Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 23:54:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah, just getting home

Gretchen, anything you wear becomes instantly chic. Chic is the woman, not the gown. Happy New Year all.

Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 23:31:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

The Becker remix was a nice treat. Thanks, Walt.

Happy New Year, to all the Dan fans here on the Blue.

Thanks for supplying the playground, Hoops.

Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 22:29:09 ET
Posted by: ole&r, cusp o' the year

...listening to the remix....

...little walter's got a ways to go....

happy new year to all y'all, and VIVA VIVA DANDOM!

oleander

Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 21:42:01 ET
Posted by: Denise, snowbound

WB's C$ Remix is a fine listen for new years eve!

http://walterbecker.com/cmhammerhead.html

Best to all in 2009

Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 16:48:08 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Looking for something sub-zero chic to wear this evening

Happy New Year, everyone! Wishing the community a 2009 filled with happiness, health, and prosperity!

G

Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 16:37:09 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

are you signed up for the Walter Becker Newsletter???

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Date: Wed, December 31, 2008, 13:57:15 ET
Posted by: Camp, Mike McD

Anyone know what song is being parodied when he hands out the cookies? The other ones I know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSVq3UOZWCY

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 23:22:37 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,

Rhinoceros is definitely more to my taste...that's a nice blast from the past... although I do like portions of that first Captain Beyond album...

Rhino might be a group Donald or Walter might have paid attention to in a tangential Rascals' (NYC bred) kinda way.

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 21:18:59 ET
Posted by: your best friend, dude

supergroup: clapton, winwood, mccartney, ringo.

2. can someone put the new gauchy stuff up on traders den?

3. just say yes to hr 676

4. i've been doing 48 hrs - its good
http://www.menshealth.com/bestfoods/food_features/The_Worlds_Most_Effective_Diet.php

5. WINNIE COOPER!
http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/celebrity-interviews-danica-mckellar/zIStbadpH5mROyajKRYD35x-9uDOmXj7

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 18:54:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Since "Supergroups" are now on the table, I thought I'd mention a long lost band that was one of my favorites, as a teen.

Rhinoceros was one of the earliest of the "supergroups" developed by Elktra's "Operation Supergroup". They only released a few albums, and never really broke out. Their first album (self titled) was spectacular, though. There were a few singles released from the album, the most familiar (and probably least typical) is the instrumental, Apricot Brandy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kmr-trQI6Y

More typical was "When You Say You're Sorry":

http://vagalume.uol.com.ar/the-butterfield-blues-band/videos/Mpw28epYwZA-rhinoceros-when-you-say-youre-sorry.html

They also kicked ass on the oft recorded "Your My Girl"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-siRUvzo4

Anyway, for years this album wasn't available on CD. A few years ago, I found it and purchased one for my sister for Christmas. This year, I made it a Christmas present to myself.

Good stuff...still sounds great, IMO. Billy Mundi does a terrific job with the drums, too.

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 18:38:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

I posted a nice youtube video on Bobby Caldwell a week or so ago. An awesome, and very underrated, rock drummer...that is, if you judge by discussions that people have about drummers. Caldwell is never mentioned.

IMO, the first Captain Beyond album is the best "hard rock" album ever made.

Sufficiently Breathless was also a good album, but the drumming was nowhere near as hot as the first album (Caldwell was not on that album). Distant Sun is an exception, I think, as the drumming on the studio version (which I linked) is very good.

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 13:26:32 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Captain Beyond - the Deep Purple/Iron Butterfly supergroup? Wow, interesting but like that's major league water bong stuff. I do like Bobby Caldwell's drumming on the first album. Here's their Distant Sun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVUA90uTgY


Crowded House's Distant Sun with Youth and former Supertramp multi-instrumentalist Mark Hart on board where Neil continues to dig that deep Rubber Soul/Revolver vein:

live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qL31wASJeQ

studio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1pyvnw9Sko

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 01:04:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Mu,

I will try to check it out and give it a chance. I respect your opinions, so it's worth an effort.

I'm just not much into pop, and particularly British pop. Never cared much for Crowded House and don't know what Talk Talk is.

But, to go full circle back to Delaney's passing...while I might not care for Together Alone album, I was (and am still) a big fan of Dave Mason's Alone Together album. :#) (And, yes I am aware that Mason is English. Oh, the irony.)

And while I wasn't crazy about CH's Distant Sun, I really like Captain Beyond's Distant Sun.

http://www.last.fm/music/Captain+Beyond/_/Distant+Sun

Have a great night.

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 00:45:56 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Dean: You're certainly entitled. This may be more your speed, "Dance Til We're high"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajC5I8tTcH4


This stuff's *not supposed to be classic* McCartney, but McCartney kinda deconstructed and experimental. There's a sniff of Talk Talk's move to post-music on their string of post-synth albums Colour of Spring, Spirit of Eden, and Laughing Stock...which 20 years later are now being recognized for their genius. Not that this is or is not, but it's cool to see Macca and Youth go here. I dig it.

Paul's frankly made more than decent pop over the past decade beginning with Flaming Pie [with the exception of Freedom]...after years in the wasteland. Tiny Bubble and Vanilla Sky are classic examples:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0W4tl6bMJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPYzZgVYTn0

Date: Tues, December 30, 2008, 00:07:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Mu,

To be honest I thought the first link "Lifelong Passion" was fairly horrendous and mostly unlistenable. But, it is at least something different for the far-too safe and commercial McCartney. (How crappy was that song used in the iPod ad?)

Dunno what John would think about it, but I have an idea about what George is doing in his grave, right now.

I'll try to give the others a listen some other time.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 23:32:24 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

McCartney sounds like he's been listening to Eno and turning it over on the new unannounced Fireman album with Youth (who produced Crowded House's masterpiece Together Alone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCtA4iThjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2D_tLtbGdg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctOkWOv8MsU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoEQnxYpigE&annotation_id=annotation_636137&feature=iv


Lennon has to be thinking somewhere: "It's about *&$%#@ time!"

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 23:06:16 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

There's a future in plastics.

----------------------------
If you've ever wondered what Elmer Fudd might sound like singing Green Earrings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F3nxRDy8-0

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 20:11:31 ET
Posted by: Zim, in front of the fireplace

Anyone around for a chat tonight?

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 19:32:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

RIP Delaney and Freddie Hubbard.


Greg, I was at the show (in Boston) where Freddie fired his drummer, and continued to taunt his pianist and the fill-in drummer. It was bizarre to say the least, and not at all classy. With that said, Freddie was a great musician and the jazz world will miss him.




I'm glad you all enjoyed the David Byrne show. If it was all anything like that clip, I don't think I could have sat through more than one song. I was never a big Heads fan, anyway (but found the occasional Byrne tune acceptable)...but the "show" is far too much for me. I like a lot less cheese with my music, thank you. But, to each his/her own.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 19:05:02 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, comin' home

RIP Delaney Bramlett as well. Delaney and Bonnie and their friends made some of the most genuine rock and roll music of the early 70's, high on my list of all time favorites.

G

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 17:25:08 ET
Posted by: Greg M, RIP a classless a-hole

Wasn't Hubbard that guy that was blowing his horn loudly in a drummer's ear all night? Yeah, that's classy.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 16:53:30 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

RIP Freddie Hubbard. Many have enjoyed your music and the skill with which it was delivered.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 16:36:22 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

The internet is a blessing and a curse. Her name is Natalie Kuhn and here's an interview of her about the tour and the dancing, with a video clip from the tour. She's the one on the left, for those who wish to leer or stalk right along with me. All kidding aside, she certainly seems like a multi-talented young lady. Hope she does well.

http://www.culturebully.com/interview-with-david-byrne-dancer-natalie-kuhn

I particularly enjoyed that vault move over Byrne's head. Tight quarters on the stage I saw them on, and still they pulled it off to the delight of the crowd.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 16:22:46 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

steely dana, I found myself alternating being mesmerized by Byrne's guitar playing and the pixie-esh dancer with the dirty blond hair and the cute dimples.

My only complaint: They did not sing "Psycho Killer."

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 15:49:56 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Casual Fan:
Absolutely agree with your comments about the current David Byrne tour. We saw him here in Va back in November and it was a fabulous show. Entire place was up on their feet and dancing for most of the show. He has an incredible amount of energy for an "old guy" :-) and sounds as good as ever!!

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 15:39:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading Toward the Manatee Bar

Nice link, Webby

I have to say, this Japanese band is probably my favorite Dan cover/tribute band (all my experiences are via youtube, and such).

This guy is the only singer, in any of these bands, that does justice to Fagen's vocals. Fuddish? Oh yes...and entertaining, at that. But, his sound is very Dan, unlike the vocalists for the other bands (which are always painful for me to listen to).

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 15:00:24 ET
Posted by: Web Search, Other

If you've ever wondered what Elmer Fudd might sound like singing Green Earrings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F3nxRDy8-0

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 11:35:33 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

I mentioned here earlier in the month that I was going to see David Byrne and would report back. He's on tour in support of his new CD, Everything that Happens Will Happen today.

I saw the show a couple of weeks ago on a Friday night at the Tampa Theatre, which is an old movie theatre built in the 1920s and which has been remodeled to serve various purposes, including concerts. Haven't looked it up, but its a smaller place and I'd say it was in the 5,000-6,000 neighborhood. Very comfortable and fashionably appointed.

I thank the Blue, by the way, for giving me some unseful insight on concert tickets. I'd been looking all week for tickets through the usual sources. Ticketmaster for the last week showed nothing, but as I had read here on the Blue they sometimes show up last second. I tried that very morning for a single and, wallah, got a front row seat! Byrne is in top shape, physically and danced around quite a bit. Even in his late 50's and completely grey, he has that look that defines new age or punk or whatever you want to call it, with the spiked hair and the big eyes.

Byrne started off with songs from his newest collaboration with Brian Eno, which I eneded up buying on the way out. He was backed up by a smallish band, four-five guys playing various instruments. Had three back up singers, however, and an interesting troupe of three dancers clad in all white who engaged in various rythmic dances, punctuated with staring off into the distance as Byrne sang his observational lyrics. Dancers were very entertaining and added a lot to the experience -- something very reminiscent about Talking Heads days with them.

At any rate, one song in particular off the new CD got the place grooving right away, and that was "Strange Overtones," which I keep listening to since I got the thing out of its case last week. Interesting bass line and it has some real groove to it. Here's a youtbube link, I highly recommend it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQyusKTAh4

After a handful of songs from the new album, Byrne broke into some Talking Heads songs, including Life During Wartime ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around") and one of my personal favorites, "Once in a Lifetime," which always make me laugh when he says/sings "There is water, at the bottom of the Ocean." He also sang "Burning Down the House," which began with his belting out that yelp.

For musicianship, I give the show a solid B. Its not got that same flavor of course of an SD show and its focus on technique, timing, and arrangement, but then again Byrne really isn't going for that. Its a concert designed to promote a new CD and get people up and out of their seats dancing and as entertainment, its an easy "A" in my book. If he comes to your neighborhood, and you want a solid evening where you can get up and dance to some tunes form the 70's and 80's, you can't go wrong with this one.

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 11:35:19 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

ouch, that was a painful video...

Date: Mon, December 29, 2008, 00:45:26 ET
Posted by: Michael,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYx4OEEQyWk

Oh man...

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 17:17:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

A few years ago I looked into my crystal ball, the Rajah possessing a varied array of instruments of divination don't you know, and I predicted the next Steely Dan album in 2010. At the time I was disabused of this notion by some in the know. One of the biggest themes of EMG is that it stands as an endpoint, a farewell. So maybe, maybe those cognoscenti were correct. But farewell is not always goodbye, I think that's some song lyric or other, or if it isn't it should be.

If they weren't touring every year, if they were at odds artistically, lived 6000 miles from each other or something, the handwriting would certainly be legible. But, no.

Steely Dan, unlike so many other bands continue to stand for something. They stand for a fiercely independent spirit, a refusal to trod the well-worn path, a will of iron and a heart like ice. See, cause they're, "steely." [rimshot] Steely in their exactitude, their execution, the raw honesty of the various subject matters of their songbook.

If they are finished, it was all well done. And when I've gone to see them over the past few years, the lump in my throat never seemed quelled by the fact that, aw fuck, here they are playing Peg for the umpteenth time but for the fact they were still steely, still here with me, with us.

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 16:38:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Thanks, Charlie

I will try to find that song, and take a listen

But, for the record, I don't really consider anything not officially released as Steely Dan to be "Steely Dan"...but, that's just me. While I find the occasional tidbit that strikes my fancy, I think the boys have done a fine job with what they chose to officially release (as Steely Dan)...and what they didn't. I think the unreleased stuff is, overwhelmingly, substandard.

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 16:18:13 ET
Posted by: Charlie Greer,

Dean -

Listen to the 2nd half of "Let me Know" (after the bell dings).

Listen to the chord changes and clavine - very reminiscent of esp. the early Dan stuff - think "Yellow Peril"("Minah of China").

PR uses the same rhythms and similar chords on the clavinet(forget that dopey mellotron).

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 16:10:37 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Based on some previous interviews with Walt and Don, it sounds like they don't have much time to work on new stuff while touring. The pace of the tour schedule would support that.

OTOH, Don has mentioned another SD album in the future...so, I disagree with Mu that there won't ever be another SD album. Why wouldn't there be?

I welcome solo and Dan releases and pray we haven't seen the last of either.

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 13:39:22 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Hutch: There could indeed be recording this year, but it's likely the next Fagen solo for a 2010 release date. I don't think there will be any more SD releases...at least under that name. Maybe as a MySpace release under Walter & Donald.

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 12:06:28 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Hutch,

Enjoy the Fab Faux show -- I saw them this past Friday (they did Abbey Road and Let It Be). Amazing show, as usual, from them!

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 11:09:31 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Hutch:

Sure hope you are right about a new SD release in '09!!!!!
And certainly hope there will be another tour next year as well.

For all you Bob Dylan fans: his newest bootleg release "Tell Tale Signs" is AWESOME.


Happy New Year to all in The Dandom :-)

Date: Sun, December 28, 2008, 09:22:37 ET
Posted by: Hutch, rva

The Jean Shepherd piece is now on DF.com.

I wonder how much songwriting the boys do while they're touring. No need for long distance phone calls (Snowbound) so they can just hunker down in the hotel room and throw ideas together.

I'm going to climb out on a limb and say there will be a new SD release by the Fall of '09. They've demonstrated that they can now work quicker and more efficiently in the studio than they did back in the day, and with the core band they have now the chemistry is right. No need for an "interpreter" between the writers and the players.

So will this next one feature guest musicians to any degree? Will this be the one where we see a Carlton or a Purdy on a track or two?



Got tickets to see The Fab Faux on May 5th at The Warner Theatre in D.C.. I saw them last Spring at the same venue. Incredible show. Just amazing musicianship. If you're not familiar, this is Will Lee's Beatle tribute band with Jimmy Vivino and three other top-notch NY studio guys. The music is performed flawlessly... close your eyes and you're there! Last year the show I saw was a mixed bag from early stuff to later stuff, but it's not uncommon for them to perform the entire White Album or the entire Revolver album at a show.
Folks in the D.C./ Maryland area may want to check them out.

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 18:39:40 ET
Posted by: CharlieFreak, Washington Zoo

Well, I am sort of new here...on this site and in the DC area. Just wondering if fellow SD fans ever convene around these parts for drinks and such (other than concerts, all you jokers out there).

So, if you are in the Captial area, post here or shoot me a holler.

BTW, any word yet (or rumors) on SD's schedule for next year? Is a tour likely? Any word would be great.

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 18:23:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Sorry, Charlie

I thought there was more substance there. Not much to see, really.

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 18:22:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Charlie,

Have you seen this recent write up of Free Fall?

http://myjazzworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/pat-rebillot-free-fall.html

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 18:02:18 ET
Posted by: Charlte Greer,

Thanks Dean.

You gotta check out Pat's 1974 solo lp "Free Fall".

The instrumental tune(they're all instrumentals) "Let Me Know" is a Dan inflected/infected tune - esp. the 2nd half w/ the clavinet lead.

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 14:09:32 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Charlie,

Pat Rebillot's Wiki entry helps explain how he may have been hooked-up with Don and Walt:


"Pat Rebillot, born April 21 1935, is a US-based keyboard session and studio musician.

He is associated with fellow session and studio musicians Hugh McCracken, Tony Levin, Steve Gadd, Ray Barretto and Ralph MacDonald."


Gaucho is his only Dan credit, it seems. No new info available (based on a very short web search).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Rebillot

Date: Sat, December 27, 2008, 00:56:03 ET
Posted by: Charliefreak, Washington Zoo

Just got a copy (mp3) of "Were You Blind That Day," the original version of what became "Third World Man."

Having been to Iraq several years ago (and thankfully not involved with that mess anymore), the "Blind" lyrics really struck a chord with me...I've come to the conclusion that they are better lyrics, and Donald's vox on the track carry so much more passion than the Gaucho-issue "Third World Man."

"Bloody May Day/when the wild ones did their looting/and your boys came in there shooting/were you blind that day?"

Pretty much sums it up in Iraq.

"You, safe in your disguise/Who lives behind those eyes?/I COULD SWEAR/There's no one there!"

Pretty much sums up the current administration

Also got hold of the post-accidental-erasure-demo of "The Second Arrangement." Loved it...would give anything to hear what was the 'real thing,' before the unfortunate turn of events in 1979.

Of course, I was 7 then, and didn't give a rat's ass about it until these days.

CF

Date: Fri, December 26, 2008, 18:37:40 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the heater

Craig B you still on this side of the USA?

Date: Fri, December 26, 2008, 18:13:59 ET
Posted by: rAJAH,

yOU'RE vERY wELCOME, mAH bROTHA...

hAPPY hOLIDAYS!!!

Date: Fri, December 26, 2008, 17:40:47 ET
Posted by: cHARLIE gREER,

rAJAR -

tHANKS FOR THOSE FACS!

mUSH aPPRECIATED@

Date: Fri, December 26, 2008, 14:52:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Q-Who is Pat Rebillot, really?
A-Eleanor Roosevelt's lovechild with Conrad Adenaur.

Q-What does he look like?
A-Unfortnately for him, like like his parents.

Q-Why did Steelay Darn use him?
A-Van Cliburn was on the road with KC & the Sunshine Band, dayrnit.

Q-Where is he now?
A-A rest home for electric pianists in Sherman Oaks.

Q-How did he get to play one tune on Graucho?
A-Keith Jarrett was down at L.A. Superior Court that day filing papers.

Q-When did he play w/ SD approximately?
A-It remains unclear. Approximately sometime and maybe never.

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 21:04:52 ET
Posted by: Charlie Greer,

*Who is Pat Rebillot, really?

*What does he look like?

*Why did Steelay Darn use him?

*Where is he now?

*How did he get to play one tune on Graucho?

*When did he play w/ SD approximately?

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 18:47:37 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Another great voice has left us. Ertha Kitt died on thursday.

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 17:18:38 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Wow,There really is a Santa! I know because he e-mails me!

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 16:48:00 ET
Posted by: Santa Claus, back at the Pole

B Ludwig

Santa is not Atlanta...he is a nice guy, trying to help you, not bust yer jibs


was trying to send you the info you needed...but Santa speaks only via email, as are the rules...


no email = lump o coal for you...i had a few left from last night

now i am snowbound

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 12:25:34 ET
Posted by: B. Ludwig, Pulling, PA

Santa aka Bob Atlanta:

I have no email address. I don't believe in that shit.

...but, I do believe in love...

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 11:27:46 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!!!!


KC

And happy/merry/joyous, etc. _____________ (fill in the blank), to those non-christmas celebrators.

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 11:10:29 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Dear Santa, Was I not good enough???? Bikemann17@aol.com

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 10:45:41 ET
Posted by: Santa Claus, back at the Pole

Santa is pooped, and confused....why doesn't B Ludwig leave his email address? I can't deliver his present...

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 09:24:48 ET
Posted by: fezzie, beantown

Wishing all a warm and wonderful christmas and new year....Fezzie

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 09:21:42 ET
Posted by: B. Ludwig, Fruit Basket

Bob Atlanta-

I'm having a very nice Holiday Season, thank you.

And again, although I'm not gay, I think I need and love you.



&&&&&&&&&&&&&&HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL HERE AT DANDOM&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 08:53:36 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, the Sunroom

I'd love an Audi R8, Apollo Silver, buttery black leather interior....


G

Date: Thurs, December 25, 2008, 06:17:38 ET
Posted by: It's been over a year, year

Has anyone figured out how to take ringtones from Donald's boxed set?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 23:40:38 ET
Posted by: chris , nh

thanks santa :)

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 22:22:26 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

I've been a pretty good girl all year Santa. I'm only naughty when asked to be....Does that count?
fkazanow@comcast.net

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 21:40:56 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Dear Santa,,,,Bikemann17@aol.com. I've been a good boy!

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 21:01:02 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Doc - the photos are great...thanks (didn't realize you had so many plates)...think I'll stay away from commenting on the den for obvious reasons.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 20:54:00 ET
Posted by: santa Claus, on the road

now now, Santa wants all good bluebookers to be nice and to include their emails in their posts...then they get sweet treats and surprises in their steely stockings...

I gotta stop feeding burritos to the reindeer!

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 20:49:55 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Thanks, Fife!

Bob Ludwig???...are you having a happy holiday season?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 20:14:44 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Happy Holidays everyone!

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 19:58:32 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Amen, Santa (I'd KICK the presents under Bob Ludwig's tree).

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 19:35:11 ET
Posted by: Santa Claus, on the road

you know, boys and girls, sometimes Santa wants to give out stuff to good little boys and girls, secret stuff, but he can't reach said boys and girls because they post here on the blue and do not leave their email address! Santa likes to deal with email, I'm busy these days!!

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 18:58:04 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Absolutely scatological...yet again...yawn.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 18:57:27 ET
Posted by: B Ludwig,

Bob Atlanta, although I'm not gay, I think I love you.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 18:55:34 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Absolutely scatological...yet again...yawn.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 18:35:38 ET
Posted by: B. Ludwig,

Bob -

Snap a carrot for James William Guercio.

Kick a mick for Andrew with Andrew Oldham Loog.

Pull it with Bobby Columby.

Shove it gently to Don Pardo.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 18:04:28 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Bob L. - tell Jack to say "Hi" to Tom Wilson's spirit for me while you're at it.

Fear not, amigo...if there's enough interest on the part of the readership, details will most assuredly follow.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 16:04:53 ET
Posted by: B Ludwig, Masterthis

Ok. You check with Ricker.

I'll check with Jack Hunt.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 15:00:10 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Bob Ludwig - Stan Ricker told me to hold out a bit longer before spilling the beans.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 12:48:25 ET
Posted by: B Ludwig, Mastering

Bob Atlanta -

Where did you get this revelatory "official" recording?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 11:59:08 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Possible but Jarret's version didn't have any finger cymbals in it, that I recall?...what can I say except "Long as You Know Your Living Yours".

No, this was SD playing "Gaucho" (you know, the version with Sammie Cahn's son on guitar.

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 11:31:29 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the heater

Happy Holidays HOOPS and all of Dandom!

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 11:27:39 ET
Posted by: Where's my, Royalities

Doesn't Gaucho - horns = Keith Jarret?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 10:56:48 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

B Ludwig - at my residence (that is what YOU wanted to know, right?)

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 10:38:54 ET
Posted by: B Ludwig,

Bob -

Where did YOU hear this "official release"?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 10:24:32 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Was blown away yesterday to hear the official studio recording of the title track "Gaucho" without the horns (a really interesting listen).

Anyone else heard it?

Date: Wed, December 24, 2008, 03:58:12 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Carlock is a blessing for all on the bandstand and in the audience.
He can't help himself but move to the front just by the way he hits the timbales.
From 55 Bar to 8000 outdoors with SD to 3000 indoors with Sting back to 55 indoors with Rudder he's just whaling away.
SD keeps him in the pocket a quite bit.
Sting actually let him just go at it a couple of tunes and it made Sting look great as well.
Circus Money is perfect for him, so is Morph.
Donald keeps his studio guys on a shorter chain than Walter - who actually let them rehearse in the studio before going back to record.
And with Rudder he doesn't hold back at all while being very mindful of the bandsound.
It's all good.

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 19:22:36 ET
Posted by: The Big Guy, A Sunburnt Country

From the person who told you about Steely Dan wine, and what a fine wine it is, I now bring you news of Aja tea. Just discovered this the other day, saw a tin of it sitting on a shelf in a cafe. Check it out at www.aja-tea.com

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 16:48:13 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Wlm:

You're right - strike the "joyful", maybe "appreciative" is a better word choice.

But, he's definitely self-effacing - (doesn't call attention to himself).

He's definitely NOT ostentatiously opinionated as say, Frank Zappa or George Carlin were.

Those 2 guys let cynicism beat the shit out of them.

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 15:36:29 ET
Posted by: Wlm, NW

Funny, but "Self-effacing" and "joyful" are definitely not words that would come to MY mind in describing DF.

But .., the public figure is always an ink blot.


happy holidays all...

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 13:47:33 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

RE: "I thought that Donald was of the opinion that it was "creepy" to think that you actually knew an artist based on his public persona."

Great point Nicholas! Touche to DF!

Remember: We always find fault with those people that most remind us of ourselves.

With that in mind, also remember that DF is as vulnerable, if not MORE vulnerable, ironically, than most of your average bears, BECAUSE of his intense sensitivities.

Strangely, I bet DF sometimes wishes he could be as ballsy and seemingly uncaring/disaffected as the dirty mechanic down the street.

Raj, I really like that fact that both, Woody Allen and DF, still remain as self-effacing and joyful despite what cynicism lurks around the corner waiting to fuck them up.

