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Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 23:18:40 ET
Posted by: DACW,

buyus interruptus...ahem...BuyDVDNow is placing pre-ordering patrons on a Waiting List that will be automatically notifed when the item becomes available...

Q: Holy f*ck!! If that post represents anything near reality - just call my fever dream a m-stradmaus moment...;'s kinda fightening actually...

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 23:07:38 ET
Posted by: ??,

Talk about your major pain and suffering!

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 23:04:05 ET
Posted by: spoiler,

Jesus, don't cry
You can rely on me, honey
You can combine anything you want
I'll be around
You were right about the stars
Each one is a setting sun

Tall buildings shake
Voices escape singing sad sad songs
tuned to chords
Strung down your cheeks
Bitter melodies turning your orbit around

Don't cry
You can rely on me honey
You can come by any time you want
I'll be around
You were right about the stars
Each one is a setting sun

Tall buildings shake
Voices escape singing sad sad songs
tuned to chords
Strung down your cheeks
Bitter melodies turning your orbit around

Voices whine
Skyscrapers are scraping together
Your voice is smoking
Last cigarettes are all you can get
Turning your orbit around

Our love
Out of
Our love is all we have
Our love
Our love is all of God's money
Every one is a burning sun

Tall buildings shake
Voices escape singing sad sad songs
tuned to chords
Strung down your cheeks
Bitter melodies turning your orbit around

Voices whine
Skyscrapers are scraping together
Your voice is smoking
Last cigarettes are all you can get
Turning your orbit around to whack God

Last cigarettes are all you can get
Turning your orbit around to whack God

Last cigarettes are all you can get
Turning your orbit around to whack God

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 22:59:41 ET
Posted by: DACW,


DVD-As for EMG and KamaKamaKamaKamaKamaKamiriad will be in and shipped by BuyDVDNow on June 10th and June 24, respectively!!:

mockT: when playing a DVD-A on a DVD or a computer with a DVD player, you'll get the equivalent of the audio channels from a DVD movie. Lower fidelity, but not bad. IMPORTANT NOTE: Whether you're playing a DVD-A on a DVD-A player or a standar DVD-A player or a computer, you will have to do a little "programming." The DEFAULT setting is usually the 5.1 mix, not the stereo mix. The stereo mix has the highest fidelity (192 Mhz sampling; 24 bit; 160 dB dynamic range) TvN DVD-A in stereo is worth the cost of the player - which is quite reasonable now. I can tell you that The Nightfly DVD-A does transfer better to my eMac DVD player than does TvN... Also, I can only rate Katy, Aja, Royal, Nightly, and Gaucho (tie) as as good or better than TvN-DVD-A...It's better IMHO than CBAT, CTE, PL, Kama, and 11 ToW...

It should be very interesting to see if things really open up for Kama on DVD-A. The differences between the CD and DVD-A version of the Nightlfy are nothing short of miraculous...although I've always thought the vinyl pressing for the Nightfly was better than the WarnerBros (hand)job for The Nightfly, just as MCA screwed up the first pressing (1985) of the first 7 albums for CD...

?? - I guess you can tell where I'll be spending my piasters...

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 22:58:52 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

"Yeah, I know the release is a way off, but I can't resist clueing you in on this wonderfully droll slice of self-pity from Don'n'Walt. "I kind of like fryin' up my sad cuisine," Fagen sings of life post-breakup, "and getting' in bed and curlin' up with a girlie magazine." But he misses "the good copper pan" and "the house on the Vineyard". Yup, it's the Yuppie Blues, folks! Musically, imagine a lost outtake from The Nightfly, for it's almost that good and certainly as funny as Two Against Nature's 'Cousin Dupree'. Watch out for an RBP Becker/Fagen Q&A coming your way soon."

This article, from Rock's Backpages, posted April 16th (got it off Andy's site) totally discredits those lyrics that were just posted - nice try though.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 22:17:54 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

To clarify, BB and TLM I consider it more justified to hear BB and TLM because the guys have released promo copies to radio for airplay...thus these are by no means being kept secret. On the other hand, I would consider a stolen or illegally obtained (even promo CD's are not supposed to be given away or sold) full length CD to be not only dishonest, but despicable. Especially posting things such as lyrics from songs that have yet to be released.

Hoops, I know that you are just trying to be a free speech type of web site. I don't think there's much you can do about it...unfortunately a certain "moronic paternist" thinks he's cool because he's got an early release. At least he has one thing going for him in life.

Sticking up for those who don't wanna know yet,


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 22:08:06 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco


Do you know who sang the high part on the chorus of Reelin? They hit a B at the highest point, but can't tell if it's Donny; might by Palmer or Hodder.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 21:59:37 ET
Posted by: ??,

Congragulations Hoops for endorsing this whole line of thinking. I am sure that Donald and Walter appreciate that you are providing a forum for the release of the new album before they were able to provide it themselves.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 21:52:44 ET
Posted by: Stupid Father,

?? you are a true artist at pulling my leg! In your honor I'm posting the lyrics for "Things I Miss the Most"

"Things I Miss the Most"

A cigarette that bears a lipstick's traces
An airline ticket to romantic places
And still my heart has wings
Things I Miss the Most

A tinkling piano in the next apartment
Those stumblin' words that told you what my heart meant
A fairground's painted swings
Things I Miss the Most

You came, you saw, you conquered me
When you did that to me
I knew somehow this had to be
The winds of March that make my heart a dancer
A telephone that rings but who's to answer?
Oh, how the ghost of you clings
Things I Miss the Most

The scent of smouldering leaves the wail of steamers
Two lovers on the street who walk like dreamers
Oh how the ghost of you clings
Things I Miss the Most
Remind me of you
How strange, how sweet, to find you still
These things are dear to me
They seem to bring you so near to me
The sigh of midnight trains in empty stations
Silk stockings thrown aside dance invitations
Oh how the ghost of you clings
Things I Miss the Most
I Miss the Most
I Miss the Most
I Miss the Most
I Miss the Most

Hug Everything,

Stu Fat

(??Whacker's on the case!!! Slang Me!!!)

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 21:45:47 ET
Posted by: mock t,

So it appears that TWO special editions will be coming out.

Question: can DVD-A be ripped to MP3? I'm guessing not, so I guess it's CD for me.

Also: Does DVD-A on a regular DVD player, two-speaker setup, sound as good as a CD? I have 2vN on DVD-A but rarely listen to it. The mix is different, but I think it doesn't sound the way it is supposed to sound.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 20:58:28 ET
Posted by: Eric, Balt / DC

We are trying to get everyone here in the Baltimore Area together for a DanFest, however, the lack of interest is mind-boggling. We are looking for people to participate...Come on Baltimore!!!!

I am also attending the Show at PNC on 8/17. Any DanFest's up in the Jersey Area????

"Don't make me do it without the Fez on...."


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 20:53:33 ET
Posted by: Dr. Warren Kruger, Krugerville

Mr. ?? - As eloquent a writer as you may be, I doubt that you could "come on here and spill all about every conceivable facet of the album...and still ruin it for everyone else" any more than I could do a similar misdeed by writing about the Mona Lisa.

It is a fact of life in the entertainment industry that teasers, leaks and hype all contribute to the essential "buzz" of any marketing campaign. Fan communities are usually hungry for any and all details and would not be deterred from buying the record.

So, if anybody out there that wants to tell all - it's fine by me. I think it makes the pre-release excitement even more fun.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 20:52:21 ET
Posted by: ??,


I love you , but you just lined up on the wrong side on this one.

No big deal, though.

NOW, look! Our SD Newsletter isout and we can buy BB via download
But, more important, TICKET help and other PROMOS! (Dr. Mu - they're calling you !)


Even you, Stupid Dominant MaleFigure, umm,I mean "it's like my STUPID FATHER"

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 19:45:43 ET
Posted by: ??,


you tempt me, but the whole point is I dont think anyone should do it.

I still ask you if you would like the entire transcript posted?

It's not that "I" need to hide on the Dandom Digest zone. It is that you -as a web "host" - are endorsing something gets in to a complete genie out of the bottle problem.

At least we know that the line is simply the posting of the MP3s?

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 19:40:32 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, by leech fangs

What's up with the hackitude?
Bad, boys and girls, bad.
"Go pick out a switch, young'n!"

Freakin' on BB...mighty fine vibe.

Tick-tock to tour time,

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 19:34:04 ET
Posted by: DACW,

hoops: Indeed. Case in point: Another 5 star review at As usual, make of it what you all will:

Review by drummer4sale:

Holy Cow!

Okay, I've been following this band for a long time. I was rather disappointed with Two Against Nature, though.

This album redeems the band, by a mile.

When I heard that the album was going for a more live-feeling, poppy sound, I said "oh, no -- a Donald Fagen solo album in all but name." Boy, did I turn out to be wrong. As much as the true fans want to gush over _Two Against Nature, come on, admit it -- it's just not as good as the first seven albums. This one is as good as them all, and better than some. It lives up to the SD name. It is not a Fagen album as I feared. Though some songs come close ("Last Mall", "Lunch w/Gina" - but they are great too, just not as great as the other songs in my opinion). Put it this way: if you thought The Dan lost their touch in the 90's - as I never wanted to admit to myself at the time, but now I can, as I have been proved wrong - then you are going to have to eat your words when you hear this album.

This CD is great - the lyrics you would expect, the tunes you would expect. Of course, Fagen's voice isn't what it used to be, but you can't have everything. Oh, yeah: Becker sings. He's actually pretty darn good.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 19:19:31 ET
Posted by: Mo,

Looks like some hackers "leeched" on to the website!


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 18:39:31 ET
Posted by: fezo, tomorrow's codger

I retract my earlier jibe (not that most noticed) at promo folks responsible for the Charlottesville region. Early in the workday this a.m., listening to the quasi-public radio station whose goal in life lately has been to get us all to worship at the altar of Lucinda Williams, suddenly I hear a vaguely familiar sounding intro. Reminded me a lot of the first time I heard "Century's End".

It's not that, it's "Blues Beach"!

Hard to extract much cogent commentary from listening to a tune over my $15 Kmart clock radio. Through that source at least, DF's vocal seemed surprisingly buried in the mix.

Otherwise, I would concur with the posters who have said it sounds most like a jazzed up and/or more loose "Tomorrow's Girls".

Good stuff

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 18:29:55 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, your jealous of me e-mail address

yup good ol' leeches. i see we have been pocking aroung some source html. its a servece provided by webservers to deter spiders (google, yahoo, msn search...)

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 18:29:55 ET
Posted by: hoops,


Do me a favor, email me your real info privately, be glad to chat to see where you are coming from on the phone or whatevah. You're a little too anonymous for me.

Fact is that the album will be out in a little over a month. Everything you describe is going to start coming out in reviews, guitar mags, etc. Heck, if it's like 2vN, album advances will be out soon too. Then there will be clips at I'm not saying you should find, copy and distribute the album--that's a no-no. But if there are articles about EMG, or members of the media, etc, who have access and permission to talk about it, why not? That's what this place is about. Yes, it's titillating not to have it in our hands. To be sure, if I were to learn through that certain things weren't OK to talk about, we'd support and respect them.

No, I don't have it but I don't plan to go out of my way not to hear about it or read the reviews, advance comments, etc. At the least, it's not practical to stop. At most, it's almost abnormal for a Dan Fan not to want to hear.

Hate to break the news to you, but if this is your idea of a bad thing, it's going to get really much worse.

Like I said, if you don't like it, you might try the Dandom Digest where items are flagged as SPOILERS. That's why there's the alternative.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 18:07:53 ET
Posted by: ??,


Hold on here.
So can I come on and spew about the enitre album - lyrics, delineate the various solos, describe the grooves and hooks? Where is the limit?

As far as DF/WB seemed to be concerned, the limit is 6/10/03

It's like the movie trailor that ruins it for you - even if it's in the moment or short run.

And is okay because it's "so close" to the release? And if so, where was the threshold between okay and too close?

Many people could come on here and spill all about every conceivable facet of the album aithout "playing the tune" ala MP3, but STILL RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 18:00:52 ET
Posted by: Oh mY God,


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 17:51:02 ET
Posted by: Bob, Adelaide

Hoops and the gang.

Thanks for the great new chat room, Hoops! 9 in the evening in New York is supposed to be when USA Dan Fans convene in the Green room, but we down under are getting together at night while you poor people are sleeping with the shade on the light.

So if you are up in the USA around 3 or 4 o 5 in the morning, come join us down under in the Green Room. A whole group of us is coming to the States to see Mr. Steely Dan, barring an Australia tour. Join us in chat.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 17:45:33 ET
Posted by: Maxine, Bay Area

Anyone know what this is all about?...

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 17:22:12 ET
Posted by: jk,

anybody know if last mall is actually a single - promo or commercial?

or did they get it to radio stations via some other digital form?

mike kenneally is good.

i was just talking to a guy in the ben taylor band who plays with him. says his newest cd is great.

hey who was the guy on the digest who is writing dan-like tunes?

i downloaded "visions and "city of dreams"

dreams gets close to it!


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 17:15:45 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

There is a great interview with Walter Becker in this month's Bass Player magazine talking about his bass playing on EMG. He actually says that if Chuck Rainey still lived in New York he would probably still be Steely Dan's bass player 'cos they liked him so much.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 16:20:12 ET
Posted by: W1P,

I should have named daughter Emily instead of Aja. ;-)

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 16:02:47 ET
Posted by: Steely,

W1P - You are a poor forgery of a Steely Dan fan

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 16:01:56 ET
Posted by: Blues Beach,

Earl and Question Mark Poster, I can't disagree more! I can't wait to read all these little clues about the new songs. It's NOT the same as hearing the songs. And then to hear it for the first time and see if it matches up what I thought it might be is so much fun. If you are going to be a June 10th martyr, you might as well lock yourself away in a room and stay away from all discussion, shows, radios, and articles about Steely Dan!

And question mark poster ( ?? ), I don't like it when you crawl in people's heads to tell us what their motives are. How do you know whether Father Stupid wants to flaunt his ego or lovingly share the clues I crave???? Why do you think the worst of people? With that sorta stinkin' thinkin', I could be cynical too. Try this: Maybe you too have the album but don't have the balls Father Stupid has to talk about, 'cos you are too chicken about getting caught with it. So you are jealous. If you had it, you'd be sharing. Or would you be keeping it for yourself? Maybe not true but it's just as valid a projection as you have made about Father Stupid.

Hey, keep the clues coming! I live for this steely stuff!

Blues Beach

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 15:57:58 ET
Posted by: Van, St. Paul

I can't think of a better present than EMG being released on my B-Day.

Thing is I'll be in Grand Canyon National Park then...any record stores there? Crap I'll probably have to drive to Flagstaff.

I noticed a lot of people listening to TLM and BB again and again-
getting them stuck in their heads. These are two very durable
little tunes, good choices for a such an early pre-release.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 15:56:06 ET
Posted by: DF,

I did a little research and discovered that Donald's second 'car' on Kid Charlemange is on an "A." In Tomorrow's Girls, his 'girls' before the bridge is 'Bb.' That is one half-step higher, making that his highest pitch to date.

For those people who have advanced copies of EMG, I have one thing to say. . . . .

Don't eat in class if you didn't bring enough to share with everybody.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 15:54:07 ET
Posted by: Chillin',

Earl - A few of us? Sheesh. How did you get a copy? I don't know how you're able to contain yourself, but I certainly respect your ethical composition.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 15:08:08 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Certain people just want to make others jealous, and make themselves feel important to have heard the album early. I wonder how people who happened to score an advanced copy of Aja feel today? Probably no better than they would have had they waited until release.

June 10 isn't that far will make it that much better to be surprised by the other songs. At least there are a few of us with some ethical composition.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 14:47:57 ET
Posted by: W1P, Cyber Casting

None Radio is an internet radio station co-hosted by Mike Keneally. The debut 4 hour show was webcast Monday nights and will be repeated 24 hours a day until the next live show this coming Monday.

It is true that on the debut Mike played Astronomy Domine and talked a bit about A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd. But that's no reason to avoid the program ;-0 Mike is spinning a lot of very interesting rock/jazz/metal fusion tracks for your listening pleasure. The URL is and I also placed the URL in My Homepage above

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 14:21:29 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I don't get how Father talking about the songs and lyrics is any different than the stuff we've been reading in the magazine reviews we've already seen in the likes of "Rolling Stone" or "Maxim." It's not the same as actually hearing the songs. Now if Father starts typing sounds as if he's humming the melodies then that would be different...very traumatizing... SeriouslyI don't think reading lines to "The Last Mall" in advance spoiled things when I finally got to hear it. In fact, I liked how it made my mind run wild with speculation. Kind of fun.

Yes, some are bothered about knowing the faintest iota about the songs before they come out. For those, we have the SPOILERS' section in the Dandom Digest.

Just my two cents.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 14:15:55 ET
Posted by: Crusty Punk,

Yeah Father, awfully rude. Especially since Pixellene is not even close to being the best song on the album.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 13:54:03 ET
Posted by: ??,

I didn't know it was now okay to start telling everyone the lyrics and about how all the songs go.

Awfully rude.

It seems some people's egos often get in the way of their better judgement.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 13:52:12 ET
Posted by: Scott,

Several lyrics of note:

Even Cathy Berberian knows there's one roulade she can't sing.

I stepped up on the platform; the man gave me the news.
He said, You must be joking son; where did you get those shoes?

(In their touring days of the 70s, the ending of this song used to bring down the house. Skunk, Walter, Jim, Donald and/or others would each sing a segment, with crescendos throughout.)

Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car

(The ultimate Owsley tribute, supposedly Donald sings his highest recorded note on the second car.)

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 13:30:43 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Regarding Jones Beach Tickets, I bought two separate batches today. I got an E-mail confirmation of the first, but not the second. I started to wonder if maybe you could only place one order today, even though I ordered two pairs of two.

Turns out that even if you split the tickets over two orders on line, you have to call Ticketmaster and have them manually send it through. That's how they confirm you are buying a total of 6 or less. Just make the call and zorg zikh nit.

Just thought you'd wanna know.

"The clock is close at hand" is one of many great lines.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 13:12:56 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

One of my favorite lines:

"Rose Darlin' come to me Snake Mary dreams along"
"I would guess she's in Detroit, with lots of money in the bank"
"Although I could be wrong"

Especially the Zappa-esque sneer on "money in the bank" by DF.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 11:34:11 ET
Posted by: Stupid Father,

I'd say that at this point the song on EMG that represents what I feel makes Steely Dan brilliant is Pixellene. Great lyrics, funny topic, cool sax solo and I love donalds otherworldly falsetto on gas in the car, so I can't believe how he tops that. And EMG's big surprise - SYNTHS - classy. Who's playing em?

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 11:06:07 ET
Posted by: Dan D, Dreaming


I did about the same, Got 2 seats in sec "G" and 4 seats in sec "5R". The next search were for rows closer, but further to the side, so the first seats were better views.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 10:24:15 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Very Interesting...I did go on for tix for Jones Beach and tried with two computers. The first one came up with what I think is 39th Row, center. A few minutes later, 6 rows closer, center. They didn't appear to block via IP or anything like they do with phones, where they allow only local area codes the first 10-15 minutes.

Hope everyone else had or will have good luck. Jones Beach is a great place to see a show! Try and make it if you can.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 08:55:03 ET
Posted by: BB Le Strange, Cyberspace

Big Fan: Ah yes. Introducing the new Rat Pack . . . Anka, Becker, Fagen, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Mr. Loaf!

BTW, thought it odd to see Meat Loaf and CSN slated for the Borgata, too. As it turns out, those same two acts are also appearing at the NY State Fair on Labor Day weekend.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 08:36:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At work early this morning

Will the Borgata show in AC be the most expensive of the tour? Venue only holds 2400. Gotta love these casino venues if you are a high roller.

Here's a little article about some shows there this year including SD.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 08:11:45 ET
Posted by: Chillin, what a joke

Mme- Right, you got to love these guys. To bad The Last Mall has no hook.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 07:38:28 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, on the lyric bag

Hi, all.

Great things going on.

Favourite outro's:

My Old School - boy, when he starts slushing that hi-hat, I'm in groove heaven!!!!

West of Hollywood - man, how many times can you possibly modulate in a song, and make it sound so F*CKING great?!?!! And Potter's IN - CUH - REDIBLE!!!

I'll leave it at that for now...

Favourite phrases:

"Your everlasting summer, you can see it fading fast
So you grab a piece of something that you think is gonna last"

"You've been telling me you're a genius since you were seventeen
And in all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean"

"I - I love you, (go away)
I - I hate you, (no, please stay)
I - I want you, I'm so U-u-u-undecided,
So divided, inside of me"

"She's lost - she's late
She's zooming on a couch somewhere
Or high - or home
I'm not supposed to call her there

I wait - I smoke
I stare into my coke
It's happening again
I tell myself that it's over and done, amen"

"Another negative girl
At the edge of the frame
Deliciously toxic
The original classic thing - more of the same"

"A goof - a buzz
If that is what it was
Then how do you explain
The way she looks when she's
Dragging me out to dance with her
In the summer rain"

There are too many to mention. I love almost every Dan lyric. They make intelligent, on-the-mark lyrics which sound great too. Amazing. You gotta love these guys.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 07:24:52 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Kaz, Mme_Erzulie and FANOFDAN - people from all over the world, condensed into the greenroom !!!

2 hours in there at 5am ! Kaz, your a bloody lunatic. Struth you breed 'em tough over there.

Best 2 hours of the day.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 07:03:23 ET
Posted by: BB Le Strange,

Earl: You're right about Steve Kahn being the featured guitarist on GP. Here's a link to Broberg's site that confirms this:

As for the nymphic v. metric debate, I guess we'll find out soon enough. 43 days & counting!!! I can already feel my nipples getting hard!

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 06:45:31 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

BB: Agree + Disagree w/ you.

1) Definitely sounds like Calhoun doing the left channel "Gropin' in the dark" backups.

2) It sounds like paranymphic to me.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 06:43:34 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Hmmm...I thought Steve Khan played the outro solo on Glamour Profession.


Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 06:43:28 ET
Posted by: BB Le Strange,

BTW is that Cynthia Calhoun that I hear singing in the call & response outro to BB. Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 06:41:14 ET
Posted by: BB Le Strange, In the Listening Room

Definitely hearing "parametric glider" on BB.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 03:09:59 ET
Posted by: Everything Must Be Shared, Spain

Why some people is hearing the full EMH?...
WHY NOT ME??????

PS: For the smart guy called ".", sharing SD music is simply solidarity not piracy. Well, technically it is, but, as SD fan, you could be able to understand a little double sense.

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 01:55:33 ET
Posted by: Lee, Right there on the beach at Malibu

Most favorite line, from the Fall of 92:
"I slipped it to you sideways...
right there on the beach at Malibu..."

Favorite outro:
Glamour Profession, Walter's wailing guitar. I always loved that song, but had never listened closely to that guitar part until a year ago. It is really amazing!

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 01:47:14 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

"For one more time let your madness run with mine"

"They got the Steely Dan T-Shirts"

Love 'em 'em all

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 01:41:28 ET
Posted by: db,

''We will spend a dizzy weekend smacked into a trance''

does it for me

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 01:25:56 ET
Posted by: Mr Tweez, Southampton UK

Turn up "The Eagles" the neighbours are listening.

Classic...Who are we "turning up" today?? Eminem??

Date: Wed, April 30, 2003, 01:02:19 ET
Posted by: suedave, the great northwest

Michelle - lucky you getting your daughter to go with you.

So I guess I wish I'd gotten an Amex card after all, I can see it's merits now....hmmmm.

After listening over and over to BB, my daughter said - what is that your favorite song or something, to which I answered "it's steely dan", here reply, "oohhh". I can't believe she didn't pick up on it. She LOVED cuz dupree, which sounded traditionally more catchy than either Blues Beach or TLM. I love them both, but also find myself singing parts of BB all day long, to keep the smile on my face....chillin'....

"You been tellin' me you're a genius
Since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you
I still don't know what you mean"

"A woman's voice reminds me
To serve and not to speak"

"Honey don't you think it was wrong
To interrupt my song? "

"Who are these children
Who scheme and run wild
Who speak with their wings
And the way that they smile"

"...there's no way back from there to here"


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 23:40:27 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Luckless Pedestrian, the guy at the end of "Only A Fool Would Say That" is none other than Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. I wonder how many takes it took to nail that.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 23:25:05 ET
Posted by: DanLyricCrackWhore,

These are a few of my favorite things:

where once we dance our sweet routine
it reeks of wine and kerosene

Theres a special place for lovers
One we understand
There where neon bends in daylight sky
in that sunny room she soothes me
cools me with her fan
were drifting
A thousand years roll by

shes got a touch of Tuesday Weld

I thought that I was dreamin
til the neighbors came out screamin

the fix is in
Youll be a witness
To that game of chance in the sky

the answer they reveal
life is unreal

double helix in the sky tonight
throw out the hardware
lets do it right

there's a ditch out in the valley
That theyre digging just for me

electrons dancing in a frozen crystal dawn

Whole of his half life left to carry on

Is there gas in the car?
Yes theres gas in the car

Every A-frame had you number on the wall

on the counter by your keys
was a book of numbers and your remedies
one of these
Will surely screen out the sorrow
But where are you tomorrow?

you can scan yourself
for traces of old heartache
The details of desire

:dust and despair
cobwebs and confusion
collecting in the corners of my room

alone in my cave
Its cornflakes and camels
And the long restless shadows of my life
None but the brave
Jim Beam and Jack Daniels
Channelhopping these empty days and nights
Glued to the screen
Rerun by rerun
At the Dark Outer limits of my soul
Stranded between the
Green Acres of my good intentions
And the Twilight Zone of zero self-control

of a slow but steady mental moral spiritual decline

and the warm night breezes come rollin in off the sea
At lantern time

"a vision of a child returning
A kingdom where the sky is burning"

"saying all is forgiven
maddog durrender
how can I answer
A man of my mind can do anything"

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:51:14 ET
Posted by: Rudegar,

Favorite lines---

I have sooo many but my original and still favorite is the great double entendre

"in the land of milk and honey
you must put them on the table" yeah!

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:43:43 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, @ home

favorite lines, after reading below and then off the top of my head

from here to hell and gone
kiss the check-out girls good bye
a fool in love with time to kill
what is said at the end of "only a fool can say that" - my husband can do that guy's voice, great at a party
love em til they run for cover

have to think more on an outro

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:41:18 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @on the road

Ditto on medical science lyrics....

So on target-concise-precise


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:33:53 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC

OK, someone was kind enough to email me MP3s of Mall and Beach.

Like so much of the Dan stuff, it takes several listens to absorb the grooves, the plots, sub-plots, nuances. Then it is in your head (and cannot get out) like a powerful narcotic.

Impossible not to love. this fan's humble opinion, Walter and Donald can produce music like these 2 songs blindfolded, with both hands tied behind their backs.

I've read some reviews (and haven't the slightest idea how they managed to get their paws on ALL the tracks) that says that EMG is as good, or even better, than anything SD has done. Man alive, that's a tall order!

Here's the site:

Who among us is in the know? Spill the beans!

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:13:24 ET
Posted by: oleander, take(s) two

Well, shit, I can't type.

tangoes with the infidel

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:11:55 ET
Posted by: oleander, on blues beach

Mock T, Michelle--You're both right. This calls into question what "official" means. If you listen to HD, he does sing "ma-ran-go." If you look on the ODP lyrics page, it says "merengue." If you pull out your remastered cd, you see "merango." If you pull out your original cd--well, mine doesn't have a lyric sheet. And if you pull out your lp, it also says "merango." And if I could find my Citizen box, there might even be something there, but I haven't seen it for years. Anyway, it looks like either spelling is "official." I initially thought that they were just singing a corruption of "merengue" for fun or it was a mistake. Eventually I recalled that Napoleon had a famous battle at Marengo and thought they might just have snuck that in. Now I just sing along and enjoy the shit out of it.

Very, very favorite lyrics?

all the jiveasses and the true believers
the bullshit givers and receivers
here today, tomorrow gone
to the triage tent in the great beyond
wherein the angel dances with the infidel

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:08:25 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Michelle - You're a great Mom!!

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 22:05:59 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood , (Coastal California)

Some favorites of many...

"If you're feeling lucky you best not refuse,
It's your game the rules are your own, win or lose..."
"If I had my way I would move to another lifetime..."
"I'm way deep into nothing special...
"My friends say no don't go for that cotton candy,
Son you're playing with fire..."

Hard to choose, really...See ya in the GreenRoom...JC

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 20:43:29 ET
Posted by: Firemop, @home

Anybody that can make the phrase"

"I drove the Chrysler" sound so cool is pure genius!

I also like:

"Lou Chang, Her brother he's burning with rage"
"You're for tough legislation"
"Is that my father, Mowin' the lawn (C'mon daddy get in let's go) "

Favorite outro:

Aja by a wide margin


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 20:38:40 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Gee, Father. I'm sorry. I didn't realize it said that. Well, the problem's fixed and I'll *positively* teach it some manners.

Will be a little late. See you all in a bit.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 20:31:18 ET
Posted by: Stupid Father,

Hoops - Its bad enough that I got kicked of the Green Room 1000 times last night but the message said, "You've been logged off, asshole." Thanks alot!


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 20:29:29 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Merengue

Yep, it's merengue.

I have dozens of favorites, especially...

"special delivery for Hoops McCann" !

"we'll move up to Manhattan and fill the place with friends"
"sweet music, tonight the night is mine"
"driving like a fool out to Hackensack, drinking his dinner from a paper sack"
"the answer they reveal life is unreal"
"the water will change to cherry wine and the silver will turn to gold"
"who is the gaucho amigo why is he standing in your spangled leather poncho and your elevator shoes"
"pretty boats sweeping along the shore in the faltering light"

It's amazing, I choke up as I type these things, this music means so much to me. It's helped me through dark times and brings me right back to certain points in my life, good and bad.

We are so lucky. A new record and a tour. I have On The Dunes stuck in my head now. Kamakiriad came out when I was pregnant with my daughter, she's nine now and when I asked her how important it was for her to go with me to see Steely Dan at Konocti, she told me it was "very important". Needless to say, I got her a ticket.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 19:55:27 ET
Posted by: Mock Turtle,

Is it really "merengue"?

It sounds like he is singing "marango" - a fictional dance.

Or, alternatively, I am uncultured and do not know how to pronounce "merengue".

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 19:23:10 ET
Posted by: hoops, green room


I received a few emails from people who attempted to log in last night only to have their connections dropped from chat right after they logged in. Please accept my apologies. This problem should now be corrected. Please don't hesitate to email me right away at if you experiece this problem again.

Thank you.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 19:12:38 ET
Posted by: DACW,

h: "Today, I'm really struck at how Walter's guitar line intertwingles with the bass line." That's yout Walter comment I MEANT to cut and paste - It's like he hears the whole band - guitar as spontaneous "fill" Amazing!

jon et al.: Yes it IS AUDIO wife asked me last night - how many times are you going to play that song!!!!

...hey, y'know I'm reminded vaguely of the chorus from the 60s summer hit "The In Crowd"...

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 19:10:54 ET
Posted by: Boyfriend Randall,

Great Line. Tomorrow's for squares - Tonight's for real.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 19:00:37 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

H: " I love how Walter bridges from the first verse into the emerging horns into the refrain. Sublime."

Steely Dan is a lot like modern architecture. It looks simple with a lot of sheen until you really study it and realize all the subtleties and understatements and how profound it really is. "

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!! That's IT, someone else gets it! Nicely put

Favorite outtros: King of the World, FM (guitar version), Throw Back the Little Ones, Your Gold Teeth II, Lucky Henry, TWM, Gaslighting Abbie (Plush), The Fez, Gaucho (title track!!!!) especially the recapitualtion and Ahhhhhhssssss, Kid C, Negative Girl, I Got the News, the very end of both the Nighfly and New Frontier (DVD-A), Deacon Blues (now that's classy - riding off into the sunset with a Sax), WoH, Black Cow (also very classy - an LA cool jazz pinnacle)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 18:58:06 ET
Posted by: Boyfriend Randall,

They have got several outros on EMG that last a while with not much going on. I guess that they are just tring to get a nine song set to last over 40 minutes. Fellas - you went back to analog but we have CDs now. You can put 80 minutes on the suckers!!!

You can call me Ramdy.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 18:49:43 ET
Posted by: Joe, St. Paul

West Of Hollywood
Dr. Wu
Everyone's gone to the movies.

When I hear the naked truth I will still be glad to know you.

I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play to long.

This the day of the expanding man.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 18:21:04 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Irving

Favorite Outros?

1. Aja: They sound like a kick ass band on this one.

2. Your Gold Teeth: Nice keyboard work to wrap it up.


I always like unusual phrasing:

1. "Try to make sense of the suburban sprawl"

2. "Me and you will listen to a little bit of what made the preacher dance."


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 18:02:37 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, going crazy

Does anyone know how much the Jones Beach tix are? I've got a silly idea of trying to make it out there..


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 17:06:26 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Some lyrics/phrasings that always make me smile:

"Is there gas in the car? Yes there's gas in the car"
"Here come those Santa Ana winds again"
"I guess only women in cages can stand this kind of night"
"Guadalajara won't do"
"Thanks for calling"
"When the demon is at your door in the morning it won't be there no more"
"Turn up the Eagles the neighbors are listening"
"So outrageous"
"She thinks I'm crazy but I'm just growing old"
"Sure he's a jolly roger"
"a nice relaxing hand of solitaire"
"I'm thinking of a major Jane Street sunrise and the goddess on the fire escape was you"
"I'm working on gospel time these days"
"'til the sun comes through the skylight"
"Won't you pour me a Cuban breeze Gretchen"

Some of my favorite outros:
My Old School
Haitian Divorce
Black Cow
On The Dunes

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 16:56:49 ET
Posted by: Marci, aka Blues Beach

I like Blues Beach so much that it's my E-mail address. That song makes me feel like I hope this summer will make me feel.

aka Blues Beach

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 16:26:55 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

"It was you. You! It was you! Tonight you're still on my mind"
"The band was hot so they danced the famous Merengue"
"It's perfection and grace It's the smile on my face"
"I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets"
"C'mon snakehips it's all over now. Strap in tight cause it's a long sweet ride"

and about a dozen others......

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 16:22:28 ET
Posted by: Hank "And a big tropical cooler" Silvers,

I played the 2 new songs for my wife, who (fortunately for all concerned) enjoys SD music. TLM didn't do much for her, but she was tapping her feet during BB. I hope you enjoy it, sweetie, because you're gonna hear it again... and again... as with others who have posted, those songs are sculpting my receptors just right...

Phrase: "Electrons dancing in the frozen crystal dawn" is the first good one that comes to mind.

Outro: Today, the minute and a half after the final chorus of Blues Beach is right up there, with its interplay of male and female voices and the instrumentation. Yowie, that's catchy...

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 16:01:55 ET
Posted by: trent lott,

classic lyrics:

"he's jungle jim - again"
"brut and charisma poured from the shadow where he stood"
"No white man's eyes have ever seen/the cruel primeval rite that you're beholding"

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 15:42:26 ET
Posted by: favorite outro/phrase,

Outro: Third World Man
Phrase: "With a cough, I shake it off..."

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 15:16:39 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks for the heads up, Big Fan. I'll get you a Jones Beach ticket , BF, but check your email for more info. Have to be at my PC by 8 AM here in Chicago. Jones Beach was such a great time last year and looking forward to it again.

I have the Blues Beach refrain including that funky keyboard as well as Walter's guitar line from TLM stuck, stuck, stuck in my brain. Today, I'm really struck at how Walter's guitar line intertwingles with the bass line. Awesome! I love how Walter bridges from the first verse into the emerging horns into the refrain. Sublime.

Steely Dan is a lot like modern architecture. It looks simple with a lot of sheen until you really study it and realize all the subtleties and understatements and how profound it really is.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 15:11:46 ET
Posted by: DF,

Hey everybody

I've got a couple of questions to pose to everyone to get our minds off our EMG angst.

1. Outtros--D&W are the best at 'em. What are your favorite outtros?

I love "Haitian Divorce," "Time Out Of Mind," "Josie" and I'm crazy about the outtro of "Gaslighting Abbie."

2. What are your favorite SD or related phrases?

A few of many are:

"libations/sensations/that stagger the mind"
"to arrive in time to find her gone"
"We'll open up the doors and climb into the dawn"
"stalking the dread moray eel/at the wheel/with his Eurasian bride"
"You don't have to dance for me/I've seen you dance before"

It's hard to choose, but this is gonna be great.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 14:32:14 ET
Posted by: jon,

I'm telling you guys, it's insidious! Like singing "Co-stanza" to the Mennen jingle. That little keyboard lietmotif has burrowed itself into my brain like a musical earwig. I'm humming it under my breath and whistling it unconsciously.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 14:06:34 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At Work Not play

I see the Jones Beach tickets go on sale on 5/3 but Special Advance ticket sale opportunity for American Express Cardmembers Wednesday, April 30th at 9:00 a.m. through Friday, May 2nd at 5 p.m. Tickets onsale to public Saturday, May 3rd at 9:00 a.m.

I don't have an American Express card - except my Coorperate Card. Do you think they'd mind fronting for 6 SD tickets?

How long does it take to get a American Express Card - I'm sure they won't give you a number over the phone - they may overnight it for a fee.

I am planning to go to two Ticketmaster venues and one venue. I checked both Ticketmaster venues - one takes Amex - one doesn't so I'll be curious if there are any other pre sale events. I guess there won't be any SD fan club pre sale events - well certainly not for some because they are already on sale.

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 14:03:45 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

You guys have just brought to my attention, that I've been hearing the girls singing "Chillin'at the Manatee Bar" in my head nonstop for the past few days.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 13:57:03 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Jon - Right! I found myself in the shower this morning just blurt out "I WANNA BE ON THE SAND......"


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 13:45:28 ET
Posted by: jon,

Here's a stumper: I think "Blues Beach" is a pretty decent tune but nothing special. Doesn't blow me away like just about everything from the 70s.

So why can't I stop humming it? Could it be that I love it and just don't know it yet? This is perplexing...

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 13:04:33 ET
Posted by: Johnny, The big casino by the beach

I agree with Matt and Dennis about general band sound - I would give anything to hear something with the darker tone of The Royal Scam era. The first Dan song I heard as a kid that I recognized as Steely Dan was Pretzel Logic, and that's always influenced my expectations of the music. I'd love to hear something in that vein, but I doubt very much that we will. My favorite tunes on 2VN (gothic, negative girl, west of h, jack) are the kind of slow sizzle, darker jams that I believe show SD at their very best.

Over the last 3 years, it's become more and more obvious that 2VN marks the beginning of a new sound and style for Steely Dan albums. When I first heard it, I remember thinking that it was like 20 years had never happened, that it was a perfectly logical follow to Gaucho. In some ways it was, but the sound/songwriting has changed. More upbeat/funny. The duality of dark subject matter over a musically upbeat backing is key to the SD legacy, as is humor, but I guess I just prefer the more ominous sound with cryptic lyrics.

I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different. I'm just saying that the only album we can really honestly compare EMG to is 2VN.


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 12:07:08 ET
Posted by: hoops,

As you probably heard, Apple has started a new online Music purchasing service for Macs and iPods called the "iTunes Music Store" that licenses music from all five major record companies' catalogs. Eventually, everything the record companies offer on CD is supposed to be offered on line through for $.99 / song which can be played legally across three different Macs. Read somewhere that a Windows version of the store to go with iPods used with Windows is in the works.

So I looked up Steely Dan and it looks like all the ABC & MCA tracks CBAT through "Gaucho" are there. AiA and 2vN are not. The top downloads so far, apparently in order, are:

1) FM
2) Rikki
3) My Old School
4) Show Biz Kids
5) Haitian Divorice
6) Dr Wu
7) Don't Take Me Alive
8) Reelin'
9) Glam Prof
10) Deacon Blues

The show "Show Biz Kids," "Decade" and the box set being available so far. They don't say, as far as I could tell, what sources for ripping these weremaybe if you are buying some of these you could be getting the 1993 remasters?

Also present under Donald Fagen are "The Nightfly" (says only partial album is available right now but all the tracks are listed anyways); NY Rock and Soul (a search for "Donald Fagen" only pulled up tracks he played on but you can buy the whole album); and Kama (everything's there except "On the Dunes"). They are still adding songs.

Top Ten, again, so far, apparently in order, are:

1) IGY
2) New Frontier
3) Teahouse
4) Tomorrow's Girls
5) Springtime
6) Trans-Island
7) Countermoon
8) Snowbound
9) Florida Room
10) Goodbye Look

Becker's "11TOW" isn't listed yet.

The top ten are songs mostly by U2, Dylan and Fleetwood Mac. Other songs are to be released each Tuesday. They also have exclusive downloads from the new Fleetwood Mac album. Since they are from the same record company (Warners) and similar demographics, I've been paying attention to Fleetwood Mac for possible clues about possible SD promotions that might be run.

Finally, these songs are 128 kps but there is some sort of new format which is supposed to make them sound better. Still, I don't think I will be getting rid of my CD's or DVD-A's any time soon. They explain it at


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 11:46:44 ET
Posted by: Stupid Father,

Well, it seems that the new Maxim magazine has trashed our heros in their new issue. I tihnk that it is great. I mean how could they ever get Steely Dan? The fucking rag is a disgrace. I mean is there any editorial content - its all ads right. The thing is all fart jokes and very beautiful women who are photographed just horribly in their undies (oh this mag is for naughty boys) making them look bad. How can you make these women look bad? These are the type of folks who drink Molson Ice, like to be stoopid, keep their ballcaps on in nice restaurants - you know the drill! Myself, I was teattering on the edge of not liking the disc myself. But today, day 3, it is coming into focus. Pixelene - Things I miss the most. The key is that you cannot listen to this CD at low volumes. Headphones or loud! Slang Me!

Hug Everything,

Stupid (not stoopid)

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 11:34:52 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, enjoying BB and TLM more and more

Just wondering if I'm the only one who always enters the greenroom and stays there for the period of time they're on the net?

I'm asking because 9 am NY time is in the middle of the freaking night for me, so I'll rarely get to chat with anyone at the set times, although there were some still chatting this morning (hi and thanks for the nice chat to all of you!) when I ate my breakfast.

Just a thought.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 11:23:18 ET
Posted by: FYI via h,

Just for you information, the following is's automated reply to inquiries about advanced ticket sales. Keep checking

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Almost always, the first to know about all these
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This is why's [Tix] links on the touring page
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Of course, all dates are subject to change at all times.
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Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 09:34:28 ET
Posted by: DACW, @Webster's

harmony [hr m[schwa] nE]

fr. Gk joint, at arm, harmony

HARMONY MELODY 2a. the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord; b. the structure of music with respect to the composition and progression of chords; c. the science of structure, relation, and progression of chords

As someone sho teaches KIDZ above age 20 and sees the tail end of things (or the mess that public education in America has become), it's not a shock to see that teachers over the last 30 years don't go back to primary references...

CORRECTION re: article. Donald and Walter are NOT hippies, They're beatniks, pre-hippies, anti-hippies. See or hear "Only a Fool Would Say That"

Royal Scam has great performances (Carlton, Rainey, Grolnick) and has a funky, dense, meaty sound, but it in no way resembles a LIVE recording. It's easy to hear, especially on Kid C that virtually all the instruments are cut and pasted together. in contrast, The Last Mall and Blues Beach sound more like NYR&SR - Very lively and live sounding. I personally dig the juxtaposition of dark subject matter with a cheery surface...but that's ALL it is: surface... The first SEVEN dan albums featured very LINEAR progressions of themes throughout songs with accompaniment. Everything from Century's End through TvN and TLM and BB (with the exception of some of 11ToW) feature a 3-dimensional interaction between voices of the instruments. There seems to be a little less of BB and TLM than on TvN (which is the source of its brilliance besides the direct melding of 50s cool jazz into funk), but it's still there...

Q: Must be that sculpting thing

angel: whatever you like

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 08:00:28 ET
Posted by: Howard,

More thoughts on the harmony discussion:

If we are talking about harmony in the broadest sense, I think that unisons and octaves do count as harmony (unisons and octaves should be treated as different cases). I think when we use everyday language such as "play a harmony on top of the melody" we are using harmony in a subtly different sense. Most musicians, when asked to "play a harmony" would be thinking of 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, 7ths etc, and if they just doubled the tune at the unison or at the octave, they probably would get a few funny looks.

BUT - I still think that unison/octave intervals count as harmony. They are just very simple harmonies that don't change the basic melody very much - most people would choose something more "interesting" when asked to harmonise a tune.

The relationship between "harmony" and "chords" is different though. Two notes played together (e.g a major 3rd interval) definitely counts as harmony to me, but I wouldn't call it a chord. Chords nearly always imply 3 or more notes played together, although there are subtleties here as well (is C + E + octave C a chord?).

I think the all-encompassing definition of harmony would be two or more tones sounded together.

The "commonly interpreted as" definition would be two or more tones *of different pitch* sounded together.

Dennis - I agree, there's plenty of stacked 4ths type harmony in Steely Dan music (as with much jazz), and G. Earrings is a good example. But I think the vocals on "rings of rare design" are actually singing triads here, not stacked 4ths. I hear root position major triads, starting with Bb (over the Gm7 chord on "rings"), then moving up as the chords rise. There's a twist on "rare" where a sus4 triad is used instead.

It's amazing to me that, despite the extended harmony and exotic chords often favoured by SD, much of the harmony is centred very much on triads. That doesn't mean stacked 3rds everywhere though. Even basic major and minor triads use mixtures of 3rds and 4ths, but when you add in sus4 or sus2 triads as well, mu-major ideas, and you then consider that any of these triads can be used over a different bass note (D/G, Bb/C etc) it's amazing how many exotic harmonies can spring from these fairly simple ingredients.

After several listens to The Last Mall, this also seems to fit the same style. The basic keyboard changes, for the intro/verse/chorus anyhow, all seem to use simple triads (only major and minor) with different bass notes. But the overall effect is far from simple!


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 06:15:16 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Chillin' at the Manatee Bar


I'm flushed with the excitement that only comes from hearing New Steely Dan. New Dan. New Dan Tunes.

Phew! To the two gentlemen who helped me out - a huge thank you! You know who you are.

I love them both - at the moment probably The Last Mall is ahead. I can definately hear the Confide in Me groove there....not so sure about IGY.....seems a bit more bouncy than that was. But still.....Blues Beach is definately of the Cousin Dupree persuasion....which is probably my least favourite 2vN track...I am hoping that there will be some more textured deep tracks on EMG a la Negative Girl, WoH, Gaslighting Abbie.

Definately both these new tracks are great to cruise to. I now can't wait for to start up the machine to bring us more titbits.

Listening to BB now....that's a killer groove with the rhythm section.

I'm a happy man. It's all falling into place.

Kind regards


"What a glorious time to be free"

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 05:41:37 ET
Posted by: Hide in here..., Parc Gell

ZAZU - are they coming after us?


Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 05:29:10 ET
Posted by: ZAZU, FRANCE

Does anybody knows if the tour will come in europe after us ?
best regards

Date: Tues, April 29, 2003, 05:07:21 ET
Posted by: Matt, UK

I agree with an earlier post regarding the endearingly dark, raw, live powerful sound of SD, aka Royal Scam. My personal favourite.

I'd love to hear a return to that, but somehow I think EMG will be very different, once again a more polished affair.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 21:56:36 ET
Posted by: Stupid Father,

I do not agree that EMG is better than 2VN. Certainly the highs of 2vn beat anything on EMG or maybe they beat EMG all together. Walter "sings" Slang of Ages. The singing in the chorus is a wonderful thing.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 21:29:53 ET
Posted by: Larry ,

Thats what I thought.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 21:24:41 ET
Posted by: .,

It is reported that Becker sings on Slang of Ages

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 21:22:16 ET
Posted by: Larry, Jamesburg NJ

London Times review states that Becker sings the Title song?????Yes ? No? Anybody?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 20:43:53 ET
Posted by: After the crash........,

Ok, I think I figured it out:

"Confide in Me" + "IGY" = "The Last Mall"

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 18:03:21 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Boston, thanks for the "bodacious" laugh, or as they said in 1979, "good".

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 17:51:30 ET
Posted by: I Got the News,

Article Published: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 12:00:00 AM MST

Musical backtracks

25 years ago this week, "FM" - a film depicting the battle between progressives and regressives at a radio station, with appearances by Linda Ronstadt and Jimmy Buffett - premiered in New York and Los Angeles. The soundtrack album also featured Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Steely Dan, Eagles, Billy Joel and Steve Miller. More people would buy the soundtrack than see the poorly reviewed movie.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 17:46:45 ET
Posted by: DF,



Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 17:45:15 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, It's music to my ears

Shhhhhhhhh. If you listen real close you can hear Dennis and Danfiend arguing in 2-part harmony. And when Ben pipes in, it's glorius 3-part harmony!! Or are they arguing in unison?

Mark in Boston

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 17:35:48 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago


No angst or sarcasm were intended. I was simply implying that you probably are correct by some textbook definition, but I don't see it that way.

If you picked up that vibe from my post I apologize as it was not meant to be argumentative, just a different point of view. I even asked you at the end to enlighten us with the definition because I am curious about what you've learned. I think it's great that you are studying theory and musicology. More people in modern music should do the same.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 17:20:09 ET
Posted by: DF,


Let me begin by reiterating that I'm a musicologist-in-training. I'm still learning. Secondly, this is a friendly discussion. There's no need for the presumed angst you've shown. Thirdly, my discussion of harmony thus far has been in the strictest of formality. My definitions ARE rendered from textbooks. In the literal sense, unison isn't excluded under the heading of harmony. There is no such thing as the study of Western unison. I only mentioned my tuition in musicology because what we're taught often contradicts what's used in general practice.(You'll never get some stuffy reference book quote from me. I don't take myself that seriously. I get to discuss theory. I'm having a blast.)

This topic reverts back to Andy's point of theory vs colloquial practice. Personally, I prefer complex harmonies with extensions up to and including the #13. There are 12 chromatic pitches in the musical spectrum. It's the combination of these sounds that produce mellifluous results. The interval of unison isn't popular, but it's still harmony.

Ben, I misunderstood you. I'm convinced that there are female backup singers on HD. Jazz theory often contradicts classical theory and vice versa. That's a whole new discussion altoghther.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:50:52 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers,

Greg: thanks for the link to Blues Beach!

Have listened a few times already, and it sounds like "parenthetic glider" to me. Parenthetic/hypothetical? Sure, works for me...

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:30:18 ET
Posted by: Cedric, Tampa

I like this new album. It's very groovy... kicks major ass compaired to 2VN. When ever I listen Blues Beach it reminds me of something off Kamakiriad. Maybe Tomorrows Girls, something like that. Becker's singing actually isn't too bad. I never really was a fan of his solo thing though. I have to let the rest of these songs sink in a bit before I comment further.

All the songs are floating around now, search about... you'll find them. I'm still going to buy the LP though!


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:19:43 ET
Posted by: angel,

DACW: (Can I call you whore, for short) LOL!!!! (on both books).
I think the comment comes from the fact that both tunes are more commercial in nature and have bouncy music in them. Of course you have to contrast that with the subject material, which is very harsh (as you brought up). King of the World/The Last Mall. Same subject matter, same fun kicky style. Third World Man, same dark lyrics, but a more downer melody. This album looks VERY promising, for just what these people want. How many days left to wait? :-)

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:18:49 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco


I disagree re: discussion of harmony definition being passe. Depending on which jazz school you go to, you'll find that definitions of just about anything can differ greatly. Just a few google searches shows several seemingly creditable schools stating different definitions of harmony and whether two notes with equal pitches qualify. I would agree with you if you said that non-prime octaval unison was harmony, because the notes are truly different pitches, but it just seems silly to say that Donald doubling his vocal track note for note, pitch for pitch, inflection for inflection is considered harmony. I doubt anyone would ever say "gee, don't you just love the harmony in the Do It Again verses".

Regardless, in the context of what sparked the discussion, namely Angel expressing her delight in hearing a "big" four part vocal harmony the likes of which she'd never heard in a Steely Dan song, I would dare to make a similarly absurd statement by declaring how wonderful it is now that Ben & Jerry's finally decided to sell ice cream instead of just t-shirts with their logos on them.

No, I do not think that "ohhs" are excluded from harmony. That is not what I said. I was simply pointing out a part in the song Haitian Divorce where Donny sings "ohh" and was wondering whether there were back up singers with him there or not. To me, it sounds like an organ or something and not a human voice and I was wondering if you or anyone out there knew.


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:03:51 ET
Posted by: DACW, everything's heavy underground...

My 2 piasters is that doubling up or 2 notes in unison is NOT harmony...but it sounds great when donald does it... you guys are the proverbial "tough crowd!" I dunno, but to my way of thinking a Nookyular blast (Last Mall) and fallout (Blues Beach)...seem like heavy subjects to me. Obviously they've perfected subversion to a higher level!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 16:01:24 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hard to keep up here.

I'm not nameless and yes, you could get in trouble. I think I first said this the first week the Bluebook went up: some of you people who pass out records so openly remind me of those who open scream "Doses!" at Dead shows. Probably not the smartest thing.

Yeah, these two songs keep being played on the radio, people will own the official versions as soon as they can, and isn't this like home taping for a friend? And it's not like the Dan don't want us to at least hear these two tracks since they advertise they are being played on radio.

Then again, there is always some legal eagle out there looking to nab a die-hard fan just because that's what they get paid to do and, BTW, if it were totally OK, wouldn't be offering these themselves?

My response to all this? Watch out!

There's two Shaun/Seans in the Boston area too, Matt. And Michelle (Bay Area) and Michell "Mich" NJ.

More later...


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 15:57:52 ET
Posted by: P-G Eriksson, Still waiting for WB Sweden to get their promos out the door :)

OK. This morning I was convinved I liked The Last Mall best. This evening it's Blues Beach. Heck! I'd have to say that I love them both!

Regarding the sharing of these tracks:
I am pretty convinced that IF the record company that owns the rights to the songs wanted to shut this site down and drag us all to court, we would all have very little to present in the line of legal defense.

Strictly legally speaking I am sure this is illegal. And these songs should only be in the hands of radio stations right now.

I also guess that since the day of the very first promo-record, these have had a habit of going astray and ending up with collectors, in small used-records stores and so on.

There are ways of sharing and there are ways of sharing...
The more obvious it gets the more likely someone in some office somewhere will take offense and act accordingly.

I am not quesstioning why we want them. In the old days we would all have taped these from a radio station closeby. But nowadays that's been replaced with the sharing over the internet.

And the less in-your-face this is done, the better. IMHO.


To whatever record company executive/whatever in the U.S reading this :)

Get on the phone and get your colleagues outside of the U.S. of A. licking the stamps and filling those envelopes with Steely Dan promos! They're not doing anybody any good gathering dust in that wharehouse. Thank you.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 15:53:12 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Quite often instruments are told in music to play "in unison", thus playing the same line or something of the sort. But a bass can't play the same notes as a flute, so there is a degree of flexibility...unison can be considered playing the same pitch in different registers.

To relate that to harmony, I don't think if tenor, alto, and soprano are singing an E in their particular register that you can call those vocals harmony vocals. They would be unison. Harmony occurs when you subject notes of differing qualities to each other, creating interesting mixtures that can be pleasing (major triad) or very uncomfortable (how about the famous "Foxy" 7#9 chord for that?). Unison creates no interplay or's just melody translated to another register.

Maybe if you go by some professor's textbook definition you might say that octaves could be considered a form of harmony, but I think you would probably get laughed at by any professional musician if you said play the harmony and when they played something complementary you said that you meant to double up an octave.


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 15:44:52 ET
Posted by: hb, Bay Area

Didn't realize until I read my KFOG newsletter that KFOG was giving away Konocti Steely Dan tix last Thursday and Friday.

Does KFOG still rock or what? ;-)

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 15:38:03 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

"The study of the structure, progression, and relation of chords"
"Simultaneous combination of notes in a chord"

Every definiton I could come up with has to do with CHORDS.

3 Unison Eb's don't make a chord, and chords are harmony in the truest sense of the word. With tempered music like we all play, maybe the effect that you get with instruments that are not and can never be exactly in tune with each other are considered harmony and I'm sure you'll come back at me with some definition you learned in musicology that states unison is harmony.

If three violinists are playing the Star Spangled Banner in Unison, it's unison to me, not harmony, and in no way is the melody harmonized. If they play it in 3 part "harmony", it's harmony. I don't know what they teach you as a musicologist but as a musician it doesn't get any more black and white than that.

Don't take this the wrong way, I am no Beethoven but as a musician if I want my bass player to harmonize what I'm doing he knows what I mean. If I want him to play unison with me he plays unison. I don't say "Harmonize this line using the same notes I'm playing". I say, do it in Unison.

But, as a musicologist Danfiend, please enlighten us to the true definition of harmony if you would! I'm curious.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 15:32:44 ET
Posted by: db,

that funny sounding wurlitzer ''thingy'' turns up on Daddy don't live in that new york no more...

well i think it does !!!

I like BB now i've heard it all, from 2:55 onwards it't a jam weighting to happen.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 14:45:39 ET
Posted by: DF,


As a musicologist-in-training and music theorist, I assure you that harmony is the simultaneous sounding of pitch regardless of what class it belongs to INCLUDING unison. This isn't my opinion, this is something I can prove. Why do you feel that unison isn't harmony?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 14:30:02 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Love the tunes however I was hoping they would be a little on the darker side with a bit more edge (ala Royal Scam). Wishful thinking on my part. I do hope to hear some things more in the tradition of Third World Man, Haitian Divorce, Royal Scam etc.

