JANUARY - APRIL 2008 BlueBook Entries

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 23:36:46 ET
Posted by: what C$ has in store for y'all,

I think the major reason some Danfans can make some fairly good “extrapolations” from so little “data” from the clips we are hearing on C$ is that NO music critic, today, back in 1994 or otherwise can is that the average Danfan has heard the songs so many times, and has a greater depth of understanding than any commercial critic can hope to have. The reviews we have seen on Morph by the many hacks that are out there were off the mark. The exceptions have been in cases where the author was a Danfan. This is also true for Dead fans, Stones fans Eagles fans, whatevah. I can tell you from personal association with media critics/writers that in many cases to meet deadlines and such, that they don’t even listen to the records they review, even from artists which they have little no familiarity to any greater degree or depth than what has been put up on Walt’s website. Then they write a blurb and it’s on to the next record/film.

Whatever Guitar Mag said back in 1994 about enabling listeners to discern what Walt contributes to SD did not have the benefit of time, two more SD records and a second solo Walt record to work with that we have today. Besides C$ being a stronger record than 11 TOW on several fronts it is a true, pure Walt effort (so we are told) from the standpoint of no involvement from Donald, who was the “producer” on 11 TOW. Further, it seems intuitively that Walt was a bigger contributor on 2vN and EMG as possibly Donald relinquished some control and allowed Walt more input than on the previous 7 SD records—perhaps imposed by Walt as a condition of their reuniting after 20 years to make a studio recording. After all, Walt was “allowed” to sing on Slang when he never had done so before. If you listen to the C$ clips carefully you will hear the snippets and instruments that have been used before on SD records, and logically 2vN and EMG in particular. On C$, even with its predominant, underlying reggae, the SD sound IS there. NOT the UB40 sound, not the Maxi Priest sound, not the Marley sound, but the SD sound.

C$ therefore is going to provide great insights into what sonic types underlie Walt’s “true” style, and NOW in 2008, by virtue of a “true” separation from SD/Donald even greater insights and surprises into what sorts of sounds he contributed to the SD body of work. No doubt, when the C$ record is finally released and spun by Dandom for about a month or so, then the speculation--but then there is almost by definition speculation and conjecture when it comes to art--will diminish to an (acceptable?) degree.

BTW, another factor to consider when it comes time to really analyze or conjecture about what is on C$ and where it came from is that somewhere, out there in the Ether, the Brain Strainer has probably already “got detectives on the C$ case and is filming the whole charade”.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 23:16:37 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Nice find, Doc.

BTW, here is the direct url to the article:

http://commongroundmag.com/2008/05/fromtheed0805.html


Here's a link to a page in Sweet's book with references to Keith Thomas:

http://tiny.cc/lqbTh



Here's some more on Kurt Thomas, to get you all started:

Apparently, he was part of Dias' band at the time of the infamous want ad:

"Denis [Denny] Dias of Hicksville, Long Island - had a band called Demian with drummer Mark Leon and vocalist Keith Thomas - which needed a replacement bass player - and to broaden its repertoire. With Dias quickly recognising the song-writing talent of the newcomers Demian soon became Becker and Fagen's band and in no time at all Thomas and Leon were out - being replaced by Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter and Jim Hodder." [sic]

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Music/Steely-Dan-12966.html

http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/4sun.htm

http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/19randall.htm

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 20:48:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

I just received this article from "Google Alerts" here's a little piece of it...can anyone provide any info on Keith Thomas?


from commongroundmag.com

Born To Rock

By Eliza Thomas

I am second-generation wanna-be rock star. Chains of failed musical projects, endless strings of open mic nights and discarded piles of lyric-scribbled notebooks are something of a tradition in my family, as is the intermittent pining for the life that could have been. My boyfriend likes to joke that my family gatherings always seem to devolve into a sing along (“gathering” being a term used loosely, as even a quick car trip to the market is fair game). And I still have high hopes for the Golenternek Family Reunion Band… if we could get together to practice more than once a year, I swear we’d have made it by now.

As of yet, my father, Keith Thomas, can claim the closest thing to success, with a brief stint as a vocalist during the nascent beginnings of a band that eventually hit it big — very big: legions of fans, arena tours, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the whole bit. The band was Steely Dan, and my dad was out before they really made it, but if you dig around, you can find “early years” compilations featuring him singing lead. It’s both exciting and a touch heartbreaking for me to listen to the old recordings… his voice still a full tenor so young and brimming with promise. I’m not sure my dad ever fully recovered from his abortive brush with stardom, and it can’t help that it’s nearly impossible for him to walk into an ophthalmologist’s office or a Dunkin Donuts without hearing muzak versions of the hits that got away.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 18:16:03 ET
Posted by: angel,

Oh, thanks Buzz one... :-)

Yes, outed as an extra in Redbelt. The horror! lol

If you catch the big fight scene at the end, check out the hundreds of dummies...and me.


--

We danced on the side at Chumash. It was a happenin' thing. LWO, Ed, Hoops and others. Then rushed the stage at the end, for an up front look at the players. Another nice memory.

Regarding dancing at my seat. I never bother others, but I do look for opportunities, like everyone is up and dancing.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 18:11:31 ET
Posted by: I SLEPTWITH GEOFF, BEACON HOTEL

AND NOW I WANNA SLEEP WITH MARK

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 17:14:07 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana,

Mark in Boston:::
I am sooooooo jealous !!! Decent orchestra seat AND a room at The Beacon Hotel...WOW...

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 16:22:25 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

LWO we must be on the same wave length, lol. See you in June WHOOHOO!!

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 16:20:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Here's what I did last tour when it came to dancing. I just went up along the side to the front of the stage and danced my ass off. I wasn't blocking anyone, security did not remove me and I had a great time. Gretchen and I also had row zz at the Beacon, no one behind us, the boys looked like ants but at least we could stand for most of the show. I'm always aware of those behind me so out of courtesy I only stand when everyone else does, I've become some what of an expert at the seat dance, though to be honest I'm always scanning to see where I could possible get out and stand to watch the show. I guess 20 years of jobs that require I stand 8 hours a day is a plus. My body does not want to sit still when the tunes are so great, the bonus a joyful cardio workout. If there is a will there's a way people.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 16:12:39 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, side stage

A fairly regular group of us can usually be found off to a side stage section for our various dance moves. I do understand both sides of the discussion. 'Course some venues are crazier than others with the Security Joan personnel.

I want at least THREE of the clips from C$ for my new cell phone ringtones...."the girls don't seem to care tonight" has been around for about 3 years. How do I do that???

Still no Beacon tickets, but it looks like they may have thrown out some more orchestra seats and will keep checking. I have not been stimulated YET by Prez Il-logic....darn the luck.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 16:06:21 ET
Posted by: DWB, here

sorry Angel...

but it is so much fun to tell the Blue crowd that YOU appear as an extra in David Mamet's new movie Redbelt, starring Joe Mantegna, Max Martini and Chiwetel Ejiofor among many others.
the soundtrack of the movie is sung by Mamet's wife Rebecca Pidgeon and here is the 2nd Dan-connection, her album Tough on Crime produced by Larry Klein and Walter Becker appears o guitars in the title track.
I think he even co-wrote the song, not sure.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 13:49:37 ET
Posted by: angel,

Can't dance to Steely Dan songs? Try to sit still during Bodhisattva. ;-)


San Diego 2006. Fagen said he liked it when we danced in the front of the stage.
Unfortunately for me, I couldn't get up there to do so.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 13:47:33 ET
Posted by: ps, here

http://www.lifegatemusicshop.it/catalog/product_info.php?ln=eng&products_id=E08632

here is the DVD.

the label Immortal, that's also what I found on the CD.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 13:47:18 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,

A couple comments on the ongoing "who wrote what" debate.

First off, anybody remember a couple guys from Liverpool, rather decent songwriting team, put both names on every song even if it was a solo effort? Later on, both started listing their wives as co-writers. Still managed to turn out some quality work, as I recall.

I have vague recollections of reading somewhere that Bodhissatva was purely DF's work, and that this was the exception. Might have been the Brian Sweet book, so consider the source. I'd wager Jack of Speed was predominantly WB's, or else why would he have sung the first version in 1996? The revised bridge was probably DF's. Just guessing, of course. I believe DF has said that he already had the music to EMG when they wrote the lyrics together, and Big Noise New York bears that out. Donald's instructional video goes into some detail about how they modified basic blues progressions to come up with Josie and Chain Lightning, and credits Walter with his input. They have both said that they usually work together in a room around a piano, and in later years Walter has been the one to translate their musical ideas to sequenced demos (probably much like what were used as the platforms for 11TOW and its outtakes).

The other thing I remember from somewhere is an insider opining that without the other, Donald can't finish a song and Walter can't start one. I think a total of five solo albums between them refutes that presumption, but that may be at least one clue to their working methods.

Anyway, I can't wait for CM (or C$ as it apparently is now being called). Sounds enough like SD to me based on the clips.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 13:32:05 ET
Posted by: DWB, here

re: live CD.
yeah, figured it was a bootleg or something. it's different when bootlegs are TRADED for other music in the internet forums, although I can imagine artists don't like that either, still, it's an entire different issue when companies make money selling these. which is clearly the case.

the CD was released 2008, this year.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 12:49:47 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

As far as dancing/standing at Steely Dan concerts ... I would much rather stand than sit, but if 98% of the crowd is sitting, I'm not going to be a jerk. It would be nice if folks were allowed to stand/dance in the isles, but in many cases security won't allow it, or if venues had/utilized a pit in the front.

Anyone who plays in a band will say that if the audience is up, moving around, and having a good time, the music will have much more energy. Of course this doesn't apply to every type of music or every band (high profile jazz shows, for example, are usually made up of people hanging on every note), but I do think it applies to Steely Dan. Just about every song they've written since Gaucho is danceable, after all.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 12:05:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

There is only ONE official live audio-only SD album, Live in America.

The Plush DVD and the 2vN are both VERY good, IMO. But, they are hardly the typical live experience.

I don't do bootlegs, as a rule, as they almost always suck, IMO. I have a copy of Fagen's band (concert in Philly) that isn't half-bad. But it isn't as good as the live show I saw.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 11:44:17 ET
Posted by: Jake,

DWB - That is a boot-leg. The audio is taken from the PBS Jazz/Plush video.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 11:30:52 ET
Posted by: ps, here

didn't buy it.

the company who released this album claim, on their website, they own the rights to more than 30.000 tracks.

including this live steely dan concert, 2000, New York?

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 11:26:02 ET
Posted by: DWB, here

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdlivebf9.jpg

are you sure, Mr Dean, no live albums... (besides A.I.A.)

if you click the link, this is a live album I found in a store, live recordings from 2000, New York.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 11:17:42 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, NYC Bound

V – Drunky McDouche?!? LOL – I knew that guy in college!

Now that I’ve been economically stimulated by George W, I snagged a decent orchestra seat for the June 21 show last night and then booked a room at the Beacon. Whoo Hoo!

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 10:53:54 ET
Posted by: V, At work

Oooo, sorry. I really did not mean to open the dance can of worms.

That being said, I know how much it can suck to have Drunky McDouche standing and dancing in front of me for the entire concert. I'm not a tall gal (5'4") so it doesn't take much for someone to block my view. I'll definitely be conscious of the concert-goers behind me, but I don't know if I can just sit there like a bump on a log during "Peg". Sorry...that's my one dance song.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 10:18:01 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

To dance or not to dance, that is the question. (again) Everything in moderation, I say. If someone in front of me feels moved enough to get up and shake it for a song or two, I've got no problem with it. I've been known to do that myself and they paid just as much as i did to occupy that space. If I have to just watch just one side of the stage for 10-15 minutes of a 90 minute show, that's not worth bitching about. In '03 in Chicago I had Lurch sitting in front of me, I swear he must have been 7' +. I had to lean to one side or the other the whole show but I didn't let that ruin the night. I get the idea of going for the music, I was unable to move from awe during Boston Rag in '00, it was just so stunning. I was just as in awe during Peg but I was up shaking it at the same time.

I am all for general admission, one of the best experiences I had was '03 in Memphis at Shelby Farms. Dead front and center for $40. Waiting in line from 3pm was a bonus, I've got great friends from that still.

KC

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 09:26:25 ET
Posted by: wheee 00, i'm a dancing fool a -ool a-ool

there you go again hoops. always on the wrong side of the issue. i'm not going to pay hundreds to watch some lame cracker boomer attempting shake his ass a foot from my face in some flashback to his "frat days." i mean, who the fuck do you think you are to ruin it for everyone behind you??

dancers - they are going to have to DEAL with me.

steely is a listening experience, i'll never understand you inconsiderate me-generation, killjoy, morons. if you know you've never been able to control your urge to "boogie," be considerate enough to get a lawn ticket !! then, dance your fool ass off. you wanna dance- go see a bee gees cover band. god.

i would be surprised to learn that walter's dance comments came early in the night. of course during the last 3-4 songs of the night everyone should be up and shimmying - i ain't no quaker (not that there's anything wrong with that).

learn to fold your "dance energy" back inward - its a great feeling. ask sting!

have a nice day.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 09:16:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Looking for Mimosas

Excellent points, Hoops.

I'm sure the boys like to see some dancing (especially from the young females!) at their shows. It certainly is a change from their older, and stodgier, mostly-male core audience. I agree it adds to the energy, and thus probably enhances elements of the performance.

Dance on stage, dance in the aisles, dance in the pit...that's all good, and should be encouraged. (Though, as you mention, the venues don't like it.) But be courteous to your fellow Dan fans who are seated.

Lurker Ray:

Whitespace, man, whitespace! (Or is it bluespace?) :#)

Yes there are many artists/bands that sound FAR better in concert, than on recordings. Their music and energy just doesn't seem to translate to the studio. Los Lobos comes to mind, but there are better examples, I'm sure.

I would argue that the Dan is NOT one of those bands. If anything, the Dan is a studio-first band. Their sound and style is perfect for studio recordings. While The Dan has become a kick-ass live band, I don't think it can match what they do in the studio. That's not to say I don't LOVE the Dan in concert...I just expect different things.

One thing that SD lacks in their impressive portfolio, is a great live album. While the 1980's version of Bodhisattva live is outstanding, most of the live recordings lack a little something, IMO. To me, Alive in America is the only disappointment in the official SD archives. (Yes, there are a couple of good performances on that recording, but as a whole, it really isn't 'up to snuff', IMO.) The 2vN live DVD is excellent. But, even in this instance, it seems to be "studio live". Maybe that's the best way to record SD live: a controlled environment. (How about with a full orchestra?) :#)

I would love to get a GREAT (ie, Steely Dan-worthy) live album from this tour. Maybe they can put one together from the 6-night stand at the Beacon. Or, perhaps the 2-night performance at the Montreal Jazz Fest is an opportunity.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 08:48:22 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

L.Hart -

I wasn't trying to imply that I thought that Walter actually co-wrote songs for The Nightfly and Kama that aren't credited to him, just that whenever Walter has been absent from Donald for any length of time, Donald's creative juices seem to have a harder time flowing. I think a lot of the ideas for songs (for both of them) originate as a thing to take to the other and have him check out. If you remember Donald in a Rolling Stone interview, Donald Fagen said "Walter and I had been working on that song at a house in Malibu. I played him that line, and he said, "You mean it's like, 'They call these cracker assholes this grandiose name like the Crimson Tide, and I'm this loser, so they call me this other grandiose name, Deacon Blues?' " And I said, "Yeah!" He said, "Cool! Let's finish it!"

Does that not sound like Donald essentially came up with a germinal idea, took it to Walter who was entertained by it, and who then decided that it was worthy of finishing up for inclusion on the album? I mean, I may be reading way too much there, but that's the way I'm reading it.

In this, I'm not saying that Walter is writing things or giving Donald lines and then in a moment of altruism allowing Donald to take full credit. More than anything I just don't understand why people have such a hard time acknowledging what to me seems like Walter's obvious half of the whole that is Steely Dan. I don't think that the people who are implying that Walter's use of a songwriting partner other than Donald makes him the lesser musician would be saying the same thing if Donald's last album had been collaborations with Jobim or Sager exclusively. The truth is that I feel the need to prove something for Walter that he obviously feels no need to prove himself. Then again, I am a fan, and he is the songwriter responsible (to whatever degree) to some of the most enduring pop songs of all time. Maybe that should speak for itself.

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Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 06:31:42 ET
Posted by: Just askin...,

Does anybody besides me find something incongruous about the idea of dancing to Steely Dan?

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 01:32:45 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Um, that's "east of the Mississippi"!

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 00:53:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, General Admission Rules!

I just can't see how anyone could say that
"Roseland sucks". Those four Steely Dan
shows were the best I have seen west of the
Mississippi. Yeah, we had to stand and arrive
early, but that's what makes general admission
shows so great. And it gives everyone, not
just the rich or "connected" a chance to get up
close. Soboba and San Diego in 06 were the best
of both worlds, you could stay in your seat or
you were free to come up front and dance. I
recall seeing Pete Fogel and Shari cutting the
rug both nights. All of my favorite shows have
been general admission, or I had to stand or
danced all night. Poi Dog Pondering was huge
in the 90's when I lived in Chicago. They would
sell out these multi-night stands at Cabaret Metro.
You had to get there early and stand, but we were
always rewarded with some just drop-dead amazing
shows. Their CD's were mostly forgettable, but
when they performed live in a small space like the
Metro, their shows were just jaw-dropping, kick-ass
affairs. I used to live in Bucktown in Chicago for
a while after I left Lincoln Park and bought a
townhouse, one day I was listening to WXRT and they
announced a free Rolling Stones show at a club called
the Double Door. It was blocks from my house. I
jumped on my Vespa and stood in line for hours that
day and was rewarded with one of the best shows I have
ever seen. Again, general admission. You sometimes
have to be willing to stand to see these historic
gigs in smaller intimate venues. I was once doing a
long-running show at the Civic Opera House in Chicago
and the Rat Pack with Sammy, Dean & Frank were doing
a series of nights at the newly renovated Chicago Theatre.
I couldn't afford a ticket, but I knew many of the ushers
because they also worked my gig. They asked me if I owned
a tux? I did because I had worked as a bartender at the
now closed, "That Steak Joynt". "Put on your tux and come
early and tell them you are ushering with us", they told me.
I did and saw the greatest show I have ever seen. Again,
I had to be willing to stand all night. I have lived out
here for ten years now and I have seen many shows at the
House of Blues on the Sunset Strip. Last weekend I went
to see Sly & The Family Stone and I have never seen the
place packed like that. General admission. We were told
that the show would start at 11PM, the show didn't start
until after midnight when Sly finally decided to take the
stage. Most of these people were much older than me, but
they toughed it out and stood for hours waiting. In the
end we were all rewarded with a clear and coherent Sly
dazzling us with an amazing show. The Beacon could be sweet
if they made the floor general admission. But until then,
nothing will ever top a New York Steely Dan show at Roseland.
Only fitting, that the Roseland Ballroom used to feature
marathon dance competitions during the depression. The poor and “unconnected” could have a chance to earn some money to
maybe pay the rent or put some food in hungry mouths if they could “place” or win the competition. The competition?
To see who could stay on their feet the longest. Sadly,
good seats to a Steely Dan show lately is all about the
“Benjamins”. Did you see those prices for the Vegas show?
200 economic stimuli + Ticketmaster stimuli. And that’s just
for one set. The only reason I got killer seats for LA &
Anaheim is because I had a “Gold Card”. How sad.
Poi Dog Pondering has their first new CD out in 5 years.
They play the intimate and infamous Troubadour (John Lennon got
kicked out for being intoxicated and obnoxious there during his famous lost weekend) in Hollywood in a couple of weeks. It
will be 20 dollars and general admission. I’ll be there,
dancing and willing stand all night. Just like the forever
young, quintessential Steely Dan fan, Miss Maggie.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 00:42:02 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The "dancing/no dancing at Steely Dan shows" debate has been a perennial topic here and on the Dandom Digest pretty much since we started. I have no idea how they feel recently, but for several tours--especially 1996--both Donald and Walter would actually say during the show, "you can get up and dance if you want". They've even said that on more recent tours. Heck, that was the mission of myself and some others that year. I remember at Alpine Valley, WI in 1996, Walter actually talked from the stage to the security asking them to let us all dance. A few weeks before, we papered the Alpine Valley lots at the "Furthur Festival" (a post-Jerry Gracia Grateful Dead event) encouraging Deadheads to come to the SD show and dance. They came out but security didn't like it. (Keep in mind this website and the Dandom Digest trace their lineage to rec.music.gdead.)

Security hates it--I guess that's why I get a kick out of Bruce Hornsby flying in the face of the venue by inviting the audience on stage to dance during his shows when security hassles the audience about dancing.

I think some fans come to listen and recreate the pristine experience in live mode of the SD albums; some just want to listen; for others it's just not their thing, and, even folks like myself, find that we have less energy. All obvious. But sadly, I think the shows aren't quite as energetic as a result. Perhaps that's what's so exciting about Roseland for ourselves and perhaps it's the same for Steely Dan.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 00:20:55 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

About Now It Be Told's post: I believe it was Guitar Player in 1994 that said something to the effect of now we get an idea of Walter's contributions to SD are. So yeah, it's likely the same here. No brain straining in that respect.

As for the rest, I just plainly don't see how you can say all that hearing maybe 10-12 minutes max. A lot of conjecture on your part. Way too much IMHO. You have maybe two dots and you add nine more to connect all your own dots and make a picture of your choosing. We simply don't know enough to say some of what you say.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 00:18:44 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Now It Be Told, I agree with what you say.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2008, 00:10:07 ET
Posted by: Now it be told, inquiring minds are gonna know

With the much anticipated C$ release in 5 weeks and the positive feedback so far, and the ever-present and past speculation as to what Walt contributes to the SD sound (its been said that SD is really Donald and Walt is/has been merely a “key ingredient” LOL) it is interesting to note that the sounds we are hearing on C$ are already providing key insights into the sonic contributions of Walt to SD. Some preliminary analysis is leading to the following:

a In general, one might now suppose the reason that 2vN is so different and experimental is more a result of Walt than previously thought. The “Negative Girl” type sound that is present on Door #2 and Paging Audrey might attest to this and if you ever wondered why that song is so far “out there” as an SD song, it makes a strong case that it was probably attributed to Walt.

b. Other 2vN songs that could be the primary result of Walt are the song 2vN, Janie Runaway, and West of Hollywood after hearing the clips from C$. Conversely, Jack of Speed and What a Shame emerge as songs with a Donald bias when viewed in the context of his solo works.

c. Where much of Donald’s work makes use of the loping tempo such as in Jack of Speed, Century’s End, Black Cow, what NOW can be better identified more closely as some key Walt sonic elements have emerged such as:

(1) The dirty baritone sax from Monkey in Your Soul used in several tunes on C$ now cleverly accompanies the reggae dub.
(2) The plucking string sound on Gaslighting Abbie now has resurfaced on Selfish Gene
(3) The high-register keyboard notes heard on Blues Beach and now used on 3 Picture Deal.

While the sometimes maligned Walt might not be the driving force or the voice of SD, however, now with the advent of C$, which might turn out to be Walt’s “2vN” of his solo work, Walt’s contributions to SD are going to be better identified and quite likely glorified.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 23:38:48 ET
Posted by: Ken, NYC

Roseland compared to the Beacon for a Steely Dan show? Is that a joke question? Roseland wins hands down. The Saturday night 2003 show was off the hook. Best show I've ever seen!

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 22:18:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

V,

There's a big difference (at least to me) between standing up to dance, on occasion (Peg's a good occasion) and standing for most of the show, without regard to who is behind you.

I would never begrudge an enthused fan the pleasure of having a little extra fun to one of their favorite danceable tunes. I have quite a different reaction to some drunk who wants to stand the whole show (or better yet, stand on his/her chair) and scream out requests to the band.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 22:13:12 ET
Posted by: V, St. Paul

Oops, I meant ask me to sit down...yipes...

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 22:11:15 ET
Posted by: V, St. Paul

Well since I paid through the nose for my row AA seat at the Chicago Theatre, you better believe I'm gonna be one of "those chicks" who gets up to dance during Peg.

That is, unless Chris's parents (or someone old enough to be my parent) ask me to. ;)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 22:06:08 ET
Posted by: Chris, again, posting too much

The Dean: The band that got everyone to show up was the Dismemberment Plan. They had been broken up since 03 and reunited for a 2 night charity show. It sold out in 3 minutes. I got 3 tickets at face value ($15). When my friends backed out, I put the other two on Ebay. The pair went for over $500.

