If there is one band who can use technology to its fullest potential in the most creative of ways, hey buddy, it's Steely Dan. These guys are the original, "what does it do, what can we plug it into, yo Don, push that button while I slide this thingy over," band. Afraid of new technology they ain't, they love that stuff and that stuff costs beaucoups bucks. If 2vN costed say 1M to produce and they wanted to produce a comparable record 7 years later, what would that cost? 3M? 5M? All those players, all that studio time, all those gizmos. We're talkin lots of green.
Now add to this the fact that Steely Dan records do not exactly fly off the shelf. Compared to the Popistas of the day, they don't sell for beans. Forget that they continue to produce some of the finest music on the planet, kids don't buy this stuff. No record company is going to make money on a Steely Dan record here in the new Milennium. But I dare say you'd be hard pressed to find anybody in the music business who knows anything about anything who doesn't think Don and Walt are amongst the best writers and producers ever.
So how does Steely Dan 2007 raise the dough for their 10th studio album? It starts with NATPE and CBS. Then throw in a couple of low-pressure Casino gigs to give the band a couple nice paychecks to start the year. Fly out on a Monday, be back in town Sunday night.
OK, come at me...
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 13:07:59 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Craig - No problem.
The band was pretty good though. The venue was the best. It looked like a hundred year old warehouse divided up into self storage. An old wooden industrial complex of some sort.
They had built a bandstand inside, and the place was lined with about six or eight old couches.
I'm sure the fumes from the place were recognizable for miles away, but we never got busted.
And oh those Orange County California girls!
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 11:52:42 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York City
Hey Happy New Year!
Hoops!
Watch your email...
Greetings and best wishes to all...this looks to be a promising and inventive new year...on many fronts...peace and love all around...
ygk
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 11:44:03 ET
Posted by: CHUMASH ,
TIX. SOLD OUT!!
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 11:18:05 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Robert
My apologies for that crack about your friends band.
Date: Wed, January 03, 2007, 12:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah, back to LA
back in Tinseltown
Robert & Laurie, my dear spouse and I would be honored and gratified to join you in Row 2, I commend you for schmoozing that Heavy Roller lady the morning we met at the Chumash box office.
Now, anybody want two in the 10th Row for Chumash next to our beloved SteveeDan? He's single, brilliant and looking...
Het Brain, shit, I said something about those guitar chords in Brooklyn, didn't I? There's agreat mash-up ready for the right artisan with Rikki-Fool-Brooklyn-Heartbeat.
I'm getting more excited about what's going to happen in a few days than freakin Xmas and New Years put together.
Let's go, Dandom, we have some work to do.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 9:07 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,I will if I ever go back there...tomorrow.
Happy New Year to you Hoops and all of Dandom!
I was watching an Xmas gift I got from my niece. The first season of "Weeds", a Showtime program starring Mary Louise Parker. It's a pretty funny show about a widowed suburban soccer mom who tries to make ends meet by becoming the neighborhood pot dealer. In one episode she visits a Weed Boutique that sells medical marijuana and pot-laced food and candy to people who are prescribed marijuana (only in California). The name of the Weed store is "Bodhi Sativa". Obviously a play on Bodhisattva. As co-star Kevin Nealon says going to Bodhi Sativa "is like going to Amsterdam, except you don't have to visit the Anne Frank house and pretend you're all sad". LOL!
Mark in Boston
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 8:35 ET
Posted by: wait a second,
so this means that walt becker has moved up a notch as Best Male Vocalist to be used by the Dan?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 7:44 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Er, Brain...that's not Palmer, that's Hodder.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 6:19 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
We were looking for the Old Testament song from which "Rikki Don't Lose that Number" was derived. This one took some interesting twists and turns.
Steely Dan/DF songs have so many "movements" and snippets, earlier verse melodies later used as chorus in subsequent songs, novel instruments/sounds etc. that several answers are possible on these types of derivation questions. Where there is usually a best answer that we are looking for there arise some other tangents not anticipated and discussion from which we all can learn something, which is what it is all about.
RAJAH started off with the astute observation that "Turn that Heartbeat" and "Only a Fool" are pretty good matches for Rikki. The key thing that he does to go back as early as possible into the OT and work his way back forward. DOCTOR MU (DOC MU same person?) and BOBBO came in with "Razor Boy", which was acknowledged as a key intermediate step in getting to "Rikki". There will be a question involving "Razor Boy" forthcoming, so hold that thought.
If you hadn't listened to CBAT for quite a while, and had listened to "Rikki"/"Aja" of late, the song MIDNITE CRUISER would be apparent as the best answer as to which song from which sonically "Rikki" was derived If you could remove those twangy country vocals by Dave Palmer and substitute someone, such as Don F, add in "Rikki's" little piano fragment after each line of its verse to "Cruisers'" already dark, moody piano accompaniment to the verse on "Rikki" you have it. There is also SD's first use, on "Cruiser" of that harp/zither? magic wand? breaking glass? pixie dust? sound effect in its transitions present that is found on very few SD tunes, such as "Rikki", "Aja" and "Pixeleen" that is particuarly telling, and sets it apart from the others, sonically.
As an aside, BOBBO came in with "Brooklyn", which could be in there melodically with "Rikki" but that song, the use of David Palmer and some other songs (e.g.Dirty Work) on CBAT might lead one to believe that SD might have eventually evolved into becoming like the EAGLES, or even ALABAMA. Which could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending one's perspective. lol.
Although new twists and turns were uncovered and we might now perceive several SD tunes in new ways we had never thought of before, DR HOO was first with the best answer of "Midnite Cruiser".
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 4:22 ET
Posted by: Robert &Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Rajah - Would you and Gretchen like to sit with Laurie and I in the second row?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 3:29 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 12:38:56 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Interesting reading, keeping Don's "cartoon" comment in mind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/remembering-reagan-nosta_b_36050.html
Thanks for the totally offensive post-this retort being the exception.
Thanks for the laundry list of every sniveling Leftwing slogan, talking point, bumpersticker, and sound byte that was ever unsuccessfully thrown at Reagan.
The Left's greatest anger with Reagan is that he stopped dead in its tracks that miserable era of psychotic self-loathing that had engulfed America throughout the 1970s.
Reagan actually made people proud to be Americans again.
The Left never forgave him for that.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 15:20:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah, back to LA
I will if I ever go back there...tomorrow.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 13:37:30 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Rajah - Did you get my email at work?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 13:24:10 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Didnt know of the Snoop
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 13:03:33 ET
Posted by: long beach Posse,
Craig B. were you awre of Snoop Dogg while you were growing up in long beach was he famous before he was famous?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 12:50:29 ET
Posted by: John Klemmer,
Hey mr belzoni, up on the hill -
Yeah, we covered Klemmer playing on Caves of Altamira back when Ann from Borneo was looking for Steely Sax Solos a month or so ago.
Why do you ask?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 12:47:32 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Robert
In a haze from my Long Bch(born and raised) days I sort of remember being in some type of garage listening to a horrible band, might have been your buddy.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 12:41:00 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Craig B.
It's good to know there are still SD lovers in the high desert. I lived in Victorville from 1978 - 1989. In a past life I ran the head shop on 7th street.
Most of my friends were into Led Zeppelin, but one day while partying with a bunch of friends in Newport Beach my friend Steve discovered Aja. A crowd of about 30 partiers listened to it twenty times that day. They were not happy, but I was.
My friend Steve (20) shacked up with Lita Ford (13) and helped her develop her skills on the guitar. They had a bandstand set up in a storage warehouse in Long Beach. Those were some good old times.
Can't wait to meet you at Maverick's.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 12:38:56 ET
Posted by: No Kids at Casino gigs, ticket page
FYI did anyone notice on the "buy tickets" page or thereabouts for both Jan dates it says 18 years or older?
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 11:56:03 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, up on the hill
ok danheads, does anyone know if, and on what album a jazz perfomer named john clemmer plays ??
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 11:55:00 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Who else... My daughter Christabelle
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 11:09:01 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, kind of pissed at ya, Brain Strainer old buddy!
Hey Brain Strainer...
Y'know, I'm probably the only feller around thinkin' this, but...isn't the answer to a trivia question supposed to be, y'know, instantly verifiable? I mean, fer God's sake, man...um. What's the damned question, again? Next Guess: "Brooklyn"? Now, go on and tell me why not.
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 10:32:09 ET
Posted by: Robbert, Netherworld
Greetings all, and Happy 2007 !!
At the risk of asking a silly question: does anyone know if there will be more shows this month or next month? Or are the two announced shows the only ones they will be doing until the summer?
It would be great to get some feedback on this. I am close to making final arrangements to cross the atlantic to attend the Santa Ynez gig; it will help me to know, if there will be more gigs this winter.
Thanks in advance !
- Robbert, The Netherlands
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 09:52:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
We did indeed meet because of this Bluebook, and of course our admiration for Donald and Walter's work through the years, something for which, tangentially, Jim McKay will have to answer for on the day of reckoning. Gretchen found me to be so revolting, so cloying, obnoxious and self-centered, lurid, disgusting and shallow that she simply had to have me. She used to call Jim up in an hysterical state and beg him to take down my posts when I got a little too "randy." This, of course, after she'd email me and tell me how sexy I was. She basically stalked me, OK? Ah la femme, a tangled ganglia of contradictions. So another tip for the fellas out there would be that when a woman finds you so distastful, so revolting, basically, you've got her.
The Maverick's definitely a place where high spirits arenot frowned upon. I've got my outfit picked out, it's that yellow leopard cowboy suit with matching cane and gloves.
Craig, I hear you guys are coming as Roy Rogers and Dale Evans...cool, who's playing "Trigger?"
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 09:45:02 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Good choice Robert..was concerned you'd book this crowd at some fine winery. This is the place that has mechanical bull?
Leave the El Camino home Raj bring your new Van
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 07:21:38 ET
Posted by: Actifed, dreamland
Any truth to the rumour that they're going to co-bill with Snoop Dogg? Lookin' forward to the hoochie mamas.
Don't forget to pick up your costume before the show...
http://hollywoodcostumesandparty.com/cgi-bin/store/perlshop.cgi?action=ENTER&thispage=page103.htm&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!
Date: Tues, January 02, 2007, 00:04:35 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
All of you going to the show I am envious because I would love to be there. I just wish it was in the spring or summer and then I would be in!! Heres hoping they play a couple in NYC.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 22:52:00 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SY
Robert-I was about to offer my assistance as a local resident here in SY but you have gone ahead and made a great choice- perfect location & quite an array of yokels. Like Eric, I have been a long time reader and first-time-fester so I am looking forward to it!
Did Raj and Gretchen meet through this guestbook?
And remember, they got Heavy Rollers, they think we should know... brilliant!
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 21:59:03 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Midnite Cruiser
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 21:39:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Robert, the Maverick is a lot of fun, especially the fully stuffed bear in the foyer. Love the barroom. Excellent choice, can't wait.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 21:39:18 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, (long time reader, first time fester)
I'm there.
Nice work.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 20:18:07 ET
Posted by: Robert&Lauire, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I just got back from Santa Ynez. We have a room at the Maverick Saloon for our Danfest. The room has a stage and holds 150 people. Check out mavericksaloon.org. It's a cross between a cowboy and a biker bar so we should be able to have a lot of fun. Mark the bar manager penciled us in from 4:00 PM to 6:45 PM. I plan to bring my 100 Watt stereo and set it up on the stage so it will be Steely Dan all the time.
For those that haven't figured this out yet - the casino is dry. Maverick's is only a mile walk from saloon door to the casino stage. This should be some pre-show party. Tell all your friends!
If we wind up staggering over to the casino there is a shoulder and a crosswalk almost the whole way. I am working with the transportation coordinator at the casino to try to get a shuttle bus from the saloon to the casino at 6:45 PM but this seems unlikely. I also talked to the local cab company - I guess he's a regular at Maverick's. They will provide an extra taxi at the saloon that night.
"Denise from Hinktown" graciously offered her expertise as a graphic artist to create an awesome T-shirt. We'll be finalizing those details this week.
There will be food available from Big Tom's Backyard BBQ. The ordering and serving window opens right up into our reserved room.
Please let me know if any of you have any ideas or suggestions for the night.
Let's make this a Danfest to Remember.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 14:21:03 ET
Posted by: Peter Pan,
Raj- Now you can finally stop trying to figure out why Steely Dan would put together a full band to play just two shows in California. I hope you can sleep better now.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 13:36:06 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
"If she sticks her paw out, take it firmly but gingerly, roll your wrist over to show the face of your Rolex that you have on backwards and kiss it." -- Rajah
It's not a mishread lyric, but something akin... When I first read the line above I wondered to myself, "Now why would I kiss my Rolex?"
:-)
(Just some polite teasing there, Raj...)
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 13:27:25 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Earliest song from which "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" is derived sonically?
HINT: Don't let the vocalist/style throw you off..
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 13:12:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Timex won't work unless you're Cary Grant.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 13:07:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
You meant Timex didn't you?
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 13:00:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's my cross, I guess. Here's a tip for all you young single guys out there lookin to get a leg over for the new year. This took me years and years to learn. You see a girl at some joint, right, you go over there, right, now don't be witty, don't give her the stud body language, don't look at anything but her eyes or the floor. Don't use any pick-up lines like some of my mouldy oldies like:
"Damn, baby, you have one hot set of legs. When do they open?"
don't do it, or
"Here's a quarter, next time you call your Mama, thank her for that big ass."
then duck, now this actually worked once,
"Honey, did the sun just come out or was it that smile you shot me?"
So I took a tip from that and finally crystallized the opening line down to something in this neighborhood:
Go over, real shy and sensitive like, say, "Sorry to bother you but you're so pretty I couldn't stop myself from coming over here." Offer your right hand like you were about to help her descend her horse-drawn carriage. If she sticks her paw out, take it firmly but gingerly, roll your wrist over to show the face of your Rolex that you have on backwards and kiss it. Follow that up by turning red, looking down and muttering, "I don't know why I did that, I beg your pardon."
If that doesn't work, go out to your El Camino, put a revolver to your head and pull cause brotha, there's no hope.
In other advice, go Don & Walt, do that gig, smile for the cameras, sell baby, sell sell sell.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 12:58:44 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
That’s right Angel I’m still a newbie..one year this month!!
I do recall the "chick magnet" being swarmed at the Soboba.
See ya at Chumash for sure
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 12:38:56 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Interesting reading, keeping Don's "cartoon" comment in mind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/remembering-reagan-nosta_b_36050.html
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Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 11:59:15 ET
Posted by: angel,
No problem Craig. You're still a newbie, in some ways. If you are hanging around the Rajah, I will probably see you at Chumash. You do know the Rajah is a girl magnet, right? LOL
--
At the NAB there are hospitality suites at hotels in the area. Booze flows freely and lots of "networking" (yeah right) occurs at these things. Something the caliber of Steely Dan, would hopefully mean a fairly large performance room, at least.
I was once invited to a dinner at the top floor of the Bally Hotel and last year I went to a Grass Valley mega event at a golf course, just down the road from the Mandaley Bay Hotel. So it could literally be anywhere.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 11:51:24 ET
Posted by: I'll Say It, I don't care
Don't think Don and Walt don't feel super-skeevy about this January bidness. I hate reading it, but it's something we're going to have to learn to swallow:
If these guys want to keep making records, they're going to have to play gigs like this. Morph, EMG, and even TvN (with all the Giant-paid for publicity behind it, money to make it, and it only went platnium once) probably lost money for their respective record companies -- and if we want to keep seeing records churned out (which we do, right? I mean, how good was Morph? Sublime), they're going to have to start footing the bill personally for parts of these studio excursions.
And let's face it -- subversion was always part of the Steely plan. Take some coin from the Man and turn it into a real cracker of a disc.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 11:47:16 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I have to add that I hope the TV execs DON'T get Wu'd. That one should be saved for events where Dan faithful will be in abundance.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 11:14:03 ET
Posted by: Craig B, I Got The News
Thanks Angel
Happy Anniversary Gretchen and Rajah
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 10:50:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The Dan at the TV Execs' bash??? Jeez, how do they reconcile THAT with their stance on not wanting to be part of the evil mainstream media? Maybe they've shifted paradigms in the wake of the latest elections...
If the Execs see them, it's a dead certainty they'll be offered their own show on one of those cable channels. Hey how about a Steely Dan morning show? Musical guests, political debate, advice on relationships, holistic recipes, window treatments, tips on gifts for thar special someone? Look out Oprah, here come Mornings with Donnie Dark and Dr. Fill!
Episcopalians are just basically Catholics Light. The Royal Schism Scam as perpetrated by Henry 8. Gretchen dragged me to a Palm Sunday one year and the High Priest dude asked the Congregation to get up and cross the Street over to the Catholic Church parking lot to receive their palms. Ha, how lame is that? The Episcopalians couldn't even get it together to have their own palm stash. Say what you will, us Catholics are ORGANIZED! We're like the original Gay Mafia Corporation.
Thanks for your Anniversary wishes. Gretchen tells me she's make me very happy. My anniversary gift was an ironed shirt and a breakfast tray. I bought her a friggin designer bracelet. What a license to steal this marriage scam is. I still blame all of you.
Let me see what I can find out about this Vegas thing...
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 10:11:22 ET
Posted by: Clas @ Witt's End,
---
Happy New Year everybody.
Check out some good music at
http://www.myspace.com/domfegaste
High Five!
---
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 09:36:34 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, in the New Frontier
Well Danners,
Here we are at the start of another one! Cheers to you all, my days are balanced by the steady beat of the Blue; to all Steely parents, cousins, partners and friends, a Happy-Happy to you, and for our friends abroad, best wishes and here's hoping at least one of the "exotic locales" (as Nostradamus predicted) is somewhere near you port-of-call. Love ya fellas. Selah. Happy New Year.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 03:25:01 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yeah, Angel, that's what I figure too---a CBS gig as a side event in conjunction with, but not actually part of, the NATPE conf. And though the NATPE conference is at Mandalay Bay Resort, I don't know that that means the SD gig is there too. Could be at a different venue.
If anyone out there has connections (or their very own invite), the rest of us potential crashers would appreciate some info. :-) Actually, I'm just curious, that's all. It's way out of my travelsphere.
And also, Angel, I had similar thoughts about the potentially staid nature of such a bash. We should at least find a way to sneak the Rajah and Gretchen in. :-)
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 03:04:09 ET
Posted by: angel,
After looking at the NAPTE page, it looks like Steely Dan is a CBS hospitality gig. Not a conference gig. That's probably why it is not on the official agenda for the Conference.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 02:50:24 ET
Posted by: angel, Happy New Year! West Coast Edition
Daddy G: The absolute best concert I ever went to for free, was a Beach Boys concert at the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters). I ran up to the front stage and took lots of pictures of Mike Love singing. The funniest thing was all these "Suits" sitting there at a Beach Boys concert and not moving at all. How can you not dance to that stuff? lol
Donald and Walter should get a few of us in there to liven up the audience. :-)
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 01:58:41 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
So the NATPE conference of which the CBS TV Distribution "shindig" is but one event is Jan 15-18.
The Friant gig is Jan 17 and Chumash Jan 19. So I guess that leaves Jan 15, 16, or 18 as the date of the CBS gig. Can't find anything definitive to pin it down more than that. Damn, I must have accidentally thrown my invitation out with the paper recycling last week!
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 01:43:47 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
NATPE is the National Association of Television Programming Executives
The Conference is January 15-18 at Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas
Here's the conference page...
http://www.natpe.org/conference/
...but I see no mention of SD there. Probably because of the invitation-only exclusive nature of it.
Anyone gonna try to crash it?
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 01:32:21 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
For "Rikki Don't Lose That Number", "Razor Boy" is definitely in the flow chart of its derivation, but as an "intermediate" step. Therefore not quite the answer we are looking for.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 01:29:55 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., 2007
Has anyone else heard about this? Anyone here have invitations? Oh, and happy 2007 fellow Danizens...
http://www.tvweek.com/article.cms?articleId=31216
January 1, 2007
YOU CAN'T BUY A THRILL
The hottest ticket heading into the NATPE convention in Las Vegas is turning out once again to be CBS Television Distribution's annual market shindig. This year, Steely Dan is set up as the entertainment for the invitation-only affair, which in other years has offered up musical stylings from Elton John, Hall & Oates and the B-52s. While all the tickets for the bash are already spoken for, that doesn't mean there won't be other fun to be had, with parties and celebrity meet-and-greets thrown by the biggest players in the business, including NBC Universal International, Program Partners and several of the mobile companies attending the convention.
Date: Mon, January 01, 2007, 01:01:16 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, dream st.
A brilliant and happy new year to all of you! 2007 feels to be shiny and golden. Thanks to all that post and fill my world with what interests me:Steely Dan! Cheers!
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 23:43:29 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Episcopalian
Happy New Year to all of Dandom, and thanks for all of the anniversary well wishes. Here's to health, happiness, prosperity, love, sex, sun, fun, and music in 2007, and whatevah turns you on,....
love all of you,
G
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 22:44:28 ET
Posted by: angel,
Walter Becker's My Space page is currently down. Hmmmm.....
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 22:27:10 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
SS!!! WoW!! Fantastic suggestion!! Fingers and toes crossed for that one....I can fly direct from here to Hong Kong and Singapore!!
Let's hope 2007 is another "Year of the Dan"!!
: )
Ann
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 22:04:25 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Happy New Year - I take it as a good omen that I can see the sky in Hong Kong today.
Steve, you might be on to something with that casino talk. Last year when Macau opened it's Fishermen's Wharf theme park on December 31st, management brought in Chicago for a one-off. Now if Stanley Ho, or Sheldon Adelson or Steve Wynn happen to be closet SD fans, we're in business. When the now-being-built Cotai Strip is up and going in Macau they'll need more acts. Let's hope the boys are still doin' it then.
An Asian casino tour through North Korea, Macau, Cambodia, Nepal, Malaysia and Singapore would be a mind blower.
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 22:02:09 ET
Posted by: angel,
Craig: LWO is referring to the fact that Rajah and Gretchen tied the knot 2 years ago.
Happy Anniversary! Who knew it would last. :-)
Happy New Year to the Rest.
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 21:52:25 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, Errata Avenue
oops
Key of "D" with plenty of D# accidentals = Key of K(wtf?)
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 21:23:13 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu,
BS: The only thing that's close is
""Rikki Don't Lose that Number" Key of K with plety of D# accidentals
F# F# E C# E F# F#
AND
"...when the Razor Boy comes and takes your..." key of E I think (4 sharps)
B C# D D C# B B C# B C#
Both sequences massaging 3 note chords
Raj and Gretchen - wow Happy dos anniverseres
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 20:41:56 ET
Posted by: Robert&Lauire, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I will be in Santa Ynez tomorrow to scope out sites for the Danfest. I'm open to any sugestions.
There are a few wineries and restaurants I plan to check out.
If you plan to attend let me know if you prefer pot luck or restaurant food. Winery or restaurant.
Thanks.
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 20:36:23 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
****HOOPSMAN THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND PROVIDING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ALL THINGS DAN 24/7/365 DAYS A YEAR!!!****
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 20:26:32 ET
Posted by: Fife, home at last!!!
Whew what a trip! 980 miles going, 980 miles back. Happy New Year everyone!!!
Anyone up for a New Years chat? Had one a few years ago that was quite the party. I'm hanging there if anyones interested. You can only talk to your spouse for so long!!!
Fife
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 20:24:14 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Happy New Year to everyone!
See you tomorrow in the New Year--Thanks!
You folks here and in the Greater Dandom, are the best!
jim
P.S. Next Dandom Digest is tomorrow, if you have anything you want to submit for the deadline.
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 18:39:12 ET
Posted by: happy new year, west of
- "Basically, from a political point of view, life has always seemed like a cartoon to me."
- Donald Fagen (March 12).
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 14:35:29 ET [Already Mon, January 1, 2007 where the author is writing this post. ]
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
New Year has already arrived in dear old Head Hunter Land, so let me be the first to say a fantastically HAPPY NEW YEAR to all of Greater Dandom and may 2007 bring us all health, happiness and more Dan!
Hope you all have a great New Years Eve celebration.....partying was banned here is 31 Dec coincided with a religious festival, but my friends and I still had fun.
Steve in Singapura.....love your choices of music...but Renee and Ronato??? Hey man, if you can play that stuff, how's about putting the new Take That single on?? I love their new single "Patience" and couldn't believe that I would be requesting something from a former boy-band-made good. Do have to say that their 10 years out has done them all the good in the world. Unashamedly pure pop....no pretences, but they are from N.W. England, so I have to support them!!
Peace to All,
Ann
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 13:46:41 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Direct from Bard's
Episcopalians have all the saints that were around when they split from Roman Catholic Church, 15 c. (help me Raj). St. Stevens Day = Boxing Day = day after Christmas day = Dec 26 i.e. let's get pissed.
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 11:55:51 ET
Posted by: Peter Etcetera, Chicago
Sock 'em in the gut yeah,yeah,yeah...
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 11:25:18 ET
Posted by: DakotaWilson,
Sing a Mean Tune Kid
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 10:21:24 ET
Posted by: Answer Man, Upstate fro a 1000 Alex
Re- Bard College name
that would be Saint Stevens.....an Epsicopalian enclave????
My dad always said the Episcopalians were just like the Catholics..except...no Saints...or was that the Lutherans???
As far as I know...Becker was "raised" Lutheran"(Bavarian), and Fagen of course is Jewish, although his father's side is Irish....
My Rival
know s all
......01010101010
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 10:13:58 ET
Posted by: Singapore365, West of Hollywood, Brentwood
http://www.geocities.com/singapore365
lotsa cool stuff tonite
including
Modern Romance (perhaps the funiiest group ever)
Haircut 100 ...rare 12"version of Love Plus 1
Lalo Shifrin Mission Impossible.....theme...when Steven Hill starred!
OTTOWAN- hands up...give me your heart (1981????wah)
Rene & Renato- save Your Love
Byrds- Rock n roll star
Stanley Black- I Feel Fine
Taco- Puttin On the Ritz...(he was born in jakarta>har har)
.....next year a Pete Christlieb Hour????!!!!
peace
hope u all have a grea t holiday!!
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 10:12:36 ET
Posted by: Singapore365, West of Hollywood, Brentwood
http://www.geocities.com/singapore365
lotsa cool stuff tonite
including
Modern Romance (perhaps the funiiest group ever)
Haircut 100 ...rare 12"version of Love Plus 1
Lalo Shifrin Mission Impossible.....theme...when Steven Hill starred!
OTTOWAN- hands up...give me your heart (1981????wah)
Rene & Renato- save Your Love
Byrds- Rock n roll star
Stanley Black- I Feel Fine
Taco- Puttin On the Ritz...(he was born in jakarta>har har)
.....next year a Pete Christlieb Hour????!!!!
peace
hope u all have a grea t holiday!!
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 10:03:42 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
LWO
What happened 2 years ago?
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 10:01:28 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Singapura lah
Hey Bluebook Crowd
Peace love and happiness in the New Year........2
007
Steely Dan Lives!!!!
Maybe we can get them in those new Singapore casinos
royale
Ann, SS????
Becker cd should be coool from what I hear.....but please no "guest" vocals
Becker- you sing alright man.....Moody Bastard is righteous! bard rock....
supe Ultimate trivia
1.what was Bard College "originally" called?????
hope u r all well....byr for now...from the Koptiam lah...Guiness in a can...who woulda thunk it
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 09:16:27 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, in the Trivia Zone
Hey Brain Strainer,
I think you're thinking of "Razor Boy"; at least, that dotted-eight piano chord accompaniment from the verses seems "Rikki"-like to me. What say ye?
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 07:56:57 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My wiggy pad
How many guitar parts are there on Jack of Speed?
Who is playing them?
Date: Sun, December 31, 2006, 02:30:21 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, here at the western world
A little late, but congrats on two years, y'all!
(Now that was a weekend that will live in infamy.)
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 23:32:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Old Saybrook
This one is up for some argument. I can hear a nice mash-up ala the Beatles' recent Love LP of Rikki, Only a Fool and Turn That Heartbeat. Maybe even the Brooklyn guitars. Just sing the three song title hooks in your head:
Rikki don't loose that number,
Only a fool would say that...
and...
You turn that heartbeat over again.
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 23:21:50 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu,
LWO: Back atchya babe!
DaddyG: "in 1992 Dr. Levitin’s sensitive ears detected that MCA." In the first batch of CDs I bought for that brand new gigantic signle disc CD player ca. 1986 were 3 Dan albums including Aja and a couple of early Billy Joel albums that had been part of regular rotation on vinyl. Piano Man and Turnstiles sounded very alive. Then I rubbed my hands with excitement in anticipation of sound equal to the Mobile Fidelity...instead what i heard was dead fish dan. Flat. Garbled instrument separation. Tried to take the CDs back, but the propietor couldn't find a scratch - said he'd take 'em back anyway. I couldn't bring myself to make an exchange, but rarely listened to Dan on CD until Decade and Gold came out, which were remastered under the ears of Fagen and Becker from the original tapes...
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 22:09:54 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Good at recognizing music..(previous post)? Well, let's see how good you (or others)are.
Going back into the Old Testament to one of the Dan's highest charting commercial hits "Rikki Don't Lose that Number", name the earlier song in their catalogue from which "Rikki" is principly derived.
Difficulty level is 3. IF you are as good as Dr. Levitin posits..
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 20:09:43 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Very interesting three-page New York Times article...
http://tinyurl.com/y93x4j
Music of the Hemispheres
By CLIVE THOMPSON
“Listen to this,” Daniel Levitin said. “What is it?” He hit a button on his computer keyboard and out came a half-second clip of music. It was just two notes blasted on a raspy electric guitar, but I could immediately identify it: the opening lick to the Rolling Stones’ “Brown Sugar.”
Then he played another, even shorter snippet: a single chord struck once on piano. Again I could instantly figure out what it was: the first note in Elton John’s live version of “Benny and the Jets.”
Dr. Levitin beamed. “You hear only one note, and you already know who it is,” he said. “So what I want to know is: How we do this? Why are we so good at recognizing music?”
. . . .
Dr. Levitin is singular among music scientists for actually having come out of the music industry. Before getting his Ph.D. he spent 15 years as a record producer, working with artists ranging from the Blue Öyster Cult to Chris Isaak. While still in graduate school he helped Stevie Wonder assemble a best-of collection; in 1992 Dr. Levitin’s sensitive ears detected that MCA Records had accidentally used third-generation backup tapes to produce seven Steely Dan CDs, and he embarrassed the label by disclosing it in Billboard magazine. He has earned nine gold and platinum albums, which he tucks in corners of his lab, office and basement at home. “They look a little scary when you put them all in one place, so I spread them around,” he said.
. . . .
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 19:07:08 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, Home
<<best thing about donald solo, no crappy walt guitar solos>>
exaclty! noodling gets old after a while
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 18:33:04 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Oh, look...IT is back, just in time for the new year HOLIDAY celebration! IT is indeed a creature of habit, it seems....
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 16:55:43 ET
Posted by: best thing about donald solo, no crappy walt guitar solos
here's what will be on the 4th cd:
century's end
big noise new york
confide in me
do wrong shoes
shanghai confidential
whatever he recorded with rundgren
whatever he rcorded with carol bayer sager
a new standard by which to measure infamy
true companion
the finer things
reflections
carey
blue lou
maybe audio/video from his tour.
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 16:41:04 ET
Posted by: thank, you
thanks to Due with Swedish Buzz, for the info on the swedes. can you get that cd in the us?
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 15:55:27 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, waiting by the mailbox
just curious... has anybody received their Friant tix yet?
Date: Sat, December 30, 2006, 11:21:47 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, on the last legs of Chumash planning...!
Hey Y'all,
I've decided to fly direct, from Wichita Falls (stops/flight changes in Dallas and Phoenix) to Santa Barbara, for Chumash...YES! What I'm wondering: is anyone headed West from LA for the show on the 19th (and back afterwards)? How 'bout a ride?
I'm all covered, excluding the rental car portion of my journey, but lodging and liquor will be procured aplenty, as per my typical travelling specifications...
And as always, kids, wherever you wind up on the night of the show, there's plenty of room where I'm lodged in Santa Barbara. If you're not a "local," it's about 15-20 miles from the venue, and right on the West end of town...think "post-show, post-2am afterglow (my plane doesn't depart until 3pm Saturday)." For my brave driver, I'll contribute for expenses, of course--surely there's fuel and food and good rum available out there somewhere--I don't mind being part of a bigger group in the least, and you won't find better company for a short, wild ride to the Steely Dan Show. Top-down coupe or hippy Chevy van, I'm cool, and a beggar may not choose, so I'm told...
So, what do ya say? Getting down to the wire with arrangements here, and I hope I can avoid driving while in California...'nuff said? Thanks in advance, it is going to be a priceless time. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 21:44:24 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Rod Stewart has just been awarded the C.B.E. (Commander of the British Empire) in Queen Elizabeth's New Year's Honours list, for services to Music.......................WHAT???
More like for producing millions in tax revenues for the UK!!
Hey LWO: On the bottom of that banner, please can you write
"...and Ann wants you to play it too!"
:)
Ann
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 19:08:17 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
"Speak Low" has been covered by many artists. Donald most likely would have been influenced by the 1956 John Coltrane recording or some of the other jazz covers. Interestingly, the great trumpet talent Marvin Stamm has also recorded this tune.
Marvin's got a really cool website, too.
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 17:58:44 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, in the armored car
Ok, I won't yell this time. I'll just hold the sign and smile...
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 17:53:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, yeah, we all know the drill, like Gypsy Rose Lee once said, "Make em scream and beg for it, then...don't give it to em!" Maybe it was Rosalind Russell. Now changing gears, that Brian Sweet guy says that Donald was influenced by the Kurt Weill/Ogden Nash song "Speak Low," particulary the bridge.
Do you know this one from One Touch of Venus?
Speak low when you speak, love
Our summer day withers away too soon, too soon
Speak low when you speak, love
Our moment is swift, like ships adrift, we’re swept apart, too soon
Speak low, darling, speak low
Love is a spark, lost in the dark too soon, too soon
I feel wherever I go that tomorrow is near, tomorrow is here and always too soon
Time is so old and love so brief
Love is pure gold and time a thief
We’re late, darling, we’re late
The curtain descends, ev’rything ends too soon, too soon
I wait, darling, I wait
Will you speak low to me, speak love to me and soon.
Anybody out there to enlighten me? Is Sweet just pissin up the downspout?
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 17:30:57 ET
Posted by: Can you hear me,
LWO- Remember, the more you yell for "Wu", the more you aint going to hear it!
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 16:08:54 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
LWO, that's great: see you there.
WB: death may be imminent, but hoping to skirt it for the next 3 weeks until Chumash...
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 15:59:00 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, in the shadows
"Convinced" is a rather strong word for it, don't you think. And since when did we ever receive official word that a Steely Dan song was about one thing or another? I thought they left us to our own devices when it comes to lyric dissection.
That being said, I'll take rumor and innuendo for $200, Alex. And besides, I like the art and the symbolism.
Denise, California in January sounds like a plan to me! I'll be the one up front with the "Please Play Dr. Wu" sign.
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 15:50:25 ET
Posted by: justashadow,
Why is everyone so convinced that this is *the* Dr. Wu? Has this guy ever officially been connected to the song?
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 15:37:57 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
LWO, have you decided to go to CA???
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 15:34:39 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Are you with me?
Ok, I know I missed the boat on this one, but I've recently warmed to the idea of New Year's gifts/cards instead of the religion associated kind, which seems especially appropos this coming year since we have reason to celebrate without waiting until spring/summer.
Anyway, in browsing Dan O'Malley's Steely Dan Dictionary looking for a good description of something Steely-related (fascinating reading, btw), I came across this site www.wushealingart.com and thought how cool would that be to have a print by the infamous Dr. Wu hanging on your office wall? Putting in my order for the Chiron's Fee poster and can't wait til someone asks what it is all about.
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 14:50:41 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, I Heart The Guess Who Headquarters
Geoff, don't be hatin' on The Guess Who!
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 12:31:24 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Robert Fiori has volunteered to organize Chumashfest.
More details forthcoming.
jim
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 11:57:31 ET
Posted by: good advice, @in need of some
The imminence of one's own death, silly. We see that yesterday is our
birthday, today is our life, and tomorrow we are gone. So we have just
one day to do whatever it is we want to do, and that day is today.
wb 2006
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 11:55:00 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Are there any plans for a Danfest before the Chumash show?
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 06:29:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...new post at Lexi Says at DF.com....
Date: Fri, December 29, 2006, 02:51:02 ET
Posted by: Stan Brown,
fender guitars
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 23:29:58 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
SF,
The e-mail came back undeliverable, please send me your address again.
Sorry...
Denise
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 20:32:54 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
Is this old news?
There's a set of DVDs of Midnight Special that you can get via one of those wacky TV only offers. It looked absolutely horrible, but apparently the Video has been cleaned up and the sound re-mixed in 5.1
Call 800 367 7500 to sign up
I think there's several discs in the collection, the first one cost $9.99 not sure how it works I couldn't stand to watch the infomercial it was extremely painful. I think the series of discs is chronological. Starts 1973 and ends in 1981. So the good stuff might be on the very first disc. Maybe you can cancel the rest of it so that you don't have to suffer the Guess Who etc.
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 16:16:10 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Re: The Nightfly trilogy and what might be on the 4th disc, I Googled up this item from a few months ago in the St. Petersburg Times, not that it's definitive or anything...
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/08/10/Weekend/Donald_Fagen_lightens.shtml
DONALD FAGEN LIGHTENS UP
On the heels of his successful solo album Morph the Cat, the Steely Dan frontman is open, animated and just a little goofy.
By SEAN DALY
Published August 10, 2006
Now that the solo trilogy is complete, Fagen fans will flip to know that Rhino Records might release all three albums in box-set fashion, possibly with bonus tracks. ("I actually don't like that kind of stuff. But fans like it, so I've been looking to see if there's anything to put on there.")
But revisiting his past is not exactly a thrill for Fagen.
"I actually don't listen to my albums after they're made, unless I hear them on the radio or had to remaster them," Fagen says, adding with a slightly sinister chuckle: "But that has to do with various subtle, psychological events that go on in my mind."
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 16:03:11 ET
Posted by: Due with Swedish Buzz, Any Minor Root Mountain
the Swedish singers Rebecka Tornqvist and Sara Isaksson and their CD of Steely Dan songs: Fire in the Hole.
you can order at the link below
http://www.cdon.com/main.phtml?navroot=906
and then search for title Fire In The Hole
it's worth it!
on another Steely-esque note. In MySpace i found musician/producer Erwin Musper, who is from my hometown in the Netherlands. He started out as a musician and scored some hits and good albums with the band Partner, but then became an engineer in Holland's legendary recording facilities Wisseloord. Erwin moved to the States and lives in Cincinnati. He produced Jon Bon Jovi,Van Halen, David Bowie and the Dutch rockdiva Anouk. and many others. mainly rock, rock n roll etc.
Long story, short version: Erwin Musper is a huge Steely Dan fan and was on friendly terms with Cornelius Bumpus and visited backstage after the SD concerts he attended.
http://www.myspace.com/erwinmusper
http://www.myspace.com/partnertheband
may be continued if mr Musper has time to tell us some more stories
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 14:48:32 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
what's the 4th CD going to be then?...outtakes/B-sides/centuries end type stuff?
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 14:11:57 ET
Posted by: good, news
DONALD FAGEN 'THE NIGHTFLY TRILOGY' 4CD BOXSET
DUE MARCH 5th. SPINCDS.COM
Date: Thurs, December 28, 2006, 04:17:52 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Daddy G...that list of concerts from that Toronto newspaper writer is too weird - because I went to school with her.
Shit, it really is true that if you find out someone is from Canada and you ask them...'do you know Bob ?'....that he just might.
Date: Wed, December 27, 2006, 23:16:48 ET
Posted by: me, here
I never knew Walter's middle name until I read this
http://www.nndb.com/people/075/000031979/
Date: Wed, December 27, 2006, 20:17:20 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
Worthy of note........The audiophile community is nuts about Morph and the vinyl version in particular......
From Acoustic Sounds- one of the largest mfgs/resellers of high-end music media and equipment - www.acousticsounds.com
" "This is the best-sounding Steely Dan or Donald Fagen album that I've heard. Prepare to be blown away. Better yet, put a diaper on." – Chad Kassem, Acoustic Sounds CEO
This is a CAN'T MISS, SERIOUSLY AWESOME RECORD. We're predicting that it'll be among our best sellers of 2006. The music is GREAT. The sound is UNBELIEVABLE. Mastering is by Steve Hoffman and Kevin Gray at AcousTech. The pressing was done at RTI on virgin 180-gram vinyl. Very simply, Morph the Cat has all the makings of AN AUDIOPHILE CLASSIC. Don't wait for it to go out of print and up in price.
Donald Fagen himself approved the test pressing – and he approved the very first version that Hoffman and Gray sent! Fagen is known for being a perfectionist, and he's rejected many a lacquer from some of the most famous mastering engineers. For Hoffman and Gray to nail it the first time around is a big deal. You'll hear why Fagen was impressed.
Hoffman and Gray cut from the 15-inches-per-second, half-inch analog tape. "The reason it was done at 15," Hoffman said, "was to preserve the tremendous bass response." And the bass response on this record is just that – TREMENDOUS!
This is Fagen's first solo album in 13 years and includes all of his signature musical depth, uniquely layered lyrics and entertaining subject matter. Morph The Cat is another contemporary classic from half of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame duo Steely Dan. It's the newest chapter chronicling the most sophisticated music in rock.
"We're all gratified that he's so enthusiastic about vinyl," Hoffman said of Fagen. "Warner Bros. is also very enthusiastic about the medium."
Indeed, Warner Bros. is serious about vinyl. Finally, one of the major labels has gotten it right when it comes to LP. So often, we get a great record with a good pressing only to have it ruined by a shoddy inner sleeve that scuffs the vinyl when it's packaged. Not this time. Warner Bros. went all-out. Morph The Cat comes in a deluxe, thick cardboard gatefold jacket and the vinyl is packaged in rice paper inner sleeves. This is a quality release – from the music, to the mastering, pressing and even packaging."
Date: Wed, December 27, 2006, 19:59:57 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu,
What can Brown to for you?
Hit it! HeYYYY!!
Date: Wed, December 27, 2006, 15:03:43 ET
Posted by: hemiola, mystcism of the triad
An old friend of mine interviewed Roger Nichols for sweetwaters, and he "tolerated a couple of Steely Dan questions".
My friend is an ex professional musician( who studied with the legendary Alan Dawson) and a non sd fan, what!
thanks old friend.
Best wishes to all the blue book luvs, the loyal fandom, Hoops and our boys.
www.sweetwater.com/feature/nichols/
Date: Wed, December 27, 2006, 10:51:33 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/Music/2006/12/27/3021484-sun.html
By JANE STEVENSON, TORONTO SUN...
Here's the best of what yours truly [ i.e. Jane Stevenson ] saw on the Toronto concert scene over the last 12 months:
JAMES BROWN (Jan. 6, Casino Rama): An old-school soul revue was energetically delivered by the 72-year-old Brown who showed men three times his junior how to work the stage. Backed by an 11-piece band, Brown's vocal shrieks and trademark slippery dance moves were back in top form, after he underwent cancer surgery in December 2004.
Before his untimely death on Christmas Day, the Godfather of Soul was scheduled to return to Casino Rama for two sold-out show on Jan. 5-6. Refunds are now available at point of purchase.
STAGE BANTER: "You will not be able to relax because the funk will make you move!"-- James Brown
DONALD FAGEN (March 13, Massey Hall): Steely Dan's singer-keyboardist embarked on the first solo tour of his three-decades-plus career and it paid off.
The 58-year-old Fagen delivered an hour-and-50 minutes worth of polished, sophisticated jazz-pop with the help of a talented nine-piece band.
Fagen "oozed a quirky charm and a genuine playfulness, hunched over his keyboards like a cross between Richard III and Quasimodo, (and) would raise either one or two fingers or a clenched fist dramatically to signal the end of each song."
STAGE BANTER: "I'm feeling groovy, baby."-- Donald Fagen
. . .
______________________________________________________________________
Daddy G. here: Cutting to the chase here's the rest of Ms. Stevenson's list...
Coldplay with Richard Ashcroft (March 22, Air Canada Centre)
Kris Kristofferson (March 26, U of T's Convocation Hall)
The Flaming Lips (April 4, Phoenix)
Yeah Yeah Yeahs (April 10, Kool Haus)
Radiohead (June 7, Hummingbird Centre)
Pet Shop Boys (Oct. 11, Hummingbird)
Noel Gallagher (Nov. 7, The Danforth Music Hall)
The Who with The Pretenders (Dec. 4, Air Canada Centre)
JANE'S FIVE CONCERT RUNNERS-UP OF THE YEAR
1. Oasis with the Arctic Monkeys (March 20, Air Canada Centre)
2. Beth Orton (April 6, The Carlu)
3. Sam Roberts (April 27, The Phoenix)
4. Arctic Monkeys (June 17, Kool Haus)
5. The Killers (Oct. 20, Kool Haus)
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 22:17:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
GM - anyone who admitted to liking Karen's voice in my day would be holding themselves out for some severe ridicule but truth be told, she had one of the best female alto voices of all time. I hate Xmas songs except for a handful. Love to hear Christine McVie do a Karen cover or two.
Robert, just tried again to email and there's something amiss here with Grecthen's PC, email me at the office tomorrow at the above address.
Oy the travails of the e-generation...
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 22:06:18 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
Rajah my new friend. I tried contacting you through your listed email address with no luck. Please contact me asap.
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 15:46:40 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Girl M - If Michael Franks isn't easy listening, I don't know what is.
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 15:22:35 ET
Posted by: Robbert, Netherworld
Hello everyone,
This is Robbert writing from the Netherlands.
I am looking for a pair (2 singles also okay) of tickets for the concert in Santa Ynez on January 19th. If you have tix available, or know someone who has, would you please let me know?
Please contact me at robbertvs (a) yahoo dot com
I am ready to travel from Europe to California to attend this concert; all I need now is a good pair of tix.. :-)
Thanks in advance and I look forward to meeting some BlueBook posters next month.
Kind regards,
- Robbert
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 15:08:09 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Rajah, good job with the Xmas parody! Merry Christmas Darling is one of my favorite Xmas tunes, gotta love Karen Carpenter.
Received Michael Franks "Passionfruit" as a gift yesterday and proceeded to play it for some friends who thought it was odd I was listening to Fergie. I put on "Rainy Night in Tokyo" and my friend Doug turns to me and says "This guy makes Christopher Cross sound like a rock and roller." I turn and bust out the mint condition vinyl record of Christopher Cross and put on "Sailing" by request. My brother overhears this, turns to me and says "I love 'Sailing!' I'm sailing away..." To which I replied "You dumbass that's Styx!" Then we all had a fight about what constitutes easy listening.
Good times.
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 12:45:57 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Happy holidays to everyeone here, in the Greater Dandom and The Great Beyond.
Of course, very sad for us to hear of the passing of James Brown to The Great Beyond. Heard a great quote about how the U.S. gave him the very best and the very worst it had to offer.
And of course, it's the funk I'm thinking about with regards to James Brown. Of course, as a huge Van Morrison fan, I've come to appreciate James Brown from that perspective.
For Danfans, I keep thinking back to discussions perhaps several years ago here and at the Dandom Digest where we kept comparing and considering James Brown, funk and "Kamakiriad." More than a few of us involved in the thread thought of Kama as Donald's study in Funk.
NPR's Fresh Air show is a good compilation of interviews with James Brown as well as with the co-author of his auto-biog and more. (Ooops...make that "Fresh Air® with Terry Gross.")
jim™
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 12:19:00 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Don's web site:
If this has been posted before, many apologies, I must have missed it......but, I've just been on Don's site and clicked on News...and up came a totally ethereal mix of "What I do", in the "Cafe del Mar" (chill-out) genre .......weird, but interesting!!! Suitable background music for Matrix 3 (if there is one)!!
:)
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 02:05:57 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.
KC
Date: Tues, December 26, 2006, 00:45:17 ET
Posted by: cohenville, Solvang
My wife and I live in Solvang, are avid Dan fans (I write music, with the Dan as my primary influence, and my wife has come to understand that no one in the rock genre has come close to matching Donald and Walter's sophistication, complexity and creativity at the outer edge of pop/jazz music), and didn't get to buy tickets for Chumash (in our home town, as it were) - by the time we called that first day, it seemed like the better tickets were gone. If anyone has a pair of extra tickets towards the front, at a reasonable cost, please let us know, at cohenville@usa.net.
Best regards from Solvang - David & Linda Cohen
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 23:47:01 ET
Posted by: What a Shame About JB,
Today was a dark day in the history of R&B-Soul with the death of the Godfather. James Brown was interviewed in Rolling Stone this past summer and was in the studio putting some new stuff together. Maybe some of it might be released posthumously.
It was JB that brought me, at the time being a sort of a racist rocker into the world of soul. His was the first black single that I added to my collection, Good Foot Part 2. JB's sound was funky, but incorporated guitar riffs which made it stand apart from the typical R&B artists of the day. Artists such as Robert Cray, Living Colour and Prince would later continue on with such fusion.
Around the time of his last great commercial success in the mid 1980s, Living in America, he related that something to the effect of
"I was always an Original. I mean you had Bach, Beethoven, Brahms and now you got BROWN"..
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 20:57:42 ET
Posted by: Some Loser, .
<christmas day>
1-2-3-4-5-6-7
<dark again>
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 19:05:42 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Is Becker and Fagen producing this "Santa session"?
http://xmas.daileyads.com/
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 16:05:22 ET
Posted by: the road to hana, how many sacred pools?
http://skepdic.com/sanpaku.html
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 15:57:47 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago
Merry Christmas to my Steely Dan Family and all Dan Fans!
Three weeks to Chumash! Countdown to Ecstasy! Can't wait to see you guys!
Much Love,
-Toya
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 11:18:56 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham
Merry Christmas to all in greater Dandom!!
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 10:30:05 ET
Posted by: Good God Y'all...,
James Brown died early this morning. He was 73.
God rest the Godfather Of Soul.
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 04:06:44 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Christmas comes but once a year......thank God!
Yes folks, even in Darkest Borneo (Headhunter Land aka Fantasy Island), the Christmas spirit permeates. Temperature hitting about 90 degrees, bright sunshine and our Christmas tree looking a bit feeble, but we're doing it.
The Off-Spring is back from the dark satantic mills of Manchester and has brought the BF with her (agh!!!.....my BABY!!!). He'd be ok except he's like a...er...dare I say it.....a "Heavy Metal" fan. However he did bring me 3 bags of Marks and Spencers Humbugs (my favourite sweets - suck-up!!) so he can't be all that bad! Speaking of "sweets" (candy to you lot over the Pond, and "lollies" to the Antipodeans), the first Christmas present I opened this morning was from Off-Spring and BF and if was Brian Sweet's book. They found just one copy in Manchester so she grabbed it for me, knowing what an SD fanatic I am (she does have her moments, even though I have still to convert her to the fold). So I will sit and read it later and may refer to you experts for verification of some of the "facts" in there.
They also bought me the new CD by Cat Stevens (Youseff Islam as he is now) and I do have to say, thank God he's seen the light and has started to produce music again. I've not listened to it yet, but I was an avid fan of his and was so disappointed that he gave up on music when he converted to Islam, when he had such a talent. Anyway, he's back, so I'll report later on the new CD when I've listened to it.
Surprise, surprise, both ex's bought me presents!! Ex no.1 bought me 2 bottles of booze (I don't drink)...and ex no.2 bought me the biggest candle I've ever seen in my life (he must think I'm missing something).....made a mental note to pat myself on the back for the fact that they are both now ex.
So, this just leaves me to say a huge MERRY CHRISTMAS to all those in the Great Greater Dandom. It was fantastic meeting up with you this year and I really hope I get the opportunity again in the not-so-distant future (but unfortunately it won't be January 2007). An especially merry Christmas to Jim for making all this possible, to the Ozzie contingent for being such great travelling companions, to South for being the neatest tour-guide and host in the US, to Jenny for her wonderful hospitality, to Gail and Ed for getting my tickets and hosting the Bristow Dan fest (and especially to Gail for sobbing with me!!) and to everyone else I met in the US, too numerous to mention!! And last but not least, to Don, Walt and the band for justing doing what they do!
Enjoy this festive season, all of you, and look forward to many more!!
Peace to all!!
Ann
Date: Mon, December 25, 2006, 00:06:20 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong
A Merry Christmas to you eastern time zoners - Ann, Alan & Jeri, Steve and any Austral-Asian lurkers.
For the others still enjoying Christmas Eve, careful eh. I cut my foot open after stepping on an errant Christmas bobble on the floor, then nearly burned my place down with a forgotten candle. That said, it was a fabulous Xmas eve of music, food, drink and good company.
Still working on getting west for a ramble through the vineyards.
Take care all....
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 20:47:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Merry Christmas, happy Holidays and Happy New Year to all...it was nice to meet you guys, in person, via email, and on the Blue!
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 19:47:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah, A Heavy Rollers Xmas
Friant tix have all been snarfed,
Looks like Chumash too,
But I still have one wish to make,
A special one for Blue...
Merry Christmas, Dandom,
We're apart, that's true,
But I can dream and in my dreams,
I'm at the shows with you.
Holidays are joyful...
They can also make you blue,
But everyday's my Holiday,
Together on the Blue,
The lights on the tree,
Shine again for you and me,
Yo... got your itineries???
Wally's record is in view,
Maybe they'll even do the Wu!
Just for the truest Blue,
For tonight, it's Merry Christman darlings,
Happy New Year too,
I've just one wish on the Christmas Eve...
Hey Don bust out the Wuuuuuuu...
And maybe Gaucho too...
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 18:21:17 ET
Posted by: cranberry fields , @bog.com
"Sanpaku: this well-known Japanese term describes a condition in which the white of the eye can be seen between the pupil and the lower lid as the subject gazes directly forward. This, we quickly learn, connotes a graves state of physical and spiritual imbalance. The Sanpaku is out of touch with himself, his body and the natural forces of the universe."
"Sanpaku: Eyes of death"
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 17:37:22 ET
Posted by: OK so this is different , Merry Xmas
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/uncensored.shtml
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 17:36:47 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Merry Christmas Danfriends and Dan family!
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 16:56:36 ET
Posted by: greenwithenvy, cranberry bog
On the streets of another jungle/On the low rent side of town
there's a club called Jack of Diamonds/and the brothers are gettin' down
check the midnight set they got/Rad Rolling on the saxophone
born again, hot bop in/many changes still unknown
20 years the same location/nothing but the best will do
all is just a celebration/the passing of the Sampaiku
don your big girl and grab your girdle/hurry up I wish you would
let's just be there for the blow in/get it now while the getting's good
Tuesday come is big change-over/Sally Sit and Laughing Trash
ain't no more where this came from/if you miss that final bash
every little eighth note smilin'/every little phrase rings true
man behind the bar is stylin'/on out into the avenue
Rounding out the true believers/there's three including me and you
get the eager Berkeley beavers/I'm talking about the Sampaiku
(break)
Me and the J-girl stood there watching/a vision all in black and blue
I thought I heard the saints go marching/it was passing of the Sampaiku
nothing but your bad intentions/is all they let you carry through
so steady in the next dimension/is the coming of the Sampaiku
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 12:00:45 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Houston
Robbert, we Danfans always buy in bulk! Look for an e-mail from me or send me one.
One of the coolest things about this obsession is that you meet so many folks from so many places and we all understand....
Hey Raj, where's our Christmas carol parody?
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 11:06:55 ET
Posted by: Robbert, Netherworld
Hello everyone,
This is Robbert writing from the Netherlands.
I am looking for a pair (2 singles also okay) of tickets for the concert in Santa Ynez on January 19th. If you have tix available, or know someone who can't make it, could you please let me know?
Although there are still tix available from the casino itself, these seem to be all the way in the back.
I can be contacted at robbertvs (a) yahoo dot com
I am ready to travel from Europe to California to attend this concert; all I need now is a good pair of tix.. :-)
Thanks in advance and I look forward to meeting some BlueBook posters next month.
Merry Christmas !
- Robbert
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 10:56:26 ET
Posted by: Torenidd, Hungary
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 08:39:05 ET
Posted by: Torenidd, Hungary
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 07:35:45 ET
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http://hometown.aol.com/newsaerch/insurance
<a href="http://hometown.aol.com/newsaerch/insurance">Car Insurance Online</a>
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Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 05:01:25 ET
Posted by: Robbert, Amersfoort, the Netherworld
Merry Christmas to everyone, and Happy 2007.
Cheers,
- Robbert from the Netherworld
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 01:39:41 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
And extra special thanks as always to Hoops for providing this space and all the dirty work behind the scenes that that entails year round, such as fixing things when they break on a major holiday weekend when I'm sure he'd rather be off nogging it up somewhere.
Felicitations and good tidings to Dan-ites everywhere!
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 01:33:31 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Great! Now if all goes well we can have a Blue Christmas after all. :-)
Date: Sun, December 24, 2006, 00:50:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Thanks for your patience while the Blue experienced technical issues for the past 13 hours. Special thanks to Daddy G.
Date: Sat, December 23, 2006, 12:27:46 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, CT
Have a Merry, or Happy, whatever the case may be, Dandom. And cheers to all things positive in 07. For those of you making that CA trip, see you all in a few weeks, and to my other extended Dan family, hope to see you very, very soon.
G
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 23:19:01 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Happy Holidays to all of you crazy kids! Thanks so much for all of the positive energy on this board. It's been a tough year, but lots of great stuff happening, too. Steely Dan Tour 2006, and now a show or two for sure in 2007, helps make life a lot better. Hope they keep adding some more shows, and that everyone here gets a chance to be there. Enjoy this festive season, and know that you are all appreciated.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 20:50:10 ET
Posted by: BC,
St. Elsewhere:
How do you know that SD's version of "Carey" sucks/blows/pulls?
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 19:13:10 ET
Posted by: be careful what you ask for, Earful, AL
...but SD's version of Carey #sucks#
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 19:10:21 ET
Posted by: ne steely Mafia member, weeoooo
steely dan lovers unite!
demand to hear carey on the joni tribute.
write to nonsuch records NOW!
info@nonesuch.com
2. yeah, who are those european dan cover gals.
sdmob
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 17:59:27 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
Rajah - Please contact me through me email when you get a chance.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 17:57:38 ET
Posted by: Street in the City, Ronnie
I just can't believe someone would cut out all those high-profile names. And think of all the money that went into recording those tracks?!? That's a pretty expensive cut.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 13:52:05 ET
Posted by: Joni Mitchell tribute album minus Steely Dan's "Carey", Also lost in the process...
PM Dawn - Night in the City, Stevie Wonder - Woodstock, Janet Jackson - Beat of Black Wings, Duncan Sheik - Court and Spark, Chaka Khan - Hejira, Etta James - Amelia, Elton John - Free Man In Paris and Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood - Big Yellow Taxi
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 09:36:26 ET
Posted by: Real Estate, Agent
Ann....
Not sure that all these overactive SD brains have been any practical use with your house naming issue. I continue in that spirit........
" This All Too Immobile Home ? "
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 08:47:07 ET
Posted by: hello, ljk
happy happy to everyone.
can you tell me the name of the european women with the steely covers CD and how to get it?
thank you.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 00:42:52 ET
Posted by: suedave, oops
how'd that happen?
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 00:39:04 ET
Posted by: suedave, no more third world woman
Catching up to the fave threefers: Green Book & Pixeleen & Lunch with Gina, but could be a 5fer starting with Godwhacker.
You lucky little purty ones with Friant tickets and the time to go! And I guess we're all lucky to get a 2006 tour and a follow on 2007 tour. More more more Steely Dan, its all good.
SS - didya get those tickets honey?
Gosh, someone sure did a nice job cleaning up the sound on the "Early Years" CD, and unusual sounding Donald vocals on Brooklyn. He must have been experimenting.
We were just reminiscing here at home about how great Steely Dan fans are - we aren't the wild beer bottle breaking crowd, we be the cool kids on the block listening to Kulee Baba and kicking back by the beach under the moonlight, waves playfully lapping at the shore. Sipping red, not gulping. Not afraid to try new things. We be the ones with a new game to play.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 00:33:51 ET
Posted by: suedave, no more third world woman
Catching up to the fave threefers: Green Book & Pixeleen & Lunch with Gina, but could be a 5fer starting with Godwhacker.
You lucky little purty ones with Friant tickets and the time to go! And I guess we're all lucky to get a 2006 tour and a follow on 2007 tour. More more more Steely Dan, its all good.
SS - didya get those tickets honey?
Gosh, someone sure did a nice job cleaning up the sound on the "Early Years" CD, and unusual sounding Donald vocals on Brooklyn. He must have been experimenting.
We were just reminiscing here at home about how great Steely Dan fans are - we aren't the wild beer bottle breaking crowd, we be the cool kids on the block listening to Kulee Baba and kicking back by the beach under the moonlight. Not afraid to try new things. We be the ones with a new game to play.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 00:09:25 ET
Posted by: Gaucho "junior engineer", nowhere
I am not real. I was only created to lay blame for the 2nd Arrangement getting erased. Unlike Fabriani and Vanderlocket, I was never given a name. You'd be surprised for whom I took the heat.
Date: Fri, December 22, 2006, 00:06:50 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Happy Holidays All!!!!
Fife and Mr.Sam
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 21:35:27 ET
Posted by: ultram,
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Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 21:18:47 ET
Posted by: W1P, Moldy Oldy Land
Hey, what about Hang on Sloopy or Rock n Roll Hoochie Koo?
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 21:05:45 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
I would say that Carlton on "Spiral" with the Crusaders is pretty awesome.
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 20:43:41 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My wiggy pad
me:
I doubt it. What has Carlton, Randall or even Derringer ever recorded or written that comes anywhere near the same league as what they did with SD?
Most of their solos are heavily influenced by the Becker/Fagen melodies, and they were working within some great Bass lines and chord progressions that were already laid down. And probably all kinds of instructions from Don and Walt about what they wanted.
The most critical and creative part in any composition is the melody. The techniques for the rest of it can be learned.
Bach is public domain isn't it?
Geoff
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 19:45:55 ET
Posted by: Denise, Kickin' off the holiday weekend
To all the Danfans:
Merry Christmas
or whatevah
You too, Walaka
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 18:03:03 ET
Posted by: Poker Stars, usa
http://hometown.aol.com/newsaerch/list/poker-stars.html
<a href="http://hometown.aol.com/newsaerch/list/poker-stars.html">Poker Stars</a>
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Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 16:56:33 ET
Posted by: NE steely Mafia member, yo
NO CAREY!
¿Are you #%)&)^%&*%&$%ing kidding me?
Is SD free to release it themselves???
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We wanted to alert you to an incredible new CD that Nonesuch will be releasing this coming spring. Renowned musicians from a wide span of genres pay homage Joni Mitchell with twelve personal renditions of Mitchell's poetic masterpieces on 'A Tribute To Joni Mitchell'- the first tribute record to the legendary singer/songwriter.
We'll have more information for you after the new year, but here's a look at the final track list.
'A TRIBUTE TO JONI MITCHELL' TRACK LIST:
1. Free Man in Paris - Sufjan Stevens
2. Boho Dance - Björk
3. Dreamland - Caetano Veloso
4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow - Brad Mehldau
5. For The Roses - Cassandra Wilson
6. A Case Of U - Prince
7. Blue - Sarah McLachlan
8. Ladies Of The Canyon - Annie Lennox
9. Magdalena Laundries - Emmylou Harris
9. Edith And The Kingpin - Elvis Costello
10. Help Me - k.d. Lang
11. River - James Taylor
B. crosby nash tix on sale today.
SDMOB
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 16:21:59 ET
Posted by: CB, NCA
Does anybody have an extra ticket for Friant - or any ideas? Just decided I cannot afford to miss it.
CB
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 15:35:46 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Here's a URL to a competition to win a day at Abbey Road! Submit your cover of Arnold Layne and win
http://www.myspace.com/arnoldlaynecompetition
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 09:00:42 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Friant show appears to be sold out.
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 07:27:09 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Ann re: new home
How about....Mr Own Green World ?
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 03:01:44 ET
Posted by: Purty Purty,
I thought Bernard Purdie wrote "Whiter Shade of Pale" and "Third World Man."
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 03:01:37 ET
Posted by: Purty Purty,
I thought Bernard Purdie wrote "Whiter Shade of Pale" and "Third World Man."
Date: Thurs, December 21, 2006, 00:39:13 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Proctol, sorry, Procol Harem/Harum
It wasn't Air On the G String, but it was J.S. Bach
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 20:39:44 ET
Posted by: Nimmer, Library
On the other hand, the copyright in a composition extends to both words and music.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 20:21:15 ET
Posted by: Procol This!,
The whole lot of them Procol Harem boys have a lot of balls getting any writing credits for "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" seeing that they stole the entire melody - note for note - from J.S. Bach's "Air For G String."
The Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 19:56:56 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
After you vote for all the Dan guys, cast a vote for Ray Luzier for best rock drummer -- he's a friend
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 19:18:45 ET
Posted by: Me, The Left Coast
The Modern Drummer 2007 Readers Poll is open, you can cast your vote here:
http://moderndrummer.com/contest.php?id=800000011
It would be good to see the drummers of Steely Dan represented there!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 16:39:29 ET
Posted by: W1P, Club SOhO, State Street
It's probably more a reference to the high rolling bands to come out of Santa Barbara -- like Toad the Wet Sprocket and Ugly Kid Joe
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 16:36:35 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
It is interesting to note that the University of California Santa Barbara (Home of the Gaucho's) is only fifteen miles from Santa Ynez. This campus is home to some really high rollers - five Noble prize winners.
I'm sure I'm reading way too much into this.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 16:14:04 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Oh Oh. I've just remembered a few more examples, from my past, of deflicted lyricy.
'drink Kurt Wasser from a sham' Doesn't everyone toast the health of a German from a Hebrew trumpet, given half a chance?
'said you want dumplings, now that the deal has been done'
On my US visit this year I felt that the staff in fast food outlets showed an unhealthy interest in my footwear. I'd order something, and they'd ask me if I was wearing shoes. I could never come up with a reply that made any sense, so I'd just nod my head - all the time stirring a goulash of paranoia that was liable, very soon, to scald my equanimity.
In time, I began to notice that the startling inquiries were coming from latino staff and often ended with 'ketchup', 'pickle', 'mayo', or some class of condiment.
Resounding was the self-administered blow to the forehead when I finally twigged to the fact that they weren't asking 'shoe on?': they were saying 'You want...ketchup?'
Sad, but true.
'now we dolly back, no you cain't do that' Actually I think it is a valid alternative: granted, you miss out on the second cinematic allusion, but you do get a more lewd effect. And that's a good thing.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 14:50:12 ET
Posted by: W1P, La La Land
I don't know if that ruling will have such a broad impact. First of all, it is a British ruling and subject to appeal as well. Second of all, the plaintiff was an actual band member who claimed that he was deprived of songwriting credit for his contribution to the composition. The studio guys who guested on the Dan's records, in all likelihood, executed "works made for hire" agreements that conveyed any and all rights they may have obtained as "authors" to the record company for the master recordings and to the boys' publishers for the songwriting credits.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 12:54:40 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Rajah - I'm from Connecticut too. I moved to California back in "77".
I met Laurie 18 years ago. When we both found out that we were both extreme SD fans it was a match made in heaven.
Laurie and I will be attending the concert at the Chumash casino. I have to be in Florida that week for business and am already coming back early for the show on the 19th so we won't be at Friant. We have reservations for the night of the show in Santa Ynez.
I'm being distracted at work right now. Write me at home, and I'll respond tonight. I'm thinking about a small party at our house in Morro Bay. Will you be around that weekend?
We can't wait to meet you, Alan, and Gretchen. "Won't you pour me a Cuban Breeze Gretchen?" I love that line!
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 12:52:10 ET
Posted by: me, here
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061220/ap_en_mu/people_procol_harum
This ruling will make the Keith Jarret incident seem like a picnic. This opens the door for Elliot Randall, Carlton, Derringer and countless others to get in on SD's royalties.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 12:11:10 ET
Posted by: Click on grandmafaith , turn up the volume
Then click on the pictures
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 11:55:30 ET
Posted by: Merry Xmas, the shoe
http://www.members.shaw.ca/grandmafaith/amb01.htm
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 11:41:08 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Sparkin'! If you come in at San Francisco, that would be fine. Maybe a 3 hour drive to Friant (never done it all the way to the casino, but I have gone to Fresno. The trip from Chumash is maybe 4 or so hours straight up the 101 Freeway and it brings you directly to the area of the airport. A much easier drive then coming and going through LA, in my humble opinion. I will be at Chumash and if you do come, it would be beyond excellent to see you again. Good Luck!
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 11:16:44 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
pic of Friant from the back of the room: http://ticketing.tmcasino.com/orderticketsarea.asp?p=213&a=363
you can get there by clicking on the ga section of the 'buy tickets' page.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 10:46:41 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, YES!!! That is the ticket!
Okay Fellas,
Esp. Robert & Laurie, and Newark (Fellonious, my old friend)! Yes, Travelocity and Expedia are WONDERFUL to the not-so-often-travelled among us; I'll settle on one of these deals, for sure. I guess one among the freakish details will be my staying in Santa Barbara, instead of incredibly near the gig! Lots to do and see there, I've always heard (the mission is supposedly fascinating). Now, you locals out there, I've the whole day of the 19th pre-show to see and taste and do; would I be better off staying out in Slovang or Buellton? Tell me before Monday or Tuesday, at which time I'll be, y'know, prepaid and "locked in," if you dig, and care to help a Danner do his thing. Y'all are still the best multi-taskers out there, thanks a million (with rollerskaters to spare). Selah.
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 10:16:11 ET
Posted by: Craig B, 13 degrees in AV CA
Hey Blue
Merry Xmas to ALL
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 07:25:42 ET
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Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 05:17:15 ET
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Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 04:00:14 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Ditto for me on the spit take Steely Doc. Actually I'm still laughing while writing this.
I'm really bad on the lyrics...too lazy to find out what I'm mishearing.
From Brooklyn......'is called fat noon for free' (his golf at noon for free) Don't ask, there's no way to explain it.
I've mentioned others here before but for those who might have missed it, my favourite submitted by someone else is from Midnight Cruiser....
'Bologna is my old friend.'
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 02:29:25 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, reaching for the handy-wipe
Steely Doc,
"...is that my father, blowing the dog..." (??!!)
I just did a spit-take all over my computer screen.
I may never escape that vision. Thanks. (will get back to you on my first SD mis-heard lyric).
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 00:47:02 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey steelydoc
To the Aussie ear, in Last Mall Donald sounds like he is encouraging us to:
'roll your cat right up the aisle'.
In My Old School, he 'tried to warn you about Juno indemnity', but it gets worse; initially I thought the chorus went 'Oh no, Robert O'Hara won't do.'
Back in the seventies I thought the line in Kid Charlemagne went; 'every eggplant had your number on the wall', and that's the way we performed it; nobody complained. Apparently everybody 'stopped to stare at your technicolour borra dule.' whatever that may have been.
Speaking of technicolour, I'm reminded of the limerick:
There once was a man from Australia
who painted his ass like a dahlia
The shape it was fine
and the colour divine
but the scent-oh good god, what a failure!
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 00:45:26 ET
Posted by: SteveV, ex-Bay Area now Fareasterner
SS- one alternative to driving...is to take Caltrans...south...you may get a direct route to Fresno.....or even take BART to San Jose and then drive...may be easier than driving straight from SF...just a thought..
Hey Ann- has it stopped raining in Borneo??? Crazy drenching for us in the the Singapore area....sunny this morning though....
Best wishes to all on the Bluebook for the new year!
SteveV...poolside...listening to Beatles Love....wow
Date: Wed, December 20, 2006, 00:09:08 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
My California friends..and anyone else who has the experience and can advise...
If I come out for the show(s) in January I will fly into San Francisco then drive to the Fresno area....and on to Chumash...and back to San Francisco.
Does that make sense (never mind the wisdom of getting on a plane for that long then driving after I get off) ???
I would be looking for a Friant ticket - don't know if there are any around.
I'm leaving my e-mail address if anyone wants to respond away from the B-Book.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 23:25:24 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Living just three hours up the coast, I have stayed in Pismo/Shell Beach many times. And we always end up staying at the Kontiki Inn. It used to be really affordable, but they have recently upped their rates substantially. However, in January, they do a buy two nights and get the third one free. This doesn't work out for anyone wanting to go to the shows, unless you have a lot of extra days off. It would be a pretty hard drive after the show, unless you have an energetic, designated driver. It is at least one hour from Chumash, but mostly freeway.
But if you are looking for a place to stay for one night between shows, and want to feel like you are in Hawaii, it has always been the best bang for the buck. We always have a great time there. The Cliffs is beautiful, I know it used to have a wonderful happy hour, but I am not sure how the prices compare to the Kontiki anymore, which used to be a really good deal. Kontiki has "Steamers of Pismo Beach" as their next door restaurant, and the food has always been great (owned by the McClintock's folks). The views from the rooms at the hotel are so good, we always call in our order, and get the food to go, so we can play some excellent music and dance around during dinner, if need be ; )
This is just another suggestion. I think The Cliffs is a much bigger property; and last time I was down that way, they were adding on. I like the smaller, homier places, when I can gettum'. http://www.kontikiinn.com/
I think you will be very happy with The Cliffs, as it has always looked like a very nice place to stay. Just thought I would throw in a little extra information about the area. There is a very good burger stand, think it is called LongBoards, in Pismo. Inexpensive drive-in fare. Very good burgers, fish sandwiches, etc. Can't go wrong!
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 21:34:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
LWO - I had to laugh at your post: I thought the same thing. Was funny to learn the correct lyrics...
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 19:50:09 ET
Posted by: Broadbent,
ALAN????????????!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 19:21:02 ET
Posted by: Alan, Between the Raindrops
ANN.....
Kirschwasser Shells seems to roll of the tongue nicely for your jungle hut but then again you being a non drinker maybe Coco Shells would work.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 18:52:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, typically...
One of my all time favorite chats in the Green Room (back in the day) centered around misheard lyrics. There are so many good ones, that I will not reveal any but my own:
"Do you have a dark spot on your pants?
But, I frequently remember fondly.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 18:32:12 ET
Posted by: angel,
What I would love to do is stay at the Madonna Inn. Now that's living it up. :-)
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 18:24:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey Robert, Bugs is no other than my Dan-crazed spouse, Gretchen, she and I and Alan are staying in Pismo at this joint on the cliffs. Now, when I met you at the Box office at Chumash and you told me you'd been there since 6 AM, I knew I'd met a real freak, we have to hook up. E-mail me and just so I know, is Laurie as much of a Dan-fiend as you? She must be. Good on ya, wait till you meet our Alan, the singular most insane aficciando of the Dan ever. How Gretchen finds these spots is beyond me, she's a simple, old school biddie from Conecticutt but we two intersect at one point: Dandom. Are you and Laurie doing the two shows as well? Good times ahead, let's do it right, brotha.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 17:18:24 ET
Posted by: Robert & Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
Bugs Bunny - The Cliffs resort is awesome. It has a nice pool on the cliffs overlooking the beach. It is on the north end of Pismo beach close to Shell beach which is located on a south facing slope. This causes the beach to be 10 degrees warmer than all of the surrounding area. It will be very nice in the winter. The hotel restaurant - Marisol - has great food at reasonable prices.
Bobbo - I use Expedia.com and never have any problems.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 16:19:29 ET
Posted by: me, here
SteelyDoc,
Most of my misheard lyrics were on Pretzel logic. I heard this
Night by night. "It's a *baker's* life." I thought it was some kind of "let them eat cake" reference.
Through With Buzz. "He's *my favorite* funny." I still prefer to hear it this way.
Charlie Freak "a plastic *bag* read DOA." I was thinking like one of thsoe intravenous bags.
Monkey in your soul. "I *feel* the monkey"
With a gun "Weren't you the one who does it wrong".
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 16:10:03 ET
Posted by: me, here
This guy never heard The Fez?
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/9088/wilmer-valderramas-greatest-role-is-proving-that-hes-for-real/
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 15:15:33 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
ok kids...here's a question for you...
think back to when you first heard a SD, DF or WB song, and you mis-heard the lyrics. What was the strangest line you heard?
Mine is from Trans-Island Skyway...I thought DF sang....
"...is that my father, blowing the dog..."
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 14:23:22 ET
Posted by: Newark, MD
Fun posts here you'all. Are finals over yet?
In haste, bobbo, et.al. I see fantastic deals--I use travelocity a lot, but if i have multiple destinations I use Expedia.
First, I click on "flexible dates" under "Additional Options." This gives you a calendar with prices on each date.
Next screen, Under "Flight Type" I select, "Multiple Destinations."
You can hop to minor airports easily via major airports, say. I am seeing real cheap flights from Phoenix to Fresno. Just fiddlin' around.
Hope that helps.
BRAIN STRAINER: I got one for ya--
AT which venue in '06 did Steely Dan end a song with a chord never ever before played nor heard by human ears? he he
Hint: Steam was rising off of Mc Mike--the weather wasn't great, but the bands were!
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 11:57:48 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu , victim of laughing chance
Raj: Wake Forest school colors have always been black and gold. These days to look more fierce, more black than gold is used. The Blue Devils on the other hand wear a royal Blue. In the 70s both Wake Forest and Duke sunk to a nadir in football prowess difficult to imagine. In addition, both teams had hopelessly dull offenses. Mike McGee's squad at Duke required muchos beverages to withstand. Duke's only winning seasons since the mid-60s were the few years in the early 80s when Steve Spurrier was assistant coach and in the late 80s, when Spurrier was head coach before moving to fame and fortune in Florida. Wake's fortunes have turned, winning the ACC Championship this year, while the Devils remain Blue, posting an OhferTwelve makr this year...
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 11:41:38 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Question: is Dallas one the first songs SD recorded as SD?
BoBo I used Travelocity and got booked into Buellton if that is any help.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 11:35:53 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, still thinkin' about Ann's Beach
Ann, what about "35 Sweet Goodbyes"? That's a simple, meaningful little ditty-of-a-welcome mat, eh?
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 11:22:00 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, making some arrangements
Christ, but I need a travel agent!
In flying from Dallas to LAX (or Santa Barbara), and THEN renting a car and driving over to check into a room in Buellton or Slovang, I CAN NOT FIND IT ALL ON PRICELINE.COM. Who do you Bluebook experts use? If I fly round-trip to L.A., they want me to stay in L.A....round-trip to Santa Barbara is a considerably bigger peaster. Do you like Hotwire? Travelocity? What does a fellow do to get this in for under $500? So sorry to be so banal, and NEEDY (there's one for you, Newark). Gracci' in advance, and we'll see...
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 10:35:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yes, Dear Mu, I really have come to a firm belief that the Deacon Demons of Wake Forest, particularly their ineptitude on the gridiron in stark contrast to the overwhelming dominance of the SE Conference in the Bear Bryant years were the inspiration for Deacon Blues. Wake doesn't wear blue anymore and, coincidentally, don't suck anymore.
Now here's something I've been trying to crystallize for a while, it's how the western/gambling/gunplay themes recur in the first few Steely Dan albums:
Do It Again: catch you at the border, go gunnin for the man who stole your H2O, hangman isn't hangin.
Dirty Work: A traditional country/western-roots tune.
Fool: Stetson hat, unhand that gun begone
Brooklyn: A case of aces done up loose for dealin' forgoodnessake.
Change of Guard: High time you played your card.
Turn Heartbeat: Bought a gun.
YGT I: Throw out YGT, see how they roll.
Showbiz: Goin' to Lost Wages.
King of the World: Rio Grande, Santa Fe
N by N: Shotgun
With a Gun: obviously Bluegrass, what a great ride this is.
Parker's Band: Showed his hand.
The Heavy Rollers Tour could make a meal out of the influences on the Dan of these seamy Western touches.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 10:08:10 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, @Crimson Tide
"Weak" Forest no more - 11-2 this year with Alabam @ 6-6...
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_ColumnistArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149192246031&path=!sports&s=1037645509200
Which reminds me that quite possibly the worst college football game ever played matched the horrid Wake Forest Demon DEACONs and the Duke BLUE Devils in 1978...a 3-0 affair with plenty of daring 2 years and a cloud of dust calls...a large portion of the victims in the stands left at halftime to watch an open basketball squad practice...
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 09:22:12 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, asking "what's in a name?"
ANN's WESTERN WORLD
Dude Ranch
gauchos and danners always welcome
(no rollerskaters please!)
Center those four lines and mount 'em, baby...Hell, I know when I find my "spot" down in Montague County, where I'm from, that'll be hanging over the front gate (with a slightly different proper noun in the first line, of course) when y'all "pop in" for szechuan dumplings and such...
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 08:39:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I think it's Jim Hodder singing lead on Dallas, ma bad.
Pismo Beach actually is very quiet. It's mostly rocky shoreline, lots of sea weed out there to draw the otters and seals. In the 1930s a group of nudists who styled themselves, Dune-ites, waddled around the Dunes in their birthday suits, lighting fires and a-makin whoopie, they belived the Dunes were the center of creative energy--riiight--
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 06:11:20 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Stax resurrected:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6192537.stm
A million thanks to all those who have contributed to the name suggestions......I'm currently favouring something with a Port Blanc or Banyan flavour, but still open to suggestions....not so sure about the "Thrill" thing Bullgoose....folks in these parts may get the wrong idea about what's going on inside!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 05:14:05 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey bugs bunny
Isn't Pismo Beach just the greatest name? How could one not have fun at a Pismo Beach?
Donald is a W.C Fields fan.
One of W.C. Fields' pseudonyms, besides Oglethorpe.P. Bushmaster and Sneed Hearn, was
E. Pismo.Clam.
I love it.
Date: Tues, December 19, 2006, 05:04:17 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Ann
May I suggest:
the Asian tang of: Dan Ban Yan
the arcane: Way Deep or Deep Way
The laid back: Jeans and Pearls
Waldon Pond is dripping with allusion and would be ok, if you had the requisite water feature
but the one that's grabbing me is the promising and simple: Thrill
All the best.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 23:26:18 ET
Posted by: Bugs Bunny, Albequerque
ALAN:
ROAD TRIP DETAILS!!!!!
Suite reserved on the cliffs of Pismo Beach for Jan 18 (off day) prepare for madness.......developing......
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 21:48:42 ET
Posted by: Dropee,
W1P - Please drop one to me also.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 21:48:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yes, W1P, I got Dallas on vinyl, pristine and a great rendering by David Palmer. Flip side Sail the Waterway ain't too shabby neither.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 21:47:37 ET
Posted by: Pushee,
W1P - Push one to me also, if possible.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 21:46:30 ET
Posted by: Shovee,
W1P - Shove one to me to.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 20:30:28 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
W1P, send me an email....
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 19:24:35 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I would like to second LWO's nomination of "Port Blanc." Seems perfect.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 19:00:05 ET
Posted by: caadoptees, Central cal
Got tix to Friant. Row H, left side. I can live with those. Couldn't miss this one. About 2 hrs away.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 18:47:02 ET
Posted by: W1P, L'll A
Does anyone have the Dallas single?