On to the discussion of harmonies. If all harmonies were just stacked thirds the world would be a very boring place! Green Earrings for example utilizes Quartal Harmony which is the stacking of 4th intervals, even in the vocal harmonies "rings of grand design". There are many other examples of this in SD songs. Unison is not Harmony, it's Unison!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 14:16:54 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Another thing

Call me ignorant, but how is it piracy when SD released the two songs nationwide a week ago? You can't buy them yet. On June 10th I'll bet 99.999% of us will be camping out at the local cd store to buy copies. And we're all going to their concerts this summer. Many of us are planning multiple tour stops. We're not doing anything wrong. D&W are well aware of the buzz surrounding EMG and they know that there's a lot of demand for these two tracks in the Steely Dan community. Put them back up, please.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 14:02:46 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Bright Lights, Big Chi

Hey Everybody

I had a great time in chat last night. Big ups to Oleander, Andy Crustypunk, Thelonious, Earl, Ed, Boston Rag, and especially the Big
H--Hoops for making it all possible. You guys are the best!

Ben, Websters Dictionary defines harmony as two or more pitches sounding simultaneously. Pitch class doesn't matter. Any music theory book will agree. It's called theory because we musicologists are still trying to understand the system of Western tonality as discovered by the first Viennese School. Arguments on intermediate topics such as what defines harmony are pretty much passe. We have a handle on that much.

While many vocal harmonies are rendered triadically, Andy they're not just stacked thirds. The group Take Six employs the same extended chords that Steely Dan uses as vocal harmonies. Very astounding stuff.

In short Ben, this IS an argument about theory vs. colloquial practice. I've been studying harmony and theory for over 10 years. However, when I find myself on a project, I find those rules being broken all the time.

The "uh-huhs" and "oohs" that the background singers sing seems to be integral as vocal harmonies to HD. Are you saying that words only qualify to be considered vocal harmony?


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:57:14 ET
Posted by: Matt...this one, Chattanooga, TN

Hey now...two Matts here. That can't bode well.

For some reason Blues Beach is sticking to me more than The Last Mall...maybe it's just that I like more the newest thing. There's just something about Blues Beach that grabs me. I'm currently leaning towards the interplay at the end, though at different points today I've thought it was the piano work on the bridge, the bass work that is melodically sound enough to make me think of Paul McCartney's work on the old Beatles single Rain, and the single line "My hypothetical friend...".

Anyway, I'm gonna call up the local NPR station and ask if they could part with the BB single in exchange for the pledge I'll make regardless.


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:43:24 ET
Posted by: matt, UK

And just for the record, I am not advocating mass piracy here, I'm endorsing selective sharing.

Over and out! ;-)

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:42:12 ET
Posted by: Matt , UK

Denton - please, put it back up!! You cannot get into trouble.

Whoever wrote that piece was a patronizing jerk as far as I'm concerned - not truly appreciative of our loyal fanship - referring to us waywards as "kiddies".

I mean, come on.


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:40:15 ET
Posted by: Matt, London

It's hard to believe most of us loyal Dan Fans are commiting an "offence" by downloading and listening, in earnest appreciation, to advance material by our favourite band.

I say, *&"%! the piracy issue - we are the reason why SD have the artistic freedom they have - we buy everything they have released, and will ever release.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:26:29 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

I had to take it down because nameless person made me think I could
somehow get in trouble for it...not sure of file sharing legality, etc.

Anybody that takes the time to read this forum is obviously going to buy
the album, and probably go to a live show. I am not trying to "rip"
off SD, somebody did me a favor and I was trying to help others. I am
confident that most of us spend ALOT of money on SD because we are
all addicted to it!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:22:29 ET
Posted by: shark, still here

love these tunes!!!

fiend, i like the Otis Redding connection.

anyone else hear Jr.Walker's "Shot Gun" in BB? the little descending progression right after the bridge is reminiscent of something too.

"Last Mall" has grown on me bigtime. Walter's the tastiest guitarist i know of. not to mention his bass playin...!!!

i'm hearing TLM as this album's "Dupree" and BB as "Janie Runaway"... those were the first 2 singles fron 2vN, right?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:18:25 ET
Posted by: mark, uk

Right on Jerry!

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 13:03:03 ET
Posted by: Jerry, Seattle

>>>Kiddies, for god's sake cool out on the online posting
>>>of sound files, ok? Finding a way to share advance or
>>>pirate material with your friends and fellow fans
>>>discretely and privately is one thing: making it
>>>available for download online is another. Doesn't
>>>matter where, and doesn't matter for how long.
>>>Word to the wise, which only the
>>>wise will hear, and find a way to heed. The fools will
>>>merely argue.

I ask you, nameless, what is the difference? And what is your concern? Is it that D&W won't make as much money, because that is the only argument that you would have a point on. If it's because you are being righteous and moral, then I suggest you wake up to the times and realize that this is the way it's going to be from now on.

Either way, we're going to buy the album and go to the shows.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 12:56:01 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, lovin' life

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 12:54:17 ET
Posted by: greg, rochester, ny

here's blues beach in .wma format for download:

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 12:42:40 ET
Posted by: Just another Steely Dan fan , u.s.a

Matt- Right on! No matter how much of EMG I'm going to get off of the net really doesn't matter. I'll buy EMG. I'll also buy EMG DTS 5.1, EMG Dolby 5.1, EMG DVD-A. And in five years when they sell the third re-matered version of EMG, I'll buy that to.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 12:02:23 ET
Posted by: Matt, UK

Can anyone confirm when EMG will be available for sale in the UK, etc?

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 11:43:25 ET
Posted by: Jaco, *Agrees*

I'm with Matt on this one. I am definately going to get EMG yet I would dearly love to hear some snippets beforehand to whet my appetite. I appreciate MP3s being made available to us unlucky enough not to have heard it.



Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 11:40:33 ET
Posted by: Matt, London

Kiddies, for god's sake cool out on the online posting
of sound files, ok? Finding a way to share advance or
pirate material with your friends and fellow fans
discretely and privately is one thing: making it
available for download online is another. Doesn't
matter where, and doesn't matter for how long.
Word to the wise, which only the
wise will hear, and find a way to heed. The fools will
merely argue.

--- patronizing!? Possibly, in principle, this is a sound argument. But I believe the greatest threat to any band - old or new -is lack of exposure, not internet piracy. I bet 98% of the folks here will buy EMG, or any other album by their favourite group/artist, *regardless* of initial reviews.

If anything, the availability of advance material will help improve sales.

But perhaps I'm one of those sad fools who "will merely argue".

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 10:38:11 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, MT


I remember Carolyn Leoonhart saying on the TVN Plush video that "the man is made of Harmony" when she talked about working with Donald.

It's clear from his arrangements that Donald is one advanced specimen when it comes to harmonic complexities. I was going to mention Maxine as my favorite Donald harmonic convergence as well.

You da man Howard. Thanks for all your contributions in helping the sonically handicapped to be able to play the great work.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 09:10:42 ET
Posted by: angel,

Big being the operative word here. Something that makes them sound totally different then normal. Thanks Howard. :-)

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 07:34:14 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Interesting discussion on the SD vocal harmonies.

I think the original remark (about "first time major harmonies" by Donald) may have been misinterpreted. Maybe by "major harmonies" angel meant "big, 4-part style" harmonies? Just a guess, I could be wrong.

As other have pointed out, there are loads of vocal harmonies on all of the albums. Some by Donald only, some by other singers. I would say that the majority are 3-part harmonies, but there are also 2- and 4-parts. I haven't listened carefully enough to all the harmonies to know for sure, but I wonder how many SD songs have Donald singing 4-part harmonies? 4-part vocals I can think of include Maxine (not SD though) and Peg (Mike McDonald). Probably True Companion too.

I think some of the Gaucho tracks might have 4-parts, but I'm not sure. There are bound to be tracks I've missed though - any other thoughts on this?


Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 05:55:06 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @ work

Dunc ..... misnomer or what ?

sort of a cult deux but something less than marriage. Its like marriage without sex ....... Surely that is a Marriage ????

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 05:02:51 ET
Posted by: db,

Culled from the papers yesterday.
Mostly old stuff but some nice quotes all the same...

April 27, 2003 The Sunday Times (UK)

Pop: Dan dares again
They made it big and lost it even bigger. Now, Steely Dan are back, with a new philosophy and a new album. And the thinking mans hippies sound

better than ever. By Robin Eggar

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have always been too clever by at least two-thirds. They are so not rocknroll and yet so successful in what they

appear to view as a base cultural medium. They plucked their name, Steely Dan, from a steam-powered dildo in William Burroughss novel Naked

Lunch. Wilfully perverse, they champion intellectual superiority and extol the virtues of obscure jazz records while singing about dodgy people having

dubious sex.
The Dan were a 1970s studio band sans pareil. Prolific perfectionists who hated touring, they made six critically acclaimed albums in five years,

culminating in the multimillion-selling Aja. Three years later came Gaucho, another platinum record. But that was it, the spark had gone, snuffed out in

a wash of depression and drug abuse. Over the next two decades, Fagen released two solo records, Becker one. They did an indifferent live tour in the

1990s, but there were no more Steely Dan CDs until the millennium turned.

In 2001, Two Against Nature was a triumphant return. It won four Grammy awards, including Album of the Year. They even got elected to the Rock and

Roll Hall of Fame (Americas answer to Sir Paul, Sir Elton and Tom Joness OBE). However, Steely Dan were back on a roll and returned to the studio.

Their next album, Everything Must Go, is released in June.

Donald and Walter were never pin-ups. They were too nerdy, too dissolute. Nothing has changed. Fagen, 55, resembles a seedy creative-writing

teacher from a New England liberal-arts college, his grey hair hacked short, a beard stuck as an afterthought on the underside of his chin, his face

overshadowed by a huge beak of a nose. Becker, 53, though his moustache has gone, appears the same egghead as ever, glasses on a chubby face,

his hair peeled further back, leaving the dome of his forehead ever more exposed. They have a disconcerting habit of taking each others

half-articulated phrases into a new dimension.

Songwriting partnerships are, by their very nature, strange affairs. Asked to describe their relationship, Fagen snaps: Do you think were pals? Its

something more sort of a cult deux but something less than marriage. Its like marriage without sex.

They met in 1967 at Bard, a liberal college in upstate New York. Fagen grew up in Passaic, New Jersey; Becker, over the Hudson in New York. Both

were precocious adolescents, fascinated by psychology and the teachings of Timothy Leary. At 13, Becker was a young Republican until he realised

that Barry Goldwaters glasses had no lenses. Both loved jazz. The brotherhood of nerds wasnt for us, recalls Becker. We werent members of the

chess club. We were jazz drips. I would go to jazz concerts alone, of course and see, sprinkled through the audience, other alienated


They had attended many of the same concerts without knowing it. When they found each other, it was like looking in the mirror and seeing the missing

piece of the jigsaw. When Donald and I met, recalls Becker, it gave authority to our position. We started to mould a collaborative world-view, an

aesthetic for ourselves. Taken together, we had a formidable skill. We were able to mount a better onslaught against the world.

Their first drummer was fellow student Chevy Chase. After leaving college, they set up as songwriters with mixed results. Barbra Streisand covered

I Mean to Shine, but had the lyrics rewritten. They then joined the pop group Jay and the Americans, before signing their own record deal. The first

Dan album, Cant Buy a Thrill (1972), set the pattern: catchy melodies with disturbing lyrics. Their hits emanated from a personal comic book

populated by damaged girls (Haitian Divorce), opium addicts (Dr Wu) and other lost souls, often counterpointed by quotations from jazz classics (Rikki

Dont Lose That Number).

On Everything Must Go, their world is still weird, although underneath the delicate tunes (played by musicians including the pianist Bill Charlap and the

guitarist Jon Herington) is an overwhelming sense of loss. Throughout all our albums, says Fagen, there has been a theme of loss and apocalypse.

This time, because of global events and the fact that were older, that theme has emerged more strongly.

The title track is sung by Becker, his first ever Dan lead vocal. He explains: You see the signs, Going out of business.

Everything must go on the window of an electronics store in Times Square. These stores have been going out of business continuously since anyone

can remember. You can either take that song to be an expression of the idea that there is no death, or you can take it to be the typical commercial

simulation of profound experience, of death for the purpose of selling a couple more digital cameras.

Steely Dan have always polarised opinion. People either love them or dismiss them as cocktail jazz with clever words for angst-ridden college kids.

Burroughs himself was never too sure. Too fancy, he said. Theyre too sophisticated, theyre doing too many things at once in a song.

According to Fagen, thats just the way it comes out. There is very little calculated about what weve done. We combine the things we like: literature,

stand-up comedy, jazz, R&B, even some modern classical music. My uncle used to have a luncheonette in Paterson, New Jersey, and once, my cousin

and I used every flavour syrup to see if we could make some meta-milk shake, but it was just an undrinkable mess. Walter and I combined all the

syrups we know and just got lucky. Apart from in the early 1980s, Becker and Fagen have never stopped combining the syrups. Making Gaucho

finished them off. Becker remembers it as two years of banging our heads against the wall. They spent too much money, got frustrated with their

musicians and each other. We were burnt out, says Fagen. Wed done nothing but work since the late 1960s. We both had personal problems, so we

retired to our separate lairs to recover. I had a relationship that had turned sour. After The Nightfly (his first solo album, in 1982) came out, I got this

huge block. Becker, in the grip of a heroin problem, had retired to Maui. He makes somewhat light of his drug days. I took pretty much all of them

either separately, sequentially or simultaneously. I dont drink, but I did all of the other powerful stimulants of the day. He produced albums for China

Crisis and Rickie Lee Jones and, every so often, would get together with Donald. The truth was, they found it hard to work with anyone else.

Thirty-odd years ago, says Becker, they got lucky. Nowadays, that could never happen: everything is so micromanaged. Bands are cast like some

Broadway show. Even rap, which had potential, has become narrow and stylised, predictable and shallow.

There is nobody left in our position, says Fagen, with relish. To get the kind of artistic freedom we have, it used to have to be that you were young.

Now you have to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Can you imagine Little Richard being supervised?
The bands history

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 03:32:40 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain

Aha. Another Gina surfacing in the chatroom quarters :-)
Must be the one being able to tell what it's like to have lunch with her, right?
I notice the EMG bug can be just as intoxicating as anything else we know of as being such. That is, Steely Dan fans/listeners have substances or fluids in their brains that somehow kick a certain kind of hibernation and then KABOOM ... To not get caught up in this whirl is difficult :-)

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 00:57:50 ET
Posted by: ., .

Kiddies, for god's sake cool out on the online posting
of sound files, ok? Finding a way to share advance or
pirate material with your friends and fellow fans
discretely and privately is one thing: making it
available for download online is another. Doesn't
matter where, and doesn't matter for how long.
Word to the wise, which only the
wise will hear, and find a way to heed. The fools will
merely argue.

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 00:49:35 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Came across an EMG article in The Times of London tonight. Apparently you gotta pay $60 to join their web site now...luckily someone posted it to the newsgroup. I put it up at my site at

I'm really starting to dig Blues Beach. The bass is spectacular and you gotta love the choir at the end of the tune. The lyrics, while not adding up to much (bland plot), have some great phrases--"crusty punk," "...gotta pull some strings." Walter's wordsmithing appears as sharp as ever.

Re the harmony debate--technically harmony is the relationship of one pitch to another. So if a pitch is doubled it is technically a harmony--the interval is a unison. Of course when people are talking about harmony vocals, they're usually talking about two-, three- or four-part harmonies (e.g. root, major 3rd, perfect 5th vs a doubled or tripled root). I think the disagreement is really theory vs. colloquial practice.

I'll say it again--love the green chat room. Been spending more time there than I should though...

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 00:32:43 ET
Posted by: denton428, dav, iowa

I posted The Last Mall online for those who haven't heard it...thanks to
Lee for helping me out! I am no html wiz, hopefully it works for

Date: Mon, April 28, 2003, 00:02:46 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco


Interesting topic we have going here, don't you think? It's always been my understanding that harmony results from the concord of two or more strains or sounds which DIFFER in pitch and quality. Not sure which of us are technically correct, or if anyone really knows for sure. After all, it is music THEORY. But in the context of the discussion regarding hearing beautiful vocal harmonies in Steely Dan tunes, I would submit that a double track done in precise unison doesn't qualify.

How sure are you about Haitian? Which lyrics are they?

I play keys in Steely Wonder.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 23:24:14 ET
Posted by: OhWowIt'sMeAgain,

Is that Carolyn Leonhart singing at the end of "Blues Beach?"

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 22:23:26 ET
Posted by: Gospel Morning,

Do you think that weird wurly sound on Blues Beach could be the Dan trying to emulate the plastic organ on Do It Again and CBAT? I know it's far fetched but it cross my mind.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 21:26:45 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


Apologizing in advance for the didactic nature of this response, if you understand intervallic relationships, you know that intervals are simply the distance between two notes. Harmony is created when two (or more) notes are sounded simultaneously. If those two notes happen to be the exact same pitch it's still harmony. For example, the listener can clearly hear Donald sing over himself in unison in "King of The World," right? It's still harmony, because it's more than one pitch.

There are definitely background singers in "Haitian Divorce." D&W often use vocal harmonies only in the refrain sections.

I've heard the original Ruby Baby and the only part that's recognizable is the melody. And Big D took liberties with that too. What an amazing musician.

If you don't mind me asking, what instrument do you play?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 21:09:05 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, @ home

Wow, reading below, it must be the stress from the new release coming out...


both new releases are great in their own way - new material, what's not to like?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 20:48:13 ET
Posted by: Eric, San Diego, CA

Both Blues Beach and The Last Mall continue to grow on me more each day. I especially love the electric piano on The Last Mall. As far as the touring outfit goes, I am especially happy that Ted Baker will be returning. This is going to be a GREAT summer.

The first time I fell in love with Steely Dan:
I was 9 years old in 1978 and Deacon Blues came on the radio. When I first heard that electric piano introduction, it grabbed onto my heart and it has not let go since. I find it incredible that 25 years later, at 34, I am still so much in love with their music. It has been with me through many tough times, and happy times as well. Okay, I better stop now before I ramble on too much :)


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 20:18:35 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Walter - The Movie

Hoops - I just have four words for Walter's guitar work on The Last Mall - BEND IT LIKE BECKER!!!

Mark in Boston

Memo to SD Management: If you want to print tour t-shirts with that phrase, I'll only demand 3% of the concessions plus a $5,000 writing fee.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 20:08:56 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco


Believe me, I wish we would do ALL of the Dan tunes, but unfortunately my band mates don't agree (we do other stuff besides SD). I hate it when the crowd yells out "Any Major Dude" and we can't play it :(

I was kinda joking with East St. Louis comment, but Ruby Baby has harmonies and Don didn't write that either. Of course, he did his own arrangements.

I don't know if doubling a line in complete unison counts as harmonizing, but I could be wrong.

Check out Haitian Divorce. I'm pretty sure there are no harmonies even though I thought so originally. The "oh" parts sound like backup singers but I think they are just instrumentation. What do you think?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 19:34:47 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Chat seems to be meeting nightly at 9 PM NYC time, that would be 8 PM for those in Chicago and the like, 7 PM for those in thre Rocky Time Zone and 6 PM for those in the time zone of LA, Bay Area, etc.

Thanks for the heads up, Coco.

Just bought a Konocti ticket. $122.50 for what looks to be 30-35 rows back. I hope it's intimate. I hear it is.

I've been focussing a lot on "The Last Mall" today. Love the little guitar efftects Walter makes. This is strictly my imagination, but during the second time DF sings, "Kiss the check out girls goodbye," there's Walter makes this plucking sequence which reminds me of "kissy-kissy." Intentional? Probably not. But seems like the best songs become a canvas upon which to encourage the imagination.

IMHO, the comment, "The Last Mall lacks a strong melody line and a hook that just won't let go" is absurd--I totally disagree with that comment. But the way you worded the repsonse was pretty lame. The only net effect was to piss off a few people who agree with you. Have some class.

Mme, Matt in Tenn, NoStatic, Everyone:
I don't like name calling or unnecessary rough talk; I'm with you (see above paragraph). BUT If you think someone is calling you a name or being asshole, don't respond. Don't give it energy. At least three times a week I have someone callling me an asshole for even hosting the Bluebookeither via posts, or email. These people don't deserve the energy. Moreover, it doesn't deserve all the extra space you give it by postinbg more about it. It just makes it worse. If you have a problem with someone's posting, email me and I will take care of it one way or another. Email me and I'll give you my phone number.

Someone recently made this analogy and I thought it was good: I like to as unobtrusive as possible and it's great to have guest, but do behave like a guest and if you have problems, don't escalate the fight and wreck the party. Talk to the host. That's my request of all of you. I'll take care of it. And don't say things to others unless you're willing to say them to my face.

Finally, this place isn't about "not arguing" it's about talking intelligently and with passion and even arguing about Steely Dan and tangential topics with a little respect, even if some of the remarks seem a bit nuts.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 17:48:30 ET
Posted by: Coco,

If you are looking for Konocti tix right now - go through the online! You get right in and good tix still available.
On the other hand,
the phones are jammed

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 17:41:19 ET
Posted by: Coco Konocti,

In to Konoctti.

Got right in via online service and got 15th row center section.
Anyone else?

It felt like they held back seats in first 10 center.

On to Tahoe!

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 17:34:28 ET
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

I scored a SD Wonderwaif baby-doll shirt on E-bay for my girlfriend. She wore it for the first time today.

She looks HOT!! : )

Just bragging,


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 17:29:29 ET
Posted by: DF,


I honestly suspected that you were referring only to the songs that your cover band performs. But I can't see how you could leave "Any Major Dude," "Monkey In Your Soul," or "Throw Back the Little Ones" out of your setlist. As a musician also, I find them to be gems BECAUSE no one covers them. (I also know what you were responding to. I meant to respond to that comment as well.)

"East St. Louis Toodle-OO" doesn't count. Not only did D&W not write it, as I'm sure you know, but it was an instrumental. Toodle-oo is amazingly befitting to Steely Dan, isn't it? It has a blantant carnality, understated humor, and a reference to the orient.

Doesn't "Bodhissatva", "Kid Charlemange" and "Do It Again" and "King of the World" all fall under the category of Donald doubling or harmonizing with himself? It's still harmony. If two voices are in unison that's still harmony. It doesn't make sense unless you look at it from a music theoretical point of view. (You can tell I have a lot of free time on my hands today, can't you?)


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 17:13:58 ET
Posted by: db,

broadcasting again (lindunk)

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 16:58:57 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore,

': I'm leaning back towards "gobs" instead of wads AND "paranympic" least today...gues I'll know for sure the 10th of June...

Fagen as often "doubled up" or tripled up his vocals from day one - i.e., Do it Again from CBAT...and that doesn't necessarily always mean harmonies for doubled up vocals (ex. Rose Darling verses). Just a style to give Fagen's vocals more oomph - he could hit the notes and phrase right to make it work - most vocalists can't ...but yes, between the backups and Fagen...numerous parts are common...The Fagen/Zack Sanders tight harmonies of True Companion are probably my favorite. My favorite backup harmony moment has to be from Tomorrow's Girls "Warm night breezes come rollin' in off the sea..."

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 16:46:47 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

DF, I am aware of that, but my band doesn't do those songs! My point (albeit poorly written) wasn't that there aren't any Dan tunes with 2 part harmonies or none at all. My point was that there are a ton of tunes with 3 and 4 part harmony, so many in fact that my cover band hasn't done one without them. It was in reference to someone's earlier claim that Blues Beach was the first Dan song that features vocal harmonies, which is obviously the farthest from the truth.

You missed one in your list:
East St. Louis Toodle-oo


And I think Bodhisattva only has 2

I think there a few more with 2 or none as well.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 16:30:27 ET
Posted by: angel,

Oleander: Your back in the saddle again! I kept waiting for your take on the 2 tunes. :-)

To those posting e-mail addresses, don't forget to put something in them like "No Spam" or something. Keep those bots from harvesting your address, off this site.

Regarding liking songs or not. Remember even Donald and Walter don't like all the songs they have done. Nothing wrong with that. We each have slightly different likes and dislikes, in music. Even Steely Dan songs.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 16:14:42 ET
Posted by: DF, Bright Lights, Big Chi


With regard to vocal harmonies in Dan tunes, there are a few Dan tunes with 2-part harmony or no harmony at all.

If I'm not mistaken, "Through w/Buzz," "Do it Again," "Fire In The Hole," "Any Major Dude," "Monkey In Your Soul," and "Throw Back the Little Ones," are written that way. There may be a few others.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:53:56 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Regarding harmonies in Steely Dan songs, I am in a Steely Dan cover band and I have yet to find a song that doesn't have 3-part harmonies, and often 4.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:53:43 ET
Posted by: ,

Matt - you are correct with the 'suddenly falling apart' line -- I knew "Sunday's sadder part" was not right, but couldn't put my finger on the actual lyric. Nice work.

Also, 'gobs' sounds right as well.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:51:13 ET
Posted by: denton428, davenport, iowa

I am one of those less fortunate types who hasn't heard "The Last Mall"
or full version of "Blues Beach". If anybody could email it to me I would
greatly appreciate it! Thanks...

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:49:58 ET
Posted by: ,

Blues Beach is SD's most depressing song to date.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great tune and all....

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:32:43 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Isn't this supposed to be where the assholes unite?

I got into a conversation / arguement with Kinky a couple of years ago (95 or so) because he said I couldn't be a real Steely Dan fan if I hadn't seen them live. I felt (and still feel) that my affection was not dependent upon seeing them play in concert, but rather what I felt for the music itself.

These days I can honestly say that I have seen Steely Dan live as many times, if not more, than just about any other fan out there, and I still think that I loved the band just as much before as now.

I'm not going to fault someone for disliking a single song off of any album (unless it's Caves of Altamira, of course), as I don't think affection is determined by one's judgement of a single song or two. I happen to like Blues Beach quite a bit so far...I like to think of it as the place where Tomorrow's Girls' Engines make the white sand swirl. Does that make it in Jersey? Maybe. Doesn't matter. The great thing about Steely Dan is that I can think it's about whatever I want to, and mostly nobody can prove me wrong, because the lyrics are fairly vague in intent. Musical taste is even more vague, and what makes a song great for someone (like Walter's vocals on Monkey In Your Soul making it one of my favorites instead of one of my least favorites) can turn another off.

Also, I'm always right about everything...other than that, each is entitled to his or her own long as it's the same as mine.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 15:03:03 ET
Posted by: Shaun,

Mme- I can't have a "normal" discussion with a so-called Steely Dan fan that says The Last Mall doesn't have a hook or thinks Chain Lightning is boring. Call me childish, but personally, it's just not worth it for me... to get into it with you.

nostaticatall- Get a grip.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 14:50:35 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, the aisle

Shaun: I never said you called me an asshole. I just think your reaction to my perfectly polite, matter-of-fact post was sort of childish. I never claimed my opinion was the correct one nor the only one, I actually took extra measures to ensure that people knew I was aware of just that.

Mark: I don't mind all of the Boston area ganging up on me, I just find your answers and "arguments" to be simplistic, populistic and contributing to stupidity.

Shaun, Mark and the rest of New England: I'm up for a good discussion anyday, but why not bring something constructive to the table, tell me WHY (you think) I'm wrong, not just that I am (in more or less pueril and infantile ways).

NOSTATICATALL: I hope you wrote those words in the heat of the moment, and that you WILL come back before hell freezes over.

DanFiend: Not fully convinced that it is a conscious and deliberate reference to Dock of the bay (one of my all-time favourites, by the way). The resemblance isn't that obvious, I think. Interesting point, though.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 14:33:15 ET
Posted by: Jumping Beans,

nostatic- Bye!

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 14:20:33 ET
Posted by: DF,

I'm not going to make a habit of correcting my blunders, but what I meant to say is "two more" not "more two."

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 14:16:13 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

DF - is IS a drag! It's like we got the rolls and salad and now there's going to be an hour wait (5+ weeks) for the main course. :(


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 14:02:14 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need your help. It's not about who gets credit for anything. I'm here for one purpose. I LOVE STEELY DAN! Everything else is secondary. There's nothing wrong with a little controversy. This board would be boring as hell without it.

Isn't it the biggest drag that there aren't more two new songs coming out this week?

Andy, I'd be happy to help you any way I can. We can talk about it in chat if you're coming tonight.

Until then


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 13:49:40 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

Since everybody is voicing their opinions, I'm going to voice mine.
I can barely believe what's going on here. People are getting called names for voicing their opinions. No ones ideas should be called "asinine." If you think BB lacks a strong melody Mme Erzulie, you're entitled to that opinion. I, for one respect it. I disagree, but I respect it.

Danfiend, by my calculations you were the very first to mention that EMG was about Apocalypse and you were the first to say that the "Pyronymphic" or "paranymphic" (or whatever it is) could be simply a product of D&W's collective imaginations. Yet others are given the credit for coming up with those ideas. The same will happen again with your "dock of the bay" idea.

You folks downloaded TLM from Babelfish like a bunch of vultures but totally ignored me when I said we should do something special for him/her. I was serious, Babel. If it weren't for you I wouldn't have it. Name your price. Email me.

My point is this board is a real drag. I thought it was a celebration of the fandom of Steely Dan. These posts are rife with ego, misguided opinions, and delusions of grandeur.

Peace Out! It'll be a cold day in hell before I come here again.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 13:36:04 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Where others are hearing

We could rent a paraniffic glider
My hypothetical friend
And we could sail
To the bended end

Grab big wads of blankets
{Warming up the dark}
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before Sundays sadder part

I hear:

We could rent a paranymphic glider
My hypothetical friend
And we could sail (sail away)
To the bended end

Grab big gobs of blankets
{Warming up the dark}
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before suddenly falling apart

Just my 2...hopefully I'll be at the chat tonight...missed seeing hoops every damn time.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 13:21:35 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Mne - Sorry if it seems like the Boston area is ganging up on you but "Chain Lightning" is one of the most boring SD tunes ever???
Wow!! When is YOUR CD of altered blues coming out????

Mark in Boston

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 13:19:00 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I can't believe that no one has realized that the whistling in Blues Beach is a reference to "Sitting At The Dock of The Bay."

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 13:09:42 ET
Posted by: Chatter, Box

Hoop's! What time is chat tonite?

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 12:57:07 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Mme- I never called you an asshole. Though, your review of TLM is definitely asinine.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 12:41:00 ET
Posted by: Mme Asshole?, Up yours?

OK, Shaun. You can be very persuasive. You got me there. Can't argue against heavy stuff like that. When you put it like that, I have no choice but to repent and agree with you (whatever it is you think).

Nice if someone could elevate this discussion further (if at all possible).

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 12:30:51 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Mme said: "The Last Mall lacks a strong melody line and a hook that just won't let go"


I guess the saying

"opinions are like assholes...everybody has one"

fits perfectly in your case

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 12:26:16 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Way north

Hey fezo, I can fully understand the woman in question!

>I e'd the local program director of C'ville's AAA station--who was >big pusher of TAN--a couple of days ago and she was bummin' that >she hadn't heard anything yet from the record company about the new >release.
>In her words, she was about to go online to start looking for a >copy. Maybe I should have sent her here . . .

I sent an e to the record company here one week ago asking when they would send out promos to radio stations over here (Sweden). Still no reply... I guess they are busy selling the new Madonna.

I still remember the perplexed tone of voice the snotty-nosed record representative had in 2000, when I called to ask for "Two Against Nature" and interview possibilities. He couldn't understand the interest in that old group.

Glad to be working at a radio station where I can play Donald and Walter even if they're not on the official playlist and the record company take the promoting of the new one "lightly"...

Thanks and "big upps" or whatever to all the Dan-fans who've helped out one way or another. You know who you are!

Always nice to have a place to go to. The Bluebook discussions always a good read. Hats off to Hoops!


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 12:17:42 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Konocti tix on sale in 5 hours...!

Would someone be ever so kind to a fan and email me Blues Beach?



Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 09:43:31 ET
Posted by: fezo, apocalyptic now

any idea when BB and TLM will start reaching non major market radio stations? I e'd the local program director of C'ville's AAA station--who was a big pusher of TAN--a couple of days ago and she was bummin' that she hadn't heard anything yet from the record company about the new release.

In her words, she was about to go online to start looking for a copy. Maybe I should have sent her here . . .

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 08:54:19 ET
Posted by: db,


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 08:53:53 ET
Posted by: db,

ER: radio LINDUNK.
uploading new plalist as we speak.
contains less songs than before.
also x5 copies each of TLM & BB.

New slogan for May...
''You're never further than 3 tracks from a new one''

catchy ehhh !!!!!


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 08:33:28 ET
Posted by: Q,

IMHO, Doc Mu - I do have to hand it to you on your "over"-analysis! -you did hit big on LM !
Definite apocalyptic tune al Ole's take on it. Still *wiggy* though.
I hope the rest of the album is even wiggier(is that a word???)

Sorry I missed chat last nite from the buzz.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 07:43:29 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, at the Manatee bar

Can't hold it in any longer.

Have to voice my views on TLM and BB.

OK, first BB:
To those of you saying it's so much better than Cousin Dupree, I find that funny, since that is the very song BB resembles most. Very similar tempo, groove, feel and harmonies. In addition, you can often sing lines from Cousin Dee on top of BB. Just try singing "What's so strange about a down home family roma-a-ance" on top of the last two lines before "Blues Beach", so that "Ro - mance" will occur simultaneously with "Blues Beach".

I'm also getting the impression that they've made it a bit cheesy on purpose. Especially thinking of that whistling wurlitzer line.

With reservations I must say that so far I'm really not digging this tune. It's a bit too slick and unobtrusive, reminds me a bit of the weaker tracks on Kama. I think the song lacks a unique feel, an identity, it sounds a bit like some nice chords randomly put together. And, as I feel is the case with TLM as well, it lacks a strong melody.

Like Firemop mentioned, this is a song prone to being skipped in my book (or cd player). Unlike Firemop, I NEVER skip Negative Girl, which at certain points in time is one of my alltime SD favourites. A song I often skip, on the other hand, that I've heard (mysteriously incomprehensible to me) people praise extensively, even vote for as grooviest SD tune of all time, is Chain Lightning, one of SD's most boring and uninspired songs ever (which is not saying much, really). Interesting to see how differently we can feel and perceive about this great music.

I'm also a bit puzzled by the mix, it almost sounds poorly engineered, but this could also very well be due to the fact that I've only heard it in mp3 and on my computer with the crappiest speakers in human history.

But as mentioned, the possibility is definitely present that I've yet to comprehend the song fully, and that I will regret these harsh words bitterly in a week, a month, a year or a decade.

This one I like better and better. The thing I really dig about it is the drumming. It's incredible how Carlock accentuates the hihat on the verse (listen to it - not one of the hi-hat strokes in a six-eight cycle are the same, yet they groove like hell!).

And Donald really sounds like he's enjoying himself on the "Wwrrrraaawwwl yoah caawt back up the aisle"-line. Ma-ahvellous.

Another excellent touch is Walter's bass line, with the muted notes at the start of each

But as was the case with BB, I again find that the tune lacks a strong melody line and a hook that just won't let go, as countless other SD songs have.

And I hope some of the songs on EMG will have a bit more rock/funk approach and sound than these two. But perhaps that's just me.

Well, gotta go, hope all of this doesn't sound too negative, as that is not the intention, it's more a case of great music not quite meeting my sky-high expectations.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 05:15:04 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

Every time I see Keneally (like tonight) I have this vision of what the Dan would sound like with him in the band. This needs to happen. People, it needs to happen. I know, its not gonna happen. But it needs to happen. Hi ole ;-)

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 03:10:34 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK


Could a friendly Steely Dan fan please e-mail me Blues Beach.

My email address is

Thank you


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 01:37:10 ET
Posted by: benji,

O - I think the daily probe is a rectal thermometer. Must be read daily. Email me. I lost your #.

I am very nervous about the CD my self. It is going to be 1/2 good 1/2 bad like TVN and KK. I mean, Walter's singing! Time to head for te men's room. Wow!

Uncle Benji

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 01:28:27 ET
Posted by: benji,

Watch out.

I recommend the chat.

I was there tonight and it was deep and heavy. We nailed the essence of DAN and keep digging.

Who could have known there was so much to explore?

Lets get right back at it tomorrow fellas!

And see you at the danfests!!!

ps. I enjoy pearloid pick guards - and you?

My guitar with the pearloid, gold hardware and fancy wood cherry color looks like a 1989 Chysler Lebaron - and that's the way I like it!! The kicker: some poor mench in China who wouldn't know a guitar from a Yokahama III got 67 for making it for me.

Ps. New thread. Pick your favorite song that you have heard so far from the new album.

Mine: TLM - yeah!

It took me a while to decide but since I haven't heard any of the others I went with TLM - yeah!

Totally bummed on Fox's 24 this week. Kim wasn't in it AT ALL! They make her run a lot. Which is good for your health.

And they canned Carmen!! Shit!


I had a bitchin' Arbor Day!!! And you?

I think that it is way cool that they are changing Mail Boxes ETc. to the UPS Store.

Walter would benefit from some bitchin humbuckers. Don't you think?

New thread: California roll or Kani Kyu? Yeah!

I think that when dan and wal play at Jones Beach they should rename it Blues Beach - yeah. You know - just for the day.

They could die the water blue and everything. Get it? Cool or what?

You know that it is perfectly legal for women to go topless in New York state! Way!

Anybody heard the new Zappa: FZ:OZ? Should I get it? Cool.

Astronomers are convinced now that there is a tenth planet out there somewhere. I think that they should call it TEN. You know like a Chicago LP! Get it!

Oh yeah - Gina, you are right on the money! Email me. We'll talk again.

Whao! Anybody for starting a Bill Charlap chat room let me know!!

So farm raised Salmon has no Omega-3. Great. The only reason we were eating the shit. I got one word for ya - Flax seeds.

Damn if they don't look like mouse shit.

Dixie Chicks tour - sold out. God Bless America!

I've got $171.53 for a copy of the BB dj single. Lets do business.


Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 00:51:28 ET
Posted by: oleander, people get ready

Hey! I just got back. Did I miss anything?

Hi there E'bound, JayDubz, shark, tones, Thelonious, mockster, Blaise, Q, Ed, Peg, the good doc, Mr. La, kd.... And Hoops, hos' with the mos'.

Can we go back to "The Last Mall" a minute? I hear it as a tune about apocalypse too, yeah, but if nuclear, conflated at least with THE Apocalypse. I can sort of see nuclear holocaust (a kind of follow-up to "New Frontier"), but I think LM is also the sexiest song about the Rapture Ive ever heard. And it couldnt be more apt: it cuts right to the heart of a culture that elevates consumption to religious rite. So Judgment Day has arrived"cancellation day," "the big adios"and what are we supposed to do for the last few hours we have? Shop our way to the Pearly Gates while overhead they announce the blue light specials for sweethearts and the little buckaroos. "Tools for survival" and "medicine for the blues" remind me of all the equipment packed up with the Pharaohs for their putative trips to the next world, and our piles of possessions will do us about as much good. (Not to mention duct tape and plastic sheeting.) Skeevie's comment about the tough going shopping is perfect, too.

Then at last on "that gospel morning" we roll up the ramp to the ceilingI see clouds parting, but instead of blue and angels we see what no one should ever seehave you ever cut into a blood orange? That makes for one very scary sky, with an angry God glaring down from it, or maybe a nuclear firestorm, or jeez, if you can have a burning bush, then maybe an avatar in a mushroom cloud.

The sexy parts: that irresistible bluesy groove. the old roues who pretend to read "The Daily Probe" as they stand in line ogling the nubile checkout girls and who now can slake their sleazy desire one time before its all over. And that "rrrRROLL your cart down the aisle"periorgasmic! The Fagen voice is BUTTA!! NOT to mention those call-and-response Becker guitar flames licking lasciviously at your doomed id. mmmMMM!

Then, as were going about our business, the hammer falls, and the whole thing is OVER. In mid-phrase. Whether were ready or not.

I have a really, really good feeling about this album.

Date: Sun, April 27, 2003, 00:28:50 ET
Posted by: benji,

Hey someone go ask cornelious bumpus if he is going to be on the tour or if walter is going to play sax as well.
He is:

Every Friday
pianist Michael Costatino
7:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.
Cortina Restaurant
118 Berkshire Ave.
Paterson, New Jersey

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 23:30:53 ET
Posted by: Mock Turtle,

all right...

sorry to add to the irritating posts, but I'm putting in my humble e-mail request for BB as well

**crawls back under rock....

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 23:27:16 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, MT

Okay, I'll grovel.

Anybody kind enought to forward Blues Beach or Last Mall MP3 files to the danfans here in great northern rockies will be my eternal friend and always have a warm place by the fire.


Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 21:58:48 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - alternate email address

OK, the word is that the yahoo email cannot accept the larger MP3 files.

I beg you, no stalkers or spammers. But if you have files of Last Mall and Beach, please email me at

Muchas Gracias, amigos

By the way, does anyone know if Jon Herington actually gets to play lead guitar on EMG? Walter's a class act, but Herington's world class.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 21:52:34 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - not too proud to beg

Please....ANYONE with MP3 files of Blues Beach and The Last Mall, please email them to my

Harmonies. In their 70's work, particularly on the album and song, Pretzel Logic, look for the CSNY-esque harmonies. Ditto Boston Rag. Michael McDonald & Donald had great chemistry on Katy Lied (Bad Sneakers), Aja (I Got the News) and Gaucho (Time Out of Mind).

I get the impression that the 2 released songs are "teasers" - toe tapping, poppy, happy go lucky, but with the familiar subversive Dan lyrics and hooks. How I long for a song with the depth and gravity of Aja, for example, with Wayne Shorter's amazing tenor work. I'm hoping for some of that great acoustic piano in the mix, the signature of Katy Lied, and the raw edge of Don't Take Me Alive and Green Earring.

Anyone catch this site yet:

Very encouraging!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 21:29:06 ET
Posted by: DACW,

, Earl et al.: "Paranymphic glider" and "my hypothetical friend" do indeed seem to go together - why not...but then I thought "you were a champion in their eyes" was "you were *Italian* in their eyes" for years!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 21:13:57 ET
Posted by: Can't seem to get to you, through the U.S. Mail

To those requesting a copy of Last Mall or Blues Beach: you are not doing yourselves any favors by not listing an e-mail address on your posts.

You may also want to consider: Yahoo and Hotmail accounts will not usually accept files bigger than 2MB. If you've got one of those, you're gonna have a tough time getting BB or TLM.

The Postmaster

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 19:53:41 ET
Posted by: mopezone, Newcastle, UK

Got to hear more than 48 secs of Blues Beach! Can anybody point me to a location where I can hear it all the way through on demand, rather than having to wait out hours of soft rock on the off chance it'll eventually get played?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help/advise!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 19:09:01 ET
Posted by: angel,

Hey Shawn: I'll check them out on Monday. Both tracks being at work, of course. Sigh.... By the way, ignoring the way the line was written, I did intend it to be a question (see question mark at the end of the sentence). I seem to remember a conversation on one of the guest books, regarding the lack of harmony work in Steely Dan songs. EG: Donald and Walter (Steely Dan) do not sound like Crosby, Stills and Nash or The Beach Boys, as a general rule. Though there was some harmony work done on their demos, back in the Brill Building days. "Stone Piano" comes to my mind, right off the bat. Still, nothing matches that one line in "Blues Beach".
Listening to it today on replay, the groove just loops right back to the top. Reminds me of Donald's comment when Kamakiriad came out. He said that he deliberately gave the songs a specific groove, that when you reached the end you could loop right back to the beginning and the groove would still match.

Definitely Blues Beach is growing on me. Great song to drive to.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 17:58:53 ET
Posted by: Way East of Hollywood, but nowhere near New York

The comments are driving me wild about the new music, because I haven't had the chance to experience the soothing sounds of our musicial chums. Perhaps I should pester the local radio or find out their play listings, but that's not my style. Just tell me one thing: is it everything or must it go?

I'll bet I know the answer, and I can't wait for ticketmaster to tell me when I can buy tixs. Danfest ahead!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 16:16:50 ET
Posted by: Skeevie Wonder, South Florida

Just an amusing observation:

"When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping"

..but when its last call at the last mall...

"You'll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough."

Thanks to the Dandom for the best 2-song CD in years. I'm driving around hoping for red lights.

A Big Adios to All - back to taking care of the little buckeroos

-Skeevie Wonder

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 15:28:42 ET
Posted by: blasie, everyone tall and tanned

Interesting point, Earl, about the aging celibate angle of "paranymphic". If you contrast it with "child bride" in the text, it makes sense. The drifter/beach bum, the crusty, broke punk never got hitched but women around him did, and young at that. His idea of relationships is merely fantasies of running away together (on a glider, dude), short term.
Wonder whether that persona is someone they observed or merely imagined. It reads like a psychological profile of the type.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 13:46:38 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Yeah, I guess I'm swayed toward "my hypothetical friend" which was mu original take on it. Plus "my friend" has showed up a few times in the Steely Dan world.

Hey - Best Buy has the 2-disc DVD of "Glengarry GlenRoss" for the great price of $12.99 this week. (I think today is the last day of the sale). It has a DTS mix and lots of bonuses. It features of course, the haunting sax of Wayne Shorter and the Fagen tune "Blue Lou". The set has both the wide and full screen in the same package. Why can't all DVD releases do this do this! Anyway, great flick, great music and a really nice bonus tribute to the great Jack Lemmon.

Mark in Boston

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 13:36:26 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

First time major harmony work for DF?

How about 'True Companion' and 'Parkers Band'?

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 13:27:06 ET
Posted by: angel,

Blues Beach: That song is just wicked! Beach Boys harmonies on that one line (and we could sail away to the bended end) that give it that layer of a beach song but then add on those creepy "Dan-ish" lyrics and Wow! Gives me the chills, when I listen to it.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first time Donald has done major harmony work on a Steely Dan song? A real aural treat.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 13:19:00 ET
Posted by: Well, suit yourselves

But "girlie girl"? I don't think so.
"Hypothetical grin" in the shape of a glider?
Now now...
"Hypothetical friend", because there's a loneliness to this character that has to be evoked, despite his outgoing allure. He's a crusty punk, scraping bottom, and stuck in this pass lifestyle. He's a kid Charlemagne watching the world go by him, hanging on to his habits. He sees the people around him already in "work week" mode (Sunday of the early resigned), and it's not the case for this hustler/drifter character.
Besides, friend rhymes with end. And it's so much more interesting than a grin.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 12:53:41 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, from NASA

Earl - However, parametric wing design fits with glider. And the shape of the glider looks like a big smile when floating in the air.
"my hypothetical grin". As you said, these guys love making up things. "Bodacious" wasn't even a word until 1980.

Mark in Boston

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 11:39:37 ET
Posted by: On the other hand,

also seeing paranymph used to describe certain fly-fishing flies.

Perhaps a tiny sailing craft just for two?

"Math is hard!"
But language is fun!

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 11:20:55 ET
Posted by: Live Wire, Maryland

Interesting find, Earl. Wouldn't doubt that poem is from where they chose the word since the title Two Against Nature allegedly was derived from a novel, Against Nature, by an author from the fin-de-siecle period (see information below on that book). Perhaps favored reading material of the Mssrs.

As Joris-Karl Huysmans predicted in 1884, Against Nature (A rebours) was fated to be a novel like no other. Resisting the models of classic nineteenth-century fiction, it focuses on the attempts of its anti-hero, the hypersensitive neurotic and aesthete Des Esseintes, to escape Paris and the vulgarity of modern life. Holed up in his private museum of high taste, he indulges his pleasure in fine art and literature. A compendium of fin-de-siecle cultural decadence, Against Nature anticipates strains of modernism in its appreciation of Baudelaire, Moreau, Redon, Mallarme, and Poe."

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 11:02:36 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

I'm personally putting in my vote for "paranymphic glider". I know they've made up words such as Deludin, but there has been a common theme throughout their later works: getting old. A search of paranymph is a bridesmaid, i.e. the woman who never gets marries. There's a poem on the internet by a guy named Charles Baudelaire called "The Paranymph" that talks about the beauty of the middle aged bridesmaid.

Maybe this is just creative thinking, but I sure don't think he's saying paraniffic. Might make it more interesting if it were a "paraffinic glider" though.


Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 09:36:15 ET
Posted by: Mo ,

Well, it sure was worth getting up early on a Saturday morning to get on the online line for PNC tickets! I got tickets in the second row!!! Gotta love Ticketmaster and a high speed internet connection!

I was able to catch The Last Mall a few times yesterday on Radio LINDUNK. Last night the station became "unavailable" and remains so this morning. Anyone know why? Are there any other Live365 stations playing TLM or Blues Beach?

Is it August yet? :-)

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 09:13:54 ET
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYC

Yes, I am going to PNC..Jones Beach too, for that matter. Just got off Ticketmaster for the PNC seats.

How is it that I was in the system by 9:01 and got tickets in the third section--right near the sound board, too, though, which is cool. It's not as if Z100 (our local megapop station) is giving away a hundred or more tickets...

Well, I am in. And the seats will be excellent, I just don't understand the whole coordination of the thing.

For some reason, "whoo-ee, it's Connie Lee, at the wheel of her Shark DeVille" is going through my mind.

Probably should get more sleep. I'm hallucinating.


Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 08:41:30 ET
Posted by: oh... , and did you notice?

"No slack in the tension" triggers this little guitar figure in the left channel, stressing the outmost tension points on the strings.
Nice touch.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 07:49:42 ET
Posted by: , gropin' in the dark

While most corrections to the original were called for and turn out to be right on, some introduced mistakes.
But hey, I'd like to make each and everyone their own judge at this point. Know what I'm saying? We built a solid enough foundation there, give or take this and that, here and there.

This is a full band number, meaning everyone is involved, especially the backup singer. It's a tight infectious groove that could easily extend into a fabulous jam. So I can see this one being played live in heatwaves across the country.
And you're right, gawd willing, this could even be a hit single.

But speaking of touring, when does the Toronto date get changed? Hey, it's a hot issue right now. Excusez moi.

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 03:26:44 ET
Posted by: DACW,

OK, I think we've got it now


I was scrapin bottom
Gropin in the dark
It takes a crusty punk
To really beat the mean streets
Of Madison Park

So I drifted left
And out of town
And I clicked my heels
And I doubled down

To Blues Beach
Im frying
Sizzlin in unmerciful rays
And its the long sad Sunday
Of the early resigned

I went to Central Station
To catch that early bus
They were gassed
And runnin every which way
But unhappily not for us

Here come Trina
Child Bride
I say Hey Girly Girl,
Can I cop a ride?

To Blues Beach
Its rainin
Im chillin at the Manatee Bar
Well its a Stone Soul Picnic
For the early resigned

We could rent a paraniffic glider
My hypothetical friend
And we could sail
To the bended end

Grab big wads of blankets
{Warming up the dark}
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before Sundays sadder part

Give your roommate Yvonne a ring
If she still wants in
I gotta pull some strings

At Blues Beach
Im dyin
Freezin in unmerciful rays
And its the long sad Sunday
Of the early resigned


Talkin bout the blues
Blues Beach
'bout the blues, blues
Blues Beach
another dimension
Blues Beach


No slack in the tension
Blues Beach

Chillin' at the Manatee bar

Everyone's tall and tanned

Scrapin' in the park
Gropin' in the dark

Blues Beach


Yes I want to be on the sand
Blues Beach

Chillin' at the Manatee bar

Way sweeter and merrier

Waiting for the Bus
Baby not for us

Blues Beach


The rain
Oh, Blues Beach

Chillin at the Manatee Bar

The corn grows tall

Not a lot of days
Chillin in the rays

Blues Beach


Havin ourselves a ball
Blues Beach

Chillin at the Manatee Bar

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 02:28:22 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Beach

My ears:

I'm fryin'
Sizzlin' in UNMERCIFUL rays


We could rent a PARANIFFIC glider (a terrific, nifty, paraglider?)
My hypothetical friend


Grab big WADS of blankets, angel of my heart


I'm dyin'
Freezing in UNMERCIFUL rays
And it's the long sad Sunday of the early resigned


Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 02:26:42 ET
Posted by: suedave, way out here in the western world

Wow! Blues Beach! It gets better and more fun every time I hear it! Sounds like a playful tune, what the hell is it really about I can' t tell ya.

Hank Silvers - what a great memory you have, my dear, the entire article is fantastic. I'd never had the time to read it before, now I've got to go read all those articles soon. Better than a book They're by the man, our man, my man ;)

Danfiend, I hear pyronymphic too, but then I remember hearing "skeegy" not "skeevy" in Cuz Dupree and I love the made up word better in both cases.

Blues Beach - a total summer tune, but I can't see it appealing to the masses. TLM - that one I hear as almost a Broadway show tune - or something to go along with a 70's tv show.

All you who have posted the lyrics - you are awesome. Hey, I'm not saying this cause the music has made me high everything is fabulous, everything, kisses, hugs to you all....

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 02:22:45 ET
Posted by: S.,

Thanks for the Green Room Chat Room Hoops. It was great talking with you and it got even better later on. Kid Clean, Ed and Shari joined us, among others.

Can't wait for more. Both these new tracks are groovy! Looking forward to Holmdel and Jones Beach, everyone. Anyone else headed to these shows?

Date: Sat, April 26, 2003, 02:09:16 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at Last

A nice little article discussing the merrits of DVD-A, etc. from our friends down under. A brief SD mention as well.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 22:26:03 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Mark: Yes, that's better. Still not sure about a hypotheitcal "grin". It does not sound like friend.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 21:51:45 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

DACW - As Andy pointed out earlier and I agree, I think the line

Give your roommate Yvonne a ring
If she still wants in I'll have to pull some strings

and I believe it's Madison Park, as in Madison, New Joyzey.

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 21:27:17 ET
Posted by: DACW,

If The Last Mall is the leadi-in to the apocalypse - the blood orange sky ...i.e., an H-bomb, Then Blues Beach may the fallout:

We're getting close with the lyrics - not quite there - still some question marks:


I was scrapin bottom
Gropin in the dark
It takes a crusty punk
To really beat the mean streets
Of Medici?? Park

So I drifted left
And out of town
And I clicked my heels
And I doubled down

To Blues Beach
Im frying
Sizzling in the merciful rays
And its the long sad Sunday
Of the early resigned

I went to Central Station
To catch that early bus
They were gassed
And runnin every which way
But unhappily not for us

Here come Trina
Child Bride
I said Hey Girly Girl,
Can I cop a ride?

To Blues Beach
Its rainin
Im chillin at the Manatee Bar
Well its a Stone Soul Picnic
For the early resigned

We could rent a parametric glider
A hypothetical grin??
And we could sail
To the bended end

Grab big gobs of blankets
{Warming up the dark}
Angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse
Before Sundays sadder part ??

Give you room mate his honor rings
If she still wants in
I got to pull some strings

Blues Beach
Im dying
Breezin in the merciful rays
And its a long sad Sunday
Of the early resigned


talkin bout the blues
Blues Beach
'bout the blues, blues
Blues Beach
another dimension
Blues Beach
no slack in the tension
Blues Beach
chillin' at the Manatee bar
Everyone's tall and tanned
scrapin' in the park
Gropin' in the dark
Blues Beach
yes I want to be on the sand
Blues Beach
chillin' at the Manatee bar
Way sweeter and merrier
Wating for the??? Bus
Baby not for us
Blues Beach
the rain
oh, Blues Beach
Chillin at the Manatee Bar
The corn grows tall
Not a lot of days??
chillin in the rays
Blues Beach
Have ourselves a ball
Blues Beach
Chillin at the Manatee Bar

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 20:57:40 ET
Posted by: W1P, NPR, Santa Monica College

angel, first let me put on my asbestos drawers. OK, that's nice and snug. So, this means that A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd and The Dan now have a specific relationship -- that is both are currently being played on KCRW. FYI KCRW is streamed 24 hours per day at

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 20:19:40 ET
Posted by: Mike Borshuk, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

A great big cosmic huzzah to any kind soul who could email .mp3s of the new tunes (Blues Beach, Last Mall) to me at

I beg ya. I implore ye.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 19:51:43 ET
Posted by: Blaise, *chillin'*

Here we have our drifter/beach bum character/narrator, hitchin' a ride whenever he can to the beach in order to chill, perhaps conducting some shady side business or another but generally "gropin' in the dark" there, visualizing "everyone tall and tanned", while he's fryin', sizzlin', fizzin', dyin' in the sun, global warming oblige.

And where else would you hear female backup singers belting "gropin' in the dark", eh? Amazing alright.
I love it.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 19:22:54 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean,

"Sizzlin' in the merciful rays"

The little bit of sunlight getting through the apocolyptical clouds?


The fall out that is quickly killing him?

just a thought


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 18:49:22 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore,

Mark: Yes, it's Great to be Alive...even with the Iraqi Citizens warming up for another LA Lakers NBA Championship and fiscal stagnation to black hole dynamics etc,... it's great to hear Fagen phrasing like the old days again (and his tone is even more dead on that the 70s to boot) and a real snap in their step. They've never sounded younger!

...and the SOUND from an enginering standpoint is gonna be like a 21st Century Katy Lied without the noise reduction fiasco... video, IEEE1394, iMovie and Final Cut Pro, chemiluminescence, genomics and's hard to believe it's real...

