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(New York City) Time Zone. Date: Fri, September 30, 2005, 23:57:44 ET
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SEPTEMBER 2005 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: Rajah, Oh goodness, bwaySteve, that was so eloquently stated, words fail, the grand troubador spirit lives on in you. I truly admire your gift dear boy, the way you poured your heart out in those songs is something from Cincinnati I will not soon forget. Singing them songs are their own reward, I don't expect many people will ever be able to understand that. So shine on you beautiful diamond.
Mu, Diana Rigg is the all-time paradigm of a strong, smart and sexy woman. So many guys of my generation regard her so.
Posted by: Doctor Mu, Raj: Diana as the Contessa Teresa Di Vicenzo on Her Majesty's Secret Servise ...meeeeeooooowwwww!!
The Onkyo DV-SP502 Universal player looks like manna from audio heaven. DVD-A, SACD, DVD-R, DVD-RW. MP3s, CDs, whatevah...
Under $300!!
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=4417630/search=onkyo+dvd+player/skd=1,
Posted by: hoops, Bway! That's it! The perfect title for what you do..."STEELY DAN TROUBADOR."
jim
Posted by: bwaySteve, Covering DanI am moved to check in on the Dan-cover discussion.I have been a solo acoustic performer, a troubador if you will.I was content to do a gig a month for a long time , teaming up with a fellow songwriter or two , putting up a flyer here or there to get a couple dozen audience members down to some hole in alphabetland so we'd be allowed back to do it another time.
I started to play Steely Dan solo acoustic on a dare by a co-worker who didn't think this folkie could play Josie.It felt so good to do it.It was a challenge but the best part for me was the realization that I could play my absolutely favorite music.I may not know as much minutia as the average poster genius here but I love the music as much as anybody .
In the music of Steely Dan I found a voice not much different from my own.I am a NY kid having lived in Brooklyn, Queens , Manhattan and in various parts of New Jersey.I have worked in Times Square most of my working life and the stories that Steely Dan tell are not too far removed from the stories I have personally lived , seen or heard.I pretty much fit the Steely character profile too. What I am trying to say is that I don't think what I am doing is latching on to Steely Dan in an effort to promote my ego.I feel this music is in some way a part of me in the same way it is in most of you.I have the good fortune of being able to express it outwardly .I have met many members of Steely Dan cover bands over the years and these people all seem to share a sense of pride in being able to manifest these vibrations and share them with others .This is hardly self-aggrandizement.
In the downtown music scene there is no shortage of self absorbed singer-songwriters.I get satisfaction from telling personal stories in words and music too but I get at least as much self-edification from performing the music of Steely Dan.It is one of the more unselfish things I have done with my talents.
Posted by: hoops, The latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering September 10-30, 2005.
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Posted by: Rajah, hobo - I have to admit, Dylan's career has been awesome...never thought he'd still be around and playing...
Steven - see you Sunday.
Posted by: Sarah Schicksa, New Yawk DeliO how vull-gar and ìcomme il fautî petite-bourgeois...
Posted by: hobo wire toaster, highway 61Watched the first half of No Direction Home on Monday night and did not much enjoy the earlier ballad stuff; when Bob and band kick into "LeopardSkin..." or "Ballad of a Thin Man"--nearly snazzy enough for Danoids-- the film starts to move. The jumpy montage was not bad, and his commentary was interesting though more band-music footage would have been preferred.
The interviews with all the old folk people were mildly interesting. They seem like decent people if perhaps a bit naive: the Pete-Seeger social realism roots of Dylan cannot be denied (and something like Masters of War is not merely some protest ballad) but Dylan moved away from that towards the Beats and rock and roll and that was mostly a good thing. That electric roadhouse sound of Highway 61 or Blonde on Blonde--that's what you might term "eponymous."
Musically he may be an opportunist or primitive, but he is some sort of performer-poet--even a bit of a dervish--not merely entertainer or minstrel; a Troubadour in the good sense, before troubadours were spewed out of the Ho-wood pop machine. Zimmy may have been an arrogant little freak--not so much now-- and the f-n harmonica mount around his neck is a bit ridiculous, but he's as much a beat-jester as musician: sort of a stoned, rural William Blake.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Buried Under Tax ReceiptsI wonder if "His Lordship" was referring to me when he used the name "Steed" ??
Rajah - I agree that Diana Rigg was quite the fever back then. Quite uplifting.
So if I'm "Steed", then what pack am I at the bottom of? If it's Steely Dan, their related musicians and the like, then I would say that being at the bottom of that pack would still be way higher than many other packs. And I would be extremely flattered to be included (even coming in last) in such an elite, immensely talented group. I doubt that I'm really worthy of inclusion in that group. In any case, it really doesn't matter. We're going to keep playing regardless. The crowd keeps growing and the number of gigs we get keeps increasing, so, something must be going right, even if it is not what "Lord" would like to see for me and my fellow Logicians. He's entitled to his opinion. It doesn't cause me a problem. In fact, it helps to keep me always aiming at improving what we do when we're out playing live. So "Lord" might actually be contributing to making the band better. Thanks so much my Lord.
And speaking of gigs . . . . . . . .
Anybody going to be down in Tustin, California this Sunday ?
PRETZEL LOGIC WILL BE PLAYING AT TUSTIN TILLER DAYS
SUNDAY OCTOBER 2ND 2:00 PM TO 4:00 PM
FREE ADMISSION, ALL AGES EVENT.
Visit www.pretzellogicband.com for details.
Come and see what it's like at "Lord's" bottom of the pack !!!!!
SteveeDan (A horse of a different color)
Posted by: hoops, flyin' thruAlk; Thanks for bringing up Mingus. Love the crazy guy to bits although I'm sure I'm just scratchin' the surface when I listen. Thanks especially since this tangentially reminded me that just this week, Monk with Coltrane at Carnegie Hall came out. This long, lost recording was just recently discovered, and, if I have my facts straight, is the only recording of the two together.
More details at Blue Note Records site ó http://www.bluenote.com/detail.asp?SelectionID=10459
NYTimes had a story on it several months ago when it was first found. If you have that new "TimesSelect" thingy, you can probably still call it up.
Back to Mingus: Of course, the Min(g)ions of Joni fans love her "Mingus" album from which WB selected "God Must Be A Boogie Man" as one of his Joni choices.
Sure I left some stuff out but I hope these tangents made sense in a 3.541 degrees of separation kinda way. Gotta run!
jim
Posted by: Rajah, Mrs. Peel, we're needed...Mrs. Peel was better than Steed, he couldn't carry her jumpsuit.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCI donít know how many of you dig Mingus but, Iíve been playing a tribute CD to him all morning that my cousin gave to me a while back (this is one of my cousins that introduced me to Jazz at a too early age which I hated and then gave me ëcount down to ecstasyí and told me to ìstart hereî, this was my first experience with Steely Dan) I am not a big Mingus fan, I think heís too way out there sometimes for me, he doesnít even sound like heís in tune for crying out loud!
Anyway, the tribute CD is called ìWeird Nightmare: Meditations on Mingusî And on it is a great Sax/Flutist by the name of Henry Threadgill. I dug up a British review on him, I thought the Blue might find interesting:
[His melodies tend to be stately and moving, sweet with a dash of sourness. Electronics are used to sustain the predominantly acoustic timbres, and Patton's breathy singing, on tracks such as I Am the Dead and Innocent Eye, Crystal See, is more like pop, evoking memories of Bowie's Low and Jim O'Rourke. The 19-minute Doorway to the Sun sounds a bit like Syd Barrett jamming along with the Shanghai Film Orchestra's version of Terry Riley's in C.
It's typical - you wait all year for a new Henry Threadgill album, and then two turn up at once. Up Popped the Two Lips (Pi Recordings) by Henry Threadgill's Zooid and Everybody's Mouth's a Book (Pi Recordings) by Threadgill and Make a Move are something of an event.
When I interviewed Steely Dan, the normally languid Donald Fagen suddenly became very excited at the prospect of going to a pub in New York to see Threadgill. His bandmate Walter Becker added that his playing was "a revelation". This was a surprise.
Talk to the Dan guys about jazz and they seem in mourning for the classic age of bebop, over a long time ago; most of their heroes are dead. Threadgill, seen as avant-garde in some quarters, is a good composer and a strong soloist on both alto sax and flute, but he is a long way from the groove-based, ear-friendly harmonies of Steely Dan.
J. L. Walters]
Have a nice weekend everyone
Peace
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Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Hey guys, back again.
I know this is a steedy dan site, but, no offence, the steed can never be as good as the originol.
But-this might cause even more offence-I think 'The Nightfly'and Kamakiriad' which Donald did ALONE where even better than the Steely Dan songs, sorry devotees.
And sorry to Steed, you're the bottom of the pack.
No wait-ever listened to Jeff 'Skunk' Baxters old band the Doobie brothers (or whatever it is)?
Don't.
Posted by: pu, Philippe
The story I heard (from a very reliable source) was that Deborah Berg quit the music biz shortly after the second Eye To Eye record. She ran away and joined some weird cult in Pennsylvania. This is no BS. I guess she finally came back to her senses and is making music again
Posted by: Rajah, Merci, Philippe, i had totally forgotten about Eye to Eye, very quirky and moody.
I dunno about that Fiona, Joey, is she still very very angry at people with the penis? I mean, honesty is a good quality and all that but...
Alkali, I remember reading that Italian review a while back, nice translation, BTW, but I found it incongruous that they somehow equated Josie with gang rape, I mean, the Romans didn't invent ritual prostitutes, accounts tell us they go back to the cult of Astarte in Mesopotamia or something, but they sure made a bundle at Temples of Venus all over the ancient world. The sexual mores in the Josie narrative are of that same ritual nature, there is no hint of violence or rape, I always viewed her as a matter-of-fact votress of the sex goddess providing a much needed service to the community. The fact that she enjoys her work is a plus. I find it uplifting.
Posted by: DVD-A Buyers, NYCIf you are in NYC, J & R had two copies of the Kama DVD-A in their special DVD-A section. If they aren't in the Fagen bin, look in the cardboard overstock boxes labeled D-G or something like that on the floor right below the bin.
If you are not in NYC, there's always http://www.rhino.com
Nightfly
http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=78138
Kama
http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=73782
Posted by: Philippe, PauHi there, a few days ago I told you there was a new Eye to eye cd, this is the press release
Eye to Eye
Release First Album in 20 Years
Scenes By A Wishing Well - single release - July 18th
Clean Slate - album release - August 1st
Anglo American 80ís duo Eye to Eye are releasing their long awaited, and highly overdue, third album.
Julian Marshall and Deborah Berg released their first two records in the 80ís and were met with massive critical acclaim for their clean, unblemished sound and quirky lyrical craftsmanship.
Now 20 years on, and with Rhett Davies (Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry..) in the producer's chair, Julian and Deborah have reunited to write and record Clean Slate - an exquisite collection of musical tales. With lyrics inspired by true stories and observations of life set to musical styles embracing old school R&B, big band, rock/pop, folk and bossa nova, Eye to Eye have delivered a sublime album.
The single, Scenes By A Wishing Well, leads the way telling a tale of a-day-in-the-life-of a busy mum, how to juggle the time, how to balance the demands and how to maintain a sense of worthÖ..
ìand not proof that as a parent Iím a lesser beingî
Ö.set to a smooth and smoky musical backdrop reminiscent of Steely Dan & Stevie Winwood coupled with vocal arrangements that work together to create a downtown sound that is instantly engaging.
Winding the clock back, to their pre-millenial history, Julian Marshallís first taste of chartdom came as one half of Marshall Hain with the international success of the single Dancing in the City, joining Flying Lizards for their Money period before meeting Deborah in San Diego. Deborah, meanwhile, had honed her craft as an improvisation singer and dancer performing on the West Coast and it was at one of these live performances that Julian heard her sing: ìI thought she was absolutely astonishing with such amazing vocal agility, simply stunningî.
Eye to Eyeís first album, Eye to Eye, was produced by Gary Katz and yielded the Billboard Top 40 single Nice Girls. After the follow up album, Shakespeare Stole My Baby, Julian and Deborah ìgot off the Eye to Eye bus prematurely, it wasnít the end of us as a duo, we were still work in progress and itís just taken a while for us to get back on boardî.
Now, armed with the experiences that only life can give them and with the musical compatibility that originally made them so unique, Eye To Eye returnÖand not a moment too soon.
Released through 12th Street Music
For more information contact: Republic Media 020 8960 7449 / info@republicmedia.net.
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Posted by: Alkali, NYCthanks Josey, i'll check it out.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCfound this review on an italian website, i translated it as best i could, thought it was interesting:
Aja (1977) ***1/2(out of 5)
A turning point, Steely Dan plunge full-fledged into jazz-fusion and make their music (and lyrics) much softer. Some take this as a high point, but to me it sounds rather diffuse and meandering. The songs really do go on too long, and I long for the solidity and (relative) straightforwardness of their earlier songs. That said, this is great mood music, and if I had more of a use for lounge jazz I'd rate this much higher. And thankfully, Becker and Fagen have shed the cynicism of the last album for a much warmer approach - the lyrics are humane, compassionate, nice. "Deacon Blues", the saga of a saxophonist who drinks scotch whiskey all night long, crawling like a viper through the suburban streets, is one of their absolute best, especially the refrain "They got a name for the winners in the world/I want a name when I lose". You could read an ominous hint of gang rape in "Josie" (someone did) but it's too buried to mean anything. "Peg" offers encouragement to a depressed runway model/celebrity with an unusual time signature. And this time around, the husband forgives his cheating wife in "Black Cow". Eventually I even learned to enjoy the nine-minute title track. This is elevator music, I suppose, but it's practically the pinnacle of elevator music - there's actual substance behind the loungey atmospherics.
the guy has the "cullioni" to leave out Shorter and Gadd's amazing solos!
Peace
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Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandAlkali - yeah, Fiona Apple - has some pretty decent tunes. One called "Shadow Boxer" that I've always thought had a really cool vibe to it.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoSkunk in benefit concert for Katrina victims
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/12764955.htm
Posted by: Rajah, suedave, some SACDs have encoded a second layer on there, what's known as a "hybrid layer" in straight CD format, those will play on a regular CD player but of course won't be able to read the high density SACD layer. Someone explained it to me once. What I'm lookin to get is a player that can read all formats, CD, SACD, DVD, and DVD-A, I think they're out there.
David Mamet is very Danish, loved Spanish Prisoner, State and Main, especially Heist with Rebecca Pidgeon, she ain't like Hollywood beautiful but she's darned sexy nonetheless. His masterpiece remains American Buffalo for me and that's filled with Dan characters. The screenplay for Wag the Dog was great satire.
I played The Yes Album last night, Tony Kaye was more rockin than Wakeman, that was a fantastic record. Then he went on to be in another Prog-Rock group whose name I can't remember, they were pretty good but only lasted a couple maybe three albums. Damn, I think I'm having a Pre-Senior moment here...
Baba Prepare Rockin-Chair Rajah
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThereís a person named Fiona Apple out there? Should I know this name?
You know, Mamet might be classier than his girl but, we ARE talking about his girl and not him right? Copeland and Ives, I fail to make the comparison/connection, letís keep the apples with the apples.
As much as I love Yes music, I think Wakeman is a more talented player than Kaye.
(Close to the edge is still my favorite.)
Heard a couple more cuts by Terramara; nope, nothing original here.
SS: I wasnít aware that I made slurs. by the way, I prefer the term Caste Selective to Racist.
Peace
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Posted by: tribute, tributelandhobo can talk. but can he play
Posted by: X, ...Nope. SD would not take Terramara to the cleaners because of their albums. And you know why? If not, you're stuck in even prehistoric versions of the ~Stepford Dan lol!!!
Posted by: suedave, PDTChecked out that Terramara sample - just about the entire 1st half of the clip sounded like a mix of sounds from various SD songs. The song did seem to take a turn into its own thing. After that clip, I went to hear what some of their other songs sounded like...from time to time some chord similarities to SD that are maybe just a bit too cozy...but overall the songs are not quite as freaky as that one clip.
I preordered Fiona Apple's CD due out on 10/4 from Sony (it arrived today, my today is 9/29 - note to self) - it is a dual disk - DVD and CD, neither side plays on my plain old CD player purchased in y2k. Guess I need a new one - darn! Gladly taking suggestions. Sounds like I might need to get serious about buying DVD-A's too.
January is just around the corner, right?
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYI was browsing through the music section at Best Buy the other day and happened upon the SACD version of Gaucho, mixed in with the rest of the regular old CDs. They had just one copy of it, but I went ahead and picked it up even though I don't have a SACD player -- the standard 2 channel stereo mix sounds a hell of a lot better than the 2000 remaster. But that's the first time I've actually seen an SACD or DVD-A format disc outside of specialty music stores. But yeah, if more of The Dan's discography was released on SACD, I'd buy a SACD player in a heartbeat. I've been VERY impressed by the DVD-As we've seen from The Dan/Fagen (all of them). Snowbound absolutely comes alive in 5.1 surround. It really brings a whole new dimension to music. Unfortunately, it's just not quite hit upon the mainstream yet.
Posted by: hobo wire toaster, Haiti of the mind....They got their Steely Dan t-shirts....
Mamet's thespian galpal a singer with Our Man Walt? Weird.
Glengarry Glen Dan.
I'll take literary naturalism for $200 Alex. Mamet seems like more of a Charles Ives meets Aaron Copland guy
Posted by: SS, HK
Tony Kaye on the YES keys, not patrick Moraz before Rick Wakeman.
Wakeman followed Kaye after the Yes Album (in time for Fragile), then gave way to Moraz for Relayer and returned to Yes for Going for the One.
This is not obscure.
Alkali...ditch the racist slurs.
Posted by: Lord of Consumption, United States of AmericaThe Kamakiriad DVD-A isn't available through Amazon, but a number of other online stores still stock it. Anyone know if it's on its way out of print?
Here are some places to buy Kama on DVD-A: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=kamakiriad%20dvd-audio
Posted by: ph, It would be quite a shame to see SACD and DVDA fizzled out, I already missed the chance to get Kamakiriad on DVDA from Amazon, they simply don't sell it anymore. But I love the poly-channel format. I'm listening to DSOTM right now and it's absolute bliss. One is completely immersed in the music, its not just in front of you, its not just in the background, its everywhere and it's beautiful. The mastering of surround sound audio is as much an art as the music itself; I think the Steely Dan engineers had caught onto that fact, but since there's no interest in it, I guess, what's the point? The difficulty and expense of setting up a surround stereo is usually too high for the average music enthusiast to be interested, I think that's been the major killer of this format; which is too bad, because everybody that hears my set up, which cost less than $100, is still wowed beyond belief.
Posted by: hoops, Oh yeah, so I posted this mental note earlier as I keep meaning to bring up SACD, DVD-A, etc.
Remember that there was supposed to be a SACD of "Pretzel Logic" completed? It was mentioned in a bried interview with Walter Becker earlier this year and it also said he wasóI thinkódoing CBAT next. I haven't seen anything else on this nor have I seen some other non-SD SACD's that were supposed to be coming. When I have been to stores like J & R in NYC and Rolling Stones in Chicago, I notice their SACD and DVD-A sections seem to be shrinking and it doesn't seem like these discs are being merged into the general CD bins.
I dunno about you, but I sense that the push for SACD and DVD-A in the formats of 2003 or so are getting less of a push from the record companies and that Dual Disc (one side CD and one DVD) is the darling right now. I know some Dual Discs have DVD-A included on one side and I suspect if EMG had been released in 2005 it would have come in a Dual Disc version as opposed to the double CD/DVD editon.
Granted SACD seems like it is not quite as amazing as DVD-A *but* I also still don't understand why Sony, the chief proponent of SACD, didn't included SACD capabilities on ALL their home theatre systems and stand alone players.
Any thoughts? News updates? Whatever?
Be well and play nice.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, the sincerest form of flatteryYeah, jeez at around 0:16 of that Terramara snippet, I hear the opening piano chords of "Dr. Wu," no argument, but I still don't think it covers the same melodic line overall, it strays quite quickly into different territory. Nothing like Gaucho does to that "Long as You're Living Yours" tune on Belonging by Garabek, Jarrett, Danielson and Christensen from 1974. Holy crap you listen to that and you're ready to dial 911 for Grand Theft, yikes, that loping piano and even the attack on the sax, clearly to these ears, larceny. The structures of the two compositions run along parallel melodic lines there. But I think you'd have much tougher road to hoe with Teramara's, Freedom.
Posted by: Unbeweevable, PeterQ knows how to use Google. How 'bout that!
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfThat Terramara clip is infuriating. Those mugs can justify it all they want, but they need to just join some crap tribute band with a bad pun for a name and get it over with.
And I don't want to hear anything about how all musicians steal from each other. This is nothing like lifting Chuck Berry or Willie Dixon bits that were stolen from hundreds of others. No other band sounds like Steely Dan, nothing even reminds me of them. The only thing anyone has been able to come up with in 33 years was that lightweight Crosby spin-off group he put together with his son, and I wasn't even buying THAT one. Allmusic.com's lists of like-sounding bands include disparate (but lovely) dinosaurs like Roxy, old Genesis, and the Doobies -- but nothing sounds like SD.
Terramara stole outright licks, actual piano and guitar riffs, for the shyte 30-second sample I just listened to. This is nothing like some rock band channeling the Dolls or Faces, this is just outright theft.
Pathetic.
Posted by: More Obscure Than You, Haight AshburyThe Anderson chick, right? Signe? And wasn't it Patrick Moraz?
Posted by: Rajah, Peter, that is what we have YOU around for, compendium of obscure musical knowledge that you are. But I bet you can't name the original singer in Jefferson Airplane or who preceded Rick Wakeman behind the 88s with YES...
Posted by: Obscurity Nation, St.LouisYou don't know that Wayne Shorter's drummer is Brian Blade????? Oh that's right, hwe never played with Steely Dan, no wonder, he's way too obscure.
Posted by: stuck in the rythm section, St. Louislong time reader/voyeur first time party-cipant. This is vagely dan-ish in regards to sidemen. Saw Wayne Shorter last night at a concert in St. Louis - University of Mo. St. Louis. He was backed by John Petitucci and a couple other guys, whom I cannot remember. It was a fantastic show. The quartet was backed by members of St. Louis Symphony Orchestra as well. Only five or six Shorter compositions, but every tune sizzled and was positively fascinating to watch the interaction of all on stage. What a fun night.
signed - sadly in the rhythm section.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.I have to disagree, the Steely Dan repertoire is the LAST catalog toward which a bar band looking for gigs would turn. The music is difficult, it's dense, it's challenging at every turn and very few people, players and audience, "get it" anyway. Some of these layered passages are even hard to hear, to pick up on. If you want gigs, you turn to Led Zep, Pink, Who, Doors, certainly not Steely Dan. The only reason for tributing, is that a word, Steely Dan is cause you flat out love it. Musicians love to attempt the Dan and the best of them find it quite a challenge, there's no "mailing it in" for anyone and if and when you F-up, everyone in the room knows it. Steely Dan is a high-wire act and woe to the player who goes up there unprepared cause they will be humbled.
The plagiarism thing is a very gnarly issue and not limited to a simple co-opting of a set number of bars. Here's how the Columbia University Law School Plagiarism Project would attack a piece of music were they representing the Plaintiff in a music plagiarism case:
"If I were to testify on behalf of the plaintiff, I must try to convince the court that the defendant took an economically valuable part of plaintiff's work. I will try to minimize the significance - economic or musical - of the differences between these parts. Because the disputed musical works are never identical I will need to "normalize" their melodies in order to compare them meaningfully. I might transpose both melodies to a common key, program the MIDI files to perform both works at the same tempo, at the same volume and with similar attack and with the same instrumentation. I might drop or add upbeats, change enharmonic spellings and flatten syncopated rhythms. These ministrations accomplished, superimposing the defending melody over the plaintiff's might help indicate how the essential musical expression of the latter work is derived from the former."
Posted by: pu, hobo says--"Woody's big band Charlemagne sounds better than the Dan original"
Yeah right.......Maybe Woody's version does sound better (in an elevator... lol)
Posted by: hobo wire toaster, Uptown
Tribute Bands are, let's face it, usually an attempt by some starving bar-band types to get some gigs. Perhaps Dan tunes have enough going on musically for some hot jazz cats to show off their stuff, but there is something a bit bogus about doing a Dan tribute: like Don and Walt are the shark and Tribute Bands are the remoras attached to their head.
So are you a shark or a remora?
Fagen's lyrics are his own. Better an instrumental thing as Woody Herman did in the late 70s--Woody's big band Charlemagne sounds better than the Dan original.
Posted by: hoops, So much of it has to do with whether the artist feels "homaged" or "ripped off," regardless of the second artist's intent. Isn't there some precedence or at least rule of thumb that where more than four chords or notes in a row is a tipping point?
I don't have time to write, but will post some thoughts/questions/obseravtions about future SACD releases from SD and others.
jim
Posted by: pu, A Fan- I read your post on the alt board as well. What's the difference between a "tip of the hat"/nod and a blatant rip off. It's true, if these guys were on a major label and put this out, Steely Dan would sue them faster than Jarrett sued Steely Dan.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThanks for the link.
Yacht Rock, Hmmm. I never thought of it as that. Iíll have to cook up some Dan next time Iím on my 40 footer, the little one, the one I call ëDinghyí. And then perhaps and maybe that ìYacht Rockî epithet will fit.
What these guys fail to mention before lumping them together with Kenny Loggins, Dan Hill and the likes is that Steely Dan isnít about powder puff love songs or overly sensitive relationship lamentations but about love and relationships gone wrong or gone sinister.
Wickedly cool renditions of everyday dealings with cryptic narrative.
Iíd like to tell these guys that Iím in my 20ís and my parents never had the Dan on in the car or anywhere else for that matter, Steely Dan was introduced to me via my older cousins, my parents were too busy listening to opera and classical.
ìHey Nineteenî or as they call it ëthe cuervo gold songí was never one of my favs but,
What warm and sweet message were they trying to convey with the line ìthe cuervo gold/the fine Columbian/make tonight a wonderful thingî?
Do I need to say it again?
Peace
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Posted by: Rajah, Yacht Rock?"Take, for example, Steely Dan, a band responsible for hits like "Rikki Don't Lose That Number," "Reelin' in the Years," and the aforementioned "Hey Nineteen." (Don't think you know that last one? You probably do. It's the "Cuervo Gold" song.) Steely Dan was a talented band. Those guys had some fiercely complicated arrangements, could orchestrate difficult tempo and key changes, and could pull off some sweet harmonies. Really, go back and listen if you don't believe me. And yet all this talent was in the service of . . . what? Advocating flange pedals? No. These songs were written in the name of smoothness itself."
http://www.clevescene.com/Issues/2005-09-28/music/music3.html
It's the heat of their cold white flame, stupid.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCIt sounds like these guys mated Dr. Wu with Aja and came out with a slanty eyed and yellowed version of Danny boy.
Is it just a coincidence or justice that their moniker means ëbitter earthí?
Itís a sound sound.
Peace
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Posted by: Due with Buzz, Four Blocks to HennepinDon't mean to insult anyone here, but when PQ talks about "Stepford Dan", it's exactly what came to mind when reading the comments about the Terramara music. If you bother to take a closer look in their history, or read whatever's available on this band, you'll learn they're not a Steely Dan copycat. Fact is, their bandleader's been on the Google Mailing SD list for years and he originally signed in at the time because he was curious whether SD fans would label their then selftitled debut album as reminiscent of Steely Dan.
This song Freedom was written as a tribute. And they're one of the few bands nowadays who deliver an entire album without a track you want to skip. They got plenty of rock edge and especially for Dan fans, this contemporary band should be ear candy. Lots of Steely Dan fans appreciate the sound, cuz it's crisp and coherent pop/rock music and songwriting. And if you listen closer to the other tracks of their first and second album, you'll know they're not attempting to steal someone else's thunder of decades ago!
Posted by: Keith Jarrett, Fan: LOL. Can we sue them, Dr. Wu?
Posted by: A Fan, USAI can't figure out who this sounds like, but it sounds strangely derivative.
http://www.terramara.com/discography/mp3/fourblocks/Freedom_sample.mp3
Posted by: Rajah, Rebecca is a great actress.