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 17:48:44 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Friant or bust!
Ray -
I went with GA just to make sure I'm in the building, since I didn't see anything come up worth getting too excited about when the tix went on sale. Row H dead center is better than anything I saw, but then I didn't notice the option to select your seat via the seat map until the front center section was gone. Best I saw was 'VIP Left', and I passed. All that said, I suspect they've yet to release big chunks of said 'VIP' sections. Regardless, we'll be hangin' with some heavy rollers in less than a month. And that's enough to make my day.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 16:48:35 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, On the Dunes
Ann,
Port Blanc (where Hooterie is never ovah.)
I also like Sparkle of Your China and Cosmic Wow, although those two are a little more esoteric.
I agree, bluprintblu. This is a totally fun bus stop on the road of life.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 16:42:58 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Thank you Ms. Angel & Rajah
for the info. I've always
taken the 5 up to Fresno,
but it's nice to there is a
"Plan B" if there is "Snow
on the vine".
How did everyone do with the
Table Mountain tickets today?
Looks like they keep wanting
to put Ray in the "H Gang".
Row H again - dead center.
I liked that ticket site.
It was nice to be able to see
exactly what seats were available
before I purchased. Love dem
Native American Casinos! I wish
ticket bastard would have a site
like that! Get em while they're
hot! And bring your bingo markers!
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 15:04:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
South China Sea Plantain?
Groovessential Flats?
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 13:05:10 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Loco - I guess you're Loco since I don't see any ponytail.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 13:03:55 ET
Posted by: Denise, again
Bodhi's Pagoda?
I'll stop now...
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 13:03:30 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Salutations from the west coast...just a shout out to all my steely dan pals! It occurs to me that I love you guys! It is so great to be able to check in and read all your comments. I wanted to say happy holidays to all and a happy new year. Who knows what 2007 will bring. I can always count on the dandom for food for the soul. Thank you and peace!
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 12:47:31 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Ann,
A few more ideas:
Eden Rock
Pagoda of Funn
Bodhi's Place
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 12:38:35 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Ann, how about "Aja Dunes"
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 12:13:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ray, Ms Angel's got it right, the 101 if there's any chance of snow. But you can check here for updates: www.sigalert.com.
Ann, how about Chinese Musicbox? Sugar Shackensack? Annie's Hide-Away? Hooterie-treat?
Stern and Wooten were a match made in fusion heaven. I love Metheny but Stern is right up there, I could kick myself for taking so long to get to his stuff. Pick up Who Let the Cats Out, it's new.
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 12:10:25 ET
Posted by: Xmas w/o the Xtzy stuff,
Terry Teachout, who occasionally mentions Donald Fagen's music in his arts blog, gives nod to Morph as a best pop album of 2006. Also, Madeleine Peyroux.
http://www.artsjournal.com/aboutlastnight/archives20061217.shtml#108090
Date: Mon, December 18, 2006, 10:40:40 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
The greatest thing in comparing IGY to Kama is WB
I still haven’t heard the foghorn on Dunes yet. Is it really there?
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 23:58:33 ET
Posted by: Loco, han
Walter had a ponytail during some Rock and Soul tour dates? That changes everything.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 22:56:58 ET
Posted by: My Rival,
A quick check of Pete Fogel's website shows Walter in a couple of pictures wearing different clothes. So I would assume he played at more than one show, I can't imagine he would do a costume change :)
http://www.metalleg.com
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 21:06:18 ET
Posted by: angel,
Lurker Ray: I would recommed the 101 and then cut across at Paso Robles or something. 41 or 46. You would then miss the grapevine totally. Without looking at a map, that would be my best guess.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 20:46:20 ET
Posted by: Joe Friday, Gorman CA
Ray
Going to burn his Turban out with that one.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 20:42:31 ET
Posted by: Walt Becker,, Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD 1992
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 20:26:02 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Walaka,
Long time no post.
What's new in your universe?
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 20:14:33 ET
Posted by: walaka, @a near random
Ann,
How about FAR ARCTURUS?
or
NEAR RANDOM UNIVERSE
or
Anne de Siecle ranch
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 19:46:02 ET
Posted by: broadway duchess, researching
quick question for the greater dandom: did Walter Becker tour with the NY Rock & Soul Revue in 1992, or did he just pop up as a special guest on ocassion, like at Philly? anywhere else besides Philly? I don't see him listed as performing on the official live CD release. thanx
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 18:28:39 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Ann- how about:
"Dunescam" It would sound especially nice, maybe even regal, with a British accent.......
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 17:17:15 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Rajah,
Before the Table Mountain tickets
go on sale tomorrow, I was hoping
you might be able to answer a couple
questions for me. I didn't even think
of the Grapevine "Chain Factor" for a
trip up to Fresno in January. I'm not
buying chains. Is there any way to check
if the Grapevine will require chains on
the 17th? If so my good man, is there
another route you would suggest?
Thanks so much for any info and Happy
Holidays to you and the family.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 14:10:26 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks, Lurker Ray, will do. Merry Christmas to you too!
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 14:03:58 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Denise -
Get thee to a computer and order,
"Steely Dan Gold - Expanded Version"!!
You'll get both "Century's End" &
"True Companion"!! How's that for
a deal! Merry Christmas.
I'm glad you are enjoying, "Medical
Science". I don't know why Wally
left that off of 11TOW. I don't
think it was right to make fans
buy the Japanese version to get that
track. Almost all Warner Brothers
Japanese CD's are distributed by a
company called, Pony Canyon I believe.
They just take meticulous care in
the process. More, warmth - the "highs"
are crisper and the "lows" are more full.
You might think I am talking "out of my
a$$". But if you listen to the American
and Japanese side by side, you can easily
tell the difference. It's like listening
to the PRO Audio version of Kamakiriad vs.
the regular release. Night & day.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 13:32:28 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Chan,
I'm curious abour selection of Centurys End and True Companion. I thought I had all the major CDs, but obviously, I've missed a few. To which CD are you referring?
Also, Lurker Ray, I have finally heard Medical Science and am getting into it. Why do you say the Japanese version of 11TOW is a superior pressing? I am not sure what that means.
Thanks.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 13:08:08 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Fave twofers? How about Only a Fool Would Say That and Reelin' in the Years? Makes my heart race to hear those two together. Peg and Home at Last too. And just for fun The Goodbye Look and Walk Between Raindrops and Book of Liars and Lucky Henry. And for real fun Old Regine and Soul Ram off Android Warehouse. Good times!
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 12:41:47 ET
Posted by: Real Estate, Agent
ANN........
The House on the Vineyard ?
The House on the Gulf Coast ?
The Custerdome ?
Century's End ?
Anne de Siecle ?
Home at last ?
The Dude Ranch ?
Muswell Brook ?
Mizar Five ?
The Teahouse Off the Beaten Tracks......? Somebody stop me, please...
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 11:46:23 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, HouDanFan
RR,
Good combo...listening to it now. SD is helping me get through this work weekend.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 11:42:56 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Here at the Western World, Centurys End, True Companion.
That threesome always "Feels nice"!!!
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 10:22:27 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
New Frontier & The Nightfly...Hello Baton Rouge!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 10:02:21 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Some excellent, twosomes, thressomes and foursomes. Especially from KAM and Gaucho. I'll throw out another combo. Do It Again and Dirty Work. The intro to Dirty Work definitely takes me back.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 09:31:35 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
Yeah, I'll go along with Bobbo, side 1 of Aja is about as good as it gets.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 09:30:05 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
House name suggestion required:
Ok, I need the creative talents, yet again, of you talented people out in Greater Dandom. I'm currently negotiating buying a piece of land, about half a km inland from the "dunes" and the South China Sea, on which I plan to build a nice, cosy little retreat from the outside world. A place where I can play "MY" music to my heart's content, without disturbing anyone. I'm looking for a Dan-related title for the whole project and the final dwelling. Any ideas for an appropriate name? I've thought of "Dunes Villa"....but it's not very original. Anyone got any ideas??? (Rajah? Bullgoose? You both have ways with words far better than I!!)
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 08:55:05 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Dad's old Summer Smoker
Sorry y'all, but mine's GOT to be the threefer:
Black Cow/Aja/Deacon Blues (all together, just like that). Yes, indeed.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 08:26:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Negative Girl and West of Hollywood
or
Two Against Nature and Janie Runaway
I can listen to 2vN over and over and never tire of it.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 08:13:58 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
"Gaucho" followed by "Time out of mind"
....and for a real roll....."Springtime", "Snowbound", "Tomorrow's Girls", "Florida Room" and "On the Dunes"
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 02:58:56 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Rajah
Ever get that burning in the eyes and spastic larynx thing when listening to Bad Sneakers or Third World Man? Well, take a listen to Big Country on Greatest Hits of the 20th Century by Bela Fleck and The Flecktones. It's also on their DVD Live AtThe Quick. Victor Wooten is the bass player.
As you may have gathered, I am not a Yank, but this tune kinda makes me wish I was. Everything about it is special, but at the climax of the soprano/bass trading section Wooten introduces a quote from Jaco's Continuum, and I turn to water. As a fan of stick on skin, you will enjoy the almost-over-the -edge feel of Future Man's time behind Bela Fleck's solo.
Victor is the genuine article. I've seen him play in the flesh, and I still can't work out how he does some of the things he does.
Of course the HowardLevy/ Flecktones/Steely Dan connection means that Victor is 'family' to danfans.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 02:25:23 ET
Posted by: victor wooten,
Hey Raj -
Just so you know, Victor Wooten and his brother Futureman are the rhythm section for Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. Some great stuff if you dig bebop/classical/bluegrass banjo.
Also, Victor is NOT from the Jaco school, developed all his stuff without ever hearing of Jaco. Says he learned it from his older brother. Victor is one of those astonishing combinations of technique and musicianship. Stern too. Chambers is not human, so I don't know where to categorize him.
Date: Sun, December 17, 2006, 00:13:27 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood
Show Biz Kids and My Old School. My two favorites. Glad to see them do Show Biz Kids this year, though I wish they hadn't changed it around. Danced my ass off to My Old School in Vegas and St. Louis.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 22:01:33 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
Okay, that's just funny! You could multiply that question by infinity Houdanfan! Ah, to laugh at oneself...
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 21:58:32 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
Faves that come to mind, tomorrow's girls and florida room....gaucho and time out of mind....
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 20:21:30 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Janie--I'd never read that about WB's background. Everything I've ever seen seems to have him just materialize at Bard, and the rest...is history. That's sad stuff; and, yes, you can picture these events coloring one's outlook. Thanks for passing that along.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 20:04:17 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I'd like to get opinions on the two best SD songs together on an album. I've got two favorites. Black Cow and Aja. Gaslighting and What a Shame. Both just flow together well. I could spend weeks just listening to those combos.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 19:14:35 ET
Posted by: PLAY IN AN SD TRIBUTE BAND!,
Hey guys,
I'm a student at the University of Pennsylvania, been playing drum since 3rd grade- all-state level, have played professional gigs, etc.
Anyways, I posted an ad on craigslist for a SD tribute band a couple days ago. Right now I have enough for a rhythm section, however I would like more to reply so that I could run an audition to get the best guys out there. We really need horns- I know you guys are out there with rage in your eyes and... okay I'll stop.
SO yea, if any of you live near or in Philadelphia and are interested, reply to rogersat@wharton.upenn.edu . If you have any friends that would be interested let them know!
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 15:47:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Walter is an artist in the grotesque school. Plus he's a blues man, complimented by Donald's incredible gift for melody and harmony. They do intersect at that blues sensibility, Walter more raw Delta blues, Donald an earlier urban kinda ragtime style. It works.
Saw Mike Stern with Dennis Chambers, Lemon Wooten and saxophonist Bob Franceschini at the Catalina Jazz Club, W1P and PQ are correct, sir, he's masterful. This guy is more geometric than Metheny, fewer flights of fancy, just stuff that makes great mathematical sense. Confident execution, of course, he's a Miles and a Jaco bandmate after stepping into what was left of Blood Sweat & Tears in the late 70s when he was just 22.
Chambers was unleashed a few times only, he's still very crisp and ahead of the beat, small kit, total pro. I love his work on Reelin in the Years from AIA.
The bassist, Victor Wooten, has toured with Prince and Dave Matthews, he's from the Jaco school certainly and really helped everything along. It's really like he's playing the melody or lead guitar which allow Stern to travel just about anywhere. Stern is surprisingly good at holding a dinner audience's attention with his quieter, harmonic stuff, never do you feel like falling asleep watching, I'd love to hear his interp of 3rd World Man.
Sax guy is a little young, brash, displays a great muscular presence. A bebppper, like to see more finesse there but just great.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 15:23:17 ET
Posted by: NY time, along way from TPA
Bob, not Q, but I don't think Kinky ever succeeded in ripping Q anything. What does Kinky know about anything? He never had anything insightful to say about the Dan or music.
As I remember the Yellowbook banter, all I remember is Kinky babbling about Q doing bootlegs for sale. Pretty lame stuff. Kinky doesn't seem to really know shit. Just a lot of bluster and negativity. He seems best named Kinky The Wizard of Oz as all he can do is hide behind his curtain and puff himself up.
Bob, it fits right in that you are a product of the Yellowbook and an empty headed devotee of Kinky. Don't rip yourself too big a new asshole!
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 14:54:29 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est- Who I'm I you ask? I've been a semi-regular poster here on the Blue for the last year. I posted more regularly on the Banyan Tree guestbook back in the late 90's. That's how I know Mr. Kinky. I especially liked when he used to rip "q" (you?) a new asshole.
LOL
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 14:27:12 ET
Posted by: Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est, Western World
Bob! great to hear from you too, where have you been!
Oh, I'm sorry - no one cares! Who the fuck are you, again??
kuleebaba - well finished notion started by Jane
"WB seeks something else, I'd say. The poignancy of ugliness.
True Dansters seek the tension between these two worldviews."
Although, I don't know that they are "worldviews" or, more likely, internal expressions
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 14:14:29 ET
Posted by: Runaway Janie, dfdf
Walter's past has much to do with his somewhat strident view of life -
mother and father split while he's a teen - mother off to England -
Walt with Dad - loves Dad - building great relationship with Dad - Dad dies of a heart attack on plane coming home to the States - Walt uunderstandably jaded.
DF's background/familial life much more stable and nuturing.
Jane
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 14:07:52 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba,
DF seeks beauty... Sure.
WB seeks something else, I'd say. The poignancy of ugliness.
True Dansters seek the tension between these two worldviews.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 14:04:43 ET
Posted by: Bob,
KINKY! Where the hell have you been? Haven't seen you around these parts in years. Welcome back!!
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 13:22:01 ET
Posted by: Vini, Vidi, Vici, Rome
Jane "DF and true Dansters want/seek BEAUTY" - right on
Kinky, Usually Truth is Beauty - not "everyone" is happy to hear from you again.
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 13:03:32 ET
Posted by: Runaway Janie, Plain Jane
If you can find it (it is one of a number of songs from "The King of Comedy" soundtrack LP), listen to DF's "The Finer Things". This tune wants so much to be precious but something is missing.
I think DF wanted such a detached/objective sound at the time this was released(1983)that he removed some unidentifiable emotional import from the song. I want so much to love this song but it sounds
joyless and depressed - maybe it's reflective of DF at the time.
It definitely is in need of a kind of ****SSRI**** of sorts.
The problem with having DF's musical/life aesthetic is that a VERY small segment of the entire population shares it. Most people, even the most sagacious, want noise and aggresion in their music.
DF and true Dansters want/seek BEAUTY.
Peace -
Jane
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 12:03:00 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Siobhan: There's some real truth to that, particularly post Aja
Nightfly > Gaucho
Kamakiriad (DVD-A) = Two Against Nature
Morph the Cat > Everything Must Go
I put down Morph for a month. Now it's better than ever. Donald's got the groove back! Lyrics is spots could be stronger, but the tunesmithery and harmonies have never been better. I hear Morph as en expansion of the last half of EMG (Greenbook, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, Everything Must Go).
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 11:43:47 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
Kinky, while it pains me to further fuel your internal bile bilge pump, I never said the auction was only up for 30 minutes, dumb shit.
You really are addled - re-read - it was a 30 minute gap between the time that I ended the auction voluntarily for my own reasons and the time at which I was notified by ebay that (someone at)Steely Dan(according to ebay) had asked that the auction be taken down.
Get it right, junior
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 10:59:54 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
Kinky - real simple - I have the emails. Why would I bother with the story at all if not true. I have dealt with Ebay and The Dan taking things off more than you by far - but back to the question - why would I bother introducing the story -? It has no value other than that it is in itself so bizarre, but is not meaningful except to show how crazy ebay can be.
Also, info exists that you don't have that gives it more color, but you don't have it and that kills you...
How's the 328 LoungeLizard mobile doing?
You had to pick something out as a basis for spewing your bile on the Blue floor. That's really all your about - is bile.
LOL
Date: Sat, December 16, 2006, 10:49:45 ET
Posted by: Rooster, LV
?
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 20:13:39 ET
Posted by: COnvvoyy, ibnb@convoy.com
Q, these are the same series of boots that got that Dan banned (after SD people spoke up) from a pair of bit torrent outfits. Nice try, though.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 20:13:38 ET
Posted by: Siobhan,, The Confessional
I don't post much but mostly lurk on this site but since this seems to be a time for confessions and there is something I needed to get out. I have always considered myself a true Danfan and viewed Don's solo work as a sideshow. After reading that somewhat crummy review of Kamakiriad I decided to see for myself. I had only recently listened to Morph the Cat. Kamakiriad and Nightfly had a thick layer of dust on them not haveing been touched for decades. As I listend to Kamakiriad I began to feel what can only be described as the "mechanised hum of another world". I then listened to Nightfly several times.
After several sleepless nights I have come to the conclusion that I must come out of the closet, and admit that I like Don's solo music better than Steely Dan's ITSELF! I don't know how this is going to affect my outlook but I feel liberated now that I have come out about this to the board. I only ask for empathy and I know I am taking the risk of NY Bill coming out and trashing me.
But the freedom of having it out in the open is more than worth it.
It might help to know if anyone else shares this feeling?
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 18:24:57 ET
Posted by: Peter Lorre, when things get...creepy
Maybe you boys ought to take this little skirmish out into the hall. There is this nice little Middle Eastern war theatre I know of, just turn right at Asia Minor.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 18:07:25 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
After all these years, glad you stopped by, Kinky.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 17:56:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
...another candidate for the Diplomatic Corps...let's introduce our next contestant, Alex...
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 17:36:07 ET
Posted by: Kinky,
Q said: "I PULLED THEM - from eBay because the price went out of control"
Q - What little credibility you had (not with me, of course) has vanished with this ridiculous statement. You put up an auction, which by definition is to get the highest price possible, yet you pulled these items because the price got too high?! And within 30 minutes of them being pulled, no less!
You may be able to fool the likes of Rajah and Daddy G, but don't think "everyone" is buying this, or any of your bullshit.
Some things will never change...
From 1996(?) - http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/Wanted.html
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 12:57:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
She keeps it on the top shelf of her closet. It has a dent in it. That and the TvN promo wheel, a busted MTC keychain and the Tee-shirts are about the extent of the collection. Ah yes, and the memories.
Q, I would love to see a list posted somewhere and if there were pictures that would be a cool tribute to them and a little nod to us as well.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 12:54:52 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Fuhgeddaboutit...
No problem. Done a few groggy posts myself over the years.
:~)
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 12:43:23 ET
Posted by: sorry!, TPA
Daddy, sorry, I just woke up - I misread your post - I get it now.
I had better go back to sleep!
Q
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 12:41:48 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
Thanks, Pam & Daddy G.
I didn't feel an internal need to explain myself, but my collecting foray has risen hackles around here for many years and engendered absurd speculations in the past of the type that are now emerging(i.e. that I am feeding the multi-billion $ market for Steely Dan bootleg material through my Malaysian recording and CD production plant, etc), so it seems that snuffing out such ignorance is a good idea.
Also, I have been a "custodian" of many of the pieces I have, so I felt some duty to explain my "about face " maneuver and make it clear that I am acting with respect for that custodial role.
As far as "innuendos", Daddy, you've got me on that one! What innuendos do you believe I was broadcasting in my post?? Email me privately if you would. I'm truly baffled by your inference.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 12:36:34 ET
Posted by: angel,
Q: Best to you moving forward. Thanks for explaining.
--
I guess Gretchen gets to be Coke Can keeper of the flame. :-)
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 11:54:57 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Q, As Pam says you don't have to explain yourself here, but nonetheless thank you for taking the time to do so. I found your post to be an interesting read and I understand the need/urge to respond to certain innuendoes, if only just in the interest of clarification lest those innuendoes start to become assumed as "fact."
Best to you and yours in re to "cloaked reason #1" as you put it. And good luck with the racing endeavors.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 11:38:30 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
A couple Language Log entries re...
Ahmet Ertegun
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003915.html#more
Nugetre
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003918.html
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 07:14:10 ET
Posted by: Pam, Dowhatchewannado
Q, my dear, you are entitled to live your life as you see fit and not explain yourself or your actions to the "Dandom". Peace to you, bro.
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 06:10:06 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Pam, thanks for the posting about Ahmet Ertegun, co-founder of Atlantic records. Very interesting article here about his life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6176697.stm
While reading it, I realised how important music has been in bringing us all together. Atlantic fused religions (Moslem, Jew and Christian), colour (black, white, middle eastern) and nationalities (Turkish, American, etc), styles (jazz, blues, country, R&B, rock, etc) and gave us some of the world's best musicians, bringing them to the attention of the masses. Wouldn't it be great if the Atlantic example was a microcosm of a much larger world.......
Peace out,
Ann
Date: Fri, December 15, 2006, 02:31:18 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA
Let me clarify regarding some recent comments about some of my eBay activities of late, and use this post as an opportunity to make an announcement to those few might who care about the larger topic I will reveal and discuss as briefly as possible here.
I see that there is banter about the boot box sets I offered on eBay which then extended to an observation about an award or two that I have offered on eBay, so it seems time to squelch the conspiracy theories and explain the bigger picture at the same time.
I will try to keep it brief, but it will take some space to give even just a thumbnail explanation - so if you don't care, don't bother reading on - it will be boring.
A) I did not package those sets! (Actually, kind of funny, but an uninformed post(s))- Those box sets (which are pretty well known among Dan music collectors) were done by someone (I have NO idea whom) within 12 mos of each tour under the label "Shamrock Records". I happened to buy 4 sets of each as I got them "cheap". I know “respected” other individuals on this board who own those very sets.
I never expected them to go to the prices they went to recently on eBay. What’s really funny to me is that - I PULLED THEM - from eBay because the price went out of control, and quickly- SO, the fact is that neither eBay nor SD actually took them off- although, within 30 mins of MY pulling them of my own volition, I got a notice that they were pulled by the band for being "unauthorized recordings" (esp. funny because the time that eBay shows them to be “pulled” by eBay admin was well after I ended the auctions myself!) –Also, kind of funny given that there are so many Dan boots on eBay at this very moment and, indeed, virtually at all times. SO, why my boot listings were particularly threatening is a mystery, other than the fact that the sets each contained rehearsal material from each tour - fair enough. But, again, I didn't manufacture them in any way what so ever, and the sets have been available for many (i.e. 8-5yrs) years through various sources.
Now, the more important “news” / message.
I have begun to deconstruct my massive Dan collection except for the vinyl, test pressings, and acetates. My passion for the Dan has always emanated solely from my passion for the art – the music, so the music I will keep to my grave – or for my family, but only if they appreciate the art.
Despite the predictably cynical comments about “dumping the collection”, or “things must be dark”, or “financial crisis”, or whatever – no, things are quite glowing. Also, "no" about “don’t like band anymore”- still love the music, just changing focus relative to the “stuff”- period. More elaboration follows for those who care.
Anyway, I have already sold @ $25000. of important and attractive material to private parties who are discrete people who "care" about the band and will give the material a good private home.
I am in no way engaging in a hasty fire sale, and - listen carefully (esp. those "upstairs") - my primary commitment is to attempt to sell all of the items that might be considered to be in any way - "sensitive" - on a private basis only- certainly not eBay, or even any of the various well known R&R memorabilia auction houses (all of whom have contacted me about the stuff), so as to maintain the discretion and archival care that I have accorded these items for many years.
Some people "in the know”, or otherwise hailed on this and other Dan boards or circles are aware of what I am doing (and have been for weeks) and they are aware of how I view and intend to transact the material. I do care about the privacy of the band, and I am trying to be sensitive to their interests and feelings. I assure you that no matter how long I take to sell the collection, I will NOT make a profit (which was never a motive for me -“Only A Fool” would think SD stuff to be an appreciating asset- stable and respected, yes, but- let’s face it folks – this ain’t Beatles, Led Zep, Pink Floyd or Elvis stuff!) indeed – quite the opposite – I will most definitely lose (some)money overall, but luckily, I do not have to worry about that, particularly. Since I am (and always have been) quite aware and comfortable in that knowledge, I am squarely in a position to execute on my stated goal of distributing the collection “appropriately”.
I have consulted a number of people who are highly respected people around these parts. I even ran the idea of making a general announcement on the guestbook(s) to give the Danfandom "first shot", but for various reasons (rightly or wrongly) I was advised not to worry about that angle too much.
However, as it has been picked up on the board and is a topic of some discussion (even if small), I decided to at least make the readers of this forum aware.
Yes, the Royal Scam award is a true gem (and gorgeous – as is some of the other stuff I will be able to post on eBay) - no question. I have a Katy Lied gold record, but that one I just can't let go of as it is one of my favorite Dan albums (and covers!). I have other VERY cool and, some, historic Dan awards, as well as handwritten lyrics, vintage posters that have never shown up on eBay or hardly elsewhere(frankly, if anywhere in the last 20 years or so), etc, etc, etc.- you name it- generally, I either have it or know where you might find "it".
I do not say this to brag - all of you know that I have been vigilantly collecting Dan stuff for many years, so I think it's pretty well known that I have picked up a lot of stuff and met a lot of people along the way - some of the stuff “significant”, some of it, honestly, is only one notch above the classification of being "junk"(but, I dare say “cool junk” -if you are a Danophile…).
So, I guess this leads to the question of "why" Q is doing this after being such an obsessive lunatic collector for over 20 years.
The bottom line is that 2 things in my life have come along and usurped my interest - period. These two personal issues are of such importance to me that my interest in Dan collecting (again, other than test presses and acetates - i.e. "it's the music, gang (and, really, it always has been for me - but, there's an old saying among collectors: "At first you control your collection - then it controls you" - only an obsessive collector/personality would really understand.)).
Thus, on to the catalytic issues. First, the most important reason is one that I choose not to share in this forum, but I am sure that any sane person who I chose to explain it to would agree with my decision based on the gravity of the attendant issue(s). I have explained it thoroughly to a couple of the High Priests of The Dandom, and they fully agreed and supported the decision based solely on “cloaked reason #1". I will say that it is an issue of deep personal psychological focus and priority setting and leave it at that. A person can only focus on so many things in life and I have bee presented with a pleasant fork in the road and have made my decision. No “event” could change my mind based on “reason 1”. It has to do with something far more important than finances- and has zero basis in personal finances. Discover more, tangentially, on that topic below, if you care, under the heading “reason 2”.
The second reason relates to my semi-pro auto racing "career,and my professional race car testing (side in the past - but now exploding) career and aspirations in this area.
Approximately 3 years ago I was seriously injured in a public parking lot accident of no fault of my own ( I was almost literally completely run over by an idiot in an SUV- a Suburban…pulling fast out of a space without looking and hitting me perpendicularly ). That hit took me right out of the racing/testing ball game in a matter of seconds. It took me 2 years to rehabilitate my neck and bulging and herniated discs to the point where I was able to get the necessary 3 doctors to sign off on my getting back into the racing/testing game. Once I got the “go ahead” ( from Mrs. Q and the doctors and manufacturers…) I immediately used my contacts to offer my services to various teams, manufacturers, and sponsors.
So, as I have been receiving offers in the auto world and realizing how enthusiastic I am about getting back in, along with embracing the ramifications of my ripe old age of 43, it hit me that I just don't want the distraction of the Dan thing, and that my passion for racing which has been with me since childhood is far stronger- especially since I really only have another 10 years to maximize my shot at the racing /testing game. And, I must say, when you have offers from the caliber of teams and manufacturers that have made offers to me, you have to be insane to let anything - other than your family if they preclude you- get in your way of pursuing the opportunity. Luckily, I have the support of my family - and a lot of life insurance...
So, “reason 2” has one essential and key similarity to “reason1” – it comes down to personal focus, cutting out distractions, and defining priorities – in my case, some might call it “growing up”…to some degree, anyway…
Oh, and for the snipers, who have already taken the low road, it doesn’t hurt at all that I just sold my RE Finance company to an old line Wall Street firm for a tidy sum, so I have plenty of……time for running tracks here and abroad. No dark skies here that I can see! Can’t wait to get behind the wheel at 170 and then pulling 3+gs on the braking! And then, popping a Dan disc in on the way home or on the flight.
Well, there it is. I have never been, am not, and will not be involved in manufacturing boots.
I am selling my collection, but I don't care if it takes 2 years or 10 years. I just don't want the distraction of still being on the accumulation side – it always becomes “oh shit – what did I miss”…. Just distributing it will be more distraction than I would like! But, that's where the fact that I am primarily interested in private transactions with true fans makes it easier (as such people usually want multiple items in one swoop) and also it facilities the fulfillment of executing on my commitment to be as discrete as possible out of respect for DF & WB in this process.
There are a LOT of "things" in the collection which I envision that I will never sell or trade simply because they are too sensitive for me to let them out of my hands – I could only trust them with someone like- the Swami, or…well, can’t think of anyone else off hand…. That is not to say that the items I am specifying here are disparaging to the band, or in any way embarrassing or “damaging”, but because they are items that contain information that is truly private and probably should never have gotten "out on the market", so to speak, in the first place. You would be stunned how many things "get out" through the most innocent or inadvertent circumstances. Many of these items were offered to me “first”- before going into the “public” sphere - because the people involved were confident that I would "do the right thing" with such "items" - and I am following through on that - even at my own cost. Hell, some of the stuff, I would be willing to simply give back to DF/WB or some of the other band figures involved, but I don't have a conduit to them, and have never sought one. So, I will simply keep them in the safe deposit boxes and, my wife and my will/Trust "know" what to do with those "sensitive" items upon my demise.
Finally, I am making an open offer on this "public" forum, and this "public" forum only, to discuss, and/or make available "the list" of available items with anyone who has a serious interest in "heavy" Dan memorabilia, or even more common stuff, or "in between" stuff.
I have all of the promo posters, shirts, incredible vintage concert tickets, photos, etc., blah, blah, blah.
I may be contacted via the email address posted above –that is my “real email address”. Incidentally, danman1@tampabay.rr.com is no more – changed ISPs.
Truly, this is not intended to be solicitous to the Danfandom community. If I never hear a word as a result of this post, that will be just fine with me. As, I stated above, I am in NO hurry, and I have many serious and discrete contacts who want me to put together different kinds of lists of “the stuff”. Again, I simply felt that if any group of people should be made aware that the collection is being distributed, it is this group of worthy SD devotees!
Despite the verbosity of this post, my purpose is sincere and is intended to be succinct – explain misconceptions, provide awareness of something that might be of importance to some people here, and to offer historic and otherwise potentially relevant SD artifacts to the Danfandom. I take it seriously, and I believe that others here take it seriously and that's all it's about. If you even just have questions about this type of stuff, feel free to ask – i.e. which Dan RIAA award is the rarest? Interesting question - and answer! FYI, A great site is www.riaa.com - great search engine on artists.
If anyone thinks I should simply post a web page URL that has a list or pictures, feel free to email me and I’ll see what I can put together.
Phew! That’s all folks! Sorry, I couldn’t see a way to condense it more- although, I guess I could have just refrained entirely, oh well. What the hell, I haven’t posted in a pretty long while so I figure I’m somewhat “entitled” to interrupt and/or irritate the “normal” Bluebook flow….
If the polis thinks Hoops should just take it down then have at it!
See you at the shows!
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 22:34:24 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
p.s. - I almost forgot to mention
that the first Steely Dan bootleg
was called, "Rotoscope Down".
Isn't that ironic.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 22:25:15 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Brain -
Glad to see you "got" the irony.
I let that "clue" hang for days,
but no one would chime in. Had
to close the question last night.
It was just hanging around for too
long!
But, if "a-ha" is the finest band to
come out of Norway, well, I feel
very sorry for the people of Norway.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 21:54:09 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Wow, how sad...He was a true great...
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 21:46:18 ET
Posted by: Pam, I Am
http://www.steelydan.com/monique.html
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 21:43:42 ET
Posted by: Pam, I Am
Ahmet Ertegun, founder of Atlantic Records, passed away today. We should all live so long.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 21:07:07 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Word is beginning to get out?
This LiveDaily blurb is the first Google News item I've seen which mentions "Heavy Rollers '07," although it doesn't have any new info or further details...
http://tinyurl.com/yyv32z
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 20:59:54 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Tomorrow's Girls video features Rick Moranis and the really really weird Snowbound has a surreal Fagen bobble head is a toy car. Both are on the DVD-A of Kama and well worth the price of admission. Kama in DVD-A stereo or 5.1 also is a miraculous transformation as an audio recording. Much more open than the CD version and many songs in the stereo mode are remixed as well. Countermoon mix is now especially snarky
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 20:49:36 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Continuing on with another video question, "New Frontier" was not the last video by SD/DF to be in rotation on MTV/VH1 as might be presumed. About ten years hence, DF was at it again with at least two videos in rotation but not simultaneously. Name at least two of these videos.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 20:28:49 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
DOC MU correctly identified AND demonstrated the verse to chorus similarity derived between "Sign in Stranger" from Royal Scam and "Home at Last" from SD's next album Aja.
"Your Gold Teeth 2" was not acceptable, even though similarities exist between the choruses of the two songs, but not verse to chorus. Also, the Bonus part of the question insisted on poetry/rhyming--in this case it was the terminal sound "ast". "Sign in" has "....fix it fast". "Home at Last" has "...tied to the mast". ".....surely past" which would allow one to zone in on which song to choose--"Sign in Stranger".
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 20:22:58 ET
Posted by: TP, IL
Hey little wild one, Tall Paul from the St. Louis Toodle-O show. Got to Ebay right away for the Tee-Shirt you love so dearly. 40min. left
http://cgi.ebay.com/DONALD-FAGEN-STAR-EYE-CAT-LARGE-BLACK-BABYDOLL-T-SHIRT_W0QQitemZ320059467622QQihZ011QQcategoryZ104742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 20:14:39 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
For the two-part question of the video by SD/DF that was in early MTV era rotation were "tag-teamed". DR HOO was first with the correct answer "New Frontier". The second part was a little tougher but LURKER RAY came up with "Rotoscoping" as the unique cinematic technique, which certainly is correct. An anonymous poster explained in detail how it works.
An irony there was that LURKER made some perjorative comments about "a-ha", perhaps the finest band to come out of Norway which used the same technique in its video "Take On Me" in 1985.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 18:18:49 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the remainder
Well, hey, I don't know where you can get a 2006 SD t-shirt (maybe only at the Shrine), but I got an e-mail yesterday from McMike's camp that it's Everything Must Go time from his summer stock:
"Wishing Everyone a Happy Holiday!
With the year coming to a close we have deeply discounted all of Michael's 2006 Merchandise. Please take a look at these great items and get one for you or a loved one while supplies last." $6.00 for most t-shirts.
I still rumble around around on ebay looking for those DF cat's eye t-shirts (wore mine 'til it got holy).
That was cool news from England about Jon playing for Madeline Peyroux!
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 17:14:25 ET
Posted by: Grandpa McCoy, I can't get up
I can roll myself out Rumply! I got the new H21-Personal Mobile Device from Project Oxygen. Now if you can just shove a wooden block under my wheels when I get onstage, we'll be good to go.
Ah, what key are we doing "Peg" in again?
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 17:09:57 ET
Posted by: Uncle Rumply, Flatulence, CA
What would the new year be without Ol' Grampa McCoy and yer Uncle Rumply? Roll out the Heavy Rollers!!!
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 15:57:06 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Milo and Rajah, thanks for the tips and offers! I haven't purchased a ticket to Chumash and I usually do well getting a good seat cuz it's just me, myself and I. I just can't decide what to do yet. It's that nagging feeling that I will miss something truly wonderful, like if I had blown off Soboba in the dead of summer...would've missed that sound check at sunset and the wild dancing chick with drink in hand...so many things to consider! It's all good, I have a sneaky feeling that the thought of missing my boys at the outset of '07 would be too much to bare, so more later on that note...
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 14:25:53 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
"Free Slots" at the Table Mountain Wednesday nite only 1/17/06.
That is my next angle
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 13:38:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Say and do anything, strike deals, make promises you can't keep, get in there boy and lie, lie, lie, tell her you have a newly discovered maiden aunt from ancestors.com who's seriously ill in Beulleton, tell her your sciatica is acting up and the most highly regarded consulting physician resides on the Table Mountain Indian Reservation in Friant. Or go back to the wine country angle, tell her you've arranged a night of unbridled passion for her with that hunky guy from Sideways. Be creative, fake your own demise.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 13:15:38 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Stay East Young Man
Rajah, I hear you and I have a feeling that I am going to miss something special at the High Roller tour but she who must be obeyed already committed our flyer miles to a trip to the tropics in January. To be totally honest I don't think I could have talked her into a show at an Indian casino in the middle of East Bumfuck. The "Sideways" angle might have got me a little traction but no, it's just not in the cards. Maybe the damn thing will get expanded to a full tour...
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 12:26:58 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC packin'
“Sign in stranger” never occurred to me but, I must say it does make sense.
To me, the lines in “YGT” and “Home at last” have a similar musical feel to them:
“..throw out you gold teeth and see how they roll”
And
“well the danger on the rocks is surely past”
have always struck me as musically related.
But then one can make the argument that any composer’s works have similarities to them;
Some more than others.
It’s the ‘apple doesn’t fall far from the tree’ thing.
You know it’s interesting, my wife and I went out to dinner last night as our last dinner on U.S. soil for about a month and we had Indian (one of my wife’s favorites) me on the other hand can have it and then won’t want it for a while, it’s just too much!
Too spicy, too rich, too overwhelming and way too pervasive.
It’s the same with the Dan, I can listen to them for a stretch and then have to get away from it or better yet cut it with something fresh, one of my favorite Dan alternatives is none other than 11TOW, it’s such a stripped down and honestly raw CD.
I keep going back to it time and time again.
Well, Steel-heads I better help my honey finish packing, I’ll be back mid-January.
Denise, thank you for the Bon voyage wish earlier.
In advance I wish each of you and yours a happy, healthy, merry and joyous
Chanukkah, Saturnalia, Christmas, Kwanzaa, Festivus and New Year!
I’ll miss you guys.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 12:15:12 ET
Posted by: bobbo, ((last thing, I swear))
Hey Y'all,
In spending some unplanned time at my father's house the last couple of days, I've been exposed to "something completely different": the Texas band, Asleep at the Wheel, did a tribute album of Bob Wills covers not long ago, and it may be the painkillers, but...some of that Western Swing is a little "Steely," don't ya think?
Let me know...I'm thinking so, myself, but as you know I'm only a lad among scholars, here. Thought I'd suggest Something Old. Forgimme, forgimme, so sorry. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 12:13:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Do what my Mexican neighbors used to do: leave them up and turned on until Cinco de Mayo. They did, however, take down the Creche with Joseph, Mary, baby Jesus, the 3 Wise Men and a plastic blow-up Santa shoved in there next to a sheep and a goat. Small mercies.
Amanda Congdon is da bomb in that wonder-waif Steely Dan tee-shirt. Pert perky package. Definite roller-skater. More of the same.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 12:10:57 ET
Posted by: bobbo, HOME AT LAST (and I really mean it, fellas)
Hey Blue,
Second thing I looked for, now that I'm home! Man, it's good to see you're all still around, carousing and all...I missed you. Hope all's well there, guys, and though you never knew I was gone for a couple of days, may I please reiterate: GOD I'M GLAD TO SEE YA. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 11:57:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Damn it Rajah I said I was working on it
And what about those friggin Xmas lights you sold me? When will I have time to take those down? In February?
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 11:40:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Craig, I understand, hey, we're working guys over here, what are we suppose to do, ditch work, chuck all our other responsibilities and commitments smack in the middle of January right after the holidays, I mean, I should really take down my Xmas tree, look at all these pine needles everywhere, when I think of the bills I have to pay, calories I've snarfed over the holidays, that friggin cheese ball covered with the nuts always destroys me, and just when I started to be able to fit into my pants again, that big pile of work left over in January cause I kept putting it off till after the 1st. I really should get my teeth cleaned too and I think it might even be time for another check on my blood pressure and colesterol, I need to get back on that treadmill and get some decent rest, not load up the El Camino and head off half-cocked on some crazy road trip through mountains and deserts, back roads and passes chasing after my long-lost youth and hairline following some freaky reanimated rock n roll band from the 70s led by two guys who now look more like Uncle Rumply and Grandpa McCoy than rockers. And at two crappy-ass Indian Casinos with a bunch of retirees pumping the dime slots and clogging up the buffet line, cripes-on-a-crutch, Lord knows what's been dropped in that creamy spinach dip, no, no, don't look dude, is that chiche or some rubber product with adhesive oozing out? No, I can't do this, I'm not going into the middle of nowhere to hear FM for the 15th time. Am I that crazy, stupid, desparate, pitiful?????
It's kinda scary to dig yourself in the Bluebook.
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 11:31:45 ET
Posted by: Meet the Steely Dan t-shirt model, from ABCnews.com...
http://abcnews.go.com/Amanda/
An Online Newscaster’s Appealing Bafflement
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/arts/television/13cong.html
Not bad...
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 09:13:14 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
RR Jas
I’m in for the Chumash but Table Mtn is doubtful (outstanding warrants in that part of the state…wearing speedos in public)
Monday is a long way away maybe something might happen so we can attend
Rajah’s shame tacit is working overtime on me
See you at the shoe for sure
Thanks for asking
Date: Thurs, December 14, 2006, 03:28:28 ET
Posted by: cj55, in Rudys
All I want for Christmas is Pretzel Logic 5.1 5.1 5.1 5.1. Elliot Scheiner says its been done. Whats up guys. My B&W's are waiting. Pretzel Logic 5.1
Pretzel Logic 5.1
Pretzel Logic 5.1 Were did the bastard go.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 23:44:50 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
No, definitely not near the top of Northwestern's class. In the middle of the pack at Virginia, though. William and Mary wouldn't do.
I may graciously bow out here, and withdraw, having had my fun with Brain Strainer's little puzzles.
Of note, since Brain Strainer brought up Deacon Blues, I've enjoyed hearing the recurring shimmer of bells, which conclude the intro to that song, recur in "Green Book" and at the end of the intro to Mona. But nothing in my book tops Denny's solo in YGT2. Holy fuck.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 23:23:39 ET
Posted by: rotoscoped,
Rotoscoping was originally an film animation technique where you projected each frame of live action film onto paper and traced each frame by hand. You could then do whatever drawing techniques you wanted and reshoot the drawings back onto film.
When projected you get a hand drawn animated film with motion that is actually real.
Now it's a fairly standard auto-tracing routine for computers.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 23:20:15 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
On the Mountain Table site, click on Bill Engvall "Buy Tickets" square and a diagram of the arena will show up. Sorry if this has been reported.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 23:05:33 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
What is "Rotoscoping"?
Alex?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 22:05:29 ET
Posted by: awscrewit,
I mean Hemorrhager
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 22:04:28 ET
Posted by: erratum,
Hemorrager
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 22:03:29 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Horrager: You obviously can't be Strainer - You're comparison actually makes sense. ;-)
Very good catch. "and the danger on the rocks is surely past." has that one - twothree beat but the sequence of notes is very, very, very similar to Victor Feldman's piano leading into the verse of
SIGN IN STRANGER
Except for the note for note lifting of Big Noise New York in the title track of EMG, this indeed has some similarities.
Let's compare and contrast the two phrases. Sign in Stranger is in the key of C. "have you heard about boom on Mizar 5?"
is F F F F F E D C E
Home at Last is though in another key -B flat which has 2 flats, Bb and Eb
"danger on the rocks is surely past"
is Eb Eb Eb Eb Eb D C Bb D
So what we have is the virtually the same step sequence in a different key. Cool.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 21:30:28 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
Friends and Weirdos:
You can have a good laugh at my expense right here see Pic #15
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/slideshows/2006/12/marathon_2006/
See you in January
Geoff
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 21:25:07 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
Still no further guesses to the "Home at Last" question?
HINT: The verse of the song is melodically, by ear, and poetically very similar, to the chorus in "Home at Last". There is maybe one note, or chord difference between them and the song in question has no "lope", the piano is more "staccatto"?.
Gotta now be a dead giveaway?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 21:03:51 ET
Posted by: Curioso, Curiosity
I may be mistaken, but Home At Last builds in 4ths to the end of the line, then puts a 3rd on top - think of the intro piano riff, the Amen at the end - it's church music without the churchy cadence. I'm not hearing anything even remotely like this in Babylon?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 20:23:29 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrager,
Need to match VERSE to CHORUS, not CHORUS to CHORUS as it is in YGT2.
Close, but incorrect.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 20:17:19 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SYV
Your Gold Teeth
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 20:16:06 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SYV
I have seen your iron and your brass
Can't you see it shine behind the glass
????
Takin a stab at it here....
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 20:01:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrager,
Yes, I believe that syncopation, off the beat comes into play.
That question indicates that you might have the tune in mind.
A clue for the question is in the Bonus.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:47:33 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
CURIOSO: Yes. Abbrev.
DR MU: Don't know what you are talking about, none of the questions thus far have involvey "Deacon Blues", "Mona" or whatevah. There will be some "Deacon" questions forthcoming, in case you or others want to get ready. DR HOO is probably cranking up already.
Also, there are several issues DR MU:
On the "Home at Last" question I would suggest to you, with deference, not to vehemently refute the answer until you analyze or we get a consensus. Appreciate the interest.
Yes, I am onto lots of things, but not "Deacon" just yet.
Did you conclude anything about the "Dude" and "Caves" similarities?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:45:40 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu , Skeptical City
hmmmm. The Deacon Blues chord slut stuff is waaaaay closer than Home at Last, which is very altered blues number. Perhaps, what you're really hearing is the PURDIE SHUFFLE!!!!!! on both Sisters and Home at Last.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:39:52 ET
Posted by: Even Curioser, Huh?
I'm curious how you're counting the beats per measure in both Home At Last and Babylon Sisters that you say they're similar musically????? Please explain. I am also curious if you think either one of these is syncopated off the beat or not?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:37:38 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC Packin'
Well Brain, i would say "Homes" chorus and "YGT2's" chorus are very similar musically....
but poetically i don't quite know which early tune is 'Homes-y'
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:28:18 ET
Posted by: Curioso, Curiosity
What do you mean changing the 'timing'?????? Do you mean the time signature?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:21:21 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,
Speaking of "Home at Last" we are now going to crank the difficulty level up to 8.5 or so which means the question moves up from a brain "strainer" to a "hemorrhager".
It has been shown that SD/DF has derived the chorus of any given song from the verse of previous song, musically, and changing the timing, sharps and minors, adding "lopes" etc.
Name the Old Testament song from whose verse the CHORUS of "Home at Last" is derived, musically.
Bonus: Provide the line of verse that from that song where the words line up and rhyme poetically with "Home's" chorus.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 19:05:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
"Babylon Sisters" and "Home At Last" was the connection we were looking for and DR HOO was first with the correct answer! These two songs are strongly related, with very little changes in key, timing etc. Some people out on the Blue might suspect that I'm giving DR HOO the answers, but I swear I am not. No cheating. I'll tell you one thing, DR HOO must have been at or near the top of the class at Northwestern, or something.
The two-part question about the SD/DF video in rotation in the early days of MTV is still open. We asked for the name and the cinematic technique not commonly used on music videos of that era. We are going to up the ante with possibly, but not definitely TWO tickets to WINE TASTING near Friant, CA!*
*Must be at least 21 years of age to be eligible
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 18:40:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Let's say they were to be doing a DVD. They'd need a unifying theme of some sort. How 'bout, "Heavy Rollers," and populate the DVD with all the gambler, wild rambler tunes. Just for a start,
Do It Again
With a Gun
Night by Night
Dr. Wu
Glamour Profession
anything to do with gambling, boozing, gunplay, drugs, ya know, good ole family values Indian Casino tunes...let's see now...
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 18:38:52 ET
Posted by: Gojoe,
Greg - How many major bands have you seen that have released a live DVD from a casino on an Indian Reservation? That doesn't seem completely plausible to me.
"Steely Dan- Live from The Chief Knock- A- Homer Casino in Butt Fuck, California".
I don't think so!
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 18:31:18 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
<<"perhaps both shows will be filmed for a hi-def release or DVD"
Greg - Keep dreaming>>
It's not much of a dream. Rather, it seems compeltely plausible. Most concerts are filmed in high def now. And the money is in DVD sales, not sales of live albums. See Rush, the Eagles, and countless others.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 17:13:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This is true, dear blu, it's about 240-250 miles to Fresno by auto, getting over the Grapevine is the testiest part, if it's snowing you'll have to have chains or the CHPs will send you back down to San Fernando. Cut over to the 41 in Fresno. Friant is only at 300 feet in elevation, barely the foothills of the Sierra, not much chance of snow.
A roundtrip ticket out of LAX, John Wayne or Burbank will cost you 400+ USD plus rental car, hotel, yeah, that gets expensive for a night in scintillating Fresno or Friant, CA. The smart thing to do would be blow off work on Weds-Thurs-Fri, now we're getting somewhere, drive up there, stay the night and progress on down to Santa Ynez at a leisurely pace after brunch in their historic district (yikes) no offense intended to the fine folks of Fresno County.
Head SW over to the Paso Robles, Morro Bay, San Luis Obisbo, Pismo Beach area, down the coast on the 101 get off at the 154 south to Santa Ynez.
Or you can email us at the above, you can ride up with me G and Alan. We're good at road trips by now.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 16:25:22 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Miss Blu-
Just take the 5 up to Fresno. It's a straight "gut-shot".
You can haul ass if you want. The trip should take no more
than 4 hours tops. By the time you get to the airport and
check in early enough.....basically, it will probably take
less time by car and you would save the money.
Hope this helps.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 15:52:26 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, from the pagoda of funn
Thanks Rajah for the info on table mountain...You and Gretchen seem to jet set on a fairly regular basis. I live in Socal and can't quite figure out how to get up there. Is Fresno the closest to fly in?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 15:35:04 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,
Brain: this time you may have something. Larry Carlton's rhythm guitar chord progression
opening Deacon Blues.
resembles a little the Rhodes chord progression on Sistahs before
"Drive west on Sunset to the Sea"
Guess what - a similar type of pattern shows up recently on one of Fagen's all time best - The Night Belongs to Mona
angel: the ears are certainly better than what's between 'em! ;-)
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 15:20:33 ET
Posted by: Jon,
Check out Amanda Congdon's "online blog" at ABCNews.com. She's sporting a way cool SD tee shirt. Where can I get one???
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 14:50:52 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Angel - Jack FM uses "Do It Again" for a lot of promo clips, too. I swear, everytime I hear "Jack" in between songs that it's Donald's voice. I could be wrong but it sounds pretty close or maybe I'm just hearing what I want to hear.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 12:55:16 ET
Posted by: Gojoe,
"perhaps both shows will be filmed for a hi-def release or DVD"
Greg - Keep dreaming.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 12:37:50 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, White Plains, NY
Rajah provides that : "the Bingo Hall at Table Mtn. in Friant holds 1200 people, almost dead similar in configuration to Chumash which holds 1300. They are both multi-purpose ballroom type affairs...the rear section is on temporary risers that they wheel out, just like Chumash."
A theory: because each room looks almost identical, perhaps both shows will be filmed for a hi-def release or DVD, such that they can be edited together smoothly and the rooms won't appear different on film (of course, the band would have to wear the same clothes!) Remember that plush was filmed over a series of nights (2?).
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 12:26:27 ET
Posted by: angel,
Yep, Mu has the best ears in Texas. ;-)
--
Jack FM (Playing what we want). At the top of each hour they run quick segments of many songs. Recently they had one of these montages begin with the guitar riff open to Reelin'. No suprise there, since that song is a usual one in a classic rock roster. The other day I heard a new one and in the middle of it they use the line about "Please take me along when you slide on down". Hey 19 is not exactly your normal radio fare these days, so I was pleased to hear it.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 12:19:54 ET
Posted by: Professor Moriarty,
Fiendishly clever The Two.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 11:57:52 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Very interesting Madeleine Peyroux information Duncan!
Now here is the "rub". How can Jon Herrington be touring
with Madeleine Peyroux and be playing with Steely Dan
in January? Madeleine is in Melbourne, Australia on
Jan. 19th?
The game is definately afoot.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 10:39:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
For those who asked, the Bingo Hall at Table Mtn. in Friant holds 1200 people, almost dead similar in configuration to Chumash which holds 1300. They are both multi-purpose ballroom type affairs, I think I remember carpeting at Chumash. It's a big rectagular room for conferences, weddings. I was informed on the phone that Friant has three sections of seating with an aisle down the middle, the rear section is on temporary risers that they wheel out, just like Chumash. Box office guy at Chumash said his favorite seats are actually up on those risers to the left or right of the soundboard cause you can see the whole room and not be caught up having to stand which apparently happens a lot on the floor seats. The seats are chairs that are brought out and positioned.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 08:35:36 ET
Posted by: Haircut Jones, Studio
Mu - there's your Tom Scott factor. If you play Scott's charts modally, without sharps, they still sound great. And in Any Major Dude the acoustic guitar is punctuated on the Fender Rhodes with 11th and 13th chords (some voiced in different order). Claim that penis.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 08:15:44 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Ah, the Purdie Shuffle...
The Babylon Sisters are home at last.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 06:58:24 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
An earlier post mentioned "Babylon Sisters" being an offspring on "Black Cow", but not directly. Many times there are lateral movements of derivation and influences and not a direct path. From which song other than "Black Cow" on the Aja record does "Babylon Sisters" appear to be most directly derived?
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 03:51:00 ET
Posted by: duncan, UK
I had the pleasure of seeing Madeleine Peyroux at the Sage in Gatedhead UK last night, I was really looking forward to the show as it's my last for this year.
I've been intrigued by her voice & phrasing since hearing ''Don't wait to long'' in March 2005.
The tenuous Steely Dan link through Walter & his appreciation of her talents gave me a nice warm feeling inside as we sat down for the show.
Imagine my surprise when Mr Jon Herington stepped out to check his gear!!
The show was a triumph, made all the better by the superb interplay between Madeleine & her band.
The highlight for me was a version of Randy Newman's ''I think it's going to rain today'' during which Mrs Peyroux had to fight back the tears. (Ironically played on the same piano than Mr Newman used for his July 21st show at the same venue, which I attended)
I now feel confident that should Steely Dan ever tour the UK that Mr Herington will steer the boys to the best music venue in the north of England the Sage Gateshead.
Let the debate begin!!!
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 01:44:29 ET
Posted by: Completist, HK
The Kama reviewer misses the point by saying...
'The songs on Kamakiriad are mainly static one-chord vamps, with little of the interesting off-beat hits or chord changes that characterized most of Steely Dan's corpus...'
No entirely untrue, but no one doubts DF could have recreated that (apparently favored) SD signature sound. One chord vamps ? What's funk, anyway ?
The horns are fine. No complaints about Florida Room, Springtime, Countermoon...and I guess the reviewer doesn't like the trombone or he might have appreciated Teahouse on the Tracks. He is right, though: It's not Aja.
It doesn't have those melodies, but does have Florida Room, On the Dunes, Tomorrow's Girls.
I guess I rather like Kama's outsider status. Feels more personal that way.
And I particularly like the lyrical ideas. Glad DF never bothered to try to win over reviewers.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 01:07:57 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
We have had some responses to the question of SD/DF video in the early days of MTV. This is a two part question, which still leaves it open for the taking!
DOC MU--Thanks for the analysis. We really need this type of ability to check certain things out. Where is IDT Chrysler when you need him? So what do you conclude? Even though there were some misstatements about where in "Caves" the "Dude" was present, would you say that at least it would be possible that these songs are in part deriver and derivee? Similar in ways that could be picked up by ear but not necessarily dead on?
LURKER/CHRIS-The part about SD missing the video age is supposed to be humorous. The fact that SD was (until recently)nearly totally shrouded in awe and mystery for so many years was key to the band's appeal.
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 00:54:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I was being sarcastic. "Ha-ha" is a
joke, the actual name is "a-Ha".
Every Steely Dan song is a mystery.
Every Steely Dan song is a movie.
It's awesome that everyone has their own
"images" on how that "movie" plays out.
I love the fact that there aren't
skanky videos out there to ruin those
private "movies" that every Steely Dan
fan has in their "Cranial-Ipod".
Date: Wed, December 13, 2006, 00:10:32 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
"Thank God. That is one of the reasons I love this
band so much. Could you imagine a "Ha-ha" styled
"Take On Me" video of say, "Hey Nineteen"? "
well, no, because it would have been steely dan, not the ha has.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 22:59:08 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
typo - the F#s on Dude chorus should have read D#s on the chorus
E E E E E E E D# D# D# D# E C# D E F# = E E E E E E E F# F# F# F# E C# D E F#
vs. Caves chorus
E C# E E E E F# E E E E E
not quite as close, but somewhat similar.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 22:41:44 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
What is New Frontier?
Alex.
The career of Steely Dan unfortunately missed the Halcyon days of MTV/VH1 when the music video was King.
Unfortunately?
Thank God. That is one of the reasons I love this
band so much. Could you imagine a "Ha-ha" styled
"Take On Me" video of say, "Hey Nineteen"?
Video killed the radio star.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 22:39:09 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Well, my all-time fave video, "New Frontier" (okay, maybe second to Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game")
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 21:56:31 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Brain: angel can vouch for my ears.
Caves is the key of E (4 sharps) but there's so many accidentals, it's hard to tell
Dude is more straightforward, Key of A (3 sharps)
"Could it the this sad design"
is F# C# C#, F# D C# B
does not resemble
"Any major dude with half a heart surely would tell ya my friend"
is E E E E E E E F# F# F# F# E C# D E F#
although in similar sounding keys (3 vs 4 sharps) and same range of notes
HOWEVER, THIS part of Caves, part of the CHORUS and not the VERSE (as Strainer identified)) is much closer
"before the fall when they wrote it on the wall"
E C# E E E E F# E E E E E
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 21:38:48 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
BREAKING NEWS:
Should you be in London on 1st July next year, don't miss:
the CONCERT FOR DIANA, which would have been her 48th birthday.
A concert to celebrate her life, organised by Princes William and Harry.
Tickets go on sale tomorrow (today for me):
http://www.concertfordiana.com/home/index.asp
Ann
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 21:27:21 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Thanks Mr Squirrel!! I've now got 21 tracks!!
....and Daddy G, thanks for confirming Skunk's birthday. I was quite surprised when I got an email from Google last week saying it was the 6th Dec, when of course, it's the 13th......so as it's already the 13th here in Darkest Borneo (10.20am), I can justifiably say:
HAPPY 58TH BIRTHDAY TO THE SKUNK!!! YOUR STAGE PRESENCE ENHANCED THE ENTERTAINMENT FACTOR OF ANY DAN CONCERT!
(....and here was I thinking that it was only Girl Margaret and myself who actually remembered our beloved Jeff!!)
Good night to you all and good morning to Alan (lucky sod!!), Jeri and SS and greetings to all out there in Greater Dandom.
Ann
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 20:42:47 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The career of Steely Dan unfortunately missed the Halcyon days of MTV/VH1 when the music video was King. SD missed the crucial period from about 1981 to the late 1980's when videos were emphasized. Later, reality shows (Road Rules etc,) were brought in and MTV, as some have said began to suck. If MTV had come out in say 1971, think of the possibilities the Dan might have had. Imagine such things as a video of "Deacon Blues" with bums cooking rats on trash barrels under bridges; on-location footage of the "Caves of Altamira"; outtakes of Dog Day Afternoon--who knows?
Despite this lost opportunity, SD/DF had one video in regular MTV rotation in 1982 that employed unique cinematography. Name the video and that unique technique as far as videos of that era were made.
DOC MU--Were you able to assess any true "Dude-Caves" similarity that was described by using your Yamaha? It was corroborated by "ear" by 3 or 4 people. Let us know. Thanks.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 20:10:03 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Black Cow is the answer we were looking for, which was given by ADORABLE GHOST due to its very similar, sound, trombone snippets funky back beat to "Jack of Speed" To a person who never heard the first five Old Testament records, they would see the connection to "Jack of Speed". Black Cow (how appropriate!) is the mother of all loping, "black" (if you will) jazzy, soul, R&B SD/DF/WB songs up to the present. It was the first, most popular, funky SD song delivering into Gaucho with songs like My Rival and Babylon Sisters as its "calves". Also Green Earrings was probably the first major SD/DF move into the strong funk we have seen the likes of in songs such as "Lunch With Gina" and "Brite Nightgown".
Now having said that, RAJAH, who coined the phrase "lope" comes in with "Dirty Work" as an answer and it coincides with his Country and Western characteristic that he maintains as an origin of the Lope. I believe we are gradually gaining an understanding of the Lope, among other things, which is what it is all about. So we now know that the Lope can be present in such a "country rock" song like "Dirty Work" and is not merely relegated to songs with an R&B, "bouncy" funk beat. From this standpoint RAJAH is technically correct, going far back into the Old Testament.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 20:05:17 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, B14...B14...BINGO!!!!!
Does anybody have a seating chart for Friant??? All GA or what?
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 19:28:01 ET
Posted by: ebay,
Q's soundboards have been pulled off of ebay
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 18:15:00 ET
Posted by: angel, Don't Take Me Alive
But that Gold Record of The Royal Scam, sure look good. ;-)
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 17:47:27 ET
Posted by: Ball, here
Anyone who bids on those tour rehearsals on Ebay is a dope. Those things have been around for years in the lossless community, with a great sound. I got mine for free. Q just put a nice package around them, and is going to make five hundred bucks for his work.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 16:46:22 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SY
Brain- Black Cow
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 16:10:00 ET
Posted by: tom scott,
RJ Squirrel
Tom Scott plays the tenor solos on Gaucho and Lyricon on two other Gaucho pieces.
I sort of remember from an interview that the Steely Boys were trying to get away from Tom Scott's signature sound, which was on everything at the time, and find their own horn arranging sound. I wish they had worked more with Scott too.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 15:53:18 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Okay, does anyone have any info about Friant? Just trying to figure out the particulars...
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 15:35:46 ET
Posted by: Hey 19, the future looks dark
It looks like "Q" down in Tampa is dumping his Steely Dan Collection. I guess he needs the money or he's not into the band anymore.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZqscuderiaQQhtZ-1
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 14:45:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bravo, Bull, you devil, you so funny man...
Craig and RJ, let's get with it boys, no time like the present and we ain't gettin any younger. Let's do this before I toddle off into serious antiquity.
Our dear and esteemed Alan will be flying in for the two shows from Downunder, this man has to be the best Steely Dan fan worldwide. Yeah, c'mon, if you lived in CA, wouldn't you blow off everything to see the Dan in Jan? This guy does it from half a world away. An inspiration. Hey, the moving finger writes and having writ moves on and writes no more or some junk like dat.
Brainiac, it's....Dirty Work. The first lope and still a very catchy tune. I loved the disguised intro the boys gave us 6 years ago. When I finally parsed it out that first night, it made me feel like a kid again, forget Kodak moments, it's when you get re-connected with something long lost and buried that you feel like a kid again. It's really important to remember when you were young cause you're still young, you'll always be young as long as you want. But you have to want to. OK, Hallmark moment over.
I was listening to CBAT. I never do anymore but Brainiac's questions spurred a little stroll down memory lane. This album is TIGHT. They came out of the box with a fully-realized idea of what they wanted to sound like. They should really play these songs, they sound fresh. Maybe it's the cleaned up mix but I was very impressed by the quality of the sound and of course, some great choices, as always.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 13:07:54 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Thanks Bullgoose- you have saved me a trip to my own local ENT guy.
And now I won't feel too bad anymore about not being able to hear the cellphone ring my kids tease me about-- the one that's only audible to adolescents and under....... little monsters.......
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 12:42:36 ET
Posted by: hoops,
D-G. Thanks for the correction on Baxter's birthday. When I googled, I saw some articles, dated 12/6 but overlooked that it said the following Wedenesday, December 13.
I don't follow the bit about the bullets...please let's talk off line about that part and I will see what I can do.Thanks!
jim
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 12:16:53 ET
Posted by: Bob,
df - I believe you're are wrong. Either way, I have 3 words for you:
MORPH THE CAT!
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 12:09:53 ET
Posted by: df,
This review is right on I believe.
Review by Daniel Gioffre
Donald Fagen's second solo album is a song cycle of sorts, following the adventures of an imaginary protagonist as he travels the world in his car, a brand-new Kamakiri. It is an odd concept, and one that is not obvious to the listener, but reflection upon Fagen's liner notes while listening to the album does tend to evoke a vision of a non-apocalyptic near future, where swingers sip cocktails and fresh vegetable juices as they groove to synthesized jazz-rock. Evocative or not, this is not Fagen's best effort. The songs on Kamakiriad are mainly static one-chord vamps, with little of the interesting off-beat hits or chord changes that characterized most of Steely Dan's corpus (although, it must be said, Two Against Nature isn't too far conceptually from what Fagen is doing here). There is a slightly antiseptic feeling to Kamakiriad. Although the drum tracks are not synthesized, they sure sound that way, and even the horns sound electronic at times, a far cry from the lush arrangements of Aja. Another shortcoming of this record is the fact that the verse melodies don't sound very developed. The choruses are as catchy and cryptic as you would expect from Donald Fagen, but the verses are less than memorable. Walter Becker, who produced the record, as well as contributing bass and guitar, also co-wrote "Snowbound." Perhaps not surprisingly, it does the best job at evoking classic Steely Dan. Kamakiriad is pleasant as background music, but in the end it doesn't provide enough interesting moments to rank as a must-have. The static grooves, coupled with the long song lengths, and general lack of dynamic movement makes this record one of the least essential of Fagen's recorded output. However, Steely Dan completists will certainly find enough here to keep them happy
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 11:50:46 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
...and I meant Answers.com, not About.com, but you probably figured that out from the URL.
Brain... still... not working... today. Must... get... smarter.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 11:46:04 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Those bullets were blanks
Hmmm, those funky intro characters were supposed to be "bullets," but they turned out to be duds once I hit the "Sign Guestbook" button. I thought I'd done'em before and they worked. Shoulda just went with the ol' dashes or asterisks or somethin' simple. Sorry 'bout that. (Maybe Hoops'll clean it up??? If you do, thanks!) But it shouldn't be too hard to make sense of it anyway...
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 11:39:40 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Speaking of the "Skunk" I took the opportunity to Google some info and came up with some halfway interesting pages:
œ His birthday is listed as December 13th (tomorrow, so HAPPY BIRTHDAY "SKUNK"!) on this page which lists quite a few "obscure celebrities" (not that Mr. Baxter himself is obscure, mind you)...
http://www.townhall.com/News/NewsArticle.aspx?contentGUID=45834c09-0e45-4c9d-9e77-63188f6d2a66
œ About.com has some bio and then shows his Wikipedia entry...
http://www.answers.com/topic/jeff-baxter
œ IMDb...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0062749/
œ An archive of his columns...
http://www.strike-the-root.com/archive/baxter.html
œ Another bio page at RockForever...
http://www.rockforever.com/singers/baxter/baxter.html
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 11:22:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Jeff Baxter turned 58 last Wednesday.
THANK YOU for the "quality control" RJ Sq. and Aerial View--Good work. Removed simply so as not to perpetuate the B.S.--Please email me if you think that's not right.
jim
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 11:09:47 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Sax and drugs and rock and roll...
are very good indeed.
Ann,
Also Florida Room and Countermoon for sax solos. The first a big band sounding swing and the latter a staccato, stuttering counterpoint to the rolling melody.
And someone earlier mentioned Black Cow and Tom Scott and I always wondered why they never worked with Tom Scott again after the massive success of Aja. As arranger and player on AJA what's not to like? Too LA sounding? And what's with this Scott "no mention" in Wikipedia under Steely Dan:
The 1977 release of their sixth LP, the jazz-oriented Aja, saw Becker and Fagen using the services of top-notch jazz, jazz-rock and soul musicians including Larry Carlton, Wayne Shorter, Steve Gadd, and Chuck Rainey
Would you care to explainnnnnnnnn???
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 10:06:00 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, NYC
...I had the wonderful fortune to see Rikki Lee Jones debut some new material last night at Makor; music from her new record...
Also in attendance and in my immediate circle were Daily News music critic Jim Farber, Keith Carlock, Lynne Timmes and Melissa Hamilton...
RLJ performed a few ballads - perhaps too many - but occasionally rocked the house with her young band...if you have a chance to check out WFUV, listen for Rikki's new material, which will be featured there on Thursday...
audi and out,
ygk
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 08:59:28 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Brain: Time Out of Mind
Bull: Yep, a foghorn (leghorn)...then the proverbial waves washing the shore in the outtro...luv On the Dunes - Chris Parker make the song shimmer.
....BRILLIANT!!
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 03:31:46 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey Mer
Yes the foghorn is there in On The Dunes. In order to rule out tinnitus, I paid top dollar to a hyper-credentialled ear nose and throat quack, who, once in possession of my Oxford scholars, subjected me to a battery of tests, some of which actually involved batteries and bulldog clips in all the wrong places. The champion bullgoose procedure was the Cat Smear, a hellish test combining all the most demeaning features of a Cat Scan and, alarmingly for a man, a Pap Smear.
Apparently the gilded practitioner was on the lookout for Semi Lunar Stentorism: a dread disease affecting musicians and aesthetes. In the most advanced cases this aural blight
produces the sound of a baritone sax and steel guitar when the sufferer is listening to a Mozart clarinet quintet; yodelling in plainsong, doof behind Tete Montoliu, and, most alarmingly, the distinctive twang of Donald Rumsfeld farting if he/she spins a Steely Dan disk.
In the end, diagnosis was relatively simple. The doctor, who I'll call Doctor Mu, but whose real name is Dr. Shirley Sydenham Twank, bade me listen to The Young Person's Guide To The Orchestra and identify individual instruments. He then added up the instruments I located and, coming up with 120, declared me free from, and immune to, any extant aural poxes.
By way of a treat and celebration, I span/spun/played On The Dunes, and confirmed my long-held belief that, in the second playing of the bridge, ('pretty boats') there is a long, low note on the tonic, played by synth or alpenhorn, that simulates, evokes or alludes to a fog horn.
Sorry for the delay.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 02:02:00 ET
Posted by: From keithcarlock newsletter,
"Speaking of Zildjian, I will be doing a live online chat today - Tuesday December 12th - at 8pm EST. Details can be found below and at zildjian.com. Check it out."
So now you know.
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 01:22:56 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - still chilling!
Wow!!! Great suggestions! Thanks everyone! I'm up to 19 tracks now. This will have to be a double album!!
This will have to be played as my SD Christmas Compilation too (as we're never likely to get a SD Christmas album!!....something akin to hell freezing over.....but the Eagles have already done that one!!)
Peace out
Ann
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 01:15:56 ET
Posted by: Sexy, Saxy, Sassy,
Oh, and Slang of Ages
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 00:48:10 ET
Posted by: Sexy Saxy Sassy,
Monkey In Your Soul
Pixeleen
Date: Tues, December 12, 2006, 00:29:14 ET
Posted by: saxophones,
Ann
Don't forget Fagen himself playing alto saxophone on East St. Louis Toodle-oo. No improvised solo, but nice edgy sound.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:55:29 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Ann:
How about the title cuts from both "Gaucho" and "EMG"? These might be a nice contrast with some of the more lively works already suggested.
GW
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:47:51 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood
Bob, Keith Carlock is with Steely Dan on the 19th at Santa Ynez, not the 6th of February. You read it wrong. He's with Rudder at Fontanas on that date.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:45:22 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood
Bob, Keith Carlock is with Steely Dan on the 19th at Santa Ynez, not the 6th of February. You read it wrong.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:43:21 ET
Posted by: Art Pepper,
I'm thinking "Boston Rag" for that tune that lopes and pre-dates "Jack of Speed".
Similar subject matter as well.
Boy wasn't THAT a great opener a few years ago on tour?
Chills just thinking about it.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:39:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
"Continuing on the "Jack of Speed" theme, from what Old Testament SD song is "Jack" and "Century's End" most likely derived?"
"Home at Last" was a good guess, and was fairly close. Hold that thought because there will be a question forthcoming for that song.
"Jack of Speed" and "Century" descended from? Still no takers.
HINTS: This song contained the first prominent usage of the "lope"
in SD history. Some consider it Divine, but in reality it is rather Bovine.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:30:28 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Any major goof
Just got the latest Dandom Digest (which no doubt Hoops will be alerting folks of here in due time) and in it he mentions that the latest SD newsletter had info about the second show that has been added (or is it "first date" since it's actually prior to the known Santa Ynez show?). In fact I posted the text of the newsletter here, but when I did so I intro'd it by saying:
"Here are the pertinent bits, but it's not anything that people who visit here didn't already know..."
MAJOR, MAJOR GOOF ON MY PART! How come no one called me on it??? I hope my little faux pas didn't make others overlook it too. Apparently I just glanced through it too quick and failed to notice the second show.
Not that it's anywhere that I personally would be able to attend, but still that was major news and I sorta blew it. I'm gonna go set myself in a corner now for an hour and then go to bed with no supper...
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 23:09:12 ET
Posted by: SS, White Haze
Ann, you can add Janie Runaway to the sax collection.
Also, On the Dunes...of course Aja, ....the back end of Black Cow has a Tom Scott solo...the live,later versions of Boddhistava have saxes instead of guitars in spots...Parkers Band...Gaslighting Abby. There are a lot.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 22:51:15 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Raj: On Aja, note how Dias' solos ascend and then Carlton's rhythm guitar descends with the keyboards...like climbing Up On the Hill, then Falling Down...and breaking your crown...
At the edn of each Dias run there's a little denoument section before the sax solo for instance that reminds me of True Companion a bit.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 22:29:15 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, .
Any seating charts for Table Mountain? Rajah, Craig B, both dates for you two? Chumash for sure, trying to figure out Table Mountain.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 22:04:45 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo and chilling!
SAX TRACKS:
Thanks to all who have contributed their ideas (miss you too LWO)
So far I've got:
Deacon Blues, West of Hollywood, Dr Wu, FM, Caves of Altamira, Maxine, Boston Rag (Live).
I'm hoping to do around 12 tracks......so anyone have any more ideas??
Otherwise, the Off-Spring will just have to sit down and listen to every track....what a punishment!! That'll wipe the smirky "I have better musical taste than you" look off her face!! Poor, abused (misguided) child!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 21:36:38 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Ann,
How about the live version of Boston Rag on the SD Archive. Not great quality but damn that sax intro from I think Cornelius B. is awesome. But then, TVN 2000 was the greatest tour SD ever did. And the players were the best assembled to date.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 21:17:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Know-it-All I do it so geniuses like you can correct me.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 18:21:00 ET
Posted by: Reverend Ike,
Somebody stand by the stage and get me some upskirt shots willya?
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 18:13:46 ET
Posted by: A Friend,
FREE RICKIE LEE JONES SHOW TONIGHT IN NYC
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This announcement will go out to Rickie's general mailing list in one hour.
Thank you
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Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 17:13:15 ET
Posted by: saxophonic,
Ann -
Phil Woods alto on Dr. Wu - wonderful.
John Klemmer tenor on Caves of Altamira.
Michael Brecker tenor on Fagen's Maxine.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 17:07:06 ET
Posted by: Mr Know, - It all
Rajah- There you go again. Stating things as fact. Haven't you learned your lesson by now?
BTW- Weckel could handle the SD gig with his eyes closed.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 15:08:18 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Ann!
FM has some great sax parts. I recommend the extended version (there's an edited one that gets played on the radio but the full version off the soundtrack has the full on sax at the end). Aja is good too.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 14:41:20 ET
Posted by: Raj,
Weckl, sure, I mean there's lots of great drummers but the question becomes whom is the most familiar with their canon? Steely Dan with Antonio Sanchez? We can dream, I guess.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 14:26:45 ET
Posted by: DWB, ...
http://www.myspace.com/officialwalterbecker
maybe i didn't scroll back enough, but are you aware there's 2 dates now????
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 14:26:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
OK, Ricky Lawson too. Bernard? Mmmm...he certainly wouldn't embarass himself. OK, there are probably a dozen guys in NYC and LA who could pull it off I suppose.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 14:22:51 ET
Posted by: Modern Drummer Magazine, My Space
Well on Keith's My Space Page we see Dave Weckl is in his Top Friends. Since Modern Drummer voted Weckl in the Top 25 Drummers of All Time, ya think he might be able to handle a Steely Dan gig?
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 14:15:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
No way they can perform live at this point sans Carlock. Only Vinnie or Steve Gadd could fill that chair in a pinch. There are 55 Indian casinos in California. If there are more shows, they'd have to be prior to the 17 January.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 13:24:48 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Chris -Who says they're going to keep the band out there from the 19th to the 6th?
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 13:24:26 ET
Posted by: angel,
Well, I guess I am not the first night of the tour. :-)
--
Things that remind me of another. Royal Scam and Godwacker, with that guitar repeating a rif stuff in the backround.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 13:21:58 ET
Posted by: ,
Relax, that was a type-o
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 12:59:33 ET
Posted by: w/ STEELY DAN in Santa Ynez, CA Santa Ynez, California Feb 6 2007 9:00P , w/ STEELY DAN in Santa Ynez, CA Santa Ynez, California Feb 6 2007 9:00P
?
w/ STEELY DAN in Santa Ynez, CA Santa Ynez, California Feb 6 2007 9:00P
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 12:50:20 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
bob, there is plenty of space between the 19th of jan and the 6th of feb. my guess would be more west coast indian reservation casino dates; i doubt they'd keep everyone out there in a hotel from the 19th to the 6th doing nothing, and flying 12 people there and back twice seems like it would get costly, although i certainly have no understanding of how to plan a tour.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 12:29:06 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, roll with it
Ann,
These sax solos make these songs two of my all time favs: WOH and (please play) Dr. Wu.
Missed you, chica!
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 12:26:18 ET
Posted by: Fife, getting pickled
MMM those NY dates leave a few gaps for Dan shows on the East Coast. I'm I being too optimistic? Shall I lay down my chips and make a bet? I'm crossing my fingers, placing my bet(please let it be a jack!!) and praying to the Dan Gods.
Don and Walt fair of face
make the East Coast the next place
We the masses
all we ask is
We get to hear your knarly pace.
(sorry couldn't help myself)
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 12:06:52 ET
Posted by: Bob,
This is Keith Carlock's schedule for Jan/Feb 2007. I guess this means that if SD is going to add more shows they'll have to use another drummer.
w/ STEELY DAN in Friant, CA Friant, California Jan 19 2007 8:00P
w/ STEELY DAN in Santa Ynez, CA Santa Ynez, California Feb 6 2007 9:00P
w/ RUDDER @ Fontana's in NYC! New York, New York Feb 15 2007 7:00P
MASTERCLASS @ THE COLLECTIVE in NYC New York, New York Feb 22 2007 8:00P
The Big Bang Festival - Holland Eindhoven Feb 23 2007 8:00P
The Big Bang Festival - Holland Rotterdam Feb 24 2007 8:00P
The Big Bang Festival - Holland Utrecht Feb 25 2007 8:00P
The Big Bang Festival - Holland Enschede Feb 26 2007 8:00P
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 11:58:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
There is that little bit in there after the choruses of each tune where there's a little ascending and descending arpeggiated piano stuff in Dude and in Caves it's done by the horns. Right after "any major dude will te-e-e-ell you, any major dude will tell ya..." And in Caves the brass after, "for you and me to be understood."
But my favorite use of this little trick is the fabulous crescendo and decrescendo on the saxes after each musical interlude on Aja. You know those bits? Four notes up and four notes down really quick in the back of the mix? The effect it has on a song is that it's a neat way of cleaning the slate or clearing the palate, so to speak, it leaves a very nice rest in its wake.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 11:46:06 ET
Posted by: b, o
SS - Very true. From whatI heard, the Pechanga casino show was the best on the whole DF tour!
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 11:43:24 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
BEST SAX TRACKS NEEDED:
Greetings Dannies....missed you all so much in the last few weeks,as my work load became a bit impossible, but the Christmas hols are upon us, so it's time to chill!! Currently a metaphorical shade of green, as I won't be one of the lucky ones making the pilgrimage to California.......but my day will come, no doubt.
Now, to digress from the current themes, I need a bit of advice from you experts out there. A sax-playing former school chum of the Off-Spring, who is aware of my musical obsession with our heroes, has recently told me that he heard "Rikki..." and he thought it was "All right" (a major compliment from an 18 year old expat Brit, I would say). Anyway, I told him I would put together a compilation of Dan tracks with good sax solos in them for him, and he actually smiled in appreciation. So, give me your opinions....apart from Deacon Blues, which Dan/Fagen/Becker tracks have the best sax solos in them?
I do have a hidden agenda here, because the Off-Spring just smirked when I told her of my plan (she still hasn't been converted to the fold), so when I have a list of great sax tracks, it will be her vacation job to sit and listen to them and compile it all. Hopefully, subliminally, the message will get through to her and she'll "get it" eventually!!
One can but hope that one day she will be standing next to me at a Dannie show.......dream on.......
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 11:17:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,
Brain: Doesn't sound close to me. I'll work completely out on the keyboard tonight.
BUT for example
"In the morning it won't be..." is SAME NOTE for first 4, then ascending for "won't" then back for "be"
In contrast,
"Could it be this sad design" is composed of SIX DIFFERENT NOTES - a couplet really. The notes are from two sequential CHORDS. For each 3 note chords, the melody line descends from frist to second to third note::
Chord 1: "could it be"
Chord 2: (lower than chord 1 - could be a mu chord) "this sad design." I'm not a good enough musician to identify the chords from my head, but will do so on our Yamaha keyboard tonight.
Bottom line is there's nothing in the melodic construction of the themes listed that indicates they are similar mathematically. They both sound like Dan/Fagen, but sorry, hat's about it.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 10:35:20 ET
Posted by: DWB, here
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Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 10:13:00 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
DOC MU-There is the recurrent melody from when Donald sings "In the morning it won't be there nooo more, Any Major Dude will tell a-yoooo" followed by piano cords, also recurrent in the verses of caves, such as when he sings "Could it be this sad design...... A wooly man without a face and and a beast without a name". Choruses are definitely different. What is with that recurrent snippet, no doubt present?
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 09:42:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
I guess these guys (SD) know that we will drop everything an rush to see them
Must be a new marketing tool - no notice.