...all lagniappe from here on debt up to my ass and having a ball...

sail to the bended end...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 18:46:41 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, sure

i just found out that a station that broadcasted form a few blocks down the street when i lived in memphis has switched to AAA so if i stayed in memphis i would have a pristine copy of blues beach. but if i hadnt of moved out of memphis i would have never have gotten into the dan but then again when i lived there my aunt had a copy of katy lied, the royal scam, and aja so i was bound to come across them sooner or later.

Or was I?

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 18:18:38 ET
Posted by: angel,

W1P: KCRW is playing "Blues Beach", according to a friend of mine. I don't think that helps much, but at least someone is spinning it here.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 18:16:44 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

Amen Mark! "What a glorious day to be free" to listen to the NEW Dan!!!

I like the 'flavor' of BB. It tastes so 70's but it just got picked from the garden yesterday. Has the same feel as the EGTTM outtake on can just picture Lamont and Fred puttin' down the alley in that old red pick up.

Not everyone has the exact same tastes or perceptions of the world. (Thank God for that. Imagine D&W without their peculiar twist on the world) If someone doesn't like something, they don't like it and are FREE to express their thoughts, especially here, the rules bend pretty far. It should be fodder for a good debate at the most. Maybe if we all make a big deal about the people who say they don't like it they'll get together and pose nude on a magazine cover and have the names of Backstreet Boys songs written all over them (not a pretty image, is it?).

Sorry about that, it's been a long day.

Give me DAN or give me death!

Gonna miss the chat tonight. Drat!


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 17:48:47 ET
Posted by: Oh Boy!,

I have heard now more than once that Blues Beach is not even near the top of the best songs on the album. I can't believe it! BB is awesome! Can you imagine that this is only going to get BETTER?!

I am sooo excited! 46 days and counting...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 17:31:09 ET
Posted by: wait, there's more

talkin''bout the blues
blues beach
'bout the blues, blues
blues beach
another dimension
blues beach
no slack in the tension
blues beach
chillin' at the Manatee bar
Everyone's tall and tanned
scrapin' in the park
Gropin' in the dark
Blues Beach
yes I Want to be on the sand
chillin' in the rain
blues beach
chillin' at the Manatee bar
Way sweeter and merrier
blues beach

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 17:30:48 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Crack Whore - So how do you really feel about Blues Beach? LOL!
It's great to be alive and a Dan fan isn't it?

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 17:27:40 ET
Posted by: Lee, Blues Beach

Blues Beach to me has elements of the Fagen tune Springtime, a little bit of Prince, and Booker T. and the MG's. I love this song already (also Last Mall). Remembering that it takes a good while to fully appreciate new Dan music, this double taste bodes well for the whole CD.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 16:32:23 ET
Posted by: db,

I too would dearly love a copy of BB.
I'm ''fairly'' impressed with what i've heard sofar.
The Last Mall really rocks...though

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 16:22:05 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Blues Beach

I'm so excited, I can barely cope. Three words:

Ba rill yant!

I loved this song the first time I heard it. And the second, and the third, and so on. This song manages to kick ass on so many levels. Chorus, verse bridge, lyrics, sound, the hook, the backup vox. Catchy as hell, complex, evokes emotions of a good nature. Great beat. That little piano transition reminded me of Soul Man intro for some reason. Outro is fantastic, the nice chord changes that answer the hook are reallly nice. Backup singers sound great with chillin at the manatee bar and the like. "I want to be on the sand" sounds REALLY familiar but I can't put my finger on it, the melody of it sounds like the Beach Boys or similar.

Lyric corrections:
Freezin (not fizzin, but I could be wrong)
stone soul picnic (not sole soul picnic)

Stone Soul Picnic was a 5th Dimensions tune, written by Laura Nyro.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:52:58 ET
Posted by: Mr Tweez, UK

HELP!!! I've been away and missed Blues Beach..where is it...Please....

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:39:14 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore, What'snototlike?

Blues Beach is the post 9/11 quintessential Dan dance tune

"Hey Girly girl can I cop a ride?"

It indeed has that Fred Sanford Monkey in Your Soul feel but way, way complex

What's not to like? A single for adults...I see a guy wandering around the beach soaking it in like SpongeBob recovering from his ho-hum life, while something is lurking in the backround...

Monster Hooks!!! more than a Tuna boat!

Fagen's voice is full and expressive

Killer rhythm section including Walter's bass (killer), Carlock's agile and bouncy drums, classic Fagen counterpoint piano chords

Lots going on

Chekc out the interplay between the guitar and believe Rhodes in the left channel (or left hand of the Wurly?)

the goofy, spry, and clever Wurlitzer in the right channel

Rhythm guitar playing of the piano in the right channel

Good double down of back-up voices in the chorus, absolutely soaring with the parametric glider, and then the magnificant call and repeat in both left and right channels - brilliant!

Lots, I mean lots of layers here folks

But then I'm a huge fan of Negative Girl, Almost Gothic, WoH and The Nightfly...

very sneaky Fagen's and Walter's storytelling modes a la their solo albums...just the idea of a hyper-happy sounding song called BLUES beach - more like an escape from the blues around us

IMO, TLM and BB are ten times better than Cousin Dupree...

Enjoy, loosen up...have a ball...the wolf's at the door anyway...

Yes, a pop single for adults with lots underneath the cotton crack and a savory, spicy gyro wrap...a song that features serious musicianship and intricate plannin, but doesn't take itself too seriously in a dangerous and sometimes depressing world...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:35:28 ET
Posted by: W1P, Los Angeles

Can I just say, I hate The Wave. Is there ANY chance that rock n roll stations in the Los Angeles area will play the new Steely Dan? (answer, no)

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:31:28 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Thanks for reposting the lyrics to Blues Beach. Yours seem more correct than mine. I've always had a hard time understanding Donald's singing.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:17:56 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

EGO, What are you doing to me man? Come on folks, I need my fix like the rest of you!!!!!

I already heard the clip on KFOG and love it, I promise to write a better review (like it matters).

Plllleeeeeeease send it! Spread the joy.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:15:52 ET
Posted by: Blues Beach , my hypothetical friends

I was scrapin' bottom
Gropin' in the dark
It takes a crusty punk to really beat
the mean streets of Madison Park
So I shifted left and out of town
Then I clicked my heels and I doubled down to
Blues Beach
I'm fryin'
Sizzlin' in the mercyful rays
And it's the long sad Sunday of the early resigned

I went To Central Station to catch that early bus
They were gassed and runnin' every which way but unhappily not for us
Here come Tina, child bride
I say hey there lady, can I cop a ride to Blues Beach
It's rainin'
I'm chillin'at the Manatee Bar
Well it's a sole soul picnic for the early resigned

We could rent a parametric glider
My hypothetical friend
And we could sail away to the bended end

Grab big garbs of blankets, angel of my heart
Things may get a whole lot worse before suddendly fallin' apart
Give your roommate Yvonne a ring
'cause if she still wants in, I gotta pull some strings in
Blues Beach
I'm dyin'
Fizzin' in the mercyful rays
And it's the long sad Sunday of the early resigned

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:13:29 ET
Posted by: Ego,

DO NOT give Ben "Blues Beach". He'll just come on here and diss it!

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 15:02:46 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Plllleeeeeeaasssseeee send me Blues Beach. Double instant karma promised.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 14:56:58 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Question about ticket prices

I see that the ticket prices are lower at all the other venues than at Konocti, which is the one show I can attend. The least expensive tickets in the way, way back are $79.00, their "best of the best" seating is $148. Why is this venue so much more costly? Anyone have any insight or input on ticket prices?

Not to be even more difficult, but I also think it's weird that the tickets are going on sale at 2 this Sunday.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 14:55:45 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Back from Salt Lake City

Been outta town! Can someone PLEASE tell me where I can get Blues Beach and The Last Mall? Hoops, can you send them to me in an e-mail? Someone please hip me to the new shit! I'm not privy....

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 14:06:12 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks for the extra info, Big Fan. That's 11 am Sunday for us in Chicago. I'll be getting my Pine Knob ticks. "Ticket in hand..."

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 14:04:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,

You make hoopsie giggle too! Nice to see everyone in love with, thinking about, and laughing about the new SD.

Hey, I can't follow all seems like such a long time now since we first got "Blues Beach" (about 24 hours ago, you know?) and I imagined the rumbling Leslie effect which my dinky speakers exaggerated.

Here's my latest thought. That little piano interludeTHAT'S what reminds me of "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again," kinda the solo part.

The students in the class I teach were just talking about how it's important to have more than a faade that you "get" right from the git go and drive by. "The better faade is the one you think you might hate, then you think you might like, no...there's more behind it? that right? Why did they do that?" Well, there's a helluva lot of fun behind the faades of these Steely Dan songs. Guess that's why after decades of listeing to only a dozen of their albums, I still rediscover them. Yet, for others, SD is such pleasant Store Muzak.

The posts are great. Special thanks to Big Fan for helping Digest folks with the new ticket info. Thanks to all of those who have been prodding me to make the Greenroom. You did it, not me really.

More to come...


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:55:42 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, waiting for the weekend

One more thing about the venue previously known as Pine Knob - if you are doing a series package; tickets go on sale on April 27th at noon. Individual tickets on sale TBA. BTW I see Fleetwood Mac is indeed more - $77.50. Get that Visa or Mastercard out now!!!!

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:45:05 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Just in case you think I'm about to start a war of words with you, guess again. I don't have time for it. I certainly hope Donald and Walter don't read your post and mistake us all for anal-retentive know-it-alls! "

You make Joey giggle .

Peace !


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:39:28 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


Understood, I should review my spelling before I post. I'll do that from now on! I guess one's ability to spell correctly *is* the only indication of one's intelligence. But what about you? Why don't you have anything better to do than scrutinize posts on an informal message board?

Just in case you think I'm about to start a war of words with you, guess again. I don't have time for it. I certainly hope Donald and Walter don't read your post and mistake us all for anal-retentive know-it-alls!

Standing by my post


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:39:18 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

i don know about that, but

"frying in the merciful rays" sure sounds a LOT like "soakin' up the vertical rays."

BB is starting to grow on me. it is indeed deliciously layered.

I am going to hold off on any files hosting; I may put up TLM and BB next week or so, but i wouldnt hold your collective breath for anything else.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:32:41 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, one more thing

When Donald sings:

I doubled down to Blues Beach - I'm flyin'

does it remind you of:

Ain't too proud to beg - Sweet Darlin'

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:25:53 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, BB

Earl - that's how I felt about the song. The Wurlitzer/Hammond thing hit me like it was a Quincy Jones/Sanford & Son riff. I cringed the first couple of times I heard it. Now I like it and especially love the groove and the ultra-cool narration. Listen to it a few more times!

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 13:21:34 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Don't pass judgement until you've heard the entire album. In the context of the seeming premise, this guy is pretty dense to be thinking about going to the beach in the face of apocolypse. The fact the song is in first person gives me a clue. And what does his being a "punk" have to do with just going to the beach? There's another dimension here, believe me! "

Ok , Let's see here :

" judgement " is spelled judgment

" apocolypse " is spelled apocalypse

I could go on , but it is just too damn painful . I hope to GOD !!!!Donald and Walter don't see your post as they could misinterpret it as reflective of the collective intellect of the fine and erudite individuals who post here on this most beloved of boards .


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:54:19 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Any kind souls want to send me Blues Beach? Instant karma promised.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:41:32 ET
Posted by: Earl,

alterior=ulterior LOL

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:40:01 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Blues Beach reminds me a lot of a 70's TV show theme song. It was probably created in the image of one. It's a lot different than the more heavy-hitting lyrics we've come to know and love, but I haven't analyzed the song yet. Could they have written a song that sounds intentionally cheezy just to get a kick out of it? And the extremely understated piano line in the middle is kinda goofy as well (Bill Charlap???). I am assuming that they had an alterior motive with Blues Beach when they wrote/recorded it.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:35:05 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At work for now

Just posted online 2 hours ago:

Michigan's DTE Energy Music Theatre ticket prices:
AUG. 11: Steely Dan (rock/pop/jazz); $68.00 pavilion, $30.50 lawn.

SD the most expensive tickets listed except Ozzfest - but certainly the most expensive single band tickets.

I am ready to feel the pain as additional ticket prices are announced.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:24:02 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

I must say I'm DISAPPOINTED in the fact that my d/l of TLM has ceased to function as it used to several days ago........

but I really LOVED the tune and thot it quite humorous.

But I'm disappointed in the fact that some people just spend their days counting how someone else uses a word on a message board.

but I really LOVE the fact that this place exists........


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:22:36 ET
Posted by: Check out girl , the last mall must be that guy from Chitown. The dude that only has the six songs.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:14:53 ET
Posted by: dude, here

just as any new dan tune is cool and obsess-worthy, BB is pretty good. in the context of the whole thing though, i do find myself skipping it to get to godwhacker, the things i miss the most, becker's tune (don't know the name), and EMG, the title track. BB & TLM are very accessible so it doesn't suprise me that the lable released them first. plus it gives the danfanatics a taste without spoiling the main course: you will not be disappointed in the rest on the tunes & blown away by a couple.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:07:39 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Knowing that I have already filled my daily quotient on posts, I posted my last remark while you were posting yours. Apology accepted.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:04:33 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


Are you sure I'm the only one who used the word 'dissappointed?' Read further in the posts. I did NOT use it first. Perhaps you should read first, then comment.

I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY! I love both songs.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:03:58 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Ok, I've listened to Blues Beach about 20 times and I really dig it! I love when Donald and the female singer trade vocal licks towards the end of the song. I'll stick by my first opinion on why of this tune was chosen as a single. It's "poppy" and "cheesy" enough to be accessible to the average music fan. Without hearing the whole record, I would bet my house that the rest of EMG is COMPLETELY different from BB. My thinking comes from the reviews I've read, and hearing TLM. I say as a whole, EMG is going to kill!

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:02:31 ET
Posted by: Evan,

Hi. I'm one of the sorry sacks who has yet to hear Blues Beach OR Last Mall. I'd be forever grateful for someone to email them to me. (Of course, take out the "nospam-" in my email address).

Thanks in advance.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 12:02:22 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Uncomfortable

sorry danfiend -

Matt did use the word disappointed. I should have said that *I* am not disappointed.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:58:58 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Lounging In Itchy Nomex

danfiend - you are the only one here using the word "disappointed".

I am excited and grateful for any new SD material, and I want to make sure that my comments are taken in the proper context. I have only heard two tracks, and of the two, I like TLM a lot better than BB. If BB doesn't do anything for me, it doesn't mean I am disappointed. It just means I might skip over it to the next track, like I frequently skipped over "Negative Girl". On every CD there will always be a "least favorite track" and right now it is too early to say which track it will be.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:36:00 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, venue change

Hoops - Yeah it used to be booked for Trump's Taj Mahal. Damn! I was waiting for a picture of The Donald meets The Donald!

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:34:20 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I've got one more thing to say about BB. D&W know that they have a huge fanbase. They know what we're expecting of them. But hasn't been their stance all along to counter the listener's expectations? Fact is I LOVE Blues Beach! It's too early to be dissappointed.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:27:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Maybe this is new or maybe I finally just noticed but notes a venue change for Atlantic City:

x Aug 30: Atlantic City, NJ : Event Center at Borgata | [Tix] venue change

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:25:38 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey Dan Fans

Regarding that preliminary disappointment for BB or TLM. You have to remember that EMG is a concept album. D&W are way too clever to render work without their esoteric twist. Don't pass judgement until you've heard the entire album. In the context of the seeming premise, this guy is pretty dense to be thinking about going to the beach in the face of apocolypse. The fact the song is in first person gives me a clue. And what does his being a "punk" have to do with just going to the beach? There's another dimension here, believe me!

Isn't that one of the lines that Donald adlibs in the outtro?

Andy, Pete Fogel in rumored to have the largest and most complete Steely Dan archive of anyone. If he's willing, he'd be the way to start, at least.

Mme Erzulie, I think Donald was imitating, excuse me for saying, a homosexual man.(Not that there's anything wrong with that.) I've heard him to many impressions and he's always dead on. It doesn't sound British to me. He also said that he doesn't drink liquor, so he was drunk on happiness. He had just won the Grammys of his (LONG) career. And it's not much different from the other interviews I have.

Hank, I love that article. I first read it over 10 years ago. Donald is such a great writer. But that is no surprise. It's very personal and he really reveals a lot about himself. A must read for anyone curious who hasn't.

Mark, Regarding the 'pyronymphic' glider, I still hear that word. We know that D&W makes stuff up. We'll have to wait until we see the lyric sheet.

Did you guys hear when Donald sung on BB "the Compost Hall/have ourselves a ball?" That cracked me up.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:14:51 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

Hi Babelfish

Could you possibly post Blues beach, like you did last Mall?

I would REALLY appreciate it



Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:06:42 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

Just head Blues Beach for the first time. I gotta say, I'm not too impressed. Aurally pleasing, well polished, sure...but missing something. Don't know what.

Thanks for posting the lyrics, Danfiend. I recognize the term "bended end" from a Cringemaker demo in which one of the omitted couplets was

"she goes all nutty on my last best friend/he tells me 'buddy it's the bended end."

another funny outtake: "she tells her friends about our wedding night/now they all call me Mr. Barry White."


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 11:04:51 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Wearing Flame-retardant Nomex

** Spoiler **

Matt - I think I have to agree with some of your comments regarding "Blues Beach". I am listening to a captured web stream, so I reserve the right to change my opinion when I can repeatedly hear a full-fidelity, full-length track.

When I listen to "Blues Beach", I hear an amalgam of earlier Becker and Fagen tunes along with vaguely familiar elements of other pop songs, and not a cohesive song. Stated simply, I hear lots of pieces of other songs, but not a whole song. I haven't heard anything in "Blues Beach" that really knocks me out or gets me groovin' like "The Last Mall". I guess the geniuses at the record company that decide which tunes to push for airplay are hoping that something in "Blues Beach" will stick.

I hope that time and repeated listens to "Blues Beach" will change my opinion.

Visor is down, and ready for the broil...


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 10:31:33 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Wing design

Hi Danfiend - Pyronymphic? Hey forget Girls Gone Wild, we got Sluts On Fire!! No I think DF is singing "parametric" which has to do with aerodynamic design. I guess "hang glider" was too bland for the boys!

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 09:25:48 ET
Posted by: hey , my hypothetical friends

I've been waiting, praying for some funked up Dan like
I'm crying!
Trippin' on them radio waves
And there's that long lost secret sauce of early design...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 09:18:50 ET
Posted by: Matt, UK


I absolutely adore Last Mall - but on 3rd listen, find Blues Beach the weakest of all SD tunes. Does nothing for me *at all* - I'm really quite dissapointed.

To be frank, neither tune has the live, rich feel I was expecting - but Last Mall is very catchy.

Both rather mechanical still...


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 09:02:38 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers,

danfiend, thanks for the first transcription of Blues Beach. It reminded me of something -- yes, I think I've heard this one before.

Fagen's column in Premiere magazine from the 80's, years after the Nightfly and with no new music in sight. If DF had something to say, I was listening. - 4th paragraph:

"Beatsters! My brothers in the subculture of the Early Resigned! Remember it now. You lie if you say you dont."

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 07:44:46 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Sorry, thinking of Laura Nyro. It's a little early for the brain to be functioning properly.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 07:39:50 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Jesse: I swear it sounds like Donald sings "stone soul picnic" in the 2nd chorus, but I could be very wrong. Was Libby Titus involved with a group who covered the 5th Dimension's "Stone Soul Picnic"??? Maybe thinking of someone else.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 07:35:21 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean,

Danfiend: Thanks for that link. I'd heard it when it first happend but had forgotten about it. Sharp as a Razor (Boy) those two are.

Great time in the Green last night. Again.

Peace, Love and Dan


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 06:17:48 ET
Posted by: Andy, A plea


I'm putting the final touches on the Steely Dan Media Archive--a project I've been working on that right now includes a few hundred newspaper and magazine articles and a lowly 15 audio interviews. I'm looking for help in getting two things primarily:

1. Magazine articles/interviews
2. Audio recordings of radio interviews, TV appearances, etc.

I'd really appreciate it if anyone who has any of these (or any Dan related media item) would get in touch with me to have it cataloged and included in the Media Archive. If you have any article pre-1991 PLEASE get in touch with me. These are usually not electronically archived and thus are much harder for me to track down.

The archive should be up with the new site "on or about" May 1. I think you guys will all enjoy what I've been able to put together.

BTW, It was good talking to a lot of you in the green chat room. Hoops, you've done a good thing with that.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 05:00:44 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, On the airwaves


Kid Clean: Thanks.

Jesse: Yeah, I cracked up too. And when Donald says "Touring is simply Ma-a-a-arvellous" in that poorly imitated british accent!!

Almost makes me wonder if he's drunk or something.

And I can't get that 30 sec. BB clip to work. Damn, dale!! Anyone know ANY other way I can get a listen? Still crappy radio stations in Norway...

The Last Mall hasn't really dawned on me yet, so I won't comment on it until my brain and heart has had a chance to absorb it properly.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 03:44:06 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Danfiend--the lyrics look good except you missed my favorite line in the song:

Give your roommate Yvonne a ring
'Cause if she still wants in I've gotta pull some strings

When I first heard the song I thought the narrator was going to get some Janie Runaway action (Yvonne=Melanie), but unfortunately this guy appears to be into good clean fun. Where is the twist in this song? REALLY bland be SD standards. Reminds me of something off Kama (Trans-Island Skyway?) both lyrically and in musical style, but especially lyrically. The bite is missing. Not a bad tune, just not the treatment you'd expect from SD.

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 03:23:18 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi

Oh Jesse

Donald and Walter are regular comedians! I've got interviews with them on paper and audio dating back 25 years and they always crack me up. You would never guess that Donald is such a goofball. And Walter's right there with him doing that straight-faced slapstick. Put them together--damn.

Regarding that link, it says video, but I only got audio too. I thought it was because I'm maxing the memory on my computer that I wasn't getting a picture. I guess it's only audio.

Denton: No apology is required. Thank you for your candor, though.

I'm about to bounce, kids. I got The Last Mall and Blues burned repeatedly on an 80 minute disk. I won't be sleeping any time soon.



Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 03:08:45 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago

Dan Fans,

Blues Beach

I was scrapin' bottom
Gropin' in the dark
It takes a crustic punk to really beat
The mean streets of Madison Park

So I drifted left
And out of town
And I clicked my heels
And I doubled down to

Blues Beach
I'm flyin'
Sittin' in the merciful rays
And it's the long sad Sunday of the early resigned

I went to Central Station
To catch that early bus
They were gassed runnin' every which way
But I'm happily mapped for us

Here come Tina
Child bride
I said, "Hey little girl can I cop a ride to . . . "

Blues Beach
It's rainin'
I'm chillin' at the Manatee Bar
Well it's some sole picnic for an early resign

We could rent a pyronymphic glider
My hypothetical grin
And we could sail away to the bended end

Grab big balls(?)of blankets
(warming up the dark)
Angle of my heart
Things, they get a whole lot worse
Before suddenly sellin' apart.

Give your roomate
Who's on a ring
She still walks in
I gotta put some (?)

Blues Beach
I'm dying
Breezin'in the merciful rays
And it's a long sad Sunday of the early resigned

Then there are the ad libs on the outro.

These are the lyrics as I heard them. They may or may not be all correct. I you heard differently, please correct me.


Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 02:49:05 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Danfiend, thanks for posting that link. What did you mean by "see"? The interview I got was just audio. Donald is one funny motherfucker. "Never in Finnish. Only in English," and "We haven't had a really great frontman since we left Jay & The Americans" made me crack up.

Wouldn't it be great if they won all the Grammys again with "Everything Must Go"? The Grammys mean less than shit, but it would just be something we could gloat about to all of our non-Steely-Dan-fan friends. It would be even more funny if they just won 3 Grammys with every record they did (assuming they do another one after this, which, by the way, I have my fingers crossed for).

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 02:16:31 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

my mistake danfiend...I must have misunderstood your post. It was weird
because I just saw that video on Monday and remembered df talking about
it. Regardless, it is a great song!

I sure wish I knew when dantickets for Chicago were going on sale!

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 01:29:57 ET
Posted by: Lee, Blues Beach, Desired

Yesterday I sent via email copies of The Last Mall to a few who missed it. I seem to have missed out on Blues Beach. I would really, really love to hear it....maybe an mp3 of the song taped via the radio....please....anyone? Could be sent to: (remove the "remove")

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 01:20:28 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore,

Blues Beach: WOW!!! More INFECTIOUS than SARS, and a helluva lot more fun! That's one jumpy bad ass rhythm section they're laying down with drums, bass, and piano. Lots of sneaky stuff on the Wurlitzer (right channels with piano). Two guitars...Maybe a Rhodes (left channel). Fagen's vocals soar. Glorious bridge!! Better than I imagined from the 29 sec clip! ...gotta have another fix now...

Soon the public will be hooked, strung out, and begging for more...if I can only break into Clear Channel's headquarters in San Antonio...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 01:19:29 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore,

Blues Beach: WOW!!! More INFECTIOUS that SARS, and a helluva lot more fun! That's one jumpy bad ass rhythm section they're laying down with drums, bass, and piano. Lots of sneaky stuff on the Wurlitzer (right channels with piano). Two guitars...Maybe a Rhodes (left channel). Fagen's vocals soar. Glorious bridge!! Better than I imagined from the 29 sec clip! ...gotta have another fix now...

Soon the public will be hooked, strung out, and begging for more...if I can only break into Clear Channel's headquarters in San Antonio...

Date: Fri, April 25, 2003, 00:07:05 ET
Posted by: suedave, 3 hours east of the gorge

Thanks for both clips - love hearing the Blues Beach clip - I heard it in the car a few days ago and even though I'd parked the car I don't think I was ready for BB in all its glory - there was a lot going on in the song. It sounded like a thing of beauty but I still wasn't sure what to make of it. Bring it on, I'm ready now.

After listening to TLM over and over and over I realized how much I'm looking forward to hearing the entire CD in it's proper context. One song after another, repeat, again and again.

If you're coming out to the left coast for the Gorge show - come out a day early and listen to Steely Dan all night long - it's the 2nd annual Seattle Danfest! Set the date - August 1st - hope to see you here and at the show.

See ya!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 23:15:36 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Danfiend - Thanks! That was a classic clip! Now I know what it sounds like to have Doanald and Walter on a conference call!!!

Mark in Boston

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 22:56:43 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean,



Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 22:46:23 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey Dan Fans

You guys wanna see/hear something funny? This site has an interview that Donald and Walter did after the Grammys in '01.

Never seen Donald more happy. It's heartwarming

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 22:02:21 ET
Posted by: moray eel, xrt

For those in Chicago, who have not heard Blues Beach, tune into 93.1 between 9 and 10.

New noise at 9 is coming on.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 21:49:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

thats RAP not wrap.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 21:48:43 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Blues Beach

The bridge is gorgeous -

We could rent a parametric glider
my hypothetical friend
And we could sail
through the bended air

I also love the outro. If you listen real close you can hear
Donald start to wrap when the song ends.

This one is growing on me - fast.

Mark in Boston

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 21:22:16 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Now that I've heard it on a real stereo system, I don't think it's so much a Leslie speaker on that. And there was this rolling piano sound I thought I kept hearing on the dinky speakers during the line leading into the refrain that really ain't there. (But it was cool!) And then I didn't catch the "Hat Too Flat" chords until I heard it in the car. Aside from "I Can't Function." I hear an oh-so-tiny touch of "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" in "Blues Beach." Then it goes away. Very quirky and it's great! VERY 70s sounding. Very cool!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 17:04:39 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I thought it was a Wurly too until I tried to noodle BB on mine. It doesn't sound the same.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:51:08 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore, theposterformerlyknownasorDrMu

Sounds like the same Wurly from Almost Gothic to me...

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:48:01 ET
Posted by: N. Cognito,

"The first real spot north of Seaside Creek is called Blues Beach by locals, aka Chadbourne Gulch on maps. . . . This is where the bulk of northern Mendocino coast surfing is done, so be prepared to share it with some yokels from Fort Bragg or thereabouts."

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:31:17 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Mitch: Yes, I was kidding. I think Fagen and the Backstreet Boys would be a much better fit. Fagen might be able to teach them a thing or two about harmony.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:21:42 ET
Posted by: Mitch,

I think Carlos probably went along with it with out an argument. Old Clive convinced him it would work and it did. Now Carlos gets to walk around being treated like a God.

The new Dan will never get on Top 40 because it just doesn't fit. I mentioned in the chat room - Peg was a hit but wouldn't be now. The radio climate was right for Peg in 1980...not in 2003.

I trust you're kidding about the Justin Timberlake thing!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:20:25 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

I know, Earl! Donald and Usher doing a duet. That'd be killer.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:16:45 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Mitch: You're very right in your SD/Santana assessment. However I don't think Santana came back on his own terms...I read a Guitar Player interview where he claims he's got freedom to write etc. I think he's looks like a serious record company power play to force him into taking on hacks like Vanessa Carlton and Rob Thomas to get the younger crowd to buy his stuff.

I personally would like to hear the Dan on the Top 40 stations only to see if maybe they could draw some new fans in that way. I'm sure there are plenty who don't even give them a listen because they aren't being played on your local contemporary station.

Why couldn't the Dan have done a duet with Fagen and Justin Timberlake?


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:08:00 ET
Posted by: Mitch,

One thing (of many, in my opinion) that you gotta hand to Steely Dan is that they are making Steely Dan records. If you liked them before, you'll like them now. If you didn't like them then, you probably won't like them now.

As opposed to, say, Carlos Santana. I find his last two records to be total jokes. They hire some young gun artists (some of whom are just the flavors of the week - Rob Thomas anyone?) and have Carlos noodle some solos over the stuff and it wins a Grammy. Give me a break.

When the Dan returned, you know what you got? A Steely Dan album. No guests. No names. Just Don and Walter and some studio cats.

Same as it ever was!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 16:05:51 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


No one made the argument that Peg isn't a blues. It definitely has a blues structure but with a major harmony. It was my argument that while the chords are a major blues, the subject matter was a straight ahead blues. What is this knitpicking with my old posts, anyway? This is the 2nd time that's happened this week.

Back to Blues Beach. Still pining to hear the whole thing. Hoops, like Mitch said, the Leslie is a speaker that's used to connect to a Keyboard, but that instrument doesn't sound like a Hammond. It could be a Wurly or Rhodes with an effects pedal like a wah or envelope filter or something. Can't wait to find out for sure.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:54:41 ET
Posted by: Rudy, Canton, MI

Looking at Amazon, I noticed that an import EVERYTHING MUST GO is shown as coming with a bonus DVD. ??? Anyone know what that's about? Or is it just confusion over a possible DVD-A release?

HMV's Japan online store ( also lists it as having a bonus DVD. Interesting...

-= N =-

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:49:42 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

Also, whoever was talking about "peg" not being a blues...I have a DF
keyboard instructional video w/Warren Bernhardt where he says Peg is a
sort of "Major Blues" ala 1950's or something like that. Not going to
argue with anyone, just stating info...

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:43:33 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

"well...", thanks for the realplayer link to 30 sec clip of blues beach!

It's awesome, gotta hear the whole song!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:32:03 ET
Posted by: , smokin' with the boys upstairs

Mike: "Audio Crack!" I think that's the "line" of the day...just missed BB...rotation in about 3 hrs? dropped you an e

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:23:10 ET
Posted by: angel,

Did anyone hear a lyric "angel of my heart"?
Light summery. I like it.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:19:17 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Greenroom chat anyone?

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:18:12 ET
Posted by: Blue Beach,

It's on KFOG right now.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:16:07 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, KFOG

Playing right now on KFOG

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:15:38 ET
Posted by: ,

playing right now... kfog

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:12:48 ET
Posted by: MItch,

The plight of the Steely Dan fan: Having to sit through the 10,000 Maniacs in hope of hearing the new Dan track!!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 15:01:37 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I got into KFOG with IE 5.2, OS X and Windows MediaPlayer for Mac 6.1 So it's up. Good luck ,Blues.

Thanks for the info, Firemop and Mitch.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:59:22 ET
Posted by: Blues,

Thanks for the info Firemop, but I cannot get logged on to their site. Just says loading audio.....

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:37:31 ET
Posted by: Firemop, @work listening to KFOG Stream

** FLASH **

KFOG Jock just announced new Steely Dan coming up. Should be a good time monitor their stream and hear "Blues Beach".


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:35:28 ET
Posted by: MItch,


What you're referring to is an electric piano run through a Leslie speaker. Leslie speakers are part of what give a Hammond organ it's distinctive sound.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:33:24 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I keep thinking it's a Leslie piano. If I am correct it's a kind of electric piano where it's speaker(s) rotate in circles towards and away from you. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:30:40 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Mark- Agreed about your Pretzel Logic analogy. This was my thinking as well. "The single" is usually more of a "pop" thing. This record is going to be slamming!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:30:23 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


I don't think that's a Wurly, after all. I can't get a handle on what the keyboard is. Never heard nothing like it!

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 14:12:17 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Man oh Man

That Blues Beach sounds amazing. That Wurlitzer riff is killer! Damn!

I got one thing to say kids . . .


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:46:38 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Blues Beach - 1st Impression

Just heard "Blues Beach" while driving in my car and it had me smiling. A summer pool tune for sure. However, I would
never in a million years guess that this tune would be in the 2003 mix of SD songs. I guess that's part of the genius of Becker and Fagen that I admire. Why would this tune get the green light and "Wetside Story" and "2nd Arrangement" get the scrap heap? I am hoping that this tune, which is almost a stripped down shuffle, is a one-off from the rest of the CD. It really had no drop your jaw solos and the chorus was nothing too special. It did have a classic Fagen Nightfly-ish bridge that was really tasty. Hey, if "Through With Buzz" and "East St. Louis Toodle-oo" were the first 2 tracks we heard from Pretzel Logic, we would definitely get the wrong impression of the album. Right? I think EMG is going to be one of those albums where you have to listen to the whole thing and absorb the many layers.

Mark in Boston

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:41:53 ET
Posted by: Well...,

Yes Hoops I love that one. Fagen falsetto?
Sounds incredible. "Audio crack" is the word on that one.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:17:14 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Firing up the time

What a teaser!!! I just got back from lunch, where in I was disecting TLM a little more. Firemop beat me to it but it definately sounds like 'KAHT'. Awesome, Mad, Wiggy! Then I get a teaser for Blues Beach!! What a sound. Can't wait to be able to take in the whole song. Help!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:12:20 ET
Posted by: I got the news,

North Korea admits nuclear weapons today. Threatens to test one in the next few days. Says they'll export nuke material to whoever will pay. Tell U.S. envoy, "What are you going to do about it"? Time to head to the Last Mall for some duct tape...

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:02:32 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Amazing! I need to say that it's "Blues Beach" I am talking about?

My speakers are tiny at work so it reminds me of the first times I heard "Do It Again" and "Reelin'" when I was 10 or so, through the mono speaker of the AM radio on my dad's Vista Cruiser. And then I taped it off an old AM radio at home with my cassette records mic placed carefully next to the speaker, hoping no one would talk and screw it up. (Lest you think I'm bragging or something, "Reelin" was taped next to "Monster Mash" and Maureen McGovern's "Morning After.")

Limitations explained, it sounds at times like there is a Leslie piano on "Blues Beach" or something like that. And then this cool stuttering-fluttering piano riff. Oh my god. AWESOME!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 13:01:20 ET
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KY

Dear Lord, Blues Beach is like audio crack. The outro is just plain incredible.

El Sup

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 12:54:07 ET
Posted by: hoops,


Thanks for the clip Well. Then I just heard it from a pal who taped from the radio. (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU)

It sounds like Prince meets something off the '68-'71 pre-CBAT demos and NOT even that. It has this wild and wiggy piano thing I ain't ever heard from SD! WOW! It's not too much like anything SD has done before. COOLL!

Holy Fuck!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 12:32:54 ET
Posted by: Well..., thanks for that

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 12:25:51 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Heard Blues Beach this morning!

Local SF radio station KFOG played Blues Beach this morning for new releases Thursday! I was in the shower and my husband started yelling that there was a Steely Dan song on that he didn't recognize and I shrieked "BLUES BEACH!, BLUES BEACH!" He cranked the stereo and then brought in a portable radio so I could hear it. My daughter started dancing and singing doot do doot! I love my family.

It was a weird way to hear it, but BOY did it sound GOOD! Nine year olds agree!


Wow, that's a whole lot of exclamation points!

KFOG streams and takes email requests at They also have a feature called 10 at 10 (ten great songs from one great year)they do each day and it routinely has Steely Dan featured by the way.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 12:05:11 ET
Posted by: Firemop, @work

Peg - Of course, the many subjective interpretations of SD lyrics is but one of their endearing traits. I always thought "Peg" had something to do with obsession with pornography.

"The Last Mall" - Whenever I hear DF belt-out "Roll your Kaht back up the EYE-uhl" I get the biggest grin. I can't wait to hear more.

One more thing. Let's not have any more talk about EMG being SD's "swan song". This is one of the best times for Dandom and I don't want to be bummed-out during the pre-release excitement. Besides, 20 years ago we thought Gaucho was a swan-song, and see how things turned out?

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 12:04:05 ET
Posted by: angel,

If you can do so, put your player into megabass and take another listen on that bass line on "The Last Mall". I definitely get the feeling that during parts of the song, the bass line sounds a lot like the Booker T and the MG's "Green Onions". A personal favorite bass line song. (minus Steely Dan ones).
I originally heard it going in and out between 2:24 and 2:35, but it turns up other places like 1:21 to 1:28 and 2:00 to 2:01. It adds a really cool layer to the song.

This song will be a killer, live. I can see extending it and Donald just totally getting into it.

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 11:53:27 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware


Download Winamp...didn't sound right on Windows Media Player. Winamp's sound is pretty darn good.


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 11:39:23 ET
Posted by: Peg, The Last Cubicle

Since I'm the dumbest when it comes to computerdom and have no idea how to run an MP 3, I really do appreciate that description, Cosmic WoW. Guess June 10 will have to do for me....
Keith, will you be in Columbus? Are there any Columbus Danfests planned? And Hoopsie, when do the CHicago tickets go on sale? I need to make plans quick.
Hey, to whoever said the song Peg was about a guy losing his girlfriend and having sour grapes, I disagree. I always thought it was about singer Peggy Lee and some lawsuit she was in against with Disney concerning her voice in the cartoon movie "Lady & The Tramp"....I don't recall the particulars about the lawsuit, though, as it was a long time ago. ANy other theories?

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 11:16:33 ET
Posted by: Cosmic WoW, WoWie! I'm Back!

WoWie! It's the new Steely Dan, "The Last Mall!" It' so bouncily...fatalistic! I think more than a few comparisons between "The Last Mall" and "Tomorrow's Girls" might be drawn. They have a similar mood, a certain sci-fi quality, the horns, except no solo/bridge. Not entirely the same, but that's what pops into my head.

My first impressions for now.


, ` ,, ` ,, ` ,, ` ,, ` ,, ` ,

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 10:13:03 ET
Posted by: Dan D, Office

9:00 PM in NY is 3:00 AM in Norway

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 09:26:18 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Magnolia Boulevard

Help! Radio Lindunk refuses to play me anything!!

Action Canceled is all I'm getting. At least there's no static...

And I tried sending you an e-mail, Ben. Don't know if it worked, though. Anyway, I'm a dedicated SD fan with every intention of buying at least one copy of every former and future SD publication, so if you'd send me a link or whatever, I'd be grateful.

So what time is 9.00pm in Norwegian time?

Mme Erzulie

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 04:27:49 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Alan, the reply-to address in your email is crook and my reply bounced. Definitely interested.

For any other Australians out there who may be interested in a bit of a trip to the States for the second leg of the tour, Step on in and let me shake your hand. Seems like I'm not the only nut over here.

...the coming is close at hand

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 01:15:00 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Mall Songs

Hoops - Sorry I missed the chat tonight. You're right, (Nothing but) Flowers by the Heads does paint a post-apocolyptical landscape of a Mall. Another song in the same vein is Fountains of Wayne's "The Valley of Malls" (lyrics below). In fact I just queued up LM, Flowers and Valley of Malls and listened to the three of them in a row. By the way, FOW's new CD comes out on June 10 also!! I'll be having multiple eargasms that Tuesday!

The Valley of Malls

The King of Araby is coming home
It's bumper touching bumper on the motorway
The sun is in the sky just now
But the road is grey
They drive in Winnebagos from the Everglades
Pulled over by the troopers in the mirror shades
The Caravan is sorry
The driver has a twenty and change

And we're leaving all the road for dead
We're getting tired of the twists and turns
You gotta go when human nature calls
We're driving, we're driving
Through the valley of malls

And God forgive the passengers if we should fail
To find a penny fountain or a half-off sale
I need a merchant
I've just started searching for the Holy Grail
Fighting for the freedom from a common bond
To be a barracuda in the guppy pond
So little time for so many things to try on

And we're leaving all the road for dead
We're getting tired of the twists and turns
You gotta go when human nature calls
We're driving, we're driving
Through the valley of malls

Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 00:40:17 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Beach combing

I've got TLM on repeat. This is 'easy listening', in a good way.

While feasting on this I did a little searching for Blues Beach. The most common hit was for a little town in West Virgina. I wonder if that's where Cuz Dupree is from?

Man, do I need a life!


Date: Thurs, April 24, 2003, 00:33:19 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Coastal California (Tumbles...)

Evenin' Danimals...Anyone looking to put a pre-gathering together for the Costa Mesa or Paso Robles shows?...Please e me and let me know...Can't let these rare opportunities just slide by...

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 23:15:00 ET
Posted by: h,

Was discussing some topical similarities and dissimilarities of "The Last Mall" and Talking Heads' "Nothing But Flowers" from their "Naked" album.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 20:09:12 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, in agony

so, what's that link???

this computer won't show me your email addy ben... what is it?

c'mon guys/gals... i gotta hear this thing!!!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 18:24:43 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

SoH, if a 2nd leg of the tour happens in Sept or later, I WILL be booking tickets, no question.

Decided to "work from home" today - cant concentrate on anything non-SD related at the moment, and tomorrow is a holiday here, so what the hell.

Hey Keith, hows your mate Jimmy P ?

Bring on the next chat, Hoops.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 17:49:04 ET
Posted by: Live Wire, Ellicott City, MD

Glen Burnie Bill -- Thanks for the heads up on Blues Beach airing on the Annapolis station. I'm new to Maryland and wondered which station might be likely to play it.

By the way, I've never been to any of the mid-Atlantic venues SD is going to play. Of those in Virgina, PA, NJ, which TWO would be best to see them? And would Jones Beach really beat the bunch?

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 16:53:40 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Yep, tuned in and have heard the "The Last Mall" a couple times now, and what hits me over the head is how this is going to be played in the aisles of your favorite grocery stores. I love standing there looking at pasta in the Italian aisle and hearing "Any Major Dude" come over the speakers, or being in the rug store and hearing "Hey Nineteen" and now we are going to have the "The Last Mall" a perfect bit of cynicism from the boys.

Tasty and hokey like "Cousin Dupree" I can't wait to hear the rest of the album!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 16:17:34 ET
Posted by: Joe Van Ryn, St. Paul

OOPs! First Post Here

Thank You Ben for the link.

I think I read or heard some talk about this being a swan song for
S.D. but after listening to The Last Mall it sounded to me as if they're both having way too much fun to call it quits. Walter is solid and Donalds voice is strong...RR
RRRRRRRoll Your cart on up the isle!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 16:15:40 ET
Posted by: Joe Van Ryn, St. Paul

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 15:55:01 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Update on Guitar Player article: They just recently updated their site with LAST month's features, so it appears that it will be a month before they link up the Becker article. If you want to see it right away, go to your local newsstand and read through it. I assume that copyrights would prohibit me from posting the article, and Hoops would immediately remove the post. So, I'll link when available at

Thanks for the MP3! The Last Mall is a great tune! It's silky-smooth musically, but some of the words just smack you. Can't wait to hear it through headphones to pick up the layers that get buried. If the rhythm was taped live, I'd say they had a great take. Becker's guitar predictably sounds unpredictable. I would have to say the transition between bridge and verse both times are highlights, with Don belting out "Roll your cart back up the aisle!" Can't wait for the full offering.


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 15:40:04 ET
Posted by: Bill, Glen Burnie, Md

I just got a message back from one of the staff at WRNR 103.1 in Annapolis, Md. He states that they've just begun to play Blues Beach and that we should hear it soon. Of note, they do a new release segment every Saturday morn from 9-10

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 15:08:57 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, with a near zero glide path

Matt, Ed, Chris, SoH, Scotty, Groove,

Hoops! You're a badass. Thanks for the
Green Room. Lotsa familiar souls were
in there, and PUSHING PLAY AGAIN was
the main course. What are your tour
plans at this point? E me.

El Sup! Lots goin' on... Are we hookin'
up in Columbus? If you make it up to
Laughalot, we can road trip or caravan
on to the United Center. Look for an
E from me soon.

Anticipating the BEACH...

Where's Oleander??? Zeke???

Laters, Keith

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 14:16:24 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

If anyone wants TLM, I have a link where you can get it, but you have to email me and promise that you will buy the album when it comes out!

Ironically, I listened to TLM today and like it more than I did yesterday, but then again that's usually the case.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 14:08:15 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

Thank you all for the kind words. It was my pleasure to share the new tune---that's not something one keeps to oneself! Besides, yesterday was kinda like a holiday. it was fun.

Anyway--if anyone still cant get a hold of the tune from the genours folks on the blue, drop me a line and i'll see if i can hook you up.

About the tune: I think theyre being sarcastic in The Last Mall. We have so much abundance in our country, that there will always be more than enough of everything--at least, in the forseeable future. I think the semi-urgent sales pitch throughout the song is a parody of the sales pitches used in real life..."you have to buy
NOW"..."only for a limited time," etc.

Note: I may post another tune maybe next month, depending on whether or not its OK'd.


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 13:55:22 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

>Posted by: Todd, Scrasdale (where the hell am I?)
>"I'm sorry but...anyone that doesn't like 'The Last Mall'is not a >Steely Dan fan! Case closed."

First of all Todd, it's "Scarsdale", that's where the hell you are. Second, don't apologize, it's just music baby. Third, I didn't say I don't like "The Last Mall", I just don't like it as much as 99.9% of the other Dan tunes. If you didn't like the Majestic, does that mean you're not a Jim Carrey fan? Fourth, I couldn't be a bigger Dan fan if I tried. I lead a Steely Dan tribute band for frick sakes. Hell, I even wrote a song that expresses my love and admiration for Steely Dan. I'm giddy like a little schoolgirl in anticipation of EMG.

Case open beeatch!

(take any insults with a grain of ecstacy, I'm just playin')

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 13:46:05 ET
Posted by: Rudolph The Red, Fort Llatikcuf, Arizona

Found a station that plays blues beach and will apparently play it upon request. So who's gonna get with me and record this beauty? Let me know.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 13:45:21 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Any Mall That I'm Welcome To

Video? Well ... Two Against Nature sold without one, but I can see the record company itching at having one done and released to help sell even more records.

As I understand it Donald and Walter aren't that keen on videos, but they did make that DVD. Maybe something similar might be coming our way this time instead of some MTV or rather VH1-friendly four minute video?

I do love the ones made for Donald's solo albums though...

Per-Gunnar Eriksson
(enjoying the soothing sounds (?) of Radio LINKDUNK) :-)

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 13:36:37 ET
Posted by: Barry,

Enron + Global Crossing + Worldcom + ImClone + Tyco + Adelphia + Dynergy + AOL = Everything Must Go

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 13:03:43 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, The First Mall

okay I missed it all--How can I hear the Last Mall??

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 12:52:39 ET
Posted by: Barry,

Box Cutters + Anthrax + Sarin + Duct Tape + Bin Laden + Dirty Bombs + Suitcase Nukes + Cyanide + 9/11 + Code Red = The Last Mall

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 12:44:15 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Thanks db, I am tuned in...I can't do mp's from work but can stream.

This glory day

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 12:37:33 ET
Posted by: db,

I'm playing TLM on radio lindunk.
link's from dandom radio pages.

busy day today... did not a jot of work yesterday & lastnight i didn't want to go to bed

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 12:15:32 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco

Hi - A few people have emailed me asking me to send The Last Mall after I posted comments. I would love to help but I don't know how to send it!

I'm sorry! I'm technologically challenged in that regard but not unhelpful...

It looks like some other pals here may have the ability I lack, so hopefully they can help.


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 12:03:34 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Coastal California

Hoops...The Green Room was great last PM...Let's do it again often as the tour unfolds...It's nice to know that there are Dan freaks like me all over the world...Book that flight yet, Scotty?...SOH

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 11:35:36 ET
Posted by: impglein, NJ

"The Last Mall" definitely brings to mind the classic horror film "Dawn of the Dead", which takes place in a mall infested by zombies.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 11:15:54 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Last Mall Video

I have visions of Donald and Walter wandering around and riding the escalators at a deserted Mall of America, that huge mall in MN. All the stores have going out of business and 'Everything Must Go!' signs. Instead of the "Just Scotch Tape" store that was a skit on SNL, they wander past a "Just Duck Tape" store. The video would have a Night of The Living Dead look. Spooky and funny at the same time....

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 11:04:02 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers,

It was nice to be a part of the grand opening of the green room last night. Lots of interesting topics going on -- at times, too much for me to follow it all, so if you were there and addressed something to me I didn't respond to, that's why. One thread that could have been expanded was the apparent reduction in SD's budget for EMG. "The Grammys were great, guys, so you get to do another record. But when you do, can you please do it for a little less money this time?"

I hope there's no video for The Last Mall, but it's easy to imagine happy shoppers dancing about like the housewives in decades of detergent commercials on TV, ecstatic that their whites are whiter, while the WMD loom overhead. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 10:54:37 ET
Posted by: Janie's Amigo, Spain

Hi everybody. Excuse me for exceeding your consideration, but if you send a copy of the Blues/Last Mall to this spanish danfan, you can be sure that if anytime you want to spend your birthday or something in Spain, you've got a home. Or (cheaper)at less,you've got a friend.
Understand me, for obvious reasons I'm hungry, I couldn't listen to KMTT.
And now a question? There are going to be another Dark Age in the SD area?... What is that "everything"?
Thanks a lot.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 10:54:07 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware


This should work. Thanks a bunch!


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 10:52:02 ET
Posted by: ,

E.S.: To my ear, it sounds like the end. I heard some echo at the end of the drum run. If the station had edited it, that echo would have been clipped off

Great chat last night - I visit chat once every 3 years, whether I need it or not...

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 10:14:17 ET
Posted by: Snake Mary,


The file got bounced back. Its 3.4 Meg, so give me a adderss which will take a big attachment.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 09:45:47 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Anyone want to help a lowly soul who has yet to hear "The Last Mall?" Could someone please forward a copy to my email address please? A big "Thank You" for anyone who might help me out!


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 08:34:09 ET
Posted by: Todd, Scrasdale (where the hell am I?)

I'm sorry but...anyone that doesn't like 'The Last Mall'is not a Steely Dan fan! Case closed.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 05:49:42 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Not where I should be ... obviously

I should obviously check the Blue Book more often... Missed out on that Babelfish thinghy. And the rest is silence...

Any tips on Dan-friendly streaming statons that are spinning any of the two new tracks on a more frequent basis?

Hoops: Now that the tracks are officially released to radio stations, will Radio Free Dandom start playing "The Last Mall" and "Blues Beach"?

(Just reading the lyrics to "TLM" had me swinging my udders -- so to speak)

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 04:49:06 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

I really wish I had mentioned StL's Grant Green as my favorite jazz guitarst before Walter did a few months back. Now anytime I bring him up, it's only going to sound like lame hero worship. Damn.

Bluesy, laid-back, swinging. Boxy, beautiful. Reading the GP interview, and hearing Piano Jazz. I did a jock-boy fist-pump each time Walter mentioned Grant. Short of WB coming through with, "Kelly Dwyer is my favorite young player, what a chop!", it was quite the validation.

As Elvis said, "who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 03:15:58 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hoops, The chat was great. Met some new friends and enjoyed the commentary.

As I mentioned to you guys in the greenroom... I'm not a work, the sun is shining, I'm looking out over the ocean with TLM pumping out on the stereo....It doesn't get any better than this.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 02:55:09 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I beg to differ when you classify Peg as a "Happy Blues." I can certainly see how one could make that association. It's in a major key while most blues are either minor or mixolydian in tonality. If you're judging the song's character strictly on the harmony, then I guess I'd agree. However, the subject matter is very solidly within the blues tradition. This poor guy lost his girlfriend. He's devastated. "Peg, it will come back to you," he admonishes her. Sour sour grapes.

The thing that's unique about Steely Dan is their seamless knack for juxtapostion. Both Peg and The Last Mall have ominous, devastating themes, but you'd never know it from the music.

What is it about Donald's solo work that you don't like? Aside from the overall attitude, his solo work is nearly identical to Steely Dan
releases. Just curious.


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 02:25:23 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Happy Blues? That certainly isn't anything new. "Peg", "Bodhisattva" anyone? Or, go back further to the great hard bop and soul jazz pioneers like Art Blakey and Cannonball Adderley, or even further to Louis Armstrong and his Hot Fives. Hearing "West End Blues" definitely makes me happy.

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 02:12:12 ET
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KY

Last Mall non-resolution theme: Before we jump to conclusions about this, we need to remember that this was possibly not how the ending was intended to sound. It sounds to me like a rather brisk cut at the end. This could possibly be due to a DJ saying something at the very end of the song BEFORE the resolution i.e. "There's the new one by Steely Dan" being said over-top of the finale. The original source might have (thankfully) edited this out. Let's see how it plays out on the CD.

On that subject, this might also be a single edit of the song provided to radio stations. At around the 3:20 to 3:23 mark, there appears to be a musical "frump" (my word used to describe a blend or cut in a song that sounds just a tad out of place - listen to the Remix of F.M. for an example of this). We could have a slightly longer version of the outro on the CD.

Someone who has an advance of the CD could verify this for us. Bastard? Anyone?

My thoughts on the song: I told somebody it was the probable result of Confide in Me being blended with Florida Room and recorded during The Nightfly sessions. I'll stand by that. Happy blues? A new genre? Whatever, I love it.

Earthbound: Get in touch! My E-mail is listed.

Just thoughts,

El Sup

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 01:45:26 ET
Posted by: Green Room, EMG

Great chat room! You're the man!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 01:03:47 ET
Posted by: Jaydubz, LaLa

Thanks for the taste, babelfish! I too enjoyed the "non-resolution"!

Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 00:51:13 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, last call

Anyone notice the 'with special guests' for the Denver show? Anyone know what that is all aboot?


Date: Wed, April 23, 2003, 00:26:35 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Green and Blue

Props on the chat room Hoops!

You've done it again.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 23:46:29 ET
Posted by: Prince o' Princeton , <-- guess

hey looks like PNC goes on sale 4/26. One other show also finally posted on I wonder what the chances are of getting with 40 rows of the front....

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 22:49:01 ET
Posted by: Waaaaaa,

Ben...You can leave with tones.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 22:32:24 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Duct tape

I thought The Last Mall might be about a Beltway Sniper situation.

Is it darker than I thought?

A 3 1/2 minute toe tapper about a shopping panic caused by a terrorist attack?

Get your plastic sheets and duct tape...


"The big adios
Is just a few hours away"

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 22:11:20 ET
Posted by: Bill, Chapel Hill, NC

You guys are killing me, I feel like Ben from Frisco. Pullllllsseee, I need a fix. Someone, anyone, please can you help a brotha'out? This all started Saturday morning, first I hear, its going to be on in LA, then I find out that station doesn't stream, then its supposed to be released at all AAA radio stations, nanh, nanh, nanh.....Help!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 22:03:07 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

The Last Mall

Interesting, certainly lots going on. Has a nice swingin' shuffle feel. I like when they do their blues stuff but this one sticks to the blues a little too much, in terms of structure and licks. The B section is my favorite. I really like Don's voice on "morning, that gospel morning", I don't think I've heard him sound like that before. The piano lick leading into the second B section (or bridge?) is terrific. The horns are nice except for the call and answer during the chorus. I like dissonance but that part doesn't do it for me. The lyrics are OK except the chorus, just not all there. The melody of the chorus is lacking too. Walter's guitar fills and soloing are OK but not very memorable, a little too straight forward with the blues licks and not much else. The ending is cool, I like how it doesn't resolve, wondering if the next song on the album picks up where it left off. The first part of the ending, the descending piano part, reminds me of the theme to the TV show "News Radio". All in all it's great to finally hear it, but I hope it's the worst song on the album. They did the same thing with 2VN, Dupree is by far my least favorite on that and it was the one they came out with first. Not sure if I can tell the diff yet about the analog vs. digital, I only heard the mp3, and it was on my headphones at work. I hope the other songs are much longer too, 3:35 goes by quick. I am a huge Dan fan, and am even in a Dan cover band, but I'm not so much a Donald solo fan, and The Last Mall sounds closer to his solo stuff to me, so I'm not as thrilled as I hope I'll be with the rest of the tunes. This one is on par with Dupree, I Got The News, and With A Gun for me, i.e. 9 times out of 10 I'll probably hit the next button when it comes on.

Can't wait for the rest of them though!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 21:21:44 ET
Posted by: t, I meant...


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 21:14:40 ET
Posted by: tones,

This question is directed towards Shaun in Boston directly and to the blue book generally. It's full of Steely content and not meant to cause conflict, so I hope you let this float awhile Hoops.

