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Click for SEPTEMBER 2005 BlueBook Entries
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Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 21:49:25 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 20:31:40 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 15:28:15 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 15:19:44 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 15:12:12 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 10:00:00 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 09:45:51 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 09:35:26 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 09:30:21 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 06:21:12 ET
Date: Wed, August 31, 2005, 00:36:33 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 21:52:38 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 21:15:19 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 18:39:02 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 17:12:07 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 16:53:22 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 16:47:42 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 16:33:29 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 15:56:39 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 13:36:37 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 12:11:56 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 12:04:25 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 11:53:38 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 11:48:57 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 10:44:28 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 10:20:18 ET
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Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 02:58:30 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 02:11:55 ET
Date: Tues, August 30, 2005, 02:07:27 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 20:30:44 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 17:07:25 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 16:17:33 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 16:16:11 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 15:58:56 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 15:28:52 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 14:40:24 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 14:30:36 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 09:51:08 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 05:51:19 ET
Date: Mon, August 29, 2005, 04:34:58 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 20:41:57 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 20:36:08 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 20:23:16 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 20:16:33 ET
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Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 16:52:58 ET
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Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 13:58:41 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 12:46:49 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 12:36:53 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 12:26:10 ET
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Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 09:46:48 ET
Date: Sun, August 28, 2005, 00:35:20 ET
Date: Sat, August 27, 2005, 20:16:05 ET
Date: Sat, August 27, 2005, 17:31:42 ET
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Date: Sat, August 27, 2005, 17:07:41 ET
Date: Sat, August 27, 2005, 16:55:52 ET
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Date: Sat, August 27, 2005, 02:44:53 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 22:52:23 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 22:36:02 ET
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Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 20:46:54 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 20:35:59 ET
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Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 18:19:24 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 17:55:27 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 16:10:13 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 14:26:32 ET
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Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 12:52:40 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 11:02:41 ET
Date: Fri, August 26, 2005, 09:47:52 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 23:34:51 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 23:10:32 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 22:15:47 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 22:12:11 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 21:03:35 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 20:44:13 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 19:36:41 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 19:18:52 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 18:38:46 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 17:28:22 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 17:25:16 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 15:16:43 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 13:52:58 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 10:32:56 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 09:35:52 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 08:49:12 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 05:54:59 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 00:54:28 ET
Date: Thurs, August 25, 2005, 00:41:29 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 23:22:39 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 22:53:03 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 22:41:41 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 21:28:09 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 21:14:39 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 20:52:58 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 20:48:24 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 20:33:46 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 19:14:55 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 18:10:58 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 18:03:12 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 16:20:51 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 15:02:34 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 14:46:19 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 09:20:21 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 08:58:43 ET
Date: Wed, August 24, 2005, 07:28:56 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 20:05:19 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 19:34:43 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 17:25:23 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 15:24:00 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 13:38:26 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 11:45:15 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 11:42:43 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 09:05:10 ET
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Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 02:27:38 ET
Date: Tues, August 23, 2005, 02:04:23 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 23:51:47 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 23:03:17 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 21:05:57 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 20:46:43 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 20:16:42 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 20:02:22 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 19:54:14 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 19:34:33 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 17:00:30 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 16:26:47 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 16:07:31 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 15:56:22 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 15:55:59 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 15:09:00 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 14:32:17 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 13:42:44 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 13:12:17 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 12:47:45 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 09:22:17 ET
Date: Mon, August 22, 2005, 00:39:53 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 21:56:37 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 21:45:31 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 14:18:35 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 13:41:30 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 12:12:57 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 09:21:00 ET
Date: Sun, August 21, 2005, 05:19:38 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 23:09:57 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 22:23:14 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 21:33:56 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 16:45:16 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 14:16:49 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 12:53:10 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 10:47:41 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 10:15:06 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 10:12:47 ET
Date: Sat, August 20, 2005, 06:33:43 ET
Date: Fri, August 19, 2005, 14:26:27 ET
Date: Fri, August 19, 2005, 12:58:09 ET
Date: Fri, August 19, 2005, 01:27:45 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 19:21:51 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 18:04:09 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 16:53:52 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 15:36:19 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 15:28:46 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 14:19:23 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 13:56:40 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 13:44:26 ET
Date: Thurs, August 18, 2005, 13:15:59 ET
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Date: Wed, August 17, 2005, 21:26:44 ET
Date: Wed, August 17, 2005, 16:54:11 ET
Date: Wed, August 17, 2005, 16:39:42 ET
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Date: Tues, August 16, 2005, 02:32:34 ET
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Date: Mon, August 15, 2005, 19:30:15 ET
Date: Mon, August 15, 2005, 18:51:24 ET
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Date: Mon, August 15, 2005, 11:56:40 ET
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Date: Sun, August 14, 2005, 21:52:57 ET
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Date: Sun, August 14, 2005, 13:11:18 ET
Date: Sun, August 14, 2005, 12:20:27 ET
Date: Sun, August 14, 2005, 11:36:07 ET
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Date: Sun, August 14, 2005, 10:19:42 ET
Date: Sat, August 13, 2005, 23:35:24 ET
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Date: Sat, August 13, 2005, 22:47:53 ET
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Date: Fri, August 12, 2005, 21:38:08 ET
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Date: Thurs, August 11, 2005, 22:39:59 ET
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Date: Wed, August 10, 2005, 23:19:46 ET
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Date: Sun, August 07, 2005, 23:55:44 ET
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Date: Sat, August 06, 2005, 21:52:49 ET
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AUGUST 2005 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: Big Fan, Raining even hereQ is there gas in the car? I hear stations are running out in Tampa - ah how I remember sitting in the family car in 1974 - od and even days _ I had just gotten my liscence and that was my job - drive to the corner station and sit in line and drive home.
Posted by: girl scout, Steely Dan/Kurt CobainIn the recent British magazine "Q" it is mentioned that on Nivanas last tour of Europe Steely Dan was the music of choice on their tour bus, and that Cobain was "quite the expert" on Steely Dan.
Posted by: ygk, ...Clas: Pearl River is not even 10 miles north of Slidell.
There's a pearl river exit.......
Use your Google, man.........
http://maps.google.com/
enter pearl river, LA, and you can drill down from there........
audi
ygk
Posted by: ygk, hereClas:
http://slidell.weblogswork.com/
Posted by: C , Thanks YGK, it's a jungle out there, thousands of posts. And I can't log in. But I think they headed up north when the first warnings came. I hope their house is still there when it's time to get back home.
I am trying like a devil finding Pearl River on a every Slidell map I can find, I know the street they lived on was close to that river.
Did I dream that?
Posted by: ygk, nycClas:
To to www.nola.com
go down to the bottom of the page in the "what's happened to my neighborhood", and within the St. Tammany link, I believe there's something for Central Slidell, where you can post a message........
good luck
ygk
Posted by: ph, coughing up phlegmIf this doesn't set the record straight, I don't know what can.
From steelydan.com/faq.html:
"
"Aja" becomes their first platinum album and reaches #3 on the album chart, trailing only mega-sellers Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" and Billy Joel's "The Stranger."
...
Fagen and Becker also agree to tour again, but it is quickly aborted after the first rehearsal when members of the backup band started comparing pay scales and started griping over who was making more money.
"
Posted by: Q, TPAokay, looked back - Roger, yah - have spoken to Roger a couple of times at shows only - -never addressed those Tour Rehearsals or any kind of issue like that.
Just setting the record straight for what it's worth around here.
Funny thing, is I never have or do make reference to whom I discuss anything with...
got to go to work..........................................
Posted by: Q, TPAReal Q here - Never said talked to Larry Carlton or whomever the other was mentioned in that post - haven't ever talked to Carlton - yes, those are Bolero, not the Dan.
I think the only thing I ever said was that some of the riffing sounds pretty damned good.
outta time........bye
Posted by: C,
Can't help but wondering what has happened to the aquarium at Canal Street at the River. With those sharks and alligators. Still standing?
Watched the news tonight and it's unbelievable.
Still no contact with my friends there.
Posted by: SteveeDan, High and Dry in L.A.Yeah, I've been watching the news and the devastation is on a massively huge scale. Modern technology allows us to forcast heavy weather better than ever before, but, the problem still remains that those who are economically challenged are still in just as much peril today as they were in 1969 when Camille came to call.
A lot of people didn't get out because they didn't have transportation, or really, anywhere else to go. Many of these destroyed homes were poorly constructed to begin with. Besides, there's really not a whole lot that you can do when the levy breaks. At that point, it's basically over.
The other thing that struck me is that even though the forcasts accurately assessed the severity of the hurricane, apparently, people had no idea the massive scale of destruction that the hurricane brought with it.
It's almost as if they were all caught by surprise. And it's another reminder that Mother Nature will always have the last word.
I send up a prayer for these unfortunate souls.
SteveeDan
Posted by: , Elara del terzo mondo, baby.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, High and Not So DrySeriously...
Is anyone else watching these videos from New Orleans? Is anyone else thinking "Third World" country?
LOOTING? For Pete's sake, these people are snatching food, water, clothing and such...I've yet to see someone paddling back up Canal Street toward the lake with a 42" plasma atop their Airbed...
Is there such a thing as reverse-Marshall law? Enclose the still accessible parts of the city and enforce pretzel-logical looting?
H20? Okay...
DVD-A Player? Not so much...
Red`Beans and Rice...Strip the shelves...
SOH
Posted by: Rajah, Death Valley is really awesome, there's a great hotel in the middle of it and a great house called Scotty's Castle that some absolute maniac built in the 19th century.
But the water won't get there. The new beach will be in El Monte near Legion Stadium with small atolls dotting the landscape where the LA basin used to be.
I read it in the entrails of an owl. Old Roman litmus test.
Posted by: moray eel, blueWaterfront property in Death Valley? Sounds wonderful. If it's a timeshare, I'm in!
"I just read the daily Qs and swear by every word."
m.e.
Posted by: C , Thanks YGK, bad news. Holy shit.
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Rajah - did I suggest they were cheap? I believe the rec-company had an interest that the albums (from Royal Scam and on) got as good as they possible could.
The Two was quite an item back then.
The Status Symbol de la Record Company.
The Status Symbol de la Irving Azzoff.
Posted by: Rajah, You best believe record companies recoup those costs from the artists' record sales. No free lunch. If they were as cheap as you suggest it would've been Mickey Dolenz on drums, not Purdie.
Before seeing Mose Alison a few months ago he gave an interview and pronounced the only record he ever made a dime on was his Anthology, released more than 35 years ago. He's lived off of advances from his paltry record sales and live club dates. BYW, the guy was 77 years old and awesome behind the piano. Sang real goo too.
Posted by: ygk, nycClas: it's pretty bleak.......
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
http://www.cnn.com/
I seem to recall hearing that Slidell had about 10 feet of water.....
The levees broke and they don't know how many there are......the Lake is flooding the whole city..........
LOOK AT THE PHOTOS............!
ygk
Posted by: Just one more before Maverick Mu comes...,
"They sure didn't spare any expense on session players and cutting edge gizmos."
You think they took money out from their own pockets and payed those Lollapaloza's? As a friendly gesture to their record company?
Don't think so.
//C
Posted by: And yes..., East River
...I heard that Alphabet City was slum and ghetto twenty years ago. But the area has been jazzed up since right?
//C
Posted by: C @ Work, "Much of Slidell is under water and likely sustained the worst damage from Hurricane Katrina, tate Sen. Tom Schedler, R-Mandeville, said Tuesday at 1 p.m."
I am trying to find info how things are in Slidell, but googling Slidell doesn't give much.
Anyone knows how bad things are?
We can't get in contact with our friends, neither on phone or email.
I surely hope they got away, far north.
Posted by: Rajah, They sure didn't spare any expense on session players and cutting edge gizmos.
The whole truth, I suppose, lies somewhere in between, if indeed it exists at all in any accessible form.
Funny how the Sweet book continues to raise the hackles this many years later.
But the quality of the recordings certainly speak for themselves.
Posted by: C @ the shrink express, www.steelydangallary.seRajah - yeah, maybe, but on the other hand Becker said something like "when the CD's became the new standard we became very very happy..."
And they must be happier than a dog with two dicks now, when the DVD's are setting the new standards.
And if you read the Georg Wadenius interview over at Mizar 5 you hear another story, you hear about greedy, tight fisted pricipal conductors.
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Rick Marrotta is playing on J Brownes "Boulevard", damn, it's swinging!
//C - in the Shape of a Sternum
Posted by: Rajah, Talk about not cashing in. Donald and Walter must have a chemical aversion to money. Or maybe they just value their peace of mind and integrity...
the secret of their success.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ worked beatty - wow - how are you?
i would like to be the rumor control officer; it kinda ranks up there with dog catcher, no?
still got those pictures of berklee, my main man?
as picard, would say: "Q!"
there's a test on the yellow if anyone is interested -
any new music purchases/donwloads out there? i am out of the music scene now living way up downeast!
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and long gone..., www.steelydangallary.seAlkali, NYC: In "Everything you did" the lyrics goes "...turn up the Eagles the neighbours are listening" - Eagles answered "...with their steely steely knives" in their song Hotel California.
That's at the musical level. Rumours says they done a lot of heavy partying together way back when... in sixtyseven.
Rajah - right on, from the Sweets BIO, page 127:
(After the Aja success):
"Donald Fagen was adamant about wanting certain crack (!*) musicians on the tour and allegedly said that if they didn't go, he wouldn't either. These studio players knew of their indispensability and all wanted enormous amounts of money to sign up. Being the crÈme dela crÈme, they were entitled to ask for those sums, but what none of them knew, though, was that as a mark of respect to Denny Dias, Becker and Fagen intended paying him more than any of the hired guns as a kind grand gesture. Certain estimates asserted that the tour would be bound to lose money. Others voiced the opinion that Fagen didn't think he could perform well enough vocally. Whatever the true story, Steely Dan was being offered an awful lot of money and Katz was trying his damnedest to persuade Fagen to do it. 'I push them so much' he said 'I hate to see Donald turn that money down, I really do. It's selfish. They may not owe it to anybody, but they do owe it to themselves to go out and play'".
* my remark
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Who's the biggest Steely Dan Fan in America? Where is Long Island located? You'll find the answers at the infamous Steely Dan Gallery:
www.stelydangallary.se
Posted by: Rajah, Ygk - when I first saw that neighborhood it was the scariest place I'd ever witnessed.
Aja came out in fall 1977, Peg hit the charts big that November, Azoff wanted them to join the ranks of the big sellers I'm sure, that was his thing, and the Aja record was flying off the racks unlike their other mediocre record sales up to that point. The real shocker here was that they sold that many records without touring, only one other band ever did that.
Posted by: ygk, nycRajah: wow, man, where've you been? Tompkins Square is Trendoid city - Skater Boi's, fashionistas, the lone punk or two, ex-hippies, dog-loving writer-types all frequent there daily.....
Avenue C is full of restaurants and bars, and go there on a Saturday night at midnight, you'd never know where you were........packed, like College Town.......
I know it's incredible.......
ygk
Posted by: mock turtle, "Chicago," "On location," "Ooo-La-La!", "How's my little girl?", etc."long as you know you're living yours" played during last week's "On the Media."
Posted by: ph, Rajah,
77/78 tours are mentioned in the full SD timeline on steelydan.com
I only know this because I read it last weekend.
Posted by: Rajah, Gretchen - It doesn't go unnoticed that you didn't list me on the roster of souls to be saved in the apocalypse to come. Fine, then, you pay those Merle Norman bills. Who is he anyway? And what's this Spa in Pasadena you've been supporting? Your day of reckoning approaches apace, dear spouse. Deja Vu Hair Design now owns my house.
I gotta stop reading that Sweet book but he is, I'm hoping, at least accurate with his quotes from interviews. Truth is a relative affair anyway, but I really like the idea of that Yamaha grand still at Denny Dias' house.
Trust fund kids squatting in that hell-hole Tompkins Sqaure? The Tompkins Square I remember was not frequented by the feint of heart. Has it turned into Knotts Berry Park or sompin? I know someone who may be living in a lean-to over there soon.
Posted by: ygk, nycAlkali,
Don't think NYU is running again, and if they were really teens, not sure that school did start.
However, when you see a ragamuffin/squatter type on St. Marks or in Tompkins, and they are begging for money, just remember, they are TFK - (Trust Fund Kids) looking for a thrill.........
that will set you off.......I know it did me.....
ygk
Posted by: angel, No problem, Gretchen. We don't want anyone else coming this way. Please feel free to diss us all you like. ;-)
By the way, glad you made it over to CT OK. Have a great time and enjoy the East Coast for me.
Posted by: hoops, Alkali;
One connection is that Our Dan and the Eagles have had Irving Azoff acting in various capacities of management through the years, as you may know. And, interestingly enough, Azoff hails from DANville, Illinois. And of course Timothy B Schmidt has worked on SD albums.
But you are probably dead on about Purdie in the AmEx commercial since, as BP had to leave early on the Sunday of the Cinci Danfest for an AmEx commercial shoot. Don't think his participation was due specifically to an SD connection.
Posted by: Gretchen, CT shoreline, the sane coastI think Becker and Fagen had good reason for writing "California tumbles into the sea.." LA will suck the life out of anyone, it belongs at the bottom of the sea (sorry Steve, Angel, and W1P, you're exempted, of course!) Waaay overrated!
G
Posted by: Alkali, NYCRAJ: lol! Iíve been to Waterbury, CT. it would be a wet dream for it's unfortunate residents.
Is there a direct connection between the Dan and the Eagles? Anyone??
Speaking of the Eagles their Farewell tour concert was on the tube this weekend. in a commercial for American Express and "Andy's Mojo"(Roddick)I swear one of the people in it (I Think) is none other than Bernard Purdy, has anyone else seen it?
(Bear with me because Iím gonna vent a bit)
So, Iím walking to the second avenue deli this morning to get a sandwich when Iím met with a barrage of about 6 teens holding cindy Sheehan/anti war signs on the sidewalk next to the entrance! Donít people have anything better to do? Hasnít school started yet!!!
Peace
A
Posted by: funny, humorhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Walter-Becker-ADIVINANZAS-CD-Single_W0QQitemZ4761817775QQcategoryZ43634QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
its walter!
Posted by: Knows The Truth, You probably read about the '77 tour rehearsals in that fountainhead of accuracy, Sweet's book.
Posted by: Rajah, Could have sworn reading somewhere that D&F acquiecsed to some live dates after Aja, maybe 77-78, and even started some rehearsing but alas it was not to be.
Waterbury tumbles into the sea? It's pretty far inland for that. Everyone's entitled to their dream I guess.
Posted by: Let's see..........., Did anyone notice on these so-called "1976 Tour Rehearsals" that during My Old School, the singer (who sounds absolutely nothing like Donald Fagen) sings "Waterbury (as in Connecticut), tumbles into the sea"?
As you can tell from the link below, Beau Bolero was from Waterbury, Connecticut.
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/8beau.htm
Someone's got their facts wrong, and I don't think it's Larry Carlton or Roger Nichols...
Posted by: The Truth, is.....moray eel....Larry Carlton and Roger Nichols told Q the Beau Bolero tape was really Steely Dan? Please! That's the biggest freaking joke I've heard in a long time! SD never had a tour rehearsal in 1976! And I'd bet that Q never spoke to Larry Carltion or Roger Nichols about this, or probably anything else for that matter.
Hey eel, want to by some waterfront property in Death Valley?
Posted by: Dubious Maximus, Kingston
Hassan it's true. The dope discussion here on the Blue is infrequent. The last time it was about how people can enjoy the music WITHOUT smoking. Cool.
But I'd say the Dan and anything else worth listening to surely does get better after a reefer. Maybe booze works to drown out crap music. Does nothing though for the listening experience.
So, if you'll excuse me, there's a hydro bud with my name on it.
Posted by: moray eel, blueFor those wondering...
Q has listed some of his sources before. He has posted information about his conversations with Roger Nichols and Larry Carlton. Per Q, both Roger and Larry told him that a demo tape (' 76 tour rehearsals) by east coast SD coverband, Beau Bolero, was an authentic Steely Dan recording.
m.e.
Posted by: hoops , chicagoTracy: The item was removed at the author's request. I have to agree with you in that I definitely connect much more with the writings at sd.com than df.com and I really do miss the updates at sd.com. As you point out they were often hysterical. I do wish there were more updates at SD.comóboth at the time of EMG and sinceóas I can never get enough of their good stuff.
Gina: I also can never say enough great things about "King of Comedy." Required viewing for obsessive fans of anything or anyone like us. And then there is that amazing performance by Jerry Lewis, which I wasn't expecting. And of course, there is DF's "The Finer Things" performed by David Sanborn. I was familiar with the soundtrack before I saw the movie; I was surprised it was placed at the beginning of the movie.
There was this song that was popular a few years ago that I used to catch snippets of in stores, at school, etc. It really caught my ear but I never knew who it was or what the song was. I heard it again Saturday night at Kinko's so I searched the internet for the lines I caught and found it was New Radical's "You Get What You Give" from 1998. I liked it but would always dismiss it since it was kinda poppy. But after finding it on the web, I was reading it's lyrics and I was surprised at how clever and witty the lyrics were. THEN I realized I actually owned it! The song is on Joni Mitchell's "Artist's Choice: Music That Matters To Her" CD that came out at Starbucks six months ago. And her first reaction was pretty much mine! The rest of the CD it came out on, "Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too" is quite good. They broke up a year after the album came out. Too bad they never had a follow-up to work off some edges and mature. The lyrics are pretty smart and clever, maybe not quite as smart as Steely Dan's but about as much as Ben Folds. Pretty awesome message, honest and witty. It also seems the recording doesn't include the last lines of the lyrics which end with, "I'm a fool to do your dirty work." Now I doubt it's a nod to Steely Dan but it is a funny co-incidence. Anyhow, funny that I didn't realize what I had in my collection.
Be good, play nice and drink some Tang.
jim
:-)
Posted by: Tracey, I was replying to Snarky's (Ezra Titus's?) post and I saw it was gone. All I have to say is DITTO, LWO! You go!
Sounds like Ezra/Snarky didn't like having the diary of his move to Fla. on DonaldFagen.com. Maybe that will get Donald to reconsider the content. If it's any consolation to Snarky I found the details completely boring. I was beginning to think Ezra ran Donald's website and was filling it up with banal details of his life. Now we know better. I just don't get how anyone finds most of the things there to be interesting. The emails from Google groups have been stiff atempts at entertainment. By contrast, SteelyDan.com was ALWAYS interesting and funny. I'd laff my ass off. The difference between SteelyDan.com and DonaldFagen.com is like day and night.
I miss the updates at SteelyDan.com. Sad to see no updates since Bumpus died. I guess there was something about Mindy Jostyn for a while.
Not trying to flame but do want to express my feedback.
Posted by: I'm walking on sunshine...,
THE BYRDS!
//C
Posted by: The answer my friend is the blowin' in the wind..., www.steelydangallary.seI like Dylan, but only when he's covered by other artists, like Hendrix, Manfred Mann, and uh... what's the name of that band with Crosby, they sang a laid back version of Tambourine Man.
Turtles? Hedgehoppers Anonymous?
On the tip of my... on the tip of my... on the tip of my tounge.
//C
Posted by: angel, All night long, we would sing that stupid song....In Making Aja, it is mentioned that one of the early influences on Becker and Fagen, was the songwriting of Bob Dylan. There is a new Documentary coming out next month, that some might find of interest.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/14104231/102-8040377-6163345
Posted by: Joey, " You know what the greatest thing is about Paul McCartney? His heart. All these years, he's never changed. I sense that he's a dear man and I think that's the most important part of being human. "
I would like to nuzzle you .
J. " Snuggles " Fly !
Posted by: Jim McPartland, Hey Guys-
Good news- Michele Rundgren (Todd's wife) sent me an e-mail saying Todd would not be touring with DF because DF's management 'wants him to do a solo tour to promote his new CD'.
Sounds like many 'Fests early next year!
Sweet!
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfKinky is a dead set legend. Pretty much infallible, if you can grok.
Posted by: Alkali, NYC"....Tropical Hotdog night, like two flamingoes in a food fight"
Howís that NASSAH?
Bodhisattva is about drugs?!?!
No way, I thought it was about someone putting his house on the market and describing the fine dinner ware in that house i.e. Joyce Chen "Pans" and Mottahedeh "China" in order to increase its real estate value.
Wow, someoneís way off!
Peace
A
Posted by: katrina and the waves, livesMy memory is muddy what's this river that I'm in
New Orleans is sinking, man and I don't want to swim
Oww!
Posted by: DWB, ...http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=761
2 years later ... or before...
Steely Dan & Jones Beach article in All About Jazz
Posted by: kinky's kuzin, I googled Quentin and came up with this site on him and CLAS.
http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/Wanted.html
Other link on this page.
Clas
http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/sweden.htm
Aja Vu Hundred Grand
http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/Rap.html
More funny shit
http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/GBookers.html
Posted by: nassah, baher-tsopfast & bulbous...this board could use some capn' beefheart
ellllllla
ga--ru
shee know all the colors
that nature doo
Posted by: Ideal Brother, Looks like Q put all his eggs in Snarky's basket...
Posted by: Little Wild One, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..A quick reply to Snarky's Q-uestion as to why: there is a community here that eagerly awaits any news related to the careers of Donald and Walter, but more than that, in the words of my friend, SouthofHollywood, we're a group of fans that have ORGANIZED. As with anything, organization brings benefits and responsibilities...and not everyone shares those concerns equally.
We are real people, too, most of us with jobs and families and coutless other priorities. But when we come upon a patch of time that we consider "me" time (for lack of a better phrase), we have gotten used to further enhancing that with a like-minded group of people that frequent here and who ALWAYS have a great time together. I, for one, find that far less pathetic than spending time with people I have nothing in common with....
So any news is good news and I kinda feel like we should mind our manners in the hopes that those who have any good news will feel welcome here. And, while healthy discussion often serves to enlighten us, rumor, innuendo and mean-spiritedness often serves to divide.
Stay safe, wormtom and our other pals down on the bayou!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAngel:
Many thanks for that.
Posted by: angel, My apologies Q for reading more in there, then there is. Nuff said.
Posted by: Q, TPALet me be VERY clear - Q does NOT know what he knows, by virtue of any relationship to DF's site/Snarky/etc.
The key phrase is "Q is collector" - for 20+ years, and I have contact with MANY people from present and past. On ebay alone (which is a fraction of my activities) I have had contact with over 1000 people from ex-promoters, to ex-studio people, to general industry people, to wives or girlfriends of associates,and on and on. It is amazing how many people possess bits of information, both current and ancient. As well, the "6 degrees of seperation" factor comes into play.
I have no comment on "original brother's" post below except to say that brother (and brother's friend(s?)),themselves, obviously need to learn to simply - "stop" - promulgating this in order to maintain the integrity of their own objectives(not a threat - just look at the mess that you(plural?) are creating!)
It is beyond me why this discussion is now continuing publicly(not by my hand - I tried to respectfully and quietly end it)and why brother, et al don't simply pursue it privately via email if they feel it so neccessary to go on with this needlessly.
So, how about those Red Sox...
Posted by: Gina, Sun MountainThis alphabet course is confusing... p's? q's?
Just saw the news, New Orleans in jeopardy with some pretty stormy dame on its way, hoping for the best...
Steveedan, that theremin lady is Pamelia Kurston, she also plays in Barbez and when i saw a dutch documentary on Bob Moog, i was quite taken with their music and checked it out via the internet... it's what you said, about energy, something deeper than 'just' the skill of being a musician able to play an instrument. If you see how it works, that theremin thing, it's just really fascinating and indeed thought-provoking about the wonders of energy.
This has been a Sunday of leisure time mostly, watching the Buena Vista Social Club dvd and enjoying the scenery, the music and those Cuban breezes and people... Ibrahim Ferrer looked and walked like a little rascal, his eyes alive as can be. It's in a way moving that he has been able to enjoy some 'fame' and recognition for his music, his voice and his life... Especially liked the scenes where they were in New York and walking the streets, commented on things they saw in the windows of stores etc. And the music was grand, ofcourse.
Then Martin Scorsese's The King Of Comedy, starring Robert de Niro. The first time I saw it, I was completely taken with the whole idea of the movie, and the characters, the environment, the feel of that era. Watching it for a second time, with a behind-the-scenes segment attached as in interviews with the director etc showed some insights, which helped place the picture, not having it seen a second time around. A whole lot was improv, which made for an uncomfortable feel throughout certain scenes... and they had the band The Clash in it too, as members of the audience...
The fun and 'Steely Dan' reference in it however came in the leading character Rupert Putkin's act, in which he talked about where he came from, Clifton New Jersey. He made a funny comment about people being exciled to ~Passaic...
"Good evening, ladies and gentleman.
Let me introduce myself. My name is
Rupert Pupkin. I was born in Clifton,
New Jersey, which was not, at that
time, a federal offense. (laughter)
Is there anyone here from Clifton?
(silence) Good. We can all relax.
Now, I'd like to begin by saying that
my parents were too poor to afford me
a childhood but the fact is nobody is
allowed to be really poor in Clifton.
Once you fall below eleven thousand
you're exiled to Passaic. My parents
did, in fact, put down the first two
payments on my childhood...."
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/King-of-Comedy,-The.html
Posted by: angel, Bass: No not Peter Q.
Q in Tampa is Q in Tampa. Dan Fan and collector. Reread "Snarky's Migration" on Donald Fagen's website, for more on how he knows what he knows.
Posted by: Sink or swim ,
Forgot to send a thought to my friends in Slidell, Louisiana:
Hope you've got yourself far from the coast. You too, old Zeke in the Big Ease.
//C
Posted by: CC TOP, www.steelydangallary.se
I remember - back when before Gaucho, or if it was Aja, a newspaper, The Rolling Stone? announced that Becker and Fagen said that they were tired of writing songs about their old school days. So the new one was about to be a tribute to Ellington.
Thank God that didn't happend. On the mcPartland CD, with the Dan, we got a taste how bad Fagen's tributes to Ellington are played.
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Check into my Steely Dan Gallery, new features; "The Biggest Steely Dan Fan in America" and more.
www.steelydangallary.se
//Clas
Posted by: the original brother, Some smart people are apparently careless readers. I personally have no objection -- moral, practical, or otherwise -- with leaking news of df wb sd projects; I have done so myself on one occasion in the past. But that is not the matter on which some take issue with Q.
Posted by: A Q-uirky observer, (at an undisclosed location)It sounds like Q, trying to decide what and how much to reveal here, could get stuck in the middle of P-R. :-)
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKNah, THAT'S not who I meant!! LOL
Posted by: Rajah, You know what the greatest thing is about Paul McCartney? His heart. All these years, he's never changed. I sense that he's a dear man and I think that's the most important part of being human.
Posted by: ph, Yep. Q is really who you think he is. He really is the omnipotent character from Star Trek: The Next Generation who likes to bother the crew of the USS Enterprise-D from time to time, and who has put Captain Jean Luc Picard on trial for the crimes of humanity. You never know who might be a Steely Dan fan.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKOops.
Sorry. LOL
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottngham UKIs Q really who I think he is? Should I be watching my Ps as well as my Qs?.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottngham UKIs Q really who I think he is. Should I be watching my Ps as well as my Qs?.
Posted by: Daddy G., No static at allSACD: TAKING A GOOD, HARD LISTEN
By David Patrick Stearns, Inquirer Music Critic
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/12483753.htm
The above article deals with the SACD format as it pertains to classical music only. And there is only a passing mention of DVD-A, no detail of it or comparison to SACD. Still, I thought a few folks might be interested. As usual with Philly Inquirer items the article is available online for one week only, free registration required.
Posted by: Q, TPAbrothers friend - rather heavy handed, and factually off base.
With regard to my recent posts they relate solely to DF's solo project.
I will refrain from any further comment for now.
Posted by: FACW , Boston: Yeah, it's ludicrous. The BEST thing the Dan could do is leak out any and all information. The "Cone of Silence" (for you Get Smart fans) that was attempted before EMG really backfired. Hell, I got in a row with pretentious someone "high up" (and I know who you are) about whether EMG had analog of digital mastering...as if that was the reason al Qaeda bombed the trains in Spain or the tube in London!!!!! This is an F***ing Rock Band! That's it! Great art, but diversions from and with our lives...
It's intersting, all kinds of stuff leaked out and tapes and CDs before TvN and with Azoff at the money machine helm, it debuted # 6 and went platinum (that that there's anything wrong with that). Music sales in the industry actually plummeted once the original Napster was banned...Why? people want a test drive, an early look. If they like it they'll buy it. It wasn't until iTunes and similar cheap-ish download and library programs that album sales recovered.
If there's a Fagen album, Dan album, or TOUR, then EVERY SINGLE PERSON NEAR OR ON THIS BOARD WILL BUY, BUY, BUY...I though whipping the choir went out with Vatican I!!! LOL
SteveeDan: Pie represents a release from and artistic purgatory of sorts since Paul got involved with all kinds of sniping with John, Yoko, George, and then Michael Jackson over the Beatles' song-ography copyrights ...yet he was still the richest musician in England...sometimes the greatest treasures are right in front of us.
Posted by: ed beatty, nyc Hi
Maybe ego's need to be assuaged and massaged.
"I know something you don't know(supposedly) and I'll be cryptic about it and act like it High school all over again."
Oh wow its you
ed
Posted by: angel, Ah.... Got it. That's what I get for moving over to the Gretchen side of The Donald. :-)
Not that that helps the cryptic posts, but at least one thing is cleared up in my mind.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Home At LastFor the record, Weber hasn't attempted to contact me, so I must assume that his "pay-off" is to snipe in this public forum. Therefore, his slander against me and others here is groundless and purely for sport. Why not take up badminton ? Then you could pulverise a defenseless little "birdie" ? OK. Enough about that.