I'm in.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 09:41:31 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Brain: uhhhh...the "powerful" horns on Caves ARE the verse melodies recapitulated. Besides for the STYLE of melody lines typical in many of the early Steely Dan, I frankly don't hear ANY chord progressions in common betseen Dud and Caves. Caves is characterized by descending heavy jazz slut chords. Chords played on acoustic guitar on Dude are ascending between each line of the chorus. There's a riplet set of chords that's ascending then descening during the line "when the demon is at your door."
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 09:22:52 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Big Fan..DF was great in Vegas at the Hard Rock, some say better at the Pechanga casino in southern California the next night at a top notch venue.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 08:57:15 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - Merry Christmas
So what are the chances that all of the shows are at casinos. What's everyone’s opinion of shows at casinos - Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods in Connecticut, AC, Las Vegas, the one they played last year near Seattle - where else besides those already announced?
I haven't been to a show at a casino in Las Vegas - but by all accounts they have been bad.
I have been to one at Mohegan Sun - terrible venue - sounds awful, crowd rolls in late (and I do mean rolls) - best seats are held back by the casino as comps for high rollers who couldn't care less who is playing - and ticket prices at the casinos seem to be higher than at general venues.
Just curious what the general consensus is?
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 08:01:50 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
This here was in the Launch Radio morning prep stuff today:
STEELY DAN TO TOUR IN EARLY '07
Steely Dan is beginning to announce shows for the early part of 2007. So far, their Heavy Rollers tour is booked into two Native American-owned casinos in California -- the Table Mountain Casino in Friant, and the Chumash Casino in Santa Ynez. It's a fair bet that more shows will be confirmed, since they're using the same 10-piece band that backed them over the summer on the road with Michael McDonald. Just like at any table, the dealers -- in this case, guitarist-bassist Walter Becker and singer-keyboardist Donald Fagen -- will turn over more cards when the time is right.
Date: Mon, December 11, 2006, 00:15:49 ET
Posted by: me, in here
Alan, I'm in the Green
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 23:43:42 ET
Posted by: Kimbright, lurking about
Is "Home at Last" the tune you're looking for? I get a very similar tempo and tone from "Jack of Speed."
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 23:30:15 ET
Posted by: murph, a cat
IGY horn theme feels like Jack of Speed head.
Cowboys are being demolished. cool.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 23:24:45 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Yes.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 23:09:19 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
B. Surgeon: That is a virtual certainty! lol What do you think is the correct answer, though?
Dr Hoo: Let me ask, are you talking mainly the central instrumental portion of TBTLO, not sure, or the backbeat/melody during the verse, for which I do see a resemblance.
The trombone parts of Pretzel resonate in JoS, for me.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 22:55:24 ET
Posted by: me, here
What A Shame About Me = I Can't Function.
Babylon Sisters recalls Haitian Divorce. Glamour Profession, The Fez. My Rival, Josie.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 22:16:39 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Didn't hear the TBTLO connection, huh?
Also hear shades of Night by Night and Pretzel Logic in JoS.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 22:06:13 ET
Posted by: Brain Surgeon, frontal lobotomy
Brain Strainer - In the level of boredom I'd give you a 7. In the level of being a pompous ass, I'd give you a 10.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 21:32:58 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
"Continuing on the "Jack of Speed" theme, from what Old Testament SD song is "Jack" most likely derived?"
No one has gotten it yet.
HINT: This song contained the first prominent usage of the "lope"
in SD history
An Anonymous poster got the correct answer "Any Major Dude" as being inspired by "Fire In the Hole". "Dude" shows up later in "Caves of Altamira" in the verse and transition melodies but is obscured by the powerful horns used on "Caves" such as in its Outro which would lead most listeners away from detecting the "Dude" derivation. If in fact Caves was written first, as DOC MU suggested, then the derivation is obviously reversed.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 18:43:34 ET
Posted by: Aerial View, Looking high, looking low
Well, I use IE6 and the pics are save-able as jpgs or bmps.
If nothing else, you might want to try saving as bmp and then use whatever image editing software you might have to open it and "save as" in the jpg format. Not the ideal solution, but it might serve the purpose for now.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 17:29:10 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Janie, I'm using Firefox and having no trouble saving those pictures. If you're on IE or something, try Mozilla...
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 14:56:29 ET
Posted by: Ticket prices, at the casinos
Why the big difference in ticket prices?
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 14:55:25 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Raj: Exactly. Both JoS and Morph title track have that rock-Swing, Ray Charles kinda Thing that Fagen just lo-hi grooves. Bob ya head at a 45° angle. imagine the JoS horns over the Morph groove before the first verse. Seamless.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 14:19:32 ET
Posted by: Runaway Janie, Chicago
When trying to right click and select one of WB's pictures to "save picture as" to "my pictures" and attempting to open it I get "no preview available". Does anyone know how retify this?
Also my only 2 options to save are as "ART" or "Bitmap". Is something wrong here?
Janie
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 14:14:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Mona too, got that little dipsy-doo in there.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 13:54:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Brainiac - I can't contain myself anymore, it's Morph the Cat that next reminds me of Jack of Speed. Different empahases on the rhythm, although the time signatures are probably the same. It's that little "strut," aka the "lope," so indigenous to Donald's song construction. Where the fuck did he get that western influence, and I mean western US influence? Donald must have been a fan of Merle Haggard or Eddy Arnold or Hank Williams in an earlier incarnation. He's a NYC boy but he has sooo many tinges of the Old West in his offerings. Wild, the original NYC Jewish Cowboy. He's a national treasure that boy...
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 13:19:06 ET
Posted by: Any Major Dude Will,, Show you to the Caves
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 13:18:19 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Accidentally hit the return key resulting in that empty post. Oops.
Anyway, what I was gonna say was that I received an actual SD newletter early this morning (timestamped 4:26 AM). Just thought I'd mention it so that others can also check for it. If you're signed up for the newsletter, but didn't receive it, you may want to check spam filters for your ISP and such. Or try to resubscribe.
I didn't notice that anyone else mentioned it yet, so I just wanted to throw it out there.
Here are the pertinent bits, but it's not anything that people who visit here didn't already know...
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Steely Dan Newsletter: Issue #28
December 10, 2006
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Steely Dan Live in 2007
Jan 17 2007
- Table Mountain Rancheria Casino
- Friant, CA
- on sale 12/18
Jan 19 2007
- Chumash Casino
- Santa Ynez, CA
- on sale now
Double down and visit
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for links to buy tickets and venue information
And the band?
The same winning hand from 2006:
see
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Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 13:14:25 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Brain wrote: "Do you suggest that "Caves" was not derived, at least in part from any earlier Dan work?"
Caves is one of the *first* things DF and WB wrote...a demo can be found on those Sum Mountain/Early Dan compilations. Ergo it may influence later Dan recordings insteqad of the other way around.
An interesting game would be to use the Early Dan or Katy Lied and Gaucho outtakes as templates. D&W were know for Throwing Back the Little ones and pan-frying the big ones.
Anybody hear a similatrity in swing between the rolling Rhodes of Morph the Cat title track 9after tha bass intro) and the nadir of the horn theme of JoS???
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 13:10:21 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 11:55:35 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
First thing that pops into my head is...
Throw Back the Little Ones?
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 11:22:06 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Steely Doc
Love to see WB smiling
spell check Holley
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 11:14:18 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
...don't know if anyone mentioned this, but there's a new photo gallery on WB's site:
http://www.walterbecker.com/galleryA.html
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 11:00:48 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Continuing on the "Jack of Speed" theme, from what Old Testament SD song is "Jack" most likely derived?
This question has a difficulty level of 4.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 10:56:11 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
DR HOO was the first to provide the correct answer "Century's End" for the song from which "Jack of Speed" seems most closely derived. Hard to tell whether or not people were thrown off by restricting their thinking to the 3 solo Fagen records and flat-out forgot about Century's End, a 1988 contribution to the movie sound track "Bright Lights, Big City", Fagen's "FM" if you will.
RAJAH was way cool for holding off, but now we might have to put similar time restrictions on DR HOO! As Glen Frey once said "There's a new kid in Town".
FLIPPY- Not having prior knowledge of the first Winwood solo record (1977)which contains "Hold On" but having known about "Holding On" mid 80's at the height of his popularity which sounds nothing like Century's End I was confounded. I found a 30 second clip of "Hold On" and agree it seems similar.
DR HOO--Pablo Cruise-yes, could very well be Dan-influenced. Lots of people like them both. Pablo also has a Grand Funk RR influence, I believe. Check out "A Place in the Sun" by Pablo.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 09:55:27 ET
Posted by: Flippy, left
Once again, I'm not saying D + W ripped the Winwood song at all, I doubt they've ever heard it. And the Winwood song bears little resemblance to the uptempo JoS version Walter sang.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 09:40:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Rajah
I need those Holly Carbs I lent you back for my El Camino
Maybe a SO Cal Casino Tour upcoming
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 09:19:09 ET
Posted by: Love the concept of the casino tour!, Now if they would only play Dr. Wu
All would be right in the world.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 09:13:41 ET
Posted by: Harold Land, Dead
Grooveyard, dig? You know - one dem 40 jazz albums DF say he listen 2 ovah and ovah?
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 08:44:48 ET
Posted by: DF, Chief Composer/Arranger
Physiognomy -
Yes those two that you mentioned and then another one called character.
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Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 03:29:24 ET
Posted by: suedave, out there
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Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 02:00:09 ET
Posted by: Harold Land?,
Not sure what sax piece or song you are talking about but
Harold Land died in July 2001.
EMG in "creative" stages 2001-2002, released in 2003
The coast was clear. Opportunity for a possible rip was there.
I can definitely see your point.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 01:18:08 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Hey Brain Strainer:
Since you mentioned copping from outside the SD tribe, what do you think about this:
I've often thought that Pablo Cruise's "Love Will Find a Way" owes a bit to SD for the electric piano and guitar solo timbres. I'm only familiar with the hits they had on the radio, but I'm pretty sure they listened to Don and Walt and picked up some sounds.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 01:06:45 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Yeah, but would you prefer a Clear Channel venue with 15,000 (or more) people? I know that I would not. This is a chance of a lifetime. At least for me.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 01:03:13 ET
Posted by: gauchoamigo, North Hollywood
Sounds like this will be Indian Casino in the middle of nowhere tour. And you're feeling lucky if you can find the place. But I'll be there. Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 00:47:58 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
HBO is showing "Sideways" right now, and it reminds me of how beautiful the Santa Ynez Valley is. The Hitching Post restaurant, which Rajah mentioned as a place for a good meal, is featured heavily in the movie. If you are on the fence about attending this show, and haven't seen this movie yet, watch it, and it will give you a good idea of why you want to be here for the show ; )
Date: Sun, December 10, 2006, 00:40:21 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Ah yes, beautiful Friant, California. Go for the music, stay for the ambience!
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 23:58:55 ET
Posted by: walaka, @middle of nowwhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friant,_California
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 23:31:20 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Brain Strainer ~
Royal Scam. A little slower, but a lot of similarities.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 23:12:23 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Heavy Rollers 2007 Tour. Wow. They must really dig the Indian Casino vibe. You folks must have impressed them at Soboba! Table Mountain, another small venue, with no links to Clear Channel, and at about half the price of Santa Ynez. Cool. I wonder what else they are going to add to this tour. I've got tickets to Santa Ynez, about 4 hours from home. Now this one is added, about 3 1/2 hours from home. I have the time off in January, but may have a family committment sometime between January 15-23, which won't be decided until the last minute, so I'm not sure if I should jump on the tickets for this one. What a happy dilemma! Steely Dan Winter Tour 2007. Incredible. Makes up for all of the sh!t I have been going through lately.
I was watching big waves on the Pacific Ocean earlier today, stirred up by our first real winter storm here in the Monterey Bay. They are calling for possible thunderstorms this evening and I'm ready. Lightning and Steely Dan, two of my favorite things. The outdoor Tahoe show from a few years back remains as one of my best lifetime experiences. Huge storm before the show, beautiful weather during the gig. What more can you ask for?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 23:08:45 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
And...if it really is a California native casino tour...there are open dates around that time at the Pechanga theatre in Temecula.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 23:05:27 ET
Posted by: FLippy, willy
Brain -- take a listen to "Hold On," it sounds WAY more like JoS than "Century's End." And it was on Winwood's first solo album, which I think came out in 77 or 78.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 22:59:22 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF
Table Mountain:
on the website, there is a virtual tour of the bingo room:
http://www.tmcasino.com/bingo.html
The real deal, I am already loving this.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 22:45:37 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Century's End = JoS.
I do hear traces of Green Flower St and Goodbye Look, but the '96 live version of JoS had a groove that could really have a link to Century's End.
Odd thing is, I love JoS, while CE is one of my least fave DF tunes.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 21:21:03 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
DOC MU- Were you trying to answer the "Fire in the Hole" question or the Jack of Speed? If you had to pin it down, what is the one song you would pick from which JoS was derived (Fagen body of work)?
Do you suggest that "Caves" was not derived, at least in part from any earlier Dan work?
RAJAH-I'm thinking you might want to hold off till tomorrow, if you think you have THE answer for "Jack". Some heavy hitters on the Blue might have been busy today. Its up to you. Some people are coming out with some interesting connections, though.
ALKALI or DR HOO probably won't get on until Monday, for example.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 21:10:56 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
More info on second show:
Steely Dan
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
VIP $75
Reserved $65
General Admission $55
$5 discount with Club Card
$10 discount with the Platinum Tier Card
Doors open at 7pm
Show begins at 8pm
Must be 18 years and older to attend
No video, cameras or refunds
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 21:09:18 ET
Posted by: Brain Painer, Stem cell in your skull
What song by saxophonist Harold Land is Lunch With Gina ripped off from?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 20:25:19 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,
BA: Caves dates back waaaaayyyy before Dan began. It would be the deriver rather than the derivee.
Th only real ripoff I hear in chord and melody progression is the end of each verse on the EMG title track which is note for note part of the verse of Big Noise New York.
Second Arrangement and The Nightfly are close
IGY and JoS is definitely a reach...
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 19:12:39 ET
Posted by: Physiognomy?,
Do you mean how it is He who sits front and center on on the stage that makes Him the Principal Protagononist of Steely Dan?
Or by virtue, moreso than Becker, of his Protruding Proboscis?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 19:08:34 ET
Posted by: Redux,
That's 20 to 25 miles NE of Fresno.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 19:07:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Google Earth
Table Mountain Casino is approx 2-25 miles northeast of Fresno. Fresno has an airport. No hotel, you'd have to stay in Fresno. They'll be playing in the Bingo Hall, 1200 seats, it does have a stage.
I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:32:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah, can the El Camino make it
How 'bout Drain, Oregon?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:27:36 ET
Posted by: You Know,
I'm holding out for Laramie, Wyoming...
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:25:20 ET
Posted by: DF, He's the leader of the band that's made for you and me
Judging physiognomy-wise, who do you think looks like they wrote most of the most memorable and enduring SD MUSIC?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:21:07 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
here's the link for tix:
http://ticketing.tmcasino.com/
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:19:50 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
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Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 18:07:03 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
I would agree some pieces of "Maxine" are in there, although that song, with its slow tempo overall probably gave rise to "On the Dunes", which came much later.
The comment about Steve W. is interesting. As a bluesy Brit, even going back to his Spencer Davis Group days in the 60's he predates the Dan enough to have had influence, as well as the song "Hold On as a solo act in the mid 1980's, which would have preceded "Jack of Speed".
At some point there could be some questions coming up about derivations outside of the Fagen/Becker/SD catalogue (there are quite a few, BTW) but those types of questions get up into the 8 or 9 range and further into the realm of subjectivity. But they are certainly worth discussing.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 17:08:47 ET
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Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 16:27:57 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
I hear echoes of 'Maxine' in 'Jack of Speed'.........?
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 16:14:26 ET
Posted by: Rippy, here
Brain Strainer, not sure about the Fagen rip, but the song is a HUGE rip off (though they've probably never heard this track) of "Hold On" by Steve Winwood.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 15:53:29 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
IGY is an excellent answer, and it is the first Fagen-only effort from which "Jack of Speed" is derived. But there are others, the one in particular yet among them.
Difficulty level of this question is a 7.
Rajah is hereby asked, if he would, with due respect, to hold off a bit maybe until about 9:00 PST since he will probably give the answer. Thanks, Raj.
Others in Dandom, now's your chance.
Could possibly, but not definitely receive show tickets for two to Chumash! Unfortunately, you will have to get there. LOL.
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 14:14:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
IGY, natch. The famous, "lope."
The both of them remind me of "Rollin Along with the Tumblin' Tumbleweeds."
Date: Sat, December 09, 2006, 14:08:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Speaking of "Jack of Speed", from what song of the Fagen released body of work is that song a near definite rip?
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 22:19:58 ET
Posted by: walaka, @undecided
undecided
is the answer
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 20:55:31 ET
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Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 19:16:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
The first one to come up with the correct answer "Lunch With Gina", the 8th track on the EMG record, for the New Testament song derived fron "Green Earrings" was DR HOO.
Alkali was also correct, but once again was beaten out by a person from a later time zone. But he made up for it with a smokin' article about the influences of obscure SD Tunes.
Nobody as of YET has gotten the Old Testament tune closely derived from "Fire in the Hole", which was of greater notoriety than "Throw Back the Little Ones".
ANOTHER HINT: The song in question also also has portions from which the song "Caves of Altimira" was derived.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 19:09:31 ET
Posted by: walaka, @p.com
I was in Paris
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 17:58:41 ET
Posted by: a dog a panic in a pagoda, .
The demo of Black Cow definitely is kind of fire in the holish.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 16:39:50 ET
Posted by: Henny Youngman,
Funny, so was I!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 16:27:33 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
December 8, 1980. I was in... the womb.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 14:57:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It was either an out of gas John Denver or a crack-pipe smokin Ricky Nelson. I'm going with the Rocky Mtn High guy for two-hundred, Alex.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 14:44:15 ET
Posted by: me, here
Which of Hal Blaine's greatest hits collaborators is this?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X09045&key=1
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 14:42:15 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Alkali,
I've been trying to find a soundbite of Sanpaiku. If you come across one, please post the location. I can find lyrics, but no sounds.
Have a great trip!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 14:26:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
dg - I'd heard very unsubstantiated 5th hand rumors for months that they were definitely touring once again in Summer 07. This Chumash show was booked about 3 weeks before it was announced which would put that date around Halloween (I wheedled that out of the box office manager at the Casino) cause they announced it on the Steely Dan website on Monday the 20th and they went on sale on the 21st. 24 hours notice, that has to be a first. Guy at the box office told me it was a very bang-bang thing as far as how these shows are normally arranged and that the date just seemed to work out for everyone involved. TicketBastard is not involved in the online sale nor is the demonic empire otherwise known as Clear Channel. And no, there are no curfews or restrictions on Indian casinos other than the ones they themselves impose.
As for more winter casino shows, I'm kinda begining to really doubt it now unless they have others booked and are not announcing them like this Chumash show until the last minute. But it seems unlikely. A tour needs some promotion after all. It's a 12 piece band, they ain't cheap and the tickets ain't cheap.
Plus one final thing, there has been zero newspaper coverage of this show. Little blurbs but no interviews. They always do interviews. It's like they don't want anyone to know except the hard-up cases. Now that I come to think of it, that's a huge mad prop to us, a real compliment and I appreciate it. Thank you boyz, now all we have to do is give Don and Walt a show in return that they will remember for this New Years and many more to come. I believe a grandiose display of appreciation is in order here. Maybe I will wear that Chumash loin cloth.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 13:59:24 ET
Posted by: Doctor Mu, Plentiov, Java
Brain: Dunno, but Jack of Speed has that Kid C/GE/Royal Scam feel
The chord progressions in Second Arrangement (following the chorus) were certainly emulated in the title track of the Nightfly (Late line. 'til the sun comes through the skylight)
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 13:38:48 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC wiggy pad
Well kids, Happy Friday!
The wife is up in Connecticut saying goodbye to relatives before our trip to Tahiti and Australia next week.
I took the day off, my buddy Jeff and I are sitting around smoking some things and surfing the web when we came across a website of Dan rarities that thanks to Brain Strainer fit right in nicely with his Steely Song Similarities, otherwise known as SSS
Please enjoy:
[Steely Rarities: Descriptions and Comments
This All Too Mobile Home
This song was, as I've mentioned, the finale to the live shows
on the 1974 Pretzel Logic tour. It's a fairly straightforward song
in which the protagonist is relentlessly searching after his ex-wife
who's evidently shacked up with another man. The rhythms are very catchy,
especially the guitar break at the very end of the song, right before the
closing drum duet. It's really a classic Dan song, and would have fit in
cozily on "Pretzel Logic"
Similarities: This is a good example of the early-Dan sound.
It sounds and feels a bit like "The Boston Rag". The minor chord figures and
progressions are a rare like-prosody for the subject matter, as opposed to
the usual musical/lyrical irony.
Soundbite
The Second Arrangement
An outstanding song, even in its early form. It's yet another song about adultery and betrayl, "the second arrangement" most likely referring to an extramarital affair. This track features the Gaucho-esque Fender Rhodes piano galloping along over acoustic piano chords and a recurring guitar theme which eventually reappears in the form of a (written?) solo.
Similarities: Sounds like an upbeat "Glamour Profession", but with
more aggressive keyboards than GP's graceful, ghostly synth. The overall feel of the song is embarking and inspired, almost the exact opposite of "Third World Man", its eventual (albeit tragic) descendent.
Soundbite Soundbite 2
Kulee Baba
This is another example of the visionary ability of the Dan. The
story is told by some renegade TV-producer/adventurer type, who broadcasts a mysterious ritual peformed by aboriginal natives, the kulee baba ("No white man's eyes have ever seen/the cruel primeval right that you're beholding"),
in the name of preservation and prosperity but actually to further his own career.
This songs seems to predict the corruptive power of TV, and it's far-reaching implications.
Similarities: This version is only a rough demo, but even so it
bears a strongly likeness to the somber mood of the aforementioned "Third World Man", and sounds like a hybrid of that song as well as "Babylon Sisters"(minus the cool beat), and "Glamour Profession" with a dash of "The Nighfly" thrown in for good measure.
I Can't Write Home About You
One of my favorite Steely Dan un-tunes, boasting the most attractive
hook this side of "Hey Nineteen". The narrator is someone who's moved to the seedy part of the big city from an evidently smaller, simpler town and runs into conflict when he, well, look at the title. It's a strikingly beautiful song,and initially one wonders why it was left off of "Gaucho", but I doubt it would have fit very well on the album, which is probably the reason for its unfortunate dismissal.
Similarities: I know it isn't very helpful, but this song doesn't
sound like any other Dan song I'm familiar with. It vaguely resembles "Hey 19" and "Black Cow" at the outset, but then goes off in a whole new direction.
The Fall of '92
A ghastly, groping song about a high-living couple forced apart by the
economic recession of a few years ago. The lyrics get downright vulgar, even for a Dan song and mercifully it was left off of 11TOW. It's diffcult to compare this sing stylistically to any other SD/DF/WB songs; it's strangely Perry Mason-like melodies lurch and glide along for nearly 7 minutes of painful monologue before WB's climactic denouncing of "George Bush and the Nazis down in Washington DC..."
Similarities: The song sounds like a drawn out, depressed "Maxine"
and "Too Cold Tuzz's Shadow" making it quite enjoyable to hear, but not listen to. The lyrics are crass, strained and largely tasteless, out-on-a-limb even for WB.
It should also be noted that a studio versio was recorded, and to its credit did sound much better than the live version. Walter is sure one ballsy bastard.
Our Lawn
Now here's a bouncy tune thats was usually played right after the horrid "Fall of '92". The bassline is very similar (if not identical) to that of "Surf and/or Die", the chords pleasing, but a bit cumbersome and the lyrics WB all the way. The story depicts the struggles of marriage relating to upkeep and everyday activites of running a household, sort of like an upbeat, less acerbic "Cringemaker".
Soundbite
Medical Science
This is another 11ToW outtake, very cool sounding even though WB isn't singing very loud and isn't in the front of the mix. It features a skippy beat, a cross between that of "Down in the Bottom" and "Book of Liars". The song in its current for is pretty stripped down, only sparse guitar work and a keyboard part rhytmically similar to "Peg".
The chorus is catchy, but the song generally feels unfinished. A demo of the song appears on the 11ToW demo/outtake collection Just Another Story.
Sampaiku
This has got to be the weirdest Walter Becker song that's ever slipped into the clutches of the Fandom. Also from Just Another Story, it features a tripping vocal part by WB with some kind of a flute doubling him a la the piano in the "Bad Sneakers" chorus.
The drum is very peculiar, with the main beat on the and of 3, for those of you who are musically inclined (in most rock and derivitate songs, the beat is on 2 and 4).
This version, like many 11ToW demos, is keyboard-driven and stripped-down.
Nevertheless, the song is vintage WB and defintely would've painted 11ToW a trippier shade had it been included.
Similarities: The odd drum part is most akin to "Hat Too Flat" while the keyboard voice is similar to that used in "Lucky Henry" and the bass and overall rhythmic feel is closest to "My Waterloo". It carries a similar to that of "Little Kawai" inasmuch as it's a rather innocuous sounding thing, but we real fans know not always to trust that alone.
The Ghost of Hypnos Past
Minimalistic and wordy, this tune carries on for a very bearable six minutes.
A very soulful R&B song with floating chords and melodies, Walter really gets down.
The narrative ostensibly depicts the adventures of a few seedy characters.
The song also boasts some of WB's best lines (see the lyrics).
Lies I Can Believe
By far the best of the six 11ToW outtakes. This song chronicles a failing, perhaps doomed relationship. The narrator's pessimistic replies to his partner's suggestion's adds to the defeated pallor of the tune. The exposed keyboard part is very effective;
the chords shape the song tremendously while the recurring brief pipe motif appears during the breaks. WB really bears his soul here, even more so than on the gutsy "This Moody Bastard". The vocal melody is soulful, bluesy and very flattering to WB's voice in its true environment. One of the few instances when the bite of Steely Dan takes a break to show its soft side.
Similarities: The song starts out with a gaudy drum and bass intro reminiscent of corny 80's pop songs, but the ghostly keyboard changes the feel instantly.
"Lies I Can Believe" appears to be a missing link between "Cringemaker" and "This Moody Bastard".
The narrator isn't taking a directly oppositionaly approach as in the former, but not quite the wallowing of the former. It's successful hybrid of cynicism and torment, in the the true Steely Dan fashion.
Wetside Story
Okay, having said that, let's move on to the other new song. This one's a bit sub-par. The rhythm is vaguely similar to that of "Jack of Speed", but the majority of the lyrics are uninterpretable, even after several listens.
it sounds like they're trying too hard with this one. The overall feel of song is closer to "Kamakiriad" than that of the Dan, sounding a bit like "Springtime" or "Trans-Island Skyway". It was replaced mid-tour with...
Cash Only Island
A slightly cooler, laid back tune, "Cash Only Island" is like a slowed-down,funked-up "Time out of Mind". It has a nice little hook in the chorus and would probably make a good b-side to a single the calibre of "Jack of Speed".
This song also features a snaky rhythm, showcasing an ultimately mood-ruining Ari Ambrose sax solo. Where's Pete Christleib when you need him? Come to think of it, his "FM" solo would fit nicely over in this tune.]
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 13:23:28 ET
Posted by: dg, L.A
Please, shed some light on the Santa Ynez concert. Is the only show ? What is their plan ? Do you think the show will be longer without the restrictions of a large venue ?
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 12:47:44 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
damn it Drhoo i was gonna say "Lunch w/Gina"!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 12:35:07 ET
Posted by: chris, ma
even in this day and age, the grammy nominations still find a way to surprise me. the fact that "my humps" is on the list is almost disgusting. what a joke of an award.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 11:51:24 ET
Posted by: W1P, Looney Toon Ville
Rising to the Flame Bait, I think most would agree that David Gilmour is a talentless lout.
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 11:36:01 ET
Posted by: Nasia,http://www.rhodes-hotels.us/, Everywhere...
Send my warm regards to all of you !! See you in Rhodes!!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 10:35:07 ET
Posted by: Anonymous,
WB
Have you forgotten ?
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 08:14:51 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Lunch with Gina?
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 07:51:05 ET
Posted by: Waiting for the Walter's new one, Reading www.walterbecker.com
Front page links:
"pound get a blow"
now followed by
"kingdom rise and kingdom fall"
"under heavy manners"
Two more song titles. From Wailing Souls and Prince Far I.
So WB:s doing a reggae cover album?? :x
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 05:40:21 ET
Posted by: Tonight, here
Awesome! And a lot of other people that suck horribly, like Gilmour, were nomiated too!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 02:43:42 ET
Posted by: W1P, Grammy Land
Other Grammy Nominees include David Gilmour who was nominated for Best Rock Instrumental Performance for Castellorizon. Gilmour's competition includes Peter Frampton, nominated for Black Hole Sun!
Date: Fri, December 08, 2006, 00:14:07 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Speaking of "Green Earrings", which New Testament SD song seems unmistakably derivative of Earrings, musically, and maybe a bit thematically?
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 22:53:00 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
ultimate trivia- who plays on 'Starting Over, Late In the evening, and Hey 19"?
Not Gadd, not Feldman......Who is the very under rated
guitar player, Hugh McCracken?
Alex.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 22:26:25 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, Chicago
Steve V.: That would be Gadd.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 21:26:26 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
http://www.donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
New Lexi says:
"DF would like to recommend to all the writings of George W.S. Trow who died in Naples, Italy a couple of weeks ago..."
You can check out the rest of it at the Lexi page.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 21:24:27 ET
Posted by: Newark, Countermooning
Dear Bobbo et.al., These threads have been really sparky! Well done guys! Bobbo, I'm sorry. I must apologize for I am convinced that you have been a true-blue fan. I mean, I really want to hear your take on 11TOW. It such a daring work--I'm amazed by it, sipping it slowly for quite a while. I didn't mean to be a killjoy around Christmas time. The upcoming show is very exciting, and there's great travel deals. Best to you all. Humbled and a little hopeful, Newark
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 21:03:45 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Playa
I remember that night well, I was doing my homework with the TV on and there was a special report. It was such a shock, unbelievable. Lennon was one of those people you felt were indestructable, larger than life. It was a bitter, bitter cold snap on the east coast, dreary, and I remember everyone in school was really down the next day. Ahh, 1980, the last year of great rock music before the slow decline into what is now a dismal cesspool.
G
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 20:55:39 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer.,
Despite having a 3-hour disadvantage RAJAH, the fastest gun in the West was first with the correct answer.
"Throw Back the Little Ones" is the answer we were looking for, most of the song seems most nearly a direct derivative musically of "Fire in the Hole". But there are others, and of course many of these songs have different pieces from here and there but there are some that just stand out.
The hint that was provided indicated that ALKALI should have gotten it not necessarily for depth of Dan knowledge, but for his having done an excellent parody of that song around March 2006 by converting the lyrics from those of the anything goes 1970's to the "politically correct" 1990's-00's if you'll recall. Alkali also came up with "Green Earrings" as derived from "Fire" which will be worth checking out.
The extra credit portion of this Strainer is still riding out there as to the song with greater notoriety (than "Throw Back") derived from "Fire in the Hole", Old Testament. An important clue was given in the earlier response where Dr Hoo was VERY close to getting it. After another listen today "Night by Night" could be considered the alternate answer if this question were ever used again..
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 20:47:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah, ah yes, ah remember it well...
Many thanks SteveV - my memory failed me on the Hal Blaine tune but I do remember with great specificity that fateful night 26 years ago, I was watching ABC Monday Night Football and it was announced by Howard Cosell. Sometimes I still can't believe that it actually happened. What a tragedy for all of us. Not that John was an angel but the good a man's legacy does live long after he departs, the bad is pretty much forgotten. At least I hope that holds to be true.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 20:14:50 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Kopitiam, Singapura
Rajah....that was Hal Blaine on the 1975 version of 'ANy World'.....Blaine was an insanely terrific drummer as those great pop #1 will attest.....Everyone's Gone...features Porcaro and the great Vic Feldman on congas etc.......
It is already the 8th here in Singapore....cheers to John Lennon...hard to believe it has been 26 years already!
I had just fallen asleep that night...12/8/1980 and my brothers and sister were watching the Glenn Miller story on WOR Channel 9 (a movie about a great musician who disappeared!)....I fell asleep listening to WABC 77 AM and took note that they had played Hey 19....segued into I Love Music by the O'Jays...at 10:50 pm.....around 11:30 my sister ran in screaming "they just shot John Lennon!"....a scary and sad night....any other memories of Dec.8, 1980.......
ultimate trivia- who plays on 'Starting OVer, Late In the evening, and Hey 19"?
geocities.com/singapore365
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 17:29:57 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yes, Tom is automatically everyone's "friend" right from the start.
http://www.myspace.com/tom
Right now "Tom has 136,941,188 friends." No doubt that number has grown just in the time it took me to post this.
Doonesbury on facebook/myspace-type sites...
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2006/12/02/
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 16:33:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah, rock on Tom
I guess he is everyone's friend on there then.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 15:33:27 ET
Posted by: Tom from My Space, Your Space
Tom is the founder of My Space, you know, he sold it to Rupert Murdock for like 200 milliion dollars?
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 13:48:42 ET
Posted by: nyb,
What's next Walt, a wardrobe malfunction?
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 13:47:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Sweetheart, that's my favorite article on the Dan ever, The Drummers of Steely Dan. I love the Hal Blaine story, how Porcaro was in no shape to record one morning so they huriedly searched for someone who could come in real quick and ended up with probably the most expensive session drummer of the 60s. He's still alive and kickin' in Palm Springs, he was no spring chicken when he played on Everyone's Gone to the Movies(is that correct?)
Here's the WikiP list of Hal Blaine's NO. 1s.
Hal Blaine's #1 Hits
Can't Help Falling in Love with You - Elvis Presley (12/18/61)
He's a Rebel - The Crystals (10/06/62)
Surf City - Jan & Dean (06/22/63)
I Get Around - Beach Boys (06/06/64)
Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin (07/11/64)
Ringo - Lorne Greene (11/07/64)
This Diamond Ring - Gary Lewis & the Playboys (01/23/65)
Help Me, Rhonda - Beach Boys (05/01/65)
Mr. Tambourine Man - Byrds (06/05/65)
I Got You Babe - Sonny & Cher (07/31/65)
Eve of Destruction - Barry McGuire (08/28/65)
My Love - Petula Clark (01/15/66)
These Boots are Made for Walkin - Nancy Sinatra(02/05/66)
Monday Monday - Mamas and Papas (04/16/66)
Strangers in the Night - Frank Sinatra (05/28/66)
Poor Side of Town - Johnny Rivers (10/08/66)
Good Vibrations - Beach Boys (10/29/66)
Somethin' Stupid - Frank & Nancy Sinatra (03/25/67)
The Happening - Supremes (04/15/67)
Windy - Association (06/03/67)
Mrs. Robinson - Simon & Garfunkel (05/04/68)
Dizzy - Tommy Roe
Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In - 5th Dimension(03/15/69)
Love Theme-Romeo & Juliet -Henry Mancini (05/24/69)
Wedding Bell Blues - 5th Dimension (10/04/69)
Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel (02/14/70)
Close To You - The Carpenters (06/27/70)
Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond (08/29/70)
Indian Reservation - Paul Revere & the Raiders (05/29/71)
I Think I Love You - Partridge Family (10/31/71)
Song Sung Blue - Neil Diamond (05/13/72)
Half Breed - Cher (09/01/73)
Annie's Song - John Denver (06/15/74)
Top of the World - Carpenters (10/20/74)
The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand (12/22/74)
Thank God I'm a Country Boy -John Denver (04/05/75)
Love Will Keep Us Together - Captain & Tennille (05/24/75)
I'm Sorry/Calypso - John Denver (08/30/75)
Theme From Mahogany - Diana Ross (11/22/76)
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 13:36:35 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, PDR
Don't know whether this has been posted before, but it may be of interest to some:
http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.music.makers.soloact/what_do_bernard_purdie_porcaro_hal_blaine_steve_gadd_6903931t.html
G
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 13:04:22 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
oh wait how bout "Green earrings"?
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 13:01:12 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Yea, BRAIN I'd have to say "Throw back the little ones" too
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 12:48:07 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Morph the Cat has received a Grammy nomination for Best Surround Sound Album !!!
Morph The Cat
Elliot Scheiner, surround mix engineer; Darcy Proper, surround mastering engineer; Donald Fagen, surround producer (Donald Fagen)
[Reprise Records]
Full listing of all Grammy nominations at:
http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/49th_Show/list.aspx
Congratulations!!!
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 11:16:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah, takin a whack at it
Brain, this is difficult without being able to hear the tunes but, musically speakin, I'll say the atonal, descending guitar chords in the middle eight or sixteen of Fire reminds me of portions of Kings and also the coda of Pretzel Logic. The block chords on the piano however remind me of many of Donald's riffs, from My Old School, Throw Back the Little Ones, quite a few others. The rhythms are different but the construction is similar.
SteveeDan and the boys did a version of Turn That Heartbeat Over Again last week that was a real eye-opener. I've always felt this song was weak due in part to what I perceived to be a somewhat ungainly lyric. But hearing something live always adds to a song, almost never the other way around, and I hear some really wonderful things in it. Jeez, onll took me 34 years to cozy up to this song. Why Don and Walt feel some of the older tunes don't speak to them anymore is puzzling.
You mean that guy "Tom" is like the photo you get in there when you buy a picture frame? OK, now that's funny. A commentary on "My Space," perhaps.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 10:20:43 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Pearl of the Quarter?
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 10:01:08 ET
Posted by: NYB,
What's this velvet rope shit Walter? Here, take a look at Frank Zappa's myspace...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=11993640
Good enough for him, good enough for you.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 08:53:23 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
That "Tom" guy--Walt's "friend" on MySpace--is the friend EVERYONE gets when they sign up. I think he's there to avert the sad circumstance of logging on and it showing "you have 0 friends."
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 08:27:31 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Shari, thanks for the new sounds in the greenroom,,,LWO you should check it out, they're fun.
Well, Walaka, when you put it like that there's not much for me to do but await further developments. I did check out some Japanese import CD sites, but instead of bothering the globalization dept. for translations, I will wait see what blows back my way.
Date: Thurs, December 07, 2006, 00:00:08 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Dr Hoo has come up with "Night by Night", which is a good candidate and is very close to the SECOND answer we are looking for in its "Logical" context. Incidently, that song bears a strong resemblance to a tune by Dan Fogelberg "OOh, I'm Missin' You", who is considered by some to have been be influenced by the Dan. And no coincidence that he was suggested as a replacement for Don F. as vocalist in the Dan, even if in jest. Wonder if "Dan" is his real name and he chose it as a reference to his influence?
"Boston Rag" is an interesting answer in that it probably was influenced to some extent by the CSNY sound vocally, and shades of it can be heard later on the title track "Gaucho"
We'll let this one ride for a while before revealing the answers, and possibly until ALKALI can have a chance at it.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 22:54:33 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Night by Night.
Honorable mention:
Razor Boy.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 21:36:57 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,, Fi-yah in my hole
Recent posts to the Blue have brought up the fairly "deep" SD cut "Fire In the Hole", which probably achieved most of its notoriety as being the flip-side on the 7-inch 45RPM of "Do it Again". But "Fire in the Hole", as it turned out has had a strong influence on several subsequent SD songs, and in one case much of the song in question, musically, was nearly directly lifted from "Fire". Name that song.
For extra credit, name a second song of greater notoriety than the first one, but perhaps not as directly lifted from "Fire".
HINTS: Both songs are in the Old Testament canon of SD, and not necessarily in chronological sequence. And, it will be disappointing if ALKALI doesn't get the first song.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 21:05:58 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Boston
Rajah,
no, I never heard that. I though it was the name of an American Band, until I read an article in New Musical Express, where I learned about the Naked Lunch reference. I had never hear of William Burroughs at that time. I was more interested in Victoria Principal:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimages%26imgsz%3D%26imgc%3D%26vf%3D%26va%3DVictoria%2BPrincipal%26fr%3Dyfp-t-414%26ei%3DUTF-8&w=385&h=730&imgurl=www.all-pictures-photos.com%2Fimages%2Fvictoria-principal%2Fvictoria-principal-017-img.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.all-pictures-photos.com%2Fvictoria-principal-pictures.html&size=31.1kB&name=victoria-principal-017-img.jpg&p=Victoria+Principal&type=jpeg&no=1&tt=4,671&oid=ef041acd85ea2ae8&ei=UTF-8
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 19:59:02 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
http://www.cdreviews.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1662&Itemid=27
Is he a fool to do their "Dirty Work?"
http://www.kipboardman.com/
[ Click "Enter website", then "Music" in the resulting pop-up window, followed by "Album details" for the CD "Hello, I Must Be...", and finally (also obviously) click the song title to hear the mp3. ]
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 18:20:06 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, I'm all right
Now that would be a HFS moment!
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 16:38:41 ET
Posted by: Walaka, @sanpakiu
Denise
In a near random universe
Hearing Sanpaiku is possible
W
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 16:24:45 ET
Posted by: me, here
Nothing on their website says "tour." There will only be one show.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 15:46:43 ET
Posted by: ps, there
singing voulez-voulez-voulez-vous
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 14:42:34 ET
Posted by: DWSB, Umea Mountain
Your faithful Radio Dupree narrators Nebukadnessar Stephenson & & Sigurd Huckle have some news again about Fire in the Hole and the Swedish acoustic versions:
***This week they appeared for a live performance (Pearl
Of The Quarter) and interview on Swedish national
radio. And you can still catch it in the 30 day
rolling archives.
Go here:
http://sr.se/cgi-bin/p4/nyhetssidor/sandningsarkiv.asp?programID=2151
Click on December 5 (Tuesday) and then go down to the
sound link and click that. It's a two hour show in
four consecutive parts that link seemlessly. What you
need to do is to go to the third part of four. Use the
>-button to jump to the right part. The display should
say
P4 Extra med Christer Engqvist Del 3 av 4
- tisdag 5 december 2006 kl 14.03
You can hear the live-in-the-studio version of Pearl
Of The Quarter 4 min 15 sec into the show. Then
follows an interview in Swedish, so you can
fastforward to 12:37 and hear Fire In The Hole (not
live but from the CD).
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 14:26:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah, you gotta have friends
Pish-tosh, the Rajah is universally adored, doves and hummingbirds attend my every movement.
CB, I have the perfect meeting place in Oxnard, it's a truck dock down by the RR tracks just across from Chupacabra's tamale stand on Rte. 1.
This Santa Ynez show makes it offical: Steely Dan has gone Country & Western! This crowd will love, "With a Gun." Special guests, Martha Carter Wainwright and her Soggy Bottom Boys.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 13:40:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Rajah
Meet me in Oxnard and we can caravan the El Caminos to Chumash
BTW got a new tarp for the bed but now I can’t feed the little ones.
Maybe Walty needs some friends
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 13:36:01 ET
Posted by: And you?, ...
Which may be one more than you have...
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 12:56:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
One friend? Poor SOB has one friend? Man, that's harsh.
What the hell has gotten into him? Albums, websites, surprise concerts by Steely Dan in the dead of winter, cryptic messages, producing, playing, writing and now My Space?
What next, flogging a line of frozen dinners on the Food Channel? Can an appearance on Regis and Kelly-Lee be far behind?
...only the Doppelganger knows...
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 12:31:36 ET
Posted by: Due With Swedish Buzz, Walter's MySpace Mountain
has Radio Dupree got News for you. A Walter sighting in MySpace. But don't kid yourself, you can't be his friend unless you ARE his friend lol lol.
http://www.myspace.com/officialwalterbecker
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 10:52:27 ET
Posted by: Fife, In the kitchen making yuletide goodies
Gretchen,
Sounds yummy! It's funny that you mention it, I planted most of the herbs that go into it in my herb garden this summer. The only ones that came up though were rosemary, lavender and basil. The chicken piccata turned out beautifully by the way!
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 10:08:04 ET
Posted by: ,
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 10:06:40 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Hoops,
A few of us chatting last night were enjoying the new sounds feature, especially the SD bits. We'd like to add a few more: how do we do that? For example, Walters' "Slang Me" and Donald's "mm-mm-mm" from Hey 19. Thanks...
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 09:13:36 ET
Posted by: Clas,
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Dubbelgångare, that's Swedish.
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Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 08:37:19 ET
Posted by: NYB, advanced Beckerology
Okay, so "Doppelganger" means the mirror-image of something... Fagen and Becker consider themselves the mirror-image of each other.
"Underground artist DJ Dope L. Ganger is completing his first major-label release at an undisclosed location. Walter Becker duets with Dope on all tracks."
Okay okay, don't rush me! I'm figurin' this out...
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 08:27:08 ET
Posted by: ps, Doublure Mountain
http://www.findmydouble.com/
and to add a little icing, here's something to do whilst Daddy G.'s keeping track of sightings in Walter's website lol.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 08:22:15 ET
Posted by: Corpsy V, Wikipediatrics
http://www.psychics.co.uk/coincidences/doppelganger.html
link above is entertaining en enlightening. the Dutch word is close enough: "dubbelganger". even more interesting a fact, Arthur Schopenhauer and writer Gunther Grass both originate from Gdansk. thank you Walter Becker, for broadening the minds of your devoted fanhood and providing food for thought.
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 06:46:58 ET
Posted by: NYB, city on the edge of forever...
"Doppelganger" can mean the ghostly image of something, but that's not how the word is usually used. "Doppelganger" usually refers to something being exactly like something else. The mirror-image of something else. Like one of those post-war housing developments in the 1950's...
"Sawdust still hung in the air. To walk out of the sliding glass doors onto the slab of concrete that was the patio and gaze across the ocean of mud at one's DOPPELGANGER neighbors was, well, awesome. For my parents, the open space, the kitchen of the future and the streamlined look of the place with that cream Olds Dynamic 88 purring in the driveway must have had a lot going for it. But for me, a subterranean in gestation with a real nasty case of otherness, it was the perfect setting for a nice, hot mushroom cloud and concomitant firestorms. My parents had sentenced me to a long stretch in Squaresville and I was looking for an out." (Donald Fagen)
Therefore, methinks that mister "DJ Dope L. Ganger" is actually the mirror image of the narrator. He IS the narrator. But the larger question is... Why is Mr. Becker walking on a beach in Poland?
Date: Wed, December 06, 2006, 04:18:53 ET
Posted by: duncan,
DJ Dope L. Ganger
or perhaps..
A doppelgänger (pronunciation (help·info)) is the ghostly — in some cases, the physical — double of a living person. The word "doppelgänger" is a loanword from German, in which language it is written (as with any German noun) with an initial capital letter: Doppelgänger. The word derives from Doppel ("double") and Gänger ("goer").
In English, the word is conventionally uncapitalized ("doppelgänger"). It is also common to drop the German diacritic, umlaut, from the letter "ä," writing "doppelganger," although in German the correct spelling without the umlaut would actually be "Doppelgaenger."
In the vernacular, "Doppelgänger" has come to refer to any double or look-alike of a person—most commonly an "evil twin"—or to bilocation.
The word is also used to describe a phenomenon whereby one catches his own image out of the corner of his eye. In some traditions, seeing one's own doppelgänger is an omen of death. A doppelgänger seen by a person's friends or relatives may sometimes bring bad luck, or indicate an approaching health problem.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 22:30:26 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Goat Roper
A dollar short...
COMING IN 2007 at the Maverick Saloon
"First Friday ROCKS!"
One day a month dedicated to Rock 'n Roll. It all starts on Friday, February 2
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 22:28:43 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, the kitchen
Fife, have you tried Herbs de Provence when seasoning game hens? Out of this f###### world. They were amazing.
Sorry for the non Dan content, but this could benefit anyone, even Donald and Wally..........
G
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 20:59:06 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
It's that fourth one that's most interesting to me at the moment...
______________________________________________________________________
Gdansk Beach
Underground artist DJ Dope L. Ganger is completing his first major-label release at an undisclosed location.
Walter Becker duets with Dope on all tracks
______________________________________________________________________
The pic looks like Walter walking on a beach. And obviously there's the doppelganger angle (Walter "duets with Dope on all tracks?").
Is it maybe a peek at a photo related to the new opus? Possibly the cover? Again, stay tuned...
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 20:11:03 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Still no actual sounds on the sounds page, but four wb "sightings" have now been added as popup visuals...
Madelyn Peyroux - 2006 "I'm All Right"
Rebecca Pidgeon - 2005 "Tough On Crime"
Krishna Das - 2005 "All One "
DJ Dope L. Ganger - 2004 "Gdansk Beach"
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 20:04:23 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Denise, so you are headin out west. Good for you!!!
I have had several emails I've tried to send you bounce back. Send me one so I can keep in touch.
Chan
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 19:15:08 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Did I say dump...I meant fine dining establishment. If that's where the Dandom will be, then so shall I.
Hey Walaka, can't get those lyrics out of my mind, esp. the last verse. If you are listening to this, may I ask where? I've searched but cannot find it. Thanks.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 18:59:40 ET
Posted by: Mule75,
Re: Allmans, Beacon, Derek Trucks
Word is that the ABB will be doing the Beacon Run a bit late this year, late March into early-April, due to Derek Trucks' prior commitment to the Clapton Tour. IMO, The Allmans are the best "regularly touring" act in the country. The Beacon shows are always phenomenal. Derek Trucks is GOD. If you haven't checked out his band, do yourself the favor.
Also, I've heard that MSG entertainment plans to tear all of the orchestra seating out of The Beacon to create a general admission floor. Very sad if this comes to pass.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 18:26:24 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SYV
Ok ok, the Mav might be roughin it- another option is two doors down at Grappolo- an italian restaurant with great food, great wine- small and noisy and unpretentious, which is fun and they could get a table set up for about 16 or so if you make a reservation- you might even catch a glimpse of david crosby who frequents the place- whoopty do- it might be another option for those reluctant to step in any cow pies- though the Mav would be nice to enhance your storytelling....
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 17:34:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey Doc, bummer, I thought I found something there. Still, the first two definitions of Steely Dan are funny:
(1) Jazzy rock band from the 70's, most of whom's subtle lyrics are about heavy heavy drug use, ludacrus sex and suicide. Curiously, a favorite of housewives everywhere for their soft tones and smooth vocals.
(2) Jazz/Rock group, often considered to be an actual person by retarded people.
GM - The Allmans without Derek Trucks wouldn't be the same, what they have regained from his presence over the last decade has been remarkable, he's a master slide player, every bit as good as -dare I say it - Duane.
OK, The Maverick may not be the Rainbow Room but it's the only game in town. We'll just have to hitch up our britches and bite the bullet. Ladies, don't wear your Monolos, they might get scuffed (or worse) in there.
Hey Craig, maybe THAT'S why they wear wooden shoes, outside of a few splinters maybe, you can't ruin them. Oh, maybe if you set em on fire I suppose.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 17:02:11 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
The maverick looks like a real dump...
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 16:34:20 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
This came November 16th:
GREGG ALLMAN EXCITED ABOUT BEACON THEATRE REHAB
The Allman Brothers Band is excited about renovations that are being planned for the Beacon Theatre in New York City. The group has done a "March Madness" multi-night residency at the venue for the past 15 years, and they hold the record for most shows there. Singer-keyboardist Gregg Allman told XXXXX how important the Beacon is to the Allmans: ["This place is, I've learned so much here, and have had so many good times here -- some of 'em were kind of rough, but most of 'em were just fine, just wonderful. And this means a lot to the Brothers, because we love this place, I'm sure, as many other musicians do, also."] SOUNDCUE (:17 OC: . . . musicians do, also.)
* The Beacon Theatre is being taken over by Madison Square Garden Entertainment, which plans to close the landmark building in January 2008 for a seven-to-nine month renovation that will cost a minimum of $10 million. At this time, it's expected that the Allmans will return to the Beacon in March 2007, but no announcement was made about where they'll play in March 2008 while the building is under repairs.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 16:11:35 ET
Posted by: Gustav Mahler, Solbang, CA
Edgar and others -- that rube-town bar looks like a blast if you are after chunky babes in outdated jeans . . . and big underwear. Yikes. There will be some grazing going on there.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 16:00:47 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,
Girl Margaret, as I recall, the Allmans don't announce the dates till sometime in January. Or, that's the way it has been in the past few years. I'm hoping, though, if I hear anything I'll let you know.
G
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 15:43:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B., a
I think that I can stagger .8 miles.. but not with those f* wooden shoes
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 15:39:22 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
I checked out Ticketmaster recently trying to see what dates the Allmans would be at Beacon Theater and there's no dates when they're appearing! At all! Period! WTF I thought the Allman's did Beacon Theater every February and would until they and every imposter died off. What a shame. A damn shame for me as I had to go find something else to give my mother for Christmas THANKS ALLMANS.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 15:30:09 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Rajah:
urbandictionary.com is a place where people try and make up their own slang words and phrases, or give new meaning to old stuff...
99.9% of it is garbage...
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 15:02:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
And somewhat along that same vein, I came across this at urbandictionary.com:
"The term 'Steely Dan' was originally used by the British to describe the act of a man spending a night with a prostitute. Doing a 'Steely Dan' was the complete act of soliciting, going with and eventually having sexual intercourse with a lady of the evening."
Exemplar: "I hear Nigel did a little steely dan,... aye, got a leg over wif dat tart he met at the pub,...shagged her rotten he did,...idinit"
Question for our Brits out there: ever heard of this turn of phrase?
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 14:31:30 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
out there way tangentially on the steely dan limb...
The Chicago Sun-Times always has a "Weather at a glance" bit on front page near the masthed with the hi/lo, and an odd adjective to describe the day's predicted weather.
Today? " 'STEELY' Mostly Cloudy 32°/27° (F)"
jim
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 13:31:05 ET
Posted by: Edgar Buchanan, keep Manhattan jus gimme that countryside
Check out the hotties and the local color, oh man, a pic is worth a thousand:
http://www.mavericksaloon.org/%27round_the_bar.htm
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 13:25:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah, scrapple @ the Maverick
Hoops-er-doo - yee-haw, get yer chaps on boy, this place looks fun:
http://www.mavericksaloon.org/photo_gallery.htm
It'll be a cross-cultural funfest what with the Chumash tribesmen, the Danish, the Steely Dannish, and the good ol boys at the Maverick Bar, rated #1 Western Bar, #1 for Entertainment and #2 for best BBQ. You can't beat that with a stick, pardners. Only .8 miles from the Samala Showroom at the Fabulous Chumash Casino. And Friday nights are free Two-Step Lessons with Lee-Anne...prrrrrrrr...
I'm takin' the El Camino down off the blocks fer this one!
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 13:24:33 ET
Posted by: Piranha,
Why don't you all just sleep in your cars like the poor do?
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 13:18:19 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, ironing my authentic Danish maid's costume
Bobbo, try the Days Inn Buellton, at the Windmill, tel.800-246-8357. You can get very reasonable room, and the campy pleasure of staying at the place where part of "Sideways" was filmed. Not a far drive to the casino.
G
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 12:58:25 ET
Posted by: Hans Christian Fagensen, old Copenhagen town
Solvang is OK except for the endless sound of wooden shoes on the street all night. Those roving Danish gangs ride 3-deep in their sleighs and do clomp-bys all night long. Dress in a nice pair of lederhosen and try to blend in.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 12:55:15 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey all,
I look forward to meeting all of you at Chumash...or the Maverick?
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 12:29:47 ET
Posted by: angel,
Bobo: Also try Solvang. I did well over there and it is only 3 miles from the venue. Save yourself something like a hundred bucks a night, for the lodging.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 12:26:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's brown and it's corduory and it has patches. I was gonna wear my authentic Chumash Indian loin cloth but I think the Bingo Bus from Beulleton has a dress code.
If the great Derek Trucks is touring with Clapton in March, I wonder what happens to the yearly Allman run at the Beacon?
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 12:01:21 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Hey Rajah
I can I borrow your snooty wine country tweed sport coat sans patches?
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 11:56:48 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
B Bo
Try Buellton. The rates are reasonable for wine country
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 11:34:09 ET
Posted by: You know who, from you know where
Careful Applausehound... suggesting that SD "get back to some ass-kicking on tour" is enough to bring the piranha to the surface.
There was somebody who did that before and nearly got killed (before they realized he was right).
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 11:28:11 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, having trouble with travel!
Jesus-GOD, I've been to Priceline and Travelocity and Hotels.com, and with airfare, all of the options WITH HOTEL are staggering, from a price-conscious point of view...doesn't anyone have a couch in the front room, near the venue, that you'd let a poor fellow "crash" on for a couple of nights? I'll give you a hundred dollars, and LOTS of fine rum, y'know...Hellfire, Danners, "let's get together"...!
Just a Thought,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 11:25:06 ET
Posted by: Applausepound, England
Instead of the same old thang, I suggest y'all check out Mr. Eric Clapton with Mr. Robert Cray (with Memphis Horns) on tour 2006-07. I saw Mr. C in Europe and have tix to see him over here. The band is killer with two of the hottest young gittar players around -- Doyle Bramhall II and Derek Trucks (the youngest member on Rolling Stones hot 100 guitar players). Clapton is kicking ass all over the world. I love the Dan as much or more than anyone, but they need to get back to some "ass-kicking" on tour and really laying it down with some new guitar blood. Get some pizzaz on stage with the lead axe!
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 10:40:48 ET
Posted by: go back, Jack
Tim Wood Do you think Barbra Streisand will cover any of the songs off 2 against Nature?
Walter It's a real possibility.
Walter But a very slight one.
Donald West of Hollywood would be a good choice. That's the one we always imagined for her.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 10:14:21 ET
Posted by: Buzz Aldrin,
Apparently we have a few spellcheckers in the audience. Probably an English teacher. What's the matter Al, couldn't handle math?
Bet your mom like your brother Barney better than you.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 09:50:26 ET
Posted by: Chief Osceola, Tallahassee, FL
FYI -- the "chop" started at Florida State NOT with the lame Braves fans. Word!
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 09:10:32 ET
Posted by: Al Miller,
"tomohawk?" Duhhhhhhhhhhh!
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 09:02:55 ET
Posted by: hmm...,
Or was that the Atlanta Braves... I forget.
Date: Tues, December 05, 2006, 08:59:37 ET
Posted by: Atlanta Falcons fan,
Think Fagen and Becker will start the tour off with a tomohawk chop?
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 23:34:24 ET
Posted by: yup, near Temecula
It's not a "main campus", but it is a major Mission center.
There is another major one near Santa Ynez (Chumash).
Closeted Scientologists? Hmmmmmm.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 23:09:52 ET
Posted by: huh, near soboba
huh?
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 23:00:10 ET
Posted by: Cults of Personality?, enjoying some refreshing Kool Aid
For those who drove into Soboba from the West, you passed the main campus of the Church of Scientology.
Wonder if there is a pattern here?
Someone who is near Chumash ought to check for another such institution. Chances are good there might be a Heavens Gate, People's Temple or Branch Davidian type set up. It IS California.
Don and Walt may be more theistic than we might have imagined, although not in the traditional sense by these recent choices of venues?
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 22:38:43 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Thanks SueDave: just ordered my tickets, I think I'm in the front row!
This will be great.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 22:28:01 ET
Posted by: barrytown, @what barrytown was in the 60's
Hey.
During the 60's the area now inhabited by the Rev Sum Myung Moon was operated by another religious cult
The catholic church..yes it was a semiinary
so it was more likely by ..."what they carry"
walaka
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 22:25:39 ET
Posted by: barrytown, @what barrytown was in the 60's
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 21:55:42 ET
Posted by: suedave, ordered
Startickets has opened up the front section of Chumash!
I like the way the Walter sounds page is moving - no more SoonPopUp but still a placeholder.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 21:04:13 ET
Posted by: me, here
http://www.steelydandictionary.com/#barrytown
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 21:00:48 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
Laurie and I went back east during the Thanksgiving holiday. While there we had an extra day so we decided to drive over to Bard College. It surprisingly was not much of a place for the talent that has come out of it.
We drove around for a while and found Barrytown. Got a great picture of us in front of a one room train station in the woods alongside the Hudson River. There was a large brass sign in the side of the building - Barrytown.
The big thing in Barrytown is a 250 acre Unification Church Seminary run by Sun Myung Moon.
I guess the people there are known by the things they carry.
The song has a whole new meaning for us now.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 20:05:36 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, dime dancing
Zeriouzly now, vouldn't dat logically be a blow und zen a pound?
Talk about putting zee buckboardt bevore zee donkey...
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 19:52:16 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud,
Oh really? I thought it was something a cheap English hooker might say.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 19:45:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
And you, Dear Poster, in addition to being a day late and a dollar short on the uptake, are deadly dull, in my mind a far worse crime.
I'm not telling you again, Mom, please don't bother me on the Blue.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 19:07:40 ET
Posted by: Only a Fool, would say that
Rajah- " "Pound get a blow," is quite obviously a drug reference",
Wrong again? At least some things never change around here.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 18:23:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Oh...sorry. Pardon my levity.
And what, pray, is this reference appropos of...exactly?
Inquiring minds...
Google you say?
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 17:49:51 ET
Posted by: Google is your friend, sterling
not so "quite obviously" Rajah.
Pound Get A Blow is the name of a reggae song -- several reggae songs actually. And it refers to actual devaluation of UK currency which contributed to Jamaica's woes. Google the phrase , and find this back story
http://www.b12partners.net/mt/archives/2004/12/pound_get_a_blo_1.html
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 17:41:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah, channeling Bertie Wooster at Lake Nostalgia
"Pound get a blow," is quite obviously a drug reference, little play on words there. Humorous. Yackked into my Pimms Cup when I saw it. Mr. Becker's sense of the absurd, he himself fullsome of fatlock, stout yeoman, pip-pip and all that rot.
High spirits aside, the hustings have commenced, the bunting is up, the mad hysteria draws on apace. Here at the mushroom farm, everything remains murky, what with the raving revolutionaries who think that just because they ungirded their coin purses for a ticket that somehow gives them the right to jump on every attraction at the fair, the ponies, the teacups, the Tilt-o-Whirl. Au contraire...you get one ride on this Wild Mouse and one ride only is what we surmise.
So I guess I'll just wait in the car with my fizzy-pop for the smoke signals to waft up behind the Casino. I'm parked next to big rock look like bear. Take Rte. 5 past big bear look like rock.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 11:03:25 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, you tell me first...How Deep is Yours?
((Just wanted to say thanks to Lurker Ray, SS, Gus, and Rajah (oh may he rise)...I'm getting you, fellas; the trip is in a GREAT planning stage; in fact, I'm considering paying the extra hundred or so to just fly round-trip to Santa Barbara, instead...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXACTLY-SPECIFIC AND VERY HANDY HIGHWAY TIPS, FELLAS. I KNEW I COULD COUNT ON YOU.))
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 10:50:28 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I noticed on the weekend that the "Content Update" at wb.com had been backdated to the present (12/1 instead of the future 12/30). Now I see a 12/3 update. The sounds page is still as it was, but there's a currency report ("pound get a blow") on the main page.
______________________________________________________________________
December 3, 2006
Dollar Holds Near 20 - Month Low
By REUTERS
TOKYO (Reuters) - The dollar fell to a fresh 20-month low against the euro on Monday, carrying over its weakness from late last week, when soft U.S. factory data reinforced expectations that the Federal Reserve will cut interest rates next year....
______________________________________________________________________
Anyone have a clue what it might mean? As far as anything Walter-related, that is...
Some quick News Googling turned up close variations of the article, so as far as I can tell it seems to be simply a legit report on currency values.
I hesitate to say it, but could it be an obscure hint at something Dannish brewing overseas? I honestly have no idea.
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 07:24:35 ET
Posted by: Clas – howdy pis your love?, Sudan
---
Listen to the Fire in the Hole interview:
http://www.pergunnareriksson.se/cover57.htm
---
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 06:30:55 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Walaka,
Found Sanpaiku demo mentioned on the SD archives...lyrics a bit different but no sound. And you're right, nothin' much godlike happening there. Would be interested to hear it. It reminds me a bit of the lyrict to 2vN, you know, the voodoo thing. I wonder if it has similar feel and that unusual beat. Bye, got to go to work...
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 01:36:33 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Traffic Info for Bobbo:
Rajah has some good recommendations, except that I would say do not leave the LAX area past noon if you can help it. If you take the 405/101 route it is about 100 miles to Santa Barbara and about another 40 miles to Buellton. You might save a few miles on Highway 154 to Highway 246, but depending on the time of day you might miss a lot of the scenery. One bit of advice: When you pick up your rental car tune to one of the AM stations that has traffic info (980 or 1070) every few minutes. This may help you decide to take the 405/101 or State Highway 1. At least, they may explain why you are not moving if you get stuck somewhere. Hope this helps.
GW
Date: Mon, December 04, 2006, 01:19:54 ET
Posted by: NYB, holiday cheer
See now THIS sounds like a Steely Dan tune to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIonhNqXlI&NR
This girl is OBVIOUSLY channeling the spirit of SD past.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 23:48:51 ET
Posted by: walaka, @santa ynez or
Sanpaiku
On the streets of another jungle
On the low rent side of town
There's a club called Jack of Diamonds
And the brothers are gettin' down
Check the midnight set they got
Rad Rolling on the saxophone
Born again, hot boppin'
Many changes still unknown
20 years the same location
Nothing but the best will do
All is just a celebration
The passing of the Sanpaiku
Drop your big girl and grab your girdle
Hurry up I wish you would
Let's just be there for the blowin'
Get it now while the getting's good
Tuesday come the big change-over
Sally sit, there's laughing trash
Ain't no more where this came from
If you miss that final bash
Every little eighth note smilin'
Every little phrase rings true
The man behind the bar is stylin'
On out into the avenue
Rounding out the true believers
There's three including me and you
Get the eager Berkeley beavers
I'm talking about the Sanpaiku
Me and the J-girl stood there watching
A vision all in black and blue
I thought I heard the saints go marching
It was the passing of the Sanpaiku
Nothing but your bad intentions
Is all they let you carry through
So steady in the next dimension
Is the coming of the Sanpaiku
w
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 23:04:02 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Walaka,
The more I read about it, the more unsavory it sounds: "The sanpaku is out of touch with himself, his body and the natural forces of the universe. Symptomatically, sanpaku can be recognized by chronic fatigue, low sexual vitality, poor instinctive reactions, bad humor, inability to sleep soundly and lack of precision in thought and action."
Wow, get thee to an SD concert! Put on a CD or something! Save yourself!!!
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 21:44:53 ET
Posted by: walaka, @p.com
Denise
Walaka is way deep into Sanpaku and its not GODLIKE
W
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 21:23:43 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Bobbo...for a real adventure....wait till you get to LA before listening to 11 Tracks for the first time in your rental car, then wing it all the way to the venue with only the rental car SoCal area map. Record the whole thing on a dashboard-mounted video camera with your commentary.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 20:49:06 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
BTW Walaka,
Re Sanpaku: "Some societies consider Sanpaku eyes to denote physical and mental superiority, also beauty. Is a very rare and significant physical characteristic, envied and admired by some, but misunderstood, resented, and feared by others. Some representations of certain Gods and Heroes are shown with this characteristic."
Don't know where you were heading with this, but I am intrigued. Care to expand on it?
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 19:25:19 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
B-Bo, go up the Pacific Coast Highway all the way up to Oxnard, then cut over to the 101 N. Get off in Santa Barbara on State St. and right on Route 154 and approach Santa Ynez that way. So much better than biting the bullet and going up the 405 to the 101. Plus it's a pretty drive. Just to err on the side of caution, by no means leave LAX later than 4 PM.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 17:17:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Lurker Ray, my favorite traffic description is from a now-imprisoned former Boston DJ: he said ithe traffic was suck-o-rama.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 16:51:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Bobbo -
After 8 PM the SoCal traffic situation
usually becomes pretty smooth. But that
being said remember this is SoCal and
like Chicago weather, it can change at
any second. Some of my favorite news
radio traffic terms since moving out
here from Chicago are:
"Car-ba-que" - A car on fire in lanes.
"Couch in lanes" - Self explanatory.
"Sit & Creep" - Mattress in lanes.
"Crispy Cream" - A dairy truck on fire.
"Weber grill in lanes" - Self explanatory.
"Hot Tub in lanes" - My favorite, but not
to be confused with, "Naked man trying to
cross the 101".
As far as milage and directions go, may
I strongly suggest using MapQuest. You
can get exact distances and directions.
You can plan your entire trip and print
out maps and personalized directions.
Then you could also go to Google Earth or
Yahoo and even see satelite photes of your
routes and final destinations. Ain't
technology cool. May I also suggest going to
IN-N-OUT.com and finding a location along your
way. Double-Double my friend, Double Double.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 15:00:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Okay here's the weird thing. I get into the car Friday night and Mr.Sam has on 11 ToW. Now it wouldn't be so weird if the dear fellow had been following the blue but he pretty well leaves that up to me these days and we have great discussions when I see something that is interesting or asinine.
To be honest I hear a lot of SD in 11ToW. It was this album that showed me just how much Becker puts into SD as I can hear familiar rifts and progressions through out. I'm hoping the new album is just as personal.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 14:51:48 ET
Posted by: nyb, the real thing
Say, isn't Newark on the federal Superfund list? The only good part of Jersey is the northwestern part that's indistinguishable from PA. Even then it's still "jersey". How "Newark" could mistake "Bobbo" for "NYB" is shocking. Must be all that Xylene in the water over there...
Didn't that "Skaggs" kid used to write for Rollingstone? What was his father's name again? "Bonzo" or "Bondo" or "Bingo" or something that?
P.S.) Bobbo don't be a Bo-Bo.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 14:39:05 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, pulling out the hardware, here...
Jeez, fellas, I really was planning to spend some of my weekend Blue Time asking about Cali travel stuff (the distance from LAX to Santa Barbara and/or Buellton, and general highway conditions of a Thursday night were to be primary areas of interest), and now all of THIS...nevermind, Newark, ol' pal, here it is!
http://forums.rollingstone.com/showthread.php?t=1084
I'll save you some scope-and-zoom, droogs: thought I'd "drum up" some Danfest '06 interest on the RS message board for Steely Dan! I was quite shocked that no one at that Teen-to-Twentysomething board was interested enough to respond!
C'mon, kid, I'm afforded silly crap like that, aren't I? Y'know what? Truth be told, that's really a VERY Billish sort of history to drag up (all the way from distant April of this year, no less).
Listen, though, long as you're not a mole for some government agency (especially Partnership for a Drug Free America), you're okay in my book...just, y'know, target someone else to play with! I don't have a lot of surf-time today. Okay?
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 14:12:50 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Driven down to NYB-ishness?!
Um.
Thanks for approval on my enthusiasm, and sorry 'bout the blah-blah. Guilty as charged on that one! What the Hell gets into an old boy sometimes...
Hey give us a link of that RS site, would you?! I can't seem to find it again, and it's not on my favorites list...though it probably should be--I still kind of DIG Rolling Stone, after all these years. First publication to print the "flash of spectacular thigh" lyric from "Pixeleen," in '03, y'know. Can't remember what I posted on that long-ago message board, but whatever it was, I reckon I'll stand by it!
And (again, apologies), but I think you've misplaced my level of Dansciousness--hell, I "discovered" 'em years ago! I'm now imbedded pretty deeply in my own study and enjoyment of the tunes, techniques and arcana of our favorite band. Hey, no harm, no foul, but...aw, the Hell with it.
I'm NYBill?
On second thought, why don't you eat me? That's a pretty harsh and fairly way-over-the-line thing to say to a stranger, dude. Shame on you, bro. Selah.
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006, 13:00:38 ET
Posted by: Newark, RS website
Bobbo: Your enthusiasm for the Dan is fine, but an oxymoron of sorts. I aint into your discovering them. First, you seem ambivalent about the Dan's finery, then you seem enthusiastic, and now you're hanging out at Rolling Stone's netrag trying to lead a discussion forum--a place where blatant, unwarranted, slams against one of the finest group of musicians touring today are archived.
My concern is why would you hang out with or even consider yourself associated with Rolling Stone? They've said a only a few okay things about the boys, but this summer's Atlantic City review was embarrassingly and dismally off the mark. What a fck up on RS's legacy! The SD show in AC was absolutely magnificient and mesmorizing, as was Donald Fagen Band's appearance earlier at the Borgata.
Did you fuck up or what? Gads, I don't get it. Stand up for something or stand for nothing, dude.
Whatever you have to say about 11TOW is not of interest to me--presently, you cyberpresence screams that you are a turn coat. Just people here through you. Sorry, this has been bugging me since you've been so blah blah blah lately. I hope you aren't always so . . . needy? I don't trust you, for I think you are NYB. But whatevah. Hurumpf, Newark
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 20:31:10 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Yeah Bruins!!!!!!!!
11 Tracks of Whack
May I stongly suggest hunting down
the Japanese import version. It's
worth the money just for the added,
"Medical Science". Plus it's a
superior "pressing" in my opinion.
Go Razorbacks!!! Here's hoping
for a Ohio vs Michigan National
Championship Game on "neutral"
turf. These truly are the Number
1 & 2 schools in the nation!
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 19:19:38 ET
Posted by: Speck, miniscule
I just hope that Walter's next one doesn't sound like Steely Dan just to prove he can sound like Steely Dan if he wants to. Becker has his own way, and he's not afraid to branch out and take a chance. I hope he continues that tradition with his next one.
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 18:19:02 ET
Posted by: hot shot's buddy, planet x
groovin version of deacon
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=80648290
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 14:43:19 ET
Posted by: I prefer Walter Becker live, with The Lost Tribe
Come on Walter! Do it! And be sure to kick off your solo show with Lucky Henry again. Sweet!
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 14:36:01 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, The Ville
I don't post often anymore, but lurk daily. On the heels of the discussion of 11 Tracks 'O Whack, I have decided to chime in about my feelings. Mr Becker went out on a thin limb with this album. You won't find the typically lush arrangements, the cryptic songwriting or the pinpoint production. What you will find (over the years) is a fun album. Like no other in the Dan canon, 11TOW almost sounds down home in a way. Surf And/Or Die is among my favorite tracks in Dan history. Some of the tracks are simple, and won't appeal to everyone, but I think that is what makes this album so different. If you're expection Steely Dan, this isn't going to make sense. If you go in with an open mind and a willingness not to criticize just becasue it's not Danesque for you, then you will enjoy. 11TOW is like a fine wine. Better with age and a smooth aftertaste to boot. Don't miss out.
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 13:06:06 ET
Posted by: good photo, east side nyc
http://www.mylife2live.com/000033.html
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 12:27:46 ET
Posted by: Walaka , nostredamous or ?
Sanpaku: this well-known Japanese term describes a condition in which the white of the eye can be seen between the pupil and the lower lid as the subject gazes directly forward. This, we quickly learn, connotes a graves state of physical and spiritual imbalance. The Sanpaku is out of touch with himself, his body and the natural forces of the universe."
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 12:18:10 ET
Posted by: Chan, Between a wallop and a smack
Attention all shoppers, now spinning in my Kamakiri, 11 Tracks of Whack.
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 11:53:42 ET
Posted by: surfed-feel like dying, near random universe
http://steelydan.com/lyrwhack.html#track3
in a near random universe
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 10:45:23 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Waiting to Whack
Well that does it for me.
I won't try to explain how I've come to near the beginning of '07 without hearing a single full track from Walter's only solo record; it just happened!
Or maybe I'll give explaining a wee attempt. Here goes: I've been an enthusiastic Steely type since '87 or so, and picked up THE NIGHTFLY way, way behind my peers in '94, after realizing that three of the songs were fairly well-known "staples" from my youth in the early '80s...I finally came to own copies of GAUCHO and THE ROYAL SCAM by '97 (on vinyl, both copies purchased at Amazon z-shop); traded my friend Pete out of his copy of KAMAKIRIAD (on cassette) at about the same time--for Little River Band's greatest hits...!
They've all been replaced by fine, great-sounding CDs; when "the Boom" happened in 2000, TWO AGAINST NATURE really did float around my Constantly Listened-to List until EVERYTHING MUST GO was released, and, y'know, I just missed Walter's record, somehow.
But I've been convinced by your comments, finally, finally. Of the pain and shame of being Last to Know yet again, I'll say only this: the CD's on its way. Let's see what this moody bastard's all about! Gotta envy the guy going into that scene for the first time, though, don'tcha? Just a little?
Love and peace to you all; can't wait to hear the album. I'll post some early impressions soon after it arrives, okay?
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 02:13:34 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Surf and or Die has got to be one of my all time favorite songs. Man, if that one doesn't get to you, you better check to see if you have a soul left.
So many other great cuts on the album, but yes, it might take a little bit of warming-up to at first, if you are expecting Steely Dan. So, listen again. Once you get it, it won't let you go. Beautiful, creative, humorous, and very personal. Walter bares all. Very brave outting from Mr. Becker. With lots of fun stuff. Bravo.
Date: Sat, December 02, 2006, 00:33:09 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
I love surf and or die....
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 23:45:35 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
11tow is a killer record, one of my favorites. i do wish that better sampling was used - the drums especially - or that he did away with that aspect alltogether. however you can't deny the depth behind the songwriting. i'm looking forward to WB backed by a full band.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 23:37:42 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Bobbo....11 Tracks is required listening, for too many reasons to list. And it is VERY musical.
WB sets up some things that sound simple, but there's cool stuff beneath the surface...like his bass playing and the chords he's using.
The other stuff, like Lucky Henry, Surf and/or Die, Girlfriend, Hat Too Flat, etc. are complex.....just his way of being complex, not the DF way.
On several songs there's an eery thing going on... keyboards/synthesizers drifting in and out. Very much adds to the mood.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 21:27:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Speaking of WB and "Down at the Bottom" there is a live recording of the same at steelydanrchive.com/sounds. Wow!
Rajah
P. Logic was in Seal Beach?
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 16:57:46 ET
Posted by: Rodney "Mildly Risky" Field, I tell ya, I get no respect...
"Stick with the facts."
Isn't that what Joe F. said when investigating the murder at the glue factory?
Thank you, good night...
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 15:21:47 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Steely Mom I totally had the same reaction to that first listen of 11TOW. Kinda like putting a cd on a turntable. Or drinking cough syrup. At first you're like "What the hell?!" but then you chug it and you're like "Damn this is tasty." And Walter is tasty.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 14:28:23 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Joe, we're just so damn excited...at least here in cubicle WS2042
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 14:27:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Something's gonna pop here, I can feel it, it'll be our Xmas gift from Wally. I'm thinking this album will be a lot more musical, 11TOW was very raw, very stripped down. What kind of quirky melodies has he cooked up? Can't wait.
Quickly now, SteveDan's marvelous Pretzel Logic Band played a classy jazz club in the OC called Spaghettini. Lots of heavy hitters have played there, Chris Botti, Jeff Lorber, Lee Ritenour, Ricky Lawson, Wilton Felder, Billy Preston, Pete Escovedo, the Rippingtons, Gil-Scott Heron, you get the picture. Great room, great sound and great to see Steve and the guys starting to get the recognition they surely deserve, they work really hard on this stuff and it's not like there's a lot of money in it, you know the drill, it's all about love. The band was a tad raggety last night, little unfocused and distracted due in large part to the new digs and a new back-up vocalist who displayed a muscular baritone albeit a bit overbearing on the other two singers but that sort of blending takes some time but the OC crowd l-u-v loved it. Puts into sharper focus how butt-ass tight the snooty LA jazz crowd is, these people danced. Nice job, Steven, keep on keepin on ma brother of Steel.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 14:12:46 ET
Posted by: Joe Friday, Stick with the Facts
We have none
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 14:00:13 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
LWO: I agree totally. It's a very honest and open album, we get to see the "edge" in SD.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 13:56:15 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
For anyone who's never heard Walter's "Whack" you can do the sample thing at Amazon to get some idea...
http://www.amazon.com/11-Tracks-Whack-Walter-Becker/dp/B000002L2L
And again, speculation (by me or anyone else) about possible Walter-centric leanings in the upcoming Dan gig is just that---mere speculation. There's no solid evidence one way or another.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 13:34:27 ET
Posted by: Steely Dumb, I love it!
Bobbo- It was a "Donald Fagen thing" because it was a Donald Fagen solo show. January is a Steely Dan show, not a Walter Becker solo show.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 13:31:41 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, here in the suburbs
11TOW is definitetly worth it! Just don't freak out on first listen like I did. So used to that cool, smooth SD sound and then to hear the visceral, but soulful WB crooning from the depths of....well, who knows really.
But most of us have been there, right?
Down in the bottom where your demons fly
Down in the bottom of the eastern sky
Down in the bottom where your lifeline shows
Down in the bottom where nobody goes
Drowned at the bottom of your mystery
Down in the bottom of the wine dark sea
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 12:08:49 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Yes, 12/30 most likely IS a simple typo and we shouldn't read too much into it.
Warning: Rampant speculation follows
Still, I gotta think that just the mere activity and rustling about on the sounds page might mean that things is a chuggin' along. And the concept of a one-off to promote the new WB opus with an assist from DF and the crew makes some sense, if only from the standpoint of "Walter's my/our good friend and long-time collaborator and we'll gladly do this for him." I think a Dan gig with a certain emphasis on the Walter side of things is a great idea. Who knows, maybe >>>Walter<<< will Wu the lucky few...
While I don't listen to "Whack" too often, I certainly do enjoy it when I pull it out and pop it in on occasion. I do recommend it (not that MY word should carry any significant weight) as "essential" for the serious Dan fan, and of course especially for anyone who enjoys "Slang" on EMG.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 11:34:55 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, lovin' that U.S. Mail....
Well, whattayaknow?! My ticket just arrived, and I ordered mine on Monday! Section B, row X, seat 32...just three from the leftish-middle aisle, 24th row, and what I've heard is a GREAT ROOM. And I believe it.
Now, a little more speculation (and you've gotta forgive me): When Don came out for MORPH, it was strictly a "Donald Thing." Is this really gonna be a "Walter Thing," do ya think?! There's only one album in the lexicon I have never experienced in the least, and that's 11 TRACKS OF WHACK. True story. Should I get down to that now, do you think?! I know, I know, should've been over-and-metered-and-all-figured-out by now, but hey...I'm one of the Steely Dumb. Ask any of my mates on the Texas end of our Danner Family...
So, y'know, HELL. Off to the Amazon I go, to pick up this deal, for good or ill...Geoff, you coolest-of-all transplanted patriots, I hope you're right, and I dig this album as much as you do, old man. Either way, it's "essential listening," right? Right.
Buy the ticket, take the ride (and accept no wooden nickels). If it is a "Walter Thing," I'll be prepared; solemn vow.
As for Chumash: If anyone else is coming from "afar," let a fellow know, and I'll try to be in Right Places, and at Right Times, y'know? Big Fun comes to YOUR coast this January. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 10:57:05 ET
Posted by: chris, ma
my guess is 12/30/06 is a typo... they probably meant 11/30/06. i would bet that when the release date is announced it will be more than a month away...
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 10:08:43 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Double Helix explained.
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0603/15doublehelix/
I believe Cloniger is referring to Aja as the most obscure if you read it carefully. But we all know who Aja is from watching "The Making of Aja" DVD straight from Donald himself.
