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Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 21:51:06 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo


Just got back from Sarawak (about 3 hours drive away from my place in Brunei, but still in North Borneo)....stayed at the only Marriott in Borneo (Marriott took over my favourite hotel last month) - still having teething troubles. Saturday morning the pool bar staff were playing some gruesome local rock, cunningly disguised as a dying chicken. My friends and I did a bit of cringing till I couldn't stand it any more. The clientele around the pool were all middle aged westerners (oil people), so I ventured towards the bar with my SD compilation CD and asked if they would play it quietly, so as not to offend anyone. Well, the staff like it so much, they turned up the volume. Picture the scene....floating across the pool ... South China Sea lapping on the shore .... hot sun in the sky...Donald's dulcit tones on "Do it again" wafting through the air....does it get any better???????

Ph: Understand where your coming from...but given the chance I would pay homage to the birthplace of my heroes!!! Obsession??? Maybe!!! Now I understand why my off-spring scathingly refers to me as "the teenager"!!

Nice slide show Jim!!


Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 21:31:15 ET
Posted by: hoops,

The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering July 15-31, 2005.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.

The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest

ˇ ICE Report: Walter Becker Resurfaces on New Album
ˇ Steely video clip filler
ˇ Cinci Danfest 2005 Retro: Special Thanks to The Johnson Family
ˇ EMG Essay Contest/Review Voting Results!
ˇ - WINNER--ENTRY 1: EMG: Two years later by "Girl Margaret"
ˇ - WINNER--ENTRY 4: EMG by David Di G. aka "Rajah"

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Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 21:22:01 ET
Posted by: medic'l sci,

Dude, like that's gotta be the most non-informational post since that guy's review of 's show........

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 21:14:25 ET
Posted by: dude, ...........................

let's just say, dude, it ain't about tours of joisey 'burbs, or restraining orders or too much about Corp either

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 20:14:21 ET
Posted by: Medic'l Sci.,

So dude in pandemonium, since you think we all have no clue, why don't you clue us in on what the band and the scene were really about before Don F. went Corp.......whatever you mean by that, if you might explain....

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 19:36:52 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Have to catch up on the past couple of days, restraining orders and all.

FIFE! Thanks for the heads up on IGY on the Simpsons!

Here's a few casual/informal/impromtu shots amongst friends from the Cincy Danfest. Find the Dandom Gitterati! ;-)


Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 16:12:32 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

Fox is repeating the Simpson episode tonight that has IGY, the premise being that Lisa and Bart have a look at their future just before graduating from high school. Also at 8pm Mike McDonald on Emeril Live on the Food Network.
You know when your watching too much reality programming when:
You have a really weird dream that Walt and Don are running a music camp, where Walt states he wants a 340lb. brunnette woman to make love to and Donald gives you a printed profile of yourself but you have to chase him down because he's spelled your name wrong! Donald there's 2 n's in my name!!
I haven't a tv obssesion!!

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 15:40:14 ET
Posted by: angel,

pH: Hard to be an obsession, when I was on vacation sweltering at my own childhood home in Hicksville. When will those people get air conditioning and join the 21st Century? lol

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 15:35:40 ET
Posted by: dude, pandemonium

why bring up restraining orders--you a cop? Ever consider the fact that restraining orders might be completely unconstitutional if not fascist? you people really have no clue what this band and scene was really about, before Don F. went Corp....

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 14:01:46 ET
Posted by: t,

How long does a restraining order last anyway?

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 13:58:48 ET
Posted by: tones,

I think it's really interesting to see how far they come to get to where they are now, and of course to see the environmental influences, albeit some decades later. Much in the same way with pictures of Dylan's home in Hibbing, Minnesota, or the Lennon and McCartney homes in Liverpool. Even reminds me of me home I grew up in in the midwest somewhat, though apparently they had much better environmental influences that I did...

Besides. "obsession" is knocking on the door and asking to sleep in the same bed Donald slept in.

Don't try it. Doesn't work.

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 13:58:23 ET
Posted by: geena, in medias res

Scene: Geena, yr Hostest with da Mostest on the Bus, touring Steely Dan New York Historical Sites--

"Next on the agenda, folks, it's the orphanage where Dupree Jones, Walt's first decent china white connection, grew up until he blossomed into a top notch dealer and pimp......"

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 11:58:21 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Consider yourself corrected.

Date: Sun, July 31, 2005, 10:56:35 ET
Posted by: ph,

I don't mean to insult anyone and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Mizar5 article about the 'birth of Dan' homesteads borderline obsession.....??

Keep it real, or whatever.

Date: Sat, July 30, 2005, 13:01:28 ET
Posted by: Gina, Hicksville Mountain

Last week, Nigey Lennon and Eric Weaver met with Angel in Hicksville, NY.
They went to the exact places where it all began for Steely Dan: the parental houses of Denny Dias and Keith Thomas...

If you click the link above, you can read more about this genuine Steely Dan Historical (not so trivia?) Tour! Enjoy...

Date: Sat, July 30, 2005, 10:10:52 ET
Posted by: Chrys, Fort Duquesne

An album is an album is an album, be it vinyl LP, 8-track, cassette, CD, mp3, DVD-A, what have you.

The word "album" simply means a collection of like articles gathered and placed into some kind of medium; in this case, a collection of music pieces/tunes/songs.

Date: Sat, July 30, 2005, 00:24:45 ET
Posted by: Ann, Sarawak

Jim....just picked up your post as I'm on hols for a few days. I echo 100% the words of Bassicinstinct. My best regards to your friend, hope she's better soon.


Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 21:19:22 ET
Posted by: maqueroo, 818

dat's raht, Dan goils of El Lay: $50 sez you will, 2-nite, like roscoe at 405 ............yeah?

Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 21:17:49 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Forgot, but in case anyone is looking up that "Radio Times" program at a later date I'm sure you'll just have to use the archive search for the date of July 29, 2005. For now it's still on the "Radio Times" front page and probably will remain there for the weekend.

Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 21:12:04 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Interesting (I thought) program today on my local NPR station (WHYY, 91 FM)out of Philly regarding the nostalgia and fascination with actual records as opposed to CDs. I came in on the middle of it on air, so I looked it up online to catch it all.

The part labelled "Hour 2" seems to begin in mid-sentence, but it's really very close to the beginning (within, I'd say, around 30 seconds) so you're not really missing anything there. If you have RealPlayer (and it's up to date **) you can listen (time 51:52) at...

Radio Times with Marty Moss-Coane
Friday, July 29th

Remembering our records. When's the last time you put an album on? Did it sound as good as you remembered? Does our perception of music change over time? We'll examines these questions with our guests CHUCK MILLER, author of Warman's American Records, and CHRIS SIMPSON, owner of the Philadelphia Record Exchange.

(** NOTE: In order to listen to the whole thing I first had to do an 11MB download of RealPlayer 10.5 with "Harmony Technology." [Whatver that is.] Pain in the neck, but once I did that I was able to listen fine.)

Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 21:07:00 ET
Posted by: baba schlong wadd , shangri la

you must quiet your egotistical, desiring mind and work on harmonizing the 9th chakra with the holy tantric atman which manifests itself in the non-duality of Becomingness; and to assist with that task, obtain a willing and slightly broken-in tantric maiden, to be discovered, like, on the back pages of the weekly for under $100...............

game, gretchenski?


Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 19:55:27 ET
Posted by: ph,

Walter mentions the Mongeese on the page where he talks about bootleg Dan CDs on

Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 12:55:26 ET
Posted by: ygk, -

Gretchen: are they touring? 'twould be quite a show......


Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 09:31:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, too early for me........

I don't think I've heard of this one before. Mongoose, anyone?


Date: Fri, July 29, 2005, 08:51:10 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


I feel that I owe you a sincere apology.

My comment was not, I can assure you, directed at you but at the author of the tripe.

I do take your point about ignoring the garbage and, usually, I am strong enough to do so but, just occasionally, my resolve weakens. LOL

Once again, apologies for any offence I may have caused.

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 16:16:44 ET
Posted by: Tom Blarney the Dinosaur, jurassic park n ride

new on CD: Tom Blarney, Blsrney thr Dinosaur plays yr favorite bass lines to smoke rock to------

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 16:13:13 ET
Posted by: Robin Leeech, on the jugular

Groupie or parasite: you decide

the blueboard: dont forget your kneepads

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 15:39:39 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, la

Hoops, good one. Or, South of Roseland, maybe?

Any new finds on Walter's project today?


Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 15:12:37 ET
Posted by: hassan, spamcenter

Know when some washed-up rockers and groupies start mentioning "spam," their schemas feel threatened. The Dan is (or was, EMG sounds damn near to corporate product to moi) about irreverence and subversion. You obtain the title of your band from a novel by arch-fiend intellectual William Burroughs, you are going to get extremity, subversion, dissent among your "fan base." Fans might not be the right word--partisans. The Dan has attracted far too many of these westside LA types of coke sniffing hedonists who often leave their brains at the door. Read the lyrics to Kid Charlemagne, or to Black Friday, or even to Jack of Speed: this ain't just about the par-tay. I'd rather read "Guido's" little noir parody than Ann kvetching about some trivial issue. Spam is produced by the unthinking type of Danoid who never read a Burroughs novel in his life (nor has he perused Pynchon and Gibson, other Dan influences). Spam is silly little blurbs about the Beatles or the Beach Boys
(osiris forbid).

Rave on, Pissaleen

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 13:33:44 ET
Posted by: hoops,

RW: South of Herington (as I was saying at Cincy).


Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 13:30:44 ET
Posted by: hoops,


Actually, I check the blue a couple of dozen times a day except certain days like yesterday when a good friend of mine was having lung surgery. (It was a relative success--they went in expecting a whole lung would have to be removed and instead only part of a lung and lymph node was cut--or as I tell her, "You had a lung and lymph lift instead of a face lift! You're so trendsetting!")

So that sorta thing is more important and sometimes I can't be here to pick off the spam, noise, etc. As I've said before to those of you who have offered to help with the Blue, the way you can help me when some spam the book, is not to respond to the spam and totally NOT acknowledge its existence. That is such a huge help. When regulars respond or write things like, "too bad we have to wade through this," I feel hurt. It makes it a lot harder for me to later excise the spam and encourages spam. Thanks to those who did help by completely ignoring it.


Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 13:28:47 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Indeed. :-)

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 09:53:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oy da pain.

Date: Thurs, July 28, 2005, 03:20:45 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


You are, as usual, quite right. It's just a shame that we have to wade neck deep through such bile in order to access the Blue.

The price of freedom I guess. LOL

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 23:36:38 ET
Posted by: pissaleen, rooftops of the mind, man

Piss on, my spread and willing cyber queeen, O pissaleen....cream deep my ten times ultrasheen....pissaleen.......born in the baths of joisey..............trained how to pee and pee hard .............Dropped yr shorts on the streets of topanga.........soaked through on the floor of the poodle shop..............pissaleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 22:48:46 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

I work with this guy who is mid-30s, single, no girl friend, not a great deal of ambition....bit of a loser...and originates from my area in the UK. When I started in the job last year, it seemed he suddenly found an ambition in wind me up. I would get sarcastic comments about my origins, lifestyle, work ethos, you name it. At first I responded with defensive rhetoric....but then I realised I was just adding fuel to his fire. I realised he was such a sad person that he had to get his kicks out of annoying a middle aged woman. So, every time he made a comment to/about me, I just completely ignored it as if he wasn't there (Note: this is also the advice the police give to women who encounter dirty old men in the park who are flashing their pathetic excuse for manhood). Anyway, the outcome was that Sadman stopped the comments.

Is there a message here for us dedicated posters/readers?


Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 22:42:09 ET
Posted by: Retail Whore, Nordstrom


and many more. Good luck on your move to the East. So, what's the new name going to be?


Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 20:28:56 ET
Posted by: Guido "the Bull" Mariconioltilio, joisey

Whatz dat Nick-kay, mi paisano--the Mr. Steely Dan? Yeah I knowed dat goomba, a meshugginah from way back in the day. We wuz like brothas, we wuz, and he ratted me out he did, over some dame, over yeah Nickay get this--some broad from da coast; once at the some valley waterhole where Dan and his goons used to gnosh and drink up their ill-begotten gains...nickay this little dame wanted to sing back up for Dan and the boys (she ran with the, shall we say Nick-kay, schwar-zies, capiche, Nickaio?) but couldn't carry a tune better than youse or me, no, and wanted to get up there with the Mr. Dan and his joisey freaks and croon like "My Funny Valentine" or somethin' classy, yeah, nothin' but class from that lil' cooze, and she woulda spruced up that Mr. Dan's outfit, yeah, but no he woulda in no ways allow dat. So nows we have a lil' bidness to attend to, a small piece of honor, Nickaio, if I may say so, and dese joisey rats are gonna haff to pay the piper, sees, it's like dat: you don't nevers cross Guido, and if you doo, well, be prepared for da repercussions, Ya hear me NIckay? Fugettaboutit.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 20:28:23 ET
Posted by: Guido "the Bull" Mariconioltilio, joisey

Whatz dat Nick-kay, mi paisano--the Mr. Steely Dan? Yeah I knowed dat goomba, a meshugginah from way back in the day. We wuz like brothas, we wuz, and he ratted me out he did, over some dame, over yeah Nickay get this--some broad from da coast; once at the some valley waterhole where Dan and his goons used to gnosh and drink up their ill-begotten gains...nickay this little dame wanted to sing back up for Dan and the boys (she ran with the, shall we say Nick-kay, schwar-zies, capiche, Nickaio?) but couldn't carry a tune better than youse or me, no, and wanted to get up there with the Mr. Dan and his joisey freaks and croon like "My Funny Valentine" or somethin' classy, yeah, nothin' but class from that lil' cooze, and she woulda spruced up that Mr. Dan's outfit, yeah, but no he woulda in no ways allow dat. So nows we have a lil' bidness to attend to, a small piece of honor, Nickaio, if I may say so, and dese joisey rats are gonna haff to pay the piper, sees, it's like dat: you don't nevers cross Guido, and if you doo, well, be prepared for da repercussions, Ya hear me NIckay? Fugettaboutit.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 18:59:58 ET
Posted by: Carlos Castanettoes, The Zone, man

Tune into your inner self, meditate, chant with Krishna and the sages, man, attempt that Mingus riff again, and like find some decent china white to sling to the sluts and phags down at Cal Skank Narcisso. Co-pa-mutha-f-in-ceptic.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 18:37:46 ET
Posted by: Baba Ram Dass, take me by the hand

The key is to be aware of one's own presence. We cannot attain this wonderful state of awareness by doing anything. We attain it by doing nothing.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 16:54:18 ET
Posted by: Roll Out the Red Carpet, City of Lost Angels, The awards are in

Paul Carrack wins best supporting actor for his amazing role as a disturbed child actor and as the blueÝs self appointed spelling police an impossible yet extremely important task but someone has to do it or at least he feels the need to. Good to know he is the authority on something. Once when his house was burning down he managed to drag his 90 pound SD dictionary outside to safety even when pages A to F were already charred and burning. Paul our hats are off to you man. Perhaps you could assist cozmik gunk with his spelling or at least untangle him from his Birkenstocks. It seems he has worn them so long he canÝt pull them off since his feet have swollen due to marinated liver problems. He is on the list and hoping to get a new liver or at least a brain soon.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 16:22:51 ET
Posted by: mac, pahrump

YO bluebookers: imagine collaborating with SD. We ought to offer suggestions for the boys' next big CD project.

Here's my suggestion:

HO: a musical tribute to all the cheap floozies who helped propel the Dan into stardom. Consider the possibilities--

And ode to their mouths
to snatch
to azzzzzzzzz

"she was so sweeet before she hit southside"

"snatch, uncomfortably numb"

"contract girl to face in less than 2 years"

"Skankbag Triumphant"

just a sketch but could be worked up

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 15:08:46 ET
Posted by: roshiman, samadhi

Buddhism and new age jive are for westside freaks--the wives of doctors and lawyers, successful porno babes, a few rich actors and musicos: those who can afford it. The rest of us don't think in terms of enlightenment but in terms of cash, baybe.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 14:34:43 ET
Posted by: Bassicstink green is so very unbecoming, United Nations, NY

You might consider learning to sit it does wonders for the over inflated ego and we all know what that is to cover up for. How scary the spiritual world must be for you.

The divine trusts you so why don't you trust the divine?


Don't let me interrupt your ego babble.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 13:19:15 ET
Posted by: Baba Ram Das, in yer snoot

"The quieter you become, the more you can hear."

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 12:30:05 ET
Posted by: cozmik debris, zee crystal ball

hey is that a maui poncho

take yr medications and yr preparations and jam 'em.. up... yr... snout

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 12:13:46 ET
Posted by: grasshoppah, aja

Baba Ram Walt! If WB believes in the dharma maybe there's something to it--or at least some chicks (if Our Great Gonzo Mystery Man still, like, digs chicks).....

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 08:06:33 ET
Posted by: DWB, ---

(scroll down some)

Krishna Das drummer Matt Kilmer...

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 08:01:09 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Meditation Mountain

Another Walter Becker-Krishna Das related article/musician...

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 06:50:56 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Why don't you go somewhere where your wit and bonhomie would be appreciated.

Anywhere but here, for example.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 05:47:38 ET
Posted by: Aint No Carrack, .

Carrack you wease jive all the time Pee-Wee!

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 05:29:51 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Blogged Mountain

Above is a link to a razor edged review of Rickie Lee Jones' performance in Birchmere.
She's on stage with longtime bassist Paul Nowinski and a new guitarist Teddy Kumpel (who also worked with John Tabacco, Nigey Lennon and many others.) His work also includes filmscores, like for George Clooney's "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind". And recordings with saxophonist/composer Michael Blake (Lounge Lizards)...
And if we dig deep enough, there's bound to be something found that links to Steely Dan infected bodies and minds...

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 05:22:49 ET
Posted by: SS, Koh Samui that Doobies 24 k gold version of Minute by Minute you mentioned. It's already out there cuz I bought a copy in Hong Kong a few weeks ago. Can't say I'm blown away by the sound quality on the first few listens. Steve Hoffman produced it.

I'm probably getting badly spoiled by DVD-As. I have a lot of gold
discs and only one - the MFSL Gaucho - stands up to even the worst of my DVD-As (Pet Sounds excluded) in sound detail and separation. And Gaucho is comparable - not better. And...I don't actually have a DVD-A player !

I see there's a Dual Disc of the new Ben Folds (Songs for Silverman, I think it's called). Anyone heard that version ?

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 05:04:08 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

Amazing that The Trout purports to know everything there is to know about Walter Becker's personal life, and yet she doesn't know how to correctly spell his ex-wife's first name.

Chrys, I'm with ya pal, and we know that you're not coming at us with "EMG stinks." We share your frustrations, I'm sure.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 04:14:52 ET
Posted by: Eleanor did have a green thumb., Under the tin roof in the crystal room, No Where Maui

The cash crop was not exactly ever avocados. Funny how rumors get started. It was more along the lines of a very rare breadfruit, not either.

Their crazy neighbor who lived on the same piece of land in the middle of No Where Maui on the edge of a beet garden whose name was Fig/Carter a strange old white haired hippie did have a giant avo tree that would drop giant avs on his tin roof at night and wake the whole house up. As I recall Eleanor did get her avocados off that tree, there were so many the cats would eat them after they fell all over the ground. The attempts to sell the avocados to hotel restaurants never worked out because the hotels wanted uniform avocados from the mainland that had the brown stem part waxed. They were definitely not a cash crop.

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 03:52:05 ET
Posted by: To Set The Story Straight, Washington Post, Maui

Walter had a wife or girlfriend that was a big shopper and money spender who weaseled in on him at a low point when he was in the hospital from being run over by a car in Central Park. While she was busy constantly shopping Eleanor who grew up in Hawaii started teaching him to windsurf (as a friend not a serious instructor). In Eleanor's words no one thought much about it because Eleanor was sort of a tomboy/hippie chick that snuck under everyone's radar including Walter's shopper. Then as a friend Eleanor started to teach Walter ashtanga yoga and one time they started hugging while doing yoga and things went from there. Eleanor was never a real yoga teacher nor did she pretend to be. She had two sons before she met Walter from two different men. When Walter and Eleanor moved in together (in a tiny house surrounded by a cattle ranch in Maui) they starting juicing wheatgrass and Walter started taking serious yoga classes from a woman named Nancy 5 days a week. Eleanor was not always a health nut and had been into some shall we say heavy drugs at one time herself before she met Walter.

The End

Date: Wed, July 27, 2005, 03:23:45 ET
Posted by: Chrys, PA

I guess what continually bugs the shit out of me is, I have to get up and go to my horrible job when the buzzing terror of my alarm clock goes off, day after day, week after week, and SOME GUYS don't have to do NUTHIN but work on music all day, and THEY DON'T DO IT. Only when THEY FEEL LIKE IT. Pisses me off.

Hoops, Paul C. and Raj: Didn't mean to sound like I was damning EMG with faint praise, NAY NAY-- I posted about three or four weeks ago how the subtle wonders of EMG magically opened up to me one day when I played both 2vN and EMG back to back, complete, and I stand by that post.

It's just that, golly gee whillikers, I wish D & W would get their asses in gear. C'mon, they ain't that old yet.

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 22:40:21 ET
Posted by: tones,

Hoops - great catch there! Can't wait to hear that...

Wow. WB playing bass. wowwowwowwowwow

Makes my day.

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 21:04:23 ET
Posted by: not really, .

Actually hoops, the PR quote that Elinor was WB's "yoga instructor" was tongue-in-cheek, much like the quote that WB was a "gentleman avocado rancher". In fact Elinor got WB into yoga during his, um, rehabilitation years, but was no more his or anyone's "instructor" than WB actually grew avocados. Not that there's anything wrong with yoga or avocados, but best to keep the jokes from the facts

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 19:57:26 ET
Posted by: S.Bellow, NYC





Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 19:10:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Dan, actually, Walter's wife from the 1980s through the mid 90s was a woman named Elinor (thanked in 11TOW, Kawai's mom) and she was Walter's yoga instructor when they met. So not surprising at all. Good healthy stuff.


Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 19:01:14 ET
Posted by: Dan,

I would be surprised if Walter is into that scene. Although he certainly seems well informed and references it quite a bit.

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 16:06:01 ET
Posted by: H's P.P.S.,

Check and look under the photos for the album sessions from last November. Two shots with Walter, One obvious--a rare shot of Walter playing bass--and one much less obvious in a group setting.

"I'm learning how to meditate. So far so good."

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 15:57:30 ET
Posted by: ps, ..

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 15:55:09 ET
Posted by: Gina, Baked Potato Mountain

search engines now working overtime to find online news about WB's adventures...

on another musical and Dan alumni note: John Beasley has a new cd release, it's a LIVE recording, dated July 20th 2004, recorded in the Baked Potato, L.A.

Ralph Moore -sax-, Dave Carpenter -electric bass-, Gary Novak -drums-, Carlos Del Puerto -acoustic bass-, Kevin Richard -chekere, tambourine- and John Beasley on Fender Rhodes and CPU,
The cd is produced by John Beasley, recorded by Tim Finch and mixed by Yasuhiro Takeuchi. Mastered by Jim Sheffler.
The CD has very nice covert art, done by Vin D'Onofrio.

ah well, more to be found in Beas' website:

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 15:53:21 ET
Posted by: chant-illy lace, .

Thanks for the release news hoops. Interesting. WB and KD go way back. Krishna Das = KD Kagel (sp?), before he became chanter to the stars (Sting etc) he used to be a co-owner or something of Triloka (sp?) records back in '80s, for which WB produced a few titles way back when. Wonder if Becker is actually into that scene, or just doing a producing solid for a friend...?

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 15:29:34 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Sorry if I missed this if it was posted elsewhere, but according to the August 2005 issue of ICE Magazine,

"Walter Becker resurfaces on August 23 as the producer of 'All One,' the new album by chant-master Krishna Das (Artemis Records). The LP features Becker on bass, Def Leppard's Rick Allen on drums and co-producer David Nichtern (composer of Maria Muldaur's 'Midnight at the Oasis') on guitar."

The same edition of ICE has news of a new Mike McD retrospective, an extended box from The Band (as someone noted earlier); an ad for Piano Jazz albums with both Steely Dan and Elvis Costello (with Bruce Hornsby's guest spot coming soon); word of a 20th anniversary edition of Metheny and Coleman's "Song X" (a recording occassionally discussed here) that has the bonus tracks before the original album tracks; and word of a special 24K+Gold edition of the Doob's "Minute By Minute."


Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 13:15:38 ET
Posted by: Jean Reneault, Aix, France

It is zee distorted image of Monseur Beckere, natural porportions of the body and face rendered askew, as in "wacky" or "wacked-out" as the young people say. Walter, he is a very *singular* character, no? Not run of the mill, different, dare I say, weird perhaps? Hence the somewhat bent, distended and distorted image. Oddball. Like the record itself, OK?

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 11:40:45 ET
Posted by: S. Bellow, NYC


Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 10:45:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Kerthwackk! I don't think it's very effortless to compose and produce songs for Don & Walt at this point. How they ever ripped off six albums that fast in the 70s has a lot to do with youth and its urge to put it all out there, maybe dyin' to be a star. Remember how incredibly fast the Beatles came out with all those records in the 60s? For a lot of artists of all kinds, there's a natural slowing down of the process after a while. The greatest songwriters' work slows to a trickle at some point after time - and their work becomes less relevant. That goes for Elton, Macca, Pete Townsend, Brian Wilson, Dylan, U2, Sting, they all take a few years at this point to get something out there. I don't think you can stay prolific throughout an entire career. Van Morrison is an exception, Elvis Costello too maybe. But as far as vision goes, SD has held fast to it, I'll take exception there, it remains work of elegance and function. You may not thrill at 2vN and EMG like you might have Royal Scam and Gaucho. I see it as a natural progression, their old dreams have morphed. The absolute killer for them would be to have to deliver a record on a certain date. Pushing to finish may have hurt EMG a bit, the compulsion to follow 2vN as quickly as possible and capitalize on its critical success might have been too great. Above all, it has to flow naturally or it won't be right. So, hey, Donald's record ain't ready, like that old commercial, "is it soup yet?" Or kids on a family vacation, "are we there yet?" Or like Michaelangelo's response to the Pope Julian II's constant harranguing over when the Sistine Chapel would be ready, "When I'm finished, Your Holiness."

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 09:40:45 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo


What a busy little board it's been!! Is it a public holiday there or something?? the way you crack a whip!

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 06:43:46 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

I understand where you're coming from, but I listened to EMG the night before and twice again tonight -- and it is truly where it's at.

More please.

Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 05:00:36 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

Cincy Joe, come out from behind those masks, good buddy.

If you SERIOUSLY think SD is in the same bag as Billy Joel, you have a SERIOUS aesthetic illness there.

But you did make a salient point about Fagen and Becker not living up to their musical potential a few posts back-- as much as I LOVE those two schmendricks, it's hard to have all that much RESPECT for them, as far as their work ethic and artistic vision. They really could be doing so much more, but apparently the two lazy SOBS are quite content to rest on their laurels and take comfort in the perceived hope they'll go down in pop music history as "legends."

What happened to the coded promise in "Gaslighting Abbie" and "Two Against Nature?"