The openers -- who 0 people were there to see -- were Owls and Crows and The Beauty Pill. The latter was a pleasant surprise, the former, less so.

Not sure how much appeal Dplan has with danfans, but needless to say something about them really resonates with me.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 21:56:37 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Chris,

I'm curious. Who were the acts, in that concert?

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 21:51:31 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

The best concert I ever saw was in a 500 person sold out club full of absolute die hard fans who had flown in from all over the world (I myself traveled from western Mass to Washington DC for the show). The energy and sense of community in a room like that is unparalleled. I got the venue around 7, doors opened at 8, first opener went on at 9. Then a second opener around 10. Then the headlining band at 11, who played until 2. I'm sure after all that standing around my feet hurt, but honestly I can't remember.

Seeing Steely Dan in a setting like that is something I really can't imagine. I'm used to amphitheaters named for giant corporations, with folks who could be (and sometimes are) my parents, who get upset when chicks get up to dance during Peg, who boo Walter when he makes a joke about republicans, and who get up to buy another overpriced Budweiser when the band plays something from Two Against Nature.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 20:46:57 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Thanks, Hoops.

I figured as much (as far as who was pissing you off).

I think I probably answered your confusion about my "high end" venue question with my last, long-winded, post. I wouldn't mind seeing SD with a symphony backing them...provided all was done with Walt and Don's oversight and organically integrated into what we know as Steely Dan.

Of course, I actually LOVED Charlie Parker with strings.

:#)

(BTW, I also loved CP without strings.)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 20:37:41 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

angel,

Thanks for the details. Very interesting (and funny). I have been to great shows where everyone was packed together (but, never Dan shows)...but, I have to admit to preferring a more comfortable arrangement, for the most part. Usually at the standing room shows, I find a piece of turf to lean on (preferably, the bar!) and call my own.

I would never question someone else's subjective experience, and hope they wouldn't question mine.

Slightly off topic, but related (to give a sense of where I'm comming from): I admit, I much prefer a symphony, or jazz performance, to a rock concert. I despise the theatrics of Mick Jagger, Bono and the like. Play the music, chumps! Concentrate on the MUSIC! Nothing blows me away quite as much as a raucous musical performance from musicians playing their asses off, while remaining relatively still, otherwise. David Grisman's bands always manage to do an extraordinary job of that (if we forgive the head bouncing).

While I really wish I had seen at least ONE of those Roseland shows, I will admit, I favor a comfortable seat (reasonably center and close, or 1st row of the balcony), in a venue with great sound. Add a cocktail (and drink holder is a real plus!), have the people if front of me SIT for most of the show, and I'm a pretty happy guy. Add a cheeba stick or two, and it's pure bliss.

Of course the band's performance plays a huge part, and the crowd's energy has an impact as well. (I have seen terrific performances in front of crappy crowds, though.) So, I don't doubt that the Roseland shows were some of the best ever (maybe THE best ever).

I am a little surprised that, if Walt and Don liked it so much, they don't play at least ONE of the 143 NYC performances there, this tour. But, I'm sure there are good (financial) reasons for that.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 20:34:23 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Geez

Referring to who did what on Walter and Donald's albums, the vast majority of the points are based on conjecture and speculation. I don't necessarily have a problem if the speculation is full of thrills and excited anticipation and "what if's". But more than a few of you are using those kind of arguments to put down Walter or Donald or... There's definitely something twisted and sick about that...how can most of you say you know who did what when you weren't even in the room when these recordings were made, let alone that you don't even know these people first hand? Some of these quotes are way too disconnected to support the assertions you are making.

I keep thinking back to fall of 2002 when there was discussion about the forthcoming album, before we knew it was called "Everything Must Go". People got into this discussion and debate about how the album must sound like shit because they read they were recording it with more analog technology. I mean these people hadn't even heard a note off of it and they were dissing the album! And then someone apparently involved in such a recording came on and explained how their recording methods actually made sense! People then went after the expert.

For some of you, it's really not about finding out more and gaining an greater appreciation--it's about angling a way to be "right".

Jim

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 20:22:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

"Dean":

Please keep in mind I'm first and foremost replying to the post you replied to.

It was like 96% standing room. The cool thing about all four shows was that you could hang at the Danfest until you started seeing people line up and entering and then go in. Yeah, if you showed up late, especially those who were less interested in the show, then you were further back. If you don't like Steely Dan, yeah it probably sucks. Everyone sat on the floor waiting for the show and the sense of community was such that if you were a serious fan, you were up close or you could get closer up with a great, intimate view. I moved around a lot at the Second 2003 show to get different angles and experiences. In 1995, a 79 year old lady who was a Danfan came from St Louis to see SD at Roseland. She stood with us up front and she thought it was the best Steely Dan venue and concert. We stayed in touch and she kept hoping for more shows there.

I'm not sure where you are going with the whole "classier" bit, but I sure don't feel like going there.

The Roseland shows are the best Steely Dan shows I have ever seen and Roseland is the venue to see them at.

Jim

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 20:12:50 ET
Posted by: L. Hart,

Angel, et al:

I've no problem WB WORKING w/ Larry either as PRODUCER.

However, WB shares CO-WRITING credits w/ him - why?

Sorry, that's a big fucking difference!


P.S. Matt - What the hell are you talking about?

"Donald (as far as I can ascertain) has never written songs away from Walter. The songs for the Nightfly album were written either during or just after the Gaucho sessions, Kamakiriad was written and recorded with Walter at the helm What are you talking about?

If Walter had anything to do with the writing of the songs from the Nightfly don't you think DF would have given him co-writing credit?
WTF are you talking about?

Why would DF give Walter co-writing credit on only "Snowbound" if he had contributed to the WRITING of the other songs?

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 19:57:20 ET
Posted by: ed_beatty, Roseland stage left

HFS ROSELAND

You had to be there

It was a 2 night stand

It was everything everyone says

HFS right LWO-Girl Margaret and SOH?


Of course

ed

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 19:52:13 ET
Posted by: angel, Wishing I was at Roseland

Make that Steely. :-)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 19:50:33 ET
Posted by: angel,

Roseland was as you said. It was hot it was packed to the gills with people, my feet hurt after the show, I had to fight to get back to the front of the venue...it was the best Stelly Dan concert, period! I'd do it again.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 19:06:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Hoops,

You left a few questions unanswered. Were the Roseland shows all standing only? Were they packed and sweaty? Can short people see the band, if they are in the midst of the crowd, or stuck in the back? How does that all work?

Also, any idea why The Dan might not play some of the "classier" concert venues in NYC?

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 18:55:01 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

I have been to something like 55 or 60 Steely Dan shows. The best four shows I have ever seen were the two in 1995 and the two in 2003 at Roseland Ballroom.

What's wrong with the Beacon? I've only seen Donald Fagen Band there once and not Steely Dan. It's not a bad venue at all...it's just that there are better venues like it. Start with the Chicago Theatre.

Steely Dan at Roseland Ballroom? Absolute magic. I've nary heard a complaint from anyone who has seen Steely Dan there. The band and the audience clicked and it was because of the venue. We thought the first night in 2003 at Roseland was the best ever SD show...then Walter confirmed from the stage that the second night was perhaps the best Steely Dan show ever. It was because of the venue.

I can't comment about other bands as to whether they and their audience clicked at Roseland--nor should those who have never seen SD play there comment based on their other band's bad experiences.

Move along, Killjoys.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 18:41:16 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Regarding Roseland and The Beacon:

Years ago, I went to a small show at Roseland with seats, and it was fine. But, I assume they would have to go with the standing room arrangement for The Dan. And, I agree that a show where you MUST pack all together and stand sucks.

I never liked it much when I was 18, and can't stand it now that I am 50+. It certainly doesn't suit a band of Steely Dan's stature and style.

It's also been a looong time since I was at the Beacon, and I much preferred it, back then. I get the impression it is in some disrepair, now, and I have heard some complaints about the sound.

Now, I assume, on this tour they are getting some great price break to play at the Beacon. But, for the sake of argument (and for the future) what about Carnegie Hall, Avery Fisher or even Radio City Music Hall?

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 18:19:09 ET
Posted by: Roseland Blows, Beacon is magic

I've gathered that a number of DanFans had a great experience some years ago at Roseland. I wasn't there. But I've been to a few shows there. General Admission venues like Roseland SUCK. Seats are great. I like not having to stand in line for hours, only to secure a spot that I have to fight for later if I have to take a piss. Then I have to stand for an entire show. That sucks too. Just because I don't whiteguy dance to the music doesn't mean I'm not enjoying the music as much as those who do. The sound and sightlines at Roseland suck too.

What don't you like about The Beacon. All sections, except for the upper balcony, are sweet. Sound and sightlines wonderful.

I don't get the Beacon-haters on this board.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 16:29:41 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Been Wondering - ?

Why have Donald & Walter given up playing at Roseland. It's such a great venue (I'm sorry, but I cannot stand the Beacon). Even
Madonna is playing Roseland this week for a promo show. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe someone who is is in the music booking business like Mr. Fogel could chime in.

Thanks

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 15:37:15 ET
Posted by: angel,

I have no problem with Walter Becker working with Larry Klein. I own two Rebecca Pidgeon CD's that Larry produced and they are worth the price of admission and as a matter of fact, Walter and Dean Parks worked on some of the cuts.

C$: From what I could hear on those tiny clips, this is NOT 11TOW, but it's DEFINITELY Steely inspired. That's good enough for me. Can't wait!

In sad news for me. My American Express Card just wasn't "Gold" enough for them. Got to wait another week, to get tickets for the Nokia show.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 13:50:50 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Raj: I would agree through Gaucho, when Donald's Yin and Walter's Yang (ouch!) together provide a balance in which true Alchemy could be created. It's not surprising that without Walter, Donald ran into major league writer's block by the time the Nightfly was finished...just when Donald was about to make the jump to a post-modern Cole Porter.

TvN and EMG are certainly very, very good albums, but TvN is really more layered themes than traditional songwriting, with a few exceptions... and Donald's decade long rhythmic obssession appeared to give way to the old melody and chord hound in the last half of EMG and Morph.

However, I'm not certain they are better songwriters together any longer than apart. They probably know it too. Life happens. They'll be plenty more Dan tours and perhaps another solo album or two or three.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 12:33:42 ET
Posted by: One More,

July 25 too.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 12:24:58 ET
Posted by: Looking at the schedule,

July 7 and 8 and Aug 5 or 6 are the only dates left which can be booked without having shows on three consecutive nights.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 12:19:42 ET
Posted by: tonybass, camarillo

Matt- You are right. They need each other, not to put out great music, but to reach that upper Steely Dan plateau. Besides The Nightfly, all of the solo albums have been a step down from the best Steely Dan stuff. Also, despite popular opinion, I don't think that The Nightfly sounds very much like Steely Dan...but I do think that it is the best album by a solo artist... ever. (Stevie Wonder and Sting get honorable mention)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 12:10:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh I gotcha, Matt, and couldn't agree more. They can go it alone just fine, with or without other collaborators. But when you have that kind of working relationship behind all that success, that respect and friendship, both accustomed to making all the compromises that two people who love and care for each other over, jeezus, what is it now, 40 years, well, special things happen. Let's hope for more of the same. A 10th Steely Dan album in 2010.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 11:48:37 ET
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Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 11:47:14 ET
Posted by: matt, chattanooga, TN

Replace that first was with wasn't

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 11:46:34 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

I was trying to imply that Donald needed Walter areound in order to write songs, rather that he seems to be inspired to write by being around Walter in the same way that Walter is inspired to write by being around Donald. I think that both are capable of writing great songs by themselves (It seems like Donald claimed to have written Barrytown by himself and I've been told that Walter wrote The Royal Scam alone as well) but find it more fulfilling to compse in pairs.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 11:20:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Mu-Mu, wouldn't you agree, two is so much more interesting than one as far as songwriting goes. We have only to look behind us a bit to realize that Rogers & Hart, Lennon & McCartney, Gilbert & Sullivan, Gershwin & Gershwin, Gamble & Hough, Leiber & Stoller, Becker & Fagen. It is the rare guy like Dylan, Van or Cole Porter who does it on his own at that high level.

What that is appropos of escapes me just now...

Anyway, C$ is jake. It's special, hello, Walter's coming-out party methinks.

Door N. 2 - Your Gold Teeth piano with a touch of Swing Out Sister

Downtown Canon - Burning from the first bar.

Bob - That would be Marley

Upside - Negative Girl meets Mike McDonald

Paging Audrey - Burt Bacharach

C$ - Bepop lives behind that 2vN sax

Selfish Gene - More Marley, more playful, girls rule

Do You Remember - bit of an experiment here, I reserve judgment

Somebody' Sat Nite - so very Steely Dan

Darkling Down - more Steely Dan

God's Eye View - Haiitian Divorce w-2vN sax

3Pic Deal - calling Josey


It all sounds great, can't wait.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 09:54:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

"Two - Donald (as far as I can ascertain) has never written songs away from Walter. The songs for the Nightfly album were written either during or just after the Gaucho sessions, Kamakiriad was written and recorded with Walter at the helm just after the NYR&SR brought the guys back together, and we know from Donald's comments on Morph that many of those songs were conceived and writing started during the EMG sessions, with Walter opining that the songs were perhaps more suited to a Donald solo album than a Steely one."

Walter was MIA late in the Gaucho sessions due to attempting to occupy the same time and space as a taxicab. Fagen wrote The Nightfly without any input from Walter. Most of the Kama songs were written in the late 80s post-writers' block and aborted 2nd album, with the exception of Snowbound with Walter from the mid-80s, and On the Dunes which was probably written for the aborted solo album. Walter was brought in to produce after virtually all the songs were written.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 09:37:19 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

The suggestion that C$ is somehow indicative of an inadequacy due to the fact that Larry Klein receives co-writing credit on all but one track strikes me as pedantic, in as much as there seems to be an assumption that because Donald Fagen writes an album like Morph the Cat without any songwriting partner, this makes him the obviously better musician. I would counter this by pointing out two things:

One - I don't consider any other artist I admire lesser for using a partner in writing songs. A prime example of this would be the partnership between Warren Zevon and Jorge Calderon. Zevon, having been already established, does not sound as if he is singing anything other than a Warren Zevon song on The Wind, his last studio album, of which the majority of songs were co-written with Calderon. Because I already have an expectation of what Zevon brings to the table, I think of these as Warren Zevon songs, not as Zevon-Calderon songs. The fact that Walter was never the singer for Steely Dan means that it is harder to hear his contributions at times to the Steely Dan sound, and perhaps that opens him up to speculation about exactly what part his contribution was, but I think (IMHO) that three Donald Fagen albums have clearly demonstrated exactly what Walter adds to the mix.

Two - Donald (as far as I can ascertain) has never written songs away from Walter. The songs for the Nightfly album were written either during or just after the Gaucho sessions, Kamakiriad was written and recorded with Walter at the helm just after the NYR&SR brought the guys back together, and we know from Donald's comments on Morph that many of those songs were conceived and writing started during the EMG sessions, with Walter opining that the songs were perhaps more suited to a Donald solo album than a Steely one.

From what I have been lead to believe by talking to supposedly in the know sources, Walter wrote all of the album's songs and outtakes (and quite a few that were never recorded) in the period in which Donald was working on the mixing and mastering of Kamakiriad (again, I have been lead to believe that Kama was an entirely different album when Walter left NY the last time). When he got back to Hawaii, the words just started flowing, which accounts for some of the verbosity on 11 Tracks Sessions (songs like Medical Science jump to mind). If this is indeed true, it stands to reason that many of these songs were as influenced by Donald as Donald's solo stuff is influenced by Walter.

In the end, I'm hoping that the album speaks for itself. I've respected Walter for far too long to think that finding someone to make his album sound like he wants it to sound and is what he wants it to be diminishes him in any way, If the words Becker & Klein in the credits are going to make you enjoy this less than the words Becker & Fagen might, then I would question whether you actually want to have something to enjoy or something to find fault with. Also, both names sound equally like the name of a corner sandwich shop, wo what'sthe problem, really?

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 09:30:10 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,

Agree re: Carlock...the thing I dig about the reggae/dub style most is that it forces Carlock to emphasize fills, offbeats, and a variety of shuffles...a supertight Porcaro style. The monster has been in the straightjacket long enough! [although the Al Jackson, Jr-like work on What I Do and interplay with Krantz on Brite Nightgown were stellar].


Door #2, Downtown Canon, Bob clips sound like the beginnings. Upside Looking Down is the bridge or possibly chorus. Paging Audrey sounds like the end of a verse + chorus. C$ - instrumental interlude + verse. Selfish Gene - end of verse + short chorus + bridge or 2 part chorus. Do you Remember leads to a verse. Somebody's Saturday Night sounds like the end of a instrumental interlude + minibridge? + chorus. God's Eye View has to be a verse. 3 Picture Deal has to be the end of a verse + chorus.

In short, Upside Looking Down and Selfish Gene are the best clip candidates for a bridge or two.


Walt's best bridge is on Slang of Ages. The guitar solo on Junkie is technically not a bridge. Pixeleen and EMG contain classic bridges.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 06:21:36 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Hey Bullgoose, thanks for the love.

Idiosyncratic WB chord movement, indeed.

And bridges. Too soon to sort the bridges from the rest of the song on these C$ clips...but I'll be surprised to hear DF-style bridges, which remind me of bridges in the very best pop songs. For instance, I couldnt have pictured DF coming up with that dreamy, drifting instrumental bridge on Junkie Girl. Not his style.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 04:18:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

OK, that last one wasn't me, whatever.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 03:30:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I mean his voice especial on Track Number 1: "Door#2"

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 02:17:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Never heard Walter's voice sound better. He's actually singing in tune and on time. The clips sound very 2vN.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2008, 00:30:09 ET
Posted by: time WON'T tell,

You can tell CM is good already. It challenges the likes of TVN and Gaucho whose influences can be heard such as Negative Girl, Gaucho title track and Babylon sisters. To make the reggae work with the jazz-rock fusion is alchemy, seemingly impossible but masterfully done on CM.

Walter's body and soul seem to have been POSSESSED by possibly Peter Tosh, and dare I say Bob Marley HIMSELF. Vocally, Walter is able to evoke Boz Scaggs and the lead singer of Looking Glass (Brandy, You're a Fine Girl). Maybe some shades of Elvis Costello. If you give him the right songs as must be done with many famous vocalists, his style can work.

CM is ground-breaking, non-derivative stuff. An amalgam of genre that somehow remains unmistakably Steely.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 22:37:51 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Yeah, Carlock has great reggae feels. He's really the perfect drummer for this album.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 22:10:10 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

"Three Picture Deal" is on the money.....damn fine tune. I am really warming up to the album now....sounds like a winner to me!!!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 21:04:40 ET
Posted by: tonybass, camarillo

WOW! I've been away for a while and I am just hearing the samples of Walter's tunes from C$. My opinion is that the song arrangements, chord choices and production seem to be far superior to 11TOW as far I can tell. Melodically they seem to be very reminiscent of 11TOW; especially God's Eye View. When I say the production seems superior, I'm not talking about the 90's technolgy. Aja was produced brilliantly in the seventies. I'm talking about the ART of production.

Also I LOVE the fact that Walter is playing bass. From what I can tell, he syncs with Carlock much better than Freddie Washington from Morph. The grooves sound phenomenal...reggae and all.

Someone said that it sounds like Al Jarreau...please give me an example of how it sounds like Jarreau. I have every Jarreau album.

As far as Larry Klien goes...I do hear a difference in the way the chords move in C$ as opposed to 11TOW. Maybe Klien did some embellishment here and there to the original Walter compositions but they still seem to be very Becker-esque.

So far I think this album is going to rank up there with the best Steely stuff...but we shall see.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 20:59:55 ET
Posted by: sgirl58, sonora ca

Do we know who the special guest is with SD at the Ironstone concert this summer?
C

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 20:59:01 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston

Enjoying a nice red tonight in honor of Walter from the Becker Vineyards out of Fredericksburg, Texas. Actually not a bad wine considering the locale. Looking forward to 6/10.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 20:58:46 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston

Enjoying a nice red tonight in honor of Walter from the Becker Vineyards out of Fredericksburg, Texas. Actually not a bad wine considering the locale. Looking forward to 6/10.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 20:22:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

update at keithcarlock.com

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 18:51:22 ET
Posted by: pronk!, I would guess I'm in Detroit

April 28 and no Michigan dates? What gives??? Think fast??? @#$!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 18:40:08 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

www.tripadvisor.com is also a good site for hotel info. They have traveler reviews, and a lot of places have photos posted by actual hotel guests, so you see how the hotel really looks. Plus you can get rates from all the online booking services with one click...

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 18:30:52 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Well I've been trying to get relatively decent seats for the 21st of June but Ticketbastard keeps on insisting that they want to sell me crap at $154.00 plus ridiculous fees. I'm trying to be patient and keep checking but they get worse! Do they really sell out the center so fast, or are they just trying to get rid of the shit first?
Any thoughts or ideas?
Fife

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 18:03:24 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path

Thanks, SteelyDoc. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 17:51:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

For those looking for NYC hotel rooms, let me share this:

While I don't like Priceline.com for airline reservations, I have always had GREAT success with NYC hotels. Unless they've changed their system in the past few years, this is how it works:

The way it's set up, you can pick your level of Hotel (my advice is, choose 3 Stars or better) and neighborhood. Pick a level and a group of neighborhoods that suit your needs...BUT, leave some room for revision. If your offer is rejected, you can only make another offer, if you make some changes. You may want to start with 4-stars and one neighborhood and make concessions to 3-stars, and other neighborhoods if your bid isn't accepted.

So, bid low (but not so unreasonable that you know it will be rejected). If your bid is rejected, add $25 and change one parameter. Make small adjustments in parameters and price until your bid is accepted. Obviously, stop before you get to a price you can get on Expedia, or any other travel site. (So, do a little homework, first.)

I have stayed in very nice hotels in NYC for VERY reasonable rates.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 17:37:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

the casino shows usually do NOT have an opener.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 17:17:10 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path

I know that the Sam Yahel Trio is opening for the boys in Camden June 28 because I saw a TV ad explicitly stating that fact. However, I don't see anything jumping out at me as to whether or not there's an opening act at the Borgata the night before. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks. Borgata website doesn't seem to say, just lists Steely Dan, so until I hear otherwise I will assume that's all it is.



Also, in Dangential news...

Saturn Calling Jeff Oster
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/?p=362

Jazz song uses Saturn sounds
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/04/jazz-song-uses-saturn-sounds.html

Jeff Oster's website
http://jeffoster.com/



I mention it only because Mr. Oster fired braking thrusters as he entered orbit around Mizar5, noticed the Dan fervor among the native populace, and informed folks there that one Mr. Keith Carlock played drums on "Saturn Calling" as well as five other tracks from his album "True." You can get the science angle via the New Scientist piece as well as listen to the full "Saturn Calling" which "incorporated the eerie sounds of Saturn's auroras."

You can also hear that song and others via Jeff Oster's website. Sorry, I don't know exactly which tracks KC plays on, but the known one, "Saturn Calling," is pretty good imo. Just thought some folks might enjoy giving it a try.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 16:50:04 ET
Posted by: A. Newley,

The C$ clips sound very good.

Why, oh, why did WB have to share writing credits w/ Larry KLein?

And DON'T tell me about Larry's qualifications - I know he's a fine musician. That's not the point.

Bottom Line (And I'm not trying to be a killjoy here): WB apparently needed someone else to write the songs - however great they are (which hurts even more, because you've to wonder - How much did Larry contribute to the greatness?)period.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 16:45:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzman, Frederick MD

Boston Rag,

The orchestra section at the Beacon goes from AA to DD then A to Z then ZZ at the back. If you go to the Beacon website and click on seating there is a detailed seating chart that you can click on.

We got row M seats 32-34 for the 21st. Way at the side but oh well.

Colin

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 16:24:10 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Work

www.expedia.com is a good website for hunting for hotel packages. I've used it a million times before and found some good stuff in the city on that site.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 16:21:54 ET
Posted by: NY Hotels, New York

Check out the new Pod Hotel. I saw a story about it on the news. Cheap if you don't like excess. http://www.thepodhotel.com/

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:46:00 ET
Posted by: The web is your friend, USA

People seeking hotel advice in NYC -

Go to either

http://travel.yahoo.com/ (click on hotel tab)

or

http://hotels.com

plug in the city, dates etc.

You will find a comprehensive list of hotels that can be sorted by price, location, amenities etc. Even if you don't want to book online, this will at least give you an idea of which hotels to call. Keep in mind you may not get the same price if you book directly.

