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Date: Thurs, April 21, 2005, 19:55:17 ET Posted by: fife, it feels like spring here in baltimore!
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September 2004-March 2005 BlueBook Entries.
APRIL 2005 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: angel, SS: I too go with Donald Fagen playing the piano on that outtake of Black Cow. (Sorry Rajah)
Mr. La Page: I believe we have a "stealth" Dan Fan who programs a Muzak type service, so I think that is why we hear them so much.
Somehow appropriate that you heard "Time out of Mind" in 2 places.
Pink One: From your bummer post yesterday, I figured somehow you and the wife would get the conflict solved. Glad that you did. Parsons is quite a feather in your cap.
Alan: I would have loved to attend the show last week and gotten to meet you in person. Unfortunately, the President of the U.S. must have gotten wind of my semi-plans/thoughts/dreams and decided to address the nation, which totally ruined my day.
Hey Ed Beatty! Long time no hear from you. :-)
Posted by: W1P, Agoura HillsAlan Parsons was the engineer on The Dark Side of the Moon and he mixed front of house sound for Pink Floyd on the Dark Side tour. On May 7, this is no joke, Alan Parsons will be mixing front of house for Which One's Pink? at the Canyon Club in Agoura Hills -- a show that will feature The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety.
My wife has agreed to delay our vacation to Mexico by one day. Short of having members of Pink Floyd sit in with our band, this is about as good as it can possibily get.
Posted by: Paul, Sparklin': Mr Sam was intended for Katy Lied. I wonder why it didn't make the cut, but I can't imagine what song they would remove to insert it. I can think of a couple candidates on Royal Scam, though...
Posted by: Mr. LaPage, Grinding through my weekend night gigUp all night, I could not sleep... a line from the Doobies tune South City Midnight Lady, which is one of my all-time favorite tunes. Anyone else think that it is an awesome song?
I'm up all night working the graveyard night gig. Just a couple things... My day gig requires a considerable amount of windshield time. My work truck has a cassette player, and on some days I play some of my old tapes. One tape I played today has a compilation of assorted favorites from different artists. There is one Dan song Time Out of Mind (the Jonestown song?) on that tape. Interesting thing was after I played it, a short time later I walked into Micky-Dees and caught the tail end of the same song on Muzak. What are the chances of that? Another thing, the very same tape has the afore-mentioned (by FACW) Can't Hide Love by E W & F on it. Yes, I agree that the outro is absolutely great. In fact, so great it is that I extended it on my reel-to-reel, doubling the length of the ending. Wasn't reel-to-reel mentioned recently also? Although, I never bought any pre-recorded stuff in that format. I just made my own tapes, a few with edited or extended versions of songs. One Dan edit I did was making the 45 version of "Do It Again" from the LP, just to see if I could do it. It came out decent, I must say.
JLaP.
Posted by: moray eel, youIt has to be Fagen on the piano on the Black Cow outtake.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.SS - That is the immortal Victor Feldman, the soul of Steely Dan in my mind, on electric piano on Black Cow and, for my money, a candidate for the absolute best Steely Dan song to date.
Kulee was a work in progress on Gaucho.
I think "East of Alan" might be an apt moniker at this time.
Posted by: Still Sparkin', East of Alan (for a change)A few questions on the outtakes:
Kulee Baba was meant to have been on which album ??? Ditto Mr. Sam ?
In the same way that I'll read the Sweet book one day...I'm just getting around to these gems.
Yeah, I Got the News is a stunner arranged in that alternate way.
The other one that stopped me cold was Black Cow. DF and a piano. Question: Who is playing the piano ?
Stripped bare I can see much better where the song came from...and getting back to chord voicings for a second, that seems a great example of the SD sound.
Posted by: FACW, hoops: Another Day of Innovation. I'm sitting on the sidelines with 10.3.8 for now - I could use a Spotlight in my life on and off the computer.
W1P: Oh, I should mention that Prison Food has some VERY Floyd-like bridge sections (the "Alone Again" and "Floating by like a satellite" parts especially)
I'd say Jesusland, Landed, and Prison Food are classics
Posted by: Paul, Sounds awesome. I wish there were places like that around here. Many could say, and I sometimes do, "that's what you get in a small town", but frankly 150 thousand+ is hardly small. And the metro area is over 400 thousand. Any world that I'm welcome to is better than the one I come from.
So Fagen's next album... I'm hoping the rumors about heavy latin influence are true. Personally, I'ld like to see some songs in early dan style, like CBAT/CTE early dan style.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJPaul, I live in South Jersey, east of Philly. Not a big town, but centralized well within easy reach of many decent record/CD stores in a heavily populated region. Probably moreso than much of Iowa, I would think, so yes, I'm lucky proximity-wise. (In fact friends have told me that >>I<< live in the middle of nowhere!) It helps too that a friend of mine is big---and I mean BIG---into collecting old vinyl records, so when I got around to upgrading from audio cassettes to CDs I was able to tag along to the many good stores that he frequents. (BTW I don't collect vinyl myself, but most of the stores had CDs too, of course, though not all.)
Unfortunately, the list of good shops is dwindling, but there are still a few left that are worth popping into once in a while. One of the best for selection (though not necessarily price), a place called Plastic Fantastic in Ardmore (West of Philly), went out of business in the last couple years. (They even literally had a sign in the window at the time that said "Everything Must Go!") The best store I have left for price and selection is in Princeton, a little more than an hour's drive away.
There's also a mini local chain (4 stores) here that is reasonably good for variety and price on used CDs and some of them have significant vinyl. That's not saying the quality is great on a lot of it, but they have it, usually cheap.
At one point when I was still in heavy upgrade mode I was keeping a list of all the record/CD stores and making notes of which ones were best. Between PA and NJ I had a list of about 50 shops I'd been to, with maybe ten of'em being what I considered to be really good, and less than a handful of great ones. Once we made about a 2.5 hour drive to check out a place we'd heard about only to find it was run by a surly guy who had an old abandoned diner filled---FILLED!---with records and you couldn't hardly move. Then he sent us with an assistant of his to a locked warehouse across the street with records stacked anywhere and everywhere to the ceiling. An interesting experience, but you couldn't really look around right and the head guy was something of a jerk, so we never went back. It almost seemed like he resented our being there at all for some reason even though he advertised in the phone book. I have no idea if the place is even still there. Seemed more like it should be an internet-type operation more than a walk-in place, but if that's the case he shouldn't advertise in the phone book. I've found that record store owners can sometimes be a bit "eccentric."
Posted by: PGE, SwedenSince my question about Sally Taylors 1998 "Tomboy Bride" did no business whatsoever here on the BlueBook I've decided to put "The Second Arrangement" on repeat this Friday evening. And you know what: It works! I'm happy again!
Recommended.
Have a great weekend.
Posted by: hoops, FACW:
April 29>
"We sniff you, Big Tiger
In the forest of the night"
Posted by: F, after = are
Posted by: FACW, Hoops, W1P: The Unnoficial Biography of Reinhold Meisner is the odd man out in Ben Folds' collection. Either you get it or you don't. Very eclectic and moody. Mess, Magic, Hospital are beautiful sad, songs. Army is the most accessible. The last with Ben Folds Five are the hits Whatever and Ever Amen and the eponymous debut. Reinhold's a little more hi-fi than the first tow. My favorite collection of Folds' songs remains on Rockin' the Suburbs. Ben has always been hypermelodic, but this sounds with the exception of the title track like a 60s greatest hits album. Under the sruface are some disturbing and/or quirky lyrics. Each song is it's own world. Ben pretty much recorded rockin' by himself playing every instrument except one cello and one guitar track.
Songs for Silverman was recorded in Nashville with a band: Jared Reynolds on bass and Lindsay Jamieson on drums recorded live tracking the old fashioned way. This one's Super Hi-Fi. Microphones place just right - very lively. Outstanding production with strings, tight harmonies. Ben's piano is amazing. A+ on production and engineering.
My favorite songs are Jesusland, Landed, Prison Food, then Gracie, Trusted, Sentimental Guy, and Time. More mature. Just didn't bring the A+ game with songwriting as on Rockin or on the recent EP SuperD - still A- isn't bad. I would replace Bastard, You to Thank, and Late (I know it's a tribute to Eliot Smith) with Wandering from the Speed Graphic EP, Adelaide, Kalamazoo, and Get Your Hands Off My Womand from SuperD, and leave the original Give Judy My Notice with piano only from Speed Graphic In fact, that's exactly what' I'll do with iTunes - then we've got an A on songwriting.
Posted by: Paul, Iowa AKA Middle of nowhereDaddy G, where the hell do you live?? In my town, I've found about 6 different CD trading stores (not including retail, like Best Buy, Target, etc.), and out of all 6, 3 have Steely Dan CDs, and none have more than 3 at a time. I'm going to assume you must live in a town with a population higher than 150K?
I'm getting kind of fed up with the midwest. No wonder most of my shopping is internet based...
Posted by: Daddy G., NJRajah: Entirely my fault, so no need to apologize. I never claimed to be the hippest of dudes around here (quite the reverse actually), but usually I can at least tell the jokey stuff from the serious. I blame my gullibility (in this one instance) on two things: 1) I was in a hurry doing a Blue hit and run, and 2) my recent diminishment of wisdom. Yeah, that's it. Oh well, we all get suckered in on something once in a while. It just makes the gag funnier, giving others something to "Sheesh!" about. :-)
Caught the very tail end of Joe Jackson/Todd Rundgren/Ethel on Conan last night. Not enough to comment, really---all I saw was a portion of Jackson's vocal on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."
Popped into a couple CD/record stores today. Didn't buy anything except the empty CD cases I needed for some personal compilations I'm working on. But in the context of older formats of Dan records, the first store had about 50 records on the floor and at the very front of one of the two rows was "Gaucho." Then the next store I hit had a lot more vinyl and "Royal Scam" was at the very front of one of their stacks. Always good to see SD out in front of the pack.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Passed out on the stairsWe (the Pretzel Logicians) want to thank Gretchen, Rajah, South 'O Ho, and Alan A. from down under for hanging out with us last night. That was tons of fun. We all had a great time. Rajah - thank you as always for the great "Master of Ceremonies" duties.
You will all notice that I didn't SHAMELESSLY PLUG this gig this time. No time to do it is why.
We'll be back there (at La Ve Lee) on Thursday June 2nd. Set your calendars to "stun".
These gigs have truly become a party. Who knew that anything remotely like that could continue so many years after high school (and all those weekends at the college ...) ??
Hello to all my friends here. Back to bed and the "gig videos".
Stevee(The Nudge)Dan
Posted by: Shy, shaw.caHere's my theory on who "the beard" could be:
Levon Helm.
with Amy and pals on background, of course. Libby's pharmacist as tour manager/producer. And so on.
Seriously though Ladles and Germs, I think we're missing the boat trying to think of what arrangement or pairing would "make sense" to us. I think the point is IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE, and it probably won't.
just my toonie...
In any case I'm just over eager for a new CD.
Posted by: W1P, MySpacehttp://www.myspace.com/benfolds
The new Ben Folds Five video exclusively at MySpace (join the Which One's Pink? MySpace group while you're there!)
Posted by: Spiffo The Porcelain Polisher, China ClosetYou understand? By 1973, or whnever Pretzel Logic came out, he was so sick of the Southland that all he could stand to do with it was tour it in a traveling minstrel show. No more, no less. Dig?
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Great show, Stevee, thanks as always, great to be with some of my favorite people, seeing them having such a wonderful time, sharing these things we know and love. Our Awesome Aussie Alan is becoming a California beach bum, he showed up wearing the dreaded, "flip-flops." South is having a corrupting influence, I fear. Grette and H'wood sang some God-awful song from the 70s called, "Float On" all the way home in the car. Oh, what a stinker that tune was.
Daddy, sorry for leading you astray, guess I was trying to be too cute, my apologies my friend, but Diecast IS touring with Napalm Death and Most Precious Blood all over Germany and Scandanavia. I'd rather have my toenails ripped out before attending that headbangin shit. But I'm sure W1P will be all over it...
OK, well if not Mike McD, who else BUT Walter? Donald and Todd Rungren never seemed, I dunno, like a good fit. Donald accompanying him on the "Bang on the Drum" encore? No, that would be like Frank singing "They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha-Ha!"
Posted by: W1P, Mexico, it sounds so sweetFrom the desert to the sea and to all of Southern California a good evening. Stand by for news
Yesterday sucked. The wife went to see a play out of obligation to a neighbor who was in it. This left me with Aja and Layla -- normally the coolest of cool thing ya know. Of course, Pretzel Logic is playing about 2 miles from my house but NO, I've got babysitting duties. Strike One. About 3 pm, I got a call from the booker at Paladinos telling me that the Foo Fighters had just called and asked to do an unannounced gig at 10 pm Strike Two. And for the coup eh de graw, at around 9:00 pm, I get a call from Larry Isenberg (W1P keyboards) to tell me that a major Pink Floyd-related individual has agreed to mix our sound at The Canyon on the evening May 7 featuring a performance of The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety. My flight to Cabo San Lucas leaves at 11:23 a.m. on Saturday May 7. Strike Three, you're out. One shot, hey, mas tequila, two shots, hey hey
Posted by: Geographer, So CalSouthland is what So Ca people call their neck of the swamp.
Posted by: Hunh?, the Rio GrandeI always thought the Southland was below the Mason Dixon....where the hell am I?
Speaking of, Earth Wind and Fire is touring with Chicago again this summer.
Posted by: FACW, Is there a better musical moment in the 70s than the outtro to Earth Wind and Fire's Can't Hide Love
Posted by: Gretchen, you want it, you got itAnother stellar performance by Pretzel Logic, many thanks to the band for this especially enlightening show. Dave Hill is unf*****g believable, every note is right on, a true professional in every sense of the word. And Mark sounds more like Donald each time I see him........
Steve, your solos were fantastic as usual, thanks for a great evening.
If you haven't seen this band, please make the effort to do so, wherever you are in the Southland. It's worth the trip.
Thanks also to Alan and South of Hollywood for a very memorable occasion for Rajah and me. It's great to be with my Steely Dan family. Now about that psychedelic Winnebago retirement home......
G
Posted by: Daddy G., NJBut I believe everything I read on the internet, Rajah!
I thought you were only kidding about the Napalm & Most Precious Death tour part. I was willing to take your word for it at the time. I should know better! Didn't have time to check the diecast link then. With the names of today's newfangled bands I can never tell when someone's joshing.
Thanks for the correction. Sorry to be so tragically unhip, just one of my many curses.
Posted by: Rajah, LAJust teasing, the jetta song is Molly's Chambers by Kings of Leon:
http://www.kingsofleon.com/kolflash.html
Gretchen won't stop dancing to it, does anyone have some sedatives out there?
I thought Pippi Longstockings was a load!
Posted by: Daddy G., Are you reelin' in the years?Rajah: Thanks for the info on Diecast. I've been wondering about that song in the commercial too, but never think to Google it (or ask anyone) when I get online.
Hoops: Thanks for the info on the Dylan/Haggard show. I appreciate it. I eventually did check the Dylan site and saw they have Dylan's set lists posted for every show thus far ( http://bobdylan.com/live/spring2005setlists.html#20050401 ---didn't know which one you attended). I noticed that some nights he was doing Haggard's "Sing Me Back Home" as the first encore song. I was just surprised to read about Haggard on the bill because I had no idea Dylan was (or ever would be) touring with him (or Nelson upcoming) and I was pretty sure you didn't mention that part. Not that there was any reason to, mind you---I'm sure there aren't many country fans 'round these here parts. :-) Thought maybe the show was organized such that you were able to bypass Haggard (since I have no idea if you're the least bit interested in anything country yourself).
BTW, Donald might do "Bang The Drum All Day" if he could change it to "Bang The Keytar All Day." :-)
And now thanks to you I'll have to drag out my Tony Orlando and Dawn collection! :-)
Still in 70s mode... Was listening today to my Hall & Oates "Atlantic Collection" (early H&O) and reading the liner notes. I'd forgotten that Todd Rundgren worked with them (producer & musician) on "War Babies."
Daryl Hall speaks of Rundgren: "The album that we made with Todd was very chaotic, but I was in that head space then.... Making that record was pretty much a crazy, intense, psychedelic experience. It wasn't too much fun for me, and I'm kind of ambivalent about that album. We made the album in about five weeks. Todd was very quick in the studio, and the ideas were flying fast and furious. Todd and I butted heads a bit---he's an uncompromising person and so am I. It's very much of a Todd Rundgren-sounding album because of his guitar playing and the way it was mixed and everything. We had mixed feelings about the album---we felt that Todd's hand was a little too heavy on it."
Of course, that was a long time ago, but for what it's worth just thought I'd throw those Hall remembrances of Rundgren out there. I'm sure it's not the least bit relevant to any potential or aborted Donald/Todd collaborations current day.
Posted by: edb, @workRaj,
Costa Mesa 2003...was it by the faux grass shack?
Did I present you with a party favor?
I may not remember you but If memory serves me right...you just recently married Gretchen and I was at Roseland(oh god what a night 2x)and all I remember of her is the back of her head as she worshiped Donald
ed
Posted by: Rajah, L.AWe met and spoke briefly at Costa Mesa in '03 prior to showtime. I'm deeply wounded that you fail to recall. Oh, forgot, didn't have my Turban on, that's always a dead give-away.
Posted by: edb, @workRajah,
I don't believe we have met...
"and just tell a few stories about the old days"
why WOULD anyone want to listen to me?
ed
Posted by: PGE, SwedenQuestion:
What about Donald & Walters work on on Sally Taylors 1998 "Tomboy Bride"? Is it a must-have for a Steely Dan fan?
And what about the album as a whole? I managed to hear the title tack and "The Complaint" and found them nice enough, but someplace else on the big ol' WWW a reviewer of her second album didn't think much of Sally and her music.
hoops: Last reel-to-reel Steely Dan album? I'd say Gaucho. But what do I know. They stopped marketing and distributing those contraptions over here in Sweden way before Aja was out.
Posted by: Armey Archer, HollywoodDateline: Cameron Crowe, Rickie Lee Jones, Gary Beck, Mark Abel all together on the Paramount lot, rumor has it" a remake of FM in the works, with a southern California reality.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.The song on the Jetta commercial is "Rise and Oppose" by a band called Diecast, see them this summer touring with Napalm Death and Most Precious Blood:
http://www.bhcdiecast.com/
Riiight...I think I'll opt for the Allmans, Pavarotti and McCartney. Holy Jesus, I'm old.
Ed, you'd be great opening for Donald, just tell a few stories about the old days, and BTW, thank God and Greyhound for you EDB, I think you might be the only one older than me around here.
Baba AARP Rajah
Posted by: hoops, Hey Mr LaPage, SueDave, and all the rest .
It's design reviews week at work so I'm very busy although I peek in here every now and then. Finals next week.
Sharke De Ville: Right on!!! If I heard someone with a beard might be touring with Donald Fagen, of course I would IMMEDIATELY think of Walter...well, OK, I admit it...first I'd think of edb and *then* Walter.
But just to throw a twist into this and the other speculations; given how much time Donald put into Kama (12 years) and how Walter said in 1993 he'd pretty much have to start over again if he didn't finish 11TOW before the tour, what's to say DF & WB don't re-record some or all of what DF has worked on--or maybe they start with something entirely differfent???? Hey...I'm just trying to mix things up a bit, you know :-)
Gretchen: Regarding the Jetta commercial and the song that you refer to, I believe the band that did it was interviewed this past week on NPR's "Morning Edition" or "Weekend EditionóSunday." Check their archives.
Flipkid: "Katy Lied" is most oddly Steely Dan. I have been known to call it my favorite SD album. "Why 'better' music in Europe than in the U.S.???" American's want homogeneityóbest exemplified and fostered by the environment known as the suburbs. BTW: That's what the edge of "The Nightfly" is all about, as someoneas someone pointed out. Speaking of Europeans appreciating things more than Americans, I will never forget the ovation Walter received at SD's Paris 2000 show.
I have a Ben Folds CD (with his band). Love "Army" but I can't say overall that particular album was hugely ground breaking for me.
DaddyG: Haggard is on pretty much all the dates for this leg of Bob Dylan's never ending tour. The format is a local act, followed by Haggard and then Dylan. Haggard did some interesting stuff, including "Unforgettable" (made famous, of course, by Nat Cole) as well as "Okie From Muskogee" (sp?) which is so overplayed that Haggard seems slightly embarrassed. (The song is inspired by his dad.) Dylan has a lot of opening acts through recent years, but they have been far from your typical openers. I've been at Dylan shows featuring the openers Phil Lesh and friends and Paul Simon. It was amusing when Dylan filled in for Art Garfunkel's parts on "Sounds of Silence." (BTW: Paul Simon says it's "Sound of Silence" when he sings it alone and "Sounds of Silence" when he teams up with someone to perform it.) But of course, other Dylan "openers" have included Joni Mitchel and Van Morrison (same show!), Willie Nelson, Grateful Dead, etc. Dylan says it's his way of tipping his hat to other greats. My dream is for Leonard Cohen to open for him, but methinks, from the sound of LC's vox on his last album, that won't happen.
2vN was the last SD album on cassette in the USA. I remember a 2000 interview with D + W and W wonders why the record company even bothers with cassette. I say "Gaucho" was the last SD album on 8-Track. 2vN was out on LP in Europe but the LP master was never approved by Steely Dan; however, there was an LP of EMG wish I would love to get my hands on, and I could kick myself for never picking up Kama when I saw it on LP in the States back in 1993. 11TOW was out on CD and cassette...don't think it was out on LP. Here's one for you...last SD album commercially released on Reel-to-Reel??? Remember when you could buy albums in that format?
Daddy G: I bet I have the same Rundgren CD compilation you have. It's also what I got out and played when I heard DF was hanging with him. I also have somewhere a couple of Utopia cassettes I made back when college FM radio stations would play entire albums for poor, starving students like me to tape. Righto! I think it would be torture for Donald to play "Bang on The Drum" night after night. It's a clever song, but I'd be like SueDave, (Hi!), banging a broom handle on the ceiling after about 5 minutes of that. In fact, maybe it could inspire a sequel, "Bang on the Ceiling" but then again there was "Knock Three Times" which goes on my list of insidious songs to get stuck in your head. In fact, the whole Tony Orlando and Dawn cannon goes on that list.
Speaking of which, was the juxtaposition of "American Pie" and "Killing Me Softly With His Song" intentional? Exuse me if you know this but I find it fascinating that one song inspired the other. Charles Fox and Norman Gimbel wrote "Killing Me Softly With His Blues" for Lori Lieberman. Subsequently, Lori was so impressed by Don McLean's live performance of "American Pie" at the legendary Troubadour that the song's lyrics and music were radically modified to its final version which became "Killing Me Softly With His Song." Of course, Roberta Flack got her mitts on it, etc. So "His Song" is in fact "American Pie." I gotta say, I liked "American Pie" back when it came out, but I hardly think of it as the kinda song to bed women with, as suggested in "Killing Me..." Tangentially, the anomaly about the single of "American Pie" was that you had to flip the 45 over to hear both parts. Speaking of Roberta Flack, I'm not nuts about a lot of her stuff, but "First Take" is one of my all time favorite albums.
Got your message Alan. Hope the trip is going well.
jim
Posted by: Sven Svensen, Lilliehammer, NorwayYah, yah, dis happened to myself alzo, Annika, I had zee froshtbiite on my schweenie afetr zee big blizzard of 1981 zthru 1989, ko-inciding of course mitt der Donald's blokkages unt zsuch and vas only saved by the tender ministrations of mine galpal, Berta, Queen of Norwegians. It vas hard as rock, lemme tell ya. Vee al schould be zo luckie.