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 11:28:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the heater

Denise that is hilarious!!! Nice Morph scarf!!!

Here are some links to pics of my Steely Dan license plates, and my Steely DEN if anyone wants a little amusement:


http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=38313&l=87af1&id=855894503

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=43430&l=38e85&id=855894503

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 10:06:07 ET
Posted by: Denise, should be workin'

Happy holidays to all Danfans and, of course, to you, Walaka.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzewy83y/steely-snowman/

Date: Tues, December 23, 2008, 07:57:20 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, it's cold here

So, indirectly, how much influence has "Uncle Dave" had on Steely Dan???

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 22:19:43 ET
Posted by: ,

He knows he's creepy....

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 19:39:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

That article by Donald is just...well, brilliant doesn't really cover it. No, my Deacon Blue Duke, no one is whom they seem, it's true. And what I'm left with is that one of the reasons Donald is the great songwriter he is because he knows himself. As well as anyone can, I guess. Cause see, we lie to ourselves so very very well. So well that we sometimes end up believing.

You must read that article.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 19:36:56 ET
Posted by: sf, NJ

Interesting to note that DF's first public appearance, or at least the first one billed under his name, was at Rutgers.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 16:07:34 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

I thought that Donald was of the opinion that it was "creepy" to think that you actually knew an artist based on his public persona.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 14:37:51 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJ

I'm impressed that Don knows how to put those hyperlinks in there.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 13:01:05 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Thanks Doc! Interesting stuff. Can't help but wonder if there's some connection between his disillusionment with seeing Shepherd live and his own early reluctance to perform live.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 12:30:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

a piece by Donald Fagen on Slate this morning:

http://www.slate.com/id/2207058

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 11:40:34 ET
Posted by: Web Search, keyboard

To Kill a Mockingbird director Robert Mulligan died yesterday. SD connection - Dean Parks' banjo is prominent in the soundtrack of his final movie, The Man in the Moon.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 10:28:51 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Snowbound - 28" inches this weekend 10F this morning

Gretchen, in CT at the height of the storm on Friday December 12, around 17,000 customers lost power, mostly in the northern and northwestern parts of the state.

Saturday evening, about 2,700 customers were still without power, generally concentrated in Litchfield County (that would be where we are).

CL&P said more than 100 cases involved repairs that restored power to one customer (that would have been us). CL&P generally focuses on problems that affect the most customers first, he said.

Around our house the cutoff was about 900 feet above sea level. Below that no problems, above that and it was like WW3 had knocked every tree down.

Now we have a lot of snow - but we are used to that.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 10:00:41 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Keith definitely has an unorthodoxed looking way about him when he plays. It draws you in for sure! A close drummer friend of mine put it best when he said: you don't expect to hear what's coming out based on what you're watching. Made perfect sense to me.

As for the criticisms of him only playing the "boom tap, boom boom tap" stuff with The Dan - that's basically all Don and Walt seem to want. One of the criticisms I read on the link that was provided on another forum re: Carlock was that he wasn't anything special based on what he'd played for Steely Dan. I couldn't disagree more! He's playing what perfectly suits that music. I'm sure there are areas within their music where he could snazz it up a bit. But that would also probably get him fired (lol).

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 09:43:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Dean, no, I'm with you, simple things are sometimes the most difficult to impart, with words, with music, with playing, with your heart, with almost anything. And some of the greatest songs ever written were oh-so-simple. McCartney's, "Yesterday," always springs to mind. Simple words, simple music, simply perfect. So my criticism of Maestro Carlock is not that. I just have the sense he's got a lot more in him than what we witness at a Steely Dan show. He's there to do his job and follow direction. And he does it brilliantly.

Brutus, is Keith, "too big?" Well, he certainly is at all times the showman, he leads the band, he's a mench, he's a rock. He invites you in to his performance. And thank goodness for him cause, brother, there's soooo little to watch from Don & Walt's direction at a Steely Dan show. You got the girls, the horn section, Keith. That's it.

Donald & Walter remind me of the two ossified deities in that Ann Rice book, Queen of the Damned. They just sit and stand there for what seems an eternity. It's like their audience isn't even in the room. Sometimes I used to think they were in some kind of twisted contest to see who could project less character, charm and animation.

But that's always been them, hasn't it? Too cool for the room.

Date: Mon, December 22, 2008, 02:03:06 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains

Question: Are the albums within the Donald Fagen box set remixed and/or remastered? I always wondered this. Thanks!

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 20:01:33 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

...does anyone have any info about the video clip that was played during Walter's version of Haitian Divorce during the 2003 tour?

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 19:54:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, under the tree

Big Fan, don't you live in CT? I didn't realize some parts of the state got hit that badly! We even got significant snow and ice on the shoreline, but that's unusual. It's just freeeeeezing here tonight!

G

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 19:40:45 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

No Dean, probably not so much on that one.

But that 20 minute solo on his site gets a bit tiring after just a few minutes and his "live" playing w/ SD and Krantz, although incredible, again, gets tiring to me.

He seems to be, like most of today's drummers, playing the shit out of every nook and cranny they can find.

It's like these drummers, to me anyway, play like they're always playing to impress.

I'd really like to hear KC play w/ Jim Hall or another less ostentatious type of player.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 18:20:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Brutus,

Do you think Keith's playing on C$ (the album) is too "big"? That seems odd to me.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 16:26:43 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

wow, quite a lively discussion here! I hope all of you can go to www.keithcarlock.com and check out the videos from the Montreal Drum Fest, and sign up for the Regal Tip contest...

who knows, you could win a lesson with Keith, and some cool other prizes.

One of the coolest Carlock performances I saw was back in 1995, outside of Philly in Reading , PA in a Sheraton. Keith was with the Heads Up Superband,and they played a couple of sets of Ray Charles music...the band was really hot, and, in addition to keith, featured Joe McBride on piano, and Gerald Veasley on bass...it was a tremendous show.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 15:07:36 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at hme Snowbound for sure now.

Caught Show Biz Kids at Black Eyed Sally’s in downtown Hartford last night. They had their regular sax player – who while very good certainly doesn’t add the style of the actual sound that Gary Blu did. Great place to see a show though and great ribs.

I wanted to get to the show at the Maple Tree last Saturday , but 44 hours without power, 72 hours without cable/internet and 6 days without telephone (and we don’t have cell service here) kinda put a damper on that. God bless 15 year old generators.

I see through Google alerts that there is a Steely Dan tribute band making the rounds in Nashville, TN. I get to Nashville on business a few times a year and I can’t think of better city to see a show. The music club area downtown is just amazing. And there’s even a decent German restaurant across from the football stadium

Have a happy holiday everyone!

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 14:51:32 ET
Posted by: My vote, For Carlock

Jeez Doc, what did you start here?

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 14:25:05 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Sorry fellas, Keith's playing seems always too "big" for me.

Good question Serrat: "Can Keith play brushes well"?

Is he capable of playing to be "felt" rather than "heard"?


Raj, what do you think?

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 12:46:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Raj,

Are you falling into the trap of thinking it has to be difficult to be good? That's doesn't seem like something you would say.

But, for the record, when I was talking about his work on C$, I meant the entire album. With that said, I agree with Josey that his choices on the title track are cool as shit.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 12:27:21 ET
Posted by: Web Search, where i am

Similar Carlock discussion on usenet a couple years back

http://tinyurl.com/8fhkme

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 12:05:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Really now, c'mon lads, what Keith does on the title track of C€ is nothing much more than what he did at halftime at the University of North Texas.

What I'm saying is he's got so much more potential...he shouldn't waste any more time keeping time for two old codgers like Don & Walt.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 12:02:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Pandora is an interesting concept, and one I have checked in on for years, now. Unfortunately, for me, I don't think the "music genome" approach will ever work for me.

Every year, or so, I give Pandora another chance, and it always breaks down, under the "illogical" (I suppose) patterns of my decisions.

My problem is, my tastes have little to do with their so-called "musical properties". I don't like a song because based on a particular set of attributes. And, while most people would say the same thing (I think), it seems to work fine for many people I know.

I just noticed it has a different interface, so I will give it a shot, once again.

But, with all that said, on heymike's recommendation, I am listening to the Jazz Holidays station, and so far, so good. As long as I don't start adding thumbs up and down, it might be OK, for this time of year.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 11:06:43 ET
Posted by: heymike,

A quick note again for panora.com, the jazz Christmas station is sweet.
A ncie relief from Christmas lite stations!

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 09:43:09 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Instead of "leaving it there"...let me add that I think what he put down to the title track of Circus Money is brilliant!! He plays perfectly on the whole enchilada, but that song in particular just kills me!

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 08:54:12 ET
Posted by: Some, perspective

Sometimes that "rut" is exactly what your looking for.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 08:29:09 ET
Posted by: G Serrat,

I'd like to hear Keith's brush technique.

He's a powerhouse for sure, but can he play tastily with the brushes?

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 08:26:56 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

No he's not in a rut by any definition. Hence the use of the "etc." Nor do I mean to suggest he's playing the EXACT same thing.

He's a badass and I'll leave it there.

Date: Sun, December 21, 2008, 00:23:22 ET
Posted by: keith fan,

Keith hasn't "only" played with Sting, SD, Becker and Fagen (individually) and Wayne Krantz... :)

He also toured with James Taylor this year, played on new records by Rascal Flatts, Faith Hill, Clay Aiken and Diana Ross and Rudder and Tal Wilkenfeld. And older records/tours with Grover Washington Jr., Harry Belafonte, Chris Botti and The Blues Brothers.
Not exactly stuck in a musical rut there...

Although I can identify Keith's playing within a few bars, just as I could several other brilliant drummers, he's certainly *not* playing the same thing over and over again :) lol!

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 22:24:38 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Dean - I wouldn't necessarily say you don't have sophisticated enough ears. I'm sure there are plenty of drummers more qualified than myself that would disagree with my take. That's the beauty, or lack thereof, of opinions. I've expressed this same opinion on here before a few years ago or so and I'm not always totally at ease in doing so. It can sometimes give the wrong impression. After all, the guy has been paid (probably well!) to "cop a squat" for The Dan, Sting, Krantz, etc. That's a damn impressive resume in a relatively short time period. Where the hell can I sign up for that life?!!

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 20:47:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Josey,

Very well said. I can't argue with any of that. You certainly are more qualified to comment on the "sameness" across different styles than I am (and I understand it isn't necessarily as negative as it might sound). I guess my ears just aren't sophisticated enough, when it comes to drums, to hear that, yet. I'm always learning, though.

As for chops without substance, interest in that passed a long time ago for both of us, I guess.

For what it's worth, here's a drummer I have like for a long time, but you just never hear his name mentioned. I don't listen to a lot of "rock", but I really like the way this guy plays. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkM81FBxCyg&feature=related

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 19:13:42 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Dean, Rajah, et al - I actually think he's beyond "quite good"! My criticism of Carlock isn't that he's not good. Far from it! I just think he has such a unique style (that's a damn good thang!) and that style that's VERY MUCH his own is evident to these ears on a lot of different settings. I feel like I'm hearing him play a lot of the same thing in a lot of different settings. Yes, he plays with a wide variety of artists and I seem to hear a lot of his same style with those different artists. That's just me. I think what he played to EMG is the shit!!! I think what he played all over Circus Money is just damn perfect for the music. Maybe it's more when he's soloing that I keep hearing the same thing. Again, I'm far from the only drummer to have noticed this. I've read somewhere that Keith himself has even addresssed this. Don't know where that is or I'd source it. I remember another drummer on a drum forum making mention of that. Can't confirm it. I'd also like to re-emphasize that I love his feel! And that, at the end of the day, is what he's called upon for. What drummer wouldn't love to have that kind of success??!!

"(I find it hard to listen to drummers with chops, but with disregard to flow and musicality.)" I couldn't agree more! I love a big bag of chops - but only in a musical context with what fits the music at the time. I'm REAL bored with hearing chops simply for the sake of "hey look what I can do!" The magic of all that wore off for me a long time ago. I damn sure don't want to hear "Back In Black" with a bunch of flitty-witty shit all over it. What's played there is simply perfect for the music. I use that example because that particular beat can be taught to anyone in less than 5 minutes and it happens to show up on a ton of different rock tunes.

I certainly don't mean to offend or step on toes, etc. It's just my opinion about his playing. AGAIN: I love Carlock's playing!!! I would love to hear him in a cool latin jazz thing. In a big band jazz thing (yes, I've heard Cubano Chant), a jazz trio. We know he can play a samba having listened to 2VN. I would love to hear a different version of a whole new fill. That's just me.

I'll be on the lookout for the Tal Wilkenfeld cd.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 18:55:47 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Mu-Mu, I think you hit on it there with EMG. The title song ought to have been the first cut on that album, not the last. It's just too depressing at the tail end.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 18:31:49 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

...may I suggest listening to Keith on Tal Wilkenfeld's CD "Transformation" ...Wayne Krantz is on there as well, great stuff...

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 18:12:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Josey,

You are correct, we are free to disagree. But, like Mu, I think he is quite good, and different on C$, than he is with SD. As you have seen him with Krantz and Oz Noy you have the advantage over me. But, I have heard him play with both, and with Sting/Blues Brothers, etc. He always seems to be playing just the right thing, IMO, even though those bands have very different grooves than SD.

I have to admit, I don't really look for a players "bag of tricks", so I can't speak to that. His fills are damn near perfect, IMO, and he is one of the more melodic, and least self-indulgent, soloists on the instrument. (I find it hard to listen to drummers with chops, but with disregard to flow and musicality.)

About the only thing I haven't heard from Keith, that I care to look for, is some nice touches with the brushes. I wonder if he plays them in any of his purer jazz outings.

I guess what I like most about Carlock, in all of the various settings where I have heard him play, is he always sounds perfect for the BAND, and respectful of what others are playing. I can't say that I care for , on most occasions, drummers who, when listening to a group, you notice them, more than the song/band/arrangement. I guess I like chameleon drummers, for the most part.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 17:53:21 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Carlock sounds great on Morph and particularly C$. It could be just me but he's throwing in nuance after nuance and finding a different voice on each song. His best work on EMG is the title track - imagine if there was a mixup and EMG's song order were backwards. It's a much better album. It's obvious that you start the album with that Train-esque breakdown and then head to the rest of the best songs Lunch with Gina, Pixeleen, and Greenbook.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 17:27:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Josey, as the current Steely Dan drummer, Keith will never get the chance to stretch out, explore and maybe create some wonderful new things. What's really at the bottom of our discourse here is that we really don't know at this point what his ultimate ceiling as a percussionist could someday be.

Merely witness with your ears if you will the hand claps on the title song to Two Against Nature. That's him. They're just brilliant in the sense that he lends a heightened life to that tune. His energy is his genius. And he wasn't even in possession of a percussion instrument. He was the percussion instrument.

He came into a situation with Don & Walt and, unlike a laundry list of professional drummers in their checkered past, understood what they were asking, he delivered it and he became an instant star the very night he opened at that Orange County Fair show in 2003.

No, Don and Walt found a precious gem in Keith, of that there is no doubt but just listen to how locked down he is on Everthing Must Go. It's just not fair somehow. If Steely Dan does indeed do another record, he must be given more freedom. They have to use his full range of drumskills. Otherwise, Keith should kick 'em to the curb. He deserves much more of a voice. He's earned it.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 16:00:36 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Dean - that's cool and we obviously don't all have to agree. The various drummers that have discussed that with me and on different drum websites have been around. They didn't start yesterday. I think he grooves his ass off! I also happen to think he has one "go to" move that he throws out there everytime he fills something up. And everyone here who's heard him play "Aja" has heard that move and all the variations of that move. You can hear it on AJA, the solo in Josie, the break in Cubano Chant, you can hear it in the clips with Krantz, Oz Noy, etc. And it's a very cool fill. I'm just ready to hear something different. Maybe it's there in the Montreal drum thing his site posted.

Having said all this - I've been drumming for 30 plus years and I only wish I could play half as well as he does!! I'm sure he has a much larger bag of tricks than we know. Treat us to'em!

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 15:15:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I love Keith's energy and intensity, he gives the crowd its money's worth everytime and everywhere and I've seen him in the small club setting as well. I love his traditional style with that left hand as we have gone over many times. But I have to agree with Josey, he's got a great skills, an enviable bag of tricks.

But he's not growing as a player with Steely Dan. He has, however, become a star.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 13:28:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Josey,

I find that assessment of Carlock rather odd, considering all the different groups he plays with, and different types of drumming he has done, recently. I would understand if all Carlock did was play with The Dan, but that simply isn't the case. He's all over the place playing all kinds of stuff.

Maybe that "very common criticism" is "amongst a lot of drummers" who haven't done their homework, with regard to Keith.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 11:52:56 ET
Posted by: KeithCarlock.com, Cyberspace

We just posted Keiths 20-minute drum solo from the Montreal Drum Fest!

Check it out here:

http://www.keithcarlock.com/contest2009.htm

There's also a giveaway with a chance to win a private lesson with Keith and one of 25 pairs of his new Regal Tip Signature sticks!

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 11:37:49 ET
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Hoops - thanks for the clarification both personally and here on the Blue! I appreciate it.

My criticism was in no way an attempt to be nasty. It's actually a very common criticism amongst a lot of drummers re: Carlock.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 11:05:14 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Hoops:
PLEASE don't give up on us !!

We truly appreciate all that you do for the Dandom Digest and The Blue.

Please don't think that the "nasty schoolboys" speak for the majority of us, because , they don't!!

Many thanks for all that you do for us.

Happy Holidays.

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 10:04:14 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

*************THANK YOU HOOPSMAN FOR EVERTHING YOU DO****************

Date: Sat, December 20, 2008, 02:56:50 ET
Posted by: The Bullgoose, sweet home Bonalbo Australia

Bullgoose here.
Had my head down beavering away at the coalface so no time for Blue in quite a while now.
Steevee's recent post on hidden gemlets within well worn Dan songs reminded me of just how quickly the boys mastered their craft: how much music went into every song, even way back.

Coincidently, I've been listening to Michel Colombier's Wings album again after 36 years. Although there are parts that the years have rendered passe, I'm surprised how fresh others sound. The composers of Les Mis. must have listened to Wings, and I can also hear it in a tune on Pat Metheny's Imaginary Day.
One problem:the dynamics are so extreme it's a shocker to listen to in the car: one minute you can't hear it and the next you're plastered all over the rear windscreen.

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 22:43:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

That's right, Dean...thanks for pointing that out. I offered a private response to "Josey" earlier.

I have a lot going on personally right now and next to no time to focus on the Bluebook, the Digest and the site. Problems including shopping for a nursing home for a parent, another family member with advanced stage / terminal breast cancer that has spread, a work situation that demands a great deal of my attention (the same is true for many of us in today's world) and on and on. But I won't forget that there are other people who are much less fortunate than I. Please respect that I would prefer that my personal concerns aren't discussed on the Blue--I know many of you would post thoughtful concern but I would prefer that be left out and the focus be on SD.

For those reasons, I haven't put out a Dandom Digest in a month and I don't respond or, for that matter, much look at the Bluebook unless I'm contacted to do so. (Thank you to six of you who responded about the spam attack.)

Today while shopping for Christmas, I responded to a text message about a spam attack. Such attacks, if very dense, can crash the Bluebook and be complicated to fix. So when I received the text, I was near an Apple store and ducked in to see if I could fix things for your pleasure and to save myself trouble. (Thanks again for the messages about the spam.)

This is how *I* see the BlueBook, in an Apple Store, in Unix vi text edit mode--not a friendly BlueBook viewing mode. That's what I have to work with, I can't use a mouse but I can do this from most anywhere even from primitive computers. Aside from spam, I also use this in emergencies when people's personal info is posted when it shouldn't.



When there is 52K of spam and 1K of actual messages, yes, accidents are prone. Sorry about that. I'm trying to do the best I can in unusal cicumstances--not sitting around waiting for the next Danfan I can piss off. (I happen to believe that often disagreements about players get worked out in discussion). And given that I'm surrounded by Christmas shoppers in a public store, you know, it's kinda hard to pick through all this gibberish using archaic but widely accessible commands. So you know, I didn't even see Josey's post among the spam. Josey's post is not of the type I have to take down. If there is ever a post I have to take down and I have a valid email, I contact all those who have posted about the thread and attempt to remove the thread. And I never remove posts that are personal attacks against myself.

What I have done is restored all posts including the spam so you can see what happened. Hopefully subsequent spam is resolved for the time being.

In general, I do have a request: Could some of you people here stop thinking the worst of me, like I'm plotting against people all the time? This place and things in general are really not all about you as much as you may think.

An example: As mentioned, I haven't had the time or energy to put out a Dandom Digest in a month. I'm still getting several messages a week about what an asshole I am for not sending a digest to some people, like I cut them off or am not putting out a Digest because of THEM. I think I've made maybe one or two posts if that in the past month. I'm still getting hate messages.

This is not too different from a couple of months ago with the Danfest controversy. I'm asking people to collaborate and communicate then I get cast as an asshole. I don't think I deserved the treatment I received from some then and I now would rather spend my energy on the special things in my family rather than be sucked dry by petty nastiness on the part of a few.

I think I've been quite a good friend to Dandom and I especially don't think I've deserved the nasty messages, icy shoulders and general nasty treatment from some. I'm not asking for sympathy, but I am asking for respect and the understanding that I'm far from focussed on attacking people.

Best regards,

Jim

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 21:57:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Josey,

I can't speak for Jim, but I'm guessing your post was accidentally removed when he took down that huge batch of spam.

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 21:38:00 ET
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Posted by: Josey, St. Simons Island

Was my criticism of Carlock so offensive that it needed to be removed?

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 19:07:11 ET
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Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 18:46:59 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Doc,





Nice link to Regal Tip. As a kid, in Niagara Falls (home of Regal Tip), I took drum lessons from Joe Calato...founder of Regal Tip and inventor of the nylon tipped drum stick.





I wonder if I can still play my double paradiddles and flam-adiddles. I never turned out to be much of a drummer...but, I knew my rudiments!





Happy Holidays, Dandom.








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Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 14:37:22 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, xwIChBLHdmsALMEoGU

Regal Tip is having a new contest: you can win a LESSON WITH KEITH CARLOCK!!!!!





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You can also view some great Carlock footage from the Montreal Drum Fest...





Sign up for the contest (there are other cool prizes as well) and check out the videos!!!

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 14:27:23 ET
Posted by: Septimus, xwIChBLHdmsALMEoGU

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Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 12:12:07 ET
Posted by: web search, on location

Elvis Costello explaning why he opened his show on Sundance with Show Biz Kids.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/24762161/elvis_costello_talks_music_on_cable

Date: Fri, December 19, 2008, 02:30:20 ET
Posted by: Scouser, Halewood to Hollywood

Hey Raj. We both send you are LOVE mate for the new year.

Date: Thurs, December 18, 2008, 21:35:31 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

hey kids!

don't forget: Modern Drummer Readers Poll 2009 will be starting soon...let's move Keith Carlock up from #2 to #1 in '09!!!!!

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 18:17:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh yes we did, sweetheart, we certainly did. I remember you always off to the side of the stage, dancing to Steve and the boys, there with your little backpack, a light shining from your sweet face. The small beer we shared at Hermosa. Oh no, you had a ginger ale as I recall. Anyway, my best heartfelt wishes this year to you, your dear son and husband and let's look forward to many other great times together in future. I have no doubt.

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 18:15:11 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" That final Who show was da bomb of all times. Even if it wasn't their final show. Pete Townsend, who still owes my friend Mick Farren one hundred quid as he loves to recount, was brilliant on that tune called Eminence Front, Immenece Front? Whatever. Now that band, THAT band was all heart. "


...and so is THIS band !!! :

http://www.longliverock.org/concertcalendar.php



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCcCTF--AZA&NR=1


J.

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 14:55:42 ET
Posted by: angel,

Stevee: Good to see you around these Blue parts.

Yeah, I miss some good times I had. Rajah, Hubby and I watching you all at BB Kings comes to mind. We knocked their socks off there. The people just didn't know how good SD music is. lol

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 13:31:56 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Dirty City

Hey, where's that flash of spectacular thigh I ordered?

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 12:11:21 ET
Posted by: web search, here

Rhubarb over Steely Dan

http://www.kansascity.com/238/story/938063.html

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 11:35:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

That final Who show was da bomb of all times. Even if it wasn't their final show. Pete Townsend, who still owes my friend Mick Farren one hundred quid as he loves to recount, was brilliant on that tune called Eminence Front, Immenece Front? Whatever. Now that band, THAT band was all heart.

Stevee, check your email. My love to you and our boy Jona, great joy, great memories of the times I spent watching you play, sometimes just for me, and I promise you we will be together again soon...my solemn promise.

Date: Wed, December 17, 2008, 10:03:33 ET
Posted by: On this date, In rock history

Some dates stick in my memory. I always remember 12/17/82 sitting around the radio with my friends listening to a broadcast of the "final" North American Who concert.

Date: Tues, December 16, 2008, 22:53:37 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, In search of new old songs to play ...

I was noodling around on the piano yesterday with "Everything You Did", and I noticed that I threw in the rushed cadence that the band played on this last tour. I'm talking about the chord that comes in (in the first verse, for example) after the lyrics: "Where did the bastard run? Is he still around?". New things still come creeping into my head even months after seeing the band this past summer.

In the quiet of the lull period that our band is having at present, I have been taking the time to play songs that we haven't played in a long time ... or ever in the band. These songs are written so well, that even reduced to just piano (and just for myself), the gems contained in these tunes keep revealing themselves. Truly amazing songs.

