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Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 15:24:55 ET In the USA there"s been three but it's the first one over here andpraise
to Papa Doc and Dean Parksit's a classic alright. Once again: Dan fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed
some other issues of classic Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm And, of course, please note that Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is
at http://www.metalleg`.com/
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Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 19:39:17 ET The following are installments #5 and #6 of six articles relating to Becker
and Fagen's reuniting to play Steely Dan songs at the Lone Stone Roadhouse on
October 23, 1991 during the New York Nights performance series. These radio
interview transcripts originally appeared in Metal Leg Vol. 5,
No. 4 dated April 1992. As far as can be told, this is the first time these
transcripts have appeared on the Internet. Thanks, as always, to Pete Fogel. On October 24,1991, the day after The Reunion show at The Lone Star Roadhouse,
Ray White of New York's contemporary jazz station CD 101.9, was scheduled to
have Walter Becker, Andy Laverne and LeeAnn Ledgerwood on his morning show to
talk about his Triloka production work. One of NY's biggest Danfans, Ray also
took the opportunity to talk to Walter about the historic night before. [Plays track.] AL- If you're listening, hi guys, how are you? (Plays "Robin's Row). Two days after Becker's interview on CD 101.9, Donald Fagen made an on-air
appearance on WNEW-FM on the afternoon of October 26. WNEW was celebrating their
24th anniversary on the airwaves of New York at The Hard Rock Cafe. While the
host of the broadcast party was the often-imitated radio personality Scott Muni,
the interview was conducted by Pat St. John, the 10am-2pm D.J. who manages to
play at least one Dan song per day on his show. Scott Muni- We're live at the Hard Rock, it's our 24th birthday party.
(Plays "Pretzel Logic" from the New York Rock and Soul Revue)
(Plays "Green Flower Street" from the New York Rock and Soul Revue)
(Plays "Knock On Wood" from New York Rock and Soul Revue)
Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan fan
John Granatino has lovingly transcribed some other issues of classic Metal
Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm And, of course, please note that Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is
at http://www.metalleg.com
and his place Le Bar Bat is at http://www.lebarbat.com
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Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 18:57:46 ET With regard to exhortations, enquiries, entreaties and ever-so-slight nagging
contained in the two fairly recent posts of the Anima ‘Jersey
(Michelle, 10-29-02 – 19:54:09, 19:50:10): I certainly do appreciate
your posts and will respond to each fully, leaving no stone unturned. I have
serious reasons for taking so long between my posts, rather than responding
to each post promptly as you suggest. It is not because I am in any way indifferent
to yours or anyone else’s posts; rather, I like to carefully think matters
through and stew on them for a while. The longer I stew on these subjects,
the more things come to mind. You know the old adage: “It changed. It
grew.” Moreover, the thread of posts that respond to mine are usually
separated by a few weeks, and I prefer to deal with them collectively. From
an even longer-term perspective, however, I am only now getting around to
replying, under the seemingly innocuous suggestion regarding a Christmas present,
to a post by Cosmic WoW from way back in May of this year. Older posts admittedly
fade in the readership’s memory, but at least I conveniently cite the
date of their posting for archival references. I first read about Dinky Dawson in Brian Sweet’s book. Assuming he
was a UK resident, I discovered Dinky is a Bostonian after reading in The
SD Digest an account about a Boston ‘Danfest on the y2k tour. A subsequent
discovery of his website and the Rykodisc Label website revealed that Dinky
planned to release on CD a soundboard recording from each of the groups for
which he has mixed live concerts throughout his distinguished career, including
the 1974 line-up of Steely Dan. I simply couldn’t believe my eyes and
fired off an e-mail with inquiries on the status of the potential ‘Dansterly
concert project from ‘74. Dinky kindly replied that the 7/1/74 Seattle
concert is the one he plans to release if he receives permission to do so
from D&W. I also ordered his book “Life on the Road” primarily
because it had a chapter on the ‘Dan, but also to honor and support
his good intention to release a concert from the Pretzel Logic tour.
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Posted by: :), :0Next-I don't think Bill Clinton was Dr. Mu. The post wasn't long enough.
Posted by: :), :0Next-I don't think Bill Clinton was Dr. Mu. The post wasn't long enough.
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, CaliforniaHoops-
Sorry to hear about your pillness (P is silent). I guess you can be thankful you didn't get flat-on-your-back pneumonia (or boogie woogie flu).
Since a common topic here is "what the heck is this SD song about?" I'd like to pose a similar question about a Joni Mitchell song. One of my long-time faves is The Jungle Line, off Hissing of Summer Lawns (which also includes Shadow and Light). My guess has always been that it's kind of a surrealistic image-poem about the influence of industrialization and drugs on art (music and visual).
But perhaps someone has a better idea and can enlighten me...?
-Pete
P.S. Read an interview with Joni a couple years back in the SF Chronicle and learned that she was quite unhappy with the negative critical reception of HOSL (the follow-up to Court and Spark). Over the years, I think it's held up much better for me than C&S. Both albums have a strong "battle of the sexes" theme, but I think HOSL is more self-assured from the woman's perspective.
Posted by: phoops, pchicago (the p's are silent)I don't understand the silent P in front of Pneumoniua. Anyhow, I learned that I'm recovering from "Walking Pneumonia." Why I couldn't have "Waltzing Pneumonia," I don't know. Probably not enough floor space in my place for me to waltz with it. Must have got it from cleaning windows using "Windex with Pneumonia D."
I finally found the deluxe version of Joni Mitchell's "Travelogue." No I'm not jumping on the Joni bandwagon, been a fan of hers for years and "Shadows and Light" is probably my fav. So many of the tracks are stunning and I really prefer her current voice than that of, say, the early 70s. With all this political humor or attempts at it here lately, I was blown away at the paintings featured in the deluxe version of "Travelougue." Among them:
• collapsing Twin Towers with a lion and some other faces subtlely painted into the flames and smoke
• A sullen portrait of George Bush with flames behind him (more subtle imagery painted into the flames) and what is maybe a Palestinian woman behind him. Or maybe it's a representation of death.
• a blond woman baring her breasts with Osama bin Laden emerging from between her legs
• And a relatively serene and cheerful portrait of Colin Powell
Have to study this some more.
Definitely a CD to buy. I haven't been glued to a new CD in quite a while but the new Joni and new Harrison are both stuck in my head.
Regarding "Brainwashed," it's maybe not his top album but it's really good. After the negative buzz about Jeff Lynne supposedly overproducing it, I didn't think he overproduced it that much, if at all. (It made me appreciate why the SD Newsletter commented that we shouldn't take as gospel what we might read in advance of the release of Steely Dan's next project.) So far tho, this album has a touch more ELO sound than did the last ELO album with Lynne, "Zoom," which I thought wasn't stereotypically enoughly like an ELO album. Go figure.
Peg:
Thanks for the solemn prayer of thanks. It reminded me of that "Solemn prayer for peace," "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again."
hoops
Posted by: Next, "Bill Clinton" you gotta a long way to go before you are funny. You sound like Dr Mu.
Joni's new You Dream Flat Tires blows me away. Great heads up, Coyote.
Posted by: Peg, Back roomTryptophan: An amino acid present in turkey, bananas, cottage cheese, dried dates, fish, milk, peanuts, and meat, in general. Acts as anti-depressant, sleep aid, suppresses appetite. Formerly available in capsule form and now completely banned in the US as a supplement after a few tainted supplies were sold by one company. Imagine if they did the same thing to acetominaphen after the Tylenol scare. Hmm.
As to the previous question about what semi-mojo means, I always figured it in conext: Semi mojo; who's this kinky so-and-so? Translation: Hey the kid is biracial, and sports the same kinky hair as the fellow dear Babs met at the bar.
I'm thankful for Steely Dan. Consider for one moment life without the Dan. Yikes! Aren't you one thankfuller puppy now than you were just a second ago?
Cheers and Beaujolais to you all. :)
Posted by: ALGORE, Truck Stop near ChattanoogaBill, you've never been more prolific, where were you in 2000?
I couldn't make sense of anything that year!
AL
Posted by: Bill Clinton, nowhere near HillaryDaytona: Man, just read another Stephen King novel...hey, you could use a Lewinski! I always said the Eisenhower should have let the Germans know the details about the D-Day invasion.
Jebby, Man, me and the MacSter we spent all the DNC money trying to get rid of you. We told Reno to pre-set all the machines. That was a sneaky trick allowing incompetent Democratic locals to run the new high tech ballot machines - thye couldn't even plug them in! ...and where's the love...monkey...the hospitality Florida is known for in Florida? I sent you opponent over to a table to pick up some hot babe for me (where's an Arkansas State Troope when you need one?), and her boyfriend gets pissed and runs us out of the restaurant! Eh, she wasn't fat enough anyway...
We still got a chanced in '04! We still have African-Americans on the reservation, even after we told McCall and Robert Ford Jr. to go to the back of the bus.
If you're really bored, here's The Patriot Act in full. Passed 98-1 in the Senate, but i'm convince Asssssssshcroft rigged the vote.
Never mind that it protects against American Muslim rights straight off the bat (Sect. 102), that it updates previous laws, that surveillance and searches require the same court order or warrant (sect 213), and a major focus is terrorist money laundering (sect. 301) and tracking non-citizens and illegals (sect. 201), the thing that pisses me off is that they're now letting Cuban boys into the country!...man, I saw Scarface, and I'll tell ya - that's a scary movie! Pacino was great!
The goodt news is that now everyone's forgotten I ordered twice as many wiretaps as Nixon and stole 900 FBI files instead of the one Charles Colson stole...play Freeh Bird! Man, they love me in China - I'm goin' back cause I see Hillary coming this way! Gonna get a Geisha - or is that Japan?
Posted by: Daytona room, http://www.news-jrnl.com/2002/Nov/26/OPN2.htm
Posted by: Trippin' on Triptophan , Hey, Tom and Penelope are going to get married in the dining room of a Moroccan shipliner: "Coos coos 'n' kiss-kiss on the Cruise-Cruz cruise." Now fill your mout with T-Day stuffing and repeat that last Headline. Impress your guests.
Lisa Marie and Nicholas: Love me Tender.
Jebby, Bust size? hey are you the one who keeps sending me the spam that I can increase my bustline for $19.95. maybe you just wanna get all the less-voluptuous female and hermaphrodite Danfans' email addys so you can send 'em spam I'm on to you, bud. Hey you know what they call a nun who had sex change operation to become a priest? A TRANSSISTER! The operation is called an Addadictomy. Heh heh.
W. is just mad 'cos Saddam has more wives than him. Utterwise they'd just swap wives and be done with this war kwap.
Let's all go to our bosses monday and ask for a promotion for accomplishing nothing, just like Tom ridge. Next best thing to becoming Prez 'cos Daddy was.
Hey bandwagoneers, HTTP://WWW.HARMONICATS.COM
ToT
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Posted by: µ , Howard: Yes, the Porcaro clip, since it's from the beginning of the song certainly could be the second version that Roger Nichols mentioned. That makes sense. Could it be a spare outtake of the original? There are no horns or backing vocals. It has the same sound quality, pace and soundscape as *newly found* Gaucho and Time Out of Mind outtakes (and those are stupendous). It almost seems they were recorded about the same time. I realize the final master was erased, but earlier versions besides the original demo might have been around as well, just like those outtakes of other songs??? I guess we'll never know...
Posted by: Gina, Circle Game MountainCredit where credit is due ... Vince Mendoza is mentioned as arranger and conductor, Larry Klein for musical direction. Larry Klein btw also produced another Canadian singer, Holly Cole, the album Dark Dear Heart. Holly covered a Joni track, River. A Dan-familiar name appearing on this particular Holly CD is Dean Parks. Given the 70-ies thread and spreading it wider, critics acclaim Joni made her best albums in the seventies, George Duke flew in various directions blending his Adderley-Zappa-Ponty time ... all the more interesting to look upon a musician's career over time and notice their speaking tongues in brass and cymbals :-)
Posted by: Coyote, UrbanaHello Jive Turkeys,
Tangentially related to the SD flow is of course Joni Mitchell, who released a stunning 2 CD set last week, and I just wanted to sing it's praises. Hoops, I know you're a big fan of JM; this is a must own. She had success with the orchestration of jazz standards on her last album, so this time she chose 2 CD's worth of her own tunes and Larry Klein arranged them for orchestra. The musicianship is top notch, and the arrangments are stunning! Wayne Shorter and Brian Blades are there for most of the tunes. The deluxe package features a lot of her paintings, as does the first cd when put into your rom drive.
Anyway, sorry for the blatant commercial for a Joni CD, but this thing is a must have for Sunday afternoon.
Down the road,
Bruce
Posted by: Howard, Mu - based on that Roger Nichols quote, it does seem more likely that the full band version of second arrangement is a wendel-driven remake. I always figured it was based on the original (lost) version, but it looks to be otherwise.
The engineer who accidentally erased most of the track would have put the tape on record from the start, so there must have been only a portion at the end of the track that remained. I suppose if they had backing vocals from the original for at least the last chorus, they could re-use these parts for earlier choruses. It was these backing vocals more than anything that made me think it was the original - they wouldn't have bothered overdubbing backing vocals unless they were happy with the rhythm track. But, they could re-use backing vocals from a fragment of the original version to rebuild the track.
I doubt the bridge section would have survived, so maybe they actually re-recorded piano and rhodes parts for the remake. For the rest they could have used (wendelised) drums from the original, plus bits and pieces of backing vocals and guitar, from whatever was left of the original.
That other version (intro only, better sound quality, with some nice drumming touches) - I doubt it's the original. As I said, the only bit left would have been at the end of the track. My guess is that this is the other remake that Roger Nichols mentioned.
Howard
Posted by: Abrakadabra, Reggea? What are you talkin' about son?
Bob Marley is reggae.
Posted by: W1P, Naw Royal Scam is the raggae song on that album
Posted by: Jaco, UKYeah, that bit's beautiful. The recording is exemplary.....it's a masterpiece. Fagen himself said his favourite part of that album - lyrically and musically I believe - was in Snowbound, after an instrumental break where it goes
"We sail out icecats on the frozen reeeeeever...." :)
I love that part too.
I also love the bass and drums only version on the single, possibly more than the original. Walter really can groove on bass as well, I keep forgetting how good he is on bass.
Has anyone any info on Mr Becker's bass/equipment of choice, from the 70's or 90's ?
Kind regards
Jaco
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Right down the hallway with open armsI was wondering how many have heard Elliot Randall's Guitar Archive CD and is it available somewhere online? How does his cover of Bodhisattva compare with the Steve Lukather/Toto version?
I know much has been said about DF's "K"... but does anyone else get goosebumps during the awesome middle part of Tomorrow's Girls: I'm talking specifically of the phenomenal background vocals part - "...the warm night breezes start rolling in off the sea. Yes, at lantern time that's when you come to me. Come to me." ----
I get chills EVERY time I hear that part. Anyone else?
J. LeP.
Posted by: µ, Howard: Great find. It seems then the snippet with wet drums could be some part of the original version, though not fully posh yet. The Wendelized full track one then is one of the remakes. I had that backwards for years. Would have loved (as we all) to hear the Porcaro version with horns. Wow! Porcaro was also the drummer on the title track from The Nightfly, which adds additional déja vu to the similarity of some of the chord progressions...
Hoops,
The J&R WebDrone sent me this today
"We are sorry to inform you that the item(s) you ordered,
Order Number Model Product Description
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3826024 08893956 FAGEN,DONALD - NIGHTFLY - DVD AUDIO
are currently not in stock. We have these on order with the manufacturer, and hope to have them available shortly."
You got the news????
Posted by: Gina, Sun Show Me The Way Mountainyep, spotted those horses a while back but had been absent in online world for quite some time so figured someone must have mentioned it here or there. i guess it's not any major news anymore, whatever changes on the ODP given the fact everyone's now anticipating-debating etc the forthcoming release. but it is nice, me being Dutch and all it was funny to see 'the Netherlands" in there. might be a similar experience when i'm in the States or anywhere and notice something reminding me of "back home". the copyright thingie however shows a name, van Maldegem which strikes me more as Flemish rather than Dutch, Maldegem is a Belgian town. Our southern neighbour Belgium has a dutch-speaking half and a frenchy one. Plus those horses lead me to Rickie Lee's Flying Cowboys ofcourse :-) Yep, any free whirling of the mind on the (appa)loose and connecting stuff ...
Aha! Haitian Divorce. Funny reading about this particular song AND Peter Frampton in one. For my first Steely Encounter was that Haitian Divorce on american forces radio network, right after i heard Peter Frampton doing that mouthpiece top ten hit of his :-) So in my memory those two songs glue like chewing gum onto the Royal Scam's sleeping man's hole in his shoe!
But i wouldn't define Haitian Divorce as reggae, although i know and hear its flavors. Back then it didn't occur to me as reggae. And now it's as if that Show Me The Way song only seemed to introduce me to the Dan. Showing me the way alright :-)
Mostly yellow-ish but with a touch of blue,
Regards, Gina
Posted by: Shark DeVille, chillsvilleHogie Barmichaels... that's on par with Harmonious Monks in Jax. Sheesh.
It sounds like the Piano Jazz show is already in the can, but not airing 'til Feb. Hopefully they did a new tune or two. I'm jazzed to hear Donald and Marian duet on some standards. Is it an hour-long show?
Cool piece on "Haitian"... but what's semi-mojo?
Anyone seen the horses yet at SteelyDan.com?
Posted by: Howard, againFrom http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/10roger.htm:
What's the story behind the infamous erased track from Gaucho? Was it called The Second Arrangement?
(Roger Nichols:)
Yeah, that's it. We tried to re-record it but it never was as good the second time around. But we did a couple versions and did one especially for Gary Katz. We used a drum machine to redo it, depending on which version you have, but there were horns on the original song. There were two versions done, and I've heard one that utilizes separate parts edited together to make the song complete.
Howard
Posted by: Howard,
I love that quote from Donald, taking about the as-then unnamed follow up album to Royal Scam:
"The new album should be quite interesting, there are some slightly extended pieces on it".
Who says the British are masters of understatement, eh?
Aja was indeed, and continues to be, a "quite interesting" album.
Howard
P.S Mu, Wendelised Steve Gadd could be right. But I understood that the Wendel versions were done as attempted remakes, once the tape had been partially erased. So where did they get all those guitars, backing vocals etc from? I can't see them working on a remake right up to the backing vocals. If they knew it wasn't working, it would never have gone beyond a basic rhythm track. Need to dig out those Roger Nichols quotes again to clarify...
Posted by: Jebb, It ain't always about you ya know!
http://www.volunteermatch.org/
Hell - working musicians don't make nearly enough. But damn boy I'd go hungry before I worked at a club called … Hogue Barmichael's!!!!!
What the fuck? The dork who named that club should be forced to listen to the mobilehome cds. Once or twice through ought to do him in. I bet that place books the harmonicats and the Planotones!!
Seriously that name is making me ill - pass the elderberry!
Come on girls - lets give up those bust sizes. Mines 42 aa/a!
Howard Dean, Jimmy Dean, Dizzy Dean - the world is nuts!
dubyabubba
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, Happy Thanksgiving from the Steely Fan Band !
Don't forget to come see the band LIVE....THIS Friday night, November 29,2002-8:30pm
The Studio Cafe
100 Main Street
Newport Beach,Ca.
Also, Join us for our last appearance of 2002!
Friday night December 13,2002.-8:00pm
Hogue Barmichaels
Newport Beach,Ca.
We will be part of a great night of music with:
Heartbreaker- A Tribute To Pat Benatar
Sticky Fingers- A Tribute to The Rolling Stones
and featuring:
Steely Fan Band-Tribute to Steely Dan
Thanks
Mr.Sticks
www.steelyfanband.net
Posted by: Dave, Dean Parks AND Walter Becker did the Haitian Divorce solo. Amazingly cool.
Speaking of cool, so are the Potter and Woods photo. Is it me or does Charlap look like the Remax Realty Man or a high school guidance councelor? Maybe he is.
Dave
Posted by: hoops, m.e. :
TOTALL AWESOME shots!
Peg:
Thanks for the heads up on the GGGR review.
j.k.:
Let's hope they do it. Wonder if Warners will let'em.
Scott:
Thanks for the URL.
Hi, Rag!
H.
Posted by: moray eel, clark and grandHere's Chris Potter from his Chicago Jazz Showcase gig in early October:
http://dandom.com/morayeel/potter.jpg
Here's Phil Woods and Bill Charlap from last Wednesday night:
http://dandom.com/morayeel/woods.jpg
http://dandom.com/morayeel/charlap.jpg
m.e.
Posted by: µ, Howard: My ears suggest that the full monty employs a Wendel-ized Steve Gadd track as on Glamour Profession.
The short snippet, which lopes cooly IMO, is definitely Porcaro - note some similarities with Gaucho and some of the same idosyncracies (ex. the Porcaro shuffle) on the Miss Sun track he played with Boz Scaggs...
Posted by: jk, TELL THEM - OH YEAH! PLEASE MAKE A "PIANO JAZZ WITH DONALD AND WALTER" CD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
**********************************************************************
Contact Us
Send your postal correspondence to:
Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz
c/o South Carolina ETV
1101 George Rogers Boulevard
Columbia, SC 29201-4755
You can e-mail us at pj@scetv.org.
Telephone inquiries should be directed to
Producer Shari Hutchinson at 803-737-3412.
Our fax number is 803-737-3503.
The main telephone number for SCETV
is 803-737-3200.
Posted by: h,
The following is another oldie but goodie. This one appeared first in the 25.12.76
edition of Sounds. Then Metal Leg featured an encore
publication in their April 1992 edition. I'm not sure what happened to Sounds
or if this article is anywhere else on the 'netI don't think it isso
here
I think it's fascinating since it explains the off-debated guitar solo-credit
on "Haitian Divorce." And just in time for coping with holiday visits
with relatives, here's The Recipe for a Zombie, by none other
than the former bartender of New York's famous Mayflower Hotel, Pete Fogel.
Make one now and toast Pete's birthday. As always, thanks, Pete.
Haitian Divorce: it's Meaning
and other interesting stuff
The following article appeared in the December 25, 1976 issues of Sounds,
a British publication:
The Strange World of Steely Dan
A lyrical exposeé by Tim Lott
'Do It Again', 'Reelin" In The Years' and 'Rikki Don"t Lose That Number'
were the big three over the water, class commercial 45s worthy of top placing
in anyone"s Top Ten. But in the U.K.: a big zero.
And now, it's Yuletide 1976 and the transatlantic tables are turned with 'Haitian
Divorce', unreleased in the States and bombing up the charts over here.
All this has come as rather a surprise to one Mr. Donald Fagen of Becker/Fagen
songwriting fame. Fagen is currently working five days a week in the studios
putting together the new Steely Dan album (as yet untitled) and the success
of what was the obvious single from The Royal Scam bodes well for the
future.
Or was it the obvious single? ABC executives in America didn't seem to think
so. Fagen explains: 'Over here we released two singles from The Royal Scam"Kid
Charlemagne" and "The Fez", neither of which did anything.' '"Haitian
Divorce" does have slight reggae overtones and reggae music hasn't got
commercial appeal in the USA in the way it has in Britain. It just didn't occur
to anyone to release it over here.'
'Its success in Britain surprised me all the same because it's quite an exotic
number.' Exotic, yes. Almost to the point of being incomprehensible, in fact,
from a lyrical point of view. The excellent guitar work being the main sales
angle coupled with Fagen"s unusual nasal vocalizing. But what does it all
mean?
Well, the first few verses are plain enough. Babs and Clean Willy get married,
right? But things don"t work out somehow, and off they go to Haiti to grab
themselves a quickie divorce. Then Babs heads off to some sleazy night club
to drown her sorrows.
Fagen takes up the story: 'If you've been paying attention, you'll know she's
in a drugged stupor by now and probably doesn't know anything about it. She
is later
er
impregnated by this exotic gentleman. Later she is reunited
with Clean Willy and they have some rather bizarre offspring ('Who's this kinky
so-and-so').'
And then the chorus marks a second expedient divorce. Fascinating stuff, and
not the only interesting angle on the record. The guitar soloing was in fact
performed by 'two' musicians.
'Yes, it was done in quite an unusual way. Dean Parks played the actual notes
but Walter (Becker) altered the sound by using a voice bag.' (One of those things
Peter Frampton is always sticking in his mouth.)
'I think it's really great to see the single doing so well over there. And I
really like reggaeToots and The Maytals, Bob Marley.'
No doubt about it, singles are sure handy things to havethough not as
lucrative for Steely Dan as they might be.
'I don't make any money whatever becomes a success, I live in a sort of financial
limbo. When we were young and innocent we signed a contract which was less than
sensible in the sense that we could have a lot of success and not make much
money. And our studio costs have to be paid back through royalties. All the
same, the single will help us to sell more albums so more people will hear the
music, which is good.'
Now we dolly back, now we fade to black and to an imaginary but not impossible
TV studio. Mr. Blackburn stands out in front of camera three smiling in his
customarily genuine manner. He joyfully introduces Steely Dan and the first
chords of 'Haitian Divorce' show the teenage blank-faced crowd wobbling from
side to side in time to the rhythm. Blackburn talks over the last three quarters
of the record as stills of Becker and Fagen doing cute things in the countryside
flash up on a side wall.
Steely Dan as pop stars? In America unremarkable, in Britain bizarre. The most
intellectual and customarily inaccessible of musicians providing fodder for
the disco masses. Funny old world, ain"t it?
The Becker/Fagen marriage is really most effective within album format'Although
we began our American career with singles, we've never recorded an album with
a single specifically in mind' Fagen tells us.
'We're using session musicians (as usual) in the studio againLarry Carlton,
Joe Sample, Victor Feldman, Steve Gadd and Wayne Shorter, to name a few. We
still aren't using a full-time band, but some of the musicians we"re getting
to know intimately, er, in a musical sense, and you should see some of them
if we do a tour of the USA and Europe next year as we're hoping to. But we have
the album deadline to meet first.'
'The new album should be quite interestingthere are some slightly extended
pieces on it, numbers up to eight minutes long. We don't know when it will be
released yet.'
'It's very gratifying to see The Royal Scam doing well in Britain. I
really enjoyed playing for English audiencesin fact, I enjoyed everything
about Perfidious Albion I saw in my short visit this year.'
Perfidious Albion?
Followed by the following inset box from p. 45 of Metal Leg,
April 1992, ©1992 Pete Fogel, reprinted here by kind permission:
Zombie
crushed ice
1 1/2 oz. lemon juice
3/4 oz. blood orange juice
3/4 oz. grenadine
3/4 oz. Cherry Heering
3/4 oz. white rum
2 oz. brown rum
3/4 oz. high-proof brown rum
Mix in a shaker with 1 scoop crushed ice. Strain into a highball glass
with fresh crushed ice. Garnish with an orange slice, maraschino cherry,
and mint sprig.
(Coconut shell optional)
Posted by: jk, i keep forgetting the exact date too - is it the 29th? aw hell, let's just designate the whole damn week - PETE FOGEL WEEK - and celebrate appropriately!!!!!
hey donald - give him a call will ya?
its good to see jeb and others jabbing the imperial resident. i have no love for either party but this guy is interesting:
http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/1124/coverstory_entire.htm
jk
Posted by: Scott, Hey Dave:
Over a dozen Glengarry Glen Ross CD's are available at
http://half.ebay.com/
most of which are under $2 (plus postage). I have always had great luck with this website for music purchases.
Posted by: The Greater Dandom, World WideHappy Birthday to Pete Fogel, Undeniably The World's Greatest Steely Dan fan! I think it's today or tomorrow or thereabouts.
Posted by: Dave, Regarding Oleander's post about SD on Piano Jazz, I say it's likely and unlikey. Likely it could be part of the publicity for the new album but unlikely that Fagen would play new stuff. I see Fagen and Becker playing all old 20s-50s jazz and McP suggesting a Dan classic or two. I'm not expecting new stuff. Hope I'm wrong. Then again, I haven't heard this show but a few times. I vote yes on a CD from NPR of this show.
Everyone's overlooking that Jay Leonhart is playing during this show too. He's a funny man and a great bass player. He could be a great guest on PJ all by himself. Maybe he already has been on. Does any one know if Carolyn and Michael are as funny as their Dad? I thought Fagen and Jay were buds or worked together somewhere or somehow.