Prozit!
Posted by: edb, @workOk...
the word is out
Donald is touring with me
ed (with beard ) beatty
Posted by: sharkdeville, my mom's old schoolman with a beard = Walter?
so what's the drop date on donald's new disc???
Posted by: Annika , OsloThis is interesting
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Posted by: Gretchen, what a long strange trip it was......Suedave, funny you should mention the RS "Shattered," that is THE song I used to love but now cannot tolerate due to the overuse on supposedly "classic" radio stations. There are about 26 songs, probably the same ones nationwide, that play all day and night on those stations where even Baba O'Reilly is considered a "deep cut!"
Alan, call me, mate. Looking forward to spending the evening with my 4 favorite Dan guys: hubby, you, South, and of course the fabulous Steve.
Hey, thinking about new music, does anyone have an idea who the group is who does the song that plays on the VW Jetta commercial (the one where the guy and girl are dancing around annoying the landlord)? Is it the Vines? Great song.......
About Mike McDonald, I heard rumors that he was going to be one of the many "Sittin' In" guests with the Loggins and Messina reunion tour this summer. Apparently the duo have patched up their differences and are going out on tour with different guests at each show. Could Donald be a possibility?
G
Posted by: Girlfriend, freezin' in the merciless raysMike McDonald is already waaaayyyy booked for his summer tour. I'm looking at an August date in a city with two names.
Wishful thinking for fall intimate club dates though...
Lovin' the Faces in the Fresco blurb. Who knows?
Posted by: Due with Buzz, thin airKen Emerson, the steel guitarist from Hawaii who played on the KULA gig, also asked to play on Donald's album... And then there's singer-songwriter/guitarist Erika Luckett, she had a CD release party on Hawaii, Donald attended it and had his agent contact Erika the next morning... Plus a bassis Freddie Washington, he mentioned recording for Donald in a blog or something, and then there was someone else mentioning it on his website too...
But you never know what and who will really be on, right?
Posted by: angel, Adding to the Rajah's list of "what we know" about The Donald's" album....
Wayne Krantz
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.We know from reports that Donald had recording sessions late last summer or early fall in NYC from Keith Carlock. We also know Donald was in Hawaii for a time after the new year and recorded vocal tracks until early March. We have some veiled innuendo that the record might be tinged heavily with a Latin-jazz or samba influence a la Carlos Jobim. We know that contrary to comments last year by Todd Rungren those two will most probably not be sharing a bill anytime in the next few months, Todd stated later that Donald had most probably finished writing all the songs for his record so there would be no collaboration in that regard. We then heard from "Q" who is with one degree of separation from the Sultan of Snark that perhaps someone "with a beard" might be stepping out to tour with him. Now whom do we know that has a beard and might be a viable candidate?
My guess: Michael McDonald. So I'm spearding that rumor in hopes that it might come true. Fake it till you make it is my rationale.
Fife, honey, I permanently scarred my daughter by incessently playing Aja when it came out, she used to spin around the room in a free form interpretive dance to Deacon Blues. Now that she's all grown up, she (and my otherwise saintly my son-in-law) can't stand anything Dan. Oh, how sharper than a sepent's tooth it is to have an ungrateful child. But that's OK, I can't stand her Radiohead records.
So neener, neener, neener,
Papa God Bless the Child Who's Got Her Own Rajah
Posted by: fife, what a beautiful day in the neigbhorhoodAll this talk about people killing certain music for others reminded me that I'm sure there are at least a dozen people out there that can't stand to listen to AJA, that was my doing of course! I was 17, living on my own and of course my apartment was party central. The only problem was that as soon as I got a few beers in me I would put on AJA and I would play it over and over again, it was my abode after all! Over the years I've had to replace it, I figure, at least ten times as it would go missing! The last time was around 5 years ago and when I went to replace it my then boyfriend shamed me into not buying it claiming that with all the dan stuff I did own surely must be enough! I always missed it and when the relationship ended I went out immediately and bought it! I was whole once again! Fortunately for me I now live in an enviroment where I can play as much Dan as I want, my partner is a bigger Dan freak then I, and AJA will never go missing again, sorry Donald thats the end of financing the house in Hawaii.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJSparkin': So that's what Don & Walt meant by "All night long we would sing that stupid song..." --- Karaoke "Killing Me Softly." I never thought about it before, but I guess the Dan boys were quite visionary in anticipating the karaoke craze! :-)
suedave: Personally I agree. I can't help thinking the same thing, that if the radio stations had just played a few more cuts off EMG once in a while more people might have "discovered" it. Play one song over and over (which they didn't even do that with EMG) and people will think "Yeah, that's nice, but so what?" Play several cuts and they might think "Hey, maybe I should check out this CD." I can recall hearing almost every track from Aja on the radio way back when. I wonder what would have happened to Aja (or an Aja-like album) if it were released today? (Of course, I'm not saying that EMG was a modern Aja, just comparing the two eras of radio.)
I only know that myself I might hear a new song on the radio a few times and maybe like it a little, enough to try to find out who it is and what CD it's from. But in almost every instance when I do find it and give the CD a spin in one of those stores that actually lets you sample a (usually used) CD before buying, invariably it ends up that I only really like the one song, or maybe two. I never buy an unknown artist's CD based on only knowing and liking one track. I've learned it's just not worth it. And I'm just not a downloader of music. I like albums and finding artists who consistently do music I like just as I may read certain authors.
Mr. LaPage: I can't really remember what few exact details have trickled out (not many) and someone else might better address your questions, but the short answer is that there's no release date or title info yet on Donald's new CD. We're all just waiting for news too. I recall Ken Emerson's name as a player. I thought there were one or two others mentioned, but I just can't remember them right now.
Keep your eyes on the sky (and here and DF.com, I guess).
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Posted by: Still Sparkin', Got to get you into my WifeAmerican Pie, Killing Me Softly, I Will Survive, Delilah, Those Were the Days....these and more have been bludgeoned at a place where I join friends in a kind of live karaoke set-up (real musicians...some VERY drunken singers). The worst is Killing Me Softly.
Posted by: suedave, yeah rightMany many years ago I lived in an apartment when the Rolling Stones "Some Girls" was released. My upstairs neighbor played it over and over and over and over.....not the whole album, just the song "Shattered". I started out liking it but it quickly got old. I remember putting holes in the ceiling with a broom to try to give my neighbor a clue that it needed to stop.
The part that blows me away though is how the mainstream radio stations play the same 25 songs du jour over and over - because the record companies push certain artists - to sell those records? Personally that's why I turn the dial so often or put on a CD. But it makes me wonder - could the record companies have sold more copies of lets say, EMG if they had played just a few more songs from it a few more times instead of squeezing John Mayer in 40,000 extra times? First few bars of John Mayer, fppphhhhhbbbbhhhhh. I know by virtue of being an SD fanatic I don't think exactly like everyone else, but do that many people go out and buy records because they hear them a lot??
Posted by: TG, down on the farmRemember cassettes? Of course!
Everytime I'm in my car alone, I listen to Kama or Nightfly on cassette.They're good to hear no matter what form they might be in.
Beats the hell outta , ugh!, what I usually have to listen to! (country)
Posted by: Mr. LaPage, WNCHaven't posted for a couple of years or so...
I'm in the same neck of the woods as Oleander. Hope all is well with you in that big old blue house, Ole. You probably thought I fell off the face of the earth. No.. I'm still here in your area. Have been through much in these last two years.
I haven't had time to look through all the posts...
I was just wondering what is up with the new DF solo album. Is there any aprox. release date, or artists on the project, etc.
JLaP
Posted by: Daddy G., Imagine I put something clever here...Hey Paul, sure it was. Well, at least as entertaining as mine anyway, but that's no yardstick. :-)
I'm sure many folks have been in similar situations where they OD'd on one particular song, but not by choice. I was just curious to know what songs/circumstances some such stories might involve.
Posted by: Paul, Daddy G.: Way back when in '67, my (much older) friend was sick from school for a day or two. He had a strain of the flu and was in bed all day. This was right after Revolver came out, and his brother (must have been out of school) played "Got To Get You Into My Life" continuously while he was home. Although he loves The Beatles, my friend quickly grew to hate the song. 40 years later and he still can't stand it. Now that I think about it, that story isn't even mildly entertaining... well, that's second hand information for ya'.
Posted by: alan, SouthOfHollywoodHey Rajah
Vee La Ve Lee will be definitely set on fire tomorrow night !!
Prepare to party cobbah !!
Posted by: Daddy G., So there IS somebody out there!"Lame and embarrassing," eh? Oh well, that's OK, I can take it.
We can't all be clever lurkers. Besides, I've never claimed NOT to be lame and embarrassing. There are probably many who would say I'm the flag-bearer for lame and embarrassing! I like Leslie Nielsen movies for God's sake! :)
But it had been almost 24 hours since a new post. I don't think I've ever seen the board that dead. Oh well, onward and sideways...
Rajah: At this point I wasn't even thinking of concerts, though I take your point. (I assume he'd throw some select possibly re-worked Dan tunes in also and let any babe choir spell him on vocals here and there.) I'd be happy just having the CD of new material and any concert tour would be gravy/sauce.
I was just listening to my one and only Todd Rundgren CD for the first time in ages. It's an old Rhino "Best Of" compilation with 9 songs (almost all from the 70s), one of which is a Utopia piece. But basically there are only 4 songs on it that I really knew before I got it and I only like three of them (the biggies: "We Gotta Get You A Woman," "I Saw The Light," and "Hello It's Me"). I'm not crazy about the other tunes on it either.
The fourth song I knew going in was "Bang The Drum All Day." Now, probably many folks know and love that tune---I'm not saying it's bad. But a few years ago there was a local classic rock station that had some daily contest about listening to the station while at work and for each hour the contestant listened (I guess they had to keep track of exactly what songs were played) they'd win $103 (the station frequency). Trouble was it seemed like between every song they'd play the chorus of "BtDAD" while promoting their contest. It just put me off that song completely (not to mention the station eventually). I still can't really listen to it (the song) today even though it's been a few years. Anyone else ever have that sort of experience? Are there any well-known popular songs that presumably you used to like, but for whatever reason you just can't stomach anymore?
Posted by: FACW, More importantly - what was the last Steely Dan album on 8-track? ...and why was shag carpet on the walls of vans...wait, don't answer that!
I thought the new Fagen album was coming out on that new Sony microchip that stimulates all pleasure centers in the brain, allows you to remix any song virtually to your own RIAA standards, and makes your wife think she's out on the town...when she's actually ironing pink socks...
Posted by: Rajah, What's her problem? What, she wants a husband and two kids AND a life of her own? Hunh, tell her she can't have it all. Ok, disguise the girls as Donald and Walter and sneak em in, there's a side entrance, knock three times, I'll let you in, tell the Missus you're taking them to the "Daddy and Me" meeting on Coldwater.
We'll miss you, Pinky.
Posted by: W1P, Northwest of HollwoodI'm hosed. The wife is going out Thursday
Posted by: Lurker, I listened to Kamakiriad today on cassette. Remember those? What was the last Steely Dan album to come out on Cassette? I know EMG came out on LP.
Hey, this is a helluva lot better conversation starter than the lame and embarrassing "Anyone there?" post that precedes it.
Posted by: Rajah, DG - seems Donald is in a bit of a quandry right about now, I mean, he can't really start scheduling concerts if he doesn't know when this next puppy of his is about to drop. I don't know if he's willing to go out all on his own cause that would entail presenting a 2 or 2 and a half hour show. By Steely Dan standards, that's about 15 to 17 songs, if his next record has the usual 8 that makes 24 Fagengroovens total so he'd be performing like almost 3/4th of his entire repertoire so I dunno, he's kinda picky(!)about what he will and won't play for various reasons.
Like the King of Siam says, it is a puzzlement.
Tomorrow night @ La Ve Lee, 12514 Ventura Blvd., Pretzel Logic returns for two big sets, btw Angel, W1P and all our friends in the OC, we will be having a special appearance by our comrade from downunder, the lovely Alan and the ever-enchanting South of H'wood, bon-vivants, raconteurs and former bodyguards and food-tasters to the crowned-heads of the Balkans. Having been some days in preparation, a splendid time is guaranteed for all.
Posted by: Daddy G., Daddy is a rare millionaire...Testing... 1, 2, 3... Testing...
Is this thing on?
Sorry---didn't mean to kill the board yesterday! (Was it something I said?)
Donald better dispense some significant news on that forthcoming CD soon. Things is gettin' a tad slooooooooow here in Danville....
:-)
Posted by: Daddy G., So useless to ask me whyThis review of Bob Dylan's performace at the Borgata in A.C. caught my eye in this morning's paper:
* 2 LEGENDS: DYLAN AND HAGGARD
By Dan DeLuca, Inquirer Music Critic
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/11488445.htm
(* Free online registration required to view article.)
It also reminded me, Hoops, that you recently posted about having been to a Dylan show. I had to dig back farther in the Blue that I thought, but I found what you had to say (talking about improvisation at the time)...
"...To be sure, it's not like the Bob Dylan show I attended last week, when it wasn't until the next day when I got on the web the next day and realized he had played songs that were so unrecognizably different from the versions I knew. (Of course, that is so typical of Dylan's shows.)"
You didn't mention Haggard. Just wondering, is this a "touring together" kind of thing or was it only at the Borgata this once? Do they play together at all, or just do their own separate sets? Or didn't Dylan appear "with" anyone else? And if you saw the Hag (though I'm guessing you didn't), what'd you think of his performance? Thanks. Just curious.
The review really doesn't make the arrangement too clear. It makes no mention of Dylan and Haggard playing together, so I'm assuming they didn't. But it also says Dylan and his "...Never Ending Tour will bring him and Willie Nelson..." to the Jersey area June 16. So I'm guessing the gig "with" Haggard was a one off thing. Is he appearing with other country dudes elsewhere?
(I realize I'll probably be able to answer some of these questions myself by checking Ticketmaster or a Dylan site, but I just didn't get to that yet.)
Anyway, mainly thought I'd post the link in case anyone else is interested in reading about the Dylan/Haggard show in A.C.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJFor some strange reason this same news item is currently appearing all over the "Google News" "Steely Dan" page instead of all collected under one entry like I'd expect with Google. But that in itself is mildly amusing given that the item is about 2 giant steelhead >>trout<< sculptures which had gone missing.
THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/11492213.htm
"Police are fishing for clues after two giant trout sculptures were pried from their posts; one of them is still missing."
....
"Another fish, 'Steely Dan' by Jake Ballweber of San Luis Obispo, went missing sometime after 10 p.m. Sunday, said Lisa Smith with the San Luis Obispo Board of Realtors, which donated the sculpture. The 5-foot-long fish is covered with mosaic tiles in swirls of silver, blue, green and red."
....
"Police found that trout at 12:57 a.m. Monday at Higuera and Osos streets, just feet from its stand in front of Firestone Grill. The fish, which suffered minor damage to its nose, probably took a dive when thieves broke the pole supporting it, Bryn said."
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Hmmm, now I'd almost expect to hear the name "Firestone Grill" referenced in some future Dan song. :-)
Posted by: Rajah, http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/04/21/155610.php
"CD: Eric Goetz, Present and Accounted For
With a high tenor that's a cross between Graham Nash and Donald Fagen, Eric Goetz comes up with some good melodies and delicious keyboard playing - love the Rhodes! - but the material would benefit from fuller production and less cliched lyrics. Accordion, organ, and odd time signatures don't make up for the overall unremarkableness of most of the songs.
Goetz tries a variety of feels and flavors, including Latin-lite and spoken word, but although he claims inspiration from Tori Amos and Neil Finn, he really shines only when he lets out his inner Steely Dan, as in "Lied" - easily the best track - and "Sick." Those two jazzy pop tunes show where the muse seems to be really leading him. The sensitive singer-songwriter stuff just doesn't wash."
Baba Unleashing His Inner Steely Dan Rajah
Posted by: FACW, Rockin' the Suburbs was IMHO his best yet. Unfortunately, it was released on 9/11 and became a lost cult classic. The title track spoofs the white metal rap MTV pablum, and is funny in the Weird Al sense, but the rest of the album is filled with semi-serious to sometimes serious, poignant, beautiful songs in an updated 60s pop paradigm. Very snappy. Dan-like in the sense that the joyful and poppy sounds of Zak & Sara, Losing Lisa, Fred Jones Part II, Ascent of Stan, Fired belie dark or surreal characters. Still Fighting It and the Luckiest are songs as heartfelt as can be about Fatherhood and marriage without getting sappy.
Have not picked up the new one yet, but it seems a little more subtle and serious with a 70s singer-songwriter bent - whether the punch and magic are consistently there - I don't know. Landed is a great single though.
Folds also released 3 EPs recently - like getting outtakes BEFORE an album. Speed Graphics, Sunny 16, andSuper D. Wandering and Kalamazoo from the EPs, which unfortunately did not make Songs for Silverman, may be 2 of Ben's best.
Speed Graphic sounds the most like Songs for Silverman. In fact, one tune Give Judy My Notice made it to the full CD (dual disc). Sunny 16 is reminiscent of the first BF5 album, just not as good. I like the eclectic SuperD best with the early Police on speed Get Your Hands Off My Woman, the Dan/Joe Jackson-leaning Kalamazoo, Adelaide, hilarious Rent A Cop, and Ray Charles' Them That Got. Super D is a must.
...last year Ben co-wrote and produced the shockingly good Has Been by William Shatner. The hilarious title track and a " rant duet" with Henry Rollins alone are worth the price of admission...
Posted by: ss, hkFAC-dub...I was a Ben Folds Five fan but haven't kept going on to the solo stuff. Just didn't get there. Was the first solo record good ?
Posted by: FACW, hmmmmm...Rolling Stone Review of the new Ben Folds album out tomorrow (or today in England)
Ben Folds Songs for Silverman (Epic)
"If you wrote me off, I'd understand it," Ben Folds sings on "Landed," the melancholy first single from his second solo album. The piano-plunking singer-songwriter is addressing a former lover, but he could just as easily be singing to the fickle listeners who consigned him to some future Dork Rock of the '90s compilation after his band broke up and the hits stopped coming. But with the heartfelt, elaborately crafted Songs for Silverman, the thirty-eight-year-old Folds has found his footing as a mature artist. Many of the delicate ballads hit with the force of a "Brick"; the most affecting is "Late," a plain-spoken eulogy for Elliott Smith. Folds never loses track of his pop hooks, even when he's deploying tricky time signatures and **Steely Dan**-worthy chord progressions. He has also found more deserving targets for his wit than suburban rappers and T-shirt-hoarding girlfriends. The album hits its peak with "Jesusland," a deceptively perky mini-epic with Beach Boys harmonies and mournful strings that imagines a disapproving Jesus taking a tour of a red state's soulless McMansions: "Billboards quoting things you'd never say/You hang your head and pray/For Jesusland."
oh yeah, Springsteen has an album out for some reason also...
The Nightfly had enough creepy inside-out edge to send Donald into a decade long depression - that's enough for me...
Posted by: From Aja Vu, Bay AreaThe Steely Dan Tribute Band - AjaVu will play at the Crow's Nest in Santa Cruz - this Saturday Night starting at 9:30pm. Come early - have a nice dinner, watch the sunset and then dance the night away with AjaVu!!!!
Details: WHERE: Crow's Nest Restaurant Santa Cruz Crow's Nest Restaurant -- Santa Cruz, California
On the Beach at the Santa Cruz Harbor
2218 E. Cliff Drive, Santa Cruz, California 95062
Reservations welcomed: (831) 476-4560
info@crowsnest-santacruz.com
WHEN: Saturday Night - April 30th - show starts at 9:30PM
COVER CHARGE - (usually) $7.00 (as set by the club)
We look forward to seeing you this Saturday Night! Thank you for making our debut at Chaminade such a success! As always We appreciate your loyalty and support!
To find out future dates - please visit us at
www.ajavu.com
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Flip - you touch upon something there. The Europeans seem to have a better appreciation for our jazz artists than we have. Instrumental jazz poses no language barrier whatsoever of course so that helps and I don't think their attention span has been whittled down to where ours is, what with the nonstop mega-media bombardment of our senses. Their pop scene is at least as bad as ours and always has been but going back to Satchmo's day, they have loved our jazz and blues. I can tell you that in the summer of '00, their radios stations played the crap out of "Jack of Speed," used to hear it almost everyday driving around. And of course they are nuts for Ray Charles, Miles, Ella and Bird.
Posted by: Flipkid, BaltimoreHello, all. Long-time lurker, first time poster.
Hoops, your comment (albeit from last week) about the "30th anniversary" of Katy Lied gave me a real SD jones in at work today; so during my lunch hour, I turned off my telephone, got out the headphones, and listened to Katy Lied from beginning to end.
What an amazing piece of work! To say "it stands the test of time" is a GROSS understatement. And even though The Royal Scam is still my "favotite" SD album, I can now hear that Katy Lied is where the Dan morphed from "a rock band that sort of throws jazzy stuff in" to "a VERY musical jazz band that happens to play rock music." A real ear-opener.
And to whoever the previous poster was lamenting about the delay in the release of the Bill Evans/Randy Brecker SoulBop live CD, you (almost) ruined my day. I, too, have been anxiously waiting for that CD's American release... I guess I'll just have to wait a little longer.
Why is jazz-- and, frankly, "better" pop/rock music-- more popular in Europe that it is here in the US??? Sad...
Posted by: Lutz, SFChrysler, you can get it here :
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56629&item=4721483951&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
they ship to the US for $ 10 and accept paypal.
Can't wait to see Evans in concert next month w/ Colaiuta & B.Fleck !
Posted by: hoops, I definitely agree with SS, DF's edge is more subtle , perhaps since it is so, so razor thin. I'm reminded of Take 6 who reworked IGY. They commented how when they sang "What a beautiful world it will be/What a glorius time to be free" it wasn't sung in the same sarcastic way as DF's and, as many of you may recall, they rewrote some lyrics to be more in step with their more idealistic and "Christian" vantage.
For awhile this morning I played an extra in a crowd for the movie "Stranger Than Fiction" which they are filming outside our building at the U of Illinois Chicago campus. I know LA and NY'ers have this happen with more frequency but was fun. Dustin Hoffman's nose seems even bigger in person and Will Ferrell is about as tall as I expected. Last time I was in extra in a crowd was for this movie with Joe Pesce where the quad and auditorium at the Urbana U of Illinois stood in for MIT where Pesce's character is graduating. The date was memorable since it was the date I started what is today's Dandom Digest: March 23, 1993. Don't ever know what happened to that movie.
Be well
jim
Posted by: angel, Back, Jack, Do it Again Anyone hear of Jack FM?
This format recently came to Los Angeles (the former Arrow 93) and even though I did not hear any Steely Dan while checking it out a few weekends ago, I was sure they got air play. The fact that they have a very famous song using the word "Jack" seemed like a hint to me. The following article confirms it.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/business/articles/1504157.html
Posted by: PQ, NYCYeah, the reason you can't find it is because Bill Evans the sax player, who has about 20 albums, gets randomly mixed up with Bill Evans the piano player, who has like 300 albums, and Amazon doesn't separate them.