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 09:22:22 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
So there it is.... WB and his new CD out at the first of the year(12/30/6) and performed live with SD Band at Chumash
Thanks Daddy G for speculating morning
Date: Fri, December 01, 2006, 03:49:48 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Alkali, thanks for posting the Cloninger article on the 29th; I finally got around to reading it. I must comment on his choice of the "most obscure" lyric. "Double helix..." is probably a slightly more obscure analog to "The spore is on the wind tonight" from "Rose Darling". And I always thought that "the hardware" was a reference to what were collectively termed "marital aids" in my younger days. Assuming I am correct here, I doubt that I am enlightening many readers of this board, which is the point I am trying to make. I have seen a lot of more obscure references logically explained here by more serious students of SD lyrics than I am.
GW
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 23:51:40 ET
Posted by: Steely Empire??, Coachella, Nexus of the INLAND EMPIRE
It is no coincidence that the now preferred venues for the Dan (Native American) have been inspired by what might have been the Greatest SD show ever.
SOBOBA! SOBOBA! SOBOBA!
The Jewel of the Inland Empire. Home of the most rabid Danfans!
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 23:28:40 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Well, there's really not much there yet of great interest and nothing really concerning the new as yet untitled one. Still, the main thing is just that there are signs that WB's rustling about behind the curtains. For now it's just another little tease to get the anticipation flowing.
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 23:15:50 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Daddy G: thanks for the heads up, I'm going to check it out now.
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 23:12:40 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Walter site update
So I just popped into Walter's place and I see the last update is listed as 12/30/06. OK. What gives? Anyway, I see there's stuff under the "sounds" link now, though no actual sounds that I can tell. Still checking it out. Looks like some simple discography type stuff (Whack & SD albums) and then a listing of "entries coming soon..." for "wb sightings [ of interest ]."
I got all excited thinking there might be actual, you know, sounds there, but no dice (to use a "heavy rollers" pun). But at least it's hinting at things to come. (Maybe even by 12/30/06?)
There are iTunes links, but I'm not an iTunes user. Looks to be just for existing stuff anyway. I hope that anything new will be sampled as mp3s or streaming audio or something directly from wb.com.
Possibly looking more and more like the Chumash gig will have something to do with helping to promote or at least unveil Walter's new one. Stay tuned...
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 22:52:35 ET
Posted by: Cornflakes and Camels, dark outer limits
See what happens when you have a nagging girlfriend?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL6h06wqLy0&mode=related&search=
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 18:28:15 ET
Posted by: angel,
Thanks Steely Doc. ;-)
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 17:45:05 ET
Posted by: it, was
Peg
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 15:57:15 ET
Posted by: angel, Wondering
So, what tune was it?
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 15:40:13 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Gretchen, that was beyond odd. Nothing says friendship more than Alan Alda and I love Alan Alda. That was his autobio they were reading, great book. Great tune!
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 14:03:30 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, oh, hello
This is weird (scroll to the paragraph that says Comedy).......
http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/11/29/pencil_this_in_124.php
G
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 13:57:22 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Adding to the meaningless, but funn speculation...I think some casino-appropriate tunes would certainly include(but not be limited to) a little Gold Teeth... a little Time out of Mind.......
Besides,WB/DF speculation is comparable to let's say, the pre-show speculation by sportcasters, former athletes, done before football games. And that's televised!
Can you imagine if Blue book chatter was televised? I mean, I can imagine the visual: Hoops serving as moderator for a panel of frequent bluebookers-chatting about who'll take over the vocals- Fagan or Fogleberg....
Now THAT's and idea for a Steely Dan DVD
Absotively!
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 13:24:29 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Arising at an ungodly hour this morning, I spent a few pre-dawn minutes looking to crack the Nostradamus missive, here's what I have gleaned so far my exhaustive research:
Criteria Studios in Miami is a famous facility opened in 1958 which has been the birthplace of such records as Layla, Manassas, Saturday Night Fever just to name a few, a favorite of people the likes of James Brown, Aretha, Allmans, CSN and many many others.
Me personally, I really doubt D&W spent a few months after the Sugartooth tour down there messing with Pro Enhance "A." I couldn't find any mention of this supposed new digital recording process. The only thing I found called "Pro Enhance" was a penis enlargment system whereby you slap a patch on yourself and your unit grows another three inches. So after I signed up for a six-month supply, I looked into CEO Rolfe Weppner. Not surprisingly, he doesn't exist, unless the Bavarian motocross pro of the same name has undergone a serious career change.
So it's the usual funny business from the Jesters of the Steely Empire. The only part I'm buyin' is the part about a summer tour in exotic locales, i.e., the Orient and the Continent, plus Great Britain which is a whole different thing altogether.
BTW, Pimms Cup is an English tonic, a gin-based potable with quinine and herbs, reddish in color, not very potent as far as alcohol content and usually imbibed at daytime affairs like Cricket matches by the fairer sex and it would take a boatload of it to get sauced-up on. Oh, Aunt Agatha might get tipsy after three or four but just enough to get the giggles.
As for a "wench-a-thon" up and down the beach, alas, significant others tend to frown upon this type of activity and menfolk of a certain age can dream but that's about all. Unless you overdose on the Pro Enhance patch and get yourself into a dire circumstance.
Tally-Ho,
Baba Look-Out-This-Thing-May-Blow Rajah
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 13:08:37 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Suddenly the music hits you...
REDDING'S ELLIOT SCHEINER
He now has an Emmy to his credit
by Janis Gibson
http://www.acorn-online.com/news/publish/article_11081.shtml
Elliot Scheiner, one of the most sought-after producers and engineers in the recording industry, has added an Emmy to his collection of awards, which includes five Grammys.
Mr. Scheiner won in the Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Variety or Music Series or Special or Animation category for recording and mixing 'The Eagles Farewell I Tour — Live from Melbourne,' which was shown on NBC.
. . .
After his nearly 35 years as a freelance engineer and producer and more than 100 recordings that have gone gold or platinum (representing minimum sales of 500,000 or one million, respectively), the Emmy is not going to generate more business for Mr. Scheiner, but he remembers the effect of his first Grammy. It was for Steely Dan’s album 'Aja' in 1977.
“The next morning I got a call from someone I hadn’t worked with before asking me to come to England for a week’s work,” he recalled. “I had a lot of work lined up, and it was only for a week, so I wondered what would happen if I doubled my rate — these thoughts were running through my head as we talked — so I gave him the double rate and he said, ‘No problem.’ Those were the years when money wasn’t an object in making music; people knew if they made a good album, they would make the money back in sales. That is no longer true.”
. . .
Mr. Scheiner calls himself a testament to a changed industry. After 9/11, using advance technology he built a home studio where he now performs about 60% of his work. At the time of this interview, he was developing a 5.1 Surround Sound mix using large plasma screens that will be introduced by Panasonic at the Consumer Electronic Show in Las Vegas in January. “There will be a screen with each speaker that will show the individual musicians as they play,” he said.
He is also working with Panasonic. Mr. Scheiner developed the ELS Surround Sound system that was introduced in the 2004 Acura TL and is now available in the Acura RDX and MDX as well. He makes regular trips to Japan to update and tweak the system to accommodate model year changes.
He is also finishing up The Eagles’ new CD and working on a Jerry Lee Lewis special for PBS. Perhaps candidates for even more awards?
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 13:00:47 ET
Posted by: angel, still giggling
G Grant: "Steely Rod McJackoff" Tour!
My laugh of the morning. Thanks for that. :-)
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 12:52:48 ET
Posted by: Pheromone for Tots, Orange County
I just bought my tickets for the show on January 19, which happens to be my 30th Birthday as well. My exuberance is overwhelming.
I saw two shows in 2006, Irvine and Vegas. The Irvine show very spectacular with Vegas being a let down. The guys sounded great but In Vegas I felt like a prisoner at Folsom listening to Johhny Cash. The need for security personell watching every row at the Alladin was an extreme downer....
I look forward to this event and know it will be a most excellent time.
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 09:47:56 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Back from Weirdsville
Okay Then,
Before I even scroll down the Blue this morning and take some (necessary) chastisement for getting weird on poor Tristan yesterday, I'll come right out and say:
Man, I DID get a little phanatical for a moment there, huh? Sorry, Trist, so sorry...are we cool? Godamighty, sometimes ol' Bobbo jumps right OVER the Steely bandwagon, and still thinks he's ridin' shotgun! So, y'know, sorry fellas. I'm cool now; thanks for bearing with me, okay?
Okay. Now I'll go and see what sort of weird shitstorm I've likely stirred up in here, and then, y'know, I'll wait for some dust to settle before getting the old dander up again. Selah.
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 09:09:24 ET
Posted by: TJ,
No it´s not you fool!
Date: Thurs, November 30, 2006, 09:08:20 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Denmark?!?!?!?! Is this for real?
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 22:14:06 ET
Posted by: G. Grant, Richmond, VA
Just read something from an music insider's source:
"Seventies rock hipsters Steely Dan plan to embark on a summer overseas tour with stops in the British Isles and Denmark including an Indo-Pacific loop with stops in Bonalbo Australia, Borneo and Hong Kong. Building on their most successful shows of their 2006 Sugartooth McDan tour, a short fall tour of Native American establishments across the US will follow with the final stop being possibly Foxwoods in early Dec 2007.
The tour management group having experienced the huge monetary boost realized by promoting Steely Dan and Michael McDonald as a twin bill in 2006 as well as set lists consistent with the knowledge level of the casual pop fan have put together for 2007, hoping to double their profits a quad bill of Steely Dan, Rod Stewart, Michael McDonald with special guest JOE JACKSON. The quad bill has been dubbed the "Steely Rod McJackoff" tour with ticket prices starting in the $200 range with availablity beginning in the month of May"
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 22:00:28 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Bobbo that was a funny post.
So if the 19th o' January is a taping for a DVD my biggest interest is the set list. There's no way around this point I'm afraid, so when you chime in try not to presume too much and bury these guys before it even comes down.
Here is the 2000 Plush set list: Songs with an asterisk were played on the summer 2006 tour.
Green Earrings *
Cousin Dupree *
Bad Sneakers
Janie Runaway
Josie *
FM *
Gaslighting Abbie
Black Friday *
Babylon Sisters
Kid Charlemagne *
Jack of Speed
Peg *
What a Shame About Me
Pretzel Logic
That list might have a mistake or two in it, not meant to be authoritative, but half the Plush songs were also in the 2006 setlist. If there's a new DVD, I hope they drop the repeats altogether and move in the other oldies that didn't make it in 2000 but are being played now (Bodhisattva, Aja, etc.) and complement those with any other new stuff, whether it's Walter's album, Morph, EMG....whatever.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 21:54:22 ET
Posted by: WasNotWas, Here I Am!
Happy Birthday to you....
Happy Birthday to you....
Happy Birthday dear KEITH CARLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy Birthday to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 21:48:23 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Amen, Chan!!!
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 20:35:55 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Well all the speculation about what the 07 tour will look like has certainly been entertaining to read. I have been reading everyones posts and taking it all in. I have no idea how anyone can be finding fault and being negative about what may or may not happen. The fact that there is even one show scheduled at this time is great. Knowing that in some shape or form there will be other shows to see, or DVD's to watch and listen to, or new music to hear should be enough to make true fans happy. I am more than content to take it all in and wait.
For now I am psyched for my west coast friends that will be going to the Chumash show. If time allowed I'd be out there to join you. You are going to have a great time, enjoy. If they only play greatest hits, so what, its what they want to play. If its being recorded, yell loud so I can hear you when I listen.
Lets just wait and see how this all unfolds and enjoy the ride. Keep the speculations coming, but for those that are looking to find fault, leave the negativity elsewhere.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 19:47:27 ET
Posted by: Alkali, rounding 56th strret
Hey kids,
We’re on our way to the tree lighting at rock center, just thought I’d check in.
If you happen to be watching on tv tonight, I’m the one with the hat on and my wife is the one standing next to me.
Anyway, my cousin sent me a link to a pretty good review by a Curt Cloninger called “Stick it in your ear” it’s a good read.
(forgive me Hoops if it’s too long)
Here’s a chunk of it, enjoy!:
“Much has been written about Steely Dan (Walter Becker and Donald Fagen) as jazz/pop tunesmiths and accomplished arrangers, but I'm focusing here on their lyrics, which have also been pored over by many a '70s music critic in great speculative detail. Perhaps with my wealth of literary knowledge I can bring some new insight into the mysterious lyrics of the Dan. Probably though, I'll just muddy the waters even more and enjoy doing it. Join me, won't you?
Becker and Fagan are masters of the cryptic short-short-story lyric. Most Steely Dan songs drop us into the middle of some elaborate plot that is either stream-of-consciously mused upon by the song's main character, or subjectively sketched by some leery omniscient narrator. Steely Dan gets all caught up in the details without ever bothering to explain the context. Such is their genius. This approach would never fly in a novel, but it works marvelously in a lyric. We get all the charm, atmosphere, ambiance, and mystique of a pithy hard-boiled detective novel without ever knowing whodunit, much less what they dun.
While other narrative lyricists (Don McLean, John Prine) strive to pen the Hamlet of their genre, Steely Dan settles for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. They skip the headlines and turn straight to page 15 for the back story – "While Holding Entire Town Hostage with Guns and Explosives, Son of Oregon Accountant Discovers in His Mind the Mechanized Hum of Another World. Details at 11." By focusing on such marginal minutiae, Steely Dan gives us "the rest of the story," the part that even Paul Harvey doesn't know. Umberto Eco might observe that Steely Dan reveals the rose's proper name. (Her name is Darling, by the way.)
Cyberpunk pioneer William Gibson (coined the term "cyberspace," sadly remembered for the screenplay to Johnny Mnemonic) cites Steely Dan as one of his primary literary inspirations. Ironically, Steely Dan cite beat novelist William Burroughs (coined the term "heavy metal," sadly remembered as the old guy in the Nike ads) as one of their primary inspirations. Becker and Fagen read Gibson. I wonder if Gibson reads Burroughs. Regardless, there is a lot of literature orbiting the Steely Dan nexus. And you thought it was just some guy not wanting Ricky to lose that number.
Becker and Fagen met at Bard College, Fagen graduating with an English major. The band has always attracted inordinately well-read listeners. One extensive Web site devoted entirely to interpreting Steely Dan lyrics includes allusions ranging from Homer to Ken Kesey. The more obscure the lyrics are, the more divergent and subjective their interpretations. Incidentally, "Aja" is the most obscure Steely Dan lyric. "Double helix in the sky tonight/ Throw out the hardware/ Let's do it right." Such specific vagueness keeps the code-breakers coming back (and back, and back). But we will do better to focus on the larger picture.
Steely Dan's songs are mostly about addictive behavior - drinking, drugging, gambling, prostitution, and jazz. As a rule, I don't enjoy depressing music, but I'll take ironic realism over unfounded optimism any day. And when it comes to irony, Steely Dan delivers. These lyrics should be circulating in political pamphlets, or at least set to some sort of angst-ridden noise. Instead, they are couched in infective jazz pop tunes, many of which evince such a sparkling transcendent lightness as to be almost unbearable. These tunes are themselves a drug. Such musical eloquence coupled with such scalding cultural criticism and unapologetic narrative obscurity makes for one danged subversive listening experience.
In response to "We are the world/ We are the children," Steely Dan observes, "A world become one, of salads and suns/ Only a fool would say that." In response to "I found the greatest love of all inside of me," the Dan ask, "Will you still have a song to sing when the razor boy comes and takes your fancy things away? Will you still be singing it on that cold and windy day." Is the razor boy the grim reaper of cocaine addiction? So some say.
THE CHARACTERS
How two Yankee college grads sussed up and represented the dregs of urban humanity more evocatively than either Raymond Chandler or Francis Ford Coppola is difficult to speculate. Steely Dan's lyrics are populated with murderers, drug runners, drug addicts, small-time L.A. fashion playa's, yokels, shell-shocked Vietnam vets, washed up negro jazz greats, and every 9-5 schmo next door dreaming of lounging poolside at a plush Miami hotel sipping coconut-cradled, umbrella-laden daiquiris while his wife remains conveniently back in Hackensack washing the dishes.
But rather than generalize and dilute, let's meet some of the actual characters themselves. From your hazy '70s radio days, you may already know Peg, Josie, Rikki, Nineteen, and Deacon Blues. But have you met Lonnie the kingpin, Felonius the gentleman loser, or the corpse of William Wright? Do you know Buzz, Charlie Freak, Doctor Wu, Mr. LaPage, Carlo, Kid Charlemagne, and my man Pepe? Let's not forget the women – Rose darling, Snake Mary, Lady Bayside, Louise (pearl of the quarter), Broadway Duchess, Ruthie, Lucy, Aja, and Jack's Eurasian bride? Yo, my funky one, any major dude with half a heart surely would tell you to include Hoops McCann (you know, schoolyard superman? Jungle Jim?), Jack with his radar, Klaus and The Rooster, Babs and Clean Willie, Chino and Daddy Gee, the Mayor, The Archbishop, and Jive Miguel. And what list would be complete without the historical figures – Napoleon, Good Kings Richard and John, the Queen of Spain, Cathy Berberian, 'Retha Franklin, Mr. Parker's Band, Elvis, The Eagles, and yes, even Steely Dan.
It hardly seems possible that all these divergent characters could be introduced in a mere seven pop albums. How could a reference to, say, The Eagles fit unobtrusively into a pop lyric? So glad you asked. The speaker of "Everything You Did" catches his wife and "the bastard" in acts unmentionable (and indeed unmentioned in the lyric itself). He reprehends his wanton spouse thusly, "I never knew you were a roller skater. You gonna show me later. Turn up The Eagles, the neighbors are listening." Too classic.
What about experimental operatic diva Cathy Berberian? What role does she play in this sordid menagerie? "Tobacco they grow in Peking. In the Year of the Locust you'll see a sad thing. Even Cathy Berberian knows there's one roulade she can't sing. Dumb luck, my friend, won't suck me in this time." Interpretation? – "The inevitability of bad luck is chance's only surety," said the wise gambling man to the double-or-nothing Reno seductress – or so I infer. I imagine twelve trippin' hippies gathered around the feet of Becker and Fagen. One bold disciple pipes up and asks, "Masters, explain to us the meaning of the parable of the locust and the unsingable roulade."
The fact that this band had at least one song in the top 40 throughout most of the '70s is one of this century's strangest pop culture anomalies.”
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 19:42:36 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA 28 degrees @4:42 PM
As someone else posted a few days ago, "startickets"is pretty efficient. Received my tix today after ordering them 6 days ago…small service charge compared to ticketbastards. However I will never order over the phone without a seating chart in front of me. Rookie mistake. Live and learn.
Hey BoBo
Great post!! Couldn’t agree with you more. See you there.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 19:18:23 ET
Posted by: Bob, TX
HOOPS
Would you pleassssse tell us all what is going on here with the boys?????
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 19:13:33 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Haven't seen it mentioned here...SD's Uncyclopedia page has changed:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan
New picture, updated text. Enjoy!
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 18:16:03 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida room
Personally, I want to hear more speculative musings on the nostrodamus predictions....
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 17:02:28 ET
Posted by: Dominique de Villepin , rue St. Denis
We await le Steely Dan!
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 16:16:35 ET
Posted by: Chris, ma
tristan, your post made me smile. this board is for steely dan discussion, so when there's steely dan news after a long stretch of time without any, and some is announced, believe it or not we're going to discuss it.
for those of you complaining about ie7, i would reccomend firefox - although i think that does away with the toolbar as well, i very rarely had any problems surfing the web back when i used it on my pc.
the more i think about this show, the more i think it's the taping of a dvd. if no other dates are announced in the near future then honestly all signs point to it; it's a small crowd, it's a funky location, and the fact that it's mad expensive and was announced on their website the day before tickets were on sale means that it's going to attract die hards, mostly (perhaps dancing die hards?) maybe the dvd would conincide with a summer 07 tour, or this will feature new becker stuff and the dvd will coincide with the release of that.
my only other idea is that it's a warm up for an overseas tour that will be anounced soon.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 15:27:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I'll be more excited than Borat with 4th best prostitute in Kazakstan.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 15:17:38 ET
Posted by: Hey Rajah , F them
I am looking foward to Jan 19. I just hope that I am not to close to you.I think that turban will be spinning at mach 2. And I dont want to get caught up in that vortex and end up in the land of oz.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 14:26:16 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, No, it is sad when...
...people try to tell others what to do and pass judgment on how they live when they don't even know them.
This site is a happy diversion, that's all. And I wish I could go on the 19th but since I can't I'll take all the obsessing and speculating I can get.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 14:17:57 ET
Posted by: Beverages 4 Free!, Time Out Mountain
Looks like it's a fine idea to open some windows for a little fresh air, but you could also watch the next videoclip for some comic relief instead. It'll take your mind off of things. Or not lol!
http://www.cafedescargot.com/Movies/blondes.wmv
(courtesy to dr Wu for sending it in)
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 14:00:50 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Approaching Weirdsville over Tristan (you FASCIST)
Tristan,
Listen, man, just shut the fuck up, right now. You obviously do not understand the vibe that a few of us share, and FUCK man, we use first names in here; we're friends! We do no obsess on the band, or a particular show or stream of conversation; however, we are INGENIOUS, COMPLEX PEOPLE, capable of great feats of multi-tasking and taste analysis and travel-oriented deconstruction.
Now, I like you: your spelling is up to par, and your sentences begin and end like, y'know, sentences; and I like your style, personally. I really do. You're obviously a Steely Minimalist, in an early stage of "becoming." That's where you've missed the boat (but Thank Ye Gods, not THE boat) on THE DAN THING.
If you've ever seen LWO describe what "Sign In Stranger" means to her, or Girl Margaret drying her hair just right, "just in case that Carlock Man-cutie-GOD looks my way" (and she has LOTS of hair, Trist ol' buddy), or seen Geoff smile as he pounds (Geoff never strums) "Don't Take Me Alive" on an old Yamaha acoustic...
Brother, you don't know. You mean well, and you'd like us to all go on and shop for the Holiday (most of us are 75% done, I'll bet you a hundred dollars right now), and sit around and think about something Spiritual and Jesus-ish and Nice, but listen:
I am a Christmas NUT. My birthday is December 24th, and that is the truth. "Me and Jesus and Steve Wariner and Jimmy Buffett," is what I always like to say about that. I have more children to buy for than you will ever meet, or know. Believe it. I enjoy this last part of the year (the Fourth Quarter, they call it in the corporation where I'm employed, and Godamighty how I hate that--I have always LOVED October, November, and December, and wish we still called 'em that, collectively)! It is a fine, high time.
So, y'know, DO NOT KNOCK ON THE DANNERS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION, is all I'm trying to tell you. Your intentions are good, and well-taken by many of us (or they'd be calling you names that I dare not repeat for fear of my eternal mediocrity in Baptist "Heaven", which still sounds boring to me). For Christ's sake, man, it's Christmas! So, y'know, shut up about Christmas, already. Most of us Danners operate on such a high level of multicontiousness, you'd be amazed that we know what month it is, let alone which day of the week...but we do. We do.
So, y'see? I don't want to be mean to you, man! Honest mistake! Thanks for your input; now, tell me: have you bought your ticket yet? If you're a big enough fan (and that's strictly up to you, it is a free country still, and gettin' more free every day), you might. You just might. I know I have, and I'm kind of content about it...
And that's all fine and good! Just please, understand one thing, and this is where I get weird: WE DO NOT HACK ON RAJAH. Understood? He's whack, yes, but he's OUR kind of whack. And I forgive you. Happy Christmas, kid. Love and peaches from the Edge of the Desert! Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 13:58:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah, dept of redundancy dept.
What I know about is their body of work. That's what I know about, Cosmo.
You're as annoying as a broken record. Flip it over forgoodnessakes.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 13:45:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
TB
I have a life...and this is a small part of it.
I 'm grateful for the people who contribute to the Blue
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 13:27:38 ET
Posted by: TF, III, NYC
Rajah -- I am as big a fan as anyone of SD. Trust me. It is just sad when grown, mature (assumption here) people obsess over a band. It is usually a sign of something missing in one's life. You and others profess to know all about SD, yet NO ONE foretold of the January 19th show in the middle of nowhere. Go enjoy it and then obsess over the "next one." Passive-aggressive. No. Direct communication = yes. GET A LIFE and then enjoy the DAN whenever you can and whenever they are in your town. Out here.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 12:12:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah, time for a flame
I will defend my right to examine, explore, consult, prob, pry, sift through or scrutinize pretty much anything that peeks my interest so while I also defend your right to opine, having considered your instruction, I respectfully decline.
As for getting a life, my poor experience has been that people who utter these types of trite and banal imperitives are usually passive aggressive control freaks.
On with the conjectures.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 11:42:06 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, On Broadway
Given the time of year and all . . . it may do everyone here some good to GET A LIFE and not worry about every micro-movement of the DF and WB. Seriously. Wait for a new album -- it'll be okay. If the tour this summer, cool. If not, enjoy your life and wait until 2008. Hapopy Holidays.
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 08:45:41 ET
Posted by: Not Your Donald,
DF's site on Tour button shows SD with MM tix on sale , but no dates
Date: Wed, November 29, 2006, 08:30:54 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Fife
Ask your hubby if he knows how the audience was selected for the Walking Tour. I read somewhere that each taping had 300 people in attendance. Did they pay?
Heavyrollers Tour will be held at Indian Casinos through out the summer?????????
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 23:17:01 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Raj, Walking Distance Tour, eh. Well according to Hubby that was 3 shows they did in the winter of 2000 just before they did 2VN tour in the summer of 2000. So if that is the case it stands to reason that there is a very good chance they will tour in the summer of 2007.
The only thing I know is that all the whispering of a 2007 tour that was done in the summer seems to be coming to fruition.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 20:08:58 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
It's nothing new or fresh, hemiola. It's a circular reference to last week's item about Walter and Donald checking out equipment and a studio in Miami. But thank you.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 19:41:17 ET
Posted by: hemiola, s west
Hi all,
From a steely dan google alert.. the boys in Miami recording? tleewaor.blogspot.com
scroll down half way and then a midge
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 19:13:09 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Thanks youse for the IE 7 warning...I was just about to download it, but thanks to you....nahhhh! I do like firefox.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 17:47:29 ET
Posted by: Scrawler,
Yep, Internet Explorer7 here too. I hated IE7 so much after I downloaded it I called Microsoft to complain about it. "Why the hell did you have to make it so radically different than Internet Explorer6?", I said. The rep said, "We were trying to eliminate certain function and thereby make it easier to use.". I said, "Yeah! But you eliminated all the freakin' functions I like to use!". He said they've recieved alot of complaints about IE7, but didn't say what they were gonna do about those complaints. Probably nuthin' right?
This is EXACTLY what pisses me off about these absentminded professors who permeate every last aspect of human life these days... THEY CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE! If something is working they STILL feel the need to change it just so they can call it "New And Improved!". I swear, whenever I hear that something is being marketed as "New And Improved" I bolt in the opposite direction!
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 17:06:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Pixeleen needs that swirling clarinet and piano arpeggios along with, is that a triangle I hear in there? Anybody recall how it was arranged in Camden or Scranton?
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 16:26:29 ET
Posted by: Don Raucher,
I have had problems loading df.com in the past with different browsers (IE, Netscape, Firefox). At first only some of it loads in, then after a while, none of it does. I also noticed this happening on a few other sites, while most websites came in fine. I fixed the problem by changing the MTU on my router.
This obviously will not pertain to everyone (especially if you don't have a router), but it worked for me.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 16:14:14 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, mor-ph opportunities
KMTT, the station that aired one of the pre-tour interviews with WB in June, is running a Top 10 CD's of 2006. MTC is amongst the choices and votes must be in by 12/15/06.
Here's the link: http://kmtt.radiotown.com/top10/. Not sure if you have to sign up with the station first or not, since I was signed up from last summer.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:48:15 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Camden
Pixeleen live? Check out the Scranton and Camden shows. Pixeleen is okay live, but not great. Gustav Mahler is in agreement with this, too.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:44:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I have IE7 here at the office too. I've never liked it and now I know why. Dang it, where's the friggin Toolbar on this thing?
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:36:23 ET
Posted by: JH,
I can't load df.com either, I just downloaded IE7 today...I suspect that might be the problem?
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:21:00 ET
Posted by: DWSB, Sverige
Alkali, thanks for the comment. I realize everyone in here is tunneled or channeled chewing on the ~Chumash thang, but with your comment you HIT the jackpot where these two Swedish dames are concerned. That's exactly what they aimed to do when singing these Becker/Fagen songs in these honest acoustic renditions. It really focusses on the songwriting, the lyrics and the mood of the composition, which is a pretty darned good job.
if you would like to hear more, visit www.moule.se or for the audio interview file,
http://www.pergunnareriksson.se/cover57.htm
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:15:00 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yup, IE6.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:12:08 ET
Posted by: Scrawler,
Nope. Just checked DF's site and the front page isn't loading right.
Just curious, are you guys using Internet Explorer for your browser?
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:11:25 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., In wait and see patient mode
Well, I'm willing to be patient and see what transpires (vicariously) at Chumash. The confusing bit is the Nostradamus thing talking about summer of 2007, but this lone gig (so far) being in January, which obviously is not summer here in the northern hemisphere of the western world. So I can't help but wonder what gives and what it might signify. Yes, I think too much, but I also remain neither optimistic nor pessimistic---just simply mistic(?). Time and/or the magic 8-ball will reveal all. Try again later.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:05:00 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yeah, Donald's site (front page or otherwise) loads fine for me too. Have not noticed any problems at all. Usually I just go right to Lexi since that page has the most frequent updates, but sometimes I go to the front page just to double check things and in fact just did so.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 15:04:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah sweetheart but the Walking Distance Tour was comprised of about 3 dates and it was the same time of year. So "Tour" could be just about anything. C'mon, fife, what else do you know, spill it sugar.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:52:32 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh
Haven't had any problems loading Donald's web site and I'm using the Jurassic 1.1 PC.
Here's the reason Don and Walt are putting on a show in Jan. They need the cash man!!!! Their Christmas bills are astronomical with having to buy presies for the family, the band, and whom ever else they need to butter up. Or how about this. They are bored out of their friggin minds and being the old dears that they are want to keep performing so that they can feel useful. I mean it's not like they have to show up for work 9 to 5 is it. It can be mighty tedious laying in bed until 11am every day.
Is it possible to think way too much about something that really is quite simple? They announce they are going to tour, they have set one date and already the pessimists in the club have them announcing their break-up, doing the same set list(if they enjoy playing it I love to listen to it by the way no matter what it is) and doing this gig as a oneoff. I do believe tour is a plural the last time I looked.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:44:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Lemme think about it...
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:44:06 ET
Posted by: Screed Of Ages,
Betcha' they have some new faces on this tour here and there...
Remember Bonnie Raitt?
NYR&SR?
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:42:37 ET
Posted by: Looking forward to, Shoesmash
Jan 19 cant come soon enough.I would give Rajahs right arm to hear pixeleen.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:37:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Donald's site has been messed up since the weekend.
Could this be a promo for Whack II? But isn't Ted Baker missing? That Nostradamus thing sure sounds like Walter.
How about "The Songs We've Never Played on Tour - Tour?"
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:33:12 ET
Posted by: Scribbler,
I wouldn't say that. Donald has contributed quite a bit to his site with the whole "Lexi Says" thing and the whole interview thing with Tom Schiller.
Now if he could just get that front page to load properly...
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:29:35 ET
Posted by: Screenwriter yes, for quite awhile now
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:28:12 ET
Posted by: Will,
Daddy G. It signifies that Walter has a better webmaster than Donald. That's about it.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:23:39 ET
Posted by: Screenwriter,
I'll ask this again. Has anyone else noticed that Donald's front page doesn't seem to be loading properly? The whole top of the page seems to be missing.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 14:16:21 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I still can't help but wonder if there's any significance to the fact that Walter's site prominently mentioned and linked to the Dan site for info on Chumash ever since the day it initially popped up, but Donald's site remains mum with not a peep about the gig.
Does that indicate some significance on the Walter side of things, possibly an unveiling of sorts for some of the "Whack II" tunes?
Aside from that possibility I also think that some sort of DVD video production of the gig could be in the works. Perhaps the possibility of future sales of such makes the assembling of the band for (as yet) "one night only" more sensible.
Beyond those two wild guesses, I have no clue what's up...
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 13:14:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Does anybody remember how the audience was selected for the PBS taping in 2000 ? That must have been a great gig
Saw a pic of Hoops
Thanks
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 10:34:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I can't figure it out. I consulted my mystical sphere, my cousin Akmed's Ouija board, Dragon lady's I-Ching sticks in Chinatown, I flew my magic carpet to the cave at Cumae to consult the Sybil and dropped a silver dollar into the Fortune Teller puppet at Coney Island. Goose eggs. So it appears we are left to our own powers of deduction, God help us.
The short notice would seem logically to favor the vigilant fan. If you're not on this here board or check the Official site with regularity which I certainly don't during dormant periods, you are shit out of luck, another expression I don't understand.
They pick a place with a state of the art sound system, cause we all dig that sort of thing, just far enough away from the Jungle. It is the Central Cali wine country, it's very nice up there, kind of unspoiled if that's still possible. I mean, thank you Don and Walt, I'm not bitchin', it will be awesome and I use the word advisedly.
And of course the Indian Casino thing continues, the Tribes must shell out a very attractive fee, they certainly got the wampum cause Paleface he love the gaming. BTW, when did gambling become "gaming?"
A live recording? Didn't they do that already? Don't they possess every board recording since from which to select live cuts if they wanted?
The only thing that makes sense is that Wally wants a complete spa teatment. This is it, facial with mud pack and cucumbers, one of those Japanese massages where the Geisha walks on your back (with "happy ending" of course) and he wants to get whipped with eucalyptus branches in the wet sauna.
Well, who doesn't? Shove over, man, Rajneeshy needs a foot rub.
The mystery continues...
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 09:24:15 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, totally lost--HELP!
But what about the small venue? Has this show been advertised in any other medium than the official website (and the venue's, of course)? NO. They want a room full of die-hard, true-blue FANS for this gig, for some reason...breakup announcement? Live record produced (I was saying I really hoped someone would capture this current band in a great-sounding, "buyable" format sometime soon)? Walter's got a TOMMY-esque new "concept" piece, full length, and the only obtainable copy will be a live rendition, backed by our Turtle Talkin' Steely Dan Orchestra, Donald and the Ladies?
Really, really dig deep into that passage, oh my brothers...WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? What's the score? Rajah, forget about the scenery (and dineries and wineries) for a sec, please, oh sage-of-mine, and tell me: what's your take? Gracci', in advance; now, SPEAK. As I will, so mote it be. Pretty please, okay?
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 09:13:00 ET
Posted by: Alkali, Ridgefield, CT.
Wow, nice rendition of "Rose darling".
They’ve slowed down the tempo and accompanied the song with just an acoustic piano placing the emphasis on the lyric and voice.
It makes you appreciate the words that much more, what a beautiful lyric.
“Rose darling” is one of the few Dan songs that confuses me as to the writer, maybe it’s a shared work.
Date: Tues, November 28, 2006, 00:22:02 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Sorry, Bob... I got a little carried away playing Nostradamus.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 20:58:21 ET
Posted by: Flamingo Kid,
How many potatoes do you think you'll eat before you die?
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 19:27:31 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Eric- What in the heck are you talking about?
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 18:10:17 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. Check it out:
"And in the master’s chambers,
They gathered for the feast
The stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can’t kill the beast."
Recognize it? Sure you do. It's from "Hotel California". You don't have to look to close to find the hidden meaning. See the connection -- 'steely'...'beast'(ie). Yes! This could work. It all makes sense now. I mean with the Eagles merger announced this past April, it's all coming together. Finally! In a hotel ballroom! In California! Somebody get me some pink champagne on ice!
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 18:07:04 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, soon to be chumash
I'm in. Row M, center section aisle.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 15:29:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Perish the thought, dat mangled shnozz bastert is so irritating. Plus I don't like the idea of him being anywhere near Carolyn.
How about one of the Beastie Boys subbing for Don? The guy who sings, "Girls?"
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 15:15:30 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
I can't speak with much authority about the self-powered thingy. I just know it sounds a lot better than your average bingo parlor sound system. Come to the think of it, I can't speak with much authority about bingo parlor PA's either. I'm just so excited about this show that set-list wise I wouldn't care if they replayed the Irvine '06 show note for note, (including the search for Owen Wilson). Hell, they could have Owen come out and join in on 'Cousin Dupree', and I wouldn't mind.
Hey wait! There's a thought: Maybe they should contact Owen Wilson about replacing Donald. Think about it. Imagine the possibilities of Owen and Carolyn doing the call and response on Pixeleen!
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 14:53:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well heck, if the Meyer is good enough for Carneigie Hall and Shrine Auditorium, it ought to be good enough for Steely Dan. Which cuts down on costs considerably. That hall at Cal recently got some kind of new Meyer system. Meyer has the self-powered speakers system thingy, right? Suppose to handle the high frequencies.
Pixeleen could go back into that setlist behind these puppies.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 14:35:23 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
Tix arrived Saturday. I had this strange sensation just looking at them. My musical heroes playing in what amounts to a mid-state bingo parlor/showroom with a Meyer sound system, (if they choose to use it), less than two months from now. Surreal. It's the sort of show I've dreamed of since that fateful day in '74 when someone said, "Hey you want to go see Steely Dan tonight at the [Santa Monica] Civic?"
My reply: "Nah, I've got other plans. I'll catch 'em next time."
19 years later.... (to be continued).
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 14:07:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
An unassailable argument.
But what I don't know don't help me either.
Steely Dan is way better at covert operations than our present administration. Steely Dan for Secretary of State.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 13:48:06 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,
Jas
Pick up the phone and call now
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 13:40:56 ET
Posted by: Len,
Rajah- What you don't know...won't hurt you.
"Pretty expensive caravan of players for a one night stand across country".
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 13:16:50 ET
Posted by: Buddy Hackett, free association
It was a joke dammit. Just a JOKE. You can't replace Donald Fagen with anybody else. Pull Moses and Jesus out of the Bible and tell me if the story turns out the same.
Was just trying to see if I could get Donald to call me a "stupid loser" again. I really miss hearing him say that.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 13:07:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
They announced this show on the Steely Dan website last Monday morning, the tix went on sale the next day. No other announcements anywhere that I could find. Is this the start of a small winter tour? Darned if we know. Pretty expensive caravan of players for a one night stand across country.
Many questions, no answers yet.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 13:02:01 ET
Posted by: DWSB,
http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/
ROSE DARLING, videoclip.
ahem, why not replace Donald Fagen with some female vocalists from Sweden?
(just kidding)
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 12:53:53 ET
Posted by: RR Jas,
Chumash questions...
First of all, when did they announce this show???
Is this the beginning of a theatre tour?
Judging by my bad math, this is a 13oo seat +- venue. Slightly larger than Pechanga.
link to a individual seating chart
http://www.chumashcasino.com/entertainment/images/seat_events.pdf
decisions, decisions...
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 12:40:31 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Thanks Raj for the restaurant tip. We booked Buellton not Solvang.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 12:22:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
B-Bo, everyone should really like this part of Cali, i.e., the Santa Inez valley. It touts itself as, "California the way it used to be." Lots of horse ranches, wineries of course, two-lane state highways lined with corrals.
Solvang is very cute even if the Danish theme everywhere gets kinda annoying after a couple hours. It's a tourist trap is what it is but it's all tiny shoppes, no Gaps or Bed Bath & Beyond. Quilt shops, Xmas stores, western antiquey stuff and a ton of chachka. You want wooden shoes? Ya gottem. You want a full Chumash Indian headress? How about a traditional Danish get-up for the lady of the house? Get her into that and you can play the Old Cobbler and the Milkmaid.
There is a dynamite restaurant the missus hauled me into called the, "Hitchin' Post," between Buelleton and Solvang on Rt. 246, I had a rack of short ribs to die for, organic greens, the soup's terrific but you can also score a very refined duck or quail. Place looks like you're in Dale Evans' kitchen but I doubt she and Roy had this local wine selection. No sommelier or any of that fancy BS, just a rockin gang of vinos.
The Casino is brand new, nothing fancy but OK as these establishments go, whatever, it's 90% slot machines, don't expect Mr. Bond at a baccarat table. They do have a Poker room in back, though. There's a restaurant, a breakfast joint and a cafeteria. The hotel looks pretty awesome though, portraiture of various weather-beaten Chumash tribespeople notwithstanding.
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 11:47:00 ET
Posted by: bobbo, alone in the blue?!
Um. Is it me, or have you all disappeared? Godamighty, check that echo! What, is the Blue empty today, for real?! Say it ain't so!
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 11:16:20 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, The Last Resort
Okay Fellas,
I've got my ticket for the show! Awe and hope, anxiety and great expectations for this trip: I've never been further West than Taos, in this lifetime on the continent. Borneo Ann, I'm following your lead...
Please Santa, bring Geoff, and LWO, Toya, and Girl Margaret (no chance of "the Brits," I'll betcha, but try, Santa, please)! Love and neighbors, drink and song, jazz with crunch! And finally, please bring Raja-and-Gretchen-and-Hoops, and the whole snarky, blessed bunch. I know you can, Santa; I still believe in you, old boy. Thanks in advance!
Here's to an early start in '07, gang. I hope the West is as golden as I've dreamed it; and I hope the Ventura highway can handle me (and, y'know, vice/versa). I'm coming either way. See you all there. Selah.
Scared as Hell,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 00:35:51 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Thanks for offering the travel tips, Adorable Ghost. Posts of your kind were among those I had in mind when the blue was undertaken. I can think of dozens of others who should consider apologizing for their posts; your gentleness and kind assistance is welcomed and much appreciated.
jim
Date: Mon, November 27, 2006, 00:09:09 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Its What I Do (Just One Thing)
I was able to find some good pictures from Levon Helm's website of the "Midnight Rambles". I was able to find one photo of DF from 10/21/06. Looks like they are having a great time. Nice intimate setting. Probably great music also.
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 20:29:44 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Thanks, Adorable Ghost for the travel info. A cautionary note: In mid September we stayed at the Meadowlark Inn, which is on the South side of Highway 246, and between Refugio Road and the Chumash if I am not mistaken. While it may be close, I do not recommend it. This time we may end up in Solvang or even Buellton...
GW
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 18:50:18 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, in the corner of your eye
I know this is not a travel advisory site, but I will post a few suggestions to assist my fellow Dannites in having a fantastic time in our little corner of Santa Barbara County. Rest assurred, the Maverick is at most a 10 minute walk to the casino; there is a cab service available if you need a ride to Solvang after 2- but you may just want to park near the Mav and walk back and forth.
There is the Santa Ynez Inn that is a block (not even) from the Maverick but I think it may be on the higher end. Other than the hotel at the casino, the only other place is the Santa Cota Inn. It too is in walking distance- from the casino- but might be the aforementioned "dive". I can say though, that I stayed once and did not see any bugs and had clean towels every day. The 70's decor might add to a "vintage steely era" ambiance.
Not too much wine tasting in SY, I suggest Los Olivos- about 10 minute drive from SY but there are tons of wine tasting touring companies if you need. Los Olivos is a nice little town, concentrated with some of some of the best tasting rooms (in my opinion) and several great places to eat. Ooooh I'm gettin excited!
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 13:56:22 ET
Posted by: ygk, ...
...and btw, if you want to hear some *JAZZ* please check out the link above...
Thank *JAZZ* you!
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 13:54:22 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York Friggin City
So, let me add to the discussion: Jazz is amazing, jazz is cerebral, jazz is fun, jazz is a unique American Artform...so let's have a big of friggin JAZZ here, whad'ya say?
So I helped her move yesterday, and *JAZZ* it went real smooth, so *JAZZ* she is in the Bronx, and I'm staying in Hell's *JAZZ* kitchen...I heard some *JAZZ* last night, and *JAZZ* played some friggin JAZZ!
ygk
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 13:28:45 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, reading material
http://www.pifmagazine.com/vol35/m_clon.php3
G
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 12:16:00 ET
Posted by: Wolverine, Maverick
Replace the "chief fuckwit" with someone darker and edgier? Sure, like with WHO? Gary Coleman?
Fine... where's my security guard outfit? Okay good, now one of you ladies ask me for my autograph. See? Anybody can do it!
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 10:19:15 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Booked at a dive in Solvang
Something I found strange about the Chumash Casino is you can smoke your Chesterfields Kings in the casino part but no Alkie is served while gaming. They serve adult beverages while you dine in the Willows… Who is running that place the Indians or MADD
Guess we will need a sign up list for DD's from Maverick's to the casino
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 09:44:41 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Here at the Dude Ranch
My two cents' worth on the whole Nostradamus screed:
Sounds to me like they're planning to record the performance at Santa Ynez, prior to touring (possibly overseas, probably Asia, perhaps Asia-and-Europe, maybe the U.S. and major World Cities South of the equator as well, but the locations are pure speculation on my part)...in either case, references to recording are definitely made in the passage.
Worst-case scenario for those of us way, way far from Cali is that it will indeed be a fine "one-off" featuring past collaborators, recently added tunes from 2vN, EMG, Morph, and/or Walter's new one, and of course, the knowledge that you've attended the taping of the New Steely Dan Live Record...followed by NO TOUR OF THE U.S. and the standard three- or four-year hiatus (excepting Walter's new one, which almost assuredly won't be promoted by touring).
Recap:
1--Live album mixed from Chumash show, followed by big '07 tour for all who can't make it to the gig, or
2--Live album mixed from Chumash show, representing the primary collective endeavour from Don and Walt (as the Steely machine) for a good long time...unless, of course,
3--Something entirely different occurs, which is of course as likely as anything I've come up with here!
Raj, what's your take (other than the notion that ALL DIE-HARDS MUST DO THE CHUMASH GIG)? I'm all ears, bro. Thanks in advance, and pray the Gods interfere on my behalf in making this trip! Selah.
Date: Sun, November 26, 2006, 09:24:37 ET
Posted by: Don't pay yer, Bill
The format of the Blue has become too jazz oriented of late.
It should return to it’s rock'n roll roots.
To achieve this I feel that the village idiot, the chronic outsider-as-serial-killer, the pseudo-intellectual, self-aggrandising chief fuckwit should be replaced with someone darker and edgier.
Once umemployed, maybe he’ll hook up with Smeagol and they can discuss the mental health issues surrounding the carrying of an anti-social burden for a very long time.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 23:59:50 ET
Posted by: angel,
AGNG: You are right, the tickets came from Michigan. It was a small envelope. Not what I expected it to look like, so be warned.
I got a Solvang hotel 3 miles from the Casino for a $119 internet special. It should work out OK. Drive and try not to attract attention for 3 miles. I think I can do that. :-)
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 22:56:16 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
Wow angel, ticket already in hand? That's pretty damn quick! I just returned from travelling to visit my mom and family for Thanksgiving, and when I read your post, I went out to check my mailbox. Tons of mail, but no tickets, although I didn't expect them yet. The nice guy I ordered from on the phone told me he was in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I don't know where Star Tickets is located, but the fact you got yours that fast is pretty incredible, considering the holiday and all. Cool. I too was impressed that the service charges came to $5 per ticket. Deal!
A friend called tonite and I told him about the show and he was totally surprised, and on his way to immediately order tickets. He had no idea there was a show coming up. Made his day!
I haven't been to the Chumash Casino, but I have been to the area, and it is really nice. Beautiful countryside. Having a little trouble deciding on accommodations; the rooms at the venue start at $235, which is a lot, for me. The Meadowlark Inn down the road, which is $120 and up, bumped up to a two-night minimum as soon as the Casino webpage announced the show. Bastards! There's a real dive for cheap nearby, but the reviews at tripadvisor say it is gross; then there's all of the Solvang stuff, but that's a few miles down the road. If you wanna party at Maverick's after the show,that could be tricky. I don't expect that small area to have really good cab service at 2:00 am on a concert night. If anyone from the area has any insight to share about where to stay near the show/Maverick's, please post it here, or please e-mail me. Thanks.
I saw the Robert Cray Band at the Jackson Rancheria (another California Indian Casino) a few years back. I think that their showroom is about the same size, and there really was not a bad seat in the house. Not a band I would rush out to see again, but they were decent, and we had a really fun evening.
Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving with family and friends ; )
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 21:51:05 ET
Posted by: angel,
Ticket in hand already. This outfit seems professional. No major fees like Ticket Master and tickets arrive the same week.
Bring it on!
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 20:47:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
"One off" has its origins in Jazz-age England, it means a one-shot deal, something happening once and can be used as a noun or adjective.
Bob, don't be like some folks; respect the board, respect the men and women on it and respect the Host.
You cheeky bugger.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 17:48:15 ET
Posted by: chris, back home
Ideas about replacing Fagen are laughable of course, but as far as anyone in the band besides Becker and Fagen, no spot is sacred. Case in point, we now have Freddie Washington on bass after a decade of Barney. I'm open to any changed the band goes through. At this point I'd really like to hear a new guitarist, not because Herrington is anything but exceptional, but because I'd like to hear another hotshot guitar player interpert the classic solos that have graced the Dan's catelouge. Likewise, I think Weiskopf is great (didn't like him on EMG or MTC, but love him live), but there are plenty of sax players that could fill his shoes and give us all a different experience.
As a keyboard player I also have this dream where Jeff Young gets Don's rhodes and adds an organ and clavinet, and Ted Baker comes back with his grand piano... that leaves Don with only his keytar and melodica, but that's about all we hear anyway so it wouldn't be much of a change. I expect that would be a bit expensive, though.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 17:34:15 ET
Posted by: suedave, california dreamin
Following the Good News link that Gretchen dug up an audible surprise escaped from my lips...that was music to my eyes.
I was going to wait for more news, but couldn't stand the thought of direct flights disappearing on me...so I just booked flights to Santa Barbara for the weekend - I would love to join you in the spa. Also noticed the area is ripe with grapes, I suspect there will be some wine tasting that weekend as well. Any tips from the locals? Is there a group mailing list for Chumash that I should sign up for?
I skipped dimensions last night - I was sitting at a table shaped in a big rectangle, as in a meeting or conference room I had probably seen while looking at Solvang lodging. Anyhoo chatting with fellow SD fans enjoying the local wine, two of the group got up and began singing SD songs - we were in the zone and us chatters were swaying in our seats to the music - the singer was doing a great DF sounding lead. then we heard Walters voice and suddenly wondered where the music was coming from..and horrified that we were actually at the show not paying attention, we turned around and were relieved to see that they were just two guys who were great voice impressionists - who were those guys?
what a treat!
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 17:18:45 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
In the same way that rap is 'better than it sounds' the Sack The Principals thread is less peurile, if only for a moment, than one might imagine. If we take ' the deliberate arrangement of sounds' as our definition of music, Kid Charlemagne is just an elaborate set of sounds arranged in a certain way. It now exists separate from Don and Wal and could be used as a template for the production of more 'steely sound' music. Heaps of musicians have written 'Mozart' and ' Bach': It's just a matter of cracking the code and reproducing forms, approaches and mannerisms. Your average joe would be well pleased with these cloned classics. Academic Classical and on-the- bandstand jazz education have worked in this way for yonks: copy the masters until you develop your own voice.
Even the lyrics could be generated from such raw materials as girl's name, loser, locale,
arcane allusion. Would it be art? Yes. Would we be fooled? Quite possibly. Do I want this to happen? No.
But here's the thing. The donkeys and sheep at 'The Rolling Stone' have hurled all manner of barnyard noises at Steely Dan for being too calculated, soulless and over-produced, yet no one has successfully copied the sound. Take any genre, sub genre, niche genre, unique boutique niche subset genre, and you'll find more than one act working in there. For every Black Sabbath there's a Uriah Heep; for every Alannis there's an Avril, but there's no stablemate, no substite, no replacement for The Dan, and that makes them very precious to us.
I'm as sane as the next man, but every now and then, when I see a spinning circular saw blade or chainsaw chain I get, for the tiniest fraction of a second, an urge to find out just what it would feel like to just touch it with my finger. That's the same kind of mad impulse being served by the 'Sack The Principals' thread.
We're probably all familiar with Grandpappy's Axe: 'That old axe belonged to my grandpappy. Of course, it's had a few different handles, and the head's been replaced a couple of times, but it gives me a warm feeling to know I've still got something of his.'
Swap cogs in a Swiss watch and she'll keep weird time. Mess with Steely Dan and you'll end up with Grandpappy's Axe.
Heaps more Bodacious Cowboys SD guitar solos have arrived on youtube. Type in 'peter northcote'.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 16:57:04 ET
Posted by: Barracuda, off the shelf
Libby please... referring to "it" as "IT" is stupid. And then to follow that up with a makeshift psychological profile that doesn't fit "it" is laughable. And as far as getting a kick out of annoying strangers goes, that's what the old man and his friend have been doing for 30 years! Why blame it on "it"? Jeez... stick a few pointers in the suggestion box and ya get fried for it!
So what are you and Napoleon doin' for the holidays?
Can you imagine anyone "sane" wanting to be with someone like that? No I can't either.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 16:30:42 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
I wonder if Hoops has misplaced his eraser? I hope not, cause this board needs a bit of work.
The post about how "it" gets really annoying around holidays is on to something. Guess "it" gets a little lonely and lashes out at those who seem to have more normal relationships. After all, here's an adult who gets a thrill out of annoying strangers; can you imagine anyone sane wanting to be with someone like that? No, I can't either.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 16:06:13 ET
Posted by: Reef Shark,
Sorry. Didn't mean to pick on your God. Nobody says anything when Becker is targeted for deletion.
The emperor has no band.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 15:05:53 ET
Posted by: Aerial View, Looking high and low
First, just to get the obligatory knit-picking in, some "poeple" apparently don't know how to spell "people" either. LOL!
But seriously, me thinks Bob is very likely tongue-in-cheekily pulling our collective legs (or is perhaps honestly, though drastically, misunderstanding), but according to...
http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/1089945
...THIS is in fact the 1/20 show in St. Louis...
______________________________________________________________________
Sat, 01/20/07, 8:00 PM
KHITS 96 PRESENTS
SHOW BIZ KIDS: A TRIBUTE TO STEELY DAN FEATURING GROOVETHANG
The Pageant, St Louis, MO
GENERAL ADMISSION, US $24.00
______________________________________________________________________
For more info on the band check out these GrooveThang pages:
http://www.groovethangstl.com/index2.php
http://www.groovethangstl.com/media/ (Audio samples, including Dan stuff)
http://www.myspace.com/groovethangstlcom
Still no evidence to be found anywhere (at least by me) regarding additional '07 Dan shows other than Chumash. Just didn't want there to be any confusion... Good day.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 14:01:02 ET
Posted by: Bob, Kentucky
there is no such thing as a "one off"
poeple don't know much on this site.
1/19 in California
1/20 in St Louis
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 13:06:07 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks E. Skipper
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 13:00:17 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
I don't know from whence the term "one off" actually derives, but it simply means "one and done."
Whether or not this is a "one off" or if there is more to come, both views at this point are mere speculation (unless some posters are more in the Dan loop than others). All I have to go by is that Nostradamus piece referring to the "summer of 2007," but interpretations are still somewhat cloudy. All will be clear in time.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 11:50:03 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
On upcoming Tour some of you have mentioned that it is a "one off" tour. What does that mean?
Thanks
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 11:48:21 ET
Posted by: Reef Shark, feeding frenzy
And let's not forget the surf music. We're gonna need that too. Right now we need all the help we can get.
And don't worry about Fagen. He'll land on his feet. Maybe he'll hook up with Merle Haggard at synagogue and sparks will fly.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 11:41:14 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Bleecker St.
Are you nuts -- DF not being the singer of SD? DF is the HEART of Steely Dan. Remember -- WB skipped out on Bard College to follow DF after graduation. WB knew DF is "damn good thing" and so should all of you. Wake up!!!
Lonnie
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 11:20:06 ET
Posted by: Jamm'n Jay Rich, close by
nyb
Go see St.Al you sick fuck
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 10:59:11 ET
Posted by: Acid Rain,
Look, there are millions and millions of people who want this guy out of the band, not just me, and there are lots of singers we could hire who could do the job. People like Sammy Hagar, Ted Nugent, or Lemmy Kilmister. Hell, we could even get that Tom Araya guy.
To go in the direction we're looking to go from here we're gonna need new leadership with a fresh perspective. Right now I'm thinkin' it's gonna be Techo-Metal-Country-Dance-Rock or somethin' like that. I'm sorry but Fagen just can't get us there. At this point I'm open to suggestions.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 10:51:48 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, All over
Lurker --
Happy Turkey Weekend to all. Enjoy the football this weekend. Getting ready for more Dan in 2007. FYI -- by agreement with my peeps, I cannot duplicate anything eminating from Roseland 1995, 2003, tour rehearsals from 1993 or tour rehearsals from 2000. Just cannot do it. Sorry. I made a promise.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 09:46:27 ET
Posted by: Everybody Knows My Name,
Did you ever notice that he gets more maniacal around holidays? This might be a job for a professional. He's a hard up case.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 09:33:40 ET
Posted by: Tommy, CA
The dropping Fagen from the band thread is getting old.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 06:53:15 ET
Posted by: NYB,
WHAT?
Why do you people assume that every last ball-breaking anon is ME for? I mean what possible reason could I have for wanting to give these guy an exponential Excedrine headache all the time? I don't even know these two clowns! I know what it is... you're looking for a whipping boy. You're looking for a scapegoat. You're looking for somebody to blame it all on. Well you won't find it here! It's not my fault they can't write and/or perform a Rock song anymore. It's not my fault Fagens Coke can keeps getting stolen. It's not my fault they won't give the people what they want! SO BITE ME!
Having said that, I think Fagen could be replaced by Joan Jett in a pullover sweater holding a keytar. At least she'll stand on the piano and writhe (something Fagen never does)...
P.S.) The next time I correspond with you will be through a group of well selected session players who will only answer your questions in the most generic format possible. Let's see how ya' like that for a while kiddies!
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 06:31:18 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
>>>Tom Barney, for whatever reason, wasn't around in 2007 after a very long run. Change does happen<<<
If I'm not mistaken, it's only 2006 now. LOL
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 06:11:21 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
W1P..I've wondered about the second guitar spot. I haven't really heard Keneally but I'm open to change. I appreciate Herington's playing more now than before, but that spot is NOT sacred...not with so many good players out there.
Tom Barney, for whatever reason, wasn't around in 2007 after a very long run. Change does happen.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 03:00:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I've seen a lot of great artists perform over the last 40 years but very few have satisfied me, spoken to me, like the various Steely Dan incarnations. So, no, we're not trashing them with our criticisms. The Chumash show will no doubt take its place amongst the great moments in their saga. They, above all musical performers, are extremely critical of themselves, almost to the point of manical obsessiveness, so in a way their method and approach lend themself to this type of nitty gritty criticism with tweezers and magnifying glass. Criticism of the finest of finer points.
BTW, there is no Steely Dan without Donald, but you all knew that.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 02:53:54 ET
Posted by: Welcome my friend,
W1P - Why should anyone replace Herington? I see you've been talking to yourself a lot lately here on the Blue. If you want to keep making up this crap do it over at St. Al's. Nobody gives a shit over there. Either that,or keep talking about Pink Floyd cover bands. What a loser.
Astute Observer - Don't let one or two jerkoffs bring you down. Especially Long Island Bill. Steely Dan is touring and all is good with the world!
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 02:14:02 ET
Posted by: Astute Observer, disgusted
The vibe that was going upon the announcement of the Chumash show is totally gone thanks to the various negative posts of certain anon assholes and others. We come in here to contemplate the future of the band and when there is some news the usual few come out and squash any enthusiasm. Its the same fucking thing when the concerts start up and people trash the setlist or Donald and Walter or one or more of the band members. That totally sucks, why the hell can't people ever look on the positive side of things? Why can't we be glad there is a tour and the possibility of some new sounds or new takes on the old ones? This Fagen replacement thread is so inane. Fuck off, Bill.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 01:49:44 ET
Posted by: W1P, Baked Potato
Here's who Steely Dan should get to replace Herringbone -- Mike Keneally or even Robben Ford
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 00:10:01 ET
Posted by: Lurker Steve,
N.Y.Bill, others...your discussion about replacing Fagen is complete crap and might as well be spam. When have you last even been to a Steely Dan concert, Bill?
Why don't you jerk off in your own bedroom rather than in front of everyone in the good ol' blue. Some of you must get hairy palms by typing.
Date: Sat, November 25, 2006, 00:05:36 ET
Posted by: Me, here
Burp,
Fagen feels much of their earlier stuff is from the perspective of a younger person, and he's felt that way for since the late 80's if not earlier. He doesn't feel much of it has held up.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 23:47:43 ET
Posted by: Green Earthling,
Dan Fogelberg. Now that's funny. Why would we want to replace Fagen with more Fagen?
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 23:33:51 ET
Posted by: orger, kentucky
I have 2 other suggestions as possible replacements for Fagen when he leaves, or is asked to leave, the band.
Maybe Dan Foglberg or possible John Mayer.
What do you think?
And what would be the chemistry between either and Walter?
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 23:03:59 ET
Posted by: Green Earthling, cold, daring
Suckerrrrrzzzzzz...
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 22:58:46 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
The Chumash Casino entertainment page --- http://www.chumashcasino.com/entertainment/ --- now shows Steely Dan on the list of appearing performers/shows along with "ShoBox boxing", The Chumash Country Christmas, Jose Feliciano, Kathy Griffin, and Al Jarreau. Here's what they have to say about...
______________________________________________________________________
Steely Dan
Friday, January 19, 8 pm
Tickets $95, $115, $135, $155, $175
Steely Dan's sophisticated, distinctive sound is comprised of complex harmonies and cryptic lyrics mixed with jazz, traditional pop, blues, and R&B. It's a style that has won them three Grammy Awards and platinum sales for their best-sellng album "Aja". Come watch them perform hits like "Do It Again", "Reeling in the Years" and "Rikki Don't Lose That Number", live in concert.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 19:41:23 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY
As long as Fagen is lugging that gorgeous soulmonster Fender Rhodes electric piano to the shows, they can play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star for all I care.
(not to leave out Walter and the rest of the band, but the keys is my true love, especially the Rhodes piano. And I type this as I look roughly two feet to my left at my own Rhodes...)
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 19:11:26 ET
Posted by: Burp The Cat,
Would someone please explain why these guys are so ashamed of thier earlier work? Sure it was simpler, but why does that make it bad?
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 17:57:35 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
Mr.Fogel,Thank you so much for getting my best side in regard to pic posted on metal leg,you caught that special gleam in my eye's as i waited with baited breath to see the boys again and the way the light hits my smile at just the right angle expresses my anticipation for all to see!! lol thanks pete....great shot of the most important thing....fez
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 14:40:55 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
I will try again -
Roseland Ronnie,
How can I contact you? I know
no one wants to give their real
email here because of the "Russian
Spam Cabal" that has infiltrated
poor hoopsies wonderful board.
Send up a smoke signal. Are you
coming to Chumash?
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 14:26:29 ET
Posted by: Hindemith,P.,
"Moonspankster" -
"Godwhacker" and "Jack" are nice but are comparatively melodically and spiritually uninspired.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 13:38:52 ET
Posted by: Show Biz Wiz,
You're right. The Corvais kid will never work. Too macho...
Hmm, maybe if we dress Kelly Clarkson up in a cheap business suit, a pair of dark sunglasses, and told her not to shave for a week, nobody would know the difference? I think we could pull it off. Except for the increased vocal range of course.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 13:28:58 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, West of Chumash
Roseland Ronnie is in the Heeeoooouuuusssssee -- Happy Turkey Day to all.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 13:24:56 ET
Posted by: Again?,
NY Bill - Not funny, please go away.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 13:22:47 ET
Posted by: The Wizzle, no shizzle
Okay check this out. I may have found our replacement for Donald Fagen. I mean, we have him scheduled for an audition but I feel he stands a good chance of getting the job. Yep, ever since David Corvais won runner-up on American Idol I've felt he was a good fit.
See that Fagen? We start looking for a replacement and SNAP! We got one! Whaddya think of THAT ace?
http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/american_idol_2006/mar14_kevin.jpg
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 10:00:46 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, ...
<<<<[Walters]solos over the decade or so have been nice noodling at best -I wonder what happened?>>>>
I guess you must have missed, say, jack of speed, godwhacker.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 09:30:00 ET
Posted by: My Rival, La Jolla, CA
Steelydoc - Thanks for the heads up on Pete Fogel's site. Wow! Those are some amazing shots of the boys! I missed that whole Rock & Soul era so those pictures are really great to see. I see Pete also added some pictures from the San Diego show (that I was at ) from the 2003 tour. Great stuff!
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 09:29:08 ET
Posted by: Hindemith,
Hope ev'yone had a nice Thanksgiving.
Just listened to the studio CD version of "Black Friday" and focused specifically on Walter's guitar solo (that IS Waltness, no?).
If in fact Walt played that solo, it's a very fine one - no wasted notes - a few nice "outside" licks especially at the beginning of the outtro where Walt stacks ascending 4ths - very nice and INTENSE.
His solos over the decade or so have been nice noodling at best -I wonder what happened?
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 09:09:28 ET
Posted by: heymike, suburban sprawl
Happy Black Friday- I think the boys get a few extra royalty checks after today--I've heard it played a few times!
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 08:22:12 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, my motor launch is for hire!
...great new pics at Pete Fogel's site:
http://metalleg.com
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 07:11:47 ET
Posted by: Alkali, Ridgefield, CT.
Happy Black Friday!
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 04:59:36 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham
Wizard of Odds:
Becker and Fagen IGNORED you??!!??
Surely not!!
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 04:15:22 ET
Posted by: The Wiz-Odd, bi-lateral arc of desire
I'm down with THAT. A little sumpthin' sumpthin' for the people!
Suprised you two are still alive after yesterday. Although you're both still fulla stuffing. You can only outrun the authorities at Butterball Turkeys for so long y'know. One of these days it'll be YOU comin' out of that oven in a foil roaster pan with your little red timer popped out!
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 02:59:32 ET
Posted by: Don and Walt, composing with their girlfriends
Maybe they should bring out the fireworks,and lazer lites also.
Date: Fri, November 24, 2006, 00:09:58 ET
Posted by: Wizard Of Odds, when all else fails
I don't know what you're talking about. You couldn't crossreference my name with "NY Bill" if you had a cray computer set up for anagrams. Why are we wasting our time arguing amongst ourselves? Let's get the auditions started so we can replace this guy and start partying again. The sooner we send old Graybeard packin' the sooner we can lure some hot babes back into this thing, Comprende? Come on, lets shove off and leave that guy standin' on the dock. Let 'em go pound his keyboard in an isolation booth. Let 'em enjoy the "Jazz Relics" section on the island of misfit toys.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 23:42:12 ET
Posted by: The Long Island , Kid
Wiz ( I mean NY Bill) You're the only "drag" around here. Take a hike, would ya?
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 23:27:21 ET
Posted by: Wiz,
Uh, and if you caught the same Walter/Mike McDonald interview I did, you would have heard Becker blame Fagen for not wanting to play certain songs (most of which are the very songs I mentioned). Fagen is a drag on SD right now. He's a wet blanket. If I were Becker I would drop him from the lineup and replace him with another singer. It wouldn't be all that difficult to do, and we'd be in good shape before next summer.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 23:21:50 ET
Posted by: . . .,
Famed jazz singer Anita O'Day passes
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-11-23-oday-obit_x.htm
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Anita O'Day, whose sassy renditions of "Honeysuckle Rose", "Sweet Georgia Brown" and other song standards that made her one of the most respected jazz vocalists of the 1940s and '50s, has died. She was 87.
O'Day died in her sleep early Thursday morning at a convalescent hospital in West Hollywood where she was recovering from a bout with pneumonia, said her manager Robbie Cavolina.
. . .
"All I ever wanted to do is perform," she said in a June 1999 interview with The Associated Press. "When I'm singing, I'm happy. I'm doing what I can do and this is my contribution to life."
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 22:17:57 ET
Posted by: Lukas,
Wizbag, you're blaming Fagen for the SD setlist? If you caught his solo tour this year, you'd see that he is not afraid to try new things.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 21:47:49 ET
Posted by: Wizbang,
Well let's see, if you check out the offical SD website you'll see that there is absolutely no change in the band's lineup. One can only assume that the same players equals the same result.
The only thing that might make it interesting is if WB unviels a few of his solo songs on the tour, AND if he can talk what's-his-name into singing the songs people really wanna hear. Like Boston Rag, Change Of The Guard, Kings, Fire In The Hole, King Of The World, Night By Night, Barrytown, ect...
But we already know what will happen don't we? Fagen will put the kabosh and anything that even smacks of emotion, and we'll get the same old boring crap as last time. Fagen of course will laugh his ass off all the way to bank and snicker under his breath about how he took us all for a ride once again. I can hear him right now saying "Suckerrrrr...".
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 21:31:28 ET
Posted by: Frankie,
Naysayers - I never thought that the show will suck, but if we wait until the setlist is posted, uh, wouldn't that also mean that the concert is over?
DUH!
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 21:09:16 ET
Posted by: Naysayers, ?
what's up with folks chiming in to inform us that this show will suck? are they jealous because they're not going? what gives?
there's no indication that the show will suck, there's no indication that it will be great. at least wait until the setlist is posted to bitch.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 19:39:07 ET
Posted by: The Wiz,
Oh yeah, Happy Thanksgiving!
And Fagen and Becker better do some THINKSgiving about what I said before this tour...
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 19:30:31 ET
Posted by: Wizard Of Odds, Vegas Baby!
I dunno if a tour manager is their problem. I think they REALLY NEED a hardcore Rock guitarist to help liven up their live shows. They need SOMETHING to get people up out of their seats. Jazz-Funk alone ain't gonna do it. They really need to write and perform a couple of hard driving Rock songs whether they like it or not. They can't just set their shows up like a wind-up toy and play the same songs over and over again. There's gotta be some spontaneity and free-spiritedness.
But what the hell, I've said this for years and they've ignore me every time.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 18:23:48 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
Do you think the "exotic" local SD is hinting at for a concert is Hawaii?
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 18:19:45 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
TGITG!
Geoff
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 17:49:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wouldn't work, they'd be Shirley Dan.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 17:15:10 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" Did Pete sing that song written by his girlfriend?
That must of been keen. "
You must be talkng about the song , " It's Not Enough " ( written by Townshend / Fuller ) .
Perhaps it is time Don and Walt begin composing songs with THEIR Girlfriends :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 17:06:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
Roseland Ronnie,
Have you given anymore thought
to the "Roseland 95 Matter"?
Oh won't you please make this a
"Happy Thanksgiving"?
How can I contact you? I know
no one wants to give their real
email here because of the "Russian
Spam Cabal" that has infiltrated
poor hoopsies wonderful board.
Send up a smoke signal. Are you
coming to Chumash?
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 17:00:35 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Hey LWO....hopefully you are rooting against the Cowboys??
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 16:08:49 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
PS Thanks Gretchen
My little Christabelle is going to be OK for now and promises to be healthly for Jan 19..of course we have to take her to see Josh Turner next time he is around. Who is this Josh? What daddys wont do
Blessings are knee deep today
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 16:00:41 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Stuffed
Ba Boom! Finally got my tix
Apologies for all the dumb f* questions from yesterday..we were in and out of the ER with my daughter.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 15:42:38 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Hey, The Archbishop of Muswellbrook, a big sign of the Steely Double Cross to you.
Big bushfires brewing to the south west of your town, so Black Friday ought to be on your hymn list. The other big news from Australia comes from the Sydney Stock Exchange: US turkey futures are in the doldrums today. Australian stockbrokers can't explain it. Part of me wants to gobble up a bargain, but I'm afraid of getting it in the neck. It's raining grey men here. I don't want to be done like a dinner. My local priest, Father O'Cranberry, has told me I could do with a large portfolio up my cassock, but I don't trust him any more. What's your advice, Archy? Should I let it roll?
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 15:36:57 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, reelin'
Another SD riff on CBS football! Just makes my day to have two of my favs at once.
I hope everyone is hanging out with friends and family today and counting your blessings! The most fun I've had is teaching the VLWO to roast a turkey. She named it Barbara....hmmmm.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 14:54:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hey all you Steely Dan nut-jobs, baby, you so krazzy, happy Thanksgiving to each and every one of you.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 14:53:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Happy Thanksgiving to all you USA Danfans and anyone else celebrating today.
I figure that there is no newsletter because this will probably be a one-off with few seats and they don't want to shake the tree for those fans who aren't paying attention even at the most unlikely of times. Now keep in mind my track record for "figuring" things hasn't been so hot! So be that as it may…
As far as Nostradamus—of course I got all excited about predictions for Summer Tour '07, perhaps new recordings in Miami, etc. since that piece suggests it. But then again, I think of the last time myself (and helluva lot of others) got crazy for Nostradamus (that's a word I hate spelling), and it was right around the time of the 1991 Gulf War #1. The books were flying off the shelves and that was supposed to be it the world. Not even a 1993, 1994, Roseland 95, 96, 2K, 2K3 or 2K6 tour. And here we are.
So same thing with Nostradamus here. A lot of excitement in just the same way we get excited about what the writings of Nostradamus could mean but may or may not have actually come to pass in the way we think they will.
And who knows if this show will be another Soboba? I'd hate for it to be less than two sets but they really don't say. Could it be DFB'06 length? Hmmm…
Is "Roger" scalping tix? If so, please e-me privately--I'll take care of it.
Thanks again for everything.
jim
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 14:34:30 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, watching the parade.....
Craig B-is everything OK? Please let us know.
G
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 13:42:48 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Gobble Gobble
Hoops - Happy Thanksgiving to you and all of Dandom!
This is just a wild-ass guess but I wonder if this show could have anything to do with the new HBO rock show called "Off The Record"? It debuts tomorrow night and it's hosted by Dave Stewart. Perhaps a short set by Don & Walt and then an interview?
Frontline - If you are in fact part of SD management, this shroud of secrecy is totally annoying. As Gail pointed out, why the hell did we sign up for a newletter?
Mark in Boston
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 12:44:56 ET
Posted by: Greg, skeptic
<<<have to sell because of a schedule conflict.>>
How about: have to sell because i want a profit.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 12:44:12 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Turkey
January 19, 2007 -- expect a short show. Very odd type of gig.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 11:49:28 ET
Posted by: Roger, Kentucky
GREAT SEATS for the Dan on Ebay.
***TICKETS***
Steely Dan Live '07 Chumash Casino
9th Row - (perfect distance from Donald & the girls)
Middle Section
4 together, or sold as 2
have to sell because of a schedule conflict.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 11:31:06 ET
Posted by: The Archbishop, Muswellbrook
Hi y'all
Everybody have a good Black Friday, tomorrow.
Let it roll...
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 11:21:40 ET
Posted by: Bob,
You see that? If Walter Becker would have smashed his guitar into a million pieces after every Steely Dan show in the 70's the bands popularity would have been enormous by now! And can you imagine how many tickets they would have sold these days if they did what the Who did/does? They keep billing each tour as "the Farewell tour"? (Isn't this there 15th farewell tour in a row?) If they only would have known!
To everybody here on the blue (except for that moronic Who fan) have a great Thanksgiving!
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 10:48:30 ET
Posted by: What?, $$$Motown$$$$$$
At least the Who CAN sell $450 tickets!
Steely Dan is playing Desert Inns for $15. a head
The Dan don't even play in the same league as the "dead and and gone" Who "on one leg"- what's that tell you about Steely Dan's management of their brand and music and tours?
I'd say our friend is right on. Steely D better consult somebody! It took Irving arm twisting - yes, arm twisting to get the MM idea off the ground!
The numbers -ticket prices, attendees, says it all.
The Dan Tours are tired. Imagine, you guys dissed McDonald to no end( until you decided, once again, that anything your heroes put their "blessing on" must be at a minimum "okay", acceptable, so to speak. Yet it took him to revive any spark in the Dan Magical Mystery Boredom Machine.
I think that's why they call it "The Blue Blog"
And don't think the Dan wish they could sell tix for $450 each -oh, they would- don't kid yourself (and O.J. is actually guilty for you same "denialists")- so they could get the hell out of this rotten game and retire to their NYC apartments. You think DF liked riding the Tour bus during the Morph the Rat Tour - think again.
EMG and Morph - stilll not Gold! WOW!
The numbers speak again!
What A Shame On Them........
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 10:03:33 ET
Posted by: Craig B, Home from the ER
Happy Thanksgiving to All on the Blue
There are so many things to be grateful for
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 02:20:55 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, australia
As enigmatic as it is exciting, this SoCal Casino outing has really razzed up The Bluedom.
What can it mean? Walter surprise: I just Don get it. Could it be that the dead hand of the Sicilian suits behind Jay and The Americans has reached out across the decades and the
escape clauses of supposedly lapsed contracts to demand one more favour of our boys.
Sinatra and Semi Dervish Jnr. associations aside, the gaming den/watering hole/sink of iniquity/speakeasy/flesh pot has always been a valid hipster haunt, but I'd like to think that
the lads could demand a more salubrious venue: Australia for example. In one seven league boot stomp the boys have crossed America. Their course is definitely Westward. It could be that they are only stopping in Southern California to stock up on some fiery and obscure Seppo cactus beverage before crossing the Pacific. Here in Australia one can only root for you lucky yanks and hope that one or other or both the boys get the urge to pet a wombat sometime soon.
Son of Bullgoose returned cock a hoop from the Bodacious Cowboys' gig in Sydney last weekend. Always ready to go the extra mile, the Cowboys treated punters to some current
Fagen tunes, dragged out an electric Sitar for Do It Again and a genuine Voice Box for Haitian Divorce. That's true Dan tribute spunk right there: a 70's Voice Box would have some festy bacterio-viral action going on down deep in that mouth tube thing, having almost certainly been called into service as a bong adjunct or worse during that and later blighted decades.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 01:33:25 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, white Plains
<<<<Just got home from The Who show in Atlanta, and it blew away anything the Dan has done on their last 3 tours. It's time the Dan hire some new tour consultants.>>>>>>
I think I speak for everyone here: "........um......no"
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 01:04:00 ET
Posted by: You Mean The Two?, Ann Margaret's House
Did you buy the $450 ass rape seats? That must pay for a mess o' video screens. Did Pete sing that song written by his girlfriend?
That must of been keen.
Date: Thurs, November 23, 2006, 00:33:29 ET
Posted by: The Who, vs. The Dan
Just got home from The Who show in Atlanta, and it blew away anything the Dan has done on their last 3 tours. It's time the Dan hire some new tour consultants.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 20:12:59 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, in the kitchen
Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Chan, and everyone else on the blue. Can't wait to see my extended family.
A big thanks to Hoops for keeping this site running and being devoted to all of us!
G
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 19:03:19 ET
Posted by: Chan Lightning, My Thanksgiving gift to all
Thanks Giving
Eat turkey- that’s the plan
Background tunes by Steely Dan
Help mother to wash the pan
Celebrate with the Chanman
Have your veggies like you should
Yes it’s thanksgiving
It taste’s so good
More stuffing if you dare
Use your fingers we don’t care
Eat slowly then leave your chair
Take a walk get some fresh air
All around the neighborhood
It is thanksgiving
You all be good!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends in Dandom!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 17:00:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This show will be the cat's pajamas, my receptors imbedded deep in my Turban tell me so. It has been written. The theatre is really more like a carpeted recital hall, think of the room we had the Cincy Danfest in in 05...that's exactly what it's like. Maybe a tad bigger.
OK, so it's The Maverick prior to the show and she who must be obeyed and I got a small suite at the resort where we can convene afterward and dissect, reflect and otherwise hobnob. Book it, Dano.
Hoopsie's disclaimers notwithstanding, Wally does chime in here to the Blue every once in a blue moon(sorry) and he knows exactly what the prevailing sentiments are concerning setlists. They soundchecked Dr. Wu forgoodnessake, WB knows what the dyed-in-the- wool Dannite wants and craves. He's not asleep at the wheel.
Trust in Wally. Now if Prima Donna Don nixes it, we're screwed. But this will be a memorable evening, a new world order, I can feel it.
Robert - you're defenses are weakening...come to the Blue...move toward the light.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 16:53:49 ET
Posted by: bob, TX
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Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 15:52:15 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
I hear you HouDanFan. But "Life" is all about taking chances. And
this show is definitely a "Chance". As L. Ray said earlier,
"The game is afoot".
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 15:38:27 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I can't help but log into this sight every couple of hours when there is an upcoming concert.
I guess I'm distracted in the workplace. Oh no; I'm multi-tasking.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 15:17:31 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
Why is it that certain people in here get so pissed off when someone questions anything about SD? This has and always will be my favorite band. But given the history of time between past tours, the location of the concert and the lack of promotion, this show doesn't make sense to me. If there are circumstances (Frontline), I'd like to know what they are before I plunk down a couple grand to go. For me personally, I don't want to see another show dominated by 70's material, escpecially considering the quality of the last 3 cd's. Now if it is going to be more like the MTC tour then I'm in. Since I don't know, I'm staying home.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 15:17:10 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Don't waste your time or money folks on "The Willows". Unless
of course you are staying at the casino and want to have a nice
quiet, pricey dinner. But then again, just how many drinks can
you down while trying to enjoy your pricey meal. Here IS the
place to go pre and post show for Chumash events:
http://www.mavericksaloon.org/santa_ynez.htm
Check it out. Nice mix of folks. Oh and by the way, they have
a mechanical bull, so don't forget your camera Pete.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 14:49:43 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, ca
Apparently the only place in the casino which is not dry is The Willows, their fine-dining restaurant, and it requires that you eat there, in order to drink. Pretty close to dry...
From the Star Tickets Plus website:
"Bar: No
There is no alcohol sold or allowed in the concert area. It is served in the fine dining restaurant at the casino, but patrons must sit down to a meal in order to purchase it.
Seating Type: Reserved
The seats are elevated beginning in Row R, and the middle seats are 20 and 21 in rows A- R, but seats 20 and 31 rows R-Z and seats 25 and 26 rows AA through CC. 2 Jumbo Size Video screens are located on either side of the stage The showroom is all the way at the back of the casino next to the Bingo hall."
I purchased tickets on the phone (Star Tickets) yesterday, and got two on the center aisle, on the riser, behind the soundboard. In the Meyer Sound article (which has a great picture of the room at the top of the webpage, without the risers however) linked here yesterday, they listed the room dimensions as 105 feet wide by 140 feet deep, so I was pretty sure I'd be happy with my $115 seats. Star only charged a total of $10 in fees on top of the two tickets, which was reasonable. The guy on the phone was exceptionally nice.
People have, and will continue to make nasty remarks about the possibility of repetitive setlists etc, and yes, most of us always hope they will break-out some less-played material. BUT, regardless of whatever songs they decide to play, having the chance to see this band in such a small venue, in beautiful Santa Ynez, during my birthday week, is pretty effing exciting, at least to me! YMMV.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 14:40:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Well that's a relief.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 14:22:13 ET
Posted by: Laurie & Robert, Morro Bay
Hey guys, the place is not "dry". Take a look at their website information on one of the restaurants: http://www.chumashcasino.com/dining/willows/
And Robert...get to work!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:56:50 ET
Posted by: You tube laughing, yoga
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:47:55 ET
Posted by: Craig B,
Thanks Gretchen
Interesting and hopeful
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:28:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah, da noive
Thanks for the advice, I'll instruct my synapsing accordingly while pomdering the insipid tone of your post.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:26:51 ET
Posted by: Could this be, Rajah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXgdSOxaCG Hope this works
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:13:30 ET
Posted by: Thought Police,
Rajah, Actually it would would be much better if you were to "ponder" more, and state things as "facts" less.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 13:06:44 ET
Posted by: That is good , news
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 12:55:28 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Good news.......