I noticed in a post roughly a week or so ago, that someone thought that Don and Walt are tired of each other, or don't like each other because of the lack of on-stage interplay between the two of them. The poster mentioned that he/she may have read too much into their observation ... and that's fair.

I don't think that there is any animosity or lack of friendship between the two of them. I just think that they keep their emotions to themselves and don't feel compelled to look deeply into each other's eyes on stage or anything. They are cool, aloof and a bit detached, and, ... well ... THEM !

I can't predict what their next moves might be, but I do believe that there will be more from them. Touring is IMHO the easiest thing for them to do, ... but, I am hopeful for another Steely Dan & Fagen album. In the meantime, I just keep filling up my 2009 calendar for the band and try to keep my chops up during this hiatus.

Hey Rajah and Hey Gretchen !!!
I want you both to call me or to write to me ... I know you both still love me (how could you not ???) ... and the feeling is mutual. Come on now ... get in touch with me ... I'm feeling left out.

I have a few surprises which I would like to share with you ... I'm not ready to broadcast it here ... yet ...

If I don't hear from either of you, I'm gonna sick Alan A. from down under on youse ...

I hope that you both are doing well.

Date: Tues, December 16, 2008, 22:05:41 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

I guess this is what happens when there's no tour! Happy holidays

Date: Tues, December 16, 2008, 17:53:55 ET
Posted by: ,

Who are these children who sit and grow wide?
Playing World of Warcraft
All day spent inside
What is the secret to gaining the Armor of Rawhide?
And why do you tremble each time they get seconds on pie?

Throw out those empty boxes of Ho-Hos
Slaying Orcs with zeal
While bellies congeal

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 23:02:18 ET
Posted by: A Democrat,

Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll...
The answer they reveal - Democrats steal.

Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll...
The answer they reveal - libertarians steal.

Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll...
The answer they reveal - razor boys steal.

Wow! Clever!

Steely Dan is always funny and cunning.

Except for a couple of these, the lyrics are lame, lame, lame.

give it up you nasty schoolboys with no place to go

and please don't try again tomorrow.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 21:38:17 ET
Posted by: kid clean, @home

you guys are crazy! these lyrics are awesome.


I just played do it again on guitar hero world tour. very dissapointing. game play didn't seem to go that well with the music and they don't have a sitar controller....


kc

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 19:58:13 ET
Posted by: razorboy, sxsw of hollywood

Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll...
The answer they reveal - republicans steal.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 17:30:34 ET
Posted by: George, in Paris

Smoky Sunday,
He's immobilized and wan,
Now he's bankrupt from the con,
He's a wall street man.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 15:53:56 ET
Posted by: Joey,

http://www.pandora.com/


... Thanks G ! ( nice )


J. !

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 14:14:05 ET
Posted by: Blues, And Elvis

XM
No commercials at all.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 13:57:51 ET
Posted by: Fannie, & Freddie

Bodhisattva
I foreclosed on my house in town

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 13:15:01 ET
Posted by: Mike,

You're never gonna watch it in hi-definition
Oh no...
That's what I am
Please understand
I wanna be your HD man

----------------

When Josie goes digital
So good
With a wireless mouse or so I've heard
On her giddy PC
A high-speed line
Fiber optic telegraphs and instant download times
uh huh

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 12:45:18 ET
Posted by: That should read, pppp

Biden.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 12:42:20 ET
Posted by: William, Wright

Obama
Oh Baden
You know I'm not to blame
But I had wood for Sarah
And I voted for McCain

Obama
Oh Baden
I'll pay my taxes when
You slash that welfare budget again

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 12:26:16 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Dirty City

Jog south on Sunset to NYC
The water will change to cherry wine
And the silver will turn to gold...

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 11:30:34 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Mr. LaPage is your man..

he's always laughin' havin' fun....

showing his Blu-Ray DVDs in his man cave...

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 10:22:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

My what? Oh that, naw, be my guest. Talk it out till daylight.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 10:06:26 ET
Posted by: "Weird" Al Yankovic,

Do you mind if I use yours, Rajah?

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 09:54:13 ET
Posted by: Stop, it hurts now

Poor kid, he overdid
Embraced the spreading haze
And while he sighed his body
experienced negative patient care outcome
In fifteen ways

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 07:44:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah, pissing contests are less painful than this

No I'm never gonna do you without my cell on,
Oh no...

Don't make me do you without my cell on,
Oh no...

That's what I am,

Please understand...

I am a stone cold text message man.

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 06:30:26 ET
Posted by: I hate myself, but I have to join in

No, don't do it....
Too late.

" This all too mobile phone . . . . . "

Date: Mon, December 15, 2008, 00:07:04 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, East Jeezus

The woman's SIXTY!


Here's a better pic or 2.

http://wings.buffalo.edu/english/exhibitx/Ducornet_Rikkismall.jpg

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/authphoto_330/7517_ducornet_rikki.jpg


There's another Rikki, and she's a redhead.

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 19:32:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Yes, Doc, it is far better than the abuse that was flying around here a few days ago.

I just have trouble dealing with the mangled poetry. But, like a horrible accident, I can't seem to look away.

:#)

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 18:52:56 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Dean / Col. Kurtz:

sorry for creating such a monster...but you gotta admit, there are some good posts out there...sure beats the occasional nastiness....

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 16:14:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, Reggae Sunday

Regarding the current reworking of Dan lyrics...

"The horror! The horror!"


:#)

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 15:38:52 ET
Posted by: pretty good lyrics, BUT Lohan's a true redhead., generally not known due to the shaved vadge

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 12:54:41 ET
Posted by: my, turn

Barry is a ditto machine king.

The pay phone rings.
It's like her stupid father.

She's gushing on a bomb pop.

40 floors above the city, LP spinnin'

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 12:26:17 ET
Posted by: ,

Introduce me to that skinny brunette
She's got a touch of Lindsay Lohan
She's wearing a miniskirt and a shaved vadge
She's got us mildly interested and she can tell
She loves the percoset, that much is clear
She's got the right dynamics for the newer frontier

Well I can't wait 'til I move to the exurbs
'Til I finally make up my mind
To learn finance and send money overseas

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 11:46:07 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, off for a run

Cell phone towers, no more Banyan trees,
Here at the subdivision, above the sea

G

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 11:19:59 ET
Posted by: heymike, in your bushes

http://www.pandora.com/

Someone just turned me on to this: pretty cool site.

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 11:12:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

"eat byte"?

Is this a John Valby forum?

:#)


http://www.imeem.com/freakking/music/kKK0VKCa/john_valby_eat_bite_fuck_suck/

NSFW

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:52:34 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Doc - Interesting idea... adding new to old.

And the opposite, adding old to new, has it's own movement!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

(And there's a William Gibson connection)

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:21:22 ET
Posted by: ,

We gave it our best shot
But keep in mind we got a lot
The sky the moon good food and the weather
First-run movies -- does anybody get lucky twice?
I guess not!

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:16:00 ET
Posted by: ,

Cause it's byte eat byte eat byte

Ain't no use to fight it

It's byte eat byte eat byte

Grab it fast and bite it

byte eat byte eat byte eat byte eat byte eat byte

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:13:21 ET
Posted by: ,

I'm thinking Marilyn 5.0

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:09:40 ET
Posted by: ,

"Byte" Cow

Date: Sun, December 14, 2008, 10:09:14 ET
Posted by: ,

In the morning
You go byte-ing
For the man who stole your bytes

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 22:56:06 ET
Posted by: Old Man, Oregon

Got a Zune 10 megabyte
I could download here all night

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 22:39:46 ET
Posted by: Agent, of the law

With rage in your eyes and your 3 megabyteIphones.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 22:15:15 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJ

Until my ship comes in
I live byte by byte

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 21:53:42 ET
Posted by: Chan, Iceland

See the glory..... of the bailout plan.

You see it all in HD, its your favorite pay per view movie...

He takes Viagara now the daddy can come...

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 20:39:16 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Hapy D-Day to the Skunk.

And, Doc, I think I'll take a pass on the latest exercise.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 20:25:15 ET
Posted by: Me, again

Sound just like a mp3 on the Ipod dock.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 20:23:40 ET
Posted by: KC, again

I just read the Daily Blog and swear by every word

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 20:21:28 ET
Posted by: Ann, Borneo

Happy Birthday to the Skunk! 60 today! Wow!!!

Ann

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 20:19:54 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home

My poison's named you know my brand
So please make mine a double, Sam
Stir it up nice I'll eat it right here
This information super highway runs from Paraguay
And I've just IM'd all the way

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 19:23:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

OK Kids...thanks for playing along with the Steely Dan Vehicle game...some great posts out there!

Now it's time for ....

THE STEELY DAN TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE V1.0:

Take a line or two from any of the Steely Dan albums, Can't Buy a Thrill through Gaucho, and update an object or phrase with something that wasn't around during the "early years":

for example:

On the counter, by your keys, was a 3G iphone and your remedies

OR

Just drink your venti non-fat, no-whip, raspberry white mocha, and get out of here...

your responses do NOT have to exactly match the original phrasing of the song...

Good luck!!

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 14:20:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

I believe I have to agree with our esteemed ladies of the Blue. That Ms. Rikki is still a beautiful woman, at any age. Me, I really like older girls, a nice sinewy gal around fifty who knows what she likes beats the pants off(!) some bare-assed bimbo in her 20s any old day.

RJ yes, scugille, scungilli, scungill, sgunille, all names in their respective regional Itallian dialects for Welk, a snail type shellfish. A derrogatory term, see, cause they're slimy.

Atso, Blood, Sweat & Tears first record, "The Child is the Father to the Man," is a great record, first of all what great evocative cover art, and what great vocal performances by Messrs. Kooper and Katz. I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know, I Can't Quit Her, Without Her, what heartfelt renderings these are. David Clayton Thomas had that astounding and overpowering baritone voice in the later incarnation of this group but what they did on this first record was put a toehold on the pop scene of the era, showing that mixing R&B in with a great horn section whose charts were really quite sophisticated, well, for your average kid listening to the radio like me back then anyway, and adding those strong blue-eyed soul vocals really hit it. Rock was so busy in those days, you hardly heard any space, any silence between notes, this record opened new worlds. It's still got a lot of heart, the thing that matters most to the longevity of a record. Like AJA, for instance. How much silence is in there on Black Cow and AJA? Tons. And that's all time well spent in allowing the music to sink in, to waft its way into your being. So important are the silences, the rests.

Did this record have any effect on Donald and Walter? I don't know.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 11:14:50 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Simpleton,

Your addressing the meaning of the song, it seems. I think it's very doubtful that this song is ABOUT Rikki Ducornet. But, it seems as though that's where the name came from.

But, then again, what the hell do I know, when it comes to what Don and Walt REALLY mean.

Your interpretation is an interesting one, and once that gets bounced around, quite a bit. I don't see it conflicting with the story that Rikki Ducornet may somehow be related to the song...even if it is simply her name...that Don liked, and used.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 11:01:32 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, puttin' up the tree

I think Rikki is quite a beautiful woman, for any age.


G

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 10:32:54 ET
Posted by: not so simpleton,

now suppose Rikki, an androgynous name like Chris or Pat was a confused dude in his late teens either being seduced by the narrator, an older experienced gay dude.

now give Rikki a spin, listening closely to the moods and lyrics.

perhaps a Mr. La Page type showing up earlier in the Dan catalogue than previously thought?

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 00:56:48 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

And I hope Donald had a good book waiting for her call near the old rotary phone before answering machines.
Now it gets more romantic...

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 00:50:53 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Sounds good Dean, it's just a grounder when something sacred gets a simple explanation like this.
Especially when the song becomes larger than life.
Hope she called him....

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 00:41:49 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Lutz,

That she was the "inspiration" for Riki is nothing new. She has talked about it before, and Donald acknowledged it, I think.

And, for the record,I don't think anyone (with any inside info) seriously claims the song was "about" her...do they? We aren't talking about a "Layla" thing here.

Date: Sat, December 13, 2008, 00:25:28 ET
Posted by: Lutz, Sf

I would have liked for Rikki to not reveal this now, or Donald.
It's a downer - like seeing an Apollo Astronaut in person holding a speech (as I had to) when one wishes he would have used some satellite direct whatever deal to beam it in instead.
It has nothing to do with her still looking OK - her Ego got in the way. The song is still good, but is has lost some mystique for me.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 20:36:03 ET
Posted by: Dugan, Direct From Lhasa

On a night like this, eh? Gotham shudders...

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 20:09:07 ET
Posted by: Atso Bafanapole,

Raj-

I'm sitting here listening to B,S and T's "Child is Father to the Man".

Great LP. Although Al K's and Steve K's vocals leave much to be desired.

What did/do you think of this LP/CD?

Didn't Kooper have some musical influence on DF?

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 19:23:01 ET
Posted by: Chuck, Slow Hand Row

Yeah, sure, right. Rikki is about that woman. Donald has said so in a few interviews now.

But with Walter involved, you know there is a huge, kinky twist in those lyrics, one Donald might not want to discuss.

I'm sure Walter laughs whenever he hears Rikki on supermarket muzak.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 18:53:53 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore,eh

You got to be kinding me Hector she looks marvelous for her age. Man, have we become so youth obessessed that a natural woman at 59 bring gasps of repulsion? Is there any hope for those of us that would only go under the knife or have needles injected in our heads if our lives depended on it? Thank goodness I have a spouse who would be very alarmed if I wanted to do that to myself.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 18:18:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Hector,

I hate to point out the obvious, but over 30 years have passed since Riki was written. She looks as though she might have been a real looker back then. If you need any visual evidence to point that out, take a look at pictures of Liz Taylor, or perhaps Shelly Winters, when they were young.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 17:50:00 ET
Posted by: Hector R.,

Yikes! And I always thought Fagen knew how to pick 'em. If he had used even Rikki Lake as the inspiration that would have been a better choice. Talk about bursting one's imagery bubble, ooooofah.

That must've been SOME party, man, for Don to give her (that?) his digits.

Dreams shattered, NOW I have to spend the rest of tonite deleting any and all formats I have of Rikki Don't Lose that Number.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 16:04:21 ET
Posted by: Web Search, keyboard

Update on Rikki

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/books/391657_booktwo12.html

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 15:47:29 ET
Posted by: Craig B.,

Rajah
Good to hear your staying busy and posting a bit more

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 15:14:15 ET
Posted by: navasota,

It seems navasota has reformed into navasota-rio. Gary katz produced their new album.

The website navasotariomusic.com has a recording of canyon ladies in the music link.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 15:01:35 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

Casual fan here. Going to see David Byrne tonight in Tampa. I'll report over the weekend. Wonder if he'll cover Green Earings? Can you imagine his off key effort at that? Oof.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 14:52:08 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Do you mean scungilli ?

like a clam or whatever?

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 13:31:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah, Abruzzo

You in your Lark...you know the rest.

Philly, my new found friend, a singer who tosses around a tamborine is a scugille, I detest that. My percussion experience with the great Wayne Kramer included three numbers behind timbales, crash cymbals, chimes and, yes, a woodblock. Shameful. And i just filled and played around our drummer. Every so often there was a tune like, "Don't Take me Alive," that neither the drummer, a great player named Matt Steinberg, nor the regular percussionist, Pablo X, wanted to play. Too boring night after night. So I got a shot now and then. My poor skills extended to grateful joy when I could even find the pocket you seem to adore so much. So I'm not knocking the pocket but, tell me true, doesn't it get old?

The rest of the time I was the frontman. Period. In a white suit and Fedora hat which I believe Gretchen now has donated to Goodwill. She will have to answer for that. Or so my Sicilian counsel informs. ;)

Salute.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 12:33:25 ET
Posted by: Uh, this vehicle has run out of gas,

now do sites or places like..... Medicine Park, or Flytown or whatevah...

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 10:38:36 ET
Posted by: drewslo, san luis obispo

I've always considered "Charlie Freak" to be a XMAS song. Especially with those sleigh bells at the end.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 10:02:37 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

now we dolly back

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 09:46:57 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Snowbound and Book of Liars are on a few Xmas mixes I have made, but otherwise it's hard to justify Steely Xmas songs. I was reading a book by F. Paul Wilson a few years ago, in which someone asks the main character to do something against his values, and he thinks to himself, "Yeah, that'll happen...when Steely Dan records a Christmas album."

Good stuff.

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 09:46:00 ET
Posted by: I was, watching her

wax her skis

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 09:45:18 ET
Posted by: She's on, a train

...to somewhere up by Fordham road

Date: Fri, December 12, 2008, 09:37:50 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

cool rolling bubble

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 22:18:23 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

let's get back to the Steely Dan vehicle challenge!!!

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 19:06:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh, c'mon, Dandom, don't let these little squabbles deter you from posting.

You know we're way bigger than that.

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 18:48:10 ET
Posted by: Burl Ives, boozing with Bing Crosby

Whither the Steely Dan Christmas CD?

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 18:10:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, somebody screamed somewhere...

I'll go south, Dug, especially on a night like this!

G

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 14:49:44 ET
Posted by: Wellmont Attendee, up

An recap of the Wellmont's first month. I did notice SDs "mobile dressing room" parked outside.

http://www.montclairtimes.com/NC/0/1141.html

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 13:46:54 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Icy City

South....and fast...

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 12:00:13 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Keepin' the milk truck warm in December's foggy freeze

Um......where is this conversation going?

G

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 12:00:02 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Keepin' the milk truck warm in December's foggy freeze

Um......where is this conversation going?

G

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 10:58:56 ET
Posted by: Dugan, Milk Truck, contemplating theoretical 'access' to hypothetical 'Space'

Well, that's why they invented livery cabs!

Date: Thurs, December 11, 2008, 04:03:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Buddy, you're absolutely THE LAST person on here to broach the subject of, "cred." So clam up and get back to your Big Mac combo.

Philly, I'm happy that you can make your living playing music, it's a great privilege. On any level.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 21:25:33 ET
Posted by: Raj, yo cred is REALLY slippin' and a slidin',

BOBBY Rydell, originally Bobby Ridarelli. The Wild One. The PRIDE of South Philly circa 1960.

You best be layin off that Chianti you been drinkin from a paper sack lately lyin inside yo cardboard box in yo fetal position back dare in Italia.

.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 21:05:17 ET
Posted by: Oh yeah,

Here are some nice nursery rhymes to teach your children:

Rock a bye baby, on the tree top,
When the wind blows the cradle will rock;
When the bow breaks, the cradle will fall,
And down will come baby, to buy Pretzel Logic.

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
But Mary brought The Royal Scam along, and that was very cool.

Jack be nimble
Jack be quick
Jack owns Aja
On vinyl, CD and audio casette

London Bridge is falling down,
Falling down, falling down,
London Bridge is falling down,
RIKKI DON'T LOSE THAT NUMBER!

Star Light Star bright,
The first star I see tonight,
I wish I may, I wish I might,
See Steely Dan in concert tonight.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 20:27:05 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, My "Space", waitin' on the milk truck

Would love to join in the Carlock dates, but alas, no late trains back from NYC and work awaits at 9 a.m...........


G

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 18:48:34 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Boy, that Krantz solo in "The Nightfly" on the Massey Hall boot is the stuff of legends. A well deserved crowd reaction.

It's funny that when I saw Mr. Krantz at the '96 show in Va. Beach I was a bit put off by his solos and thought they were a little "outside" for the songs. Of course that was when I first came to the realization that these guys were out touring again.
The '06 Fagen show and the Morph album made me a convert. It's that kind of harsh in your face tone with the characteristic percussive, choppy phrasing he seems to favor that draws me in.
Much like Django, he goes to unexpected places but in the end it all makes sense.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 17:16:57 ET
Posted by: When two tribes,

Whoa ... old dudes comparing the size of their rock 'n roll testicles, er,... I mean their credentials. Can I play ? My band got thrown out of Ginger Baker's trailer, narrowly escaping a beating. I win.

Now there's a guy who was so far from the pocket, the pocket was just a dot to him . . . .

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 15:54:19 ET
Posted by: Mr. Philly , Raj, you still sound like a douchebag

So what is it you did in your band again Raj? "Percussion"? Code for tambourine? Sang one song a night, and did a lot of blow? Nice.

I've made a comfortable living playing music for the last 5 years in small bars and taverns. I like when the band plays in the pocket. I know no famous people, nor do I care to. And I don't eat falafel.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 15:17:22 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

RAJAH,You never cease to amaze me with info unknown to me prior!!!! Let's hope you clear up whatever it is that troubles your current situation.I really have no idea what it is,but i enjoy your posts.RAJ a player!!! Who knew? not me,that's for sure.....Fezzie

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 15:00:56 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Hey Dugan,

No, I don't think I'm going to make it this week but hopefully next time.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 13:31:45 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Filthy City

Janie, you gonna go to this KC thing tomorrow?

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 12:39:39 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Raj, don't know if you know (although you probably do) but Crispin Cioe's (of Uptown Horns)other band is Cracked Ice and Jon Herington sometimes plays with them. It's a small world...

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 11:39:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Depends what and how you play it. On any given Steely Dan song, it can be both.

I played with Wayne and his band which included that urban legend of the London punk scene, Mick Farren circa 1985 to 87 and we called ourselves, The Last Words of Dutch Shultz, yours truly adding that touch of the underworld as the Dutchman. They shot me to death at the end of the set, then I came back to life and belted out the last number. A lot like what happens to me on Blue. [rimshot] Thank you.

We played all the gnarliest clubs in Manhattan at the time, Tramps, Pyramid, a spank n tickle joint called Paddles, I kid you not, Danceteria, another club seen in the Madonna movie, Desparately Seeking Susan, or was it Who's That Girl, I forget. The club had three levels, we played on the lower. One night a drunk kid asked for two cigarettes, which was really pushing it I thought so I gently nudged him off the stage with my foot. One night at Maxwells in Hoboken a beer bottle fight broke out. It wasn't my fault, really, it slipped out of my hand and into some Jersey's guy's skull. Our bass player was knicknamed Moose and he played in Germany with Lou Reed. He always carried an eightball of blow. And so it went. The best of times, the worst of times.

Don Was is the nicest person you'd ever meet and he liked us a lot when we used to open for Pat Benatar or David Johanson at Tramps on 15th, so he produced our demo record. Which pretty much bombed. But he had to kind of do it on the quick since he was in the process of hooking up with some rag tag Englishmen who called themselves the Rolling Stones. Don ended up stealing our horn section, the Uptown Horns, for some dopey Stones' world tour, it was called Steel Wheels or sompin'. I did get a ticket out of it. I remember eating a filafel for lunch everyday for about a year, they were only .99. What I do retain from those days are some indelible memories.

So what did you do in the rock n roll wars, Mr. Philly? Tommy Rydell covers and maybe a little doo-wop? I loved Little Darlin'.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 09:45:55 ET
Posted by: I learned, In music class that...

A piano was both a string and percussion instrument.

Date: Wed, December 10, 2008, 00:46:44 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, Somebody's Saturday Night

"Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 23:02:52 ET
Posted by: A piano is a STRING instrument, I say!!, And most older organs were WIND instruments!!!"

...and on the Sixth Day, the Lord doth invent Viagra. And, among the midlife execs, it was Good.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 23:02:52 ET
Posted by: A piano is a STRING instrument, I say!!, And most older organs were WIND instruments!!!

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 20:27:47 ET
Posted by: Lazlo Sanders, Boulder, Colorado

In regards to the pianist debate: isn't the angle of DF & WB to utilize studio musicians to give th tunes different feels? They used a variety of different bands for each tune of Aja and Gaucho - what's wrong with furthering that musical experimentation?

And, to add a slightly childish argument: like any of us could do any better.
For shame.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 19:51:32 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Raj -

How soon after the demise of the MC5 did you play w/ Wayne and/or Don?

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 19:23:58 ET
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJ

I went to the Englishtown flea market once, and was surprised how nice the neighborhood is just literally down the street from it.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 18:35:37 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell NJ

Jive,
Yeah. Essex county can be tricky, you can be looking at a mansion on Upper Mountain Rd.and 5 minutes later be in some altogether different place.Matter of fact on that monday night I hung out at the back of the Wellmont listening to the sound check.(you could hear the boys pretty well) On the way home I thought I would take a short cut and proceeded on a hour long tour of the Oranges. I hear Ya. I remember a few years ago I was in L.A.playing golf at Belair Country Club and made a wrong turn and I thought I was on a movie set.It was sad to see so many poor and homeless people.Even sadder that the poor were so close to such wealth!!

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 16:36:36 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Bob, drummers who play out of the pocket are usually stars and virtuosos who don't need to play in the pocket anymore to please their bandleader. I think Billy Cobham, Keith Moon, Stewart Copeland (somewhat), certainly Maestro Sanchez and the great Gene Krupa and certainly Vinnie, forgoodnessakes, and Buddy Rich, Bill Bruford, these guys taught you something special about persussion when you heard them. You as the listener added the one and heard what was in the pocket. But they weren't limited to it by any means. "


Full Frontal nuzzle coming your way my Rajah !


.... Full FRONTAL !


J. Fly ! ™

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 16:16:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Hey Philly. Spoken like an asshole. Too many onions on that cheesesteak, must have lost your sense of humor. There's a time to play the pocket and a time to step out if you're allowed by your keeper. The best respect the pocket but live to play outside it.

I don't know about you but I made a living singing and playing percussion for a time. Wayne Kramer and Don Was were pretty fair bandmates.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 15:44:58 ET
Posted by: Dugan, The Liberty Inn

Janie, KC is playing in Williamsburg at a place called Rose Live. Check his MySpace page. I think a few slinky Blue babes might actually be in attendance too....and of course myself in the role of "Big Daddy"....