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PittsburghNo, no, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Apparently the U.S. release date for The Randy Brecker/Bill Evans Soulbop Live CD has been pushed back (or even worse). No further mention of it AT ALL on Randy's site; on Bill's site, he states that it was released FEBRUARY FRIGGIN' 28 in Europe--no mention of the USA. Can't find it anywhere on Amazon. Evans glows with pride about it, and I can't fuggen hear it yet?!? AAHRGG . . .
The new Yellowjackets has gotten decidedly mixed reviews; three Downbeat mag writers savaged it; one damned it with faint praise. Not sure I'm going to lay down moolah for it before auditing first.
Clean Willy: Yo, homeboy, where you been, man?
Posted by: ss, hkThere is EDGE on the Nightfly...if you take IGY as naive to a fault, and take Lester for what he surely must be -- an overworked, underpaid radio host with no social life, good long term prospects for lung cancer...a guy who's already living in the past and has no time for the callers. Not the SAME edge though, granted.
Posted by: Mr Eriksson, The Steely Dan-pros and -cons of travelingJust had me a weekend in Stockholm, Sweden before returning furtehr north in the very same country.
Ended up in "good company" musically while watching the movie "In Good Company" (premiered in the US in December and late March here in the Kingdom). Read it here but had totally forgotten about the snippet of "Reelin' In The Years" that accompany one scene. Fun!
Wasting some time in a bookstore/record store I found one copy of EMG selling for 29 SKR = $4.11. :(
Sad to see it linger there among a bunch of mainly last-months-flavor(s)/bland/awful records in the SALES!-bin. But ... "everything must you-know-what".
I just hope someone will pick it up out of curiosity and become a SD-fan.
BTW, that one copy of EMG was the only SD record in the store.
P-GE
Posted by: Rajah, In an industrial park in El Monte listening to the maiden voyage of a power trio, they didn't cover any Hogfat.
Posted by: Turban Watcher, SpudSo where were YOU last night Mr. Potato Head?
Posted by: Yeah, so?"in the meantime, a bit of news about Crosby, Stills, and Nash, who will be appearing at the House of Blues in Hollywood for a benefit on May 15th"
So what.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I've turned the tractor beam on in the back yard, Alan, the landing pad is secure, don't hurt yourself in Vegas, bring back money; Southie-bubby, prepare to crash in the Mother-in-Law room out back. It's cosy but it comes with drums and keyboards.
Gretchen, get yer bony DAR ass back here and explain this AMEX bill...wtf woman, $400 for 'women's separates?????' Separate wha?
You're shopping at Ross from here on out, girl.
Next you're gonna tell me everything...that you spent baby, that you spent baby, that you...
ba-da-bop
Em7
Posted by: Gretchen, Eyes, we'll be sure to batten down the hatches........hear it may reach typhoon level.
In the meantime, a bit of news about Crosby, Stills, and Nash, who will be appearing at the House of Blues in Hollywood for a benefit on May 15th:
http://www.crosbycpr.com/index.html
G
Posted by: EyesOnTheSky, Bracing for the storm>>>HEAVY WEATHER ALERT<<<
>>>Hurricane Alan quietly reached the Los Angeles area on Thursday afternoon and rapidly moved east into Las Vegas, mostly under the doppler...There have been reports of locally severe conditions in scattered casinos combined with deadly cloud-to-ground keno strikes occuring with alarming frequency...This very dangerous storm appears to be preparing to come full-circle, likely heading southwest towards San Diego on Monday and then full-on back up the coast to LA later in the week...Keep your eyes on the sky<<<
Posted by: Daddy G., Even Cathy B. knows "I Want To Hold Your Hand"A surprising find...
Cathy Berberian's "Revolution"
http://franklarosa.com/vinyl/Exhibit.jsp?AlbumID=73
Cathy B. performs Beatles' songs. You can listen to "I Want To Hold Your Hand" (A commenter on the page says Cathy B.'s "Revolution" is available on CD, but I know nothing about the site to which he directs folks---couldn't seem to find it at any more mainstream site.)
However, I did find "Magnificathy: The Many Voices of Cathy Berberian" listed at Amazon...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000025QZS/103-2982677-7485430?v=glance
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There's a lot of other weird stuff at that Frank Larosa Vinyl Museum site. Check out Mrs. Miller's "Greatest Hits" (featuring "Downtown" and "A Hard Day's Night"), then if you like those you can order her "Wild, Cool & Swingin'" CD collection...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000J600/103-2982677-7485430?v=glance
...or find out more about Mrs. Elva Miller at http://www.mrsmillersworld.com/
OK, so it's late (early?) and I'm getting goofy!
:-)
Posted by: Paul, somewhere241 posts? Ouch. Hoops, if anything like this every happens again, the manual reposting isn't necessary; I know how to write a script that could have done it all automagically. Of course, you had no idea I write web software for a living, but in the future...
Thanks dude, I'm sure everyone appreciates it.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Gretchen my precious petal, I love clowns but not on canvas or velvet. They are spooky, honey, but most fun things are.
Mu- best singles would have to be given parameters like, best hit single with the word, "Cadillac," included.
Q - Oh you are twisty, OK, it's Walter of course. Funny to think of how our boys are linked by fate, no matter how much they try to operate apart, the Fates keep tossing them back together. Like Holmes and Watson, Lewis & Clark, Hope & Crosby, Lawrence Welk and Myron Florne, Steve and Edie, Stan and Ollie, Huntley and Brinkley, a horse and carriage, linguini and clam sauce, they belong together...
Hoopsie - 241 manual re-posts??? I thought I was a hard up case...thank you, Jim for keeping the faith, now, about Lesbolesianswholiketofuck.com, howsabout a link on the Dan webring? No? Ok, maybe not...
Shy - love that moniker, the guy on the left is Walter Claus, the guy at the end is Lee Strasberg from Godfather II, Hoffman looks like some big agent, it's a "meeting," which is why it's so distorted and distended.
WPO - "a darkness more subtle," from...wha? Misheard lyric in Tempted (what an incredible vocal performance on that song, love to hear the Schtingle version) or a previous post reference?
Posted by: WPO, CDGHoops, two things :
1. I heard a live, Sting version of Tempted on the radio several years ago (between 93 and 96), when I lived in Chicago, probably on XRT : best version of the song I've ever heard !
2. What does "the darkness is more subtle" mean ?
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: Q, TPANO, Gretchen - that was not DF - no "full beard" or otherwise lately...
But, mystically you have tapped into something with the bearded(generally) man thing!
Hold on to your flat hats...
Posted by: hoops, Regarding the "fresco" page, it's euphorically reassuring to see D + W pictured together on a current page, even if it was taken four years ago, even if I am reading too much into this. The frescoes page sure adds to the religious and Christian imagery thread from yesterday. Cool to read about "Kulee Baba" and St Augustine. (See: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/8/28/10481/5857 and scroll way down to read the Steely Dan connection.)
Between revisiting Katy Lied and the Katy Lied essay contest entries, and then this, I'm getting pumped to get the archives back up and fix that old front page and more. Sometimes behind the scene web operations and wranglings take away from my energy to enjoy the Dan, my favorite musical artist. Great to have the buzz.
BTW: What happened with the Blue was that there was either a glitch or a hack that wiped out the current month's page entirely as well as its back up which occurs every few hours. The hosting serviceóViaVerioónormally charges $100 for backups over a day old but they took pity on us (and love SD?) so they gave us an 8-day old back up (instead of the 1-day old back up) waiving the cost. Meantime, before that, I had manually restored each of the 241 posts one at a time, so between all that, that's why the dates are screwed up for those eight days. Strangely enough, that kinda of bad thing has resulted in giving me some extra good adreline. Funny how that all works.
I think I want to finish getting all the album contest reviews up on the web. CBAT, CTE, are done...somewhere. We have reviews for all albums.
Thanks for reading my stream of consiousness. Thanks for your support.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Tri-State AreaOne more thing. Last night's Digest is being rejected by more servers than usual (ie more of you aren't able to receive) because one of the "Katy Lied" reviews includes the word "fuck." Have received several automated emails from servers, usually businesses. Perhaps you might read it as censorship, but I believe it's probably just SPAM filters trying to intercept the 10,000 SPAM messages a day they get sent with topics like "Our Pay Site: Hot Blond Lesbians who Fuck."
So if you didn't get it, email me privately.
Thanks!
jim
P.S Glad you and others liked the KL reviews, Paul. I loved reading them again too!
Posted by: hoops, Sly; thanks for the heads up on the addition to df.com. Much appreciated. I have to go check it out.
At a cybercafe and a few moments ago, as I was writing the above thank you, a Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) bus just went by with STEELY DAN written on the side of it. The bus (#22 Clark) was wrapped with an ad for 97.1 FM, a classic rock station known here at "The Drive." There were about 9 or 10 other names on the side of the bus as part of the ad; Joey will be in a nuzzling mood since next to Steely Dan was The Who. Also appearing were the names Fleetwood Mac and, I think, Clapton. I'll try and get a picture to post.
Be well and thank yoU!
jim
Posted by: Shy, shaw.caThe Fresco thing on df.com is fairly amusing. Book of Jests indeed. I wonder what artifact article was/is going to go with the other file in that image directory. Who's hoffman and why is he or his friends so deformed?
http://donaldfagen.com/i/artifacts/hoffman.jpg
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
Hogfat! LOL
Posted by: P1W, ALIt all comes back to Foghat silly
Posted by: Paul, somewhere in the middle of nowhereHoops, those KL essays were/are great! Can't wait until next year to hear about the Royal Scam :) Thanks.
Posted by: Sly, MontrealI don't know if it has been writing before, but there is a new post on Donald Fagen's site, in the Artifacts section. The now post is called "The Faces on the Fresco"
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKW1P:
That is truly incredible!!
I mean, I know it's a "small world" and everything, but that is unbelievable.
Maybe EVERYTHING comes back to SD or PF? What a thought eh? LOL
Posted by: Mike + the Mechanics, Can You Hear Me?You forget the Carrack trio -- In the Living Years. Plus he's on The Wall live in Berlin. See, it all comes back to Pink Floyd
Posted by: hoops, Tri-State AreaYet another Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering April 9-22, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest:
ó Steely Dan in FedEx commercial
ó Re: Steely Dan in FedEx commercial
ó last week's simpsons
ó Jim Pugh in Butler Cty, PA
ó Looking for SD-related Recordings
ó David Duchovny: "Home at Last"
ó"Katy Lied" Revisited
ó - ESSAY 1: Katy Lied
ó -(ESSAY UNNUMBERED) Excerpts from An Old Katy Lied Review
ó - ESSAY 2: Katy lied - how'd you know
ó - ESSAY 3: Katy Lied
ó - ESSAY 4: "now we're alone at last"
ó - ESSAY 5: Katy Lied review
ó - ESSAY 6: Katy Lied Album Review
ó - ESSAY 7: Katy Lied entry
ó - ESSAY 8: Katy Lied: we were halfway Danified
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official steelydan.com or Official donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
jim
Posted by: hoops, Just an update on the Bluebook fixes.
Basically everything is as it was before Thursday morning except I have to fix dates from April 12 through last night which still all show as being posted last night.
Thanks for your patience.
jim
Posted by: TG, down on the farmGretchen, come on back to the Green!
Posted by: The REAL Gretchen, Zaro's Bread Basket, the Right coastYes, that previous post under my name was not me, as I'm sure you can all deduce by the language. Shame on you, David. Anyway, could SWEAR I saw Donald today on the corner of 8th Ave. and 48th St., however with full
beard, sunglasses (in the rain), hood pulled over his head, but I was making my way hurriedly uptown in a cold rain (to get a fix of as much Norwegian art as I could before I must head back to the Southland)I could not do a second take. I had a Seinfeldian moment-after my mad dash uptown in the inclement weather, I arrived at Trygve Lie Gallery hoping to see luminous nordic landscapes. There
I was told the gallery was in a basement but I would have to cross (quietly, please) an area where a wedding was taking place. I made my way through and proceeded to the "gallery" area where I found, to my horror, large, garish paintings of clowns. Does anyone actually like clowns, or mimes, for that matter?
Anyway, all the talk about 11 Tracks of Whack gets me to thinking that it is one of my favorite bodies of work by either Donald or Walter or Steely Dan. It's Walter unleashed, revealing his true self, sort of like the early efforts of Lennon and McCartney to separate their unique styles from that of the Beatles as a whole, not affected by the restraints of the other principal. Listening to so
me Wings the other day, Band on the Run and Venus and Mars in particular, I was comparing how some of the lighter, softer tracks like "Bluebird" and "Happiness in the Homeland" were so un-Lennon, whereas the Lennon influence could be felt largely in "Feel Like Letting Go" and "1985." Now I think Walter's solo effort had much less of the Fagen influence than Fagen's solos had of Walters. I nev
er tire of 11 TOW, it's the Dan gone bi-polar.
G (just a CT Yankee at heart)
Posted by: FACW, Best Hit Singles? What a concept...Something that've quite hard to do really - quality AND popularity...maybe sons that made you stop and listen...
Paul Carrack Duo
Tempted - Squeeze
How Long? - Ace
Do I Do - Stevie Wonder
Tell it Like it Is - Aaron Neville
Let it Roll - Little Feat
FM - You Know Who
It Keeps You Runnin' - McDoobies
Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - U2
Betcha By Golly Wow - Stylistics
I Feel Fine - Beatles
Under My Thumb - Stones
It's My Life - Talk Talk
God Only Knows - Beach Boys
Walk on By - Dionne Warwick
well I guess where do you stop...
Posted by: Gretchen, kickin' some Turban-buttDuns Scotum, huh? A Rajah by any other name is still just as lazy around the house. Well, from now on you can call him, "Bent Scrotum."
Don't F With Wife-Zilla,
Baba Kicked His Ass Mrs. Rajah
Posted by: Rajah, L.A. It's not just old women who complain, Paul, they all complain...bitch bitch bitch and moan...wait, shit, "nuttin' honey, just messin round on the Blue...yes, I've done the front yard, no I don't have a beer open..."
Look, I gotta go...
Posted by: Paul, nowhere in the middle of somewhereOh, woops, that's what you meant. Excuse me while I feel stupid for awhile...
Posted by: Paul, somewhere in the middle of nowhereBea Arthur? Hoops, you're thinking of the Golden Girls. What a horrible show... I guess I'm not old enough to appreciate a TV show composed of ugly retired women who do nothing but complain.
Posted by: PQ, NYCSeeing that William Of Ockham was one of Scotus' main theological opponents, maybe Razor Boy was derived from the principle of Ockham's Razor.
Jim - half serious, half joking. I'd like Paul to hear Don Pullen's solo on Mingus' Free Cellblock H, Tis Nazi USA, and then see what he thinks about Brubeck. I mean Brubeck is important as a theoretician but come on. His live shows are also great if you enjoy watching five white guys in suits barely move for hours while their eyes pensively consider their shoes.
Posted by: The Truth, St. Augustine was right.
Posted by: Duns, Aquinas wrote the Summa, I think listening to all these Steely Dan records are taking their toll.
Posted by: hoops, I don't watch that much TV so when I saw the bit about "The Gilmore Girls" I pictured Bea Arthur and Betty White, a twinkle in her eye, talking about Steely Dan.
I don't know that much of Rundgren's catalog either; nothing necessarily personal against TR, but I am kinda looking more forward to the potential of what Q implies in his post. (Thanks Q!)
BR? Boston Rag!? Hey, *that* explains what happened! :-)
DG, "satisfying on many levels" could be Steely Dan's trademark! Great find! Still hard to believe Mindy is gone. Always remember her playing violin during "Deacon Blues" and me on the nearly empty lawn at Deer Creek (now Verizon) Music Theatre near Indy in '92.
Bway, was thinking of you and Saturday at the Lizard Lounge. That was great. Thanks again!
11TOW is so very, very Dylanesque.
Squeeze's "Tempted" is on my list of "Best Singles Ever."
All I know of the WB is that there was the one show with a hot, Steely Dan-kinda babe with curly hair who goes away to NYC for college. One year she cuts it off and then for the next season she grew it back. The series ended maybe three years ago. She should try out as a Mid-driff.
PQ, humor intended or not, shame on your comments about Brubeck. You come across as like a nasty schoolboy poking fun at his high school English teacher.
Kama is DF's dissertation on funk. James Brown. And by the way, the darkness is more subtle. DO get a listen at the DVD-A version or even the surround versionóKama was great then but now is so transformed.
Charlap Trio is making a stand at the Jazz Showcase this Tuesday through Sunday here in Chicago.
jim
Posted by: Duns Scotus, the Lord's Think TankWe tend to believe that, yes, St Augustine was right, his Summa Theologica posits five very compelling arguments for the existence of The One. Even more compelling though was an early prayer from his libertine and dissolute youth which apparently was spent drinking and bangin hoes: "Dear Lord, help me to find the strength within to mend my wicked, wicked ways...but...not just yet." While youth is certainly wasted on the young, sining is not, best time for it actually.
So go with God, dear pidgeons, He/She/It is your best bet. But I must say, The Two ain't that shabby either. If they'd offered eternal salvation with their last record they would've gone Quadruple Platinum.
Oremus...
Posted by: Seeking the Truth, This, of course, leads us to the question:
Was St. Augustine right?
Posted by: Duns Scottus, that big library in the skyMy illustrious decendant generates enough "edge" from his work with Walter, one can understand then why his solo efforts are light and breezy by comparison. All edge and no schmaltz makes Duns a dull boy.
Dominus vobiscum, call me on my cell at Et Cum Spiri, 2-2-OH.
Posted by: Rajah, That's him, also known as, "magistri fratris Johannis Scoti de Ordine Minorum, qui et Doctor Subtilis nuncupatur, de provincia HiberniÊ" (the work of master John Scotus of the Franciscan Order known as the subtle doctor, from the province of Ireland). Subtle doctor, hunh, that's Mr. Steely Dan.
SD is indeed consumed with Christian imagery and the only explanation I can offer is that Don said if he hadn't gone into the rock star business he would have been an academic and he certainly has the temperment. If you are at all a student of history, you will invariably be led to the early Christian writers, the Bede, Augustine, Geoffrey of Monmouth, Aquinas, Geoffrey of Tours, for a while there the only people allowed to publish and disseminated were the early Christians, heck, all the way up to the Renaissance it was closed shop. Here, Lewis refers to the Abelard and Eloise medieval tale of - you guessed it - star-crossed lovers whose liaison ends rather poorly for Abelard with his castration at the hands of Canon Fulbert. The history of the west is largely recorded by Christian clerics which of course is what makes them questionable.
Posted by: U2, DublinThe Edge played guitar with Don? Who knew
Posted by: WPO, CDGRajah : come to think of it, there's no EDGE in Nightfly, either!
So what is EDGE ? EDGE is the dark, DSM IV characters of EMG, 2VN, Gaucho, and Royal Scam, for starters.
Posted by: Theologian, ChurchDons Scattus supposing to be a parody of Duns Scotus, the 13th century Catholic philosopher? Why is Steely Dan so LACED with Christian images?
Posted by: PQ, NYCGood for you Paul! You won't regret it. As we speak the Don Pullen Mosiac box set on Ebay - the auction is really heating up!
Posted by: Paul, somewhere in the middle of nowherePQ: Thanks for the suggestion, I'll stick around Brubeck, but I just reserved the public library's two Pullen CDs.
Posted by: Rajah, Countermoon and Tomorrow's Girls are as good as any DF tunes.
And check out the new blurb by Lewis Fairlawn under 'Artifacts'. Dons Scattus indeed.
Posted by: WPO, CDGFriends,
I'm going out on a limb here, with a negative comment re Kama, to which I'm listening right now. I can sum it up like this:
THERE'S NO EDGE
About all I can say, but I've needed to say it for some time.
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: PQ, NYCPaul! Good that you have Queen on your list, but forget this Brubeck nonsense and listen to a real jazz pianist like Don Pullen who can throw right hand clusters like firebombs.
Posted by: Paul, somewhere in the middle of nowhereWB is by far my least favorite broadcast station... (no offense).
then UPN, because they're cancelling Star Trek, and every other one of their shows are shitty.
Hey! High school dan fans are insanely popular, have lots of girlfriends, are validictorians, and generally good people. Just look at me! :) Granted, I'm in 12th grade, not 11th, so maybe the comparison falls through.
Posted by: W1P, The WBHey Bass, my good friend Helen Pai is a producer on the Gilmore Girls. She is responsible for nearly all of the music references on the show. She knows Aja quite well. On the show, she has developed a character named Dave Rygalski who is in a band. Dave Rygalski is Helen's husband's name. Sabastian Bach of Skid Row has made a couple of guest appearances on the show as the guitar player in the band with "Dave Rygalski" This is great but Jonathon does not know how to play the guitar and neither does the actor who plays "Dave Rygalski" So during their "rehearsal" scenes, the real Dave Rygalski sits off stage playing the bass and coaching the actor how to fake it. Brian Zydiak does the same thing for Sabastian on the guitar. The real Dave Rygalski and Brian Zydiak are in a band called North Green. North Green has covered "Not Now John" on A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd (executive produced by me). See it all comes back to Pink Floyd, even the Gilmore (misspelled, of course) Girls!
Posted by: Rajah, Bassy - that IS rude...and incorrect. My clinical tests show clearly that 11th grade students prone to babble on about Steely Dan have excellent study habits, good breeding, a brighter whiter smile and dadgummit, people like them.
1-SD
2-Sinatra
3-SD
4-Sinatra
5-SD
6-Sinatra
7-SD
8-Sinatra
9-
10-
See I have this problem...
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKJust been watching an episode of "The Gilmore Girls" on cable here in the UK.
The character "Luke" is remonstrating with his son because his school is threatening to make him repeat his year, and he says:
"You'll spend the rest of your life in 11th grade. You'll be the guy at the back of the class with the beard and the racing pages babbling incoherently about Steely Dan."
How rude!! LOL
Posted by: Paul, somewhere in the middle of nowhereWalter's voice and singing style seem rather similar to Jimi Henrix's. It's rather fitting to his lyrics, actually, and grows on you. I love Neil Young's work but absolutely HATE his voice, about the only place I can even moderately stand it is in "Helpless".
My Top 10 in no order ('cept the first one):
1. Steely Dan
2. Pink Floyd
3. The Beatles
4. CSN
5. Dave Brubeck
6. David Sanborn
7. James Taylor
8. Chicago
9. Rolling Stones
10. Queen
Posted by: bwaySteve, 11TOWHi Sparkin'
I got hooked into the bass part on Down In The Bottom too.Great slidin'. What fascinated me about the cut was that it was in E b. This is odd because it's not a key typically used for guitar driven music as the key of E is so well suited to chord playing.Did they tune all the instruments a 1/2 step down so Walter's voice sat better in it or did they transpose everything down a 1/2 using the software? Did Walter do this just to be different or to mess with the technology ?
I decided to start playing the tune so I ripped the track ,beat-mapped it into Acid and transposed it up a 1/2 so I could play along with more conventional chords.Walter doesn't sound too much like a Munchkin .It's really been a challenge to get the subtle nuances of the simple chords in it and prevent it from sounding too sweet.I'm trying to keep a rock feel and want to avoid sounding folky on the acoustic.It has also been tough to remember the lyrics because it's oblique as you'd imagine.
I love the lyrics on 11TOW.They are darker and more personal than on Steely Dan.As personal as they are , so removed from "feeling" yet vulnerable. Much like human emotions , covered with armor , kept at a distance.Book Of Liars is so touching yet there is such a strong sense that the main character has deep problems of his own which makes it more human.In so much popular writing the hurt person is right and the other one is wrong.