Would love to get my mitts on the Glen Gary Glen Ross CD. Someone mentioned a U.R.L. a long time ago. Mine is lost. Anyone remember? The movie has the F word in it more than the words a, and and the.
Wasn't the Harmonicats a Disney cartoon or Disneyland act? Or are they just Mickey Mouse? ;-) I thought I had Harmonicats Panaviewer discs as a kid.
Jeb and J.R. You're hilariously twisted. Surely, Don and Walt would approve. Or are you Siamese twins?
Earl, were you harsh? I'll try and not get interested if Becker and Fagen mention that they like somebody I've not heard of before. I'd rather pretend to be disinterested than jump on Parker's bandwagon.
Happity T-Day people.
Dave
Posted by: confused?, so was I!
Oops. Wasn't trying to impersonate anyone on that previous post, it was me (not Jaco). If I'm not 100% awake, I sometimes start typing my post in the first box ("Your Name") - usually I spot it before I post, this time I missed it...
Howard
Posted by: Jaco, Jaco - good, I thought we were talking about that same "full band" 2nd arrangement version.
I don't have any chords/tab for "Big Noise New York" - not sure if anyone else has though...
Howard
Posted by: oleander, my yellow/ blue stripePeg, moray--It's in the mail. Finally.
Yow, Tris, you're ON again.
hoops!--fiiine review.
Now wouldn't it make sense for The Next One to come out right before "Piano Jazz" so they could do a couple of new tunes on the show?
Posted by: Peg, RunningGosh, can't anybody play nice any more? Chill, children. Must be the dreary winter pre-holiday stress syndrome....the doctor says, try taking two A.C. Jobim sambas, a nice Fagen horn arrangement, and a solid Walter guitar solo. You'll feel better fast.
Hey Hoops, Rolling Stone's reviewed the DVD version of Glengarry Glenn Ross and given it like 4 stars. So there ya go. Latest issue.
Posted by: hoops, J.R.:
Charlap only explained one thing about the next album: you know that blue-lavender colored security level you mentioned?
He says it's really "Code Periwinkle." I hope I didn't just get him kicked off the new project.
Earl:
URL pretty much said it.
Regarding what's welcome here, hey, anything tangential from Steely Dan—musically, humorously, culturally, etc, is welcome. Some posts aren't even about music but they are sure funny in a Danesque sorta way. (That "Mean Santa" post from about a year ago is one that sticks out in my mind as being a good example.)
Jebber:
LOL! Looky here, I've been praising the Harmomicats on the Digest for years…I just don't remember why. Elderberry. Mmmmm.
h
Posted by: JEBBER, Oh sure now that the harmonicats have been mentioned on a cool Steely Dan site, everyone is going to be talking about them - here and else where!!!!
The funny thing is that earl will try to sell them as cool to his Friend(s?). Steeeeve will start CatsHarmoniqué - the cover band!
464 days since the evil one declared, "We will get Osama - dead or alive!" Good work my bro! Really tough to find a 6'5" beardo hooked up to a dyalysis machine. And why are you letting Afganistan unravel again? How are we going to get the oil pipe through?
Jeb2008
Posted by: Deja Vu, could you be Gold Teeth, Too, That mystery .WAV also sounds a hell of a lot like the opening to the The Nightfly (The song). Somehow, I think we already have the Second Arrangement. One part in one song and another part in another released song.
Posted by: J R Ewing, DallasBrothah Jeb-ily.,
Happy Birtday to your twin neecees, Jenna + Barbara. Could you drop them off at my place? Now that they're 21 I wanna show them a REALLY good time. Takin' 'em to the Sugarshack to share a wet, drippy, saucy pork sandwich. Oh, tell the secret service to stay home. Make sure they pack their bail bond cards too. How will these upstanding denizens/demi-vixens reflect Bush values now that they can't drink illegally anymore?
With Jakko trying to be Diana Ross, I think Macca want's to be Celine Dion, don'tcha think? But will her clothes fit him?? This could explain the look on heather's face. Or it proves John really WAS better. I think Penthouse should do a spread where Yok o and heather do each other. Hey, all I am saying is give their pieces a chance!
Chromatics? I spell it T-H-E H-A-R-M-O-N-I-C-A-T-S
Aren't the Irish Rovers really the Chieftains in telemarketing mode? Why can't we talk Irish Rovers?? They are my second favorite band - just keepin' it on the blueboard topic of second favorite bands, see????
So Hoopsicle. Yo drag your sick ass all the way to see Charlap and then he tells you nothin about the new album.? I'd demand a refund!
Polishin' my spurs and chains for Jenna an Barbara.
J R
Posted by: jebster, Relax everyone.
It is clear that Earl is just trying to appear cool to SOMEONE?! by pretending to like SD. It is certain that he never listens to them, jazz, or any other creative music.
He has been over his head here for years. He just stops by after spending hours at rush's ditto head sites to stir up trouble.
Of course most of us have been listening to toots and marian for years. Maybe we should have mentioned them more here but we didn't. I also happen to enjoy being educated by Donald and Walter now and then. I tracked down the Henry Mancini CD with Pete's Pad and I enjoy it a lot.
Earl it is ok to dig Bon Jovi and Journey, just don't come here and pretend that you know anything about music or politics for that matter.
I suggest lurking and learning.
Jeb2008
Posted by: Boston Rag, Earl - I come to the Blue to get info on Donald and Walter, or events/information that are linked to them. Sure, I could start a thread on The Irish Rovers, but I wouldn't, because they have nothing to do with Steely Dan. However if I saw Walter Becker up on stage dancing the Irish Jig on St. Patrick's Day with the band, I'd probably post to the Blue about it.
I don't mind sidebar discussions on off-topics but for the most part I like this board because 90% of the posts are Steely Dan related. I still visit the yellow but have found that too many people use it as a diary of their daily lives. (Sorry yellow people).
Mark in Boston
Posted by: URL, Earl
No, Marian isn't all of a sudden a flavor of the month just because of Steely Dan guesting on Piano Jazz.
Marian has been discussed here and elsewhere off and on through the years, and before it was ever known by the loyal fandom that Donny and Walty were to be on.
As examples, just check out some Blue Board posts //BEFORE// the show was announced, August 20, 2002 (Piano Jazz discussion) September 30 (McPartland club review), September 24, etc. by Hoops and others; also check out posts on Oct 15 (Peg mentioning the coincidence of it all).
Sure, some people are gonna pay her attention now that SD will be on Piano Jazz and that's good. But your last post on this topic is pretty distorted.
Posted by: Make that, ahem5:24 am? When did it start? That month, anyway...
Posted by: Bif Bourguignon a la blaisie de Boulogne, forward looking backFor the skinny and more, much more on the Second Arrangement:
http://www.banyantrees.net/archives/april01.html
Scroll up from Monday April 23th 19101 7:04:37.
And marvel, I guess. Ha!
Just kidding.
Posted by: Earl, DEHey Hoops, who'd they have on VH1 Storytellers last week?
Sorry for sounding so harsh, but I hate this "not good enough for Steely Dan fans until Steely Dan endorses it" attitude. It's like if they had friggin' Britney sing backing vocals on their new album that she would then become the flavor of the day here.
An observation: it's funny how no one ever would have thought of mentioning "Piano Jazz" until there was a sniff of D+W appearing on it. Now, it's like she's been anointed Queen of England or something. So she had on Toots Thielemann, if he was on there 10 years ago you wouldn't have given it two thoughts.
Maybe I can chalk my belligerence up to a rough weekend...
Earl
Posted by: Jaco, Howard:Howard: I think the mp3 I have must be the full band version you're talking about. I left "lead vox" out of the description below - whoops.
Also, do you have a lead sheet or anything like that for "Big Noise, New York?" I have what I believe is the demo done by Fagen [ although it is releasable quality!] and it's such a great song, I'd quite like to cover it for an album of mine. [For a Music Tech course! not to make money of course!]
Cheers
Jaco
Posted by: Jaco, The Second ArrangementHi guys
I have two mp3s......one "finished" sounding one, though sound quality is not perfect, and a slightly different "demo" version. The finished one has guitar, bass, piano, rhodes, backing vox [girls] and drums.....not sure if it's a drum machine though.
They are both slightly different from the link below in Howard's post. The "finished" one is really tremendous, one of my favourite Steely Dan tracks, along with "Wetside Story".
If anyone would like one or both copies, just mail me at i_am_melissa84@hotmail.com and I'll send them to you.
Kind regards
Jaco
[ Mike, not Melissa! ;) ]
Posted by: Howard, Re: 2nd Arrangement wavfile and discussions
I believe the short intro snippet of the Second Arrangement was originally (and still) available from:
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mystery.wav
I think the angelfire site just copied it from John Granatino's site - just giving credit where credit is due.
I did email John some months ago, after another 2nd arrangement discussion on the yellow, to aks him where he got that snippet from, and whether any more of it was available, but I never heard back. If you're reading this John, would love more info on that audio clip!
As others have mentioned, there used to be mp3 clips at Andy Metzger's site of a piano and bass demo version of 2nd Arrangement, as well as a version that included guitars, keyboards, vocals, backing vocals etc. I believe this full-band version (a snippet of which is also available from John's site above) is essentially the same as the version that was partially erased by the engineer in the infamous Gaucho recording disaster story. It's not a finished recording - Donald's vocal sounds like a guide vocal, and there are gaps where solo instruments (guitar? sax?) would probably have been added, but apart from that it's all there.
The other short intro snippet ("mystery.wav") sounds to me like one of the attempts at rerecording the song. To be honest, I don't like it as much, though I'd love to hear more so I could make a proper judgement. The drums do have a little more life to them, but the rest doesn't sound half as good. My guess is that they never got beyond recording the main rhythm parts, so I doubt there would be any vocals etc.
One thing I also read was from Roger Nichols, where he said they attempted several remakes of the track, including one using Wendel for the drums. It's possible the full-length, full-band version was a remake created using Wendel, as it does have a heavy beat similar to other Wendel-ised tracks like Hey 19. But, I don't see how they could have recovered the tracks for keyboards, backing vocals etc for the full length of the song, after the tape was partially erased, so I'm not so sure if that theory adds up...
Howard
Posted by: Jaco, UKMornin' y'all
I was wondering what happened to Andy Metzger's excellent website. I got some great downloads from there, as well as latest news, link etc. What happened to it? Anyone know??
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: jebby, So - what the heck is this - the Phil Woods message board? SCREW him - all those jazz guys are liberals! He won't be able to breath to play soon anyway, since we gutted the clean air act.
Huupz - Ya fell muck bedder you dring da elderberry extract.
Marge Simpson got implants tonight. Unscientific survey: what are the bust sizes of our gals who post here?
And how much does EVERYONE make?
Don't forget to watch McCartney on Wednesday.
Is it me or is his wife a little grouchy. She sure is nice nakid though. Check the pix on the internet.
I think that we should send Michael Jackson over to talk to saddam before the war. They speak the same language.
What ever happened to laToya? I hear she was playing with Clas but HE wasn't cutting it!
Has everyone checked their "heaven-worthyness."
COMING SOON: HOLY WAR/JUDGEMENT DAY! COOL!
Hey Walter - how about a solo CD?
When is the U2 special?
Anybody know anybody besides TOots and Stevie what play the chromatic harp?
Stevie doing a !#$#%!$%^%&^ Target commercial - that's sad.
Is it a good thing that big butts are in?
Anyone got a sacagewa dollar on em right now?
Bring back Nash Bridges!
Posted by: hoops, ChicagoMoray Eel:
Email me and we'll get those photos up. That would be so great of you.
On Wednesday, I experienced one of those funny sore throats where as soon as you feel it, YOU KNOW you have the flu (despite or because of the flu shot a couple of weeks ago). So sorry to be so scarce here. Regardless, I knew I had to get to see Bill Charlap and Phil Woods at the Jazz Showcase. So saturated with over-the-counter meds, bundled up, anticipating a totti or a brandy when I got there, I headed out into the light snow and hit the 4:00 p.m. matinee set (or the "kid's show," as it is designated).
The show was great. The Jazz Showcase seats something like 120 and there were maybe 75 people there. Despite the Chicago Tribune reviewer's comments, the bills posted around the Jazz Showcase said listed it as being Phil Woods with Bill Charlap Trio.
Phil played with the trio for about 25 minutes; then it was just Charlap's trio for another 25 minutes, followed by Phil rejoining the trio for two set closers, "Lover Man" and "Yardbird Suite" (I think that's the title). They played about 70 minutes. All of it was fantastic, BUT the last two were the best. Bill's playing is very capable technically and he just glides across the keys. His playing has this spriteness to it. It occurred to me that if indeed he ends up on the new project, this means a REAL PIANO SOUND might be up front. That got me excited. And Phil has this consistent fuzzy, warm kind of vibrato thing going that reminds me of fuzzy, warm butterscotch pudding. The fuzz is always consistently the same thickness as if shorn to a precise length, if you know what I mean. (Hey! I told you I was on meds. Maybe this should be on Oleander's "Fever Dreams" instead.) So my point of all this is, even if you're sick, be sure to catch Phil and Bill when they hit your town. They are moving on to St. Paul tomorrow through Wednesday at The Dakota.
Earlier today I caught Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz and it was an especially great show. Her guest was Toots Thielemans. Although he plays guitar, he is best known for Jazz harmonica. He has played with George Shearing, Charlie Parker, Ella Fitzgerald and Paul Simon, among many others. The highlight for me was this version of "Daydream." Steely Dan fans may know David Sanborn's sublime version on "Music From and Inspired By Glengarry Glen Ross." I also thought he did a gret version of "Autumn Leaves" and Marian performed this original instrumental inspired by Toots. Two things stick out from this show. One, it reminded me of Louis Adler and his chromatic playing. Two, it also reminded me of Fagen and his melodica. HIs playing melodica on the New York Rock and Soul Revue was great, especially the urgency it lent to "Greenflower Street." Somehow, that seems ages ago, when Donald didn't have quite as much grey hair.
Speaking of "Glengarry Glen Ross," the new double-set DVD-V of it is out. I haven't had time to watch it yet. I don't think "Music From and Inspired By Glengarry Glen Ross" will ever get re-released here in the States which is a DAMN shame. It's one of my favorite albums, as many of you know.
I was really surprised how many people wrote the Digest or wrote me privately in response to my comment about "39 years since 'The Nightfly' ended." Most all wrote to comment how that album does take them back to the Kennedy years and Camelot and how that album still captures all of that, how moving it all is. That in itself left me with my own fever dream about what "The Nightfly" means to me.
Be well.
h
Posted by: moray eel, Clark and GrandRegarding Phil Woods...
Yes, he did play at the Jazz Showcase in Chicago on Wednesday, November 20th. He played during both sets, although he sat out for a couple of numbers during both shows.
In a side conversation, he commented on why he hasn't played at the Village Vanguard in a long time and a few other interesting tidbits about the current jazz scene.
Hoops: I have a couple of pictures that I can share.
m.e.
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KYMr. LePage:
I don't know where you are posting from, but the U.S. version of Herbie Hancock's "New Standard" CD does NOT include the cover of Your Gold Teeth II. You'll have to import it.
Lucky Brits,
El Sup
:-)
Posted by: Jaco, Mizar 5It's called "The New Standard" (1996)
Tracklist:
New York Minute (8:35)
Mercy Street (8:37)
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (8:07)
When Can I See You (6:17)
You've Got It Bad Girl (7:15)
Love Is Stronger Than Pride (8:00)
Scarborough Fair (8:24)
Thieves In The Temple (7:33)
All Apologies (5:08)
Manhattan (4:06)
*** Your Gold Teeth II (Island Of Lights And Love) (5:14) ***
Also check out
http://www.users.bigpond.com/apertout/Hancock1.htm
http://www.warr.org/hancock.html#TheNewStandard
http://www.salon.com/april97/sharps/sharps970429.html
Mike Brecker's on that album too.....very exciting....as well as Don Alias, a close personal friend of Jaco Pastorius....
..*sigh*..
Hope this helps
Regards,
Jaco
Posted by: Mr. LePage, 8 or 16Anyone know name of the Herbie Hancock CD that contains "Your Gold Teeth II" ? And how is HH's cover of it?
JLe
Posted by: George Harrison, Cloud Number 9 Number 9 Number 9Jeff Porcaro just told me that was the best groove he laid down in the Guacho sessions, besides for the title track.
Jaco, how did you get out again without supervision??
Hoops, great site. It's nice not to have to wait for John Edwards to get on some f**ing tele program to communicate with the living. Hope everyone out there enjoys Brainwashed.
Posted by: Jaco, UKYeah, sounded good. I have [on mp3 format] a "demo" of the whole song and also a "finished" but not releasing quality one. They both sound good, especially the "finished" one, which is really awesome. I hope it has been properly recorded, if I had had those problems in the first place though I wouldnt be willing to walk over dead ground.............here's hoping eh?
Does Messrs Fagen and Becker ever post here?
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: required, Hey Jaco - give it up - you're dead!
Listen to the wav file that bif just gave us. very cool. So much better of a groove than the other versions!
Mr. REQ
http://www.iacenter.org/images/iraqfactsheet.pdf
Posted by: j-UK, is OK Thanks, ß.
Posted by: Bif Naked, @choohttp://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/images/Mystery.wav
Posted by: Jaco, UKRequired: Where is this snippet of the final version of the second arrangement??
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: h, Here's an article on Phil and Charlap's Trio from the Trib.
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Woods plays rings around trio
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By Howard Reich
Tribune arts critic
November 21, 2002
Everyone in jazz knows that Phil Woods ranks among the great alto saxophonists, but the set he played Tuesday night at the Jazz Showcase reminded listeners why.
Backed by a solid trio that mostly stayed out of his way, Woods--a veteran of tough years in the music business--sounded as persuasive and dynamic as this listener has heard him, maybe more so. Thanks to the extraordinary stylistic polish of Woods' playing, the saxophonist turned the evening into a showcase for melodically sublime, technically unerring solos.
From the moment that Woods put the horn to his lips (following some surprisingly muted contributions from the Bill Charlap Trio), the audience was focused on the work of a superior reedist who had been billed merely as Charlap's guest.
But that was really the only possible reaction to the unusually ripe tone, remarkable harmonic sophistication and pervasive blues sensibility of Woods' work. Here was bebop-based playing that captured the idiomatic phrasing and taut swing rhythms that are fundamentals of this style. Yet Woods also produced a distinctly keening tone and an idiosyncratic approach to pitch that marked these performances as his.
Woods opened his portion of the evening playing Tadd Dameron's "Hot House," a bebop-era standard that the altoist took at a breezy, medium-swing tempo. Though his rhythm players inexplicably soft-pedaled their contributions, thereby robbing this performance of the viscerally exciting interchanges that are integral to this music, the lackluster accompaniment gave listeners ample opportunity to savor Woods' art. The way Woods approached rhythm, intonation and harmony was steeped in the vernacular of classic, 1940s bebop, yet the originality of his note choices and the luster of his tone made this music sound fresh, unpredictable and of the moment.
On the ballad "Summer Serenade," by another great altoist--Benny Carter--Woods spun long, sinuous phrases of ineffable beauty and poise.
Exactly why Charlap, bassist Peter Washington and drummer Kenny Washington were so demure is anyone's guess, since each is a formidable player in his own right. Perhaps these younger players yielded the spotlight to Woods as a gesture of respect. But they would do Woods, and the audience, a greater service by matching the altoist's intensity, note for note.
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Phil Woods and the Bill Charlap Trio play through Sunday at the Jazz Showcase, 59 W. Grand Ave.; $20; 312-670-2473.
Posted by: Phil Fan, :(Not Moray...I said I "WANT" to see Phil...I never said I WENT.
Posted by: NOT Moray Eel, Dear Phil Phan,
I heard Phil is only doing some shows and every other set on his tour with Bill C. Don't clubs like Jazz Showcase have two shows each night? Maybe you caught one and he caught the other that night, where Phil played his. Or maybe not. Just a suggestion.
nme
Posted by: Phil Fan, :(Moray eel....I want to see Phil Woods with Bill's trio. You said you just saw him this past Wednesday. Phil didn't play this past Wednesday. Are you sure you went to the right show? Cry a jag on me.
Posted by: jebby, I always thought that they were sending a message to a future time when boy bands ruled the world - "Keep your shirts on!"
** ATTENTION FELLOW PATRIOTS! MAY I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING …
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/10/25_Deserter.html
Evil - and getting away with it,
Jebby
Posted by: Boston Rag, Clas - I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but Jay Black of Jay & The Americans and Jay Graydon are two different people.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Clas, Stockholm, SwedenNo, I am not responsible.
As they said in old Roma; El Dante Del Fortuna (that's Latin, meaning; Don't make me do it without the Tiara).
But isn't this quite amazing, this guy, Jay, is now, 33 years after he and his band Jay & the Americans had its peak, recording solo-records?
Posted by: petit b, Kanadah"Keep your shirt on" is just another way of saying "keep your cool, be patient", right? As in "Jay, keep your shirt on." I mean, the man's starting to come down on people for their modest e-pinions. Maybe he got the wrong idea here. Clas, are you responsible for this?
Seriously, I saw the expression used just the other day on those CNN graphics, over a Sanjay Gupta piece about the "growing impatience of americans".
"Keep your shirt on!" it read, real big. Could barely make out Sanjay under there. You know how it is...
Posted by: moray eel, ShowcaseSaw Phil Woods Wednesday night playing with Bill's Trio. They played a lot of Gershwin and Berlin. Very nice. Phil talked quite a bit, and seemed to be lovable and a little cantankerous. He still produces that incredibly beautiful, clean tone on the alto after all these years.
All in all, it was a very good night.
m.e.
Posted by: J R Ewing, DallasHoly Shit! My buddy Jeb "Required" Bush is baaaccccckkkkkkkkk! LOL HA HA HA HA Always keepin it funny.
HEY I've wondered about that Heartbeat shit. "Keep your shirt on" That's a reference to the shroud of St Michael The Archangel Jackson RIGHT?? I got $5 and the deposit on 3 pepsi bottles riding on that one OK? You tellin' me it means nothing? FUUUUCKKKKKK!
I be playin "hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am" backwards for more meaning. Clue to heart beat, no? all lowercase means something, right> 1600?? Its about NIXON!!!?
Speaking of homeland security, I heard Tom ridge is protecting info about The new SD CD from leaking out from those who have played on it. Apparently whomever breaches info about the sessions is surgically removed from the album, that's why they keep having to re-re-remaster it and why it 'll never come out. Maryn McPartland is even going to be dangled by the boys out a hotel window for talking about it in the paper.
There is a whole series of color-coded security levvels for breach of security and degree of info breech about the next Steely Dan album in the secret catacombs of Steely dan.com. But don't expect to undestand the colored warning levels anytime soon. Apparently Steely Dan is using the entire Munsell color chart for the code levels. Hundreds of colors, count'em We're at a powerdery lavendar-blue color level right now. What does it mean? LISTEN! LISTEN TO TURN THAT HEARTBEAT OVER AGAIN That'll tell ya.
Well Jebz, Looking forward to voting for ya in 2008 after your bro's regime is up, assuming we don't hit Homeland security warning level White Hot in the mean time. Will you be at Dallas?
J R
P.S
Her'es a funny my two -year old told me:
Q: Steely Dan's next CD, DVD-A? SACD? HDCD????
A; Yes, but not EIEIO
Well, it seemed cute when I was dangling her.
Posted by: required, Open letter to the cool dude or dudette who leaked the tantilizing 20 second snippet of the final version of 2nd arrangement:
Please give us the whole thing. that 20 seconds hints of a much greater version than any of the previous demos.
Please release it. we are dying for some new dan here.
Also. How about that lame breakdown of turn that heartbeat over again?
The author of that loser missive doesn't know steely dan, has never written a song before, and is willing to believe that anything that sounds like a drug/alcohol reference is one.
Guess what. the song ain't about anything in particular. they strung some lryics together that sounded "mysterious" and had a great texture to them, put them to the music and called it a day. Parts of one half finished song - a fragment here - a fragment there. I 've done it a million times. The beatles were acclaimed for it on side 2 of abbey.
Aw hell , if the kid had fallen and died, it might be a better fate than growing up with jacko!
I'm not posting anymore what with homeland security watching everything i do.
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!
regime change now - 1600 penn ave!!!
- gray jaydon
Posted by: hoops, Chicago
My sincere apologies to "A PIG." I thought you were Clas. Forgotten about Jay and "Ear candy." Sorry! And funny!
Speaking of Bill Charlap and his thinking that he is on the new Steely Dan project, he and Peter Washington and Kenny Washington are holding down the fort at Chicago's Jazz Showcase through Sunday. Also guesting is long-time co-hort Phil Woods. Should be cool.
Hard to believe tomorrow it will be 39 years since it was basically the end of story on "The Nightfly."
h
Posted by: h,
The Reunion
Metal Leg articles 5 & 6 of six
Walter Becker Interview
"The Day After"
Ray White- We heard that there was an interesting show at the Lone Star
Roadhouse last night.
Walter Becker- Well, it was a pretty rousing affair, you know we had
a couple of horn players and Phoebe Snow and Donald Fagen, Cyndi Lauper was
great, Rick Danko...
RW- And we understand from someone who called up that you played guitar,
did couple of blistering solos, is that true?
WB- Well, let's see, (looking at his fingers) you're right.
RW- Check those blisters.
WB- That's what happens if you don't practice, kids.
RW- Is that the first time that you and Donald have played live in a
while?
WB- Let's-see, we did a similar thing about a year and a half ago at
a club on First Avenue (the defunct Hades, no Dan tunes were played)
that has since been closed by the health department and renamed, but you know
on an informal basis like that.
RW- Welcome to the Steely Dan fan club. And we understand last night
Donald did "Green Earrings" and "Deacon Blues" and you were
brought out on stage.
WB- I was dragged screaming and kicking up on the stage actually.
RW- Oh, come on, you kind of expected that, right?
WB- No, I didn't. If I had thought that was gonna happen, I would have
just gone ahead and agreed to do it in the first place, but there was such an
overwhelming spirit of approval that I felt compelled to get up there and do
it.
RW- Are you amazed at the continuing success of Steely Dan and the sales
and the fanaticism that people display?
WB- Yeah, it's pretty surprising. It's been over ten years since we did
any of that stuff and it's still seems to be paying my rent, so to speak.
RW- You and Donald and Phil Spector and Quincy Jones and maybe The Beatles
said no to live playing.
WB- Well, you know I was at dinner with Donald, Phil Spector and The
Beatles last night and we're going on tour together.
RW- Where are you playing?
WB- And LeeAnn and Andy will be there, too.
RW- You've been producing a couple of piano players. We'll start off
with Andy. How did you meet Andy Laverne, who we remember for some work with
Chuck Loeb recently?
WB- I actually met him down at the first Andy Laverne recording session.
And he strolled insouciantly in, I was already sitting there playing computer
games and
Andy Laverne- Walter, if you actually recall, we actually met on the
plane on the way from
RW- I was gonna say, the liner notes actually refute that story.
WB- Yeah, there you go.
RW- Welcome, Andy. Let's play something from the "Pleasure Seekers"
CD. This is Andy Laverne, produced by Walter Becker.
RW- That featured Bob Sheppard on horn, Dave Weckl and John Patitucci
in the rhythm section. They're in town tonight.
RW- Now your reputation was for taking forever to cut a record, but you've
really disproved that with both Andy and LeeAnn's projects, those were two-day
projects.
WB- That's right and I might add that Roger Nichols and I have worked
on eight or nine such projects this year and I must say that it's the most exciting
way to record. The end product has a lot of truth and authority 'cause it all
happened at once, everybody played together, it's just really exciting.
RW- Now with Andy it was kind of a thing of necessity that you had Dave
Weckl and John Patitucci with their incredibly tight schedules.
AL- Right, we had to go in and out quickly.
RW- A little bit of pressure on you.
AL- A little bit. But actually it was kind of a relaxed session.
RW- Are you gonna be playing live at all here in New York?
AL- Yeah, as a matter of fact, we're playing November 4th at the Blue
Note. Triloka, which is the label that we're all recording for, is doing a month
of Mon sdays at the Blue Note. I'm playing with kind of a different band there:
Will Lee, Anton Fig from the David Letterman Show and David Mann, the saxophone
player.