Found an interesting bit of information this morning, just scroll down a bit. Yes, I need to get a damn life.....
http://tleewaor.blogspot.com/
G
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 12:24:02 ET
Posted by: Pat Metheny, Recommends Fagen
Go to Pat Metheny's website http://www.patmetheny.com/ and click on the Pat Recommends area; then scroll all the way down to the bottom and you'll see Pat recommending Morph the Cat!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:45:08 ET
Posted by: Santa, Frozen Tundra
LWO - I'm looking at my lists right now and, this is awkward but I'm afraid I have some bad news. Seems you currently appear on the "naughty" list right after Kim Jong Il, Mel Gibson, Michael Richards and Heather McCartney. Sorry darling but I have the polaroids right here in the file. Turns out you've been extremely naughty. OK, but it is the Yuletide season and after all it is Steely Dan so who knows, maybe we can arrange something. Well talk when I slide down your chimmney in a few weeks.
Bottoms up,
Santa
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:34:19 ET
Posted by: Call up the casino, here
Craig call the casino they should help you out.How cool to be bringing your daughter to a Steely concert.Hurry so you get good seats.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:27:06 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
LWO
I owe you a drink! Hope to see ya there
Raj I have to be on the aisle for my daughter's wheelchair...is there someone in particular that I need to talk with like do you remember a name?
Thanks
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:23:08 ET
Posted by: Any Major Dude, Texas
Hey
Really good seat avaiable on E-Bay to the January 19th concert. Middle section, 9th Row, 4 seats together.
Check it out on E-Bay.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:15:18 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, working
Jeez...now I'm really confused.
Hoopsie, I'm really on the fence for this one. True, I have been a very good girl, chained to my desk since Jones Beach, and this would be the perfect post-holiday blues remedy. I don't have much on my Christmas list and my vacation days perk up in January...however
If you would schedule the 2006 Danny's that weekend, it would seal the deal for me!
xoxox
LWO
P.S. Hope to see y'all!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 11:10:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Robert - I can tell this is the begining of a beautiful relationship.
Craig - from the looks of the schematic the guy showed us, the soundboard will be in the middle of the center aisle around maybe rows P-Q-R so anything around S-T-U to the right or left of the board will still be aces.
OK, Mr. Thought-Police - I'm in no position to judge the relative wisdom or stupidity of Mr. Azoff. I do know he's been in the business since God was a boy. Perhaps it's a bit of a showcase for some other industry heavy rollers. But in any case, the last time I checked anyway, I'm pretty much allowed to ponder whatever I will, or is there some clause in the Patriot Act that I overlooked?
I fully expect Don & Walt to give us their bread n butter tunes and also wow us with a few forays into the back catalogue.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:54:49 ET
Posted by: You'll, See
I can't wait to say "I told you so" after the Jan. show. This is NOT gonna be some ultra-cool, one-off, recorded-for-DVD, rarities show. Expect the same lame-ass set list they always do. Mark my words!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:45:34 ET
Posted by: Robert&laurie, OnTheBeach in Morro Bay
Rajah. I wish I'd known it was you. I would have hung around for a while to talk. We'll have to get together at the show. I might try to set up a Danfest.
When I got home I told my wife I saw this other very excited Steely Dan fan.
I thought your hat was really cool. I mentioned that to my wife too.
For those of you who will be traveling from afar. Santa Barbara and the California central coast are beautiful, but keep in mind January is usually our rainy season.
I have to say that I was really impressed with the Chumash Casino. Everyone was very friendly, and the place was immaculate.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:40:06 ET
Posted by: Major fan, RC
Front line can you give us any hint of the circumstances.Or what we might be in store for. Just hyped thats all.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:32:11 ET
Posted by: Front Line , LA
To Rajah, Hou Dan Fan and Luker Ray- You all say that this show makes no sense? Do you think Irving Azoff is a stupid business man or something? If you people knew the circumstances behind this show it would "make all the sense" in the world to you! Just be happy that you have a show to go to because you will be seeing the entire 2007 tour that one night in that one casino. Have fun and leave the business (and head scratching) up to the bands management.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:25:57 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hey Rajah
Did you happen to notice what row the riser was on? Did'nt get my tix yesterday now get to scramble today
Did someone mention the place was Dry? My God what will the Fans of Dan do.
Thanks GM for your input on seats... I've got to sit with folks on the Blue
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 10:02:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Robert - I met you yesterday at Chumash, I was the geek in the porkpie hat with the lanky blonde in tow. Now I know what you meant by, "I have a friend." Well, good on ya but there really won't be a bad seat in that room, the Manager dude did not lie. You get the Hardcore Steely Danfan prize. Robert was there at 6 AM.
They also hold fights in that room as attested to by that big square lighting rigg in the center of the room. How about an undercard of Becker vs. Fagen to warm up the crowd? Becker in three rounds is my bet. Wally looks like he could kick some asz.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 09:18:14 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
I got up at 4:30 AM to drive to Santa Ynez and get in line. When I arrived I was the first person there. At 9:00 AM the second person arrived. Her name was Christine. We talked for a while. I told her what a big Steely Dan fan I was. She told me that I wouldn't be able to get as good a ticket as she could get. I assumed she was a heavy roller. She then offered to help me get Row "B" tickets. I quickly accepted her offer. At noon when the box office opened she gave a number to the woman at the window and I got four tickets in row "B" - right in front of the Don!
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 08:53:27 ET
Posted by: Recycler,
Recycling must be a good thing...just ask someone who comes into SD discussion groups and, using multiple identities, posts the same lame recycled crap over and over.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 06:36:46 ET
Posted by: Another, Lame Tour
You guys really need to get a life...Always speculating/hallucinating about what great things the dan are gonna do next & what might get played in concert, when in reality, they always play the same old recycled cuts, never expending any energy to even slightly excite or amuse us. They really need some outside advice; they could do much better. And before you beat me up too bad, remember, that all you lot were the same ones claiming that Everything Must Go was gonna be their last album & tour...as if they would be so literal - get real folks! This is steely "the recycler" dan!
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Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 05:38:32 ET
Posted by: Dan Fest ?, Maverick Saloon ?
hmmm...
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 02:08:16 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SYV
Hey Raj, as for boozin it in SY, The Maverick Saloon is the place to go. Nitty gritty cowboy bar in Santa Ynez, about 2 minutes from the casino, with dollar bills tacked to the ceiling. We have it covered here- dry or not- let me know of any local queries. Funny, just had Doobies and Mike McD play the venue in the last year- thank goodness our boys got the 411.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 02:01:18 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, SYV Baby
Yes I am an unfamiliar poster- haven't posted in a few years but been lurking ever since- and all I have to say is that this Chumash show will be the shit. I can confidently say that I am probably the biggest fan in the Santa Ynez Valley. I have only seen one show at the venue and the intimacy and surrealism would be well worth any ticket price. Any seat in the venue is excellent and the hotel is 5 star, I believe. If you are still on the fence about venturing to Santa Ynez, rent "Sideways" and go along for a weekend ride. I have often dreamt/fantasized of our boys playing this venue attached to a weekend of wine tasting among the rolling hills and wild oak trees. C'est parfait- my cup runneth over.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 01:58:49 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA
Concur with Lurker Ray; my wife called at 12:00 PST and got Section A, Row I. Thanks to all the contributors to this site who provided info; luckily I checked about 20 minutes before noon. To those who not been to Chumash recently, it is now a pretty nice place, similar to Pechanga. When we last saw it 5 years ago, it was mainly composed of temporary tents, reminiscent of Soboba.
GW
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 01:45:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
After some schmoozing, the box office Manager at Chumash informed us that the show had been booked and contracts had been executed three weeks ago, which is unusual but it seems it was pretty much a bang-bang thing and the date just happened to work out great for everyone.
Why Indian casinos? How about no Clear Channel or Ticketmaster to deal with and I'm wondering about the tax advantages of working outside the federal jurisdiction of the U.S.
The theatre is really just a large Event Room. Nice proscenium stage, it's smallish. There's only like 32 rows in the whole joint. No fixed seats, just ballroom type chairs. Think weddings or your cousin's Bar Mitzva. Manager guy said his favorite seat is slightly behind and off to the side of the soundboard on the riser. Seems people on the floor have a tendency to stand up.
BTW, the Chumash is a dry establishment. No booze, Mable. Must be a bar in the Resort next door somewhere.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 01:24:32 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Minor update at Lexi says...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Nothing pertaining to the Chumash gig or Heavy Rollers, referring instead to the recent Woodstock Ramble.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 01:01:47 ET
Posted by: Come on, so what if want to play casinos
They played at a Las Vegas casino.As do other major touring groups.The smaller the place the bigger the party.I myself am looking foward to this concert.Could turn out to be another Soboba.So hopefully I will be able to attend a bunch of SD concerts again this year if they plan to tour.Casinos or not.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 00:42:54 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu in Lucky SoCal
Well it looks like Ray will be part
of the "H-Gang"! Section A Row H DEAD
Center! 8th Row Dead Center, for
$155? Hell yeah.
If any one else is still looking
to purchase tickets, may I strongly
suggest using the phone instead of
online. 800-585-3737
That website is putting people in "bad"
seats far off to the sides, when better
seats are available by phone. Do yourself
a favor, talk to a "real" person on this one.
You can pick the "actual" best seats
available. Hell, I got tickets via
phone before they were on sale on the
web.
"I'm with Rajah on this one. This show
makes no sense."?????
Of course it makes no sense! But that is
exactly why it is so great. Don't
you just love the "excitement" and
"surprise"? Steely Dan live in January in
California wine country? Yeah right.
People would say you're crazy. We all know
what we are going to get at a Roseland show.
But no one has the foggiest as to "what/and/or
why?" is going to go down at Chumash.
We are all guessing "why"? Maybe since the
hype of Soboba!, Soboba!, Soboba! the Tribes
are in a bidding war to "One-up" the other
nations. "Heavy Rollers"?
"Well, the Nostradamus thingie, as joke-y as it
seems it does explicitly say the predictions "...take
us through the summer of 2007" and then later states...
"Indeed, Becker and Fagen now credit Weppner for the
inspiration for their decision to book a summer tour
in an exotic locale."
Could it be the start of a Pan-Pacific-Austrailiariffic
tour? It is "summer" then in the beautiful former penal
colony. "takes us through the summer of 2007"? Final
stop in Hawaii? Who the hell knows?!! I know what I'm
gonna get when I walk into a Roseland show, I have no
f*ing idea what I will walk into in Chumash. And I love
that. I love the "game". And the game is afoot.
Safe journeys to all of those on the mighty Blue traveling
this holiday.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 00:36:45 ET
Posted by: Actually,
Actually Gretchen, that site got that from the Dandom Digest and the Blue. It's circular reference.
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 00:21:21 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT
California Dreamin..........
Date: Wed, November 22, 2006, 00:09:52 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, for what it's worth.......
Found this on the blog for one of the internet stations, saying SD will likely add more dates:
http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/2006/11/steely-dan-2007-tour.html
The more weekend dates, the better.
G
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 23:55:40 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Cryin' in my Black Cow
Just when we thought the surprises were over. Sadly I can't swing this show, even though it has 'possibilities' of being very .... something.
I haven't read through all of the discussion but here's my two pennies.
A. Very odd, indeed, as has been mentioned.
B. Possibly for a live DVD taping, but why not somewhere like Roseland for that?
3. Possibly for a live album...but why not somewhere like Red Rocks with the great sound there?
D. Exotic locales? The Desert Tour '07? Europe and Japan? Borneo?
5. What's with the prices, is the The Rolling Dans?
Z. New Frontiers? Acid Dan? Sampled Dan? Dan-a-Billy?
I guess we'll know as soon as they let us, I'm just glad there still puttin' out.
KC
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 23:51:09 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Best of luck to everyone trying to get tickets to what is so far one gig. Great way to spice up the post-Christmas period and particularly convenient for the California crowd.
Would it be nuts to cross the world for one gig ? Haven't done that yet....but my vote is for Hawaii, not quite across the world for me and certainly exotic. Or Japan....semi-exotic and even closer. Or Beijing's Forbidden City...absolutely exotic, but unlikely unless there are Dan Fans high up in the communist party.
Best of all ???....direct from Lhasa, Tibet.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 23:49:02 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, home
Section A, row K for me, was told at the box office the only tickets available to the general public were from K on back, due to the fact that the first 10 rows are reserved for casino members.
Smallish casino but very clean, separated from the hotel, which is the adjoining building. The hotel lobby is really beautiful, very contemporary decor and lots of oil portraits of various Chumash. Rooms look lovely, and I was given a tour of the spa, which is quite tempting as well. No circus tents here! It will make for a very nice escape. If you plan to reserve a room here, get a Player's Club card for a good discount.
Anyone planning to stay until Sunday? If so, if you'd like to meet and have a spa service on Sat. let me know! The eucalyptis sauna is my first destination.......
G
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 22:59:38 ET
Posted by: me, here
It used to be that Steely Dan was defined, for me, by their first seven albums. But that's been eclipsed and they are now defined by the current group of musicians that tours the country playing casinos as a nostalgia act. It's a sad day.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 22:50:27 ET
Posted by: Katy,
Someone else mentioned this, but why no SD newsletter about this show? Isn't this precisely why we all signed up?
Good thing I watch the blue...
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 22:32:43 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston
I'm with Rajah on this one. This show makes no sense.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 21:45:01 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Seeing your first Steely Dan concert, pricless.
Sitting in the front row at a Steely Dan concert, priceless.
Bringing your son to his first Steely Dan concert, priceless.
Going to a Danfest before a Steely Dan concert, priceless.
Hanging on the lawn with your buds from Dandom at a Steely Dan concert, priceless.
Been there, done them all. They all are,,,,,,priceless!!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 21:31:50 ET
Posted by: Dirty Work,
Girl M. That link you just put up doesn't work.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 20:50:46 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
WTF was David Cassidy doing singing "Dirty Work" ?!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=david+cassidy+dirty+work
David Palmer where are you when we need you?
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 18:26:44 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Girl Margaret - For a Steely Dan show I would rather sit second row center by myself than sit on the lawn with a bunch of my friends.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 17:45:15 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey Craig, as far as seating goes it's all about who you're with. I've sat 11 rows from the stage and not enjoyed the show as much as when I was on the lawn. We were all on the lawn at Hartford and how much fun was that night? I've sat all over for SD shows and it really depends on the peeps surrounding ya as far as I'm concerned.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 17:18:32 ET
Posted by: IMHO,
oldbunny- If you went to everyone of these tours since 1993 and you saw more than 2 or 3 shows on each tour you would care if they played the same old stuff. These guys should really mix it up a bit.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 16:41:09 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Not at all, dream on, everyone's excited about more Steely Dan shows. Well, everyone...except you. Let 'em play what they like, I have no complaints about their setlist choices. And since you won't be going to the show(s), what's it to you?
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 16:33:31 ET
Posted by: Dream, On
Sorry to ruin everyone's woody, but the Dan are gonna play the same ole crap they've been recycling since '93, with the usual closers: FM & My Old School. Come on!, do you really think Don & Walt would get creative w/ the set list???
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:37:14 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF,
and btw... Thanks, Hoops! Without the Digest I would not have known.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:32:24 ET
Posted by: suedave, the horror!
BTW, thanks Daddy G for posting the seating chart jpeg
I called the box office - the front section will open up in about 2 weeks.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:28:43 ET
Posted by: Eric in SF, Groovetime
Sec. A, Row L, Center Aisle
Slang me, baby!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:24:34 ET
Posted by: angel,
Try this number for the resort box office.
1-800-CHUMASH (1-800-248-6274).
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:22:52 ET
Posted by: chef,
starticketsplus.com
800-585-3737
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:20:41 ET
Posted by: Milo, Website is screwy
1-800-585-3737
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:19:44 ET
Posted by: suedave, @ work
Buying tickets was a bust - all way off to the sides. I'll be checking back frequently.
Is startickets and phone the only way to go? I'm blocked from gambling sites during work hours.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:18:59 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,
Did you guys order online, or call? And if you called, which number; box office or StarTicketsPlus? Thanks!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:09:08 ET
Posted by: angel,
Cheap seats, but dead center. See you there. :-)
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 15:07:16 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Row J, Section A $155
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 14:42:18 ET
Posted by: Clarification,
Thanks for the heads up, Better Times.
Unless my browser is really broke, this is simply the Santa Ynez date you are referring to and it goes on sale in 19 minutes, not this weekend.
Carry on.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 14:38:32 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Alan, of course... No slight intended. So I hereby extend my (unfortunately impotent) wishes to non-U.S., non-European fan locales as well, including, but not limited to, Australia, Canada, Mexico (Guadalajara would do), Borneo, Africa, Japan, China, South America, Antarctica, and any peaceful and stable portions of the middle east. :-)
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 14:37:37 ET
Posted by: Better Times,
CHECK STEELY DAN'S SITE NOW!!!! HEAVY ROLLERS TOUR 07 ANNOUNCED FIRST DATE IN CALIFORNIA ON SALE THIS WEEKEND, YES YES YES!!!!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 14:16:28 ET
Posted by: alan, OZ
Daddy G, what about the long suffering aussie's, huh ?
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 14:02:46 ET
Posted by: Conde Nast, world traveler
Exotic locale = Hawaii?
The Fagen's vacation in HI during the winter no?
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:52:34 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Greg
Thanks for taking the time.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:44:36 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Uh, just to clarify... When I say, "I'm hoping for the sake of the now long suffering Euro-fans that they're crossing the proverbial pond this summer," I of course mean that I'm hoping D&W are the ones going to Europe to gig about over there, not that I would be hoping for European fans to have to come to the U.S. to see the boys.
I'm sure that was reasonably understood, but upon re-reading I realized I should have stated it more clearly. I just think the European fans deserve a legitimate crack at a Dan tour.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:34:45 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Well, the Nostradamus thingie, as joke-y as it seems does explicitly say the predictions "...take us through the summer of 2007" and then later states... "Indeed, Becker and Fagen now credit Weppner for the inspiration for their decision to book a summer tour in an exotic locale."
Of course, it's still open to interpretation, if indeed it's even the least bit reality-tinged at all. But still, ya gotta hope.
And what do they mean by "exotic locale?" I'm hoping for the sake of the now long suffering Euro-fans that they're crossing the proverbial pond this summer.
The truth is out there. Somewhere. Possibly coming to a venue near you.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:28:52 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah - A simple answer to your question. 1993 was Steely Dan's first tour in 19 years. I mean they sold out Madison Square Garden in 1993! In 1994 they hit a lot of cities that they didn't hit in '93. That's why they had back to back tours in 1993 and 1994. The pattern that started in 1996 until now makes much more sense then those two back to back tours in '93 and '94. OK, you can stop scratching your head now.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:24:11 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
The Chumash site lists seating charts for "Boxing" or "Event". I'm assuming this gig is an "event" and that no boxing matches will break out unless Jim Pugh and Michael Leonhart really decide to go at it during Hey 19.
CHUMASH SITE DISCLAIMER states re seating charts... "Note: Please use these charts as a guide only, as seating can change at venues for different events and performances."
The chart is an Adobe Acrobat Reader PDF file and is 1.52M in size so it takes five or six minutes to load via my dialup connection...
http://www.chumashcasino.com/entertainment/images/seat_events.pdf
Or directly from the Chumash entertainment page (http://www.chumashcasino.com/entertainment/) you can right-click the "Event" seating chart link, then choose "save target as..." to save the PDF file to your hard drive for more convenient anytime access.
And finally, I took my downloaded seating chart and converted it to a 77K simple jpg image, then uploaded it to Image Shack so that if folks want to view it online quicker, just use this link...
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1531/chumasheventseating5zd6.jpg
Again, good luck to all you heavy rollers...
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:18:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This thing really has me scratching my noggin. The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. The One-and-Only Indian Casinos Tour? Why a one-off out here in California when more than half the band lives in NYC? Speaking of patterns, how about 93 and 94 after Don and Walt's solo records? And what is up with the 24 hour notice for this Chumash gig?
Many questions. We await some further news from them.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:16:14 ET
Posted by: Santa Claus, Van Allen Belt
Now I know what to get Jim for Xmas. A 3rd hand to slap himself on the back with.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:09:38 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Thanks again for the confirmation.
I can tell everyone is excited because I confirmed the on sale time from the ticket site and then people confirmed the ticket site was right ;-)
Good luck everyone!
jim
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 13:02:30 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah -Your thinking makes sense. But how do you/we really know what's going on? Maybe the band was put together in January for some promo stuff or for some private shows. None of us really know for sure.
This is why I don't think they will tour this year.
They toured in 1996. Not another tour until 2000 (four year span). Next tour was 2003 ( three year span). Next tour 2006 (a three year span). Do you see how this is coming together? Do you see the pattern Rajah? If they keep going in this cycle the next tour (if they do one) should be in 2009 or later. Plus why would they tour this year without anything to promote? I know Walter is planning on putting out a solo record but I don't think a Steely Dan tour would be put together just to promote his record. Also, if you noticed on this years tour not one single Fagen/Becker solo song was performed.
As much as I would LOVE another tour in 2007 the above reasons is`why I just don't think it's going to happen. That casino show in California this coming January will be the 2007 tour. Only time will tell.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:51:48 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
I see Gretchen also addressed/confirmed the time zone equations whilst I was (de)composing my post. Oh well. No such thing as too much info when it comes to Dan shows, right?
I just wanted to add a hearty good luck with the ticket quests to those of you whose personal circumstances will allow a January jaunt to Chumash. Who knows, maybe some of you heavy rollers will end up winning enough at the gaming tables to cover the expense (or at least help out some). :-)
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:49:35 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN
Well shit, if I hadn't spent all available money buying Xmas presents for the wife and children...so it goes, eh? You lucky bastards enjoy it. You deserve it!
Matt
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:43:58 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Yes, that's 12 noon _Pacific_ time, 3 PM _Eastern_ (folks in other time zones adjust accordingly).
And the gig _is_ listed at Star Tickets Plus...
http://premier.ticketsplus.net/TicketsPlus/default.asp
...just plug "steely dan" (but WITHOUT THE QUOTES!) into the keyword search box and go.
______________________________________________________________________
You should see something very similar to the following which I cut-n-pasted directly from the site. It shows 3 PM eastern time for me and I added the dots in front of the Price # headings to try to better line them up over the corresponding prices, but I'm not sure how well it'll turn out. Anyway, here's the data...
EVENT & PRICING INFORMATION
Available at this venue:
Steely Dan [Santa Ynez, CA] at Chumash Casino Resort.
Only available at this performance time:
FRI JAN 19, 2007 8:00PM.
On Sale Soon:
Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:00 PM Eastern
Ticket pricing at Chumash Casino Resort on
FRI JAN 19, 2007 8:00PM:
. . . . Price 1 Price 2 Price 3 Price 4 Price 5
Adult $175.00 $155.00 $135.00 $115.00 $95.00
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:38:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Sue - It's about 30+ miles from Santa Barbara.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:32:55 ET
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, white plains ny
<<<Forgive me for asking such a stupid question but I need your experience.
Have any of you gone to an SD concert and sat in the cheap seats and regretted going because of such crappie seats, wished you had done something different and been miserable or
was just being there was worth every penny and putting up with any annoyance(can’t see, hear, whatever) worth it. >>>
Yes, mohegan sun 2003. Got the "cheap" tickets (which were $60) and was in the way back of the arena (it's not a theater). The show started early (7pm -- how f-ing lame), so i walked in during walt's band intros and learned later that i had missed aja, time out of mind, caves, etc.
The sound quality was god awful. And what's worse, I brought about 4 friends who were casual dan fans who I thought would love the show. However, they all thought the show was meh. What a bad experience. It wasn't worth it.
I caught Roseland a few months later, and was front row center (friday night) and was blown away. There's a differnece between hearing amps and drums for real--rather than hearing their amplified signal through PA speakers from miles away.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:31:16 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Buellton, at the Windmill
Hoops, tix go on sale here at 12 Pacific, so 3 for east coasters and 2 pm for Chicago. Making sure I'm first in line for this one!
G
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:24:35 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago time, 1 hour behind nyc, 2 hours ahead of L.A.
My question has been answered. Thanks S.R. The times I listed below are correct [ from the ticket site ] .
Thanks.
jim
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:19:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago time, 1 hour behind nyc, 2 hours ahead of L.A.
So the tickets go on sale at Noon today--but that is Pacific/Los Angeles time, correct? So that would be 2 PM where I'm at in Chicago and 3 PM in NYC and 1 PM in Denver????? Thanks for the clarification. Looking to buy one ticket.
jim
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 12:02:40 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston
This is just terrific new's !! so looking forward to seeing all the usual suspects throughout "07", actually will have some time to plan out a trip and save some cash!!!yes!!!!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 11:06:58 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
Oops, my bad. Only 3 singers. Hey Craig check out this link,
http://www.meyersound.com/news/2005/chumash/
Check out the great pictures, then decide how "close" you need to
be.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 10:56:00 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Forgive me for asking such a stupid question but I need your experience.
Have any of you gone to an SD concert and sat in the cheap seats and regretted going because of such crappie seats, wished you had done something different and been miserable or
was just being there was worth every penny and putting up with any annoyance(can’t see, hear, whatever) worth it.
Thanks
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 10:15:40 ET
Posted by: Milo, Meyer Sound
angel,
This is the link I believe L. Ray was talking about.
4 singers!
http://www.steelydan.com/2kband.html
Look for the "07" next to the name.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 09:50:42 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Well, whad'yer know!! The old Devils have done it again.......but the least they could have done would have been to do it in the Christmas holidays.....now I've no chance of seeing them in California!! Seething with envy at you guys who CAN go....agh!!!!!
Never mind.
Yes Raj, it doesn't make economic sense at all, but I suspect they're using it to record either a promotional video/DVD/CD/VH1 programme. They are not so commercially unsavvy to be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts!! Anyway, whatever the motive....I wish I could be there but won't be able to as I start back at work on 4th Jan 07........oh to win the lottery!!
Borneo Story: (It could only happen here, but totally unrelated to SD, so switch off now if you don't want to read it)
Got a frantic call from the maid yesterday, who had just hung out the washing when our regular visitors arrived (a troup of macaque monkeys).....one of the younger males (we call him Paddy) had stollen a pair of my panties (red ones!!) off the washing line and was dancing around in a tree with them on his head. Obviously a monkey with good taste!! However, he later deposited them at the top of my neighbours tree and scooted off. They're still there for all of Borneo to view. Ah, the pleasures of jungle life!!
Come on D&W, announce a Summer Tour will ya!!!!
Peace to all (even those damn monkeys!)
Ann
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 09:00:35 ET
Posted by: Fife, baltimore,eh
2007 is looking up!!! Unfortunately after a very generous offer from our dear Gretchen I won't be able to make it out to California but here's hoping they do a few dates here on the East Coast!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone
WHOOHOO
Fife
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 08:44:00 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Damn, my wife and I will be in Australia!
not that I’d come out to Cali just for the Chumpass show or whatever it’s called...
This does however shine a glimmer of hope for a Becker CD soon to follow and dare I say it a Becker band tour followed shortly there after by a Dan tour!
07 is looking better already!
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 08:39:26 ET
Posted by: Walter, maui
Hey kids, its ok to call me Wally (Walty??please)
WALLY
Gender: Masculine & Feminine
Usage: English
Pronounced: WAHL-ee [key]
Short form of WALTER or WALLACE (masculine), or VALESKA (feminine).
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 02:06:09 ET
Posted by: suedave, out west my friend
Hey hey Hey...it's time to celebrate!! I hope this'll be the tour to break out of please the casual fans in the big arena mode and instead, thrill us diehard fans AND the band. I'm sure they love mixing it up too. This one's for us! Perhaps a ton of wishful thinking here but a tour starting in January '07 - anything can happen.
When I read about the venue (thanks Ed) I got goosebumps! Rajah - how long of a drive is it from SB to Chumash?
GM - what tickets shall we get?
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 00:50:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Bob, here's my thinking: why on earth would they convene a 12 piece crew for a one-off? Makes no economic sense.
Date: Tues, November 21, 2006, 00:37:52 ET
Posted by: angel,
Lurker Ray: I only see the same 2 back up singers. Carolyn and Cindy. When you add Jeff Young, that's three.
--
Stacking chairs for seats? Sigh.... Can't have everything, I guess.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 23:19:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
bob -
I didn't!!!!!!!
>>NY IN JANUARY?????!!!!!
No thanks, brrrrrrrrrr. Please come back to sunny California.
You won't get mugged out here Donald!<<
Guess they got the message!!!!!
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 23:12:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu, but gonna get Sideways!
Holy Smoke Signals!!! A Meyer Sound rig too!!!!
The sound will be stellar. I'm definately
going with the 175 seats. Did anyone else
notice that it looks like we are gonna get 4
Back-up singers! 3 gals and Jeff Young!
Did Donald & Walter want to do a little wine
tasting maybe? Santa Ynez is in the heart of
"Sideways" country. Christmas just came early
to Malibu. Thank you Santa Claus & Santa Ynez!!
Ho, ho ho - Merry Christmas!
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 23:11:08 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Lurker Ray- And about that person that came on here less than a week ago and was saying "Roseland in January!" Everybody shot him down and said "why would they do shows in the dead of Winter"?
I still think Rajah is wrong about a full blown tour. I think this one show in January will be the 2007 tour.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 22:41:37 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, @heavy rolller I'm not
Hi
Happy thanksgiving to ALL
Look what I Found
http://www.meyersound.com/news/2005/chumash/
nice pictures !!
For those who have not read the liner notes of an or most of the SD catalog
you will note Meyer Speakers are thanked often
ed
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 22:34:43 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu
Well, well, well.
Where are ALL of the "Naysayers" now??!!
A bunch of people all too quickly threw poor
Rajah and others under the bus when they said
they had the "skinny". How does one prepare crow?
A bit gamey I would imagine. These SoCal
"Casino" shows have a proven track record of
being spectacular -
"Soboba, The Pechanga and Viejas Tribe produced
Alpine Fagen shows, and the Viejas Tribe produced
San Diego show Oceanside"!!! All killer shows.
And now The Chumash Casino!!!
I am so glad Don & Walt are coming west for some
sun during the gloomy month of January. SoCal
scores again! Welcome "Heavy Rollers".
Don't miss it if you can. Let's hope we all
get some more killer shows. Live 2007.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 21:22:03 ET
Posted by: Chan, 07 Tour!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know I posted this a few months back, but with todays news, it seems our prayers have been answered. Some of you may have missed this. Some may have read it. What the heck, lets all open up Katy Lied, cue up Dr. Wu and sing along. Enjoy, one more time.
DOCTOR WU, 06
Chanman cried
Dandom fans are unified
An 07 tour will subside
Our deepest sorrow
News comes in
All our hopes will rise again
To attend we will beg, steal
Or even borrow
All Winter long
We will think about which songs
Will be played and sung
By Steely crew
Will they play us Doctor Wu
In 06 it was a rumor
They would play the song we knew
They rehearsed it and they tried
Thighs got wet, but then went dry
Balls turned painful shades of blue
Will they play us Doctor…..
Found a light
I’ve been on the porch all night
I was chatting with Zim, Fife
And southern Susie
Greenroom play
Where talk is loose and we all type away
I was cranking loud the songs
While muting the TV
Chanman’s eyes
You can see he’s really fried
But alas I missed the prize
When they said screw
Will they play us Doctor Wu
In 06 it was a rumor
Leaked out by the Steely two
Don and Walt were oh so sly
And we were obviously high
Then the tour was done and through
Will they play us Doctor…..
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 20:56:35 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
goddamn, another tour just one year later and promises of a new album... and I was sure EGM was the last one!
i can't help but think this may be their best yet - 06 was a crazy tight band but the songlist lacked depth. with another year to prepare and no McMike mucking things up the possibilities are endless...
i'll see you all in boston, whenever that is!
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 18:37:17 ET
Posted by: mistressomusic, western crass
They liked it......they liked it.............YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So excited for the upcoming tour.....exotic locales........
ooooohhhhhh
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 18:24:38 ET
Posted by: Robert&Laurie, OnTheDunes in Morro Bay
Donald & Walter 75 miles from home. We might have to have a SD party at our house!
Life is damn good!
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 16:42:03 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
How about if it's a one-off, but they do the Wu, Gaucho, some Don, some old & new Walt, maybe Second Arrangement and/or a surprise new Dan tune. And then how about they record it for a rushed DVD-video release to coincide with and promote the summer Heavy Rollers tour and a soon-to-follow new SD album...
Nah. I believe that I was dreaming.
Or maybe they'll unveil some new age yodeling technique. Ya never know.
;-)
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 16:16:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Klam up, Killjoy.
I'm sporting a stiffy over all this.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 16:12:17 ET
Posted by: ?,
Joey- Why are you so excited? You're not going to go.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 16:06:03 ET
Posted by: Joey,
" SteelyDan.com says that it will be a 10 piece backing band and notes who is on board for the tour in '07. "
http://www.steelydan.com/2kband.html
I am now so excited that I am typing this with my nipples .
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:24:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
William - I'll take that bet. A selection from Walty's new one will probably be one of the best rehearsed tunes of the Don band.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:21:13 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, TradeBay Central, baby!!
Um.
In exchange for one of the GOOD seats, would anyone accept a signed-by-Donald setlist for the Denver MORPH THE CAT tour show? Hell, I hate to let go of arcana like that, but the scarf and bookbag will have to suffice...I want a seat for this one! And others in our clan can attest to its authenticity; I think Donald must've signed it over dinner at Marlowe's, pre-show...there seems to be marinara "dots" on it. So, whattayathink?
Let me know, I'll be lookin' for ya!
What a great bloody way to kick off a New Year, eh kids? Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:14:34 ET
Posted by: angel,
Hey Lonnie: That medley for Your Gold Teeth I and II is looking better every minute as an opener. :-)
For a refresher: Lonnie wrote on 10/31/06
"You make a good point. One that I raised a few weeks back in the Digest. The next SD show opening number should be a newly arranged medley (a la 1993 and 1994 tours) of Your Gold Teeth I and II. This would be better than some revamped Detective show jazz number or tune from the 50s that have been chose in years' past. An original composition from DF and WB would be tasty. Let's see if DF and WB take note of Lonnie's fine suggestion."
--
Yikes! $95 for the cheap seats?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:12:28 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, see you in Santa Ynez
Happy Thanksgiving, all!!!!!!!!!
G
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:11:53 ET
Posted by: William,
Rajah- How much you want to bet that Becker won't perform one song from his new record at this show.
Girl Margaret - If you want a ticket you can call the ticket office. On sale tomorrow.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:11:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Never. The only time they've played in the month of January was the Dick Clark show in the 70s and the Sony taping of Plush in 00.
Yeah, this one's very strange.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:11:31 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
Has anyone any inkling at all as to whether or not the summer jaunt might venture over to Europe for a few shows?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:08:08 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Prices 95.00, 115.00, 135.00, 155.00 and 175.00
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:06:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Prices
95.00,115.00 135.00 155.00 and 175.00
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 15:03:20 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Has SD ever given such little notice about an upcoming concert?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:55:26 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Hmm, maybe it's not quite the exact F-Gang (I don't think Roger Rosenberg was there). But other than him... I guess it's more the latest greatest summer Dan tour gang. F-Gang just has a better ring to it.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:54:28 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, its beginning to look a lot like
the holidays with all the weird-ass family showing up.
Or like church on Christmas eve. O come all ye faithful....
Better clean out the hotmail account. Speaking of which, what happened to my as-if SD/WB/DF newsletter(s)?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:50:53 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., One last quickie...
Looks like the band will be the F-Gang, i.e. the Fagen Morph tour band.
"Do the Wu," ya think? After all, they sound checked it, but never used it in a show...
Or maybe "Gaucho"?... seeing as how it _is_ apparently to be called the Heavy Rollers tour (unless that only refers to the one---so far---casino gig, not the actual summer tour).
Not that they'd necessarily be that obvious. If anything, it might more likely be an indication that they _won't_ do "Gaucho." I mean, they didn't even utilize MM on "Any World"...
Let the dream set lists commence...
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:44:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Question is, is this a one-off and gone Heavy Rollers Tour? Seems kinda crazy to gather the whole band and do only one small casino show...
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:42:18 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Oh, and BTW, that phone # for the casino is aka 1-800-CHUMASH in case that helps folks to remember it...
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:39:58 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
For those adventurous souls perhaps looking to wander off the usual Dan path in search of answers to LGM---Life's Great Mysteries---here's a page on George Crumb's "Hymn for the Advent of the Star-Child" (1977)...
http://www.georgecrumb.net/comp/star-p.html
...which happens to be the musical piece depicted in the background image ("Twin Suns") on that Nostradamus page.
I uploaded the sheet music part of the pic to imageshack so that folks can see all the musical notation, fuzzy though it may be...
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/313/twinsunspz4.jpg
I doubt that it has anything whatsoever to do with HR '07, but it's definitely Dangential today. It probably just looked and sounded Nostradamus-y for the page. Or maybe it's a favorite piece of Walter's, who knows...
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:32:26 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Hope at Last
Oh-boy-oh-boy-oh-boy! Might have to actually get on a PLANE for this deal...jeez, have they fixed that damned old crash-and-burn problem I used to hear about all the time? Santa Ynez, I see, is a pretty good drive. Or pretty bad, y'know.
I think I can, I think I can...Yes. Roadtrip. Or, like, planetrip. Gonna be a trip in January, either way...
So tell me, is this going to be one of those MUST ATTEND deals, do you think? 'Cause I'm getting this vibe that I MUST ATTEND; anyone else?
And Hoops, old buddy, it DO certainly sound like Blessed New Tracks are forthcoming. Oh boy!
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:25:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That's a full two-day ride, bro, stop over in Flagstaff, AZ.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:25:03 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
WAIT A MINUTE is this whole thing for real? Like for real for real? I thought it was all a gag - the casino website and everything. This is all for real? Like really real? No it's not, is it?
If it is will someone get me a ticket?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:22:56 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Home at Last (for too damned long, now)
Oh, thank God, it's FINALLY getting weird in here again...! How long of a drive is that, from West Texas to California...?
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:21:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoopsie-doo: Santa Barbara is closest, it has a miniscule airport, impossible to get a plane there from Chy-town. Fly into LAX the night before, we live about 5 minutes away, crash in the spare room and off we go in the morning.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:18:18 ET
Posted by: hoops,
This is great news! Any ideas as to which airport I should fly into for the 1/19 show?
My impressions based on the show date and the "Nostradamus" are:
* Maybe a handful of casino dates as a warm up. (I wonder if there will be another show in the area that weekend. Do I buy for 1/19 or another potential show for that weekend?)
* Potentially new material recorded by Becker & Fagen at Criteria Sound in Miami or elsewhere
* Summer Tour 07
* A new phase of Steely Dan - sounds like they are digging for a new sound.
Whoo hoops!
jim
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:14:27 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Rajah
Question: Is startickets better than ticketbastards?
Thanks
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:12:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
The Chumash Casino showroom holds only 1300 people, it opened about 4 years ago.
I guess Walter's record is ready.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 14:00:54 ET
Posted by: angel, Throw out Your Gold Teeth and See How They Roll
SteelyDan.com says that it will be a 10 piece backing band and notes who is on board for the tour in '07.
http://www.steelydan.com/2kband.html
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 13:24:33 ET
Posted by: The Box office said, 11/21/06 at 12:00 pm
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 13:20:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
This place is on the way to Lompoc, north of Santa Barbara about 130 miles north and west of LA. Tickets are not yet on sale, the box office at Chumash has not been notified that it's on, that it's confirmed. Go to starticketsplus.com to buy them, or you can call the casino box office at 1 800 248 6274.
They love these Indian casino gigs, get yer Chumash regalia together.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 13:05:52 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, behind the big casino
...Google "Pro Enhance" and see what appears...
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 13:04:52 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Pronounced Shoemaush
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 12:51:21 ET
Posted by: Getting ready to buy, Steely 07
11/21/06 at 12:00pm 1800 248-6274 ask for casino box office. Tickets go on sale. I am hyped already.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 12:34:00 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, el broko
Hfs....
I do bankruptcy, you know.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 12:27:40 ET
Posted by: angel,
Ah....I love when Walter's in the zone.... :-)
Thanks Daddy G for the info and links.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 12:10:08 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Nothing listed on TicketMaster.
Nothing at the Chumash Casino site either.
So I'm befuddled. Don't know what's goin' on. Maybe others can dig up the truth. I've always heard it's out there.
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 11:54:35 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
The Nostradamus "Article" mentions "summer of 2007." So I wonder if the Jan gig date listed is a just a one-off promotional gig/unveiling for Walter's new CD? I'm very likely wrong, but just speculatin' as I understand WB did a one-night only gig for his last CD. If so and if Donald's there, maybe they'll make it a combo "Morph/Whack II" gig (or something appropriate to the actual title of Walter's upcoming release).
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 11:32:05 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Front page of SD.com now defaults to the same page to which Walter's site links. It just so happens I got there this morning via the new link at Walter's place.
'07 tour so far?...
Jan 19 - Chumash Casino - Santa Ynez CA | tickets on sale 11/21
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 11:16:56 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
For those who like me probably had no clue exactly what "Pretty cool" is referring to below I must now assume it's this as per the new link from Mr. Becker's site...
http://steelydan.com/tour07.html
http://steelydan.com/nostra07.html
Date: Mon, November 20, 2006, 10:40:42 ET
Posted by: Pretty cool, i guess
07 looks fun!
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 23:08:53 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, time out of mind
I was just watching the Sunday Night Football game between the Chargers and Broncos and as NBC was going to commercial they played "Reelin' in the years" as the outro music. Some producer has good taste
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 21:10:37 ET
Posted by: Brian Urlacher, East Rutherford, NJ
Al Capone -- Greetings my friend. It's Sunday and Morph the Cat was with me at the game today. One word for you, pal: SCOREBOARD!!! Go Bears!!!!
9-1 Bears
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 19:16:59 ET
Posted by: Thanks Ken, awlih;
Cool story. Tom is hilarious. I will be forever greatful to the man for introducing "whorenun" to my vocabulary. And anyone who can watch "Love Is a Dream" (with Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks) and not tear up a bit is a freakin' robot -- and I felt that way before Phil's passing.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 15:07:29 ET
Posted by: Updraught, PhillyArea
Mike Tozzi is running WJJZ and he is a long time big time Steely Dan fan.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 15:00:35 ET
Posted by: kenvogel, New York
I worked with Tom Schiller on the film crew at SNL in the late 80s, early 90s. One day I told him that I had seen Donald Fagen at a small club, Hades, the night before. He told me that he had seen Donald and Walter playing in "my friend Libby Titus' living room a few days earlier.
Fast forward a few months to the NY Rock and Soul Review at the Beacon. Tom Schiller walked onstage to introduce the band.
More good songs at www.kenvogel.com
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 14:38:12 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Philly area radio --- WJJZ is back, but at 97.5
Three months back the Philly area lost its one smooth jazz outlet (WJJZ) due to an abrupt format change (more mainstream variety). As of friday evening the station is back on the air, but has moved down the dial to 97.5 (using the old 'JJZ call letters though).
The official 97.5 website for the old "Hawk" classic rock format now simply links to New Hampshire "Hawk"-brand outlets and I can't seem to find a site for the new 'JJZ yet.
This morning the new/old 'JJZ played "Time Out Of Mind" and Mike McDonald's "I Keep Forgettin'."
I did kind of miss the station because if I couldn't find much of interest at any given time elsewhere I would often go to 'JJZ and find something at least somewhat quietly pleasant to listen to for a few minutes.
Just thought I'd mention it for Philly area listeners because I myself knew nothing of the 'JJZ resurrection until I stumbled across it last night. And they do play some later mellow Dan (mostly just the usual "TOoM" or "Hey 19" though) every once in a great while.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 14:00:12 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hoops
Great Digest
Thanks for all you do here on the Blue. I appreciate your efforts.
As long as YOU pay the Piper YOU get to call the tunes
SFTI
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 13:50:26 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
New Paultz; Any item submitted to the digest@dandom.com is pretty much printed in the Dandom Digest as is, whether I like it or not. Heck, even flames directed towards myself appear. Sometimes, an edit is needed and I make a genuine effort to contact the writer ahead of time to discuss. It's not always perfect.
I *do* screen for obvious spam (sometimes make an error every few months) and if someone who seems like a legit and/or regular contributor submits something that seems off-topic, I will ask them to reconsider. I do this not only for their benefit but also for mine because I sometimes believe something to be off-topic and it turns out that I was not knowledgeable enough to know an item submitted might actually be Dan-related. I sure wouldn't want the Digest readers to miss out on something because I didn't know better. Offers of boots or information that invades the privacey of associates of Steely Dan, etc are not included as well and people are contacted.
I'd say more often than not, there is at least one item in every Digest that's personally not of my interest; but everything submitted in the spirit of the Dandom Digest goes in.
Ezra submitted sent his item to digest@dandom.com for inclusion in the next Dandom Digest. (Ditto for the cover or tribute band--if they a story in the Digest it's because they sent it in, not because I cherry-picked certain ones...other such bands don't always realize this and get offended.)
If the Digest were on a roll with several editions a week, I agree it would be over the top to have Ezra's updates in every Digest. But, yeah, since it's a once a month and he is DF's stepson, and he requests it, things are on the side of leaving it in and people scroll by.
In the event you are suggesting I think I'm sucking up to Ezra Titus or Donald Fagen or their pals or something, never. For starters, DF's not that stupid (as if he and WB even bother to personally check out this place or the Digest) and it would have quite the opposite effect, not to mention a few other things.
jim
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 13:44:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah, sugar n spice
Mom, if you're mad that I didn't call last week, fine, but could you please stay off the Blue, it's embarassing.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 12:55:07 ET
Posted by: Allah, Vatican
"Orchids", don't get so excited!
About 90% of what comes out of Rajah's mouth is innacurate self aggrandizing garbage anyway.
Hi tripe is not even worth a response.
As with the former - dare I say the name - Claus(or is it Clas - who cares) - don't feed the monster, and we will all be better off.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 12:49:40 ET
Posted by: Allah, Vatican
Rajah, Gretchen is the epitome of Guestbook exhibitionist beeeaatches!
But, then so are you on the - male with self proclaimed "big (dubious) package" - side of the exhibitionist discussion.
Go read some Greek
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 11:56:45 ET
Posted by: Web M.D.,
Somebody tell Donald that his homepage doesn't appear to be loading properly.
It looks like the whole page has scrolled up and you can only partially see "No Business" and "Show Business". Pretty sure it's been messed up for over a week.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 10:34:35 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Live from New York, it's Don & Libby
On December 5, Broadway Video is releasing the 1st season of Saturday Night Live on DVD. This is the complete season on 8 DVDs with nothing cut out. As you may know, Libby Titus was the musical guest on the show hosted by Hugh Hefner. When the shows were packaged for syndication, Libby’s segment was cut out. Hey Ezra, sounds like a great Xmas gift for your mom!
Speaking of SNL, nobody seems jazzed by the Tom Schiller/Donald Fagen collaboration on DF’s website. I think Rajah, dissed it a few weeks ago as being stupid. Well, I think Tom Schiller is a comic genius. You might remember the Schiller’s Reel films he did for SNL in the 70s, including the classic one in which John Belushi is dancing on the graves of other SNL cast members. I’m really curious about this collaboration. Were they always friends? Are Tom and Don neighbors? The recording sounds like it could have been done at a party. Hell, Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks used to do the 2000 Year Old Man at parties for friends and then it evolved into a couple of classic comedy albums. I hope Tom and Don do a few more bits!
Mark in Boston
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 07:19:01 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Who said the younger generation were a lost cause??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKn1xoXaS2Y&mode=related&search=
Peace out...
Ann
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 04:06:09 ET
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS,
Yesterday i went to the musicshop and bought four terrific albums:
WALT WEISKOPF:
Simplicity (1993)
Night Light (1995)
WAYNE KRANTZ:
Signals (1990)
2 drink minimum (live recording) (1995)
Enjoy them
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 02:35:42 ET
Posted by: New Paultz,
Hoops why are you publicizing Ezra Titus? Because he is Fagen's stepson? BFD! This has nothing to do with Steely Dan.
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 01:34:05 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago, watching Van Morrison on Austin City Limits
The latest edition of the Dandom Digest has just been mailed, this time covering all the way from October 13 through November 18, 2006
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. Again, If you don't receive it, please email me. Some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
• Vote for MTC as NPR's Best of 2006
• Donald Performs Upstate
• Donald Plays the "Midnight Rambles" in Woodstock
• Madeleine Peyroux: collaboration with WB and more
• DF.com updates, Tom & Don, Great Pagoda of Merch, etc
• Keith Carlock Update
• REDUX: 2007 Opener
• New at EzraTitus.com !!!
• LONG ISLAND: Stealin' Dan-Thanksgiving Gig! Fri Nov 24
• So. CAL: Nov, 30 2006 at Spaghettini Grill & Jazz Club
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter—definitely not to be confused or affilliated with the glorious Official steelydan.com, walterbecker.com and donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists—please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
Thanks as always for your support, especially Mark and Bill, and thanks for your patience.
jim
Date: Sun, November 19, 2006, 00:41:54 ET
Posted by: Nashcat,
SNL band just went into Chained Lightning going to break
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 23:16:56 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, monterey, california
I voted too. Chan, I tried to go to the new chat a couple of times, but I was all alone. Boo hoo. No biggee! Just thought I'd say Hi to you and a couple of the other regular chatters.... Hope everyone is doing well. Holidays are almost upon us, which means a lot of joy, and some added stress, too. Everybody stay healthy and happy! Big love to all of the Steely Dan fans, the Boys in the Band who brought us all together, and their friends and families!! Life is good!
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 22:11:56 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
My vote is in as well. What a great country we live in to be able to paricipate in this democratic process!!
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 21:56:19 ET
Posted by: Smit, Sweden
Hi! Definitely nice and neat site you got there.
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 21:19:57 ET
Posted by: Curious George,, Kizmar
How is it that Hoops has a pretty good idea of who "Weber" is but not LI Bill? Is Hoops a hacker?
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 20:26:04 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, in the graveyard with Lenny B
I voted and feel very good about it. Hooray for all things Donald. And a gracious good evening to all who inhabit the bluebook...
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 10:12:32 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh
Chan sorry I didn't make it in last night. Major problems with computer, a worm or virus,ugggg!!!! Suprised I could get in here. I'm also incapable of opening e-mails, very frustrating!! Anyhow hopefully the problem will be rectified soon.
Fife
Date: Sat, November 18, 2006, 01:23:21 ET
Posted by: Newark,
I voted did you?
Deadline is near 12/5.
RE: Denise's post:If you want to vote for Morph the Cat on NPR's Best CD of 2006:
www.npr.org/programs/asc/surveys/bestof06
"What was the best CD of 2006? Tell us your pick and why you love it. We'll count down the top ten results in a special, live call-in edition of NPR Music's All Songs Considered Tuesday, Dec. 5th at 5 p.m. ET."
AND . . . How far out about Donald playin' at the Midnight Ramble. Congrats to the lucky attendees! Jammin' makes the world go round.
Nwk--hope your holiday are relaxing.
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 21:34:22 ET
Posted by: Broadway Joe, 2 minute warning
Gretchen please. You've already shown yourself to be a wacko with the whole Coke can fiasco, let's not try to top that one shall we? All we need to see is a picture of you on the cover of the Poughkeepsie Journal being dragged away from the Fagen estate by 7 police officers. You've had your brush with fame's diet softdrink, now for God's sake give it a break.
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 20:01:53 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston
Long time no post from me. Hope all my friends here are well. Chat tonite around 9pm?
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 19:29:56 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, stuffing a turkey....
Road trip to Woodstock, anyone? A nice winter treat, just when you need one most.
G
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 18:17:49 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Chan, Jane Lightning, how are you? Long time, no e-mail...
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 16:34:13 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Dude, wtf, why can't Levon and Donald get in the car and come down to Peekskill and play closer to me? If they can play in the sticks, they can play in my backyard. It's woodsy, very scenic. C'mon now! Why all the cool people gotta hang in Woodstock? Levon? Donald? Toddy Rundgren?!?!
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 09:12:21 ET
Posted by: Brian Urlacher, GO BEARS
NY BILL -- You are a dildo. A steely dan, if you will. Being banal is nothing to be proud of. Get a life and quit being a "wanna-be."
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 09:06:32 ET
Posted by: Billy,
Look, it's gonna take more than a couple of Woodstock hayseeds (Donald Fagen & Levon Helm) to get rid of one of the greatest minds since the dawn of man (no I'm not talkin' about Buddy Hackett, I'm talkin' about ME!). They're gonna hafta get up way before the rooster crows (literally) to outsmart this genius, this whiz kid, this polymath right here!
Oh sure, I could get hit with a lucky punch, but it won't be comin' from those two benchwarmers... I can see 'em now, sittin' out on the front porch whittling corncob pipes, hound dog holwing out of tune to "IGY" on the radio, complainin' non-stop about that "NYB douchebag", and plotting my downfall, but it ain't never gonna happen, not in this lifetime, not on this planet, not in the universe I created. NO SIR, I don't see it happenin' no time soon. Till then, I guess they'll just hafta write Rock songs or join the witness protection program. Till then, NYBill will still be here. Same as he ever was... Same as he ever was...
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 08:53:23 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
And you, dear Bill, are side splittingly hilarious. LOL
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 08:21:34 ET
Posted by: The Jamm'n Jay Rich, LA
NYB
Try rehab again...they will take your medicaid card
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 07:17:47 ET
Posted by: NYB, eternally yours
You guys are funny. Lemme ask you a question... Did you ever see that ghosthunter show on the Sci-Fi Channel? You know, the one where this group if Gen-X'ers, Yuppies, and Infomercial people explore an old abandoned mental institution or a prison or whatever and ask the ghosts silly questions like "What do you want?" and "Why are you here?", or even more hilariously, they ask the ghost to LEAVE? The ghosts neither answer nor leave of course, the only thing that happens is that the ghosts remain where they are and the ghosthunters get the shit scared out of them. Then they walk away from the experience feeling like they've learned something when they really haven't.
I love that show!
;)
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 06:18:08 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
8isenough:
Pithily and accurately put my friend. LOL
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 05:47:41 ET
Posted by: 8isenough, .
Bill, your posts to try and get your point across have become boring...
Please do everyone a favor and just FUCK OFF !
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 04:58:27 ET
Posted by: NYB,
Please... Donald Fagen couldn't win first place in a one-man nose picking contest. And didja ever see that goofy lookin' friend of his? The guy looks like he outta be standing by the left-turn line with a cardboard sign that says "Will Smoke Pot For Food".
I hear what you're sayin' though, I sent 'em some Motorhead videos and they didn't learn a fuckin' thing from it. Dumbasses...
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 04:36:52 ET
Posted by: Borat,
Very nice Gretchen, how much?
Date: Fri, November 17, 2006, 00:41:24 ET
Posted by: me, here
Fagen captures first place in fishing tournament with 10.76 catch.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111506/nen_6211056.shtml
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 19:08:57 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, behind the big casino
..as Levon mentioned...DF performed this past Saturday...
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061113/LIFE/61113015&SearchID=73263168737198
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 18:33:10 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
Phillipe
I got a copy of 'Beyond an Infinite' by the Beauty Room last week.
I agree it's a great album but only very slightly like Steely Dan (although I think the track "you don't know" has a 'king of the world' like feel to it!
Steve
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 17:56:44 ET
Posted by: Billy,
Levon, why dontcha get out in that shack and make some music people wanna hear before I gotta come up Woodstock and stomp your ass you old drunk.
XOXOXO
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 15:39:02 ET
Posted by: Philippe, France
Hello everyone, I bought a cd yesterday called "The beauty room" by a group of the same name, here, in France, they sell it with a sticker that says Steely Dan and Stevie Wonder. I did hear some SDan influences, not that much of Stevie Wonder but a bit of CSN&Y for the vocal harmonies and some America too. Catchy melodies, fine playing, no big names apart from Eumir Deodato arranging the strings on a song. They have a website: www.thebeautyroom.mu and you'll find some infos too at http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/
Give them a try and let the others on the list know what you think about them, hope you'll dig them.
Philippe
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 15:35:20 ET
Posted by: levon, upstate
No europe tour, but..... poughkeepsiejournal.com
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 12:21:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Naw, she tried for it but some dude jumped up onstage and snagged it. Too bad, she'd be a third of the way to a six-pack. Her Irvine score now resides on a shelf in her closet. Hmmm...wonder what I could get for it on eBay...
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 12:13:33 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Gretchen
Did you get DF's Coke can at the Soboba too?
Nice score
Thanks all for the input on Moody Bastard
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 11:43:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wild One - Pookie-bear, I blew that shot up to about 0.3 Megapixels, cropped it appropriately and emailed it off to the Chino State Prison bulletin board. So far this morning, hon, you've gotten over 200 hits. Have I gotta guy for you!
Gretchen, didn't that stunt you pulled at Soboba onstage garner you enough attention? BTW, did I buy that purse? You've got Donald's Coca-cola can, that should be enough, you can pull your skirt down now.
These Steely Dan broads are exhibitionist beeeaatches. What next?
Date: Thurs, November 16, 2006, 03:43:24 ET
Posted by: tony, home at last
W1P. I hope you and the guys and gals from W1P had a good show anyway .Keep up the good work. I won't forget the great advice about set list change on the fly and droping the band a bomb shell.... (10 mins before the show} Tonight the gig is 90% no vocals . Lots of love. Tony DWB
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 23:45:25 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Soboba
Hey, isn't anyone going to say how great I looked riding that bull in that Tequila shot? What does it take for a girl to get a compliment!!
G
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 22:46:56 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, on location
THE BEER BITCH lives!
I'm so pleased to be included in the trifecta: the Soboba bimbo, the bareback rider and me. All I can say is "Wow."
Not sure how much you blew up the shot, Raj, but mostly what I see is cascading beer. And that reminds me, Malc. I want my SD t-shirt back. You know...the one that says, The Things I Miss the Most? Love the clips by the way! You rock...just don't ever sit next to me again, K? K!
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 21:40:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Wild One - Baby, you are dabomb in that pic. Is that your tushie I'm lookin ar?
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 19:41:50 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Oy, that tequila ranch pin shot on Fogel’s site is enough to give a Mormon the DT’s…
as my buddy Larry would say “that’s a big bowl of wrong”
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 18:46:30 ET
Posted by: godwhacker, Jones Beach
More updates at Pete Fogel's.
Funny pics from the road
http://metalleg.com/2006misc.htm
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 16:31:41 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
If you want to vote for Morph the Cat on NPR's Best CD od 2006:
www.npr.org/programs/asc/surveys/bestof06"
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 15:04:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I resemble that last remark.
Reminds me of my hairline.
Donald on the bottom doing block chords on the box and Walter noodling Grant Green style on top.
Anything else is just too unsavory to cogitate. Theirs is a different kind of love.
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 14:59:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, somewhat moody myself......
I agree with you, bluprint. I love 11 TOW, it's very honest, Walter is not hiding his grizzly side anywhere, and he paints a self depreciating portrait of himself in a smoky haze, lamenting his present situation as the sun goes down while idealizing the past. Sometimes a moody bastard is a good thing, or, for the sake of creativity, a great thing.
G
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 13:47:40 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
I think that Walter was referring to himself on "this moody bastard"....
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 13:34:37 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
I always liked "This moody bastard" I think it's an over looked gem.
so honest, open and stuffed with feeling.
I guess I naturally believe the song to be about he and Fagen although the line "..you on the bottom and me on top" sends up a very red flag.
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 13:06:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I always thought it was the young Walter at school before he grew into half the magnificent monstrous mess that is Steely Dan.
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 12:54:55 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
I always thought that Walter was referring to himself on "this moody bastard"....
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 12:41:24 ET
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York Friggin City
Re-Update: Greetings, Blue Bookers...
For those yet to hear a healthy slice of it, the classic, "Like a Steely Dan Movie" featuring the New York Horns, has been uploaded to myspace page (above) along with an early version of "Model Prisoner" and the rockin' "WUNDerground Radio"...News about the re-release of "WUNDerground", "Tryin' to Sort It All Out" and the new Record, "Nostalgia In My Square Head" will be posted there...
Cheers, everyone,
ygk
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 12:16:30 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
John Mayer vs. Steely Dan
A few weeks ago I went on a little family visit. I was listening to John Mayers new album Continuum, specifically the tune Vultures, when my sister and mom grouped together saying: “Isn’t that Steely Dan?” - “No” I replied instantly, but they just insisted. Neither my mom nor sister are that interested in music. And that’s probably what makes their argument strong.
Mom and sis clearly picked up on the groove and though I’m not sure I agree Steely Dan and John Mayer are thet much alike, I do agree that they share a love for blues, soul, jazz and pop - more than rock.
I was in Amsterdam a few days earlier to tjeck out Mayer at a showcase and do an interview with him. I really like Continuum, but in most of the Danish reviews it’s been trashed, mostly by the same reviewers who don’t like Steely Dan, stating that it is polished and bland. Writers who are part the Rockism movement.
Here are some highlights from the interview, which when it comes to influences and musical perspective links the young Mr. Mayer to our guys:
Are you moving from pop musical snapshots to a more timeless music?
- Yeah, I’m trying. Again it’s at balance. You’re trying to have the immediacy of pop music that everybody can identify but at the same time have a soul background, or some background that will protect it from sounding like today 10 years from now.
Are you then moving forward by moving backwards in history?
- Yeah, giving up on things that don’t come natural to me and going for the things that do, and that is blues and soul, pop and jazz.
Some critics seem to think that the production on Continuum is very polished.
- If I’m gonna watch a movie I want the movie to be on focus. If I wanna listen to a record I want the record to sound good. I understand we are talking about the very DNA of rock’n’roll and that rock’n’roll is supposed to be rough. But rock’n’roll wasn’t supposed to be rough. Rock’n’roll were people trying to be clean but messing up. So if you can be clean then be clean.
- Rock’n’roll is about making a lot out of the little you are given. And the reason I’m not a rock artist is that I’ve applied myself to learning as much as I can on my instrument and rock’n’roll doesn’t really support that. Rock’n’roll is about looking good, picking up a guitar and how you can defy everyone else in your life by picking up this music and making something out of it instantly.
- That’s not where I come from. I come from more of a jazz side, which is trying to grow inside of the music. Bring more to it - not take more from it.
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 12:07:58 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
A little help here please. On WB's "Moody Bastard" is he talking about DF or is it girlfriend thing?
Thanks
I noticed watching the dvd of "Aja" that WB & DF are genuine friends or so it seemed.
Date: Wed, November 15, 2006, 07:35:25 ET
Posted by: deep sea, @hook line and sinker
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111506/nen_6211056.shtml
and partner?
Date: Tues, November 14, 2006, 17:36:54 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Bears will have an ally this Sunday. Bringing joy to all Chi-town.
Jets will be huddling with the fella in the Brite Nightgown.
Urlacher will be slammin' in the hinktown.
Jets QB will need to call Security Joan.
Shut the Meadowlands door.
Date: Tues, November 14, 2006, 00:04:14 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Tony, you too? We had three sick vocalists the same night as your Malibu show -- yikes! We adjusted the setlist and put on the lengthy instrumentals!
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 23:58:29 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Lonnie - I'd rahter talk about the 1995 Roseland tape.
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 22:10:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
[sic]
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 22:08:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Where indeed did their take of "Carey" go? The answer, I fear, lies deep down below. Rumor is that she herself took umbrage. I don't buy that story, she's a big fan. But for whatever reason, it sits in a vault unavailable to the regular fan.
Their mean ole Daddys but she likes them.
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 21:46:35 ET
Posted by: Bikeman, New Jerey
Is there anyone here who knows what happened to the Joni Mitchell tribute cd that was to be released? I know that Steely Dan is on it but it seems to have gone by the wayside.
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 14:51:19 ET
Posted by: Al Capone, St. Valentines Day
Lonnie, we'll have you next weekend. You drew the weaker team last time around. Next Sunday you won't be as lucky. But look at it this way, at least you'll finally know what decent pizza is.
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 13:59:54 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
The Microsoft 4 or so seconds, eh? Leave it to Fripp to come up with something memorable.
I’d like to hear the first 3 notes of YGT as that jingle.
Wasn’t Brian Ferry the one who did the sound for Intel, you know those four notes that you just can’t get out of your head?
I like the Dan tune comparisons.
I always think of “FM” and “Josie” as being similar in feel, it’s funny because I like Josie but not FM so much.
FM always reminds me of that Floyd tune; Gilmour’s and Becker’s solo’s in those songs are very similar.
“My Rival” and “Janie runaway” are similar in tonality to, although completely different in content; one is angry the other lusty.
One of the most appealing things I find about these guys is how they manage to write bouncy and up beat music and fill it with the filthiest and twisted lyrics ever conceived. I mean, how many times have I heard “Hey nineteen” at the grocery store and thought
“Oh, if only the shoppers knew”
And now for something completely different…
I just found out that this year’s Rockefeller Center Christmas tree comes from Ridgefield, Connecticut; my second home!
My grandparents live there and it’s where I met my wife, and on top of that, I know the people who are donating the tree (the Kinnairds)
The tree is coming from the little town that I grew up in and being brought to the big town that I now live in!!
Aahh, the ties that bind.
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 12:02:24 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ
Microsoft searches for just-right sound
By Allison Linn, Associated Press
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/15998068.htm
Here's the intro and then a skip ahead bit...
SEATTLE - Some musicians spend 18 months working on a whole album. At Microsoft Corp., that's how long it took to perfect just four seconds of sound.
Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound - a soft da-dum, da-dumm, with a lush fade-out - that millions of computer users will hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, when they turn on computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista operating system.
To set the right tone - clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," according to Microsoft's Steve Ball - the software maker recruited musician Robert Fripp.
Fripp, best known for his work with the '70s rock band King Crimson, recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. Then, it was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings to suss out just the right few seconds.
. . . .
There are a total of 45 Vista sounds that Microsoft has spent the last year and a half perfecting, including the dings you hear when you get a new e-mail, receive an error message, or log off your computer. Generally, these are more muted, less jarring variations of the prompts familiar to Windows XP users.
If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds of sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as the e-mail alert will be played trillions of times in years to come.
That's a lot of opportunity to annoy, offend - or, if the job is done right - please or appease computer users the world over.
One major concern was that the start-up sound not grow grating after a time.
"You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, but it's a paradox to also say, 'Oh, and by the way, we need people to love it the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear it,' " Ball said.
That's one reason he was glad to have 18 months to choose the clips.
"We had time to live with the music," Ball said.
______________________________________________________________________
Makes me wonder what Donald & Walter could come up with given 18 months to produced 4 seconds of music...
And what bits of existing Dan (or solo) works would be good for certain Windows sounds?
(I would think "Surf and/or Die" for IE browser errors.)
Date: Mon, November 13, 2006, 00:44:07 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Windy City
Take that NY G-Men. DO NOT mess with the BEARS!!!!
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 21:39:13 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Hardly off a yacht. Just trying to see my Bears keep up with those New Yawkers on the gridiron.
Interestingly, "shame" and "TIMTM" are two of my favorites in the "new" SD catalogue.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 20:55:58 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Dr Hoo of the Midwest, just off a yacht on Lake Michigan got the last two correct! Blues Beach has a few other derivations in there which could lead to other questions, but "Shame" seems to predominate. Although the timing is changed on "Things I Miss" that derivation from New Frontier is somehow present.
JH identified that little vibe at the end of the of the refrain on Slang, which is an interesting little detail. But I don't believe I have heard that used by the Dan/Don/Walt before or since EMG. I wouldn't rule it out, though. Also, since Slang IS a "walt"-type song we might want to listen for it closely to be used on his upcoming? record.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 20:19:38 ET
Posted by: me, here
What a shame about me = I can't function.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 19:51:05 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
...and New Frontier.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 19:48:38 ET
Posted by: ru with me drhoo, chicago
Blues Beach.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 19:12:43 ET
Posted by: JH,
Slang of Ages??
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 19:10:17 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer, Next Trivia Question
Speaking of EMG and "Things I Miss the Most", in that song there is a little four or five-note piano "transition" from verse to chorus very similar, if not the same, that is used repeatedly in a song from the Fagen solo repertoire. Name that song.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 18:41:42 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Denise of Hinktown- Sounds like you might know the song "What a Shame About Me" fairly well, if not play it a few times. Put in EMG and see which song musically(verse portion)reminds you of it first.
We are going to hold off revealing the answer until the West Coast Blue stalwarts dock into Marina Del Rey, Ventura and Sausalito from their weekend Pacific yachting trips and have their shot at it.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 17:21:52 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Nevermind. Can't Buy a Thrill. Duh.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 17:10:00 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hey Brain Strainer,
My last guess would be The Last Mall, but I'm really not sure. BTW, what is CBAT?
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 17:09:03 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
gigi, which by the way was Motion Picture of the Year in 1958, which was also the I.G.Y., which also happened to be the answer to one of the previous Trivia Questions--is the first with the correct answer!
We still have that question about which EMG song musically(verse primarily) was probably derived from What a Shame about Me? We'll let that sit a little longer before we come out with the answer.
Previous response was very close, let's say "sequentially" on the EMG record..
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 16:31:37 ET
Posted by: Le Jump,
Gigi. Vegas? Nah, probably not.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 16:24:41 ET
Posted by: gigi,
Springtime
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 13:06:11 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Things I miss the most? OOOOOOOhhhh. So close. We'll give this one some more time. Along this same line:
From which song of Fagen's solo records does "What a Shame about Me" appear to be most nearly derived musically(verses, not chorus)?
Denise of Hinktown; This is mostly by ear, got no sheet music. Still pissed I can't find CBAT.
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 11:27:06 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
YGK
Where can I buy your new CD? Email me if its not cool to post on the Blue
Thanks
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 08:39:12 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Hi Brain Strainer,
I would say The Things I Miss the Most, but I suspect I do not have the ear that you do, or perhaps the musical training?
Cheers,
Denise
Date: Sun, November 12, 2006, 05:58:00 ET
Posted by: tony, malibu inn
Thank you gretchen the gig was not to bad i had a bad cold that my son gave me but all in all not a bad show. cheers Tony
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 22:36:58 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer, next trivia question
Denise of Hinktown--Well it might have been a shittily worded question on my part, should have said Josie.
Brooklyn and What a Shame similar? I need to find CBAT to check out that one. Speaking of which:
Which song on EMG most likely derives its main body musically(not chorus/refrain) from What a Shame About Me?
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 19:37:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, La Jolla
Lurker Ray, glad I made such an impression!! Lol
Sorry to be missing Dr. Wu at the Malibu Inn tonight, good luck Tony, Paul, and the boys!!
G
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 13:21:01 ET
Posted by: 1st Grader,
What's a "torrent"?
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 13:04:29 ET
Posted by: Dear "Dear Ronnie", stop
Please don't link to that site here. SD's camp has already put the kibosh on other sites torrenting stuff and you've probably gone ahead and fucked the rest of us over by putting that site out there for all to see.
Thanks a lot.
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 07:26:20 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Misunderstood your question: was not comparing it to Josie. I thought the two I mentioed sounded similar to each other.
Am thoroughly embarrassed -- will shut up now!
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 03:28:09 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Roppongi
Lurker Ray -- You are a good man. You make a good point. Let me ponder what can be done. Roseland shows are gimmees, I agree. Soboba was very cool -- yet hotter than shit. I think we should be grateful for the Dan playing live anywhere. I'll see them the Wal-Mart parking lot in Poughkeepsie and be happy. We tend to debate meaningless points. LONG LIVE DON AND WALT!!!!!
Date: Sat, November 11, 2006, 01:29:50 ET
Posted by: Orchids and Summer Rain,
Nah, it only took me a minute or two. Hadn't seen your question till a few minutes before.
Those 3 songs were great. Maybe they should have stuck with the formula?
:)
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 23:45:17 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Correctamundo! It took my cousin "Dancer" to solve it.
Dancer-Did you need the hint to solve it? Took you awhile.
Denise of Hinktown-You were close geographically (Brooklyn)which is an adjacent borough to Manhattan. That song though is melodically not similar to Josie-it reminds me of an Eagles tune I can't recall. Did the hint throw you off?
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 23:01:51 ET
Posted by: BrainDancer,
Strainer,
That would be "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More"?
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 22:20:08 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny Malibu
Roseland Ronnie -
I owe you an apology buddy. I had no idea there
was a Soundboard of the 95 Roseland show. I have
a crappy audience recording. But that being said,
do you have to rub our faces in it? Brag and then
not share. I would LOVE to have great recording of
"On the Dunes" live and the entire show. I understand
the situation. But surely could'nt we create some sort
of "affidavit" the "True Blue" Blue Boarders would be
willing to sign, stating that we wouldn't trade or sell
copies? And we could create a "mail-vine" thingy? It is
possible you know to create "password" protected "Play Only"
CD copies. I can asure you there are plenty of people here
who would be willing to pay the cost to create those CD's.
It's great you have "conections", but damn dude, don't
flaunt it and not share with us. That ain't cool. It's sad
that we have to worry about "flying under the raydar" when
talking about such things. Scared of the "Mary Shut The
Garden Door" dudes that both Donald and Walter say they dispise.
It's so hypocritical. It's a shame that they don't sell
quality CD's and Pro shot DVD's of all of their shows like
Peter Gabriel and The Who(Two) does. They would make "money".
And Fagen has to whine and complain that he didn't "make any
money" on his solo tour this past spring. Boo, hoo, hoo.
He would have made "rent" by selling live CD's of all of the
dates from his solo tour. You're a hypocrite Fagen, but we still
love you. Ultimately, it's hoops show here and he's the boss.
I was just brought up to be "frank & honest" and be willing to
point out the "500 Pound Gorilla" sitting here in the Blue.
And finally, I'd like to again address Gretchen's comments about
the Soboba show from last night. Yes it was a "Hot, dirty, dusty, backwater cesspool". But that is what made it so special.
It is so easy for Steely Dan to do a show for the "faithful" at
Roseland. People would wet them selves at Roseland just hear
just Donald play melodica all night backed by Walter on the uke.
ALL of the Roseland shows were "gimmees". Way too easy. Like
shooting fish in a barrel. It was much more satisfying to see
Steely Dan take the Soboba crowd in that "Hot, dirty, dusty, backwater cesspool" and by the third song they were "the faithful".
Willing to "Drink the Jim Jones Kool-Aid" if they asked them to.
Don & Walt had them eating out of the palm of their hands. That is
why Walter had such a huge smile on his face all night and it caused
the "private and never emotional" Fagen to shout, "Soboba!, Soboba!, Soboba!" at the end of the show.
Roseland shows are easy. Soboba, was "earned". That is why it is
my favorite Steely Dan show EVER.
Just my "Two Tassels".
p.s.> Brother Pete Fogel, we just LOVE all of those new photos!!!
Please keep 'em coming! But man, how about those "glasses" on
Donald! You could "spit in them" and go snorkeling!
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 19:18:28 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
A wild guess: Brooklyn and What a Shame About Me
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 19:06:49 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
Nobody has gotten this one yet? The old Blue mare just ain't what she used to be.
"People talk about FM and Josie as being nearly the same. What other song is SO similar that you would know it even if only the words were changed?"
HINT: The opposite of the song's title is true for guys like YGK and Alkali
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 18:24:58 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Just listened to Jack of Speed and IGY back-to-back...is "lope" the tempo? (Correct musical term?)
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 18:11:01 ET
Posted by: Queeg, Up on the hill
Amen to the Hoopmeister. It's 6:05 and I am under the radar with Ronnie.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 18:09:47 ET
Posted by: Johnny Quest, stickin' it to the man
Uh Hoops? What about all those bootleg videos on YouTube? Fact is, you can't control the stuff. It's nearly impossible.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 17:58:03 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Rajah,
Forgive my ignorance: "lope?" please explain...
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 17:52:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, back to the first few days the blue started...
-----Date: Tues, June 26, 2001, 00:40:35-----
Posted by: hoops,
Wanted to address the boots comment:
When the Dandom Digest was started in 1993 and until 1999, I had to use University computers for it since the Internet wasn't ubiquitous like it was today. I was also part of a copyright committee there. So that's a lot of the reason why boots were hush-hush.
But the truth is, not only are such technically "illicit" recordings a reality, they are often key to fully understanding and appreciating the work of an artist. Any good Beatles book mentions and discusses their unreleased, unfinished recordings. Several of my colleagues are noted musicologists. Many of them recognize the value of such recordings and possess them. But do they distribute them in their classes? Of course not.
There's been a few times when I have helped record companies select bonus tracks for CD reissues. I found that those who produce these re-releases mostly consult the people and fans who are very familiar with and have the bootlegs even though they ironically don't sanction them.
One thing I don't get: some people can't talk about unreleased recordings without offering them like a fool screaming "doses!?" at a Grateful Dead show. Now that's not a cool thing.
Do I think Walter and Donald have boots of their favorite players? Most likely so--but they don't offer them on the net. [ Heck SD.com when it first started even linked a fan discography that included "a few naughty ones," as they termed it. ]
Hey, boots exist and should be talked about for the whole picture. But for your own benefit, fly low and be cool.
----
As a postscript: The biggest problem is that when third paties start doing this as a routine and overt thing, it opens the Blue up to issues and complications that would make it such it couldn't continue. Please respect that.
Thanks.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 16:45:16 ET
Posted by: Queeg, At Sea
C'Mon now, Hoops, we all know you have your own stash of SD "unofficial" stuff. Knock it off.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 15:27:38 ET
Posted by: Johnny Quest,
When I was a kid, this girl's father told me what NOT TO DO with his daughter.
It didn't work.
And YES, it was worth it!
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 15:22:33 ET
Posted by: True DAT,
Maybe Donald will put his "Mick Jaggar" clip up on YouTube for us.
"Taping" is still "Taping". No matter what form of device was used.
"Doing what you were told NOT TO DO" is still "Doing what you were told NOT TO DO". I still agree with Ray, "hypocrisy" is still "hypocrisy". Now I want you all to get up and go to your windows and shout, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it no more!!!!"
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 15:03:35 ET
Posted by: Bugs Bunny , albuquerque
Hey check this out! I just got a sound board recording of the Soboba show! In the background you can hear Donald saying... "What the hell happened to my Coke can?".
I dunno, I'm getting bored of this sound board discussion. Do I sound bored to you?
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 14:45:03 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
There's a huge difference between having a seconds-long clip taken with your relatively crappy cell phone camera and vieweing it just there, versus distributing full audience recordings and sound board tapes. Huge difference. Knock it off.
jim
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 13:45:00 ET
Posted by: Bugs Moran,
I never realized there was a "Steely Dan Black Market" before.
I'll get my people right on it...
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 13:39:26 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Roseland in NYC
The "stuff" that I get from my sources is not your average "audience recording" nonsense. Soundboards and very high quality digital recordings are hard to come by. My sources do not want these recordings out there on the Trader's Den for anyone and everyone to have access to. This is the deal I have with them. I am aware of the mass of crappy aud recordings that are out there and do not listen to them often. I'd rather have one prime Roseland 1995 soundboard than 4 average recordings from any of the other tours.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 11:48:27 ET
Posted by: True DAT,
Hey Ronnie -
Well why not put it up at the Traders Den? And share it with all of
us here on the true BLUE. If you are technologically "challenged"
why not start a "snail mail vine"? By the way, is your recording
a Soundboard or Audience Recording?
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 11:42:30 ET
Posted by: Everyone Knew, about San Diego and Soboba sets
Thats because MM wasnt playing with SD that nite.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 11:38:42 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Roseland
LURKER RAY -- who says my recording of Roseland 1995 is poor quality. I am aware of the recording that has a lot of hissing on it. There is another "official" recording that I am guessing Mr. Fogel and others have that is quite fabulous. I happened to get my copy from one of the members of the Roseland 1995 band. As a huge fan of "On the Dunes," that recording is a gem. The whole show is magical. It was a blast to be there. Have a happy weekend.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 11:25:35 ET
Posted by: Dont Get, your hopes up
There are no plans for an 07 tour.
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 11:07:16 ET
Posted by: True DAT,
I could not agree more Lurker Ray!
<<Anything else is pure hypocrisy -- Donald Fagen IS A TAPER!!!>>
So how about it Mr. Pete Fogel!!!!! What are you gonna do, just
sit and grow old with all that great sh*t? I second the call,
THE TIME HAS COME.
PS- Your photos are remarkable!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 10:34:35 ET
Posted by: Hey Ray!,
Lurker Ray - Pete Fogel has a lot more than a Dr. Wu video tape in his vast collection. But since you'll never see it ,why don't you enjoy (and settle) for some of the brand new pictures that seem to be popping up every day on his new and improved re- vamped website. Some of those early DF pre- comeback shots are fantastic! I also see some new pictures on that match game puzzle (which by the way, is a lot of fun) Thanks Pete, and keep em coming!
http://metalleg.com/pre_sd.htm
p.s Pete- How about some South Hampton pictures where Don's playing that old crappy piano in that high school auditorium!
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 09:43:46 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
I'm not one to get involved with politics, but this is a classic:
Go to "google" and search "failure". An interesting first item on the list.
Peace to all.
Ann
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 08:50:47 ET
Posted by: c.p., Houston
I love Steely Dan!
<a href="http://www.pedalcarplanet.com/">PedalCarPlanet.com</a>
Pedal Cars, Pedal Planes, Tricycles, & More!
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 04:09:31 ET
Posted by: Alfred Hitchcock, vertigo
Oh look, we've just turned up this video of the Southampton H.S. show. It was a rousing time as you can see.
Enjoy,
Alfred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRBjZxTF1c&mode=related&search=
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 03:18:04 ET
Posted by: Rod Serling, the middle ground between light and shadow
Personally I always thought the Southampton High School show far surpassed anything they've done to date.
It was... it was... a dimension of sight and sound. Each song like a heartbeat, parceling out every hour into breathless minutes of watching, waiting, and dreading. It was good times...
http://www.rod-serling.com/wav/tzone/seas1/episod10/01_judge.wav
http://www.rod-serling.com/wav/tzone/seas1/episod28/01_other.wav
Date: Fri, November 10, 2006, 00:13:37 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Coming Out of Lurkerdom
Wow. As the person who started this whole
Roseland vs. Soboba "Pissing Contest" with
my post on August 1st, I must say it's time
to put aside the bickering and extend a hand
across the aisle and bring some unity to our
greater Dandom. I am willing to to agree with
the Commish:
"Roseland 2003 (Steely "home" turf) was probably
their best home game."
"Soboba 2006 was probably their best road game."
Though as someone who has been financially fortunate
enough to attend the Roseland 95, both Roseland 2003
shows, and Soboba and San Diego 2006, I agree with
hoops when it it comes to "The Roseland" shows. Gretch,
I am sorry to here you had a "Bad time at the Soboba show".
But then again you raved about the Wiltern show and Donald
is on record as "hating it". Hell, I have friends who hated
the Roseland 2003 shows because of the "Crowd". I think
Girl Margaret's testimony illustrates their feelings.
