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Date: Tues, May 31, 2005, 21:17:40 ET
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Date: Thurs, May 26, 2005, 20:47:52 ET
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Date: Mon, May 23, 2005, 11:00:49 ET
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Date: Sun, May 22, 2005, 23:13:59 ET
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Date: Fri, May 20, 2005, 22:47:58 ET
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MAY 2005 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: Jaco, UKI'll bust out a polyrhythm to that, Hoops!
Posted by: hoops, Great reading espec. on the drummer thread. It's all like arguing the finer points of the best champagnes when for most bands you'd be arguing over cheap wine. We are so fortunate to have such a great collection of drummers appear on SD records as we are to have people here write so passionately on the subject.
jim
Posted by: FACW, Dan - maybe that's it - TIMTM needs way more fill, and slowed down a little. I LOVE that bridge (a little birdy friend? Too Much thinking and coaching - I agree.
Josey, Rajah: My jaw was one the floor in concert listening to Cubana Chant straight into Aja. The saddle, reigns, blinders were all way off Carlock. Some SERIOUS fill and feel. It may have been BETTER than the Gadd original if that's possible. I caught Walter glancing back a few time and giving a little shake That first set was sublime. Donald was truly in the zone on vocals that night - is it almost 2 years?!
I want to give some props to Walt Weikopf on EMG and tour - he has that smoky film noir + sassy 50s feel. Great work. He really makes Slang for me.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandPQ - I'm gonna have to say I'd have a hard time believing that was the case. There are tons and tons of drummers who could handle that gig. And there would certainly be no shortage of guys who would voice an interest in that gig. I'd think Don and Walt could have their pick of the lot. Erskine's generally regarded as one of the best jazz drummers out there. Weather Report's a damn nice diploma to have hanging on your wall!
Posted by: PQ, NYCPeter Erskine had to have been brought on in a time crunch, because he was a big name, but it couldn't be a match.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandHer Brother - I never knew that. I'd kill to hear what Vinnie would do with Aja! I thought Erskine handled that gig well as I remember.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandDan - exactly! It all comes down to feel - which is a whole 'nother chapter. And where that's concerned, Gadd would be amongst my faves. Take "50 Ways" for example. Obviously one of his all time signature beats. Once you know the sticking, it's not a hard beat to play at all. But you could take 10 drummers playing that beat, and none of'em will make it feel as good as Gadd does. They might come real close...but you get the idea. Carlock has a great feel to his playing. Jim Keltner, Marotta, PORCARO, Levon Helm, Purdie, and on and on. They all get called because of how they can make a tune feel.
Posted by: Her Brother, Green Flower StreetRajah - I wasn't counting "Alive In America" as a "Steely Dan studio record"
Josey- I heard that Vinny was asked to go out with Steely in 1993 but he was already booked with Sting. They got Peter Erskine instead who worked out about as good as Krantz did for the live shows....not that good. Both Erskine and Krantz are great in their own right, but they didn't seem to click for the live shows.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandPQ - I love listening to Chambers too! Love his playing with Mike Stern and I remember him being one of your faves. Like I said earlier, there's just so many drummers out there who can flat kill it! I also love the stuff Weckl's done with Stern. For any of you with enough free time, go to www.drummerworld.com and click on the "videos" section of the site and explore. Lot's of clips of Chambers, Gadd, Marotta, VINNIE!, Weckl, etc. Very entertaining if you're into that kinda thing.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYThanks Rajah. The drums have always had a place in my heart because they oftentimes define a song better than any of the other instruments. Not to mention that sound and the feel they give. And while listening to some tunes, it's one instrument you can play along to anywhere if you have fingers and toes to tap! (It's just a shame I don't have the money or the room to get a drumset of my own) I don't know about the dancer comment though--that's just never quite been my thing...
Oh yeah, Walter's "stripped down" attitude really does seem to show up in Slang, though much much less pronounced than on 11TOW (only the stanzas are sparse). It's kind of annoying, but not too bad--the song is still a good one, especially with that gorgeous, lush interlude.
Posted by: Rajah, Very nice analysis, Dan, yikes, impressive, seems we have a few trapsters on here. Love to dish on drums, some folks don't even consider them instruments, hunh, BTW we're also excellent dancers (Fred Astaire was a pretty fair can banger).
Carlock is on such a short leash on EMG for sure but every now and then he will do something incredible. The floor toms at the begining of Pixeleen, the sharp punctuation between verses in Gina. But now that you mention it, Walter has him absolutely chained to the porch swing on Slang. Seems WB is still in love with the stripped-down thing. It all added to the shock of when I saw him open the EMG tour, I never thought they'd give him the freedom they did live, it was like he was a different player.
Posted by: PQ, NYCJ - In fusion music IMHO no one drives a soloist on guitar, keyboard or sax to greater heights than Chambers. Everyone suddenly becomes Coltrane when they play with DC. A rare characteristic.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYKeith Carlock is an interesting drummer, to put it simply. He played the majority of the EMG album very straight without putting in many fills. While there's lots of opportunities for Carlock to open it up a bit that I think he missed (probably due to being a bit too "coached" on how to do things), in my opinion the songwriting style prevalent on EMG really does call for restrained drumming to a degree. The songs all have an incredible groove going.
And WOW can Carlock groove. I love hearing him play, even if it's just a straight eight. His groove is so natural and so flowing, no matter what he's doing. That ability to make a groove sound loose, free, and alive reminds me a lot of Jeff Porcaro, one of my favorites. (Plus, it's rather the polar opposite of the Ricky Lawson cold and mechanical groove. Not to mention Lawson's constant trick of opening the hi-hat every 2nd measure in EVERY SINGLE SONG. Thank you Ricky, I can count measures just fine...) Carlock's also got a great sound both live and in studio recordings.
Carlock can do a lot more than just "groove" though. He really opened things up on the EMG tour and did some sweet fills. Cubano Chant was downright awesome stuff. And some of the things I've heard and seen him do with other bands is incredible, all-over-the-place drumming full of all kinds of chops that STILL grooves. And it fits the music just right. I was a bit put off by some of the stuff Chambers did on the AiA album because it simply didn't quite fit with the music (Kid Charlemagne immediately comes to mind).
"Something's off" on TITTM? I disagree. The interplay between Carlock and Walter Becker is outstanding here. Going into the chorus, I always expect to hear Carlock break into a predictable longer drum fill, but he keeps it straight until the last second for a quick tom hit before a crash cymbal. However, this works quite well in my opinion. In the first stanza, he let's Walter doing a quick almost slap before taking it into the chorus really smoothly. Then, in the second stanza, he lets Donald do his thing on the Fender Rhodes (I've always got time to make room for more Rhodes!). Both cases really work into the groove of the song well and get my head bobbing every time.
I love Slang of Ages, I think it's a really good song and I love Walter's vocals here. But wow, Carlock really needed to do something, ANYTHING, to spice up the drum track on this song. He sounds asleep in this song, even though he does sound rock solid and that groove is full of life.
However, may I just say that I freakin' love the beat Carlock lays down in Green Book. It works with the other instruments to make something smooth and seductive but just a touch of almost bounce. Sweet.
The fill in Pixeleen's second stanza coming into the chorus is sublime. Even people I know who don't know a snare from a hi-hat dig that part.
FACW, you said it best when you called the whole band and whole song Lunch With Gina a "groovemonster." I only hope the new Fagen album is half as good and infectious as this song!
Posted by: Rajah, Negative Girl is the bees knees. Shimmery cymbals floating out there above those dead cool and stately guitar chords. Reminds me of deep summer, a mountain lake, breezes in the treezes, reflections on the surface of the water, that noise leaves make when they flutter in unison, a willowy creature in a summer dress walking barefoot along the shore, somebody stop me before I have an accident...
Calgon, take me away. Where's my Aromatherapist?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandI always thought Chambers was a bit of an odd choice to go out with the Dan and I'm not really sure why I thought that. It might have something to do with the Dan always having gone for the groove drummers i.e. Porcaro, Purdie, Marotta and the like. Not that Chambers can't groove - his pocket playing is as sick as anyone out there! But his reputation amongst most drummers seems to be that of one of the predominant chopsters. I usually try to stay away from the "this dog's better than that dog" kinda thing with drummers because there are so many of them that all have something to offer. Having said that - Chambers is amongst the best of the best where Carlock (to me anyway) is just a great drummer. Dennis is one of those guys who seems to have an endless bag of tricks.
I'd also love to hear what Vinnie Colaiuta could do with some of these tunes if he were given the green light to be "Vinnie". Those who are familiar with his unbridled side of playing know what I'm talking about. Not too sure Don and Walt would go for that, but it would damn sure be interesting to hear what came out!! When I first bought 2vN, I damn near screamed when I read his name on the credits upon just opening the cd. That cymbal stuff he does at the beginning of Negative Girl is just so dead on. To these ears, there's just nobody else who plays like he does. There are plenty of bigtime drummers out there who'll tell you that nobody knows where the "1" is better than Vinnie. I guess you could say I'm a fan.
Posted by: FACW, STeveE: yes that's the best stuff about Guard and Charlie - guitar & piano. Even in their weakest songs, there's always ideas and craftmanship that lif their work above the flotsam and jetson
Oh, I know about Carlock's prowess. TIMTM, Last Mall, Slang - something's just off. Overthinking? I dunno
The killer stuff about out Godwhacker is the cymbal (+hi-hat?) work and the interaction with McCracken's licks - THAT'S what I mean
Or EMG how he works it with Weiskopf
Check out Colaiuta on Negative Girls, the only real live-tracked recording on TvN. It's like he's have a conversation with the whole damn band. THAT'S Jazz - That's Blues.
What makes a Monster, is not how much YOU can do, but like Shaq - but also how you make Everyone around you Better. Rainey sounds better when he playes with Porcaro. The time I think Purdie and Rainey really got it in sync were Green Earings and Home at Last
In concert, Carlock was that kind of monster.
Gina is a groovemonster - but I hear the BAND really getting cranked up, especially in that outtro.
Josey: No one runs a better groove that Marotta -check out Satisfaction Guaranteed from Michael Franks' Tiger in the Rain. you'll need a Chesterfield King or two after the song has climaxed.
Posted by: Rajah, Isn't that Chambers on the live cut of Reelin from AIA? He sounded crisp and sharp as a straight-razor on that one...wonder if the boys tinkered with it later? Nah, they wouldn't do that :)
Posted by: PQ, NYCI remember being way surprised to learn that SD hired Dennis Chambers. I used to see him all the time in about 87-88 with Scofield, with Gary Grainger on bass and Robert Aires on keys, at Fat Tuesday's. He had that killer double pedal on the bass drum, really heavy sounding. Even on the Mike Stern records from around that time it sounds so booming, heavy. The fucking fudge on the sundae just dripped all over Tia's crayon.
Posted by: Her Brother, burningJosey... I agree with your choices of "monster" Steely Dan dummers. Dennis Chamber never played on any SD records, just live in 1994. I still think Jeff Porcaro was better than all of them.
Posted by: PQ, NYCJ - exactly, it's not chop-slinger type music which is why, for example, the Purdie Shuffle ad nauseum might have been reined in a little bit on Royal Scam.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandInteresting to read different opinions on Carlock and how he sounded live vs. in the studio. I personally thought he nailed EMG from start to finish. As to "letting the monster out of the box" on Godwhacker and Gina - I don't think there was anything monsterous demonstrated on those tunes at all. For that matter, I don't think anything "monsterous" was done on EMG or any other Dan recording, with the exception of Aja, as far as drums are concerned. While the list of drummers who have held the throne for SD's recordings is an impressive list, it's not chop-slinger type music drumwise. The beat on Godwhacker would certainly be the busiest sounding compared to the rest - it could be that I define monsterous differently. The beat on Gina is one of the easiest beats a drummer can play. It's just that Carlock makes it groove wonderfully! Which, in the end, is basically what the drummer's job is anyway. Carlock can groove his ass off - but pretty much every other drummer in the Dan catalog can too! Watch the making of Aja dvd again and look at Marotta playing along to Peg. That sonofabitch is groove infectious! Look at how loose he is playing that. By my definition of "monster drummer" - Gadd, Colaiuta, and Chambers are the main three that immediately come to mind in the SD alumni. It's funny how people hear things so differently.
Posted by: pH, I don't want to digress, but does anybody know if the deluxe "461 Ocean Boulevard" is worth the $30 I'm about to spend on it?
Posted by: PQ, NYC MU - You should listen to Carlock's drumming on the David Johannsen album called Shaker and ask yourself if Purdie could ever do this, or Gordon.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Gearing up for our monthly LA DanFestYes, you're right Anon Flamer, it wasn't MK on 19. You must be so happy. To make your happiness grow, let me tell you that I have mistakenly thought that it was MK on 19 since 1980. That's a really long time to be wrong. Man, I guess it's time to dive under the bed now.
As for the song Hey Nineteen, I want to preface what I have to say about it with this little fact: " I never met a Steely Dan song I didn't like". 19 is one of my least favorites, but I do like the keyboard interlude that leads into the "scat" part of the song that preceeds "the quervo gold" lyrics. I do like the intro of that song a lot, but, the song gets a little tedious for me. But, again, I'm not saying that I don't like it. I do.
I don't think that Hey Nineteen was played on every SD tour since 1993. To be sure, you could go to Andy Granatino's site, or Tomas Broberg's site to look up the set lists for all the concerts they played. It's a lot of work, but it might be just what the doctor ordered to keep you out of trouble.
Some people have mentioned other songs they aren't that happy with. "Change Of The Guard" does have that '60's formulaic rock thing going on with it which we've heard a million times, but, I love the guitar break with all of the Mu chords in it. "Charlie Freak" is a piano player's song. The dramatic ending of the song coupled with the lyrics is classic Steely Dan storytelling.
"Things I Miss The Most" is not a sell-out song in my opinion. I think it's a great ballad. That's track #2 on EMG. I usually skip tracks #1 and #3 because to me those are the "mass-appeal" songs on the CD. I usually just start with Godwhacker at track #4 and go all the way through to the title track.
Even though EMG was more of a "live in the studio" project, it was by no means truly live in the studio. The reason why Carlock sounds more live in concert than he does on EMG is because he was required to keep the beat while D & W figured out exactly what they wanted to do on the songs.
And speaking of live, I hope someone gets a recording of the Cincinatti gig for the Aja band. I would love to hear them.
Catch you all later.
Stevee(not MK ?!? EEK !)Dan
Posted by: FACW, PQ: LOL a little role reveresal...Keith sounded way more comfortable live in Dallas than on some songs EMG, although ironically it's supposed to be a live album. I heard Keith got a lot of direction from Walter - maybe too much? That was the beauty of Jeff Porcaro and Jim Gordon. Very natural in the studio. Download Andy's alternate take of the Katy Lied tracks, particularly Dr Wu and Your Gold Teeth II. Listetn to Jeff and Chuck Rainey interact with each other. That's not showing off - it's just happenin'!
It may be that some of the songs suited another style
For example, Vinnie Colaiuta might have been a more interesting choice on
Things I Miss the Most
Last Mall
maybe
Pixeleen
Michael White
Slang of Ages
Posted by: PQ, NYCMu - Keith I believe has a more thorough understanding of when to take a song oriented approach rather than having to show off technique and chops all the time. Much more so than
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, mad@boutbrubeckhi in here - - thought i'd add a very short note about the dave brubeck concert i went to a couple of weeks ago at berklee - mark in boston, were you there? nmn?
anyway,
dave brubeck has a recent solo release of familiar tunes he heard during the second world war - dave brubeck playing familiar tunes means he begins with the tune we recognize and then goes off and makes it his own and at the end reminds us of the original tune once again - but the better analogy i thought of as i sat there listening to him play with "sunny side of the street" was my 6 year old daughter's manner of play: the other day i watched her take a simple wicker laundry basket with a top on it and turn it into a submarine, a jack in the box, on its side for a caterpillar, and finally a table top for a tea party - and as i watched her i thought that's it - that's what he does!
dave brubeck has finally, at 85, showed some signs of slowing down, which made me feel sad inside - his saunter is done with a little more care as he lowers himself to the piano - however, his style is almost new again, as he now plays the piano like women knit after 60 years of knitting - commanding but not the focus
the sax solo of stormy weather reminds us of the true sorrow the song is really about but towards the end of the song, he plays such that we think that perhaps, just maybe, she did get her man
Randy Jones, his dedicated drummer, was there keeping the pace of it all without breaking a sweat - how wonderful to be such the epi center of a performance
it was a great night - i wished i had taken more notes but i started to sponge it in instead - not a bad thing to do
get his latest releases, they are excellent as always -
Posted by: FACW, Can't say I don't skip over Change of the Guard. Just uninteresting song structure. Even though I like Dias' guitar. If there's anything that taints the first 2 albums, it's Hodder's drumming - I love Kings, but Hodder has this semi-roll that's the one trick in his bag - can be irritating - too bad they didn't remix the albums around 1990 with Porcaro - but I guess they wouldn't be the original recording now. Charlie Freak. Grim, interesting story. Repetitive song. but Feldman and Omartian are the highlights.
Things I Miss the Most, Godwhacker, Blues Beach sellouts? Nah. Things I Miss the Most is a great Song. You can really hear Donald getting back into that lyrical tunesmith groove he lost after Nightfly. The only thing that's off is the Hey 19 like thump thump rhythm section. Godwhacker flat rocks! McCracken cracks! The return of the blues harp synth! Blues Beach is a late 60s pop nugget with a great bridge and wry, moribund lyrics.
Personally, I think EMG features the best songwriting since Nightfly. Two things I think that may throw Dan fans off. Dan went for a LIVE sound - a few less production tricks and way less slickness compared with TvN, Kama, Nightfly, Gaucho. I like the way it's mixed - vocals strong, up-front, great harmonies, drums more natural sounding than TvN (although the DVD-A TvN is wet babe). We're too spolied and used to perfection.
Number two is the use of Carlock. When they let the monster out of the box like on Godwhacker or the title track or Gina, of the TvN title track, he's awesome...but when constrained it seems a little stiff to me. He can fill - I've heard him live on Aja and other tracks. Yes, amazing in concert. He just seems reticent or straight jacketed in the studio. Doesn't display the cockiness of Purdie, the transition flows of Porcaro, Gordon. Also Porcaro, Gordon, Marotta, Greene, Purdie, Gadd could groove and fill - at the same time!
Both TvN and are more sour and less sweet than the Classic Seven - the charm as my wife puts it. Less ear candy. Still great albums
Posted by: Pam, Some time ago I was in church (gasp), walking through the sanctuary after the service. The ushers were going through the aisles picking up leftover bulletins, etc and as I walked past one of them, I distinctly heard him singing "Babylon Sisters"! I burst out laughing, and he turned around and starts laughing, too. I said, "This is the one place I never thought to hear THAT song!" Great moments in SD....
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYBy Steely Dan standards, Change of the Guard is a subpar song, no doubt. However, I definately dig the instrumental break! Jim Hodder's groove in that part really makes it.
Posted by: Chrysler, PittsylvaniaPh: Yeah, good point-- how could "Change of the Guard" be a sell-out, if it was on their DEBUT album? Well, I think D & W put it on there to appeal to the Tom Johnston-era Doobie Brothers (et al.) crowd, in order to help sell the album, so it's kind of a sell-out in that sense. Or maybe they meant it as a kind of Shakespearian comic relief, I dunno. A true turd in the punch bowl, ain't it?
Posted by: Babylon Sister, Love's not a game for three. Think about it, ph. Impossible to make one woman happy most of the time, let alone two. Then add the in-laws, it's not a game for 47 either.
Posted by: Rajah, Now that...
was a hit, yah!
Change of the Guard or Hey 19 for that matter, are perfectly functional and marketable pop songs. What's holding them back is the narrative which 95 friggin percent of the time is so right on with the 2's work. Just so we understand each other, it's like that movie 50 First Dates sometimes around here.
Posted by: pH, T.J.I was reading through the Babylon Sisters lyrics to figure out what the "show folk" line actually said, and came across "love's not a game for three". WOAH! I thought it was "...game for FREE"! This adds an entirely new dimension to the song that I'm not really sure I like...!
Posted by: FACW, WPO: That ties it all in. The outtro to Brothers still gives me chills. Here's to all who sacrificed for freedom on the soil of France and beyond.
Posted by: Rajah, WPO
We would never desert you.
At times we might not agree,
but mon ami,
we are your brothers in arms.
Vive la France
and vive la liberty.
You ain't heavy,
You my brother.
Posted by: Spaced Cowgirl, in the sandPH, you shouldn't get flamed for voicing a civilized opinion. You have contributed a lot to the discussions on this board, and have provided insightful information. I have to admit I, too, don't care for Hey 19 or Charlie Freak, and I'm sure the flames will come to me for that statement! However, it's sad because in order to even like Steely Dan, one has to have some sort of open mind.
The thing that bothers me so much here lately is not that people have differences of opinion, but that anon flamers come on and hurl insults to those with whom they disagree like seventh grade juvenille delinquents. Not cool, not sophisticated, definitely not a way Becker or Fagen would react or find appealing. Witty sarcasm and providing intelligent counterpoints are two ways to react to someone you disagree with, but the idiotic name calling is off-putting and, well, embarassing (to the offender). Lots of people with interesting things to contribute hesitate to post, as they don't want to deal with the inane "bullying" of some frustrated anon. Let's just ignore the bullshit, don't encourage them, don't respond to them, and above all, don't let them ruin the party, OK?
See you all in Cincy.
Posted by: WPO, Dear Danfans,
Tks for your help on locating the Knopfler material on TOOM! My sister is a big fan of his latest album, and I wanted to share with her some of his earlier work with SD.
As Memorial Day comes to a close here in France, where we (coincidentally) celebrated the feast of Jeanne d'Arc, I bid you all a good night!
Through these fields of destruction
Baptism of fire
I've watched all your suffering
As the battles raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms
Posted by: pH, running from his doorI guess I'm a little behind on the times, but why is "Change of the Guard" a sell out, other than the fact that it sucks? Seriously, that's the only SD song I can't stand to listen to; others I may skip once in a while because I've listened to them too many times, but I hate "Change of the Guard". Watch me get flamed...
Gina, Mizar 5 looks like a pretty cool site, keep it up!
Posted by: Orchids{Gina}, in the summer rainIs likely the title of a track on the next Fagen. Info can be found on the current Mizar 5 installment.
And thanks for that.
Posted by: Due with Buzz{Gina}, Sun Mountainhttp://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/index.php
ìDonald Fagenís ìNightflyî was one of my favorite albums as a teenager. My brother turned me onto Steely Danís music and I was immediately drawn by the brilliant navigation between jazz, rock and smart lyrics. As someone who feels so at home in the hybrid center zone, my introduction to Steely Danís music was a bit like a homecoming. Needless to say, when I heard that Donald Fagen would be sitting in with wonderful local artist, Kirk Smart, who was opening the show for me on Kauai, I was honored and thrilled.î
Click the link above for an interview with singer-songwriter Erika Luckett...
Posted by: Chrysler, The PittsC'mon, both Knopfler AND our man Walter are SUPERB guitar players, way beyond mere noodlers. Noodlers are the guitarists (I use the term loosely) you hear ad infinitum from every trendy youth-rock band hitting the scene for the past 20 years. They can't phrase, they can't swing, they have no sense of architechtonics to their solos; they just SPEW. Which is perfectly OK for that genre; the point is, that's what "noodling" is. One could also argue convincingly that the above description applies to thrash speed demon metal players as well-- so they can play really, really fast, and perform circus sideshow acrobatic finger stunts on their axes, so what? Are they SAYING anything? Be honest, how many posters here wouldn't give their great-grandmother's urn to be able to play like either MK or WB?
ALL the songs on GAUCHO are masterworks of song composition, "Hey 19" included. I don't hear the music as pedestrian; yeah, it has a light, breezy quality, yet is imbued with a subtle sophistication, much like TOOM. Nonetheless, I find myself skipping the first two tracks on GAUCHO more often than not, due to oversaturated listening.
The closest the Dan have come to selling out, besides "Change of the Guard," is represented by "Things I Miss the Most," "Blues Beach," and "Godwhacker." Which, I suppose, reveals a big part of the problem a lot of us have with EMG.
Posted by: FACW, Rajah: MK's later solo stuff (Sailing to Philadelphia, Shangri-la, Ragpicker's Dream), is admirable but snoresville... from my perspective...I can't finish Shangri-la
For more bite:
Comminque
Making Movies
Love Over Gold
all Remastered (the original CDs were extraordinary inferior to vinyl). Communique is my favorite to hear MK work with Pick Withers (drums) and John Illsley (bass) Making Movies may be their best collection of songs.
Soundtracks are interesting
Local Hero
Cal
Princess Bride
.
Posted by: Rajah, Ann honey, dear Dan-Babe of Borneo, I'd take you up on that spanking in a hot second but my regularly scheduled spousal spank-kink is due in about 3 hours. Between her and this board, my ass can only take so much.
Baba Kerrr--Thwacking All the Way Rajah
Posted by: Rajah, OK, I'll listen to his new one the Lady of the House has around. Maybe I can alternate between it and some Buck Owens and His Buckeroos for some aural cleansing betwixt tracks. Like ginger root.
Posted by: FACW, angel: Honey, it is all about the Journey. The truth is always elusive. If somehow we even surround it in the latest iteration, we're doing well...even in the case of credits, unlike the lyrics, where there is a discrete truth
Raj: Your penance is 100 listen to Communique, Telegraph Road, and the title track to Brothers in Arms
Love that intro to 19 - that interaction between guitar and Rhodes. Put the hammah down, brah!!! The semi Wendellized Marotta drum track. All this set a production standard for African American music (not rap of the 80s, 90s, and today. That's right, Steely Dan is ironically the most important influence on BET musci from a production and engineering standpoint. John Legend, James Ingram, Alicia Keys, Erykah Badu...
Ann - that has to be true. Donald never gets those recording sessions or album release years right on the money. Only the fans obsess over the dates. Once finished, unless it's going back for a tour-related issue...and I'm not even sure there, I don't think they ever listen to their own albums.
Posted by: Rajah, Hey Asswipe - wow, I'm impressed with your sentence structure. I won't let anyone tell me "Hooked on Phonics" is inefficatious again. And are you what, so very in tune with Mr. Fagen's likes or dislikes to be in a position to assume Hey 19 is one of his faves? I mean, Donald, is that you? And if it indeed is, why am I constrained to bow down before the composition of Hey 19? I just don't like it all that much is all. I think everyone here can live with that earth-shattering stance, no? Or maybe my opinion means more to you than is really necessary. If so, get over me, would you please?
I do appreciate the resonance of the F#m7, Bm7, Bm6 pattern at inception, quite effective, how are your reading skills there, Asswipe, can you follow a chart? Good job but for me it's a vamp that doesn't pay off. The bridge, which is essentially instrumental, is quite a deviation from Donald's usual modus operandi, but still and all, I like that part as well. What this song suffers most from, in my mind, Dear Asswipe, is the lyrical absence of Walter's hipness, his turn of phrase. I get the sense Donald was steering this bark alone, but you would be in a much better position to tell us that, wouldn't you, DA?
BTW, Satan just called, he wants the pitchfork stuck up your ass returned post-haste.
I've never been able to understand what makes hateful people like you tick, Dear Asswipe.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandRaj - until you've done upside down margaritas with PEPE Fucking LOPEZ tequila - you have not had rot gut tequila!! Since we've potentially started a favorite tequila thread, I'd go with Patron Anejo.
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - and livid!!!!OK Rajah,
Cut the crap about our Mark!!! In the words of the Great One (D) when he chose "Sultans of Swing" to take with him on a desert island in 1990:
"Mark Knopfler is a very talented singer and guitar player. I worked with him -- I guess it was about '76 on the Gaucho album when I was still with Steely Dan and he played on a song called "Time Out Of Mind" and he did a great job, too."
Don't mess with us Northern girls! Any more of this down-grading our Mark to a pub-band level, and I'll come over there and give you a right good spanking!!!!!
The Wild Woman of Borneo
Posted by: pH, laughing at the frozen rainKaty Lied and Royal Scam are now in the performer guide. (sd.paulygon.net)
I'm thinking some sort of search page might be useful... all of these tracks are stored in a database, so it'd be pretty easy to write.
I'm also eventually going to to set up a form for submissions, which would also be pretty simple to write, but I won't get around to it any time soon.
Posted by: Hey Raj, My balls are bigger than yours!Hey Raj- What is it I like about Hey 19 you ask? EVERYTHING! Hugh McCracken's opening guitar part is stunning. Fagen's piano and synth playing is flawless.The groove between Becker and Rick Marotta is right up there with anything Rainey and Porcaro have done with Steely Dan. The bridge is a thing of beauty. Frank Floyd and Zack Sanders backing vocals sound like one great big Michael McDonald! The lyric and the whole premise of the song is freaking great! "She don't remember the queen of soul" A thirty something guy trying to find something in common with a 19 year old girl is just plain funny...Steely Dan funny! Oh and by the way Raj, "19" happens to be one of Fagen's favorite tunes ever. Maybe that's why he's played it on every tour since 1993.
Raj-Do you take Steevie Dan along when you "slide on down"? .........LOL
Posted by: Rajah, Or "Patron." When you think of the refined Steely Dan libations like Kirschwasser and Cuban Breeze, then we get to Cuervo Gold, the rot-gut of all tequilas, you have to wonder.
"The Thunderbird...Chi-wa-wa dirt weed...make tonight a wonderful thing"
That would fit the tenor of the song better.
So Hey Asswipe Dude - what is it that you LIKE about Hey 19? Or do you just sit there playing with your putz waiting for me to say ANYTHING before chiming in and giving us the old "!" or "dot" or "." email?
Gather up your balls and enlighten us.
Posted by: angel, Make Tonight a Wonderful ThingFACW/Mu: Always a pleasure going on a journey through a song with you. You may not always be right, but you make me LISTEN! Something I have a tendency to get lazy about sometimes.
Regarding Pretzel Logic. When I watched the Sony/PBS/Plush/whatever concert for the first time, the part that absolutely BLEW ME AWAY! was the final song of the concert, "Pretzel Logic". This version, to me, is the definitive version of the song and drew me back into their tangled web. The fact that I have never been able to get myself back out, speaks of its and their power. Don't be a stranger to it for too long, next time, FACW. :-)
Paul: You are doing the Steely Dan community a fine service. I look forward to checking it out.
Posted by: Pablo aqui, Up on a hill....Hey Rajah,
Great, and very funny line about the "product placement" ...!! I completely agree. Cuervo? Paleeeze. How about, "Herra Dura Anejo"...eh?
:-)
"...till the sidewalks are safe..."
Posted by: Rajah, ph - I really like the look of that site, love that electric blue. Congratulations on your graduation and, without condescension, I admire the very fine way you -- and some of the new younger people-- comport yourselves here with us relics.
As for all those other asswipes, F'em.
If any of you here have loved ones serving around the globe, even though I find our imperialistic tendencies in the last fifty years repulsive, please know that we honor their service at arms. Godspeed their safe return to your loving care. Happy Memorial Day, if such a thing is even possible.
Even you asswipes.
Posted by: Hey Raj, opinions are like assholesYou keep putting your foot in your mouth. Your comments on MK and Hey 19 are so far off base it's crazy.
Posted by: Hey Steevie, I hate to be rude but.....Mark Knopler didn't play on "19". But I know you really knew it was Hugh McCracken.....So Steevie, in your own words...Go fuck yourself!
See you in Cincy for the 2005 Danfest of the year!!!
Posted by: pH, going insaneI've started to compile FACW's lists of performers on the SD albums onto a little webpage. Currently I have Pretzil Logic completely entered, and I have Katy Lied and Royal Scam ready to enter (it's rather tedious work). Anyway, check it out: http://sd.paulygon.net
When the page is finished it might be worth adding to the webring, if that's a possibility.
Posted by: Rajah, Thirty lashes with the Sultan of Swing record ought to do it. Here's what I don't like about MK's style: it's too countrified. I find it lethargic in execution and as for his style, I prefer Roy Clark or Skunk Baxter in that idiom. Maybe a plectrum would help. Hey 19, is he on that? Figures, cause it's the closest Steely Dan ever came to selling out. The music is pedestrian and the lyric is, frankly, in this auditor's opinion, sophomoric, linear. Worst of all, it's not funny. I also never appreciated the product placement. Pick a good tequila at least. But those were some desparate days on Gaucho, it's hard to keep up your standards when everything is falling apart around you. I compare it to my least favorite Beatles' song: Blue Jay Way. What a titanic stinker. It happens. Hey 19 appears on Gaucho courtesy of an alarming lapse in judgment.