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 15:22:33 ET
Posted by: Denise, H cubicle

It's Hinktown:

http://www.boston.com/jobs/galleries/gifts_for_the_cube/

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 14:24:34 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Dugan,

Where is Keith playing on the 11th?

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 13:39:28 ET
Posted by: Apology to Dean, my PC

Dean,

I posted those Gibson lyrics because I felt they were relative to Steely Doc's vehicle game. As people were posting vehicular lyrical snippets without giving credit to the songwriters, I did the same in the spirit of the game. This had been previously posted on the Blue with credit to Gibson, and appears likewise on Fagen's site. There was no intent to plagarize as I assumed those reading were already aware by whom it was written. I just felt it was worth mentioning again given the current topic.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 12:31:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Dugan,

I wish I was in the neighborhood. I would join you. I love to hear Carlock, with SD, and his other projects.

Carlock demonstrates what everyone should know, most GREAT drummers can make their distinctive mark, while still grooving in the pocket (when there is a pocket to occupy). Yes, there are a few (very few) well-known drummers who have decided they are "too big" for the pocket, it seems. I dismiss those drummers as side-show acts, and not band-worthy. But, let's be honest. Those cats can still play the pocket, if they choose...they are just making bad decisions.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 12:27:52 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar6, Did It Again

sometimes it seems as if wherever you turn, Steely Dan is in da face.
Donald Fagen wrote liner notes to Steve Khan Arrow's album.

===
Donald Fagen Liner Notes: The kid from Westwood, after years of study and sacrifice, can now do just about everything he wants with an electric guitar. He has now begun to branch out into other areas. To this I can testify. I was there on that sticky afternoon at Mediasound Studios in Manhattan when Khan, obviously an intense, driven man, gave the go-ahead sign to his two enormous roadies, a pair of titans in "Inspector Fuseau" T-shirts. Four huge rectangular slabs of limestone were carted into Studio A and, while engineers and musicians alike looked on in horror, were carefully positioned in an igloo-like configuration in the center of the floor. Each dolmen had been meticulously decorated in a surreal, rather gallic style. In the shadow of this makeshift shrine, Khan began to rehearse the tunes with the other musicians. Before each run-through, Khan would stare at the structure from a different angle, as if trying to discern the answer to a hopelessly cosmic question, and then burn through the take as if he were possessed. The rest of the band seemed to respond to his blazing energy and were soon playing with unheard of fire and precision. During a union break, when Khan began to refer casually to the four tablets as "the brine, the salta, the awn and the alder," even the usually staid Will Lee almost choked on his eggplant frappé.
Some people think they know all there is to know about Steve Khan. Sure, he does a great Ed Sullivan; O.K., he's got an almost Teutonic fascination with little machines. But don't let anyone tell you he's just another guitar player.
===


and Terry Callier covered Do It Again in 1979 on his Turn You To Love album.
never knew that until i heard it just a few secs ago.
hm. it's pretty eh, weird :-)

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 12:15:50 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Dirty City

Carlock is playing some club shows in this dirty city on the 10th and 11th. All sorts of milk trucks will be eased into all manner of spaces, figuratively speaking of course. And drinks all around...it IS the holidays, after all. Who's with me?

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 12:13:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Well, it is true that recordings on vinyl sound better than CDs when the vinyl record is:

1. On quality vinyl

2. In pristine condition

3. Played on a high-end system, including an audiophile turntable with the needle/cartridge in outstanding condition.

I recall that, back in the day, most audiophiles considered reel-to-reel recordings to be superior to even the best vinyl recordings. Of course, similar caveats are attached to the condition of the tape and the quality of the equipment used.

Of course, there are good and bad recordings on CD, too and the equipment varies in quality. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that, for most people in the real world, the sound they are getting from their digital/CD recordings, on their typical systems is better than what they were hearing on their scratchy records played on inferior turntables, with old cartridges, through sub-standard stereo systems.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the sound of well-engineered quality analog recordings, on superior vinyl, played through top-notch systems. I do notice that I get a lot of skipping while listening in my car, on the daily commute, though.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 10:25:18 ET
Posted by: MTC,

is mixed a little too hot in the mix. I enjoy the album, of course, but it's still noticeable when stacked against earlier stuff like The Nightfly or past SD albums. So what does this mean? That the clarity and warmth are sacrificed a little bit for the sake of an all-around increase in volume which is unnecessary.

I was reading something interesting about the audio quality of CDs vs analog and why people consider the latter to be superior. Here's a sample:

"Lets talk about sample rate and the Nyquist Theory. This theory is that the actual upper threshold of a piece of digital audio will top out at half the sample rate. So if you are recording at 44.1, the highest frequencies generated will be around 22kHz. That is 2khz higher than the typical human with excellent hearing can hear. Now we get into the real voodoo. Audiophiles have claimed since the beginning of digital audio that vinyl records on an analog system sound better than digital audio. Indeed, you can find evidence that analog recording and playback equipment can be measured up to 50khz, over twice our threshold of hearing. Here's the great mystery. The theory is that audio energy, even though we don't hear it, exists as has an effect on the lower frequencies we do hear. Back to the Nyquist theory, a 96khz sample rate will translate into potential audio output at 48khz, not too far from the finest analog sound reproduction. This leads one to surmise that the same principle is at work. The audio is improved in a threshold we cannot perceive and it makes what we can hear "better". Like I said, it's voodoo."

Full article: http://www.tweakheadz.com/16_vs_24_bit_audio.htm

So yeah. When we listen back to CDs, we're only actually getting half that. Obviously something recorded at 24-bits/96Mhz will take up more memory, and CDs are not capable of this level of output anyway except by means of standard WAV file output. You could technically record it as data, but even so, CD readers are set to the standard output and it takes more memory anyway, leading me to wonder why the format hasn't moved beyond the standard 2 1/2 decades old disc format in favor of something better.

So I guess the moral of the story is, SD vinyls have better audio quality than their CD counterparts. Old technology owns new tech's ass, at least in this respect.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 10:18:57 ET
Posted by: DandomLurker, Philadelphia

"The pocket is for drones, not the special players."

Possibly the most ignorant statement I've read in a few weeks. Spoken like a non-musician who really wants to be a musician. Get a life.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 09:30:54 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

The piano IS a percussion instrument.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 08:52:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah Redux,

Did I mention the piano can be played as a percussion instrument?

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 08:51:13 ET
Posted by: Flocko, @flytown

Sunday Morning back at the wheel

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 08:50:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Bob, drummers who play out of the pocket are usually stars and virtuosos who don't need to play in the pocket anymore to please their bandleader. I think Billy Cobham, Keith Moon, Stewart Copeland (somewhat), certainly Maestro Sanchez and the great Gene Krupa and certainly Vinnie, forgoodnessakes, and Buddy Rich, Bill Bruford, these guys taught you something special about persussion when you heard them. You as the listener added the one and heard what was in the pocket. But they weren't limited to it by any means.

Think of Victor Feldman's piano on I Got the News. Victor, who was gifted percussionist and played around this so-called pocket with such alacrity and style. So brilliant, so far afield from the rest of the song or anything resembling a pocket. I watched Victor's son Jake one night replicating the IGTN for another great piano player and it was a great eye opener. The pocket is for drones, not the special players.

Date: Tues, December 09, 2008, 07:33:00 ET
Posted by: Get in the car Poinsie, I am to put into hyperspace

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 23:08:57 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

From 11 Tracks of Whack:

There's a Cobra Gunship for his golden boy

On the bus across from us seen once in silhouette

It's raining boxcars did you know

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 22:48:57 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Bob, once again, you've totally mis-interpreted my post. I suggest you read more carefully, as this is not the first, nor the second, time, you've managed to mangle my thoughts.

I never suggested he was a "D-bag". I KNOW he is a fellow SD fan, and I am aware that he was announced at a SD show.

Here is what I said:

"Alton Brown is, for me, one of the least watchable humans to ever appear on TV. I DESPISE his unfunny and condescending presentation. He is the Kenny Mayne of the Food Channel."

I don't like his TV persona. I find his presentation to be offensive.

As a long time TV research executive, I am familiar with the audience reaction to his shows, and I am friends with the research executive who conducted extensive research on him (and all Food Channel) shows and personalities. (He, BTW, loves Alton's shows.) Alton (his TV persona) is a polarizing figure, for the most part. He has many fans, and his shows perform reasonably well, for the most part.

If you say, he's a nice guy, I believe it. He comes across like a great guy, in print, IMO. I still can't stand to watch his incessant mugging.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 22:42:13 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

I never knew you, you were a rollerskater

Duth,

I drove up from DC to Montclair for the 11/18 Wellmont show. My mapquest directions said to make a right on Bloomfield Ave. (I was supposed to loop around and make a right toward Montclair), and 5 minutes latr, I'm among the strip joints and check cashing stores in the bowels of Newark. I'll know better next time.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 22:28:03 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell, NJ

Drive west on Sunset to the sea!!!

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:51:32 ET
Posted by: AX, FL

Why don't we grab a cab to my hotel

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:48:19 ET
Posted by: GP, RJ

I waited for my baby
But she never made the train

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:31:55 ET
Posted by: We're 30 miles out of Phoenix,

I get four or five miles a gallon in this old car

This all too mobile home

You walked out on the life that we once knew

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:25:12 ET
Posted by: steely outtake locomotion,

So now I got to catch that wunderbar express
(Talkin' 'bout My Home)

Drive the coach-and-six to the county line
Point me towards the tube and I'll be just fine
(The Bear)

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:20:35 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

Teddy's rolling now most every night
Skatin' backwards at the speed of light

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 21:07:50 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Geoff - "...and I should be able to sue Dan Fogelberg for making me into a pussy"...believe that's credited to Dennis Leary (I state that so the Dean doesn't raise his dreaded pom-poms toward me).

Oh and Dean...(giving you some white space, here)...I've met Alton Brown and he's not quite the D-bag you portray (the jury's still out on you, however)...quite a nice bloke, actually...lives close to me...WB announced his attendance at a concert a few years ago so, again, I guess you couldn't be more wrong unless now you DON'T trust WB's judgement...uh huh. Most folks I query think "Good Eats" and "Feasting on Asphalt" are pretty shows for their realm (but like Donald says, let me know when YOUR next TV show is coming out and maybe you've then got a right to criticize their founder).

Rajah...Antonio Sanchez?...you know he doesn't play in the pocket enough...you need to get out more to hear some live dates.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 20:39:38 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

bang-zoom to the moon on things unknown

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 20:32:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Not sure of the conveyance, but:

"They're speeding towards our sun" and "their engines make the white sand swirl"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 20:03:49 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

They came in under the radar
When our backs were turned around
In a fleet of Lincoln Town Cars
They rolled into our town

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 19:53:00 ET
Posted by: Le Jacques de la Velocité, 1996

Something like this as I recall…

"He can't hear you, honey,
That's OK
Just throw your luggage in that Chevrolet
And you're right on
You run out on that lame stampede, right on
Oh angel, guaranteed"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 19:47:47 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

I'll fly down to Muswellbrook

You hopped a bus for NYC

To haulin' boss crude in the big rigs

Men in grey limousines will drive you down

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 19:27:38 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same

This highway runs from Paraguay

On that train all graphite and glitter

Sorry for any duplicates!

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 19:23:24 ET
Posted by: Geoff, Wiggy pad II

So I hear Joe Satriani is suing Coldplay. I went to listen to the stuff. I also read a bunch of blogs, and 90% of them said that CP didn't copy Satch. Of course they are completely wrong. The 10% who said CP did copy JS presented logical and intelligent analyses, and also demonstrated good taste.

If DF/WB get busted for taking a little bit of Keith Garrett for use as a tasty intro to a brilliant original work, then Coldplay should lose the case for taking a reasonably original melodic idea and making a whole song out of it.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 18:49:28 ET
Posted by: Lots of trains, in their lyrics.

Take the T-line.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 18:04:54 ET
Posted by: I have a limo ride in the back, Line given to Joe Walsh from Donald

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 17:37:11 ET
Posted by: saint lefty, the good

¿ saint augustine was right?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1864878,00.html

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:42:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

I'm Your Vehicle,

No mention of William Gibson?

Plagiarism is big, here on The Blue.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:36:28 ET
Posted by: 88 Fingers, 16 Thumbs ,

I know a fellow with a motor launch for hire.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:36:21 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, the Lady and the Reprobate

Well, she's leaving in the limo

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:14:40 ET
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlanta

I pointed my car down 7th avenue.

She drives to Vegas with a kid or two.

Undersea by rail

Beloved white Aries

Drive the coast and drive right back again

We can got out drivin on Slowhand Row.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:06:06 ET
Posted by: Was this, Steely Dan?

My Maserati goes 185

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 15:02:39 ET
Posted by: I'm your vehicle, Baby

A Steely Dan concert is akin to witnessing the passage of a single multiplex vehicle the size of a motorcade or convoy, its various segments comprising limousines, ice-cream wagons, hearses, lunch-carts, ambulances, black marias, and motorcycle outriders, all of it Rolls-grade and lacquered like a tropical beetle. The horns glint, as it rolls majestically past, splendid, a thing of legend, and utterly peculiar unto itself.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 14:45:02 ET
Posted by: Grey, Hound

To use the technique of one of Docs earlier contests:

Catch that early bus called happy day.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 14:38:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

We could rent a paranymphic glider

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 13:43:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

excellent answers everyone...keep it up! I loved the yellow Jag!!!

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 12:06:30 ET
Posted by: lol , liverpool uk

when i heard i grabbed a cab to where he lay

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 12:00:35 ET
Posted by: lol, liverpool uk

but until my ship comes in i'll live night by night

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 11:44:08 ET
Posted by: More, Vehicles

I'm building the Andria Doria

She takes the taxi

Driving in my car

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 11:12:48 ET
Posted by: Dugan, This Dirty City

That business about milk trucks easing into spaces gets my mind to wandering...

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 10:49:13 ET
Posted by: Furniture, Vehicles

Zooming on a couch.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 10:46:51 ET
Posted by: Aerial , Vehicles

your daredevil hang glider

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 10:43:51 ET
Posted by: Aquatic, Vehicles

From their boats of iron.

Crewmen of the True Companion.

Riding the crest of a wave.

A motor launch for hire.

Undersea by rail.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 10:27:06 ET
Posted by: ABC, DEF

Those trucks in the street.
Scratch the cab, we can grab the local.
The double-A.
On that train.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 10:10:56 ET
Posted by: XX,

"In a fleet of Lincoln Towncars..."

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 09:27:45 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Better rev up the motor scooters cause Daddy don't drive in that Eldorado no more.

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 09:10:19 ET
Posted by: Selfish Gene, CM

"(don't you scratch my new car"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 08:46:58 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba,

"All aboard the 'Carib Cannibal'"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 07:54:19 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, coffee....

"The milk truck eased into my space.."

G

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 07:50:08 ET
Posted by: Halabertoom,

Sounds like the shadow is on the sauce again
HaHa

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 07:43:51 ET
Posted by: GusMahler, Long Island, NY

"I drove the Chrysler, watched from the darkness while they danced..."

"We take the Tube to Club Hi-Ho"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 06:19:54 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

" is there gas in the car?"

Date: Mon, December 08, 2008, 01:21:59 ET
Posted by: A mid-priced luxury sedan, Shut the garden door!

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 23:02:42 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Also, the yellow Jag.

And some guy driving a coffee truck.

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 22:56:32 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

We'll take Big Red, the Blazer, it's nice inside.
(And guess who's coming along for the ride...)

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 22:11:35 ET
Posted by: Hey 36, ABQ

When you put me on the Wolverine up to Annandale

The Audi TT

The Double A down to Sheridan Square

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 21:13:24 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

You can have "Shark-de-Ville"

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 21:12:26 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

You in your Lark

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 21:07:01 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

since so many of you had great ideas for my Steely Dan Furniture Challenge, I present the

STEELY DAN VEHICLE CHALLENGE

I'll start off with:

1) Kamakiri Steam Powered 10

2) Technicolor Motorhome

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 18:24:30 ET
Posted by: Gina/Mizar6,

no, it is all about Steely Dan again.

if someone is interested in the album of the Woody Herman Band,

"This is an album by the Woody Herman Band from 1978, it was released on Century Records and contains the "Suite For A Hot Band" composed by Chick Corea for this album, plus a selection of songs from the catalog of Steely Dan. Featured players are Woody Herman on clarinet & sax, Joe Lovano, Frank Tiberi and Bruce Johnstone on sax, Pat Coil on piano, Dennis Dotson, Nelson Hatt and Lin Biviano on trumpet, Birch Johnson and Larry Farrell on trombone, Mitch Holder on guitar, Victor Feldman on percussion, Bill Ross on flute and Tom Scott on lyricon & sax, plus Marc Johnson on bass and Jeff Hamilton on drums.

1. Suite For A Hot Band: First Movement
2. Suite For A Hot Band: Second Movement
3. Suite For A Hot Band: Third Movement
4. Green Earrings
5. Kid Charlemagne
6. I've Got The News
7. Aja
8. FM

drop me an email and i show you the way :-)

Date: Sun, December 07, 2008, 17:44:20 ET
Posted by: ,

Becker and Fagen are good musicians but when compared with the virtuosos in their employ, it's hard for anyone to match up. I could personally live without Becker's live Josie playing. Then again, maybe I have simply grown tired of that song played live. There are places where their respective styles really shine, however. For example, in I Got the News and Hey Nineteen studio recordings, Becker makes those songs and those parts would be worse played by anyone else, IMHO. Of course, in those days they were more judicious about when their own parts made the cut. On Circus Money, I think his tasteful guitar works well also.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 20:45:27 ET
Posted by: I got news, word

No, steelydoc. I was at a beacon, pre beard, and then a wellmont post jeff.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 18:18:16 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

hey We Got the News

were you at Borgata?

shoot me an email...

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 17:42:07 ET
Posted by: we got the news, wordsville

Thanks Chris, that is my impression too. Beard was spectacular and having heard him on C$ I was delighted to hear the same luscious stuff from him on stage with SD. I agree Fagen is not a good live soloist...although I'm sure he'd sound better if only he played a less annoying sounding instrument (his KB OR his melodica). But yeah he da man so....I'll take it

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 17:36:35 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Also, I believe I know what you're talking about (the 'jarring' stuff). Jim was way, way out, but he definitely knew what he was doing. Its something you don't hear a whole lot with Steely Dan and it was damn refreshing.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 17:33:45 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Beard/Young are soloing on the piano, Fagen solos on the rhodes. They've switched solo positions in the song a few times. Its definitely Beard doing the good stuff at the Borgata show. Fagen doesn't really have solo chops, and its painfully obvious when he's following Beard. Not sure why he forces it on everyone, I suppose its his band and he'll do what he wants.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 16:47:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

Beard was great on I Got the News at Borgata and Montclair...can really tell the difference from the summer shows...

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 14:55:11 ET
Posted by: ,

Possibly. But the intro sounded a little more 'out there' at Borgata. Anyone know?

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 12:56:51 ET
Posted by: We got the news, wordsville

Regarding intro to I Got The News. I saw 2 shows this year, and as many last year, an it was my perception that Jeff or Jim just play Da=Da-Da- Da (the big sustaining chords), and it is Fagen on that (horrible sounding imo) keyboard that is diddling around in the intro. I too found it jarring but I thought in was our Donald. Anybody else see it this way too?

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 12:48:03 ET
Posted by: To empty,

It's know as improvisation, this 'winging it' stuff. And if he was doing that on the intro to 'I Got the News', and it wasn't the same as the album version, that could explain your feeling of being jarred. I have no doubt coming from Beard though that it must have been excellent indeed.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 09:45:31 ET
Posted by: ,

PS I'm not a musician, so I don't know what I'm talking about really. But Beard was great.

Date: Sat, December 06, 2008, 09:42:53 ET
Posted by: ,

Jim Beard was great. The intro to I Got The News was so jarring, you'd almost think he didn't know the song at all, and was winging it (in an excellent manner). But he played the rest flawlessly, so that wasn't the case. He brings a spark of fresh energy. I hope he continues to contribute to Steely Dan.

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 22:01:42 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

DC,

I live close by in Bethesda, MD. Drove up 220 miles to the Wellmont in Montclair, NJ for the 11/18/08 show the following night after the YouTube video you saw. The person who filmed that could have literally been sitting in the same seats we were in - front row loge, right side.

They were solid, relaxed, precise, and workman-like, with plenty of energy from all the players. Standouts were Beard, an extremely accomplished keyboard man, and Herington, who is always terrific.

We saw 2 shows tis year - 6/13/08, opening night at the Beacon (sadly, the evening that Tim Russert died), and 11/18. The Wellmont crowd was very appreciative, the Beacon crowd was in love. I think I was in love, too, with the younger generation of female Dan Fans dressed to the nines at the Beacon.

I think my favorite mix of soul singers was the 2000 band, with Cynthia Calhoun, Victoria Cave, and Carolyn Leonhart.

I'd love to see these guys hit the studio again. 5 years is already too long.

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 21:34:20 ET
Posted by: Firemop, in the zone

I think I love you, Ha Ha W!!

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 21:07:57 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgata

mildly Dangential I guess....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N91XTcN9zw

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 21:02:46 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Gretchen, I was at the MGM for the show. 1.5 hrs, not a minute more. They want everyone back out to the tables. Nice dinner first @ Alta Strada, caught a quick buzz w/a couple of large martini's chased w/a beer at the show and wobbled a little up to my room. They had a special rate for the SD show. Nice place. I'd go back. Whole night, dinner, drinks, show and room, about $1,000. The SD show, priceless!

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 21:02:41 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Gretchen, I was at the MGM for the show. 1.5 hrs, not a minute more. They want everyone back out to the tables. Nice dinner first @ Alta Strada, caught a quick buzz w/a couple of large martini's chased w/a beer at the show and wobbled a little up to my room. They had a special rate for the SD show. Nice place. I'd go back. Whole night, dinner, drinks, show and room, about $1,000. The SD show, priceless!

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 19:52:11 ET
Posted by: DC, DC

Thanks for posting that Jive.
Pretty cool, the band seems at ease.
Looks like a routine gig,
Walter nails it, he never had any credibility issues - one can always count on every note that he picks. It's out in the open good or bad.
Don has more room to maneuver - the occasional off note is not as noticeable.He seems a little more animated than usually, like he wants to will the audience into being more receptive.
Or maybe he was just still excited about the election, maybe George Soros was even there.
Couldn't see Beard but he is a monster in any setting - hope he stays!
As far as the girls go, it was fun - bringing back some of 2oo6/03 girls would add as far as less shrill goes.
Keith is great as always, the old bear.

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 18:38:55 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

Found the first You Tube video from the 11/17/08 Wellmont show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV5lkzpSBp0

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 17:34:51 ET
Posted by: Johnny Carson, Burbank

Heymike - you know you aren't on the list of people allowed to be funny on the Blue. Scurry back to your corner. Next time, raise your hand until you're called on.

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 16:58:36 ET
Posted by: heymike,

Hey Dean, lighten up man it was a simple cut and paste. Maybe time for Happy Hour, no?

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 16:14:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, Friday Blues Bash

HeyMike didn't make it up, he simply plagiarized it...so let's be clear about that.

He also didn't bother to include the following, from the same source:


"Note: the quotes in this article are fictional."

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2008/12/04/nfl_weekly_predictions_week_14.php

But, if you really believed they were anything other than fictional, or that HeyMike came up with that, himself, perhaps you deserved to be fooled.

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 12:27:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Jack Del Rio was a helluva linebacker and a pretty decent coach. Now we find he's a cognoscenti of things Danesque. Ship him to my Cleveland Browns, he couldn't do any worse than Romeo (that homeo) Crennel.

Joey, as always, you have my full frontal nuzzle in return. Your affection is never lost on me.

Ha-ha, I used to be prolific before my recent public excoriation. Now I'm just a shadow of the Rajah I once knew. Ha-ha, I get the inkling you're actually a woman or one of the more sensitive men I've butted heads with here on what I'm fond of calling, "this field of Blue." And that's not a knock. Can a person be too sensitive? I suppose so but it's still preferable to being irretrievably insensitive. Please take it as a compliment. I'm hopeful that in 46 days when our new President takes up residence we can enter into more, "open and frank," discussions. Are you a Frank fan?

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 12:13:21 ET
Posted by: Fife, eh, Go Steelers!

Hey Mike,
Too f**king funny!

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 11:52:20 ET
Posted by: Big Mike, Did not make that up

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2008/12/04/nfl_weekly_predictions_week_14.php

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 10:18:38 ET
Posted by: HeyMike,

Is that you Mom, I told you to stay away from the computer!

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 09:41:44 ET
Posted by: HeyMike is a , Tarry Town

big fat idiot

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 08:55:16 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Frozen Tundra

Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville Jaguars Head Coach:

After Monday's 30-17 loss in Houston, Jacksonville is 4-8 and in last place in the AFC South. Although the Jags' downfall started earlier in the season, it seems to have reached the boiling point with the loss to the Bengals, followed by Del Rio's disciplinary stance against Mike Peterson. So, if you could go back, Jack, would you do it again?

"I totally resent questions asked in the form of lyrics to Steely Dan songs," says Del Rio. "You'd be surprised how often that happens, though. Ironically, I've banned all Steely Dan's from the locker room. Not the band, mind you, but the sexual tools. Anyway, I guess if I had it to do over, I would have held me temper a little better. For a while there, it wasn't 'Jacksonville;' it was 'Jack's enraged.' But it's too late, to turn back now. I believe, I believe, I believe I've lost this team. Personally, I'm ready for this season to end, so we all can do what I told Mike Peterson to do a month ago: 'go home.'"