I personally liked the Roseland 1995 show better than
the 2003 shows. Maybe it was the set list. Maybe it
was the "vibes" (You haven't seen or heard a Steely show
until you hear the songs with a killer vibe player,
Bill Ware). Maybe it was because I got into the Letterman
show. Maybe it was because one of my favorite cities,
had not "changed" yet in 1995. I dunno. I still don't
know why "Roseland Ronnie" keeps exhaulting the virtues
of this "Roseland 1995 Bootleg". The sound is quite dreadful.
The only reason to track it down is for the only live version
of "On the Dunes". Maybe as someone who spent there summers
on Glen Lake at the foot of "The Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes
National Lakeshore", and who just LOVES that tune, that is
why I am fonder of the Roseland 1995 show. I still don't
know why hoops won't let us talk about trading bootlegs.
I mean, Donald Fagen - IS A TAPER!!!!!
Exhibit A: From the San Francisco Chronical March 26, 2006 -
"Wanna see something funny?" Fagen says, waving his cell phone overhead. "I went to see the Rolling Stones at MSG recently, and I had seats right next to the stage, and look!" He punches a button, and a muffled video starts playing of Jagger prancing onstage.
"That's my Mick Jagger film," Fagen sighs, flipping the device closed."
Exhibit B: Donald Fagen's Madison Square Garden 2006 Rolling
Stones Ticket that CLEARLY states on the ticket-
"NO AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDING ALLOWED"!!!!!!!!!!!
Now come'on Brother Pete Fogel. Why not share that killer
"Dr. Wu Soundcheck" video you have! We know you got it brother!
If this is THE PREMIER Steely Dan website, lets be able to talk
and trade freely, after all, Donald Fagen is a TAPER!!!!!!
Anything else is pure hypocrisy.
And why are people jumping down Rajah's throat when he says he
has the "skinny" that they will tour in 2007? Earlier this year
we were saying that Soboba & San Diego were the two MUST SEE shows
of the 2006 tour. A bunch of people on the Blue threw us under the bus when Rajah spoke up and said that they would probably be the ONLY two shows of the 2006 tour with two full sets. Well guess what,
they were the the two MUST SEE shows of the tour. Soboba!, Soboba!
Soboba! was THE show of the tour. No one at Roseland ever got to see and hear "Doctor Wu". You guys in New York get to see some great shows, no doubt. But finally next month I am going to be able to see
7 Woody Allen & His Dixieland Jazz Band shows. 5 out here in
California and 2 including New Years Eve in Florida, and I am stoked
folks! Though I am stll bummed that the Donald Fagen Milan Show&Ski
excursion is not to be.
I just LOVE the discourse here on the Blue. And I am so greatful to hoops for this site. But the time has come to be able to talk and trade freely. Donald Fagen IS A TAPER. So let freedom ring. It's time to put aside are our Roseland vs. Soboba philosophical differences and let's hope that next summer we will be arguing about
the "new" greatest Steely Dan show ever.
Good night all.
Exit stage left...even.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 23:37:47 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Mizar 5
Gretchen -- well spoken. Could not agree more. And there are those who think that was better than Roseland or numerous other venues. Very odd, indeed.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 22:41:26 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, far away from here
Although the show itself was great, Soboba was the most miserable experience I have ever had at a concert. Hot, dirty, dusty, backwater cesspool. I would never go there again even if Jesus Christ were appearing for a limited engagement. The attention starved fans jumping on stage had that mentality of "Gee, we don't get to town too often, but when we do, whoo-hoo!" Never-a-fucking-gain.
G
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 20:31:26 ET
Posted by: Snagglepuss,
Its NOT murgat-"roid". Mergatroix!
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 20:18:53 ET
Posted by: Dalai Lama, Rajah's agent
My client only speaks when spoken to.
Take it, Murgatroid.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 20:07:35 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,
HEY here is a good one
People talk about FM and Josie as being nearly the same. What other song is SO similar that you would know it even if only the words were changed?
Rajah-please hold off for an hour or so to give other's a chance
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 19:59:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thanks, I think. I'll take Monty's Cookie Jar for $400.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 19:49:23 ET
Posted by: Trivia Question,
Rajah Wins! He also gets extra credit for Jack of Speed.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 19:15:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Thematically, yes, Mall and king are linked. Musically, i hear IGY and Jack of Speed because of the "lope."
Yeah, all those varying factors would come into play when choosing a best concert. Very difficult and very subjective. Do we trust Walter's and many die-hards' asessment of Roseland? Very compelling that. From their perspective we are constrined to I should think.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 19:12:07 ET
Posted by: replica,
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 18:41:34 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland
king of the world??
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 18:20:42 ET
Posted by: Trivial Question,
Someone earlier was talking about related SD songs
What song in the entire body of the Dan/Don/Walt work is "The Last Mall" probably derived from?
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 18:00:06 ET
Posted by: Sports Commish,, Orifice of the Commish
A sports analogy might settle this dispute short term:
Roseland 2003 (Steely "home" turf) was probably their best home game.
Soboba 2006 was probably their best road game.
Note: We will leave it up to further discussion for those who would peel the onion further as to what "best" show actually means....Venue? Crowd? Band Performance? Set List? Libations? Parking? Climate Control? Sound System? Lighting? Visuals? Smoke Machines? Weighing these factors of various import could lead to the conclusion, long term, that NEITHER of these shows "wins"..
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 17:30:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah, why I outta...
And you sound like a broken record from the 70s. Sour grapes, sour schmapes. You should have your fond memories of Roseland '03, you should live and be well. Send me a friggin board recording why dontcha. Now I know what it means when they say The Truth hurts cause your killing me, Larry.
Eagles = CSN's watered down and refried beans
Steely Dan's first 7 albums = 70s L.A. poured over 50s Bebop.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 17:22:29 ET
Posted by: BrainDancer,
Steely Dan = Metro New York sound.
The Eagles = The 70's California sound
Any questions?
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 17:11:32 ET
Posted by: Lenny Dykstra, Philly
Girl Margaret - And Keith Carlocks girlfriend isn't married either. (wink, wink)
That's fabulous!
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 17:08:51 ET
Posted by: The Truth, Raj
"I heard you were packed in there like sardines and the crush was something awful. Not my idea of a good time".
Rajah - Roseland was an awesome time! It seemed like everybody loved it but you. Oh, that's right you weren't there LOL!
You sound like sour grapes everytime the Roseland show is brought up. Saturday night on 52nd street BLEW AWAY the Soboba show. I know you don't want to hear this, but it'true!
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 16:31:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Exactly, dear, I was being a bit...facetious and understated when I used the word "cozy." I heard you were packed in there like sardines and the crush was something awful. Not my idea of a good time. Long live Woodstock and everything but I like my personal space at a concert.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 16:13:34 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Rajah, Roseland = cozy? Don't get me wrong, I heart Roseland like whoa but I wouldn't describe the atmosphere as "cozy." At the Friday night show someone - perhaps a few too many cocktails into the evening - started dancing something that looked like a terrible spasm crossed with the funky chicken in a mosh pit. And that someone decided to dance literally right on top of me. Now, I'm all for dancing at concerts, but when I'm getting an elbow to the forehead, I draw the line.
Carolyn and Michael were absent from the Saturday show because Michael got married that night.
And last I checked Carlock ain't married.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 16:08:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
...is exactly what I'm sayin. That skeevy som-bitch Mistra Dan could only be from California...and LA in particular.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:51:51 ET
Posted by: William Wright,
Sure, DF and WB are NYC, period. But "Mr. Steely Dan" is undoubtedly Californian.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:47:58 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah - Yes, Carolyn and Michael were absent from the Saturday night show . So Steely Dan put on their best show ever the one night Carolyn and Michael weren't in the band?. What does that say?
Maybe it's time for Becker and Fagen to re- think the configuration of the band. Come to think of it, the girl that replaced Carolyn made a huge difference! She put a soulful punch into the female choir that Carolyn (as great as she is) just couldn't do. I think her name was Tawana.
Fagen raised in NJ - 25 miles outside of NYC.
Becker raised in Queens- in NYC
These guys are not Californians by any means. Never were, never will be.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:15:04 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Roseland
Raj -- the Dan (i.e, Don and Walt) are New Yorkers through and through. What's this nonsense about them being LA Dudes. C'Mon now.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:14:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah, addendum
I've heard that from quite a few folks, Bob. Weren't Carolyn and Michael absent from that 2nd night?
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:10:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Living out here for any appreciable span of time is bound to skew your brain wave patterns for life. West of Hollywood might have been their last, or latest, take on LA, it's very cool jazz, especially Chris Potter's work on it. But everything in the Old Testament Era is LA all the way. Especially AJA. In any case, so many of their tunes have been informed by these very deceptive surroundings out here. Morph, I agree, is a NYC record.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 15:07:26 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Rajah - The funny thing about Roseland 2003 was that Friday night was a very good show (as far as SD shows go). Saturday night for some reason transcended the Friday night show and every other show they did that I was ever at. What a difference 24 hour hours made!
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 14:47:46 ET
Posted by: Alkali, Old Manhattan
Yea Raj, I’ll agree that some of their tunes are L.A. tinged but, for the most part they're still New Yorkers at heart; right down to their accents.
One of the most interesting descriptions of their music was someone telling me that they are offspring’s of David Clayton Thomas and Carlos Santana.
Ouch!
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 14:15:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
C'mon Alkali, I love my old Manhattan town but these guys reek Los Angeles. Mr. Steely Dan in all his unwholesome glory is an Angelino fer shur.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 13:29:53 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Yea, there’s something proper about the Dan playing a NY stage.
Something right, something correct and absolutely nothing else like it.
It’s their NY sound.
That unmistakable attitude, coolness and funk.
And it is indelibly drawn from their namesake beatnik parents, soulful uncles and bebop grandparents.
There’s a certain intelligence in the writing that gives it an east coast drawl.
There’s this cool Jazz era musical style in the Gil Evans voicing (“Aja”, “Dr. Wu”and “Peg”) and even a warm and romantic tonality that Debussy himself would appreciate(the chorus in “Gaslighting Abby” and the bridge in “Almost Gothic”)
This special combination could never have come out of anywhere else but NY.
The west coast just isn’t sophisticated or intelligent enough.
(No offense but in general one doesn’t associate the west coast with rocket surgery)
So, Sobaba and Roseland may have indeed been killer shows with perfect sound, great atmosphere and frantic energy from the band and audience but, they’re still not NY!
There’s no place like home.
“Could it be that I have found my home at last
Home at last”
A vast, ghostly cat-thing descends on New York City, bestowing on its citizens a kind of rapture.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 13:29:47 ET
Posted by: Spell Check,
Tassel
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 13:17:03 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Awesome! Thanks Rajah
Every Thursday is my tassle day
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 11:51:55 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA
Paging Rajah of Erase -- you have a PM on the Yellow
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 10:05:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I wear tassels on my nipples during the Holiday season. It shocks the children.
Craig, Roseland as it has been described to me by a few folks was indeed an awesome show (there's that awesome again)taking place in the storied Roseland Ballroom at 52nd and Broadway in Manhattan. It opened in 1920, it holds about 2000 people. They held all those marathon dances there in the Depession Era like in They Shoot Horses Don't They (awesome flick). It's also a standing only concert venue and when it's packed everybody's crushed in together real cozy-like. So the two nights they played there in 2003 the faithful were all in attendance, crushed up front against the stage. Lots of pot smoke and everyone apparently sang along with Donald almost drowning him out. Walter called it their best show ever.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 07:29:21 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Hey sonny, enough with the "A bunch of old, tassel loafer wearing farts" bullshit. I'm wearing 'em right now and they look fine on old farts. Someday you'll be wearing them or the equivalent so don't knock it.
Date: Thurs, November 09, 2006, 06:34:55 ET
Posted by: LancerFermo, Fermo
Ïðèâåò, áðàòâà
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 22:56:43 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hoops
Would you mind sharing what happened at Roseland 95
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 20:45:18 ET
Posted by: Bridge Of Light,
Here we go with this "TOO OLD" shit again! You think these guys don't know anything about computers and sequencers and stuff? Walter's got an Apple! Any questions? Didn't think so!
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 20:01:26 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
brain dancer: see all of 11TOW.
i think don and walt are too old for electronica, but i'd love to see them try.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 18:36:31 ET
Posted by: Mr. Green,
"Rhymes" Mr. Raja.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 18:03:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
We had that lovely vocal of Donald's on the bonus track of the Al Green cover. There's your electa-funk. What was it called again?
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 17:53:23 ET
Posted by: BrainDancer,
Electronica I tellya. We need more Electronica in this stuff. Nobody would ever suspect that. The element of suprise my friends! SD will shock the world with it's version of Jazz-Funktronica!
Hey, it could happen!
(The terms "Jazztronica, Funktronica, and Jazz-Funktronica are trademarked terms of BrainDancer enterprises Inc.. All rights reserved.)
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 15:22:38 ET
Posted by: Lefty Jones, Sunny and Warm
NY IN JANUARY?????!!!!!
No thanks, brrrrrrrrrr. Please come back to sunny California.
You won't get mugged out here Donald!
Happy Post Election everyone! I hope they get all of the winning Dems on an aircraft carrier with a big banner that says,
"Mission Accomplished".
More praises for Soboba from the Blue this year:
Hey, The Performance at The Sobaba Casino... even when it was 100 degrees (literally...) was stronger... I had never heard Fagen in better voice than Friday Night... and the SOUND was perfect!! Freddie's sound was right on.
Another thing... That Vegas crowd was a dozy group... wow... not that Friday's at Sobaba was THAT hip... (Chicago this past Spring on The DF tour set the standard there..) But the Sobaba crowd... drunk as they were... (Did I say it was hot??? Real women drink two.. then two more... then two more... then..._ But they got into it! Dancing up a storm... hey, I never thought I see a SD show where the fans were jumping on the stage like they were Friday Night... the 12 feet between the front row and the stage for the last few tunes was packed with dancers... It was something else... and THE BAND RESPONDED! Walter was totally cracking up...
I would say that the Lucky Bastards were those of us @SOBOBA.
This is the absolute truth for at least seven reasons:
1. No Mike McD hogging up half the show which allowed for nearly three hours of PURE Dan. Pure, unadulterated fucking DAN!
2. Huge venue with good accomodations on site to relax, drink, gamble, chill etc. No seedy neighborhoods, traffic jams, crack houses or hotels that rent by the hour.
3. About 20 feet between the front row and the stage. You could and did have a MOSH PIT going on and not infringe on anybody.
4. Several deep cuts including Glam Pro, Walter's solo performance of Monkey and just about all of the radio hits with the exception Reelin in the Years and Deacon and there was some improv type stuff with Show Biz and Turtle Talk.
5. The crowd was well lubricated and medicated, there weren't going to be any donut-eating "law" enforcers hiding in the mesquite or cactus waiting to pounce when fans exited the venue. And since Soboba is a 24/7 operation you could sleep it off if necessary.
6. Security was maintained but not with a Gestapo approach.
7. The venue was so huge that you could walk around and get every possible view and the sweet spots of the sound system.
What took place at SOBOBA in late July 2006 transcended Dandom. It was a watershed event in rock. People beyond Dandom still speak of it.
In the history of Rock you had Woodstock, Monterrey, Altamont, Live Aid, Lollapalooza etc,
Now you have SOBOBA 2006.
Soboba will take its rightful place among the most significant events in the history of Dandom and in the first 50 or so years of the Rock Era.
Wouldn't be surprised if Steely Dan put together a "Live at Soboba" package as their Coda, to what could be the final tour.
As Donald said at the end of that killer show:
"Soboba! Soboba! Soboba!"
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 15:07:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
If only repeating it in CAPS on some fan forum would make it happen--right "Dr Wu"? :-)
--
These all sounds like great shows (Roseland '95, Roseland 2003, and Soboba '06) but also consider the personal biases too. My favorite in a lot of ways was Roseland '95 but part of that had to do with my personal circumstances leading up to it as well. So that's clearly biased on my part.
jim
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 15:03:15 ET
Posted by: Bob,
I came on here yesterday and I'll say it again. I was at Soboba and Roseland. I wasn't at Roseland in 1995 but I was at both the Friday and Saturday night shows in 2003. Anyone that thinks that the Soboba show was better than the Saturday night Roseland show, wasn't at the Saturday night Roseland show. I've seen an average of seven shows on every tour since 1994 and nothing has topped Roseland 2003!
Roseland in January? Shit! I'd be there in a flash!
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 14:46:45 ET
Posted by: ROSELAND IN JANUARY, ROSELAND
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
ROSELAND in JANUARY!
R O S E L A N D in J A N U A R Y !
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 14:33:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Personally, I intend to hang onto whatever immaturity I still have left. Serious grownups scare the bejeezus outta me.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 14:19:32 ET
Posted by: Rose, Land
Yes, Roseland was and will always be the best venue for Steely Dan. Hey, how about doing two nights at Roseland in, say, January?
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 14:19:00 ET
Posted by: Blonde, at Soboba
Would be like takeing the skin boat to tuna town.Still Soboba was great.Better than Vegas.Which was also a great show.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 14:14:50 ET
Posted by: startled, in the northwest
I check this site once in a while to see if there's any inside info on SD that I'm missing out on. Can someone PLEASE tell me why you're still talking about some trashy drunk chick dancing at a SD concert (Sodoba)? Even GM's obsession with (married?) Carlock of Ann from Borneo's obseesion with (married?) Jeff Baxter doesn't come close to the level of 14-year-old-boy immaturity displayed by the older male members of this chat. Just curious.....
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 13:56:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I thought she was charming in her little black number. No one will ever mistake her for Grace Kelly but she possessed a kind of rough and tumble charm, game girl that she was, and a ton of chutzpah.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 13:34:09 ET
Posted by: The blonde at Soboba, Rode hard and put away wet
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 12:36:23 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Jane Street
I must weigh in and support Ronald from Roseland. You cannot beat the energy in Manhattan when seeing SD. The ultimate gig is to see SD at home in the heart of NYC. Roseland shows are rare and special treats. They should not be missed. I was at Roseland and was right behind Ed Beatty who is prominently feature in the Roseland photo that is on the SD site. To the Firefigther guy who loves Soboba so dearly, I can vouch for the fact that there was plenty of drinking and dancing going on at Roseland. Mind you, there was not a mosh pit and slam dancing, but then again there was none of that in the middle of nowhere at Soboba. The "beat up" blonde on stage who needed attention did not make that a great show. Try Roseland sometime (if they play there again) and you will understand what the real deal is.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 12:29:26 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Everywhere
To Firefighter man and others -- I am guessing you have NEVER been to Roseland or any other shows outside the depressing area surrounding Soboba. Too much Californication. Roseland 1995 was awesome. Reliving it via the wonderful world of digitial music is fabuloso. Roseland 1995 is the best set list EVER by the Dan. Roseland 2003 was the best as WB exclaimed from the stage on that glorious night. If you think that place was not rocking in 2003 and there was no drinking and dancing going on with 3,000 packed in there, then you need get out of your smack trance, check in to Camarillo and get a job. Unlike you, I was at Soboba this year (as well as 4 other shows) and I was at all Roseland shows. Soboba was hot and nasty. Yes, it was w/out MM and that made it better in and of itself, but the vibe is NOTHING like Roseland, the Gorge, Camden or Jones Beach. Some bimbette dancing on the stage does not make a great concert -- that is just a spectacle for the drunkards who cannot afford to live in a better area of Calif. If you need to feel that Soboba was the bomb, then have at it. I was also at Temecula for DF 2006 and that was a great show -- not as good as the vibe in Oakland, but a damn good show. And . . . you know what? There was no bimbette dancing on the stage.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 12:07:55 ET
Posted by: W1P, Changes
Rajah, I still have the blues for you -- what has happened to those Pretzel Logic shows in the Valley? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQHBOCekkb0
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 11:54:28 ET
Posted by: Remembering the Fire Fighters, Soboba
SOBOBA! SOBOBA! SOBOBA!
DANCING! DANCING! DANCING!
ROSELAND 2003
A bunch of old, tassel loafer wearing farts, just standing at the front of the stage. No hot chicks. Just check out the photo at
SD.com.
Donald is clearly on record as loving the dancing up front.
From Lexi Says from 3/30/2006:
DF, on the bus to San Diego, answered his cell earlier today:
“It’s always the same with these L.A. audiences. We had so much fun in Vegas and Temecula with all the dancing drunk people. In L.A., with all the too-cool-for-school music biz people out there, you can’t seem to get much of a response, so you start working too hard, become unmusical, you start feeling like an asshole, like Sammy Davis, Jr. or something. Sometimes I wish my mom had taught me to tap... it would have come in handy.
The Roseland 2003 crowds were just the same, too cool for school.
No drinking or dancing up front. Again, just a a bunch of old, tassel loafer wearing farts, just standing at the front of the stage.
Soboba! Soboba! Soboba!
'Nuff Said.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 10:22:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Woke up this morning feeling like democracy isn't completely dead in this great experimental nation of ours. America has spoken and to these ears, it's a beautiful thing. Now let's convene the Grand Jury and send out some subpoenas. I'm thinking the Reverend Al Sharpton as Special Prosecutor.
I have never posited that the Soboba show was the best Steely Dan concert ever. I do think it was a highlight this time around. Many people whose opinions I respect have repeatedly asserted that Roseland 2003 was their best experience and I don't doubt them. I think Donald's show in Chicago was aces last March. Universal in 2000 was awesome as we like to say about just about anything here in LA. 2YK was their best setlist for me. Live shows are much more about group dynamic than they are about technical proficiency ne c'est pas?
And creativity at a later age should be measured on a different scale and with different parameters, IMH.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 07:54:08 ET
Posted by: MOTHRA!, cursin' the foibles of man
What the fuck is an "ID"?
Oh you mean like "Cousin ID" from the Addams Family? No wait... that was "Cousin IT" (who actually looked like a younger version of Walter Becker). Speaking of the Addams Family, I always thought that "Gomez" was a dead ringer for Donald Fagen. I can see him chasing Libby around the house right now, kissing her up the arm and begging her to talk to him in French...
Face it people, NYB is a genius and not only that, he's right about Steely Dan writing more surf music! Electronica-based SURF MUSIC! And that whole bit about "DIVERSITY" being the main ingredient of Steely Dan's success, HE'S RIGHT ABOUT THAT! Think about it, back in the 70's Steely Dan brought DIVERSITY to modern music. Everything back then was either Rock, Folk-Rock, Motown, Dance, Jazz, or Country. Steely Dan tied it all together with a neat little bow! Okay so they didn't call their band "NYB"... I've since forgiven 'em for that, BUT IT'S TIME TO RE-DIVERSIFY! It's time to grab all of the current genres and do something wacked-out creative with it all! Something nobody would expect from these guys. Something so damned off the wall that EVEN I'LL be floored by it! I know what you're thinking, "NYB is so damned prescient he couldn't possibly be floored by anything", and you're right! But with my help I really think that they could be *world-shakers again!
WERD!
*(see "Cool Hand Luke")
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 02:50:30 ET
Posted by: Philippe, Pau
Salut la compagnie, between two insult messages, I would like to post what I consider like a Steely Dan related message. For those of us who think that Prefab Sprout has something to do with the Dan , Paddy Mc Alloon often quotes "Aja" as one of his favourite albums, just check that site: http://www.prefabsprout.net/media.html , among a lot of videos, live recordings and other rarities, you can download three cd's full of gems, unreleased songs, demos, b-sides. For example, listen to the songs number 6 and 14 on the first cd.
It should bring a broad smile on your face, like it did on mine. Have a nice day.
Philippe
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 01:22:04 ET
Posted by: C. Jung,, Transactionally Speaking.....
Here are some fairly inviolable axioms when it comes to human nature:
Creativity is largely based on the id (childlike state), with advancing age there is generally loss of id. Id, when managed by the superego is a most powerful combination. With id, ALL things are possible--superego sets practical limits based on experience/wisdom tempering/harnessing the unbridled id's creativity with pragmatism that results in the most optimal product (art, scientific advances etc.)
Broad minds and narrow waistlines generally switch places (proverb)
Athletes and artists generally sharply decline, or drop off the table by age 40, regardless of sport or genre for a number of reasons, but largely due to their loss of the childlike impetuosity that fuels the creative/motivating process, a sort of "jading" sets in; loss of "hunger" or physicality among other possible causes.
There are exceptions. Steely Dan is somewhat of an "outlier" in that there has been a relative explosion of activity in the past six years, but alas, not much mold-breaking, experimental type stuff, sorry to say.
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After reading Rajah's post which cited "Pixeleen" as being so far out there to defy being placed in any known genre (agree) I happened to take my 78' T-Bird out for a spin at lunch (cassette deck only equipped) and popped in Gaucho. I heard "Babylon Sisters" then I heard the opening of the next song and "Pixeleen" popped into my head. But it was "Time Out of Mind". I am NO musician, but the nose knows and the ear hears. Obviously they are not the same song, but it happens repeatedly with Steely and Don F work across the ages.
Therefore, I assert that "Pixeleen" is no more "genre unfriendly" than is "Time Out of Mind" AND the fact that one song was made in 1980 and the other in 2003 is irrelevant. The 2003 emergence of "Pixeleen" is not so much an example of Steely Dan's "continuing" ability to create, as much as it shows that they demonstrate a continuing ability to not fit into "genre", and produce unique music.
A major genre that Steely Dan/Don F. continues to dominate is MUZAK (lol) Heard "Mary" about a month ago on an airplane waiting for takeoff! It doesn't take Don that long to conquer that "genre" No? lol The man has STILL got it!
Where am I going with this? I think ALL of the posters have valid points. But I will offer the following, based in part on the aforementioned points I made:
1. Steely Dan, Don F have made a CAREER of recycling, cutting and pasting not only their own music, but in some cases those of others (nothing wrong with that, and they do so subtlely and masterfully). The New Testament works and to some extent MTC are a continuation of this "modus operandi". This is where their forte, or "creativity" lies--for better or worse.
2. Steely Dan has definitely settled into a "smooth or cool jazz" comfort zone (call it what you will), relatively speaking, post Scam. Don and Walt were about 30 years old, where their id and superegos were at or near the max--bringing about their optimal ability to create art. HOWEVER one needs to listen closely to the New Testament songs which are are quite complex and they DO contain the "recycled" stuff--but it is not as in your face as it might have been pre-AJA, and you can otherwise miss it. If you have been all TVN and EMG lately, go back to the early catalogue and the connections will pop into your consciousness.
3. The Kicker (upside?)--Much of MTC, particularly the title track, has NOT caused that many old Steely Dan or other tunes to pop into consciousness, nowhere near the degree in which it has happened with the rest of the catalogue. Maybe we are on the threshhold of a new era of a "burst" of truly innovative Steely/Don F. creativity??
4. Finally, Steely Dan probably WILL not, possibly COULD not and by my reckoning SHOULD not be doing anything wild or experimental at this point (well, maybe one "deep" cut or two). We like the Dan for what it was and IS. Otherwise, it wouldn't be Dan... No? It is What They Do......
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 01:20:58 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Ed Sullivan Theatre
Nothin' finer than Roseland Roseland Roseland! WB Declared it the best Fucking SD show ever. 'Nuff Said. Comparing Soboba to the Roseland shows or even some great Gorge shows is just pure poppycock. No more jibber jabber about this topic. Let Rajah and tassel loafer wearing pals pine on about Soboba as if it was some kind of watershed moment. It was hotter than shit and the smell of cow dung hung heavy in the air. I am assuming it was cow dung and not the breath of NY Bill.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 00:44:44 ET
Posted by: Newark, de plain
Oh, BTW, he's a democrat. hehe, Newark. Sorry, I had a stomach ache this evening watching the returns and, well, I feel better now.
Date: Wed, November 08, 2006, 00:38:01 ET
Posted by: Newark, On the plain
Guess who this is? I'll give a hint. He won't go away without surgery.
He must have been raised by a single parent, who was frustrated with his ugliness and learning disabilities. The parent must've only poked food in his mouth and watched him grow rather than addressing needed counseling. S/he must've ignored the lack of child's emotional growth and failed to find counseling for a personality disorder that must've began early on.
He apparently had never formed long, lasting bonds with friends. If so, he would have attended some SD concerts and get out once in a while rather than obsessing on the internet. He would at least be able to recognize a pic of Jon Herrington. He has probably suffered socialization problems throughout his formative (and now adult) years. The results now are obvious--he lacks the skills to "belong." As an adult, or even a persona in cyberspace, he has no clue of self preservation and is in trouble. A host of personas have emerged and they all have the same character flaws (and make consistent typos). This individual must be pitied, for he is a loser and ignorant of that fact.
He lacks skills to save face, humble himself, or to redeem his reputation or credibility. This is furthered augmented by an apparent delusional self-image. His obsessive ego drives him to make a fool out of himself consistently. Obviously, he is often impaired and thinks himself humorous, when really he is obnoxious, obsessive and repetitive. This impairment is probably the result of his unwillingness to really deal with real life. Most people would yield or back away when they have over exhausted the public's tolerance--not him. He cannot process (or deal with) confrontation, and chooses extremely reactive blasphemous responses to others rather than interact in a healthy manner. In general, he is dysfunctional in cyberspace. In the real world, he is more dysfunctional and does not and cannot maintain consistent work (job). His ever-present persona on this forum gives evidence to this observation. He is an exhibitionist. He sits home and masturbates to the pt. of open sores, metaphorically speaking, of course.
Education: Lacks critical thinking skills--very poor mental processing--cannot follow long trains of thought or extended discussions in async environs. Does not consider audience; lacks a purpose in expression (id-like tendencies) and just rambles, often talking among own personas.
Extremely limited content knowledge (i.e., narrow knowledge base) in most discussion topics, turning away from ongoing topics and instead proffers ridiculous hypothetical matters, hoping someone will indulge with him. These hypotheticals are short sighted (i.e., limited in depth and breath), which he will not quit when no one bites, if you will. These matters are unfortunate for his apparent lack in scientific method training, that an advanced education would afford, would strengthen his "hypothetical" arguments and more readily engage the interest of educated group members. Simply, he has no sense of systematics.
His apparent lack of higher education evidenced by obsessively proffering opinions using circular logic that lacks authority/support or testimony/evidence of experience. Arguments are usually filled with fallacies, most often begging the question while asserting oversimplifications and hasty generalizations. He insists on arguing matters that are impossible to prove (or win). In the yellow, for example; i.e., abortion, capital punishment, religion. He especially cannot support with observation or with evidence of experience what he considers exceptional or good art/music. He has no knowledge of music theory. Otherwise, he would concede that SD skates across genres and meters and key changes, effortlessly, tying together all sorts of surprising and wonderful NEW sounds. Perhaps he knows some basic chords on guitar, but cannot read music or support own critical premises reviewing SD works. Loves rock and roll, and hates jazz. Wants only and yearns only for SD to play rock and roll.
Physical condition: This guy was dropped on head at young age and no one ever told him.
Again, his parent was frustrated with his arrested development. He has an overt and apparent suspension in a strong id stage. "The id resides in the unconscious and is driven by the pleasure principle. It is the most primitive, passionate, and irrational psychic force." A strong id is evidenced by his obession in self-gratification and uncaringness of others. His physical fitness is very poor; probably lacks muscle tone; poor sleep habits; lacks vigor and vitality; suffers from back problems, blah blah blah. We must assume living conditions are unclean, evidenced by excessive /obsessive time in posting in various blogs.
Often impaired--obvious problematic alcohol/drug abuse coupled with depression: utter and blatant, full-fledged denial of both conditions. He will probably contemplate suicide, but that is because he lured by satan. Most likely suffers gingivitis/poor dental health. This problem is affecting his blood circulation--particularly he suffers poor blood supply to brain, affecting his memory. Signs of the onset of dementia. To say he suffers cognitive dissonance would be a compliment.
Werd! Have a coffee on me. Hugs, Newark
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 23:49:40 ET
Posted by: Not likely,
I like where you're going, Rainman, but you're asking for something that is just not Steely Dan and never will be.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 22:40:39 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
I found this article on the web and even though it's a few years old I thought it had tinge of what's being discussed here. Personally I love what ever Don and Walt want to put out. As a person with a craft that caters to the masses I understand the concept of putting out what I like, if I don't like what I create why the hell would I do it?
Raj there are quite a few people out there that make life changes well into their forties and on, a lot!! Changing and having an open mind keeps you young.
http://www.jambands.com/june99/ghosts.html
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 22:40:28 ET
Posted by: Rainman,
Raj, I'm getting tired of "subtle changes" and "nuances". It's time for a major shift in philosophical approach. It's time to do something ENTIRELY NEW. I'm really thinking hardcore Electronica. I'm thinking a departure from Jazz-Funk. I'm thinking something far more cerebral than they've ever done, and yet, something far more earthy.
Age has nothing to do with creativity Raj. Age just gives you more experiences to choose from. Change is always possible for everyone.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 21:24:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Chris, it's unrealistic and unfair, IMH, to compare the leap they made between PL and KL and the evolution they've undergone since 1993. Shedding your skin, reinventing yourself and going in a different direction is a different kettle of fish when you're 24 and 25 than when you're 43 to 56. You cease being the person you want to be and commence embracing who you are at a more advanced age. At 24 you can change careers, change location, change your look, change just about everything about you much easier than you can when you've arrived at a certain, shall we say, place in your life.
But let's look at a song like Greenbook, arguably the most singular piece on EMG and Mary Shut from Morph. Notice that Phrygian scale fill prior and subsequent to every iteration of "Mary shut the garden door." It's informed by the same feel in Greenbook. This small example is such a great departure from anything they've ever done. And KAMA, 11TOW, 2vN, EMG and Morph are rife with these subtle shifts, these small but sharply delineated new territorial forays.
Negative Girl is so very unlike anything that came before, what a great piece that is. 2vN, the song, is as bold and in your face as anything prior as well. I could go on but I'll spare everyone more bloviated ranting. But this is what I see.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 20:34:57 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Now rajah, surely you don't mean to imply that those of us who think the Dan haven't evolved much since Kama just aren't listening? That doesn't seem like a fair argument to me. I can't vouch for everyone on this board but I can tell you that I listen to Steely Dan rather obsessively, being a musician myself.
Look at the HUGE growth that appeared between Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied. Now look at the amount of growth between Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go. They've found a sound that they're satified with and they're giving us more of the same. Like I said, I happen to really dig what they're doing, so this isn't a critisism, but they're not really growing, per se. It's more like expanding.
And Mary Shut The Garden Door is like every other Steely Dan/DF song, but with fewer chords. The only new territory is the groove, which has more to do with Carlock than with anyone else.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 20:06:31 ET
Posted by: Hughes, here
He's a dork.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 19:36:13 ET
Posted by: Godzilla, stompin' on the avenue!
Don't be that way Libby baby. NYB is only tryin' to help in the only way he knows how. By busting balls unmercifully till he gets his way...
Cuz' ultimately NYB is a soul repairman. He's a dream fixer. He's a spiritual technician of love. He's a groove amplifier. He's a man on a mission of mercy. He's gonna save your soul for rock n' roll so you don't hafta move back to Jersey!
WERD!
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 18:11:43 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Open poll question, vote now....
Do you think NYB is more like herpes, or more like hemmorhoids? Both are unpleasant, both go dormant, both eventually return. His being an asshole sort of leans things in the hemmorhoid direction, but both conditions have similarities, don't you think?
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 17:39:29 ET
Posted by: Summer Rain, all the children are insane
I agree TJ, why DID they change? Why did they become a Jazz-Funk band? Just for the purpose of changing?
You see, I'm speaking of carrying on the tradition of Steely Dan by DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ALL THE TIME! That's what Steely Dan was known for, correct? Take a look at their first 5 albums, look at any one of them individually, go ahead an pick one, and you will see an album filled with songs that don't sound like one another. Each song is a suprise in itself. Now beginning with AJA we begin to see a pattern of same-ness. Not entirely on AJA, but you can start to see where they were heading on this album. That's the difference between their first 5 albums and their last 4 albums. The earlier ones are more DIVERSIFIED! Beginning with AJA we begin to hear a lack of diversity.
My sole purpose is to encourage them to DIVERSIFY! Something they did in the beginning, remember?
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 17:22:08 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Orchids:
Why would the Dan change, just for the purpose of changing? It's so inherent in the whole music-criticism, that bands gotta change. Wrong. Either you develop naturally or you don't.
The last I wanna see is the Dan changing for the sake of change. Development must come from something internal, not external. If you can't hear the development from Gaucho to TvN to EMG, then it doesn't really matter.
Then you should listen to Beck instead. He makes decent albums, but makes sure to be a chameleon so the critics and the audience (think they) love him.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 17:07:02 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
I want to hear Claptoe(misspelling intentionally borrowed from John Lennon from his "Sometime In NYC" album)) play solos on relatively "simple" changes on things like "Peg", "Kid C",or even "Reelin'". He could never compare to, in order: Graydon, Carlton or Randall. He simply doesn't have those kind of chops.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 16:52:13 ET
Posted by: Orchids, bringin' on the rage
Alkali, you are one of the stupidest people on this board. Your argument against Steely Dan writing Rock songs (or anything other than Jazz-Funk for that matter) is an irony in itself. You claim that Fagen and Becker aren't writing Rock songs anymore because "They've already done that", well is this is the case then WHY do they continue to write Jazz-Funk-R&B songs? I mean "they've already done that"!!!
Let me explain what it means to be a craftsman...
As a craftsman learns his art he accumulates certain tools. Each tool has a specific purpose and use. The craftsman doesn't "EVOLVE" pase his basic tools, he only finds new and more sophisticated ways of using them. A painter never evolves past the use of his basic brushes and paints. An engineer will never evolve past the science of physics. All this talk of "evolution" is dumb! Fagen and Becker haven't "evolved" past Rock, Country, Electronica or any other genre of music, they've just settled into a certain sound that feels safe to them. But art isn't about SAFETY! Art is about pulling out all the stops and creating something daring and new!
What I'm saying is that playing the same formulated music over and over again is niether daring nor new, it's safe and it's lazy and it's predictable. Which never described the music of Steely Dan in the past. My advice to Fagen and Becker is go back and read my last couple of posts and figure out what they're going to do on their next cd. The more you think about it the more you'll see that I'm right (which is no suprise cuz' I'm always right, but hey at least there's some things in life you can count on).
* And who the hell here said I was NYB? I mean do I sound like NYB? Of course not! All NYB ever does is bitch about the direction of the music! Talk about grabbing at straws...
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 16:48:17 ET
Posted by: me,
Girl Margaret - That's Fabulous!
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 16:41:50 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
"Has he ever done anything apart from blues-rock with the occasional country twang?"
Um, what about his work with Cream? I don't think that's very blues rock. Ok, maybe some of it is, but that shit's wild.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 15:17:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ronnie baby, the only thing I'm holding myself out to be an expert at is in having my own strong opinions, I'm not asking you to embrace any of them.
As for the Dan not evolving, that is a steaming Turban of doo-doo. To the unfocused and insensitive ear, nuances in music go beggin. Could there be a more inventive and underivative composition than "Pixeleen?" It's stunning in its originality. So much so you really can't categorize it. I mean, into what what genre would you plug that puppy? Mary Shut the Garden Door ain't your garden variety composition either. These last few records have been nothing short of fantastic and extremely engaging to anyone who cares enough to listen. But you do have to listen, that's the rub.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 14:10:00 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
While Orchids (or, as some have alleged, NYB ... but that's a pretty serious allegation) seems to have flipped his shit with that last post, he has a point. How my growth, exactly, has Steely Dan experianced post reunion? Everything since Gaucho has a pretty similar sound. While I happen to enjoy it, you can't deny that they've slowed down quite a bit since the 70s, when (arguably) every album was a dramatic improvement over the last, at least up until (and including) Aja. They've gotten old, they've gotten rich, they've gotten fat. They're not doing drugs, they're not under any pressure to put out an album, their contributions have finally been recognized by the Recording Academy and the Rock and Roll HOF. They feel they have nothing to prove, and why should they? Still, the result is that they're not really going to wow us anymore - just satisfy us.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 14:04:45 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh/ma
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 13:23:23 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
I think the real question is where are YOU now, it has to be either in a bar or a psych ward because not only did you succeed in missing the original point entirely but you managed to make an ass hole out of yourself all at once.
Your name isn’t Clem Snide by any chance is it?
You see, the original point was Clapton’s musical limitations, we all know his finite inspirational resources, don’t we?
The Blues.
We’ve heard it all before:
“my baby done left me for my best friend and then my dog died”
played on top of 12 bars and three chords. big fucking deal.
Robert Johnson may have sold his soul at the cross roads to play better but Clapton surely didn’t.
He is one of the most over rated musicians in rock, period.
Has he ever done anything apart from blues-rock with the occasional country twang?
Straight Jazz, Dixieland, big band, R&B, funk, folk, reggae?
No.
And you call the Dan one dimensional.
“Why can't YOU write a Rock song anymore?”
The answer is because they’ve already done that.
They don’t rest on their laurels, they move forward not backward.
Because that’s what a true artist does.
He doesn’t write grunge or punk songs.
You wouldn’t expect Rembrandt to put down his brush and start drawing comic strips would you?
One of the best things about volition is that you can pick and choose the things you want to see and hear.
Deal.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 12:40:00 ET
Posted by: Orchids, Love rain on me
What I'm trying to say is this...
Each song on the next cd MUST be completely and totally different than any other song on the cd. If the first song is a Funk/Jazz/R&B song THEN the next song CANNOT be in the same format or genre! The next cd should contain a mixture of genres. The listener MUST NOT KNOW WHAT'S COMING NEXT!!! Example...
Track1 : Full-bore Rock song.
Track2 : Funk/Jazz/R&B song.
Track3 : Simple acoustic piano/bass/guitar song
Track4 : Surf music!
Track5 : Country flavored song!
Track6 : Motown.
Track7 : Jazz Standard.
Track8 : Electronica!
Starting to get the picture now??? Each song must be different! Hell they could even throw a cover or two in there if they wanted to, but they MUST break the album up into contrasting pieces in order for it to work. JEEZ! All this advice and I ain't even gettin' paid for it...
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 12:30:38 ET
Posted by: Bob,
Ronnie, I agree 100% I was at Roseland 2003 and Soboba. Soboba was amazing. Roseland 2003 (Saturday night) was better. Something about that venue (Roseland) and that New York City crowd that takes things over the top!
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 12:27:28 ET
Posted by: Orchids,
Psychiatrists refer to that as "Compensating" JH.
Their next cd has to ba a RADICAL DEPARTURE from the past or it'll be considered a disappointment. Now rather than fight that reality I suggest they learn from it and do something about it. Their next cd should contain a variation of the following elements...
ROCK
Country
Electronica (See Alan Parsons latest)
Electronic Dance
Death Metal
* Okay, maybe not "Death Metal" but you get the point I'm sure...
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 09:20:41 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hey R Ronnie
Are there recordings of Roseland 95?
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 09:09:56 ET
Posted by: JH,
Who wants to hear SD compose a rock song??? Today's rock music comes straight from the toilet.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 08:46:41 ET
Posted by: Roseland Ronnie, Roseland
Just reliving the digital audio Magic of 10/21/95 at Roseland. I can still see it and can still hear it (thank God). Having been to all of the Roseland shows and countless others over the last 13 years, I must say Roseland 95 is the best set list our boys ever played. Not even "experts" like Rajah or that asshole LI Bill can dispute this natural fact. It just is. Roseland 95 and Roseland 2003 rule -- Soboba and other side shows are in the rear view mirror for top shows. Indeed, The Gorge in 1994 was another magical SD experience that rates ahead of Soboba (which I was also at). I am listening to Chain Lightning 1995 Roseland style now and it is so tasty. Certain versions of CL from 1993 and this last tour are also quite nice. I am partial to the version of CL from Camden in 2006 -- great gig. On the Dunes from Roseland 95 is nice to hear, too. Hopefully, DF plays it live again. Go vote for whoever you think is going to make a difference. The reality is that not much will change -- even if the "blues" win more seats today.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 08:15:41 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Vote early vote often
Sorry for the off-topic post, but don't forget to vote today!
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 02:18:18 ET
Posted by: ,
Sounds like Long Island Bill is back again.
Date: Tues, November 07, 2006, 01:28:20 ET
Posted by: Orchids and Summer Rain, still growin'
Brutus,
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. One might say the same thing of Fagen and Becker. They've become one-dimensional Jazz artists who absolutely NEVER stray from the Jazz-Funk format. I mean when was the last time Fagen and Becker wrote an actual rock song, or wrote ANYTHING outside of thier little jazz-funk comfort zone? I think you've got to go back quite a few years to find anything cutting edge from these guys. Even Fagen said that all he does is listen to the same 50 year old Jazz records over and over again. Somewhere he said that all innovation in music stopped after a certain point. That's rather closed-minded wouldn't you say?
I think the truth is closer to the opposite of your assertion. Fagen and Becker haven't grown as artists. THEY'VE become one-dimensional. THEY refuse to branch out into other genres. Fagen even went so far as to cast a slight at the entire Punk genre by asking "Where are they now?". Where are they now Don? They became Alternative Rock is where they are now. And what were they THEN? They were a counterpoint, a revolt if you will, against the kind of overly processed flawless studio perfection that you and your friend were producing. They were rather successful at that wouldn't you say mister know-it-all? Question is Don/Walt, where are YOU now? Why are YOU constantly writing the same songs over and over again? Why can't YOU write a Rock song anymore? Why are YOU so limited? Why is it that when a new Steely Dan or Fagen cd comes out I know what it's going to sound like before I even stick it in the cd player? WHEN THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO SUPRISE ME BY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? Maybe you could really blow people away by writing a really hardcore grungy Rock song for a change, or maybe a simple stripped down acoustic piece without all the processing in the studio, something honest and straight-forward. I dunno... just do SOMETHING different already! Do something on your next album that's going to be TOTALLY UNEXPECTED. If you do that I'll admit that you've progressed as musicians okay? I'll stand back in awe like I did the first time I heard Katy Lied and AJA...
Deal?
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 23:52:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yea, verily, Brutus, you speak the honest truth. Those great atrists continued recording but stopped growing. Our boys did the opposite.
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 22:05:58 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
G Margaret,
CDs done! I just need to finish the case art. Ended up with 45 tracks, quite a strange mixture - 60s motown cloning attempts, Philly sound prototypes, H-D-H post Motown stuff, Curtis Mayfield and Bobby Womack writing/production projects, Bernard Purdie and Paul Humphrey singles, A teenage George Clinton, and some old Shirley Matthews that will amaze you.
Send me youR mailing address!
Geoff
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 21:55:05 ET
Posted by: murph, a cat
more of the same more of the same
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 17:41:48 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,
Raj -
The diff between someone like Clapton(and other like-minded artists) and the Dan, is that those artists stopped LEARNING and GROWING MUSICALLY.
Clapton (like McCartney, Lennon, et al) rode the wave of their natural talents as far as they could up until say, the early 70s,
and didn't continue to musically grow. Also by that time, McCartney especially, started to believe all the superfluous accolades thrown his way and consequently ironically became complacent and less creative.
And most importantly, he STOPPED LEARNING MORE ABOUT HIS CRAFT. The Dan on the other hand stayed the hell out of the spotlight and WROTE FOR THEMSELVES FIRST AND FOREMOST - LIKE ALL GREAT ARTISTS DO.
Clapton couldn't handle the chord changes on songs like "Negative Girl" or "Gold Teeth II" - let alone take a solo half as cogently as Denny Dias did.
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 11:34:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
From the NY Times today:
J. J. CALE AND ERIC CLAPTON
“The Road to Escondido”
(Reprise)
"Back in the 1970s J. J. Cale’s laconic blues-rock, ghostly voice and wiry guitar style reshaped Eric Clapton’s music and provided him with hit songs — “After Midnight” and “Cocaine” — that tucked hints of darkness behind the Southwestern twang. Three decades later Mr. Cale and Mr. Clapton have made “The Road to Escondido,” with Mr. Cale as producer and primary songwriter; they trade off guitar solos and lead vocals.
Mr. Clapton has lately been retracing many of his career steps, but he and Mr. Cale may have waited too long for this collaboration. Now they both sound so comfortable and complacent that the old mournful undertone has almost disappeared. Even when they’re singing “When This War Is Over,” describing war as a crime and observing that peace “won’t bring back those poor boys in their graves,” they sound unconcerned.
Only two spooky minor-key songs — “Heads in Georgia,” layered with Steely Dan jazz chords, and “Hard to Thrill,” a John Mayer song that’s a catalog of clinical depression symptoms — reach for a deeper blues, and they shame the rest of the album." JON PARELES
Yeah, well, Steely Dan's music and workmanship shames a lot of people's.
I heard Madeleine Peyroux' version of "Summer Wind," an all-time Sinatra classic reading, on KJAZ this morning and her album is generating some buzz out here in cool-jazzland. Maybe could be worth picking up if your sensibilities stretch that far into old school.
Date: Mon, November 06, 2006, 00:48:42 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
me: re: fourplay cover: You've got to be kidding me.
me: ipod shuffle: interestingly enough, I've noticed the shuffle function on MY ipod plays more steely dan than anything else - and while I have a lot of steely dan, I have much more of several other bands that I hear less of. Interesting.
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 21:30:26 ET
Posted by: Elliott,
Joey-- You thought wrong.
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 20:35:13 ET
Posted by: The Dean, SF: Lovin the dreaded Marina
Interesting piece on the iPod, "me". If the author has the Dan and Van (the dynamic duo of modern music, IMO) on his pod, he MUST be respected! I'm an avid anti-shuffle-ist, but if it knows the Dan are to be played often, maybe it's smarter than its users. Of course, ignoring Van is something that needs to be corrected.
Until that happens (and certainly, even after) I'll choose to listen to the tunes of my favorite artists in the order they carefully arranged.
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 18:23:13 ET
Posted by: Joey,
Hello My Steelian Brothers and Sisters ........
While we all wait for a Walter Becker solo album --- I thought you might enjoy some spectacular new material from the " Chairman of the Board " ......... :
" How dare you wear robes and reside
How dare you cover your head to hide
Your face from God
How dare you smile from behind your beard
To hide the fact that your hearts are feared
And wave your rod
How dare you be the one to assess
Me in this godforsaken mess
You, a man in a purple dress
A man in a purple dress
When you place your frown
Between my God and prayer
However grand your crown
Or dignified your hair
Men above men all prats
In your high hats
You priest, you mullah so high
You pope, you wise rabbi
You're invisible to me
Like vapor from the sea
I lovingly mock you noble lords
We all dress up to grand awards
I do that as well
I dare condemn your fashion sense
At least you're not astride the fence
That wouldn't sell
But I will deliver this address
Your souls conditioned don't impress
You, a man in a purple dress
A man in a purple dress "
http://www.lyricsdir.com/the-who-a-...ess-lyrics.html
Joey
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 17:32:59 ET
Posted by: me, here
I picked up this book today about the Ipod.
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Thing-Shuffles-Commerce-Coolness/dp/0743285220/sr=1-10/qid=1162765412/ref=sr_1_10/002-2270250-2764859?ie=UTF8&s=books
He dedicates a whole chapter to the Ipod's shuffle function, and how it's not really random. He noticed it because he felt his Ipod played a disproportionate amount of Steely Dan while it neglected other artists like Van Morrison. He even had a discussion with Steven Jobs about the Ipod's preference for Steely Dan and defined a LTBSD Factor (Length of Time Before Steely Dan.) He writes:
"The Steely Dan thing baffled me. Was it a conspiracy, perhaps engineered by Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, the spectacular guitarist on songs like "Reeling In gthe Years" who is now, improbably, a leading consultant to the Pentagon on superspook terrorism issues?"
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 14:29:45 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
My dearest Geoff, I cannot WAIT to hear this cd!
My dearest Ann, let's go to the Camp together, we can be bunk mates. And as far as being able to see The Skunk twice, I am truly envious as I have never even seen him once. I've seen the Doobs and I've seen the Dan but it was Skunkless all around, although no less fabulous :)
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 02:45:31 ET
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy Pad
GM,
I just finished the recording phase. I can't wait to hear what you think of this. I'll try to send it this week
Geoff
Date: Sun, November 05, 2006, 01:05:10 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Dear Santa,
I know that Darkest Borneo is way off your main routes and that I'm a bit old to be making requests to you, but please hear my plea for a Christmas request. You see, there's this young chick who's encroaching in to my territory again. I can forgive her about the Jeff Pocaro incident,as he was such a young cutie, but come on!!! Now she's started on my Skunk. I ask you, who is Skunk's biggest fan on the Blue???? Yes, moi! Who saw him first (in the flesh, so to speak) back in 1974 (SD) AND 1975 (Doobies)? Yes, moi!! Who is more compatable in the age department? Yes, moi!! Now common Santa, he's old enough to be the Grand-Daddy of that GM!! And these young chicks get all the breaks, plenty more fish in the sea for them!! Spare a thought for those of more senior years who have devoted their attentions to the Skunk for more decades than I wish to remember!!! If there are any "free" packages to these guitar workshops he runs, please send them "My Way" (along with an air ticket, if you don't mind!!). After all, I am a far more deserving cause than this woman who two-times my Skunk with that Carlock chappie.
I trust you will do the honourable thing this Christmas!
Peace to all,
Ann
CC: GM - Get yer 'ands off my Skunk and stick to yer own age group!! Don't mind yer Mum, but you're just too much competition!!
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 23:48:50 ET
Posted by: The wonderer, here
Why do you feel that way, me? Just curious, I guess.
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 23:13:24 ET
Posted by: me, here
This is the best SD cover, period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBoNzoY2Q8
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 20:21:37 ET
Posted by: No, Way No!!
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 18:20:45 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Dear Santa,
For Christmas I'd REALLY like to go to the Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp in Hollywood, CA so that I can meet Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. Please send me. Screw the other guys (although they seem really cool and I wouldn't mind meeting them), I just really wanna meet The Skunk.
Love, Margaret
I saw a commercial today for the RNRFC and they said The Skunk would be there. Would he really be there? Would he take time off from saving the world to go to Hollywood and putz around with people like me - awestruck drooling fans?
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 18:13:27 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, helLA
Thanks for that updated site, Pete! It's always great to see something new during the "off season" - thanks for thinking of us!
G
Date: Sat, November 04, 2006, 04:13:21 ET
Posted by: Bob,
TP- Thanks for the heads up. Looks like Pete's still working on it. I love Walter's set list from Slims on the home page. I wish I was at that show!
Date: Fri, November 03, 2006, 22:11:36 ET
Posted by: TP, Metalleg
Don't know if this has been posted yet but Pete Fogels Site got a makeover. New pic's, a match game an more!
http://metalleg.com/
Good work Pete, & Shari?
Tall Paul
Date: Fri, November 03, 2006, 19:24:23 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Gettysburg
Does anyone have the setlist from Donald Fagen's Atlantic City show on March 10th 2006? I just want to see the order... also is there anywhere i can get the lyrics to misery and the blues and viva viva rock and roll? Thanks
Date: Fri, November 03, 2006, 18:26:48 ET
Posted by: (Herm) Aphrodite, LGBT
You still can't Bi me.
Date: Fri, November 03, 2006, 11:21:10 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
Cups'n'Strings Taps Archivist Marie O’Connell, Inventor of Isopropyl Drip System for Analog Tape
http://nab.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=78502
Cups'n'Strings
http://www.cupsnstrings.com/content.aspx
Elliot Scheiner & Steely Dan on the partial client list...
http://www.cupsnstrings.com/Thosewhohavefavoredus
I suppose there could be some SD refs sprinkled in these articles, but I didn't have the time to look...
http://www.cupsnstrings.com/shamelessselfpromotion
A few promotional blurbs...
http://www.cupsnstrings.com/WhatthesayaboutCupsnStrings
Elliot Scheiner, Grammy®-winning producer/engineer
on converting priceless Steely Dan Analog Masters to Digital:
"Bruce and I have worked together in studios for at least 25 years. I just trust him to do these kinds of things and to know that it's going to get done properly. I can trust him to do it right."
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 21:16:32 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Anything is possible with these guys, including touring after 19 years off the road, playing California County Fairs, and getting four major Grammys something like three decades-plus after their careers start.
Still, my guess is that, if anything, WB will do a few small venues. The Madeleine Peyroux shows made me think more of that. (Anyone know if WB was in the audience at the Town Hall show in NYC she played last week?)
I saw Bob Dylan last Saturday evening and I realized how Walter would be a great fit to open for Bob Dylan.
jim
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 21:08:27 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
let's not rule out the possibility of the next tour being a re-vamped New York Rock and Soul Review. that was planned before Fagen put his album out and would be a good way to fill ampitheaters and promote Walter's new CD.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 20:59:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago
Dear Dandom;
A word about some oddities in the function of the Green Room. The Green Room is actually hosted by a chat serving service. All I do is name it, put up that image of D + W and gave it a link—they do everything else.
Periodically, they update the Java Software that makes it run. Over the past three and half years there's never been a hitch. Last night, they apparently implemented a new upgrade and unfortunately, their software is not ready for prime time, IMHO. Unfortunately, there is no way we can opt out of the upgrade.
As a result, you may have some problems using it in the next day or two.
First of all, Windows users may find they will be redirected to java.com to update the Java software on your Windows computer before you can enter chat. This is most likely if you are using Windows that is pre-Win XP. It should work after you install Java's update, clear your browser's cache, quit your browser, and restart the browser.
For Mac OS X users, they have a bug and, as of tonight, no one can login into chat from a Mac. For me this is a problem since I use a Mac at home and on the road.
If this all becomes a problem -- expecially if they leave off support for certain OS's--then a new client will be sought out. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE and feel free to email me if you have further questions or concerns.
jim
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 18:03:15 ET
Posted by: Dimension Skipper, Eternal Path
New "Lexi Says" post at DF.com. The Tower "Everything Must Go" sale gets a nod.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 16:26:17 ET
Posted by: joeNC, kris
i've got that poster. two-sided, yes, but both sides are the same. friend of mine who worked in a brick-and-mortar CD store glommed it for me shortly after EMG's release. hanggng now in my spare bedroom/storage/archive/music practice room. $99? hooboy.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 15:13:32 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC Theatre district
“The sunshine boys”, wow, one of my favorite movies!
But, I think the dental nurse can only ever be played by Lee Meredith
(I wouldn’t mind a root canal from HER)
Anyway, “The Steely-shine boys” sketch would go something like this:
Walty Clark: Oh, you’re a funny man, Donny, a pain in the ass but a funny man.
Donny Lewis: You know what your trouble is, Walty? You always took the jokes too seriously. It was just jokes. We did comedy on the stage for 43 years. I don't think you enjoyed it once.
Walty Clark: If I was there to enjoy it, I would buy a ticket.
Donny Lewis: You know what you are? You're a 73-year-old putz.
Walty Clark: At least the putz didn't drive all the way here from New Jersey!
Nurse: Oh, Walty, you’re so whacked!
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 15:09:47 ET
Posted by: Kris Kringle, Ebay
Just a heads up on a FANTASTIC new Dan promo poster on Ebay!
Wow!
Check it out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Steely-Dan-Everything-Must-Go-2-sided-Promo-Poster-RARE_W0QQitemZ130043658807QQihZ003QQcategoryZ105033QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Cool.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 14:32:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I've stared into the mystical sphere, Chico, my Turban spun around three times of its own volition and elevated off my head. The only other time that happened was when Eisenhower beat Adlai Stevenson...again.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 14:15:03 ET
Posted by: He's wrong, AGAIN!
Raj - "It's a done deal".
Oh please.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 13:39:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
It's a done deal is the story I'm sticking to. But is it gonna be Steely Dan alone or are we going to be regaled by an opening act? That's the burning question. I used to like Sinatra's opening act, some stand-up comedy dude of the old school. A tux and no blue humor. Is it too late to bring back Henny Youngman? Just not that guy doing a bad Chinese accent on Donald's website. Yikes, Don must be back on the ganja if he thinks that's comedy. But it is comforting to know your hero is a certified goof-ball.
Wait a minute...I got it...
Donald and Walter doing the Sunshine Boys sketch comedy. Donald as the Dentist who can't see and Walter the guy in the chair with a horrible toothache. Now that would be worth the price of admission. But who would play the obligatory blonde bimbo with long legs?
Martha Wainwright!!!
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 13:18:28 ET
Posted by: Bob,
TJ - Fagen saying "see you next year" is the same as when he says "drive home safely". It's just something he says. In 1996 he said "see you next year" and next year was 2000. In 2000 he said "we'll see you next year" and they didn't tour again until 2003. Don't get your hopes up for another tour in 2007. I think it's very doubtful. I hope I'm wrong.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 12:56:53 ET
Posted by: TP, Hoping for 2007 Tour
Bob and others..... During the SD tour this past summer Donald has been quoted as saying see ya next year, see ya next time etc. I was at the last show in St. Louis on Labor Day and he said see ya next year! as he walked off the stage. I am going to believe what I hear from the Donald.
My guess is that Walter will release his CD in the late Spring 2007 followed by a tour with Don & ________________?
Walter will not tour on his own.
Date: Thurs, November 02, 2006, 08:12:05 ET
Posted by: Art,
From deep in the bowels of SD.com...
http://www.steelydan.com/blindfold.html
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 19:35:33 ET
Posted by: Freesher,
Cool. Very nice. Comon
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 18:33:32 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
As far as opening lines, I think you've chosen some good ones, Alkali. But my vote will always go to "Everything You Did." I'm always surprised when I hear Donald put so much emphasis on it, just yelling out "Where did the bastard run?" His annunciation is so perfect, I love it. Always a bit unexpected, always gets me, makes my heart skip a beat. Ah, Donnie.
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 18:03:18 ET
Posted by: Bob,
TP- What tour?
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 17:52:48 ET
Posted by: TP, Walter...... o Walter....
Patience is a virtue. But I too am also anxious.
Remeber it wasn't until early March when Morph was released and that was right as the DF the tour was underway so not much lead time on Donalds' part. Walter may repeat this method of delayed release but I hope not.
I also agree that it is about time for Walter to slay us with his new "Whack" tracks..this year! We want to have the new songs ingrained in our memories by the time the tour starts.
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 16:16:10 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Question to anyone knowledgeable about music marketing: how far in advance is it usual to market a CD pre-release? Although the rumors of WB's CD coming out soon are numerous, I've looked around and there's no marketing being done for it. For example: the cover art is usually out there on websites with a release date so people can "pre-order", but nothing on the new WB in sight.
We're not too patient in Hinktown.
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 15:46:29 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Just read your post listening to Surf and/or Die...on and on and on
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 15:18:26 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
I’m kinda bored here in my office today, staring out the window on such a beautiful day in the city that my mind began to wonder….
I thought I‘d put the CD player on random and let her go.
Wouldn’t you know it the first song to chime in was “Reelin’ in the years”
I got to thinkin' what a great opening set of lyrics this classic song has!
But, it’s more than the words themselves it’s their pattern and speed; the scansion pattern as well as in “Bad sneakers” and “Surf and/or die”, to name a couple, crams a flurry of words into each line (not unlike Rap) making it syncopated.
So much so that the words out run the music.
I love that style.
Anyway, I thought I’d be productive and throw together a list of my favorite Dan-proper
Opening lines.
Here are my top 5:
MONKEY IN YOUR SOUL:
“I got one and you want four
It's so hard to help you”
TWO AGAINST NATURE:
“Bad news breaking in 18A
Missy's kitty turn inside out she say
Spider queen demon and that whole crew
Across the lobby the wicker wing chair flew “
REELIN' IN THE YEARS:
“Your everlasting summer
You can see it fading fast
So you grab a piece of something
That you think is gonna last”
SLANG OF AGES:
“Let me put it this way doll
And I know it's getting late
I can tell from the planes of your face
That you're from out of state”
DO IT AGAIN:
“In the mornin you go gunnin'
For the man who stole your water”
Some other favorite and bodacious opening lines are
Pixeleen
West of Hollywood
Only a fool would say that
Don’t take me alive
Home at last
Negative girl
Bad sneakers
Brooklyn
Fire in the hole
DR Wu
I got the news
and
Gaslighting Abbie
And on and on…..
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 08:43:43 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, behind the big casino...
DF has a new piece with Tom Schiller on DF.com, the "show business" side...
Date: Wed, November 01, 2006, 05:33:54 ET
Posted by: murph, a cat
is that my father, mowin' the lawn?
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 23:31:43 ET
Posted by: the witch , of Shrewsbury Circle
I know Mo! Rock on, girlfriend!
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 22:30:46 ET
Posted by: hoops, on behalf of "Mo" who posted this back on March 7, 2006
Kid C. Sorry about the delayed response to your request. Thanks for your patience.
Someone named "Mo" posted the set list from the 3/7/2006 DFB show at the Beacon at 7 seconds before midnight on the same night of show (Wow, Mo! THANKS FOR THE DEDICATION!) The following is what Mo posted...you can read his/her entire commentary by going to http://www.dandom.com/guestbook/032006.html and scrolling down.
So thanks Mo and thanks Kid C.
----------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:59:53, ET
Posted by: Mo , conflicted
I hit "Post" before I ever scrolled down to read anything, so I have no idea who, if anyone has already posted about tonight's show. I have really mixed feelings - on the one hand, everything they did was GREAT! I just wish they'd done a different set.
Here's the set list:
1 - Here at the Western World (at this tempo, sounds like Steely Dan meet the Grateful Dead)
2 - Nightfly
3 - Greenflower Street
4 - New Frontier
5 - Third World Man
--------Band Intros-------
6 - Home at Last
7 - Brite Nightgown (!!!!!!!)
----special guest Martha Wainwright performs one of her songs ----
8 - FM
9 - H-Gang
10 - It's What I Do
11 - Goodbye Look (I LOVE THIS SONG!)
12 - IGY
Encore
- Pretzel Logic
- Viva Viva Rock n Roll
Continues into commentary...
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 19:16:03 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home
If someone has the DFB '06 set list from the Beacon show could you please post it or email to me.
Many thanks
KC
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 17:22:46 ET
Posted by: Sigmund Freud,
Yah, Fraulein Margaret, my dear lady, it isht abzoluutley normal for a young, vibrant voman like yuuzelf to be attrakkted to zee older men, quite, quite normal. Older men undershtant very well vhat a young girl needs unt dezires, lotz of money unt attezion, oh, and Louis Vitton bags and Manolo shoes. Yah, however, as to your dear Mother, she vould probably forego allen dat for a jolly goot romp in zee hay. Which ist vhy my rekkomendation to the older men isht to leave the young chikkens be unt jump on zome old broad. They know vhat they vant unt dey know how to nasty.
Peace out
Ziggy
PS - However, your fantasy of going as Donalt unt Valter in drag isht off the chart krazzy, darlink. No voman would vant to be dat fuuggly, nein.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 16:55:40 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Ann, you sound like my mom and I mean that in a good way. Oddly enough we're both attracted to a lot of the same men, although they're a lot closer to her age than they are to mine (paging Dr. Freud). And the heck with the age difference - at the age of 23 I was dating a 17 year old, at least Jeff P was legal! Details. What a damn shame he's gone. Can you imagine him and Carlock together on stage? I'd be fainting in the aisles.
Never dressed up as Steely anything for Halloween. I was always a fan of costumes where people would go "Wow, that's cool!" or "Wow that's sexy!" Somehow, me in drag as Don or Walt, I don't think people would get it.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 15:56:03 ET
Posted by: Ranon M., NYC
Here is a Steely reference that I found recently.
The Steely reference is from Chuck Klosterman's 2005 book, "Killing Yourself To Live: 85% of A True Story".
The book is hilarious, a fun read, full of music references, and loaded with critiques of pop culture.
Klosterman has written books "Fargo Rock City", "Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs", as well as contributing to Esquire, GQ, Spin, NY Times Magazine, Washington Post, ESPN, to name a few.
Meanwhile, here is the Steely appearance in the book:
Top page 29, describing a female with whom he is infatuated:
"Sometimes we would dance to Steely Dan's 'Bodhisattva,' but we'd do so in a manner that resembled awkward attacks from bipedal grizzly bears."
Cheers!
RM
NYC
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 15:41:16 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh
Beck's new album is great and I highly reccomend it to everyone, especially if you were turned off by the "been there, done that" quality of Guero... this is the album that Guero was meant to be. Beck has finally found his sound - it took him his whole career, but he found it.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 15:18:46 ET
Posted by: ccw,
I watched "Once in a Lifetime: the Extraordinary Story of the New York Cosmos" on DVD last night, about the old NASL team, Pele, etc. The makers were clearly Steely Dan fans: "Show Biz Kids" and "Dirty Work" were featured on the soundtrack, and one of the deleted scenes is titled "Haitian Divorce." Kind of a cheesily produced documentary, though, and it could have easily been done in an hour instead of 90 minutes.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 15:17:58 ET
Posted by: Lonnie THE Kingpin, Mizar 5
Jive Miguel -- You make a good point. One that I raised a few weeks back in the Digest. The next SD show opening number should be a newly arranged medley (a la 1993 and 1994 tours) of Your Gold Teeth I and II. This would be better than some revamped Detective show jazz number or tune from the 50s that have been chose in years' past. An original composition from DF and WB would be tasty. Let's see if DF and WB take note of Lonnie's fine suggestion.
As for the Grammys -- with limited notable exceptions (like 2001) true talent is disregarded in favor of mediocrity and record sales. DF not being nominated for something/anything is a fucking joke. NARAS needs to pull its head out of its ass. Dylan's new one is nothing to write home about. Unlike Donald, he should just hang it up. His quote than no good albums have been made in the last 20 years is an insult to Dan fans and music fans. Since when has Dylan done anything great since forever ago? In my book, he has always been overrated.
Happy Halloweenie. By the way, I was dressed up as a Steely Dan roadie (using all my official gear from the 2003 tour that I obtained) for the first part of the day and not I am Mr. LaPage. Gotta run -- the movie is back on . . . .
Lonnie
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 14:54:17 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, in the faltering lines
Speaking of Beck, did anyone see his performance on SNL with the whole puppet thing? I thought it was a gas! And a happy halloween to all!
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 14:48:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Hoops McCann would be a groovy Steely Dan Halloween guy. You'd need one of those hideous 70s suits with the bellbottoms and gigantic lapels, big-ass tie over a silk shirt with giraffes or something on it, platform saddle shoes, maybe a walking stick and of course a big Afro hairdoo, mutton chops. Maybe a mustache, yeah, definitely. Big bag of blow, two six foot Hookers and a stretch Caddy. Meet me at midnight at you-know-where.
We're a star.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 14:38:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, behind the big casino...
Happy Halloween everyone!!
Has anyone ever gone out for Halloween dressed as WB or DF or any character from a SD song?
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 13:00:01 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Grammy Blues?
I've read a couple of early Grammy nomination prediction articles and I'm sorry to say DF was not mentioned in either one of them.
Entertainment Weekly thinks Dylan's new one is a strong contender for Album of the Year. I wonder if the recent release of "What I Do" as a single was meant to remind the industry about Morph? It would be a shame if this CD was overlooked like EMG!
Mark in Boston
Now spinning: The Information - Beck
Now reading: Coronado - Dennis Lehane
Now watching: Brotherhood - Season 1
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 12:42:48 ET
Posted by: John,
Aloha brother's, visit my site. It's cool.
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 11:24:08 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
.....erm....Margaret my dear......I'm not one to argue with a fellow Dannie....but ......I SAW HIM FIRST!!! He was mine in 1974, OK!! yeah, I know he was only 18 and I was 23.....but hey....it's ok for guys to cradle-snatch, so why not us girlies now and again??
Joking apart...(you are forever my dear friend GM!!)....what a waste of a talent the day our Jeff left us.
However, the vid brought back some nice memories of Boz. I don't think it was ever a hit in the UK (someone correct me there) but I used to listen to the "alternative" radio stations (few that there were) and loved "Low Down". Mental note to buy Silk Degrees. What a fabulous voice the guy has!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Tues, October 31, 2006, 02:25:06 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
No posts yet on Janie Runaway
Whilst you Blue Bookers are probing the exact nature of Janie's Dad's 'spree' in Tampa, the daughter's involvement, if any, and the extent of the fire, you might like to take five and see how laid back our Aussie firefighters are. Keep your eye on the second fire truck and the driver's arm.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAMfuesuOA
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 22:30:30 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata
OK, so Countdown came up in my rotation. Now I can't get Your Gold Teeth out of my head. I have to think that this would be quite the crowd pleaser live, featuring the talents of Carlock, Herington (with substantial props to Skunk), Freddie Washington, Jeff Young (or Donald) and Walter. An updated arrangement could easily find room for a Weiskopf solo and backup horns. All the ironic elements are in place - our narrator's simultaneous sneering contempt for and sexual obsession with his vain, manipulative, insufferable "monkey woman".
Anyone ever see them perform this gem live?
Anyone know what the hell Donald's singing about?
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 21:45:58 ET
Posted by: prez logic, archingsaw
Girl Margaret,
I agree on TFF. They are one of my favorite bands from the MTV 80's. Also, IMO Mrs. Carlock sounds better.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 18:32:34 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Found this little gem on YouTube - Jeff Porcaro playin' with Boz!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBdFyE7PeE
Thirty years ago I'd have been wearing a "Mrs. Porcaro" shirt.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 15:57:13 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Interesting Dan influences discussion.
Here are some people I’ve checked out because of the Dan and prompltly checked off as not my cup of meat:
Phillip Glass
Mose Allison
Joni Mitchell
Mingus
Cathy Berberian
Norman Mailer
Pynchon (well, sort of)
Here are some people I’ve checked out some what because of the Dan and continue to dig:
Jarrett
Zappa
Dylan
Jarrett
Brubeck
Arlen
Rebalais
Burroughs
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 15:21:31 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Re: The Lean Years
Apparently The Road Runner had the hellest time coming up with a partner.The animals who were smart enough, and who were in good standing with the Acme Corporation, just couldn't take the pounding of head-ons with locomotives in tunnels, anvils falling from great heights, and the various full-face experiences with explosives. The critters that could take the punches time and time again just didn't have the smarts to come up with a satisfyingly hare-brained plan or gizmo.
Here's the thing with Steely Dan. They are a near-impossible act to follow for this reason: the people who can do the music can't do the words, and the people who can do the words can't do the music. There are many fine players who can't seem to compose anything that's much chop, words or music-wise. I love Robben Ford, but, apart from a few gems, his non-blues lyrics might well have come from the secret diary of a twelve year old schoolgirl. Jazz and fusion players cranked out some very polished turds (as WB might say) during the 80s. Keyboard potentate Deorge Duke tried to simultaneously imitate Frank Zappa, Ray Charles and The Bee Gees, and it didn't work. The late Billy Preston got down and groovy, I recall, with the regrettable 'Bad Case of Ego', which featured lyrics along the lines of 'You got your ass on your shoulders where it does not belong, and that's why with other people you just cannot get along. You got a bad case of ego, oh oh.' There was something about 'treatin' people crappy.. blah blahh..never be happy'. Sad, so sad.
Joni and Ricky Lee got some nice voicings, fat harmony and top players to go with the clever words, but it was pretty quiet until Sting and Bruce Hornsby came along.
Weather Report and Yellowjackets wisely gave songs a wide berth for the most part. How incredible are The Flecktones? but their lyrics aren't going to set the world on fire anytime soon.
If you can imagine Ray Charles meets Miles Davis via Mose Allison with Donald's edgy tenor, and a late night beatnick vibe you'd be close to Vince Jones, a jazz trumpeter singer songwriter who's a bit of a legend in Australia. He's got heaps of CDs and is worth checking out. Doesn't do the fat harmonies and electric instruments though.
Mer, I'm on to the fog horn thing, but need to listen to the cd again, rather than trust memory.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 13:46:43 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
Rajah, everyone has a dark side, many just control it. SD speculates on what might happen if we didn't. Yeah, frightening!
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 13:26:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Yeah, that Steely Dan guy narrates stories about loners, wanderers, social outcasts, they mess up constantly, they're haunted, carrying around a slew of ghosts, sad and weirdly funny, they can also be wild and reckless, dangerous, trouble relating. Cold and unfeeling, selfish, murderous even. Really only human when they fall, then they're just pitiful. And somehow the lines separating the narrator Steely Dan from the characters he sings about get blurred at times. All that downer stuff stuck inside those perky and sunny melodies.
Wow, what a strange blend. What does all that say about Steely Dan fans? I'm afraid to ponder that one too closely.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 12:15:11 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown
To Harry K: here's the link to the interview we chatted about a few weeks back regarding the SD persona. Sorry it has taken me so long to find it.
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/060302%20mp3%20com.htm
Donald: Well you know Walter and I developed over the years this kind of collective persona, which kind of narrates the songs and this time around, it's kind of like Steely Dan is guys without girls. It's ... you know he has a lot of male defensive devices, and then once in a while, he breaks down once in a while and you see through his defenses and so on and so it's really ... you know that character has a lot of problems, he's kind of unrepentant about it.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 11:40:18 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Well said Donald!
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 11:39:40 ET
Posted by: W1P, Dodger Stadium
Delicious irony, all those folks at a Dodger game singing "I Love LA" without a clue about what Randy is saying with the song
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 11:05:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Craig my pal, you really do have to wonder what goes on out there in the High Desert and mountains east of L.A. When you look at it, California is one very strange place. Perfect Steely Dan country.
Check this out on Randy Newman, it leads off with a quote from Donald:
http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=162642
Old seems to be "in." It's about time.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 09:45:24 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Thanks Rajah
I wanted to send you a picture of my old El Camino.
The reason we are all toothless in the Inland Empire is that we’ve spent all our money on Meth , tank top T shirts and of course the Old El Camino.
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 06:01:06 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Dear Freidrich-
You made my morning!!!!
"the rings of rare design, the look in your eyes"= I'm sure you'll get a lot of interpretations here...... ;)
Date: Mon, October 30, 2006, 04:32:56 ET
Posted by: Friedrich Sprätt, Germany
Hi you good people. As many of you I am thrilled of the lyrics from our favorite pop icons. Is there anyone out there knowing de meaning of the lyrics of Green Earrings? It is a particular spot in de verse that drives me nuts everytime I am listening to it:
“... the rings of air, the sign, the look in your ass – I don't mind...”
Does anyone know the secret behind these cryptic words?
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 22:00:19 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Hey SteveV, if I had the chance I would have totally tuned in! Alas, I was at work for most of the day. Ah well, there's always next time.
Speaking of Tears for Fears, I should have mentioned them in my earlier post. Always loved TFF, Everybody Wants to Rule the World was my favorite song growing up and still is a top favorite to this day.
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 17:06:43 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK
Does anyone know the band Midlake? They sound somewhat like early Dan. Try a combined "Midlake Steely Dan" search in google.
Anyway, they're playing in Denmark tomorrow and I'm going to the concert.
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 15:26:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Brotha Craig, my new email is above or call me at 213 689 3165 x318.
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 14:59:08 ET
Posted by: Admin@KeithCarlock.com, Cyberspace
CONGRATULATIONS TO GEOFF ON FINISHING THE MARINE CORPS MARATHON!!
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Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 14:25:46 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Rajah
Would you give your new email address ?..there is something I need to ask you.
Thanks
Craig B
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 11:58:15 ET
Posted by: SteveV, signing Off...on the air
Hi Margaret- I have queued up an 80s show on my station
starting at 1pm est
http://www.live365.com/stations/singapore365
let me know if you tune it in
cheers - from the Lion City
Steve
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 11:55:31 ET
Posted by: Pam, I Am
I think the only Dan-inspired music I've purchased are some Ray Charles, Charlie Parker, Miles...I just really stopped listening to everything except for Steely Dan in the past few years! I actually somehow made a jump over to big band, but I liked that stuff as a kid so that doesn't count :)
Being a newish Dan fan makes me happy with the stuff I've got; not dying for any new stuff but the possibility makes for that pleasurable anticipatory sensation :)
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 11:48:19 ET
Posted by: SteveV, Bishan Heights, north of Orchard Rd
Ann- peace n love to the Manchester family....my best friend here in Singapore is from Manchester...good people....
Margaret- thanks for your comments...always interesting to hear from those born after the original Dan.....it sounds like you were listening to lots of US music in your youth....tuning in radio in the early 80s in the nY area was fun...WLIR was blaring a lot of imports like, the Clash, OMD, Stranglers, Madness, Human League and it was a real trip to see all of these groups (well maybe not the Stranglers) break into the US mainstream.....believe me it was shocking to look up one day in the summer of '85 and see Tears For fears topping the US lp charts...
..we waited....with baited breath....for any morsel of Steely Dan related news....those were definitley the dark ages of Dandom.....slowly....quietly Fagen showed up a niteclub....tickled the ivories...tapped his foot....then in the dark a Charlie Chan-esque guitar player was spirited up to the stage....beers were dropped, jaws too....the Dan of Steel had returned (circa 1989)...you know the rest...
peace luv-----gettiing late here (rite, Ann).....www.geocities.com/singapore365
SteveVO
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 11:16:13 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo via Bolton
Steve:
Yeah, way back then we were even on a 2 years waiting list just to get a house phone!! No cell phones, no satellite TV, BBC world service for half an hour around 7am....it was grim! No vinyls, just cassette tapes, all pirated. Bit different now though. Got the satellite TV, internet...even bought the "Everything must go" CD here soon after it was released (but that WAS an exception!!). Email address is above......many thanks!
Some sad news from the Off-Spring back in Manchester. Some fellow students in the flat below hers were partying last night and one OD'd. The whole building is swarming with police today. I get so angry when I hear things like this. A kid has to die so that some sleeze ball can run his Ferrari. Here they'd have his head in a noose but one wonders what punishment awaits the guy that caused this death. Pity the poor parents who woke up this morning to the news that their kid won't be coming home for Christmas.
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 11:10:40 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
I agree with Ann, SteveV - very thought provoking indeed!
Well, since I was born in 1981 everything I listened was after "the breakup." Mostly it was artists my Mom was into - she was only 22 when I was born so she was still into a lot of new music, but mostly rock, none of that 80's pop I have a fondness for. She loved The Hooters and Springsteen, Genesis and Phil Collins, Jackson Brown, John Couger Mellencamp, Cyndi Lauper, The Eagles, Styx, and U2. I was also in love with Madonna and Michael Jackson and various pop songs from the 80's. I don't think any of these had a Dan influence, save for that old Eagles/Dan thing. As far as any of them being better than Steely Dan, well I don't think anything is better than Steely Dan! Unless I'm looking for something to dance to - not gonna hear a lot of Steely Dan in a club.
I don't think I've gotten into any artists because of D&W. People like Boz Scaggs and Michael McDonald were artists I already loved before I knew of the SD connection, but that only made me love them even more! However, when I was truly getting into Steely Dan I was taking an english class in college where all we read was beat literature. Some years earlier I had bought Naked Lunch to find the Steely Dan reference, but that's a rough book to make it through and eventually I put it down. After taking that English class I took it up again and made it through, even educating my friends by reading the SD passages aloud to them. And lemme tell you, nothing draws a bigger crowd than reading about Steely Dan from Naked Lunch.
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 10:57:05 ET
Posted by: SteveIn, Singapura LAh
Ann- didn't realize you were SO isolated! But if Steely Dan is one of your bookends...you are miles ahead of the pack still!.....yes, Orchard must seem like paradise when you r here...just ran in to a friend now stationed in Qatar.....he seems to have the same feelings when he gets to Starbucks...amid the heat haze and humidity.......send me your mail address I had a few Dan archives to send you from circa 76....