Hard to believe this record is over 10 years old.I hope he'll be doing another one.
Posted by: Rajah, For me, 11 TOW isn't really a conventional pop or rock or jazz or any kinda record. It defies categorization, I mean, what part of the store do you go to to find this one? There are a heckuva lot of lyrics, big narrative. I read the credits and I see a lot of players, a full band, but when I listen to it, it's almost like a home demo, it sounds all stripped down. There's a lot of empty space in the music, it gives the impression of a guy alone in a recording booth. Stark even. And intensely personal. There's not a lot of "happy" stuff on there, its themes are isolation, time standing still, busted relationships, a portrait of a lonesome man at midlife looking back at some very unfortunate episodes, realizing that he is a strange soul, a hard up case, heavy doses of mea culpas in there. His one salvation is his love for Little Kauai, cause without some kind of love like that, a man just dries up.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandIn no particular order:
1 - Pat Metheny Group
2 - Steely Dan
3 - Chick Corea
4 - John Patitucci
5 - Sting
6 - Joe Jackson
7 - Michel Camilo
8 - Dave Weckl Band
9 - Mike Stern
10 - Weather Report
And a bunch of others!!
Posted by: fife, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, you know what I mean, you know what I meanThe first time I heard 11TOW was just over a year ago. I had no idea it existed until a few years back and couldn't find a copy anywhere. When I eventually got to listen to it I loved it, there was something about Walter's voice and the flow of the music. It also made me realize that the parts of Steely Dan that gave me the shivers were obviously Walter, I had thought that Donald was the main man, but boy was I wrong. The debate about his voice brought to mind about the love hate relationship people have with singers. Bob Dylan and Neil Young are a couple of guys that fall in this category, either you love their voice or hate it but what makes them sucessfull is the way it's all put together.
Now here's a thought: Name your top 10 artists.
10. Moody Blues
9. Level 42
8. Eurythmics
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Steve Winwood
5. Supertramp
4. Tragically Hip
3. Talking Heads
2. Neil Young
1. and of course Steely Dan
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandFor all of you guys and gals on the left coast, some badasses are performing at La Ve Lee tomorrow night. "FEATURING: David Garfield (keys), Alex Ligertwood (vocals), John PeÒa (bass), Ricky Lawson (drums), James Harrah (guitar), and special guest Lenny Castro (percussion)!" Just in case you didn't already know.
Posted by: Clas, Beerberian - thanx for info.
And I forgot maybe the best Squeeze song:
"...the postman delivers the final reminders
She sells off her silver and poodles in China.
Drinks to remember, I me and myself
And winds up the clock
And knocks dust from the shelf
Home is a love that I miss very much
So the past has been bottled and labelled with love"
Labelled With Love. That one was spinning on my turntable a period in my life. Great lyrics. Great voice.
Posted by: Just to clarify any confusion, wooden ships on the waterClas did not give NYBill a nervous breakdown.
NYBill is a nervous breakdown.
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong
I still feel maybe years away from capturing succinctly what it is I get from 11 Tracks.
It's sometimes chilling...thinking of Surf and/or Die. The guitar is sublime...part of a wide open production approach. The vocal is the busy part, so much of the rest of it is accents. Love the resolve at the end of the verses. The chanting at the end, as you may have read elsewhere, was recorded without this song in mind and was described as a lucky perfect fit.
Would I ever love to see this done live.
The contrast between that and the following Book of Liars catches me every time. The warmth of Book with the fat bass notes and Walter's softer voice. Just a brilliant song. Always marvel at the keyboard solo..jarring, cheap sounding device used to great effect against the softness of the other instruments.
Can't go this deep on every cut, but I'm stuck on the bass line from the opening track...Girlfriend has so much in it, kind of a reggae verse, pop chorus, obscure interlude (hide here)....Junkie Girl is deceptively complex....Hat Too Flat chorus - what is this ? These beings are faking it on earth, and at the chorus the song sounds most 'human'....like they're letting up on the act.
Another WB effort is most welcome.
Posted by: bwaySteve, Tri state areaSo nice to read posts on the Lyricon. I was playing guitar for some tracks a friend of mine was making. The bass player brought a Lyricon to the studio and plugged it in to an amp.I played clarinet so I asked if I could try it . The unit had the Boem fingering familiar to woodwind players.I made the fingering for a low register note.Well the control unit was set for a low octave . The note that came out sounded like the Queen Mary but louder. It scared the shit out of everybody in the studio and blew out 4, 12" speakers on a Marshall cabinet.
They wouldn't let me leave the studio till I came up with $200 to pay for the speakers.Needless to say I was very impressed with what a single oscillator could do.Years later, I came to own a Prophet Pro One which was even more Ballsy.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJOops, momentarily forgot I Googled this up earlier this afternoon....
COURAGE IN HER MEMORY, by Susan S. Emerson
http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/04/g/gstory.pl?fn-colemr21
It's a column in memory of Mindy Jostyn, although the writer takes her time getting specifically to the Mindy part.
Posted by: Q, TPAAt this point you can forget TR on the SD board.
Winds changed direction.
A wise move, indeed
better will come of it
Posted by: Daddy G., NJHoops, I stumbled across this Wikipedia piece on Steely Dan the other day and the opening paragraph reminded me of what you brought up a few days ago (if I recall correctly) about SD being broadcast in stores and how Dan songs work on several levels, that many folks don't give any thought to the subject matter of the songs....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan
"The band's heyday was in the 1970s, when they released a half dozen consummate albums, which skilfully blended jazz, rock and roll, funk, rhythm and blues, pop and everything in between. Their music, which may at first appear 'smooth' and 'easy listening', is characterized by complex jazz-influenced structures and harmonies, witty and literate lyrics and unparalleled musicianship. Steely Dan's albums are found by fans to be satisfying on many levels."
No startling revelations in the full article, but I found the echoing of the "many levels" premise to be coincidental.
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Hopefully the "BR problem" has nothing to do with Boston Rag.
Just to let people in the MA area know - "9Teen", one of the only local Steely Dan cover bands is playing at Union Blues in Worcester, MA on Saturday night. Show starts at 8:30.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Tommy Cat , San DiegoI still have not forgiven fife burning a hole in my couch.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandI must've had some bad ice in one of tonight's drinks.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandAngel - I just didn't know much of Rundgren's catalog. I know all of Joe Jackson's tunes and knew all of what he played the other night with the exception of a new song he's written that he hasn't recorded yet called "Citizen Sane". I would say to anyone who's into solo acoustic stuff - it's probably worth the money. I'm just more into the full band thing. I also prefer books with pictures, walks on the beach, sunsets, orgasms, etc.
Posted by: hoops, Hey! I realized this morning it's right around THIRTY YEARS since "Katy Lied" was released! WOW!
jim
From here and below, the dates are not correct, other than that they are from April 2005 and are in the order they were posted with the most recent at the top.
Posted by: hoops, Chrys: Nope! I LOVE 11TOW more. :-)
Posted by: Rajah, Why does a band that's been around for so long still manage to raise the ire of a certain type of listener? Here's an article from the Ithaca NY Cornell Sun, a daily that's been around since 1880. Check out the responses to this guy's blurb as well:
http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/04/07/4254913352bdf
Posted by: angel, Josey: I have been reading Michelle Rundgren's diary for the past month or so, trying to see if she was ever going to give us her take on the Kula Jam. So I was very interested in your review of the JJ/TR concert. I truly appreciate your view from the SD side of the street, seeing the show without knowing the 2 performers song catalog. It helps others make concert decisions, though in my case that week I just spent in Lost Wages might be driving mine. I will see how broke I feel, closer to the concert date. :-)
Hoops: Thanks for the nod. It just seems to me that the dynamic duo has always been fascinated by the thought of jail bait, then in a person who mines something. Even when they themselves were just past that very age....
Some of my favorite guitar solo spots are on 11TOW and Kamakiriad. That guitar solo in Junkie Girl and the one in Snowbound, come to mind immediately. Both are pure Walter.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandHoops - in an effort to say something a bit more positive about the TR/JJ experience - there was a good bit of interaction between both of those guys and the audience. The Florida Theater is a very nice place that holds a few thousand people (maybe). f anyone's ever been to the Fox in Atlanta, it's very similar to that except it's about half the size. One guy yelled "you're nuts!" at Rundgren and he shot right back with "you don't even know the half of it!" So, this show offers a bit more intimacy than the average show. Rundgren also offered up the fact that of the various drugs he was on, he was hoping a new one he had just taken called "Theraflu" wasn't going to work against him.
As for 11TOW, I've always thought Surf And/OR Die was the best track on there - for my tastes anyway. I can't remember which drummer played on that track, but it's a great groove! Lucky Henry is also a favorite.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKClas:
I gather he does a lot of solo live stuff and also gigs with his band under the name The Fluffers.
Saw Squeeze many times in their heyday and, although they were visually pretty uninspiring, lyrically and musically they were excellent IMHO. Chris Difford is still writing recording and performing live too, both with a band and solo.
Let's not mention Jools Holland eh? LOL
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgI listened a second time last night and already like it better. At least, I'm getting more used to Walter's voice.
Hoops is right, I've liked Donald's voice better because I'm used to it. That's why "Slang of Ages" is insanely annoying mixed in with the rest of EMG, though I really like the song. Interestingly, my brother, who is not a Dan fan but has to listen to it whenever he's in my car, likes Walter's work better than SD as a whole, and liked his voice better immediately. I think this is mostly due to the fact that he was really sick of listening to SD at all, and this is something different.
Posted by: Chrysler, PittsburghI must think more highly of 11ToW than anyone, on this or on other boards. The first time I heard it, I couldn't believe how rocked-out it was, and how every song seemed to run into the next with a disturbing lack of individual distinction, and couldn't decide if it was any good at all. The second time, the musical and lyrical Dan-isms became more and more apparent, and I started to like the thing. The third listen, it was those SEARING guitar sounds, those slash chord harmonies and progressions, that finally got me. And by the fourth auditing, the songwriting craftsmanship, the fact that on closer inspection the songs are really quite different from one another, each one having its own musical character, that confirmed my love for this opus.
Keep listening to it--I would be surprised if your estimation doesn't increase dramatically. 11ToW is every bit as good as Kamakiriad; I think of those two albums as perfect complements to each other, companion pieces, revealing the musical yin-yang of The Two Who Are Steely Dan.
Posted by: Clas, Chris in Toronto - Glenn Tilbrook? The man from Squeeze? Great band, great lyrics. My favourites: Black Coffee In Bed, Tempted (Paul Carrack's singing and playing the organ) and Loving You Tonight.
So, is Glenn Tilbrook doing solo gigs now or what?
Posted by: hoops, Acquired tastes? Donald's singing is not beautiful in the typical EuroAmerican stereotypes of pop, but it is so amazing in terms of phrasing, delivery and nuances. I'd say most Dan fans' preference for Donald's singing over Walters' has more to do with greater exposure to Donald's voice than Walter's. In other words, we're used to DF and no so used to WB. That's not the only factor but it is a major one.
Chrysler: I think most of the store music programmers do that as their day job and by night they play in SD cover bands. More seriously, they are probably frustarted musicans. And let's face it, SD works on so many levels. There are plenty of Danfans who have no idea what the songs are about...they just know it sounds pleasing.
Josey, thanks for the review. A little sorry to hear that you'd have to think twice before seeing the show a second time. I've never seen JJ live so I am looking forward to that. Fortunatley, the show is a couple of stops down the subway from work so it won't be too much trouble. Thank you again for the insights and all...very grateful for them.
Angel, great perspective on "Yellow Peril!"
Phillippe, interesting to see the juxtaposition of SD and Elvis Costello.
Paul, I agree with the "spectrum" bit comparing Kama and 11TOW; however, I think the spectrum is kinda focused just to Donald-and-Walterdom. As I've mentioned before, know people who aren't that familiar with Steely Dan who prefer Walter to Donald...the two I am thinking of are a little more in tune with grunge as well as Wilco, Dylan, etc.
Be well.
jim
Posted by: hoops, A side debate in some SD forums has been "Mac or PC?" Clearly D+W and associates use whatever will give them the results they want. However, here's a bit from USA Today where Mixmaster ES is pointed out as a user of PCs with AMD (rather than Intel) processors.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2005-04-18-amd-usat_x.htm
Posted by: Rajah, W1 - Plath and Sexton? Life is depressing enough without the likes of them. Women especially shouldn't read them, too many dangerous ideas, didn't that poor deranged woman who drowned her five kids used to post on the Plath/Sexton Blackbook? I think so. They'd trade spells and potions over there...creepy.
No, sweetheart, stick to the Steely Dan, turn it down from whip to frappe, it can't do that much damage to ya :)
Baba If It Good To Ya, It Gotta Be Good For Ya Rajah
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgWPO, YP isn't in the &c page, and I didn't find it on fd at all with Google Site Search. But 2A definetel is: http://feverdreams.net/etc.htm, they just must not quote the exact line you're thinking of.
Posted by: WPO, Tks Word (slow on the uptake here!) for the reference to Fever Dreams!
I'd searched the &cet section before but could find no ref to YP or to the 2A lines I quoted, but, being a grad student, I'll search again!
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: Little Wild One, the blood centerOMG! Observer just named 3 of my favorite poets. Merde, what does that say about me?
Raj, wanna bet?
11TOW is for adults only. Try it after a few life experiences and you get a whole different perspective.
Posted by: Pam, Bill Charlap Trio in NJFred Hersch & Bill Charlap Trio
Sunday June 5th - 7pm
McCarter Theatre in Princeton, NJ
Tix range from $39 - $46.
You can catch a NJ Transit train from Penn Station and then take the "Dinky" train the P.U. students use - the terminal is directly across the street from the theatre.
www.mccarter.org
Posted by: Rajah, Steely Dan is an acquired taste but not one likely to kill.
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgWhat I meant was "Nobody writes like this in the music industry" I contemplated adding a sentence which compared the lyrics to poetry, but since technically lyrical verse IS poetry,the line would have been pointless.
I love the phrase "x is an acquired taste", because my response is always "So are cigarettes." :)
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Paul, 11 TOW is an acquired taste, I still have trouble with it, I think Walter went for something waaay stripped down and he got it, that's his statement. But Kamakiriad is in a whole different league.
Angel honey, yes of course, consumed from the start on the musical topic of chasing jail-bait. Incorrigible. Love the way the piano chords move so strikingly on Yellow Peril, the lyrics foreshadowing their Far East themes, the character of Josie as the girl he left behind, the seeker, the wanderer, the grail knight, Odysseus or whatever, finding a prize, be it a music box, a mystical sphere, or in this instance, loose kinky Asian teenage mermaids punching through the cosmic wow.
Cool that Pimp-daddy Dan but don't let him coach the girls' varsity soccer team. Riding the bench would take on a whole new meaning [rim shot] thank you.
Posted by: Observer, Observatory"Nobody writes like this." Start with Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath, Robert Lowell, W.D. Snodgrass, all of whom wrote lyrics of the open wounds.
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgI finally got a hold of the 11TOW album. It's not a complete dissapointment, but isn't the greatest album ever, no doubt. It starts out pretty cool, "Down in the Bottom" is great. "Junkie Girl", meh. "Surf and/or Die" is lyrically amazing, but by this time I'm REALLY getting annoyed by Becker's voice. I like the AIA version of "Book of Liars" better, both in vocals and instrumental, especially the sax. The album seems to take on some real cohesion after this one... each track flows rather smoothly into the next and fit well together. "Lucky Henry" is great. "Hard Up Case" is okay... "Cringemaker" is okay... "Girlfriend" sucked. I was really digging the song until I got to the chorus, which reminded me of The Supremes (I like the Supremes, but not coming out of a guy). I liked "My Waterloo". "This Moody Bastard", meh. Then lastly, "Hat too flat"... which was weird, but kind of cool, and reminds me of some Kamikiriad tracks.
The lyrics on this album are absolutely astounding. Nobody writes like this. Unfortunately however, the audial weaknesses of this album outweigh the lyrical strengths, and I'll probably end up listening to this album about as often as Kami (not very often).
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandI have a copy of Robert Downey Jr.s' cd and I like it a lot. Vinnie and Greg Bissonette handle some of the drumming on it. It's one of those where the more I listened the more I liked it. I'll try and provide some more useless info as the day goes on.
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHello there, just received today my copy of the excellent Mojo magazine, this month again thre is a Steely dan reference, there are two in fact.
The first being in a Robert Downey jr interview:
q: what, if push comes to shove, is your all-time favourite album ?
a: Steely Dan, Aja, .Well, I vacillate between that and Elvis Costello, Imperial bedroom, but let's stick with Steely Dan, there's probably more musicianship in that album than in anything five years either side of it. And, of course, now that I've made an album I'm entitled to say such things. Or as Ben Franklin would say," I can fart proudly".
The second is in a Stealer's wheel review, they compare the group made of Joe Egan and Gerry "Baker street" Rafferty to the Dan.
That's all for now. I'll let you know for the june mention of the Dan in Mojo, maybe Donald's cd reviewed ???!!!
Let's go back home to see that new Pope.
Have a nice evening.
Philippe le Fran¡ais .
Posted by: angel, Just returned from Las Vegas, so I am a bit late to the Yellow Peril discussion. Does anyone else think the word might be minor, as in younger then 18?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandRe: the Joe Jackson/Todd Rundgren show - I'll start by saying I'm glad I used the word "alledgedly" yesterday concerning those backstage passes. More like the 18th row. Thankfully, they were free! Anyway, the show opened with a string quartet named "Ethel". They were really good and performed for about 20 minutes. Then Joe came out and played about 50 minutes - just him and the grand piano. Fairly entertaining. He covered a good number of his hits like Steppin Out, Be My Number Two, It's Different For Girls, etc. He then started flipping through a song book of lyrics looking for something to play and I thought he might treat us with an SD tune, but it turned out to be Eleanor Rigby. Hoops, and anyone else with the live trio Joe Jackson will be familiar with that.
About five minutes after JJ left the stage, Rundgren came out. At this point, I'll have to reiterate (sp?) my wishes to have been more familiar with his catalog. He opened with some song (just him and a guitar) that I think must've been called Black And White - maybe. And honest to God, I thought I was at a talent search contest! He did do an entertaining version of Bang On The Drum while playing a ukelele. He did some of his tunes on the guitar and about 4 on the piano. Hello It's Me and Bang The Drum were the only tunes I was familiar with. The last two songs were done by JJ and TR along with the string quartet. They did a great version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps!
As much of a Joe Jackson fan as I am, I wouldn't make the one hour drive to Jacksonville to see this one again. I really missed the full band thing - but that's just me.
Posted by: Girlfriend, testing 1-2-3There's a whole science that goes into Muzak selection. We here at the Blue used to benefit from the inside knowledge of someone who is in that field....Tracy, from the great Northwest, (if memory serves me).
All goes back to those productivity studies of the '40's. I will admit hearing SD whilst squeezing the melons perks me right up...
If that makes me the equivalent of a rat in a cage, at least I'm smiling.
Posted by: Chrysler, PAHoops: You got me thinking about SD and Muzak again. Just what is it about the geeks who sit around the big oval tables at Broadcast Architecture (or wherever) that makes them think D & W's music lends itself to the ambience of supermarkets, drugstores, and shopping malls? I mean, how did they arrive at that conclusion in the first place? Do they at all "get" Steely Dan?
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Pushing Buttons...Re: The Conga Roll...
Quite odd really, isn't it?
I do get the "roll" on the DVD-A on the disc's "stereo" playlsit setting but alas there is NO roll on the "surround" playlist setting...This is using a universal DVD-A/SACD player with analog 6.1 connections only...Too tired to try to figure it out but it really sounds like it's just not there at all...
Elliot? Elliot???
SOH
Posted by: hoops, Get Lotrimin UltraGee, Big Fan, it must be the spring weather or something, because I was shopping for the same thing in CVS this morning! No "Blues Beach" today but I have heard it there and in Home Depot in the past. Funniest Steely Dan selection I've heard in recent years was "Green Book" in that family, homestyle meal place, Boston Market. Not to be outdone, in the mid-90s I heard "Rose Darling" in Jewel-Osco (one of the Albertson's supermarket chains).
Fife: I will look for that on the Simpsons.
FACW, Raj, others: Thanks for the DVD-A "Rival" info...hmmmm.
Josey: I'm seeing JJ and TR in mid May. Was a huge JJ fan in the 80s and, while I picked up the live album with "King of the World," I rediscovered him just last Summer. I really respect Todd's talents a great deal and love more than just his hits, but I am but a casual fan. More interested in hearing JJ at this point. I'm sure Josie knows all this but thought I would bring up these bits: JJ also covered "Junkie Girl" on the same set of shows as KOTW, but I believe on a different night. I've heard that WB was in the audience for that and also that JJ was in the audience for one of the Sony tapings in 2000. A couple of surprising things I didn't know about Joe Jackson is that 1) his real name is Chris Jackson (well, not so surprising), 2) he's gay (surprising to me since he has written so many witty songs about being in love or sick of being love with girls and women), and 3) he's into cross-dressing (see booklet to "Night & Day II" and one of his fan forums). Anywhoo...he is one amazingly diverse musician. I read about half of his book "A Cure For Gravity" which is his autobiography up to the time "Look Sharp!" came out. It's an excellent read even if you aren't a JJ fan. Very entertaining. And if you are a Steely Dan fan, it's fun to note how many times he mentions Becker and Fagen and, moreover, to note how much he respects them.
Gotta go. Be well. Take care of that knee, Big Fan.
jim
Posted by: FACW, Rajah: I don't have a 5.1 speaker setup, so I can't comment directly, but the congas ARE there in the Stereo mix on my Boston Acoutics I reconditioned last year. Is it the Surround 5.1 mix??
Posted by: Big Fan, Art home - wha a beutifuk day on the right coastI was looking around the Itunes site. I've collected 42 free songs on Diet Pepsi caps - I know I drink way too much caffine. I bought 11 songs of the new Ivy CD, so I have 31 more to go. I saw a link to David Duchovny celebrity songlist. I was always a big X-Files fan. He's got Steely Dan Aja on his top ten favorites. I wonder if he and Tia ever caught a show?
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, usaWhat's wrong with Rick James?
I'm going to assume you haven't heard anything other than Superfreak.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandGoing to Jacksonville tonight to catch the Rundgren/Jackson tour. We alledgedly have backstage passes via the guy who is taking us. He's the sales manager for several radio stations in the area. Will let everyone know how it went tomorrow. Not very familiar with Rundgren's stuff. Huge fan of Joe Jackson's!
Posted by: Rajah,
Only way to cure an itch: scratch it (old Neopolitan saying) and I've had a few nasty rashes in my time [rim shot] I wanna tellya...
Hoopsie, no congas on My Rival on the PC at home, no congas on Gretchen's surround system, only on my 6.1 DTS do I hear them in the "back" speakers. It must have to do with settings, the format selected for playback and number of channels being used. I also hear the timbales in there, something I wish they'd bring back. They could have used a percussionist these last two tours, people have mentioned this, warm that groove up, add some spice.
Referring to the Tilbrook thing, man has an awesome voice, here's the thru-line I see:
Beatles - Hollies - Squeeze - Split Enz - Crowded House
Posted by: Big Fan, Work - spring is finally here
Another Steely Dan momment. Had to stop by a CVS pharmacy last week to pick up something for that nasty ringworm fungus that started where I wear my knee pads for BMX racing - anyway what's playing - Blues Beach. Hard to believe background music for buying drugs. BTW the old style treatments like Tinactin or any product that has the same active ingredients don't work. You have to get the newer perscription strength ones like Lotrimin. I have been itch free for a couple of days now.