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoJust got a copy of Rebecca Pidgeon's new CD "Tough On Crime". The title track features some tasty Walter Becker guitar. He's only on the one track. Nice sophisticated pop. You may know her better as an actress (and the wife of David Mamet).
Posted by: ph, posting between the raindropsJust picked me up Sailing to Philadelphia and absolutely love the title track. James Taylor + Mark Knopfler together is absolutely beautiful.
And the album in it's entirety was perfect for the all day rainshower I'm in the midst of, very calming and serene (okay, I can't spell).
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Hello everybody
What do i think of Steely Dan? Hmm, well the number of insania-inducing drug references on some of their songs may not be co-incidence.
Still, Steely Dan are probably one of the most wise-ass bands around, and they do some pretty good stuff, even if Don and Walt can make their minds up about who does it...
Posted by: heymike, these suburban streetswatched my Aja DVD last night with a bottle of 3-buck-chuck and have the cd in the car today--nice !!!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCstill here.
i think people are taking it slow or just lazy.
i hope the wells not right dry.
speaking of dry, i hope all of you coasters are braving thru!
"The house on the gulf coast
These are the things I miss the most...."
Peace
A
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHas everyone died out there?? No new postings for 2 days!
Posted by: Zimmermann, Desolation RowBob D. could write a bit. Too bad he's so enamored of the okie-folkie harmonies. I'd rather just read his lyrics than have to listen to his voice or the twanging.
Hendrix's Watchtower or Like A R. S.
"He not busy born is busy dyin'."
(the latter)
Posted by: Alkali, NYCHey,
Donít forget to watch Scorseseís ìno direction home: Bob Dylanî film on PBS tonight starts at 9:00 EST (part 2 tomorrow night)
ìWell, I ride on a mailtrain, baby,
Can't buy a thrill.î
Peace
A
Posted by: Eric, Dallas, TXHi Guys -
Keith Carlock will be doing a series of drum clinics in late October/early November. Even if you're not a drummer, you'll enjoy his performance - You can see video of Keith in action at a clinic, check out his 14-minute solo from the Toronto clinic on his site's video page:
http://www.keithcarlock.com/video.htm
The dates and locations are below, and complete information can be found on Keith's website:
http://www.KeithCarlock.com.
Hope you can make it to one of the clinics!
Thanks!
Monday, October 24 - The Drum Shop - Portland, ME
Tuesday, October 25 - Peeler Drum Center - Toledo, OH
Wednesday, October 26 - The Music Loft - Greensboro, NC
Thursday, October 27 - Carls Music Center - Lexington, KY
Monday, November 7 - Georges Drum Shop - Cleveland, OH
Tuesday, November 8 - Huber & Breese Music - Fraser, MI (Detroit)
Wednesday, November 9 - Drums2go - Orlando, FL
Thursday, November 10 - Memphis Drum Shop - Memphis, TN
Posted by: hobo wire toaster, I-5 heading north
Nice big slice of Fagen/Becker manga--not for the squeamish. Is there anyone who questions the authenticity of this? (found on notes to a Dan website regarding The Royal Scam)
"It was the hippest of times, it was the squarest of times - mostly the latter. And while it was certainly true that we found ourselves in the unenviable position of being labelmates with the likes of Tommy Roe and Freddie Fender, we yet aspired to see our own names written on the stars alongside the greats, near greats, and ingrates of jazz, funk, and/or rhythm and blues, depending. The dim half light of near-quasi-celebrity in which we basked notwithstanding, as the seventies wore on, we found ourselves feeling kind of empty inside - as though driving home from a sodden one-nighter with some eminently forgettable made-for-TV-movie queen, say Sharon Farrell or even Susan St. James. Blinded by the as-always-too-bright L.A. skyscape, at once faintly hungry and vaguely nauseated, we switch on the scratchy car radio to soothe our weary psyches, and lo - we are mocked and assaulted by the tinny bleat of our own recorded music, its every flaw hideously magnified, its every shortcoming laid bare. O cosmic hipsters, flipsters, fingerpopping daddies - ye mighty gods of jump music - why hast thou forsaken us? Well, probably for lots of good reasons, both known and unknown, but we come away from this soul wringing thought experiment convinced of two things - 1) this town is Going Down With The Beast, and 2) these L.A. cats are making us sound like a couple of goddamn pussies.
Having recently relocated in the 457 zone (that's out Malibu way, babies) and as we began work on a new collection of fresh and ultra-hard-hitting material designed to redeem ourselves on the public airwaves, it so happens that on a certain magic night both of your humble narrators had strangely similar precognitive dreams involving a) the Brill Building, b) Larry de Tourette, doorman/mascot of same, and c) fear of lifetime employment at Colony Records, located on the ground floor of same. Even allowing for a brief cameo by an unidentified pair of teenage Eurasian deaf mute babysitters towards the end of Act 3 (Becker) or an extended scenario involving amateur theatricals, a tank of nitrous oxide and a snooty upper eastside middle school for French girls (Fagen), the effect of these apocalyptic visions was much as though we had both drawn "The Hanged Man" during Bard College stoner seance on All Hallow's Eve.
In other words, we were, according to these distressing prognostications, well and truly fucked - unless we took heed and reinvented ourselves on the streets of the City of Class, and pronto.
A period of research and reconnaissance ensued, the chief purpose being to determine a) who exactly played the drums on a certain Laura Nyro record (Bernard Purdie? Herb Lovell? Artie Schneck?) and b) whether the EMT echo chambers at A&R Studios on Seventh Avenue were still the grandest in the land. Was the roast beef still rare, the corned beef lean, the skies still blue, the cab drivers loony - in short, did they remember us still on the Great White Way? Was it possible for food to taste other than it did at the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset Boulevard? Or was it too late for us to reclaim our rich cultural birthright as citizens of the Greater Metropolitan Area? The results of our inquiries were encouraging. Passages were booked, leaves taken, rhythm charts passed around, and the rest is musical history, of a sort (see enclosed CD).
Fast forward to mixdown, back in L.A. Comfortably configured in our customary listening positions at ABC Records Studio C, we find ourselves feeling all fat and sassy. Seretonin receptors sipping at a seemingly inexhaustible supply of whatever, we feel as though we are strolling down a realer-than-real virtual Broadway, past the City Squire and on into the groovingest Broadway nightclub you can ever imagine, with the bugaloo band of your dreams up on the stand wailing away. Instead of the usual make-mine-vanilla scrubbers, we find ourselves rocking out to the soul-stirring sounds of some fiercely funkadelic and deeply righteous Bernard Purdie grooves, Chuck Rainey bass lines, Paul Griffin piano riffs, and the like. Here comes a guitar solo - Larry Carlton, no problem there. Don Grolnick keyboard vamps so solid you could set your watch by them. Background vocals, blaring trumpets, wah wah guitar solos, ha-ha lyrics - it's all there. Our happiness at this particular point in time would be ultracomplete save for one thing - namely, we have not as yet found a cover shot for the album. None of our much-prized souvenirs of Springtime in the Big City - gold faucets from the St. Regis, Polaroids from the Metropole, sixpack of thick terry bathrobes with various hotel monograms, empty pack of Delicado Olivados, hecho en Mexico - our copious stash of colorful Big Apple swag leaves us still wanting for suitable thematic material pertaining to the desperately needed cover art. Luckily for us, we are in Los Angeles where, more than anywhere else in the known universe, bad taste abhors a vacuum, and before long we find ourselves staring into the maw of the most hideous album cover of the seventies, bar none (excepting perhaps Can't Buy A Thrill). Why are those buildings turning into reptilian horrors, or vice versa? What squalid back alley of the human condition is meant to be invoked by this contused nightmare palette? What manner of man - ill-shod, unshaven - dares sleep peacefully through this fearsome and repulsive protomorph?"
(to be continued)
-Donald Fagen & Walter Becker, 1999
Posted by: DancePolice, onthefloorNo, your are incorrect, l'il Crack.
Nobody wants you to dance.
You can dance about as well as well as Kanye can contruct a sentence, maybe worse.
"Stand Back! Off the Floor! Don't wanna see your face no more!"
go home, Joan, and climb in your crib (you can eat without a bib)....
go home, Joan, and climb in your crib
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"IGY" was on the Simpsons again last night. Beautiful song, lifts me up every time I hear it. It makes all the crap we have to go through just to get to moments like that worth it.
Chrysler, all new music sucks. Horribly. Without reflex. And yet, I'd rather listen to Kanye then the Mayer/Coldplay/Norah crew of nerds. At least Kanye wants me to dance.
Posted by: heymike, These Suburban StreetsLWO--happy you're okay. Looks like your local officials were on top of this one!
Posted by: Little Wild One, de-fencelessThanks for the positive vibes. Lost power, a fence and a lot of tree limbs, but otherwise fine. I have to say I am afraid I would have been in jail for homicide if I would have tried to head out of town...30 miles in 10 hours? Forgeddaboutit. Huge waste of time and resources. IMHO, scattered local shelters would have served the general public better...there were some, but they were secret secret places of last resort....
The new Stevie Wonder does sound good. Thanks for the tip. Need some new stuff on the traveling Ipod.
BR, send me your new address. Brady is my QB, but Big Ben my back up...choices, choices. Lit it up with LT and Steve Smith. Guess I gotta ride the fence on this issue...once I get it back up, that is.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCI hope everyone is doing alright on the coast.
I heard Sneakers rendition of ìDonít let me inî over the weekend at a mall in Connecticut.
Do retail managers pass along the same looped tape to each other to blow out over the speakers late at night in dark and empty parking lots or what!
Hmmm, Stevie Wonder and Donald Fagen together at the Grammyís Grand Piano playing and singing alla Wonder and McCartney doing ìEbony and Ivoryî
Only this time weíll need to Funk it up a bit maybe Jazz it up a bit here and Swing it a bit there, you know, a revamped version that great classic for the brand spankiní century, how bout
ìAshen & Ashyî
ìChalky & Chocoî
ìGhost & Spookî
ìMilky & Nattyî
ìÖ.liviní in perfect harmonyî
Peace
A
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Wow. That new Stevie Wonder disc sounds great! I'm having a vision of Stevie and Donald sitting next to each other at the Grammys next year. And the Album of the Year goes to......
Chrysler - Never, ever, ever, ever give the ball to Tom, Adam and Bill with 1:21 left on the clock. Mr. Brady 12-0 when tied in the 4th quarter.
My daughters and I spent the entire weekend packing (moving at the end of the week). So I didn't get a chance to really enjoy football Sunday. I'm actually moving a mere 2 miles from Gillette Stadium. So Chrysler, if the Steelers and Pats should meet again this January in Foxboro, you're welcome to crash.
Mark in Boxes
Posted by: Clas, ---
Raj - was that dumb? That answer?
Posted by: Rajah, impersonating my impersonation?Frank was admittedly dumb as dirt, his misguided postulations poorly worded, but he did get his point across, rude and crude though it may have been.
But Elvis was dumber.
Posted by: Sinatra, Da Infern-OPLAYBOY: All right, let's start with the most basic question there is: Are you a religious man? Do you believe in "God"?
SINATRA: Well, that'll do for openers. I dink I can sum up, what you might call, my religious feelin's in a couple of paragraphs. Foist and Foremost: I believe in you and me. I'm like Albert Schweitzer and Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein in dat. I gotta a respect for life -- in any form. I believe in nature, in boids, da sea, da sky, in everything I can f-n see or that there is real evidence for. If dese tings are what you mean by "God," then I believes in "God." But I don't believe in a personal God to whom I look for comfort or for a natural on the next roll of the dice. Heh heh.
ahhhh got the world on a string.....
http://www.sinatraarchive.com/tis/play-interview.html
Posted by: Hurricane Relief, The MailLWO - please read your Banyan Trees mail. It's important and I don't have your real email. Thank.
Posted by: Louis Nye, Holmbly HillsChrysler
Heinz says it all you passifyer is in the mail Suck Hard!
Posted by: Chrysler, Heinz Field ArmaggedonKanye West sucks. Watched a video, with West puking some insipid rap shit over Jamie Foxx's admittedly pretty good Ray Charles thing. Like hurling fetid chunks'o'cheezits onto pate de fois gras, or something akin. And that's the BEST rap has to offer? THAT horseshit merits a Time magazine cover story? Aw jeez.
"Louis Nye" sucks too, the big one, with canola mayonnaise splurting out of it.
Mark: Whatta ya think, bro? Will it be a struggle of epic proportions at 4:15 today or what?
Posted by: Geoff, DallasOur guests from Houston: Don't go home yet - Naked Lunch are playing at the Greenville Bar and Grill at 9.30 Tonight It's not on either website but the gig is definately on.
Greenville Bar & Grill (469) 334-0001
2821 Greenville Ave
Dallas, TX
Posted by: Louis Nye, Holmbly HillsHey Geof
Plenty of poofs to go around on this site for sure.
And what comes from Texas, Steers & Queers and a brain dead President.
Hi Ho Rajah Reamo! Kisses!
Posted by: Rajah, Only the Pavarotti Farewell at the most problematic music venues anywhere, the H-Bowl, could keep us away from the DR. WU tonight at the Inn in Malibuuuu!!!!!!
Maybe somebody will tell us about it...
Posted by: David Palmer, LaLa LandTheÝ D O C T OÝRÝÝ W U Ý Band
A Tribute To Steely Dan
http://www.doctorwuband.com
Appearing at The Malibu Inn
Saturday, September 24th, 2005
Two sets starting at 9:15 PM
Doors Open at 8:00 PM
Malibu Inn
http://www.malibu-inn.com/index.htm
22969 Pacific Coast Hwy
Malibu, CA 90265-4934
310.456.6060
Posted by: Doctor Mu, Great devastation around the LA-Texas border around Sulphur and Lake Charles and Beaumont, but fortunately the vast majority had evacuated. Rita pounding the sparsely populated piney woods areas of western Louisiana and east Texas. Galveston, Houston to College Station and Waco mostly spared from WMD (winds of mass destruction). Some power outtages and a few fires. Hopefully the Texas DOT can get its act together on return trip.
Everybody here is fine...will be carrying all the canned goods, etc. we won't be needing now to local shelters...
For those out there who might be returning from Dallas to Houston once power is restored - Don't take I-45...Use I-35 to Waco...Hwy 77 down to Victoria and Hwy 59 counter-traffic back to Houston. That backdoor way will avoid most of the traffic, and gas stations on that route should be open and operable Sunday and Monday.
Stevie Wonder New One Review from Roger Friedman who passed on recent scoops of the ucoming Fagen album scheduled for Jan, 2006:
Saturday, September 23, 2005
By Roger Friedman
Stevie's 'Time': A Grand-Slam Home Run
Stevie Wonder doesn't kid around.
Maybe he was nervous about releasing his first album in a decade, but he shouldn't have been. "A Time 2 Love" lives up to Wonder's high standards, and then some.
I've had the pleasure of listening to "A Time 2 Love" since yesterday afternoon. (It's numbered, watermarked and set to detonate if I try to load in into my Zen Touch MP3 player, so I had to settle for listening to it on a stereo! Remember those?) I'm pretty sure this is the first review of it anywhere.
This was an album that was due in June 2004. Stevie even appeared on "Oprah" and "Good Morning America" to promote it, and then pulled back. Several other release dates have come and gone since.
If "A Time 2 Love" were a book, you couldn't put it down. As it is, it's hard not to keep dipping into the 15 tracks, going back to find the various bits that are so tantalizing.
This is no Kanye West hip-hop clip job. Wonder has written 77 minutes of original, memorable work, full of hits, whether they're straight-out ballads, love songs or funk numbers.
A couple of them we've already been exposed to. The high-charged "So What the Fuss," featuring Prince, has been out for some time. So has the love song, the hook-laden "From the Bottom of My Heart."
Wonder performed the catchy "Can't Imagine Love Without You" at his Apollo show, and the Burt Bacharach-ish "How Will I Know" with his daughter Aisha at his wife Kai Milla's fashion show last week.
Still, it's good to hear all of them, especially the latter, in context.
But there's so much else here. Most artists would hope to have material this good over the course of 10 years.
The album kicks off with an up-tempo song called "If Your Love Can Not Be Moved," which has all the earmarks of a hit single.Kim Burell, who's got a deep-soul gospel voice, provides counterpoint.
"Sweetest Somebody I Know" is a mid-tempo love song with lots of hooks. It's crying out for a remix. Stevie should get Wyclef Jean to invent a rap to go with it.
But it's the third track that cinches the album. "Moon Blue" is a masterpiece of a ballad, on a par with "Ribbon in the Sky" and "Overjoyed." Clocking in at 6:44, this lovely, bluesy number features a beautiful extended jazz-piano solo.
Much of "A Time 2 Love" is about just that, love. But fear not: These songs are far more intricate than you might think. It's a pleasure just to listen to the music of Stevie's mind, to see where he's going or how he got there.
There will be huge fans of "Tell Your Heart I Love You" (which I wish was the fourth and not the ninth track).
"Shelter in the Rain" is the kind of socko single that could be a Grammy Best Song/Best Record nominee if it's pushed by Motown's Sylvia Rhone right out of the gate.
In fact, with 15 tracks, Rhone could easily release simultaneous "singles" with "Shelter" and "If Your Love."
The two tracks with daughter Aisha ó "How Will I Know" and "Positivity" ó are smashes as well.
And the title song, with a fabulous guest solo from India Arie, closes the album on a note of topicality.
The choices are vast. It will be cool to see what kind of videos come out of "A Time 2 Love." It might be interesting for some grade-A filmmakers to try to depict Wonder's imagination.
In any case, Stevie has delivered an album on a par with all his classics. It was certainly worth the wait. Now let's just hope Motown/Universal can get it out to the fans quickly.
Posted by: Today's puzzling Steely moment, We could stay inside and play gamesClue in tomorrow's Sunday Inquirer crossword puzzle by Merl Reagle (in a section which gets delivered on Saturdays)...
9 Across (8 letters)---Cave in Spain famed for its prehistoric paintings
Thanks to my Steely education I knew that one! :-)
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Also heard "Blues Beach" in a Wendy's last week---a pleasant surprise. I was probably the only one in the joint who had a clue what was playing.
Posted by: hurricane update, wind blownJust a quick update
LWO and family are ok...
Posted by: hoooooooooooooooops, breezin thruMark Knopfler plays good music--sounds like a great SD connection on that note...moreover, TIME OUT OF MIND. -:-)
Looks like the worst is over for our Houston Danfreinds. Hope nothing too devastating.
Thanks for the reads !
jim
Posted by: Ann, BorneoAnother Deacon Blue moment - managed to borrow season 2 of Nip Tuck and watched some last night. The producer definitely likes the Dan (as I posted a few weeks ago, Peg is featured in one of the episodes in season 1). A singles bar scene where Deacon Blue is playing in the background. Great story lines, but I wonder how many people (dare I say, "guys"!!) watch it for the story. It would never get air time here without some serious censoring!! They're currently re-running Miami Vice on the local satellite channel. Back in the 80's it used to last about 20 minutes, it was so heavily censored!! Thank goodness attitudes here are a little more liberal than back then! Trouble is, back then it was the highlight of my week!! MV seems so corny now - but it's still very pleasant to look at the young Don Johnson!!
Raj, etc: Michael Buble - how do you rate him against Old Blue Eyes? He's appearing in Manchester (UK, of course) on 5th November and the Off-Spring has already bought a ticket - she's really into his music! (Must be following Granny's tastes!) Just wish I could get her turned on to SD!! Having spent her teenage years here, she's appalled at the way alcohol is being pushed at kids there - and the amount some so called "poverty stricken" students are boozing. Well, at least I did something right in her up-bringing!!
Peace to all!
Ann
Posted by: SS, HK
If you're still fishing around for some Frank Sinatra you could do a lot worse than the DVD-A called Live at the Sands (I believe).
It was recorded in 1966 - the DVD-A quality is superb - and it's with the Count Basie Orchestra.
Tune selection is fine...and there a chunky monologue in there as well if you want to hear his banter.
Posted by: Gretchen, not sailing in LAph, Knopffler's STF is definitely worth the purchase; reminiscent of early Dire Straits and good music for the blues....
LWO and all Texas/Gulf bluebookers, my thoughts are with you, good luck in braving the storm and let us know you are safe and sound!
xo
G
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYAnd a follow up to my last post. Apparently, they're playing all Steely Dan at the moment. When I hit WHAS-11 again while channel surfing, I heard the beautiful tones of the Bodhisttva guitar solo outro. I may have to stick around and watch this...
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYRandom Steely Dan moment of the Day:
Watching the local news, there's a hot air balloon glow going on right now at Bowman Field. The music in the background during on-site interviews a moment ago was Deacon Blues.
Got me to watch for all of a minute and a half or so, I have to give them credit on that.
Posted by: ph, nothing to do with steely dan, but i'm about to buy knopfler's "sailing to philidelphia" on sacd. is it worth the purchase?
Posted by: Beeers, learnin' from a masterOMG I have soooooo much to learnnnnnaaaa mamma mia ( you don't really say that right?)
Posted by: Rajah, Good God man, you're saying, 'your Penguin has a tumescence,' or very nearly.
Try this, "...Wheeeeeennnn...the moon hits your eye..." no, no not, wrong it's:
"Cara, ti voglio...tanto bene..."
Say it like, husky, y'know son, smelly and manly-like.
Shag her hard then pass out until just before 5 AM, wake up *randy* and commence negotiations...works every time!
Posted by: Beers, I have lost that numberRaj so how's my Italian comin on?
Il mio penguin gradisce la birra ... should get me some chickattitaaas si?
Posted by: Beersy, dreamin he WAS in SDOK way tooooooooooo obtuse then? Never been would love to be in that bar... where "the boys" played in '74
Posted by: Rajah, Beersy-baby, it was just one option, we also need some right gits meullered as newts and ready to thump tossers.
We're short of those.
What are you doing in SD???
Posted by: Beerberian, At the BorderRaj ... please
"Beersey - nice to hear from you, don't be a stranger, we need the Brits over here for some exemplars of courteous and restrained behavior. Seriously."
courteous, restrained AND SERIOUSLY... Do I HAVE to? LOL ...
Will someone just PLEASE bring back the Boston Rag...
I'll meet you in JJ's Bar and Grill San Diego CA - The Coors are on me ( although if the Corrs were on me then that would be a whole different thang)
Gina get over here Oct 14th? Doobie Doos
Posted by: Rajah, Get 'The Capitol Years,' it's a triple CD released 1990, not quite a box of his great period from 1952 to 1962 but close, 75 tunes in all, get it and fouggettit...
If you're not in a good "space" for that kind of commitment, try The Best of the Capitol Years, 20 of his best sensibly priced at $9.74 at your local Wal-Mart:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?dest=9999999997&product_id=826902&sourceid=0100000030660805402498
And ah, look mate, pick me up a box or two of 22-250 caliber Remingtons?
Posted by: Geoff, DallasRajah: Gawd yes, I even prefer (but still not like) Sid Vicious' 'My way' to Frank's. What's the best album or compilation of his middle stuff? BTW I don't think I deal with Bobby Darin. Didn't that bloke who refuses to admit he's a poof may a movie about Bobby Darin recently? Maybe I'll watch that first.
I was already at the river: That's the one, or even better the Syl Johnson version. It's possible that Al wrote it for Syl, they were all with Willie Mitchell at Hi records in the mid-seventies which also released Ann Peebles staggering "I'm gonna tear your playhouse down" and "I can't stand the rain", the latter only to get ruined by T. Turner, M. Bolton and the like.
Posted by: Rajah, I don't know that what I read in the Any World lyrics is so very necessarily limited to Christian imagery. Dollying back, I see it rather as someone who wants out of their present existence, has something inside them that brands them as different and compels them to hide. He has visions of someone reaching out their hand in an invitation to this new life where everything and every day doesn't just into run into everything else, there's a difference between each day and night. He wishes happiness were something easily captured and fixed, like a picture in a frame. He has a desire to go to see the children playing, hoping that viewing their interractions, unjaded, innocent, for the most part free of the strictures, prejudices, pressures adults are faced with might help him discover on a conscious, intellectual level what he feels on a visceral level. He feels unwelcome in his own world, in his own skin. His vision is of himself as the child returning to a kingdom where the sky is burning -there's that burning sky allusion again, "blood-orange sky," "watch the sun go brown," stuff. Don't know if it's his old world that has the burning sky or his new one. Logically, a sky on fire doesn't convey tranquility or happiness. But any place that he's welcome to would be preferable.
Posted by: Arouet, EuropeThe comments from a few days ago on "Any World" interest me because I have always been intrigued by the overtly Christian apocalyptic imagery used in this song. No lyrics remotely like it in any other part of their canon, which leads me to believe that Kulee Baba's interpretation is right, although I've never heard of that book.
On Kulee Baba itself (and what a wonderful, compulsive song it is...why why why will they not re-record and release it?), anyone ever consider that the narrator is the antithesis of the narrator of Caves? He is faced with an unfamiliar cultural phenomenon but can't or won't try to comprehend it.
Happiness is... your seven and five year old daughters singing along to Caves in your car.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Relatively safe in Los AngelesIt's nice to see that things around here have calmed down a bit. I don't know if it's really true, but I like to believe that good triumphs over evil in the long run.
Those of you who are in or near the path of the hurricane, please take care and let us know that you are OK after it is over. I, along with the rest of the good folks here on The Blue, am praying for your safety.
SteveeDan
Posted by: Alkali, NYCGYPSY: I didnít mean that she is an evil person through and through, only her political stance.
And if anyone else takes that view including guys named Walt and Don then they are guilty as well. No one is infallible; not even great musicians.
by the way, i think she spells her name Barbra not Barbarah, or Barbara or Babs.
i just call her B.
RAJ: is Stones ìSummer daysî the same as ìhot fun in the summertimeÖ.î?
You gotta love Larry Graham probably the innovator of that slap bass effect that was later exploited and perfected by Stanley Clarke.
If anyone is interested in hearing mind boggling electric/alembic bass lines do yourself a favor and pick up Return to Foreverís ìWhere have I known you beforeî
Your mind will not believe your ears!
So I walk into the office this morning and one of the guys, heís probably 18 smart as a whip, has his headphones on listening to Metallica on what I can only guess is 11!
(I mean I could here it clear across the room) and heís doing programming! Amazing!!
Peace
A
Posted by: Cellulite Elvis, peanutbutter & banana on breadWhaddya talkin 'bout man? I looked damn good in that leather get-up in 68, then-I, I dunno, I kinda let myself go some...
That's the wonder of me, mama-baby.
Posted by: FactChecker, hereElvis has a brief middle?
that's NOT The fact, jack.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, Alkali-Its ok for you to express polticial views,but Barbara can't.
Being against war makes you evil,huh?
I'd be willing to bet Don & Walt are against the war,too,I guess that makes them evil too.
Posted by: I was already at the river, Al GreenDon't forget the original "Take Me to the River" by Al Green, who also co-wrote it.
Posted by: Rajah, fancy gloves ohAnn - it's always me and somebody's mum getting together! What is UP with that? You learn a lot being around the old girls, Bridge, tending roses, making yams with carmelized mini-marshmallows, swilling single-malt Scotch and reading a racing form, spelunking in Maine. Tender memories return of Aunt Judith, she liked to have a couple pops and hit the dance floor.
Yeah Geoff, a lot of people get an ass-first introduction to Frank. BTW, Frank HATED NY-NY and My Way, his piano player of 37 years Bill Miller told me this, could not understand why they hit so big. Like Elvis, you have to go back to his early stuff. Well, in Frank's case, his middle stuff since the whole first phase of his career was doin that orchestra with strings plush romantic drivel from the 40s, then his ring-a-ding-ding period 1952-1962, and finally his brain-dead Goomba bloat period. Whereas Elvis went from vital young rocker to Cellulite Elvis with a very brief middle period around the time of his NBC Special in 1968 through about "Burnin' Love" three years later.
Bobby Darin was a very good interpreter of light rock and pop, Dream Lover, Splish Splash, Beyond the Sea, of course, till Hollywood got a hold of him and wrung him dry, Sandra Dee and the British Invasion didn't help either.
Songs for a farewell to Summer 2005:
Summer Wind - Frank
Beyond the Sea - Bobby
The Wave - Oscar Petersen
Summer Days - Sly Stone
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKAnka should be indicted for crimes against music and good taste.
IMHO only, of course.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCMy thoughts and hopes are with you people along the coast.
I saw footage of the evacuation last night and it looked like a parking lot.