RW- Sitting right next to you is LeeAnn Ledgerwood without her Tweetie
Bird
LeeAnn Ledgerwood- Just couldn't make it this morning. Couldn't get him
out of bed.
RW- Actually, you know the story with that is that you have a favorite
stuffed animal that you bring around with you as a good luck charm.
LL- Yes, and it adds to my maturity as an artist, too.
RW- DJs can talk about it. Are there weird thingsand Walter and
Andy can chime in if you want tothat people have brought in to prop up
on pianos, keeping in mind this is a family show.
WB- At Triloka Records in the publicity department we try to come up
with a gimmick for every artist and for LeeAnn it was the Tweetie Bird.
LL- I brought my own gimmick Everybody needs some kind of schtick to
get over nowadays and Tweetie just happens to be the candidate for me.
RW- It's like The Beatles, they're gonna be throwing Tweeties at you.
LL- I would hope so.
RW- LeeAnn, where are you from? You grew up out in the Midwest somewhere?
LL- Yeah, originally from Warren, Ohio, that's really a good place to
be from.
RW- Warren is near where?
LL- Sort of in between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Right next to nowhere,
Ray, basically, okay?
WB- Is Pittsburgh in Ohio?
LL- It might as well be, once you get past the Hudson River, it just
kinda evens out, doesn't it?
WB- Yeah, it flattens out for about three thousand miles.
LL- Just kidding, really it was a wonderful experience to come away from.
RW- And you moved to New York to make it in the big time.
LL- Yes, I did.
RW- We understand you used to hang out at Bradley's a lot and that's
where you were discovered.
LL- Hanging being the operative word, right, Andy?
AL- I think so.
LL- Hanging from the rafters. You have to be some sort of bird species
to make it through.
WB- LeeAnn had her own hook there at the back of Bradley's.
LL- At the back of Bradleys' neck.
RW- Down in the Village there. So let me ask you two what was it like
working with Walter Becker, with this incredible reputation that preceeds him
when he enters a studio?
LL- Basically, I had never heard of Walter before that experience so
it made it rather easy for me (laughter). No, we had spoken on the phone
numerous times I think, before that and there was some kind of connection there
somehow. I felt very confident that he knew what kind of sound that it was that
I wanted to get together.
RW- And he would be the right guy to do that?
LL- Yes, it worked out very well between him and Roger, I mean, I was
totally taken out with the sound.
AL- I feel the same way. With Walter sitting right here I don't want
to get too complimentary, I don't want to boost his ego too much, but it was
great working with him and he really got a tremendous sound. He knows his way
around the studio so well it really took a lot of pressure off me, trying to
deal with getting sounds or worrying about things going correctly, so Walter
really handled everything great.
RW- So you would know their side of the story being artists?
WB- Absolutely, it's kind of nice if you only have two days in the studio
and you're trying to perform some fairly sophisticated music. The best thing
a producer in that circumstance can do is create a situation where the musicians
can just think about playing and not have to worry too much about the machines
a so on.
RW- What first impressed you with LeeAnn's playing?
WB- Well, I think that LeeAnn's playing has a very interesting harmonic
dimension to what LeeAnn is writing and playing. And the other thing I noticed
about LeeAnn's stuff that she did on this record is that it defies categorization.
It has a lot of elements that would naturally place it you would think in different
musical styles. But it really has a lot of integrity on its own.
RW- Here's something from from LeeAnn's CD "You Wish" and this
track is called "Robin's Row".
RW- So it was fun working with Walter Becker, huh?
LL- It was the greatest really; I'm spoiled forever now. I don't know
whether I'll ever do another record and that would be it.
RW- Michael Franks was over here yesterday and you did a great job on
probably my favorite song of his, "Vincent's Ear". What a great tune.
WB- Yeah, that was my favorite, too. You know that's from a show that
he's written about Gauguin that I hope he gets produced, 'cause its got some
great music in it.
RW- And you actually had to talk him into recording it. He was going
to throw it away?
WB- Well, no. He played it for me and I thought "This is great."
They had already done all but three of the tunes on the album at the point where
I got involved, so I figured "'Oh well, he's gonna have the three songs
left that nobody else wanted to do. "
RW- And there was this gem.
WB- There was this jewel, so it worked out nicely.
Donald Fagen Interview
"Two Days Later"
Pat St.John- Welcome, Donald.
Donald Fagen- Big party in the daytime.
SM- Yeah, there's a lot of folks in here and there's a couple hundred
thousand out there saying 'Man, I wish I could be at that party.'
PSJ- Well, that's why we're broadcasting. There's also a lot of folks
listening to WNEW that have another reason to party because there's an album
coming out with Donald Fagen and the New York Rock and Soul Revue. It's gonna
be out on Tuesday and it looks like this (holding up the CD for all to see.)
DF- (Enthusiastically) Yay!
SM- Tell 'em who's on it Donald.
DF- It's got me doing a few oldies on there- Steely Dan oldieswe've
got Phoebe Snow, Boz Scaggs, who else is on there?
PSJ- Michael.
DF- Michael McDonald, what a guy. He used to be in the Steely Dan group
for a while. He sings Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops." There's
some great old soul music on there reinterpreted by these contemporary masters.
PSJ- Boy, is that the truth. You start off with "Madison Time,"
you bit all kinds of great tunes on there, it's a fantastic album.
DF- Oh, thanks a lot. It was done at the Beacon Theater live in March
and we took the tracks from that concert. It has a real live sound and you can
listen to it at home just like you're at a little concert hall.
PSJ- Is that coming out on video as well in the future?
DF- I don't believe so, no. Well, no one filmed it so it's impossible
really.
PSJ- I wanna ask you about the show you put on the other night at the
Lone Star Roadhouse 'cause you were joined by another special guest.
DF- Yeah, my partner Walter. He's in town, we're working on a solo album
of mine, he's producing and so we did one of the Libby Titus shows at the Lone
Star the other night. Kind of a jam, we had Cyndi Lauper, Rick Danko, Phoebe
Snow
PSJ- The Hooters
DF-The Hooters, it was a smokin' show and, yeah, Walter came up and played
some guitar. It was fun.
PSJ- Tell us, 'cause I know there are people who read the Steely Dan
magazine, "Metal Leg," and everybody is so very interested
because people have been waiting for the two of you to get together for so long
and the fact that this is the first time you've really played in public in how
many years?
DF- Oh, let's see, we actually played in a club a couple of years ago
(The defunct "Hades", no Steely Dan tunes were performed),
which no one would know about probably except the few people who were there,
but essentially we haven't done a show for many, many years.
PSJ- So if you were there, it was a rare happening.
DF- Yeah, it was rare. I think it was actually medium rare.
PSJ- The last couple times I've talked to you, I've said it's been so
long since your solo album came out that you're making us a little ticked off.
But now you've got this album coming out and that's gonna soothe us a little
bit and we won't be so mad at you. The thing is we're just so hungry for your
music, because you've been such a master throughout the years.
DF- I'm kinda hungry, too, actually. Is there any food around here? Gimme
some, what do you call 'em, those weird little potato chips that pass for french
fries.
PSJ- We could get you a pig sandwich.
DF- Hey, now you're talking turkey.
PSJ- What's the deal on the solo album? I have to ask you because people
are gonna be mad at me.
DF- It's being recorded partially here in New York and also at Walter's
recording studio in Maui, Hawaii, and it should be out next year, the middle
of the year sometime, 1992.
PSJ- In the meantime we've got this album on Giant Records. The album
is supposed to be out next Tuesday, correct?
DF- In the stores on Tuesday, that's what they tell me.
PSJ- Scott, do you have anything we could play from that album? A little
"Pretzel Logic?"
PSJ- That sounds great, Donald.
DF- This place is jumpin'.
PSJ- We thank you for coming by
DF- And everyone here is so beautiful. How do you do that?
PSJ- It's better to look good than to feel good. You're at the keyboards
on that one. I wanted to ask you if you ever came up with a name for that thing
you play, like a keyboard which you carry around with you and kind of play with
your mouth as well?
DF- Yeah, the original name was a melodica, it's a kind of harmonica
with piano keys that you push instead of blowing the little holes. And melodica's
kind of an awkward kind of name, so if anyone has a suggestion, just write into
the station.
PSJ- Well, it's truly a treat to see you in concert. I saw you for the
TV show (In Concert '91) over at The Academy, but a lot of it did not get on
the air, it was edited down. So you do have some video of it, right?
DF- Yeah, we did a sort of mini Rock and Soul Revue to video that they
were gonna use for some purpose, but it didn't come out that great, if you wanna
know the truth, but we're trying to edit it down so people get some idea what
the show is like.
PSJ- Let's talk about some of the shows that you've got planned, because
the New York Rock and Soul Revue keeps an open format as far as people stopping
by.
DF- That's true, but we have nothing really planned at the moment. We'd
like to add some people, though, and we're supposed to be having a meeting next
week.
PSJ- Next week you are playing at the Lone Star with Phoebe?
DF- That's a rumor.
PSJ- You heard it here. It may or may not be true.
DF- In fact, I have a new roomer at my house who's driving me crazy.
PSJ- Is that right?
DF- Just this guy who showed up who wanted a room, so I gave him a room.
Now he's my roomer.
PSJ- It's very interesting to see you as you perform these shows because
you've kind of turned into a bandleader of sorts. You're kind of at the helm
behind the piano, in control of all these people
DF- Yeah, like Doc Severinson.
PSJ- It's cool, maybe you could take over when Johnny Carson steps down,
do you think?
DF- Well, my model is really Steve Allen. It's the way he plays the piano
and talks from the piano, cause the piano is kind of a crutch, which I need
to actually carry on a conversation with the audience.
PSJ- You've stepped out of that with the melodica
DF- Yeah, but that's a teeny weeny little piano, though.
PSJ- Another thing that's on this album is a track from your other solo
record.
DF- Right, it's from "The Nightfly" and the band plays it in
a very similar way to the original record, except maybe a little faster and
with a little bit more energy that you get from a live band.
PSJ- Since the album is not out yet, would anybody like to hear that,
"Green Flower Street?" Hey, it's on the air, WNEW-FM.
PSJ- New York Rock and Soul Revue, it's the brand new album by Donald
Fagen who's put together this album and for the past year has been doing these
great shows, you just kind of show up on the spur of the moment.
DF- Yeah, we just pop up somewhere. Somehow there's always a full set
of amps there, I don't know who brings them there, but we start playing.
PSJ- Do you get a copyI won't ask you if you subscribebut
do they send you a copy of "Metal Leg?"
DF- I occasionally see one. "Metal Leg" is a Steely
Dan fan magazine put out by some very strange people. I don't know if they are
strange, but they do put out this magazine, let me put it that way.
PSJ- Do you think it's strange that there's this incredible fan magazine
that comes out all year long about a group that has really not existed for so
many years?
DF- The amazing thing is that they kept it going for seven or eight years
with no news whatsoever available to put in the magazine, at least now there
IS a little news, so that's the most amazing thing about it.
PSJ- Well, you know it is pretty amazing because they manage to snap
pictures and find stories and actually this is probably gonna be transcribed
and printed in the next issue, the fact that you're here.
DF- That's true, because I notice that everywhere I play, these people
show up. What can I say? I don't know whether to be flattered or run for my
life.
PSJ- I think you should be flattered because it is done with love and
DF- I'm just kidding. I'm on very good terms with them and they're great
guys and the magazine's also very funny also.
PSJ- It's just one of those things, even the title itself is kind of
a play on words, but we won't really get into that
DF- Yeah.
PSJ- All over the world- I don't know how much traveling you do
DF- I just go around the world constantly without stopping, perpetually
PSJ-
are you surprised when people do come up to you, recognize
you and tell you how much they love your music?
DF- Yeah, well, I guess it's usually in record stores as I'm signing
the credit card slip.
PSJ- And then they just put it away. Have you ever gotten away with anything
without them putting it through?
DF- (laughing) No, no, they always put it through.
PSJ- Always pays his bill, Donald Fagen. It's great for you to come by
the Hard Rock Cafe.
DF- It's great to be here.
PSJ-
to help us celebrate our 24th anniversary.
DF- It's greatall the young people.
PSJ- How much of your solo record is completed?
DF- I've got six tracks, I need two more really to fill it out which
are already written and they will be recorded very shortly.
PSJ- What inspires you to write songs? Because through the years if you
go back and listen to your materialthe solo material as well as the Steely
Dan stuffyou get into some pretty interesting and heavy subjects at times
and find incredible waysat least to my mindto express yourself.
DF- I guess especially during the '80s, for instance, I wasn't that inspired
to write any songs. I think I had to wait for a while to see what happened really
and how things were evolving and 'course by the end of the '80s, I got some
ideas so I'm putting them into this record.
PSJ- Now that we're in the '90s, you're inspired again.
DF- Yeah, it's the challenge of the '90s. We're here to meet the challenge
of the '90s.
PSJ- That's great, pound your fist on the table and tackle this sucker.
DF- Now we're talkin'.
PSJ- We were talking about what to play from this album and you picked
out an oldie. We were gonna play one of your's and you said no, why don't we
play somebody else's. What do you wanna play here?
DF- Yeah, we have some great people in the show so we should give them
the chance to be heard. We have an old Memphis soul tune called "Knock
On Wood." Everybody remembers it, it's still a big bar band favorite and
here's a version by Mike McDonald and Phoebe Snow.
PSJ- That's excellent.
DF- Thank you. There's a lot of great stuff on there so it'll be out
next Tuesday in your record stores.
PSJ- We wanna thank you, Donald Fagen, always a friend and a great part
of the radio station throughout all the years.
DF- Thanks.
PSJ- And it is always a pleasureI do Work Force Blocks every dayand
you know, your music is one of the repeat offenders. I've always got requests
for Donald Fagen and Steely Dan music and I'm always thrilled to play your music.
DF- Okay, well it's great to see you, Pat and happy anniversary.
PSJ- Thank you very much. Let's hear it for Donald Fagen, ladies and
gentlemen.
Posted by: Jaco, UK*Cheers on hoops*
*hides behind larger Dandom member*
Posted by: Bill, The Great BeyondJay,
Man I can't wait to find out how to play your CD on a record
player! I mean having to decipher all those ones and zeroes
was really putting the whammy to my listening experience.
And besides that, I was never too good at that binary addition
stuff.
Thanks so much for your research!
Your Pal,
Bill
Posted by: hoops@dandom.com,
Clas:
I've gone several months without dropping a post without it being requested first by the poster. Most all of the posts I've ever dropped here have been by you, Clas, because they have no other purpose than to serve as assinine insults.
Clas, you most always come here to insult people. You know Clas, if weren't in a big measure for your shit, a lot of fans who post here, including myself, would be back at the SIS GB a long time ago. We're sick of your crap. Stay the hell away from us.
hoops
Posted by: Me To, ..... Clas....Hoop's took down my post as well. All I said was "It sounds like "ear candy" to me.
Posted by: Clas Lundkvist , Stockholm, SwedenI was asking Graydon a question, and you are taking down my post Hoops, what's your problem?
Jay Graydon - are you still using those boring machines on your recordings?
Posted by: A PIG, that walks like a man.....Hey J
ay! Sounds like "ear candy" to me!
Posted by: Dave, I didn't realize that Larry Carlton performs on Mike Post's theme from Hill Street Blues.
Dave
Posted by: Jaco, UKWhoa!! Jay Graydon?? Superb! I will definately check some of his stuff out.
*Thinks*
What are the chances of me writing to Jay for an autograph?
Regards
Jaco
PS Some really great posts recently, especially the long one, really interesting and well written!
Posted by: µ, we gotta have some music on the new frontierThanks Jay - will check it out...the fix is in...
Posted by: Kerstin, SwedenBTW: Jay also has a new play-along book minus guitar with notations for the tunes on the BEBOP album. Released just the other week on Hal Leonard and available at for instance SheetMusicPlus.com
All best,
Kerstin
Posted by: Speaking of Grammys, Speaking of Grammys, Paul Simon has a new album due out in spring 2003. So >IF< a new Steely Dan album comes out in the next 10 months, it'll be a kind of rematch. And maybe Joni Mitchell will be there to cheer SD on again.
Posted by: Jay Graydon, For those of you who can partake in the Grammy nominations:
Dear friends,
Jay Graydon here. Grammy nomination time once again. My album entitled BEBOP has found its way into the nomination pile so here comes the political rap. If you vote for me, I Hollywood promise that within my next CD, even though it will be an instrumental album, the lyrics on all songs will offer a solution for world peace! Further, I will offer my secret of how to play a CD on a record player to each and every one of you! As you know, if you play a CD on a record player without using my patented discovery, all you hear are zeros and ones.
Kidding aside, my record company has a voting block of one unlike the majors that surely perform voting as a team. Note that if you have been nominated, I will surely vote for you. Please state your nominations in the fashion that I state mine below as to make it easy to find on the ballot.
Field 10 JAZZ
47. Jazz instrumental Solo (the voting number is) 062
48. Jazz instrumental Album (the voting number is) 064
Field 22 COMPOSING/ARRANGING
81. Instrumental Arrangement (the voting number is) 109
Field 23 PRODUCTION
87. Engineered Album (Non-Classical) (the voting number is) 023
If you care to hear samples of some of the songs on the BEBOP album, please go to http://www.jaygraydon.com
Yea, we are not supposed to help out friends but that has been happening from day one and will never stop. We need to stick together even if your product is with a major record company using the voting block. As independent voters, we have proven that we do make a difference — the best example is Steely Dan winning album of the year!
Thanks again for your kind support!!!
Later, Jay
Posted by: hoops, phew / yes:
Anyone and everyone who desires tags, hotlinks or corrections is welcome to them. As stated on the post entry form page, if you make a mistake or a typo and you wish it corrected, feel free to email me at hoops@dandom.com OR just simply followup with another post that says, "hoops, please fix the typo to this." I'll correct the typo and then delete the post that requests the change, so noone will know the better.
In this case, since your post raises the issue of tags and corrections being oipen to everyone, I have left your correction request up and then put a strikethrough the original typo, with the correction next to it.
Also, it's not lost on me that this place should ideally empower the poster to go back and make corrections, add tags (without screwing up the rest of the guestlist page), etc. That's something definitely to shoot for.
Tristan:
Regarding the suggestion/idea of a Dan cover band page, the creation of such a directory has crossed my mind, but including audio samples of the month had not. It's a good idea considering how many fans in the greater Dandom appreciate this Mock Steely Bands as they might be affectionately called. dandom.com has the capacity to do this. Let me bounce this off a couple of other parties who are also into this, as well as listen for additional input or ideas.
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Posted by: Earl, DelawareTristan: If I were the principal investor in the Pretzel Logic and Analysis, I'd recommend mucho layoffs.
Earl
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, Chihey everyone,
sorry for the cryptic stuff from a few weeks back. I've had a few posts ready, but I haven't felt the need to publish them yet. Soon.
How about WebDrone putting the "Sign Up For the Steely Dan Newsletter" link on the front page? Ready for some news?
Posted by: Howard,
Randy - thanks for the info on that Billy Bauer's CD. That definitely sounds interesting, must check it out.
It reminds me a little of some early Johnny "Guitar" Watson solos that I heard in a Zappa documentary. Zappa said that he drew a lot of inspiration from this music (he cited the "3 hours past midnight" solo in particular). I was struck with how the roots of Zappa's guitar style were very clear in the playing of JGW. It sounds like there's a similar effect with Billy Bauer and Denny Dias.
Tristan - I'm glad that whole Bruce thing is now resolved - but what a result your research came up with! Over the years, I've heard a rumour or two about that early Sign In Stranger demo and the alternative opening line. Amazing that you actually got to hear it - a "greater Brucedom" indeed. That lyric change is second only in Steely lyric mythology to the "forty years later" line that was used in early Chain Lightning demos, but dropped in the final version.
As for Walter's "Gaslighting Abbie" solo - I'd be interested to hear something from either Donald or Walter, to see if the inspiration for the one-note solo did really come from the lyrical theme, but it seems to make perfect sense to me. And, I have to disagree a little - although the solo does appear to "gaslight" the listener, it manages to do so in a musically interesting way, with Walter's usual pleasantly bluesy and dynamic phrasing. It treads a fine line - getting the "gaslighting" effect across, without becoming tedious. In my view, the solo succeeded in this.
Not sure about the West of Hollywood drums though, and the "deep into nothing special" lyric connection. I'll admit that WOH was my least favourite track from 2VN for a long time, due largely to the rather uninteresting drums. Gradually, the drum fatigue receded, and I can now listen to that track and enjoy it, and the drums don't bother me that much. I still don't quite see why the drums had to be that way though. An aural impression of implacable fate? To help the "Heart Of Darkness kind of thing going on there", the "apocalyptic quality" that Becker and Fagen talked about? Who knows...
... although a quick search brought this up (from http://www.steelydan.com/2vnjam.html):
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JAM!: Was it the same thing with the rhythm in "West Of Hollywood". It's fast, it's not really a dance rhythm.
Becker: It's certainly not a dance beat.
Fagen: Yeah, although we took some pains to achieve the groove on that.
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Not sure what to make of that, but there you go.
Howard
Posted by: µ, m.e. Fab! Way to unravel the pretzel logic
Speaking of which, jk - the eponymous Harrison is/was one of my faves! Wore out the tape a couple of years ago, and haven't seen a CD version. The melodies of the cuts I heard today on NPR from Brainwashed reminded me of some of those songs. Lynne sounds less heavy handed than on Cloud 9, which wasn't bad. He was on orders from Harrison, not to make it too "posh."
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA
P.S. To The Last Post:
Another purchase fans of Denny Dias should make is the rereleased CD version of Billy Bauer's 'Plectrist' (1956); Dias studied with the underrated Bauer in the late sixties, and this album was one of his only releases as a leader; it was remastered in 2000 and is an indispensable recording for fans of jazz guitar, as Bauer is truly one of the unheralded greats. The roots of Dias' style can be discerned in much of Bauer's phrasing; highly recommended-
Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA
Hampton Hawes 'Something Special' (1976) is an album that most certainly swings, and it's a solid entry in the Hawes catalog. It should be noted that Denny Dias' contribution is not given justice in the mix (at certain points he is all but inaudible), and he is given a minimum of "up front" time.
Being a fan of both Dias and Hawes, I purchased this disc years ago in the hopes of hearing Dias in a straight jazz context; in that regard it is a disappointment, although it is interesting to hear the caliber of (live) session that Dias agreed to be part of and was allowed to participate in; the album also awarded Dias the opportunity to work with one of jazz' greatest and most recorded bassists, Leroy Vinnegar. As a swinging jazz piano recording from Hawes, it's good stuff-
Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Posted by: yes, I know...Should be "comforting". But then again I don't enjoy the privilege of a prior edit by the host. Excuuuuuuuuse me.
Posted by: phew, conforting comfortingSomeone needs a life badder than I do.
Posted by: jk, the new harrison is good but still not as good as the vastly underrated and out of print "George Harrison" from 1979. that one sports great catchy songs, great slide, and interesting guitar arrangements. just as good as atmp.
jk
Posted by: Tristan Gustave Fabriani III, San Francisco
SUNDRY REPLIES, THE CONCLUSIONS OF PRETZEL LOGIC & ANALYSIS
STAFF ABOUT A POSSIBLE “GREATER BRUCEDOM,” AND A HUMBLE CHRISTMAS
GIFT SUGGESTION FOR AFICIONADOS OF DIAS THE BEBOPPER
Along with Earl (10-30-02 – 08:03:24) and Hats’n’Hooters
(10-30-02 – 20:46:26) you opined that my posts are very lengthy, and
you added that my writing is “a bit tedious.” I plead no lo
contendere . Worse still for advocates of more frequent (tastes great)
and concise (less filling) posts, I adhere to the Three Pretzel Logic &
Analysis Principles of Life: (1) never refer to anyone by their real name
if you can use a nickname, or to your own if you can use a pseudonym; (2)
never reply in five words when you can use 15, or ideally, 25; and (3) never
do anything simply when you can make it a big production out of it. I
won’t rule out a concise and prompt post in the future, but consider
it a highly unlikely prospect at best.
In reply to your “What’s My Line?” you surmise that I “sound
like a male.” As Jerome would say: “Defin’lly.” For
it is so. Am I affiliated in any way with Steely Dan? No, I’m just a
Danfan of humble birth and the most rustic origins trying to realize the American
Dream in the splendid Mediterranean climate of the City by the Bay. Am I connected
with Skunk or Dinky or either of them in disguise? Neither, although I have
corresponded a couple of times with the latter and would be equally thrilled
to write to the former, but he doesn’t have either a website or a solo
album; and I am too unlearned in computer wizardry to hack into the Pentagon
computer system to uncover his Star Wars Missile Defense System super-secret-password
in order to initiate a correspondence.
A potentially new 1974 SD concert CD? Another book with a ‘Dansterly
chapter? To each query I exclaimed, as we Californians are wont: “Eureka!”
My advocacy of the release of this concert treasure and my repeated entreaties
to the Fandom to join that praiseworthy bandwagon has no motive or reward
beyond seeing a professionally produced 1974 concert gem “out there”
for everyone to have, including yours truly. That Dawson has authored a book
with a chapter on the ‘Dan I felt should also be called to the everyone’s
attention. I naively thought everyone else would share my enthusiasm, and
so I couldn’t wait to shout the news about Dinky from the cybernetic
rooftops. I am aghast at not only the motives cynically attributed to me by
some but also the appalling apathy expressed by others regarding the possible
Seattle concert release and another book about the ‘Dan. While I am
sorely tempted to write a great deal more about this matter, my intuition
counsels me to place my scathe back in its scabbard and reserve any remonstrating
for another time.
I certainly appreciated your concurrence earlier this year with my public
Appeal to D&W to authorize the release of some 1974 concert material.
In response to the second half of your October 29 post, I personally think
D&W’s overdubbing of so many live solos from the ‘93 and ‘94
tours that went into the production of the Alive in America CD borders
on The Unconscionable. I recall in an interview with D&W that Donald said
there were only a few minor overdubs here and there on A.I.A. and that the
album was otherwise a faithful reproduction of the live performances. Even
Walter could not stomach this remark in silence and said: “Oh, come
on, Donald, you can do better than that.” If Dinky is authorized to
release the 1974 Seattle concert, I’ve no doubt that he would produce
it with the greatest possible TLC and would have absolutely no part
any studio-overdub-thrashing of a live concert for which he was the sound
engineer, and especially of a live Steely Dan concert. He wrote to
me that the “feeling of greatness” emanating from the stage of
Seattle’s Paramount Theater on 7/1/74 was “overwhelming”
and that “every note gave you goosebumps.” My hope has been that
the Fandom would clamor so loudly for this release that D&W would have
to at last give Dinky the nod. Never say die. Anything’s possible. Even
with D&W.
Howard aka Bruce from Pommyland : I appreciate your clarification that
it was actually a certain “Norm” who first posted the assertion
that “everyone is named Bruce, whether they know it or not.” (9-18-02
– 16:08:37) Please accept my apology for incorrectly attributing that
statement to you. Nevertheless, I see you fully share Norm’s view and
asserted that in fact there were “many Bruce’s who posted that
day.” (10-30-02 - 08:19:18) Therefore, I consider that you and Norm
are of one mind and soul, even as you are both, of course, aka Bruce
. To my staff here at Pretzel Logic & Analysis I duly forwarded the internet
site that you so kindly identified, http://www.rraz.co.uk/alexs/Python/MontyPython3.htm,
which greatly helped to clarify the origin of the claim that everyone is so
named. It brought a prompt conclusion to the staff’s painstaking genealogical
research. While the staff members are now engaged in researching other Steely
Dan subjects—the fruits of which are revealed in the latter half of
this post—I want to provide you an account of the momentous final moments
of their analysis of the possible “Greater Brucedom” to which
you, Norm, and Steevedan alluded back in September.
Shortly after reviewing your website reference on their computers, there was
a murmuring and then a huge uproar heard among almost the entire staff. A
veritable avalanche of interrogatives descended. “You’ve got
to be kidding! Monty Python?? ” queried one, quite indignant.