Why do you feel the need to slam the yellow book for being off topic, when

a) some people may not have had the *privilege* to have heard The Last Mall yet, and therefore may not have an opinion on it. Or if you can believe it, may want to hear it first before reading other people's opinions

b) some Dan fans might actually have other things to say

c) you know the format is different before you go there

d) some people might read actually read *both* gb's for different reasons

e) this gb has yet to be slammed on the yellow for being miopic


Just let it go. Enjoy your blueness and live-and-let-live.

dan peace


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 21:07:18 ET
Posted by: Lee, bliss

I also am truly grateful for this. Thank you very very much Babel! As for this song, I like it a lot. However, I know, as I am sure all of you know, when it comes to their music, it takes at least a few listenings to even approach actually "getting" it. Thus while reserving full judgement, at this point in time, I like The Last Mall very much, and this is a point in time that is much sooner after the initial listening than it usually takes for me to truly like a debuting Dan song. I have a theory on that. It takes more time to "get" a Steely Dan song compared to most other iterations of pop music because of the complexity and the abundance of elements, the combination of which is too much for the brain to readily process. Thus it takes a few listenings for the elements to finally come together in one's mind. Now, back to The Last Mall. To me, it has a similar tempo, along with the overall "feel", of The Second Arrangement, updated with a little more swing.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 19:05:22 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

Dan Fans

I move to do something real special for Babelfish since he/she put "The Last Mall" up for us. Something like giving him/her complimentary copies of EMG when it's released or maybe a pair of tickets to the show of his/her choice. I'm very serious, folks. I'm THAT grateful. I'll feel even more obligated if he's/she's able to put up "Blues Beach" this week. What do you say?

I'm your new biggest fan, Babel! If you hadn't posted it, who knows how long I would have had to wait to hear it on FM.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 18:41:03 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I really like Walter's solo on this tune. I think it's his best solo since "I Got The News" (which, by the way, is so good, that I was surprised when I found out that it was Walter and not, say, Larry Carlton). I love the judgement day lyrics juxtaposed with the happy poppy radio-friendly sound. Now I'm really looking forward to June 10th.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:55:16 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

No way!! I was in frickin meetings all day and look what I missed. This royally sucks! Pllllleeeease, someone please let me hear it!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:52:29 ET
Posted by: Firemop, The Last Mall

I briefly toyed with the idea of not listening to any of EMG until I get my hot little hands on the CD in June. You know, kinda like staying a virgin till you get married... Well, after reading all the raves my (admittedly weak) willpower broke down and I tasted the forbidden fruit. After a dozen or so listens, I think I will have that post-coital cigarette, now.

Babelfish, Thanks for sharing!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:47:13 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

I didn't hear "Blues Beach" in Boston. I was driving through Maine back to Boston when I heard it. I believe it was on 100.3 FM, WKIT (Bangor). Not sure though, I was in shock!

"Blues Beach" had a great ending. Donald was trading vocals with a female singer. It sounded like Carolyn Leonhart.

Blues Beach..."Chillin at The Manatee Bar"!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:42:15 ET
Posted by: ,

"I've got a sweetheart sunset special
And all of the standardized stuff... "

By gawd, it's still there. It lives!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:15:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Hi Shaun,

What Boston radio station is playing "Blues Beach"?

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 17:05:49 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

...and that'll be all. i hope everyone got a chance to hear the tune. if there are any folks who still havent heard it, i may be able to arrange for an encore presentation later this week.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 16:39:04 ET
Posted by: ???, ???

it boggles my mind why pink floyd would be a topic at any dan discussion. except for being "classic" it has no dan-like elements, and the tunes, musicianship, and personnel have nothing on the dan.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 16:33:02 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Babelfish- Yes, thanks! Last Mall is KILLER!

They're putting "Blues Beach" out as the first single. I just heard it. It's a VERY "poppy" tune. I wouldn't be surprised if "Blues Beach" isn't the best song on EMG. The reason being, D&W could have been trying to write a "pop" hit (like Cousin Dupree) to put out on the radio. So I don't think we can judge the rest of the album based on a "hit" song they're trying to write." After all, Donald and Walter have always said that they were never good at trying to write a hit song.

Can't wait to hear the other seven!

p.s. Did anyone notice over on the yellow the big topic is Pink Floyd? And today of all days! I hate that guest book. Shame, shame, shame!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 16:24:40 ET
Posted by: N. Cognito,

Quick Read Notes for The Last Mall: DF sings with passion . . . post-bubble, barely pre-apocalyptic vision . . . swinging stuff.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 16:19:22 ET
Posted by: babelfish, still in chgo

Glad you're all digging the track...I listened to it at leat 10 times as soon as I got it this morning!

Posting Blues Beach would require 1) actually having the track and 2) the green light from a certain figure in a position of authority. Once these two factors are in convergence it'll be up.

I gotta take The Last Mall down in 40 minutes...last call.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 16:10:03 ET
Posted by: California Michelle, SF

Thank you, thank you, thank you Babel!

I've been so stressed out and hearing that made me feel SO much better! I agree with the consensus, reminds me most of Confide In Me, most definitely.

There is a twinkly brightness that reminds me of Gaucho, perfect.

Hi other Michelle!

SD's Buckaroo - Michelle

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:56:29 ET
Posted by: W.Sharif, Chicago

I'm new to this board, and I just heard "The Last Mall". The song is absolutely wonderful. Thank you Babelfish for posting the link.

Has anyone here heard "Blues Beach". If so, how is it?

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:52:48 ET
Posted by: Mr Tweez, UK

Babel..You are a tower of strength..Listen, everyone else around here has been a bit reticent to ask but ME, Nah! PLEASE POST BLUES BEACH..

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:50:58 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Word is EMG track is about Enron. And Godwhacker is about someone hiring a hitman to kill God.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:41:29 ET
Posted by: Q,

Yes *wiggy* !!!!!!! that's it!


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:25:19 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


I really don't see why you would take the time to take issue with the things I posted yesterday, especially in the midst of the Last Mall and Blues Beach madness.

But if you insist. Yes, I think Donald sung "*walk* around my yellow stripe," because he declined to walk the line. He refused to work.

"*Done* like the matador, makes little sense to me, and doesn't seem Steely Dan-ish. However, "Dumb like the matador/I pray for the weekend" seems to speak to me. Matadors can't be too bright if only by virtue of what they do.

I could be wrong too, but it matters little to me whether I am or not. I'm riding the EMG wave now. Besides, who was it who said the best art is that which is open to interpretation? That pretty much puts the cap on it, unless I'm forgetting something.

Oh yeah, and *shudder* is a typo. The lyric *is* shutter.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:25:06 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

For a real treat, follow "Last Mall" with "Caves of Altamira" on a burned cd.

THERE's yer res-oh-lotion.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:24:23 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, at the checkout counter *smacks*

Bravo Babelfish!
Whoa! Finally, some freshness!
I sense the urgency of Tomorrow's Girls
in it, as well as all the aforementioned

YGK: Yeah, the ending is unsettling, and
you know they meant it that way!
Can't wait to hear it all in succession.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:19:39 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

**babelfish thank you SO MUCH for posting the Last Mall.**

I've just finished listening to it (15+ times) and for me it is FANTASTIC

If this is what the album is going to like then I think we are in for a REAL treat.

If the Last mall was on 2vN then it would be my favorite song & I love 2vN.

Cant wait till 10th June

Donald & Walter with stuff like this, please keep on going for ever, we love you!

(massive fan since '83)

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:19:34 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

It's mad, it's wiggy, I love it.

"ROLL YER CAHT backupdeaisle!"

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 15:03:01 ET
Posted by: someone, somewhere

the good news is that Last Mall is the most predictable tune on the record, followed by the whimsical Blues Beach, which still hasn't hit home with me yet--almost too silly. EMG, a soul ballad, and The Things I Miss The Most are completely addictive. i was suprised they released LM and BB first although they are the most easily digested tunes of the bunch.

i agree with hoops that walter has defined a sd guitar sound with this record, which i like, but there are some instances where i'd prefer some downright aggressive wanking. if you like the rhodes sound on LM you are in for a treat: it only gets better and more up in the mix too. this record has the tastiest and most prominent background vocals of and solo or sd record yet, and EMG, the title tune is one of the 2 or 3 best dan tunes ever, imo.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:57:29 ET
Posted by: Bill,

A few apparent Mondegreens, or maybe I've been hearing these wrong all these years:

>>"Fire In the Hole" With a cough/I shake it off/and walk [work?] around my yellow stripe
>>"Throw Back the Little Ones" Dumb [done?]like the matador
"Peg" "Then, the shudder [shutter?] falls/ you see it all. . .

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:54:56 ET
Posted by: db,

my face is hurting from smiling today !!!

the line ''Roll your cart back up the aisle'' on 2:48 is a hoot !!!
It's making me cry with laughter. ( wonder how many takes there where)

the non ending is a great touch, I wonder if they will be able to reproduce that live.. knowing how ''naughty'' musicians can be.

Linda likes it because you can dance to it.
(just mind those cow pats )
today has been a GREAT day.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:52:23 ET
Posted by: Sean, Quincy, MA

The Last Mall is kinda jaunty and upbeat like Walk Between Raindrops. Can't wait to hear the whole album.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:36:26 ET
Posted by: New Frontier and The Last Mall,

The Last Mall is kinda like a New Frontier for today. We've come full circle. Getting provisions and lots of beer at the mall, only the Reds have been replaced with terrorist cells and Kennedy and Ike with Bush. Well, somethings get worse as you get older.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:28:41 ET
Posted by: The last (gun) moll, Lord & Taylor

Many thanks, Babelfish! What a swinging tune! Perfect for
summer. I can see the cows' udders at the State Fairs swaying
in time.

The "blood orange" sky and purchase of "survival" items, etc.,
make me think of Homeland Security color alerts.

Donald's voice sounds great.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:28:14 ET
Posted by: h,

I also thought of "Minute by Minute." So you're not imagining it.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:24:38 ET
Posted by: , furthermore

One thing I definitely like is that sonic boom that was produced, not only with the rythm section but everything sounds real big. It must be due to going analog for the record. It's a noticeable punch added.
And this is no DVD-A.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:22:45 ET
Posted by: MItch,

Another comment:

I LOVE the Rhodes sound!!! Finally...a return to the old Rhodes sound - well mixed and balanced through an MXR Phase 90 phaser. I was let down by the Rhodes sound on 2VN and Kama. This is more like it!!


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 14:13:18 ET
Posted by: db,

The first few bars of the last mall remind me of Minute by Minute.

I think Walter's guitar playing is cool sounding.
I think it could be a hit !!!

Cheers D&W

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:39:46 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Babelfish: muchas, muchas, gracias!!!!
I've got a grin from ear to ear because of the sounds that you let me hear!

Just hear "The Last Mall"..........
and I don't know if the ending was supposed to be that way, the classic blues walkup to resolution........but there's no resolution!!!!
still had me waiting......

funny, funny, track.......reminds me of Gaucho outtakes.......


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:36:54 ET
Posted by: Blaise, @the works

I get back to this place and already, not only did I have the luxury to hear The Last Mall a few times, I even followed the lyric sheet printed herein. What convenience, guys. Incredible.

We'll worry about the ethics of the practice later, but we're no better than Baghdadi looters with this shit, right?
Us starved little injuns.
Now the song reminds me of Confide In Me, a lesser-known Donald Fagen tune from the eighties. As people mentioned, it's a straightforward uptempo blues, perfect for wailing over guitar-wise and yes, it grows on you.

Erzulie - think summer.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:29:40 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

You're quite welcome!

I hadnt noticed the "Ruby Baby" feel, but that is an accurate comparison. Sure sounds like EMG is another "concept album"'ll be a real treat to see how all the tracks melt together.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:21:53 ET
Posted by: Horseshoe Crab,

The Last Mall:

I LOVE it!

A classic Fagen blues song that is indeed in the Confide in Me genre as hoopsie sez. A touch of Ruby Baby open big band blues. Quite slicked up with Kama/big band horns in the Ellington meets LA jazz of the late 50s kinda mode. The sound is 3-dminesional and Very lively - fab! Very much like the NYR&SR open soundscape - think the Pretzel Logic finale. Well-balanced, unlike Kama. Funky blues thump thumpa bass line. Piano setting the rhythm. Very nice drumming by Keith Carlock. Extremely crisp in the pocket guitar by Walter - better than much of TvN . No solo like West of Hollywood or WASAM, but appropriate for the song.

Did anyone else notice a touch of Mr. Sam in the bridge?

In short, the LIVE sound works very well - like a Wendel-less Nightfly or Gaucho albums

Very Cheery sound over obtusely ominous lyrics - the Hill Street Blues kinda juxtaposition thing...

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:19:13 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Jammin' @ The Last Mall

THANK YOU, Babel!!!!!!!!!

I think Walter sounds outstanding. I think one of the earlier reviews mentioned that these songs could have been Nightfly outtakes, after just a few listens I find it hard to argue with that.

Thanks again!

Peace, Love and Dan


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:17:13 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Babelfish - You're my new hero! Thanks!

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 13:04:24 ET
Posted by: MItch,


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dig it. I have to say that is sounds like Walter has been practicing! His lines are really nice and show development from the last record.

Whoever said it was the basic S. Dan take on the blues is correct in my estimation. does groove hard!!

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:59:07 ET
Posted by: suedave, supposed to be working

KMTT played BLUES BEACH this morning on my way to work - had to pull off the road and adjust the sound while the commercials were hard at work getting ready for it.

It started out with some interesting piano volleys between two players, and in broke the familiar Donald voice. Many lyrics to be determined still, but a few that I caught were

- scraping bottom
- manatee bar
- groping in the dark

It didn't strike me as a classic sounding SD tune, it continued to be a piano based tune almost throughout the song. I think I'd like another listen or more, it is one that is likely to grow on me. It probably has the horseshoe crab line....

off to a meeting....


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:44:00 ET
Posted by: ,

Be cool--IF YOU HAVE IT, DON'T DOWNLOAD IT AGAIN. ONLY CAN BE DOWNLOADED A LIMITED NUMBER OF TIMES and then the link goes away since I can only afford so much bandwidth. Don't click unless you need to download.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:36:19 ET
Posted by: babelfish, again

Please note: I can only have this up for a few hours. I'm taking it down at 4pm Central.

till then,

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:28:46 ET
Posted by: babelfish, the last mall

Go nuts, kids:

hoops- i got no beef with WB's playing, and i agree that his playing is quintessential post-Kama guitar. but i just wast impressed with the Last Mall solo. didnt have bite i expect from his high-profile single solos.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:22:54 ET
Posted by: h, again

I disagree with your assessment of Walter's playing. I think it really solidifies Walter's playing as The Guitar Sound of Steely Dan. Great playing.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:20:12 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I've already got a video in my head for "The Last Mall." I can't help but listen to "The Last Mall" and think of Moonflower having to make one more spritely trip to the Mattoon Mall to pick up Lancme, a pair of techtonic earrings, a new hat, some Tommy jeans and an iced mocha latt before the bombing starts. And as she walks out of the mall, with her hands filled with shopping bags, managing to sip her drink, the bombs start landing behind her in the mall.

Last night I was disappointed in "The Last Mall" and it sounded too lightweight for Steely Dan. Then this morning, I had the big "a-ha" and I grokked it. Sorta like when I didn't get "Janie Runaway" and then all of a sudden the lines, "Who likes to try new things?" and "Who gets to spend her Birthday in Spain/Possibly you, Janie" leapt out at me and I accepted that tune along with the rest of the Steely Dan cannon.

Soundwise, the closest thing to "The Last Mall" is "Confide In Me" with sprinkles of "The Finer Things" and "Time Out of Mind" thrown in now and then.

As far as accessibility, it's a lot like "Cousin Dupree" in that you get the sound right away and it's relatively commerical and catchy.

So like I said, last night, I didn't especially like it. This morning I love it. It's as good "Cousin Dupree;" not as good as anything off "Aja" and I sure can't think of anything SD not as good as "The Last Mall."

All IMHO...your mileage may vary. Thanks!


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 12:06:22 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

Well, it's classic pre-post-apocaylptic Dan. Kind of an prequel to "kling of the world," if you will.

I agree with the "when the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around" feel to the tune. It's a surprisingly straightforward 12-bar blus with the standard Steely alterations.

Walter's solo is all right, nothing dazzling but it fits the song well enough. Not his best solo, tho.


Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 10:23:31 ET
Posted by: ,

m.e.: There's some "While the World is Running Down, You Make the Best of What's Still Around" feel to it as well

well Q, looks like based on Rudolph's lyric sheet, my "overanalysis" is dead far...all in good fun mate!

Jesse: Koz does suck - it's a thin line between muzak and funked-up muzak...

Security has been very tight on EMG, wheras, stuff was leaking out the wazoo prior to TvN. Yet at less than 2 months before release TvN was in the top ten at in pre-sales, and EMG can't even crack the top 200 so far...draw your own appears that AOL Time Warner Without Ted Turner Whatever is trying the more traditional radio route...things will be ironic indeed if Blues Beach or another track breaks through the Clear Channel juggernaut...

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 09:27:52 ET
Posted by: B, uk

is there anywhere at all we can download Last Mall or Blues Beach?

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 08:43:41 ET
Posted by: jon,

I like it after a couple of listens, but "The Last Mall" is a fairly pedestrian take on the blues (SD-style, of course) and with a tasty horn chart to boot.

I know I'll need to a don flame-retardant body stocking for saying this, but every time I hear Walt take a lead I pine for the likes of Skunk, Denny, Larry Carlton and Rick Derringer. This cut is no exception.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 08:25:03 ET
Posted by: Rudolph The Red, Fort Llatikcuf, Arizona

The Last Mall
by Mr. Steely Dan and whatever

Attention all shoppers
It's cancellation day
Yes the big adios
Is just a few hours away

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall

We'll need the tools for survival
And the medicine for the blues
The sweet treats and suprises
For the little buckeroos

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall

I've got a sweetheart sunset special
And all of the standard stuff
Cause in the morning, that gospel morning
You'll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough

Roll your cart back up the aisle
And kiss the checkout girls goodbye
Ride the ramp to the freeway
And meet the blood orange sky

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall

The last mall...

We've got a sweetheart sunset special
And all of the standard stuff
Cause in the morning, that gospel morning
You'll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough

Roll your cart back up the aisle
And kiss the checkout girls goodbye
Ride the ramp to the freeway
And meet the blood orange sky

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall...

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 05:56:29 ET
Posted by: G., Sun Mountain

Oh lordy db, when i just saw your post in Yellow i had to escape into Blue and there you are again, talking that Mall Talk :-)
There's this sense of excitement getting a hold of me and it's strange if not silly, or isn't it?? The realm of anticipation expectation et al ...

But what has me the most, is this L O Y A L T Y, sigh, loyalty throughout the years for music, Steely Dan music. Lots of music we all listen to, but it's something else that makes our blood run wilder when they're in the picture, right?
Outa here.
Banyan Tree Bow in Blue,

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 05:42:48 ET
Posted by: db,

The Last Mall is ''awesome''

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 02:46:15 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

The fact that the new single was debuted on a show hosted by Dave Koz really embaresses me. Dave Koz is really one of the worst of the worst smooth jazz players. I truly hope Don and Walt don't actually like that crap.

Date: Tues, April 22, 2003, 01:50:30 ET
Posted by: moray eel, xrt

S.M. Steve: Thanks for the lyrics.

Does anyone else get the feeling that The Last Mall has an evil tone to it? In a Beltway Sniper kind of way?

I haven't heard the song and I've only read the lyrics that have been posted here, but it sounds like someone's going postal in a mall.

"blood orange sky"

"kiss the checkout girls goodbye" (you can kiss your ass goodbye?)

"take the ramp to the freeway"

I don't know. It just seems like there are some possible similarities between The Last Mall and other songs like Third World Man or Don't Take Me Alive.

Not the sort of song you would expect to hear before a Kenny G. song.


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 22:52:05 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, here

well for the paso show you also have to pay fair admission which is $1000 eash.

well not really

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 22:21:22 ET
Posted by: Mark Buckingham, London UK

For any and all interested, Jon Herington's news page has been updated @

Jon's guitar work features on Everything Must Go.



Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 22:03:28 ET
Posted by: Mark,

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 21:39:01 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, Konocti Harbor...I wish

Looking for ANY morsel of info to satisfy
my tour-hungry desires, I see that the Paso
Robles event's tickets are going for a
whopping $38 a piece!!! WTF?! Where do the
bozos who charge $100+ for a ticket get off!
*Hats off to DF&WB!*

Also, the resort on Clear Lake - north of
the Bay - looks like one fantastic fuckin'
venue! Anyone been there?

Herington's back?!
Wonder which grrls will be up there too???
Too many thoughts...

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 18:55:23 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Great info, Earl. Read elsewhere issue of Downbeat has Steely Dan on the cover with a huge story. Not out just yet though.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 18:52:36 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @west of the last mall or Hollywood you pick

I love the smell of steely dan this time of the year.
or any year.


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 18:07:54 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Got home from work, and I saw my latest issue of "Guitar Player" magazine placed nicely in my chair. Front cover? A relative nobody. First name at the top of the page? Steely Dan!!! I look inside and see a 2 page interview with Becker. Some highlights:

-He did all guitar solos himself.
-He's going to play guitar on tour.
-He makes it sound like Slang of Ages is a more spoken song, thus he is able to sing it...he thinks most SD songs end up out of his vocal range.
-6 piece rhythm section recorded live tracks at Sear Sound (formerly Hit Factory)...solos were all overdubbed.

Some nice info...nothing mindblowing, but he did make a comment (I don't have it right in front of me) that could be interpreted that this might be their final foray. I'll check the GP website for a link as soon as possible.


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 17:47:54 ET
Posted by: ,

Nina Simone is dead. What voice. What a loss to us.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 16:49:36 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Princeton Junction, NJ

Hi Everyone! Hi Michelle in California!

I really like the new cover. It reminds me of Pretzel Logic like some others said. Looks like the speculation of who did it is over. The site says, "Cover Photo: Charles Gullung, Photonica."

Excited about all the shows here in the Mid Atlantic and NE. This will be the cool part of the summer!

See you all THIS SUMMER!


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 16:47:25 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @howling wolf 2


Its on the promo page(ODPWISE)

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 16:46:06 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @howling wolf

Hey ,
Check out the Howling wolf and look for the autographs..

I want one..

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 16:00:38 ET
Posted by: db,

All change on

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 14:28:22 ET
Posted by: angel,

I managed to run, not walk out of a Doctor's office and hear the last 1 minute or so of "The Last Mall". Very exciting to turn on the radio and hear Donald's voice on something I did not know. Ed, I concur on the tasty guitar licks at the end of the song and the fact that they sounded like Walter Becker's style. Dave Koz was broadcasting from NYC, so I had hoped that he would have at least one of the 2 on to talk about the song and album. But from what I heard following the song, I don't think that happened. What a wasted opportunity, in my opinion. The only lyric I managed to copy down, was the same one as mentioned below. "Kiss the Check Out Girls Good Bye". Most of the rest of the song, was the The last Mall being sung over and over again, with those yummy guitar licks following.

The album cover has appeared on the Official Dan Page. Check it out.

Hoops: Thanks, I thought it was a great idea. That would really be going back to their old school and for a cool reason.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 13:50:44 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, Laughalot, IN

A question comes to mind:

Will we be given the opportunity to
purchase early bird tix for this tour
as we were in Y2K?

Code me in!

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 13:47:13 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt,

why is it that when i start downloading the last mall someone calls and screws up kazaa. i cant wait for blues beach

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 13:39:34 ET
Posted by: the possibilities,

Man, if the boys were really cool, they'd do an instrumental version of "circles of L-5" for their musical interlude to start their 2nd set.

Great song and would put the spot light on their friend - the composer, Mr Denny Dias.

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 13:13:42 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Danfiend: Nigel, Ed, Santa Monica Steve, et al:
Thanks for the info, color, and updates on The Last Mall.

Alan, others:
Yes, Ive been asked about EMG, whether I have it and how it could be obtained, etc. I definitely dont have it, have not hear it at all. Yes, several of you are way ahead the rest of us. With 2vN, I didnt hear it until a couple of the West Coast stations started playing Cousin Dupree right before Christmas 1999. Then the clips were offered New Years Day at Of course, since I was very, very lucky to be at the Sony shows, I heard some new songs as a result of events surrounding the Walking Tour. About that time, pre-release promo copies of the CDs started being circulated to radio stations, etc., An acquaintance had one but never got around to copying it for me. But maybe two or three weeks before the actual release, Reprises web site had this back door that was widely publicized in the Dan forums and it allowed one to listen to the album in over the web in so-so quality. At the time, it couldnt be easily down loaded. I didnt have my own copy until the day it came out. Im just explaining all this as Ive received a few private Emails asking where to get EMG, or how come I dont make copies for people. I simply dont have it and have not heard it. Sure, it will be fun to hear the tracks as they leak out and I am eager to hear it all, but as someone pointed out, it will be here soon enough as well.

11TOW is awesome. I think you can get it from last I checked about three months ago. Email me privately if you dont find it.

Ed, Big Fan, Shaun (Boston), , n, oops, always Big Fan, and more:
Thanks for the links.

Check your Email.

Jesse, Andy, Angel, others:
I acquired the vinyl version of 2vN as an import BEFORE Becker/Fagen announced that any LP was mastered, etc without their involvement. I like the large artwork above all else. Something nostalgic about an LP as well. The curious thing about the LP is that it appears to have been manufactured by BMG-Europe which also was the manufacturer and distributor of the 2vN on CD in Europe, etc.

SueDave, Angel:
Didnt realize that the Dans alma mater had a Gehry. Of course, here in Chicago we are getting a couple of Gehrys: A band shell (to replace the one where Jazzfest is held) and a pedestrian bridge. The interesting thing is that Gehry doesnt have a lot of reason or logic behind the forms he makes. In fact, he relies on engineers at Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (Sears Tower and many, many buildings of note in Chicago, NYC and San Francisco, just to start) to make them happen. Without SOM or computers, Gehrys stuff wouldnt be built. But unlike in the spirit of Steely Dan, so much of what Gehry does is there by whim and not delivbarate to the max, as is Steely Dan. In 20 years, I think we will see Gehry as a fad. In architecture school in the early 1980s, Steely Dan is what we constantly listened to. It was perfect and precise and sophisticated. Steely Dan is very popular with Architects and designers, especially The Nightfly and Aja.

That IS an interesting idea about Becker and Fagen performing at their old School. Are they never going back?

Bay Area Michelle:
Thanks for the Koncoti info. Helped some people who the get the Digest.

M and others:
Thanks for the DF vocal moments.

I read often but I think this place goes better when I dont post often.


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 12:51:18 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, Laughalot, IN


The Last Mall?
Damn, another reason to wish I lived on
the left coast...

The intention is to tour the CHI-Colombus-DTX
run. All pre-shows and post-shows.
Keepin' an eye on the announcements!

Hey Jim, Cisneros, ElSupremo, et al, hope
Cincy pops up in Leg II so we can Do It

Can't wait, y'all!

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 12:15:55 ET
Posted by: torkman, Lansing, Michigan

Greetings fellow SD fans. Unfortunately, I can't get THE WAVE from here and couldn't listen to my favorite band's new release. I see Nigel wants to hear the same clip I've been trying to get, but the "Click2Hear" site( ) doesn't show "The Last Mall". Does anyone know if "The Last Mall" is available now or if demos are availbel to local stations?

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 12:00:45 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I'm not too upset that I don't live in LA. One song? C'mon. I can wait! I remember the first time I spun 2VN. I hadn't heard any of the tunes prior as singles. I enjoyed it more. Man, that was sweet. I'm looking forward to a similiar experience for EMG--being able to experience EMG as a whole.

Jesse, as far as 2VN on vinyl goes, the answer is yes. I have a copy of ALL the Steely Dan albums of vinyl. That includes Kamakiriad and 2VN. When this album drops, you have no know where to look. The pressings will be limited.

Sorry for the expansive list of my favorite Donald moments. It's condensed, believe me.

"Fire In the Hole" With a cough/I shake it off/and walk around my
yellow stripe
"Your Gold Teeth" I have seen your iron and your brass/can't you
see it shine behind the glass/your fortune is your
roving eye/your mouth and legs/your gift for the
"Everyone' Gone to the Movies" I know you're used to 16 or more
"Throw Back the Little Ones" Dumb like the matador
"Don't Take Me a Alive" "Agents of the law/luckless pedestrian"
and "I know what I've done/I know for at once who I am
"Peg" His singing on the tag at the end--"Then, the shudder falls/
you see it all. . .
"Gaucho" Just when I say boy we can't miss
"Green Flower Street" When he alternates singing and talking: since
May/there's trouble/most every night
"Tomorrows Girls" The whole thing! Singing was supurb!
"Gaslighting Abbie" How can you knock/this mighty spite lock/check
out the work itself
"Negative Girl" I'm on the street again/staggering out into the burn
of the brain dead dawn/to arrive in time to find her gone

Their songs are all so well written that it's hard to distinguish your favorite Fagen moments from your favorite written phrases. They almost coincide, don't they?


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 11:11:48 ET
Posted by: Santa Monica Steve, LA

What I remember...

"the blood-orange sky"

"kiss the checkout girls good-by"

"take the ramp to the freeway"

"the little buck-a-roos"

What a GREAT bass line!!!!!!!

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 10:59:17 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @the last mall

Just listened to THE LAST MALL with lots of noise as I live a distance
from LA. Donald's voice appears to be in fine shape or further up in the mix at least on this cut and there are a few tasty solo's on the cut also.
Plus the title LAST MALL for all intents is self-explanatory on at least the first take


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 10:55:58 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

Please is this the correct site?

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 10:47:16 ET
Posted by: Where the h*ll, is everybody??

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 10:15:56 ET
Posted by: Theolonious, Mondo, MT

Favorite Fagen Moment. (among many)..

I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
I'll be what I want to be..

First time I ever actually wished I was in LA .

See ya at the Gorge!

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 09:12:54 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Waiting breathlessly

When they hell are they gonna play it? It's 6:12 already!!!!
What? Me, impatient?

Fav Fagan moment....

We sail our icecats on the frozen river
Some loser fires off a flare, amen
For seven seconds it's like Christmas day
And then it's dark again
And then it's dark again



Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 04:18:13 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Ed-- I'll definitely be hitting at least a few shows this summer. How many depends on how I can juggle my work schedule. I'd like to hit the DC-Philly-NY-Hershey-Atlantic City shows, but who knows, could be more, could be less.

Jesse-- I don't think Don and Walt have a very big vinyl collection. Here's what Donald said in an interview with the Onion in 2001:

"The people still stuck on the vinyl thing fit into one of the DSM categories: schizotypal."

So there you go. I'm kinda surprised that EMG was recorded on tape; kinda goes back on a lot of what Don and Walt have said in the past and Roger Nichols, my God. What do you think he thought?

Hope everyone's Easter was enjoyable. Happy listening to all the Angelinos out there. Give us a full report.


Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 00:37:12 ET
Posted by: angel,

Jesse: The short answer on vinyl for 2VN is no. See more here:

Date: Mon, April 21, 2003, 00:09:00 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'd also like to think that Don and Walt have only LPs. Most of my Dan listening is on LPs, but of course, I have "Citizen Steely Dan", 2VN, and a compilation of unreleased stuff (thank you Andy!) on CD. Does anyone know if 2VN was released on vinyl, or even the new one? That would certainly be cool.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 17:05:33 ET
Posted by: The Cuervo Gold, The fine Columbian, Make tonight a wonderful thing

I'm just about to start buying some Steely Dan on cd.

Do I buy normal or digitally remastered.

How would Donald & Walter want me to hear the cds.

I read somewhere that EMG is analogue mastered does this mean the standard cheaper versions of the cds are *better*

I bet Walter has only LPs.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 15:58:04 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @hot cross buns central

Thanks for the clarification and the GREAT SITE.
Will we see you on tour this year ?


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 15:32:35 ET
Posted by: ,

Me: Thanks for the heads-up. BuyDVDNow

does not list EMG yet for DVD-A, but will pass on any new info...a week early? hmmmm...

Clarified something from the digital audioguide site I wasn't sure about regarding "regional codes" used for DVD-V:

"DVD-Audio does NOT include Region Codes. Therefore, all DVD-Audio discs will be playable on all DVD-Audio capable players. However, many DVD-Audio discs include DVD-Video components to provide compatibility with DVD-Video players. Those "objects or files" (usually Dolby Digital or DTS audio and short videos) could be restricted by Region Codes and may not be playable on all DVD-Video players."

That's a great DF vocal moment...other Fagen vocal moments:

"...I've been dreamin' of my own Green World..."

- True Companion

"I'd like to know what's on his mind
He's say 'Hey buddy, you're not my kind..."

- Green Flower Street

"...there's a race of men in the treeeeeeez.
Thanks for calling
I wait all night
For calls like these"

- The Nightfly

"...Snake Mary dreams along..."

- Rose Darling

",,,with rage in your eyes and your megaphones
Saying all is forgiven
Mad dog surrender
How can I answer
A man of my mind can do anything"

- Don't Take Me Alive

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 15:10:14 ET
Posted by: Mr. LaPage, Carolina


51 Days and Counting!!!!!

Sorry, haven't posted in a while...

I figured that we can expand on at least two great posts (among others), namely "Groovecake" from Omaha on 4/15 at 16:34:15, and Earl from Delaware on 4/16 at 11:22:22, who both were essentially putting a final cap on the somewhat "infamous debate" of assorted "virtuoso vs. musicianship vs. songwriting, etc."

Both of these posts commented on The Voice: that is, DF's. Oh, what a great and unique voice it be.

Now... cast your vote for your absolute favorite example of Donald's awesome combination of songwriting and then making the former shine by singing it out as only HE can........

My vote is cast for: "You'd never believe it
But once there was a time
When love was in my life
I sometimes wonder
What happened to that flame
The answer's still the same
It was it was you
Tonight you're still on my mind" --
Lester, circa 1982.

Especially that last line!!! Chills up my spine!!


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 15:05:41 ET
Posted by: angel,

Suedave: Great find. The place looks a lot like the Disney Concert hall. We will hear how that one does, acoustically, in just a few months.
I wonder it Steely Dan will ever go back to their "Old School", to check it out.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 13:23:05 ET
Posted by: suedave, seattle


Are you familiar with Frank Gehry - architect famous for putting Bilbao, Spain on the map with the Guggenheim Museum? He's also done the wild & crazy Experience Music Project (EMP) building for Paul Allen in Seattle. Check out his current project - the shimmering steely Bard College Performing Arts center set against a wooded hillsize backdrop in Annandale-on-Hudson in NY. Check it out - - is it perfect or what?

Happy Sunday!


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 12:42:24 ET
Posted by: Just Me Now,

When I said that you can play it on any DVD. I should clarify that's true for 99.9% of DVD players BUT only DVD-A players give you all the features.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 12:39:13 ET
Posted by: Me & Mu, Tea for Tu

In case you missed it, it was reported a while back that Warner Bros/Reprise is releasing DVD-A and CD-A versions of major releases on the same date whenever possible to give a kick to the format. Someone pointed out more recently, that Fleetwood Mac's latest came out on DVD-A a week before the CD-A. So simultaneous DVD-A release is a given. But it would be cool if the DVD-A came out BEFORE June 10. I'd run and get a player in second. Shit, you can play it on any DVD.

When are the cassette and LP versions coming? Ha. Ha. Right.

Happy Passover and Easter, y'all.

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 10:00:37 ET
Posted by: - errata ,


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 09:59:27 ET
Posted by: ,

Ed: The Japanese site is baffled as well:

[translation] "At the first production limitation also the DVD equipped package becomes simultaneous sale. As for contents of the DVD as for details you do not understand..."

I hope that an enhanced DVD means DVD-A in steo and 5.1 + some extra stuff (video?). I have a feeling Eliot Scheiner *might* have prepared a DVD-A for simul-release. Why wait a year, when they'll do it anyway?

m.e.: That Mr. Steely Dan gets all the attention...I predict another fake Donald Fagen signature on eBay for $200 in two weeks...

Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 07:23:49 ET
Posted by: banned already?, addendum to 15:38:16 (as posted last night)


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 02:11:35 ET
Posted by: moray eel, xrt

Andy: I'd like to write a review. I'm just not sure if I can cram 50,000 words of praise into five paragraphs. Regarding the contest, the deadline for eligible entries ended on Friday. The deadline for pity entries ended sometime Saturday.

The top secret prizes can now be revealed... two front row tickets to the Tahoe show and an evening with your choice of one of the following young ladies: Naomi Watts, Ashley Judd or Halle Berry.

Mu: I find it a little odd that when we mentioned the radio broadcasts, nobody wanted to talk about it. Then some guy named "Steely Dan" mentions it and everyone is crapping their pants and flying off to L.A. I guess we are men ahead of our times.

The next question is:

"How much will the first single go for on Ebay next week?"

$50? $100? $150? $200?

On second thought, I've learned my lesson. The question is withdrawn.


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 00:55:56 ET
Posted by: Alan Shearon, Troy, Michigan

I really like your site Andy since it has stuff nobody else offers. Do you ever get flack from Steely Dan or their lawyers about some of your offerings? Or is it a kind of wink and nudge arrangement?

I'm very excited about the new one. How are people hearing it? Also want to know if anyone heard the L.A. debut yet. Do you expect an advance copy, Hoops?


Date: Sun, April 20, 2003, 00:20:54 ET
Posted by: Andy, DC

Ed- I'm working on redoing my site--everything (old) must go! It should be up by May 1 (or shortly thereafter). That's what the message means; I borrowed it from those great road construction signs that give the workers a very liberal deadline to meet (do they have those everywhere in the country or just around DC?). Anyway, keep your eyes peeled for a major renovation/face lift/improvement/abomination.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 23:47:51 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @andy's ppage


what does this mean on your page?

Traffic patterns shifting on or around May 1.


Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 22:36:55 ET
Posted by: Felonius, DC

Dan fan since time out of mind.
Here's what I'd like to know - how are people getting advance copies of EMG? I've been reading some absolutely glowing reviews. Songs that evoke Aja, Gaucho, Royal Scam, and Katy Lied. Saxaphone solos that will melt you to the core. Great Herington and McCracken guitars. Keyboards that have been missing since Katy.
If they let Herington loose, it is one of Becker & Fagen's finest creative decisions. As good as their 2000 2vN cd was, Herington was reduced to rhythm, but boy did he shine on tour!
According to press releases, Bill Charlap will appear on keyboards. My friends on the NY jazz scene tell me he's one of the most talented young pianists on the scene, with a very impressive recording collection.

Here's the kicker. The music industry, bogged down by inane boy bands, fading divas, and re-tread rappers, is starving for something of depth, substance and true creative value. Leave it to Don and Walt.

Something in my gut tells me that EMG is going to rock the music world this summer.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 22:12:36 ET
Posted by: oops, addendum to 15:38:16

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 21:45:11 ET
Posted by: help please,

what is the name of the track where gwen stefani sings with radiohead?? it's killing me.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 21:34:56 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Happy Easter

Starting to see articles from one end of the country to the other about the tour. You would think SD and the record company would start to do more advance stuff about the album - oh well.

Portland, OR:

Syracuse, NY - A fair is a veritable, smorgasboard, orgaborad after the crowds have gone! Two things, SD tickets are the most expensive of any show at the NY State fair, and second why didn't the writer also mention that SD is in the RRHF as he did with CSN. Tickets still resonable compared to some of the venues. I'm not sure if your concert ticket gets you free admission to the fair or not - lol.

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 19:02:54 ET
Posted by: mat petheny,

pat metheny - "One Quiet Night"

he covers ferry cross the mersey. due out in may!

. . I had inadvertently started on the road to doing something that had been lingering in the back of my mind for some time . . . a whole record with one single guitar, no overdubs or extra parts; to do a totally solo acoustic guitar record--in this case, on the baritone guitar.

. . . This record is about essentially one sound, basically one mood, and taking the time to go deep inside that single world.

. . . these recordings have offered a window into a way of thinking about music that I honestly found myself drawn to on that evening, a way that continues to fascinate me in the subsequent time I have spent with this guitar and tuning. Also, I have broached a subject that I had only occasionally addressed and hope to continue to pursue on occasion, possibly with different guitars--the unique and challenging world of solo guitar playing.

--Pat Metheny

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 15:38:16 ET
Posted by: tracks of godwack, my translator says

Japanese edition of EMG is slightly different...

< Principal participation musician >
Drum: Kith * J[bN
Keyboard: Ted * bay car, building * shear lap
Guitar: John * wg and hue * }bNbP

< Recording schedule tune >
* The * rust * mall
* VOX * eye * mistake * the * moth To
* Blues * beach
* God Wacker
* Slang * of * GCWY
* Green * book
* sNZ[
* Lunch * EBY * W[i
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Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 15:13:20 ET
Posted by: steely dan,

i wonder if anyone listened to the dave koz show this morning?

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 11:14:47 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Another review posted at rate your It says EMG is the best SD record since Aja. Another 5 star review. So far everyone that has reviewed EMG is going bonkers over it. This is going to be great!!

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 08:04:54 ET
Posted by: South of Hollywood, Carlsbad, CA

Hello Danimals...I have only recently stumbled upon this wonderful site and share the anxiety that all of you are experiencing over the new release and tour...I've got my seats for Paso Robles (Section 5, Row E) and am dying to find out when Costa Mesa, Tahoe and Denver go on sale...I've been to shows on the '93 Tour at Pittsburgh, NYC, Saratoga and Merriweather, the '94 Tour in Columbus and Denver, the '96 Tour in Cincinnati and Denver again, and the '02 Tour in Denver and Merriweather yet again...Enough about my biography!...When I fell in love with the Dan?...Like many I suppose, I had a friend with an older brother who was into many things that 14-year olds in 1977 weren't "up on"...An intro into mind-expansion led to the intro to D & W...I proceeded to hook all of my younger siblings on the Dan and we never get as fired up as we do upon the news of a new release and YES a TOUR!...The best Dan song ever?...Tough choice and ask me tommorrow and I'll give you a new answer but today it's "Only A Fool Would Say That"...That sublime underlying guitar track has grabbed me once again...Opening song on Opening Night of the Tour?...Let's go with "Everything You Did"...Longshot, but hey...Let's dig deep this tour...They started in that direction last tour, right?...Sorry for the short story...I've been tradin' 4's with the Jack of Speed...JC

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 07:42:55 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, back in Oregon

Sorry for double posting, I just forgot something.

Is there any way some of you luckless americans can record the singles as they start airing over there? We don't exactly have a wida array of american radio stations over here, and I've gathered that an internet broadcast will be hard to find, and I'm dying to hear anything from the new one.

And for the record, I have every intention of buying the new record and all future publications of SD or any of the implied parties. I just want it as fast as (super)humanly possible!

Mme Erzulie

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 07:03:38 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, The Caves of Altamira

Hi, all, and thanks for replies, hints and help.

Danfiend, I hear you, listening to Steely Dan now, I can't fathom how on earth this music wasn't instantly appealing to me (to be fair, some of the tunes were, but a good deal weren't as well), and I'm trying to explain it away to myself by blaming a musical maturation of some sort (I'm 21 now), or something else, I don't know, I just hope that I'll fall instantaneously in love with the new one, and that I'll just like it better and better from there.

Sorry if this all came out in a jumble.

I'll definitely buy 11TOW as soon as I can find it AND have the money. I live in middle-of-nowhere, crappy, poor-range-of-records, expensive Norway, so that can well take some time (and I don't have a credit card, so I can't buy off the net).

Andy: I'll see if I can find the time to review some SD albums. It's the kind of thing you'd really like to do, but as it's not really *that* important, speaking in big terms, combined with the fact that it takes a while to do, it's one of those things that easily gets the lower priority in a busy day or week. And I imagine many feeling the same way.

Happy Easter to all
Mme Erzulie

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 03:06:57 ET
Posted by: db,

ODP alert

FLASH: World premiere of "The Last Mall" THIS MONDAY, April 21,
on KTWV in Los Angeles (94.7 FM) during The Dave Koz Show (6-8am)

e v e r y t h i n g m u s t g o
w i l l b e r e l e a s e d J u n e 1 0 2 0 0 3

Date: Sat, April 19, 2003, 01:40:41 ET
Posted by: denton428, dav., iowa

In college in '92, had heard only the radio-friendly tunes a million
times but a certain local station played "Deacon Blues" almost every day
and I went from thinking it was a bad song to falling in love with the
actually became a little obsessed with it and got "Citizen Dan"...loved
all the "unknown" songs (unknown to ME anyway)
I play guitar a little and got SO tired of learning 3 chord pop and power-
chord heavy metal...Steely Dan walked in and blew me away! Introduced
me to jazz and another much more complex world of music.

btw, I saw KTWV had "on demand" replays of programming but they were only
15 seconds clips...not what I had in mind. Oh well, I have to wait.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 23:53:41 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @home

Do you mean "those" negatives?


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 23:12:12 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, @ home

hey jw, angel, ed (where's the negatives) beatty, b, clas...

cbat was my first album purchase

the new cover for emg reminds me of pretzel logic

i love weather report

steely dan is still not listed in mansfield, mass - so should i get tix to syracuse (is aus in this house?)

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 21:24:46 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Forgot to mention, yes, those blank files are plentiful, but as soon as they start downloading you know if it's blank. Kazaa let's you start listening right away.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 21:22:55 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

I just want to hear it. I have every intention of buying it, I just can't wait.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 21:16:30 ET
Posted by: Faithful, anytownUSA

I thought that we here who represent "the faithful" are not into "passing around" this copyrighted Dan material without paying for it, hmmm

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 20:54:43 ET
Posted by: Per-Gunnar Eriksson, Sweden

Good luck finding the songs on Kazaa or any other site dealing in that free, downloadable stuff.
It's no secret that the record companies flood the Kazaa's of this world with empty files to "fight" the whole concept of downloading without paying.

Just to prove my point I just tried "The Last Mall" and "Blues Beach" from a LAD1681, who happpened to not only have the complete Everything Must Go", but also the new Fleetwood Mac, Madonna, Linkin Park, Deftones, and so on ... PLUS a truckload of movies including the new Matrix.
The two files I tried were just silence... Anyone care to bet that ALL the rest were too?? :)

I'd suggest a better way is to stalk your local jazz station DJ and try to charm him/her out of a copy come mid- to late May. Or wait till it's actually here June 10.


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 20:16:16 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Search on EMG on Kazaa reveals user nog42 showing:

The Last Mall
Blues Beach
Slang of Ages

But it says MORE SOURCES NEEDED!!!!!!


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 19:58:42 ET
Posted by: - no reply,

m.e.: join the crowd:

Thurs, April 03, 2003,22:13:12 ET
Posted by: , I was stoned when I downloaded those EMG MP3s, I swear

When will the radio single appear and guesses as to what it will be????????????

I had predicted Pixelene - very post-cyber punk...what's Blues Beach ukeleles on the sand? or hot funk!?

Hey I saw that "the Wave" broadcasts from Culver 'bout that...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 18:29:34 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Hey m.e.--I'll take a stab at the broadcast date if you review an album, deal?

I'm stoked about these broadcasts as I'm sure everyone is. I think the thing to do in the case of the LA broadcast is have someone tape the track and then somehow distribute it among the faithful. I'll keep my ears tuned to radio here in DC for Blues Beach but the only AAA station around here is a small station in Annapolis that doesn't come in, so no promises.

Also, thought I'd let you know how my web site is coming. It looks like it will be up late next week or perhaps the week afterwards. The media archive is slowly being compiled--I've got about 150 stories in there so far. It will probably launch with about 250 and when I finally finish with it there should be about 500 stories there.

There's a lot of other cool stuff on the site, but I guess you can wait and see for yourself when it's done.

Oh--there are no album reviews on the site! So if you want to contribute one go to (Don't worry, I'm not crossing my fingers).

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 17:49:37 ET
Posted by: moray eel, last

It appears as if my "First Broadcast Contest" was about as popular as Andy's "Review a Steely Dan Album" project.

Hmm... perhaps if I would have prefaced my remarks by saying that Walter Becker is a crappy guitar player...

Anyway, looking forward to hearing "The Last Mall"...


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 17:43:30 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @amazon strolling around

Check this out.


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 17:21:28 ET
Posted by: Michelle, SF

Anyone have any guesses as to what Harvey's tix might go for? I called them and they have no idea, they said they haven't been told anything. They think they go on sale in a week.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 17:13:57 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco for another hour

So, these are the ticket price ranges for the Konocti Show.

The least expensive seats are more expensive than the great seats at Shoreline I had a couple years ago. I also gather since we haven't heard anything yet, there's no pre-sale.


79.00 $109.00 $119.00

$148.00 per person

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 17:03:48 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

Personally, I LOVE 11TOW. It's so other-side-of-the-Dan, very refreshing to hear such a different style of music. Didnt have to grow on me at all; i was hooked from the first chords of Down in the Bottom (which was fun to hear live during the '94 tour). Plus, my voice has almost the exact same range as WB's.

Also, i recall a little exchange from one of the '96 chat room interviews:

AOLer: there are 12 tracks on "11 Tracks of Whack." Which track isnt a track of whack?
WB: the track on the back.


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 16:54:26 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

The premiere of "The Last Mall" might be tomorrow instead of Monday, because I just visited the KTWV site and they said the Dave Koz show airs on Saturdays from 6-8 am.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 16:48:00 ET
Posted by: hoops,

It's from the folks at

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 16:38:27 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Hey more info-- where are you seeing the bit about Blues Beach? I don't see anything on the ODP.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 16:07:50 ET
Posted by: Q,

Yes, the cool winds are starting to blow...

and not a moment too soon!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 16:04:36 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi

. . .say it again . .


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:59:57 ET
Posted by: more info,

An additional tantalizing tit-bit from to the loving and loyal greater Dandom.

Some AAA radio stations nationwide will have "Blues Beach" sometime during next week. It's not certain when they will choose to start spinning, but folks might want to break out their radios as they might play something to make our ears and nipples prick up.

Sounds like it all it could happen, subject to programmer whims, changes, magnetic disturbances and improperly adjusted underwear. Be there.

Check out for the latest.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:57:10 ET
Posted by: KDizzle, Chi

Despite what you may have heard or read, this much is certain:

it's a great time to be alive, folks.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:48:43 ET
Posted by:, everywhere and nowhere

They don't call them *sneak* previews for nothing.

We understand that KTWV in Los Angeles 94.7 will be world-premiering "The Last Mall" THIS Monday, April 21st, sometime during The Dave Koz show which is 6am - 8am.

Not sure that KTWV has a real-time stream of its broadcast but they do have an "after the fact" on-demand stream option. Do not know at this time if they will make the track available there.


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:48:29 ET
Posted by: Q,

Sorry for double post, but -

Ed, thanks - I guess I'll be throwing popcorn at you from behind...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:46:14 ET
Posted by: Q for " u ",


You're over doing it again!

Wish I could say I've heard it!

You misconstrued my remarks - that's what that over-analyzing can do to you (and me!)

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 15:40:45 ET
Posted by: db,

came across this tonight.

''Steely Dan will be releasing a Limited
Edition version (at least in Japan) of their
new CD "Everything Must Go" that will
include a CD + bonus DVD with
interviews and new material. This was
posted on the HMV site there''

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 14:50:43 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I forgot one thing

Just in case you don't know, "Here at The Western World" can be found on Steely Dan Gold Expanded Edition. There's also a couple of Fagen tunes "True Companion" and "Century's End" on there that are real treats. I have Dallas/Sail The Waterway on a 45 rpm. I haven't heard them yet, but D&W said it is a real stinkaroo, so we're probably not missing much.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 14:42:05 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi

Mme Erzulie

I find it very intriguing that Steely Dan had to grow on you. I loved every single song the moment I heard them. I remember vividly where I heard each Steely Dan song for the first time, but I don't remember what I had for dinner last night. Really I don't. That either says a lot about the Dan or even more about me.

Anyway, regarding 11 Tracks, scrap what everybody else says. I think you're in for a treat. You have to go into this album with a mindset that it's NOT Steely Dan. Walter Becker's voice is a little less refined, but full of personality. The songs are quite personal, very passionate, and quite clever. They also contain that high-brow sort of dark humor that's at the heart of Steely Dan.

It's a study on what comprises Steely Dan as a whole. Donald brought his virtuosic knowledge of harmony, arranging, and wordsmithing. Then there's, of course, his rather distinctive vocals. Walter brought the attitude, sense of humor, and the consummate storytelling that's at the heart of 11 Tracks.

It'll definitely have to grow on you, as I've heard everyone say it had to. In my opinion, Girlfriend, Surf and/or Die, Lucky Henry, Hat Too Flat, and especially Cringemaker are the standout tracks. It's something new to listen to while waiting for EMG. I'd like to know what you think.


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 13:09:25 ET
Posted by: ,

dude: WAIT, *another* one who's heard EMG?!'ve already ID'ed yerself - now 'fess up now...more....details...

No, I don't anticipate anything overtly political or overtly anything...not their style...sound like you guys are over-analyzing my over-analysis!... LOL...that's entertainment!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 13:03:14 ET
Posted by: Peg, 'neath bloomin' apple tree in backyard

Mme Erzulie, you inspire me to remember a day back in late 1975 when, as a junior in high school, I entered the sanctum known as Jill's basement, wherein all her older college-age sister's records still remained, as did a record player. Jill takes out a record by a group with a very wierd name (to me) and on came a song called "Boston Rag." As did stuff like "Show Business Kids," "King of the World,..." I had never heard anything like it in my life. I instantly loved it. Turned out to be Countdown to Ecstasy, of course. In more ways than one. When, in 1976, Royal Scam came out, Jill called ASAP and back downstairs we went to partake. I thought I'd "died and gone to heaven," just as the lyrics say....As the years went by and I joined the New Wave punk revolution, playing in a punk band, I never even bought Gaucho...I was way too into modern for such things. Continued to do more music, heavy into jazz...but I never paid much attention to SD again until about three years ago, right before 2VN came out, when suddenly it was like reuniting with a long-lost pal. Damn, I thought, what the hell was I thinking???? I ran out and bought all the Steely Dan CDs I could find and started playing along with the songs (I play keyboard). And now I have a Latin band and still am Steely nuts. Like the wise 22-year-old noted in his post (KD) it grows on you...I'm proof that once it does you can wait several years in between listenings and still once again be quickly obsessed. Nobody else is like Steely Dan..............

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 12:36:07 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Musswellbrook

Thought I'd just chime in with my story of how I became intimate with the Dan.

It's been a short, but intense relationship. It started around Christmas '99, when a drummer friend bought me Aja (and for that, I will be eternally grateful!). I remember listening to it for the first time, the soundwaves of Black Cow hitting my eardrum for the very first time, and the feeling I got when I heard that first chord change. That was a GOOD way to be introduced to SD!

So, a few months later, I found a "best of"-compilation, and thought "great!", bought it and went home to listen to it. And I was kind of bummed. Really. I thought the non-Aja songs sounded a bit, I don't know, uninspired (looking back now, I'm blushing) and odd. But I kept on listening to it, and gradually began to like the other tracks as well. So I decided to buy another album, and naturally, it was the newly released 2VN. I really dug it, and grew more and more fond of each and every song. So then, I bought album by album until I had them all (all the SD ones, that is).

And again, this process kept repeating itself. At first, I was somewhat disappointed by CBAT, Countdown, Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied and Gaucho. The only other album that I instantly fell for was Royal Scam. However, as I kept listening to these albums, they grew on me, and suddenly (at least it felt suddenly, although it was probably more gradually) I discovered hidden (to my thick head, anyway) gems almost every song, and at present, there are only four or five songs of SD I don't adore.

Maybe it's because I'm young, or due to another reason alltogether, but my experience is that Don&Walt's music grows on you. The more you listen to it, the better it gets. And that's one of the things I love about their music.

Then I had the pleasure of getting aquainted with The Nightfly. I've recently also aquired Kamakiriad and Android Warehouse (so many great and funny songs! Fagen's sax solo on I can't function kills me!), so I guess 11TOW is what remains. I have heard less flattering things about this one, but I think the live version of Book of Liars is great, so if all the songs are that good, I'll love it. Oh, and I also haven't heard either Dallas or Here at the Western world.

Anything else I missed?

I mentioned earlier that I have a Steely Dan seasonal listening cycle, and it goes as follows:

Summer: 2VN, CBaT, Countdown, Gaucho, Aja (Aja also at X-mas)

Autumn: Royal Scam, Katy Lied

Winter: Pretzel Logic, Nightfly (also summer)

Spring: None for spring, per se. I just go from listening to the winter albums to dreaming about summer with the summer ones.

Has anyone else similar experiences regarding when they listen to SD?

concert wish set coming up

Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance
Mme Erzulie

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 12:25:06 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt,

out of all the people that got tickets to the paso show here. i think im the only one who actually lives on the central coast.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 12:06:44 ET
Posted by: W1P,

Re: Paso Robles. It's in the middle of some very nice "Central Coast" wine country. If you want to go over the top, I'll bet there are incredible (and incredibly expensive) B&B's available in the region. If you have trouble with accomodations, try San Luis Obispo (its a bit of a drive, but nice nonetheless -- so just dont drink) ;-)

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 11:53:26 ET
Posted by: any major dude, city hall


i agree with some of your thinking about EMG except that from a recording standpoint they did use studio guys, clicks, and endless over-dubs: they just used 2" tape instead of protools. granted, they may have been less obsessive about it than usual, but it's still a super-polished gem by anyone's standards, and certainly more so than anything considered reactionary. just as they pioneered digital they may be on the front end of a corporate exodus back to tape that was started by the indie rock people blowing dust off their studers a few years ago. the digital / analog debate is cyclical and both are so refined that most people can't tell the difference anyway. i think the two themes of this record are simply failure--tried & true--and the follies of pan-capitalism, american style, along with their usual stuff about chicks and debauchery. i dunno know about 9/11--they've never been political before--but there are a lot of delicious inferences to be made about consumerism & failure.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 11:42:14 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @calm before the release

I'm at 5A1 ROW F 3-5..