Jive- awesome post....Fagen and Becker still had quite an edge circa '75...somewhat parrale to Burroughs work of that time (Wild Boys, Last Words of Dutch Shultz)....yes it is osmething about those chords....to me it was Green Earrings (perhaps the 1st "NEw Wave" song?)
Basic- righteous! I have a similar list...significant 80s breakthrough's for me include the Stranglers (circa '82- I was a big listener of BBC World Service...on shortwave {Sony ICF 2001)....David Sylvian, Sakamoto...Haircut 100...one brief smiling summer!
But my real thank you to the 'Dan is their opening me up to jazz and beat literature....Kerouac....Bluenote.....Fagen & Becker were always good interviews...even when they were mumbling!
Someone should do a remix with Horace Silver n Rikki.....cool....out
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 08:45:59 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Quite apart from:
Boz Scaggs
Rosie Vela
China Crisis
Wyndham Hill Records
Sonny Rollins
The list goes on and on................
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 06:43:51 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
I'd never really thought about it before, but my exposure to and love for Steely Dan has led me to get into (amongst others):
Michael McDonald
Rickie Lee Jones
Brecker Brothers
Dennis Chambers
Weather Report
Thelonius Monk
Marcus Miller
Who knows where I would have ended up, musically speaking, were it not for Don and Walt!! LOL
Date: Sun, October 29, 2006, 00:16:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Bolton
Wow! Steve! Very thought-provoking.........!!
Had to trawl throught the old memory banks for that one! Suddenly realised that apart from Donald's two, the only other ablbums I bought since 1981 were Simply Red and Tina Turner, and those were bought just to get 2 or 3 songs on the albums that I liked. Apart from that, nothing. However, for many of those years I was in Borneo where, in the early days, we had virtually no access to Western media, so I just relied on my existing vinyl collection. Plus motherhood restricted my financial and time access to pursuing musical interests.
So it's pretty safe to say that no musical genre or artist has usurped the Masters in my heart and mind!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Sat, October 28, 2006, 22:31:15 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata
So what's a Dan junkie to do during the "off season"?
Yes, we're anticipating the new Becker CD. I love Walter, but the essence of Steely Dan, to me, is the voice of Donald Fagen.
This was a great year for Dan fans. Morph burst onto the scene in March and lived up to lofty expectations. The summer tour was magnificent.
My SD jones spans 4 decades, starting in the 70's. Rutgers College, New Slumswick, New Jersey. I walked into town and stopped into the local record store. Rows and rows of vinyl, 1976. I scanned the discount section, and there, in green, Katy Lied. Hmmmm...Rikki...I know that tune, kinda catchy. I was transformed, an epiphany. As memory serves, the first hook was the chords. Never heard chords like that. Couldn't stop listening over and over, couldn't get enough. Everyone was playing Born to Run and Boston, I was hooked on Doctor Woo and Daddy Don't Live in that NYC. The local jazz station was WBGO out of Newark, and Horace Silver's Song For My Father came on the air. The Rikki connection was solidified. There was something sinister about all the songs. Beautifully crafted, sweet harmonies, but that voice. A cynical sneer - losers, junkies, mobsters, faux hipsters, con artists. Stories about dysfunctional cads, snippets with few references and less context. Fresh, new.
Every few years I break out a SD cd from the archives. Tonight it was Pretzel Logic. With each decade and with life experiences behind me, I listen anew, and hear nuances which create new perspectives. There was a time that I considered Any Major Dude as that light, optimistic, almost rosy tune of uplifting and encouragement for a good friend who's fallen on hard times:
Any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again...
But then, our "friend" narrator, in a moment of candor, takes off the gloves, and the encouragement turns almost mockingly cruel:
I can tell you all I know, the where to go, the what to do
You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you
Suddenly, the encouragement appears patronizingly condescending. "Yeah, I know you're fucked up and pathetically helpless, but I feel obliged to make believe that you can ultimately get your shit together. Please allow me to humor you".
Such is the brilliance of Becker/Fagen
So my advice to SD veterans and newbies is to don the headphones and listen again for the first time.
Date: Sat, October 28, 2006, 21:43:56 ET
Posted by: SteveV (BA in SteelyDanology 101), Bishan, Singapura
Just thought I'd put up a potential subject to discuss...to fill up time before Becker's album is released...
A.)what artists (if any) did Steely dan fans start listening too after the Gaucho break up in 1981.....
did any of these groups have a 'Dan influence?
were any of these artists "better" than the 'Dan
B)also were there any artists you got into because of Fagen & Becker (ie from name dropping in an interview etc)
one of the reason I love the 'Dan so much is that they were always good name droppers....they never talked too much about other artists and when they did it always seemed like a good idea to find out who they were talking about...and of course they are two of the funniest fr(*&^ing guys on the planet
Date: Sat, October 28, 2006, 13:16:05 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Fog is lifting..... think I finally "got it" as Ann from Borneo aptly describes... Bullgoose's description of a "foghorn" effect in Dunes--mimicking the pitch change when you hear things from a distance when he sings 'pretty boats....'(Dawn breaking on Marblehead as they say around here).
Can this be right?
Date: Sat, October 28, 2006, 12:46:17 ET
Posted by: murph, a cat
Living hard will take it's toll.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 22:54:11 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Spare a quiet moment Danfans, for the poor souls lost and injured fighting that fire, their families, the residents of the area and those still out there fighting it.
Peace to all,
Ann
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 20:47:10 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
First, a salute to the flattering Mer, and a bracing whiff of salt spray right back at you.
Re: The Soboba water recycling...
Craig B and the Soboba Dan Fan Wall Pissers may well apreciate the irony here: I forked out big Oxford scholars, quids, lire, bucks for my US Dan pilgrimage of recent and blessed memory. Money well spent, but a lot of money. I'm, among other things, a volunteer firefighter. I get back home. My firefighting boss says "Where have you been? Well, I know where you've been. You've been in America. I've been trying to get hold of you to send you to America to fight wildfires". Sometimes I sob quietly to myself thinking of the airfares I could have saved. What a holiday that would have been: Steely Dan AND Smoky the Bear.
As any firefighter, musician or SD fan would know, down time is hell. Here's a poser to help pass the time waiting for WB to put out. Up to just what fiery high jinx did Janie Runaway and/or her Dad get, down in Tampa. Anyone know the details? And a supplementary question: Did her sugar daddy end up being Mr. La Page, or was it Donald Rumsfeld? No. On second thoughts, strike that last question.
Put out that match now, y'hear?
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 19:11:52 ET
Posted by: Pam, I am
In regard to "getting"albums, I have a weird deja vu thing when I hear a new SD album (as a relatively new fan, I was still hearing "new" Dan a year ago). It seems like I've heard it already, even when I know I haven't. When I bought 2vN, it seemed so familiar, very hard to explain. That's how I "get" SD, and I don't recall ever having that kind of feeling about any other music that I love. And Gaucho's been in my CD changer for-ev-er. Can't take it out :) That and Kama....
I just bought Ray Charles-The Atlantic Years and keep getting this crazy mental picture of Ray with Don's mouth, great!
Come back, boys, come back!
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 18:30:12 ET
Posted by: RR Jas, Cabazon/palm springsish
Speaking of Soboba & fire, I took a pilgrimage to another "Native American" casino in the desert last month. The infamous Morongo. As you com down from Beaumont, it is the only building taller than 3 stories. The eyesore of the low desert. But, they have a brand new non inflatable building(the eyesore), and a nice venue known as the Key Club of Morongo. Think Pechanga, but even more isolated. Perfect for Don, or Walt, or Don & Walt. The fire started about two miles southeast of Morongo.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 16:32:48 ET
Posted by: Bod. Cow., Overlookin' the sea
Howard Levy and Michael Omartian also get credits on that CD, though their talents are harder to discern. Omartian is credited with arranging and/or conducting some of the strings, no actual playing that I know of.
...just a FWIW.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 16:28:37 ET
Posted by: Bodacious Cowboy, Here at the dude ranch
...and though I doubt he's on tour with him or anything, Bernard Purdie plays on the latest Alan Jackson CD "Like Red On A Rose."
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 15:41:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah, the big time
This from the Inland Press-Enterprise:
"Another tribal achievement worth mentioning is the entertainment presented over the summer at Soboba Casino, which is quite a community service provided to San Jacinto Valley residents who hate the ordeal of driving long distances for concerts.
Steely Dan and John Fogerty were big steps up in the level of concerts staged at Inland casinos.
Tribal Chairman Robert Salgado said reservation leaders were pleased with the concerts and plan to even step up next year's schedule with big acts.
Friday, country star Alan Jackson will play to a big crowd at Soboba. Juan Gabriel will entertain an arena of fans Sunday."
Whoa Nelly, Walty would bust his vest buttons with pride if he read that. Bringing A-level entertainment to the culturally challenged throbbing masses yearning for something better than Doctor Hook and Del Shanning. The Demolition Derby is fine and all but, hell, sometimes you just want something a little less rambunctious, know what I mean? Steely Dan reaching out to the weary citizenry of the burning desert, blazing bold new trails, winning hearts. And just think of the mileage saved on the old El Camino.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 15:17:37 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
BTW, that picture of the shakin'snakey girl at Soboba looks very much like the dancing hottie on the front of my "World Famous.." T shirt I bought in AC. Hmmmmm.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 14:08:41 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Beers:
Shucks...........now you're making me blush!! LOL
(I do appreciate the support though.)
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 12:09:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah, burning down the house
For one night, the Soboba Casino was the shizzle. Now it's even being useful to the denizens of the Inland Empire, Lord love them toothless backwater Bohemians. It, like our Miss Thang, had its momment, its divine brush with eternal glory. When the band struck up the first strains of Aja, the joint might as well have been Avery Fisher Hall. For an inflatable shithole in the middle of nowhere, that's pretty fair. They're going to have to go some to find another desert dump the likes of that.
I can't wait.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 11:34:56 ET
Posted by: That's Us Dan Fans,
Just think, all that beer we drank at Soboba. Then soon after we pissed it away in the john. Today it's helping fight forest fires. That's us Dan Fans, always helping mankind.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 10:34:14 ET
Posted by: Ron Jeremy,
Actually, I think it was made famous by the blonde dancing up on stage... but you can see what you wanna see I guess.
Date: Fri, October 27, 2006, 09:19:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
The Soboba Casino area , made famous by Steely Dan Fans and tractor pulls is supplying water from a nearby lake to put out huge wildfire in So Calif.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 22:58:38 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Keith Carlock's latest newsletter says that Walter's cd is coming out in the "not-too-distant future." Which, at this rate, could mean anything.
But yay for giving me hope!
Carlock's also on MySpace now. www.myspace.com/keithcarlock
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 18:37:24 ET
Posted by: You are, Number 6
"We want information. Information! INFORMATION!"
"You won't get it."
"By hook or by crook, we will." :-)
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 18:04:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
That would be telling...
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 17:28:14 ET
Posted by: Felix,
Raj- Who's your guy?
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 16:59:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
I dunno, Truth, my guy seemed pretty darn sure the men of Steel will definately be returning next summer and he has been an extremely reliable source in the past. He was the guy who broke THE hot rumor of the summer that Owen Wilson of You Me and Dupree and Steely Dan fame was doing the horizontal mombo with that Kate Hudson broad. Hunh, seems like Cousin Dupree did eventually get into Janine's ski pants after all. Personally, I never liked that creep with the mangled up shnozzola. Messin' round with other peoples wives and girlfriends is some bad karma and can be harmful to your health. Course, when you're a big Hollywood star it's hard to keep a marriage intact since you normally have to sleep with so many people.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 14:31:18 ET
Posted by: Ross, Austin, TX
There will be Steely Dan tours in....
HOOK EM HORNS!
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 14:22:08 ET
Posted by: The Truth,
Any word of a Steely Dan tour in 2007 is good news.
But the rumors are pretty much what we have been hearing. The rumors are also not too different from past years at this point, some of which ended up being tourless.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 13:52:30 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Thanks RJ
Jon does seem laid back.
Good news(rumors) about an 07 Tour maybe a WB cd...got me day dreaming
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 12:09:15 ET
Posted by: angel,
RJ: All this time, I thought you were a woman! :-)
--
Jon Herrington is just the nicest person. Love his playing too.
--
Went to a restaurant yesterday that had a juke box. I thought about putting something Steely Dan on, but didn't. Then the juke box starts up about 2 minutes later and there is Bodhisattva playing. I couldn't have chosen a better tune from Decade myself. Made my day.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 11:41:15 ET
Posted by: chris, nh
c span, that may have been a joke, but i don't get it. someone takes time out of their day to share an interesting anecdote about meeting a band member and you go and insult them? content filled posts are interesting and increasingly rare, so why direct negativity at those providing us with them?
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 10:51:32 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
I met Jon after the AC show at a informal "meet and greet" kinda thing and he was very nice and let my wife take the picture. He has a very calm aura about him and it fits with how he seems to play so effortlessly. Also saw Keith Carlock but didn't talk to him. Did not see WB or DF or anyone else for that matter. Jon was very relaxed and was talking to his friends. Seems like a cool, low-key guy and I have to admit I clammed up like a star-struck school girl. It's disorienting to see someone in person that you have watched and listened to a million times on the "Plush TV Jazz-Rock " DVD. Very surreal. My thoughts were along the lines of: "careful, don't sound like a gushing, middle-aged fanatic". I should have asked him about future tours or something interesting but I blew it. Oh well. God knows what I would do if I ever got that close to WB or DF.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 09:03:57 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
Hey RJ
Is there a story behind the picture with Jon?
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 07:50:40 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Thanks Rajah, you are too kind. C-SPAN, ah never mind. Listening to John Mayer's Continuum lately and it's pretty good. This guy has tons of talent. The first song, Waiting on the World to Change,is a very catchy tune but when I hear the bridge I can't help thinking that it stinks and DF would have done wonders with that. Loving SD is a curse in some ways.
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 07:49:37 ET
Posted by: jus' me, the observatory
You'd think that would be one of the major points that we would love about him as opposed to his politics, wouldn't ya?
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 05:28:35 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, Dandom on Trent
Would it help settle the barney if I testified that Bassics' playing of Steely tunes is invariably faultless?
Date: Thurs, October 26, 2006, 00:04:58 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
JH:
Just keep listening, it comes eventually!
Rajah: Nice to see you're more actively posting again......missed your humour so much! Thanks for the advice on 2vN....I was going through some pretty heavy sh** when it first came out and the old auditory receptors weren't picking up the vibes too well. Chilling this week, so will go for it as much as possible.
Peace and out!
Ann
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 19:08:30 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NY
Found a magical gem in a video of Rupert Holmes singing "Him" on YouTube. Someone left a comment comparing Rupert to Steely Dan under the video -
"Always knew of "The Pina Colada Song", until I picked up the Partners in Crime Lp at a thrift shop on a lark. Damn...I Love it, love it. He's kinda like a more nerdy Steely Dan... only cooler. Great arrangements, hooks, storytelling, and musicianship."
WTF, Rupert cooler than SD? I don't think so.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 19:06:50 ET
Posted by: Milo,
2007 is the 30th anniversary of AJA. I think a tour is a "No-Brainer". Plus hopefully the Donald "Box" will be out by then
and MAYBE new Walter. And, Donald said many times this summer,
"See ya next year" and "Our book should be bigger by next summer".
I really wanted to go to Milan!!!!
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 17:46:03 ET
Posted by: There will be Steely Dan tours in, 2007 and 2008 and 2009 and...
beyond... Touring is their new gig and they really do need the money.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 17:12:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Squirrley - you look smashing for a young man of 52. Who says youth is wasted on the young? That Jon is one helluva nice fella, always ready to say hello. He told a story that just once in all these years has Donald had a comment about his playing. He stopped him after sound check once and said, "Hey Jon...that part in there, um,...aw, forget it."
I now have gotten the rumor of a 2007 Steely Dan Tour from three separate and distinct 5th-hand sources, one of them from a commercial agent at CAA who happens to be in my fantasy football league. Take it for what it's worth.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 15:39:28 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mr Evans:
I have little or no idea WHAT you mean, grammatically incorrect or otherwise.
I too have absolutely no wish to continue our "debate" and will not respond further to any of your posts on the subject.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 15:31:31 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
RJ,
I agree you're an old fuck. Maybe you should put the beer bottle down.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 15:11:56 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA
Good tunes today on Radio free Dandom
Thanks Hoops
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 15:03:23 ET
Posted by: not yer slag, ...
we vote for Ross Pritchard/Jane Horrocks as the next Prime Minister of the UK :-)
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 15:01:12 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain
for some real good!! laughs, revisited the Steely Dan archived stuff and this Japan letter....
http://www.steelydan.com/japanletter.html
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 13:50:48 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PA
Greetings all. Here's something non-political and lightweight since things are slow around here. Check out this photo from the Atlantic City show which is now part of my SD shrine:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gretchybabe/AtlanticCity005.jpg
I'll beat you to the punch - yes I look like an old fart but I'm only 52 (same as Rajah)! Ahhh great memories of that show...
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 13:21:33 ET
Posted by: JH,
Ann, I like how you bring up "getting" a song/album. As a young fan, I think I can honestly say I have yet to "get" any SD albums. I just love the music. Funny you also mention Gaucho; I have had it in my car for over a month now, just can not get enough of it!
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 12:54:42 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street
Dissention in the ranks! Mutiny on the bounty. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls. Thank God for the mighty Rajah, who at the drop of the immediate dime will forever share his knowledge of all things Steely Dan. Soboba seems like light years away, but man it was so great. Rajah, love on you for always bringing it back to what is important, the music of the greatest band.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 12:49:06 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
Please just try to keep yourselves occupied till the Becker cd comes out. That should keep everyone talking till the SD 07' Tour is announced. And so on and so forth.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 12:33:59 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK
Mr Basic
What planet are you on ? You know as well as I do that whilst being grammatically incorrect what I meant was that the UK does have many faults but it is still a great country. You and Ann are the ones who are slagging it off, without any justification. I am merely defending Blighty. This is my final comment unless you want to continue the debate by making more criticisms of the UK without backing your comments up.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 12:19:42 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Mr Evans:
OK.
So your contention is that "no one denies that the UK is faultless".
All further comment is, I think, redundant.
I rest my case.
Ann:
Well said.
Sad that you apparently have no right to say it. LOL
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 11:38:15 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK
Bassic,
I know you did not claim the UK was faultless !! I said that not you. What you said was that you agreed with Ann about political correctness ! I can assure you I am not rude, I merely think it is unfair for people to start talking politics on what is supposed to be a Steely Dan music site ! I also have a right to reply to comments that are made without any justification whatsoever, especially political ones. I can assure fellow Danheads worlwide that Britain, like Don and Walt, is still GREAT !
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 10:50:40 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC
Jim, yea this place is great, I hope you were just joshin’ when you intimated a change from it or even apart from it in the mask of a less Blue book; light Blue, baby Blue and powder Blue just don’t make it for me.
keep it Blue.
keep it Dangential.
And keep it going.
A while back I noticed and posted in response to what I suspected was a drying of the Steely-well because I saw a certain shift away from the Dangential.
This was when posters listed their favorite “driving music”, nothing wrong with that as an unattached exercise but, I responded that it was becoming non-Dangential; maybe I was wrong in doing that.
In fact you Jim got on yours truly for pointing that out:
“Partial credit for what, Alkali???
The driving tunes thread has been an interesting thread for some, no dounbt some are going to scroll by as well. I like seeing what people are interested in as far as I am concerned, so I can see their musical roots. I also like the sense of comradery it's created. I'm not sure I personally would choose the same selections for driving tunes as some people do but to be honest I don't think everyone else would find mine interesting too. And not sure every song you list is a "Real 'driving tune' " in my book but, cool, nice to know what you think.”
I simply stated the fact that “driving tunes” weren’t Dangential.
I like to hope that it was just a lull in the Steely discussion and not reflective of that finite well, in fact drying up.
I know that it’s very difficult to keep it Steely sometimes with all that’s happening in this world, there are a lot more important things than Steely Dan or any other musician(s) for that matter.
I for one try to keep it as Steely as possible.
But, I admit that sometimes I veer off when something well, ticks me off.
Case in point the Rumsfeld post.
I’ve no doubt that some rags down under (pun intended) are as yellowed and sullied as some up here i.e. NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, Washington post etc.
So when I see a twisted rendition of America, I defend her.
because it's important, more important than keeping it Dangential.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 10:41:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Ann, 2VN is a terrific album, richly deserving of the 2000 Grammy for Best, no contest. It has all these incredible layers of sound. Listen to Negative Girl and marvel at the intro, the trickling waterfall of mood-altering movements. The counter rhythms, the silky smooth resolves. The original classic thing fer shur. And don't forget to turn it up, reach out and grab it.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 10:27:53 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,
Well.
Jim, it seems to me that there are plenty of sites where the more politically outspoken amongst us could gather. I respect the inclinations of those who love to argue and debate other subjects, and I'm grateful to St. Al for the service he provides in that regard, even though I am just a casual lurker ovah there.
I'm sure there are other non-SD sites, too. It seems though, that, like a favorite tavern, part of the attraction is the personalities present at any given time. Unfortunately, you get to cyber-mop up every night and manage the sometimes loutish behavior. And let's face it, some people just can't walk away from a post that they disagree with...it's like an addiction to them.
You have shown such considerable hospitality here and have provided us with the vehicle for many hours of camraderie, reflection and kinship and I think that in our own ways, we have tried to spread that. Whatever you decide, I'm in it for the long haul and when it comes right down to it, isn't that more important than whatever political leanings I have?
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 10:00:05 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA
My apologies to the Blue for posting as meyer meyer. Dishonesty and my lack of courage just don’t cut it here or any place else. I am sensitive to any slams to our present "powers that be" because my son is over there..and I just take it personal.
Wow I finally bought Kama and am just blown away on how terrific it is.
No duds there
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 09:46:14 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
For the record 1:
I am a true fan (as will be confirmed by anyone who met me on this Summer's tour, after my long trek to the USA), and have been since 1973, but we all have different receptors. Those who get everything immediately are the lucky ones.
For the record 2:
I utterly despise imperialism, be it political or cultural, marginally more than I despise sensationalsm in newspapers, but not quite as much as I despise racism and people who move to someone else's country and then start laying down the law about how people in that country should behave.
My opinions are based on personal experience, gained from the long journey of life from Bolton to Borneo. If anyone else would like to continue the political discussion, please email me at the above address and I will happily elaborate on/explain/justify my opinions.
Jim: Sorry to bring this to the Blue. I'll shut up now.
Peace to all!
Ann
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 09:32:28 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"No one denies the UK is faultless"
I don't recall ever claiming this ?!?!
With all due respect, I am under no obligation to justify my opinions on this or any other subject - especially to someone as rude as you.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 09:11:56 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK
Basicinstinct,
What exactly are you agreeing with Ann about ? You sound as politically posturing as the British politicians you are criticising without any evidence or justification !! No one denies the UK is faultless but there are problems the world over.
As this is supposed to be a Steely Dan related forum I would suggest you and Ann go to one of Walter and Donald's favourite studios to have a chat about how bad things are in Britain - Hyperbolic Sound !!
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 08:20:16 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
"Hey Bulldoose, you may not like your politicians, but you only have to spend a few days in the UK and see the madness there, created by political correctness run riot, to maybe understand a bit of where Howard et al's views are coming from."
Ann:
With great respect, I think that you are 100% correct with that observation. In all honesty, I despair on an almost daily basis when I read of the peurile posturing of our supposed representatives.
Now if HYPOCRISY ever became an Olympic event............ LOL
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 05:41:50 ET
Posted by: SS, HK
Ann....I'm really one of those fans who 'gets' the songs/albums at random times. I'd say it doesn't take so long anymore, since I listen to much more music these days (and different types) but that's not true. It probably took me ten years to really get Kama.
Anyway, it's more fun this way. Immediate favourites are displaced by less observed tracks...then years later the favourites make a comeback. I could never complain about hearing the music anew.
Political debate is cool...it just doesn't happen around here without (personal) attacks. And it never takes long for that to start up. That's why this isn't the forum for it. The Yellow seems set up better for that.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 04:19:52 ET
Posted by: Fleming Loft, Java
Yes, Ann moved to the jungle at the time Margaret Thatcher stepped down from the throne.
–Why Borneo? someone asked.
–Well, I must hold on to what's left of the Empire, Ann replied.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 04:10:58 ET
Posted by: Pete eEvans, Manchester UK
Ann, Borneo,
You say the comments are getting a bit 'heavy' and then make a ridiculous statement about the UK and madness created by political correctness. You simply cannot make a comment like that without atttempting to justify the statement !! Sounds like you get the Daily Mail shipped over to Borneo on a regular basis.Th UK is still one of the great countries of the world despite the fact that you choose not to live here.You sound like a typical ex pat slagging off their native country.
As for the Dan and Don, well as a fan since 1975 I 'get' every track pretty much straight away. I think most fans get tuned into their wavelength immediately simly because their is no one else in the whole of rock and pop that does what they do with such genius.
Date: Wed, October 25, 2006, 03:52:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo
Well, this old place seems to be getting a bit heavy, so just to lighten the mood a little, I'm interested to see if there are any fans around like me, who sometimes take a long time to "get it".
I "got" most of the Morph the Cat tracks within the first 3 plays, with the exception of the title track....still waiting for that one to get through.
Gaucho has become my favourite album, only in the last few weeks. I still haven't "got" 2vN, and yet "Everything must go" hit me straight away. Kamakiriad is only just settling in to my brain cells, aided by Bullgooses excellent review of "On the dunes". Maybe the rate at which we "get" tracks is associated with external forces affecting our lives....who knows.........all opinions welcome.
SueDave: Pics received ok, many thanks. Hope you got my email. Great memories especially the sight of GM looking like she was about to burst! (nothing to do with who was standing next to her, of course!!!!)
Alan/Bullgoose: Well, looks like 18th Nov is out for me, unless you happen to know anyone with a private jet who would be going down there and could skim past Borneo and pick me up. Work.....must be punishment for sins in a former lifetime!!
Hey Bulldoose, you may not like your politicians, but you only have to spend a few days in the UK and see the madness there, created by political correctness run riot, to maybe understand a bit of where Howard et al's views are coming from.
Eid Mubarak and happy Deepalvali to anyone out there who may be celebrating these two important events.
Peace to all in this crazy world,
Ann
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 23:44:28 ET
Posted by: Good King Richard,, Winter of our Discontent
The Blue is one of the premier sites on the www.,with some of the all-time greats of the blogosphere as its contributors (Rajah, Newark, RJ Squirrel, Doc Mu, Alkali, Bullgoose et.al.). Two thousand six A.D. will probably never be surpassed in terms of tours and record releases packed into such a short span of time in the History of the Dan. Thus there was great interest generated and lots of fodder on which to ruminate.
Dandom is now moving into an uncertain future, perhaps not unlike 1983 when it appeared fairly certain that the Dan or DF and WB themselves were perhaps finished--gone the route of the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Spandau Ballet, Oingo Boingo, Devo and other great acts. It is an unknown for which the only clues Dandom has is an upcoming WB record and hints of a summer 2007 tour. But that is more than Dandom had when the Blue was started in 1993-94 at or near the end of the NY Rock and Soul Revue/Steely Dan Orchestra experiments. Dandom then entered what turned out to be about a five to six year "winter" of inactivity. But the Blue, evidently, did not go dark.
TO THOSE WHO WERE THERE: What The "F" did contributors post during these uncertain periods AND what was the frequency, quality and level of discourse relative to that has been experienced 2005-06?
To paraphrase: "Those who can 'remember' history might have chance to repeat it". And consider things that are more than "tangential"--perhaps "hyperbolic" or "asymptotic"........lest the Blue go dark..
VR
King Richie
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 21:27:47 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Fraternal greetings to all you Bluesters who took the digital trouble to respond to my Bodacious Cowboys post. Bearing in mind Hoops's recent and understandable cud chewing over political content in the Blue Book, I guess I should preface my statement to the Court of Blue Opinion in the matter of Bullgoose vs. Rumsfeld with the observation that, on the basis of opinions explicit and implicit in such SD numbers as King of the World, Kings, Royal Scam, IGY, The Nightfly, Jack of Speed, Godwhacker, Slam Da Gate, Mary, and others, neither principal of SD would give Demolition Don a glimpse of their Timex, as it were. This, I believe, establishes my Rumsfeld allusion's legitimate place in a Blue Book posting, satisfying as it does the 'SD-Related' criterion laid down by Benjamin Hooplin.
Now, as to the taste and decency of the allusion, and Bullgoose sets great store by these twin hallmarks of civilisation; I daresay it's necessary first to spend a moment considering the 'American Worldview', if such a thing can be said to exist, and comparing it with another western school of thought: the 'Australian Worldview', or whatever.
Asked why he'd referred to his music as 'Punk Jazz', Jaco Pastorius replied along the lines of 'I'm a punk, inasmuch as I don't give a shit'. I take this to mean that he was open-minded about music and hadn't been strapped too tightly into the straight jacket of, say, jazz or rock.(perhaps, in Jaco's case, 'straight jacket' is not a tasteful image for me to evoke) To me, Frank Sinatra is a different pair of bobby sox: sure, he was gifted, and very very popular, but he was also cranky, massively hypocritical, and overstayed his welcome at the microphone when his voice became an embarrassment to all but the tin-eared.
Leaving that hanging in the air awhile...
On my recent Dan pilgrimage to the US, I found the people to be can-do, sincere, big-hearted in a personal sense, but alarmingly self-contained in that the rest of the world didn't seem to register with them all that much. I already knew that to criticise the President, any President, was to twist a dirty knife in the vitals of each and every American. I was moved by all the bumper stickers for the boys and girls in Iraq, but wondered why there weren't more 'Bring Them Home' messages about. Nevertheless, like a well-mannered guest, I kept these thoughts to myself while I enjoyed American hospitality.
Here, in the international waters of the world wide web, I feel I can be a little more candid.
Aussies, New Zealanders, Poms, Italians, Greeks, Frenchies etc. are completely comfortable with people criticising their President, Prime Minister or whoever. I disagree with nearly everything John Howard has said, done or will do, but even if I thought he was heaven on a stick it would be fine for a Yank, or anyone else to take a kick. Why? Because we realise that being in the top job doesn't make you infallible. The effervescent Alkali is welcome to pay out on Brendan Nelson, Australia's blighted Minister for Defence. To 'The Rest of The World', Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are not, individually or collectively, a good thing, and are, therefore, legitimate targets for the odd critical joke, or allusion such as mine, or indeed Donald Fagen's serve at Cheney.
I still love Yanks. I still love Steely Dan. The fact that artists like Dand W can be thrown up by, and prosper in, America is itself a validation of the best in Americanism.
And what's with the Jaco/Sinatra thing? Jaco was a big fan of Sinatra. Australia is more like Jaco and America is more like Frank. Am I the only one who sees a parallel between Sinatra and what's happened to the US in the Middle East? No, I think oldbunny, rummy and ronalddumsfeld are on the same wavelength.
Enjoy your Australian visit, Alkali. You will find Melbourne, in very broad terms, more New York to Sydney's LA, as far as music is concerned.
Now, let's have an end to politics on The Blue.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 20:59:43 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia
Fraternal greetings to all you Bluesters who took the digital trouble to respond to my Bodacious Cowboys post. Bearing in mind Hoops's recent and understandable cud chewing over political content in the Blue Book, I guess I should preface my statement to the Court of Blue Opinion in the matter of Bullgoose vs. Rumsfeld with the observation that, on the basis of opinions explicit and implicit in such SD numbers as King of the World, Kings, Royal Scam, IGY, The Nightfly, Jack of Speed, Godwhacker, Slam Da Gate, Mary, and others, neither principal of SD would give Demolition Don a glimpse of their Timex, as it were. This, I believe, establishes my Rumsfeld allusion's legitimate place in a Blue Book posting, satisfying as it does the 'SD-Related' criterion laid down by Benjamin Hooplin.
Now, as to the taste and decency of the allusion, and Bullgoose sets great store by these twin hallmarks of civilisation; I daresay it's necessary first to spend a moment considering the 'American Worldview', if such a thing can be said to exist, and comparing it with another western school of thought: the 'Australian Worldview', or whatever.
Asked why he'd referred to his music as 'Punk Jazz', Jaco Pastorius replied along the lines of 'I'm a punk, inasmuch as I don't give a shit'. I take this to mean that he was open-minded about music and hadn't been strapped too tightly into the straight jacket of, say, jazz or rock.(perhaps, in Jaco's case, 'straight jacket' is not a tasteful image for me to evoke) To me, Frank Sinatra is a different pair of bobby sox: sure, he was gifted, and very very popular, but he was also cranky, massively hypocritical, and overstayed his welcome at the microphone when his voice became an embarrassment to all but the tin-eared.
Leaving that hanging in the air awhile...
On my recent Dan pilgrimage to the US, I found the people to be can-do, sincere, big-hearted in a personal sense, but alarmingly self-contained in that the rest of the world didn't seem to register with them all that much. I already knew that to criticise the President, any President, was to twist a dirty knife in the vitals of each and every American. I was moved by all the bumper stickers for the boys and girls in Iraq, but wondered why there weren't more 'Bring Them Home' messages about. Nevertheless, like a well-mannered guest, I kept these thoughts to myself while I enjoyed American hospitality.
Here, in the international waters of the world wide web, I feel I can be a little more candid.
Aussies, New Zealanders, Poms, Italians, Greeks, Frenchies etc. are completely comfortable with people criticising their President, Prime Minister or whoever. I disagree with nearly everything John Howard has said, done or will do, but even if I thought he was heaven on a stick it would be fine for a Yank, or anyone else to take a kick. Why? Because we realise that being in the top job doesn't make you infallible. The effervescent Alkali is welcome to pay out on Brendan Nelson, Australia's blighted Minister for Defence. To 'The Rest of The World', Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are not, individually or collectively, a good thing, and are, therefore, legitimate targets for the odd critical joke, or allusion such as mine, or indeed Donald Fagen's serve at Cheney.
I still love Yanks. I still love Steely Dan. The fact that artists like Dand W can be thrown up by, and prosper in, America is itself a validation of the best in Americanism.
And what's with the Jaco/Sinatra thing? Jaco was a big fan of Sinatra. Australia is more like Jaco and America is more like Frank. Am I the only one who sees a parallel between Sinatra and what's happened to the US in the Middle East? No, I think oldbunny, rummy and ronalddumsfeld are on the same wavelength.
Enjoy your Australian visit, Alkali. You will find Melbourne, in very broad terms, more New York to Sydney's LA, as far as music is concerned.
Now, let's have an end to politics on The Blue.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 20:21:44 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston
Geez Bullgoose. I think I'm in love.....
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 19:35:01 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area
Banyan Nine: thanks for the info!!!
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 18:44:04 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
"C- Span - That's already been tried. It's called "The Yellow Book". You can always go over there and talk "Bush" with St.Al and Peter Q."
I have, and it's actually quite a good time. Don and Walt talk about politics, religion, and literature all the time (among other things), so why cant we? You don't seem to understand that Steely Dan, or music for that matter, doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's impossible to talk about music and not talk about those subjects that are reflected in it. Don and Walt seem to have accepted that so why can't you?
Just take a look at Donald and Walter's websites. Are their writings all about music and nothing but? Gee, I wonder why not.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 18:37:14 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
test
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 16:24:59 ET
Posted by: The Blue Book Rocks!, The way it is
"Changing your format won't change that fact. Instead, maybe you should relax your rules a bit"
C- Span - That's already been tried. It's called "The Yellow Book". You can always go over there and talk "Bush" with St.Al and Peter Q.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 15:46:37 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
I'll sit around and talk about Steely Dan all day when Fagen and Becker sit around and talk about Steely Dan all day. Can't you see that it's an impossible thing to do? SD fans have a higher I.Q. than most other music fans, so why should it come as a suprise that they want to talk about other subjects besides music?
What you're experiencing here isn't unique. The same thing happens on most, if not all, music guestbooks. Changing your format won't change that fact. Instead, maybe you should relax your rules a bit and accept that this is normal discourse in the music world.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 15:44:16 ET
Posted by: C-SPAN,
I'll sit around and talk about Steely Dan all day when Fagen and Becker sit around and talk about Steely Dan all day. Can't you see that it's an impossible thing to do? SD fans have a higher I.Q. than most other music fans, so why should it come as a suprise that they want to talk about other subjects besides music?
What you're experiencing here isn't unique. The same thing happens on most, if not all, music guestbooks. Changing your format won't change that fact. Instead, maybe you should relax your rules a bit and accept that this is normal discourse in the music world.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 15:05:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,
Don't lets mess with a damn good thing, Hoopsie. This field of Blue works for a reason, I'm convinced. And it ain't just cause Steely Dan happens to be the most happenin' thing out there and have a following which includes some of the best music fans of every genre. Folks here know their shit and are willing to come out guns blazin to argue the finer points. It's our one-stop shopping center for all good new music.
Don't do it, Jimmah, dontcha change a hair for me, no, not if you care for me.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 15:04:45 ET
Posted by: Avatar Studio updates, slightly Dantangential
=> Chris Shaw mixing Panic! at the Disco’s track for a film, assisted
by Chad Lupo in Studio B.
=> John Scofield Trio recording with James Farber, Scofield produced,
Anthony Ruotolo assisted in Studio C.
=> Interscope artist M.I.A. overdubbing with Avatar engineer Peter
Doris, assisted by Rick Kwan, Mr. Bangladesh produced in Studio G.
=> MTV U filming live performances for Live Leak featuring The
Roots. Avatar’s Anthony Ruotolo engineered, MTV-U’s Joe Buoye
produced in Studio A.
=> Jane Monheit recording with Jorge Calandrelli producing, Elliot
Scheiner engineering, Brian Montgomery assisting in Studio A.
=> Ralph MacDonald recording with Elliot Scheiner engineering, Brian
Montgomery assisting in Studio A.
=> Nile Rodgers in with Interscope artist Lanz. Avatar engineers
Anthony Ruotolo and Brian Montgomery engineering, Justin Gerrish
assisting in Studio B.
=> Kevin Killen in working on an Elvis Costello track for a Joni
Mitchell Tribute album. Anthony Ruotolo assisted in Studio C.
=> Sheryl Crow stopped in to sing on a duet with Willie Nelson for
June Carter Cash Tribute album. John Carter Cash produced. Avatar’s
Anthony Ruotolo engineered, Eddie Jackson assisted.
=> Harry Connick, Jr. recorded with producer Tracey Freeman, engineer
Vince Caro, assistant engineer Anthony Ruotolo in Studio A.
=> A Clay Aiken string session was held with engineer Tom Durack,
producer Adam Anders, and assistant engineer Anthony Ruotolo in
Studio A.
=> David Bendeth mixed tracks for Pillar. Bendeth engineered and
produced, assisted by Chad Lupo in Studio B.
=> Kevin Killen mixed an upcoming release by Amos Lee. Barrie
Maguire produced, Eddie Jackson assisted in Studio B.
=> David Foster with engineer Humberto Gatica recording with Peter
Cincotti. Peter Doris served as Pro Tools operator / assistant
engineer in Studio A.
=> Branford Marsalis recording for his Jazz Honors Series 2. Rob
Hunter engineered and Chad Lupo assisted in Studio A.
=> David Bendeth mixing tracks for Virgin band “I’m A Robot.”
Bendeth engineered and produced assisted by Chad Lupo in Studio B.
=> Producer Steve Lillywhite and engineer Eli Janney mixing Satellite
Party (Perry Farrell and Nuno Bettencourt) for Columbia Records.
Anthony Ruotolo assisted in Studio G.
4. MASTERING NEWS (by Fred Kevorkian)
=> Mastering and sound restoration done on a few full-length live
shows from Phish including very early shows from the band performed
in Colorado in 1988.
=> Mastered the Flyleaf single "Fully Alive" for Octone Records.
=> Mastered tracks by 33Miles and single for MercyMe for INO Records.
=> Mastered Live at Fenway Park, Boston MA by Dave Matthews Band and
New Magnetic Wonder by The Apples in Stereo.
=> Mastered songs for Rufus Wainwright and Gomez.
=> Mastered Willie Nelson’s latest album, Songbird, produced by Ryan
Adams.
=> Mastered music for a DVD/CD release, Phish Live in Brooklyn.
=> Mastered Sonny Rollins latest album, Sonny, Please.
=> Mastered John Patitucci’s latest album, Line by Line from Concord
Records.
=> Mastered Trey Anastasio’s solo album, Bar 17.
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 14:16:28 ET
Posted by: hoops,
From time to time it becomes apparent to pose the question:
Should there be a second Bluebook for general "anything goes" discussion in addition to the "Tangentially Steely Dan" discussion? In the pastr several hours there have been a collection of purely political/non-SD submittals, some of which are gone.
I know there is at least one other "anything goes including Steely Dan forum" but I also know such a forum pushes away certain segments of the greater Dandom who have worthwhile things to share about the main topic that is the rationale for this site. At the same time, it's quite obvious that especially Donald Fagen has become quite overt in expressing his political opinions at his site. Should there be a "Music/Other things" sorta dichotomy of two forums like "No business/Show Business"? Please email privately with comments. Thanks.
Personally, I'm very politically active but I very much prefer to use other forums and contexts for that as they are much more productive. Personally, to some extent, I'm glad we can come together to talk Steely Dan regardless of politics; yet, as mentioned above, DF is especially overt in his politics these days--I've always preferred the Steely Dan way of flying a bit under the radar so people don't know what hit them. It so happens that my political views are mostly alligned with DF's (and likely Walter's), although my spiritual beliefs tend to lean much closer to Walter's than Donald's.
My take is that a lot of people in the greater Dandom argue for the sake of arguing rather than to take action. Just my two piasters. Thanks.
jim
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 14:14:54 ET
Posted by: Ronald Dumsfeld, good ol USofA
"The place was locked up as tight as Rumsfeld's world view"
Thanks for the laugh!
Sydney's Bodacious Cowboys sound great (saw a clip on YouTube).
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 13:24:01 ET
Posted by: oldbunny,
Thousands dead, many more daily...no weapons of mass destruction uncovered to da te--yeah, Rumsfeld and the gang are doing GREAT. Check this out: http://www.gua rdian.co.uk/video/page/0,,1927660,00.html
Date: Tues, October 24, 2006, 12:08:27 ET
Posted by: rummy, war crimes tribunal
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JANUARY 2006 BlueBook Entries.
The Steely Dan Webring
©Page Design 2001jim mckay - flat hat design
Surely you are not that delusional a neocon as to still credit him with doing A
NYTHING right?
Posted by: Santa, with a bottle of musketelleI'm pretty sure you hang a left off Hudson Street down by the Holland Tunnel entrance. Or something like that...
Posted by: Alkali, NYCYea, BULLGOOSE, why the shot at Rumsfeld?
He’s done a good job thus far.
I wouldn’t say anything disparaging about Nelson, would I?
Or even Howard.
(although it would be easy)
Hey, my wife and I will be in Australia (Melbourne) for a few days in mid December!
Can’t wait.
“…gonna do just what I please…..”
Posted by: Not, Brian SweetFrom the new post at Lexi Says:
FYI -The "Lonnie" that DF is referring to, is the same "Lonnie" referenced in the "Boston Rag".
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0/16/2006
10/16/06
Lex, again I must protest the use of the NO BIZ side of the site for SHOW BIZ purposes. Awards announcements have no place here. Perhaps you should ask if you can do a "LEXI SELLS" column on the other side.
Incidentally, DF called in about a business matter this morning and, in regard to the final closing of CBGBs, I asked him if he'd ever gone to the club.
"Never been", he said. "I haven't been down to the Bowery since I had friends who lived around there in the sixties. My friend Lonnie Yongue was a squatter in a building way downtown on Chambers and Greenwich. This was in about '67. He had no heat. Lonnie was probably the first painter to live in what was then a totally desolate area. It was pretty scary and really freezing 'cause we were always underdressed for the winter in thin overcoats and stupid long scarves that dragged on the sidewalk. Hey, do you remember those bumper stickers, '''Soho sucks, bring back the trucks'''?"
Posted by: Bob, Nycmo music - So what you're really trying to say is that you were wrong.
Posted by: Meyer Meyer, USAGoose
Nice little story about forgiveness and setting a good example for your young son..but why the Rumsfeld shot
Posted by: one of the Banyan Nine, landlockedWhy yes, doc. That photo was taken at the MACC, Maui, HI on 10/10/03 and should be properly credited to the one and only Pete Fogel.
Posted by: steelydoc, philly area...there is a new pic at the DF gallery, and a couple of new posts at Lexi Says...anyone know where the DF '03 pic, "blue tent" was taken?
Posted by: mo music, ...Haha. You know I wasn't referring to Rob Whitlock. He's too good for them, not the kind of player that can smother his own talents to serve someone else's sound. If even so a good sound.
Posted by: The bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australiaHey Azan
Here's a Dan Karmic tale that may amuse. One hot summer, several years back, I read about this SD tribute band made up of Sydney's top session players;they were to be playing at The Basement. I promptly decamped from the bush bunker and sped to Sydney, fronted early at The Basement with my brother and our nephew, booked tickets, and returned later to queue for entry. Nix, nay, nyet. We were turned away, because the brother an I were wearing (tasteful) shorts. The rejection struck hard: I've never been refused entry to anything. We took it like persons, and retired to a different venue where we discovered the trumpet genius of Scott Tinkler,(check him out) so we salvaged something from the evening.
Well, The Bullgoose forgives, but he doesn't forget, and sometimes he doesn't remember, but doesn't forgive either. Family Bullgoose maintained a quiet and tasteful rage from the comfort of the moral high ground for some years:The Basement was blacklisted, and remained that way until...
My son visited Sydney and asked for my blessing to check out The Bodacious Cowboys at The Basement. It was like a scene from Romeo and Juliet, Fiddler on the Roof, or maybe a mob film. Well, vendetta is such a tacky concept, and there's no need for the son to suffer for the father's high principles, so, after recommending he wear long duds, and warning against punching out any Samoan bouncers, I gave my assent.
The son returned from the gig raving. This is a lad who has seen Bela Fleck and The Flecktones, Joe Zawinul and The Yellowjackets in all their tasty glory, and he was impressed. "Those guitarists, Dad, they rip through the solos like corn through a goose."
Hmm. I was pleased. I was happy for my son, my softening of heart had paid good dividends, but wasn't yet ready to let go of the old insult, until...
My brother goes to a primary school reunion earlier this year. The same heads on older bodies. Catching up. Blah blah. Meets a gent. "What do you do?" "I own The Basement."
"Oh you do, do you? Well, I've got something to say to you, mate."
Cut to a few months down the track. We've been offered a second front row centre table and all the compliments of the house for a Bodacious Cowboys show at The Basement.
And what a great show it was. Too good. The encores went so long that we missed the curfew at the parking station: the place was locked up as tight as Rumsfeld's world view, and they weren't opening up for anyone.
The moral? Don't keep a grudge for a pet, and, to paraphrase WB, the other feller's probably a decent guy, more than willing to do the right thing when he finds out what the right thing is, (this does not necessarily apply to parking station operators) and The Bodacious Cowboys are well worth catching.
Will I be there? Pressures of work etc. But the son and brother could well front. Hope you make it, Ann.
I have it on good authority that The Royal Scam will be playing around Byron in the summer.
Posted by: Les, LAWN GUYLANDHEY THERE..
Any idea where to get a chordbook of Morph the Cat tunes, complete?
How bout a website?
thanks.. les
Posted by: Bob, NycMO Music-- Rob Whitlock played on a Steely Dan record? Please tell me which one.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandWanna see something really sick?? Check this clip out with Vinnie, Chick, and Patitucci: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WbMCeuk9Q
Posted by: Mo Music, ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGAf71b2BA
Rob Whitlock and Anthony Jackson (Steely Dan alumni)
Posted by: DWB, ...http://www.myspace.com/johnbeasleymusic
Posted by: Beerberian, Dandom on TrentFire in the Hole arrived from Sweden this very morning ... VERY efficient service from CDON.COM ... now to play
Posted by: suedave, over hereDamm, if I had been in NYC I would have gone to check out YGK's music - the man has talent.
I listened to Gaucho as loud as I could get away with yesterday, after reading that fab article about the losers and more. As usual, I still drift away to the music & the sound from time to time, but I did manage to get some extra humor out of listening after that read.
Back in the vinyl days, I thought that Gaucho was cold and icy, and I didn't listen to it as much as some of the other originals. But now I don't have that same listening experience...not sure if it's cause my stereo is better, if its got something to do with the CD/SACD version, or that my head has shattered the ice. It's an amazing work that I reach for frequently.
Ann - did ya ever get those pics I sent? they were kinda large.
Posted by: azan, Shellharbour AUHey Ann
The gig is on the 18th Nov and they normally sell pretty quick. As far as I know tickets for the Dinner & Show are already sold out but you can almost always get in on the night and hang at the bar or out the back on the Green Room.
Hope you can make it
Good Luck !
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHey Alan!
What date is it.....got a direct flight to Sydney now from darkest Borneo. If I can get time off and use my air miles, I might just be there too!!!!!
Peace to all,
Ann
Posted by: azan, Shellharbour AUSo Bullgoose, are you coming down from the sticks for the show ?
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australiaBullgoose here.
Anyone swinging by Australia in the near fute may wish to book for The Bodacious Cowboys'
Christmas Steely Dan Show at The Basement in Sydney. It's coming up in November.
If you go to Youtube and type in Peter Northcote, you will find a twin guitar playout on Kid Charlemagne from a Cowboys show earlier this year.
Posted by: Craig B, AV CAYGK
Just listened to your cd and enjoyed it esp. Sd movie and PR girl
Only 3 guys that look good wearing a pork pie hat : Gene Hackman(sp?)
you and Rajah.
Good luck with the gig and cd
Posted by: Tim D., Austin -
Do even have a gig to go to tough guy?
Posted by: Aphelion, I've always considered music to be a personal thing. Who cares if anyone else is listening?
Money and Marketing are tasks best left to the non-musically inclined.
Posted by: Diego The Cat, Meow!
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy PadAustin,
You should try a Sad Design gig sometime. One is a huge crowd for us.
Hey if your looking for some more popular bands check out Snoop Daddy Pouf's new CD, or Paris Hilton's.
Posted by: jus' me, hereYou know what? How many of us have the guts to GO to Manhattan, let alone book a gig there? To wit, a little Steely Dan from which we gather our strength:
I want a name when I lose
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide
Call me Deacon Blues...
etc.
Posted by: Austin, New YorkDenise--
I went to YGK's gig last night. I walked into the venue and I was the only person there. It was very embarrassing. I lefty pretty quickly.
Posted by: Denise, HinktownYGK, how did your gig go last night?
Posted by: Steve M, ScotlandDeaconblue (Brussels)
I'll come back tomorrow with my list of favourites from Morph but for now can I just say how much I enjoyed drinking in the bars of your much underrated city recently.
My top 4:
1: A la Mort Subite (a bit obvious but beautiful surroundings and lovely in the afternoon when its a bit quiet)
2: Toone (how many bars are also puppet theatres??)
3: Le Greenwich (really strange toilets and the chess players aren't just posing are they?)
4: Au Bon Vieux Temps (just a great bar, great atmosphere and the most incredible framboise ever!)
Goedenacht
Steve
Posted by: Pippi has a Scar, from Ear to Eternityhttp://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1058&a=581079&previousRenderType=1
and here's 2 more samples:
Barrytown and Do It Again
plezant da ge weer hier zijt :-)
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehHere's something for those of you out there who enjoy Bruce Cockburn:
http://www.ottawasun.com/Showbiz/Music/2006/10/21/2086897-sun.html
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELS, the city of the great TootsSeven months after the release of Morph the Cat. Let's see if your favourite tracks still the same.
These are mine's!
01 H GANG
02 MARY...
03 THE GREAT PAGODA..
04 WHAT I DO
05 SECURITY JOAN
06 MONA
07 MORPH..
08 BRITE NITE...
BTW. Let's have our thoughts with Toots Thielemans. He's very sick at this moment.
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York Friggin CityI have a gig in Manhattan TONIGHT!
Playing at the old Savoy, which is not called Port 41 on 41 between 8-9...jazz and blues...will give me some time to stretch between 10-1am...
Thanx for the hospitality to both you and Elizabeth.
I really appreciate it and all the wisdom was great....
here's my new blog...let me know if you want me to edit.
peace, bro...you rock....
Ladies and Worms!
I just flew in from Washington, and boy are my arms tired!
I had a great fortune of being in the presense of the Godfather of Funk, who happens to reside near DC. Washington, DC, that iz.
When one visits the Godfather, one must be ready for wisdom and wit and pleasant company, and if you're not on your game, you will be taken to task.
Also, When one visits the Godfather, one must be ready for non-stop music making...and that's what we did.
Alx = the Godfather of Phunk.
All that I'm legally allowed to say is that we jammed.
When you hear it, you will know it.
Peace/Now!
www.myspace.com/malcolmhuntermusic
Posted by: Not yer Heather, hereSean Lennon wrote something in his MySpace blog about Steely Dan's open letter.
A lot of people commented and he replied:
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Those of you who are making fun of Steely Dan must be too young to realize that Wes is not in their league in the great scheme of things. Also, the degree to which they are being ironic justifies any mal intent they may or may not have. It is just so well written, and so damn funny. I mean, come on, they tell him to send them $400,000 for X-sake!
I am a great fan of Wes, but you have to respect your elders. Anyone who knows anything about music knows the significance of that incredible band. They (Steely Dan TM), know it too. As they should.
Youngsters, don't be so arrogant, respect your elders. If Steely Dan says Wes needs to take a look in the mirror, they most certainly must be right.
Anyway, I don't have anything against Wes, I really don't, but they are right that his movies are less and less original and less successful. That doesn't mean he isn't 'better than other Hollywood films.' Of course he is. And that's why he has the privilege of their letter.
My main motivation in posting this blog was the sheer comedy of it. I love the part about them not digging mandolins! I haven't laughed that hard in years! Check out the TM's and copyright symbols. I think it's genius. I mean in a way, they invented irony in pop music.
Love to everyone!
Sean
Posted by: Dulux Dog, Changing RoomsWow ... that is exciting!!!
Posted by: dull, Listening to Rebecka and Sara sing "Rose Darling" is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Posted by: Fire In The Hole, Listening to Rebecka and Sara sing "Rose Darling" makes me think of Girl Margaret.
;)
Posted by: Flash, In a recent development, Rebecka Törnqvist & Sara Isaksson have been named in a multi-million dollar lawsuit by Steely Dan Enterprises Inc.. Claiming copyright infringement, representatives for SD Enterprises were quoted as saying "We're apalled that our product has been used in this fashion. Not one accordion on the whole cd! We intend to pursue these lawbreakers to the fullest extent of the law.".
Ms. Törnqvist & Isaksson could not be reached for comment.
Posted by: Beerberian, Dandom on TrentClas I can confirm that www.cdon.com deff have it! I couldn't find it on the other site
Posted by: Clas, ---
Anyone who's interested in getting Rebecka Törnqvist & Sara Isaksson's Fire in the Hole CD, try buy it on;
www.skivhugget.com
or
www.cdon.com
If it doesn't work, let me know.
---
Posted by: Random , I thought it sounded like Fagen and Becker.
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYWow, that was a helluvan interview! I don't think I've ever heard Donald laugh so much.
Posted by: FYI, funny stuff @ df.comFYI that new audio feature on df.com is DF interviewing comic writer and performer Tom Schiller (of SNL fame originally). That's Shiller on the right of the subway scene. See also Schiller's earlier contribution to sd.com at
http://www.steelydan.com/schiller1.html
Posted by: Alkali, NYCFunny stuff!
I especially like the breakfast description of “..one egg up and a frank” and of course the lisp.
Fagen ends the dialogue with a cheerful salutation of “Halliburton”!
Posted by: Gnu, New @ df.comNew Feature at DonaldFagen.com
"Exclusive Interview with Dick Cheney"
http://www.donaldfagen.com/newfeature.php
Be certain to have your speakers on.
Posted by: Beerberian, Burton on DandomClas Thanks good buddy, CD ordered @ 18.90 euros delivered ...
Posted by: Jerry Lee, What is it with you Swedes, can't you write your own music?
Posted by: Clas, Beerberian - try
www.cdon.com
I did a search there for Sara and Rebecka's Fire in the Hole, and they got it. Search for the cd-title - Fire in the Hole.
If it doesn't work, email me, my address' above.
Posted by: Beerberian, Dandom on TrentHey USA ... really can't explain why I've not been in here for an eon
Ref "Fire in the hole" I mailed Moule Records and got a prompt reply from a guy called Lars - he directed me to www.skivhugget.se - however I couldn't see it on there either :-( Is it me?
Clas 'you taking orders?
Posted by: me, green roomWaiting in the Green for Chan and Fife
Posted by: Chan, BostonSee you in the green Fife
Posted by: AC/DC, Eraser anyone?
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehanyone up for chat?
Posted by: Gretchen, listening to GauchoGirl Margaret, check out this link for the "Black Wax" dvd from Gil Scott-Heron, it's very cool..
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Wax-Robert-Mugge/dp/B00000G3FC/sr=1-1/qid=1161202508/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8741441-3944851?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
Enjoy!
G
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago, IllinoisBob said
HeyMike- You said
"Agreed, Very nice. Makes me think B and F's music will live on long after we do"...
You mean you didn't figure that one out well before you heard those chicks sing those songs? Shit, we are all in trouble!
Well, I guess I really meant it was comforting. As a lifelong fan, I certainly appreciate the staying power...
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYGretchen I didn't know there was a DVD, now where did I put my Christmas list?
Geoff, I forgot we were talking about The Bottle all those months ago. I can't wait to hear this compilation!
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. BelzoniDo yourself a favor and read that review in Stylus. Wow....just wow. Adds a whole new deminsion to the record. I think I will listen to the whole album with what he was saying in mind....at how dark and depressing it really is. Sometimes, I just snap my fingers to the music and listen to the beauty in the music...but on close inspection, as many of you out there know, it's hardly anything beautiful. The last line in the review is about as good of a quote as one could think up....very spot on!
SFC
Posted by: angel, I must take, what I seeHey England! Good to see you all.
Wow interesting stuff on Fire in the Hole. Rose Darling and Green Earrings, especially.
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. BelzoniHere is the link to that review of Gaucho in Stylus in case anyone is interested.
http://stylusmagazine.com/articles/on_second_thought/steely-dan-gaucho.htm
SFC
Posted by: Bob, HeyMike- You said
"Agreed, Very nice. Makes me think B and F's music will live on long after we do"...
You mean you didn't figure that one out well before you heard those chicks sing those songs? Shit, we are all in trouble!
Posted by: HeyMike, hunched over my laptopn my humble opinion, this is one of the best renditions out there, it's fresh, crisp and their choice of songs, to do them acoustic too, is courageous and it works, eh?
Agreed, Very nice. Makes me think B and F's music will live on long after we do...
Posted by: Beerberian, Burton upon DanCorpsy ... we were sulking - on account of being ignored by the Boys - so much so we've had to organise our own version of the tour !!!
Posted by: Corpsy V, Across the Small Pondnow this is a welcome surprise... wondered where all you Brits went.
Dano and Duncan surface in Yellow from time to time, but Bass and Beers have been painfully absent...
Clas may take orders for the European equippe wanting that Fire in the Hole CD.
http://books.dreambook.com/mizar5/scar.html
Posted by: Beerberian, Burton Upon DanThank you kind sir
a few tickets left ....
Live Music at the M&B Suite, Coors Vistor Centre, Burton on Trent
Saturday Nov 4th – A Pro Tribute Double Header
The Danny Steel Orchestra – Steely Dan Review
The Doobie Others – Doobie Brothers & Michael McDonald spectacular
8pm til late ….
Tickets £10 in advance (£12.50 on the night)
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKBeers, Duncan et al:
I shall be thinking of you all on 4th November - I will be treading the boards at The Witchwood, Ashton Under Lyne on that night.
Hope all goes well.
Posted by: Beerberian, UK dandomPippi ... I quite agree - just got a mail back from Moule with a couple of helpful links in it - No UK release as yet tho :-(
Posted by: Beersisback, Guys ... goood to "see" you
Dunc still on for the 4th? Fireworks expected ;-)
Posted by: duncan, Yo !!!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham. UKBeers:
Hello!!!
I KNEW I was missing something since I moved from laptop to PC !!??!!
Posted by: Pippi has a Scar, earHi Beerberian :-)
yes, you can visit their website http://www.moule.se/ and send an email to infoATmouleDOTse
they will be interviewed for a Swedish network by Per Gunnar who is connected to Radio Dupree, and PGE will translated it into English for the Dandom Digest, Mizar5 and the Radio Dupree blog.
or visit Rebecka in MySpace...
http://www.myspace.com/rebeckatornqvist
in my humble opinion, this is one of the best renditions out there, it's fresh, crisp and their choice of songs, to do them acoustic too, is courageous and it works, eh?
Posted by: Beerberian, UK DandomNow THAT is good (Fire in the Hole) - a little surreal but high quality too - Can it be purchased ?
Posted by: Pippi has a Scar, from Ear 2 Eternityhttp://www.skivfonstret.com/start.html
you can scroll down to listen to some samples from the Fire in the Hole album by Rebecka and Sara singing Walter Becker/Donald Fagen songs.
Posted by: Xanga, on locationfezman, I have that Beck Group concert on bootleg, from 1968. It's a great show but a horrid recording.
Posted by: Gretchen, tryin' to get overGirl M, I have been a fan of Gil's for a long time. One of my favorite songs of his is "Winter in America." While this epitomized the feel of the Nixon administration back in the day, it sounded kind of dated in the 80's and 90's. Now, however, it seems to be a perfect summation of the current political and social climate. Have you seen his dvd? It's interesting.........
G
Posted by: murph, a catThat's what I am, please understand...
Posted by: fezman, bostonThat would be me doc,i lasted about 3 hrs came in twelve hundred fifth lol.My son cashed finihing 73rd and winning six grand,we had a good time but 5 day's there is plenty every 5 yrs....fez
Posted by: Geoff, My Wiggy PadGM:
I'll try not to forget to put that obscure version of "The Bottle" on your special edition I-Pod load
Posted by: steelydoc, philly areaWho was the bluebook person who was going to the World Series of Poker? Did we ever hear the results? Just curious...wonder if you happened to be on ESPN....
Posted by: fezman, bostonJust my memories of small venue viewings,I remember seeing rod stewart with jeff beck at the original Boston Tea Party on e. berkley st.what was unique about this place was that it was a renovated church on the second floor,you walked in and for as long as you were there the strobes were going and the paisley light show was banging off the walls, lol. This was 1967 or 68,it's a little blurry!! lol,also remember seeing the Stones during their first american tour at the old boston garden in 1964 with brian jones,no more than 5000 in attendance as most parents would'nt allow the kids to go lol great show...also attended a show that areosmith held at a bar in 1970 revere beach called the beachball,get this!! 2 two hr. set's,cover at the door...$1.00...yes one dollar...i've seen some great early show's,that's cause i'm older than dirt.....fez
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYOh my dear lord! Bernard Purdie recorded with Gil Scott-Heron back in the early 1970's, I have GOT to find that! I bet that is some outstanding work.
If you haven't listened to Gil I insist you do. Then you'll understand why I'm so excited to find out he recorded with Pretty Purdie.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCDENISE: thanks for the concern, pretty much back to normal, the first couple of days were nightmarish.
Yea, FIFE I guess that subconsciously I ignored the low-life loser moniker and replaced it with romantic nostalgia; sort of like the way one remembers, wishfully, their first love.
You remember it so nice and perfect and think to yourself “what if”
Wherein reality it wasn’t all that great.
I spent much of my adolescence reading the beats. Ferlinghetti, Kerouac, Corso, Burroughs etc.
Their characters lend to feelings of attraction and longing, that counter culture of dark alleys and rolling drunks for spare change to support your habits.
There’s something quixotic about the Dans characters even beyond the fact that they’re well, losers.
Posted by: Denise, HinktownCraig, Rajah has got it absolutely right, IMO, and put it far more eloquently than I ever could.
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA Along the lines of the Gaucho review…losers etc. check out Rajah’s essay on the "Steely Dan Show" at fever dreams (http://cordmeyer.spymac.com) It is always a good read IMO
about SD’s music and the Fans and of course the Blue.
Posted by: Denise, HinktownHey Alkali,
One of the few songs I can think of that does not fit into the mode you mentioned is Almost Gothic. Butt heir songs, like most literature, aren't written about happy, well-adjusted people. Not interesting enough, I guess!
BTW, how are things in your neighborhood? Back to normal after the plane crash? Must have been very unnerving.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHi Steve,
Sorry about the haze that you guys down in Singapore are suffering. It's not too bad over here (at least, not by 1998 standards anyway). Don't worry, the N.E. Monsoon should kick in soon, in the next few days and blow it all down in to the Indian Ocean. No plans for Orchard Road at the moment....but who knows...the plans might change suddenly!! Definitely missing the retail therapy but still recovering financially from the Summer tour.
Nice Gaucho review, although I've never viewed the "Hey 19" guy as a loser. Any 30-odd year old guy who can pull a 19 year old girl has to have something about him, as most 19 year old girls would snub a guy in his 30s!! I know I would have when I was 19!!!! To me, the story is of a guy who has achieved his dream, but having achieved it, realises that it's just not enough to have someone who's gorgeous and sexy around....there has to be a meeting of the minds after the physical stuff!!.........(Hey! Ladies of the Blue! Am I opening a can of worms here with the Blue guys??).
Well, to continue along this theme, I was watching Cilla Black (remember her from the Beatles era??) on Michael Parkinson's chat show on Sunday night. She must be around 60 now and was looking great. Sadly, her husband/manager Bobby had passed away a few years back, but she was saying that she was now getting her life together and had already successfully entered the dating arena again. She put her success down to the fact that "I make 'em laugh"......now guys, when was the last time a 19 year old did that for you??
Peace to all!!
Ann
Posted by: No, UFO toniteno unusual activity in the green tonite,no activity at all
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Posted by: Robert C, Newport, Rhode IslandThat's funny, Alkaline. I had was just reading and writing about CBGB's. Then I saw you did too!!!! Great coincidence.
Posted by: Robert C, Newport, Rhode IslandReading about the closure of CBGB's last night made me think of Pete Fogel's club, Kenny's Castaways. I guess it's more correct to say Pete Fogel is the guy who books the music there. I had never been to CBGB's but was in Kenny's after the Jones Beach show last August. I kept picturing Kenny's when I read about CBGB. Maybe that's not right but that's what came into my head.
At first glance, Kenny's seems like a well-worn place that might play country as well as rock. Then you find out it plays all sorts of music. It sorta feels like a road side bar in some smaller town or even New Orleans. It doesn't necessarily make me think of NYC at first glance. I didn't even realize CBGB's stood for Country, Blue Grass and Blues. I always thought of Talking Heads and Ramones when I heard the letters CBGB.
But once the music plays at Kenny's, it hits you that this place really is full of living history unique to the New York music scene. Those artifacts on the wall aren't there as nick-nax. They are there because it's where it has all happened.
So I imagine CBGB's must have been the same in that respect.
With CBGB''s gone, people should remember there is Kenny's. I may not have gotten to CBGB's but thanks to Pete's place, I got an inkling or what it was like. Next time I'm in New York, I will have to take my friends to Kenny's.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCR.I.P. CBGB’s
On a lighter and more Dangential note..
A friend e-mailed me a review of the “Gaucho” CD that I read and found difficult to ignore.
It was written a couple of months back by Mike Powell of Stylus magazine. although it’s a pretty accurate review of the album, IMO, I found the overall theme that he ascribed to the record to be an understatement of the band to say the least:
“Everyone on Gaucho is a loser. Everyone. The protagonist of the first single, “Hey Nineteen,” is a 30-something trying to pick up a 19-year-old. That in itself isn’t pathetic or grotesque: there’s no suggestion that he’s bald, fat, unattractive, or particularly lecherous..”
and
“.. he, or his type, is driving the car in “Babylon Sisters,” Even in the confines of his convertible, cruising westward, he asks her—right off the bat—to “turn that jungle music down, just until we’re out of town.” Jungle music!.”
and
“6:05 outside the stadium, special delivery for Hoops McCann / Brut and charisma poured from the shadow where he stood.” Once that line hits, well; it’s a line delivered with a disgust that veers so close to complete mockery that you can hear Fagen’s lip curl when he says it..”
He goes on to describe each song and why it’s character is a ‘Loser’
I think the label of ‘Loser’ could describe every single one of their discs; from CBaT to EMG, they’re chock full of losers.
Just go down their song list and more often than not you’ll run into perverts, degenerates, criminals and flat out losers.
Interrupted occasionally by their other musings; world doom (King of the world, Last mall etc) heart break (Reelin, Things I miss etc) and relationships, both natural and perverse (Peg, Pearl, Rikki, Dupree etc)
I’m really not certain if they’ve ever written a happy tune, have they?
“Aja” maybe
Maybe “Chain lightening”
You could argue that Kama has a couple of lighter pieces on it, but as a band I’m really not sure?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, they’re drawn to the cloak-and-dagger themes, that’s fine with me. But, the reviewer limited his label to Gaucho when he could have included their entire discography.
A
Posted by: Len, .Something spooky going on in the chat room last night. Like a UFO sighting.
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, West of HollywoodSteve V -- Will Denny McLaine throw out the first ball? My answer: "you can bet on it." Get it? Funny stuff for a Monday!
Lonnie
Posted by: SteveV, Singapura, lahHay Ann- Brunei..... thanx for tuning in Singapore365! (www.geocities.com/singapore365) the only station with The Fez in heavy rotation!
Hey is that haze coming from your neck of the woods....let me know when you get to Orchard Rd. again....
Hey kids! It all started 34 years ago this week.....CBAT debuted at #149 on the Cashbox LP chart (wouldn't debut on Billboard til Dec.)and the boys from Bard were on their way....
Mets look like they have tied it up in St.Louis......but this does seem like the year of the Tiger! Will Denny MClain throw out the first ball?
Posted by: Blue Note, Pretty good earthquake in Hawaii. Magnitude 6.5, Governor declares it a disaster. Is Becker still living there these days?
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
TEC Awards
Record Production/Album
(Award goes to Recording Engineer, Mixing Engineer, Mixing Facility, Producer, Recording Studio, Mastering Engineer and Mastering Facility.)
Morph The Cat, Donald Fagen, Reprise Records
Recording Engineer: Elliot Scheiner, Brian Montgomery, T. J. Doherty
Mixing Engineer: Elliot Scheiner
Producer: Donald Fagen
Mastering Engineer: Darcy Proper
Mixing Facility: Avatar Studios, NYC
Mastering Facility: Sony Mastering, NYC
Recording Studios: Avatar Studios, Clinton Recording Studios, Sear Sound, NYC, Sugar Sound, Kauai, HI
Congrats Donald!!!!!
Posted by: Gretchen, Well, it seems the technicians were well recognized for "Morph"; let's hope there's a Grammy nomination waiting in the wings for Donald.
http://mixonline.com/news/headline/2006-TEC-Winners-101006/
G
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, "Hoops - Hornsby is cool. Always loved his sound. A few years ago when he was promoting "BIG SWING FACE", he actually did a Q&A and a few tunes at a piano in Borders in an upscale mall in Chestnut Hill, MA."
"BIG SWING FACE" is the title of one of late, great Buddy Rich's albums and tune of the same name.
I wonder if Buddy's daughter Kathy knows about this?
I hope Bruce checked w/ her before using that title.
Posted by: Geoff, EWR
Mark,
All the bands I've seen in small gigs turned out to be crap in the minds/ears of the music buyers of the era. But I'll never forget my days in the old country seeing Thin Lizzy, Be Bop Deluxe, Joe Jackson, and Eric Clapton with Gary Brooker at Coventry Theatre. Now it's a bingo hall. Or it was 19 years ago. Maybe they fixed it back.
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Posted by: Fact of the Matter, The more you post, Third World Man, the more you reinforce what Hoops wrote. It's not all about you but you think it is. And that's good and bad news for you.
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, yeah.......when love was in my life...
Posted by: murph, a catYou'd never believe it, but once there was a time -
Posted by: thirdworldman, home at lastyeah hoops, i got mad at your post. dont blame me for things i am not responsible for. Any clear minded person can see I was not being a jerk to LEN, why am I your personal scapegoat? I try to be as polite as i can when posting, i am truly sorry if i came across as mean or aggressive in my previous posts, and i will be more aware of what you are saying in the future. I admit i do have a side that fights for what I believe to be right, but I have never been a bully, please do not paint me as such. I am not siglehandedly responsible for all that is wrong with the Blue, so do not blame me.
I truly apologize for coming on too strong, but I am not the monster you make me out to be.
PS i put my e-mail address as "FUCK YOU" because I felt you and others were going against me, I do not often post it publicly, and I will not now.
Posted by: clouds, hereAnyone coming into the green for a chat?
Posted by: Sadly For Us, Our Little Talk Is OverHoops wrote:
"A lot of the people who came here and elsewhere in the greater Dandom to share the things we know and love because of their excitement don't come anymore."
Word...
Posted by: life after the tour, Regular Guy, you might have noticed that some people post here regularly, but never get into arguments with the few on this board who intentionally stir things.
If you genuinely like this place, stay. Otherwise, you're being bullied out, right ?
Posted by: Regular, guyWith the burst of SD activity in the last nine months or so, Morph and the tour, I started to read the Bluebook, having just discovered it.
I even posted a few times.
It seemed like it might be a nice way to feel a bit closer to a worldwide SD community.
But the tone of the place in the past few months has flipped into the opposite of an aerial view.I am just about to turn out the lights and leave.
So long.
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Hoops - Hornsby is cool. Always loved his sound. A few years ago when he was promoting "Big Swing Face", he actually did a Q&A and a few tunes at a piano in Borders in an upscale mall in Chestnut Hill, MA.
One other small venue story - Saw the John Entwistle Band in a tent at the Sonoma County Fair in CA back in 1987. There were about 40 people in the tent and there was dust and staw on the floor. Entwistle had a look like "I gotta fire my manager". A year later he reunited with Townsend and Daltrey to do "Tommy" on tour in front of 60,000 people every night.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Bleecker StreetYou know who you are!
Posted by: hoops, Chris--
http://www.bruuuce.com/images/picofweek/evanston.jpg
If you go to this link you will see a photo. The stage has this line of tape running from front to back that goes underneath the piano. From the perspective of the photo, the line tape appears to go through the head of someone in the first row. That's me.
One other cool detail was that everyone who attended the show received a copy of his 5-disc box set.
jim
Posted by: chris, nhhoops - ok, i promise not to flame - who is it you saw last saturday? just curious.
personally, i tend to go to mostly smaller-venue shows. the smaller places usually have the groups i like, and i will outright avoid staduim shows as i know the sound will suck. i would love to see dave matthews band in a small venue. i think they're a great group that often gets a bad rep due to their fanbase, and it'd be nice to see them in a small rock club where the crowd doesn't get deafeningly loud whenever dave mumbles something (this really happens, half the time he isn't even speaking in WORDS, just noises, because he knows the crowd will respond no matter what).
but I get the feeling i'm a long way away from ever seeing that happen.
Posted by: hoops, TF III:
You said: "What the hell do any of you know about these topics?"
Actually some of these people do know and want to share with us. Then they basically get doubted to death (here or in similar forums) and don't come back. They simply want to give us a taste and people are all over them when they are not in position to explain more. That opportunity is a whole plus of the anon feature.
Every now and then, someone will email me "I have this tid bit -- should I say something?" I respond that given how they can't reveal who they are, they better not say anything. I tell them people will doubt--or worse, mock--what is actually very reliable info and it will be frustrating. One scenario was several years ago. Someone close to a SD project wanted to clear up some misinfo in a debate. That person kindly explained what was going on in a way that didn't betray confidences but also didn't want to say who they specifically were. This kind person got mocked by both parties. That person didn't come back. And the person was proved correct several months later.
I empathize that it can be frustrating to decide who post tips that are legit or not. But my complaint is more of how people respond. Most of the 'tude by some falls flat.
As for the Grateful Dead person, hey who completely remembers a Dead show accurately? Yet, according to the official Grateful Dead site's datebase (including shows) at http://www.dead.net/index2.php, the only time the GD played Alaska was June 19-21, 1980 at West High School, in Anchorage. (Why didn't those debating check dead.net earlier?)
Here's a link to a photo of the school:
http://www.asdk12.org/schooldetails.asp?ID=850
In the foreground of the photo is what appears to be the Auditorium--circa 2005 or so. At least out front, there's an auditorium. Hopefully that puts that to rest.
Posted by: joeNC, steelydon: tabshoward wright has some plenty tasty ones, along with discussions. you'll find almost gothic, and he's recently added lunch with gina.
http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/tab.html
drill around from the main page and you'll find his essay on the mu chord and other topics. he also does joni tabs, too.
well, they're not really tabs as such, but chord charts with spellings and fingerings. take his advice on the voicings and you'll be mighty close.
enjoy
Posted by: heymike, chgoDon and Wally need to kick one of these out- Porcaro on drums would be a cool start...
Posted by: HeyMIke, This is fun!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naFCdBYexB0
Posted by: SteelyDon, Throw out the hardwareDoes anybody know a good website where they have good/different Steely Dan guitar tabs. All of the websites I find have the same songs by the same transcriptors. I really wanted to find a tab for "Book of Liars" and maybe songs from EMG or TVN
Posted by: Mike, &Tristan Fabriani- Please stop talking about Rajah like that.
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, III, Jane StreetTo those jerks who cannot seem to be collegial and who have a desperate need (like "thirdworldman" and so many others)to demonstrate their "knowledge" of all things in music. Funny how so many experts purport to "know" about Carlock playing for WB on a tour that may never happen, the Dead playing high schools, etc. What the hell do any of you know about these topics. I love how y'all talk as if you know something when you know jack shit. How about we keep it "real," keep it civil, and hey . . . maybe keep it steely or steely tangential! There's an idea. TGIF!
Posted by: angel, Madeleine Peyroux’s song "I'm Alright".
Anyone else here feel the closeness of this song to lyrics in "Book of Liars" like these:
"Santa Claus came in late last night
Drunk on Christmas wine
Fell down hard in the driveway"
Then there is the title itself. Can't you just hear Walter saying at more concerts that I want to mention. "Well Alright! "
Not like I am saying these are his words, but it feels a bit like they might be. :-)
--
My small venue story is that I saw Blue Oyster Cult in the 80's play at this tiny theatre in Six Flags Magic Mountain. I had an annual pass that year and figured what the heck, they were a local band for this Long Islander.
Funny part of that evening was that I came upon someone who I worked with at the time. He is a Director who was checking the band out, before directing their concert at the Santa Monica Civic. So he asks me why I am there and my comment was that they were an "Island band". He looked at me like I had gone over the deep end. So the next day, I explained that I was from Long Island, NY and suddenly the light went on in his head. :-)
Loved "Don't Fear the Reaper". They did a kick a** job of it that night.
Posted by: murph, a catMy unsolicited $.02 re: passworded boards/open forums
Open forums invite crap deposits b/c there's no accountability in anonymity, but you often get closer to the bone in terms of truthfulness of expression because of the absence of self-consciousness. Passworded chats weed out the raffish, but also thwart freer expression due to the inevitable pressure of comforming to the group. Cliques form and outsiders may feel not feel comfortable posting.
So all you coconuts who want to f- this board and drive it into password purgatory had better shape up or suffer possible karmic or other repercussions.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCBeen listening to Madeleine Peyroux’s new CD, nice.
If you like Nora Jones (sp) then you’ll dig this, I think.
Anyway, Walter Becker co-wrote the song “I’m all right”
Here are the lyrics:
“He made me laugh
He made me cry
He smoked his doggies in bed
But I'm all right
I'm all right
I've been lonely before
I asked the boy for a few kind words
He gave me a novel instead
But I'm all right
I'm all right
I've been lonely before
It's fine, it's OK
It was wrong either way
I just wanted to say
There isn't much fun when you're drinking wine
He got drunk, he fell down
He threw a few of my things around
But I'm all right
I'm all right
I've been lonely before
I'd like to believe healthy cigarettes
But I have to conceive that wherever you are
You're still driving my car
Sticks and stones break my bones
But tears don't leave any scars
So I'm all alright
I'm all alright
I've been lonely before
Mmm...
I'm all alright
I'm all alright
I'm all alright
Yeah
He played solitaire in bed
Used to blow bubbles in bed
He sang Christmas songs in bed”
Posted by: Doc Mu, READ THIS: http://desicritics.org/2006/10/13/033035.php
Posted by: hoops, "thirdworldman" I had planned to reply to your most recent post by email and take this off board; but when I clicked on your name for the email address, I found you had written "FUCK YOU!!" Thanks for demonstrating my earlier point. That's the sorta thing I'm talking about. One thing not to want to leave an email but another thing when you put that.
I didn't start hitting Dead shows until circa 1983-1986, right before Jerry's coma and then during the "In The Darkhead" phase. So I can't tell first hand about the shows from the 70s. It could be argued that the response the other gave was too in your face. I do know the person who posted that also contacted me privately, their assertion, now knowing who it is, seems at least genuine. And I don't know about your school, but my high school had a stage at the end of the gym. It was set up as an Auditorium with removable seating on certain days and a gym on other days. Wouldn't surprise me if it was none of these scenarios.
I invite you to email me privately, heck email me a number and I will even call.
My point isn't let's not say anything when someone might be having mis-recollections. M y point is why do people have to be so confrontational and in your face or engage in one-upmanship when they do question or point such things out. (?)
Some people have brought up the login and password thing and I will address that later.
jim
Posted by: thirdworldman, busting balls and kicking dogs"My only gripe about the "Dead playing a gym" thread is that someone--I really don't recall who--over agressively questioned and doubted the original poster's wonderful story" Hoops
Is this really overly aggresive questioning?? (posted below) my intent was to be conversational, like by asking the nature of the gig maybe it would have started a positive interaction. He, however blew up and got defensive. I didn't call him a liar and was not rude, if you actually read closely you will see that I was always polite to him, saying things like "you were right" and "it must have been a cool school". If there was a way to represent tonal inflections of the voice in print alot of things would sound much different, as it is hard to tell without them the true meaning of what you type. The real reason anything got ugly was because he made up the part about playing in a gym, it was an auditorium. If you are content with some burnout's imaginary posts-, i mean if you do not care what people write, if it's all about the delivery and not about the content, as long as eveyone is always nice, then by all means -keep on strokin', it's your gig.
original reply to Len from 3WM
"Hey Len, just curious, why would the Greatful Dead play at a high school gymnasium in 77 or 78? its not like they couldn't fill large venues at that time, I know because I saw them in 77 at the Providence Civic Center...some sort of fund raiser perhaps?"
I am now greatfully shovelling earth upon this thread's grave...
Posted by: SS, HKLate entries on the artists-in-small-venues thread.
Bryan Adams at a lunchtime sockhop (1977) in my highschool gym as part of the band Sweeney Todd. He also worked at the same Vancouver- area restaurant where I had my first job (washing dishes), but before me. If you want a very worthwhile limewire download, stick in his name and the song 'Let Me Take You Dancing.' A disco hit with his voice speeded up !