FACW and Raj - McCartney's "Flaming Pie" was a great album. It came out at the perfect time for me because of my father's passing. We were very close and my father's battles with his various illnesses were epic in scope. He was a real class act, and simply impossible to recreate. Paul's "Pie" got me through this sad period in my life.
Rajah - don't worry about Watt's Towers. I'll be there in my dreadlocks and knit hat. Your feet will never touch the ground (just like they don't now ...)
Q - Hello. I'm scratching my head as I'm sure you are too. What's the point of being nice and trying to carefully divulge a little info about what may be coming out soon? I hope that the guff you've received here recently doesn't sour you to the extent that you will give up on the few of us here who appreciate what you post. In fact, wasn't it Hoops himself who was so intent on making this board a safer place so that, from time to time, people with this kind of information would be willing to give us a little hope to go on ? There's almost no other place to get any info on what might be coming out and when. So what if things change after you post it? You never signed a contract guaranteeing a release or its date. I just don't understand some people. Deep breathing would certainly help the situation. Don't let the jerks (me included) get you down.
Hassan - I see from your post that you have a hard time tolerating music discussion that isn't focused on the Jazz greats. I know a lot of people who also can't tolerate Rock music for probably many of the same reasons you don't. Hell, I remember when I was about 10 years old a friend of my parents would tell me that if the music wasn't played on acoustic instruments then it wasn't real music.
How would Bob Moog feel about that? Aw heck, he probably wouldn't care. After all, he had two of the greatest keyboard players EVER loving his inventions (Emerson and Wakeman) among many others. Last night I was watching a PBS show about Moog that was done in 2004. It was astounding. Moog wasn't merely an electrical engineer. He was also into all of this meta-physical stuff. He spoke about combining the energy that all living things have with musicians and that when the two get together (such as a musican and a Theremin) there is an opportunity for an organic creative flow. That's really heavy.
This PBS show had a segment with a woman who was a student of the Theremin, and it showed Moog sitting on a couch in her NYC apartment while she demonstrated her Theremin technique. I was utterly blown away by her performance. It was almost like a solo on a stand-up bass. Simply incredible ... all done with specific and careful hand gestures in thin air. I would love to get a chance to fool around with a Theremin.
In the spirit of Steely Brotherhood, have a great weekend everybody. Try not to fall prey to the flamers.
SteveeDan
Posted by: ed beatty, nyc ANGEL
HFS
You had to be there and you were "Roseland 2003"
I uttered that profanity to SOH upon realizing how special the night at Roseland was.
Right Soh?
Ed
P.S maybe we should appoint a rumor control officer.
Posted by: ph, Having a early-teen flashback:
I just remembered that the first time I had ever heard a Dan song that WASN'T "Do It Again", "Dirty Work", or "Reelin'" (three classic rock station favorites) was "Deacon Blues", and I HATED IT. And it seemed like for a month they would play it over and over again and I would get to the point that I turned the radio off. Now it's one of my fav songs... how funny.
Another interesting thing about that is the fact that, around that same time, I had no idea any of the four songs above mentioned were by the same artist. The first three, though from the same album, have very different styles. And "Deacon Blues" strays even further. It wasn't until my chem teacher lended me CBAT and AJA that I made the connection.
Posted by: angel, Amen, Mark in Boston. I'm with you.
What is HFS, Ed? I'm so confused....
Posted by: Boston Rag, top secretOh for Christ sake....this is really getting ridiculous. Iíve bit my tongue for a while. What the hell are we talking about here ñ tour plans and album releases?? Or is it inside CIA info on terrorist cells??? Sheesh, maybe a little info from ìinsideî people will help album sales this time around since, as Q sort of pointed out, it was a marketing disaster with EMG. The Dan has been my #1 band, however not much fun to follow.
ìAny news was good newsÖ..and the feeling was bad at homeî
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Big Fan, Enjoying the DayGot up early this morning to go landlocked salmon fishing. Got in the SUV to start towing the boat and the DJ on Rock 102, the Springfield, MA classic rock station says something about something from the vault and the there is a sound byte of Lisa Kudro from Friends ìEw, I think itís made from vinylî and then they play Deacon Blues ñ I took this as a good omen. Time on clock said 4:24 AM.
Posted by: ed beatty, correctionNB.
1999 VRS 2000
Please insert New Years eve 1999
ed
Posted by: ed beatty, @onthe road againHFS.
That is the best post or near the best post since the announcement posting of Two Against Nature on New Yrs eve 2000.
Ed
Posted by: brother's friend,
While others are not so sure, some of us accept your intentions ARE probably good, Q. But even then, your record of many years show you to be at least: rather gullible; unaware of (or unconcerned about?) the considerable and many sources of serious bias in your info; ignorant of (or insensitive to?) the larger dynamics of various situations; ignorant even of the number and names of informed players; thinking with certainty that you have the true or whole picture when in fact you do not; and willing to sour valuable relationships because of these unfortunate weaknesses -- good intentions or not.
But most of all, you have shown yourself to be powerless, in the end, to resist the sheer thrill of hinting at, leaking, or outright conveying your incomplete and skewed "info". Perhaps for the excitement of the fan, or perhaps -- just maybe a little? -- for the satisfaction of power-brokering information. Sure it is human nature. But some do successfully resist it, you know. Imagine that.
Your biggest test is coming up, make no mistake. When you learn, more than a month late, will you be able to do the right thing? Or will you instead, full of various semi-pious and "well meaning" justifications or illusions that you "haven't really told", squirt it out in one way or another? Your intentions may be good, but what about your actions? This is the serious shit, Q. Can you do it? Can you finally act with the special skill of a true insider? Can you suck up all your worst impulses, and be a respectful ally to the people and principles you claim repeatedly to value?
We'll be watching.
Posted by: C, http://www.steelydangallary.se/Ann - a great movie. The guy was about to make his mother dead crazy right? He did a lot of practical jokes on her, she found him when he had "hanged" himself in his room etc etc... And Cat Stevens, great singer/songwriter. All those good tunes, Sitting (oh I'm on my way I know I am...), Kansas City Nightmare, Majics of Majics, Hard Headed Woman and Father & Son. He was one of my top idols back then. And I was at his one and only concert here in Stockholm. It was great.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoNice review FACW....great to see that Macca's still got the creative urges in him.
I was reminded this evening of another creative force, who is very unlikely to return to a reincarnation of his former self. I colleague has just returned here to Fantasy Island from a holiday in Los Angeles. Whilst there he picked up the DVD of a movie I once told him was one of my favourites, but impossible to get here. It's "Harold and Maude", a cult black comedy from 1971, featuring the music of Cat Stevens. As I listened to the poignant melodies and lyrics (eg."Where do the children play?"), I was reminded of his great creative force. He's actually been here several times, raising funds for his educational projects. It will be a happier world if he has the same positive effect on the people of his current chosen pathway, as he did on my generation.
Seems to me that some people in here are being a tad belligerent. We all have our own reasons for dipping in here. My main reasons are for information and news about our heroes (as most of you know much more than me!) and I take pleasure in humour from the many varied characters who reside in here. I hope that at least some of you appreciate my occasional tongue in cheek postings....and if you don't...well, it takes all sorts to make a world!! For those of you who take pleasure in abuse, a little phrase springs to mind...."Do onto others.......etc.....
Rock on...........
Ann
Posted by: FACW , Q: That's what I thought ......................huh?
Raj: Flaming Pie ranks up there with Paul's best and among the cream of the post-Beatles albums. I'd rank it just behind Band on the Run and at least alongside Flowers in the Dirt, Tug of War, the underrated Back to the Egg. I like the way it's recorded
There's that hint of autumnal introspection and sadness throughout most of the album. Good flow on most of the songs. I think Paul spent most of his post-Beatles' songwriting period running away from being a member of the Fab Four. There was a new comfort and flow in his songwriting. As he came to peace with Linda's illness and passing, he came to peace with himself and the rancor with the rest of the band. After so much fluff, Paul strived to create something with permenance.
There was a spcial consideration to recording quality on the album. It also shows off Maccas prowess as a musician on bass, drums, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano, Rhodes, Wurly. His new comfort paul always works best with someone he trussts to bounce ideas off (ex, Elvis Costello (Flowers in the Dirt). Here George Martin, Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne, and Ringo collaborate. I think the anti-Jeff Lynne backlash may have cost Macca a Grammy and better sales. It doesn't make sense - the album doesn't sound like Lynne album at all, and I don't mind his work with the Traveling Wilburys or the Harrison albums Cloud 9 and Brainwashed.
Anyway, Flaming Pie starts off with 2 very good songs, The Song we were singing and The World Tonight ..."I Go Back so Far, I'm in Front of Me"...John would dig that lyric. If You Wanna is a Great blues number with Steve Miller. Great electric guitar licks. Somedays reflects the heart of Paul as a caretaker of Linda and their love...his most vulnerable. Gorgeous sound recording - perfect dueling acoustic guitars...George Martin adds perfect orchestral touches, sad not sappy, just like back with the Beatles - the bridge gives me chills. Next are 2 of my favorite songs on the album Young Boy and classic Calico Skies. On most albums, the title track Flaming Pie would be a typical Macca goofy throway - but here it rises to a Rocky Racoon White Album level.
Next is a song that's easy to underestimate as Paul has made so many of these pop ballads, Heaven on a Sunday. Another Linda love song. Paul here is so serious about making a great recording, that the layered vocals, drum track, guitars, bass are all in balance. I Used to be Bad is another fun blues rollick with Steve Miller. I;ve never been more impressed with Paul as a drummer. Souvenir reaches back to the mid to late Beatles' filtered through ELO - not bad, but my least favorite song on the album
Little Willow is simply one of Paul's best songs since the Beatles. Perfect in every way.
Really Love You is fun, although a little too long. Paul's Bass is the highlight.
The album ends with 2 killer tunes: Beautiful Night and Great Day, the former pan fryed to the Max, the latter stripped down as a classic Sir Paul acoustic recording. Beautiful Night starts off with Paul on acoustic piano - just a great flow to yet another love song. George Martin beefs up an already Let me be there with you in the dead of night... NOT a silly love song. Paul finally reveals all the talent we knew he had in him. It's particularly emotional with Linda's cancer as backstory...I think this song reveals the key to Paul's spotty post-Beatles' career. Macca spent most of it distancing himself from his past and who he really is. Great day is a perfect upbeat album-ender - hopeful despite the end of the life of Paul's greatest love drqwing nigh - Linda on backing vocals.. So in a sense, this album is like rehab...
Driving Rain is full of songs that are ALMOST good or great. Like he needed a little more time working out the lyrics or tune or production
Posted by: Newsletter, Carolyn Leonhart.comShirley Horn is in the hospital and not doing well. Kate McGarry is suggesting that, instead of sending lots of cards and overwhelming her, we could all write notes and wishes to her on nice pieces of paper which will be put on a large card and sent to her.
I will be bringing paper to my gig at Smoke this Sunday evening, and anyone is welcome to stop by and write a wish or blessing for Shirley.
PLEASE NOTE that there are other places where people can stop by and write a note to Shirley Horn as well (Tierney Sutton's gig at BirdlandÝthis Saturday, Judy's Neimack's gig on Monday at The Jazz StandardÝand Peter Eldridge's gig Tuesday at the 55 Bar) but time is of the essence.
If Shirley Horn has had a small fraction of impact on you that she has had on my life, I sincerely hope you will take one of these opportunities to let her know how much she means to you.
And feel free to forward this to everyone!
Thank you,
Carolyn Leonhart
This was an email from bassist John Clayton:Ý
Dear Friends,ÝÝ
"I don't know if you know that Shirley Horn is quite ill. She has been
moved from hospital critical care to Spellman Nursing Home in DC. She
isÝconscious, but as yet unable to speak. She is on dialysis, breathing
assistance and feeding tube. We are hoping for the best."
Shirley's music has probably touched most of us.Ý If you have a
chance, don't hesitate to reach out to her.Ý You'll be giving
something back.
Warmly,ÝÝ
John Clayton
This was the response from vocalist Kate McGarry:
Hi all...
You may have heardÝthat Shirley Horn is in the hospital and not doing well...Sounds like she'd appreciate hearing from anyone who loves her.ÝTo make it easier we could make oneÝbig card and put notes from anyone whoÝwants to send a blessing, so she can feelÝthe love and gratitude for her great work. Obviously time is of the essence.Ý People whoÝdon't live in NYC can just email yourÝmessage hereÝand we'llÝadd it into the card.
Ý
One ideaÝfor us inÝNYCÝisÝfor one person toÝbring small pieces of nice lookingÝpaper to a gig andÝon the break folks could writeÝa blessing orÝnote right there. If you have artistic ability or desire to help gather people's notes please let me know.ÝÝI suggest Tierney Sutton's gig at BirdlandÝthis Saturday, Judy's Neimack's gig on Monday at he Jazz StandardÝand Peter Eldridge's gig Tuesday at the 55 Bar asÝthree places where we could gatherÝpeople's good wishes. So many of us singers, instrumentalists and music loversÝhaveÝbeen influenced and nourished by Shirley's music over the years - lets 'Honk if you love Shirley Horn'.
ps please forward freely, its a big community.
thanks
Kate
Posted by: Q, TPAhahaha!
Few would care about a Dan book(ask Brian Sweet...) unless one spilled the salacious.
The have allowed their career to be managed miserably. Although, luckily for us they are artists rather than business men.
Posted by: Rajah, My apologies to all for the vulgarity. My bad, I beg your collective pardon. But even I have my limits, Jesus, sometimes I'd like to strangle some people around here.
Woke up in the middle of the night and started reading Grette's copy of Sweet's book. Geez, to fire the whole band and then to start anew with all those hired guns? I guess we could say they were true to their vision but, Skunk and Hodder weren't bad players or anything so I guess they made some enemies. But PL, KL, RS, Aja and Gaucho were the proof of that pudding, yes? Great albums. They've paid a price for their choices, maybe that's why they feel all guilty about it on the Plush video interviews.
Posted by: Steve, Lake Tahoe Nev.Q' I'm well traveled and for the life of me any rock book about rice or rodents always made a dent on a best seller list.
Not once on any book shelf have I noticed a Dan or so called manuscript penned by you. What has happend to this once stellar band, who's current core fans are now reduced to yelping pups on medications.
A wimpy sad state of affairs indeed.
Posted by: Rajah darling that still makes you Cheese Whiz, any way you want to look at itwith a 3 year mold too. You are another poster with anal leakage of the mouth. Why don't you invite Q over for some male bonding and bondage?
Posted by: news from Carolyn Leonhart.com, SMOKE this Sunday August 28It's time for another Sunday evening Smoke hang...
Featuring:
Carolyn Leonhart - vocals
Dan Kaufman - piano
Hans Glawischnig - bass
Donald Edwards - drums
2 sets at 6:30 & 7:45pm
Smoke is located at 2751 Broadway at W 106 Street
212.864.6662
See u there :)
Posted by: hoops, BTW: YES! I do like the CD and DVD; although I have other spiritual practices that I connect with more, I can take some things from with this. Listened to it a few times now.
Also: for those wondering about what label Steely Dan, WB and or DF might be with, the CD says Walter is courtesy of Warner Bros Records.
Posted by: hoops, Regarding Krishna Das' "All One," the thing to keep in mind is that, as stated on the discs, it isn't entertainment or pop music but yoga, spiritual, mantra. So the CD is one hour where "The Name" is sole mantra and the liner notes explain why.
Sometimes anonymity, etc or being indirect is very useful in making a point but some of the past couple of days' posts are such that I "get" very little of it, and, based on some of the emails I'm getting, I don't think anyone but the authors are getting it. Seems like some of this is just game playing and not anyone really dialoguing, etc.
jim
Posted by: Q, TPAQ not teasing - I would love to tell you everything I know - but then I would know nothing going forward. I have many sources. I know an enormous amount of info - more than I care to, in fact. But, the hallmark of my ability to navigate has been that I have maintained an extremely high degree of discretion - both in my vast Dan collecting efforts and otherwise.
Believe me, there are a handful of others who have similar levels of info. Frankly, I am the only one who tries to walk the tight rope of giving some (accurate "in the moment")info to those who grace this book and share the passion while exercising a maximum amount of discretion. Hell, I'm sure I'm in trouble for even going as far as I have - which you all seem to agree isn't very far at all! (see the conundrum?!....)
And, sure, I'll admit that there is an element of fun to it, I'm only human - remember, we all share the passion and it is a very powerful thing.
I am giving you very good info to the degree that I can and, again, I must emphasize that "the situation" is an almost constantly evolving scenario or set of scenarios.
Just take the Todd Rundgren phase - that was real - I was first to hint at it and first to inform of it's demise. Many scenarios have been contemplated over the last year or so.
I act in good faith with you, my fellow Danfans.
I still say, prepare your budgets for 1st quarter of '06.
Let the shredding begin!!!
Q!
Posted by: Rajah, Asshole.
Posted by: Rajah , I live to fulfill your dreams of me.
Posted by: Manny V., Pacoima Ca.On and on & on you go, I know it I know it, Rajah chico if you ever make it to the Watts International music festival I'll be the first one who throws you off Simon Rodia's towers! man if you have such the clutch and you love to see yourself in print why not write for the L.A. Free Press?
The southland would chew you up and spit you out.
Posted by: Rajah, Really rooting for the new Macca record to be relevant. I loved Flaming Pie, so very underrated. I'm the man on the Flaming Pie. Brilliant tribute record to the late Linda.
BTW, this brother person and his sister...they've got no class at all at all.
But tired as you are Dandom, you knew that.
Good weekend you guys.
Rajah
Posted by: Fox News, Fair & BalancedHoops is fair and balanced just like Fox News. Hoops plays no favorites. Hoops is a sane individual. It was on TV. It must be true
Posted by: Fox News, Fair & BalancedHoops is fair and balanced just like Fox News. Hoops plays no favorites. Hoops is a sane individual. It was on TV. It must be true
Posted by: ph, I wonder if these ambiguous 2 albums that have been hinted at for next year are the DVD-A's coming out...? Pretzel Logic and The Royal Scam are scheduled, so I've heard.
Posted by: People that Care, O Brother what's the story? Q is a tease. Don't be like Q. Give us the news.
Posted by: Big Fan, not gone yetOne last thing - we are going to se Paul McCartney Sept. 6 in Boston -his new CD will be in one of the slots for the trip up I'm sure.
Posted by: Big Fan, Going homeMade a mistake - realixed at lunch today that slot 4 was not the Royal Scam, but the soundtrack to Stealth the movie. Jessica Biel - hot or not?
Posted by: FACW, Sampling 3 songs of McCartney's new one Chaos and Creation due out 9/13. Shockingly good. If Flaming Pie (which I dig) tries to resemble mid period Beatles at times and the lesser Driving Rain (Tony Bubble is a great pop song though) is in the early Wings mold, this sound a little more like the White album period with a touch of Revolver. Macca's so gifted, a part of you pull for him, then then *quickly* dive into the hands over the head under the desk position ...so many dissapointments. This one MAY be OK. Macca's vocals did sound stronger in recent TV/DVD concerts than I've heard in years...
Posted by: Lily Von Shtupp, It's been 3 years no? Wow, I am tired, but...
I like the way he Moog'd
I like the way he Moo-oo-oog'd
I love the way
I love the way -
He Moo-oog'd
Posted by: Big Fan, At work - wiating for the weekendQ - I feel you bro.
6 disks in the monster SUV this morning:
1. TAN
2. Dobbie Brothers Minute by Minute 24K re release.
3. George Thorogood 30th Anniversary Tour: Live
4. Royal Scam
5. SD Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ 8/30/03 Live Disk 1
6. SD Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ 8/30/03 Live Disk 2
Hard to believe it's been 2 years. Taking everything to satellite next.
Posted by: HeyMike, turning that jungle music doooooowwwwwnnnnnHoops, I did not see Reely Dan last weeek. I hit their site for information and it was on there. In a tribute to Moog, lets all crank up Baba O'Reily today....
Posted by: DWB, Plexifilm Newsletter "Bob was generous, brilliant, and humble, which is a rare combination. It was an honor to spend time with him. I remember talking with him about whether he believed his instruments retained a memory of him and I certainly think that is true. In a very real way he lives on in his instruments and few have affected the world of music as Bob did. He will be missed."
- director Hans Fjellestad
"To me the thing that sums up Bob Moog is the fact that he was so humble in the face of being revered all across the globe for his amazing inventions. I know he saw himself as someone who helped musicians create. And he was proud of all the music that came from his machines from The Beatles to Dick Hyman to Pink Floyd to Sun Ra to The Moog Cookbook, and on and on. He was always doodling new ideas, he wore a pocket protector like a badge of honor, and he laughed often. The world has lost a true original"
- producer Ryan Page
Some links to news stories:
NY Times Obituary:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/arts/music/23moog.html?8hpib
and John Pareles feature:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/arts/music/23synt.html
NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4810689
Posted by: SteveeDan, Before my last post, I wrote two very long thoughful responses to Web's snipe and both were lost on this crappy hotel computer. Less is clearly more.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Web - come talk to me in private. You can easily find me I'm sure. I feel that it is inappropriate for you to snipe at me here. You will never get me to cower away.
SteveeDan
Posted by: FACW ,
Dr. Moog added electronics to the Theramin, a keyless device made of two antennae, almost impossible to play, and invented by a Russian physicist. The Theramin was used as to create the spooky sounding noises and music in Sci Fi movies. Dr. Moog started building his own version of the Theramin in the 50s and a Moog theramin was used in the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations, which is I believe the first 'synthesizer" in pop music... a couple of years before the Supremes' Reflections and Switched-on Bach and the melotron found in early King Crinson and Moody Blues....
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Crap! I just found out Michael Franks is playing at Scullers, a jazz club in Cambridge on Friday and Saturday. I got the kids this weekend so it's a no go. Has anyone caught any of Michael's shows this summer? Curious as to who is in the band. One of my top 5 shows of all time was seeing Miles Davis in 1985 with Michael Franks as the opening act. Steve Kahn was playing guitar. Great show top to bottom.
Guess, I'm going to have to break out the WB-produced "Blue Pacific". Haven't heard that in quite a while.
Stay dry you FLA Bluebookers!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: hoops, hanging out at borders' cafÈ expresso (as opposed to cafÈ l'escargot)Cryptic indeed!
To counterbalance, I'd like to offer some concrete info on a recording of metaphysical material :-)
Here's a heads up: At Borders, they have a limited, exclusive edition of Krishna Das' "All One" which of course features Walter Becker on Bass. The special edition also comes with a bonus DVD. Obviously I'm expecting this to be a very tangentially Dan listening experience. I'll post more when I get to listen to it and watch the DVD. BTW: the CD+DVD version is being displayed on an endcap with new releases at this Bordersóa little harder to find in their regular "World Music" bins.
Ann! Thanks for the links on Moog. The first time I was aware of an actual Moog synth was on Elton John's self-titled U.S. debut album where it was played on two tracks, "First Episode at Hienton" and "The Cage," played by Diana Lewisóthen Paul Buckmaster's wife. Of course I had heard "that sound" before but that was when I was first aware that it was called a "Moog." Intense and eerie.
jim
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Bed, Bath and Beyond...I vote for lavender...
And aroma...
And therapy...
SOH
Posted by: Lili Von Shtupp, it's true, it's trueWhat can I tell you?
I'm tired.
But...
I like the waaaay you move
I like the waaaay you move (Whoo-o-o!)
I love the waaaay you move
I love the way, I love the way.
Posted by: Gretchenq, not one of the 3 tired characters.....Please, it's getting way too cryptic in here. Can we have some intelligent discussion, or lavender aromatherapy, at least?
G
Posted by: brother's sister, May I add, sources like me and my brother ALWAYS APPRECIATE the Einsteins who make all 20 or so of us to be the 3 or 4 same old tired characters. This all by itself is a pretty good sign of a weak or incomplete grasp of the larger picture. If you really can only imagine the same 3 people behind every bush, you really have NO IDEA of how real information moves around...and where your little piece of it fits in. or measures up, or doesn't.
C'mon brother, back to lurking. Nobody ever cares about us anyway....they can't even imagine our existence.
Posted by: brother, Case in point: Nothin' Former about The Drone, dude. But your sources? Hey, always the best! doubt nothin! full monty fact!
as you so charmingly like to say,
"lol"
Posted by: Cuz Dur-pee, How about a Kiss?Keep our Pants on? Whattya talkin' 'bout Q-tipster? Reading between the lines of "keep your pants on" means no sex until January? YOWEEEE!!
And Q and Oh Brother, where art thou????? Tell us what's going on! Can't you tell us with a allegory, fable, finger puppet play, Happy Bunny t-shirts, or something? Something??! Anything!?? Awww you are teases who know nothing. A whole lotta smoke and a lotta hot air. Give it to us straight up. All the sordid details. Gotta plan my tour travels NOW.
Posted by: Rajah, First we heard a tour was on for 06, the next rumor I heard was that it was all off. They might not even know yet. Purdie seemed pretty convinced when he announced a tour for 2006 but who is to say. Only the two dark shadows know.
Their prerogative, our conundrum. But as far as reading between the lines, heck, that's a way of life by now for a Steely Dan fan.
Posted by: Q, TPABrother, I am only wrong to the degree that the people "at the helm" can't get their own shit together...
You, however, are....Former SD Webdrone is my guess. Random, dummy ids, the kooky bit...LOL!
I say action in January - period
But, hey, Web - I want that WB 94 boot!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheeeeiiit!!!!
Oh, well.........................
Let's all keep our pants on til January(gee, maybe February given the beloved folks that we are dealing with here...)
Posted by: ph, Yeah, Girlfriend, I hate <hr> tags too. LOL.
Posted by: Girlfriend, turning JapaneseMy eyes are slanted from trying to read in between all these lines....
Posted by: hoops, Steevedan sent me a couple of CDs of his band's performances and they are quite good, although, Web's joking aside, nothing compares to the Real Steely Deal.
As for a Cincy Danfest '06: Right now I'm left hanging like we should all pass on Cincy in '06óif not to save up for the possibility of a real Steely Dan tour, then at least to check out a more responsive band and venue.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Silly Web-ster, trick posts are for kids. I'm sure PL appreciate your insinuation but, no, probably Steely Dan are still a little better at covering Steely Dan than Pretzel Logic and many of the fine ensembles who choose to interpret their songbook.
If we were to compare the two to cheeses, I'd say Steely Dan is the Parmegiano Reggiano, PL a Pecorino Romano so I try to enjoy each for what they are.
Posted by: Web, Q- Good man! Keep those boots to yourself. I know how you feel man. Steely Dan fans are always begging me to trade that sound board tape of the Walter Becker show from Slims in 1994. I can NOT, and will NOT, give that sucker up!!
Steevedan- I personally like Pretzel Logics version of Rikki more than the real Steely Dan's version. After all, you're more talented then the real Steely Dan. (At least that's what you're always insinuating).You only post here to plug your gigs. When are you finally going to realize nobody on the Blue (besides Rajah and Gretchen) gives a flying f*%k about your cheesy little wedding band!
Can't wait for the Cincy Dan fest '06!!!
Posted by: Alkali, NYC"Rikki" Ah, how that song haunts me mixing memory with desire....
Has anyone here at the blue ever tackled the "Rikki" issue? (Not that it necessarily is an issue)
I don't mean whether it's gay or not, not that there's anything wrong with that?
What I mean is that opening bass line to that tune was Sampled, Stolen, borrowed, reinterpreted, used? Or whatever.
I mean they must have gotten some kind of ok from silver right?
but, is it kosher?
I can't decide.
someone brought up the original intro to it you know that marbles dropped into a fish tank effect, I think I only have that on vinyl that my cousin gave to me....scratches and all.
None of my CDís have it.
Peace
A
Posted by: Ann, BorneoMusicians and fans celebrated the life of synthesiser pioneer Dr Robert Moog at a memorial in North Carolina.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4179350.stm
Posted by: SteveeDan, Vacationing in San Diego (Shamu says Hello)Hey Baba Raj --
How's everything going ? On the 1996 (Art Crimes ?) Tour, they played Rikki. They updated the arrangement, changing some chords in the verse section, and it was a little bit more laid back, but, it is a very interesting rendition. I can give you more "info" on that (prima facia or otherwise) if you would like my Tuban-ator.
Q - it's good news, thank you. The leader from "The Mighty Wooners" (the Doctor Wu band in Venice Beach, California) says hello, and I send you my best. Hope everthing is well, and from the sound of it ... it certainly is. As far as o 'bro (or is that weber) goes, I guess you could say ... he's toast. (That's a Weber bread joke - this explanation is for those of you who might never have heard of the Weber brand of bread - no longer in existence by the way ... maybe there's a trend ... wishful thinking perhaps).
Southy - You know better ... and I know better too !!
I hope that your relocation is going well. Do you still have the same cell phone number? I guess I could find out with ... a call, huh ? Don't answer that, ... you'd just be indulging "the noodge".
I'm looking forward to seeing some of you at La Ve Lee in Studio City, CA on Thursday September 1st (8:00 PM kids), and then, at the Fiesta Hermosa event at Hermosa Beach, CA on Sunday Sept. 4th (11:00 AM - you could call it "the naked brunch" if you like ...)
Our website finally is getting it's face-lift. Come and join in the fun at www.pretzellogicband.com
OK ... back to the jacussi !
Stevee(aw go soak yer head !)Dan
Posted by: FACW , Sure. OK Q. Fagen album in January. Steely Dan double album in July. Tour in August. Glad that's cleared up now.
Posted by: Steve, Lake Tahoe Nev.Why in modern sophistication would I want to attend a Dan fest in Cincy, Latrobe or anywhere else? To hang with a current fan base/dudes who look and act like the Menendez Bros. and Women who seem to want to stop menopause or any type of natural aging.
No wonder boys run for cover!
Posted by: brother, Q -
OK, if part of your being "cryptic" and "obtuse" includes being misleading and...um....actually WRONG, then I get it now. Carry on.
bye bye
lol
Posted by: Rajah, Dagnabbitt, Q, could you just fire up the burner and ship that boatload of stuff ovah heer???
Do you need a Fed Ex number, I have it right here.
Posted by: Q, TPA"o_brother" - I am hearing only half the story??? - aI GUARANTEE that I am hearing the WHOLE story. I simply posted in a semi cryptic manner because I Do know the WHOLE story...
Bottom line is...things are in motion - but again - I was very cryptic and even obtuse in my statement about music coming forth to us.
By the bye, o_brother - I feel SURE that I know who you are...as do others...
LOL
Posted by: Rajah, Ya know, you're right sweetheart, as usual.
Course, you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: Gretchen, packing for vacation........Rajah, don't you think SOH is too busy getting settled to think about women? Leave him alone, he doesn't have time for such nonsense.......
G
Posted by: Rajah, psSOH - That was a total ringing endorsement. I've witnessed the effect you have on women as evidenced by Angel, Mrs. SteveeDan and my wife. Palpable vibrations at high amplitudes. Further evidence is our Jenny in Frederick, MD.
I'm pimpin you boyfriend.
Hope you're finding DC to your liking, my 8 years there were the best of times...
Posted by: Rajah, Ph - WOH I think will be remembered as one of their very best efforts. I always think of it as Walt's tune, hanging out waaay west of Hollywood, not deeply into anything special and of course he launched himself across the room and he almost got there but, sadly, it was too late. Yeah, I do believe it's about... was it Karen Stanley, his doomed love. And I think Walty carried the kernel of that song inside for a long time before it came bursting out of him. I hear a lot of pain in West of Hollywood. Just projecting my own narrative on the song there, don't mean to force it on anybody.
But, ph, now that I look at that list I made, I see something else in there, it's a kind of dramatic tension in that grouping of songs. Like Rikki, the intro is so spooky. Same with Do It Again, Black Cow, JOS, they're ominous, there's danger ahead. Like Greenbook, what a fantastic and strange little song. What's spookier than Dr. Wu? Even the intro to Pixeleen, that floor tom intro and those sharp guitar chords that I would bet money on are Hugh McCracken, something's coming down the tracks, there's a conscious preface in play, the narrative is being built even before the lyrics, setting you up. Tension, danger, drama.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Steely Bastard
Sheesh, cuz...Not sure if that was a ringing endorsement or some sort of PSA (like the weekly testing of Emergency Broadcast System...)
Spelunking...Only you could use that word with such perfection and grace, El Turbini...
PS, ph...Anaheim '94? The Juice Newton comeback tour? You don't HAVE it? Omigato...
SOH
Posted by: ph, Raj... "Jack of Speed" instead of "West Of Hollywood"? I'ld say it's at least a tie.
I for one am finally getting tired of "Rikki", been skipping past it in the car. And of course, I've only been a dan fan for the greater half of a year. (Hmm... no, it's been longer than that, 'cause WOH was playing in my car when it got wrecked last december... wow, time flies).
Posted by: FACW, p: lol...My information would be what is termed the Primary source...I think everyone here knows how I feel about the Sweet book.
Posted by: Rajah, lHB - email me and I'll give you the G's.
Rikki was a song you really looked forward to hearing come on the car radio in the summer of 74 no matter how many times it came on and it came on a lot, they played the living crap outta that tune and I think it still holds up even though I've read Donald say they got so sick of it. Can't remember but have they played this one live since 93?
If I had to pick a cut from each record on the basis of its clarity, the sparkle of the recording:
Do It Again
Razor Boy
Rikki
Dr. Wu
DTMA
Black Cow
Time Out of Mind
Jack of Speed
Pixeleen
Posted by: p, u"BTW, she's Paul Shaeffer's cousin, not sister [hope that helps the "pop-ups!"], and a former girlfriend of Donald's"..
FACW- You and Clas really have to stop believing everything you read in Brian Sweet's book!
Posted by: FACW, with an easy touch Regarding the thread awhile back re-erupting the latent queer eye look (not that there's anything wrong with that!) at Rikki Don't Lost that Number. Highly unlikely. Rikki is a desired female and the narrator an over the hill player:
"We can go out driving on Slow Hand Row"
Guys if you don't get it...you uhhhhh... don't get it...
BTW, she's Paul Shaeffer's cousin, not sister [hope that helps the "pop-ups!"], and a former girlfriend of Donald's...
Posted by: Honeybun, Sorry to use the board for matters other than Dan related; didn't know what else to do, i promise it's a one off.--
Ok. Hi Gretchen, I've tried emailing you a few times with no luck, figured you'd changed email address. Mine is still the same so, if you wanted to get in touch and we can take it from there. Hope all's well.
Posted by: Gretchen, still sleepy......I always thought Eugene Levy was the ultimate Steely Dan character....(he's kind of like Donald's goofy brother) if a movie were made using their songs as a theme, he'd have to have top billing........
Hey Honeybun (Laura), good to see you back, email me, we need to catch up!!
G
Posted by: FACW , Q: You're such a tease.
Here's what my sources say is in the finishing touches for Cable Only Release
RONCO PRESENTS
The NEW album by Steely Dan
Masters of the Ironic, NOW masters of Buddhist Polka
entitled "Way Back Zen"
Eleven Tracks of Slack, featuring guest appearance by Zamphir on the Pan Flute, Boby Vinton and the Lawrence Welk singers on backing vocals, and Eugene Levy on the Accordion! ...developing...
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKQ:
You should be very proud of yourself.
Posted by: o brother, Q you are only hearing half the story. And it is a doozie I must say. Whatever...
Posted by: Q, TPAHoly Moly - you guys are soooo uptight.
If that didn't smack of a prima facia JOKE , I don' know what could pass for one.
Yah, I've got hundreds of bootlegs - Am I going to pass them around? NO WAY IN HELL!
I guess, I am sorry to all of the 23 people who emailed me (some were actually tantalizing, I must say) - but, NO I will not proliferate.
Maybe it is hypocrytical for me to feel that I have the right to seek out and collect them while not "sharing", but I guess we all have our own "bag" - mine is obsessive archival mania - what can I say, other than my apologies to all, including Hoops (although, Jim, I thought you would know better... - but I still love you)
Anyway - everyone have at it!, but I am truly sorry, but I simply can not proliferate Dan boots - I have made tooo many commitments to tooo many people and, quite simply, my word is my bond (or bong, whichever you prefer...)
Best of luck to all and remember...everything percolates to the "surface" one way or another over time.
Best - and apologies..........,
Q
PS Things are in FULL gear towards a new era in the DF/WB phase- guaranteed - STAY TUNED (not neccessarily through any post(s) by me)!!!!!! God bless these to fine and brilliant men.
Posted by: Rajah, See what I mean?
Jenny hello, you MUST meet our Hollywood, Frederick is just a stone's throw but far enough away.
Welcome Wagon Rajah
Posted by: Jenny, The Big Metropolis of Frederick, MDOn a perpetual lurkers changer at the moment...
Steely Dan Sampler (Freebie when I changed in my SD Box disc#2 for the one with the correct Rikki intro)
Steely Dan EMG
Pink Floyd The Division Bell
Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice (Starbucks disc- one of her choices is Third World Man)
Bluegrass Today
Doobie Bros. Greatest II
Thanks for entertaining me through those dull moments at work!
Posted by: Rajah, DWB - I'll be listening at 7 AM PDT Thursday at the office. Thanks for the tip.
They played an old recording of Georgie Jessel's, "My Yiddishe Mama" on the old old oldies AM station in LA, 1260, and dadgummit that's a great song, wow, nice feel. Proving again you don't have to sing that well to sing that well. In ten years, Donald could star in, "The Georgie Jessel Story," ... could happen.
I now address all vulnerable age appropriate females in the DC Metro Area: APB on the dangerous Mr. South of Hollywood, he's resurfaced apparently and you best believe he's a stone cold taker, tooling into a new town, trolling for a whole new set of chicks. Take you picnicking in the Shenendoah Valley, maybe little canoe ride on the Potomac or just some good 'ole spelunking at Harper's Ferry, it's dolly back, fade to black. Shocking. What a scam. Tangoing into a smoky ballroom near you. Steely bastard.
Posted by: DWB, ...... and there's always a Steely tune in there... (Home At Last in the first show)
Posted by: Due with Buzz, WUSB MountainHowdy friends, folks, and fellow fiends --
Some of you may remember (fondly or otherwise) the radio program John Tabacco and I co-hosted on WUSB prior to John's departure for Maui last August. After a year's hiatus, it has returned to the airwaves and is also available for listening on WUSB's website. Here are the details:
WHAT: The Non-Objective Reality Show
WHEN: Thursdays, 10 A.M. - Noon (U.S. Eastern Time)
WHERE: WUSB, Stony Brook, New York
90.1 FM
Netcast at http://www.wusb.fm
The show is broadcast/netcast in "real" time, then is archived for one week (until the next show) on the WUSB website. To listen to the archived version, go to the WUSB home page, then click on the program grid. Go to the programming for Thursday, find The Non-Objective Reality Show, then click on the ear symbols to the right of the grid to listen. The top ear gives you the first hour of the show, the second ear is the second hour. (I didn't know that until John pointed it out to me!)
Our guest this week is Eric Nichols, who'll be joining us by phone from North Pole, Alaska to discuss his new book "Plasma Dreams", current research into the ionosphere, Alaskan folkways, vacuum tubes, mini-carrot ranching, and/or the aurora borealis. It's sure to be a lively conversation!
If you'd like to contact us about the radio show, or have any recording studio-related questions, e-mail us here:
presidentstreetstudios(AT)yahoo(DOT)com
You can always find sorta new news and semi-frequent updates at
http://www.nigeylennon.com
P.S. If you'd prefer not to hear anything further about this @#$%& radio program, just say the word and we'll promptly remove your name from the announcement list.
(edit DWB:just scroll on by)
Thanks for listening!
--Nigey and John
Posted by: Alkali, NYCCHRYS: Matzah/Matzoh....
You say tomato I say tomato...
And it's Goi not Goy :-)
Now playing:
Thelonious Monk ìBrilliant Cornersî
Tchaikovsky ìNCSuiteî
Allan Holdsworth ìWardencliffe Towerî
Weather Report ìMysterious Travelerî
Miles Davis ìSketches of Spainî
Steely Dan ìCountdown to Ecstasyî
Peace
A
Posted by: Ann, BorneoObituary:
Dr. Robert Moog
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4696651.stm
Posted by: Chrysler, PAIsn't Matzoh-Pizza the long-lost city, built high on an Andean mountaintop, where the Incas hid what was left of their empire from the Spaniards?
And how come this goy is the one to spell "matzoh" correctly? For shame.
Posted by: Rajah, Five vinyl albums left out from last Sunday when Gretchen poured us a coupla martoonies from LWO's shaker set. Gretchen's says, "Gretchen" on her's. Nice. Mine says, "Rajah" on the base of the classic pedestal, how precious is that, I love that, W1, it's so...homey and...well, personal. The shaker says, "Steely Dan," I mean really how sad is that but wonderful in its own way. Kinda. Huh girls?
See, I have learned something from the DanGrrrls around here.
Ouchie.
Left on the rack without their covers:
Turning Point - John Mayall & Bluesbreakers
The Yes Album - Yes
Welcome to the Canteen - Traffic, Etc.
Goodbye - Cream
Yellow Brick Road, I - Elton
Posted by: Boston Rag, Best City in the US of AThinks are boppin in Beantown! The Rolling Stones opening their ìBigger Bangî tour at Fenway Park (!) last night. Tickets on the field were $450 face. Yikes!
Martin Scorsese and crew is all around Boston this summer filming ìThe Departedî ,an Irish mafia flick.
Anyone else get a big chuckle out of Nate singing Rare Earthís ìI Just Want to Celebrateî in a white tux and shades during last nightís series finale of ìSix Feet Underî?
What a mind blowing final 5 minutes!
As for boots ñ I think the industry has changed enough in the past 5 years that no ìbootleggersî are making money off bands. Most fans I know are just traders. Also, I think most people on this board own the entire catalog put out by Donald and Walter so theyíre not getting screwed out of cash. It does get me quite angry when people flaunt boots that they have ñ itís turns it into the have and have-nots. Speaking of boots, my nephew e-mailed me and told me he downloaded a 20 minute soundcheck of cover tunes by KISS that included them doing ìReelinî. Iím looking forward to hearing that! (or maybe not).
Now Playing:
ìOut of State Platesî Fountains of Wayne
ìTwin Cinemaî The New Pornographers
ìTransatlantic Ping Pongî Glenn Tillbrook
ìX&Yî Coldplay
ìGueroî Beck
Mark in Boston
Posted by: p, uSouth- What is live in "Anaheim '94" ?
Now spinning on Carousel 1
Grateful Dead Movie (5.1 DVD....awesome!)
Pink Floyd (performance at this years 'Live Eight')
Tom Petty ( Full Moon Fever )
Larry Carlton (Fire Wire)
Steely Dan (EMG)
Derek Trucks (Joyful Noise)
Posted by: alan , approching springtimeSouth, 19 days without the net and you survived ?
Ok here's what's spinning downunder...
Boz Scaggs Greatest Hits Disc 2
Zero 7 Simple Things
Victor Feldman Audiophile
CPR
Pretzel Logic
Big Head Todd and the Monsters Sister Sweetly
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, 38:50:56.094N 77:19:50.128WAhhh...
May-December romance...
Brings to mind my favorite math stumper:
How many times does 42 go into 22?
Currently in the player:
Low Millions
Yerba Buena
Jeff Buckley
Jack Johnson
Walter Becker
Anaheim '94
19 days with no internet was a BITCH...Nice to see you all again!
SOH
Posted by: hoops, What's interesting is that Knopfler's "Boom Like That," discussed during the NPR interview, is a less than flattering view of Ray Kroc, founder of McDonald's, and, of course, Kroc's widow became NPR's biggest benefactor when she passed away.
jim
Posted by: ph, paying to playYep, found it:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4765621
Thanks Hoopsie.
Got to track 9 on the drive home... I love the album. It's very stripped, not a lot of instrumental with a focus on lyrics. Reminds me of 11TOW, not in a lyrical or musical sense, but just where the emphasis is.
Posted by: hoops, Around three weeks ago, NPR, "Morning Editon Sunday," had an interview with Knopfler about "Shangra-La." If you do a search, I bet you could find it in their archives.
Local album/"progressive" rock station here in Chicago, WXRT, 93.1 FM had a weekend of flashback shows. They spent an hour per year, recapping what they played for the past 30+ years that they have been around, plus a few extra years before, leading up to the station's founding. (Today, the inde station is owned by one of the mega chains). So, of course, when it came to 1972, they played "Do It Again;" for 1975 they played "Bad Sneakers," and for 1980 they played "Time Out of Mind." Of course, these are obvious to us fans, but in other ways it floored me since it has been so long since I've heard these songs in the context of the radio playlists of the days when they came out. These days, I still listen to these timeless SD tracks; yet I had forgotten some of the music that was on the same playlist when they were new. It allowed me to revisit the original context in which I heard these tracks.
Hey Mike, etc: Any of you make it to see Katy Lied/Reely Dan in Hinsdale this past Thursday?
Here's what's been in my changer:
Van Morrison, "Common One"
Steely Dan, "Katy Lied"
Walter Becker, 11TOW
Rickie Lee Jones, "Pirates"
Dave Brubeck, "Time Out"
Donald Fagen, "The Nightfly"
Link to story about Kenny Vance:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/16508
jim
Posted by: hoops, A week ago, in response to some bootleg talk, I wrote:
"I don't even actually have a policy that we can't discuss bootlegs and unissued recordings--they are there...I've said that from the first week of this place. And in fact, even record companies consult with the fans who know the bootlegs. And in fact, Paul C's item didn't even offer the boots. What I do mindóand leaves me liableóis when the blue is used to tell people how to get boots, etc. That wasn't exactly offered per seÖbut there are some other things that I felt we should consider in good karma to the band. (to be continued in a fewÖ)"
At the time, I meant "in a few hours," after I got caught up at work and had some time to finish collecting my thoughts and write something more eloquent that what appears below. So here it is a week later and I guess, Q is trying to press the issue or something (No, I didn't request his post and I'm not getting i
t, maybe I misunderstand.) So here goes my less than Steely response.
So my point continued is that B + F aren't especially nuts about such recordingsóheck, they aren't keen on the sorta legal 1968-71 demos that get re-released over and over again. Although SD has an "attitude" towards the media, critics and record industry, they have been good to us fans and that's worth respecting. Given that, I don't see how some fans can be so shameless about offering boots here or dissing SD without at least some temperance, for cryin' out loud. Sure, it's probably not against the law or something to simply mention these things exist. Hey maybe no one will stop you from doing so, but then again, nobody says Steely Dan has to really go out their way for their fans either. But they pretty much have , especially in their comeback decade 1993-2003. So that's why I think folks should keep the boots allusions to a minimum (and no way on the offering of boots). Be decent about it, it's in good karma which I think is the most important point of this place.
Posted by: ph, doing the walk of lifeJust picked up Knopfler's Shangra-La (I actually _bought_ music! I'm so proud of myself), and me likes gambling as a metaphor for life. Sure doesn't remind me of any other bands, LOL. The stupid CD won't play in my computer though, so I've only listened to the first track on the drive between walmart and my workplace. "5:15" was pretty good.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCYGK: I didn't know. thanks.
B'WAY: we'll have to go somewhere else!
here's some other suggestive band names for everyone to think over:
10 C.C.
AC/DC
JOHN CAFFERTY AND THE BEAVER BROWN BAND
CHERRY POPPIN' DADDIES
HOOTIE AND THE BLOW FISH
SQUIRREL NUT ZIPPERS
WHITE SNAKE
LOVIN' SPOONFUL
SOFT MACHINE
and last but not least
STEELY DAN ?
Peace
A
Posted by: YGK, herep: well, the Walken thing was a stretch, but couldn't you hear him saying, "What, WHAT about Steely Dan, man?"
ygk
Posted by: Honeybun, lurking for way too long...Hey guys and gals,
Well in response to the latest talk of younger ladies being with older guys; 26 year olds hooking up with 59 year olds etc, all i can say is this recently turned 27 year old Honeybun is more than happy with her slightly 'older' Hemiola and long may it continue and it was all thanks to this little 'Dan community that we crossed paths in the first place. But of course, each to their own.
Posted by: p, uYGK, yes that's true. Le Bar Bat in no more and Christopher Walken never said he was a Steely Dan fan.
Posted by: YGK, nycAlkali: you DO know that Le Bar Bat is no more, correct?
ygk
Posted by: Rajah, Ann, seems to me we have to look at this thing in a cold, clinical light. My premise is that it takes one hell of a lot more stimulation for a 59 year old man to perform the necessary and vital functions of a caring and considerate spouse, significant other or Mr. Right Now as the case may be. I put it to you then that it only stands to reason that as a man gets older, primordial biological imperative compels him to seek out younger and younger but appropriately aged females of highly developed sexual attractiveness with which to *life partner*, if I may use that term of art. While these vital young specimens of the fairer sex may at first feel a kind of, well, revulsion might be too strong a term at the thought of copulation with a creaky old fart -- you get my drift here, these young women do eventually bite the...bullet (easy now) and perform all, and I must stress all, of the very necessary tasks involved in the continued procreation of future generations of the weak, spindly progeny these May-December unions generally spawn. That's according to the latest statistics by the New England Journal of Medicine, or was it FHM Magazine, a publication which I personally feel to be exploitative and prurient but which nonetheless performs its own function within the framework of the greater whole of societal and in this case biological interaction.
Anyway, you begin to appreciate the dire need for an unbroken line of hot young babes flowing toward the general direction of the older male populace.
Makes sense.
Baba Come To Papa Rajah
Posted by: Alkali, NYCBíWAY STEVE: say the word; weíll go to Le Bar Bat or somewhere the same.
RAJ: good joke, Iíll have to bring it up at dinner. I donít know about you but it really came as a surprise to me that some of my friendís furniture wasnít permanently covered with plastic! What part of Italy is your family from?
ANN: congratulations on your daughters achievement, Iím sure youíre proud.
PAOLO: di dove ne scrivi caro? A cuanto tempo ti piace Steely Dan? Se per caso ti trovi
nel i Stati Uniti(NY) mi fai sapere che ci incontriamo.
Peace
A
Posted by: Ann, BorneoAs we seem to be in to 10cc lyrics and Jewishness at the moment,for those of you who missed it, see my posting on 9th July for a tangential story related to both those topics them.
Alkalai: Good on yer for trying to help a fellow human being!! At least you tried!
Here's my contribution to try to help others:
Lost my 66 year old step-mother this weekend to lung cancer....she would have had many years to enjoy her retirement if she hadn't been a heavy smoker. Now my 80 year old Dad is a widower.
If you do smoke, don't do it...it's not worth it!
Happy/Sad news this week: The Off-Spring achieved the required grades to get her uni place/scholarship, so she'll be off to to Music Heaven (Manchester) in 2 weeks time......life just won't be the same ever again! Boy, will I need my Blue buddies!!
Hey 19!! or in this case 26.....the full significance of this song has just hit home to me with the latest news to come out of Fantasy Island. It's just been reported (allegedly!)that our 59 year old leader has just married a 26 year old!!.....can I see the all the male members of the Blue turning green??????
Pass me the botox!!!!!!!!!
Ann
Posted by: Rajah, Ah, the many-colors of Dan.
The difference between Jewish or Italian mothers and a Rotweiller? The Rotweiller eventually lets go. [rimshot] Thank you, sorry ma.
Q - Am I reading this post of yours correctly or have we perhaps crossed over into some parallel anti-matter universe and no one told me? This is some sort of fiendishly crafty trick, right?
OK, I'll play along...
PLEASE SEND ME THE SHHHIIIIIITTT, dude!!!!!!!!!!
I have a nice collection of Gerry & the Pacemakers on 45 that I can trade.
here's my address to give to the driver:
Dutchess County Jail
35 Annandale Drive
Thrillkill Cult, NY 12504
I've reserved two bays at the truck dock, back that puppy right up.
Baba Everything Must Flow Rajah
Posted by: Alkali, NYCYes, i'm what you call a Matzah-Pizza, my dad is Italian and my Mom Jewish.
if you're ever in New York City, drop me a line and we'll hang out.
A kind of Steely Dan moment, my cousin Sarah is a huge Barbara Streisand fanatic, we were at services together on the Sabbath where we began talking about music and invariably she steers the conversation toward Barbara i asked her if she knew that she recorded a song written by Becker/Fagen named "I mean to shine" she didn't! how about that!
i remember Sarah first introducing me to Barbara when i was a kid just learning to walk and hearing "Stoney end" blaring in the back ground.
it's still my favorite song by her.
Peace
A
Posted by: Gretchen, not London TownStevee, thank you again for a wonderful show this afternoon. The band sounded and looked fantastic, particularly the horn section in that spectacular beachside setting. And I really enjoyed your "Obscure Favorites" compiliation, ........by the way, Wings' "Girls School" was the b side to "Mull of Kintyre." Any previews for "Obscurities Vol. 2?"
G
Posted by: Rajah, Alkali, are you a goomba??? Paesano!
bwaySteve - I know tons of Sephardic Jews, you can't swing a dead cat in LA without bumping into the Sephardim.
I think a Steely Dan Tribute Klesmer Band would be a HUGE winner if fronted by a transgender Barbara Streisand chantuse.
Posted by: bwaySteve, Times SqHey A. I'm Sephardic too.
So rare to find another one these days.
We have to hook up...
Posted by: Alkali, NYCWell, noone can say that i didn't try.
i went down to see my doctor about donating for Michael Brecker,
my doctor came back and told me that i'm not a match. he explained that the best match is still Ashkanaze Jewish, I'm Shephardic.
Bootleg Steely Dan, are you kidding?!(this isn't a Grateful Dead board for crying out loud)
Ciao belli, quando e che vediamo quello disco del il nostro companio maestro Fagen, questi promese di il arivo in Gennaio puo essere piu scherza che verita.
dimi quando, quando, quando?
"...bevi il grande mucha nera e vai via di qua"
Pace
A
Posted by: Q, TPAHoops asked me to put this out as a general announcement to all Bluebook participants:
If you want Steely Dan bootlegs just email me at steelydude#yahoo.com and all of your Steely Dan bootleg desires can be fulfilled.
THIS MESSAGE IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS AN OFFER OR SOICITATION TO PROVIDE STEELY DAN BOOTLEGS NOR DOES IT CONSTITUTE A VEHICLE FOR THE PROLIFERATION OF STEELY DAN BOOTLEGS - THE MANAGEMENT
Posted by: Gretchen, for God's sake.............Gimme a country
Where i can be free
Don't need the unions
Strangling me
Keep me in exile the rest of my days
Burn me in hell but as long as it pays
Art for arts sake
Money for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!
G
Posted by: 10cc, 70s"'Cause you promised milk and honey and an everlasting life
And we listened with our ears closed
And a blindness in our eyes
But we heard them as they nailed you and we saw you crucified
The second coming of the Holy Ghost
We need a pocketful of miracles
Two thousand years and he ain't shown yet
We kept his seat warm and the table set"
January? OK!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKHilarious.
Absolutely side-splitting.
Posted by: Sid, culver cityHey youse guys we here at ACME Talent-for-Hire are looking for seasoned tribute bands, and the county fairs are payin' TOP DOLLAH! ya hear that grrls, top dollar at least $250.00 split between youse all, and ya schlmiels, get this all the Oly you can drink: right now we are in need of a Tribute to Babs Striesand (with female preferred heh heh for Babs), a Tribute to Ratt (must have the hair boy, gotta have the hair, or a dread weave), a Tribute to Forgotten 70s Soft Rock bands (practice your America or Seals and Croft schlock, grrls) and a Tribute to the Eagles (drinks like fish, wear yr cowboy boots and chant somethin' about whores ), a Tribute to Funk ( aw yeah pull out yr 'fros homies and shake yr boo-tay)
Posted by: FACW , SteveEDan: pass the antepasta
And the seat of learning
And the flush of success
Relieves a constipated mind
I'm like a gourmet in a skid row diner
A fitting menu for a dilettante
Posted by: , pp, sg es, ec PR, PQ
Posted by: SteveeDan, Paddling to Port HuenemeHey Baba Raj --
Life is a minestrone, served up with parmesan cheeze.
Death is a cold lasagne, suspended in deep freeze ...
Stevee(Le Grand Fromage)Dan
Posted by: Paolo, ItalyCiao Rajah,
GRAZIE MILLE!
(compliments for your italian)
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Ciao Paolo, dicono che il disco prossimo di Signor Fagen si vede in 2006,a qualque punto non si sappia(?) ma sappiamo che ce una canziona entitolato, " Orcidea nella piogga dell'estate," scrito con il nepoto di Carlos Jobim, Daniele.
Posted by: PGE, swedenNews department. File under "upcoming covers":
From the Zappa central The Idiot Bastard at http://www.idiotbastard.supanet.com/
"Nigey Lennon tells me: ìIím working on a solo CD, Ship In A Bottle, in the home studio, President Street. Iím not sure how long it will be before itís finished or, really, what its ultimate fate is going to be, but itís taken on its own life and I intend to keep working on it. Itís an album of sea songs...chanteys, originals, songs by other people (ie. Brian Wilsonís Sail On, Sailor and Becker/Fagenís Sail The Waterway). Iím in the earliest stages of the project, collecting and composing material, and undoubtedly the concept will to continue to expand as I become more familiar with the studio."
I liked what she did with Brain Tap Shuffle on Reinventing The Wheel released back in 2001.
Posted by: HeyMike, cut and pasteFROM: Susan Brecker
Dear Family and Friends,
My husband, Michael Brecker, has been diagnosed with MDS
(myelodysplastic syndrome), and its critical that he undergoes a stem
cell transplant. The initial search for a donor (including Michael's
siblings and children) has not yet resulted in a suitable match.
Michael's doctors have told us that we need to immediately explore ALL
possible options. This involves getting as many people of a similar
genetic background to be tested.
There are some important points to understand concerning this process:
1. The screening involves a blood test only. It can be done very
quickly either at a marrow donation center or at a LOCAL LAB. The cost
is anywhere from $40 to $75 and your insurance may cover it. (In NYC,
you can call Frazier, at the NY Blood Bank, at 212-570-3441, and make
an appointment for HLA typing. It costs $40.00.) Check with your
local blood bank, or go to http://www.marrow.org to find the donor
center nearest you.
2. Your blood typing information can be posted on the international
registry, if you choose, where it would also be available to others in
need of a transplant. BEING ON THE REGISTRY DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO
DONATE, it just means that you may be ASKED to do so. You can take your
name off the registry at any time.
3. Should you be selected as a potential donor for Michael, please
understand that there have been tremendous advances in bone marrow
transplants and the term itself can be misleading. Bone marrow
donation is no more invasive than giving blood. Stem cells are simply
harvested from your blood and then transplanted to Michael.
4. A match for Michael would be most likely to come from those of Eastern
European Jewish descent. If you or anyone you know are in this category
please make a special effort to immediately get tested. Ultimately, you
would be doing something not just for Michael, but for so many more who
are in a similar situation as my husband.
5. You are now part of our internet-based drive for donor testing. If
everyone who receives this can motivate a bunch of their friends to get
tested, and those friends then forward this email to get their friends
to get tested, we will have rapidly expanded the pool of potential
donors. I urge all of you to get tested AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
Any local blood center/Red Cross center can assist in organizing a
drive for Michael, although it would be desirable if you can get a
large group, e.g. a synagogue, to sponsor it. Should you have any
questions about this, please don't hesitate to get in touch with
Michael's management office at 212.302.9200 or info@michaelbrecker.com.
Thank you so much for your love and support.
We are so grateful.
Susan xo
____________________________________________________________________________
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______________________________________________________
Michael Brecker is 56 and an internationally renowned jazz musician. As
a result of his harmonic innovations, Michael is among the most studied
contemporary instrumentalists in music schools throughout the world
today. Michael has played on hundreds of albums with artists ranging
from Herbie Hancock to James Taylor, from Paul Simon to Frank Zappa to
Quincy Jones, Chet Baker and Bruce Springsteen---and on and on. As a
leader and co-leader of The Brecker Brothers (with Randy Brecker) and
Directions in Music (with Herbie Hancock and Roy Hargrove), Michael has
received 11 Grammy Awards ,more than any saxophonist, ever. For further
information, go to http://www.michaelbrecker.com
Posted by: HeyMike, jogging with sausage folk in the sandsaw this ..www.jazznews.com/modules.php?--search for Michael Brecker--played with our boys apparently..needs our help!
Posted by: Paolo, Italyhey there
...anybody has to share with a poor italian dude some rumours-news regarding the new DF album in the making? ;-)
ciao
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Texaco Mountainhttp://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/index.php?cat=1
Those who like to see some fresh Rickie Lee Jones pictures from her most recent tour, with courtesy from guitarist Teddy Kumpel....
Posted by: Geoff, StevieDan,
http://www.ajamusic.net/photos.htm
Bummer is no pictures of LWO, Danfiend, Earthbound, Chris, Alan, Gretchen, Matt, Rajah et.al. Some great Aja+Purdie shots though
Posted by: SteveeDan, LWO - Where are the Aja band Cincy photos? On their website ? Would love to check 'em out.
Posted by: Jean-Jaques, @ l'Hermitage2B - Wayne Krantz tonight at 55Bar and Chris Potter tomorrow:
http://www.55bar.com/
Posted by: hoops, Awesome pics! (Right on, LWO.)
Thanks for asking D.J. No, nothing planned in a Danfan way (that I am aware of) for the Chicago Jazzfest this year. Its coming up Labor Day weekend for those interested. I would put the URL up here but it is way long and cryptic...just go to http://www.cityofchicago.org and search for "Chicago Jazz Festival"
Speaking of Jazz and Chicago, my favorite place is the Jazz Showcase. Check out their site at http://www.jazzshowcase.com and their links page at http://www.jazzshowcase.com/links.html
Today's New York Times has an article about and interview with Michael Brecker. He talks about his illness and his music and the wonderful fans. I found it quite moving.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/18/arts/music/18brec.html
jim
Posted by: Little Wild One, the parlourCool photos from Cinci and The Thing I Love the Most about them are the smiles. Easy to see these folks L-U-V what they do.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Just a quickie, gotta run (to the bank !!! ... laughing)SteveL - - Thank you for the "thumbs up" message. Rajah gave me the skinny on your gig last month. Did you read my message both on your website and also here in the blue ? It's not about competition, it's about perpetuating the brotherhood, despite the obnoxious anons that can't fathom why we Steely Dan tribute bands would want to reach out to and inform Steely Dan fans about our gigs and other Dan-related stuff. But hey, that's horse racing ... and just plain horsing around.
Captain Cardiac - You should go consult Doctor Bi-Pass unless death is your goal ... anyway, you are cordually invited to check out the Pretzel Logic website at www.pretzellogicband.com where you can see a short video clip from our DVD. We also have a Photos page where you can see various Logicians performing. Here's a hint: I'm the keyboard player. Hope you enjoy the silly photos I put up there of me. Please let us know if our special brand of Klesmer-Dan spins your Yalmulka Dude !!!
Stevee(Shalom)Dan
Posted by: DJ, Shy-townhoops, any Steely related things going on for this years Jazzfest?
wonderin,
DJ
Posted by: ToeBee, NYC at the moment (else Germany)Hello there, big danfan from Germany here in NYC for a couple of days (until sept 1st). Does anyone of you guys know which club Don or Walt may be likely to appear, sessionwise? Or maybe one of their sidemen is gonna play here within the next two weeks, where they might join in?
Any other cool NYC tips for a danfan?
Thanks
ToeBee
Posted by: Captain Cardiac, Port HeunemeYo Steve, bet your Pretzel Logic crew don't have a promo shot anywhere near this good:
http://www.huenemebeachfest.org/entertainment.htm
That's why WE'RE the headliners Saturday night.
Eat your hearts out you Klesmer Wanna-Bees!!!!!
Steely Dan Tribute huh? Do you do, "Muskrat Love?"
Posted by: Rajah, "Well-mannered?" Yeah, that's me all over. See you in Hueneme, Steven, I'll be sporting traditional Chumash Indian garb, loin cloth and full body war paint. Gretchen is coming as Princess Tandaleo.
The Eliot Scheiner interview I found very revealing in light of the record that eventually became Everything Must Go. I think that album was recorded under some heavy duress, emotionally and financially. I'm not trying to make excuses here but considering all the crazy shit that was going down in NYC, the U.S and the western world around the recording of it, it's a small miracle it was even completed and released. The EMG record will remain a strange bird in perpetuity because of it. It should be more correctly viewed as the Steely Dan record which most closely offers a brief chronicle of a certain timeframe, a snapshot if you will, of an extremely scary chapter of American history. A strange, otherworldly and somewhat frightening time capsule of a dramatic paradigm shift in Western civilization as we knew it.
Posted by: Geoff, SteveL,
When is DVD release date? Can you do a widescreen HD-DVD or blu-ray version (!)
Geoff
Posted by: SteveL, CincyHi all. Steve here from the Aja band of the the Cincy Danfest. We have new pictures of the event posted on our site including shots of Hoops, Pete, Bway Steve, and others. Check 'em out at www.ajamusic.net
Steve
Posted by: SteveeDan, Beverly Hills, CaliforniaOh MY GOD ... WEBER !!!
Your "Quote" just TOTALLY made me SHIT !!!
Gosh, I hope I didn't get any on you ... after all, ...
you have such a magnetic personality.
Sometimes I wish it were as easy as merely being pompous.
But you can call me Mr. Teflon.
Again, thanks to all the well-mannered Dan-Fans out there for your support and understanding.
I'm looking forward to seeing some of you in Port Hueneme this Sunday.
I remain your ... SteveeDan
Posted by: Rajah, To each his own, just wondering, would the Dr. Hook & His Medicine Show Tribute be the first thing you checked out in our neck of the woods?
I'm thinkin this might be more your speed:
http://modoc.fws.gov/upcoming.htm
Have a great time.
Posted by: Quote This!, Steevee"Steevedan, If I took a trip to California, the last thing I would want to do is see you and your band. You're a pompous ass"- Weber 4/11/05
Posted by: SteveeDan, In search of Sleeping Pills ... and coming up empty !"SteveeDan, I think I would nearly take a trip to California just to see you and one of your bands. Keep it up !" Arouet ñ 8/12/05:
Thank you Arouet. We are doing just that. This Sunday (August 21st) we are playing at the Port Hueneme Festival (obviously in Port Hueneme, roughly 45 miles north of Malibu). It's a 3 hour gig, and we've got 31 songs slated for the performance. The stage is overlooking the ocean. It will be beautiful and a very fun gig to play. Two weeks later we're back at another beach festival at Hermosa Beach on Sunday September 4th. This will be our 6th time performing there. I guess they like us. And we like them too.
And we're at La Ve Lee in Studio City, California on Thursday night September 1st. It's been a busy Summer season, and we keep on going. It's been tremendous fun for us. On behalf of Pretzel Logic I want to send out my heartfelt appreciation to all the support we have received. Now if only we could afford to send you all plane tickets and hotel vouchers. You'll all have to foot your own alcohol budget though. We just can't handle that ...
"Boredom is breeding mass tedium - anyone got a new Tribute band that we can all glom on to? Really, Tribute bands to a band that doesn't even respect its' own legacy - how ironic...but then, the Dan is all about irony, right? " Q ñ 8/14/05
Q ñ Stomp out boredom and pump up the irony I always say.
Rajah ñ Very interesting article about the ever-shrinking recording budget and back-end income potential. Very sad. There are some top quality multi-talented renaissance men out there, but, to rely on a steady flow of people of this caliber to stoke the hit-making machinery is pure folly. There will always be a need for specialists: writers, arrangers, producers, musicians, engineers, and support staffers to all of the aforementioned. It just sounds like a new chapter in a very old book on the subject of the profitability of the recording industry and how the industry keeps it's largest piece of the pie.
I was intrigued to see John Shanks mentioned as one of those multi-capable guys. I remember John back in high school. He played guitar in the popular band at the time (late 1970ís) which had a sax player who is now known as Bony James. Shanks is most recently responsible for Ashley Simpson's success. He has worked with many big name acts including Melissa Etheridge and Sheryl Crow.
Jeepers Creepers ... Lay off the Peep(er)s !!!
SteveeDan
Posted by: Manny V., Pacoima Ca.I do enjoy this band but some here seem very lost, Ram Das is known to prefer young boys, get it perversion. period.
Rajah must you go on and on and on..chico it's like a sad riddle.
Posted by: Ram Dass, resistance @ 8 OhmmmmsAnd I would genuinely be liking to be giving to you this link, Walter's new recording, All One, for Krishna Das.
Let peace be in your hearts, dear Dandom, until that glorious day when all will be one:
http://www.krishnadas.com/flashindex.htm
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I came across this just now, it's a little long but I found it interesting, hope you might as well.
Copyright 2005 VNU Business Media, Inc.
All Rights Reserved
Billboard
August 13, 2005
SECTION: COVER STORIES; Articles
LENGTH: 1355 words
HEADLINE: The Men Behind The Boards
SOURCE: Print
BYLINE: SUSAN BUTLER
HIGHLIGHT:
Top Producers Sound Off About Their Business
BODY:
Not so long ago, producers and engineers at the top of their game showed up
to work at grand studios, spending most of their time behind massive soundboards
recording, editing and mixing music. They devoted their attention to finding the
right combination of sounds to help artists strike an emotional chord with
listeners.
But that all changed Sept. 11, 2001, when the terrorist attacks on the World
Trade Center and elsewhere reshaped their business.
"The economy spiraled out of control after 9-11," Grammy Award-winning
producer/engineer Elliot Scheiner says. "A lot of New York work was canceled,
but so was work in L.A. A lot of people didn't go into the studios,
[unauthorized] file sharing started to pick up enormously, and huge layoffs in
the industry followed."
In the ensuing years, a new reality set in for producers and engineers. It
has been particularly apparent to those like Scheiner, who wears both hats.
Recording budgets were cut, and a significant amount of the work shifted from
professional rooms to home studios, where engineers are expected to furnish
their own pro-quality gear.
Moreover, the business terms for many producers and engineers changed,
sometimes reducing their income. This often means they work longer hours and
juggle more projects.
At the same time, producers are facing a new pressure to bring more to the
table.
"When you produce an album now, a lot of labels, artists and managers expect
that you're able to write a hit," says Ed Cherney, another Grammy-winning
producer/engineer, known for his work with such acts as Bonnie Raitt, Eric
Clapton, the Rolling Stones and Dave Matthews Band.
"John Shanks is a classic example. He can write the album, play on it,
produce it and arrange it," Cherney says. "Before, all those things were split
up between people. Now the business model seems to be that you need to do all
those things to be really successful."
Rose Mann-Cherney, president of the Record Plant in Los Angeles, has been a
friend to many producers and engineers for more than 25 years. She estimates
that 60% of the producers who currently record at the Record Plant are
songwriters. When their recording budgets permit, she says, they book multiple
rooms at the studio--one for writing and one for recording.
But today's recording budgets generally do not provide such a luxury. The
producers interviewed for this story estimate that budgets have been reduced by
25%-35% in recent years.
Scheiner says labels are cutting budgets largely by saving on studio time.
This means producer/engineers must record in home studios--and provide all of
their own technical support.
"If you're just paying me and not paying $2,000-$2,500 per day for a studio,
that absolutely cuts down on the price," Cherney says. "Now you basically have
to show up with all the tools. If you don't, you're a dinosaur."
Cherney says there is a positive side to working from home, such as the
availability of the studio when the engineer wants to use it and being able to
call up the recording where it was left the day before since others are not
using the room.
"You pay in quality a little, but you find new tools. It's the nut behind the
wheel--the guy that's driving--that's important."
Even with a home studio, Scheiner says budget cuts also mean longer hours.
"There is no way you can go into a studio and work at the normal pace--a song a
day," he says. "Now you work longer hours, 12-14 per day. You have to work that
much more so you can still make money."
Mann-Cherney says that at the Record Plant, she has seen producers working on
multiple projects at the same time.
These working conditions eventually take their toll, says Zoe Thrall,
director of the new studio at the Palms Hotel in Las Vegas and formerly GM of
the Hit Factory and president/GM of Power Station and Avatar Studios.
Unlike rookie producer/engineers, she notes, veterans like Scheiner, who has
worked with hit acts ranging from the Eagles to the Foo Fighters, and Cherney
have years of experience and know what they need to do to create a special
sound. "They can work in a garage under battle conditions," she says.
"But now they have no tech, no assistant engineer to do backups or to do
whatever it takes to give them a break when they're in a recording studio. Who
is patching and setting up the outboard equipment?"
There are some producer/engineers who have managed to thrive without home
studios. Al Schmitt, who has 17 Grammys adorning his shelves, does not have one
because he specializes in acoustic, big-band sounds.
"With the kind of work I do--big bands, horn sections or big string
sections--I need rooms that have great sounds in them, like those at Capitol,
Avatar and Right Track. I just need that kind of air and openness, because the
better the room sounds, the better the recording is going to sound," Schmitt
says.
Yet Schmitt admits that he has lost work by not having a home studio. "When
you go in to make your deal, they want you to make a deal similar to the one
made by someone who has his own studio--someone who can do vocal overdubs,
guitar overdubs, keyboards, mixing and all--for practically nothing."
For those who engineer and produce, the deal structures have also changed in
the past few years.
Typically, deals have been set up so that a producer receives a fee and a
royalty (a given percentage--or "points"--for each record sold). How much of
that fee becomes recoupable from future producer royalties depends on the
producer's clout and negotiating prowess. The royalties are generally not paid,
however, until the label recoups at least all recording costs from the artist,
and sometimes other costs.
Engineers generally receive a nonrecoupable fee.
Schmitt says that producer/engineers are seeing a shift in the split in their
fees. "Say you were getting $20,000 for engineering and $10,000 for
production," he says. "They try to make the deal the other way around--$10,000
for engineering and $20,000 for producing so they can recoup more for
production."
But with the general downturn in sales, it has become harder than ever for
artists to recoup, which means that producer/engineers are not receiving
royalties.
"I think we're living in a time now when a point is basically worthless. I
know a lot of people that work on CDs and never see royalties because the
artists just don't recoup," Cherney says.
Thrall adds, "I can't think of any producer that's made anything on the back
end. It almost makes sense to just ask for larger front end and then call it a
day. Maybe have the points there, but not expect much for it."
Aside from the deals, these veterans and others express concern over the way
many labels treat recording professionals today.
They say most labels rarely pay in a timely fashion and do not consistently
send royalty statements to producers.
Scheiner adds that he knows engineers who were hired by majors to work on,
for example, 10 tracks. "After turning in the mixes, the A&R guy says he only
likes five tracks and refuses to pay for the rest. It's not like we're doing
demos," Scheiner says.
Thrall gasps when she hears about this. "The unfortunate thing is that the
record companies don't understand what these guys do anymore," she says.
"All the classic A&R guys--Gary Gersh, John Kalodner--would come to the
studio at least a couple times per week checking in, asking about the process.
That dropped off in the mid-'90s. Now it's very rare when an A&R guy comes to
the studio."
Some producers complain that labels are not developing artists for long-term
careers anymore. Scheiner agrees, saying that this can seriously affect
producers, too.
Scheiner says that he still receives royalties for producing albums by such
acts as Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Steely Dan, Bruce Hornsby and Fleetwood
Mac.
"Maybe only 30%-40% of [current] artists will have a catalog 20 years from
now," Scheiner says. "Many companies are in trouble since they won't have a
catalog."
That also means trouble for producers, who will not be able to count on
catalog royalties in years to come. ****
LOAD-DATE: August 10, 2005
Posted by: Bowling 4 Benny, ...Well, me thinks it's best not to assume anything these days, not even to label "this generation" because whoever we think we are, because of our age or anything, we can't speak on behalf of "this generation" or judge them. Based on what I wonder?
There are enough young ones out there discovering music from previous generations exactly the way we did. Because our parents, uncles, aunts and other relatives and friends listened to it, because we heard it on the radio or in some other way got interested in it.
Each universe is as relative as the next one.
Curious about something else. Who knows for a fact that Christopher Walken, who is now gonna run for president, likes Steely Dan? Is there any info on the net availabe on that, a link to an interview perhaps? Thanks.
Posted by: Rajah, Alkali - you'd be surprised, there are some exceptional young people out there, I thinh ph may be one of them...
Posted by: Alkali, NYCPH: Try "Decoy" they'll understand it alot more easily.
i think going back pre 80'Miles is lost on this generation, it's much to complicated for todays youth.
Darrel "The Munch" Jones now there's a Funked Up Bassist!
Peace
A
Posted by: ph, I tried Bitches Brew and Miles in Montreux a coupla weeks ago, they hated them of course. But what the hell do I care? They're paying me half what I'm worth.
I don't have Sketches of Spain...better go pick that up.
Posted by: Rajah, They'll L-O-V-E Sketches of Spain then. You go boyfriend. Now don't forget to jump back a bit to Miles' Bee-Bop era stuff. That'll really confuse 'em. Eric Dolphy, Alfred Lyman, let yer freak flag fly.
Hey, as long as you know you're livin yours or as James Brown might say,
That's the way I like it,
that's the way it is.
I got mine,
ain't worryin 'bout his.
Posted by: YGK, -Now bring in Miles' Bitches Brew, and crank it way up.....
and then tell 'em the cut is only about 20 minutes long......
ygk
Posted by: Ann, BorneoCheer up Paul!! Dare to be different! Our culture progesses because of people who are brave enough to do that!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAll their taste is OBVIOUSLY in their mouths. LOL
Posted by: ph, I'm playing Miles Davis' Kind of Blue at work this morning and after about 4 minutes into "So What", I get: "What the hell is that?? How old are you anyway!?" And then they called it elevator music and turned on Metallica from a neighboring computer. Uncultured bastards.
Posted by: Sigmund Frueg, missink miene mommyYah, miene zentiments ezzzacktly...let them all suffer.
Posted by: Josey, BirminghamFACW - I was sold on Kinky Friedman once I heard his take on gay marriage which is: "they (the gays) have every right to be as miserable as the rest of us!"
Posted by: ph, I have just acquired a video of the 2003 Pine Knob concert, and wowee! Those guys/gals are awesome live. I wasn't a danfan in '03 and even if i had, the closest the tour got to my hometown was 300 miles away, so I have never seen the Dan live. This video is absolutely spectacular, and I've only watched like the first 4 songs. Here's what I've noticed most blatently, Fagen seems to do fine on the post-Nightfly songs, but during the old 70s stuff, he gives the impression of someone singing along in the car (especially on TOOM). He can't sing like he used to. I've read this dicussion here before, so I'm not going to ramble too much, but it is kind of funny that a 18-year-old's favorite band's lead vocalist is told old to sing worth crap anymore. The babe-choir is better than he is, and they're supposed to back the lead up, not show him up. Anyway, still an amazing performance, I hope Donald tours for his album next year, because I'ld be willing to drive to Chicago for it this time.
"Haitian Divorce" sung by Walter == BLISS.
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago, Illinoishttp://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory.asp_Q_storyid_E_413steelydan
wacky news of the day!
Posted by: sandra dee, hidey-holeFunny I was listening to True Companion for the hundredth time (ahhh) and flashed to a Pat Methany passage....can't remember the album but it has a very similar thread to it in the instrumental part...wierd...I can't remember what I did yesterday, but the music can turn me into Mrs. Instant Recall!
So now I must go see Telegraph Hill again for the SD song! (any excuse to see it again...loooooved it! 'Penguins' too!)
End of non-tangential babble.
Yours in The Year of Our Dan,
Sandra Dee
Posted by: Rajah, no hesitationTexas needs him.
Posted by: FACW , Semi-Mojo Once in a blue moon, there comes a candidate who's not been raised from the bottle to be in office or who has not been practicing game-show host answers for years. A Steely Dan/Hunter S. Thompson kinda guy. We have one such creature rising from the ooze of Texas mud-slinging with a pasted-on smile politics. Someone REALLY KINKY. "Why the Hell Not?" Kinky Friedman asks us of his candidacy for Governor of Texas in 2006.
Our current mansion resident Rick Perry makes W's one and a half terms look like FDRs Presidence. He offers a bill, the legislature literally runs and hides in Oklahoma and New Mexico. He ran the dirtiest campaign I ever saw bludgeoning Latino businessman Tony Sanchez in 2002.
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/whynot/
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/news/detail.php?id=87
Outtre Kinky. It's growing
Willie and Steely Dan are the right concert recipe for a potential really Kinky inauguration.
Bring out the Walt-dog and head to the putting green with Willie Nelson:
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/blog/2005/08/invitation-from-willie-nelson.php
"...who's this Kinky so and so, Papa Go..."
Posted by: Ann</a><a href=http://flower.takebest.com/>J., ParisI was surfing on the Internet and came across your site. It is really excellent! A lot of videos. I enjoyed watching them. Thanks!
Posted by: Harry Haller, mplsSometimes, orange water gibbon water in plastic. *\Monte Python\*
Posted by: ph, stompin' on the avenueThey really played Kid C at the inauguration? That's pretty funny, actually. Which reminds me... I was digging through SteelyDan.com this weekend and found some pretty cool/funny stuff in the tour archives, including a letter to Clinton asking him to play with the band: http://steelydan.com/tourcentral.html . Worth a look at. I'm sure everyone here already has....
Brooker: STOP YELLING PLEASE!
Posted by: Geoff, All this presidential nattering reminds me of Bill Clinton's first inauguration, when they played Kid C.
I see Bill just released a CD, with Miles and Coltrane covers among other stuff. so in true Blue/Yellow book tradition, my ideal Bill Clinton band would be:
Bill, Donald (Saxophones)
Pugh, Leonhart, (usual seats)
Walter Becker Bass
Ricky Lawson (drums)
Posted by: Brooker Little, NYC,NYDEAR "HOOPS", ET AL.:
LISTEN TO KEITH JARRETT'S "AS LONG AS YOU KNOW YOU'RE LIVING YOURS" AND COMPARE IT TO SD'S "GAUCHO".
BESIDE A SIMILARITY IN GROOVE AND KEY THEY HAVE NOTHING MUCH ELSE IN COMMON.
THE MELODY, HARMONY AND LYRICS (THERE ARE NONE IN JARRETT'S TUNE) TO "GAUCHO" ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
WHY DOES HE/SHOULD HE REALLY RECEIVE PARTIAL WRITING CREDITS?????????
Posted by: Alkali, NYCChristopher Walken for president???
thats almost as bad as John Skerry or Hitlarry Clinton for president.
AAAHHH!!!
"tolerant global society" is the operative term here.
Walken should stick to acting.
by the way,dare i say it,Palmer's version of "Brooklyn" is better than Fagen's.
Peace
A
Posted by: p, nycIsn't he a Steely Dan fan?
YGK- Not that I know of.
Posted by: YGK, -Isn't he a Steely Dan fan?
or do I just want to hear him introduce the band at the Inauguration?
King of the World?
http://www.walkenforpres.com/
ygk
Posted by: Alkali, NYCA Steely Dan moment
Saw a movie named ìLaurel Canyonî on the weekend.
In the opening scene a young doctor (Christian Bale) and his fiancÈ played by a very tasty (Kate Beckensale) drive up to Laurel Canyon to spend time with his mother (Frances McDormond) a successful record producer. As the two walk into the house they see his mother and friends sitting around smoking pot and listening to ìDo it againî
The scene is fairly long so the song is allowed to play almost through the entire solos.
I donít think Becker and Fagen are what you would call virtuoso musicians.
Their strength is in writing not playing. (Just as Hendrix strength was in playing not writing and god knows not singing!)
But, they surround themselves with fairly accomplished musicians i.e. Khan, Parks, Carlton, Gadd, Porcaro etc.
And what they do play themselves is good enough for them and good enough for me.
My two favorite solos by the dynamic duo are Becker ìHome at lastî & Fagen ìFire in the holeî
HOOPS: That's tellin' em!
Peace
A
Posted by: Ann, BorneoNo problem!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAnn:
Can I second that please?
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHoops:
I don't have a problem with anything you do with postings that appear under pathetic psuedonyms/email addresses. Your postings criteria have always been very fair and supportive for legitimate posters.
Ann
Posted by: hoops, I don't even actually have a policy that we can't discuss bootlegs and unissued recordings--they are there...I've said that from the first week of this place. And in fact, even record companies consult with the fans who know the bootlegs. And in fact, Paul C's item didn't even offer the boots. What I do mind--and leaves me liable--is when the blue is used to tell people how to get boots, etc. That wasn't exactly offered per se...but there are some other things that I felt we should consider in good karma to the band. (to be continued in a few...)
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI'm cool with it. If Hoops doesn't like bootleg talk on his site, that's his call. If Q has issues with his post getting edited, he knows where to find Hoops.
Posted by: hoops, Oh? "Unreal!", Polly, etc, No need to fret. You have a problem with some missing posts or something so please contact me. Love to hear from you as noted on the posting page if you have a problem with the post or deletion. If your post gets lost or if I want to suggest you rethink your post, I open to discussing it as I can be wrong. But as written on the posting page, the ball is in your court to email me if you don't leave a valid email where I can discuss it. I'm all ears to having this cleared up, unless of course, your disease is to be splineless and hide behind an anon email. But please don't post or gossip to others that I am being a bastard for taking down a post (which I do a lot less than St Al and some other places) when you don't let me know. I'll bend over backwards to discuss.
jim
Posted by: Clas @ Work, Jolie, Ill
Midwest disease? Yeah, when you put it that way, NYBill did the same thing when he hosted his flash in the pan Steely Dan and Beyond-Guestbook. He's also from the midwest.
Posted by: Polly, Paia MauiSaw the Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill tonight at the Castle Theater with Franny.
Just loved the part where that parrot Mingus was dancing to Dr. Wu. while his owner played it on his guitar.
Polly
Yeah hoops does have a bad case of erasure madness. They have a lot of that dis-ease in the Midwest. I think they get it from the cattle or other farm animals.
Posted by: Unreal!, hoops- Do you actually take peoples posts and delete the things you don't want said? That's what you did today and I've you do it many times before. It's one thing to take posts down, but it's another thing to manipulate what people want to say. It's just not right and a very fucked up thing to do. Do you do the same thing when fans post to the digest? What a shame about you!
Posted by: Leo McPartland, Chicago
Just wanted to say this is a really great site you have here.
Leo McPartland
SP Associate
Posted by: hoops, Oh Dear!
There was a terrible system accident and some of the posts are missing. I'm sure we'll carry on.
Have a nice day!
jim
Posted by: TIME FLYES, Guys, apropos Aja, I became sad the other day when I suddenly realized the cover-model must be in her 60's now.
And I am hairless and 50.
Lifes a bitch.
Gimme a Xanax, the size of a hockeypuck.
//C
Posted by: ph, Picked me up some boots. I'm much liking Walter in the 96 "Jack of Speed". He really should sing more, here's my list of songs that I would like to hear him sing (and I know some of them he already does):
Dirty Work
Midnight Cruiser
Brooklyn (hmm... and Fagen doesn't even do those three...)
Razor Boy
Any Major Dude
With A Gun
Monkey In Your Soul
Rose Darling
Everyone's Gone to the Movies
Throw Back the Little Ones
Haitian Divorce
Everything You Did
Cousin Dupree
I don't even want him to touch the Aja album! :)
Posted by: Q, TPAHassan - you sound like you think you were in the studio and should have had mooore say over Sir Walter...
Boredom is breeding mass tedium - anyone got a new Tribute band that we can all glom on to? Really, Tribute bands to a band that doesn't even respect its' own legacy - how ironic...but then, the Dan is all about irony, right.
DF - hurry up ! Stay out of the bathroom! Go on Tour! Get lucky twice, wouldn't it be nice?????
Posted by: Clas @ the daily work, Paul C - if what you're saying is true, I get a bit worried about Beckers role in the Dan. What I hear these days is Fagen writes the songs, Fagen this, Fagen that, Fagen is the rehearsal director...etc etc... and why did you choose the handle "Paul Carrack"?
hassan - sad thing with Wadenius is: he's not a funny player when doing his solo-gigs. I guess it's easy to shine when playing over the great Stely Dan chord progressions.
//C
Posted by: Chrysler, addendum, PAYeah, "Snowbound" and all over Kamakiriad, too. And all those crazy, acid-dripping slash chords on 11ToW!
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PANah, Hassan, you got Our Man Walter pegged all wrong. Black Friday, Bad Sneakers, FM, IGTN, Home At Last, Josie are all KILLER guitar solos, whadda you talkin' about.
W's playing on 2vN may be a tad mannered, but it's a GREAT manner, IMHO.And he outdoes himself all over EMG, come off it. Incisive, strong, and cleanly articulated-- Grant Green reborn as a Chicago bluesman, retaining the jazz sensibility. EXCEPTIONALLY powerful playing. "Tame" and "primitive" my ass.
Posted by: FACW , Walter's greatest guitar solo hits:
Pretzel Logic
Black Friday
Bad Sneakers
Everything You Did (could be Carlton, but I'm goin' with Walter)
Aja (middle third of the solo bookended by Dias)
Home at Last
I Got the News
Josie
F[freakin']M !!!!
Gaucho
Snowbound
Junkie Girl
What a Shame About Me
West of Hollywood
Greenbook (duel with Donald synth)
Posted by: LUCIANO BERIO, ROME, ITALYDONALD'S FUNNY VOCAL MISTAKES THAT THEY LEFT IN "RIKKI ...":
ACTUAL WRITTEN LINE: "I GUESS YOU KIND OF SCARED YOURSELF..."
WHAT DONALD ACTUALLY SANG: "I GUESSED YOU COULD'VE SCARED YOURSELF"
FROM THE LIVE DVD "PLUSH" CONCERT TAPING IN "BAD SNEAKERS":
ACTUAL WRITTEN LINE: "...AND THAT FEARSOME EXCAVATION .."
WHAT DONALD ACTUALLY SANG: "...AND THAT FEARSCOME EXCAVATION..."
Posted by: hassan, .........yeah Ritenour's smooth jass stuff (really I haven't listened to him in years) can be a bit bland perhaps but as Maestro might have the Waltster play say All the things you Are or Ornithology instead of curtis mayfield riffs...or Jobim (Rit. plays Jobim don't he) : as I age, I think Jobim was sort of underrated as a composer, and tho some of his music is thought of as elevator-like, much of it is quite subtle and exotic (Corcovado). Dan does Jobim would be interesting: r & B is so limited and predicable. I'd rather hear the schmaltziest Ellington or Kenton tracks rather than motown bubblegum bump n grind...
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfAh, yes, Lee Ritenour -- that guy's a wild man!
Posted by: hassan, your second worst nightmareRe: Becker
An essential ingredient of the Dan potpourri, yes, and I don't think his bass playing is that poor on the early records, but what about his six-string work on 2AN and EMG? I wager many Danoids enjoy if not crave the guitar work of the early Dan, from Dias on Bodhisattva, to Randall on "Reelin" to Carlton on Royal Scam (hate to say it but the Skunkster's blues-R&B pickin' was overrated).
Let's put it this way: Walt may have a few tasty blues licks, but he's not Carlton nor Dias nor Parks nor Randall, nor does he match that nordic mystery shredder Wadenius who plays some of the wickedest solos ever witnessed on Dan product on Live In America--really "cuts" Carlton on the live Kid Charlemagne. Becker on 2AN is alright, competent, but it's generally blues with a few little chromatic riffs; but guitar chromatica ala Dias or Carlton (Dias still the jazziest of the Dan 6 string freaks) or Wadenius' hot, precise playing is missed. Herrington or Grayson play some decent understated riffs sometimes, but I wager many older afficionadoes miss the electric bombast, that 16th note Tal Farlow-y lead ala Dias or Carlton's BB King meets Miles Davis horn-like solos.
Becker on EMG is again competent; The Last Mall, with that new Dan blues-jazz groove moves alright (the lyrics are way cool), but compared to any number of cuts from Royal Scam the 6-stringin' seems sort of minimal and empty (has any other Dan sixstring work matched the brilliant phased solo at the end of Haitian Divorce? Parks or Carlton, not sure). Weiskopf's tenor playing works if a bit sweet; the solos on Green Book are interesting; Fagens' distorted farfisa synth vs. Walts R & B-jazz-lite work, yet, and I don't mean to insult Walt B., the great gonzo leader of Danopolis, the guitar is too tame and primitive. Mr. Becker maybe could use some lessons from Dias or Ritenour or something.
Posted by: Oh yes..., Yes, of course Meter Maid MU. I beg for forgiveness.
//C
Posted by: Still Sparkin', HK
I think Walter deserves credit for laying down some funky bass lines on Kamakiriad.
The first three tracks especially....but as I think about it, I like the bass playing over the entire album.
I think Springtime is built around the bass line.
And after many, many listenings...I'm a keen fan of the bass on Florida Room.
Don't know how some other player would have interpreted it, but I think Walt is COOKIN' on Kama.
Posted by: Clas, Alkali - oh JASON Browne, darn!
Well, can't seem to make it anyway.
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountainhttp://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5net/index.php
Drummer percussionist Matt Kilmer replied to an email about the Krisna Das project.
You can click the link above for the item and some more info on Matt.
Other wise:
Matt Kilmer: "Working on the KD album with Walter Becker was alot of fun. Walter was very easy going and extremely professional. At the time I did the recording, I was also working with Lauryn Hill in the studio in NYC and I had some questions about the business that Walter was very helpful in answering. Along with producing the KD album, he also played bass and as you may already know, he is one of the most solid bass players out there. The whole recording process took place over three days at Avatar studios on 53rd street. It was a great experience and I hope to cross paths again with Walter in the future.î
Posted by: moray eel, blueI always thought of Rikki as Steely Dan's "Dear Prudence".
Here are some of my thoughts:
Innocent girl from the east coast comes out to California to see what her old acquaintances are up to. They show her around the west coast party scene and they sample some intoxicants.
She scares herself. Does she sample too much? Does he makes a move and does she let it advance too far?
Anyway, she gets nervous and decides to head back to the east coast. Before she leaves, he tells her that it's okay and he gives her a number (special cig) and tells her to mail it to herself instead of taking it on the plane.
I know that in a least one interview they have claimed not to have known that in common slang "number = pot". I find that extremely hard to believe. Any band that was touring the US in the 70's must have known what a "number" was.
Posted by: Dirk Deeply, atascadare-OAlkali, say it ain't so--you are not just GOP material, but Log Cabin--u go grrl. So like along with the dan boyz you also dig george michaels or the village people ? and puleeeze don't bother with that dreadful hippie square pot-stuff.... go right for the amyls sugahhh.....
sing it Alkali and the Dan grrls....... Y ...M ...C... A
Posted by: Rajah, for my babyI donít remember what day it was
I didnít notice what time it was
All I know is that I fell in love with you
And if all my dreams come true
Iíll be spending time with you
Every dayís a new day in love with you
With each day comes a new way of loving you
Every time I kiss your lips my mind starts to wander...
And if all my dreams come true
Iíll be spending time with you
Oh I love you more today than yesterday
But not as much as tomorrow
Oh I love you more today than yesterday
But darling not as much as tomorrow
Tommorrow makes each springtime just a day away
Cupid we donít need you now be on your way
I thank the lord for love like ours that grows ever stronger
And I always will be true
Iíll be spending time with you
Oh I love you more today than yesterday
But not as much as tomorrow
Oh I love you more today than yesterday
But darling not as much as tomorrow
Every dayís a new day, every time I love ya
Every timeís a new way, every time I love ya...
Very dayís a new day, every time I love ya
Every timeís a new way, every time I love ya...
Every time I love ya...
Posted by: hoops, The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering August 6-12, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
ó Michael Brecker Seriously Ill, Needs Your Help
ó Chanting etc.
ó What 'Bodhisattva' is 'ridiculing'
ó"Walter, Yoga and You"
ó re: Walter Becker Trivia Question
ó I thought I heard everything about "Rikki"
ó REDUX: Latest activity from Becker and Fagen
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official steelydan.com or Official donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
jim
Posted by: Claus I do think Fagens fish lips go both ways, Sunny ArubaIt seems to be such a giant surprise to some.
Oh the fascination with copulation.
Freud
Posted by: Dearest Alkali,, 48th and Howard
Don't you know half of gay men are fathers?
Wondering why you would bother to sit around and ponder others sexual orientation unless you have too much time on your hands.
Dr. Westheimer
Posted by: hoops, Another link on Rikki but with a George Carlin twist--excellent response to the GC comments about "yuppies' listening to SD.
http://www.giganticmag.com/old/features/000007.php
Posted by: hoops, Here's Rikki Ducornet's take on "Rikki."
http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2000-01-06/ispy2.html
Posted by: It Must Be Friday, You wouldn't know a Diamond if you held it in your hand...BUT...
Take IT
In your hand
All the sirens
And the band
Yes dear
How did you know
Can't you see our love will GROW
Posted by: hoops, What "Rikki" is all about is one of those FAQs around the Greater Dandom, usually debated between whether it is about a woman named "Rikki" (some argue Paul Shaffer's sister), a joint or Rick Derringer. It's been discussed enough that some people scoff when it *is* discussed further.
Personally, I've always took it to be about the guy trying to pick a woman named Rikki at a bar, perhaps in part because of that sleeve for the single where it shows a woman thigh-down, stuffing a slip of paper with a number on it into the top of her stocking or garter. I think the photo is also shown in the "Citizen Steely Dan" box's booklet. Who says it was Our Favorite Duo that selected that 45's artwork any ways? Could be, maybe not.
I never before thought of the homosexual encounter angle. I dismissed it a couple of hours ago when someone first posted it, but, on after more thought, I considered the possibility, and, after checking out the lyrics again at SD.com, I have to say that take does fit pretty well. And, perhaps stretching this a bit, who says that leg is on a woman or man in a dress? It could be a transvestite or some gender bender along that lines. Or maybe not.
The verses support this theory a lot more than the refrain. At least the verses aren't necessarily what I think of as romancing and smooving a woman.
First verse, someone's leaving after a wild time had just begun, like they got cold feet. What kinda wild time? Well up to your imagination to some extent at least.
Second verse, the character singing talks about some other friendóa "he"ówho's in town. I dunnoówhy "Slow Hand Row?" And what kinda games will they play? Sounds like a mÈnage ý trois with at least two guys and woman, assuming the character DF is portraying is a guy too.
But then what is interesting in support of this, is the lyrics during the bridge. I always I had pictured this as an obsessive guy talking to a woman from whom he refused to accept rejection. I thought for years that Donald sang, "You don't even know you're mine" (along the lines of the obsessive character in the later Doob's hit, "What a Fool Believes"). But I noticed after a couple of decades that the line was "You don't even know your mind." Still never thought much about it with the corrected words, until now: Sounds like the bridge could work as the character sing the song is talking about Rikki as a closeted gay who is in denial.
Of course, we all know it's an SD trademark to fly under the radar of the general public with ambiguity.
Would I say "Rikki" is definitively about a closeted gay getting cold feet and backing out of a gay sex scene? No, but indeed it does work really well as one interpretation just like "Fire In the Hole" works great as being about serving a woman and also as serving one's country such as serving in the US Army during the Viet Nam era. And of course, I'm sure D + W love that sorta ambiguity.
Wow!
jim
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAlkali:
Yep, you sure DO got the news.
IMHO, obviously.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Ms. Carolyn, when on earth are you ever going to come out here to your fans on the Left Coast and regale us with your calliopian and terpsichorian spendiferousness? Huh? When???
Best believe we all await you guys out here, you have been delightful backing those two curmudgeons for lo these many years, adding some desparately needed beautification on that bandstand. Your bosses are brilliant but two singularly fuh-fuh-fuhgly gentlemen.
What you did on "Pixeleen" was awesome, that's right up there with their very best songs and it was a cryin shame you guys didn't do it for us on tour.
Break a leg at the Jazz Gallery, all the best and maybe somebody around here will shoot us out a little review.
Posted by: Rare Millionaire, in my LarkAlkali - yes, you got the news.
Posted by: FACW, Raj: Walter is the bite the attitude, the Factor X, the fuse on the booster rocket of Steely-dom
Alkali: Yeah, but it's cultural. "Just like you can tell if the person on the other end of the phone is black or white. Not that it matters"
If i ask you to distiguish on the phone between a white and black Englishman or white and black Sudanese...it would be very difficult if not impossible.
Arouet: Yes, Lowdown is one of the best grooves on guitar and bass ever laid down. As fresh today as in 1976. It a perfect example of a killer groove and fill simultaneously. Check out the groove to Miss Sun - a variation of the Porcaro shuffle on Gaucho. It actually sounds a LOT like the groove on that short snippet of 2nd Arrangement floating around. Not the long one - that's the attempted remake with WENDEL-ized Gadd track. In a better world, Boz would have continued to record in the 80s with Toto as the ultimate back-up band, the way the good Lord intended...
C: Wrong backyard...Rikki was one of Fagen's old girlfriends.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCGay? Bisexual? The Dan??
Given the fact that theyíre both married, me thinks. And that at least one of them has
Fathered children. (That we or they know of)
I donít give much credence to that rumor or intimation.
I prefer to think of them as Pansexual rather than Bi or Homo in the sense that they are worldly and sophisticated enough to understand and/or sympathize with alternative lifestyles. Assuming, of course that any of their words deal with those issues.
Or whatever.
Hereís some food for thought, ìI got the newsî
Are they saying what I think theyíre saying? ìÖYea, you got the muscle/I got the newsî
Muscle could be implying the male ìmuscleî and News could easily be mistaken or misheard as ìnooseî as in the female lasso.
ìSpanish Kissiní/see it glistenî now, as I see it a Spanish kiss is like a French kiss but, further south.
Anybody with me or do I just have an over active imagination?
Or whatever.
CLAS: that's Jason Brown.
Have a great weekend fellow Danions!
Peace
A
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and gone...,
August 13th, 290 Hudson Street?
Hm, I can see on the list the Jackson Browne's playing the drums... hmmm... but no, sorry, can't make it.
Posted by: Carolyn Leonhart.com, Hi all,
First, thank you to everyone who made it out to The Jazz Standard on August 1st.
We had a great night and I really appreciate that so many of you came out!
I am very happy to be making my debut performance at
The Jazz Gallery tomorrow night as a guest vocalist with
The Wayne Escoffery Group
Saturday August 13th
at
THE JAZZ GALLERY
Wayne Escoffery - tenor saxophone
Toru Dodo - piano
Dwayne Burno - bass
Jason Brown - drums
Carolyn Leonhart - vocals
SETS AT 9 & 10:30 PM
290 Hudson Street (between Spring and Dominick Streets), NYC
Closest trains: C/E to Spring Street; 1/9 to Houston Street
TEL. 212.242.1063
On Sunday evening I will also be at
SMOKE
The Sunday Vocalist Series
sets at 6:30 and 7:45 pm
2751 Broadway at West 106 Street
TEL. 212.864.6662
Hope to see you there :)
Posted by: Sigmund Freud, Kinky-TownYah, yah, older unt kinkier. But remember, kinky isht az kinky do, as mine Uncle Aqualung uzed to zay.
Yah, the Dans Schteely isht moztly mit derr kinky zexuality and zee rest are about drugs, screw-ups unt the end of da voirld.
Helga, meine liepshin, could you zend in my next patient, pleaze?
BTW, don't loose my number.
Posted by: Rajah, naughty bitsHe's not BI, he's just K-I-N-K-Y!
Kinky-Dan Setlist:
Dirty Work
Pearl of the $.25
Rikki
Monkey in Your Soul
Rose Darlin'
Everyone's Gone to th Movies
Fez
Haitian Divorce
Everything You Did
Sign In Stranger
Josie
Black Cow
I Got the News
Peg
Babylon Sisters
Hey 19
Gaucho
Abbey
Janie
Dupree
Greenbook
EMG
You'll notice the older they get, the kinkier they get.
Posted by: Clas,
I thought Fagens bisexuallity was a wellknown secret.
Posted by: Little Wild One, on a caffiene buzzGreat posts for a Friday! Thanks for keeping it real...or whatevah.
Coincedently, I've been searching for that Sanford-Townsend Band cd for what seems like 4-ever. Only thing I can find the single "Smoke..." on is a groovy '70's compilation. Any help appreciated.
To chime in on CBAT...the first time I heard "Do It Again," was in my mom's car (Shiny olive green Chrysler New Yorker-forget the year, I'm not a car chick). The sitar, the perscussion bits (what the hell was that bell sounding thing? a marimba? a horseshoe crab?). So shiny and new, yet old. Many of you express it far better than I..., however, the feeling remains the same today for me, every time I hear a Dan tune.
I drive the Chrysler now and conside myself fortunate to have a "family" that digs and understands.
Posted by: Arouet, EuropeCliched long-time lurker but can't resist a number of comments today
For me the "gay" interpretation of Rikki has always been the most plausible. English singer Tom Robinson called it "the best gay love song ever written" (and he should know). Can't see the drug angle apart from the coincidental I think reference to "number". Amazing how the two can get so credibly into the skin of other characters. They did it again on Gaucho (the track).
Mu, for the last week I've been listening non-stop to Porcaro in my car on "Lowdown". What a groove, what a drummer and what a loss.
Stevee Dan, I think I would nearly take a trip to California just to see you and one of your bands. Keep it up!
Jim, thanks for the forum.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCItís what I keep saying/praying.
All of these interpretations of their tunes and every single one of them are right!
I beg that the meaning to their songs doesn't become obvious, because then theyíll loose part of what makes them unique.
PAM: good joke. Itís one of those jokes that conveniently fit any band that you want to pick on. I told my brother last night who is a big Dead and Phish fan and he laughed.
By the way, "American Beauty" is a very good record. (Straight or high)
HER BROTHER: I never heard of that other sneaker song.
FACW: it's interesting that sometimes you CAN tell what color the musician is. Not that it matters.
Just like you can tell if the person on the other end of the phone is black or white. Not that it matters.
RAJ: youíre right about the groovacious thing with the bass I think we Danionís dig bass where as letís say a metal head may need it more to emphasize the thunder of a power chord.
Funk is cool with us, who knows maybe we have a couple of drops of black blood swimming around in us, or is it African-American blood?.
Not that it matters.
"...roll back the meaning, drink to our dreaming...î
Peace
A
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKRajah:
Well said my man.
Just read your last post and I have to say that, whilst it had never particularly occurred to me that WB's playing would have that effect on a track, I think you are totally correct in your observations.
I also think you are right on the money so far as his contribution to the magical chemistry which defines their partnership.
Posted by: Rajah, enter the dragonOh boy, had a synapse in my ganja-addled brain just now: does Walter's bass playing make Everything Must Go sound, well, "too white?" He played bass pretty much on all of the first two records, then the great master Chuck Rainey came on board to carry a lot of the load for Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied, Scam, Aja, Gaucho. (Tony Jackson also flitted in and out) Walter also lends bottom to most of 2vN save for Tom Barney on Abbey, Negative Girl (wow what a stoner tune that is) and the majestic and under-esteemed, West of Hollywood, one of their all time best and apparently Marian McPartland's fave.
I don't pretend to be an expert on bass but Walter seems more of a technician, he's proficient, don't get me wrong, but let's face it: he don't funk, groove or rock like Rainey, Jackson or Barney. The funk, as we know from Walter, starts deep within the earth's core and runs up through guys like them there dudes. Might be maybe a factor as to why EMG sounds a little light in the loafers with regard to rockin quotient. Justa for instance, Godwhacker live felt a lot different than on record with WB manning the four-string.
Having said all that, I'm convinced Walter is the ingredient that makes Steely Dan what it is. Like the ballplayer that doesn't hit that well, run that fast, his arm is just OK, but when he puts it all together on the field, he is the straw that stirs that drink. Donald is a musical genius, this we know, but it's Walter that makes Steely Dan the singular and inimitable thing that it surely is. Right on, good to ya and good for ya.
Posted by: FACW , pH: I went to the 2003 show stone cold sober. No THC either. Tickets cost WAY too much to miss a note. First set was absolutely pure perfection. Aja stunning. Second set nearly as great
Posted by: ph, with the majority of my brain cells in tactAnn, finally I know somebody else who appreciates music without mind altering substances! Steely Dan doesn't always give off that impression, but I've got half the people at work convinced I'm a stoner because I listen to Pink Floyd a lot.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoSandra: Welcome!!! Hope Michael-Jesus(!) learned his lesson and now gets high on Dan!
Others: Has anyone mentioned "Only a fool could say that"? Has to be the one I listen to the most as it's sheer easy listening, poignant lyrics and Skunk's guitar work is just delicious!
Posted by: Due with Buzz, ---Snakehips, if you read this: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
Posted by: Sandra Dee, Pink HotelAnn....I ditto the controlled substance part...well....almost...there was that freshly baked hashish brownie back in '84....but for all intents and purposes, I love the Dan sounds not because I relate to the lifestyle, but because I love the sound from a musical standpoint. Also, I felt, and still do, like a fly on many walls, watching characters I wouldn't have the time of day for, somehow D & W make them so much more lovable than they would be otherwise. Ironically though, I grew up with one of those characters...my brother... he was a stunning boy of 6'4", Tahitian-blue eyes, a chisled face, huge dimples and a wash-board stomach...and he used it...lived in Long Beach..living life in the oncoming lane... drugs, running money to Las Vegas, the Hispanic mafia, celebs, being homeless...the whole enchilada...and that's just the parts he reluctantly tells me....his name...Oh Michael...oh Jesus!
More irony..HE turned me on to Steely Dan! D & W must have felt like the big brothers he never had, poor lad.
Me...I'm just Gidgit without a beach.
peace
Posted by: Ann, BorneoInteresting perceptions that you guys are coming up with!
When I first heard the Dan in 1973 I was immediately hooked on the beat and the grooves....I'd just started my first job after graduation and didn't have much money, but had to buy the album (and that was the only source of information!!) (Hey....does that year make me the "Big Mama" of the Blue????). I didn't really have any inclination as to the ethnic origins of the band as we were very much information starved in the UK, but I presumed them to have some sort of latino influence. It was only when I bought the album that I was able to sus-out the situation.
I don't have any favourites as all their music has given me immense pleasure....and as someone who has never touched any form of illegal substance in her entire life, that came purely from the normal stimulation of auditory/brain cells!!!
Borneo covered in a nasty, choking hazey smog today - rain forests on fire! Very hot!!!!
.......oh hell....pass me the HRT!!!!!!
Ann
Posted by: SS, hounded by humdiityRaj...with you all the way on Spiral Staircase and More than Yesterday. Check out Smoke from a Distant Fire by Sanford Townsend Band. Small acts with horns....those were the days.
That listmaker though is liberal with the definition for one hit wonder. Must be at least two hits for a lot of those groups.
Posted by: FACW, GroovetownRaj, Alkali: It's funny. Back in 1972 when I was just this close to a stem cell, when my friends and I discovered those transistor radios, the haunting plastic organ line, a Latin shake balast, and the completely inappropriate electric sitar of Do it Again blasted from the tiny speaker, and I swear my buddies and I thought Steely Dan were black (African-Americans today). We couldn't tell at first whether Donald was snarling Back, Jack? or Black Jack? as in Casino, Vegas or someone just out of luck.
Starts down at the bottom. Do It Again really pumped along - The thing was that Walter and Donald always set a mean groove. Midnight Cruiser hit that blues/rock/jazz vein with muscle. The next sing Reelin' had of that searing ...and we fell into that Dave Chappelle skit zone - too much guitar - they must be white!... My next door neighbor bought the album, and Donald, Hodder were so tanned for a moment we were thinking, for a moment, could be a Sly and the Family Stone mix. Point is their musical .inspiration were largely African-American masters of jazz and R&B and it's in their ((i.e., Steely Dan) soul, if not the skin.
My wife has mentioned the slinky addictive nature of Pretzel Logic. Note of self: SELF, must play that one more often at home...
RIGHTEOUS GROOVES
Do It Again
Change of the Guard
Bodhi
Your Gold Teeth I
the jump tune My Old School
Pretzel Logic
Night By Night
Monk-ey in your Soul
Parker's Band
sneaky grooves of Bad Sneakers, Rose Darling (because of Porcaro's amazing ability to groove and fill at the same time)
Chain Lightning
Hell, All of Scam
Black Cow
Peg
Home At Last
I Got the News
Josie
FM
(the original 2nd Arrangement with Porcaro)
My Rival
Babylon Sisters
Time Out of Mind
Hey 19
Janie Runaway
Gaslighting Abbie
Two Against Nature
WASAM
Lunch with Gina
Pixeleen
Slang of Ages
weird groove of Greenbook
Hadn't thought about it before. but I do feel the grooves a little less on Gaucho, EMG...a little less primal. Turn that jungle music down, just until we're out of town.
Posted by: Rajah, you shook meph - Thank you so much for those kind words, let me just step out on the Gonzo ledge for a nanosecond here and say, this is the best bunch of folks I've ever had truck with anywhere. Baby, I've been EVERYWHERE in my half century on this planet and the Blue, with all its faults, undoubtably houses the creme de la creme of music aficciandoes on this Blue Planet.
I miss certain people like my darlin W1P overhere, I believe he's been wronged, I think he was given a raw deal. By whom, I'm still trying to ferret out but apart from that, the Dandom community is one of solidarity, strength and loyalty, unlike no other. Travel the world if you will but I doubt you will ever find a bunch of music monkeys the likes of us.
Float on, Big Blue, float on.
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehI always thought "fire in the whole" had something to do with the Vietnam war, you know they'd yell out fire in the hole when they were getting ready to throw a grenade into the trenches. The first verse conveys to me what the army mentality is all about, don't say anything and do as your told. The yellow stripe, cowardess, etc.. just a thought eh.
Currently I've been listening to obessively Razor Boy and Your gold teethI, they're just so damn catchy!
This is why I love the Dan everything old is new again, oops sorry BareNaked Ladies didn't mean to plagerize, eh.
Posted by: hoops , Thanks ph and everyone as always. :-)
Little bit of trivia. alt.music.gdead begat the Dandom Digest which begat the Blue. fo' real.
Posted by: ph, a world where all is freebeen lurking for a long while, but today i just have to say: i love this place. today's posts have been an especially nice distraction from my job. thanks hoops for hosting the board, and thanks everybody else for supporting it.
Posted by: Stonah, like, in a cloudwait, like, this board is all about weed, right? chibachiba
Posted by: Pam, On the bus, manAlkali: Your comment about weed & it's distortion of your ability to judge whether you like something or not reminds me a joke I tell people when they find out I used to be a Deadhead: Q.What did the Deadhead say when he ran out of pot? A. This music sucks! Which pretty much sums up my whole Grateful Dead experience, except for Chinacat Sunflower which I still think is a jamming song :)
Pam
Posted by: Rajah, Guilty PleasuresHey Her Brother, how's My Sistah? Love that list!
Katrina & the Waves "Walking on Sunshine"
Right Said Fred "I'm Too Sexy"
John Fred & His Playboy Band "Judy in Disguise (With Glasses)"
Billy Swan "I Can Help"
Alicia Bridges "I Love the Nightlife (Disco 'Round)"
Deee-Lite "Groove Is in the Heart"
Ace "How Long"
Swing Out Sister "Breakout"
Nicolette Larson "Lotta Love"
Marshall Crenshaw "Someday, Someway"
The Sanford/Townsend Band "Smoke from a Distant Fire"
Divinyls "I Touch Myself"
And my fave, I think one of the all-time best Top 40 pop songs ever, when it came on the radio when I was a kid, I hated it, I was too cool for school, but 35 years later, I find I really love it, great vocal, great message, I think it captures that first rush of love, romance, whatever you wanna call it:
The Spiral Starecase "More Today Than Yesterday"
Baba Bubblegum Rajah
Posted by: Ouch., That hurtsI always thought "Fire in the Hole" was a hilarious song about contracting the sexually transmitted desease of the day - the clap - and the resulting pain when trying to pee. Made all the lyrics fall into place for me.
Posted by: Her Brother, Burning w/rage!Alkali- That's funny you mention Sneaker and "one hit wonder". The book "99 Red Balloons" (The top 100 one hit wonders) was put out a few years ago and "Sneaker" made the list. Not with "Don't Let Me In", but with "More Than Just The Two of Us". Check below.
http://www.brentmann.com/index02.html
Sneaker "More Than Just the Two of Us"
Posted by: Alkali, NYCRaj: isn't it funny that when you're stoned you think that what you are listening to at that particular moment is about weed?
for instance isn't "Rikki" about weed? anybody with me?
and then it follows naturally that the song is trying to warn you that the cops are just beyond the door and ready to knock!
i flushed alot of good herb over the years because of that...
and subsequently lost some good friends.
i remember we had an interesting case study in Psych class about the effects of cannabis sativa and the way it alters ones pleasure/displeasure sensabilities.
we would listen to music that the professor predetermined as displeasing to us and we would kind of dig it once we were high.
the professors point was that you can't pick and choose individally as you can when you're straight. so you don't really know if you like something or not.
it was interesting.
BTW does anybody remember that band 'Sneaker' who did the cover of "don't let me in"? i actually heard it at a local staples this morning!
no doubt under the one hit wonder heading.
Peace
A
Posted by: hemiola, southwesta sd aja reference from (occasional) dan fan site; http://www.goldenfiddle.com A smattering of mu chord pages too for our theory guys and gals.
http://www.goldenfiddle.com/2005/08/11/chinese-music-always-sets-me-free/#comments
hemiola
Posted by: Dr. Warren Kreuger, ViennaRajah, the brief answer is "no," there is no such rhythmn gene. Believe me, I've been working with The Eagles to help them get their first record in 26 years together. Don Henley is more rhythmically challenged than any white man I've ever worked on. I thought the Bernard Purdie stem cells might help but...so far...no dice.
Check this out:
"Henley made this comment in a Union-Tribune interview two years ago. A new Eagles' album appears little closer to completion now.
If nothing else, this inordinately long delay means that ñ at 26 years and counting ñ the Eagles just may set a record for the longest time between new albums by a major artist. The band has surpassed Steely Dan, which went a mere 20 years between "Gaucho" in 1980 and "Two Against Nature" in 2000.
"We're friends with Steely Dan; we're not in a contest to see who can sit out (from making a new album) the longest!" Henley said during that 2003 interview." "
The whole thing is at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050811-9999-lz1w11eagles.html
If you want me I'll be in the lab distilling Squonk tears and pulling the testicles out of drosophola melanogasters with these gilt-edged tweezers I bought on eBay. Oh the glamour of genetic research. Laters.
Posted by: Rajah, Alkali, I have to admit when Steve told me they were gonna do Fire in the Hole, my immediate reaction was, "WTF for?" When this album came out in 1972, my first year at undergrad, our main activity in the evening was of course to sit around stoned out of our minds or tripping on a dose of LSD that could levitate Utah with the black light posters glowing all around listening to records. The high point of CBAT was Reelin in the Years and this song, Fire in the Hole, followed it. Well, it was a let-down, a bummer, a downer maahhn and we'd invariable tell somebody to "skip that quick," to preserve our vibe. Creature of habit that I am, I have continued to skip that tune ever since. But sensibilities change, thank goodness, and thanks to hearing it the other night, I will no longer be reaching for the remote after Reelin in the Years. Well, actually Reelin kinda gets up my nose and I haven't played it for a while. Do It Again remains my favorite from CBAT, it hasn't faded an iota for me.
BTW, at the risk of being called some sort of racist, you can absolutely tell when a person of color is drumming, playing bass or blowing a horn. Except for special players like the late Jeff Porcaro or Jim Pugh. Is there such a thing as a "rhythmn gene?" We'll have to ask Dr. Warren Kreuger when he posts next. Steely Dan took a quantum leap IMHO when they got some Brothers on those records.
I decline
To walk the line
They tell me that I'm lazy
Worldly wise
I realize
That everybody's crazy
A woman's voice reminds me
To serve and not to speak
Am I myself or just another freak
Don't you know
There's fire in the hole
And nothing left to burn
I'd like to run out now
There's nowhere left to turn
With a cough
I shake it off
And work around my yellow stripe
Should I hide
And eat my pride
Or wait until it's good and ripe
My life is boiling over
It's happened once before
I wish someone would open up the door
Don't you know
There's fire in the hole
And nothing left to burn
I'd like to run out now
There's nowhere left to turn
I used to think this lyric was about running out of weed. But it seems to be more of a message of frustration at having to follow some sort of societal imperative, realizing that it doesn't suit your sensibilities and wanting to run away from it all.
Downer, dude.
Posted by: Alkali, NYC"Fire in the hole" Iím glad that someone brought up that gem.
Iíve always loved and consider it overlooked by some Danion's.
(The lyrics in that song in particular shows the genius of one or both of them)I love those fat piano chords after the first drum roll!
Another one that I don't think gets the respect that it certainly deserves is "Pretzel logic".
I heard it mentioned here just now and I had to add my two cents.
In my opinion that song is the coooolist pop song ever penned.period.
that gradual fade in on the intro where the low keys are conversing with higher keys and in comes that drum dribble roll and cymbal crash trailed by that piano tremolo gets me every time. I catch myself involuntarily moving my head in a strange manner. (Rather embarrassing if someone else is around. especially a non-Danion who just doesn't get it.)
Miles Davis said that he could tell the difference between a black person playing music and a white person just by listening to them. He said that black music kind of "fits" into his body.
I know exactly what he means by "fits" because "Pretzel" and a few other Dan tunes kind of "fit" and tap the spine somehow.
I recall once that a friend came up to me when I was in college and said ìI saw you on Tuesday around noon, you were in your car.î I looked at him trying to remember. Then he said ìyea, you had the windows rolled up and your head was goose neckingî
I smiled at him and said ìoh yea, I was listening to Steely Danî
True story.
Peace
A
Posted by: SteveeDan, Hittin' the trail in 7 hoursThanks again for your support. I thought that Fire In The Hole would not be as well received as it was, so I feel fortunate for that, and I am really enjoying the conversation here about that song.
Regarding songs that sound alike, I can see what some of you are saying about 2nd Arr. w/ Nightfly, and Pretzel w/Chain, but certain similarities are sort of inevitable. One reason is that there is a definite pianistic style that we hear from Donald, even if things aren't that close in similarity, there's still that style coming up here and there. Another possible reason is the specific style of song, be it blues-rock, or jazz-blues, or pop-jazz, or whatever it might be.
I don't key into these similarities all that much unless it sounds like practically a carbon copy soundalike like Big Noise NY versus EMG. That one was startling to me. The others were just tunes that are unique from one another but have either song-style or pianistic similarities.
In any case, I think it's very interesting to see what you guys think of this stuff.
I'm off in the morning to take my son camping with a friend of his just north of Santa Barbara for the weekend at El Capitan. It's a beautiful campsite located just off of the seashore on the left edge of the continent.
I hope you all have a nice weekend. See you all soon.
SteveeDan
Posted by: SS, HK confidentialI hear part of the 2nd Arrangement in Negative Girl....where DF sings '...it's happening again."
Think of 2nd arrangment where he sings 'first arrangement again'...
I wasn't really thinking of the words first, really the mood and chords, but there is a fit there as well.
I think it shows up a few other places in Neg. girl...the softer parts make me think of that particular place 'first arrangement again' line.
Stevee...any song that starts like Fire in the Hole can't possibly put your audience to sleep or leave them cold. That piano intro is a grabber - never get tired of it. And the great changes over (under ? ) the solo - have fun !
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHi, a million thanks for everyone who has taken the trouble to reply to my posting about re-newing my SD collection. I'd decided to take the plunge and get re-mastered stuff on DVD-A. I've just had another few days over in Sarawak, so while I was away, I sent the off-spring to look for something that would play DVD-As. The conclusion is that they've never heard of them here. Ah well, looks like I'll have to wait till technology catches up here or till I take a journey out of here.
Donald siting in Borneo!!:
The off-spring was watching an MTV Asia special about Beyonce (spelling?) the other day and there was a scene where Destiny's Child were performing at the Grammies. Just as I was marvelling at how they managed to maintain such tight posteriors (remembering a recent posting in the Blue), the camera swept on to the audience, and there was Donald for a micro second, in his full glory!!! The Off-Spring was not impressed by my glee. I'm beginning to wonder where I went wrong in my parenting skills.
Rock on.....!
Posted by: FACW, Dan: Righto. Check out the chords in the intro to 2nd Arrangement (I like that 15 sect snippet from the original version with Porcaro on drums) - then compare against the chords on the Nightfly in the chorus " is mine. ....[AROUND HERE ]......Late line.......'til the sun [TO HERE] comes through...
and in the bridge "But once there was a time
When love was in my life"
Sweet, Metal Leg vols, writings on Dan ODP, Fagen sites are all iinteresting, not to mention the myriad of direct interviews over the years.
gotta run
Posted by: hoops, Compare "Lazy Nina" (Greg Phillinganes has a popular version that is great) and "Century's End."
I love the playing on Jennifer Warnes' "Big Noise New York" and her vocals are great but somehow the playing is too brash and upbeat to be appropriate if you ask me. I agree that DF's is more hollow and desparateópretty appropo for the track. (Yes, my opinion has changed from six or seven years ago.)
Around the same time, DF wrote "Confide in Me," recorded by Manhattan Transfer, but again, I prefer Donald's version.
Another great thing about "Fire In the Hole" is that is a track you can listen to on the various remasters of CBAT and appreciate the remaster process and improvements with each update.
I don't think anyone is saying Brian Sweet's book is extremely inaccurate. I recommend that all Danfans, especially those who are new fans wanting to learn more, get it. Yet, I also find that he does, as someone point out, fill in some blanks with educated but unsubstantiaed speculation. Hey I do that here. Just be open to the fact that the book isn't the final word; furthermore, it's not uncommon for anyone, including Becker or Fagen, to gain new insights and perspective on their work and ammend their previous comments.
Totally agree with the person who reminded us that Walter points out they are sorta playing the part of characters in these songsóthat's why the lyrics have things in them that they do. But I also would find it unfathomable that Becker and Fagen are staunch Republicans.
Thanks to you too, Chris Runnels!
jim
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYFACW,
I likewise noticed some similarities between The Second Arrangment and The Nightfly. Obviously, the two are quite different in the end, but Fagen managed to use some of the chord progressions and melodies he and Becker crafted in 2nd Arrangement at times.
The best example I can think of off the top of my head:
"I run to the second arrangement..."
compare it to
"An independent station..."
They're not exactly the same, but definately one influenced the other in my opinion.
Angel,
Let George Do It and Pretzel Logic do sound quite similar at points, but that's not all that unexpected considering both are essentially just modified blues. Hell, Chain Lightning reminds me of Pretzel Logic even though it's in a different key just because of that same standard blues styling used. Not that that's a bad thing though!
Posted by: FACW, C: huh? ...yeah if that Shakespeare guy were only an American, I'd finally read Hamlet!!!!...LOL Whatever, I'll trade Blair for W any day. I did know Sweet was British, which in part may explains why he never interviewed D&W - but hey thanks to Limburgh we do have these planes that cross the Atlantic now.
Anyway, it's not exactly Midsummer's Night Dream now is it? or the Theory of Relativity" If you still feel groused please feel free to donate ten pounds on my behalf to the Sweet account for reading. I'd rather spend the same time LISTENING to Steely Dan or StevveEDan play Fire in the Hole if I get out that way again...
Posted by: angel, I have another question. Does anyone know what middle part of Aja is the piece of "Stand by the Sea Wall"? Has anyone ever heard the song and can point it out? I read about it in Brian's book and just now did a Metal Leg search, for more.
Here is what Walter says.
"Aja"
"Aja" had parts of another song in the middle of it that never made it that was called "Stand By The Seawall." The little chunk in the middle -- "Aja" is kind of a song with a little suite in the center of it and some of that were parts of that song and other miscellaneous bits and pieces that Donald had laying around in his head; things he was going to write and never did and it just got assembled that way.
Posted by: Clas, Dr Mu -
I do suspect this has something to do with the fact that Sweet is British. But that's cool with me, you're a true patriot. You've got yourself a place in heaven reserved just for you and your nearest.
But what is the contradiction to the Metal Leg in all this?
(And your brains are so Einsteinly - you're reading Sweets "Reelin' in the Years" in a bookstore while the kids are running around, and then reject, condemn the book, just like that... I hope you're not running your research at the Laboratory the same way.)
Audi and Out Longhorn... and for Christs sake, God Bless America!
Posted by: Rajah, Anybody who does a Tribute band is certainly doing it for the love of it. Except for W1P of course, he's making a KILLING. Always blown away by how many young people, teenagers even, are at his shows. Something to do with the Floyd that attracts the kids. Great for dropping X and acid I suppose. Which makes me wonder, what with all the mind-altering substances purportedly experimented with by Steely Dan back in the day, why didn't they ever slide over to the Trip Rock/Psychedelic genre?
Speakin of which, the Fab Faux band that played at the Mike Smith benefit that Donald contributed to includes Will Lee and Jimmy Vivino and their thing is they reproduce the Beatle tunes exactly, note for note as they are heard on record. Radical.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Another Day, another financial "test"Thank you Still Sparkin' and Doctor Mµ -
Fire In the Hole has always been one of my favorites, and I worried that it was too old and too obscure to be added to our setlist, ... but we did it, and the crowd seemed to like it a lot. That is one fun song to play, let me tell you.
SS - Benny Golbin's horn arrangement is in support of the guitar work that you hear on the original recording. It swells in, and it swells out leaving the necessary sonic space for the slide-influenced guitar work that you hear at the beginning of the second verse and throughout the rest of the tune.
The funny thing about all of this for me is that I have to devote a serious amount of time to setting up band rehearsals, acquiring places for the band to play, sending out announcements, and lots of other stuff that has nothing to do with music or musicianship. The bottom line, or should I say, the pay off, is when I get to exhibit what I've prepared musically for a crowd that actually gives a darn about what we're trying to do up on stage.
That's why I do it on such an obscessive level. I live for the pay off, because, I can tell you, it's not for the money. Thank God for my day job !!!
Stevee(The Friggin' Giggin' Estate Plannah)Dan
Posted by: FACW , SteveEDan: When I was 20, Midnight Cruiser was my favorite song on CBAT. In my 40s, Fire in the Hole is my favorite with Heartbeat close behind. Even then, Donald and Walter put tasty voicings, chords, and quirkt arrangements into their stuff. Fagen really shows some Monk-like chops on that one. Congratulations on matering this great piece.
Clas: Nice try or I've overestimated the improvement of your English. Never said "fake." The Sweet book simply has no primary sources. In other words, the author never interviewed Walter or Donald. 2nd hand, 3rd hand info, others at the scene of the art crimes. Cut and paste from interviews. Material accumalated in the first Metal Legs. Fine for a Biography of people passed on!! ...or an internet site. The book also contains numerous errors I read it once (but then I read Catcher in the Rye once), Why should I again? An interesting read, but not Library of Congress stuff. Consider it The Drudge Report on Steely Dan. Did Sweet gravytrain? Are Pete's Metal Leg issues (worth looking up) closer to the bone? I think so. You can make up your own mind.
Posted by: fife, baltimore,ehI found this comment by Donald in a songbook "The Best of Steely Dan."
"I Don't think Walter and I were songwriters in the traditional sense, neither the Tin Pan alley/Broadway variety nor the "Staffer" type of the 50's and 60's. An attentive listening to our early attempts at normal genre-writing will certainly bear me out. It soon became more interesting to exploit and subvert traditional elements of popular songwriting and to combine this material with the jazz based music we had grown up with. In college, we were both intrigued by certain humorists of the late 50's and early 60's such as John Berth, Joseph Heller, Kurt Vonnegut, Thomas Berger, Terry Southern and Jerry Friedman. Walter read a couple of novels by Thomas Pychon. We both thought the predicament in which popular music found itself in the middle 60's rather amusing too, and we tried to wring some humor out of the whole mess. We mixed tv-style commercial-arrranging cliches with Mersey beats, assigned nasty sounding heavily amplified guitars to play Ravel-like chords, etg. The fairly standardized rock instrumentation of the original group added the schizy effect. We never tried to compete with the fine songwriters of the era (Goffin & King, Lenno & McCartney). We were after a theatrical effect, the friction produced by the mix of music and the irony of the lyrics.
At this point I can't remember who wrote this verse or that chorus, but the way it often worked out was like this: I would come up with a basic musical structure, perhaps a hook line and occasionally a story idea. Walter would listen to what I had and come up with some kind of narrative structure. We'd work on music and lyrics together, inventing characters, adding musical and verbal jokes, polishing the arrangements, and smoking turkish cigarettes. Of course, the musicians would kick in with arranging ideas, bass lines, etc. once we got into the studio."
Posted by: Clas, Washington - the Capitol
Dr Mu re Sweets book, - "Never gave to the till, but read the whole thing in a bookstore a few years ago while the kids ran amuk."
And then you judged it as a fake. Man, that's a damn good job you did there. And fast.
Wow.
Posted by: SS, Fishin'From an on-line interview/forum with WB Nov 17, 1994.
Question: 'I saw you in Houston at the Woodlands last year, Walter. Great concert as always. But why must you insist on injecting your leftist political views during a concert? Do you think we really care what your narrow mind thinks? '
BeckerLive: 'I take the leftist political views to be a reference to the lyrics to a song that I sang that night called Fall of 92. There's two things that I would like to point out. One is that the political views expressed by the character in the song are exactly that-namely the perspective of the character and not mine and two Bush was equally reviled by people from all positions in the political spectrum. But again the point of the song was to tell a story about a 80's yuppie who had fallen on hard times and blamed his failed romance on the recent economic downturn. '
Posted by: SS, Good n' RipeStevee....very cool that you're doing Fire in the Hole. Have never thought that song got enough attention.
Might be my favourite DF piano playing....and would be the thing I'd want to learn if I had music in front of me.
Horns in place of the Skunk guitar..or somehwere else ?
Posted by: SteveeDan, Between Financial "Tests" of sorts (Continuing Ed, and otherwise ...)Hello Mu, Angel, and Rajah - -
Mu - I agree with what you said, and I do remember that J. Warnes did that tune. Didn't she do another Fagen song too ? (Yes, but I can't remember the title right now ...)
Angel - the thing to remember is that an artists' style will sometimes persist from older songs to newer ones. "Let George Do It"'s intro has a similar but different piano part to the opening of "Pretzel Logic", but that is very perceptive of you, no doubt. It's not the same, but it's in the same mental vein (if that makes any sense).
Rajah - I didn't realize that Benny's horn chart for "Fire In The Hole" was as "adventurous" as you have said. I will have to listen to it more carefully at a future band rehearsal. It's so hard to focus on the horns when the stuff under my hands is so "busy". As for my keyboard parts, you are partially correct about my "preparation time". You see it's like this ...
Many years ago, I learned how to play "Fire In The Hole" ... to a certain degree. This was true for many of the Steely Dan tunes as I was not yet that well versed in jazz piano chord voicings. My ear just wasn't attuned when I was in my teens and twenties. That started to change when I would go back and re-assess these keyboard parts. As my jazz chord theory improved so did my level of authenticity in "cracking the code" on the Steely Dan material until I had to raise the bar to the highest extent when I started to put out the "Dan tribute band" banners.
So, when I would go back to review a song that I had been playing a certain way for, say, 2 and a half decades, I would realize all of a sudden, that I wasn't completely (read: only half-way) accurate. I always had the feel, but not the precision.
So, thinking about this "re-working" aspect, you are right, I have been playing "Fire In The Hole" for decades ... and I was playing it wrong.
But for the two weeks prior to last week's gig, I did completely perfect both the intro and the piano solo sections of the song. I am extremely proud of it. I've always wanted to nail those parts, and now I have (if only I was double-jointed and could pat myself on the back ... oh wait ... there ! I did it ! Now where's my chiropractor's phone number ? ...).
So for the two weeks that I focused on it, I really did perfect it by plugging a "Y" connector into my keyboard so that I could listen to the Can't Buy A Thrill CD on my computer and play my keyboard at the same time and constantly replay the sections I needed to "lift".
I have this software that will slow down the music and play it in a loop, but for some reason, this software wasn't working, so I had to do it the semi-old fashioned way.
The completely old fashioned way was when I used to use the grand piano in my parents' livingroom and run back and forth into the other room (with the pool table in it) to put the tone arm on the turntable back to the beginning of the song. I wrecked more albums and needles doing that than I care to admit to. Interfacing with computers, CDs, and keyboards is much easier. No running back and forth around the pool table.
Life is good. Good God.
Stevee(God-Whacky)Dan
Posted by: chris runnels, knobjockeyHey SD fans, this is my first post, so I'll try not to say anything stupid. Just wanted to say a late thanks to everyone who came to Cincinnati for Danfest, and, for bieng so appriciative of our production on that show. Im with Advanced Audio Systems here in Cinci, and wanted to say thank you for all the emails here and to me directly about how much you all enjoyed the look and sound of the show. It is a soundguys' pleasure to run a band like those guys, and to reproduce SD music, or at least try to come close:)
They(we)are doing another show on Dec 30th, so check out the web for that. www.ajamusic.net
Again thank you for your kind words, I look forward to meeting more of you in the future.
Chris Runnels
Posted by: angel, Currently still "borrowing" Sweet's Book from my Steely Dan friend and just finished reading it last week. As one who just did some research for that Roadtrip to Hicksville that Nigey Lennon wrote about, I can easily see how some of the book was written. It is still an interesting book to read, but I definitely see where conclusions were drawn, that might not be "exactly" correct. But still, it is a great read and anything that can get us into the heads of D & W, has merit.
Steveedan: I hear the chords to "Pretzel Logic" in "Let George Do It". Am I wrong in that? Yes, George is in the rough, but it definitely sounds like it.
Posted by: Rajah, That was a great horn chart on "Fire in the Hole," the other night by PLB. It was like the three sax players each set out traveling in different directions but somehow got back to the right place together. Marvelous job by young Maestro Golbin, very, very creative concoction. And I was remiss earlier, Steve, Evan Daum sang his guts out on that song, he got down and widit. He has such a sweet voice but when he digs in and lets loose like that, he's quite remarkable. He carried it like a champ, very strong and assured, we loved it.
But it remains a piano star-turn of a tune, so don't tell me you worked on it for just two weeks, Vee-Dan, I ain't buyin that.
So nobody knows doink about this, "Heartbreak Souvenir" thing from Gaucho? Dang it all, Sweet couldn't have just made it all up. C'mon Dandom, who's holding out on us here?
Posted by: FACW , SteveEDan: Big Noise, New York did end up on a Jennifer Warnes' album "The Hunter." I think Donald's is actually the demo. I'm prejudiced, but I dig his version better - more edge.
"Then you can look at various out-take recordings from Katy Lied sessions, or Aja and Gaucho sessions and find some very interesting tunes such as If You Got The Bear or The Bear Got You, Kulee Baba, The Second Arrangement (a very popular tune around these parts), Mr. Sam, and others that cause you to scratch your head wondering why some of these songs weren't either completed or chopped up to be sections in various other new songs they might have written."
I hear some of the chord structures in 2nd Arrangment in The Nightfly. Am I off-base? The best SONG on those outtakes or frankly on most of their albums just might be "I Can't Write Home About You." Swirling jazzy melody. Classi pop (1900-1955) structure...where Fagen was moving towards a post-modern Cole Porter period...
I Got the Bear
Mr. Sam
I Can't Write Home About You
Kulee Baba
2nd Arrangement
...makings of a great album...perhaps the never to be Metal Leg???
m.e. Never gave to the till, but read the whole thing in a bookstore a few years ago while the kids ran amuk.
Posted by: Dave, Yeah, the old demos are pretty intruiging, I especially like the Gaucho outtakes, I just wish D&W got some monitary credit for them. I mean, let's say I became some famous novelist some day or something stupidly unlikely like that, and my high school English teacher sells the essays, narratives, or whatever I wrote in his class and makes a bunch of money. Okay, so I really wouldn't care, but some people would, and it's understandable that Don and Walt would also care about the pre-fame productions as they were tring to grow as artists. Jeez, that metaphor works really well, gnaw on it awhile. And of course, there's nothing wrong with discussing about the tracks themselves, duh. I just think its wrong for people to sell the demos without the creator's consent.
Posted by: SteveeDan, HI Raj - -
As a songwriter (in a distant past life), I would say that some songs are not resurrected ever. On the other hand certain songs, or parts of songs, or lyrical themes are. From those early Pre-Steely Dan songs you can find Barrytown, Parker's Band, The Caves Of Altamira, Brooklyn (Owes The Charmer Under Me), and a few others that I can't remember without reading all of the song titles on the various compilation CDs I had to buy in order to get most of those tunes (I'm still missing 3 or 4 of them). These songs as they sound on the official SD CDS that I mentioned are almost completely intact when compared to their pre-Steely demo predecesors.
There were other interesting songs that never carried through to the salad days of Steely Dan such as Yellow Peril, Let George Do It, I Can't Function, and others. I can hear the genious in the rough in many of these songs, but they really weren't all that slick. How could they be? They were first or second take demo recordings with no overdubs, no studio trickery.
Then you can look at various out-take recordings from Katy Lied sessions, or Aja and Gaucho sessions and find some very interesting tunes such as If You Got The Bear or The Bear Got You, Kulee Baba, The Second Arrangement (a very popular tune around these parts), Mr. Sam, and others that cause you to scratch your head wondering why some of these songs weren't either completed or chopped up to be sections in various other new songs they might have written.
Again this question goes back to what I said at the top of this post, that being, that sometimes, what's in the past simply stays in the past.
Donald Fagen wrote a "B" side single along with "Century's End" called "Big Noise, New York", a very interesting jazz-blues ballad. It's a lesser known song, but it was actually released. It wasn't an archived song that got snatched up and put on a bootleg. There is a segment of this song that is near the end of each Verse which has chord changes that are almost completely identical to changes in the title track to Everything Must Go. I haven't taken the time to compare both songs back to back, but it is also possible that these two segments are in the same key.
Here's an example of using something from another song for a new song. Nothing wrong with doing that, and we have discussed this very example here a couple of years ago after the EMG CD was released.
There is no hard and fast rule to adhere to. And all the rules that exist on this subject are subject to exceptions.
But the postulating is fascinating, isn't it ???
Stevee(wants more Dan tunes to disect)Dan
Posted by: moray eel, orchids and theFACW: Do you own Sweet's book?
Posted by: Rajah, Oh I think we do understand full well what is going on in the West Wing, the halls of Congress and on our highest benches. Just IMHO and I'll be brief about it, (how did I get suckered into this) it's insidious, it's like a creeping chemical spill but guess what, we can't do anything about, we've been hijacked and it's partly our own fault. Talk to me in 2008. Fat cats and Corporations give bags and bags of money to all political candidates of every stripe. That's how business is conducted, none of us here can do anything about it. What is it that we do not understand here? Look at Dubya's approval (or dissapproval) rating, that should tell everyone something.
And the band plays on, hassan, light up those Luckies and let's roll tape in the service elevator. When the world is runnin down, you make the best of what still around. (I should write that down)
The Sweet book is a very bare-bones and flimsy biographical document and should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt but there's one thing in it I've always wondered if anyone here knows about. It's a putative song written for Gaucho called, "Heartbreak Souvenir" and Donald penned it out of his vocal range according to Sweet. It was way too high up the scale and it got shelved. Wondering of that turned into Pixeleen....
Posted by: FACW , Sweet's book? Zowie is correct. All second or third hand info. Good neo-fiction. I have seen direct interviews from Donald stated that "Barrytown" was the only song he wrote alone - and he wasn't sure about the results. However, other direct interviews indicate that in Steely Dan I (1970-1980), Donald often wrote the germ or theme or chorus in a song. Walter would fill in. Some songs may lean more Walter (ex Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More) or Donald (ex. Pixeleen), but it was more of a group effort.
Telling who wrote what on the Beatles is often just as simple as hearing who's singling lead in a song or a verse. For example John sings chorus and verse on Norweigan Wood. Paul sings the bridge - those are the parts they wrote individually.
In both cases, Peer Review and Editing are crucial roles each played within a pair. Ideas that make the whole greater than the sum of the parts.
h: Educational dude - I know I learned someting
hassan: Corporations don't care. In 2000, the donation breakdown was 50%/50% Dem/GOP - you can look it up. Many gave to both parties - the ONLY smart thing to do in business. CYA. . I would be concerned about what's going on on K Street under the radar of campaign finance.
What makes Steely Dan's politics timeless is not only HOW they say it, but if focuses on the politics of human nature which hasn't changed, because our genes haven't changed in 40,000 years.
Posted by: hassan, ..............Raj:
I don't think you nor the bluesters understand what the present GOP is about: it's not just representing Corporate America (which many of us might have a problem with as well)--it's Fundies, as in Baptists, Biblethumpers, Book-of-Revelation-chanting hicks. When Danoids (especially those who might have smoked a few joints back in the day, or presently) start voting for right-wing biblethumpers--the Repugnicans-- they are in effect voting for people who would be happy to lock Danoids up.
Posted by: Clas, hokkaidoAlkali - no, I don't find it curious if M Jackson wanted to live in Sweden if Sweden was quasi legal for pedophiles.
Actually it would make sense.
But he walked free didn't he? So this question isn't of immediate importance, is it?
//C
Posted by: Rajah, hassan, I swear you sound just like my son-in-law...Kirk. Kirk... son...is that YOU?
And what is this "frat-boy" hang-up, dude? I personally hate that shit, Frat houses were waay uncool in my day, I think it was a Tuesday sometime in 1974.
I don't reckon Don or Walt trust any politicians, Blue or Red.
And watch it, some of my best friends are flunkie alcoholic hicks and damn proud of it!
Baba I Ain't As Good As I Was Rajah
Posted by: hassan, zoneHey Alkali: that's right, fratboy, Sen. Kerry is a decent and intelligent guy who speaks a few foreign languages fluently; he's certainly far more decent than some flunkie alcoholic hick such as Bush II, who nearly flunked out of Yale, and failed his USAF aptitude test. Moreover you don't know shit about SD or about its jazz and beat roots: I'd wager a case of Guiness stout that DF, and probably WB, votes dem (tho he won't say it).
Go back to like your Mike Curb or perhaps Beach Boys site, puto; or maybe you can like take up some Kountry music (the GOPers favorite) and do some roadie work for Toby Keith--hey yr ma and sis could be hired as real Kountry Crew Sluts! (tell 'em they'll "buy ya a pizza") .
Posted by: Rajah, I appreciate that A.
Posted by: HeyMike, A Chicago SuburbHey, anyone within 100 miles of Ohare needs to get to Arlington Heights, IL---Harrys! This Friday for Reeely Dan.
www.reelydan.com
keepin' the music alive--I saw them last Friday--great fun!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCìCatalyst?î never heard of that one.
I do have ìB&F the early yearsî and as the title suggests, itís ëearlyí sounding and unsophisticated not what you come to expect from them.
However, I must say that there is still that special something in every single one of the tunes on that record.
There is still that slick, smooth and cool behind all of it that really canít be mistaken for anyone else.
Iíll have to check out the Metzger site for the stuff I missed hearing.
HOOPS: youíre right about worrying that this forum could be a bit politically heavy at times but, I think itís relevant given that Steely Dan are political, right?
Besides itís just too tempting and easy to expose morons like Hassan when he whines about ëPigsí and ëthe maní and then hands us Kerry as ìa descent guyî HA!
(I think I just peed my pants.)
Anyway, like Rajah said youíre a very patient guy.
RAJAH: as always youíre a class act, my friend.
CLAS: let me clear something up for youÖ
What Baxter meant by his statement is that Americans have produced every single genre of modern music Blues, Jazz, Big Band, Rock and Roll, R&B, Country and Western etc.
The world has gotten on the band wagon and is richer for it.
Was is all good music? No, of course not. Just look at Country and Western, Punk and Rap (or as Hassan calls it ìEthiopian Maidî music) for example.
And all of this is due to our diversity and freedom. And so it does matter what part of the world you live in.
[why anyone chooses to live anywhere but NYC is beyond me.]
By the way, donít you find it curious that Michael Jackson is threatening to leave America and to live in Sweden or Bahrain where pedophilia is quasi-legal?
Peace
Posted by: PGE, see belowP.S.
Listen to "All Aboard" by The Singing Moongoose (Walter referring to this fictional group in his letter liked to by Dave; http://steelydan.com/furry.html.)
I am pretty sure the bass played is by none other than WB. Is is merely a coincidence the bass player of the group i named Walaka Mongoose - "W" ... get it?, and that Walter (together with Elinor, Kawai and Sayan) get a special thank you? You be the judge... ;)
Posted by: PGE, NorthboundRe: Those early demos released again and again ... and again.
Strictly and legally speaking I do not think they're bootlegs but bona fide releases. It's just that those demos are owned by someone who's not above and beyond making (quite) a few dollars on songs recorded never meant to be released.
It's true that Donald & Walter get nothing from the sales of one of those CDs, and the sound quality is at best tolerable. And while you find early versions of songs like "Charlie Freak" and "Caves of Altamira" among the tracks I am not sure these barebone let's-get-it-on-tape versions will give you any insight to the creative process.
Posted by: Dave, Lucille and PGE,
those CDs are bootlegs. Don and Walt don't recieve any royalties from your purchase of the cds, which are not authorized by them.
Read more about it on the sd website: http://steelydan.com/furry.html
I think the tracks are kind of cool. But get them off Metzger's site, no reason to pay for something that's already a bootleg.
Posted by: PGE, NorthLucille:
"The Early Years" is just one more repackaging of the demos recorded before Steely Dan became Steely Dan.
These demos are released under different titles a couple of times a year. There are dozens of versions making the rounds.
Any good? Different opinions there. I'd say it's for the completist and borderline compulsive danfan fan (like me).
You can hear and read a bit more about these demos over on andy metzgers excellent Steely Dan site http://www.andymetzger.com/
If you still want the demos I think that the double CD "Catalyst" released a few years back is still considered as the most complete.
Posted by: lucille, somewhere in betweenI did a search on Donald Fagen on amazon and found a cd called "The Early Years". THe song titles were all new to me! And I have all the cd's!
I have never heard one mention of this cd anywhere at anytime!
Have I been comotose or is this news to yous too???
Anyone heard it? Is it any good?
Must know....
L
Posted by: SteveeDan, Catching Up with the BlueHi Everybody -
LWO - thanks for your interest, of course. Please note that we will be keeping gig information up on both our band's website www.pretzellogicband.com and also at www.myspace.com/pretzellogic (again, thanks go out to W1P for this great and useful lead to My Space). But you know you can always e-mail or call me. Yes, I too am wondering how South of (used to be) Hollywood is doing back east. SouthOfHerrington. I like that one. As long as it's not "Under Herrington" - - that's just not right ...
Rajah - as always, I thank you for your rousing "Comedy Roast" introductions for the band. Last Thursday night was a blast for us. But Rajah, I must let you know that I did not write the horn chart for "Fire In The Hole". The kudos for that go to our recently-returned-from New-England-Conservatory-saxist with his Music Masters degree Benny Golbin. He showed up at rehearsal the night before the gig (last Wednesday night) with charts for the 3-horn section and they ran the chart with the band for 3 practice runs of the song. The next night we performed it. That's the fastest turn-around for a Steely Dan song from band practice to performance we've ever attempted. Backing vocalist Evan Daum sang the crap out of that song. It was one of his best lead vocal performances we've ever seen in PL. Good on him.
I wanted to also thank W1P for hanging out with us for the 2nd set and flashing daughter Aja's photo in front of the camera thereby inextricabliy linking PL with The Steely Damned.
And also, a big thank you to Gil Ayan, the great rhythm/lead guitarist of SD tribute band Doctor Wu for spending the evening with us too. Our community of Steely Dan enthusiasts in the Los Angeles area thrives with vigor. I'm grateful to be a part of the scene.
This has been a great summer for us and it ain't over yet. We've got three festivals lined up between August 21st and September 30th at Port Hueneme, Hermosa Beach, and Tustin plus the monthly club gigs.
Since I was invited to sit in with Doctor Wu last month I am proud to announce that I have now played IN PUBLIC with 4 Steely Dan tribute bands: The Steely Fan Band, The Steely Damned, Doctor Wu, and my very own Pretzel Logic.
So, as you can see, OCD does has it's rewards.
SteveeDan
Posted by: Rajah, the labI thought it made sense but...wait a minute...this IS Organic Chemistry 303 innit?
No?
Oh, shit, never mind.
Posted by: hoops , Lawgator, others: The reason I bring the "who writes what" regarding "Bodhisattva," is that someone wrote an item for the Digest that says Fagen pretty wrote it himself, according to Brian Sweet. I had never heard that before. With the Beatles, I can sometimes tell who wrote what but really with SD. Who's to say whose conversations, etc didn't have an influence or be the seed. So I guess I'm saying I pretty much agree.
Posted by: Joey, " Argument is an art in and of itself. Forensic discourse will naturally render conflict as its precipitate "
Ouch ! ... I just suffered a groin pull with that one .
Joey like though ..
J. " Snuggles " Fly ! ô
Posted by: Clas,
WOWIE - hm, so you DID read it, after all.
Posted by: Lawgator1, Orlando, FloridaWell now, I've been a lurker for a long time here and have to say that I have never been one to be too interested in the debate over who wrote which song. My assumption is that, with three decades-plus of collaboration, WB and DF wrote some together 50-50, some 25-75, some 100-0, etc. I think the quote a few posts below from WB saying he knows who wrote what is the right sentiment: "Who cares?" The result is what matters.
Both are obvious world class musicians who have had their ups and downs, together and personally. I just don't feel the need to ascribe a particular lyric to a particular person. All I know is that the entire band plays the tune and sings it. That is, and ought to be, enough.
"Or maybe you would like to see the show. You'll enjoy the cafed escargo...."
Posted by: interstate brickface stomp, 'nawlinsah yass doctor ah john the conqueroo, ninths avec chicory, avec chiba and a peacock's tail...second line mac ghosts of Prof. Longhair...and scott joplin.....that is rebenak a bit too much hoodoo and swamp demons for most Danecks but something there the Dan and most muzak-pop lacks..................wimmen is the source... of all eeee-vul... mebbe ...jus' mebbe F & B grow some spine hole up in 'nawlins..the port of saints.. wit some nice creole skank & some decent mex mud and return to the days of yore! one can dream..laissez les bon temps rooolez
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Dear Brothers & Sisters in Dan:
Argument is an art in and of itself. Forensic discourse will naturally render conflict as its precipitate. It's how we approach and choose to handle the conflict that is the key, I offer this humble opinion to you merely as a suggestion. Clas is admittedly a TOTAL pain in the posterior. But ya know what? We'd be so much a poorer forum without him. Like a friend or the sibling that just won't go with the flow, he is what he is. Our Hoops is probably the most patient man I've ever met, as evidenced by his stewardship herein, I was so impressed by his controlled spirit, his abilty to take the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and let it roll off his back. To me, he's just a kid, but he's old in knowledge and diplomacy and comportment. If any of you recall, Hoops and I had some very silly and harsh words for each other a couple years ago but just because you fight with someone a bit doesn't mean you can't respect each other. I've learned a lot from Jim McKay and from this Internet Thing which plopped into my life 10 years ago. I hope he's learned a bit from me too.
So here's the point: we need to argue over here, without it, it becomes a tired old recitative, looping over and over onto itself. Some people call this forum boring, at times, maybe it is. But it's honest and straight-forward, it's unadorned and sparse.
But when it's good, oh, it shines.
Like all of you, my dear friends in Blue.
Posted by: WOWIE!, It's Connie LEEClas---Being "readable" and being "factual" are two entirely different things. Sweets book is made up of pieced together articles, half assed interviews and most of all... guesses and assumptions.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfConsidering the fact there are about 11 actual words in "Bodhisattva" (shades of Weird Al's "This Song's Just (Six Words Long"), I'm inclined to agree with that.
It is possible for Walter Becker to be just as, or more, important than Donald Fagen in Steely Dan's overall output and ideology -- but this one song could be all Don's. It means about thismuch.
That said, and as Hoops pointed out, we have no documented testimony that suggests that "Bodhisattva" was an example of such.
Posted by: Due with Buzz, Louisiana Gator Mountainhttp://www.discord.co.uk/shop/details/item/801298205722/
the link above is a little more info on Walter Becker's participation in "that crazy hindoo scene"...
synchronicity in multiple flow. Eric Clapton in mind because of him being mentioned here... googling for Donald Fagen news came up empty handed in the DF department, however something about a UK radiostation and a bluesman, Paul Cox (he was playing tracks from Donald Fagen to Led Zeppelin) surfaced. at the same time the movie Blues Brothers 2000 was on tv, so i stopped to stare at the technicolorsome mobile zaphome because the best of that movie was yet to come. The contest between the Louisiana Gator Boys band and the Blues Brothers band. And there he was, Eric Clapton, ha, also Jeff Skunk Baxter and numerous other like Bo Diddley, Lou Rawls, Isaac Hayes, Dr. John, Steve Winwood. It's the music that makes this movie fun to watch.
And so all was well in the twisted Steely minded universe...
Posted by: Clas, sekali lagi 'terima kasihYes, I remember a similar thing from a Swedish interview when Fagen was interviewed by the Swedish journalist Mats Olsson (Expressen), about The Nightfly. Fagen said something like:
- When it came to the lyrics I always looked over my shoulder for Walt. Lyrics was his strong side.
Posted by: moray eel, blueI know that this may press some people's buttons, but I think it is a valid point. There are some people that get defensive if you suggest that df was the main writer of the SD material. I've read posts about the 50/50 split idea; df did the music and wb did the lyrics; etc. I've stayed out of the previous debates because I really didn't want to piss people off or undervalue the contributions of any memeber of SD. But there are many facts that lead me to the following conclusion:
I have little doubt that Donald was the "head writer", if you will, of Steely Dan.
1. From Metzger's interview with Kenny Vance:
http://andymetzger.com/features/vance.htm
Metzger: Youíre credited with writing some of the tunes on the [You Gotta Walk It] soundtrack.
Vance: No. I didnít write any of those. Donald wrote them.
AM: You say Donald wrote them. Everythingís always credited Becker and Fagen. Was it Donald who wrote most of that stuff?
KV: I donít want to get into that. I know exactly who did everything.
2. http://andymetzger.com/archive/archive3.php?id=269
From a Nightfly interview on whether it was different writing a solo album:
DF: Not too much, it was a little more difficult writing material because I'm used to bouncing ideas off my partner a little bit, and also if I get stuck for lyrics I could always look over my shoulder and ask him for a line. But I think it came out pretty well.
3. From Brian Sweet's Reelin' In The Years (pg 87):
DF: Usually I'll develop the germinal idea for a song and take it over to Walter... We more or less put both of our names on all the songs, but I've written a few myself.
It seems like df is always eager to let other people take the credit. When touring in 1993, I believe Book of Liars was introduced as being a collaboration between df and wb. But when the album appeared months later, df wasn't credited as a co-writer although the song was essentially the same.
m.e.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandBeen out a few days. Man it's getting rough in the blue these last few days!
Hassan - "ethiopian maid"?? Nice! Just plain classy is what that is! Why don't you just go ahead and call her what it is you really want to call her? Go ahead. You're a liberal - you can say that kinda shit and get away with it.
Posted by: Clas, Sweets book is readable. I like it.
This he says about Bodhisattva, "it was written by Fagen without Beckers input. Denny Dias recalled picking Fagen up on the way to the studio and Fagen telling him he'd only written the tune the previous night. 'That's sort of parody on how western people look at eastern religion - sort of over-simplify it,' said Fagen. 'We thought it was rather amusing - most people don't get it'".
Brian Sweet's "Reelin' in the Years", page 59
Posted by: WOWIE!, It's Connie LEE!hoops---Brian Sweet never conducted an interview with Becker or Fagen for his book. With that said, I'm not buying anything he writes.
Posted by: hassan, the strandMental health and serenity are good things, and studyin' a bit of the dharma is not the worst one could do, BUT let me reiterate: If you voted for BushCo, you voted for rednecks and biblethumpers who'd be happy to lock up new-agers or anyone opposed to Screepture. You may have heard that before, but I think it's an important issue.
BushCo implies fundies, man--as well as imprisoning dissenters, putting drug users including pot smokers away forever, and in effect creating a Xtian police state.
And though I enjoy perusing some of Master Snitch Hitchens' essays on Slate, the lout lent his support to BushCo over Kerry, a decent guy (maybe with some issues, but also an old rocknroller himself), and for that the Snitch cannotta be forgiven.
Texas may have some ethnic diversity; it also has the most bigoted, uptight rednecks and squares in the USA.
Posted by: hoops, And just to emphasize, it's not that SD's timeless and subversive politcal and social messages shouldn't be discussed--rather it's like I said Friday, that few can do it as well as SD and without falling off into an abyss of partisan politics.
Posted by: Gretchen, gloomy sundayI agree with Hoops, it's getting politically hostile in here, reminding me of another site which thrives on political issues and damnations. Please, in the spirit of music and Steely Dan, lets keep it a place to retreat to from all the BS going on around us. I'm sure there are thousands of websites for political rants and raves, and radio talk shows you can call into (like I do) to argue over the opposing party's views.
We need to burn some sage sticks and lavender candles in here.
G
Posted by: hoops , A couple of things, as I alluded to before on Friday and many time before that. Some of you argue your points about tenuously connected Dan topics with such excess fervor and heat that you even lose those who mostly agree with you. It's pretty bad when the guy who pays the bills here (i.e. me) has to roll his eyes and scroll by, like the posts from the past 24 hours or so.
FACW: I think the topic has moved on from Brunai, Borneo, etc to Clapton and SD. Let's give it a rest--those arguing earlier seem to agree and have moved on.
I have something closer to home/Dan. Someone emailed the Dandom Digest about "Bodhisattva" and how they believe that Fagen pretty much wrote that alone without Becker. They claim even Brian Sweet substantiates this in his Steely Dan bookópersonally I find the book to be a great introduction to the Dan, but his writing tend to connect dots without recognizing some missing dots. Sorta like the way I thought I had a great Western Civ text in High School, but the author oversimplified things at times and later I developed a better sense of Western Civ.
Anyhoo...any quotes from Becker or Fagen or both as to whether that is true?
I've consciously caught Coldplay once. I "got" why some find them appealing but it wasn't necessarily enough to make me want to hear them again. I'll have to give them another listen thanks to Mr. Rag.
I find Clapton's playing more intriguing than his songs. In the past 20 years or more, I often wished he had better songs to record.
Like Clas, I liked his playing on Bruce Hornsby's "Halcyon Days," which, BTW, is one of my favorite new releases from the past year. There's some celeb guest spots, but they actually work pretty well, never becoming a bigger event than the music itself.
Please disagree, but some of you need to tone it down if you are going to get people to actually consider what you are saying rather than get defensive.
jim
Posted by: FACW , virtual tour guide
http://www.myanmar.com/asean/asean/brunei.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/99/1034/640/brunei%20mosque.jpg
http://home.online.no/~tonba/bilder/tone/brevvenner/Carolyn%20from%20Brunei%20-%20picture%20is%20taken%20in%20Beijing.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/5043/brunei-aerial.jpg
a BIG tent folks. Doesn't mean it's a circus.
Posted by: FACW , hot licks & rehtoric don't count much for nothin' hassan: I didn't vote for Bush largely because of Rumsfeld and an inability to get R&D $ where they're needed in energy technology (i.e., fuel cells) and biomedical... My Congressional district is actually W's and we voted in a moderate Democrat candidate over a Republican fundamentalist anti-gay female candidate!!
Texas has fine, friendly, hard-working neighborly people. So-called "white people" are not even the majority. In 2004, Texas became the 4th state after New Mexico, California, and Hawaii to truly be multi-ethnic: Latino, Asian, African American, German, Czech, Cajuns, etc.
In the last election compared with 2000, the increase in the number of voters is not only quantifiable, but clear. The came from 3 distinct groups: (a) latinos, (b) soccer moms, and (c) Jewish-Americans
So I guess that blows away your misconceptions to bits. When you spew rhetorical garbage, you only appear more ignorant than you claim Bush to be.
Oh, there was actually quite a Caberet community in Munich through the early 30s...
hey Clas: Sultan, not King. Did you lose your CIA Factbook? Considerable freedoms and opportunity compared with neighbors The state and prime minister do nuts and bolts work. Sultan's powres are bolstered in 'emergencies." Islamic law is intertwined. Ann
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bx.html
psssst...Not all those of the Islamic faith are Arabs...hundreds of millions...some even respect the rights of women...
I should tie this up with a mention of Bodhisattva, a clever song about misconceptions. Don't let it colour your world.
Posted by: blind willie chiltins, vicksburg,miss"goin' down to rosedale, ri-dah by mah side...."
travellin' riverside blues : not bad papa clapton
Posted by: Her, Boston Rag...They don't matter to me.
Posted by: Boston Rag, .
Earlier this week on the Late Show, Paul Shaffer talked about the All-Star Musical Tribute to Mike Smith. He told Dave that there will be a DVD released of the entire show. So we WILL see Donald playing keyboards on Bits and Pieces. I still remember as a kid cranking the volume on the old Zenith stereo with my sister's 45RPM of Bits and Pieces.
Last night I took my 14 year old daughter with me to see Coldplay at the Tweeter Center. An amazing show! This band is really one of the few bands in the past 5 years that matter!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Clas, Mis is Sippi
Thank lads, I feel so important.
Posted by: dajudge, here come da judge
clas=drunk=pervert=annoyance=see previous
Posted by: hassan, parnassusI wuz wrong....yr another clueless biotch, clas...as ignorant of pynchon or ballard as you is about ellington or zappa.....stick to the ravi chancre CDs, puto
Posted by: Clas, Cat Man Du
Never been much for Clapton until I heard him play on Hornsby's latest, Halcyon Days. Specially on Candy Mountain Rain, such blues, such pain and what sound!
Great stuff.
Posted by: Ann , Borneo Well according to old Slow Hand's website, it's available now at digital retailers. Just listened to some clips....it's pretty cool!!!!! All new stuff.
http://www.ericclapton.com/
Enjoy!!
Posted by: Ann, Borneo New Clapton album to be released on 30th Aug.
http://www.whereseric.com/clapton/news/2005/06/eric_clapton_new_album_back_home_august_2005.htm
Also, hot runour that it will be available by digital download on 22nd Aug through the Capital radio's website, but I'll check that out.
Posted by: Clas,
Gretchen - is it me you're calling "ball-buster"? IF, did I ever say that Borneo wasn't a lovely place?
And Brunei is a dictatorship, that's a fact, but has nothing to do with Ann, has it? I mean, she's not the dictator?
What's your point?
Posted by: hassan, hiroshima
60 years since A-bomb day
play "king of the world" maybe for kix
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.hassan, you are a ball of fire. Just don't scare the horses OK, is all I ask. Maybe we can we call this our, "Getting to Know You" period, like from The King & I? Hope so.
Posted by: hassan, cafe muertoThere's a method to SeÒor Clas' madness. Could say a wealthy hip person live a comfortable and hedonistic lifestyle in Munich 1930s or Moscow 1918? Imagine a sexy jetset vamp on some indonesian island surrounded by tyrants, mafiosos, military personnel: can she just go about her bidness with her nipple erection showing through her worn-out Steely Dan t-shirt on? Doubtful.
Sort of reminds me of pictures of "Golddiggers" in 'Nam in the 60s: there to provide some R & R to the troops while 1000s of people, including civilians are being bombed a few miles away; moreover, it raises that old Vichy issue: various musicians continued to play in nazi-occupied France (so-called vichy france) during early 40s, including Edith Piaf, Django Reinhardt, others. They did probably have guns at their backs, more or less. IM not a musico but does the cat get up on stage with his freres and play Stardust for Goebbels and the boys? I'm not sure.
Posted by: Gretchen, Mr. Chow, sipping Veuve and CampariAnn, ignore the ball buster, he's rather ill mannered. Borneo sounds like a lovely place, very exoctic, especially to New Englanders like me. I fully understand being a "foreigner," as LA is like a foreign country to this yankee.
Anyway, has anyone checked Krishnadas.com? An intriguing site, especially for those of us trying to seek solace in some form of spirituality in this F*'d up world. I've heard this latest album is being released Aug 26, however the LA times reported it being released on Aug 9. I'm hoping for the latter, I'm going to pick this one up! Great music to give facials to, (just the esthetician in me) whilst burning a select mix of essential oils........
Seriously, the site reports US tour dates this fall. Does anyone know whether Walter will be part of this touring group? They have the US pretty well covered on this one, I'd love to check out their show.
Any east coasters aware of any NY Zombie-esque shows like the one Donald was spotted at? Will be back east for end of Aug/beginning of Sept and always looking for music in NYC.
G
Posted by: I who has been here as long AS ANYONE, AS ANYONECLAS
Don't attempt mislead anyone with the idea of your longevity counting for anything but being somewhere lurking and being what I know you are.
Posted by: Dave, Is the Citizen box set lower quality than the original cds? That's where all of my Pre-Nightfly Dan collection is from. I didn't know there was a difference...
Posted by: angel, Hoops: Back to Citizen.
The opening of Citizen II with "King of the World" is just too cool and it is probably my favorite of the 4 CD's. A bit of Countdown, Pretzel and the first half of Katy. Great stuff. Amazingly, my next favorite is Citizen I (when I just have to have my early Dan fix) and then Citizen III (2nd Half of Katy, Royal Scam and the beginning of Aja) and Citizen IV (the rest).
I am not recommending it for its audio quality, though I am just fine with it. I recommend it for the amount of Dan on the CD and the fact that you can have more involved Stages of Dan by playing them. The blending is what I like.
W1P (posted over on the Yellow) He feels that the CD should have had much more stuff on it. Demos, unused cuts, live stuff and AIA.
I understand his sentiment, but wishing they had put more on it is an exercise in futility in my book. I enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't. A different way of listening to the Dan.
Posted by: Dave, Wow! January! I think we need some sort of countdown. Too bad there isn't a specific day.
Posted by: Clas, Cocain PeninsulaIn my post today, posted 11:59, Jims time, I said that Borneo is a dictatorship.
What I meant is:
BRUNEI is a monarchical dictatorship.
Our king has been there. He got a lot of criticism for visiting a country under a dictator.
Our king is a fucking emarrassment for our country.
I beg your pardon on his behalf.
Yours sincerly,
//C
Posted by: She's so sweet I forgot to count the dots!, The Jungle Line
Hepp hepp hepp girl, three dots... like that... and space after dots. Not five, two or 7even dots, three dots... goodnight!
Posted by: Clas, Pepsi Cola PeninsulaYou need to get some sleep too - it's 12:56:55 A.M. in Borneo now.
So we agree on that the King of Brunei is a dictator?
You don't have to go public with it, you've got my email address and it's still the same.
PS/And for "boring the other posters...", girl, I've been around this place for so long time and have done and have seen it all. Our discussion about Brunei and Borneo are more exciting than Pulp Fiction is for these people.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoClas:
I posted on the 15th July(Borneo time) which was 14th (ET).
FYI:
Borneo is a large island divided between Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. I live in Brunei, by choice. It is my home. My daughter is Bruneian. I love many things about the place and its people, and those I don't I tolerate and accept because I am a foreigner in someone else's country. I am very grateful that technology is enabling me to fulfil the cultural needs I am unable to find here. I am especially grateful to Jim for opening up my world and enabling me to link-up with other like-minded people, who share the common interest of Steely Dan and their music. This was something I was unable to do even living in the UK.
I'm not quite sure how this has any bearing on the discussion thread, but if you want any more "facts", there are many web sites around. Can we call it a day on this line now Clas, as I'm sure it's getting boring for other posters.... and I need to go get a life!
Posted by: Clas, Coca Kola PeninsulaAnn - re your post July 15th, I'm not sure I get it - there's a list of artists in some kind of festival in USA. You can't/couldn't go.
I don't believe you. The King in Brunei can't hold a Brit living in the British colony in Borneo in hostage?
Or is it lack of money?
Are you a scare flyer?
Please enlighten me.
But the fact remains the same; Borneo is NOT a democracy. It's a monarchical dictatorship.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoCome on Clas....your English is good enough not to misinterpret my words the way you have.
...... and as for dictatorship - see my posting on 15th July!!!
Posted by: Clas, Ann - Ravi moved back to India 1938. When he was in his 20's. And are you saying that Ravi Shankar would have become nothing without the Beatles?
Don't make me laugh.
And you, who live in a dictatorship, you know that there are many great musicians in Borneo.
Posted by: Rajah, I might be wrong about this but I believe the 8-Trak of Aja broke "Deacon Blues" in two, what a horrible thing. I also remember my copy of Paranoid by Black Sabbath broke up a particularly intense tune and the mood was broken to say the least.
Paul, are you seriously taking issue with lyrical brilliance the likes of:
"Girl you had me
when you kissed me.
My love for ya
it's not iffy.
I will always
wantchu wit me.
I'll play Bobby
you be Whitney.
If you smoke
then I'll smoke too,
thatís how much
I loves you.
Crazy is
what crazy do,
crazy love--
I'm a crazy foooooool!!!"
Who needs Moonlight in Vermont. It does have a kind of ridiculous, grotesque kind charm all its own.
OK maybe not.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoRaj.....your quick wit and repartee bring that special something to the Blue!! Wish I could raid the college fund, but unfortuately I'll have to dig way deep in to it in about 3 weeks time!!
Do we Brits really have a reputation for being cheapskates?? Maybe...as last night I was sitting in a coffee bar when a few of the US Navy guys came in, loaded up with shopping. It was a treat for my old Ma, as she was a teenager during WW2 and there was a troop of GIs stationed not far from her home. She used to tell me stories about their crazy behaviour and how the local girls lost interest in the anally retentive local boys.....whose famous description of the GIs was "over paid, over sexed....and over here!!!"
Alkali....a million thanks for your advice and offer.
Clas....no one is saying that other cultures can't produce musical giants....talent will out, come what may!! It's just that some cultures nurture and provide opportunities more than others. Interesting that Segovia spent the remaining years of his life in Manhattan.....and Ravi spent his teenage years in Paris (getting out not long before the Nazis arrived...god knows what they would have done to him!!)....then India became the world's largest democracy...but of course, wasn't he rocketed on to the world's stage by 4 young lads from Liverpool? Wonder where Nora will choose to end her days?
Rock on!
Ann
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I know you're all antsy. I can tell by the number of death threats I receive each week. But trust me, if you kill me, I'll never finish the album! (See http://www.ameliaray.net/autistic.html )
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I can't give you all of the fun details yet, because that would be bad marketing. But I can tell you that if you are anywhere near San Francisco on the evening of Friday, 26 August, 2005, you should be at The Argus. Their URL is http://www.arguslounge.com
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Posted by: hoops, The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering August 1-5, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
ó Note of Thanks from M. hoops
ó T-minus 6 months and counting...
ó The Steely-La's
ó DF Album due in January
ó FW: Fagen Out on the Town
ó The Zombies, Fagen and a January release
ó REDUX: ICE Report: Walter Becker Resurfaces on New Album
ó Oh the irony
ó Jon Herington joins Music for Autistic People!
ó NYTimes "Pretzel Logic" Mention...
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official steelydan.com or Official donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
jim
Posted by: moray eel, blueFrom df.com...
Fagen calls Brookhiser a right wing hitman:
http://www.donaldfagen.com/writing/hertzberg.html
I have a hard time picturing df voting for Bush.
m.e.
Posted by: hoops, I'm with you on that one, Daddy G. I listened to "Aja" on cassette for years at school and, as creature of rut I can be, I still can't get used to the "Aja" CD opening with "Black Cow." Side A on the cassette opened with "Aja" and closed with "Josie" and Side B opened with "Black Cow" and closed with "Home At Last."
I never owned one of those Steely Dan 8-tracks. For those of you too young to remember, the album was divided into FOUR "programs." Kinda like four sides to the album with 2-3 songs per program. Sometimes they would put 2-1/2 songs per programme.
Earlier I wrote how some might be a little shook by having a couple of tracks switched on the CD box, but imagine if they cut a SD *song* in half between, say, programs 3 & 4? Horrors! Remember the fade out, the flutter, the click/clunk and the fade back in? Of course, quadrophonic 8-track tapes weren't as bad...in that respect, that is.
Anyone remember running orders of stereo Steely Dan 8-track cartridges?
jim
Posted by: Daddy G., NJRe: song order on albums...
I listened to SD albums on cassette for years before joining the CD revolution (around the turn of the millennium) and the song orders on the various cassettes was significantly different if I recall correctly (although I couldn't tell you now just what was in what order). But there are times still when listening to my CDs that I think a certain song is going to follow another and then I realize, "no wait, that must've been on the old cassettes." But it's only while listening and getting involved in the musical flow that I make the mistake, my brain subconsciously remembering the old order.
I have no idea what the original order of songs might have been on the old LPs, if they were the same as the CDs, the cassettes, or a different sequence altogether.
Also, I'm one of those folks who NEVER uses the shuffle option on the CD player, so that's why I do tend to get used to a specific order.
Posted by: hoops, One other little caveat with "Citizen Steely Dan." The seven albums from 1972-1980 are fit onto four discs. In the process, some track orders were slightly re-arranged and "Countdown," "Katy" and "Aja" are cut between two discs. Even if you have a CD changer, that can be annoying to some purists since the first and last tracks on each CD were in some cases shuffled from original running order, probably for the effect of contributing to the opening and closing of each CD in the box set.
For example, disc 2 opens with "King of the World" (a more dramatic track to open a disc) which was switched with the lower-key "Pearl of the Quarter" which should have opened disc 2 if the songs were arranged in running order. Same with disc 2 to disc 3; disc 2 closes with "Chain Lightning" and, trading original running order, disc 3 opens with "Gold Teeth II."
jim
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfYou're my boy on the blue, Rajah, but shame on you for expecting anything more from the Black Eyed Peas. They wrote a stupid song with a stupid pun that was only meant to get attention -- this isn't a case of artistic genius being foiled by outside pressure (not that I'm saying that you're coming close to implying that).
This is still a band that wrote a song called "Let's Get Retarded." A classy crew.
Posted by: Rajah, oh dearhassan, it just so happens Sgt. Frat-Boy Rajah agrees with much of what you say. Here's two fer-instances just today:
We had tickets to Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Alan White, they were suppose to play tonight in LA at my favorite venue, the Wiltern Theatre, a beautiful art-deco house, traditional proscenium stage, great acoustics. Well, seems their small N. American tour has been cancelled due to "immigration problems linked to the London bombimgs of last month." The Patriot Act strikes again, there was probably someone in the band who wasn't named Bob Smith if you catch my drift. So pissed.
The other is the song, "Don't Phunk With My Heart" by the Black-Eyed Peas which has been unceremoniously changed on KIIS-FM, the top 40 station in LA, no. 1 in this market. Ferge is now heard to sing "don't MESS with my heart." Shame on the Peas for caving in to that.
So believe me, I think we all understand your frustration...
Posted by: hassan, thanatopolisI been there, checked it out, more fratboys, and the usual sluts who'd suck the nails out of the carpet for $50. SD.com is alright.
I don't dig places where you have to register, login, provide email, IP addy, show your retina, etc. And I don't think the chumps who voted for BushCo, here or on the yellow, know what that entails: for one it meant voting for someone very close to Xtian fundamentalists who would be more than happy to shut down all arts and entertainment, imprison dissenters and non-Xtians, put all drug users including pot smokers away forever, and in effect create a Xtian police state.
You think I am exaggeratiing read some of De Lay's or other right wing yahoos' rhetoric. Besides anything that comes from texass is generally to be disregarded if not pissed on.
Posted by: Rajah, Doooood, lower your hackles would you please, you know not the crowd to whom you speak. I've heard of preaching to the choir but you're beating us up. We have to endeavor at all times to learn to focus our anger and turn it into a productive outlet is what my Anger Management counselor tells me.
Or get your pugnacious butt over to:
http://www.banyantrees.net/forum/
if you think you have the stomach for some conflict management exercises. Oh, and hassan, bring a pair of lead-lined shorts.
Det. Sgt. G. Baba Frat-Boy Slim Rajah
Posted by: hassan, thanatopolisFACW: you ain't goin' to rip anybody to anything. Im not a pacifist, and have no problem septum punching any GOP hick who thinks that some dimwitted, fratboy flunkie like Dubya Bush and his criminal cabinet were worth voting for. In California you put forth your support for BushCo or for GOP (or for Supreme Court ruling on the med pot), you siding with the nazis and you might be in for some trouble.
Enron and Ken Lay gave far more cash to Bush's war cabinet than to dems. Moreover Enron execs threw away millions of California tax funds, and all of that was due to the dereg. policies started not by Davis but by Pete Wilson and other GOP swine.
If Walt and Don have turned tail, and joined Skunkski and the GOP snitch patrol (i.e snooping on Web activity as well), they betrayed not only their beat and jazz forefathers, but all of those fans who ever puffed a few joints while listening to them, and all of those countercultural people who didn't exactly view Nixon or Raygun as role models.
Most of you are macho fratboys and wannabe cops, who not only misread Fagen-Becker but don't know shit about the beats, cyberpunks or 60s either. Maybe read the lyrics to Kid Charlemagne a few times as well and you might figure it out, putos.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfWeber -- you crack me up. If bas had signed his post from "Roanoke, Virginia," you'd probably call him "a typical, cheap Virginian."
A lot of these re-issues come down to personal preference. There are times when I much prefer the Gold MFSL "Aja" disc or my vinyl "Countdown" to their recent CD counterparts, just because I like the warmer sound. Don't bash me -- I know that the new re-issues are ten times better and that the MFSL discs were made from 3rd generation masters, but sometimes I need that less responsive sound.
But (and I hate starting sentences with that) do seek out the re-issues to at least give yourself the choice.
Posted by: Rajah, The English aren't cheap, they're just...practical.
Now if you were an American, Ann dear, this is how you'd proceed: whip out a credit card or better yet raid the kids' college fund (I mean, haven't you done enough, huh, when is it gonna be Mom's turn here?)and get online and buy a complete DVD-A system along with DVD-As of EMG, TvN, Kama, Nightfly and Gaucho cause lemme tell ya, you will NEVER go back to CDs once you've been to DVD-A heeaaven as Mr. Haney from Green Acres might have said. Oh crap, you're English, you did't get Green Acres, sorry. Then work back to the re-masters. Buy those album picture frames from Bed, Bath & Beyond, mount the vinyl in them and hang them in the hallway under some tasteful track-lighting.
Now if you were Sicilian you'd ram your Cadillac through the plate-glass window, have the kids jump out and steal the lot then burn the place down to cover your tracks. Leave the old CDs, the vinyl and the Fleetwood, take the cannoli.
Hours of listening pleasure await.
Posted by: FACW, hassan: I'm not a Republican, but HeyMike is correct. I live near Houston and saw this daily - Enron's shenanigans (as well as Tyco, Global Crossing) went on primarily in the Clinton administration. Robert Rubin lead a loose ship. Went in the right direction!!, but they never checked any techie or energy co. books, and Enron ran theirs like a Drunk Internet co. During any recession, the ebb tide will wash up the clowns, criminals, and dregs.
I consider your post certainly bigoted at the least, although I don't belong to any of said groups. Politicals points have little clout when the facts are simply wrong and the intention misguided, and detract from a DLC wing of the Dem. party, which includes disenfranchised voters like myself. The increase in the number of votes for Bush in 2004 vs. 2000 is quantifiable and definitive. They came from (a) Latinos, (b) Soccer Moms, (c) Jewish-Americans. Make of it what you will.
I would be happy to pummel you into submission on the yellow.
Steely Dan focussed on the Politics of the Human Condition (a couple of Walter's right wing hooey - originally bogus haircut and the Nazi throwaway slipped in). The reason that their lyrics on TWM, Don't Take Me Alive, etc. still ring true today is that they capture the essences of the evil and folly of the characters. Because the twisted tiber of human nature doesn't change, the songs are timeless.
Posted by: Weber, not BrooklynAnn-ÝI'm withÝ bassicinstinctÝ on this one. Get everything copied onto DVR and screw Donald & Walter out of the royalties they so richly deserve! What a typical cheap bloody Englishman you are Bass.
Posted by: Clas, Says Skunk the Right Wing Baxter:
"The bottom line is that I really love my country, I'm extremely lucky to have had success as a musician, and only because I live in a free country was I able to do that."
Free country? If he was born, let's say in Spain, or India, the world would have lost a great musician, right?
But what about AndrÈ Segovia, born in 1894 in Spain? Probably the greatest guitarplayer ever, and god knows that our little Skunk is standing in the shadow of that one.
And Ravi Shankar, born in India, "free country" under the Brits. But one of the greatest musicians on this earth.
I could go on about great non-US musicians but it's getting late and I have a little sharpshooting to do before I crash.
So, what are Skunk suggesting? That his music is so dangerous for the Talibans that they would chop his hands off?
???
Oh no, that was in Chile, the right wing fascists chopped the hands off of the trubadours who sang for freedom. And played football with their heads, watched from the shadows by Thatchers good friend mr Pinochet.
So Skunk is pretty safe in his dug out in the desert, with his missiles and radar screens.
His music is pretty harmless for "the Evil Ones".
Posted by: hoops, I've heard some people say that Steely Dan is apolitical and I have to really disagree with that, although clearly flying under the radar with such statements is what actually makes their political messages more universal and timeless. With that in mind, it would be foolish to say politics can't be discussed as part of a Steely Dan fan discussion board. At the same time, few Danfans are equally deft at this sort of discussion. One reason this place was requested was that other forums had become inundated with political chest-beatings and rantings to the point where it had become tedious. Hassan and some others do a fine job of walking that fine line of discussing the political and social issues as suggested in SD songs, but be careful not to turn this into primarily a political forum. Maybe a site dedicated to SD political drummers and their beats is in order. Me, I get a little tired of it after a while and prefer to conduct the bulk of my political action in other venues and activities that are more productive. I find most political discussion in SD fan venues to be pretty unproductive.
BTW: One of the other reasons this place was started was that the person running a different forum would mock me for being excited about the regular updates of the SD CD catalog. So hey, just discussing the different remasters has my heart and blood invigorated in the best and most exhilarating way.
jim
Posted by: hoops, "Which Steely Dan CD versions are the best to buy?" is amongst one of the most frequently asked questions through the years. The problem was complicated by the use of improper masters by MCA in the late 1980s. One benefit of getting the "Citizen Steely Dan" box set is that fans were able to get all the then-SD-definitive 1993-period master upgrades in one neat four-CD package. (I won't go through the nuances of the multiple CD issues up to this time.) However, as Angel points out, there has been one additional batch of remasters of the classic SD catalog from the ABC/MCA years that was released starting in 1998 and was completed in 2000. These are currently the most up-to-date, best sounding. Additionally, you get a serial of Becker/Fagen essays with the CDs. There are a couple of caveats:
1) The first issues of the 1999 edition of "Pretzel Logic" again, like the first issues of "Citizen Steely Dan," omit the opening to "Rikki." If you get that, you can exchange it with UMG. I bet most of the stock is off the shelves by now; I don't know how you can tell before buying if it is a CD missing the intro.
2) Some first issues of the 1999 edition of "Katy Lied" have tracks switched around. I forget if this is simply the credits or the actually running order on the CDs. Again, you can trade them in for corrected versions.
3) There was a 2000 edition of "Gaucho" but there is actually a newer and better version. In 2003, a SACD ("Super Audio CD") of "Gaucho" was released. It also includes a newer and definitely better sounding CD audio stereo version of "Gaucho" that will play on most any CD player. It even plays OK and sounds better on my 1990 Sony Discman. Go for that one rather than the 2000 issue of "Gaucho."
4) Word from earlier this year is that a similar SACD of "Pretzel Logic" has been completed and others are in the works, although no release date is set.
I'd definitely keep the vinyl LPs since nothing beats their artwork in terms of size and detail. Also I'm not satisfied with the artwork on the 1999 edition of "Katy Lied" since it leaves off much of the artwork from the back of the LP, although it is an improvement over previous editions. However, as a listening experience, the CDs have it hands down. As for transferring from LPs to CDs, well that was was the problem with some of the late 1980s edition CDs.
jim
Posted by: Joey, " I think politics, while not the sexiest of topics, is relevant here. If you voted for BushCo, you voted for rednecks, for biblethumpers, for corporate world, for Enron, for Dick Cheney and the Reaganistas: all of which is, I assert, quite opposed to the libertarian, subversive, literary message of Steely Dan "
Amen !
Politics is VERY relevant to the world of Steely Dan because I would venture to say most FANS of Steely Dan are Liberal Democrats ( like your young Joeykins ) .
J. Fly !
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWell brothers and sisters of Greater Dandom, I have to express my sincere thanks to those of you who have offered advice re-my SD collection. The keeper of the vinyl can't help me much at that end so I've decided to throw my pennies into buying complete replacements on CD ...will have to be bit by bit, me-thinks, unless the box set is on offer. I'll check out Amazon, but also I have to take the off-spring as far as Singapore (from whence she departs back to the Dark Satanic Mills) in early September. Should be able to pick them up there....and CDs in Singapore seem to be considerably cheaper than other places. After that I will be able to spend my empty hours "Reelin' in the years"!!
If you're looking for interesting politics...catch Tony Blair's press conference today on CNN where he outlines the new measures in the UK to combat "home grown" terrorism. Living where I do I have learned that other cultures don't operate under the same system of logic and integrity as we in the west like to think we do. Finally that's dawned on the "powers that be" in the UK and hopefully they'll start getting very tough with those who like to bite the hand that feeds them.
I'm not familiar with American politics, so much of what is being said here today is going over my head. All I can say is that I threw away my Kaftan and beads in 1968. In 1991 I owned a small travel agency employing 3 young staff. I nealy had to close it down because Goody Two Shoes in Iraq invaded Kuwait and no one travelled for 4 months. I've learned through bitter experience that if you don't stand up for yourself and what you believe in, someone will dump all over you! I'll finish up with 2 quotes from Jeff Baxter.....no matter what you think of him, consider these words:
"The bottom line is that I really love my country, I'm extremely lucky to have had success as a musician, and only because I live in a free country was I able to do that."
"When the Taliban started cutting off the hands of musicians, that's when I got involved. "
Ann
Posted by: Little Wild One, - 1 yr. right wing hooey mateOf course, I miss you, HeyMike, in spite of your politics.
In fact, I'd like nothing better than to journey to your fair city to see Mike McD at the Navy pier next month. But seeing how I just got off tour, do you have a spare couch?
Did anyone happen make it to McD's San Diego show last night? Heard rumors that TSD was playing a post concert gig....always nice to catch up with that fine tribute band.
And Stevee, baby, I LUV-ed SoCal so much that, deity-willing, a return trip is surely in order and MUST include a Pretzel Logic gig. Keep the leopard print fez warm for me, K?
Posted by: hassan, orwelllianaCheney has meetings with Enron execs at the White House. BushCo is the rednecks, the corp people, the cops and judges: all opposed to the libertarian and liberal types of thought espoused in Dan lyrics and in their complex, subversive music.
CowboyMike and Alkali: you ought to toss the Steely Dan (name from a Bill Burroughs book, remember?-- who, however radical, perverse and misanthropic, never was a Republican: the dixie GOPers more than happy to deny rights to, if not arrest, queers like Burroughs) and yr gee-tars and even the Mike Post or Jefe "Snitch" Baxter CDs and enroll in Police Academy: you sound like prime narco-snitch material.
Posted by: HeyMike, chi-townNice try LWO--miss me?
BTW hassan--the shanagans of enron, worldcom et al all took place during the Clinton administration. The conduct and policing of public companies falls under the federal goverment. Kenny Lay gave more to Bill Clinton then he did any of the Bush's...That rhetoric is soooo tiresome. Enough already.
Posted by: angel, Ann: My vote is for the remasters from 1999. Great sound and great liner notes to read.
Though I do have a soft spot for the way Citizen plays. Lots of music on each of the 4 CD's.
Posted by: hassan, orwellvilleYou don't know jack about politics, about economics, or what this band was about. People like Bush and his Reaganista cronies are responsible for one, insane drug polices, the Patriot Act, for policing the internet, and also for the Enron scandal and any number of other corporate crimes. The rightwing Supreme Court just voted to outlaw medical pot, even though millions of people voted it in (the conservatives with help from the "liberals" also overturned laws protecting private property in the name of "eminent domain"). And the arguments offered by BushCo in favor of the iraqi war are rather debatable (no WMDS, no ties to Al Qaida). Bush would have public schools become Xtianized, and he and his cronies have no problem overthrowing the secular Constitution and replacing it with theocracy (look that one up).
Read the lyrics to "Black Friday" or "Book of Liars" or Bodhisattva for that matter, and then go back to your Mike Post site, or maybe Jerry Falwell. Even read a Pynchon novel in your life? DO that also and then start over. (maybe ingest Naked Lunch too ..and send a copy home to Mama, champ).
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAnn:
I have to say that, if money is "no object" then I too would go the "Re-Masters" CD route.
If, however, you are like me and fiscally challenged ( :-) ), I would repeat my earlier suggestion.
Good luck anyhoo!!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCANN: the re mastered box set is without a doubt the way to go.
Youíll pay a bit extra for it but, it will be worth your while.
If you can find it the re mastered soundtrack to ìYou gotta walk it like you talk itî
Is yet another fine recording, its pre-Steely Dan but, a very good recording (A diamond in the rough.)
As far as downloads go, Iíve found that the sound quality is only as good as the equipment used.
If you are interested in ìYou gotta walk it like you talk itî I think I have the record in storage, Iíll mail it to you if you like.
FACW: itís interesting that Larry Carlton/Post/James did all of that TV sound tracking back in the 70ís shortly after Carlton recorded his best non-Dan material.
ìRoom 335î I think it was entitled was very good and featured the two handed fret work that Eddie Van Halen later exploited and made famous or should I say infamous.
Carlton at that point was at the top of his game, I donít know what happened to him.
HASSAN: youíre what I call politically retarded.
You havenít a clue as to what you are saying. Because you havenít taken the time and effort to figure it out, you only parrot what CNN and MTV tell you.
By the way you are presumptuous in claiming that we are hippie turned conservatives.
Iím 22. You on the other hand are a hippie turned hippie.
I think it was Churchill that said ìIf you arenít a liberal at 16 and a conservative by the time you reach 30, there is something wrong with youî
It is high time you grow up.
And you have all of this left over anti-establishment anger that you donít know what to do with.
ìCorporate pigsî like Dell, Sony, and Bill gates are enablers. Capitalists.
They worked hard and earn what they have.
I worked very hard to get to where I am today. I make a very good living and am not ashamed of it.
Iíll give you a quick lesson in politics:
Capitalism entails that people are free to keep the money they earn, and that markets are efficient and open to customer demand. In our current systems, the government diverts a large part of societal resources to projects chosen and administrated with political motivations instead of private demand or initiative. Capitalism permits countries to attain higher levels of life, lower poverty, and cultivate a culture of initiative.
On the other hand you socialists believe in government control, collectivism and no individual rights.
Do the math.
Unfortunately I donít think that any of this will sink in, no doubt do to a combination of Woodstock mud, Immanuel Kant and bong resin.
Peace
A
Posted by: hassan, thanatopolisI think politics, while not the sexiest of topics, is relevant here. If you voted for BushCo, you voted for rednecks, for biblethumpers, for corporate world, for Enron, for Dick Cheney and the Reaganistas: all of which is, I assert, quite opposed to the libertarian, subversive, literary message of Steely Dan, or at least SD before they went Vichy (i.e. EMG). But even the Vichy had some taste, something the GOPer's surely lack (whaddya wager Dubya Bush listens to like Toby Keith, if not medleys from the The Sound of Music ...o Laura darlin,' spin Edelweiss again )
Posted by: Little Wild One, the no politics zoneAnn, get the remasters on CD. Do those music clubs ship to Brunei? That's how I enhanced my collection a few years ago.... You might also seek to contract with a certain Aussie pal who may be able to help you out for a nominal fee.
Kids, I hate to be a killjoy, but can we quell the political banter before it gets out of hand? Live and lt live. Namaste.
SOH, write when you land, brother. Say good-bye to Hollywood....
Posted by: HeyMike, Chicago looking for that monkey womanName calling? Personal insults? That's all you guys seem to have left these days. Yikes!!
Posted by: Rajah, Actually, I'm more the shy, retiring, quiet living type. I think deep thoughts. I'm sensitive. I enjoy jasmine tea and aroma-therapy. You misjudge me.
Posted by: hassan, orwellburgI think the MikeMeister's more yr style, rah-jah, since you seem more into the fratboy par-tay scene: maybe you could like swill some Bud and listen to Louie Louie or the best of Mike Post while watchin' some Hooter's videos
Posted by: Rajah, That's funny, Mike, cause you kinda scary 2. But I think hassan might be your match. Separated at birth perhaps? Your rhetorical styles are complimentary in a strange way.
Stevee's outfit rolled out the memories last night. The debut of "Fire in the Hole" sounded like they'd been playing it for a while. Great tune, I hardly ever have listened to it much, I don't think it's reaching to say that it's a problem track, the lyric somewhat ungainly, its ease of movement restricted by design I guess to fit that disjointed, staccato atonality. My own limitations I suppose cause it rocked and moved well as rendered by the PLB, it had all these criss-crossy, ragetty layers. This composition is a progenitor of I Got the News, it struck me, the horn chart as arranged by Steve textbook contrapuntal cacophony. Whatever, it was quite effective and PLB continue to delve deeper into the catalogue. Listening now to that piano part again, it's the heart of the song, the instrumental break with all those Joplinesque touches, then a kind of plucky harpsichord feel in there, wow. The piano part is whacky, wiggy, what are those, Steve, minor 7ths all over then those 3 or 5 major chords under "Am I myself or just another freak," which I believe is the heart of the song. Bravo.
Thanks to the PLB, Gil and W1P for the fine company.
Posted by: True Companion, Ann, I'd suggest leaving the vinyl where it is and picking up the remastered CD versions instead. The remastered versions of "Countdown to Ecstasy," "Pretzel Logic," and "Aja" are excellent, and the remastered "Katy Lied" is far better than the previous vinyl AND original CD releases. All of them are major improvements over their counterparts on the "Citizen Steely Dan" box set as well. You might have to hunt around a little to find some of them, but it's definitely worth the trouble. Hilarious Becker/Fagen liner notes are another plus -- something you won't find on your old LP's.
Posted by: hassan, orwellvillea lot less scary then say BushCo, our drunken Redneck in Chief, or Rumsfeld, or old CIA man Cheney, or their sexy ethiopian maid pulling the strings of world politics
Posted by: HeyMike, Red County IllinoisHassan
You are ONE scary cat...
Posted by: HeyMike, Red County IllinoisAnn--try Ebay--great deals there--i get a version there now and again-when I wear one out!
Posted by: YGK, nycAnn:
take your records and cds to a duplication house, where they will have a great turntable and cd.....
then allow them to clean and your records and make dupes of all to dvd, where you should be able to get all or most on 1 or 2 discs.......depending on recording medium length.....
just a thought....
ygk
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAnn:
Get someone to upload all your vinyl 'Dan albums onto the hard drive of their computer and then burn them onto CDRs for your listening pleasure :-)
The technology to do so is readily and cheaply available I think.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoAdvice required:
Ok all you SD experts/techno freaks, a little advice is needed here please. I have all the pre-80s SD albums on vinyl sitting in a big box at a friend's house in the UK ....but even if I had them here, I don't possess the "technology" to play them any more. I do have 2 compilation sets and 2vN and EMG here on CD, but I'm really missing connecting with all of SD's work.
Question: Do I buy Citizen Steely Dan or do I just get the whole set of albums on CD?
(NB: No consultancy fee will be paid for any advice given!!!!)
Posted by: Rajah, exciting and newNext time you're cruisin thru TV Land and hear the theme from "The Love Boat," check out Victor Feldman's chops on that toe-tapper.