Posted by: Heh heh, The Web
Clas gave NYB a nervous breakdown and he closed the board. Go to the old Yellow.
Posted by: Lcpaul, Cape TownWhat the hell's happened to the yellow pages/NY Bill's/St Al's old forum? Every time I try and log on I get some shit about about an error from bravenet with a very primitive graphic of someone banging his head against his monitor. Which is what I'm about to resort to. Aaaargh!
Posted by: Daddy G., NJI haven't read it all yet, but here's a Todd Rundgren interview...
THROW AWAY THAT OLD CLICHÖ, by Michael Pucci
http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/rundgren-todd-050418.shtml
A quick search within it found no mention of Donald and only a passing ref to Steely Dan by the interviewer which Todd does not seem to specifically expand upon. Still, I thought maybe a few folks might be interested given the recent Todd connections.
Posted by: FACW, Dan, hoops: I have contact with the Conga roll at 0:15 on my DVD-A corresponding with the CD...trade for a new one?
Anyway, the new DVD-A and Universal chip players are no more expensive that a DVD-V only player now - so all should get the following.
You'll hear why Gaucho got 4 1/2 stars from RS years ago before the MCA version of the CD ruined everyone's ear. Anyway - worth it to hear Sisters, Gaucho, TOOM, My Rival, TWM really soar. The title track is one of their better performances including stuff on Aja
The Nightfly: The best sounding vinyl record i ever had...DVD-A makes it come alive again.
Kamakiriad: Sounds like a completely new album on DVD-A. Big remix on Countermoon. Damn this is a weird album - videos for Tomorrow's Birls and Snowbound out of this world - Snowbound video really, really strange with Donald as a head in a toy car...
TvN: If you're wondering did the Dan really deserve the hat trick + 1 Grammy haul in 2001 - just listen to the DVD-A version. Really lively and wet. You'll be stunned by the Gaslighting outtro, the WASAM intro, Negative Girl, WEst of Hollywood, Almost Gothic, multiple sax on Janie, you won't believe how many instruments can fit on the title track...
EMG: Could be the analog recording - just not much of an improvement on DVD-A. Drums and bass a little different in the mix.
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, seattleifey, thanks for the tip. that was wonderful!
the simpsons are still cool.
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: Tommy Cat, San Diegooh My"
then Homer goes to the rolling stones rock camp"Steely moment of the day:
On tonight's episode of The Simpson's where Bart and Lisa are shown what life will be like in 2018 they play I.G.Y while Homer drives a hovercraft. Made my day!
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI've actually tried two DVD players and two DVD-ROM drives (mine and my parents). In all cases, I foun dno way to get any special options. Oh well, not much of a loss really. I basically know the lyrics anyhow and even if I don't, I can just read them out of the booklet. ;)
Hoops:
Yeah, the intro conga roll in "My Rival" is absent from the DVD-A version (much like the strangely-absent ride cymbal in the interlude of Blues Beach on the EMG DVD-A). In fact, the entire percussion side of My Rival seems to have been revamped. You'll notice a few more hi-hat accents and so forth. I really like the DVD-A mix of that song though, even without that conga roll. The Rhodes is a LOT more up-front (especially that flourish in the beginning of the instrumental break). As a matter of fact, I think the Gaucho DVD-A really does a great job of bringing the songs to life with slightly different mixes than we're used to (like the much-more-up-front percussion in the outro of Hey Nineteen). The only problem in my opinion is the mix they did for Babylon Sisters. It's missing one of the horn lines that really makes the song feel akward and the sound quality feels a little weird, almost hollow compared to other remasters of it.
Posted by: chris in toronto, ,I come to this awesome website quite often in order to try and keep up to date on potential developments/rumours/innuendo relative to my greatest cultural heroes of all time, the steely dans ---> (i am a long standing member of hoop's digest crew, not to mention that after driving for many hours a few summers ago i got to touch my holy grail: "THE FENDER RHODES", as a result of the curious set-up at the Borgata Ballroom in Atlantic City.... i also got to meet the legendary Pete Fogel in the antechamber outside the venue).....
i will admit to being a bit perplexed occasionally at the tremendous levels to which Don and Walt's lyrics are scrutinized by the peeps here .. note that i mean this quite good-naturedly :)
BUT, i am also struck by the commonality that often exists within even the most heated of threads/debates i read here ----> a real appreciation for 'quality' relative to musical composition and presentation.... recently, i found all of the stuff wrriten about PMG's new record particularly resonant (i was witness to just the second public performance of The Way Up on night2 of this tour and was emotionally overwhelmed by how fantastic it was)....
so, at the risk of being lectured, i present the following: i am completely torqued-up(tm) about seeing one of my other alltime heroes play tonight in toronto: the great Glenn Tilbrook ... I think he is easily one of the most under-rated contributors to our musical canon and think that 'Trans Atlantic Ping Pong' was the best record of 2004... In my estimation, Squueze were one of the most smashing bands of all time ...
Thoughts? threats of vengeful recrimination?
Posted by: word, ,you will find discussion of Second Arrangement and other unreleased/unofficial songs. Check the "&" section
Posted by: WPO, CDG
Tks Word Smith : been there, done that : nothing on YP or the specific other thing below.
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: Word Smith, cliff notes store
Hello Bill of Paris: Have you visited Oleander's excellent site which is full of volumes of discussion, speculation, and fact about Sd lyrics? If you go there and browse around you can read several years of fan discussion on these words and phrases.
http://www.feverdreams.net
Posted by: Ambrose, Trurow
Astounding indeed.
Posted by: Bill O'Brien (hereafter WPO), Paris, France (hereafter CDG)
Hello posters, I can tell I'll be abusing this list; it's already started!
So, I understand (maybe a little too well) "that noise again" but why compare it to a song, esp. to "something I can dance to"?
Odd to think that someone out there will know exactly what I'm referring to!
Bill
Posted by: Bill O'Brien, Paris, France
Dear Ambrose,
Your interpretation accounts for a lot more of the lyrics than what I had in mind, which was something much more straightforward : Vietnam-era soldier comes home with local bride, and that's about as far as I got !
I guess his "fuzz" would be his naŒvet»?
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: hoops, AA: Nice perspective on YP.
Good to see you, Bill O!
SueDave: Thanks so much for the comments; always appreciate them and picture your smiling face when I read what you write. I was thinking along the lines that the production had shifted at "Book of Liars," as if everything before was from different sessions. I *do* wish Walter would do a second solo album.
Beautiful Day here in Chicago. "Summer" starts for me in three weeks. Can't believe it!
Be well everyone.
jim
Posted by: Ambrosius Aurelianus, Sea of JapanYellow Peril's protagonist is a seeker, a pilgrim and a soldier. After campaign and triumph, he is rewarded with the discovery of the ceremonial music box, a key to understanding which when played silences the combatants.
SD is consumed with ancient ritual and world mythology from the start, the secret prize in the west where the river ends, the music that delights the ear.
The finah minah from China is just a red-herring. A "merm" is one of the hu genders, a psuedohermaphrodite which appears as a girl and comes down to us in the form of the mythological, "merm-maid."
Then again it could be about Dog Day Afternoon.
Posted by: Bill O'Brien, ParisHello, first post from a long-time Dandom Digest member. First question: what is the song Yellow Peril about? I have my suspicions, but will wait to post them until I hear something from the group.
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: suedave, happy that it's rainingHoopsie congrats on your new ride with the good stereo. When I was shopping for a new car a while back a good stereo was high on the list of must haves. Though I still dream about that Acura with the DVD-A....perhaps that would be just a bit too dangerous to listen to while driving?
Anyway weeks ago when you mentioned the production of 11TOW I pulled it off the shelf and put it in the car for a listen. It started off so raw, but the sound did seem to change starting at Book of Liars. It had been a while since I'd listened to it and let it loop over and over for days, but that rawness of the first listen never returned - instead I noticed that the first coupla songs were mixed in a way that had the percussion up front and the "jazzier" elements in the back, compared to many of the other songs on 11TOW that used a perhaps a more traditional mix. Not sure that I would have heard that detail at home on a much better sound system than what I have in the car, but I'm sure that the fact that those car speakers that practically surround my head compared to the home setup makes a huge difference....but still I long for another car with good rear speakers - nothing like a big american car!
Anyway one day I switched from the CD to an "alternative rock" radio station, I thought that Surf and/or Die might have fit right in.
Another Walter fan who would love another Walter CD.....
Posted by: hoops, Nice chat tonight. Thanks!
Posted by: Paul Carrack, -I remember Diane going off on me in the Dan newsgroup five or six years ago when I had the audacity to suggest that Steely Dan ("Josie" in particular) had been influenced by R+B records. I think she equated R+B with something along the lines of Rick James or New Edition (when I was thinking more Junior Walter, Ike Turner, or Bobby Bland), and she pretty much blew a gasket at my rather innocuous suggestion.
Then the "Aja" DVD came out a while later, but I didn't feel much like revisting what she turned into an argument.
Posted by: hoops, PQ:
Yes, I agree, the multiple takes back then in the 70s were quite excessive and crossed into OCD. But, as mentioned, the interview was in regards to EMG (Perhaps 2vN as well?) and the revived touring arrangements. As for Ellington, this, as I understand from an account on the Dick Buckley show, was how his band performed live and also as an extention of his band recording which were live events during minimal session times.
Dan from Kentucky:
I found on my simple DVD player, I could get lyrics and a really minimal photo gallery. I don't think there is video. I believe one anomaly to the DVD-A is that there is no DTS and you still have to buy the 1998 DTS disc to get that. If I may ask a favor: when listening to the DVD-A of "My Rival," do you hear the conga roll at about 17 seconds in, during the intro? Since it came out in 1980, I always heard it, but when I have heard the DVD-A, the conga is missing. Was wondering if it was me or the DVD-A. THANKS!
Gypsy:
I think what happens is that people stick their heads in and leave quickly if no one is in chat. I pop in 2-3 or more times a week, sometimes earlier than 9 as listed at the mast of this page, but then bop in and out. I'll try and stay put. Thanks for raising the topic.
Heya D^3.
jim
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgOk, now I know what you're all talking about. Thanks.
Dan, my DVD player does the same thing. I had to pop my Nightfly disc in my computer to use the other features. If you don't have a DVD-ROM drive in you're computer, they're relatively cheap now. $50 at Best Buy, or even better if you buy from somewhere like newegg.com (best online store EVER)
Posted by: W1P, Outer SpaceTheremin is an electronic instrument which is played by using your hands to interrupt the current and can change notes and volume depending on where you put place your hands. Two best examples of theremin in rock? Good Vibrations by the Beach Boys and Whole Lotta Love by Zep (see the Song Remains the Same film to see Jimmy going nuts with it).
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYA few moments ago, I opened up the Gaucho DVD-A case and popped the disc into my DVD player and kicked back to enjoy the music, as I do quite often. I've owned the DVD-A disc since it was first released, but I've always just listened to the 5.1 surround mix and never bothered to do anything else with it. Today, however, I noticed the mention on the bottom of lyrics/photo gallery/catalog. I thought I'd check these out. However, I discovered that I can't find any extras on the DVD! The only menu I have is the song choices. All of the other DVD-A discs have options for 2 channel or 5 channel surround, etc. but I can't find anything of the sort on this disc. What gives? Is it actually *supposed* to be like that, or is there something wrong here?
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgSo, theremin... is that a synth or something? Can you give me any examples of where it's used?
Just would like to know you're all talking about, as that is the subject of some of the latest threads. I'm not entirely familiar with the lingo of the music world, or the world in general.
Posted by: Olympia, WAThanks Drew, you're probably right. Larry King is getting big bucks for selling Vit C in the streaming commercials, then. Don't know why it should matter if I hear a commercial or not, just so starved for SD stuff anywhere, I suppose, and Im getting a sort of panic feeling that it's all over for good, that 2003 was the last of it. Here's hoping for some real actual words and sounds before too long. Donaldfagen.com and listening for radio commercials just isn't doing it for me in the meantime.
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoMost likely the streaming audio carries different commercial breaks than the regular radio feed. The station where I work used to do a pure simulcast of our stream. A couple of years ago we were told not to play any commercials on-line. The talent behind many commercials wanted to be paid for being used in more than one media source. That might be why you haven't heard the Piano Jazz commercial in the streaming audio for Air America.
Posted by: Hello Sid, Cambridge FridgePFE is actually Pink Froyd from San Diego http://www.pinkfroyd.com We borrowed their sax player at the Coach House show
Posted by: would love to hear it, Olympia WASomebody mentioned that the SD Piano Jazz release is advertised on Franken's AirAmerica radio show. I wonder if that's only in some markets (or maybe only on satellite radio?). The only ads I ever hear are for car insurance and Vit C pills. I usually listen on the live internet stream.
Posted by: Sid, looking for Mr. JohnsonW1P,
The Pink Floyd Experience
The Theatrical Production that brings to your stage every aspect of the amazing
Pink loyd Legend!
"PFX might be the closest thing to capturing the real deal"
Toronto Sun
The Pig Flies Again!
Posted by: Lyr, I meant WOULD'VE - would have been great
Posted by: Lyriconized, Donald Fagen is thanked in the end credits of the Theremin movie.
King of the World with theremin? Wow. Our boys hated how the synthezier turned out on that cut. Theremin wouldn't been great!
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.It would have to appear on that outer space compilation record that never made it to the launcing pad:
THEREMIN MADNESS: CREEPY DAN BLASTS OFF.
Sign in Stranger From Another Planet
King of the Outer World
Spacewalk Between Capsules
Any World That I'm Welcome To
Aja(When All My Moondancing is Through)
Time Out of Space
Slang of Uranus
Almost Cosmic
Pixeleen, Space-Slut of the 25th Century
Greenbook, Where I Got Off
Tomorrow's Space Clone Girls
Posted by: dianeDianeDIANE, SeattleI haven't posted here in... what, Hoops? A year or two? I dunno. Time plays games with me.
So whoever posted using something resembling my handle is just doin' that thing the internet makes so easy: hoaxing!
I haven't posted to St. Al's guestbook for even longer. I have no idea when the last time was, but it has been years.
A friend recently told me the Banyan Trees guestbook had been revived. So I went there and posted the link to my blog, http://bigthinkersmalltown.blogspot.com/
It wasn't simple exploitation on my part. It was a calculated placement. Most of the people who listen to Steely Dan and participate in the various groups are intelligent and involved. I just wanted to share what I've been up to with them, and maybe start another dialog.
I still love the Dan as much as I ever did (although I am currently selling my vinyl collection, including my Steely Dan records), but it's a lot more important for me to put my energies into political and social reform than it is for me to reiterate (for the billionth time) what a bad crush I have on Walter.
Also, it gives Walter a break from being adored. You know he needs it.
So I hope my post will appear here and all my friends and foes alike will take it for what it's worth.
love and kisses
diane
Posted by: W1P, MarigoldsCorpsy -- there is a documentary film called "Theremin" about the inventor of the instrument. Pretty funny interviews, especially with Brian Wilson.
Raj -- think King of the World with the Theremin -- now THAT's evil!
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoThere's a syndicated radio show called "The Acoustic Storm" that plays in many markets on Sunday mornings. We run it here in San Luis Obispo from 8 to 11am. Included this Sunday is the Steely Dan performance of "Josie" from Piano Jazz.
Posted by: Rajah-stan-by your Handle, L.A.Call Keith Jarret's intellectual property lawyers! Call the Registrar's Office in Sri Lanka! Call my ole Maharani and have her stoke up the blood ritual Kulee Baba Rajah party torches tonight cause it's a Holy War [insert sound of vestals in heavy Burkas yipping wildly] when my moniker gets copped, purloined and downright pinched without so much as a by-your-leave.
Bring around my Stutz Bearcat Magic Carpet, Abu, tonight the Rajah rides to Terramare...
Da Noive
Baba Till You Use Me Up Rajah
Posted by: Girlfriend, forum shoppingBased on my photographic memory, 3D had a unique identifier to her posts, so methinks we have an imposter, namely, NYBill talking to himself....
Posted by: ps2, herePardon me, it's Four Blocks To Hennepin, not from. And like people on the Google mailing list write, it's pretty rare these days to have an album with not a single song you feel like skipping. It's refreshing to have this relatively 'new' band -their debut cd was released in 2000- blending pretty much everything one could like in music. Terramara certainly makes for a pleasant drive in the car or helps ease the stress in a traffic jam.
Rajah, some of the Rajastan lyrics:
" and in my crystal palace my thoughts seem callous and cold in the heat"
Anyway, there's a lot of pleasantry ahead for the Steely Dan fans, 2005 will be a very good year!
Posted by: PS, hereAnd if it wasn't Diane posting that comment, I apologize to her too and think it's very low if someone uses someone else's name to misbehave!
Posted by: Corpsy V, hereW1P, funny you mentioning the Theramin, it's such an amazing instrument and I was just perusing the net for more on the subject because it fascinates me a great deal!
Diane Diane Diane, (and my apologies to Hoops for making a comment like this on his Bluebook) you should have known better than to come in here and complain about St. Al and the Yellow, yet leave a link to your blog in there first as in shamelessly plugging it with no interest in whoever posts in Yellow or the people involved. And St. Al also defended you, so it's pretty low to post the post you posted. And not so courteous to Hoops who hosts this Bluebook either, because there's been enough of that contra versus etc etc stuff in either message board. Those who don't mind, don't mind, those who don't care, don't care and those who ignore, ignore and not bring it up because it's not relevant.
So you shouldn't have done so either, this not the place for it!
Both the Blue and the Yellow (as well as the Dandom Digest) each have their own place and angles in what can be seen as a very nice social-historical thang in the Steely Dan fandom years so far. They each contribute in their own way and it's appreciated by people, readers, lurkers, musicians who don't post but frequent the variety in options availabe.
Rajah, it's amazing how this works: Terramara, the band from Minneapolis that is bound to appeal to a great deal of SD listeners, has a song on their most recent album Four Blocks From Hennepin. Track numero 6 is called RAJASTAN and it's a lovely easy-going song with poetic lyrics and a melody you could easily sing, whether you have your Sinatra voice switched on or off! When i read the songtitle, I had this hilarious SD/forum moment!
Posted by: Gypsy they do show time and time again., NYAll of your sub personalities make for a rather crowded chat room and no one else can seem to get a word in edge wise. Have you thought about hiring a shrink for each one?
NYBill
Posted by: PQ, NYCJim, with all due respect, 86 takes of a guitar solo with 42 different guitarists is not improvisational. It is in effect paranoia. And Becker and Fagen even make fun of themselves in this regard, on the inside sleeve of the compilation called The Steely Dan Story. They seem to acknowledge relaxing more now.
The greatest jazz albums are those that are done in a day or two, not six months. And the quote from Duke Ellington refers I beleive to his studio recordings, does it not?
Posted by: Rajah, Talkbox yes, Theremin, well, not too sure if there's a trippy enough tune in their catalogue to support that thing. I'm thinking space travel, Sign in Stranger.
I see the Diplomatic Corps is back. I'll get my smoking jacket.
Posted by: W1P, LARaj, don't you think "The Dan" would benefit from a Theremin?
Posted by: gypsy queen, waitingWouldn't it be nice if a couple (or more) folks would show up in the Green some night? It was such a fun place not too long ago.
Posted by: Not half as tiresome as you Rajah, New York of Course!
Just like the Dan Hick's song how can we miss you when you won't go away?
NYBill
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Geez, if your biggest fans for decades can't decipher the songs being played, well, then no matter how great an icon you are, were or hope to be, doesn't that get ... tiresome?
Posted by: NYBill, New YorkJim please post more about the Dylan show ~ I am waiting breathlessly by the computer until you tell it all.
NYBill
Posted by: Diane Diane Diane, SeattleI think St. Al has flipped his lid for good this time.
If he does not stop foaming at the mouth over there on the yellow dribble he is going to blow a fuse.
DDD
Posted by: hoops, PQ's response to Chrysler tangentially reminds me of a revealing interview with SD around the time EMG came out. The interviewer asked something to the effect that wasn't Steely Dan being less than spontaneous by focusing on a certain desired result? Were all the players on their records and in their concerts told exactly what to play? To some extent, I even kinda felt this in the back of my mind.
They (not sure if it was D or W) responded that they actually worked in the tradition of Duke Ellington. Like him, they had set arrangements, but they also had set aside times where the players got to stretch and improvise. Indeed! That's exactly what happens. Furthermore, there are some radical exceptions to SD faithfully reproducing their recordings live. Consider "Reelin'..." and "Rikki..." for example. To be sure, it's not like the Bob Dylan show I attended last week, when it wasn't until the next day when I got on the web the next day and realized he had played songs that were so unrecognizably different from the versions I knew. (Of course, that is so typical of Dylan's shows.)
So somehow, I have gotten caught up in this idea that Jazz must always be improvisational when of course it doesn't.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, Thank you gentlemen, very instructive, so additive synthesis explains 80s music. Hunh. All those overtones are necessary for the harmonics of Steely Dan. And still they managed to record a lot of freaky stuff in analog, yeah, no way Donald would have settled for that thing in King of the World, it's fine, it's great but I bet if he had other options...
Of course there it is on Peg, I hear three strains in the first :12 of the studio version, Lyricon, Rhodes' accents maybe and something else flying around back there besides Lyricon?
Posted by: FACW, DaddyG:
You can hear it right after:
"I keep it with your letter"
whistling -type almost birdlike phrase and repeated
On My Rival is the lyricon part of the horn section?
ba da ba (repeat)
then
ba da ba (down a third?)
At least that's what's in my head...
Posted by: Lyriconized, The main little reedy horn section figures throughout Peg are all multi-tracked Lyricon.
Additive synthesis builds pure overtones into a complex timbre, where subtractive synthesis (in most common analog synthesizers from Moog, Arp, Oberheim...) takes a complex waveform and filters out overtones with lowpass/highpass/bandpass filters, which give those synthesizers their characteristic sound.
Brecker hated the Lyricon, but took right to the EWI. Wayne Shorter also played Lyricon with Weather REport (not too well), and Bennie Maupin played one with Herbie's Headhunters.
I also wasn't thrilled with Breckers' current sample-triggered, looping EWI performances. He is more amazing when he just plays the thing straight like a musical instrument.
Posted by: Rajah, Wow, had no idea it was so widely used by so many players, the thing then that Brecker played was not an "EVI" but an "EWI," or electronic wind instrument. I think I can place it on Glamour Pro and My Rival. I'd have to listen for it on Peg, it must be buried in there somewhere.
So "additive synthesis" I would hazard a guess and take that to mean it has some sort of programmable processor chip in there as opposed to a "primitive" affair which is basically set up to sound a certain way, capable of a certain range of a discrete sound but it's limited in the sense that it's set, it's fixed, and what you blow is what you get?
Posted by: Lyriconized, Lyricon, Steely, Tom ScottLyricon also played by Tom Scott on Glamour Profession and My Rival (Gaucho), and some snippets on the Woody Herman Band cover record Chick, Donald, Walter and Woodrow (or something like that - has some nice Victor Feldman solos as well).
Tom Scott has played Lyricon on hundreds on records: his own solo recordings, with Billy Cobham, George Harrison, Grateful Dead, Victor Feldman, and on and on.
Lenny Pickett also used one with Tower of Power.