A quick search shows hotels for the weekend of June 20-21 starting around $240 a night. If you are flying, you may get a better deal if you book your room with your flight.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:30:26 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer and Craig,

Thanks Gus

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:30:07 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Still totes stoked

Oh, Denise, the loge is just fine for seating. Sometimes a loge seat is better than an orchestra seat, a little closer, higher up, sure, but a good view of the whole band and decent sound. Where in the loge are you?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:28:34 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Work

CHRIS CHEEK?!?!? Chris Cheek is opening for the Dan at Beacon?!?! I'm squealing with delight like a teeny bopper at a David Cassidy concert over here. That is totes the highlight of my afternoon, thanks for the info, Hoops!

SteelyDana, you can email me at girlmargaret AT aol DOT com

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:11:49 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, El Segundo, CA

To Zitomeyer and not blind,

The Pala date on Ticketmaster has been disappearing and reappearing frequently during the last two weeks; as of a few minutes ago it was not there. I won't bother to speculate on the possible reasons; your guess is as good as mine. At least the date is still open and they are still adding dates, so I remain optimistic.

GW

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 15:07:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Steely Dana--

This was just mentioned on NYC@dandom mail list: If you're just coming in for 6/21, stay downtown rather than near the Beacon. That way you won't have to head all the way back up town at 4 am after the post show festivities at the Bitter End.

Look for more action on the Danfest lists later in the week.

Jim

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 14:54:16 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,

Bill: Walter's more on key with less warbling in the semi-falsetto range. Absolutely nails the vocals on the Downtown Canon clip. Upside Looking Down and Paging Audrey (Hepburn?) finds Walter in sync-lock with the babe choir in the upper register. My daughter and I are still in shock ;)

Audrey is destined to be an epic track.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 14:45:00 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana,

Girl Margaret:
Could you suggest some "fairly inexpensive" NYC lodging near the Beacon Theater ( does such a thing exist??)? We will be there for the June 21 show and would appreciate any advice you might like to share. Thanks....

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 14:00:44 ET
Posted by: Denise, cubicle

Hey all,

Got tix for the Beacon in the Loge section right in the center. Anyone who has been in the loge at this venue care to comment on the seats? Thanks.

I keep going back to WB's web page to listen to the Circus Money clip. I just love it.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 13:10:47 ET
Posted by: Casual fan, Orlando, no really

Hey Dean (The):

In re: the dub reference.....

Oh. Okay. Thanks. I probably shoulda known that as Bob is Not Your Uncle Anymore sounded to me as though it was Haitian Divorce from the Pine Knob show.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 13:01:32 ET
Posted by: Impressions, CM = CM

I've been going crazy since the clips came out sunday to place what Walter's voice sounds like. I just got it: CURTIS MAYFIELD! Ok, at least in spots. Downtown Canon a good example.

Can I get a witness?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 13:00:57 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, throw back the little ones

Hey BR, try this. http://www.beacontheatrenyc.com/seating/index.html

It helped me get it...alas, still no great seats. BTW, let GirlMargaret know if you are in need of accommodations!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:49:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Hoops,

I did NOT see the new Beacon info, until you posted it. Bill Charlap Trio! That's freakin' awesome.



And, Casual Fan...Al Jarreau? Really? I don't hear it, but I don't listen to very much Jarreau. As for "What's with all the reggae?", clearly you haven't been reading this forum, lately.

Google Walter Becker dub music, and you will find out "What's with all the reggae".

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:43:27 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh, with the facts on the ground

Walter has a song called "Door Number Two". Quasi-label mate Jimmy Buffett has this: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Jimmy-Buffett/Door-Number-Three.html. Coincidence?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:34:16 ET
Posted by: Casual fan, Kingston

My first three thoughts when listening to the clips of C$:

1) What's with all the reggae?

2) Reminds me of Al Jarreau.

3) Lots of keyboards. Interesting.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:29:41 ET
Posted by: lozza, liverpool uk

just booked tickets for sat 21st june dream come true to see the dan in new york look forward to meeting up with some of you guys in the big apple .

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:29:01 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .

Can anyone explain the row layout at the Beacon? Does ochestra go AA-ZZ and them A-Z? Why don't they have single letter rows on the chart? That's all I get when I try and pull up a ticket.

Thanks!

Mark in Boston

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:24:00 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

As some of you have no doubt seen, good to see the variety of opening acts for SD's stand, as posted at

http://www.beacontheatre.com


* June 13th & 14th with special guest The Bill Charlap Trio
* June 17th & 18th with special guest The Chris Cheek Group
* June 20th with special guest The Sam Yahel Organ Trio

Jim

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 12:14:59 ET
Posted by: not blind, but maybe incomplete

go to the second page of shows at TM -- they're both still there! Scared me for a min

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 11:58:31 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer, Am I blind

Ticketbastards have taken Pala and Anaheim off...it was just there this morning WTF

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 11:51:05 ET
Posted by: needs no beano, deano

deano - you are right as rain. (i really don't know what that means, but it is raining).

however, i would put a link on the mailboat site to CM if i were them. the more they sell the more they make. si?

¿anybody have a kaosillator?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 11:49:00 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,

However it was composed, arranged and recorded, CM sounds like another fine installment in the SD canon based on my first listen to the clips. Can't wait. In a blindfold test, if you asked anyone with knowledge of SD who the instrumental segments sound like, they'd immediately say SD, don't you think? Probably the prominent phased Rhodes piano as much as anything.

Makes me wish (again) that 11TOW had been more fully produced with live drums on all tracks. Also, I think there is a certain darkness/moodiness that WB brings which doesn't appear as much in DF's solo work (one exception - Mary Shut The Garden Door, my current favorite from Morph).

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 11:40:32 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Apparently Brian Sweet's book has been updated to include "Morph." My older version only goes up to "Two Against Nature," but I think I'll wait now for the "Circus Money" update down the road.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/04/28/010800.php

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 11:25:16 ET
Posted by: Joshua, OC

Is it true you must pay for tickets using an AMEX card in order to take advantage of the AMEX internet presale????

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 10:59:44 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Zeus,

I'm curious, are you talking about Circus Money? If so, to what record label are you referring?

CM is an independent production, and is being promoted on WB's website. Mailboat is distributing the record (on another label), but the record isn't a Mailboat product and Walter isn't a Mailboat artist, as far as I know. He certainly doesn't fit their portfolio (with the possible exception of Boz Scaggs).

I can't see fans of Jimmy (all you can eat) Buffett, or the insufferable Chris Isaak, flocking to hear Walter's stuff...but, who knows? It's nice to see that Dan Fogelberg is still alive, though.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 10:05:48 ET
Posted by: hazee, just say no to chopsticks

i'm lucky that the asian restaurants around here are so nice that we go there to eat - no take out.

go, sit down, get waited on, have a nice meal; brown rice, jasmine tea - you know - civilized. 7 bucks with tip. heaven.

i hear the sound of the train in the distance. save me a seat at the bar, deano.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/222.html

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 09:56:25 ET
Posted by: hail zeus, with gifts

NOTHING worse than a killjoy, or a record company that has nothing about a product that it will distribute in a month on its website.


joni = createjoy

monday = buzzkill

bush = killkill

¿have you seen pixeleen on the esurrance commercials?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 09:54:22 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

Update at the Lads site: Vegas

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 09:45:11 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,

"Based on short clips, I'm disgusted that people can speculate with any intelligence that Walter did or didn't do stuff on the album. It's pretty disrespectful. I'd wager you kind of people are the sort of "kill joys" referred to in the lyrics page on wb.com"

I'm pretty sure Walter ordered all the Chinese takeout.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 08:49:00 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, thinking in WaltWorld

fantabulous hearing some of the new Beckerian Artwork. (Walterian? not so much)
definitely hear the backbeat dub
what would Circus Money In Your Soul sound like?

remember, Jim Beard is a heavy, and contributed a bit to this record, so any jazzvoicings, etc. MIGHT be his influence/hand.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 08:47:22 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Las Vegas and Tucson dates added at steelydan.com

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 05:09:24 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweewt home bonalbo australia

Hey Chris and Incredulous

From what I've heard on the clips the chord movement is idiosyncratic and not reminiscent of Donald.
I, for one, welcome the added lushness. Am I so wrong to enjoy hearing the sweet girls singing (lushly) "bastards" at one point in one of the clips?
This takes the bastard total to three when we include Everything You Did and This Moody Bastard. Is it indicative of a general walterian gruffness or perhaps some deeper hurt?

SS, as usual, speaks true.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 03:18:53 ET
Posted by: ps, ...

make that track 11: Whatever It Takes.

a GENUINE Steely Vibe

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 03:14:35 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar5, Wake Up, Smell the Coffee (Duke)

Hi Chris, yeah me too, i like that segment even better now having heard it a few times. makes me wonder what else there is to discover. as far as is able to tell from these samples, there are plenty of 'moments' and details one can listen to over and over when the album is out. it's what came to mind too, this is an album that has this 'enhanced' listening experience label all over it, so many little stuff one can't grasp in a single stroke. still, it can blow away in just a single moment, i suspect.

also, i'm particularly interested in how NEW audiences will conceive mr. Becker's creativeness.
the way Steely Dan fans (in here and other forums) discuss new releases is pretty much the same, isn't it? so i hope to come across some nice cyberstories once the album is out, will be nice hunting :-)

some of it also made me think of George Duke, who captured something essential in his 2000 'Cool' album, vibes i missed for a long time in 'new' music and 'new' artists. the kind of soul, jazzy, r&b latin vibe of the 70s, early 80s maybe. but mainly the second half of the 70s. so i looked for the Duke albums and am enjoying his groovy 'Cool' stuff now :-)

he writes and sings about roots, in 'Ancient Source'.

i got a few hours to 'kill' before work beckons, so it had me wonder. how the sound or use of a particular instrument evokes memories of certain eras in musical time, history. like the 'Wurly' in Georg Wadenius' video, as Brutus Charisma stated.

and it's in the accentuation, eh?
which had me think of THIS magnificent song. maybe best known by Bing Crosby

AC-CENT-TCHU-ATE THE POSITIVE (Mister-In-Between)
(Johnny Mercer / Harold Arlen)

You've got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between

You've got to spread joy up to the maximum
Bring gloom down to the minimum
Have faith or pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene

(To illustrate his last remark
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they do
Just when everything looked so dark)

Man, they said we better
Accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between
No, do not mess with Mister In-Between
Do you hear me, hmm?

(Oh, listen to me children and-a you will hear
About the elininatin' of the negative
And the accent on the positive)
And gather 'round me children if you're willin'
And sit tight while I start reviewin'
The attitude of doin' right

(You've gotta accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between)

You've got to spread joy (up to the maximum)
Bring gloom (down) down to the minimum
Otherwise (otherwise) pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene

To illustrate (well illustrate) my last remark (you got the floor)
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they say (what did they say)
Say when everything looked so dark

Man, they said we better
Accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between
No! Don't mess with Mister In-Between

and i agree with Hoops, this C$ seems to pick up where 11TOW left us stranded at the zero crossing. aching for more. it's here now.

George Duke nodded to Steely Dan in track 10, 'All About You'.
also said so on his website at the time, liner notes.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 00:33:29 ET
Posted by: Randy, Edmonton

I've decided to go to the NYC show on 21 June 2008, and SueDave kindly secured me tix for the 30/31 July shows in Seattle. Now to determine how to GET to Seattle for those shows...

Thanks - Randy

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 00:15:38 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One,

Love what I hear so far, can't wait to hear more....not to mention having the opportunity to catch up with my Steely sistas and brothers very soon!


XOXOXO

Date: Mon, April 28, 2008, 00:04:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, catching up

"Incrediulous":

Another post which I have to wonder if it's sarcastic.

From what I understand, Donald had no or next to no involvement with this album.

Based on short clips, I'm disgusted that people can speculate with any intelligence that Walter did or didn't do stuff on the album. It's pretty disrespectful. I'd wager you kind of people are the sort of "kill joys" referred to in the lyrics page on wb.com

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 23:58:13 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

When I saw someone posted asking "What do we know about Larry Klein?" I thought it was sarcasm--but then I realized it wasn't. Larry's been mentioned -- alluded to or discussed -- in almost 100 posts in the past six years--over half in the period before it was announced that Klein was working with Walter. Given how Walter and Donald --especially Walter-- are such Joni Mitchell wonks (like myself)--it seemed inevitable that Larry would be involved with Walter at some part.

Madeline Peyroux, Joni Michell, Herbie Hancock's last one, Peter Gabriel and on and on.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 23:36:24 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

What do we know about Larry Klein? Well, start with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Klein

and, then, Google is your friend, you know. He isn't exactly an unknown.


And, I hate to be contrary, but 11 TOW is FAR superior to Alive in America and all of the fake-Dan releases, IMO.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:52:26 ET
Posted by: Kirk, NorCal

At this rate, we'll have enough for a mini-DanFest in Murphys.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:50:25 ET
Posted by: let's not get carried away here,

CM seems to be solid record, we need to hear more.

Use of the word genius at this point is also a bit unfair. Moving up from 11TOW, the worst record in the SD pantheon and a poor recording in general is like going from an F to a C or possibly a B from what we can tell does not qualify as Genius. Maybe DF has gone undercover and is being a big man toward WB without trying to get credit.

What do we know about this guy Larry Klein? What else has he done?

If Klein isn't a pseudonym for DF and he can do this magic with WB he is the real Genius and maybe both WB and DF should keep using him for any of their future records.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:49:33 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Those bits from the new WB album sound like an extension of 11 Tracks. A very welcome more-of-the-same. I recall someone here months ago (might have been Tonybass) defending sameness in the DF sound by calling it a 'style.' Soon, we'll get a better chance to identify a WB solo style.

What little I've heard of CirCus Money conjures some images of 11 Tracks, which I always thought was difficult enough to fit under one catch-all label. Obvious immediate differences on CirCus Money, based on some clips I've heard twice, are the drumming, and an acoustic piano and the way backup singers are used.

I suppose production techniques are a a style too, and if that's so, a lot of people weren't happy with the drum machines and synths on 11 Tracks. But I never thought those choices took away from the impact of the songs. I think the demo 'Lies I Can Believe' is particularly moody and effective just the way it is...fuzzy, white noise background and all.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:21:33 ET
Posted by: race911, Oakland

More thanks to Kirk! After getting a mass email from ilike (which I only vaguely remember installing) I find the link to ticket sales requires the passcode. Grr..... So now I have four second row, and this will actually be my first time seeing them live after getting The Royal Scam as a teenager over 30 years ago!

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:11:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Chris,

I completely agree and think that Incred's post (and the earlier one by H. David) are simply cheap shots at Walter.

Question, though: Is it confirmed that Klein was involved with the writing of every song? As the website only gives a global credit: "Songs by Walter Becker and Larry Klein", I'm wondering if that isn't a convenient catchall, for now. Unless there is info to the contrary, I wouldn't be surprised if some individual songs might have only the Walter Becker credit. (Of course, I also won't be surprised if they co-wrote all the songs.)

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 22:01:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Incredulous, I don't really think that's a fair point ... it's fair to ask how big a role Larry Klein had, since he co-wrote all the songs, but I don't really think it makes any sense to assume Donald ghost wrote the songs.

Personally, I think 11TOW is just as genius (assuming this album is as genius as the sound clips imply); it just often gets lost because of its stripped back/early 90s drum machine and synth sound. I would guess Walter needed Larry Klein as a liaison between him and the other musicians, and he likely contributed some musical ideas along the way.

Gina - Nice point about "Three Picture Deal" and the backup singers. Didn't notice that at first. Don't have my keyboard set up to check, but it sounds like the band is playing a major chord and girls are singing a half diminished chord? Kind of a strange choice, but I like it.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 20:56:35 ET
Posted by: Incredulous,

CirCus Money is so good that it will take some convincing that it was all Walter. Kind of like when a major league pitcher hits one out of the stadium this record is off the charts coming out of Walt.

Definitely hearing some Donald in there some Nightfly sounds.

Maybe it took so long to come out was that Donald had to be available to help Walt with his homework.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 20:34:55 ET
Posted by: sgirl58, northern ca

Looking forward to see SD at Ironstone in Murphys CA this summer!

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 20:27:09 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Thanks to the Dean

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 20:18:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Bikeman,

The clips are on the main page of walterbecker.com.

Click on the red speaker, where it says "Listen to Circus Money"

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 20:04:56 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

If I may ask,,,,Where can I hear some of these clips from Walter??

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 18:16:12 ET
Posted by: warrenk,

I'm obsessed with "Do You Remember The Name." I hope that's one of the tracks they release in full before the cd release. Besides the whole aura of the tune that I really dig, the band feels really loose, really embracing the reggae feel. Carlock finally opens up a bit too, instead of the regular "boom chick boom chick" that I feel has rendered a good portion of the New-Testament sterile.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 18:01:29 ET
Posted by: H. David,

RE: C$ - as Devil's Advocate: Did WB really NEED Larry Klein to co-compose these songs? DF didn't/doesn't need any (or very little) assistance in composing cogent and meaningful songs.

Personally I'm surprised that WB didn't realize how vulnerable (or maybe he did and doesn't really care) he would be to ridicule concerning the above point.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 17:28:17 ET
Posted by: hoops, passing through on the quick

Finally had a chance to listen to the C$ (love the moniker) excerpts AFTER I first read a few of the comments here.

It sounds like it picks up where 11TOW left off. Where 11TOW had certain elements contemporary to 1993-94, C$ has certain elements contemporary to 2007/08. From what I have heard, I could see it being called "More Tracks of Whack".

That said, I don't see how some of you can have such formed opinions of these tracks having only hear snippets. At the same time, some of the points are dead on.

Anyhow, I loved 11TOW and can't wait for 6/10-- hope it's sooner somehow!

Gotta run!

Jim

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 15:58:49 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar5, C$ Mountain

tried to refrain from dropping a comment when i came here earlier today, but Fife already channeled my thoughts (grin), exactly, although i wouldn't know about the rear end and such.
scroll down far enough and you see how smitten people are :-)

Haitian Divorce was the song that reeled me in back then, to hear the C$ samples is kind of similar, with the difference i now know who and what etc.

Do You Remember The Name is very Bowie-esque, the way WB sings. lovely. just lovely.
(got the samples on repeat now, how very considerate to have a button like that, been walking about with the chordless headphones and it just all flows and flows and flows. lovely)

What attracted me in 11TOW and now this C$, is the skipping dimensions thang.

Three Picture Deals has stuff in the backing vocals, i'm no musician so all i can hear is these notes the grrls sing, it's not off key, but kind of feels like a cat stretching its claws on the window pane. not cold, but daring :-) when they sing THREE

Upside Looking Down... LOVE the vocals.
has a little Rickie Lee Jones/Pirates feel to it as well in
"as the sky is turning black" etc

Paging Audrey is a song i can easily imagine with a HUGE big band.
but this version is very lush, with 70s soul-r&b-hula little ditties stuff on it, warm and fat indeed.
as mr Beard said it was.

"knock my skyline down" :-)

and Walter CAN sing. he can deliver. there's electricity in his phrasing. a lot of warmth in his voice.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 14:32:37 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,

TicketMaster (online and on the phone) had only single seats available for Mountain Winery this morning at 10am. Went to LiveNation online and was able to purchase five together.

Looking forward to the summer tour and Walter's new record.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 13:30:38 ET
Posted by: The Wicked Librarian, Left Coast

Connie in the vineyard, call me NOW

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 11:33:52 ET
Posted by: Tonee Canarabarara, VI,

Well, it's nice to know that Walter's staying true to form by including the words "fuck" and "bastard" in a few of the songs from C$.

Although I'm somewhat disappointed he hasn't graduated to using vulgar words to describe parts of the anatomy on his "new one".

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 11:02:12 ET
Posted by: Stephen Dedaleus, Dublin

There is 1 message in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Steely Dan Trivia
From: stephenvincent


Message
________________________________________________________________________
1. Steely Dan Trivia
Posted by: "stephenvincent" stephenvincent@yahoo.com stephenvincent
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:39 am ((PDT))

Just some fun for the weekend......Steely Dan trivia! Deep from the
memory of the most seasoned 'Dan Scholars.

1.After leaving Steely Dan, vocalist David Palmer collaborated with
which famous singer-songwriter?

A.) Carly Simon
B.) Carole King
C.) Sheryl Crow

2. While in college which famous comedian-actor played drums for Fagen
and Becker?

A.) John Belushi
B.) Steve Martin
C.) Chevy Chase

3. Which college did Fagen and Becker attend in New York state?

A.) SUNY Albany
B.) Bard
C.) School of Hard Knocks

4. In a 1979 interview Walter Becker compared the original Steely Dan
to which famous sixties band?

A.) The Beatles
B.) The Grateful Dead
c.) Three Dog Night

5. In 2000 Steely Dan performed live on which network morning show?

A.) Live with Regis & Kathy Lee
B.) The Today Show
C.) Good Morning Des Moines

6. Since 1981 Donald Fagen has issued a solo disc, once every...

A.) Month
B.) Year
C.) Decade

7. Steely Dan's biggest hit single on Billboard's chart was..

A.) Rikki Don't Lose That Number
B.) Deacon Blues
C.) Sun Mountain

8. In the 1980's Becker produced two albums by...

A.) Haircut 100
B.) China Crisis
C.) Frankie Goes To Hollywood

9. True or False- Donald Fagen appeared on the Little Rascals as a
baby named "Lil Donny"?

10. True or False- Walter Becker is the uncle of tennis great Boris
Becker?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 10:25:04 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Well...now that I have listen to the clips a few times, it's getting better and better.....this will definitely be a great listen once I snatch it up on June 10th!

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 10:20:46 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Ha Ha,
if you had bothered to scroll down the blue you would have seen a lot of positive posts about Walt's new album and the sound clips. I can assure you there are a ton of us that are anxiously awaiting for Circus Money to be released. Get your head out of your arse and stop talking shit.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 10:18:47 ET
Posted by: josh44800, LA, CA

Anyone willing to provide the Amex presale password for the Nokia Theatre show in LA on 7/23?!? :-)

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 09:26:04 ET
Posted by: DimSkip, Eternal Path

Another Steely ref in the title of the space .com image of the day for April 24...

Can You Show Me the Shine of Your Japan
http://www.space.com/imageoftheday//image_of_day_080424.html

Digging the Walter clips so farl, BTW.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 07:35:25 ET
Posted by: Tangentially Dan, the states

Those attending the Chicago Theater show may be interested to know that the final scene of the movie Chicago takes place there. Good exterior shot, although I don't believe the interior shots were actually filmed there.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=luef1H24hU8

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 06:47:56 ET
Posted by: 44 days to go, UK release date?

Ann:

From walterbecker.com

"The official North American Release Date is June 10.
(International dates to follow)."

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 03:59:29 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Not a lot of Walter Becker fans, 'ere. Pity.

Can't say I'm surprised.

Can say that I'm consistently disappointed.

You mugs do know that one half of Steely Dan just put clips of his forthcoming solo album online, right?

Or are you more interested in the parties surrounding a concert where you get to hear "Peg" again?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:53:41 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - and HOT!

Oh Hell's teeth!! Am I getting pi**ed off with all the happenings that are going on and I can't be there this year....unless there's a sudden decision to hit Europe or Asia. Maybe Dan Karma will come my way next year. Until then, it's good old Manchester in July for the Off-Spring's graduation (has it really been 3 years already??).

I've been out of the loop for a while due to work pressure and the crappiest internet connection of any country in the world - up-and-down every day for the last 3 months So can anyone tell me if there's been a UK release date for Circus Money?

A very tangential occurrence this week - only in that it was a young American lad involved (Embassy staff's kid) - and that it might summarise what some Dan Fans do in concert intervals (sorry Hoops, but it may bring a little lighthearted interlude to the current frenzy of excitement!!). It was a school's play performed in a public hall here. At the start of the show, The MC, a gorgeous but very un-street-wise, God-fearing grade 7 lad requested the audience to turn off their cell phones and informed them that half-way through there would be a 15 minutes intercourse. Wow!! What you Americans get up to at shows!!

:-)

Peace to all!

Ann

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:53:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Sorry about the repeat.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:47:07 ET
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Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:43:46 ET
Posted by: I Got The News, .