I'm getting disillusioned here-- I've been waiting for the Time Magazine cover about the new Brecht/Weill and all I get, 5 years after 2vN, are little sporadic news briefs that "Donald Fagen is busy recording a Brazilian album . . ."

EMG? Well, yeah, it's a genuine, greatly promising recreational pop/funk/fusion record for D & W, but it's been more than two years now and . . .


Date: Tues, July 26, 2005, 00:23:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

The late Mindy Jostyn used to sit in with the Emeril housenabd a lot a few years ago, he'd always introduce her as the "Jammin Queen."

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 23:41:58 ET
Posted by: fife, cooking

Saw a commercial today on the food network for Emeril's show this coming Sunday Evening. Mike McDonald is his musical guest. Mmmm wonder if Donald would do his show? BAM!!!

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 21:58:51 ET
Posted by: skullmeister, malebolge

new Marty Scarcese compilation CD comin' out, produced by Boobie Bobbertson: "Lame Minstrels on Drugs Singin' Sentimental Shit you don't want to hear"

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 21:53:58 ET
Posted by: dissimulator,

Whoa! heard Libby Titusstein has a new CD coming out: "Whose Shank Do you have to Suck to Make it in this Town," featuring 10 tracks of not quite whack

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 20:52:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh, don't fret the slings and arrows PQ. We love you just the way you are, don't change a hair for us, not if you care for us.

Baba All Cuddly Rajah

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 19:24:06 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

So a month ago here I posted about Harold Land's song Grooveyard and here Jim finds a quote that has Fagen talking about him...more of my bullshit and lies LOL.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 19:04:17 ET
Posted by: hassan, ...................

Yeah I never detected much beat stuff either, but at least the boys made a great marketing move in using a Burroughs reference (like gap did few years ago) and that helped 'em move towards the big ca-ching. For that matter I don't hear the Miles or 'trane influence that much--more swingy-Ellington--OK I guess there is a bit in earlier stuff (my own hunch is that was due as much to Dias and to session dudes as to F or B.).

Wm. Gibson is the right comparison tho in terms of literary influence, tho I dont see much of cyber-punk style--more noir: the lyrics sort of Ray Chandlerish; tho like Gibson there is a lot of pop-manga stuff to the new Dan, and while I think 2AN was pretty cool, musically, EMG is more lyrically-driven and the music sort of sounds rehashed if not dull or sweet. Whatever. It stands above most "product," but I just don't get the new stuff that much. I mean if this is just about grubby-noirish stories about losers and web chat rooms and porn and malls, why doesn't Mr. Fagen just f-n write? At least earlier "stories" say like Haitian Divorce or Kid CHarlemagne and many others had a stimulating soundtrack.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 19:03:40 ET
Posted by: hoops,


Found it. Got some details wrong but it originated in the Dec. 18, 1993 issue of "Melody Maker," was featured in a 1994 issue of Pete Fogel's "Metal Leg" and was sent in also for the June 25, 1994 issue of what is today known as the "Dandom Digest." Thanks to Paul C. for helping me nail the article.

"Donald Fagen, formerly of Seventies sophisticats Steely Dan talks about the pivotal records in his life."

Miles Davis, It Could Happen To You
These milestone sessions opened me up to the power of music. I was about 11 when I first started listening to jazz. I lived in New Jersey and used to listen to late-night jazz stations from Manhattan, and that's where I heard this. Jazz affected me in a way R&B records really didn't. The fact that I didn't understand it made it very powerful for me. I recognized, say, John Coltrane's solos as being alien to anything in my suburban middle-class background. He'd go way outside of the usual formulas, which produced this feeling of out reaching that was both frightening and very attractive.

Sonny Rollins, Where Are You
This is a ballad from his famous album The Bridge. I'd really liked his work in the Fifties and I was hoping he'd come out of retirement. When this appeared in the Sixties, his style had changed. He was much more controlled. Rather than trying to imitate Coltrane, as so many players did, he'd assimilated it into his own style. You could hear some of the scariness of Coltrane in his new sound.

Oliver Nelson, Blues and The Abstract Truth
A very popular jazz record with a kind of mainstream, big-band sound. Nelson had a West Coast sound and the contrast between (altoist) Eric Dolphy solos and that slick, swinging rhythm section was very interesting to me.

Charlie Mingus, Slop
I bought the Mingus Dynasty album on an experimental basis. I'd never heard him and all I knew was that he was the bass player on Charlie Mingus' famous Massey Hall concert but I liked the cover -- Mingus wearning an absurd Egyptian hat. The first time I played it, I thought it was terrible. I thought the band was a mess and I couldn't figure out why people kept yelling. On the other hand there were some great solos. About a year later, I put it on again, thought it was brilliant, and couldn't stop playing it. There was something about the rootsy feeling that I had come to accept. It was angry, with a lot of church and blues feeling. My older cousins would take me to The Vanguard or Five Spot in New York and we saw Mingus round about this time -- 1962. I was knocked out. It wasn't like a concert, it was a visitation from another universe. Mingus was really brusque with the musicians. Then he began drinking and became nasty to people in the audience too. "Stop tinkling that spoon in that glass." Then he started lecturing us on the problems he was having with his record company. It was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. The last time I saw him, he'd grown enormously fat and was wearing a bathrobe with what appeared to be calamine lotion all over his body, as if he had the worst ever case of poison ivy.

Clifford Brown, Dahood
This is the studio version and part of a very important bunch of records that influenced popular music a lot. I used to think Clifford Brown's style was too stiff and formal. It was the basis, along with Fats Navarro, for the Blue Note style of funky or soul jazz. I was very snobbish about that when I was a kid. I thought they were just stringing together blues cliches. But later I started to appreciate these people for their power and went back to Clifford Brown. A lot of the live recordings sound great, particularly when he had Sonny Rollins and Harold Land in the band.

Thelonious Monk, Monk's Dream
Monk injects an incredible blues sensibility into everything he does. He's trying to bend the piano like you would a guitar. And this has Frankie Dunlop on drums. He's probably my favorite drummer.

The Beatles, The Ballad of John & Yoko
I liked the fact that this is autobiographical. The lyrics are great in a kind of Chuck Berry mode. Lennon was a very courageous person. I really liked his solo stuff. He was always ready to confront whatever needed to be confronted. In this case in a very funny song that puts me in a good mood, "The way things are going/They're gonna crucify me." I mean, you never hear that anywhere.

Bob Dylan, It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
An astounding record. You get to hear on this what a fantastic singer he was. His range, which now, as far as I can tell, has reduced to a perfect fifth, used to be enormous. He starts very high on the verse and then drops an octave in about a second and sounds like he's doing a duet with himself. A perfect record.

The Band, Tears of Rage
Another Dylan song, from "Music With Big Pink," a record that really changed rock 'n' roll. Whether for better or worse, I don't know. Everything was influenced by it at the time. It was the contrapuntal, improvised group playing, plus the dynamics and harmonies were unpredictable and had kind of a gospel effect. The singing was spectacular -- three fantastic singers, Levon Helm, Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. There's never been anything else like it. It was on a much higher level than any other records in those days -- homemade and beautiful-sounding.

Dionne Warwick, In The Land of Make Believe
This is a straight ahead pop song in intent, but Burt Bacharach is brilliant. He was Marlene Dietrich's musical director for a while, and he utilized a lot of French classical music for her stuff. Poulenc and Debussy were his models and, when applied to soul and gospel, it had this very ethereal effect, especially with Dionne Warwick's voice. I love this combination of classicism and soul. Walter Becker and I were both huge fans of Burt Bacharach records and they were definitely an influence.

Ray Charles, Have I Got News For You
A big band record with arrangements by Quincy Jones. Straight ahead, stop-time blues, great words. I'm sure no one's ever done this as well as Ray Charles did. He's just the greatest singer in the world and it still sounds good.

The Lovin' Spoonful, Do You Believe In Magic?
Very big when I was making the transition from jazz fan to pop fan. This always puts me in a good mood. John Sebastian is incredibly underrated. He was a fine songwriter and a great singer. These days, he's kind of a forgotten man. I guess what did him in was that song Daydream, which people got really sick of and typified The Lovin' Spoonful as sugary, good-timey music. But it wasn't typical of his work at all. There's some great music on those records. The lyrics on this are all about youth and optimism and it was probably one of the first records that celebrated rock 'n' roll for itself, pulled back and looked at what was going on culturally.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 18:43:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I still haven't found the Fagen Top Five list item but while searching, I came across this germaine BlueBook post from Dec 2, 2001 from someone listed as "YoJoe"

"The Beatles helped paved the way for popular musicians to have a much greater say in the music they made. Not that the labels didn't wield huge influence afterwords. Just not as much. Before The Beatles, many popular artists had next to no say in what their record companies wanted them to record. Also, The Beatles, along with Bob Dylan, helped to promote the idea of singer/songwriters. DF/WB were, on the other hand, coming in at the tail-end of the Brill Building scene. The Beatles had minimal impact on the Steely Dan sound. Had The Beatles not come around, I'm sure Becker and Fagen would have still made it as jazzmeisters where there was already more creative freedom. Miles and Coltrane already enjoyed some creative freedom before The Beatles. Really, it's the jazzers and the 60s rhythm, blues and soul artists who Steely Dan owe their greatest debts to. Them and Dylan, since Dylan made it OK to tell stories in songs. Then there were some songs like The Ballad of John and Yoko which was great satire. Fagen says that was one of his favorite songs in the 60s."

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 18:42:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Pixeleen, she is all they claim
With her eyes of night she sets Abu aflame,
Pixeleen, when she dances by,
Double agents jump at her fantastic thigh,
And I've seen go-go boots on Pixeleen,
Raising *minglocks* up to the Cyber-sky
Yes, she has Randall and Abu on the run,
But her heart belongs to just one...
Her heart belongs to Pixeleen

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 18:38:29 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I think FACW is on the money about "Naked Lunch." I also seem to remember one of The Duo--Walter methinks--commenting that they couldn't finish reading NL.

What's so great about "Pixeleen" is that it is "so completely realized." I ordinarily think is just a clich╚ but it is so true about "Pixeleen." Every detail is there but not over done. It all works and more.

SD and Billy Joel compared? Nonsense. In the Dandom Digest, someone recently said that they didn't care for as much or find as much depth in 2vN and EMG. To that I point out that, I've had 25-30 years to acquaint myself with the first 7 ABC/MCA Steely Dan albums. After many iterations and years of phases of focusing on this album or that one, I sure to know and appreciate those albums in so many ways. So I say give EMG and 2vN as much time or even half of that to catch all there is to them. I love 2vN and EMG more now than when they came out and I keep grokking more about those two albums.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 18:22:26 ET
Posted by: FACW ,

Rajah: Well Said. Pixeleen is a perfect marraige of lyrics, melody, harmony, and performance. Carolyn and Donald's work on the bridge are sublime - a conversation in the mind of the Pixeleen fan?producer?promotor? The chorus has that "Tangerine" timelessness of great American songwriting through the 1950s.

The conversation emphasized in TvN are between the instruments. EMG emphasizes conversations and thus vocal strategies between characters.

Hassan & the other bogus personnas: I see almost no beat in TvN or EMG or mosst of the DAn lyrics. Fagen has leaned toward William Gibson-lkie storytelling since Aja. Walter leans more towards Hunter S. Thompson. gibson throws in SD characters in his novels. But I hear a lot of the Count Zero/Neuromancer/Mona Lisa Overdrive trilogy. The first 40 pages of Count Zero cruise efforly over the kind of surfaces and glitz distracting us from adventure and dark stories.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that W&D really weren't huge fans of Naked Lunch and a good bit of the other beat stuff. Most of that is filtered through Dylan. With the notable exceptioin on the SD albums that the characters are those from star-crossed, sardonic plays with little to do with their own lives. "Self" then becomes a literary tool for the imperfect narrative...instead of self-confession and self-absorption that has been the albatross around rock after the mid-60s....Self is twisted and melted where the narrator becomes part of the story, sometimes beyond their control

Aja's jazz influences are West Coast stuff from the 50s filtered through the 50s.

TvN's are more pure from Miles cool jazz stuff merged with chromatic 50s TV/radio ad jingles and Nelson Riddle dissonant tricks played over a Stax rhytm section.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:39:11 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

PQ is insufferable, and he gets worse when he drags out these "characters" to post as, trying to be funny and interesting and failing miserably on all counts -- flailing away. As someone who obssesses about both Queen and Thin Lizzy as much as Steely Dan (like PQ), his "insight" and "facts" about both bands are usually way off, just more lies to prove his "points" and to come across as earthier and smarter than you'll ever be -- like he's in on some secret that the rest of us could never understand.

We understand, and see right through it. I much prefer a righteous redneck over a psuedo-intellectual, especially one driven by a massive sense of insecurity. It is beyond sad that he feels a need to constantly prove himself, probably something to do with his upbringing, but his tripe is easily as infuriating as NYBill's loutishness, or even Clas' drunken leering from across the pond back in the late 90s.

About five years ago I put together a mix CD of all the songs that Don and Walt talked about in those "60 minutes" or mix tape articles. It was a tremendous disc and I have them to thank. Off the top of my head, "Blue Monk" was on it, "The Last Time" (Stones), "Every Little Thing" (Beatles), "One More Heartache" (Gaye), "Stolen Moments" (Oliver Nelson), "It's All Over Now" (Dylan), "In the Land of Make Believe" (Warwick), "Do You Believe In Magic" and "Four Eyes" (Lovin' Spoonful), "Ballad of John and Yoko" (John and Macca), and a host of others I'm sadly forgetting right now.

I thought about including "Ride, Captain, Ride," but I thought that'd be pushing it.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:38:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I'm saying the song compositions in great part reflect a loner's existence, they're about outsiders, outcasts, journeymen, people on the fringes engaged in shady behavior, dirty deals, toxic relationships, illicit situations, scams gone awry, and great sadness, secret sadness as we've discussed upon many occasions.

Now tell me something I don't know.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:32:46 ET
Posted by: hassan, ur mama's windpipe

Nothin' to learn--I was spinning Ellington at Newport vinyl 20 years ago. Fagen-Dan is Duke-lite at best; the horn charts a lot closer to Detroit than to 52 nd st. I dig some of it--but something like Jack of Speed is more faux-jazz rather than the real thing. There's some stuff close to jazz--when Tom Scott was on board, or Aja, and the stixmen are impressive, or some of Dias's playing, like Bodhisattva. I get the sense Fat Danny was kicked out since he was not so marketable or for whatever reason. And like I said for all the beat references it seems much more tin pan alley than kerouac....who surely would have spun a few SD cuts, mostly cringed, swilled some cabernet and put his gerry mulligan or bird records back on

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:16:44 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

Oh, that's right, Ellington just made a name for himself by hiring any old cats he could find. Didn't have any help. Loner. Didn't need nobody. Was just all him. And he wasn't a businessman either - just wanted to do that literal abstract expressionism of jazz. Didn't care about the cash.

Son you gotta learn somethin' someday - and I'm hopin' that day is today.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:08:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Chromatics, creepiness and harmony are what D2 in the 21st Century are all about. Music for those who inhabit another reality. Which seems to be a lot of us. It's loner music.

Ah yes Woody, poignant and dignified, that's me alright, I'm gratified, Man of Wood, now could you call my wife and tell her that cause she has this crazy idea that I'm a soul-sucking SOB with domineering Guinea bastard overtones. Someone has to be right here.

Frank and the Dan? Who is this marvelous and insightful Uncle of yours and is he available for dating? They do, they really do have a lot in common. No not in sound or genre or anything like that but in feel, exacting execution, their process, choices, ultimate respect for music, great great ear Frank also had for players and the mix. Don't get me started. We're taking great men of music.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 17:06:34 ET
Posted by: hassan, ur mama's spinkta

Naw just resent them raking it in for years for their bar band via rehashed Ellingtonia stuff. There's some talent there, tis true (tho methinx much of it was due to the hired hands) but I think something like the last few Tom Waits CDs is closer to a beat vibe even if his music is bit too tres savvage....or, yeah---Fowler Boys with Don Van Vliet--the one and only Capn'....that's beat surrealism without any pop frills.....Don and Walt are bidnessmen

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:59:03 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

Agreed, O Horrible Hassan (ha!).
But why be such a literalist? Artistic "influences" don't indicate parallel creations of similar scope and degree. Lighten up, will ya? Don't cry now sweetheart. Do you think your poo is perfect? Or are you just coming the realization it stinks?


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:46:31 ET
Posted by: hassan, ...............

Whatever. Either you get the point or you don't. Naked Lunch (or Kerouac or Pynchon or Fagen's other supposed literary influences) is not exactly compatible with the groove-pop of "Cousin Dupree": I am not sure what music is, if any--though I think it would be something more along the lines of atonal abstraction.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:45:42 ET
Posted by: Woody, Canada

Donald digs Ballad of John n Yoko? Funny that Donald would like this track. All the instruments and vocals were performed by only John and Paul as George and Ringo were unable to attend the session. Remind you of anyone?

Dixileen - I will avoid jumping into your bear trap. I am a huge Muddy Waters fan, but I respect what the Brits did to RnR. You don't have to like it - but please respect it.

Raj - once again poignant and dignified. We are a Dan board. But that shouldn't stop us from discussing others. IMHO W + D would appreciate it if we did.

Frank vs. Dan. I have a brother in-law (Bonjour Mon Oncle) who would be torn to pieces over this. I see alot of similarities over the two acts. Their senses of humour. Their thoughtful lyrics/storytelling. And their fusion of Jazz/Blues based music into modern RnR. And they also share a passion for flipping the bird to the norm. That is so healthy in this industry.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:39:18 ET
Posted by: Ms Jo,

You didn't know the long-lost unedited version of that Doris flick. Believe me, it was Clam-ity Jane.

Well, they got a little bit older and a little bit slower but apart from that, their sense of humor has gotten a whole lot better.

I love a nice creepy, kinky old R & B Porn Band. I mean, what's the alternative, space-suits, platform shoes and Afros?

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:09:03 ET
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and gone..., Miss is Sippi

Jo Stafford - just one small detail, it's CALAMITY JANE.

Nothing else.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 16:07:51 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

hassan: your mind is in absentia, dementia dons your dandruff, for the bow to burroughs and the beats became boring, perhaps one's snoring drowned the music, yet The-Two moved on masterfully. So BeckerFagen pulled the wagon off the road (to unload); then after dealing off their demons, resurrected, introspected, wearing father time like cherished well aged wine.

When the writers weren't showing you could tell that they were growing (I damn not Mr. Burroughs, but one can't taste the smell his nose knows). So FagenBecker (and their hecklers) created their own stormy weather, standing as a freaky two-head man. They growled into their sound: one Steely Dan.

So as I write this drinking booze I ask you not to gripe until you've worn the shoes.

Bad Sneakers indeed

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:48:27 ET
Posted by: P.I.M.P, La Rue

Donnie "Mac" Fagin and Walt "backRoom boy" Becker......P. I. M.P aw yeah

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:39:03 ET
Posted by: hassan, abyssynia

the SD boys, for all their early moments of transcendence, pimped burroughs and the beats, man: they sort of created this beat-underground myth or vibe and then slowly evolved into like an R n B porn band...billy joel with a few chromatic additions......fagen's lyrics may have a sort of beat flavor occasionally, though its more salingery or bellow than burroughs or kerouac...regardless if you dig that old queer, at least have the decency to follow in his subversive, dissonant path--- would burroughs have approved of the Fagen--Becker popjass? I think not.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:29:01 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

And Steve Reich isn't all that after the first 25 minutes - a little John Adams for variety.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:26:48 ET
Posted by: bull lee, Motowns of the Red Night

Yeah, catchy little number: Funky Corpse Ejaculating! By Clem Snide and the vandellas

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:26:22 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

hassan: But Bartok was covered/suggested already within 2VN, as well as a Shade of Stravinksy. Don't you know your literature of D'Albums, o' persian piper?


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:11:24 ET
Posted by: hassan, persia

o you're confusing music and art with prostitution again, mam: sort of the Fagen-Becker MO--not to say that Whores are not occasionally interesting or desirable, but you fly Burroughs and the beats and then play variations of martha and vandellas or rosemary clooney--well bad joss---maybe F & B should like work up some bartok or varese or finish up those comp lessons with Steve Reich.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 15:04:24 ET
Posted by: Jo Stafford, my girlfriend Rosemary

Doris Day was a wonderful singer, full of feminine charm, great pipes and a realy big heart. Whenever us girls are sitting around eatin Fluff and Smores, we put on "Once I Had a Secret Love" from Clamity Jane or "Ten Cents a Dance" (her dime dancin days weren't through) or that beautiful duet with Frank, "All the Way" from Young at Heart, well, we get all weepy and have good cry.

Go Doris, we're all waiting for you on the Nightshift!

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:50:22 ET
Posted by: clem snide, interzone

Yeah Doris Day with the Chicago Art Ensemble doing La Cula de Skank!

Really you take a name from Burroughs' Naked Lunch and then play some stuff (last 2 CDs) that rarely transcends a Billy Joel product.....maybe they should just be the Don Fagen band

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:44:05 ET
Posted by: Frank, zooming

Rosemary's versions of At a Sidewalk Cafe, I Whisper Your Name and Hello Young Lovers still touch my cold cold and getting colder all the time heart. WassamatterU?

Patti Page was no slouch either. Tammy and Kentucky Waltz.

Now Mr. Hoops, what was the Traffic tune? I'm betting it was the classic album opener of all time: Glad.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:39:35 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I'm guessing Donald put the "Ballad of John and Yoko" on his list because of the sense of irreverent humor that underlies it. Very Steely Dan in that respect. Other recordings on DF's "Top Five" list included "Highway 61 Revisited" , something by Traffic and either Miles Davis Quintet's "Relaxin'" album (or maybe it was "If I Were A Bell" off that album.) Have to get the last item. Will dig it up along with the source for the list. With regards to "Highway 61," Donald says that was significant because it pushed the door wide open for story telling. This was from about ten years ago. Maybe Donald would have a different top 5 now.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:31:48 ET
Posted by: ................., On the Road

Rosemary Clooney????? Dude, that's sort of nauseating. Where are you like playing? Cedars Sinai Talent Night?

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:30:50 ET
Posted by: Brian Epstein, rearranging my vinyl

You cad, you bounder, how dare you? My seconds will will be approaching you shortly.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:18:37 ET
Posted by: kixaleen, perdido

Musico or fender-bender I am not, except for butchering some Bill Evans and Bach inventions on keys--it's a phreee country and all, sort of, and if Mr. Fagen wants to do a manga-Samurai Jack schtick, cool, but I think it's a far cry from the lyrical, jazzy beauty of anything up to Aja (again listening to like Caves of Altamira or Home at Last and comparing to new stuff its like F & B now do joisey doo wop with some beat riffs on top of it) . It's strictly commercial man. Who cares really, I mean maybe they need cash....but they could have gone complex--extending ala Ellington-Mancini-Mothers of Invention types of harmonies and rhythms-- and instead went pop-minimal

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:04:36 ET
Posted by: Frank, Cloud 9

Pixeleen is a masterpiece, it has it ALL, it really rocks, very playful and fun, it excites. The duet bridge is insanely inventive, thrilling. Stop power strumming and feeding back that Fender and listen with an open mind.

Rosemary Clooney and I sing it at all the parties. The whitebeards love it.

Course they're getting creepy, it comes with age.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 14:00:35 ET
Posted by: dixieleen, escondeedio

Cripes. The Beatles? The only time they approached art was when Yoko was screaming and feedbacking at the top of her ovaries. Paul McCartney couldn't pour piss out of a python boot properly; Lennon shoulda just stuck to his life dwawing courses. The worst chitlins playin' n-ah puts the Brit. invasion to shame: the best jam the Groning Stones or Beatless ever had was not quite up to Muddy Waters on a good night, and way beneath say Basie or Ellington. Scott Joplin had more soul in his pinkie than any moptop. Don 'n Walt at least read through some Ellington or Parker changes (they prolly couldn't play 'em but at least farmed it out to the right dudes, usually).

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 13:38:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I never heard Donald dug Ballad of John & Yoko. It is a narrative, a short story really replete with exposition, lots of different setting, characters too and does have that ourageous (and eerily enough, presaging what eventually happened to the poor man) crucificion tag. Plus man in the mac, plane into Paris, honeymoonin' down by the Seine, Gibraltar, Amsterdam Hilton, chocolate cake in a bag, fifty acorns tied in a sack. Yeah, that does sound like a familiar M.O. But it is strictly biographical and D2 wouldn't ever directly do that. Can you imagine: The Ballad of Don and Walter? Well, there is 2vN...but it's in code of course.

SOH east to DC? Say it ain't so. What, and give up the beach, the chicks, the blender drinks on the balcony overlooking the pool and 14 pairs of festive flip-flops??? Somebody send out for a shrink!

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 13:18:58 ET
Posted by: trixieleen, perdido

Pigsaleen ethereal charm? I don't think so. Its better than most pop manga, but apart from the few bop licks of weiskopf, it's cloying if not saccharine. Compare to like Caves of Altamira or about any of the old standards from Scam or Ecstasy. Fagen dropped into some noirish- porn world and lost his melodic gift...the band still rocks on EMG and 2AN but it's like groove jazz with some beat-noir poetry...maybe that's what it takes to sell but the new stuff sounds, like, sinister.....

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 13:16:43 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I haven't had time to post with the work here since I got back from Cincy, but one "funny' that stands out in my mind is how Joe C. aka South of Hollywood is moving from San Diego to the east coast. I proclaim ;-) that the anagram SoH should now mean, "South of Herington" since Jon Herington lives in NYC and Joe C. lives further south along the coast. Heck, Joe C. would be a funny SD nick too! Think about it! :-)

Missed you, Joe, (and a few others of you).


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 13:15:10 ET
Posted by: Fun Facts, -

Hoops: your restraint amazes me, constantly, but I just wanted to kindly add that it seems that most of PeterQ's posts are self-righteous and self-promoting. 'Tis good to see that you see through the BS. Thanks for putting it out there.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 13:10:27 ET
Posted by: hoops ,

Some other things: the way some of you talk about backup singers or others, etc, it's so trashy. Don't get me wrong, IMHO, there's nothing wrong with talking about which players or singers your preferred on certain tours--heck, that's what we are here for. But some of you could show a little more respect when you disagree with D + W's band choices--without respect it's really bad karma. I mean some of you post like you are running a Steely Dan Backup Singer episode of the trash show, 'Survivor."

Now a great thread would be who would you like to see as a vocalist on the 2006 SD tour. I'd love to see Catherine Russell return. She's awesome! I've had the chance to meet some of these back up singers--as several of you also have, and that says a lot about their kindness to us (Which is why some of you especially need to lay off the trash talk). I'd love to hear your own stories. With Carolyn and Michael, I had a great time once discussing their dad's music--and then I was floored they would be discussing this with me! It was very funny. They were so gracious when I was suddenly speechless. With Cynthia, she always seems so glad to meet us. Now you cynics might think, "yeah everyone in show biz is like that." But then remember how she hung out with us at Le Bar Bat after Saturday Roseland 2003 until closing, singing Doobies Brothers songs with us on the Dance floor. Doesn't get more real than that.

Catherine Russell is the best! As some of you know, I had to work like crazy the days before Roseland 1995. Then I drove to NYC for the shows so I had very little sleep for four days. Well Catherine and I had a short, delightful conversation at LBB after the Saturday Roseland show and again we briefly met back stage a couple times during 1996. Well, at the 2000 Camden show, I'm backstage and this beautiful woman with glasses comes up to me and she's so happy to see me. Well, stupid me! I didn't recognize Catherine! I felt like such a dork and she was so cool about it! And then I was floored that she would remember me!

Anyhow...gotta go back to work.

Play nice.


P.S. Rajah, when StAl decided to bring his Yellow Book back up this past spring, I contacted him about the blue and yellow and would the yellow be more SD-focussed or change in format--should the blue continue as it was/is. Pat's response was the yellow would not really be so much about SD but rather a collection of friends who generally have the common thread they like SD. At the same time, he said the Blue should continue being the SD chat board. His opinion. Not mine. That said, anything tangentially Dan or musical or in the spirit of SD (humor, technology, whatever, is cool if you ask me.) The Beatles thread over the weekend was awesome IMHO. BTW: I'm surprised no one brought up how Donald considers "The Ballad of John and Yoko" to be one of his most influential songs in terms of making Steely Dan music.

What a long P.S.!


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 12:47:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

From all that I've been told, Roseland was a highlight and very nearly a religious experience for someone I know. (Sheesh) And I have no doubt Her Brother (hi sistah) is right about Tawatha but seriously, she and Carolyn are very different stylists. I compare it to having a trumpet and trombone in the horn section as opposed to three sax players. The sax trio can really pump out a wall of sound that excites but mixing in those other brass instruments gives the sound more variety and texture. Carolyn is like that trumpet. But I have no doubt the righteous blast of Cindi, Tawatha and Cynthia had to have been pretty awesome.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 12:33:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Weber; Be it your dissing newbies' questions about "Rikki" or taking shots at PeterQ and everything in between, often I actually agree with most of your point, but I so much disagree with how you say it. It's really not kind to the board nor fair to those who help make this place.

Speaking of not being kind or not being fair, the same goes for you PeterQ. Your last post features this self-righteousness which totally off-base. I've never quite been able to figure out who Weber is but you I've met in person, given you my phone number and more. The whole way you handled yourself with that certain performance review thread (and more since '03 when you started hanging in SD fan forums) was such bullshit, that I will never be able to take you seriously. After some behind the scenes details a few weeks ago, it's pretty apparent you could care less about me or anyone else here unless it's to further your own ego. You really do make up a lot of your stuff. Both of you can post here since some people don't see through yous, but as far as I am concerned, a good day on the blue for me is when neither Weber nor you, Peter Q, post.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 12:06:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Yeah, no need to mess like that, be nice.

Baba Sweet as Pie Rajah

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 12:02:43 ET
Posted by: angel,

Regarding Roseland.

You had to be dedicated to the music of Steely Dan, to stand the entire time crunched up against each other in that heat. It was not for the faint of heart. Everyone who was there on the floor, wanted to BE THERE! Best concert I have ever been to, bar none!
The final cool thing was the fact that so many of us who frequent the boards, made the effort to come out on at least one of the 2 nights. It just added magic to an already magical night.

Hey "Hubby", you never call anymore..... :-)

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 11:58:51 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

Weber you're a child. No wonder you get kicked off every Dan board you show up on, LOL! Good luck here.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 11:40:15 ET
Posted by: Web, Not Brooklyn


Also Mr. Know-it-all, Cynthia Calhoun has been in major TV sitcoms for years. You come on here and state everything as fact when in reality you know nothing. Do you think Tom Barney is looking for "something better" when Kenny G. keeps him on retainer for $6,000 a week?

Roseland fits a few thousand people and is in the middle of NYC. The Gorge is in the middle of nowhere and holds (with the lawn) close to 25 thousand people. You're a complete fool Peter Q. It's strange how you always talk shit about Becker and Fagen but yet you're a groupie of their sidemen. You give the word "idiot" a whole new meaning!

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 11:03:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

What was her response?

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 10:38:41 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

At Smoke Carolyn often plays with her husband's quartet, the sax player Wayne Escoffrey. I once asked her why she holds the mike in her hand on some tunes and leaves it in the stand on others.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 10:34:05 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

The lady in question was Tawatha Agee, I think, and she worked with Roxy Music in the 80s, please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Carolyn has grown up with the Steely Dan re-animation of the 90s, she a coloratura, crystalline and razor sharp. She's well trained and of course moves just beautifully, sexy and classy at the same time. She gone from a kid in jeans and tee shirts to a stunning young woman. Her call-and-response performance with Donald on Pixeleen soars with ethereal charm. She fleshes out the character of Pixeleen herself vividly, it's a polished performance. Pixeleen makes that record which I consider really one of their most imaginative compositions, certainly one of the highlights of these last two discs. I love Lyn Leon's "Catch Me When I Fall" if you've ever heard it. Her voice cuts glass, her instrument is not muscular, she doesn't belt, she's a finesse player, ornamenting with trills and runs. I wish I'd been able to see her at Smoke, wonder if any of you have.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 10:18:52 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

for what it's worth here's my list of "Sgt. Pepper" records by some notable 'artists':
Your examples first:
Dylan-"Free wheelin'"
Who-(I don't like them)
Stones-(I don't like them)
Steely Dan-"The Royal Scam"(IÝm considering all three solo records as S.D.)
Hendrix-"A:Bold as Love"
Pink Floyd-(I don't like them)
Doobie Bros-(I don't like them)
Some more of my favorites:
Elton John-"Capt. Fantastic"
CSNY-"Deja Vu"
Zappa-"Apostrophe/Hot Rats" (I can't decide!)
The Band-"Northern lights/Southern cross"
King Crimson-ýStarlessÍţ
Genesis-ýThe lamb lies downÍ.ţ
Gentle Giant-ýThree Friendsţ

I wonÝt list any Jazz because or IÝll be here all day.


Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 06:33:55 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

Hey 'Yeah, Sure' - being thst she's the sig of someone in Don and Walt's band, I'd say she was backstage, wouldn't you?

At the Fri show bway Steve and I met these two guys who were obviously lifelong fans and were having the time of their lives dancing around and singing. Looked like they were re living so many memories. Great to see.

LaPage - two things. First, in NYC the audience is jam packed with music industry people and the band pushes itself to impress them. Don and Walt may be beyond that but don't kid yourself that the whole band is. Of band memebers on the 03 tour only Cindy Mizelle had a major league commercial resume. Everyone is looking for a better deal or a better gig.

Second, the show has to be sold out for the whole crowd to crackle with that electricity and fire, and it doesan't always happen. It appears SD is not even selling out The Gorge anymore. I think that when the house is packed it ignites both the audience and the band.

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 02:38:51 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hey Ed....seems like you were right about the Roseland gig...your opinion corroborated by many dedicated SD fans!! Not that I didn't trust yours! ......still waiting to hear your Borneo story!

Date: Mon, July 25, 2005, 00:16:06 ET
Posted by: Rose A. Land, the junction

Here is a pix from the Roseland show. The girl in the middle was the one that made the difference. What was her name?!

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 23:52:00 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, looking back....

Roseland was the most quintessentially "Steely" of all venues, right in the heart of Manhattan surrounded by the noise, lights, and scents of the city. Everyone anticipated a great show, we got it. The band played to a very animated home crowd, it was truly a party atmosphere, one of the greatest nights I've ever experienced. When I listen to the Dan, I hear New York, even throughout LA based Aja. Also, for me, that Friday night was the first time I had met many of the people here in person. It was rather amazing seeing the whole SD world come to light that way. Forgive me for sounding schmaltzy if I do, but you really had to be there to feel the full effect. I truly had the best "seat" in the house that night, right up at the stage, in front of Donald. Something I'll never forget.


Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 22:48:12 ET
Posted by: edb, I was there -roseland both nights

I was there both nights- and I have been to about 30 sd shows since
It was the VIBE....the crowd was so into the band both nights
WB said...He had been to lots of SD shows and he said "this was probably the best he had ever been too"



Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 20:46:23 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Mr. LaPage: It's magi, dud. Smirnoff Amp. in Dallas is a tin box, so the acoustics are ...well...there in 2003. But the musicians and vocalists just absolutely nailed every song, particularly the first set. Donald's voice was way IN tune - best I ever heard him - the choir babes and Don were tight tight tigh

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 20:24:38 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

Help me out - what makes one gig of a tour better than another? It has to be the venue, the acoustics, or the crowd. The setlist was, from what I recall, pretty much the same from gig to gig during the EMG tour. Do musicians play better one night than another? I saw the band in Columbus - why was Roseland better?

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 19:31:51 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

The great trumpeter Dave Ballou played trumpet at the two Roseland gigs. His album dedicated to the painter Mark Rothko is amazing. I made a post here at intermission via Blackberry. We all met up at the Novotel before the Friday show. I remember having a long talk with Andy Metzger at the bar.

I managed to sneak into the VIP section where the tables were and for a few minutes I talked with three chicks who were in the best (the only, in Roseland) seats in the house and who had no idea who they were seeing or listening to. It was hilarious. Sting's people were there to check out Keith, as well.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 18:13:34 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, In a quiet place


That's very interesting what you wrote about the Roseland gig. I was not there (and I will probably be kicking myself for missing it and the after gig party with Fogel & Co. for ... ever ...) but I have heard from a lot of people that (just as you said) the Roseland gig was the best of the whole 2003 concert tour. What I wouldn't give to be able to see a video of that show (should such a miracle ever ocurr ...).

The Doctor Wu gig last night at Paladino's was a lot of fun. We started off with a bang and ran from the seat of our pants right through to the finish. Horn section was slammin" ! Tony on lead vocals commands that audience, Gil on guitar did a masterful job (there's only 1 guitarist in this band) and everyone else simply played great. It was really fun to be able to sit in with these guys.

After Doctor Wu, was a Led Zepelin tribute band called "The Led" who were very good. Their new bass player Colin was absolutely fantastic. I left before the Janis Joplin tribute band went on.

Have a great week y'all.


Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 15:35:56 ET
Posted by: drang, steely, zona rosa

Yez, you are correct, and I admit to enjoying a few of the horn charts of TAN--really EMG seemed a bit more slapdash than TAN. Jack of Speed is a SD classic really (could have used maybe a few more chromatic spices) as is Shame about Me (the trumpet riff at end rules) and almost gothic is sort of like earlier katy lied era Dan.

About the only piece I found interesting on EMG was Green Room, which, for all the porn and noir overtones of the lyrics, is a rather interesting and even difficult piece of music. A few other riffs work--Gina, the Last Mall--but I don't think it matches up to TAN or earlier stuff.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 15:19:02 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

SS - man, the place was packed - maybe 20 - 30 people (ha!). They had about 10 SD songs on the list; Peg, Josie, FM, Ricki Don't Lose that Number (which I also did), Do it Again, Hey 19 and a couple others that escape me.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 15:00:44 ET
Posted by: Clas,

den, steely - she is as talent as her brother is the trumpet player.

Brothers-in-law-politics you know.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 14:47:30 ET
Posted by: stem, steely, zona rosa

That's not to malign the poor girl. Mizz Carolyn does do that rickie lee-- joni the yoni smega voice quite effectively, but really I'd rather hear PhilWoods solo (Weiskopf is not badd) or even the slingin' of Carlton or Dias. But what I see, yea a vision, for the Dan-oids Authentique, is like a guide, a network as it Goils, dames, broads, schicksas, ezcorts, biotches---pro and up-n-cumming--featuring their wares and their rates HERE, especially SoCal region (probaly highest number of Danoids- rich and po per square mile (tho some might prolly be located on various govt databases as well). Lend a sistah a Hand. As our Man Don, Poet Laureate of Passaic, yawped, "she's all business but she's ready to play..." so . Bidness.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 14:31:20 ET
Posted by: den, steely, zona rosa

Ya the broad that does the sexxay stuff on she like Talent musical or Talent as in Talent Sepulveda ...i'd wager the latter

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 14:21:23 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Do you mean Carolyn Leonhart?

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 12:30:52 ET
Posted by: SS, LA on a dare

Wow Lepage, how many people in the audience for that one ?

Gutsy call on the song. I didn't know Kid C. was available on karaoke. Is that the only SD tune you could have chosen or were there others ?

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 12:01:53 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

I karaoke'd Kid Charlemagne at a local pub last night. Had my wife, daughter and sister-in-law singing backup. Blew 'em away with "yes there's gas in the car". Fun fun fun.

Date: Sun, July 24, 2005, 04:01:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

peruvian wake - we are indeed the Steely Dan board, no more and no less than Yellow but, and I'll bet my Steely Dan 1993 laminated backstage pass which I won at the Cincy raffle (another story) that we are no MORE or better of a Steely Dan board, just different that's all, and we, well I, love the Beatles' discussion.

tones, we can certainly sustain a bit of a run on an OT Beatle discourse without having to *move our rigg aside* for purposes of the exclusivity on the Blue of such topics.

Hoops will correct me if I'm wrong...and refine perspective, I trust.

Stevee, Tony and Pablito, someone MUST tell me about how the gig went tonight. Couldn't make it do to a previous...wonder how Stevee might have either blended in imperceptively or did effect a tweak in the presentation. He does play a lot of notes all over all ends of the keyboard, to say the very least.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 23:52:57 ET
Posted by: peruvian wake,

Beatles?? On a Dan board? Sheet. The only album I saw worth listening to was Miles' Kind of Blue, tho some us been playin' that for years.... rock was a hysterical scam for the most part......ok a few dead tunes work maybe some hendrix.....but so much noise and so little worth..........all of jimmy page inc. could be congealed into maybe a halfhour if that of grunge...same for trog rock--tho keith emerson could play a bit...a fripp riff or two.....the dan was the Real goods mostly, tho a bit too much schmaltz and R n Bee for some......i can't think of any other band that came near to say Bodhisattva...perhaps some zappa stuff but FZ was all over the place and his p p stuff gets its da showdown FZ and mothers vs Dan and Co.......

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 23:52:48 ET
Posted by: peruvian wake,

Beatles?? On a Dan board? Sheet. The only album I saw worth listening to was Miles' Kind of Blue, tho some us been playin' that for years.... rock was a hysterical scam for the most part......ok a few dead tunes work maybe some hendrix.....but so much noise and so little worth..........all of jimmy page inc. could be congealed into maybe a halfhour if that of grunge...same for trog rock--tho keith emerson could play a bit...a fripp riff or two.....the dan was the Real goods mostly, tho a bit too much schmaltz and R n Bee for some......i can't think of any other band that came near to say Bodhisattva...perhaps some zappa stuff but FZ was all over the place and his p p stuff gets its da showdown FZ and mothers vs Dan and Co.......

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 23:34:28 ET
Posted by: mort a 818, perdido

Down a few brews listening to yahoo's SD Launch Radio, attempting to ignore the beagles, boobies, bobsky, bash and dung, et al, barking ah next to gems like Pretzel Logic or Charlemagne or Royal Scam: What other rock noise stands up like the old tried and true Dan? OK so some of us skip over quite a bit--most of katy lied and aja (though Home at Last makes me think of like Ezra Pound, say, with Stan Kenton or something and the live Josie simmers and crunches)--but it's actually viable music, unlike the product of all the rocksters and hucksters. EMG works, for most part. Pixeleen regardless of cyberpunk visions is a bit schweet. Lunch with Gina (southside bitch ), Green Room ( dread) are fly, as is the Pynchonian splendor The Last Mall. Lets here it for Slinky Redfoot.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 22:07:22 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

FACW, love the new Smile as well.

2004 also saw an AWESOME cover of "Heroes and Villians" by a gent called Geraint Watkins. Head over to for a clip.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 21:20:46 ET
Posted by: FACW,

t: Yes, this horse does look sufficiently beaten now. I'll bring the Elmer's, crayons, and blunt scissors

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 21:08:06 ET
Posted by: t,

FACW - look me up on the yellow... I don't want bum anyone here out for being off topic...

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 19:26:12 ET
Posted by: FACW,

tones: Both moved towards a new type of pop. My recollection of the timeline and competitive dynamics between Brian Wilson/Beach Boys and the Beatles. Off the top of my head - I think the sequence is in the ballpark?...what occurred in late 1965 and early 1966 is a bit of a guess.


1. Beatles release "Beatles '65"
2. Beatles release "Help!"

3. Beach Boys release Don't Worry Baby and California Girls (a real change in direction and sophistication)

4. Beatles release Beatles for Sale

5. Beatles Release "Rubber Soul"

6. Brian impressed with Rubber soul and more sophisticated track the Beatles follow in 1965. Brian and Tony Asher finish songs for Pet Sounds and Brian records a complex multi-tracked studio album

7. Beach Boys release "Pet Sounds"

8. Beatles begin to record "Revolver". Paul talked in detail about Brian Wilson pushing their sound ahead. Besides Pepper, he either said or meant (THC accumulation) to say that Pet Sounds influenced Revolver, Revolver followed Pet Sounds


1. Beatles release Revolver

2. Brian Wilson hears Revolver as he starts to record "Smile." Decides to push the envelope further.

3. Singles from the Smile sessions "Good Vibrations" and Heroes and Villains" are released

4. Brian Wilson continues to record Smile on his own with studio musicians and drugs. Mike Love, Carl and the rest of the touring group pop in to record vocals. Love growing impatient with direction and the "modular" approach to recording (think equivalent of SD sessionmen playing to "clicks."

5. Beatles hear Smile singles and hear some outtakes. Recording for Sgt. Pepper begins

I used the word "plagaraize" loosely since you can't copyright or patent ideas, only finished product. Beg, Steal, and borrow will suffice. (orchestriation, turn of the century affections, harpichord, etc.)

6. Beatles hurry to release Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane as singles.

7. Brian nearing breaking point while closer to finishing Smile. Mike Love, Al Jiardino and touring band freak out when they enter the studio and Brian Wilson is recording and mixing "Mr's O'Leary's Cow" complete with wearing red firehelmet, whistle. They are not on board. Brian in a fragile state goes bonkers.


1, Aborted attempts to finish Smile. Despite almost complete and beautiful version of Surf's Up, Cabin Essence, Wonderful, and expanded versions of Good Vibrations and Heroes and Villains, Smile songs are re-recorded and mixed in an anemic, watered down state.

2. Beatles release Sgt. Pepper to accolades

3. With Brian pretty much locked in his room for the next few decades, Mike Love and the rest of the sane, although less inspired, Beach Boys release Smiley Smile. Imagine Donald and Walter dumping CBAT and releasing The Early Years Demos as their first album.

Brian in an out of reality until the mid 90s. Bits and pieces of Smile songs leak out in weakened and less ambitious forms on subsequent Beach Boys albums.

If Brian had kept hi head together, Smile would have been released in late 1966 or early 1967, and who knows what pop music would be like now. It certainly would be given at least the acclaim historically that Sgt. Pepper is today. Anyway, many of the original session full monty tapes are floating around the internet.

It's amazing to think that in the time segment above, Donald Fagen can finish today...well...about 3 tracks...

2003: Brian Wilson and Van Dykes find the original tapes. At the end of the year. Brian does a full live version of the album in London(?)

April 2004: Brian Wilson re-records Smile in the studio with Stockholm Strings & horns and the Wondermints - I've heard a number of the full monty demos - pretty faithful to the original vision and recordings. Age, passing of Carl, and feud with Mike Love result in the vocals missing a bit of the Beach Boy magic, but the arrangements and performances of the musicians are stellar. Still the best album of 2004.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 17:37:44 ET
Posted by: t, upon further review...

FACW - scrolled a bit further and saw you original post saying "SF/PL" were from the Pepper sessions...

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 17:11:05 ET
Posted by: tones, I'd love to turn you on...

FACW - We may want to continute this conversation over on the yellow where we can yell at each other and call each other names off topic :-) but... "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" were originally part of the Pepper sessions, not the Revolver sessions, and was rush released between Pepper and Revolver in early '67 to appease the record label (they were taking "too long" to complete Pepper. Imagine if it had been Steely Dan... lol...). And Paul has said Pet Sounds *inspired* him to try harder for Pepper, but I don't think there is even the remotest resemblance between Pepper and Pet Sounds (btw, I love them both) other than the animal noises. In fact, I think the biggest influence Pet Sounds had is that the Beatles turned in their best vocal performances of their recording career on Pepper. The arrangements are more mature on Pet Sounds, but the Beatles were working in a rock context, and Pet Sounds almost completely abandons the rock format.

And as for "Pepper sounds like plagarizes almost half of its ideas from the original Smile outtakes anyway"... well, Pepper was released 3 months before Smiley Smile, so I don't think you have a case for plagerism there. The Brian Wilson Smile dvd has an interesting annecdote about the release of "Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane" - apparently Brian heard it the first time on the car radio one night while driving with Van Dyke Parks (I think...) and pulled over to the side of the road to listen. Aftewards he said something to the effect of, "They beat me to it." There were other factors involved of course, but he stopped working on Smile soon afterwards.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 16:45:08 ET
Posted by: Goebbels, Berlin


Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 15:40:19 ET
Posted by: D, Bon Marche

Hey Mu Dean Parks is on the new Lauren Ellis album

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 15:37:17 ET
Posted by: FACW,

C: This is all subjective. Didn't say it was a bad song - it's very good. Just overrated. I can pick out 30 Neil Finn melodies that are better. Paul's bridge just doesn't work for me.

Compare Day with "Wonderful" from Smile. Wonderful or God Only Knows from Pet Sounds are infintely better compositions IMHO. The Beatles had already released the paradigm-shifting Revolver in response to Pet Sounds and thus Backward masking, orchestral accents had been already out there, especially if we include Strawberry Fields along with Revolver. To me the jump from Rubber Soul to Revolver is FAR greater than the step to Pepper, and it's even smaller if we think of it following the SF single release. I was way too young then to have experienced it, but I can only imagine the head spinning feeling when a high school kid or college dude put the needle down for the first time on "Taxman" and blew the freakin' speakers out!

Pepper sounds like plagarizes almost half of its ideas from the original Smile outtakes anyway - floating around in tape sharing and internet form and scattered among albums for 28 years until the release of the complete form Smile last year...the clues were there even with the incomplete Smiley Smile release. Anyway, the finally finshed Smile makes it abundantly clear in my mind Who influenced Who.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 15:15:42 ET
Posted by: I read the news today...,

The most overrated song ever? If it wasn't Dr Mu who said that, I wouldn't believe it.


Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 14:04:01 ET
Posted by: Crewman, Aboard the "True Companion"

Chrysler, I have to disagree with your assessment of post-IV Zeppelin. Regarding IV, I don't hear an ounce of prog on that album, whether manifested in pomp or unnecessary technique. If we're talking about, for example, the odd-time Black Dog riff, contributed by Jonesy, it was merely a welcome sign of things to come: his creativity would drive the second half of the band's career, and do it damn well.

How many iterations of II would have been enough? It's not likely that that kind of material would've been done much better the second or third time around. Looking at their first four in sequence (and acknowledging the considerable differences between them), there is/was every reason to believe that this was a band worth watching.

It is my long-held belief that Zeppelin absolutely did not peter out over time. They played with conviction, soul, and inventiveness until the bitter end, and then gracefully gave up the stage to whomever might've been next in line. Quite a bit more than what can be said for a certain few ancient quartets whose carcasses are still (apparently) animated...

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 12:20:03 ET
Posted by: FACW,

I should add to the fav list Brian wilson's Smile. Sure Brian's voice is a little rougher and we miss Carl and Mikes vocals, but not only is the whole better than the parts, but the arrangements and construction and completeness surpass recordings like Wonderful and the singles Heroes and Villains and Good Vibration leaked out on Smiley Smily, Wild Honey, etc. The middle suite of Wonderful/Song for Children/Child is the Father of the Man/Surf's Up is as good as anything ever recorded in the pop world.

There was a rumour that the Beatles heard some of the Smile - now we knw where the turn of the century psychedelia came from. Anyway this blows Sgt. Pepper away. My take on Sgt. Pepper is that it suffers from some weak cuts and the absense of Strawberry fields and Penny Lane, which were the 1st 2 songs recorded in the Pepper session, only to be released as singles and ending ou of the poppy Odds and Sods Magic Mystery Tour. Fing a Hole is by far the best song on Pepper. Day in the Life has to be the most overrated song ever recorded.

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 11:35:32 ET
Posted by: edb, home

Good Morning

I stumbled across this


Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 11:28:48 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Chrysler: My affinity for Zep I and II is far greater than IV (Zoso). Perhaps I've heard it too often. Perhaps it's an album that really doesn't reveal much more after repeated listens. You may cringe but I almost prefer the overlooked innovation of In Through the Out Door and continued with some of Plant's Principle of Moments (Phil Collins last? artistic stand)

Date: Sat, July 23, 2005, 10:17:25 ET
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PA

Other artists' PEPPER (read: stylistic watershed, but not necessarily their best, album):

Zep: ZOSO (aka IV, UNTITLED, what have you-- back in the day, we all called it ZOSO)

The first Beatles album I owned, and my favorite to this day, is MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR. Yeah, I know it's a patched-together record, but so what? One of the most underrated albums of all time by anyone. PEPPER is one of the most overrated (somewhat)albums of all time, although it IS their watershed, and it's still a very great one-- I mean we're talking the Beatles here.

Ditto Zep's ZOSO-- it was really the beginning of the end for the Zeppelins, IMHO. Meticulous prog-rock craftsmanship rather than uncanny, cosmic folk/bluesy inspiration. More concisely, craftsmanship has taken over from inspiration here. And it was all downhill from there. "Achilles' Last Stand" and "Kashmir" compared to the ASTONISHING Aleistar Crowley/John Lee Hooker-induced sorcery of "What Is And What Should Never Be" and "The Lemon Song," for instance?
Give me a friggin break . . .

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 23:19:13 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

A quick followup... I just thought to look for the soundtrack to the Rob Zombie movie "The Devil's Rejects" and found it listed on There are 29 tracks, about evenly divided between movie "sound bites" and tunes. Looks like all the artists the reviewer mentioned are on the disc EXCEPT Steely Dan! Unfortunately, this means someone would actually have to SEE the movie to find out which Dan tune(s) might be featured and in what context (unless the Inquirer reviewer got it wrong). Probably not worth it. I mean, I'm curious, but not THAT curious. Sure doesn't sound like MY kind of movie. (I do like weird movies on occasion, but they have to be weird with a point, not just weird for the sake of weird.)

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 21:48:00 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Favs at the moment

SD: Katy Lied
Donald Fagen: The Nightfly
Stevie Wonder: Talking Book
Al Green: Greatest Hits
Horace Silver; Horace Scope
Joe Henderson/Kenny Dorham: Una Mas/ Our Thing
Miles Davis: Cookin' (studio)
Beatles: Help!/Rubber Soul/Revolver (British versions)
Who: The Who Sell Out
Branford Marsalis: Renaissance
Kenny Garrett: Songbook
Crowded House: Together Alone
Ben Folds: Rockin' the Suburbs
Prefab Sprout: Two Wheels Good/ From Langley Park to Memphis/Jordan the Comeback
REM: Document/Automatic for the People
Little Feat: Waiting for Columbus
Traffic: John Barleycorn Must Die
Tony Williams w/ Allan Holdsworth; Believe It
Boz Scaggs: Silk Degrees
Beach Boys: Pet Sounds
Randy Newman: Sail Away/Good Old Boys/Bad Love
Earth, Wind, & Fire: Greatest Hits
Elvis Costello: This Year's Model/Armed Forces

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 16:26:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Beatles - Sgt. Pepper
Dylan - Nashville Skyline
Who - Who's Next
Stones - Exile on Main Street
Dan - Aja
Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Clapton - Layla
Davis - Kind of Blue
U2 - Achtung Baby

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 16:12:41 ET
Posted by: woody, canada

As an avid self proclaimed Beatle nut - IMHO Pepper is NOT their best. However, I agree with your proclamation of using "Pepper" as an adjective to describe an artists best. I like to use the adjective "White Album" to describe an artists ambiguous efforts. Personally, I find it more gratifying whenever an established artist "pushes the envelope", rather then follow a formula.

My selections for "Pepper" are;

Beatles - Abbey Road
Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
Who - Who's Next
Stones - Let It Bleed
Dan - Pretzel Logic
Hendrix - Axis: Bold As Love
Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Clapton - 461 Ocean Blvd.
Davis - Kind of Blue
U2 - Joshua Tree

My selections for "White Album" are;

Beatles - White Album
Dylan - Bringing It All Home
Who - Quarophenia
Stones - Exile on Main Street
Dan - Aja (yet I hold reservations on this selection as I do not think we have seen their most ambiguous effort - which in itself would be monumentous)
Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Floyd - The Wall
Clapton - Layla and other assorted love songs
Davis - Bitches Brew
U2 - Unforgettable Fire

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 14:48:07 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Over Here

Daddy G. - Very interesting article about the music business.

Rajah, I too always thought that it was fun to watch the Capitol Records orange/yellow stripe go around and around as a kid. Revolver and Rubber Soul are the two Beatles records I listen to the most. Revolver is my absolute favorite.

When an artist or a group release their finest album (when looking back over the sting of albums they released) it is often refered to as their "Sgt. Pepper's" album. It might be interesting to see what people here think are various artists/groups Sgt. Pepper's releases. Just a stab at something new to get more people to give us a glimpse into their views on music in general.

For Example, what do people here think are the Sgt. Pepper's releases from:

Bob Dylan
The Who
The Stones
Those Steely Folk (probably Aja gets the full consensus)
Jimi Hendrix
Pink Floyd
The Doobie Bros.
and on and on

C'mon kids, give it a try.

Alkali - that is a great story about your Bar Mitzvah'd nephew. It gives us fossils some glimmer of hope for the future.

Have a nice weekend everyone ... Doctor Wu tomorrow night at Paladino's in Reseda, California (The Valley, Dudes)


Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 13:58:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Rubber Soul and Revolver parallel Katy Lied and Royal Scam in terms of development. As do Pepper and Aja. There's a through line progression of sorts there kinda.

Now Hoops, let's be judicious about those pictures. Name your price.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 13:41:20 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

So, the wife and i are watching "me, myself and Irene" again for the benefit of my nephew who spent the night.
well,almost half way through the movie he turns to me and says "that was a cool song" and just a little later again he says " that was cool"
i told him that he would like the original music much better...
so after the movie was over i let him hear the Dan the way it was meant to be heard.
we took a drive around the city and listened to acouple of cuts from
every CD from CBT all the way to EMG and then to my amazement and pleasure he said "that's so cool,how come i don't hear them on the radio?"
i told him, in essence,that it was a good question.
over the weekend my 13 year old nephew had his Bar Mitvah and 'became a man'i think i may have Inadvertently created a Dan Fan. what a right of passage!

can't wait to see the Dan Fest photos!


Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 13:30:30 ET
Posted by: ph, way offtopic

Raj, "For No One" is probably one of my favs too. I just love that entire album. I know most people think SGT PEPPER's or ABBEY ROAD were the Beatles' best, but in my book, REVOLVER and RUBBER SOUL tie for the best album.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 12:55:25 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chi Chi Town

So, last night the girlfriend and I are watching the documentry Robert Evans bio "The Kid Stays in the Picture" and Evans eventually gets to be head of Paramount studios and it is showing clips from the early 70's and they are playing "Dirty Work" in the background later on the do a quick clip from "Do it Again". Just thought I would mention it as it perked me up as I was watching.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 12:45:17 ET
Posted by: fezo, backwoods

Didn't know Crowell had turned back to rock. I've always preferred his more country-themed stuff but who am I to say? In either genre, he's a great writer.

I've always thought his 2001 disc, Houston Kid, was one of the best releases of the decade so far. It is a sad commentary on the industry that it didn't get more play than it did

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 12:37:55 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Just a couple things in today's Philly Inquirer Weekend section which caught my attention, one Steely-related in a minor way, the other is just about current music biz in general. First the musical, but non-steely one:

Ex-hitmaker Rodney Crowell pursues "another kind of relevancy" with his music.
By Nick Cristiano, Inquirer Staff Writer

>>> Crowell first made his name in Emmylou Harris' storied Hot Band - she sings on the new album, including a beautiful duet on Bob Dylan's "Shelter From the Storm" - but he chafes at still being considered a country artist. "The Outsider" is a rock record, tautly melodic and guitar-driven. It also has a topical bent - Crowell said he wrote most of it last year while in Europe, watching the American presidential campaign from afar.

The country-music issue aside, Crowell admits he has it pretty good right now. Long respected as a writer by his peers, he is able to subsidize his artistic endeavors through other artists' versions of his songs. Keith Urban just spent five weeks atop the country charts with Crowell's "Making Memories of Us." (He has also been an in-demand producer, but he says he is "semi-retired" from that job, NO LONGER HAVING THE PATIENCE TO DEAL WITH RECORD-COMPANY POLITICS.) <<<

CAPITALIZED EMPHASIS mine, of course. Just yet another sign of the state of music in general these days. I also found the article semi-relevant when it goes on to say:

>>> He is taking full advantage of the financial freedom - he and his band are hitting the road hard. And even though "The Outsider" is not due out until Aug. 9, he is giving audiences a healthy preview of it.

"My audience for the most part is a fan of my songwriting," Crowell says. "They're good to hear me come out and play five songs from the new record in a row. . . . A friend says that's the kiss of death to do that, but they seem to make it through it with me." <<<

That "kiss of death" comment is probably right. Seems to me there were a lot of folks who went to Steely Dan shows and only wanted to hear the classic rock-oriented tunes, but left to get a beer when the band started playing something unfamiliar off the recent CDs. Now, I'm not the type to go out and try to pick up on what all the cool kids are listening to these days, but I'll never understand why folks pay good money to see an artist whose work they obviously like and yet they don't have the patience to sit there and try to really listen to something new by the same artist. Oh well, just a general observation there, but everybody's different.

Now the minor Steely item, a movie review of "The Devil's Rejects" (2 stars out of 4):

David Hiltbrand, Philadelphia Inquirer

>>> Hollywood, meet heavy-metal madness. Rob Zombie, the head-banging musician currently touring with OzzFest, takes another thick-booted step into filmmaking with "The Devil's Rejects," his lurid sequel to 2003's "House of 1000 Corpses."

. . . .

There are Cheech and Chong movies with more plot.

. . . .

As you would expect from someone with Zombie's musical background, THE SCORE IS VERY EFFECTIVE. It incorporates a number of great pop oldies from Elvin Bishop, the James Gang, STEELY DAN, David Essex, the Allman Brothers, and others.

But the innocent familiarity of these songs only makes what is going on on the screen seem that much more shocking. With "The Devil's Rejects," the lunatic is filming the asylum. <<<

I would assume it's probably only one Dan tune in the movie, no idea which one. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 10:12:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

That's cool, HeyMike, don't assume cynical retorts. This is the Blue, where birdies twitter and butterflies flutter abroad. Unless somebody deserves to get flayed alive, that is.

Wasn't there also an autobiography Jane did on the Beatle years?

My favorite Jane song is For No One. Paul really got down with his bad self there but I have to believe John helped on the lyric cause it's got all that internal assonance and albeit a heartbreak song, it isn't dopey at all. One of their best.

Peter and Gordon were a bit of all right, little drippy but 45s of World Without Love, I Go to Pieces, Woman, Lady Godiva, Knight in Rusty Armour remain on my shelf. Paid 77 cents each for them away back then, nice shiny color sleeves. Loved watching that Capitol 45 label spin around, the yellow and orange. Trippy.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 09:12:19 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban Streets

Jane Asher wrote a book several years back about childrens parties and my niece is in it! I know-you're happy for me.

Date: Fri, July 22, 2005, 09:10:49 ET
Posted by: ph, Beatles fanatic #208478933

There's a whole string of Beatles songs supposedly written for Asher, including "Michelle Mabelle" and "I'm Looking Through You".
At least, that's what Paul said in the Anthology.

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 23:48:44 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Wow!! So that's what Peter Asher is up to!! I remember him from my early teens, as a cute "pop" singer with his friend Gordon Waller (Peter and Gordon - "A World without Love") and he was famous for his sandy Beatle cut and was very "posh"! His sister Jane was Paul McCartney's fiancee and the song "She was just 17" was written for her (or so rumour has it!!). Interesting to see that yet another British brain has joined the "brain drain"!! Can't blame him! Good luck to you Peter! Do a good job for our Donald!


Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 21:25:57 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks from me also as I also didn't know Asher had become Fagen's manager. Peter Asher has quite a varied career in the music biz. Pretty amazing.

Getting some Cincy shots together for the web.


Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 17:45:27 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

Thanks Ron - you learn something new everyday.

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 17:14:08 ET
Posted by: Ron Delsner,

Mr. Lapage,
Because Peter Asher is DF manager.

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 15:50:59 ET
Posted by: Amelia Ray,


Talented guitarist and friend Jon Herington dropped by the studio last week to lend hisŢgifts,Ţand add some grit to Music For Autistic People. We're getting excited, folks! And if youŢtake a look atŢ Jon's web site, then maybe you'll be as excited as we are! We'll post some more sound samples soon!

Also, Kristina Sablan will be joining me tomorrow (Friday) night at the Blue Rock Shoot in Saratoga. California

Blue Rock Shoot
14523 Big Basin Way
Saratoga, CA

Tickets available at Ticketweb,


Amelia Ray

Amelia Ray's Website:
Jon Herington's Website:
Music for Autistic People Page:
Blue Rock Shoot:
Kristina Sablan:

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 12:42:15 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

Why would Peter Asher be meeting with DF recently? Anybody know?

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 12:40:01 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan,

Dicky is apparently in the Loo.

Complete sentences? Or are you referring to a Brubeck album?

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 04:14:10 ET
Posted by: dickylu, moon

Raj.Fk bro TIME OUT ?

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 00:50:19 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Over Here, to the left

I must say that it's really something special to see how excited everyone is over the Cincy DanFest. It makes me think that I am a little less crazy (than I usually think I am)due to my intense love for this music, knowing that so many people still get so excited over the whole shebang.

I went to the AJA band's website to wish them great success prior to the weekend, and I would like to now congratulate them on realizing that success. I would have loved to be there to meet the band personally and to also see some of the people I have "Blue Booked" and "Yellow Paged" with over the years. Maybe we could find a way to coerce some of you to get out to Southern California to spend an evening (aw Hell, how 'bout a lost weekend !) with us ... but that's not important right now.

Here's what I really want to say:

Evidently ... AJA ... YOU GUYS ROCK !!!
Good On Ya !!!

Head Marketing Chimp for
Pretzel Logic - A Steely Dan Revue
Los Angeles, California

Date: Thurs, July 21, 2005, 00:33:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, we're having a heatwave........

Thanks to the Aja band for such a great event last Sunday! And of course thanks to Pete and Shari, Hoops, Bernard, and all who made the afternoon/evening such a wonderful time. Great to see everyone, Alan, Gail, B'way Steve, Geoff, the fabulous Toya, Keith, Matt, and everyone else in the "family." Looking forward to our next gathering, but, in the meantime, I'll be coordinating the Johnson family reunion '06. Namaste and goodnight.


Date: Wed, July 20, 2005, 20:11:24 ET
Posted by: Earthbound, West Laughalot

Wow. Great partay in Cincy. AJA really played their hearts out.
And adding the HitMaker to the mix did the trick...again. Woosh all y'all coulda been there. Sure looking fwd to '06.

You've seen the setlist. It's still tough to call a fave. Maybe
Black Cow for me. But what about Bodhisattva? Uh-huh...whew.

So what do we call this roving, raving, thriving, throng that
show up to these gatherings??? Time stood still for a few hours
there, and that's significant. It's so hard to feel that level of
emotion elsewhere. It's the peeps, man, that's what it IS! Seeing
Pete & Shari, hoops, Geoff, Matt, Gail, Chris, Toya again, in the same room, singing the same songs, word-for-word, and hearing the tales anew. Thanks to all. Especially the band, Bernard, and all the new faces, like Luke and Gretchen and RAJAH! And big phat hugs to all the fine folks of Cincy who showed that it can be done.
Love you all.

Has it really been ten years since I first Sign(ed)InStranger? Zowie.

Earthbound Keith

Date: Wed, July 20, 2005, 16:41:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Well exxccuuuuuse me girlfriend, with all these friggin Steely Dan bands around, who can keep them all straight???

BTW smarty pants, I Am the Turban and so, no, the Turban is not possessed, I mean, possession of the Turban is not strictly within the province of the Turban wearer but he who perceives whom is the true possessor of the Turban and uneasy lies that head under it, the Turban that is, on which it is, oh screw it, look, I am the damn Rajah of Erase, OK wise-ass, we know, oh just fuckin forget it.

Baba Identity Crisis Rajah

Date: Wed, July 20, 2005, 16:18:09 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, One of 2 "A" List Cities

Her Brother ˝ Oh Brother !!! Get your facts straight, you silly person. Though it is a fact that I do own the Pretzel Logic name, I am not interested in frivolous law suits. ThereÝs got to be a significant benefit to hassle ratio. Very funny Bro.

And speaking of getting your facts straight,
RAJAH - , I am surprised at you !!!
Warren has performed entire shows with The Steely Fan Band (R.I.P.) and with Pretzel Logic ˝ A Steely Dan Revue (the band was his baby by the way). Warren and I are huge supporters of Doctor Wu, but I donÝt believe that Warren has taken the helm at lead vocals for Wu at least not for an entire set, or show. DonÝt make me come over there and repossess that turban I gave you many moon ago. Besides, you are certainly aware that you do not possess the turban, the turban possesses you !

And speaking of Doctor Wu ...

ThatÝs right kids ... here we go again ... itÝs time for ...




Date: Wed, July 20, 2005, 13:12:17 ET
Posted by: hemiola, southwest

rare live sd with Denny Dias and Michael McDonald..King of the World
first item

Date: Wed, July 20, 2005, 03:42:26 ET
Posted by: Clas,

FAWC - and that you are telling me now! You son of a... gun! I'm gonna track you down in Texas.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 23:59:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Geoff: I've no doubt!! There's a tradition in NW England for loving its "soul" acts and the "Drifters" and
"Three Degrees" appear very regularly in the northern cabaret clubs - the audience is usually people over 50 of course!! But these metamorphosed forms of the original bands make a decent living "up North". The 4 Tops were the original successful soul band, so even seeing one or two of them perform live is a huge treat for their fans - helps them re-live their teens!!

An interesting "Dan related" spin off, was that by the mid-70s, "Northern Soul" had metamorphosed in to a sub-culture of dance music, centering around Wigan, an industrial town about 25 miles west of Manchester. The Wigan Casino became the Mecca of the dance world and kids would do the "Pilgrimage" from all over the country!! One of my British colleagues out here in Borneo told me that as a teenager he would do the trek from Devon, in SW England, 300 plus miles, up to the Wigan Casino (that's a long way in the UK!!). The dance music chosen was always of a certain "style" so the kids could do incredible gymnastics to it. Their dancing was unbelievably energetic and frenetic. Many of the kids I was teaching at the time would go there and in school discos would demonstrate their dancing. They were brilliant! If you remember Tavares' "Heaven must be missing an angel", then that was the sort of stuff they were dancing to. Some of their music would cross over to the mainstream charts...and the most unbelievable track the kids picked up on was a re-mix of "Long Train Running" by the Doobie Bros....this would be around 1976/7, so it was after the original idea if Skunk had any hand in the re-mixing...anyway it was a major dance hit here and the dance version crossed over on to the mainstream charts if my memory serves me correctly!

It's amazing what turns people on to music!! But as long as they enjoy it, that's all that matters!!


Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 22:09:39 ET
Posted by: Geoff,

Ann - Aren't there ony two tops left? Levi stubbs is one of them.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 20:51:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Well, what can I say? I got home after midnight (which would be after 1 AM Cincy time) so I am pretty exhausted today. But what a great time and thanks. Will write more tomorrow. Thanks again.


Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 19:08:29 ET
Posted by: FACW,

tones: Exactly. One can be immersed in that level of signal-to-noise ratio right here on the internet. For free. No Jacksons to lay down... and it's almost real-time entertaining...

Raj: Clas' wallet was evidently up on the hill across the Ohio next some muffler parts that fell off our AAU state wrestiling bus many years ago. We ended up in a flea-bag hotel with old men huddled around a b/w set in the corner, hookers in tube tops outside the fornt entrence, and bugs of every genus crawling around the matresses. We stayed out and drank screwdrivers all night.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 16:59:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Clas - I found your wallet in a pawn shop on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River. But the $500 was gone, dude. Old guy behind the counter said some skanky hoe brought it in a while back, told him a sob story about how this freaky guy with a Scandanavian accent blew into town dressed as Agnetha Fattskog in an ABBA tribute band called, "BAABA," banged her silly backstage and split. But she picked his pocket before he snuck out down truck dock, leaving only a fading memory and his blonde wig and platform shoes behind. BTW buddy, are you sitting down? You have a 23 year old son who sends his love, they named him Frida.

Baba Yabba ABBA Dabba Doo Rajah

Kidding aside, my sincere condolences on the passing of Pompe.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 15:05:19 ET
Posted by: RICK AUHAGEN " The Voice of Dan", Cincinnati

To all the wonderfull Dan fans and friends who got to attend our Dan FEST IN Cincinnati,we thank you,greatly.I am the vocalist for the AJA tribute band,and me and my family could not be happier about the fun we had at the show,or the humbling comments so many of you have either wriiten,or told me directly about at the show.Its nice to know true fans know that vocally you cant really reproduce someone elses voice,only try your best to capture the soul of the song, and the music.And thats what i hope to do.From me and my wife,and our 11 year old daughter,who i hope to raise to keep the spirit ot the DANS music alive for another generation,and along with my band mates,we thank you.

The Voice of Dan

Rick Auhagen

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 13:21:48 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


They were rivals of mine in the nicest sense of the word.

The 'Dan acts I was involved with (Danny Steel Orchestra, Dan Collective, Dan Quartet) are sadly no more and I am involved in another ridiculously ambitious project, but that is, as they say, another story. LOL

Nearly Dan are worth a look/listen though. A little "cabaret", in the vocal sense, for my liking.

You should, however, be warned that they do claim, for reaons best known to themselves, to play "note perfect" renditions of the material. This, I know from personal experience, is most certainly NOT the case. LOL

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 12:23:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - and very green (and it ain't because of the jungle!)

Hi all you lucky Dan Fest people!

Being of a calm disposition, and not possessing a jealous bone in my body, it was fantastic to read your write-ups about the event and I have promised myself that I deserve to go to the next one! Glad you all had a great time!!

However, ones self-control has been severely tested tonight, as I decided to check the events listing from mid-September to mid-December in Manchester, where the Off-Spring will soon be heading (as long as she gets the required grades!!). She arrives to John Legend and Jamiroquai on the same night (10th Sept) and departs with Rod Stewart, Human League and Duran Duran in mid-December, and in-between I counted at least 28 major acts that would be of interest to either me or her, including Bob Dylan, Queen, Simply Red, Steve Vai, Nils Lofgren, Back Street Boys (?!), Paul Carrack (sounds familiar!), Greg Lake, Wish Bone Ash, Jon Anderton, Alice Cooper, Twisted Sister (?!), Everly Bros, Status Quo, Joss stone, Michael Buble, 4 Tops and Temptations and quite a few more British artists who you guys may not know.

Now I know why I'm always singing the praises of the city. If you're ever going to the UK, forget London, head for Manchester!!
I'm just a bit worried about when she's going to get her studying done......and that credit card I've just given her.....!!

While going through the events list I came across an item at a small venue, featuring the "Nealy Dan". Followed it up and came up with this one:

Bassicinstinct: Is this your lot or some rivals??

Well, I'm looking forward to a gig-free summer holiday stuck in Borneo and asking it time I moved on????


Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 12:10:01 ET
Posted by: tones,

Paul C - that's one of the annoying things about Sweet's book: The Dan is nothing if not detail oriented, and most of us fans dissect the music down to the smallest minutiae. So even if most of it is accurate to a degree, to read a biography that has so many innaccuracies makes me suspect even the stuff I'm fairly sure is true. Of course I'm a cynical bastard, so ymmv...

Raj, bway, others... thanks for the Cincy playxplay...

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 08:54:20 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, entering computer addiction rehab today

In the several years since I began covering Dan in the style that I do my own solo acoustic material in , this was my most gratifying performance.It took me a long time to be able to "come out" and share it with the likes of you people.As with most human fear this one seemes to have been an illusion too.People gave me their business cards , offered me gigs in town and the band members themselves gave me genuine approval which really help lift my generally low self esteem. I take liberties with the material as you would expect but person after person would stop in front of me and say , " Damn " , smiling and shaking their heads.You may hear the lounge player do a song or 2 but not a whole body of material covered.Thanks board , friends and the band for the generosity of your approval.

BwaySteve PICKIN' DAN setlist:

The Last Mall
Lunch With Gina
Everything Must Go
Black Friday
Bad Sneakers
Kid Charlemagne
Century's End
Jack Of Speed
Janey Runaway
Green Earrings
Pretzel Logic
Caves Of Altamira

Rajah : Thanks for naming the players and for taking notes .I felt like a dick for not doing the same.Raj and I sat on a riser in the bar after the show listening to the older stuff , harmonizing on the chorus. For we who have this insanely deep connection with the material that few people can share, these moments allow a unique outward expression of this energy.I think that this is the real value of one of these events...


Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 08:11:51 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Yes, 'tis I!!

Small world eh? LOL

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 04:55:44 ET
Posted by: C,

bwaySteve - Ah! Thanx! If someone send it to you I give you 7 percent of the fivehundred bucks.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 01:58:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

John Stankorb - Guitar
Steve Langemo - Guitar

They did indeed carve the solos out between themselves, John is obviously a polished and experienced rock-man and Steve had that jazzy edge. They were in synch and were mixed down juuuss right, never stepped on each others' toes.

Bill Jackson - Bass, solid bottom
Adam Wheeler - Drums, kept imperceptibly ahead of everything
Eric Baumgartner - Roland PD-7000 Electric Piano, not flashy, just damn good
Bryan Stanton - Sax, good attack and a very nice suit
Evan Wheeler - Trumpet, 3rd Guitar on Bodhisattva, very tasty accents
Aretta Baumgartner - Vocals, loved watching her, great energy, cute black A-line frock
Jackie Chitwood - Vocals, good glissando & sustinuto

Rick Auhagen - Lead Vocalist, he did not misstep, he did not attempt to sound like Fagen, he was his own man. Like Bway Steve, I don't dig impersonators, if you happen to sound somewhat like Donald, fine, but I like to hear a guy do his own thing. Rick had great tone and carried the ball with command. NOT easy to ride nine horses at once, SD tributes are big-riggs. Good singers put an audience at ease, we never had to worry, hey, he even maintained poise and control at all times and that's no mean feat.

Our BwaySteve played prior to the party on a beautiful golden cut-away acoustic he puchased at that great guitar shop on 48th whose name escapes me now, it had a tuning mechanism built into the darn thing, lovely instrument. Steve does wonderful treatments of SD, a samba feel and he really re-interprets the songs, which is something I wish more SD players would do. I love hearing these songs messed with, tweaked and altered. His EMG, Gina and PL were revelations and he fleshed them out with his dulcet sandy vocals. He, like former Dr. Wu singer, Warren Weinberg, have a singular "feel" for these songs, they really own them. Thank you, Steve.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 00:22:39 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

Regarding Sweet's book, and sorry for nitpicking, but to call it "not very accurate at all" isn't fair.

98 percent of it was spot-on, but there were a spate of inaccuricies. Par for the course for a first-time writer.

To call it "not very accurate at all" makes it sound like the book was bollocks from cover to cover. It's still well-worth a read, and your money, and is a fine resource.

Date: Tues, July 19, 2005, 00:16:01 ET
Posted by: Her Brother, Burinig with rage.......

FACW- Re: Sweet's book, not very accurate at all.

It was great meeting everybody in Cincy as well. The Aja band did a great job! I didn't realize the band's original name was "Pretzel Logic". That was until Steevedan called the band leader up and threatened to sue him if he didn't change the name. Maybe Donald and Walter should sue Steevedan!

I thought the Q&A with Purdie,Hoops and Pete was great! That video slide show of past "Dan" players was fantastic! What a nice touch to such a great event. I've seen five Steely Dan tribute bands and these guys might have been the best. Rajah, you're a wild man!

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 23:06:27 ET
Posted by: Steve Langemo, Cincinnati

Hi all! Steve here, one of the guitarists from the Cincy Dan band. Had a great time at the gig yesterday and it had much to do with the Dan fans from this board who attended. Thanks to Hoops, Pete, Rajah, Broadway Steve, Geoff, and the rest. We love being involved in Walter and Donald's music and to have a bunch of rabid Dan fans and musicologists in attendance was amazing. What a colorful bunch of people to hang out with. I would definitely travel to other Dan-related events to hang out with this crowd again. Thanks for a great time guys!


Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 21:28:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.

Great sets by AJA, these guys were very well prepared even though their last proper rehearsal was a week ago Sunday. They played together, the mix was smooth and balanced (not an easy thing with SD), they listened to each other, they gave each other space. Very unselfish. And Mr. Purdie sat in on two numbers:

Green Earrings
Black Friday
Night by Night
Pretzel Logic
Deacon Blues
Cousin Dupree
Babylon Sisters(Purdie) the shuffle was tight as ever
Kid Charlemange(Purdie) OK, I would've hated to be the Aja drummer following this number

Black Cow
Bad Sneakers
Janie Runaway
Hey 19

After that the dance party broke out.

Thank you to the band, especially Steve Langemo, great solos on N by N and Josey as well as Arnetta Baumgartner for making us feel so welcome. The band is very tight and professional, no flies on them.

Hoops was very gracious as MC, displaying his famous boyish charm, thank you Jim. Pete Fogel also lots of fun as always, what a character, good story teller, thanks Pete.

But here's the news. Now I don't think I'm telling tales out of school because Mr. Purdie, who has a book coming out next year BTW, told the crowd (maybe 250-300 folks) flat out that a tour for 2006 is in the offing, to quote him, "they will be going out next year, Japan and Hawaii, the money has already been paid." Now is it a Steely Dan tour or a Donald tour? Only Japan and Hawaii so far? Anywhere else? Deposits of earnest dough for venues, equipment, musicians? I tried to weedle more info out of Pete but he wasn't spilling anything, locked up tight as Ft. Knox, I should have brough the sodium pentathal.

But there is hope, Mrs. Calabash. More info to come hopefully.

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 21:15:32 ET
Posted by: AJAmusic, Cincinnati


On behalf of the band I wanted to send a big thank you to all the wonderful people from the BlueBook who helped make SD Fest '05 a big success. It was great meeting so many fine folk who share a common love and appreciation for the music. I especially enjoyed hanging with you all 'after hours' in the hotel bar. A special thanks to Bway Steve for setting the tone for the whole event with his terrific solo interpretations of many Dan classics as people were entering the facility. Additional special thanks to Pete Fogel and Hoops for sharing the MC duties so splendidly and providing us with the rare SD video prior to the show. Thanks for the warm welcome into the 'Dan' community!

See you at Steely Dan Fest '06!

(keyboards - Aja)

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 20:40:50 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, Home At Last

Had the best time at Danfest '05.The band rocked,real staging and totally professional sound people who did an amazing job turning a large hotel banquet facility into a music venue. This production was a model of event creation.There were trays of fruit , vegetables and cheeses( which they replaced as they emptied) and a real bar.The digital projector played non-stop displaying interesting photos and there was a video production highlighting past danfan moments on the recent tour . There was a video of one of the EMG shows which brought back memories.This was a class event.The band Aja was tremendous consisting of some excellent Cincinnati players and singers who were very tight and motivated as this was the first gig they played having recently made some personnel changes. This unit was definitely guitar driven, the two main players carving up the parts in a very creative way, each had incredible chops .The keyboard player was true to the records and did some cool soloing.One trumpet and one sax covered horns and they were surprisingly adequate. One of the horn guys also played guitar and the three of them did an incredible Bodhisattva.The bass player stayed true to the simplicity of Steely Dan bass parts and I have to hand it to the sound people who kept him in the mix despite the length of the room and low ceiling which kills rock and roll sound.
I felt the singer did an excellent job of covering the Fagen vocals . I have seen guys try to "act" the part which I find a little annoying. I hope Hoops will be able to name each of the players who deserve recognition and as usual I have forgotten half of their names. ( party brain deficit).
The drummer was probably the youngest player in the unit and also an excellent singer who did a memorable Cousin Dupree.He sat back on the stool after Purdey's incredible numbers undeterred.There were 2 Female singers who provided appropriate authenticity to the sound.
Without a doubt , the high point of the performance was when Bernard Purdey sat down and demonstrated his famous shuffle.I was surprised at the monsterous power of this man.Just to see him execute the inspiring renditions from the records was breathtaking and needess to say the audience went nuts at each recognizeable fill.He's a character too and part of the evening was devoted to his recollections of the sessions on Royal Scam . His performance of Kid Charlemagne with the band Aja brought a tear to me eye.( killed)
I was very impressed with this band . I wish them success in what I felt was a labor of love for each of the players.
The band was extremely surprised and grateful to have so many Danfans from the board present.This thing we share here is very special and these guys really got it.Several of the band members partied with us at the hotel bar long after the show ended and were amazed at the cohesiveness of what has grown into a family over the years.
This said, the best part for me was hanging with all the people from this board .It is so nice to sit and have a relaxing dinner with people who you have come to know through We have become friends .To be part of a posting board which manifests in the flesh from time to time continues to be remarkable to me.
Hugs and thanks to Hoops , to Pete and Shari, Alan, Geoff, Gail and her wonderful kids, Chris , Matt, Keith,Toya, Gretchen and The Rajah , who is one of the most amazing characters I have ever met.To those who I left out, I'm sorry. I'm a potato.
Special thanks to the crew assembled in room 1010 after we closed the bar. We stayed up till the wee hours playing our guitars , singing "those" songs. It is so un-cool having a Steely Dan sing along but we thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
I had a friggin' great time this weekend.

Clas. I spent all day Saturday looking for your wallet. Several of the people I spoke to remembered you. I told them you were a Swede and not Norwegian.I gave them my address...

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 20:08:23 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Stupid!

Argh, it even says so on your post.

Anyway, Bluebookers - an interesting chat on Talkbass regarding Walter Becker's bassplaying.

I haven't chimed in yet, biding my time!



Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 20:06:30 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Bassic: Same chap from BW+TB? If so I'm Mike! Nottingham based if I recall.........?

Sorry to hijack!

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 18:48:10 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Likewise, I can't really help you as I am UK based.

Thanks for the interest though - it is very encouraging. LOL

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 15:33:51 ET
Posted by: max webster,

egads, an iconic instrument if ever there was one!!!

Jaco's first pre-CBS fender jazz is for sale on ebay...

it is probably out of most of our price ranges, but anyways...

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 14:24:33 ET
Posted by: Clas @ Halcion & Gone,

Laura Williams - sorry babe, I did my farwell tour 1974. For further questions, put them in writing and send them to the office.

With all sincerity I am able to muster this time at night,


Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 14:19:17 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

Only have a minute but the band was fantastic. Tough for anyone to emulate DF's vocals, but the band's sound was absolutely terrific. Bernard Purdie banging on Kid Charlamagne was magic. I was right up there in front - thanks "Pretty".

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 13:56:39 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

So what happened at the Cincy Danfest?


Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 09:52:54 ET
Posted by: Laura Williams, Coarsegold, Ca.

Iam a promoter & booking agent! Can you please send me a prom kit with either a cd or dvd so that I can possibly book you at some nearby casinos and centers.
Laura Williams
32008 Delaware Road
Coarsegold, Ca. 93614
(559)641-2611 (559)676-9687 Cell
Ny website:

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 07:56:27 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Gammons' band must suck...I'm sure they play 50 songs, all about how great the freakin Yankees are.

Date: Mon, July 18, 2005, 04:15:00 ET
Posted by: ss, laughing pines

FACW/Jaco...thanks for monk updates/refresher

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 22:50:12 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, .

Hey - how's the party going in Cincy??? If somebody posts that Fagen was a surprize guest (he has family in Ohio, right?) I might kick my own ass for not going. I hope everyone is groovin'!

I had Monster seats to two of the Sox-Yankees games this weekend and they were just too sweet to pass up. Last night I went to a great charity event at Fenway: "Hot Stove, Cool Music". Sox GM Theo Eptstein and ESPN's Peter Gammons both have bands that they noodle around with. They organized a charity event and sold 5,000 seats on the first base side of Fenway. A stage was set up in front of the Red Sox dugout. Some great acts performed: Ben Kweller, Julianna Hatfield, The Gentlemen, Kay Hanley and a blistering set by Fountains of Wayne to close the show. Sox pitchers Bronson Arroyo and Time Wakefield also performed. Comedians Mike O'Malley and Denis Leary were the hosts. Even though the Sox lost 3 of 4, a great weekend of baseball and music!

Waiting for some danfest updates!

Mark in Boston

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 22:38:13 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Jaco: Sweet started Metal Leg years ago as a "leg up" to Dan biographies, $, and fame. He's never actually interviewed D or W. Certainly detailed. How much is accurate is anybody's guess...

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 19:39:26 ET
Posted by: J. Goebbels, Still in hiding w/ Adolf

GOEBBELS!!! Dumkoff!!! Get das shpelling right!!! How dare you misshpell our historically infamous name!!!

Love -
Uncle Joe

P.S. Walter hast a good senz of humor (hahahaha...) Not unlike me and Adolf baby.

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 19:19:13 ET
Posted by: A.Goebels, Germany

Mein Herr-

Shomehow I can relate to that "whacking" shtuff!! Poor Donny!!!
I always said to Adolf, "Walter ist das dangerous one!"

Der Kommandant -


Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 19:15:26 ET
Posted by: A.Goebels, Germany is RIGHT,Mein Heir Greebs!
Donald ist taking an awful "whacking" en der foto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 12:12:55 ET
Posted by: On Halcion and Gone,

Any news about my wallet?

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 09:26:12 ET
Posted by: Grant Greebs,

Thanks for responding Mr. Lapage. However, why is Donald's head spinning toward the orange colored smashed glass?

And, why, oh why, does the definition box (ON the the smashed windshield/glass) of "Whack" as a verb, exclaim, "to deliver a whack ... (as an) attempt to wipe out, a person."? Why would WB go to the trouble of giving us multiple definitions of the word "whack" if the word only applied/referred to "cutting tracks of whack"?

I think, babies, the ambiguity is intentional.

A bit of overt jealousy/maliciousness implied by WB? Done, of course, for the sake of fun, frivolity and fecundity.

G. Greebs

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 06:17:54 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK


Ah - I was going on a slightly different account from Brian Sweet's book!

Date: Sun, July 17, 2005, 02:22:25 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

At last....he has a web site!! Not much to it yet, but I'm ever hopeful!


Hope you Cincy people are having the greatest time!!


Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 22:47:27 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Jaco, Thanks - I was fuzzy on the details. Here's Walter's recollection from Andy Metzger's site:

"...Becker's songs have a rough-cut street poetry to them, but he
also experiments with the sound of chanting monks on the record's
best track, "Surf And/Or Die."

"That was a song I wrote for a friend of ours in Hawaii who was
killed in a hang-gliding accident," Becker says. "I had written
this little poem about the immediate aftermath of something like
that. How you're caught up in a mixture of the mundane things that
need to be attended to; and this vast, yawning gap in your life
where this person used to be. When this actually happened, they had
a little service for this guy, where the Tibetan lama who lives in
the town I live in, came and made a little speech. .. We later
recorded with four lamas. We played the thing back and the pitch
was right in tune with the track and it had a rhythmic relationship
with the track as well. Like I say, I guess the evidence is there
that I want to continue to write unusual songs."

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 19:28:07 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK


The monks were chanting in Walter Becker's new studio (in Mauii, I think, sorry for atrocious spelling) blessing it - and he recorded it, and later used it as you said.

Just a small point, thought it may be of interest!



Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 19:20:36 ET
Posted by: ph, Makapuu Street

Naw, that windshield is of "the beloved white Aires", which is "fair game for the vandals up on Makapuu Street".

If it was the Kamakiri, that would be helluva lot cooler.

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 14:47:35 ET
Posted by: D.Dawson,

"Sounds" like foul play to me.

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 14:46:13 ET
Posted by: K. Berberian,

Is that Walt's bat on the windshield of Don's Kamikiri??????????????

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 14:43:39 ET
Posted by: Jim Whacker,

Did Walter make Don's head whip across the fold out picture of 11TOW?

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 13:05:55 ET
Posted by: ph, Locked up with an A/C

Have fun everybody. Sorry I couldn't come and meet y'all.

The heat index right now is 105 degrees Fahrenheit!! Time to give my car a shot of freon!

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 11:59:52 ET
Posted by: ElSupremo Mike, Louisville,KY

So .. where is everybody meeting? I'm heading up tomorrow but what time would be good to arrive?


Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 11:43:19 ET
Posted by: GrantGreebs, Chicago

What's happening to Donald on the inner sleeve to WB's 11TOW?

Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 11:41:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, On a pit stop, between St. Louis & Indy on the way to Cincy

Thanks for the well wishes guys. Wish you all could be here and, in a way, you will.

I was thinking that FIVE years ago today, we had the morning-after high of the SD Show at Manfield PLUS the amazing Boston Rag DanfestAmazing how time flies.

For those ofyou into clips and shots:


Date: Sat, July 16, 2005, 02:09:13 ET
Posted by: FACW, on the road

ss: Walter had recorded the monks chanting (at the funeral?) and it turned out they were in the same key as the Walter merged their voices with the outtro...

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 21:33:31 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

Broberg's site is great, you can really get lost there just checking out the bootlegs. I love that place. Hans Verlouw's is also a tremendous resource.

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 15:27:32 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Came across this site called the Steely Dan Webring, but it seems to have been dormant for a while. However, one page that struck very close to home was:

Which gives info about the SD Manchester date back in 1974, which is the one and only SD concert I have ever been lucky enough to attend. It says there was a tape issued from the live recording. Does anyone out there know anything about it? Would love to get my hands on it!!!


Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 14:56:41 ET
Posted by: Clas @ Work,

Could someone who's going to Cincinnati look for my wallet?

It's brown and contains five hundred bucks.

I think I lost it close to a bar where a dancer was clinging to a pole.

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 13:00:13 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

Wish i could make the fest.
but,we have a Bar Mitzvah to attend.
anyway, please take lot's of pictures...
i'm anxious to see them and assign names to faces.
have a Wing-Ding!


Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 12:34:15 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Happy to be among friends here ...


The Steely Damned is a great SD trib band. I have seen them only a couple of times and also have the video that was shot of them when they played at Le Bar Bat in NYC (Pete Fogel's joint) during the week of Steely Dan's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Great band. I had the pleasure and honor of subbing in their band at the keyboards a few years back at one of their San Diego shows. They totally made me feel right at home. They are to a man (and woman) a class act.

I'm a little frustrated that our website only has that one video clip of Peg up there. I am in the process of redesigning it to include more video clips, live audio clips, Logician photos and Bios, links, and other things.

Don't forget to come see the band in Yorba Linda this Sunday (assuming that you haven't booked a flight to Cincinatti this weekend). Then you can decide if you want to book us for your sister's wedding ... assuming we fit in your budget of course.

You're a crack up HANK. Have a good time.


Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 10:59:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I believe the full Turban-treatment might be a bit much for the Cincy Ramada, they don't go for that much in Ohio, however, the festive, spangled and ceremonial green Kufi, given to me by a friend from the Sudan, will be in evidence, even though it tends to flatten out my coif. No bling-bling.

Times are hard for Rajahs everywhere, we're afraid to wear the T.

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 10:37:37 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham

I really would love to get there and meet this sordid cast of characters! If I go, it won't be until Sunday due to the fact that I'm in Birmingham until tomorrow celebrating my daughter's birthday - the big ocho!!

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 10:34:40 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham

Rajah - more importantly - will you be sporting the turban??

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 10:20:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Absolutely, J, we're hopping the red-eye tonight, get yer butt over there and we'll turn that there Ramada upside-down.

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 09:59:52 ET
Posted by: Josey, Birmingham

Rajah - are you making the trip to Cinci this weekend? I'm still thinking about last minute jetting my way there.

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 04:31:23 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


No worries - chill my friend! LOL

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 03:02:33 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Marked For Death

Steven Seagal?

Is this some really bad guitar joke?


Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 02:04:29 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo "States" !!!!!!! (lack of sleep!!)

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 02:03:25 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - still celebrating!

You guys in the Sates get it all!! First the Dan Fest and now I find this:
Guitar festival for charitable cause:

Jeff ýSkunkţ Baxter (Doobie Brothers/Steely Dan)
James Burton
Brad Paisley
Sonny Landreth
Steve Wariner
Jeff Cook (Alabama)
The Nelson Twins ˝ Matthew & Gunnar "performing songs made famous by their father, Rick Nelson".
Eric Johnson
Jerry Donahue (Yardbirds)
Johnny Rivers
Seymour Duncan
Steve Lukather
Johnny A
Doyle Dykes
Johnny Hiland
Greg Koch
Roscoe Beck
Dr. John
Steve Cropper
Steven Seagal

Hey.....I'm in the wrong place...and it must be the wrong time!!

All who CAN go...enjoy!

Date: Fri, July 15, 2005, 00:21:06 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, WestOfCincinnati

Still Sparkin'...

The US Mail has arrived...



Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 23:39:27 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - and celebrating!!

Big celebrations here today!! (now Fri. 15th July)


Our Boss is 59 today - one very nice guy I might add!! May you have many more.

(DAN = and in Malay, nice one, hey!!)

Girlie up-date: 11.30 am and they're awake - having giggled to around 4.30am!! Ah to be young again!

Also, all of you off to the DANFEST - have a great time, chill and revel in the company!!

I'll be thinking of you all! Enjoy!


Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 23:26:09 ET
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Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 21:31:38 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @the last night of the triple sun

this just in

Donald was right

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 14:39:34 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Ann - thanx!

Bassinstinct - it wasn't on purpose, I am very confused these days. It's all this Halcyon & On and Halcion & Gone and Kingfishers and twothousand year old greek words and stuff...

It's time for my nightmedicin.

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 14:01:04 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Girlies update: 2am and I'm bushed!! they're still hard at it...high on Pringles! Where're my ear muffs? Even the Dan can't keep out their noise!!!!

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 12:04:27 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Perhaps there is a joke mixed amongst Hutchence, Geldof's wife, and Live 8. Don't think I'll go there (maybe already have...).

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 11:48:43 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

You're right Earl.

I seem to recall that he was actually found hanging by a belt on the back of a door and that it was part of a supposedly erotic ritual.

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 11:38:03 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Were there rumors about Hutchence's death being related to a fetish involving strangulation? I seem to remember that being mentioned somewhere...maybe I got my info mixed up.

Yeah, Surf And/Or Die is an odd song. Sounds like a very sad story.

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 11:21:48 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hi Gretchen,

No, I don't consciously watch anything on MTV - just catch the odd video when I'm surfing channels. That's enough for me! And we get a very sanitised version of it here in Asia. I dread to think what a bad influence the real thing is having on the kids in the West. What I DO miss however, is VH1 - more my "thang"!! But sadly Asia hasn't got round to it - not our bit anyway.

"Girlies" update: 11.15pm here and they're in full throttle, watching Ace Ventura! You wouldn't think they had a combined IQ of around 850 - one of them is off to Harvard in September on full scholarship! Another off to do medicine in London - and they sound like a load of cattle!!

Where's my headphones?? I need some Dan!!!!!!

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 09:54:25 ET
Posted by: ph, held out 'til gradution

Ann, your generalization was well-deserved. Thank god I'm not in High School anymore, because I am not exaggerating to say that 90% of the 1000 male teens there didn't see a bar of soap more often than bi-weekly. I've smelled manure that was more pleasant than the hallways...although, I do live in Iowa, some of the smell might be manure. :)

Ann, if still awake and on the greenbook around 12pm CST (that's 3 hours from now, 1am EST, 6pm GMT), I would love to chat. That's when I get to work, but now I have errands to run.

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 09:53:57 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, la

I agree with you about MTV!! Do you watch "The Real World?" It would be a very sad society if all of the early twentysomethings were like the individuals on that show who, in my opinion, are a bunch of spoiled prima donnas who often act like total degenerates. I know from going to school with a few girls in that age group, however, many kids try to emulate the "look" and level of "coolness" displayed in those so called reality shows. Yikes!


Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 09:13:02 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

So............why are you calling me Beerberian?

Not that I'm not flattered, obviously. LOL

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 09:04:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Clas: check out:

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 08:25:49 ET
Posted by: Clas,

I am very angry now Beerberian. "Michael Hutchens" gave me 340 000 hits on some footballplayer in Pennsylvania.

Make up your mind!

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 06:46:18 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo (Sleepless in Brunei!!)

Hey Paul,

Sorry it was wrong of me to generalise!! Of course it's only a minority of the "younger generation" who think it's cool to look as if they haven't bathed for a month!! My punishment for that is that I now have 6 18 year olds (all female!)on a sleepover in my living room - no doubt they'll be proving to me how much they wash!! (when I can't get access to the bathrooms!!). God help me!! Definitely no sleep for me tonight, so if anyone's up for a chat, let me know! (I'm 12 hours ahead of ET)

Anyways, re-this unwashed look - I blame the media! One undesirable aspect of globalising the media is the influence that MTV and the likes are having on young people here in the conservative societies of Asia - it's spreading behaviour and moral standards (ie - lack of) that aren't even common in the "west". Some of the soft porn drivel that comes out of MTV gives people here a bad impression about what we're all about, especially what western women are about. Thank God our heroes aren't in to this sort of stuff!!

Pass me the camomile tea!

Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 05:40:40 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Make that Michael Hutchence.


Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 02:50:50 ET
Posted by: Halcion and on and gone...,

Beerberian - no wonder I got lost in Google. About ten thousands hits on some obscure basketball player.


Date: Thurs, July 14, 2005, 01:44:00 ET
Posted by: ss, hk will perhaps be amused to know the chanting at the end of Surf and/or Die was unplanned when the song was being written.

As I recall the story being told, the chanters are monks...and they just happened to have chanted in a pitch that was friendly to this song.

Can't recall straight away how/when WB came to possess the tape with the chanting on it.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 23:57:33 ET
Posted by: pH, beating the freeze at 105ćF

Ann, here's one of the younger generation who still showers daily.
Reality TV makes me sick, especially if I fall into the trap of believing that it actually represents reality. Maybe that's why I'm a Star Trek fan.

The Kamakiriad DVD-A seems to have been removed from ... I know I saw it earlier in the year. I live in a relatively small town (<200K pop.), so the chances of me finding it here are slim to nil. I guess I'll try eBay. Kama is such a good album for the summer, lately I've been playing it more often than Aja.

This week I actually figured out what "Surf and/or Die" is about! It's no longer just a long string of anachronistic phrases to me, the phrases finally connect! I haven't figured out the metaphorical aspect of the song yet, but at least I've got the surface level decrypted. I now realize how the zombie-like chanting at the end fits with the song. I'm headed in the right direction, I think... When I first got 11TOW, somebody here said the album was too adult to be fully understood by somebody my age, and the only thing I have to say to that is: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

And lastly something completely un-Dan related. The PF Wish You Were Here album is absolutely astounding coming out of a 5.1 surround system, even just the stereo tracks (the DVD-A is in production, yay!). During the "Shine On...Part I" chorus I almost cried. And I get the shivers just thinking about it.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 23:36:53 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Suzie and Dif: Enjoyed the chat too!!

Gretchen: You are indeed a lucky woman - the softer side of your old man has just crept out!! I do believe that old Raj is a bit of a romantic at heart! Thanks for the Frankie suggestions!

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 21:22:03 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', HK

The picture I like best of DF is the shot on the Kamakiriad album. Not the front cover...somewhere among the rest of what they pack in there....or maybe it's just on the DVD-A, where I last saw it - but it's DF leaning in a doorway. Some sort of old house as the background. Great colours and general look in that photo, great jacket on the Donald (aviator thing).

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 21:09:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh Donald, you stud muffin you, I love a man who can play whiffle ball indoors! Boner.

We all looked a lot better 27 years ago.

Sadly Ann, there used to be a great Frank guestbook around 1994 when this internet madness all started for most of us but, alas, Frank's fanbase is shrinking daily. I know some of you welcome that but if I could only persuade a small portion of you all that Sinatra, although a major A-hole in his personal life, was indeed the greatest virtuoso performer of the 20th C. and well worth revisiting, I could expire with a smile on my face. A serious study of his breath control should be part of every vocalist's curriculum, it was truly astounding. Listen to a song called, "Moonlight in Vermont" sometime.

There is nothing better on a Sunday afternoon than a glass of Gumba-Red and a Frank Sinatra album from the 50s. Time stops.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 18:54:31 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

The guy's name was Michael Hutchens.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 18:22:14 ET
Posted by: Anagrams Be Damned!, Pine Knob Equals...

Pink Bone...

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 16:01:56 ET
Posted by: susie, down on the farm

Hey Gang, Sorry to leave chat so abruptly, hope you catch you again soon. Good meeting you again Ann!

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 15:17:02 ET
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and long gone...,

Fife - don't wanna make you disappointed but Fagen is a short fellah.

Me, on the other hand, I'm 192 centimeters over the sea, 103 kilos of downright muscles... well, you've got my number, and it's still the same.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 15:06:42 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

Micheal Hutchinson commited suicide by hanging himself with a belt in a hotelroom. He and his partner the ex of Bob Geldoff had serious drug problems and Hutchinson was plagued by bouts of chronic depression. His partner committed suicide 3 years later. Sir Geldoff has custody of their daughter. Why do I know this, I haven't a clue but it's such a sad story it stayed with me.
Donald looks great in the pic in the archives. I always loved my men tall and lean, kind of a jack spratt scenario, lol.

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 14:51:25 ET
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and gone...,

You're welcome Ann, I hope mom gets lucky. There in the jungle... brrr...

Michael Hutchins - isn't he dead, died with Geldofs ex-wife? Am I wrong?

And NO ONE can replace Fagen.

The only Steely song I can stand hear with another singer than Fagen is "Sail the Waterway".

No, it must be "Bye bye Dallas".


Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 13:47:16 ET
Posted by: angel,

For the girls....
(Don't make any comments, Rajah) lol

That's one nice picture of "The Donald". :-)

It reminds me of that shot of Donald and the dog, on the Aja album. I believe that is my favorite picture of him, but this one comes in a close second. Thanks to whoever decided it deserved to be seen. Great shot!

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 13:30:01 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Thanks Clas for those leads - I'll follow them up.

Tonight I half-watched one of those "reality" TV programmes on an Asian satellite channel. It was the one where INXS are choosing their new lead singer by having an "American idol" type competition. I say "half-watched" because I turned it off after about 5 contestants had been on, being bored out of my brains by watching cliched, unwashed clones. I'm amazed that the younger generation think it's cool to look like you've not had a bath in months. God, I'm sounding more like my mother every day!!! Anyway, how INXS can even think about replacing someone with the charisma and magnetism as Michael Hutchins is beyond me anyway, especially when the remaining members of the group look like they should now be collecting their pensions! However, it got me thinking about who could ever replace our Donald, should he ever decide to throw in the towel. Obviously, no one on this planet (ney, cosmos) could ever mimick those dulcet tones, so it would maybe have to be someone who had their own style. I really don't know. Never having heard an SD tribute band, I don't know if there's anyone out there who can actually sound like Donald - maybe you people of Dandom can suggest.......??

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 13:22:35 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, bracing II

Sorry to have been awol. See y'all soon!

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 13:16:51 ET
Posted by: dif, champaign


sorry about logging out of the greenroom when you appeared. my fingers akimbo lead to an unintended disconnect. chat again?

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 12:36:31 ET
Posted by: archive-er?,

Jerry = DF's dad

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 10:30:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Who's that "Jerry" guy?

Date: Wed, July 13, 2005, 03:29:23 ET
Posted by: dickylu, moon

This site is the fkg best place ever to read BULL SHIT i love it. Keep up the good work

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 23:34:20 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

New artifacts at

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 15:38:01 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Ann - searched on google, "glen miller big bands guestbook" found alot, check out:

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 15:12:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hey Gretchen,

Nice one!! You had me fooled for a minute - anyway, if you're not satisfied, there's plenty more fish in the sea!!!!!!!

Wait for my posting on 15th July, you'll see!! (hey, that rhymes!)

Nice to see Frankie posting!! Makes my old mum swoon!!

Do any of you know of a similar site to the Blue that's devoted to Frankie era music (crooners, big band, Glen Miller stuff, etc.)?? My old ma lives here in Head Hunter land with me - she'll be 80 soon - but still of sound mind - If I can get her connected with like-minded people through the net, she may give me some peace!!!!!


Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 15:05:42 ET
Posted by: Clas,

Ah, it was a little too early for those sleepingpills, the Stolen Dan band is from Netherlands, not from anywhere else.

The link;


Great phaser on the rhodes sound, outstanding horns and the singer's got the right voice.

And the snakehips makes me wish I could dance.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 14:58:18 ET
Posted by: @ the Halcion Night, Cloud 9

Hank - there's an Italian Steely Dan cover band who's got the attitude I think you're looking for, very cocky and energetic. Sounds like a very young Steely Dan. Great sound too. I think their name is Stolen Dan.

I get back with the link as soon as I find it, you can hear extracts from Josie, Jack of Speed and Bad Sneakers.


Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 13:32:57 ET
Posted by: Pretzel Old Blue Logistics?, Cape Canary

David Lasley and Libby Titus

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 13:07:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Wait a sec, Steve, that was "Through With Buzz" you were playing? Yeah, I was there but I thought it was a sped-up rendition of "My Lean Baby." You're stuff sounds so much like Sinatra's long-time piano player Bill Miller, I couldn't tell.

OK but I bet you don't know Something Stupid.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 12:31:10 ET
Posted by: Wu-Drummer, Venice Beach


There's no call for those kind of comments on this post... of course you are entitled to your opinion, but in truth, I think you'd feel WAY different if you ever went to see The Pretzel Logic Band LIVE... while they're video may not give you the warm fuzzies, rest assured the players in The Pretzel Logic Band are all TOP SHELF, and the band kicks ass LIVE.
I have seen the Steely Damned live about 11 times, and also Pretzel Logic live about 8-9 times... both bands are great. We all have our strong and weak points, and can learn from each other, but trashing The Pretzel Logic Band is uncalled for, and only serves to make you look like the bad guy. My guess is you're probably not so bad given a chance. Gabeesh? [trying to make the sidewalks safe]

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 11:03:08 ET
Posted by: Frank Sinatra, Scungill' Mezzo-finocch' Patrol

Hank, did you know that every first-call session player in Los Angeles through four decades appeared on my records? Yeah, before the Capitol Building, we used to record at what is now KCAL 9 here in LA, little building Beverly Blvd in Hollywood. My arrangers back then, be it Nelson Riddle or Billy May, would prepare my charts and go over them once, twice tops, with these great players, mostly veterans of the Big-Band Era who had played thousands of dates and covered thousands of miles in those crappy tour buses of the day. They knew every tune imaginable and much more so Nelson and Billy's job was basically to lead them through the new wrinkles on their arrangements. If anyone blew a clam just one time, they were gone, period. Studio time was expensive even back then and we didn't have any time for a "learning curve."

Me, I'd be in the little Mexican Restaurant across the street, it's still there to this day, having a pop or two prior to walking over and laying down one take, two tops. Those records from the fifties, Songs for Swingin Lovers, A Swingin Affair, Come Fly With Me, all of them are still available at your local record shop and public library. I don't know what you like to listen to but you should check them out sometime when you're out of diapers and not puking all over yourself like the puling infant that you evidently are.

Those were the best years and best recordings of my life and I'm still very proud of the way they sound. They remain fresh, fun, clean and swingin collections of little three-minute gems to this day. Like those Steely Dan records from thirty years ago that the Big Guy turned me onto when I got here. So if you know any wedding band that could cover those tunes half as well as my guys did, let me know and I'll get a 48 hour pass from Purgatory and make the scene.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 10:52:45 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Very well said.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 10:48:24 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons island

Not that SteveeDan needs my defense, but the copy I have of one of Pretzel Logic's shows sounds damned fine to these seasoned ears! I don't typically get into this kind of nastiness here on the Blue - pretty sure it's not what this place was established for - but SteveeDan doesn't deserve that. He might just be a tad bit above that "my dog's better than your dog" kind of shit! No charge for this opinion.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 09:35:33 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain

For those curious how Canadian (and Jewish) vocalist Rosanne Agasee's version of Home At last sounds, you can click the link above. I can recommend the entire album and especially the guitar solo on Home At Last from Canadian Guitarist of the Year 2004, Jake Langley.

There were a lot of Cincinatti references going on TV here lately which was quite funny given the upcoming Danfest... Besides it being about the music, i also tend to believe anything related to Steely Dan, if you have been in it since a kid or teen or young adult, is or becomes a state of mind.

At Bospop Weert, a dutch rockfestival, i had the chance to see and meet some esteemed musicians, among of them Steve Lukather who is known for having major Steely references and connections. But also Uriah Heep, celebrating their 35th anniversary this year... their European contact and manager is a huge Steely Dan fan as well as their leadsinger, Bernie Shaw. It's amazing if you ask musicians what music they like or listen to, you can often expect the unexpected!

Hoops, i am sure Rosanne is willing to send you a disc for the Dandom Radio :-)

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 09:17:28 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware


Been a while since I've posted here. Sounds like there's going to be some fun in Cincinnati this weekend. Wish I could be there.

Guess the Steely news has been pretty slow recently. Hope Donald can get his project to it's always-pristine form and out on the shelves...can't wait.

Hoops, thanks for keeping this place around for all things Dan.


Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 09:11:34 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Incorrect and disrespectful. IMHO

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 09:03:21 ET
Posted by: Hank Lane, San Diego, CA

Steveedan- After hearing you keep trying to upstage the Cincy Danfest this weekend I finally went to your bands website. You guys are basically a wedding band playing the music of Steely Dan. Anyone who watches that video you have up can clearly see/hear that. The singer sings without absolutely no emotion and the band plays these tunes with zero attitude (more cheese please?). If you're going to have the balls to play the music of Steely Dan, play it right! Take a lesson from Bob Tedde. Not sure how the guys in Cincy are going to be but I can say that the Steely Damned blows your band away!

My sister is getting married in September, can you guys play Sinatra? OY!

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 08:29:13 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan,

Rajah - -

I have yet to be stumped at a party playing requests. Am I bragging ? You bet your Steely ASS!

Where were you when I played Through With Buzz ?

By the way, I pulled my back out over the weekend. Could you come over here and help me hoist my pompous ass onto my steed ?

Sunday was great - Doctor Wu plus Pretzel Logic plus extra musician-guests. An 8 hour jam session (no exaggeration).
Food - Folks - & Fun !!!

Have a great time in Cincinatti - Pretzel Logic will be performing in Yorba Linda. Local press is running the story out there.

Date: Tues, July 12, 2005, 01:56:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Yup, that's my baby. All I can say is...ouch!

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 23:06:28 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Snarling Observer = S.O. = Significant other

And where is Rajah's heartland but...??? :-)

LOL! Very clever and cute! ;-)


Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 22:24:21 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Oouch!! Someone else who's a tad jealous! No place for vitriolic attacks here.

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 21:50:10 ET
Posted by: Snarling observer, the heartland

Rajah, no one here is interested in your boring, blow-hard rants. You obviously have an inflated opinion of yourself - for what reason, no one can seem to figure out. Is it because you snagged a young blonde wife for youself before you enter the winter of your discontent? Just shut UP, for God's sake. What a bore.

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 15:40:05 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston

Just a couple of points i left out lol,i will provide the transporation,need someone to help with the drive.should take about 11 hours......paul

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 15:09:06 ET
Posted by: fezman, boston

looking for danfan or fan's willing to hook up for the ride to cinci anyone interested in leaving boston fri morning and comming back late sunday night can reach me at sno425@yahoo .com.....thanks paul

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 13:14:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well Lord love you, Petal, cause most people just don't appreciate how much effort it takes to hoist an oversized pompous ass the likes of mine, Turban and all, onto that proverbial high horse.

No, don't hate me cause I'm beautiful.

Baba Windbag and On-Topic Rajah

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 12:45:57 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Rajah, you're a gem!!

Here I was nursing my sorrows at not being able to go to the Dan Fest, contemplating a blisteringly hot Borneo "summer", culminating with kissing my beloved off-spring good-bye as she enters the big, bad world of higher education.....all quite depressing stuff....and you come along and make me LOL!! Now I know why everyday I peek into the Blue, for those rare gems I won't find anywhere else. All you guys out there keep me sane!! Keep 'em coming Dandom!!

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 11:45:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Ann honey, I don't have one jealous bone in my body, OK, maybe one. [rim shot] Ah thang you.

Women spend a lot of time and money making themselves gorgeous, I mean, chicks pack a boat load of stuff, holy crap, it ain't just clothes, it's like more gear than a percussionist, OK, Merlin didn't have as many bottles, jars, tubes and cannisters as someone I know. Then after that whole ritual, they drool over some disheveled platter of kreplach like Donald who, together with his partner, look like they both stepped out of a Wookie's broom closet. If anybody needed a Gay Valet, it's Donald and Walter. The suit hasn't been made that would fit DF, in this he resembles Richard Nixon or the Blues Brothers. And that's cool. Cause if you're pretty much butt-fuhuggly like most men, natty threads and dousing your body with Canoe won't help that much and the good lookin guys, well, they don't need much gussying up to score the chicks, they pretty much jump in the boat. If Donald wasn't brilliant he'd be *beggin' for pussy* just like the rest of us. OK, I am jealous.

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 10:25:01 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Gretchen: Do I get the impression that Rajah is a tad jealous??

Date: Mon, July 11, 2005, 10:09:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh yeah nice Kodak moment, Donald looks about as sexy as a nag getting a branding iron stuck in its ass. Yikes, is that pic from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom? Like the doo though, hunh...layers.

Thanks for the wing-ding, Pablito, you have it down to a science. Somebody actually knew, "With a Gun," what a shock. What's next, "Through With Buzz?"

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 23:22:59 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Bracing...

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 22:37:10 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Yeah, Gretchen, it's the nostrils!!

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 21:07:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, the LA concession

PS2, thanks for the link, Donald was, and still is, a sexy SOB. That picture is sublime........


Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 19:17:57 ET
Posted by: GrantGreeb, Chicago

To add to my previous posting pertaining to that quirky, possibly ominous 11TOW booklet foldout: 1) look carefully at the pictures,2) read the definition of the word and 3)look at the back of the CD case. Why?

*Sorry for the misspelt "gleened"("gleaned")in the prev. posting. This morning I brushed my teeth w/ Gleem Toothpaste while reading the latest issue of Creem Magazine and was rather confused.


Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 18:48:53 ET
Posted by: ps III, ...

It's a Dutch musician, Toon Roos. Simply scroll down and ....

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 18:35:06 ET
Posted by: ps2, ...

this one is for the gals... Gretchen....?!

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 18:32:44 ET
Posted by: ps, ...

does this say that Ted Baker is Jewish too .... lol ?

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 18:30:40 ET
Posted by: Due with Buzz, google mountain

howdy. toying the image google toy. can't recall having seen above pic before... anyone?

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 13:05:51 ET
Posted by: Grant Greeb, Chicago

I wonder what the Fab Four would've gleened from a close study of WB's 11TOW CD/Album cover? The Walrus was Don?

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 11:51:21 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Yeah, Chrysler, I noticed that too, but pointedly ignored it only because A) I liked the rest of the JR site, and 2) I've come to accept that that's just how many, if not most, non-Dan fans perceive their music. They're wrong, of course, but I don't have the time or energy to put into "correcting" them. Oh well. :-)

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 08:43:37 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

AAAARGH there they go again--

"soft-rock," "the edgiest thing they've ever done [the SD name]"

Did you write that article, Cincy Joe?

BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP (sound of my head as I bang it against the wall)

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 07:59:11 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

......... and Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits and Gaucho fame is the son of a Hungarian Jewish immigrant into NE England..........

......and as for Keane....yet again, my off-spring pulls it off!! Asked her about them and she immediately produced their album from her collection. They sound pretty cool for a band with no guitar and who don't feign American accents!

Found an original copy of EMG in a local record shop today!! Wow!! Brunei is getting cool at last!


Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 05:53:51 ET
Posted by: dickylu, moon

Raj @ Gret Thanks for the call. yes the folks are ok back in UK

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 03:04:34 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

I'm glad folks seem to be enjoying the JewsRock site. Been poking around it some more myself and came across this item about Randy California and how a famous riff from Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" may have been "borrowed" from a song called "Taurus" that Randy did with a band called Spirit...

RIFFED OFF, by Dave McKenna for

I only mention it because in looking at the Sweet book to see if there's much, if any, info given about Walter's parents (not even their names are given as far as I can tell) I came across the Walter Becker/Randy California connection on page 11. You can check it out by going to the page for the Sweet book and clicking "Excerpt," then "Next Page" four times to view page 11...

Date: Sun, July 10, 2005, 01:54:03 ET
Posted by: Halcyon Days & Halcion Nights,

Hoops - if Becker's father is Jewish, and his mother not, that means Becker is not Jewish.

The blood runs from the mother (for being on the safe side I guess).

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 23:27:35 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Well, nevermind: after digging on the site, I found this:

"Clem Snide might have taken their name from a certain talking orifice, but Yiddish-fluent non-Jew Walter Becker and authentic Hebraic rocker Donald Fagen went with the moniker of a giant dildo."

Question answered.

This reminds me of a quote where DF referred to "Jay and the Americans" as "Jay and the Jews."


Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 23:26:01 ET
Posted by: Ann , Borneo

Paul: I've just checked it too - great "gossip" in there!!

I was interested to see that 10cc were 3/4 Jewish - and hadn't realised the significance of their name till I read the site!!! I did know that their prolific songwriter Graham Gouldman was Jewish, as, apart from the name, about 11 years ago I worked with a very lovely Jewish lady in a college in Manchester. She told me that in her teens, she and Graham had been "sweethearts". He would run the lyrics of his songs past her for comments. By the look on her face when she told me the story, I could see that he was very dear to her heart still. However, her very middle class Jewish mum did not approve of the relationship, especially as he would roll up at their door in his "hippy gear" (this was the mid-60s!) even though he was driving a flashy sports car. She was made to go on dates in her "twin set" and pearls! Eventually, mum put a stop to the relationship and my friend eventually married an older, local business man, who met with mum's approval and aspirations! When I worked with her she was in her late 40s but still had the verve, personality and looks that must have attracted the young GG. Her husband's business wasn't doing well and she was working herself into the ground to keep the family going.

Is there a message here?? Hey girls!! Follow your heart!


Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 23:19:51 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks for the link DaddyG. Now I am wondering about a bit of trivia. For years I thought both members of our favorite duo were Jewish. Then maybe five years ago, someone who generally gives accurate info told me that Walter is not Jewish. So which is it? Or does he have a Jewish father but not mother orÍ?

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 22:52:09 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

Daddy G, nice find. Just spent a half-hour at, it's a hilarious and interesting site. Well worth a look. Thanks for the heads-up.

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 18:28:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Krak-Ho: I liked Roger Waters on Live8, I'm not an expert on the bass clef and maybe I was just over excited but he did a nice turn on "Money," no? I thought so. His voice, well, it wasn't much to write home about back then and now he's all breathy and old and weird but I feel that way about myself in the morning sometimes, so hey, Pink rocks maaaan. Totally.

But it's official, U2 has become annoying. Edge has always been brilliant, in his quiet way but, like REM, I've had enough for the moment. These things go in cycles. They should all quit and come back 20 years later. Then I'd be thrilled. Cause I'm fickle. Not as annoying as Macca and that Long and Winding Road, oy, what a pain mind you but, they're all getting pretty close to being annoying. Why I heaved up a small fortune for 10th row tickets at the Stapes Center for Sir Paul in November escapes me totally as I pen this. I coulda bought a freakin Armani or one of those handbags that excites that special someone in a way I only aspire to. I suppose it's like going to see King Tut or something, a museum piece.

Now Keane is being talked about by the young people (trust me I'm in touch with the YP) as gay and annoying so they're definitely worth checking out.

BTW Steve, I just posted an anon blog on that site of yours requesting your band add some of my favorite Steely Dan songs: This Much is True and Me & You and a Dog Named Boo.

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 16:25:18 ET
Posted by: FACW,

PQ: Oddly enough... its "Bend and Break" even though it could have been "Meet you in the morning." Rhythm section (bass, drums) leans in the U2 direction with a more melancholy and feminine sound and Coldplay/Verve piano.

BTW, old farts U2 and good 'ol Sir Paul tore the house down on 8Live. Haven't really followed U2 much since Achtung Baby, but they still got it live. It's amazing what they can do with Beautiful Day, which is rescued from meandering mess to an anthem. Edge and the rest of the band tight and thunderous.

David Gilmour's guitar and even vocals were still in top form on Comfortably Numb. I noticed he was far, far away on stage from Waters, whose singing and bass playing are simply shot...I wonder what was going through Gilmour's mind?

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 15:48:19 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

Tones on the Blue!? Yowzer. What's the Keane tune with the lyric "Finally I don't bend and break"?

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 14:08:45 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan,

Hi Everyone -

We now have set ourselves up on the "My Space" website. Please visit and join our "Friends" list. Write us a BLOG if you would like to. Thanks a lot Everyone !!!


Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 13:45:23 ET
Posted by: tones,

FACW - yeah, you know what? I was rather impressed with Keane also. I had heard good things about them but hadn't heard them at all before this morning, and they sounded pretty good.

I think I saw Geggy Tah also (missed the name flash at the beginning); I've always liked their albums but had never seen them live.

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 12:37:37 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., I believed that I was dreaming...

I was looking through the FAQ page and found the link to the "Satchmo-lestation" piece. Just thought I'd post it in case anyone's interested in reading the full item...

Satchmo-lestation, by Izzy Grinspan

By the way, the FAQ page is fairly humorous and a quick read...

Q. Do you people have rigorous halachic standards for admittance into the Challah Fame?

A. No. WeÝre not, after all, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Jews in rock can be people whose parents are Jewish, or have one parent whoÝs Jewish, or a grandparent, or a gastroenterologist who is Jewish. And Bruce Springsteen. WeÝve decided that Springsteen is Jewish.

Other FAQs include the humorous story of how the idea for JewsRock came about and why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sued them. Check it out at...

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 12:16:04 ET
Posted by: FACW,

tones: Wow! Those young bucks Keane are pretty darn good!

I can hear why comparisons to Coldplay abound. But Coldplay beefed up their sound a bit more from Yellow and parachutes with guitar accents across the piano balast. Both have that U2 type floating-like quality above the baseline. Rush of Blood to the Head (?) has the classic Clocks and In My Place, but it seems I'm hearing with Coldplay the Beatles filtered through Oasis and Pink Floyd filtered through U2, the Verve, and Radiohead. Very good stuff, but seems like I've heard it all before.

I guess Keanes's lyrics on Hopes and Fears could be perceived as little more romantic and lightweight, and the more focussed soundscape on keyboards may have a few less tricks in the bag, Tom Chaplin has a voice more emotive and with 10 times more ring than Chris Martin's. He's got a little Freddie Mercury and Robin Wilson (Gin Blossoms) Their melodies are less groove noodling and if derivative more straight to the source: Paul McCartney mid-60s Beatles. Somwhere Only We Know is a killer, killer knock your socks off recording. Coldplay is hot, a compelling live band...however, it should be interesting to see how Keane develops - they have potential Greatness.

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 12:07:11 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., By and by, when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy...

Thought some folks might be mildly interested in this Philly Inquirer article and the website which it's about...

By Daniel Rubin, Inquirer Staff Writer
SD entry --

The Inquirer article mentions SD:

[ And the blog is filled with updates on the progress of such fellow Hebrewites as Steely Dan (both Donald Fagen and Walter Becker) and Paula Abdul, plus those who don't seem Jewish, like Megadeth's Dave Mustaine. Turns out he's half. ]

I checked briefly and see no mention of Donald's current WIP anywhere, but I'm not really surprised.

I also liked this turn of a phrase that the article mentions as the title of a past JewsRock piece about Kenny G.'s duet with Satchmo:

[ Being Jewish doesn't get you special treatment from Grinspan, just a nod. The woman who went by Elizabeth until a fourth-grade friend gave her the nickname Izzy wrote a sour- suck-candy of a story about Kenny G's decision to splice a Louis Armstrong vocal onto a remake of "What a Wonderful World" - or, as she put it, "the sound of a genius forced into a posthumous duet with a bozo."

The piece, headlined >>>"Satchmo-lestation,"<<< said that "what makes Kenny G bad for the Jews isn't his obvious lack of cool - it's his lack of shame." ]

Here's the actual entry for SD from the JewsRock site. I guess walter's judaism is honorary since he's "Yiddish-fluent":

[ Steely Dan

Jewish rock star dirty joke coincidence number two: while the Lovin SpoonfulÝ and 10CC are Jewish bands whose winking names need no explanation, few know that both indie rockers Clem Snide and soft-rock intellectuals Steely Dan are Jewish bands named after two of the cruder characters in William S. Burroughs' Naked Lunch. Clem Snide might have taken their name from a certain talking orifice, but Yiddish-fluent non-Jew Walter Becker and authentic Hebraic rocker Donald Fagen went with the moniker of a giant dildo. ItÝs the edgiest thing theyÝve ever done, but the Dan has an enormous cult following. CanÝt Buy a Thrill came out in 1972 and contained "Do It Again" and "Reeling in the Years," which both went to the top ten. Their next hit single came in 1974, when "Rikki DonÝt Lose that Number" from their third album also entered the top ten. Katy Lied, The Royal Scam, Aja, and Gaucho all did well during the end of the seventies, but then Steely Dan went into hibernation, emerging in 2000 with the acclaimed Two Against Nature. More than thirty years after the band first broke, thousands of fans still come out to see the duo play their jazzy, sophisticated pop live. ]

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 04:06:46 ET
Posted by: EmHgavrmDYurgQW, EmHgavrmDYurgQW

Date: Sat, July 09, 2005, 00:34:21 ET
Posted by: tones, got a feeling I've been here before

hello blue. Sorry to post so late but I wanted to spread the word.

They apparently got the message...


MTV, VH1 To Air Live 8 Performances Uninterrupted

Ten hours will be broadcast commercial-free on Saturday.

Responding to viewers and critics, MTV Networks has announced that it will broadcast 10 hours of Live 8 performance footage ˇ including sets from Jay-Z, U2, Paul McCartney and others ˇ commercial-free on MTV and VH1.

MTV and VH1 will each offer five hours of uninterrupted performance footage with differing artist lineups on Saturday. VH1 will air its Live 8 highlights from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday, while MTV's batch of highlights will roll out from 3 p.m. to 8 p.m.

"At MTV and VH1, we're in a constant and candid dialogue with our audience, and in the wake of the live events last Saturday, our viewers have resoundingly told us online they want to see full-set performances from their favorite artists," MTV Networks Music Group President Van Toffler said of the move. "As a result of viewer demand and thanks to the Live 8 organizers and performers, MTV and VH1 will air 10 consecutive hours from one of the most important musical events of our time."

MTV has also announced plans to roll out a half-hour special on the issues behind the Live 8 event on Friday at 9 p.m. ET. "Live 8: Next Steps" will re-air at 8 p.m. on Saturday immediately following the Live 8 highlights.

more at:

Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 23:33:39 ET
Posted by: hoops,

The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering July 2-8, 2005.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.

The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest for July 1 through today:

ˇ JOIN US NEXT WEEKEND IN CINCY: Audio Clips to whet your appetite
ˇ Re: Passing in the Extended SD family
ˇ EMG Essay Contest: It's Your Duty to Vote
ˇ - ENTRY 1: EMG: Two years later
ˇ - ENTRY 2: Mixing It Up: EMG
ˇ - ENTRY 3: EMG
ˇ - ENTRY 4: EMG
ˇ - ENTRY 5: EMG 2 years on
ˇ - ENTRY 6: EMG: An Essay
ˇ - ENTRY 7: EMG Essay

If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official or Official newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see


Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 21:09:43 ET
Posted by: Historian,

Five years ago tonight......

Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 18:58:12 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Ann: The folks who plot these atrocities are cold, cruel, calculating, rich, ruthless, control-hungry, strategic, forward thinking bastards who promote jihad as a prop to get OTHER poor bastards to strap 50 lbs of plastic explosive on their back on in hopes of meeting the 50 vestel virgins in paradise. Never saw the late Arafat or Osama volunteer to do their own dirty work The worst news is that they're willing to spend decades in caves just to kill us.

Stay strong English - remember the lesson of 3-11. Capitulate and you're like a guy who's paid the mafia off once...

Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 16:51:50 ET
Posted by: pH, (crouched under desk)

it looks like the domain name has been hijacked, but they had a insanely cool quote from either Donald or Walter that basically said, "It's not our job to interpret our lyrics, we have plenty of fans to do that." (paraphrased of course).

To the dandom and non-dandom of England, my sympathies and prayers go out to you.

Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 15:25:24 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Using toothpicks to keep his eyes open

Thank you Rajah ... I think.
Last night's gig was a hoot for sure. Thank you Angel and W1P for providing the Dan-Fest along with Gretchen and (of course) Rajah.

We are having a unique type of Dan-Fest on Sunday. Both the Doctor Wu and Pretzel Logic SD trib bands are getting together for a BBQ, a real Summer Smoker for food, folks, and fun. It's going to be a huge jam, a real wingding. Nothin' beats Summer.

(and on a more serious note ...)
I would like to add my most sincere, heartfelt condolences to our Brit friends who are suffering through a horrible experience. As for those terrorist assholes, they may be able to take a few of us, but they will never take all of us.

Good will always triumph over evil in the long run.

I stand with my country and the rest of the world to offer you support and to mourn your loss.

(and on a slightly happier note ...)



Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 14:49:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Terrible things continue to happen, the Brits and continental Europeans have been living under this spectre for decades now, I guess, going back to Munich in 1972. The pressure of living in a world like this takes its toll in so many unseen and insidious ways. It's enough to wear you down to a quivering mass of goo no matter how brave a face you put on it. We persevere as best we can. For what it's worth, please know we send out our loving support, you brave English.

All the more reason to fire up that victrola and slap on the tunes. And the band played on...

Great seeing our Angel and Pinky-doodle at Stevee's gig last night. Buttload of laughs, thanks you two, Steely Dan people are so derrrned fun and funny, specially insane piano players who pack props. I fully expected the rubber chicken to come out last night. I think Rip Taylor left his props to Steve in his will. Something to do with understanding and accepting the absurdity of existence maybe? Whoa, heavy dude. Thanks as always to the Pretzel Logic bandisti, hot fun in the summertime jams. The Fez had wings, yeah when things are going right, a groove like that seems to have a life of its own.

And of course, musicians being the competitive, vain, jealous and insecure creatures that they surely are (kinda like chicks, easy now, purrrrr...), everyone is very interested to hear what the Aja folks in Cincy cook up for us next weekend, I'm sure it'll be terrific but frankly, facing this here Bluebook crowd has got to be one of the more daunting challenges for any ensemble of musicians so just know that we are pulling for you to blow our doors off, you beautiful AJA people you, I've listened to your stuff on that link someone posted and, preliminarily, that drummer of yours sounds like he's en fuego, mui caliente, and that's the most important component, as we have been instructed.

Now keep this on the DL but Pinkimon's super secret sources (wink & nudge) tell him heavy negotiations are in the offing to explore the possibility of a Floyd reunion tour so shhhhh! don't snitch. W1P is vibrating at such a high amplitude that he's taken to wearing the big pink Huggies control top skivvies since Live8 to forstall any possibility of incontinence.

Let's all hold our peckers and pray to make it so.

Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 14:47:50 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hi Everyone in Dan Land.

As the total fatalities of yesterday are now over 50, I'm writing to thank you all for your kind words.

Alkali, you are very galant.

It grieves me to see how the human mind can be corrupted by false ideologies and promises of a place in paradise. How intolerance can lead to the destruction we have seen over the last few years. I think I'm pretty safe in saying that most/all of us here in the Blue book will be approaching this from a western perspective, but, as I remember Jeff Baxter saying, you have to start thinking "outside the box" when dealing with these people, to try to see what motivates them. I've seen first hand how people can be taken over and manipulated by evil influences offering promises of paradise. I could do nothing to change the situation, all I could do was walk out on it. It's the same with these people. We will not change what is now in their "hearts and minds". All we can do is protect ourselves as best we can and be ready for them next time.

One of our failings as a species is that we are always ready to grab power in any way we can and manipulate it for our own ends. A belief system based on tolerance and respect has been manipulated to suit the needs of those hungry for power. Even from the roots of our own culture we can see examples from the inquisition. Thank God we've moved on from that.

However, I am greatly cheered by the influence that "popular" music has on our world. I hate cultural imperialism, but when aspects of another's culture are taken up by choice - no problem. We saw much of the world united last week by the Live 8 concerts. Even down here in darkest Borneo, guitar culture prevails! When the young men emulate their "metal" heroes they don't lose their own culture, but simply acquire something extra from ours. But in the battle to unite hearts and minds, popular music does far more good than we imagine.

If there's anyone out there reading my drivel who happens to be influential in the music scene, use your fame and talents and go into these places of poverty and hatred of the west. Share your talents. Set the example that we're not all bad. Try and win over some young hearts and minds before they're influenced by more sinister ideologies.

It's not just about money, although the G8 leaders have done their bit today. It's about setting a good example.

May the great energy source bless you all.


Date: Fri, July 08, 2005, 10:55:51 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

CJ-nice piece a few posts back.
Let me review for a momentÍ

Rikki is about gay conversion?
I always thought it was about mailing a ýjointţ to a friend through the mail,
Where I come from ýjointsţ are called ýnumbersţ

Haitian Divorce is about retribution and black-spiteful- revenge?
I always thought it was about a gone-bad relationship between a black American G.I. and a Vietnamese ýSits the Charlie with the lotion and the kinky hair When she smiled, she said it allţ a ýgreasy chairţ is what the GIÝs called the chair the Vietnamese used for torture.

Black Cow is about drug intervention?
I always thought it was about Star Jones from ýthe Viewţ
ýdrink, you big black cow and get out of hereţ

The point is that everyone views and/or hears the lyrics as they see fit.
Does anyone really know what the lyrics mean?
Do Becker and Fagen even know?

One of the things that I love about the boys is their words and how they immediately send me back to the place I was, whether physically or mentally, when I heard it.
The mystery became my own and no one elseÝs.

Please donÝt tell me what it ýreallyţ means.

ANN Borneo-I want to tell you and your fellow Brits how awful I felt for you when I heard of the bombings, my thoughts are with you.
I also want to apologize for the racist remarks I made about those people.

Rather than accept that the jihadists who live in and visit Britain themselves make no distinction between their anti-British rhetoric and their anti-Semitic rhetoric, the British societal elite, on both the Left and the Right, have been intent on ignoring that in the
minds of those who seek their destruction, there is no distinction between the war against the Jews and the war against the Christian West.


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 19:33:27 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Been running errands all day and have not been able to follow much news coverage of the London bombings, but I just wanted to add that of course my thoughts and sympathies are with the British people this evening.

I'm saddened and horrified. I want no part of anybody's belief system (political, religious, or whatever) which would allow such actions to be interpreted as "right" or "justified" in any way.

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 16:47:05 ET
Posted by: 0UCnbSvYSEWBXuy, 0UCnbSvYSEWBXuy

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 15:37:25 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, USA

Empathy, prayer, and hope for our British friends.

Saw the news as it was breaking, very early this morning, EST.

Friends, we've got to do something about this, BIGTIME.

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 13:43:25 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

Latest figures announced at 6.30 pm local time:

37 killed

700 injured

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 12:25:47 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

12 midnight in Borneo. I've been trying all night to get back on line, but everything has been jammed. Just got through. Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and prayers, but please keep it up for the families of the 33 people (latest number) who have lost their lives in this horrendous event and for those who are injured.

Coming from the north of England, as far as I know, I don't personally know anyone involved in London, but hundreds of Bruneian students will still be there, preparing to come back for the holidays. I'm praying none of them are injured. However, even if I know no one, there is still the common bond that I share with my countrymen, no matter what their colour or creed. The UK will always be home even though I've not been back for over 5 years. The support being expressed already by the G8 leaders is heart warming and reflects the bonds we share especially with our North American cousins. It was only a few days ago I was saying exactly that here in the Blue Book.

Thanks Jim, and all you others for being there for us Brits in our hour of need.


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 09:57:38 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Yes, this morning I got up and immediatly heard the news.........which quickly turned to concern for train rides WHEREVER they are......

It's a bit more tense in the subways gthis morning - and uzi's are once again seen on the street........

Condolences and Best wishes to all ..........


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 09:48:32 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore

To our Friends of the British Isle and beyond: Our thoughts and prayers for you all.
Fife and Mr.Sam

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 09:39:55 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Howard, Basic, Ann: Many condolances. our hearts are with you.

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 08:45:31 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Thanks for that.

Much appreciated.

I understand that, as a result of this morning's attacks, the security levels in Washington and New York have been radically increased?

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 08:41:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Bass..., Ann, and others: I'm so sorry and you and your country mates are in my prayers as I am sure those of everyone who posts or lurks here.

Ed: Great to see you.


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 07:48:06 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK

London under terrorist attack

Started at shortly before 9.00 a.m. local time.

6 explosions on tubes trains and 1 on bus.

Numerous casualties and rising.

Al Quadea (Europe) "claiming" responsibility, but not yet confirmed.

Please remember us in you prayers.

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 07:46:30 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Ann - just heard the news myself. At least 6 explosions in London this morning, mostly on the underground system but at least one bus also exploded. Many casualties and 2 dead already confirmed.

Tony Blair is returning from the G8 to London, but will go back to the summit later.

Very disturbing news.


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 07:07:04 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

Enervated by EdB's return, let me just state that I miss Altamira like I miss being 19 years old.

Come back to the five-and-dime, Altamira ...

Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 07:06:52 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

12 noon British Summer Time. 7pm Borneo time. Breaking news of massive explosions across London's public transport system. Is this our 9/11? Suddenly I feel very far from home. Skunk - your skills are needed now.


Date: Thurs, July 07, 2005, 01:56:47 ET
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf

hey Ed,

second that, my man.

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 23:43:46 ET
Posted by: ed Beatty, @the house finally





Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 23:07:50 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Daddy G! That was so cool about the must be a stud; I can't see calling a gelding Steely Dan. I really appreciate it a great deal when you post those tid-bits. Thank yoU!

I have to also whole-heartedly agreeˇthe DVD-A disc of "Kamakiriad" is so amazing and adds a whole new dimension in terms of audio, not to mention the videos and interviews included. Even if you just have a DVD player connected to stereo, it will be worth it. Get it!

Nitey, folks!


Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 22:35:23 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., NJ

Des Moines police Sgt. Debra Richardson mounts Steely Dan daily...

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 22:29:44 ET
Posted by: rGqUiIfM3HnHEmc, rGqUiIfM3HnHEmc

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 22:04:23 ET
Posted by: Her Brother, Burning with rage.....

PH-The Kamikiriad DVD-A is the best! It's a must have and sounds like a completely new recording from the original CD release. Elliot Schiner should get a gold medal for what he achieved on the Kamikiriad DVD-A production. It's insane!

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 21:52:09 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, No Guru


The Kama DVD-A is quite an aural achievement and is a must for your collection...IMHO, I also feel that EMG is equally spectacular on this platform...The Gaucho SACD is excellent as well but in a much different way...The sound on this release is much "warmer" than the two mentioned above, the separation not quite as stark but still quite apparent...

SOME SACD's will play in a standard CD player (these are known as hybrids and are generally labeled as such)...Gaucho is one of these "hybrids"...

Finally...I'm still not sure that you're actually hearing the true 5.1 DVD-A mix of Nightfly by playing it on a computer unless the computer features a DVD-A player or suitable software...

But then again...


Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 20:26:53 ET
Posted by: pH, posting between the raindrops

Some pointless drivel:

I finally have a 5.1 surround system set on my computer. Although I've had the Nightfly DVD-A for months, I've only been able to listen to the stereo tracks, and I can at last listen to the album in it's full glory. There's some distortion in the back speakers, but I think that's because they're under my bed. Some time this week I'll hang them on the wall to be level with the front.

And my first impression is, "WOW". The album is such a beatiful work in the first place, but hearing it come from every direction emphasizes that fact all the more. I even turned the subwoofer down to a normal level (which is usually cranked as high as it'll go) to appreciate the perfection.

My favorite songs in surround version are "Green Flower Street" and "The Goodbye Look"... The fade from front speakers to back during "Lou Chang burns with rage" chorus was a spectacular effect. I almost cried.

So what should I buy next? The Kamikiriad DVD-A, or the Gaucho SACD? I can't afford both at the moment, and I'm leaning toward Gaucho because that's my favorite album at the moment. I also need one thing cleared up from the audio hardware gurus... an SACD will not play in a standard stereo CD player, correct?

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 17:42:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Chrysler - maybe you can give me the address of that "Connemara" outlet so some of our more follically-challenged Bluemeisters might avail themselves of the hair out there.

Another exception to Cincy Joe's post is the description of Steely Dan tracks as "sterilized."

"Perfected," "polished," "meticulous," I think is closer to the mark. As for the dearth of sponteneity in the recordings, that's not how I hear them. The rhythm tracks are clockwork perfection, it's true. But all the overdubbed solos we've come to know and love like Phil Woods on Dr. Wu and Jay Graydon on Peg, and so many many more were chosen chiefly because of the extra something special they delivered over and above the umpteen other people who laid down their attempts in the studio.

A word about the Pink Floyd performance the other day. They were just great, Roger Waters looked like he was having fun and played the hell outta that axe. They should do it again, nice touch invoking Syd Barrett just prior to "Wish You Were Here." They had a lot of class and credibility up there.

Roger Daltrey of the Who is finally showing his age and had to reach up to squeeze out some phrases. Sorry, Joey, might be time to retire that horse.

Coverage by MTV and VH1 was terrible, I realize they needed to protect the show from piracy but they chopped the damn thing up so much that it really didn't seem like a concert at all. Fewer acts and a smaller scale show might have worked better. I'm sure the DVD due at Thanksgiving will be much more satisfying than the shows.

But here's to Crosby Stills and Nash and the Who for being the only acts up there from the original Woodstock, how many friggin lifetimes ago was THAT? Melanie and Richie Havens, where are you now? Somewhere out there, I suspect, with my old ponytail...

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 16:39:35 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

Cincy: Wrong on both counts, bro! At 50, I can boast a head of full, thick Connemara Irish hair, nothing dangling from it, bud.

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 16:31:26 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Cool writing Cincy Joe!

BTW: I have a pony tail, but I only clip it on for special occassions and George Carlin shows.


Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 09:14:09 ET
Posted by: steelydoubt, lompoc, ca

i hope this hasnt beren posted b4.

(warning: TASTELESS, but a little funny.)

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 06:53:02 ET
Posted by: Halcyon Days & Halcion Nights, Cleveland Heat

Is there gonna be a Steely Dan fest in Cincinnati?

I have been there. And it was a nice party. But they stole my wallet.

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 06:32:42 ET
Posted by: Cincy Joe, Ohio

I Drove The Crysler- You don't happen to be balding with a ponytail?

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 05:45:15 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong

Cincy Joe, I liked your piece. Nicely presented.

I have an idea of where Chrysler is coming from on the music side, but I can say I see what you mean on the lyrics hiding under the musical gems.

It's that supermarket thing.. the hummable tunes that separate me from the lyrics.

After listening to The Second Arrangement....I thought this might have been one of the finest examples of what you're saying. The chords are so perfect, sliding into that feel good chorus, as everyone shuffles away down the detergent aisle to that song about MARITAL INFIDELITY.

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 03:04:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

The Carlin thing underscores the misconceptions about them. Their stuff works on a few levels at once. The smooth jazz thing, a misguided movement unintentionally fueled by AJA, is what a non-receptive listener might hear. Dosen't rock hard enough for some, a little obtuse which sometimes pisses the casual listener off, music and lyrics too, and that whiny lead singer...fougettabou. Carlin looks like a Rolling Stones fan to me, hey this guy was wearing black suits and skinny ties on the Ed Sullivan Show waaay before he got *hip* and God help us, relevant. I liked Carlin when he did the "Hippy Dippy Weather-Man" from won-der-ful WINO but his chops as a music critic are strictly from hunger.

Now as for Steely Dan fans being uncool, they can all just kiss my pocket protector.

Date: Wed, July 06, 2005, 02:27:55 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Chrysler - I'm in the passnger seat with ya. The lyrics are adult, sardonic, funny, clever, witty, subversive...but it's pure lagniappe.

I know what he's saying- it's the Hill Street Blues opening montage effect: the juxtaposition of smooth ear candy over a train wreck of humanity presented like an impressionist puzzle with half the pieces missing, yet never vulgar.

These snarky SOBs snuck Ellington, Monk, Miles, Mose Allison, 'Trane, Brubeck, Art Blakey, Grant Green, Horace Silver, Joe Henderson, Kenny Dorham, Charlie Parker, Charles Brown, Ray Charles, Gamble & Huff, with NO white music (aside for Dylanesque angles to the lyrics) from the Beatles on into a rock/pop funhouse, and directed the mirrors in a way so that the surface sheen of Gaucho and Two Against Nature appear alike, when underneath the albums have very little to do with each other musically...

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 23:31:25 ET
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PA

Cincy Joe, kudos to you for a very well thought-out personal essay, on the mysterious hold the Dan has on so many of us (well, not THAT many, I suppose, in comparison to the draw 99% of all other bands/artists have).
But that hold is for different reasons depending on the dan fan; some of us, you will find it hard to believe, pay far more more attention to the music than to the lyrics.

You are typical of the listener whose primary interest is in the lyrics to rock/popular music, and your aesthetic value judgements are obviously based on the quality of the words, not the sounds. From my experience, you are in the majority of popular music afficionados. And there's nothing wrong with that. BUT . . .

You are also typical of the listener who just doesn't "get" Steely Dan's music. "Whitewashed?" "Lite jazz-fusion?" Cincy, how long have you been paying attention to this board? Have you read the posts by myself, FACW, and several others the past week or so, for instance? Your grasp of D & W's music is entirely superficial and hopelessly misconstrued. You seem to have no idea, no clue whatsoever, to the heritage, the sources, the sophistication of Steely Dan's music, the ingenious manipulation and transformation of musical elements and influences displayed in SD's incomparable pop-tonal art.

Like Dave Liebman said a long time ago, "Ask the musicians!"

Yeah, I know you don't know who Dave Liebman is . . .

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 20:00:08 ET
Posted by: Cincy Joe, Ohio

So we're watching George Carlin, and after a long stretch of thoroughly disgusting bodily function material, he characteristically started in on people he hates, people who should die. People who use cell phones. People who strap their babies to their backs. Yuppies in any capacity. (Someone should tell him that "yuppies" no longer exist, and even people who use cell phones live in a far grayer area than ol' curmudgeon George can apparently fathom.) At one point, he threw out the phrase, "...listening to Steely Dan..." with predictable venom, as part of a list of terrible terrible cultural transgressions committed by the imaginary demographic that he makes a living hating, in that ugly stance of his: angry, mean, bent knees, oddly hunched back and shrugged shoulders. (I worry that after full-body carpal tunnel sets in after years of using the computer in an ill-suited chair, that's what I'll look like.) My girlfriend looked at me and smiled, as if to say, "He gotcha! You sure are lame because you listen to Steely Dan!" Once again appalled at the chronic misunderstanding that this band suffers (and will surely continue to suffer forever), all I could muster was a weak "I like Steely Dan!"

I would have launched into a tirade about their lyrical sophistication, their control, their deep appreciation of the jazz that their sound is built around, but nobody cares. Let's face it -- George has a point. Acknowledging for a moment that the yuppies of yore live on in all their various vile incarnations, I'm quite sure a lot of them own Steely Dan Gold, or Ten Years of Steely Dan. A lot of them own Kenny G, too. That's not random Kenny G bashing -- they really do. The cooler ones maybe have something by Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, and that's not saying much about the level of cool we're up against. The modern jazz fans are a sad lot, in my not-so-humble opinion. (Aside: A recent Saturday Night Live skit featured John Stewart on a modern jazz TV show, presumably on BET, sporting long, greasy, curly hair, a soul patch, and playing the spoons. It was like Spinal Tap for jazz. Not far off the mark at all.) Maybe Carlin has a good, head-nod-worthy reason to hate these people, and maybe he doesn't, but he's right about them listening to Steely Dan.

That's not Steely Dan's fault, though, any more that it's Bruce Springsteen's fault that "Born in the USA" got co-opted as a patriotic tune. Look at these lyrics, dripping with the most cynical sort of poetry:
"I decline/ To walk the line/ They tell me that I'm lazy/ Worldly wise/ I realize/ That everybody's crazy/ A woman's voice reminds me/ To serve and not to speak/ Am I myself or just another freak?" (from "Fire in the Hole," Can't Buy a Thrill, 1972)
"While he plundered far and wide/ All his starving children cried/ And though we sung his fame/ We all went hungry just the same" (from "Kings," Can't Buy a Thrill, 1972)

"You know that the coming is so close at hand/ You feel all right/ I guess only women in cages can stand/ This kind of night/ I guess only women in cages/ Can play down/ The things they lose/ You think no tomorrow will come/ When you lay down/ You can't refuse" (from "Razor Boy," Countdown to Ecstacy, 1973)

"It's a beggars life, said the Queen of Spain/ But don't tell it to a poor man/ 'Cause he's got to kill for every thrill" (from "Night by Night," Pretzel Logic, 1974)

They're not the kind of lyrics one could mistake for being reassuring. They're undeniably dark. Even many popular hits are widely misunderstood. "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" is about one gay man trying to convert a man who is unsure of his sexuality. ("You tell yourself you're not my kind/ But you don't even know your mind.") "Black Cow" is about a friend's concern for another friend's growing drug habit. ("One of these/ Surely will screen out the sorrow/ But where are you tomorrow?") And let's not forget the hilarious "Hatian Divorce," in which an unsatisfied wife sleeps with the darkest, kinkiest black man she can find, just to horrify her husband and family. I'm not picking these for maximum offensiveness, either. These are samples out of a hat. The whole body of work that Steely Dan left behind stinks of a bitter, pessimistic, weird, and witty worldview. To answer Donald Fagen's 1972 question, he is just another freak.

So how did he and his buddy Walter Becker become superstars among some of the lamest people in America? Well, they made the mistake of writing clean, upbeat, immensely catchy songs. The music itself betrays nothing at all of the darkness underneath. It is studio polished to an extreme; the performances of the session players are nothing less than professional, if not downright flat. Musically, Steely Dan is the exact opposite of, say, The Velvet Underground. (I think I read somewhere that the way their sound developed was in direct response to their disgust with that very band. I imagine myself to be very clever to have bought the boxed sets of both.) Even many of the rock critics of their day, people usually drawn to the kind of cynicism and lyrical invention found so abundantly in their albums, found them boring. It's hard to care about a band, they said, when they play with so little passion, when everything is so squeaky-clean, so un-spontaneous. Fuck these guys, they said, I'm going to listen to The Stooges.

Not that they made a bad choice necessarily, but if a little time is given to acquiring a taste for this band, they're delicious, and deliciously perplexing. The juxtaposition of the whitewashed music and the dirty, urban morality tales creates a tension all its own. Think for a moment: what kind of mind decides to put this kind of music to these lyrics? What are they trying to prove, what are they getting at? It's not about spontaneous release of emotion, obviosly, and it's not even slightly improvised, so it's not rock and it's not jazz. What is it?

I admit that I have no idea, but that may be what keeps me listening after all these years. Steely Dan is not so much a band as a bizarre intellectual project, designed to test you and maybe your patience, all the while giving you a tune you won't be able to stop humming. There's really nothing like it, and there probably never will be again. There's a reason that their albums Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go sounds like they could have been made 20 years ago -- it's not dated, it's just Dan. That's they way they sound. Put Donald Fagen and Walter Becker in a room together anywhere, anytime, and the music they make will always sound polished, and lilting, and include twisted tales of sex, drugs, and modern desperation. It's what they do. In a strange way, these two men are pouring out their souls on track after sterilized track.

Not that any of this is ever going to help their image. I'm fighting a losing battle just by trying to argue this, I know, because the music sounds like lite rock-jazz fusion, and it's been embraced by all the uncoolest sorts of people. (I keep thinking of a balding guy with a ponytail as the consummate Dan fan.) I can hear the people now... "Jesus man, what's next, Hall and Oates?"


July 17th Cincy Dan Fest less than two weeks away!

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 19:24:12 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

In such an example, I consider George Carlin's hypocricy funny in and of itself -- in much the same ironic way D&W's lyrics can be. Quite appropriate to the situation!

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 13:50:17 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

George Carlin wearing a Steely Dan T-Shirt, Hmmm it makes me wonder.
he makes fun of their fans in his stand-up routines and then he sports their attire.
it sounds like ol' George is a hypocrite.
just like him to put down America and enjoy it's spoils.

speaking of anti-America...
Live 8 (aid) is covering the news media like an old well worn and smelly sweater.
what a joke! can't these "rockers" think of a more worthy cause to raise money for?


Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 11:02:41 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Spot on about your king and the gold carpets!!!!!!
Check your emails

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 11:00:17 ET
Posted by: Halcion Nights,

Ah, Brunei. I have heard of that place. Our king was there a couple of years a go, made a fool out of himself. He thought he was in Burma or something. So embarrassing.

Your king has a giant palace there, right? With grain of gold in the rugs and stuff like that?

And yes, the days in Sweden are looong now. That's nice. Too soon we dolly back, and fade to black. Uhu.


Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 10:47:38 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hi Scandinavian,

Hope you're enjoying loooooong days right now!!
If you can't come to the rainforest music festival this year, save up for next year. Fly in via Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. Very cheap living here, fantastic environment, nice people. My bit of Borneo is Brunei. Watch for my posting on 15th July to find out more!


Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 04:41:47 ET
Posted by: Forgot to ask...,

...what are you doing in Borneo? Do you come from Borneo or are you there working... ?


Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 04:32:22 ET
Posted by: Halcion Nights,

Ann - checked in your URL. Fact is I liked to go there, but you know, money money. People from all around are playing, Senegal, Pakistan, Poland, Sarawak(?). Sounds great to me.

If you go, have fun, and think of this frozen Scandinave (well, it's not THAT cold, +23 degrees celcius).

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 00:58:28 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Chrysler: Now, we're onto something. Mix Ellington and Porte Mood Indigo with some Charles Brown

What if rock and roll hadn't started with the hips, but with the Grooooooove. It might have cooked something like this. Yep, Walter and Donald reinvented rock and roll and no one paid attention. How much for that Korean Rolex knock-off in the corner of the case?

Well-boiled down:

Contrived = TvN

I don't think there's an album that's as much in a bubble as this one

organic = EMG

Back to melody, harmony, the story, the core

Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 00:37:51 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Hi there!

Looking for something to do this weekend?? Why not hop on a plane and get yourself down here into Borneo!!

Kuching, the capital of Sarawak (a state of Malaysia in north-west Borneo) is hosting the annual "Rainforest World Music Festival". Lots of different acts from all over the world, including a bluegrass band from the US and an old boy band from Australia, a celtic band from Poland (!!) and some African, Middle Eastern and South American acts. Sorry for the late notice but news doesn't travel well in these parts! Sounds good.

Combine it with a trip in to the rainforest, see the culture - its fascinating!!

Might see you there!


Date: Tues, July 05, 2005, 00:23:39 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

Wow, here I am listening again to 2vN and EMG back to back, all the way through both in succession, and my eyes adjust to the light! Masterfully contrived brilliance followed by organically flowing stylistic breakthrough! The genius of EMG finally hitting me upside the head in all its art-poppy splendor! Eureka! Two-years-plus later, and I fully "get it" at last! AND I'M STONE COLD SOBER!!!

Funny how that now happened with only those albums; All of the Dan's previous albums I "got" right away, but these two are something else again. Why is it only now, RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, I realize just how great an album EMG is? I mean, for two years I couldn't help but think there was something special about it, that it represented the true start of Steely Dan II, but only now I'm REALLY digging it . . .

FACW may have really been on to something there when he recommended listening to EMG right after the Marian McPartland session. Well, I didn't do just that exactly, but I HAD been listening to the Piano Jazz CD fairly regularly before today-- there's that 20s-30s Armstrong/Morton/Ellington raw, ORGANIC sophistication that may be--hell, probably IS--the key to really UNDERSTANDING what D & W were up to on EMG . . .

Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 14:28:31 ET
Posted by: Halcion Nights,

Hoops - are you gonna watch the fireworks from the Chicago seaside?

I spent a 4th of July in Gulfport, don't remember if that's Louisiana or Mississppi (as if it matters), but it was nice lying out there on the shore, drinking Gin & Tonic, watching the fireworks from the boat. We had some reefers too. Very nice. Posh. Stellar.


Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 14:22:09 ET
Posted by: Daddy G., Re: release dates

This is off the Dan path, but since you mention release dates Hoops, I just thought I'd throw this out there with a question....

I'm one of the few posters to this or other Dan boards who is also into country music. (Sorry. Can't help it, it's in my genes I guess, but I won't bore you with details.) Anyway, I heard a new Trisha Yearwood song on the one local country station the other day, so I figured she'd have a new CD coming out soon (first one since 2001, a longer than usual interim for a major country artist). I went to her website to try to find when it's due and in among the several references to the new album there didn't seem to be one mention of a specific date of release! I tried to check the fan boards to see if there was something specific there, but didn't find anything quick or obvious like I thought I would. So finally I just Googled her name and the album title and I find out it's set to be released Sept 13. Based on what you're saying about Stevie Wonder's new one and the known history of Dan releases I guess I can't complain.

It just seems to me that in the past when I started hearing a new song on the radio, the album was usually released about a month later. A whole 2.5 months seems like a longer than usual amount of time to me between the first single release getting airplay and the album release. I don't know if the country world differs much from the rest of the genres.

What is a "normal" amount of delay between the single release and the album release? Is there something going on in the music world in general, some behind the scenes issues that might be causing release delays in general?

I don't recall how much time there was between the first Dan singles from 2vN and EMG getting airplay and the actual album release dates because, well, frankly I just didn't >>hear<< the Dan singles on the radio. If it wasn't for the various Dan boards I might not have even known they were putting out new albums!

Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 14:20:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, wondering........

The fact that Donald's tour with Rundgren never came to fruition can be very good, or very bad. On the good side, perhaps he is planning a SD tour for next year, and decided to shelve a tour to promote his solo effort. In addition, maybe there's a delay with his release because he wants it to come out a little closer to next summer's tour. On a bad note, the tour plans were cancelled because he doesn't know when the hell he's releasing the album. I look at the recent recording sessions in NY as a good sign, being that he was there as recently as last month. Speculation is a bad thing, however.

Happy 4th, everyone.


Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 13:33:53 ET
Posted by: hoops, A couple of more things

Speaking of Motown, did you see their new logo? Granted Motown isn't much more than a logo these days, but now the logo is DUMB! It looks like a dumbbell! (Can't help it, I am into graphics.) It's shown on the second Stevie Wonder single, "From the Bottom Of My Heart" which is delightfully Stevie in his Stevieness.

The constant delays with SW's new one has me irrationally worried about DF's next one. With all the talk about when DF's solo album is coming and speculation about potential delay factor, Stevie Wonder's latest is in the company of "Kamakiriad" as far as delays. Stevie has had two singles out now and his album, "A Time To Love," had been delayed for what seems like years; then in May they had ads for it, even sale priced in the Sunday ads for Best Buy and Circuit City. Two days later I get to the store--the album has been delayed again with no new release date!!! Almost two months later, there STILL is no re-scheduled release date. or which--now shows the release date as 2010! (Clearly they mean they don't know and that's how their database indicates it.) just says "soon." Granted they compose and print those Best Buy ads a few weeks in advance, but it raised the specter of fear for me! If it can happen to Stevie Wonder's album, it's perfectly possible that DF's album could have ads for release and get pulled back at the last minute. Remember all the times Kama had its release date rolled back? Arrrgggh!


Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 13:19:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, Park Ridge

I actually didn't catch Live 8, except for a few bits, but I wanted to share some news snippets I caught in the past day or so that might be of interest to those of you who did.

Here's a tangent. Sure is a lot of criticism of MTV for over-controlling and talking over the coverage and cutting away at the worst possible times. It reminded me of why I am no longer glued to the TV for the Olympics as I once was. The TV anchors think it's about them. Of course, I prefer such concerts like those by Dylan and the Dead where even the band itself says nothing between songs. Now, gasp, I'll mention probably the only thing I didn't like about the 2000 SD shows: like some of you, I really disliked it when Donald gave an spoken intro over the musical intro to "Janie Runaway." ("This is from our new album, '2vN'...") The musical intro to JR is awesome and, although it was DF talking, I had an impulse similar to when I want to tell the person next to me to be quiet during the show. MTV--> Olympics--> Dylan, Dead-->2000 tour: How's that for a tangent from my crazy mind?

I'm not into Beyonc╚ and Destiny's Child (except that they are easy on the eyes), but one writer commented how absurd one piece of coverage was. Apparently the reunion of Destiny's Child after two weeks was weighted as seriously as the reunion of Pink Floyd after 24 years. Now I didn't experience it myself but it's easy to imagine it being that ridiculous.

Regarding the requests for a certain someone to comment on Pink Floyd.

[I originally had a post that would attempt to subtlely explain but he was offended. So here it is without what I felt were the niceties.]

"Please don't encourage him." Ann, others: Thanks for what you bring here. Again, one off topic post (ie a post not at least a couple hops removed from Steely Dan) from a regular is fine by me. In fact, no need to apologize--please do me a favor and skip the apologies, it's cool. It's just the people who beat completely off-topic threads to death without feeding the core purpose that caused people to ask that this place be created.

Wow! What a young age for Luther Vandross to be dead! And I didn't know he was worked with Bowie. Can only wonder if was big in the prime of Motown and Stax . And amazing to think Obie Benson's last performance was on Letterman. When I saw that a few months ago, I was amazed they still were going, albeit with a couple of fill-ins.


Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 08:37:43 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

Didn't catch the concerts, but who cares what all those other acts were like; I wanna know what the luscious BEYONCE was like (pant pant)!

Also, Fox newsbabes junkies, any of you see Dari Alexander lately? Where did she go?

Date: Mon, July 04, 2005, 05:50:09 ET
Posted by: me, here

hi gretch.

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 15:54:00 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Raj: Do not be afraid to dig someone under 25. Maroon 5 has chops - they sneak in quite a bit of R&B and jazz chords and inflections into a robust stew of post- post- modern pop. They have a knack for hooks while avoiding the one-hit bludgeoning like The Knack. Are the lyrics tied to the mast? Well no, but not too many in their early 20s think like addled profesors, as Donald and Walter. Most of all Maroon 5 is a good live band above the garage level...

Sir Paul sounded pretty decent I thought - actually cought him on a bank of big screens wile we ran errands

gotta run

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 11:34:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Low praise, I know. Got underwhelmed. I mean the singer really, he's very good. He did some duet with Stevie Wonder that I apparently missed.

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 10:57:58 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


Maroon 5 executed?

Sounds like an over-reaction to me. LOL

Also, mustn't it be difficult to be humble when you are as cool and multi-talented as Pete Doherty?? LOL Whatever possessed Sir elton to bring that idiot on??!! LOL

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 10:53:15 ET
Posted by: FACW,

Don't Forget Canadian Michael Bubl╚ - he's got Chrisriaan McBride, Dean Parks, and Vinnie Colaiuta on his latest release...and somehow his enthusiasm has prevented producer David Foster from sucking the life out of a recording...

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 09:59:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

OK, apologies!! As a Geography teacher I should know better!!!!!

I'll re-phrase and say to all US citizens, domestic and expatriate, and anyone else who holds the right of residence in the USA or considers the USA to be "their" country or home:


Hoops, I hope you don't mind my transgression here from the main aim of the Blue Book, but as it's special occasions for both Canada and the USA around this time, I would like to quote the words of a British politician from around 10(?) years ago, when there was a problem with Spanish fishing boats going into Canadian territiorial waters. Fellow members of the European Union (or whatever they're calling it these days) presumed that popular opinion in the UK would be with the Spanish. More recent events have proved the allegance between the UK and USA too. John Redwood's quote just about sums up the feeling that prevails in my fair land, certainly with my generation. John's political leanings are unimportant in this context:

" This Canadian flag aroused strong British feelings when many saw a common cause with our Commonwealth ally, rather than our European one. The fishing dispute and the Quebec referendum reminded the world of the passions that make up the identity of a people. They served as a warning to politicians who wish to override our sense of belonging."

So all you "North Americans" out there, maybe this is why we love you, and hopefully you love us (a bit!)


Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 08:24:17 ET
Posted by: Halcion Nights,

Hi Ann, is that South, Middle or North America?

Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 04:01:48 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo


For anyone who sent their details/music selections to the Jeff Baxter show, the phone session has been re-scheduled to August.

Congratulations (for tomorrow) to all Americans, on your Independence Day.


Date: Sun, July 03, 2005, 02:26:54 ET
Posted by: ss, hk

When push came to shove Elton John didn't dip into the shlock. Always has the good sense to go easy on the post '76 catalogue if he's in he wrong place.

Musical Canucks also include Gil Evans, Glen Gould and Maynard Ferguson, plus Renee Rosnes, The Stampeders (Sweet City Woman), Ian Thomas (unheralded but worthy brother of Dave), Chilliwack, Ian and Sylvia, etc.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 18:33:21 ET
Posted by: Pam, not getting much done today...

I thought Roger Daltrey and Dave Gilmour were still in fine voice after all this time. Both sets were terrific; wish The Who got more than 2 songs, though :(

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 18:28:25 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, pigs have flown!!

Pink Floyd was excellent, especially "Money," which sounded better than it did on DSOTM. Thankfully the whole set was broadcast - where are you, W1P? We need your take on this........
They look in great form, for a bunch of geezers, especially Roger Waters (of course no one can hold a candle to Donald).


Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 18:28:11 ET
Posted by: Pamela Joyce, Wish I Were There

MTV goes to commercial during the solo for Comfortable Numb. Brilliant.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 18:09:30 ET
Posted by: Where is W1P?, the dark side of the moon......

Not as nice is Pink Floyd is doing right now!

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 17:25:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

MAROON 5 executed very nicely.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 16:33:21 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Sting's stripped-down punk band is great. He's honoring the Police signature...great to see.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 16:05:34 ET
Posted by: Live365,

Live365, the provider of Radio Free Dandom and RFD2, is having technical difficulties. As a result, the stations may be down off and on through the weekend.

Thanks for your patience.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 15:48:05 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage,

Anyone catch A&E's Biography on George Carlin? This is one funny man - if you haven't read his book Napalm and Silly Putty, it's gut-busting funny. Anyway, just after GC went "long hair", there was a pic of him and his controlling Mom. GC was sporting his Steely Dan t-shirt! Outrageous.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 14:56:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Here's your Live8 online, pick London, Paris or Berlin:

I'd like to see Roxy Music from Berlin, I missed the Cure from Paris already. MTV and VH1 are doing a three-hour delay show but with very little live action, mostly edited clips, except for Madonna who rated a broadcast of two live numbers. She didn't embarass herself by any means. Green Day was dressed in a kind of neo-Nazi knock-off costume with armbands at the Brandenberg Gate doing "American Idiot."

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 13:24:46 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

Catherine O'Hara is Canadian, born in Toronto, Ontario, qualifies her for a Canadian passport. Thanks for the rest of the list, my middle-aged brain ain't what it used to be. Perhaps I will be able to create kaos next year at this time. lol Now on to Independence Day. Cheers!

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 11:41:38 ET
Posted by: Halcion Nights,

Joni Mitchell's from Canada. So is Neil Young.

And Celine. But he's a writer.


Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 10:50:29 ET
Posted by: Chrys, again, PA

I was NOT being ironically sarcastic; I LIKE Canada and Canadians. The people on my below list really are great, IMHO. In fact, head for head, I'd have to say there are more talented Canucks than Yanks, to be honest about it.

Re Pat's site: Yeah, what gives? When you follow the instructions to get on and post (type in a user name and password), you STILL can't get in. Or at least I can't. The window tells me I have an invalid user name and/or password. What's up with that?

Sorry Hoops--was I allowed to mention that? THE BLUE IS STILL THE BEST!!!

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 10:34:47 ET
Posted by: Chrysler, PA

Great Canadians inexplicably not mentioned:

Kenny Wheeler
The Band
Leonard Cohen
Gordon Lightfoot

David Steinberg
John Candy
Rick Moranis
Dave Thomas

Catherine O'Hara is NOT Canadian; she's from Chicago.

Now if I'm USA born and bred, and can easily come up with these names, you actual Canucks can come up with more names than you did. Shame, shame.

And just what the hell is wrong with the great Neil Young, jackball?

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 09:36:57 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

The only broadcast that I saw for Live 8 was on MTV starting at noon. Perhaps Pink Floyd should play something from the Monty Python repretoire, apparently they and Led Zepplin financed the making of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Brave Sir Robin, now that would be fun!
Thank goodness time is whipping past, a spring release for Don's solo album, if that indeed is when Donald puts it out, isn't too far away!

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 07:09:13 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, awakened by Jazz

Q, check out this site Also sent you an email. Hope to see you and Pix.

Also, I haven't been keeping up with the Live 8 thing but this site seems to have some info There might be others...

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 06:52:50 ET
Posted by: Q double post..., TPA

Final stupid question: Is Live 8 (and particularly Pink Floyd's performance) available on USA broadcast? If so what network/cable outlet?


Jazz on...

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 06:46:19 ET
Posted by: Original Q, TPA

Yo, what's the info on Cinci again, I have been mega busy lately and never thought I could find the time to go, but if anyone could email me the basic info, I would appreciate it and will try to attend- clearly, this is as close as we're all going to get to a "Dan" gig for the next 2 years... and likely beyond... (sad face thing attached here)

Still say DF solo tour, year.........

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 05:45:31 ET
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK


According to the UK Press, Floyd will be performing:

Wish You Were Here
Comfortably Numb

According to Nick Mason, not only have they not rehearsed any of the material, they have'nt even actually met face to face to discuss the songs and/or running order. :-)

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 04:54:01 ET
Posted by: ss, hk

Here's a good, and lengthy, piece about SD from a production website. It's part Fever Dreams, part industry chat. Well worth the time....if you ignore the mistakes in the band's bio.

Date: Sat, July 02, 2005, 04:38:02 ET
Posted by: SS, hk

Wandered on to some site for guys doing hip hop production. They know who DF is.....he's prime sampling material:

"and my diamond in tha ruff....
Donald Fagen - "the nightfly" - 1.99
(this ones gonna be hot as hell!...For all a yall who dont kno, Fagen has got some tight ish man!)...Shhhhh!....."

"Yo Donny Fagen is one a tha cats who got together to form tha band "steely dan"...I actually dont really care for their music, but back when fagen was alone and doin his thing he had some cool shit to sample, so i bought it and im glad its part of my collection...Some good piano and other cuts in there like guitar stuff...."

"Yeah Joe - that D.Fagen is gem on the under....I really shouldnt have posted that one in hear, thats onea my older secret weapon post new grabs going shoppin nex week!"


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 23:29:44 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong

Wouldn't you just know it but....July 1st is also Hong Kong day...or Special Administrative Region (of China) day, too.

The official 8th birthday party this year had a bigger crowd (30-thousand) than the annual march for democracy (about 20-thousand) after back to back years of 500,000 on the streets July 1st for democracy.

Cheers to expat Fife and Woody from Ottawa..

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 20:19:59 ET
Posted by: Pam, Twisting by the pool

Robertson Davies, my favorite Canadian.

Glad to see the postings re: DF being on the move. The idea of new album/tour dates is too much for me to contemplate in public :)

Live 8 tomorrow...I seem to have been under a rock & missed all the pre-pub. Are all the concerts going on simultaneously?

Just got Rock & Soul revue CD; really revelatory to me. Gives me a new perspective on DF and I've never heard Phoebe Snow before. Groo-hooo-hooovy.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 20:11:05 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I'll have to check that out Gretchen. Not heard of it. Thanks! Can't wait to see you all in two weeks or so.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 20:07:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,

The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering June 26-July 1, 2005; and actually, there was another before that, sent last weekend, covering June 19-25.

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.

The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest for June 26 through today:

ˇ Walter on Rebecca Pidgeon's new CD
ˇ RLJ Anthology with Notes from Walter Becker
ˇ Passing in the Extended SD family
ˇ Re: "Future Tours?"
ˇ Re: Re: "Future Tours?," More
ˇ Reno 911 & SD
ˇ Steely Dan Fan on "Reno 911"
ˇ Steely Dan (and Dandom?) on Reno 911
ˇ re: Teen Magazine Can't Buy a Thrill

ˇ LAST CALL TO GO... : EMG Essay Contest
ˇ ENTRY 5: EMG 2 years on
ˇ ENTRY 6: EMG: An Essay

ˇ "All Things Must Pass," "Everything Must Go"
ˇ REDUX: Lost Malls
ˇ REDUX: JOIN US IN CINCY: Audio Clips to whet your appetite
ˇ Amelia Ray: Inside, Stateside
ˇ London Tribute Band - Stealing Dan (and Don) Tuesday 5th July

And in case you are interested or something, the Dandom Digest for June 19-25, 2005 has these subjects:

ˇ JOIN US IN CINCY: Audio Clips to whet your appetite
ˇ Special Hotel Rates for Danfest 2005 in Cin-City
ˇ Teen Magazine Can't Buy a Thrill
ˇ Rolling Stone Review of SD & marion mcpartland CD

ˇ *** DEADLINE EXTENSION : EMG Essay Contest
ˇ *** Fodder: EMG: "It's Great" vs " EMG: "it don't work for me"
ˇ *** ENTRY 2: Mixing It Up: EMG
ˇ *** ENTRY 3: EMG

ˇ Lost Malls
ˇ IGY siting in NZ
ˇ Carolyn Leonhart's Great New Album

If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official or Official newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 19:08:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, napping

Hey, has anyone heard of the cd called "California Suite?" During one of my searches I came across this site, and it lists one of the musical influences as Donald Fagen.

2 weeks to Cincinnati, looking forward to seeing the old crowd once again.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 19:06:57 ET
Posted by: Amelia Ray, Just back in the USA

Howdy Jim,

I've just returned from a wonderful European vacation/tour. Thanks to everyone who made it possible! Berlin was mesmerizing - stay tuned for further developments there....Meantime, here is <>a link to a very short audio sample of "Full-blown Ascension," recorded by Martin Jabs of <>Filmakademie. The clip was recorded live at Haus Schwarzenberg on 16 June 05.

One Bay Area gig next week:

<>The Bistro
1001 B Street
Hayward, CA
Free entry

There is still time to pre-order your copy of Music for Autistic People! Click <>here for more information.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 18:53:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Something in the water.

You mean to tell me that Pink Floyd are playing three songs tomorrow and we haven't even guessed at them?

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 17:14:12 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, planning a block party

Is Pat's site down or something? Does everyone have today off and nothing else to do?

Jesus folks. Get a grip.

Next spring for a DF release sounds divine. I will have some PTO saved up for the tour by then.

Looking forward to two weeks from today like you would NOT believe....

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 17:08:53 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

Let's all go back and read Princess Ignorant's post of June 29 at 14:26:24 and see what kind of "review" it is.

And you *still* haven't identified these "undiscovered artists you're always touting." *Who* are you talking about?????

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 16:59:23 ET
Posted by: Franny,

Then I respond to Gretchen's question about that MDC album, and the only response I get is Pompous Q demanding my qualifications for paraphrasing Chuck Rainey and stating my own opinion. I don't need qualifications to say that Chuck is "appalled to have done so much creativity for Walter and Donald only to find that [his] creativity was claimed as theirs." And I certainly don't need qualifications to know that Chuck Rainey rapping like Chef to an electronic drum track sucks.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 16:07:01 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

a revised list of the wonders that Canada has given us:
Alanis Morisette
Celine Dion
Ann Murray
Neil Young
Evril Levigne
Guess Who
Tragically Hip
Gino Vanelli
Blue Rodeo
Oscar Peterson
Oh and let's not forget the comics:
Jim Carrey
Dan Ackroyd
Micheal J Fox
Catherine O'Hara
Martin Short
Eugene Levy
Matthew Perry
Mad cow disease

and as far as Joni Mitchell goes..
i've always looked up to people who despise progress,eat granola
and who's clothes are made out of wheat.

Happy Birthday America!


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 15:23:02 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hey! Can you guys chill on this? I take a long weekend and find this.

First of all, Weber, yeah, I would go nuts if every post was about Canada day. But I'm also willing to give a wiggle room of a post every month or two to a regular you long as it's not outta control. Moreover tho, why do you keep insisting on saying what can and cannot appear here?

[] Thanks.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 13:47:37 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo - and not too isolated!!

Fife: Happy Canada Day - and rest assured that I believe it was we Brits who gave the world mad cow disease.

Alkali: Hi! I Like most of your postings, but I'm a bit sensitive to certain racist terminologies you use.

Re-recent references to Turin Brakes: When I asked my cool 18 year old daughter about them, she immediately produced their album "Ether song" from her collection. We may be marooned in Borneo, but good taste transcends isolation!

And yet another Dan connection from Head Hunter land: I've just discovered that one of my teacher colleagues here is a former member of British band "Deacon Blue".

Peace to you all.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 13:36:08 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, a CT Yankee in LA

Happy Canada Day, Fife. Ignore the rude posts directed at you, there's nothing wrong with a little national pride, and those with the idea that all countries are out of step but the US should correct that mentality reminiscent of feudal times.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 13:19:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah, oh Canada

You forgot the greatest Canuck of them all, no, not Dudley-Doo-Right,

Joni Mitchell.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 12:40:07 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

Wow didn't think I'd create such a reaction! I guess it's okay for some American's to toot their own horn but god forbid another nation should take pride in what they have. First off mad cow disease has no nationality, they found a case here in the US last week did they not. It's the ignorance of the feed companies that insisted that feeding cows to cows wouldn't have any ill effects. Second of all what the heck is wrong with Neil Young or BTO? Here's a few you forgot:
Guess Who
Tragically Hip
Gino Vanelli
Blue Rodeo
Oscar Peterson
Oh and let's not forget the comics:
Jim Carrey
Dan Ackroyd
Micheal J Fox
Catherine O'Hara
Martin Short
Eugene Levy
Matthew Perry
MMM and the last time I crossed the border I came through US customs and we all know how much Bush loves to blame Canada. 9/11, the eastern seaboard blackout. Inquires into immigration into Canada increased 25% after November's election.....I wonder why?
I haven't anything against Americans, everyone I've met here in the US has been kind and gracious. So that said, sorry Hoops for the non-Dan content just wanted to share My Nations birthday with others.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 11:54:38 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC

A couple of Dan moments:
on yesterdays Bill O'reilly radio show.
Bill asked his assistant who Aretha Franklin was
"Hey Nineteen" played in the background.
George Carlin complains that Burb's do nothing but hold block barbeques and jog with their dogs while listening to Steely Dan.
(i still like his humor)

Hi Borneo Girl!

PQ and WEBSTER: it's nice to see you two getting along famously.

Canada day??
IsnÝt this the same country that gave us things like?
Alanis Morisette
Celine Dion
Ann Murray
Neil Young
Evril Levigne
Mad cow disease
Oh, and letÝs not forget that it was Canada that allowed the Sand-niggers who killed 3,000+ Americans on 9/11/01 onto the continent with their open border policy.

So, letÝs toast a semi-Socialist satellite nation known as Canada.


Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 11:41:02 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

That isn't what it says at all, clown. Don't you realize now that everybody here can read it everybody's going to see what a child you are?

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 11:31:52 ET
Posted by: Webster, peterq lives in Brooklyn not NYC

Peter Q- His bio say he's "played with Drew Zingg from Steely Dan". Where does it say that he played with the Drew Zingg band? That's what you said! Again, you're making shit up like you always do. Do you how many players in NYC have gotten up on stage while Drew was sitting in with some band and then put in their bio "I have played with Drew Zingg from Steely Dan". You're nothing but a name dropping bull shit artist, that simple! Oh yeah, say hello to Mort Streaga for me!

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 10:48:03 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

You're welcome Jaco. Voices is IMHO one of the 3 or 4 best albums of the last ten years.

Webster, aka Captain Ignoramus:

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 10:18:43 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Thanks PQ. Didn't know to whom you were referring - Richard Bona has been gigging with Stern for quite a while, and I'm an enormous fan of his.

Anyone hear Stern's "Voices" ? Great stuff.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 09:59:09 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

LOL, you jerkoff! I suppose he didn't play with Jeff Tain Watts last night either, you imbecile. LOL!!!

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 09:55:01 ET
Posted by: webster, Kansas

inferiority complex
A persistent sense of inadequacy or a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 09:47:37 ET
Posted by: Webster, not Brooklyn

Fife- Nice article but post this stuff over at St. Al's and leave this space for Steely Dan releated stories. Right Hoops?

Peter Q- "Fact" is correct, Drew Zingg had his own band for about three minutes well over 10 years ago. And your bass man wasn't in the band.
Also, please put "Brooklyn" next to your name. You don't live in NYC.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 09:10:35 ET
Posted by: fife, baltimore,eh

I found this and I thought it appropriate for this Day. Happy Canada Day to all you canucks out there!
Fri, July 1, 2005

Proudly Canadian, eh!

Raise a toast and save the whining for another day


This space is generally reserved for cutting commentary, venomous verbiage and the odd shot of comic relief.

Not today.

Because even those of us lucky enough to be in the opinion industry (read: professional whiners) know a good thing when we see it.

It's Canada Day and despite the chronic criticisms that clacks from this keyboard all the other days of the year, today is a day to toast the Maple Leaf and raise a beer to Mother Canada.

So bottoms up -- we have plenty to celebrate.

If it wasn't for Canadians, the world would be without insulin, sonar, pablum and the zipper.

There would be no basketball, five-pin bowling and, quite predictably, no snowmobiles, snowblowers or goalie masks.

We invented the telephone, the TV camera, Trivial Pursuit and the Walkie Talkie.

The first Caesar was poured in downtown Calgary and though we didn't invent beer, we perfected it.

Contrary to what our American cousins might say, the lightbulb was first invented by Canadian Henry Woodward who sold the rights to his patent to Thomas Edison.

As Canadians, we don't need a military parade or a war to affirm our patriotism -- which comes in the quiet confidence of tolerance.

As a result, we are free to travel the world with our flag proudly displayed on our backpacks, our clothing and even our skin.

Our heroes tend to be common folk with uncommon determination.

We prefer Terry Fox to Paris Hilton and Wayne Gretzky to just about any other human being on the face of the planet.

We'll take a Tim Hortons double-double over a Starbucks Grande half-caff frapuccino any day.

We believe in freedom, but understand that freedom is never free.

The blood of young Canadians helped liberate Europe in the two big wars.

The battles at Dieppe and Vimy Ridge stand as testament to our bravery and sacrifice.

We have the longest coastline in the world at 243,000 km and inside that coastline we share our forests, mountains and lakes with moose, geese, bears and beavers.

We have our own language with uniquely Canadian words like pogey, poutine and toonie.

We say zed, not zee, chesterfield, not couch and we ride toboggans, not sleds.

We wear toques out of necessity, not fashion.

The 32 million-plus who call Canada home boast almost 100% literacy and can expect, on average, to live past our 79th birthday.

We bicker about our differences with Quebec, and at times, some of our francophone brothers and sisters threaten to leave.

But in the end, destiny and a referendum always keep us together.

There are many of us, this humble scribe included, who were not born in this country.

We are Canadian by choice and proud to call ourselves Canucks first.

So, no matter how much guys like me groan about government, whine about the weather or harp about the headlines, we're not dumb.

We know this is the best country on Earth.

There's no place I'd rather be -- or be from.

At the risk of sounding like a beer commercial, thank you Canada and happy 138th, eh!

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 06:40:25 ET
Posted by: PQ, NYC

Hey "Fact" - kindly research the websites of those in question.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 05:59:12 ET
Posted by: Lost balls, Wife handbag

FK dude call me. How do u sleep at night

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 01:26:07 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

As I read the latest on DF's project...struck me that it has every chance to sound better than Two Against Nature. Hard to imagine, but it's going to be released five years + later. Surely recording techniques and gear have moved on.

Anyone know why this would/wouldn't be true ?

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 01:02:41 ET
Posted by: Franny,

Gretchen - That MDC album looked familiar, so I went digging through my cd's and found a cd-r copy someone had given me years ago. What an eclectic mix of songs... some funky jazz, some 80's rock, some bad electronic, some experimental, and on and on. Having quickly skimmed through the tracks, it's not something I would recommend. Most of it is pretty bad, and either too cheesy or too "out there". But there are a few listenable songs, "Jive Boy Blues" being the standout. I didn't hear more than a few looped guitar notes on the electronic "Same as Here", the song on which Elliot Randall purportedly "blew everyone away". When I first heard the intro to Rainey's "Chucky's Bass Boogie", I immediately thought of the marimba intro on Rikki. Maybe this was Chuck's payback for what he claims is his missing songwriting credit on all those Steely Dan songs. If I were Chuck, I'd stick to session work and leave the writing to the professionals. Chuck rapping to a synthesized beat just doesn't cut it, but it's good for a laugh. All in all, the album is pretty poor, despite the Steely lineup. Curious to hear your 75 cents.

Date: Fri, July 01, 2005, 00:42:31 ET
Posted by: Fact, two z's

Peter Q- FYI, Drew Zingg hasn't had his own group since 1994.

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