“We spent all this time tracing our family coats-of-arms based on a
Monty Python sketch ??” said another, mightily annoyed. This
grumpiness prevailed for some time. Another staffer, wishing perhaps to lighten
the mood a bit, remarked: “Well, at least we can rest assured that we
are not all named Bruce.” Then, just as the murmuring began to
abate, PL&A’s chief financial advisor, Jacques de las Vegas, loudly
proclaimed: “But there really is a place where everyone is named
Bruce.” Silence instantly reigned in our main conference room. You could
have heard pin drop. Momentarily, a hushed inquiry was whispered from stunned
staffers: “Jacques, pray tell: where?? ” It seemed as though
E.F. Hutton were about to speak as Jacques approached the podium and declared:
“Mizar 5.” Anxious queries came in rapid succession: “How
do you know that?” “Based on what?” “Where’s
your proof?”
With arched eyebrows and the slyest of grins, Jacques’s gaze canvassed
the room as he pulled from the lapel pocket of his bright Irish green suit
a bootleg CD of some recently unearthed studio recording sessions from The
Royal Scam. He had instantly downloaded them from Andy Metzger’s
website where they had been posted for only a short while before the infamous
Pit Bull Barristers of Steely Dan Legal discovered them and had them removed.
Moving over to the conference room stereo system, Jacques queued up the CD.
The motionless staff breathlessly awaited the first notes from this new gem.
The first track was obviously an early, skeletal demo featuring Walter on
bass guitar, Donald on piano and an unidentified drummer. It began with some
very familiar introductory keyboard vamps followed by a delightfully crisp
reggae beat. And then Donald began to croon: “Have you heard they’re
all named Bruce in Mizar 5?”
With wide-open eyes and mouths a-gaping, the staff immediately shouted: “Halt
the track! They’re all named Bruce in Mizar 5? Precisely what,
or where the heck, is Mizar 5?” Jacques answered: “It’s
the name of one of the outbacks ‘down under.’ Not far from Walkabout
Creek, ‘mates. Residence in Mizar 5 is limited exclusively to recent
British immigrants. The sign above the Residency Office where only pommies
may apply just happens to invitingly read: ‘Won’t you sign in
stranger?’” The staff exclaimed: “An amazing coincidence!
Donald and Walter, just like Norm, Howard, and Steevedan, were obviously heavily
influenced by this Monty Python sketch. Now we know the source of the
original inspiration behind ‘Sign in Stranger,’ even though
the lyrics were later given a, like, WoW, Cosmic sense by D&W as they
developed and refined the song. Yo, Tristan, boss, can we have the day off
and hoist a few in celebration?” In the context of such a whirlwind
of thrilling discovery I simply couldn’t turn them down. I called up
Lefty O’Doules and told the bartender to put on my tab the total for
the potables and elixirs downed by PL&A staff. “Now go kick off
your high-heeled sneakers,” I told the gleeful gang as they left the
office “it’s party time.”
Howard (10-30-02 – 08:19:18): I have to add that your suggestion that
there is a lyrical basis for understanding the “one note”
guitar solo on "Gaslighting Abbie" was altogether fascinating. You
infer, in other words, that the solo “gaslights” the listener.
Very keen. Still, I would have preferred that the gaslighting had been limited
to Abbie, with the guitar solo being delivered with greater deference to the
no less important criterion of musicality and the quintessential funk
groove of the tune. While RandyNightfly62 opines that "Gaslighting Abbie"
really did not require an overly ostentatious solo, that was not what I am
advocating. Rather, if one hears some of the more elaborate, though by no
means ostentatious, in-the-pocket funk progressions what Walter played in
the live solo on few times this phenomenal tune was featured on the y2k tour,
one could not help but wonder why these didn’t make it to the studio
version. You have nevertheless provided an important additional criterion
for evaluating a solo. I’ll repeat what I wrote in my last post that
it is interesting (and edifying) to learn of the various criteria by which
‘Danfans measure the success of a solo, track or album.
Hats’n’Hooters (10-30-02, 20:46:26): yes, yes, yes, indeed, the
political postings on the Bluebook that I bellyached about in my last post
hailed from around five months ago, but on the contrary, there were no sleeping
dogs for me to have let slumber. Dan Akroyd’s September post defending
“occasional” debates over national and international politics
on a Steely Dan discussion forum kept those dogs awake and provided a means
through which more of their yelping could “occasionally” re-enter
the Bluebook. I felt Akroyd’s opinion needed refuting and so I reduced
it to absurdity through a completely facetious suggestion to Hoops about possible
“criteria” for Bluebook posts on “politics” with associated
“links” to CNN. Hopefully, those political dogs are now fast
asleep in the CNN kennel and henceforth will remain there.
RandyNightly62 (10-29-02, 20:56:35): you suggest that each album has a different
instrumental accentuation and that progression or regression are not really
at issue in the later albums (where, for example, there might be less complex
rhythmic structures). While this viewpoint seems to differ slightly from your
and Steevedan’s earlier notions that a progressive evolution is to be
found in D&W’s work, I think it important to append some of Donald
Fagen’s very own comments here. On a recent Digest, Fagen said of his
and Walter’s parting of the ways after Gaucho: “We were
under a lot of pressure to top Aja, which had been an enormous visible
success. When I hear that record (Gaucho) now, I get the creeps.”
After that, “it wasn't possible for us to go on. I thought Aja
was our peak, and then Walter and I just went in different directions.”
Whether re-achieving the “peak” unavoidably implies mere “repetition”
is perhaps a subject for another discussion. ‘Scam and Aja
are definitely “peaks” but I don’t consider them repetitive
in the least. As for repetition, you suggest that the strident drumming on
"West of Hollywood" forces one to listen more intently to the sax
and challenges the listener’s expectations. Hmmm. By contrast, I find
that the limited drumming thoroughly handcuffs and hems in the sax work in
a rhythmic straightjacket. This does indeed “challenge” my expectations
insofar as it thoroughly frustrates them with regard to both instruments.
The thrilling and extraordinarily complex rhythmic and harmonic interplay
between Wayne Shorter’s sax and Steve Gadd’s drums on the title
track of Aja accentuates, enhances and frees up each instrument, taking
each to absolutely soaring, extraordinary heights, as does the dialogue between
the unspeakably lush sax and aurally resplendent drums on "Caves of Altamira."
Could it be said that the incredibly limited conversation between the sax
and the entry-level surface-sounding drumming on "West of Hollywood,"
interpreted lyrically , is the perfect musical expression of a highway
deep into nothing special?
Nevertheless, you are correct about the continually changing style of D&W—something
also characteristic of the late Miles Davis who eschewed treading over his
previous ground. Therefore, we may look forward to The Next One with all enthusiasm.
Will the groove be stronger in D&W this time around with a “live”
feel due to a lot of live playing in the studio as opposed to endless overdubbing
and layering? We will all know soon enough.
Another Steely Dan song goes: “It’s the most wonderful time of
the year…” Anyone having trouble thinking of gifts for the holidays
for family, friends, co-workers, Danvention pen pals, etc? Well, the staff
of Pretzel Logic & Analysis would like to make a humble holiday gift suggestion.
But first, of course, the background. On May 24 of this year, Cosmic WoW,
from the well-nigh lofty heights of WoWland, asked the following question:
“What’s Denny Dias up to these days?” While PL&A staff
are all ardent Skunkophiles, they also greatly admire Dias the Bebopper, and
they were only too happy to undertake this research assignment once the “everyone
is named Bruce” thing was cleared up.
Apart from the postings on the Bluebook this summer regarding an unreleased
Denny Dias solo project of fairly current vintage that may be lurking in the
wings (Cf. Dave 7-10-02 – 18:39:18; jk 7-10-02 – 14:46:09; hoops
7-10-02 – 11:46:27; Norm 7-10-02 – 03:00:13; Wendy Liu 7-9-02
– 21:18:23), it would otherwise seem that finding Denny playing in an
officially-released non-Steely Dan context is somewhat akin to searching for
the proverbial needle in a haystack. However, if one liberally defines the
notion of “these days” to include a span of about three decades,
that needle can be found, and, happily, the recording remains in print.
In one interview years ago, Walter Becker noted that Denny had always been
“very loyal” to Steely Dan, and despite being asked by a considerable
number of other groups to join them after the original Steely Dan ceased touring
in the summer of 1974, Denny turned down every offer. Well, every offer except
one, that is, and Walter made some cryptic reference to Denny’s predilection
for the work of a jazz pianist Hampton Hawes. PL&A staff discovered that
Hampton Hawes passed away in 1977. That left a period of three years during
which Dias could have recorded with him after the original ‘Dan disbanded.
In reviewing the catalogue of Hampton Hawes recordings from the period 1974-1977
on The AMG All Music Guide, PL&A staff happily discovered a CD
entitled Something Special (Contemporary 14072). This featured a live
Hampton Hawes Quartet concert in the summer of 1976 at a venue just a few
miles down the coast from our posh corporate headquarters on the 14th
floor of The Custerdome West here in those distant lights from across the
Bay.
Here is an excerpt from the extensive liner notes: “The music heard
here was recorded on a relaxed Sunday afternoon at Bach Dancing and Dynamite
Society, a rambling beach house located a little north of Half Moon Bay, a
thirty-five-or-so minute drive south from San Francisco to where Highway I
gets serious, where Pete Douglas has been presenting Sunday afternoon jazz
(and Friday night gourmet dinners-cum-classical recitals) since sometime in
the early mid-Sixties. ‘Relaxed’ pretty much sums up the BD&DS
spirit, and Sunday afternoons there take on the general configuration of a
restful meander down the Coast, with music to match the rest of the feel.
Hamp's best-known associate here is Leroy Vinnegar, the Indianapolis-born
bassist who arrived in L.A. in the Fifties and began his continuing demonstration
of what surefooted walking is all about, a frills- and fuss-free exemplar
of what makes bass The Bottom Line. They're joined by guitarist Denny Diaz,
familiar for his work on the first few Steely Dan albums, but as obviously
at home in straight-ahead jazz surroundings as he was in pop/rock; and
drummer Al Williams, who abandoned his career behind the traps to manage his
Long Beach, California jazz club, Birdland West (the bad news is that the
club closed the week these notes were written). This June 10, 1976 session,
recorded less than a year before Hamp's death, came during a year of substantial
recording activity with Joan Baez, in a series of duets with Charlie Haden,
for Contemporary with Art Farmer, Art Pepper, and Ray Brown (On the Road,
OJC-478) and for his own last album.” (emphasis mine)
Here is the review from the AMG All Music Guide: “This 1994 CD
released for the first time a live set (recorded at Half Moon Bay, California)
performed less than a year before pianist Hampton Hawes’ death. Hawes,
in a quartet with guitarist Denny Dias, bassist Leroy Vinnegar and drummer
Al Williams, dominates the music and displays his ability to uplift a couple
of pop tunes (‘Sunny’ and ‘Fly Me to the Moon’). He
also swings creatively through a blues, ‘St. Thomas’ and a pair
of his originals. This excellent music gives no hints of Hawes’ upcoming
demise. The tracks on this live date are: BD&DS Blues (Hawes) 7:37; Pablito
(Hawes) 8:58; Sunny (Hebb) 9:19; Nice Meanderings (Hawes) 8:52; St. Thomas
(Rollins) 5:00; Fly Me To The Moon (Howard) 9:13.”
This CD may be purchased from CDNOW.com for $14.49. See: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=334143599/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=HAWES*HAMPTON/ITEMID=125704.
This website also features brief audio clips from each track.
As for other recordings featuring The Bebopper, there is one track that Dias
played on much later with a group of studio musicians who recorded a CD in
honor of the late drummer Jeff Porcaro, entitled Tribute to Jeff (Zebra
44005-2). This CD (unfortunately out-of-print) features Denny playing rhythm
guitar on one track: a Milt Jackson tune entitled “Bag’s Groove”.
(Incidentally, this CD also features a fine cover of “Babylon Sisters”
with Bernard Purdie on drums, and another tune that borrows heavily from “Black
Friday” called “E Minor Shuffle.” Danfans may wish to check
out the following for the latter tunes: http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm).
Also, Denny Dias and Donald Fagen sat in with the band Toto during that group’s
live concert tribute to the late Jeff Porcaro in December 1992. This concert
was broadcast into the public domain on FM radio and the two Steely Dan tracks
featured were "Chain Lightning" and "Josie." (See http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm)
Donald Fagen was in awesome vocal form and Denny contributed some clean, bright
and boppish guitar solos to both songs, although Steve Lukather’s stunning
guitar playing on both tracks ultimately steals the show. (Based on these
two thoroughly impressive tracks alone, D&W could be well-advised simply
to tour with Toto as their backing band).
Lastly, Denny Dias also left his unique signature on several live concert
performances during the modern Steely Dan tours whenever the ‘Dan played
in L.A. and, depending on the tour year, variously invited Denny to sit in
on “Bodhisattva,” “Teahouse on the Tracks,” “Do
It Again,” and “FM”. It was more than clear from his inspired
playing that The Bebopper still had the requisite ‘Dansterly chops.
Happy Christmas shoppin’ y’all.
Yours in Dandom,
Tristan Gustave Fabriani III, Esq.
CEO & El Supremo
Pretzel Logic & Analysis, Inc.
San Francisco
P.S. I have a proposal for consideration by The Bluebook Readership, but it
is ultimately subject to a blessing from Hoops. I think this may be likely
in view of this excerpt from a recent post from Hoops: “I'm always open
to new ideas, especially ones that break new ground. It's appealing to think
that any forum might be tweaked or implemented in such a way that we get more
of the ‘good stuff.’” (11-01-02 – 13:35:06) Although
the suggestion that I offer below is not related to the “chat room”
that the above quote concerned, I think Hoops’ words are fully applicable.
As a brief background to this suggestion, I would note that it is evident
that several individuals with considerable musical education and talent contribute
to The Bluebook. Some are even members of bands and even Steely Dan tribute
bands. Some make the pedal steel soar; others scorch the Gibson and ‘Caster
frets; while yet others tinkle the acoustic and electronic ivories.
Therefore, might the Bluebook acquire a separate “sound” section
that features wav, MP3 or Real Player file of a Steely Dan track performed
by one of these seminal bands that just happens to be represented by a contributor
to the Blue? Surely there are extant soundboard recordings from gigs by Pretzel
Logic, Katy Lied and/or the Steely Fan Band, etc. Why not have a fairly regular,
though not overly frequent, posting of a standout performance from the most
magical and memorable concert moments of these tribute bands for The Bluebook
readership to savor? Perhaps there could be a “Bluebook Track of the
Month” that is interpreted, respectively, by each band, resulting in
several versions of the same tune that we can savor and compare. Of course,
Hoops, that means that you would “get to” create a new
category for the front page of Dandom.com for us to click on and then assume
the onerous burdens of posting and managing the sound files. With all punsterliness,
this Bluebook subsection could be entitled “The Bluenote.” I don’t
know how much more of a workload that would create for you, but in any case
we would defin’lly “get more of the ‘good stuff’”
from those who pay tribute to the ‘Dan in sizzling concert performances
(as distinct from loquacious posts). SharkD, Dennis, Steevedan, et. al.,
what say ye?
Posted by: Dave, Randy, the new Harrison album sounds cool. 15 years since the last Harrison album. That's almost as bad as Steely Dan.
I keep hearing how Jeff Lynne has supposedly overproduced it, although less so than previous albums. I wonder why Harrison entrusted it to him in the first place?
I always wanted them to make yet another Traveling Wilbury's album. Any chance the Traveling Wilburys' records will get re-released? The first one was a classic. Amazing it's been withdrawn from release. Damn the lawyers!
Dave
Posted by: Michelle, Princeton Jct, NJHi All!
Here's a double-whammy! Do you think that Marian Partland is on the new album?
Just a thought.
Mich
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA
Steely-folk:
For those who might be interested, the new/last George Harrison album, 'Brainwashed,' came out today; there's a "regular" CD version and a deluxe boxed edition that includes a second disc (DVD) on the making of the album, as well as a poster, guitar pick, etc.
Upon first listen, it's a typically understated album with some great lyrics, tasty slide guitar work, and an overall "upbeat" (and spiritual) perspective... A good one to (sadly) go out on.
Jeff Lynne's presence is obvious but his production style is largely kept in check by George (I'm not a fan of Lynne's production), at least more so than on 1987's 'Cloud Nine.'
First album I've bought on the day of release since 'Two Against Nature' in 2000-
Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Posted by: Earl, DelawareThis morning on the Philly Smooth Jazz station, they highlighted the boys in their spotlight segment, and basically repeated the rumor that the new album will be out in the summer of next year.
Wow, so slowly more information is surfacing about studio hands they've been using on the new one. Never heard of Bill Charlap, but it would be interesting to know if Ted Baker is not recording this time around. Maybe they wanted a fresh ivory-tinkler.
Earl
Posted by: Dave, Great find Phan! No wonder Hoops hasn't interviewed Charlap. Two songs, eh?
Dave
Posted by: another big phan, check this out, AND read the first part: Bill Charlap?
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/abstract/204874941.html?did=204874941&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&PMID=33356&desc=AW,+SHUCKS,+ME?+Yes,+you,+Bill+Charlap,+esteemed+jazz+pianist
Posted by: Big Fan, At Work - we have power nowBernard Purdie in the news - got to see him play with the Dammed:
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/1036587307185770.xml
Posted by: The Cat, Barely TownYou don't have to thank us hoopsie.
Posted by: h, What's so marvelous about Oleander's "Fever Dreams" is that it's full of writings that inform and spur the imagination, rather than act as a FAQ that renders the songs finite in meaning and interpretation. For as long as the Digest has been around, fans have asked for FAQ. Oleander's site is much better than a FAQ.
I've really enjoyed the "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" thread—thanks Moray, et al.
Posted by: sharkdeville, For more discussion on "Turn That Heartbeat Over" and most every other Dan tune, go here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
Posted by: hoops, Thanks Brown Cow. Both this and last week's McPartland-on-Dan articles were great, although clearly this one was more in-depth.
Man, I am TIRED today.
h
Posted by: How now, Here's a better article with McPartland talking about the SD interview:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2002/November/14/style/stories/07style.htm
Posted by: Earl, DelawareHappy Traum's Homespun Video's recorded and produced DF's Jazz-Rock Piano video back in the 90's
Earl
Posted by: North of Hollywood, Hey dan fans, oveer the weekend I heard a new record by Artie Traum (remembner Happy and Artie Traum from the '60s). His new CD is called South of Lafayette and it has a track on it called "In Paris" which is all about seeing Steely Dan in concert in Paris. Very cool, jazzy tune. Fagan likes him too, he's quoted on the
www.artietraum.com
Web site as being a fan. They're probably friends from the Woodstock, NY area
Posted by: Earl, DelawareMoray Eel: I like that interpretation a lot. I also subscribe to it being alcohol that he was asking for in "My poison's name, you know my brand". I suppose brand could mean type of drug (heroin, cocaine, etc), but brand usually refers to hard liquor, and a double usually means a double shot. Maybe "this highway runs from Paraguay" means he killed himself in an auto accident, since how often do you hear of a death simply from drinking too much?
It's very much like Charlie Freak in the way that a guy is given a 2nd chance (in Charlie Freak, he's given the money to start over in exchange for his ring) and pisses it away (embraced a spreading haze and died in 15 ways).
Another reflection regarding Heartbeat: When he says, "Please make mine a double, Sam" it's very difficult to determine whether he's reverting to old habits or if he's simply disenchanted with the world he has been returned to. Maybe in the afterlife of this story the characters forget how awful the world is, and in turn warn William Wright to be more careful. Maybe the narrator and WW both experience the feelings explained in "Any World" while on Earth, but soon forget when at the Pearly Gates.
Earl
Posted by: The Cat, Barely TownHeroin/Paraguay? Don't think so.
Posted by: moray eel, HaydenIt isn't specifically stated what is being doubled. It could be alcohol.
The protagonist tells us later in the verse that he has just made the trip on a "HIGHway" from Paraguay. In my opinion, it suggests a heroin or possible cocaine reference.
I'm not convinced that the particular drug is paramount. The character identifies the substance as a poison and then orders a double dose.
m.e.
Posted by: Boston Rag., Marian on Sunday Night FootballI was watching the Pats-Raiders game tonight on ESPN. They cut to a quick local flavor shot at Yoshi's in Oakland. It looked like Marian McPartland up on stage playing at the club. Curiosity got the better of me so I looked up her tour schedule on Pollstar and sure enough she was playing Yoshi's tonight. It was too fast a shot to notice if Donald and Walter were sitting in the club.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Jaco, UK*Agrees*
Posted by: Dale, how dry I amMoray eel,
I always thought that the line "So please make mine, a double Sam" was a reference to alcohol not (hard) drugs. A "double" as in a double shot of booze. While "Sam" is the bartender serving the drink ........"So please make mine, a double Sam". What's up?
Posted by: Jaco, Who?Argh, William Wright?? Is my age showing here??
And Moray Eel, tres bien, most insightful!
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: Alex Jayne, Moray Eel; That is great. I never caught all that. I am speechless. Thank you.
Alex
Posted by: Jimmy, ...turn the light onHoops...Thanks for that DF interview.
Moral eel.... Fucking great!!!!!! Man, that was good!
Posted by: moray eel, Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
A guy robs a bar and it goes bad (stocking face,gun). He dies and goes to heaven/purgatory. He pleads with St. Michael and Jesus to reincarnate him (turn that heartbeat over again).
He promises that if they grant his request, he will live a good life the next time around (I'll keep my promise when...).
He knows the rules to living a good life:
1. Love your fellow man (Love your mama, love your brother...)
2. Avoid sinful pleasures. No more wild, "down and dirty" sex. From now on it should be with the lights off; no exposed flesh (keep your shirt on); and filled with tenderness and compassion (cry a jag on me).
They grant his wish and they reincarnate him.
He goes back to earth and gets into trouble again. This time he dies from a drug overdose (My poison's named, you know my brand. So please make mine a double, Sam).
He returns back to heaven/purgatory (and I've just come all the way).
There he meets the recently deceased William Wright (corpse), who now has the opportunity to be reincarnated. He warns to make the most of the chance and advises him to stay on the straight and narrow (not to cuss and drink all night).
William Wright doesn't listen. He makes the same mistakes as the protagonist (zombie see, zombie do) and blows his second chance.
William Wright dies (saw him laid to rest) and returns to heaven/purgatory (he's here with me and you).
m.e.
Posted by: Alex Jayne, Alderwood Manor, WAHi!
This is my first time posting, although I have been reading the Dandom Digest since about the time of the 94 tour.
I have a question. What do you think Turn That Heartbeat Over Again is all about?
Alex
Posted by: Peg, Lookin' upHey, thanks Hoops for that SF Chronicle interview...great!
Someone recently brought up True Companion and as a songwriter bent on Latin jazz, I gotta note that (at least for me) I hear Latinish sound in that song. I have noted, too, that in Fagen's great "Latin" type tune, Goodbye Look, his melody in the "I know what happens, I read the book" -- really reminds me of One Note Samba, a classic Latin tune. Sometimes I wonder how much he's listened to such tunes....
Have a great weekend ya'all!
Posted by: W1P, South down I-5Newsflash: The Steely Damned November 27, 2002 at the Catamaran in San Diego.
Posted by: h,
This following interview is not from Metal Leg, but it appeared in
the San Francisco Chronicle on Sunday, June 4, 2000, just as the tour
was hitting the US West Coast. I can't find it on the Internet anywhere and
a lot fans seemingly have not seen it before. I remembered it as being interesting;
as I started re-typing the author's introductory paragraph I starting thinking
that this writer deosn't ask very questions, I should forget about it. But then
I was taken with Fagen's answers, not so much by what he said but how he said
it. I think that's what I like about this interview. Maybe you should not really
pay attention to the author's questions and only read Fagen's answers. It seems
like a great read that way.
by Aidin Vaziri
Special to the Chronicle
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:38:14 ET
Posted by: W1P, The Land of Pink
The fan base for Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead has a substantial overlap. In fact, in the early days of Which One's Pink?, it was the Deadheads (and fans of Cubensis) who kept us alive. Although I understand why there exists this overlap, I personally do not care for the Dead -- that's not to say that there aren't selection cuts that I enjoy. As of the legend of their live performances, all I can say is that I haven't had enough of a representative sample to really come to any conclusions. Both times I saw them their vocals were terrible.
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:33:49 ET
Posted by: h,
I think St Al posted while I was writing and posting mine. That said, I know St Al is both a Peter Gabriel and Dead fan, but in the past dicussions, it seems many Grabriel/Steely Dan fans are not Dead fans. I can see Grabriel fans connecting with Mickey Hart's expertise and talents with World music.
h
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:19:32 ET
Posted by: h,
I've told that story a few times, and let me say, I completely realize that not every Dan fan is a Dead head or could be inclined to be as such. Some fans are really apalled to hear that story of Dead and Dan, that the Dandom Digest came out of the Grateful Dead newsgroup. What is interesting is that there are also a number of Peter Gabriel fans who love Steely Dan. That's a connection I'm not so clear on but I understand both are artists who are quite intelligent in their work, where quality comes before popularity, just like Steely Dan.
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:08:35 ET
Posted by: StAl, Seattle/WA/USA
I wonder why we deaheads are compelled to start Steely Dan websites?
DeadDan: Last time I heard that (tired) joke I fell off my dinosaur...
StAl
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 14:22:26 ET
Posted by: Dead Dan,
...and the story goes that there were these two Deadheads who traveled around from city to city, and for one show they somehow missed their connection and had no dope, and after the first couple of songs, one says to the other, "Hey man, this band sucks!"
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 14:10:42 ET
Posted by: Mr.Sticks,
Hello One And All !
After you had your fill of turkey and family on thanksgiving day, stuff yourselves with a big helping of Steely Dan music!
Steely Fan Band will be making their monthly appearance at the Studio Cafe for a special Thanksgiving weekend Party!
Join us Friday night November 29,2002 at 8:30pm at the Studio Cafe in Newport Beach Ca.
100 Main Street.at the Balboa Pier and Ocean Front.
Admission is FREE!!
So come on out and party like the pilgrims!
Thanks,
Mr.Sticks
http://www.steelyfanband.net
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 13:35:20 ET
Posted by: W1P, East of Hollywood
I think Mike Keneally should be recruited by the Dan (1) for their underway studio project and (2) their touring band. The guy is capable of incredible restraint and unbelievable "over the top" soloing. Mike Keneally is music in the flesh. Pete, make this happen! ;-)
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 13:29:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,
Actually for more than I few years I traveled around following the Grateful Dead. While I had heard their recordings before I had ever seen them, I wasn't hooked until I attended my first show and associated lot scene (Thanks Sara and Kurt.). Definitely one of those bands you have to experience live before you "get it."
It should be pointed out that the Dandom Digest—and by indirect association the BlueBook—has its roots in the Grateful Dead Usenet group, rec.music.gdead. Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I regularly frequented there, and a subset of us Deadheads were huge Steely Dan fans. We'd be responsible for those Steely Dan threads sprinkled throughout that newsgroup and through various circumstances, it evolved into the Dandom Digest, then called the Steely Fan newsletter, steelydan@uiuc.edu, which was hosted by the University of Illinois at Urbana.
So why did a chunk of use Deadheads love the Dan? As someone pointed out, they are in some ways complete opposites. the Dead are first known for their shows; the Dan first for their recordings. Then the Dead are the hippies and the Dan are the anti-hippies. That's for starters. But where they come together is that both have their roots in "going against society's grain." They both have huge influences from jazz, blues and rock, although they take them in opposite directions. Both artists strive for perfection of sorts—the Dan, the perfect recording, the Dead, that ultimate live instant during a show. Both are hugely focused on the technical aspects of sonic quality. So before or after a Dead show at the parking lot scene, it wouldn't be uncommon to hear "Can't Buy a Thrill" or "Katy Lied" blaring from microbusses and like. At more than a few shows, a Steely Dan CD was played as the intermission music and "Kamakiriad" was the intermission music for much of the 1993 Grateful Dead summer tour. Maybe it's that the Dead and the Dan are such a part of the College experience. I know college is where my previous affection for Steely Dan reached a new level and it's also where I came to love the Dead.