Thanks Fife. Sad story. Connie posted the same wire story to the Blue a couple of hours ago.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:34:13 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, SLC

Thank you Kirk. Hope to see you at the concert.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2008, 00:02:29 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

I found this and it discusses the use of medical marijuana and the denial for organ transplants if needed. The fellow in the story is a musician, lead singer for Nearly Dan. It's too sad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080426/ap_on_re_us/medical_marijuana_transplants

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 21:49:12 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, one row behind Connie ; )

Kirk ~ A thousand thank you's for crackin' the code with cabfranc. I had made up a list of possible presale code words to try, and I had cabernet and franc but not cabfranc. Our seats are truly awesome for the price and we really appreciate your help.

Ironstone Vineyards is a remarkable place. Been there several times for tastings and to visit the huge piece of crystalline/fillagree gold and the interesting 49'er goldrush museum, plus to enjoy the intense show of spring daffodils, tulips, and half-barrels full of assorted brightly-colored flowering bulbs, but haven't caught a show there yet. It is fitting that Steely Dan will be the first Ironstone show for me at this beautiful spot in the Sierra foothills. It's going to be a great summer!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 20:22:01 ET
Posted by: Kirk, NorCal

Nice score, Connie. See you at the concert.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 20:19:41 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Thank you Kirk!!!

Section A, Row 2 right up there with the Silver people.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 19:52:16 ET
Posted by: Kirk, norCal

Pre-sale code for Ironstone concert is "'cabfranc" (without the quotes).

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 19:40:26 ET
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Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 19:34:05 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Re: Lead singer in Nearly Dan - a Steely Dan cover band in Seattle.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=health&id=20080426/4812a8c0_3ca6_1552620080426626672024

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 18:07:43 ET
Posted by: impressed, especially if he really did it with no help from Donald

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 17:25:23 ET
Posted by: whackedby11trax, Uptown Baby

Man oh Man Walter! Any feelings I might have had to give up the dance and check out of this life before June, well Sir, you have put those to bed with these delicious snippets of musical ear candy. I'm loving it, loving it, loving it. Life can be so good sometimes.....

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 17:10:27 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Mark,

lol That double post below is really annoying!! I left the building...for awhile and accidentally hit the send button upon return. Guess I got overexcited - the stuff really sounds great!

Don't have any pull for the full. Hearing soundscapes is a blessed curse...I'll try not to infect to many with the Deja Spoilers...lol

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 17:04:14 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

To be honest I'm not a big fan of a good bit of 11 ToW. Sure, the interlude on Book of Liars is miraculous, the dueling lines of Lucky Henry deliciously insane, the bottom of Cringemaker badass, the swank of Hard Up Case eviscerating, the guitar solo in Junkie Girl refreshing as water in a desert, Hat too Flat entertainingly esoteric...but Girlfriend is the only complete song. The earscape a little too dry to me. Down at the Bottom is too repetitive and My Waterloo is probably the most irritating song. By any artist. Ever.

So while ironically, Walter plays the reggae/Jamaican card heavily the sound is a smoother, yet sassier version of Slang of Ages. Beard's keys, the babe choir, the soundscape full of clever ideas are key for most of the album. Walter's vocals are dry and flat, but always best with a live-ish band.

and TGF Real Live Drumming!!!


Door Number Two has that "Arabian Thing" going. Very nice. Jazzy. Sexy. Sassy.

Downtown Canon - very nice Rhodes. Walter actually singing IN TUNE! Superb.

Bob - Walter plays the Jamaican bottom straight and it works.

Upside - Very full. Reminds me of Rikki Lee Jones a bit. Understated Beard piano - Floyd Cramer-esque.

Paging Audrey - pretty sophisticated for Walter. Staircase, Fagenesque chords. Really nice guitar work here. Walter hits the groove.

Circus Money - might end up being my favorite track. A little New Orleans funk w/ NYC fusion.

Selfish Gene - a twisted up Eye to Eye sound...the Jamaican thing working for Walter here.

Do You Remember - My Waterloo II? Saved by real drumming & rhythm section.

Somebody's Saturday Night - sassy and strong.


Darkling Down has a great guitar line and sax but it and particularly God's Eye View (also nice sax work) sound a bit too much like outtakes from 11ToW. Three Picture Deal rescues us to finish the album with a hopeful ending.

The first half of the album seems much stronger, but overall a considerably stronger album than 11 ToW.


Door Number Two, Downtown Canon, Paging Audrey, Circus Money, Three Picture Deal are early favs

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 16:48:33 ET
Posted by: suedave, sunny skies everywhere

WOW is almost right, holy fuck might be apropos considering its effect - I want it now!

I can't wait to find out what's behind door #2. What a fun way to open an album. Other highlights for me are Selfish Gene and Circus Money and Do You Remember the Name. The whole thing sounds luscious with some fun effects on top of that reggae bass line. Yummy.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 16:17:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, The Circus is in town!

What a day! Bright sunny skies! New Walter snippets. The Pats are on the draft clock. The Sox and Celtics play tonight. It's sensory overload!

The soundclips are nice and plush! Somebody's Saturday Night sounds like it might have a great chorus a la Hat Too Flat. Can't wait to hear more.

Doc Mu - that's a pretty detailed review for 30-60 second clips. Do you have a copy of the CD? You did the same thing for EMG. Kind of annoying.

Mark in Boston

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 16:14:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Hot & Sunny

Thanks for the sneak peek
of Circus Money! It was
the perfect little taste
of new funk to get me ready
for the rare Sly & The Family
Stone show at the House Of
Blues on the Sunset Strip at
11PM tonight.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 15:40:38 ET
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Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 14:47:18 ET
Posted by: µ , oops

Downtown Canon= Downtown code

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 14:37:35 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

To be honest I'm not a big fan of a good bit of 11 ToW. Sure, the interlude on Book of Liars is miraculous, the dueling lines of Lucky Henry deliciously insane, the bottom of Cringemaker badass, the swank of Hard Up Case eviscerating, the guitar solo in Junkie Girl refreshing as water in a desert, Hat too Flat entertainingly esoteric...but Girlfriend is the only complete song. The earscape a little too dry to me. Down at the Bottom is too repetitive and My Waterloo is probably the most irritating song. By any artist. Ever.

So while ironically, Walter plays the Waterloo reggae/Jamaican card heavily the sound is a smoother, yet sassier version of Slang of Ages. Beard's keys, the babe choir, the soundscape full of clever ideas are key for most of the album. Walter's vocals are usually dry and flat, but always best with a live-ish band like this album.

...and TGF Real Live Drumming!!! Kudos to the sax. Sheppard or Weiskopf?


Door Number Two has that "Arabian Thing" going. Very nice. Jazzy. Sexy. Sassy.

Downtown Code - very nice Rhodes. Walter actually singing IN TUNE! Superb.

Bob - Walter plays the Jamaican bottom straight and it works.

Upside - Very full. Reminds me of Rikki Lee Jones a bit. Understated Beard piano - Floyd Cramer-esque.

Paging Audrey - pretty sophisticated for Walter. Staircase, Fagenesque chords. Really nice guitar work here. Walter hits the groove.

Circus Money - might end up being my favorite track. A little New Orleans funk w/ NYC fusion.

Selfish Gene - a twisted up Eye to Eye sound...the Jamaican thing working for Walter here.

Do You Remember - My Waterloo II? Saved by real drumming & rhythm section.

Somebody's Saturday Night - sassy and strong.


Darkling Down has a great guitar line and sax but it and particularly God's Eye View (also nice sax work) sound a bit too much like outtakes from 11ToW.

Three Picture Deal rescues us to finish the album with a hopeful ending.

The first half of the album seems much stronger, but overall a considerably more souped up album than 11 ToW.


Paging Audrey, Upside Looking Down, Door Number Two, Downtown Canon, Circus Money, Three Picture Deal are early favorites. We'll hear them in full splendor soon enough.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 14:15:54 ET
Posted by: moray eel, star

"Do You Remember The Name" sounds like David Bowie...

m.e.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 12:52:26 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Several of these clips remind me of a blend between "My Waterloo" and "This Moody Bastard". Good feel ...

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 12:35:15 ET
Posted by: Denise, home from vacation

Am loving the title track especially...very nice Walt!

Last night having a drink in a bar called Rudi's in Portsmouth NH, I looked up at the framed art on the wall and there was an Alive in America poster signed by D&W. Apparently Rudi was a bigwig at a recored company and has alot of autographed photos, etc. of his clients.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 12:31:34 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Wow I'm loving CirCus Money already. It sure is sexy. I remember reading a survey that suggested that reggae appeals more to women then men. Is it true? I haven't a clue but I do know it turns me on! Is it June yet????
Fife

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 12:29:16 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Running off to join the cirCus

W O W!

#1 - Darkling Down

#2 - Do You Remember the Name


This is gonna be good.....



KC

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 11:53:44 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Home

OH FUCK Walter....these snippets are amazing, I feel like if I were to hear the entire cd now I couldn't handle it. This is definately not what I was expecting to hear, definately a breakaway from 11TOW, sounds a little closer to SD but with a twist. Fuck, Walter is so edgy. I'm so in love.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 11:27:37 ET
Posted by: Phat, word up

rumour on the street is that walter is going to make the multitracks from 11TOW available for fans to remix ala radiohead.

stay tuned!!

world piece,

Phat

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 11:15:49 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

THIS is what I had hoped 11TOW would be. The soundclips are phenomenal. Wonderful production and engineering, very lush and warm. I'm not much of a reggae guy normally, but I'm digging this feel. Walter's voice sounds surprisingly full and rich as well. And great songwriting, as to be expected. I can't wait until 6/10!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 11:08:56 ET
Posted by: HHHHHZZZZZ, getting there

what we do know:

sounds damn great.

walt is singing great

production value is WAY up over 11T

dig the bass on god eye

reggae still sux but in WBs hands - not so bad

im a little worried about my quatloos

the signature guitar WILL be able to create more sounds than plink plink plink

can't wait til june - must send pirate ship over to mailboat and commandeer a coupla cases for the BLUE beards

starting a savings account for money to follow the wb tour later this year.

god bless america and parts of italy; easter island

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 10:42:29 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

After listening to about 4 am last night, I woke up an hour ago and have been listening to the same clips over and over again ever since.

How in the HELL are we supposed to wait until 6-10?

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 10:34:43 ET
Posted by: A. Bierce,

Yes, Pete Fogel is zee man!!!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 10:31:22 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston

This is not what I expected at all. But I like it.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 10:29:45 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

OK....just went through the clips.....lots of interesting material. Though it hasn't "hooked" me, I'm sure with more listens, I'll find something to grab onto. "Three Picture Deal" definitely had radio appeal. I'm just glad to have new material to lend my ear to!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 10:19:11 ET
Posted by: TJ, DK

And how are we supposed to wait more than a month for this beauty to arrive. Hate sound clips....

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 09:44:10 ET
Posted by: Just, woke up

Wow is right! Nice job, Walter.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 09:19:58 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, Charlotte

Wow. This is so much different than 11TOW... so far these clips are reminding me of 2AN, in fact.

"Downtown Canon" is gonna be hot! If there's a single, that's it. "Paging Audrey" and "3 Picture Deal" are sounding pretty interesting also.

Looking forward to June already...

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 08:33:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

I can never tell much from these short samples. I couldn't tell squat about TvN based on the 30 second clips supplied before its release.

But, I must say I like what I hear, so far, from many of these clips. Dunno if that is bad or good, really.

:#)

Anyone else think Downtown Canon sounds a little Boz Scaggs-esque?

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 08:20:40 ET
Posted by: Gary, Atlanta

'Paging Audrey' is my early favorite.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 06:13:47 ET
Posted by: Geoff, myspace.com/saddesign

Oh fuck Walter, you've done again! ***** I can't wait to hear the whole thing.

I'm out for I couple of days, when I get back I expect to see Lyrics, Charts, Musicians, full reveiws and analysis.

And who was whining about SD's apparent lack of philanthropy the other day? Go and buy a WB Sadowsky, at the Beacon show on the 13th you tight arse, and support the jazz foundation! Oh sorry you probably hate jazz.



Geoff

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 04:33:57 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Circus Money Radio

wow, great samples.
Carolyn Leonhart's backing vocals may radiate this Steely feel.
not sure if Cindy is on it as well.
otherwise, Walter's singing on Downtown Canon is way soulful.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 04:07:47 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

Totally different vibe to 11 TOW isn't it?

Lush, warm, organic, love the backing vocals, hell it sounds like Steely Dan (should that be a surprise or not...can't decide)

That's a lot of reggae too!

Well, either way, that's a nice surprise to wake up to...Downtown Cannon could well be an early favourite!

Thanks Walter!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 04:00:32 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Also, I know Larry Klein gets some songwriting credits, but will he and Walt have to credit Joni Mitchell on "Paging Audrey"?

I keed, I keed.

Not really.

This stuff sounds amazing.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 03:59:29 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Chris, you can tell that WB really likes that one. He included the intro, cut it off right after the "Dizzy" line that you know he wanted to keep in above all else.

Wouldn't mind a Michael McDonald appearance on "Upside Looking Down."

I've been listening to the same streaming clips for almost two hours now. I think that's the sign of a winner.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 03:47:31 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

An advisory to all those planning on buying tickets for Saratoga:

Last week (April 15) after reading comments from GM and others about LiveNation as an alternate to Ticketmaster, I logged on to their site and found a seating chart for Saratoga. That chart has since been replaced, and is now consistent with the seating chart on the Mountain Winery site,

http://www.mountainwinery.com/concerts/concert_seating.asp

GW

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 03:02:40 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Highlight so far: Downtown Canon. How about that intro!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 02:56:13 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

So glad I checked my email before passing out. This sounds incredible!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 02:22:11 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

ALL CAPS, AND I DON'T CARE.

THIS SOUNDS BRILLIANT.

WALTER IS PLAYING GUITAR (I WAS WORRIED HE WAS ONLY ON BASS).

THIS SOUNDS BRILLIANT.

SO MUCH TO CHEW ON.

Sorry for shouting. What a glorious burst of music.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 02:07:17 ET
Posted by: Walter samples up! ,

walterbecker.com
red speaker button
audio delight

Date: Sat, April 26, 2008, 00:41:14 ET
Posted by: let's eat asian, in atlanta

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Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 22:55:24 ET
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Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 20:51:49 ET
Posted by: Josh's Dad, SLC

Thanks for the info Kirk.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 19:48:55 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, world's worst email

Craig B. please call me..you're not getting my emails..this is SD tangential...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 17:01:31 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Thanks Gina.

RE: Wadenius' keyboard player: Check out the old Wurly. We had a "lab" full o' those babies in college!

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 16:16:28 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar5, Last FM Mountain

a little interlude in your daily Dan routine perhaps? nevertheless Danesque since it's one of their (many) session players and former A.I.A lead guitarist.

courtesy of mr. Georg Wadenius, video footage from his February gig in one of Stockholm's finest jazz clubs Fasching. there will be a new clip each week.... we have 9 to go...
he also mentions Donald Fagen (in Swedish) when introducing a tune, but not the one that's up now, which is A Day In The Life.

have a good weekend :-)


http://www.last.fm/music/Georg+Wadenius/+videos/5515741

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 16:02:32 ET
Posted by: Kirk, NorCal

Regarding the Ironstone pre-sale: Despite what the SD and Ticketmaster websites say, the pre-sale actually begins tonight between 6 P.M. and 7 P.M., and you have to be there in person at the winery's Annual Release Party to purchase the tickets.

For those who do not attend the Annual Release Party, Ironstone will open an online pre-sale via Ticketmaster on Sunday evening.

PS: I just got done talking to Ironstone, and they have reconfirmed the above.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 14:26:37 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

the BORGATA has finally added SD to their list of shows!!

http://www.theborgata.com/Main.cfm?Category_1=5000&Category_2=5100&SectionID=&Page=4

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 13:49:56 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost, CA

Dangasm...that's hilarious.. I think my last one was hearing the first time they cleverly segued from Janie Runaway to Hey 19...it was kind of like oh, ohno, ohyes, f... yessss!!! Dangasm - perfect- hoping for another this year...

AG

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 13:25:33 ET
Posted by: Josh , SLC, UT

Does anybody know the pre-sale ticket password for the Ironstone Winery concert?

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 13:24:12 ET
Posted by: There's no need to buy, What you can get for free

I remember in the mid 90s a classic rock station in NY was auctioning off stuff for charity, and they had a guitar signed by "Steely Dan." I always assumed that meant D & W.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 13:21:04 ET
Posted by: Mer., Boston

Ahhh... sitting here listening to "Big Noise New York" and I swear.... if they play this in Boston this year it will be grounds for a total Dangasm.....

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 11:45:41 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

"Any World" was played three times in 06 - Milwaukee and the marvelous Soboba and San Diego Shows that featured two sets.
"Dr. Wu" was played at sound check at Soboba, but there were so many people watching, I'd say they "perfomed" it!
"Springtime" was never played during the Fagen solo tour.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 11:42:08 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Am I going to work at all today?

Becker blurb

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=368526&afterinter=true

KC

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 10:35:29 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Still @work (not working)

RE: SD doing charity gigs.

Fagen was part of the Jeff Porcaro Triubte concert in '92 with the proceeds going to a school trust fund for his kids. It's not feeding the world but still charity.

KC

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 10:24:19 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Re: Springtime

The only time I'm certain of is the 1993 Madison Square Garden show. Something tells me this may have been performed once or twice during the Fagen tour although I can't be sure of that.

Re: Your Gold Teeth (I)

I think I posted on here before that this song would be ideal (due to its structure) to use during the band introductions. The break in the middle would be great for band member soloing.

El Sup

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 10:14:35 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work shhhhhhh

Just got our tickets to Wallingford. Section 104 - 8th row. Almost identical to our seats last year which were excellent. Only show I can afford - kids in college.

$288.65 for a pair after taxes, fees, etc. Yikes.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 10:02:45 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

El Sup - when did they play Springtime from Kama?

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 09:50:18 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

King of the World, just to hear the outro solos and especially after hearing how well Joe Jackson nailed it as a trio

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 09:35:38 ET
Posted by: Denise, vacation

El Sup, I'd love to hear Your Gold Teeth. From a musician's POV, would that be a tough one to play live?

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 09:20:51 ET
Posted by: Veteran, of many concerts

As much as I like Razor Boy, I don't really see it flying live without an overhaul. Ditto for a lot of the other songs they've yet to do.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 09:18:21 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Re: Any World

Well, they certainly did play that one in 2006. Thanks for the heads up.

Any others I missed?

El Sup

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 08:24:52 ET
Posted by: moray eel, from

Yes, they have played some other songs over the last 15 years (I included 2 tracks from Circus Money to account for this in my set list); but they usually fall by the wayside very quickly.

I think my educated guess of a set list is pretty close to what we'll be getting.

I went to one of the early shows in ' 93 and I think they played about 25 different songs. Over the years, those have been reduced to around 14 or 15. They really isn't a whole lot of room left in the set for the other songs in the SD catalog. I mean, they aren't going tp suddenly stop playing Peg, Hey 19 and Josie, right?

m.e.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 07:39:09 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, lost

They played Any World in Milwaukee in '06. I think they did it at least one other time as well.


KC

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 03:19:13 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Since the tour is fast approaching, I thought I would take a minute to examine what has been played in past tours. Since the track listing I compiled vanished with Andy Metzger's site, I thought I would post this here. Starting with the 1993 tour (and including Donald Fagen's solo tour), here is a list, broken down by album, of songs that have NOT been performed live.

Can't Buy a Thrill:

Kings
Only a Fool Would Say That
Fire in the Hole
Change of the Guard
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again

Countdown to Ecstasy:

Razor Boy
Your Gold Teeth
Pearl of the Quarter
King of the World

Pretzel Logic:

Barrytown
Through With Buzz
With a Gun
Charlie Freak

Katy Lied:

Rose Darling
Dr. Wu
Your Gold Teeth II
Any World
Throw Back the Little Ones

The Royal Scam:

*The Fez
Everything You Did

Aja:

(All songs performed)

Gaucho:

Gaucho
My Rival

Two Against Nature:

Negative Girl

Everything Must Go:

Green Book

The Nightfly:

Walk Between the Raindrops

Kamakiriad:

Florida Room

Morph the Cat:

Morph the Cat / reprise
The Great Pagoda of Funn
Security Joan
The Night Belongs to Mona

**Eleven Track of Whack:

Junkie Girl
Surf and/or Die
Lucky Henry
This Moody Bastard
Hat Too Flat
Little Kawaii
Medical Science


* - Instrumental version performed during the 1994 opening overture
** - I am not including the 1994 Walter Becker Slim's concert.

Note that some of these songs (King of the World, Brooklyn, Barrytown, etc.) were performed live in the 1970's. For the purpose of this list I am keeping it since 1993.

That leaves almost 40 songs to choose from. Now the real question is :

What would you like to hear this time around?

Let me know of any corrections or omissions,

El Sup

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 02:49:28 ET
Posted by: moray eel, sequence

"If" the following songs were the set list for every show on this tour, what order would you like to hear them in? (please note: additions/substitutions are not allowed)

And would you give this set list an A+, A, A-, etc?

1. bodhisattva
2. hey 19 (worm speech)
3. a track from circus money
4. green flower street
5. peg
6. josie (drum solo)
7. home at last
8. green earrings
9. third world man
10. another track from circus money
11. black friday
12. kid charlemagne
encore:
13. my old school
14. fm

I think they will be able to fit these into 1 hour and 20 minutes.

m.e.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 00:33:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Actually it's a "13 piece"
band, unless of course it's
twins.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 00:17:55 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Boy that Carolyn Leonhart sure
is a trooper. So I guess The
Steely Dan "Think Fast" 2008
tour will be a 14 piece this
summer!

"Think Fast" takes on a whole
new meaning.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 00:09:55 ET
Posted by: Web Search, 123

Actually, if you look at the June 8 listing on WW's site, it names all the musicians.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2008, 00:07:26 ET
Posted by: Web Search, c-space

Walt Weiskopf is confirmed

http://www.waltweiskopf.com/performances/

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 23:09:23 ET
Posted by: Lee from Tampa, Tampa, of course!

Donald Fagen appeared onstage at the benefit for Mike Smith, lead singer of the Dave Clark Five. Smith became paralyzed due to a fall, was in the hospital for 2-3 years, and the benefit's purpose was to raise the funds necessary for him to be able to go home from the hospital (to pay for things like nursing help, and the types of home renovations typically necessary to accomodate a person in Smith's condition). Donald was part of the ensemble that played "Bits and Pieces" near the end of the show.

Obviously, THAT was a charity benefit show.

Then there is the distinct possibility that he, like many people, comes to the aid of needy people and organizations in a quiet way, caring much more about giving aid than taking credit for it.

Don't assume that because you don't know about it, he therefore hasn't helped in some quiet capacity. Frankly, it's none of our business except to the extent that Donald makes it so.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 19:26:20 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

I just called comcast tix, and someone checked with a supervisor, who said that the date for SD is not confirmed yet, so that's why they do not have it on their upcoming schedule...

I don't know if that's true or not, but it is what I was told...I will try again tomorrow.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 18:47:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Steely Don: I have looked at both the Borgata website as well as www.comcasttix.com and there is nothing about SD at the Borgata...very strange...

I'll make a couple of calls tomorrow and see if I can find out anything, and will post here...

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 17:20:15 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Way Back When

I need some help.


I posted a few days ago about how there is nothing on the Borgata website for Steely Dan. Tickets "supposedly" go on sale this saturday 4/26 for the show "supposedly" at the Borgata on June 27.

I just called the Borgata and after they searched their database they said that they have nothing in their system for JUne 27th for Steely Dan.


Steely Doc any ideas? I know you are usually pretty savvy in these situations. This is the only show I can really go to and I really want to get good tickets.

PLEASE ADVISE

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 16:55:07 ET
Posted by: angel,

From the Ticketmaster website:
** The Theatre at Honda Center**
The 19,000 seat world-class arena is transformed into a smaller, more intimate 5,000 - 7,000 seat theatre. This upscale look is dressed up with dark carpet & crystal chandeliers. It provides an ideal setting for artists who wish to perform in a more intimate atmosphere.

So I guess that means that it will have the curtain.

==

Craig: I am planning on attending the Nokia date...if I get tickets.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 16:22:54 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, lurking

Ive seen Lucinda Williams at Buddy Guys place --she fits in!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 15:39:13 ET
Posted by: Casual fan, Scranton P.A.

This just in. Steely Dan will be playing in Scranton in a parking lot in support of:

Michael Scott’s Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race For The Cure

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 14:50:21 ET
Posted by: Billy P.,

Cut the shit Kane!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 14:10:41 ET
Posted by: Casual fan, Shape of my shade

Hey Dolly, If I catch your drift, and I think I do, it would seem that you are implying that the lack of a charity show by the Dan is significant to you and a criticism of them.