Posted by: PQ, NYCHey Raj - you seem to be questioning Walter's judgment in hiring Knopfler to play on a Steely Dan song. What is the penalty for this kind of treason and insubordination? LOL.
Posted by: FACW , SteveE: Walter was used to cutting and slpicing his solos one bar at a time. MK IS a great artist with I agree a different paradigm. Feeling it on Communique with the band in tow or splitting the sky with a 12 min. run on Telegraph Road.
MK: 'One of his first important sessions was for Steely Dan's "Gaucho" album. "It wasn't like being thrown into the deep end", he remembered, "it was like being thrown into the Pacific from a helicopter. I wasn't experienced with the ins and outs of sessions. I'd be sitting there, and they'd be listening saying 'He's playing this. He's playing that. I like what he's doing here'. And I'm thinking, 'just a minute, I'm here!'. You get used to it".'
http://www.knopfler.net/interview25.html
Of course, listen to what MK could do in a studio for example in the mesmerizing "Local Hero" soundtrack...
Thanks to Dan, we have another update. My kids have one of those digital keyboard - Yamaha DGX-505 which we all tinker on - (actually they're moving towards mastery - I'm not) which has a nice hammer action. I WISH it had a Rhodes channel, but does have 100s of sounds including some traditional organ, Wurly, and electric piano.
Anyway the keyboard notes on Monkey in You Soul have that sustained blow that a Rhodes doesn't have.
Monkey in Your Soul:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Fuzz Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Dean Parks (right channel); Skunk Baxter (solo ñ left channel) [Iím leaning away from Walter now ñ any ideas?]
Wurlitzer: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman - handclaps
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen (great echo)
Posted by: Scouser, TonyLandThanks Guys. See you all Thursday. Scouser
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfNot to mention they drowned out all guitar parts with a rather pedestrian horn chart. Rob Mounsey's done some brilliant work on Dan/Don stuff, but those brass parts sound (shock horror!) kind of dated.
Posted by: SteveeDan, If Raj "sounds" stupid, then I must assume you move your lips when you read, ha ha. Don't be rude. Go to another posting board if you can't be courteous. (Another way of saying this is ... "Share the love" or go F&%k Yourself.)
I agree with Rajah. I think that so much of what MK has done with Dire Straits is great. You don't have to be the world's greatest musician to come up with some of the world's most memorable music. MK has certainly done that.
I have always thought that it was a stretch to have him track on Gaucho. What I think attracted him to Messers B & F was his unique guitar sound. But doing the multi tracking sessions alone in a booth was not the kind of thing MK was into doing. It was obviously a great honor to MK that he was asked to record with Steely Dan. I think the work that he did on 19 and TOOM was very good and worked to a certain extent for these songs.
MK would never be able to carry those tracks alone without the studio trickery that Donald and Walter added along with MK's parts. The sophistication and intellectual intensity that Steely Dan's music requires has often been extracted from musicians who didn't know they had it in them at the time. It's something like a call to hightened virtuosity ... at gunpoint.
FACW - I have copied your two updates (Chain Lightning and Pretzel Logic) into my file that I copied off this site a few days ago. This kind of scrutiny can make you nuts. Thanks for your dedication and to those who hear it differently so that we can try our best to make the best determination of who played what part on what song.
*** And to "P" of the Doctor Wu band ...
It's always a pleasure to be treated to Steely Dan music played by you and the mighty Wooners. We all had a great time and look forward to the next gig you play.
Be sure to tell Tony and Warren that we want these guys to each choose a song to sing with us this Thursday night at La Ve Lee. I'll forward a set list to you and Warren. I don't know if Tony uses computers. I will rely on you guys to get a word to the Liverpudlian.
I hope all is well with all of you here.
SteveeDan
Posted by: Hey Raj, Check your ear wax at the door.......Raj- I prefer Mark Knopler's sub-standard noodling to Walter Becker's sub-standard noodling. Actually, I happen to love MK. Me thinks that "Sultans Of Swing" comment you made makes you sound real stupid .
Posted by: FACW, Check out Once Upon a Time in the West from CommuniquÈ (man that's some great shite), then Gaucho and it's easier to hone in on Knofper's guitar.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYFACW,
Of course you can never go wrong with Pretzel Logic. ;)
I went back and listened to some stuff on Katy Lied. Chain Lightning does indeed sound like a Fender Rhodes. It's not quite got the same bell-like higher end to it the later SD albums have for the Rhodes, hence I never noticed before.
Black Friday is an interesting one. Especially if you listen to both the regular release version and the alternative mix version (same recording but without guitar and a few other things). There's both left and right electric piano tracks on that one, which always makes things interesting. Both are being played quite loudly and they're run through something (slightly phased and distorted) which gives both a unique tone. The softer notes, however, seem to have the softer, rounder Rhodes tone to them. I'll give the vote to Rhodes on this track as well.
(I noticed almost the same exact effect seems to be used on the electric piano in Doctor Wu, it's just more subtle, quiet, and further back in the mix.)
However, I am fairly certain we have Wurlitzer on Everyone's Gone to the Movies.
Posted by: Which One's Dan?, I would love to hear David Gilmour on an SD album
(sorry for the Pink Floyd reference)
Posted by: FACW, WPO: I hear Mark Knopfler in the far right channel throughout a good part of TOOM. That's definitely his run in the intro starting at 0.05. Knopfler plays giutar without a pick...plucks with the fingers giving the guitar a real open sound. Y'know, there's some common blues influences in the way Knopfler and Walter approach the guitar - each has their own noodling... Listen to the intro of Hey 19, then TOOM. SStyle no that dissimilar, but Walter's pick can hit one note at a time on 19, Kopfler can hit TWO strings (without strumming) and therefore 2 notes simultaneously with his finger pluck technique, which also emits notes that are purer if you're a master.
McCracken's in the left channel. No guitar in the right channel in the first verse. When the chorus begins about 0.53, Guitars can be heard again. Some of that could be Walter (1:13-1:22?), but there's classic Kopfler riffs at 1:04 and 1:23-1:36 This calls for more listens with DVD-A and headphones to get enough separation to hear if there are 2 guitars trading 4s or not.
There's a distorted solo from 2:16 - 2:45. I can't determine if that's Knopfler of Walter.
The outtro is signature Knopfler in the right channel starting at 3:23 which has a real "Skateway" feel.
I have to most humbly disagree with our sage Rajah. I find Mark Knopfler to be on of the finest guitarists since the early 70s. Heavy blues - likes to make it cry and sing. The debut, CommuniquÈ, Making Movies, and Love Over Gold Dire Straits albums are chock full of great guitar work. CommuniquÈ is a clinic. I bet Walter heard those hot licks on Single Handed Sailor - really fits into the Dan expresive guitar solo.
Problem was Mark Knofpler was used to playing with an actual band, instead of alone in a studio with some "clicks." Described it as a less than satisfying experience.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfRajah, the first side of "Making Movies" is good, Steely Dan-good.
Posted by: Rajah, Truth be told, the Sultan of Swing wasn't good enough to cut it on TOOM. His sub-standard noodling is woven in and out around the time SOH targets.
There's good...and then there's Steely Dan good. Mark Knopfler belongs in a Thames pub band, not a Steely Dan album.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, 4:20WPO...
It's kind of hard to peg where the Knopfler solo begins and ends in TOOM as many of the guitar bits seem to have that signature WB noodling all over them but if I were to guess, I'd guess around 3:21...
SOH
Posted by: FACW, Dan: Excellent - haven't listed to PL in a year - that's too long! The keyboard on the left channel of the title track from Pretzel Logic doesn't have that "hammer release" effect a Rhodes does. Wurlitzer Electric Piano it must be - I can feel Fagen doing the Ray Charles swing. The chords in the right channel sound more like Dean Parks rhythm guitar than a Rhodes.
Besides FM, if there's another quintessential Steely Dan track, it's this one. Altered blues, Swingin' keyboards. Searing guitar. Baaadd-ass horns. The time stop.
Pretzel Logic:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo) rhythm guitar ñ right channel: Dean Parks
Piano: Michael Omartian (left channel)
Wurlitzer piano: Donald Fagen (left channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Posted by: WPO, CDGHello there,
Would someone please tell me at what second in the song "Time out of mind" the Knopfler solo starts?
Tks in advance, Bill
Posted by: Dr. Wu, The Doctor is OUTTangentially busted...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050529-9999-1m29drwu.html
Posted by: Rajah, Paul, I could tell by your expressions that you couldn't hear much of anything out of your monitor. That's like flying with no visibility, just instrumentation, well done trooper, that must have been a struggle.
See you guys Thursday.
Posted by: Wu Drummer PDC, Venice BeachRajah,
Thanks for the nice words about last nite's show. I appreciate that. Our "on-stage" monitor mix was, for the most part, non-existent, so there was a lot of guess work going on from all of us
just to get through the set. The drum monitor was replaced by a Peavy Bass cabinet, so all I heard all nite was boomy bass and keys.. no vocals, and no guitars, and hardly any horns. So, as you can imagine, it was a bit of a struggle. I was happy just to get through the nite. :-)
Anywho... special thanks to Rajah, Steve, Jake, and Mark of the fabulous "Pretzel Logic Band" for coming out to see us last nite. You guys were more than gracious. Thank you. Tony, Warren, and I are planning to come see you guys kick some tushy thursday nite at La Va Lee. Thanks guys.
Paul
Posted by: Rajah, The Mighty Dr. Wu graced the stage at Paladino's deep in the heart of the San Fernando Valley last night. Maybe it's my imagination, fellow DanAngelinos, but they've really spruced the place up. It's not the same dive I knew and loathed, actually it makes The Baked Potato and Bar55 in Manhattan look dingy. I was shocked. But anyway it's not about the ambience, if you want that go to Birdland, or the old Nucleus Nuance jazz club in LA, anyone remember that joint?
Dr. Wu gave a classy, restrained and very professional performance. Tony Egan continues to amaze and thrill with his wonderful Liverpudlian tenor/baritone, he doesn't try to sound like Donald which I think is where a lot of Tribute Bands go astray. We're in it for the songs, not impersonations. Yes it's cool when someone sounds a bit like Robert Plant or Roger Waters. But think about Louie Armstrong singing Steely Dan. Or Tony Bennett or (genuflecting) Frank. The songs are what they are, perfect little gems, doesn't matter who the singers sound like. Good singing, good playing is what we want for our entertainment dollar. Tony sounds like a cross between McCartney and Sinatra and that's pretty awesome in my book. And he's very relaxed, he puts you at ease as an audience member. Thank you, Scouser.
Wu's rendition of Ruby Baby, never one of the Rajah's faves, was just marvelous, their back-up ladies, Robin Gray and Taylor Sheridan, were great, very confident of their instruments, supporting Tony. Wu's brass section is always muscular, those guys are experienced players and can do all the subtle things...then blow the doors off your Dodge Dart when called upon.
One more little thing. I met up with our Stevee at Jake Feldman's place prior to, they were playing Sign in Stranger and the wonderful, marvelous I Got The News on Jake's console piano when I pulled up. Jake plays piano a lot like his Dad, no music teacher would ever let anyone get away with Jake's technique, especially that flat left hand, it struck me how many music teachers just ruin the natural proclivities of young players. Technique is waaay over rated. Feel and execution are everything. So I'm sitting on the couch and I look over to the pile of records and junk in the corner. There I find a framed gold record bearing the old ABC label. It's the AJA album with a plack on it that reads, "To Victor Feldman." I don't get very shocked or awed by much anymore in this, the September of my years, I've been around, but, that was the closest I've come to messing in my control-top skivvies in a long, long time.
Posted by: Paul, the razor boyCarrack, if one has a dvd player that plays PAL dvds (the reason, I'm assuming, the dvds wouldn't play) the OGWT stuff would work, correct? Or a computer with a DVD-ROM drive? ANY dvd format (PAL/NTSC/NTSC-J/etc) runs in a computer.
I hope nobody minds, but to avoid any confusion between Carrack and I (I didn't realize there was another "Paul" when I came), I'm changing my handle to "pH" ... my initials. That will be effective from this post forward.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfLuvly Anne, sadly, the OGWT DVDs don't play in North American DVD players. The 'greatest hits' package does, but the other installments don't.
It truly is time for someone around the Kirshner empire to give the green light to DVDs for his show. The Dan actually played live at those shows. VH1 replayed those gigs in the early 90s, I remember David Palmer on those shows. Other highlights included the Raspberries ...
Posted by: Ann , Borneo - still miserable monsoon evening!!I've just checked out and Annie Nightingale is still working for the BBC!!
http://www.radiorewind.co.uk/annie_nightingale_page.htm
And I was reminded about her sunday afternoon shows in the 70s and 80s, as quoted by the above web site:
"Annie's Sunday Afternoon Request Show theme was an instrumental "East St. Louis Toodle-oo" by Steely Dan"
She also went on to host OGWT after Bob Harris left.
Invite her to cincinnati!! She broke the Dan in the UK!
Have checked Amazon in the US and an OGWT DVD is listed - but more on their UK site.
Ann
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - miserable monsoon Sunay afternoonThanks Sparkin' for the Old Grey Whistle test DVD info - must get them!! Amazon UK is great for those of you in North America who can't get older British stuff. Will cost you a bit more, but well worth it.
The Old Grey Whistle Test was the highlight of the week as it featured bands that were just breaking - or gave bands their chance, who would never make it on to mainstream pop shows. They were the bands doing the university circuits in the 70s and many went on to be mega. They would occasionally feature big bands as well and have interviews. They usually played live in the studio. The host was a very well-spoken gent called Bob Harris, famous for his whispering voice!! So middle class and knew his stuff!! The show was on BBC2 (the intellects channel!!) and its demise has been greatly missed.
SD were first introduced to UK audiences by Annie Nightingale, who had a show on Sunday evenings on the BBC's Radio 1. The main audience seemed to be students cramming essays due on monday morning!! The first time I heard "Do it again" it blew me away!!! And still does after all these years. She must be in her 60s now!! Great show!!
Wish I could join you guys in Cincinnati - don't worry, one day.....!!
Ann
Posted by: ss, hk
Never saw Old Grey Whistle Test as it was originally broadcast, but recently picked up a best-of DVD. There is a series of these and I have but one.
Don't know how/when SD might fit into the best-of DVD series, but I can recommend these compilation discs based on the one I have.
As described by the host, they were more into the audio than the pictures so the sound is superb. And on the compilation discs, all the performances are live. The one I've got includes Humble Pie, Janis Ian, David Bowie (original teeth) Freddy King, Robin Trower, Fairport Convention, Supertramp, Steppenwolf, Joe Jackson, The Jam.. most of it going back to when the bands were breaking or at least still big.
Don't think there was anything comparable in North America at the time.
Posted by: FACW, Loki or angel of death is more ironic and fits better than plain 'ol Griim Reaper for Razor Boy...the protagonist wishes that Loki visit her in response to her wicked, souless ways
Posted by: FACW, Dan, Thanks - Fagen's always been a big fan of the Wurly. Black Friday and Chain Lightning are definitely Rhodes though. I went back to Gold - expanded edition and Omartian is credited from the Rhodes instead of Paich:
Chain Lightning:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both 9 and 11 oíclock)
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen
This certainly calls for some additional audio and "data-based" research on PL and Katy...what a shame '-)
Posted by: lebowski , chicago 74 Thanks to everyone for the replies to my question.
The clips I have are:
American Bandstand - My Old School - not live -73
Midnight Special - Do It Again & Reeling in the Years - live 72
Unknown Source - Reeling in the Years - live - 72
Plus other clips from the 90's and beyond.
Always looking to share!
Posted by: Another Dr Wu, Re car ride to HI show:
"All night long
We would sing that stupid song
And every word we sang
I knew was true"
Sd lyric for any occassion, a real occassion.
Posted by: angel, Paul: The American Bandstand song was taped at a warehouse in New Jersey, I believe. Yes on the lip sync. That was usually the way it was done.
Posted by: Paul, never going back to my old schoolI've got a clip of SD on American Bandstand doing "My Old School"...it's not very good quality though, looks like someone taped it off a tv with bad reception. And, it sounds EXACTLY like the LP, so it's probably lip-sinced.
Posted by: The Big Kahuna, Banyan Tree BarDoes life get any better than that ?
Posted by: Danny Awards 2004, The Most Orgasmic or Organic Experience at a Danfest" Bad Sneakers Sing-Along Limo Ride to the Honolulu Show "
God ! Has it been a year ALREADY ?
Posted by: Ann, BorneoYep,
It's all coming back now..... the Old grey Whistle test usually had 3 or 4 live bands, each doing one or 2 numbers in the studio, live. Sometimes they'd show a film clip. The Steeley Dan one was a film clip from another show. Must have been an American one, as they'd never been on TV in the UK. I remember the band members, even Donald, were all standing in a line along the front ot the "stage" - but it wasn't a "concert" stage. Looked like it could have been a studio stage. I think it was mimed. It sounds like it was the clip from the US TV show you talked about. The film quality or production wasn't very good - it was almost as if someone in the audience had fimed it.
Paul: Dr. Feelgood - AMAZING band!! saw them twice in the 70s. Superb performers live, witha really raunchy style. Wilko Johnson used to do the most amazing "turkey trot" across the stage while playing his guitar, that sent the audience wild!! Unfortunately, Lee Brillo, the lead singer passed away a few years back, but I thing Wilko is still around. Try: amazon.co.uk I'm sure they'll have their stuff. I have one of their albums on vinyl tucked away in storage back in the UK. Must up-date my collection to cd!!
Hope all this helps!! From a VERY wrinklie rocker!!
Ann
Posted by: Ann, BorneoI saw that clip on Old Grey Whistle Test, but I can't remember the year. It was one of the original line ups - I think Michael McDonald was on it - and some guy who was singing and trying to up-stage Donald. I remember Bob Harris, the host, saying that it was a very "rare" clip of SD, that very little existed of them on film (this was before the days of pop videos) and the song was "reeling in the years". I'd recognise it again if I saw it. It was shown twice, the first time in the mid-70s and then a few years later in a "comilation/"best-of" type" show. Check if OGWT or "Whispering" Bob Harris have web sites (maybe under the BBC) and you may find more info there.
Will did deeper into my ageing memory banks to see if I can remember more!! ...............
Ann
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYFACW,
Nice job on the musicians list for those three albums! It's looking pretty good. However, I do wonder about one thing in it. It sounds to me like the electric piano in all Steely Dan songs from the first four albums (up to and including Katy Lied) is a Wurlitzer. I don't think they used a Fender Rhodes until The Royal Scam. The sound of the electric piano on the early albums has a much harder edge and flat, dry sound compared to the rolling, fuller, dynamic sound we hear from Royal Scam on to today. Any Major Dude or Pretzel Logic are great examples.
And actually just as I was typing this, I just happened to find this comparison of the sounds of the Wurly and the Rhodes piano that actually attributes Pretzel Logic to being a Wurlitzer song.
http://www.fenderrhodes.com/cgi-bin/faq-display?id=15
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfLebowski -- I think Sweet's book said the Dan appeared on 'Old Grey Whistle Test,' and I'd love to hear where you saw this clip.
See, OGWT has released a 'best-of' DVD here in the States, but supposedly they have others for sale overseas that delve a little deeper into their history. Specifically, I'm looking for one that has the band Dr. Feelgood on it.
Is the clip live, not mimed?
Posted by: moray eel, factCorpsy: I understand what you are saying about the dark side. I think the two works that strike me the most are Razor Boy and Dirty Work. I've never really liked clowns, but that picture does something for me.
The other site with the digital ones was interesting too. I'm not sure if it was my cup of tea, but I was impressed that someone had spent a lot of time and effort creating works of art based on SD songs.
m.e.
Posted by: The Big Lebowski , Chicago -- 1974Hi all.
I recently saw a clip that supposedly from the old Grey Whistle Test -- Reeling in the Years. The whole thing is troubling because the information implanted on the clip said it was 1978 but yet it featured the 74 touring band.
I have two questions for the citizens of dandom.
1.) The Old Grey Whistle Test runs at least 45 mins and features one band is what is the set list from that show in 74.
2.)are there any copies of this or any full concert perfomances from the early 70's. Already have the famous one from midnight special and bandstand.
I recently saw a clip that supposedly from the old Grey Whistle Test -- Reeling in the Years. The whole thing is troubling because the information implanted on the clip said it was 1978 but yet it featured the 74 touring band.
I have two questions for the citizens of dandom.
1.) The Old Grey Whistle Test runs at least 45 mins and features one band is what is the set list from that show in 74.
2.)are there any copies of this or any full concert perfomances from the early 70's. Already have the famous one from midnight special and bandstand.
thanks fr
iends
Posted by: the big lebowski , Chicago 1974Looking for the ultimate dan performances
Posted by: Rajah, Forgoodnessake, dear lady, when are you going to appear for us here on the WestCoast?
Legions await, your performance on Pixeleen continues to delight. Best vocal performance on any Steely Dan record by anyone not named Donald or McDonald.
Posted by: Carolyn Leonhart Newsletter, New 8th Day CrossingI'll be performing with Wayne Escoffery's group on Friday and Saturday night at Fat Cat. And if you can't make that, I will be back at Smoke for the Sunday Vocalist Series.
For Lyn Leon fans, we have dates in Germany and The Netherlands in early June - including our rescheduled show in Tilburg.
Here are all the details:
Fat Cat
Friday and Saturday
May 27th and 28th
The Wayne Escoffery Quartet featuring Carolyn Leonhart
Sets at 10:00pm,11:30pm and 1:00am
Wayne Escoffery - Tenor and Soprano Saxophones
Carolyn Leonhart - Vocals
Rick Germanson - Piano
Joe Martin - Bass
Jason Brown - Drums
Fat Cat is located at 75 Christopher Street off 7th ave.
Sunday, May 29th
The Carolyn Leonhart Group
Smoke Jazz Club
6:30pm-8:30pm
Carolyn Leonhart-Vocals
Wayne Escoffery-Tenor saxophone
Orrin Evans-Piano
Joe Martin-Bass
Donald Edwards-Drums
Smoke is located at 2751 Broadway at 106th Street
Friday, June 3
Carolyn Leonhart with Lyn Leon
at Kurtheater
Freudenstadt, Germany
Saturday, June 4
Carolyn Leonhart with Lyn Leon
at Kazernhof
Tilburg, Netherlands
Sunday, June 5
Carolyn Leonhart with Lyn Leon
at Glasmuseum
Frauenau, Germany
Hope to see you there-
Carolyn
Posted by: Rajah, Bell is very evocative, no doubt his compositions are geared to discomfit. They do me anyway. Like the Steely Dan songs upon which they draw, they invade you, then continue to haunt you. Like a friendly incubus.
Steven, we could dress up like Walter and Donald and hold an all-night vigil at Paladino's in anticipation of the Doctor Wu show Saturday night. You probably haven't noticed that they are once again performing a fearsome excavation on Magnolia Boulevard in that part of Reseda. The more things change...
Posted by: Corpsy V, hereMorey Eel, the artist of that Razor Boy drawing, Jason Robert Bell, was so right on the dot about his own signature drive to portray human nature in all its primary features... it's the same way he "handled" the Steely Dan Box set... They're for sale, should you be interested in obtaining one :-)
It is also featured on Mizar5, in fact, his drawings served as illustration in the 'old' dreambook format last year, with permission of the artist ofcourse. And now his art and projects surface from time to time, like most recently a Boat Launch in Brooklyn...
The reason why I like his Steely Dan art, is because he interprets from the raw and dark side. It has a sense of a comic book sphere, the stuff that happens after curfew...
There are a lot of people out there who in one way or another have their own connection to the music of Steely Dan. It's our pleasure to go and find them, whether they're Jane and John Does or a Carnegie Hall aspiring debutant, the Canadian Rosanne Agasee. She recorded a CD, called it "Home at Last" and yes, covered this particular Steely Dan song... she also sang one of Sting's compositions. We'll soon have more info about this disc...
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandRaj - Carlock definitely has an unorthodoxed look about him at the kit. Not that that means diddly F. squat. Regardless of how he looks, he's pretty locked into whatever groove he's playing!
Posted by: SteveeDan, My Easy ChairHi Hoops & Gina - yes, I do remember that big band CD, I just wasn't sure if it was the same one. I have to order that for my collection. Thanks for the clarification.
On "Razor Boy" - This might not be a character, as in, a person like the Grim Reaper, but instead could be the personification of the fear of going broke, losing one's social status, getting old, or all of the preceeding. If it were to be the Grim Reaper though, I would opt for the Monty Python version and advise against eating the salmon mousse.
Those Steely Dan Boxed Set art drawings were very interesting to look at. You can find how the artist made artistic reference to various lyrics in the songs. I really liked the ones for Pretzel Logic, Monkey In Your Soul, Any Major Dude,The Boston Rag, Barrytown, and a few others. They had that certain strangeness that seems to fit well with the "far off the beaten path" aspect of Steely Dan. I wonder if Donald or Walter have seen any of this. I think they too would get a kick out of it.
Rajah and PQ - reading your posts makes me realize (my being a college grad not-with-standing) that I am woefully illiterate. Where's Evelyn Wood when I need her ? I clearly took a wrong turn when I signed up for the Evelyn Wood-head sped-redding class (through Cheech & Chong).
Also, I made a huge mistake !!!
So, now, I will make the correction in regard to my ...
SHAMLESS PLUGGING (CORRECTED VERSION)
LADIES AND GERMS, PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY AND NOW PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS CALENDAR CORRECTION AS I SHAMEFULLY PROMOTE MY COMPANION LOS ANGELES BASED ...
STEELY DAN TRIBUTE BAND -- DOCTOR WU --
SATURDAY NIGHT, MAY 28TH AT PALADINO'S IN RESEDA, CALIFORNIA AT 7:30 PM.
YOU GOTTA COME ON DOWN AND SEE DOCTOR WU ... but don't come tonight (Friday May 27th ... they won't be there !!!)
Rajah and I will be there, and also a few of my fellow Pretzel Logicians too. Why it's a mini-Dan Fest. Bring the whole fam damily !!
Stevee(man of many words)Dan
Posted by: PQ, NYCWell the short story "Murderers" by Leonard Michaels is one of the most anthologized American short stories ever; consider that it came out in 1968, when the guys were studying English at Bard; check it out; and see if you opine that this story *must* be an influence on Steely Dan's lyrical style or not.
Posted by: Rajah, Peter that boat ride from Sorrento to Capri is one huge pain in the ass. Literally. Bunch of sweaty Germans with that filthy blood sausage of theirs in tow. At least it was waaay back when before those hydrofoils. Same thing from Long Beach to Catalina, choppy rides. Ditto the fishin boats from Montauk to Block Island. I envisioned the junket to the Barbados in Glamour Profession to be more lazy and relaxing. Like Lina Wuertmueller's Swept Away. Book my Catamaran, Meali, now that's a nice ride.
All I'm saying is that the black and white beach scenes in L'Avventura have a Bergmanesque quality. That and all that tortured dialogue.
I saw that Keith Carlock video, Josey, man I did not realize how radically he tips that snare downstage, that is one strange technique but I can see how it really helps with all the rim work he does. (Easy you animals)
Posted by: PQ, NYCIn an ironic twist, Leonard Michaels, the short story writer whose volume I Would Have Saved Them If I Could seems to me to have been an influence on SD, entitled his 1999 memoirs Time Out Of Mind.
Posted by: PQ, NYCCome on..."All aboard the Carib Cannibal" - L'Avventurra, on the yacht from mainland Italy to Capri?
Posted by: Rajah, I never have thought of that Peter, but now that you mention it, Blow-Up and Zabriskie Point, the feel of those plots, characters and settings do remind me of Steely Dan. Characters walking blindly into disaster scenarios abound from the handful of Antonioni flicks I've seen. L'Avventura does also remind me of Bergman, however, that stark rocky beach setting, much more of a sexual undertow and motivation (hey, the difference between Scandinavians and Mediterraneans). Funny, Pixeleen reminds me somehow of those kookie Fellini movies, that altered reality, a comic book quality. And Greenbook, cripes, now that could be an Antonioni movie just as it stands. Kinda creepy those 2.
Posted by: PQ, NYCRespectfully. The filmmaker Don and Walt are most influenced by is the open text style of Antonioni. On the 2003 tour a few times Ted Baker was introduced as "Michaelangelo Antonioni". There's a shot in La Notte of Marcello Mastronianni in a roomful of books that you could easily imagine being Becker and/or Fagen. The explanations of Antonioni's "plots" in Chatman's and Rohdie's books on Antonioni matcxhes exactly with many explanations Becker and Fagen give of their lyrics. The "plot" of L'Avventurra resounds again and again thru SD's love triangle songs.
Posted by: Rajah, Of course, Chrysler, the Seventh Seal, yeah your Grim Reaper theory makes sense to me. And he does go way back, I'm thinking the oral tradition of "Everyman" thing and all those Medieval passion plays. He eventually does take all our fancy things away...but not this weekend, hopefully.
I also see a connection between the lady of Dirty Work and she of Razor Boy.
Funny thing about those depressing Bergman movies, you don't really need the subtitles to figure out what's going on, his photography was so stark and expressive, it really told the story on its own. And that gets me to thinking about the question posed about a picture, an image, and how it can be both informed by say a song or story and also how it can work the other way around as with Caves of Altamira or Starry Night by that American Pie guy.
Posted by: Chrysler, PARaj: THE SEVENTH SEAL. Saw it, to my cultural shame, only once, on PBS decades ago. Must rent it and see it again.
Razor = scythe/sickle; Razor Boy = Grim Reaper I say again. The Grim Reaper figure is very old, dates back to the Middle Ages, was certainly not an invention of Bergman's.
Whassup with the whole dismissive "only yuppies like Steely Dan" thing we keep hearing from otherwise intelligent cats like Carlin and Miller? Let's analyze this:
The passe term "yuppie" is used (by the above types) to describe shallow, nerdy, wussy upper-income people of a certain age, who live culturally in the past and don't have a clue as to what is truly hip.
I would contend that a "yuppie," as defined above, could not POSSIBLY "get" Steely Dan-- neither musically or lyrically. Yes, a PERCENTAGE of yuppies have more than a few SD albums, name them as one of their favorite bands, like them enough to ALMOST get SD. But it's about 10% of all "yuppies," no more than that. 90% of "yuppies" listen to the Eagles, Rupert Holmes, the Little River Band, Jimmy Buffett, and in all likelihood don't give a shi-tzu's ass about D & W.
And what is it about brilliant entertainers like Carlin, Miller, Phil Hendrie, Art Bell, et al. that they're such cultural philistines musically? Why do so many otherwise smart people listen to all that jack-crap rock day in and day out? A matter for psychologists specializing in arrested aesthetic development. Hard to fathom.
Posted by: morey eel, nowDoes anyone have a strong opinion about the "Steely Dan art" on the internet? The talk about Razor Boy reminded of something. I found a website a long time ago that had an interesting take on that song.
http://www.tetragrammatron.com/steelydanboxset/source/razorboy.html
Here is someone else's take on The Caves of Altamira:
http://stevesartgallery.bryce-alive.net/gallery/steelydan/cavesaltamina/pic75.html
I haven't seen much discussion on this kind of stuff. Just kind of wondering what others think.
m.e.
Posted by: hoops, Well, as Becker and Fagen said to Marian McPartland on "Piano Jazz," sometimes they leave out details in their songs to make things fit, but as Danfans, "our receptors have been sculpted." We get it anyways.
The CD Per-Gunnar sent me was "Do It Again-hr Big Band Plays Three Decades of Steely Dan." Fred Sturm/Ryan Ferreira.
UPC (Germany) is 4-035714-100230 on hr.musik.de
In the vein of Joe Roccisano, the CD features unique big band interpretations of "Do It Again," "Bodhisattva," "Pretzel Logic," "Black Friday," "Home at Last," "I Got The News," " FM," "Gaucho," "The Goodbye Look," "Negative Girl," and "Two Against Nature." The last has this opening which almost could have been one of those groups that expose their midtriff flab and slap the rhythm on their gut, kinda like the "Little Drummer Boy" was done on SNL a few years ago.
Gotta run.
Fly low, be cool.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, Yeah, I like the angel of death connection. Or like that guy with the sickle and long black gown in the Ingmar Bergman movie, you know, the grim reaper dude, I forget the title, it's set in Medieval times. Can't think, it was Max von Sydow I do remember.