Cryptic stuff


Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 10:42:11 ET
Posted by: Dr. Warren Kruger, The examining room

Holy crap, ...

If you are capable of over-analyzing EMG on the basis of the CD cover and a couple of reviews and press releases, then I can't wait to see what you write when you actually hear the record.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 10:12:54 ET
Posted by: Q for " u ",

while I have great respect for your intellect, I virtually guarantee you that you are way over analyzing EMG!!!!

Such is common with Dan lyrics and themes. I have specific insight into this, so to speak.

But, as usual you give us great reading!



PS - Yes, Q's comin' to Califoria...for better or worse...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 10:00:39 ET
Posted by: ,

Jesse: No, it is not their style to directly mention 9/11....again no sledgehammer technique here. Donald and Walter always attack subjects from the most acute angles. Indeed, their "concept" albums: Royal Scam, Nightfly, Kamakiriad, TvN are loose associations at best. However, based on the titles and feel and cover, this album's apocalyptic nature in general is most certainly shaped by the post 9-11 world, and that was my point...I would assume that some but not all of the songs are permeablized by the tendrils of this view...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 09:58:28 ET
Posted by: ,

Jesse: No, it is not their style to directly mention 9/11....again no sledgehammer technique here. Donald and Walter always attck subjects from the most acute angles. Indeed, their "concept" albums: Royal Scam, Nightfly, Kamakiriad, TvN are loose associations at best. However, based on the titles and feel and cover, this album's apislyptic nature in general is most certainly shaped by the post 9-11 world, and that was my point...I would assume that some but not all of the songs are permeablized by the tendrils of this view...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 05:04:36 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

Jesse, you don't need to say 'sorry' for being a smartass. We're all smartasses here, at yr age most of us would have made the same quip. But as you grow older, you'll realize that you don't need to point out certain things. I'm a dumbass punker of 22 years of age, and I still need the help. Admit the bad joke, and move on. But keep listening to the brilliant bloody band and keep listening to their brilliant bloody fans.

Got in a cab home from the Green Mill tonight (78's of Bean's version of "Body and Soul" still on the jukebox) and got to hear "Don't Take Me Alive" on a classic rock station. Gotdamn I love it when the computers don't pick the songs.

It's still Goosebump City, kids. 6-10 ...

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 02:17:46 ET
Posted by: Jaydubz,

Q's comin' to California? NOW I"m excited!

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 02:09:50 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Just to clear one thing up, I wasn't bashing angel or anything when I pointed out that "Green Earrings" isn't on "Katy Lied". I was just confused by the story.

In regards to the last (very long!) post, I'm seeing Springsteen tomorrow in Ottawa. Wouldn't it be extremely weird if "Everything Must Go" was a post-9/11 recollection a la Springsteen's latest, "The Rising". I doubt they would ever consider doing that, given that they've never really dealt with something that serious. However, if they wanted to, I wonder if they could pull it off.

Date: Fri, April 18, 2003, 00:00:04 ET
Posted by: , back in the symbol again

Gazing at the cover now on my eMac in Qucktime double size. Here's my take which may or may not represent even a smidgeon of what Donald & Walter have in mind.

I think the cover and album represent the New Paradigm. Most folks in the formerly increasing Dilbertian fantasy land that represented the mid to late 90s through 2000 had the notion that the new millenium began in 2000. Those who know the Gregorian calendar and Stanley Kubrick understood that the Gregorian calendar began with the year 1 AD, not 0...therefore, 2001 was the first year of the new millenium...

...and in that year, coincidentally or not, the World and the mathematics of profit and the disengenuous of greed and the faux New Economy model caught up with us, and how...laying waste to structure and dreams that were in the end just a house of cards dispersed as easily as a whisper in a digital dream...However, the human and material wreckage were grim and Real... twisted metal, dust echoes of concrete and humanity chased us down the street and into a New Age, as different as each new age in Tolkien's Middle Earth...and the World again appeared as it indeed is: a tough, but frightengly beautiful place where the wolf is always at the door...

Everything that was new is gone, and that which was old is new again...for better of worse...

Also, a fractal of new paradigm is crystallized by the "new" back to basic approach that Steely Dan 2 used in molding EMG...In other words: Everything Must Go!

drum machines
studio musicians playing to "clicks"
over and over and over dubbing
revolving plans
hot licks and rhetoric

They ALL MUST GO!!!!

and in the musical universe, the Kenny G's, Yanni's, and Britney Spears' of the planet All Must Go!

So we thus see a return in a sense to the recording paradigm and purpose of Katy Lied in the Dandom annals, where they first entered as a full-fledged non-Steely band, but took a core of musicians in (Becker, Fagen, Omartian, McDonald, Porcaro, Parks, Felder, Dias, and Randall) into the studio with the same strategy as the Miiles Davis albums of the 50s...

...In a large sense, the album represents a way of dealing with not only the New Paradigm, but the fallout of 9/11. After all, D&W had just begun early recording EMG at that time...following the 9/11 tragedy, they tried to go on, but the horror and ghosts, dust, and stench of death forced a retreat back to Hawaii within a few short weeks by October. What followed were recordings that dealt with, at least psychologically the collapse of the old paradigm...and as it fell corruption at Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing were exposed, the flow of capital at the pork barrel trough shut off while both Republicans and Democrats still continued to lap it up... Whether it was at this time, D&W decided to return to analog or later I do not know, but I wonder if Things I Miss the Most is more a reflection of the New New Thing that is gone gone gone rather than an old lover...a re-expose of corruption at the nexus of the human heart. In 1999, Randy Newman wryly and ironically living the New Economy in his song "The World Isn't Fair" about Karl Marx revisiting Randy N. to find his plan in shambles;

"...If Marx were living today
He'd be rolling around in his grave
And if I had him here in my mansion on the hill
I'd tell him a story that t'would give his old heart a chill
It's something that happened to me

I'd say Karl I recently stumbled
Into a new family
With two little childrend in school
Where all little children should be
I went to the orientation
All the young mommies were there
Karl, you've never seen such a glorious sight
As these beautiful women arrayed for the night
Just like countesses, empresses, moive stars and queens
And they'd come here with men just like me
Froggish men, unpleasant to see
Were you to kiss one Karl
Nary a prince would there be

Oh Karl the world isn't fair
It isn't and never will be
They tried out your plan
It brought misery instead
If you'd seen how they worked it
You'd be glad you were dead
Just like I'm glad that I'm living in the land of the free
Where the rich just get richer
And the poor your don't ever have to see
'It would depress us Karl'
Because we care
That the world isn't fair"

Case in point: while at a conference I see the potential of human scientific and engineering endeavor, a new billion dollar monument to the idols of professional ball, and those practicing free speech against a war that is sorta over, de poor people sleeping without de shade or de light!...nary a panhandler or criminal as on the streets of Baltimore, but the physically handicapped, the mentally challenged and mentally ill...strewn blocks from restorations and fancy hotels...I gave what few piasters I could in these overbudgeted times...while watching women in cell phones shrieking at the tattered walking slowly but too closely like they're barely Alive in America...

So I think of this EMG in anticipation as a reverse Kamakiriad, a clever look at the immediate past and its ramifications told through the unique prism of the Steely subconscious...the warts and despair of America exposed...The inherent evil and folly, once glossed over in a corporate world and post-yuppie Clintonian fantasy enabling reared again, like the nightmarish skyscraper on the cover of the Royal Scam... the themes of Show Biz Kids, Charlie Freak, Any World, etc. revisited now told from their unique perspective of the new Paradigm time, age, and point of view...a thinking man's "The Rising" usual with Steely Dan, I expect more from the process and the pictures dealing with "what is left" painted than pedestrian sledgehammer themes... the cover: a shroud or wall of doom surround the mostly back and white photo where only gold/precious stone in the man, decendent of fallen kings wiping a tear with his left hand, rubbing his eyes in exhaustion or in acceptance of his fate? The precious rings and stones in a suitcase is kind of a metaphor for the once powerful Ken Lay no longer using their suitcases for transport of important papers (like plans to count foreign plant aquisitions and employees' stock options and 401ks as "profit."

...But in the end, and I have a feeling especially from the reviews that the album also addresses the opportunity of a new beginning, to set things right...despite despair, some teachouse on the tracks may be wating for us after all... no longer live in a place where, to borrow from Randy Newman again,

"of all of the people
that I used to know
Most never adjusted
to the great big world

I see them lurking in book stores
working for the public radio
carrying their babies in a sack on their back
moving careful and slow...

...all of these people
are much brighter than I
In any fair system
they would flourish and thrive
But they barely survive
They eke out a living
and they barely survive"

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 22:21:58 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA


Ed - what section are your Paso Robles tix in?
just curious - I just got mine and they are section 5 A1 Row H seat 10 (6 being the center floor section).

I got through on the line at 8:09am that day.


Can't wait to smoke some cow patties(sp?) at the Fair

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 21:47:21 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga

Any guy here can back me up...

Maybe not the first time you fell in love, but the first time you said something to the girl you were in love with. That moment before you admit what it is you feel. Not knowing if the moment will live up to expectations or if everything will be as you've planned thought and hoped it will be. That build up...

Only it's not a girl, it's an album called Everything Must Go.

All of these reviews are driving me insane. I want to hear this so bad I can almost taste it. I had a dream about buying the album, and just as I put it in the cd player I woke up. The days pass so slowly when you're looking at Tuesday June 10th on the calender.

I need to talk Steely Dan. Every cd customer in the Chattanooga area has been advised to reserve a copy of EMG now and come in as early as possible on June 10th to listen ASAP. I'm taking the day off, heading to work at the crack of dawn, and plan to be in the car listening at 10:01. Of course, the evil Wal-Mart is open at midnight, so I may have to get two copies to sate the thirst.

Who knows...someone email me and say something about Steely Dan!


Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 20:51:53 ET
Posted by: angel,

Oops, my apologies. Don't be sick when you post. Royal Scam it is.

Finally found somewhere to stay in Paso Robles. Tough to get reservations, because of the Fair going on. If you are attending, make your reservations early.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 17:57:32 ET
Posted by: , case in point

Hear that? Limit your travels, Torontotonian!
Not to make light of your plight or anything.
Take care.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 17:49:47 ET
Posted by: blazeroon blue beret, @@@chooo!!!

Duncan, it's alright. I'll handle it. pfft
By the way, "Blaisie Butterfield", think about it. It's a smashing baby name, isn't it? It is.

Sure Jesse, you don't have SARS just YET. But chances are that, by August, you guys in Cow Town will be dropping like flies all over. It's in the realm of possibility. I would even venture that it's most probable, the way it's going.
And if you're coming to Montreal, don't bring that shit with you, alright? Wash your hands thoroughly first, at least. Come on now, scrub scrub.

Seriously now...
Imagine nothing less than the main event for Steely Dan. I'm talking outdoors in front of la Place Des Arts, smack downtown. I'm talking over 100000 people, big money upfront, priceless exposure, the works.

I guess I'll keep talking.
But while it may be too late for this time around, there's always next year, right? Right...
Second wind, second leg, second chance and what have you.
While there's life, there's hope and all that shit, so they say.
That's why I want the Boys to survive another year by avoiding sensitive areas along the way. You see, unlike their management team, I'm looking out for their best interest here, not merely my own.
But wouldn't that be a hoot?
Wiggy is da word.

aww... forget it.
Enjoy the show.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 16:51:00 ET
Posted by: db,

''don't worry be happy''
Blaise is having a laugh

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 16:33:03 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

b not froggie, I know you are just bashing Toronto out of jealousy (hahaha!), but really, saying that they will get SARS if they come to Toronto is like saying they will get the West Nile Virus if they play in the US. I go out just about every night, and the only precaution I've taken is making sure I wash my hands before I eat, and I don't have SARS, as well as every single person I know. It's only a few hundred people out of 4 million that have SARS.

However, you are right that it would be cool to see them headline the Montreal Jazz Fest. Where do you think they'd play? I don't believe the Molson/Bell Centre is a Jazz Fest venue. Maybe Place des Arts. I can't wait until they announce the lineup. I don't know if I want to go the first week and miss the last 4 days of Toronto's Jazz Fest, or go the second week. From what has been announced (which is very little), it looks like the first week (Wayne Shorter, Joe Zawinul, Roy Hargrove, Dave Holland, Bobby McFerrin, Charlie Haden/Michael Brecker) is going to be better than the second week.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 16:08:39 ET
Posted by: sharkD,

from DDalton's review:

In fact if somebody told me these were Katy Lied or Gaucho outakes, I'd believe it.

does the bear got you...?

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 14:23:18 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work.bored

The real beginning into the Dan was back in '85. 16 years old working part-time at Hardee's. The night manager was going through a divorce at the time. I happend to have my greatest hits double cassette with me one night and he insisted on playing Haitian Divorce like 30 times. Around play number 12 IT happened. Every listen after that went a little deeper and I heard a little more. I got that tape about 3 years prior to that for Josie and Reelin' and not much more. I actually only got rid of it a year or so ago, all the words were rubbed off and the tape had been worn almost clear.
About '89 a bud and I were at Summerfest sitting and playing cribbage waiting for Robert Cray to come on and whoever was in charge at the board must have been a Dan Fan 'cause that's all that was played for the 2 hours or so until Cray started. He and I were soon complete fanatics about them after that. We've seen them on every tour including NYR&SR in '92 with Walter playing on 3 or 4 songs and we co-hosted the Milwaukee show of the Trifecta in 2K.
I've discovered some awesome music through all of this also, Monk, Davis, Coltrane, Ellington, Brubeck, etc.



Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 14:06:10 ET
Posted by: ,

Jesse, Angel said the first album she bought was Katy Lied but the first song that made an impression was Green Earrings, spurring her on to buy Scam so she could have Green Earrings. Give some people some room or they will be afraid to post, lest they get picked apart. Then we all lose.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 14:02:21 ET
Posted by: b not froggie, put the steely dan where your mouth is, they say

tickets for Steely Dan in Syracuse are only 40$. And State Fairs seems to be the way to go for many musical acts this summer.

Now about that Toronto date...
As you may know by now, Toronto has a bad case of SARS. So someone please explain to me why the band has avoided Montreal like the plague for over thirty years, when Toronto is really the sick puppy among Canadian cities. It's quite puzzling a move there. And that's not even taking into consideration the fact that Toronto is boring as hell.
Now if that's not enough for second leg consideration, I don't know what is. But go ahead, go to Toronto again, get real sick, and possibly die a horrendous death, if that's your thing. But we'd rather you wouldn't 'cause well... we care and we know it's very dangerous out there right now. You may even have to perform wearing one of those awful surgical masks by the time August rolls around. There is no reason to take "Everything Must Go" so litterally, you know...
Ever thought of headlining the Montreal Jazzfest? I could see that.
Think about it. Take the healthy route, my friends, and enjoy the sights of this beautiful, clean, chick-laden, European-flavored town of mine.
Choose life and enjoy it. Come to Montreal already, dammit.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 13:21:32 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

You liked "Green Earrings" on your copy of "Katy Lied"?

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 12:51:04 ET
Posted by: angel,

For me, the first tune I heard was Rikki during our drive across the country in '74. But the first album I bought was Katy Lied and the song that made the most enduring impression was Green Earrings. I loved everything about it and then bought Royal Scam, the following year. No regrets, their stuff is great. :-)

JW: Hey back at ya. Still looking for some room at the inn, in the Paso Robles area. While on that subject, do you think Donald and Walter will spend the night at the Madonna Inn? What a funny thought. For any who don't know of it, each room is a totally different experience. Running the gambit from "Cave" to "Log Cabin" to "Opulent". An experience not to be missed, according to those who have been there.

My feelings on those reviews. Yes, they may be legit, but they also don't tell us much more then we already know. So it is possible that they are made up. Fun to read though.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 12:25:27 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago


For me it was going over to my drummer's house after a gig. At about 4:00 in the morning he put on Royal Scam, I was 17 at the time (brought up too fast?) and it just floored me! Carlton's incendiary touch and tone, Purdies fat grooves and just that whole album. After that, I would sit in my bedroom and learn all the tunes, solos, etc. I was hooked. To this day that is my favorite album, and you don't hear those songs in too many grocery stores. It's like our own little secret!

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 11:39:15 ET
Posted by: Frogie, Paris (NOT)

Oh come on Hoop's. All you need is some kind of langue translation program for your computer and out pops the French. But I guess I'm still impressed.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 11:08:54 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Les branchies si vous avez besoin de l'aide avec l'accueil ou la prparation de votre site, s'il vous plat faites-moi savoir. Je serai heureux d'aider de n'importe quelle faon avec l'espace de web, etc.

Ma grand-mre est franaise. Mais mon franais est pouvantable. Je regrets!


Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 09:54:49 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

ahhh, the origins of one's there no sweeter memory?

That's an interesting story, Danfiend. So it's D-Blues for you, eh?

My story is quite similar, only substitute "Hey 19" for Deacon Blues and "17" for 13. But the immediate physical ramifications are the same. 'Course it wasnt until years later that i actually figured out what th Dan is really all about, and that was the real epiphany ...


Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 06:15:46 ET
Posted by: G., Sun Mountain

Hey Jaydubzzz :-)
Took the liberty of sending the addy you left in Blue to the Swede, who's now up in an airplane on his way to Barcelona, should be hovering over dutch space in a couple of hours for a couple of minutes, i'll look up to the skies and grin :-)

About the EMG cover ... can't help but think of Night Fly, the stilled image of that album and EMG strike me as ......, have no reasons for it, sometimes there's just a feeling and nothing else :-)

KD in here ... a new album will bring "back" lots of familiar names into the guestbooks&forums, so that should be something to smile for as well!

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 05:11:27 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Just a thrill away from punching through to the cosmic wow



Oh my God, this sounds too good to be true! Vintage Steely Dan!! Dare we hope for some *old school* rock tunes? I know it wouldn't hurt with a new Rikki or Reelin, a New School or FM, Bodhisattva or Black Friday, King of the World.

God knows I love everything they do (well, very nearly), but while they've continued to make funky, jazzy, poppy and even countryish tunes, the excellent rock they can also conjure has been conspicuously absent.

Aargh, I'm beating myself over the head with a stick these days. I made the fatal error of lending away my Aja and 2VN albums (I have a very intricate listening cycle, and at the time, neither of those albums were "on the shcedule"). Now I desperately want them back (at least the 2VN (Aja is a bit more X-massy for me(don't know why)), but the schmuck has gone on easter holiday. Is it just me, or is 2VN the absolute BEST album EVER for the hottest summer days, when all you're capable of doing is find a hammock somewhere in the shadow of a (banyan) tree and lay down with a pitcher of limonade (and 2VN in your ear)?

Anyway, apart from this, I'm actually, in a sick, distorted way, reveling in the wait for the new one. I got this great feeling that this is another "summer album" (I categorize SD albums by seasons, again, don't know why), and that D&W wisely wait to drop it 'till the time's just right.

I'm so excited I can barely cope, but it's such a bittersweet pain, aahhh...

And they've GOT TO tour Europe as well!!!! Please!!!

Mme Erzulie

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 03:50:47 ET
Posted by: Clas,

JW Malibu - could you please email me? I get back to civilization after the Easter holidays.

I don't have your address. You'll find mine at the frontpage of the Yellow, at the Steely Knives MP3's.

Sorry for nagging, but I am gonna gather all these crazy people, and I know it's gonna take some time.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 03:23:47 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

Now THIS is why I started reading/posting in these guestbooks some four years ago!

Goosebump City, kids, Goosebump City.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 02:25:05 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

June 10th truly is an eternity away. I'm desperately waiting for May 6th, when the lineup for the Montreal Jazz Festival will be announced, and that's still one more than an entire month before the new album comes out. In one year, when we are once again years away from anything new, we will envy these times when we were so close. Still, I'd rather have the record in my hands right now.

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 02:12:25 ET
Posted by: Boissier Gilles, ARLES - FRANCE

Ceci est un message pour les visiteurs franais ou francophones du site ;L'absence cruelle d'un Lien en Franais pour les fans de DON/WALT commence se faire sentir dans notre chre patrie.
Je suis la recherche de partenaires musiciens ou mlomanes,les dous en informatique, amateurs de S/D musiques et tangencielles pour crer un lien ou un site, et en appelle aux bonnes volonts me rejoindre dans ce but. alors @+ " everythig must go.."

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 02:00:58 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

You're right! The review by DDalton was sick! A cut out these two quotes from his review and will tape them to my cd player. COME ON JUNE!!!

"The grooves are so infectious, you'd have to tie yourself down to keep from moving"

"This one is up there with the best stuff the Dan has ever done.... maybe even better"

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 01:50:22 ET
Posted by: Jaydubz, Hollywood & Vine

Hiya' Hoops & Co!

Just wanted to pop in and join in on the excitement of "The New One!" From the advance reviews, it sounds like we're in for an quite an aural treat! Got my tix for the Central California show, which works out old business partner lives in San Miguel, and I needed to go up that way this summer anyway to have him lay drum tracks down on some of my home-brewed schmaltz, and maybe catch a few Central Coast waves. Anyone else planning on hitting that show?

Shouts to: Andy, Angel, Aussie, Clas, DrJ, Ed, Fezo, Gina, Hank Silvers, Hoops, Howard, KD, jk, LP, Mu, Ole (how's my favorite skate mom?), Peg, Q, StAl, Tones, W1P & YGK...


Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 00:14:55 ET
Posted by: Andy, Quick thought

Has anyone seen a review of the new album that's been anything less than raving? I get the feeling that we're in for something special...

Date: Thurs, April 17, 2003, 00:10:55 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

EMG Rap:


How are these people getting this damn cd?!
Every review is making me fiend for EMG.
June 10th seems like eternity.

Donald, Walter it's beyond me
Why be so cruel to your following
4/22 is better than 6/10
What's the difference between now and then?

You don't have to release EMG
Put me outta my misery

DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:52:37 ET
Posted by: angel,

Hey Ed, I got them too! Not bad at all, I think. BTW, did yours get shipped with a paper clip enclosed in the envelope?

My guess on the different colors for the 3 letters. Going along with the theme of Yellow for St. Al's place and Blue for Hoops, then all three letters are in both those names. H and O for Hoops and S for St. Al.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:45:46 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Can't stand it!!!!

Now I'm really drooling! I don't know who DDalton or ndrysdale are but I really hate them! Hey, Don and Walt let's push the release date up to next Tuesday! Soon your fans will be the only ones who will have not heard the CD!!!

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:45:29 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I just had the best, coolest Passover seder ever. I was looking through the host's vinyl collection, and was happy to see among mostly Israeli singers, and belly dancing records, Steely Dan's greatest hits. After I told them they were my favourite band, I was extremely surprised when they suggested I put it on. So, while the seder was going on, we were grooving to "My Old School" and "Rikki Don't Lose That Number". And it's funny because it wasn't just young people. There were several old people, including some Holocaust survivors there. I would have thought that it would be sacreligious to play Steely Dan during a sacred ceremony, but they were all fine with it.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:37:57 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I had heard "Reelin' In The Years" on the radio and loved the guitar solo, but had never been motivated enough to buy an album. For me, it was watching the classic albums on "Aja". The next day, I saw the record in a garage sale, picked it up, loved it. Then I bought "Two Against Nature", then "Citizen Steely Dan", and since then I have been waiting impatiently for them to tour.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:27:50 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey Everybody

What is it about a new Steely Dan album and tour that makes the sky a little bluer, the grass a little greener, and life just a whole lot better? In exciting times like this, I always think back to what made me become a Steely Dan fan in the first place. That's the question I want to pose to everyone. Every Dan fan has had this epiphany--the moment they knew they loved Steely Dan. What was it?

With me, even though I had always heard Steely Dan, when I was 13, I came home from school and thought I'd have the house to myself. I came around the back of our house and heard music from the outside. Right then I knew my mom was home early. I was pissed. I turned the key and came in. She bought a copy of "Aja" that day. As soon as I closed the door behind me, Deacon Blues came on, nothing else mattered. I was paralyzed. I couldn't speak, couldn't move, couldn't breathe. I had never heard anything like that in my life. The rest is history.

When did you guys know ?

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 23:22:37 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Just a thrill away...

Just another observation on the cover photo. In addition to some of watch faces being in color; all of STEELY is that same color and also the 'h', in Everything; the 's' in Must; and the 'o' in Go. I've now created quite the headache trying to piece something together here. Anyone? Or am I trying to make something out of Everything?


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 21:57:46 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Are you game?

Alright, now we have a couple of legit reviews and the cover art.

The collective heartbeat of the Bluebook is quickening...

Does anyone care to guess WHAT the first "featured song" will be? WHERE and WHEN the first "official" broadcast takes place?

For example: For Two Against Nature the first "offical" broadcast was the "COUSIN DUPREE" single on KFOG during CHRISTMASTIME in 1999.

For the purposes of this "gentlemen's contest" soundclips on the web, bootleg tapes, CD's or mp3's off WinMX, etc. don't count.

Alright, here are my guesses...

1. The featured track will be The Last Mall.

2. It will first appear on KMTT in Seattle.

3. On April 29th.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 21:09:27 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @the mailbox

I can claim as of right now today.
That I am the proud possesor of the first SD Concert tickets of the

Right here in my hot little hands,PASO ROBLES
By the way I got what I asked for as seating,its listed on the website
as concert floor and I got it.
Very good seats I do believe.

Hoops, Chicago is in my near future,details to follow


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 19:58:24 ET
Posted by: hoops, again

Regarding the bootlegs discussion:
Bootlegs were one of the first threads on the bluebook.

Clearly, the record companies's lawyers are going after people with boots. Then again, I know when I had a modest and teeny part in the re-releases of some classic CDs. In deciding what the bonus tracks should be, the big record company only consulted with those who were intimately familiar with these artists' unreleased, bootleg items. (Needless to say, I'm not referring to Steely Dan reissues.) And then of course, there is the statistics that show bootlegs often stimulate fans to buying more official releases.

So as you point out "I Keep Forgetting," there's this mixed message on this thing, kinda "Don't ask, don't tell." Not sure what to say about who has what boots offered at their sites or how and why, but that doesn't happen here, although I believe 'the help a friend by making a copy of "PJ" limbos in under the line for home taping.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 19:18:31 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Good question!

Exactly my reaction. A kind of "Fall of 92" lyric.

Several of you:
Cool posts about the new album cover.

I agree that it reminds me a bit at first glance of "Pretzel Logic" but wait until we see a close up for further judgement. Based on the other image at, I'd say db is right that it is Danny Clinch. Good observation about the watches Mr Rag. Wonder what time is on the watches, what kind ,etc. I still think the two shadows on 2vN were suggesting a circumcised and uncircumsized phallic objects.

Good point.

In fact, the Fleetwood Mac DVD-A has been out since last week at least, but I think the CD was just released yesterday. If EMG was released on DVD-A before 6/10 then there would surely be a lot more SD fans getting DVD-A players. Thanks for the links and reviews.

Thanks for the review and headsup on the album art.

I don't think most of these venues are too shabby, just not Clear Channel venues.

The only CD I'd like to have is EMG.

ICE newsletter said perhaps later this month, but I think and are the best sources for the release info.

more laters.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 19:15:25 ET
Posted by: Mock Turtle,

Nice lyrics -- sounds like a Fall of '92 vibe.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 18:59:58 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, anticipation

so WHO's playin bass this tour?

Becker, Barney, ???

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 17:51:24 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Thanks For the Amazon Link that shows the new cover .

Not a particularly GREAT shot , but a Hell of a lot better than the " Royal Scam " Pic .

Then again , let's face it , ANYTHING is better than THAT shot .
Dullest album cover pic of all time ...........................


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 17:01:03 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Thanks for posting those lyric excerpts. They have somehow calmed my angst. I think I can now survive until June 10th.

I have just exhaled!


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 16:35:28 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

D & W have always let current events color their lyrics and music, i would this would be no exception. i look forward to a jaded, ultrahip perspective on the world today as opposed to the steady stream of fearmongering and short-term hype that our corrupt, corporate-owned media feeds a perpetually scared and stupid population.

rant mode off.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 16:25:43 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

If I'm reading the audio story I just posted correctly ( ) then EMG is either already mixed in surround or pretty damn close. Anyone think we'll see a concurrent release of CD and DVD-A. I think hoops said that Fleetwood Mac (also on Warners) did that recently with their new record. More good news to pique our excitement...

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 16:20:47 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Found some various EMG reviews and comments on the internet this afternoon:

From Rock's

Steely Dan: 'Things I Miss The Most', from Everything Must Go (Reprise, June)
Yeah, I know the release is a way off, but I can't resist clueing you in on this wonderfully droll slice of self-pity from Don'n'Walt. "I kind of like fryin' up my sad cuisine," Fagen sings of life post-breakup, "and getting' in bed and curlin' up with a girlie magazine." But he misses "the good copper pan" and "the house on the Vineyard". Yup, it's the Yuppie Blues, folks! Musically, imagine a lost outtake from The Nightfly, for it's almost that good and certainly as funny as Two Against Nature's 'Cousin Dupree'. Watch out for an RBP Becker/Fagen Q&A coming your way soon.
--Barney Hoskyns

From an audio writer:

OK, continuing on a slightly less earth-shaking level: the very best sounding track Mr. Scheiner demo'ed all evening (and the competition was fierce, to say the least!), was a track from a new Steely Dan album, due for release May 6. At a guess, I'd say the track is called "Green Book." The audio magic was nothing short of breath-taking, with striking-yet-tasteful surround hooks from start to finish - and it struck me as vintage Steely Dan, as well. (

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 16:07:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt,

that is rogers hand. he said so himself on his forum.

although i dont know where it is posted

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 14:31:13 ET
Posted by: db,

Album ''cover'' looks like the work of Danny Clinch also.
hmmmmm 2 gold faces
take's me back to zeohippus 77

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 13:10:38 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, EMG Cover

I also like the cover very much. If you blow the picture up a bit, you'll notice that even though the picture is black and white, a couple of the watches appear to be in gold color. Kind of like the back cover of CTE. That phantom hand with the gold watch on CTE was rumoured to be Roger Nichols. Hmmmmmm....the boys abandoned the digital world that Roger has guided them through. Could that be a warped way of saying Roger's engineering must go too?? (I know he was still involved with this recording, as always).

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 12:40:11 ET
Posted by: Mock Turtle,

I myself love the cover, much more than the 2VN one (what was the deal with the smudged grass?) It's pretty sweet the way he's covering his face while at the same time displaying his glittering wares (Ken Lay, anyone?). How there's something shameful in certain forms of capitalism. How, with the corporation, these engines of commerce are being run by faceless, anonymous execs. And of course, the way they tend to hide when light is shined on them. (What is it with repubs and this bizarre tendency to hole up in a corner when they see their own shadow - I doubt Lieberman would have been MIA for all this time after 9/11 like Cheney has been. What a %^&* cowardly rat. I guess it has to do with the link between the drive to make obscene amounts of money and an irrational fear of the unknown. Like the little cartoon in "Bowling for Columbine," with all the shivering pilgrims. Totally, totally true.)

Damn, I wanted to buy that big 'E' when it was auctioned off....

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 12:37:52 ET
Posted by: Clas, Springfield, Mass

Jesse - good points there.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 12:36:12 ET
Posted by: 2 Much Coffee,

Thanks, Earl. Now I get it. You're the voice of reason.

Speaking of Earl's voice of reason and the new album cover, both remind me of Pretzel Logic. The cover is as good as Pretzel Logic, but not as good as the cover of Aja which is a higher level of succinct taste and suggestiveness. The cover to Citizen Steely Dan was pretty lame and The Royal Scam cover was lame-o too.

I read somewhere that Roger Nichol's daughter posed as an underage hooker for Can't Buy A Thrill before the cover was nixed. What's the deal with Roger Nichols, John Denver, the Carpenters and Steely Dan? Is it true that Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds is now a law firm?

Baby, Baby fallin' love, I'm fallin' love again.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 12:20:58 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Coffee: When you come down, reread his post. I think his meaning is crystal clear.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 11:57:12 ET
Posted by: i've had too much coffee,

i've had too much coffee, but let me get this straight.

if the emg review was engaging enough for randy to post, how can the site be unengaging? conversely---and i mean that in a sorta super-caffeinated way--why would anyone post a review from an unengaging site?

i get it. irony. right.

nevertheless, fun review.

as my name points out,

i've had too much coffee

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 11:22:22 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Thank God for the cover being released. Something else other than Jesse's belief that Fagen can't play piano. It is very reminiscent of the promo photos taken after 2VN was released. Dark, very dark, which is so fitting for what I expect this album to be. I think of 2VN as their making up party, now they're ready to get back to bashing the things they don't like (whether I agree w/ those or not, the music is better IMO when they take it to heart).

And one last comment to Jesse: not everyone can be a virtuoso. I think Fagen has adopted a style, and that is mainly comping for the rest of the band to be able to solo. His solo instrument is his voice, and to compare him to a piano virtuoso does neither much good in my opinion. If I were to compare him to the male vocalists of our time, I think he's in the top 3 if not the best. If you were to compare him to a guy like Stevie Wonder (who tends to be a more comparable talent), I could buy that. Then throw in his songwriting abilities (the Nightfly has some awesome tunes) and his arranging skills and he is a pretty awesome musician.


Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 11:00:32 ET
Posted by: arteest, formerly known as whoever the f***

re: EMG cover art.

Hmmm... a street vendor evokes shades of Pretzel Logic. yum
And now it appears that this strange, curled up grey matter we've been treated to for months on the ODP main page was really part of a building's ornament standing behind said vendor. Who knew?
Darker, it's darker in tone. Unlike the sunny day on the golf course feel of 2VN's, it's a post-nine eleven feel conveyed here, appropriately. But you knew that...
Funny to see everything must go on amazon, with the usual percentage off the list price advert. Sort of a fitting title in that context, I gotta say.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 09:39:01 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA


The review of 'Everything Must Go' that I posted to the "Sign In Stranger Guestbook" was just something I found while perusing around on the net (I didn't post it here because I was in a rare hurry); it was clearly a fan review but I thought some people might be interested; I don't remember the site as it wasn't particularly engaging-

Randy /

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 08:45:49 ET
Posted by: whale,

My sources agree.

Swiss intel is correct.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 08:44:40 ET
Posted by: whale,

And there are people who blow St. Al and Andy away in the boootleg dept.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 07:47:17 ET
Posted by: swiss intel, confirmed

that IS the cd cover, sources say.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 04:33:19 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, yellow peril

Hi, all. Glad to see the whole Jarret thing turning out peacefully.

About the album cover, I don't know if I'm buying it, it looks a bit too... emotional? I mean, the way the guy's slapping his hand to his forehead, it kinda gives away too much, I think. If you look at the other pictorial SD covers, take Pretzel Logic, for instance, the photo is, how do you say it, not quite ambiguous, more vague, or to use the guys own words, undecided. I mean, it's not a definite cheerful or happy picture, neither is it a sad, tormented or heartbreaking one. It kinda leaves you wondering. Not so much with this one, I think.

I don't know, there's just something about it (the EMG one) that doesn't look quite right to me (but then, what do I know? I'm probably the youngest cat around apart from Jesse). To be honest, I was hoping for a more "artsy" cover.

That review sent my heart soaring once more. However, my exuberance was quickly muffled by the presumably older, wiser and less fidgety regulars of this guestbook, with their scepticism and questioning of the truth content of this review. So now I'm (comparatively) down. If anyone can confirm whether this is an authentic or a false review, please let us(me) know.

If not, Let George Do It
Mme Erzulie

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 01:53:44 ET
Posted by: n,

Also, if SD is playing the Orange County Fair, that probably means the Pacific Amphitheatre, which isn't exactly slumming.

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 01:40:24 ET
Posted by: norm chomp-ski,

Hey, speaking of music...

Chris Potter appears with Dave Holland's group on April 19 in Cerritos (L.A. County) - for details

Date: Wed, April 16, 2003, 01:22:08 ET
Posted by: Columbo,

Let's see....Randy posted the album cover picture. This might very well mean that Randy has the album. Now, the review sounds like a novice review written by a fan trying to sound like a music critic. My guess is that Randy wrote the review!

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 23:52:52 ET
Posted by: EMG,

Moray eel: You would have to ask Randy, I believe he originally posted it to the yellow. I question the authenticity myself. It sounds more like a fan wrote it, and they just happened to give it the same ****1/2 rating the other review gave.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 23:18:46 ET
Posted by: moray eel, from?

EMG: Do we know the source of that review?

Randy: Cool cover. The tone of the photograph reminds me of the Pretzel Logic cover.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 21:59:59 ET
Posted by: EMG Review!,

"Steely Dan / Everything Must Go: ****1/2

This is something else - proof that occasionally, you can go back to the future and create something timeless. I liked 'Two Against Nature,' but thought it was a bit precise, efficient, soulless. But 'Everything Must Go' is better, and for anybody who remembers the Dan first time round, the title track is a gorgeous epiphany of cool, with a stunning, break-you-heart sax solo at the end. Actually, there's a bit of everything here - pithy, witty lyrics, slabs of neo-funk, twists and turns and tempo changes from pop to jazz, rock and blues. If this isn't huge in the summer, and songs like "The Last Mall", the title track and "Lunch With Gina" aren't all over the airwaves, then Becker and Fagen are entitled to feel aggrieved. Probably, by this time next month, it will be worth five stars. Check it out. Hell no, just buy it in June."

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 21:40:45 ET
Posted by: Tantrum O'Neil,

I love the "alleged" album cover. Where did you find it? Do you have the music as well?

If "Godwhacker" doesn't sound apocolyptic, then I don't know what does.

Who's this Bruce guy? Clas in pleats?


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 20:50:15 ET
Posted by: Yeah,

Randy, that must be it. Looks like Annalisa did the shot. Reminds me of that photo of Donald and Walter from last tour where Donald was looking down and Walter was looking back towards him. Wonder if this will be a t-shirt too.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 20:04:38 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA


I was saving this for a later date, as the site does not yet have a fraction of my works up yet, but if you go to the following address you can see the alleged cover for the new Steely Dan album, 'Everything Must Go':

Randy /

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 19:42:16 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chicago

Thanks Hoops

For removing that garbage I posted. Not one of my most flattering moments. It won't happen twice.

Jesse, no need to worry about anything that post said. It was out of anger, I didn't mean a word of it! I wish you the absolute best in all yor endeavors and may they bring you happiness, success, and fulfillment! This I do mean!

It's about the Dan, right?! Back to it. . .

We think that EMG has a setting reminiscent of Rod Serling's Twilight Zone Classic "Where Is Everybody." All the titles suggest a post-apocolyptic, Book of Revelations, type of existence. It sort of reverts back to "King Of The World." I see a lone protagonist staggering around incredulous at the sight of the "Last Mall," thinking about "Things I Miss The Most, " remembering "Lunch With Gina," and longing for his home town, "Pixeleen." It's a little hard to tie the other songs into this paradigm but it sure helps pass the time.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 19:23:59 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Thank you Hoops. I hope it didn't cost too much. How would you like a free (burned) CD? E-mail me, and tell me what you like, and I'll burn something from my collection for you, no charge. Do you have either of Wayne Shorter's most recent CDs? If not, then I'll make one for you, as EVERYBODY should have these CDs.

And Bruce Pleat, man, get a life. I'm supposed to be the immature hot-headed teenager. I'm supposed to be the one who resorts to mean, nasty tactics such as fraud. Not a grown man like yourself.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 18:24:41 ET
Posted by: hoops, this just in

I don't normally do this because it costs some me some money, but I emailed my webhosting service's Security and Abuse Department about someone posting as Jesse.

According to them, "Bruce Pleat" at 12:37 & 14:06 (dissing Jesse) and the two posts by "Jesse" at 14:25 & 15:57 and are actually the same person. There's some other details but I'll leave it at that.

I'm going to leave the posts up, Jesse, and put a note after them. Sorry about the misunderstanding.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 18:22:18 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Not trying to start shit up again, but just to clear one very insignificant thing up, danfiend, I don't plan on achieving anything like Donald's success. I would much rather make a record like Wayne Shorter's "Footprints Live" which apparently only sold 30,000 copies than be a millionaire and go musically unfulfilled. I'm not saying that Donald is musically unfulfilled, but I think that for a trumpet player, or really almost any instrumentalist, to become popular and sell millions of records, they would have to play chessy smooth jazz, and that is certainly not on my agenda. Rick Braun did it, as well as Chris Botti. I know for a fact that Chris Botti hates smooth jazz, and he only plays it so he can give his kids a good life. Once he reaches a certain financial goal, he is going to stop playing smooth jazz and just play bebop the rest of his life. A friend of mine talked to him, and that's what he said.

Of course there are some exceptions. Carlos Santana has made some decent records and tons of money at the same time. Good fusion bands in the 70's like Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, and Return To Forever were apparently insanely popular, even on the pop charts, yet they made some of the absolute best music ever made. Pat Metheny does it. Anyway, that's just how I feel.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 18:12:31 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Thank you Hoops. I appreciate it.

I am convinced that "Everything Must Go" will have a "Goodbye Look" feel to it. "Pixeleen" will sort of be like "Teahouse On The Tracks" and "Gaslighting Abbie". Man, just looking at these weird song titles, I have no idea.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:50:04 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


I wrote that last post directly after Jesse's last post but my computer took a half-hour or so to post it. Frankly, I'm done! I've let it go. I let myself get pissed off when seeing all these posts devoted to this BS, but no more! SORRY EVERYBODY! Not another word on the topic from me! You want to respond, Jesse, e-mail me personally!

New topic: My best friend and I were having a blast trying to guess what the songs on EMG sound like and what the lyrics are based on the song titles. What do you think?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:49:16 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I just thought of something freaky. As I was falling asleep this afternoon, I was listening to "The Nightfly". "The Goodbye Look" was playing, and I looked over at my clock, and it was 2:25!! That's pretty freaky.

From Jesse

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:49:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,


I will take the bogus posts down.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:44:42 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Well-put "Huh"


For someone who doesn't "give a damn" what Jesse writes, you sure let him push your buttons. I ignore people who I don't give a damn about, especially when someone else pretty effectively already told him to cool it. Post like that now are just bustin' the gig.

Sometimes it's better to write something and send it off in a letter to yourself.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:44:41 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

OK. Everybody calm down, as there is some seriously fucked up shit going on. I have been sleeping for the last three and a half hours, I wake up, and find out that there are two posts from "Jesse" that I never wrote, and then I find an e-mail from Hoops telling me to get off the board. I did not write the last two posts. The last one I wrote was at 1:47 p.m. eastern time.

Just think about it really. I have never personally attacked anyone. For me to say to Hoops, "You don't make any sense either. Stay out of it," is very much not like me. Why? Because I didn't say it. I have never told anyone that they should stay out of any conversation, and I especially wouldn't do it to the person who runs the goddamn message board!

The second post that I didn't make (at 3:57 p.m.) was extremely conceited. I would never, ever say anything like "my more-sophisticated-than-usual musical taste".

Since there is no way to stop anybody from posting as Jesse, and using my e-mail (some message boards use passwords, and now I can see why), then this may never stop.


Does anyone know if there's a way to figure out if certain posts came from different computers?

Geez, I say something controversial, and someone has to be an immature baby, and start posting under my name so I'll get kicked off the board.

I hope everyone believes me, and to the person that posted twice under my name, please grow up. If you can't take just a little bit of controversy, then don't commit fraud.

I have made an e-mail to Hoops that is similar to this post so I can prove that this is the real Jesse. Just read the last two posts from me. They are completely things I would not say. Not just the content, but the writing style.

Sorry for the long post.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:44:04 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Well-put "Huh"


For someone who doesn't "give a damn" what Jesse writes, you sure let him push your buttons. I ignore people who I don't give a damn about, especially when someone else pretty effectively already told him to cool it. Post like that now are just bustin' the gig.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:25:27 ET
Posted by: huh?,

Why don't you follow Hoops advice, Danfiend. Jesse finally shuts up and then you start in again.

Indeed, you just threw more fuel on the fire when it was just about out. Here we go again.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:24:58 ET
Posted by: db,

calm down danfiend
it's not about you or jesse
think back to why you came here....both of you !!!!

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 17:18:46 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago

[ Removed at the request and by the iniative of Danfiend ]

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 16:49:55 ET
Posted by: db,

The songs of D&W make me...
(in no particular order )


I find them..


They make me want to..
make love
kill myself
kill others

My friends think i'm
beyond words

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 16:43:15 ET
Posted by: db,

ha ha ... you old guy's really crack me up.

I'm not bothered who blew what or who, I like the sounds they make.

It's the songs & the feelings that they produce in the listener that interests me.

It's sunny here .... time to give Kamakiriad an outing !!!!

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 16:36:02 ET
Posted by: Groovecake,

One other thing:

Whoever lumped Tenacious D in with Brit, Justin Timberlake, and the rest is totally missing the point.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 16:34:15 ET
Posted by: Groovecake, Omaha

Jessie, et al,

I read through all these posts and realized that the main point of this discussion was never addressed by anyone involved.

The point is this: We are talking about Jarrett, The Dan, Louis Armstrong, Miles, Diz, etc. Why? Because they all have a voice - a unique sound. THAT is the ultimate goal for any musician. Miles didn't have the chops of God, but he had a voice.

There are plenty of B flat players out there who can play higher, louder and faster. You don't know too many of their names though. Why? No unique voice. Hell...if you judged him against some of the best singers, Fagen "can't sing". But...he can and has established himself as one of the most recognizable voices in the history of rock. He didn't even want to be the singer...but others recognized his special voice, so to speak.

You know Jarrett a mile away. You know Coltrane, Bill Evans, Herbie, McCoy, Hendrix, Rush, Yes, Eddie Van Halen, David Sanborn, Bruce Hornsby, etc., a mile away as well. They found their own voices. Not all of them are chops monsters. Doesn't matter. They found a voice. U2 developed an entirely unique sound because they couldn't play like their idols, so they came up with something else. Andy Summers from The Police forged his own sound on the guitar.

I once read an interview with Hornsby and the subject of solo piano came up. The interviewer asked him if he ever thought about doing a solo piano record. Bruce said he didn't want to be another "poor man's Keith Jarrett." In other words...Bruce found his voice in a different environment. He is VERY influenced by Jarrett and McCoy Tyner...but he sounds like Bruce Hornsby.

The reason that a lot of pop artists of today (Brit, Justin, J Lo, etc.) are lumped together is because of a lack of a voice. You don't hear anything new or fresh...yet. It's possible that one of some of them might break into their own at some point in their career.

What attracts us all to Steely Dan is that there is NOTHING like them out there. So unique. So "Steely Dan".'s not all about chops. It's all about your voice.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 15:57:51 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Just for the record, Hoops, that last post wasn't made by me- there's obviously some joker who is pretending to be me to stir up the pot about our sometimes heated little debate. Thanks to everyone for placing kudos where they are due about my more-sophisticated-than-usual musical tastes and also for understanding (and I think agreeing with, but not ready to put it in words) my view about some players like Fagen and Leonhart just not being able to cut it musically. Like I say, they simply cannot.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 15:35:21 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Thanks Hoops, I choose my curse words carefully. I agree with you and Some Bozo too. Not everything Jesse wrote was diarrhea of the mouth but enough with the comparisons. Is breakfast better than dinner?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:49:48 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Rolling on the floor

Hoop! - You're killin' me man. I haven't laughed this hard since I was a little girl!

P, L & Dan


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:47:12 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I will just ignore you hence-forth and hope others do the same. Nothing wrong with disagreeing but no need to get like that.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:33:06 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Dennis says:

"What the fuck are we talking about here?"

First of all, Dennis, that's a powerful use of "fuck." Nice emphasis!

Secondly, you ask, what are we talking about? I think that's good point you suggest Dennis. I mean, someone says something pretty dumbwhy is it garnering so much attention? I agree with Some Bozo's comments about Jes though.

Overall, Some of this is nothing but pissin' in the wind'nuff said if you ask me.

Personally, the Piano Jazz appearance really reminded me how much I love it when DF plays an acoustic. Did Donald play piano on "Fire In The Hole?" I believe so. I think it's absolutely brilliant. What's more, DF (and WB for that matter) knows when to get out of the way and bring in the right pianist for the effect desired. Most people would let their ego get in the way. Yeah, everyone's got some shortcomings and his are small. Donald's lousy at singing opera too. I'd love to have DF's tech abilities or to sing like Walter for that matter.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:25:26 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

You don't make any sense either, Hoops. Stay out of it.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:20:29 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

I don't see Fagen improvising 32nd note bop passages with ease. But with the guy's knowledge of composition and harmony I bet if you were sitting with him at his piano he would be able to entertain you with some mind blowing arrangements, it's not like he can't play the piano. What the fuck are we talking about here?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:17:33 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Man! I was so undecided. But words like fuck, dork and blowhard are so funny and amazingly persusive, especially when used in quantity. I'm persuaded...yeah.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 14:06:54 ET
Posted by: Bruce Pleat,

Now you've proven yourself to be a potty-mouthed blowhard, Jesse. And still a dork. Sit your schoolboy, self-righteous ass down and have a glass of lemonade.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 13:47:38 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

nostaticatall, that's what I've been saying all along. It doesn't matter that he isn't that good.

Bruce Pleat, fuck you. I play several hours a day. The trumpet is an extremely hard instrument to play, just in terms of how demanding it is physically. After a while, it can become painful. That is why I pace myself. I'll play for half an hour, take a break (and usually come to the computer), and go back. While on tour in Europe in the 30's, Louis Armstrong was playing, and while he was trying to hit a high note, his already callissed lip burst, and blood spewed all over his horn and his suit. He stopped playing for over a year.

Anyway, I think we can get back to talking about something more constructive than this.

Jon, "Black Market" is one of their best, definitely. Joe Zawinul's best work as a composer is on that record, I think. Man, I wish there could be a Weather Report reunion. Sure Jaco's dead, but the other three Weather Report bass players are all still alive and playing (Miroslav Vitous, Alphonso Johnson, and Victor Bailey), as are Peter Erskine and Alex Acuna. Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul are doing their own thing (by the way, both of them are coming to Toronto this June for the jazz festival!!).

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 13:00:50 ET
Posted by: jon,

Weather Report must have: "Black Market"

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 12:44:47 ET
Posted by: Some Bozo,

Jesse, although you're opinion about DF is totally misguided, not to mention also whacko, I think it's impressive that a teenager like yourself even thinks about such things. I mean most people your age would be looking for the next Britney Spears album.

Thumbs up, Jesse, on thinking about music critically.

Thumbs down for a really bad argument about DF. Fortunately you have many years to mature.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 12:37:09 ET
Posted by: Bruce Pleat,


You are a blowhard and a dork, and if you had any serious musical aspriations you'd be playing right now instead of wasting your time with your ridiculously long postings. Get on with it.

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 12:12:43 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,


I'm going to put the cap on this discussion by saying this. No one ever said that Donald is a fantastic instrumentalist. We've been saying all along that it just doesn't matter. Very few people can be a Wayne Shorter, write some of the most progressive and quintessential music in jazz and be a virtuoso multi-instrumentalist.
Then again, not too many people can be a Donald Fagen, either.

I didn't want to say this, but something occurred to me about Donald Fagen a long time ago. First he was obsessed with composing and learning about harmony, arranging, and scoring. As many gifted composers will tell you, when the ideas are flowing you don't want to do anything else because it takes you away from the frame of mind that composing requires. Duke Ellington, Bob Dylan, etc. all fall in this category. As far as the piano goes, I think Donald made the concession that he could never be like his heroes so he didn't even try. He lived in an era when on any given night he take the bus into New York City to see Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Jaki Byard and all the greats in person. He even got to meet many of them! "Seeing these Gods on stage was no less than a revelation." Donald once said. Part of that revelation involved not being able to be one of them, thus not writing a pure jazz, but creating a new music. The result has culminated in the hybrid sound that at the heart of his compositions(jazz chords, country western style, reggae backbeat, cold-war mentality and rendered as popular music--and that's just "New Frontier".)

Also Jesse, as not just a Steely Dan fan, but a fan of music in general, I understand that the need to create is overwhelming. You have to know that Steely Dan actually belongs to the generation who bore it. While Don and Walt wrote timeless themes, the specifics are rooted in hipsterism; Paul Crasner's "The Realist"; The Civil Rights Movement; a season of free love; The Vietnam War; Woodstock; The Modernist and Post-Modernist authors; Jack Kerouak and William Burroughs; In short, the entities that define the era that begot them. It's impossible to recreate the music that Steely Dan made, because the social and political, cultural, and cerebral contexts no longer exist! The best way to capture the spirit of the Dan is in the context of modern language. Look at our current, seemingly pre-apocolyptic landscape. Look at the diminuition in initiative, culture, and intellectualism. Look at the Dot-com'ers, Enron, and World-com. Look at American Idol. Look at school shootings. Look at 9/11.

Point is you have a gift. I see it. In your horn, you can refute the fact that we "Gen-X'ers", whom the world has proclaimed as being slackers, obese, diabetic, self-indulgent, and generally apathetic, to prove that we DO have conviction. Our songs aren't just about thongs, demeaning women, gun brandishing, and marijuana. I'm an artist too and I'm at the forefront of this movement!

I never said you weren't a fan, Jesse, you obviously are. But an artist who is also a true Steely Dan fan has responsibility. That, along with the fact that it doesn't matter how good an instrumentalist Donald is, has been my point all along.


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 09:12:56 ET
Posted by: Zipperhead Johnson,


Anyone know when the Kamakiriad DVD-A is coming out in the states? I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone...

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 07:29:28 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Modern Drummer - I think the real focus on rock-steady grooves started with Wendel, i.e Gaucho and afterwards. Their albums before that had some great grooves, and some great drumming, but the tempo within a song was definitely not rock steady. They quite possibly wanted to have the tempo breathe a bit - a bit faster in the chorus, slower in the bridge... There are plenty of examples of this.

The fact that they were using live tracking for the rhythm section suggested to me they might be going back to this approach, rather than doing a great deal of digital editing to get nano-second accurate and steady drums.

Maybe I didn't explain exactly what I had in mind with my previous post - they will still be aiming for great, solid and steady grooves, but I thought there might be more room for individual expression (fills etc), as well as a bit of a relaxation of the limits of what's acceptable (e.g. not scrutinising each snare hit down to the nano-second level).

We'll see how it turns out on CD and on tour...


Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 04:01:24 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Fine, I admit that the opinion is not ridiculous. It's just ignorant. That's what I meant by the whole mediocrity thing (and by the way, those people you mentioned aren't mediocre; they just plain suck!). To say that Donald is a good piano player is lowering the standards of what good is, and letting mediocrity take centre stage. Like I said, Donald is human, and isn't good at absolutely everything. He is an insanely great songwriter, a great singer, and a great bandleader and arranger. That doesn't make him a good piano player. You say that he can be excused for not being able to play the "Pathetique Sonata". Sure we can excuse him for that, but we can't excuse him for not having the skills that EVERY professional piano player should have. Just look at Bob Dylan, for God's sake. It is a given that he is one of the best songwriters ever. When I go to see him, I don't mind the fact that he is an embarressingly bad guitar player. He's got a great band to back him up. Same with Donald.

Another thing, believe me, I live the Steely Dan life. AND BELIEVE ME, I look down my nose at people (isn't that what I've been doing here?). Call me an asshole. You just admitted that you do the same thing. I quote lyrics while talking to people (a favourite of mine is "I'm so excited I can barely cope. I'm sizzling like an isotope". Also, "______, my old friend. Step on in and let my shake your hand.") I recently bought a suit, and based my decision on whether it looked like the one Donald was wearing in the 2VN DVD. Same with the glasses. I plan on seeing two or three shows this tour, and if I had more money, I would see more shows. I compose music thinking "Would Steely Dan write something like this?" I arrange Steely Dan tunes for jazz settings. I play along to the records ("Chain Lightning" and "Glamour Profession" are so much fun to play over!). Don't tell me that I'm not a fan

And by the way, I am using my love of music constructively. I've been playing the trumpet for 5 and a half years now. I plan on going to university in the fall to study jazz performance and composition, then doing a masters, then moving to New York, then getting a record deal with Blue Note records, and then writing, recording, touring, and hopefully landing a gig with Steely Dan (let's just hope they're still around in ten years). That's my plan.

Once again, hero worship is very understandable. We worship people and think they can do no wrong. What you have to realize is that they have weaknesses as well as strengths. Worship the strengths, such as Donald's ability to write incredible songs, and basically just run a band like Steely Dan. Ignore the weaknesses. Just because Donald isn't a good piano player, it doesn't take away from the fact that he can write like a motherfucker. In fact, it makes his songwriting more impressive, the fact that he has been able to make a living as a musician, and not be that good.

Enough of this. Hey, who likes Weather Report? I'm listening to "Night Passage" as I type. Man, what a band. Now THEY were great musicians. Two Steely Dan alums are on this record: Wayne Shorter and Peter Erskine. Now they can PLAY! What's everyone's favourite Weather Report record?