I understand that it would be an all around nice gesture for them to participate in some sort of "(insert your cause here) - AID" show. But I'm just not sure that they are the type of outfit that can just pick up and go somewhere and play four songs then hustle off stage for Cheryl Crow or whoever. I mean, they aren't a three piece band, a la U2.

It would seem that it would be more likely for either Fagen or Becker to appear on their own, as part of some sort of ensemble. But even then they are so particular I have a hard time seeing them be happy playing "Do It Again" with the E Street Band backing them.

Bottom line is that I'd love to see one or both of them do a show and that would be great and all, but their lack of such a show isn't proof that they suck as musicians.

Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 14:07:24 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Who is Pete Fogel?
Guru? - Yes
Savior during the "Dark Days" - Yes
Co-creator of "Metal Leg", Steely Dan Fanzine - Yes
Asked people at many New York Rock N Soul Tour shows, "What was your favorite part of the show?", and we always replied, "Mindy! Mindy! Mindy!" - Yes (Boy do we miss her-My favorite version of Deacon ever)
Rude asshole - Never
Current booker of NY's famous "Bitter End".
Hope this starts your google search for further info and Welcome!

Hey Fatty,

By "curtain I mean, They will drop the curtain at the Honda Center and cut it down to 7,000 seats.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 13:03:45 ET
Posted by: Dolly Llama , hello dolly

Anybody ever hear of Steely Dan doing a charity benefit show?

yeah , me neither.


????


Goodbye,

Dolly

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 12:59:33 ET
Posted by: out, of the loop

who the heck is pete fogel?

is he touring with the band?

is he some kind of hot shot?

just trying to learn more about the DAN.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 12:53:20 ET
Posted by: FAT AL,

Hey LaRue
What do you mean by "curtain"...last show?

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 12:49:56 ET
Posted by: Craig B., AV CA

Angel
What Cali Danfest are you sponsoring

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 11:49:02 ET
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Date: Thurs, April 24, 2008, 09:01:52 ET
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Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 20:19:38 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

I think the synapses would make a really cool t-shirt. Mind you I was a biology major before I decided on making food my life, so it makes sense, eh.
Anyhow anyone up for chat? I'm heading to NYC for June 20th and 21st and I'm stoked!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 19:31:34 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

*************Pete Fogel is the best!!!**************

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 19:31:25 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

there was different artwork for the full page ad in the NY Times on 3/23. It is a drawing of a presynaptic nerve, synapse, and postsynaptic nerve.

If anyone is interested, send me an email and I'll take a picture of the ad for you...

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 19:17:07 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Hey Denise,

I agree. The artwork will not sell swag. I just figured that since
they came up with the Heavy Rollers art work so quick it made me wonder if they are going go with generic Steely swag and new Trilogy & Circus Money swag perhaps.

Cali gigs -

I am pretty certain that they will go with the "curtain" when they
play the Honda Center. I would count on it.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 18:53:08 ET
Posted by: Denise, on vacation from Hinktown

Hey Dash,

The Think Fast graphics are the same design style as the 2006 tour:
http://www.steelydan.com/tour06.html

They seem to fall back on this as a standard perhaps while new designs are being developed. Angel is right: it is a clean look; it also does not connotate any theme, such as gambling for the heavy rollers tour. I would guess their designers are working on something more compelling for the tour. The present design is not so interesting as to enhance t-shirt sales, IMHO. In the past they have hired Carol Bobolts in (I think) Red Herring Design, if I'm not mistaken. She had done some real nice work for them. I also like the Circus Money designs and would like to know the artist on that.

Cheers,
D.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 18:36:15 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia

Hey Bobbo
I think it's fairly obvious that 'endstage' means red hot up close seats for full-blown terminal danfans.

Hey A. Bierce

Inasmuch as I'm from Australia and read newspapers, I'm up for a spot of gruff rebuttal with Walter regarding his counterpunch to Cromelian's blighted vitals.
The paper he mentioned is not the Outback Tattler but The Oodnadatta Wombat-Tribune.

Your Observant Deviant
gosling

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 18:22:41 ET
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Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 18:06:58 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Missed it, Josey. I didn't find out about it until the day of the concert. (I was in a hole, or something, the previous weeks, apparently.)

I have seen him in the past, though, and also found it entertaining.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 17:49:52 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

The Dean - did you happen to catch Taj at the Florida Theater this past year? I went...pretty entertaining!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 17:16:42 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

I hear ya, Fife. Most of the Jazz and Blues fests have gone commercial and book acts outside of their original genres. But, looking at the acts on (what I assume is) the main stage for that fest...NONE of the acts are really Blues acts. Like you say, there are Blues acts on the other stages. I see Alan Toussaint, Keb Mo, Taj Mahal are playing on the Roots and River stages. (Zappa plays Zappa sounds interesting...but not Blues.) I'm sure there are plenty of smaller and local acts, too.

Looking over the complete list, it looks like a hell of a festival, actually. There are a lot of interesting acts, IMO. (BTW, Is Roomful of Blues still playing around Toronto?)

I just can't figure out why they wouldn't book at least one or two big Blues acts for the main stage, though. Buddy Guy and Robert Cray played here in St Augustine the other day...throw in Taj and that's a hell of a concert, no?. BB King still tours (I think)...hell, you could even pass Eric Clapton off, I suppose.

I guess what I'm trying to say (and not doing a very good job of saying)is that they should at least mention and promote a Blues act, or two, among the big acts. Just IMO, of course.

And, right after I typed all that, I went back to the main page, and Dr. John came up in one of the pics.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 16:25:09 ET
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Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 16:08:07 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Dean,
That discussion has come up many times in the Ottawa press about the Bluesfest. I do know that they have local blues musicians that play but unfortunately they don't bring the cash that Headliners do. So they did what all good capitalist do and decided to keep the name cause it's catchy but book anyone who can make them a few bucks. Ottawa is a beautiful city in the summer by the way, all the igloos have melted and everyone has pitched their teepees for summer living.
Fife

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 15:37:50 ET
Posted by: angel,

Finally some LA dates! Been waiting forever...or so it seems.

Dash: The graphics might be phoned in, but I happen to like the clean lines and layout. To each his own, I guess.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 15:20:58 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Thank you Mr. Fogel.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 15:07:25 ET
Posted by: Pete, NYC

The cover for the Bitter End hasn't been determined yet but will most likely be $10.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 14:18:02 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

A couple of things -

A big thank you to Don and Walt. Just take a look at that gueling
schedule this year. They are really packing in the dates and they don't appear to be taking much if any of a break. They definitley
will be "Road Warriors" this year. The more dates they add, the more fans will get a chance to see them.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the "Think Fast" artwork is very "phoned-in". Any ideas Denise?

Any idea when they will officially annouce the line-up for the tour?

And lastly, doess anyone know how much it will cost to get into the Bitter End?

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 12:45:08 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island`

Of interesting note and very Dangential: Emeril's in Atlanta is closing and a fairly well known restauranteur is taking over the spot:

"Even as Atlantans were getting word Tuesday that Emeril’s Atlanta would close in Buckhead April 30, Atlanta restaurateur Tom Catherall was preparing to sign a lease agreement to move into the space at 3300 Lenox Road.


This October, Catherall will debut Aja (named for the classic 1977 Steely Dan album) in the current Emeril’s space after a million dollar interior overhaul."

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 12:35:10 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

The Dean - I'd say The Black Crowes and Lucinda Williams tend to get a bit bluesy...but I certainly get your point. It's kinda like what the New Orleans Jazz Fest is now. Not too much jazz about it.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 12:23:31 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Outta my mind, please leave a message

Aug 04 - Honda Center - Anaheim, CA | presale 4/28 | gen TBA < date added

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 12:07:49 ET
Posted by: VD,

Thanks Dean

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 11:51:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Hey Fife,

Are Canadians unaware of what "blues" is? Was there even ONE blues band in that list?

:#)

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 11:38:54 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Here's for all the Eastern Canucks out there in Dandom:
The Ottawa Sun

Let’s cut to the chase and lead with what everyone wants to know this time of year. Who’s at Bluesfest?

Today, the festival’s artistic director Mark Monahan put an end to the speculation, announcing that James Taylor, Steely Dan, Feist, Brian Wilson, Wyclef Jean, The Black Crowes, Fergie, Boz Scaggs, Don McLean and Lucinda Williams are among the 210 music stars who will play the 2008 edition of Bluesfest, July 3-13. For a complete schedule, go to the festival’s website at www.ottawabluesfest.ca

Having checked it's on July 5th at 9.30pm. Enjoy!

NYC here I come whoohoo!!
Fife

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 11:24:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach Barrios

"heart of the barrios"?

No

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_/ai_n13604937

Date: Wed, April 23, 2008, 10:19:57 ET
Posted by: Von Dutch,

Isn't the Staples center in the heart of the barrios

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 23:55:42 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,

The latest Hemorrhager was:

"Speaking of "Song for my Father", a song which contains a riff similar to that of Rikki's intro has been a subject of much controversy. In a recent statement by Don F. himself while serving as guest DJ on Sirius Radio he intimated that he ws looking to lay down a "Brazilian" bassline and that it was session player who laid down "Song for My Father". Don F. went on to say that if he had caught it, he would not have used it in Rikki, which was conceived/recorded presumably circa 1973-74.

Well, that is all well and good, but it must be noted that that controversial "Brazilian" or "Song for my Father" bassline was NOT the first time that the Dan used that concept.

What pre-Old Testament tune uses the same or highly similar "riff" or bassline?"

HINT: if you take off your "goggles", you should be able to "gobble" this question up"

Epilogue:

This was a fairly tough one, as "Hemorrhagers" are wont to be and it took about three days for someone to come up with the answer. There were a few twists and turns, but the killer was by Bobbo of Texas who was SO close on his first attempt, but then got colder on his second attempt.

"Mock Turtle Song" was suggested which was an opener on the McDan tour does sort of have a "Rikki" feel, but we were keying in on that so-called "Brazilian" or the "Song for my Father" riff. The tune we were looking for was "Android Warehouse" which if you listen closely has the same, almost exact backing riff.basslin as "Rikki". First with the correct answer (her second overall) was Girl Margaret of "UPSTATE" NY. Margaret gets 1.5 points for correctly answering a "Hemorrhager" which moves her into fifth place, all-time.

Since this "riff" appeared on the song "Android Warehouse" several years before the release of "Rikki" and the arrival of Chuck Rainey as the session player who laid down that riff/bassline that Don F. failed to "catch" during the recording of "Rikki" it certainly raises the question as to whether or not it was Chuck who "borrowed" or "quoted" that riff from Horace Silver's "Song for my Father", which Don had intimated on Sirius Radio. Only his Hairdresser knows for sure.....

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 23:15:11 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu

Turn up the Eagles the
neighbors are listening.
A little more info on the
NOKIA:

"Attending live entertainment in Los Angeles is an all new experience when you visit NOKIA Theatre L.A. LIVE in downtown Los Angeles. NOKIA Theatre L.A. LIVE opened on October 18th, 2007 with six sold-out concerts featuring the Eagles and Dixie Chicks.. Destined to become the preferred indoor venue for performers and fans alike, the 7,100-seat venue offers guests mid-sized intimacy, with no seat further from the stage than 220 feet, exceptional comfort and amenities never before offered to guests at similar theatres."

http://www.nokiatheatrelalive.com/about.php

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 22:55:38 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Well, we have been waiting for
that much promised LA date -
well it's here! July 23 at the
Nokia Theater in the heart of
downtown LA! The Nokia is brand
new smaller theater across from
the Staples Center and boasts the
best new sound system in the city.
Well worth the wait.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 20:24:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

the Borgata show is not listed yet at www.comcasttix.com either.

Those of you planning to get tix for AC should know that the Borgata does not sell through Ticketmaster, they sell through Comcast Tix

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 20:17:50 ET
Posted by: AC, 21

Borgata doesn't appear to list dates prior to tickets going on sale, so it makes sense that it's not there yet.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 20:14:08 ET
Posted by: Hmmmm..., SD Borgota tickets

SteelyDon,

According to steelydan.com the tickets go on sale in this Saturday (26), so the Borgota site should get the info up any day now. But they are late...

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 16:57:09 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, My mistake

The comedian is actually scheduled for the Music Box NOT the Event Center...but still does anyone know when they might post this event on the website? I still don't see any signs of Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 16:55:39 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Just when I say boy we can't miss

I am trying to get myself ready to buy tickets for the Borgata show but when I go to the Borgata website steely dan is no where on the entertainment schedule. In fact, SteelyDan.com says that they are playing the Borgata event center on June 27th. When you go to Borgata.com they have a comedian scheduled that night named Daniel Tosh.


Has anyone else saw this? Are they REALLY gonna play the Borgata. I want to know how much the tickets are but the show is not even on Borgata's website?

any suggestions?

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 15:43:25 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, spring heaven

looks like june 10 is a "take the day off for music" day!!!

TODD SICKAFOOSE :: Tiny Resistors (2008)



Featuring Shane Endsley, Ben Wendel, Skerik, Alan Ferber, Adam Levy, Mike Gamble, Allison Miller, Simon Lott, Andrew Bird, & guest Ani DiFranco.

To be released on Cryptogramophone June 10.

••••


Todd's - Blood Orange (2006)

is

"Nothing short of a magical album" - CD Baby

http://www.toddsickafoose.com/

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 13:33:28 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,

Haven't heard that one in a while. Another proto-Matrix virtual reality concept, perhaps, precursor to Green Book and (I suspect) Wet Side Story? I think Pete Townshend beat them to it with his unfinished Lifehouse project.

>Hold my hand in the Android Warehouse
Who's to know if you took a dive?
Ain't life grand in the Android Warehouse
What a burner when you take off your goggles and find...

that you're aliiiiiiiiiiive, that you're aliiiiiiiiive

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 13:15:23 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

How much will it cost to get into the Bitter End?

Thanks

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 12:34:02 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, but looking forward to nyc & hoping you are too

Think Fast, Steely Dan Fans!!

A Concert & After Party Not To Be Missed!

Attend an Amazing After-Concert Party in NYC
Just for the Most Devoted Steely Dan Fans!

Razor Boy Music, Inc.
Presents

AFTER STEELY DAN SHOW PARTY

Featuring

JON HERINGTON BAND

+ JEFF YOUNG & FRIENDS

+ JAM with VERY SPECIAL STEELY GUESTS!

SATURDAY, JUNE 21st

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING
THE STEELY DAN BEACON THEATRE SHOW

Join us at the legendary Bitter End on Bleecker Street in Greenwich Village
We'll be rockin' late with the Steely Dan Rhythm section

Steely Dan Guitarist JON HERINGTON
and his band will be performing a set including
songs from his album "Like So"

Steely Dan Keyboardist JEFF YOUNG
and his band will be performing a set including
songs from his album "Songs from a Red Wurlizter"

Followed by a JAM that's not to be missed!

Between sets, we will be playing
Walter Becker's new solo release, "Circus Money"

Presented by Razor Boy Music, Inc.

THE BITTER END
147 Bleecker St
Between Thompson & La Guardia
18+ to enter

THINK FAST, STEELY DAN FANS…
…because Tickets for the Saturday, June 21, 2008
Steely Dan Show go on sale Monday, April 28.
See http://steelydan.com for more info on tickets.

For more info on this Post Concert Event:

http://metalleg.com
http://myspace.com/razorboymusic
http://dandom.com/danfests/nyc

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 10:06:47 ET
Posted by: Gauchoamigo, North Hollywood

Ticketmaster has listed on their special offers page for Steely Dan that Platinum and Ticket Exchange tickets for Los Angeles and Anaheim will be available starting May 5.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 09:04:54 ET
Posted by: Hutch, rva

There was some discussion here recently about Sonny Emory. Well, Sonny did a drum clinic at our shop last night. So naturally I had to ask him about working on 2vN, specifically the West of Hollywood track. He told me he actually played drums on every track on that album during the sessions but in the end WoH was the only song he appeared on. He didn't say this in a negative way at all. Obviously he knows how those guys work. I mentioned that it was a pretty straight unadorned groove he played on that song and he said they did several takes and some of them allowed him to do some tom fills but again in the end the straight groove won out.

And of course he said the same thing Steve Gadd said when I asked what it was like working with The Two... that is was a great experience.

And Sonny said, "They're so meticulous".

Date: Tues, April 22, 2008, 08:25:20 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

I had seen those songs, along with the rest, sitting on that page for a long time, more than a year in fact. Save for using the 'print screen' function and doling out pictures from the saved version of the webpage, there's nothing else I can do to prove it. But I'm not a liar.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 22:53:07 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

from walterbecker.com (a definitive source; whereas even the most complete fansite is not)

The Tracks:

Door Number Two

Downtown Canon

Bob Is Not Your Uncle Anymore

Upside Looking Down

Paging Audrey

Circus Money

Selfish Gene

Do You Remember The Name

Somebody's Saturday Night

Darkling Down

God's Eye View

Three Picture Deal



Songs by Walter Becker and Larry Klein, © 2007 Zeon Music (ASCAP)
and Exegesis Music /Chrysalis Music (ASCAP)
except Circus Money by Walter Becker, © 2007 Zeon Music (ASCAP)

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 22:49:57 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Mike - The fact is, those songs are listed on Walter Becker's website and are credited to Walter Becker and his producer, not Walter Becker and Donald Fagen. The songs were likely added to the database when they were discovered by other steely dan fan sites (Hoops, someone found them and posted them to the mailing list, right?) in the fall.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 21:41:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Sorry Michael, you blew it, again. You are only right, if Walter's songs are previously unreleased Dan songs, which they are not.

Clearly you have learned a valuable lesson: Web pages can be edited. Obviously, if they were added, they were added to the list AFTER Walter had written them. As the album is still unreleased, I can understand why someone might ADD the songs to that list.

Do you have ANY evidence to the contrary?

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 20:37:52 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

They must've edited them out but all but one of the songs on Walt's new CD were listed there. They must've took them down after learning the tracklist. Thankfully, I had saved the entire webpage beforehand so I still have the backup of it. So I was right.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 19:55:27 ET
Posted by: NYC anyone??, USA

Anyone for chat tonight?

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 17:08:00 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

I swear that wasn't up there when I was on there earlier! If it were I certainly would've mentioned it.

With all that going on I may have to sell one of my kids so I can make it.

Anyone interested in a slightly used 16 or 10 year old?


KC

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 16:39:31 ET
Posted by: Saturday June 21st, New York

Hey I found out when and where the NYC Party is! Kid Clean, didn't you see this? Herington, Young, Carlock, Washington! WOW!

http://www.metalleg.com/

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 15:33:03 ET
Posted by: wlm, up north, eh?

Daddy - I saw that too (the guys at Radio Dupree flagged it for me). Wow - the whole thing early WOULD be nice -- but my first thought was maybe an early download of a track or a bonus track. Either way I'm ready

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 15:02:45 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Haven't checked walterbecker.com for a little while, but I just noticed that on the FAQ page there is a sprinkling of very similarly pointed comments culminating with...

"Say...did we mention that those interested in any possible early acquisitions should sign up for the newsletter, posthaste?"

Not sure if that's been there for a while or if it's new, but I don't recall seeing it before or noting any such reference to it herein. Also don't know if it's talking about simple pre-ordering or if there might truly be some sort of chance to get advance CM copies slightly ahead of the official general release date. At any rate I'm already on the newsletter mailing list so I'm not too concerned about it.

And of course if this HAS been there a while and previously noted here in this illustrious azure forum, then please forgive my redundant repetition.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 14:53:49 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, money for nothing

I know there was some complaining and gnashing of teeth about the set list for this year earlier, but I don't think I saw the obligitory wish lists so I'll get the ball rolling....

King of the World
Deacon Blues
Green Book
Bodhisattva
Peg
cirCus Money
My Rival
Mary Shut the Garden Door
Your Gold Teeth II
Jack of Speed (walter vox)
Security Joan
What a Shame About Me
Upside Looking Down
Don’t Take Me Alive
Gaucho
My Old School
Pretzel Logic


It was very difficult to leave out the WU, but I've finally given up on it...


KC

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 14:40:35 ET
Posted by: The Gig, At Bethel

http://www.bethelwoodscenter.org/Events/?438

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 14:26:55 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,

Bethel Woods Center for the Arts

Bethel Woods Center for the Arts is approximately 90 minutes from New York City at the site of the original 1969 Woodstock festival in Bethel, NY. The 15,000-seat outdoor performing arts venue and the soon-to-be-opened Museum are set within nearly 2,000 bucolic acres. The main pavilion covers 4,500 seats with another 10,500 on a natural sloping lawn, while offering unique backdrops including the original festival site and the majesty of the surrounding Sullivan County countryside. Other venues at the center include a 1,000-seat Terrace Stage, craft and farmers' market and the original Woodstock site, which holds a permit for 30,000 concertgoers to attend major musical events. The arts center's purpose is to improve the quality of life in Sullivan County and the surrounding region by promoting economic development in our region through arts, education, and culture at the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts.

http://www.bethelwoodscenter.org/Events/?438

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 14:13:44 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston

Bethel N.Y,fond memories of aug.1969,Max Yasgurs farm,i may go to that one just for the history of the place.last year when my buddy mark and i went out to see donald in woodstock we thought about going to bethel for a day trip then realized it was a 3 hour drive.It will be a great day trip,no info on the venue though. cant be very big.....fezzie

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 13:33:56 ET
Posted by: Pondering, More Shows

The Bethel show looks interesting. Anyone know if that's upstate?

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 13:20:43 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

steelydan .com updated!!!

Jun 21 - Beacon Theatre - New York, NY | on sale 4/28 < date added

Jun 27 - Borgata Event Center - Atlantic City, NJ | on sale 4/26 < info added

Jul 10 - Bethel Woods Center for the Arts - Bethel, NY | on sale 4/28 < date added

Jul 13 - National City Pavilion - Cincinnati OH | on sale 4/28 < info added

Jul 19 - Sandia Resort & Casino - Albuquerque NM | on sale 4/25 < date added

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 13:17:35 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @lunch

I'm sure everybody knows about it, but I just spent my lunch hour reliving the past at metalleg.com.

Thanks Pete!!


KC

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 12:34:05 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Android Warehouse

Hold my hand in the Android Warehouse
Who's to know if you took a dive?
Ain't life grand in the Android Warehouse
What a burner when you take off your goggles and find...

that you're aliiiiiiiiiiive, that you're aliiiiiiiiive

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 12:17:27 ET
Posted by: prez logic, the vault

Sirius 16 has been playing a lot of deeper Steely Dan cuts as of late...

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 10:26:18 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

Ticket bastard shows on sale for Cinci as 4/28 now.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 10:04:33 ET
Posted by: Hutch, rva

Brain - Could be Mock Turtle Song (also called Mock Turtle Soup). I hear a slight similarity in the bass line and over all feel to Rikki.
And this might be a stretch but I'm guessing that when you said "goggles" you were refering to the old Bugs Bunny cartoon version of "The Tortoise and the Hare". I believe the turtle wore goggles for the race.

I'm going back up to the Warner Theatre in D.C. on Saturday to see Will Lee's band, The Fab Faux. The Warner is where I saw DF's solo show in '06. Should be a great show.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 09:17:04 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Work

Brain Hem - it would have to be Android Warehouse. What a coincidence, I was just listening to it in my car!

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 09:13:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Nice plug. hz.

Charlie Allen had one of the great soul voices of that era.

Here's a little clip of their "big hit":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2eMTbNVaI

Date: Mon, April 21, 2008, 01:39:50 ET
Posted by: hz, shameless plug - but not for me - so its cool

[2008-04-28] Pacific Gas & Electric "Get It On: The Kent Records Sessions" UK release (Big Beat)


* The first album by Californian blues-rock legends, Pacific Gas and Electric, reissued for the first time and enhanced by the addition of almost three quarters of an hour's worth of previously unissued material from the album sessions.

* Reissued with the approval and complete co-operation of the surviving members of PG & E, this deluxe edition also features many previously unpublished shots of the band performing at late 60s music festivals and a sleeve note that draws on the reminiscences of key PG & E members Brent Block and Frank Cook.

* The PG & E website has been `trailing' the release of this set for almost a year - which is how long it's been in the making - and demand for recent CD reissues of their subsequent Columbia albums indicates that there'll be strong sales for the hardest to find of all their original albums and the one that's been out of print for the longest time.

* This raw and exciting electric blues still shows exactly why PG & E were one of the most highly rated - and still among the best remembered - groups of their era.