Posted by: hoops, justr breezin' thru on the quickProvocative writings, Hassan, Raj, others/all. Question for Hassan. I've noticed at least a couple of times you refer to "Fagen's lyrics." Do you mean his solo lyrics or do you think Fagen writes most of SD's lyrics or something else? Just wunnerin'. THANKS!
jim
Posted by: FACW , Alkali: Carlton co-wrote the Hill Street Blues theme, which garnered a couple of Grammys. I had forgotten about the "lost" Taxi tapes - it's kind of cloying with just the Bob James keys - would like to have hear it with Carlton
Posted by: hassan, orwelliana
You are sadly mistaken if you think that SD supports or is aligned with the Republican party. Were that the case I'd pitch my CD collection, and petition the freaks to change their name from a Burroughsian dildo (discovered in that not-exactly conservative novel Naked Lunch) to like the Fagen-Becker Band. I'd agree that there is a libertarian-in-the-good-sense aspect to SD; the libertarian in favor of decriminalizing drugs and victimless "crimes" (e.g. prostitution), and opposed to a police state, either marxist or theocratic (i.e the ones that red state fundie-morons want to establish). Yes, there is a sardonic anti-establishment aspect to Fagen's lyrics, yet I wager F & B would support higher taxes on the corporate pigs such as Gates or Dell, Sony Execs etc., and are not exactly lockstep neo-cons who think the US military and Walmart are earthly representations of Christian goodness.
It always amuses me to hear ex-hippies or freaks-turned-conservative fools (i.e. Jeff Baxter) go on about the evils of the democrats and the leftists (who they used to hang out with until making some scratch or getting approved for a home loan or whatever). The right-wing--Reagan and his cronies--were the ones busting the old 'heads and drug users (including not only deadheads but jazzy-beat types); and though we may not support multiculturalism in all of its forms, the Dan were willing to acknowledge the genius of black musicians from Ellington to Parker and Miles, and the R n B types. The current democrats may be rather confused and sentimental (a Nancy Pelosi is as scary as say a Schwarzenegger in ways), but they are not nearly as low as biblethumpin' idjits such as Tom De Lay or any dixie moron you care to select.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCMike Post's Hillstreet Blues and Taxi's "Angela" both featured Larry Carlton on guitar the latter was never played in full on the opening theme.
my prediction is that DF's solo record will be pushed back atleast 3 months(judging from experience)
Mr. Lapage: i am also a proud conservative who digs the Dan and i am smack dead center and in the middle of a blue state and city(NYC)
and i have to deal with these liberal morons on a daily basis!
so, hang in there.
Josie: Libretarianism is not my cup of tea either but,it beats libralism any day so, i'll cut you some slack for trying(i'm sure your heart is in the right place)
as far as SD being liberal, i can see it. although i don't put any stock in it.
just like George Carlin being a good comedian until he begins politicing so are SD good to listen to until and when they rant about what they know nothing about.
Peace
A
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfThere are two different solos, both of whom have that Carlton-influenced tone to them, but only the second (and most popular) one features his style of vibrato. The guitar solo didn't show up in the theme until 1975, so that's right up his session-gig radar.
Then again, that's the right time period for a hundred other session guys who come from the same background, and have relatively the same skill set.
Posted by: FACW , D&W lean libertarian/ good-natured, sardonic liberalism without the Lennon starry-eyed Imagine, and All You Need is Love crowd. Only a Fool would Say That. They are the Countermoon for the hippies, and pretty much whatever is/was the status quo within their age group or concurrent political horizon (e.g., Nixon).
DF: "I mistrust my peers" EMG DVD Vegas taxi promo
I really don't care much about their political leanings or personal lives - I just dig their music and razor-sharp view of the human condition.
I have no clue where the corporate stuff comes from, given they were broke spending their last piasters on recording time & gear & musicians until Aja and Irving Azoff pulled them out...although I can say that because SD uses the pop song as an idiom for exporing a myriad of characters on the losing side, and not their own personal lives and experiences (outside the solo albums), ex-hippie critics have never been warm to them. Also, besides R&B, SD pretty much ignores all music made from the Beatles on, particularly white people. They admire the elder greats of jazz and have integrated those principles into a rock.R&B format more seamlessly than anyone. Oh yeam the PRACTICE - ex-hippies loathe that. Not spontaneous enough.
Paul: I wish I had a definitive answer. I heard years and years before public internet that Carlton was the solo-ist. Mike Post can play guitar, but not like that. Sure sounds like Carlton string bending on a 335. A snarly foil for the goofy synth theme. However, I have not though found ANY documentation on the 'net regarding WHO the guitarist is.
Posted by: Rajah, Not so Webster, merely pointing out the inaccuracies. Negativity has nothing to do with it, I mean, a mistake is quite simply that...a mistake, nothing more nothing less, I have no axe to grind over Friedman.
The late Cornelius Bumpus first appears on the 10th Doobie brothers album, One Step Closer. That's an error of nine years and nine albums.
And if Pixeleen had been played in rotation on the '03 Tour, then I must have jumped a turnstile back there somewhere.
Seems to me your credibility is heavily influenced by your accuracy.
Posted by: Webster, not BKLYNRaj- Mr. Friedman may have gotten a few (non important) facts wrong but over all he was right on! It's sounds like you were looking for a negative review. If that's the case, you can always read what Peter Q thinks of Steely Dan.
When are you people ever going to learn? Whenever Donald and/or Walter announce a release date of a new album, it's ALWAYS 4-12 months after what they say it is. With that said, my prediction for DF's new one is.....
May 16th, 2006
Posted by: Ann, BorneoPeter: If only!!!
Fun and games in Brunei tonight....the US navy has just hit town!!! Never seen so many guys over 6ft tall!!! Last year when they came, the ship's rock band played a public performance for us...it was the highlight of the year!!! Hope they do it this year too!
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban StreetsOh yes welcome Mr. LaPage--there are a few of us on here. Look at Skunks latest gig!! Hunker down and read the post! (Which people are doing more and more it looks like!)
Posted by: HeyMike, There Suburban SteertsHoops thanks for the shoutout! Rajah, thanks for the ringing endorsement!! Loved the pictures Hoops--Keith lives and breaths! Where are ya man?? Good to see Hat also and all the other characters- (Rajah you married up man for sure!!)
once you get out of Chicago and the misguided unions, Illinois becomes very red. Our party needs some leadership here however---or we can just have guys like Dick Durbin continue to say outragious stuff and selfdistruct.
BTW --Reely Dan plays this Friday at Porters Oyster Bar in Crystal Lake, Illinois. (Red County!)I'll be there!
Posted by: Peter et Cetera, ExeterAnn, are you 31 years old?
Damn, if I was 3 years younger and not married... is it a jungle out there?
Posted by: Ann, BorneoIs there nothing new under the sun??
Slightly off topic but related to a discussion thread from a few weeks ago....... I've just received a copy of a compilation CD I bought from Amazon US (because I couldn't find anything like it on Amazon UK)...it's called Rock Instrumental Classics (Volume 4 Soul). I was prompted to search for it by a thread in here about Soul music. Booker T, Mar-Keys/Bar Kays, Watermelon Man, and some good Latin stuff, etc are all there, but the 2 songs I really wanted were "Soulful Strut" by Young-Holt Unlimited and "The Horse" by Cliff Nobles and Co - both virtually impossible to get hold of in the UK when I was a teenager (here I go again!!). Anyway, my US$9.49 + p&p was very well spent. However, while driving along and listening to Capital fm (which we get live from London) I heard Joss Stones' new single....can't remember the title, but low-and-behold, the backing track is none other than "Soulful Strut"!!! Listen out for it!
Nothing new under the sun??? Only if you're a Dan fan!!
Posted by: SS, Sizzlin'
Couple of things from an interview published in MIX (Professional Audio and Music Production) online when EMG was released.
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'Did you record 15 or 20 songs or just nine?
Becker: We had two good tracks left over, along with some partial songs and false starts°K
Fagen: One was too slow and draggy. The other was too fast.'
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Anyone hear anything about these tracks - have they shown up anywhere ?
Also, this bit on bass playing....
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'On Everything Must Go, Walter's back to playing bass. It's kind of a return to the old Steely Dan days.
Becker: Yeah. It was a real flashback and I'd almost forgotten how much fun it was to play the bass and what a great job it is to play bass in a band full of great players. Actually, the reason I stopped was back in the L.A. days in the '70s, the players were getting a little too hot for me. I remember sitting in a room playing with Jim Gordon and Michael Omartian and Dean Parks, and I realized that someone else should be sitting in that chair, and his name was Chuck Rainey. Nowadays, Chuck lives in Dallas, so I've been playing the bass again, and what we're trying to do musically is a little different, so it lends itself to me playing bass again. I loved doing it. It was great."
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Long live Hey Mike say I.
Demented though he may be.
Posted by: moray eel, bluehoops:
Illinois is a BLUE state and HeyMike may be the only Republican left.
Posted by: MidnightCruiser, SeattleHi...I have been out of the loop for quite a while and have never really posted here before and am currently reading from April to present to catch-up and 'get to know' you all. Since my scroll bar is only an inch from the bottom, I obviously have a long way to go.
I am a huge SD fan and am a recipiant of a "Danny". (Though my name was conspicuously absent from the list.) But, dammit, I was in the limo...I swear!! Walter even walked up to me in the restaurant after tha last show to say goodbye to me after meeting earlier in the evening! (I bought him a very expensive bottle of Chamagne.) Don't ask me what he said...I was comotos...and drooling.
In fack, I think I had a mild aneurism...or was it an orgasm.....
In the mean time.....I would like to get any recommendations for music to see in the greater Miami area August 24th to the 31st. Anyone loosely affiliated to the Dan will do...preferably jazz..blues...or whatever. My girlfriends' 92 year old mother can entertain me for only so long and then I must seek stimulation elsewhere while she sleeps.
Gonna stop typing now...Take care and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again, Hugs,
Yours in the Year of Our Dan,
MC
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Hear hear, hassan.
Posted by: hassan, interzoneThe Dan may have corporate tendencies and occasionally a Celine-ish, slightly vichy vibe, but GOP'ers they decidedly are not. Perhaps they ain't soccer-mommy democrats either, but given at least some beat roots, jazz, and cyberpunk influences (Wm. Gibson is no rightist either), I think it's safe to assert that the Dan is liberal-libertarian, without the more sinister aspects of marxism or statism.
Perhaps they are anti-political to some extent and money-oriented (who ain't) but then there are, or used to be, quite political numbers: Black Friday is anti-capitalist as is much of The Royal Scam. Maybe they have become more nihilistic--EMG seems more cynical and morose than any previous SD work. But bitterness, loss, cynicism are not exactly the values of the heartland. Reading the lyrics to Janey Runaway I thought this could be the fantasy of the usual middle-management type of aging hipster thinking of the usual underaged-waif sex slave, but there's always that Fagenish irony, sort of Salinger-like or maybe early Pynchon (Steely Dan is a perfect soundtrack for Pynchon's first wistful, melancholy novel V). They transcend the pundit politics at least in the best cuts--Caves of Altamira or Don't Take me Alive or Josey are not exactly some cheesy fratboy party tunes.
Posted by: Still Sparkin', WAY deep into nothing special
Speaking of goofs...Chuck Rainey might take a little more time with names....
Some of the piece below will look similar to what's been quoted here before on what Rainey thought of working with SD and his place in SD history.
This was from his website (2000) on "The Making of Aja Reunion."
'The scene was spirited, playful and exciting while the stoic and mundane persona and personalities of 'Steely Dan' duo Donald Fagen and Walter Becker was accepted and overlooked and did not dampen our heart felled (sic) excitement in being there.'
'The musicians included Walter Becker, Donald Fagen, Bernard Purdie, Paul Griffen and myself. Also present and a contributing musician in the filming and recording was Paul (sic) Harrington, who was not an original musician on the project, but was a member of the Steely Dan touring band at that time. Also present were Elliot Reason (sic) and Roger Nichols, two recording and remix engineers that were regulars in many Steel Dan recordings.'
'Mysteriously absent was producer Gary Katz who was indeed the most important person in the success of Steely Dan recordings. He was the continuity director of personnel and held everything together with a watchful eye representing the record company, Warner Bros. Music. Although the songs written by Donald and Walter were exceptional in their apparent value as songs, Gary's experience with and knowledge of the ability, success and prominence of valued studio players hired, was the link that tied the project together.'
(Later, on not being asked to tour with the re-formed band)
'Personally, after seeing them in concert a few times, I would not have felt comfortable being there for many reasons; (1) Although Tom Barney is an excellent bass player and reader, and happens to be a good personal friend, I have yet to hear a clear bass part in the mix at the 'Dan' concerts. Since the bass is an intricate part of the 'Dan's' music, I would not like being on stage with them if they did the same to my playing on stage, (2) I'm not sure that I would have the same spirit energy musically, if a Bernard Purdie, Larry Carlton, Dean Parks, Steve Gadd, Victor Feldman, etc., were not also present on the bandstand and (3) I doubt very seriously that I would be financially accommodated to tour with them.'
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI wouldn't do that, FACW. Remember Oleander's contest to guess the date of 2vN? Half the contestants (probably including myself) picked either Don and Walt's birthday.
And I was serious about my question on the Yellow: did Larry Carlton really do that guitar solo on "Rockford Files?" I've been trying to find that out for years, and the Internet ain't helpin'. It certainly sounds Larry-esque, and as someone who Tivo's that show twice a day on WGN (save for when those blinkin' Cubs pre-empt it), I'm dying to know.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoYikes!!
Just realised I cut the "1974"...as if you didn't know!! But can it really be 31 years??!!
Pass me the pension book!
Posted by: Ann, BorneoFrom an interesting site:
http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/index.cfm?articleid=864
Today In Music History - Aug 3
3 Aug 2002
Guitarist Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter and drummer Jim Hodder quit Steely Dan.
Posted by: Rajah, Friedman has excellent taste. The errors are minor but notable. Put me down for January 20th or whatever proximate Tuesday. If Donald was a woman and never met Walter, he might be Carol Bayer Sager. We'll see how that Friedman hint plays out as to that collaboration, BTW, whatever happened to Steely Dan's rendition of "Carey" on the Joni Mitchell tribute from 2001/2002?
Posted by: FACW, Raj: Oh, believe me, there's the jaundiced eye roving and standard disclaimer alarms ringing in my head. The errors are not a grave concern, given the propensity of goofs within many articles directly and tangentially related to the Dan...even the Sweet book is rife.
There IS additional eyebrow-raising in that Mr. Friedman did also report in one of his columns a year ago that Dr. Fagen was collaborating with Carole Bayer Sager...who knows if they wrote songs together or if any will make his new one? ;) Friedman indeed has good taste though.
Dr. Fagen's birthday is Jan. 10th, and a TUESDAY. Peter, is that a synchronicity? - put me down in the pool for January 10th...of ANY year! OK, 2006.
...anyway, to coin the battle cry of 1060 West Addison Ave: Wait 'til next year!
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandDo we have any libertarian DanFans in the house - other than myself?
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.This is no political forum, I beg your pardon if my comments led anyone to believe SD is for left-wing lunatics only, however I do believe that would be a tortured reading of what I said about Drudge. Drudge is a sensationalist. But Don and Walt are no fans of right wing jingo, this we know. Nuff said, your politics are your own affair and you are entitled to your stripe be it hairy muffin or cosmic thunderer.
But Mu, Friedman is far from an expert on SD. His review has two glaring errors within it which no serious Fan o Dan would ever gloss over. Cornelius was not an original Doobie and SD never played Pixeleen on the '03 tour. So while I do not question but rather applaud the rest of what he posits there - as well as the very fortuitous cornering of the elusive Honorary Dr. Fagen last night at the Mike Smith benefit - he's far from an authoritative voice.
Posted by: hoops, Drew Carey is a Republican who is a huge Bush and Steely Dan fan. But really, to get to the red-state Danfans, you need go no farther than Hey Mike, of Chicago's far NW 'burbs. They don't come more Republican and Danfannish than Hey Mike.
jim
Posted by: FACW , Friedman's a Big Fan - found a review of Roseland concert:
Roger Friedman
9/15/03
Will Steely Dan Make ItÝa Grammy Repeat?
Two-and-a-half years ago, the iconic jazz-rock combo called Steely Dan won the Grammy Award for Best Album of the Year with ìTwo Against Nature.î It was their first and only Grammy in their 30-year career, and, though they are known as cynics who mocked the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for years, they accepted their statues with a certain ironic grace.
Now, the question is, to paraphrase their first hit: Can they do it again?
Steely DanÝóÝwhich is really just guitaristÝWalter Becker, singer/keyboardistÝDonald Fagen and a supporting cast of top-notch musiciansÝóÝplayed two of the best shows Iíve ever seen this past weekend at New Yorkís Roseland Ballroom.
The Saturday night show was so good that Becker, not a man of many words, actually exclaimed from the stage that perhaps it was his all-time favorite.
When the capacity audience of 3,000-plus, jammed like upright sardines from the lip of the stage to all corners of the cavernous, historic, seedy dance hall, started singing the words to the obscure Dan song, ìDonít Take Me Alive,î FagenÝóÝalso not one to show tremendous emotionÝóÝseemed genuinely shocked and bowled over.
With all this going for them, then, is it possible to win another GrammyÝóÝor even be nominated for one?
Their new album, ìEverything Must Go,î was released in June by Warner Bros. to mostly excellent reviews. The album should be up for Best Album. The title track qualifies for Best Performance by a Duo, Group or whatever.
With its intricate jazz composition, winning melodic lines and trenchant lyrics about corporate greed, ìEverything Must Goî is already the song of the year. In a perfect world, which would exclude illiterate rappers and lip-synching teenagers, Steely Dan would be vying for Grammys with Macy Gray, the late Warren Zevon, the Pretenders, Coldplay, Aretha Franklin, Annie Lennox, Luther Vandross, BeyoncÈÝKnowles and Wyclef Jean.
But itís a real world, so Justin Timberlake and 50 Cent are more than likely to squeeze in there and become spoilers for more deserving work.
Still, it was a great enjoyment on Friday and Saturday nights to see Steely Dan perform at Roseland. In their so-called prime, they were not a touring band.
After a disastrous run in 1973 opening for the Electric Light Orchestra, Becker and Fagen took the group off the road and never returned.ÝThree great albums ó ìKaty Lied,î ìThe Royal Scam,î and ìAja"ÝóÝfollowedÝto complement their predecessorsÝ"Canít BuyÝa Thrill,î ìCountdown to Ecstasyî and ìPretzel Logic.î In 1981, Steely Dan released ìGauchoî and folded its tent, presumably never to be seen again.
But in 1994, the Dan resurfaced. Fagen had put out two solo albums and, with the help of his wife, songwriter Libby Titus, fashioned the New York Rock and Soul Revue. The time was right to let Steely Dan go live. Several successful tours led to ìTwo Against Nature,î an album that lived up to the duoís reputation for twisted lyrics in songs like ìCousin Dupreeî with its tangy suggestion of incest.
The weekendís shows mostly ignored ìNature,î and concentrated instead a lot on ìThe Royal Scamî and ìAja.î In fact, the two-and-half-hour show began with the title track from ìAja,î an eight-minute-plus jazz opus that is probably the most complicated in the groupís canon.
Leave it to Steely Dan not to start a sold-out show with a hit or even something bouncy. But as Fagen said later: ìIt gets it out of the way. Then itís all downhill.î
The Steely Dan ensemble consists ofÝ12 or so players besides Becker and Fagen. The most famous is sax player Cornelius Bumpus, known for his work as an original Doobie Brother, which is ironicÝbecause singer Michael McDonald and Jeff ìSkunkî Baxter migrated from the Dan to the Doobies in the mid-í70s.
But the three other horn players are equally remarkable. Lead guitarist Jon Harrington, who stands stage left and a little separate from the others, was a star both nights. Twenty-five-year-old drummer Keith Carlock was so commanding I would recommend Pete Townshend pick him up for the next Who tour without question. And so on.
You can only imagine musicians with sweating palms waiting for their audition with perfectionists Becker and Fagen. (Carlock was overheard saying heíd had a couple of drinks on Friday night before the show just to calm down; Iíd be nervous to hear him sober.)
The shows were full of music, which is not something you might say these days of other acts. Nothing was sampled or supplemented. In the airy space of Roseland the horns melted like butter, the background singers sounded like angels and the guitars crackled.
Fagen perched at an electronic keyboard or wandered center stage while he sang. Becker knocked off some virtuoso guitar riffs and even got to speak-sing lead on two songs ñ the new ìSlang of Ages,î and the classic, story-driven ìHaitian Divorceî about a woman who returns from her Caribbean divorce trip pregnant with a localís baby and tries to pass it off as her ex-husbandís.
In the end, though, it was the stuff from ìEverything Must Goî that I really wanted to hear. Not just the title track, but also ìGodwhackerî (which hit a hot groove on Saturday night) andÝ"Slang of Ages"ÝóÝand I wouldnít have minded hearing ìBlues Beach,î ìPixeleenî and ìThings I Miss the Most,î all of which have been rotated in and out of sets through the tour.
The show was a hit, in every sense. The album may have been abandoned by Warner Bros., but hey, what album hasnít been? ìTwo Against Natureî didnít start out as a sales success until the Grammys bolstered it, and Iím sure the same will happen again with ìEverything Must Go.î
Posted by: FACW ,
Andy, Raj - My Google Alert, well...Alerted me to the Fagen sighting and theoretical release date...in January... as well
It's Summer in Brazil then! Well, all year 'round really.
Paul: Drudge site is largely a clearing house of news and editorial column links from a litany of writing heads including my favorite atheist Marxist Christopher Hitchens. Drudge writes little of the stuff. While it's safe to say he's no fan of the far left, I've seen plenty of article links slamming both sides. The objective is to post eye-opening headlines up there with links to articles from the NY Times to UK Guardian to Salon to Newsmax running the gamut Like saying Google.news leans left or right. It's part of my quick and dirty scan including UK Telegraph, Houston Chronicle, SF Gate, WSJ sites.
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, I get a sense from many posters that Steely Dan is a 'liberals only' band. Let me say loud and clear that I'm a conservative, and I LOVE SD!! Is that ok with everyone? My first introduction was Countdown back in '74, playing on parent's console stereo (you remember, the equipment that looked like furniture). I don't know where the album came from (probably my older brother), as I was 17 and it was packed with about 15 other discs in the little compartment between the turntable and the tuner. I played it once and didn't think much of it. Thank God I played it twice. The third time I was hooked. Then I went out out bought CBAT. We may not agree on policy, but so what. I don't even care what DF and WB's political leanings are.
And, that right wing hooey was a hockey player!!
Peace.
Posted by: Rajah, And I thought the pairing with REO Speedwagon on Reno 911 was out there.
Posted by: Steely Paul, Raj,
Sorry about that. It was Sha Na Na that opened for Steely not The Shangri-las....LOL
Posted by: hoops, Thanks to Andy and, oh, the so many other Danistas (and Donistas), who have posted and emailed and,..., about DF offering a release date for his next solo album. The optimist in me is upbeat about January and the curmudgeon in me places his bets on April. Yayyyy!
Uh Huh. Clever! :-) Also noteworthy you wrote "coalesce" instead of "curdle."
Be well, little buckeroos.
jim
Posted by: Interpreter, -all things being reconsidered - announcement forthcoming
Posted by: Rajah, I thought Ginger Baker had an ancient drug conviction issue that was clogging up the works.
Posted by: Interpreter, hereOr
Cream re-unites at the Garden in NYC this Fall?
Posted by: uh huh, just behind youDairy product to re-coalesce in the garden when the apples fall and the leaves turn.
Posted by: Postscript, I've heard other people connect Drudge with the GOP but I personally don't see it. Like today he has an article about how GW's August Texas vacation will be the longest Presidential hiatus in 36 years.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Now that's funny. Donald and Walter waiting to go on after the Shangri-Las crank out "Leader of the Pack." Strange. The Dan couldn't have been headlining back then...where was this?
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI go to Drudge 3-4 times a day, but let's face it, the guy is an absolute schill for the current administration. And his journalistic ethics are in the gutter. While I've established that, I don't mind acting as a Drudge-type and echoing the thoughts of some red-state friends who happen to share the same party affiliation and, um, sexual predilections as Matt -- he's a Log Cabin.
Friedman knows his stuff, and was rewarded during the 2vN blitz. Here's hoping Don's record company, whatever it is (Warner/Reprise?) treats him the same this time around.
Posted by: Steely Paul, Rajah,
Shangri-las opened for Steely Dan in 1972.
Posted by: Rajah, Drudge gets a bad rap, BTW. He simply culls out the most sensational and salacious stories from legitimate newspapers and bungs em up there.
I gotta believe Mary Weiss and the Shangri-Las opened for Jay & the Americans when Der2 toured with them, NOT Steely Dan, I mean, I don't think the Shangri-las were around in 72-73.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfGreat finds Andy/Rajah.
Friedman has also broken some news in his column about plenty of older acts that don't exactly send the MTV crowd's heart all a'flutter. As Andy said, forget the fact that Drudge routinely links to him, he's solid.
And Mr. Metzger, my gf keeps wondering why I keep visiting your site daily -- and it's not that (admittedly badass) picture of Donald on the front page. Gimme something new!
Posted by: Shangri-who?, ...for those of you who don't recall the Shangri-La group:
http://www.spectropop.com/Shangri-Las/
DF still has the mood and the moves, could this be at long last love?
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.An actual Donald sighting at the Mike Smith benefit:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164574,00.html
"My favorite moment of the night came not from the music, however, but from Donald Fagen, who was spending a rare night out on his own. We talked about his new album, due in January, which will be the third in a trio that began with "The Nightfly" and "Kamikiriad." First a woman approached him, leaned over me and spoke to him very quietly and knowledgeably. What did she want? I asked when she left.
"She was saying I looked good considering what I'd been through," he replied with a laugh. "For some reason a lot of people think I was in rehab or had some kind of drug addiction."
Just to be clear: That is not true (although Steely Dan's songs might make you think so). Donald Fagen is just a genius and a jazz snob who loves pop music. He even played keyboards on the big closer of the night, "Bits and Pieces."
But Fagen does have his odd guilty pleasures. When Asher came off the stage, a nice looking blonde in her mid-50s came over to say hello.
"I don't know if you remember me," she said, "but I'm Mary Weiss, lead singer of the Shangri-Las. We opened for you once."
Asher was happy to see her, but not nearly has much as Fagen.
"I had a terrible crush on you," he told Weiss, who said she was shaking as she met him.
Steely Dan has roots in the Shangri-Las. Go figure."
Posted by: Andy Metzger, Western hemisphereHey guys,
Haven't posted here in what seems like ages. Came across a morsel of news this morning concerning the new DF record: Entertainment reporter/gossip columnist Roger Friedman writes today that the new one is expected in January. This was apparently gleaned from a talk with Donald at a concert last night. Now, one comment at a social gathering is not an iron-clad release date, and we all know Donald's history of pushing back release dates, but - this is the first date I've heard thrown around, and it also shows that work is proceeding somewhat apace.
If you remember, Friedman was the reporter pretty much broke the story on the release of Two Against Nature (album title, track names, release date) in November 1999. Try not to hold his Fox News affiliation against him. He may be a gossip columnist, but he's got more credibility in my book than Brit Hume, Shepard Smith and Roger Ailes combined.
Here's the relevant part of the story (the whole thing is up at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164574,00.html):
My favorite moment of the night came not from the music, however, but from Donald Fagen, who was spending a rare night out on his own. We talked about his new album, due in January, which will be the third in a trio that began with "The Nightfly" and "Kamikiriad." First a woman approached him, leaned over me and spoke to him very quietly and knowledgeably. What did she want? I asked when she left.
"She was saying I looked good considering what I'd been through," he replied with a laugh. "For some reason a lot of people think I was in rehab or had some kind of drug addiction."
Just to be clear: That is not true (although Steely Dan's songs might make you think so). Donald Fagen is just a genius and a jazz snob who loves pop music. He even played keyboards on the big closer of the night, "Bits and Pieces."
But Fagen does have his odd guilty pleasures. When Asher came off the stage, a nice looking blonde in her mid-50s came over to say hello.
"I don't know if you remember me," she said, "but I'm Mary Weiss, lead singer of the Shangri-Las. We opened for you once."
Asher was happy to see her, but not nearly has much as Fagen.
"I had a terrible crush on you," he told Weiss, who said she was shaking as she met him.
Steely Dan has roots in the Shangri-Las. Go figure.
***
P.S. I've got some changes to my admittedly dormant web site coming
in the following weeks/months. Stay tuned.
Posted by: The King Family, UtahSounds like a lot more fun than our reunions. Bobbing for apples and buckboard rides is the thrill up here.
Posted by: The Johnson Family, O. St. Rt. 4 & I-275
Who are these children
Who scheme and run wild
Who speak with their wings
And the way that they smile
What are the secrets
They trace in the sky
And why do you tremble
Each time they ride by
Who are these strangers
Who pass through the door
Who cover your action
And go you one more
If you're feeling lucky
You best not refuse
It's your game the rules
Are your own win or lose
Throw out your gold teeth
And see how they roll
The answer they reveal
Life is unreal
Posted by: Rajah, fire in the holeHoops, that bachelor party was almost as whack as a certain hotel room on a Danfest Sunday morning. Johnson Family Reunion meets Danfest 05, result: whole lotta sinnin going on. The Rev. "Bishop" Johnson, so named after his Mama's prenatal inkling that her progeny was to be a man of the cloth, was preaching the devil like all get out early Sunday morning, the flames from the firey furnace literally lapping up at the congregation from Satan's smithy somewhere deep down below Cincinnati of all places. I stopped in for some spiritual guidance after being sent to the store by a woman's voice who reminded me to serve and not to speak and, shazzam, I got the news: seems there was, how shall I put this, an overabundance of jizzlin in the EZ by certain elements of the family Johnson and the Dannites the night before and now there was hell to pay.
Lord have mercy.
Posted by: Little Wild One, these suburban streetsIsn't that the truth......
Nice photos hoops and always good to swing with the crew. Missed ya Suedave!
So, when we finally got home from the OH-WV-PA-Vegas-Socal "tour" I asked the kids, "What was your favorite thing about the trip?"
Without skipping a beat, they both said that meeting everyone at the Danfest was their favorite part. Wow! That means y'all beat out roller coasters, water parks, riding horses and Knotts Berry Farm.
Of course, I tend to agree.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoJim: The lengths some chicks will go to just to listen to SD!!!!!
Posted by: hoops , One of my former students who gets the Dandom Digest responded to the bit about the Cinci Danfest by saying, "OK, Cool, but meantime here's what happened the same weekend at the bachelor's party you missed in Chicago."
http://www.drunkville.com/pudding (click the arrow in the lower right-hand corner when it loads.)
As you can see from the shots girls don't seem to care, and Tony assures me they played nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's favorite Steely Dan song.
jim
Posted by: Scat Van Rocktoven, No Fred, that's Stony Curtis and Ann Margrock, music provided by the Beau-Brummelstones.
Posted by: Fred Flinstone, BedrockHoops
Is that Betty and Barney Rubble doing the Swami Swing in Cincinnati?
Posted by: IvoryEd, Ivory Coast
Is that a whisker in my soup?
For everyone who couldn't wait to see Mike McDonald tuck in a napkin, put on a cheffy hat and slurp some soup from a spoon, your wait is over! Michael McDonald will be on the EMERIL LIVE on THE FOOD NETWORK TONIGHT!
He also is supposed to play some songs.
New MM compilation CD next week, too.
IE, 7.0
Posted by: angel, This all too Mobile Home Mobile THX anyone?
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/features/805thx/
Posted by: Alkali, NYCmy thoughts are w/you Michael Brecker.
HASSAN: You're off on that last posting...
Pynchon and Gibson?! i think not.
more like Dr. Buzzard's original Savannah band.
Ferlinghetti and his cronies spun in their graves at the release of EMG.
it's a sad set of truth's.
G-d i miss the old Dan.
Peace
A
Posted by: dude, ................yo what happened to the whores of Borneo post? Jeez, jus' when this joint was getting interesting. Steely Dan Sex Tourism Newsletter: keepin' it real...........she prays like a roman wit' her eyes on fy-errr
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWhat a terrible thing to have to deal with for his wife as well as himself. My step-dad died of a similar condition, but there was no cure for him. This condition can be helped with the right doner. They're looking for someone with eastern European, Jewish origins. I suspect there will be quite a few on the Jewsrock site, even our D??
Please everyone on the Blue, read this article and se if you can help in some way.
Ann
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKPaul:
Very sorry indeed to read that.
Hope he finds a compatible donor quickly.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI don't know if this has been posted yet, but Michael Brecker is having some issues:
http://quietfm.com/jcblog/?p=129
Posted by: suedave, finally caught upAwesome pics Hoops - wish I'd have been able to make it to Cincy to catch up with my some of my pals from the gang of 9, and beyond!
My fair weather car is vintage 1984. We've had a spell of sunshine here and I've been driving it quite a bit - and growing exasperated listening to the radio. 1984 is before they figured out how to keep a CD playing smoothly while hitting bumps and pothole on the road, my car is equipped with a 1984 cassette player. Wasn't sure if it worked or not, thought I'd give it a try. Rummaged thru a drawer and came up with one from the same year and gave it a spin. Brian Auger & the Obllivion Express, Glenn Miller, Duran Duran, NRBQ, Culture Club, Mose Allison, Rolling Stones, some stuff I swear I never heard (even though I made the tape). The highlights were a Doobie Brothers tune with Mike McDonald singing lead, and The Goodbye Look from DF. Thought it was going to be a frightening history lesson, but it wasn't too bad. Give it a shot yourself!
Anyone living in the Seattle area (or coming to to visit this coming week) check out what's happening on Saturday August 6th at http://hokumhall.org/ - a tiny little vaudeville hall in West Seattle. Let me know if I'll see you there!
Peace out...
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