The original Lyricon is still not 'primitive' synthesis. It is quite complex 'additive synthesis', which was rare in a hardware unit in the pre-personal computer days.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJHere's a discography of wind synthesis....
http://www.windsynth.org/concert_hall/discography.shtml
In the S's it lists "Scott, Tom" as having played the lyricon on SD's Aja & Gaucho. A quick perusal of the Gaucho credits shows Scott's lyricon on "Glamour Profession" and "My Rival."
Posted by: Daddy G., NJMy Aja CD insert lists under the "Peg" credits, "Lyricon: Tom Scott"---that's it as far as the lyricon goes. Don't know if it ever made another appearance on later albums.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Daddy, what you need is some linguini with garlic and extra virgin, crack some pepper and sprinkle some pecorino Romano on there. It will raise the dead.
Speaking of wind synths, btw, what cut(s)does Scott play it on AJA?
Michael Brecker pulled out an EVI, electronic valve instrument, last summer with his quindectet. It sounded more like an electronic instrument than a wind instrument. It must also have pre-recorded loops that are triggered somehow, even though Brecker instructed us that what we were about to hear was strictly live performance. The guy would be brilliant on a kazoo even but that EVI, he called it, "eevie," was annoying to these ears. I don't wanna start up our soprano sax debate again but this thing is somewhat reminiscent.
Posted by: Daddy G., The answers are blowin' in the wind synthesisAnother page on wind synthesis, with links to various other samples if anyone's mildly interested/curious....
http://www.windsynth.org/whatsgoingon.shtml
Of course any techie stuff is waaaay over my head (a kazoo is over MY head), but I'll just be curious to check out some of the sounds later.
Time to go puree some breakfast. :-)
Posted by: Daddy G., 1 outta 3P.S. Tried to start an MP3 download of JD's lyricon samples after all and I find that 2 of the 3 give a 404 error. "Old Roman Road" seems like it's there, but I haven't actually downloaded it yet.
Posted by: Daddy G., I've had this pain now since yesterday :-)Thanks for the well-wishes and kind words Paul, Hoops, Oleander. Feeling a little better this morning, but still not ready to tackle solid food. As diets go I prefer the more traditional "eat less & exercise." :-)
Anyway, from an article about the English language in flux, whereby the writer is trying to stump the OED with words....
*** Dictionary updates reflect changing English language ***
http://entertainment.news-leader.com/today/20050414-Dictionaryupdat.html
[ Fortunately, on one of the days I was battling the dictionary, I was listening to Steely Dan's "Aja." On that disc, a guest artist named Tom Scott employs a "Lyricon," a primitive synthesizer developed in the 1970s that could be played like a wind instrument.
Success. Beginning with the gratifying phrase, "If you do not get the results you want," the dictionary offered me several alternative search strategies. None produced "Lyricon."
Pop music, in fact, seems to be an OED weakness. On March 10, the online version added the proper noun "Deadhead" to denote a fan of the Grateful Dead Û nearly 10 years after the band's lead guitarist, Jerry Garcia, died. ]
That piece led me to finding more info about the lyricon....
http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/lyricon/
http://www.jorritdijkstra.com/thelyricon.html
The second Jorrit Dijkstra link has downloadable mp3 samples, but I don't have time right now to check'em out myself.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKHoops:
You are more than welcome.
Posted by: oleander, better nowWow. The past is blasting.
DG--Thanx for that, & I bet nothing happened to your net wisdom quotient at all.
BTW, fever dreams actually is an SD reference:
"Last night I dreamed of an old lover dressed in gray
I've had this fever now since yesterday...."
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgHoops, I completely agree with you. I'm so sick of having to register an account with every forum that I'm going only to make one post or question on, it's really annoying, and I'm glad the Bluebook doesn't require anything like that. Keeps it real, or whatever.
Thanks again for the service you provide here. I probably am going to start sounding annoying thanking you so often, but I couldn't thank you enough. Most people (and I'm NOT talking about bluebook frequenters, but the world population in general) don't realize the amount of work that goes into maintaining a forum like this.
Posted by: hoops, Neil T/bassicinstinct:
For some reason, my "thank you" email won't go out right now...so thanks for the headsup about the spam this morning. Much appreciated.
Especially good to hear from you Joe M.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Hey Paul;
Thanks for your concern and advice. You make a lot of good suggestions about spammers, administration etc.
A little history and background about this here BlueBook is that it is based on a relatively ancient script over a decade old. As you and others know, a number of forum, guestbook and blog scripts and hosting apps are available and are more sophisticated in terms of security, membership, html codes, graphics posting, etc. In fact, I actually administer the technically more sophisticated types of forums for topics connected to my professional life.
Back 12-18 months ago, we had a severe spam problem. After I have offered these many options, the denizens here have made their preference known that we stick with this classic guestbook forum. It's drawbacks also result in benefits: it makes it easy for those with anonymous SD tips to post without fear of blowing their anonymity. That makes up for the headaches.
Be that as it may, my one request is that if you see spam posted, folks should simply ignore it until I have the opportunity to check in. Usually (although not today), I check in a few times a day.
THANKS AGAIN!
Beautiful day here in Chicago; had the moon roof open and played the "Aja" CD really loud while cruising down I-290. Get the teeth better DG!
jim
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.orgOoh, sounds like hell. When my dad had the same thing done, while still dreary from the drugs he told my mom to go buy him a laptop and a malt mixer. At least he got the mixer...
Take care. Eat lots of ice cream.
Posted by: Joey, " Finally got around to seeing the flick "Sideways". Very enjoyable and it's propelled by a great pop-jazz soundtrack by Rolfe Kent. I went out and bought the soundtrack and some of the tunes sound like they could have been penned by Fagen. Bright and breezy. "
Well Done Mark ......................
The movie " Sideways " was written and directed by an old High School classmate of mine , Alex Payne ( .... albeit he graduated a few years ahead of me ).
Those " bright and breezy " tunes on the soundtrack sure didn't help it much against Eastwood's " Million Dollar Baby " at the Oscar Ceremony though .......depresing film THAT one .
Jacky ! Ù
Posted by: Daddy G. Lite, Now with 2/3 less wisdom!
Not a steely moment IÌll treasure...
Broke one of my 3 remaining wisdom teeth a few weeks ago. It was the lower left one, so the dentist tells me they usually takeÌem in pairs in that instance because the upper one will eventually drop down into the void and cause problems. Besides he was having a two for one sale and I canÌt pass up a bargain.
IÌd had the upper right one pulled several years ago and for whatever reason it seemed like cake at the time, not bad at all. Still, I wasnÌt looking forward to having two more yanked.
While heÌs still doing his preliminary oral reconnaissance prior to digging in, the radio speaker overhead starts playing ÏHey Nineteen.Ó DonÌt know if IÌll be ever be able to listen to that song again now!
At least they didnÌt play ÏYour Gold Teeth (I or II).Ó
The extractions turned out to be not as simple this time. He had to rip and chop and slice a little, had to split the broken one all the way through the middle and then extract each root separately.
At least I have drugs on hand.
Ow. Ow. Ow. Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh... Hmmmmm, paaaainkilllllllers...
Posted by: JoeM, Hello folks,
Just a quick blurb...
Air America (Al Franken Show) is now running an ad for the Piano Jazz release. It features some comments from the Duo. A little push could go a long way for this one. Gotta love hearing these two guys on the radio, regardless of content.
JM
Posted by: PQ, NYCChrysler: in retrospect the "My standards are just too high for this world" production values pointed up something very commendable, even though they go totally against what jazz is supposed to be about. Most real jazz players are perfectly content to leave the mistakes in as long as the ideas come across.
But, in my opinion, SD has managed to do something that not alot of groups have, and they deserve mucho credit for it. They are the only band I know of that use(d) the Phil Spector recording philosophy who come very close to actually reproducing the recordings pretty accurately in concert. Most groups that adhere to Spector's style are simply out to make great records and could care less about what they sound like live.
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, Woods 'O NemacolinRe EMG: Recently got a verbal review of that album by someone I thought was as much a dan fanatic as the rest of us here; he listened to it @ four times, pronounced it "flat" and "disappointing," never listened to it again. Denies that Steely Dan is on a par with the Beatles and Joni Mitchell (his musical idols), puts them on a second tier of greatness rather than first. Of course I vehemently objected. But I'd like to know how many other posters have friends, relatives, coworkers, et al. who LIKE the Dan, but don't LOVE 'em, and will tell you why they feel that way (and who they rank above SD).
Posted by: CD Guru, CD StorePaul, go to half.com, they have a healthy supply.
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netI went to two different used CD stores today to find 11TOW, but neither had anything. I was even willing to trade a slightly used Hard Days Night to get it! From the discussion on the board, I don't think I want to risk buying it new, or even wait for it from Amazon/eBay/&c.
Both store's collections in general were pathetic, one of them had NO SD CDs AT ALL, and the other only had Aja and AIA. Coincidentally, it was the store playing death-metal in the background that had those 2, while the one playing Eric Clapton had none...sort of ironic, I suppose.
Posted by: Rajah, I forgot about Anne de Seicle and Kid Clean, another set of star-crossed party animals in love. Hey, he almost got there...
Here's how I wish they'd configured EMG:
Godwhacker
Greenbook
EMG
Gina
Slang
Pixeleen
TIMTM
BB
Last Mall
EMG has some "flow" issues with the track order.
Posted by: Speculator, LibraryWest of Hollywood is about girlfren ODing on horse. It's almost straight autobiography.
Posted by: Rajah, Mr. Chesterfield satisfies...
Smoke smoke smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
While inhaling too many fumes fom my kitchen painting project, I was thinking how the last 18 songs from The Two fall into two big categories thematically speakin: chicks (problematic, troublesome, discomfiting):
Abbie
Neg Grl
Gothic
Cuz Janine
Franny from NYU
Gina
Mr. Steely's Ex from TIMTM
Janie
Pixeleen
Slang from outta state
..and those tunes which reveal the current state of mind of Mr. SteelyDan, what he's into and having little or nothing to do with the fairer sex:
2vN
EMG
Godwhacker
Jack of Speed
Greenbook
West of H'wood
Blues Beach
Last Mall
Inhale deeply and consider that maybe Gina and the Negative Girl are closely allied (more than a dash of Katy in these two)
He's out-of-sych with Abbie, Slang, the Ex, Franny and Cuz Janine.
He likes Janie and Pixeleen pretty much.
And never too busy for a quickie even when things are falling apart, he's looking for cheap thrills from Ms. Fugazy, Trina & Yvonne, Ms. Kiss-Me-Deadly, the Check-Out Girls, Ms. Ripe-and-Ready-and-Bad-Thru-and-Thru and his Little Birdie friend.
One thing you gotta love: MisterSteelyDan is a skirt-chasing horndog, always lookin to get a leg over, cop a quick feel, arrange something cheap and dirty, even under a blood-orange sky. This guy would bring a date to a funeral.
He so a-horny.
Posted by: Nightfly, foot of Mt. BelzoniWhat? No Chesterfields??
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netLooks like the board's getting spammed.
Here are some ideas to prevent this in the future:
1. Disallow more than one post per minute per IP address.
2. Make the postee type in a randomized code that cannot be interpreted by spam-bots (a bit difficult to do, but possible).
3. Do not allow duplicate comments in a row
4. Keep track of where spammers are coming from and disallow their IP from the page.
#1 and #2 are probably the most useful of the ideas. If I think of more, I'll tell you. Oh, and if you have no idea how to implement these safeguards, let me know, I'ld be happy to help.
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Posted by: Nashcat, Guitar TownWow! Dave Letterman is 58 today, and the band played Reelin In the Years, which he seemed to be really getting into.
Posted by: Douche, Powder RoomSideways - they should have resisted the temptation to put in the scene where he has his class read selections from A Separate Peace. Thusly a film with iron balls became sappy.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Lords of the RingsWhat a glorious day at Fenway yesterday! The Sox were awarded their Championship rings with about 30 former Sox players looking on. Bill Russell (Celtics), Bobby Orr (Bruins), Tedy Bruschi & Richard Seymour (Patriots), all Champions, threw out the first pitch. I have to tip my hat to the Yankees, Joe Torres and Jeter both stood on the dugout steps and applauded every minute. That's class.
Finally got around to seeing the flick "Sideways". Very enjoyable and it's propelled by a great pop-jazz soundtrack by Rolfe Kent. I went out and bought the soundtrack and some of the tunes sound like they could have been penned by Fagen. Bright and breezy.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Rajah, Hoops to the rescue, damn, you're good, thanks.
Baba Cheapskate Rajah
Posted by: hoops, passsing thru on the quickRaj and others, I think I have the hard copy of that article still. E-me privately and hopefully I can make you a copy.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I just tried to read the NY Times review of Harbison's aborted Lolita project, "Struggling with Lolita and Losing," which is funny enough on its own but they wanted $2.95 cents for the privilege! The internet is killing the newspaper stars, finally. I'll be durned if I'll pay 2.95 for 271 words, hell, if Hoops charged that I'd be flat busted by now.
To quote my favorite line from Poppa Was a Rollin Stone: Dadgummit!
Posted by: W1P, Bay AreaDo we have any Bay Area Dan fans on this board?
From Aja Vu -- the Bay Area Dan tribute:
With Tax-Season finally at an end it's time to celebrate with AjaVu at Linwood's Bar at Chaminade in Santa Cruz - this Saturday Night starting at 9:30pm.
Details:
WHERE: Linwood's at Chaminade One Chaminade Lane
Santa Cruz, CA 95065 For more information call (800) 283-6569
chaminadeinfo@benchmarkmanagement.com
WHEN: Saturday Night - April 16th - show starts at 9:30 PM
COVER - NO COVER CHARGE (as of today - please call ahead to verify)
We look forward to seeing you this Saturday Night at the Linwood's at Chaminade in Santa Cruz! Thank YOU once again for another successful show and benefit last Saturday at the Kings Head!
We really do appreciate your support!
For more information and to learn about up-coming shows - please visit us at Aja Vu - Official Website http://www.ajavu.com
Posted by: Rajah, smile on your brotherPinkzilla: all is one, we stand on guard for you.
This Too Will Pass,
Baba-at-Peace Rajah
Posted by: W1P, LASeth, I wish I could but my grasp of physics is rather poor. Anyway, what I meant was the more I listen to EMG the less I like it -- which is a far cry from "hate." As far as the PF talk, I try not to initiate a lot of it and I think history will bear me out that much of the PF related stuff I post here is responsive. Most of the remainder is PF/SD related (a la the Nick Mason Cathy Berberian reference on which no one has yet commented). In any event, I shall resist the responsive temptation and eliminate the initiation which should, if others cooperate, eliminate the problem. Peace
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netI'm back from vacation finally, and I'm glad to be back. I played SD and PF almost constantly during my 18 hours in the car, and although I'm slightly sick of them both (it'll pass), I noticed a few little cool things. (I noticed a lot more than on this list, but I've got to run out the door again)
- I've never listened to EMG on headphones before this week, and wow! it adds an entire new dimension to the album. "Godwhacker" and "Green Book" especially.
- "Cousin Dupree"... there's lots of imagery in the song that suggests the setting of this affair is during the winter, or somewhere with snow/cold ("playin' gin by a cracklin' fire", "wax her skis", &c.), but if this is true, why is she wearing "little tops and tight capris"?
- I realized during many of songs that I get a distinct impression of color while I listen to them. I'll discuss this in more detail later, but I'm rushed for time.
It looks like I've of got lots of posts on the board to catch up on, and a digest to read. Good to be back, talk to y'all later.
Posted by: Daddy G., Synchronicity strikes again....Came in on the middle of "Fresh Air With Terry Gross" on NPR today and she was interviewing Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez about "Sin City". I was debating whether or not to post this at all because it's not even all that tangentially steely, but then I see Oleander popped in so that seemed like the perfect prompt....
Fresh Air with Terry Gross -- Monday, April 11
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13
Terry Gross asked Frank Miller about the violence in "Sin City" and this was his response:
"Iím not a believer in restraint really when it comes to fiction, because I believe thereís a distinct difference between reality and fiction that has to be observed. And I often dive into my stories wishing to create a FEVER DREAM even though I put a lot of preparation into the plotting when I start executing I work very quickly and I want to push things to extremes because I want to get a reaction out of people who read it. Also, I come from a field and an art form, comics, that do not have the rather notorious punch that film does and part of my job is getting peopleís attention. Iíve also gotta say that after sixty-some years of utterly sanitized Batman and Superman stuff where the heroes become deputies and all the cops are honest somebody had to crack that egg open and really make some noise."
I also wonder if any of that might apply to musicians during the creative process, whether Don & Walt (or others) ever want to "get a reaction" (I'm thinking maybe "Godwhacker") or if the primary focus is more usually on expressing some reaction/emotion of their own (or some mix of the two). Probably depends upon the artist and/or the song, I'm sure. Anyway, I just liked the "fever dream" ref. :-)
Posted by: Seth, tough guyW1P- I never really minded all your non stop Pink Flyod/Pink Flyod tribute band talk. But now that I've found out you hate EMG, you can go fuck yourself!
Posted by: oleander, out in left fieldWoolly--Sorry about the email. My usual e is indeed outta whack and I forgot to change it on fever dreams, thinking as I did that it was vanishingly unlikely that someone would contribute something at this point in the between-release hiatus. Please write me at the email above, and be sure to enter "1" where it says "numeral one."
Er, love to hear from anyone else, too.... Or most anyone else....
Posted by: hoops, W1P; It's not that I dislike Pink Floyd like you dislike EMG, its more that Pink Floyd has, IMHO, been a bit overkilled on the blue that it is part of why I now switch when they come on radio. Like it or not (in more than one way), EMG is a primary topic here. Sorry if that's harsh but I don't think the kid gloves made my message come across. I love Van Morrison and Bob Dylan almost as much as SD and Elton John (despite that he's not in the same league) is a another biggie from growing up, although he is not nearly as meaningful as SD is to me. Have liked them enough that I have run forums, digests or pages on all of these. But hopefully, I haven't overkilled discussing these here.
With the same degree of frankness and honesty, W1P, I have to say you are the most dedicated PF fan I've ever knownóand a Dan fan to boot. I really admire your loyalty, your depth of knowledge, and enthusiasm. Based on what I have seen you write, I bet you could run the best damn Pink Floyd forum there is (are there a few or dozens?)óheck, maybe you already run such a forum. I'm definitely not saying we can't disuss PF, just I'm asking as an individual and with a polite, sweet, motherly voice, if we might turn down the volume a tad on that one so I can hear the Dan a tad more clearly. ;-)
So the Stevie Wonder single, "So What The Fuss!" is awesome! It, 2vN and "Gaucho" SACD have been playing like crazy in my new car stereo which is in my new '05 "NYTFLY 1." Per-Gunnar from Sweden also sent me a Big Band Steely Dan album that's pretty interesting. A while back I was reading how Mixmaster ES was consulting to GM on designing surround systems for their new luxury cars, but I also didn't realize how much more seriously auto manufacturers have started taking sound systems and also how complicated and pricey they have made installing third party sound systems.
There's this one part on "So What The Fuss!" that has a sudden sound that make me think I'm being honked at by another car. This got me thinking about Scheiner's comment on Surround in autos, that it's an optimal environment. I agree; yet, I can just imagine some sound coming from some unusual place in the car and scaring the shit out of me while I drive.
Also, Ellington and Coltrane on "In A Sentimental Mood" is just sublime (which I used to describe only what is IMHO the most perfect of recordings, like "Deacon Blues.") On the way in to work this morning I drove in the new NYTFLY and was just amazed at the drums and cymbals on it and how they quicken. Wow.
Be well.
jim
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoI work at a group of radio stations in San Luis Obispo, Ca. including the local Air America affiliate. They just played a commercial for the Steely Dan "Piano Jazz" CD. It was very well produced, combining interview and music segments. The spot was probably a combination buy from the record company and Border's.
Nice to hear some publicity for the release and also interesting that they would choose to advertise on Air America.
I'm glad to see that the advertising dollars aren't being wasted on classic rock stations.
Posted by: Robert Moog, good vibrationsSanta Barbara is a town filled with mild-mannered WASPs wearing flip-flops and sweaters tied around their necks looking for a decent macchiato. The only time they leave poolside is for Slow-Growth Development rallies. What on earth did you guys do to wind the crowd up and did it have anything to do with that creepy Theramin thingy? It used to make my neighbors violent when I was developing it in the garage.
Posted by: Tough Town, Santa BarbaraCivilized Santa Barbara. At Saturday's Which One's Pink? show a fight broke out in the audience and literally spilled onto the stage taking our lap steel back into the crowd (along with some trampling of one of the foot pedal boards). We couldn't wait to get back to LA where it's safe. No way we're taking on NYC!
Posted by: wooly, olympiaHey, feverdreams.net is back up which is good, but Oleander's email address doesn't work any more it seems, least not for me. I wanted to send something for posting but can't tell if its there, broken, whatever. Anybody heard from her, is she ok?
wooly
Posted by: FS, da love-inYour mother huh? Way to make a guy feel dead AND old.
You gotta have hope baby.
Posted by: Little Wild One, call me...A very nice sentiment, W1P. I'm loving this respect and tolerance mode.
You know, I would NEVER stand in line for a day to see the shell of a person, but I respect those who choose to spend their time that way.
And BTW, FACW, your post on the Yellow about the Pope Watch absolutely MADE my week...(yes, it was one of those) and confirmed my personal faith in the synchonicity of Dan Fans' humor. Thank you.
Told the kids about the first time I heard "Do It Again" today and part of the recollection was that I had NEVER heard anything like it in my years of pop music worship. We then played the name that instrument game in the rest of the songs on Decade. I'm pleased that they know the words. Hell, I know most of the words to the Frank Sinatra songs my mom used to play.
There is hope.
Posted by: W1P, The BlueYa know, I love this place. Period. And hoops, I respect your opinion and reactions to listening to the records of Floyd. I feel the same way about EMG! Raj, can you imagine W1P doing KC with Paul sneeing the vocals and John ripping the Larry Carlton? It would be, what you call, a stone trip!
Posted by: ss, hk
I saw the Chain Lightning (in Your Eyes)
Posted by: hoops, Funny how this happens. I won an iTunes with my Diet Pepsi about an hour ago and then FACW posts this. You guessed it, I downloaded the new SW single, "So What the Fuss." Thanks for the heads up!
I've been waiting so long for the new Stevie Wonder. (Remember from here about March 2004 when I was grooving on "Innervisions" and that SW period?) So glad the album is coming out May 3.
Dylan has this violinist in his band who is so hot looking and playing. Was really a highlight, as if Bob performing wasn't enough. Brought back memories of Mindy Jostyn as well.
Posted by: FACW, SteveeDan: That ARP Pyrotechnics tale is my all-time favorite SD fable.
Speaking of that - the master of the ARP, Stevie Wonder is back with a neo-soul/semi hip-hop single. Pretty snappy.
Posted by: hoops, Yet another Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering March 24-April 8, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest:
ó Additions to df.com
ó TR Fan Forum Comments, etc on Kula Benefit
ó TR mentions DF in Interview
ó Re: TR/DF doesn't Look Good for Summer
ó Re: Best Guitar Solo Dept.
ó Steely Dan moment
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Posted by: hoops, FACW: Janis...awwww man, I only wish she got to perform with so many others...like Joe Cocker, Van Morrison... All I can think is that she can't sell perfume like Madonna can these days...and, of course, RS is to me that scented fashion mag that makes my mail box smell when it comes--occassionally it focusses on music. I hear ya.