All that said, I'm not so sure Fagen would be a great Jerry replacement. But I am clear that Walter—vocals and guitar--would be an ideal person to stand in Jerry's place, although not Jerry's shoes. Walter has a different voice that is nonetheless in same emotive spirit and of phrasing. Sure, Jerry and Walter play guitar differently but Walter goes for sparse notes that say a lot which somehow fits, although it's different from Jerry's rolling thunder. And, yes, I'd much rather see Walter up there as leading than Bob Weir, who seems, IMHO, to take himself too seriously in to thinking he's filling Jerry's shoes. (If anyone fills Jer's shoes, it's Phil Lesh in my book.)
In short, Steely Dan and the Grateful Dead are opposite sides of the coin.
h
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 10:39:23 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware
Randy: My point was more that if you were to ask the average Joe to name a member of the Grateful Dead other than Jerry Garcia, he'd probably shrug his shoulders. It's similar with Steely Dan in that most journalists have credited the Dan's music to Fagen simply because he was front man and because he had a notable solo career. Even though I wrote that Garcia was the Dead, I meant it more from a public perception standpoint. Although I'm not familiar with the Dead, I respect the fact that they were a band that were a cohesive unit. I just wanted to point out that I don't agree with replacing a key member of a band under that same name and going out and charging top dollar for tickets (let's see, Journey, Chicago, Styx, Fleetwood Mac to name a few who tried it at one point or another).
Earl
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 09:54:33 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA
Claiming that "Jerry Garcia WAS the Grateful Dead" is a disservice; the Grateful Dead are a "band" in the truest sense, with all members creatively contributing (especially live). Garcia was certainly the band's "guiding light" (for lack of a better term) and best known, most visible member, but he was one part of an aggregate of musicians.
At the same time, the band is due credit for working under another name ("The Other Ones") after Garcia's demise, suggesting that the loss dictates that things are not (and cannot be) the same, assuredly due to Jerry Garcia's invaluable contribution.
Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 08:59:50 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware
Jimmy: Isn't the whole point of the Grateful Dead that their fans were so stoned that it didn't matter who sang? You could walk Roseanne /Barr/Arnold out there and no one would know the difference.
Actually, in a way, The Grateful Dead were the anti-Steely Dan. The Dead made their living off of constant touring, while the Dan did it in the studio. I'm sure there are some common bonds between the two (drug lyrics???).
As far as Fagen subbing for Garcia, I have to take issue with bands who change their lineup just for the sake of making money. Garcia was the Dead. There were other personalities, but most people couldn't name any other members of the band other than Garcia. So to walk out a Garcia replacement under the name "The Grateful Dead" would be as bad as the dudes from "The Doors" doing that pitiful concert on VH1 with Weiland and others filling in for Morrison.
Earl
Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 03:16:45 ET
Posted by: Jimmy Rizzo,
hi, first time poster here. hoops thanks for this forum as well as the digest. i love the "all steely dan talk" that goes on here. i also really enjoy all the metal leg stuff. are their many grateful dead fans here?
someone once said to me after jerry died that donald fagan would do a pretty good job replacing jerry on vocals. this kid was a huge deadhead. i could see it somewhat. he's got that higher pitched voice. phil lesh's voice is terrible imo. bob weir is not that bad, but jerry's was perfect for the music. i think they should bring donald fagan on stage for a show. it'd be cool. forget susan tedeschi, she's good for blues, but donald fagan could be interesting singing jerry tunes. anyone?
Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 23:37:58 ET
Posted by: h,
Which do you you want next? Let me know.
The "Classic Metal Leg" series continues next week with transcriptions of radio interviews with Becker and Fagen, right after The Reunion. They are quite long and they really should appear together.
In the mean time, Email as to which would you would prefer: a set of brief stories on the various CD remasterings of Steely Dan's classic MCA recordings —or— an interview with Donald Fagen from June 2000 via the "San Francisco Herald-Examiner"?
Hey, this is fun, and really, don't thank me, this is great.
h
Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 23:24:48 ET This installment continues with how Pat Metheny ended up on stage during
another NY Nights. As Donald always says, "Whatta night!" And I say,
"Wish I was there. Glad some of you were." And Thanks, Pete!hoops
] And the NY Nights kept rolling. Although they didn't come every single
Tuesday, when they happened, they happened. The nights always featured great
artists. Some of the notable greats were: Annie Ross, the great jazz singer,
Bob Dorough, noted for his vocal work with Miles Davis, Country artist Carolyn
Doctorow, Little Jimmy Scott, whose new record is being produced by Tommy LiPuma,
Joy Askew, keyboardist who has worked with Joe Jackson, Curtis Stigers, the
new pop star who got his start singing Dan tunes at Wilson's restaurant on NYC's
Upper West Side, actor Garu Busey, noted for "The Buddy Holly Story"
and numerous motorcycle mishaps, Dion DiMucci from Dion and the Belmonts, who
really got the place rockin', Joe Roccisano, of the Hoops McCann Band who did
a new big band arrangement of "The Goodbye Look," Sam Butler, from
The Gospel at Colonus and even Libby Titus joined in on the vocalizing. ©1992 Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador. Reprinted here with kind permission.
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Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 13:23:56 ET The same issue of Metal Leg also featured a couple of New
York-area newspaper reviews of the October 23, 1991 Lone Star live performance
reunion of Steely Dan. It's interesting to compare narrations, especially how
Vivino is quoted in each of the three accounts. You can bet Metal Leg
was hinging in every word and is the most accurate. Here are those two reviews. Kevin O'Hare, Union-News, Saturday, October 26, 1991 Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan fan John
Granatino has lovingly transcribed more than a few issues of classic Metal
Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm And, of course, Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at http://www.metalleg.com/
and his place Le Bar Bat is at
http://www.lebarbat.com.
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Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 13:25:18 ET Mark is probably too modest to want a lot of attention, but he deserves our good vibes. That
said
Best Wishes for a speedy recovery to Super Dan-Fan Mark Drinan who is recovering
from recent heart surgery. Mark, along with Bill Griffin, organized the Danny-award-winning
Boston Rag Danfest in 2000 that featured a phenomenal afternoon with Dinky Dawson,
of the 1970s tours fame. Through the decades, Mark and Bill have been
known to climb every mountain and ford every stream to experience Steely Dan
in each and every way possible. (Who could forget Bill racing around the East
Coast in 2000, unsuccessfully making attempts to catch "West of Hollywood"
live?) I'm sure all of our thoughts are with Mark, his lovely wife and their
family, and of course, his Dan-pal Bill. Looking forward to Mark's posts again.
I understand that Mark is not only looking forward to posting again , but to
also co-hosting another Boston Rag Danfest. As a form of inspiration, I thought we'd dedicate to Mark another one of those
classic Metal Leg stories that is not yet out on the web. [ Folks, it's
very nice of you but please, don't thank me for thesethank Pete Fogel
and company for the great Metal Leg stuff. What a legacy! ] I sure wasn't there when Walter and Donald performed Steely Dan tunes in front
of an audience for the first time in nearly twenty years, but thanks to this
amazing Metal Leg account, my pulse is racing just as if I were there.
The following is from Metal Leg Volume 5, No. 4 from April 1992: Libby Titus, the person responsible for starting the original NY Soul shows
at the Lone Star in 1989 that set up the reemergence of Donald Fagen, and also
serving as executive producer of the NY Rock & Soul Revue shows, hit another
home run with her "New York Nights" series at the Lodestar Roadhouse
in NYC in October '91 through January '92. Her showcases featured some of the
best live music performances that Manhattan has seen in years from a diverse
and eclectic group of rock, soul, jazz and blues artists. ©1992 Pete Fogel
and Bill Pascador. Reprinted here with kind permission. [ Part II of this story continues with how Pat Metheny ended up on stage for
an installment of NY Nights. That will be here another time. Can you wait? Will
include a couple of press reviews of the above event in the next few days. Whatta
night!hoops ]
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Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 15:50:39 Given the flurry of reprinted articles of late, I wouldn't be surprised if
Danfans found the Dandom Digest and the BlueBook to be the Steely Dan
equivalent of Nick at Nite. It's like a few prescious episodes of Metal
Leg have gone into syndicated reruns. "Whoo boy, they are still so
good after all these years!" Quality, Quality, Quality. Nothing could ever top Metal Leg, but inspired by all those really great
Metal Leg interviews of yore, myself, with some help from others, have
lined up some new interviews of a tangentially-Steely Dan nature. Several of these new interviews are in various degrees of progress, and every
now and then, or at least often enough, the Dandom Digest and the BlueBook
will present these, hopefully inspiring tangential Steely Dan discussion throughout
the greater Dandom and just not only here. Who says nothing's happening because
there's not yet a new album or tour? Here's the first one... Last spring, I was excited to discover the Justin Morell Quintet
via a fantastic album, >the music of steely_dan. Compelled
by the sublime understatement of the album, I decided to pose some questions
to the quintet's leader. The following is an account of that discussion from
late last Spring (2002). Thanks to Justin for his fascinating and in-depth responses,
not to mention his enduring patience with my getting this out. How and why did you come to make an album of songs by or inspired by Steely
Dan? ©2002 Jim McKay & Justin Morell. Used by kind permission. Visit http://www.justinmorell.com
Check out the most recent CD from Justin Morell Quintet, >the
music of steely_dan . I think it's one of the best Steely Dan tribute
albums that's ever been crafted. hoops
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October 2002 BlueBook Entries including Metal Leg's Georg Wadenius interview.
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Posted by: hoops , another installment of "Classic Metal Leg"
[ The following is a follow-up to last week's classic Metal Leg
outtakes about the New York Nights shows at Lone Star in Manhattan in late 1991.
Last week's exciting story was about The Reunionhow Walter and Donald ended
up on stage to play the first live Steely Dan songs since 1974.
There were also some interesting people in the audience: Julian Lennon, son
of John Lennon, John Robinson, noted LA studio drummer, Steve Lillywhite, U2
producer, Matt Bahr, NY Giants kicker.
Joe Jackson, who was checking out the action for a possible "Nights"
gig, had a temper tantrum when a waiter didn't recognize who he was. Jackson
also seemed more interested in getting a drink than watching the show.
But one person in the audience who was totally impressed by what he saw was
Pat Metheny. Metheny had taken a seat close to the Metal Leg publisher
and editor. On this particular night, Jimmy Vivino was in California and Drew
Zingg from NY Rock & Soul was substituting on guitar. Metheny turned to
us and said, "This is the best guitar player I've seen in years,"
and also commented that Donald was "great to watch live."
Metheny was also checking out the proceedings to see if he thought he would
fit in. Well, the next week, Metheny showed up again and was convinced by Jimmy
Vivino and Donald Fagen to come up and play "Chain Lightning." Metheny
did not want to play because he didn't have his own guitar. But Fagen wrote
out a quick chart of the chords for Metheny and before you knew it, Pat Metheny
was playing on this great song.
Metheny seemed to have a good time and we were hoping that we would see him
again for a longer set. We were really excited about the prospects of seeing
him do more with Fagen, but Metheny was extremely busy working at the Power
Station on his new solo record which he had promised the record label several
months ago. He was also spending 14 hours a day in the studio and it would be
hard for him to do anything since it would require a break in his schedule to
rehearse with Fagen and The Little Big Band.
But as things panned out, Metheny finally committed to a full night of music.
On December 2 [1991], a NY Nights show occurred that would be as memorable as
The Reunion. Metheny had made the rehearsals earlier in the day and this time
he had his own guitars.
So what songs would he play? Several months earlier, Jimmy Vivino had talked
to Donald about trying to do "Sign In Stranger." from The Royal
Scam. Fagen said he thought they were being a little "ambitious."
Metheny came on stage earlier than expected. This was probably because the band
had only rehearsed the song once earlier in the afternoon. Right before the
show, they discussed how they were going to end the song, and so it seemed they
wanted to get to it while everyone was still thinking about what they had to
do.
So before they started the song, the horn section exited the stage, leaving
Pat Metheny, Jimmy Vivino, Tom Barney (filling in for Harvey Brooks) on bass,
backup singers Mindy Jostyn and Catherine Russell, and the drummer. And as Donald
played the opening notes to this great song on the piano, the crowd exploded
again. While Vivino took the opening guitar parts, Metheny could be heard in
the background just warming up.
Then Jimmy made way for Pat as he took the solo in the middle of the song. It
was so unbelievably great, that it became too hard to put into words because
we were so taken in by Metheny's playing, that we found ourselves in another
world.
Metheny was so focused and seemed to be giving it his all for this once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity to play a solo on a Steely Dan song. He started turning weird colors
as he dived in deeper into the song, not coming up for air.
Metheny's style and trademark electric guitar sound mixed with the Steely Dan
sound was a mystical and exotic combination. For a group that had explored many
sounds, tonight's was another first.
Just as great was Metheny's playing at the end of "Josie" as Vivino
again traded licks with Metheny as he did with Becker at The Reunion.
At the end of this NY Night, people spoke of this being the best show they've
ever seen in their entire lives. We have to agree.
Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan super
fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed more than a few issues of classic
Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm
And, as always, Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at http://www.metalleg.com
and his place Le Bar Bat is at http://www.lebarbat.com.
Posted by: hoops, Earl, I'd roughly agree with those categories, but there will, as you suggest, be occassional exceptions.
Posted by: Jaco, UKHehe yeah, I suppose. I think Becker's understated guitar would have supported Jaco's frantic 16note runs and harmonics....
...*sigh*
Posted by: norm, Jaco"...would have been a bit maverick" - that's a very diplomatic way of putting it! One of my dream line-ups would have put Jaco together with Frank Zappa and Vinnie Colaiuta in an improv power trio. But oh well...
Posted by: Jaco, UKThat seems fair, Earl!
Posted by: Earl, DelawareJaco: I consider it this simple: there are two styles in the Steely guitar solo repertoire: Jazz and Rock 'n Roll.
Jazz = Becker, Dias, and Khan
Rock 'N Roll = Baxter, Randall, Derringer, Carlton, Graydon, Parks
Knopfler falls somewhere in the middle, but he almost doesn't count because it would be generous to call the interlude to Time Out of Mind a guitar solo.
So, on every tour, they've had two guitarists, one to recreate the parts originally done by the Jazz group (Becker), and one to play the RNR parts (Zingg, Wadenius, Krantz, and now Herington).
And to maybe clarify a bit, I'm not saying that Carlton is a Rock and Roll guitarist, because he's a great jazz guitarist. It's just that when he soloed for SD, his sound tended to be distorted and seemed to fit a more rock and roll utility than the solos that WB and Denny Dias played. It's sort of the same with the rest of the guys I listed as RNRers, except for Baxter. Skunk was pretty much the odd man out, and although he was an integral part of the early Dan, he fit in much better over in the pre-McDonald Doobies.
I'm sure someone will beg to differ...
Earl
Posted by: Jaco, UKI know your filthy mind: Fair enough, it happens often. And yes, I am a huge Jaco Pastorius fan! I would have loved to see the boys use him in their songs, but I suppose he would have been a bit maverick for D+W.
Boston Rag: Yeah, didnt Fagen have a throat infection? On their return to the US, he looked so gaunt that he was strip searched on suspicion of being a druggie! And that's interesting about Soft Machine too, thanks.
Hoops: Hi there, I've read so much about you, hehe, feels like I'm talking to a celebrity! I agree with you, I completely disagreed with John Etheridge - Becker wouldnt do that! I dont think Herington even outplays Becker, they are stylistically different players. I would say Herington is more of the Steely Dan old school such as Larry Carlton and Drew Zingg in his approach to those fast rampant solos, whereas Becker is much more restrained, bluesey and concerned with a laid back tone. [To my ears] And I wasnt saying Donald is a bolshie, nasty piece of work....saying that, I can hear his sneering tone criticising the band! I would love to meet him so much! He and Jaco are my altime heroes....with Billy Joel close behind! :D
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: norm, soft machineDaevid Allen, the original Softs guitarist (and later founder of Gong) knew William Burroughs, and so asked his permission to use that title for his band. Ya learn something new every day...!
Posted by: hoops, Mr. Ragg:
Didn't connect that about the name "Soft Machine."
Filthy:
What a perverted interpretation. It's delightful.
HowNow:
I think in every interview Joni's given in the past dozen or more years she says how ashamed she is to be part of the music industry and that she will never make another album. Then she makes another one. About the time "Both Sides Now" came out, the variation was that she was ashamed to be on Reprise since they dropped Rickie Lee Jones. She said something like, "I told them to drop me too or I will never record again." Don't get me wrong, I think she is pissed off for some good reasons, and she might one day make good on these threats and drop out of the recording rat race. But I don't think this is her "farewell album," despite what she says. When "Both Sides Now" came out, I think she said the plan was to eventually do three albums with an orchestra. The BSN version of "Case of You" is amazing. Diana Krall now covers it on her latest live album, although I haven't heard hers yet.
Howdy, Jaco. To add to Rag's comments, who knows how any person might react on a given day, or how someone would interpret that. That was over 25 years ago, so people change and so do their memories.
Regarding Walter's downplaying Jon on 2vN, Etheridge is entitled to his opinion but I can't see it. I can't see Walter Becker playing down someone's performance just to make himself look better. After reading all these interviews with Becker, it's clear the integrity and overall quality effect is what's he's after. Sure, the best performances or works of art work through healthy restraint and the collective effect, so maybe one player's performance might directed to contribute an overall effect rather than showcase one person's specific talents. But I can't Jon's performance being toned down to make Walter look good. (Hope I am not misinterpreting the point.)
Scott:
The San Jose Mercury News article on Marian McPartland is a treat. Great find.
Mr. Le Page:
I'll take "melodica" for 200 on the "True Companion" inquiry.
h
Posted by: Boston Rag, Jaco - Welcome to the Bluebook! You sound wise beyond your 18 years.
A further note to your story - The Soft Machine also took their band name from a William S. Burroughs reference.
Also, Donald was pretty sick on that tour. They pulled the plug because he couldn't go on. So maybe that was why he was crabby!
Cheers!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: I know your filthy mind, Sorry, Jaco. Since your email is i_am_melissa84@hotmail.com I thought you were a woman really named Melissa, who might be a Jaco Pastorious fan. Regardless, you made a funny. I liked it!
I also like the line, "the milk truck eased into my space" It brings to mind the 1950's bit about the housewife having the milkman visit for some daytime frolic while hubby is away. Then the baby grows up to look like the milkman. "Dad must be the milkman."
But my filthy mind can't help but think of the "milkman" parking his "truck" in this guy's "space" to deliver some "milk" or "cream," if you catch my drift. Maybe my mind is dirty than Steely Dan's.
Oh well.
Posted by: How now, So with Joni Mitchell now saying she's quitting the business after her new record comes out, because she hates record companies so much, I wonder if that spells disaster for the Joni tribute album that SD supposedly recorded "Carey" for? I would imagien that the record company needs her permission or at least cooperation to put this album out?
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I know your filth mind posted:
Jaco writes- "To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years! " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! You go, girl!
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I'm actually a guy......
.......................... :(
Yeah. Ah dear god.
Anyhoo, a few nights ago I went to see the guitarist John Etheridge [of The Soft Machine and Stephane Grapelli fame] at a bar in a trio setting in Scarborough, where I'm at uni. He put on a great show and I spoke to him at length afterwards.
We discussed his favourite artists and in particular guitarists. I asked if he liked Jeff "Skunk" Baxters playing. He said that he did, and that he saw Steely Dan in the UK in 1976 [I think] and managed to talk his way into their rehearsal at the Lyceum. He told me everyone was sitting around not doing anything until Fagen stood up, and drawled "Is anybody going to f*cking do anything and start this f*cking rehearsal?" Etheridge said he hadn't seen anyone as mean looking as Donald!
He also told me that on the 2vN DVD - I only have the VHS - Jon Herington's guitar sound is appalling.....and ventured the opinion that Walter Becker had deliberately mixed it like that as he was jealous of Jon's playing.
I scoffed at this......but still.......?
Regards
Jaco
Posted by: Howard,
A few thoughts on the "live vs overdubbed" SD recording approach:
I think the "live" aspect has probably been overstated. My guess is that, in contrast to some of the previous albums, they would try to get as much of the basic tracking done live. In other words, drums, bass, main keyboard, perhaps guitar. Rather than recording loads of takes with many combinations of players, only to end up using a drum track and overdubbing the rest of the rhythm instruments, they probably want to catch a nice tight performance of the whole rhythm unit.
Remember, they will end up tweaking in ProTools so they can edit or shift snare beats and keyboard parts around a few microseconds here and there to get those extra nuances if they need.
BUT, I very much doubt vocals would be recorded live. They will be probably be doing alternate vocal takes, punches etc, then piecing it together in Pro Tools. I'd guess that quite a lot of the keyboard extras, guitar fills, percussion, solos etc will also be overdubbed, and it would only be the core rhythm tracks that would have been attempted as an ensemble.
Howard
Posted by: I know your filthy Mind, Jaco writes- "To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years! " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! You go, girl!
The suggestive and innuendo thread also has me laughing. I always like the double-meaning on "Fire In The Hole." Serving your country and serving a Mrs Robinson type. Razor-sharp witticism.
I also like how in "What a Shame About Me," the lyrics and phrasing are so well-done that it evokes for me the image of Frannie starting to undress a bit right then and there in the bookstore in front of this guy. Pretty powerful.
In light of this discussion, isn't it facinating that "I Got The News" wasn't discussed on the "Making of Aja" DVD???
As Fagen puts it, they just limbo under the line.
Looking forward to McPartland. I can hear her laughing at those two right now.
Posted by: Mark Reid, BerkshireHello Everyone!
A big shout out to all you UK Danfans out there. I was reading the newly remastered CDs and DF/WB spell it 'Danfans' and not 'Dan Fans.' Isn't that funny?
The posts here have been amazingly great. After Jaco's post, I thought I would chime in with my own. I think it could be Fagen's melodica, too. Jaco, keep the faith.
The rumours of a new Dan album have me all tingly. I guess it won't be long now, meaning only 1-2 two more years wait. (LOL) Mu, you're very smart, but I think you have been outdone.
Speaking of Marian McPartland, you know she's was born a Brit! I read that Becker's mother is British also. Does any of Walter's relatives live in Britain? I know Fagen's parents live in Cleveland. It seems Steely Dan has a special relationship with the UK.
So my favorite part of the McPartland interview was this.
I'm sorry to hear about Scruffy O'Shea's passing. I'm sure he lived a long and scruffy life. A moment of silence please.
`And in any case, we don't only have piano players. At the moment I'm trying to get Woody Allen,'' who is a respectable jazz clarinetist.
``We just had Steely Dan on,'' McPartland continues, referring to Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, the musical partners who formed the popular jazz-influenced 1970s rock group. ``I didn't realize that Donald Fagen is a fine pianist. He loves to play duets with me -- Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington tunes. They're so funny, the stories they tell. It's one of the best shows I've had.''
How about a CD of this!? They should put one out.
Mark
Posted by: Scott, Freehold, NJMark! Thanks for the heads up on that McPartland story! Man, she sounds like a real fan of Steely Dan. Didn't someone here (Hoops?) mention that she once was a subscriber to Metal Leg? It's great that she's 84 years old and still so darn hip!
Posted by: Friend of the Blue, YO! Bluebookers!
If we are talking about the same thing, it's Fagen's melodica on TC.
The last official Steely Dan newsletter came out October 15. It was number 18.
Thanks for the quality, Hoops. It's contagious. Those others may not thank you, but we know.
Posted by: Mark, Verona NJMcPartland mentions Steely Dan at
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/4503686.htm
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Outside the stadiumI was playing DF's "True Companion" recently and wondering about the opening theme. It sounds to me like the same instrument used by Earth, Wind & Fire called the kalimba. If so, then likely it is DF playing it, provided it is considered a "keyboard". The credits on "SD gold" says DF (piano & keyboards). Any thoughts?
J.LeP.
Posted by: Jaco, UKHey there, I've only really run across this guestbook recently, and would like to extend my appreciation to all you learned DanFans out there, and to the guys who run it, and the Digest - Hoops in particular.
I'm fairly young by Dandom standards, I suspect - a mere eight and ten years. However, in my short life I have consumed all by the terrible twosome of Don and Walt, and regard myself as one of their biggest fans....at least among my age group! Indeed, I even had a Steely Dan Tribute band at one point...only played two gigs, but what gigs they were!
Well, my post runs short. I'm desperately looking forward to the new album, and hopefully a tour......I saw them in 2000 and it was the greatest night of my life! To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years!
I hope I havent violated any guestbook regulations....I have enjoyed the previous posts, especially the talk about the rollerskater lyricism.
I do have a question; when was the most recent Official newsletter? I am signed up, but didnt receive one recently.....yet there was talk of one in the Digest. And there isnt one on the official site. Could someone enlighten me please, and, if possible, forward me the most recent one?
Kind regards
Jaco
Posted by: W1P, Scruffy O'Shea's RIP!norm -- LOL, Scruffy's was a LONG time ago! Our setlist has indeed expanded since those days but not as far back as you would like. Once we played Fat Old Sun at the HOB and it was greated with yawns and apathy. So we've pretty much stuck to the "Big 4" which is a shame. We have added Echoes to the list and it goes over very well. Sheep has always been on our list but we probably just didn't play it that night you see us. Astronomy Domine will probably never make it to the list (there's kind of an internal argument going on with one side wanting to add David Gilmour stuff from Momentary Lapse and Division Bell and the other wanting the Syd Barrett and pre-Dark Side stuff -- the solution (unacceptable in my view) has been to stay with the hits). Mike Keneally has recorded an outstanding version of Astronomy Domine and Tom Freund has recorded Fearless for our "Fair Forgery" record so at least we'll be releasing the tracks in that context.
It's true that the club crowds are older these days and I think that reflect's our generation's committment to music. However, it's still tough trying to book original bands in this town.
Stew is top drawer -- your recommendation is right on. See you soon, W1P
Posted by: Michelle, NJHi everyone.
All this recording tech has me lost, but thank you for filling us in. As I understand it, whats to say Donald and Walter wouldn't master the new album various ways? Then they could choose the one they liked best? "Oh Dear Don and Walter Claus, pick for me the one final CD that sounds best of all." Everyones arguing so passionate, it just shows how much we love Steely Dan!
I knew it was Joni Mitchell's b-day last week, but I didn't know: RICKY LEE JONES HAS THE SAME BIRTHDAY. JM = 59 and RLJ = 48 on Nov 8. That is something! But maybe I am the last to know.
I agree!!! Walter would be good singing Everything Little Thing You Did, Baby. Do you think Walter will sing on the next Steely Dan album?
Headin' home.
Mich
Posted by: angel, I wait all night for calls like theseInside: Saw that coming days ago. A no brainer.
Posted by: inside-out, The Toy Specialist press release on the original site is gone.
Why it was NOT yanked: somebody wanted to keep the info hushed.
Why it WAS yanked: several serious factual errors
Any source who says different is probably just trying to cover his ass.
Thought some of you might be interested
Posted by: norm, re: TNPW1P - I saw you guys several years ago at (I think) Scruffy O'Shea's. A friend of mine brought me along, and although you guys were good, we were expecting more older material - which was purely our own issue, nothing against what you did play. I mean, here we are, a couple of old codgers, expecting Astronomy Domine and Fearless and Saucerful Of Secrets. That stuff would go over well if we were throwing a private party or something, but I imagine the club crowds prefer hearing what they already know (the 1973-1979 material). But if you haven't added Sheep to your set, you oughta.
Yeah, there's plenty of us keeping live music going in L.A. What's cool is that instead of the crowd being in their teens or early 20's, most of the people I see in the audiences are well into their 30's and 40's. By that age, most people are past caring about the latest media darling, and just check out what they like. Things are way more interesting and eclectic around here than they were 15 years ago, that's for sure.
Of course, most songwriters, while decent enough, still aren't on the level of someone like Stew. But as long as someone like him is encouraged to keep on, that's good enough. He's had the opportunity to tour with both Arthur Lee and Counting Crows, and he just did shows in LA and SF opening for Blondie, and the crowds usually love what he does. Again, I'd recommend Stew and The Negro Problem to anyone on this list, both for the quality of the material and for the overall sound. (http://www.negroproblem.com, natch.) I picked up his Sweetboot 2 at the gig last Saturday, and it was money well spent.
Posted by: Scott, Freehold, NJHoward Stern was playing the alleged Osama Bin Laden audio tape that was in the news yesterday and his only point of reference was to compare his communication tactics to that of.......STEELY DAN. You know " the two guys who weren't really a band , but would never come out in public or say anything and suddenly there would be an album out . Remember AJA , no tour , no nothing.... just two guys in hiding."
I paraphrased a little bit here but only because I almost drove off the road when he made the comparison.
Now that the connection's been made, probably worth a note to the boys that Donald can stop practicing the vocalizing in Arabic for the next album, and the updated versions they were planning on " I Got the Al Jazeera News" and the"Caves of Afghanistan" are probably a bad idea.
Wouldn't want Tom Ridge spending his limited Homeland Security resources staking out River Sound.
Scott
Posted by: Earl, DelawareMonsieur B: Listen, I was taking the "blind man/elephant" approach to this. Granted, if this press release contains factual information, it's great news for us fans. The conclusion would then be that the company didn't ask D+W if they could release the info? (since it seems like they have been very tight-lipped about what's been happening/is going to happen w/r/t album and tour) My point was more from a spin-control type of thing, where it seems that personal opinion gets interjects more than objective information.
Hey, I want to have a new album out as much as anyone.
Man, maybe I will enjoy spring more after next year: new album (???)and 1st child (~ May).
Earl
Posted by: monsieur b, the pressing plantFunny stuff. It's not enough that a piece of information is replicated on many serious Internet sites like this, including MIX Magazine's own site, a venture recently associated with the Dan, and one having regular features on Elliot Scheiner's work, people would rather believe some unfounded propositions by any murky source out there either because it fits their weird, pathological willingness to crash the party or because they think this inside out might be Walter Becker minus the wit, or Roger Nichols sans time to expound.
Sure.
As far as I'm concerned, the piece speaks for itself.
Springtime release.
Summertime dates.
Be happy, pal. You're allowed.
Posted by: Earl, DelawareThe addition of the insult "Toy Story" to inside-out's post makes me believe that 1) the person posting as inside-out has inside information, and 2) that "Toy Story" has become the insulting name they've taken to calling this firm in their little circle of engineer. It actually reminds me a lot of the comment that Roger Nichols was attributed as making in the Sweet book regarding Fagen starting Kamakiriad with other engineers. It was basically a dig at the engineers he used (one was a nephew of a former boss of mine). If I had the book w/ me, I'd cite the reference.
Anyway, inside-out is either a member of the team working on the project or an impersonator. Either way he is probably right...Mu doesn't know what's going on behind closed doors. It would not be out of the realm of possibility for a company (such as Toy Specialists, which sounds like it's trying to get feet in the door) to overstate it's contribution to a project.
And, as pure speculation to the live vs. overdub method of recording, D + W might just feel more confident with the fact this current rhythm section can rip off a good track w/o needing to rely on punching in. Or maybe they have become better at scribing their ideas so that their musicians have a better idea from the get-go about what they need to play. The interesting thing to observe will be if the vocals are also recorded "live", or if Fagen and/or Becker overdub the vocals. I think the vocals may be the only suspect thing in the live performances that I've watched. Not to mention the immense speculation that AIA vocals were overdubbed.
Until next time,
Earl
Posted by: hoops, Dang Internet was out over most of Chicago all day today. OUCH!
Thanks to all for the recording and mastering posts. Well, all I can say for sure is that there is a helluva lot in the recording and mastering process that I don't understand. But I do know one thing, can't wait for The Next One and everytime those Steely Dan CDs get remastered, they sound even better.
Regarding the request for a chatroom from a couple of weeks ago: thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I have an idea of what could be attempted differently but need to bounce it around.
Mr. Ragg:
Good to see you!
Posted by: DrMµ, inside/outside:
1) Mu: Ok, so you're an engineer. But your post(s) make clear to me there is much in the recording process you do not understand. You make several incorrect assumptions about the way things "should" or "must" or "would" go. By the way, It's not that I don't //understand// your reasoning, its simply that I know it to be incorrect. Sorry.
Explain. Vague generalities don't impress me. Besides I gave D&W and myself plenty of weasel room, NOR did I claim to have exquisite detail of the state of the art recording process. There is considerable work to do once on ProTools, They could always re-record to do the D/Z somewhere else...but I'm repeating myself. Besides, there have previously been some elegant explanations of the D/A process on prioir to this on the Guestbooks (by Howard? sorry if my citation here is fuzzy I believe and others) and the Immortal in various venues.
It should be pointed out that D&W no longer have Irving Azoff to buffer them from AOL Time Warner Ted Turner Whatever. In the past ABC, MCA, and Warner have left hem alone, accoring to SDs own words. Considering, the state of record sales, who knows if this is the case
2) The Toy Story article was not an engineering report. It was a modified press release designed to tout various commercial enterprises.
I said: This is an engineering report, *and* ad in a sense
The audience would be engineers, technicians and musicans.
It greatly overstates TS's centrality to the project and was also factually false on several points.
Again, you must be more specific. Are they using other D/A transfers? Roger Nichols? another company? Is TS lying? That would be unusual to say the least for engineers whose jobs depend on reliablity, accuracy, reproducibility. By centrality you must be implying that other D/A transfers will lead to finished tracks What evidence do you have? - so far, you've presented none...your word? Certainly, you have not exhibted an educational tone...
Posted by: inside-out, The Elephant Pen1) Mu: Ok, so you're an engineer. But your post(s) make clear to me there is much in the recording process you do not understand. You make several incorrect assumptions about the way things "should" or "must" or "would" go. By the way, It's not that I don't //understand// your reasoning, its simply that I know it to be incorrect. Sorry.
2) The Toy Story article was not an engineering report. It was a modified press release designed to tout various commercial enterprises. It greatly overstates TS's centrality to the project and was also factually false on several points.
Posted by: Howard,
(Repost from the yellow:)
Am I the only one totally gobsmacked by the news?
They're recording to 2 inch analog tape?!?!? And THEN they're converting to ProTools? That is more surprising to me than the news that the project is "complete".
They are, after all, recording with Roger Nichols, who is - how can I put it - fairly keen on the whole digital recording idea. Surprising, intriguing.
As for the authenticity or accuracy of the reports:
any news is very welcome, and full marks to mr B for catching that excellent snippet. But the bottom line is, until we hear from D+W that the project is done - mixed, mastered and complete - we should always treat these reports with a little caution.
For example, the article says that over a year ago "Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs". These were then transferred from 2" analog tape and converted to ProTools sessions on DASH tape. As I understand it, they have just done the same thing with another bunch of tracks. This in itself doesn't say anything about the finality of the project. They did this in 2001 with some tracks, they've done it recently with some more.
Also, the talk of mixing may just refer to mixes of individual tracks. We shouldn't necessarily conclude that the entire album has been mixed. And any mixes that have been done can, of course, be rejected and done again. Several times.
The only bit that indicates to me that the project may actually be near to completion is the quote:
"We've been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix"
Talking about "the 5.1 mix" hints that the whole album has indeed been mixed, and we're not talking about individual tracks mixes. Who knows, maybe the report is true and that mixing really has been finished for the album. Or maybe the guys quoted haven't properly understood what stage the recordings are actually at. Who knows? When there is substantial news at steelydan.com, that's the time to start celebrating!
Howard
Posted by: Boston Raqg, Here's hoping for a spring release with a summer shed tour! Although 'cautiously optimistic' is how I'm approaching Mu's latest scoop. I remember Donald and Walter saying last year they were going for a "live" sound with a set band playing with no overdubs and capturing the song on the first or second pass. So I don't doubt they have the songs completed and recorded. With the set band approach they won't be bringing in 47 different musicians and this would speed up one part of recording the new one.
I was at a great show at the Paradise last night to see Fountains of Wayne. I met Chris Collingwood out on Comm. Ave. before the show and he told me they had 17 songs in the can and they were in the process of sequencing and mastering them. Chris said the new FOW would not be out until March/April. So even though songs are complete, there's still a long way to go in post-production. Then you have to bring in the marketing an PR teams. So I don't see D&W having their CD ready any time soon.
Hoops, Sean & all thanks for the get well wishes. I'm feeling better everyday and should be 100% by Thanksgiving.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: DrMµ, I/O: Let me make it simple. This is an engineering report, and ad in a sense, regarding the status of a critical stage of the recording process. It's not a report from AOL Time Warner Ted Turner Whatever or D&W on the status of the album release nor the finality of the product. How do I know it's an engineering report? I'm an engineer...remember next time re: Abraham Lincoln's saying about removing all doubt...You made it needlessly personal, consistent with signing anonymously...
We should also keep in mind that D&W have a secrecy thing regarding their recordings, and a history at being completely forthcoming on their own whims, which is fine by me.
Posted by: DrMµ, inside-out: I think you've completely missed the logic. As I stated there is all kinds of monekying around that can be done. Schiener could screw around with ProTools for the next 9 years like it's the next Peter Gabriel project, if he wanted to. But getting the recordings into a final digital format is "complete" and that's not my quote. Finité. Done. That doesn't mean the final master, but that's the next step. It is illogical for Scheiner to got through the whole process again. IMHO, the likelihood that D&W might just scrap the abort the whole project, as they did in the mid 80s, is *infinitely* greater if they don't like this form than completely re-recording the tracks or spending another 14 months at another studio with equipment that would be less than the state of the art (the new new thing). Again, if they hold, add, or replace tracks, but then they would have to re-reserve time with Toy Specialists...and they haven't yet. Yeah, I can see Fagen listening over and over and over again for that one millisecond off. Walter's probably playing golf and thinking about the Windham Hills days.
Posted by: inside-out, Mu - you //sound// like you know what you're talking about...but you really don't. There are sequence and order and timing possibilities in recording and mixing and mastering that you apparently don't know about. The Toy Story article is just another blind man groping the elephant
Posted by: DrMµ, Hoops:
There's a BIG difference relying on information from session players and getting information from digital audio engineering facilities for mixing. We all know from various stories and the Aja video, that session musicians were shuffled in and out faster than a JLo marriage. Plus, they tend to stretch the truth. Purdie claims to have played on every track since Katy and all of the Beatles' stuff.
On the other hand, for consistency, Eliiot Scheiner would want the final mixing to be in the same reproducible manner with the same technology. It's an integration or funneled site - engineers are tethered into reality as they or their instruments see it, and thus there's far more stock in that type of source. If this were IIToW II, they might mix additionally in Hawaii. However, I doubt it seriously for the follow-up to TvN. Thus, the Toy Specialists would have to be contracted again for time, facilities, etc. While there is no indication of that occuring yet, W&D COULD always contract happen for additional tracks. They could also decide that TS sux, and start or have started again. NO GUARANTEES that this is the final project The one dfear I have is that over 50 ears, and Fagen's obsession with canned rhythm, could cause them to revisit the tracks over and over again needlessly. One word: GAUCHO
Posted by: hoops, Dr.Mµ:
I hope this does indeed signal the pending release. That technical info is very interetsting. At the same time, The Charmer makes some good points. Steely Dan Newsletter #18 suggested we might see some twists between what the other sources say and what Becker/Fagen actually do, so maybe The Charmer is correct.
Dirk:
Good to hear from you. I swear I will get the Düsseldorf Danfest footage out there :-) Thanks for the Carlton link.
Beerberian:
Used to run "Vandom Digest" but Siegel in the Nederlands is doing a great job now. Fans on that list are a unpredictable, prickly bunch, just like Van. Yes, Pee Wee is great on "Days Like This" (the album), although I like Van's solo on the title track. Glad the Brian Kennedy parrot vocals are gone on his more recent studio albums. Hope he gets out of his suit by Linda Gayle Lewis or we may never see him in the States again, as I understand it.
Moray Eel:
Great facts.
Lucky:
Wish I could help, hope someone else does.
Peg: Thanks for the Joni update. Can't wait for the album.
Le Page:
I will dig some more about the Kama b-sides credits.
h
Posted by: DrMµ, Charmer: What is described is a process that is performed at the very end of the recording and mixing sessions in making the master. However, Donald and Walter reserve the right, as often is the case. to re-record, trade in a new song, etc.. Unlike the Gaucho and Katy erasure fiascos, digital audio can be backed up empteen times with no generational loss. The 24 bit ProTools files and 5.1 mixing indicate, this baby would be ready for DVD-A simul-release...
We'll believe it when we hear it...
Posted by: I'm a Real "Charmer", BrooklynMµ. Tickled to here.....but then......
Don't get me wrong, info on a new album is a thrill we don't have to pay for. But then I must not get my hopes up. Wasn't "Gaucho" in the can for almost a year before it actually came out? The music industry gutters are littered with musicians and recording technicians who thought their sessions made a Steely Dan album, only to be later surprised by those jokesters we might call Donny and Walty.
Still, it would be swell to celebrate the third anniversary of the Steely Dan Newsletter with another similar communiqué this Thanksgiving weekend, saying their new project is coming any minute.
Go ahead, call me a real "Charmer", wink wink.
Posted by: Dirk, For a nice Larry Carlton Medley incl. Kid Charlemagne and Don't Take Me Alive please check out :
http://www.larrycarlton.net/lc_sounds.shtml
Posted by: DrMµ, Earth to BlueBookcourtesy of Monsieur ß:
THE TOY SPECIALISTS AT SCHARFF WEISBERG OUTFITS PRESENCE STUDIOS/STEELY DAN
Transfermat Provides Conversion from 2" Analog Masters to 24-Bit ProTools and From ProTools to DASH Tape
New York October 14, 2002
New York based rental company, The Toy Specialists @ Scharff Weisberg recently supplied Presence Studios in Westport, Ct. with a package of outboard equipment. The equipment was used to complete Steely Dan?s (Warner Bros.) newest album produced by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen and mixed by Elliot Scheiner. The Toy Specialist?s format conversion facility, TransferMat, also worked on the project, converting the 2" analog masters to 24-Bit ProTools files for the mix and then to DASH tape for mastering.
The project is being recorded and mixed in Studio A on Presence?s Neve VR-Legend 60. "We?ve been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix," comments Presence Partner, Jon Russell. "They are among our most discriminating clients so when they request an esoteric piece of equipment, or when they need equipment of the highest caliber, I always got to The Toy Specialists because I know they?ll have it and that it will be in good shape."
The full package included Summit TLA-100 Limiters, Prism Dream AD-2 A-to-D Converters, Prism Dream DA-2 D-to-A converters, dbx 160SL Compressor Limiters, Meyer HD-1 Powered Monitors, Massenburg 8200 Equalizers, and Massenburg 8900 Compressors. "We have enjoyed working with all the folks at Presence Studios since their move to Westport many years ago," commented The Toy Specialists? Bill Tesar.. "Jon and Kathy run a very professional operation. It's a pleasure to provide them with the latest toys for the many high profile projects conducted there."
TransferMat?s involvement in the project began in the summer of 2001 when recording guru, Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs. The tracks were recorded on 2" analog tape at 15 IPS with Dolby SR. TransferMat transferred the songs into ProTools using Apogee AD-8000 converters to create 24-bit files. The ProTools sessions were then transferred to DASH tape, utilizing the Apogee UV22 dithering process to feed 16-bit signal to the DASH machine. Also, on several occasions, T.J. Doherty, who had been handling most of the overdubbing sessions on the project, brought in DASH reels to be cloned via DASH lock.
"As a studio owner, the last thing I want is a late night call at my home that the rental gear is out. I always push to use The Toy Specialists because I know the equipment will work. I just don?t have to worry about them," concludes Russell.
The Toy Specialists at Scharff Weisberg is the leader in professional audio rental equipment. For more information on The Toy Specialists at Scharff Weisberg, call 212-333-2206.
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Posted by: W1P, LAHi Norm -- W1P here. Stew and the Negro Problem are very much a part of the local LA scene that we have been attempting to nuture to great apathy over the past couple of years. The Internos Music Organization (which benefits local music education for kids) has released a benefit CD http://www.internosmusic.org that features Stew as well as Sally Semrad and Tom Freund (both of whom have contributed tracks to my soon to be released Pink Floyd tribute compilation "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"). There was a really funny interview with Stew in the recently deceased LA News Times where Stew talks about moving to the Valley and how it is filled with a species he didn't know existed -- angry white people! We have attempted to contribute to this scene with bands from the "Stanley Recordings" family of artists (and friends). These acts include Baby Lemonade, Arthur Lee & Love (which is now Baby Lemonade), Tom Freund, Yortoise, Sally Semrad, Courtney Fairchild, 50 Cent Haircut, Harvette, The Danny Allen Band, The Wild Colonials, North Green, Ira, Numira, Shaun Guerin, Mike Keneally, Honkystomp, Pi Gamma and Rat Bat Blue. I'm glad there are folks out there like you, Norm, who are paying attention to local/indie/unsigned music in LA. Maybe we'll catch you at a show? (This Thursday is a good one -- Sally Semrad, Yortoise, The Danny Allen Band and Mike Keneall at 14 Below in Santa Monica).
Posted by: Beerberian , Hoops ; AND Pee Wee does some fine work on "Days like these" Too !!!
Posted by: Beerberian - waxing his skis, From www.jonherrington.com - "Jon's gig in New York City with his band on November 18th has unfortunately been cancelled. We shall update the site with any revised plans in due course"...... Obviously been pulled out of circulation for a pre xmas launch !!!!! I wish !!
Hoops; Never had you for a Van the Man supporter ..... Ref The healing game According to a Van list member, the person on the cover with Van is Van's master of ceremonies, Haji Ahkba, a former member of the James Brown Horns, and formerly known as George Dickinson.
Fave sax non SD Wesley McCoogan "Will You" Hazel O Connor
Posted by: hoops, chi-townI woke up in the middle of the night with this idea that if there is ever a New York Rock and Soul Revue again (or something like it), such a revue should feature someone like Boz Scaggs, etc, cover "Me and Mrs. Jones" made famous by Billy Paul. "Miss-us...Mrs. Jones, Mrs, Jones, Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones…we gotta thing going on…" or something like that.
"Everything You Did" covered by Walter? YES INDEEDY! I could see that. "Where did the bastard run?"
The lyrics thread is great. I think so many people—usually non-fans— forget that most of what is "offensive" about a Steely Dan lyric is simply how their own dirty mind interprets the lyric. I mean litterally, what's wrong with asking "Who has a friend named Melody. Who likes to try new things?"
And why did that lady find "Cousing Dupree" disturbing? Hey's it's overt but Janine basically tells Dupree to get lost which is pretty assertive for women. And although certain media types like to exploit that somehow it's naughty for a someone to get the hots for their cousin, I believe it's legal in several states. Why aren't they for tough legislation? Why are the topics of Steely Dan songs naughty but not so naughty when they are the topic of TV sitcoms?
Growl, growl, growl.
h
Posted by: moray eel, I've Got The NewsSpanish kissing is slang for cunnilingus. The name "spanish kissing"(using the tongue and lips on the female genitalia) is a variation on "french kissing"(using the tongue and lips on another orafice).
Our hero's efforts prove productive because..
(She)came raging
Love rampaging
Really, this song is one big sex-o-rama...
You're a screamer...
You know how to hustle...
I got the news...
Can't you see our love will grow?
Take it in your hand...
Slow down, I'll tell you when...
I may never walk again...
I think the term "rollerskater" was primarily west coast slang. Obviously, it is no longer in steady use, having given way to a thousand other names: BJ, hummer, Lewinsky, head, etc.
m.e.
Posted by: lucky, west virginiai need the bass line to red clay....by freddie hubbard...i need it..like i know the chord changes...but i need the actual bass line, i'm clueless..
Posted by: Peg, Cookin Cincy chiliOkay, I had guessed for a long time that the line "take me along when you slide on down" and following had to do with sex. But that it was related to roller skating? And you have that info about roller skating on good authority? Hmm...they put a picture of roller skaters in the 2VN Cd inserts, ya know....Well, I guess we little chix from Cincy are very very naive! Gonna haveto hide the inside of 2Vn now from any youngsters who might open it up and see those skaters! For Shame! :)
I finally figured out who my Number Two is: Stevie Wonder. Took me a while cause I like soo many folks.
I just read a review of Joni MItchell's new orchestrated version of herself that ripped it rather raw. Think the review was in Rolling Stone, so who knows, it might be great. By the way, the editor of Performing Songwriter said in her latest editorial that she quit subscribing to RS. I can figure out a few reasons why I would do so myself.
Finally, a question (after such ambling!): I have been looking to buy/listen to good (and currently recording -- not from yesteryear) Latin jazz. It can't be poppy or Sanata-ish. No Cuban stuff, please --It needs to be more Central America/Brazil/etc. Any suggestions from fellow Dan Fans will be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: Lucie, opening the red doorEwwwwwww...Now what a tittilating thread! Sexual slang and innuendo in Steely Dan songs! That said, let me offer the next proverbial bite.
"Spanish Kissin' /See it glisten" from "I Got The News."
Is it correct that "Spanish kissin" is sloppy wet oral sex and is a reference to certain sexual organs all glistening and lusciously moist? If so, any specific anatomical parts? Perhaps only a roller-skater would know for sure.
This is so educational. Leave it to Donald and Walter to fill us in on the facts of life. I'm already gaining a new appreciation!
Love,
L
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Alone at lastMy vote for the best sax solo is Doctor Wu.
Steve Bodohaski: The tenor sax player on Ruby Baby is Michael Brecker.
Question(s): Were the songs "Confide in Me" and "Big Noise New York" recorded by Fagen for the Kamakiriad sessions? And what about "Shanghai Confidential"? Was that tune in the movie "Bright Lights Big City", but just didn't make it onto the soundtrack album? If so, is that Georg Wadenius playing lead guitar?
John Le.P
Posted by: moray eel, A rollerskater is a girl that performs fellatio. The protagonist just found out that his girl practices this sexual act with her lover. He would like to receive the same treatment.
"Rollerskating" also "comes up" in Hey Nineteen.
Please take me along
When you slide on down
Nice...
Sure looks good
Umm... Umm... Umm
Skate a little lower now
m.e.
Posted by: norm, Stew/TNPLast night I saw L.A.'s own The Negro Problem at Spaceland. Great, as always. Their leader Stew tends to write really strong melodies that make the often acerbic lyrics go down easier, which is something I think Dan fans can appreciate. Plus, I consider him to be one of the best songwriters to come out of Los Angeles in the last forty years, which is saying a lot.
There are three albums out under the TNP name, plus a couple under Stew's name; all are worth getting, and there's not a bad song in the bunch. I turned Stevee onto a TNP comp recently, so I'm just wondering if anyone else here is familiar with their music.
Posted by: Rollerskater, In "Everything You Did," I don't understand the lines:
I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You gonna show me later
Is this clever somehow or are they just "dummy lyrics" that sounded fine and stuck?
A Walter vocals song on the next tour?
Posted by: Mark Stewart, Canton, GeorgiaDear Hoops,
Thank you (and Pete Fogel) for the Metal Leg stories and the other reprints, I also never heard of these stories. How did the Littke Big Band get started? Does Jimmy Vivino appear on any Steely Dan or Fagen records? Didn't he play with Conan O'Brien at one point or on SNL? This is like a long lost chapter in the history of Steely Dan. I am envious of JK and the other posters who were there.
My favorite sax solo is West of Hollywood on the Two Against Nature DVD. I think it is cool that this is a first take by Chris Potter, in front of a live audience.
My favorite non-Steely Dan sax solo is Michael Brecker on Still Crazy After All These Years by Paul Simon. Paul is my second favorite. Have Paul Simon and Donald or Walter every worked together? Randy Brecker doesn't get as much attention as Michael but everyone likes his sax better.
I hope there is a tour in 2003.
I'll try and write more in the future.
Later,
Mark
Posted by: John, Erie, Penn.Speaking of Steve Martin, he's hosting the next Oscars. His humor is not the same as Steely Dan's, but it is in the same league.
I didn't know about all this Lone Star stuff. How come nobody talks about it? All news to me. Good news.
John
Posted by: Sax + Violynz, BABYLONIAHow come no one's mentioned Blue Lou Marini's solo on Steve Martin's KING TUT!? One of the best novelty tunes ever!
Posted by: hoops, On my way into work today, I listened to a CD-R of 90s Van Morrison. Two amazing sax solos by Pee Wee Ellis: from the 1997 album "The Healing Game, " "Rough God Goes Riding" and the title track. Both gave me chills listening to them and I had to listen multiple times, as always. Van has this way of making huge gestures and bringing them to the edge without going completely over the top. "The Healing Game" is Coltrane meets gospel meets doo-whop. IMHO, one of Van's top five songs and both are amongst my favorite sax solos ever.
I like jk's explanation of Walter trying to take off his sweater. I couldn't picture Walter trying to hide behind a sweater.
What's with all the Greatest Hits compilations from boomer artists? The only new CD coming out is Joni Mitchell's followup to "Both Sides Now." According to an interview I read around the time of BSN's release, this will be the second of a triumvarate of orchestral albums. More orchestral arrangements of her classics. She's got that Billie Holiday thing going.
Steve:
You're right. Morell is in his mid-20s.
I'm not especially excited by the RRHoF inductees this year.
h
Posted by: h, Response from ICE MagazineReceived a response from ICE Newsletter/ICE Magazine regarding the "Gaucho" DTS 5.1 release date for this past week:
Hi Jim,
I checked with DTS and the version of Gaucho you currently have is the same as the reissue. It looks like the 5.1 version wasn't available for a while. You can get more details at www.dtsEntertainment.com.
As for "m.d.," that simply stands for "music disc". It's included in the legend at the top of release dates, first page.
I hope that helps! Thanks for contacting us.
Dayna Cramer
ICE Magazine
New Release Editor
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I did check the dts site and couldn't find anything indicating what might have changed,etc. It has been hard to find so I guess it was indeed out of production. Yet, after all those MCA CD master screw-ups in the late 80s and early 90s, you know why I am paranoid.
h
Posted by: jk, hey - i've been to a ton of concerts in my 67 years on the planet, but the fagen/becker reunion at the lonestar was one of the most electrifying experiences i ever had. (there was the night in the girls dorm in maine one summer…)
those 400 or so people screaming like they were being flayed alive seemed louder to me than a stadium full of people excited by the stones. it was transcendental! i think my feet actually left the ground.
was that the launch of steely dan II? it is very possible. thank you pete, jimmy, and libby. i'd kill to see more of those type shows in nyc.
2. no one seems to mention it but i remember quite clearly that becker had removed his sweater, was headed up to the stage and then turned around to put his sweater back on. had to look good - ya know.
3. i take exception to houps saying that ML is a more accurate account of the evening. i have known critic ohare for 2 score and more. he is incredibly adept at his job at a newspaper that is not based in the new york area. ML was and remains the bible, however.
ok - who has an "in" at the marian MP show.
digging people who wear big smiles,
jk
Posted by: Dave, What I get a big kick out of is how they talk about Fagen's album having a release date in 1992. Puts any news we might hear about the new project in perspective.
Lynryrd Skynyrd was one of those that did not get in to the Rock Hall of Fame. I think they would be a no-brainer to get in, even though I don't especially like them. Maybe they figure they have to reject somebody so they pick the one with the most dead people. That way they can't be pissed. But really, wouldn't it be classy to put them in right away, given all they have been through? How come no sympathy vote. Oh I know, since most of members are dead, THEY have no one to send them spicy mustard and Swedish Ginger Cookies. Seriously, very sad. Shame on the Hall and shame on me.
Pete Christleb for FM...Tops!
I know the song sucks, but the sax on Glenn Frey's The One You Love has always been a nice one to neck with chicks during.
Thanks for the accolades, Dave Fan. Or do you mean a different Dave and I am just being vain as usual???? Are you asking for more details of Dylan covering Warren Zevon? I'm just commenting on what Sir Hoops wrote about it. Wish I coulda been there though.
I'm for Blue Chat. We need a place where we can mix.
Dave
Posted by: One who was there, One additional note about that Oct.23/91 reunion show that was cool: When Walter finally climbed up on stage and was putting on the guitar, Donald introduced him to the crowd as "Gus Mahler". WB laughed. Maybe their only acknowledgment to the old days when they used to call themselves Tristan Fabriani and Gustav Mahler.