1. Wade In The Water
2. Cry, Cry, Cry
3. The Motor City Is Burning
4. The Hunter
5. Long Handled Shovel
6. Jelly, Jelly
7. Stormy Times
8. Live Love Bonus Tracks
9. My Sweet Baby (Take 6)
10. Dirty Mistreater (Take 2)
11. Wade In The Water (Undubbed Version)
12. Cry, Cry, Cry (Take 2)
13. Stormy Times (Take 9)
14. Long Handled Shovel (Take 8)
15. Jelly, Jelly (Take 1)
16. The Hunter (Take 1)
17. Blues Chant (Take 2)

Amazon USA:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015I0K4W/?tag=imwan-20

Amazon UK:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0015I0K4W/?tag=imwan-21




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Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 23:41:32 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

To drive the point home, further, there is a list of "Songs not written by Becker or Fagen".

http://212.178.99.195/SteelyDanDatabase/covered.jsp?SearchInclude=1

The last two entries on the list are these:

87 Walter Becker - Instrumental -
88 Walter Becker Selfish gene

In the instances above, "Walter Becker" refers to the performer of the song.

So, based on all of that evidence, it must be the case that Walters songs are all unreleased Dan tunes.

WHAT?

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 23:22:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Here are the songs listed on the page provided by Michael. There are 32 songs:

1 ?
2 Any way you want it
3 Burn baby burn
4 Bus driver is a fruitcake
5 Carolyn
6 Doctor Udu's proto-man
7 Footprints on the moon
8 Heartbreak souvenir
9 Hellbound train
10 Jeri
11 Megashine city
12 Mr. Lyle
13 Number one
14 One ticket to L.A.
15 Proud to be your slave
16 Set in motion
17 Shanghai breakdown
18 Shape of things to go
19 Sharon
20 Shuffling up your downs
21 Stand by the seawall
22 Surreal
23 Take a dip with Dinah
24 Take my money
25 Tell it to the fat man
26 Tell me a lie
27 The happy song
28 Thin blue line
29 This time around
30 Traveling light
31 Turn my friend away
32 Who got the credit?

None of those titles are on Walter's album, from what I can see:

Door Number Two: Not on the list

Downtown Canon: Not on the list

Bob Is Not Your Uncle Anymore: Not on the list

Upside Looking Down: Not on the list

Paging Audrey: Not on the list

Circus Money: Not on the list

Selfish Gene: Not on the list

Do You Remember The Name: Not on the list

Somebody's Saturday Night: Not on the list

Darkling Down: Not on the list

God's Eye View: Not on the list

Three Picture Deal: Not on the list

I do notice the Dan apparently recorded Hellbound Train, though. Was that before or after it was recorded by Savoy Brown? Or is it a different song with the same title? Or is it a mistake in the database?

I don't know. I also don't know when it was added (pages CAN be edited, you know). But, unlike Michael, apparently, I know how to read.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 22:54:42 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Mike, do we know when they were added to the database? Could they have been added when the tracks were announced, or when the new copyrights were discovered in the fall?

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 22:43:19 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Oh, how rude of me - Thanks Walter.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 22:42:47 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 13:44:09 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh


Michael, what gives you that idea?
--------------

Have a look ~ http://212.178.99.195/SteelyDanDatabase/unreleased.jsp?SearchInclude=1

Notice anything familiar? How 'bout all those songs which are now on Walter's new album? This site's been around for years, btw. So much for me not knowing anything, The Dean.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 17:22:26 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Confirmed: It's August 9th.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 17:20:10 ET
Posted by: While You Were Out,

Connie--

Just talked to Walter. He said for you to call him later. He's trying to catch some Z's right now.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 16:22:13 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Ironstone Vineyard still lists SD playing July 25th. I am trying to book a couple of hotel rooms around there for August 9th. The weekend of August 9th, there is also a blues festival going on. It's a very touristy area with lots of wineries and antique shops and gets very crowded in the summer. I guess I'll call Ironstone and ask for the real date. But I would rather call Walter or Donald and ask.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 15:32:30 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, choking on the latest Brain Hemorrhager!

Okay Man,

DEFINE "Pre-Old Testament."

'Cause it ain't "Dallas", and I don't think "Brooklyn" is legal (it's from Genesis, aka CAN'T BUY A THRILL). Help a brother out, wouldja?


Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 14:53:44 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,

The latest Hemorrhager was:

"Speaking of "Song for my Father", a song which contains a riff similar to that of Rikki's intro has been a subject of much controversy. In a recent statement by Don F. himself while serving as guest DJ on Sirius Radio he intimated that he ws looking to lay down a "Brazilian" bassline and that it was session player who laid down "Song for My Father". Don F. went on to say that if he had caught it, he would not have used it in Rikki, which was conceived/recorded presumably circa 1973-74.

Well, that is all well and good, but it must be noted that that controversial "Brazilian" or "Song for my Father" bassline was NOT the first time that the Dan used that concept.

What pre-Old Testament tune uses the same or highly similar "riff" or bassline?"

HINT: if you take off your "goggles", you should be able to "gobble" this question up....

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 14:39:46 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, These suburban streets

I cant watch either of those guys without throwing something at the TV in the first few minutes, but that's just me. Maher is just so full of hate it clouds everything the guy has to say.

I really came on to share this. I like this guy and is gear:

http://blog.speakergeeks.com/index.php/2008/04/19/dolby-dts-and-51-surround-test-with-steely-dan/

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 14:22:26 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Colbert, Mahrer, etc. Frankly, I've grown a bit tired of them, they've gotten stale -- and please let's not degenerate into a huge political fight.

But really those last two posts are old news: I believe it was the Walter Becker half of our favorite duo that pointed out in an interview back several years ago, Steely Dan's under-the-radar snarkiness was rather groundbreaking in the 1970s. Today they themselves are under no illusion that the same mode is pervasive. I believe Fagen then went on to say they were entering a "Post-irony" phase.

Jim

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 14:18:11 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Steve Colbert seems to be a nicer, less smug guy than Maher. I think his show is funnier and less sarcastic than Maher's. Maher seems to be too much of a wise-ass on and off the screen. It's sooooooo important to not take oneself too seriously. When one does, they generally have to keep those defenses up all/most of the time and people generally don't like them. Misanthropy leads to a lot of negative, destructive things.

But what the hell do I know...

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 13:23:08 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, behind the wheel!

Hey,

Anyone catch the latest REAL TIME episode? I think Bill Maher may be the Steely Dan of late-night talk, these days (sorry Dave)! I enjoy it immensely...and I've got to say: Kudos, too, to that madcap wunderkind, Steven Colbert. It's a toss-up, really, but there is a tongue-in-cheekness that's precious to the Sardonic Few that I know. And, for my characteristic break in character (for my friends here), at work it is the Fox News Channel in the break room, non-stop, every night of the week...Bad, right?! But their fairly-new show, "The Red Eye," is up there in sarcastically-real category, too. And, selah.


Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 10:16:44 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

cj,

regarding Reno 911:

I love that show. But, I was always a little disturbed that, while they use The Dan reference, they obviously do not "get" Steely Dan. Proof? They have Steely Dan in concert with REO Speedwagon. 'nuff said

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 01:52:49 ET
Posted by: suedave, feeling lucky

Got an email from Chateau Ste Michelle regarding their summer concerts today - some of the shows are already sold out - including one of the two SD shows. What some of you might find educational is that the max price for the SD shows is $135 - our friend Michael McDonald is also doing his own show there - max price is $59.

Looking forward to a rockin' show and getting together with familiar faces.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2008, 01:37:39 ET
Posted by: cj,

Has anybody here ever mentioned or seen Reno 911 a show on comedy central. There's a character named clemintine a girl cop who's a steely dan groupie. Funny

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 13:23:41 ET
Posted by: I want, Borgata tix

It's interesting that June 27 Borgata show has not yet appeared on their website yet lists a number of subsequent shows in July and August and most other June shows are already sold out. The Doobie Brothers/Chicago are there the night after SD and are sold out. I guess that's a sign that they don't feel it will be a problem moving the tickets.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 12:53:17 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home

Red Rocks tix are moving slow, I just pulled up one in row 3!!
Damn, I wish I could go!!

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 11:32:21 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Answering the latest Brain Hemmoragher:

I think it's "Oh Wow It's You", off of ANDROID WAREHOUSE....what do I win?

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 11:23:35 ET
Posted by: A. Bierce,

I know, I know...

I love WB's/DF's music like no other. And they are brilliant and basically benevolent beings.
I'm just surprised that WB got so pissed w/ the guy. Those newspeople know how to ruffle feathers.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 11:08:38 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, thinking: "Where the fuck is the Rajah when you need him?!"

Why don't we chat about the whole situation in the Green Room, this morning? I am on, y'know, and it'd be no Goddamned fun without ya, D! I will look for you for a while, it's a promise.

Bb

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:55:01 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, Connecticut

Getting excited about the upcoming show schedule and also because my wife is expecting our first daughter in September. We chose the name Rikkianne. A bit of Steely Dan in that name!!!

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:46:16 ET
Posted by: BeaconBoy, BEACON SEATING CHART

This oughta help:

http://www.beacontheatre.com/media/global/beacon_seating.pdf

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:23:16 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, "Yes, I have that kind of mind, Chuck."

Okay.

Odds on the right, evens on the left, right? I mean--left. Right? Jeez...



Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:22:53 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, "Yes, I have that kind of mind, Chuck."

Okay.

Odds on the right, evens on the left, right? I mean--left. Right? Jeez...



Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:08:33 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, the absent-minded Danner

And,

Sorry to have neglected to say: This is in regards to ticket sales for the show on the 20th...isn't there a big Danfest, or somethin'?! Doesn't Hoops have a wing-ding going down? Let us know, and thanks again.

Bb

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 10:06:02 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, perusing the Beacon's seating chart...

Wow,

This map is a total mystery to me! If I get two tickets, RIGHT NOW, I'm at row X in the orchestra section, seats 39-40....and there's an advisor that reads "ENDSTAGE". But, is that endstage right, left, or...what?

And in advance, if you have a clue as to how they're positioning this deal, thanks much. I've done this a million times, and never saw seats 30-55 on the right and 31-52 on the left. WHAT THE FUCK CAN IT MEAN?! Not that it matters, y'know...

Again thanks, in advance, for those keymasters and gatekeepers who've deciphered these little tidbits before me. Selah.


Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Sat, April 19, 2008, 00:32:47 ET
Posted by: hz, notzh

dean baby (hey i call everyone babe - im a record producer.)

keep look ing for franny but im talking haruki !!!

sweet!!!!

send some grouper - i like grouper!

HZ

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 21:29:21 ET
Posted by: What?, why

A, Bierce: "in '91 anyway: Christ, it's 17 years ago...give it a rest.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 21:17:03 ET
Posted by: D&D, H

Bobbo, come to NY!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 19:41:55 ET
Posted by: wlm, north eh

I may be wrong about this, but wasn't that Cromelin piece also the one in which he called Becker a "baby-faced nazi" or something like that? My recollection is that it was a rather mean-spirited article to begin with...but it's been years

or maybe you're just a troll.

oops

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 19:14:39 ET
Posted by: A. Bierce,

How many of us SD fans feel that WB is overly defensive about Dick Cromelin citing his doozy drug days? Why does WB feel the need to inject his sarcasm-as-defense toward Cromelin's fairly accurate statements about WB drug abuses. It seems Walter doesn't seem to like to admit he fucked up. Too bad. We all make mistakes. The bear got him good. DF is much more self-effacing and ingenuous about his past personal struggles in his interview. WB still had (in '91 anyway) that spiteful attitude. He seems to have mellowed and accepted himself much better as of late.


Becker and Fagen responded in separate letters to the LA Times
Becker Responds

Congrats to Richard Cromelin for his incisive coverage of the drugs-and-depression angle of the Steely Dan story ("Return Of 'Me Nightfly," Nov. 3).

What a pleasure it is to have the sordid facts surrounding the (un)timely demise of our "cerebral rock duo" dredged up after 12 or so years. Leave it to a past master like Cromelin to realize that it would be possible to leave the first mention of the word drugs until almost the end of the first paragraph without in any way compromising the integrity of his piece.

I would also like to thank Cromelin for his generous offer to help in ghostwriting an autobiography of me, tentatively titled "Down and Out With the Dan: Drug-Crazed Guitarist Tells All," which would, he tells me, be published (initially) in weekly installments in that distinguished Australian newspaper the Outback Tattler, and for which I would be remunerated in U.S. dollars or controlled substances, whichever I prefer.

Kudos also to your photographer, whose portrait of Donald Fagen in his favorite easy chair truly captures the stately mood of part of an afternoon spent with him in his heavily armed compound hidden deep in a lush jungle valley somewhere in Paraguay.

Walter Becker
Maui, Hawaii

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 17:42:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

I have yet to spot Franz walking the beach, but there is definitely something Kafkaesque about my life.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 16:51:59 ET
Posted by: Laurie, by the sea

I was a little late getting to ticketmaster for the berkeley tickets so they were offering me seats way back and to the side, but I found a link that said "some people have tickets they'd like to sell" or something of that nature and went to see what it was about. I imagine they're season ticket holders. It cost a couple arms and a leg, but Robert and I are sitting fourth row center at the greek theater. I got a nice pat on the head for that one.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 16:37:18 ET
Posted by: the marquis, funway west

oops that is the marquis,,,before you jump on me for my spelling!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 16:35:57 ET
Posted by: the marquisq, funway west

happy anniversay 4.18.74 steely dan plays boston's orphuem theater, i was there , zoom forward, 1st day of presale for camden,,, time 10:00am and 20 seconds and the best i can score is dead in front in the second section back, ticketbastard sucks !!!!!!!!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 16:12:57 ET
Posted by: vncxskfnsif, KTOrgQVFZBYBqTihBi

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Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 13:55:07 ET
Posted by: heche zee murakami, dance dance dance

dude deano - did you see kafka on the shore?

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 12:57:07 ET
Posted by: My , Wild Guess

Old Regime

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 11:47:41 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,

Speaking of "Song for my Father", a song which contains a riff similar to that of Rikki's intro has been a subject of much controversy. In a recent statement by Don F. himself while serving as guest DJ on Sirius Radio he intimated that he ws looking to lay down a "Brazilian" bassline and that it was session player who laid down "Song for My Father". Don F. went on to say that if he had caught it, he would not have used it in Rikki, which was conceived/recorded presumably circa 1973-74.

Well, that is all well and good, but it must be noted that that controversial "Brazilian" or "Song for my Father" bassline was NOT the first time that the Dan used that concept.

What pre-Old Testament tune uses the same or highly similar "riff" or bassline?

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:40:15 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, not upstate

Nice catch, Web Search: *ahem* and duly noted that Bard (right next to Barrytown) is considered Upstate.

Dean: "The "north of Rockland County" criterion is from those in NYC (it is totally NYC-centric)."

[With all due respect and please pardon my over-the-topness]
Dean, you say that like it's a BAD thing, which, y'know, it's not. I mean, the WORLD is NYC centric (as it should be, right?). We all know the sun revolves around the earth because, like, scientists and stuff want it that way so they control it, and then there's the Earth revolving on it's axis which goes RIGHT through NYC; so basically, NYC is the center of the universe and NYers expect to be treated accordingly, y'know?
Listen, everything north of the GW Bridge is considered upstate, because, like, it IS.
Woodstock? upstate.
Garrison? upstate.
Annandale-on-Hudson? upstate.
Syracuse? upstate again.
Massena? Like WAY Upstate.

The problem is, because Upstate is so friggin huge, the term isn't a reliable descriptor.
But I wonder about that show, now, I mean, it's SO UPSTATE and to the Left that they might have to worry about snow and stuff. Y'know, lake effect snow from the wilds of Canada. Maybe the boys will be Snowbound!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:38:27 ET
Posted by: Want more proof, that everything is upstate?

You need to read no further than the two paragraphs into the Sweet Bio to learn that the Catskills are upstate.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:37:11 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach Correctional

HZ,

The beach front prison isn't really all that bad. But, I believe I just got the goodbye look.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:30:06 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

ah, wasn't it so nice last week when everyone was happy and discussing fine Colombian and Cuervo Gold...now we have people bitching about geography....

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:26:27 ET
Posted by: hz, really now

well, deano, its clear that you do want to start a pissing match.

having been a resident of all those towns in NY (seems everyone is part of the the NY penitentiary system - coincidence?), you should know what upstate is and it will never change. so just let it drop.

thats the way the locals have done it for ever. i mean, they are the salt of the earth - you know morons -ah, yankee fans.

now you are going to start going off on folks who use the term indian. we still use that amazing misnomer. when is the last time you had a nice Makki Ki Roti in a teepee?

pretty amazing that they let you have a computer in your cell down there in FL.

call me deacon blues.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:25:52 ET
Posted by: One more thing, not upstate

Regardless of where you consider upstate to be, change your bait and move there before the season closes.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 10:03:16 ET
Posted by: Web Searcher, ...

Numerous references to the boys attending Bard college in UPSTATE New York.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=donald+fagen+college+upstate+new+york

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 09:58:44 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, hats and hooters in tow...

Hey All,

Now I'm really, truly torn: Red Rocks seems like the one to do, from here on the Edge of the Desert...

But I know the bigger, bestest Danfests will be either on the East or West coast (and Chi-town is looking dandy, too, as of this instant)! Who's doing which shows, do you reckon?

Any official word on which NYC date(s) will constitute the virtual Big One this year? Some of the Cali shows look very inviting, too, but again--I'm wondering which of us are flocking to that singular, magical Danner Nation Mecca...

Will it be door number one, two, three, five, or six?


Okay,
Bobbo

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 09:58:14 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

I don't want to start a pissing contest, but:

saying that, because the medial center in Syracuse is the "Upstate Medical Center" it must be right (or OK) to call any part of NYS north of Rockland "Upstate" is like a white person saying that it is OK/right to call African Americans "colored" because of the use of "colored" in the NAACP.

Both of those titles are a part of the past, and use a reference from another place/culture. The "north of Rockland County" criterion is from those in NYC (it is totally NYC-centric).

My issue is that it is relatively useless as a descriptor and does little to indicate, geographically, where something in the state is really located. BTW, here are the recognized regions of New York State:

http://visitnewyorkstate.net/regions/

"Upstate" might be a valid moniker for St. Lawrence or Clinton Counties, but if it is also used for Chautauqua and Westchester, it loses any value as a descriptor.

I don't expect to change any minds. though. People still consider the Jets and Giants to be New York teams, even though they play all of their home games (and have team headquarters) in New Jersey. :#)

(BTW, I may be in Florida now, but I have lived in Niagara Falls, Buffalo, Albany, NYC and Long Island. Of those places, the only place where 90% of the state [geographically] is called "upstate" is in NYC and Long Island.)

Now, how about that Steely Dan!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 09:53:16 ET
Posted by: Roger Wilco , Is it a Matter of Trust?

...when you live in this world, you're feeling the Matter of Trust.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 08:55:12 ET
Posted by: up, state

Hey, "The Dean", Canandaigua is upstate NY, whether you like it or not. You can also call it all that other stuff (Finger Lakes, etc.), but anything north of the NYC suburbs (roughly north of Rockland County) is upstate NY, just as I've heard Long Island called "downstate", even though you could obviously also call it Long Island.

The state of New York itself understands this; see, e.g., SUNY Upstate Medical University, in Syracuse, which is not that far from Canandaigua.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 08:32:57 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, in Dreams

That Wilco track has the same groove and the little wurly figure not quite nearly note for note. It even has the guitar "chuck" on the downbeat and you feel as if they could step right over to COTG and come back again.
Check it out. It's weird.
http://www.last.fm/music/Wilco/_/Glad+It's+Over

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 08:26:09 ET
Posted by: I can tell by the plains of your face, You're from upperstate

The New York show is upstate.

What exit is Camden?

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 07:59:51 ET
Posted by: BillinPgh,

Anybody else hear the new Wilco single "Glad It's Over" from the Heroes soundtrack? Rather blatant use of the main riff from "Change of the Guard", on Wurlitzer piano, yet! Rest of the song has no connection to the SD tune but if people accuse D&W of borrowing a simple latin bassline from "Song For My Father," this is much more obvious. Nice, rather poppy song anyway.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2008, 00:17:58 ET
Posted by: Outside of Rochester, Rochester

Picky ... SD website called the July 11 date "upstate" New York earlier today. I was just being helpful as I work there.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 18:18:20 ET
Posted by: varrock, zxXhrKnyRnegC

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Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 16:15:58 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Well it sure keeps getting interesting over at SD.com! They now have moved the Ironstone gig to August 9th! Leaving July 21 through the 25th wide open.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 15:58:18 ET
Posted by: JIM E, L.A.

If anyone's interested the password for the stateline Harvey's show is " reward "

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 15:56:06 ET
Posted by: JIM E, L.A.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 15:45:43 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Work

The Dean, bless you. Coming from Cortlandt Manor, an hour outside of NYC, you have no idea how often I hear people refer to Westchester County as "upstate" and how much that infuriates me. Anything north of Yonkers is upstate according to city residents.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 14:47:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Not to be too picky, but Canandaigua isn't "Upstate" New York. (Some people call everything north, and west, of NYC "Upstate". That's about as useful as calling everything north of San Diego "Northern California".

Canandaigua might be called Western New York, Central New York or, most properly, The Finger Lakes Region of New York State.

Canandaigua's a nice place, though. Since it's on a Friday night, you could spend Saturday at Finger Lakes Race Track.

And, Chris, Michael knows absolutely nothing. I think that's pretty obvious.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 14:22:10 ET
Posted by: Outside of Rochester, Same as above

The upstate New York date is the Constellation Brands Performing Arts Center (formerly the Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center) in Canandaigua, NY. It's about an hour from Rochester, 90 minutes from Syracuse. http://www.cmacevents.com/Default.aspx

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 14:17:01 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,

I found it on another website. E-mail me if you need it.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 13:50:41 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,

Presale for Harveys Tahoe is currently underway. If anyone has a presale code or password they wish to share it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 13:44:09 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Michael, what gives you that idea?

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 13:24:37 ET
Posted by: adorableghost, CA

Another update on sd.com - in upstate NY....still holding out for LA/Central Coast CA and my economic stimulus payment to stimulate my ears this summer....

hope to see some of you soon!
-AG

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 13:19:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Very old indeed, just so but oh...the memories.

Walter Becker's recycled flattulence would most probably sound better that what I hear out there now.

Man, I am getting old.

;)

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 12:00:26 ET
Posted by: Yes, I'm Michael, .

I gather Walter's "new" solo album is mostly just reinterpretations of older SD material that never made the cut/was simply never released.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 11:12:42 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, Scouting Store Locations

Ken: I'm looking at a Beacon or two, and perhaps Montreal. U?

So hey all you NYC potential visitors, before you think the Penninsula Hotel and Mr. Chow's are the only two places to visit while in NYC - as graciously mentioned by a former NYC resident two decades prior - let me fill you in on another!

Inspired by the boys last record, some wiseacre has decided to plagiarize the reference (because it's never been used before) and name a store after a Steely Dan record. The Nerve!

But's it IS *sigh* someplace to go in this vast, hopeless dessert of a town. Dip into this.

http://gridskipper.com/380601/everything-must-go

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 10:51:18 ET
Posted by: ken,

AnonTwit - Are you going to any shows this tour?

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 10:19:26 ET
Posted by: Casual fan, Eh

FYI, Live Nation's site lists Sam Yahel as opening act for the Boston and Camden shows.


http://www.livenation.com/artist/getArtist/artistId/4378/

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 09:28:01 ET
Posted by: Earl C Anthony,

"Yeah there's the Peninsula Hotel and Mr. Chows but what if they were to bump into those Babylon Sistras whom by now must be in their 50s and whose once supple bodies now resemble leather handbags? Too many ghosts and bad memories. On to Apple Valley. Yikes. ;)

Raj, from my perch I notice that the boys have aged too. Funny thing about that, it just happens. I love 'em like gods, but they look like old white men to me.

Sort of like you.

Hehe.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2008, 01:49:20 ET
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Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 18:07:49 ET
Posted by: We Jest,

No Country For Old White Men

Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 18:01:51 ET
Posted by: Gold, Card

Gold Card password is the 1-800 number for customer service on the back of your card.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 17:24:56 ET
Posted by: Laurie, by the sea

"Yeah there's the Peninsula Hotel and Mr. Chows but what if they were to bump into those Babylon Sistras whom by now must be in their 50s and whose once supple bodies now resemble leather handbags? Too many ghosts and bad memories. On to Apple Valley. Yikes. ;)

Raj, from my perch I notice that the boys have aged too. Funny thing about that, it just happens. I love 'em like gods, but they look like old white men to me.