Date: Tues, April 15, 2003, 01:38:09 ET
Posted by: W1P, Outside the Stadium

On the subject of bootlegs and androids, I have mixed emotions. An artist should be entitled to control his or her art and present it to the world in the condition that they believe is appropriate. It does seem to be their right. A fan, on the other hand, has a right to express their desire for "alternate" and unreleased material -- perhaps get a glimpse into the creation of what was considered the finished product. While I believe that the artist has the right to control what art is delivered to the public, I think that right should be exercised to serve the interests of the fan. I thought what SD did on Citizen, while well within their rights, was inapprorpriate. Only two alternate versions were presented (one released previously as a B side) and a few "singles" (FM and Western World) added on for good measure. We here in Dandom know what else is out there and it just seems to me that a lot of this material should have been fixed up and released as part of a box set (and its still not too late). I have argued that SD should release a box set that includes all of Citizen, Alive in America, TvN, all three solo albums, relevant cuts from NY Rock n Soul Review, Dallas, All Too Mobile, Second Arrangement, etc. and other live tracks from the early 70s and the Record Plant, etc. And perhaps they could work up some of the Vance stuff as well. Springsteen did something similar if you combine Live 1975-1985 with Tracks. It probably will never happen, but frankly I think it would be a savvy business move because it would entice purchases by Dandom in its entirety and give exposure to the solo records at the same time. If you're gonna dream, dream big.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 23:20:05 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,


If there has been a recent bluebook post where it was said that Donald Fagen was a better pianist than Keith Jarrett, then I haven't found it. If there is, point it out to me. If anyone said that, then that's their opinion--one to which they are entitled. Yet you make a value judgement on that opinion as ridiculous--who do think you are?

If you think that it's your collection is that makes you qualified to be a real Steely Dan fan, think again! I'll guarantee most everyone here has everything you have! Steely Dan isn't just music, books, cd's, dvds, and knowing Donald Fagen's hobbies. It's a lifestyle, a frame of mind, a way of viewing the world, a feeling of superiority that just being a fan makes you qualified to look down upon fans of other groups in cultural superiority. It's the willingness to plod to one city to the next to see essentially the same show every night and waiting with baited breath for the opportunity do it again. It's seeing strangers hug each other during the first couple of bars of Deacon Blues. It's all these things and more.

I'll save the term mediocrity for todays American cultural heroes: Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Eminem, Tenacious D, Freddie Prinze Jr., Danielle Steele, Kid Rock, Usher, The entire cast of friends, and Dan Savage, the entire UPN Network, etc. etc. etc. Donald Fagen's name should never inhabit a sentence with any of these names in it! When juxtaposed to those stinkaroos, Donald can be excused for not being able to play The Pathetique Sonata.

You want to stand by your opinion, so I'll stand by mine, you're a sophomoric, know-it-all, who does come off like an ass. That's MY opinion. If you don't want backlash keep your opinions to yourself!
Here's some advice: take that love of music and use it more constructively. Take a piano lesson. Show Donald how it's done.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 22:29:03 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

nostaticatall, WHOA, back up a minute. Granted, I have been a fan for only a few years, but in those few years, I have acquired everything they've ever released, plus some demos, bootlegs, soundtracks, books, and DVDs. I probably have 4 figures of CDs, records, and tapes to listen to, yet at least one of the ten Dan albums gets listened to every day. To say that I'm less of a fan is completely unfair.

Now, I'm not blasting anyone. People made ridiculous claims that Don is a better piano player than Keith, so I responded. Does anyone go around arguing that Wes Montgomery is a better guitar player than Bruce Springsteen? Is Joni Mitchell really a better singer than Ella Fitzgerald? Of course not, but Bruce, Joni, and Don have enormous strengths in other categories.

And Michael Leonhart? Like I said, I believe Jay must be good friends with Don and Walt, and that's why he has been constantly asked back, because he really isn't very good. Listen to his solo on "Daddy Don't Live..." on the mp3 from Andy's website. It's quite embarressing. He sounds like a college student. He's up on stage with seasoned pros like Jim Pugh, Tom Barney, Bob Shepherd. For sharkdeville to call me ignorant is ignorant. I'm all for having an opinion, but opinions don't really matter when there's nothing to back them up.

I completely understand that it must be hard to hear these things about your idols, but it's the truth. These men are human beings. Just because Donald Fagen can write incredible songs, it doesn't mean that he's exempt from the thousands of hours of practise it takes to even become even a low-end professional. Don and Walt are my idols too, but I like them for what they are great at. Donald also likes playing table tennis, but Steely Dan fans who are aspiring table tennis players don't look up to him.

To say that Donald Fagen is a great piano player is letting him off the hook just because he can write kickass songs. To say that Michael Leonhart is a great trumpet player is letting him off the hook just because he has been hired by Steely Dan. Roy Hargrove is an okay trumpet player, but he was on a record with Herbie Hancock recently, so he must be great, right? Wrong. He's the only trumpet player on Verve, and this was a big Verve project, so they couldn't have hired any of the much better trumpet players that are on other labels, such as Nicholas Payton, Wynton Marsalis, or Terence Blanchard. It's all politics.

There are so many people who cling to this idea that everything about music is purely subjective. I used to feel that way, too. But I don't anymore, and it's been a harsh revelation. Accepting objectivity in art is what makes you stop and realize that there's no room for bullshit. Denying it soothes the savage insecurities that allow mediocrity to enjoy the benefits that used to only be given to excellence.

Simple as that. Here's something to think about: Say Donald wasn't a great songwriter, and had never written a song in his life. Would he ever get gigs? Go to any jazz club in New York, and you'll find the answer. And another thing, how come Michael Leonhart doesn't have any gigs? Does he even get gigs? I don't live in New York, but I do get the Sunday NY Times, but I've never seen his name in the club listings.

Anyway, enough on this topic. I think people are set in their beliefs so it's not likely that they will ever change. I'm sorry if I sound like an ass. I'm not. I just love music.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 20:29:18 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston, MA.

Hoops! I second the idea of your own chat room. Set it up it so nobody can make smiley faces.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 19:57:30 ET
Posted by: t,

danfiend - I understand why the Dan wouldn't want unfinish songs and demos out there. Besides the fact that they aren't being compensated, the unsuspecting customer might think mistake it for official product. However, I'm one of those people who has to hear everything they've ever uttered into a microphone, and as long as I understand the possible quality issues as far as performance and sound quality, I'm always willing to take a chance with the Dan. As for performance, these demos are by no means polished, but some of these songs have grown really close to my heart. My personal fave is "Oh Wow, It's You Again"; tears me up everytime. And there are all kinds of lyrical and musical references that pop up later in the official Dan catolog. It's a nice peek behind the creative curtain.

The real pisser is that these demos are re-released just about 2 or 3 times a year in different combinations, and with different titles. It really sucks for the consumers. I'd recommend going to Andy's site or somewhere else and downloading them for free, because 1. you'll get them all, and 2. the theiving bastards won't get your money.

I keep hoping that the Dan will have somebody clean them up and put them out officially, but until then it looks like we have to make do with what we got.



Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 19:31:37 ET
Posted by: Terry, Balt., MD

Has anybody else try to use Stal's chat room lately? I peeked in a few times over the last couple months and that place is as bad as his guestbook has become. Hoops, why don't you set up a chat room so we can have some SD discussions. The time is ripe with the new album and tour, and that other chatroom is unbearable.

All in favor of a bluebook chat room say AYE!

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 19:10:21 ET
Posted by: Kinky,

Howard A little less emphasis on steady grooves? Carlock is a human drum machine!

tapemite Andy has never met me.

jealous love is the mud in the hole

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:50:22 ET
Posted by: Dan's Picks,

danfiend: A loyal SD fan would have all of that rare bootleg stuff! They just wouldn't go around telling everyone about it. Hi Andy and St.Al :)

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:50:22 ET
Posted by: I keep forgetting,

Steely Dan gives mixed messages about bootlegs. They don't like the 60s demos that are out there, they're not bootlegs really tho. Nor did they apparently like Andy passing out some stuff direct. But concert boots seem to be OK. St Al is giving out CDs of Andy's boots on the web so that seems to be OK too. I think they would hate studio demos being out there more than concert boots.

Just a guess.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:28:36 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, there

i like 2nd arr and kulee baba (full band).

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:26:18 ET
Posted by: danfiend, chi

Thank You Yuppers

For forwarding the newsletter, however, I'm not subscribed through my hotmail address, so the mystery continues . . .

Do you guys think that obtaining bootleg copies of Steely Dan demos are disloyal to Don and Walt? On one hand I'm real curious as to how they would sound, but it seems kind of wrong on the other. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT being preachy, I'm just asking a question. I have the stance that a loyal Steely Dan fan wouldn't go near them. What are your thoughts on this?

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:06:49 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

Jon and Sharkdeville

Much kudos to your excellent points on the Fagen vs Jarrett issue!
Only people with elitist attitudes and "know-it-all" arrogance would make judgements on any musicians abilities. And since I don't suffer from passive-aggressive disorder, that means you Jesse!
It's your obvious youthful sophomorism that would prompt you to make judgement calls on anyones musicanship. Wasn't it Wynton Marsalis who said it that's the range of humanity within jazz music that makes it special? Furthermore, how dare you come on a Steely Dan fan site, after admittedly only having been a fan a short while and blast the musicians whose work you claim to love! Next, if Mr. Leonhardt is good enough for Steely Dan, then he's better than most.
It's like Donald Fagen said a long time ago when people used to bug him about a new album. He'd flip it on them and say, "When's YOUR album coming out?" Since you're above reproach due to your knowledge and skill Jesse your record's gonna be good . . .


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 18:06:39 ET
Posted by: Judge Judy,

I thought boot-legs were illegal.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:59:29 ET
Posted by: tapemite,

Andy has stuff you've never dreamed of.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:58:34 ET
Posted by: Forgot Again,

You're right, Shark. I guess St Al must have gotten permission from Steely Dan to offer the new Gaucho tracks and the Becker demos as he does, while Andy didn't. Maybe they could put them on a box set.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:38:10 ET
Posted by: shark,

easy... Andy's got it goin' on too.

If Don & Walt ask you to remove certain things, then that's what you do, yes?

thanks to everyone who's made this rare stuff available, even if it was for a limited time.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:31:08 ET
Posted by: Forgot to mention,

I forgot to mention that St Al has all of the Walter Becker Demos plus the New Gaucho demos, like Kind Stranger and Were You Blind That Day at and

St Al kick's Andy's ass in the bootlegs department if you ask me. He's got 'em all.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:24:14 ET
Posted by: t,

One other thing... in 1983 there was a vinyl release called Becker/Fagen - The Early Years that had some of the demo songs but great sound quality, as in same performances but finished quality mastering. The set list was:

Brain Tap Shuffle
Come Back Baby
Don't Let Me In
Old Regime

Mock Turtle Song
Soul Ram
I Can't function
Yellow Peril
Let George Do it

It was on a label called Aero. I've always hoped somehow to get the rest of those demos with this same great sound quality. If you see this one somewhere I recommend grabbing it, even if you have the songs somewhere else.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:16:46 ET
Posted by: shark,

those 'Katy Lied' demos you mentioned and many others can be found here:

lots of good 'Gaucho' demos as well.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:11:13 ET
Posted by: Mike, Louisville

There is also an alternate version of Stone Piano available.

El Sup

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:02:53 ET
Posted by: t,

shark - thanks. Yep, two versions of Sun Mtn., and I think the solo piano version is Don singing, while the band version is somebody else whose sings on some of the other songs... if memory serves...

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 17:01:37 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

The only other demos i'm aware of are these katy lied-era demos...

mr. sam (band demo)
untitled instrumental (band demo)
i got the news (band demo)
black cow (2 versions, piano demos)

There are of course the infamous Katy Lied and Gaucho outtakes as well as the mysterious Walter Becker demos which are rumored to exist somewhere in the ether.


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 16:44:14 ET
Posted by: shark,

yeah, that's the same as 'Android Warehouse'... plus the full band version of "Sun Mtn".

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 16:37:34 ET
Posted by: babelfish, chgo

Hello again, havent been here in any months.

Shark & Tones:

I can't recall what tracks are on "Android Warehouse," but i belive the most complete collection of pre-Dan B/F tunes is Catalyst. here's the tracklist, in vaguely chronological order:

sun mountain (piano)
take it out on me
caves of altamira
charlie freak
you go where i go
any world that i'm welcome to
a little with sugar
android warehouse
more to come
parker's band
oh, wow it's you again
stone piano
yellow peril
roaring of the lamb
this seat's been taken
ida lee
sun mountain (full band)
a horse in town
let george do it
old regime
brain tap shuffle
mock turle song
soul ram
don't let me in
come back baby
i can't function


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 16:08:57 ET
Posted by: shark,

That appears to be the demographic that Steely Dan somehow got lumped into: Adult/Easy-listening/Smooth, whatever you wanna call it... but the tunes I end up hearing are pretty obscure. "Any World" seems to be popular at the Ingles grocers here in NC.
It's a little disturbing, but certainly preferable to Kenny G and his ilk.

I believe the sound on most of those pre-Dan demos is about the same, and 'Android' seems to be the most complete. But are you saying there's 2 versions of "Sun Mtn"??? I love that tune. I'd love to hear Aretha or some such soul mama cover it.

Are there any demo versions of "Any Major Dude"? Seems I read there was, but I've never seen/heard it.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:59:05 ET
Posted by: jon,

Into the Jarret/Fagen maelstrom I go (I'll no doubt regret this):

I think we need to differentiate between what some are calling "musicianship" and "technical proficiency"--I daresay either could exist exclusive of the other and the guy/gal who possesses both is one lucky motherfucker.

It's actually possible to revere both guys (as I happen to) and appreciate their respective gifts without having to proclaim which one is "better". No one would dispute that Don would be hard-pressed to replicate the beautifully fluid, quicksilver lines of "Laleene" (check out a record called "Facing You"). Few can. Likewise Keith has never conjured up anything like ___________(insert your favotite SD tune here).

Long and the short of it--it's all good (hate that expresion but it works here) and we're the richer for it.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:24:50 ET
Posted by: tones,

I have a question for the masses: does The Android Warehouse compilation have better sound quality than the Catalyst? They have identical songs list except the Catalyst, which I have, also has the alternate version of Sun Mtn... I be willing to trade up for better sound.

'preciate any feedback


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:23:51 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Phew! That was a close one. Still can't come to grips why SD is played in so many grocery stores and restaraunts.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:22:02 ET
Posted by: sharkD,

rest easy... it was just a hypothetical what-if posted by someone.

still, sorry to incite nightmares... ;D

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:09:42 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Been hearing Steely Dan in just about every Burger King and Grocery Store that I go into. It's about as disturbing as the notion of the Phish/Ellington thing. Someone tell Anastasio to leave it alone.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 15:01:19 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Waiting for long weekend

I guess Steely Dan covers all media - from Business Wire:

Moooooo!!! Says the cow.

Baaaaah!!!! Says the sheep.

Ooooooh!!!! Says the crowd?

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 14:29:43 ET
Posted by: Duncan,

Welcome to the ''Blue''

Actually the language here is pretty tame.

''Always Interesting''
That's how i describe it !!!!


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 13:56:18 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, in limbo

hey i'm back.

back to the Jarrett/Fagen thing...
first of all, the melody/chords/timing/groove on "Gaucho" are a total departure from the Jarrett/Garbarek intro.
And while Jarrett may be a more technically proficient player who plays more complex things improvisationally, the song "Gaucho" is far more sophisticated, interesting, and fully-realized than "Living Yours"...

Jarrett is obviously admired by Fagen for his proficiency (though we both prefer Bill Evans), but Donald can and has played some beautiful things and, like Walter, has a style and knowledge all his own.

Don, Walt, Monk, Miles, Dizzy, Jarrett, etc.
All virtuosos in their own right.

Why the bashing? To say Michael Leonhart is "really not that good" is just ignorant.

And for the record, I hope that Phish/Ellington record NEVER happens. Yikes.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 13:11:56 ET
Posted by: Peg, hiding out in this cubicle

Re: Wayne Shorter: He was featured on the cover of Jazz Times magazine a couple months ago and has gotten favorable reviews for his new one. FYI: ScoLoHoFo, which includes Joe Lovano (he's the "Lo" part) and John Scofield (he's the "Sco" part) has an absolutely awesome new CD out that any jazzbo will drool over. I daresay any Steely Dan fan would, too, as long as he or she loves plain old jazz and does not require a super smooth concoction for proper digestion.

So, Hoop (one a gorgeous day like today I assume your "s" has gone playing hookey outside), like I said, tell us when the Chicago party will be. (Your location makes it very tempting to commence making up state fair jokes that have to do with hogs, I'm warning ya right now!) Since there is no Cincinnati concert date I don't know what is going on up in Columbus....or Cleveland. Anyone out there, please advise, as I plan ahead.

Well I gotta get back to editing this riveting material about rivets.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 12:31:24 ET
Posted by: hoop, downsized to a single hoop

Was in the CD store yesterday and noticed that Wayne Shorter has a new album out, "Alegria" (a tie in to some allergy medication?). It's his first studio album since "High Life" which I really dug. Anywhoo, Jim Pugh is on it. And of course, unless there is big war news, it's Jim Pugh's "Morning Edition" theme that greets us on NPR, especially at the top of the hour. I bet SD gets interviewed on NPR when the new comes out. Just hope it isn't with Scott "Sappy" Simon and "Weekend Edition Saturday Morning." Peter Gabriel was great on "Weekend Edition Sunday Morning" with Liane Hansen. Steely Dan and the Puzzlemaster would be fun to wake up to. Linda Wurtheimer (sp?) did a great job three years ago.

I wonder if the band lineup press release was a response to that goofy UPI item. A nice reminder that it's getting closer. It's nice to see all of us spelling Herington's name correctly. No word about who is playing bass, I noticed.

Also while in the store, I noticed that Fleetwood Mac's new album is already out in DVD-A but apparently won't be out until tomorrow in CD-A. If I got that right, it's an interesting twist. I noticed that they have started putting on stickers on DVD-A's (like the new Fleetwood Mac) that say, "Will play in any DVD player," apparently in answer to newer SACD's also including CD-A compatibility. Saw Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" in SACD but only the original album tracks, no bonus tracks.

I could see the United Center getting sold out, 'cept maybe the obstructed view seats.

Sorry I missed you. Thanks very much for trying.



Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 11:10:51 ET
Posted by: yuppers,

Hey Danfiend, they sent a new SD Newsletter overnight April 4-5 when your hotmail account was spammed over. I bet it bounced. I'll send you a copy of mine in a minute.

It's also on the web at:

Or more specifically at

I also apologize for my typospast, present and future.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 11:00:21 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Has a new Steely Dan fan newsletter been issued recently, like within the past few weeks? I've just realized that it's been a long while since I've received one. You'd think they would issue one, considering the new record and tour.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 09:14:07 ET
Posted by: Modern Drummer,

Howard...Knowing Steely Dan, they will NEVER put "less emphasis" on a steady groove when it comes to there drummer (or bass player). Never have, and never will. (IMHO)

'93- Peter Erskin
'94- Dennis Chambers
'96/2000- Rickey Lawson
2003- Keith Carlock

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 08:43:20 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban Streets

Wow...very interesting review. I feel like the Chipmonks waiting for Christmas...56 days and counting!!

BTW I've been to a show every year either in Chicago or Wisconsin since the Rock and Soul tours. They have never sold out that I have seen. During the 2000 show the scalpers got stuck with some great seats on that rainy day. I doubt the United center will sell out. What has been the history in other parts of the country?


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 07:37:45 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Great news about the tour personnel. Herington was great before, glad he's still there. Also liked Ted Baker, and he's back. I guessed that much of the "core" group that recorded EMG would probably go on tour. As D+W used live tracking for the rhythm tracks, they have obviously got good results from a more live feel for the recording, due to the players they were using. So it makes sense to stick with these players as much as possible for the tour.

Like Andy, I'm looking forward to hearing Keith Carlock play with them. I've seen him play with Wayne Krantz as well, and he is superb. The Krantz music generally has a LOT going on, both harmonically and rythmically - lots of polyrythms etc ("where's the downbeat gone?"). I'm not expecting anything like this with SD, but it means there may be a bit more freedom for the drummer. A bit more fire, and a little less emphasis on steady grooves?


Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 03:39:17 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Jesse - "songwriting is not the same thing as musicianship". Good, that sums it up. Fagen knows where he is, theirfor Phillinganes played the piano on Maxine. And Grolnik on Babylon Sisters.

But I am a little disappointed over the fact that on their tours from the 90's and the 2000 (?), the hired keyboard players were pretty pale. That Bernard is probably good behind Streisand (no, that wasn't meant as a joke) and Ted Baker isn't the funniest cat on earth.

I wonder why? Why can't they hire Phillinganes, Rob Mounsey etc etc? Too expensive?

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 00:24:57 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'm convinced that Don and Walt are good friends with Jay Leonhart, because they can definitely get better trumpet players that Michael Leonhart. He's really not that good. His solo on "Almost Gothic" wasn't that great, and I've heard some pretty sad playing on live stuff from the 2000 tour. I'm happy Jim Pugh is back. What a great trombone player he is. Anyone ever heard the record "Live" by Return To Forever? He is a total motherfucker on that record. I guess you'd have to be if Chick Corea was going to hire you.

Date: Mon, April 14, 2003, 00:22:28 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I like Ricky Lawson's playing. He did some great playing with the Yellowjackets in the 80's. Hopefully they're punishing him for playing on that disgraceful Kenny G session, where they overdubbed onto a Louis Armstrong tune.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 21:39:46 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Looks like we're getting a partial list of the tour players--check out the new press release at the ODP:

Looks like we've got Herington on guitar again, which is great, especially given Donald and Walter's fickleness with their tour guitarists. Herington is a great fit though.

Ted Baker will be back, as will Michael Leonhart and Jim Pugh. Also, they've got Carlock going along with them too. His playing on 2vN is NOT representative of his style at all. In fact, I suspect it may have been looped, sequenced or otherwise mechanically altered. I saw him play with Wayne Krantz last summer and he blew me away. It's not often that a drummer overshadows the rest of the band, but Carlock was able to. He plays with a great touch--he's got a beautiful style and excellent chops; I think we'll all be pleased with his playing. Should be a good change from the more "metronomic" (for lack of a better word) style of Ricky Lawson.

After seeing that review and the new press release I'm really getting psyched for the new one...

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 21:39:23 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Up in the Clouds

Nothing ground breaking but the ODP is updated.


Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 17:06:57 ET

YGK- Take your time.

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 16:18:59 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

hoops/others: didn't mean to piss anyone off about the post on Friday........laying low.......
as soon as I can drop something related, I will.......


Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 16:07:57 ET
Posted by: Lucky loser,




Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 10:57:45 ET
Posted by: Nigel, Leeds

Lucky- He seems to have highlighted the whole album. Do me/us a favor, and KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 08:11:20 ET
Posted by: Lucky Bastard,

That' a great review. He's right to highlight 'Lunch With Gina'... took a while but now it's my second-favourite track on the CD, after the title track. It's one for Green Earrings fans... wait until you hear the treated guitar solo - presumably Herington - on this one!

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 03:20:50 ET
Posted by: The *New* One,

This is going to be good.......

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 02:55:16 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi

Why did have to go and post that review?! Now I'm even more anxious for June 10th!

Date: Sun, April 13, 2003, 02:30:44 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, wherever

EMG - OMG!!!

That preview really lifted my hopes as to the quality of the new one. Sounds too good to be true. Can't wait!!! How many days 'till june 10th??

Mme Erzulie

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 23:03:40 ET
Posted by: i'monafuckingpcsoican'tproducethemusymbol, somwheroverchinaandtheshineofyourjapan

ohhhhhhhyeesssssssss!!! EMG, Thins One's going to go down Soooo smoooooth. can tell, gonna love it!!!!

The Rhodes on What a Shame About Me flat kicks ass


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 21:52:28 ET
Posted by: moray eel, life

EMG: Thanks for posting that review. While short, it contains more information than anything else I've read. I was interested in this bit specifically:

"It's an interesting choice for a title track, though, as it's the furthest thing from the other eight tunes..."

Actually, I think this is consistent with Steely Dan's SOP... Aja, Two Against Nature, Gaucho.


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 21:43:25 ET
Posted by: walt wiesenklomperft,

Ps. You folks are all on the money when you diss Donald's abilities. I happen to know he also sucks at:

Throwing the discus

Bass fishing

Gettin' down wit da homies

Butterfly collecting

Rubber husbandry

Tight end


Why do we even care about such a loser?


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 21:39:55 ET
Posted by: nostaticatall,

You guys wanna see something funny?

Go to (you don't have to be a member) and type in the Basic Search Box Steely Dan Fan Autographed Glossy. It ought to be good for a laugh.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 21:28:55 ET
Posted by: walt wiesenklomperft,

Last night I had a dream that the boys invited Earl to the stage at Chemical Plant Arena in Balt. to fart the solo in "Haitian Divorce."

Near the end he blew an American flag out his asss.

The man is a talent! (Well in my dream, anyway!)


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 20:13:47 ET
Posted by: ed b,

Ya gotta eat the brownies before the show.
Anyone else going to Paso Robles?


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 20:03:35 ET
Posted by: Q,


As long as Hoops doesn't eat all the "funny brownies" over by his seats.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 18:13:38 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Walt Weiskopf? Cool. I've seen him play with Renee Rosnes' quartet. Man, this record sounds great. Shaft-esque? Funk-laced? I am now really excited to hear this new music.

From Jesse

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 17:50:35 ET
Posted by: ed beatty,

Don't eat all the cotton candy will ya.


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 17:03:27 ET
Posted by: EMG Review!,

This was posted on

(NOT an ad, just an explanation of where I found it!!)
Retail media outlet "MediaPlay" has a Replay Club with special deals on CDs, DVDs, Games, Books and you can earn points for discounts. Members get a Replay magazine every couple of months. The May/June 2003 issue has a review "Preview" of Steely Dan's "Everything Must Go" on page 46.

Although the release date is wrong, now a June release, it was great to see what I believe is the first review for our boys! The Replay reviews go to 5 stars and EMG got 4.5 (there were no 5 star reviews of anything in the issue), as follows...
**** 1/2
(Reprise, May 6)
The joyfulness of "Everything Must Go" is a pleasant surprise. The title track of Steely Dan's latest collection is a gorgeous, mournful number that reaches its denouement with a wistful tenor-sax solo from Walter Weiskopf. It's an interesting choice for a title track, though, as it's the furthest thing from the other eight tunes on Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's follow-up to the grammy-winning "Two Against Nature". Becker and Fagen have never been more positive musically, from the heavy jazz intro of the opening cut, "The Last Mall," to the neo-soul, "Shaft"-esque "Godwhacker". The results are often intoxicating, as on the funk-laced "Lunch With Gina." And against these upbeat arrangements, Fagen's vocals take on a lyrical quality that is reminiscent of the pair's '70s heyday.
--Steve Baltin

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 16:37:28 ET
Posted by: danfiend,


I'd like to apologize for monopolizing bluebook space with this topic,
my relentess misspelling of virtuoso, and that's it.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 16:02:09 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago


Of course. I know that Donald isn't a good technican. I really don't see your point. You've reiterated what's already been said.

The comparison of Jarrett to Fagen or vice versa is unfair, truthfully. They're not even artists of the same genre.

But perhaps it's my love of Donald Fagen that has created bias. Instead of conceding to the obvious, that he's not the greatest piano player, I'd rather say that if he were a better technician he would be. But that's silly, isn't it? I can only go on the facts such as they are.

OK then, maybe, perhaps, there's a little, tiny bit of half a truth to what Jesse says.

There! Are you happy?! But I still won't ever be a fan of Keith Jarrett regardless of how great he thinks he is. I am always, however, going to be a fan of the mighty Steely Dan for the rest of my life. I mean, my nickname is . . .


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 15:56:37 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I listened to "Piano Jazz", and I think if Donald Fagen released an album of standards, it would embaress us all (Rod Stewart, anyone?). I loved listening to "Piano Jazz", but his playing on the jazz tunes was quite sub-par. I know college students who play much better than that. Also, you quoted me as saying that Keith is way higher than ANYONE else to call themself a jazz musicians, when what I really said was that he is way higher than ALMOST ANYONE.

I agree with you that they are both virtuosos, but Donald is a songwriting virtuoso, and songwriting is not the same thing as musicianship. Musicianship is about making beautiful music come out of your instrument, and Donald just doesn't have the technique. All great musicians must have a certain level of technique. Donald knows exactly what he wants from his music, but that's why he hires Ted Baker, Bill Charlap, and Victor Feldman ("Black Cow") to play it. I'm not saying that musicianship is better than songwriting. I'm just saying that if you think Donald is a better musician on the piano/keyboard, then that is simply fan worship, which is understandable. I love Phish, and I would love hearing them play Ellington tunes. I would tell jazz fans who had never heard them that Phish could play jazz, and when I'd play Phish doing "Take The A Train", I would get laughed at. I realized that Phish may be a great band, but they can't play jazz.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 14:12:20 ET
Posted by: Ooops...,

Should be ; as Jesse says...


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 14:10:43 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Danfiend - anyone who's seen the Instruction Video with Fagen and Bernard can hear, and see, how lousy Fagen is technically. And I think Fagen would be the first to admit that.

Ass Jesse says; this is two different ballgames, Fagen is making intelligent pop/rock-music, he's innovative when it comes to chordprogessions and melodies.

Jarett and the others are doing something else.

I prefer listening to Steely Dan.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:57:07 ET
Posted by: danfiend, chicago


Yes I have heard Keith Jarrett and am in absolute awe of his musicanship. His playing is light and lyrical at times, atonal at others in that his solos seamlessly weave in an out of tonality, and everything else in between. His records are unpredictable and full of pleasant surprises each time. So yes, I am very familiar with Mr. Jarrett. Secondly, I own albums from every musician you mentioned with regard to Jarrett. I am a bigger aficionado of the jazz idiom than anything else. Point is, I disagree with how you present your opinion as fact. I think Herbie Hancock is one of the greatest musicians of all time, but I wouldn't dare say that he's "way way higher than anyone to ever call themself (sic) a jazz musician." Look at who you alienate. Thirdly, I would never try to make a judgement on who is better or worse musician than anyone else. My point was that these musicians are all virtousos at what they do. And there are no levels of virtousity.

I also never said that there's no musicianship in technical profiency. (Did I mention that Herbie Hancock is my favorite pianist?) What I should have said, though, is that's the only thing that Donald lacks. He has the knowledge. I know that if it were under his fingers, he'd be ranked with the aforementioned piano legends. I still feel that just because Keith Jarrett is a master of improvisation, etc. doesn't make him a better musician than Donald Fagen or anyone else. It just makes him a better improvisor.
You never know. If Donald released an album of standards he might surprise you.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:45:06 ET
Posted by: Q,

Michelle - awesome timely info!


this is my new full time job...


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:42:08 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Oakland

Just got this off the site for the Konocti show:

This event is currently not available for sale through the web. It is scheduled to go onsale at: 04/27/03 2:00PM PDT.

2pm on a sunday seems weird...hmmm. perhaps we will get pre-sale the day before?

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:41:46 ET
Posted by: hoops,

The Illinois State Fair is like that, but not certain about the Mid State Cal Fair. Make my seat next to the "Brownies with Extras" competition stand.

Which brings me to this year's theme for the Danfests. It is *suggested* that each Danfest will have some State Fair-inspired event but geared towards Danfans. For example, the Illinois State Fair has "husband calling," "pig calling" and "pie bakeoff" contests and things like that. For this year, each Danfest is encouraged to host an event that would be inspired in the usual funny Dan spirit. You know, "Dan Fan Calling" contest, "Best Brownies with Extra Special" contest, etc. I'm sure everyone will come up with much, much funnier events than what I just wrote in the past 30 seconds. This could be very funny. Imagine judging all 20 "brownie with extra special" entries!

There will even be blue ribbons. I hope to capture the events on DV like 2000, with your help this time since DV is so much more available this time.

So let the contest suggestions roll! HEE HAW!


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:27:57 ET
Posted by: Q,


wow, you got seats next to Becker and Fagen?~

Mine are by the cotton candy stand.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:03:07 ET
Posted by: Dave, again

What I meant is that state fair seating is usually bleachers and there is no reserved seating. If you show up early for the show, it could be that you will get better seatting.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 12:01:26 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Hi Ed and Q. Many State Fairs are general admission, first come, first served. From what I saw from their web site, there is maybe a 100' or more distance from the front row to the stage. I also am getting tickets for Dylan who plays there a couple of nights later. Who says only has-beens play state fairs?

Great discussion on Jarrett.


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 11:54:33 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, was I blind this morning?

Becker and Fagen.


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 11:25:33 ET
Posted by: Q,

you're buying blind!
they won't even tell you where you're sitting until you gets'em.

oh, well - in the door for now anyway

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 11:09:54 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @paso robles

Paso Robles here we come...


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 09:39:51 ET
Posted by: Kieet Sjahreet, My piano

I just wish I could stop screaming while playing, so I could hear how great I am...

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 09:28:19 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA

TIX for Mid-State go on sale in only 90 minutes!!!


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 05:50:38 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

By the way, none of what I said means that Keith Jarrett makes better overall music than Steely Dan. I listen to Steely Dan much more than Keith. I'm just saying that as improvising piano/keyboard players, there's absolutely no question. Also, I'm not saying that anyone who likes Donald's playing more than Keith's, is wrong. I'm just saying that, once again, as improvising piano/keyboard players, there's definitely no contest.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 04:52:26 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Danfiend, I doubt you've ever heard Jarrett. If you had ever heard Jarrett, then you would know that, while being great technically, the level he is at MUSICALLY is way, way, way higher than almost anyone to ever call themself a jazz musician. If you have honestly listened to a Jarrett recording, and all you heard was technical wizardry, you didn't hear the blood, sweat, and tears that went into each note he plays, then you simply didn't listen hard enough.

Here's an example. Listen to Keith's trio play "When I Fall In Love" from the 2001 record "Inside Out" (or any ballad, really). It is painfully beautiful without being technically demanding at all. (By the way, same with Dizzy Gillespie; a great musician, in addition to being technically great).

Here's another example from a different player. Listen to Cannonball Adderley's alto sax solos on Miles Davis' "Kind Of Blue". Sure, he plays 15 notes, where Miles would play 5, but still, those 15 notes Cannonball plays all tell a story, and if you were to play them slowly, they could be their own tune.

All of this isn't to diminish Donald Fagen's talent. In terms of pop songwriting, he is at the very top of my list. Steely Dan is my favourite band of all time. I have hundreds of CDs to listen to, with little time to listen to them, yet Steely Dan never leaves my CD player.

However, just because someone becomes technically proficient, it doesn't necessarily mean they lose their musicianship. There are some who do lose musicianship. Michael Brecker is someone who is probably the best technical tenor sax player playing now, but he can be hard to listen to, because eventually it just sounds like a bunch of notes. Same with trumpet player Wallace Roney, and drummer Dave Weckyl (of Chick Corea Elektrik Band fame).

The level of songwriting Don and Walt have been at since they started is ridiculous. But if you want to hear a better musician of a piano player, listen to the greats: Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, Teddy Wilson, Nat King Cole, Bill Evans, Brad Mehldau, etc. If you think that Don is a better musician, then that's just fan worship or total ignorance.

The funny thing is, I'm 100 percent sure that Donald would laugh at anyone who said that he is a better musician than Keith Jarrett. I stand by my belief that Donald would kill to be half the musician Keith is.

Sorry for the extremely long post.

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 03:27:29 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Jesse - yeah, I listened a lot to "Bremen - Lausanne" and "the Kln Concert" and other Jarett stuff back in the 70's. Jarett also played a solo-concert in Stockholm and I was standing in line in the early dawn to get a ticket. The concert was a bit of a disappointment though. He was a little too snobbish, he threatened to leave the stage if someone coughed.

And I have a friend who toured with him in Sweden and he couldn't stand Jarett.

Danfiend - I think you have a point there, Fagen is certainly not a pianoplayer in that sense he's musically trained. But he is steady as a rock, and as we all know, a great songwriter. If you notice the credits on the Albums, Fagen mostly leaves the Piano/Fender to someone else, Phillinganes, Grolnik etc...

Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 00:50:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

Good to hear from you again. Let me know if you need server space or if I can assist in any other way. Sounds like it will be a great site.

La Toya/Spellcheka:
Great points on Keith Jarrett. Good chatting with you.

Be well.


Date: Sat, April 12, 2003, 00:20:55 ET
Posted by: Gilles BOISSIER, ARLES ( south of FRANCE )

Musician, guitarist for 40 years now (I'm 55 Years old )I felt so lonely fan of steely-dan in France, fortunately internet came and now I'm in touch with all absolute S/D lovers through your site and a couple of other links. i would like to create a link for France S/D Fans, I'm retired and have plenty of time to proceed to this activity
Could someone help me to realise the site link here ? so @+

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 21:52:25 ET
Posted by: spellchecka, montefega


You were so astounded that you forgot how to spell your own name.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 21:51:38 ET
Posted by: ticket broker are us,

Ticket brokers have seats usually from the promoter that they count on for virtually every show.

Currently for The Dan tour are 8 for Jones Beach, section A for sale @$535. each, and 4 for Tweeter Center front section @ $540.00 available for purchase now.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 20:56:40 ET
Posted by: Kieth Jarrett, Hollywood

Wow, I didn't know my manager had created a tribute site for me!

Thanks to all my fans.

Please watch for my Tour dates and official merchandise here soon!

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 19:22:12 ET
Posted by: danfiend, chi-town


I read your post about Jarrett vs Fagen, and one point you made bothers me. It's true, Keith Jarrett is an amazing, fluent, virtuoso player who has 40+ years of honed skills. It's also true that Donald is not a technican pianistically but was writing virtuoso compositions in his mid-twenties. In short, it doesn't matter where their area of expertise lies, they are both equally virtuosic! Thusly they're equal as musicians! As a person who has went to music school in short to understand Steely Dan, I say this wholeheartedly and with confidence!

For you to say that Donald wishes he were "half the musician Jarrett is" is ridiculous! By your definition, a musician is measured by the level of technical facility on his instrument. Technical ability is a modicum of it. I've heard Donald come up with melodic lines that tore me apart. On the other hand, I find it hard to enjoy Jarrett. Sure Jarrett is classically trained, but Donald is a master of music WHO TRAINED HIMSELF!

That goes back to Miles Davis vs Dizzie Gillespie. Both were musical geniuses also were they not? While Dizzie, a technical wizard, was at the forefront with Charlie Parker creating the Bebop idiom, Miles wasn't a virtouso, but repeatedly created the most innovative music of the day. Was he less a musician than Diz? I don't know anyone who would say that!

Now does Donald wish he were a technical master? Maybe so. Maybe he does fanticize about being Herbie Hancock, Jaki Byard, and Bill Evans rolled into one, but I love him just the way he is. He has an virtually authentic blues/Thelonius Monk type of attack. Thelonius wasn't a tech wiz either, but even Donald would come after you if you said Monk wasn't a true musician!

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 18:16:09 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Real quick here

People are welcome to discuss Steely Dan and Music and anything even vaguely tangential to Steely Dan in terms of music or humor or trivia or couture or spirit's pretty open and not that literal. Remember the "Mean Santa" postNever mentioned music or Steely Dan, but captured the same kind of cool wit. That was great, even though it literally had no connection, just caught the spirit of SD.

Any Major Dude:
Glad people are discussing the kind of music they are making. Some posts are more interesting that others even to me. I scroll by.

I'm very glad you guys post about your bands. I'm pissed that you think it would be cool to retaliate against someone by posting the same info every time someone comments they aren't interested in your post. (BTW: Any Major Dude went way over board in identifying himself last week and I sure wouldn't have done that if I had been in his shoes.)

A really funny reply is the best reply to some jerk, but more often than not, no response is as good. Keeping your cool is a helluva lot better than saying something dumb.

I don't want to discuss whether I like Clas or whatever or whine about soneone's cover. Annoyed at someone's post? Ignore it or post something else about SD. The dumb post will get buried. Those other clowns don't deserve the energy. And if someone is posting strictly to be an asshole, I'll take care of it.

Fly low, be cool.


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 17:55:26 ET
Posted by: W1P,

YGK -- I'm glad you asked. We have released a two CD compilation of Pink Floyd covers with arrangements that range from faithful to highly unique and interpretative. The CD is called "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" and includes 30 tracks by 29 different bands -- including some well-renowned national artists including Graham Parker, Mike Keneally, Quetzal and Shark of the Wild Colonials. Just today the track "Money" (done in a "psychobilly" style similar to The Blasters and X), was played on the nationally syndicated radio program "Morning Becomes Eclectic" hosted by Nic Harcourt.

I have a huge piece of this record. Not only am I the executive producer of the record, I am the lead vocalist of "Tortfeasor", a band that has recorded a full-band version of "Pigs on the Wing" from the Animals album (as the few of you who might be interested in Pink Floyd know, Pigs on the Wing is an acoustic song that opens Floyd's 1977 Animals opus). I also appear on 3 additional tracks as follows (1) insane laughter on Which One's Pink?'s faithful recreation of "Dogs" also from Animals; (2) a "congregrant" reading a prayer in the middle of Numira's rendition of "Sheep" yet another Animals track and (3) on bullhorn shouting along to North Green's version of Not Now John from The Final Cut ("I used to read books, but there might be something good on, it might be the news or some other abuse").

Anyway, the CD is avaiable at CD Baby YGK, I hear you also have a new CD out -- I would appreciate it if you would provide details (who, what, where, when and how (do I purchase)) Love you long time ;-)

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 17:29:39 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Clas, did you know that those Jarrett solo shows are 100 percent improvised? I once played part of one for a guy that doesn't know Jarrett, and is a classical piano player. After it was done, he was raving about how good it was. He asked me if I know where to get the score to the pieces he did, and when I told them that he just made it up, he didn't believe me. Even after I showed him the liner notes, which says it was improvised. Sure Jarrett can't write a song like "Gaucho", but I would bet money Donald would give an arm and a leg to be half the musician Jarrett is. It's like Michael Leonhart says in the DVD, Don and Walt fantasize about playing in places like the Village Vanguard.

Sharkdeville, that's like saying that Beethoven could never write a song like "Gaucho", and therefore isn't as good as Steely Dan. It's completely different types of music, man. Also, while the melody of "Long As You're Living Yours" that Jan Garbarek plays differs from "Gaucho", just listen to the groove of both tunes. They are pretty much exactly the same. In fact, when I first downloaded the Jarrett tune, and when I first listened to it, I sincerely thought that it was some mislabeled mp3, and it was actually something like a "Gaucho" demo.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 17:17:35 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Hey, W1P!
Don't you have a record out now? What is it?
And where can I get one?



Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 17:05:05 ET
Posted by: W1P, Los Angeles

Any minor dude (afraid to identify himself) -- No. But thanks again for giving me the opportunity to mention A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd is available at Every time you post an anon message "instructing" me to do something, I will respond with a plug -- so if you want to limit "hawking" you might want to stop baiting me. Have a super day

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 16:56:30 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chi-town


Would you quit hawking your Pink Floyd tribute record? Probably not too many DanFanatics(tm) really care about Pink Floyd and pushing something you have a piece of is different from telling us about some kick ass record or's kinda funny in the context of EMG though.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 16:17:50 ET
Posted by: Kinky,

Dream setlist for '03? hmmm....

Everything Must Go
Haitian Divorce
Gaslighting Abbie
Fire in the Hole
The Things I Miss the Most
Hard Up Case
New Frontier
Black Cow
Show Biz Kids
Black Friday
Blues Beach
Parker's Band


Here at the Western World
Green Book
Slang Of Ages
Doctor Wu
Time Out of Mind
Deacon Blues
Lunch with Gina
The Caves of Altamira
Kid Charlemagne

Last Mall
My Old School

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 16:08:49 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Last night I dreamnt that the band played " The Royal Scam " album in its entirety during every stop on this tour ..................

I love dreams like that !


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 15:45:31 ET
Posted by: Um..., Barcelona, soon...

Well, Bananas and Apples isn't parts in the wide spectra of music, but I guess you know what I mean.


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 15:43:15 ET
Posted by: Clas, Uptown baby...

Sharkdeville - comparing Keith Jarett with Steely Dan is like comparing Tjechov with Kerouac, or Bananas with Apples. Both are great in respective area of the musical spectra.

Jarett has done tremendously beautiful songs (listen to his solo-concerts). And he's a classical trained pianoplayer with a vertiginous technique.

And I can't see anything wrong with that he wanted a piece of the cake, that Gaucho sax-riff is a rip-off, nothing else.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 15:15:55 ET
Posted by: As long as I know,

I disagree Shark. The entire essence of the song (the melody) was lifted from the Jarrett tune. Gaucho is not Gaucho without that melody, and Jarrett wrote that melody.

If Horace Silver wanted to make a claim against "Rikki", I'm sure he'd have a case as well, especially in today's litigous society. I doubt that a judge would agree however, because the "Horace part" is not as integral to Rikki as Jarrett's part is to Gaucho. I do agree, however, that Jarrett's "Living Yours" doesn't hold a candle to Gaucho.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 15:05:17 ET
Posted by: Fort Knox,

Dear Ouuuuuch!!!,

How can they be scalping tickets to Jones Beach for $400 to $500
a ticket when the tickets haven't gone on sale yet?

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 14:25:47 ET
Posted by: Yah!,

Sharkdeville - you've got it, buddy!

Konocti Harbor is saying no firm contract yet, but that it is not unusual at all. She mentioned possible pre-sale for "fan club"; although, it didn't necessarily appear that she had specific knowledge.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 14:18:59 ET
Posted by: Johnny, The big casino by the sea

This is my favorite part - the dream setlist...

1) open with a new one (or the boston rag again...that was awesome), and then play as many new tunes as possible.

2) aside from that, i hope they find time for some of these:

caves of altamira
new frontier (if solo songs are part of the program)
brooklyn (sung by girls/fagen)
almost gothic
glamour profession
negative girl
razor boy
don't take me alive
time out of mind
sign in stranger
here at the western world
west of hollywood
parker's band

how sweet would that be...

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 14:08:04 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, back to Gaucho

Don & Walt definitely did NOT lift most of "Gaucho" from the Jarrett tune.
Just the intro, and it's simply a nod.
Just like the intro to "Rikki" is a nod to "Song for my Father"...
and you sure didn't see Horace Silver gettin' dollar signs in his eyes.

I don't know if Jarrett is capable of writing a song as great as "Gaucho", but "Living Yours" doesn't come anywhere near it.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 14:02:53 ET
Posted by: W1P, Los Angeles

This morning on the world famous "Morning Becomes Eclectic" program on KCRW 89.9 in Los Angeles, DJ Nic Harcourt played "Money" by Yortoise from A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd. Mr. Harcourt spend quite a bit of time talking about how interesting the compilation is and I'm certain that his comments indicate that he will be playing additional tracks in the future. KCRW is available on the web at and on AOL Radio (under News/Sports/Talk for some reason).

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 13:42:47 ET
Posted by: Michelle, at work in SF

Hmm, well I just called Konocti. They don't have the 7/26 show on their website yet. I talked to the office and they say the show hasn't been confirmed yet. What gives?

I am feeling frustrated. There is no way that we can afford 3 tickets to the show if they're going to be $100+ apiece. That's a month of daycare for my daughter and I don't know if I can justify it. I despise ticketmaster, but for pete's sake I was able to afford Shoreline in 2000.

Big sigh.


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 13:29:00 ET
Posted by: Ouuchh!!, LA

Scalpers asking $400-500 per ticket for first 20 rows in Jones Beach and one other NE venue!!!!!!!!


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 12:48:11 ET
Posted by: angel,

Big Fan: Those tickets go online at 8:00AM Pacific Daylight Time.

Setlist: I am with you Dr. Mu!!!!!!

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 10:49:44 ET
Posted by: SpellSnob, NYC

For all of you keeping track, the street mentioned in the Steely Dan Song "Almost Gothic" is correctly spelled, "Bleecker".
Not Bleaker, Bleeker or any other configuration of the word.

please return to your normal activities

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 10:00:00 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Hoops: dammit, dude - hope you don't get cut, but if you do, that would be a very unwise move on their part. Thanx for creating this forum - rock on. BTW - full disc on its way to you.......

: don't you think they should do Dr. Wu?

And remember, folks, the sign of a true creative artist is simply this: "They make Signage!" Only steps away from a graffiti artist, but hey, the word 'artist' is part of it.........


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 08:52:37 ET
Posted by: Bill,

Eva Narcissus Boyd, better known as "Little Eva" died thursday
after a long illness. She was best known for her No. 1 hit
"Loco-Motion" in 1962.

Mentioned by Steely Dan in the song "Almost Gothic", I felt
her passing deserved mention.

"Little Eva meets the Bleeker Street brat
She's almost gothic but it's better than that"

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 08:33:32 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - May get to 70F next week!!!

Hot Tickets from the Orange County paper. Figure on top SD tickets being $125 or more:§ion=SHOW&subsection=MUSIC&year=2003&month=4&day=11

Tickets for the mid stae fair go on sale tomorrow - but their site doesn't say what time - I'd call today.

Yeh haw Aaron Tippin is giving two shows on the Pepsi Hedliner Stage that day at 6:30 and 8:30. SD starts at 7:30 on the Main Grandstand Arena. Your concert ticket also includes your fair admission for the day. Thurday July 24 is Cattleman's Day. Tough call for a cattleman - Aaron Tippin for free or Steely Dan? Don says during the intros: "So Walt, I think that heffer over there is giving you the green light!" Too bad it's notthe day before - it's the Miss Calif. Mid State Fair contest - maybe Don & Walt could be guest judges.

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 03:48:28 ET
Posted by: Beerberian Europa, @work


"Leg II Dates and ticket sale links will be added above as announced"

So we HAVE a second leg Thank F*** for that ....

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 02:34:01 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, I can dream, Can't I ?

Gotta open with Caves and a long extended horn intro. Donald and Walter take the stage a minute into the song and The Donald grabs the mike and screams "I RECALL WHEN I WAS SMALL"

Set 1

Caves of Altimira
Two Against Nature
Haitian Divorce
Medley: Peg/Hey 19/Josie
New Tune
Black Cow
Razor Boy
Time Out of Mind
King of the World

Set 2

Show Biz Kids
New Tune
New Frontier
Tomorrows Girls
Your Gold Teeth

Cousin Dupree
Dr. Wu

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 01:34:09 ET
Posted by: Jono, San Diego

Geez LP - short show - 12 songs plus encore?... Anyway, here's my dream show:

KC - I like what you got - interesting first set with the Shame/Heartbeat openers. Hmmm... I love the 2nd though with the Time Out of Mind/PArkers Closers and Reelin' (with in the face solo - nice!!) encore.

Ok - here's mine:

King Of The World
Any Major Dude
New song
Doctor Wu
Another new song
Razor Boy
New Frontier
Kid Charlemaign

2nd set:
Time Out Of Mind
Don't Take Me Alive
new song
Almost Gothic
Deacon Blues
The Fez
East St Louis Toodeloo
Cousin Dupree

Show Biz Kids

Lates! this is fun!


Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 01:29:28 ET
Posted by: ,

Hoops: That sux! I know you'll land on your feet again as you asways do...

My Setlist:

Dr Wu
EMG song
Your Gold Teeth II
EMG song
Home at Last
Time Out of Mind
EMG Song
Dr. Wu
Dr. Wu
Dr. Wu
Dr. Phil
Dr. Wu
Dr. Wu

Date: Fri, April 11, 2003, 00:23:06 ET
Posted by: Bill,

Sorry about responding to Clas with my last post but did'nt you
tell me a few weeks ago that you don't edit matierial on this board?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 23:28:55 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Pondering the meaning of life

Ah yes, the dream set. How many hours joyfully spent creating the 'perfect' concert. I love the solo lps, don't get me wrong, but part of being the perfect concert is sticking to the goods. I thought it was great that they only played Dan tunes in 2k. Truth in advertising if you will.

What a Shame About Me
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Doctor Wu
Everything Must Go
My Rival
Only a Fool Would Say That - with intros (great idea LP)
Green Earrings
New Song
The Caves of Altamira


Gaslighting Abbie
I Got the News
New Song
King of the World
Almost Gothic
Haitian Divorce
New Song
Time Out of Mind
Parkers Band


Cousin Dupree
Reelin' in the Years (Guitar solo intact and in your face)

It would be interesting to look at past lists I've posted and see how they match up. I don't know if I have the patience to go through the archives though.

Peace, Love and Dan


Hoops! - Keep the Faith, the rest will fall into place after that.
And Thanks for your hard work!!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 23:00:44 ET
Posted by: John Dudek, Runner of 26

I just found an old Goldmine clipping that I saved from a few years back.
It mentions that Bernard Purdie wrote a book about life on the road, and there's a Dan chapter. Is it still available???

Also, Denny Dias released an album?
I can't find it.
Anyone know how to get one?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 21:06:23 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Clean Kitchen

O.K. - So I am spoiled... Just because I was a diehard fan and waited almost 20 years for a new album, it doesn't mean I liked it. The wait for some new stuff is killing me. Come on Steely Dan, throw me a bone! Soundclip? Pre-sale incentive? Something?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 19:35:42 ET
Posted by: lp, @ home

bring back the year of "three saxophones"!!!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 19:34:00 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi


Fire in the hole and the Nightfly are two absolutely perfect ones that I forgot!


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 19:12:35 ET
Posted by: Michelle, SF, CA

Oh so close to my dream list. Thanks for the fun idea!

Time Out Of Mind, Doctor Wu, Fire In the Hole, Goodbye Look, The Fez
Florida Room, Home at Last, Gaucho, Any Major Dude..., Haitian Divorce, Showbiz Kids, The Caves of Altamira, Your Gold Teeth II,
The Nightly

Spring fever!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 19:11:21 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, at home


open with FM
something from the new one
janie runaway
only a fool would say that - introduce the band during this one
doctor wu
another one from the new one


sign in stranger
pretzel logic
another one from the new one
show biz kids
monkey in your soul
bow out with black cow

come back with cousin dupree and maybe tomorrow's girls if they haven't put the lights on at tweeter on them yet

yeah, i can dream...

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 18:50:45 ET
Posted by: danfiend, chi-town

Sorry for the long post, but I have a question to pose to everyone.
Most of us have attended the latest Dan tours, right--the ones from '93-'00. I for one am tired of the same setlist:

-Kid Charlemange -Babylon Sisters
-Josie -Glamour Profession
-Peg -Bodhissatva
-Black Friday -Bad Sneakers
-FM -Green Earrings
-Green Flower Street -Hey 19
-My old School
-Hey 19

Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I just tired of hearing them!
This is especially because they've got untapped gold in other songs:

-Time Out Of Mind -Doctor Wu
-The Goodbye Look -The Fez
-Florida Room -I Got the News
-Gaucho (title track) -My Rival
-Haitian Divorce -Showbiz Kids
-The Caves of Altimera -Negative Girl
-King of the World -Hat Too Flat
-Lucky Henry -Cringemaker

What are your dream Steely Dan setlists?


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 18:30:40 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago


How are you, dear! I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament at work. I hope it all works out well for you. I can at least speak for myself when I say that I won't let the bluebook go defunct! It's a staple in the world of the Dan.

Also, thanks for the flattering comment about my singing voice, although it's actually average at best.

Steely Dan fans are the best, Jim! I've never met anyone who knows about Marsalis' "All Rise," too. If you haven't heard it, you have to! It pays homage to Duke Ellington kind of. Duke used to emulate the sounds of trains in his pieces, "Take the A Train" is a good example (even though it was written by Billy Strayhorn.) Marsalis devoted an entire movement to that. "All Rise" is a facinating full-orchestral work of four movements. It's atonal in nature but it has definite jazz idioms as well. It's great.

I will say that Steely Dan belonged on that Ken Burns'Jazz program. I have seen all 20 hours of it enough that I have most of it memorized, and I feel slighted. If Burns had time to showcase unknown high school band students, they could have mentioned the Dan when they talked about fusion and the movements thereafter.

As for Keith Jarrett, he's great, but I'm sore about his suing Steely Dan so I don't own any of his albums.

I'll be giving you a call later tonight if that's ok.


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 18:15:14 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Mme Erzulie: can't agree with you fully here on the sample stuff - intellectual property is intellectual property, even still. Even tho we're in a cut and paste world, the 'boys have their rights to what they own.
It's as if you had a mansion with tons of furniture, and lots of food, and I came and stole your chair, and ate part of your fridge, because, 'heck, you can't possible need to eat all that food, or sit in that chair all the time'.
It's still your stuff.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 18:08:44 ET
Posted by: jk,


i always thought that you ran an escort service.

hey, i've got 27 colleges within a 50 mile radious. com' on out!


ps. i don't wanna wait 2 more months for this disc. donald, i demand that you send me one NOW. or, put out a single or something - cripes!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 16:37:34 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Anyone know when TicketMaster will have the tour dates up ?

I am just dying to see the prices for some of these gigs ( not to mention the ' On - sale ' dates.

Hell , who is kidding who , I will pay anything to see my beloved Steely .

Developing ......................

Love this board by the way .

Joey !