I still get the chills thinking about that night! There will never be anything quite like it, ever again.
Posted by: hoops,
Reunion Reviews
Wayne Robbins, Newsday, Friday, October
25, 1991
Reelin' In a Brief Steely Dan Reunion
Becker and Fagen Share a Song Onstage
STEELY DAN FANS ARE CULTISH ENOUGH to be described as Deadheads in ties instead
of tie-dye. But while the Grateful Dead is renowned as a touring band, Steely
Dan's allure derives from its near pathological avoidance of the stage.
Beloved for it's melodically innovative, lyrically challenging, impeccably crafted
recordings, Steely Dan had essentially stopped performing as a group in the early
1970s. And in 1980, Steely Dan partners Donald Fagen and Walter Becker parted
ways. Since then, their individual output has not been prolific.
Becker lives in Hawaii and intermittently produces other artists. Fagen, who lives
in New York, recorded his last album, "The Nightfly," nine years ago.
He tests his notorious stage fright by performing with large ensembles of changing
personnel under the rubric The New York Rock and Soul Revue. Wednesday night at
the Lone Star Roadhouse in Manhattan, he was one of the expected performers on
a new series hosted by his friend Libby Titus called New York Nights.
That Becker was in New York helping Fagen record a new album fueled speculation
that the two might perform together at the Roadhouse-no small event, since the
two are said to have been on a stage just once since the last Steely Dan concert
17 years ago.
The drama built as Jimmy Vivino's Little Big Band kicked off the show, in a club
in which every available inch of space was filled an hour before showtime. Fagen,
playing melodica, was a sideman for a while before taking center stage to sing
the Steely Dan hit, "Green Earrings."
In keeping with the revue spirit, Phoebe Snow, another New York Rock and Soul
regular, shook the room with a passionate, explosive version of the Memphis standard
"I Can't Stand The Rain." Then it was Fagen's turn, delivering his own
showstopper with Steely Dan's "Deacon Blues" chord changed that give
you chills, death-wish lyrics that freeze your spine.
Rick Danko of The Band continued the mood of real music for real people, singing
"Stage Fright," evoking images of a Joe Cocker with less gristle and
more torment.
Finally, Vivino set up the evening's dramatic moment. "Does Walter Becker
want to get on stage with us?" He asked.
The Dan-oids in the house shrieked, begged, implored. When Becker finally started
walking to the stage, there was pandemonium, strangers giving each other high-fives
and screaming "Yes! Yes!" as Fagen, Becker and the band launched into
Steely Dan's "Josie."
The intense emotion of the moment overshadowed another meaningful reunion Wednesday
night. Cyndi Lauper was next up on the bandstand singing her heart out on Otis
Redding's "These Arms of Mine" and on "Money Changes Everything"
from her triumphant debut album, "She's So Unusal" Lauper's career has
floundered sine that 1983 recording, in no small part due to her estrangement
from some of her co-musicians on the project, Eric Baziliand and Rob Hyman, who
became the core of Hooters. (Hyman and Lauper wrote the now-standard "Time
After Time.")
Hyman and Bazilian were on-stage, too, on Wednesday, lending both moral and musical
support to Lauper's performance. Their rapprochement with Lauper, Fagen and Becker's
reunion, gave the satisfying feeling that maybe you can go home again.
Steely Dan Reels In Years With Rare Live Show
NEW YORK-Steely Dan is back.
Briefly, perhaps, but long enough so that a stunned New York crowd could witness
band co-founders Donald Fagen and Walter Becker's first live run through Steely
Dan material in 17 years.
The event took place Wednesday night at the Lone Star Roadhouse on West 52nd
Street in New York City. It had been billed in advance under the seemingly innocuous
marquee of "Libby Titus Presents New York Nights." But for fans of
the seminal '70s band, it turned into a trip into the musical stratosphere.
Similar in format to some of the New York Rock and Should Revue shows Fagen
has been occasionally staging during the past year, the evening featured standout
performances from several other stars.
The musical lineup included Phoebe Snow, Cyndi Lauper, The Band's Rick Danko,
veteran bassist Harvey Brooks and members of Philly faves the Hooters.
But the night belonged to Becker and Fagen, the quirky, reclusive duo who took
a sophisticated blend of beebop jazz, offbeat lyrics and incredible pop sensibilities
to the top of the charts in the '70s.
A standing room crowd of about 400 caught Wednesday's first show. Many of them
were Dan devotees who'd been tipped off to the possible reunion by a New Yorker
named Pete Fogel who runs a Steely Dan fanzine called "Metal Leg."
Following a powerhouse opening by the 13-piece band, Fagen sheepishly made his
way through the crowd to the back of the stage. He added some melodica (his
instrument of choice these days) flourishes to the Motown gem "Can't Get
Next To You," before taking stage center and launching into a sizzling
version of Steely Dan's "Green Earrings."
Snow turned in vocal showcases on "I Can't Stand The Rain," and Creedence's
"Long As I Can See the Light," and then came one of the night's musical
treasures-a riveting take of "Deacon Blues," off of Steely Dan's "Aja."
Fagen sang the song superbly, and the horn section built to an emotional crescendo.
It was shortly after this that Becker was seen, standing to the side of the
audience and setting off a flurry of whispers among those in attendance.
At least part of the credit for the reunion goes to Fagen's current guitarist
Jimmy Vivino, who played no small part in getting a seemingly hesitant Becker
to take the stage.
After Danko's crisp, horn-thumping renditions of The Band's "Stage Fright,"
and "It Makes No Difference," Vivino grabbed the microphone.
"If Walter's out there, I'd love to invite him up," said Vivino, "just
to play the solo, just to play the solo."
The crowd exploded.
After hemming and hawing a bit, the reluctant Becker took the stage to a standing
ovation. He briefly embraced Fagen, strapped on his guitar and the band tore
into the "Aja" gem "Josie."
Though Fagen and Becker have made a couple of rare joint appearances backing
other musicians (including Stevie Wonder one early morning at the China Club
a few years ago), this was the first time they'd been in public performing Steely
Dan material since the summer of 1974.
Becker exited the stage after the song, but returned later in the set for Steely
Dan's "Chain Lightning," and a fast and furious "Black Friday."
He briefly cracked up after the air-tight ending, one of the few times he or
Fagen broke a smile.
The show closed with a chaotic full company take of the frat house anthem "Wolly
Booly," with Vivino, Snow and Lauper trading vocals. There was something
supremely ironic seeing Becker and Fagen, two of the pop world's most elusive
craftsmen, closing a night like this with "Wooly Booly." Sam the Sham
would have loved it.
While the singers went wild up front, the two Steelys played it cool in the
background. The stoic stage presence came as little surprise since the pair
always were musicians much more than glamor boys. In fact, they look more like
conservatively-attired chemistry professors than pop stars these days.
But don't count on the reunion to be a weekly deal. Becker is reportedly headed
back to his home in Hawaii, and is likely to maintain his low-key lifestyle.
He occasionally emerges to do some producing and is expected to play a key role
in Fagen's long-anticipated second solo album, supposedly slated for 1992.
They may be forever uncomfortable with the limelight and the road, but it was
obvious Wednesday that there's still a stage yearning burning deep down in each
of them.
If anything, the show perhaps revived hope that these guys could someday make
their way back for a full-blown Steely Dan tour. Nostalgia? No way. One listen
to the Lone Star set showed Becker and Fagen are still light years ahead of
their time.
Posted by: DrMµ, Steve: Michael Brecker
Posted by: Lisa G, NJP.S. Thanks also, Hoops for the Phil Woods tour information. Too bad I'll be missing the Cape May Jazzfest, but the drummer in my band will be there. Hopefully, I'll get some of the skinny from this coming weekend when we next rehearse.
Posted by: Lisa G, NJGreetings all!
Tristan GF3 has been keeping me abreast of his thoughts via e-mail and his latest missive has drawn me here, albeit after a very long time out of the loop. Anyway, I've skimmed through this Book in Blue and wow, what I have been missin.' It's also wonderful to "see" so many I've lost contact with. Permit me to shout out to a few old friends.
KD, how have you been, kiddo? It's been too long. Glad to see you're still onhoops.
Mu hard to believe it's been that long since that punk trio of blonds invaded the US with their tour before the album. Seems like "no time at ahh-ahh-all....." has past.
Howard, I missed you bro! Must pop on ovah to your site to see what's cookin' in the analysis dept.
The Metal Leg backflashes are a treat and quite a wonder to those of us relatively new to the greater Dandom. (I'm talking like 3 years, here.) Also frothing at the impending Metheny tale.
It's nice to drop in and see what's happening. Thanks, Hoops for your dedication to this and the newsletter. I will be lurking a bit more these days, methinks.
Hello to all in Blue!!!!!!!!
Thankful and Thoughtful,
Lisa G
(TGus3, watch your e-mail, dear.)
Posted by: Steve Bodohaski, MemphisHi!
I was just enjoying last week's Dandom Digest. I came here to see if any one wrote about it. The George Wadenius and Justin Morrell interviews were memorable. I also wonder what Wadenius is up to. How old is Morrell? He sounds like he is about 25.
I was really pleased to see more stories here on this Guestbook. I hope this continues.
My second favorite is Billy Joel. I know he's not as deep as Steely Dan but I have liked his music since grade school. He is oh so New Yawk, you know?
My favorite sax solo is also Phil Wood's Dr Wu. I also like the sax on Ruby Baby. Who is that?
I'm hoping we hear more about the new Steely Dan project. I was hoping this one would go faster. I thought their engines might be still warmed up from Two Against Nature. Or maybe they would have partially done songs from Two Against Nature.
I have no way of affording a fancy DVD Audio system. Are there plans for a remastered CD audio version of The Nightfly? I noticed the preview pictures don't have the turquoise printing that is on the original LP version.
I guess that is it.
Posted by: DrMµ, Howard: I was thinking of the one that goes from whistly to scratchy one. Yes, there are at least 2 synth line concurrently - need a listen later...
25 years since My Aim is True and Outlandos d'Amour. Wow
Posted by: Hoops, Been checking out that "ICE Newsletter" item about "Gaucho DTS 5.1 M.D." coming out this past Tuesday. Have no idea. I emailed them. Hope they reply.
Nitey nite!
h
Posted by: Todd, After ten years, thank you Pete Fogel. You are the best.
Posted by: Sean, Been catching up.
First off, Jon, my number two choice is The Doobie Brothers since that is how I got to Steely Dan.
Favorite Sax solo? I'm in the Phil Woods camp with Dr. Wu. They should get Phil to go on tour with them, despite the apparently large Entourage he has. If he's in Cape May, can Cape Cod, or Boston, be far behind?
My guess is a Mini Disc version of Gaucho.
WHAT A KICK-ASS STORY ABOUT BECKER AND FAGEN AT LONE STAR INN! Ohmygod (!) You mean i have to WAIT for the Metheny installment? I can't believe Metheny came for the Steely Dan reunion. AWESOME!
Dylan should cover With A Gun.
Nice post, Howard.
Happy Birthday Big Fan! Kelly, I eagerly await your follow-up post.
GET WELL MARK!
Sean
Posted by: Sean, Forgot. Anyone know who was nominated but didn't get in? I guess this is more punk oriented than the past.
Sean
Posted by: Sean, WollastonIt seems like only yesterday that Steely Dan was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Here's the list of the 2003 inductees--AC/DC, The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, The Police and The Righteous Brothers. The Sidemen and Non-performer inductees will be named later.
http://www.rockhall.com/home/default.asp
Sean
Posted by: edbeatty, Temecula,CaliforniaHey,
It appears we will have to wait till xmas or just a bit before
http://www.jandr.com/JRMusicAlbumPage.process?RestartFlow=t&Merchant_Id=1&A_Id=R+++++7048&Artist_Description=FAGEN%2CDONALD&Title=NIGHTFLY
Hoops ...thanks
Ed
Posted by: Steve Hacker, Dayton, OHHoops...I would have given my left nut to have been at that Lonestar show! At least I got to see the band in '94, '96 and 2000.
Best sax solo on a SD record? Drum roll please......
Pete Christleb on FM...no doubt!
Posted by: hoops,
Libby Titus Presents New York Nights and a Steely Dan Reunion
The series which took the same format as the original NY Soul shows, allowed
various artists to join Donald Fagen and Jimmy Vivino's Little Big Band in playing
some of their own songs in a casual and low-key seating. The shows for the most
part were filled to the house capacity of 500 people.
NY Nights started out with performances by Donald Fagen, Phoebe Snow, Rick Danko
from The Band, Cyndi Lauper and a couple of guys from the Hooters (including
the one with the accordion again). The shows featured a mix of the artists'
hits and also some of the songs they just liked to play. The shows went smoothly
and the audience loved seeing Fagen play the Dan tunes. Phoebe, as usual, knocked
everyone out, Rick (I Feel No Pain) Danko gave his fans what they expected on
stage, and also supplied a tour bus so the performers could disappear quickly
at the end of the night.
While there was another NY Nights scheduled for October 23, there had been a
lot of talk that Walter Becker would show up for the gig. Walter was in town
promoting his Triloka productions as working on Donald's new album. Walter had
played live with Donald at the defunct Upper East Side dive "Hades"
over a year ago (ML 7/90 Issue), but they didn't play any Dan tunes. Anticipation
was building for the possible Steely Dan reunion, even if it was only for a
ten-minute jam.
As the week progressed, we found out that Walter was gonna be at the show, but
he had absolutely no intentions of playing.
As the word about Becker's possible appearance was passed to insiders, the first
show at the Lone Star sold out. As Tuesday night came, a line started forming
at 4:30 p.m. for the 9:00 p.m. show. Anticipation was building early, but these
die-hard fans didn't know that this reunion wasn't going to happen now. And
we weren't going to tell them the bad news. They'd get to see Donald perform
some Dan tunes anyway, so they shouldn't be that disappointed wen the night
was over.
Although we will be reprinting a few reviews from the show later in this issue,
we're gonna lay down the scoop on how the Steely Dan reunion that was never
supposed to happen, spontaneously unfolded before our eyes.
As the band was setting up, Walter's guitar was not there. It now seemed that
Walter wasn't bluffing. He really didn't want to play. Now the question we were
asking was "Would Wally even show?"
Donald opened up with "Green Earrings" and while the audience, many
of them seeing Fagen live for the first time, were getting into the song, others
were doing 360s with their heads, whispering among themselves, "Where's
Walter? Where's Walter?" He was nowhere to be seen.
As the next couple of songs were performed, word had it that Roger Nichols has
been spotted in the club. Did this mean that Walter was here, too? Probably,
but we still didn't see him.
Then as Fagen swung into "Deacon Blues." Becker was spotted in the
balcony area. In fact, at the beginning of the song, a glass fell from the balcony
and almost hit Ula Hedwig, a backup singer, in the head. But this didn't stop
Becker from going downstairs to get a better view of what was going on.
As Walter made his way to the far right wall of the club about ten feet from
the stage, the audience began to whisper, "Walter's here, Walter's here."
But he didn't take the stage. After Phoebe did "I Can't Stand The Rain:
and Rick did 'Stage Fright," Vivino took the microphone. "Is Walter
out there?" Vivino asked. "We'd love you to come up, just to play
the solo, just to play the solo." The crowd erupted like a volcano. Chants
of "Walter! Walter!" rung out through the club. People were jumping,
screaming, frothing at the mouth as they tried to persuade Walter to take to
the stage. Walter's reaction was to shake his head no and then he pulled his
sweater over his head to hide his face.
The crowd continued to beg, plead and implore Walter to join his partner and
finally Walter relented, he started making his way to the stage. The screams
got even louder. People were saying, "Yes! Yes!", "Oh, my God",
and "I can't believe it!" They actually seemed stunned. This would
be the first time Donald and Walter would have done a Steely Dan tune live together
since July 1974. And as the opening chords to "Josie" started, it
would also be the first time ever for them to do this song live, since they
stopped touring long before "Aja" was released.
Fagen had been playing "Josie" since the Woodstock shows and had extended
the song to include a lot of room for solos.
Becker, using one of Jimmy Vivino's spare guitars, treated the audience to the
familiar guitar sound that most had only heard on record. Becker's playing seemed
to flow effortlessly and all eyes, including the band's, were on Walter.
Even though there was a Steely Dan reunion taking place, you never would have
been able to tell from Fagen and Becker. It seemed like just another night for
Donald who didn't even pressure Becker to take the stage. He sang the song,
and during Walter's blistering guitar solos, didn't glance over. There was no
dramatics involved. They both just played it cool and just let the incredible
music experience speak for itself.
After the extended drum solo that Fagen added for the live performance, Walter
and Jimmy traded guitar licks to the end of the song. Time seemed to stand still
as this was happening because you knew the song would be ending soon, but you
wanted it to continue forever.
But the song finally did end and the crowd wanted more. Walter walked over to
Fagen and they both exchanged some words and laughed. As Becker exited the stage
to a thunderous standing ovation, Jimmy promised the crowd that Walter would
be back later.
After another reunion of Cyndi Lauper with the Hooters, Walter did return and
treated the audience with his guitar solos on "Chain Lightning" and
end the show with another "Katy Lied" classic "Black Friday."
And this wasn't the end of it yet, after the monstrous applause settled down,
the band decided to do an encore of "one of the most complex songs we've
ever rehearsed." So they ended this magic night with "Wooly Booly."
As the band made its way off the stage, you had to wonder if this would be the
last time you'd ever see Donald and Walter sharing the stage and performing
some Steely Dan tunes. We can only hope that someday all of you will get a chance
to see these two guys live.
Posted by: incognito, phil woods - we were just talking about phil woods on the yellow pages, at least those of us not posting spam. dr. wu is the top dan sax solo, hands down. will have to catch phil on tour.
Posted by: h, chicagoReceived a reminder from the Jazz Showcase that Phil Woods is coming to Chicago the week after next—and of course he may be hitting your town in the near future as well.
For the week starting Tuesday, November 19, Phil's associate Bill Charlap and his trio will be playing at the Jazz Showcase, Grand and Clark. Phil Woods will be joining them for most all of those dates.
Phil Woods is, of course, the guy responsible for arguably the best Steely Dan sax solo ever (on "Dr. Wu").
Those of us who caught Phil Woods with Sphere at the Chicago Jazzfest last Labor Day weekend were amazed how rich and smooth Woods' sound is in person, just as on "Dr. Wu."
The following dates from http://www.philwoods.com—more URLs there. Hope he will be playing by you—be sure and catch 'im.
• Nov 9—Cape May (NJ) Jazzfest
• Nov 16—Easton (PA) Jazzfest
• Nov 19-24—with Bill Charlap Trio on most sets at Chicago's Jazz Showcase
• Nov 25-27—with Bill Charlap Trio on most sets at St. Paul's The Dakota
h
Posted by: dave fan, YES DAVE - you need to say more - much more!
now
Posted by: Howard, Paige: I think I know which bit you mean on Aja. There's a stream of clicky/percussive sounding notes, though with a distinct pitch, near the end of the outtro sequence. The phrase descends in pitch, and it comes kind of at the peak of the outtro build up, just before the drums settle into a final groove. Haven't got the CD to hand, but if I remember right the effect is doubled up in left and right speakers, and as the notes descend in pitch, they are panned across so left ends up right and right ends up left. Bit like a double aural rainbow?!?
Not sure what was used to get this sound, some kind of synth no doubt.
DrMµ: you're probably thinking of the airy, whistling kind of synth tone that comes in at the end, playing little fragments of melody. I think there might even be two of these as well?
That outtro sequence really is constructed so well, those extra synth touches work beautifully, supporting and adding points of interest without cluttering the sound. Leading up to the "rainbow" effect, there's a two-part synth line (in 3rds I think), slowly moving up that just helps build the tension. Great stuff.
Howard
Posted by: Dr Livingstone, I presume., Barely TownI'd say hats off for Cincinnati. I've been there.
Posted by: DrMµ, TejasPaige: That's Fagen noodling on a synthesizer - kind of a Moog-like effect...
Posted by: Steve Hartman, Cleveland, OhioHoops.
Thank you for the really great Digests especially lately. And hats off to Pete Fogel, the number one man of Steely Dandom. I just want to say keep it up. I am looking forward to more interviews of the old and new kind.
My second favorite is Neil Young. I think Donald and Walter don't like Neil since they make remarks about him now and then. Especially when Neil says he hates CD audio.
Steve
Posted by: Paige, Santa BarbaraOkay....
Can anyone tell me what that sound is at the end of (outro) of Aja (title track)...It is electronic in sound...which almost sounds as if someone is "electronically" running their finger nail on the strings inside a piano.
-Paige
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TnToto covers Bodhisatva on their new album, also It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry.
Back in the Fall of '02.
Matt
Posted by: Little Wild One, Alone in the Political WildernessHey all!
Great threads the last few weeks! Ed, glad you're back home....DC is worse than a jungle even with snipers in cages and a bunch of lame ducks hanging about.
To chime in on a second favorite artist, I guess Springsteen would have to be mine. "Born to Run" was kind of my coming of age theme song and I think I wore that vinyl out along with "Aja" back in the day. Billy Joel is a close third because I like the lyrical content of his stuff.
Funny, I always kind of connected Springsteen and Dylan in a way. Not sure why--maybe it't the vocal phrasing, or lack of it. As for a Dylan cover of SD song, the ones already mentioned would be the most likely, IMHO, but I wonder if that is because we identify fewer of the songs from CBAT with Faganesque-like vocals. How about "Pearl of the Quarter" or "With a Gun."
And, finally, am I better off than 2 years ago? Yeah, but only because I do bankruptcy work and business is booming.
Posted by: hoops, in Chicago where you vote early and often.Happy Birthday, Big Fan! Thanks for the links. I was pleased to see Donald's version of "Ruby Baby" was noted by this writer.
All I can say about Dylan covering Steely Dan is that whatever he'd cover, it'd be totally unpredicable. If pressed to name a song or two, I would see him doing "Josie" or "Jack of Speed," or best of all, something off "11 Tracks of Whack/" Dylan on "Junkie Girl" or "Book of Liars"— most definitely, I could hear him doing those last two. Dylan would do it really differently. But really, Dylan could whip most any well written song (all Steely Dan songs qualify) into something unique and memorable. "Fire In The Hole"? YES! "Barrytown," too.
Michelle:
I have no idea what the "MD" in front of the "Gaucho" DTS 5.1 release is supposed to mean. Didn't even know it was coming until you pointed it out.
I can't believe I didn't mention Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen in my list of second favorites. Cohen's "Ten New Songs" has been my favorite new album of the past year.
h
Posted by: The Greater Dandom, EverywhereBig Fan;
After all the URLs you research and find for all of us, it's only fitting that there be a Steely Dan URL to wish you "Happy Birthday!"
Have a great one!
http://www.beatgreets.com/view.pd?i=122674040&m=4112&source=bg999
Posted by: Big Fan , Still at workHappy Birthday to me!!!!!!
Ruby Baby covered again - now there's a song you don't hear too often unless you play the Nightfly. When will you be mine?
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/103631947834480.xml
I stopped at the grocery store Saturday after hunting - I walk in - they are playing a tune from Kama. Too weird.
Veteran saxophonist David Sanborn at Miami's refurbished Gusman. - Known for session work with SD:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4404929.htm
I had another link from the Ft Worth Texas paper, but our companies web software says it's banned because "General_News, Mature, Politics/Religion." Ouch.
Does anyone race BMX out there - my sanctioning body just got sold - you know like CART and Indy cars. I hope I don't loose my single digit plate number.
Hoops - thanks!!!!!
Posted by: How far he's come, Heye didn't Dylan already do TIme Out of Mind??
I also think he would do a great job on Brooklyn
Posted by: Dave, Very cool about Dylan covering those Zevon songs in concert.
Posted by: Michelle, JoiseyHi!
Fall is the big new release season so people can buy lots of Xmas presents.
Lots of new releases today and in the future including
TODAY
Boston's "Coporate America" -I thought this band was gone
New Johnny Cash
New Eric Clapton
New Wallflowers-Jakob Dylan has a tough act to follow)
New Toto I think this what Steely Dan would sound like without Becker and Fagen. Amazing playing with dumb lyrics.
Also for you Hoops, Hans and Candy Dulfer have a Father-Daughter album coming later this month.
U2 Hits #2 today too. Not especially a fan, but I sure know all these. I don't even listen to radio and I know them.
HERE'S WHERE I AM CURIOUS!!!!!!
Icenewsletter.com has an entry of
5.1 M.D. Steely Dan Gaucho (5.1 Surround) (DTS)
How is this different from the previous DTS Gaucho. Does M.D. mean Mini Disc?
The new Peter Gabriel is coming out on SACD later this month. Didn't see Nightfly on the list.
This Dylan tributing Steely Dan thread is very possible. I know Dylan would do it entirely different from the way the Dan would. I doubt he would do Time Out of Mind. Major Dude or Dr Wu would be two covers by Dylan could see. Or maybe Monkey In Your Soul. Everyone's Gone to the Movies would be bizarre, if you ask me.
Gotta finish lunch!
Mich
Posted by: Don't you know..., there's fire in the holeBob Dylan? How about "Fire In The Hole"?? That would fit him well.
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, CaliforniaDylan's Dan covers? Right away "Barrytown" comes to mind. The way DF sings it, seems Dylan's vocal style would fit right in -- though the arrangement would have to be a bit darker to match the Dylan persona.
Posted by: Peg, Still wondering if Pluto is a planet or notOkay, what if Dylan does "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Speed,"
and is followed onstage by Don & Walt, who sing "Daddy Don't Work on Maggie's Farm No More." Sortof a cover of each.
Posted by: Dave, Hoops, excellent observation about Dylan covering Steely Dan.
Only A Fool Would Say That. I could see Dylan doing that. Slower arrangement though. Or maybe Any Major Dude Will Tell You.
Second favorite?? PAT METHENY. Need I say more?
Didn't Fagen want to join Dylan's band? I think it was right after Gaucho.
Posted by: hoops, sucky mondayI caught the Bob Dylan concert in Chicago Friday night. It was held at All-State Arena, the same venue Steely Dan played on the 2000 tour. I was in the stands to the south of the stage. My guest for the evening had never been to a Dylan show and was only casually familiar with his songs. So in advance, she bought his greatest hits CDs. Of course, Dylan completely mixes everything up at every show, rendering every song a new melodic experience, even of the lyrics are relatively true to his original versions. Needless to say, she was a bit confused by all this, I know I was thr first time I attended a Dylan show. Gotta wonder what Dan fans would think if Walter and Donald did that every show.
Dylan still has that amazing band of Garnier, Sexton, Campbell, and Kemper—the same band he's had for the last few times I have seen him. But the interesting twist was that Dylan played a Casio-type keyboard for a good chunk of the show. It was pretty cool, actually, and he was quite good playing it. One stand-out with Dylan on keyboard was "It's All Right Ma, I'm Only Bleeding." All I can wonder is if he will call up Donald Fagen next and ask if he can borrow one of his melodicas.
The show also included, "Things Have Changed" and three tracks from his last studio album, "Love and Theft," including "Bye and Bye," ""High-water" and "Summer Days." It's a great album—get it! "Lay Lady Lay" and "Masters of War" were two other classics which he gave unique spins. Dylan made a crack about some critic who complained about him "mumbling" instead of singing, saying we should "knock him out" if we see him.
But the suprise of the evening was his choice of covers. Given the talk about Warren Zevon and his appearance on Letterman last Wednesday, I was floored when Dylan played TWO *Warren Zevon* songs: "Accidentally Like a Martyr" and "Mutineer." He also covered Neil Young's "Old Man" and then went into the Rolling Stone's "Brown Sugar." It was unusual, even by Dylan standards. This made me wonder, what Steely Dan song could you see Bob Dylan covering in concert and how would Dylan mix it up?
Anyhow, it was a great show. Be sure to catch Bob when his "tour that never ends" come to your area.
h
Posted by: Earl, DelawareGetting back to the chatroom discussion, I am admittedly on the fence. The main reason (no offense meant to anyone who frequents the SIS chatroom) that I don't go to the SIS chatroom is that the chat there is very sophomoric. And to try to rationalize how that comment is not an insult is that every chat situation I've witnessed degrades to that level of conversation when the same people are engaged in the chat every day. It becomes dry and lacks a lot of substance.