THANKS MUCHOS, as always, DaddyG! Glad you caught the typo before it made it to the Dandom Digest. I have this problem of accidently hitting the B after I Apple-V or Ctrl-V for pasting.
I'll get back to the rest.
jim
Posted by: Oldie but Goodie, WFUV Archives
http://www.wfuv.org/, in the "Search the Audio Archives" box top right of the page, type steely dan, will lead to audio of interview with Pete Fornatale around EMG release date. Parker Posey vs Jill St John. Godwhacker written post 9/11. A few more interesting tidbits fun to re-recall.
heavy sigh.
Posted by: HeyMike, Cubs Opening DayI rented Festival Express the other day speaking of Janis. Pretty fun DVD with the Dead et al. You just want to reach out and hug her, knowing she'll be dead in a matter of months ..www.festivalexpress.com- also Ray Charles "genius loves company"-Hey Girl with Michael McDonald is pretty sweet and has been in my cd play for a while--
Cubs vs. Red Sox in Oct!
Posted by: FACW, http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5939214
Can anyone explain Madonna ahead of Janis Joplin without their head exploding?
Posted by: Daddy G., Throw out the hardware, let's do it right.Oh, and I meant to say "Thanks" for posting the links in the first place.... :-)
Posted by: Daddy G., Double helix in the sky tonight....Don't mean to be a knit-picker, Hoops, but that last link doesn't work unless you lose the b. Just for ease of copying-n-pasting the link, here's a corrected version....
The following has a discussion of possible SD-TR medleys like "Gangrene Earrings " and "Throw Back The Little Hitlers"
http://forum.TRConnection.com/viewthread.php?tid=4084
:-)
Posted by: hoops, Some links from Todd Rundgren equivalent of the Blue; these are mentioned in the next Dandom Digest. All of these mention and discuss Donald, as well as Steely Dan, Libby Titus, etc.
Discussion on Brevard Live interview with TR:
http://forum.TRConnection.com/viewthread.php?tid=4783
Actual Bevard Live Interview
http://www.brevardlive.com/pdf/BL_March05.pdf
More on last month's Hawaii benefit gig:
http://forum.TRConnection.com/viewthread.php?tid=4608
The following has a discussion of possible SD-TR medleys like "Gangrene Earrings " and "Throw Back The Little Hitlers"
http://forum.TRConnection.com/viewthread.php?tid=4084b
B well!
jim
Posted by: hoops, I don't think W1P needs defending at all. The loyalist of SD and PF fans...and most of all very caring of hsi friends hereócan't go wrong with that, just like I am a loyal SD, Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, etc fan.
But just expressing this gut feeling too...thought I would throw it out since I have been wrestling with it.
--
I DID see Bob Dylan this past Tuesday night and he was superb. I thought I had 9th row balcony seats and it turned out I had 9th row floor. So that was a treat! His band is like this old country and western band. Will write more later.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, Touche Hoops!
With all deference to Our Man Pink who is a big Steely Dan fan, a real fun person to be around, great sense of humor, nice raincoat, he's an upper that boy fer shur, he's almost as shameless a Pink promoter as some of us Dan freaks. What I'd really like to hear is W1P's band try a few Steely Dan numbers. One wonders...could they do it? Cause there's no way the Pink music is as challenging to play as the Dantunes. It's trip-rock and has this huge global appeal. I say our Dr. Wu and Pretzel Logic could cover some Pink while standing on their heads. [insert sound of rusty gauntlet dropping here]
Posted by: hoops, I feel like the only person in the world who's beginning dislike Pink Floyd not as a result of listening to their records.
Posted by: You Want Tough?!, just another brick in the wall.......W1P,
You want a tough town? July 4, 1977, Madison Square Garden New York City. Pink Floyd on stage. (Animals tour) 8:00pm show starts. 8:05 pm a pack of fire crackers is thrown from the audience almost decapitating Roger Waters. Band threatens to walk off stage. Now that's tough!!
Posted by: Which One's Fresno, The Central ValleyThe give out the SAG awards on daily basis in NYC? Man I knew awards season had proliferated out of control! ;-) You want tough towns? Carol Burnett in Fresno!
ZERO comment on the Cathy Berberian story? C'mon
Posted by: Rajah, Word-up Hoops and here's my last thought: Donald's letter tells us a lot about how strongly he feels about the larger subject at issue in Harbison's decision to table the Lolita project and just how the tenor and pulse of our present society in America 2005, our political dialogue, the hot-button issues of the month, can chase away an otherwise accomplished artist back down into his respective hidey-hole. My two cents is that each person who turns and runs takes us all one step closer to repression of thought, word and deed. And now you're under control and so you do what they taught ya.
Just what fuels your projections onto me, my vicious S.A.M. friend, is my politics, of course, which you've chosen to seize upon for your own reasons which I am not privy to nor do I care to ponder although it does place into sharp focus what someone like Harbison is up against. Have mercy, the hair-trigger.
In other hateful, biased and pathetically rambling news, NYC and LA are each extremely tough towns, each in their own way. NY is in your face, the dangers are obvious. LA presents the veneer of a tropical paradise but oh man, the dangers that lurk. Each is the perfect backdrop to a Steely Dan tune.
Posted by: hoops, Real-Life Self-Appointed and Financing ModeratorRegarding "King of The World" ("James Cameron's Anthem"?), the arp helps me to imagine the song as a episode of the "Twilight Zone." 50s TV show Apocalypseówith perhaps a flying saucer for some reason. I love Joe Jackson's take on "King of The World." Instead of the arp, he plays piano in a deconstructed, John Cage-like crazy old piano in a haunted house kinda way. I think it's the only cover of a Steely Dan song that rivals the original.
It would be a mistake for the Blue to become too focused on politics just as much it would be for it to exist in a political vacuum. To be sure, Steely Dan is rarely political in an overt way, yet their subversiveness often lends itself to supporting certain radical political vantages more than others, strictly by the very nature of subversiveness.
The idea behind the Blue was to be a little more focused, though not rigidly so, on music, especially that of Steely Dan, than some other forums. While I am pretty leftist or at least a radical centrist, I myself wasn't keen on getting into the tread S.A.M., Politico and others are engaged inóhey, I'll pass on a lot of the Pink Floyd discussion simply as a preference although I really respect that some of you find it buzz-worthy.
So the gist is this: 1) Steely Dan lends itself to certain leftist leanings in a subversive way; and 2) everyone loses if you push the politco stuff too much as it dissipates interest and focus. To some degree, I even end up "taking what I like and leaving the rest" here.
Posted by: Seth, NYCRight Wing Hooey,
That's an every day occurrence here in New York City...you don't know the meaning of "tough"!
Posted by: Right Wing Hooey, Troubadour next door to Tana'sSo, I'm at Dan Tana's at bar near the entrance waiting for my table. It's the night of the SAG awards. It's packed -- we're already 40 minutes past our reservation time. Nicolette Sheridan walks in holding her desperate SAG award (wags, don't go there) and asks if she can get a table. She's told in no uncertain terms "no way." She turns tail and walks out. 10 minutes later, the delayed SAGs are on the TV above the bar -- "and the winner is, Desperate Housewives!" Cut to Nicolette standing in glee to accept her award. To live in THIS town, you must be tough, tough, tough. A true story, I kid you not.
Posted by: self appointed moderator, KansasAsk Harbison--it was his call--you are the one insinuating politics in the issue based on your own bias and hatred. As I said--find another outlet for your pathetic rambling anger. It really doesn't have a place here.
Posted by: Rajah , L.A. Oh lord what a load you are...people like you have always scared the crap outta me. OK, I don't know why I'm trying but the connection is, quite simply, this: our politicians -of all stripes- seize upon issues like the Catholic Church atrocity, the Terry Schiavo circus, terrorism, stem-cell research, anything they can to play on our fears, our sense of outrage, to manipulate our minds and ultimately our votes. What you should be asking, dear poster, is what the fuck does the Church scandal have to do with presenting an operatic adaptation of Nabakov's Lolita?
Posted by: self appointed moderator, Kansas
"And yet, Harbison abandoned his project, apparently because of the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. "
What this has to do with Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, I'll never know.
Idiot?
Anger, hatred and name calling--nice!
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.http://www.donaldfagen.com/writing/harbison.html
Idiot.
Posted by: self appointed moderator, KansasDo we really need to have this mindless, whinny liberal dribble and hatred on here?
Aren't there plenty of other sites for that?
Posted by: Men + Machines, English BayDenny Dias told the story of Don hurling the Arp down the staircase ::
http://steelydan.com/dennys.html
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I am not awake, Steven, Frank put me in suspended anima...
Posted by: ss, hk
Well then.....it all makes sense. A story I hadn't heard. Thanks to Stevee and Frank.
By the way Frank, did you know you can be heard now on DVD-A, circa 1966 live from the Sands ? You and Count Basie's orchestra. Oh yeah, you sound good, better than I've ever heard you, in fact. And the band is laid back into last Christmas. I'm sure this was the way you were meant to be heard...complete with dessert-plate-tinkle in the background. Particularly liked you and the Count on One for My Baby.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Watching Rajah sleepHi Still Sparkin' --
I think Rajah has gone to sleep, so I would like to answer the question you had for him. The reason why Rajah said that the synthesiser in "King Of The World" is evil is because when they were recording that track back in the day, the monophonic Arp synthesiser (I think it was an Arp) that they were using kept drifting in pitch. So, when they would try to overdub using it multiple times it was always out of tune with either the other instruments on the track, or out of tune with itself in an overdub, or both.
So what happened is that DF took that keyboard and destroyed it by throwing it down a flight of stairs at the studio. It is now hanging in the office of (I forgot his name) one of the related to Steely Dan record executives in its smashed up condition.
This is a true story. Leave it to Rajah to conjure this up in the middle of a papal dissertation.
... And the Angels sing ...
Stevee(up the down staircase)Dan
Posted by: Frank Sinatra, at the bar at Dan Tana'sSparky-baby, I muzzled that very irksome Rajah character. He's a pineapple that guy with all his long-winded boolsheet. I've been listening to a lot of Steely Dan on the other side since I croaked, seems The Big Guy just loooves AJA. In fact, The Fallen Angels have a tribute band they've put together in the sub-basement so He and I like to go down there slumming on weekends and catch a set or two. I'm so glad we've discovered Steely Dan cause, chicky-baby, me singing "Pennies From Heaven" six nights a week was getting old, so thankgodd for small mercies.
King of the World is one of their scarier songs, the end of days and all, watching the sun go brown can really bring you down and I always thought how spooky and evil-sounding, ominous, apocalyptic even, the synth bridge is in that tune. Plus you know the old story Jim Hodder tells up here: Donald just couldn't get the mystery moog machine to achieve the desired sound but, undaunted, after many many many takes he finally got one he could live with. Directly after which, he proceeded to the nearest stairwell and chucked that mofo down the stairs, smashing it to smithereens. I'm informed a certain ABC Record executive later had it retrieved and mounted the largest remaining piece of the ill-fated psuedo-axe on his office wall.
So...evil is as evil does as Lucifer often chortles and that's what I think the ubiquitous Rajah meant by that crack. I dunno, I can't figure out half the shit he says...
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong KongAlright, I have to ask:
What is it about the synth part in King of the World that qualifies as evil ?
I like it....but my sense of humour is still firmly intact...so amuse me.
Posted by: Joey , " Ha ha. Well, seemed cute when I started writing thisóeven more so 25 years ago. Now I just kinda laugh at what I used to think. "
I would like to nuzzle you ..............
J. Fly ! ô
Posted by: Frank Sinatra, my bunkerHoops - I always thought KC was about the Holy Roman Empire, "did you realize, that they were Italian in their eyes," is what I figured cause the Holy Roman Emperors were French not Italian, the Merovigian and then the Valois houses and that indeed it was those "Dago" freaks who used to paint their face.
Posted by: hoops , DaddyG, others, thanks for the links.
Although the theme to "Bewitched" was composed a few years before D + W tenure at the Brill Building, somehow I can imagine that theme being composed in one practice room while next door, a certain duo composes "Soul Ram."
All this Pope business made me think I was on the wrong board. But it reminds me of my misinterpretation of a couple of Steely Dan songs. As a teen, I wasn't familiar with the slang "fez." Furthermore, I lived in a very Catholic neighborhood with a lot of Italian, Polish and Irish immigrants. Heck, I didn't know the difference between a mitre and a fezóI thought the Pope's "hat" was a fez. I thought "The Fez" was a slang for leadership in the Catholic Church!!!!!!
As a result, for years I thought "Kid Charlemagne" and "The Fez" were send-ups on the papacy and the Roman Catholic Church. I heard a line in "Kid C" as "All those Deigo freaks who used to pay The Fez" and thought it was about the kind of Italian immigrants in my neighborgood who were overly zealous Catholics donating lots of money to the Vatican. This was furthered by "The Fez" where they had the sarcastic line, "I want to be your holy man," and that "Don't make me do it without the fez on" was somehow about clergy thinking they were better-thans because of their status in the Church and the regalia they got to wear. So although I coudn't account for all the lyrics, I thought the songs were a pair of clever slams against the Catholic church, when of course they weren't. On the other hand, it wouldn't be too much a stretch for Steely Dan to write that kinda song, although I'm sure they wouldn't use a term like "Deigo" (Sorry, Raj and others).
Ha ha. Well, seemed cute when I started writing thisóeven more so 25 years ago. Now I just kinda laugh at what I used to think.
jim
Posted by: Sinatra, Frank A., Frederick FekkeiMy sentiments exactly.
Posted by: Joey , " .........the synth on "King of the World" "
Good Posting My Rajah !
Please feel free to take the rest of the day off !
Jacky ! ô
Posted by: PQ, RomeTalk about the church moving slowly...the church has never acknowledged that the Earth revolves around the sun. Why? Because the pope who tortured Galileo for saying it did "infallibly" declared that the sun revolves around the Earth, and in church canon an "Infallible" papal proclamation cannot be contradicted.
Posted by: Rajah, Money is the most powerful tool in the political shed and the only thing with enough Kriptonite to subdue Greenpower is public opinion. BTW, I'd wager Met patrons are mostly institutions or rich old farts. And I suppose the most tangled troika would be money, politics and the arts. But they have always gone together, ask Michelangelo. It's never just money or just politics or just about art. And no, no one is 100% evil, however:
99 and 44/100ths Percent Evil:
Karl Rove
Dick Cheney
The Eagles
wonderful Wendell machine
the synth on "King of the World"
the major moron who erased 2nd Arrangement
The guy who signed Foghat
Sinatra's wig-maker from the doo-bee-doo-bee-do era
My neighbor's dog, Ninja, who bit my pinky on Saturday
It's personal.
Posted by: FACW, LOL..radio and (not TV) the shorts shown at movie theaters...although FDR certtainly would have...
Posted by: FACW, Rajah: Douche is right: it's about the $, not politics. It does seem silly, but it's their $
Tipper Gore started labelling albums and TV
The Patriot Act is simply an extension of the Rico Act and surveillance to terrorists, requiring a court order each time. American citizens held should be charge though in a reasonable time or let go. Foreign legals and illegals can be held indefinitely as a POWs, questioned "rigorously" and brought before a tribunal...Frankly, the Geneva convention has little code for non-uniformed combatants not representing a country...don't get me started on our borders or fumbles in cleaning up terrorist nations and networks over the past 2 years...
Remember, FDR illegally siphoned $$ to support Britain from 1936 before the 1939 invasion of Poland to December 6, 1941, radio and TV became propaganda arms of the gov't. Americans were asked to directly contribute to the war effort, many people were interned. Not that I support all of this (especially internment of US citizens), and most Americans at the time were interested in some Pat Buchanan-like isolation and against intervention. Oh yeah, he actually Declared a War against Japan and Germany (who never directly attacked us). 30 Million died. Horrible. However without steps that most Americans today couldn't stomach, Steely Dan's Chain Lightning would rhyme in German.
Certainly the Catholic Church's moral stands move slower than glaciers. Certain non-biblical, archaic positions against marraige or female gender for priests appear anachronistic...but John Paul wrote a good bit of Vatican II, brought the church back to the lay, the epople (before Vatican II priests said mass in Latin with their back to the congregation, nuns were out of Blues Brothers) , was instrumental in freeing Eastern Europe from the USSR by aiding Lech Walesa knock down the first domino, made bold steps in strengthening ties with Jewish leaders, was always against war, capital punishment, visited the poor in South America and Africa. Remember, he was the first non-Italian pope. There's a chance that the next pope could be from Africa or South America - something not possible without Joun Paul II.
Catholics leave and go freely, or become "cafeteria-style" like myself. As John Paul became feeble he was not as assertive in cleaning up the American church of the lavender mafia as he would have 20 years before. Even FDR fumbled Malta. Individuals shape history. Whether any of us agree or disagree with someone 100%, John Paul II was a man who shaped history.
No one is 100% evil or good. Even Hitler loved his nephews and nieces; Nixon started the EPA.
Posted by: W1P, Del Mar where the turf meets the surfHello San Diego! Which One's Pink? and Led Zepagain have just been booked July 4th at the San Diego County Fair appearing on the "Coors Rock On Stage"!
Posted by: Rajah, Agreed but at the momment a very powerful minority has grasped upon our fears to scare the be-jeezus (no pun intended) out of the middle people, attempting to enact legislation which used to be called "xmas tree legislation" where they hang all sorts of pork barrel crap as
well as "values issues" which are only valuable to them on there and because our Supreme Court has determined that the line-item veto is unconstitutional, they are attempting to get away with murder. Have you read the Patriot Act? Some of that shit is scary.
Rep.Sensenbrenner (R-WI) would like to put Janet Jackson away behind bars. The middle ain't drivin the bus here no mo.
Posted by: Politico, Caucus HallMost Americans are in the political center and have been since time immemorian. Every poll known to man shows this beyond question.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.X is all over this. Why should we care that small and fearful minds are spearheading the censorship of America's creative elements? Here's my short answer and then I'll go back to pooping all over Foghat and pretending to be Sinatra: America is a relatively new place, whenever you go anywhere else in the world, it's what always strikes me first. The streets, the buildings, the shops, certainly the churches, theaters and museums, these places have been around for a long-ass time, a reflection of the ancient cultures who inhabit them still. America doesn't have this kind of culture, it's taken millennia for the Italy or France that we see to become what they are, we've only been around a short time but we do have something the Old World never had until we showed them: real freedom, freedom of religion, of speech, the right to congregate, all that stuff written on parchment in tiny script hanging in public buildings. The freedom I'm talking about is a far cry from the "freedom" mantra used by those small and twisted minds inhabiting our halls of Congress. What they want is some crazy misguided retrenchment of our freedoms, in order to control us, in order to foist their own ideals - and that means products too (poptarts, cigarettes, Britney, disaster flicks to name a few) upon us. Bending our minds, well, shutting off whole parts of our minds, and opening our wallets in their direction. These folks do not have the sense or sensitivity to understand why Nabakov's Lolita should not be on the same shelf with Hustler Magazine. It's all smut and they don't wanna hear it. The religious right and the politicians who exploit their fears and inadequacies do not want to come to grips with the dark realities of human existence, the terrible and twisted things that people do and have done and will continue to do until the last iota of recorded time. Learning about and pondering those things tend to make a person more discerning, more understanding, less tolerant of facile approaches to societal problems. And that inability to discern, to understand, to tolerate others' experience and reality adversely affects our creative people in every discipline of our endeavor, even science as witnessed by the outcry that the idea of stem-cell research raises. It's not just Pop Music it affects. If America is ever to develop a true culture of their own, it will develop out of that freedom of thought and speech that holds the mirror up to the dark side, shows it for the undeniable component part of society and individuals that it is.
Posted by: Daddy G., Have Dan, will travelIt occurred to me right after posting that I was just assuming that D&W were not already represented in the National Recording Registry. Turns out it was, as I suspected, a safe assumption, but it did spur me to check into the full list.
Apparently the current crop of 50 recordings is the "2004 list" and can be found on the L of C website here:
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2005/05-087.html
From there you can click on over to the National Recording Preservation Board website where apparently anyone can nominate recordings for their list (should we flood them with SD nominations? :-)...
http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/nrpb/
...and you can also view the latest crop as well as the full prior list of 100:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/nrpb/nrpb-2004reg.html
http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/nrpb/nrpb-masterlist.html
Posted by: Samantha, Brill BuildingCheck this out........
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7361051/
Posted by: Daddy G., Well, I've been around the world....I heard this news item yesterday on the radio. Here's the blurb from today's local paper....
______________________________________________________________________
Astronaut Neil Armstrong's first words from the moon, speeches by President Woodrow Wilson and Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and songs by Al Jolson, Muddy Waters and Nirvana are among 50 recordings being set aside for special preservation in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry, the Associated Press reports.
Also included are Victor Herbert's "Gypsy Love Song" of 1898, and Glenn Miller's "In the Mood" from 1939. Performances must be 10 years old to qualify. This is the third group of recordings to be added to the registry. >>>>The library also announced the discovery of a previously unknown recording by jazz masters Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane.<<<< ]
______________________________________________________________________
I doubt there'll be any long lost D&W recordings that materialize in the future, but I wonder if the L of C will ever deem any SD recordings to be special-preservation-worthy....
Posted by: hoops, Hey kids;
In case it matters, the hosting service for dandom.com will need to take the server (including the Bluebook) down for anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour (depending on how things go.) This will likely happen sometime this afternoon (NYC, Chicago time).
Be well.
jim
Posted by: X, herehttp://nobelprize.org/literature/laureates/1976/bellow-bio.html
And so Saul Bellow passed away yesterday. Kind of related, perhaps, in a way to what Rajah's talking about in reference to DF's letter. Theater, art, literature. A lot did change in the society as we know it, whether in the USA or elsewhere, in Europe, Asia... China is of major interest, haven't seen as many documentaries and news items about this country as in these past couple of months. Anyway, the Russian classical composers, like Prokofiev and Shostakovich or Aram Katchaturian working and suffering under the Stalin regime, saw a documentary on that yesterday and it has never really dawned on me how these artists/composers and colleagues/friends must have felt like in their time and age. I know Serge Rachmaninoff went to the USA and managed to work under better circumstances than most others.
Maybe nowadays we feel comfortable, surrounded by things we know are 'established' and providing safe secure impulses. No need to 'fight' or 'rebel' against, if even so an interpretation from a book, a novel... I read that Lolita was a 'comic' novel, i never considered it to be comic, but it sure was depending on the reader's point of view, the eye of the beholder prerogative. The movie starring James Mason if i recall right, was not real comic at first glance, but indeed portraying a pathetic man yes caught up in a compulsive obsessive infatuation. And on fleemarkets i often found the book in a box full of cheap liTTerature, not a single page turned, leading to think that people had bought it because they expected to read 'dirty' stuff or at least see a spicy picture or two. It was an estranging experience to find literature that way, while aware there were so many Lolita's out there now, turning off the elder men because of their annoying videoclips and shallow presentation and music. So in a way it's weird what censorship is administered in the name of art, while a lot of rubbish floats about so freely.
But it would explain this whole idea of the Church and its firm belief about certain values. Now the pope died, a lot of discussions about ethics and reality, humanity and religion come alive again, wondering if the next pope will be different.
Many of the Steely Dan lyrics deal with stuff that were or are part of our society as we know it, or wouldn't dare to be a witness of, let alone know someone who is like Cousin Dupree, or even confess to... Human nature in all its dark and fascinating features, moments in time at a given age, things we recognize and things perhaps DF misses the most, from his perspective.