When you look at it that way, the narrative does bespeak youthful views of a world where one gets what one deserves. Unfortunately, time and experience informs that what goes around does NOT always come around.
Koo-koo-kachoob.
Posted by: FACW, slang meRaj: The original intent is deliberately missing - do they even know it?...stil entertaining themselves 3+ decades years later
Some slang definitions for Razor Boy
Razor{boy|girl|gal|guy|etc} - n.
Heavily cybered samurai or other muscle-for-hire.
Razor-boy/Razor-girl: A chipped individual who is known for using implanted hand razors or handblades
What if Razor Boy here IS the Devil? or likely his subordinate coming for a collection... She sold her soul, literally...for fortune and fame...and she knows the payback is coming soon...ironically her soul is now little more than ether.
...then on the other hand, they could be singing about the Eagles...
Posted by: Rajah, Well, heck, if I knew their original intent, I wouldn't be busting brain cells trying to figure out what all this crazy Steely Dan business is about, I'd have been listening to the Eagles for the last 33 years, sheesh. All we have are clues.
Razor Boy seems like one of those tunes where a lot of stuff is left out. They do that as they have told us. They did this song at sound check before the first show of the EMG tour but apocrypha informs that Walter pronounced it, "boring," and they never performed it. Jeez, how could they even think of doing this song without those cool vibes?
It's fairly plain that the narrator does not hold a high opinion of the lady in question. She's difficult (hell-o!), she's a social climber, her reminiscences are without emotion, she rationalizes
her guilded cage existence, she lives in fear of the appearance of the Razor Boy. Fine. But who in hell IS the Razor Boy???
Posted by: FACW, SteveE: Just the latest iteration...I just hope my batting average is better than the Weather Chanel.
Chrysler. Could be. I seems more like a female singer or musician who's sold out their natural talent for a few hits/bucks. At one time she believed she's make it big...but she has no real social standing, no real friends. She's numb. A common Steely them (ex. West of Hollywood) - an anti-rock anthem. Now she's on the way back down. She knows she will lose her possessions or life,...the cage metaphor - she's trapped. In her body? cold and windy - sounds like the grim one...or is it a high-class Repo man? Foreclosure? fate WORSE than death? broke and busted in Baton Rouge? Her Kenny G-like career shattered?...damn, I'm going to have to check our Fever Dreams...love the disclaimer on the ODP
"The Dandom weighs in on the lyrics to just about every Steely Dan song, often without regard to their original intent, with surprising and engrossing results. Includes actual comments from The Duo, culled from many sources"
translation: what the &*$% are they talking about?
Pretty damn bleak adult song for 23 and 24 year old kids to write!
I hear you are singing a song of the past
I see no tears
I know that you know it may be the last
For many years
You'd gamble or give anything
To be in with the better half
But how many friends must I have
To begin with to make you laugh
CHORUS:
Will you still have a song to sing
When the razor boy comes
And take your fancy things away
Will you still be singing it
On that cold and windy day
You know that the coming is so close at hand
You feel all right
I guess only women in cages can stand
This kind of night
I guess only women in cages
Can play down
The things they lose
You think no tomorrow will come
When you lay down
You can't refuse
Posted by: Paul, tearin' up the streetIDTC: Got it.
Gretchen, I'm not going to college. But I don't exactly think this is the place to discuss why, so I'll leave it at that.
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, the 'BurghPaul: Razor Boy = The Grim Reaper. Get it?
And here's something I just got-- just as Bossa Nova eventually became confused with lounge music, Steely Dan in likewise manner became confused with Muzak. This phenomenon periodically occurs with great music-- in the 50s, the Miles Davis Quintet underwent the same process; MD's stuff at the time was often listened to as dinner/cocktail background. And you used to hear the Beatles as Muzak all the time.
Posted by: Rajah, It's the 28th actually, Steven, unless I've lost my mind which is a distinct possibility.
Seems Lewis Fairlawn got his apartment busted into in the City and a bunch of stuff got lifted. Ahh, the joys of Manhattan. Probably some deranged Steely Dan fan, you know the type, looking for demos of Donald's new record, can you imagine?
Hey, wait a minute...OK, does amybody here wanna fess up?
Posted by: Gina, hr Big Band Mountainhttp://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/index.php?p=93
we featured Fred Sturm on the doublestar a few months back...
hi Steveedan, that's the german hr big band who recorded a cd of steely dan songs, arranged by Fred Sturm. i clearly remember both you and i found this years ago on the net and even discussed it some, even here in Blue, the initial Bodacious Cowboys project.. i also think you did even send an email at the time to Fred Sturm, but not sure... later on, the german big band recorded the songs...they're 'nasty' and more rock than jazz, really...
a must have cd.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Putting it all togetherDACW - Thanks for re-posting that list of musicians. I have copied practically every list you've posted over the last couple of years and was confused as to which one was considered to be the most accurate one. Now I don't have to wonder. Kool(ee Baba ...).
Hoops - a few weeks back you posted about a big band:
"Per-Gunnar from Sweden also sent me a Big Band Steely Dan album that's pretty interesting ..."
Do you know what album/CD this is ?
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Hey everyone ... here's a little "promotional" twist for you ...
S.H.A.M.E.L.E.S.S P.L.U.G.G.I.N.G (for a friend's band ...)
DOCTOR WU (ANOTHER GREAT STEELY DAN TRIBUTE BAND FROM THE LOS ANGELES AREA) IS PERFORMING THIS FRIDAY NIGHT MAY 27TH AT PALADINO'S IN RESEDA, CA.
COME ONE, COME ALL !!!
SteveeDan
Posted by: Paul, never going back to my old schoolI need a high resolution scan of the Countdown to Ecstacy album cover, if anybody could supply me with this I would be very greatful. Drop me an email if this is possible, and I'll direct you to my gmail address which won't bounce the expectedly large file size.
Posted by: Gretchen, somewhereHappy birthday to Alan and Sam, and many, many years of health and happiness! Hope to see you both again soon.
And congratulations to Paul on your graduation. Are you planning to attend college, and if so, where?
G
Posted by: T.J., DKJust came across this album: "duotones: a tribute to duos of the 70s". Anyone heard it? Has some funne versions of Reelin' and Dirty Work. Do you know who's behind? (Hope this hasn't been discussed)
T.J.
Posted by: Paul, an advocate of dark sarcasm in the classroomA golddigger...? a drug addict...? Perhaps I should consult feverdreams before asking interpretive questions.
I just thought "Razor Boy" was about this gal marrying some dude who's really old and she's marrying him for his money. The narrator is apparently the right kind of guy for her, but he isn't wealthy/popular enough to catch her attention. My friend isn't marrying anybody for money, but SD songs can take on all sorts of metaphors. In this case, my friend is a typical 19-year-old who's looking solely at people's externalities (like wealth, physical appearance, etc) in her search for a "life mate". She'll grow out of it some day, most kids do, but she aches to be married, and if she's only looking at appearances, she would definetely regret her decision. Understand now how I made the connection to "Razor Boy"?
Still, I have no idea why the "Razor boy" is a "Razor" boy. Although if the song truely has to do with drug addication, I can see what it might refer to.
GF, if Donald has a tour for his solo album, I hope I'll get to see some of you at a concert. Assuming the tour lands there, I'll probably end up in Chicago.
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Bullet Ants Mountainhttp://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/tributes.htm
If you click the link above, you'll find an excerpt from what Walter Becker has to say about working with RLJ on her Flying Cowboys record. Just scroll down some...
Posted by: Girlfriend, Hey Paul, way to go kiddo! And so the journey begins...hope to meet you somewhere along the Dandom.com trail.
Good to see some of the old regulars back, too.
Posted by: Peter, CincinnatiPaul - Razor Boy is about a golddigger, ie, a lady who marries a gent solely for his money. What do you think it is about?
Posted by: FACW, Jeez, i was expecting more exciting, less interospective like laying on a bed of pissed red fire ants and doing the herky-jerky dance screaming like the Kulee Baba
Posted by: hoops, Happy Birthday Alan and Sam! Congrats Mike! (And Mike, don't forget to contact Ringmaster Dan about the webring links.)
Hard to say to what degree of consiousness that sports announce was grasping for SD's "Deacon Blues" but it still floors me that Dennis Miller (and George Carlin for that matter) dis Steely Dan and their fans. Maggi would devastated.
Have to catch up more.
Be well folks.
jim
Posted by: happy birthday, you knowHappy Birthday to two great gents:
Alan, the 25th
Sam, the 26th
LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!
Posted by: Daddy G., This is the night of the expanding CountermoonI see that Ezra Titus' "Summer of the Bullet Ants---Part II" has been appended to Countermoon no. 3 at...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/countermoon.html
I may be crazy, but I didn't notice it there before tonight.
Posted by: ss, hkHey Mike....congratulations
Posted by: I heard you were singing, a song from the past..."Razor Boy describes one of my best friends in rather tremendously disturbing detail" .
Damn Paul, I'm sorry to hear that your friend is a drug addict!
Posted by: Paul, an advocate of dark sarcasm in the classroomI graduated from HS today, Woot!
Sorry about that little indulgence, I assure you the rest of this post is on topic.
Mike, I found your track listing page a couple weeks ago, it's outstanding work! A very handy guide.
I've been thinking about "Razor Boy" a lot because it describes one of my best friends in rather tremendously disturbing detail. The song is pretty easy to interpret in a literal and metaphorical sense, but why is it the "Razor" boy? I hear that title and I think of some punk kid with a switch blade... What's the significance of the man taking "all your fancy things away" being "Razor boy" instead of, say, "Refridgerator boy"? Okay, so refridgerators aren't normally thought of as the harbinger of destruction, but you get the idea of what I'm asking.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdcheers, Mike. I remember when your page was on Geocities, struggling to load it on my shyte computer/connection. It's a real tremendous piece of work, everyone should check it out.
Posted by: FACW , Rajah: Hey, I'm listening to the snare, cymbals and hi-hats 50 times and obsessing over them anyway!! Might as well atempt *something* productive. The drums on Everything You Did had me sitting on the fence for quite a while, and then I was paying attention to Rick Marotta on a Michael Franks album. He and Purdie's shuffles can sound alike, although Marotta tends to ride a little sooner and whacks the snare a little snappier. Walter plays guitar on EYD, but t sounds like a Carlton solo, although Walter is capable of a pretty good imitation (ex. Pretzel Logic title track).
Howard helped on Any Major Dude and some other sticky points. I thought the piano on SiS was Victor Feldman for a while, then saw an artcile pointed out to me on on of these GBs.
The Katy Lied alternate take outtakes on Andy's site also have aided in sorting things out quite a bit.
Some songs like Green Earrings, East St. louis Toodle-oo, Blaine's sit in Carton' solos come from numerous interviews and credits from SD collections. The intro to the Earrings solo could be Parks or Carton, but Dias then Randall I'm pretty certain about
Posted by: Joey, "Avoid loud and agressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans."
If you want more:
www.hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html "
Nice Stuff !!! ... Thanks
I LOVE THIS BOARD
Jacky !
Posted by: Dan Fest Central, Cincinnati, OHHi Mike,
Yeah, Cincy is right over the bridge from Louisville! See you On July 17Th...it's going to be a blast!
STEELY DAN FEST '05
Sunday, July 17, 2005
Ramada Plaza
11911 Sheraton Lane
Cincinnati, OH 45246
Doors open 4:00 PM
AJA performs 6:00 PM
So outrageous! AJAmusic is proud to present the first annual Cincinnati area Steely Dan Fest. We invite you to come celebrate ëall things Daní with a memorable day of music and more!
Highlights include:
A performance by AJA - A Tribute to the Music of Steely Dan
You got to shake it baby! AJA recreates the sounds of one of rock's most legendary and enigmatic bands with stunning precision and energy. The joint will be rockin' to all the Dan classics from Reelin' in the Years to Hey Nineteen and beyond. This 10-piece ensemble features former members of Pretzel Logic and includes some of the Cincinnati areaís finest jazz, rock and session musicians. No static at all!
Special guests
Tom Barney - Bassist extraordinaire for Steely Dan since 1993
Pete Fogel - Editor of the Steely Dan fanzine Metal Leg
Jim "Hoops" McKay - "custodian/enabler" of the Dandom Digest and its companion website www.dandom.com.
A chance to win an autographed guitar
Screening of rare Steely Dan performances
Tons of Steely Dan memorabilia to giveaway
For more information please visit www.ajamusic.net. Tickets go on sale Monday, June 13 at 10:00 AM online at www.ajamusic.net - $17 in advance, $20 day of show. An AJAmusic Production.
Steely Dan Fest Ticket Outlets:
CD World
10226 Colerain Ave
923-1223
Wizard's Music
2940 Markbreit
351-5500
Steely Dan Fest 05' hotline (513) 588-6201
Posted by: Rajah, Mu - that's a real labor of love on your on-going project, congrats and thank you. Yes, I suppose one would need to employ all those abilities and tools in order to decipher the players who are probably not even sure themselves if they appear on any SD track. Course you have to be a little crazy, like listening to a hi-hat track about 50 times before you can figure out whom it is. (Not that I've ever done that, you understand.)
It strikes me that Donald, Mike McD and Tim Schmidt were the ultimate crooning Steely Dan trio. The Three Steely Dan Tenors, wonder if they could do Nessun' Dorma from Turendot, maybe not, but Tim has retained that high register of his, he came on stage at Universal 5 years ago and sounded just great, (The Eagles tunes he sings are the only ones I can stomach) that always shocks me when guys like him, Jon Anderson, Frankie Valli even, manage to retain the ability to go up to falsetto at their advanced age. Usually, a man loses that high range around ages 45 to 50, or Man-O-Pause, as my squad of mental health professionals tell me. Thanks, Dr. Krueger and crew.
Maybe Don & Walt should shut everybody up and do a kind of retrospective record after Donald's solo. You know, call back some of the old crew like Michael and Tim, maybe extend the olive branch to Purdie and Rainey, still alive and kickin are Carlton, Derringer and McCracken. Wouldn't Skunk and Denny be a gas to hear again? Cornelius is impossible to replace of course, what a loss, he battened down the lower part of the horn charts so artfully. And they sure don't make Victor Feldmans anymore so we're stuck there.
Posted by: Mike, Louisville,KYHello everyone!
It's been a very, very long time since I've posted here (or anywhere for that matter) so I just wanted to drop in and say hello. I heard that there was a Danfest coming up in my neck of the woods here soon and I was hoping to get some more info on it.
It would be great to see some of you there,
Mike
P.S. - My track listing is still up (even though it needs an update and my old E-mail address is invalid) at:
http://www.andymetzger.com/album/complete/
I should be updating it before too long.
P.P.S. - Hats and Hooters alert - I'm getting married in less than two weeks!
Posted by: SS, hkYeah from the way that quote reads....that's a butchered attempt at a Deacon Blues reference - no question. Dennis Miller would have made it clearer
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfAnd, believe me "Sports Authority," though I'm not proud of it -- my bank account pretty much revolves around me being a sports authority of some note. Mad Dog Carter was trying to quote the song in reference to Manu Ginobili.
Posted by: Paul, at the stage doorFACW, do you want somewhere to host that info? And by somewhere, I mean, my website?
If so, drop me an email.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI know who Deacon Jones was/is, but if you heard Fred Carter's intonation (and the way he usually trips over his tongue), you'd understand that he was trying to paraphrase the line from "Deacon Blues."
Posted by: Sports Authority, The StadiumCarrack - Deacon Jones was a famous football player. That remark had nothing whatsoever to do w ith Deacon Blues.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfWatching a sports commentator ad-libbing on TV tonight, he went out of his way point out that a certain player "was a winner, some guys are winners, and don't call him Deacon Jones."
Um, that's close, I guess.
Posted by: FACW, STeveE: The latest iteration on a long-term project - decipering the song-by song credits for Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied, Royal Scam. PL is especially challenging. Some info comes from compilations disks, Metal Leg, my easr, ears of others, concensus...anyway - any comments or thoughts are always welcome:
PRETZEL LOGIC
Rikki Donít Lose That Number:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar & Solo: Skunk Baxter
Piano: Michael Omartian
Flapamba: Victor Feldman
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Night By Night:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Skunk Baxter (solo)
Walter Becker
Clavinet: David Paich
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Clarinet: Jerome Richardson
Backing Vocals: Tim Schmit, (Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews?? ñ uncredited)
Any Major Dude:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks (right channel), Ben Benay (left channel)
Electric guitars: Denny Dias (left channel) Skunk Baxter (right channel + solo w/ second half doubled up)
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine):
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen
Barrytown:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic guitar: Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Denny Dias, Dean Parks
Pedal Steel guitar: Skunk Baxter (last verse)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
East St. Louis Toodle-oo
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Wah-wah Guitar: Walter Becker
Pedal Steel guitar: Skunk Baxter
Banjo: Dean Parks
Piano: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Alto Sax: Donald Fagen
Parkerís Band:
Drums: Jim Gordon (right channel) & Jeff Porcaro (left channel)
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Denny Dias (left channel), Dean Parks, Walter Becker
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Dueling Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit, (female - Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews??)
Through With Buzz:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen
Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell
Pretzel Logic:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel), Michael Omartian (right channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
With a Gun:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Skunk Baxter (good Western flavor)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Charlie Freak:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen (left channel)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, sleigh bells, triangle @ 1:52 mark)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen
Monkey in Your Soul: (a very underrated song)
Drums: Jim Gordon
Fuzz Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Dean Parks (right channel); Skunk Baxter (solo ñ left channel) [Iím leaning away from Walter now ñ any ideas?]
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman - handclaps
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen (great echo)
All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen
Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell
KATY LIED
Black Friday:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Keyboards: David Paich (right channel?), Michael Omartian (left channel?)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald
Bad Sneakers:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald
Rose Darling:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric ñ left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo ñ right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald
Daddy Donít Live in That New York City No More:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen
Doctor Wu:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen
Everyoneís Gone to the Movies:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews
Your Gold Teeth II:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen
Chain Lightning:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oíclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen
Any World (That Iím Welcome To):
Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ì99î)??
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald
Throw Back the Little Ones
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins
All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen
Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell
THE ROYAL SCAM
Kid Charlemagne:
Drums: Bernard ìPrettyî Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews
Caves of Altamira:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Jim Horn
Solo Sax: John Klemmer
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit
Donít Take Me Alive:
Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo)
Dean Parks (rhythm)
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit
Sign in Stranger:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Denny Dias (outtro)
Piano: Paul Griffin
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit
The Fez:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Paul Griffin
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald
Green Earrings:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliott Randall - left channel
Larry Carlton - right channel
Denny Dias ñ 1st section
Elliott Randall ñ 2nd section
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, triangle, maracas)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Haitian Divorce:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Dean Parks (solo talk box)
Walter Becker (talk box voicings)
Larry Carlton (rhythm)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews
Everything You Did:
Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo), Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Organ: Paul Griffin
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald
Royal Scam:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Donald Fagen
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (blocks, tambourine)
Dueling muted trumpets: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews
Posted by: Retraction, from the little room downstairsoops...that was Chris Bodi
You may return to your regular scheduled program...
Posted by: Girlfriend, the Reality TV zoneChris Potter sighting...Rob and Amber (from Survivor) Get Married.
I knew I watched this trash for some redeeming reason...
Posted by: O'Brien Family Band, Evergreen, COWe are a traveling family band that loves Steely Dan. We have listened for years. We would like you to check out our website, and sign our guestbook. We look forward to hearing from you. You can see us traveling throughout the USA traveling and making music at festivals, events, and concerts.
Posted by: Steely Sam, Let's not forget that Baxter was part of a project called Sneaker. They did a version of "Don't Let Me In" which was sweeeet.
EMG really captured the politics and corruption of the early 00's while flying under the radar. Indeed, it was in some ways like "The Royal Scam II." (And, of course, some ways not.)
SS
Posted by: SteveeDan, Kiddie Patrol
I don't know why I thought Don Grolnick was the pianist on Sign In Stranger all these years. Paul Griffin is the man ? Paul was a great session player so I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it really was Paul G. and not Don G. Has anyone ever compiled a definitive list of players for each track on the albums?
Maybe it would be time to revisit this topic and reaffirm this. This is something that I always want to know for sure. It's sort of like memorizing baseball stats.
Skunk Baxter hasn't completely abandoned music. I learned from a musician friend of mine that Baxter will be working on one of his projects. When I have been given "clearance" to post about this project's specifics I certainly will.
It's early dismissal day at my son's school. Gotta go get 'im.
SteveeDan
Posted by: Rajah, L.A."Mr. Baxter, who joined his first band when he was 11, began studying journalism at Boston University but dropped out after a year in 1969 to begin working with Ultimate Spinach, a short-lived Boston psychedelic rock band. He moved to California a short time later and became one of the six original members of the avant-garde rock group Steely Dan. He quit the band in 1974 and joined the Doobie Brothers, helping to remake its sound into a commercially appealing mix of funk and jazzy pop. Mr. Baxter left the group in 1979 after a long tour in support of its most popular album, "Minute by Minute."
WSJ, 5/24/05
Posted by: Steely Jan, Sandy, UTJeff "Skunk" Baxter made the front page of the Wall Street Journal today. The article talks about his defense consulting. Steely Dan is mentioned a couple of times. It says he left the band in 1974. I thought the band got disolved.
Steely Jan
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandHey Gang - some of you may have already seen this, but there's a new video up on Carlock's website taken from a clinic he did in April of this year. Check it out and you'll basically see what it was he was doing in the "Josie" solo from the 03 tour. It's about 3 or 4 times as long as the solo he did in concert and it gets fairly repetitive, but it still sounds pretty cool. Those of you who remember that solo will instantly recognize the sound.
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Mizar5http://greghaugesag.com/discography.html
http://www.markarneson.com/aboutbio.html
Mark Arneson is his name, together with Greg Haugesag... the Flammabla Jammies...
From Minnesota, the Minneapolis area, coincidental the same town where band Terramara celebrated their newest CD release friday May 20th, with the assistance of members from the local Steely Dan tribute band... According to Terramara leader Rob Meany it's been a real trip and more people feel that each and every Steely Dan fan out there should be introduced to the sound of Terramara... NOT just because of the kindred elements which aren't that many after all if you consider Rob's lyrics aren't obscure and they pace for a general happy feel of things... Maybe, maybe (for sure) the kindred elements could be the cleverly blended styles of pop, rock and jazz with nice little details to revel in, or the ...
arrgghh. just check yourselves if you like, www.terramara.com
EdB, good find!
Posted by: Matt, ChattanoogaOf course it was Albuquerque, the Phoenix gig was cancelled along with the Boise one. It's been a while (five years now...I'll be damned) so I beg forgiveness.
Regarding the supposed title of the new DF solo project, it makes me hear strains of Florida Room, Goodbye Look, and Walk Between Raindrops...which is a good thing. I only wish there was news that Walter has secretly been recording his own project, and that they would be released together, a la the last Outkast album.
Ed, can't seem to find much info on that, but it appears to be an instrumental jazz deal...interesting title though "Walter Becker's Fantasty". No listing on allmusic.com.
Posted by: Funny?, Inspired by his own egoRajah-- If heÝwants to bring back this idiotic persona let him do it on St.Als book.
Posted by: Rajah, Hoops - the Meali is the funniest friggin thing to ever hit the Blue, Peter is hilarious and inspired when writing this character.
Posted by: hoops, Back in town.
To be honest, I still don't get the Meal Reviewer, but I did encounter those who did in 2003.
Got the new Van Morrison Album, "Magic Time." The US version has an extra song. I didn't care much for it the first 5-6 days; like it a lot now, although not sure it's among Van's best.
FACW: I've met Al Gore four times; the first time was when he was a senator and he came to see what we were doing with the web at UI-Urbana.
I am in chat with Alan and am telling him how frustrating it is to see how some of you (Paul, SOH, Pat Beemer, PQ, to Moonlight, etc) pretty much ignored or don't get what I wrote on Friday. I know you mean well but you completely missed my point. I would never run a board if all we could talk about was DF/WB/SD exclusively. Not only do I want this to be a place to discuss cover bands, it needs to be...just not incessantly about the same thing over and over again...just with some balance. Heck, why do you think I congratted W1P a week ago. Please stop the naval gazing.
Gotta go.
jim
Posted by: edb, @homeHey ...
whats this?
http://www.gracenote.com/xm/pcd/genjazz/66dbe7a9dadf99b95ef0c6ed44d300b4.html
Posted by: Daddy G., Well, I should know by now that it's just a spasmCountermoon no. 3 -- Snarky's Online Journal
http://www.donaldfagen.com/countermoon.html
Posted by: Still Sparkin, HKMaybe this makes the piano playing on Sign in Stranger a bit more straight forward...unless DF is misleading intentionally.
(From an interview May 25, 1976 on Capital Radio)
DF: Oh, Sign In Stranger, is that what you're talking about? Yes, that's a little science fiction number with a little science fiction guitar by Elliott Randall.
Caller: And do you play the piano on that?
DF: No, I didn't as a matter of fact. That's Paul Griffin, who we just heard playing organ on that TB Sheets record.
Cheers
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, In limboMatt...Nice to see you chime in....Your insight is missed...
SOH
Posted by: Paul, with plenty of javaYeah, I much prefer the AIA "Reelin'" to the original, and "Book of Liars".
Posted by: Rajah, AIA is a strange beast. I love the Reelin in the Years arrangement and that dead-slow 3rd World Man, however.
Posted by: Her Brother, Burning with RagePaul,
You're right. Almost Gothic was only played at Alberquerque.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfMatt, I thought "Almost Gothic" went down in Alberquerque -- but then again, I think a lot of stuff goes down in Alberquerque.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfRobert Elms is great, he has a wry sense of humor and knows his music. He introduces Nick Lowe at a London Palladium bootleg I have from 2001 and does a great job -- even if the "Sunday Night at the London Palladium/Tiller Girls" jokes got old.
The new bridge in SiS is the perfect example of that faux-luxe vibe Donald was into back then. Very cool, but light years behind the original. Kind of like the whole "Alive In America" album.
Posted by: Rajah, Love or leave her, yellow fever
Sure, it's all in the game
And who are you
Just another scurvy brother
The year was 1994-1995 and we were in the throes of the political correctness movement. There are what could be considered two racial slurs in this bridge.
Posted by: Matt, ChattanoogaRegarding the lyrical changes for the bridge of SIS, Donald said that when they went back to that song for touring, they simply didn't remember what those lyrics meant anymore and wrote a new bridge to compensate. Remember (if you will) that they also invited fans to write a third verse for a touring version of Midnite Cruiser, to no avail.
They also used the "we don't know what this means anymore" excuse to not play Rikki until the '96 tour, skipping their highest charting song on their big "reunion" tours, which for the casual fan would be rather like going to a Lynyrd Skynyrd show and not hearing Freebird.
Don and Walt's song selection on various tours has always seemed to be based more on what goes with that overal set rather than the standard bunch on fan favorties, a few deep cuts, and "dear god please rush to buy our new album available now at Tower Records, Sam Goody, Best Buy, Borders and maybe even Wal-Mart stores."
Unfortunately, this means a lot of the set list is static throughout the tour, which means that you get great shows night in and night out, but not a whole lot of variety if you happen to catch more than a few. If you aren't careful, you miss the only live performance of Almost Gothic in Phoenix...not that I'm bitter.
Posted by: FACW, SteveE: That's one mystery I haven't solved yet in reverse engineering the song-by-song credits from PL, KL, RS. My first guess was Don Grolnick (who does that fab solo in Glamour Profession), then I heard it was Victor Feldman (syncopated piano on I Got the News), other sources claim Paul Griffin
What do you hear?
Posted by: Mike, LondonHere in London, hip dj Robert Elms has just done "What's All The Fuss About Steely Dan" Each week, he and another guy assess the music of a particular artist. Listeners are given the chance to vote for their three best tracks.
I think that you can still participate by e-mailing:
robert.elms@bbc.co.uk
He was astonished by the response, as it is almost as great as for his two biggest shows (David Bowie, Rolling Stones ). I am a big fan of Elms, but was disappointed by his attitude. Sure, he liked the Dan, but he felt that they were too clever, too cool and that their records were too long. However, it is clear that he had never explored beyond the obvious tracks.
His buddy also had reservations, but managed to play a cool selection, not sticking to the obvious. It included Brooklyn, Fez, Razor Boy, Cousin Dupree. Interestingly, each dj chose three different selections and the feedback from the audience wa equally diverse. i am really surprised that Robert Elms was surprised. IMHO his show would attract exactly the type of listener who would listen to the Dan. Check out the website: do a google on "robert elms london"
The Dan featured on the Friday playlist.
Posted by: Rajah, Good morning Party People!!! Yikes, what a mess...
Jobim. I've been flogging this guy's body of work since I came on here and you cannot imagine how juiced I am if it turns out to be true and Donald is doing a bossa-nova thing. The reason I got turned onto Antonio Carlos was that his tunes were on the jukebox at the North Italian Club in Cleveland back in the early 60s when I'd go down there with my old man and my Uncle Anselmo. Yeah, they took me to bars, Dads would probably get thrown into jail for this now. The Gumbas loooved Jobim and those kitchy melodies. Jobim couldn't sing a lick but he was a great stylist, made the most of what God gave him. You guys, you simply have to get this record I have which I stumbled on a decade or more ago:
The Girl from Ipanema: The Antonio Carlos Jobim Songbook
Various Artists - Intl. - So. & Central America - Brazil/Bossa Nova/Samba, Various Artists - Jazz - Latin/Afro-Cuban Jazz, Antonio Carlos Jobim (Tribute)
Here's what's on it:
. Garota De Ipanema (The Girl From Ipanema) - Stan Getz And Joao Gilberto
2. Corcovado (Quiet Nights Of Quiet Stars) - Sarah Vaughan
3. Felicidade - Billy Eckstine
4. O Morro Nao Tem Vez (Favela) - Stan Getz And Luiz Bonfa
5. Agua De Beber - Astrud Gilberto
6. So Danco Samba (Jazz Samba) - Antonio Carlos Jobim
7. Insensatez (How Insensitive) - Wes Montgomery
8. Once I Loved - Shirley Horn
9. Samba De Uma Nota So (One Note Samba) - Stan Getz And Charlie Byrd
10. Meditacao (Meditation) - Joao Gilberto
11. Desafinado (Slighty Out Of Tune)
12. Dindi - Astrud Gilberto
13. Wave - Oscar Peterson
14. Aguas De Marco (Waters Of March) - Antonio Carlos Jobim And Elis Regina
15. Chega De Saudade (No More Blues) - Dizzy Gillespie
Anybody remember Billy Eckstein? My goodness what a beautiful baritone he had, so masculine but so expressive, the guy was a stud muffin with the pipes.
Agua de Beber -- ACJ loved any water imagery and played with the musicality of water all the time, think about all the different rhythmic patterns water lends us, rain, the beach, a drippy faucet even.
The gem is Desafinado by the Goddess Ella which - now I can't corroborate this story - but a teckky in NYC told me the day our little band cut a Demo 20 years ago with Don Was producing, that Don & Walt used to audition singers with this song. It is brilliant, it's about how love is like singing harmony and that both people must needs tune their hearts to each other for the song to work - oh criminey, it's inspired, it's gorgeous, it's a song about singing. And when the lyric relates to singing out of tune -- Ella does just that, bending, leaving jagged edges and just toying with chromatics in the most artful and pleasing patterns -- in a way that only a great master of the vocal instrument would even try.
Then Aguas de Marcho is most delightful boy-girl duet since, "Baby It's Cold Outside," what fun, it's playful, it's sexy, and the singers actually kind of break each other up during the final bars, it's so spontaneous and flawed - two things we're not allowed to hear on records anymore, they're all so inhuman these new recordings.
And the masterpiece is Oscar Petersen playing "Wave," probably my favorite Jobim composition ever. It's not a song, it's like the ocean lifting you right up.
Before Donald's record comes out, you simply have to get this record, I wouldn't flog it if it weren't anything but brilliant, it is the PERFECT primer to the music of this genius songwriter. It is the ultimate summer song collection.
I gar-on-tee it'll put dip in your hip, some glide in your stride and if you can't dig you sure don't eat fried chicken on Sunday.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001EBX/qid=1116858309/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-2428710-0983246
Posted by: Gretchen, For some minor Fagen news, go to this link and scroll to posts 64-66. Apparently the word is out other places as well:
http://www.contemporaryjazz.com/dcforum/DCForumID9/2088.html
G
Posted by: father william, Boulderhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1489878,00.html
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, CaliPam! Bam-a-lam! U provision mi con thrill en mi bone structure when u habla this way! No tell Barna, she green con envy peen! Adios chica!