Larry Coryell in the 90s...before a crowd of about 40 people in the former Jazz Club in Hong Kong.
Jerry Doucette had a decent 1977 debut album (Mama Let Him Play) and opened for a lot of U.S. top 40 acts before drifting away. He had certainly drifted by the time I saw him in a little hotel bar (me and about 10 others) in 1983 in the small town of Trail, B.C. I'd seen him earlier the same day in the laundromat.
Trumpet player John Faddis with Renee Rosnes on piano at the Landmark Jazz Bar in Vancouver in the mid-80s.
Tom Petty in front of about 2,500 (1979) just before he got very big, backed by the Fabulous Poodles.
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Posted by: hoops, Yeah! I knew it was you or Rajah--I figured as much because who else is more Italian here?!? And I thought it was funny! and I responded in reverse because the translation back was funny too! THANK YOU! Too bad someone else had to respond like they did rather than enjoy with us!
I bet if Fagen was ever to post here and most anywhere in Dandom, his item would be viewed with skepticism and scrutiny reserved for a court trial.
Posted by: Gretchen, (The real Pippi)OK, it was ME who posted the screwed up italian message......I guess there are still some bugs in babelfish that need to be worked out. Or is it me? Sorry... but the english translation of my blunder is hilarious, don't you think, and it still has some meaning, lol!
G
Posted by: hoops, I sent out a Dandom Digest earlier this evening covering Oct 1-12 You should have it within 12 hours. Please let me know if you didn't get it.
This time around we a review of what's new at the SD, WB and DF websites, some thoughts about what should open a future SD tour set list, a Steely Dan cover band that will play Cork, Ireland, and a recap of Sean Ono Lennon's thoughts on Steely Dan, among other things.
jimn
Posted by: hoops, Polyglot/Sherpa;
A couple of things:
I was the one who posted the Babel Fish translation (if you click you will see that babel fish is the source listing) I don't read Italian so I plugged it it. I know what it said and thought it was hilarious to post as is.
As far as the Grateful Dead thread not being Dangential, I disagree. For starters, this place has its roots in the GD Usenet newsgroup. A lot of Dead Heads are Danfans as well. I've talked about that off and on. Again, it's not that certain topic are off limits, it's the degree to which they are discussed. My only gripe about the "Dead playing a gym" thread is that someone--I really don't recall who--over agressively questioned and doubted the original poster's wonderful story. I was glad to hear about the Dead playing the gym and was also reminded of the stories I've heard of Donald Fagen and NY Rock and Soul Revue playing some gym out of Long Island, assuming I'm remembering the story correctly in the first place. But the last phrase in the previous sentence is so suggestive of what's really wrong here and in the greater Dandom. You see, seems like most any forum in Danland these days if dominated by people who will pick apart anything just to prove superiority and/or to have a dog to kick.
A lot of the people who came here and elsewhere in the greater Dandom to share the things we know and love because of their excitement don't come anymore.
Myself, I was reading about people's small venue experiences last week. Couldn't think of any that would interest people here, or at least any I don't think I wouldn't get flamed for.
Then last Saturday, right before I got sick, at the last minute, I attended a very small show by a well know pop artist with some great technical skill in jazz circles. It was in a small venue of maybe 1500 and, simply by luck, I definitely had the best seat in the house. I was about 15' away from this pianist and had the only seat in the first row with a clear view to watch his fingers the whole time. I felt embarrassed at points because after every song, the player would directly look at me and we were exchanging brief comments, expressions, etc. So I come back from the show, thinking I would tell about it; But as I'm about to write, I could anticipate people nit picking. I started bracing for the flames. I mean I'd rather keep the story to myself and enjoy it rather than be dissed.
I"m to the point, and so are many others whose posts I would enjoy, where I feel like posting my thoughts is simply going to be setting myself up for a headache. Even the people who complain about others come on and slam. Who wants to set themselves up for criticism when they have something otherwise joyous to share? I mean the whole reason I posted the funny babel fish translation anonymously was because I figured I would get ripped.
I'm not saying people shouldn't disagree. But they should do so respectfully. And I am saying it's not what's said as to how it is said.
I know some say there should be passwords, etc so people are accountable. The problem is that, as in the past, we lose a huge chunck of posters, not to mention people who forget their password and don't want to go through the trouble of resetting it. I'm guilty of the same for another SD forum. I forget the password and forget about posting.
If you are coming here because you are interested in something you found out or what to share the things you know and love with those who might appreciate it, then you are at the right place. If you are here to criticize, to prove superiority, to anonymously bust others' balls, then this is the wrong place.
When myself, my friends and even some family members feel uncomfortable posting here or hanging out in chat when I myself run these forums then there is something wrong. I don't think such places can sustain themselves.
One idea that keeps coming to me is putting the blue on hiatus for a few weeks and focussing more on the Digest again. If you feel disenfranchised here, do consider being part of the Digest and contributing to it.
Anyhow, that's my open book thoughts on things right now. One thing is for certain, Steely Dan is my favorite band by far for so many reasons. That won't change but I really want to consider the form of things so some people who act as if they are more important don't interfere with that.
Thanks to many of you who are great supporters.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Karma/Ray:
Nice to know you lived in the 'hood too. Lincoln and Armitage was our family's old home ground for decades. I'll agree the building Tower is in is a mixed bag--nice compared to a lot of buildings say in many parts of the city; not as nice compared to a lot of buildings in the Lincoln Park area, especially on Lincoln Park West.
Tower didn't kill off Rose. When Rose Records (a local and downstate Illinois chain of well over a dozen stores) went out of business circa 1994, there was only one Tower Records. What did kill off Rose was Best Buy and Circuit City's entry into the Chicago area, selling new release, top of the chart CDs at loss leader prices. (One inde owner told me as much as he hates Britney Spears, her albums allow him to afford his jazz dept.) .Also, Rose expanded over agressively-- they opened a bunch of stores and closed them in only a few years including a misplaced entry into running the record departments in Monkey Ward stores. One Tower store didn't do it. And in fact, Tower tried to run some of the Rose stores for a while of which the Wabash store was the sole remainder. And while by default, I am not a fan of chains, Tower was a good one and they did a better job than Rose overall.
As for the other businesses, Armanetti's was local chain that was way over priced. Some of those shops relocated in the area; others like the Jewel didn't want to stick around with a dinky store.
Still think Tower's closing is a big loss. Not even Rose's Jazz and Blues department at their flagship matched Tower's.
jim
Posted by: Polyglot, zero degrees longitude/latitude3rd world man and others
Languages have figures of speech and idiom. You show a bit of ignorance yourselves by being too literal.
Roughly translated:
"Who gives a shit (cares) what the Grateful Dead (dead men)did 30 years ago? It is off topic, not Dangential"
That Eye-talian was right on the money.
Posted by: Instant Karma, Lincoln Park Stylehoops-
I used to live on the 21st floor at 2144 Lincoln Park West, right
across from the Linclon Park Zoo. Many found memories, but the
opening of Tower Records and those dreadful condos, forced out my FAVORITE deli, the Belden Deli. The arrival of the Tower Superstore
pushed out one of the best little wine and specialty cheese & liquor stores in my neighborhood, Armenetti's, my local quaint Jewel Grocery, with the best butcher this side of the Stockyards! and my local dry cleaners, Belden Dry Cleaners. It is also widely know that Tower's invasion into Chicagoland, forced out the family owned Rose Records chain. It put a smile on my face to hear Tower is kapput. What goes around comes around. Good riddance Tower Records.
Posted by: suedave, the great Pacific NorthwestHi there SS - good to see you again. Crank it up!
Mark in Boston - that reminds me of when I picked up 2VN the evening before it officially went on sale - I guess it pays to be a frequent customer of my local independent music store. Anyway I drove home and sat in the driveway listening to it, cause I knew if I went in the house I would get interrupted.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Tower MemoriesSome Tower locations use to have giant renderings of album covers on the side of the store. I was visiting my sister in San Francisco in the summer of 1976. Tower had a huge Royal Scam cover on the side of the building. It looked great from the street but when you got up close it looked like a cheap paint by numbers.
Tower also kept the tradition of midnight releases. I remember driving to Tower in Burlington, MA at midnight on June 10, 2003 to pick up Everything Must Go and Fountains of Wayne's Welcome Interstate Managers. Took the long way home so I could crank both CDs in the car.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ...and I too enjoy the actual browsing experience, the idea that because of their overall selection your eye might catch a glimpse of an item of which you were previously unaware. Plus I liked their listening stations where you could check out new releases 10 to a station and there might be about 10 of those throughout the store. I actually bought 2 or 3 CDs by artists I'd never heard of before (and that I would STILL be unaware of today if not for Tower) just from checking them out that way.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJWow. I didn't know that, Jim. Thanks for the heads up.
I just bought a new CD release at the Cherry Hill, NJ, store last week, one that wasn't available at any of the other usual chain stores. Tower wasn't a place I'd go to a lot or buy much from, but once in a while I'd go there for something that I knew was unlikely to be at Best Buy or Circuit City or any of the numerous little CD shops, figuring that "if anyone's gonna have it, Tower will."
Yes, I too will definitely miss Tower. They also had about the best local DVD selection. Their prices weren't necessarily the best (usually list except for special sales), but the selection was always great, the best for any of the major outlets for new releases (not used items).
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Music fans mourn sale of Tower Records
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8KN8VKG0.htm
Posted by: hoops, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am going to miss Tower Records.
Sure, back in 1980, there was that problem they had with MCA meaning "Gaucho" didn't make it to their racks in a timely fashion (just wanted to get that bit of trivia out of the way).
The Chicago flagship store, in Lincoln Park on Clark at Belden (with parking validation-yay!) was my one of my favorite record stores in town, or anywhere for that matter. I wasn't so nuts about the suburban stores but they had great selection. The relatively quaint and tiny store on South Wabash in the Loop was a reminder of the great local chain, Rose Records.
Sure, these days you can order any unusual title on line and have it delivered in a day or two (surely what contributed to their closing, along with downloads), but I always loved how you could go there and browse the wide collections of titles, including more than a few I'd forgotten about or some rare import I didn't know existed. And I loved how their music rooms separated the sounds from one area to another, to get the right ambience for the genre of music being shopped for. And even though they were a chain, I felt as if they were a chain that was in business because they loved music!
To be sure there's Virgin Megastore—here in Chicago on the Mag Mile--which is like it in some ways, but it's not quite the same.
Anyhow, Tower will be missed by this Music fan.
Tower Records, R.I.P.
jim
Posted by: thirdworldman, ciao bellaPosted by: Ciao Italia, three coins in a fountain
chi si preoccupa se i morti riconoscenti giocassero una certa High School 30 anni fa? Questo oggetto è giocato fuori.
translated to English:
"who takes care itself if the recognizing dead men played one ago sure High School 30 years? This object is played outside."
Err, yes! sure, BRILLIANT! :)
In the immortal words of P. Collin's/Genesis "no reply at all"
just as I thought...not much to say. But then again, how could you, when it's clearly an indefensible posture...
Posted by: Pippi eating, Swedish Ginger CookiesGrin, yes, why not?
The album will be released on October 16th.
And I wouldn't call it a tribute.
Do we say 'tribute' to every song sung, performed etc if it's written for the purpose of being sung, performed etc??? If an artists records "My Funny Valentine", would you call it a tribute to the songwriters? This is about Donald Fagen and Walter Becker as storytellers and songwriters. It's what's reflected in their Catalyst renditions. These 2 Swedish vocalists/musicians return to the essence of the songs. That's not what some of the tribute albums out there have been capable of.
And the songs they recorded, not your standard 'tribute' list, is it.............
I suddenly hear Peter Q's 'Stepford Dan' reference lol.
Posted by: Another SD tribute, that's 15 in the last 2 yearsPippi has a Scar - What are we suppose to do? Stare at the picture?
Posted by: heymike, chgoI actually worked with a guy 20 years ago who knew that Lydia song. We had someone in our office named Lydia. Thanks for jogging a rock in my head!
Posted by: Pippi has a Scar, from Ear to Eternityhttp://www.moule.se/
Check out these two brave Swedish damsels changing the course of Steely Dan history.
Tracks on their upcoming CD:
1. Rose darling
2. Barrytown
3. Gaucho
4. Green earrings
5. Your gold teeth II
6. Brooklyn (owes the charmer under me)
7. Don't take me alive
8. Josie
9. Do it again
10. Fire in the hole
11. Pearl of the quarter
12. Midnite cruiser
Posted by: Speaking of which, Anyone know???????Pam...That's a good one.
It reminds me of a debate last week I was having. I say the Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges never appeared in a movie together. My friend said they were in a movie together. Who's right?????
Did any of the Marx Bros or Three Stooges have tattoos?
Posted by: Pam, I Am - on the couchOK, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the Dan (as far as I know), but when somebody emailed me this Groucho Marx song today, I immediately thought of them:
Oh Lydia, oh Lydia, say, have you met Lydia?
Lydia The Tattooed Lady.
She has eyes that folks adore so,
and a torso even more so.
Lydia, oh Lydia, that encyclo-pidia.
Oh Lydia The Queen of Tattoo.
On her back is The Battle of Waterloo.
Beside it, The Wreck of the Hesperus too.
And proudly above waves the red, white, and blue.
You can learn a lot from Lydia!
La-la-la...la-la-la.
La-la-la...la-la-la.
When her robe is unfurled she will show you the world,
if you step up and tell her where.
For a dime you can see Kankakee or Paree,
or Washington crossing The Delaware.
La-la-la...la-la-la.
La-la-la...la-la-la.
Oh Lydia, oh Lydia, say, have you met Lydia?
Lydia The Tattooed Lady.
When her muscles start relaxin',
up the hill comes Andrew Jackson.
Lydia, oh Lydia, that encyclo-pidia.
Oh Lydia The Queen of them all.
For two bits she will do a mazurka in jazz,
with a view of Niagara that nobody has.
And on a clear day you can see Alcatraz.
You can learn a lot from Lydia!
Posted by: hoops, In a lot of ways yes, except in name. OK. Sorta.
A Steely Dan tour was announced and tickets started being sold in March 1993. "Kamakiriad" came out at the end of May 1993 and the tour started in mid-August 1993. "Kamakiriad" t-shirts were among the items sold at the 1993 Steely Dan dates. Selections from Kama and "The Nightfly" were performed, as were songs Walter was working on for his yet-to-be-released 11TOW. Remember that "Kamakiriad" was a DF solo album with Walter very much involved as producer and as a player. The situation was different with MTC (and "The Nightfly") on which WB does not appear. Of course, there was no "Nightfly" tour.
jim
Posted by: Blue Note, Craig, I don't thinks so. At least not a formalized tour.
Posted by: Craig B., AV CAQuestion: Did DF tour when Kama came out?
Thanks for your time
Posted by: Alkali, NYCnicely put.
Posted by: Hello Italy, , tre monete nella fontanawho takes care itself if the recognizing dead men played one ago sure High School 30 years? This object Ë played outside.
Posted by: Alkali, busy upper east sideHey kids,
Madelaine Peyroux's CD "Half the perfect world" comes out today.
this is the one that Becker had a hand in writing at least one of the tracks on, i'm gonna go out, fight the death scene crowds, luckless pedestrians and rubber neckers to see if i can find it at Borders.
here's a review i found on it:
"Madeleine Peyroux is either an old soul or was “born with it” (depending on one's theory about the flashpoint of artistry); that became apparent in 1996, with the release of her debut album, Dreamland, a remarkably knowing work in which the then-22-year-old singer brought commensurate insightfulness to material associated with Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, and Patsy Cline. Her decision to cover Edith Piaf's “La Vie en Rose” reflected the decade that the Georgia-born Peyroux had spent living in Paris, from ages 13 to 22. In the ten years since then, she has brought a wealth of life experience to her natural affinities, first manifested on the long-in-coming sophomore album Careless Love and brought to fruition on Peyroux's new album Half the Perfect World.
Half the Perfect World, once again impeccably produced by Larry Klein, serves as both complement and counterpoint to its predecessor, 2004's Careless Love, which drew raves across the board and sold more than a million copies worldwide. “This record is different from Careless Love in the sense that there's a unison of joy on it,” Peyroux says of the new album. “It's pushing certain boundaries for me.”
Whereas much of her earlier work drew on writers and singers from the first half of the twentieth century, the bulk of Half the Perfect World focuses on artists and writers from the lifetime of the 32-year-old artist, including Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, Fred Neil and Joni Mitchell. Peyroux's knack for choosing the perfect song is again key to the album's emotional impact, but her continued growth as a songwriter is equally important, and the new album's four original tunes more than hold their own, raising the groove quotient in the process. Peyroux, Larry Klein and Steely Dan's Walter Becker collaborated to write the album's opening track, the wonderfully catchy “I'm All Right.” The album's other original songs reunite the writing team of Peyroux, Jesse Harris and Larry Klein (who penned the single “Don't Wait Too Long” on Careless Love). Rounding out the new album are Peyroux's interpretations of standards from Johnny Mercer, Charlie Chaplin and Serge Gainsbourg."
Posted by: Ciao Italia, three coins in a fountainchi si preoccupa se i morti riconoscenti giocassero una certa High School 30 anni fa? Questo oggetto è giocato fuori.
Posted by: thirdworldman, the nervous hospital, umhmm
Ok, maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, maybe I was a trifle rude in my lambasting your comments, however, I don't relish being the object of your condescending pseudo intellectual faux logic. There's an old saying; "you don't know what you don't know" which applies here in that while you appear to have a high opinion of yourself and your supposed logical prowess, you aren't aware of how you come across to others while you are espousing this boorish, disdainful attitude. I had finally had enough, and I know from talking to others here on the Blue that I am not alone in this viewpoint. It is a silly, trivial thing that probably doen't warrant any further discussion, but I stand firm, there is no "logical" and obvious reasoning for playing at a school in a state with lenient marijana laws. How is the school better- suited because of the afore-mentioned laws than an auditorium across town? Please give a detailed and "logical" answer instead of merely attempting to make me out as some sort of cretin while dodging the question. BTW, based on the deft use of this tactic, have you ever considered running for public office?
PS.
Babel Fish Translation
Nudo com’un verme
In English from Italian:
Knot com' a worm
HUH?
Hmmm, is this just another thing I don't understand?
"I'll be in the shed, looking at the floor, Um-hmm" Karl Childers, from Slingblade
PS
Posted by: Alkali, busy upper east sideLast night was a nightmare, we didn’t get into our apartment until 10.
needless to say i'm working from home.
Yea, you can expect to be inundated by tasteless jokes in the face of a tragedy like this one, especially on the web.
It’s sad and pathetic.
Speaking of sad and pathetic..
It’s both pathetic and sad when someone gets onto this board and posts the fact that they have difficulty putting 2 and 2 together.
I simply stated that the Dead who are known to have a stoner following would find it convenient to play inside of a school zone where cannabis laws are lenient.
Instead, I’m met with a logically challenged poster boy who exposes himself naked of cognition.
I expected more from a Dan fan.
We have a saying in Italian “Nudo com’un verme”
Posted by: thirdworldman, really impressed with your logicPosted by: Alkali, NYC
Why would the Dead play a high school gig?
They were already established in the 70’s with a fervent following, right?
So why would they play a high school auditorium?
Well, let’s look at it logically..
What state had/has the most relaxed weed laws?
Hmmm, let me think…
what the fuck is the "logical" connection between playing a high school and most relaxed weed laws? More pretentious, supercillious blather from the same blowhards, gee I'm impressed!
Posted by: Gretchen, Tragedy and Time, congrats for having seventh grade humor that's about as tasteful as dirty dishwater. It's OK to bash a sports team, but not on an occasion such as this.
G
Posted by: NYB, Okay, here's a direct link to that Cory Lidle clip...
http://wfan.com/chrismikeaudio/local_audioclip_282180715.html
Posted by: Tragedy + Time, Bialystock FarmsThat was the biggest explosion the Yankee's had all post season.
Posted by: NYB, If you're interested, you can listen to the whole argumentative interview between Mike Francesa, Chris Russo, and Cory Lidle here...
http://www.wfan.com/
Go to "Mike and The Mad Dog" and click "October 9th - Chris and Mike talked to Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle".
Posted by: NYB, Anybody else in the New York metro area listen to WFAN (660AM) from time to time? I was listening to an interview the other day that Mike Francesa and Chris Russo had with Corey Lidle. They were pretty hard on the guy for statements he made after the Yankees loss. They were accusing him of basically suggesting that it was all Joe Torre's fault. It was one of the strangest interviews I've ever listened to. Lidle seemed very strange in the way that he answered the questions and said his words were being "twisted". Even Russo said "That was the strangest interview we've ever had" at the end of it. Wonder if Lidle was having some emotional issues today?
Posted by: Boston Rag, Cory Lidle RIPWow! I'm shocked. 2nd Yankee to go out this way. Thurmon Munson, of course, in 1979. Thank God his wife and kid took a commercial flight.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: chris, nhsad story but certainly not a terrorist attack. can't stand this country's alarmist newsmedia. buncha tabloid bullshit if you ask me.
Posted by: Crash Watcher, .I think he hit Mona's floor.
Posted by: me, hereBlessed Yankee
High above Manhattan town
Fans like us who watch the sky
Posted by: heymike, chgo"Might not be a terrorist attack but so much for preparedness huh? I realize it was a small plane but even a small plane can carry a significant amount of high explosives too. Amazing how they just can't get the skys over our cities secured. The incompetence is pretty scary."
WFT- was NORAD supposed to shot a Yankees pitcher out of the sky?
Point is-go and get the bad guys where the bad guys are--and--dont let the bad guys in. Yankee pitchers will continue to make mistakes. Tragic things happen. Try to deal.
Posted by: NYB, Might not be a terrorist attack but so much for preparedness huh? I realize it was a small plane but even a small plane can carry a significant amount of high explosives too. Amazing how they just can't get the skys over our cities secured. The incompetence is pretty scary.
Posted by: joeNC, AP's latest writethrunote timestamp at end.
BC-High-Rise Plane Crash, 8th Ld,0179
URGENT
Police say small plane crashes into high-rise in New York City; 2 reported killed
Eds: UPDATES with Pentagon saying fighter jets are scrambled over U.S. cities as a precaution.
AP Photos NY198, 124-126
AP Graphic NYC PLANE CRASH
By COLLEEN LONG
Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) – A small plane crashed into a 50-story condominium tower Wednesday on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, raining flaming debris onto the sidewalks below and rattling New Yorkers’ nerves five years after the Sept. 11 attack. Police said at least two people were killed.
The FBI and the Homeland Security Department said there was no evidence it was a terrorist attack. “The initial indication is that there is a terrible accident,” Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said. Nevertheless, fighter jets were scrambled over U.S. cities as a precaution, the Pentagon said.
AP-ES-10-11-06 1559EDT
Posted by: Alkali, NYCthats the Bel air apartments!
it's a stones throw away from my apartment.
i heard no injuries, yet.
it's gonna be a mess tonight.
Posted by: me, here09/11/01
10/11/06
11/11/11 ?
Posted by: Bob, NYCGretchen - What it looks like is a small helicopter that was in the area that accidentally hit an apartment building.
Posted by: Gretchen, watching the news........Are all the Dandom New Yorkers OK? Pretty scary stuff on the news right now. And today's date is 10/11. Let's hope this isn't what it looks like....
G
Posted by: Boston Rag, Bliss BandAlan - I have both Bliss Band albums on vinyl from back in the 70s.
Jeff Baxter produced the first album "Dinner With Raoul". And you're right, that album is very Dannish. Paul Bliss was also in a band called Dog Soldier and one of his bandmates in Bliss Band is the nephew of Ray Davies. I haven't listened to those in about 20 years. Are they on CD?
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Alkali, NYCBOD COWBOY:
you win!
congratulations my Dan friend.
Posted by: Bodacious Cowboy, The dude ranch above the seaOk, here are my "off the top of my head" answers and I could very easily be confused about a couple of them, but I'm reasonably confident...
1)Pepe -- Sign In Stranger
2)Miguel -- Glamour Profession
3)Richard -- Kings
4)Johnny -- Third World Man
5)Babs -- Haitian Divorce (I drew the longest blank on this one for some reason)
6)Jack -- Jack of Speed (or) Do It Again
7)Louise -- Pearl of the Quarter
8)Hoops -- Glamour Profession
9)John -- Kings
10)Carlo -- Throw Back the Little Ones
11)Mr. LaPage -- Everyone's Gone to the Movies
12)Cathy -- Your Gold Teeth
13)Michael -- Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Posted by: Blue Note, I don't know about that. Have you seen Brooke Burke lately?
Posted by: Alkali, NYCWhy would the Dead play a high school gig?
They were already established in the 70’s with a fervent following, right?
So why would they play a high school auditorium?
Well, let’s look at it logically..
What state had/has the most relaxed weed laws?
Hmmm, let me think…
Speaking of the Dead..
I’m going to see Rat dog on the 9th next month at the Mohegan sun
Hoo-Hoo!
Spark one up!!
Speaking of sparking one up..
A clear indication that my buddy Jeff is bored and/or high at work is when he e-mails me Steely trivia.
This morning he sent me this one with the phrase ‘The name game’ in the subject line.
I thought I’d pass it to the Blue for your amusement.
The object is to match the name with the song.
(he’s left out the obvious ones i.e. “Rikki”, “Charlie”, “Rose”, “Dr. Wu”, “Charlemagne”, “Peg”, “Josie”, “Abbie”, “Janie”, “Dupree”, “Pixi” and “Gina”)
Enjoy:
1)Pepe
2)Miguel
3)Richard
4)Johnny
5)Babs
6)Jack
7)Louise
8)Hoops
9)John
10)Carlo
11)Mr. LaPage
12)Cathy
13)Michael
The first one to match the names with the correct song first wins!
What do you win?
Why the contest of course.
Posted by: Alan, EnglandI am a great fan of Steely Dan and love their music.
Recently I was listening to the Pandora internet radio station (www.pandora.com) and set myself up a Steely Dan radio station.
The station also plays similar artists to Steely Dan and played songs by the Bliss Band, from albums Neon Smiles and Dinner with Raoul.
These were released back in the 70s, and I had never heard of them, but they were AMAZINGLY like Steely Dan, nearest I had ever heard.
In fact at first I though it was Steely Dan under assumed names.
Try it, go to Pandora and set up a Bliss Band station.
Posted by: thirdworldman, terrapin stationDate: Fri, October 06, 2006, 20:57:51 ET
Posted by: Len,
The Grateful Dead in a high school gym in Anchorage,Alaska 1978, or was it '77?
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Len, you were right, they did of course play in Alaska, and at a High school no less, but it was in fact a full sized (capacity just under 2000), accoustically engineered auditorium, not a gymnasium as you would of had us believe. And you were right too about the fact that there were few other places for them to play at the time. Must have been a cool school!
An alumni of West High writes:
"West High has a phenomenal auditorium. I spent many an hour there after school. I am still in the theatre world and realizing how fortunate we were to have all that it had. Dressing rooms, a “Green Room”, a balcony, lowering pit,... We took it so for granted. When I left, I thought all schools and theatres would be like West High’s, boy was I mistaken."
Another adds:
"I grew up across the street from West High School, one of the 3 best things about the school is the auditorium—a great theater where talent shows, plays and concerts occured. Growing up I remember acts like Ozzie Ozbourne and Deep Purple coming through town and playing at the high school, my only regret is that "Steely Dan" never played there."
Posted by: JH, Hello,
Something for the blue this week...
At df.com- new pics on the no biz side and a funny audio clip on the show biz side!
Posted by: DWB, herehow about an upcoming album from Michael Leonhart, French musician Daniel Yvinek and Donald Fagen singing & playing piano on four songs? should be due this fall or winter...
Posted by: Craig B, AV CAHey Astute and Eraser
Slamming Hoops and Rajah that's real grown up.
Those guys bring alot to the Blue and Iam grateful for what they do
Posted by: Len , Liar, Liar ?Thirdworldman - Here you go:
Grateful Dead 6/20/80
West High Auditorium
Anchorage, Alaska
Sorry, I was off by two years. But then again, if you did as much acid as I did back in those days you wouldn't remember either.
Posted by: thirdworldman, the masonic temple of funnLen, I hardly called you a liar, nor was I questioning your veracity; as I stated, I was "just curious as to why the Greatful Dead would play a high school gymnasium in 77 or 78" and even offered the posible explanation of "a fundraiser, perhaps". Had I wanted to call you a liar, I would have. Based upon your reaction,I believe I know all I need to about it. peace.
Posted by: Stew Rodert, oo lallarod stewart ha.
the discerning dan fan is listening to tribeca's incident at the metropolis.
not perfect but good tunes.
Good Night Everyone!!!
Stew
PS. YANKEES Suck, BIG TIME.
Posted by: "Alvin Cork", NYCHey movie buffs! I've posted a short one over at lexi says:
http://donaldfagen.com/lexisays.php
Respectfully,
Alvin
Posted by: Len, Thirdworldman - You ask "why would the Grateful Dead play at a high school gymnasium in 77 or 78"?
Are you calling mre a liar?
I have no idea. You would have to ask Jerry Garcia that question, but he's dead. Maybe because Anchorage, Alaska has no real venues. I don't know . All I do know was that I was there, and it was pretty cool (and cold)
Posted by: Where is Rajah, was at bowl On thursday the 5th at the end of the first set at the Roger Waters concert.They played Sheep. They floated a big pig around the bowl as the song was playing. At the end they let go of it. And it floated off. Rajah started chasing it. The last anyone saw of him he was heading south down the 101 fwy trying to catch it.Thats why on fridays show they didnt release the pig. Rajah wasnt back yet.
Posted by: W1P, The BowlBackstage with Rog and Raj at the Hollywood Bowl on Friday night was most excellent! Thanks for the hookup, Rog!
Posted by: private dick, for hireW1P-you wrote :
Posted by: W1P, Bel Air
Roger, what's funny is how you remember us (me and Larry) running into you at the Hotel Bel Air in 1999! Great call!
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Date: Wed, October 04, 2006, 23:04:32 ET
Posted by: Roger Waters, Darkside of Bel Air
W1P-
Sunday is the night my man. They will have worked all the bugs
out of that cantankerous Hollywood Bowl sound system by then!;-)
Have a great time man. I know I will.
I thought it would be cool if they showed "The Wizard of Oz" on the
big screens!!!!!
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Hello, just exactly how stupid do you think the people of the bue are? More importantly, how pathetic of a loser are you to need to post somthing like this? You are a sad case, son.
If your "friend" Roger waters knows you, then why didnt he hook you up? (tix,good seats, backstage, swag, hangin out afterwards)
Lets follow your posts through logically; you and "larry" ran into him at a hotel. So you must have introduced yourself as "W1P" right?, how else would he know it was you here on the blue.
Listen you really shouldn't embarass yourself more by lyeing to cover your story, just stop, its pathetic!
Posted by: thirdworldman, searchin high and lowPS where is "Rajah"???
Posted by: thirdworldman, truckin off to buffaloHey Len, just curious, why would the Greatful Dead play at a high school gymnasium in 77 or 78? its not like they couldn't fill large venues at that time, I know because I saw them in 77 at the Providence Civic Center...some sort of fund raiser perhaps?
To all:regardless of the name he uses, just dont reply to the NYB TROLL! ignore it and it may go away, dont give it the satisfaction of responding.
Posted by: Roger Waters, Dark Side of Bel AirW1P-
I TOLD you Sunday was the night to go out here in Hollywood.
My good friend Nick Mason joined me (Rocking that kit& all the fills) for the ENTIRE second set. All of Dark Side and the encores!!!!!!
That is about as close to a Pink Floyd reunion you are going to get
this side of the Atlantic.
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYOh no, as if there wasn't enough yelling in screaming in my house over the Yankees last night now it's here on the Blue too! Is no where safe? Tough being the only person in your house (besides the cats) who don't watch sporting events.
Posted by: Len, NYC baby!Boston Rag - You say the rumor in Boston is a trade: Manny for ARod straight up?
Never going to happen.
Lets go Mets!
Posted by: The Ghost of Ty Cobb, hereChoker Yankees had no ally
When those felines came to bat
Sunk their claws in Derek Jeter
Bring on the Mets says Morph the Cat
Posted by: Boston Rag, ,Doc Mu - Phil Hartman?? I know he did the graphic art work for a couple of America and Poco albums, I've never heard he was involved with Aja. What's your source of information? Isn't the Aja cover a photo?
Gretchen - the rumor in Boston is a trade: Manny for ARod straight up. Yikes!
Go Pats!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: murph, a catFlash back to cool summer nights,
(Freddie can we cut to the chase?)
Posted by: DWB, herere: Madeleine Peyroux.
there's a video available at her website, the I'm Allright song, co-penned by Walter Becker.
in the MEDIA section.
http://www.madeleinepeyroux.com
Posted by: Doc Mu, Scam? Really? Phil Hartman's Aja cover is the work of art...
Posted by: me, hereIs it worth ripping CD's to my Ipod at 320 vs the standard 120 kbps? I have a 60 GB and not a whole lot of CDs to put on it, so space isn't too much of an issue.
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlantaNew pics in Don's gallery, one with him and Daniel Jobim.
Posted by: Gretchen, with the Demon Puppy of Playa del reyI don't want to talk about it......(sigh)
G
Posted by: Morph, comes to batThhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees Lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYI've been spending the day cleaning out my closet and stumbled upon an old edition of Entertainment Weekly featuring the 100 Greatest Moments in Rock. I flipped through and found a pullout containing the 100 Greatest Album Covers and lo and behold there's The Royal Scam! Made cleaning the closet worth it just to find that. Oh, and by the way, my heart warmed to see Joe Jackson's Look Sharp! on there as well.
Posted by: Johnny Wadd, indonesiaGina,
Slow down. I'll tell you when.
Love,
Johnny
Posted by: Gina, Sun MountainRod Stewart. He recorded an album with jazz standards... haven't heard it however.
Gretchen, when scrollreading i saw your message about Madeleine Peyroux and wanted to show you something about her, you can email me at the address above :-)
And amazing isn't it? Two FEMALE vocalists "doing" Dan, that's probably the most refreshing part of it, plus it's going to be sober they say, acoustic, so very curious how it might sound and how/why they started this project! If all goes well, i think PGE will talk to them next week already, so we'll learn more in the next couple of weeks.
Ben, i couldn't help but think about these things, how come there are tribute albums coming out like soldiers and citizens are dying in IraQ... but to me it seems there's a difference in plain TRIBUTE and what these Swedish artists do... Some play the music close to what it is, which is indeed paying tribute to the Steely Dan sound. But to see DF and WB as songwriters, lyricists and composers and from that perspective adapt some of the songs they've written, i tend to think this reaches a little if not a lot deeper. It's what Fred Sturm did with his Big Band arrangements. It's what BwaySteve does with his acoustic versions. They all show the essence of the songs, in different or new angles. One has to really be musically gifted to pull that off... I know Rebecka's music and she and Sara worked together, so...
http://www.jazzecho.de/page_10860.jsp
if you scroll down, you can listen to samples of Sara and Anders Widmark, a Swedish jazzpianist...
Posted by: W1P, Santa BarbaraIs there anything better than Jeff Beck's Truth album with Rod on vocals? It was all downhill from there
Posted by: KC, Girl Margaret - That's FABULOUS!
Posted by: hoops, I was a teenager when Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night" was a huge hit. I thought it was a damn sexy song at the time. Great sax on it! A tad campy by my standards for 2006 but hey...
Rod's got an interesting voice so I could see where some would be attracted to it. I also enjoy Rod's singing when the material and band is well matched. I'm thinking his 60s blues stuff, early 70s stuff, some Faces, his vocals on Jeff Beck's verison of "People Get Ready" from "Flash." I wish he'd stop covering Van Morrison's songs. (Compare Van's original and Rod's versions of "Have I Told You Lately" and you know what I am talking about.) Yet, for so long he's simply been a pop interpreter at best and a cover singer at worst. I have a greatest hits compilation (including some of the Faces stuff and "Tonight's the Night": I am satisfied with that and have no urge to buy more Rod Stewart albums.
Looking at the songs Rod has covered on his 70s album, I'd say they are pretty good fits for him and his current audience. I not sure a Steely Dan song would fit him, but one that comes to mind is maybe "Any Major Dude": with Rod's rasp that might be interesting.
jim
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYRod Stewart doing "classics" of the 70's? I think I just retasted my breakfast.
You know, I'm not even gonna play like I don't dig Rod and his work from 30 years back (there's some good stuff to be had there!) but c'mon now! Those great American songbook songs of his just don't work for me. Oy.
Posted by: Little Wild One, home 2I always thought Rod Stewart was highly overrated. Funny though, I recall a disco somewhere in eastern West Virginia, 'bout 1978..Rod's "Do Ya think I'm Sexy" spun frequently along with "Peg."
But thanks for that link, me. It reminded me that I want to pick up Bat Out of Hell III. I know, it must be the drama queen in me. There's just something about Jim Steinman's writing that I find irresistible and, to keep this somewhat tangential, BOH III is listed as having contributions from Todd Rundgren, as well.
Posted by: Gretchen, homeme, do we really want him defacing the music of SD? Yikes....
G
Posted by: me, herehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HEVYR2/ref=pd_kar_gw_1/002-4171686-1625625?ie=UTF8
How could this eefus do an album of 70's staples and not include the Dan?
Posted by: Art Pepper, Fond memories of small venue shows...
Roy Buchanan at The Crossroads Cafe in Arlington Va. 1970
MC5 at The Hullabaloo Club Hampton Va. 1968
Edgar Winter's White Trash with Rick Derringer at VCU Gym 1971
(Exact years become hazy at this point)
Joe Jackson at the Mosque Theatre Richmond Va.
Stevie Ray Vaughan at The Mosque
Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker at The Flood Zone, Richmond, Va
(incredible performance)
Sonny Rollins at Festival Park in Richmond
John Mayall at Festival Park in Richmond (Twice)
Jeff Beck at The Boathouse in Norfolk
(The stage was about three and a half feet high and I was standing about twelve feet away from Jeff. Amazing.)
And of course the DF show at the Warner Theatre in D.C. was the
most recent. By the way, I just checked out the schedule for upcoming shows at The Warner. Some good stuff coming up in the next few months including Steve Winwood, Brian Wilson, Chick Corea... and two Beatle tribute shows, one of which is The Fab Faux. This is Will Lee and Jimmy Vivino et al doing Beatle covers. I'm told this is a really great show. Might have to catch that one.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoGirl Margaret: Nice one with Keith!!! Didn't he ask where your friend was?? Y'know, the old blonde from Borneo??? No? Ah well!!
Nice Steely Moment this week. When I met Keith, I asked him to autograph the back of my concert ticket and write: "to Yuda", which he obliged (he IS a gent, there is no doubt). Yuda is one of my students, who finished school in the Summer, so I only hooked up with him this week when he called in to see us. He has a passion for drumming and as an assignment, he'd done some research about Keith. When I handed over the autographed ticket to him, his smile spread from ear-to-ear!! It was like I'd just handed him a cheque for a million bucks!! He was a very happy young man. I then gave him the details of Keith's Asian tour and suggested that he and his Dad hop over to Bangkok to see Keith. He then said that his Dad had actually given him 2 Steely Dan CDs from his collection (there IS someone else in Blessed Borneo who has heard of my heroes!!)..... and rumour has it that Dad is closely related to our Big Boss here....well, whatever next?? Private performances by our boys, who knows?? (we've already had many big names here, eg. Elton John, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Sting, M. Jackson, Whitney Houston, ..........etc.. giving private conterts at birthday parties.....could be our boys next to get the invitation!! I live in hope!).
Interesting article from a British newspaper, about our boys:
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/story/0,,1889487,00.html#article_continue
Peace to all!!
Ann
Posted by: 2dgs, eastern shoreNewark: The idiom is "shot gun" not stage coach. Your English is getting better, darling. Also, you can't CLAIM star f**ker status, but we still love you anyway. Hugs, 2dgs.
Posted by: the Roving Eye, green roomAnyone care to join us in the Green for a chat?
Posted by: Newark, Back in the good ole daysSmall venues? Good time? Hmmmm. A long time ago, perhaps very late 70s, everyone went to see Rick Danko and Paul Butterfield, (who played there TWICE) at the fabulous Finnegan's Rainbow, in Ocean City, MD. Those guys were unreal! stop.
Anyway, the drummer had taken a liking toward my best friend, who was a F-O-X--a very foxy girl. As a result, most everyone in our gang went to the afterparty at the Fenwick Inn, where the whole floor rocked and an awful lot of illegal fun stuff was going on. But I noticed the musicians would not do anything in front of strangers, and I noticed they definitely would not offer anything to girls--these were smart and well-seasoned travelers. The drummer and Monica disappeared somewhere. [uh, clear throat]. (Someone mentioned the Doobies had occupied that same floor earlier two weeks earlier and a huge party was had then too--I think it was in the fall.)
Butterfield was extremely private--he hung around the party briefly, but he was shuffled off to a card game or something. Fun-loving Rick mingled around the party, as a few of us sort of followed him about dancing and carrying on. I felt I had special status for I was "waiting" around, if you get my drift. Eventually, Rick said he wanted to take a ride. I was the only person around with wheels, besides the bus driver, so I offered--"Let's go!" Before we took off, he packed a few cigs with hash, and, well, he didn't share. haha. So off we went on a tour downtown and on out of the town, doing an hour loop around. Can you believe that the man with the stage fright was actually riding stage-coach in MY stupid turquoise junker, which had an oversized swan hood ornament! OMG.
I can't star fuker status, cuz, well, he was a perfect gentleman and was obviously happily married, and he made mention of that. He was sweet and funny, and god bless him.
Gads, over the years I practically forgot about that night 'cept once--when The Last Waltz was shown on IFC . I told my friends (we were watching it together), "I gave Rick Danko a ride in my car--geez it had an awful swan hood ornament!"
Here's one of the songs Danko sang that night and check out the pics of him and Butterfield from that era--late 70s early 80s--scroll down. http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/stage_fright.html
http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/danko_photos.html
Oh, BTW, here's a "93 pic. of Donald I came across--surreal. Lots of pics at that site.
http://gapd.com/MusicPhotosDF/DonaldFagen.html
Let the n'or easter rage on. thx for your indulgence, Newark
Posted by: Len, The Grateful Dead in a high school gym in Anchorage,Alaska 1978, or was it '77?
Posted by: Doc Mu, DF IS Ray Charles in the '06 pic
Joey: Grammy nominations are usualy beginning of December for the year Oct 1 - Sept 31.
YGK: Can't give enough propos to the Morph. Best collection of Dan-esque tunes since The Nightfly. The title track builds to the solo, and that's the weakest track. What I Do, Brite Nightgown, Great Pagoda of Funn, Security Joan, The Night Belongs to Mona, and Mary Shut the Garden Door find Dr. FAgen re-envigorated artistically. Truly amazing.
Most grat pop artists have a career closer to Michael McDonald. He probably had 30 outstanding pop songs in him from 1976-1985 and then the well kinda dries up. Takin' it to the Streets, It Keeps You Runnin', Here to Love You, Made that Way, There's a Light, Real Love, What a Fool Believes, Minute by Minute, How Do Those Fools Survive,, etc. are impressive pop songs and very, very good recordings, but how can you come even close to such a creative peak almost 30 years later? The Nightfly was released 24 years ago, and Morph is almost there. Wow.
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, ba ba booeyoh......"in" not "on". My bad, as you were.
Posted by: Greg Moonspank, nyBe sure to remind me on October 73rd so I dont forget!
Posted by: bluprintblu, my florida roomCool small venues...Little feat at the Fox Venice in Oct. 74. Hoy, hoy!
Posted by: Chan, BostonSome small venue gems in my past include:
Talking Heads at the Fine Art Center at Umass around 1979
Elvis Costello at the Student Union Ballroom Umass I think in 1978
U2 at Bowditch Auditorium Umass in I believe 1980
The Cars at the Blue Wall Umass in 1979
Beaver Brown with John Cafferty at the Blue Wall Umass in 1978
J Geils Band at the Fine Art Center at Umass in 1979
Allman Brothers at Spring Concert Umass in 1979
Greatful Dead with Bonnie Raitt at Spring Concert Umass in 1978
Numerous Hampton Beach Casino Shows in the late 70's and early 80's
Southside Johnny, Jethro Tull, Pat Benatar, Hall and Oates, Charlie Daniels
DONALD FAGEN BAND AT THE OPERA HOUSE IN 2006
Chan
Posted by: W1P, Memory LaneThe scene: The dorms at Sacaramento State University, October 1978. I had lived and died with the Dodgers since 1967 (having just become a baseball fan at age 7 and barely missing the 1996 team). I am surrounded by Giants fans (who lived to be anti-Dodgers since at that point SF had been pathetic for a number of years). All we did was watch and argue baseball. So this girl, let's call her Deena, lives down the hall and mentions not word one about baseball until the World Series. Then, as the ultimate "7th game fan," she's running up and down the halls screaming about how great the Yankees are (with Reggie ripping us off with his stupid hip -- aka interference). Had she been in the coversations about baseball (like my then girlfriend the A's fan), I would have respected her right to celebrate.
Posted by: Joey, " In my humble opinion, Donald Fagen's "Morph the Cat" should be nominated for Album of the Year.
If you haven't picked this up, call your rep, or have your assistant go the store, or even better, peruse the aisles of your local disc shop and purchase this fine, 9-track work from the Singer/Songwriter/Keyboard Man Donald Fagen. "
Amen !!!
" Morph the Cat " is flawless and DEFINITELY should be nominated ( .. and Win ?!?! ) for Album of the Year .
Er , ..... when are the nominations released ?!?!
Developing ..................
JJJJJJJJJACKY ! ™
Posted by: steelydoc, philly areaI once went to my local Rite Aid pharmacy...they were playing DF's I.G.Y (the real deal, not Muzak)...and then I went two doors down to Staples, and they were playing I.G.Y again...nuts!!!
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYHoops, the very image in my head of you sitting in Home Depot, waiting to hear Steely Dan made me laugh a lot longer than I care to admit. I myself have had those "muzak moments" and if you wanna talk muzak let's not forget those grand employers of mine: HomeGoods! It's a muzak parade in there and I'm the girl with the baton. About half the muzak is good, some of it is downright awful (how much Phil Collins can one person stomach?). But we do play some SD, DF (although not nearly enough of either if you ask me - the only DF is IGY), Michael McDonald, Doobies, Todd Rundgren (or as I call him, Toddy Run) all that soft rock of the seventies that makes me melt. But I do perk up whenever I hear my favorite tunes, except I don't want to buy anything while I'm working, but I do have that incentive to work a little harder.
I've seen some good shows at Playland (big amusement park in Westchester). Pat Benatar, The Turtles, Lou Christie. Ok, I didn't really want to see Lou Christie, but my mom did and dragged me along. As far as indoor small venues I've seen some good stuff at B.B. Kings: Dr. John, Human League, Brother's Johnson. And then there's the Paramount in Peekskill which isn't TOO small but isn't huge either, it's an old movie house.
Last night's show at 55 Bar with Krantz and Carlock was simply fabulous. Bassist Anthony Jackson joined them and wow! what a trio! I enjoyed AJ, I've never heard him before and he's pretty tight with that bass. Krantz never fails to mesmerize me with his playing and Carlock...well there are no words. Except for the fact that it was roughly 150 degrees in the bar the show was just phenomenal. As Krantz said "Is it hot in here or is it just me?"
Carlock was just as nice as could be, too. He actually remembered me from Jones Beach - you can only imagine the look on my face when, before I said a word, he walked over to me, looked at me, and said "I remember you!"
Posted by: Gretchen, seeking zenFor small venues, I'd have to say my favorite was Mose Alison at the Jazz Bakery in Culver City in the spring of 05. He's delightful, and I enjoyed that even more than the lengthy Metheny show I saw around the same time. Mose can definitely connect with an audience, I can picture Donald doing that type of show many years from now.
W1P, yes, the Yankees played a weak game yesterday, a win would have made me more secure since the "Big Unit" is pitching today and I remember his horrific post season outings of the past.......I hope to eat those words about Johnson but until then I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Gina, thanks for that information, I love the reference to Pippi, which I think is the best children's story in existence! Being sort of a Scandophile, I hope one day to see your beautiful country as well as Norway and Iceland.
G
Posted by: YourGoldKeith, New York Friggin CityATTENTION: All NARAS and RIAA Members, point players/writers, etc.
In my humble opinion, Donald Fagen's "Morph the Cat" should be nominated for Album of the Year.
If you haven't picked this up, call your rep, or have your assistant go the store, or even better, peruse the aisles of your local disc shop and purchase this fine, 9-track work from the Singer/Songwriter/Keyboard Man Donald Fagen.
H-Gang - a song about "the ultimate five-chord band" was the first released single, but every single track on this 3rd solo record (preceded by "Nightfly" and "Kamakiriad") is a gem.
What I Do is an homage to the great Ray Charles, as Dr. Fagen chats with his ghost.
Brite Nitegown is the funkiest, as W.C. Fields references Death.
There's nothing wrong with this record. Or to word it better, everything is right with this record.
So go to your store and buy 1 - or more - of Donald Fagen's, "Morph the Cat"!
Posted by: Johnny Wadd, hollywoodGina,
I may never walk again.
Love,
Johnny
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Posted by: Alkali, NYCHmm, small venues…
Let’s see I did see somebody play at the Towne Crier, I just can’t remember who.
That’s the place that has all of the pictures of performers who’ve played there on the right side wall when you first walk in, right?
One of the most memorable small venue concerts I’ve ever been to has to be Dylan in D.C. at the Warner Theater, wow! I still get goose bumps.
Growing up I’ve been to approximately a million concerts at the Ridgefield playhouse, some of the more memorable ones include Bob Weir, Leon Russell and Little feat.
This place has a long history and was restored in 2000.
I love it there; the acoustics are right on the money.
My parents have told us stories about some of their concerts there like Joan Baez and Peter Yarrow (yes, the pedophile)
Tommy Makems pub is always a fun time not necessarily for the music but for the ambience.
When I was at my cousins house once we got stoned and watched “In the spotlight with Steely Dan” in his home theater, it felt like I was right there, does that count?
Posted by: Boston Rag, It's Only Rock n' RollSaw U2 at the Paradise in Boston shortly after “Boy” was released. Tickets were $4.50.
Best show? In 1973, when I was 16, I saw Led Zeppelin at the Boston Garden. That was a wild show. The heat in the Garden, the weed wafting all around and the music blasting – that’s rock ‘n roll! Of course, shortly after that I heard Countdown to Ecstasy and went, “zep schmep”.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Hollywood Bowl, the bus is the only way to go Thanks for info on the hollywood bowl W1P.Will use it again tonite. The show was great.
Posted by: Big Fan, at work I just saw Al Stewart at the Towne Crier Cafe in Pawling, NY last Sunday. Maybe 100 people in a small dinner theater. He was cool, signed autographs, talked to the fans.
Posted by: heymike, chgoAllman Bros at the Pier Daytona Beach
Styx at He and She, Point Loomis shopping Ctr - Milwaukee
Poi Dog Pondering, I think it was Crowbar Chicago, Dennis Rodman got on stage
a little off topic--Saw Billy Joel open for Sha Na Na-front row Milwaukee Arena
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Posted by: Great Artists,, Small VenuesHERE GOES
TIFFANY-PINES MALL, Pine Bluff, Arkansas
THREE DOG NIGHT-HAMMERJACKS, Baltimore, MD
THE DIVINYLS-HAMMERJACKS, Baltimore, MD
THE HOOTERS-94th AERO SQUADRON, Philadelphia, PA
GINO VANELLI-EATON CENTRE, Montreal, P.Q.
BLUE OYSTER CULT-??? Troy, NY
RICK DERRINGER-THE VILLAGE, Lancaster, PA
CHRISSY HYNDE-SHAKEY SHANTY, Shaker Heights, OH
EDDIE RABBIT-FLORA-BAMA LOUNGE, near Mobile, AL
JOHN KAY & STEPPENWOLF-BRASSY'S LOUNGE, Cocoa Beach, FL
Posted by: laughingpines, lalalandMark in Boston-
Damn man. You have been to some great intimate gigs! First Donald
at a high school and now Denny Dias at a pub!
Okay here's 2 new topics:
"What great artists (other than Donald or Walter) have you seen in a smaller intimate setting?"
(- But if someone wants to fill us in on Walter at Slims......!)
Here's mine:
Rolling Stones at the Double Door Chicago
Tom Waits at the Get Me High Lounge Chicago
Herb Alpert at the Vibrato Grill Bel-Air
The Cowsills at Disneyland on the pneumatic Tomorrowland Terrace Stage that raised up out of the ground! Age 6
Frank Sinatra and Don Rickles at a small hotel ballroom Palm Springs
(The stage riser was barely higher than our chairs! And I was in the front row.)
"What was the greatest show (other than Donald and Walter) you ever saw?"
The Rat Pack - Frank, Dino and Sammy at the Chicago Theatre
G. Mar-
We need a report of the Krantz & Carlock show!
Posted by: jazzman4567, Lee RitenourPam,
Lee Ritenour or "Captain Fingers" is a CA based guitarist who some say is similar to Larry Carlton. I disagree with that assessment. He was a sought after session player in the 70's and in the 90's was one of the founding members of Fourplay, along with Bob James, Nathan East and Harvey Mason, although he left and was replaced by Larry Carlton !
He is influenced by Wes Montgomery, among others, and in fact one of his albums is called Wes, a tribute album. Here he is with Larry Carlton at the Newport Jazz Festival in 1995. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-aFimZomB0
Colin
Posted by: JH, Doesn't DF look like a geek back in the day?
Posted by: Little Wild One, OktoberfestingAhh yes, and I believe Pete Fogel should get the credit for at least one of those new shots...
Scranton, I remember it well.
I always linger to the sounds of SD on the muzak, too. And my kids look at me like it's some kinda divine thing that has just occurred. I've even held up the cell phone before as evidence of Dan Karma.
And that insider on the muzak thing was named Tracy. I wonder where she is now...
So, Geoff, mate, what up with Sad Design?
Posted by: JH, Old DF, I kind of like it???
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Take care and let the spirit guide you/ artist
Posted by: Pam, AgainOh, and I was watching this silly movie "Love Potion Number 9" last night and one scene was underscored by Donald's "Ruby Baby", just the music, none of the vocal. Pretty dang cool, but I was dying to hear him sing!
Posted by: Pam, I AmIm watching "Legends of Jazz" with Lee Ritenour, George Duke & Marcus Miller, hosted by Ramsey Lewis. They chat and then each person picks a tune that they all jam on. When Lee was introduced, the host mentioned that he played with Steely Dan, among others. I'm really enjoying his style of playing - who can help me out with some info on these people? George Duke picked "It's On", which was great too, but Im really digging this Ritenour guy.
Posted by: Bob, Nice pictures on Fagen's site. Love the one with him McDonald and Becker from this years tour! Cool shot!
Where was that pictures of Dr. John taken?
Posted by: angel, Those pictures are nice! :-)
Posted by: Stunblin' in, Photoshoppin'Donald's Gallery updated with three blurry pics:
http://donaldfagen.com/gallery_nobiz.php#
Posted by: lovethisgig, the smoky lobbyThe new cashier looks like Jill St. John.
Can that be right?
:-)
Posted by: hoops, zippin' by againThree of my more amusing SD muzak experiences (or at least amusing in my mind):
1) Circa 1994, shopping in a Jewel-Osco buying canned tomato sauce and "Rose Darling" comes on. Did the other customers know what was being sung about?
2) 2003: Before EMG was even released, one of the first times I heard "Blues Beach" outside of a music download service like iTunes was in Home Depot.
Used to be I'd listen to a radio hoping to hear a new Steely Dan release. Now I run to Home Depot and hang around the nail aisle or sit in the garden furniture shop waiting for it to come on. ;-)
3) 2003: I've never heard "Green Book" on the radio but I have heard it on the muzak at Boston Market. Surreal in that I was listening to a song about virtual, interactive sex while in a restaurant surrounded by about three families with high-chairs at one or two of the other tables, their children eating kids' meals.
Posted by: Jenny, at the local CVSI for one am much more likely to stay for a longer period of time in the store if I like the muzak. In fact, it was hard to drag me out of the local Rite Aid, b/c they ALWAYS had on the Dan, McD, Chris Cross, James Taylor. All the stuff I grew up listening to. So I'd go in there, and I'd be smiling, in a good mood, ready to BUY! And then another song would come on.... Oh, well, lets just linger a little longer.... Oh! look at that box of Cheerios! Now why didn't I think to get that earlier. SEE?
Posted by: Man with no face, AltamiraThe syndicated Dan Patrick/ESPN sports talk radio show uses the middle part of My Old School as bumper music.
I have always wondered why I can't go to the grocery store or drugstore without hearing a Dan or Fagen composition on the Muzak. They can't just be randomly selecting somebody else's favorite song, they must do scientific studies of how it effects buying behavior. So why would these songs, and most of the ones I hear would be considered "deep cuts", not the familiar melodies of the big hits, make people buy a few more high margin items than they normally would?
Posted by: lovethisgig, when the sidewalks are safe for the little guyAlkali,
Non-threatening on the first few listens.
Pop subversives! That's why we love'em so.
One reason anyway.
lovethisgig
Posted by: hoops, on the quickI haven't seen a recent survey but back maybe 10 -12 years ago, there were stats posted to the Dandom Digest that ranked the top 5 artists in terms of frequency of being played as store muzak. It went like this:
1) Beatles
2) Elton John
3) Steely Dan
4/5) Fleetwood Mac & Billy Joel (tie)
What's most facinating is that Steely Dan at that point had far fewer albums than these other artists and also had sold fewer albums. Those participating in the thread came to the conclusion that programming muzak was probably the day job for some talented but struggling musicians. Considering how Steely Dan works on so many levels--including what on the surface ***seems*** like soothing elevator muzk--I'm sure these up and coming muzak programmers/musicians got their jollies slipping in the tasty licks and surbversive lyrics of our favorite duo.
More recently ( I just can't say how recently, just maybe 2-3 years ago ) someone at one of the "muzak" companies actually posted to the blue that indeed SD was the fav among programmers.
Posted by: W1P, LAI recommend either (1) that you "park and ride" at the Universal City station lot (the one on Cahuenga -- to the southwest of where Cahuenga meets Campo de Cahuenga) and taking the bus from there or (2) if you are "physically fit" take the Metro redline to Hollywood/Highland and walk to the Bowl from there. The third option of driving into Hollywood is not recommended procedure
Posted by: Jenny, Gloomy Fredneck, MD Just arrived in my in-box, for those who might be interested...
New York, NY — Artists Against Hunger & Poverty, a program of <http://www.worldhungeryear.org>WHY (World Hunger Year), will benefit from a special, one night only performance by Grammy-Award winning artist/songwriter Michael McDonald on Nov. 2, 2006 at the Frederick P. Rose Hall, home of Jazz at Lincoln Center on Broadway at 60th Street, New York City.
McDonald has made available to <http://www.worldhungeryear.org>WHY supporters tickets and VIP packages for the concert. VIP tickets are available for $500 and $350 and include premiere seating, entry to the VIP artist reception, an autographed flyer and a collectible laminate. Tickets only are available for $150 and $125. There will be an auction of autographed memorabilia including a white Yamaha AES1500 electric guitar nicknamed “White Fang” by McDonald that will be accompanied by a hand painted water color print of the instrument. Artist-activist Jen Chapin, who is Chair of WHY’s Board of Directors, will be the opening act.
Tickets go on sale October 6 at Jazz at Lincoln Center Box Office, Broadway at 60th Street, Ground Floor. The box office is open Monday-Saturday 10am-6pm, Sunday noon-6pm . Tickets can also be purchased by calling CenterCharge 212-721-6500 or online at <http://www.jalc.org/>www.jalc.org. Part of the ticket donation is tax deductible.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCUnfortunately I seem to hear more and more Dan tunes within the confines of malls, drug stores and the dreaded elevator shaft.
Maybe it’s because, as a fan, I’m more in tune to their sound and not unlike a shark who hones in on vibrations of struggle and distress, I can sense these particular tunes from the parking lot.
Shamefully I’m forced to admit the obvious; some of their tunes fit right into the “Muzak” envelope.
It’s that ‘smooth-jazz’, calming and non- threatening background music that I’m talking about. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s better than the usual shit that you associate with shopping; it’s just a bit shinier.
Let’s see here…
“Change of the guard”
“Pearl of the quarter”
“Night x Night”
“Any major dude”
“Any world”
“Hey 19”
“Third world man”
“Dupree”
“Last Mall”
“Blues beach”
Just to name a few off the top of my head.
Notice that the only records that don’t contain this muzak are Scam and Aja, two of my three favorites by them.
Notice also that the aforementioned tunes are among my least favorite.
Coincidence?
Not.
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehAbout playing Dan in malls, restaurants, pharmacies, etc....
The boys are making very good money from that venture I'm sure. I always love it when I go shopping and on pops a Steely Dan or Fagan tune, makes my day.
The best cover I've heard:
All Along the Watchtower Neil Young and Chrissie Hynde. This was the encore tune at the 2003 Music in the Head tour that I went to in Saratoga Springs NY. It rocked and lasted for at least 20 minutes!
Posted by: Boston Rag, Plymouth RockedFunny someone should say Denny Dias looks like the CEO of a software company. He was one of the top guys at Clipper Software, an 80s software house that was big for a while.
About 7 or 8 years ago, Denny did a club gig in Plymouth, MA that was organized by Dinky Dawson. Dinky was producing a CD for a local gal, Lisa Jason and Denny played on the CD. I’ve seen it on ebay recently if anyone is interested. It’s called “Envision”.
The show was pretty cool, the house band that Denny played with did a few Steely Dan covers and Denny did note-for-note perfect recreations of his solos. The Pub was packed with people screaming for more Denny. Of course, Pete and Shari drove up from NYC for the show. Has the guy ever missed anything Steely Dan related?
Mark in Boston
Posted by: bus shuttle in and out, or park yourselfAnyone who has hollywood bowel. Thanks
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYLonnie, I mentioned some time ago that I think Denny as a guitarist on tour sometime in the future would be simply fabulous. I've never seen Denny live, personally, only old footage of the original lineup and man, that cat is awesome! If I saw him onstage you could knock me over with a feather.
Jenny, there's a "Peak" station here in NY that was playing "Don't Take Me Alive" this afternoon. Coincidence? Hmm...
Razor Boy is a magnificent song. In my early days of my third college I tried to teach myself to play it during music theory class and was never really successful.
I was a fan of the rearrangement of Any World. I can really dig Jeff Young's vocals. Always thought it a damn shame they dropped it.
I never heard The Last Mall... anywhere actually, but I once herad Jack of Speed in a Walmart and I thought that was rather odd. Kept wanting to scream at the Walmart associates anytime they paged each other during the song: "HAVE YOU NO RESPECT?!" But I didn't.
Posted by: W1P, The JungleCraig B: Correction, Gretchen, one of your NY team's opponents are running up each other's asses handing you an undeserved victory. War Jeff Kent, War JD Drew. Penny for your thoughts?
Posted by: Craig B, AV CAGretchen
Your New York teams are kicking ass...so far
Long Live Steely Dan
Posted by: angel, Last Call Big Fan: I think that very phenomenon might be what prompted them to write "The Last Mall". Snarky lyrics that can't be heard in that setting strike again. :-)
Posted by: Big Fan, at workHad a Steely Dan moment last week. Had to go to the local mall- it’s an 80s mall anchored by a Macy’s and a Sears and now a Target in place of JC Penney – maybe 100 stores. I was just leaving the Sears when what do I hear over the mall loudspeakers but The Last Mall. I know I’ve touched on this before but it is still really creepy for me to think that Steely Dan has become the music of choice for consumer shopping – from chain pharmacies to fast food restaurants. I’m not sure that’s what Don & Walt intended with their witty lyrics. I can’t tell you the last time (if ever) I heard The Last Mall played on a radio station, but there it was over the loudspeakers.
Posted by: angel, Ben: Maybe the cover might be a clue.... ;-)
Me, I am up for anything and will definitely give this CD a listen.
--
Speaking of Razor Boy....
I love the song and loved the interpretation of it on the My, Myself and Irene Soundtrack CD. Probably my favorite cut on the CD, as a matter of fact. Only a Fool by Ivy comes in second. :-)
Playing it in concert, they could do a long end, similar to this interpretation of the song. Donald loves to go somewhere and this song could lend itself to that kind of an interpretation. Hey, something new for the next one? :-)
--
That Any World treatment was definitely different. Glad I heard it, but very very different.
Posted by: Ben, Garden Party"I'm sure there are some Danfans out there that will consider this album a sacrilege, but it's made out of love for these songs"
Gina- Why would Rebecka T say that? I mean, we didn't feel that way about the last 10 Steely Dan tribute albums that have come out in the last two years. Why would feel that way about this one? LOL
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, West of HollywoodSteely Don -- "Any World" was done on this tour to a reggae beat. IMHO, it was not that good and it seemed to have been dropped after the first few shows. "Razor Boy" is a great tune and to my knowledge has never been done live.
Posted by: Steely Don, Will you still have a song to singI was just thinking... has "Razor Boy" every been performed live? I think that is one of the most underappreciated songs in the SD repetoire. I think its a really good song.Also, how was "Any world that I'm Welcomed TO" performed on the past tour? Was it arranged radically differently than the album version.
I saw the post about SD references on tv such as the Simpson's. I remember watching that episode and being surprise to hear IGY. Anyway, I also remember hearing SD/DF in the background of the tv show "90210". Especially the summer episodes where they are at a beach cafe they play "The Goodbye Look" and sometimes at the diner they eat at you can hear "Black Cow"
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, PAFreakin spammers, now I'm getting email that starts with "Dear Mr. RJ Squonk". Lots of 3rd world bankers out there with money to give away.
Anyway, set the Wayback Machine for the late 60’s/early 70’s Mr. Peabody. Driving songs for middle-aged males - head banging a la Wayne and Garth is expected:
Journey to the center of Your Mind – Amboy Dukes (yes the Motor City Madman – swears he never did drugs)
Funk #49 – James Gang (Cleveland Band, did young Mr. Rajah rock out on them?)
All Along the Watchtower – Hendrix
Bang A Gong – T. Rex ("You're built like a car, you got a hubcap diamond-star halo. You're built like a car, oh yeah". WTF? Marc Bolan definitely screwed a car tailpipe at some point and naturally died in a car wreck in 1977.)
30 Days in The Hole – Humble Pie
Statesboro Blues – Allman Bros.
Jumpin' Jack Flash – Johhny Winter Live (w/ Rick Derringer, there’s your tangential)
Woodstock – CSNY
Sha Na Na Na (Tell Her Goodbye) – Steam (Burned into my skull because some numbnut played it every day on the jukebox at lunch in the High School cafeteria)
Paperback Writer – The Beatles
Stones – Gimme Shelter (Merry Clayton was a Raelette!) Let it Bleed best Stones album of all time? Loved that album cover too. Used it to get the seeds out.
Led Zep – Whole Lotta Love
Born on the Bayou – CCR
Going Up The Country - Canned Heat
Crossroads – Cream (and we ate them too)
Intro/Sweet Jane (Live) – Lou Reed (2 guitars better than 1. Saw a surf movie once that had this song as background and the footage was perfectly edited to match the music. Blew my mind man.)
Posted by: Gina, Pippi Longstocking Mountainhttp://radiodupree.blogspot.com/2006/09/sweden-dan.html
Fire In the Hole. That's the title of a real special album with Steely Dan songs, portrayed by two of Sweden's finest vocalists. Due for release October 16th. You can click the link above for more info.
Per Gunnar will be the designated interviewer in both Swedish and English and will take care of it for Radio Dupree, Mizar5 and Dandom Digest, i will review the disc for All About Jazz. here is a little something in advance from Rebecka T: "I'm sure there are some Danfans out there that will consider this album a sacrilege, but it's made out of love for these songs, and we had so much fun doing it!"
Posted by: W1P, Bel AirRoger, what's funny is how you remember us (me and Larry) running into you at the Hotel Bel Air in 1999! Great call!
Posted by: Roger Waters, Darkside of Bel AirW1P-
Sunday is the night my man. They will have worked all the bugs
out of that cantankerous Hollywood Bowl sound system by then!;-)
Have a great time man. I know I will.
I thought it would be cool if they showed "The Wizard of Oz" on the
big screens!!!!!
Posted by: laughingpines, lalalandLonnie,
I have had the pleasure of seeing Denny playing with the "new"
Steely Dan on "Do It Again" 3 times now. It sure was a treat!
I thought for sure we would see him "guest" with the band this
year in Irvine, (I believe he lives in that area)but it was not
to be. He doesn't look like your "High school Shop" teacher any
more, with the the beard and the overalls. No, he looks like
the CEO of some software company. But the man can still play!
Posted by: Jenny, Fredneck, MD Hoops and Lonnie:
Is that tribute to Jeff Porcaro the David Garfield produced one? Or is there another? I really like the Garfield one, and would love to hear another if this is a different one.
Posted by: Jenny, Fredneck, MD I listen to the local "classic rock" station, and I heard Time Out of Mind! I was really surprised, since this is usually not a classic rock staple, usually a "smooth jazz" one. It was a pleasant surprise. Then later that day I heard My Old School, on the same station. The DJ at the "Peak" must be a fan!
Posted by: jazzman4567, Denny DiasLonnie,
Agree, it would be great to see Denny up there playing. I for one have never seen him perform, but he is a great player. Years ago in my youth I used to think Denny was the singer of Steely Dan, in the days before they put the names on the albums ! When I thought of Steely Dan I thought of him in his "overalls" and long beard.
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, East of West HollywoodHoops makes a good point about the tribute CDs. The Porcaro tribute is excellent and it does feature our DF with Denny Dias on a few tunes. Great stuff -- but the lack of the SD Orchestra is apparent. This brings up a good point about a thread of discussion some few weeks back about the next SD guitarist for the next tour. We all went round and round about who it should be or who it would be nice to see/hear. I have not seen anyone mention having a real SD reunion of sorts by having Mr. Denny Dias play lead guitar on a tour. He sounded pretty damn good on the Porcaro tribute gig with Donald. What about having him play as a 3rd guitar with Herington and WB on certain tunes. Could be very cool!
Posted by: W1P, Hollywood BowlBut of course that means you'll miss Friday's Roger Waters show ;-)
Posted by: Madeleine Peyroux, Gretchen-
There are plenty of fine "single" seats to be had. Just go through the Royce Hall offical website!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Cortlandt Manor, NYAnn, I don't think my credit cards could handle any more traveling this year. Much as I'd love to head out to Asia to see my future husband at a clinic (which I really would love to do) it just ain't in the cards.
HOWEVER!
Wayne Krantz just sent me HIS newsletter and he'll be at 55 Bar tomorrow night (Thursday) with Carlock on drums! So I will definately be there!
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehThings I Miss the Most the '54 Strat.
SS hope your holiday is going well! Going to see the Canucks while your home?
How about a get together of the greenroom crew on Friday night? All are welcome!
I've been listening to the digital Classic rock station on Comcast a lot lately, they play the Dan a couple of times a day with lots of variation thank goodness.
Posted by: SS, VancouverW1P...some nice driving tunes there..and tunes, overall.
Hot Summer Night in Sausalito, by the way, was by a band called Diesel. You've got quite a memory to recall Fly at Night by Chilliwack. Those guys are from my former backyard (Lower Mainland of BC, i.e. Vancouver) and songwriter Bill Henderson probably never got the credit he was due - like a lot of others, I suppose.
Can't get too far with driving tunes anymore...I drive for a couple of weeks every two years or so. Great trip to Seattle though over the weekend and thanks to SueDave and Dave for entertaining me. Kitchen rock !
Lots of disc-buying on this trip. I never thought I'd do it but I bought Steely Dan Gold (expanded version).
And yeah, that's some advanced Dan Fan doing the writing for that tv show, accusing the Fagan character of stealing a guitar. Really had to be the '54 Strat he had in mind, no ?
Posted by: leo, '54 StratYeah, Walter had his '54 Stratocaster stolen back in the Steely Dan v.1 days.
Posted by: Gretchen, post season LA is no place for this Yankee fan.......Is anyone in the LA area fortunate enough to have tickets to Friday's Royce Hall performance of Madeleine Peyroux? Had I been paying closer attention I'd have tickets.....show completely sold out. Tempted to resort to ebay, this show is something to see...
G
Posted by: Daddy G., NJAs usual, it's hard to gauge the degree of seriousness in the response, but here's an excerpt from...
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/030610%20kgsr.htm
______________________________________________________________________
One Hour Sale, A Conversation with Steely Dan
An interview on KGSR radio, 6/10/03:
From Steely Dan's new album "Everything Must Go": Things I Miss the Most. If you had to be separated from your prize possessions, what would be the things you'd miss the most, Walter?
Becker: Well, I've got a guitar or two that I kind of like. I wasn't kidding about the '54 Strat, you know what I mean? And by the way, if anybody happens to have my '54 Strat out there, I'd appreciate returning it. There would be a small reward. No questions asked.
Posted by: hoops, Keith is doing clinics in Asia in late October and early November, according to his last newsletter circa Sept 6. This was also, if I remember correctly, in the last Dandom Digest for Sep 4-30
What is the story on a stolen guitar? I hope it's not his '54 strat. I must have missed that story. I need to slow down.
jim
Posted by: Seth, Ann said: "So, our Keith is coming to Asia" .
Fife said: "Didn't Walter have a guitar stolen from him at one point"?
Where are you people getting this info from?
Please elaborate.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThird World Man:
Couldn't agree more! Well done!
So, our Keith is coming to Asia ....yeah!! ....er..hm...MARGARET!! Get you butt out here!!!
Well, I can live in hope that he may just come a little further east and visit the Kingdom of Unexpected Treasures!! Now THAT WOULD make my year!
Peace to all......
Ann
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, ehDidn't Walter have a guitar stolen from him at one point? That would make it a very sly Steely Dan reference don't you think?
Posted by: thirdworldman, at the dude ranch above the sea Is it all about you?
or is it all about how you think things should be?
"Tangentially Steely Dan related"
by definition : "A tangent is another way to refer to a red herring, or a topic nearly unrelated to the main topic, but having a point in common with it."
Having a point in common with it.
A point in common with the music of Steely Dan , would be , MUSIC, IMHO.
Much of the world of music is related. Look at the players that Steely Dan has shared with other groups, should we not mention them, because in your opinion, they are not "tangentially steely dan related"?
Maybe all you listen to is Steely Dan, (a fault of which i am 98 percent guilty of), even so-you have to know how the Dan is related to so much other music out there- if you can't make that leap, then there's a chance that you have grown quite closed-minded.
Actually, based on the true definition, the very idea that I am writing anything in here is tangentially steely dan related because, the "point in common shared" is the fact that I listen to them almost exclusively.
Anyway, lighten up and dont be a weenie. (if the shoe fits...)
Posted by: murph, a catput a dollar in the kitty
don't the moon look pretty?
Posted by: Daddy G., NJTonight's season premiere of "Veronica Mars" had a minor character (hardly any face time) named "Donald Fagan" (that's how the closed captioning spelled it). He was the leader of a petty theft ring and very likely not going to appear ever again. One of the stolen items was a $5000 guitar. Would have been a nice touch if it had been a keyboard instead. Or a keytar.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThanks for the link to 'Maestros'
they have Tony Gallo doing "Black cow" on it, very interesting.
the first time i heard this guys band was through my uncle, who knows him personally.
if you ever get the chance to hear him, do it.
if you're a fan of big band, you'll thank me.
Posted by: Gretchen, everyday housewifeJust placed my order for "Maestros" from the following source:
http://www.netsoundsmusic.com/nsudb/1/1/599/0/2.html
Think they had only one copy left at the time I ordered but a google search will show other retailers.
G
Posted by: hoops, "Maestros of Cool" was mentioned in the Dandom Digest just out last night but if it was mentioned here, I missed it. Regardless, I'm so glad you brought it up again. I received a copy of it (Thanks "U."! ) from Europe in the past few days.
It's really impressive so far, especially as far as these sort of tribute CDs go. Of special note to me is Justin Morell who did a great tribute album to Steely Dan back some 4 years ago. And of course there is Cornelius Bumpus. Looking forward to listening. It is, of course, a "best-of" collection of all those various tribute and cover versions and intrepretations through the years, from Raw Stylus to the tribute to Jeff to simply a number of tracks featuring Dan players or Dan inspirations. BTW: Danizen Hans Verlouw is thanked in the credits.
jim
Posted by: Has this been seen?, Is this old news ? It's the first I've heard of it:
http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/2006/09/maestros_of_coo.html
Posted by: Raven, Second tryRJ Squonk: Fun post! Hey, what do squonks eat for breakfast? ;>~
Posted by: Raven,
Posted by: W1P, Hollywood BowlA friend of ours has two Roger Waters Tickets available for Friday night (Oct 6th) at the Hollywood Bowl. They are located in Section G2, Row 21, Seats 2 & 4 and they are selling for $100 apiece ($200 total -- which is slightly less than she paid for them after Ticketmaster charges, etc.). If you are interested, send her an email at Subpena1ATaolDOTcom
Posted by: hoops, Partial credit for what, Alkali???
The driving tunes thread has been an interesting thread for some, no dounbt some are going to scroll by as well. I like seeing what people are interested in as far as I am concerned, so I can see their musical roots. I also like the sense of comradery it's created. I'm not sure I personally would choose the same selections for driving tunes as some people do but to be honest I don't think everyone else would find mine interesting too. And not sure every song you list is a "Real 'driving tune' " in my book but, cool, nice to know what you think.
I look at the Blue a dozen times a day, minimum during the week. Half the time I have comments to offer but then I have to consider will I have to also allow time to tango or entertain snide remarks because someone thinks what I've written is "drivel?" Many other regulars don't always post here or on other Dan forums on the internet for the same reason. I'd wager those who are sharing their musical interests will also be the first to share some tidbit of Dan info that is useful to us. Let's keep people in the fellowship as it were, rather than dissing their well intentioned chat of favs.
jim
Posted by: Alkali, NYCCatching up on recent posts, I can’t help but wonder whether the Steely-well has run dry.
Why else would most everyone take the time to list “driving tunes”?
and non Dangential ones at that!
(to the person who listed both Dan and non-Dan tunes, you get partial credit)
If it’s become hard to come up with interesting topics about the boys, if the inexorable dissecting of any and all things Dan has left little more than a greasy stain on the science room counter top and scalpel then by all means throw together any list off the top of your head.
Tunes to shower, shave and brush your teeth by:
“Razor boy”
“Boston rag”
“both of Your gold teeth”
Tunes to get dressed by:
“Pearl of the quarter”
“Green earrings”
“both of Your gold teeth”
When you drive you wanna know that people are wit ya, right?
Especially Dangential types.
Real “Driving tunes” or “Traveling tunes”:
“Midnight cruiser”
“Daddy”
“Any world”
“Scam”
“Home at last”
“Babylon Sisters”
“Janie”
“Raindrops”
There are so many more….
But remember kids keep it Dangential and always stay within the lines
Posted by: Ned Flanders, SpringfieldMy humb-e-li-humble suggestion re: season & episode
Season 16, episode 15 titled "Future-Drama"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future-Drama
Posted by: angel, Driving Songs?Suffragette City by David Bowie....Ohhh, wham bam thank you maam!
Boston Rag: Yes on Vertigo. Great tune to drive to.
Posted by: chris, nhRR and Old bunny, do you know what season that Simpsons episode is? I'd love to see it.
Posted by: oldbunny, RR Jas:
That Simpsons episode with IGY as background music--it's the one where Homer is living in an underwater house. A group of fish carry away his "lawn" furniture, and he yells after them "Stupid Flounders!" Great episode.
Posted by: W1P, ArkansasAnd people think I'm a one dimensional metal/Floydhead
"I don't even have a garage, you can call home and ask my wife"
Polk Salad Annie -- Tony Joe White
Posted by: Daddy G., Hoe-down driving songs?There are many, many "driving tunes," of course, and many different definitions of such which depend on the length of the drive, destination, mood, company of passengers, etc...
Seeing Charlie Daniels on one of the lists below prompted just a few country ones to bubble up to the surface of my brain (not that I expect anyone to be familiar with'em, of course)...
"SUDS IN THE BUCKET" -- SARA EVANS
Can there BE a more countryish title than that? I recently picked up the album--used--that this appears on just so I'd have this tune for a personal mix CD of absolute all-time favorite songs collected in one spot for my listening pleasure. (Neither here nor there, but though I don't watch it myself I understand Ms. Evans is currently featured on "Dancing With the Stars.")
Also on the same mix CD and in a similar vein as "Suds" is...
"I'D RATHER RIDE AROUND WITH YOU" -- REBA McENTIRE
Normally I don't care too much for Reba's style since she tends towards vocal gymnastics ballads. But this is just a peppy good time caught-in-the-magic-of-the-moment song and I could listen to it for hours. And besides it actually is ABOUT driving. Another album that I picked up used just to get the one song off it.
And finally...
"BOOMTOWN" -- TOBY KEITH
This might be my ultimate driving tune, country or otherwise. It's the title track from his second album, well before he went all red, white, and bluish and hit it mega-big. I think the cops should be able to give anyone a free pass for speeding if they're playing this song. I actually HAVE looped this over and over while driving, but first I set the cruise control and remove my foot from the gas to ensure no speeding. If anybody is gonna check out only one of these three songs I mention, I particularly recommend this one.
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I'm sure there are others, but I'm also sure that's more than enough for most folks reading this board. Carry on...
:-)
Posted by: Hey Philippe, Thanks for the James Grant link! Great read.
Posted by: thirdworldman, squonkin at the savvoyRJ-in answer to your question:
In more recent years, the name of the squonk has been used in various contexts, including Squonk Opera, a performing arts group in the Pittsburgh area, and by the Dutch jazzrockband "The Mighty Squonk".
im all squonked out.
Posted by: Philippe, PauLove and money again; yes Donald is in the credits, but not in the players list, although he did play. You'll find the full story at:
http://www.fenton-designs.com/jocelynsquare/jg-interview1.html
Enjoy.
Philippe
Posted by: thirdworldman, thinking really hard about worrking out, but not actually doing itRJ Squirrel/Squonk-
since i had no idea what a squonk was, i looked it up (the following lifted from the invaluable "Wikipedia":
The Squonk is a legendary creature reputed to live in the Hemlock forests of northern Pennsylvania. Legends of squonks probably originated in the late 19th century, at the height of Pennsylvania's importance in the timber industry.
The earliest known written account of squonks comes from a book by William T Cox called Fearsome Creatures of the Lumberwoods, With a Few Desert and Mountain Beasts (1910). Mr. Cox's account is reprinted in Jorge Luis Borges' Book of Imaginary Beings (1969).
To summarize the legend of the squonk: It is a very ugly creature, and it knows this. Its skin is ill-fitting, and covered with warts and other blemishes, therefore the squonk hides from being seen, and spends much of its time weeping sorrowfully over its own ugliness. Hunters who have attempted to catch squonks have found that the creature is capable of evading capture by dissolving completely into a pool of tears and bubbles when cornered. A certain J.P. Wentling is supposed to have coaxed one into a bag, which while he was carrying it home, suddenly lightened. On inspection,
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