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 08:38:23 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Definitely agree with DJ about this years version of Show Biz Kids being pure ecstasy !! Please, please more of the same for 2009, Donald and Walter.
Am already anticipating this summer's road trips .

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 07:03:57 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston

Good to see your post DJ. Glad to see your still lurking out there. Hope all is well.

Chan

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 06:00:43 ET
Posted by: Wanda, WV

Handles like "curious" and "fwf?"

Date: Fri, December 05, 2008, 02:08:23 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

It's just a button I press, Rajah.

I don't understand it. Every time I try to talk to you about something Dan-related all I get is unfunny snark and non-sequiturs from you. You're the most prolific poster on this site, so we're bound to talk to each other at some point, and yet you treat me like one of NYBill's handles.

Grow up. Or write something funny. Either one.

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 21:42:38 ET
Posted by: DJ, ShyTown

The re-worked Show Biz Kids was hands down one of the filthiest tunes of the year...pure ecstasy and let’s have more of the same in the new year!

I had to chime that in as I have been absent for the most part on this board, but that tune really unglued me twice this summer especially after the watered down version with Sugartooth in 2006.

Cheers all!

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 19:58:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, the last laugh

Otilop, we'll have to have a shoreline gathering for the next Dan tour....were you at MGM?

G

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 18:18:34 ET
Posted by: steely dana,

YIKES !!!
What on earth is all that "stuff" in the previous post.......

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 18:17:30 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" The last French horn bit worth anything was on Lennon & McCartney's, "For No One."


Nice .


Full Frontal Nuzzle Coming you way my Steelian Brother .

FULL FRONTAL !!!!!!




J. Fly ! ™

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 16:51:25 ET
Posted by: Ghia Girl,

Re: Donald/Walter interaction on stage.
What do you really expect? They are like an old married couple who do not even have to talk to communicate at this point. Having been on tour for three seasons this year there is probably not much left to say.

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 15:37:57 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Hey Ha-ha, what's that "w" all about after your moniker? Some secret code, mebbe, humh...the only "w" I know is...hey, now it all makes sense!

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 11:12:13 ET
Posted by: Maybe...,

Doc Mu, you may be onto something. However, I'm more inclined to think that whether it's gonna be a new SD album or Donald Fagen solo album it would appear next year. Donald had mentioned in an interview he did last year in Europe that he had brought up doing another SD album with Walter (apparently nothing came of that) and that he had some more solo material he was working on, so my bet's on DF in 2009.

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 10:18:25 ET
Posted by: FWF, shut up already

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 10:14:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

LOL The Donald gets feisty.

Crystalball Scoreboard:

New Tour: Yes (2009, 2010)

Fagen Solo: Yes (2010)

Walter Solo: No

Steely Dan album: No

Date: Thurs, December 04, 2008, 01:19:45 ET
Posted by: Furious White Female,

Lory Price-How cold is it up there in northern PA? Won't ever be any Steely Dan shows near there, but you never know. After all, the Toledo Zoo was a shocker.

Now, I think YOU might be Confused.
Because I'm Furious
Confused is Confused
But Confused really was not confused
And called the fans whores
Which made ME Furious
So that's how I became Furious
Because Confused was not confused
So now I ask you:
Are YOU Confused?
I ask this since you Accused
ME of being Confused.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 23:17:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Alton Brown is, for me, one of the least watchable humans to ever appear on TV. I DESPISE his unfunny and condescending presentation. He is the Kenny Mayne of the Food Channel.

It pains me that he is a fellow Dan fan, but I suppose there is some good in most everyone.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 23:12:00 ET
Posted by: ab, foodnetwork

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/02/author_brown060602.htm


old but good references

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 22:42:53 ET
Posted by: Forward Girl,

I'll just say:
Interesting post.
The reviews of the WB/DF interaction on stage seems to fall into the category of reading 'body language' like tea leaves, no? Here in Boston we do that a lot with professional athletes.
But if it's speculated by multiple people (well, that would be a movement, as Arlo would say), you're right- it does seem to lend credence to the observation.
I tend to think of the Two as social phobics. Being much the same (ignore my handle), maybe that's what I identify with so strongly. This would however preclude judging their behavior in a performance setting, much less judge a 40+ year partnership and its future.
Anyhoo, slow news day. Your thoughts, all?

Oh, and Rest in Peace, wonderful Odetta

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 22:19:51 ET
Posted by: Truth be told,

SD has already given us so much and, as they've more than paid their dues in this ailing industry, don't owe us anything. I'd love for them to come out with something new, not just for our sake but because they're capable and, hopefully, want to. But it's their decision.

This board has been far too negative lately. People need to stop arguing like children and find something more interesting/constructive to talk about. Otherwise, you're just feeding the frenzy. As this board claims to be representative of loyal SD enthusiasts, if an outsider comes in and takes a look at some of what's on display here, they'll think that SD fans are out of their minds and just argue about everything.

You know who speaks for Steely Dan? Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. Period.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 22:02:36 ET
Posted by: Lory Price, Dubois

So Confused and furious are one and the same...hmmm. That's been done before. Sounds like bill's meds have run out and he's not making potholders at present.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 19:20:31 ET
Posted by: Borgata Attendee, east

Perhaps Fagen sensed he was losing the audience at the Borgata. Hey Nineteen was the first hit they played, and a few lines in said "You know this one, huh?"

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 19:20:22 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

And that's their concession. Not "Reelin'," not "Rikki," but "Peg" and "Josie." Semi-hits. FM hits, not big hits, somewhat familiar to the high rollers.

Even when they're predictable, they're a step ahead.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 19:11:17 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Hey Dean, you are so right.

I sat near the front at the Borgata show in June. The "high rollers" were led in just prior to show time, and placws in the front row. After the first four or five songs, almost all of these high rollers got up and left! No radio hits, songs not recognizable to the casual fan, were what opened the show. However, the band really never varied the opening of their shows throughout the year. Good for the more knowledgeable fans. But, they do have to play Josie, Peg, Aja, etc., sometime during the show for the more casual fans.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 17:45:36 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Thank you for writing my post-Rajah post for me, Dean.

"Time for some surprises," come on.

Rajah, I've tried time and time again to talk to you like an adult and engage with you, and all you ever come back with is weirdness. Kindly stop. There's some cogent discussion about Steely Dan in it if you do. Isn't that what we're after?

It's not all "Peg" and "Josie," and that's what my original post had to do with. These guys are loving life. That band, those theaters, those sheds, that little bit of money. What a run.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 17:32:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

My nonsense, Ha? My nonsense? Delve if you will into the deepest recesess of your ballsack, dickless brother of mine, and bring out one iota of new understanding of Steely Dan you have offerred here to us? What do you bring to this table save for a reduction of my own poor offerings?

You don't posit shit, bro, you just talk a load of it.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 17:25:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar

Ha,

Surprises since the last SD album (2003) or, as you asked "last five years""

From the last tour:

2-SD song instrumental medley that consisted of rarely/never performed live SD songs: Everyone's Gone to the Movies AND the Fez. (How many surprises does that count for?)

A center-stage rousing trumpet intro to The Royal Scam. Has SD ever moved a member of the horn section "up front" on stage to introduce a song with a sweet solo?

Terrific rearrangements of Show Biz Kids and Everything You Did. That they rearranged these songs isn't a surprise, but the way they rearranged them was.

In the show I saw, the six songs above started the show. Of them only Show Biz Kids was a radio hit of any merit (I think) and only it and possible The Royal Scam are likely to be recognized by the average casual fan. Sitting in front of me, was a guy who proclaimed to be in the live music biz (ran some festivals, or something) and bragged that he was a BIG Steely Dan fan. During every song above, he turned around and asked me "What's the name of this song?" So, to rephrase my point here, the first six songs seemed designed to appeal to the weathered SD fan that has seen them in concert on many occasions. (How many surprises does THAT count for?)

They played Gaucho

Walter sang Gaucho


From Circus Money:

Walter finally released a new solos album

Walter's solo album got, generally, good reviews all over, and raves from the SD crowd here. Now, I don't know what the reaction was to 11 TOW on the SD message boards, but I'm guessing it was something far less positive than the reception to C$.

Walter has a good voice.


Now, I just touched on surprises from 2008, do I really need to continue?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 17:09:05 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

Could you, I don't know, answer the question Rajah?

Trying to be cryptic and flip might scan well to you as you tap away, but it looks horrible to those who have to read your nonsense.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 16:39:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Steely Dana: we are Donald's Google alerts.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 16:04:48 ET
Posted by: Jasper, Not Jacob

Rees

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 15:59:04 ET
Posted by: steely dana, va

Guess Donald has a Google Alert set up for Steely Dan just like the rest of us :-)
Way too funny !!!!!!

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 15:09:16 ET
Posted by: I'll just say this, ...

I hope for a new Steely Dan or Donald Fagen album in 2009.

I'm not sure how Don and Walt have been feeling about each other in recent days, but judging from concert reports I've read there seems to be a growing rift (or one of those 'I stay in my space, you stay in yours' type of things going on). At least judging from the little-to-no communication between them on stage. However, this could just be the overimagination of a few concert-goers, reading too much into nothing. Who can say for sure?

Nevertheless, I'm hopeful for some output. I just love the anticipation period for a new album. It gets you so worked up and makes the core fanbase excited.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 14:18:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

So who's complaining now, Ha?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 14:03:33 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

"Not on your Nelly. It's time for some surprises."

Name a single one in five years, without using the word "reggae."

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 13:29:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Gratified that article pissed Donald off, Fife. Sometimes you simply shrug crap off your shoulder and other times you just have to give it back right into someone's teeth.

The last French horn bit worth anything was on Lennon & McCartney's, "For No One."

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 13:27:21 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

OMG – That is HILARIOUS!!! Now there’s the sense of humor we have all come to expect and love from our boy Donald!!

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 13:03:08 ET
Posted by: Fife, eh, found at donaldfagen.com

GET WELL SOON, JAKE!
A dozen roses will be sent to the hospital room of Grub Street hack Jacob Rees where he is recovering after a surgical procedure to remove a French horn from his ass.In addition, we have arranged for a full orchestra to set up in the hospital parking lot and serenade Mr. Rees with the "Bahn Frei" polka until we are assured his convalescence is complete.
Hahahahahaha

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 12:30:43 ET
Posted by: SF Dan Fan, San Francisco

Has anyone heard anything about SD's performance at the cancer benefit they played in late November?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 12:05:10 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well, answer the question, Ha, is that the Steely Dan you've come to know, just a couple of guys satisfied with the same old same old? Is that what they've become?

Not on your Nelly. It's time for some surprises.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 11:51:28 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

I don't hear you complaining, Rajah.

Oh, wait. Maybe I do.

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 11:35:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well, there is the fact that these songs must be getting old for them. They are great songs and they have a great group of players, the money's good, the gigs are relatively short, they're in good health, they can still play, though maybe not sing so strong anymore, the core fans are always there so...hey...dude...if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?

Does that sound like the Steely Dan you've come to know?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 11:11:46 ET
Posted by: Ha-ha, w

It's that same sense of humor that guided them in the 60s and 70s, helped them in the 90s, and keeps them touring today. They're just laughing at different things. Shaking their heads and laughing at the fact that an obscure (not to us, but to the rest of the world) reggae re-working of "Everything You Did" can bring the house down 32 years later.

So, yeah. Tour, tour, tour. What else is there to do in the summer? Play a little blues, do a little rap about tequila, make a little money ... why not?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 10:07:36 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

So what does everyone think for 2009? Boys aren't getting any younger and have been out there riding the rails now for a few years. They take a break? Solo tours?

I think Becker is unlikely to do much of a solo tour, if one at all. Back issues and all. He might do a few dates for shits and giggles, but no 20 date set.

Fagen I think just loves it, which is ironic considering their legendary reluctance to perform live in the early days. He seems conflicted about it, on the one hand worried and wound up pretty tight in terms of the product, and on the other hand getting a kick out of it when its a great product.

Thoughts? Odds?

Date: Wed, December 03, 2008, 07:16:52 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Hey Gretchen, I live in Madison. Keep the nutjobs in Clinton! The uranium in our water keeps us passive? Nice to know there's another Danfan on the shore.

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 22:45:13 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Janie,

Yes, I am 51, soon to be 52. A youngster to some, but honestly, I expected to be gone by 25, The way I look at it, I'm 26 years in the black. Everyday I wake up, is a bonus.


Gretchen, what a great story.

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 21:50:52 ET
Posted by: Furious White Female,

You've got that right sister!

I do wonder what happened to that guy "Confused"? I guess we scared the prick off. If he hadn't come on here from the get-go with his B.S. about the fans being whores and all that other nonsensical stuff he might have picked up a thing or two.

Guess he hadn't the chops for a real Steely debate with those of OUR kind!

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 21:48:45 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my behavior at the library today,I had a flashback to 1969 when i was capable of performing those acts which i was viewing!!wow!!the colors!!heavy man!!!.I am seeking help as we speak,i have contacted one of my old flames from back then and have initiated negotiations to see if it might be possible to re-live a moment in time.I will report back after my physical to see if i might be able to survive such an encounter.She's willing i'm not to sure if i'm able!!!!....fezzie

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 21:23:49 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Gretchen,

I heard they identified that guy -- his name is Confused and he was looking for his golden dildo.

Dean, "a few years left"?? What's that all about. If I remember correctly, at 50, you're a youngster around here...

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 20:56:14 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, I have a headache....

Today on my lunch hour I had to visit the local library for some research. Upon arriving there I found an irate young man being told by one of the librarians that he was not to use the library's computer to view pornography. He kept stalking around the area ranting and raving about how he sees others using porn and all of the pictures he views are completely "appropriate." Then he flew into a rage, banging his fists on the computer keyboard and screaming "I'm so angry!" He had, by this time, turned beet red and was writhing in his chair. He then flew out of his chair and proclaimed that he was going to slit the throat of every person in the library and drink their blood. 911 was summoned, and the man swiftly fled the scene before the authorities arrived. He was last seen running down route 81 in Clinton, CT waving a large stick. WTF? That was the kind of day I had. I'm goin' to bed.

G

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 20:37:10 ET
Posted by: Geoff, San Jose, Earth, today

SD,

which planet do you live on dude?

If WB/DF came up with another "Peg" or "Josie", either would still be a disastrous flop. Sorry mate Earth has become extremely hostile to decent music. You have to be a Brittany Spears or Kanye West to impress the Rolling Stone crowd. (I heard bits of his new album the other day on NPR, it was pitiful; not as painful as Brittany, but so pathetic I had to laugh out loud). I hear that Chinese Democracy the other day, seemed to have a spot of decent shredding hear and there, but Axl Rose's vocals are as nauseating as ever.

Geoff

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 16:08:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well I guess there is no end to the lengths detractors will go to sideswipe The Steely Dan. Must mean there's some deep feelings there. Impoverished indeed, Ms. Runaway, what a croc, I wholeheartedly agree. My goodness, what a lack of aural comprehension. What was this fellow listening to one wonders? So very many Steely Dan songs seem so simplistic and bare on the surface, I'm thinking of Black Cow, Walter's extra cut on C€, and the wonderful What a Shame About Me. Oh, the major Jane Street sunrise...

Will they muster us up another album? Oh yes they will. Even if only 100K buy. Donald and Walter are really coming into their champagne supernova now. I can feel it. My turban tingles with patient excitement heretofore unexperienced.

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 14:14:37 ET
Posted by: Dash LaRue, Work

New Japanese SHM - Super High Material CD version of C$!!!!
Not sure what bonus material will appear.

Circus Money [SHM-CD] [Limited Release]

Catalog No.: VICP-70003
Label/Distributor: Victor Entertainment
Format: CD
Number of discs (or other units): 1
Release Date: 2008/12/17
Price: 2667yen (2800yen Tax incl.)
[US$ 28.17]

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 12:24:36 ET
Posted by: macy's, NYNY

Consider us Rickrolled.
Again

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 07:21:07 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Jive, thanks so much for the setlist information. SD fans are very cool!

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 02:32:38 ET
Posted by: Compilation Idea, UMG/Geffen

Freaky Folk from Fagen and Becker

With A Gun
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Pearl of The Quarter
Fire In The Hole
Dallas
Any Major Dude
Reeling In the Years
King Of the World
Change Of the Guard
My Old School

Bonus cuts
American Lovers
Giles of the River
Canyon Ladies
Sun Mountain
.....put some flowery folk-acid artwork on the cover- liner notes by Skunk- free rolling papers.....wow...trippy.....Steely folk dan....
on UMG Records and Tapes

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 02:11:07 ET
Posted by: Local dj, Hogan's ALley

Other Deep Cut Hit from the 'Dan

although they did have 10 Top 40 hit singles...Steely Dan really made their name by being the favourite band of program directors and dj's at those oh so cool and sophisticated FM radio outlets in the '70s.....Pot was cheap, albums on sale from $4.99 and puting together a great high fi...was fun and illuminating especially when listening to people who actually put something into their sound...like the 'Dan and all those prog rock bands like Yes, ELP, King Crimson..even Zeppelin had a great mix...Stevie too...but I digress...some of the FM hits I can remember...I was living in PA during the '70s...so was listening too WYSP, WIOQ, WMMR and WIFI92....they all seemed to love Steely Dan...so it was a joy to grow up there

1973- Dirty Work, Midnight Cruiser
1974- Pretzel Logic, Night By Night
1975- Everyone's Gone To The Movies, Gold Teeth II
1976- The Royal Scam, Don't Take Me ALive
1977- Dallas (re-issue, import), My Old School, Bodhisattva (there was a brief resurgence of all the old albums in a lead up to Aja's release), Bad Sneakers, Hatian Divorce
1978- I Got the News, Aja, FM Reprise, Here At the Western World
1979- Black Cow- a staple of commercial Jazz station WRVR,
1980- Bodhisatva (live)
1981- Babylon Sisters, Gaucho
...radio was great back then- the DJ's were smart and friendly- I used to call WIOQ to request Dallas and other shit...when I moved back to NY in 1979 I used to chat with Les Davis every week...he used to play Steely Dan in between Miles and Kenny Burrell haha...awesome times!

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 01:53:13 ET
Posted by: Local Boy Spends a quarter, East of Jersey

Re- Dirty Work and the folk influence on the early 'Dan...

Dirty Work was never issued as a 45-rpm in the US -but was issued in Europe (Holland I believe....It was an FM-radio hit in the US and got a ton of airplay on what was then called AOR- Album Oreinted Rock stations...incidently Fagen apparently hated the Palmer version and did not want it on the album (according to B.Sweet's book), also Fagen and Becker passed it along to fellow ABC act Birtha- an all female band from Oakland, who issued it as a single in late 1973...(it bombed)...I believe it was eventually coved by Melissa Manchester (yow), the Pointer Sisters (?)....
Steely Dan's folk influence vanished by 1975 and the sound may have seen its best realization on the Tommy Kaye records (although I have not heard these)....

Palmer actually re-surfaced circa 1978 on ABC Records as leader of The Big Wa Koo...a Vermont based folky-rock band..sort of an eastcoast Poco...they had one minor hit Berkshire

Date: Tues, December 02, 2008, 01:15:38 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Kidz if you want some fun...welcome to the Steely future:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 23:58:44 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

Otilop,

7/27/96 Hartford

Set One:
Do It Again, Bad Sneakers, Everyone's Gone to the Movies, Josie/ DF intros WB, Jack of Speed, Hey 19, FM vamp/ band intro, Green Earrings, Rikki Don't Lose That Number, Green Flower Street, I.G.Y., Peg
Set Two:
East St Louis Toodle-oo, Glamour Profession, My Waterloo, Wetside Story, Midnight Cruiser, Black Cow, Home At Last, Kid Charlemagne
Encore:
Don't Take Me Alive, My Old School

http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/hartford.htm

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 23:31:11 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, The foot of Mt. Belzoni

Dean,

I agree with you, and I'd love to hear something fresh and creative. One of the curious aspects of 2vN and EMG is that while Jon Herington has wowed us with his prowess on tour since 2000, he's gotten precious little play on either of those recordings.

I've grown to really enjoy Walter's style over the years, and he seems to expand his skills with every tour. Truth be told, I thought his limitations detrated from both 2vN and EMG, given the rich history of SD session guitar greats over the years. But, Herington is absolutely pure, and clearly indespensable in the concert setting. The counterpoint between the two styles on stage really enhances the experience.

If I could have my wish fulfilled in a future SD album, I's love to hear much more of that piano so front and center in Katy Lied, and that tradition of exhilarating guitar work.

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 22:56:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

I don't think EMG was a weaker effort, but that's my opinion. (I think it was slightly stronger than TvN, actually.)

I don't really remember it getting bad reviews, either. In fact, I think it got decent (if not rave) reviews. I can't recall any real bad reviews (from respectable sources), though.

The boys have plenty of $$ to make an album the way they want to, these days. The royalties are good, and they are flush with several years of concert money. I don't think they can make an album as expensive as Aja...but, I also don't think they have any interest in that, these days.

While I love to see them live, I for one, hope they use this break to relax, create and record. Solo, SD...it's all good, IMO. I'm counting on one more Dan album in my lifetime though, and I don't plan on living too much longer...so it would be nice to get that one in the next couple years.

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 22:19:31 ET
Posted by: SD, is not dead

EMG simply wasn't as good as previous works, and the negative reviews helped keep potential buyers away. I hate to say this but these days SD is catering mostly to their hardcore fanbase. Most casual music shoppers aren't going to pick SD over their usual flavor of the month purchases. Unless they can create another Josie or Peg or Rellin' or Rikki or whatever that has instant impact and appeal, and reach that mass audience, inevitably through radio play, they won't move over 100/150,000 copies.

People complained about EMG having too much of a prevalent sameness, i.e. same groove, same sound, lack of hooks, general lack of risk taking, and interpret it whatever way but that's how it is. In contrast, MTC was a bit more fresh but suffered from a weak single (H-Gang -- they should've chose Security Joan), so despite it being a superior album it suffered in sales. Finsally, the repackaged 'new' compilations and DF box set seem more like ploys to cash in on past success.

I suppose that they can survive off of 100,000 per album except that they won't have the kind of funding to cover any long-term, big studio projects. Perhaps that's why they went back on tour this year and overcharged for the same old show. They pretty much ignored what the fans wanted and just came out and did basically the same thing over and over again. It doesn't help that the economy has been in a slump, either.

If they do another album, I'd hope for promotion similar to TAN, such as all the activity on their main site, inc. the contest, soundclips, and a more active presence in the media/radio promoting their own material. You make an album, you're kind of expected to help push sales. It really helps when the material is infectious and makes people want to stick around for more. Hell, put a single up as a free download on the site. I can't stand to watch genius careers go down in flames.

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 17:40:10 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu , Attention: Span

"After a few months of dogged practice, Mr. Rees thinks he is coming along rather well. He hopes to do better by wheedling advice from noted horn-players performing with visiting symphony orchestras. At the Albert Hall, he corners Günter Högner, the Vienna Philharmonic's principal horn. "I whip out my copy of K. 447 and ask if he has any tips." Though Mr. Högner replies in German, ******Mr. Rees can sense the man's befuddlement. The interpreter explains: "He says you've still got the fingering written in."******

In a last, desperate rush to get ready for the festival, Mr. Rees comes to America, enrolling in one of those typically American institutions, a summer music camp. This one is exclusively for horn players, an Adirondack lake-and-cabins affair. Everyone is exceedingly nice. Everyone except Hermann Baumann, an old German virtuoso who is the camp's star teacher and its blunt taskmaster. Mr. Rees gets no facile encouragement from Mr. Baumann, who, after listening to the hopeful amateur stumble through the K. 447 Allegro, gives a rather unambiguous assessment. "You are not ready to play this," Mr. Baumann tells him. "Not so gut."

From there it goes downhill. When, a few days later, Mr. Rees tries to play the Rondo for Mr. Baumann, the German stops him before he can blat his first blat and tells him to hold the horn higher, more confidently. Mr. Rees continues to slump. "Up!" shouts Mr. Baumann, to little effect. Finally, he bellows at Mr. Rees: "Hold it like a man!"

Though Mr. Rees doesn't realize it at the moment -- at the moment, he is inspired to make a rude gesture behind the old man's back -- this is just what he needed. Mr. Rees was desperate for someone to take him seriously enough to give him a flogging instead of a pat on the head. He hunkers down and finally makes real progress.

It isn't until late in the book that we meet the demon who has been driving the bus. Early on Mr. Rees had written: "My story is the story of most people who learn an instrument. They make some progress but fail to practice enough and, without huge regret, give it up when they leave school." But it turns out that Mr. Rees has regrets aplenty. He is tormented by the memory of his first and last solo horn performance, when, as a woefully unprepared high-school student, he attempted to play the K. 447 in front of an audience of school chums and parents. It was a fiasco. He "tripped and stumbled and clattered" his way to an ignominious finale, leaving him with the memory of "a public disemboweling."

Personal embarrassment isn't the only trauma in such an experience. For anyone who cares about music, the act of battering a thing of beauty is awful in and of itself. Of all the stunts George Plimpton undertook in his career as a "participatory journalist" -- pitching in Yankee Stadium, quarterbacking for the Detroit Lions -- the one that filled him with true terror was his stint in the percussion section of the New York Philharmonic. Making mistakes is a universal part of sport -- even Ted Williams struck out. "But in music you cannot make a mistake," ****Plimpton wrote. "If you make a mistake, a big one, you destroy a work of art."*****



Karma's a b****. Mr. Rees turns up his nose at the most anal pop band ever, and then gets b***-slapped for wanting to play just what he feels. LOL

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 16:18:55 ET
Posted by: north of hollywood, you dont wanna know

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20243537,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 14:25:19 ET
Posted by: A.D.D. or whatever,

Sorry Raj I could finish that article

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 12:40:29 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Around

Big Fan, I'll see you on the 13th! I was also thinking of going to the SBK show on the 20th, but my boss and his family are having a big party that night, so that's a no go for me. But I did see them at Black Eyed Sally's over the summer and that place was fantastic, I think you'll like it if you get a chance to head over there!