Sort of like you.

Hehe.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 12:30:19 ET
Posted by: h, c

Update at sd.com

Camden/Philly Pre-Sale Today.

General sale this Saturday.

Special guest at some shows is confirmed at sd.com to be Sam Yahel but some discussion/chatter/speculation/fantasizing here suggests that the opening act may vary.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 11:12:45 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, near my bitches brew

Silly Wabbit, Fusion's for Scientists, or Joe Zawinul. Agreed, Deano, on the fusion label NOT fitting to the Boys.

Category Type: 1) Steely Music. 2) some Steely Dan, ex: I'm goin' to the party and put on 'some Steely Dan'.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2008, 10:39:01 ET
Posted by: Chuck, Lancaster, PA

Does anyone know if there will be an opening act on the summer tour. I just scored 2nd row pit for Camden, but I have an obligation until 8pm that night.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 16:05:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Chris, many call Aja the greatest Jazz Fusion album of all time. That label doesn't work for me, but neither do any of the others.

When I put any Steely Dan (or Fagen/Becker solo stuff) on my computer, under "genre" I always call it: Steely Dan Music. I can't think of any traditional genre that makes any sense.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 15:56:04 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Re: Boston.com
Jazz Fusion? Really?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 13:38:09 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Upcoming shows in Beantown

Here's a pretty cool picture of The Donald in today's boston.com:

http://www.boston.com/thingstodo/gallery/2008concerts?pg=14

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 13:12:37 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Jesse, for what it's worth:

Casinos are a great place to get last minute tickets, in my experience (I worked at a casino for awhile, too). The casino keeps some aside for high rollers, and sometimes (often) those guys don't end up using them. Also, sometimes ticket holders go to the show early and start gambling. I have seen many instances where the concert goer was either losing his ass off (and needed money) or winning and didn't want to leave the tables. Either way, these tickets can often be had at face value, or less.

I know it's not the same as having your guaranteed tickets, in hand, But, for those who want to go, and can't seem to get a ticket, you might consider just showing up at the casino and inquiring. Your best bet tends to be at one of the bars and asking the bartender, or going to a table to gamble a little, and letting the dealer and the pit boss know you are looking for seats.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 12:28:06 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

FUCK CASINO RAMA!!!

First, Ticketmaster is 10 minutes late in putting the tickets on sale. Then the second they go on sale, I can't even get 2 seats together. I had to get 1 shitty ticket. Ach!!

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 10:55:16 ET
Posted by: hooliGan fan, "drinking the last poisonous drop"

just an interlude whilst folks look for tickets to master or nationalive.

Steve Lukather's "Stab In The Back" is all about carving his signature with Steely Knives.
His son Trev and daughter Tina are in on it too.

lyrics are cryptic.

catchy wah-wah guitar licks. real catchy.
and before that, a dash of a Star Trek-like "captain Kirk exchanging looks with Spock in a precarious situation" :-)

towards the end you can hear Luke say

"Skate a Little Lower Now" and to act as if I am channeling Bodacious Cowboy/Daddy G... i googled this SD line and found the boise link. it is funny to see how parts of lyrics have become household understandings.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A218021

and for some cutting lyrics analysis:

http://www.prosoundweb.com/studyhall/bp/hits/inside2.php

has anyone visited the Walter Becker site for the Mad Mad Libs?

it is all about wordplay. a challenge for the restless minds for sure!

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 08:04:01 ET
Posted by: The Pala show, Ticketmaster.com

And you will see it

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 07:51:33 ET
Posted by: Craig B, AV CA

Gus
I've seen nothing about SD at Pala but bring it on...only 2hours away

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 07:15:26 ET
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, Undisclosed

Re my last post: Do you need a code/password for the AmEx presale or do you just need to pay using an AmEx card?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 07:07:43 ET
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, Undisclosed

The AmEx presale for the Camden show starts tomorrow. I have an AmEx Gold Card but am unable to find any details about a password or how the presale works on the AmEx Web site. What are us AmEx-holders to do?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 06:22:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Ticket sale info for CAMDEN NJ added to steelydan.com. It is this weekend, not 4/26 as listed on DF.com

Date: Tues, April 15, 2008, 01:01:10 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Have been offline since Friday AM due to a Las Vegas trip and in getting caught up, I noticed that clicking on the steelydan.com tour date links shows the following on Ticketmaster.com:


Tue, 08/05/08
Palomar Starlight Theater - Pala Casino, Pala, CA
Steely Dan
More Info » currently not on sale

I scanned the posts for the last several days and did not see this, but my apologies if it is old news. Perhaps this leg of the tour will be known as the 5-15 portion, i.e., Interstate 5 for most of the West Coast, and Interstate 15 when in the vicinity of downtown LA. Regardless, this is good news if accurate, as I had a poor experience trying to buy Berkeley tickets over the phone yesterday; I won't bore you with the details here

GW

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 21:24:16 ET
Posted by: George , in Paris

That was a nice nod to Hoops and the Danfest Registry in the SD newsletter that came out this morning. Nice to see some official notice of all the good work.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 20:15:05 ET
Posted by: SteelyDean, On the Dunes

How come Steely Dan and Donald Fagen's web sites don't match concert info?

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 19:29:46 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana,

New "on-sale" ticket info for CT, NJ, OH, and Ironstone Winery at DonaldFagen.com

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 18:02:34 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" ..an article at Pollstar mentions a June 4 Steely Dan date in Lawrence Kansas... "


Would have to be Bonner Springs , KS ( ... just West of Kansas City ) .


Red Rocks is lookin' GREAT

http://www.redrocksonline.com/index.asp

JJJJJJOEY

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 17:51:52 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

El Sup, love the Louisville Palace! I've been there a few times. Alison Krauss & Union Station filmed their live DVD there in fact. Beautiful venue, great sound. Very intimate atmosphere.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 16:35:50 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

GM, I feel like I'm doing viral advertising for LN, but another perk is that they let you print out their tickets at home for free instead of the asinine $2.50 cent fee to do so at Ticketmaster, so you can get your tickets right away.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 15:22:58 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, ((I heard it on the X))...

Ladies and gentlemen...did somebody say DENVER?! Aw, Godamighty...screw the cup. I'll take a whole PINT of that action, Gretchen! Who's in?

Bb

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 14:42:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

..an article at Pollstar mentions a June 4 Steely Dan date in Lawrence Kansas...

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 14:03:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Work

Chris, I'll agree that LN can get you better seats than TM, but the last time I used LN and TM in the same season I had to wait forever for my tickets to be mailed to me. TM tends to send their tickets out pretty quick, but it was weeks before I had my LN tickets and they had me worried sick. Just some helpful info.

By the by, I drove past the Beacon Theater Saturday night and just as I was driving past, the marquee lit up with "Steely Dan June 13,14,17,18,20" Ah, how truly stoked I was to see that. I've got the buzz!

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 12:59:19 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

PS - update on walterbecker.com

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 12:32:12 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Just want to recommend using Livenation.com for tickets when the band is playing Livenation venues (to check, go to Livenation.com and see if your show is listed). The convenience fees look daunting until you realize it's just one fee instead of 3 separate fees ticketmaster charges, and it works out to be about the same. For whatever reason, I almost always get better seats on Livenation.com than I do on Ticketmaster.com. When buying Radiohead Tweeter Center tickets, I couldn't get anything under the "covered" section of the pavilion on Ticketmaster, but was able to find some on Livenation. Ditto for Steely Dan right now: Ticketmaster had me in the back of section 2 at the BoA Pavillon, Livenation put me in the middle of section 1.

Of course, both of those companies are soulless corporate entities, but what can you do?

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 11:25:48 ET
Posted by: JH,

Red Rocks, woo hoo!!

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 07:37:44 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar5, Sun Luke Mountain

ha. ordered the new Steve Lukather album Ever Changing Times from his Italian label, Frontiers Records. it just arrived. i went straight to Stab In The Back, which is a tribute to Walter Becker and Steely Dan :-)

and it is, by all means!

touches of the Two Against Nature album, cousin dupree etc.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 02:29:23 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

And are these lyrics mad libs killing anyone else?

"Like a permanent picture of your _____ in cement"?

Nice ...

Date: Mon, April 14, 2008, 02:07:35 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Looks like the Louisville contingent is showing up on the blue. Delicious! There will be some type of pre-dan get together even if it is only 5 of us throwing down some beer before the show.

Now if we can get the Dan to play The Louisville Palace ...

http://www.louisvillepalace.com/

Sweet venue!

See everyone soon!

El Sup

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 23:53:28 ET
Posted by: When in or around Chicago, around the time of the Steely Dan Show

If the Dan show don't totally scratch your itch there are two area bands, "Umphrey's McGee" and even better, "56 Hope Road" you might want to hunt down and check out if you are there over several nites.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 22:23:04 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

SoulMonkey, I'll be doing my best to make the Cincy show as well. I missed out on meeting up with anyone at the Fagen show in Chicago thanks to goofy circumstances, kinda disappointed about that. I'm kinda out of the loop since I've been very busy the past couple of months... Will there be any kind of get-together for the Cincy show?

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 18:54:58 ET
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Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 17:34:41 ET
Posted by: Conte Ciano,

In bocca al lupo, cara.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 16:17:01 ET
Posted by: Adorable Ghost No. 1, don't accept substitutes

Thankfully

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 16:13:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Soul Monkey, the tendancy to disappear intermittently is one of my best qualities.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 13:31:29 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana,

hoops:
any additional info on the NYC Danfest/Wing Ding festivities yet?

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 13:15:59 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, louisville, Ky

I remeber the Fagen Danfest in bits and pieces. I believe we were gathered at some type of Mexican establishment. I was drinking heavily with El Supremo, and our wives. Good times indeed. I saw Rajah outside after the show, and was about to say hello. I turned around and poof he was gone. I'll be doing the Cincy show this time around. I'm sure hoping for more than the last tour had to offer. The McDonald/Dan show was fun, but the brevity of the Dan set left more than a little to be desired. I guess the Wing Ding with be at Libo's again. The new "amitheater" next to Riverbend looks really nice. 4000 seats should make for an amazing show.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 12:57:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Would be great to see you again, GauchoAmigo. Actually the 2007 turn-out was so-so but pretty good considering it was a work-night Danfest. Now the Saturday night Danfest before Fagen's solo show in Chicago...THAT was a turn out! I want to say there was maybe four or five times that, plus some special guests. There was a fabulous Danfest before the Summer 2006 Tinley Park SD show (Tinley Park is 40 miles SW of Chicago).

One thing about last year's was that there was something like only 3-4 regulars from the BlueBook that came to the Chicago Danfest. I bet there won't even be six people from the Blue at any Chicago event.

If you really want there to be a Danfest in Chicago, you need to talk it up at Chicago at Dandom dot com. There are over 130 people (yes ONE-HUNDRED THIRTY PEOPLE ) who are signed up for info about any Chicago Danfest. NYC at Dandom dot com is the largest with close to 160 after the most recent "bad address" weed out. Of course I'm sure a few of these are people who simply didn't unsubscribe after visiting these cities for previous year's Danfests and Wing Dings.

Anyways, there is indeed a disconnect between those who hang out on the BlueBook and those who go to Danfests. The majority of folks who go to Danfests, plan and host them, and are on the Dandom lists don't read the Blue. Every now and then, someone starts planning a Danfest on the Blue and then butts heads with those who started planning a Danfest on the list for the particular show.

I have a Chicago Danfest location all rolled up and ready to go but I'm sitting on it to see if anyone else with a brilliant idea wants a turn at the chance to host.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 12:01:35 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Love Flim & The BB's!! I have four of their discs...three of the four are great IMO and there's one that never has done much for me. Drummer Bill Berg has a very unique style about his playing. He also draws cartoons for Disney. Drumming and drawing cartoons - pretty cool way to get the bills paid.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 11:30:43 ET
Posted by: Gauchoamigo, North Hollywood

I want to add my two cents in favor of a Danfest in Chicago. I'm coming back to Chicago this year to "Do it Again" and would definitely like a Danfest. Like Jim says, the one last year was pretty succesful, and I looking forward to coming back to Chicago.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2008, 00:00:34 ET
Posted by: podbay, Edmonton

Hey Jim, thanks for adding me to the Chicago Dandom list. (It's Randy Reichardt, btw!) I'll be attending the show with another Danfan who was in NYC last June for the Beacon shows. I'll probably fly in the same day as the show, and stay for two days in Chicago before flying back to Edmonton. If there's no Danfest in Chicago because it's a mid-week show, no problem, but hopefully we'll get to see you before and/or afterwards.

Now I'm also thinking of the Seattle shows, but will have to make a decision quickly, as the tickets go on presale tomorrow.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 20:24:49 ET
Posted by: Scott in KC, Kansas City

Coming from KC for the Chicago show...definitely looking forward to a Danfest.

Chicago Theatre is a great venue.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 20:02:22 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Regarding Flim and the BB's:

I had (have somewhere?) Further Adventures and New Pants. I never listened to them a whole lot, though. I guess I had to be in a certain mood.

I haven't thought about them in years. Maybe I'll dig through the boxes, tomorrow and, if they are still around, give them a spin.

With any luck, I'll locate one of my early Rippington's disks, too.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 19:21:16 ET
Posted by: Off-Topic, , But

did anyone here ever listen to Flim & the BB's? I just dropped Big Notes in the changer and that CD is still a pleasure to listen to.

Just curious if anyone else had any BB's in the collection.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 18:34:11 ET
Posted by: But,

But there was the news story posted last week that they will play Denver. That will probably happen in between. Chicago and Phoenix, don't you think? Why haul all the tour back and forth across the mountains? Long distances too.

Or maybe not.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 18:08:05 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Any chance of a swing through Dallas on the way from Chicago (7-15) to Phoenix (7-20). I would be a damn fine route to take. In fact, I can't think of a good reason not to do it.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 15:31:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Podbay: I'll see that you are put on our Chicago AT dandom DOT come list since our Danfest page is being rebuilt. Since the Chicago show is during the week, it makes it a bit harder to have a pre-show Danfan gathering--people are happy just to make it from work to the venue in time. Actually, last summer we had a pretty decent showing before and after.

As for playing L.A. and more dates for out West, I predict there will be more dates including something So. Cal. Among other reasons: As they themselves announce at shows there, it's like homecoming week or something when they are in L.A. and they see a lot of people from when lived out there in the 70s and even the people they have worked with since. The other thing is simply given where they have their break in early July, it seems they would balance the "second leg" of the tour to have about as many dates over about as many weeks. Between casinos and such in So. Cal. and Nevada, I'd say a few more shows will be added if not squeaked in.

The only thing is I'm less than certain about is relatively minor: if they will have another Midwest date around Cinci and Chicago.

If there's a post that isn't by you, please email. Ditto if you suspect someone is posting as someone else. Please don't post as such on the board...send an email and I will look into it and take necessary means.


Jim

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 12:37:53 ET
Posted by: podbay, Edmonton

Hey...just purchased two tickets to the Chicago show for myself and a friend. Also seriously considering the Seattle shows. Will there be a Danfest in Chicago? What's the word on presale tickets for Seattle?

- Randy

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 12:15:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Don't hold your breath, Josh, they don't particularly like LA. I don't think Universal or Irvine are such a good fit anymore. The Wiltern or the Wilshire make more sense but then there's the whole "scene" thing that I gather they don't cotton to much. The LA faithful will pretty much travel anywhere to see them, if we learned nothing else from the Soboba, Friant and San Jacinto outings, man what a strange set of shows, we certainly learned that. Going to LA on dare and going it alone I don't believe ranks high on their to-do lists. Yeah there's the Peninsula Hotel and Mr. Chows but what if they were to bump into those Babylon Sistras whom by now must be in their 50s and whose once supple bodies now resemble leather handbags? Too many ghosts and bad memories. On to Apple Valley. Yikes. ;)

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 12:11:58 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

OK, you fuckers. I just spent so much on tickets that my girlfriend is going to kill me when she finds out. Make it worth my while, please.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2008, 11:53:45 ET
Posted by: josh44800, LA

Sorry if this is already part of the thread, but any news if they're going to announce an LA venue for this summer's tour. I drove up to the Chumash casino show last year, and am willing to go anywhere in CA, AZ or WA to see them, but Los Angeles would be nice too. What's up?!?

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 20:10:57 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

To play Aja live, and play it well, is quite a feat. I wonder which song they consider the most difficult to play live.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 18:16:40 ET
Posted by: beaubo, NE OH

Boy, I remember the '03 set from Cleveland vividly, the highlights beyond the expected Peg, Aja, FM, My Old School, Kid Charlemagne, Hey Nineteen, Josie

Royal Scam
Haitain Divorce
Caves of Altamira (PLEASE IN '08!)
Home At Last
Babylon Sisters
Black Friday
Reeling in The Years (cool version)
Bodhisatva
Don't Take Me Alive
Pretzel Logic

From TvN, wouldn't mind 'Jack of Speed' or even gasp, 'Cousin Dupree' instead of '2vN'. And puhleese- don't totally ignore EMG like the 07 tour (sorry I just can't count 'Godwhacker', reminds me too much of 'Green Earings'.

OK, back to regular programming.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 18:08:23 ET
Posted by: Jon, Redmond

Apologies if this has been discussed already, but any word if the '08 shows are "an evening with Steely Dan" or is there a "bloody opener"?? I'll gladly pay the $135.00 for just SD.

What you say??

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 17:42:51 ET
Posted by: Larry,

Ironstone Winery - Murphys CA special guest? 10-1 it's Boz Scaggs!

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 15:50:00 ET
Posted by: Web Search, 1

The Ironstone winery site lists the SD date "with special guest" but does not give a name as it does for other dates.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 15:19:30 ET
Posted by: weeeoo, old a&p saying

dude greco- review the past and extrapolate!!

of course they have a change in the works - same songs, certainly, but a deep dub version of josie is in the works. that oughtta satisfy ya!


heck, they wouldn't be our fav oldies act otherwise!

i heard they were even trying to shorten their set by adding another act to the bill.

sam yuckel
starland vocal band
steely dan oldies orchestra

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 14:54:50 ET
Posted by: GRECO, CHI-TOWN

Will Sd finally change-up the set-list?

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 14:23:31 ET
Posted by: woh, woh

http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/midnightcircus/money.shtml

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 13:26:09 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, here

What's the password Kenneth?

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 13:04:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

updated on steelydan.com:


Jul 15 - Chicago Theater - Chicago IL | presale NOW | general on sale 4/12 < changed

Jul 25 - Ironstone Winery - Murphys CA | on sale TBA < added

Aug 02 - Harvey's Outdoor Arena - Lake Tahoe CA | on sale TBA < added

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 12:29:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The Blue Note is fine. It's pricy, but if that's where the band you want to see is playing, go. Pretty simple, actually.

Don't eat there, though, if you can help it.

Now, if you are just going out to see music, and not a particular artist, then I wouldn't choose the Blue Note as the destination.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 11:43:07 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, early resigned

Do I hear a parody coming on?

Blue Note, I'm dyin'....

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 11:13:38 ET
Posted by: MCEB,

Anon Twit "comped, of course" Wow! you must be an "industry insider". I'm impressed. To bad they couldn't "comp" your $200 check. I'm sure if they did, your opinion of the Blue Blue would be completely different.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 11:02:47 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Thanks to all for the Blue Note information. Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 11:00:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

I believe it was this morning's 7:58 am traffic report on WBEZ, the local NPR station in Chicago that was sponsored by the "Chicago Theatre presenting Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees Steely Dan on July 15. Tickets on sale at 11 AM tomorrow at Ticketmaster." Oh for the younger days when we'd hear that on WLS AM 890 or even WXRT which is now a shadow of itself.

I think SD should write a ditty inspired by WBEZ's traffic lady. She's had the job for at least 4-5 years, and whenever someone fills in for her, I start thinking she's got some inside track with the head of the station or something because he's TERRIBLE at reading the traffic. She could be another SD girl like "Negative Girl," "Security Joan", or something.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 10:55:37 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, still, ugh, on the Avenue

MCEB: I know I'm dissing your favorite $200/hour living room, and no, I have no claims to being friends with those mentioned. Not everyone like Joe, Chick and Larry come through every week. However, I do know that when you're on the BN circuit, you play them all, from city to city, as part of the contract.
Also, I am aware of the local scene and of those players who have worked there on more than many occasion, either as callup players or touring sidemen. Gee, I've even actually attended many a show there - comped, of course - and have been consistently unhappy with the overall results. So therefore, in my, and many a local working musican's opinion - to put it bluntly - the Blue Note sucks, ok? The acoustics are awful, understand? Don't believe, just know that it is so. It's a box of a room, the musicians are spread out, and it is not an ideal club;

And there are plenty of other venues in the city to hear first class jazz, in a warm, intimate surroundings without trying to figure out how to pay for the other half of the car payment.

So have your hero worship all you want. Enjoy. As a jazz room, the Blue Note's sub-standard.

Speaking of hero-worship: I am immensely looking forward to Walter Becker's release (as well as Jim Beard's).

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 10:37:10 ET
Posted by: MCEB,

Are your "friends" Joe Sample, Larry Carlton and Chick Corea? Because I've seen all of them play at the Blue Note every year for the past 20 years. The place is a (Japanese) tourist trap, but seeing your favorite artist in a venue as cozy and warm as your living is quite a nice experience. Even if it is a rip-off. I know that $200 a couple really got to you. But don't take it out on the sound system. Because there's nothing wrong with it.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 10:28:54 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Word is that the Friday pre-sale is for special members of the Chicago Theatre. Haven't experienced this first hand. Seems you needed to have registered already for this, as we have been discussing at Chicago AT Dandom DOT com

http://www.msginsider.com/profile.jsp?site=ct

As noted, http://wwwwdrv.com 97.1 has a prize of two front row tickets and dinner. Register at the site.


I wonder if CBS's increased heavy hand at once-independent WXRT is why there are no longer SD WXRT shows.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 10:11:55 ET
Posted by: Web Search, my ip address

Circus Money available for pre-order on barnesandnoble.com. They were the first to offer Morph snippets so keep an eye on it if that's your thing.

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Circus-Monkey/Walter-Becker/e/698268450523/?itm=3

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 09:57:28 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, on the Avenue

MCEB: furthest from the truth? Now you're exaggerating. Perhaps I exaggerated, but it's certainly not a great room acoustically.
It's simply banking on its franchise, compromising everything else, and overcharging. Friends who have worked there prefer to play elsewhere.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 09:40:58 ET
Posted by: MCEB,

Anon Twit -"Blue Note the room is bad for sound" That is the furthest thing from the truth. Everything else you said is pretty right on. But to see band that you love here is fantastic. I've been to a ton of shows at the Blue Note.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 09:34:49 ET
Posted by: AnonTwit, on the Avenue

George: Friendly advice here, don't do the Blue Note - the room is bad for sound - band off to the left, poor acoustics - and the entire experience, food, service, overpriced nature, is a big ripoff. (badsound,food,nastywaiter=~$200 for 2ppl. Not a priceless moment.)

If you want a jazz experience that's authentic, memorable and even tasty, try
-Jazz Standard (E 27 - great eats up or downstairs)
-Village Vanguard (intimate room)
-Birdland (still hoppin' on 44)
-Smoke (uptown - also great food)
or try Smalls (in the village - runs all nite)

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 04:27:41 ET
Posted by: Venue Cred., So far left, it's right

Woodinville, WA

'In 1969, rock bands including Led Zeppelin and The Guess Who performed at the Seattle Pop Festival at Woodinville's Gold Creek Park.'