Ok.
Posted by: W1P, Los AngelesOK, I've found a great Steely Dan/Pink Floyd link in Nick Mason's new book "Inside Out" Nick, talking about the making of The Dark Side of the Moon, says:
"'Great Gig' was a piece of Rick's, with the vocal section soaring over the top. There were a number of suggestions about who to use: mine was the avant-garde mezzo-soprano Cathy Berberian (who I was listening to lot at the time) but she might have been a bit radical even for us."
A few pages later is a photograph of Venetta Fields and Carlena Williams with a caption mentioning Venetta's work with Steely Dan.
Posted by: Rajah, Then he should find another forum. There are plenty of houses where an edgy piece of work could be mounted for a guy with Harbison's notoriety. Maybe all this kow-towing to the well-healed patrons of the arts is what's rendered new opera, symphony, and ballet bland and boring at best and moribound at worst. I also know the NEA (National Endwment for the Arts) under this administration is from hell in that they'll turn their back on any performing arts group with an avaunt-garde approach. It is killing creativity in this country.
Posted by: Douche, Opera HousePatrons of the Met donate 10 grand in a phone call. Some probably donate 100 grand in a phone call. Unless Don kicks in a 100Gs for Lolita, and gets 20 more people to do so, it might not be the best strategy. The institution depends on them way more than ticket sales.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.At some point you either believe in something or not. Maybe Lolita wasn't worth it, you do have to pick your battles, this much is true. Harbison is a Pulitzer Prize composer with a CV as long as my couch, Harvard, MIT, composer-in-residence for major symphony houses, a darling of The Met. If anyone was in a position to color outside the lines, stretch the old-boy network comfort zones, it was him.
We've regressed in recent years is my point, there's a misguided element of this society of ours that wants to see the return of the repression of the 50s and not enough people standing up to them.
Posted by: Douche of Music, Breezin'Seriously, if DF - or anybody, for that matter - wants to tell classical musicians to buck their patrons, they can always step up and bankroll the projects themselves.
Posted by: Humbert Humbert, And I thought I was a douche bag.
Posted by: Music Douche, ConservatoryThen we could just have DF pay his mortgage, his kids' college tuition, etc., while he performs Lolita to his heart's content.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.And counterbalancing that is being true to your vision. Especially your vision of yourself in the mirror. In the case of Nabakov's masterwork, it also shows a misconception of the intent of the novel, or what might be worse, determining that its cautionary theme is overridden by its prurient subject matter, seeing it as something obscene rather than tragic. If the composer can't sell that view to his Patrons, well, he needs some new Patrons. I have to agree with DF, man has no nutsack.
Posted by: Music Douche, Summer's EveClassical musicians have patrons, unlike pop stars. Hence backlash. Can't bit e the hand that feeds.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Donald's unpublished letter to the NY Times is just what you'd expect from him. The thought that people in this country are afraid to express themselves is probably the most frightening thing to come out of this Bush/9-11/Neocon era. A classical composer backing off from "Lolita" cause he's afraid of the backlash? What backlash? There are fewer opera fans than...Steely Dan fans forgoodnessake. Like four or something. OK, maybe more. Pitiful, really sad, especially considering the subject matter of the classic grand opera, jam-packed as it is with stories of humans in commission of every deadly sin and atrocity imaginable and then some. Kinda like the Old Testament.
Then I'm reading about this absolute maniac Congressman from Wisconsin, Sensenbrenner, who wants to enforce decency standards on the airwaves with the threat of criminal prosecution. If it were up to Sensenbrenner and the very scary religious right, Donald and Walter would be taking the Wolverine up to Ossining for 10 to 20 considering what's covered in those nine Steely Dan records.
Posted by: edb, @the countycourthouseGood Morning.
More Rural Narrative news
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/05/cousins.marriage.ap/index.html
ed
Posted by: W1P, LADo It Again -- in the club scene in the Mork and Mindy movie! And then a guy who's a dead ringer for Springsteen coming out of the bathroom rubbing his nose!!!
Posted by: W1P, LARaj, for contractual and liability reasons, we cannot bring female performers to Paladino's unless they are in a Lita Ford tribute band. Funny, SOhO in Santa Barbara insisted we bring the girls and agreed to pay them aside from what they pay the rest of the band. Oh, and at Vault 350 on 4/16, we're gonna have Marvette sitting in for Natalie. Marvette has been in the Lion King touring company for the past 4 years.
Bay Area Dan fans: Please join AjaVu at the The Kings Head Pub in Campbell - this Saturday Night starting at 9:30pm. Come earlier and enjoy another KFOX finalist MidLife Crisis at 4pm, have dinner and then stay late for more good music and dancing with AjaVu!
WHERE: The Kings Head Pub & Restaurant Click, 201 Orchard City Drive
Campbell, CA 95008, For more information call (408) 871-2499
WHEN: Saturday Night - April 9th - AjaVu's show starts at 9:30PM - benefit festivities begin at 4pm
COVER - NO COVER CHARGE
For more information and to learn about up-coming shows - please visit us at www.ajavu.com
Posted by: Daddy G., Little things might matter later...A new "writing" at df.com....
On John Harbison's "Lolita"-inspired "Darkbloom"
http://www.donaldfagen.com/writing.html
It's an unpublished letter to the NY Times.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A. Pinkish - Love the band, Have a Cigar is the runaway fave hands down, your men give great value for my entertainment dollar. But can W1'sPink make my whites white and my colors bright? And where were the Ladies Back-Up last time BTW? Oh, forgot, it was Paladino's, they love them pretty girls in there, don't they? Those womens' voices at the Coach House were awesome.
Posted by: W1P, LASorry Josey, duty called. Amused to Death is the finest solo album by any member of Pink Floyd -- including Syd Barrett. Watching TV is one of the best tracks on the album. I also enjoy the trilogy of What God Wants.
Posted by: hoops, I am! I had a Steely Dan moment yesterday morning.
I was listening to NPR's "Weekend Edition Sunday" and I always engage when the "Puzzlemaster"/Will Shortz feature comes on, shouting out answers, seeing if I can get them before the on-air contestant can. Yesterday's puzzle was given a word, name the follow-up word which will have "ar" in it. So at one point, Shortz says, "pearl." The contestant nor the show host couldn't get it right away...so I keep answering, "Pearl of the Quarter!!!" Finally, they gave the answers as "Pearl Harbor" or "pearl earring." Then it occurred to me, because of cultural differences, :-) , we Steely Dan fans might have different answers for this sort of thing!
Anyhooo, it seemed cute at the time.
Yesterday, I managed to pick up the April 2005 "Sound + Vision" Ed first mentioned, the one with the brief but informative blurb from Walter Becker on surround editions of classic SD.
Happy Monday.
jim
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandIs there anybody out there?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandW1P - I have Waters' "Amused To Death" - and that's it in my collection as far as his stuff goes. Most of it I like fairly well. Love Beck's guitar stuff on "What God Wants"! There's one tune on there called "Watching TV" (methinks) and I was wondering what you thought of that tune. It's my favorite tune on the cd - not really sure why other than I just like it for some reason.
As for the argument about Floyd with Waters vs. without: I love'em both! The only time I ever saw Floyd was the Division Bell tour, and it was the best concert I've ever seen! As far as light show, sound quality, and listening to songs I truly enjoy - that one was it! Wish I could've seen them with Waters. David Gilmour has always had one of my all time favorite guitar sounds.
Posted by: W1P, LA not IstanbulYeah, Roger Waters is not what you call a "hats and horns" kind of guy. On the other hand, Have A Cigar is a very funny tune including the guitar "laugh" after the line "oh by the way, which one's pink?" The post-Roger albums -- Momentary Lapse of Reason and The "Dinner" Bell -- are good and that's about it. Of course, their release caused a schism in the Pink Floyd world. Some people side with Roger because Dave "sold out" with watered down (no pun intended) Pink Floyd Lite stealing Roger's "children" (his songs). Others side with Dave saying any Pink Floyd is better than none at all and that Roger, for all his brilliance, was not responsible for the way Floyd's music sounded (and Roger's solo stuff certainly bears that out).
I think The Division Bell is better than Momentary -- Keep Talking, What Do You Want From Me and High Hopes are quality tracks. But these two records in no way shape or form approach the quality of the "big 4" -- Dark Side, WYWH, Animals and The Wall. Sorta like EMG ain't no Royal Scam ;-)
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandPQ - if you want to hear some of the absolute sickest Vinnie shit you can hear with upright bass, get Chick Corea's Akoustic Band - Live in Japan! I've probably mentioned that one on this site before, but just in case. Corea, Vinnie, and Patitucci. And it is pure burnin from start to finish! Audiophileimports.com always seems to have it.
Posted by: PQ, NYCThat's interesting Chrysler. I believe there were 4 Steely Dan players on Starfish & The Moon - Carolyn Leonhart (kicks major ass on the first cut, Something In The Rose); Adam Rogers; Jon Herington; and Vinnie Coliatua.
This, and another Evans album, Touch, is Vinnie C's best recorded work. Paired with an acoustic bass he is killer!!
The archives in the Institute For Jazz Studies notes that on this album Evans starts to approach Coltrane level on the soprano sax.
I'm telling you, on John Legend's CD, listen to 7-10 three or four times in a row.
Posted by: hoops, Well, last night I DID break out my LP copies of "The Wall," "Wish You Were Here," "The 'Dinner' Bell," "Animals" and "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" (and "Radio KAOS") and I remembered why I lost interest in Pink Floyd and just keep increasing my interest in Steely Dan and, back in the 80s became interested in Van Morrison, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell. Pink Floyd is amazingly talented, occassionally funny. I know some of them studied Architecture and it shows in their personality traits (ie a little too serious among other things); but they need to loosen up a bit and have more humor too. Ditto for Supertramp, ELP and Alan Parsons, all of whom I was into at the time. All a little too "Spinal Tap." It reminded me why I started a Steely Dan fan Digest and not on these other bands which I used to be so very much into. At the same time I really respect these guys' (PF, etc) talentsóand also gotta hand it to anybody who can cover their parts and riffs, just as I do those who do the same for SD.
Speaking of Spinal Tap, many of you know that Walter wrote the liner notes to their second album 12-13 years ago.
When I got the PF albums out, I also found the 1977 and 1980 reviews of Aja and Gaucho I wrote for the School newspaper. Glowing, but he content was absurd ("...'Gaucho' is a more acoustic album than 'Aja'...") Funny!
Seeing Dylan on Tuesday. New Van Morrison album coming soon! And Joni and Our Heroes have a tasteful mutual admiration. All we need is new DF, Dan or how about new WB?
Be well.
jim
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandChrysler - The Division Bell is one of my faves as far as the Floyd goes. Track number 3 and 10 are outstanding in my worthless opinion! And the title track is great. The whole thing's really good.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Yeah, Angel, I think the regulars were given pause a bit at first but the setlist forstalled any uneasiness, it was the text-book Steely Dan guitar hits, just what the crowd wanted and that was definitely the way to go at a BB King thing. It was hectic up there, what's a rushed 3-Act night without some technical drama? Nice composure. Thank you as ever to Myron Florne and the Spetzel-Pretzel Per-Logic Bandisti.
But my fried chicken was a letdown, the menu is strictly Airport.
Thanggod for pickle chips.
Posted by: Chrysler, PAPQ: OK, I'll check out THE ALTERNATIVE MAN on your say-so, just hope it's a LOT better than STARFISH AND THE MOON, the only Bill Evans album I've heard, and which I don't think that much of-- was that Evan's attempt to jump on the smooth jazz bandwagon? It's pretty dull stuff, although with great production and playing. But for me, if the tunes don't make it, the record don't make it.
I just might go ahead and pick up the Legend CD too, but if it's better than SD, I'll sh*t my pants!
Paul: I just bought THE DIVISION BELL used and on sale, never having heard it before. Haven't listened to it yet. What am I in for listening-wise, if I'm only familiar with DSotM and WYWH? Roger Waters isn't on it, right?
Posted by: SteveeDan, B.B. King's AftermathAngel - Thank you for your kind words. It was an extremely pleasant surprise to see you and "Mister Angel" tonight. I just wish that I could have spent more time chatting with you. Please convey my appreciation to Mr. Angel for me.
And Rajah and Gretchen - thank you both for coming. I knew you would be there obviously, but, I still have to let you know that I am always grateful. Raj you gave a great band introduction as usual.
This gig was a controlled pandamonium, break neck pace gig. We rushed like mad to get on stage and set up, and rushed just as fast to get off the stage for the band which followed us. But the time we played our set was tons of fun, and that's the way it should be.
Alright. Time for sleep. Got Tee ball with the kid in the morning !
Stevee(put me in coach !)Dan
Posted by: angel, Well, I don't know if the crowd at BB King's knew quite what to expect, but the place was definitely set on Fire! The club reminded me so much of Le Bar Bat, especially since I was hanging off the rail up on the 3rd level.
I had a wonderful time, short but packed with great music. Thanks Steve.
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netI lied, one more post before I go...
I Just undusted "Band on the Run" after not touching it for almost a year. What a crazy album. I quote Paul McCartney from shortly before the album was released: "Words don't have to make sense."
Bye, for real this time.
Posted by: hoops, All this Pink Floyd talk reminds me of my days when I was so hugely into them (about 20 years ago). These days, I only have "Dark Side of the Moon" on CD (reminds me of the first time I got high) and several others on LP.
The way Pink Floyd is discussed here, reminds me of how Steely Dan was always discussed by a subset of us at rec.music.gdead, eventually begatting steeldan@uic.eduówhat is today's Dandom Digest.
Be well my friends and have a great vacation, Paul.
jim
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netI'm escaping into oblivion (vacation) until the 12th. I won't be on the forum. Bye y'all.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Staring through the "Window Pane" BlotterHi Guys --
Yes it's true, it took me and Southy a long time to find my car, but I was NOT on Acid (Window pane, Mr. Natural, etc.).
That was the problem.
Angel, that's right. I totally forgot about that. Funny.
Oh yeah, and Paul, I forgot to add two key words to my "advice" post to you ...
"or not".
Tonight's secret gig word is:
~ TROUBLE ~
Stevee(psycho ... delicatessen)Dan
Posted by: W1P, LA ---> Santa Barbara 4/9Drew is right on the money -- the Gilmour self-titled solo LP is the best of the two (though the song "Murder" on About Face is, pun intended, killer).
And Drew, since you're in SLO, you should consider taking a trip down to SB on 4/9 to catch Which One's Pink? at SOhO, 1221 State Street. The last time we were there, Alan Parsons showed up, stayed for the entire 2 1/2 show, agreed to give (and later gave) a videotaped testimonial on how good W1P is, and inquired about the possibility of mixing our live show the next time we play The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety (he wont be there on 4/9 because he's in Europe working on a film score).
Posted by: Viva, La Bam!What I've been doing is reading everyone's posts, writing down artists, albums or songs that sound interesting, and downloading them.
And I'm also considering pirating Sirius, who, from the looks of it may already be making too much money.
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoPaul,
As a big Pink Floyd fan I would highly recommend David Gilmour's first self-titled solo album from 1978. His second album "About Face" is good but I prefer the first.
Posted by: angel, Gee South, the last time I was with Steveedan at Universal it took him 30 minutes to find..............South of Hollywood! :-)
Great to actually see that XM Radio List. Hubby hears it at work and he is always coming home telling me what deep Steely Dan cuts he catches on some of the channels. I believe "Lunch with Gina" aired the other day.
Posted by: Pam, I amWhat I've been doing is reading everyone's posts, writing down artists, albums or songs that sound interesting, and downloading them (via legal channels, of course). I give them a listen, and then buy the CDs of what I like. I've somehow wandered over into Glenn Miller & Ella Fitzgerald and am having a GREAT time :)
Posted by: Paul, paulygon.netI've been seriously considering satellite radio (pun intended), and even though the receivers are pretty cheap now, the $10/month seems to be a roadblock for me. In the grand scheme of things, what do I spend on food each day? Probably around $10. So if I skip lunch 2 days out of a month, I can get satellite radio :) But I also made the mistake of buying an aftermarket CD player that isn't XM ready... so I'll have to wire up the radio through the auxilary inputs (kind of annoying), or buy a new CD player.
And since you offered, are David Gilmour's solo albums any good? Would a person whose favorite Pink Floyd albums are Wish You Were Here and Division Bell like them? (because I'm NOT into The Wall by any means).
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, The Bullwinkle Lot???FYI...
The last time I was at Universal Citywalk with SteveeDan, it took him 90 minutes to find the damn car...
DO NOT take parking advice from this man...
SOH
Posted by: Sirius , Everywhere all the timeThough Foghat and Steely Dan are conspicuous by their absence, here's some of the channels available on Sirius
14 | CLASSIC VINYL ñ EARLY CLASSIC ROCK: The top tracks from classic rock's most formative years. ARTISTS INCLUDE: The Beatles, The Doors, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin
15 | CLASSIC REWIND - LATER CLASSIC ROCK: Classic rock's 2nd generation, with songs from the late '70s onward. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Police , Aerosmith , Journey , The Cars , Boston
16 | THE VAULT - DEEPER CLASSIC ROCK Deeper cuts from classic rock legends. ARTISTS INCLUDE:
Jethro Tull , Pink Floyd , Genesis , Allman Brothers , Frank Zappa
17 | JAM_ON - JAM BANDS - Improvisational, eclectic rock music from today's best jam bands. ARTISTS INCLUDE: The Grateful Dead , Phish , The String Cheese Incident , Widespread Panic
18 | THE SPECTRUM - ADULT ALBUM ROCK - 40 years of world-class rock from adult album alternative artists. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Talking Heads , REM , Sheryl Crow , Tom Petty , Rolling Stones
19 | BUZZSAW - CLASSIC HARD ROCK - Hard, heavy, stadium-shaking classic rock. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Led Zeppelin , Black Sabbath , Van Halen , Scorpions , Aerosmith
20 | OCTANE - PURE HARD ROCK - Pure, high-powered hard rock that's loud, uncensored and in your face. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Linkin Park , Crossfade , Godsmack , Metallica , Nickelback
21 | ALT NATION - ALTERNATIVE ROCK - The latest alternative rock releases and the best alt-rock of the '90s. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Nirvana , The Killers , Red Hot Chili Peppers , Incubus , Green Day
22 | FIRST WAVE - CLASSIC ALTERNATIVE - Alternative rock's pioneering artists and sounds. ARTISTS INCLUDE: The Cure , Elvis Costello , Depeche Mode , The Pretenders , The Smiths
23 | HAIR NATION - 80S HAIR BANDS - Vintage rock from the big hair '80s. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Bon Jovi , Def Leppard , Poison , Motley Crue , Warrant
24 | SIRIUS DISORDER - ECLECTIC/FREE FORM ñ Adventurous music for grownups, from a diversity of styles and eras. ARTISTS INCLUDE: James Brown , Lou Reed , Tom Waits , Miles Davis , Bob Dylan
25 | UNDERGROUND GARAGE - GARAGE ROCK - The coolest rock 'n' roll records. Channel produced by Little Steven. ARTISTS INCLUDE: The Ramones , The White Stripes , MC5 , Electric Prunes
26 | LEFT OF CENTER ñ NEW/COLLEGE/INDIE ROCK ñ The best in college, indie, alternative and underground rock. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Modest Mouse , Pixies , Franz Ferdinand , The Shins , Radiohead
27 | HARD ATTACK - HEAVY METAL - The heaviest metal on or off the planet, from the ones that created it, all the way to the ones that are perfecting it today. ARTISTS INCLUDE:
Pantera , Slayer , Slipknot , Sepultura , Black Sabbath
28 | FACTION ñ PUNK, HIP-HOP, HARD ROCK MIX ñ Rock, punk, hip-hop and more, especially for action sports fans. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Snoop Dogg , System of a Down , NOFX , Bad Religon , Sublime
29 | SIRIUS BLUES - BLUES ñ The many shades of authentic blues music, past and present.
ARTISTS INCLUDE: Muddy Waters , Eric Clapton , Dr. John , Buddy Guy , Freddie King
30 | REGGAE RHYTHMS - REGGAE ñ Reggae music from its '60s roots to today's exciting sounds. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Bob Marley , UB40 , Third World , Shaggy , Dennis Brown
35 | THE ROADHOUSE ñ CLASSIC COUNTRY - Classic country songs from legendary country artists. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Johnny Cash , Willie Nelson , George Jones , Merle Haggard , Dolly Parton
36 | OUTLAW COUNTRY ñ OUTLAW COUNTRY ñ Renegades, Rebels, Rabble Rousers and Rogues. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Waylon Jennings , Emmylou Harris , Dale Watson , Merle Haggard , Bob Dylan
37 | BLUEGRASS ñ BLUEGRASS ñ Handmade, heartfelt bluegrass music. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Rhonda Vincent , Del McCoury Band , Larry Cordle & Lonesome Standard Time , Bill Monroe , Flatt & Scruggs
38 | FOLK TOWN ñ FOLK/SINGER-SONGWRITERS ñ A mix of contemporary and traditional folk music. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Tracy Chapman , Shawn Colvin , Suzanne Vega , Simon & Garfunkel , Woody Guthrie
70 | PLANET JAZZ - CONTEMPORARY JAZZ ñ Modern Jazz and Fusion ARTISTS INCLUDE: Pat Metheny , Miles Davis , Medeski , Martin & Wood , Herbie Hancock
71 | JAZZ CAFŠ ñ SMOOTH JAZZ ñ A sophisticated soundtrack of smooth jazz instrumentals and vocals. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Kenny G , Grover Washington Jr. , Al Jarreau , Bob James , David Sanborn
72 | PURE JAZZ ñ CLASSIC JAZZ ñ The classic sounds and styles of jazz masters, past and present. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Count Basie , Dave Brubeck , Miles Davis , John Coltrane , Duke Ellington
73 | SWING STREET ñ SWING ñ The joint is jumpin' with swingin' sounds of big bands from the '30s, '40s and '50s. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Glenn Miller , Benny Goodman , Tommy Dorsey , Count Basie
75 | STANDARD TIME - STANDARDS - Timeless standards from your favorite crooners and cabaret singers. ARTISTS INCLUDE: Bobby Darin , Ray Charles , Louis Armstrong , Johnny Mathis , Frank Sinatra
Posted by: W1P, Sirius Satelite RadioFor example, I can tell you a ton about Pink Floyd.
Another option is to invest in satelite radio -- I have Sirius and I love it (that and the Alan Parsons track too!).
Posted by: SteveeDan, Paul -
I suggest that you find someone who has a great CD or album collection who lives near you. It may take some doing, but it's worth the effort. If you end up striking up a good friendship, rather only having the single option of going out and buying this CD or that CD, you can listen to a vast array of music at your "friend's" house. Since he (well, could be a "she", but let's stay with "he" for this assumption ...) is very familiar with the music that he is playing for you, he can point out specific things about the music, or tell you whom has played with whom, or what happened at a live show, or many other aspects that you might not pick up on by simply buying a CD and sitting at home and listening to it.
This is how I got exposed to a lot of different music in a relatively short period of time in my teens and 20's.
Also, if you are curious about a specific CD or artist/band, come on here and ask us about it. Many of us probably know a lot about some of the CDs you might ask about. Then there are the stories about that CD or artist, etc., etc.
Your thirst for music knowledge is inspiring. Have a great evening.
I'll catch up with current events on the Blue after I've slept off tomorrow night's gig. We're gearing up for it big time.
SteveeDan
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