Posted by: Dr Paul, the office"Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."
If this is what had been going on a few months ago when I found the bluebook, I wouldn't have stayed a day. Please, let's get back to the SD discussion?
It's obvious that the shameless namecalling has quit. Is it really necessary to rant about who's fault it was for a week? I'm getting really, really sick of this. My subtle attempts at steering the board back to sanity failed, spare a few people who caught on. You all have your own opinions about who's right and it's obvious that none of you are willing to change your mind. For the sake of arguement, you're all right and we can leave it at that!
Carrack, does it even frikken' matter if Gretchen uses the board as a BLOG? It doesn't hurt anybody and always, by the rules, is "vaguely Steely Dan tangental". And Gretchen, maybe you should pause for a few seconds before posting to think about whether the SD song you heard on the radio is worth telling us about, and then tell us why it's any different from the other dozen that station played in the course of the day. I don't mind, but there are obviously people who do.
I don't see at all what's wrong with Steevee plugging for his tribute band. The people in the area like to hear when these events are, and the bluebook, where the fans in the area all hang out, seems like an ideal place to do so. Again, why it should bother anybody? If you don't like Steevee's posts about the band's touring dates, DON'T READ THEM. I don't give a shit about when his band plays, I'm almost 2000 miles away, but I don't mind at all that he tells us when it's all happening.
Gawd, and we can't blame our problems on the reason we all came here in the first place. If we can't act like adults (and I shouldn't have to act like an adult, I'm not one!) because Don and Walt haven't put an album out in 2 years, then that certainly says a lot about what kind of people we are.
For chrissake, I feel like an elementary school counselor!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we get back to the music?
Posted by: Little Wild One, It was a Monday, a day like any other dayQuery: could someone please enlighten us about the Aja band that is behind the July Danfest? I checked the website, not much info on who is in the band. Just wondering who I'm contemplating driving 16 hours to see.
I recently stumbled across a SD tribute band based in Houston. I think they've been perfecting their craft--their second public appearance is this Saturday. I'll try and check them out and report...or NOT.
HeyMike--good to hear from you. I've got another 10 years (+/-)here in Texas, but then, who knows. This all too mobile career...
Posted by: Gretchen, HellWhat you say makes sense, Joe. It's unfortunate that we have to resort to that, as a group of like minded, interesting adults with great musical tastes and knowledge, but the few spoil it for the many. Kind of like the political state of the U.S. Hopefully there will be something soon, but until then if the stage goes dark here it will leave an empty spot in a lot of peoples days. That is the price we have to pay for the few imbeciles who come in here to vent on people who are NOT the cause of their deep seated problems.
G
Posted by: SteveeDan, C'mon People now ... smile on your brother ...... everybody get together, try to love one another right now ...
I attempted to do just what you suggested. First was that Kulee Baba and Gershwin thread, ... then today was the differences between the different touring bands, and even to try to quell the negativity surrounding my band and the Steely Damned.
Ya can't blame a guy for trying.
One thing that I do believe very deeply though is that I think that it is OK to promote a Steely Dan tribute band's gig on a Steely Dan website. Some of you may have a different opinion which I respect. That's all I've got to say about it for now.
SHAMELESS PLUGGING ...
CATCH PRETZEL LOGIC LIVE ON
THURSDAY JUNE 2ND AT LA VE LEE IN STUDIO CITY AT 8 PM.
Bye for now.
SteveeDan
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, San QuentinSeriously...
All of this he-said, she-said banter has now gotten us to the breaking point as a group of like-minded, well-wishing friends...
I am suggesting a no-nonsense, group-imposed moratorium on this book...Let us all remain in the same state of daily checks for new news of SD/DF/WB and leave all else in the past...
Perhaps the Blue will move a little slower but we should all just take one step back and reflect on why we came here in the first place...
SOH
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfGretchen, I re-read your post, and this is utter tripe:
"insults like yours start flying that make this a disturbing place."
I didn't come close to ONE fucking insult sent your or W1P's way, ok?!? I am NOT the one posting under different anon handles every time out, so do some research first, alright?
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfBecause, Gretchen, as I stated in my post -- I come here all the time planning to post something, and am enervated by the tour dates and personal stuff that would surround my Dan-related post. And this isn't a recent phenomenon, I posted quite frequently until June of 2003, but that's when the board started going nuts with the "this is what happened to ME" yesterday junk. You can't blame that on Don and Walt, they were doing a whole lot to entertain us that summer.
I really don't think this board needs a pointless post between off-days to keep it moving, I'd rather suffer the silence then the chatty Cathy stuff. And I KNOW there are others like me, who simply slunk away the try to permeate this place with apropos of nothing Dan chatter.
So, I'll try, but not tonight. Still supposed to be "working" ...
Posted by: Eurasian Bride, back of the chryslerPaul Carrack, honestly, why rant so much? There's not a lot happening with SD right now that we KNOW about, it's just a group of people trying to keep conversation going because they like the camraderie. God knows we all want SD news, but in it's absence, why can't people discuss other music along with Steely Dan? It's when the mean spiritedness and insults like yours start flying that make this a disturbing place. So how about this: why don't you give us some SD related discussion topics to keep the party going until we get an update on the goings on of Donald's new release. Does anyone want to see this place sit dormant for days on end? Please, enlighten us with some intelligent conversation that will not spurn insults but instead provide some stimulation for very hungry fans.
Posted by: Gretchen, On the advice of a dear friend trying to find my inner M*****F*****Beau Bolero! They were based out of my old hometown Waterbury, CT. I saw them many times in college, they even performed at an arts festival the same night my old dance troupe did. They were good, in retrospect, and very devout Steely Dan fans, but not nearly as talented as Pretzel Logic.
South, you and I would probably remember a lot of those old obscure bands that came out of the Northeast back in our teenage/college years. Anyone remember Nantucket, Jasper Wrath, Eyes, Yesterday's Children,and a weird band named New England, to name a few?
G at 103 degrees
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Oh Please...............Hey...I'm not sure HOW many SD tribute bands the "club owner" has actually heard/booked in her life...All I did was quote the words that actually came from her lips...
I however HAVE heard a few SD tribute bands in MY life, including The Steely Damned, a great one from far too many years ago named Beau Bolero, an East Coast group named Royal Scam and others...Pretzel Logic can hold their own with any of the SD tribute bands that I have see...
Got three words for you...
It's ALL good...
SOH
Posted by: alan, DownunderWell said Pam.
You know I always thought the magic word was *SCROLL*
Posted by: Pam, Stuck to my new PowerbookI think we should blame all the sniping on this board on Don and Walt; they really need to give us something new to talk about :)
Somehow the off-topic stuff doesn't bother me half as much as the nasty bits; picking on the host is like being invited to a lovely party and then wiping your behind on their shower curtain.
I started reading the board for SD info, got hooked on Meal Reviewer ( I know a bunch of people HATED MR, but I honestly never laughed so hard in my life than I did at some of those posts), got swept up in the Raj/Gretch saga and still lurking. R&G are like SD characters; they'll probably end up in a song. They belong :)
This board is great info, entertainment and soap opera.
Maybe we should just take it for what it is, and let the hallowed Hoops handle the disrupters himself. Just try to have fun and enjoy the scenery.
Pam
Posted by: Paul, wearing the inside outJeez, I wish I had been around for any of those concerts. Unfortunately though, in '96 I was, what? 9? Yeah, that's about right. And by '03 I still wasn't into Dan enough to hitch a 200 mile ride to Chicago to catch the EMG tour.
Paul, right on. Of course, I'm a bit of a hypocrite by agreeing with you, but you're right in every way.
Keep it real or whatever, everybody. Have fantastic week.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI wasn't among the people bashing the ladies for posting the boring crap about their lives, but the reactions of Gretchen and W1P was telling. Not every poster here has acted like the asshole anons, posting under different names. Most slyly intimated and nudged, begging these people to cease with the personal stuff.
Instead of seeing the light, or starting to guess that these (several) people were onto something, Gretchen and W1P reacted like petulant kids -- their initial response was to get snippy and tell all of us about how they just weren't going to post here ever again. The martyr bullshyte didn't last long, as both returned within hours to post again.
COME ON. All we're asking is that you post about Steely Dan on a Steely Dan guestbook, or at least keep things music-related, while staying away from personal plugs. I involve SD in many aspects of my work at my website, where there are plenty of quotes and paraphrasings of their work in my articles. I even included a picture of Don and Walt in my last article. Still, I'm not here pimping every link I have on this site, begging others to go see my columns.
I can't imagine writing an article that included a quote from "Another Brick In the Wall," finishing it off and seeing it published -- and telling myself, "you know who would like reading this Pink Floyd reference? The cats at the Steely Dan message board!"
This doesn't mean W1P needs to pick up his ball and go home, and same goes for Gretchen. It just means, please, why not post about Steely Dan?
(I won't get into that other, obvious, aspect. The one that tells me that these two didn't come to this site to talk about Steely Dan to begin with, which makes their leaving -- of their own volititon -- all the more telling)
Nobody needs to "go away" (except for NYBill, he's an asshat and everyone knows it), you just need to respect the intentions of people who take the time to visit a STEELY DAN GUESTBOOK several times a day for Steely Dan talk.
Four or five times since the "Brazilian" rumors of Don's latest came up, I've come to the site to share my feelings, only to stop short -- knowing that my post will probably get lost among the noise. And the personal attacks on Jim just scream ignorance. Jim is an absolute gem of a human being who is a big reason why many of us are as big a Steely Dan fans as we are.
Sorry for ranting, I'm supposed to be working and I know this post isn't exactly well-written, but this is getting to be a joke.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Signing in ... Even StrangerI too prefer the original version of Sign In Stranger. The Don Grolnick piano parts throughout the song and that great solo are among my favorites in the entire Dan catalog. The original packs a bigger punch than the Alive In America version, but that horn break was an awesome sight to behold live.
The Steely Dan tours of '93, '94, and to some extent '96 were a little laid back with re-workings of various songs (Rikki Don't Lose That Number and Midnight Cruiser in 1996) where they demonstrated to the audience that they have progressed in their harmonic sensabilities. Their arrangements coupled added sophistication with more laid-back delivery. More jazz and less rock.
I loved every tour (yeah, big surprise), but I must say that when Michael Leonhart joined the touring band in 2000, it seemed that things just finally all came together the right way. Michael's sister Carolyn was on the 1996 tour along with John Beasley on keyboards, Wayne Krantz on guitar, and Bob Shephard on sax (and a 21 year old dynamo saxist named Ari Ambrose).
But in 2000, the band really transformed adding Ted Baker on keyboards, Jon Herrington on guitar, and Jim Pugh on trombone.
The major adjustment on the 2003 tour (as you all well know) was the addition of Keith Carlock on drums.
Tom Barney on bass and Cornelius Bumpus on sax were the only musicians who were on all of the modern era tours. What a long strange trip it's been.
Stevee(St. Stephen)Dan
Posted by: Paul, greenflower skywayThe title, "Orchids in the Summer Rain", would never have given that away...
Yeah, I agree with you on the AIA "Stranger", the change is cool, but I like the original better.
Posted by: Chrysler, PAA concept album about government conspiracies a la The X Files, inspired by his dad, put to a bossa beat. How cool is that!?
Re the AIA "Sign In Stranger," I don't know, either, why the change in the bridge's lyrics, but what really fascinates me is the reharmonization/rearrangement on that tune, and all the others, on the album (each to a lesser or greater degree). The reharm of the chorus in SIS is certainly interesting in its beboppy chromatic descent, but I still prefer the original-- I think it makes more of a harmonic impact. They shoudn't'a messed with it . . .
Posted by: Paul, greenflower skywayHere's a topic for dicussion that could prove distracting...
Which concept album succeeds more fully in accomplishing its purpose, The Nightfly or Kamakiriad?
With the Nightfly the concept of the album is implied, with Kamakiriad Fagen tells us (in the CD booklet) outright that in "Trans-Island" he gets a new Kamakiri and the rest of the album is about him cruisin'.
Did I hear/read correctly that Fagen's next album is also going to be a concept? What's up with that...? He must be turning into Paul McCartney or something. :)
Posted by: FACW , Synchronicity City Peter: I'm trans-posting this...well primarily because it was posted on the yellow at exactly the same time as your post. Weird
"What goes on in Vegas ...stays HERE.
2003: Walter & Donald provided a hilarious DVD with the taxicab lady and another great album. AND a fab tour...a smattering of interviews. Historically, this is as much or more as the artists have provided. Went on American Bandstand once, never hit late night Midnight Special or Carson - quit touring in 1974, interviewed largely to harrass the interviewer.
The hubub surrounding Two Against Nature was an ANOMALY in the Steely Dan lexicon: numerous TV appearances, a plethora of print interviews, an internet chat, warm smiles, occasional glimpses of honesty. Irving Azoff. Their first album in nearly 20 years.
A victory lap with 4 Grammys, R&RHOF, Berkelee.
...and then real terrorism, internet terrorism, Mark David Chapman wannabes
A new album, a real spark in the songsmithery...
This time around, fewer interviews, NO TV appearances, they just weren't into the star-making machinery this time around...
but a GREAT tour, where Walter and Donald really enjoyed themselves.
Everything Must Go: no digital, no Azoff, no promotion, no hits, no Grammys, limited access. It's more their standard MO
IT'S NOT ABOUT US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take a break - Get a life...or join a Star Trek/Wars convention!!
:rolleyes: :cool:
BTW, Sith rocks!
or pick up some William Gibson novels...or Debussy...or William Shatner's Has Been...
...while the iron is hot, Dr. Fagen is recording the Jobim-laced album Michael Franks wanted to make... What's not to like?
As far as Internet Terrorism. The internet began far before Al Gore in academe where like-minded profs found each other, shared data, ideas...in ways that travel and even the audio phone did not provide. Same on the public internet early when the Browers became dependable. Who else has even heard of Steely Dan in this cowtown?
Same early on in the internet - virtual communities where neighbors moved in and out. Then the whackos, the anons, the internet terrorists.
OK, sometimes it's fun throwing mudballs, but the sense of decorum lost in a shroud of anonymity and lack of non-verbal cues. the whacked out, the bitter, the meanspirited, even the dangerous
some wiser people drift away. some of us rubberneck
I'll admit it - I sometimes like to challenge people's thinking, especially if it's deeply rooted in the limbic system...a fallout of
the day gig? It beats kicking the cat.
[I'm not sucking up to StAl - but we've talked about it a bit]. In this medium, I believe that reveal of the i.p. address is a way of self-policing and mild coercion.
The threaded, log-in version works as well, let is more sterile I guess."
Posted by: SteveeDan, Back from behind the Orange CurtainTo my dear friends Rajah, Gretchen, South O'Ho, and Philippe - -
Thank you all for your kind words. It was great to see you guys as always. Thank you for making the trek on the treacherous Southern California freeway system on a Friday afternoon littered with accidents (it took me 2 hours to drive 35 miles, and it took the Logicians coming from the valley 3 hours to drive 50 miles - no lie !!!).
Truth be told, the May 20th gig was a little touch and go due to the fact that our drummer had to leave town unexpectedly due to a family emergency. The drummer who played the gig with us only rehearsed with us once 8 days prior to the gig and played a darn good 90 minute set with us. I was amazed.
I too could have been a little bit better prepared despite the fact that I have been playing these songs intensely over the past 5 years (not to mention 25 years prior to that), but I severely pulled out my back about a week ago and basically took it easy. No practicing whatsoever. There is something about an audience that takes over the spirit of a gig and off to the races we went. The crowd seemed to really enjoy the performance and yes, we will be returning there as soon as I can figure out when.
"Oh Please" - I too would agree with you that the club owner probably hasn't heard The Steely Damned. No doubt that they are one of the best SD tribute bands out there, who have been doing it for over 10 years. Bob Tedde & Co. are a great bunch of people. I had the fantastic experience of being asked to sit in with TSD a few years back at one of their gigs for the first of a 3-set TSD show. It was W1P who put me together with the band when their own keyboard player was unable to show up to the gig in time for their first set.
I would also like to note that during the show, Bob Tedde was kind enough to mention that I was "on loan" from my own Los Angeles based Sd tribute band and that many of the "Logicians" were in attendance. Tedde is a class act and a great guy.
That night I had the distinct pleasure of meeting face to face, St. Alphonso, Oleander, Ed Beatty, Miz Ducky, and a lot of other guestbook VIPs. It was a great evening. The drunken stupor that ensued at the conclusion of the gig was legendary but alas, decorum prohibits me from expounding upon the specifics surrounding that little bender ... All I will say is both our bass player and drummer were in "rare form" that night. I can say though that it was somewhat reminiscent of a Hunter S. Thompson romp through the evening. I felt a bit like Ben Fong Torres must have felt back in the day thinking "what is wrong with this guy ?!?".
We are having spectacular sunny (and hot !) weather today in So. Cal. I hope you all have had a nice weekend.
Stevee(back in traction)Dan
Posted by: PQ, BrooklynIf I may make a point, and I'm certain that at least on this first point of information both Jim and Pat would back me up 100%. It is this: in general, many, many, many more people read these boards than post on them. It appears there are perhaps 40 regular posters or so; if I had to guess I would say about 1500-2000 readers.
Therefore, if you make a post about the insignificant minutiae of your life and 5 or 6 people join in with you and continue the conversation, it may appear to you as if the whole board cannot breathe till the next installment. The reality is quite different - you're boring the piss out of fifteen hundred people. This is what caused the recent eruptions by Darren, Webster, the anon Jim mentioned from March, etc. Not everybody that reads the board shows up at every Danfest or is in chat every night.
I have personally met and hung out with probably 75% of the people that post here, but that doesn't mean I'm going to post about it every day. Jim and I hang out every time I'm in Chicago now - I don't come on "Thanks Hoops for the great time last night blah blah blah..." - fucking please. And what kills me is that Jim specifically mentions this in his rules. Right when you make a post it says Your Comments - Is It All About You?
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago, Illinoiswow..im just getting caught up on the drama. I was in Irvine on biz last week, catching some dan cover band action wouldve been nice--damn! Hoops, this place has given me more that I could ever give it. Stay the course (you love the Bush references I know!!) and keep up the good work.
LWO--looking for a job? In Chicago maybe??
Posted by: Oh Please......., South- So you think the "club owner" has actually heard/booked more than one SD tribute band in his/her life? Got three words for the owner and you....
THE STEELY DAMNED!!
Posted by: StAlphonzo, SeattlePrompted by Angel's comment on the yellow I just took a little time to read through a few weeks of postings. Jim is right to a certain extent, but I don't think the impact of the forums had much to do with the band backing away. It certainly had some impact but I believe the true reasons had more to do with the interaction with some of the lunatic fans through their own website, as well as the craziness that surrounded the circus of touring. And frankly, it was mostly the Yellow that would be to blame if any blame was due because I refused to reign in the madness. A decision I do no regret.
But what gets me is everyone knows the rules here. Jim has to be one of the nicest guys I've ever met through this wacky world we've created. Whenever he tries to steer the direction (moderate) he does so with a typically self-deprecating style that politely, gently informs the poster that he/she veering of track a bit. Whereas I'll tell you to go fuck yourself.
I do get tired of people bashing his website on the yellow, specifically when they attack Hoops' style. He doesn't deserve it. There is no one in dandom that works as hard as he does to provide a place where we can congregate and collaborate. We owe him the courtesy of acting like adults and respecting the spirit in which his forum is intended. If you want to act like a child, do so on the yellow. If you want to post dissertations on political extremism, do so on the yellow.
I also want to make clear my statement above has more to do with general concepts than specific posts/posters. Tribute bands, politics, self-indulgent postings are NOT the issue here. I want Angel to know that the bands lack of accessibility in 2003 was inevitable and natural and mirrors the way the internet has changed since 1993. In the beginning it was all so new and fresh. The comminutes seemed small and tightly knit, like it was our little secret. We all seemed excited by the fact we could finally gather with others that shared our passions. As the internet grew, so did the probability of asshole creep.
Gee, sounds like real life to me...
Posted by: 'Twas a Chrysler I Drove, thru the wild AllegheniesTrouble getting into the Blue again, the last two days. Something to do with Earthlink Accelerator. Why oh why did I bother with it . . .
Right-- the scabrous guerrilla posts are, in the end, just BORING. Get a life, jackballs.
Jobim-- In the 60s, as a wee lad listening to AM radio (when it was a far different animal than it is now), I was permanently tattooed on my aesthetic psyche with the dulcet strains of Bossa Nova. Remember when you could hear Stan Getz (and a whole lot of other True Artists, for that matter) on AM? Talk about "those days are gone forever . . ."
And that Fox of all Foxes, Astrud Gilberto-- just hearing one single phrase from her, and that's it-- I'm done, I'm gone, I'm melted into some kind of Dante-esque Vita Nuova (Bossa Nuova?). I was hit just as hard by her weird poppy stuff, the Walter Wanderly batchelor pad organ arrangements, et al.
Later on, learning guitar, I began to appreciate, in a more studied musical way, the ingenious rhythm, melody and harmony of the genre, i.e., the cool-jazz guitar adaptations of the samba by Joao Gilberto and the tunes of A. C. Jobim. Certainly it's not
difficult to understand the impact that melodic, harmonic, and formal genius, known as "Tom" to his compatriots, made on one Donald Fagen. Why did D keep it a secret for so long? Man oh man, I can't wait for that album . . .
Posted by: Little WIld One, -6 GMTHey, Ann. Not sure how the time difference matches up for you, but some night you should join the chat session. Having done a spell or two of insomnia, having a good laugh always makes me sleep better (eventually)! Click the addy and I'll give you more details.
Nice to meet you tonight, ss. More some other time when you are not being kicked out!
Posted by: Ann, BorneoChill Guys!!
Life is too short for strife - there's enough going on this world without in fighting amongst Dan people. Just remember the words from that famous guide for life "Desiderata":
"Avoid loud and agressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans."
If you want more:
www.hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html
Jim: your efforts are greatly appreciated out here in darkest Borneo. You help to keep me sane, so keep up with the good work!!!
Ann.........still not sleeping
xxxxxx
Posted by: El Mundo, Sirius or XM? I can't decide. Worth it? Any preferences?
Posted by: Little Wild One, surfing Monster.comThe only thing I can think of to say is the last time I saw a Battle of the Bands show, I was in high school. Seems to me that there is room in this place for everyone, but the main reason we come here is our love for the music of Steely Dan.
The rest of the stuff is just "French" benefits, but nonetheless very nice ones that we all enjoy. I think many of us take advantage of the graciousness of our host and SOMETIMES use this as a daily journal thing...maybe it's just that we connect on a very personal level. Maybe we feel understood here. I started to say safe and understood, but the safe part isn't so true any more.
At any rate, I wish those who have complaints could state them in a civil manner without unnecessary insults and if you do get your briefs in a knot, could you please vent in a more private setting.
Stevee, that was a very level headed post. Thank you. And the Martini Bar looked like a fabulous venue. Congrats.
Ah hell, BR you can see those damm Yankees another time. You, my friend, have been awol too long from our little picnics. Cinci is a few hours from my little town, but a LONG way from Tejas. Still I'm thinking of road tripping it a la famile (ugh). The Steely Dan memorabilia tease has my attention.
Hoopsie, I know how you feel....same kind of thing happened to me, only at work yesterday. Call me deconfused, but mostly hurt and angry. Or you can just call me...
Posted by: -1, Hoover
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Wow - this place is becoming a war zone....
Speaking of Pretzel Logic, the new Coldplay CD "X & Y" features a song called "Twisted Logic". Their summer tour is being called the Twisted Logic Tour. I'm curious if there is any SD influence in the tune. Comes out June 7.
The Yankees come to Fenway the weekend of the Ohio Danfest! Choices will have to be made...
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHello there, wish I could see a Pretzel Logic show one day, Steveedan was kind enough to send me a couple of cd's and it's very very close to the real thing .
Talking about something close to the real thing, I've just read the june issue of Mojo magazine, as always there is a mention to Steely Dan, this month it's in a review for the band Hal's first album:
"while Satisfied is Bacharah-style and What A Lovely Time is Steely Dan with a sun tan". I've just ordered a copy for me, anyone has heard them ?
Have a nice week end.*
Philippe
Posted by: Paul, spending the weekend not existingGretchen, glad to see you post. Don't let the petty insults of anonymous jerks get to you. Take care.
Posted by: Gretchen, won't do it without the stilettos onWell, congrats to Pretzel Logic and their successful first show in the OC. Rajah, South of Hollywood, and I enjoyed Steve and Co. immensely, and Alan, we missed you. Here's the set list, and I have to say the version of Aja was fantastic:
Reelin in the Years
Night By Night
King of the World
Babylon Sisters
Peg
Sign In Stranger
Rikki
Doctor Wu
The Fez
Aja
Fm
Josie
Bodhitsattva
Black Friday
Don't Take Me Alive
Kid Charlemagne
My Old School
Thanks again Steve.
A very enjoyable night. Great to See you again, South, let's definitely plan on that Jobim show at the Bowl.
And Scarf Man, I am absolutely flattered by your obsession with me.
G
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Leaving the OCAnyone offended or put off by "Tribute Band" reporting can just walk on by this one...
Just got in from catching another wonderful performance by SteveeDan and his Pretzel Logicians...Their first club venture (I believe) into Orange County (Martini Blues in Huntington Beach) was a smashing success, as witnessed by the club owner who, after the show, pronouced them "the best Steely Dan tribute she'd ever heard"...They were promptly being booked for a future date immediately following the gig...With seemingly little to no promotion for this show by the club itself (there was nothing mentioning the show on the club's website nor did I see any interior signage) the band played to a full room and an often full...wait for it...DANCE FLOOR! This appeared to please the vocal trio of Marc, Evan and Felice (oh, those boots...) to no end...Rajah appeared to be quite pleased with this as well...Always nice to hear the best music I know performed with such style and equally nice to spend a few hours with Gretchen, Rajah, Steeve and the crew...Thanks Pretzel Logic!
SOH
Posted by: PQ, NYCStill Sparklin - I would say the latest CD called Ha! is a good one. It's available on Amazon or the Magna Carta Records site.
Posted by: Still Sparkin, Tung Lo Wan
Moray...didn't know you were in the business. Drop me a line, my e-mail address is here today.
When I get a band I'm going to call it Hard Donut. Best name I've heard in years.
Peter Q...please give me an Oz Noy starter album suggestion.
Picked up the Kind o' Blue dual disc last week. The sound is fabulous...and like all superior recordings, you'll find new things in there.
Howard, I've found a piano. Notes on the way.
Posted by: Paul, ramblersWhat's the deal with the lyrics on the AIA "Sign In Stranger" bridge being different than the original song? I'ld love to hear the story behind the change, if anybody knows. Perhaps they just got bored and/or wanted to throw us for loop...
Posted by: Paul, ramblersYou're right, I did quote incorrectly. In that case, any serious Steely Dan fans need to get a life! But that includes me.
Posted by: PQ, NYCPaul..."serious about Steely Dan" and "taking Steely Dan seriously" are not synonymous. Quote well if you quote.
Posted by: FACW, This Day in HistoryIf there's one scientific breakthrough more important that a Universal playe,r it is this:
Send in the Clones:
http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.asp?ssid=28&aid=218286&newsid=ENV
for University subscribers:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/308/5725/1096?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=hwang&searchid=1116623246200_104&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0
Woo Suk Hwang of South Korea has pioneered the first human cloning for the specific production of embryonic stem cells
This train has left the station.
Posted by: Paul, ramblersAnyone who takes Steely Dan seriously is wrong. "Everyone's Gone to Movies" or "Rose Darling" are proof enough of this fact.
Posted by: Rajah, The Cotillion Dance is coming up shortly and I need a date. How do you look in a French Twist or do ya just love to Limbo ducky?
The search continues, that much is clear, it's tough to know the right dynamic for the new frontier.
Roget's mutually exclusive terminology:
"Serious"......and ......"Steely Dan fans"
Aw heck, Pidgeons, let's close this Freaky Friday out with a Board Prayer, shall we?
[Cue organ music]
"Dear Lord of All Things Vinyl, please protect and preserve us from serious Steely Dan fans, be they cosmic muffins, finger snappers, hairy thunderers, or Anons with a lotta fuckin attitoo and not too many brain synapse sequences to clog things up. Preserve and protect our Social Register from the Fun Police so that we might live to better serve and, along the way, smell the flowers while continuing to bang the skulls of things undead, amen."
Have a nice weekend you beautiful people, rock on with your main man.
Posted by: El Azul Amarillo -- Steely Dan & Beyond, MySpaceWell I've taken my ball and gone home. I've created a group on MySpace for discussion of Steely Dan and Beyond. Here's the URL, feel free to join. I need to return to wallowing in my melodrama
http://groups.myspace.com/BlueYellow
Posted by: SteveeDan, On the Gig Launch PadTo Hoops and Rajah -
Very elequently said. I really don't mind if people take shots at me, I get a lot of great information from this website and I have made a lot of great friends here. Nothing can minimize this for me.
Some of the venues we play in these days can hold around 90 people. It's a small room, but the crowd is fantastic. It's a total party atmosphere. B.B. King's can hold over 500 people, but it's an uncomfortable venue. We got nearly 200 people to see us there, but I didn't enjoy the gig due to the bad management of the club and the horrible sound system.
Then there are the outdoor festivals that we play each season. Thousands of people mill through our gigs at these shows. Despite the "critical mass" of this non-stop parade of humanity, I still prefer the smaller venues because of the better connection with the audience.
My goal is to stay as busy as possible. It's been hard work, but it has started to pay off. I love playing Steely Dan music live. It is a huge thrill. The rest of it is window dressing in comparison.
My only comment to the nan-sayers here is in the form of an olive branch - - - If you were to come and see my band Pretzel Logic play I am fairly confident that you would have a great time. And you are all cordually invited to attend. By the way do Austrialian citizens count as people who are willing to travel long distances to Los Angeles to see my band ? How about Connecticut ? San Diego ? Ventura County ? Yosemite ? In truth, none of this really matters. Please come and enjoy yourself if you want to.
Time to load up the wagon for tonight's gig in Huntington Beach.
Have a great weekend everyone.
SteveeDan
Posted by: PQ, NYCJim, actually in my two March 7 posts made at 16:30 and 18:52 I defended you (without knowing it was you, because *you* posted anon) against the anon flamer.
I must say, however, I find the way Steely Dan is spoken about here sometimes - not all the time, but sometimes - as if we were discussing national security secrets is fucking hilarious.
Given that, when I made the Weekend Diarist post you cannot deny I hit the nail on the head. When 5 or 6 people turn a board like this into their own private social register it's time for anyone who's serious about Steely Dan to check out.
Posted by: moray eel, coverI'd be interested in shooting the Cincinnati show. I could come in with a two camera set-up. If I could get the audio off of the board, it might be a nice little combo.
m.e.
Posted by: hoops, I actually went on vacation today for a few days. I decided I was going to take a break (last looked at the Digest about 7 PM last night). As I am packing up the NYTFLY to go on a trip I get a call from Pete that something terrriibble is happening on the blue. I'm between ISPs at home so the nearest connection at the moment is at work! So here I am at work!
Turns out the junk about prescriptions earlier was by the same kinda poster as the cigarette poster a month or two ago. Person probably doesn't even know who SD is. Not even involved in the insults. Just a coincidence like the cigarettes dealer.
I won't go through all the explanations as you can go back to April when I did explain why we use this format, the benefits of the anons, etc but I have a request that many of you continue to ignore, even after I have explained on the phone to some of you who still don't help me.
That is when someone comes on ball busting, ignore them. I will be along soon enough and delete or at least the "ball breaker won't get the audience they want so much.
When Rajah wrote:
"Ball-breakers have to be vastly entertaining."
Yes, and by giving them an audience with replies from so many of you, they probably are enjoying it.
And Gretchen...sorry about the rude posts. I would have editted it out, but now since so many have replied, I don't know how to edit all the responses so they make sense. I wish people would have ignored as the poster would have gotten the opposite of what they wanted. I'm sure Gretchen and PeterQ and other will recall back in March, I posted as an anon (for good, sincere reasons I explained a few days later) some tid bits about the Hawaii gig with DF and TR. (This was when I was really sick but made it to Kinko's with a high fever.) And the response I got was an anon and PeterQ slamming me about how clique-ish it was for this anon to post this. I was sick and even more devastated to be slammed by that anon like that. Anyhow, now you know I share your pain.