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 09:54:59 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Impoverished? Please, give me a break! Now I've heard it all!

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 08:58:46 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work

GM - Yes we plan on being at the Maple Tree on the 13th. I see they are also playing at Black Eyed Sally's in downtown Hartford on Dec. 20 which might be fun as a pre Christmas party.

Date: Mon, December 01, 2008, 08:39:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Here's a little article sure to raise your ire, Dandom:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809570929868093.html

Steely Dan. Still the band people love to hate.

Date: Sun, November 30, 2008, 23:03:02 ET
Posted by: Fezzie, boston

OK folks,I'm just trying to be proactive here,I do not want to see the boy's and girls go into hibernation,i would like them take the time to change their set-list dramaticly for next year(i hope)more of Donalds solo stuff involved in the setlist!!.I love Walter,but lets face a few facts here(at least in my opinion}.A 22 tune setlist including a mixture of SD and DF tunes is going to bring the max out of the fandom.Our boy's and girls have gone as far as they can with the SD music alone.Respect for eachother is wonderful,and there is no reason why a couple of Walters tunes should not be included.Please tell me though,am i deranged in suggesting that the "wow" factor in regard to a huge new buzz would be including some solo stuff from Donalds solo music??? Think about it,as they should,in monatary terms alone.With the right setlist(i'll leave that to our stellar posters}What do you think the hype might be if,lets say it leaks over the late winter and early spring that the boy's and girls are comming out with some big surprises for a summer tour.Oh well,just some musings as the winter rolls in.......fezzie

Date: Sun, November 30, 2008, 21:39:19 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan, Death Watch

some turnout, a hundred grand...

...If they sell those kind of album #s with their next one, if there is a next one, Irving Azoff will take them out to din din.

Date: Sun, November 30, 2008, 12:33:55 ET
Posted by: :D,

It's coming
The new album from Walter Becker
Circus Money

HAHA!

Wonder if SD/Don is working on something new...

Date: Sun, November 30, 2008, 09:45:04 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

A belated Happy Birthday to Pete and thanks for the memories at the Pala

Date: Sun, November 30, 2008, 07:19:13 ET
Posted by: Fezzie, boston

Another birthday for Pete,It must be tough being 29 every year!!!BEST WISHES YOUR FOGELNESS...Fezzie

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 18:10:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

He's a good man and quite possibly, along with Libby, the saviour of Steely Dan.

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 15:39:47 ET
Posted by: DF,

********************PETE FOGEL IS THE BEST!!!!*********************

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 15:08:29 ET
Posted by: The low fat milk, The fine no cal sweetener

Re: The Product 19 question on Jeopardy. I always wondered if Kelloggs ever tried getting the rights to the song for commercials.

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 11:43:04 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison & asking for another big favor

One last favor, anyone have the setlist to the "Art Crimes" 1996 tour, at the Meadows in Hartford on 27 JUL 96? Great show BTW! Thanks a lot everyone.

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 09:53:34 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, back from the Borgata

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PETE FOGEL!

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 09:36:56 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell, NJ

Thanksgiving night and there I was with mike in hand, DO IT AGAIN on guitar hero.Nephew Henry on guitar ,Stewart on drums----We brought the house DOWN!!!!

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 09:17:19 ET
Posted by: The Healer,

Yeah, Raj - done the divorce thing. But I still defend her against third party insults ! And whaddya know - me, Don and Walt stayed golden throughout . . .

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 08:36:24 ET
Posted by: Who is Chan, Where is Boston

Thanks for taking the time to post that Stevee.

Perhaps Trebek is pandering for inclusion in the next Steely Dan / Fagen / Becker recording to match Door Number Two's Mr. Barker.

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 00:41:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Way to go the extra mile, Stevee. Much appreciated.

I guess I should despise that weasel Trebeck a tad less, tonight.

Date: Sat, November 29, 2008, 00:33:31 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Post-trip-to-fan

I was watching Jeopardy tonight. Much to my surprise, when the Double Jeopardy round began, all of the categories were Steely Dan related !!!

Since this is a long weekend ... I decided to transcribe the clues which were either Steely Dan related or interesting to me ...

Enjoy ...


Steely Dan on Jeopardy – Friday November 28, 2008

The Double Jeopardy Categories:
STEELY DAN
HEY 19
REELIN' IN THE YEARS
PRETZEL LOGIC
DEACON BLUES
"F.M."

F.M. $400 – It sends & receives copies of printed material over phone lines.
What is a fax machine ?

STEELY DAN $400 – Before breaking up in 1981, Steely Dan released an album named for this kind of South American cowboy.
What is a Gaucho ?

STEELY DAN $800 – Steely Dan’s highest-charting song told this title woman "Don’t lose that number".
Who is Rikki ?

REELIN' IN THE YEARS $400 (Daily Double) – It's the year of the quote "Not since Adam has any human known such solitude as Mike Collins".
What is 1969 (man’s landing on the moon ... Collins was in the orbiter).

HEY 19 $400 – Sodom & Gomorrah are destroyed in Chapter 19 of this Biblical book.
What is Genesis ?

REELIN' IN THE YEARS $800 – The battles of Saratoga & Bennington were in this year, not the title of a musical.
What is 1777 ?

REELIN' IN THE YEARS $1,200 – William McKinley & Queen Victoria died in this year.
What is 1901 ?

REELIN' IN THE YEARS $1,600 – South Carolina seceded from the union in this year.
What is 1860 ?

REELIN' IN THE YEARS $2,000 – Year in which Marcos fled the Philippines, Baby Doc Duvalier fled Haiti & hundreds of thousands fled Chernobyl.
What is 1986 ?

STEELY DAN $1,200 – This Dire Straits guitarist played a guitar solo on The Steely Dan hit "Time Out Of Mind".
Who is Mark Knofler ?

STEELY DAN $1,600 – (Name) one of the two leaders of the band who met at Bard College in New York.
Who is Donald Fagen or Walter Becker ?
(The contestant who answered first said "Donald Feldman", the second said "Fagen".)
("Donald Fagen ... and Walter Becker was the other one" said Alex Trebeck.)

HEY 19 $800 – 19 is the legal drinking age in 7 of the 10 Canadian Provinces, including this most populous one.
What is Ontario ?

HEY 19 $1,200 – This Kellogg’s cereal introduced in the 1960s combines toasted corn, oats, wheat & rice.
What is Product 19 ?

HEY 19 $1,600 – She was queen of France for 19 years, from 1774 to 1793.
Who is Marie Antoinette ?

HEY 19 $2,000 – At age 19 in 1892, this Russian pianist wrote his "prelude In C-Sharp Minor", which helped launch his career.
Who is Sergei Rachmaninoff ?

DEACON BLUES $1,600 – The oldest chronicle of this city was compiled by John The Deacon, Chaplain to the Doge.
What is Venice, Italy ?

PRETZEL LOGIC $400 – By definition, a "baldie" is a pretzel without this.
What is salt ?

PRETZEL LOGIC $800 – Hold "fast" – pretzels have deep spiritual meaning in this 40-day Catholic season.
What is Lent ?

STEELY DAN $2,000 – The name Steely Dan comes from this William S. Burroughs novel.
What is Naked Lunch ?

PRETZEL LOGIC $2,000 – The pretzel type of this sweet treat holder is a Philadelphia tradition.
What is an ice cream cone ?

PRETZEL LOGIC $1,600 – The Latin term for pretzels is brachiola or "little" these.
What is little arms ?

PRETZEL LOGIC $1,200 - "These pretzels are making me thirsty" was a line from a classic episode of this '90s sitcom.
What is Seinfeld ?

"F.M." $800 – If a football tackler grabs & twists this, the penalty is 15 yards.
What is a facemask ?

"F.M." $1,200, $1,600, and $2,000 clues were left unanswered because time ran out.

I don't believe I actually took the time to type all of this stuff out. But I did ... so ... how 'bout some ...


S H A M E L E S S P L U G G I N G ???
OK, glad you asked. (Hoops - this is clearly all about me and my band ...)

Are you in or near Southern California ? Do ya wanna be ???
Well, ... if you are, next Friday night, December 5th, 2008 ...

PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE PLAYS AT SPAGHETTINI IN SEAL BEACH, CALIFORNIA AT 8:00 PM

We all invite you all to attend if you wish. Need more details ? Please visit us at www.pretzellogicband.com. Rajah, I wish you were still in town ... oh well.

I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving.


SteveeDan
(It's been so long since I plugged anything here that I almost forgot how ... the operative term was ... almost ... ha ha ...)

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 22:32:00 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, Catching up

A belated Happy Thanksgiving to all my Dan friends and family!

Big Fan, I take it from your post that you will be at Maple Tree Cafe on 12/13? If so, save me a seat and I'll see you there!

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 21:56:09 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

i thought - Strange coincidence that you mentioned that "folkie" aspect to the early stuff. I was just reading a short interview with Walter Becker in Vintage Guitar magazine and he's asked about the setlists for the current tours. His reply was something like, "We stick to the tried and true, not doing too much of the folk-rock type of thing from the early days".

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 21:28:46 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Thanks Josey. I know there are some hardcore Dan fans out there and I've scoured the web trying to find those specific setlists. I love this site, great stuff.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 21:10:37 ET
Posted by: Josey, Seeking truth in the bottom of a bottle

Otilop - I remember they opened up with "Doctor Wu" and, oddly enough, they played it again as the first encore. Kulee Baba...a few others... Everyone kept screaming for "PEG" but they held firm and never gave in to that one.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 21:03:22 ET
Posted by: Not Confused,

Chris identifies with the best SD era....

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 20:57:28 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, state of shock

They've made it. I mean they've really made it-
On tonights episode of the classic game show Jeopardy, you know the one with Alex Trebek, the Double Jeopardy round was all SD. The categories included Steely Dan -for $1800-"Name one of the two members that met at Bard College" For $2000-"What is the name of the book that the band got their name from?" The other categories were Hey 19-every question had the #19 in it or related to a 19th century person/event. Deacon Blues, FM, Reelin' In The Years were a few other categories. I stumbled on the show near the end and a couple of the categories were finished. Couldn't tell you the SD tune title that headed those couple.
I kid you not. Anyone on the west coast reading this has a chance to catch it later.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 20:30:41 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Going way out on a limb here, but would anyone know the setlists from the SD show from 8/24/06 @ The Dodge Music Center or the 5/18/07 show from the Chevy Theatre? Thanks!

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 17:10:27 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Funny, a friend of mine put on CBAT the other night and I spent the entire time drunkenly complaining about how much the record sucks when you compare it to the rest of the Steely Dan library. Of course all in all its a solid debut, but its the Royal Scam/Aja/Gaucho era that I most identify with. I do like Do It Again, Reelin, Fire in the Hole, and Only a Fool Would Say that. The rest I could really do without, especially the tracks that David Palmer sings (is that the rest of them? I don't even know off the top of my head). I always thought CTE was 10 times better.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 14:55:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Well, ya know, the really great thing about being a SNOB is that there's a never ending font of other people to look down upon.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 13:45:27 ET
Posted by: i thought...,

Dirty Work was a deep Eagles cut. Sounds like a young Glenn Frey on vocals. I found out 10 or 15 years later, Steely Dan. WTF I said. It couldn't be. Who'd have thought?

Or maybe some song from The Band.

Steely Dan had a country and western or folkie flavor on a number of its tunes that kind of disappeared after Katy Lied.

And like it or not, that is the TRUTH.

An irrefutable fact that even that Confused fellow, and the rest of the snobs on the Blue will have to accept.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 09:53:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Oh yeah, up until the point when you decide to ditch your partner, then you maximize any tiny fault. Ever been divorced, buddy?

Yes, of course I get your larger point, I simply hate it when anyone but me derides Steely Dan.

When I do it, it's haute criticism.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 09:23:57 ET
Posted by: The Healer,

C'mon - you're usually quite sharp !

" Out of love you instinctively overlook or minimise any little faults in your partner"

That's the nub of the analogy - not that we share a bed with the boys !!!!!

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 09:12:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Healer, your premise is flawed. We're not married to Steely Dan. They're just a rock band, an entertaining diversion. One we love, surely, but whom we do not really know, we don't live with them, sleep with them, have children with them or share a life with them.

Nice reach but...no...completely out of bounds.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 08:03:39 ET
Posted by: Milk, And Honey

Anyone seen Milk yet? I'm wondering if there's any SD to be heard in it.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 07:41:19 ET
Posted by: The Healer,

Here's a recurring theme : someone posts slightly negative comments about SD on a message board dedicated to hard core fans of SD. It doesn't get a very good response so the negative poster rants on about the SD fans being intolerant, closed minded musical Nazis. Anyone see anything wrong with this picture ?

Most people on here feel that SD has had a profound effect on their lives – it's a long term relationship, like marriage. Out of love you instinctively overlook or minimise any little faults in your partner. They just aren't significant in comparison to the big picture.

So some random guy in a bar walks up to you and the wife you adore and tells you that she has put on weight and has poor dress sense. This guy now expects you to debate the issue reasonably and open mindedly. Who's crazy here ? And who is most likely to end up crawling away with a Budweiser bottle poking out of his ass ?

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 01:57:29 ET
Posted by: Tony Soprano,

I sing along to Dirty Work on the radio while driving down the Golden State Parkway the second last season of the series.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 01:52:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

The story of Dirty Work being a radio hit is of interest, I think. It was not a single but AOR FM radio stations picked up on it in early 1973 shortly after the unexpected success of Do It Again and Reelin in the Years. It was the classic example of a deep cut, something that has long ago ceased to exist on radio or anywhere else. And for years I really didn't know it was Steely Dan simply because David Palmer's voice had nothing in common with Donald's, the true voice of Steely Dan and a voice so very different from the rest of the singers of the time. A whiny thread of sound but so very particular and expressive.

Here in Italy we still hear Dirty Work on radio, we hear Nightfly, New Frontier, and we especially hear Haitiian Divorce. Walter's work on the talk box really resonated with the Sergio Leone Spaghetti Western soundtracks of a certain great Italian composer who I've mentioned probably too oft.

Date: Fri, November 28, 2008, 01:35:04 ET
Posted by: suedave, stuffed

Happy Thanksgiving all!

On the way home from the big meal, not the big deal meal, I was listening to my local classic rock station - they played three SD tunes in a row. And all were from CBAT.

1. Dirty Work
2. Do It Again
3. Reelin' in the Years

While the last two are common SD tunes to hear on the radio, I was a bit surprised to hear Dirty Work. I don't remember it ever being a 'single'. I don't remember it getting a lot of airplay. Yet I know it's managed to sneak into the crevices of peoples subconscious since I've heard people sing along to it (not at SD shows). Has it been featured in a TV show? In a soundtrack to a movie besides Me, Myself & Irene? Popularized in a reality show?

I looked up what other SD songs they play, here's the remaining list in more or less the order they were listed on the site (kzok.com).

4. Peg
5. H19
6. Josie
7. Aja
8. Deacon Blues
9. Bodhi
10. Kid C
11. Babylon Sisters
12. Rikki
13. Bad Sneakers
14. FM
15. Kings
16. Pretzel Logic
17. Barrytown

The last three are a bit of a surprise. No Chain Lightning, Dr. Wu, Daddy don't live...? Does anyone remember if those were those played as 'singles', hits, or deep tracks on the radio back in the day? Are these same songs played on your classic rock stations?

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 22:44:41 ET
Posted by: Lenny Kravitz,

I'm confused, so confused
And I've got to tell you something's wrong with my views, yeah
I'm confused, so confused
And I've got to tell you something's wrong with my views
I can't choose

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 21:57:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Fatland

Yup, it's GE. Pretty different look for GE, back then.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 21:48:24 ET
Posted by: ER?,

Dean - That's GE Smith on guitar. He was married to Gilda at that time.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 12:10:42 ET
Posted by: Fife, Still waiting, eh

Happy Turkey day all!

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 12:00:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Kitchen, cooking

After watching one of the Youtube videos linked earlier, where Elliot talks about an SNL skit, the video I posted my not be the same one. So, that might mot be ER. It certainly isn't the same guitar.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 11:49:22 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Kitchen, cooking

Happy Thanksgiving to all the Dan fans on the Blue.

Here, I believe, is the SNL piece Elliot Randall referred to in one of those links. Note: gratuitous Jagger-love, Paul Shaffer drumming and fake instrument smashing (except for ER, who makes sure to cradle his guitar)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMF7JrPHT74

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 10:50:22 ET
Posted by: Hey Furious White Female,

Confused said over all his posts that:

a. The people here are intolerant of anyone elses opinions.
b. They attack those who they don't agree with.
c. They are musical snobs who think they know more than all.


And you proved them all!


I think he was just trying to get some opinions about Dan, too bad you all attacked him.

Like you all do every time someone has something slightly negative to post.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 10:41:25 ET
Posted by: Thanksgiving Turkey,

This insightful comment proved Confused's whole point


Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 21:04:47 ET
Posted by: Furious White Female,


Uh, Confused--you nano-dick!

You can stick your Dildo award where the sun don't shine, homo.

And the B.S. you wrote about the Dean? We realize that he doesn't work and would probably be homeless if he didn't have to move in to take care of family, but to kick the man while he is down on his luck is way out of line. The Dean writes alot of good stuff and fills his days contributing to the Blue.

The facts are that YOU are a a misogynistic pig and a Steely know-nothing ne're do well. You don't know one tenth of what the average person in Dandom knows about Steely Dan. So don't pretend you came to the Blue seeking information. You're full of crap. You came on here with lame excuses of how the Foxwood show was bad with no insights to back it up. Your assertions themselves show your ignorance of all things Dan. Rather anyting Dan.

And to others, what is this B.S. about crushing dissenting opinions? This Confused joker hasn't even made a single declarative sentence about what he knows about Steely Dan other than personal attacks on Blue members and criticism of a concert that could be made about any band. This guy is a sad, sad case!!!!

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 09:46:23 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Gretchen - When you squeal once and then squeal again, the second squeal is the sequeal.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 09:43:15 ET
Posted by: Hutch, (Asshole Award Winner)

That's a great link to the ER guitars. Guess he's cleaning out the closets a bit. Can't imagine why he's parting with the Guild Starfire though, since it was one of his first "real" guitars. Plus, it's just a great old piece.

And I had no idea that Elliott Randall was in Sha Na Na!

Check it out.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5927672


I've been listening to some tracks from the Pet Sounds Sessions box set a friend loaned me. Amazing stuff. Lots of alternate takes, etc. "Wouldn't it Be Nice" with just vocals and no instruments... it just sends chills up your spine. Some fine close harmony.

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 09:20:47 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, "Ugly Chick"

Seems to be lots of drinking and posting here.....

And what's a "sequeal?" Someone needs to hone his spelling and grammatical skills before he takes on this community. Just my 2 cents.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!


G

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 08:40:48 ET
Posted by: Auction today, "Learn to play the saxo..." uh, one of Elliot's guitars

Six of Elliot Randall's guitars up for auction today. Bids start at $330:

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/search?q=steely+dan&org=yes

Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR7nnjUx_aM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfUEWmEYQTw

(Nope. I have no personal economic interest in the auction. Just got the links from another SD fan.)

Date: Thurs, November 27, 2008, 04:28:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

Ey-yea, might rain later...

"Most people on here ain't too clever?" Are you kidding me, we're too clever by half. So confident in our intelligence that it annoys the HELL out of other people.

Our cross to bear (bare?) I'm afraid.

On with the show.

E viva.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 21:10:07 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home

So...., how 'bout that weather, eh?

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 21:07:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Did I win something?

Outfuckingstanding!

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 21:05:10 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @home

http://www.steelydan.com/remember.html

Some interesting stories and more confirmation that Dias' split was amicable, unlike some others.

KC

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 21:04:47 ET
Posted by: Furious White Female,

Uh, Confused--you nano-dick!

You can stick your Dildo award where the sun don't shine, homo.

And the B.S. you wrote about the Dean? We realize that he doesn't work and would probably be homeless if he didn't have to move in to take care of family, but to kick the man while he is down on his luck is way out of line. The Dean writes alot of good stuff and fills his days contributing to the Blue.

The facts are that YOU are a a misogynistic pig and a Steely know-nothing ne're do well. You don't know one tenth of what the average person in Dandom knows about Steely Dan. So don't pretend you came to the Blue seeking information. You're full of crap. You came on here with lame excuses of how the Foxwood show was bad with no insights to back it up. Your assertions themselves show your ignorance of all things Dan. Rather anyting Dan.

And to others, what is this B.S. about crushing dissenting opinions? This Confused joker hasn't even made a single declarative sentence about what he knows about Steely Dan other than personal attacks on Blue members and criticism of a concert that could be made about any band. This guy is a sad, sad case!!!!

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 20:42:11 ET
Posted by: To Dan Fan ,

Dan Fan - We know who you are:


You are one of the persons Confused wrote about in his Number 2 post,and you just confirmed it with your post below.


Captain Obvious

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 20:37:23 ET
Posted by: HUH?,

Rajsah posts -

"My-oh-my what a fuss. I admire Confused's balls in taking on Dandom. We need more like him. Brave soul that he is, however, he probably didn't calculate the toughness of the Blue.

Plenty tough. "


It's a fucking bulletin board. A "war" of words?? Most people here arent to clever.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 20:31:54 ET
Posted by: Dan Fan, Wiki

Confused - I know who you are!

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 20:27:39 ET
Posted by: Mike P,

Thanks Steelydoc!

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 19:20:32 ET
Posted by: Fezzie, boston

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the academy for this distinguished award,to be rectally recognized by such an academic as Confusion has been one of the highlights of my life.Here's hoping that other dear friends who are up for the golden dildo find themselves in the same position i find myself in today....Fezzie

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 17:56:22 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

My-oh-my what a fuss. I admire Confused's balls in taking on Dandom. We need more like him. Brave soul that he is, however, he probably didn't calculate the toughness of the Blue.

Plenty tough.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 14:10:47 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell, NJ

I have been drinking in this verbal pissing contest.And as a non casual fan of STEELY DAN for 32 years I could only respond " ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THAT"( For all of you casual fans out there that is a Steely Dan song!!!)

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 13:59:57 ET
Posted by: Air Force One,

Big Fan - You are another big f-ing idiot. Fly low fool.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 13:18:23 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, back from the Borgata

Mike P...think it was Duke Ellington on DF's Rhodes...sinilar to this pic:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J1imsb4hL._SL500_AA280_.jpg


and King Tubby on WBs amp:

http://mog.com/burninghammer00/blog/70418

these were mentioned long ago at the beginning of the summer....

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 13:06:24 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, Happy F****** Thanksgiving

Wow I didn't make any lists but my IQ is at least a hundred points lower after reading the posts from the last few days.

Setlits - a touchy subject - I think they play too many hits, most of the other people at the concerts think they play too many - nobody wins.

All right so off topic:

Show Biz Kids is playing at the Maple Tree Cafe in Simsbury, CT again on Saturday Dec 13. I believe they have a Myspace page. It would be great of Gary Blu played sax for them again.

http://www.mapletreecafe.com/mtc-sche.htm

BTW for those of you in tune with such things look for the recent Borgata show online.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 12:32:20 ET
Posted by: SF Dan Fan, San Francisco

Mike P & Gus W.

Are you guys talking about the wrap around thing at the front of Don's keyboard?

It looked purplish to me and it looked like it was a velvet material.

Are we talking about the same thing?

Happy Thanksgiving to all the Danster's on the DanDom! I may want to hear Rikki, Reelin and Do it at the shows, but first and foremost, I'm a Dan Fan, much to my wife's chagrin.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 11:52:24 ET
Posted by: Confused , right on #2 and the next few lines

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 11:30:26 ET
Posted by: dream police, up

"2. There are a small group of musical snobs, jerks, and ppeople that really need a life. If you have an opinion different than them, you are an idiot, a casual fan, and you know nothing."


True Dat

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 10:48:34 ET
Posted by: Shaggy,

re: Dias......thanks Kid Clean

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 09:11:08 ET
Posted by: Fife. eh, Waiting anxiously for her Golden Dildo Award

Chan you out did yourself this year! Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 09:00:29 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, @work

Shaggy - Re: Dias, I'm not sure of his current job status but he has done several walk-ons at Dan shows in the LA area, so I doubt there was a falling out.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 08:56:28 ET
Posted by: HouDanFan, Houston

Wasn't it Donald that said sites like this can be a bit "creepy".

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 08:32:02 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston

Here is a slightly different version of last years Thanksgiving wish. Its been a tough year for many of us, but tomorrow lets all think about the many blessings we have to be thankful for.


Thanks Giving (think Chain Lightning)

Cel-e-brate with the Chanman
Eat turkey and berries cran
Help Amy and wash the pan
Background tunes by Steely Dan
Have your veggie’s like you should
Yes it’s Thanksgiving
It taste’s so good

Try my stuffing if you dare
Use your fingers we don’t care
Eat slowly then leave your chair
Take a walk for clean fresh air
Peace to Dandom neighborhood
Cause it’s Thanksgiving
You all be good!!!

Chan

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 08:27:08 ET
Posted by: Scratching my head,

Furious White Female said

"Your knowledge of Steely Dan is less than amateur!!! "

are there professionals?


You kind of lose some street cred with that kind of statement.