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 15:09:51 ET
Posted by: Sean,

I wouldn't like to see anyone censured. But given that places like this are called "Guestbooks," some people sure don't know how to act like guests. It's like throwing a party and having a guest be rude and then insist it's his right to be rude and arrogant. Thanks for hosting the party, Hoops.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 14:58:32 ET
Posted by: the times are getting hard, Magnolia Boulevard

Oh yeah, Hoops, forgot to wish you all the best on your current problems with work. Ho(o)p(s)e it all turns out well.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 14:55:38 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Who's suing who?

Well, Steely Dan are not without petty ambitions themselves. In addition to those american rappers, Steely Dan also sued a norwegian rap duo, who used a sample from Home At Last. Now, these guys are pretty much idealist communists (and if there are any McCarthy's here - too bad for you), not in it to make a lot of money, but rather to promote their ideology and mindset. So I was a Negative Girl when I heard that SD were gonna sue them over that. There never was a lawsuit, the duo withdrew their album and rereleased it with a slightly different piano riff, but I would'nt have thought Don and Walt to be so stingy about it, especially since these are two norwegian dudes rapping in a language that effectively makes them unsellable to more than at most 15-20 million people, and who aren't even very big in their home country. So what goes around comes around, I guess.

And that was hilarious, Boston Rag. Looks like one of Saddam's henchmen!

Whip the bastards while they still green
Mme Erzulie

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 14:33:23 ET
Posted by: It would be nice if______,


Please take the trash outta here - it stinks.

Please consider simply blocking Clas all together.

After all, he has the Yellow book to pollute at his (constant) whim, and certainly he doesn't need access to 2 forums.

Clearly, it is understandable that you don't want to create a precedent, but Clas is an extreme case.

An awful lot of people would appreciate a "Clas-free" Steely Dan zone somewhere on the planet.

On your personal job situation, as has been expressed virtually universally, anyone who knows you would fully believe that someone of your talent, passion, and commitment will certainly earn you a new and, perhaps, "better" situation if you do get displaced.

We all appreciate your efforts and wish you the best.
It seems a great idea that if it comes down to it that fans band together to support this worthy forum if necessary.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 14:07:51 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Hoops, get the records I mentioned in my post. For Keith, get "At The Blue Note, Saturday June 4th, 1994, First Set", and "Whisper Not", if you want his current trio. For some great 70's shit, get "Nude Ants", which had his European quartet, anything by the American quartet, and "The Koln Concert" which has his solo improvised piano. For Wynton, if you're up for some really heavy, ambitious music, get his latest, "All Rise". For something to showcase his beautiful playing, I would say definitely get "Standard Time Volume 2: Intimacy Calling". "Black Codes From The Underground" is also a great record.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 13:21:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

[ Clas and Bill crossfiring not-even clever insults at each other deleted. Go elsewhere if you're going to do that. ]

And of course I point out my own relavent BlueBook post from July 18, 2002, where I discussed the GB compilation:

"* Clas and his son can certainly play. It's really too bad that he's alienated more than a few of us with pointless abuse and has made it hard for people to get past that to catch his talents and that of his son. "


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 12:21:14 ET
Posted by: /C,

Hoopsie, if I'd known that they called Becker a Baby Faced Fascist back in the 70's, I'd never bought any of their records.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 11:17:14 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @ worked and bored

California Mid-State Fair - A positive Dan Fest ... Thursday July 24th Steely Dan AND then Friday August 1st Lee Ritenour - cohort and buddy of the Great LC himself YOU GUYS GET ALL THE LUCK !!!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 09:31:38 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Funny comment /C. Those couple of casual comments about my unrational dispositions on Jarrett and Marsalis sure got up some people's dander. Understandably so. I know they are geniuses but let this demonstrate that even I have some irrational biases. Andy, I don't think my opinion is strong enough formed to be called "bashing." To be honest, if I had read about Van Morrison and Mile's Davis personalities first, I might have felt the same way. Nevertheless, they are clearly amongst my favs.

So aside from "Long As You Know You're Living Yours" where would you start on Jarrett or Marsalis?

Gotta go, back laters.


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 09:29:03 ET
Posted by: Bill, The Great Beyond


Bummer to hear about your downsizing problem at work. Are you sure
that you'll lose your job when it all comes down? If so maybe a
few of our SD friends out there in the education community can hook
you up. Lord knows SD has a lot of fans in the academic community.
Hey SD fans hafta stick together y'know.

I'm not sure what it costs to maintain a site but it's probably
not cheap. Maybe we could all ante up to support the Bluebook?
Wouldn't that be great? I mean this place rocks!

Here's to you Hoops!

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 08:10:44 ET
Posted by: Howard,

steelydoubt: the black friday keyboard blips at 1:09 and 1:42 sound like editing problems (a bad splice?). Funny, I never noticed them before.

There's another blip at 0:25, where a wrong note is played.


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 07:59:53 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, El Moody Bastardo

Who is the Gaucho Amigo???

It's Walter Becker........

Mark in Boston

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 06:44:35 ET
Posted by: paperbeui, with dexterous exuberance

"At the end of Steely Dan's 'Kid Charlemagne,' for example, there's a guitar solo of such extraordinary and dexterous exuberance that you end up wondering where it came from, and quite what it has to do with the dry ironies of the song's lyrics; 'Kid Charlemagne' is a typically clever, mordant look at the death of the '60s, but the solo that closes it is the sound of pure, untethered joy; the guitar jumps up on the song's shoulders and then just launches itself toward the clouds, and as the song fades, you can tell that it's going to reach them, too."

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 04:48:43 ET
Posted by: Andy, Jarrett Bashing?

I'm confused why anyone holds a grudge against Keith Jarrett. It's painfully obvious that Donald and Walter lifted most of Gaucho from Long As You Know You're Living Yours. Now my recourse to having my song ripped off by Steely Dan would probably not be a lawsuit, but I think it's a perfectly understandable response. It certainly wasn't frivolous or spiteful. Does he not deserve a writing credit? Am I wrong?

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 04:38:00 ET
Posted by: Thing is...,

...Hoopsie, since I heard about that lawsuit on those rap-guys (Up Town Baby), I find it hard to listen to the Steely Dan.


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 04:14:00 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Hoops, two people you mentioned in your last post, Keith Jarrett and Wynton Marsalis, I think you should give more of a chance (it's funny I'm sticking up for both of these cats because they are bitter rivals. Once Keith wrote an article in the NY Times completely blasting Wynton).

I also am pissed at Keith because of the lawsuit, but also because he's an asshole (I met him last year after a show in Boston). However the music is so good that I'm willing to let it slide. Keith Jarrett and his trio (with Gary Peacock on bass, and Jack DeJohnette on drums), to put it mildly, are fucking geniuses. Not many people will ever achieve the level of improvisational beauty as those three men. They play mostly standards, but they prove that it is really not the songs played, but what is brought to them by the musicians. Listen to the single disc "At The Blue Note, June 4th, 1994, 1st Set", which is a single disc companion to the 6-disc box set they released. Also, the double CD "Whisper Not", from 1999, is stunning.

Wynton is very similar to Keith, in that he is very opinionated. I heard that at a clinic he was giving, he said that Miles Davis SHOULD NOT have recorded after his first album. I can understand not liking someone's music, but to say that they should or should not have done something is really egotistical. He did put a lot of his ego into Ken Burns' "Jazz", as he was the senior creative consultant. Many essential aspects of jazz were ignored (especially in the last episode), simply because Wynton does not like them, for example, Keith Jarrett. As opposed to Keith, Wynton is the nicest and most gracious musician you will ever meet. After every concert he does, no matter how tired he is, he will stay behind until every single person who wants to meet him, gets to meet him, whether they have a backstage pass or not. In addition to that, he goes around giving clinics at colleges, and teaching school children, for FREE!Also, just like Keith, you can't deny the music. Wynton is also a fuckin' genius. Listen to his latest record, "All Rise" to see what a motherfucker of a composer he is. It's a 100-minute long suite written for jazz big band, orchestra, and choir! "Standard Time Volume 2: Intimacy Calling", is also a beautiful, beautiful record (that one showcases his playing). As a trumpet player, I must say that Wynton is technically, the best jazz trumpet player in the world today. I can see why some people might not like his playing, but you can't deny that he has more control over his instrument than anyone.

Anyway, when I see people deny themselves of some of the world's best music because they judge the character and not the musician, I feel I should step in. However, I am guilty of this myself, as I find it very difficult to listen to Wagner, one of the greatest classical composers of all time, ever since I found out he was a nazi. I am trying, though.

Sorry for the long post.

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 01:57:36 ET
Posted by: Jono again, San Diego

Oops! I forgot one thing! I missed the Piano Jazz with SD and I was wondering if any of you on here have it on CD or on your computer and would be willing to hook me up with a copy. I'll pay for blanks and postage plus a little extra for your time...

Please lemme know...


Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 01:38:02 ET
Posted by: Jono, San Diego

California dates

Ok, what are most of you California folks doing for Steely this year? I'd have to say Paso Robles up near Bakersfield somewhere doesn't sound like a very Steely place to see a SD show... I don't mean to be a complainer - I am SO EXCITED about the Dan tour being announced! BUT I think I'll pass on that one. I'm looking at the OC Fair (I still can't get over the County Fair deal...), has anyone been to the venue (Pacific Amphitheatre) - is it nice? I'm picturing the Del Mar fair grandstand and its just leaving a bad taste in my mouth...

Hollywood Bowl always used to be so swanky - so Steely! Pull up to the venue, pay $18 for parking, all the Hollywood swankies are drinking wine and doing blow in their cars/limousines, the made up Hollywood babes/hookers lookin' oh so fine!

I mean checking out 14 year old girls with their balloons running around the fair is "Steely" in it's own perverse way.... but I digress.... bobbing for funnel cakes can wait...

Anyone in the "know" know if the 2nd leg with be hitting So Cal and when it might be announced?

In 2K we got a bunch of friends and got a limo and dressed up and partied down the San Diego show like Steely was meant to be partied down... I just want to party limo stylie again!!

My take on dancing: At the Plant and Page show last time they came around all the old timers were sitting down while the Zep were ripping it up on Heartbreaker and Whole Lotta Love and all this super killer hsit and I just HAD to rock the f@#! out! The fogies behind me were pissed off but it's Led freaking Zeppelin!!! Hello?!!? At Steely Dan in 2K I knew what to expect and knowing that I got lawn tickets with all my friends and we had a big Steely Dan dance party up there. 2 of my other friends had seats and said it was cool but everyone sat down and kind of put a damper on their party mood. My advice is if you know you ant to dance get lawn tickets and come dance with the dancers! We had a great time dancing with the ladies and getting down! In LA and the Hollwood Bowl (all reserve seating) we sat down like good boys and girls and got stoned and just kicked back and enjoyed the tunes. So my thinkg is everyone just needs to be respectful of each other and quit all the fussing and fighting and "IF YOU DON"T SHUT UP I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!!" and all that crap - come on people really - if we can't get along on the at a Steely Dan concert why even bother with trying to make the world a better place! someone said "mutual courtesy" earlier... I liked that...

The Harbor show up in Kinneyville? looked like a cool resort - really nice and very Steely indeed so that may be the call... but don't know how many people I know want to make the trip from San Diego up to Nor Cal... What are the San Diego folks on this list gonna do?

Last: When are the Steely Damned going to play the Catamaran again?!!? Come on guys!!!!

I know this is premature but i'm getting antsy and been listening to Nightfly, Countdown, and 2vN non stop over the past week!!! I'm getting so excited!!! :)

Take care,
-Jono :)

Date: Thurs, April 10, 2003, 00:07:21 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

Hoops, you are a class act to encourage me at a bummer time for you. Keep your chin up -- something good will come along soon. Waiting with bated breath for EMG, I'm W1P, yeah, you know me

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 23:06:17 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Seattle Danfest with your hostess Sue Dave is this weekend. Be sure to bop on by to get it up for the upcoming season.

Sue's Seattle Danfest page is at: or if that's too complicated just go to and there are links there. I've been looking around for e-Fares for this weekend. Not doing so hot. So if you see one, let me and everyone else know.

Big Fan:
UCONN! Yeah! Speaking of greatness in CT, thanks for the links, BF.

Kid Clean:
I don't remember where I read it but I definitely read about horns on EMG.

I really dug WB on guitar and bass. Herington and Becker made a great combo. Steely Dan has had amazingly talented guitarists on every tour but those two mesh. At the same time, I'd love to see Walter up there singing "Josie" while he plays out that bass line as well. "FM" too. And Barney's groove and versatility is very great reason why he's been on all the previous four tours. Outstanding guy in many ways.

Dave, Swiss Intel:
I'm with Dave that this is a story inaccurately synthesized from the official press release.

I understand the appeal of Marsalis and thank you for bring the opportunity to hear him. I also have mixed feelings on him as a result of his role in that "Ken Burns Jazz" series. Perhaps I am cynical but he seems a little smug.

As always, thanks. I hope there isn't too much of an AOL tie in, but I am betting they do an AOL chat like with 2vN. Save one of those AOL CDs just in case.

I read a lot of homework papers and have learned to guess my students' writing styles, Believe it or not, even though they are at the graduate level, they oft forget to put their names on their writings. Given my experience, are you also Blue Code and a couple of other posters? Sounds like it.

I used to be really into Pink Floyd and Alan Parsons when I was in my teens and early 20s, but not so much anymore. Although I have to agree "Hey teacher leave those kids alone" is not the greatest lyrics IMHO, "Dark Side of The Moon" is sublime. Regardless, I'm glad you post about the music that you love.

Firemop, Dave:
Count me among those who purchased 2vN when it came out and gave it to friends. I gave away 28 copies and Moonflower even bought some for her friends. I gave a copy to friend and she hated it. Turns out Moonflower also gave the same friend a copy. I have no idea what she did with two copies but sadly she probably doesn't listen to them.

Rose Darlin':
Thanks for the info on Tahoe. I'd love to make it, but not sure what life will be like then. (See below.) I love Tahoe.

Regarding "Gaucho":
I've always had a hard time listening to Keith Jarrett ever since hearing about that lawsuit.

Yeah, I think my dancing days are diminished, but it was sure the hell fun to get up in the aisle with Moonflower in Portland and dance to "Cousin Dupree." Yes, Donald and Walter did like the idea of dancing but who knows about now. Maybe these aren't dancing times. But I'm sure they wouldn't want any one to have their view obliterated for a show.

Great to see you here. Give me a call. Danfied has the most amazing singing voice. You should hear her sing any Steely Dan track, especially "Second Arrangement."

Ed, O., HeyMike, KD, Lil' Wild One, db and the rest:

Black Ball, Blue Code, whoever:
Give it a rest. I wait all night for calls like these. I'm the only Nazi and I use those powers very sparingly and very reluctantly. Respect the playpen I pay for. Now have a glass of Tang.

Speaking of paying rent, my school is being downsized by at least 25% over the summer due to the budget cuts. So the bad news is that I will likely be out of a job and have to find other ways of making rent payments on this joint as well as just to live on. But who knows, maybe I can hit more shows, if I have any money or frequent flyer points. So know that I am reading, even you two Black Ball and Blue Code, but I'm a little down in the mood to post. Thanks for your generous friendship and virtual smiles.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 21:21:40 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, here too


its at 1:09 and 1:42

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 21:19:52 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, here

i finaly found the keyboard slip-up in black friday. if you listen to it in L-R mode at 1:43 its obvious.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 20:04:43 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Still @ F*#king work!

Jessie: Thanks for the info. Like I said, I didn't recall seeing anything.

BB: I wonder if Barney can play with those two extra strings. I'm not up on session players, does anyone think there's someone to tackle the job?

P,L & Dan


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 19:28:06 ET
Posted by: Black Ball, Gang-Green

KC: Personally, I'd love to hear Walter do a little of both on this tour. His leads are indispensable on tunes like Josie, Home At Last, Black Friday, TAN, WOH, etc. On many of the earlier tunes recorded with Walter on bass (+ Skunk & Denny on guitars), though, I'd rather hear Walter thumpin' on the bass. Question is, can they find a killer bassist/guitarist capable of swapping instruments with Walter mid-concert?

BC: You're the formally appointed PC constable? Me thinks you are full of shit. You're also apparently humorless, dull-witted, and English-challenged, too. In a word, you are a self-righteous rube. Take a hike over to the Green Pages you festering, gangrenous pustule.

To set the record straight, I am not Bill. Nor am I a frequenter of the yellow book. Moreover, I don't care to read political diatribes or engage in political debate here. That said, however, I happen to like satire. Walter and Donald, from what I hear, do too.

Any reasonable person can see that your response to Bill's post was reactionary and way out of line. His post wasn't political, inflamatory, or off topic in the least. Seems to me that it was a humorous commentary on our musings about possible dates for Leg II of the tour. If you can't find the humor in an SNL Weekend Update-style gag suggesting that W&D provoked dancing in the streets of Iraq by announcing a concert booking in Baghdad then you are probably an IRS accountant.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 19:27:16 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

There are definitely horns. Back in March of 2002, I talked to Chris Potter, and asked him about his involvment with Steely Dan. He said that he had recently done a session for just the horn sections (no solos, but those were probably recorded another day).

As for Bill Charlap, I highly doubt he will be on the tour. For one thing, they've already got Don and Ted Baker. Also, I talked to Charlap just a few weeks ago, and it seemed pretty clear that since they're sessions, they haven't been in communication. It sure would be cool, though. I just think that Bill is focused on his trio, which is great.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 17:50:59 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Bass Ball

It would be slightly dissapointing to not have Walter on the guitar at all (or even very little) after his stellar playing in 2k. However, I love listening to Memphis Blues with the bass cranked way up and hearin' Walt burn up those 4 strings. As long as he's on stage, even just blowin' in an old whiskey jug, I'll be happy.

If i'm not mistaken, which I very well could be, I haven't seen any mention of horns on EMG. Makes me kinda tingly thinking about a stripped down Dan record. I can't wait for the bytes!

Peace, love and Dan

Kid Clean

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 17:41:03 ET
Posted by: Blue Code,

Hoop's made ME the thought police. It's my job to send those/your posts that have NOTHING to do with the correct subject matter and send you back over to the piss pages. Now....BE GONE!

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 17:17:52 ET
Posted by: Black Ball the Blue Baller, Bruce Land (Lenny, that is)

Bill: Funny stuff dude! In which section will you be seated at SD's Baghdad Bop: Shia, Sunni, Kurd, or Infidel? Think I'll be dancing in the mosh pit myself just to get a read on how well all these folks play together. Hell, I might even exercise my First Amendment rights and dare to sing along to a few tunes . . . LOUDLY!!!!

Hey Blue Code / Blue Law / Brown Shirt / Red Baiter / Thought Policeman / Whateveh: Who elected you Pope of this dump? If your sense of humor is so stilted that you must shout down anything remotely cynical or obliquely critical of the Thief in Chief, then I suggest that you spend your days with those of your kind over at the FOX News Channel discussion board.

62 Days & Counting Folks!!!!!

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 15:29:40 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

What are your thoughts about the Dan playing Europe? I've been sure they would....I'll be shattered if they dont do it.



Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 15:22:41 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

PS: I meant his lead guitar style is almost signature for the Steely Dan style, especially in recent years.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 15:21:22 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Hoops: I tend to agree. I would just be disappointed if Becker were to relegate himself to bass guitar. I'm not boo-hooing his bass playing, or trying to downplay the role of that instrument, just that his style just fits perfectly with the feel that the Dan exudes.

It just seems like, from reports of recording styles and band turnover, they may be trying to shake up their style a bit. Barney's been w/ them for the past 10 years on tour and in the studio, maybe they're looking for a change. And it may not only be limited to the bass guitar and the saxophone.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 14:22:53 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Jay Leonhart is first and formost an upright bass guy in jazz combo groups. He's a wonderful humorist as well. I saw him in St Louis about 6-7 years ago.

SD clearly has a high opinion of him and the PJ is an ideal context for an opportunity to perform something with Jay.

Given his usual shows, I would be surprised to see Jay on the tour. But then again, I was surprised about the venues. I give it a 10% chance. All IMHO.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 13:27:11 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, 7 months of winter - cmon that's enough

Nice article on Chris Potter from the Pittsburgh (PA) Post Gazette:
Tour articles:

Bland article on the tour from Yahoo:

Live Daily:

Reuters Billborad - same article - just FYI:

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 13:22:38 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

I wonder if Jay Leonhart was being auditioned for the bass job by playing on the Piano Jazz show. McCracken would definitely be a good changeup with Herington, but I don't see Walter tossing aside the 6 string for this tour much.

Judging from the post of Chris Potter's comments, he won't be on tour w/ them. Will be interesting to see who they recruit to play solo sax both on the album and on tour.

Does Baker have another engagement? He made the talk show circuit with Art Garfunkel a month or so ago. Is he still slated for Garfunkel?


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 12:01:50 ET
Posted by: Dave,

I'm witcha, Firemop. That's a wink and a smile of good will, , intended as "just kidding," not sarcasm. I bought and gave away copies of TAN when it came out and was I was mocked for it. Other fans also bought more than a few copies for others, we're a dedicated bunch. That's what I was making light of in the last post. I guess I didn't plan as well as you since I only gave them to friends and not all of them appreciated it. Those are now my former friends. ;-)

Regarding Swiss Intel's UPI post, I can't help but think that they took the press release for EMG and assumed the players from the album would all be on the tour. Aside from the guitarists, I don't think Baker, Charlap and Fagen will be all playing keys as well. Even if UPI is wrong about the tour lineup, it is great fodder for what the band would be like. Personally, I'd be completely happy with the 2000 players reprising their roles. Fagen and Becker got it together that year. Let's hope it only gets better.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 10:57:34 ET
Posted by: Deep Mystical Soul Synergy,

It aint war talk it's tour talk.


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 09:40:36 ET
Posted by: Blue Code,

Bill- No war talk here.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 09:25:05 ET
Posted by: Bill, The Great Beyond

Looks like they'll be an SD tour date in Baghdad after all.
Upon hearing the news of the latest Steely Dan summer tour,
jubilant Iraqi's danced in the streets of Baghdad this morning.

(Some said it was because the county is nearly liberated but I
have my doubts)

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 08:48:23 ET
Posted by: Frank Fallon,

Ok, does this mean Walter is going to play bass this tour? Do they go with three gituar players and use Barney? This should be good.

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 07:30:02 ET
Posted by: swiss intel, everything must puzzle

UPI says recording band is touring outfit as well:

"Steely Dan co-founders Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have assembled a group featuring drummer Keith Carlock, keyboardists Ted Baker and Bill Charlap, and guitarists Jon Herrington and Hugh McCracken for the tour."


Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 07:01:55 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @ work

Anbody listen to this last night ?
Branford Marsalis Presents...
BBC Radio 2
Tue 8 Apr, 21:30 - 22:00 30 mins

Great little vignette on the making of "Blue Light Til Dawn", Cassandra Wilson's early 90s hit... Going straight out to buy this one now !! Tupelo Honey ... oh man !!

Date: Wed, April 09, 2003, 03:33:11 ET
Posted by: Andy, re: Sharon

Sharon-- so you're confirming the thread from about three months back? Late is better than never. What's your source, any details? Have you actually heard the tune? Just a title is very little to go on.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 23:53:23 ET
Posted by: sharon,


Just to confirm the boys had a tune "Sharon" lined up for TVN. Never made it. But apparently it was excellent and a "classic Steely Dan tune."

Possibly it has been retitled for the new one.

Could it have been Donald professing his love for Sharon Ozborne?

Ariel Sharon?

My Sharona?

By the way. Whats with Pink Floyd. Sounds ok but the guy's dopey voice just don't cut it. And what about the wall?. Were they trying to make an even stupider concept album than "Tommy?"

Hey teachers leave dem kidz alone!!!! Right.

Sharon Stone

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 23:37:36 ET
Posted by: Andy, PS

Big Fan-- I know there is a fairly new pavilion type venue at Hershey Park, so I'm assuming they'll be playing there. I've been to that arena and I can't see it being a pleasant concert experience.

Also, anyone have any idea what the deal with the state fairs and casinos is? Are they looking for material for their next album? Also, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but the dates so far totally left out the entire south and Southern California (minus the Orange Co. fair). Maybe leg 2 = touring the Southland. They've got the traveling minstrel shows pretty well covered in leg 1.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 23:30:33 ET
Posted by: Andy, Washington, DC

Larry--The Camden, NJ show is the Philadelphia show at the E-Center or whatever they're calling it now. I thought it was wrong to call Camden part of the fine city of Philadelphia. By that logic I should have called the Washington DC show Manassas, VA but I didn't.

Any guesses on when we'll hear the first EMG track? You think we'll see an "exclusive" offer to "hear it first" on AOL?

Also on the topic of embarrassing PR tactics by Warners, do you think that Warners will air TV spots promoting EMG--it seems that TV ads are all the rage (especially on CNN--owned by Warners with the target audience of semi-educated baby boomers). Just a (frightening) thought.


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 23:10:18 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, home

Go UCONN back to back to back?

Check out the prices for some of these tickets at Konocti Field Amphitheater. Boston is pulling $50, 66, 76. What will Steely Dan cost - close to $100 based on this. As I feared these smaller venues are going to be expensive. The $29 pre show sunset BBQ looks tasty - not quite as good as state fair food but darn good I'll bet.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 22:49:28 ET
Posted by: Larry, Jamesburg NJ

Just noticed Andys site has 8/23 listed as Philly and Pollstar has the same day as Camden NJ. What gives????

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 20:12:33 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home

OK need to get into concert attending mode. Since some of these functions haven't been used in three years - here goes:
1. Update account - new email address, correct credit card #, experation date up to date.
2. Update account - new email address, correct credit card #, experation date up to date.
3. Update Steely Dan ticket exchange account - new password, update email address.

Was it me or were some of these links on the ODP and now aren't:

Truly it amazes me that they are playing Hershey Park arena and for that matter Manchester, NH. Obviously a conscious effort to play new venues. I worry because in 2000 the first thing I said when I saw they were playing Wilkes-Barre, PA in their new indoor arena was I don't think that area will support SD that well - it didn't and the show was canceled. Some of these venues just don't seem to fit Steely Dan's reputation and music - we shall see. Ceratinly it gives people in different parts of the country to come out and see them.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 19:50:48 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

Muddy, I re-read your post and saw that you are saying you don't care about a Pink Floyd cover band. That's great but A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd is a two CD set featuring 29 different artists (only one of which is a Pink Floyd "cover" band). The project includes Mike Keneally (a fairly well-known musician who played with Frank Zappa and Steve Vai), Quetzal (a latin folk band signed to Vanguard Records who often play with Los Lobos), Graham Parker (I mean, if I have to tell you who he is . . . ), Tom Freund (who played bass in a band with Ben Harper) and Shark (of the Wild Colonials). Most of the tracks were produced by John Would (who was Warren Zevon's touring guitarist on the 1982 that was featured in the early days of MTV), a multi-instrumentalist who also plays guitar, banjo, lap steel, organ and accordian on numerous tracks. Yeah, there's a couple of songs by Which One's Pink? on there but the remaining songs are unique arrangements of classic and obscure Floyd tracks that will be of interest to people who appreciate a wide variety of music and musical styles. So pony up for a copy.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 19:41:00 ET
Posted by: W1P, Open Minded in Los Angeles

The Blue has always been about more than just "the Dan" Hoops has made it very clear repeatedly that generalized music discussion is welcome and encouraged. I doubt that you are sitting there with tunnel vision solely on the June 2003 release of EMG. I doubt that you will refuse discuss anything other than EMG between now and then (let alone purchase anything else). I'll bet good "Money" (a track that appears on A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd) that if you had posted your real name, we'd be able to find many examples of you discussing other music here on the Blue. So there's nothing left to do except to thank you for the opportunity to let people know that A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd, a project that I poured my life into for the past year, is now available at Oh, and tangentially Dan related? A Fair Forgery was mastered by Joe Gastwirt who mastered Victor Feldman's 1985 Lp "High Visibility" and remastered Silk Degrees. Not to mention that Mike Keneally sat in with The Steely Damned at Le Bar Bat in 1998. Have a very nice day

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 19:35:24 ET
Posted by: moray eel, big city

Rose Darlin': Thanks for the great information.

Regarding the accommodations, three nights at $150 is a bit excessive for my needs. I'm looking to stay in Tahoe for one night only. Still, it would be nice if a group of bluebookers could get together for a meal and the show.


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 18:49:54 ET
Posted by: Rose Darlin', still working

Finally ... some info on the Lake Tahoe venue:

"Steely Dan will be performing in our Outdoor concert series on July 27.
The venue holds approximately 5,000 people and is located in the lower
parking lot of Harveys Lake Tahoe. I don't have any photos.

There are bleachers and chairs ... all seats are assigned. It is 'theatre-style' seating. The tickets are scaled for three different sections: A, B and bleachers. There are no tables inside the venue. There are food and beverage tents, along with souvenir stands outside the concert area."

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 18:19:31 ET
Posted by: db,


take me out !!!!

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 18:11:48 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Clean Kitchen

Dave - I dont believe I used the sarcasm emoticon (whatever it is) in the post below. I was just saying that even though I will be buying multiple copies, I am not going to be the first kid on the block to pre-order and miss out on any incentives.

Why would I buy multiple copies of the genuine article in this age of CD burners and MP3's? Besides the obvious reasons, (piracy=theft, supporting the artist, etc.) I have found that giving away the genuine article is a very friendly gesture to people who show an interest in the music. One evening I was picking up a prospective client for dinner before a major sales presentation and I had 2vN in the CD changer. He commented on how he liked the music an who is it? So, I just gave him the CD - jewel box, liner notes and all. (So what if I had a couple of spares at home?) I won the deal and I could afford to by a LOT Steely Dan CDs. Did my little token gift swing the deal? Probably not, but the client never forgot it, and whenever we talk on the phone he always asks what is going on in the world of Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 17:33:53 ET
Posted by: Muddy (not Roger) Waters,

W1P- No offense but, Steely Dan has a new cd coming out and a tour to follow. I can't speak for anyone else here but, I personally don't care about Pink Floyd, let alone a Pink Floyd cover band
at this time...keep it on the yellow.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 17:23:04 ET
Posted by: Dave,

You mean you are only going to buy one copy, Firemop? ;-)

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 16:42:48 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Clean Kitchen

Attention all shoppers:

I wouldn't be so fast to pull the trigger on that order just yet. I recall that for 2vN there was a promotion associated with the pre-order, and to quote from the latest official SD newsletter:

"We are also given to understand that there will probably be some opportunity for you to preorder the CD (with some promotional incentive or another) in the future. We've also heard some muttering about something called a "Special Edition"'s all rather a mystery to us at this point, but you can keep tabs on the emerging details at"

Sure, I will be buying multiple copies - but if there are going to be incentives offered, I will wait and take full advantage.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 14:52:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work

My Bad!!!! I know I should click before I type or something like that - order the new CD here:

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 14:49:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work

Just released today in Rolling Stones -article about tour - nothing new:

I got an update from Pollstar today - most of the dates are listed.

Interesting - the release date is now just two months away but you still can't pre order on, etc. Seems to me for TAN you could pre order way in advance.

SueDave - Seattle is too far to drive. I've got to save my vaction for the August dates. Wish I could though.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 13:58:26 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

As promised, A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd has finally been released and is available to the general public. Go to AFFoPF features 30 tracks by 29 different artists including The Mike Keneally Band (Mike was with Frank Zappa and tours with Steve Vai), Graham Parker, Quetzal, and, of course, Which One's Pink? (Dogs and What Shall We Do Now?). I look forward to everyone's reaction to this project.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 13:48:11 ET
Posted by: It's True,

Mme- Sorry to say, but...Lucky has it.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 12:37:29 ET
Posted by: any minor dude, chicago

i was checking out the posts re bernard purdie and i wish my experience was as pleasurable. an instrumental soul band i play with shared the bill with bernard's band a few years ago and offered to let him sit in for a cover tune (we do almost all original stuff). he did the tune and proceeded to camp out for the whole rest of the set & refused to get up, took over the mic to tell the audience how great he was, and embarrass himself on the original tunes. his ego clearly disgraces his great pocket + jives with all the stories i've read about him claiming to play on a lot of records he didn't, like bitches brew.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 10:30:09 ET
Posted by: Rose Darlin', Dallas

Hey Little Wild One! Let's to to Tahoe!!!

Moray ... here's an excerpt from info I received from Harvey's. I believe the outdoor showroom must be new - I can't find any info on it. Also, I've called about ticket prices/availability and the phone rep has no information that "He's going to be there" Although she could not confirm ticket prices, she said the range is generally in the $55-$150 range.

"We currently have rooms available for your group July 27-30, 2003. Please anticipate a net rate of $149 per room, per night, single or double occupancy, plus 10% room tax. Please note that the rate listed is based upon a three-night minimum stay. Additionally, our rates can fluctuate based upon availability.

Rose Darlin, I checked with our Entertainment Department regarding collateral material for the Steely Dan Concert. We are in the process of finalizing our Summer Concert Series and will have collateral material completed in the near future. If you have any specific concert related questions please feel free to contact Lesley Overfield, Entertainment Coordinator, Harrah's/Harveys Lake Tahoe at Tickets can also be purchased through 1-800-HARRAHS.

If we can be of any assistance in helping you with accommodations for your group or if you have any questions, please call us at 1-800-235-6358."

I'm waiting to hear from Lesley ... I'll keep you all posted.

Love the idea of "Blue Book Danfest"!


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 05:50:40 ET
Posted by: tones, "I can't keep up with you no more..."

lp - aww... you came out of lurkdom for me? Cool beans! Hi... yep, I bounce around the cyber dan-world, picking my spots... I'd hate to miss anything...

Mme Erzulie - yes of course... "...*your* soul". I missed that and a whole slew of other typos. See, thing is I can barely work this keyboard, let alone type while allegedly working *and* reliving the trauma of the experience...


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 04:01:11 ET
Posted by: C @ W,

Jan Garbarek (Norwegian) played the sax on the Jarret song, it's pretty much just a rip off.

Nowdays Keith Jarret is credited as a co-composer for the song Gaucho.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 03:10:33 ET
Posted by: translator,

Keith Jarrett, Ben.

"Long As You Know You're Living Yours," I believe.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 03:00:41 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Peking

db: Certainly!

Jesse: Right on the mark again. For me, dancing, or grooving, is a way to heighten the live experience, and has very little to do with an independent wish to dance. But when I hear really groovy music, it's just impossible to sit still. However, I NEVER speak loudly during concerts. That is totally disrespectful and offensive, and is a cross insult to both the artists and your fellow concertgoers. Of course, if there's a designated place for those who can't sit still(should be up front:), all the better, but if not, what can you do?

And I believe the song is called "Monkey in YOUR soul"...

LUCKY BASTARD: Still, nothing you couldn't have made up. This song is the best, "attention all shoppers", nothing of this proves beyond doubt that you've heard anything.

Anyway, it seems like we'll be getting some soundclips and other samples in the time ahead, at least judging by ODP.

MAILMAN: You mean it's confirmed that they won't be touring Europe at all this time around? Please say it ain't so!

Finishing off with some words of wisdom: you don't have to dance for me, I've seen your dance before

Mme Erzulie

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 01:43:23 ET
Posted by: Ben, San Francisco

Hopefully someone who knows the answer to my question will read my meager little posting amongst all of the chatterings over the recent tour announcement.

I read a while ago that Steely Dan was sued once for copyright infringement for the song Gaucho. At the time I read this, I searched for the accuser's song and it did indeed sound like the intro to Gaucho. I think SD won the suit however.

Does anyone know the artist and/or song name that the suit was based on? Please email me the answer!


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 01:31:11 ET
Posted by: moray eel, other caption

oleander: Circumstances have changed and I'm afraid that the "time share" will not be available this year. There is always hope for the future.

In the meantime, I am interested in a possible "Bluebook" gathering in Tahoe. Can someone give me some information on Harvey's Outdoors? Capacity? Sound? Expected ticket prices?


Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 01:23:45 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

mod, I don't think you get it. You are putting people who dance in the same category as people who talk through the whole show. Just like you, if anyone around me is talking loudly for more than 30 seconds, I'll tell them to shut the fuck up. That story about the Concord Pavilion is horrible. I think the people who talk are the ones who are sitting down, and not paying attention to the show.

After reading people's posts, I've found out that there are people who genuinely like Steely Dan's music as much as me, who, for some reason I don't know, prefer to sit, even during "Peg". That is why I have decided that I will make a sincere effort to make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view. I'm going to make sure I get good seats, so I won't go to the lawn (I've seen people throwing beer bottles at people who are standing on the lawn at a Guess Who & Joe Cocker show)!! I think the very front seems like the best place to be for people who want to dance. Two years ago at Paul Simon I was in the 8th row, and I wanted to dance but I didn't want to block people's view, so I went to the front with a crowd of a few dozen people, and everything was cool. That's great to hear about that comment Walter made at Alpine Valley.

To YGK, I sort of see what you mean. Dizzy Gillespie, when told that bebop sucks because you can't dance to it, said that you could dance to it, if you really tried. Jazz does make me move a little, but it's usually just nodding my head and tapping my foot. Especially something soulful like Cannonball Adderley, or Blakey, but it's not something I would get up and shake my ass to like "Green Earrings". That's not to say that Steely Dan moves me more than Cannonball, because I can dance to them.

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 01:00:53 ET
Posted by: suedave, out here in the western world

Hey BigFan! I'm still alive and kickin' - some of us in Seattle will be heading downtown to see Larry Carlton this Saturday - why don't you join us? Gotta warn you though, we'll be grooving, not dancing....Sign up for the Seattle (and Gorge) list at

One of the Meadows shows I attended, I took the intermission wait for bathroom and beer, and when I finally made it back to the show, the show had started, it was dark, and I'd lost my spouse. As I looked around for him near our rendevous spot, I realized the sound was much better out in the grass than in our seats sooooooo, after checking for him at our seats I returned to the grass - went all the way to the back of the venue - way up high, by the fence, where there was a bit of grass under my feet, and woohoo, met some new fans, we smoked, we danced, it was great. And it sounded so much better. When you dance, dance with the dancers!

And when you have great seats - groove with the crowd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maybe we'll see you this summer!

Date: Tues, April 08, 2003, 00:22:27 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, @syracuseis#1baby

Hey in here

coming out of lurkdom to say hi to Tones, great story - so this is where you went, lol!

at Tweeter in Manchester, Mass, where I've seen all the tours, it seems automatic that people rise to their feet, whether under the tent or on the lawn

I would prefer to sit, to take it all in, as someone indicated below, but it's not worth raising a stink about it...

one year, we scored second row seats for a sd show and people even stand down there, surprisingly...

anyway, hope to see you partying in the parking lot down in Massachusetts and at the NYS Fair...

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 21:11:37 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home Snowbound - Again

Some thoughts on the official SD page announcements - not all of the tickets are going to be Ticketmaster venues - the Mohegan Sun is a arena. Are there any other venues that won't be sold by Ticketmaster.

Boy I love state fairs - would love to go to the NY one - here's the ticket for sale info for that show:

Tickets for the Cingular Wireless Concert Series at the Grandstand go on sale at 10:00 a.m., Saturday, June 21 at the New York State Fair Box Office presented by fye (For Your Entertainment), all Ticketmaster outlets, Charge-By-Phone and Ticketmaster online ( The purchase of concert tickets in advance of the Fair allows free admission to the Fair on the day of the show. All first day ticket sales at the Fair Box Office presented by fye are cash only.

No mention of our deadly duo in it though.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 20:45:05 ET
Posted by: Dr. Warren Kruger, The Couch

I dont care if people dance - just not in front of me. And while at the show, please STFU so as not to mess up my bootleg recordings. Thank you, please drive through.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 20:32:45 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco at the moment

Dancing in front of me and obstructing my view is HIGHLY annoying! If you want to dance, please make sure that you aren't blocking anyone. Everyone enjoys shows differently so just keep that in mind. Implying that I don't feel the same way about D&W because I experience it in my own way is short-sighted and frankly pretty un-cool.


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 20:14:12 ET
Posted by: Rebus Affair, LA LA LA


If Steely Dan hates dancing at their shows so much, mod, then why did Fagen tell the audience they could dance at some of the shows? And how about Alpine Wis. 96 when the Deadhead spinners showed up to dance across the front and Walter asked the security to leave them alone. Of course, there's Hoops' own unique style of dancing, but I hear Hoops has given it up as a form of graceful middle agedness. So if you see Hoops stand up in a show this year, he's probably just adjusting a wedgey in his shorts. Come to think of that, maybe that's what Hoops' dancing has been about all along. I really hate it when people stand up at a show and adjust their wedgey. Don't you?

As far as I am concerned, only supermodel-level women should be allowed to dance, assuming they have filed for and been granted the proper dancing permit by Becker and Fagen themselves.

Maybe it's been mentioned, but the LA Times has complete coverage of Warner Brothers' watermark technology for protecting recordings from pre-release. Here's why we should protest: They use Linkin Park as the example. Write the editor now and tell'em to talk about Steely Dan's next one instead.

It says Warner Brother's water mark is "Mission Impossible" top secret security. Based on the posts here, someone should write the LA Times and say its been cracked. That could get the next watermake article to focus on Steely Dan.

WOH parody. Good stuff!

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 19:47:52 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, standing on my chair dancin' to Peg

I thought the whole dancing issue ran its course back in 2k. I'm all for expression but with consideration. It was easy at the Milwaukee show, everyone was up from Peg through the encore. In Chicago the next day however, the dancers were few and far between. I had to get up during Peg again, but I was almost alone. So I had at it for about half of the song then I was POLITELY asked to sit down by a couple behind me and I did. No harm, no foul. I can't imagine anyone not being 'moved by Peg', but hey, it takes all kinds. I managed to make it down to the 7th row in Detroit for the encore and everyone was up and moving there. Why can't we all just get along? Use some common courtesy and everyone can be happy!

Working on the logistics for either doing Portland and The Gorge or Saratoga Springs and another date out east. I'd like to know what people thought of the Saratoga Springs PAC. That's looking like the best possiblity. Anyone who may have been there in 2k or for any other shows, I'd appreciate you're opinions.

I may have to work a deal with the devil to make the Chicago show. Work schedule may not allow it. Hopefully leg II of the tour will stop in Milwaukee again, it was great finally having them in my hometown.

Peace, Love and Dan.

Kid Clean

p.s. hey Earthbound, how the hell ya been?

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 19:32:57 ET
Posted by: t, embarrassed...

Sorry.. recently self-trained typist with no spellcheck...

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 19:29:00 ET
Posted by: tones,

I've got a Dan concert horor story, for those who care to read...

I went to the Concord Pavillion (pre-corporate name) here in Cailornia for the last tour. I went solo, which I really enjoyed, not having to wait for someone or make sure they were on time... Anyway, I'm there, sitting on the lawn digging the music they were pumping through the system before the boys came out, and there were two guys sitting next to me who had obviously done their share of tailgating before the show. The guy closest to me was no problem, but his buddy on the other side was chatting up everybody around him. The problem was, he didn't stop talking after the concert started! Just *loudly* babbling to, no *at* the people around him through the first 4 or 5 songs!

We finally got some relief when he and his pal got up to buy more beer... and on his way back the drunker of the two almost satr on a couple of people he thought they had originally sat next to...

It get's worse: the boys start into "Monkey in My Soul," one of my all-timers, and after checking out the scene, I decided to sneak a toke, being real careful not to call attention to myself or bother anyone around me with second-hand smoke. Unfortunately the drunkest of the two saw me and shouted at the top of his "Hey! Pass it over here! Hey...!" I tried to ignore him as he shouted, "Looks like he too good to share is stash!" or something to that effect, then thinking there was some possible way I just didn't hear him, he moved over next to me and literally shouted at the side of my head!. I stared straight ahead and tried to let the song take me away from this craziness, not wanting to let this asshole make me miss this great arrangement. Finally he got bored and went back to his place. As song broke down into the band intros, I leaned over to his friend and said, "Tell your friend if he wasn't so obvious maybe I'd share some with him." He told his drunk friend, who to his credit came over and apologized, and said that he just having a good time and that he really didn't know who the Dan was; his friend had brought him along and it was his first time at a concert in 10 years, and I told him that I'd been waiting all year to see this show and not to hear someone yelling at the side of my head. He apologized again, and we shared a bowl between the three of us, As I tried to get back into what was left of the song, he friend (the "quiet" one) turned to me and said, "So where are you from?" The song ended...

What a nightmare!

The night got better though because the tokes mellowed Mr. Belligerent out enough so that he finally shut up and the rest of us could finally enjoy the show. Some of the people in my general area were very appreciative...

So see, a few honest-to-goodness dan fans getting their groove on might not be so bad in comparison.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 19:21:42 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chi-town

Oh yeah,

When I said I'd be dancing at these shows, I didn't mean Elaine Benis style. I'm much too cool for that. I meant that I'd be vibing and dancing on the *inside*. I don't even dance to the Dan at home. They are too much a sight to behold to concentrate on anything else.
So, to Dad and/or NO MORE MR NICE GUY, if there's some loud, beer swillin', weed smoking, loud-mouth messing up my vibe, I'll be helping you f#@! them up. We can take turns. One can hold 'em down while the other gives 'em a WWE smackdown. That's what we smart, cool Steely Dan fans do.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 19:02:21 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @work

Official confirmation of the FUNNEL CAKE AND BOYS IN THE BUS TOUR on the ODP
on the ODP.


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 18:55:45 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, West of the United Center


Are Lucky Bastard and Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf the same person???

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 18:45:59 ET
Posted by: mod,

Hey you stupid hippie inconsiderate fucks!

It is not possible to dance and still completely appreciate steely dan music (lord knows i've tried)

So, if you are not there to appreciate but just to boogie your ass down to the groovy tunes after smoking your little bong - PLEASE - THAT IS WHAT THE LAWN TICKETS ARE FOR!!! HEY DO WHAT EVER THE HELL YOU WANT OUT THERE. BUILD A BONFIRE- SACRIFICE A VIRGIN - I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

Moreover, if you are in front of me standing or anywhere near me and talking loudly nonstop or spilling beer, i'm going to fuck you up big time. NO MORE MR NICE GUY.

I've always thought steely dan fans had some cool, some smarts, but how did we get the earl & patchuli dancer coalition messing our vibe?

Support the Hoops!


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 18:22:02 ET
Posted by: ,

Official Dan Page Update has occurred!


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 18:00:19 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

Sorry Peg, they still stink. Stink somethin' terrible.

They also twirl, sneak cans of Busch Light into shows, and they never tip.

Self-righteous, indignant, rich kids.

Baghdad falls, Krause retires, and SD tour dates in the same week? Looks like I have some reconciliation due with my maker. And my Maker's Mark.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the United Center is the biggest venue on the tour. I don't recognize any other enormodomes, they hold 24k for hoops/hockey, with a few more thousand for shows on the floor.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 18:00:10 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Hey Mailman .....................

Don't you mean Break ???????????????????????????

Developing .................

Joey !

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 17:21:17 ET
Posted by: Mailman, usa

db...Hate to brake to you but... I hear Steely Dan is only playing the states this tour. Say hello to Clas anyway.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 17:05:31 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago

PS: I'll be dancing at those shows this summer!

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 17:02:25 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Chicago

Hello Steely Dan Fans

This is my very first post. I've been reading for a long time, but too shy to post, but that's over now! I got the news of the tour today, (I'm always late on these things, somehow)and the most amazing thing is that the Chicago show at the United Center on 8/8 just happens to be on my birthday?! There could never be a better present!

I always get introspective in Steely Dan touring years, and never at any other time, for some reason. When I look back on my life and I think about my most treasured moments, they always occur in this order:

College Graduation
'93-'00 Steely Dan Tours
Becoming a lifelong Steely Dan fanatic
Hearing Aja for the first time
Winning first place in the Chicago State Fair for my prize steer

That's the top five. Okay I made that last one up, but you get my drift, right? Steely Dan is Steely Dan wherever they perform. If state fairs were good enough for the Duke Ellington Orchestra, they're good enough for the Dan. Even though they aren't the most ideal venues, don't the people who attend them deserve to let the Dan create treasured memories for them too? Just a thought.


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 16:52:51 ET
Posted by: little wild one, on the bandwagon

The Parody: I'm laughing my ass off over that WOH re-post! (And,in that connection, I guess the good news is mebbe there will be less of it to shake in someone's face later this year.) TFS!

The Question: To dance or not to dance. The Answer: Surround yourself with true Blue (or yellow) DanFans and form a coalition. The AR's of the world can't take us all on and win. Actually, I'm somewhere in the middle of this debate, since I'm guilty of dancing and singing, but still have shock and awe moments when the sensory experience prevails.

The Tour: I echo hoops--so few vacation days, so many family deals to plot around. BUT, as we all know, the airlines need your bid-ness, so fly low, but often.

Rose Darlin' - we need to talk, girl! I'm still standin' even though I haven't heard from my Babylon Sistas here in ages.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 16:47:56 ET
Posted by: Uday, heads up

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 16:37:53 ET
Posted by: db,

I'm LMAS at all your ''ohhhh what show to see'' comments.
Here in the UK we should get at least 4-6 not more than a 3 hr drive.
Then there's Europe, not more than a couple of hours flight away.

I may even fly over to see them in stockholm !!!
(clas will put me up)

Mme Erzulie
May I have the first dance please wherever :)

Gina: I'll see you in Rotterdam.


very happy

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 16:32:11 ET
Posted by: et al Jazeera, attention all shoppers

ODP down at 16:31.
Just me?
ODP update?

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 16:15:31 ET
Posted by: Peg, still twirling after all these years

Hiya. Went to a John Scofield show last night and happened to read the stamp on my hand: "Clear Channel Entertainment." Yeesh. Guess you cannot avoid them completely. So then is it really true that none of the locales for the SD tour are Clear Channel places? (Sorry if I missed a previous post to affirm or deny this...) BTW Scofield was awesome.

Which leads to my next point about dancing. KD, "Damn dirty hippies" no longer exist. That was the 1960s and early 70s. In 2003, they are "lighthearted, sometimes bearded, never stinky (unless outside in summer), almost always male (the gals make their own skirts) appreciators of fine jams." So let them be. You probably used to be their age, too. Without them, great legends like Scofield would not have the audience they do today. Think of him and the many others, for example, Charlie Hunter, who are able to make a better living playing to the jam circuit.

A month ago I suggested in this forum that the 2003 tour be at places with plenty of room to dance in front of the stage. It's just keeping up with the times to do so! Even if they don't do long jams. I agree with shakin the booty when the spirit moves, too, and was very disppointed that there was no room to do so at the last SD concert....only a few lucky souls up front were able to.

Last point: Anybody else out there planning on a Minneapolis/Chicago/Columbus Trifecta? Or just a Minn./Chi bifecta? Please let me know. It's working on me bigtime. (For those of you not familiar with the XCEL Center -- it's indoors.) And Hoopsie, please say there will be a party and I will show up. :) Peace!

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 15:52:22 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Jazz not meant for dancing? Well, that's a heap of a generalization........some jazz is naturally more cerebral, and therefore conducive to pleasureable, pensive 6th ear awareness.
Yet other surely moves the body, and is worthy of movement.........

The thing is, one cannot pre-determine how another should interpret the music, and if it moves you to move your body, well, then, by all means.

I can also understand the counter argument, about being in the way.........but I think we have a simple case of mutual consideration............


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 15:47:45 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'm surprised at the reaction towards people who want to be up during the shows. I thought it was only the people who don't care that sit down. So, just to clear things up, are there real actual Steely Dan fans who prefer sitting down during the entire show, for whatever reason, be it old age, broken legs, etc.? I know how you feel, as I go to jazz clubs a few times a week, and whenever people get up and dance, it pisses me off, not because they're blocking my view, but because it's inappropriate. However, the difference is, that music is not meant for dancing, while some Steely Dan is. Anyway, I would like to know the answer to my question.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 12:53:39 ET
Posted by: Ooops!,

Sorry Big Fan, I was talking about dancing.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 12:50:05 ET
Posted by: C & W,

It's like Sex then? If everybody's okay, you're not hurting anyone, no one is forcing you etc etc... ?

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 12:08:43 ET
Posted by: Big Fan , at work - snowing again

SueDave - is this Seattle SueDave? Not to be confused with the other Seattle Sue - Sue Bird.

Well I'll lived in CT for 23 years - we have the first and third largest cassinos in the world here and I've never been to either. Now they are as far away and still be in the state from my house as possible, but still I've never been there. I've tried for concert tickets to Mohegan Sun - at the big areana, not the free one many times but with no luck unless you want nose bleed areana seats. So I've wanted to go, but have never gotten tickets. I've seen every Dan show in CT and I'll be danned if I don't see this one. It does work out to be a good night for my wife and I to go. Maybe we can get rid of the kids and get a room. Now that I'm at work and can sit and plan - Greatwoods - or whatever it is now is out - it's a Saturday of a big BMX race here. Too bad - all of the shows there have been excellent - the band seems to to always be fired up there. But that New Hampshire date looks good - it was built in 2000. Could you believe seeing them two times in the same year indoors?. The Saratoga PAC looks good also. This would be three new venues for me which would be excellent. Always up for new things.

Truly though - you are too lucky - The Gorge - the best place on Earth to see a concert - you guys have it made!!!!!

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 11:25:27 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @work - but not for long

Everything must haiku

The Tour Now Dated
Leg one poised to stride out west
And so for step two?

Tour plans will abound
Tickets jealously fought for
Brings the Dan Fall Tour

Autumn Gold edition
Best from The Best expected
Europe waits in hope

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 11:14:22 ET
Posted by: Inmate Lucky Bastard,

Lucky Bastard - you are a REAL asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't ruin it for the rest of us!

WHERE THE HELL IS THE WEBDRONE - shut this A-hole up!

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 10:07:25 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA


As for dancing at concerts, I for one am all for dancing - so long as youre not obstructing the view of others who wish to sit, watch and listen to the band. Part of the fun at a concert is being able to express your enjoyment of the music, but just as it's not fair to ask someone not to dance, it's also not fair to impose your will on others either. When there's a designated dance area up front or off to the side, it's best for everybody.

The only time something like this was an issue for me, the party in question who wished to dance around directly in front of us and thus obstructing our view and the view of others for a sizeable portion of the show ended up being o.k.; I mean they did need some oxygen for a while, but once the water in their lungs was coughed up, they were alright. Being submerged in a nearby pond with multiple cinderblocks tying you down can be pretty hairy, but even after something like eight minutes, they held it together and managed to walk away relatively well, if a little shaken. Besides, eight minutes was only about a quarter of the time they blocked our view; luckily this wasn't a Steely Dan concert. Enjoy the tour and perhaps we'll see you there-

Randy /

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 09:01:32 ET
Posted by: fezo,, vantzcantdance

ole, you mean those retentive NoVa's who were sitting next to us at Nissan?

I've always felt their overall uptightness greatly outweighed any damage caused by your spontaneous declarations of enjoyment of our heroes.

I mean shit, it's a concert, as long as the guy in the next seat isn't hurling on your shoes or the person in front isn't conducting a solitary standing ovation through three consecutive songs, all's fair.

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 03:32:10 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, as long as you go where I go

I just gotta voice my support for Jesse in this.

I mean, some tunes are just meant to be danced to. And we who still possess our youth deserve the right to exercise that privilege. As I'm a european resident (first time in a while I've WANTED to live in the U.S.), I probably won't be going to the same shows as you, Jesse, but I sure as hell will get up and dance when songs like the ones you mentioned, plus almost every other song except maybe Midnite Cruiser, Brooklyn and Dirty Work, are played.

Man, if you're too old and arthritis-ridden to dance during a live show, you have no place in a rock concert. That's my take, anyway.
I'll bang you silly and leave a nasty bite.

And Steely Dan better do a europe tour, seeing as I managed to miss them when they played in my hometown in 2000 (I still carry bruises from beating myself over that one).

I'll teach you everything I know
If you teach me how to do that dance
Mme Erzulie

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 01:45:35 ET
Posted by: suedave, here in the western world

When I received the email after sleeping in on a glorious Saturday morning, I felt special that they'd sent the note to me and haven't yet posted it on the website - like it is our special secret ;)

Then, I had to print the email out so I could figure out which shows I might be able to swing based on their location and day of the week - it became my Saturday morning bible! Fortunately I get to think about it for a while to figure out the best plan because it isn't going to be easy to choose. I do love Tahoe though....

The get up/sit down dilemma is back - its a tough one. I've been to shows at a local winery - who has a special dancing area set off to the side. Seems to me like the best option for everyone is for those who need to move to find an appropriate place to do it, and accept the fact it may not be close - which is ok as long as the music is loud enough!

What's worse than being behind someone who is excited about the music is being behind someone who doesn't give a shit about it except for that one hit song....what was the name of it man?

Big Fan, hey! So nix on the Mohegan Sun show?

Yes Moray Eel - thanks for the repost, lol!


Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 00:24:44 ET
Posted by: Bill, The Great Beyond

I was seriously thinking of landing a hangglider on stage at
the Jones Beach show and pounding a few keys with Donald.
Any suggestions what would be the best song to do this in?

I was thinking "Surf and/or Die" but I'm not sure they'll do that

Date: Mon, April 07, 2003, 00:03:45 ET
Posted by: Old Fart,

Jesse- No, the song is about YOU! Now go listen to what oleander just said. Go sit back down in your seat and enjoy the show.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 22:25:43 ET
Posted by: oleander, California dreaming

mo-RAY--Hey man! What about that timeshare come tour time? I missed that parody--thanks, it's hilarious.