Anyhow, today I was on my way to driving to southern Illinois for a picnic with Moonflower this morning and thanks to a few of you, that's cancelled. My vacation day is shot. You know, you people talk about DVD-A and SACD and the fact is I don't own one. Can't afford it. When I heard about all this commotion today and had to check in, I felt unappreciated. Some of you will laugh at this, but I spend a lot to make sure we have a good, reliable host for dandom and the blue, etc. You probably think I am sucker but I spend enough that I *could* buy a decent DVD-A and SACD setup *each year.* Instead I spend it on the site. You people who arrogantly act like asshole geusts on this guest book need a kick in the ass and crack in the face. You types would be too chickenshit to do this in person. Thanks for ruining my day and weekend.
If you really care about the SD, the blue and want to support it, you'll act like a decent person, and when someone doesn't, help by ignoring them and posting about SD.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, It's a must, O Prince of Flip-Flops, book 'em and bring yer overnight bag and/or current girlfriend, whichever comes first.
[rim shot]
Thank you.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Slipping into a flak-jacketRajah...
As you are well aware, my Jobim flag has been flying as long as you've known me, amigo...And speaking of Jobim, shall we all make plans to go see Daniel and Paulinho Jobim at The Bowl in August?...Check this show out...
Celebration of Jobim
Jazz at the Bowl
Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 8:00 PM
http://www.hollywoodbowl.com/tix/performance_detail.cfm?id=2238&back=%2Ftix%2Fseries_jazz.cfm%3B
And check this CD out as well...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TCNQ/qid=1116611019/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-5302379-5510356?v=glance&s=music
Jeez...I hope this post is tangetially-related to...to...to...well, something!
SOH
Posted by: Rajah, Bass - sorry to launch off onto Golden Memory Lane on everyone but some of the pettiness and bile around here just made me snap this morning. We are so much better than that. I'll be dangerous until I calm down.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKScarf Man:
Your rudeness is exceeded only by your ignorance.
Size,understandably, appears to be of great importance to you.
Go play on the highway, there's a good kid.
Rajah:
Well said my man. Some of my most endearing memories, gig-wise, relate to some very "select" gatherings. LOL
Posted by: PQ, NYCThat quote is from Will Lee, and it is on the page about Oz on the Magna Carta records website. Jazz World said "If you can imagine Jeff Beck meets John Scofield in James Brown's band, you might start to get the idea."
Posted by: Rajah, Ball-breakers have to be vastly entertaining.
Posted by: Wondering, PQ--Who's quote is that?
Posted by: Rajah, Thank you, Peter.
Posted by: PQ, NYCOz at the Potato in LA tonight! In Oz's band Monday night Keith and Anton drummed together on about half the numbers, on the other half one or the other sat out. Ditto with Will Lee and James Genus on bass. Both bassists brought the house down, James when he scatted the notes of his solo as he played and Will with that crazed jumping thing he does. On the opening number Will Lee and Anton Fig alternated parts of the song with James Genus and Keith Carlock and the crowd went bozo!
If you don't have Oz's new CD Ha! What is you waiting for? You kow what they say, "Oz Noy is to the guitar what Jaco was to the electric bass."
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.fife honey, the blue-meanies who post here don't give a damn about Donald's new record, they just wanna hear the Kid Charlemagne guitar solo over and over.
BTW, if I was a member of Cincinnati's Pretzel Logic ensemble, I sure wouldn't appreciate some of the stuff plastered up here. I'm sure those folks are fine players with a good splash of humility about what they do...cause playing Steely Dan tunes keeps you humble about your proficiency as a player.
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehMy My people are getting testy, Donald you had better put your CD out soon or there will be mayhem.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Scarf-Man, I played Hamlet in front of 63 kids in 1976 in a Utica NY 5000 seat old Vaudeville house on a day three feet of snow fell in the Upstate NY snow-belt. A little girl wrote me a poem about how much she loved it. I still have that little scrap of paper and count it amongst my most prized possessions. You remind me of a person who knows the price of everything and the value of absolutely nothing. Congratualations on the dreary architecture of your soul.
Next?
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Jay Graydon did perform that Peg solo with the Mighty Dr. Wu Band at one of the more memorable gigs I've ever seen at the Whisky in 20 years a few years ago. Fabulous. But he didn't nail it, it's impossible to do live, he even said later he didn't remember what he did on the record very well until a couple rehearsals and as we've discussed here, the consensus is that the Peg solo is not a continuous performance, inevitably, there are punch outs. I have heard one guitarist deft enough to come close to the original in one go and that's LA's Pretzel Logic's Mark Vincent, a great rock guitarist.
Lend an ear for a second, ladies and gentlemen, I won't take up much of your time. What the devil is this mean-spiritedness going on here? Good lord, what on earth are we going to talk about in these large expanses of fallow periods between new music from our 2? Dear sweet Jesus, I've been waiting days for one fucking Jobim fan to raise a flag. Or is it just plain small-mindedness and malice upon which a certain sect in here wishes to dwell?
If you saw W1P, you'd be floored by their proficiency and style. Mr. Parsons was...and he recorded DSM. I've never been a PF fan...until now. Every place we've seen them has been packed to the rafters, if there exists a hotter Tribute Band in America today, I'd be shocked.
I wish more people would review the shows they attend. Those for me are the best posts.
I am informed and believe that from time to time SD players, staff, including engineers, stop in here. Which is great. Frankly, if a bunch of folks who loved my work congregated in a place like this, I'd be checking in everyday not only because I love to feel large volumes of heated air pumped up my poodle-skirt but also cause this would be my bedrock fanbase, the people who appreciate what I'm doin, who support me and who put the porridge in my good copper pans.
Finally, a word about Los Angeles, California: this is one tough town. The people who gravitate here are amongst the most adventurous, open and creative people I've ever met, folks for the most part who have been around, who've stepped out onto that ledge, who've thrown out their gold teeth. They're also very screwy. Goes with the turf.
For myself, I can only offer respect and support for all of you who stop in here from every corner of the globe, our friends in Europe (Great Britain included!), the far East, Downunder of course, and all the cities and towns on and above our fruited plains. May all your endeavors prosper, I love hearing about your Foghat Tribute bands playing in Harrisburg, PA, seriously. That's just me.
But I can't suffer fools, tools and morons who dart into the room, shoot off a few spitballs and creep, creep, creep away. That in my mind is even worse than one of the Rajah's interminable and rambling posts, saints preserve us.
So, OK punks, attack the people I love and respect, but remember: it's cheap...but it's ain't free Mesrrs. Webster, Cold Darren, Jethro Tull, no flys, the dot, Observer, the Fabrianis or whatever you happen to be calling yourselves at any time. The names change, the stench of defficiency and decay remain the same.
We return you now to your regularly scheduled board, long may it waive. I hope we're not entering one of our Hundred-Post Wars.
Spam by underground Rx seller deleted.
Posted by: Scarf Man, Danbury, CTGretchen- Look who's calling the kettle black! You're the biggest offender of going "off topic" here. 90% of you post are about you personal life or telling us that Crosby Stiils and Nash are playing at the House Of Blues in LosÝAngles. I mean if had to post how every time I was sitting in my car in traffic and Steely Dan came on the radio I'd be posting every six minutes. You've been living in LA for barley six months and you're already complaining about it. See you back in CT soon, I'm sure.
Steeve Dan.... I was in chat the other night and hear the venues you play have a capacity of 75 people. How do you fit in all those hundreds of people that come to your shows? I hear the guys in Cincy might have to change venues because the Ramada's hall only holds 500 people and they're excepting over 600. Oh and by the way, I also heard in chat that the special guest for the Aja band in Cincy is going to be Keith Carlock. Say hello to Rickey Lawson for me.
See you all on July ....the chili is on me!
SM
Posted by: Gretchen, This place is no longer about SD, it's about slinging anon insults. I'm out of here.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfMy favorite part:
"They did not have a name at the time and used a Unimax 5000 computer system to help them come up with a title.
The computer spewed out hundreds of would-be band names including the likes of Penis Whip, The, Ocular Fibrillator, Thorax and Hard Donut.
But both Becker and Fagen had been fans of William Burroughs's controversial novel Naked Lunch and decided to name their fledgling band after the steam-powered, metallic sex aid alluded to in the book."
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfTried to post this on the Yellow, but was told it contained "invalid words." I guess "Steely" and "Dan" aren't allowed. Anyway:
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=15448045&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=steely-dan-name_page.html
Posted by: jillyreso, Did Jay Graydon play with the Doctor Wu band at the Whiskey
Posted by: moonlight, Gretch. LA is a great big freeway put 100 down and buy a life
Posted by: SteveeDan, Underneath a stack of signed performance contractsKeep your cool Cold - -
How itís done ... indeed.
I think itís great for Tom Barney to be sitting in with Aja. When I met with Tom backstage at the Universal Amphitheater after the concert we had a nice long talk about things, one topic was in regards to the various people in my band whom he has worked with on other projects. Drummer Ricky Lawson came out to see us last month. He had a great time and stayed way past closing to hang out with us. His band plays there (La Ve Lee) too. Les McCaan was there too. Now I know that heís not Steely Dan related, but, hey not all music heavy weights are.
Jay Graydon (he played the famous "Peg" solo) has seen us, and I have spent some time with í96 tour keyboard player John Beasley. If I were to tally up all of the famous people who various people in the band (including myself) have worked with over the years, it would rival the vast and impressive list of recordings that Victor Feldman played on in his amazing career. By the way, did you know that Victorís son is our bass player? Heís also an amazing pianist, like his father was. When the band played at B.B. Kingís last month, the room had a few celebrities in the crowd. Weíre talking Los Angeles, not Cincinnati.
By the way, Pretzel Logic will be playing on Sunday July 17th as well. Weíre very busy this summer season. Is it possible to upstage another band from a different city ? Not in my opinion. If your definition of a handful of people is a couple of hundred then you have a grotesquely large hand. And finally Cold, itís no coincidence. I post about almost every gig that I play here on the Blue. Even you might agree that itís "Steely Dan related", but agreement from you is not what Iím after. Civility, however, would be nice, but I will leave that decision up to you.
Webster, I invited you to contact me directly if you should feel compelled enough to do so, Iím sure that you can figure out what my e-mail address is. If you post any further about me on the Blue itís for yourself that you do it. Not for me. Itís just bad behavior. There will be no bantering here from me. I have no interest in it.
I'll respond to the Kulee Baba Fagen/Gershwin connection later.
Have a great weekend everyone.
SteveeDan
Posted by: moonlightinvermont, Gretch .LA is a great big freeway. Put 100 down and buy a life girl
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfAh Christ, W1P, don't be so melodramatic about it, it's a bloody message board. I was just wondering if you could at least limit the tribute band posts to SD bands, and not Floyd-Floyd-Floyd every time.
Just heard "Change of the Guard" (of all unrepresentitive Dan songs) on a syndicated sports show.
Posted by: W1P, Got Lost AngelesJust one comment before I go -- when I posted information about the Steely Damned and Aja Vu (for you nitpickers, bands I have nothing to do with and posts that have zero to do with Pink Floyd), I got no response.
Posted by: W1P, LAOK folks, I understand English and can take a hint. It was nice knowing you
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfEven if W1P was coming here to plug Sheer Heart Attack (I like the band, and I'm a HUGE Queen fan), I'd be turned off. It's one thing to talk about bands outside of Steely Dan, but it's another to plug non-stop a tribute band playing songs from a dinosaur act that sounds nothing like Steely Dan. A couple posts are ok, but for every show? Ick. I'm sure W1P is a great guy, couldn't he lay off just a little with the plugs?
I met a guy at another site that has nothing to do with music earlier this spring, and he mentioned that his favorite band/act was Donald Fagen. Not Steely Dan plus Don, but DF on his own. He says he got into "Nightfly" when it came out, loved the Rock and Soul disc, and adored "Kamakiriad." To top that, he says he can take or leave SD, that he only has a couple of albums, and rarely listens to him.
This blew me away, on several levels. One of which -- could you imagine your favorite artist only having two solo discs availible?
Posted by: no flys, on anyoneG.
I agree that they are not creeps,but the shilling is over the top.
I didn't start coming here for PINK FLOYD Tribute updates incessantly
My 2 cents
Posted by: Gretchen, I forgot one thing.......W1P is not a creep, either. Both Stevee and Dan are both greatly talented and the nicest people I've met in LA.
G
Posted by: Gretchen, So Cal but noreaster at heart and always will beStuck on the 710 this afternoon in the always glorious LA traffic (another bonus to living here) I was surfing radio stations and came upon "Hey 19." At the end of the song the announcer proclaimed this was from the "groundbreaking masterpiece," Gaucho. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I guess. Anyway, life is too difficult for bickering, can't we all get along? It's shouldn't be like the East Coast West Coast rap wars, you know. So, to break the monotony of negativity, what is everyone listening to these days?
And Stevee is not a creep.
very tired G
Posted by: Rajah, Valid criticism.
Posted by: Blue Eyes, What a wind-bag...
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I read from time to time comments to the effect that arguing about music is pointless. While I would agree that arguing about taste in music or anything for that matter is pointless, the objective standards by which all human endeavor is rated, adjudged and categorized is and at its best should not be arbitrary, personal and random. There is a history of literary, dramatic, musical and perfomance criticism stretching back to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. There have been written thousands upon thousands of volumes of criticism of all the arts, some of it more insightful I daresay than the work itself, as criticism is an art in and of itself and one of the most enduring op ed formats in the history of the written word. It follows then that some opinions are more studied than others, perhaps more valid than others' and certainly more respected than others'. We stand on the shoulders of those incisive individuals who came before us whose opinions we have come to respect a lot and maybe trust a bit.
My opinion of Ben Hur does not and should not carry the weight of a Pauline Kael, longtime movie critic of the New Yorker; my opinion of 20th century poetry does not carry the same weight as Ezra Pound editor of the Wasteland; my opinion of legitimate theatre would not carry the weight of a John Simon, late of the NYT. I think you get my drift here: some folks' opinions are more informed than others' and if you're paying attention at all, you should be able to discern the difference between criticism that is really nothing more than caprice, predilection and prejudice and that opinion which is informed, studied, sober and as objective as possible.
I leave it to you, dear Dandom, to connect these *dots* in light of some of the foregoing posts.
Posted by: Webster, not southern Cal (thank God)Cold,
Right on brother! W1P has (Roger) water on the brain, and Stevie Dan? Well, that's a whole other story. Must be something in theÝwater in the So.Cal area.
See you in Cincy!
The Web Boy
p.s. Remember...creeps stick together.
Posted by: NO FLYS, ON MECold
Your so right.
Posted by: Jethro Tull, Thick As A BrickHoops... some people ( W1P ) just don't understand plain old english.
Posted by: hoops, The latest EQ (June 2005) is out and on page 30 Elliot Scheiner talks about recording Bernard Burdie on "Gaucho."
Dragon:
Cold Darren: I'm going to have to agree with you about the overload of Pink Floyd tribute posts. The only way I can deal with it is that W1P has a complusion, an illness like alcoholism, only it's about talking about Pink Floyd tribute bands.
Look, I am glad we can talk about other music, but keep a rein on the self-indulgence or get help. I'm going to blunt here, the kinda crap I'm complaining about is why SD staff told myself, Pat and others they wouldn't waste their time with GBs, websites, etc. anymore. One huge reason they did a lot less on the web for the '03 tour.
Posted by: The Dragon, Paul - ONLY a DVD-Audio player will play DVD-Audio. I am talking about the high resolution DVD-Audio portion of the disc. Yes, you can still play the disc on any DVD player, but you will only be hearing the low resolution DTS/DD/stereo that is included on the disc for machines not equipped to decode DVD-Audio. But if you are talking about "DVD-Audio", you need a player that plays DVD-Audio. BIG difference.
And you are wrong again, this is very on topic with Steely Dan. You haven't experienced this band if you haven't heard them in DVD-Audio. And I would hate to see someone purchase your recommended DVD-video player expecting to hear DVD-Audio.
Posted by: Cold Darren, Enough already! First of all, W1P, this is a Steely Dan guestbook. If you want to post about Steely Dan, fine, but from what I've seen, 99% of your posts are nothing but plugs for a Pink Floyd tribute band. You know, you might get better results posting this to a Pink Floyd guestbook. I mean, that's great that Alan Parson's mixed sound for you, and I would agree that was worthy of a post, but what makes you think that people reading a Steely Dan guestbook want to know every single Pink Floyd tribute show in L.A.? Forget about the fact that 99% of us live nowhere near there.
And, Stevee Dan, if you really want to know "how it's done", take a lesson from the Cincy guys. They have managed to put together something that is interesting enough to attract people from all over the country who are willing to travel to (of all places) Cincinnati. Hell, even Tom Barney's going! Your gigs seem to draw only the handful of people from here that live in California. I would hardly say that's "how it's done".
What a coincidence that you and W1P come out of the woodwork to post your tribute band gigs immediately following the announcement(s) of the Cincinnati thing. It looks to me like a jealous attempt to upstage.
Posted by: Ann, Borneo and can't sleepChrysler: re-Cream, see my posting 3rd May
Ann (suffering insomnia)
Posted by: Ann, BorneoNice to know that all you intellectuals out there can get your dose of stimulation in Cincinnati this summer - while the best we poor folks down in S.E.Asia can get is American Idol. I don't suppose you guys would be interested in such mainstream stuff, but after watching it for the last couple of days, I'd say, move over Michael McDonald - Bo Bice has arrived!!!
Posted by: W1P, Santa Ana (winds again)Steeve, you're a "funny" guy but not creepy in the least! It's gonna be HOT weather for the Orange County tribute shows this weekend! With W1P at the Galaxy in Santa Ana, here come those Santa Ana winds again!
Posted by: More Info, Cincinnati, OhioSTEELY DAN FEST '05
Sunday, July 17, 2005
Ramada Plaza
11911 Sheraton Lane
Cincinnati, OH 45246
Doors open 4:00 PM
AJA performs 6:00 PM
So outrageous! AJAmusic is proud to present the first annual Cincinnati area Steely Dan Fest. We invite you to come celebrate ëall things Daní with a memorable day of music and more!
Highlights include:
A performance by AJA - A Tribute to the Music of Steely Dan
You got to shake it baby! AJA recreates the sounds of one of rock's most legendary and enigmatic bands with stunning precision and energy. The joint will be rockin' to all the Dan classics from Reelin' in the Years to Hey Nineteen and beyond. This 10-piece ensemble features former members of Pretzel Logic and includes some of the Cincinnati areaís finest jazz, rock and session musicians. No static at all!
Special guests
Tom Barney - Bassist extraordinaire for Steely Dan since 1993
Pete Fogel - Editor of the Steely Dan fanzine Metal Leg
Jim "Hoops" McKay - "custodian/enabler" of the Dandom Digest and its companion website www.dandom.com.
And surprise special guest!!!!
A chance to win an autographed guitar
Screening of rare Steely Dan performances
Tons of Steely Dan memorabilia to giveaway
For more information please visit www.ajamusic.net. Tickets go on sale Monday, June 13 at 10:00 AM online at www.ajamusic.net - $17 in advance, $20 day of show. An AJAmusic Production.
Posted by: Rajah, I hear strong resonances of George Gershwin in Donald and Dan's work, first of all in their urban orientation, the sound of the metropolis, be it NYC, LA, Paris, pulses of the big city are in those neo-classical and altered blues progressions, vestiges of a ragtime type of cadence, and yeah, those "loping" chords that trail off into air ala Kulee Baba and Rhapsody. I think of Babylon Sisters and Summertime and sense that same laconic feel of a blistering hot day.
Brother Ira wrote some very drippy lyrics on My Sweet Embraceable You, Our Love is Here to Stay, two of the Rajah's favorite old fashioned love songs, Foggy Day in London Town and Fascinatin' Rhythm have some very smooth changes goin on in their bridges (so Donald). Love Walked In, The Man I Love, I Got Plenty of Nothin', Swanee (great song), Somebody Loves Me -- his use of the chromatic scale kicked pop music in the behind. The music itself is timeless and if we apply some historical perspective and manage to suspend our own 2005 sesibilities, the craftsmanship of the narratives also shows through. The craftsmanship in the music is obvious, and like Steely Dan being the gateway drug back to jazz, Gershwin did that same thing for Mozart, Chopin, Stravinsky, Beethoven even.
What floors me about Gershwin was how this Jewish city boy took to the Blues idiom, Ira too - check the lyric to I Loves You Porgy- and altered and reworked the burgeoning form so seamlessly with all those symphonic touches. Jacob and Israel Gershowitz were innovators, shape shifters, in the vanguard of modern songwriters bridging the cultural musical gap between white people and black people which was no mean feat in 1916 for two nice boys from Brooklyn. Throw Back the Little Ones, YGT II, Victor Feldman's piano on I Got the News, so Gershwin.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKSD:
You are more than welcome my friend. Pleased to hear things are going so well PL-wise too.
Posted by: Still Sparkin, The Fragrant Harbour
Stevee...I'm interested in your Kulee Baba/Gershwin connection. I really love the KB chords and the way DF sings on that demo...how do you see Gershwin in there.
Actually, in recent days I've been seeing some of the SD catalogue as well suited to musical theatre. This must have been a thread here in the past, so I won't go on at length. But Sign in Stranger...Everything Must Go...Aja...???
Posted by: SteveeDan, Creepin' AroundHey Pink and BassicI - Thanks for clarifying things for Webster. It's nice to know you guys have my back. And now that I think about it, this means that the guys who are taking the music of Pink Floyd to the people are looking out for me. Very nice, very nice indeed. Have a cigar please.
Now Webster - I didn't mean to creep you out, that's too bad. Sorry the Floyd boys came down on you so hard. We're all promoting something after all.
Rajah - I agree with you about Aja being a "Rhapsody In Blue" of sorts. Aja is for The Dan what Rhapsody could be considered for Gershwin, but, it could also be argued that Porgy & Bess, or An American In Paris, or even Concerto in F could all be considered Magnom Opii (opuses ?) for George G. I love the three Preludes (by the way, there are more than 3, but the most popular ones are the "three"). Those preludes are very challenging to play, but beautiful. What an amazing composer, and he did it all, died, and went to heaven by age 37.
I have a personal belief of a Fagen - Gershwin connection and it is specifically with the tune "Kulee Baba". This song (especially in the solo piano demo) just reminds me a lot of Gershwin. It's those chords Fagen uses. Oh well, enough rhapsodizing about this stuff, I have some more creepy promoting to handle right now.
Stevee(The Creeper)Dan
Posted by: Frank, there's no returnRajah, you were turning 23 and you just started to listen to my records??? Wassamatta you gotta sawdust for brains? You shoulda stayed *wood* kid.
And we've very glad to hear that Ronald Fagen is finally gettin with it and addressing the Jobim legacy.
Maybe next he'll try flying us to the moon.
Posted by: Rajah, I was just shy of my 22nd, 29 inch waist, full head of floppy blonde curls and a wank of steel. Memories...
Aja could also be a woman, indeed. In any case, it represents a haven.
Posted by: gnome, hillAja is a lady
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKRajah:
Fooled me, you boundah!!
You were 26 when Aja was released - 1977 n'est ce pas?
Must be the easy life you've lived ever since that has preserved your chiselled features and youthful exuberance?? LOL
Posted by: PQ, MiamiI'm only going to Cincinnati if the person who hit me in the neck with a cocktail shaker at the Lizard Lounge Dannys goes. You know who you are, silly little freak! And did Will Lee do that pogo stick hopping thing he does when he played with Fagen?
Posted by: Rajah, Bassy-baby, don't let this boyish facade fool ya, I'm on the thither side of a half century. '54 to be exact, also a good year for Strats.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKWebster: You know that "inferiority complex" you were diagnosed with?
Bad news - judging by your attitude, it's not a complex at all.
Rajah: Didn't realise you were of such a fine vintage. '55 was a very good year, wasn't it? LOL
Posted by: Rajah, What I hear in Aja is a musical composition which juxtaposes the dreamy, placid natural settings of the "up on the hill" verses where the narrator is enjoying the calm, understated environs of that place, real or imagined, i.e., the banyan trees, the angular banjos, all the dime dancing (workin for money) is put aside, in that place called, "Aja." Then come those strident, very busy musical passages where we get a sense of motion, moving fast, I hear big city traffic, the police whistle, those triplets on the marimba driving the pace of bigtown. Tranquility keeps returning in the music, calming back down to life on "the hill." The two drum breaks toward the end again remind me of rush hour in Manhattan or the LA Freeway. This guy's life pinballs back and forth between this calm, bucolic Asiatic (maybe a Big Sur Zen garden) setting and the break-neck city pace. I note that the song trails off in the midst of that urban drive, the cacophony of the drums incessantly interrupted by the crash cymbals -- and that Theremin-sounding sci-fi wailing as it drifts down the boulevard reminding the person in the cab, the car, the bus or the subway of his experience on the "hill," inevitably changing his view of his city life forever.
This song is certainly Steely Dan's crowning achievement in terms of composition. It rivals Gershwin's, Rhapsody in Blue, in my mind as one of the GREAT pieces of urban music, it captures the tactile sense of living and making your way in the American city of the late 20th century, yearning the while for the peace and tranquility up on some hill, far away from it all.
I was about 22 when it came out and so over the pre-fab pop that will always be with us it seems, the hard rock, the very busy fusion scene taking off and that damned disco which of course no one took seriously but, dadgummit, it was just all in your face every second from about 74 to 78. It's when I started to listen to Sinatra's old stuff, be-bop Miles, Mose, Ella, Jobim
Aja transcends all other Steely Dan songs, it's a spiritual journey which captures this dichotomy of our day-to-day urban lives where just getting from point A to point B is a load, leaving very little room for self-reflection or exploration of our spiritual lives and that place, real or imaginary, where we can hear our own heartbeat, this miraculous and finite existence of ours, the place we run to.
Posted by: W1P, La Ve LeeThis is how Shameless Plugging is done. Nothing creepy about it. Unless it was for a Nirvana tribute band called Negative Creep or a Radiohead tribute band called Creep
Posted by: Paul, showing films in the denEr, I wasn't proven wrong, but whatever. I merely stated that the discussion was pointless because it relates to Steely Dan about as much as The Wizard of Oz does to Pink Floyd. Sure, DSM syncs up with it rather creepily, but on a PF discussion board that wouldn't warrent a discussion about archetypal analysis of the movie. Just as the fact that there are Dan albums in DVD-A format does not warrent an in depth discussion about players on the bluebook. Just trying to stay on topic.
Posted by: Webster,
StevieeDan,
This is how "what is done"? I've never met you before but you really seem like a creep.
Paul,
The discussion wasn't "rather pointless" until you were proven wrong. Funny how these things work.
Posted by: Paul, showing films in the denThank you FACW. And ditto Carrack.
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Mizar5There'll be a Rickie Lee Jones Anthology, a 3cd box set called "Duchess of Coolsville" in June and it will also include a 32-page book(let) with writings from Walter Becker... Not sure whether it's something that's already been published years ago with the release from the Flying Cowboys album, or whether it's something new. Either way, it's nice for the collection since there will also be some unreleased and rare tracks included on these discs...
check her Furniture For The People at www.furnitureforthepeople.com
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfGotdamn, I love this band.
Posted by: FACW , DVD-V changes can read DVD-A, just at a lower resolution than a player such as the Yamaha that decodes DVD-A. Given that a DVD disc holds a limited amount of memory, DVD-A discs can use more towards the audio end. Whether playing a DVD-V or DVD-A, a non-DVD-A compatible player will play DVD-A at 16, 20 bit, 96 kHz for stereo. The DVD-V audio has a maximum data rate of 6.144Mbs while DVD-A's bit rate is 9.6Mbps
A DTS disc at DTS sound is 20 bit, 48 kHz sampling rate - not a high resolution disc. Most CDs are 16 bit and 44.1 kHz, but some are now 20 bit - becoming more common.
A DVD-A compatible player with pulse code modulation will read DVD-A at up to 24 bits and 192 kHz sampling rate for stereo and 24 bit, 96 kHz sampling rate for 5.1. Sampling rate for DVD-A may be lower depending on original source master (ex. Kamakiriad). Other sampling rates are supported: 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, and 96 kHz. . DVD-A has provisions for MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) to enable multichannel 96/24 audio program for 5.1 and 192/24 bits for stereo.
While the sampling rate # difference is important, it's the bits that has more of an impact on the sound: 20 vs. 24 bits that makes a whopper of a difference - 16 FOLD in processing!
Anyway, get a Universal player - SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V, MP3s, CDs, whatever. The prices are competitive.
Posted by: Big Kahuna, Surfin' USA websites for airfaresGretchen, the Kahuna is definitely going to try and make it !
Don't ya just love a party ?
Posted by: Lou Chang, 850 miles from CincinnatiCincinnati here I come! Two months from today!
Hoops-- Where is the event being held?
Who else besides Tom Barney is coming from the Steely Dan Orchestra? Looking forward to it.
Posted by: Daddy G., Places and events slip below the horizon lineÖHoops (or anybody), Just wondering....
Does the new Aja incarnation of Cincy-based PL have a website? Looks like the old one (www.pretzellogic.org) isn't working anymore. A quick Google turned up nothing under the new name as far as I could tell. Thanks.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfFACW -- Yeah, good call; and the last line is delivered in another speaker, to boot. It's gotta be Glenn, because they only have me, Elvis, and Glenn in the singing credits for "Tempted."
Posted by: Paul, showing films in the denDragon, DVD-A is NOT an entirely different ballgame... the 5.1 channel audio tracks encoded for the Nightfly (or any other DVD-A for that matter) are encoded and stored on the DVD disc exactly the same as the 5.1 channel audio tracks encoded for a movie like Star Wars. Look, I use and encode this crap on a regular basis, I know what I'm talking about. If you don't believe me, take out a DVD-A and a DVD movie and stick them in your computer. Compare the contents of a VIDEO_TS folder on each disc... notice a difference? Right, there isn't one. You can use the same software used to rip DVD movies off a disc to rip the music off a DVD-A. The DVD-Audio name is frankly just a synonym for "DVD movie disc that doesn't have any movies on it". And you can see this in the Nightfly, for instance, where there are little pictures that show up on the TV during each song. In short, DVD AUDIO DISCS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS DVD MOVIE DISCS.
You are correct though, the cheap players I exampled earlier DO NOT support 6.1 or 7.1 surround ... but who the hell has 6.1 or 7.1 discs? I didn't see SACD either, but that still wouldn't be hard to come by in the lower end price range.
Wether or not my statements are refuted, I'm shutting up. This isn't to say I'm not going to accept correction, but this discussion is rather pointless.
'Night, everybody.
Posted by: The Dragon, Hoops - nothing flamable in my post. My point had to do with the formats these machines play. Paul is under the assumption that every DVD player will play DVD-Audio. Then again, he's still listening to DTS.
On fiyah
Posted by: Gretchen, PSStevee, we've got you on both dates, baby. Just don't be surprised when I show up Friday fresh from school in my labcoat and scrubs. Yikes!!!
G
Posted by: Gretchen ADHD D. , jaywalking in LALWO, yes, I always assumed Larry was gay, too, not that there's anything wrong with that....but isn't it too much to ask for a girl to carry herself like Miss Universe? I have enough trouble carrying myself like a sack of potatoes!
Anyway, stuck in a nasty freeway jam this evening, and it prompted me to think of Don and Walt just hating the LA scene, as stalwart East Coasters often do. In reality, they probably figured, during the production of Aja, that they were splitting back to NYC after and that gave them a joy that couldn't help but be reflected in the album, which in turn made it so successful.
I know there's been a lot of debate about what SD's "Aja" really was-a woman, a state of mind, a drug induced state, a place, even a hobby or an occupation one loves, but don't we all have our own Ajas? Mine is Maine's southern coast, which gives me a sense of acceptance and peace I find nowhere else. The way Aja is broken down into the sax interludes and then the quiet, asian inspired interludes, for lack of a better term, reminds me of a slightly operatic quality, where the fast paced music is the protagonist living his stressful, hectic life in the city (probably LA) and then when it slows to the asian sections its him again, enjoying his peace and solitude.
Anyway, don't mind my rants, I had lots of thinking time on the 110 this evening.
Who's in for the Danfest? Sounds good for us so far, I'd love to make it (Rajah is a native Buckeye) but don't you think someone should video it, kind of like a Danfan reality show? And will the Kahuna be able to join us?
Goodnight, kids,
G
Posted by: W1P, Santa AnaOh and while you're down there in the "OC", stick around the next night and catch Which One's Pink? (along with Peace Frog and Heartless) at the Galaxy Theater in Santa Ana, dude
Posted by: SteveeDan, Teh Publicity OfficeHi Hoops -
Regarding AJA (the band fomerly known as Pretzel Logic) from Cincinatti ...
They changed their name ? I promise that I had nothing to do with this. Now there are 2 "Pretzel Logic"-named SD trib bands that I am aware of ... Mine, and the one in Canada which plays very infrequently. THANK YOU CINCINATTI !!! KNOCK 'EM DEAD BOYS !!!
... But something was left off of the top of that announcement ... please allow me to demonstrate ...
SHAMELESS PLUGGING !!! (AGRESSIVE PLUGGING AS WELL !!!)
LOS ANGELES' PREMIER STEELY DAN TRIBUTE BAND PRETZEL LOGIC WILL BE MAKING IT'S FIRST APPEARANCE IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, CALIFORNIA AT MARTINI BLUES THIS FRIDAY MAY 20TH AT 7:30 PM.
THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SEE US BUT THE DRIVE WAS TOO FAR, WE ARE DOING THIS FOR YOU (ASSUMING THAT YOU LIVE IN ORANGE COUNTY, AND NOT IN, SAY, NEW YORK ...).
OUR 11 PIECE BAND & OUR DEDICATED SOUND ENGINEER (OUR 12TH BAND MEMBER) WILL BE ON STAGE (WELL, NOT THE SOUNDMAN) TO PLAY YOUR FAVORITE HITS AND LESSER KNOWN STEELY DAN FAVORITES.
Now, of course, if you miss this show, we've still got you covered ...
PRETZEL LOGIC RETURNS TO ITS REGULAR MONTHLY PERFORMANCE SCHEDULE AT LA VE LEE IN STUDIO CITY, CALIFORNIA ON THURSDAY JUNE 2ND AT 8:00 PM.
COME ONE, COME ALL.
For further information, please visit our website at www.pretzellogicband.com.
This is how it's done.
Stevee(Bob Barker)Dan
Posted by: Little Wild One, brain dead in H-tonBut enjoying the lyrics to the song, FACW. I've always loved that one and don't hear it near enough. Had no idea that was Elvis.
The things you learn here....
Oh, and Gretchen, I heard your "Float On" this weekend. I always thought Larry sounded like a gay Cancer, but maybe he's just soulful.
Danfest, anyone?
Posted by: FACW, Man, i need a new needle, but i think it's
Verse 2
Iím at the car park, the airport [Glenn Tilbrook]
The baggage carousel [Glenn tilbrook
The people keep on crowding [Baritone - Elvis C!!!}
Iím wishing I was well [Elvis C falsetto]
I said itís no occasion [Glenn Tilbrook]
Itís no story I could tell [dude with bass voice - Chris Difford - doesn't sound like Elvis]
Posted by: hoops, Dragon, point taken but turn the flames down a bit. I've seen J & R have a SACD / DVD-A --Yes, DVD-A-- combo player for under a $100. But gotta wonder how good of a job it does decoding. I've read and heard that often a multiformat only does one or the other well. But maybe that is now fixed. I was stuck as to whether to go for 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1
and then Mixmaster ES says in an interview linked here last Feb that 6.1 and 7.1 won't ever catch on--get 5.1 . Wow! Still i feel funny not getting 6.1 or 7.1.
Gotta go.
Nitey!
jim
Posted by: The Dragon, Paul you are wrong. The DVD player FACW posted about is a universal player which plays DVD-Audio AND SACD. The player you referenced plays NEITHER, it only plays DVD-Video. DVD-Audio is an entirely different ballgame .Very few DVD players are capable of playing DVD-Audio, let alone both DVD-Audio and SACD! That's why this player is $300 (cheap!) and yours is $59.99.
And DTS/Dolby Digital is stoneage 5.1... "lo-fi" surround sound, if you will.
Posted by: hoops, A Very Special Danfest in Cincinnati
The Steely Dan Cover/Tribute Band, Aja (fomerly Pretzel Logic)
invites you to Cincinnati July 16 & 17 for a Danfest.
Tom Barney will be there as will some other special surprise guests from past Steely Dan Orchestras. Aja is also planning a special Steely Dan artifact and memorabilia expo.
I'm there. Pete Fogel & Shari are there. You be there too!
The hotel to stay at is the Ramada at 513.671.6600
More details coming but wanted to give a heads up so you can start making plans.
jim
Posted by: Paul, in this damn cyberbusinessRajah, the DVD player I listed seems to offer true DTS and Dolby Digital, plus virtual surround (for people with only 2 speakers). But I can see how the product description might also be interpreted as only offering virtual surround, so if that actually is the case, this unit DEFINETELY supports true DTS and DD, and for only $10 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882103035
If you're not convinced, look it up on the manufacturer's website, which there is a link to on NewEgg.
Posted by: Rajah, Very instructive, Paul, I was somehow under the impression that your DVD-A player must be capable of delivering sound in true DTS format and that this was THE costly feature in an audiophile-quality DVD-A player. Am I getting this right?
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfMu, the baritone part was EC as well, I thought.
Posted by: Paul, in this damn cyberbusinessI don't want to turn this into a product arguement, but there are plenty of DVD players that do the same thing at much less cost. This one, for instance, is $59.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882116021
which has the DVD-A playback (every DVD player does), MP3/WMA, DTS output, and a load of other features. DVD players HAVE come down a lot, and I don't see any reason to pay $300 for one.
Granted, the reason you posted the link to that product at all was because the Nightfly was mentioned, but I don't want anybody walking away thinking that's the only machine that will play it.
Best etc.
Posted by: FACW, Ok, I don't think I have it quite right
Iím at the car park, the airport [Glenn Tilbrook]
The baggage carousel
The people keep on crowding [?}
Iím wishing I was well [Elvis C?? falsetto]
I said itís no occasion [Glenn Tilbrook]
Itís no story I could tell [dude with bass voice - Chris Difford?]
Posted by: FACW, Rajah: It's gotta be in the second verse. Didn't know about Elvis C jumping up from the producers chair. I made a guess from memory.
I bought a toothbrush, some toothpaste [Paul C]
A flannel for my face
Pyjamas, a hairbrush
New shoes and a case
I said to my reflection
Letís get out of this place
Past the church and the steeple
The laundry on the hill
Billboards and the buildings
Memories of it still
Keep calling and calling
But forget it all
I know I will
Tempted by the fruit of another
Tempted but the truth is discovered
Whatís been going on
Now that you have gone
Thereís no other
Tempted by the fruit of another
Tempted but the truth is discovered [> Paul C]
Iím at the car park, the airport [Glenn Tilbrook]
The baggage carousel
The people keep on crowding [dude with bass voice - Chris Difford?}
Iím wishing I was well [Elvis C?? falsetto]
I said itís no occasion {Glenn Tilbrook?]
Itís no story I could tell
At my bedside empty pocket [Paul C]
A foot without a sock
Your body gets much closer
I fumble for the clock
Alarmed by the seduction
I wish that it would stop
I bought a novel, some perfume
A fortune all for you
But itís not my conscience
That hates to be untrue
I asked of my reflection
Tell me what is there to do
..my copy is still the 1981 vinyl masterpiece of East Side Story.
Posted by: Rajah, Nice DVD-A player, prices have really come down.
Now if I could only figure out which two lines of "Tempted" are crooned by Elvis...
Posted by: FACW, Here's a product - the ultimate DVD/SACD/Universal Player......
http://www.hometheatermag.com/dvdplayers/505yamaha/
and of course, the ultimate DVD-A to test this baby is the Nightfly
"Next up was Donald Fagen's Nightfly DVD-Audio, recorded at 48 kHz/24 bits. This is another exceedingly well-recorded album, with lots of musical parts in the surround channels. The vocals were clear and open, and the bass was full-bodied without being muddy. The horn section was usually in the surrounds and had just the right amount of punch. In fact, I heard details I'd never heard from the CD. Fagen's perfectionism is well represented using the DVD-C750"
I've seen prices under $300 for this Yamaha - their audio components have been consistently stellar for 25 years.
WPO: At his peak, Paddy McAloon was a top 5 songwriter. Everyone should have in their possession Two Wheels Good, From Langley Park to Memphis, and Jordan The Comeback. Andromeda Heights is way underrated. Can't get into Gunman & Other Stories though
Posted by: SteveeDan, Over and outPaul - Your fortitude and dedication is a true testimonial to your character and intelligence. At times we are all tested by either real challenges or just annoyances. I admit that at times I will go a little long to get a joke out there, but it's never meant to be mean or insulting. That's what probably makes me and Rajah seem like easy prey for those that should know better but don't.
The fact of the matter is that even though, on occasion, we do wonder why we get the occasional mistreatment, ultimately, we really don't care. We are here for the same reason that you are here. We want to know what's going on in Steely Dan and related areas, and to find out what other people who love this music are up to.
That's really all there is to it.
Thanks again Hoops. You have suffered more than anyone else here. Here's to you too.
SteveeDan
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKGretchen:
Go girl!
xx
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Sounds like my show-biz memmories. Don't forget auditioning with a minkey, that was my fave.
Forget the third version of FM, remember this incredible find from a few years ago:
http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory.asp_Q_storyid_E_413steelydan
The archealogical record does not lie, read the runes, know the man.
Keep yer mitts off my striated carbuncle,
Baba Maestro Vendettatissimo Rajinio
Posted by: mfa, aaLife was a fever-dream made up of joys embittered by sorrows, pleasure poisoned by pain; a dream that was a nightmare-confusion of spasmodic and fleeting delights, ecstasies, exultations, happinesses, interspersed with long-drawn miseries, griefs, perils, horrors, disappointments, defeats,humiliations, and despairs--
'k
Posted by: Paul, Slow Hand RowThanks Chrysler, that's what I wanted to know and you interpreted what I meant accurately.
Stevee: Well, you're right about my experience with Dan basically being a crash course, but don't worry too much... I'm not leaving. Similarly childish situations have popped up before, and I was getting really pissed off yesterday.
Posted by: WPO, CDGFriends,
Hope this is not too far afield, but if it is I'm sure Hoops will let me know!
Dan-related music:
1. The Joe Jackson/Todd Rundgren tour is coming to Paris and I'm wondering if it's worth it. Anyone seen the tour yet? (This was a topic on the Dandom Digest some time back.)
2. Any Prefab Sprout fans out there? I've seen them cited as Dan-influenced, along with China Crisis. While I don't know CC, I've been a PS fan for years. Well, at least the first three albums! I've been looking for a copy of their single, Lions in My Own Garden as well, if anyone has a lead. What made me think of them, in particular, was that they, like Squeeze, had a famous producer, in the case of PS, Thomas Dolby! Also worth listening to, all of his albums, but esp The Flat Earth.
Peace, Bill
Posted by: Chrysler, PAPaul: Not sure what you mean by "guitar and long sax version" of FM. You mean you have both the Walter Becker guitar coda version AND the Pete Christlieb sax coda version, and you're wondering if there's a THIRD version of the song? That would be news to me.
Posted by: SteveeDan, So, Tristan, it would appear that you are "pissed then". It's OK. I don't mind. Now that you've switched over to a mean-spirited A.H., this little conversation has come to a grizzly end. It's your solo now.
Paul - sorry about the rude idiots who have to try to bring down the others. I just wanted to tell you that it is interesting to watch you discover the gems in the music. I must say that at your young age you certainly do have a good grasp of what this music contains and has to offer. Keep up the good work. More will become apparent over time. Most of us have had the luxury of going one album (or CD) at a time. You are taking the crash course. It's not for the faint of heart. Good job.
Posted by: hoops, After Saturday night, I'd say I would rather a Joe Jackson/Donald Fagen tour, second only to a Walter Becker/Donald Fagen tour.
Posted by: Paul, thirty miles out of PheonixOops, I flipped the email and location fields in my last comment. Hope that doesn't cause any confusion.
Posted by: Paul, mrlapage@hotmail.comRight, so acting like junior-high students is a major turn-off for new board visitors. Keep it real or whatever, okay?
Question: I've got the guitar and long sax version of FM, am I right that there is another? If so, is there a particular CD I can find it on? Thanks.
I found a live version of "This All Too Mobile Home", sounds like a great song, but like all those other Dan tracks that got cut for the final albums, I can't imagine anything on Pretzil Logic being cut to fit "Mobile" in. Maybe "St Louis...", but even that song has its moments, and adds to the overall feel of the album. Out of curiosity, does the fact that they did actually perform the song live open it up for cover/tribute artists? I remember discussion earlier that basically said legality denies cuts like "The Second Arrangment" to be covered, but what about songs that were actually performed publically? Just wondered, I'm not planning on trying to sing or anything :)
Posted by: Gretchen, Hey, NOT TRISTAN:
It seems your own fucking insecurities and inadaquecies are prompting you to keep slamming those on here whom you feel are superior to you. And, you are right to think that, dude. Also, don't think your identity is all that mysterious.
G
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Wondering if Donald and Todd had hit the road together, whom would have been the headliner? Not that it matters but who has the bigger drawing power, Rungren or Fagen? I do believe a Steely Dan concert has more juice than a Todd Rungren show, but Fagen alone...I dunno.
Posted by: "NOT" Tristan Fabriani is leaving the bldg., Woodstock NYStevee D'mented,
Rajah D'pressed,
Gretchen D'mail order bride,
==========================
Steve,
Your superfine mind has really come and gone as you still have not ID'd the red shirt, and your comments about the Scouser were obviously designed to allow you some semblance of self esteem. I hope it worked for you. Besides, where would you be without YOUR
own Rx, eh? Be grateful, and try not to rant so much.
Rajah,
Isn't your "hold harmless" contract with Gretchen up in December? Feelin' the pressure yet? A man of your mind can do anything provided those retarded emotions don't get in the way, ya know?
Gretchen,
Have you ever seen the movie, "Sybil"...? Nuff said :-)
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Well folks, it's been fun, but this blogger is movin' on.
Too hip. Gotta fly.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Working hard (on not working)Hi Scouser !!
I had a feeling that THAT was you. I was just using my last post to flesh you out (sorry about that fresh flesh reference so close to the nudie gig ...).
I other words I knew that you were not the Liverpudlian lead singer from Doctor Wu. He never shows up at gigs. I'm going to have to drive a paddy wagon to his house disguised as a beer truck and kidnap him and bring him to a gig. That oughtta teach 'em, the Scouser !
Hoops - -
I have seen Todd Rundgren a few times, and I have collected a number of his albums over the past 25 years or so. I do like him. There is a DVD of one of his concerts called "Live In Japan". I think it is from the late 1980's. He has a huge band, three female background singers dressed up fine, and Vince Welnick (The Tubes, The Grateful Dead, and countless sessions) on keyboards. This is a great show. I highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in seeing why Todd is great live.
Stevee(Scouser)Dan
Posted by: W1P, LAHey Hoops, Mike Keneally in Chicago!
Tuesday, June 7, 2005
Schubas Tavern
3159 North Southport Avenue
Chicago, IL 60657
Also featured: Happy Apple
Showtime: 8:00 p.m.
Tickets $15
Info: 773-525-2508
Posted by: fife, greenroomanyone into chatting this eve?
Posted by: Gretchen, Very nice photos, W1P, and a fantastic show, I might add. It was a real treat to see Alan Parsons, looking very Camelot-esque. A night to remember, evidenced by a totally packed house. Definitely want to catch the band again soon.
G
Posted by: hoops, Congrats on the gig, W1P! Great shots. That Alan Parsons would participate is quite a nod to you and your co-horts' ability and accomplishment.
Fife: the original name of the Blue was "MuswellGuestBook."
Be well! And play nice in our big blue sand box, OK?
Tang anynone?
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKOops - sorry. LOL
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKWonderful pics.
What a storming night that must have been for all concerned!!!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKWonderful pics.
What a stormiong night that must have been for all concerned!!!
Posted by: W1P, Just back from Cabohttp://imageevent.com/dirkbag/w1pdarksideofthemoon
Photos from Alan Parsons mixing Which One's Pink?'s performance of The Dark Side of the Moon on May 7, 2005 at the Canyon Theater in Agoura Hills, California
Posted by: "NOT" Tristan Fabriani aka Mr Liner Notes., Woodstock NYSteve D'Chernove,
How quickly we forget, eh? You obviously don't remember me shaking your hand after that gig do you? [Gawd, I hope you washed] I'm hurt. :-( A man of your superior intellect has not figured this out by now....???
[clue: red shirt.]
Oh well, what's one more night of no sleep anyway.
Ta Ta
umowdaherenow.
Posted by: fife, Be vaaaair-wy quiet. I'm hunnnting truth! Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh!Here's another tidbit I found on the below site.
The song Black Friday (1975) contains one of their most fascinating 'namechecks', a surprising reference to the town of Muswellbrook in northern New South Wales, Australia:
"When Black Friday comes
I'll fly down to Muswellbrook ...
This reference has startled and amused many Australian fans, but is believed that Becker and Fagen in fact selected the name from an atlas, primarily because it worked effectively with the next rhyme:
"I'm gonna strike all the big red words
from my little black book ...
and also because it allowed them to create the amusing couplets in the next stanza:
"I'm gonna do just what I please,
Gonna wear no socks and shoes,
With nothin' to do
But feed all the kangaroos."
It is typical of their wry sense of humour that the reference to kangaroos makes no particular sense unless one knows that Muswellbrook is located in Australia.
No wonder so many Aussies love the Dan.
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehI found this bit of information while surfing this morning. Please forgive me if this has been posted before.
The University of Alabama is mentioned in the chorus of "Deacon Blue":
They've got a name for the winners in the world.
I want a name when I lose.
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide,
Call me "Deacon Blue".
The song has been part of the school's marching band's repertoire ever since.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan#Trivia
Posted by: Scouser, BTW Stevedan.This guy is CRAZY.
Posted by: Scouser, I just got home from work BTW. Can't belive this BS from you all. Stevedan please talk care in what you say bro.Love Scouser
Posted by: Scouser, Stevedan. I was told about this BS thats going on in this SD site. But one thing i can tell you. NEVER talk about me in this way agian. Love. Scouser
Posted by: Gretchen, curtains drawn in the little room downstairsHoops, TR sounded like it was a great show. I was never a really huge fan, but some of his more obscure stuff like "Black Maria" and "A Dream Goes On Forever" can't help but get you....and the freakier ones like "Number One Lowest Common Denominator" definitely make you listen.
"Hello It's Me" is one of the all time greatest pop songs from the seventies, IMHO. Definitely captured the feel of relationships in that period in history.
G
Posted by: hoops, JJ was superb in voice and playing. Amazing. The String Quartet played for 15-20 min; then JJ played for 50 min. 15 minute intermission, 45 min with Todd; 10-15 min encore with Ethel, JJ, and TR. Started just after 8 pm, ended just after 11.
Todd only played three hits in his set: "I Saw The Light," "Hello It's Me" and "Bang On The Drum." "I actaully didn't recognize anything else. I am less familiar with TR's stuff. I was a big JJ fan in the 80s and became re-interested about a year ago in JJ.
"Light" was on an acoustic guitar and radically different from the original; "Bang" was just Todd on an Ukilele. I think you, Raj, and StevieDan would have a helluva great time with TR. :-) One other thing was that with Todd playing mostly acoustic, solo, it was almost like it was TR channeling late 60s/early 70s Joni Mitchell. Sounds crazy...but...
To bed... nitey and thanks for being interested, Raj.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, H - How long did each act play? How were JJ's pipes? TR I assume did the hits?
Sting's drummer last night was a guy named Josh Freese from A Perfect Circle, anyone familiar with him cause he's got that Police thing down. Wonder if anyone saw this stripped-down Sting tour that ends its run in NYC tonight.
Posted by: hoops, ChicagoJust got back from seeing the string quartet Ethel, Joe Jackson and Todd Rundgren at the Palace Theatre here in Chicago. Fucking amazing! Highlight for me: JJ performing "Steppin' Out" ójust him and a grand piano. TR is really a huge personality. Sat next to a couple from Kenosha (here in the Tri-state area) who are TR fans like we are SD fans; they were telling me all about how they follow Todd's tours andóthis floored meóhow Todd even had a day between shows in 2001 so he played this couple's backyard on his day off! At the end of the show, she whips out a VHS tape of the event and says she will loan it to me if I return it (!). Have to get the VCR hooked up. They also talked about the School benefit with DF. Saw several concert goers with Steely Dan T-shirts but none who were into the greater Dandom internet scene.
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps" with JJ, TR and the string quartet. Amazing.
Thanks for listening.
jim
Posted by: Boston Rag, .shark - thanks for the link to The Nightfly comic.
I looked around on that website and found this pretty cool drawing too:
http://at.sakura.ne.jp/~ems/images/ems039.jpg
Mark in Boston
P.S. Happy Belated Bday Gail!
Posted by: Gretchen, The Filmore WestActually, I heard a track from the new Styx release, a cover of Humble Pie's "I Don't Need No Doctor," and, being an unashamed Humble Pie fan I have to say it was pretty damn good. Nothing like the sickly sweet Dennis De Young tripe in the last incarnation!
G
Posted by: Chrysler, PAA guy from fuggin' STYX actually likes and listens to Steely Dan?! Incredible!
How 'bout some report on the much-vaunted Cream reunion? All this time and no one on the Blue has had a word to say about it. That bad, huh? I thought as much.
Posted by: Rajah, Was that Sting of all people out punk rockin last night on Letterman? Two guitars and a drummer (not Keith) who didn't especially display great technique but man he was way ahead of the game on this album clone-rendition of All I Want is To Be Next to You. Oh my, maybe the Cream reunion has struck a chord with Gordon.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Still getting over last weekend's gig ...Hey "Tristan" - -
Hoops is right, there is another Tristan who has posted here for a long time, but it's your call whether to change your handle or not. But that's not why I am posting to you.
You wrote that you were in L.A. last week (or by now, maybe 2 weeks ago) and saw Rajah's intro for our band. What's the matter man? Rajah's introductions are hysterical, and it helps to set up the atmosphere that we are going for. But what I'm really pissed about is, if you were there, why didn't you come up to me and say hello. Even a sharp little "fuck you" would have been greatly appreciated. You know, we work very hard to prepare the evenings we bring to the people, and it would really be nice if once in a while people like you would come on up and talk to us. You know, musicians are people too. Weird people I admit, but people none-the-less.
As for the post-nuptual social reigns, "G" will let "R" do what he wants, but, just like in most marriages, there is usually a price to pay for such latitude. As far as the Scouser from Liverpool, I assume you are aware that this guy is COMPLETELY CRAZY. After a few beers, well, just forget it. I love this guy, but, when he's around, you gotta sleep with one eye open !!! Aw fuck sleep. It's grossly over-rated anyway. Just ask the Liverpudlian.
As for your comment about retriving "R's" jewels from the spouses' purse, it made me think of something I saw (and then, of course, commented on) when I was playing that nudist colony gig last weekend.
I was up there on the little stage behind the guitarist who looks exactly like Carlos Santana (and this guy DOES HAVE a Santana tribute band by the way) and we were playing various tunes from the '70's (Layla, Cream, Beatles, Stones, Van Morrison, Billy Joel, Santana, and more), and I glanced over to the side of the banquet hall where there are pool tables.
There was this guy there at one of the pool tables playing pool completely naked. And as I'm playing a song I thought to myself:
"Two balls in the side pocket."
Seemed to make sense at the time, y'know ?
Anyway, I know that you are just funning with Rajah, so, I thought that this little tale might provide some additional mirth where it might be needed
Stevee(test-tickles)Dan
Posted by: hoops, passing thruH A P P Y
B I R T H D A Y,
L W O !
h
Posted by: Little Wild One, I can explain...When my good buddy Ed B doesn't get the SD reference, I know I'm being too obscure, so by way of explanation, the 2VN tour opened on this date in Japan. And I remember getting the setlist by e-mail from some kind underground source.
Hmmm, maybe same time, next year?
Some regeneration of the band Styx played the Today Show concert series this am. They have a new cd just out...no idea what it sounds like. Anyway, I checked their website and found this little blurb from Tommy Shaw:
12/01/03: On my way home from Florida last week I finally listened to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature." As much as I can admit being prepared not to like it (I was an "Aja" freak for so many years, and couldn't get past it to accept anything else from them) I have to say it was a great sounding record. Like a vintage Steely Dan CD I might have missed years ago. It's comforting to hear artists who still remind you of themselves in their glory days. It's as if time had no ill effects on them.
Glory Days? Hunh?
Posted by: MUSAK, YOUR HEADhttp://www.herald-review.com/blogs/timcain/index.php?m=200502
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKI give up. LOL
Posted by: Little Wild One, one year closer to BodisattvaThank you and y'all can STOP now! Might I mention that what I'd really like is a big party with all my friends, say like in Tokyo 2000....
oh, and world peace...or at least Bluebook peace. You know...
P.S. That was a honeymoon? Now, I know I'm never getting married again.
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYObserver,
I understand your need to vent, and I thank you for the compliment, however, being a "musician" is only a fantasy of mine. I envy all those who are, but sadly, I am not.
T
Posted by: Rajah & Gretchen, L.A.Hey LWO!! Happy Birthday to our honeymoon "True Companion," and many, many more!!
G
What, again??? Happy Birthday honey.
R
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, The GreenRoomHappy Birthday Little Wild One!
SOH
Posted by: FACW, Bright Lights Big City the song is a cover of the Chicago bluesman Jimmy Red classic. Fagen's version has a Mose Allison, nightfly Ruby Baby Feel. BIG, BADASS horns. It's played over the scene at the end of the movie where Michael J. Fox trades the sunglasses for the loaf of bread...as the sun rises over the skyline... I can only find that 47 sec. snippet which bizarrely was not on the soundtrack. Anybody ever hear the complete Fagen version? It's a 3 minute song...
Posted by: Observer, centralTristan, you need to get a fucking life and stop poking your nose into the affairs of others. Oh, that's right - a failed musician has nothing better to do.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKPaul:
Bright Lights Big City is A FILM which featured Century's End which is A SONG written by Fagen.
Big Noise New York is A SONG co-written by Fagen.
I *think* that clarifies it? LOL
Posted by: Paul, in this all too mobile homeSorry to double comment, but I found another good DF single and forgot to mention it: "Confide in Me". Oddly enough, that's what I was thinking of when "Big Noise, New York" came up, which I just listened to and realized how unamazing it is. "Confide in Me" is a cool adaptation of common/typical Blues features, and I'ld argue the song better than most of the tracks on Kamakiriad, which is funny because the song appeared along with the "Tomorrow's Girls" single. Whatever. Take care everybody, I'll be out of town this weekend so won't be leeching off the bb.
Posted by: Paul, in this all too mobile homeangel: Thanks for the recommendation. I've been wondering wether the CD is worth buying or not and now I think I shall pick it up, I'm just going to have to find somewhere in town that sells it...
Chrysler: So Donald didn't write BLBC? I'm not suprised I suppose, but the fact that I didn't know about the original does show my level of uncultured swine-ness. Heh, heh.
Posted by: angel, Just got my copy of Piano Jazz and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it is well worth the money. After listening to the whole thing in less then optimal situations, it is wonderful to hear the actual conversations clearly. I only downloaded the SD songs from the internet, due to the huge time it takes to do such a thing on a dial up connection. So, to say the least the other tunes are a joy to listen to and the Steely Dan ones are a much better quality then I remember from the original airing. In other words the mix seems much better. Of course that is what one would expect from anything out of the Steely Dan camp. :-)
Best thing? NO COMMERCIAL BREAKS!!!!!
If you are on the fence about this CD, go for it.
My other Mother's Day gift was the 20th Anniversary reissue of Sting's "Bring on the Night", now on DVD with bonus tracks. A very worth it 2 hours and very recommended.
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHello there, just like everyone I'm crazy about "True companion", for me it's the "quintessence" of what Donald can do, both in songwriting and singing, ah those harmonies ! I wonder if Steve kahn's guitar part was written or not?
Now for something completly different, what are your favourite sunday morning songs (SMS) or albums (SMA) ?
Right now, while working, I'm a dentist, I listen to "The doctor is in" by Ben Sidran, this one is a SMA full of SMS. I could also listen to "Girl talk", the original one by Neal Hefti, or "Mornin'" by Al Jarreau, anything produced by Jay Graydon between 1979 and 1983 in fact. What about you?
Have a nice week end.
Philippe
Posted by: UZOAGBA OWERRI., ASABAI LOVE THIS VERY PAGE SO KEEP IT UP.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKDoh!!
You are, of course, correct. Little wonder I get confused. LOL
I am right on the remainder of my last post though, aren't I?
Posted by: Oh Yeah...., Bassic....'Bright Lights Big City' featured 'Century's End' not 'Big Noise New York.'
Posted by: Her Brother, Burning with RageSouth.....Did you happen to catch 'True Companion' live when they played it a few time in 1993? Absolutely breath taking! Blew me away!
'Big Noise New York' is one of my favorite DF/Steely Dan songs off all time!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKBright Lights Big City was the title of the film that featured Big Noise, New York on it's Soundtrack which was written by Donald Fagen and Marcelle Clements.
Hope this has clrified the situation? LOL
Posted by: Chrysler, PAT.J.: Yes, there is only one version (as far as I know) of "True Companion," the one found on Steely Dan Gold Expanded Edition (and I suppose on the HEAVY METAL soundtrack also). That tune is a glorious mess, a sloppy but exquisite bolero up to the actual song section. A veritable apotheosis of lounge-lizard music.
Paul: "Bright Lights, Big City" was NOT written by DF; it's an old 50s R&B tune (or an even older 30s blues tune). Can't remember who wrote it.
FACW: Right-- Donald's demo, raw sounding as it may be, still blows away Jennifer Warnes' rather mellow version.
Posted by: EDB, BARELYALIVEINSOCALSOH
HFS.
I agree about True Companion.
I remembered the look on your face at Roseland as I read your True Companion notes.
Ed(HFS)B.
Posted by: T.J., DenmarkJust to be certain, there is just one version of True Companion right? The one where the vocals doesn't enter until late in the second half?
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Lazy Nino'sWill the REAL JoeyKahuna please stand up?
Hoops said: "Regarding listening to FM over and over again. It's got that riff that could go on forever, in the best sense."
See, that's exactly what I feel about True Companion...That intro is so lush...So full-sounding...The guitar is so crisp and resonant...I wish that song was about 15 minutes long...It's one of the select few Don/Dan songs that I still play at max volume every time I hear it...I loved it the first time I heard it and have never tired of how that song makes me feel...
SOH
Posted by: sharkdeville, near the dunesever seen this?
japanese comic tribute to The Nightfly:
http://www.din.or.jp/~ems/images/ems067.jpg
Posted by: Rodrigo, the cosmic Wah?Lazy Nina? We donnot know of this Lazy Nina on the Pampas...do tell.
Posted by: FACW, True Companion, Century's End, and Big Noise, New York are all Fagen class - the first 2 can be found on the Gold - expanded edition. BNNY was written for Jennifer Warnes' The hunter, but I dig Donald's demoe which ended up as a "B-side" track on one of the Kamakiraid singles
Lazy Nina is another clever Fagen piece of pop perfection. Monkey House featuring Don Breithaupt, who has posted here, did a supreme cover with Fagenesque horns. Greg Phillilganes also recorded Lazy Nina
...In a dream I will drive along the ocean...
Posted by: Boston Rag, .A friend of mine went to see The Black Crowes on Tuesday night at the Orpheum. He said that on the way out, Instant Live was there and 10 minutes after the show was over he bought a double soundboard CD of the show he just watched! Wow! I looked into the company and Instant Live is a Boston-based company that has recently expanded nationally. What a great idea! They partner with artists and sell CDs of shows for a limited time. If Donald and Walter take to the road again, what would be the chances that they would allow something like this?? About as much chance as me putting 93 octane in a rental car, I'm afraid.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Rajah, Isolde's revenge is swift and certainIs this on...you should know to mess by now, wait'll I see your raggety behind very soon, we'll settle up. You disturbed my Bossa-nova reverie, Mallethead.
And I never imbibe prior to these soirees, you fuck-bubble, unless the battery lags that is.
Here at the Wasted Words
R
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYHoops [Jim]
My "real" email is posted here. Just click away ... I will reply. And, I don't want to cause any probs, so I will change my moniker if you like.
T
Posted by: hoops, "California tumbles into the Sea..."
Well, not yet, but that's the line that came into my head when I saw the headline that part of the hillside tumbled on to the Hudson Parkway .