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 08:14:53 ET
Posted by: Confused,

WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PLACE - THE SEQUEAL

1. There are some really nice people with good opinions that are willing to share theirs, good and bad, and debate the merits of both. I originally came in, knowing what i'd get if i responded negatively to an SD concert. that was my opinion. To those who gave me some insight on that THANK YOU! and Happy Thanksgiving to you!

2. There are a small group of musical snobs, jerks, and ppeople that really need a life. If you have an opinion different than them, you are an idiot, a casual fan, and you know nothing. to those fols i offer the following awards:

THE ASSHOLE OF THE UNIVERSE AWARD - "The Dean" - take a bow dude.
your long and totally boring diatribes on here are nonesense and dribble.You sont own this site, you barely contribute anything to it of any intelligent value. But you judge everyone and you posted anonymously to me 3 times. Why not use your handle?

Policeman of the Year - To "Greg M"for telling everyone to ignore me or any of the ideas i brought up. Obviously Greggie doesnt want anyone to rock his little queerbate boat

Mr Moderater - I think I Pissed my Pants Award - "Hoops"- who feels the need like Greg M to determine for everyone, what the people on this site should think.

Just Plain Asshole Award - (tie) to:
Hutch
Shaggy
Fezzie
for not being able to come up with an original thought, but not accepting the fact that others might have one.

Thanks to all my whores too, besides needing sex therapy and self esteem, of which you must have none, you could also use a doze of accepting someone elses opinion. Yours isnt the only one. So to you all i give you the :

Golden Dildo Award -
Janie Runaway
Gretchen
Annie
Forward Girl
Fife
Furious White Female

May you use in in the hopes that you will have 1/2 the amount of "action" that i saw at that crapppy SD concert in Foxwoods
On second thought, maybe ugly chicks need love too.

Strike the above award.



And now, like Springer, i offer my "Final Thoughts"

"don't take life so seriously, be open minded. Sites like these are to encourage lively discussion. How boring does it get if everyone has the same damn opinion. How do you learn anything new? how do you see a different perspective? the Nazi's tried it in 1940, and see where it got them? live a little and lighten the Fuck up


Signing off....Confused

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 08:14:17 ET
Posted by: Craig B,

Gayle in San Diego
I agree Soboba was great...and I was sober!

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 07:55:38 ET
Posted by: Confused,

WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PLACE

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 07:45:23 ET
Posted by: Confused, To Furious White Female

"White" female? are you a racist AND a whore?

You obviously think you are better than everyone so you are arrogant too.

~sniff sniff~ I smell something too... you ought to try FDS hunny

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 01:34:56 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Mike P,

After the Berkeley show I got a photo of the Rhodes just before the crew rolled it away. The only person I recognize with reasonable certainty is Duke Ellington. It may be a famous image, but my knowledge of that era of Jazz is minimal so I can't say. Someone else may have posted the answers you seek during the summer. In any case I would be happy to send you a copy; just e-mail me. It might take a little time as the cable modem is slow at the moment which is often associated with a total dropout for extended periods.

GW

Date: Wed, November 26, 2008, 01:02:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

I'm holding things at arm's length but I have to remind everyone:

The more you respond to those purposely picking fights or calling people "ho's", etc, the worse you make it, the bigger the fight gets. Ignoring or, if you really must, keeping your comments very brief almost always makes the "problem thread" go away. The more energy you feed something, the bigger it gets.

Walter and Donald have always had higher standards of humor than cheap name calling. Too bad the same can't be said for more than a few of their fans.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Jim

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 23:36:42 ET
Posted by: Furious White Female,

Listen, Confused (scum of the earth)

We don't like being called ho's!! If we are into Donald, it's our choice so what you say doesn't count. And what is this B.S that you think that YOU are all that?

Your knowledge of Steely Dan is less than amateur!!!

By your language and personal attacks it shows that you are of the least common denominator and you have no redeeming social value. If you had come onto this board somewhat humbled, you might have learned something. So go back to the rock you crawled out from under, you, you LOWLIFE!!!! We don't need you kind in Dandom. You are unworthy, sir!!

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 22:48:54 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

Margaret,We all understand your circumstances,and living in your mom's basement and having a job setting up the next phase of your life is a little different than living "in a van down by the river" you are an intellegent and "semi-gorgeous" female!! lol,in search of your future.In time,that future will present itself and you will become the woman you are meant to be.As alway's our support and love will be at your side.Mr.or Mrs confusion has a totally different problem.He or she states he or she may be older than me!!if thats the case then there is no hope or help for he or she. Confusion needs to get a grip,accept the fact that he or she seeks approval through the positive assessment of others,then rectify that issue when exposed by addressing it honestly......Fezzie

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 22:22:32 ET
Posted by: Greg M, hahah

well, folks, we have a troll.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 22:13:49 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, My mom's basement

Fezzie, what's wrong with living in your mom's basement??? How else can I afford to see Steely Dan?! :)

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 21:38:37 ET
Posted by: Chan, Boston

Back off Confused.

I may be easy but I'm no whore!

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 21:37:55 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

I rest my case,nothing more needs to be said to this troubled person...fezzie

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 21:28:13 ET
Posted by: Confused,

I called the MEN whores too.. you all are. whores to your band. Read my posts idiots

as to Fezzies comments, im not a kid, im probably older than you douche bag... maybe you should read all my posts asswipe

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 20:58:19 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Fife,

I'd ignore these idiots, if I were you. I'm sorry I took the time to respond to his/her post. At first I gave the poster some credit for just having a different opinion (and some shit for thinking they weren't simply a casual fan).

But, whoever it is clearly has no respect for SD, or the community here. Calling you and the other wonderful women who enjoy The Dan, names like "whore", shows how little class this poster has.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 20:58:06 ET
Posted by: Fezzie, boston

Well Confused,It took awhile but you finally exposed yourself for what you are!!! A young turdhead looking to create as much havoc as possible and giggling about how much you think you have fooled those older and wiser than yourself.What you need son is alot more life experience,it appears you suffer from a serious case of inferiority and social dis-orders to numerous to detail here.Grow up!!! Move out of your mom's basement!!Expand your horizon's to include meaningful communication face to face with those of your kind.Accept your faults and strive to improve as a person when you make the mistakes that we all make.Take it from someone who has made them all,life is so much more livible when you can look yourself in the mirror and say,today i helped a turdhead!!!i hope this helps you......fezzie

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 20:53:28 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Confused,
I'm getting pretty tired of being called a whore. When did it become a nasty thing to enjoy wonderful music and admire the musicians that wrote it? No matter the band or the artist there will be women and men that have "crushes" on that artist. Your not naive enough to think Peter Gabriel hasn't a female following are you? I thought most of the responses to your post were trying to encourage you to give a Steely Dan concert another chance. Your wife must like nasty, no wonder she has no interest in Donald.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 20:21:27 ET
Posted by: Mike P.,

ANYONE???

What were the black and white photos on the front of Don's Rhodes and Walter's amp?

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 20:12:24 ET
Posted by: Confused - and , Laughing at some of you

I honestly dont care what any of you think about me or my comments.

I understand fan sites like this. All the girls are whores for their band members, all the men are whores for their band members.

At least i have the balls to post with the same handle.

Enjoy your lives. i'm done. I wanted some information on the band. I got it. thanks to those who offered answers to my questions.

For the record, to the douche bag who said Joe Jackson was my top 3 bands, i never said that asswipe. i said they were one of three i had never seen along with SD and possible U2, tho i dont really like U2 much. Sometimes, i want to see the bands show. Ever see Peter Gabriel? Besides being a real "genious" he plays songs his fans want to hear and he and his stellar band besides playing "tight" as you all like to bring up. And they vary their set list to make it interesting. Ive seen plenty of jazz bands also and most of them were better than the crap I saw at Foxwoods.

And finally, to the poster that said if Donald was an ordinary guy, you are right on bro! My wife said he was uglt, but hey she got me dudes, and when you got the best, you get spoiled.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 19:49:44 ET
Posted by: Gayle, San Diego

Soboba was a fine show, don't get me wrong.

And there was the bonus of two sets instead of one.

But why did Danizens in attendance like Soboba so much? WE GOT THE BOOZE WE NEED.

There were much better shows for sure, but it was wild as a party can get. THREE WORDS!

BOOZE! BOOZE! BOOZE!

Too bad my BFF didn't enjoy it as much. Some trashed guy lost it and vomited on her purse during the second set. It's pathetic when Steely Dan fans can't handle their liquor. Then again, maybe the jerk wasn't a fan. Maybe he was just confused as hell not to hear Rikki played. Oh, and it was like 120 degrees out.

So that was the scene at Soboba. Wild but not a definitive Steely Dan show.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 19:44:32 ET
Posted by: I bet if , Donald

Was just your average guy who works in an office,stopped in a bar for a couple of drinks,none of you would pay any attention to him right ladies.The truth admit it and you know it.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 18:57:47 ET
Posted by: Confused, you gotta get out more,

Foxwoods SD show not happening enough for you Confused? I understand. But for those who know, who witnessed the SD Show of all Shows, there is The One show that took place on July 17, 2007. For those who speak about it in Reverence to this day, it goes without saying. You would not have left that show Confused, but Happy!

I have but three words for YOU:
























SOBOBA! SOBOBA! SOBOBA!

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 18:15:59 ET
Posted by: Forward Girl,

Oh my. Neither here nor there, and probably a little late in the argument at this point, but I can't help but throw in my lusty little two cents - add me to the 'Fagen is yummy' side of the ledger, please.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 18:04:42 ET
Posted by: Jethro Jackson,

Confused BUNGLED in the Blue JUNGLE.

He is LIVING IN THE PAST by not giving the newer stuff a chance.

The Dean wasted his LOCOMOTIVE BREATH by over-analysing Confused's drivel since Confused seems to be THICK AS A BRICK and won't listen to reason.

Confused can't be all bad, though.

One of his Top 3 bands is JOE JACKSONNNNNN!!! (I'm down wit ya, bro'!)

And while the truth is that Fagen, musical genius that he is seldom LOOKS SHARP!, the Blue females think he is KINDA KUTE. Don't you know that it's DIFFERENT FOR GIRLS?

And if you get to a JOE JACKSON show, it is ALL about the music, Joe ticklin the ivories and Graham Mabey or someone accompanying. He sits at the piano the whole show. Non-animated. Just a fine "Concerto".

Why then is it so bad when the Dan does just that? Walt is at least standing or walking about. You are inconsistent on that point.

Confused, in summation:

YOU CAN'T GET WHAT YOU WANT, TILL YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT!

It's always somethin' BREAKIN' US IN TWO....

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 16:32:42 ET
Posted by: Annie,

Confused/Concerned/Conspicuously/Contrived/&/Condescending writes:


"I was totally disappointed that Becker doesn’t play lead guitar, I expected he did."

You deserve to be disappointed. If you had any clue at all, you would know that Walter doesn't play lead on most of the studio songs.


"I didnt "wait for comp tickets to see them" they haven't to my knowledge. played anywhere near where i live."

Well, you conveniently never said where you live, but Steely Dan has toured the U.S. eight times since 1993. Considering your claim to have seen over 150 concerts, which would indicate you live in or near a viable market, I can't imagine Steely Dan has never "played anywhere near where you live".


You say Fagen is "tough on the eyes" (one of your more mild descriptions). This just proves that you have no idea what women find attractive. And besides that, what does it matter to you?


"SD is a greeat studio band, but they suck in concert. That is the bottom line. im not saying any of the musicians suck, im saying the, as a band, dont do anything for thier fans."

This coming from someone who saw "one of only 3 bands left I want to see before I die" exactly one time. No one is denying that you saw a sub-par-by-Steely-Dan-definitions concert. Many people who have been to many shows agreed that Foxwoods was not the best show. But to say that they "suck in concert" and "don't do anything for their fans" proves that either (A) you are an idiot, (B) you came here looking for a fight, or (C) both.

I say (C)

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 15:46:27 ET
Posted by: Shaggy,

"Confused" is wasting everyones time. Based on his complaints,
-they suck in concert
-the set list is lame
-Donalds looks/appearance
he has proven himself to be a fraud. It's fine to have your own opinion, but his posts appear to be confrontational or even mean spirited. He would most likely feel more at home visiting a Meatloaf or Air Supply forum.

Does anyone know whatever happened to Denny Dias? I heard he's a computer programmer in LA but have heard nothing else. Does he still perform publicly?
Given his incredible talent and all his solos that can be heard on some of SDs best material, I'm surprised you don't hear more from him. Did Denny have a falling out with Donald and Walter?

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 13:25:36 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando

Couple of thoughts re the current controversy ignited by Confused.

As to the substance of his complaints, I would say it depends on what you are looking for. Me personally I go to SD shows not expecting or even wanting to hear a particular song, or group of songs. I go because I think the music is really good and when they play 15 songs, give or take, I figure to be happy to hear them all and really happy at a particular group of them. In other words, I judge it based on the whole experience of going to the show, not measuring it by some expectation.

Also, in my experience some shows are indeed better than others. I saw them twice in Tampa at the St Pete Times forum and was eh, because of the acoustics, but still enjoyed myself. At the Amphitheater it was still eh because of the acoustics. This year in the small confines of Ruth Eckerd it was the best show I'd seen them do precisely becaus ethe acoustics were great and I really liked the new arrangements of some standards, such as Show Biz Kids.

As to the way in which he is complaining, first, he has a point that people on a site like this, which is by definition a forum for the more rabid fans, then he is going to get grief for complaining. However, I have to wonder why if he expects that he does it anyway, especially in such strident tones. Methinks all things considered that he wanted to pick a fight and got one and so there you go. I am struggling to understand why he cares what the more rabid fans think of his opinions, since he knows that his tenor is going to incite nastiness in response.

In conclusion, I would personally like to say that I disagree with your take on things, Confused, and would ask that you elaborate on what you would have liked to have seen/heard versus what you got. Not that it makes any difference for next tour, but hey its always a topic of discussion on here whether they will mix up the songs or the players.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 13:22:55 ET
Posted by: Rajah,

When dissenting voices on this board disappear, the Blue disappears.

Mean spiritedness and vendetta are quite another matter, however.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 12:49:21 ET
Posted by: Mule, Philly

So, why not chime in? Confused's first post was legitimate. I can see how your average concertgoer might not appreciate the deeper cuts played this tour. As a matter of fact, I own all of Don and Walt's albums and after seeing a bunch of shows in 08, and about a dozen over the last few years, I never need to hear New Frontier, I Got the News, Gaucho, Parker's Band, Godwhacker, or Green Earrings live again. I am way partial to the first 6 albums. I can understand being disappointed in the setlist. But to say that "the girls don't add to the show" or "Steely Dan sucks live", now that's just fucking stupid. All Confused's credibility is lost with those two statements alone.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 12:12:00 ET
Posted by: :I,

So? Let him voice his opinion. It doesn't speak well of SD when they've become so downgraded that people are walking out of their concerts mid-show or dozing off, as Confused described. That means that they're turning people off to their music and I don't like the sound of that.

All you Blue members can do is bitch, mock and try to attack someone's character whenever they don't conform to your standards. I've seen it done here countless times. In fairness, he should've known what he was getting into by choosing this specific board to state his opinion, but you Blue people have proven without a shadow of a doubt that you can't take criticism even when it's not directed at you. You seem to forget that as an art form, music is open to subjectivity -- it isn't a fixed, constant thing, and not everyone is viewing things from your perspective. If you expect conformity, you're just ignorant. Get real.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 11:32:13 ET
Posted by: Hey confused...,

Dearest Confused,
I would love to pay you to sit through another Steely Dan concert.

What is your rate for sitting through a whole concert?

Maybe I'll even pay for you to complain after.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 10:23:00 ET
Posted by: Again, lofgic enters the foray

Hey, you people can't complain if that's Confused's perception of this place. After all, you've done such a knockout job presenting yourselves in such a negative light, hence why so few people post here on a regular basis.

Confused, people in showbusiness can sometimes be snobs, Donald included, at least on the surface. But that doesn't mean that they're not nice people as a whole. Some people just prefer to do things their way or the highway. (If you were a band leader, would you not do the same?) Others just don't want to be bothered outside of their profession. Ah well.

Nevertheless, you're right about their studio work being far superior to their live performance. That's also because Don and Walt are geniuses in the studio. Works well in my book.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 10:09:07 ET
Posted by: Vondar Totali,

Confused
We are snobs and cannot tolerate misspeeled woorrddss

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 09:37:54 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

This is an old argument but Rikki / Reelin’ in the Years / Do It Again are the songs so many people REALLY want to hear and although I couldn’t really care less about hearing them live, there is something to be said for the energy that fills a concert venue when a band plays the song or songs that people expect and want to hear. Not everyone who attends a concert knows the “deeper” cuts but I’m guessing that everyone DOES want to have a good time. I love this band and love seeing them live but it pains me to see people walk out, which they do at every show, because they aren’t getting what they expected, and, unlike Confused, probably had NO idea what the set list would be before they bought tickets. If only "true" fans bought concert tickets, most bands would be playing much, much smaller venues, in my opinion.

Yes, a band can essentially do what they want but I do think it would be nice to hear at least one of these songs, once is a while, if for no other reason than to see the crowd go wild and leave happy!

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 09:37:21 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Okay Confused, you've made your opinion known...

Steely Dan sucks live.

Donald is an egotistical bastard.

People on the Blue are snobs.

The backup singers have no talent.

Oh, and also... "They don't do anything for their fans".

So I supposed that sums up all your complaints.

We can move on now I guess huh?

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 07:26:29 ET
Posted by: Confused, To My 2 Cents

Thanks for your comments. It was that type of insight i came here seeking.

As for the Dean or anyone else who flamed me, i fully expect that from some at a website like this. Every fan site has musical SNOBS who think they know more than anyone else. They talk about music like they are the only ones who know anything. and because they are blinded by their band, any differing opinions as to the quality of the musicians, the production ,the musicality is met with vicious(as much as you can in words) attack. I laugh at their idiocy for the most part. The moron who told me i shoud treat SD's music like a fine concerto with the "Reverence" it deserves.. i mean come on, it is guitars driums and horns.lol

SD is a greeat studio band, but they suck in concert. That is the bottom line. im not saying any of the musicians suck, im saying the, as a band, dont do anything for thier fans.The one loser who told me im "only a casual fan" points out, by his idiotic remark, that my opinion then shouldnt count. Others said i should just accept it becasue that is what Donald, aka GOD, wants, so Donald gets. All that shows me is donald is an egotistical snob as well. maybe that is why some of you like him so much

But ill still listen to their music, but i wouldnt sit through another concert if some one paid me.

And some of you STILL think "the girls" were good?? lol.

Date: Tues, November 25, 2008, 01:32:47 ET
Posted by: To Confused, from Yap

Although you have the right to your opinion about being let down from the set list, you can't really complain much seeing as it's been common knowledge exactly what songs they've been playing live with any frequency. You certainly have the right to express dissatisfaction with the overall sound, the atmosphere, the 'useless interruptions' such as the speech given by Walter during Kid C, etc. But no matter your opinion, instead of being reasonable, people here such as The Dean will break down your post sentence by sentence in an attempt to create the most unrelenting attack on you and your credibility, hence the constant -isms of casual vs real fan. You've gotta love how they lavish the boys with praise such as, "...every wonderful note [coming from Walter's guitar]." I mean, c'mon now. Walter isn't even a very good guitar player; he's much better as a bassist, but that's just me.

Just to state the obvious, they began as a pop/rock duo and mutated into a more jazz-oriented outfit. At 85 bucks or so a seat, I can understand your frustrations, but you cannot really complain about the setlists as they rarely play anything besides the usual suspects. And as for Dr Wu... forget it. They'll never play that song. Hey, it's probably best that they don't allow Weiskopf to rape it.

And as for who knows best, Don and Walt can make whatever decisions they want but, ultimately, it's up to the listener to judge what is good and what is not so good. I don't think everything they touch becomes golden. I do, however, consider the majority of their work, both duo and solo, to be of superior quality on pretty much every level. Hence why even giants like Burt Bacharach turn to them for inspiration. That, in my opinion, counts for more than any award they've ever received. Despite what others might think, I believe that their studio work far surpasses their live performances.

My 2 cents.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 23:16:47 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

Sex Therapist do you offer group rates? There's quite the group here that think Fagen's just fine, myself included.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 19:50:20 ET
Posted by: Sex Therapist , To Gretchen

You need help. Call me.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 19:48:13 ET
Posted by: Winner winner chicken dinner,

The reason they use session musicians on tour is to be able to change the band at will, whenever they care to.

Every session musician is a professional who can read and play music and play it "tight."

You people love to call the band "tight." Every professional band is "tight"

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 19:15:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!

Bob,

Not sure about the attacks on my post (lame?), but it seems as though you continue to misconstrue my position, and in this case, overstate your case based on what was said, so far, about Young and Weiskopf (and their respective replacements).

First of all, I have, in fact, argued that there are any number of players (drummers, bassists, sax players, etc) that can/will sound great with SD, and have never panicked/worried/obsessed about who might replace player X if the weren't going to be at a show. I recently remember arguing that IMO there were probably many drummers capable of kicking ass on Aja. The music is so great, and Don and Walt are such good judges of releasing only great sounding music, I assume we are hearing the best sounding takes (irrespective of the player) on the various cuts.

The difference between my position and yours seems to be this, I trust Don and Walt to make the decisions. I disagree that "SD NEEDS to change-up players" [emphasis mine]. I disagree that the current tour line up (with Walt and Young) was in any way substandard, or in NEED of a change. BTW, the comments made about their sub's performances certainly don't make your point. I think there was one comment (for each sub) that suggested that replacement was BETTER, or significantly better than the absent player. There were no comments, that I can remember, from those who went to multiple shows, suggesting THE BAND was BETTER with the subs than without.

So, where does that leave us? Well, I will say this. I think that, if you've seen the same group perform the same song, the same way, a number of time, any change (as long as involves quality playing and arrangement...and with SD that is a given) is probably more interesting at that time...at least for you, and probably for the band...at that time. Does that change work as well as the replaced version/player: for those who have never heard it from the band before? On a nightly basis? Dunno. Are the replacements who may be able to pull off the change, and make improvements all around: available to tour for the vast majority of dates? Reliable, decent humans, not assholes, affordable? Again, Dunno.

Now, I will say that when they make changes in the arrangements of songs from tour to tour (which they often do) I LOVE that. When they have guests sit in (rarely) I thing that is awesome.

So, go ahead and turn those remarks into some sort of statement that I am against changes, of any sort. The thing is, I trust Don and Walt's decisions implicitly. They have never let me down.

So, you will see me, on occasion, take on a poster who insists they MUST change the drummer/bassist/Weiskopf/etc. The idea that anyone here believes their judgment about what works best for Steely Dan to be better than Donald's and Walters is simply too arrogant to not be confronted, IMO.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 18:11:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, glad it's a short week.....

Donald is very appealing.........delicious, in fact.


G

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 17:58:12 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

CALVIN!!!!is that you brother!!!!!Fezzie

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 17:48:01 ET
Posted by: lol, liverpool uk

just a post about jim beard my wife and i came over from the uk and thanks to pete fogel we got into the bitter end and what a night it was after a great show at the beacon not knowing who jim was we talking to him at the bar then he was on the stage with the rest of the steely dan band was great lets hope 2009 brings plenty of hope and love and good cheer god bless lol and deb

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 17:00:55 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" The guy next to me slept the whole show; and I saw DOZENS of people leave, and not just from the free seats. I feel sorry for people who paid upwards of $85 for that. Bodhi, as you folks call it, is not a rock anthem, but they tried to make it one. Even Kid could have been lengthened, the "Cuervo Gold " speech was cheesy and didn’t add anything to the show whatsoever. Are they a jazz band, a rock band(Rock Hall of Fame), an easy listening band?? Did I expect too much?? "


OUCH !!!!!!!


...... you are HARSH !!!


J.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 16:56:12 ET
Posted by: mr belzoni, funway west

hey dan fans, the borgata show was great, had better seats than i managed to get at the larger sheds, setlist was much like camden '08, this show was better b/c of better seats that allowed me to see the fine guitar work, the awesome horns section, mr carlock and the lovely steely dan choir. I do think one of the better tours was the one that opened with the boston rag '01?, here's hoping that the next time they will change up the setlist and finally do the rag again, not to mention the great gold teeth and everyones fav doctor wu!! however my wife and i did note that we were some of the few who, last year(?) got to hear pixeleen live--love that number!! best to all of you ardent listeners Mr. B

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 16:07:09 ET
Posted by: SteveeDan, Los Angeles

Hi Rajah - -

This is the first time I have been back in here since I posted that last letter to you. So, ... you're in the old country ? Marvelous. Wish I were there. I need another junket way out of town.

Can you send me an e-mail ? Or hell, even give my your phone number, and I'll go buy one of those calling cards and use it all on you.

Say hello to our faithful piano artisan for me.

By the way, Jake, in our Pretzel Logic band (yes we still do exist), sent me an e-mail about Keith Jarrett being a real pain in the arse about people taking photos of him in concert. Search it in Youtube if you're curious. KJ has always been a self-absorbed head case ... but there is no doubting his incredible talent. But when you hire him for a concert, you have a whole host of things to deal with. We had him play at the UC Berkeley Jazz Festival back in 1980, and he was extremely difficult back then too. So this is nothing new.

Take care Rajah.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 15:52:35 ET
Posted by: Bob, Atlanta

Nice to see all the positive comments about Jim Beard...kinda makes my point (Raj & Dean, hope pens are poised...your previous responses were lame, at best)...SD needs to change-up players/tunes to keep the maximum interest alive for next year's tour (fingers crossed).