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 01:06:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Hey George. The Blue Note is a great room. Go to the early shows, so much tighter. But don't eat there. Cuisine is pedestrian. I used to go to a filaffel shop on McDougal before the show. I got 5 dollars a day for lunch back in 84 while rehearsing at the Equity Library Theatre. I saw Tito Puente and also once, the immortal Sarah Vaughn. She sang Desafinado and I will never forget it. Sit back at least half way in the room, the sound is much better there. And don't take anyone with you who doesn't know and love the jazz masters.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 00:26:41 ET
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, netsurfin

official songs at walt.com



The Tracks:

Door Number Two

Downtown Canon

Bob Is Not Your Uncle Anymore

Upside Looking Down

Paging Audrey

Circus Money

Selfish Gene

Do You Remember The Name

Sombody's Saturday Night

Darkling Down

God's Eye View

Three Picture Deal



Songs by Walter Becker and Larry Klein, © 2007 Zeon Music (ASCAP)
and Exegesis Music /Chrysalis Music (ASCAP)
except Circus Money by Walter Becker, © 2007 Zeon Music (ASCAP)

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 00:18:56 ET
Posted by: minimum, C note

blue note - are you a japaneses buisnessman/tourist? blue note for you - mr miagi.

wax on - whacks off.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 00:14:39 ET
Posted by: peach basket, castroville

never said they were different designs.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2008, 00:13:08 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

If anyone who has been to the Blue Note in NYC is willing to email me some info about table vs. bar, about how many people it holds, etc., I would appreciate it.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 20:09:46 ET
Posted by: Chicagoan, Chicago

Check out http://www.wdrv.com

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 19:46:14 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

There is ZERO doubt in my mind that, if it isn't the same mask, those two masks are related. I think Walt's version might be a copy of the original mask. They clearly are not two separately designed masks.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 19:44:06 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

info for ticket sale dates for Chicago show is changed at steelydan.com

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 19:43:37 ET
Posted by: Workin' Late, Inright Outright Upright Downright

RE: New song 'Upside Looking Down'

Just wondering if this song might use part of "Walter's version" of the live 'Jack of Speed' from '96, since both the melody & lyrics were cut from the final studio version?

"Yeah, I know that your thinking how it might be just fine
For one, full blown tear across that thin white line
But will you be laughing when you're all alone
Looking down on the upside, locked out in the danger zone"

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 19:31:38 ET
Posted by: chris, noth

sorry - different mask - different artist.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 18:52:42 ET
Posted by: wlm, north

Hi Wicked Librarian -- I've researched those masks because it's a known style up here in BC...The mask of your second slide, which was obviously altered for the Circus Money cover, is from the last century. (says so in the show catalog). The artist you cite is a contemporary Yupil artist associated with the overall show
cheers,
wlm

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 18:00:02 ET
Posted by: hoops, tryin' to shake the flu again after I already had it back a month ago

Working on setting up the new local Dandom aka Danfest lists--at least the ones that have ticket sales coming up in the next few days.

Back in 2003, we had a list for the San Francisco Bay Area (Concord, Berkeley, Shoreline, etc) as well as separate lists for Sacramento and what we called "Gold Rush" which included the state fairs in the valley, Tahoe, etc. Should Saratoga go on the Gold Rush list or the Bay Area list or none of the above? Email response preferred.

Thanks for your help!

Jim

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 17:32:33 ET
Posted by: The Wicked Librarian, Due West of the Greek Theater, Berkeley

Circus Money mask artist and mask. Sorry if info duplicated.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/features/yupik/slide04a.html
http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/features/yupik/slide05.html

Loved the earlier Bartlett's quotation seemingly about Becker. Well done.

The Wicked Librarian

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 16:40:56 ET
Posted by: prez logic, Interpol

"How are things on the West Coast? I hear you're moving real fine"

It's nice to see dates West of the Mississippi popping up...still holding out for Las Vegas too...

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 16:33:03 ET
Posted by: beaubo, NE OH

....don't hold your breath for a Cleveland show at the moment, Mr. Hoo from Detroit.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 14:33:45 ET
Posted by: Mick, "Take the last train to Clarksville."

Dean,

Thanks for the link regarding the Moog.

Who would have thought that The Monkees and The Byrds were among the first to use the synthesizer? I still love The Byrds and altho i've never heard "The Notorious Byrd Brothers", it seems to me they were going thru a "bluegrass" sound during those sessions. Or was "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" their only bluegrass record?

As for The Monkees, it's with trepidation that i admit to liking them or watching their TV show. The rumor about them when i was growing up in Chicago was that the only Monkee who actually played an instrument was Michael Naismith.

Another rumor was that Ginger Baker died of a speed overdose.

I wonder if such rumors went from coast to coast.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 13:34:54 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Wow, wow, wow! When Steely Dan did a concert at a winery in Australia last year, I said to Wicked Librarian "Northern California has great winery venues, I wish they would play here." Wishes do come true!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 12:55:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Or maybe they will take a week off like they more often than not do in recent tours. Still, I agree that that would be the window in which to have it. Then again, wasn't it odd (at least from an outside perspective) for them to have something like a week or more off last year and then play Chicago and Milwaukee before heading to Europe? These guys keep us geuessing...

I was out yesterday. As for the "removed" or "censored" line on Tuesday night, it was up for only like 5 minutes when I thought, "Eh, nevermind or laters or something". I just thought it wasn't good enough. I do that all the time, post something and then take it down a minute later.

The dropped line was: "Coke and Coitus = no go" Ehhhh... Who gets coked up and has sex? Then I realized who does.

Other lines dropped (slightly modified):

"...the same goes for puke-streaked turbans..."

"...the worm should only go to those who know how to handle it..."

"...the Cruex Concert Series at Red Rocks..."

Thanks for the kind posts though.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 12:15:51 ET
Posted by: Dr Hoo, Detroit

It seems logical that a Detroit and/or Cleveland show will eventually be scheduled somewhere between Ontario & Cincinatti, where there are presently 9 straight open days.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 11:47:57 ET
Posted by: Just, Curious

Are you in the sun with your dress undone?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 09:19:40 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Now I've got that damn "Thunder Island" tune stuck in my head and I can't get it out!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 07:51:25 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

Anybody think San Jacinto a possible site in the cool month of August

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 06:52:47 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

I don't understand something. Almost all of the tracks listed have been up at the Steely Dan Database as unreleased tracks for a long while now. So did Walter just take preexisting material he worked on with Donald and perform it?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 02:44:39 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Well, another one came in overnight:

Jul 25 - Ironstone Winery - Murphys CA | on sale TBA

This venue is roughly 130 miles east of San Francisco. Getting easier to connect the dots.


GW

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 00:21:37 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Yeah Harvey's IS actually on
the Nevada side. But if you
look on a map, it is literally
just about right on the state line.
The game is afoot.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 00:17:11 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Nit,

The Harvey's website gives a Nevada address, so I think that the steelydan entry is a typo. Gambling is not permitted on the CA side of Tahoe (Native American venues excepted, of course), although I guess it is possible that the arena is on the CA side. The last time I was up there was 19 years ago to attend Marriage #1 of Sibling #4, and I have no specific recollection of this casino.

GW

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 00:12:03 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2008, 00:11:09 ET
Posted by: hz, mayan code

deano you are the balls - spirit rules.

little known fact: hooper invented beano.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:58:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Gretchen,
I must confess that I am a
sucker for "Thunder Island".
But then again it reminds me
of a certain girl and certain
time in my youth.
Gus -
Wow. So they are going to come
all the way back into the middle
of Cali after doing two shows way
up in Washington State. Hmmmmmm,
I wonder what the hell this means.
I hate this game!
Not really. I love the "chase".

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:34:16 ET
Posted by: Nit, Picking

Actually, it says Lake Tahoe, CA.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:31:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

That's for sure, Gretchen.

But, let's also not forget that, despite Jay's exit, Spirit went on to record some good music, including two fantastic (and highly underrated) albums, Feedback and Spirit of '76.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:27:43 ET
Posted by: Jay Ferguson, hey, take it easy

Sha-la-la-la-la my lady, there ain't no victory at sea unless it's mutiny.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:21:08 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, #9 Dream

Dr. Sardonicus, yes, a good album. However, it makes me wonder how Spirit key member Jay Ferguson went from that to the very forgettable (and perhaps you forgot) "Thunder Island" and worse, "Shakedown Cruise"......odd.


G

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:17:27 ET
Posted by: Web Searcher, behind my pc

Gus,

Congrats on not calling it sd.com

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 23:05:32 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

New date posted on steelydan.com: Harvey's Outdoor Arena, Lake Tahoe, NV August 02

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 22:25:50 ET
Posted by: john, nyc

any idea about detroit shows???????

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 21:46:17 ET
Posted by: Woody, Canada

It's simply Nature's Way. Much like that fine colum.....

sorry been talked about.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 21:10:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus? A most excellent album

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 19:48:51 ET
Posted by: ..., ...

man, are you sardonic or what??????????

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 19:22:01 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue,

Jesus, yet again. Give the man some credit. hoops does not make 'poop' jokes. Nor would anyone be talking about scatalogical
humor the next day. It was witty and hilarious. That is why we were still talking about it. I would not expect anything less than that from hoops.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 18:33:10 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Maybe they've done this before, maybe every album, but it looks like WB may release the lyrics before the music is out there. Genius. (I base this on the track listing now being posted on WB.com with a note to watch that space for lyrics.)

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 17:43:13 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,

Anybody post this likely WB reference yet?

Must helpless man, in ignorance sedate,
Roll darkling down the torrent of his fate?
Samuel Johnson. (1709–1784), Vanity of Human Wishes. Line 345.

http://www.bartleby.com/100/249.html


[Down in the bottom where nobody goes...]

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 17:30:36 ET
Posted by: ., .

saRdinian

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 17:29:15 ET
Posted by: WARNING, WARNING

DO NOT SMOKE/EAT THIS WEED AT THE DANFESTS

sar·don·ic - alluding to a Sardinian plant which when eaten was supposed to produce convulsive laughter ending in death

street slang: GONE-ja, the good night, hoops' heaven, hot shot, sardo

if i'm not mistaken, hooper's gardner/man servant, mr sam, is sadinian!!!

hey did i miss a hoops poop joke? - blue indeed.

popeye

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 17:11:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Good work, Alana. I think this may be the first semi-official list of the tracks, too:

1. Door Number Two
2. Downtown Canon
3. Bob Is Not Your Uncle Anymore
4. Upside Looking Down
5. Paging Audrey
6. Circus Money
7. Selfish Gene
8. Do you Remember The Name
9. Somebody s Saturday Night
10. Darkling Down
11. God s Evil View
12. Three Picture Deal

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 16:31:45 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana, ever hopeful.....

Anyone heard if there might be any SD concert dates in VA and/or Washington, DC this tour??

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 16:30:20 ET
Posted by: Alana, Portland, Oregon, in my office

Was over at Amazon. They have this review of Circus Money.

It's been 14 years since Steely Dan co-founder Walter Becker's last (and first) solo album was released. Now, at long last, the wait is finally over for the second. Circus Money finds Becker's sardonic sensibility completely intact and each of the album's songs, inflected with jazz, reggae, and rock phrasing, is a masterpiece of musical understatement and lyrical nuance.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 15:27:51 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

Wonder if old Turban Breath will make it back for the Tour?
Angel you going to Vegas

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 15:16:51 ET
Posted by: wlm, north

presale password seattle- I found this guy's blog who will post it when or if he gets it

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20080409/BLOG21/882417029

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 14:32:35 ET
Posted by: angel, LA for now, Vegas Baby Later

Lurker Ray: I am in sync with your thoughts on LA dates. I was looking around yesterday and no one seems to be booked for the time in question. We will see where and when they turn up in our Home Town.

Here's Hoping. :-)

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 14:24:57 ET
Posted by: Not my...., PDX

Does anyone know about a pre-sale password for the Ste. Michelle winery?

I've searched the digest, the bluebook and the SD website to no avail...? Help, please!

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 14:10:29 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

LWO - It is the worm that binds us....

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 13:46:50 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue, Dalliances?

Jesus, No one here is bagging on hoops. It was funny and hilarious. I'm sure hoops just later figured it was a bit 'blue'. Hoops is a big boy and can post or remove posts himself.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 13:27:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh forgoodnesssakkes, let's not forsake our sense of humour ovah heer. If we loose that, we're done.

On with the show.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 13:15:37 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Kindly allow me to be the party-pooper.

I've no doubt that there are certain people reading this website who certain people don't want knowing about occasional dalliances with certain things. So if a post was re-considered and pulled, let's respect the wishes of the pull-er and not keep making lame and joke-y references to it. Especially when the pull-er has been providing us with a great services for 15 and (almost) seven years.

Stop yelling "doses?", people.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 13:03:58 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana,

New info about tour dates and ticket presales on SD.com

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 12:43:05 ET
Posted by: bmvqbhpopy, mztuqlf

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Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 10:55:56 ET
Posted by: cheee zoots, in hoops' oven

mikey - great show but peg again??? those boys really don't like the true fan.

HZ

ps. will someone please build me a tannerin!!??

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 10:51:10 ET
Posted by: Wanker,

Corpsy V, That's awesome that your girlfriends uncle's third cousin twice removed from your aunts brothers father's mother loved Walter's new one!

And we all thought you were talking about Jim Beard this whole time. Geez

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 09:55:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Just goes to show, now that Hoopsie is, like most of us here, creeping inexorablby toward antiquity, he lets go with a volley of folly now and again. Who knew? He's human.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 09:48:50 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

I never tried coffee and acid yet. Thanks Hoops

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 09:39:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

By pulling his post (so to speak), hoops left me hanging all alone, here. Now, apparently, I'm the only shmo who has trouble in the sack while under the influence of the Bolivian powder.

Thanks, man...thanks.

:#(

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 09:00:57 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Stop teasing...

...must see Hoops balls out posting...

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:59:06 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

"Graucho," that's great! Wouldn't have ever thought of that.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:54:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I getcha, Michael, well done, I must own, I believed it for a minute. Course I'm gullible. I once posted some long drawn-out yarn about the lost follow-up to Gaucho. I called it Graucho.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:37:53 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

Just having a little bit of fun, if you will. It's interesting trying to come up with similar sounding stuff to the Dan because of their penchant for arcane references and intellectual hijinks.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:34:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well, jeez, Michael, a little more substance if you please. Was that merely a flight of fancy or is your last name Leonhart or wha??? Throw me a bone, brah...

Hoopsie, congratulations, you finally did it. You finally cracked me up after all these years. You posted some ballz out thing yesterday, then you zotzed it. I screamed. You're killing me over here worse than Liverpool did to Arsenal last night. And it reminds me of an old Hollywood story I heard from a guy who used to produce lots of these award shows, famous old guy, won't say his name but he remembers being on the staff at MGM when one morning Louis B. Mayer came into the room and declared, "Fellas, I had a great idea this morning. But I hated it."

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:21:30 ET
Posted by: Michael, .

Just got back from a top secret SD show last night. :D Here's what was offered:

1) Tough-Luck Friend
2) Let's Call It An Affair
3) Josie
4) Slip Of The Hand
5) Taiwan Tag-along
6) Black Friday
7) Gone With The Savings Account
8) Trojan Funk
9) Deacon Blues
10) Peg
11) Señora José
12) Back In Da Bronx

Encore:
13) FM
14) The Second Arangement

What a show!

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 08:16:13 ET
Posted by: HeyMIke, aunt fays couch

I say it's pot also.

Sorry if this has been posted:


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7010577991

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 05:57:58 ET
Posted by: Corpsy V, Oktibbeha County

re: Circus Money.

My cousin's cousin has a daughter. She is married to this guy from New Jersey, his family owns a cleaning company in New York. This guy's cousin, one of the cleaners working in the family business, has this friend who goes to a pub after work? And that's where he got to talk to another cleaner (yes, even cleaners have their own places) who was rostered to clean the B & C Studios. Happens so, Walter Becker was recording his new album at the time. So, my cousin's cousin's son-in-law's cousin's friend said he can also be heard on the album. He was in the room when they had started recording some of the rhythm tracks, just the drummer and WB on bass. And he felt uncomfortable so he wanted to leave quietly but then he said he'd stepped into a bucket by accident and the noise he made and timing of it all somehow made sense and even him slamming the door remained intact afterwards. They let him hear the track and even asked for his permission to use it on the album. He said the music wasn't like anything he has ever heard before and that it blew him away.

So no, it wasn't Jim Beard, no.

http://www.livemusicblog.com/dates/08/03/28/steely-dan-tour-dates.php

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 04:29:54 ET
Posted by: scouser, tonyland

Sorry D . I was thinking about you my old friend .....Me and Frank long to hang out with you.......Hope you are happy .........

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 04:23:16 ET
Posted by: scouser, tonyland

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 04:22:11 ET
Posted by: scouser, tonyland

Hey Raj, If you can hide this post call me

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 02:14:44 ET
Posted by: not a theremin on "Good Vibrations",

Mick -
"Good Vibrations" did NOT use a Theremin. It used a cable/pulley controlled box called "The Box" invented by Paul Tanner, and apparently inspired by the Theremin.

http://www.oldtemecula.com/theremin/tanner/index.htm

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 02:11:48 ET
Posted by: Ah yes, Everywhere

There are Dan fans of a certain age on this board who know all there is to know about the fine Colombian. It's the most definitely the herb.

Straight up Colombian if that's all there was. Colmbian gold if you were lucky. Colombian red if you were really lucky. Back before hydroponic dope precluded the need to import anything.

Benign ? Not those two mixed together. Say what you will about coke and chemicals - few things (and nothing legal) packs a bigger whallop than booze. That's the one that puts millions of people on their knees puking.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 01:05:18 ET
Posted by: suedave, target

You mean Target sells the fine Columbian now?

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 00:26:35 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Ken, you got me there ... I was, in fact, not alive during the writing process of any Steely Dan album before Two Against Nature. I suppose I will have to take your and everyone else's collective word for it. For whatever reason, the entire Gaucho album is associated, in my mind, with cocaine, and for obvious reasons, Columbia is as well, so you can see where I would get the idea.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2008, 00:19:16 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Man, tonight the Blue has
gone "Blue"! I loved it!
hoops even took his own post down!
I don't know why? I loved it
hoops! If that is not the greatest
slogan for every danfest t-shirt this
year, I don't know what is!
Email hoops for details Denise.
Speaking of the tour, if you do some
simple math you can see that the
SoCal leg will most likely go down
between July 21 through the 27.
Just a hunch.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 23:45:40 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Of course it means Columbian weed. I can't believe people are considering otherwise in a debate.

When is the Target on sale date for the Columbian?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 23:38:10 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Considering I was 19 when Gaucho came out I hadn't a clue about cocaine, fine columbian weed though was readily available and had those lovely red threads through it. I always assumed it was weed they were talking about. Cocaine is not a mellow high thats for sure.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 22:31:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Mick,

I don't have the definitive answer to your question, but several earlier recordings used the Moog...at least according to the definitive source for all knowledge, Wikipedia:

"Two of the first phonograph records to feature a Moog synthesizer were Cosmic Sounds by The Zodiac and Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, & Jones, Ltd. by The Monkees, both released in November 1967, followed by The Notorious Byrd Brothers by The Byrds, released at the beginning of 1968. Wendy Carlos released major Moog albums in 1968 and 1969..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_synthesizer

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 22:20:20 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Mailbu

Ah, youth. Word to the wise
gents- If they were singing
about nose candy, they would
have sang, "The fine Bolivian".
Not Columbian. Plain and simple.
If you want to check the facts,
pick up a "High Times" magazine
circa 1980.
BTW - Today is the the 25th
anniversary of the movie, "Valley
Girl". Man were does time go?
Gag me, that's grody to the max!

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 22:19:53 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

LWO,

I think the whole point of the blow, weed and tequila is to make sure you end up with the worm. Sure, we say "snake", but who are we fooling, really?

:#)

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 22:17:51 ET
Posted by: Ken,

Taking into account when the song was written, (1978/79) I would say the fine Columbian is pot. I thought it was from the day the record came out. Coke was just starting to get popular at that time and the girls "didn't seem to care"/know much about "blow" in those days. Plus coke in the mid-late 70's was a lot of money. It was $100-125 a gram. You could by an ounce of Columbian pot for $25 back then. If Donald was talking about rolling papers in concert, it had to be about weed.


Chris- Were you even born when Hey 19 was written?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 21:54:56 ET
Posted by: Mick, "no city lights"

As long as we're on the subject...

Can anyone name the first song ever recorded using a Moog Synthesizer?

Something tells me that it was "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", but i just don't know.

I've only spent a little time researching this. Perhaps someone has a quick answer.

btw, as everyone knows, "Good Vibrations" employs the use of a theremin.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 21:36:40 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Bluebook Confessions

Blow...weed....how come I always end up with the Worm?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 20:32:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Quite a conundrum, actually.

I always assumed it was in reference to smoke. But, then again it is "common knowledge" that the young girls love the guy with the powder.

OTOH, many men (unfortunately myself included) don't perform all that well under the influence of the white...with the green things work just fine. (Yes, too much information). Of course, the ladies seem to do just fine under the influence of the blow.

My oh, my. Which one is it?

Does it really matter?

:#)

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 20:12:05 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Hm, I could be wrong, but cocaine always made more sense to me in that song. Fits the character, fits the ultra-polished, polite groove in the tune. Tequila and weed is a little too benign.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 19:04:15 ET
Posted by: The Big Guy, A Sunburnt Country

I always believed "the fine Columbian" lyric referred to reefer as well.

In the 70s, a doob and a shot (or three) of Cuervo Gold were a nice combination. In fact, still is.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 18:44:43 ET
Posted by: Jolly Roger,

Kid Clean - In the late 70's, when "Hey 19" was written, the vast majority of marijuana coming into the states was coming in from Columbia. Potin those days was also referred to a lot of the times as "fine". Plus, when Fagen does his whole "Hey 19" speech during the concert, he has mentioned going to down to the beach with a pack of "rolling papers" and a bottle of that "yellow tequila". I think the "rolling paper" comment backs up the theory that the "fine Colombian" is indeed weed and not coke. "Glamour Profession" from the same record, took care of the Coke part.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 18:22:31 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

Hoops, you are a wild man!!!!!

I've gotta party with you!


KC


I know it's come up before and I believe that fine columbian refers to cocaine. I had thought it was 'the pot' myself.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 18:00:50 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Hoops - I believe the proper wording is:

"Then some of us drop acid. Ba-da-bing. Rimshot."

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 17:54:10 ET
Posted by: LA Concession,

I believe the line "fine Columbian" in the song Hey 19 is referring to marijuana not cocaine.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 15:51:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Chris, quite often, and usually after the show when people get a little sleepy so as to have a pick-me-up. Although Columbian is there I prefer Sumatra or Italian. Usually it's ground for cone filter, not fine.

Yep, a nice cup of coffee.

Then some of us drop acid.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 15:43:49 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Hoops, on average, how often is some fine columbian made available at danfests?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 15:40:50 ET
Posted by: cj,

I noticed that Mark Knopfler is playing at the Chicago Theater on July 13. What if oh never mind.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 14:45:18 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Phoenix show now added on SD.com

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 13:58:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

So at the various Danfests through the years, I've seen Danfans wear fezes, long black gloves, white tuxedos to beat the heat, Ambush with a French twist, and the like; or they drink zombies from the cocoa shells, or eat red beans and rice (for a quarter) and other Steely-inspired concoctions.

But for the record:

For those so inclined at Danfests as above, please, leave your "puke streaked tunic" home, OK? Or at least drop it off at the dry cleaners before the show.

A public service message brought to you by Dandom.com


Jim

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 13:55:02 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl,

Ticket Bastard has added Dodge Theater, Phoenix, Sunday, July 20. Onsale Monday, April 14.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 13:31:18 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Zitomeyer:

You think I'm the guy in the hard hat?

I wish I looked that dapper!

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 13:18:53 ET
Posted by: ?,

Zitomeyer -Pic 4? What pic 4?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 13:11:31 ET
Posted by: hayy zoose, STOP THE PRESSES!

as a quite innovation and amusing marketing tool for the upcoming release of water becker's new cd - circus money, maleshyp will release a multi-artist tribute to Circus Money - BEFORE IT IS RELEASED!!!

here is the track listing as of now.

- "The Happy Song" - jethro tull

- "Circus Monkey" - jethro tull

- " Bob is Not Your Uncle Any More" -- Steely dan (demo with original lyrics to DADDY don't live here anymore)

- " Downtown Canon" - gov. spitzer w/the capitol steps

- " Darkling Down" - art garfunkel and EDDIE simon (paul's shrunken-headed brother)

- " Do You Remember the Name" - david crosby

- " Door Number Two" - freddy mercury

- " God's Eye View" - dick cheney (spoken word)

- " Paging Audrey" - congressional choir

- " Somebody's Saturday Night" - elton john

- " Three Picture Deal" - kevin bacon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jke7uv4X8&feature=related ( advance video!!)
these crackers would never make the FIRST cut on american idol!!!

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 12:53:35 ET
Posted by: Zitomeyer,

I Got the News
In pic 4 at Riverbend I think that is our own Steely Doc

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 12:43:40 ET
Posted by: yyyyyyy,

So Gina, Jim Beard was "blown away"?

Date: Tues, April 08, 2008, 12:26:52 ET
Posted by: I Got The News, Internet