I also had the misfortune of catching a bit of Streisand interview.
And of course she has to inject her political views. Commenting on ìthis horrible and unjust warî and ìthose poor soldiers who were sent there to dieî and all the while I was giving her what we refer in Italian as ëMalocchioí and in Hebrew as ëAyin Haraí
How can someone with such an angelic voice be so evil? What a freak.
I sorta hate to say it but, I kinda like Anka. Well, some of his stuff. I once heard an interview done with him and Pete Christlieb of the tonight show and the ìAjaî CD, I think.
And he was pretty knowledgeable not only about big band but pop music as well.
Iím still not sure that I would spend money to hear him though.
C: I think we already went over the ìDo be dum, dum, dumî songs in a past post.
Peace
A
Posted by: Clas, ---
I like that old song, uh, something like "...do be dum dum dum... in a stock car race... tell Aura I love her... tell Aura I care..."
The man had his car, and himself, smashed in a car race, one of them stock car races down in the Southern. As the song goes on one can figure the guy is pretty damaged, and it's about minutes until he will hold his breath, forever. Will Aura get there in time? I don't know, the bastards faded the song so one will never know.
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Posted by: Ann, BorneoLWO and all you others:
Take care down there. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
"Take me to the River" - Talking Heads and Tina Turner
Raj: You and my mum should get together!!! She swoons for Frankie!! I never had much time for that genre, but as the years catch up on me I can see its merits and now enjoy listening to it. We have a 15 year old boy here in school who sings the big band stuff. He has star quality - amazing voice - he sings "Fever" and even the female staff start to swoon! Watch out for Philip Wang (dad is from Sarawak, mum is from Stoke-on-Trent, you don't get two more extremes than that!!). His uncle, Roger Wang, is a professional jazz guitarist and quite famous in Malaysia. Anyone heard of him?
Posted by: Oscar Hamerstien, Trump TowersRajah
You seem to have a sense of fine music, Nelson Riddle/Billy May and Frank, all the pinnacle that complimented the sound.
But this old bone slayer here knows..Darin wasn't Frank, but to me..when he sang a standard or cover it became his, from sheer will and talent.
He wrote chart for chart, note for note, and was never formally trained.
Pick up the lp, Two Of a Kind Bobby Darin & Johny Mercer
Posted by: Geoff, Oscar IV: yeah, 'Jump' would have been a lot better without the "JUMP"
Raj, I'll look into that. I've never really took much notice of what Riddle was doing. It took me a long time to get to the point where I could even tollerate Frank, because so much of my initial exposure was a bunch of pissed-up wankers screaming 'NYNY'.
Posted by: hoops, Danfans along the Gulf (Gail, Will, Kurt, Sara, and others): You are in my thoughts and prayers.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, pardon my insensitivityHow are you sweetheart, how you doing down there?
Talk to us.
Posted by: Little Wild One, Sunny SpringGod, Raj, you sound like an old fogey. I love some of Nirvana's stuff. Paul Anka doing it? Ok.... As long as he doesn't sing that "Having My Baby" shit, I'll play.
EMG--it is a freaking nightmare on the highways here. Thanks for the well wishes all. Hope to see you on the other side of this beast-ess.
Ironically, while unloading the crystal cabinet today, I found one of my "pool of margarita" shrinky-dink earrings that Lisa gave me two years ago at the Dallas show. I put it in for good karma. What a night!
Posted by: Rajah, swingtimeThose charts are strictly Nelson Riddle and Billy May knock-offs, very good ones mind you, but something's very wrong from the start, you can help stinkers the likes of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' only just so much. Frank and two turbojet engines couldn't get that load off the ground.
Get a hold of Songs for Swingin Lovers or A Swingin Affair by Frank, Geoffrey, you must have those for the Nelson Riddle and Come Fly With Me or Swing Along with Me for Billy May's fun-loving arrangements, he was the guy who taught the very talented young Riddle the ropes. If you find yourself drawn to post-big band horn charts, and you have a strange affinity for the soon-to-be lost art of trombone playing, you'll love the originators.
Posted by: Oscar Hamerstein IV, Trump TowersGeof
The charts on the Anka disc are superb..but cmon man let's "JUMP"
just jump hey" when it came out I almost swan dived out my windows here.
Darin He ain't, but a fine song writer as volumes show, another one who needs to get on the bus, and "Just Go"
Posted by: C & W, Chicago......or Detroit, I don't know... we do so many posts in a row...
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They say January 2006 - Donald Fagen solo.
Posted by: John L., NCHello Dan Fans...
I check this site from time to time, but don't have time to check every post. I was just wondering what the latest rumours, or updates, or facts, or speculation, or any other such thing about DF's solo album.
Hungry for Dan or anything related!
Posted by: The Most Obscure Post In History, NYCFoghat did a great Take Me To The River. Dean Parks also plays on Lauren Ellis' album. She's an unknown, obscure guitarist who would sound great w. Dan. The Dead almost hired her to replace Jerry.
Posted by: Windy, up thereWow Geoff: that just blew right over your head......
Posted by: Geoff,
I've never heard of "Boarding up the House" but I do know that 'Take me to the river' was not a Talking Heads tune.
Posted by: ygk, nycMu: Best wishes and good vibes in everything going on down in Texas.....but a brief aside: Isn't "Boarding up the House" a Talking Heads tune?
ygk
Posted by: Geoff, DallasAnyone traveling north need a place to crash for the weekend, and grab a Naked Lunch gig Saturday night, let me know... LWO is okay I spoke to her this morning.
Anyone into Paul Anka's 'Rock Swings' ? Normally those kind of cross-genre efforts make me cringe. [e.g. Willie Nelson's reggae album.] This is a damn fine record. No suprise to see Dean Parks plays guitar on it.
Posted by: Doctor Mu, Tejas Clas: They have been evacuating - this is NOT Louisiana. Buses on the road or at destinations in Arkansas, Lubbuck, El Paso. I-45 one way OUT...but Louisiana is not out of the woods on this one either...
LWO: Keep your fingers crossed that Rita as strong as she is showed her hand too early. CAT 5 stroms don't stay so for llong. Some of the deep convection is subsiding and pressure rising as some dry air filters in. Pathw May go Batten down the hatches and head north or west as needed. Path may be heading more east possibly putting Houston etc. on the West or weaker side of the storm...may affect LA more than throught...
Nice article - lots of errors, but nice:
http://www.bentleyvanguard.com/media/paper141/news/2005/09/22/Ae/Forgotten.Favorites-993483.shtml
back to boarding up the house...
Posted by: Clas, ---
LWO and all TX Bluebookers? What about the rest?
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Posted by: Boston Rag, Not so Lovely RitaLWO and all TX Bluebookers - Be safe! Check in with us soon.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Kids if you want some fun..., www.steelydangallary.se---
Kids, at the time you were born, this man was a Rock Journalist. I am talking late 70's, I am talking early 80's. If you visit my website, you can click on my face and I'll take you to my collected correnspondences with The Two.
One thing though, be careful with those mouse arrows, they can be damn sharp and I don't wanna end up playing keyboards in Blind Folds Five.
www.steelydangallary.se
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Little Wild One - we got a call from Slidell last night. The house has not been flooded, it's pretty dry, there's a tree lying over the house and such things, but, I guess they had their lucky day.
Posted by: suedave, past my bedtimeIn August I was out of town with the family, we went to a Red Lobster. while waiting for our table, my daughter's face lit up and she said MOM! It was Blues Beach on the sound system and she picked it up before me. Course she claims she doesn't like Steely Dan...no matter. She caught me off guard, but I felt proud nonetheless.
Kulee - I read that series ages ago. It was fun. I liked your analysis. I must agree that's part of the fun of SD lyrics - many meanings to keep us interested and amused.
LWO, you take care down there!
Posted by: moray eel, reelyI guess I should have said "former guitarist"...
m.e.
Posted by: moray eel, reelyJust curious... does the guitarist for Reely Dan still post here?
m.e.
Posted by: Kulee Baba, another lifetimeRajah: Ah, you're right! It's a very Jungian-archetypal-collective consciousness type of theme. Open to lots of interpretations.
Hard to ever say what the Messrs. are intending for sure (although of course I think I've got them "peg"-ged).
John
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Posted by: ph, another hard up casemy vote goes for Miles
Quite ironically when I was reading the "Any World" thread, "Talkin' About My Home" started playing from my computer. An interesting contrast between the songs.
The first time I ever heard a post-Gaucho Steely Dan song in a public place was Blues Beach at the grocery store, and that was the only one for a long time until I heard "Shame About Me" in True Value, which sure did make make me want to buy a screwdriver!
Posted by: From AP, Ballot for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2006
John Mellencamp
Miles Davis
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Blondie
Cat Stevens
The Patti Smith Group
Sex Pistols
Stooges
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Black Sabbath,
Dave Clark Five
J. Geils Band
Chic
Texas Joe Tex
Sir Douglas Quintet
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, More googleHere's a reference to opening for the Beach Boys in Columbus in 1974 - Tickets "$4 and $5".
http://print.google.com/print?id=sLEMdjRhDgQC&pg=PA338&lpg=PA338&dq=%22steely+dan%22&prev=http://print.google.com/print%3Fq%3D%2522steely%2Bdan%2522%26ie%3DUTF-8%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80&sig=-hYEyT6mBYRlkM5FnV4sa4lc9HQ
Posted by: Rajah, go, go GoogleYo, that's pretty cool, I popped in Steely Dan and found something I've never read:
http://print.google.com/print?id=lw9Ccboc5OcC&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=steely+dan&prev=http://print.google.com/print%3Fq%3Dsteely%2Bdan&sig=9zxhR_biiT5PH4zGXuPCUU_4u7A
it's from a book called, "Sonic Cool, the Life & Death of Rock n Roll."
Steely Dan as the first "Post-Boogie" band?
Posted by: mock t, Wow. That's very ballsy on Google's part, and should make for a tough decision for the courts. Thanks for the heads-up.
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, Hello all,
I just stumbled upon google's cool new beta site that allows you to search and read the full text of books - http://print.google.com/. "steely dan" pulls up 942 references - click on the link and it takes you into the book and highlights your search terms. This is an awesome reference tool.
I'm not sure how long the site will last as google is being sued by the author's guild for copyright infringement, but enjoy it while it lasts.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCLWO: Yea, it's happened to me on more than one occasion. Iím in a department, grocery store or mall somewhere. When almost invariably a Dan song comes on! The last time it happened in a grocery store and the song was I.G.Y.
I donít know whether to be embarrassed or proud. Is grocery store music akin to elevator muzak? And if it is, does it have a utilitarian purpose like the calming effects of the kind on elevators for phobics? I mean, underneath the girls singing ìÖ more leisure for all artists everywhereî could there have been a subliminal ìdonít steal the canned soupî or ìbuy more hamî or ìimpulse buying is goodîÖ.?
Iím listening to Pickford and Hunt right now, what amazing players!
In fact, let me revise my previous selection of ultimate players Iím now adding Steve Hunt to the mix of Monk, Corea and Pasqua.
Pickford is an incredible bassist heís the son of Loren Pickford the sax player, some of you might know his name via Horace Silver.
By the way, if you want to check out Luis Pickfordís web site its WWW.LUCASPICKFORD.COM thereís a link to the Steely Dan webring on it!
(Talk about 6 degrees of separation)
Now spinning in the machine:
Lucas Pickford and Steve Hunt ñìBlown Fuseî
Zappa-ìBaby Snakesî
Tchachowski-ìN.C.S.î
Steely Dan-ìKaty Liedî
Chad Wackerman-ìForty reasonsî
Joe Jackson-ìLook Sharpî
ìÖ..The spore is on the wind tonightî
Peace
A
Posted by: Rajah, Kulee, the connection you make is valid even if they never had 9 Princes in mind. The larger themes of being a stranger in a strange land, the labors, the journey back, the prodigal's return, etc. are archtypical of many many creative works in many disciplines. That you identify strongly with the connection you've formulated is validation enough. I like it.
Go Be-Bop Diddy, that's some good work you're doing with those kids, who knows, you just might be saving a few young minds from Radiohead and Death Cab for Cutie.
Posted by: Little Wild One, marga-Rita-villeVery nice post, Steve. Thanks for the background info. Most of us here are doing what we can to expose the younger generation to the finer things in musical expression. Also, I hope to hear that you continue to gig with Reely Dan. I had the pleasure to see Katy Lied in 2001 and they were awesome!
Hoopsie, shout out to me about Kurt and Sara. We have a couple of extra bedrooms and some pet space if need be. For now, we will ride out the storm here, but are prepared to GET THE F**K OUT if we need to. Biggest concerns are a tree or two through the house and someone else's patio stuff becoming a missile.
Heard "Blues Beach" (very appropos) in Foley's, the local May Co. Dept. store yesterday. All May Co. stores were recently purchased by Macy's. Hope the new mgmt. keeps the music loops. I left with nothing, but a smile....
Posted by: Alkali, NYCSTEVE: that was an inspirational piece you wrote, thanks.
Who knows, we may have a whole group of new Dan fanatics in the coming decades! (Not that I ever doubted it)
KULEE JOHN: good analysis, it fits.
CLAS: don't be so dismissive, he might be right on the money. And so might you.
You see, it's as Iíve said tirelessly; interpretations are one of shining spots on the Steely Dan.
"...a word to the wise guy"
Peace
A
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountainthanks Steve for writing about your Be-Bop Daddys music!
on another Donald Fagen note, harmonica player Howard Levy recorded two tracks for the new album, there'll be more news on how he and DF got to work together soon, in Mizar5.
but mind i didn't ask for any specifics on the album itself, like what songs, titles etc etc.
it would only spoil a surprise :-)
Posted by: skmusic, ChicagoGreetings from Chicago!
Today I heard from the ubiquitous Pete Fogel: Pete kindly e-mailed me a couple of very nice pics of Donald proudly wearing his ìBEBOP DADDYSí T-shirt from the last tour Ö sorry to disappoint the web-ster who thinks that the Lincolnwood music students are somehow tied to a ìbackstage conspiracy scamî Ö but the award that D & W received from the expressive arts music kids in 2000 was in fact ñ legit!
And thanks Hoops for your kind words! How all things come full circle! A friend of mine ñ Bob Blom, started a top SD tribute band right around the time that my own original group BEBOP DADDYS was formed. In fact, a mutual friend of mine and Bobís actually contacted me to see if I was interested in holding down the guitar chair in ëKATY LIEDî ñ but I was too tied-up with my original project to comply.
Last month, I got a call from Bob asking if I might be interested in playing with ìREELY DAN,î (formerly ìKATY LIEDî) ñ apparently their guitarist had moved out of state ñ and Bob saw an opportunity for us to possibly hook up. Since BEBOP DADDYS debut CD is only about 60% complete and not currently gigging until the CD is finished ñ I jumped at the chance to play with this great band. We played an outdoor festival in the Chicago suburbs a few weeks ago, and it was tremendous fun!
Regarding BEBOP DADDYS, it is a Chicago-area jazz-rock collective of studio musicians. The rhythm section players are currently holding down the bass chair (ìWICKEDî - Chicago), and the drum chair (ìTHE LION KINGî - Chicago), and have played gigs in NY w/some of the SD band (Ted Baker for example) - in Broadway shows there. BEBOP DADDYS music is quite SD influenced, lots of jazz harmony, infectious grooves, and interesting vocals/lyrics. The BD website is terribly outdated, and will be going through a significant makeover within the next couple of months. If anyone is interested in receiving some mp3ís of some of the BD tunes already ìin the canî I would be happy to send you a sampling; we will be posting a few mp3ís of the tunes before the end of this year (www.bebopdaddys.com). If you like SD, I find it safe to assume youíll dig the DADDYS.
Regarding the SD presentation in 2000, I am director of a large public school music department in the Chicago suburbs. The award that D & W received was representative of over 5,000 music composition students who chose them to receive this Songwriters Award, through the criteria which was part of the Millennium Music Project. The MMP was begun in 1992, and culminated in 2002. This projectís primary goal was to expose students to music that they would not normally listen to. D & W were the beneficiaries of one of the awards that thousands of teenage music students over an 8-year period selected to honor, after analyzing and studying their work in depth. The other artist that the teenagers recognized in the jazz/pop genre was Rickie Lee Jones.
An outgrowth of the MMP is a vocal music group called THE LINCOLNWOOD CHORALE. The Chorale is a group of very talented Chicago-area singers ages 13 to 19 who specialize in interesting vocal arrangements of contemporary music. I wrote an arrangement of a song by Jon Anderson and Steve Howe of YES called ìNine Voices.î When a recording of the tune came to the attention of Jon, he called and asked if the kids would perform on stage with YES at The Chicago Theatre (2002), and again at The All-State Arena (2004). Talk about a defining moment in the lives of those kids! A DVD was made which won a 2005 TELLY award called ìYES and THE LINCOLNWOOD CHORALEî ñ and partly as an outcome of that ñ the group is now involved in a project slated for SIR PAUL McCARTNEY.
If anyone would like more info on this or you would like to hear the mp3ís of the Choraleís current McCartney project, check out www.lincolnwoodchorale.com. There are also links to audio and pictures of the kids in rehearsal and performance with YES. If anyone would like any info on BEBOP DADDYS, our music, (and yes, our T-Shirts) ñ you can e-mail me at skmusic@comcast.net. And if you are ever in Chicago, check out REELY DAN!
Tangentially yours,
- Steve Kikoen
Posted by: Cut it away, ---
I don't agree.
The song is just one of those post-pubescent "this crazy longning for something else" songs.
//Clas
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Posted by: Kulee Baba, ditto
Oops, a small correction and some re-analysis:
Trumps could be used to figuratively *and* literally reach across shadow. So a "your hand reaching out through a shining daydream" is not even a stretch.
From the demo song, a little more:
"When I find it you won't hear from me, it's around the corner, one, two, three"
(After Corwin walks the Pattern, a circuitous route of twists and turns (and corners) that helps him recover his memory, he teleports ("one, two, three") away from his compatriots to do his own thing.)
John
Posted by: Kulee Baba, silicon valleyDoes anyone think that "Any World That I'm Welcome To" might be a reference to Zelazny's SF classic "Nine Princes in Amber"? The original version of the book came out in 1970, which would be fairly close to the demo version of the song.
Consider:
"If I had my way I would move to another lifetime"
(References to 'another lifetime' refer to an Earth or Amber shadow)
"Ride the train through the misty nighttime"
(A good way to travel through shadow ?)
"I'll be ready when my feet touch ground, wherever I come down"
(Amberites are always prepared -- for battle, or perhaps poetry or smoke breaks)
"Any world that I'm welcome to is better than the one I come from"
(All the princes came from Amber. But many of them, including the protagonist Corwin, seem to end up living somewhere else.)
"I can hear your words when you speak of what you are and have seen"
(Corwin starts the book as an amnesiac)
"I can see your hand reaching out through a shining daydream"
"Captured happy in a picture frame"
(The Trump cards, containing portraits of the princes in happier times, can be used to figuratively reach out across shadow)
"I got this thing inside me that's got to find a place to hide me
I only know I must obey this feeling I can't explain away"
(In the first part of the book, the amnesiac Corwin relies on his paranoid instincts to survive and reach Amber)
"A vision of a child returning, a kingdom where the sky is burning"
(The prodigal son returns to claim the throne)
And now, from the demo song, a little more:
"When I find it you won't hear from me, it's around the corner, one, two, three"
(Walking through shadows is described as a multi-step process.)
Posted by: ss, hkThat would be obscure...Renee Rosnes has been a woman since leaving Vancouver for the big smoke. What'd you guys do to her there ?
Posted by: Rajah, doin' the nice-nicevery nice, Hula-Hoopster.
Posted by: hoop and the greater dandom, chicagoHappy Birthday to Lady Bayside!
I've chatted with Steven Kikoen of Lincolnwood (Illinois) High School a few times including at some Katy Lied gigs shows a while back in the Chicago area. (Katy Lied has since been renamed "Reely Dan.") According to Steven, Donald has been very supportive of his teaching students an appreciation of jazz and Steely Dan. Steven indicated he is in regular contact with Donald and Steve also posts from time to time to the Chicago Dandom list about his contacts with Donald. Steven said that Donald made time to meet his students backstage in 2000. I think all of that is indicative of Our Donald's generosity, not to mention Steve and his co-horts carrying the torch of good music to the younger Danizens.
jim
Posted by: The Stanley Arrangement, Wakefield
Posted by: BeBop Kids, ClevThe main guy in the BeBop Daddies is the guy who gave sd an award in 2000 from his elementary class -- "artists of the century" or something see him at
http://steelydan.com/lincolnwood.html
I think this guy probably gets backstage with these "awards from his kids" and then promotes his band and gives out tshirts + takes pictures, then his website looks like he's well connected. smart!
Posted by: Obscurity In Jazz & Blues, NYCDan the man! Renee Rosses often hires Walt Weiskopf of the Steely Dan band for tenor in his quartet. Cool.
Posted by: Dan, PhilippinesJosey and Perezosa, you made interesting choices.
Piano: Have you considered Michel Petrucianni and Renee Rosnes? Of course Chick Corea can play but he is considered by many as being overrated. I find Herbie Hancock is also hyped. Maybe their cool name pushed them along...
Trombone: Hard to think of anybody better than JJ Johnson.
Acoustic 12 string guitar: Ralph Towner.
Vibres: Gary Burton has to be up there on anybody's list. Check out "Slideshow", a duet with Gary Burton and Ralph Towner.
Chromatic Harmonica: Agree that it has to be Thielmans when it comes to a jazz slant. I heard that Horner has been struggling because people do not buy harmonicas and accordians like they used to.
Trumpet: Don Cherry and Chet Baker are great calls.
Sax: Parker. Just can't imagine where he would have taken the sax had he stayed around to a ripe old age.
Bass: Pattituci
Drums, Electric Guitar: Too hard to call.
Posted by: SandraDee, At the Roulette Wheel...Alan..just a good memory...nice to see you're still around. Nice to 'see' a friendly face!
me: Sign In Stranger
sd
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountainhttp://www.bebopdaddys.com/news/celebnews.html
some Donald Fagen trivia... but does anyone know or heard the music of the Be-Bop Daddys, like on the T-shirt he was wearing during the Detroit show...
see link above...
Posted by: Dirk McQuickly, Rutlesmania!
O yeah a really big shoe 2-nite: let's hear it for The Rutles!
Baby Let Me Be
(Nasty/McQuickly)
from the Parlourphone EP "Twist And Rut" GEP-8882, 7/12/63
Lead Vocals: Stig O'Hara and Ron Nasty
Baby let me be
Baby set me free
I'm on my knees
I'm begging you please
Won't you set me free
If you don't want me
Baby let me be
Posted by: perezoso, starclucksAja is what might be termed a paradigm shift. It's polished, even elegant in places. Josey is as fine a piece of pop-phunk-jass you'll hear. Yet it's like something happened, maybe karmically, man, to SD by then. They were doing sophisticated pop-jazz but Aja became like, very professional. The rock beat got a backbeat. Maybe it was, uh, cocaine rolling 'round the brain. The lyrics still are cool, enigmatic and I agree the RS reviewer sort of missed the boat. It's certainly preferably to rock or metal I can think of, yes, or the hair band jokes of the 80s, but it's like everything got a bit more sinister with Aja.
There's only a few pieces of rock that I can listen to any more: a few zappa riffs, some Dan, maybe Stone's Exile on Main Street, Hendrix here and there. But hey its free country. If you think Strawbeery Yields is deep music, more power to you brotha. There so much DRECK n roll its hard to fathom what all the hysteria was about. Did any rock album ever match up to, say, Kind of Blue? Hard to think of one.
Posted by: Rajah , I rag on the 70s with the Missus cause I've always been a 60s guy, it's when you grew up I suppose, but there was some huge music in the 70s, so much great and varied styles of pop music on the AOR. We'd become accustomed to the heavy rock, the relively short-lived flower power and psychedelic eras were disappearing fast in the rearview, and we'd become tolerant, or was it just worn down, by the disco-fication of Mowtown. AJA just stopped time there for a while in '77 in the weeks and months after its release.AJA's truth just stood out. It was a defining moment in rock music. Shortly afterward, the Punk scene would wipe the slate clean again. Only after the skinny ties, MTV and big hair bands had played out their 15 minutes would we see the resurrection and reanimation of Mr. Steely Dan and his music.
Posted by: Doctor Mu, Rajah: I distinctly remember that "review." It was entitled "Dazed at the Dude Ranch." A measley three stars out of five at the time. That was the end of my daze as a regular RS reader .
Ironically, Gaucho received 4 1/2 stars by RS upon release. Revisionist history on the RS website has it down to like two stars...
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, There's nothing simple about Joni Mitchell.
Posted by: Rajah , Yeah some genius hated Sgt. Pepper too, out loud for everyone to read in Time Magazine. He turned out to be a short-sighted moron with lots of pre-concieved notions about rock.
The RS reviewer should've start out with something a little less lyrically challenging...like...say...A-B-C, it's easy as 1-2-3.
One must walk before they can run or, in this case, crawl before they can walk.
Posted by: DWB flossin', Montana"Lyrically, these guys still seem to savor the role they must have acquired as stoned-out, hyperintelligent pariahs at a small Jewish college on the Hudson. Their imagery can become unintelligibly weird (Frank Zappa calls it "downer surrealism"); it's occasionally accessible but more often (as on the title song) it elicits a sort of deja vu tease that becomes hopelessly nonsensical the more you think about it. Focus your attention on the imagery of a specific phrase, then let it fade out. Well, at least it beats rereading the dildo sequence in Naked Lunch."
-Rolling Stone review of Aja, 1977
Posted by: Caca Phony, Fruitdale
and that brings up the politics of music and muzak, if anyone cares: since discord and atonality and music with odd meters generally doesn't sell (or only the sort of pop dissonance of goth metal/punk sells), then the hepcat jazz musician is (if not wealthy) forced to do some standards, or pop or fusion (or work for the Dan). I bet if Don and Walt could do the music they really wanted to (if they wanted to do it at all) it would be far more weird, atonal and complex.
Zappa did that- he would produce some pop-rock stuff ( Joe's Garage) to fund his classical experimental stuff. There are certainly many jazz and/or classical people who cringe when they hear those farfisa major chords of Corea or the blues changes of recent Dan or funk-rock of FZ. I d rather hear the Fowler Bros. Gary Lucas and Don VV wailing Brickbats, far more rhythmically and harmonically complex than what the Dan does now.
Posted by: the mascara snake, fangosso lagoonsIt sort of depends on yr definition of "music." If you like comforting, pleasant, tonal music played by great technicians, go for Corea and post-Aja Dan or whatever new age stuff. If you think music should possibly stimulate if not irritate, and express say social tensions and discord, I think FZ or beefheart or Mingus are superior (tho I that doesn't mean I think say the CLash is); similiarly; Louis Armstrong and Bird are great but I think hammy and Broadway -like; after a while some Dolphy or Coleman or late 'Trane seem somehow more real. I am one who prefers Bartok to Mozart.
Posted by: hobo wire toaster, atascadero
If you think a Holdsworth and the fusiony-fluff of Corea are superior to the dadaist-jass-cacaphony of FZ and Beefheart you should probably head to
Disneyland and maybe audition for like one of their street-dixieland clown acts. You'd be a natural.
Beefheart is extreme, as say Gregory Corso was extreme. He's a post-modernist, post-hiroshima, post-Nam poet, or rather anti-poet. AS Adorno said, "after Auschwitz poetry is impossible." The music is not all great; some of it is. At least it's not bland product like too much of the Dan or Corea. And I dont think any fusion or rock band has ever done something like FZ's the Purple Lagoon or Sinister Footwear or his classical pieces.
Posted by: Even Obscurer Than Before, NYCThe best guitarists today who would sound great with SD are all women- Deborah Coleman www.deborahcoleman.com
Lauren Ellis www.laurenellis.com
Rory Block www.roryblock.com
Debbie Davies www.debbiedavies.com
Why? Because they can all get the Hubert Sumlin tone that Walter strives for while at the same time being able to play with the harder edge required on say Kid C.
Too obscure!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThe ultimate Jazz-Rock fusion record would have to include the following players:
Bass- Jimmy Johnson, Ron Carter or Stanley Clarke.
Drums- Chad Wackerman, Tony Williams.
Guitar- Allan Holdsworth, John McLaughlin.
Keys- Monk, Corea, Alan Pasqua.
Sax- Parker, Shorter.
Trombone- JJ Johnson.
Trumpet- Armstrong, Miles.
Voice- Ella, Abbie.
Iím sure you wouldnít have any problems finding good writing out of these people but, on the off chance that you might then Iím sure Walt and Don would fit in.
Somebody said that Vinny C. is the best drummer there is, or some nonsense like that.
Heís a great drummer, donít get me wrong. But a guy by the name of Chad Wackerman is the best. period. He is, in fact, the greatest drummer the world has ever produced.
And although, Gambale is another great shredder-Guitarist, heís not the best, no, that title is held by Allan.
I see someone brought up a couple of names that I just canít stand still for; the first one is D.V.V. aka Capt. Beef heart hereís one of the reason we have state facilities. As if his so called ëmusicí wasnít bad enough, this moron also paints! Has anyone ever seen his shit?!
Itís as if someone gave a paint brush to a retarded gorilla on drugsÖ..now that I think about it, thatís exactly what he is.
Another name that comes up a lot is Zappa. Although I love a lot of his stuff, it isnít something that merits much listening to. Apart from ìApostropheî, ìHot Ratsî and a couple of selected songs his music really isnít something that makes me say, I want to listen to that again! And his humor/parody comes off like vaudeville to me, not necessary.
By the way, did Zappa call Steely Dan ìDowner Surrealismî? kinda funny.
Last but not least
Joni. Joni Mitchell? Blahhh!!! I never cared for her ëwritingí all of that back to the commune way of life. Simplicity at itís simplest.
Itís old.
And apart from everything else sheís not a looker, sheís nothing but bones and teeth.
Peace
A
Posted by: Clas,
Rajah - Wendel, or Wendel II, R Nichols invention, the drum machine, could also be used as a sequencer. That's the butterfly in the New Frontier.
Nichols was just a step behind the guys who made the Linn drum machine world famous, 's like my grandfather dropped dead (stroke) when he was on the soda pop 6UP, so close...
Life aint fair.
Posted by: The Grand Wazoo, purgatorioVoice recorded in 1969
Synclavier recorded c. 1992
Don Van Vliet vocals
FZ Synclavier
You might think my hat is funny, but I don't.
I'm the Grand Wazoo.
Keeper of the mystic scrolls.
And rolls of parchment from the lodge.
And I'm a Veteran.
Every day on coffee break at the hardware store, I tell Fred
What to expect because we play pranks during the . . . initiation.
I'm the Grand Wazoo.
I'm the Grand Wazoo.
I'm the Grand Wazoo.
I'm the Grand Wazoo, from the hardware store.
Fuck you if you don't like my hat.
(now that's mutha-f-n Art)
Posted by: flojo, ...............Most excellent story and sheds more light on FZ, our Fearless Leader, as well. FZ could certainly do or write Stravinsky-like polyrhythms and such, but it seems sometimes he's doing percussion studies and not enough melodically or thematically. Vinnie C.'s playing is impressive to be sure.
FZ could have done a bit more arranging of like Ellington or Stan Kenton type of stuff. More changes, complexity, and less parody. I have an old Live at New York album somewhere and it's about his best music ever--The Black Page, the Purple Lagoon (yay!) etc.,--but sometimes the drums and rhythms seem too ponderous like all those excruciating drum solos of forgotten fusion and metal bands....Spinal Tap, man. Something to be said for laid back approach of like Philly Joe Jones or even Carlock.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandPerezoso - I would highly recommend picking up the Chick Corea Akoustic Band "Live From The Blue Note, Tokyo" I know I've posted this one here a year or so ago but it's worth mentioning again. Chick, Patitucci, and Vinnie - and it is nothing short of amazing! There isn't anything "sappy" about it at all! It can always be found at audiophileimports.com You wanna hear just how much of a freak Vinnie is? Buy that one!
Posted by: Obscurer & Obscurer, NYCIMHO Vinnie's best work is on the album Starfish & The Moon by the sax player Bill Evans, which by the way also features Carolyn Leonhart and Herington, and Herington's great tune Whiskey Talk.
Posted by: Rajah, more Vinnie"Yeah, Joe's Garage, Tinsel Town Rebellion, Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar, Man From Utopia, many more with FZ. here's an old interview and another take on that story of Josey's:
VC: I had always been a big fan of Zappa's and had every record. In fact, I had just bought Live in New York and loved it. It was funny and it was musically great. The irony is that I called the office and bugged the hell out of them, asking if I could bring a tape by. They said, ìNo tapesî, but I dropped one by anyway. I'd go there every day until one day they called and said "Alright, Mr. Zappa will listen to you Wednesday night." My heart dropped and I literally sank to the floor. I was so happy, not just at the prospect of a gig, but because it was him!
RF: What was the audition like?
VC: I just went in there with the attitude that I was going to shoot my shot and not going to get real uptight because it Zappa. I would just go for it. This was it and I was going to put it all forward. I went there and was watching these people audition. The average time they lasted was like fifteen seconds.
RF: Why do you think they weren't cutting it? What was lacking?
VC: It seemed as though they just couldnít go through with what Frank wanted out of a musician. Frank would put this music in front of you that was ridiculously difficult, like equally on par with 20th-century compositional kind of stuff, and rhythmically it was incredible. These guys would sit there and they could play grooves but they couldn't read or vice versa. He looks for a special combination of elements in a person and I guess they werenít there. I auditioned on Bozzio's drums. I had never played on two bass drums, but I said, "Screw it-I'm going for it!" He put this thing in front of me, "Pedro's Dowry," and it was the melodic part that I had to sight read in unison with the marimba. So I sight read a little bit of that. I just had to concentrate on it completely, and to my surprise, I didn't make any mistakes. He was about to give me "The Black Page." I had tried my hand at transcribing it, so I had it memorized and before he gave me the music, I started playing it. I got about two-thirds through it and I guess he had heard enough because he said, "Okay, yes, you can read." Then he started playing this thing in 21/16 and he wanted me to play along. I grasped it; it was all subdivided in threes and twos. Then he told me to take a solo, so I played on it. Then he came back in and played and said, "Okay, that's enough of that." He started throwing tune after tune and we went through about four tunes. The whole thing lasted about fifteen minutes, which was like a record. Then he pulled me aside and asked me when I could start. I turned white and said, "Anytime." And that was it. That bailed me out of my whole living and financial situation."
Course, VC also plays with Barry Manilow, She-Daisy, Megadeath and Lindsey Lohan. You kiss the frogs and cash their check.
But he also does a lot of free-bees for his friends. Vinnie is tops.
Posted by: perezoso, ...............He played with Fowler Bros as well: yeah he can play.
I have one Electrik Band CD of Chick's and an old Return to Forever.
I don't know. He plays all these weird littlr calypso-like synthesizer things and then breaks into a real cool chromatic-jazz piece like "Illusions". Patitucci and Gambale can f-n shred tis true. I think Gambale's about the most fastest, most precise shred-jazz guitar player I' ve heard--saw him at La Vie Lee--tho he too does too much of the Scientology calypso stuff (tho Jerry Garcia was very impressed) . Gambale or Larry Coryell are the kings of shred jazz. Metheny can smoke when he wants to-- I heard him on a PBS special last year start playing this wild bop and free jazz stuff that he never does on record--but then he does his World beat schtick and I think its a lot of fluff.
About 1 out of 4 Corea tracks are interesting even if the solos are great; I thik harmonically he uses far too many little fusion cliches. I haven't heard much of his recent music. Return to Forever had a few interesting riffs, used to dig it back in the day, but eh. Sounds dated--sort of like ELP goes to the Alhambra or something.
Posted by: Henny Youngman, CloistersI still come here for material, where else can i find so many misfits.
Sandy, Sandy, Sandy I remember Maui you still seem starved for attention. If It's not working greek style anymore take the med's pleaaaazzz!!!
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandThought I'd post an interesting blurb on Vinnie from Steve Vai. Hoops, hope you don't mind.
"I was just enamored with Vinnie. Back in the Frank days, his whole approach, when I heard Vinnie play, his phrasing - it satisfied something in my heart. It was easy to get certain rhythmic gratification from straight up-and-down-type players. Playing grooves, alternate grooves here and there. But Vinnie just came in and threw a wrench into the works. The guy is an alien. He was able to touch buttons with his sense of polyrhythms that no one has ever done. Frank's band was the perfect soundboard for that. I started transcribing his playing for The Frank Zappa Book. I mean, there's five to six different notations for the hi-hat! [laughs]
I'll tell you a really great Vinnie story. He's one of the most amazing sight-readers that ever existed on the instrument. One day we were in a Frank rehearsal, this was early '80s, and Frank brought in this piece of music called "Mo 'N Herb's Vacation." Just unbelievably complex. All the drums were written out, just like "The Black Page" except even more complex. There were these runs of like 17 over 3 and every drumhead is notated differently. And there were a whole bunch of people there, I think Bozzio was there.
Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like "The Black Page." And then the first riff came in, [mimics bizarre Zappa-esque drum rhythm patterns] with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar.
It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing."
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandYeah, Vinnie did some stuff with FZ - most notably "Joe's Garage". To these ears, he's the baddest man on the planet currently drumming. Not too sure I'd go along with the term "sap" when I listen to Spain, or anything from Three Quartets or any of his Akoustic Band stuff. But then, we can agree to disagree.
Posted by: flojo, ................Chick on keys? I don't know. Yes he can surely play ...as long as he doesn't play much of his own sap. Metheny-Mays is jakes if they promise to do all minor key and bop or free heads and none of that Bank Of America theme muzak...
I'm trying to think of a record I heard with Vinnie C. Did he play on some FZ tracks?
Posted by: perezoso, ..............Stix-Boy Carlock would probably pass the 1st audition. Tho I admire someone like Elvin Jones I'm also for quieter, crisper drums. Philly Joe Jones
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandI'll play along.
Drums - Vinnie Colaiuta
Guitars - Pat Metheny and Mike Stern
Bass - John Patitucci
Keys - Chick Corea or Lyle Mays or both.
Sax - Michael Brecker and Wayne Shorter
Hell, I'd love to see these guys back up our boys on a tour! Can you imagine what Aja would sound like in the hands of Vinnie Colaiuta?? Good God!!...... I need a moment to recover.
Posted by: Obscure Musician Fan Club, NYCFor an all star band wouldn't you get the most in demand drummer in the world, like Kim Plainfield?
Posted by: flojo, ..............joni the yoni was maybe a decent lyricist but I find her music sappy if not maudlin....some of those 70s drug-phuck modal tunes were not bad I guess.. Help me...but Mingus? sheet. and I bet she like........paid da price...maybe if she just put her c*nt (cleanly shaven, ya know) on the front of each album cover I might buy it
Posted by: perezoso, ...........................Here's a fun game for subversive under-employed bunko specialists: the Blue's dream beat rock-jazz band?
What freak do you put on drums?
D. Elvin Jones...or Charlie Watts...maybe BillBruford...Mitch Mitchell
Bass? Ray Brown....Pattituci maybe....Mingus a crazyasshole...Jaco
Guitar??? (choose two) Wadenius....Frank Gambale ...Zoot Horn Rollo...? maybe Vai or Zappa...tal farlow....Metheny
keys: Jarrett.......the dude who plays for Bobby Hutcherson....Bernhardt....McCoy Tyner......Art Tatum
vibes: Red Norvo
trumpets: Wynton.....Chet Baker..Don Cherry
trombone: JJ Johnson ... Bruce Fowler
tenors: 'Trane, Getz, and Shorter, George Coleman
Sopranos: Sidney Bechet, Branford M., maybe 'Trane
Altos: Bird Parker, Eric Dolphy, Jackie McClean, Ornette
Chromatic harmonica: Toots Theileman
aw yeah....now get some charts, and put some tits and ass in front of 'em
the Blue All-stars with.....Ava Vincent......
Posted by: Rajah, I don't know which Aja you're listening to but the one I have is their masterpiece.
Joni's progression from Court & Spark on through Mingus was a veritable study in the development and transformation of the rare artist with great range regardless of what form or format in which they work. Don & Walt really didn't change their outlook so radically, they were always moving toward melodic jazz; Joni just popped her head right off and picked up a new one. From jangly folk-singer to sophisticated jazz diva. One thing never changed, her terrific songwriting.
You wanna borrow my Grand Funk record?
Posted by: Le Marquis, BastilleNew Frontier: that's what you get with Fagen without Becker, without the Dan: not so far from a Joni Mitchell sort of jazz-influnced pop songwriter. I prefer the Dan Band, even with hired hands--Caves of Altamira...or just right out rocking--Reelin,' Bodhisattva--
Donny wussed out with Aja
and 2AN & EMG sort of Aja redone: Green Book one of weirdest and coolest Dan cuts, but still sort of a sketch. Jack of Speed works, sort of
Posted by: Rajah, The thing in New Frontier sounds like one of those percussion instruments like the flexa-tone:
http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textf/Flex-A-Tone.html
Posted by: Erik Satie, MontparnasseBonjour!
Trois Morceaux en forme de Poire (1903)
(arranged for jazz band, electric bass and gee-tar, with vibes and theremin)
Si'l vous plait
(i.e Erik and CLaude were doing the Dan and Zappa, sans rock instruments--in 1900)
Posted by: Grandmeister Skankenstein, BootayburgShake yr boo-tay! shake ur boo-tay. Some of us can do without da funk. FZ funk here and there is fun if greasy. Prefer the rock-jazz of Grand Wazoo or Hot Rats to the funk of Overnite Sensation (tho who could not dig Zomby Wolf or 50/50). That's why some of Beefheart's 80's brass with rock band incarnations were amusing; strange un-funky meters, mambo, mingus-like arrangements, lots of discordia, cool playing, touches of like a Satie or Debussy sensibility (maybe owed more to musicians than to Doc VV).
The Dan started with Aja I believe to move into to funk beats which however crisp and effective start may become a bit schmaltz-loungy. I think Aja was a pop-corporate move: yes Josie and Home at Last are still cool, but the thing started to lose the buzz, the edge. With Royal Scam and before they were still a rock-jazz band--not a stellar-cast of fusion musicians.
One reason I enjoy the ECM jazz school--say Jarrett, Gary Burton, DeJohnette, Abercrombie, etc. --they refused to indulge ino the funk-fusion market.
Posted by: Alkali, NZ.Z. Hill, eh? , Interesting.
The only song by him that comes to mind is ìsomeone else is stepping inî
Iíve always liked his voice and his phrasing is pretty typical of bluesmen.
IMHO though, I have to say that Iím not too keen on Blues in general. It really starts to get on my nervesÖ.and quickly. Itís simple and just not refined enough for my taste.
Now, I know that the music comes from simple folk and you canít really expect to hear richness of tonality in it, but I just canít warm up to it. It doesnít fit.
Iím forced to respect it however as the father of so much good music.
So, I was listening to Nightfly recently and thereís a very small part in ìNew Frontierî thatís always made me curious about, so I thought if anybody knows the answer itís in the Blue. After Donald sings ìI hear youíre mad about BrubeckÖî thereís a strange voice/instrument? That repeats the word ìBrubeckî in a strange and very cool way!
Does anybody know what the heck it is? Itís always had me wondering.
Peace
A
Posted by: Rajah, Dolphy, P-Funk and a heavy dose of Zappa. And Sun Ra was from Saturn not Neptune, heavy cosmic implications there, so sorry.
BTW the MC5, or as they are known now, DKT/MC5 for the three surviving memebers, sounded better on Saturday than they ever did 35+ years ago.
Posted by: Joey Pescli, JoiseyWhaaa. Do you fine me amus-sink? Are you twyin' to bust my balls?
Take dat you doity rat!
Posted by: Shecky Green, The SandsHey why do goombas from Joisey always wear pointy shoes?
To kill all the cockaroaches in the corners of their mama's room
Posted by: Rajah, Frank and Dean would certainly consider themselves in hell if they knew they were being so poorly impersonated. So foughettabou...
Beersey - nice to hear from you, don't be a stranger, we need the Brits over here for some exemplars of courteous and restrained behavior. Seriously.
Nice pics of Oz, BR, he resembles a guy we saw Saturday night at Royce Hall @ UCLA which, after years of careful study, I believe to be the best sounding room in this part of the world, better than the Dorothy Chandler, the new Disney, the El Rey, certainly the Bowl or the Wiltern Theatre. It was the reunion of the surviving members of that seminal pre-punk 60s band, The MC5, for those of you who are carrying memory banks on that order. My old bandmate who together with the late Fred "Sonic" Smith were called godfathers of Punk guitarists, Wayne Kramer sounds better with each passing decade. Wayne is the type of inspired improvisational hard rock/punk guitar player who never really plays anything the same twice - couldn't if he wanted to. They closed for another Detroit band, The Sun Ra Arkestra, wow, are those guys out there, they've been around in some form or other since the late 50s. Sun Ra himself "ascended" quite a while ago but his vision, (he thought he was from Neptune and dressed his band how he reckoned space aliens would) of a free form progressive jazz ensemble with a wild sense of musical humor, lives on. Think of a Dolphy and P-Funk fusion.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Oz PhotosI mentioned in an earlier post I was talking to a photographer - Peter Paradise (who I thought was Peter Q) at the Oz Noy gig. Peter Paradise kindly e-mailed me with a link to his Oz and Keith Carlock photos. Yhe link is posted below. Enjoy!
Mark,
Please follow the link to the web page where I have posted the photos
from Saturday nights gig.
http://homepage.mac.com/pparadise/Concert_Series/Menu44.html
It was nice meeting you. Any friend of Steely Dan is a friend of mine!
If you want, feel free to forward the link to Hoops or any others in
the community. I am willing to let others use my photos as long as
they ask my permission and include a copyright notice.
Let me know what you think of the photos.
I look forward to seeing you at another gig some time.
Best Regards,
-Peter Paradise
Posted by: Deano Martin, Cafe Hades"...Whaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn
the moon hits your eyez likea some big pizza pie.....that's....
ah-mor-ay"
Whaaaa?? You don't care for that u cheap joisey pimp?
I'll could have you sleepin' with da fishes in the Passaic River by mornin', paysan-o
Posted by: PQ, NYCGreat story Mark. Gonna have to tell Peter Paradise to stop impersonating me at gigs!
I have long been convinced that Becker and Fagen must have listened to alot of ZZ Hill in the late 70s/early 80s without really being able to say why, or prove it. Today I was flipping through the CD jacket of ZZ Hill's album This Time They Told The Truth and lo and behold, the background singers are Frank Floyd and Zack Sanders, who sing on Hey 19 and also I believe on a few Nightfly tunes. Got to be convinced that B&F called them after hearing a ZZ Hill record.
Posted by: alan, downunderSandra,sounds like you've got dectective's on this case...
Me:- Everyone's Gone To The Movies ( or was that Manana Garage )
Posted by: Sinatra, the Lower rings of HellAh've.......got...the world on ah string; sittin' on a uh rain-bow....
heys youse goombas, far be it from me to diss those two Joisey fairies:
"no marigolds in the promised land"
dat amuses me...indeed
va va voom n bada frickin bing
Posted by: Boston Rag, Patriot NationPQ - This is funny, when we got to Ryles there was a guy snapping all kinds of pictures with a camera on a tri-pod. I thought it might have been you, so I went up to the guy and said "Are you Peter"? He said yes, so I was going on about Carlock and Hoops and the Bluebook. He seemed to have a puzzled look so I asked him if he was Peter Q. He was Peter Paradise - rock photographer. Oooops.
To answer your question, I wasn't overly impressed with Chris Terry. He was reading from charts a lot (probably because Oz broke out about 4 new songs). His mix was also a little muddy (not his fault). It sounded like his amp was set to close to Keith's drun kit. Anyway, I would much rather have seen Will Lee playing with the trio. It was a great show though.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: PQ, NYCHey Mark, question. I have seen Oz with 4 different drummers - Keith, Anton Fig, Jeff Tain Watts, and Rocky Bryant, and 3 bassists, Will Lee, James Genus and Jimmy Johnson...how was Chris Tarry? His website is pretty impressive.
Posted by: Burning Chrome, the Isle of LesbosThe Steely Dan Malt Shoppe! skate a 'lil lower
One Hypermodalic Retsina Parfait to go, si vous plait
Carlock-boy can stix a bit...extra crispy
Posted by: Boston Rag, Morning CoffeeWent to the Oz Noy Trio show at Ryles Jazz Club last night. What an amazing night of music. Ryles is a very small club that probably holds 150 people. Last night I would guess there were about 100 people there. Got there early for dinner and a good table and Oz and Keith Carlock were setting up their own gear!
We had a table 10 feet from the stage so it was like having Keith Carlock play in our living room. Oz was incredible! Sometimes itís like heís channeling Jeff Beck and other times he pulls out some amazing harmonics that are jaw dropping. Carlock played like a man possessed! He had some unbelievable solos that just leave you shaking your head. Of course he had a minimal drum kit because of the Ryles stage but if sounded just as good as the monster set-up he had playing with Steely Dan,
I talked to both Oz and Keith a couple of times (their dressing room was the bar behind our table). Both of them were really great guys. The only downside of the evening was a large party that had some side tables on the side of the room that were shouting and laughing during most of the two sets, A couple of people asked a waiter to have them keep it down. They were pretty annoying.
A great night of music. The place should have been packed. It should have been a required show for Berklee students.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Gina, AAJ Mountainhttp://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=18991
Although some might take this as one of those 'shameless pluggings', i'd rather see it in the light of SPREADING GOOD NEWS about GOOD music and this is definitely Steely Dan related. A while back, Daddy G. stumbled upon an article about a Canadian singer, Rosanne Agasee, recording a debut album with the title "Home At Last". Much to our pleasure this is indeed the Steely Dan track most of us have in their Top 10 list of fav SD tunes for reasons Hoops might devote an entire Digest to some day... Anyway, Rosanne is assisted by a great cast of Canadian musicians, among them is guitarist Jake Langley and you should all really really really hear him play on Rosanne's rendition of Home At Last. Really.
For the ever so growing international online community and recourceful webmagazine about anything Jazz, Michael Ricci's All About Jazz, we worked to establish an interview with this fine Canadian singer who LOVES Steely Dan and had Frank Sinatra's "Witchcraft" as her first 45inch record (Rajah, this should turn you on to this lady...)
Posted by: ph, Woah, we get to play twice in this game? Well, if we're skipping "Dunes, On The":
Don't Take Me Alive
Posted by: SandraDee, Stuck in the elevator of the Pink HotelAlan...hi...I think I know you...
Maui and Honolulu 2003?
To: I Drove...
Dunes, On The doesn't count...just use a song that really starts with D....
sd
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PADunes, On the
Have you guys seen AOL Music's "Rock's Greatest Songwriters" list? Eleven names are on it, and the Dan is ... nowhere to be found(!)
But Elton John, Kurt Cobain, and U2 are there, can't leave them out, can we?
Ay ay ay ay ay ...
Posted by: alan, still downunderHey I like this game...
Everything You Did !!
Posted by: SandraDee, On the loading dock of The Pink HotelSure! g'day! (sorry...)
um.....
Hard Up Case
sd
Posted by: alan, downunderHi Sandra
can I play too ?
How about.. Your Gold Teeth
Posted by: SandraDee, The Lobby of The Pink HotelHello Berb,
It's a little slow this time of night tonight...
We've been playing a Steely Dan game. If u wanna play, respond to the last sd song title mentioned, in this case, my last post, with a song title beginning with the last letter of the last word of the title.
...that is....if yer bored...
You have an interesting handle...story???
I'll be here until 7am PST...
'...'til the sun comes thru the skylight...'
Yours on the year of our Dan,
sd
Posted by: Beerberian, Hi Guys not been "IN" in a long time... Seems the place is still familiar and comfortable (like an' ol' sweater) LOL Stevee, Rajah how's it hangin'?
Posted by: SandraDee, In the lounge at The Pink HotelTrans-Island Skyway
...yur turn..
Meredith: Welcome Meredith! I too have a Jones for the boys and their music! What part of this great land do you inhabit? Have you been to any shows? Any cover band shows? I haven't seen any of the covers but I would love to if they ever came to Seattle.
yours in the year of our Dan,
sd
Posted by: Dragonfly, spain......and the traffic lights turn blue tomorrow
Posted by: ss, hkAlkali I thought here was something about "15 watt bulbs" in the lyrics.......
Posted by: Meredith,
HI- just wanted to share my heartfelt and life-long Dan-fan love for Steely Dan. After reading rumors on the newsletter that Donald Fagan may come out with another solo album in January, I dug out Nightfly and Kamakiriad. I haven't listened to these discs in a while, and unfortunately discovered a scratch in the end of the Kamakiriad disc- essentially ruining the last 2 tracks.I was able to find a replacement for this (4 bucks- what a bargain), and find myself tearing up while listening to "On the Dunes"- quite a beautiful ballad-like tune.
The many layers, richness of their music and lyrics make it absolutely irreplaceable and classic. I can't wait to hear more- over and over again. -Meredith
Posted by: Ann, Borneo35 years ago today that we lost Jimi Hendrix. May he rest peacefully in guitar heaven!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCOops i meant Herington.
PH: by the way, "Abbie" does mention light bulbs and in the movie one of the things that Boyer does is to fool with the light switches.
and, if i remember correctly, the house they lived in was seaside.
speaking of old movies, has anyone ever seen "O Henry's full house"?
not Dan related but a great movie, i'm partial because O Henry is one of my favorite writers.
Peace
A
Posted by: PQ, Coley SqVery Good Alkali, Keith Carlock plays the drums. Keep that research happenin!
Posted by: ............., su mama's culaAbbie--maybe as in Abbie Hoffman? you ridiculous little clowns
Posted by: Alkali, NYCPH: I saw "Gas light" a long time ago, i liked it. Ingrid Bergman was not only a pretty face but a good actor, Charles Boyer was very good in this one(even though French, Blahhh!)he played the duality roll well enough to be convincing to his wife who was being gas lit but, he had me convinced as well.
i'm not sure if Dan's "Abbie" is directly related to her character or not, in fact, i don't know if Bergman's character's named Abbie??
but, yea the movie ends much too sweetly for my taste. good just the same.(I like older movies)
i was net surfing yesterday searched in general for fusion guitarists well, Kieth Carlock's name came up under the heading, much to my surprise. i would consider him more of a blues player with maybe a hint of fusion added in. i mean, don't get me wrong i think he's a pretty good guitar player although not my favorite.
actually there were a few guitarists that made the fusion list that surprised me, another one of these was Jay Graydon.
Peace
A
Posted by: PQ, Copley SqIt's Oz, Keith, and Chris Tarry on bass. An obscure band.
Posted by: Boston Rag, KC @ Ryles?BC vs. Florida State tonight but.....
I've got to get over to Ryles to see Oz Noy and Keith Carlock. However, the Ryles website says Anton Fig (no slouch either) is the drummer tonight. Anyone know if KC is doing the gig tonight??
Hoops - Keep on rockin'! It amazes me that people forget this is your house and you put up the big $$$ and the long hours to keep this site running. You have every right to tell people in your living room to "take it outside".
Mark in Boston
Posted by: PQ, NYCLately I have been thinking how much Steely Dan resembles Thomas Berger and I did a Google which revealed how somehow posted here, on this very Bluebook, a quote from Fagen saying that he and Becker did indeed read Thomas Berger in their formative days. Whoever posted it here did so on Sept 10th. The thought occurred to me while I was reading Sneaky People for the umpteenth time.
I believe the Fagen album is going to have one, maybe two, songs that are going to gain hit status and might even crack the Top 40. I believe the marketing and promotional mistakes of the EMG disc and tour are not going to be repeated.
Posted by: Gretchen, waaay too early for SaturdayMe: Home At Last....roman numerals don't count.
G
Posted by: ph, Your Gold Teeth II (ha!)
If this month's cycle of bullshit is over, I would really like to hear people's comments on "The Gaslight"! My first attempt at asking this either got lost or ignored in the madness.
Hoopsie, you're doing a great job, keep it up and don't change a thing. Though, if I were you, I would block certain IP addresses. :)
Posted by: C, me: zail the waterway
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, CaffeinatingMe: Through With Buzz
Posted by: SandraDee, Poolside at the Pink HotelRajah,
I am surprised to see anyone up so late...I monitor the blue late in the morning as I work eves. I normally don't see anyone up to late.
My name I SandraDee and it's nice to make your aquaintance!
Would you like to play a SD game? (SteelyDan not SandraDee)
I will post the name of a SD song title and the next person will post one whose title begins with the last letter of the last word of the title.
Ex: me:Any Major Dude
you: Everything Must Go
me: Only A Fool Would Say That
Get me?
But just enter the title...I envision one-liner posts with nothing in them but sd titles...and to those who are not aware of the game will be wonderiing what the F**k is going on??? I like it...but I'm also bored at work.... ;-)
winks and *ugs to a SD braddah!!
Yours In The Year Of Our Dan,
SD
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Is it...safe?
Or a bad time to be in love?
Posted by: hoops , And THANK YOU, Ann!
Thinking about Europe 2000 and great Danfans reminds me of a story from Paris in 2000. Forgive me if some of the details are slightly off.
I connected with Pete Fogel and his girlfriend in a park a few hours before the show. This guy comes up to Pete because he recognized Pete from the Plush Video! Get this: turns out this guy just happened to be in Paris on a trip--I think he was from "down under" -- and had no idea there was an SD show that evening. He just recognized Fogel from the "Plush Video." As a result the guy and his girlfriend ended up going to the show! What a story of serendipity.
Sweet dreams, Dandom!
jim
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks Jim and others!
Posted by: hoops , for realHeads up about a review of Marian McPartland's performance at the "Diet Coke Women in Jazz Festival" in today's New York Times. I have the US edition; page B3. Probably on line too. Some of the content of the NY Times is going "pay" on Monday. If I was a woman, I'd hate to be described as a "Diet Coke Woman."
Have been thinking about five years ago, the day after the Rotterdam show at Ahoy. What a great show! Standing only just like Roseland. Jimmy Haslip sat in on bass. And Paris was just a couple of days before; Walter got a special standing ovation from the audience there. Phillippe and Amelia Ray highlighted the Danfest. I didn't know Catherine Deneuve is a Danfan... Whatta night!!
Dan from Phillippines. Thanks for posting. Actually, I am a big Elton fan, sorta in the way you grew up with a group of kids in school and I still stay in touch. EJ's a sentimental fav. I don't like to inundate Dandom with Elton stuff since I get why they aren't quite the same thing but will write more this weekend.
Thanks to those of you who have written in with your supportive posts and comments. Keep posting and don't let the bastard get you down.
"Any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again
When the demon is at your door
In the morning it won't be there no more
Any major dude will tell you "
jim
Posted by: Darcy's Guy, in the trenchesDarcy Proper mastered recent SD: either 2vn or EMG or both, don't have time to visit sd.com's credits page
Posted by: Rajah, keeps on tickingAnd for our departing contestants...the home version of our game... with our sincere thanks.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCthis place has really turned into a classy joint,huh?
i thought Kant Babble and Hassan dribble was bad....
ANN: don't let his garbage bother you, he's a Kantian, consider the source.
HOOPS: you have my sympathy.
"....if he's holding it high, he's telling a lie"
have nice weekend everyone
Peace
A
Posted by: Rajah, a patient manWe interrupt the *fun* here with a real question: who is Darcy Proper and has he/she ever worked on a Steely Dan project?
Posted by: NONS, Wish it was warmerI felt the urge to listen to Grand Funk ... if only to annoy hassan. But no.
R.L. Burnside.
And I'll buy hoops a beer anytime. hASSan won't get the time of day. Or nite.
SkÂl!
Posted by: Ann, BorneoJohn, Dan, Jenny et al,
Thanks for bringing a bit of sanity!
I'm eternally grateful to Jim for the opportunities for entertainment and self-expression he provides.
Seems to me that many posters have forgotten (or never had)basic good manners. As we mature in to adults, most of us acquire the ability to agree to disagree, politely. Mud-slinging is left behind in junior school (or those silly "Wrestling" programmes on TV).
I suppose though, we have to accept that there are some people who, for whatever reason (often medical) never acquire those skills. They are the ones that the rest of us avoid. These poor souls then resort to attention-seeking techniques, fuelled by loneliness and rejection. Classic classroom stuff. They are their own worst enemies.
Have a nice weekend!
Ann
Posted by: Rajah, You go Jenny, you've inspired me to play my Leslie Gore 45s tonight. (Now you realize it's very seldom serious around here, right, good, I got scared there for a sec)
hassan, bad boy, be nice to Jenny. (It's like a jungle sometimes)
This full moon thing is definitely on.
Posted by: Jenny, IrateWhat gives anyone the right to judge others' taste in music? If you don't like it, don't listen, but please don't call someone a "creature" because she might like to listen to GFR. I really could care less about GFR, but the principle really makes me angry! I'm reading this board because I LOVE STEELY DAN. I may not know a lot about jazz or be able to post about obscure musicians, but we all share something. That doesn't change whether I'm a frat boy or the philosopher extrordinaire some would propose they are. Stop stereotyping and try to be a little more accepting and openminded. Not all frat boys are stupid, and even a Steely Dan expert can be an a**hole.
Just my $0.02 from the land of rose colored glasses....
Posted by: Rajah, Grand Funk was big with the teeny boppers just a little younger than me in school back then. Still, they were on the jukebox in senior lounge along with Humble Pie. I wouldn't be caught dead with a GFR record but I really like that song and I'm desparate for a rock n roll thrill now and then.
When I slap on that Frigid Pink album is when I'll know I've gone too far.
Dolphy's second incarnation was the most radical change of any recording artist. I can't think of a guy who started out in one direction and just morphed into something so different. Miles, Joni, spring to mind.
I agree with Freud, it's all about scoring chicks. But doing it with humor never works, you have to be moody, brooding, nervous, dark and tortured, they love that. Secret of Donald's success with the ladies.
Posted by: Golden Tooth Ferry, Up on the HillNow it all makes no sense. It's a Full Moon on the rise, hitting us on Monday. No wonder the Hassanities appear before our very eyes the way they do. Either way, there's folk coming out of lurkdom, YES YES and another definite YES. MORE LURKERS here to post I hollar!
And to agree with PQ here, that Chris Potter CD is Gratitude with the proper Attitude.
Rinse the rave eeh jolie for me and pour me a glass of Black Cowza.
Everyone have a safe and pleasant weekend!
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKThe scary thing is that I think you actually believe that to be the case.
Breathtaking. LOL
Posted by: Rajah, I haven't heard anyone call anyone "petal," since that Herefordshire woman I had deported back in '87...ah memories. Also, "possum."
Peter, whaddo I know from contemporary jazz? I cruise antique shops in New England for Ella vinyl. I played, "Bad Time To Be in Love," by Grand Funk Railroad like five times yesterday. I like rock and roll. Jazz is so weird, obtuse and demanding and it doesn't have any lyrics most of the time, I need a melody and a story or somebody just outrageous like Miles, Monk or Dolphy to keep me interested.
Posted by: PQ, NYCRaj, guess you don't have Chris Potter's Gratitude CD ey? Come on. At least get in the game. :)
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKhassan: Of course, you would know wouldn't you petal?
Rajah: Absolutely! But hey, what do we know? LOL
Posted by: Rajah, RamDissedMake sure Aunt Gina drains the tortellini properly. Pet peeve.
Loved Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur but even better as Ann-Margaret's Dad in Bye Bye Birdie.
Obscure jazzmen issue: how about Chris Potter on West of Hollywood? If that's not his best work, I'd like to be instructed as to what is cause that was some smokin blow riding out that tune.
John, I'll save a seat for you at the Kant Symposium next summer at the Chatauqua Institute, "KantFest '06 - How I Learned to Stop Worrying About What There Isn't and Accept Myself for the Indulgent, Arrogant and Selfish SOB I Am." There's Immanuel Kant Tribute Metaphysicians scheduled: "E-mmanuel Can't" and "Two-Headed Dogmas."
[rimshot]
Ouch.
Thank you.
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKObscure or pompous???!!
God forbid. LOL
Posted by: Uncle Arthur, well, wellAha, Rajah my boy, I see you've finally come around. Yes there is a difference between the Roman REPUBLIC and the Roman EMPIRE, the EMPIRE began with Augustus you understand, yes, yes, well, well, well.
Aunt Gina will have the tortellini especialmente you love so well this Sunday, please come and visit, and I will go over this again with you, molto bene.
Posted by: Friedrich Nietzsche, above the ephemeral babbleThere are those who consider Kant deep; on the contrary, I see him as the "Chinese of Koenigsburg."
Life is to be LIVED as an aesthetic phenomenon, not PLAYED as a glass bead game. My younger bud Hermann came to the same conclusion.
Now, seeing that it is my task to
Whoops, sorry Hoops!
Alright, has ANYONE caught James Taylor and his killer backup band this summer? Report or review, I beg you . . .
Posted by: PQ, NYCHey Jim, since you used the phrase "obscure jazz and blues musicians" let me point out to you that to yourself, and as far as I can tell to the vast majority of your posters, people like Herington and Carlock were "obscure" before they played with Steely Dan. This alone speaks volumes, but let me further point out to you that there are 5 or 6 players on Fagen's upcoming album whom, to those so inclined, are "obscure" and "new" that I've already been listening to for 10 years. So keep that in perspective.
Last point - sacrilege - there is not a single musician on either 2VN or EMG about whom any sophisticated jazz fan would say, "This is their best recorded work." You can harbor this kind of soporific daydream if you like, but it's just not the case. If you really want to hear what some of these players sound like I would suggest Bob Berg's Riddles or Oz's live album, if that's not too obscure or pompous.
And I don't flame and I am not anonymous. I've sat with Jim in person, one on one, just the two of us, and had these discussions before.
Posted by: Dan, PhilippinesAs stated a few days ago, I never thought I would post on this site but I did so after perceiving rightly or wrongly that Elton John was not given his due credit by some poster (that was after consuming a few bottles of red wine which is admittedly not the best time to post but this forum was gracious enough to the post slide). Now I see a similar outrage, this time against Hoops and this time (and as usual) I am sober. I am 46 years old and will never forget my father teaching me, when I was a youngster, that when invited into ones home, respecting the hosts customs and rules in addition to personally respecting the host is the norm and the only decent thing to do. And if one does not like the customs, rules or the host, then leaving the house in a dignified manner is the best option. Hassan likes to dazzle with his knowledge on philosophy which clearly is impressive. But his manners are seriously lacking and clearly undignified. My father was no great philosopher but knew basic human dignity which I respect over philosophical jargon any day. Not only that, my father is now 70 years old and he once told me years ago that, in his opinion, the best band to come out of the 70's is Steely Dan. So he also knows music, despite the generation gap. The guy was far from stupid or naive was he?? I also am not posting behind my mothers dress.
Posted by: John Chartoff, Jamestown, New YorkI'm not a regular poster but I do check in to see what's going on now and then.
I HAVE TO say thanks to Hoops for graciously providing us with a place to talk about Steely Dan and related topics. I can't think of a forum host who is more liberal and tolerant compared to the many other forums I frequent. Every other forum I belong to makes us log in to post. I think Hoops should do the same here. The forums run by most other musical artists do that. Last I looked at Michael McDonald's forum they did that. I belong to some hobby and professional forums and it's not uncomon to see the moderator chide the poster and take down their post because the same thread was brought up 2 or 3 YEARS ago! That's even if the thread is on topic. Or, I've taken time to write an opinion for a newspaper's e-forum and they won't post most views without explanation. There's a lot of forums where the moderator approves or denies every post. Those of you who relentlessly plug your coverbands, books, your political causes, and the like would be knocked over in a second in most other forums. And some of you, how lame can you be when you give the excuse everyone else was doing it? Some of you act like it's your right to post. It's not.
Some of you like Hassan are spoiled brats who pretty much have ruined the internet with your selfish abuseiveness. You talk tough but are so spineless that you can't even leave a valid email address. Why is it that when there is a rare exception with a forum like this, where you are given wide freedeom, some of you essentially spit back in the face of those who make it possible? Moreover, why is it that only one person posted to support Hoopps? How much of this bullshit could have been avoided if people like Hassan would be half way courteous and human?
What are you indulgents and arrogants from Hassan to the cover band guys to Peter Q to Rajah gonna do when places like this go away and shut down because of your selfishness?
And no, I don't hide behind a phony I.D. like some of you wimpmeisters.
John
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHello there, while you are all sleeping, let's post something tangentially Dan, or Dangential, for a change.
Once again in Mojo magazine they managed to write the two magic words: steely Dan, this time it's about the new "Eye to eye"
cd: "Clear state" . 20 years since they released their first two albums, both of them produced by Gary katz and featuring Donald on keyboards. This time they have Roxy music's producer and Donald doesn't seem to be there but in Mojo they say it still sounds like the Dan a lot. i'm waiting for my copy, i'll let you know if it's a "must have" with my poor English asap.
Another cd you may order is the reissue of "Dinner with Raoul" by the "Bliss band", this one produced by Jeff Baxter around 1976 if I remember well. I had the lp, Michael McDonald is there too,it's heavily influenced by what the Dan did at that time, with a little bit of Chicago thrown in it, especially on the last song. Of course it sounds dated now but who cares?
Now you can wake up, time to go to work, have a nice day.
Philippe
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfKant's a wanker.
Posted by: hoops, Huh? Courageous? You post here all the time as an anon -- you wimp! And now you say everyone but me can express their opinion on the board I facilitate. You post here freely and threaten people and then insult people. Any decent person would say with respect, "hoops, I disagree...this is leading somewhere.." Rajah even did that. But you respond by threatening and insulting with lewd posts. If you really cared you'd email me and discuss it like a human. But just like you always have through the years, you can't admit your part in anything and you change the subject when it suits you.
Posted by: hoops, Hassan, nobody was censored until around noon when you responded to my opinion that things were off in left field by spewing fucked up posts about me, etc. Apparently, you think everyone has a right to post their opinion except me. And then when I do, you harrass me. You are the one effectiving trying to censor me. You are saying I can't say I think this is the wrong place for the chat. THEN when you spew your venom, trying to imtimidate myself and others from posting about the main reason for this place --that is censorship BY YOU.
Hey, as a previous post mentioned, you hate a place, then go away. There's plenty of forums for you pig up with your hatred and venom. And you hide in the corner as an anon like you did at the Sofitel.
Posted by: Gretchen, Whore, or perhaps Whore Monger...YOU decide!!Oh, for Christ's sake, lighten up Hassan. Life is too damn short to be wasting your time on a forum you obviously have a distaste for and people with whom you don't feel connected. Times are way too stressful, gas is too expensive, the only thing that can save us now is music. Cracked open a box of "new" old LP's purchased at an antique store in CT and am in my glory listening to cuts like "Witch Queen of New Orleans," "It Doesn't Matter" by Manassas, and "Bad Time" by Grand Funk. Now off to listen to some of Zappa's "Overnight Sensation" and maybe some Buddy Miles' "Them Changes." Cry me a river, babe.
G
Posted by: hoops, Hassan, thanks for clarifying that one post was too extreme. After you posted numerous insults today like that I "think of Mommy when I hear the word c#%t" and the rest, I was beginning to think you were insensitive and dishonorable.
BTW, Hassan, I don't know how you find time to name drop obscure jazz and blues names, talk pig Kant, insult people, write in Spanish babytalk gibberish and be condecending. Only one other person here can do that just as you do.
The anniversarys continue. This week, 5 years since Paris and Rotterdam.
http://www.dandom.com/idanvention/130900-paris/index.html
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Kan't Buy A ThrillHaven't heard the new Macca yet but I'll give you a little heads-up on one that hasn't left my player in a month...
The band is LA-based "Low Millions" and the title is Ex-Girlfriends...
Low Millions' front man is Adam Cohen, the son of the legendary Leonard...Now don't be mistaken-it's a lot of hook-laden pop/rock but damn if this CD doesn't just get better and better every time I play it...
www.lowmillions.com
SOH
Posted by: Rajah, No one is looking for anyone's approval, that would be certain death but if and when Donald gives us another rubric for our repository come January...200...6 or 7, whenever, and if it is rife with allusions ontolgical, then we will revisit Kant. I sense however Donald's record will be downright bossanova and blues. One of those cuts has got to be like "Summer in the City."
The Kantian blog will continue to be germane ultimately.
Posted by: .................., you got that right, FACW. hoopster should have duct tape placed on his mouth and hands and have his guard bitches tied up so he can experience the lack of free speech he imposes here. loosen up that asshole of yours asshole hoopski
death to hoops, the shithole bluebook and his hoodlum ways.
how do you like that new Macca?
Posted by: Rajah, No, hassan, I do not have any advanced placement status and Hoops is just as likely to beeaatch-slap me as he would anyone. He's an equal opportunity pimpmaster web blaster, I assure you. So stop the yelping and let the band play on...
I thought we covered Kant quite well in relation to Steely Dan but the subject is a bit, well, dry. So many great metaphysical references in Danologue, enough for a nicely realized dissertation. But not here.
Joey, how's that Rolling Stones record? The last one I bought was Exile...
Posted by: FACW, my last post here? Hey Raj, hassan: Quine you think of a reason why hoops isn't a flaming 1st ammendment burning asshole? 'Cause I Kant!!
Shut all the damn GBs down. Steely Dan...errr...Paul is dead.
"God is dead. " - Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead." - God
Posted by: Rajah, frat-boy slimDude - those are some of my favorite things!!!
Posted by: PQ, NYCAs first reported by me months ago here, Keith Carlock's drum clinic video is being shot soon. I'm sure most people here get the newsletter, so check it out. AND try to get up to Boston this Saturday night for Oz's gig with Keith on drums!
Posted by: Lurker, For someone who hates the Bluebook so much, Hassan, you sure make a lot of posts. If the Hoops and the Blue is so awful and facist, why don't you post your harrassment at some other forum and leave us alone? You gotta be whacked to keep posting at a place you think sucks. There are 10 zillion web sites out there with probably 10 million boards to post at. It's obvious what you have to say is as applicable to this GB as to any other except you have to get back at this place. You probably run your own site and it sucks........you are just jealous.
Posted by: Lurker, For someone who hates the Bluebook so much, Hassan, you sure make a lot of posts. If the Hoops and the Blue is so awful and facist, why don't you post your harrassment at some other forum and leave us alone? You gotta be whacked to keep posting at a place you think sucks. There 10 zillion web sites out there with probaly 10 million boards to post at. It's obvious what you have to say is as applicable to this GB as to any other except you have to get back at this place. You probably run your own site and it sucks........you are just jealous.
Posted by: Billy Shears, BishopsgateHere's an excerpt from a Macca interview on Chaos and Creation:
Obviously he never set out to log many years of lackluster recordings.
"You're not really aware of that," he said. "You can maybe get a little complacent, or you're not hitting a good patch, or you can think it's great and it isn't. There are a multitude of reasons why."
For a man who seemingly tumbled out of bed every morning of his youth with a brilliant melody, the struggles were painful to listen to. Think "Freedom." What was once effortless seemed forced.
Writing songs isn't necessarily harder for him as he gets older, McCartney said. And for whatever reasons -- time, a happy remarriage and new fatherhood -- he feels he's writing better than he has in a long time.
"I still have this deep love for melody in particular and writing songs," he said. "It isn't any more difficult. Obviously what made it easier then was writing with John (Lennon). He was such a great collaborator. The two of us were on fire every time we sat down to write.
"If he was stuck, I knew that I could help him out and vice versa. We normally sat down for three hours and bingo, a pretty good song came out. We never had a dry session. Every time we sat down, we came out with a song."
That happened up to the end; Lennon even asked for advice on "The Ballad of John and Yoko," he said. "We're not stupid," McCartney said. "We knew a good thing."
Yet it put in place the essential dilemma of his solo years. McCartney seems to intrinsically understand the value of a strong collaborator, but what can compare when you've had a partnership for the ages?
He enjoyed, for example, a brief songwriting collaboration with Elvis Costello that produced some good music ("My Brave Face"). But "you do something like that and it makes it even more obvious that there's no replacing John for me and no replacing me for him."
Hmmm...remind you of anyone?
Read it all at:
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-05/09-15-05/c08co103.htm
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.The original legit theatrical title of Gaslight was "Angel Street," and it's a great play, the Inspector, Sgt. Rough was his character's name, was the centerpiece of the play. Leo G. Carroll was great in the American movie. Ingrid Bergman and Angela Landsbury weren't too shabby either.
Posted by: ph, by the seaAnybody here seen the movie "Gaslight", which "Gaslighting Abbie" is tangeanted off? I saw it a coupla months ago, it's pretty good, but I don't like the ending. The ending is too clean and happy for my tastes, what would have been really cool is if Paula really WAS crazy, and the private investigator who supposedly saves her life, is just a figment of her imagination, and she at some point murders her husband. That would have been awesome. I've read that the british version of the movie, which came first, is better.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCNo more Kant, thank God....I mean, thank Goodness! (And reason)
Iíve been listening to Wayne Shorterís ìNight Dreamerî lately, I really like the title track but, it took some getting used to most of the rest of it. Now Iím more or less hooked.
Didnít quite mean modality of the songs but the overall feeling of "Speak no Evil" stays on medium tempos yet complex chord changes. I have to say that the act of categorizing jazz styles and pigeon-holing different players will often cause controversy, no matter where you go. I look at Most Shorter Tunes and there is no real pattern but Wayne put chords to the melody because their harmony fit. One thing that every jazz composer will often use in their compositions is that most common chord progression in jazz, the 2-5-1.
With very few exceptions, although those are not what I consider real gooood (know what I mean).
A 2-5-1 is the composing procedure of sequencing a 2-minor chord leading to a 5-dominant/seventh chord leading to a 1-major chord.
This leads me back to a very familiar name in these blue parts: Miles.
Miles Davis was the first one to really stop using the 1-chord and instead used it to lead to, say, another 2-5. Wayne tried to stay away from the 2-5 as much as possible but all turn-arounds in jazz are either 2-5's or based on them. It sounds very limited ergo limiting but its true nonetheless. The title track of this album uses the 1-b3-b6-5 in the main theme (b=flat). You can either explain the album in feelings or run through a whole bunch of musical theory that most listeners will not understand. I, personally, don't give a shit how you categorize "Kind of Blue" or "Night Dreamer" or "Speak No evil" but I'm sure Wayne has a hell of a time laughing at people arguing over what his music is.
If you listen to Aja you can get that savvy way Shorter comes in over those snake-like voicing swinging all over the spectrum! Underneath those fat 1-3-2-1 chords and Gadds rolls.
Has anyone else noticed that the Dan use their sax players in a sort of distinct musical entity? I mean, before any sax is introduced on everything from Dr. Wu to to E.M.G.
Thereís this almost completely different music happening and then the sax player comes in on an almost intrusive level, by the end of the piece it all fits together and is almost always brilliant.but that first part is shaky and well, sort of uncomfortable. Maybe itís just me.
Anyway,
later.
Peace
A
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Alrighty then...
In fact Josie could be the theme music to the series.
Posted by: ygk, hereOnly 3 Cream dates in the US - there is no tour.....(insiders confirm)
floor seats at MSG going for several thousand $
Posted by: ............., .......................you dont know shit about philosophy or the Dan or how to run s website, hoopski: why not like go to an appropriate forum for your drivel, like Beach Boys.com, or teh GOP.com or JEdgar Hoover.org, u pathetic little bar n griller. You and yr lightweight born again Steely Dan for Families is an insult to the beats as well jazz musicians
fuck off
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.OK, Kant ist Kaput.
Marcus Aurelius was fully a century and a half later than the timeframe depicted in the "Rome" series. This was the most exciting period of Roman history, stradling the Republic and the Empire. Imperialism is the connecting thread.
Posted by: Dif, Champaign"CREAM ticket in hand"?
a quick search led me to october tour dates in new york, but has anyone heard of plans for added gigs across the land?
Posted by: hoops, Kut the Kant please. The thread has become wayyyyy too tangential--take it to a more appropriate forum.
hoops,
Bluebook guy and financier the joint
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.You have to remember that the society depicted in HBO's spectacularly faithful series, "Rome," was very sophisticated and evolved for its time. It was a superstitious pagan world, brutality and anamilistic sexuality were simply part and parcel of everyday life and politics.
They prayed with eyes on fire. They're replaying all three episodes shown so far on Friday night -- watch this thing, it's riveting.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCH: I'm glad you asked. I do have a problem with it. One must be in order to think.
Required reading: Demasio "Descartes error"
Can someone tell me if McCartney's new one is worth the purchase?
Imho, "Venus and Mars" is his Sergeant Pepper. (Although I do like other selected tunes by him)
Over the weekend I came across an old double album of the Dan being interviewed by Robert Klein, while cleaning out my storage, some funny bits. But they spelled the names Walter Bekker and Donald Sagen of Steely Dan.
If anyone has ever heard Kleinís sketch about trying to start his car on a cold NYC morning, it's hilarious!
Peace
A
Posted by: YGK, nycHoops - will see you in early oct, eh?
Also, got my Cream ticket in hand......
Aja, you bringin' anything?
ygk
Posted by: Alkali, NYCRAJ: Iíve been watching it, it's pretty twisted. To think one of the greatest cultures of all time came out of it!
HASSAN: you didn't even know that Descartes was a philosopher as well?
Never heard of 'Discours De La Methode'?? Wow, you know it's possible to be able to do two things at the same time it's called multi-tasking, try chewing gum and typing.
SEARLE: Iíve read Chomsky and have no use for him. I don't care for anyone who self describes himself as "Anarch-Socialist" nor do I care for people like him i.e. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Clinton etc.
Peace
A
Posted by: Oh Yeah, John Searle = Peter Q
Posted by: Rajah, Found this quote by WV Quine and thought it spanned a few of our bullet points here. Geez I wish we had something from Donald to talk about, really I do, but absent that I offer this to our slightly off-topic (but not really that much) discussion here:
"It is obvious that truth in general depends on both language and extra-linguistic fact. The statement 'Brutus killed Caesar' would be false if the world had been different in certain ways, but it would also be false if the word 'killed' happened rather to have the sense of 'begat'. Thus one is tempted to suppose in general that the truth of a statement is somehow analyzable into a linguistic component and a factual component....."
He goes on, who was it that said that mathematics is consumed with calling the same thing by different names?
Plato I beleieve thought mathematics was a harmless pursuit which in no way endangered the State.
Bertrand Russell, that moral authority, thought the study metaphysics was incoherent without the use of specific language and his place I see as a compliment, as in a polar opposite, to Kant.
He prayed like a Roman, the Romans who emulated all things Greek save for their philosophy and that gay stuff.
BTW, has anybody been watching that absolutely brilliant HBO series, "Rome?" Now THAT'S kinky.
Posted by: Correction, CalNo wwww on that Stanford link, sorry.
Posted by: John Searle, U Cal @ Berkeley Philo DeptKeith Jarrett solo piano improv at Carnegie Hall next week totally sold out. Anyone scalping??
Hassan - get down with it boo - www.plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism
Alkali - please. Read a linguistics book by Noam Chomsky, will you bro?
Posted by: Yawn, hooked on phonicsAnd now can we get back to music-related discussion? There are, I'm sure, other websites in this vast world of cyberspace to discuss all things philosophical. Who wants to start a spirited discussion of a different topic? The winner gets a lollipop...........
Posted by: Alkali, NYCH: a simple lesson/formula for you:
Language is a conceptual tool not a perceptual tool.
A code, if you will, of visual-auditory symbols that denote concepts. To a person who understands language (not necessarily linguistics) it makes no difference what sounds are chosen to name things, provided these sounds refer to clearly defined aspects of reality. But to a tribalist (Kant), language is a mystic heritage, a string of sounds handed down by his ancestors and memorized, not understood. To him and most likely to you, the importance lies in the perceptual concrete, the sound of a word not its meaning.
It doesnít end up as ìmemories located in our nervous systemî
Itís interesting that Descartes starts his system of concept forming by using "error" and its synonyms or derivatives as "stolen concepts"
One of the things I remember Prof. Eisner telling me in high school was this: to reclaim the self-confidence of mans mind, the first modern to refute is Kant; the second is Descartes. Iíve never forgot it.
And so you see, Iíve read Kant and Plato and a sundry of Psuedo-philosphers that you hold in high regard and that succeed in amusing me instead of drawing me to erudition.
Oh and by the way, Iím not coming down to L.A. any time soon, not because the city has opted to exchange culture for crime, superficiality, traffic and the smell of a Portuguese cat house whenever the wind blows but, because Iím afraid of you.
RAJ: a belated 'Buon Compleano, mio amico'
Peace
A
Posted by: John Searle, U of Cal @ Berkleythere be a person post on st al's who actually took a logic course with quine himself and a course on mind/brain with thomas nagel
quine is a complete platonist in mathematics by the way
Posted by: SandraDee, Pink HotelHoops,
Hello and howdy,
I have sent several requests to recieve the newsletter to "subscribe@dandom.com, but have not heard back that
either of them went thru.
Could you please tell me whether you recieved my requests?
Thanks!
Yours in The Year Of Our Dan,
SD
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Posted by: Josey, AtlantaWow! Don't think I can recall ever having seen an ass-kicking threatened on the blue before. This is all very exciting!
Posted by: HeyMike, ChicagoSkunk=Patriot
Hunker down and read the post!
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHey Dan,
Welcome!! Great to have another poster around longitude 120E!!
Thanks for your support of EJ!
Ann
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Dan - Elton is generally acknowledged around here as one of the great pop artists of the last 35 years. It's fair to say maybe his skills have diminished somewhat over time as player, singer and writer but his place is assured. Even later songs like Blue Eyes, Nikita and The One still thrill but that cartoon stuff with Disney is the pitts, he shouldn't have gone there.
Rock of the Westies I particularly admired.
Posted by: Dan, PhilippinesA friend who is a mutual lover of Steely Dan and an occasional poster on dandom turned me onto this site about 6 months ago. I enjoy catching up on some of what is being said here from you SD buff but doubted I would ever post anything. But when I saw the recent negative postings concerning Elton John, I decided to add my my two bits worth. A few years ago, when MTV unplugged was the thing, Elton John said after his MTV solo performance, something like, "how many musicians today can carry a one man show like I just did". Now one has to consider the compositions, the singing and the playing. John is only getting better on the piano and his singing is still spot on. Its food for thought.
Posted by: SandraDee, Pink Hotel...and unable to spell...
Posted by: SandraDee, Pink HotelHe's a missle defense advisor to the Pentagon?
I'm spechless....
Posted by: Ann, BorneoSkunk in Katrina fund raiser
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050911-102254-7556r.htm
Posted by: Clas @ Work, Check out J Browne's homepage. He's releasing a solo acoustic album oct 11. At his site there's pic's from backstage, the man has about 15 - 20 guitars on his solo concerts.
And he's a damn good guitar player too.
Go watch, go listen:
http://www.jacksonbrowne.com
Posted by: Her Brother, burning w/ragerolyerown- Thanks. I was wondering how "No Static" sounded live. From the clips I've heard they sound like one of the better SD tribute bands around.
Posted by: rolyerown, Out in the ValleyI caught a performance Saturday night of No Static at All in Folsom, a suburb about 20 minutes east of Sacramento. The lineup consists of a three-piece horn section, bass, drums, guitar, keyboards, lead vocalist/percussionist and two female backup singers.
Any band with the cojones to cover Steely Dan better be good musicians, and this outfit certainly had them. They did a very creditable job with their renditions, and the crowd was generous with its applause and cheers -- way beyond the polite, token clapping you normally hear at a tavern. Of course, the crowd responded most strongly to SD's most popular tunes, such as "Reelin' in the Years," "Do it Again" and "Hey Nineteen." However, the band also performed "Lunch With Gina," "Janie Runaway" and, most surprising of all, "Dr. Wu."
One amusing aspect of the band was that its backup singers were clearly not even born at the time SD was created. After the show, I asked one of them how that happened, and she replied that her dad is the bass player.
Posted by: FACW , pH, hoops: Chaos and Creation in the Backyard is wistful in the typical McCartney sense, but it is also something very rare in the McCartney solo catalog: Challenging. Lyrics are introspective, autumnal, almost an apology for all those silly love songs over all those years. McCartney sounds best with the vocals doubled or in harmony with himself. The album immediately is a vast improvement over Driving Rain - the songs are more complete thoughts. Fine Line, Jenny Wren, Friend to Go, English Tea, Too Much Rain, Riding to Vanity Fair, Follow Me, Promise to You Girl, This Never Happened (strong vocal performance), and Anyway sound strong. Is it a great album??? Could be. But that can only be revealed after numerous listens. Something also rare in a McCartney album.
I could be wrong, but Anyway sounds like a Goodbye. Macca's Last One?
Posted by: Rajah, il PassettoYeah, I often wondered what they put Father B through deep in the bowels of the Vatican but I imagine it certainly involved sleep depravation and a protracted audit of Thin Lizzy, Blue Oyster Cult and...wait for it...F-O-G-H-A-T!!!!!!!!!
Got a dime for an old altar boy?
Baba Get Thee (Far) Behind Me Satan Rajah
Posted by: Joey, " Best recollection was a guy named Father Birmingham who was a trained exorcist, I shite you not, as all Jesuits are but he had the advanced course in Rome for many years, he was one scary MF'er "
Ouch ! ... The ADVANCED course ..........................
Shiver ........................................
He MAY have been a secret fan of Steely Dan ( One never knows ....... )
Flacky !
Posted by: Kant Rolling Over In His Grave, Konigsberg, GermanyYeah, I would definitely recommend you study the Critique of Pure Reason with Alkali rather than at, say, Harvard or Stanford. Oh yeah.
Posted by: Rajah, AMDGWell yes, my dear Joey, but it's not like I'm a defrocked Priest or anything but...close, many years with the Jesuits, very fine men, tough as nails. Best recollection was a guy named Father Birmingham who was a trained exorcist, I shit you not, as all Jesuits are but he had the advanced course in Rome for many years, he was one scary MF'er. Peter Blattey spent many weeks researching, "The Exorcist," with him. Actually, Father B actually appears in the movie, in the Rathskellar scene at Georgetown U. in deep conversation with Father Damien. Father B walked around with a pack of Kools in one shirt pocket, a pack of Camels in the other and I'll never forget him telling me that although he had been a devout servant of the faith for upwards of forty years, man and boy, he woke up every morning wondering if he really truly believed in the doctrine. He was a fearless spirit and I'm certain that wherever his brave soul rests, it is exactly where it should be.
And yes, Alkali, Kant's theories have been seized upon by many factions, relativists, the situational ethics crowd, many others for their own political puposes but he is compelling nonetheless. What lies behind the veil of perception remains unavailable to most of us but there have been certain individuals I've encountered who really made me think twice. Father B was one of those people.
Posted by: Joey, " So it was, thank you, and I think of all the wonderfully dense philosophical tomes the Jesuits led me through, Dr. Quine's were the most difficult and rewarding. "
Personally , I spent eight years with the Jesuits ( High School / College ) ................. but Rajah ........:
" If I were able to perceive a thought without a word attached to it, or perhaps inhabit a state of conscious being devoid of thought, I believe that might be the first step ............. is it Norath's Ship, Morath's Ship, something like that, referred to in an ontological work by the great Prof. Van Orman Quine, "On What There Is," I believe it was, where we are presented with the problem of a man floating on the sea, physically in the water, while at the same time trying to build a ship on which to clamber and sail. "
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You Postin' Buddy !
Jacky !
Posted by: Alkali, NYCHi gang,
Someone mentioned Skunk and Elton together. I can see this combo working well.
I mean, we all know skunks work with Steely Dan one particular tune comes to mind ìMy Old Schoolî but, I donít think that Elton is given enough credit on the blue. He is a great song writer, plain and simple. His melodies and his phrasing are very unique. Take for instance the first stanza on ìGrey Sealî or the bridge on ìMad man across the waterî
This is very competent writing. His classic ìSaturday nightís alright for fightingî is rock and roll as it was meant to be; pure, simple and raw. Arguably the ultimate rock and roll song along with AC/DCís ìBack in Blackî.
When you pair him with Bernie Taupin (one of my favorite lyricist) youíve got a great pair of song writers. How can you deny the substance and intelligence of his writings? Since itís the 30 year anniversary hereís just a couple of examples from Capt.Fantastic:
It's hard to write a song with bitter fingers/So much to prove, so few to tell you why
those old die-hards in Denmark Street start laughing at the keyboard player's hollow haunted eyes
And
For we were spinning out our lines walking on the wire/Hand in hand went music and the rhyme
The Captain and the Kid stepping in the ring/From here on sonny, it's a long and lonely climb
Speaking of long and lonely climbs, you people are actually trying to justify Kantian theory? Or as I like to call it Kantian babble. I even pegged Hassans dribble as ìKantian babbleî along time ago. Itís just too simple to decipher his political stance as touchy-feely-cry-baby-bull shit. It gets boring.
Immanuel Kant, for those of you that arenít familiar, is the man who closed the door of philosophy to reason. His expressly stated purpose was to save the morality of abnegation and self-sacrifice. He knew that it could not survive without a mystic base-and what it had to be saved from was reason.
His argument, in essence, ran as follows: man is limited to a consciousness of a specific nature, which perceives by specific means and no others, therefore, his consciousness is not valid; man is blind, because he has eyesódeaf, because he has earsódeluded, because he has a mindóand the things he perceives do not exist, because he perceives them.
The ìphenomenalî world, said Kant [this is not a direct quotation from Kant], is not real: reality, as perceived by manís mind, is a distortion. The distorting mechanism is manís conceptual faculty: manís basic concepts (such as time, space, existence) are not derived from experience or reality, but come from an automatic system of filters in his consciousness (labeled ìcategoriesî and ìforms of perceptionî) which impose their own design on his perception of the external world and make him incapable of perceiving it in any manner other than the one in which he does perceive it. This proves, said Kant [this is not a direct quotation], that manís concepts are only a delusion, but a collective delusion which no one has the power to escape. Thus reason and science are ìlimited,î
said Kant [this, again, is not a direct quotation from Kant]; they are valid only so long as they deal with this world, with a permanent, pre-determined collective delusion . . . but they are impotent to deal with the fundamental metaphysical issues of existence, which belong to the ìnoumenalî world . . . [which] is unknowable; [but] it is the world of ìrealî reality, ìsuperiorî truth and ìthings in themselvesî or ìthings as they areîówhich means things as they are not perceived by man.
This is the shit that the so called modern intellectual is trying to peddle.
Which brings me back to Steely Dan. isnít it ironic that they are fans of Burroughs who said that we are spoon fed by our so called superiors to walk the straight and narrow and to stay within the lines, throw away any notion of individuality.
ìThrow away your newspaper spoonÖ.î
ìI decline to walk the lineÖ..î
Peace
A
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Posted by: Rajah, So it was, thank you, and I think of all the wonderfully dense philosophical tomes the Jesuits led me through, Dr. Quine's were the most difficult and rewarding.
Posted by: WVO Quine, Harvard YardThat was Two Dogmas of Empricism, not On What There Is.
Posted by: Rajah, If I were able to perceive a thought without a word attached to it, or perhaps inhabit a state of conscious being devoid of thought, I believe that might be the first step. Or perhaps if comatose, existing but not thinking, like, after a few too many Cuban Breezes. To be willing to entertain this aspect of Kantian theory is not to understand and subscribe to it but merely allow for its possibility. I'm reminded of the syllogism of, damn, is it Norath's Ship, Morath's Ship, something like that, referred to in an ontological work by the great Prof. Van Orman Quine, "On What There Is," I believe it was, where we are presented with the problem of a man floating on the sea, physically in the water, while at the same time trying to build a ship on which to clamber and sail.
Steely Kantianisms:
I wish someone would open up the door.
Any world that I'm welcome to.
On the other side of no tomorrow.
Made alive a worldly wonder, often told but never seen.
That shape is my shade, there where I used to stand.
Western science she strictly rinky-dink.
Who's gonna break the shape of things unknown?
Go bang zoom to the moon on things inknown.
Just a thrill away from punching through the cosmic wow.
Places and events slip below the horizon line.
While I watched myself lurch across the room.
We could sail to the bending end.
Are you all part of the dreaming?
Title track from TvN could be on a syllabus for Ontology 101.
Turban's smoking, need to ventilate.
Posted by: ph, I wouldn't say the new Macca album is as good as Band on the Run, or even close, but it is rather pleasing and rather stripped: very high emphasis on lyrics rather than instruments (though this isn't immediately apparent from the first track). It does quite remind me of his Beatles days, with tracks similar to "Here, There and Everywhere", "I Will", and many of his Abbey Road tracks.
But I'm sick of stripped albums! I want some mind-blowing guitar solos and heavy use of synth!
Nobody is as perfect as Steely Dan, is what I think I'm saying.
Posted by: Noumenal Systemic Backlash, Konigsberg, Germanyu said u don't follow kantian theory and then u said u are incapable of perceiving a thing apart from the sense experience of it, which is kantian theory.
all time extra credit question where is the reference to kant in a steely dan lyric?
Posted by: DWB, ...Happy belated candle wishes for the turban man.
And regarding the new Paul M. album, heard some of it on French radio and it did sound like 'old' Beatles stuff, never really liked PM's music, always seemed too much like kindergarten lullaby doodles in my book, still, if reviews are positive, maybe those reviews are a bit on the dot this time. What I heard sounded 'mature' enough. Maybe he'll be able to reach a new audience who, as a result of his album, will work backwards and check out the Beatles.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Perhaps the appearance of a thing and the thing itself are different aspects of the same reality but I don't know that I'm capable of grasping a thing apart from the sensate experience it evokes. Except in abstract, in my imagination, which, once I've concocted or fashioned or conjured it, becomes, by Kant's definition, a phenomena and poof...there goes my noumenal gambit out the window.
I bet the Dalia Lama or Ram Dass could do it but I know myself, I'm too limited for that abstract, some might call it higher, cognition.
Maybe Walter's new record might help.
Posted by: ed (roseland) beatty, somewhereHoops,
DITTO ON ROSELAND HOLIDAY
ED
Posted by: Rajah, No, hoops, no more candles on my cake, the sight of fifty of those suckers on fire almost gave me a coronary last year. Thanks for the good wishes though y'all, I appreciate that.
As for noumena, I don't subscribe to Kantian theory, phenomena are difficult enough to decipher, what I sense has often enough been quite misleading. It's good to know your limitations and experience has taught me to not be so sure about things. I used to think I knew everything; I'd like to think I know better now.
Which brings me to McCartney. I haven't heard the new one but if I did still trust my experience I'd predict that it'll be a bit uneven but a bit brilliant. This guy has lost a lot of people in his life waaay too early, his mom, his bandmates, his wife. I think he's got a very brave face, he's lost a lot of his swagger over the years but he remains an icon, no one can take that away from him. If I had one criticism of his solo work it's that at times he's reached out too far when perhaps he might have waited for the inspiration to come to him in its own good time. We're all guilty of a bit of that, no matter what our pursuits. Life seems to have a pace of its own, trying to speed it up or slow it down are cardinal sins against nature.
Course I could be wrong.
Posted by: hoops , Oh yeah,
Happy second anniversary of Roseland 2003 Weekend. We should have off as as national holiday.
jim
Posted by: hoops , I have to wonder this about the new Paul McCartney album: In the past 15-20 years, I keep hearing how THIS NEW ONE from PM is The One where Paul breaks new ground and returns to form of early-to-mid-70s, if not the level of the Beatles. He supposedly finally gets back in the groove. I heard that about "Flaming Pie," the one he did with Elvis Costello (who supposedly was fill the void that Lennon left), and a few others. But then another new PM album is released and then IT is the one that is Paul's return to form. So I have to say I am skpetical of the positive reviews of the one out this week. Admittedly, there's not a McCartney album I like completely from beginning to end. I'm not trying to throw stones but am asking for some enlightenment in this area. (I will leave the writing credits switch from Lennon-McCartney to McCartney/Lennon debate for some other time.)
Based on news reports from L.A., this is one case where Rajah can be happy his cake has more candles on it than he'd normally like. Have a good one, R.
jim
Posted by: ph, Just in case you want to know:
McCartney's "Chaos and Creation In The Backyard" is quite awesome, as we all expected. I highly recommend you pick it up.
Posted by: PQ, NYCJim I was in town this week, looking for the record store where the guy makes his own posters but I couldn't find it.
Posted by: hoops, Now *that is* funny, PeterQ.
Posted by: PQ, NYCActually Hassan's probably the only other person here who knows what the Noumena as expostulated in Kant's Critique of Pure Reason is. I'm not him, however. I don't post here.
Posted by: , It's a Little Bit FunnyIsn't it funny how Hassan sounds like PeterQ?
Posted by: SteveeDan, For shame, for shame "Irving".
I'm amazed by how much effort you put into this petty BS.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHoops: Many thanks for the info about Skunk playing on the live Elton John album.....I hadn't realised that he had worked so closely with EJ. Now I understand why EJ walked on stage when the Doobies played Manchester (UK - January 1975) to the sheer delight of Skunk, the other Doobies, and of course, the audience!!
Dan: Thanks for the Steely tribute bands info, especially the Stockport(Greater Manchester) one. Hopefully I'll be able to catch them play if I can visit the Off-Spring. Yes Dan Folks, that day finally came (yesterday) when I had to kiss the Off-Spring good-bye and send her off in to the big bad world of academia, 9000 miles westwards, in to the murky streets and skies of Manchester. A piece of me has gone with her.....will I need my Dan pals now for consolation!!!! We had the weekend in Singapore before she finally left....what a cool, civilised city it is!! Picked up the digitally remastered version of "Countdown" for around US$10. DVD-As haven't quite caught on yet though, so I'm biding my time for those. There's no begging in Singapore but busking is getting popular. Saw the coolest kid doing it. He was 6 and drumming along with a pre-recorded guitar, etc track...most amazing co-ordination!!! Watch out for the name in about 10 years time: Ethan Ong
Great idea to have the American Red Cross on the Blue!
Ann
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandRajah - hope all turns out better than expected on this significant day. Happy Birthday, amigo!
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Not So MuchBuon Compleanno cugino!
SOH
Posted by: Irving Azoff, Thanks for the links to those SD tribute bands.
Steevedan- Don't forget to email the new "Dutch" Steely Dan tribute band and "wish them the best of luck". Welcome them to the "Steely Dan comunity". Let them know that they sound good, but will never be as great as your band. Also tell them that they can never perform the song "Pretzel Logic" because not only do you own the rights to that song, but you also own the rights to the name as well. Just a reminder.
Posted by: Rajah, L.A. Growing old is mandatory, thank goodness growing up is optional.
Posted by: hoops, 9/11óespecially those of you directly touched by it--are very much in my thoughts and prayers today.
The new 2-CD Deluxe Edition of Elton John's "Captain Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy" features Jeff Baxter's brief stint with the new Elton John band in 1975. The extra CD features the entire album performed live and JB is on all the tracks. Skunk plays steel pedal on the title track, making it better than the original album; he is introduced as "Jeff Baxter from Steely Dan and the Doobies."
Posted by: Ringmaster Dan, Two new websites have been added to the Steely Dan Fan Webring--Check'em out!
The Steely Dan Project (Dutch Site)
http://www.steelydanproject.nl
A Dutch tribute band, that consists of 13 fine musicians. Check the site for info about the project, gigs, photo's and soundfiles.
Steedy Dan .. Steely Dan tribute Band
http://www.steedydan.co.uk/SDHomepage.htm
Steedy Dan North west Uks premier Tribute band based in Stockport , greater manchester
See all the sites of the Steely Dan fan webring at
http://www.crickrock.com/cgi-bin/webring/list.pl?ringid=steelydan;siteid=1
Dan
Posted by: Fagen Audio Crack Whore, Nearly Dan nearly eak out a living:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/stepanich/entries/2005/09/nearly_dan_how.html
Peace to all victims and families of 9/11
Posted by: Clas @ Work,
New artwork at the Steely Dan Gallery; "Medical Science". And new Cows, hidden in the bushes.
NEW: My Collected Correspondances with Our Boys.
http://www.steelydangallary.se/
Posted by: Daddy G., NJSINGER, GUITARIST 'GATEMOUTH' BROWN DIES AT 81
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2005-09-11-gatemouth-brown_x.htm
BATON ROUGE (AP) ó Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown, the singer and guitarist who built a 50-year career playing blues, country, jazz and Cajun music, died Saturday in his hometown of Orange, Texas, where he had gone to escape Hurricane Katrina. He was 81.
Brown, who had been battling lung cancer and heart disease, was in ill health for the past year, said Rick Cady, his booking agent.
Cady said the musician was with his family at his brother's house when he died. Brown's home in Slidell, La., a bedroom community of New Orleans, was destroyed by Katrina, Cady said.
"He was completely devastated," Cady said. "I'm sure he was heartbroken, both literally and figuratively. He evacuated successfully before the hurricane hit, but I'm sure it weighed heavily on his soul."
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Posted by: FACW , Don: Thanks for the roadsign. Absolutely great stuff. Expect a lot of orders I'm sure. I'm afraid your band's great cover of Lazy Nina has resided on my computers for years. You guys really shine on .Road Movie, Tough Love, North, Big Money, LN, etc. Tough Love sounds like a hidden gem Prefab Sprout never released, with better guitar licks. Congratulations!
Posted by: Kurt & Sara, HoustonHey gang! Long time since the Houston and Dallas Danfests, not to mention Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, although I'm a regular lurker.
Given the exceptional circumstances, wanted to go on a tangent from SD to cover bands to a request for help with some Hurricane relief work we are doing. We have started a program to foster pets made homeless because of Katrina and it's really taking off.
Sara is a vet. She started this program to get supplies to the animals about a week ago. People who evacuated to Houston in their own vehicles took pets, but donít have a place for them now. Also, remember the government evacuated people to here, but made them leave their pets. So now there are groups rescuing pets that are left in the devastated areas, plus the government has now started to let people take their pets with. But a lot of human shelters wonít take pets.
So either way ñ the lost ones or the ones that people brought ñ theyíre ending up in local shelters with no room, no food, etc. Shelters generally euthanize pets when theyíre full.
Our local shelter in Galveston made a pledge to keep pets 60 days (instead of the usual 7-10 days), but they need help. Theyíre getting hundreds or thousands of animals at a place built for lots fewer.
So Saraís supplies & cash effort, plus convincing local folks to foster a pet, is going to help keep these pets alive and hopefully reunite with their humans later. Youíve seen that the news media are catching up and starting to talk about it. Well, now weíre expanding the effort to other local satellite drop off spots for supplies, we've started a bank account that people can donate to, weíre even going to people (Vets and Pet Stores) we know in other states to help.
We started with the Galveston Co shelter, but we know itís way bigger than that. We were watching TV tonight, and they had a big star studded concert & telethon for the people. We thought, ìHey, what about the pets?î Think about the ties to New Orleans ñ the jazz, the musicians. So we were thinking how do we get a musical benefit going for pets? Sure Steely Dan, the Dead and the Allman Bros would be our cloud nine fantasy-hey, Donald did a fundraiser for a school albeit The Rundgren's school ;-) - but to be more realistic, maybe a cover and tribute band fundraising event in Houston would be a reasonable possibility. Any suggestions?
If you want to donate money from anywhere, or if you are in the Houston or Galveston area and want to donate pet supplies at our drop-off points, please email us at the address above.
See ya and thanks,
Kurt
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, As a music geek or whatever,I like to make up little lists.
Here's one.
Jazzy songs by non-jazz artists:
Joni Mitchell-Harry's House-Centerpiece,The Hissing of Summer Lawns,Blue Motel Room
Teena Marie-Tune in Tomorrow,Shadow Boxing,Casanova Brown,Sunny Skies(the last 2 songs featuring Stanley Clarke)
Marvin Gaye-Trouble Man
Sting-The Dream of the Blue Turtles,Consider Me Gone
Prince-Venus De Milo,Power Fantastic
Rufus & Chaka Khan-Better Days,Earth Song
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThe latest Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering August 28-September 9, 2005. (There was also a Digest sent a couple of weeks ago, covering August 13-27.)
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
ó Fagen tour?
ó Top Gear article
ó Steely Dan meanderings
ó New Album from Amelia Ray features Herington
ó REDUX: Latest activity from Becker and Fagen
ó REELIN' IN THE YEARS: Roseland Weekend 2003, 9/12-13/2003
ó ó R.I.T.Y: Set List for Roseland 2003 both nights
ó ó R.I.T.Y.: Roseland 2003
ó ó R.I.T.Y: Roseland, Roseland 2003
If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter (definitely not to be confused with the glorious Official steelydan.com or Official donaldfagen.com newsletters/mail lists), please email me or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest
jim
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoThe new 17-song Monkey House CD anthology (w/ a remastered version of the band's cover of Donald Fagen's "Lazy Nina") BIG MONEY: SINGLES REMASTERS RARITIES 1992-2005 includes guest shots from David Blamires (Pat Metheny Group), Kevin Breit (Norah Jones), Mark Kelso (Gino Vannelli) and Richie Hayward (Little Feat). Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/monkeyhouse to hear excerpts, purchase, etc. Reviews:
"Slick horns and vocals that recall the likes of Steely Dan and Level 42"
--Mississauga News
"Fine jazz-inflected AC numbers"
--The Record
"Well rendered arrangements that merge pop, soul and jazz"
--Probe
"Off-centre lyrics with fully accessible jazz licks...very cool"
--Smooth Jazz Now
Posted by: Moonflower, Pictures by my son-in-law of the devastation:
http://walling.smugmug.com/gallery/786547
Posted by: Moonflower aka Mary, Charleston-MattoonHi my Danfan friends and Happy Friday!
I hope everyone is fine, happy and healthy now - we all have had a rather eventful end of summer and first few weeks of fall.
As some of you may be aware, my oldest daughter (Tammy) and her family were forced to evacuate from the New Orleans area a week and a half ago. They lived in Harahan (Jefferson Parrish) and are unable to return to their home. They evacuated that Sunday morning to Houston and are now relocated in Baton Rouge, LA (100 miles from N.O.). The one beautiful thing is that they are all safe and reasonably healthy (Tammy has bronchitis this week). Fine time for getting sick, eh? At any rate, Garth, her wonderful husband, has made many oodles of trips from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, packing their things, moving the stuff to Baton Rouge as well as setting up a new office in Baton Rouge. It's been crazy for them and so sad in many ways. We all keep looking on the very brightest side.....houses and stuff can be replaced - people cannot. So, say some prayers, cuz this is not over yet. Baton Rouge has grown mightily in population since Katrina hit and all the U-Hauls were rented as well as a much of the baby food, formula and diapers being depleted. Garth rigged up a flat bed truck and Tammy stocked up on baby food, diapers and formula in Houston. They are taking it one day at a time and I believe that Garth will travel back to Houston today to pick up Tammy and the children to take them to their new house. He made an offer on this house and the owner accepted it, charging them $48 a day rent until closing. I am going to try to get there around Halloween - I figure that's a happy time for the kids.....
Anyhow, if you want to help my kids and grandkids, you can send checks or items to:
Tammy & Garth Cook
c/o Mary Garrett
304 Crestview Dr.
Mattoon, IL 61938-4624
moonflowerATconsolidatedDOTnet
If that is not your thing, at least donate to the Red Cross (see link above).
Love,
Moonflower
Posted by: Also tonight, on NBCKayne West will also be performing:
"When I talk I sound like a four year old"
& his brand new smash hit
"George Bush hates black people"
Posted by: angel, Shelter from the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast
(turn on your TV set at 8PM, it will be there, everywhere)
This is by the same producer who Did the Tribute to Heroes Concert after 9/11.
Set List
Randy Newman "Louisiana 1927"
U2 "One"
Alicia Keys (Gospel Medley)
Neil Young "Walking to New Orleans"
Foo Fighters "Born on the Bayou"
Mariah Carey "Fly like a Bird"
Paul Simon and Wynton Marsalis "Take Me to the Mardi Gras"
Dixie Chicks w/Robert Randolph "I Hope"
Sheryl Crow "Where has all the Love Gone"
Rod Stewart "People get Ready"
Kayne West "Jesus Walks"
Garth Brooks "Who will Stop the Rain"
Dr. John (TBA)
Posted by: SandraDee, Pink HotelI have made similar comparisons to D & W's music. D being more lush and sentimental than W...Nightfly alone is so adorable in the pictures it makes in ones' minds' eye.
But I venture to say that, maybe, their music/lyrics are their alter egos and that as ascerbic as W's stories are...he may be the more gentle-ben and approachable of the two.
I miss some of the heartful lyrics of the old Dan, they smacked of sage advice and tenderness, "Won't you tell her that I love her so,"
and that's just one example. You know what I'm talking about, right?
The stories were all about fast living characters but the first person narrative was a sound-minded person with everyone's best interest at heart. (EMG lacked this human quality....but I still love it!) I miss this tender side......immagurl.
But I found Walter to be quite a gentleman when we met at the end of EMG. Though D didn't show, I thought his abscence spoke...
I speculate that they write what is most difficult to deliver face to face.
My two cents...
Yours in the Year of Our Dan,
SandraDee
Posted by: hoops, I've pondered the same from time to time but I also have to point out, what part is songwriting and what part is development and production?
Maybe something starts out as a simple melody and then it is developed into something more compled or "jazzy" or...
As much as I have tried to disect, I have to say, it's not really quite that easy or like Lennon/McCartney.
BTW: Hats off to the McCartney fans and their discussion; I appreciate what Macca brings to the table (which is more obvious from all the Beatle's solo albums), but I am not especially a fan of Paul's stuff. I could get into an expanded Greatest Hits compilation but the non-hits leave me cold. Just IMHOófeel free to enlighten me :-)
Thanks to all the comments lately, 'spec SD.
jim
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThe first thing I notice when I compare Becker with Fagen is, as someone mentioned before, the difference in composition.
Fagen tends to be Jazzier perhaps a bit lighter on guitar and heavier on the horns.
Where Becker is bluesier and more rock and roll-ish with an obvious emphasis on percussion.
Respectively I think you can go record for record and distinguish between the two on some obvious tracks
Becker vs. Fagen:
Change of the Guard/Turn that heartbeat over again
Show Biz Kids/Razor boy
Night by Night/Parkers band
Daddy Donít.../YGT2
Donít take me alive/Green Earrings
Josie/Deacon Blues
My Rival/Time out of mind
Cousin D/West of Hollywood
Slang of Ages/Things I miss
Now, Iím not saying that these were written exclusively by one and not the other but that one had more influence over the other.
The real magic that happens is when Steely Dan takes over i.e. when the two contribute equally or as close to balanced as possible, itís those tunes that blend the two heads or should I say the four brain hemisphere/eight heart chambers into one composition.
You know it, that shiny and throbbing-hard-as-a-rock-Steel-Dan that a cat canít even scratch.
Itís the tunes where you hear both of their parts and none of either at the same timeÖ
Songs like Dirty Work, My old School, Monkey in your soul, Throw back the little ones, Sign in stranger, Aja, Hey Nineteen, Janie runaway and Godwhacker just to name a few.
If side A of Abbey road is McCartney and the other side is Lennon then the Royal Scam is Becker to Fagenís Aja.
The thing thatís astonishing is that both of Fagenís solo records could easily pass for Steely Dan but 11 TOWÖnot so much!
New Frontier, Tomorrowís Girls, Lucky Henry and Surf and/or Die are as good, both lyrically and musically, as anything that Steely Dan has ever written.
The lyrics of New Frontier are just as sharp and relentless as Surf and/or die.
The score on Lucky Henry is as smooth and sophisticated as it is on Tomorrowís Girls and yet these are all very different songs.
If you can imagine the four melted together youíll have side A of a never before released Dan CD.
The thing that has me pretty much stumped are the lyrics, itís much more difficult for me to decipher between the two.
Although if I were pressed Iíd say that Fagenís words are closer to that cool beatnik style than Beckerís. And Beckerís are more contemporary and phonetically important than are Fagenís.
If you close your eyes and think about the opening of ëMonkey in your soulí where Beckerís fatback chord bass line follows those hand claps and bent and wobbly electric guitar note and then Fagen barks out ìI got one and you want four ÖÖ.. ì
I ask you, is there anything else to be said?
Peace
A
Posted by: Jenn, just another big cityFor the paitence and Love you continue to provide us.
I Love you Gare..
Blowin' away
you love fire
I'm mad with desire
You're my favorite one
Got Me cookin with fever
Got My love runnin' for the sun
I feel so high
I feel like i may
go blowin away-
My well meaner
My day fancer dreamer
Oh what can it be
Well it's somethin' like a power
like a hold and it's holdin' me
I feel so
I feel like I may go blowin away.
My long laster
My soft hearted master
Ain't been born and bred
But he's standin' in my doorway
In my mind-
Up above my head
I feel so high
I feel like I may go blowin away-
Laura Nyro
From: Us to you The Melrose 5!
Posted by: DWB, ...Whoo, Lance Armstrong is not just 'some biker'... he fought cancer succesfully and spends a great deal of his time and money involved in cancer organizations and research...
Posted by: Clas - on Halcion and gone..., http://www.steelydangallary.se/
Did you guys know that I had a short career as a crack rock journalist back in the late 70's and early 80's?
Check out the collected correspondence with the Steely Dan, or maybe it is their management, at:
http://www.steelydangallary.se/
Posted by: Clas, Baghdad CafÈ
Dr John, among others, on the New Orleans disaster:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7598130
Posted by: PennyK, Long IslandSheryl Crow married Lance Armstrong (some biker).
MSNBC has a story about the making of a new movie, "Superman Returns"...the article is titled "STEELY MAN."
Posted by: Jenny, All over the mapThis is a fun diversion...
http://www.music-map.com/
Posted by: FACW, Anybody have the John Scofield album "Works for Me" with Christiaan McBride, Kenny Garrett, Billy Higgins, Brad Mehldau? Heard a killer track "Not You Again" on Spirit of KJAZ internet radio this am. Only available in IMPORT according to amazon.com
Posted by: Ann, BorneoIDTC: You mean the Ying Tong song??
http://www.thegoonshow.net/songs/ying_tong_song.asp
Spike Milligan was a founder member of the "Goons", the first group to explore "alternative comedy" (read eccentric Brits/Poms). The current patron of the Goon Society is HRH Prince Charles.
What WILL I find on the Blue next??
I love this place!!
Posted by: FACW , $55M
Posted by: LadyBayside, NYC by way of CTDid he actually raise any money? Jerry Lewis I mean. I would suspect his whole telethon, while for a really worthy cause, was overshadowed by Katrina in a big way.
Long time since I'd been here, BTW. Nice to be back. I'm sort of at odds, not working now, so I will have more free time to devote to my Steely Dan pursuits.
LadyB
Posted by: Alkali, NYCIDTC: I believe thatís the ìNa-Na-Na-Na Songî not to be confused with the Policeís ìDa-Do-Do-Do Songî or Trioís ìDa-Da-Da Songî
I caught a little of the Jerry Lewis telethon yesterday and couldnít help but think of Michael Breckerís problems.
I remember seeing a video recording of a jazz festival (Newport, me thinks) probably late 80ís early 90ís where he played his synthesized / amplified alto. An absolutely incredible performance with Mike Stern laying down an ear piercing solo that had Brecker smirking and shaking his head in disbelief. Great stuff.
A little later in the concert was Abbie Lincoln (my favorite singer after Ella) sheís just an incredible singer. Her voice is just perfect.
Anyway, I have to run but Iím working on a comparison between Becker and Fagen...i came up with some interesting observationsÖ.
Peace
A
Posted by: IDTC, safe on the Allegheny PlateauWhat's the song by Spike Milligan, title's something like "The Na-Na Song," that's sort of the unofficial British national anthem?
Posted by: Alkali, NYCThanks D.G.
Peace
A
Posted by: Daddy G., NJSheryl Crow's "The Na-Na Song"
http://showcase.netins.net/web/ssinc/lyrics/tuesdaynight.shtml#track6
Posted by: Alkali, NYCthis may have been posted on the blue before but, has anyone heard of a Sheryl Crowe song that mentions Steely Dan? the lyric goeS something like..."Steely Dan would rather be a hammer than a nail"
it reminded me because i heard her name mentioned this morning on the radio, she announced her engagement to some biker?
i hope everyone had a nice weekend.
Peace
A
Posted by: Gretchen, MaineWhomever my double is, that's very cute. However, I would have worded it a little more eloquently, if at all........doubtful I'd share that kind of experience here. Keep trying, though, with enough practice you may just get it!
Cheers
G
Posted by: Rajah, That sounds pretty good sweetheart. What's in that Calgon, sugar?
We scored the FM double album in our favorite Connecticut antique shop, it's a converted old garage on Rt.1, I love places like this, along with the Kings of Comedy record with Sanborn blowing that Fagen rarity, The Finer Things. Plus an old record with no cover by Charlie Parker called, The Genius Of, the first Julie London album, Sketches of Spain and Monk's Dream in pretty good condition and two incredibly new records of Ella doing Cole Porter and Rogers & Hart, two songwriters who remind me so much, not in style or approach, but in the humorous and playful lyrical bent of The Two. Amoeba Records on Sunset is pretty awesome but you find absolutely NO Miles records in the stax. And last year some friggin bum cleaned out the Frank section...
Now baby, slide over rub some o dat on Daddy's back, oh yeah, I like those icy fingers up and down my spine.
Posted by: Capt Kirk, GenesisKhan!!!!!
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYA quick post while in the midst of studying for a quiz tomorrow. Direct marketing is interesting enough and all, but I need a break! And what better a diversion than The Dan? I just wanted to state that the final stanza in Negative Girl has to be one of the most beautiful, elegant, and near perfect moments I've ever heard in a song. (Hmm, perfection and grace? Sounds familiar. It does indeed put a smile on my face, at least...)
Posted by: Spel Checkur, That would be Steve Khan not Steve Kahn. Link she work fine.
Posted by: pu, Gretchen,
Your Steve Kahn link isn't working. What's up? Any Steely Dan news with him?
Posted by: Gretchen, on a lighter note..........Searching Google, I found a couple of quick news items on what Donald has been up to:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Donald-Fagen
www.stevekahn.com/news.htm
While in Aquavit NY the other day I was pleasantly surpirised to hear "Babylon Sisters" playing during the lunch hour. Late 70's Dan seems to fit well with Swedish/Danish design.
G
Posted by: Clas, Wow, a new book from Sweet. Thanx for the link.
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You guys know that Becker produced a Norwegian band named Fra Lippo Lippi (I bought the vinyl, not much listening too) - I've always wondered what that name came from.
Now I am reading a book on Leonardo da Vincis life, I stumbled upon an Italian painter named Fra Fillippo Lippi in the text.
Posted by: googel my hegel, yamhttp://print.google.com/print?id=8o9umIkqDlQC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=Steely+Dan&prev=http://print.google.com/print%3Fq%3DSteely%2BDan%26btnG%3DSearch%2BPrint&sig=5M9T89cMnQZApQOkg-1Iu4UxWHU
Posted by: SS, HK
TECH SUPPORT REQUEST:
I'm this far away from 5.1 surround bliss...but I'm stuck on the sub woofer setup.
For some reason, can't get the sub working for DVD-As and SACDs. No problem on DVD films and DVD concert films.
Any trouble shooters out there ?
Cheers
Posted by: suedave, home at lastHoops, let me start by extending a huge THANKS for hosting the blue thru thick and thin. I often struggle to catch up, and often when I do it is late in the day/week and am too tired to post...but I've had some time off and well, itís still early and here I am.
Sometimes with all that is going on in the world and our country, it is tough to stay on-topic. I read most of what is posted, including well written opposing political views to try to understand where some of you are coming from, but yup, I must admit that it is extremely unlikely that any of you will ever change my political leanings. Sometimes what you write provides insight into what many of you writers are like as a person ñ for that, I donít mind a bit of it to slog thru. Best part I suppose is that Iím still looking forward to meeting many of you one of these years. My choice of venues would be Roseland/NYC with Maui a close second, but I digress.
The most distasteful topic Iíve read over the last several months has been some people dissiní EMG. My one gripe is that it is too short. And while I do think that Last Mall and Blues Beach seem somewhat out of place in the CD, I often imagine Last Mall as *the* hit song in a Broadway musical about the end of civilization as we know it and I suppose Blues Beach would be a part of that same show. The other EMG songs are beyond compareÖeach song in succession better than the last ñ did it peak with Lunch with Gina? I guess the song EMG drops me down to earth a bit easier than some as the ending of the CD (kinda like FM at the live shows). The bar is high.
Peace out.
Posted by: Dr Wu Band, L.A."You see them on the grass at lunch hour."
Just heads up that Dr Wu is performing this Tuesday from Noon to 2 in Pershing Square, part of the L.A. Park District's Summer Concert Series. Come at 11:30 if you can so we can chat and you are certain to get a seat.
Band website: http://www.doctorwuband.com/band/band.htm
Pershing Square website: http://www.laparks.org/pershingsquare/pershing.htm
Hope all you Dan fans in the L.A. Area will check us out! A great time and as you experience this outstanding band perform the music of SteelY Dan.
Also, we'll be playing the Malibu Inn on Saturday, September 24th, 2005, Two sets starting at 9:15 PM---Doors Open at 8:00 PM http://www.malibu-inn.com/index.htm
22969 Pacific Coast Hwy, Malibu, 310.456.6060
Check out our awesome band and hear what the L.A. Steely Dan Tribute band scene is all about.
Posted by: joker x, fun zoneThe 'Nawlins tragedy is sad but pales next to the tsunami of 12/24/04. That was a wave.
Posted by: Alkali, nycMy memories of New Orleans:
It was two years ago I was 20 and had just graduated from college.
Two of my friends and I decided to go to Mardi gras.
the first thing that I can remember is the flight because when the plane begins it's descent toward the airport in New Orleans there is nothing but bog and swamp almost as far as the eye can see...and then suddenly just like that comes the runway.
It was nighttime so when the cab dropped us off in the French Quarter I was amazed at how absolutely horrid the place looked.
I remember thinking to myself where the hell am I? This is the French Quarter?? This is a dump! (Part of the charm of this section is the age and the architecture. the buildings are small and the roofs are tile and very worn)
So we decide to get these drinks that we see everyone walking around with they're called Hurricanes. They are a mixture of fruit punch and Lord knows how many different types of booze and served in a tall hour glass shaped glass and of course the obligatory straw. Well, the danger of these things is that you barely taste the booze until it's too late. We had 3 each and were hammered (partly due to the inedible shit that the airline tried to pass off as food that we didnít eat) we sat down in a place called the Jazz preservation Hall itís right on Bourbon Street.
The pictures on the wall of the people who've played here were amazing everyone from Armstrong to Zawinul. The band that night was called "Bird, Bird and Chambers" two Saxophonists and a trombonist.
They sounded good to me!
Anyway, somehow we made it back to the hotel and crashed.
The next morning Iím awoken by the sound of what I think is a calliope off in the distance, I walk onto the sunny balcony and to my surprise Iím delighted at the beauty of the French Quarter. I can hardly believe that it's the same place as the night before.
I get my CD player sit down out there and listen to Monk and some Ella, it was great.
Then just for the heck of it I put on Pearl of the Quarter, this was never my favorite Steely Dan tune but, I felt it my duty to listen to it in an appropriate place, it didn't help, I still don't like it.
Anyway, most of that week is blurry. with vague and fragmented memories of beads and girls doing things to get them, parades everyday, Dixie beer, Jackson Square, Benyaes(sp) and really good coffee, Louis Armstrongís Grave, The Mississippi and hangovers.
Little did I know that might be the last time Iíd see that city again. Maybe no one will ever see it again.
Peace
A
Posted by: Clas @ Work, Ohhh ouch... longest bridge over Pontchartrain... I suffer from agoraphobia, had to drink a couple of beers or take a couple of Xanax when I had to go over that one. The first time, when me and a friend came with Greyhound from Florida I didn't belive what was happening when we came on the bridge. I had done a lot of partying the night before so I thought I was hallucinating. Couldn't see land no where when we were on the middle of the bridge.
I was sailing again, kind of.
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I thought my cellphone rang but there's some noise in the end of Jack of Speed, right?
Posted by: Daddy G., NJHere are two links to the same article about New Orleans and its music that was in my local paper the other day...
A BLUES FOR NEW ORLEANS --- By Dan DeLuca, Inquirer Music Critic
The hurricane that swamped the Big Easy - at least for now - silenced the music in one of the most musical American cities.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/12549415.htm
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/12546614.htm
I'm pretty sure there's no real diff between the two links except that the second one says it was posted friday and the first one saturday (yesterday). As always, viewing Inquirer articles online requires free registration and they're only available for one week from the day of publication.
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It's not a very long article, but it concludes with this...
[ With Armstrong by her side in a 1947 movie named after the city, Billie Holiday sang "Do You Know What It Means to Miss New Orleans." If you've been there, you do. Because the music stays with you when you go.
And it calls you back. One of the two songs I haven't been able to get out of my head is "Crescent City," by Lucinda Williams. In her cracked soul voice, she longs to drive over the now-ruined "longest bridge over Pontchartrain" and reach an unchanged place, "the Crescent City, where everything's still the same."
The other is Randy Newman's "Louisiana 1927," a lovely piano ballad about another natural disaster. "Some people got lost in the flood, some people got away all right," he sings. But while there's sorrow in Newman's voice, there's also stubbornness. "They're trying to wash us away," he repeats over and over, expressing a determination that it'll never come to pass.
In these dark days, one can only hope that such defiant spirit will prevail, that the waters will recede, that the city will rebuild.
Surely, the music will always be heard. But after Katrina, the unchanged place is certain to be changed forever. And we'll all know what it means to miss the New Orleans we once knew. ]
Posted by: Clas,
I have improved the map over America. And there's a new Black Cow in the Gallery as well, check it out:
http://www.steelydangallary.se/
Posted by: Webster, Hoop's...You're a 100% correct. If I could go off topic one more time I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.....
HeyMike,
The only thing that was more on the button than that Michael Moore letter was Moore's movie "Fahrenheit 9/11".
Good night... and my God bless (if their is a God)
Posted by: hoops , Back over 4 years ago, I was asked by more than a few to create a Guestbook where people were a less rude and more focussed on SD and tangential topics as, among other reasons, people were getting put off about their SD tangents being lost amongst political rants, anonymous flames, etc thereby creating a low signal-to-noise ratio for SD discussions and related tangents.
I appreciate and very much respect that Danfans are deeply moved by certain major eventsó9/11, the London Tube bombings, New Orleans devastation come to mindóand I think it's touching, to say the least, that people feel close enough that they think of this place as the touchstone to connect and console. That's why think a number ofóbut not allóof the New Orleans posts have been really healthy to us all. We're human. I can't say enough what it means for people to come here and touch base in tradgedy, although I wish the tradgedies didn't happen.
At the same time, it seems some can't help but refrain from trying to win political converts or resolve the problems of this world's (and perhaps even the next world's) via this forum. I'm wondering: Would frequenters here prefer or find appropriate a second blue (perhaps "the Dark Blue"?) for discussing politics, flaming, backbiting, debate of current events? I have to admit, I have other outlets for this sorta thing and that's why I'm not as fond of them in SD contexts...as I feel alternative outlets are more productive for how I would like to take action in some of the very same matters that also concern you.
But I am also concerned about the original purpose of the original blue and that we remain true to it.
As some have suggested, why don't I just take down what I don't like? Well, despite what you may think, I actually don't like to mess with this stuff. I actually do agonize over such decisions and use it sparingly. As such, it costs me a lot of energy that diverts me from my primary love writing and conversing on all tangents Steely Dan.
The charity angle LWO and others discussed was the Danfan community at its best and I have you all to thank, respect and admire for that; personally, the opportunities to donate are so ubiquitous so I am just letting others handle that, hopefully finding the most direct ways to get help there. On top of that, we have a program for displaced Tulane students who are fullfilling their course work with our classes.
You know, I was hoping more people would write about their musical memories of New Orleans, rather than the political issues.
In the 1990s when I would put together the Dandom Digest late at night in downstate Illinois, I had a view from my office window that looked out on the horizon where Amtrak's City of New Orleans train would go by. I knew when that train would go by that I was working late and I should shift gears to do the Digest. Despite seeing that train go by, I actually never have been to New Orleans (!). Mardi Gras and Jazzfest always happened during bad times in the school year; and during the summers it was too hot and humid there. Where I lived in East Central Illinois had this odd air current that actually gave us weather similar to New Orleans, so I am told. So I could deal with a break from sweltering summer heat and humidity and N.O. wasn't the place for that. I also was familiar with New Orleans through my imagination. Sure, there was the discussion we had when Ken Burn's "Jazz" first episode aired. And in Grad school, I had to design a boat dock for The Vieux Carre (sp?) near the French Quarter on the Mississippi. (I couldn't visit the site so my project was awful!) Does humming "Pearl of the Quarter" count as a New Orleans experience???
So I have to say I was hoping to hear more about some Danfests there were in New Orleans as well as other musical or tangentially Dan experiences. Seems like the best way to focus on New Orleans these days, as terrible as the news reports are. Maybe it can send good karma on for the future.
So those are my thoughts, admittedly somewhat conflicted and all. I hope you appreciate my attempt at honesty and openness to possibility.
jim
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Suburban Virginia?Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist died Saturday evening at his home in suburban Virginia...
W, "The President" will now get to name 2 Supremes (pending Sandy Baby's retirement)...
Assuming that Diana Ross will not pass the pre-screen and Florence Ballard is dead, I'm really pulling for Cindy Birdsong and Mary Wilson to get the nod...
Moron that I am...
SOH
Posted by: hoops, Article on Marian McPartland recording a PJ show with Madeleine Peyroux at Tanglewood this weekend:
http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-mcpartland.artsep03,0,898451.story?coll=hc-headlines-life
"Josie" is on the radio.
jim
Posted by: Alkali, NYCFACW: Very well said.
SENOR W: You have my vote for president.
Peace
A
Posted by: Top 40 Charts.com,
European group "DHT" and their cover of Roxette's (Sweden) "Listen To Your Sternum... sorry, Heart" has entered at number 9 on the Billboard Dance Radio Airplay charts for the week of March 19, 2005.
Cool uh?
Posted by: Say it again:,
-Looking down at the road rushing under my knees.
-Skate a little Lowell George.
Posted by: SeÒor Wences, Senor Robin Williams Peace Plan muy bueno!!
"I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan
for peace. So, here's one plan."
1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their
affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo,
Noriega Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good ole boys', we
will never "interfere" again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't
want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed
sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and
leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder
will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or
where they are. They're illegal!!! France wil! l welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90
days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation
will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and
don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't
need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers.
If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.
6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy
wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but
will require a temporary drilling of oil
in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel
for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can
go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells
filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we
will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds,
rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them
are stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very
little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't
need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building
would make a
good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one
can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is
ENGLISH..
learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your
poor, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling,
'you want a piece of me?' "
Posted by: FACW , HeyMike: Yep. The only way to evacuate N.O is BEFORE a Cat.4-5 hurricane. Lake Ponchatrain is to the north, St. Bernard Parish to the east is completely flooded, the Missisippi River is to the immediate south, and a huge swamp to west. NO WAY IN OR OUT reliably except by helicopter or boat. There's not enough helicopters on earth to evacuate 100,000 folks. The Governor and mayor and residents know the area best. They are all personally responsible for evacuation. Plus TWO HUNDRED New Orleans Police QUIT because it was "too dangerous."...the City's Finest...what's wrong? Fox's "Cops" cameras were not on board? Parts of Louisiana has a huge welfare system and little opportunity or education. This builds a system of dependence and helplessenss for some, lawlessness for others. Having said that 70,000 people from the greater New Orleans area are able to "evacuate" most Saturday nigths in the Fall for beer, cajun food and LSU football. In retrospect, the gov. and mayor should have announced
FREE LSU FOOTBALL
FREE BEER
FREE JAMBALAYA
FREE SNOOP DOG and GIRLS GONE WILD
I GUARANTEE only crickets would have been left in New Orelans!!!
In short, it's the people of New Orelans and state government of Louisiana who did not pull together, who did not plan, who did not react, not necessarily the country, but it is further deplorable for politicians to use this tragedy as a football.
Most of the images we're seeing are from one unfortuante area among many. And uniqe. What we are seeing would likely would not and DID NOT occur in other parts of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. They ALL were wiped out. My family has lost of friends il LA and the gulf coast. One friend Dana near Gulf Shores has 4 families staying with them whose homes were destroyed. Still Tens of thousands may have been trapped in St. Bernard Parish. No cameras or hope there, I'm afraid.
Should the National Guard, armed and ready for Baghdad, USA have been deployed in N.O. days ago by air drop? Probably.
Michael Moore: Yes, Bush is responsible for every bad thing that's happened to anybody's life going way back to Biblical times...He has control over all hurricanes, the heavens, and earth. The Jews are responsible for everything else.
"Its", etc. There ARE many stories of success, heroism which are not being covered by the national media In Texas, there are tens of thousands evacuees are now in Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Huntsville, and In College Station. 15,000 Latinos from New Orleans are being placed and are resettling in the Houston area. Shelters, support teams here, Red Cross, 211 resources are in full gear here. Many of the children will be starting school Monday. Thousands of Tulane and Loyola and University of New Orleans students have been allowed to transfer to the University of Houston, Texas A&M, University of Texas etc. and will attend classes beginning the upcoming second week of the Fall Semester. My brother's an MD at Ft. Detrick and will be sailing up the Mississippi to N.O. on the USS Comfort, a Medical ship (I suggested he bring a Destroyer, AK-47, and bazooka).
Peace.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCDid someone say that this tragedy should unite us!?
are you kidding? if the attacks on 9/11 didn't how could this?
i mean, we had democrats blaming the republicans and the jews for that.
and we have them blaming the same people for Katrina.
you know,it never ceases to amaze me that people would actually point the finger of blame toward everyone except the guilty party and in this case to a fellow human being rather than nature.
and that these same sick individuals would praise Michael Moore a propagadist who shouldn't be exhalted but shot and pissed on.
Raj's telling of that poor dog literally brought a lump to my thoat and so i'm donating even more than i usually do to animal welfare.
Peace
A
Posted by: HeyMike, ChicagoThe commander in Chief of the louisiana national guard is Kathleen Blaco (D) Look at drudge today and see the hundreds of soaked buses stranded in N.O. These easily couldve been commandeered by the mayor in a crisis. When the President says he's not pleased with the effort, it is this inaction that he is referring to. We have given every state and every major city billions for homeland security. What has Blanco done with theirs? Hoops, you have edited before, a letter from M. Moore has no place on here--peace and out
Posted by: ph, looking for my pearl of the quarterI don't know if anybody even wants to see this, but there are aerial photographs by the NOAA of Katrina's destruction available through Google Earth, which is a quite fantastic program, I might add.
http://earth.google.com
Posted by: Gretchen, mind boggled...........I have to agree with Suedave about the tones of anger here. The tragedy in New Orleans should be something we are all united in, seeing that an American city has been destroyed, along with the lives of it's inhabitants. This has nothing to do with party lines, it's not a liberal nor a conservative issue, but an issue of human suffering and death which most of us have never seen as a result of a natural disaster on our own soil. This is something that seems to occur in only the most remote places; we are so secure in thinking we as Americans are totally exempt from this kind of disaster that this was a wakeup call of the rudest kind. We see people stripped of their most basic needs, witnessing the filth and atrocities that are occuring in the "shelters" and the toxic flood waters, and it's a painful sight. If nothing else, this experience should wake us all up to the fact that material goods and petty arguments mean nothing. I am going to look into training to become a red cross volunteer for the future, and in the meantime try to contribute something to the relief effort.
Peace
G
Posted by: SandraDee, Pink HotelI agree, hilarious!
I was in Pompono Beach when K hit Fla at level 1. My first hurricane.
Sunday drove down to Key West and watched K on the tv at the Green Parrot with the locals. Needless to say, there were plenty of rooms to be had. I started my binge at Buffet's Margaritaville...and, yes, I got 'wasted away again in Margaritaville...' :-)
I think D & W should post their status so we can all be assured they're okay.... ;-) (That's my tangential part).
My heart goes out to any of you still awaiting word on loved ones...
Peace.
SandraDee
Posted by: Clas, Oh, the old Fever Dreams are in store. Fun. Those were the days.
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I got an email from one who lived closed to my friends down in Slidell, and he says that the damages there wasn't the worst. They'd cleaned up 80 fallen trees, only in that subdivision. 3 feet of water in the houses.
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I know it's not the right time for flaming Bush now, but that M Moore post was hilarious.
Posted by: Original Robert, Look what I found:
http://cordmeyer.spymac.com/
Posted by: suedave, short vacation from my basementI agree 200% with Hoops (hi Hoops!), some of you are waaaaay out there. Where is the does that anger come from anyways? Where is the sympathy?
I've seen the old Clas; this Clas has been on the right track lately and is now looking for his friends. Why have certain members of the blue been so rude? Give the guy a chance to screw up again before pounding on him. And why would anyone in this country feel so superior to denounce other countries who have much to offer, whether it be a political system that works for them (that is not being forced on us) or assistance to the US in a time of crisis? Nevermind, you probably don't know your mind, but you sure do show your colors.
LWO, Stevee, you both have shown nice ways to help! LWO, be on the lookout for an email from me . I did my part today as well. My local radio station was taking song requests for anyone who sent over $50 to the Red Cross targeted for helping the victims of Katrina. I sent a donation and requested Pixeleen - I don't think it got played but I did get name dropped/thanked by our Steely friendly DJ (though it would have been way cooler to have heard Pixeleen on the radio).
Posted by: hoops, passing thru, rolling eyesMan, some of you are way out there. Done yet?
Posted by: Rajah, Thank you for another marvelous show, Steve, complete with YGT I&II, SIS, Kings, Rose, and my new fave, Fire in the Hole. Evan Daum has become a very strong presence up there, props to him. But your best moment was when somebody wanted to hear Throw Back the Little Ones and you pounded out the opening four, nicely fielded, you scared the band a little, they looked like they shit the liquid as our dear Joey would say, wondering if you expected them to kick it all the way through. Your facility with this catalogue continues to astound. Your brass section has improved geometrically over the last couple years, the chart Benny Golbin fashioned on that very classy out to Daddy was tasty as the old timers used to say. Love that boy's ear and imagination. However the Bondage Baritone sax harness has to go, either that or Benny has to wear leather hotpants to go with the ensemble. Seriously, I think the harness gives a sax player more leverage, helps the attack...call me crazy. The different forms you guys are giving the ends of these tunes keep things very interesting, the dissolves, the stop times followed by the resolves, the flourishes, the jubilee endings of course, show a lot of creativity, communication and sharp execution. Me lika dat berry berry much.
But what on earth would Donald's erstwhile manager want to catch a Pretzel Logic wedding band show for, let's see, likes Steely Dan songs, slow Thursday, quilting bee was cancelled mebbe?
And I appreciate your appreciation, Steve, but I appreciate your friendship even more.
Have a great show Sunday at Hermosa Beach.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandPerhaps no one else single handedly has done more to get liberals' asses kicked out of office more than Moore. Keep singin it you fat sack o'shit!
Posted by: BushWhacked, Vacation is over - Open letter to Bush from Michael MooreSorry Hoops - Had to post this.....
Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Dear Mr. Bush:
Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.
Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?
Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.
No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.MichaelMoore.com
P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
Posted by: FYI, Los Angeles, CASteevedan,
Donald Fagen fired Jeff Kramer over two years ago. Peter Asher is his manager.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Next step, The Red CrossRajah - Thank you for last night's poignant introduction at the gig. I must compliment you on the way you are able to express the sentiment that we all feel about this tragedy without coming off maudlin.
That was Jeff Kramer of OK Management Company who was in the audience last night during the first set. I wonder if he has any wedding gigs for us ?
I pass no judgement on how others decide to deal with the aftermath of the hurricane. Whether people send money, or just talk about it, that's their choice. No one has the right to dictate to another how they should respond charitably. The world doesn't work like that.
I fully support anyone's sincere attempt to use their energy positively. Sniping does no good, and it's a poor reflection on the sniper.
SteveeDan
Posted by: Rajah, actually, it's more like...You diminish yourself, yours far outstrips the CNN post.
Posted by: Joey, " We had a President from a place called Hope and as flawed an individual as he may have been, he gave them that hope and that's maybe the one thing humans cannot live without. "
Amen My Rajah .... Well said !
You are much loved by The Joey
Joeykins !
Posted by: It's Like This, Most of the posts about New Orleans and Katrina are a bunch of bullshit. If you really gave a flying fuck you'd sell your surround systems, your high end cars and your i-pods, get rid of your cable TV and cut your reefer and booze budgets and give the proceeds, along with the Steely Dan T-shirts off your backs, to the folks in New Orleans. To most of you it's like watching CSI or Survivor and fantasizing what if it were you victimized. It's like a fantasy-reality show. "There, there. I feel guilty it's not me, so I will give $20.00 and feel better."
The most real post was the one sarcastically asking if this is CNN or something.
Sign me,
It's Like This
Posted by: Rajah, Oh, Ann dear, you could turn a girl's head when you say things like that. Course, others might view it as a clinical inability to shut up. One person springs to mind chiefly.
I'll get to the bottom of the 3 degrees of separation story as soon as possible.
The fact that all the refugees I see on TV are people of color is a further indictment on our country, on all of us. To have nature smack us upside the head is devastating enough, their suffering unbearable enough, but then to know on top of it that the whole world is seeing what happens in this great democratic society of ours to those marginalized people, how we expose those least able to cope with something like this to the greatest danger, it speaks terribly for us and I wanna see that substandard and deficient President of ours down there today, I wanna see what kind of political capital he has to spend down there and what kind of insulting demeanor he displays. I bet you 10 to 1 he has Clinton and his Daddy with him cause the man has very little credibility left. Don't listen to me, look at his approval rating. What on earth were the red states' poorer elements thinking when they voted for him? Did they think his presidency could in any way shape or form better their existence, put a buck in their wallet or give them hope? We had a President from a place called Hope and as flawed an individual as he may have been, he gave them that hope and that's maybe the one thing humans cannot live without. OK, enough.
I saw footage of a dog on top of a vehicle floating in a street down there. He's all wet and scared and wagging his tale in panic, his head and eyes darting around for anything or anyone who might save him. Now I realize people are dying but I felt so damn demoralized seeing that defenseless little creature struggling to maintain hope, the primal need he displayed to live, to survive. For some reason it crushed me, I mean, after all, he was only a dog.
Posted by: Just someone, ...Biblical catastrophes, prophecies in order here? Everything in the world is affected by Katrina. Prices for gas went up with minimum 10% as soon as the oil refineries were down.
And behold what lack of structure, organization and social format result in.
"I recall when I was small
how I spent my days alone
The busy world was not for me
So I went and found my own"
Posted by: The words will make you out 'n' out...,
On Sunday a Hercules plane is heading for New Orleans (from Sweden) with water purification works, medical supplies, technical help for recover telecommunications and temporary shelters.
I still haven't heard a word from our friends down there.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, What difference does it make what color the people who were stealing were?
Like white people don't steal..please.
Yeah I know your agenda,that's why you think the purpose of Live 8 wasn't a worthy cause...don't think I forgot you said that.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWell done LWO, you're a true humanitarian!!
Raj, great to see your brilliant literary ability can be used for serious issues as well as humour - keep up the good work.
FACW, thanks for explaining and putting the whole issue in perspective - it helps a foreigner like me to better understand the issues and causes of this tragedy.
Blue people....donate what you can!
Posted by: I'll be the round about...,
Alkali - it's spelled IKEA, and you can see one of their buildings when you land at the La Guardia (that's New Jersey).
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Walking thru town this evening I saw several posters on a guy named John Anderson, he's coming to Stockholm... when?
-In the near future.
I was about to go buy tickets, I thought it was the singer from Yes.
That's Jon Anderson.
How little I know.
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Thanx for the link, Little Wild One.
//Clas
Posted by: Alkali, NYCHeyMike: here, here.
My heart goes out to some of these New Orleaners butÖ.
the "poor" are always the victims?
Every one of the surveillance tapes I saw from within the stores in Nawlins' showed blacks arbitrarily pulling things off of the shelves and they all had smiles and what I assume were gangster signs for the cameras.
And we all know whoís fault it is Bush and of course the Jews.
ìÖÖand they wondered in from the city of St. John without a dime.î
Peace
A
Posted by: Rajah, Hey look, the girl gave us a cocktail shaker that says "Steely Dan" on it, she can pretty much do no wrong after that.
Posted by: Little Wild One, while the poor people sleepingRajah is just trying to keep us on topic and lighten the political crap being thrown around here. Trust me, there is enough blame to go around in a situation such as this!
And, as for what I can do, my time is better spent otherwise than defending myself.
In the interest of communication, here are a few websites that may help if you are looking for information on particular neighborhoods in the affected area:
http://www.slidellsentry.com/guestbook/
http://www.wwltv.com/forums/
Been listening to Countdown to Ectasy and ALL the songs seem to be so relevant.
Posted by: Charity, Rah why send your check to the Red Cross? Just send it to Little Wild One, I'm sure she'll make sure it all gets to the needy LOL
Posted by: Rajah, All I can do is send a check to the Red Cross.
Posted by: Relevance Man, not ChicagoAnd that comment is relevant to WHICH aspect of the Katrina tragedy? How exactly does that raise money for the victims?
Did you HIT UP the manager for excessive funds to send yourself?
Posted by: HeyMike, Ft of Mt BalzoniRaj--Thanks for the levity...(you do make me laugh more often that not)
Just tired of the liberal whinning is all. There's plenty of websites where you guys can talk each other off the ledge.
We all know the connection N.O. had with our boys and this is tragic and heartbreaking and not the time for finger pointing frankly. We could probably find blame all the way back to the Kennedy adminstration....
Posted by: Rajah, I am relating what was told to us by a member of Steve's band who mentioned it on the street between sets and who happens to be the offspring of the musician friend of the gentleman in question.
That's 3 degrees of separation by my count so take it for what it's worth.
The story is, as I mentioned, developing...
Posted by: Rajah, Mike - I take your point but let's not beat around the Bush, this is a human tragedy for everyone else...but a political tragedy for his Presidency. The buck stops at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (that's when he's actually there). We always look to our leadership, and that leadership has not been good enough for America. We deserve better.
I have eyes, I can see the demographic of the overwhelming majority of the folks who stayed behind in N.O. The poor always pay the price and it goes to underscore the huge divide in this country - a divide widened by our President.
BTW, how are those Dale Carnegie classes coming along?
Posted by: Her Brother, burningGee-- Lay off the newbie. The guy was probably watching TV for the last five days seeing nothing but death and destruction. He probably came here for some relief and all he got was more news of more death and destruction. I can't blame him.
Rajah--So you mean to say that Peter Asher was at the Pretzel Logic show last night??? You sure it wasn't Peter Q pretending to be Peter Asher?
Posted by: ps, ...Rajah, that's a silver lining you offered!
And yes, people were told to leave, but some didn't have the means to leave or couldn't make decisions, not everyone is bright or well-educated. Maybe local goverment failed, but can anyone, any city be prepared when a distaster of this format hits...?
It is sad because most of the people who stayed behind are elderly, sick, lower income and colored people. At least, that's what the media show us.
Posted by: heymike, the foot of mt balzoniSOH--you are a moron. That dimwitted mayor of New Orleans has failed his people miserably! The governor is next in line. What if Giuliani and Pataki had been asleep at the wheel as these two numb-skulls have been. Also, what about the people that didn't leave? They were told to leave days in advance. Bush declared the area a disaster area days in advance. The feds are now stepping it up only after the failure of local government. We cannot by law, have armed military invade N.O. by the way.
whew--
Posted by: DWB, ...well-well... very sad to see so much 'hatred' around here and the ignorance displayed is rather disturbing. even I can see that newbie mississippi post was sarcastic and still people jump at the chance to, let's take this as positive as possible, ventilate one's frustration with the situation in New Orleans and the entire area Katrina alas scorned in her spell.
please, try and stay calm as well as reasonable, many Americans have criticized this goverment's lack of intervention when needed, a few months ago. but that doesn't really matter NOW, does it, the damage is done and all people can do NOW is help, donate money and hope for the best. it is understandable that politics weigh in again and unfortunately, those who oppose this government and its decisions/actions have to deal with it, somehow. but it's not fair to direct anger or frustration towards those who either mean well, are worried sick or feel compassion for what has happened in Mississippi and Louisiana.
If Bush is willing to accept help from other countries, they will help. Countries are willing to send people over to help build and reconstruct buildings, dams and whatnot, countries are willing to share their expertise as well as money. It's got nothing to do with being a liberal, democrat, social or anti-social country or government. This should be beyond politics, right?
So please listen to Little Wild One and others instead who are actually WORKING on getting the chains of help activated!
Posted by: Rajah, Well then here's some news for you: Donald Fagen's manager in attendance last night for the first set at the Pretzel Logic show at La Ve Lee, sitting with a musician friend and spouse.
...developing
Posted by: Gee,, observingMaybe instead of looking for Steely Dan websites, you could focus your attentions somewhat to the west and south and get off your ass and DO something
Just a thought...
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandNewbie, from dandom.com to cnn.com by mistake is one helluva typo. Strange but true - current events will sometimes creep into the discussion here on the blue. Best of luck in your quest.
Posted by: Newbie, MississippiHi,
I'm new here and thought thisÝwas a Steely Dan forum. I think I typed in CNN.com by mistake. I'll keep looking.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandAlkali - unfortunately there's no shortage of countries out there - many of which we've given billions of dollars to - who are taking great delight in this recent tragedy. Of course, when tragedy hits them, we'll be the greatest thing since the turntable.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCJOSEY: that was a very pertinent question you posed a few posts back.
Letís see just how many countries help us out. Iíll wager that I can count the meager donations on one hand.
As far as morally bankrupt idiots like Class-less go you should always consider the source. Heís from a socialist country whoís only contributions to the world is ABBA, wooden shoes and stick furniture called ìIkiaî which I read somewhere means ëinferior productí.
America is the ìthe richest country on earthî you fucking as swipe, not because someone handed us free money but, because our political system is superior to anyone elseís, including your pathetic excuse for a country,and we work honestly for what we make.
Some maybe relevant Dan tunes for the tragedy:
Kings?
Only a foolÖ?
Home at last?
And last but not leastÖ
Third world man?
Posted by: Clas, Josey - sorry for that. It's hard to read between the lines when you don't see the face of the person who's posting.
But you've got one thing wrong, there's no Junior here :-)
AND, USA has asked for help. And Sweden, with its "socialistic" government, are sending resources, people and temporary shelters, to the drowned ares (and our King, dr Mu, is no decision-maker in our country. He's in just for the Glamour Props).
Last but not least:
Little Wild One, thanks, a thousand times, for your concern. Check your mailbox.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandFACW - brilliantly stated amigo!
Posted by: Girlfriend, red wine and FrankApparently you're not alone, Rajah. Here's a slightly more on-topic way to help:
Support Music For Relief and Help Hurricane Katrina Victims
1-800-HELP-NOW, Option 2 (mention Music for Relief to the representative who answers)
Music for Relief, a charity organization initiated to help disaster relief, is calling for your support once again.
The recent Hurricane Katrina has devastated the eastern part of United States. Music for Relief needs your aid to support the victims of Hurricane Katrina. For donations and further information on Music For Relief, please visit www.musicforrelief.org.
On Saturday, September 10th, multiple live concerts will air on MTV, VH1, and CMT to raise donations and awareness for the Hurricane Katrina disaster. The live performances will be held in New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta and Nashville, featuring Ludacris, Green Day, Gretchen Wilson, Usher, Alicia Keys, John Mellencamp, Dave Matthews Band, Rob Thomas, David Banner, Linkin Park's Chester Bennington, and more. To make your donation to the Hurricane Katrina disaster, please visit www.musicforrelief.org.
Posted by: FACW, Baghdad, USASoH: Evacuations MUST be planned and managed largely at the local and state level. The Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana and the people of Louisiana of South Louisiana are largely to blame for not having or executing a plan to get the people out in this scenario - they had 3 days to leave. Not a soul should have been in New Orleans when Katrina struck.
Having lived there for a period of time, south Louisiana is truly the closest place in America to the Third World...and that is BEFORE the hurricane. The mindset is SO different, it's like dealing with folks from another planet. Now once a great place to visit, but... They don't believe much in education, live for parties, whether rich or poor. They elected Edwin Edward 5 or 6 times for governor who plundered its coiffeurs, raped its resources, and ensured that the state had no econommic diversity after being on the brink of success in the early 80s. Randy Newman quoted his Dad in the song "New Orleans Won the War" from the album Land of Dreams as he dragged the family out of N.O to LA. " I wish I could say I'm surprised by the horrendous scene, but I'm not. The place has been a cesspool of depravity (not that we don't like to watch), corruption, organized and disorganized crime for decades.
Randy was very fond of Louisiana - great place for an artist, but no place for a pragmatist:
"Don't remember much about my baby days
But I been told
We used to live on Willow near the Garden District
Next to the Sugar Bowl
Momma used to wheel me past an ice cream wagon
One side for White and one side for Colored
I remember trash cans floatin' down Canal Street
It rained every day one summer
Momma used to take me to Audubon Park
Show me the ways of the world
She said "here comes a white boy there goes a black one,
that one's an octoroon
This little cookie here's a macaroon, that big round thing's
a red balloon
And the paper down here's called the Picayune
And here's a New Orleans tune"
In 1948 my Daddy came to the city
Told the people that they'd won the war
Maybe they'd heard it, maybe not
Probably they'd heard it and just forgot
'Cause they built him a platform there in Jackson Square
And the people came to hear him from everywhere
They started to party and they partied some more
'Cause New Orleans had won the war
(We knew we'd do it, we done whipped the Yankees)
Daddy said, "I'm gonna get this boy out of this place
Bound to sap his strength
*People have fun here, and I think that they should
But nobody from here every come to no good*
They're gonna pickle him in brandy and tell him he's saved
Then throw fireworks all 'round his grave..."
I can't begin to tell you how accurate this song is down to the bone, and told in the clever way only Mr. Newman can.
Picayune in French means "something insignificant." What a name to give your newspaper - that pretty much speaks for itself.
It's important to say that the devastation in Mississippi had been as great although not as chronic, yet the chaos evident in NO has not occurred.
Heck, what happened in New York in 1966 (I believe) when the lights went out one night!? Lord of the Flies. The looting, rapes, murders speaks far more about us and a community and even country than any federal gov.
Did we see this type of mental, moral, spiritual decline in Indonesia? Ceylon? India after the tsunami? under conditions aas apocalytic?
Even Jeb Bush and the people of Florida showed 100 times more common sense last year. Evacuations began 48 hrs + before the string of hurricanes. The Federal Government is Not our nanny! Having said that once the storm passed, (a) we must get more security forces in now - We really should have more national guard, military, Navy beginning at the end of the storm. However, how will people feel when they actually shoot the thugs terrorizing the Superdome??
Our response time has been considerably slower than after the tsunami. Establishing order, whether at our borders, in New Orelans today, or Iraq is not the administrations' forte. They're extremely poor at forward thinking and adjusting to crises. FEMA needs security to operate properly. (c) The levees have needed reinforcing for over 30 years. State, local, and Feds over many administrations, Republican and Democrat have simply not gotten it done. (d) There also have been numerous stories of heroism and rescue. Many families are being taken in and cared for from Baton Rouge to Houston to Austin.
YOU can make the difference. Give now!
Posted by: Rajah, the demon is at the doorI'm getting ready to go see Steve and my pals play those songs I love so much again tonight. I really don't feel in much of a festive mood and I frankly don't think I could be funny to save my life right now. These images on the TV underscore in the most poignant way how much I take for granted, how hard and ungrateful I've become for the life I have, my friends and loved ones, even you anonymous sombitches who dole out such petty bullshit on here. All those wonderful things that can be lost in a flash.
The only way I can begin to rationalize tonight is to offer the evening up as a gift, a musical prayer maybe, dedicated to the human spirit, how bravely we live this very fragile little existence of ours, how every day should be an exercise in the care of each other, reassuring each other that we are not alone. Especially when I hear about the tragedies, killings, rapes, the violence, the depth of the misery in N.O. right now, wondering what's next, and realizing that same very real possibility of danger and destruction surround us all every moment. And how our individual lives and the human saga generally is little more than a cycle of building, watching it all fall apart and building it all back up again. Somehow. We have to show these people down there that when they were left to bleed and die alone and all hope seemed lost, we came to their side, we were there, we did not desert them, our brothers and sisters in arms.
Posted by: Little Wild One, rolling up my sleevesJust wanted to stress that, of course, the Red Cross is by far the best choice for donating monetarily.
I am struck, though, by the other little things that seem to be making a difference right now. One shelter requested kid-friendly dvds and tapes, puzzles and books, linens, the small bottles of hotel toiletries. These are the types of things we are cleaning out of our closets and that I would be more than willing to ferry to a nearby shelter here, should anyone be so inclined to send them.
(Thanks for the forum, Jim.)
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Sick and TiredSo this, New Orleans, is now shaping up as the first true test of our vaunted "Homeland Security" department...
What a monumental breakdown...An international embarrassment of our ability to handle what was virtually a hand-delivered, 5-day notice of impending disaster to a region that surely must have contemplated such a scenario for decades...
Certainly Iraq and Afgahnistan must be paradise right now compared to the hell that is New Orleans...
Homeland Security? This President?
What a fucking horrible, horrible joke...
SOH
Posted by: FACW, Josey, Clas: Yeah, the tsunami relief effort on the part of American citizens, Red Cross & other charitable orgs, private enterprise, corporations, Bill Clinton and Bush 43, and the Feds was just a figment.
Louisiana and Mississippi are certainly not rich - in fact quite poor, but are getting support from neighbors and charity. Refugees are being welcomed here in Texas. Many children estranged from LA will start in their new schools with our children soon.
Besides, Clas expects his Socialist gov't and King to do his charity work for him...I won't hold my breath...
C: al little yuk...There is no OTHER Pearl River..OK, there's an east and west branch. The location is simply to the EAST, not NORTH of Slidell. A small bridge separates Louisiana and Mississippi.
Check on current conditions
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ahps.cgi?lix
Go to www.redcross.org
NOW!
Don't wait for you favorite gov't bureaucratic monstrosity
Posted by: some guy, 9/11 WAS easy to fix, but the administration fucked it up big-time nonetheless.
This disaster is far worse, in property, economic impact, and probably lives. They haven't even started counting, have they?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons islandClas - easy there Gomer - I pulled that quote from an earlier post by FACW and I was basically having a laugh of sorts with it myself. Settle down junior!
Posted by: Rajah, Here's what I'm thinking Steve, a few jokes to limber up the crowd, remind them about who Steely Dan was/is(?) and some of their great radio hits and then announce your new medley:
The Night Chicago Died
Little Deuce Coupe
Brandy
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife are some Jive-Ass Slippers
and the grand finale, this was one of their best:
Come and Smash Me Said The Boy With The Magic Penis
Seriously now, this footage of New Orleans is devastating, it's like some Biblical disaster and kinda, I dunno, please don't take this the wrong way but makes 9/11 seem easy to fix.
Those people need our help.
Posted by: SteveeDan, Los Angeles, CaliforniaTonight the Pretzel Logic band plays at La Ve Lee in Studio City at 8:00 PM. Rajah is handling the duties of Master of Ceremonies. These club gigs are my favorite because we play the deeper cuts from Steely Dan and Donald Fagen's repertoire.
We are also playing on Sunday morning, September 4th from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM at the Fiesta Hermosa event at Hermosa Beach, California. This is an all ages event with no admission charge.
Pretzel Logic is going to donate a portion of the gig money to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. These people need our help NOW !!!
Though I feel fortunate to not have had to live through such a devastating experience, I do feel obligated to help out in some way.
I hope that a lot of people feel the same way.
SteveeDan
(Bandleader for Pretzel Logic - A Steely Dan Revue)
Posted by: C,
Mu - are you saying there's several Pearl Rivers in Slidell? I could only locate "the other", the one on the border to Mississippi.
Watched some footage from Slidell (and New Orleans of course), it's crazy. Can't believe it. It'll take years to recover all that mess.
YGK - I AM googling. Shut up :-)
Posted by: [, Clas- Do everyone here a favor and go back to St. Al's and stay there.
Posted by: C,
On the news: Fats Domino's missing.
Posted by: Clas - Halcion and on..., The Peral River of the Quarter...
Josey - USA, the richest country on earth needs money from Sweden? And Denmark, Serbia? You're joking, right?
Coming from a fairly enlighted country you're sounding pretty ignorant.
Posted by: Little Wild One, Houston too close to New OrleansHello one and all...
Just a quick shout out to anyone here interested in donating any kind of items to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. I would be happy to help get donations of any kind to the proper place, as I have some local contacts, including Bob Eckels, the county official in Harris County who is spearheading the Astrodome set-up.
Please contact me privately. Thanks in advance!
Posted by: Lou Chang, Greenflower Streetph- It doesn't set any record straight as far as the "'76 tour rehearsal" tape being Steely Dan.
I bought this "tape" on ebay a few years back and after one listen I knew I had been taken. I wrote the seller and got my money back!
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons island"I assume, we'll be receiving relief from Sweden and the UN soon...."
Wouldn't that be nice! Can't wait to see the long list of countries that provide help in whatever way. Not that we've ever been there for them...
Posted by: C,
"Across Lake Pontchartrain, in Slidell, Louisiana, Mayor Ben Morris was among thousands of homeless residents who have been unable to communicate with anyone outside Slidell.
Morris estimated 90 percent of the city's residences were destroyed or damaged and that half of its 30,000 residents will be left homeless."
Posted by: C, YGK - I AM using googles. But still can't find that subdivivsion with the Night Hawk Drive who's close to Pearl River. Very strange.
And by the way, I managed to post a message on a couple of pages last night.
Thanks for the links.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWatching the hurricane reports on CNN and BBC World, here in Borneo, my heart and my prayers go out to all those affected. It is very humbling to see the forces of nature over which we have to accept we have no power. Makes me aware of my place in the universe and how petty niggles need to be kept in proportion. I'm reminded of the tragic scenes from last year's tsunami and that the forces of nature affect rich and poor indiscriminately. However, how tragic to see the lack of anticipation of the scale of events. I would have thought that contingency plans would have been activated immediately and the army mobilised even before the on-set. There is no excuse considering the wealth and technology that western governments possess. This event serves as a warning to all governments to get their acts together. Our world is less safe than it was 4 years ago. The next disaster could have human origins.
Peace to you all.
Ann
Posted by: FACW , SteveE: "The other thing that struck me is that even though the forcasts accurately assessed the severity of the hurricane, apparently, people had no idea the massive scale of destruction that the hurricane brought with it."
Most of those folks are poorly educated and their focus is on less pragmatic things shall we say - see above regarding the mayorof New Orleans and governor. Three days before landfall, the hurricane forecast center in Miami had landfall on the LA coast as a Cat. 3-Cat. 5. Officials could have easily accomplished what is transpiring now - buses to Baton Rouge... and even all the way to Texas. Toll could be well over 10,000. They're literally pushing bodies out of the way to rescue others. The helicopter rescue video clips have been amazing and gut wrenching...
Posted by: FACW , C, YGK: A quick head up between urgent family matters. The "other" Pearl River separates Louisiana from Mississippi. Usually about 200 m across, now about 20 miles. The devastatioin, as I'm sure you've seen is incredible. Hard to believe that it actually could have been worse - a dry pocket of air from Texas choked Katrina but not nearly enough. The levies were never reinforced and were too short. They broke, especially near Lake Ponchatrain and 80% of the New Orleans is under water. Slidell is across the lake and east but was creamed as well.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=144498&SecID=2
The Governor and Mayor did not have a real evacuation plan and in fact did not call for a mandatory evaculation until less than 12 hours before Katrina roared in. 100,000 had no means to get out of the city. The parish immediately to the east - St. Bernard was completely swamped
I assume, we'll be receiving relief from Sweden and the UN soon....
In the meantime, PLEASE contribute here - these folks have nothing, homes destroyed, no water, foul conditions nothing...
FEMA listed the following agencies as needing assistance for hurricane victims:
American Red Cross, 800-HELP-NOW (435-7669) English, 800-257-7575 Spanish
America's Second Harvest, 800-344-8070
Adventist Community Services, 800-381-7171
Catholic Charities USA, 800-919-9338
Christian Disaster Response, 941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee, 800-848-5818
Church World Service, 800-297-1516
Convoy of Hope, 417-823-8998
Lutheran Disaster Response, 800-638-3522
Mennonite Disaster Service, 717-859-2210
Nazarene Disaster Response, 888-256-5886
Operation Blessing, 800-436-6348
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance, 800-872-3283
Salvation Army, 800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)
Southern Baptist Convention Disaster Relief, 800-462-8657, Ext. 6440
United Methodist Committee on Relief, 800-554-8583
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