Jesse--I tend to be a seat-bopper. I think if you put me & Hoops! next to each other, the whole row of seats would capsize by intermission. At one concert in '00 my neighbors asked me to stop, but I just couldn't and they moved. I still feel bad about it. It's fine to groove and celebrate, but you can do it where you won't be impeding someone ELSE's celebration of their favorite group. That's bad karma, and I won't do it to anyone else again. Having a great ticket is the best of all possible worlds--you can sit and see the hairs on their fingers, or move over to a handy aisle and dance, or go back to the lawn and flail around to your heart's content.

Big Ed--E me when you're done. And roll out the futon! I'll be there.

Still no mention of tour dates/venues on the touring page at the ODP.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 22:14:34 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Moray Eel, the difference between me and Mr. Dias is that he was talking during the entire encore. I am going to make sure nobody talks to me during the music, as I don't want to miss a single thing. By the way, that's just a joke about Denny, right?

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 22:10:38 ET
Posted by: Pretty Much The Truth,

You're not Irving Azoff because you would know the "Steely Dan is unmanagable" comment was made by Irving in reference to Craig Fruin no longer being their manager.

Azoff hasn't managed Steely Dan in years but he was the head of Giant Records, Steely Dan's label, until he sold his 50% share to WB Records in 2001.

After leaving Giant, Irving started managing again. Irving Azoff and Peter Asher are both said to have current managing relationships with The Dan. Steely Dan does not confirm this at their website, however.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 21:25:02 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

A more than blatant Dan reference on tonight's episode of "Malcolm In The Middle". They're cleaning out their garage, and Hal finds a radio transmitter which he used in college to broadcast his pirate radio station under the name "Kid Charlemagne".

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 21:12:09 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

Also, another dancing danger: you don't want to be confused with a twirling, damn dirty hippie.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 20:42:33 ET
Posted by: Irving Azoff, Iggles' Nest

Poison Dwarf: In 2001 I called them "unmanageable" and parted ways with Steely Dan. Moved to "greener" pastures - the Backstreet Boys!

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 20:42:05 ET
Posted by: Irving Azoff, Iggles' Nest

Poison Dwarf: In 1991 I called them "unmanageable" and parted ways with Steely Dan. Moved to "greener" pastures - the Backstreet Boys!

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 19:32:12 ET
Posted by: moray eel, California, Nevada, Illinois, Michigan?

The current discussion reminded me of one of my all time favorite posts. This was posted by Heartbroken in Hollywood on June 14, 2000 to the yellow book. To the tune West of Hollywood:

West Of Hollywood: set last night at the LA show

Patron in tears
Look at that ignoramus
dancing all the way from Boston Rag thru Babylon
we were fourth row
he was front and center
just a sneer away from punching through to his jutting brow
It started out bad, never got much better
breaking all the rules as he sang along
with behavior like this
can I get a refund!

I'd found work as a human pretzel
craning my neck at the Steely Dan concert in Hollywood

Yelling so hard
he talked right through the encore
till security arrived and walked him out to the aisle
from the 'Deacon Affair' to the 'Dad in New York City'
faces and events seen above the concession line
and now at this time into our whiny story
remorse compells me to bring a certain name
meet if you will

I found work as a human pretzel
craning my neck at the Steely Dan concert in Hollywood

I launched out with my hands
as I watched myself fall across the chairs
and I almost got there, O, almost got there, almost got there

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 18:47:45 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Thanks KD. I'll definitely talk to the people in my area before the show starts. That's a great idea. Also, I think the people I'm referring to may not be losers, but they, they're losers. They are just there to have a pleasant evening with nice relaxing background music while they chat and sit on their blankets. They could care less if it's Steely Dan or Styx playing. I'm going to see my favourite band who I've been eagerly waiting to see for several years, and I want the whole experience. I don't want to sit still during "Peg". "Peg" is one of many exciting tunes Steely Dan plays that are meant to be danced, as well as listened to.

Hey White Guy With Bad Hair, here's my response to your insults: I have my youth, and you don't!! I'm going to enjoy my Steely Dan concert, thank you very much, and once that rhodes intro to "Kid Charlemagne" starts up, I will be on my feet, with my ass crack being shaken right in your face. Thank you White Guy, because where before I was concerned that I would be blocking people's view, now I know that they're all assholes who don't give a shit, so I will be happy to block their view while I have the time of my life seeing my favourite band.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 16:45:39 ET
Posted by: Joey,

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is great news ..................I just love this site !

See everyone at the August 4th DanFest in Denver at the Beautiful and Breathtaking Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre !

This one is a MUST for all ........................Trust Me !

{{{{{{{{ JOEY }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 16:29:07 ET
Posted by: Poison Dwarf,

Yo ARE Steely Dan's manager, and you DID book them at state fairs and casinos. I guess you didn't get the memo.....

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 15:34:47 ET
Posted by: johnny,

while it's a major rush/relief to finally have concrete dates, i'm bummed that they've chosen to play the united center again - dammit! in my opinion, the whole dan scene comes across better in a more aesthetically pleasing environment - in other words, outdoors. i was hoping for maybe grant park or tweeter...i'd have preferred an outdoor shed, clear channel or no.

no st. louis again...while i consider stl a bum market for shows (it's amazing how many acts skip it), i thought they might book there since they passed over the area in 2000. i'm smack between stl and chicago, so it's between a shitty venue or no show at all, so the choice is simple. it's just disappointing that's the same choice for the 2nd straight tour.

i suppose there's hope for a second leg...i'm somewhat confident that there will be, considering there are no southern shows scheduled. i guess they could just add a few dates rather than another leg. we'll see...fingers crossed.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 13:35:00 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt,

He said, You must be joking son where did you get those shoes?

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 13:26:11 ET
Posted by: Irving Azoff,

If I were still managing, there would be no state fairs and the album would have been released already...and Lucky would be wearing concrete shoes, if you catch my drift.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 11:59:26 ET
Posted by: Lucky Bastard,

To: Doubting Hoops, Just Wondering, proof et al.

The first line of the album is "Attention all shoppers". The last line is "Everything Must Go."

The Walter Becker track is 'Slang Of Ages' and features a superb pun about Holland.

'Godwhacker' is about exactly what the title suggests.

Following the example of the last two albums, the main horn track is Everything Must Go. Which, on reflection, is the best track.

The album lasts 47 minutes and can't remember how many seconds.

It's even better than I suggested in the previous posts.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 11:24:23 ET
Posted by: A white guy with bad hair,

Hey Jesse and KD...
Listen you two little punks! When these guys start playing this tour, I want both of you to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up! I'm paying $75.00 for a ticket and I want to see the band... not the crack of your fucking ass! Oh yeah....don't start singing the songs louder than Fagen. I paid to hear him...not you!

Long live the 70's!

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 08:46:50 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

And, J, one more thing ...

'Losers' they ain't. Anyone who follows this glorious duo and pays for a ticket deserves to enjoy the concert however they want to. I'm hoping to see two shows this summer, and chatting up the cats surrounding me ("is it cool if I do this?") before the band starts up.

I figure, if they get to smoke pot or other things, than I should get the chance to give 23 standing O's to Don and Walt.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 05:35:00 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi


Any news is good news, even if it means The Two playing in a place (United Center) where I've spent way too much time writing good articles about crappy basketball teams.

hey Jesse,

we went through this last tour. I (22 now, 20 then) wanted to get up and show my respect for my musical heroes. Guys with ponytails in back of me wanted to sit. There's no real right answer, you're just going to have to pick and choose your spots, taking advantages of aisles when the security (and white guys with bad hair) aren't watching.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 03:56:15 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

One thing I absolutely loath at rock concerts, where the audience is mostly middle-aged, is that if there's an upbeat song, and I want to stand up and maybe dance, most of the time, people behind me are sitting on their fat ass, and they yell at me to sit down. Once, they even got the security to make me sit down, AND it was during Santana's "Jingo"!! To make matters worse, when I did sit down, everyone clapped. WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS! Anyway, my question is, are there particular venues on this upcoming tour, where this tends to happen, and are there venues, where there are cool fans who know that "Peg", "Green Earrings", "Glamour Profession", etc, are meant to be danced to? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Date: Sun, April 06, 2003, 00:01:21 ET
Posted by: Bill, TheGreatBeyond

Many of the dates seems strange indeed.
Thank God they're still playing Jones Beach Amphitheater which rocks!
Oh sorry...I didn't mean to rub it in.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 23:07:56 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @paso robles and other shed's

I'm reading Pattern Recognition right now.
I will be ready to discuss shortly



Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 22:56:37 ET
Posted by: oleander, the mark of cain

Has anyone read Gibson's latest, "Pattern Recognition"? Re Knows More/Better's comments about digital watermarking--this technology plays a significant part in the plot. Life imitates art...or something....

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 22:21:32 ET
Posted by: Patty Salazaar, Albany, New York

Hi everyone!

I'm excited that there are plenty of dates on the east coast. There never been this many Steely Dan shows in the northeast.

Am I the only one who thinks the tour dates are not the only unusual thing? Isn't it kind of odd that Steely Dan's touring page isn't updated with the dates? Also, the newsletter says to watch poll-star for on sale dates. Last tour, had the on-sale dates. With the unusual venue list, maybe the the new management is more hands off taking care of the website as well. I hope this doesn't mean no pre-sale dates to us fans. The bit about them not knowing about the premium CD packaging for EMG is also weird. Maybe the record company is running it all and Steely Dan is taking a back seat.

Just some thoughts, paranoid ones at that.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 22:21:26 ET
Posted by: Patty Salazaar, Albany, New York

Hi everyone!

I'm excited that there are plenty of dates on the east coast. There never been this many Steely Dan shows in the northeast.

Am I the only one who thinks the tour dates are not the only unusual thing? Isn't it kind of odd that Steely Dan's touring page isn't updated with the dates? Also, the newsletter says to watch poll-star for on sale dates. Last tour, had the on-sale dates. With the unusual venue list, maybe the the new management is more hands off taking care of the website as well. I hope this doesn't mean no pre-sale dates to us fans. The bit about them not knowing about the premium CD packaging for EMG is also weird. Maybe the record company is running it all and Steely Dan is taking a back seat.

Just some thoughts, paranoid ones at that.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 17:00:33 ET
Posted by: S.,

Actually, a Holiday Inn tour would be quite intimate.

There was mention of a major convergence Danfest.

Yeah, TAHOE!

Scenic. Plenty of accomodations. Plenty of liquor and slots. And Steely Dan. YEAH.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 16:58:20 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers,

Another Chris Potter newspaper story, as he travel eastward across Pennsylvania...

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 15:22:23 ET
Posted by: Steely Sam,

Glad to hear there's going to be shows, but, BLLLLLECCCCCHHHHHH! What kind of venues are these? I understand wanting to avoid Clear Channel sheds but why stop at state fairs? Why don't they play Holiday Inn lounges across america? What a hop-scotch schedule. And it's not that I'm against state fairs as some sort of underclass kind of venue. IT'S THE SOUND THAT SUCKS AT THESE PLACES!

Hey Rose Darlin, Tahoe is THE GIG to make! Yes, I'll be there!

Any word on the band?

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 14:49:28 ET
Posted by: Rose Darlin', Dallas

Tahoe in July is heaven on earth! Harvey's has the best room service blueberry pancakes on the planet. I have a few comps left to use at Harvey's and I'll be cashing in on July 27th ...

I've inquired about a room block and group rate ... if you're interested let me know. It's "high season" so it won't be cheap, but there are several motels and cottages surrounding the Harvey's property that might be quaint and cool.

My thoughts are just beginning to form around my midsummer vacation in beautiful Lake Tahoe! Hoops!, I'm counting on you to join us!

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 14:26:27 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home 1" of snow last night

OK about the tour wicked excited and bummed at the same time. Since they are playing Mohegan Sun in CT instead of The Meadows. MS is essentially a hockey basketball arena not much different than the Hartford Civic Center unless you sit close it sucks. Problem is the casino keeps the best tickets for the high rollers you cant get good seat no way no how, unless you buy from scalpers. Doesnt matter I'll go to that one. Based on early schedule look, I don't think the old Greatwoods is possible - Saratoga looks good.

How about Manchester, NH? I must say from an venue accustic standpoint this tour will be the least good -= worse than 1993 and Madison Square Garden and the Brendan Byrne (formally Continental) or is it the other way around thing in NJ.

Hopefully there will be an early ticket thing again for loyal Dan fans.

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 13:17:16 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @tour makes my summer hot damm

Costa Mesa - to the Gorge.....
and then I'm reading for the second leg..

Who's up for Paso Robles?

Walter,Donald and Santa Maria barbecue

Ed Terry and Lora

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 13:15:43 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Oh No!!!

Did someone say the tour that never ends?

Loosely based on my daughter's let's bug Dad song....

This is the tour that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friend
Someone started booking it not knowing what it was
And they'll go on booking it forever just because
This is the tour that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friend
Someone started booking it not knowing what it was
And they'll go on booking it forever because
This is the song tour never ends...

(Repeat until you scream...don't make me pull this car over!!!)

Hey Kids! We're going to Hershey PA for chocolate, fun rides and more chocolate!


And Steely Dan is at Hershey Park on August 20!!!


Mark in Boston

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 13:11:29 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA

"LC Fan / Houston, TX":

a. I never claimed to be an "authority" or "qualified to write the/a book on Larry Carlton"; I was merely attempting to help out an inquiry by a fellow poster;

b. As you have astutely noted, 1978 and 1986 are indeed not the same "era"; but as the live Larry Carlton album to which you are referring is "an import and hard to find," it would not be at all surprising for any given person (the party who asked about it in the first place) to possibly make a mistake about the album to which they were referring, now would it? Based on that statement ("hard to find"), more people might know about and thus be inclined to be asking about the 'Last Nite' album than the "import/hard to find" one now wouldn't they? You are certainly due to be showered with admiration for catching that said party was absolutely and unquestionably referring to the "import/hard to find" live album. Congratulations; sorry if I can only muster feigning the appearance of being impressed;

c. In reference to the "don't quit your day job" comment, thanks, but we're not interested in unsolicited advice about individual people or circumstances you know nothing about, but your attempt at a witty repartee was nearly enjoyed anyway-

Randy /

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 12:29:20 ET
Posted by: hoops,

It goes without saying that this is great news indeed!

Whoaaaa! Avalanche! I barely could find the actual SD Newsletter amongst all the people who had replied to last night's Digest saying, "Hey, waddaya mean? The tour dates HAVE been announced!"

First, let me be the first to admit the wrongness of my skepticism of the State Fair date. Mia Culpa! That said, it seems they are trying to avoid Clear Channel and the likes with this schedule. ("The likes" of Clear Channel venues would mean other Clear Channel venues and the rest of the Clear Channel venues, I suppose.) Still in Chicago, United Center will be the least evil of the big venues. Plus, since its just a 10 minute walk from UIC's Art & Architecture gallery, I'm hoping to secure the gallery earlier in the day for an exhibit of Steely Dan photos, etc. Always had this idea, we'll see. Plus we won't be stuck out in the burbs and have to trek downtown for post-show nightlife.

There's so many great venues on this list, and I have so many family, teaching and financial commitments. Those west coast dates like Gorge, Tahoe, and others sound delightful. Then there's those cities I have never seen the Dan in which could be perfect. And then my fav on the East coast, Jones Beach, not to mention most anything on Manhattan. And I'd love to plan to tour the southland. But reality beckons. ("Beckons?" lol) Not sure what ticket prices will be like and I sure hope United and American don't lose their frequent flier programs. Since last tour, I've had everything from my grocery purchases to paying for this site's hosting and more tied to frequent flyer programs.

Well, I'm giddy and I'm glad it's later in the summer and into the fall. First, I don't handle heat well and, I have never been completely sure why, but I've always found August through October to my months of Steely Affective Order. Without any rationality, maybe it strikes me as the time of the year many SD songs take place or something.

Now if Becker and Fagen could only be like Dylan and go on the tour that never ends.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 12:05:24 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Wooster, Ma

q- Re: The State Fair/casino gigs. I for one don't believe Donald and Walter are idiots. Though I think there manager is.

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 11:52:25 ET
Posted by: LC Fan, Houston, TX

Randy- Is 1978 and 1986 considered the same era? I just don't think you're qualified to write "the book" on Larry Carlton when you didn't even know that "Live in Japan" existed. Don't quit your day job Mr. Night/nite/knightfly.

Fruit Loops that!

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 11:37:42 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Today I Am Home in Oakland

Holy cow! I had a feeling we would hear this weekend. Are we going to get a chance for pre-sale again? Do you think?! Do you think?! Konocti is funky but the area is very pretty and I hear that the outdoor theatre is just fine. Hmm, do I want to go to Tahoe too? I think that I might! Will my 9 year old child be able to handle it two days in a row....?

Barely awake, but excited and happy!


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 11:19:10 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA

Yo, "Shame" dude, you sound like someone who can find something to belly-ache about regarding anything!

I don't care if they play in a subway - I'll be there.

That said, I've always been the one who has argued that they should be playing Performing Arts Centers, or even The Met, from an acoustic and ambience perspective, but it's their show and I'll watch them wherever they choose to play.

Shame on you for being such a Negative Girl...

Finally, maybe you need to do some checking on the net. Some of these are truly nice venues by most any standards. As for arenas - they are an evil of the system - what can you do! Roger Nichols has always dealt with it very well.
Do you think DF/WB are idiots or something???

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 11:03:04 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA

"LC Fan/Houston, TX": The 'Fruit Loops Music Research Award' goes to you for distinguishing one live Larry Carlton album containing Miles Davis' "So What" and "All Blues" from another live Larry Carlton album containing Miles Davis' "So What" and "All Blues." I humbly apologize for such a crass error, and submit that your snotty comment was fully and assuredly deserved; perhaps in the future I should consider whether even to attempt to assist by posting such wildly inaccurate information to this board.

Incidentally, the 1986 live Larry Carlton album's title does contain an alternate spelling, that being 'Last NITE' and not 'Last NIGHT' as indicated by you; don't worry, though; we know it wasn't intentional-

"Bodacious cowboys / such as your friend / will never be welcomed here..."
- Steely Dan, 'Gaucho'

Randy /

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 10:37:15 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban Streets

Rockin' Good News! The last show I was at, at the United Center was Springsteen.

(the State Fair gigs still floor me)

See ya at the DanFests and more!!!

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 10:32:54 ET
Posted by: What a Shame About, the tour......

Q- What's so "AWESOME" about this tour? 80% of these shows are at either State Fair's or casinos? I think Pia Zadora is opening up for them in Atlantic City.

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 10:31:34 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Can I safely assume that Leg II will come to Europe?



Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 08:48:01 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA


I'll see y'all at the first 4 shows!

Konocti Harbor is AWESOME! and Tahoe...what a dream!


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 04:50:12 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Man, think about it. Most Steely Dan tunes take place at around 3 a.m.

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 04:21:17 ET
Posted by: John Granatino, Dallas

Sheesh! Way too many people up after 3 a.m.!

I too was distressed by no southern dates until I thought who on earth would want to perform outdoors in Texas in August and I took note of the footnote that Sept-Oct dates are being considered.

This is shaping up to be a great year!

All best,

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 04:20:22 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

While we're on the subject. Is anyone going to do the entire tour? Being a relatively new fan, I have never seen them, and would like to see at least a few shows this tour. If anyone is going to be following the band, I could sure use a ride to a few shows. E-mail me.

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 04:08:43 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

AUGUST 14TH!!! I am so happy right now. I'm going to try and see maybe Syracuse, or other shows. WOO HOO!!!

Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 03:37:53 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattavegas

Okay, we were in 5 seconds of each other. See hoe great minds work.


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 03:36:42 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga


No dates anywhere in the south for leg one....damn. Gonna have to start plotting now. For those that haven't checked email...

Steely Dan's

[Leg I]

Date Location / Venue

7/23 Costa Mesa, CA / Orange County Fair
7/24 Paso Robles, CA / Mid-State Fair
7/26 Kelseyville, CA / Konocti Harbor
7/27 Tahoe, NV / Harvey's Outdoors
8/1 Portland, OR / Coliseum
8/2 Seattle, WA / Gorge Ampitheatre
8/4 Denver, CO / Fiddler's
8/7 Minneapolis, MN / XCEL Center
8/8 Chicago, IL / United Center
8/9 Columbus, OH / Schottenstein Center
8/11 Detroit, MI / Pine Knob
8/12 Cleveland, OH / Blossom Music Center
8/14 Toronto, Canada / Molson Ampitheatre
8/16 Boston, MA / Tweeter Center
8/17 Holmdel, NJ / PNC Bank Arts Center
8/19 Manchester, NH / Verizon Wireless Arena
8/20 Hershey, PA / Hershey Park
8/22 Wantagh, NY / Jones Beach
8/23 Philadelphia, PA / Tweeter Center
8/25 Uncasville, CT / Mohegan Sun Arena
8/27 Washington, D.C. / Nissan
8/29 Saratoga Springs, NY / Saratoga PAC
8/30 Atlantic City, NJ / Etess Arena at Taj Mahal
8/31 Syracuse, NY / New York State Fair

** All Dates are subject to change **

- Additional dates for Sept-Oct [Leg II] are currently
being considered. If and when this schedule is confirmed
we will send another Newsletter announcing those dates.

- Information about ticket on-sale dates can be tracked
through The Concert Hotwire Pollstar at
(search for "Steely Dan" in the upper left search box).

More news and info to come -- stay tuned!


Date: Sat, April 05, 2003, 03:36:08 ET
Posted by: Andy, Check your e-mail

7/23 Costa Mesa, CA / Orange County Fair
7/24 Paso Robles, CA / Mid-State Fair
7/26 Kelseyville, CA / Konocti Harbor
7/27 Tahoe, NV / Harvey's Outdoors
8/1 Portland, OR / Coliseum
8/2 Seattle, WA / Gorge Ampitheatre
8/4 Denver, CO / Fiddler's
8/7 Minneapolis, MN / XCEL Center
8/8 Chicago, IL / United Center
8/9 Columbus, OH / Schottenstein Center
8/11 Detroit, MI / Pine Knob
8/12 Cleveland, OH / Blossom Music Center
8/14 Toronto, Canada / Molson Ampitheatre
8/16 Boston, MA / Tweeter Center
8/17 Holmdel, NJ / PNC Bank Arts Center
8/19 Manchester, NH / Verizon Wireless Arena
8/20 Hershey, PA / Hershey Park
8/22 Wantagh, NY / Jones Beach
8/23 Philadelphia, PA / Tweeter Center
8/25 Uncasville, CT / Mohegan Sun Arena
8/27 Washington, D.C. / Nissan
8/29 Saratoga Springs, NY / Saratoga PAC
8/30 Atlantic City, NJ / Etess Arena at Taj Mahal
8/31 Syracuse, NY / New York State Fair

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 18:55:55 ET
Posted by: Paul Newman via hoops,

OK, so someone beat me to it and now everyone knows where Cynthia has been for the past year.

Believe me when I say I could not have gotten through chemo without her. Naturally Im biased but in my opinion, Cynthias value as a person is light years above her value as an entertainer.

In entertainment, out of sight is out of mind. Yet, she didnt think twice about the impact taking care of me would have on her career--and it did. Cynthia turned down some high profile gigs with a I cant at this time rather than playing the martyr card and letting people know why she couldnt accept.

In the interim, she is trying to help me with my fund raising efforts on behalf of the Lance Armstrong Foundation []. If any of you would like to make a tax deductible donation, please go to...

With Pats help, were hoping to auction some cool music items in the not to distant future. As soon as we get it together, Ill let you know.

Although this was initially a private matter, there were a few people in the SD family that Cynthia confided in. So, for their Es of encouragement and moral support, I thank them all. That definitely includes you Pat Beemer.

Paul Newman

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 18:22:04 ET
Posted by: Heyko,

(from Bass Player 04/03)

Everything Must Go

Though Tom Barney's graceful lines on 2000's Two Against Nature were some of the tastiest in recent memory, Steely Dan's multi-talented co-founder, Walter Becker, sits in the bass chair for Everything Must Go. Don't fret; Becker's unflappable support is the perfect cushion for the band's quirky grooves, acerbic lyrics, ear-candy production, and top-shelf musicianship. He even gets the lead-vocal nod (a studio-record first) on "Slang of Ages". (JH)

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 17:41:28 ET
Posted by: LC Fan, Houston, TX

Dennis and Randy....
First off, I agree with Dennis's choice for a first-timer looking to buy a Larry Carlton album. I love the first record. The title track is even a rip-off of Peg. Carlton said he asked permission from Donald and Walter to use the same chord progressions. Secondly, The live album Dennis is referring to is not "Last Night". (need to brush up on your research there Randy) It's called "Mr.335 live in Japan". It came out around the same time as the first record. (1978/79) It's an import and fairly hard to find. Great record! I think all of Larry's stuff is great. After he got shot his records seemed to lack the fire he had before the incident. Easy listening jazz crap.

Knows More- Are they sending out the Godwhackers to get us?

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 17:34:04 ET
Posted by: Abbey,

I just read on a Pink Floyd messageboard that the DVD-Audio version of EMG will be released the same day as the cd (June 10). Does anyone know if this is true or when the DVDA will be released?? Thanx

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 16:54:01 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Hello My Steely Brothers and Sisters ..................

I have a quick question :

On the track " Rikki don't lose that Number " , could someone from this fine and prodigious message board please tell me who " Rikki " refers to ?????

Is it Eric Clapton ?

Rick Derringer ?

Please ....................I am absolutely dying to know .

-- Thank You



Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 16:49:05 ET
Posted by: Knows More,

I saw this post by "Knows Better" on the Steely newsgroup last week:

"Warners had every track digitally watermarked for each individual. Uniquely registered, in other words, to each unique recipient. Any copy or copies that make it out now will be immediately traceable to the leaker source. Warners is salivating to use their new watermarking technology to bust a few heads. Should be fun viewing."

Okay, the copies are out. When does the fun start?

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 14:54:42 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Randy - Cool. The only track listing I've seen is on Steely Dan Gold and Rick Derringer is credited on guitar for "Chain Lightning". I've just seen you post several times about this and was wondering where you were coming from with it. To set an album credit right? To settle a bet? I think Roger Nichols would be a good source of information on this since he was the one who miked everyone. He's also very responsive and friendly too.

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 14:24:04 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

In response to the post below:

(a) there is no "obsession";

(b) part of what I do is music research, which includes the histories of various bands and artists, including Steely Dan;

(c) since many people over the years (beyond those who post to any of the known Steely Dan message boards) have OVERCREDITED Larry Carlton's contribution to 'Katy Lied' BECAUSE of the unspecific credits on the album, I was attempting to set the record straight on their history since I had the opportunity to contact Carlton directly; basically I thought fans of Steely Dan on a message board like this might be interested, as "who plays on what track" seems to have been an ongoing issue of debate in regards to Steely Dan over the past thirty years-

Randy /

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 14:16:35 ET
Posted by: Ben Feldman, Steely Wonder gig in San Francisco April 5

Steely Wonder is playing 3 sets of Steely Dan and Stevie Wonder tunes this Saturday night April 5, 2003 at the Blue Lamp in San Francisco. See for directions.


Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 12:06:23 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Who Plays What

Randy - I'm not sure where your obsession is coming from. I've never seen anything but a blanket listing of the players on "Katy Lied". The original album, the re-mastered CD and the box set do not give a track-by-track listing of who played what. What gives?

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 11:58:16 ET
Posted by: Love Your Mama, no kidding

I'm not making this up.

On the way to work this morning, I was rear-ended by a car of three elderly nuns. Whooooaaaaa!

They must've read the Blue Board.

All of us were OK, but their Ford Tempo had a crumpled hood.

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 11:39:47 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

The Larry Carlton album referred to in a previous post was 'Last Nite' (1986), a live album cut by Carlton which was much more rough-hewn (relatively speaking) than his usually excessively smooth works; it was cut with a small band with additional horn-section overdubs done later in the studio; it's regarded by many to be Carlton's finest solo effort.

Incidentally, I am STILL waiting for confirmation from Carlton concerning his contribution to Steely Dan's 'Katy Lied' (1975); it appears little more may be revealed beyond what I have been told by Larry already: he knows for a fact that he only appears on ONE track on 'Katy Lied'; all information indicating otherwise is incorrect.

Efforts to receive confirmation from Brian Sweet (author of the Steely Dan book, 'Reeling In The Years') concerning the source of his information which indicated that the track in question was "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" have been futile; further information will be posted here as it becomes available-

Randy /

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 11:26:20 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago


I like Larry Carlton's Room 335. It's his first solo album after he got of doing sessions. Same great tone and it's not as "smooth jazz" as some of the later stuff. There is also a live one from that era, can't think of the name offhand but he does Miles' "So What", "All Blues", and some original tunes. Killer stuff!

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 09:54:00 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Hey Earl, e-mail me...I'll take those nasty vicodins off your hands and dispose of them properly.

The posts about "Mars Hotel" got me to thinking because last night went out and saw Robert Hunter solo at the Park West. A real quiet type show with just him and a hollow body Gibson. He sings the songs we have all heard but switches up the phrasing and the inflections so the dread heads can't sing along. It was really cool to actually hear the songs more as stories than songs. I mean he has some really cool things he gets into. He transformed Terrapin Station into an epic story, I never got the lyrics the way I did last night because I am usually so into the music. All in all a cool night out.

Check out his journal entries you is so desire:

until 6-10,

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 08:46:21 ET
Posted by: paperbeui, Mooorning!

Chris Potter on his Steely Dan gig:

"I really enjoyed working with those guys," he said. "I never really expected to be working in that situation. I was playing for 30,000 people. It was really interesting music. Eventually I started to feel like I needed to be playing jazz."

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 06:55:44 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Caucho=Gaucho obviously.

I think their remake of "Locomotion" will be the first single off EMG.


Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 06:53:42 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

One of the funny things about the link steelydoubt posted is when you hit Family Tree, it says all the instruments Fagen, Becker, Hodder, and Baxter played on albums. The really funny one is that it says Becker played the flugelhorn...they must have misread the "Caucho" album credits where Randy Brecker played flugelhorn.


Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 06:28:08 ET
Posted by: Howard,

More late arrivals for the "grooviest SD track" list:

Both Jack of Speed and Gaslighting Abbie are super-fine examples of the SD groove machine. Every time I hear the Plush versions of these two, it seems they out-do the originals (in terms of groove), but that can't really be true can it...?

Green Earrings is definitely up there - superb. Great drums/bass/clavinet trio, tambourine and triangle subtle but tasty.

Honourable mentions: Peg, Josie, Babylon Sisters


Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 02:30:51 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville, tampy

Hey W1P-
Thanks for that link!
Did anyone else find that absolutely hilarious?!!!

I can't stop laughing.

Date: Fri, April 04, 2003, 02:10:47 ET
Posted by: suedave,

Malcolm, looking forward to hearing some Core music, glad to see you're keeping busy

Hoops - I've forgotten about David Byrne, I did go thru a phase a while back I guess. I think I'll have to rediscover it. I have a bad habit of not cycling thru music like I should, instead playing certain CD's or certain artists a lot then moving on...Mars Hotel - one of my all time fav's haven't heard that one for a while either.

Sometimes when I get new CD's that I like my kids hear them too often and complain. though they've never ever complained about Steely Dan. I suspect it has less to do with liking the music (if they did they'd never admit to it), but because they respect me enough to know better. My daughter truly loved Cousin Dupree when it came out and called me every time she heard it on the radio - I hope she loves the lead single on EMG too.

Sounds like the Bush/Asscroft team is trying to make sure we all fit within a box. Somehow I feel like these things are only a start. Pretty soon it'll be illegal to talk about them because we might disagree with them or not worship them. Do you think they are trying to turn this country into....Iraq! LOL. not enough oil I guess.

Speaking of Danfests though....calling all Seattleites - join us at the Larry Carlton show at Jazz Alley on April 12th - sign up at and/or click on the link above or email me for more info!

See ya!


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 22:47:32 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt,,,497077,00.html?src=redirsearch&artist=Steely+Dan

halfway down the page


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 22:13:12 ET
Posted by: , I was stoned when I downloaded those EMG MP3s, I swear

When will the radio single appear and guesses as to what it will be????????????

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 22:03:38 ET
Posted by: ,

fezo: Dude, you *almost* had it. Glamour Profession is pure Wendel, but Time out of Mind is the real deal - how about out the bass/piano/drums mix?

What a Shame About Me ranks up there as well...

CUBS WIN!!! about 97 more and we'll have that Pennant banner (I guess that's redundant) at Wrigley...

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 19:59:43 ET
Posted by: fezo, mindoutoftime

From the perspective of a yokel growing up in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, "Glamour Profession" definitely had the most groove on

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 17:57:59 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Dave, what do you want to know? I posted a little story earlier about it. If you have questions just e-mail me.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 17:52:26 ET
Posted by: W1P, Dan Dreams

This is a website that takes submissions from people describing their dreams and turns them into cartoons. Here's one featuring the Dan ;-)

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 17:39:01 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco/Oakland

Sorry to be annoying and post twice in a row, but I also am happy waiting until D&W say it's ready. I enjoy the anticipation of waiting for a new record and when 2VN was released, I enjoyed it a little bit more knowing we were all experiencing it together. I look forward to doing it again in a few weeks...


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 17:28:02 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco/Oakland

Hey, I'm a day late and a dollar short but I think:

Daddy Don't Live in That NYC
Chain Lightning



have got a LOT of oomph. Got to turn those up a little louder! Every time. I was in LA with spouse and child earlier this week and brought Gaucho and as I imagined, it was the perfect record for the endless driving you have to do in that area. My daughter kept making me go back to "hollllywood" in Glamour Profession so she could "sing it again!". Another vacation enhanced by D&W, thank you very much!

Take care all - Michelle

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 17:27:58 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Clean Kitchen


I think Larry Carlton's best album is "On Solid Ground" (1989).
I like the covers of "Josie" and "Layla", and the writing and performances are inspired. I think this was his first release after a close brush with death (he was shot outside his studio). I also like "Larry and Lee" with Lee Ritenour.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 16:27:34 ET
Posted by: Dave,

As a Steely Dan fan, what is the first Larry Carlton CD I should get?

These days, I'm listening to the CSN collection, "Carry On." Am I right, jk, that you have some connecton to Crosby?

Steely Dan aren't so much pro-drug as pro-hedonist.

Has "The Finer Things" ever been out officially on CD?

Speaking of Christian, I hear Carlton, Michael Omaritan and even Mike McDonald have joined the God Squad.

Tangentially speaking, Mike McDonald recently performed "Take Me To The Pilot" at some NAMM event honoring Elton John. As a veteran of the last NAMM, Dennis, when do we hear about Purdie?


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 16:19:26 ET
Posted by: Moi,

Times up, Earl. Next!

Dennis, thank you for clarifying the part about Earl and the taste of his foot.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 16:13:25 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Dennis: I'm sure your response will be "That's not very Christian of you," but I may miss my mouth and find the 7th planet the next time.


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 16:09:13 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

I will cease and desist, mainly because I realized that I've taken it outside the context of the Dan. I will say that I made my original comment knowing full well of what would come. Whether the Catholic Church's position has any basis (remember the Holy Roman Empire and the restraint they showed in Europe?) is outside the scope of this board. I just thought I'd chime in to let people know that not everyone is going to complain about a more thorough search at the Tweeter Center. The Phillies games I've attended forced me to open my bags, so what's so different at concerts? Maybe the bootlegging will be tougher.

Finally, I've had a case of the gout, and my podiatrist presribed me Vicodin for the pain. It was great for the pain, but let me just say, if that's what you guys feel when you're high, then you can keep your drugs. I'll stick with Aleve until the pain's gone.


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 15:51:11 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

He's always putting it in his mouth.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 15:37:50 ET
Posted by: URL, I don't care what you do at home

First lesbian nun love scenes and now Dennis asks Earl how his foot tastes. I don't care what you do at home but, I don't wanna hear about your foot fetish, Dennis. I hope it doesn't get any more kinky around this place or St Al will wrap his head in duct tape.

BTW: All perversion is just a reaction to right wing repression, which is why Steely Dan is my favorite band.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 15:23:30 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Earl, how does your foot taste?

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 15:15:39 ET
Posted by: Love your mama, Our Lady of the Evening Parish

All of Hoops' talk about the nuns marchin' and smokin' got me all hot and bothered.

Which reminds me, what happened to "Babylon Sisters II?" You know that song in progress that has been long rumored for the next album.

A sordid little tale, I heard it's "Lilies of the Field" meets "Change of Habit" (remember Elvis and Mary Tyler Moore?), but la Steely Dan.

Supposedly, this little jaunt starts out where these three nuns, jealous of all the sexcapades some of their brethren priests and monks are having, experiment with innovative ways of funding the construction of their new bingo hall by providing lap dances for cash. Along the way they all get gold teeth. In the final verse, the nuns give in to their most basic and secret desires and engage in their own little scene while Sidney Poitier, reprising his carpenter's role for the video, eagerly looks on from behind a burning bush (Do you like the imagery?):

"Your face or mine?
What's the seduction?
All tongue-in-groovy
Yeah, that my kinda construction"

The last line's a bit long, but, as Fagen says, you have to kind of pry the music open and shove the lyrics in sometimes. Quite apropos, considering all the prying and shoving going on in this ditty.

The scene ends with the three sisters quivering and collapsing in ecstasy.

Who knows? Maybe it will be turned into a Calvin Klein commercial instead.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 14:21:21 ET
Posted by: Concert Fan, Standing in line to be searched

When was the last time you were at a concert and were really searched for "Drugs"? Pills are in the pocket and are never found during a pat down. They want our money at the concession stands when we pay the $5.00 for a hot dog and $10.00 for a beer. Its not about drugs, it's all about losing profits from the food and drink vendors where the venue either get a kick back or outright run the concessions. Folding chairs are ok as long as you rent theirs, I suppose you could hide drugs in the frame tubing.

Whats next the postal service charging us $0.35 for each email we send? I think it's all Al Gore's fault somehow

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 14:11:07 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Do catch CORE NYC. Fine jazz, 'specially if you are Mose fan. Haven't forgot about that other bit YGK.

Thanks for your kinds words although my writing needs help and I am by far the worst speller and proofreader here. I suffer from what I call "Architect's Dyslexia."

Listening to:
SD "Aja"
Grateful Dead, "...Mars Hotel"
"The Very Best of Stan Getz"
"CORE NYC" 4 track
Gil Evans Orchestra, "Out of The Cool"
David Byrne "Feelings" (Thanks for turning me on to this one SueDave)
Van Morrison "Down The Road"
James Brown "CD of JB"
and of course,
Piano Jazz with SD

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 13:48:02 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA

See, I leave the articulate and properly spelled remarks to Hoops...

Go get'm Hoops.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 13:02:03 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC


The Day is HereThe Day is HereThe Day is HereThe Day is Here
CD Release tonight........c'mon in town

New York City's - NewSoul Blues & Jazz Trio
Invites you to join them in celebrating the release of their debut CD:
Thursday, April 3 - 5:30 to 8:30pm
34 East 34th Street between 5th & Madison Aves. - #6, F, D, B to 33/34th Streets No Cover / No Minimum / CDs on Sale
Live performance featuring selections from the CD and special guests.
CORE NYC is: Bill Burtt (bass & vocals) Malcolm Hunter (keyboards & vocals) and Peter Ray Runnells (drums)

"Tryin' To Sort It All Out" will be available soon at - or email special requests to

Don't miss it!

Hoops! Hop on in.........!

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 12:27:37 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Everybody knows that the " Dan Fests " always have the best drugs floating around ...........................................

" Smells like all of you have done a great job of keeping Kansas Green ! "

-- Walter Becker to a sold out K.C. Danfest ( 18,000 Strong ) in 1996 .

Joey !

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 12:10:59 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Going back to your comment:
"Yeah, that would be awful. The experience of listening to music would greatly be hampered by not being able to light up. It's not like it's illegal or anything, is it? "

I'm not even going to start arguing abouty illegal drugs, Earl. My most serious drugs and habits have yet to be outlawed since they are very profitable to corporate America, not that I think they should be outlawed in the first place.

This really isn't about drugs so much as that 1) the legislation at hand will make concert promoters, esepcially smaller ones, very unreasonably reasponsible for a relatively small number of people and 2) will effectively give concert management authority to even more throughly search me. I mean it's bad enough that I have sealed bottle waters and fold-up umbrellas confiscated from me and have some guy patting me down below my waist. I resent simply going to a show and being treated like it's a police state, like it's assumed I'm criminal unless I agree to a search . And this will make it worse. Sure I can choose not to go but it's getting to the point that people can choose not to do anything that used to be worthwhile. And yes, this is a Steely Dan topic because, the only venues that will be able to afford this new legislation are the Clear Channels of the world, and Lord knows they aren't too friendly to our kind of music. This "leave no breast behind uncovered" attitude is killing the very freedoms that the so-called "freedom fighters" are fighting for. I don't even get your peace rally comment. I know some people who smoke pot or do other drugs who were at the pro-war rally in Chicago and are you trying to tell me that those dozen elderly Catholic nuns at the peace rally were big time stoners?

It's not that I don't defend your right to hold "anti-drug" views, Earl, but rather I am offended by your absurd stereotyping.

More comments in your email box, Earl.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 10:42:55 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

See, I knew what that would do. Reasoning with druggies gets you nowhere.

Hope you enjoy the next welfare convention (i.e. peace rally).


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 10:13:12 ET
Posted by: god,

OK. This is the last time I am going to apologise. To the whole planet.



The good news is that you will all be seeing me real soon, when I have to come down and break up Bush's little party.

BY the way, I've heard Godwhacker and, I got to tell you, it's pretty catchy!


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 09:51:39 ET
Posted by: George Stienbrenner, NYC

Earl...If anyone around these parts needs to smoke a's you pal.

Hoop's...Is their a way we can trade Earl over to the yellow? How about Earl for Steevedan? We can even throw in some cash. St.Al could use the money. Deal?

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 08:30:40 ET
Posted by: HAHaHAHA,

Earl, get real - how many illegal things do you do/have you done?

Ever driven with BA higher than .08, ever?

Do you speed? Do you fail to recycle?

Your right, we do want Big Brother Ashcroft contolling it all.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 08:10:17 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Yeah, that would be awful. The experience of listening to music would greatly be hampered by not being able to light up. It's not like it's illegal or anything, is it?


Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 05:37:07 ET
Posted by: ,

Speaking of Radiohead, an album is due foe release on the very same day as Steely Dan's EMG and they (he?) had a lot more problems with holding on to their stuff in this wired day and age, judging from this:

At least, EMG wasn't leaked out to this extent. It's kept under wraps pretty tightly. Someone somewhere is doing a good job of it.

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 05:34:31 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, what is it good for ?

Soul legend Edwin Starr has died at the age of 61, after having what is thought to have been a heart attack.

It's a bitter irony that the man who wrote the words "War what is a good for, absolutely nothing" should die at a time when the majority of the world is repeating his very words

Date: Thurs, April 03, 2003, 00:04:46 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, as long as you go where I go

Hi, all.

I'm with the non-believers. Give us something you couldn't have made up, and I'll change my mind.

Grooviest SD tune: So hard to choose just one, but the whole of Royal Scam grooves like hell. Also anything else Purdie put his perky paws on.

"You've hired the hitmaker!"

And that legislation thingy makes me laugh... you americans... sure, let's exterminate the extremely lethal drug marijuana, and while we're at it, y'all, let's go out and by more handguns we can leave around our children! That's our Godgiven right!

Fare thee well
Mme Erzulie

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 22:55:54 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Hey, I can wait 9 more weeks too. Right now I'm really enjoying the DVD release of The Beatles Anthology in Plush DTS Surround Sound.
There's a cool mix of some early audio clips from Abbey Road Studios where George Martin is barking out instructions and his voice is coming from the rear right speaker. It's like bein' there!

I started thinking - too bad there are no videos or pictures of Donald and Walter in the studio. Sure, there's the back cover of "Katy Lied" which shows some studio shots but I still can't believe a video camera never made it into any of the 70's sessions!

Just found out the new Radiohead CD will be released on June 10 as well. Hopefully that won't steal any press from the boys. I still laugh at Walter's comment that he didn't know if Radiohead was a group or a person.

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 22:07:47 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, In Rudy's

Okay Okay...nice April Fools prank a day late Lucky and Major

pissed--paranoia will destroy ya

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 21:17:46 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Hmm

Already posted that, Joey, hon.

Cant wait for EMG. Im happy to wait until the proper release.



Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 20:27:04 ET
Posted by: Q,

Absolute last! I'm just bored for once.

And, yes, and "exploding" - see - I need some duct tape!
Hoops, I really wish you would enable a spell checker...

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 20:04:39 ET
Posted by: Moi,

Thank you, Q, for clarifying the part about St Al and the duct tape.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 19:49:09 ET
Posted by: Q,


JK - howdy

"yes, "becoming"...

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 19:47:46 ET
Posted by: Q,

"St. Al / Duct tape" - Meaning that he would be so stunned and disgusted that the resulting frustration would require duct tape to be wrapped around his head to keep it from exploading upon become aware of the information...

As would anyone, I would think

EMG, yah, it will be here in good time.

Generally though, for the obvious reasons and for selfish reasons, I am glad it's not coming out now. Hopefully, it will be a more "conducive" time to enjoy the new one fully by June.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 19:35:37 ET
Posted by: Moi,

Hey Q. Pissed is actually jk. Just click on pissed's name.

St Al holds his head together with Duct tape?

Yeah the album will be here soon enough and we'll be jonesin' for the next album after EMG soon enough after that. Let's just let it take it's own sweet Dan time.

See ya

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 19:04:01 ET
Posted by: Q, Tampa

Dear "pissed" -if your info is right - to hell with these "I have EMG" posting idiots who are looking for a legal punch in the head - your story on the this latest potential Ashcroft lead fiasco is the story of the moment FOR SURE!

I am checking hard into this and will quit my job if I have to to help defeat such legislation.

St. Al must be having to duct tape his head right about now if he read your post!

Great Job, "pissed"


Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 16:42:02 ET
Posted by: db,

i enjoy reading all the posts from ''people'' who claim to have heard ''EMG''

I'm waiting like everyone else !!!

I'm happy to wait till it's release as i'm rather busy at the moment.

I have ''booked'' an ear syrnge with my wife's sister for early June (she's a nurse)
(anyone else or is it just me )

I'm also toying with the idea of buying some cans.....any good ideas ?

Apart from that i'm happy....

Piano Jazz keeps me happy around 2-3 times a week.

Whilst we're all waiting for the next one ''lets'' not forget to live.

hell We're expecting our second child in October 03.


Thanks !!!!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 16:14:54 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

More questions about "Everything Must Go". Are there horns? Any horn solos? Did it sound like Chris Potter? Any other great solos? Come on, tell us more.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:41:02 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

God doesn't have an advanced copy. These guys are full of shit. Like it wouldn't be ALL over the internet already.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:38:10 ET
Posted by: Joey,

Oh Hell , this is precious ............................

This board makes Joey giggle out loud .


Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:38:00 ET
Posted by: h,

I'm with you on this one. This could potentially cause legal issues and liabilities for every venue and night club in the USA from MSG to Roseland to Le Bar Bat, to the corner tap, not to mention all the issues you raise. Good post. I already went to the links and "signed" it.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:37:54 ET
Posted by: Inquiring Mind,

Any major dude: Why only 6 tunes? Aren't there like 8 or 9 on the album? Which tunes do you or don't you have?

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:28:14 ET
Posted by: pisssed,

this just in. call your congress coward now or there will be no summer or fall tour!

<< In reviewing the advance sheets of proposed bills before the US House
of Representatives and US Senate, I came accrossed several proposed laws
that, if they pass, will have a chilling effect on all future live concerts
from intimate theatre settings like Neil played during his 1997 solo tour
and CPR often plays to 20,000 seat ice rinks, summer amphitheatre to outdoor
summer festivals of any size.

Congress may soon give Attorney General John Ashcroft the power to
take away more of your rights, including your right to free speech --
unless you act right now. Congress is now considering two proposed laws --
the RAVE Act (HR 718) and the Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act (S.226) --
that would further expand the federal "crack house law" to apply to more
people, including home owners and organizers of concerts, festivals or
rallies. These laws give the federal government the power to imprison you
for up to twenty years if you smoke marijuana.
A third proposed law, the CLEAN-UP Act (HR 834), would make it a
federal crime -- punishable by up to nine years in prison -- to promote any
entertainment event in which drug offenses might occur, such as festivals
and music concerts.
If enacted, the CLEAN-UP Act (HR 834) would make it impossible to hold
hemp festivals and music concerts. At first glance it is a seemingly
harmless bill that provides more money and training for the clean up
of illegal methamphetamine laboratories. Buried within it, however,
are provisions (Section 305) that would make it a federal crime --
punishable by up to nine years in prison -- to promote for commercial
purposes "any rave, dance, music or other entertainment event" that
might attract some attendees that would use or sell drugs -- even if
promoters work to prevent drug offenses at their events. Under the
provision, any concert promoter, nightclub owner and arena or stadium
owner could be fined and jailed, since a reasonable person would know
some people use drugs at musical events.

It is important that you contact your Members of Congress today and
forward this alert to everyone you know. Even as you read this e-mail,
politicians in Washington, DC are plotting to quickly pass these laws.
They will succeed, unless you ACT NOW.
You could even be jailed for crimes that you take no part in -- that's
how much power Congress wants to give John Ashcroft.


(1) Urge your Representative to oppose the RAVE Act (HR 718) and Section
305 in the CLEAN-UP Act (HR 834) by faxing him or her for free at

(2) Urge your Senators to oppose the Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act
(S. 226) by faxing them for free at

(3) Forward this alert to your friends, family members, and co-workers. It
is vital that thousands of Americans speak out.

Folks, before you scream at me for posting items that do not apply to
the music of CSN and Neil Young, keep in mind that if any of these laws
proposed by the Bush Republican's pass, the effect on live concerts will be
chilling. Either they won't exist or you will be severely searched before
being admitted to a concert venue. Don't let these Bastards ruin live
music...Stand Up and be counted. Please urge your Senators and Congressmen
to vote against these dangerous bills.>>

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:23:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, aka Doubting hoops

I'm with and the other skeptics. How about a few lyrics? Or some proof.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 15:20:20 ET
Posted by: Blaise, really...

How about some more details on that? I'm not learning anything new here, other than the fact that it sounds like contemporary Dan. Any juicy lyric lines? Who plays what on which track? Any standout cameo performances, etc...

Spill it, not too much. Just enough. But more than that, please.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 14:56:34 ET
Posted by: The Proof, is in the pudding

Lucky Bastard...Let's can I put this nicely? I can't.

I think you're full of shit!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 14:52:43 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

I too have scored an advance copy of EMG with 6 tunes and have mixed feelings, although it is growing on me. To me the best track is Everything Must Go (guessing on the name--I don't have the names) which is a down-tempo soul tune with a crash-out at the beginning. Except for the tune Becker sings on it seems more like Nightfly to me than anything, particularly the grooves + sparseness of it. It seems like Becker did all the guitar himself and there are fewer "frills" and tighter arrangements than any Dan record to date--tighter grooves too with almost no fills--seems like Ricky Lawson probably played on all tracks. Re analog: my recording engineer buddy thinks it's mixed too "dry" and sterile and we both assumed it was digital until I read otherwise, plus the drums are mixed the same on every tune. Fagen does do his best singing on this one. Bottom line: I like it a lot even though I expected and wanted something a bit more rocking and extravagant.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 14:36:55 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Last year, I was lucky enough to be at soundcheck for a show that the guitar amp company I work for puts on every year, same show this year but I got to play this year. Anyway, last year I was setting up our gear for Larry Coryell and Joe Beck and Bernard Purdie was drumming for Joe Beck. I was standing right in front of Bernard after he got his kit setup (he set up his own kit!). So here I am standing in front of Bernard and he starts playing some shuffles and just generally warming up. His drums went through my whole body!! and he just had this big smile on his face the whole time. He's a great dude and one of the fattest drummers alive!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 14:10:50 ET
Posted by: unsigned,

LB: Don't gloat...share!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 14:06:15 ET
Posted by: Doubting Thomas ,

Lucky Bastard: Can you fill us in on what the narrator misses the most on "Things I Miss the Most"? On why the "Last Mall" is last? Don't hold out on us...tell us what you heard! Give us details on the recording, the way the band sounds, what the production values short, spill the beans!!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 13:26:35 ET
Posted by: Also Wondering,

I'm having my doubts about Lucky Bastard as well. Blue Book? Do you mean Green Book or Blues Beach? Got any lyrics?

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 12:52:32 ET
Posted by: ,

Tell us more, Dennis. Especially about Purdie.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 12:48:21 ET
Posted by: dennis, chicago

Royal Scam has always been my favorite because of the players on it. I think anything with Bernard "Pretty" Purdie is going to groove immensely. How can you go wrong with the "Hitmaker"! Haitian Divorce, Everything You Did, it all groooooooves!

One of my bands had an opportunity to open for Bernard Purdie, Bill Dickens, and Larry Coryell (followed by Hiram Bullock and Will Lee) at this year's NAMM show back in January. Bernard was extremely nice to us and is a hell of a great guy.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 12:36:49 ET
Posted by: Just Wondering,

Pardon my cynicism, but you needn't have heard EMG to make those comments, Lucky Bastard. How do we know you are for real?


Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 12:32:22 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Lucky Henry




And if so, how does the sound differ? It being analogue? Improvement?

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 12:07:38 ET
Posted by: Lucky Bastard,

Just completed 3rd listen of EMG. Excellent.

3 random points:

1) More immediate than 2VN. Standout tracks appear to be Last Mall, Thiings I Miss The Most, Godwhacker, Slang Of Ages, Blue Book, EMG

2) Unsurpringly, not a return to mid-1970s Steely. Sounds very much like Kama/2VN. Though possibly less lyrically opaque than any other Dan album.

3) This is the best Donald Fagen has sounded since The Nightfly.

Will include spoilers in future posts if anyone wants them. But you should wait. I have been giggling/marvelling all morning at this wonderful album and its surprises.

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 11:13:53 ET
Posted by: Sean,

tout = tour

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 11:12:55 ET
Posted by: Sean, Quinzy, Ma

I was going to comment on "The Fez" as well. Fagen once explained that The Fez is a great dance track, except for that the song stops every now and then. LOL! It was their idea of a very witty joke on disco types.

I vote for Green Earrings as grooviest, another witty disco send up in the tradition of Zappa.

Maybe that Ebay poster is talking about a September tout is just repeating what they have seen here.


Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 10:58:36 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

The Fez!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 10:09:54 ET
Posted by: DJ, Shi-town

Ah, I can only narrow it down to three hypnotic grooves that induce a combination of mechanical shake and break dance moves, well timed head nods, and instinctive hand jives.

Old School
'Your Gold Teeth'


'Gaslighting Abbie'

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 06:31:09 ET
Posted by: Ed Greene's Ear Rings, Ouch!,

Is that Tinnitus?

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 04:02:17 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @work

Come On GrooveMeisters No Contest ........ The Plush TV vers of PL is THE GROOOOOOOOOOOVER of ALL time da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa repeat !!

Date: Wed, April 02, 2003, 03:56:25 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Bizarre

Rumoured tour in September eh....?



Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 23:16:16 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, Montana


Although there are arguably dozens of likely candidates, my vote is for Tomorrow's Girls. I think it is highly underated and should have been a breakout hit from Kamakiriad.


Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 23:04:19 ET
Posted by: Mr. LaPage, Green Flower Street

My vote is for "Green Earrings". Awesome groove. Purdie is absolutely on fire. The whole band positively COOKS! Go Green.


Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 22:25:12 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I like "Kamakiriad", but those tunes don't groove as hard as something like "Peg" or "Kid Charlemagne". Bernard Purdie is the fucking man!

Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 17:05:30 ET
Posted by: Willey, portland, OR

Steely Dan Rocks!

Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 15:41:59 ET
Posted by: Dave,


My vote goes to "Trans-Island Skyway" and "Snowbound." see also Drums/Bass/VBocal mix. "Kamakiriad" is Fagen's funk groove album.


Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 15:23:38 ET
Posted by: MItch, Omaha

Sorry about that empty post.'s a new question (maybe):

Name the Steely Dan song you think grooves the hardest. Ya know...sits in a pocket so deep it's covered in lint.

My vote: Kid Charlemagne. Bernard Purdie chugs like a train on this one!

Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 15:15:33 ET
Posted by: MItch, Omaha

Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 11:47:14 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

I actually like "Wavelength" quite a bit. I read a book on Springsteen which quotes Van as complaining that Bruce "stole" Van's act. That's a bit like saying Kobe stole Michael's act.

Date: Tues, April 01, 2003, 11:02:43 ET
Posted by: Zim not on a limb, NYC

Zim is on target according to my sources

Date: Mon, March 31, 2003, 21:11:53 ET
Posted by: Zim, in follow-up to questions

Sorry to say it was just a general statement of "holding dates for a possible August show"-just enough to tease us long time fans. But I'll keep my ears open and drop a line when I hear more. It's a weekly radio show here in CT on Thursdays, so I stay tuned.

keeping my hopes up-


Date: Mon, March 31, 2003, 15:36:18 ET
Posted by: Gina, Morrisun Mountain

In sinc or Zim? :-)
Browsed thru my CD's and shame on me, found a Morrison CD ...
Nu Guru, no Method, no Teacher ...
Will lend it my ears now ...

Date: Mon, March 31, 2003, 14:59:08 ET
Posted by: Zim,


Our local concert gurus are talking about a August date here in Connecticut. They're usually pretty good at knowing what's up and coming, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Haven't missed a tour yet and don't plan to now!


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