Sometimes I dream in English and other times I dream in Steely Dan.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Tristan...
Speaking of hiding, could you send me your real email? Actually, the person who usually posts as TF has left us some fine essays in the past. You don't seem to be the same person and I'm concerned you'll scare 'em off, leaving us without the those tasty morsels.
jim
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYMy pleasure Raj... thanks for being a good sport.
T
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Thanks for your advice, literary and personal.
Posted by: ummm, no domesticsCould you guys get a room?
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYOh, Rajah... you silly goose. I guess you're pretty impressed with your own benign, bloviating prose, huh? Paleeze dude... you can't even tell when someone is trying to help you. In truth, I have certainly walked in your shoes. The price tag is painfully obvious for those who care to look, and are no longer blinded by fear. So, you keep right on hiding behind all those pretty words my friend. In the end, you will remember these chats, and we will all have a good laugh. In the meantime, call those you love and apologize. Time is running out.
peace
TB
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Who steals my purse steals trash; ítis something, nothing;
íTwas mine, ítis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
but makes the slave all the poorer indeed.
The level of despair in your post should make you very concerned for your well-being. Read it over carefully and tell us, are you proud of that person? If you loved yourself more, you'd hate less, my old nemesis.
But feel free to continue to unburden yourself, my dark friend, you and I have walked this way many times before...
Posted by: Paul, this all too mobile home"Century's End" was written for the movie Bright Lights, Big City...which Donald also wrote and performed the title track for.
"True Companion" was written for the movie Heavy Metal.
Posted by: angel, Quick quiz:
What 2 songs contain the line with the words Back and Jack? No peeking at the lyrics. :-)
--
Century's End - It's the groove. :-)
--
TJ: Maybe I'm wrong about True Companion but I believe it is from a movie soundtrack. That's why the Sci-Fi otherworldly feel to the piece. By the time you get to the vocals, you are real weirded out all right. I like it.
Posted by: T.J., DenmarkI agree Chrysler. Centurys End is just great! Fagen-harmony at its best, without overdoing it.
Question: Are there different versions of True Companion? The one I have is more or less a jazz piece, with a lot of solo stuff before donald (times 4) comes in after 3 minutes and 24 seconds. A strange little composition...
What is the story behind True Companion and Centurys End if you will enlighten me once again?
T.J. (at 26 years I belong to the new generation, Rajah)
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYRajah, Rajah, Rajah,
Tsk, tsk, tsk... spellcheck not working, or are your palms sweaty from hearing the truth? Hmm? "...friends forever..." Are you kidding? Not based on your behavior lately. You have hurt the ones that care about you most, and I think you know EXACTLY what I am referring to.
TB
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.A friend of the Rajah is a friend forever.
You lame-ass limp-dick mother ficker.
Cheers,
Rajah
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, Woodstock NYRajah,
I was in L.A. last week and saw your intro for The Pretzel Logic Band... Dude, you need to lay off the sauce. Also, what happened to your friend from Liverpool...? Now that you're married, I understand that your new wife won't ALLOW you play with your old friends anymore? Paleeze.... Dude, you need to reach down deep into your wife's purse and grab you balls back bubba. Wives come, and go... friends are forever. Get a grip and remember who luv's ya baby.
TB
Posted by: Chrysler, PAHoops: Right on about "Century's End"-- it indeed achieves songwriting perfection. Perfect architectural flow, great vamp, great modulations, nicely weird chords in just the right places without overdoing it, great synth harp solos, great harmonic voice leading (as per usual with DF), great SOUND to both the ensemble and the recording. A masterpiece.
BTW, what is "Lazy Nina?"
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.The bashing is gettin' stale, wish you'd get over it whomever you are. As for the same 10 people posting here, that's just a steaming turban of doo-doo. Recently we've been joined by some really sharp younger people lookin to talk about the good handcrafted music and I enjoy their comments immensely, gives us ancient ones a glimmer of hope. I wish more folks would just dive in here, nobody's gonna flame you or take the piss out of you and get away clean, trust me.
I'm getting very excited about the possibility of the Daniel Jobim thing. He's the grandson, BTW, pianist and vocalist but also an engineer/producer type whose value to Don would be in getting that samba sound captured. Songs like Goodbye Look, Negative Girl, Pixeleen, Tomorrow's Girls and I daresay a host of others going back to Do It Again are so very close to being in that Latin, samba, bossa nova pocket, just a little nudge here and there and they'd be right in there. Donald could excel in that genre, he has that cool ice-Prince thing down by now and the musical inventiveness to make it engaging, just what he could do with the bridge of a bossa-nova tune boggles the mind. You all recall the classic Girl From Ipanema bridge don't you:
Oh, but watches so sadly,
How can he tell her he loves her?
Yes, he would give his heart gladly,
But each day when she walks to the sea,
She looks straight ahead, not at he.
Donald could have field day in this idiom, romantic slob that he surely is. Orchids and summer rain says it all if that's the eventual title, already he paints us a picture with those few words.
On Citizen Steely Dan, my favorite sequence is at the end of Disc Three: Royal Scam, Here at the Western World and Black Cow. They span the post Denny-Skunk years in microcosm.
Posted by: The Real PQ, NYCThat book can be found at www.iuniverse.com Key in Amethyst Secrets.
Thanks to all for the support!
Jim - Joey Kahuna is me? I'll let Mrs. Kahuna know, LOL. :)
Posted by: Gretchen, Hotel CAChrist, Daddy G - I would run like hell from anyone I saw wearing those teeth......although "Gold Teeth 1" is my favorite SD song, (It's kind of my personal theme song-yikes!) along with "Home at Last."
Hoops, maybe I'm out of the loop, but where is this Dan Fan Novel found? I'd like to check it out, but I dare say many of us on this board would be able to write a Dan Fan novel (or perhaps a soap opera) of our own, "As The Teeth Roll."
G
Posted by: hoops, Get tired of the anon crap and personalities. Pain in the ass (takes my time) to look people up when they do this crap. More complicated to do the full research.
Since you request, I'll play your game. "LOL = Definitely Not PeterQ" The only match I had was Broadway Steve and I don't think Bway would refer to PQ as "an arrogant son of a bitch."
Then again, Weekend Diarist, JoeyKahuna and Cop, according to preliminary searches, came up as PeterQ. So who knows.
Anyhow, they all seem to be joking. I did buy Danfan Novel several months ago. Haven't gotten very far.
"Century's End" is a sublime piece of satire. BTW: I heard bits of "Lazy Nina" in 'Century's End" and, to a much lesser degree, in "Lunch With Gina." "Century's End" is perfection.
Regarding listening to FM over and over again. It's got that riff that could go on forever, in the best sense.
Laters. Be good and play nice.
jim
Posted by: Paul, no brains at allEek, I've been without internet for 2 days.
I've received a lot of hype for "Century's End" from a fellow fan, so I finally got a hold of it today per Chrysler's suggestion and am not that impressed. It's OK, but not as amazing as I've heard. "True Companion" and "Big Noise, New York" are much better. And I just can't get enough of "FM"... I've been listening to it over and over; before this week I had no idea there was a valid reason for the track repeat option on my CD player.
Posted by: Daddy G., You throw out your gold teeth...http://www.triplexgoldteeth.com/
Personally I like the "spinning" teeth. :-)
Posted by: LOL, Weber You Jerk OffWeber you get your ass flamed on every Steely Dan GB you show up on, so what's your point exactly? Where ya been on the Yellow lately, pussy boy?
Posted by: Weber, I was right all alongMost definitely not Peter Q (yeah right, what are your posting from Kinkos?)
Let's see, the same 10 people post on Blue Book. The same 10 people posted on the Yellow book. So the most copies Peter Q could have sold was 20. "Apparently" you're are wrong about the great success of Dan Fan Novel. However, you were right about the arrogant part.
Posted by: Most Definitely Not Peter Q, Check The ISP Address If You Doubt ItI must say Mr Q is an arrogant son of a bitch but apparently that book is an underground smash at I Universe. Apparently with no marketing, no advertising, nothing, just from promoting it here and on the Yellow. And Vol 2 seems to be in the works according to the Boutique.
You mean you're not reading Peter Q, NYB, and StAl saving the world economy over there at banyan trees? LOL.
Posted by: ?, Pam
What happenedÝlast year?
Posted by: Pam, in the gardenI found an old review/interview for EMG: mixonline.com/recording/interviews/audio_steely_dan_everything/
Marian McPartland is also going to be at McCarter Theatre in Princeton, NJ this summer (www.mccartertheatre.com).
I just got the email from PNC Bank Arena in Holmdel, NJ and what a sad reminder of how great last year was. Nothing doing this year.
Blues Beach, anyone?
Posted by: What Ever Happened To, Dan Fan Novel?Moray ....Didn't Jeff Pocaro play on more songs than Jim Gorden on PL? If "Here At The Western World" was really recorded during Katy Lied it most probably is Porcaro on this song.
Posted by: Chrysler, PAWow-- for a week now I thought the Blue was down; all I got was a blank page when I tried to load it. Turns out my %#$&@#%$*! Earthlink Accelerator was screwing me over big time. Anyone else still in the dial-up Stone Age, and get fucked over with Accelerator?
Paul: Listened to The Division Bell one time through so far; I quite like it on first impression, but I have to say Roger Waters' abscence is all-too obvious--the songs generally don't have the sculpted, striking memorableness of PF's very best. But it's still Floyd, Gilmour's guitar is fabulous as usual, and I'll be listening repeatedly to it.
And have you heard:
True Companion
Century's End
Big Noise, New York
All three are Fagen song masterpieces; don't miss 'em!
Posted by: moray eel, 2nd listenHonestly, I think that Gordon and Purdie sound a lot a like. Gordon is just a bit more aggressive in my opinion, while Purdie seems more subtle and complex. After giving it a few more listens, I believe it's Purdie on "HatWW".
It's been a while since I gave this track a listen. I forgot just how beautiful this song really is.
m.e.
Posted by: FACW, The beginning of the chorus: "knock twice, rap with your cane. Reels nice. You're out of the rain..." those cymbals are straight out of Rikki. That's why they reminded me of his protege Jeff.
Posted by: moray eel, interI think it sounds like Jim Gordon too.
Play some Pretzel Logic and then listen to "Here at the W.W." Sounds like the same drummer to me.
m.e.
Posted by: Rodrigo, milage plusFlying into Auckland Int'l, arrive mainland via native hempboat hovercraft, Circle Quay by pontoon Yak train for curtain time. Look for EMU tracks across bush.
Prepare the V bitters,
Rodrigo
Posted by: ss, hkI don't hear Purdie on the HATWW drums.
Posted by: alan, DownunderAttention Aussie lurkers
Tomorrow night 13/5/05 the Basement in Circular Quay will present Australia's very own Steely Dan tribute band "The Bodacious Cowboys"
If you have never had a chance to see this band you should make an effort to get along and witness some of Australia's finest musician's in action performing all the songs you know and love, you won't be disapointed.
Cover charge is $20 at the door and the show starts at 10.00pm.
Posted by: FACW, Gold lists the drums on Here at the Western World as belonging to Jim Gordon...hmmm
Posted by: Little Wild One, Mama told me not to comeHey FACW, isn't Austin your turf? Dallas' Naked Lunch is playing at Carlos 'n Charlies this Saturday. Feature band is Three Dog Night.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI agree with everyone here, if you knew nothing about the track but the way it sounded, you'd have to call it a 'Katy' clone. The Omartian piano sound is as specific a tone as you'll get in the SD catalog, and "Here" flows along with that.
Still, Omartian's piano (and a demo) could have been recorded in the "Katy" sessions, and the rest of the track (with such "Scam" stalwarts as Purdie and Parks) might have been finished during the "Royal Scam" days.
Hate to get nostalgic for 1999 for the second time in a few posts/hours, but I remember buying the double LP SD Greatest Hits that summer and hearing "Here at the Western World" for the first time, the first 'new' Steely tune outside of the big seven albums and before TvN. What a feeling.
Posted by: T.J., DenmarkHmm For some reason iTunes calls it Here IN the western world...
Posted by: T.J., DenmarkIf "Here in the western world" really is from the Katy Lied sessions, which is does sound like, I finally get all the fuzz about the sound quality error on Katy. I never really gave it much thougth, but If this it what it could have sounded like.... well I think I'm depressed now.. Western World just have an amazingly rich and warm sound. This is like getting a new Dan-cd... or a single perhaps...
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYAfter reading some comments about Here at the Western World being by the Katy Lied musicians, I took a quick listen and noticed that is definately NOT Jeff Porcaro on drums--sounds like Bernard Purdie. I did a quick doublecheck on steelydan.com
Michael Omartian: Piano
Chuck Rainey: Bass
Bernard Purdie: Drums
Dean Parks, Jeff Mironov: Guitars
Interesting group of performers.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfWhen I was in college, a few months before Napster came out and before I had enough cash to buy Decade, I used to listen to the same 30 second Real Audio clip of "FM" from Amazon over and over and over again. What a song. I agree with Mu, probably the best of Dan (however atypical), rolled into one song.
Posted by: Paul, Woops, when I referred to the Gold compilation in my last post, I actually meant the Decade compilation.
Posted by: angel, Sitting here with Citizen and "Here at the Western World" playing. My favorite part is that almost last note in the intro, just before the vocals start. Sets the whole tone of the piece.
--
If we go by what Fagen is quoted as saying (see my earlier post), he says they had it hanging around and it was supposed to go on Scam. That sounds like it might have indeed been recorded during the Katy Lied sessions.
Posted by: Paul, Steely Dan with visual enhancement? Do I even want to try it...? Watching the FM credits would seem to take some of the fun out of interpreting lyrics, you know... "New Frontier"'s never been the same since I saw the video.
After hearing FM on the radio, I immediately went and bought the track from an online music store. The Gold "FM" seems to be different than the Citizen version...so I bought both.
Posted by: FACW, I thought that was Bodhisattva live
Posted by: FACW, Jim picked it up - I was talking about the SOUND. Citizen sez it was recorded in Santa Monica, 1976. Santa Monica?
Posted by: hoops, Both "Western World" and "FM" were on my mind yesterday so it's serendipitous to have them discussed here.
Yes! I have read a few places where D and/or W talk about "Western World" being from "The Royal Scam" sessions. So, it's not like once they said it as a mistakeóit's gotta be right. But I have to agree, despite it being from TRS sessions, it does so much sound like something off of "Katy Lied." Aside from the low-key, minor sound to it, and the players, another reason I (erroenously) associated it with "Katy Lied" is that the first time I owned it, it was on "1972-78" later retitled "Greatest Hits." On that album, HATWW opens side 3, and then is followed by "Black Friday," "Bad Sneaks," and "Dr. Wu." So it's also out of place in that respect since that album is pretty much chonological in order and HATTW opens the "Katy" Tracks section. But of course it makes sense that they open an album side with the one new trackóeasier for DJs to put on.
As for "FM," yeah, I am with FACW on that one as it has everything you associate with SD encapsulated into one track. But there are some atypical things about "FM" tooóit was written specifically for a movie, there are three versions (at least)óguitar near the end, sax near the end, and the reprise version, and it has strings! (Contributes to the movie feel, of course.)
Gotta run!
jim
Posted by: angel, From Metal Leg:
"Year(sic) of the Western World was originally slated for inclusion on The Royal Scam. Donald Fagen said in a 1977 Sounds interview, "We had it laying around and we liked it a lot but it didn't fit on Scam and we thought we had too many songs in that tempo on this album (Aja) so it's still sitting around. We'll get it out sooner or later."
Well, I knew it was supposed to be on Scam.... lol
Posted by: FACW, If I had to pick ONE song that sums up Steely Dan, it's "FM" with the Walter Becker solo fade-out. One bad-ass recording. The movie FM is complete drivel and a mess, but the title track is played at the very beginning of the movie over a early morning pannin LA thing going on with credits - damn, I bet it's been over a decade since I've seen it. Kind of a cool "video" before there were such entities outside Richard Lesters' Beatle movies...then stop the tape of DVD...
Posted by: FACW, angel: Something interesting about Western World. It was recorded with the Katy Lied cast of characters: Omartian on piano, Porcaro on drums, who are nowhere to be found on Scam. Either, it was recorded in-between, or rejected because it sounds more like Katy than Scam. Anyway, if you want to here what it Katy would have sounded like without the noise reduction snafu - Western is the choice from Citizen or Gold, along with the alternate takes of Dr Wu and Your Gold Teeth II floating out there
Posted by: Paul, Wow! I had never heard FM until today on the radio. What an amazing song...!
Posted by: Paul, That article is basically the one from WikiPedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Fagen, who add the fact that work on Donald's third solo album began in August 2004. Wiki has a nice article on Steely Dan also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan.
WikiPedia is generally the best informational resource on the internet, and not suprisingly, community run.
Posted by: Gretchen, googling........In my search for Fagen news, (googling Fagen third solo album) I came upon this curious little website.
http://www.psychcentral.com/psypsych/Donald_Fagen
Meds, anyone?
G
Posted by: Her Brother, Burning with Rage...mt,
You heard wrong.
Posted by: mt, I heard it didn't get put on because it, unlike all the others from the album, wasn't in a minor key.
Posted by: angel, It was recorded for The Royal Scam, but they ran out of space, I believe. It was picked for removal because of the fact that they had several songs on that album, with a similar, depressing theme.
Posted by: T.J, DenmarkFinally iTunes opened in my country. The first song I purchased was the fabulous "Here in the western world", which I think is the only Dan-tune I've never really heard... Anyway, instead of doing a lot of digging I thought I would ask the Steely Dan panel in here: what's the story behind this track? Which era is it from, and why is the sound quality so excellent?
T.J.
Posted by: FACW, Snailblazer? how about: One Abreast Nature
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehDan refrence of the day:
Jeopardy, category musical numbers, answer Steely Dan: Hey__
can't help myself
Posted by: SteveeDan, Fully ClothedCongratulations to W1P and the band for their stellar performance with Alan Parsons. I really wish I had been there.
I travelled in a completely opposite direction, almost all the way to Lake Elsinore, to my gig. It was a gated trailer park with a nice commons area including both an indoor and outdoor pool, jacussis, tennis courts, and a kiddie jungle gym area. It was a little chilly that night so the ratio of nudists to partly or fully clothed people was about 1 to 5. Let me just say that you didn't have to ask anyone "how's it hangin'?".
Most of the people were over 40, very nice, open people. There were a few outstanding looking people. There was one woman in particular who had a spectacular pair. I can't say any more for decency reasons. Truly spectacular. At one point in the set, after we had finished a song, I pointed at a nice looking woman who was wearing only bikini bottoms and a sombrero and I pointed to her and yelled at her: "Hey ! You're distracting me !!!" Everyone had a really good time. It was a lot of fun. No photos allowed.
By the way I now know the answer to "Which One's Pink?". Oh yeah.
Stevee(Buddy "Blue" Hackett)Dan
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I don't rate Derek Trucks a lesser player, just a different approach to the slide guitar, he's trained. I've seen these guys about five times in the last couple years and I hope you're not under rating him because of your feelings about Dickey who, no doubt, was and is a special player. Derek's been playing slide since he was a child and used to sit in with the Bros. at picnics and things when just a little shaver. He has wonderful stage presence, not a flashy type you understand, but very graceful, dignified, controlled, he's not running behind any substances, he respects his gift, no, I have to take exception, the young man is very accomplished, his best work is yet to come and best of all, he and Warren Haynes, who I think is a great band leader, work very well together. Lots of ABB fans miss Dickey very much and continue to call for his return. Never say never but I believe that ship has sailed. What I do miss is all the Dickey tunes that the Bros. no longer perform, I'm told that was a part of the agreement when they parted ways.
Now as for dream returns, McD's return to the Dan would be mine.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfAnother thing: Rajah, you are correct, that album was their best in years, but part of the reason is that Gregg has cleaned up, and the main part is because the songs are finally good. Since the reunion, and their initial time with Haynes, the songs have been hit or miss. The album is better, but their live sound (with Trucks doing his Lindsey Buckingham mess all over) has suffered.
If it weren't for Haynes, those guys wouldn't have ever gotten it together.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfWell, Gregg was regularly showing up to events sloshed as recently as the turn of the decade -- I'm not buying their shitcanning of Dickey then, and I'm not buying it now. Nothing on you, Rajah, you're just repeating what you were told, but they made a choice to bring in a MUCH lesser guitarist in Derek Trucks, and the band has suffered.
Trucks is a good guy (he's my age) and has his head in the right place, but he's half the guitarist Betts was at Trucks' age -- much less Betts today, with over 40 years of playing under his belt.
Don and Walt may not have always had a sense of tact when dealing with bandmates, but they never resorted to ageism, and never pandered to the younger/hippie crowd. They learned their lesson with David Palmer and moved on from there.
Posted by: Rajah, L.AFrom what I hear from my old school chum back in Long Island who's about as freaky for the Allmans as I am for you know who, Dickey's boozin' just got worse and worse. About 10-12 years ago or so Warren Haynes, who together with young Derek Trucks have saved that band IMHO, up and quit cause he couldn't take Dickey's unprofessional approach and the unrelenting abuse he doled out to everyone around. See, the other guys eventually stopped getting high and loaded...but not Dickey. Their output of new material dwindled down to a trickle and they never knew what condition Dickey would show up in for concerts. If you haven't heard their "Hittin the Note" record, released in 2003 I believe, you should check it out. It's their best record since "Eat a Peach." That's Gregg's comment, not mine, but I agree. The Allmans tour every year, not more than maybe 3 dozen shows including their Beacon Theatre run in March but they are out there and being productive. I mentioned what a Steely Dan freak I am on their board and some guy wrote this back: "I love Steely Dan too but I wish they'd get up off their lazy asses and tour more regularly."
Posted by: fezo, whipping postI'm a huge fan of the Allman's current lineup, but Jesus fucking Christ, the notion that they of all bands kicked somebody out for substance abuse problems, is a frigging joke.
Posted by: Paul, The Nightfly DVD-A gives a similar experience. The orginal album is amazing, like Breyers Vanilla ice cream, and the DVD-A is like adding whipped cream, chocolate syrup, and a cherry to the album. Of course, Kama wasn't the best album to start with, so for its case would be like adding all that stuff to supermarket generic vanilla. Mmm... food related metaphors... I'm getting hungry....
Anybody heard when the Pretzil Logic DVD-A is due? Has there been any information other than the fact that there is going to be one? I think that's the album I most want to hear in surround, maybe I want to hear Aja more, I'm not sure. But whatever the case, I'm definetely going to have to buy myself a 5.1 surround system, I can't be going to my friend's house whenever I want to hear my DVDs in their full glory. Maybe I can get someone to buy me a set for my graduation.
Posted by: Her Brother, burning with rage....Dan,
I think the Kamakiriad DVD-A is 100 times better than the CD. It's amazing. Hats off to Elliot Schiner!
Posted by: Little Wild One, After the RainOrchids are very challenging...I have a few myself that I baby on a regular basis. Those and the plumeria out back, which always remind me of the Islands.
Dan Karma rules! The news about the Fagen/Jobim collaboration made my weekend...thanks guys.
Posted by: home depot dude, roll your cart back up the aislehttp://www.herald-review.com/blogs/timcain/index.php?m=200502
Posted by: Gretchen, Very nice imagery, I can see the album cover now, a closeup of a perfect yellow Cattleya, a few droplets of rain glinting from the sun. Liner notes interspersed with black and white Ikebana still lifes. I attended the New York International Orchid Show last month and was amazed at the sense of tranquility inside the expo, all the movement of the city outside Rockefeller Center but an oasis of calm inside. I, too, have tried my hand at orchids, but they require the patience of a saint. They are beautiful, fleeting, and then they go dormant, making you long for more.....kind of like Fagen's words and music?
G
Posted by: FACW, Rajah, WPO: Elvis C. produced East Side Story, the classic Squeeze album with Tempted. In fact, they toured the States together in the early 80s. Elvis C's vocals live were incredibly strong, way more than I expected
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI popped my Kamakiriad DVD-A in last night as was chilling for awhile to Snowbound (does it ever come alive in 5.1 surround!) when I thought I'd give a quick comparison. I set the sound on 2 channel stereo and paid attention. Aside from the bass drum hits in the intro and the incredibly improved overall sound in 5.1, I didn't notice much different about the two versions until the outro. There, I noticed the stereo outro is different than the CD version AND the 5.1 surround version! Rather than the instruments dropping away (including Walter's guitar) to leave just the drums and that sublime horn line and then fading drums, this version does a complete fadeout. Where I expected to hear the guitar solo stop, it just continued on even longer as the song did a traditional fadeout. Just thought I'd share this little tidbit; I don't know if anyone else had noticed.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Please bear with me, but Which One's Pink? gave the ass-kicking show of all times tonight at the Canyon Club. Alan Parsons, looking for all the world like a Restoration character and also very much like Alan Bates, stood at the mixing board for Pink's second set of DSM. The crowd ranged in age from 16 to 60, the house was packed wall to wall and they ate it up, major screaming standing "Os" all night. Recall if you will that Alan Parsons engineered Dark Side of the Moon, recorded between June 72 and January 73, a pretty fair record album. So when you hear people make fun of the whole idea of "Tribute" bands, could you please tell them to go F themselves...for me?
Insane and unhinged props to W1P and his crew, that was the shizzle.
Now as for Donald and the young Mr. Jobim, somebody fuckin pinch me cause that's inspired. For those of you who don't have an Antonio Carlos Jobim record, the Sinatra and Jobim record from the 60s, or even the "Girl From Ipanema" compilation record or a Babel Gilberto record for that matter, go out and get one today. If there was ever music for a Sunday afternoon, that Brazilian bossa-nova is it.
Happy Mothers Day to all our Blue Girls, we can't live if livin is without you.
Posted by: moray eel, bossaThe photo at df.com was a little different. It was extemely grainy. This photo is clean. The image is also flipped and, of course the addition of the text.
Posted by: ss, hkThe googling is showing references to Tom Jobim as a composer, great piano player and fine singer.
Kama not dark enough ?
Really ?
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehAny major dude that photo was posted on Donald's website quite a few months ago. I doubt very much that he'd use that for an album cover but it is exciting that it has a name now. On superstitious front, must be the Irish in me, Neil Young is back in ths studio recording a new album after having brain surgery a month or so ago, he always tours when he brings out a new one and every year that he's toured from 96 on, the Dan has toured, so me thinks next year should be a good one!
Posted by: Any Major Dude, San FranciscoThis email and attachment was sent to me but I don't know who from, and he/she won't respond to my replies.
>>>>>>>
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: <loubinext12@yahoo.com>
Subject: new fagen solo album
To: dextraman@yahoo.com
Since you're in an SD tribute, you might be interested to know that DF is working on a solo album. Rumor is it's got a latin feel. Well, as someone in "the know", I thought you might get a kick out of the new cover.
Merry xmas, regards
>>>>>>>
There was an image attached, which I posted on my server...
http://www.steelywonder.com/images/snailblazer.jpg
Does anyone have any idea who the heck sent this to me, and if there is any possibility that this may be the new Donald Fagen solo album name and/or cover? It's clearly a picture of Donald, but if it's not the new cover, where did it come from?
Perplexed (and cautiously excited),
Any Major Dude (i.e. Dextraman)
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfIt was a minor blip, Google-wise, as its back on. Some other friends of mine in Texas noticed it, too.
Posted by: Paul, This is completely un-dan related but it's too big an event to go unnoticed. At 5:59 PM (GMT -6:00) Google.com is down. I mean down. I type in google.com in my browser and I get "www.google.com could not be found". This has never happened in the history of my using the internet! This is major news! And I can't get to anything Google related: Gmail, froogle, google news, nothing. Is there a nuclear war going on or something??
The title of the new CD sounds nice... I didn't know music got patented, that's is news to me. Anyway, thanks for the info.
Thanks, hoops, now I've got "Maxine" stuck in my head!! :)
Posted by: hoops, Yet another Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering April 23-May 7, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest:
ó Re: Mindy Jostyn
ó "Orchids and the Summer Rain"
ó Re: "Orchids and the Summer Rain"
ó Updates at DF.com plus one curious item
ó European release dates for Piano Jazz
ó Ad for Steely Dan "Piano Jazz"
ó Re: "Katy Lied" Revisited
ó Re: Katy Lied again
ó Josie Remix
ó IGY on Simpsons
ó New Anomalous Quintet CD
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official steelydan.com or Official donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
jim
Posted by: WPO, CDGRajah,
Re Tempted vocal: did you know that Elvis Costello sings two lines?
Re "darkness more subtle": previous post ref: Hoops had commented on Kamakiriad, which I find to lack the dark edge of the Dan stuff.
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: hoops, "Orchids and The Summer Rain." Sounds intriguing! THANKS VERY MUCH, GARY! A lot of images for me with that. My late father used to grow orchids. Had about 150 of them. A lot of work, especially when you grow them in your basement in Chicago. Summer rain outside would help.
It's been finals and end of year show at workÖhence why I've didn't post most of this week. Tonight is graduation; I keep singing "Maxine" in my head!
Be well and looking forward to seeing more of you guys.
Happy mothers day.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Very pleased to hear Dickey got it together. Pity his tunes are no longer played in concert by the Bros.
Posted by: Lawrence Tanter, United CenterNo doubt about Dickey -- that's why they booted him. But he's seems to have gotten it back together with something to prove -- which is a good thing, I think.
I have the honor of introducing Mr. Parsons this evening. I'm cogitating over what to say. I'm thinking something like this (over Sirius)
"He single handedly led to the Chicago Bulls to six NBA championships with his rousing theme music known as 'Sirius',
a six foot five power forward out of Abbey Road,
Alaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Parrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsons"
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Dickey Betts was nothing more than an abusive drunk with the Bros. He disrespected himself, his bandmates and the music. I'm happy for him to hear he's back but the Allmans are so much better off without him.
Very excited to hear what Mr. Parsons does for the Pink sound tonight.
Fagen & Jobim? Ah, wow...
Posted by: ed Beatty, awakeMorning.
http://www.latinjazznet.com/reviews/quarteto.htm
Here is some background on Daniel Jobim and family...
Orchids and samba?
Donald Fagen Horticulturist
Happy Mother's day..
Ed
Posted by: Hey Raj , AgouraThat was not the case with Dickey Betts last week @ the Canyon
Posted by: Gary, AtlantaThe U.S. Copyright Office has 1 new item registered to Donald Fagen:
Registration Number: PAu-2-915-202
Title: Orchids and the summer rain.
Description: Compact disc.
Claimant: Freejunket Music
Created: 2004
Registered: 19Nov04
Author on © Application: words & music: Donald Jay Fagen, Daniel Jobim.
Special Codes: 3/M
Regarding the 2 Special Codes listed above:
The first code describes broad categories of works. The numbers correspond to parts of the Catalog of Copyright Entries, a compilation previously published by the Library of Congress. More than one number may apply to an entry.
3 = performing arts, music, lyrics, plays, choreography
The second code describes the nature of the claimed material. Users of the older LOCIS system may limit completed searches based on the type of material.
M = Musical works
Posted by: Jaco, UKBad Sneakers:
Yes, I'm already a huge fan of Walter's playing. My biggest influence on guitar, which I recently took up. I found Steely Dan to be invaluable when learning the bass, too.
Sorry for the Chuck Rainey repost, everyone.
Regards
Mike
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.The Allman Brothers at the Greek Theatre last night:
Not My Cross to Bear (intro only)
Statesboro Blues
Ain't Wastin Time
End of the Line
Worried Down with the Blues
Every Hungry Woman
Done Somebody Wrong (Elmore James)
Midnight Rider
Woman Accross the River
Instrumental Illness
Soulshine
Stormy Monday (T-Bone Walker)
High Cost of Low Livin
Rockin Horse
Mountain Jam (Norwegian Wood tease)
e: One Way Out
Gregg's voice was tight early on, it was a cool night, he warmed up around the third song. I wish Mark Quinones toured with the Dan, they need a chicky-boom infusion. Butch and Jaimoe should be put out to pasture even though they ARE the Allmans' legacy at this point and all mad props to them but at the risk of heresy, I'd like to see Matt Abst in that lone chair, he'd kill. Someday this will be Derek Trucks' band. The LA crowd was late, tepid and distracted as usual, thank goodness for my date, the perfect concert cumare.
Posted by: Realm of the Unreal, Grand Centralhttp://www.hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/Music/content.html?oid=oid:102177
Posted by: Good King Richard, AcreIf I had only been exposed to Bequet and Scattus prior to embarking on my ill-fated Crusade, I might have spared the shedding of native English blood both at home and abroad. Remorse is a cold companion.
Posted by: moray eel, ftlogOle: Feel free to add any of my stuff to the "heartbeat" section. Or not. My name already appears once or twice on Fever Dreams and that is enough to satisfy my ego. Really, I just wanted to make sure that YOUR "heartbeat" was still intact.
Time shares are so yesterday. I'm thinking about opening a "Bread and Beck-Fest" or "Becker-Fest", as the case may be. I think it could change the way America travels. What do you think?
m.e.
Posted by: ss, hkDoes this mean the islands chillin' is over ?
Posted by: Daddy G., NJNew front page pic at DF.com.
Posted by: oleander, moldy figs anonymousWell well well, it's old home week in bluedom.
Hey there, M'sieu LaPage! Yes, still holding forth in the big blue house, where you are welcome any time.
mo'RAY! What the hell happened to the timeshare, man? And did I never put up your Heartbeat spin? If not, my apologies, and one of these days it will find its way to fever dreams....
Re the Becquet and Scattus fresco: I heard references to it on a trip to Paris.... The medieval studies community was all atwitter at the discovery.... Apparently, this scholastic duo is thought to have been responsible for an offshoot of Gregorian chant, called "Mu-tato Nomine," which died a premature death when its innovative harmonies and subtly ribald Carmina Burana-like lyrics soured Lothar II (whose subsequent portraits tended to show him with hands over ears). It is believed to be this musical form, rather than the unctuous smiles for which they are remembered in some quarters, that appears to have tipped His Highness toward the axe. There is some conjecture that this particular Liege-era portrait may have been created when they were bestowed honorifics by a sub-rosa school of music, whose students were acolytes of the new musical form. Apparently, another portrait was to have been painted by Hildegard of Bingen, already renowned as a visionary artist, but she cancelled because of a migraine. (Incidentally, it's little known that Boise Raeburne, the founder of their adopted order, pioneered a musical ensemble that later was thought to have inspired the duo's fatal innovations.)
Unfortunately, other than Pere Abelard's fevered musings, there is no proof that the brother monks had any part in the famed and tragic love story that featured the severed genitalia. Partisans of Jungian theory might, however, connect the wilted and withered organs with Messrs. Fagen and Becker's twentieth-century choice of musical persona.
Posted by: Paul, with his foot in his mouthThose two are on Momentary Lapse? Oh, I guess they are. Yeah, those are pretty good songs.
Posted by: W1's Steeve's Nude, Land of Fruits and NutsSorrow and On the Turning Away are quality Floyd efforts
Posted by: Gretchen, stereo 92!!!Thanks, Pink - I cannot get that song out of my head now.
G
Posted by: Paul, I love "Take it Back", but I'm going to have to agree with "Dogs of War" being one of the worst... Momentary Lapse just isn't that great an album in general, "One Slip" and "Learning to Fly" are the only two songs I like from it. I think "Coming Back to Life" is my fav from TDB. Even if that album and OBC have a lot of "filler" tracks, I guess I like the filler. :) OBC is mostly mood music anyway, it was a motion picture soundtrack, after all.
So, did Sugerloaf have any hits other than "Green Eyed Lady" and "Don't call us, we'll call you"? Those are the only two I ever hear on the radio...
Posted by: W1Sugarloaf, LACan you related to a quarter track tape of a band that performs in the nude? Don't call us Steevee, we'll call you!
Take it Back is consistently voted by Floyd fans as one of the "worst" tracks ever (along with Dogs of War). It definitely has an "Edge" sounding guitar. I kind of like it. But for my money High Hopes, Keep Talking and What Do You Want From Me are the three tracks of TDB that are worth listening to. Obscured by Clouds has some real Floydian highlights -- Childhood's End, Burning Bridges and Free Four. Some of its kind of filler -- like the Division Bell album!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKChrysler:
You're not, by any chance, referring to the rather "pedestrian" bassline are you?
Posted by: Paul, Chrysler: I never got that impression about Take it Back. What makes you say so? The Division Bell is by far my favorite PF album; nowadays if I'm listening to Pink Floyd, I'm listening to that album or Obscured by Clouds (which came immediately before DSM) almost exclusively. I'm anxious to hear your thoughts about it...
Best.
Posted by: Armey Archer, HollyWoodDateline: Re make of FM in the works:
Heated discussion this afternoon with a pre-script flying.
Cast not of the board or set, w/production deadline nearing, may be shelved. Mr. Crowe and Mr. Beck at odds over
one lead,,Beck want's acd. vet. Marisa Tomei, more to follow.
Posted by: Bad Sneakers, UKJaco
You should write an article about WB's playing too. Check out EMG for some of the finest playing of the last few years
Posted by: Chrysler, PAFinally got around to listening to THE DIVISION BELL by PF (in fact, listening to it right now, for the first time). Give me some more time for a further review, but is "Take It Back" a tribute to U2 or WHAT?
Posted by: sharkdeville, down in FLhere's a cool post I found at SteelGuitarForum.com that some of you might find interesting. It concerns my two favorite bands... Steely Dan and the Beach Boys:
Jeff Agnew wrote:
During one of my former incarnations as a journalist I wrote concert reviews and photographed shows for the city newspaper. In (I believe) '74 I was assigned to cover a Beach Boys show. Opening act was Steely Dan, in their original lineup.
After SD finished the opening set I had planned to listen to just a few BB songs and get back to write the review, having heard the BBs live numerous times and with their sets not changing appreciably between tours in those days. What kept me there, however, was a guy who came out with them and sat down behind a Sho~Bud D10 pedal steel guitar.
It was the Dan's Skunk Baxter, who had used the Bud on two or three of their own songs and now proceeded to sit in with the Beach Boys. For their entire set. Great stuff. So much so that at one point Mike Love pointed at Baxter and said to the audience, "Are you folks listening to what this guy is playing? It's unreal. That just blows me away."
I really don't remember much about the details of Baxter's playing; my steel ear wasn't as discerning back then. But musically, it was outstanding. The notes, selection, and phrasing were a marvelous fit with the BBs. Not an easy thing to do, staying out of the way of those densely layered harmonies.
They gave him lots of room for fills and Love was truly mesmerized by Baxter's playing. They all seemed to genuinely enjoy having a steel in the band. My lasting memory is that it was way cool that such a top act (at the time) would not only invite a steel player to sit in, but also make such a big deal to the audience about his playing.
Posted by: Kid, CleanJaco,
Old news.
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Frisco WindsWhen the Mizar5 surf's up, jazzvocalist Kitty Margolis will spill her finetasted beans about why she puts Steely Dan's EMG on top of her Favorite Things/Heavy Rotation list, a list that also included Walter Becker's 11 Tracks of Whack...
http://www.kittymargolis.com
Posted by: Jaco, UKHi everyone
Wow, havent been here for ages.
Just wrote a 5k word mini-dissertation on the bass guitar, and the impact of the first thirty years etc. Wrote a bit about session players, mentioning Chuck Rainey in particular. On his site, I found an interview with him regarding his work with Steely Dan. Very interesting reading....though quite damning in places, especially of Donald.
Make of it what you will. Chuck's site is
http://www.chuckrainey.com/
and you click on Bass Manual and there it is. Sorry I cant provide a link straight to it, one of those funny sites where you can't do that.
Interested to hear people's thoughts on it. Didnt realise there was bad feeling between Chuck and SD. I'm still thinking it over.
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: docbigsby, honor amongst thievesturning that heartbeat over... playing a good clean game- sure, i'll rob you fair and square but i wouldn't try to kill anyone...
with a Buzz on though, i might not realize that the guy is actually dead because of how things went down and now i'm gonna have to live with that. hopefully for a long time? i'd promise ANYTHING [easy when you have a buzz on] ANYTHING if that one minor detail could get undone... really, i swear- grant this one favor and i'll NEVER do this shit again [like He hasn't heard THAT one before]
warmly
db
Posted by: SteveeDan, Moray Eel --
I probably read that post of yours back in '02, but, reading it again, I think that's a great interpretation of the song. I wonder if Fever Dreams has a significantly different interpretation.
Bway Stevo --
Back on April 21, 2005 you wrote a post about the Lyricon. You mentioned that you knew the fingering of the instrument because you could play the clarinet and they you wrote:
"The note that came out sounded like the Queen Mary but louder. It scared the shit out of everybody in the studio and blew out 4, 12" speakers on a Marshall cabinet. "
I was laughing so hard when I read this that I saved a copy of your post. I meant to comment about this last week but didn't get a chance to do so. Too bad that you had to pay the studio in order to be allowed to leave, but, that must have been one hysterical moment.
Oh, the things we do in our youth (or should I say, the things we try to re-create when we're older trying to recapture our youth ...)
Stevee(PonceDeLeon)Dan
Posted by: moray eel, ShyTownHere is an old post that I wrote on the "Heartbeat". A brief discussion followed. Fever Dreams has some good ideas also. Ole, if you are out there give a shout.
Date: Sat, November 16, 2002, 00:40:03 ET
Posted by: moray eel,
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
A guy robs a bar and it goes bad (stocking face,gun). He dies and goes to heaven/purgatory. He pleads with St. Michael and Jesus to reincarnate him (turn that heartbeat over again).
He promises that if they grant his request, he will live a good life the next time around (I'll keep my promise when...).
He knows the rules to living a good life:
1. Love your fellow man (Love your mama, love your brother...)
2. Avoid sinful pleasures. No more wild, "down and dirty" sex. From now on it should be with the lights off; no exposed flesh (keep your shirt on); and filled with tenderness and compassion (cry a jag on me).
They grant his wish and they reincarnate him.
He goes back to earth and gets into trouble again. This time he dies from a drug overdose (My poison's named, you know my brand. So please make mine a double, Sam).
He returns back to heaven/purgatory (and I've just come all the way).
There he meets the recently deceased William Wright (corpse), who now has the opportunity to be reincarnated. He warns to make the most of the chance and advises him to stay on the straight and narrow (not to cuss and drink all night).
William Wright doesn't listen. He makes the same mistakes as the protagonist (zombie see, zombie do) and blows his second chance.
William Wright dies (saw him laid to rest) and returns to heaven/purgatory (he's here with me and you).
m.e.
Posted by: The People of the Southland, heres to you...........
Flakes! Flakes!
Flakes! Flakes!
They don't do no good
They never be workin'
When they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin' mine
CALIFORNIA'S got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear t'God they got the most
At every city on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
They got the Flakes
One Two Three Four!
Flakes! Flakes!
We are millions 'n millions
We're coming to get you
We're protected by unions
So don't let it upset you
Can't escape the conclusion
It's probably God's Will
That civilization
Will grind to a standstill
And we are the people
Who will make it all happen
While yer children is sleepin',
Yer puppy is crappin'
You might call us Flakes
Or something else you might coin us
We know you're so greedy
That you'll probably join us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're coming to get you, we're coming to get you
We're coming to get you, we're coming to get you
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI'm only an early 21 myself. I started getting into Steely Dan though when I was only about 17 or 18. It was in my junior and senior years of high school that I first started to really get into the band at all and figure out what songs they'd done. Most of my friends don't have a damn clue as to who Steely Dan is other than maybe one or two songs (who DOESN'T know Hey Nineteen or Reelin' in the Years?).
These are the people, however, that instantly get upset if I ever mention the word "jazz" to them. They associate jazz instantly with smooth jazz. Even _I_ can't stand most of that stuff. Though I did get caught rather off-guard once when I heard the Weather Channel (a smooth jazz TV station! lol) doing one of my favorite Jeff Lorber songs, Uncle Darrow's. There's some quite good Rhodes playing there; if you're not familiar with it, I suggest you check out the Philly Style album as well as his new one, Flipside. But moving along, yes, Steely Dan fandom is quite rare among us younger folk, sadly. My mother and uncles listened to Aja when they were 18 (I know this for a fact, Deacon Blues is her fav off that album). What are 18 year olds listening to these days? It is for damn sure anything but Don & Walt. It's Snoop Dogg and Lil' Jon and 50 Cent or Blink 182 and Franz Ferdinand and Nickelback. *shudder*
Posted by: Weekend Diarist aka Weekday Douche aka..., The BoutiqueBesides my recently self-appointed role as the "in the vicinity" and "further away" cop of the Blue Book, I'm busy mocking everyone who posts about the great time they had the past weekend, getting together sharing the things they know and love. Mocking aside, what would I do if I couldn't exploit such posts and stories in my book, "Douchebag Novel?"
Messages like these definitely make people who have inside knowledge of Steely Dan want to post here!
Isn't Celine Dion fabulous?! Steely Dan isn't that great.
DouchÈ!
Posted by: Gretchen, laPaul, I didn't realize you are only 18! Your words and your knowledge of music make you sound very sophisticated and wise beyond your years. You also have excellent taste in music, which is encouraging to see in an 18 year old. Hopefully you will be able to see SD or at least Donald tour in the near future, I know thatI and all the other (old?) folks on this board would love to hear your take on it!
G
Posted by: Paul, Major Dude, you certainly listen to music closer to your age group than I do! I'll be 18 in early June. Oddly enough, I have a meeting tonight also, but I don't think in the same sense as yours... Take care of yourself.
Posted by: Major Dude, Columbus, IndianaDan Belcher- I agree. I used to live in New Albany only about 3 years ago. I miss KDF (Kentucky Derby Festival Events)and still watch the balloon glow (wx permitting) and all the activities using my rabbit ears so I can druel over Carrie Harned. I did some radio in Louisville and now I am news director of 4 stations in Columbus.
Paul-Your explanation is better than mine on "Heartbeat".
I also agree on the contageon of Steely Dan. Not a big Pink Floyd fan but generally love the Beatles.
I will be 31 on Mothers Day but I don't neccesarily listen to the "stuff" that people my age do.
Im leaving for the day. I am at work and come in at 4 am. Plus I have a meeting tonight.
Take Care
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYMy opinion of Slang of Ages? In a word, awesome. Walter has a deep, unique voice that fits well with the blues. Slang has a great bluesy edge, a nice bouncy song. Plus, if nothing else, you can't help but love that interlude! Brilliant.
Posted by: Paul, My initial intepretation of heartbeat is that the story follows the mind of somebody who's killing somebody. The first vocal part describes the situation in which he and his cronies are actually going to do the deed; rhe style suggests that they're all over-confident. The second part (chorus) is during the actual deed and they're all hysterical..."keep you shirt on"! Then the third part (still chorus) is after the deed, and the narrator regrets what has happened for whatever reason, so he calls to Jesus to turn the now stopped heartbeat of the dead over again (revive him). Sound even minutely plausable?
Blues Beach is a cool song. Lots of cool little quirks, like "paranymphic glider". I've been calling my car that lately and people just look at me with a confused "what?" look on their face. A friend who actually knew what paranymphic meant (or at least knew the root word, paranymph) laughed and told me I was dreaming :D
Oh, and Major Dude, your "sickness" is a viral contageon. 80% of time I listen to music, it's Dan. 19% of the time it's Pink Floyd, and the other 1% is filled with various classic rock artists. Once in a while I go on a Beatles spree, though, where I listed to them for a week solid.... I listen to the Dan primarily while I work, as I find it helps me to escape the monotony.
Take care.
Posted by: Major Dude, live at 5Paul-I have always been a Dan fan but took a few years off and recently came back to listen to everything. I went out and bought CBAT, PL, 2VN, EMG AND Fagans Kamakiriad. I heard Blues Beach at one of the radio stations I work for and liked it.
I have had correspondence with a few others on here via e-mail and have told them that I have become obsessed with S.D.
I almost have a sickness of not listening to anything else. I have a couple different jobs and they both keep me busy so when I sit down and relax I want the good stuff ya know?
I love the Becker Slang of Ages. I think he has such an attitude in his voice. Pretty cool.
"Kings" is kind of deep but if you listen to it, it makes perfect since from what Rajah said. Hell, I have no reason to doubt it.
Midnight Cruiser is also excellent. It has such a (for lack of a better term) "hippie" edge. I know it was the time of the season and all that but it's amazing to listen to then and now and love it all.
I too go through phases and I am still trying to figure out "heartbeat". I thought it was him professing to the world they are athiests because:
"Oh Michael, Oh Jesus, I'll keep my promise when you turn that heartbeat over again"
How did I get that? No, not years of smoking pot but
a)Michael and Jesus biblical characters
b)keep my promise (be a better Christian, person, etc.)
c)turn that heartbeat over again (when your heart starts beating again and you can show me you exist, then I will keep my promise??
Not to get too deep but hey, I am open for discussion.
I hope you all are well.
Kevin
Posted by: Rajah, Weekend Diarist!
That post was one of the funniest things I 've read on this or any board in a while. Is that what we sound like? Yikes, that's funny, touche my friend, and well done.
So tell ya what, and with no rancor whatsoever, lemme just back off here and be entertained by y'all.
Baba Ride Like the Wind Rajah
Posted by: Major Dude, live at 5Paul-I have always been a Dan fan but took a few years off and recently came back to listen to everything. I went out and bought CBAT, PL, 2VN, EMG AND Fagans Kamakiriad. I heard Blues Beach at one of the radio stations I work for and liked it.
I have had correspondence with a few others on here via e-mail and have told them that I have become obsessed with S.D.
I almost have a sickness of not listening to anything else. I have a couple different jobs and they both keep me busy so when I sit down and relax I want the good stuff ya know?
I love the Becker Slang of Ages. I think he has such an attitude in his voice. Pretty cool.
"Kings" is kind of deep but if you listen to it, it makes perfect since from what Rajah said. Hell, I have no reason to doubt it.
Midnight Cruiser is also excellent. It has such a (for lack of a better term) "hippie" edge. I know it was the time of the season and all that but it's amazing to listen to then and now and love it all.
I too go through phases and I am still trying to figure out "heartbeat". I thought it was him professing to the world they are athiests because:
"Oh Michael, Oh Jesus, I'll keep my promise when you turn that heartbeat over again"
How did I get that? No, not years of smoking pot but
a)Michael and Jesus biblical characters
b)keep my promise (be a better Christian, person, etc.)
c)turn that heartbeat over again (when your heart starts beating again and you can show me you exist, then I will keep my promise??
Not to get too deep but hey,
Posted by: Paul, A rather humorous communicae but I wonder about the legitimacy. I wouldn't be suprised if Don himself wrote it! :) Besides, I thought recording for the new album was completed, at least, that's what it says on his website ... maybe another project is in the works?
Posted by: Gretchen, Flip flop boutique at the nudist colony in CoronaI'll take this as GOOD news......perhaps it won't be long now? Isn't it A-bout time?
Meanwhile, check out this link, it may be a perfect intro to the Steely Dan Fan reality show:
http://www.richpulin.com/music.html
And STEVE, please keep your eyes covered on Saturday and remember to give me the full (frontal) report on the show.......
G
Posted by: father william, May 2nd, 05
donaldfagen.com received the following communication on April 28th.
--Lewis
I, Viktor
writing to site in desperation to protekt the wellness of great musical
artist Donald Fagen who cannot protekt even self. I explain.
Is not so funny when coming from Yuroslavl, great university, with
masters in biochemistry and mathematics and then having to work in
Greek-American delicatessen delivering orders to westside New York City
offices and studios. Who could imagine in one such place was rekording
beautiful musician Fagen with a new solo projekt koming soon. Long time
I have loved this music to listen in deep thought or just to getting
down and boogie. I koming there almost every day with brown bags of
food for engineers, saxophone players, gorgeous girl background singer,
you name it. What food for engineers? Healthy. Saxophone? Healthy. Girl
singer? Healthy. Donald Fagen? The grilled cheese with the krisp bacon
and the greasy french fries! Kan you be believing this! It's a heart
attack that could be waiting to happen, am I right?
And I, Viktor, who loves this man, am the bearer of this toxik avenger!
My apologies, but I had to be getting this weight off my chest. With
financial help of Uncle Pavel I will tomorrow ending my delivery job
and begin course of paramediks. As my farewell to this episode in my
life, I will compose heartfelt letter to Donald Fagen konfessing my
koncerns together with suggestions for a checkup and dietary tips as
well leading to a long healthy life.
Excuse me, I remain yrs truly, Viktor
Posted by: Weekend Diarist, SouthlandJust wanted to thank Rodrigo for wearing flip flops this weekend and drinking 6 cases of brew before emabarking home for Europe. Call me! I can show you how to tie that slip knot.
And tell Chester he did a great job holding the water bottles for the ZZ Top tribute band! Tell him to call me! His grandmother's ex roommate's ex husband has a daughter who heard a Steely Dan song once!
Messages like these definitely make people who have inside knowledge of Steely Dan want to post here!
Posted by: Rajah , L.A.Pauly, Kings is about Richard the Lionheart, the second Plantagenet of the Angevin line who decamped the English army from its native shore to wage the senseless Third Crusade, keeping a promise he made to his illustrious father, Henry II, to retake the Holy Land. He only spent 6 months of his reign in England, leaving the realm in the hands of his weak and duplicitous younger brother, John of Lackland. He took the Holy City of Jerusalem twice but alas, the forces of the redoubtable Saladin prevailed in the end leaving Richard's troops battered, hungry, destitute and with a long, long, long walk home.
Posted by: Paul, Major Dude: "Midnite Cruiser" is one of my favorite Dan songs... brings out the dreary archetecture of my soul. I've never really gotten into "Heartbeat", though I listened to it this morning on the way to school, and made some major lyric interpretations. It's a pretty cool song really, the three different vocal styles divide up the narrator's thoughts perfectly. It's an interesting psychological phenomena. As for "Kings", I really don't know what to think. Is there supposed to be deeper meaning there? I can't find it, I'm going to check out the feverdreams about it one of these days.
I hated Slang of Ages the first couple times I heard it, but actually, I didn't like the album as a whole the first couple time I heard it. I like the album better now, and I used to really like Slang a lot, but I've been listening to the early stuff a lot lately and Slang doesn't rub well with my mood.
Posted by: Rajah, I've been waiting so long...Trundling toward antiquity, enfeebled spectres of their former selves, languid and bittersweet...but inspirational nonetheless:
http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=473782005
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1115124843757_110534043/?hub=Entertainment
http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2005-05-03T095933Z_01_JON335919_RTRUKOC_0_ARTS-CREAM.xml
Posted by: Major Dude, rollin with the homies and knockin on woodHello Dan Friends-
I recently discovered "Midnight Cruiser", "Kings" and "Turn that heartbeat over again" from CBAT.Can I get some thoughts on these songs from each of you?
Also what is everyones opinion on Slang of Ages sang by Becker. I love it and wondered if people hate it or love it.
Im a big fan and still continue to discover new stuff.
Kevin
Posted by: heymike, chgo Badge is one of the coolest songs of all time...
Posted by: Ann, BorneoRemember Cream? .....35 years on.....Go to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/
for a review of their re-union concert at the Royal Albert Hall, London. Ginger Baker, now 65 looking younger now than he did then!!! Clapton, now 60!!! and Jack Bruce 61, recovering from a liver transplant.
As I'm beginning to find out, nothing great about old age, except maybe.....Cream!!
Rock-on Wrinklies!
Ann
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Awaiting the roosterHere's some mindless entertainment to further reduce workplace productivity...
http://www.music-map.com/steely+dan.html
SOH
Posted by: Howard, Agree, it's DF playing acoustic piano on the Black Cow demo. Superb track, great to hear how all the key elements (tasty voicings, intro bass riff, unexpected changes in the keyboard solo section etc) are all there, though some parts were reworked before the final version.
I also love the voice+piano demo of Gaucho. Donald really nails this, and although it as a few rough edges, the passion and fire in the piano and voice really make this demo shine!
Howard
Posted by: Little Wild One, no high climberFunny thing, the last time I was in Vegas with a handle in my hand, there was this slot machine called "Cops and Doughnuts." And when you got a bonus spin, the goal was to feed the cop (he could have been from NY or maybe Sweden, say) as many trays of dougnuts as he could eat until I think he finally burst. Actually, it was kind of grotesque....
This week's update from SW Airlines has San Diego as the featured destination for anyone wanting to share that SoCal love. And as someone else mentioned, Michael McDonald is touring all summer, with 3 nights added at Chicago's Navy Pier in mid September.
What is summer without a gathering of DanFans?
Posted by: W1P, AgouraGood to see you wont be "hanging" in some bar this weekend. Oh, and by the way, I think you will be seeing which ones' pink this weekend too.
I've noticed that Gilmour bend in Glamour too -- Hank Easton showed it to me
Posted by: SteveeDan, Back from the studio - new gig plans !W1P - I wanted to REALLY congratulate you and the band on the Alan Parsons event. That is just fantastic, that is really what I think ...
Oh by the way, I was listening to "Glamour Profession" and I was checking out the Outro guitar solo (for like the 1,000th time) and I have to say that the sound of the guitar and some of the licks played in that solo are truly reminiscent of David Gilmour's (if it IS Gilmour) playing on "Another Brick In The Wall". Does anyone else "hear" this simularity? Have I written about this before?
I am playing a gig this Saturday night in Corona, California (where is that ? ... I don't know either ...) with the leader of a Santana band. It is a "70's Rock" gig at ... get this ...
A Nudist Colony !! This is the reason why I can't go see Which One's Pink? in Agoura. Instead of being able to see Dark Side Of The Moon performed live in its entirety, I will instead get to see an entirely different moon (or is that moons ? Yeesh !). And I doubt VERY HIGHLY that there will be any beauty queens on parade in the buff. I think it will most likely resemble a National Geographic documentary.
Crazy is as crazy does I suppose.
(Bah ba ba Bahhhh Bah. Bah ba ba Bah Bah Bah Ba Ba Bahhh ...)
Stevee(Groovy Nudie)Dan
Posted by: W1Bars, Bars, Bars, Bars, Bars, Paladino's, BarsWhen I breakdown in the middle and lose my thread, no one can understand a word that I say. I still can't believe that the guy who engineered The Dark Side of the Moon album and tour is going to do Which One's Pink? Great Googily Moogily!
Posted by: Gretchen, with Dr Tar and Prof FeatherJoe!! Can you join us? Alan Parsons is doing the mixing for W1P Sat night, it should be something to see. Call me......
G
Posted by: Rajah, LAI think the Mrs. and I are going to catch Which One's Pink at the Canyon Club in Agoura Hills, 15 dollar cover, dinner reservations required, no phone, no pool, no pets, hey Joe, put down those cigarettes! Join us if you can, cobber.
Baba Breakin' Down In The Middle fer shur Rajah
Posted by: Gretchen, homeOk, even Cathy Beerberian knows there's one roulade she can't sing. Did you know that? Life is unreal.
G
Posted by: JoeyKahuna, FurtherSouthCops are soooooo tense these days...
Hey-What bar are you guys going to this weekend?
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Alright already, talk to me about Steely Dan then.
Posted by: Cop, Further AwayYeah I wish could enthrall the 2000 people who read this board with what bar I go to every weekend. We're all here with bated breath.
Posted by: Gretchen, SouthlandCome on, Cop, you would be welcomed into this circle with open arms too. Don't be envious.
G
Posted by: hey cop, Hey "cop" - you forgot the first rule of statutory interpretation: read and then read on. Let he who is without sin etc.
"One way or another, please let us know your email address."
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Balls sufficiently busted but jeez lighten up there Officer Krupkie.
OK, so I'm in Amoeba yesterday, I cruise through all the Dan material as usual cause it changes everytime I go in there and I see yet another version of the pre-Dan compilations, you know, the Android Wearhouse, Sun Mountain and all the rest and I see one in there called simply, "Becker & Fagan." Can't even get the spelling of the man's name right. I can't think of any single group of demo recordings issued in so many variations, permutations and editions. Why, why, why? There must be a dozen of them or more and so I'm wondering, what is this fascination with them?
Riddle me that Columbo...or tell me somethin good...
Posted by: Cop, Vicinity"Please don't use the bluebook for private communication that should be conducted via email." Only about 15 times a day by Southern Cal contingent.
Posted by: Cop, VicinityWhy not read the rules of the board before posting about this subject?
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI obviously can't condone bootlegged items... however, a bootleg recording from the '03 tour DOES indeed exist. It just definately isn't the easiest thing in the world to find.
Posted by: Mock Turtle, How come there's yet to surface a bootleg of the most recent tour? (At least that I have access to...) Are the eBay listings more heavily policed these days or what? What's the deal, yo? They were great shows last time 'round - they seem to get better each time they head out.
Posted by: One of the Banyan Nine, flashback to cool summer nightsWhile house puttering over the weekend, it occurred to me how much I will miss Corneilus Bumpus should there ever be another SD tour.
On good authority, the Oz bird has landed safely and is already anticipating the next close encounter.
Rock on kids....
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.It's either this or knit humorous cummerbunds. I also have a rubberband ball I've been working on here at the office since '93.
Posted by: SteveeDan, At the Gurnsey FairCongratulations Gretchen !!!
I never thought a copy of Elton John's "Friends" would ever surface again. Bright pink color cover right?
Alan - Mate - - It was great to see you again. I will handle my new promise to you of PL DVDs in a reasonable time frame. One caveat: don't hold your breath, blue isn't your best color !!!
Rajah - how do you find the time to do all of the stuff you do on the internet ? ... on second thought, don't answer that. It's much more fun to guess. By the way, the house never looked better. Good work Mrs. Rajj.
Stevee(Room Raiders)Dan
Posted by: PQ, NYCLA Alert! The most acclaimed guitarist of the 2000s in a RARE LA gig at the Potato, Friday, May 20th. This is the *bomb* - Oz Noy on guitar, Jimmy Johnson on bass, Anton Fig on drums.
Posted by: Gretchen, Hoops and everyone, our dear friend Alan left our place around 9 am, bound for LAX. He, David, Steve and I had a very nice evening last night listening to all things Dan. Earlier in the day we took the big Kahuna to Malibu for lunch at Gladstone's. It's always sad to see him leave. Safe trip, mate, come back soon, our door is always open!
Steve, while trolling the bins at Amoeba Records today I finally found my long searched for Elton John soundtrack from the early 70's "Friends" film. Moody and melodic, my favorite track is still the title.
PS to Alan, how about considering dual citizenship? Float On.......
G
Posted by: edb, @the gorge Hoops
besides Roseland in my humble opinion,THE GORGE is something special
the sights,the sound system in conjunction with the natural acoustics.
Its outstanding-
However...could the locals provide something more in an accomodating fashion,then the infamous SUNDOWNER for lodging
When is that DF albun due?
ed
Posted by: hoops, just passing through really quickHope our buddy Alan got off to a good flight home today. Sounds like everyone had a great time. Congrats on the Alan Parsons help on your show W1P!
The second part of today's Sunday NY Times Arts section had a cover story on concert venues and a featured venue was The Gorge . It's also online: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/arts/music/01pare.html?
gotta run!
jim
Posted by: back to lurking, one step backback into orbit
Posted by: Daddy G., NJBeeTee, I just emailed you regarding your proposition. Happy to help out if I can, though as always I make no guarantees. A shame I didn't mention Plastic Fantastic sooner or I could have saved you the trip. Must have been a real bummer. I know it was to me and my friends the day we showed up and saw the "Going out of business" signs. Oh well. We can cover the rest of the details privately. I look forward to hearing back from you.
Posted by: BeeTee, Northampton, PADaddy G <<<<<
2 Sundays ago I decided to make a pilgrimage to my favorite Vinyl/CD/Collectible store Plastic Fantastic in Ardmore, PA. What a bummer. OUT OF BUSINESS.
Saw in your post, that you have a list of Philly area "favorite" stores. Would you care to share. I'll give you mine if you need an incentive.
PS: Tried to email you direct but your contact info is fuzzy.
Your help on this would be much appreciated. Thanks
"Skatin Backward at the Speed of Light"
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Posted by: suedave, I can sleep in tomorrow
Just as I started typing this, Black Cow appeared on the radio. How cool is that?
Mentioned before, though I'm not sure exactly how it was discovered... http://donaldfagen.com/i/artifacts/hoffman.jpg
Doesn't the guy with the beard look like one of my favorites?
Posted by: ss, crowded benchYeah Paul...if it were meant for KL, then Mr. Sam was in tough, but I think the same for RS as well. There are songs on both I like less than others, but what's done is done, and none is unworthy.
What happens to these neglected/unused tracks in the end ? They sound good to me,. Gaucho at 37:00 minutes and change couldn't have taken a Kulee Baba ? Everything too nuts by then ?
Posted by: ss, hkRajah....meant the Black Cow outtake. Who is playing ACOUSTIC piano on that? Consensus seems to be DF...and is sensible. Anyway, it's fab.
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