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 15:15:11 ET
Posted by: Web Search, keyboard

Review of Foxwoods show

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2008/11/23/go/3979828.txt


Note: Josie was not a top 3 single. But did hit #3 on the album charts.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 15:09:25 ET
Posted by: SF Dan fan, San Francisco

Driving in from Fresno last night around 10pm I'm hitting the seek button on the radio (ran through my CDs) and lo and behold, I hit a station starting to play Do It Again. About 45 minutes later getting closer to the Ray Area I find Reelin just starting and in Oakland around midnight I get Hey 19.

Confused, I agree with your feeling about Reelin and Rikki not being played. At the Berkeley show they played Do It Again as the last song of the two song encore (3rd World Man was the 1st) so I am pleased as punch to have been able to see, hear and sing along to that classic. Black Friday was played at both shows I saw, so it looks like they dropped it for Green Earrings for your show. That's a Bummer.

There are some sanctimonious folks here who get on us for liking and wanting to hear those songs but that just the way it is. If SD closed out their shows with those two songs they'd kill. Don't get me wrong, the set list was phenomenal and every song I heard was great and loved by me. But don't bash some of us as "marginal fans" because we wax nostalgic and want to hear the songs that were a big part of our lives.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:56:16 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

I knew there was one more thing I wanted to say concerning Concerned: It kind of makes me sad that you would deny Donald a romp in the sack because of his age and his looks. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, no? What is sexy about Don is his music, weird sense of humour, the way his brain works and he looks really fine. Every guy and gal no matter their age...21 and over of course!!...deserves a romp every now and then.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:41:24 ET
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh

A brief essay comparing the Foxwoods and Borgata show:
The Foxwoods show was pretty good sadly though the venue and booking management kind of sucked. The show could only be 90 minutes so I counted the exclusion of at least 3 songs from the list; Gaucho (which I love Walter doing) 2VN (a real chair rocker) and Everything You Did (though if I recall they were kind off and on with that tune anyway), only one encore (which sucked) and to top it all off no dancing anywhere even for the last tune! That’s a bit hard to swallow considering I would be very happy standing and dancing to the whole show. I really enjoyed seeing everyone at the Danfest (a gabby gal’s paradise). A smashing success Chan!
A mad dash the next morning with my dff at my side landed us in Atlantic City exhausted but grateful to get there. The Borgata show was pumped, the place was packed and the set list was awesome, I really enjoyed Black Friday and there were ample places to dance if you wanted. Donald looked happy and was really enjoying himself doing a jig off the stage at the end of it all. Once again it was a real pleasure to see everyone and it’s always great to meet new Danfans and have a good gab about the band.

Concerned I’m going to bet that if you went to a show in Boston or NYC the experience would be very different but then again keep in mind I’m totally addicted and love every chance I get to go to these shows.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:35:34 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana, agreeing

Very well said, Dean.......

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:24:00 ET
Posted by: SteelyDana, va

Just heard a very nice instrumental cover of "Do It Again" on our local jazz station. It was done by Bill Cunliffe on his CD "Imaginacion". Check it out !!
Many thanks to all for the most recent concert reports. Hope the boys and girls get some well-deserved rest and are back "on tour" next summer :-)

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:21:01 ET
Posted by: Air Force One,

kzkzkz is an idiot. And so is everyone who thanked him or acknowledged his post. Morons.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:03:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

kzkzkz,

Great link. Thanks.

Chris, just as an FYI, that isn't from the Foxwoods show that Confused saw.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 14:02:53 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

one more observation before I go to class. both Jim and Ari take quite a few more "risks" than Jeff and Walt, and after hearing a lot of "safe" (but tight) stuff the past couple of years, its refreshing to hear some out stuff once in a while.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 13:56:58 ET
Posted by: chris, nh

Funny that I'm reading Confused's posts after clicking KZKZ's link. The band actually sounds pretty energized and tight (some new horn arrangements over the intro were noticeable) and Jim Beard has WAY more chops than Jeff Young, hope he sticks around.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 13:55:59 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Confused,

I have to say that, after reading your comments, I am a little confused. There seem to be two issues here (at least on the surface) how SD sounded to you that night, and the set list in particular. There is a bigger issue underlying it all, I believe.

You claim to be a reader of The Blue. If so you should have been aware beforehand, and reminded again, after the show, that many consider Foxwoods one of the worst places to see SD (for a number of reasons). So, as Bill said, if the problem is that they simply didn't grab you that night (the thought still befuddles me), it may have been because you didn't get a good SD experience.

But, then again, if you were more than a "casual fan" or a regular reader of The Blue, you would have known what to expect from the setlist before the concert, and you CERTAINLY would know that Becker is not the band's only lead guitar player. In fact, Walter is playing far more lead, the past two tours, than he ever has. Herrington takes many of the more "famous" leads, but Becker handles many, many others. All the "real" SD fans I know, are very familiar with all the SD guitar players (live and studio) over the years.

As I wasn't at your particular concert, I can't speak to the individual performance, or mix. When I saw them this tour, Becker was mixed very loud, and you could hear every wonderful note he played, clearly and crisply.

So, let's get down to the setlist. Just so you know, that's always a popular issue here, on the Blue. Most who take issue with the setlist here, here think it is too commercial..that is, too heavily loaded with their radio "hits". There have always been some people, mostly music critics and "casual" SD fans (which you are clearly one, whether or not you admit it) who are looking for more of the tunes with which they are familiar. That's not what they do...if you were more than a "casual fan" you would know that, too.

Without rehashing my old theories, you seem to be a rock/pop fan, looking for a "fun" concert (if that sounds slightly condescending, that's how it was meant). The idea that you would expect any "show" or movement from SD is absurd. Only a casual fan wouldn't already know that The Dan operates more like a jazz band. Fagen doesn't run around on stage like a moron...instead he concentrates on the music, and the sound of the band. These are highly skilled musicians playing difficult music. THE MUSIC is the show, not preening, posing and dancing onstage. Have you never been to classical or jazz concert? This music is to be treated with respect!

Finally, there are no B and C Steely Dan tunes, and the suggestion that they played any at Foxwoods is rejected, I think, by most here. The confusion, I think, comes from casual fans (you are one, don't forget) looking for songs they are very familiar with. Steely Dan was never a band composing hit songs. They happened to be active and making their kind of music at the right time, and some of their tunes got radio play, and became "hits". While all of those songs, are great tunes, they aren't their "best" songs, for the most part. They are just the easiest for the casual fan, and the pop/rock fan, to consume.

Many real SD fans were merely pop/rock fans when they discovered The Dan. But, the complexity, the beauty and uniqueness of the music encouraged many to start listening, and exploring, other types of music...specifically, jazz, blues, R&B, Tin Pan Alley stuff, etc. The Dan turned a bunch of rock and pop fans into MUSIC fans. It is too bad that you don't seem to be one of the fans that was "infected".

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 13:22:15 ET
Posted by: Concerned, To Bill in PGH

To Bill in PGH

Thanks for your comments and answers to my questions, i appreciate a reasonable fans opinion, otherwise i wouldnt have posted here. AS i said, im a Jethro Tull fan and i totally understand those who "dont get" Tull...

and id didnt "get" SD.... but i guess i do now.

i wont give up on them because their music was/is awesome.

But their concert, to me, was unlike anyone ive ever seen, including Dylan (3 tours)

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 13:15:01 ET
Posted by: Concerned,

To clarify:

1.I've owned 7 of their albums not 4 and i wasnt looking for a nostalgia act. I wanted to hear GOOD songs, not crappy piano riffs.

2.The people i saw leaving were all paid customers from the balcony. Those seats AREN't given to the "gamblers" as you say.

3. I didnt "wait for comp tickets to see them" they haven't to my knowledge. played anywhere near where i live.

That being said, please just address the questions i have and dont attack me personally becasue i was disappointed.

As for the woman who thinks donald is worthy of a romp in the bed, i just shudder...in hockey they are called "puck bunnies," do they still call them "groupies?"

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:39:59 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY

Re: Donald

I, for one, would NOT be throwing HIM out of MY bed and I know I speak for many of my Steely girlfriends as well!

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:27:34 ET
Posted by: Dr Who, Detroit

Face it; you’re a marginal fan who was looking for a ‘nostalgia act’ set list. With such a tremendous amount of great material, more ambitious (AKA one not counting on a casino comp to see one of the bands they want to see before they die) fans are glad they don’t play the same stuff all the time… In fact, most here quip, somewhat, that they play too much of the core hits as it is (myself being one too, though I've never posted that til' now).
But, you’re welcome to your opinion.
Can’t comment on the sound, wasn’t there.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:09:07 ET
Posted by: Sojmo, Manchvegas

MGM Grand Show Friday 11/21
Set List
Intro - Gone to the movies-Fez-
The Royal Scam
I got the news
Show Biz Kids
Bodhisattva
Hey 19
godwacker
Babylon Sisters
New Frontier
Parkers Band
Josie
AJA
Supremes song
Green Earings
Peg
encore- Kid Charlemagne
The sound was great, as was the show- songs were interesting as well
Not the most popular, but very very good. Still the best live show to see- Thanks Guys it was a real treat !

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:07:59 ET
Posted by: Dear, confused

The biggest pet peeve the more hardcore fans have with casinos gigs is that the good seats are not available for fans to purchase but are instead comped to gamblers like yourself, the gambler who slept through it, and the gamblers who left before the end. Having four of their CDs and caring enough to write that blurb, you're a much bigger fan than probably 98% of the others who got comped seats. But your complaints are typical of these people: They didn't play enough of their hits and instead played a lot of album cuts. Why D & F don't accept this and give in and play Do It Again, Rikki and Reelin' is anyone's guess.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:06:34 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh,

Dear Confused:

You may get royally flamed here on the blue, but please don't give up on SD as a live act. The hardcore fans consider the 2008 set list the best in years - you probably would have preferred the hit-heavy Sugartooth McDan tour with Michael McDonald in 2006. Rikki, probably their biggest hit, has only been played live on one tour since the 70's, and in a smoothed-out arrangement that I suspect the boys weren't too fond of either. Many of the hits you did hear have been played nearly every year since 1993, and its for casual fans like yourself that they stay in the set list, I'd wager.

Your mistake was to expect something closer to the early records, focusing on hits, with some element of showmanship that these guys never had much use for even during their brief 1973-74 touring days. If you have seen Bob Dylan in the past few decades you might have had the same reaction (although he plays more hits/well known tunes, you might have a hard time recognizing them).

Becker does play lead guitar, but in his own clean, jazzy style just like he did on Aja and the other later albums. The rock-oriented leads were almost always other guys - Skunk Baxter and Larry Carlton among others. Jon Herrington handles those quite well.

Donald is admittedly an odd presence on stage, but that's just his style. If you know the band's history, he was a reluctant frontman from the beginning and he has actually loosened up a lot since 1993. Remember that nobody expected this bunch of studio rats to ever tour again until that year.

I hope you will still enjoy their records and give the last batch of SD and solo releases a fair listen. Maybe you want more of the U2 experience when you attend a live performance, and that's fine (I like their shows, but they are formost SHOWS, not concerts, IMO). Just don't expect that from SD.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 12:02:05 ET
Posted by: Greg M, white plains

Dear Mr. Confused:

"Good" is subjective. That pretty much answers your long-winded, lame post. ("Lame" is also subjective, I guess)

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 10:31:54 ET
Posted by: Confused,

I wanted to comment about the Foxwoods shows. First let me say I have been a fan of SD since about 1977. I have owned records(vinyl to you young folks) and enjoyed them so much I wore out the tracks. I have since converted four of my favs to CD. I never really knew or cared about the sessions musicians much, only that their sound quality and production on the SD albums were always amazing. Aja is probably THE BEST EVER produced album I've ever heard for sound quality and clarity, and its songs are amazing. I never learned much about Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, other than they were a collaborative duo of musical "genius" which produced some amazing studio work. I am a huge follower of Jethro Tull, whose success over the years has been driven by Ian Anderson and Martin Barre in much the same way/focus as SD. I can parallel their careers. Discography etc.

SD was one of only 3 bands left I want to see before I die, U2 and Joe Jackson being the others, I have seen every other rock giant, some jazz and blues icons, and well over 150 concerts. What I saw at Foxwoods was one of the worst shows ever; a huge disappointment. I had great seats in the mezanine (free tickets from the casino). The first song was horrible sound wise, the vocals were undistinguishable and I thought it was the sound system. I'm hoping it was. Around the third song I saw a motion to turn up the mix and it got better. My main beef was this; WHERE were all the GOOD songs? Why do they play the C,D, and E cuts off the albums? Why not Rickki, and Black Friday,Reelin in the years, Doctor Wu??? Even with my above average knowledge of the song catalog,(and some help from you folks on set lists and what to expect) I still wonder why such horribly boring songs were picked to showcase these two musical geniuses. The guy next to me slept the whole show; and I saw DOZENS of people leave, and not just from the free seats. I feel sorry for people who paid upwards of $85 for that. Bodhi, as you folks call it, is not a rock anthem, but they tried to make it one. Even Kid could have been lengthened, the "Cuervo Gold " speech was cheesy and didn’t add anything to the show whatsoever. Are they a jazz band, a rock band(Rock Hall of Fame), an easy listening band?? Did I expect too much??

A lot has been written in this site about the band. The bass player I thought was excellent as was the piano player. The horn section was adequate ant the band was tight. I was totally disappointed that Becker doesn’t play lead guitar, I expected he did. My wife forgot her glasses, and was glad she couldn’t see Fagen. I explained to her that he looked like Grandpa Munster 30 years younger with a little Ray Charles /Stevie Wonder and Jack Nicholson's Joker all rolled into one. He maybe a genius, and I think he is, but he is tough on the eyes. And like Jethro Tull, I believe the song selection was chose solely to showcase his piano playing, with no account into what "average fans" would want to hear. With Tull, Ian Anderson doesn’t sing the tough songs with his voice deteriorating. Is the same true of SD? Why couldn’t they play better songs??

I've read a lot here about the "girls" and how most of you thank them for some reason. I'd like to thank them as well. Without their casual movements, there wouldn’t have been ANY action at all on stage. I honestly have never seen ANY concert, at any level of musical ability, so lifeless and boring. Why?

Please help me to understand and I welcome your comments and thoughts. I want to be a fan again.

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 10:18:05 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" One other thing... I brought along my Flip Mino cam and was going to record the encore (I know I was bad) when I was tapped on the shoulder by one of the ushers. Bagged!! She said "No recording devices are allowed - Steely Dan himself told us".



This makes Joey smile .

Date: Mon, November 24, 2008, 02:17:29 ET
Posted by: Delmar, was at Borgata

Steely Dan sounded more "Steely Dan"ish with Jim Beard at Borgata. I've heard SD a few times in the past couple years and there was something clear, funky and beautiful about what was going on at Borgata that I didn't get the other times.

Hope D & W keep him.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 22:55:44 ET
Posted by: Dave From Acquisitions, Central Mass

Friday - MGM Grand

Great to see Steely Dan and as always to see old and new Dan fans. This was my first time seeing Steely Dan in a cold weather month - and it was cold!! Being a guitarist and keyboardist my eyes and ears were on Jon Herington and Jim Beard. Both were outstanding. The tour may be over but the inspiration I picked up Friday night is going to keep my musical fires burning in the practice room through the cold winter ahead.
One other thing... I brought along my Flip Mino cam and was going to record the encore (I know I was bad) when I was tapped on the shoulder by one of the ushers. Bagged!! She said "No recording devices are allowed - Steely Dan himself told us".

Mark C.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 19:32:26 ET
Posted by: wu, woh

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Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 19:17:15 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Philadelphia

Oh, my, what a way to cap off the tour!! The band was exceptionally charged and sharp at the Borgata, albeit w/o Weiskopf & Young. I was thrilled to be in the fourth row in front of Donald, who showed plenty of that extra exuberance at the keyboard, occasionally eliciting a sidelong, wry look from Walter. Herrington was in especially top form. (oh, and our seating situation also resulted in my boyfriend -- whom I've indoctrinated into the dan world very recently and who has developed a deep appreciation -- becoming rather infatuated by the beautiful Cindy M. The coordinated 'fros were a fun, inspired touch, btw.) Luckily it was a relatively lively audience -- it's always best when nobody minds if you stand up and dance, and we were able to stand during entire encore. Oh, and so great to see Fionna, Gretchen, et al, if only briefly (my Ken was a little spent after all the excitement).

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 13:59:26 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

RE: MGM Grand show:

* Both WB, JB and JH were terrific.

* FW very understated but solid.

* KC a madman of amazing strength, skill and taste.

* The girls were great.



Poor Donald's pipes were shot from the get-go. I "felt" for him the whole nite.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 12:05:42 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Pretty good show @ the MGM-Foxwoods, my 5th time. Anyone have the set list from the MGM show on Friday night? Thanks.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 12:05:35 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Pretty good show @ the MGM-Foxwoods, my 5th time. Anyone have the set list from the MGM show on Friday night? Thanks.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 12:03:26 ET
Posted by: Otilop, Madison

Pretty boring, not much to add.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 11:22:01 ET
Posted by: Shaggy, Pennsylvania

Holy Black Cow! Camden in June was great, Bethel Woods in July was better and the Borgata show last night was sensational! I was a little worried after reading some of the Foxwoods posts, but last night it all came together. Can hardly wait for the next tour!

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 08:50:04 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell, NJ

Jive,
I think they finally nailed down the sound after a few shows.Also the Borgata crowd was Really GREAT!.I closed my eyes a few times last night and was just taken away.I think also at the Wellmont those seats might have been good for Twiggy,but my 250 lb frame struggled to get comfortable.It just clicked last night for some reason- after Kid C Donald stood in front of the band almost jumping around to end the song, he seemed as excited as the crowd! I wish there were a few more shows.But I'll take 3 for 4!

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 02:07:10 ET
Posted by: Sweet Sue, on the outskirts of AC

I couldn't agree more, Girl Margaret! The sound was great, the band was smokin', loved the gals' fro action, nice crowd...to sum it up--FANTASTIC!!!
Peace, xoxo, & Happy Thanksgiving to all, from the Group W bench!
S.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 01:56:00 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata, by way of Bethesda

Margaret,

My college girlfriend was Margaret, and she called herself Peg, which is apparently pretty common. In the Autumn of 1977, I'd just gotten a brand new stereo system, which I had set up in my college dorm at Rutgers. I'd just purchased Aja (vinyl, of course), and was saving it for Peg. We turned off the lights, lit some candles, opened a bottle of wine, and lit a joint. I placed the needle down on the record, and the first song, Black Cow comes on. It was one of those rare, euphoric, goose bump musical moments. Everything about that song was magically, almost indescribably perfect. Since that moment, Steely Dan has been like a narcotic. There's no other performing ensemble anything like them. I think I understand that wave of emotion that reaches into our souls.

I lost track of my New Jersey girlfriend Peg long ago, but I still have "Peg" on vinyl and CD.

Thanks for your wonderful reviews and insights.

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 01:18:08 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret, The Borgata

A long afternoon of driving down to AC was certainly worth it for the final show of 2008! The band was absolutely fantastic, the set sounded incredible, and I was surprised that the venue was fairly packed, as it has been my experience that casino shows - even if the tickets are all sold - don't fill up because a lot of heavy rollers prefer to stay at the tables. The sound was amazing, a bit loud, but I think for the first time (for me, perhaps because I don't always pay close attention) I could hear every single voice and every single instrument perfectly clearly. Jim Beard is still fantastic, and Ari Ambrose was such a perfect fit with the band! The show went for exactly two hours, but there were no extended song intros and no lengthy band intros, everything went very quickly with little time to break in between.

I agree that the band must be exhausted, as I'm sure many of us are! As much as I love to travel around and see these guys, I could use a break myself. Pay off those credit cards, save a little money, maybe move into a place of my own, and then we'll talk about putting another tour together!

With that said, about 3/4 of the way thru the show - pretty much when Black Cow started up - a wave of emotion came over me and I was incredibly moved as I realized how much I love this band and how much the music means to me and everything that I've gotten out of following them around (besides love notes from Visa). It was a show like tonight's that makes me realize just how fucking awesome this group is and how lucky someone like me is to be able to see them as often as I have.

But that still doesn't mean I don't need a break!

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 01:14:46 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata, by way of Bethesda

Duth,
I was at the Tuesday 11/18/08 show at the Wellmont. Great show, but iffy sound mix.

What do you think was better about the Borgata tonight?

Date: Sun, November 23, 2008, 00:38:06 ET
Posted by: Duth, North Caldwell,NJ

Just got back from the Borgata!!!Great F-in show.Much better than the Wellmont shows for some reason.Band was on fire,Walter was playing his ass off,and Black Cow was added. The crowd was great and we stood for both songs of the encore in row 14.Took me 2 hours to get home compared to 8 minutes from Montclair,but it was sooooo....worth it.I even won $640 dollars in a $2 double diamond slot on the way out......Awesome!!!

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 22:25:04 ET
Posted by: Borgata Attendee, The Borgata

Walter's Hey Nineteen spiel went something like this

So it's winter time and it's too cold to hike in the woods so you go down to Atlantic City and belly up to the table and roll them bones and after you've dropped every fucking penny you made in the last 6 months you go up to your room and the service bar has assorted domestic beers and drinks...

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 22:24:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach

Girl M, and Hoops,

Thanks. Glad to hear the band was hot.

I'm thinking a little down time, and some work on an album, is in order for Don and Walt.

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 22:10:37 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Encores: my old school, kid c outro the band was hotso 2nite

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 21:50:55 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Black cow! | Peg

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 21:40:56 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Supremes

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 21:32:01 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Josie / Aja

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 21:23:29 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Gaucho / Blk Fri / parkers band

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 21:07:04 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Bab Sis / New Fron

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 20:53:24 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

2vN / 19 / Godwhacker

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 20:36:07 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

News / SBK / Bodhi

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 20:17:37 ET
Posted by: Girl Margaret texting the setlist , The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

Movies fez scam

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 20:13:11 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata, by way of Bethesda

Fezzie,

Thanks for show review and analysis. I had the grand pleasure of seeing them last Tuesday at the Wellmont in Montclair, NJ. As always, they were pristine in their execution. The Wellmont has tremendous potential, but ultimately, they'll need to get their act together a little better as far as acountics. Most of the instruments were very clear, particularly in the higher ranges. However, there ws a bit too much sharpness and loudness in Don's keyboard. The horns were just beautiful when they had "space" to work in, but when they were in the mix with the rest of the band, they often got drowned out. 2vN and that great Dixieland-style jam at the end of Parker's come to mind. Herington was right at the top of his game, and I loved the addition of Beard. Freddie's bass was occasionally muddy. Carlock is pure monster. The afro-clad Tawatha, Catherine and Cindy were wonderful (as always) and were called on at times to lend support on the higher notes that Donald struggled with.

I saw them on 6/13/08, and last week, and if I could draw a contrast, I'd have to say that there was more swagger in June. The band was simply swinging. It was also mid-summer, the economy was not so much in the tank, and the NYC audience was just "hotter", and I sensed the band fed off that energy. The Montclair crowd was greatly appreciative and respectful, but unquestionably more subdued.

The band has been touring for 3 consecutive seasons, which they have never done before. If memory serves, 1993, '94, '96, 2k, '03, '06, '07, '08. They've been playing the same roughly 25 songs (give or take). If they were playing again next spring or summer, I'd jump. Cannot get enough. You're right, though, maybe time for some R&R, refresh, re-tool, re-energize.

If I had to pick one "highlight" song from the '08 tour, I'd have to pick Show Biz Kids. Funky and original.

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 19:37:39 ET
Posted by: Mark , From the North of Boston

Great to meet and greet all the coolies at the Foxwoods Show. Thanks Chan for setting up the venue.
The MGM Theater has great sound. Was to me the best sounding venue that I have ever attended. I pretty much agree with Fez on his review of the show and the bands current percieved physical condition. But thru my jaded eyes and ears I loved the show.
Take care all and hope to "do it again" real soon.
Mark D

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 15:51:57 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Thanks for the reports everyone -- and have a great time this evening if you are fortunate to be attending.


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Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 15:05:40 ET
Posted by: Fezzie, boston

Back home,Thanks to Chan for the great fest and to all the usual suspects for attending,Denise,Fife,Grechen Mark B.and his lovely wife.....Mark D,Doc,Jim,Pete and Shari you were missed and look forward to meeting up again soon.And a special hello to those new friends who attended....Mark C. and i were discussing the show on the way home and i have to be honest.In my opinion they are beat,drained and just plain tired!who would'nt be with the schedule they have had over the last 20 month's...They need to step back,recharge the batteries and let the bug bite again.For those of us who see them on a regular to more than regular basis we understand the grind and the work it takes to perform at the highest level night after night...It appeared last night they just hit a wall at points during the show..... In my opinion there has never been and never will be a bad Steely Dan show just Good and Great and because the Great one's far outweigh the Good,when we see only a good show we start to assess the reasons based on the many great one's we have seen.Speaking only for myself,i am happy that they will take the break after Borgata that appears needed....I have no doubt that the future holds many more Great memories for all of us to enjoy...best as alway's.......Fezzie

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 13:29:40 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

I agree with the comments below about the show. That said, Jim Beard was a treat. I was waaaaay up in the balcony, but with the help of binoculars and I could see his fingers just flying over the Hammond keyboard. You could really hear what a fine musician he is. The 3 ladies were wonderful as well, all in afros and silver sequined mini-dresses. Their voices were strong and their dance routines were great. Ari Ambrose was very good as well (Walt W. was not there.)

The venue was nice, although the sound seemed a bit muted from where I sat. Maybe it was different down in the orchestra.

Date: Sat, November 22, 2008, 13:03:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach