May 2003 BlueBook Entries

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 22:53:59 ET
Posted by: Lee, Slangen'.....

I really like Slang of Ages. Someone at this or another SD site said that he or she thought that this song has the best chance of any on the album to break out to be a mainstream hit. I had been thinking that myself. First, it really is very catchy. Second, it has a tremendous beat to it. I can see that played in discos filled with 20 year olds, young people getting hooked on the song before they realize it is Steely Dan. If it were Donald's voice, they would know instantly, and thus tune it out from the start. In a weird way, Walter's singing my make this a more marketable song.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 22:45:33 ET
Posted by: Lee,

P-E-G, from the award winning Langa List, a free highly useful subscription emailed computer E-zine:

http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-05-05.htm#5

A small excerpt:
"Question: .....on some of the websites especially newspaper ones, I do not get the latest page. In fact some times it is 2 -3 days old page. No matter how much I refresh the page it doesn't work. I have tried to delete cookies, history, temp files, everything... Strangely if I [visit the same sites] from office or cyber cafe there is absolutely no problem. Thanks & Regards, Raman Bhushan

"Answer: My guess is that your browser isn't seeking a new page from the site, but--- even when you click "refresh"--- is simply displaying the page stored in your local cache.

"The usual fix is a two-step thing:
1) flush your browser cache and ensure the cache is a reasonable size
2) set the browser to check for a newer version of the page at every visit

"The steps vary from browser to browser, but the concepts are the same everywhere:"

Then he explains how to fix it at the above link.


I highly recommend this site and newsletter as being the most carefully researched and useful one I have come across. Has all kinds of tips and problem solutions. Main Page:

http://www.langa.com/

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 21:55:08 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

Yeah P-G-E, I can get to it now too - it probably just has something to do with the pages being stores in your cache. I can listen to it now, and all I can say is . . . wow. Absolutely stunning.

CrellMoset

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 21:35:13 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, 10 days and counting

Sue in Chicago - You and your friend were hilarious at the Clark St. Ale House. Her name was Enie, right? You two tried getting me to sell you my '96 tour 'Sex Tip' t-shirt for 20 bucks. In retrospect, I should taken it. Hope we meet up again.

Anyone know how many rows in the front sections at the U.C.? I had some options for sections 1 and 3 but took the 3rd row section 5 for the straight on view. Now I'm just hoping there isn't like 900 rows in the front sections.

Can't wait to meet up with past friends and make some new ones this summer.

Peace, Love and Dan,

KC

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 19:10:44 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Sverige

I've liked Lindsey's solo albums ... and the sad thing is that every time he/they decide to rework his current project into a new Fleetwood Mac album his next solo outing is pushed forward another 5-10 years.

I guess I have to comfort myself with EMG on the 10... ;-)

***

On a completely different note - but same album:

Someone wrote they couldn't get the EMG stream on the steely dan player. Same thing happened to me when I tried to listen at work.
Only LM and BB were visible and played in the player window.
Once I got home EMG was there as well on my computer just like it had before I went to work.

The only solution I can think of is that work using an old-old-OLD verson of Internet Explorer might have something to do with it. Any ideas??

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 18:10:58 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Buckingham's OK when he's quirky...his voice is shot and the tune for What's the World Coming to I swear is lifted from a Jackson Browne song from the Hold Out? era...

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 17:24:26 ET
Posted by: nu2blu, Dtown

OOps I almost forgot..

"..turn up the eagles the neighbors are listening"

The best line, by far, in any song, ever recorded.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 17:22:33 ET
Posted by: nu2blu, Detroit, where else?

EMG just broke the TOP 20 at amazon.

One more thing about promotion with respect to bands such as the Dan. Look at how Fleetwood Mac is promoted. It is almost a certainty that if Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham where to both piss in a bucket and record it, Adult Contemp. stations would play it 24/7..same goes for The Eagles, James Taylor etc..

Fleetwoods song Peacekeeper is on all the time and any number of stations even if it sucks. YOu have no chance but to like it after hearing it 5 times a day.

That's my rant....

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 14:54:29 ET
Posted by: RGR, Chicago

Looks like the floor is gone in chi-town. Nicely done Chicago Dandom.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 14:00:29 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Walt Weiskopf is DA MAN!!!


Anybody notice yet how he integrates the BRIDGE of EMG into that Intro? I wonder who's idea was that? Donald, Walter, Weiskopf? Pure genius!

Telling the story from the perspective and feelings of a fallen exec really works, the little touches of a hedonistic, almost rock star-like life...and from being close to the Enron action - that's exactly what they thought...they were plotting and activtely stealing from the 401K pool as they slid on down the (corporate) ladder ...there's a few suites in Huntsville with their names on them


Does anyone get lucky twice? wouldn't it be nice?

Donald's definitely plays on the Synth blues harp on the album - Godwhacker is the prime example - there's no mistaking that sound whether it's IGY or Century's End or Home at Last...there's a few articles around...Greenbook may sound more like a midi in the duel with Walter's guitar?? anybody?

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 13:59:43 ET
Posted by: DF,

Oh Please

I swore to God that I don't have it. That should be your proof.

I don't know you, that's why I didn't take it as a joke. But if you knew me you'd know that.

'nough said

DF

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 13:53:05 ET
Posted by: Keith, Maryland

Hey Danfiend, my apols. I was just teasing and hoping you'd share. I figured you had it from what I've heard. All I wanna know, like any other Dan Fiend, is more about the new album. I'm so excited, I want more news. I didn't mean it like it was a jury trial or something. But did you ever hear the saying, "Thou doth protest too much?" Now you've seriously left me wondering.

Am I the only one who hasn't heard "Blues Beach" on the radio yet? I hope this album does well so naysayers don't think TAN was a Grammy fluke. A Grammy repeat would be welcome.

Keith

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 13:15:54 ET
Posted by: DF,

Keith

I have one word for you. APOCRYPHAL!

I DEFINITELY do not have a copy of the album other than the internet stream of nearly two weeks ago. I'm waiting for 6/10 like everyone else. Furthermore, why would Andy Metzger give anything to me? It's unfair to drag him into this.

I swear to God and on the head of 2003 Everything Must Go Tour that I'm being completely and totally honest. There's nothing worth lying about here.

I AM guessing, but I stand by my assertion that it's Donald on synth. I'd know his touch anywhere. I've been studying him for more than 10 years. I also know that it's Donald on the synth bluesharp on Godwhacker. But we all knew that, didn't we? Perhaps you'd like to share your copy of EMG with me so I can verify my assertions.

DF

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 12:53:43 ET
Posted by: Keith, Maryland

I bet Danfiend knows for sure about DF on synth because she already got a copy of the album from Andy Metzger. That's what I have heard. 'fess up! Tell us what else you know. Spill the beans! We gotta know!

Is it me or is this album a touch less funny and a touch more dark?

Be sure to check us out for the Countdown to Ecstasy Danfest at Nissan Pavillion.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 11:25:31 ET
Posted by: Sue in Chicago,

I can't believe it---I just got 20th row, section 1 for the Chicago show!!! The other two times I saw the Dan I was in Timbuktu. It's my brother's first Steely Dan show---I can't tell who's more excited. Probably me---watch a video clip of me in the 2000 Danfests, Chicago. My clip is called "dwsexy.mov" (Hoops thought I was gonna pass out).You'll get a kick out of it! And DF Chicago, I'll look for you. I think I'm in the row behind you...we're seats 5 and 6---it's great meeting fellow bluebook fans....

Sue

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 10:50:16 ET
Posted by: DACW - the Iggles with more airplay?,

hoopsie: I was being facetious. I am highly skeptical that Azoff ("the sharpest knife in the drawer") is actively involved in promotion of EMG, as he was TvN...state fairs, pseudo tight protection prior to release, smaller market AAA instead of AC - who do they think they are, Apple? Downbeat and Ice have been the highlights. Given that the release date was pushed back a month, AOL Time Warner Without Ted Turner Whatever would have had a better plan...but then given the state of the company lately, everything must go...AOL first! I would have picked Pixeleen or maybe Godwacker as the first single...BB and TLM is like leading off with your shortstop or catcher...


A year ago I saw an article that Azoff and the band parted ways (sorry, don't have the URL anymore). He may still be Walter's promotor...seems strage each has a separate one...


In the end, it doesn't really matter - EMG is going to be a classic, and the quality may result in an upswell. Last time sales were brisk the first week or two or three, but the promo campaighn was more vigorous and people were curious about a band reuniting for a studio album


Jesse: hence, their name

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 08:49:44 ET
Posted by: chillin at the manatee bar, Butler, Pa

$37.50 (lawn), $55.00 and $65.00

Event Details:
Steely Dan is releasing Everything Must Go (Reprise) on June 10. It is Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's first release since 2000, when their Two Against Nature -- the duo's first studio release in 20 years garnered multiple Grammy awards including "Album Of The Year."

Listeners anticipating Steely Dan's patented amalgam of sonic perfection, sinuous musicality, and subversive storytelling will not be disappointed by the new release, whose musical allusions range from Pharaoh Sanders to Tommy James, and whose literary echos bound from William Gibson to Burma-shave. Featured lyrics include such catchy phrases as "and that's when she jumped the turnstile" and "hey ? is that a horseshoe crab?"

Everything Must Go took roughly a year to record -- a veritable wind sprint given Becker and Fagen's legendary meticulousness in the studio. "We went for live tracking this time and got great, in-the-pocket tracks," says Becker.

Tickets are on sale this Saturday, May 31

For more information or tickets:
Call GIANT CENTER Box Office at 717-534-3911 or visit website Click Here

Tickets also available at: Ticketmaster at 717-260-2000, 570-693-4100, or 215-336-2000 or visit their website Click Here

Note: Cameras are NOT permitted. Audio and video recorders, movie cameras and press cameras are never permitted except by special permission of the artist?s management.

HERSHEYPARK® Deal: Concert goers can present their Cher concert ticket at the front gate of the park and purchase a single day admission for $19.95. Valid on the day of the Cher concert only.


Phone:
717-534-3911

I have to see Cher too ???????????

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 05:25:36 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Actually, Bebop Daddys sounds more like a bebop band than a jump swing band. Still, sounds like a good band to check out.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 05:03:48 ET
Posted by: Bebop Webmaster, The Windy City

Hello, and happy weekendland to the loyal Dandom! We love this website and the bluebook!

An announcement of sorts – for any interested parties: There is a new original Chicago band called BEBOP DADDYS. It is led by Steve Kikoen (Director of Music in the Lincolnwood Illinois Schools as well as co-owner of Symbiotic Sound & Software in Arlington Heights, IL.). Steve’s teenage students selected Donald & Walter as SONGWRITERS OF THE CENTURY! --(see www.steelydan.com/lincolnwood.html). For BEBOP DADDYS, Steve shares his compositional duties with co-composer Michael Hesiak. Steve & Michael are veteran Chicago studio musicians on guitar and keyboards respectively. Steve is also lead vocalist of the group. BEBOP DADDYS specializes in the jazz/rock idiom and admit their fair share of Becker/Fagen influence!

The band also consists of Tom Mendel (top Chicago bassist currently being features as bassist of Disney’s THE LION KING - downtown Chicago) and Tom Hipskind on drums (another of the top session players in Chi-town, and member of the Chicago fusion band “KICK THE CAT”). The band is rounded out with 2 outstanding singers, Jennifer Moore and Aviva Gibbs. For more info on this original band with a STEELY connection, go to www.bebopdaddys.com.

A few months back, Steve wrote an original arrangement of a beautiful song by Jon Anderson & Steve Howe of YES called NINE VOICES. When the arrangement came to the attention of Jon Anderson, he phoned Steve and asked if 50 of Steve’s teenage choir students would perform with YES on-stage at the Chicago Theatre last November. See www.bebopdaddys.com/yes for pix and audio Mp3 of the kids and YES! It is also to be found at www.yesworld.com > news > yes updates: Lincolnwood Chorale performs with YES.

BEBOP DADDYS is not a jump swing band as the name might allude, but a jazz/rock collective highly inspired by the Dan. At present, their live show consists of 50% original material, and 50% original arrangements of classic material, including the music of Steely Dan, Rickie Lee Jones, and Pat Metheny. And some stalwart rock tunes have been rearranged in a total jazz format! So … when can we see this collective???

Opening debut gig is tonight at a beautiful nightclub in the suburban Chicago area called 602 NORTH in Glendale Heights, IL. If you would like to support tasty, original music in Chicago with a Dan flavor, come out and let’s meet! Again, see our previously sated website for all pertinent info, bios, schedule of gigs, mP3 demos of the CD currently being recorded, etc. Bandleader Steve Kikoen is an associate of Bob Blum (Katie Lied) – and has a very high respect for that wonderful Chicago-area SD tribute band.

We also are developing some interesting Fagen and/or Becker tunes that interest us (Aja, Trans-Island Skyway, etc.) as well as make our unique stake at original jazz-oriented arrangements of classic tunes one might find hard pressed to accept in a jazz format. It makes for good conversation! We hope to see any of you in the Chicago area (or out of Chicago) who might be able to join us for an eclectic evening of jazz/rock originals, as well as some interesting versions of some Dan chestnuts!

And again, KUDOS on this website – it is outstanding!

Best regards,

Bebop Daddys Webmaster

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 02:39:01 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

I'd better clarify things by stressing that I'm not trying to reignite old flames, I'm just astounded at the bebop nature of Donald's solo. It's virtuosic. It sheds new light on his abilities as a keyboardist (if there was any doubt to begin with.)

I can't get enough of it. I hate that there's still a nine day wait to hear to hear it the way it was intended.

I'm giddy, folks. The Bleu, good seats, good chat tonight, the best music in the world--can it get any better?!?!

G'night

DF

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 02:13:35 ET
Posted by: DF, By The Way

Listen to that solo, and try to say Donald can't play now!

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 02:06:57 ET
Posted by: DF,

I am certain because it sounds like a synth and it sounds like Donald playing said synth. He left his calling card.

We'll find out for sure on 6/10.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 00:33:12 ET
Posted by: Just Wondering,

How do you know Donald is playing Synth solo? Was there an article? If so, I should enjoy obtaining and reading it. Thank you in advance.

Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 00:25:28 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

I'm not seeing a full EMG stream on the player . . . I think I've been tricked . . .

CrellMoset

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 23:43:58 ET
Posted by: DF,

Chris

The solo from Lunch With Gina is performed on a synth by Donald Fagen.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 23:08:54 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Thin Blue Line

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I'm obsessed with the "Everything Must Go" bridge.

I can picture the CEO coming down to break the news to the lowly associates...

"We gave it our our best shot
But keep in mind
We've got a lot
The sky, moon, good food
And the weather,
First run movies..."

And then he leaves with their 401k money, but not before getting a BJ in the service elevator.

"Wouldn't it be nice..."

Hoops: Thanks for posting the pre-sale info. Did you get yours?

m.e.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 21:43:52 ET
Posted by: Chris, Connecticut

Question? What instrument is in the solo on Lunch with Gina? Sounds like guitar but then again like some kind of horn.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 21:24:28 ET
Posted by: FYI, webcaster

The full stream of
"Everything Must Go"
was added to the SD Confessions player tonight!

http://www.repriserecords.com/steelydan/player/

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 21:08:13 ET
Posted by: h,

Groovin' The Stream:
I don't interpret it about someone loosing someone to 9/11; more like losing everything in dot-bomb. They lost all their wealth and their woman. Kinda a Fall of '02.

Green Book seems to be set in the future, a virtual-reality dating scene where you dream up a date.

"Pixeleen" seems to be sorta like "Laura Croft, Tomb-raider. ""Lunch With Gina is like "Negative Girl, Pt II" in a lot of ways.

"Godwhacker" is great. Today I caught the words, "You better step back son, give the man some whacking space." Hilarious!

Any how, can't wait to have the real thing to demystify this some more.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 20:57:52 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Glad to see people are making out well on the tickets for Chicago, not to mention elsewhere.

Good to see you ex-neighbor, Moebius.

I don't get all this criticism of Azoff. I mean, one, he apparently isn't the only manager, and two, isn't the record company that has been tightly holding on to this one?

Speaking of which, there's been a lot of discussion on the chicago @ Dandom list about the watermarking, etc. Apparently the CDs even have a bar code and the unique previewer's name silk-screened on to the disc.

At this point, I still have no idea whether my position at the Big U. is cut or not, so I am struggling as to which shows I can attend.

Finally, for now,
JVC DVD-A Player for SALE!

As you may remember, last fall I purchased a JVC DVD player with DVD-Audio capabilities for $129 plus S + H and tax. THEN I connected it up to my sounds system which basically died and I ended up storing it since then. Make a long story short, I have a new sound system on it's way and it comes with a DVD-A player. So if you want to buy my JVC DVD-Audio player, please email me privately.

all for now

jim

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 20:57:16 ET
Posted by: Groovin' the Stream, Amazon.com

Things I Miss The Most= a guy trying to get over the loss of his significant other who was killed on 9.11.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 20:48:30 ET
Posted by: Jet, Durham, England

Let's see now ....what tickets have I got for the UK EMG tour? er.....AAAAAAGH! please guys when you are complaining about how far away your seats may be for the upcoming gigs spare a thought for the tragic UK based Walt & Don groupies WHO CAN'T GET TO SEE ANYTHING! (er..sorry about the shouting, jealous who me???)

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 20:21:13 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, west of united Center

I had section 2 row 9!! apparently put the wrong year of experation on my mastercard and time expired! settled for section one row 14..(If anyone has those fess up, we should swap seats half way through!!)
Now a hotel room!

HeyMike

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 19:21:55 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Crell - I think Donald is singing:

"Show the world our mighty Hi-Dee-Ho face"
"Now we're sliding down the ladder".

In the 60's cartoon "Mighty Mouse", didn't he used to puff out
his chest and say "Hi-Dee-Ho!" before he blasted off?

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 19:08:12 ET
Posted by: Robin, NE Ohio

Chillin at the Manatee Bar? If you're in the pavilion at Blossom, I think you'll be chillin' with the acoustics. Star Lake is better for the lawn (with the screens), but Blossom has the better acoustics by far, IMHO. Unfortunately, preconcert partying in the parking lots and picnic areas at Blossom is very subdued, unlike Star Lake. Be prepared to creatively conceal anything you might have in the way of alcohol. The man patrols the lots conscientiously. Forewarned is forearmed!

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 18:30:35 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

Does anyone know what that first lyric is on the 30-second clip of the title track, the one right before the the "sliding down the ladder" line . . . I can't make heads or tails of it!

CrellMoset

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 17:39:54 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" I forgot to say...


Joey makes Lowey very giddy. "

I would like to nuzzle you .

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 17:36:19 ET
Posted by: Lowey, CHI

I forgot to say...


Joey makes Lowey very giddy.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 17:30:58 ET
Posted by: Lowey, CHI

Joey says he got shit on from ticket batstard. This makes Lowey very sad. This makes Lowey cry for Joey. Me thinks Joey got fucked big time. Lowey likes Joey. Better luck next time says Lowey to Joey.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 17:25:21 ET
Posted by: chillin at the manatee bar, Butler, Pa

Can't wait til Donald gets that head bobbin and he shouts "roll your chaaart back up the aisle" How are the acoustics at Blossom?

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 17:20:22 ET
Posted by: From the SD NEWSLETTER #23 , The reading room

* For Misc. Tips:

Don't neglect Ticketmaster's own FAQ (which
explains, among other things, why calling
in the first nanosecond of an on-sale period
may not necessarily yield the best ticket choices):
http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/faq.html

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 16:42:51 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Oh my GOd.

I just went back to ticketmaster for the hell of it and I can buy tickets 20 rows closer than the tickets i bought at 10:01 fucking am when they went on sale.

What the hell should I do? Spend another 160 bucks and hope I can sell my shitty tix to someone???


ROW 18 or ROw 39???that is the question "

Welcome to TicketBastard !

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 16:24:18 ET
Posted by: denton, iowa

Got my Chicago tix today...they gave me section 103 row 7. (At about
10am exactly...???)

Then we went back in and it offered me floor tickets...sec. 5 or 6 I
think. What the hell? We couldn't cancel the 1st order, I sort of felt
used and abused for awhile! Did we get shafted or what?

Regardless, we are FIRED UP about seeing SD live for the 1st time!!!
Congrats to those who got awesome floor seats!

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 16:05:09 ET
Posted by: nu2blu, Detroit Rock CIty

In regards to the last email.

er..um...ok.

Gee thanks I'll have to brush up on my German in order to read that dynamite?? post.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 15:22:07 ET
Posted by: Im neuen Heft, Das Steely Dan-Special

http://www.rollingstone.de/index.php

Im neuen Heft: Das Steely Dan-Special

25.05.2003 - Für "Two Against Nature" gab es ein paar Grammys, Steely Dan verloren dennoch ihren Plattenvertrag. In unserem SD-Special der Juni-Ausgabe erfahren Sie auf sechzehn Seiten alles über die neue Platte und viele andere interessante Fakten. Ab dem 28. Mai.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 15:08:21 ET
Posted by: DF, Sweet Home Chicago

I've secured Chicago Tickets: section SEC 1, row 19.

I'm cool with this, considering my decade long banishment to the boondocks eluding the scope of the most elaborate of binoculars.

"Is that ant Donald?" "No it looks like Walter." "How can you tell?"

as was my sordid tale. But it's over now, I'm having a shake--I mean big black cow. I can exhale.

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!

It's gonna be one hell of a birthday! See you guys on 8/8!

Now bring on Columbus, baby!


DF

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 15:05:31 ET
Posted by: new2blu, motown

Oh my GOd.

I just went back to ticketmaster for the hell of it and I can buy tickets 20 rows closer than the tickets i bought at 10:01 fucking am when they went on sale.

What the hell should I do? Spend another 160 bucks and hope I can sell my shitty tix to someone???


ROW 18 or ROw 39???that is the question

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 15:04:17 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Bruce, if your son plays sax in a high school band, he should hear more live music (Steely Dan's a great start, though!). If you live in Chicago, then go to the Jazz Showcase, as they seem to be the best club in Chicago, bringing in the best national acts. The only way for a jazz musician to get better is by listening to the greats. I only say this because I just graduated from high school where I was lead trumpet in the band, and I learned 100 times more going out to jazz clubs than I did in the class.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 14:55:54 ET
Posted by: Dirk, Düsseldorf / Germany

EMG is "record of the month" at German Rolling Stone magazine...
they gave it 5 stars.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 14:00:54 ET
Posted by: Bob, Chicago- second city my ass

Can't even begin to figure ticketmaster out. Started hammering at 10:00 sharp, first up was sec. 6, back of floor, no thanks, next up, 110 lower level, pretty good, took those, kept trying, bounced back to sec. 6 again, try again and hit sec. 2 row 14, outstanding! I do see a pattern from other posters who got no closer than row 14, but persistence definitely pays, had the same luck with Gabriel. See everybody 08/08

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 13:57:47 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .

Stream Addict - There's all kinds of meanings thrown into the mix (as usual). In no way was I saying what I wrote was the one and only interpretation. It's all good and pure genius!

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 13:54:53 ET
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KY

Don't know if this was posted yet:

http://www.steelydan.com/kama.html

Looks good.

El Sup

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 13:49:16 ET
Posted by: Stream Addict, amazon.com

I think the narrator of the EMG track is Ken Lay or Bernie Ebbers. The bastards are federal regulators and auditors. We're going out of business. Everything must go.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 13:06:31 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Anone = Alone

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 13:04:01 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, EMG

Just listened to the nice pre-order stream of EMG. I have to say, the title cut might be the best Steely Dan tune ever recorded - IMHO. Yes, even better than Aja. The lyrics and the sax work are chilling. I have this image in my mind for the first 30 seconds with that explosion of sound - of the twin towers falling and crumbling to the ground. And when the dust clears we start the song. Fuck Bruce and The Rising, Don and Walt have the balls to offer up real 9/11 feelings because 'it's high time for a walk on the real side".

"let's admit the bastards beat us"

"talk about your major pain and suffering"

BUT!!....there's a glimmer of hope....

"Does anybody get lucky twice?
Wouldn't it be nice!"

A courageous and heart-breaking tune. Anone, it's worth the price of the CD.

Thanks Don and Walter!


Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 12:39:11 ET
Posted by: DACW,

new: I agree: Blues Beach is AC all the way - some of the AAA jocks and ClearChannel programmers are interested in being cool, not hip...plus AC leads to thousand of airplays, not hundreds...

...slip it sideways to the producers of CSI, the high tech tube show...they'll slide it in when you come on down...


amazon.com finally has the DVD-A version???....hmmmm....I'm picking mine up locally at 10 am (no midnite parties here except for a Garth Brooks release) 6/10...I can "pre-order"... listen to the tracks, then cancel on the 7th before picking it up locally...can't get lost in the mail...I'll have it in hand that morning...damn, every once in a while, I have a stroke of genius...hehehehehehe...maybe I'll be nice and buy the CD version for my car too...

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 12:19:24 ET
Posted by: Bill Swisher, Somewhere in the Maryland 'burbs

An ad the Nissan Pavilion ran in today's Washington Post plugging its summer concerts sez tix for SD's only DC-Baltimore area gig Aug. 27 will go on sale Saturday, June 21. Three weeks and counting!

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 12:05:45 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, these suburban streets

United Center Section 1 Row 14... hee haaa!

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 11:57:16 ET
Posted by: Moebius, Urbane Urbana

Finally settled on 111, Row 11, off the floor, in honor off my short wife, who won't stand the whole concert.....

My son, the sax player in the high school jazz band, is going to his first concert. Start him off right!

Bruce

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 11:43:22 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Glory Day indeed for Chi-town run

Section 3 row 14--a 3 pak...

see ya there

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 11:16:52 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Floating

Chicago tix are set, section 5 row 3 dead center woooo hooooo!

See ya there!!!


KC

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 11:11:28 ET
Posted by: New2blu, motown

I think that one of the biggest mistakes with regard to promotion is the stations that blues beach has been sent to. i.e. triple a radio. What the fuck is that. why not adult contemp. The fucking eagles are getting airplay with their laughable new song.

The dan should be on the hipper stations. I am in a burb of Motown and we have one station that plays the dan. We used to have a great station that played all of their shit but they closed shop and now it's all talk.

Just my two cents....


Get more airplay that sells records and gets people excited.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:48:18 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Asleep On The Couch

Yes indeed, New2Bleu! Those streams on Amazon are ear-opening, to say the least...Tip...Order your DVD-A on Amazon to get the streams and be the first in line at your local store on 6/10 for the CD...Thanks for the heads-up...Soho

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:45:42 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

This record is so good it's scary! Every review I read was right on. This is a classic Steely Dan record. Katy Lied, Aja, Everything Must Go. Sounds right to me.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:34:41 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

This record is so good it's scary! Every review I read was right on. This is a classic Steely Dan record. Katy Lied, Aja, Everything Must Go. Sounds right to me.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:31:53 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, . - .

Mock T - thanks for the heads up - sure enough it was there - I can even list to it at work!

Get ready in Chicago:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/wkp-news-tix30.html

Tickets went on sale at the Oakdale today at 10 - got on right away - whole lowe section had been sold - luckily I made other arrengements to get tickets.

Nice article about some if the features on the CD and DVD A
http://www.dotmusic.com/news/May2003/news29594.asp

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:07:58 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

new: Yes, EMG is going to me amazing!!!



ATTN: Irving Azoff. This is a case in point how hte promotional campaign is BACKASSWARDS!!!!! Those 5 audio streams should be available 24/7!!!! In fact, they should be a special cookie, that becomes the default mode in your computer when you turn it on (I leave mine on) or come out of the screen saver so that every American wakes up to Everything Must Go!!!! These masterpieces should be playing in ALL the Last Malls around the natioin. Next time Bush jumps on a carrier, they should be playing EMG instead of Hail to the Chief. This stuff is just pure, unadulterated AUDIO CRACK!!!! Now, let's get America hooked!!!!!!

Sales at amazon.com are in the 20s, while with TvN, they were consistently in the top 5...yet EMG is a much better album, rivaling Katy and Aja, Walter and Donald have done their job - now you do yours!!

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 10:01:38 ET
Posted by: mock t,

hey - so I placed a pre-order with amazon - but, it says that it won't even *ship* until june 17-aug 16. Huh?? I would've thought amazon would at least ship on the release date. otherwise, what's the point of pre-ordering? can someone ease my worries by telling me it will get to me on the 10th, plus or minus a few days? what have been your experiences with pre-ordering?

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 08:42:59 ET
Posted by: new2bleu, motown

Holy Fuck!
let me say that again Holy Fuck!

I went to amazon to check on my EMG order and they had 5 streaming full length songs for me.

Apparently, if you pre-ordered you can go to your "Digital Library" and listen. It would have been nice to know before hand. Typical amazon. Anyway, here they are in order as I received them:

Last mall - of course
Blues Beach - ditto
Things I miss the most - simply amazing, crisp, addictive like nicotine.
Lunch with Gina - delightful, great lyrics.
Everything must go - classic dan, lazy, tasty, perfect.

This album is going to be completely amazing.

Enjoy,

D.

Date: Fri, May 30, 2003, 02:04:24 ET
Posted by: suedave, overworked

Mitch - I'm totally with you about the 30 second clips. I listened to the CD one and a half times at lo-fi, and thought I wouldn't/shoudn't listen to the 30 second clips. And I didn't for a while...until I found myself humming the bass line in Godwhacker out of the blue one day I HAD to listen. Boy was that a mistake. It kept me awake that night and couldn't get The talk, The sex out of my head for days. Oy Vey! It was torture making it seem like June 10th was sooooooo far away.

Blues Beach - thought about you today when I saw a bus with BB for its route :) Then I thought of Beerberian. We need to meet up! BTW nice post.

Sounds like Jones Beach will have a great party before and after! Would be great to meet face to face with you all. Come on out to the Gorge, and the Seattle Danfest the night before. Sign up by going out to http://www.dandom.com/danfests/ and clicking on the Seattle link. Yes we're going to have a wing dinggggg

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 23:18:49 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Down on juniors farm

Just saw the info for the Memphis show. Looks to be like killer digs and only $50 a ticket. AND I'll get to hang with Matt! What more can you ask for!! Maybe just some beautiful weather to match the beautiful sounds we'll hear.

http://www.shelbyfarmsmusic.com/patriot.html


Peace out


KC


Where the hell are you hiding Earthbound???

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 19:22:48 ET
Posted by: Has anyone seen this yet?, blues beach

Becker and Fagen recently sat down with us to discuss Everything Must Go, as well as their approaches to songwriting and recording.


Can't Calculate a Thrill

"There's something vaguely apocalyptic about a lot of the tunes [on Everything Must Go]."
-- Donald Fagen
Donald Fagen: I don't think we really calculate [our musical focus] too much, really. After the fact, I think a lot of the albums do have a theme, although I don't think we've ever made a Steely Dan [disc] that was a concept album . . . We're concerned with certain things in the period that we're writing the songs, and they tend to sometimes reflect what's on our minds . . . There's something vaguely apocalyptic about a lot of the tunes, but if you look at the other albums there will always be some of those anyway.

Writing Logic

Walter Becker: A couple [of songs on the new album] were written as we went along. Most of them we wrote right before we went [into the studio].

DF: They're all pretty new songs. There may be, as always, musical fragments that we thought of long in the past that we never used for anything and came in handy -- that type of thing.

WB: Some were written after we started recording, but they weren't written in the studio.

DF: Maybe there were a few that were missing some lyrics as we were cutting the track, but basically, I don't think we ever write a song in the studio.

WB: We just don't work that way, and moreover, the kind of stuff we're playing, usually, needs a little more organization. It needs charts and some sort of a scheme.

DF: The chords are complicated . . . and generally just the way we naturally write something is, you need a little time to consider. We'll write the first draft or something, and then we'll sit on it for a few days, and we'll always end up changing it a great deal or rewriting it.

WB: Adding things to it.

DF: We want to make it good, not fast.

Studio Logic

WB: [Recording this album was a] little bit of a throwback process because not only did we have this band that we did all the tracks with, but we were also working in a studio with analog tape where we didn't have any digital editing stuff around. It was like the way it was in the '70s. To [record] a track, you pretty much had to get it that day with the band and put it all together and [fix] little mistakes. You can do real crude editing with analog tape. It's not that crude, but you just don't do very much of it. You could go from one take to another or something like that.

DF: It was always the same six guys playing with one keyboard substitution for a couple days. It was really a band in a true sense because it was mostly guys we've been working with on the road also for a few years.

WB: We just sort of fell into [using analog tape] because of the way this particular studio was equipped. We were doing something else in this place, and they didn't have any digital machines -- a place called Sear Sound. Everything sounded great working with Elliot Shiner, who is great at dealing with analog tape and getting good sounds on tape.

DF: We walked in there, and it turned out it was one of the studios we started out playing in in the '60s. It was the old Hit Factory, the exact room we had done some work in, which we always had remembered as being a really good room. It was more or less unchanged. Some of the equipment was updated, but it was a familiar sound when we'd go back and listen to the tracks. The drums sounded a certain way and it encouraged us to want to do it in an old-fashioned way.

Song by Song

" It's more exciting to write something outside yourself than just how you feel about something."
-- Donald Fagen
DF: That just comes naturally to us -- to tell a story. We both like to read, so we're kind of literary in that sense, and it's more exciting to write something outside yourself than just how you feel about something.

WB: You have to do that to do what we do -- to write a story, or write a novel or write a song where the person singing the song is a fictional character. You have to write about what you feel. But you don't necessarily have to -- you're not limited to exactly what you feel, and it can be framed differently or more subtly, or you can use plot instead of dialogue or whatever to illustrate ideas or feelings, and so on.

Interview by Dave Schulps

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 18:55:25 ET
Posted by: Scotty (at work), Sydney

G'Day Shaun. Brace yourself cobber, you'll be stumbling around the JB carpark like a wombat if you try and keep up with that lunatic fanofdan. If theres a nip in the air, he'll drink it ! I learn't the hard way.

Both of us will be at the JB gig. It'll be our very first SD concert, and, as you can imagine, we are jumping out of our skins in anticipation. We're also looking forward to putting faces to the names of this great online community.

A day at the "beach", a barby, a cold beer and a performance by the greatest band in the world !

Fair dinkum, is that place heaven ?

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 18:31:19 ET
Posted by: To: db,

The idea with Live365 also is that the FCC has laws against stations playing the same artist too much. You can't day after day play Steely Dan or any single artist more than 4 times in any given three hour period. The loop hole is that you that if playing is randomized through a non-human method, you can get away with it since it is not intentional repetetion, assuming the number of times you have inserted the same artist is enough that 4 songs per 3 hours is the average. A lot of "all Steely Dan" or "All Bob Dylan" and the like stations that have been shut down on Live 365.

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 17:46:02 ET
Posted by: db,

Godwhacker.
Thats not a real harmonica !!

''step back son''

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 17:38:14 ET
Posted by: db,

there using the old '' Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 114'' routine.

the details are long ...& dull.

However i only broadcast what had already been transmitted, & only to my 280 listeners with no advertising & with a warning to them if they wished not to listen.

Having said that i'm listening to a downloaded version of emg recorded in a .wav form playing @ 1411kbps.

(i've ordered the dvd-a & cd anyhow)

db

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 17:28:39 ET
Posted by: Yvonne, a ring

db: That was your 365 site? Was it a *watermarked* copy? Is Steely Dan on the case?

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 17:22:38 ET
Posted by: db,

Your right i am indeed in trouble !!!

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 17:12:55 ET
Posted by: db,

Your right it's down.
I'm now off to face the head !!!

( i did broadcast a warning first )

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 16:59:39 ET
Posted by: Big Dog,

Apparently, http://www.live365.com/stations/293319 is/was playing EMG continuously, but I can't get it. Have they been shut down? Anyone know if it was the streamed copy or the real deal?

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 16:19:17 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Beantown

Fanofdan- You got a deal. I'll be at the Jones Beach show. You bring the barbie, I'll bring the prawns. After a few of those shrimps and a couple of Fosters, I'll be hoping around the Jones Beach parking lot like a freaking kangaroo!!

G-Day

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 15:58:29 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, Australia

Shaun:- Hot and bothered you say, I don't think so !!! Fella
Aren't you guys famous for hot dogs and root beer ?
I'll see you at some of the Danfests and Shows no doubt then and I'll give you a few tips on how to cook prawns on the barbie mate !

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 15:34:51 ET
Posted by: climb up the glacier, hug everything you see

http://news.google.com/news?q=Steely+Dan&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=G&edition=usa&scoring=d

Bookmark this. Your own pocket big fan.

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 15:07:38 ET
Posted by: Mitch,

Man...these 30 second clips are KILLING me!!! I cannot WAIT for this record!!!

Mitch

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 11:09:24 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Hey Einstien- What am I ...fucking Kreskin? Well, if you're right and that's the case, their will definitely be a SECOND SHOW!

Fan of Dan- What can I say? I'm spoiled. And now to get you even more hot and bothered. I'll be hitting 15 shows this summer/fall, while your down under cooking on the barbe. Don't choke on the vegemite!

Best,
Paul Hogan

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 09:00:44 ET
Posted by: new2blu, motown

Kamakiriad will have two videos and a documentary of the making of the tomorrow's girls video:

http://www.lasersedge.com/item_detail.asp?id=42418&tMedia=6


I wasn't even aware that this was going to be released. SOunds interesting.

Take a look.

Regards,
d.

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 08:57:21 ET
Posted by: ., .

Hey Einstein in Boston:
if the first show sells out they will add the second.

what a dork.

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 08:29:03 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home - sick after coaching in the rain too long

Album Review:
http://launch.yahoo.com/read/album.asp?contentID=213044

Classic Rock acts rule - this is an AP article that showed up today in about 5 newspapers - this is the Canadaian edition:
http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/may28_concerts-ap.html

Hot Summer sounds: My Old School - is this becoming an old chestnut?
http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~23169~1421113,00.html

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 07:21:31 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

A spunky review of Dan albums, not including 2vN or EMG.



Regards


Jaco


http://colereviews.tripod.com/steely.html

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 06:11:51 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, 70 miles southof Sydney,AUSTRALIA

They got a name for the WHINGERS in the world
Call me SHAUN from BOSTON!

Mate ,are you for real?
Do even realize just how lucky you are??
Here you have the best band in the world playing in your own backyard and your complaining about having to travel from Boston to NY and that there is only one show.
Whats that ? A few hundred miles.
Perhaps you would prefer it if they came and played in your living room!
Try organizing a trip half way around the world just to see the play!
Shaun, my heart bleeds for you and others here who complain.
Just count your LUCKY STARS that they are even touring and in
YOUR BACKYARD!!!! as well.

Date: Thurs, May 29, 2003, 02:01:03 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SECOND ROSELAND SHOW??!!!!

This BLOWS! I was so pumped to come down to NYC for both shows. I mean, it can't be because they can't sell the place out for two nights. They sold Madison Square Garden out in 20 minutes back in 1993. That set a record for the fastest sellout in the history of MSG! MSG holds close to 20,000 people! Are you trying to tell me they can't sell out two nights in a place that holds 3,000 people... in their own home town? It's the middle of Manhattan for Gods sake!
I don't think it's worth coming to NYC for only one show. I hope Roseland sells out the Sept 12th gig in one day. That will show the bastards! THIS SUCKS!! Fuck

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 23:37:08 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Krusty Punk Of Addison Park

Mojo reviewed EMG and gave it 4 out of 5 stars. It reviewed about 10 new releases by other artists (including Radiohead) and they all received 4 stars (except one chick's release received 5 stars).

If you think that the DVD-A sound is too clean, you may prefer the punchier 5.1 DTS mix on the same disk. IMO, the DTS mix on TVN is a little bit better.

m.e.

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 23:34:48 ET
Posted by: Pathetic Bullshit,

This is utter BULLSHIT

The fact is that there is NO promotion of this tour and that is why they keep having to cancel dates.

Irving Assoff is doing nothing for this band but using them and plugging them into his formulaic "management" equation and doing nothing for the fans or the band.

How ridiculous - first State Fairs on his Frampton/Creedence/Bob Dylan, blah, blah Tour Train, now having to cancel shows left and right.

I'm sure the party line is "logistics" or whatever, but just look at ebay or call ticket brokers. You don't just go booking dates and retracting as if babbling in the wind.

Dan tix are like so many pieces of toilet paper that just won't flush down the bowl and simply swirl around endlessly.

You have front row and otherwise primo seats glutting ebay for many Dan shows and ticket brokers couldn't give a flying F*&%#K about the tour.

Mind you, it's not for lack of a GREAT album coming - it's Irving Assoff and, probably also the label - who know and are guilty, but this whole thing is an insult to the band and a freakin pain in the ass to fans who would like to PLAN to see multiple shows.

No matter what excuse given, it holds no water

Yes, it's PATHETIC and BULLSHIT

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 23:19:02 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Soho

Mr. Beatty and I were wondering about any plans in the works for a Fest prior to the Costa Mesa show...There was a mention on the Blue awhile back regarding a post-party at a nearby watering hole but nothing about a pre-party...Anyone have any info?

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 21:51:33 ET
Posted by: Larry, Jersey

One less show at Roseland? I now see only one night listed,What gives?

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 21:12:31 ET
Posted by: new2bleu, Motown

Thanks Firemop. Very well put.

I still didn't notice any distortion even with the MP3. However, I can only imagine what the dvd-a will sound like. I have 2vn in dvd-a and it sounds almost fake. I don't mean that in a bad way but the instruments sound somewhat bizarre in that they are missing that warm sort of feeling that my Gold Aja disc has.

To me the Aja and Gaucho mobile fidelity sound labs gold discs sound remarkable at higher volumes and in headphones.

DVD-A is delightful as well just a bit cold. If I am not mistaken didn't they use some sort of drum machine on some tracks on 2vn.

Regards,

D.

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 19:46:01 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

CHICAGO PRE-SALE & CONTEST UPDATE

After sponsoring in 1996, but taking a pass for the 2000 tour, WXRT 93.1 FM is again sponsoring Steely Dan's show August 8 show at the United Center.

'XRT is hosting a pre-sale this Friday at The link is below.
and the password is "everything" The pre-sale runs this Friday May 30 from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., or as long as 'XRT's ticket allotment lasts. There is a 4 ticket limit per customer. The password/redemption code is: "everything" (case sensitive)

PreSale Link:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/040036B6E7E11E35?brand=&artistid=736195&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

ALSO--CONTEST:
They are giving away 20 pairs of tickets to the Chicago show. See this link to sign up, follow the rules, etc.

That's good if you win and bad if you don't since that means 40 seats already gone!

http://www.wxrt.com/cgi-bin/contests/enter.pl/steelydan

Heck, go to the second link, sign up to win, and then follow the link on that page to Ticketmaster.

As far as Danfests go, there will be more than a few events planned. Be sure to get on the Chicago Danfest list, if you aren't already. Just send email to majordomo@dandom.com with the words "subscribe chicago" by itself in the email message, (leave out the quotes).

WHoo Hoo!

jim

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 18:26:01 ET
Posted by: little boy dude, a review

http://launch.yahoo.com/read/album.asp?contentID=213044

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 17:33:10 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Hey Joey - Are you sure you didn't just pop a few Viagra tabs?

Mark in Boston "

Mark ......................You make Joey smile .

JOEY !

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 16:32:25 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Blue Pill/book

Hey Joey - Are you sure you didn't just pop a few Viagra tabs?

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 16:15:38 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Some people complain that modern digital recordings sound harsh in the higher frequency ranges, and that the standard sampling rates of CD's prevent them from having a theoretical frequency response as good as analog. "

Firemop ............................

When you write like that my capillaries become engorged and my arteries floweth open like never before .......................

Thank You

Joey !

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 15:42:11 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Uptown Baby! Uptown Baby!

New2bleu - The Blues Beach download, which was sampled at 192Kbps, does sound pretty good, but any of the production EMG recordings (CD/DVD/DVD-A) should sound much better than the download - especially on the gear that you described. MP3 compression, even at higher bit rates does introduce distortion (a.k.a. "artifacts") into the audio.

Way back in the "Nightfly" era, digital recordings were a breakthrough because they eliminated most of the noise inherent in the analog recording and mastering process. Some people complain that modern digital recordings sound harsh in the higher frequency ranges, and that the standard sampling rates of CD's prevent them from having a theoretical frequency response as good as analog. I never really had a problem with that because digital is so much better than the analog recordings I collected in my youth. But today, with the advent of modern digital signal processing technology, it is possible to remove the noise from analog recordings and have them sound as good or better than digital.

Sorry for the windy response, but that's my story and I am sticking to it. :)

-fmop

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 13:46:54 ET
Posted by: DF, An Addendum

Hi all

The link that I posted last night to the Duke Ellington book is incorrect. Here's the correct link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dbooks%26field-keywords%3DThe%20King%20of%20all%2C%20Sir%20Duke%26url%3Dindex%3Dbooks%26store-name%3Dbooks/104-0509016-0075121

Sorry 'bout that,

DF

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 12:56:53 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

Big Fan - I picked up the DVD-A of Nightfly a few weeks back at Best Buy. They probably had 30-40 titles in a wide variety of artists. I had my receiver in the shop when I bought it with the hope that they would tell me it was junk so I would have an excuse to do some upgrades to my ancient system. As luck would have it, it only cost me about $50 to repair it. So here I was with a standard DVD player and my 1993 Technics Dolby ProLogic II surround receiver. I was blown away by the sound quality. I couldn't play the 5.1 tracks but the standard Dobly surround tracks were awesome. You sould be in for quite the aural treat with your new set up. Anyone who has a standard player and a surround receiver should pick up the DVD-A's, it is definately worth it.

KC

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 10:47:38 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

If you feel like chillin'

Go Here

http://beachroadinn.com/photo/15.htm

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 09:25:57 ET
Posted by: new2bleubook, Motown

Help!! I am really green when it comes to recordings and their respective sound quality but why does my downloaded copy of Blues Beach sound so good? Isn't analogue an inferior recording process?

I just don't understand why the Dan would leave the digital domain if it is so spectacular.

I listened to blues beach on sennheiser headphones and on my Klipsch speakers via a Rotel CD player and Sunfire Pre-amp etc.(all insane audiophile quality) and I couldn't for the life of me hear any anomolies or quality less than that of 2 vs. Nature, Nightfly etc.

Just wondering....

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 09:18:56 ET
Posted by: What happened,

Hey it looks like they removed the 2nd Roseland show from the tour list dammit

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 09:11:06 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, More rain

Retailers hopingsales of new CD's help:http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=musicNews&storyID=2827067

John G - stilllove that picture from 96 - shot with the disposible camera. I can't make Greatwoods this year either - but I'm hitting all of the surrounding shows. Time to try something new.

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 01:57:41 ET
Posted by: Clas & Work, http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops

ST Looser - "HIS guestbook cd compilation"???

Is this what I get when my inner Mothere Theresa finally made a break through?

Life aint fair!

By the bye Looser, you're welcome to participate, follow the link above and send your stuff to me.

Date: Wed, May 28, 2003, 01:06:43 ET
Posted by: DF,

Good Evening All,

I was scanning various pieces of literature and stumbled upon the following book:

The King of All, Sir Duke: Ellington and the Artistic Revolution
by Peter Lavezzoli

Heres a brief excerpt from the Barnes and Noble website:

"This book is both study and appreciation. It begins by recounting Ellington's life as well as his musical work, secular and sacred."

It's relevant because it includes among others, a profile of Steely Dan. My copy is en route!

More info one this book can be found at:

http://www.eshop.msn.com/eshopframe.aspx?merchId=2418&catId=24&u=http%3a%2f%2fservice.bfast.com%2fbfast%2fclick%3fbfmid%3d2181%26sourceid%3d300349%26ISBN%3d0671025554

Enjoy.

Laters

DF

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 23:38:43 ET
Posted by: ., .

that's GreenBook

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 23:33:51 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

Wait - I found it! Does anyone know which song the middle clip in the second installment is from? The very brief one with the piano in it . . .

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 23:03:46 ET
Posted by: John G,

Big Fan,
I just installed a new sound system too in order to enjoy the new one appropriately! Bring on the DVD-A! I've moved to Dallas so I won't be able to see you at Great Woods again this summer. I sure hope the crowds are as good here as they are in New England!

St. Looser,
Cut it out. You're disturbing the peace. Contribute positively, and you'll find kindred spirits here. No need to diss.

14 days to go!!

All best,
John

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 22:42:07 ET
Posted by: CrellMoset,

Why is the 4th segment not available for me!? Aick! Does anybody have the URL?

CrellMoset

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 22:28:39 ET
Posted by: h. san,

Greetings. For those who have not yet heard, Blues Beach is featured on this week's (May 25) Le Show- (www.harryshearer.com).
Thank you Mr. Burns!

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 22:02:05 ET
Posted by: oleander, in the caboose

Heyoops.

Fr Wm--Lizzie doesn't need an amanuensis, she needs another rum & Coke. I may have nothing left but shattered dreams of ever saying another thing about a Steely tune, but I have faith that Dandom will. My fingers are Ouija-poised.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 21:36:30 ET
Posted by: St. Looser, seattle

Hey! The piss pages didn't even know a new Steely Dan record was coming until a few days ago. The main topic of conversation today was YGK hawking his new cd and Clas trying to get people to sign up for his guestbook cd compilation. Both of these guys should lock themselves in a room, turn up the gas oven to high, and go to sleep.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 20:48:31 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Hey! While we were all taking a piss the reptile babe just got in the cab on the ODP! Check it out!

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 20:30:32 ET
Posted by: Give me a break,

I told my husband three minutes before. So there!

The first place it was discussed was in Chat, right after the link was posted, not that it matters, except to deflate the poster named "pissing match."

The ICE thing is groovy.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 20:08:03 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at last

Scored a copy of Ice magazine at Strawberries tonight - Borders is across the street and I was heading there next - thanks Hoops. I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While I was in Srawberries I asked the young girl if they reularly carried DVD-Audio releases? She said you mean CD's you play in your DVD. I said no they a special medium that you have to play in a special DVD-Audio player. Oh she says - I don't know. Her young male counterpart says - we got one in today - Eric Clapton. I said do you stock many? He said that was the first he'd seen. So my question to you all is where is the best place to buy them. I don't have any problem ordering online - but I'd like to look at the package sometime. Borders, Media Play, Best Buy - we don't have a lot of choices around here.

Thanks,
BF

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 20:05:58 ET
Posted by: pissingcontest, the last mawl

m.e.: The Winnah was on the Yellow:

NAME: Noone'severgonnaknow [Homepage] [Email] [] [M]
/\
1507
\/ that it's Big Noise New York...great music for brooding and facism...

find a handle guys!

great sound!! tune , groove and LOL!!! ...rita watch yer metah!!!



May 10, 2003 15:25
IP: logged


A Full 18 minutes before Mark!! Great minds are sculpted alike!

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 18:26:50 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA

For purposes of clarification, there was some inquiry here on the Bluebook about a month or so ago concerning Steely Dan's management; I have confirmation that Walter Becker is (again) being "managed" by Irving Azoff through 'Azoffmusic Management,' while Donald Fagen is being "managed" by Jeff Kramer through 'OK Management Co.'

So there you go-

Randy / NIGHTFLY**@aol.com

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 17:47:16 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Missed

Johnny:

No offense, but the boat sailed on May 10th. Boston Rag is the captain of the ship. See below...


Date: Sat, May 10, 2003, 18:53:25 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Wooooowwwwwwww!!!! You go Rita! That's a scream! And the snippet of "Everything Must Go" sounds great! Puts me in mind of "Big Noise, New York". Yeeaaaaaahhhhh!!!!

Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 17:04:15 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" I may have missed the boat on this, but the song EMG bears a resemblance to part of donald's big noise new york...listen to BNNY with the EMG line "no one's ever gonna know", and you'll hear it, if only that bit.

johnny "

Johnny ..............me thinks that you have just a little bit too much time on your hands .................and you know what ???????? .....................I kinda like that !

Joey !

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 16:49:52 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

How have you heard "Were You Blind That Day"?

It's not uncommon for bands to recycle parts of compositions in unused tunes. For example, "Lady With The Spinning Head" is a b-side to U2's "Achtung Baby" record. There's a good part of it that wound up on the album in the form of "Ultraviolet (Light My Way)".

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 16:24:32 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Johnny- You didn't miss the boat. The tittle track in certain sections is "Big Noise New York" with different lyrics. Not as obvious as "Were You Blind That Day" compared to "Third World Man". I'm not complaining. "Big Noise New York" as far as I'm concerned, is the most underrated Donald Fagen/Steely Dan song to date!

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 15:36:08 ET
Posted by: Johnny , The big casino on the beach

i may have missed the boat on this, but the song EMG bears a resemblance to part of donald's big noise new york...listen to BNNY with the EMG line "no one's ever gonna know", and you'll hear it, if only that bit.

johnny

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 15:15:15 ET
Posted by: angel,

I guess its time for my weekly comment, on the lack of new Steely Dan Confessions. Hi Reprise, it's Tuesday 5/27. :-)

Hard to get Steely Dan off my mind, with Joe's wonderful screensaver parading over my screen. Thanks again, Joe.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 13:53:29 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, not at home yet

Shaun, not that I can go - but I can't remember - did it always say Event Center at or just Borgata?

I think I solved the seating # discrepancy - there are two venues there at the Borgata - one holds 1000, the other 2500:
"Big-name entertainers will perform primarily in the 1,000-seat Music Box theater, although the 2,500-seat, multipurpose Event Center can also be used."

Those are going to be some fine seats for whoever does get them.

I was commenting on the two CT shows. The promoters legaized scalping orders are in and it usually takes about two weeks to sort those and see what tickets are left before they go on sale to the general public on Tickets.com - which would be around June 7. I wonder if they won't put both on sale at the same time?

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 13:42:48 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

(Seeing the latest talk here on the Bluebook concerning [hopeful] live song performances, I thought I'd repost my take on the same topic which was posted to the yellow a few weeks ago.)

Dansters,

To thread or not to thread; that is the question. At this time of another pending release and tour dates, one begins to speculate (perhaps prematurely) on WHAT will be played at _____________ (fill in the location of the gig you're attending). Here's some wishful thinking for your perusal or scrolling (the majority of which will surely never shift air molecules in a live capacity during the 2003 tour):

1. "Everything You Did" (A fine candidate for a Becker vocal treatment)
2. "The Nightfly"
3. "Night By Night"
4. "Gaucho"
5. "Two Against Nature"
6. "Junkie Girl"
7. "I Got The News"
8. "The Fez"
9. "Your Gold Teeth II"
10. "Lucky Henry"

Randy / NIGHTFLY**@aol.com

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 13:42:46 ET
Posted by: Joe M,

Thanks Ole, thanks Jim, thanks to all for your kind words re:EMG screensaver, etc...

My god, EMG is one for the books, huh?

Stunning solo's, chord progressions, lyrics, voices...

This is gonna be one helluva summer!

JM

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 13:23:00 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Big Fan- I believe that Atlantic City show as been moved to another venue. Check SD.com

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 10:23:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At work after long weekend yawn

I ordered a DVD-A player yesterday and a new amp/reciever for the home system. Nothing fancy; in preparation for June 10. I should have eveything all hooked up by then. Integrating the Sat dish, cable, etc. etc. makes for a mess. I ordered a copy of The Nightfly DVD-A also - can't wait to get based on that comment about the liner notes. Looking forward to Kama now. What does anyone out there think of other DVD-A releases - which ones are worth getting - or not?

I would expect about two weeks before the Mohegan Sun and Oakdale shows go on sale.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 10:15:33 ET
Posted by: new2blue, Motown

Just another heads up.

If you pick up the new copy of Sound & Vision magazine there is a blurb regarding Fagen's Nightfly DVD-A release.

Essentially, the reviewer said that Fagen's liner notes alone are worth the price....and then the usual stuff like how it was amazing in the 80's on regular CD and how this version is spectacular...also "Green Flower Street" was mentioned as the standout track for the 5.1 version.

Enjoy....

D.

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 10:12:53 ET
Posted by: new2blue, Motown

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 10:12:53 ET
Posted by: new2blue, Motown

Date: Tues, May 27, 2003, 00:15:22 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Hoops, I doubt "How Long Has This Been Going On" was spur of the moment, as there were arrangements for each tune. Something like Sonny Rollins' "On Impulse" was recorded, as the title suggests, spur of the moment (ironically enough, it was one of Sonny's only records for the Impulse label, too, but that had nothing to do with the title), and you can tell from the music.

Anyone else get Toronto tickets?

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 23:32:47 ET
Posted by: h,

The same issue of ICE also lists the DVD-A of Kama as now coming out on June 24. And ICE corrects itself from a previous issue where it referred to "Snowbound" as "Snowblind." (I thought it was funny.)

As discussed in chat tonight, Walter Becker also says in ICE:
"Speaking of new surround-sound technologies, Becker confesses, 'I don't listen to music that way; I like to listen to music in front of me. One way to [satisfy me] would be to use the rear channels for hall ambience. But having the music come out of those different channels does create a real clarity that makes a case for it. Maybe we could do it like they do in the movies: and add helicopters and gunfire to the rear channels in some of our upcoming remixes.'"

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 22:18:45 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Trying to catch up here.

Big Fan and All:
ICE Magazine is at most Borders, among other places. That's where I got mine. I used to susbcribe for a long time, but let it lapse more recently. Before the internet was such a resrouce, ICE Newsletter (as it was called in the late 80s through mid 90s) was a great place to watch for the release date on Kama as well as a great place to watch for the REVISE release date on Kama. Hb would report on ICE for the Digest all the time.

Jesse:
I love "How Long Has This Been Going On." One thing about the album is that it was recorded without any rehearsals and I believe not even an advance setlist.

Oh! Hi O. ;-)


jim

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 17:52:46 ET
Posted by: Shotan, UK

The Dan Collective:
(ex-Danny Steel Orchestra)
The UK's latest Steely Dan Revue band
are appearing on

Saturday 31st May at 9pm
The Musician
Clyde Street
Leicester, LE1 3DE
box office
0116 283 5533

Performing the coolest music on the planet...STEELY DAN
All live ...and kicking.
"close your eyes and you'll be there, it's everything they say..."

www.thedancollective.co.uk

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 13:31:40 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Raining

Hardly a notice - I don't think so :
http://www.nynewsday.com/entertainment/local/newyork/ny-etledev3301523may26,0,7134425.story?coll=ny-nyc-entertainment-headlines

Thanks to all for the heads up on the Downbeat and Ice magazines. I got a copy of Downbeat at Barnes & Noble today - great article - who sells ICE magazine?

While I was in B&N I noticed they were selling McPartland (sp?) CD's of special shows that she did - Dizzie Gilespy, etc. Looks like they have put out 4 of these. - $11.99. Here's hoping they put out the one with D&W.

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 13:06:48 ET
Posted by: father william,

ole - I thought lizzie overwhelmed you. Is there really to be a place for emg fever dreams after all?

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 10:10:22 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Yes, "How Long Has This Been Going On". I thought the arrangements were pretty lame, and just found it to be an uninspired album. Also, if it wasn't Van, and some regular jazz singer, I would have hated the record.

I am really, really ecstatic, as I just got my Toronto tickets. I'm happy that most Steely Dan fans don't have to get their tickets right when they go on sale, as that leaves room for die hards like me to score SECOND ROW DEAD CENTRE, 100 LEVEL SEATS!!!! That's right, second row in an amphitheatre that seats 16 thousand!

WOO HOO!!

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 05:11:26 ET
Posted by: His mother,

Jesse! How long has this been going on?

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 04:24:42 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

One more thing about the Van record, it's all original material. I'm happy about that, as I wasn't a fan of the jazz record he did with Verve ("How Long Has This Been Going On").

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 03:13:38 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I know there's a lot of Van Morisson fans on this forum (including me). I just read on Blue Note's website (the record label) that Van is recording his Blue Note debut right now. That is so cool!

Date: Mon, May 26, 2003, 01:18:57 ET
Posted by: oleander, from out of state

Lee--Many thanks for giving the url for fever dreams. Bob-o--let me know about your stuff.

NOW LISTEN UP! Whole new album--I'll be poised and ready to be the Dandom amanuensis for any & all comments on EMG lyrics. I've made note of a few of them already--when time comes to open up the EMG section of fever dreams, please check it out, and if you feel I haven't credited you adequately, let me know. As ever, takes on ANY of the tunes welcome always....

YGK--dammit, man, gotta get my mitts on Core.... Let me know how....

Joe--We are not worthy!! The Murtha Man is AT IT AGAIN! Fantastic. Mille fois merci.

EMG is a bitterly brilliant tune. Kind of like in "Dune," where the shields the good guys have can be breached only by a slow, controlled thrust of a blade.... The Dan wield such a blade.

I get chills hearing Mr. B in Slang of Ages. It sounds so right to hear him sing on a Dan album at last.

hb--thanx for the ICE tip.

Blaise--what show(s) you going to?

DF--re musical refs--there's a little wink at Les Paul in Blues Beach, right at the end of "slack in the tension." Especially sweet as they won the Les Paul Award from MIX in 2001--see http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2001/dec5a.html if you haven't. There's a lovely pic of Mr. Paul autographing Mr. Becker's award.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 21:35:19 ET
Posted by: hb, hbMedia,

The latest issue of ICE Magazine has WALTER AND DONALD AS THE FEATURE Story! Great interview! I'll write more a little later on.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 17:40:12 ET
Posted by: stupid father, supai

Here's my guess on the setlist this year.

Five or six from the new one. Maybe if it's their last tour (and if they don't care about alienating their casual fans), they'll play all 9 new ones. If the title cut is the "piece de resistance" as one reviewer says, that might be the final encore (a farewell song).

one or two from 2vN. Hopefully the title cut. If the new one is as good as we're led to believe, 2vN might get token treatment only.

two or three oldies that have never been dusted off. These will be big production set-openers (like Boston Rag and Scam in 2000). Think Gaucho, H.Divorce, Show-Biz Kids, Dr. Wu, Caves or Gold Teeth.

one or two minor oldies like Charlie Freak, or Kings. The former could be sung by Walter, the latter by Fagen and les girls.

The second set will be closed by an uptempo classic such as Bodhisattva/Black Friday/My Old School, or a stunner ("you want it, you got it") for the die hards i.e., Second Arrangement.

And of course there will be 3-4 of the old standbys like Peg/Josie/Deacon/19/Babylon/FM.

If this is the last tour, hopefully Skunk and Denny will play on the last gig, and this makes it onto the eventual and obligatory live CD. Enough material (not on AIA or Rock and Soul) will have been played on the last three tours to cover a 2CD set.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 11:47:01 ET
Posted by: P-G E, "the end of a perfect day..."

Jesse: Thanks for the answer. Sounds like it could be a great evening with Donald, Walter & the band!

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 08:18:17 ET
Posted by: Jim Cargill, Scotland

Hi Earl,
No offence taken. Big problem is how you need to pick up more than one format to get all the new material. I'll be buying the CD with bonus DVD *and* the DVD-audio.
Regards
Jim

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 07:42:37 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Jim,

I was trying to make a pun out of your name. At least stateside, there's a company named Cargill Salt. Anyway, it was an attempt at humor.

As far as advance copies go, it ain't a big deal, because I'm sure you and others that have them are going to get out on the 10th or thereabouts to pick up an official copy (or for the reclusive fans, Amazon.com). It's just amusing to watch the subsect of Dan-fan that must have and know by heart every Fagen, Becker, or Fagen/Becker-recorded track on the history of the earth. I'm by no means knocking them, because they are pretty much what makes up the regulars on this board. I guess I look at the new album as a birthday or Christmas gift...you ask for it, you know you're getting it, and it's so tempting to snoop to find out what it is. But do you take the plunge or wait patiently?

YGK - if you were referring to me, I will enjoy it: on 6/10/2003.

Earl

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 07:28:20 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home - no rain - yeah

NY Fair:
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle:
http://www.rochesterdandc.com/news/0525story5_news.shtml


Pittsburgh, Pa bumming SD not going there - I guess it's Hershey or Cleveland
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/entertainment/s_136320.html

Tahoe:
http://www.recordcourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030524/NEWS/305240103

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 06:33:55 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, in the pouring rain

Jesse: I found it. Dr. Wu.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 04:43:47 ET
Posted by: Clas , http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops

Jaco - It was a serious question, thanx for answering.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 01:41:18 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - standing corrected

Ah, so Rikki was played in '96. Missed that tour.

Yes, Dr. Wu (imagine Walt Weiskopf on tenor) would be sweet.

Final Arrangement would fit perfectly with this swingin' rhythm section.

Your Gold Teeth II might be tasty. Ted Baker, Jon Herington

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 01:33:44 ET
Posted by: Mr. Sam, Fact Checking Desk

Matt: I'm pretty certain that 1996 is, in fact, the ONLY tour (since 1993 at least) in which the boys played Rikki.

I've verified that it wasn't part of the 1993 and 2000 tour setlists at Merriwether Post Pavilion and Nissan Pavilion. And, while I can't verify its omission from the 1994 setlist yet, I'm about 95% sure that they didn't play it.

That said, I'd gladly trade ten Rikki's for one Dr. Wu, one Caves of Altimira, and one Second Arrangement in the 2003 setlist.

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 00:39:30 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga

Jive...Rikki was played at least a couple of times, if not on most of the concerts, during the 96 Art Crimes tour. It's one of those songs that I'd trade for...I dunno...The Caves of Altamira.

Matt

Date: Sun, May 25, 2003, 00:31:56 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC

In the past few years, I've turned a good friend who knew virtually nothing about Steely Dan outside of his mocking, condescending parody of Riki Don't Lose That Number, into someone who truly appreciates their genius.

He's starting to "get" Walter & Donald, yet the transformation will not be complete until he sees them in concert this summer.

One of the concert trademarks of W&D, live, is their ability to take old tunes like Do It Again, Reelin', and Dirty Work, and Monkey In Your Soul, and transform them into newly arranged, fresh, state-of-the-art masterpieces.

Would it not be amazing to see a concert opened up with an amazing new version of Riki? I don't believe that it has ever been on a concert play list, and a fresh new arrangement would set the stage for all to follow. Don't be surprised if it happens.

30 second clips are great. The rich layers are beginning to slowly reveal themselves. The grooves are starting to lock into the grey matter. It's happening oce again. There is no escape, and no denying. It's everything they say...the end of a perfect day...distant lights from across the bay...

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 23:55:18 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Want to point out this obvious reference in GodWhacker...

we sniff your big tiger in the forests of the night...

an allusion to the William Blake ppoem, The Tyger.

Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare sieze the fire?


And what shoulder, & what art.
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?


What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?


When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?


Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 20:26:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, ...

Here's the Downbeat link to cover:
http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=magazine

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 20:25:45 ET
Posted by: DACW, double dreaming a page at a time

***SEMI-SPOILER***

The Teaser to the Downbeat(.com) article:


Steely Dan
Reelin' In The Ears
By Josef Woodard

Call it one of those triple-take moments, when a jarring moment of disorientation quickly yields to the warm glow of self-assurance. There they were, sneaky pop sophisticates Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, from the venerable musical experiment called Steely Dan, keeping company and time with Marian McPartland on her “Piano Jazz” radio program. What are pop musicians doing on this show? Quickly, the thought is amended: The Fagen–Becker braintrust has, more successfully than anyone else in the past 30-plus years, brought back to life pop’s close kinship to jazz.

Fagen and McPartland have a low-key tete a tete on “Mood Indigo,” and McPartland is invited to play, says Fagen, an E “or notes of your choosing” on the ode to stock market meltdown “Black Friday” to close the show. And all is right with the world. It’s part of the peculiar pretzel logic by which this strangely successful American band has operated.

Paradoxes come freely in the Steely Dan saga, starting with the fact that the group is not a group, per se, but a partnership at the center of an ever-shifting constellation of ace musicians, on stage and in the studio. Market-wise, they don’t really belong, spiritually and idiomatically, to such radio formats as “smooth jazz,” “classic rock” and “soft rock.” Yet, there they are. They also aren’t a product of the late-’60s counter-culture implosion, but rather a reaction against it, a throwback to the pre-rock & roll dumbing-down, to the era when popular music was about Cole Porter, Duke Ellington, clever, innuendo-laden lyrics and 32-bar song forms expanded to allow ample room for improvisation. "


Try to look at the cover without blinking - I dare ya

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 19:57:52 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I think the Molson Amphitheatre is great. I've been to a few sheds, like Darien Lake, Deer Creek, Jones Beach, Finger Lakes PAC, Pine Knob. Anyway, while it doesn't beat Jones Beach, the Molson Amphitheatre is definitely one of the best amphitheatres I've been to, and I know many people would agree. If you are on the lawn, you get a beautiful view of the Toronto skyline to your right, and a beautiful view of the Canadian National Exhibition to your left (the Ex, as we call it, is a sort of carnival that has been an annual thing for a really long time), that's if you're not looking at the band on stage. Also, great sound. It's clean, and security isn't too bad either.

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 18:14:56 ET
Posted by: Peg, 'zine right here beside me

The June issue of Downbeat has Walter and Donald on the cover. Inside the story is pretty darn good. It contains the usual introductory info so that the unfamiliar can learn about the Dan. It has only one major factual error (that I can tell, anyway) in that it says that "Two years ago, they broke off the retirement they announced after 1979's "Gaucho" with "Two Against Nature..." As we all know, 2VN came out 3 years ago, in early 2000, not 2 years ago. Aside from that, they got some pretty good info in there...I was intrigued by the part where they explained how Christ Potter's sax solo in West of HOllywood came about. They liken Pixeleen's "infectious three-syllable hook" to that in standards like "Tangerine" and Cole Porter's "I Love You."
Bottom line? Go buy that mag, kiddies. On newsstands now!
In a more personal note, Ouch, I gotta gig on my birthday, so no NYC trip. So, hey, Hoopsie, Chicago is looking much more likely. I am dutifully signing up for the Webring soon...
MY fave five that I HAVE to hear LIVE:
Caves of Altimira
Doctor Wu
Green Earrings
Kid Charlemagne
Almost Gothic
"Peace is patriotic...so is fighting for what you believe in."
Peace,
~Peg

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 12:53:38 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Starts wit an "S" and ends with "weden"

* Great to hear those 30 second clips! Pop music! Sounds like a Steely Dan summer coming up...

* Question to people in Toronto/elsewhere:
How's The Molson Ampitheatre in Toronto as a concert venue? Great ... average ... terrible?

If I manage to get a good ticket Monday I'll be there shouting for "Sweet Home Alabama" August 14!

* ... eh ... forgot what I was going to write. "I'll be back"

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 10:57:53 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Things I Don't Understand The Most

Has the 2nd Steely Dan show at the Universal Amphitheatre been dropped? It's no longer listed on the ODP tour schedule. The October 1 show is still on but the October 2 show is gone.

I cannot believe it would have anything to do with ticket sales. How can the Eagles play 3 nights at Boston's FleetCenter at $175 a pop???


Mark in Boston

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 09:19:47 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home ?????

See you at the NY fair:
http://www.wroctv.com/news/story.asp?id=10214&r=l

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny-brf--statefair-con0523may23,0,2073175.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire


Brittany is auctioning off some of her outfits - that will bring some weirdos out of the closet:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18110

Top 10 Music pics from Oregoian - another great newspaper name:
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/exclude/1053691563124560.xml

Well the weather has changed all of our plans this holiday weekend. We did get our little League game in last night in a drizzle, but our double point BMX race was rained out today, single point race tomorrow, LL game Monday. Maybe SD had the right idea to schedule all of these indoor venues this year - it sure takes the guess work out of what to wear, whether to bring raincoats, etc.

Date: Sat, May 24, 2003, 04:26:56 ET
Posted by: Jim Cargill, Scotland

Hi Earl,

Wasn't sure what you meant re rubbing salt into the new album. I wouldn't do that. I'm just a fan too and I obviously think it's a great album, perhaps one of their best.

Just stumbled across an advance promo and wanted to share the news.....

CYA

Jim Cargill

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 21:39:30 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, any major dude with half a heart

hey Bob-O let me pour some of that on my pancakes!

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 19:37:18 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, The Dan and HBO

I was watching Season 4 of Sex and The City, just out on DVD, and Samantha is posing for nude photos. The photographer offers to put on some Steely Dan music to help her relax. Last month Six Feet Under had an episode where "Peg" was playing at a party and last year "Hey 19" was playing on one of the episodes. The 3rd season-opener for The Sopranos had Tony singing along with "Dirty Work".
Now another HBO show, Taxi Cab Confessions is playing a major part in the promotion of EMG. I think somebody at the highest postion of power at HBO is a major Dan fan!!

Here's a prediction, and you heard it here first: The September 27, Mandalay Bay show from Las Vegas will be broadcast LIVE on HBO. Donald and Walter will be driven to the gig by Rita! September 27 is a Saturday night, when HBO usually does live concerts or events. It makes sense! It would be mad! It would be wiggy!


Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 19:12:07 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Soundclips

m.e. 0 Thanks for the heads up! Wow! Hearing the clips after hearing the crappy stream earlier this week is like lifting your head from underwater! The soundclips are so crisp anf bright! The DVD-A is going to be a jaw-dropper!!! T-minus 18 days and counting!


Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 18:28:58 ET
Posted by: Bob-o, Tucson

Friend, "Lee", my sincere obligations! - and to "DanFiend" who so graciously welcomed me to this DANFAN site, blessings to you both - please side-step me at the bar and continue with the Becker-Fagen games on this website...no doubt your greatest dreams will be realized. In your debt,
Adieu, mon ami...

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 18:18:01 ET
Posted by: moray eel, m.e.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the 30 second soundclips are up:

http://store.repriserec.com/store/product.asp?upc=093624843528

m.e.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 17:45:45 ET
Posted by: Lee,

Bob-o, go to

http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm

You will find plenty.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 17:43:12 ET
Posted by: Bob-o, Tucson

"Danfiend"...

Many thanks to you for the reply to this DANFAN neophyte...and, yes, I'm asking for some interpretations here. I've been hard-copying (tedious and tree-hugging, I know) the lyrics on this particular production in a puerile and infantile effort to glean ("grok" with you all) some meaning to these lyrics. As I posted earlier, I have some 'interpretations' on their lyrices of my own and would like some 'counterpoint' input from those of you who, obviously, "ken" the words to said "songs". If you've the sense of a venue appropriate to this discussion on the I-Net, outside this website, where the philosophy of the writers, harmony of the background singers, rhythms, social context, jazz-interpretations and technical expertise of the musicians is discussed, I'd greatly appreciate a reference (I don't want to absorb the M-bytes on this website for technical discussions of Mssrs. Fagen and Becker's compositions). All of you seem to have much fun on this site and I don't want, nor need, to interfere with that - a simple point of reference will do (url?). Again, many thanks.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 17:11:04 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Back from Miami Beach

I'm bummed that I missed out on the EMG preview. If the songs accidentally ended up in my "Inbox" that would be wicked pissah!

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 17:00:51 ET
Posted by: DF,

Bob-O

Welcome to the Bleu, and more importantly to the world of the Greater Dan Fandom. I'm Danfiend.

What is it that you're asking? To decipher the lyrics of Gaucho?
Are you saying that you don't understand what they are or what they mean?

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 16:52:20 ET
Posted by: Bob-o, Tucson

...and my deep apologies to you long-time contributors who sparsely recognize neophytes to this website...some of us are actually NEW fans (02/2002...get out of this town!) and really base...

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 16:41:10 ET
Posted by: Bob-o, Tucson

S.D. "GAUCHO" fans:
Have you ever had the feeling you've been willingly seduced into a dark, pleasurable music cavern, WITH FRIENDS ANON, to decipher the scripture on the walls with a cigarette lighter...then quietly asked to leave after the 'first session' by the Bouncer at the entrance to find your own way out ...and deeply examine your feelings about the adventure in the parking lot? I have a few answers in mind but would like a group - even solitary - reply: BABYLON SISTERS? HEY NINETEEN? GLAMOUR PROFESSION? GAUCHO? TIME OUT OF MIND? MY RIVAL? ... and particularly, THIRD WORLD MAN (...I'm hopeless on the lyrics, here). Takers...? ~bshank@flash.net

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 16:34:29 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

JET FuMA: "Just Enjoy The Fucking Music Asshole"........
Indeed, we will......
love it.......


ygk

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 16:28:06 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Hmm...Jim Cargill. At least he's not rubbing salt into the new album.

So what? 2 1/2 weeks until the new one is official. Too bad we will have to wait to hear the songs.

Earl

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 15:25:04 ET
Posted by: lifted from usenet,

Steely Dan 'Everything Must Go'
By Jim Cargill

A new Steely Dan album and only a couple of years since the last one! This is one of those 'riches beyond the wildest dreams' scenarios. But how does it stack up? The last one, Two Against Nature, scooped four Grammy Awards in 2001, and Steely Dan were inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

Kicking off with 'The Last Mall' the guys are quickly off and running with a cool and confident opener. Production to these ears is just awesome, something that permeates the whole album. Is this something to do with the analogue recording and live tracking in the studio? Whatever, let's have more of it.

I should mention at this stage that the album comes in a number of formats and I can't wait to hear the DVD-Audio version which, if my plain old CD is anything to go by, must be an experience worth queuing up for.

'Things I Miss The Most' continues in a sad vein as Donald Fagen tells how he misses a whole host of things now that the love affair is over, but can't seem to bring himself to admit that he misses her most. Well that's my take on it anyway. I hope that Gary Clark (formerly of Danny Wilson fame) is listening, as this is the kind of song he should be surfacing with when he eventually decides to come out of his own self-imposed retirement.

Previous albums have had their lighter moments ('Cousin Dupree' as an
example) and 'Blues Beach' fits that genre to perfection. Top down, cruising by the beach.bliss!

Throughout the album I keep hearing little links to the past and 'Godwhacker' takes me back to the 'Gaucho' era or perhaps Fagen's first solo album, 'The Nightfly'. Interesting instrumental break - reminiscent of Toots Thielman?

Next up is 'Slang Of Ages ' which is something that fans of Walter Becker's '11 Tracks of Whack' CD will welcome. Walter sings! Well, kind of. This slow, bluesy track is pretty much spoken rather than sung.

'Green Book' takes us into jazzier territory and again harks back to 'Nightfly' in feel. Great vocal and instruments - I'm really looking forward to hearing this one on DVD-Audio.

The more uptempo 'Pixeleen' takes us back to earlier, familiar Dan and that is no bad thing at all! The song displays a wonderfully evocative, classic mix of classic Dan backing vocals and keyboards.

Funky hardly describes 'Lunch With Gina' and when the instrumental break arrives, the listener is transported all the way back to earlier albums like 'Can't Buy A Thrill'. Steely Dan is cooking with gas.

But the piece de resistance is the closer 'Everything Must Go'. A jazzy intro that pauses before we are into a tale of a sad closure - in this case a failed company.

Lots of space, some stretching out and cool vocals make this a standout performance of a great song.

So there we have it. Cool, confident and, dare I say it, a classic. Steely Dan has topped Two Against Nature. The million dollar question is, 'When's the next album due?'

Jim Cargill

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 15:01:11 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chi

i know: i keep wondering why godwhacker wasn't released as the first single although slang has unexpectedly has lodged itself in my brain!!!

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 14:52:28 ET
Posted by: new2bluebook, Motown

Also, I believe Metallica comes out that day as well.

It will be interesting to see if the Dan bust through the Top 10.

Why was Blues Beach chosen as the single? It seems as though their are other more radio friendly singles on the forthcoming album. Just my two cents.


P.S. DF my other post was in jest. I was just F*****g around.

Peace,

D.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 14:30:16 ET
Posted by: Michelle, San Francisco

Hey tohnz - I worked at the Record Factory in San Jose on Blossom Hill and in on 41st Street in Capitola, years '83-87. Inventory, ugh.

I agree 100%, the Neil Diamond fans were the WORST. I got in a fight with one because I opened the door a minute late the morning tix went on sale!

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 14:24:22 ET
Posted by: Chris, Connecticut

Just checked out Amazon.com. EMG is ranked #47 in sales today behind 4 other artists with CD's coming out on June 10th also. Luther Vandross, Raidiohead,Annie Lennox, and Justin Guarini. Might make it tough for EMG to enter Billboard in the top 10.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 12:01:57 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Joey and others:
Yeah the United Center is designed as a sports palace not concert venue. Given how this is to be the one show to serve more than a few major cities in a several-hundred mile radius, they had to go with a big venue. At least this beats All-State for the reasons Joey points out, plus it's not Clear Channel. I hope this make Joey more happy. "

Hoopsie .................You make Joey giddy !

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JOEY !

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 11:52:02 ET
Posted by: Confused,

Now I'm confused. Hey Mike says tickets go on sale 5/31 but Steely Dan.com says they go on sale 5/21. I couldn't find anything at TicketMaster. Is this a typo or date change at sd.com? Any word on presale date?

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 11:24:26 ET
Posted by: heymike, no static at all!

United Center (Chicago)ticket sales just announced, Saturday 5-31 at 10:00 central time.
Just bought a Dan concert poster from 1973 in Hawaii on E-Bay!! The only actual concert poster I've seen for sale. Hoops tell me how to paste it on here if possible.

get out the hats and hooters....

HeyMike

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 11:14:31 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Clas

www.ebay.com


Ebay is an online auction where you can bid for things. It's absolutely huge and extensive, and you can pick up great bargains on anything from Steely Dan t-shirts to Car parts to boats.


I hope that was a serious question........irony is so hard to convey over the net....





Kind regards



Jaco

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 10:01:04 ET
Posted by: C,

Thank you so much Jaco.

I had two questions, you responded to both, and that gave birth to a new question:

What is Ebay? A Persian Market?

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 09:48:57 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Raining - bummer, bummer, bummer

It is amazing to me the number of newspapers that cover SD concerts:

Molson Amp.:
http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2003/05/2202.cfm

Bighamton NY
http://www.pressconnects.com/entertainment/stories/052203s70730.shtml

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 06:10:32 ET
Posted by: Jaco, CLAS

Yes it is, but those are not official prices, they are being touted on Ebay, so they are greatly elevated.


Sorry to double post


Regards



Jaco

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 06:09:18 ET
Posted by: Jaco,

Me!



Regards




Jaco

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 05:45:00 ET
Posted by: C & W,

What is an Average Reader?

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 03:29:21 ET
Posted by: DF,

Thanks for your help Hoops, but I got this one.

Some people need to have things spelled out for them. D, the fact that I actually used the swear words in my post would tell the average reader that I'm no Bible beater. But you're not the average reader, are you?

Sorry dude, things just cannot be slowed down for you around here. Your first post was advice for me, so let me return the favor. Do a little research before you post. Take that class "Online Etiquette 090." (It's remedial but you may still do ok.)

Could you tell I could barely keep a straight face while saying that?
If you can't, here's a scetch. ;-)

Welcome to the Bleu, D. Next time, a formal introduction would be nice. I'm looking forward to it.

G'night

DF

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 02:51:13 ET
Posted by: tohnz,

Hey Michelle - what Record Factory did you work at? I used to work a San Rafael until the Whe(o)rehouse bought them out. Maybe we even suffered through one of those endless inventories together...

Yes, I remember complaining about $15 dollar tickets andd $1.50 service charges... and having to take crap from customers when people at Bass scooped all the prime seats before they went onsale. Customers use to think *we* were doing it at the store. And it got worse: years later when the Dan first resumed touring I was first in line that morning and only got lawn!

Btw, out of all the different fans we sold tickets to, Neil Diamond fans were by far the worse... rude, cutting in line, fighting with each other... pretty funny...

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 02:30:13 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Nice work South.

If I had my way, the boys would be doing 5 or 6 sets, minimum. 30 years of genius demmands more than 2 sets. Greed aside, I'm almost hysterical that I'm actually coming over to see the greatest musical talents the world has seen, LIVE.

And what about the way they have orchestrated the release of this album almost entirely via the internet. Another first in my book. TLM appears, then BB streams, then you can buy the digital single (but only if your in the USA). Then artwork, the interviews, Rolfe, the taxi cab confessions, THE ENTIRE ALBUM - but just for a short time, more streams to come, more confessions to come.

What other suprises will we get before the ultimate "Christmas Day" of June 10th ?

This has been a great week.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 02:03:21 ET
Posted by: Clas, http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops

Jaco - so it's about 500 bucks per ticket? If it's that expensive in USA, I guess there will be no European tour.

I followed that radio-listing link, damn, our boys are catching up on Jackson Browne. I wouldn't be surprised if they got as big as him one day.

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 01:16:19 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, More Dan in the movies

SOH - Damn! I wanted to hear Barrytown Razor Boy!

Was watching "The Kid Stays In The Picture" on HBO tonight. It's the documentary on producer Robert Evans (Godfather, Chinatown). The background music on the soundtrack included "Dirty Work" and "Do It Again". Sheesh, I just can't get away from this band!!


Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 00:41:51 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

Here it is again, and might I add I'd love to hear ALL of EMG performed live but...

Set 1
King Of The World
Things I Miss The Most
What A Shame About Me
Only A Fool Would Say That
Barrytown
Rose Darling Your Gold Teeth
Slang Of Ages
Cringemaker
Here At The Western World
Everthing You Did

Set 2
The Nightfly
Springtime
Green Book
Almost Gothic
Razor Boy
Godwhacker
Haitian Divorce
My Rival
Everything Must Go

Encores
Dr. Wu
Caves Of Altimira
Time Out Of Mind

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 00:20:17 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

I KNEW those columns wouldn't format the way I typed them!...SORRY!

Date: Fri, May 23, 2003, 00:18:34 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, A crazy little place I know called "Be There Now"

With some hope that "those in the know" peruse the Blue, I'd like to offer my ultimate concert set list:
Set 1 Set 2
King Of The World The Nightfly
Things I Miss The Most Springtime
What A Shame About Me Green Book
Only A Fool Would Say That Almost Gothic
Barrytown Razor Boy
Rose Darling Your Gold Teeth
Slang Of Ages Godwhacker
Cringemaker Haitian Divorce
Here At The Western World My Rival
Everthing You Did EMG

Encores
Dr. Wu
Caves Of Altimira
Time Out Of Mind

Feel free to critique and slam as you please...I've never heard the boys do 3 encore songs so this is a stretch and I know this is not paced well musically, but with these tunes live in the right sequence, I could die a happy Dan man...SOH

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 22:57:55 ET
Posted by: father william,

jesse - life must be dull in Toronto. Are you with me?

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 21:56:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hey "New2Blue"/D:

Pretty obvious Danfiend's/DF's joking about counting the sex and swear words. (See last two sentences of her post and a few of her previous posts and it becomes even more obvious.) Maybe you are joking in your post too with the best of intentions but I think you're not quite successful at it. Lie low a bit...DF and I knows you are joking in your post but some casual posters who are also new to the blue are liable to get turned off.

Joey and others:
Yeah the United Center is designed as a sports palace not concert venue. Given how this is to be the one show to serve more than a few major cities in a several-hundred mile radius, they had to go with a big venue. At least this beats All-State for the reasons Joey points out, plus it's not Clear Channel. I hope this make Joey more happy.

Bootlegger:
I emailed you this but for the benefit of others, this is the second time in a couple of months I've asked you not to pimp boots on the Blue. I have no idea about D + W but I do know Warner's scans this place and other places for who's dealing boots, no matter the quality. And they aren't as forgiving as me. Just protecting me AND YOU.

jim

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 21:55:34 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Disappointed

Several comments.


I was disappointed, and not a bit disgusted to see the prices people on Ebay are setting for their Steely Dan tickets. I HATE bastard touts like these. They stop genuine fans like you and I from purchasing them at - granted, expensive, but generally - fair prices. I mean, look! $999 for TWO TICKETS.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=steely+dan&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&ht=1&from=R10&currdisp=2&itemtimedisp=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaHighestPriceSort&SortOrder=d&BasicSearch=


Boy.

If you copy that, or search Ebay.com for Steely Dan you'll see.



Point 2:

Keep with the negatives here. Very, very disappointed that The Dan decided not to come to Europe. I had just assumed they would, after the 2nV tour. One of my best memories, if not THE best, is seeing Don and Walt glide onto the stage during the Boston Rag on 9th June 2000. So, to hear they werent coming is a genuine, and saddening shock.

Point 3:


On a more positive note, I have been delighted to see such positive reviews of EMG, and cannot wait for it to be released. I will have my preorder ready - it's gonna be a blast, as you Americans say! ;)



Ok

Keep spinnin' the Dan, and peace out to everyone.



Kind regards



Jaco

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 21:45:25 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Interesting about how tea has all sorts of health benefits, but also, there's a very small Dan reference. Let's see how can find it.

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/65/72589.htm

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 21:32:16 ET
Posted by: new2bluebook, Motown

Regarding DF's concern about language.

Please keep the religious and bible beating to a minimum. The fact that you are actually counting the profanity in an album is laughable. Just enjoy the FUCKING music You ASSHOLE.

Regards,

D.

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 20:15:24 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Not where I wish I was.

So I guess Harvey's tix went on sale this morning. SD are coming back to the Bay Area in Concord the day before my birthday (yay!) and I already have tix for Konocti. I can't afford all three, but it looked to me that as of a few minutes ago they still had good seats! $80 for the best they have left with a highway-robbery "service charge" of $8.50 a ticket. Does anyone remember BASS tickets in Northern Cal? I used to work with them at Record Factory (another blast from the past) and the charges were $1.50!

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 18:05:16 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" If God's omniscient, won't he see them coming? "

I don't know ...............Marlon Brando saw Martin Sheen coming for him in Apocalypse Now and just sat on his A## and did absolutely nothing .

Developing .....................


Joey !

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 17:43:13 ET
Posted by: db,

green book is giving me nightmares !!!!

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 17:33:20 ET
Posted by: DF, Profanity Police

I was just sitting here thinking about our beloved EMG and I realized a few things.

"Things I Miss the Most" has the first usage of the word SEX in any Steely Dan song. I find that truly ironic, as it is quite a ubiquitous theme of theirs. The fact that they've avoid using it in 30 years is a feat truly worthy of recognition.

Although I love "Godwhacker," it makes me nervous due to my strict religious upbringing. It is perhaps the most risque in their entire discography. It makes "Cousin Dupree" seem like childs play. However, I am intrigued to see how they'll get him. If God's omniscient, won't he see them coming?

Speaking of Godwhacker, I've always admired Steely Dan for their sparse usage of profanity. There hasn't been that many:
The 'fuck' in "Showbiz Kids," the 'bastard(s)' in "Everything You Did," and "Two Against Nature," the 'hell' in "Hey 19," the damn in "Two Against Nature" and whatever escapes me now.

EMG breaks records, however. There's the "Damn, she skipped dimensions/was it something that I said," In "Slang of Ages;" The "gettin' pretty damn close" in "Things I Miss the Most;" and my personal favorite, "We tracked your almighty ass to seven heaven worlds" in "Godwhacker." And that's what I can discern so far without a lyric sheet.

Shit! Why the fuck are they cursing so much now, dammit?!

Wow, that's infectious. I'd better go grab my Bible.

Begging repentance
DF/EMGF

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 16:43:03 ET
Posted by: Joey,

About the Chicago ( United Center Venue ) situation ..................


The only plus for this one is that it is close to the Chicago Downtown Hotels and Pubs for the pre show / post show " Dan Fests " ............. and that is it --- Period !

The United Center is notorious for it's turgid sound at the mid levels and turbid sonic batterings at the high end . Why should you care ????? Oh , I don't know .............say , perhaps , one hundred and fifty bucks a ticket for the Premium seats . Remember this if some nine year old kid comes up to you while you are standing in the ticket line and starts " shivering " .

Developing .............................

Shivering .................................

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJOEY !

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 15:53:56 ET
Posted by: h,

Nigel, where have you been? Leg II was announced a week ago. They're not coming to the UK because of you (and your naughty posts). BTW: I bet Warners UK has Scotland Yard is on the way to your house. You were warned before, weren't you? I don't like to remind you in the blue but your Email is broke. Email me to discuss further.

Lady B. Enjoy the rest. Looking forward to JB. It'll be a doozy.

No. United Center is it. Will write more laters.

jim

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 15:44:38 ET
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NY

I just wanted to give the NY area folks a heads up that the YELLOWJACKETS (Dan connection= Ricky Lawson, not to presume you wouldn't know) are playing a concert at the Planting Field Arboretum in Oyster Bay, LI. July or August...Tickets will be available on Ticketmaster, but are fairly reasonable (something like 45/35/20).

BTW, details on the Jones Beach Danfest on August 22 will be coming soon. As soon as I get back from my nervous breakdown/vacation/recuperation period. Scheduled to be in Florida all of next week.

Lady B

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 15:28:29 ET
Posted by: Attention All Spammers, cram this

I already bought EMG.
But I promise I will buy it again.

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 14:11:31 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

With Leg 2 of the tour announced today, REALLY disappointed that no Europe dates are mentioned.

Is there a chance of Leg 3 ?

I hope so

Anyone close to D or W any news, or is this it? ie no dates outside US or Canada

thanks in advance

N

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 13:56:21 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

i was thinking the same thing about a chicago venue change: you'd think the tix would be on sale by now. it would be a god-send for the show to be at alpine or tinley park but i'd rather have it be at united center than the horizon like last time: SLIGHTLY better sound and near by house.

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 13:16:24 ET
Posted by: Johnny , The big casino on the beach

hoops/chicago folk:

given the lack of information on united center ticketing (especially in light of other later shows already on sale), do you think a venue shift might be in order? i have my fingers crossed for one - i'd see SD anywhere, but i really dislike the united center. any outdoor situation would be a vast improvement. heard anything?

thanks-
JA

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 12:43:36 ET
Posted by: growing old,

#19 with BB in AAA

follow TLM in SJ charts:

http://www.radioandrecords.com/Charts/sj_Home.htm

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 09:50:02 ET
Posted by: New2bluebook, Motown

http://www.radioandrecords.com/Charts/trpa_Home.htm


Interesting site that I thought all of you might enjoy while tracking the Dan and their quest to own the airwaves...or something like that.


Enjoy!

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 08:59:04 ET
Posted by: father gerald, confessional

The confessions player now streams Blues Beach and Last Mall on demand, and says more songs are coming later. My guess is is within a week or so the whole album will be streaming here, MSN, maybe amazon and so on. thank you god, your humble servant father ger

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 08:25:39 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Good Morning

Only the Daily News can make everything sound trashy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/85705p-78242c.html

"Midsummer," about a band of randy friends renting a mansion up the Hudson, delivers a romp a clef from Marcelle Clements, former live-in companion to Steely Dan's Donald Fagan and a lady with a lot of famous New York pals.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030521-070024-9588r
This day in music history:
In 2000, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, a.k.a. Steely Dan, were presented with the ASCAP Founders Award at the annual ASCAP Pop Awards Dinner in Los Angeles. The award is ASCAP's top honor for lifetime achievement in songwriting.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030521-070024-9588r

http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2003/20030522_steelydan.html


Another brief mention in Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18098

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 04:01:18 ET
Posted by: Denton, The Andrea Doria

Erik #2, please don't "go off" on me for thanking Mark in Boston...I
may have more questions later,

Denton

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 03:52:19 ET
Posted by: Denton, iowa

Thanks Mark for picking that up, I am the worst at deciphering
lyrics (balsa wood/balls of wood?!)
Actually, I think I remember seeing an old Twilight Zone or something
where they mention the Andrea Doria...

It's funny how Godwhacker and Slang of Ages seemed sort of nondescript
to me on first listen but now I have had them take turns being stuck
in my head all day! Especially where SOA seems to dramatically change
into that "chorus".

Date: Thurs, May 22, 2003, 01:18:47 ET
Posted by: Mr. In The Know, here, there, and everywhere

Oddly enough, Dean Parks played the guitar on several of Johnny Rivers hits, such as Rockin' Pnumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu. Also, I've heard it told that it was Dean (who played banjo and guitar on the first session dates for Pretzel Logic) that introduced them to Larry Carlton when they needed guys later on.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 23:15:51 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC

Got to hear all 42 minutes of EMG on the fuzzy, muffled MSN site. Great tunes.

I could not help but wondering, however, with a world-class talent like Jon Herington in the studio, why on earth was he not unleashed even one single time?

Watch him live on the summer tour taking the lead on the 70's stuff. He'll blow your doors off.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 22:16:54 ET
Posted by: DACW,

It's fitting for American culture that Seinfeld turns out to be a fine pedagogical aid...lol

But I think the sinking was shorter than the American Karaoke episode tonight!!

...Ruben has a good recording voice - was it me or did Paul Anka outsing both Ruben and Clay last night...fortunately, did not see last year's finalists - but have unfortunately heard them both - dreadful...

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 22:04:04 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

DACW - The Andrea Doria sank off the coast of Massachusetts! It did take 11 hours to sink but about 50 people still died (out of 1700).

any major dude - The Midnight Special video I have is from 1973 with Host Johnny Rivers. Other guests besides Steely Dan were Paul Williams, a clip of 'Dueling Banjos' from Deliverance, The Spinners and The Ace Trucking Company. David Palmer did the vocals on "Do It Again" (with Donald doing a split screen harmony on the chorus). Skunk Baxter played the congas and they did the cool ending that's on the Record Plant boot. Fagen sang lead on Reelin'. It was live and not lip synched. A really interesting fact that nobody ever mentions (not even Brian Sweet in his book) is that Johnny Rivers' lead guitarist on his set for that show was a young Larry Carlton! I wonder if Don and Walt met Larry backstage for the first time?

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 21:43:20 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

There's an entire web site dedicated to the Andrea Doria.

You can find it here: www.andreadoria.org

Pix, Godwhacker, lunch with gina, ALL OF THEM are the coolest songs I have ever heard. How good is it going to be when we get the real deal hi-fi in a couple of weeks !!

Slang me baby !!!!!!!!

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 20:24:39 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

According to that Seinfeld episode, the Andria Doria took 10 hours to sink. It sank "like an old man easing into a hot bath".

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 18:55:40 ET
Posted by: DF,

In what other guestbook and chatroom can one find interesting facts, erudite individuals, and the best music known to mankind?

If there's another like it on the entire World Wide Web I haven't found it.

You've done a good thing, Hoops. You've done a damn good thing.

DF/EMGF

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 17:43:32 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Mark: It that what he's singing?...that's pretty damn funny. The Andrea Doria was an Italian luxury cruise ship that smashed into a Swedish tanker or something due to fog in the mid 50s. Sunk like a rock. First time a Swedish ship sunk anything since the Vikings, and of course that reminds me of the old joke:

Q: Why does the Italian Navy now have glass bottom boats?


A: So they can se the Old Italian Navy!


baddabingbaddaboom

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 15:48:05 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

midnight special: i'll have to watch it again when i get home because it's been a few years but i'm pretty sure they did reelin' and another tune. my impression is that they are actually playing live--billy and ray too. billy did a kick ass "circles" & the bill cosby / ray charles thing is killer.

i'd be happy to make some copies of it--just email me.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 15:27:12 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

Any news on advance sales for the alleged 10/2 show @ The Universal Amp?

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 15:15:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Denton - I believe Donald is singing "I'm building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood". A little ship building therapy goes a long way I guess.

Mark in Boston

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:58:27 ET
Posted by: DF,

Mr. Sam

Indeed I remember. Great to hear from you. I do have a copy of that American Bandstand appearance. It's yours if you want it. Will we see you in Chicago this summer? That would be wonderful if you come.

Put me down for wanting a copy of that Midnight Special show, too. Did they do Reelin' with Donald and Do it Again with Palmer. Was Donald wearing a brown shirt with a wierd pattern on it? If so then I've seen it at least. I'd be willing to trade.

DF

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:41:58 ET
Posted by: denton, iowa

anyone figure out what he's making out "balls of wood"? in
The Things I miss the Most?
just wondered...

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:38:29 ET
Posted by: Mr. Sam, at the TV Fun House

DF: Good to hear from you. (Don't know if you recall, but we met last Labor Day weekend at Gino's East and the Excalibur.) Yeah, I used to have a copy of that ABS appearance, too, but lost it several years ago. Tragically, I also lost my copy of the boys' first appearance on Letterman when a family member accidentally did a Second Arrangement on that same tape. So sad. Nowadays, I carefully label all my VHS memorobilia, and keep a watchful eye over it.

AMD: I know OF that appearance on the "Midnight Special", but have never actually seen it. Was it a real performance, or was that one also a photo shoot? If it's the real deal, I'd love to get my hands on a copy of it.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:32:54 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

A search for

Steely Dan album9

on winmx (http://www.winmx.com)may result in my very poor audio recording of yesturdays stream (for anyone who missed it)

I think its better than nothing, but please buy the album on the 9th/10th.

Does anyone know if the boys are coming to Europe?

I dont want to miss a US/Canada ticket if they are not, anyone know anything concrete?

Nigel

ps

i think the new album is fantastic

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:21:11 ET
Posted by: vast conspiracy,

AN SUSTEREN: All right. Jayne, gentlemen, thank you very much.
Before we go, many of you know my colleague, Tony Snow, from his program "FOX NEWS SUNDAY." But here's a side of him you have not seen before.
On Friday night, while we were all working, Tony was earning some extra cash with his band, Beats Working, and we all know Tony is one to draw headline guests. Guess who joined Tony's band Friday night? Jeff "Skunk" Baxter who has played with the Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan.
(VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you for being with us tonight.
Please send your comments. I want to know if you think Tony should keep his day job.
(LAUGHTER)

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 14:13:33 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Hi Any Major Dude. Long time no-see. Are you hosting another great Danfest at the Camden show this year? You are grill master extraordinaire!

Your comment about "PC" reminded me of a new term I recently heard, "Patriotic Correctness." Seems Steely Dan should write a song about that topic. Nawwww.....they already have written a few if you think about.

Dave

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 13:32:40 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

i have a bad copy of this early 70's show called "midnight special" that bill cosby hosted where the dan played a couple of tunes. i haven't watched it in awhile--d & w looked ridiculously uncomfortable--and billy preston does a tune as well as ray charles. i think the bothers johnson were the house band for billy + ray.

anyway the best part of the show is bill cosby sparring with ray charles over who can better appreciate the ladies in the crowd: bill with his eyes or ray with his nose!! obviously pre-PC. i'll have to dig that tape up again.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 13:29:28 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

DF: duly noted. My logical systems went into overdrive upon your original post.......

BTW - faves: Godwhackher, Pixelene.....

cheers

ygk

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 13:12:29 ET
Posted by: DACW,

DF: Yes, returning to homeostasis...well put - I'm trying, but stil Jonesin' for Pixelene and GreenBook especially...can I hold out for just 20 more dayz????

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 13:10:09 ET
Posted by: DF,

YGK

All I said to you was check it and report back. All that other stuff was editorializing. I can admit when I'm wrong, and I did.

Mr. Sam
I actually have a copy of that appearance. I think many of us do. It's very awkward to watch. Steely Dan didn't belong there. It's always very interesting to hear the horn section and there's no one with a horn onstage. Donald plays through by bobbing his head. Close enough, I guess.

EMGFiend

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 13:08:15 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Well, what a treat yesterday. I listened to the album about 5 times in a row. I kept trying to imagine the layers of sounds I wasn't hearing. Then they release another Taxi Cab in the same day, it was an online fix for sure.

That horn work up before Everything Must Go is killer. Someone mentioned Mingus. I agree it somehow envoked "Haitian Fight Song" for me when the horns kick in. Who knows? Need more listens that's for sure. "Godwacker" made me want to find a Saturday Night Fever suit and do a little boogie dance.

glory day

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 12:45:21 ET
Posted by: Mr. Sam, American Karaoke on the Bandstand

A few weeks back, someone posted a link to an article by Stephen Cole at globeandmail.com. In his article, Mr. Cole made reference to a mid-1970s appearance by SD on a "syndicated New York music show." While I must profess ignorance about the show to which he was referring, it did harken me back to an appearance of the Dan on ABC’s American Bandstand circa 1974 or so.

In this era of FOX's American Idol (or “American Karaoke” as I like to call it), audiences tacitly accept the notion of a singer performing on an empty stage over a pre-recorded backing track. Hell, karaoke's been around for at least 15 years now. Right? Back in the 1970s, though, many a TV show took this awful practice one step further, and shamefully asked guest bands to brazenly lip synch/air guitar entire performances.

In its day, the appeal of a show like American Bandstand was that it gave pre-MTV era music fans a rare opportunity to see their favorite artists in action. For bands and record companies alike, these gigs provided great marketing opportunities to support the current album or “45” release. Unfortunately, though, neither the TV producers nor record company execs felt comfortable risking a subpar "live" performance. That could be bad for business, and as any major dude will tell you, the first word in the music business is "business".

Whenever solo artists appeared alone on-stage, viewers were left to wonder whether a real band was performing out of sight of the cameras. When a band took the stage, however, it was often harder to mask the truth: namely, that the whole performance was a sham.

To many a casual listener, this practice of aping performances over top of a studio recording may have gone unnoticed. To anyone who actually bothered listening to the layering and arrangement of voices and instruments, though, it was painfully obvious whenever a "phantom instrument" popped up in the mix of what was supposed to be a live performance.

Given D+W's love of jazz (wherein live performance is paramount), their attention to fine detail, their disdain for the business side of things, and their desire to be seen as serious artists, one can only wonder how cheesy and humiliating it must have felt to participate in such a Monkees-like deception on the viewing public.

In any event, on this particular episode of American Bandstand, the original 5-piece SD lineup appeared with their instruments in hand. In line with the established practice of the day, though, they then proceded to lip synch along to a poorly edited version of "My Old School." The edit contained a noticeably clumsy jump cut over the horn dominated portion of the instrumental break (ie, that begins at the 3:00 mark.) The edit was no doubt justified on the grounds that way too many viewers would finally notice the phantom horn section that had been surfacing sporadically throughout the tune. (In the other spots, the presence of horns was still kind of obvious, mind you, but at least they were a bit deeper in the mix.)

Needless to say, D+W looked less than thrilled by the whole little affair. Walter and Denny both stood expressionless like a statues. Skunk apparently had no ethical qualms about what he was being asked to do, though, and gave an inspired air guitar performance.

Given W+D's legendary ability to discern rhythmic displacements of a few milliseconds, I can only imagine the cringemaker-like quality that each horn fill evinced in our dynamic duo. Upon leaving the stage, D+W may well have wished they'd reworked the final chorus as follows:

I said whoa Bro!
Leavin' the studio ain't shrewd.
Yeah, we did not think those
Dicks would be so cruel
Now we're never going back
To lip sych shooo-oo-ool!

PS - Perhaps they should of asked Jerome Aniton and a friend or two to play air horn with them on that gig. ;-)

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 12:13:44 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

DF: so I'm not out of my mind, now, eh? Don't know about any male that can actually hit comfortably in the 6 register other than a well trained opera tenor, or a very young European boy.......

ygk

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 12:08:20 ET
Posted by: DF, Finally calming down now

You're very right Howard

I was in a stupor the entire day yesterday. I was. What the hell was I talking about, Donald singing two octaves above Middle C?! That was a female! The highest note that he sings is in fact as you've stated, the D#/Eb ONE octave above middle C, and is thus his highest note to date.

Damn, I was beside myself yesterday. My entire being is finally returning to homeostasis. I can't fathom another artist even coming close to creating as much excitement as D&W. (especially for me) It is truly a testiment to just how special they really are.

What is the probability of another EMG stream being set up? Slim to none? Yeah, but I hope not. But hell, 20 days left, right?

danfiend--make that everythingmustgofiend

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 11:50:01 ET
Posted by: s, s

Anyone in the works know if SD are planning to hit Europe this hear, specifically London?

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 10:31:50 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

I instantly loved "Things I miss the Most" as some others have stated...
Pixeleen and EMG also stood out on 1st listen. I taped the broadcast,
but it is the of the lowest quality imaginable. Sounds like someone is
playing it to me over the telephone off a $4.99 walkman. I love it
anyway!

I think someone was asking for Taxi 3 link...

http://www.repriserecords.com/steelydan/player/

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 09:27:40 ET
Posted by: Joe Murtha,

Sorry Hoops et al for the shameless self promotion to follow... I hope this is OK...

Fellow Dan fans,

New from the dandom software developers catalog.

1. Attention all shoppers! Available now from StAl's Banyan Trees software site, it's the all new Steely Dan - Everything Must Go screensaver - for Windows 95, 98, ME and XP. Download it now, it's FREE! It's another sweetheart sunset special - and it features all of the standard stuff...

2. For those of you who have upgraded to a faster PC and/or WindowsXP over the last several years, there is also a new and improved 2VN screensaver available for download at that same site.

3. Coming soon – Rev. 3.00 of the CDSD featuring more sidemen bio’s, articles, sound files, photo’s and tons of stuff from Everything Must Go.

Joe Murtha

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 08:40:50 ET
Posted by: JV, St. Paul

The documentary "Comedian" starring Jerry Seinfeld features two of SD's tunes. "Jack of Speed" and "Deacon Blues." The latter plays for some time towards the end of the film and it almost seems as if Seinfeld plays off the tune with his comments. I thought it was a great musical choice for the film at that moment. You'll have to watch it to understand why. I think Jerry must be a big Steely fan too.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 08:40:43 ET
Posted by: JV, St. Paul

The documentary "Comedian" starring Jerry Seinfeld features two of SD's tunes. "Jack of Speed" and "Deacon Blues." The latter plays for some time towards the end of the film and it almost seems as if Seinfeld plays off the tune with his comments. I thought it was a great musical choice for the film at that moment. You'll have to watch it to understand why. I think Jerry must be a big Steely fan too.

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 08:31:41 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, ...

Summer albums:
http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=710&xlc=999349

Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18089

Nebraska?
http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/754/public/news458796.html

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 07:54:20 ET
Posted by: Matt B, London

Amazon.co.uk now finally taking pre-orders for EMG DVD-A and CD!
June 9 in UK

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000942R1/qid=1053517907/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_3_2/202-7033129-4415804

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 07:44:26 ET
Posted by: Matt B, London

Check out this link for a very interesting review of the EMG DVD-A, that also alludes to a revised Gaucho dvd mix.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=13143569

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 07:43:03 ET
Posted by: Howard,

DF - do you mean the part at around 3:00 in Pixeleen that goes high? The chorus and middle eight melodies have some high stuff, but it's a female singer doing those.

The bit at 3:00 is done by Donald, but it's in falsetto. Still pretty high for Donald (and might well be his highest yet) but it's falsetto, not his normal register. Also, I think the highest note is D# (just over an octave above middle C) not C#.

Nice Guy - you remixed your recordings of EMG? Surely reverb added to mediocre recordings will only make things sound worse?

Howard

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 06:55:33 ET
Posted by: db,

anybody got the actual address for Taxi III

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 01:00:43 ET
Posted by: suedave,

DACW and Hoops - you are so right about Walter kicking major ass!!!!!! Unfuckingbelieveable even at low-fi, imagine the hi-fi.

Another Erik - you crack me up. The Evil empire brought us the great stream in response to Apple launch I suppose? Ha! Ha ha! I think someone put it up to see what type of response it would get, and what better place to put it than here to.......share the love? Lots of interest, lots of crusty punks, lots of love. Love love love........xoxoxoxoxoxooooooooooo!!!

Ok, after 1 and 1/2 listens nearly a day ago and I'm still absolutely floored at how great EMG is. It has that familiar Steely Dan sound yet doesn't sound like any other SD record. It is fresh and familiar, light and complex, and ooh so much more. I hope it gets a lot of airplay so that lots of people can hear it.

Hey thanks for that suggestion, Suggestion. Keep the suggestions coming. Shall we have kamakazies while we listen the next time?

Share the love!

Date: Wed, May 21, 2003, 00:49:15 ET
Posted by: angel, Things I miss the Most

LP: Me too. "Things I Miss the Most" is running through my mind. The only thing that stuck with me. Ugh, I want the rest back!


I managed to find Downbeat Magazine tonight and the article is quite good. It reminds me a bit of the Rolling Stone one from 2000. A cool Becker/Fagen verbal trading 4's regarding EMG.
Quoted for your entertainment.

DB Magazine:
Talking to the pair, pals since the '60s, in the same room at the same time can be an entertaining and slippery process. They ricochet off each other's comments and, as has long been their wont, bask in the ironic. I suggest that their fiendishly clever blend of art and commerciality has enabled them to get away with murder.

Becker: Well, it all depends on what we get away with this next time. We're waiting to see.

Fagen: They judge you by your last murder around here.

Becker: That's right. We're more interested in the next killing, then the last one.

Fagen: We haven't experienced any real backlash yet for all this, so who knows? It could pop up at any time.

DB Magazine: I mention that their new album has effectively infected my mind.

Becker: That's a good sign. Not for you, but for us.

Fagen: We only have sympathy for you. We've already lived with it for a couple of years.

Becker: Yes, we've already succumbed to that horrible state, and as they say, misery loves agony, so welcome to the club.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 23:46:17 ET
Posted by: Luckless Pedestrian, @ pj's

hey in here

thanks to B - yes, the green room, the lyrics, that is...

the one tune that really stood out for me was "things i miss the most"

but overall, it's cool and smooth and i can't wait to get my copy!!!

anyone going to the syracuse show? massachusetts? new hamster, i mean hampshire?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 22:14:15 ET
Posted by: Bill Griffin, Massachusetts

be gentle

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 19:08:59 ET
Posted by: EMG Preview,

Microsoft and Reprise's EMG preview lasted something like 12 hours or maybe a little more, more or less. It's over. It was withdrawn without reason. No linky. Will it be back? Maybe later, maybe never.

Stop by Greenroom chat, click the link above, around 9 PM ET tonight. It'll be the night of the Living Dan Audio Crack Whores. we'll try to describe how it felt. Best we can do.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 18:53:18 ET
Posted by: Bob, USA

I need the site to listen to EMG

Is it still available?????????

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 18:20:14 ET
Posted by: yeh,

did anyone get emg on tape or something, maybe they could send a brother a copy, just tuned in right before it was taken off, incredible, just incredible

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 17:48:31 ET
Posted by: Chills down my spine, big grin on my face,

The title track. The opening....incredible. It's this fanfare jazz dissonance thing. It's over 6 minutes long. Wow!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 17:44:35 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Incredible - I agree...play ALL of EMG live - we've seen enough reunion stuff...

I would add rarities in addition to EMG - the Full Monty

Dr. Wu
Your Gold Teeth II
The Nightfly (title track)
Century's End


Wide World of Sports - oh yes, I have a feeling we'll be hearing snippets all over in the next 12 months...

Things I Miss the Most

then:
Godwhacker
Slang of Ages
GreenBook
Pixelene
Lunch wirth Gina

are all so fantastic - do different, yet so similar..almost like a 5 movment jazz/pop concerto...

and what an intro to Everything Must Go... Muscially, a very conceptualized album...listened to in sequence I'm ROFL when Blues Beach eminates from the speakers and then practically crying when Pixelene is done...

It's so difficult, especially at this point to measure them head to head with The Nightfly, Katy Lied, and Aja (which I think are their best)...but there's something about the whole package that just flows - a classic album without a doubt...



It IS retro-Fresh New New Fusion...they've re-engineered the apocalypse...

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 17:30:47 ET
Posted by: Suggestion #1,

You have until June 10 to fix your bass speakers. You will need you bass speakers. You have been warned.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 17:17:28 ET
Posted by: Amaezed!,

This could compete with Aja being the best. Last Mall and Blues Beach are great tunes but they are like the fine appetizer to an incredible main course. I can't wait to hear the DVD-A. They's hit a home run with the bases loaded. It IS mad It IS wiggy.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 17:13:31 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, The Last Stand

This really is a 9/11 post apocalypse concept CD. In an epic theme somewhat like Stephen King's The Stand. Come to think of it why are the SD promos coming from Las Vegas? Isn't that where the apocalyptic end takes place in The Stand? And Pixelene gets a call from Randall, her old boyfriend. Randall Flag, the ultimate Godwhacker??


Are you from the Netherlands? Or are you from the Netherworld??


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:56:23 ET
Posted by: Blown Away, Dumbfounded and Stunned

Unfuckingbelievable album. Definitely #2 behind Aja. These guys came up with the album in approximately a year??? Surely a sign of the apocalyse.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:52:10 ET
Posted by: me again,

DEFINITELY Donald squealing that one part on "Pixelene." All IMHO. Sounds like "Wetside Story." epecially in the beginning.

Better than any other Steely Dan album except perhaps "Aja."

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:46:41 ET
Posted by: DF,

YGK

Go check for yourself then report back.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:44:33 ET
Posted by: Incredible,

I don't think I'm the only one who is thinking that they should play this whole album in the show. I mean, I want to hear every track live. It's Steely Dan but it is so new and current sounding.

Greenbook is one fucking trip. Yow!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:36:26 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

DF: I seriously doubt that was Fagen in the soprano range. That's even high for a head voice.
Had to be one of the girls doubling......

ygk

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:35:35 ET
Posted by: Jim McKay, ABC's Wide World of Sports

Is it me or does the opening groove riff under "Godwhacker" have the instant stature of being the music they play during sports highlights and replays?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:26:53 ET
Posted by: D, Again

Did

"ROLL YER CAHT BACK UP DA AISLE"

get jettisoned by

"SLANG ME!?"

(I happen to like the latter more now too.)

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:23:04 ET
Posted by: W.Sharif, Chicago

Gosh! I missed out on this! I guess I'll have to wait until June 10th, but will somebody please tell me what was the longest song on the album?

W.S. in Chicago.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:18:52 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Eagles at Mohegan

Was checking out the Mohegan Sun web site, no word yet on Steely
Dan tickets.

However, the Eagles were listed with the following outrageous
ticket prices:

$251, $176, $126, and $76


No recession for Glen Frey or Don Henley! Sheeesh.


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 16:15:32 ET
Posted by: DF,

Although I cannot discern what Pixeleen's lyrics are, I am certain that it contains Donald's highest recorded pitches ever. The highest point is a C#/Db TWO OCTAVES above Middle C.

But EMG is unprecedented in many ways.

GODWHACKER is one of the best Dan tracks OF ALL TIME!

I'm delirious right now. It's okay that the link was taken down. I'll survive until 6/10--I think.

SLANG ME!

DF

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:52:33 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Toronto goes on sale this Monday at 10. Top ticket prices are $90. I'm going down to Sunrise records to buy my tickets right at 10, and hopefully get in the 100 level.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:43:47 ET
Posted by: b, godwhacker on the case

I know Godwhacker sounded damn great, eh? Just like that. It's a true standout track, in my opinion. The Harmonica, the Melodica and that guitar solo, yes, edgy, funked up thing all over. Vocal arrangements, very nice. Top notch, it was.
And I like quite few of them, after a few listens.
But it does look like they killed the stream now.
Well, back to that grim orange grind I go then. All the while, looking forward to the release with renewed enthusiasm, I must say.
I miss it already.
Can anyone still hear it?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:34:48 ET
Posted by: db,

(hold tight)
SCREAM IF YOU WANT TO GO FASTER !!!!!

whooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:29:18 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Taxi Cab Confessions

Episode 3 was just posted on the ODP.


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:26:50 ET
Posted by: db,

Lee
When I saw the link I wondered to myself if it could be recorded.
It can & I have not sure weather I’ll listen to it though.
I’ve a CD &DVD-A on order for the 9th.
As for the ‘’slime’’ insinuation…

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:23:46 ET
Posted by: Just Wondering,

Does this mean we'll now have to go to Andy's to hear the bad quality copy of EMG?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:12:47 ET
Posted by: Nice Guy, Montreal

Hi there,

I cheated. I patched the EMG webstream into Cubase and recorded it onto hard disk. Since then, I've listened to the album a number of times, and have remixed things here and there (reverb alone helps a great deal in bringing out some of the parts).

Actually, it was a fun project (especially as I'm only just learning to use all of this audio software--musician by hobby).

Anybody would be insane to stick to the webstream version! It's barely listenable. It is, however, a good sampling. Looking especially forward now to the DVD audio, as I can imagine how good it would sound.

On another note...As I imagine many people do, I sometimes download from Kazaa only in order to hear what an album sounds like before buying it (although here I'd have bought EMG regardless). I therefore don't understand why record companies do not stream all of their new titles. If they did, many of us wouldn't bother with P2P networks....

MTL

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 15:11:36 ET
Posted by: Jill St. John, Makemillions & Wife, WAIT! That's Susan St James!

I'm helping Donald with the lyrics on his new solo album.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 14:57:40 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Breaking: Yes...Or could be all the Dan chatter:

"Secretary Ridge, we've got coordinated cross-talk on a Godwhacker channel running from Houston to New york to Chicago to LA. I suggest we move fast1"

Ridge: "Is that codename DVD-A OR Cancel "24"?

"Sir, Skunk Baxter will lead you and the briefcase to a safe location...[static]...

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 14:56:44 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

DAMN!...The stream just ran dry!...The link has been shut down!...Right in the middle of Godwhacker, they whacked it on me!...HELP!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 14:43:40 ET
Posted by: jon,

First Tuesday Weld, now Jill St. John--God, I LOVE these guys!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 14:42:29 ET
Posted by: angel,

Just so they don't think we have forgotten. :-)
I did check for the latest video and it is not there yet....

Awesome album. Walter, Donald, GREAT STUFF! (not like I'm fawning or anything.)

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 14:25:06 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .

Current favorite lyric (from Pixelene)

"You whip a knife from the top of your go go boot
Just to flash a spectacular thigh"


This girl is badder than Josie!


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:33:12 ET
Posted by: Breaking News, CBS News.com

(CBS) U.S. officials say they have intelligence that the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia and Morocco were intended as diversions to focus American attention on threats abroad while al Qaeda lays plans for an attack inside the U.S.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports law enforcement sources confirm that within the past two months, two Arab men have been quietly arrested in the United States on suspicion they had been sent to scout out targets for al Qaeda. Roll your cart back up the aisle and kiss the checkout girls goodbye. It's last call
To do your shopping at the last mall.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:29:28 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Gee, I hope not - we were forced to use that due to defining different similarities. There's one out of Chi-town, another from someplace else.......we're still happy with Core, but need to define for legalities - our website helped do this.

Used to be people wondered what NYC was like, so music from there was yearned for, eh? That collection - tryin' to sort it all out - is direct from the streets........hope you can all dig it more someday - 2nd pressing forthcoming.........

ygk

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:23:55 ET
Posted by: oops,

11.21.63

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:23:30 ET
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS, CNN.com

CNN BREAKING NEWS Senior U.S. officials say intelligence "chatter" suggests terrorists may be planning a major attack inside the United States. It's your last call to do your shopping. At the Last Mall. Details to come.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:19:21 ET
Posted by: DACW, fuck Debussy - we got this

Pixelene: Musically, It's hip modern fresh as if nothing except funk and technology existed between 11/22/63 (day before Kennedy was shot) and today...

Juxtaposed against lyrics - where I agree

(1) Last Mall - last run before the Big One

(2) Things I Miss the Most - hiding out after the Nookyular Blast

(3) Blues Beach - hanging on the way from Medicine Park basking in the electromagnetic spectrum of Nookyular fallout and the sun's rays before Nookyular Winter...

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:18:00 ET
Posted by: Lee,

Agreed, Hoops. I might add that I would hate it if someone made any money off of this since it would be a ripoff of the buyer. However, anybody trying to buy this version on the cheap to avoid the cost of the original CD MAY, and I wrote MAY, deserve to be ripped off for employing means that would prevent the payment of royalties to DF and WB. Just do not assume, whomever you are, that anybody who wants to record it for TEMPORARY use is slime. Is db slime? Is Andy Metzger slime for noticing that it cannot be recorded (how would he know if he had not tried?)? Of course not!!
Lee, not slime, but a HUGE fan of Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:12:57 ET
Posted by: Yeah yeah Yeah EMG,

YGK, yeah yeah yeah, Mingus not so much Coltrane. I gotcha kinda now.

Love that CoRe Album. You think having NYC in it's title will limit it's airplay? Just wunnerin' alouder.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 13:07:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I'm sure I'm mis-reading this whole thread about people making money or selling copies of or being satisfied with the low quality glimpse of EMG. I can't imagine anybody listening to this and not wanting to buy at least 1 gross of EMG. End of debate—anything more is whacking off if you ask me.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:56:52 ET
Posted by: TITLE TRACK,

What an intro--Fall of 92 meets Coltrane

Awesome. Oh my Gawdddd....

Hey Blaise, you're right it's AM radio quality but that's how the old radio shows would play it. You know, a lotta great jazz stations are still AM. So this is a cool experience. But I get it if you don't listen if it's not your cup'o'tea. What an album closer. Teahouse was a closer---so West of H. BUT NOT LIKE THIS!

I can here EMG being the first encore followed by FM. Or maybe it would be the opener. Either way.....

Oh my god! The sax solo! Shit! We need credits? Do you think it's Carole Bayer Sager on Sax?

How about the drums! They are awesome!

Sounds like Fagen released his fingers a bit from Kama and TAN.

Hmmmm fade out ending?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:53:34 ET
Posted by: Lee,

Anybody who stupidly buys a low quality CD of this album either is a Steely Dan fan or potential Steely Dan fan, all of whom will be disgusted at the low quality and of course buy the real thing, or someone who does not care about Steely Dan music (nor decent listening quality) and who would not buy it anyway. Getting this out in a low quality version will only serve to increase sales by promoting the album. NOBODY will be satisfied with the low fidelity, NOBODY. That is why it was allowed to be played at this fidelity level on MSN in the first place. Now maybe someone will be tempted to sell this, and those people are of course wrong and doing a disservice to the buyers. But anybody who buys this as a low quality CD and likes the music will buy the actual CD. This music is so good that the wide distribution of this low fidelity version will increase sales, and again, nobody will be satisfied with the sound quality. Doesn't logic rule here in this instance?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:50:22 ET
Posted by: DF,

Yeah

It IS current sounding and is Vintage Dan all at once.

This album buries 2VN and Kama!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:49:12 ET
Posted by: Lunch with Gina,

The horns, Walter's bass and guitar, the crazy keys. Awesome

Maybe later, maybe never.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:47:11 ET
Posted by: Pixellene II,

Is it true that Libby Titus gets a credit on the album for sqeezing Donald's balls so he hits the falsetto on on Pixelene?

That part of the first video clip where Donald and Walter run into the store captures the energy of this album. All dark and fast and slick and wiggy.

Am I the only one struck by how current sounding this album sounds?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:42:25 ET
Posted by: Green Book,

HOLY FUCK! GREEN BOOK IS AN ORGASM! OH MY GAWDWHACKER! THIS ALBUM IS BETTER THAN GAUCHO! Walter's groove makes it again and then he plays Jerry Garcia better than Jerry.

Is it me or is Pixelene a retread of Wetside Story with much better lyrics and development?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:39:45 ET
Posted by: Slang of Ages,

SLANG ME!

Awesome! And Walter is great...and this so tops the "slinging pussy" lyric.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:34:47 ET
Posted by: slime r who?, .

Yeah, you're right lee. Those pro traders over at ebay really are sticklers for the highest possible quality at all times. I don't know what wave of cynicism came over me there for a moment but I'm set right now thanks to you

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:32:17 ET
Posted by: LIFE IS, GOOD!

This album is so fucking awesome! Thanks!!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:30:00 ET
Posted by: ß, all muffled and tunneled through

It's still up! msnbc at work there. Don't know what to make of that but there really should be a warning about the sound quality. I mean compare the mp3s at hand already with that and there's a world of difference. It still gives a fuzzy overall picture of the album.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:28:31 ET
Posted by: Godwhacker,

Oh my GAWDwhacker!

How about that Bass riff on Godwahacker? It's got the Green Flower Street groove but mucho enhanced. Holy Fuck!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:19:59 ET
Posted by: Things I miss the Most,

This one sounds like the guy is in a bomb shelter missing everything he used to have. King o' The World Maybe I am wrong.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:15:38 ET
Posted by: db,

Lee, The 10th will be here soon enough.
Bl@ise ;)

what's the difference between a deep pan pizza & a drummer ?


A deep pan pizza can feed a family of four.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:11:26 ET
Posted by: Lee,

Not an entrepreneur at all, just a Steely Dan fan like most of the rest of the people on this site. How would any of this help an entrepreneur anyway? The stream is low quality and under what scenario would this help an entrepreneur? Would anybody buy this low quality stream? No! I simply, and I repeat, I simply want to be able to listen to it without relying on the vagaries of the Net, PERIOD!! Nobody with any kind of mind would or could use this in any way in a money making scheme.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:10:34 ET
Posted by: Blaise, on the case

Chicken?
In context, as it happened, I think Duncan knew it was me.
I could be wrong but it's safe to assume.
You're new at this, aren't you?
Another Erik don't ring a bell.

So it's down now?
Wish I had me some of that non-volatile memory... sheesh

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:10:13 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

EMG is SO good it almost escapes description...This is the release I've been waiting for since the late 70's...Intricate, dark, funky and lyrically incredible...Everytime I listen to it, I have a new favorite cut...In retrospect, I almost wish I hadn't heard TLM and BB early because they kind of pale now compared to the rest although I'm sure that too will change upon repeated spins...The GreenRoom was amazing last night, Hoops...Thanks to all who where in attendance...SOH

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 12:04:22 ET
Posted by: slime r us?, .

Lee you wouldn't happen to be an entrepreneur would you?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:58:26 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

The opening to the Title Track sounds like a reworking of some of Mingus' openings, with all that free stuff up front, before the Theme begins.....
listing to some Mingus, and you'll see what I mean.

ygk

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:58:19 ET
Posted by: Lee,

db, here is the direct link to the MSN player page:

http://www.msnbc.com/m/mw/mw.asp?0mw=xh68&sk=msn&id=msn/6247&subid=Music&name=cover&pl=

It still works. Now how does one open the album in Real?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:56:49 ET
Posted by: It's gone,

Oh well. It's gone. Thank God for MDs!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:40:20 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HA!

Dayum! Gottalove Godwhacker - even over my shittly little system here, there's a lot of richness.
Blues Beach is lite, godwhacker is WHACK!
Slang Soars

but Pixeleen is soooooooo pristine........

thanx - MSN/Whoever,
but really

THANX BIG TIME

Donald & Walter

ygk

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:36:14 ET
Posted by: h,

Yes, indeed little doggies, MSN took the link down. Maybe someone IS getting sued. Maybe not. Hmmmm...well thanks for the taste.

Funny discussion: Although I bought maybe 35 copies of 2vN, I think I might buy 10-12 this time. 10-12 gross that is.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:26:33 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

DB...I've still got access...Listening right now...SOH

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:20:55 ET
Posted by: db,

links gone now anyhow !!!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:14:21 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Gee, we all get yet a NINTH Steely Dan album that instantly stands along the other eight studio albums as a classic for the generations and all a few can do is quibble over who gets credit for noticing first. At least 98% of us have our priorities in order and are going to ignore such crap. I mean, what?, are people like Ed, SueDave, and others NOT going to spread the word? Folks like them, and especially, the never-appreciated-enough Big Fan deserve all sorts of kudos for taking time to share links. They could more easily keep it to themselves—and we certainly wouldn't want to encourage that.

I will agree that it seems to be a curious collaboration (or maybe legal settlement?) between corporate giants (Reprise/AOL/Time/Warner/Netscape & competitor MSN/Microsoft) that we first get to hear the album in its entirety. Seems to me this indicates that the "suits" have their mitts all over this one, wanting a big ROI for buying Giant Records or something. Just hope part of the deal works to the advantage of our heroes.

And maybe "whichever erik" wouldn't leave their email, but you know mine and I sure as hell respect db's desire to experience the premiere of EMG however they desire. It *is* ironic for someone to come on as anon and refer to someone as chicken.

Well, I've only listened once through, last night, with my Mac, a modem connection via AOL and Windows Media Player for Mac. So I kinda have had a less-than-full-dimensional listening experience. Nevertheless, the album has a dark R & B edge to it it with a lot of quirks. I think Walter is the real star of this album. His bass and guitar work, assuming I have the credits right, are what stand out so far for me. And that intro to the title track! How about it!?!? And "Greenbook" really has been entranced from what I recall. Will give another listen in a few.

Thanks to everyone for sharing last night. It was amazing that many people were in chat at that hour. I can't get over the spontaneity of it all. Let's all meet again tonight in chat at say 9:00 PM NYC Time. See ya there.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 11:10:31 ET
Posted by: DF,

What a surreal morning this has been.

Godwhacker is the most infectious song on the album. I said when I first heard it on the second Taxicab installment that it could be my favorite and it is. The Synth Blues Harp is a pleasant surprise.

I can't remember being this excited about 2VN. EMG helps me see how little I actually like 2VN. Unlike its predecesor, this is definitive Steely Dan. EMG DOES sound like it could have followed Gaucho. I never agreed when that was said about 2VN.

Doesn't Walter sound like Mark Knopfler? SLANG ME Baby!

This album is SO satisfying. I don't need to get dressed. I'm wearing a smile.

There are so many musicial references on this album. The Last Mall--Green Onions; Godwhacker--Dectective TV Show Themes; Green Book --Duke Ellington's Caravan; EMG--John Coltrane's A Love Supreme. All were prodigiously chosen and cleverly utilized.

I've got nothing but love for this CD. Every song is perfect! I can't wait til June 10th.

I don't know how you do it my friend, but Donald and Walter-- YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!

DF

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 10:40:33 ET
Posted by: Lee,

db, how does one open the MSN version of EMG in Real?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 10:11:23 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers, high time indeed

That surprise early stream on MSN made this morning fabulous. I'll be able to make it until June 10 now.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 09:52:34 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

was on ROM

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 09:19:30 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Antoher Erik: Sorry...Both hoops and I have Macs - Windows Media Player works just fine on the Mac...remember Gates "borrowed" the Mac OS when designing software for an earlier version of the Mac...but it was a trick. Back then the Mac OS was on RON or hardware so it could be patented...no one else could replicate the ROM chip and sell it...Gates emulated the Mac OS using software instead of hardware and put it on top of DOS shell...and Gates also "stole" DOS as well...

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 08:49:25 ET
Posted by: db,

Andy Says ''the music cannot be saved permanently''

It can !!!

(open it in your realplayer window)

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 08:46:52 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hey Another Erik, your just as anon as the others.

Why credit Bill Gates ? Reprise have the link on their site, msn are just hosting it.

The only ones I want to thank are D&W for making this unbelievable album and letting Reprise & MSN set this whole thing up.

Lets enjoy the music !!!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 08:27:57 ET
Posted by: Yet another Erik,

Oh Yeah, forgot.....THE ALBUM IS AWESOME!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 08:25:39 ET
Posted by: Another Erik,

Thanks to Erik for letting us know about the link, but that's all he did. You guys act likesomeone brought a prescious bootleg. He didn't. Some of you should get a grip on what just happned. I mean I'm in chat and Ed announces it like HE put it up! And then someoneelse finds it here and post it to the yellow and everyone there acts like that poster should get credit for sneaking us the album. And then I bet over at the UK Yellowbook tribute guestbook there;s someone else taking credit for releasing the album.

The album wasn't sneaked, Eric, Ed, and Suedave didn't

Doesn't anyone get what happened? Everything Must Go was just released to us by MICROSOFT, by BILL GATES! Doesn't anyone get it? An album about corporate greed was brought to us by one of the worlds largest and influential corporations. This ain't no sneak for us to preview. It's a carefully orchestrated plan by corporations like AOL Time Warner and Microsoft for it to get released. Ha, Ha Macintosh users, you can't listen, you need windows media player. Chill about any possibility that you are doing anything dubious. If it were wrong, MS would be in the headlines this morning for breaking copyright and how t hey were being sued. Andy is too small a fish to fry or he would get sued up the ass. Guitar Player doesn't even care their article was ripped off.

This is an official pre-release via the internet. Nothing naughty or on the sly.

THANK YOU BILL GATES FOR BRINGING US EVERYTHING MUST GO. Gotta love the irony -- and all of you with an over-inflated self-sense of credit.

Speaking of irony, you gotta love the post making fun of DB for deciding to wait for a better quality version of EMG. I mean, here's someone calling DB a chicken and they are so chicken themselves that they post as an anon. What a wuss-chicken throwing stones from a glass chicken coup. And DB, I'll be glad to buy you a drink, at least you have sound quality standards you stand by. I can empathize.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 08:04:11 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Heaven on Earth

Erik - THANK YOU.

WOW!

Godwhacker is unbelievable, what a groove! They have to play that on the tour!

What a Glorious Day to be FREE!


KC

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 06:49:06 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, ...

Second leg articles:
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=musicNews&storyID=2775195

http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/754/public/news458796.html

http://www.livedaily.citysearch.com/news/5005.html

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1891043

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 06:46:54 ET
Posted by: Robin,

Erik -
You have just made my joy.
You have the catch of the day.
You should probably play the lottery or enter a contest.
This may be your day.
You may have just performed your mission on earth.
It's that good.
My humble thanks could never be enough.
What a euphoric start to a day!
Robin

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 06:25:15 ET
Posted by: ,

Chick-en! poc poc poc poc lol

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 06:15:47 ET
Posted by: db,

Nice work Andy.

Erik, thanks for the link.
I listned to about 35 seconds of last mall then chickened out.
I'm waiting fot the 9th.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 06:10:49 ET
Posted by: Blaise, the talk, the sex...

First impressions, deciphering the streams: tons of funk!

The talk, the sex...
The house on the Vineyard
The house on the Gulf Coast
These are the things
I miss
the most

*Classic*

Oh and my '54 Strat...

I'm learning how to meditate, so far so good...
These days really don't last forever
It's getting pretty darn close...
Hunkered down to read The Post...
And that's when I remember
things
I miss
the most
... and then boom! I remember...

***

Better get some coffee
Better run run run
Godwhacker's on the case
At the start of the end of history

***
Wake me up in due time
Soothe me with the
Slang Of Ages
Show me how it goes
Did you say you were from the Netherlands...
She skipped dimensions
Something I said?

***
FUNKY Green Book
***

And that's when she jumped the turnstile - Pixelene
Those may be the highest sung Fagen notes on record.
btw
fagen falsetto
love it

***

FUNKY Lunch With Gina
Maybe later maybe never
Lunch With Gina

***

High time for a walk on the real side...
Light up all the Luckies...
Talk about your major pain and suffering...
Frankly I could use a little peace time...
Time for us to boogie...
Noone's ever gonna know
We're goin' out of business
Everything must go

Sounds like one has a good inch of wax buildup to listen through...
But hey, great great stuff. Thanks for the link. Made my morning, and perhaps, the next, and then the next...

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 04:58:41 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, Downunder

Here you go KD

http://www.bestbuy.com/mandm/Productinfo.asp?ST=11221723&m=254

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 04:21:14 ET
Posted by: d,

Erik

You are the fucking man!

Andy, the site is killer! This has been a great day and it's only 4:30 am

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:40:14 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, Montana

WOW!

Thanks Eric!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:37:20 ET
Posted by: KD, Chi

Awesome work, Andy, just starting to dig through.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:31:02 ET
Posted by: Andy, Good time to be a Dan fan

Boy, hell of a lot of stuff going on in the world of Dandom. Totally by coincidence, today is the grand re-opening of my Steely Dan site. I have prepared this fine promotional material for your consumption...please forgive its crassness.

---

Andy Metzger's Steely Dan Page is updated with scores of new features, content and information. After numerous delays, the new version of Andy Metzger's Steely Dan Page is now online at http://www.andymetzger.com.

Some of the highlights of the new site include:

* The Steely Dan Media Archive - a searchable archive of hundreds of Steely Dan articles, interviews, reviews and features from 1972 to 2003.

* The Complete Steely Dan Track Guide - TheElSupremo's comprehensive list of every Steely Dan song ever written or recorded

* Interview with Kenny Vance - the new site will feature magazine style articles and interviews. The first such piece is an interview with Becker and Fagen's former employer.

* Comprehensive coverage of Everything Must Go and the upcoming tour
* Audio interviews, complete list of Steely Dan web links, complete discography and more...

* Not to mention what is already on the site--the latest Steely news, a large collection of rare and unreleased MP3s, etc., etc.

Stop by, check it out, and let me know what you think.
---

On an unrelated note, if you're in the market for a quality used automobile, I'm your man.

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:11:02 ET
Posted by: SteelyDanFan,

Wow! Whatta night! Thanks to everyone for the great chat tonight! I don't think I have seen so many smiling faces packed in chat and I didn't even really know what you all look like in real life.

Thank you for the link, Erik. Thank you for making the Blue guestbook and green chat possible Hoops. You are Dan Fan numero uno! Everyone is the best, especially Walter and Donald. THANK YOU FOR THE NEW ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS PLACE IS THE TITS!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:01:55 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, Downunder

ERIK

Your a DEADSET LEDGEND MATE!!!!!!

Cheers

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 03:01:37 ET
Posted by: DACW,

THE CUBS WIN THE PENNANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


EMG is that amazing!!!!!

Weiskopf brings it home with soul on EMG and Slang of Ages

Donald dusts off the Synth Blues Harp on Godwhacker

but the coup de gras is WALTER KICKS MAJOR ASS! with solos!!! Greenbook, Lunch with Gina...

jaw on the floor stuff even with lo lo lo fidelity - where's that DVD-A?!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 02:38:52 ET
Posted by: denton, dav, iowa

Wow, thanks for that link, Erik!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 02:26:02 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

FUCK. The link isn't working anymore (at least for me). How does the record compare to other Steely Dan? Any solos stand out?

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 02:10:30 ET
Posted by: suedave, with goosebumps!

Holy Fucking Shit! Righteous grooves, righteous!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:45:24 ET
Posted by: h,

As said in our impromptu listening party in the Greenroom, it's not quite Christmas, but it IS like looking under the bed a few days before and finding out that the folks came through with everything on your Xmas wish list. WHOO HOOOO!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:40:49 ET
Posted by: Dave,

What FUCKING KICK ASS ALBUM!!!!!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:29:23 ET
Posted by: KD,

yr right, holy shit wasn't enough ...

HOLY FUCK!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:26:39 ET
Posted by: DF,

Holy Fuck is right!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:24:31 ET
Posted by: h,

HOLY FUCK!

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:19:39 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .

Craapy audio quality and all....the title tune brought tears to my eyes. An instant classic!!!

Oh man I need to hear this on DVD-A!


Mark in Boston

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 01:00:13 ET
Posted by: KD,

holy shit

Date: Tues, May 20, 2003, 00:32:21 ET
Posted by: Erik,

Official MSN Entertainment site is now featuring the whole new album....crummy quality even with broadband download speeds but well worth the 42 minute listen.....

http://entertainment.msn.com/netcal/?netcal=314

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 22:09:48 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC

Sandz

"Paranymphic" glider.

There is no acual word in any dictionary I've seen for "paranymphic". However, there is such thing as a "paranymph"

Most commonly a bridegroom or best man, it can also be an accomplice, someone who aids and abets. Leave it to Don & Walt.

I've heard both Blues Beach and Last Mall via MP3, but they'll sound a whole lot better on my Boston Accoustics than on the little PC speakers. 6/10 is right around the corner. 8/27 at Nissan Center in Northern VA will have to wait a little longer. If you have not seen these dudes and their most formidable band in concert, run out and get your hot hands on tix ASAP! They put on a show that is absolutely unique to the music industry.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 20:46:10 ET
Posted by: Sandz,

It's hard to make out what kind of glider we have. It sounds like "parenthetic"-glider, as in 'quote unquote'-glider/with a hypothetical grin, as in a supposedly fun thing to do. Anyone?

with a BTC(Big Tropical Cooler), Sandz

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 15:33:37 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

While it is sort of awkward to see/hear Jarrett play, in my opinion, it is still a complete joy to hear a musician of his caliber. Do I wish he would shut the fuck up? Yes. Will I stop listening to him because of the vocalising? Absolutely not.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 15:00:38 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, going home soon

My sources tell me the promoter's club pre sale requests for the Mohegan Sun and Oakdale shows must be in by May 28. The tickets will then go on sale to the general public - probably May 31 or June 7.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 14:43:28 ET
Posted by: h,

In addition to his sending info about the Detroit show ticket info, Neil Rudish also sent out advance word Saturday to the Detroit Danfest list about another Danfest at Clarkston Union like in 2000.

jim

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 12:58:31 ET
Posted by: Detroit On Sale, Ticketmaster

Steely Dan
DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI
Mon, Aug 11, 2003 7:30pm
Price | seating chart

LAWN SEATING-GENERAL ADMISSION
$27.50
PAVILION SEATING
$65.00


Internet Onsale Info
Onsale to General Public:
Mon, 05/19/03, 10:00am

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 12:42:40 ET
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

Chalk me up as one of the people who would much rather see a Donald solo album than a Walter album.

For me, The Nightfly is one of the best albums ever made. Period. I can't say the same about 11TOW.

M

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 12:36:54 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey Philfrance

I think the url you meant to post is http://www.johnsimonmusic.com.

The one you posted doesn't exist.

WHY would you sit on news like that?! There'll NEVER be a moment in the greater Dan Fandom in which this couldn't be of interest!

I'm really intrigued about Donald's project. What is its premise going to be? Who else is he collaborating with?

It's still too early yet to see what will become of all this, but I am very excited about it.

DF

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 12:26:51 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, one more thing about Hirth

I just pulled Hirth's catalog and noticed he has a live album from 1999 that was recorded in Japan. One of the tunes he does is a cover of Bob Dylan's "Down Along The Cove". That's interesting because Fagen used to pull that tune out in the early 90s and play it during the early stages of the New York Rock And Soul Revue.

Mark in Boston

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 11:05:26 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Hirth Martinez

Philfrance - Thanks for the info! Now this, I can get excited about! (I can't say the same about Carol Bayer Sager). Donald and Hirth could write some cool tunes together. I always thought he had a Dr. John meets Steely Dan sound. No doubt, he was introduced to Donald by Libby because Hirth had a tight relationship with all the members in The Band in the 70s, including Levon Helm. I think Robbie Robertson produced his album. This is good news!

Mark in Boston

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 09:43:55 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Back at work - bummer

From the Saratogian - great name for a paper:
http://www.saratogian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=8054195&BRD=1169&PAG=461&dept_id=17708&rfi=8

Can't wait until June 10 - and then the concerts to follow. I'm tempted to buy a DVD-A player at the same time.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 04:15:05 ET
Posted by: C @ W,

I've seen Jarrett on TV a couple of times the last week, he won the Swedish Polar Prize this year, that's why he's been on.

It's a pain seeing this guy play. I wish he could just sit down and shut the fuck up.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 03:43:00 ET
Posted by: Philfrance,

At first I didn't think you would care that much about that as the big thing now is EMG, but in the april issue of Mojo, they say that Donald is currently writing songs with Hirth Martinez. If you want to know how that mysterious Mr Martinez sounds, you can try John Simon's own website http://www.johnsimon.com where you will hear some soundbytes from the albums he produced for that man. There is even a recommendation from Donald himself who says something fine about Hirth.
A la prochaine
Philippe

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 03:29:54 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'm listening to a Gary Peacock record called "Tales Of Another" from 1977 on ECM. It's the same group as the Keith Jarrett Trio (Gary on bass, Keith on piano, and Jack DeJohnette on drums). As much as I love Keith's playing, and this group in particular, I don't know how Keith's vocals can be so goddamn loud. It sounds as if he's "vocalising" into a microphone, but obviously he isn't. It's the piano mics that are picking up his voice. That means he must be REALLY loud.

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 01:55:15 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hey Little_Wild_One and Danfiend.

Reporting in as requested. No further contact with the "mysterious" visitor in the green after you left at 2am.

I suppose will will never know ?

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 01:40:30 ET
Posted by: df, Where's spellcheck when you need one?

substitute these words where appropiate to the previous post:

pass
appointment
chocolate

(These words conjure up suspicious images when placed together this way, don't they?)

Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 01:33:10 ET
Posted by: danfiend, Spring Reading List

Hello Greater Dan Fandom

I was thinking about us, the intelligent, eclectic, sophisticates that we all are, and reached a conclusion. In addition to our daily Dan Fan rituals(mine, a daily recitation of my mantra Don't Take Me Alive, a (not-so) smooth retsina, and my often futile attempts at reelin' in the sheaves)we should add a book club. And why not? If Oprah can have one why can't we?!

I've decided to offer as our first reading the classic collection of Penguin Paperbacks. Yes Danfans, now you too can read the same literature that our head man, the big guy, the REAL DF reads.

A wide selection of material can be found at the following urls:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mcgoni/penguins/

http://magusbks.com/PenguinMain/penguinClassics/penguinClassicsL21.htm

I have chosen Dante's Divine Comedy. Think about it, Dan-te.(Seems about right to me.) Once every other day, one of us must post a sypnosis on the work we've chosen. And since days mast like months it'll be that long before I post mine. Please be patient.

Well fellow Danfans, I must be leaving now. I have an apointment with a blonde and a Chocalte-Banana--make that vanilla shake.

G'night
DF

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 18:28:41 ET
Posted by: Denton, Davenport, Iowa

Hoops, I am getting anxious to hear about the United Center show, also.
Never been to a SD show yet!

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 18:04:49 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'm getting a little concerned that there's still absolutely no ticket info for the August 14th Toronto show. I will be devastated if it's cancelled (even though I'll be seeing Syracuse and possibly Jones Beach, too). Were there 2000 shows where ticket info wasn't announced until months after the show had been announced?

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 15:43:00 ET
Posted by: DanFan, MD

For those of you that haven't heard blues beach or the last mall. Click on the link below and hit the play button. They play both songs about 4 times an hour.

http://live365.com/stations/293319

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 15:17:14 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, Home

Hey,
Costa Mesa tix are secured.

Ed

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 13:08:38 ET
Posted by: Peg, Flattened by cat, losing circulation in left leg..

Hoopsie! WXRT! Oh, how I wish I was in Chicago again. What a great radio station it was/is. Used to be you'd hear Ravel's Bolero one minute and Talking Heads the next. I am jealous we have no such thing here....I am forthwith heading out right now to find out whether SD is on the cover of Downbeat. As for Roseland tickets and when they go on sale, people, please post an alert here if you findout before me. FYI Columbus, Ohio, tockets go on sale in early June. Love to all and happy day! ~Peg

Date: Sun, May 18, 2003, 11:54:04 ET
Posted by: hoops,

This morning on "Sunday Edition" they had the "Puzzle Master" feature and the subject for today's puzzle was "The WB: things with initials "W" and "B." Clue: "Container made of twigs." A: "Wicker Basket." So they go through, "Whistle Blower," "Water Bearer," and about 15 other things in about 3-4 minutes. Well, DAMN! I kept waiting for the clue, "One half of Steely Dan."

Despite my hopes yesterday, no ad this morning in the paper for Steely Dan at the United Center. Now I'm looking for WXRT or that 97.9 to offer a pre-sale and actual sale advertised this Friday. Just speculating at this point.

jim

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 17:25:58 ET
Posted by: sitchie,

Hey only way to get rid of me is to feed me.

BREAKING NEWS updated 15_05_03

15.05.03 :: Steely Dan release helps push forward audi
(Report: Inlik Flynn)

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 17:21:30 ET
Posted by: sit,

WB DOES do the vocal on "Slang of Ages"...Any more predictions?...SOH (Geez, DUH… whatta ya been living in a cave, Bin?)

Yeah i've got a perdiction: The Spam people will come out with a product called hamkey (a ham /turkey meat ). No they won't actually physically mate the 2 diff species (although this reporter would love to see that). It wil be a petrie dish affair!

Of course, they will market it as "The other Pink Meat ®"

Aw Hoops don't gong me!


Zecharia

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 14:17:40 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Steely Dan: experimenting with a new format

Play.com has the DVD-A of EMG for Sale pre-ordered and out the 9th (late 8th our time):

http://www.playserver5.com/play247.asp?page=comingsoon&r=DVDA

From Jazzwise and Pete...
-------------------------------------------------------------------

BREAKING NEWS updated 15_05_03

15.05.03 :: Steely Dan release helps push forward DVD audi
(Report: Mike Flynn)

Just when you thought you had all your audiovisual needs met with a great stereo and a DVD player, along comes another format that might just save the necks of both stressed record execs and their musicals charges whose work is being downloaded rather than bought.

DVD Audio is a format that utilizes the vast amount of data storage space on a DVD, 15 times that of a CD, for reproducing six channels of surround sound instead of two for stereo, with the added visual aspect of menus and sub-menus of extras all accessed and controlled via your TV, for pretty much the same price as a CD. Despite the format being around for a couple of years, its pioneers Warner Music Vision has waited until now to push it to the mainstream as they now predict that out of the millions of new DVD owners, around 1.5 million of them will have surround sound systems by Christmas this year.

The catch is just this though, you won't be able to play these discs on a conventional CD player ú and of course there's a competing format, Super Audio CD launched last year, from Sony and Phillips. DVD A however looks the stronger of the two on paper as tying in both the visual advantages of song lyrics, interviews and rare footage plus the steady ubiquity of home surround sound systems presents the buyer with options that are literally 3D as opposed to just plain stereo, albeit great sounding stereo.

Warner has made a virtue of this premium quality format by simultaneously releasing both Fleetwood Mac's latest album Say You Will on both CD and DVD A, and now the new Steely Dan studio album Everything Must Go on both formats. 'The Dan' sound fresher and funkier than ever, the new format bringing out some breathtaking sounds, producing noticeably brighter, crisper and deeper resolution than the heavy compression of traditional CD recordings. It's the relatively uncompressed Dolby 5.1 DTS surround sound that takes things to a new dimension, as this is probably the closest thing to sitting behind the mixing desk and hearing the finished, mastered mix, with Walter Becker and Donald Fagen grinning wryly on the sofa next to you. Aimed initially at affluent, gadget-obsessed, hi-fi connoisseurs, with large disposable incomes this is a format that will cause much debate among the hi-fi buffs, but Universal will join the format battle by releasing a clutch of pop titles soon as well.

At present a DVD A starter pack can consist of titles by George Benson (Breezin'), Pat Metheny Group (Imaginary Day), Béla Fleck (Tales From The Acoustic Planet), Joni Mitchell (Both Sides Now) Billy Cobham (Spectrum) ú as well as The Doors (LA Woman), Paul Simon (You're The One) and a clutch of other classic rock and classical albums that have been re-engineered.

The main reason for any industry excitement around this format is that sound engineers have finally found a way to 'watermark' recordings and the sheer density of the discs means they can't be ripped into MP3s (yet). Until there are enough good titles available that make full use of DVD A the market remains a niche one, yet there's no denying the exceptional quality of the discs available.

The key thing DVD A encourages is listening to the music, not just the hi-fi, and surely that's a good thing.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:52:55 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, celebrating our day of independence

Shaun: Sorry, probably won't be flying in. Costs money, which I don't have.

Whoever it was complaining about the Android Warehouse demo's: I love these songs. One thing is the songs later "rereleased", hearing the progression from demo to finished product, but the others! If you don't appreciate some of these great songs (Come back baby, A Horse in Town, You go where I go, Sun Mountain), I find it odd that you call yourself a Steely Dan fan. Unless you only like them because of their impeccable sound, of course. But that's kind of meaningless, non? This is probably the cd I've been listening to most frequently lately (this sentence stinks), bar none.

It would have been bar 2vN, if I could find the damn thing - it's driving me crazy! And it also brings me to my next point: 2vN. It's a fabulous album, and I like it better than Gaucho, which I also love. Nothing beats 2vN when it comes to music to chill to(and that completes another great sentence) in the summer. The songwriting is what really stands out to me. The chord progressions are so "new and fresh" without ever sounding awkward or weird. I think it ranks with the best of them.

I just hope EMG will be as good. Then I'll be overjoyed.

Mme Erzulie

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:47:40 ET
Posted by: Dan Hill,

Fox (all Bush All the Time) is reporting that Donald is collaborating with Leo Sayer!

The honesty's toooo much,

Dan

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:39:44 ET
Posted by: Not Me,

Hello to certain folks:

It has come to my attention that many folks think that I am posting here under assumed names. Well, it isn't me. It must be someone else. I just post under my own name. Unless you think something is particularly intelligent or funny - then that is me, of course.

I crack myself up.

And I don't have the new CD or DVD or anything. Anyone posting here what says they have it is lying bitches.

And you guys are missing the boat :TVN and gotta walk it are the best steely dan recording ever!

So, please let me appologize to all concerned if there was some confusion. Hooppie, you can stop deleting my posts - i''ll be good - hey its just me - or not.

Z. Sitchin

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:30:47 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Nigel:
You're way ahead of me. My iPod is only in my head!

Speaking of applemusic.com, I thought I would check out what's the most downloaded music so far in terms of our heroes:

Steely Dan
1) Reelin' in the Years [Last week "Reelin'" from the box was #1 and "Reelin'" from "Decade" was something like #6. Good to see they got them combined.]
2) Aja
3) Do It Again
4) Hey Nineteen
5) Rikkib&
6) Peg
7) Josie
8) FM
9) Deacon Blues
10) Home At Last

Full Steely Dan albums available for download include "Citizen Steely Dan," "Decade," "Gaucho" and 2vN. "Gaucho" and 2vN have been added since applemusic.com made its debut.

Donald Fagen
1) IGY
2) New Frontier
3) Maxine
4) Ruby Baby
5) The Nightfly
6) Green Flower Street
7) Walk Between Raindrops
8) The Goodbye Look
9) Springtime
10) Pretzel Logic (NY Rock and Soul Revue version)

NY Rock and Soul Revue "Live at the Beacon" and "The Nightfly" are available as complete albums. "On The Dunes" is the only Kama track not there.

Sadly, Walter's album is still a glaring omission, and "Blues Beach" isn't there yet.

jim

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:26:53 ET
Posted by: angel,

Andy: Great review. I finally know which way to go, regarding what to buy on June 10th.

I have faith that Donald will not do anything to bother the sales of EMG. These albums are their children and you never deliberately try to sabotage one, over the other. I still feel he just has things he needs to say musically. More power to him. Go Donald!

Blaise: Nails it for me. ;-)

‘Lunch with Gina’ is about a fantasy stalker or a stalker fantasy, I’m not sure which, and it’s “the waiter never comes” line emphasises that this album’s theme is the New York equivalent of the Eagles ‘Hotel California’ disillusionment. The gently funky bass-line and the superb Fagen solo, along with much discrete instrumental placement make for an interesting mix.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 12:04:22 ET
Posted by: Nigel, Uk

Hi Hoops

The thing about the P800 is that it is a *phone* (as well as many other things,....I visit this site on it)

I tend to find carrying a phone + mp3 player a bit too much (I'm a proud owner of a pjb100 60 gb)

I almost always have my phone on me however so its great to have access to all the albums.

Nigel

nb

I am also encoding my 2vN DVD that can also be viewed on the P800, with good results.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 11:41:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, having a feeling that this afternoon's sunday paper will have chicago show info

Nigel:
That's what's so delightful about these players, assuming you can cope with the slightly less-quality sound, which you point out isn't so bad. Only I'd do it with an iPod for Mac or Windows. More capacity, technical elegance and of course, even greater sound quality off applemusic.com.

Big Fan and others:
Thanks as always for all the links.

Andy:
Thanks for the heads up.

laters

jim

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 11:08:52 ET
Posted by: Nigel, UK

With all the talk of DVD audio (and it sound exciting)I've been experimenting at the other end of the scale and now have ALL 8 albums + Blues Beach + Last Mall/ + Here At The Western World & FM (with room for other EMG tracks)......

on my Mobile/smart phone- Sony Ericsson P800

The audio standard I'm using is ogg at 48 constant bit rate.

I find the quality to be amazing.

Please note this is NOT mp3 but a specialist low bit rate encoding program

If anyone is interested in having all of the Steely Dan albums in your pocket (so you can have instant gratification)I will post more details on what is needed.

Nigel
UK

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 10:10:39 ET
Posted by: DACW,

BigFan: Any vendors in the States besides BuyDVDNow (there's a waiting list only) had EMG DVD-A for sale now?

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 09:26:29 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, still sleeping obviously

Meant to add these articles to the last post:

From Atlantic City: Tickets to Philly show on sale Monday
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/lifestyle/051703M17PHILLYTIX.html


From Ft. Lauderdale:
Hammering on the Eagles. Q you must be pyched.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/sfl-sheaglesmay16,0,7325567.story?coll=sfla-entertainment-headlines

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 09:20:32 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Just waking up

Mike the Borgata hasn't even opened yet I believe - or may just have recently opened. I've seen conflicting numbers - some say it only holds 1000 others 2400. Maybe they have multiple venues like Mohegan Sun. Bottom line tickets there are going to be expensive $$$$$$$ and aren't on sale yet. They don't have any concerts scheduled there before 7/24. Their web site doesn't even mention concerts.
http://www.theborgata.com/

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 08:43:49 ET
Posted by: mike mishura, lbi, nj

hi all,

a question for nj/philly fans:

the august date in atlantic city.
Aug 30: Atlantic City, NJ : Event Center at Borgata

any idea when tix go on sale for this? anyone know what this place holds? i'm local, and can't seem to find out much about it...

theborgata.com is still in pre-open mode (no hard info about anything substantial), and i'm wondering...

yes! i'm subscribed to the newsletter, but instant gratification takes too long.

mikem
lbi, nj

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 07:57:11 ET
Posted by: Woody Allen,

Even the least successful Steely Dan tune is perfect.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 07:05:05 ET
Posted by: ß, that's "imaginary stalker", mind you

Great review you got there, Andy. It's very insightful.
So those backing vocals on Blues Beach are all Carolyn Leonhart's, coming to us left and right.
And four songs follow this "start of the end of history" theme.
Interesting.

I was accused of stalking Gina by some "anon" (hmm...) once at StAl's, so I can sort of relate.

I gotta say, these DVD-A pushers present compelling arguments.
Note to all who got an advance copy: THIS is how it's done.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 03:52:47 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at last

North Jersey Concerts:
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTYzNzk4MTkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
Cleveland Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/105310170291980.xml

FoxNews about Donald's colaboration effort:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87073,00.html

Nice review Andy - can't wait to hear the DVD-A

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 02:35:26 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood,

Hey DanFiend...You nailed it...WB DOES do the vocal on "Slang of Ages"...Any more predictions?...SOH

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 02:15:47 ET
Posted by: Andy, Can't stay away from here

Just had a friend call me to tell me that the Downbeat with SD on the cover is out on newsstands now. I'm gonna check it out tomorrow morning.

Dude- I did get a package this week. The mailman (woman?) told me she thought it had anthrax in it--no joke. E-mail me.

Thelonious- That WB/Zevon collaboration better happen fast, although I agree that they're very much in the same style. I believe the only people WB has ever co-written with are DF and Dean Parks (and that kids' album with Michael Keaton, but I'm not counting that).

I'm curious if DF and WB ever write tunes with themselves in mind, not Steely Dan. I also wonder what WB was doing in the 80s songwriting wise. You know he came up with more than 12 tunes in 14 years.

Alright, I gotta get off of this book. Check out my site on Tuesday...big updates coming.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 01:14:42 ET
Posted by: required,

Andy - you get a package this week?

-Dude.

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 01:11:03 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, MT

The news of the CBS/Fagen collaboration started me thinking about other possible collaborative combinations for Donald and Walter.

How about...

• Fripp and Fagen
• Zevon and Becker
• Larry Carlton and DF
• Metheny and Fagen
• Boz and Donald
• Paul Simon and Fagen
• Krall and Becker

Any other ideas?

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 00:48:41 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Northern hemisphere

So how do we get Walter to do another solo album?
I'd love to hear a follow up to 11TOW!

Hey Walter! Get that solo-album done and I'll bake and send you you some GENUINE Swedish ginger cookies! OK? OK!

P-G E

Date: Sat, May 17, 2003, 00:15:57 ET
Posted by: Andy, Same place

Re the whole DF solo album Carole Bayer Sanger thing: This is far from a done deal. I think we all know how SD news (and especially gossip and speculation) works. There is a lot of misreporting and guesswork done. The Washington Post reported that Steely Dan had reformed in 1985. Here's my two cents: DF and CBS probably did work together. They're probably not working on an entire album--that doesn't make sense knowing the history of DF's stuff. Maybe they worked on a song or two. And who's to say DF will even be happy with what comes out of their work. Very good chance nothing will come out of it.

Also--just because Friedman says the next record is following EMG doesn't mean it'll be out anytime soon. DF is kind of occupied from now until October. He may have been working on it on and off, but there is still a lot of work to be done. It's still years off, if it will ever come.

Now assuming those reports are true, I'm kinda turned off by a DF album. I'd love to see another WB album though. You have to think that at this point in time, a DF solo record would take away from any SD activity. If DF devotes his attention to a solo record it could very well be 5 years till we see another SD record. Again - all speculation.

Is the solo album a sure thing? Hardly. I think we'll all have a much better idea about the shape of things to come around Christmastime.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 23:52:04 ET
Posted by: Andy, Way down in Washington DC

Just got this story e-mailed to me. Best review of EMG yet...

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=13143569

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 21:12:25 ET
Posted by: DACW,

hey, you all may have forgotten that Michael McDonald and Carole Bayer-Sager c0owrote How Do Those Fools Survive, which features Skunk's last guitar solo with the Doobies on Minute By Minute...I like it


also, we all remember, Michael McDonald and Carly Simon collaborated on You Belong to Me, which is good stuff, especially the Doobie version.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 20:09:15 ET
Posted by: Quad,

Carole Bagel-Sagel?

Why doesn't Donald team up with Art Garfunkel?

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 19:57:03 ET
Posted by: Bod Squod,

Hey Danfiend, it's not Donald's bodily functions I'm worried about listening to. It's Carole B-whatever's I don't wanna listen to. OK?

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 19:10:56 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Every Dan (or Don) fan worth their salt knows that Donald's going to render something outstanding regardless of who helps him with it.
I know I didn't imply having reservations about his latest collaboration. I said that I don't know how I feel because I don't know enough about Ms. Sager to form an opinion.

We ALL know that Big Noise, New York was written with Marcelle Clemens; Florida Room was written with Libby Titus; and Century's End was written with Timothy Meher. They're all great songs to which little can compare.

Frankly, I don't care. If Donald released an album of bodily functions I'd love it.(Even though I might be glad I wasn't in the studio at the time.) With all that Donald's given us, to doubt him at any point is beyond unfair!

DF

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 18:55:27 ET
Posted by: hoops,

To the Last Anon:
I have to agree "The Nightfly" is a sublime, dare-I-say PERFECT album. But regarding "Kama," I don't know whether my humor is impaired but, based on my experiences here, I'd say, amongst the loyal Dandom, it's the least favorite of all the SD, DF and WB albums. Note I didn't say it was bad album and actually I say it's great. But it's the only album I'm not always up for listening to. It's intellifunk, extra-dry.

As for the collaboration with CBS, I'm sure it will be great and I think the reaction is overblown, as if Donald is doing a tribute album to her or something. Personally, I think "Almost Gothic" hints at what he might do with this album. However, do count me amongst those who, without hearing this new solo DF album, would, given a choice, vote for a Becker solo. The bottom line is, it's ALL good. I prefer some Steely Dan and DF or WB songs over others but unlike any other artist, there isn't any song of theirs, solo or otherwise, that I hate. I can't say that for any other artist I like. Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan,...they all have a least a couple stinkers in my book. Not Becker and Fagen.

jim

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 18:52:18 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Lee: I think what you mean is put your pre-conceived notions aside. Steely Dan can be enjoyed at any level at any time at any iteration...Pre-conceived notions and pre-dictions limited some appreciation for Kama at first...I gues I expected more open jazz and R&B...extrapolating from the song patterns and soundscape in The Nightfly. Kama seems constrained but the album opens up more with each song - the mix is really wierd, but a clue was the black and white lithographs B-movie thing in the liner notes - a subconscious dream.. I play the songs in reverse order sometimes...I had this notion that Kama might move more toward purer jazz and really sophisticated chord slut territory, but it relied more on rhythm...

That and 11 ToW (how Medical Science got left off and Waterloo on in the American release is beyond me) had me more prepared to just let go with TvN. By accident the first song I heard was West of Hollywodd, and I just about hit the roof, I was so excited - I could hear those layers meshing like a well oiled Porshe or was it Blazer?

Anyway, I'm peeling back the layers now listening to alternate takes of Dr. Wu and Your Gold Teeth II...while I like to pick out instruments, listen to them interacting with other sinturments and by themselves...thos outtakes without the sax solo or guitar and with slightly different interpretations - omartian's piano and Porcaro's drumming are miraculous - almost cosmic!

That's why I heartily recommend mulitiple listens - not to brainwash yourself into satisfaction, but instead to enjoy the many levels of Dan...and TvN was heavy on interactions with many songs - and the live bounce on EMG...


ß: Probably 2004 or 2005 or longer if Walter doesn't produce...old habits die hard...

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 18:43:44 ET
Posted by: They Know Who You Are, TEXAS

Hey, look DF's solo albums are great. Better in fact than some of the SD stuff. Kamakiriad is everyone's favorite and Nightfly is simply an outstanding work.

Lay off DF's collabration plans. I believe he knows what he is doing.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 18:35:41 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Weren't there some tunes on "Kamakiriad" that were collaborations with Libby Titus? Also, I think Walter collaborated on his record. If this means that there's a third DF solo record coming out, then he could get Kenny G to help write the tunes, and I wouldn't mind (well, that's stretching it). It's not like we won't get classic Donald Fagen. Really, when has he ever disappointed us?

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 17:54:19 ET
Posted by: ß, fagen fan first

Unlike others, I don't mind that collaboration idea at all. First, it's not one that's likely to extend to the whole album. Second, when it comes to lyrical work, meaning playing with the musicality of words, she's obviously no slouch, whatever one may think of the underlying music.
Bottom line: we got a lot of Dan coming our way. And that can only be good news. I wouldn't be surprised if Walter Becker had something up his sleeve as well. I just never heard about such a project on his part.

I have a question for whoever does have the EMG CD at hand, following mu's hint here: can you recognize part of an old outtake anywhere in there, be it in a somewhat modified form?
I think it's ok to leave little hints here and there, you know, w/o giving away everything.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 17:50:46 ET
Posted by: bully, at

"Big Noise, New York" was a Donald Fagen and Marcelle Clemments collaboration. I think she was his girlfriend for a time.

http://www.harcourtbooks.com/images/may2003/Clements_150.jpg

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 17:22:35 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hoopsie!

Great to hear from you! Glad to hear you're doing better.

I don't know how I feel about this Fagen/Sager project. I get the idea that it's not an entire album, but just a track or two that they'll be collaborating on. One thing's for certain, if Donald's involved, it's gonna be great! It won't be coming out in 2003 if they're still writing, but it all boils down to more tours to promote it. Yip-Yip-Yippeee!

I was kinda hoping for a follow up to 11 TOW before another Fagen solo album, but it's all the same, I guess. Hopefully Walter's writing too. That kind of news would make me transcend my being with ecstacy!

I'm with you BR. I may not drink, but I'll crack the proverbial few to toast this. Gotta run guys. I'm gonna sit back, breathe, and enjoy the endorphin release.

ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

DF

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 17:14:07 ET
Posted by: Carole Bayer Sager, Turn on your Heartlight Now, Donaldm ';cos That's What Friends Are For

Here's one of my favorite Carole B-S Lyrics. Can't wait to hear Donald snarl through something like this.

Come back again
I want you to stay next time
Cause sometimes the world ain't kind
When people get lost like you and me

I just made a friend
A friend is someone you need
But now that he had to go away
I still feel the words that he might say

Turn on your heartlight
Let it shine wherever you go
Let it make a happy glow
For all the world to see
Turn on your heartlight

In the middle of a young boy's dream
Don't wake me up too soon
Gonna take a ride across the moon
You and me

He's lookin' for home
'Cause everyone needs a place
And home's the most excellent place of all
And I'll be right here if you should call me

 Turn on your heartlight
Let it shine wherever you go
Let it make a happy glow
For all the world to see

Turn on your heartlight
In the middle of a young boy's dream
Don't wake me up too soon
Gonna take a ride across the moon
You and me

And home's the most excellent place of all
And I'll be right here if you should call me
Turn on your heartlight

Let it shine wherever you go
Let it make a happy glow
For all the world to see
Turn on your heartlight
In the middle of a young boy's dream
Don't wake me up too soon
Gonna take a ride across the moon

You and me

Turn on your heartlight now
Turn on your heartlight now

======

Keep shinin' knowing you can count on me, Donald, that's fo' sho. 'Cos That's What Friends are fo'

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 17:03:18 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

I think that was one of my main points Jesse, is I know a lot of guys who idolize Miles or whoever and that's all they soak in. So, they end up sounding like Miles which is GREAT, but where is it really going to get you? I'm glad you soak in everyone, it will really help you find your voice. Plus, you really learn what you dig about certain players and what you don't dig, which is just as important to me. If you hear something you don't like about someone's style, you can use it to better yourself and actually use bad influence as a positive.

I play guitar, in fact I'm in Katy Lied, Chicago's only Steely Dan Revue, plus I play in 3 original projects. I listen to a lot of guitar players, but I also listen to tons of piano, horn players, and drummers for inspiration. If all I ever listened to was guitar players I would really be stuck in that idiom. Listening to horn players gives me more inspiration usually. If all I ever listened to was Jim Hall, well...you get the picture. One of my main inspirations is Miles. I am very influenced by Miles' tone more than anything. As guitarists, people get caught up in too many cliches such as too much vibrato, blues licks, etc. I love the way Miles really never Vibrato-ed and I take that approach to guitar with my solos, I don't cop his licks, but more his tone and approach. People I dig:

Jeff Beck, Miles, Bird, Diz, Jim Hall, Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, Bill Evans, Ted Greene, Lenny Breau, Jerry Reed, Eric Johnson Hendrix, Robben Ford, Metheny, Tony Williams, Allan Holdsworth (old), Mike Landau, John Scofield, and on and on and on......................

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 16:52:38 ET
Posted by: Since then,

OH NO Donald please say it isn't so!! You don't really need help from Carole Bayer Sager, do you? The Apocalypse is truly upon us...

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 16:32:52 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks everyone for the emails and calls. I was really ill with a really bad kind of flu last week and now on the upswing I find myself completely exhausted and lethargic, needing a lot of sleep.

To catch up on a few things as I might.

ß:
Good find on the link, I recall both Becker and Fagen themselves saying in interviews that they also had some solo projects in mind just after 2vN tour.

"hey"
How can you come on here as an anon, telling people to "set the record straight" and to "spill the beans?" HELLLOOOO! ? Tired of "everyone" moaning about Steely Dan's new releases in the past three years? I sure haven't (assuming you mean 2vN (and that's setting aside it's been more than three years since the last SD release.) And, yes, I listen to 2vN with the same high level of enthusiam and frequency as "The Royal Scam" or other ABC/MCA studio albums. That's not to say everyone feels that way—of course, some people prefer 2vN to "The Royal Scam."

YGK:
Thanks for the reminder about Jones Beach (where's Karen been, BTW?). I plan to be there at Jones Beach. Great venue, nice when the sailboats come to the edge of the place. Just hope it doesn't rain like the first Jones Beach show in 2000. I think it shall be a great warm-up for the Roseland shows and Danfest which, I think, is undeniably the site of my favorite SD shows and SD weekend ever, not counting of course some of those early NY Rock and Soul Revue shows which I missed. [Yes, I got IT. Will write more See opening ¶.]

O.:
Sorry no local shows I feel for you, although I gotta admit, I'm more excited about some of the shows I'm traveling 100s of miles to rather than the one at the United Center being held a few blocks from me.

all for now

jim

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 16:29:30 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Blaise - Oh great! My lifelong hero has decided to become the new Marvin Hamlisch??? It's time to start some early weekend drinking.

Mark in Boston

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 16:24:11 ET
Posted by: ange(l),

Blaizer, better then I could have hoped. What a scoop!
Definitely means it is coming sooner, rather then later.
It is probably the one that he has been recording (at times)in the Catskills.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 16:05:57 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Dennis, one more thing about this. I think it is bad to just learn one trumpet player's style. That why, while Miles is my absolute favourite, I'm still learning solos from Chet Baker, Fats Navarro, and Roy Eldridge. You should learn from other players, but it should be from the whole spectrum of the instrument, and that is how you will develop an original voice. Just curious, what do you play?

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 15:45:56 ET
Posted by: Blaise, told ya so

Fagen solo record to follow EMG:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87073,00.html

"Carole Bayer Sager -- the lyricist who has collaborated on hits like "Theme from Arthur," "Nobody Does it Better" and 'That's What Friends Are For' -- is writing songs with Donald Fagen of Steely Dan fame.

It takes a minute to absorb. But it's true. Carole -- who was often mistaken for Joan Collins by paparazzi at The Matrix Reloaded premiere in New York -- told me herself. The story goes that she and Carly Simon have been working together on some new songs for Carly's next album. Simon, of course, had a big hit with "Nobody Does it Better," which Sager wrote with Marvin Hamlisch.

"Carly said, 'You should meet my friend Libby. She's married to Donald Fagen.'" Libby is Libby Titus, who has children with Levon Helm of The Band. A few phone calls later, Carole was reeling in the years, helping Fagen write lyrics for a solo album. That album will follow the new Steely Dan record, called Everything Must Go, which comes out on June 10."

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 15:18:31 ET
Posted by: Lee,

DACW, a key point really is that even if you loved some of their works at their first listening, I am pretty sure that you understood them, knew them, and liked them infinitely better after a few hundred listenings, compared to after only 8 or 10 times. Thus, a critical part of my theme was that one should understand, know, and like EMG a lot less at first compared to later. Therefore, we should not compare the depths and intensity of an early affinity toward EMG with either an eventual long standing affinity toward EMG or an existing long standing affinity toward any of their earlier works. An early assessment of EMG is surely destined to come up short, to some degree, within almost any quick judgment scenario. So "withhold some judgment for at least a decent period" is my primary, simple message.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 15:06:10 ET
Posted by: hey,

ok
time to set the record straight
im tired of coming here and hearing everyone moan about every new dan song released in the last three years. The fact of the matter is, each record the Dan has made, has been the perfect embodiedment of that particular style/age/genre, whatever you wanna call it. From CBAT to TvN, its all good. TvN, contrary to popular belief (well at least from what im reading on this site) is an excellent record. Granted, it is very slick, but if your in that mood, its perfect, just like when your depressed, one would put Gaucho on. As fans, we should appreciate what we are recieving in the form of songs(especially at the level these guys create) and just enjoy it. Nothing last forever, instead of enjoying the sweet buildup to the followup to 2000's Grammy Winner (with, I might add, unprecedented PR) we're complaining.


by the way, someone spill the beans on what they know about EMG, just come clean and put these naysayers to rest.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 13:58:09 ET
Posted by: P-G E, Suede

Big Fan: http://www.ticketsnow.com/ What's this? Legalized stealing?!??! $600 for one ticket!!! Has anyone called the police??

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 12:36:56 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Home at last

Check out some of these scalper prices for seats to shows already:
http://www.ticketsnow.com/search/pubsearch.cfm?cfid=1021905&cftoken=2f48bab-255b5248-8e3c-4184-ad40-62fa072ec896&cfuser=82E492A7-1241-45BE-ABB0F2F62A835C7E&e=814&id=0&restart=yes

Amazon.com listings:
Cd+ DVD? June 10 20.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000096FTL/ref=cm_wl_ovu-pg.1-pos.3/104-6339134-2541542?v=glance&coliid=I3AWL0GEQMOZX4&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Import Bonus DVD? June 16 48.49
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000094TA7/ref=cm_wl_ovu-pg.1-pos.1/104-6339134-2541542?v=glance&coliid=I37HT9N00LXQO9&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

CD June 10 13.49
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000936MD/ref=pd_ap_rec_1/104-6339134-2541542?v=glance&s=music

Got my NH tickets - 14 rows back on floor, left side of stage. I'll be taking my 13 year old son to that one. Should be good seats.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 11:48:41 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Beer: Who's got the DVD-A of EMG for sale? - Besdies BuyDVD.com I haven't seen any re-sales in the states - can't find it on amazon.com (US) yet...

Lee: Gaucho, Kama, and 11ToW took a few listens, especially Kama and 11 ToW

Aja, Royal Scam, TvN, Nightfly were pretty much instantaneous for me...but then most simple music bores the sh*t out of me...

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 10:49:45 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

That's all I was saying is be diverse. I used to learn other peoples licks too and it helped me a lot, I think I made that clear.

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 10:43:29 ET
Posted by: Ajit, India

Is there anyway of getting the Blues Beach MP3 [coz they dont ship here]?

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 10:32:07 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home taking it real easy

I've heard what the ticket prices are for the CT shows. Oakdale is $104.50,$94.50,$84.50,$64.50 each. Mohegan Sun is $75,$65,and $50.

In CT scalping is illegal. However the promoter allows you to join a special club for a fee - used to be $100 to buy tickets ahead of time -before they go on sale to the piblic for any shows at the Meadows, Oakdale, Mohegan Sun and most Hartford Civic Center shows. These people find out and get tickets to shows first. What happens is the "ticket brokers" buy up a ton of tickets this way. The promoter gets lost of extra cash and buy the time Tickets.com gets going there are no "golden circle" tickets left for the public to buy.

Speaking of hot tickets: Orange County Register
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=39370§ion=SHOW&subsection=MUSIC&year=2003&month=5&day=16Well

Boulder Colorodo checks in with Red Rock:
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/concerts/article/0,1713,BDC_2467_1963322,00.html

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 09:48:18 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Just want to drop this on you all:

Oh YEAH!
If you didn't get the idea already,

LADY BAYSIDE is Hostessing a HUGE Bash for the Jones Beach Show. It's a Friday night, and there may be some extracurricular festivities post show.
If anyone is in or will be in the NYC Region 'round the Jones Beach show, make sure you log into the NYC Dandom list for all the details.

nyc@dandom.com

ygk

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 04:13:16 ET
Posted by: Beerberian, @work

www.play.com cheapest avail EMG £8.99 delivered to UK AND a day before the US release ....... NOW ALL WE NEED IS LEG 3 ...

DVDA of EMG Includes the video piece 'Steely Dan Confessions', discography,song lyrics, photo gallery, and production credits. avail on the 9th

Date: Fri, May 16, 2003, 01:37:20 ET
Posted by: Lee, Memory Lane....

I hope everybody remembers that when listening to new Steely Dan music, it takes at least 6 to 10 listenings before even halfway "getting it". That has been my experience with most, if not all, of their albums. Early on, I would think that the music sounded nice, but I also would think that it sounded somewhat non-descript. Then after 3 or 4 listenings, I would pick up a hook or two, and at about the tenth, I would finally perceive a reasonable facsimile of the overall song, at least to some limited degree. With regard to quite a few of their songs that I have disliked, sometimes it would take years for some of them to actually end up becoming favorites of mine. I often wondered why it takes so much longer to understand and appreciate a Steely Dan tune. I think it is because there are so many parts, a complex mixture, the combination of which is just a little too complex for the brain to quickly process. Some of those parts are quite simple, and some of them can only be described as sounds, little background parts or ambient mood setters that fit perfectly into the final overall composition. I really hope everyone thinks about this a little bit when the album comes out, and that you are fair to the guys by witholding judgement until more than just a handfull of listenings have transpired. I'll bet that there is not one Steely Dan favorite song of yours that you liked after a dozen listenings as much as you like any of them now after what would probably be, for most of us, more than a thousand listenings. You also will not like an EMG song after a dozen listenings as much as you like those SD songs that you have been listening to for years. Shouldn't that be expected? Shouldn't that be remembered during the period of time in which we are first discovering EMG? We won't even begin to be able to judge its quality, nor knowledgeably compare it to the other albums, for at least a month. If you initially judge it in a less than ideal light and then you convince yourself of the soundness of that non-stellar ranking, you may end up preventing your full enjoyment and appreciation of what might truly be a tremendous album.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 23:26:59 ET
Posted by: oleander, pouting

OK, just a moment of snit: Leg II has no North Carolina dates! Or even immediate vicinity! Shit. Atlanta, here we come, I guess.

End of snit.

LiveWire--very funny.

DF--the same happens to me with the lyrics even now.

Jive--Hey, SPECTACULAR pick-up of Baudelaire's "Paranymph"! The song makes complete sense to me now, and not in the Lizzie sense, or I don't think so anyway.

Actually, I loved what she said at the end. It's true.

Hank--Amen!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 21:59:53 ET
Posted by: chillin at the manatee bar, Butler, Pa

according to itunes I've listened to BB 45 times now..I really like the backup vocals and the drum line is excellent

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:37:49 ET
Posted by: DACW, blacked out on the tarmac

Oleander: Maybe it's "RAIF Mickey gets hungry..."



"moment they spun on the edge of history

Fell into animal times

Cause everone know that it's scary out there...

When you jump to the Wetside"

....with angel food healing, that gunk on the top...

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:30:40 ET
Posted by: Joey,

I LOVE Poco ..........................


Shiver ...........................

JOEY !

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:28:51 ET
Posted by: DACW,

there's a critical line that included "...the edge of history" in "Wetside Story" from the '96 tour...

Throw back the little ones...

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:23:09 ET
Posted by: psst, get a clue

"Apocolypse"? Never heard of it.
Is that what happened to people who listened to their Poco records a little too much, way back when? Whatever...

Hey pal. That's about 2 cents worth, I'll say. Thanks anyway. We're getting somewhere, albeit slowly.
What song is that from? Godwhacker?

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:08:08 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

One more thing, an example of this is Dexter Gordon. Listen to mid 40's recordings of Dexter Gordon, and his playing is pretty much a copy of Lester Young. Over the next ten or fifteen years or so, you can gradually hear his sound incorporate Coleman Hawkins, and even Charlie Parker as influences, and by the early 60's, he had his own voice, which is still very influential.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:05:53 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Dennis, of course I'm open to playing more than just standards. I see the same people in my city who make very little money playing for people who aren't listening. I love fusion, soul, r&b, latin (although I don't know if I'll ever have the chops to be a latin trumpet player), etc. I am a versatile guy, but I am studying jazz because a) it's my favourite style to play, and b) it's the most technically demanding. Once I am a good jazz player, those other styles will come easy to me; and to be a good jazz player, one must study the tradition. Even though I don't want to play 20's style traditional jazz, I am still going to learn every solo from the 4 disc Louis Armstrong Hot 5's and Hot 7's box set. I will also learn solos from Roy Eldridge, and Sweets Edison. It's ignorant to say that if I just copy other people's licks, that I won't get my own voice. Like I said in an earlier post, Charlie Parker learned every single Lester Young solo note for note. I dare anyone to say that he didn't have an original voice. I am going to learn the playing of many different styles of trumpet players, eg, Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Clifford Brown, Freddie Hubbard, and Woody Shaw, and that pool of influences is what is going to help me get my own voice. It's how literelly every other jazz trumpet player has done it.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 18:04:44 ET
Posted by: my .02, my .02

The back up singers do sing "...at the start of the end of history" on the chorus but I haven't heard the ODP streams cause I don't have a sound card here--I'll have to check it out later. Also nice Elmer Fudd reference "be very very quiet..." like on Girlfriend.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 17:59:21 ET
Posted by: Little Buckeroo,

Hey pssst, wake up and get over yourself! Who hasn't mentioned or thought about the apocolypse given the events of the last couple of years? Putz!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 17:29:38 ET
Posted by: ,

"As we stand at the start of the end of history, would it not be wonderful if Donald and Walter decided, "Hey fuck it. We have enough money to whack god. We played the game.""

What is that? Who wrote that then? Some "Balter Wecker" dude, says here. It echoes what the British interviewer quoted, so it's part of it. Don't fuck with my head now.
Just quote the lyrics a little anyway, the verse it's in or whatever. You're supposed to have the record right? Or do you really have it?

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 17:19:59 ET
Posted by: my .02, my .02

psst: what are you talking about?

in any case i hope you die a happy chap.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 16:39:00 ET
Posted by: angel , (Reward for Aja Master- - - $600, no questions asked

Audio streams on the ODP are enlightening.

The Last Mall is missing the final note of the standard Blues ending.

The album is happy in tone, because Donald and Walter couldn't grind the band down (into consecrated mud).

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 16:31:51 ET
Posted by: psst, over here

Are you the one that talked about the "end of History" theme on the album at one point? The interviewer in those ODP streams used the same exact formulation when asking a question about EMG.
I'd like to know the context of it all and that's it. I don't want to know anything else for now.
C'mon, spill it.
Just curious here, 'cause they might have been inspired by my rants on the subject a while back, around the time the album was written actually.
I'd like to know so I can finally die a happy chap.
Oh and to rub it in their faces over there wouldn't be bad either.
mwaha
Thanks in advance.
Just quote the lyrics a little. I'm not asking for much here.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 16:20:41 ET
Posted by: my .02, blah

the good news is that EMG has some tunes that are reminiscent of classic dan: godwhacker could easily be be a royal scam tune (think kid c & green earrings), & emg, the title track that timelessly beats ass, would have fit well on aja, IMO. becker's tune is kind of funny and would have fit...on becker's record. IMO emg is better than 2VN.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 16:11:34 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At Sun's Shinning

Thought I'd gotten too much sun today. I'm color blind - blue looks just like yellow.

No drugs, but I seem to remember that the Oakdale has some of the most expensive beers on the planet.

I'm willing to admit that perhaps I haven't had the best seats or seen the best acts at the Oakdale. It only holds 5000 - I checked - very small for a SD show.

I've never been able to get any closer to the stage than the front row of the second section. I've never sat down low because of the Jimmy Koplick legalized scalping that he and Tickets.com do. Best show I've seen there was Sheryl Crow - perhaps not the best sounding act, but I felt from where I was sitting the sound was avearge at best.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 15:00:39 ET
Posted by: Tinky Winky, Dipsy

Kinky's getting soft.
He's slinky now.

If you got the album, then rip it and share it, you ball-less fuck.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 14:53:36 ET
Posted by: Clas & Work, http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops

Slinky - Uhhh, add HUMAN drums?

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 14:38:01 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Yummping for Yoy

DF- Come on, you didn't know it was highway man and cobalt? I'm disturbed beyond comprehension. And you stumped the Fogel too..
study study study

RE: Confessions Part Duex: I haven't laughed that hard since I was a little girl! I would find it hard to believe if they didn't hire her for that part, nobody is really like that....are they? Donalds faces at the end are priceless.

Does anyone know anything about Shelby Farms in Memphis?? Looks very tempting.....Matt, that's your neck of the woods, any info?


KC

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:50:12 ET
Posted by: Slinky,

C&W - You ignorant slut. Let me get a hold of the multitracks for the 2vn songs and others recorded for that album and let me remix and add human(?) drums to the fuckers and you''ll hear a masterpiece.

If you wanna stay in your little hidey hole with "wondering " go ahead! God, can't D&W do some changing? Beach may not be your ideal of what SD is all about but it is one hell of a Lovin'
Spoonful tune for the summer, and you will get your fill of
Dan classics on EmG. And yes I am listening to it with a fever as with Gaucho.

If your pea brain can think at all. think of the brilliant tunes that have surfaced since the 90's return of our dynamic duo, and imagine your sorry life with out them. I can't.

I can't imagine your sorry life either!



Yours.
Slinkmeister- who speaks for the majority

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:49:20 ET
Posted by: Cray Fish, Sweden

Clas - We all wish you'd be gone!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:35:48 ET
Posted by: SpellCzech,

sorry:

Stax snare

TvN

Janie

Speed

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:35:10 ET
Posted by: C @ W,

Slinky - "us"? Speak for your self. I agree with Just Wondering. There is no doubt that Steely Dan is putting out great music this time too, but, as Just Wondering said; 2AN, who's listening to it with the same fever as you once listened to Royal Scam or Gaucho?

And for Blues Beach and The Last Mall, good music, but the magic is gone.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:34:39 ET
Posted by: Emory Michael Georgeson,

I've made up some lyrics to what I think the song EMG will sound like. Does anyone want to add more?

EM

It’s high time for a walk on the real side
Lets admit the bastards beat us
I move to dissolve the corporation
In a pool of margaritas
Well we’re going out of business
Everything must go

I could use a new blender
With five speeds and a straw
Glad we got one on sale
This is gonna be a ripper bender
No reasonable offer will be refused
Everything must Go

©Emory Michael Georgeson

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:30:19 ET
Posted by: DACW,

While it's interesting to hear development of some songs like Brooklyn and Don't Let Me In, Mock Turtle, and my fave Come Back Baby are snappy, I find the early demos worth one or two listens at most...remarkably uninteresting...that's one of the things that makes the transition to CBAT uniquely astonishing...

As far as TvN, either you get it or you don't. There's a lot more cool jazz roots (ex. outtro to Galighting Abbie or title track horns) and 50s TV jingles, where as Katy to Gaucho were really more LA jazz (50s and 60s type - derivative (read good) of the NY cool jazz of the 40s and 50s...The funk/R&B is kind of Stax rhythm section roots...Everything is written or layed out more like Ellington with complex interaction of muliptle voices among the instruments...in parallel kind of neural net for gearhead types...

In contrast, the 70s albums were far more linear (or in series) in themes and harmonies with accompanyment...great performances and ear candy dominated...

...so you're right in the TcN is not your father's Steely Dan, quite different in structure and intent from Steely Dan I...except for the Sax snare, far more complex as a unit...I love Gsslighting Abbie (on Plush), WASAM, the title track, especially the intro - just think it's a verse too long), Janei Runaway and especially Almost Gothic, Negative Girl, and West of Hollywood which IMHO are masterpieces. The 2 songs that don't fit are Cousin Dupree which sounds like a Tom Johnston Doobie outake with a really weird whislte, keyboard and guitar solo...and Jack of Spped which sounds like they took everything from Steely Dan I and hit "merge" or put it in a ProTools blender...that's why a lot of classic Dan fans like JoS the best from TvN because there are traces of old Steely Dan all over it...

...but then it was amazing how many "critics" remarked the TvN picked up right where Gaucho left off...I gues it's that Steely Dan is so different than anything else around, the unsculpted just hear it that way...

EMG so far seems to converge a lot of different styles (it may be their most varied album since KL or PL or CTE - great live sound and groove - joyous almost...seems less complex in mulivoiced structure than many of the TvN songs, but then I've/we've heard just 2 complete songs and snippets from 2 others via Confessions - there may be a lot of surprises left in the bag...but in the end I believe there will be plenty to please both myself and the classic DanFan...

...but then I love Gaucho - sure Wendel should be remixed out for real drummers on Glamour Profession (yeah I know it's supposed to be disco), My Rival, Hey 19, and Purdies original untouched shuffle for Babylon Sisters...but the drum tracks for Gaucho (especially_, TWM, and TOOM are untouchable...but to my way of hearing, it's a Dan Broadway play of LA sleeze/phoniness with different vignettes...the darkenss under the sheen, glare, and have a nice day of LA...sophisticated pop song structures...

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:16:58 ET
Posted by: mennis Diller,

Any major duffous - Hey I play drums in a country metal band. You got a problem with that ya flag burning-liberal-buttlover?!

MD

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:07:28 ET
Posted by: slinky,

Big fan - You been smoking those cobalt cigarettes? When is a small venue bad to see dan in? Where do you listen to shows at oakdale - in the parking lot? The sound is great there. You could object to going there because it is owned by the evil empire - that I'd understand!

just wondering - Man, are you going to hate EMG. The old rich leeches are at it again! It is a great album. But you just won't get it. Stick with you old Styx 8-tracks and memories of whacking off to your Farrah Fawcett poster in junior college, and don't waste our time with your boring bullshit!

Slinky - what are you thinking wasting your precious time schooling the dweebs here instead of listening to EMG for the 39th time?

Slinky - Well, there may be some hope for them yet - they do profess to be Dan fans - after all!

Farah Fawcett - You're nutz. Get back on your meds!

Vanilla shakes for everyone!

-Slinker

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:03:33 ET
Posted by: Cyber Queen, the Last Mall

Just wondering: You'll stop wondering come June 10th. This record will be right up there with all of the great sd work of the 70's. Count on it!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 13:02:38 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

I strongly agree with you Any Major Dude. I have definitely formed my style from an amalgamation of many of my favorite players, there's no way around it unless you don't listen to music at all.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:39:07 ET
Posted by: just wondering too, lkjas

just:

i too have thought this, as i'm sure many of us have, especially after 2VN. i love 2VN but not for the same reasons i love their earlier work, which i still listen to a lot more than 2VN. i'm sure it's something that any artist with a 30 year career must deal with: moving to new material without losing the aspects of the earlier stuff that was great. maybe you are right that the situations in d&w's lives were more conducive to a certain vibe back then, and what they are drawing from now is different. that makes sense. i quit being disappointed with 2VN & EMG when i quit judging it based on what i expect from them, which is based on the old stuff. listening to 3rd world man right now and diggin it.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:29:37 ET
Posted by: DF,

DJ

Even though it was a character of the same name in a Burroughs novel, Lonny was a real person. He was Donald's roomate in college.
Ironically, it was Lonny who read Burroughs "Naked Lunch" aloud to Donald while he was working to make extra money.

Although he is no longer with us, (Donald said he died in or about 2000) he made a huge contribution to the world of Steely Dan if only by way of reading that book to him. Imagine if it were some other work instead like Toni Morrison's "Sula" or Bertolt Brecht's "The Good Woman of Setzuan." Steely Dan could have been named (dramatic pause) . . . Shui-ta

The horror!!!!!

DF

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:23:48 ET
Posted by: just wondering ,

Like many others who regularly read this message board, I've been listening to "Blues Beach" and "Last Mall" a lot lately and contemplating the oft-encountered comment that these two new songs, along with the 2vN release three years ago, somehow don't have the impact that, say, "Aja" or any of the Dan's earlier albums had.

It would seem that a lot of hardcore Dan fans were disappointed in 2vN after waiting for 20 years for a new Dan (as opposed to a Becker or Fagen) release. I certainly was, and honestly, to this day I don't play it very often. But I also don't play "Gaucho" that often either. More and more, I feel that Steely Dan is about zeitgeist...capturing a certain moment in time. Listen, for instance, to some of the early '70s demos..."Don't Let Me In," "Brain Tap Shuffle," etc. As crudely performed as these songs may be, many of them seem to perfectly embody the spirit of 1970 or 1971 when they were recorded. As one goes down the line and listens to CBAT, CTE, PL, etc., the mood grows darker, as befits the changing times and loss of innocence during the transition from relatively optimistic early '70s to the lowered expectations of 1980. By the time of "Gaucho"'s release the boys appear to have almost given up on reflecting "reality" and have settled for the Cuervo Gold and the fine Colombian, the comfy chair and the expensive audio gear. It's a long way from Brooklyn to Malibu, and from 1970 to 1980, and you can hear it in the music.

By 2000 Becker and Fagen had been off the street for an additional 20 years. Little wonder, then, that 2vN is largely devoted to songs like "Janie Runaway," "Negative Girl," and "Almost Gothic." And while these songs are all accurate portraits of various aspects of older guy/younger woman relationships (and probably reflect situations Becker and/or Fagen may have found themselves in during the period in question), they also lack the depth of much of the earlier material. When the narrator in "Deacon Blues" sings "they've got a name for the winners in the world/I want a name when I lose," his message is universal. On the other hand, the middle-aged lechers on 2vN have long ago stopped understanding the need for a "name when they lose". They have lost touch with the Brooklyn "charmer under me", with "Charlie Freak", even with the "Broadway duchess" of "I Got the News." Now they've become jaded bores...and jaded bores, no matter how kinky, are basically boring. Middle-aged lechers are losers, definitely; but it's hard to feel any sympathy for them. Have Becker and Fagen gone from their early '70s street-corner radicalism to "millennial" feeble apologetics for wealthy jerks who can't find love? In the process, were they maybe making some point about the relativity of loserdom? Are they amused by the dichotomy between these two extremes? I won't speculate about Becker and/or Fagen's intentions as songwriters -- whether they ever came to the realization that as their own lives have changed, their songwriting has also undergone a parallel shift. But it will be interesting to hear the other songs on "Everything Must Go" and gain a better idea of whether they "got the bear" or the "bear got them". I suspect there will be, as always, some wonderfully catchy hooks, impeccable performances, witty lyrics...but I'm not holding my breath that this will be as good a release as anything before. The times have changed, and, I suspect, so have Becker and Fagen.

Sorry for the length of this post...if you find it tedious, just scroll on by. But I think a lot of people who post here are thinking about this same question. Maybe someone else can express it more succinctly.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:20:06 ET
Posted by: Thelonious, Mondo, Montana

Roseland, Lizzie, Rolfe, Great new tour dates, interviews...

The SD Media Juggernaut 2003 continues and it just keeps getting better.

It's great to have the good stuff again. Thanks boys!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:17:18 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Two nights at Roseland. Wow! Does this mean two nights of pre and post show parties at Le Bar Bat? This is going to be awesome! Mr.Pete, what do you say?

Mme- Are you flying in? I'll buy you a drink.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 12:05:29 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey Everybody

It was really amusing to hear Lizzie sabotage D&W's lyrics. "Have you had enough to please?" "Finding your way." Huh?

But her dizzy blunders were enough to make me wonder how well I know them. I spent a couple of hours last night and carefully read every lyric to every album. Much to my chagrin, I learned that I don't know them as well as I thought I did.

For example, in King of the World, I've always thought Donald sang, "I can't be no savage/I can't be no *hardwareman*" and "smoking *coke or* cigarettes.

Oh you want the correct lyric? You don't think I'm gonna write them here do you? Visit:

"http://www.steelydan.com/lyricsalpha.html

and test your knowledge of Steely Dan lyrics. You might be surprised.
Lizzie may know them better than you do.

DF

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 11:38:58 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At Home

Took a day off to go fishing today - got up at 4:30 AM to see an email from SD in my inbox - who would believe they are playing Oakdale. I've seen many concerts there - nice place, but small and accustically inferior. Although I'll still try and go - less than 8000 seats - got to be over $120 for a ticket. What will the Rosedale shows go for?

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 11:31:28 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

Dennis,

I wasn't commenting on your playing or dedication to music at all. I agree with your main point about finding your own voice--that applies to every style of music and form of expression, for that matter.

What I disagree with is anything that discourages someone from digging deep in to the theory and people of jazz. Spending years understanding someone else's voice, like Wayne Shorter's, can lead to your own voice. It not like you could ever cop his style enough to not have your own voice anyway, even if you could play all his shit.

I just think there should never be a "but.." when someone's talking about studying jazz--it's ALWAYS good.

Here in Chicago we have one of the best places anywhere to study the aesthetics (and not the athletics) of jazz: Bloom School of Jazz.

I play the drums and I'd love to get with you and play standards or any other style except country or metal.

Dude

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 11:10:42 ET
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, Deep Distress

Chris - try not to be too distressed about Walter's mode of coffee intake through a straw. Hot coffee seems to cool a little faster when it's taken that way. Better to have a half an ounce of boiling liquid on your tongue than a mouthful of the stuff.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 11:10:06 ET
Posted by: Peg, ceiling

Oh my God...Roseland on MY BIRTHDAY!!!! What a present. OOOOO. I am ecstatic.......!!!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 10:53:25 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Any Major Dude,

Any time you want to sit down and play some standards let me know, dude. You don't know me. You don't know my level of dedication to music. What instrument do you play AMD?

Dennis

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 10:49:44 ET
Posted by: chris, RI

Why does Walter drink his coffee through a straw? This really bothers me.

C

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 10:43:43 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

I still listen to the masters and am still learning, studying, and enjoying the tradition of jazz. I don't know what you mean about my "taking the easy way out". I study every day, Jazz, Blues, Rock, Latin etc. Keep studying jazz, practice hard and enjoy the fuck out of it! BUT: Miles had his own sound, Bird had his own sound, Louis, Bill Evans, Monk, all had their own sounds. Not everyone can be a virtuoso in jazz, but find your TONE! Instead of copying one persons licks, learn and listen to everything. My main point here is if you have talent, don't pidgeonhole yourself into playing one style. That's all I meant by "jazz snobs". Shit, I have quite a few friends who refuse to play anything but jazz, they play all the standards, and they are stuck playing dinner gigs, coffe houses etc. for $25.00 a gig and they're not doing anything original. USE your talents to play all different kinds of music, WRITE your OWN music, get in a band where you can use what you've learned about composition, BE yourself. You'll be happier for it. JMO ICBW

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 10:18:21 ET
Posted by: DACW,

"and a big tropical cooler" I think

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 09:53:11 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

So, I picked up William S. Burroughs book "Junky" seeking some sort of Steely Dan reference. Sure enough on page 76 enter Lonny, a drug addicted pimp with a big penis, who later becomes "the man" in regards to getting H in New Orleans. And, right before Lonny shows up Dupre' shows up he was a dealer in a gambling joint before he was caught stealing. Well, we already knew he worked a lot of odd jobs and Lonny was indeed the kingpin. Hell, I was half expecting Janie Runaway to jump off the page.

What is Donald talking about at the very end of Blues Beach "a big prop open cooler?"

Havin' ourselves a ball,
dj

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 09:08:49 ET
Posted by: DACW, 6 degrees of Dan

Yes, Maynard became a shadow of the man that we once knew (and so did Dizzie for that matter), but once Maynard mastered the stratosphere on Stan Kenton's classic Hi Fi. Years later Peter Erskine got his start with Stan Kenton's band before moving to...yes, Weather Report, and later of course played for Walter as producer on 3 envelope pushing recordings on Michael Franks' Blue Pacific before touring with... you guessed it Steely Dan in 1993...

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 02:43:31 ET
Posted by: suedave, wired on SD

It doesn't stop of new tour dates but new interviews! Check out the promos!!!

I've watched the Lizzie segment at least a dozen times, it is still a hoot!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 02:07:36 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

SHIT, for 2 reasons. 1) I haven't received this e-mail yet, and 2) although I am ecstatic that they are coming to Toronto at all, I was sort of hoping for a miracle that they would come back. I hope the long weekend for Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur coincides with Roseland. If so, I'm there!

From Jesse

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 02:02:37 ET
Posted by: Andy, Check yer e-mail

9/10 Wallingford, CT (Oakdale Music Theatre)
9/12 New York, NY (Roseland)
9/13 New York, NY (Roseland)
9/16 Tampa, FL (Sundome)
9/17 West Palm Beach, FL (MARS Music Ampitheatre)
9/19 Atlanta, GA (Hi-Fi Buys Ampitheatre)
9/20 Memphis, TN (Shelby Farms)
9/21 Dallas, TX (Smirnoff Music Centre)
9/23 Albuquerque, NM (Sandia Casino)
9/24 Phoenix, AZ
9/26 San Diego, CA (Coors Ampitheatre)
9/27 Las Vegas, NV (Mandalay Bay)
9/28 Santa Barbara, CA (County Bowl)
10/1 Los Angeles CA (Universal Ampitheater)
10/2 Los Angeles, CA (Universal Ampitheatre)
10/4 Concord, CA (Chronicle Pavilion)

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 01:58:41 ET
Posted by: OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!
STEELY DAN IS PLAYING ROSELAND 2 NIGHTS IN SEPTEMBER!!!!!!!

I'M THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


p.s. FUCK JONES BEACH!!!!!

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 01:09:25 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I'll bet I'm the only one on this forum who spoke to one of his heroes tonight (not that I'm bragging or anything). There's going to be a HUGE concert tomorrow night at Massey Hall in Toronto. One of the definitive bebop records to get is called "The Quintet-Jazz At Massey Hall". The quintet was Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Bud Powell, Charles Mingus, and Max Roach, and the record was recorded 50 years ago tomorrow (May 15, 1953). As a sort of celebration, but not recreation of that concert, there is going to be an all-star band paying tribute to that record tomorrow night. The band is: Kenny Garrett on alto, Roy Hargrove on trumpet, Roy Haynes on drums, Dave Holland on bass, and HERBIE HANCOCK on piano. Tonight, there was a sort of preamble to tomorrow's show. It consisted of two panels of people that talked about the legendary concert, including the guys who promoted the concert, a member of the big band that opened the show, and a guy who has written an entire book about that concert. After the panels, there was a live interview/press conference with Roy Hargrove, Dave Holland, and Herbie Hancock. It was very interesting hearing them talk about bebop and their heroes. Anyway, after the interview, Herbie was signing autographs, and I sort of mingled my way over to him, and just started talking to him, and what a thrill it was. He's really a nice guy, and he's (along with Chick Corea) my favourite living musician. I'm like a kid on Christmas Eve right now waiting for this show that I know is going to be incredible. I have been told that Verve is going to release a record of the show, so in 50 years, I'll be telling young hot-headed jazz nerds that I sat in the audience at Massey Hall on May 15, 2003.

Date: Thurs, May 15, 2003, 00:59:44 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

DACW, don't stop at Miles. Wayne was musical director of Art Blakey's Jazz Messangers in what many agree to be their golden years (59 to 64), sharing the bandstand with some future jazz legends including Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, Curtis Fuller, etc.). There are some outstanding Blakey records with Wayne, such as "A Night In Tunisia". "Paris Jam Session" has Bud Powell sitting in on two tunes, and needless to say, it's a thrilling listen. You can go even further back than that, when Wayne was in Maynard Ferguson's Orchestra, except I think Maynard is bullshit, and I'm sure Wayne doesn't put that high on the list of great bands he's played with. Also, Wayne's own records from that era are pretty good too (particularly "Wayning Moments"). You can hear him before he found his voice, and it's really interesting.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 23:41:09 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Jive: What do you like better - Song for My Mother or Siren? This guy has SOUL...I've been checking him out sinceJesse's mention and I vaguely remember his name from a press release... I'm impressed... Potter's incredible, but Weiskopf has a tremendous sense of spacing. The pauses during the intro to EMG (based or Rita's clip) are just right creating a cool countergroove...classic...I bet Aja turned a lot of people at the time onto Shorter and thus Weather Report, and I bet back to Miles...in the heart of Texas, I probably never would have been fortunate enough to ever hear Walt Weiskopf if not for the taste of SD...

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 23:06:50 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - Groovin' to Walt Weiskopf

Hey, if you get a chance, pick up Walt Weiskopf's Siren CD. Plays with a nonet that includes

Anders Bostrom - flute, alto flute
Jim Snidero - alto sax, flute
Scott Anderson - baritone sax, bass clarinet
Joe Magnarelli - trumpet, flugelhorn
Conrad Herwig - trombone
Joel Weiskopf (brother) - piano
Doug Weiss - bass
Billy Drummond - drums

And, of course, Walt on tenor. Walt and Joel wrote several of the cuts.

Superb cd. Very lush, in the Trane, Miles, Oliver Nelson tradition. Walt is unquestionably a Coltrane/Shorter disciple. After hearing just a few bars from Walt on the title cut of EMG, I had to check him out. I hope he's all over the new one. Wonder if he'll be touring.

Word around NYC circles is that this guy is highly respected and sought after. Chris Potter's great, but Walt has much more of a traditional 50's / 60's be-bop feel, a little more swanky.

EMG's gonna be great.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 18:37:48 ET
Posted by: Champion In Their Eyes, Texas

Does anyone have the link for segment 3 ?
Thanks

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 18:12:57 ET
Posted by: any major dude, chicago

Dennis,

You sound like someone who delved in to the masters (Louis, Bird, Trane, Miles, Wes, Dexter, Elvin), got frustrated, and took the easy way out.

How can you find your own jazz voice without obsessing over its creators and details? As much as jazz IS a way of thinking, feeling, and playing, it is also a history and a loosely defined style, mostly by what it is not.

Those jazz snobs you refer to probably love straight ahead jazz more than anything else. Straight ahead jazz is hard to grasp in theory and practice, and even harder to find your voice in and add something new to. What sets it apart from every other Western style of music is the steep learning curve and the fanatical tradition of playing, honoring, and owning the "standards".

Ahmad Jamal's take on Caravan, for example, is not a "cover"--he's made that tune as well as many other classics his own.

Plus we live in an era where real jazz is hard to experience in person, and expensive, even in a historically jazz town like Chicago. Many high schools do not even teach jazz anymore so you almost have to seek out teachers at things like band camps.

Jesse: I say ANY chance you have to hang with cats of that caliber is well worth it, and especially to discuss the history, pedagogy, theory, and anything else about real jazz.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 17:47:58 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

I'm outta here guys, I'll comment tomorrow. Good discussion.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 17:14:18 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Dennis, what you think reflects a common problem among today's young jazz players. Cats think that if they aren't being innovative, then they shouldn't be making music. I think Branford Marsalis said it best: Musicians should be great first, and innovative second. Too many people are trying to push the envelope without learning how to play music. If you look at the music's greatest innovators: Charlie Parker, Ornette Coleman, etc., they common trait that they all have is that they learned the tradition. Charlie Parker wore out all of his Count Basie records because he learned every Lester Young solo. Ornette Coleman would warm up by playing Bird tunes at twice the tempo (Whoa!). By having these influences down, that is how they were able to come up with their own voice. This method is common in other fields as well. Physicists always know the foundations of what they're doing before they can come up with any new theories. Same with architecture, and even basketball. One reason why Kobe Bryant is so incredible is because he spends his free time studying tapes of Dr J, and other masters.

One thing that I do agree with is that this school will not make me a great jazz player. There are plenty of people who come out of Stanford, Berklee, Julliard, who can't play for shit. Also, Bird, Miles, Trane, and literally all of the masters learned their craft with no help from jazz pedagogy, as it simply didn't exist back then. HOWEVER, these schools certainly cannot hurt me. Stanford (and Humber College, which I will begin attending this fall!!) will give me the knowledge I need so that I can develop my own voice, but that will all happen after I have at least a firm understanding of the tradition.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 17:11:06 ET
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

While I agree with Dennis overall, I would say that being influenced by certain players is part of the process of findig your own sound. I think every great player probably went through a time of influence by another player. Herbie and Keith Jarrett were influenced by Bill Evans. Leibman and Brecker by Coltrane. The list goes on. But Dennis is 100% correct when he says that you need to, eventually, find your own voice.

What I think you will learn the most from is just watching and hearing these cats play.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 17:02:00 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Jesse, what Louie is saying is that jazz isn't really something you get out of a book or at some school. I'm not dissing what you are doing, I think it's great. But, too many people get caught up in learning other people's styles, playing standards and they turn into jazz snobs (i like to call them). Just because they are playing music that's already been written by dead people they think they are jazzers, or brilliant. It's been done. Glorified cover bands. Don't get hung up, be creative, open minded to all kinds of music (sounds like you are) and try to find YOUR voice on the instrument.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 16:25:15 ET
Posted by: .,

Hey DB,

You mean to say that Donald quoted an entire scene from the movie Goodfellas. Wow, D&W can act too!

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 16:12:37 ET
Posted by: db,

Text only version of TCC episode III

''Lizzie "You're really funny.....you're really funny."

Walt "What do you mean I'm funny?"

Lizzie: "You're funny..ya know...the story, it's funny, you're are funny guys."

Walt: "What do mean, you mean the way we talk?"

Lizzie: "It's just...ya know...it's just funny...it's...ya know the way you too tell a story and everything."

Tommy: "Funny how? I mean what's funny about it?"

Donald: "Lizzie, no you got it all wrong."

Walt: "Ohh wooa Donaldy,she's a big girl she knows what she said, what did ya say? Funny how?"

Donald: "It's..."

Walt: "What?"

Lizzie: "Just...ya know, your're you're funny."

Donald: "Let me understand this cause, I don't know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, like I'm a clown I amuse you. I make you laugh...I'm here to fuckin' amuse you. What do you mean funny how? How am I funny?"

Lizzie: "Just...you know how to tell the story, what?"

Donald: "No no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know, you said I'm funny. How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny about me, tell me, tell me what's funny?"

Walt: ''reeling in the sheaves'' now that was fucking funny !!!! ''

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 16:09:46 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Hey LiveWire

Thanks for the laugh. I REALLY NEEDED THAT!

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 15:58:59 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Dennis, I'm sorry, but if I have to ask what? Phil Woods? Brooding? I ask so many things.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 15:49:35 ET
Posted by: LiveWire, Can't resist

All rise for the closing hymn...

"And on that mornin', that gospel mornin',
we shall come rejoicing reeling in the sheaves!"

AMEN! ;-)

These taxi vignettes make me want to see an affectionate Christopher Guest-style send-up of the loyal Dandom. It could be titled, "Don and Walt, If You're Reading This..."

While it's exciting to hear snippets of EMG on the promos, I keep waiting to hear "Show Biz Kids making movies of themselves..."

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 15:34:30 ET
Posted by: Scott Iwen, MN

Hoops, et al:

A pre-sale for the St. Paul concert was announced today :

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/060036A79C923287?brand=&artistid=736195&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

Anyone interested in a gathering?

Scott Iwen

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 15:24:50 ET
Posted by: Dennis, Chicago

Jesse:

Someone, I think it was Louis Armstrong said: "If you have to ask, you'll never know."

Jimi Hendrix Experience bass player Noel Redding is dead at 57, bummer.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 13:40:55 ET
Posted by: angel,

Hey Ed. Got my tickets to Universal. I go with LP, can I get a drink now.... Sheesh, you have 1:30 to fill out this page, you have :15 to fill out that one. I lost the first set of tickets, too. Sigh. See you there.
Not going to do the Orange County date, just Paso Robles and Universal.

Reeling in the sheeves and off to work now....

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 13:28:21 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @universalstudios

Hi,
Universal Amphitheater tickets on internet presale and no password required.
Orchestra PIT seats not available at this time

Costa Mesa seats go on sale Saturday May 18th 10:00 pacific time

see ya at the fair

Ed

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 13:14:14 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Jesse: Yeah, I was playing flag football there once and ran over the trombone section...

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 12:19:19 ET
Posted by: Mitch,

Jesse,

Congrats! I'll be very interested in what they teach you there.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 12:12:42 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I am happy to announce that I will be attending Stanford Jazz Camp for a week in early August. The faculty reads like an all-star band. Just a few of the cats I will be learning directly from are PHIL WOODS, BRANFORD MARSALIS, JEFF 'TAIN' WATTS, HAROLD MABERN, and GERI ALLEN!!! I am very excited, and you know I'm going to ask Phil Woods about his playing on "Doctor Wu".

Anyone else ever done or heard about this camp? Have you heard good or bad things?

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 12:10:08 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Mitch, no diss to Jimmy Smith, but have you heard either Larry Young's "Unity", or Tony Williams' "Emergency"? Those records are why I have no preference of Jimmy Smith to Larry Young, as they are completely different styles, and it would be like saying I had a preference of Keith Jarrett to Oscar Peterson.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 11:58:25 ET
Posted by: DACW, spoke to your condition

Mitch: You have a great point...

If I hailed a taxi and slipped between them and opened my mouth it might come out something like Beavis and Butthead:

"oh wow, uhhh huuuuhhh eeehhuuhh Steely Dan...Donald Becker and Walter Fagen...unnhhuuuhhuuhh....coool...he said "dildo"..uh huuhhh huuh....cool....[dead air]...

Y'know Lizzie is quite appealing in a Yogi Berette sorta way....blond flowing hair, energetic, good bone structure, ditzy...quite drunk (where the hell do you get the lyrics from!)...but I can hear some Pretzel Logic in there..."You should have been better to me in college"

She's a perfect foil - Donald and Walter have something between a Car Talk schtick and Lolita and a teasing professor thing going on..."we can do a drive thru..." Donald really gets the coed rap thing going...

note: Walter's body language before the "Sheaves" line - he has his arm "almost" around her for a while...I love the reaction to the Raif/Ralph - he was such a liar...ooohhh goddd

in didn't make sense, but it made sense...there's something semi-profound....ummmmmmmhmmmmmm

love the nod by Walter "but when I heard it with the music, I got it"

I was waiting for Rita to do a spit/nose take with her coffee...


Howard: Yeah, I like it...sort of an uptown baby TransIsland Skyway sorta thing...IS it Godwhacker, Pixeleen?? Still can't beat that sax intro to EMG though...that's as good as anything I've ever heard from these guys!


"It's really not my place to analyze this music, we have other people doing it"

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 11:35:37 ET
Posted by: clue 2,

of COURSE he has a crush on her- that's part of why the arm is held away from physical contact

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 11:23:28 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Mme- No comment.

Clue- I don't know...it looks to me as though Walt has a crush on her.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 11:09:56 ET
Posted by: clue, .

walt is sitting that way so his shoulder won't have to touch hers. (body blocked, remember)

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 11:04:29 ET
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, not in the cab

That was great!! Thanks for posting the link.

I couldn't believe Walter's expression when she says "Reelin' in the sheaves". It's a look of pure and honest incredulity, he looks as if he's just about to laugh so hard that his coffee or milkshake or whatever it is would spurt out his nostrils.

I love women like that, who REALLY don't get it when they're being ridiculed. (go ahead, Shaun, take a shot=)

Don even offers her a chance to get off the hook by asking her if she's really into Steely Dan or if it's just because of her former boyfriend. She's not interested, however.

And this women is obviously inebriated, right? Or do american women act like that stone-cold sober?

I also like the way Walt is sitting, with his arm poised to slip around her shoulders at a convenient time.

Thinking of a carreer path as a taxi driver,
Mme Erzulie

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 09:20:01 ET
Posted by: Peg, Over here

Mister Furst: Female Dan fans may be fewer but we more than make up for the lack of other women through our great charm, intelligence, fanaticism....Last night, for example, I played "Chain Lightning" a dozen times on the piano just to get warmed up to play Latin music. Wholesome -- and good clean fun. BTW I live in Ohio, also.

Hey, maybe using that ignorant female interviewer was all an act...or are you sure it was not???

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 09:12:51 ET
Posted by: Hank Silvers, What is today?

To the record company: guys, it's 5/14. You can update the Confessions page now.

Or, if you don't do that, then just put the files for segments 3 thru 5 back where they were. If someone is such a fan that they made the effort to decipher the URLs for the video clips, they shouldn't be discouraged from doing it.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 07:20:40 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Mo - yes, I was lucky enough to see all the taxi cab clips. See my earlier post (Mon, May 12, 2003, 08:47:19 ET) for more info.

One of my favourite parts is in episode 3 when Walter (helped by Donald) says "I'm thinking of Lizzie as an ideal prototype for our new fans... original... pert... perceptive... blonde..."

Personally, I think the intro music to that second clip is the best thing I've heard yet from EMG. The intro to the title track (with the sax) sounds great, but that funky groove at the beginning of episode 2 is the real winner. A bit like a cross between Green Flower Street and Glamour Profession, only more... pert.

Howard

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 06:45:08 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home

Verizon show tickets on sale Friday at noon. $80.50 for best - less than Saratoga. Good I'll be on vaction at home with mister cable modem at my side.http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/134/living/Concert_update+.shtml

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 02:02:43 ET
Posted by: Mitch,

Brooding means being generally grave, grim, deep in thought. In other words, not very inviting of a person.

Jesse - Jimmy Smith by a mile. (And actually, Joey DeFrancesco is the modern king. No one else is even close.)

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 01:23:48 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

I just watched the first episode again. When Rita asks what they like to do for fun, does Walter say "brooding"? I looked that up, and it means to hatch eggs. Is there some second meaning to the word that I don't know about?

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 01:17:17 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Mitch, you are absolutely right. I agree with you that it wouldn't have been funny if it was me up there asking what their favourite Mingus record is, or if they prefer Jimmy Smith to Larry Young. Her ignorance about the Dan, and just general stupidity are what made it funny. What I said was not at all a criticism of Steely Dan.

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 00:55:29 ET
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

Danfiend,

My bad. Sarcasm travels SO well over the internet!

(See?)

Date: Wed, May 14, 2003, 00:42:32 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Vegas

Biggest chuckle I got was when Donald explained that there wasn't an actual dildo stuck between the pages of the book. It was just a fictional dildo.

And later, Walter's deadpan line, "What do you think about that, Donald?"

m.e.

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 23:46:38 ET
Posted by: mo, captured happy in a picture frame

To Howard:

About Taxi Cab Confessions......You wrote:
>>> I like it when the wig woman talks about different types of religous people (in response to walter's discussion of GodWhacker), then walter says "That's better than what we had for the track..."

The Wig Woman in episode 5??? You've seen 'em all???
Do you know something we don't? ;-)


~Mo

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 23:33:00 ET
Posted by: Blues Beach, Seattle

Hi Everybody!

I'm helping organize the Gorge Danfest, known to some of you as EN-GORGE-MENT. Sue Dave is planning a big party in Seattle the night before and others are headed to go camping there the night before. So email me if you are interested. Also, if you are on the mailling list in 2000, please sign up again since that old list got lost. email me at bluesbeachTAKETHISOUT@earthlink.net Take TAKETHISOUT out of course.

Can't wait for the show and the party.

Marci and Glen

a.k.a. Blues Beach

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 22:35:55 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel (in from Bogata), DC - Reelin' in the Sheeves

This is great stuff. I was waiting for her to ask which one of them was "Dan". (Oh and by the way..which one's Pink?)

Does anyone know what tune was featured at the start of Cab Ride II? A funky little ramble.

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 21:38:04 ET
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Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 20:52:55 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Mitch

You mentioned my post in your response to Jesse. To read it carefully is to see that it was satire:

"Just for that Donald and Walter, I think you should retape the whole Confessions bit and feature only the people on this message board. Whadayasay, fellas? Then you'd get the reaction you want--nervous, sweaty, shaking people, unable to utter a single word."

Hey D&W. I'm still available for that retaping . . .

DF

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 20:39:38 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Mitch- Well said!

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 20:10:51 ET
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

Jesse,

I used to think a lot like you. (That's not a slam...just a pattern of thought that young cats learning jazz tend to possess.)

Face facts...the typical Dan fan is, like it or not, a non-musician who couldn't care less who Larry Carlton is and can't tell the difference between Monk and Bill Evans. It sounds the same to them. So she got the words wrong. Big deal. Someone earlier said that the Dan should have done the interviews with some of the folks on the Blue Book. But that wouldn't have been funny. It would have been little more than a sophisticated verson of MTV's Fanatic. Watching Donald and Walter's reactions to the girl was far funnier than if they'd have been talking to some of us.

But that's the beauty of music - you don't have to know anything about it to like it. Credit Steely Dan for making complicated and beautiful music that is also catchy and, at one point, could have been called "pop". That's quite a feat when you think about it.

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 18:57:48 ET
Posted by: well hung, @dawn

Damn! Me and my small... bandwidth.

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 18:56:28 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

It's really a damn shame that most Steely Dan "fans" are like our new friend Lizzie. They are the ones who go to see "him" sing "Reelin' In The Sheivs", and don't know who, say, Bernard Purdie is, or Charlie Parker. They're the ones that talk during the shows. They're the ones that go out to get a beer during the new tunes. Everytime I watch the Plush DVD, I get so pissed off, when that woman says that her first exposure to Steely Dan was when she heard "Year Of The Cat". Then, the next woman they interview talks as if she's not really sure when she says, "Steely Dan are probably my favourite music along with Madonna and Bach!". Probably?? Madonna?? Oy!!

Howard, I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the official range for a bass is middle C down an octave and a half to F, so you are, just like me, a bass who can sing just slightly higher than a bass range. I think that's what they call a baritone.

Date: Tues, May 13, 2003, 18:39:17 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At Home at last