I think it would be a great thing to have a room where an arranged time could be set aside where all of the board regulars get together to chitchat. Once a week? Once a month? I guess I've found that the people who chat every night tend to be the ones who are mainly interested in something other than the topic the room was founded on.
If there were going to be an organized Steely Dan chat on a semi-regular basis, I'd participate, especially if others (such as Hoops and company) were up for it.
And Howard, I finished reading that songbook. One of the only concerns I have about the book is that David Pearl kinda repackaged other books, added some good commentary, and published this book. There wasn't a whole lot of new thoughts on the music, just mainly some expansion of ideas depicted in other books. I was at the music store the other day and saw a similar book for solo guitar. I was looking through it, and it was basically all of the solo guitar parts from the SD songs they notated in "The Best Of Steely Dan" with added commentary. Rather disappointing in my mind.
The best thing about "The Art of Steely Dan" is Pearl giving his impression on what he felt Fagen and Beckear intended with the addition of different tempos, parts, sections, etc to the songs. He does a pretty good job of explaining the type of image an interlude evokes with respects to the context of the song it's augmenting.
Also got my hands on the relatively tough-to-come-by songbook for "Kamakiriad." Got it for only $20 at my local music shop. I'll have to keep my eye out for "The Nightfly" songbook next.
Earl
Posted by: rc, in the cold NorthHi Hoops,
I've been a reader of your wonderful Dandom Digest for (I think) 8 years now. First off, thanks for that - it's great to have a resource keeping you up to date on the important things!
Just thought I'd add to your comments/fears about the JVC XVSA75 not being able to read burnded DVD-Rs.
Worry no longer. I've owned this unit for over a year now and I've been burning DVD-Rs on my G4 the entire time. Every one has worked seemlessly in the JVC XVSA75.
VideoCD's, MP3 CDs, everything I've thrown at it, it's handled (haven't tried DVD-RW yet, though). Actually, this week, I'm trying fake it out (the JVC XVSA75) by creating a Dolby Digital (5 channel) track and burning it to a CD. I'm hoping to be able to test my 5.1 mixes without burning a DVD each time.
Gotta love the technology!
Once again, thanks Hoops for all your work. I know I sure appreciated it!
Rob
Posted by: Howard, more songbook discussionEarl (et al): the "Art of Steely Dan" is an interesting songbook. As Earl already mentioned, it's a mix of transcriptions (usually song fragments), and commentary/analysis. It has sections on song structure, melody, harmony, drum grooves etc and the examples come from a mix of instruments: one or more of keyboard, guitar, bass, vocals, horns, drums. It has examples from many songs, from all albums, illustrating the points being discussed. Definitely will be more of interest to people into harmony/theory, rather than people who just want transcriptions of the songs. It also has a nice section discussing the lyrics and themes of the songs.
The transcriptions themselves are pretty good, though not perfect. Chords to Jack of Speed, Black Friday, Negative Girl have a few errors, and the bass line to Josie isn't quite right. Overall, accuracy is good - on a par with the better SD songbooks that have come out in recent years. I hope to add a review of it soon to my SD songbook review page (http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/songbooks.html).
Howard
Posted by: DrMµ, far away from Floridahmmmmmm...Baker, Bernhardt & Becker - a new law firm???
Posted by: DrMµ, far away from Flroidahmmmmmm...Baker, Bernhardt & Becker - a new law firm???
Posted by: hoops, Really in ChicagoNo, Cap'n, I'm not "Inqiring" nor "Intruding Mind."
To say the least, I think we're all eager for new news on The Next One, but no one should feel pressured into revealing any confidences either.
Glad you had a chance to connect, K.D.! Good on yer!
Been doing some "chatting" and have some ideas. Will post later this week.
Nite Nite.
h
Posted by: Capt. Midnight, One more thing. Becker and Fagen could get a laff out of seeing what Baker and Berhardt THINK is happening with the new project, dontcha think???? So likely, what you would be revealing could be entertaining to Our Boyz! Let them revel in laughter!!! And then they would thank you.
Can't blame me for trying.
Posted by: Capt. Midnight, I mean it Kelly. You're not being funny by withholding. Pretty please? :-) :-) :-)
Posted by: Capt. Midnight, Inquiring Mind = The Hoopster?????
Kelly. About the new project. You teased us. Now you must tell or I will never sleep for a very long time. You will be responsible for my death behind the wheel caused by sleep deprivation and drinking Scotch Whiskey all night long. Can the news be that much of a killer? It won't turn me off from buying the new project. Do you think Entertainment Tonight reads what goes on here? I don't think so.
Speaking of projects, Hoops, you didn't mention that late producer and sound engineer Tom Dowd was also a key physicist in the Manhattan Project. And I'm not talking about the Manhattan Transfer or any other band. Yes, THAT Manhattan Project. Roger Nichols is also a physicist. Not on the Manhattan Project.
StAl doesn't pay for his chat room. Doesn't even run it from his server. Looks like cake to maintain, little effort required, except ignoring the advertisement. Hell, maybe I should volunteer to do it. Real-time discussion of the gems I've been reading here would be worthwhile. I'm not going to diss what goes on on the yellow. It fills a need. So do hookers, not necessarily that there's similarity. But everyone has their preference. This place has it's own vibe that is more conducive to Steely Study. I vote for a chat with this place. All the other good sites have a chat room. I'll make it if you guys want. Or if Hooper is so keen on being luvvy-duvvy with Patster, maybe he could lease StAl's chat from 1-4 am. It could be like Lester the Nightfly or that Spanish speaking station that takes over my favorite rerun station during the overnight hours.
So Kelly, how did you meet Baker and Bernhardt? I'm waiting. Come take my first born. Might as well. He's been a pain the ass today. Do tell!
Posted by: Inquiring Mind, HellSooo... da Bears, they be losing again and, you know, we'll all sleep long enough once we dead.
Spill it, kid!
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, ChiI met and talked to Ted Baker and Warren Bernhardt tonight.
I know stuff about 'the Next Project,' I just came home and it's 7am, so I don't know how much I should talk about.
Someone wrote:
"Chat rooms are pretty much standard fare on many fan sites these days. Just make one without all this discussion. If it gets used, fine. If not, so what?"
Uh, the 'chat room' would cost a solid chunk of money to the host, who is Hoops/Jim in this instance, to say nothing of the nuisance it is to keep chat freaks happy with maintenence and whatnot.
They do have 'phones' nowadays, good ways for people to keep in touch with each other in 'real time.'
Anyway, I'm full of gossip and news and I need to stop right now. Stop typing. Drink water and go to bed and try to see the Bears game tomorrow.
Posted by: John, Erie, PANot sure what all this fuss about doing a chat room is about. Chat rooms are pretty much standard fare on many fan sites these days. Just make one without all this discussion. If it gets used, fine. If not, so what?
When I first saw the title, "The Art of Steely Dan," I thought it was a coffee table book featuring marital appliances through the ages as art. I guess I have a dirty mind.
John
Posted by: Jackie, State of the Clueless VotersHaven't had internet at work for 2 weeks so I am finally catching up on these posts.
Re: "Art of SD" Thanks Earl, for mentioning that book. It does seem interesting. I checked it out at amazon.com and it seems Cherry Lane has a whole series of "the art of..." but I couldn't find out what other artists they have included.
Will I get ostricized if I say SD is my number two artist/group? A very close 2nd, may I add to my number one: Joe Jackson(who himself is a big SD fan). JJ's wandered off the path now and then but always keeps it interesting.
I know someone at the Warner Bros. labels. He doesn't know anything about "The Next Project" but will keep me posted.
I recently finished Sweet's "Reelin' in the Years". I enjoyed all the info but agree with some of the others who said it was not well written. I'm not sure why. Something about it is awkward and some sentences were redundant. Perhaps I am comparing it to Joe Jackson's autobiography, "A Cure For Gravity". He is an excellent writer (and, like Sweet, he's British). It would be great if he would write a SD bio!
Jackie
Posted by: ed beatty, Home at LastHey,
The best session ever in the SIS chatroom was the night of 4 Grammy's
Those of you who I spoke to on the phone that night and then we
rejoined to the chat room for more concelebratory hoopla!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well..
Ed (looking forward to November 12th) Beatty
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, CaliforniaNumber two choice -- a great question!
Only one group/artist to me has the long-term quality, overall array of nearly-flawless work, creative spirit and staying power of Steely Dan: The Beatles.
We've touched on many other artists who fit the definition "great" -- Stevie Wonder, the Who, EWF, Tower of Power, Joni Mitchell among them -- and others who've had their moments of excellence.
But only SD and the Fab Four have a body of work you could just load into a CD changer and play end-to-end have not get tired of it, or have to endure the sub-par stuff.
Posted by: Undecided, The CusterdomePivitol Pete-I read Hoops as not wanting to make another chat room. He's right, StAl does work hard on his. I too can't imagine how any one could dictate what can and can't be said in a live chat room. But I gave up on Banyan Trees chat a long time ago. People there are often witlessly rude for no good reason. I don't know about banning Clas, but that Molly character talks a like a two-bit whore one minute and then in the next minute is offended if you play along. Torture is the main attraction there. Heard of art imitating life? This is chat immitating Steely Dan characters. Hoops, you should take it as a high complement of the major kind that Dan Fans come to you asking for help with things like this.
Good deal on the interviews of late. Hope it keeps up. It says a lot that those chatter boxes aren't jumping at this new Steely info. Since you won't interview anyone on the new one does this mean Justin Morell isn't on it? The Sonic Frenzy site mentioned at the end is dead. What's George Waddenious up to these days? What commercials does he play on? How could he not know the names of all the songs on Kama?
Jon-I love Dylan but especially love Tom Waits as my second behind Steely Dan. He tells great stories, wry.
I like the Stevie Wonder topic. Wasn't it Stevie who called Steely Dan about problems with the remastered CDs? I think it was the Nightfly.
Good to see you Peg!
Toodle-EWWW!
Undecided
Posted by: The Man!, I'm in!Hoops! Love the idea for a 'Blue Book' chat room. Is their any way to ban Molly and Clas from chatting? If so, I'm in!
The Man!
Posted by: Peg, Ah, homeDitto Pete's comments about this forum versus chats. Personally I like peace and quiet in all its forms, and this form beats out chats majorly in that area. And yeah, ditto on thanks, Hoopsie.
Well that was one fine interview you did just there for us, Hoopsie, and you should be commended. I have met journalism students who never would have done as well asking questions. LIked the old Metal Leg article also...
Second choice for me? Don't really have one, because I like a ton of different stuff. I have to say that my all-out desert island album is not a SD record (gasp!) but Stevie Wonder's Songs in the Key of Life. But I listen to a real variety...Talking Heads, and Charlie Parker and any other old bebop, Earth Wind & Fire, Elvis Costello, various movie soundtracks, Santana, Little Feat...even the Black Crows.
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, CaliforniaHoops-
Impressed by your willingness to entertain the "chatroom" idea. (Seems to me you've got enough on your plate without taking that on.)
Personally, the pace of the Bluebook is perfect and much preferred to a chat room, where the "real time" conversation tends to be scattered and less coherent. Sometimes I can only check in once every couple of weeks, and it's still fun (and possible) to catch up on the Bluebook goings on. The quality of the posts, I think, is more thoughtful and focused in this forum -- even while various threads can move along simultaneously.
There's even room for Tristan's entertaining and erudite diabribes--if you want to read it. A post like that would probably crash a chat room.
I'm not a veteran of any other Dan chat, so I only have this experience to draw on for Dan content. But I think this format is great
And thanks for all the work you do to make it possible.
-Pete
Posted by: hoops,
Please note: We've all already read about the possibility of players like Keith
Carlock and Jon Herington appearing on the next Steely Dan album. So it is understandable
that you might think these players should be approached for their thoughts and
perhaps even teasers about The Next One. Well, that won't be happening. My gut
tells me that interviews with those personages should be deferred for the Webdrone
staff at steelydan.com to handle in the ways they know best so as to advance
the cause of Steely Dan's Next and Greatest.
Justin Morell on Steely Dan
Well, I've always been a Steely Dan fan. I can actually remember driving around
with my dad when I was about 5 or 6 years old, listening to Aja and The
Royal Scam in the car (he's a fan as well). That music made a big impression
on me at that age, and as I've come to understand more and more about music
in general, I've found myself coming back to those records and enjoying them,
learning from them, on so many levels.
Of course, the first time I heard those records, I had no idea what they were
talking about, lyrically speaking. I just liked the sound. And I know I'm still
trying to figure out what they're talking about in some of those songs, though
I don't know that it really matters in the endthe words sound so good
that I think the songs work whether one understands them or not! In short, I
think that it's music that's as close to my heart as any music can be.
But I think there are other reasons why making this record seemed like a good
project for me. I think that there's a whole lot of really excellent "popular"
music out there, stuff recorded by people like James Taylor, Joni Mitchell,
Stevie Wonder, Tom Waits; but what stands out about Steely Dan for me is the
fact that their songs work as great vehicles for instrumental improvisation.
The melodies are beautiful, harmonies are always unique and move in unexpected
but good sounding ways, the forms are a little unorthodox, and they really gave
us new territory to improvise with. And I think that it's nice to record music
that hasn't been recorded by thousands of others. As jazz players, we need to
expand the standard repertoire! For me, these Steely Dan songs are like standards.
I'm a lot closer to them than I am to older standards like "All the Things
You Are" or "Stella By Starlight."
And I think part of that closeness comes from the environment that I grew up
in. My dad is a jazz guitarist, and worked for many years as a studio musician
in LA, so I grew up around both jazz and studio musicians.
In fact, I had the privilege of getting to know many great players like John
Guerin and Tom Peterson when I was very young, and had a chance to meet some
of the guys that worked on Steely Dan records; people like Larry Carlton, Jeff
Porcaro, Abe Laboriel [I think he was on Donald's The Nightfly only].
To me, Steely Dan was really about the convergence of the jazz and studio music
worlds, and their music captured that energy so accurately. That whole attitude,
that atmosphere, feels very much like "home" to me.
The first time I became aware of you and your quintet was very memorable.
I was driving down the street and turned on the radio. Without knowing it was
you, I was really lulled into your playing-and then I was struck at the hypnotic
allusion to Steely Dan's "Kings" that also evoked certain qualities
of late 50s Miles Davis. I had to pull over to listen. That hasn't happened
to me in almost a decade. It turned out to be "End Of The Line" from
your quintet's new album, >the music of steely_dan. How did "End
Of The Line" come about?
When I was compiling a list of songs to record for the album, I thought it might
be nice to have something of my own on there, something that would comment on
my experience with Steely Dan compositionally, not just with the guitar, and
something that might add some variety to the overall sound and flow of the CD.
All of my other CDs have been original compositions, so it felt natural that
I should write at least something for this one, if it fit musically. I really
was listening to all of those early records a lot, looking for ideas to work
from. And the end of "Kings" always struck me as this little, beautiful,
kind of sentimental idea that I wished would just go on forever. In fact, I
played it in the car a couple hundred times, just "rewinding" the
CD to the last 30 seconds or so of that track to get that feeling over and over.
Eventually I started to play with it rhythmically in my mind, and it took shape
as a 5 bar phrase (3+3+3+3+2.) The rest of the song just fell into place from
that point.
Have you written and/or recorded any other Steely-inspired songs like "End
of The Line" which you have not released or finished yet?
I haven't written any others so far, and frankly I wasn't sure how it would
be received! I think sometimes people can have adverse reactions to that kind
of thing, and I hoped that it would be taken as a tribute, as my personal "response"
or reaction to how "Kings" made me feel. But I certainly think there
are plenty of other ideas that could be developed from other songs.
Were there other Steely Dan-related recordings that didn't make your album,
>the music of steely_dan?
There really aren't any that I would want to release. When we were recording,
we worked on "The Fez" a bit, and I thought about doing "Boston
Rag" and "Gaucho," but in the end we didn't really have the time
to do it. I also wasn't terribly happy with the arrangements I had come up with
for those, and it would have required a bit of reworking. We recorded the record
in two days, and with only about 5 hours of rehearsal the night before, so we
were certainly pressed for time. I will say, though, that I used to play "The
Fez" all the time with a trio I had some years ago (with David Parmeter
and Shaun Guerin [John's son!]) and was disappointed that we didn't have more
time to work on that one.
What are your first recollections of hearing Steely Dan? What songs?
What were the circumstances?
I guess I answered this question earlier, but specifically I remember "Black
Cow," "Peg," and "Deacon Blues" from Aja, and
"Kid Charlemagne" and "Caves of Altamira" from The Royal
Scam. Most of the other records I didn't discover until much later; but
I sure wore that Aja record out early on.
Have you ever worked with
Becker and/or Fagen?
I have never worked with either of them, and haven't
had any direct contact with them during the making/releasing/licensing of this
CD. I did meet Walter Becker once in John Carruthers' guitar store in Venice,
CA, when I was about 18, though I'm absolutely sure he doesn't remember me!
But the opportunity to work with them would be the realization of one of my
career dreams. It doesn't get any better than that.
How has Steely Dan influenced your playing?
Well, since I grew up listening to so much of their music, I know that their
sound creeps into my playing and my writing whether I think about it or not.
But in terms of specifics, I think the playing elements I've focused on from
their records have more to do with the drums than anything else. I've studied
Jeff's playing so much on records like Katy Lied, and of course Gadd
on Aja and "Third World Man." Their attention to and understanding
of time feel is really intense, and I try to think about that every time I play
the guitar, or play any instrument. I've checked out lots of Larry Carlton's
work on those records, too, and also on The Nightfly, and if I could
ever even approach his mastery of sound and dynamics on the guitar....
What is your favorite track off of Two Against Nature and why?
I think my favorite would be "Gaslighting Abbie," but I also like
"Janie Runaway" and "Jack of Speed." I'm not quite sure
why those are my favorites; those are just the ones that I seem to want to hear
the most. I have to say, though, that I'm more familiar with the recordings
on the live DVD than on the record itself, and like the live feel a bit more
than the CD versions.
Why does Steely Dan matter to you and why do you think they will continue
to matter?
Well, I think their music is just so unique, and I'm sure they will continue
to be an important group because they are always venturing into new territory.
That's a very important quality in a musical group, and the fact that they are
continually evolving is what keeps me wanting more. I also think their music
has affected so much of popular and jazz music over the past 30 years that we
just can't escape it's influence. And I seem to learn something new every time
I listen to their recordings, even after I've heard them hundreds of times;
I must have listened to Aja at least 1000 times by now, and I still love it.
How many records can we say that about!
Who else besides Steely Dan is a major influence on your music?
I'll list some of the people that come to mind as my influences, though I'm
sure to leave some out: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Joe Zawinal, Russ Ferrante,
John Abercrombie, Jim Hall, Sonny Rollins, Joni Mitchell, John Scofield, James
Taylor, Rickie Lee Jones, Paul Simon, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Jeff Porcaro,
Tony Williams, John Guerin, the Beatles, Peter Erskine, Don Grolnick, Chick
Corea, the list goes on... Some of my biggest influences have been musicians
whose names are not very widely known, players that I grew up around, that worked
with my dad in jazz groups and in the studios in LA, and players that I grew
up playing with. People like Alan Estes, Joel DiBartolo, Greg Mathieson, to
name a few. And I think my biggest overall musical influence is my dad.
Which Steely Dan concerts have you attended and what were your favorite aspects
of these shows?
I've only been to one live concert, following the Two Against Nature CD release,
at Blockbuster Pavilion. We sat so, so far back, on the lawn, and Walter and
Donald were barely visible! The band sounded great, of course, though I think
I really prefer to hear most of the older songs on the record. The recordings
are so perfect, and capture a sound and feeling that is really impossible to
recreate, no matter how good the players are. But I would definitely go to hear
them again if I had the opportunity.
Listening to your new CD, I am struck by your playing's powerful sense of
understatement. I find it quietly filled with energy. Is understatement something
you consciously seek to achieve in your playing?
Thank you! I don't know if I consciously try to focus on understatement while
I'm playing, though I try not to overplay and fill up too much space. I just
think that the music that I like, and whose spirit I've tried to emulate, tends
to focus on "less-is-more," and not too much technical flashiness.
I like the beauty of simplicity. Whether or not I've been successful at emulating
that in my own music, I don't know, and it seems that when I listen back to
my own playing/composing I'm usually thinking to myself, "I could have
left a little more space in there."
Your father is noted jazz guitarist, John Morell. How has he influenced you?
How do you define your own style separately from your father's? To what degree,
if any, do you see yourself assimilating his musical achievements and then putting
your own spin on them?
I think my father's influence on me has been incredibly strong, and I've always
loved to listen to his music, both his playing and composing, and tried to emulate
it. His music has the brilliance of being both simple and terribly complicated
at the same time, and totally unique. My playing sounds more like his than any
other player, and I think it's only been in recent years that I've been able
to separate my sound from his naturally. I've definitely spent lots of time
studying the music of guitarists like Scofield and Abercrombie, and I think
their influence has separated my own sound from my dad's. But my idea of what
a guitar should "sound like" at it's core comes directly from my dad,
much the same way that, say, Wayne Shorter's sound on the tenor might have come
from Coltrane's to a large extent. And I think that my dad has always been interested
in pushing the boundaries of what "jazz" music is, in terms of style,
harmony, and form, and from him I definitely inherited the desire to keep the
music progressing forward.
Your credits show you to be a versatile musician who can play a variety of
kinds of music, yet personally, you have chosen to play jazz. Why do you prefer
jazz over, say, rock, pop, etc.?
I really like to play all styles of music, or at least most of them. I've studied
some classical music, played in rock bands (both as a guitarist and a drummer,)
played some Klezmer music. I just think that the "jazz" music was
the most familiar to me, closest to my heart, and at the same time the most
challenging. That's not to say that classical guitar wasn't as challenging,
it's just that I didn't have the desire to delve into it as much as I would
have had to be decent at it. But the jazz playing/writing just really pulled
me in from a very early age. I'd love to be a great songwriter, but I can't
sing, and am not too good with words! If I ever get an opportunity to play with
a really good rock/pop band, I'll do it in a second.
Have you heard the Me, Myself and Irene soundtrack featuring today's
"modern rock" artists covering Steely Dan classics? What did you think
of it?
I haven't heard it, or at least not seriously. I think I may have heard
a little bit of it on the radio at some point, but I don't remember it very
well. It's great that they did it, though, and that a lot of people that wouldn't
have otherwise been exposed to the music were exposed to it in some form. I
remember my first hearing of Beatles songs was in the movie Sergeant Pepper's
Lonely Hearts Club Band (with George Burns, Peter Frampton, the Bee Gees,
et.al.) and it got me listening to the original recordings. Imagine my surprise
when I found out how great the original versions were!
There are some superb Steely Dan cover bands who can play many Becker/Fagen
songs note-for-note like the original Steely Dan recordings. On your new album,
you obviously take a different approach, offering new interpretations and arrangements
of Steely Dan classics. Have you ever experienced or even played in a Steely
Dan cover band? What do you think of such cover bands?
I've heard one of the cover bands recently, though I can't remember which one.
It was one of the west coast bands, maybe the Steely Fan Band?
Anyhow, I think it's a very interesting idea in theory (covering the songs exactly
like the record,) but let's face it: They spent how many hundreds of hours getting
those recordings just right with the greatest players in the world, and bands
are trying to recreate that live? I think it's a tall order. When we set out
to make this CD, we wanted to make a record that sounded like ourselves playing
some great songs. And I think I'd rather hear a cover band that approximated,
or even personalized, the Steely Dan songs, with improvised solos, etc., than
hear an attempt at playing the record exactly. Those are some of the best records
ever made, and we can hear those versions as much as we want at home. I think
it must be somewhat flattering to have your music reproduced so faithfully,
but maybe it's more flattering to have it transformed, and to let it grow into
new forms, like living works of art.
Tell us about "The Murmaids." How did you start working with them?
The Murmaids are a pop group that had one big hit in 1963 ("Popsicles and
Icicles"). My aunt (Terry Fischer Siegel) and my mom (Carol Fischer Morell)
were two of the three members of the group, and they've recently reunited and
released a CD. I basically helped them produce and record the record, and did
some playing on it as well.
What was it like working with Russell Ferrante (Yellowjackets) and Peter
Erskine?
Well, Russell and Peter have been two of the biggest influences on my music,
so it was somewhat intimidating at first. When we recorded the CD (Quartet)
it was really the first time I had ever played with them. It was a learning
experience, especially working with Russell. He can say so much melodically,
with so few notes. I think overall the sessions were difficult for me personally
because I had been playing the material we recorded with a trio for a while,
and it was a little hard to adjust to the quartet and the different interpretation
(we didn't do any rehearsals for that project). I've grown a lot as a musician
and guitarist since then; I wouldn't mind another crack at some of those takes!
But Russell and Peter (and Jimmy Johnson) are just so great at what they do,
I just don't think they're capable of not sounding fantastic.
You Play Gibson ES335, Carruthers custom long neck, Rivera amps, D'Addario
strings. Is there any particular reason why you prefer these?
I've played lots of different guitars over the years, and the 335 is just the
one that feels the most natural to me. I have other instruments for recording
and variety (acoustics, nylon strings, dobro, bass guitar, Tele, Strat, etc.)
but I can't seem to get comfortable playing my own music on those instruments.
The 335 just has a kind of balance to it that allows me to not have to struggle
with what I'm hearing in my head versus what's coming out of the amp. The Carruthers
is a very unique instrument that sounds beautiful and works great in the studio
for me, but is a little harder for me to use live. It really requires a lot
of energy to play! The amp I use most often is a Rivera modified Fender Vibrolux
Reverb from the 70's, and I just love it. It's very similar to the sound of
the other Rivera amps (I have one of the rack mount ones too, but it weighs
a ton.) And I've been using the D'Addario strings for a long time. They just
seem to be the most consistent, and I've been surprised to notice how much better
they are than so many other brands. I also like the fact that they come in sealed
plastic bags, so they stay fresh and don't waste too much paper.
>the music of steely_dan is your fourth album. How have you changed
as a musician, writer and artist since the first album?
I've definitely gotten better overall as a guitarist and as a composer, and
I think I'm a bit more able to express my musical ideas clearly now. I think
it's a slow process, evolving that is, and there are so many things about my
work that I'd like to improve. It seems the more one improves, the more one
realizes how much further there is to go. I think of myself more as an evolutionist,
as opposed to a revolutionist, so my overall musical goals haven't changed too
much since my first recording.
What are you plans for your next album?
I just recorded a live CD at a club in Los Angeles called "Rocco."
The CD features drummer Mark Ferber, pianist Joe Bagg, and bassist Todd Sickafoose,
and has mostly original material on it. I don't really know when it will be
released at this point, maybe sometime next year. In the mean time, I'm working
on a new studio project with Todd and pianist Leonard Thompson, and I hope to
get that recorded before the end of the year.
What other projects are you currently working on?
I played on Todd Sickafoose's second CD, and that one should be out fairly soon.
I think it should turn out to be a really nice project. I'll also be releasing
the John Daversa Big Band CD on my Internet label sometime later in the year.
Between that and the freelance playing, writing, teaching, working on a masters
degree, I think I'll be pretty busy for a while.
Where do you see your career taking you in ten years? What are your aspirations
as a musician?
What I'd like to be doing for a while is just playing the guitar with as many
good musicians as possible, and maybe do some touring. If I can continue to
make my own CDs, say one every year or two, I'll consider it fairly productive.
I'd like to get into teaching at the college/university level (hence my working
on the MA) if I can, since the music business is never too steady. If I can
keep playing, make a decent living, and contribute my little part to the music
world, I think I'll be happy. Of course there are some musical "dream"
jobs that would be wonderful (like working with Steely Dan, James Taylor, Herbie
Hancock) but I can't count on those happening anytime soon!
What is your "desert island" disc: By any artist? By Steely Dan?
I think if I had to choose one... I'd go crazy, but maybe Miles Davis' My
Funny Valentine (or maybe any number of his CDs) or Joni Mitchell's Court
and Spark, some of my dad's stuff, I don't really know, there are so many
possibilities. Aja would be on that list too, and if I had to pick one
Steely Dan record, that would probably be it. Can't forget The Nightfly
either!
Posted by: jon, Great follow-up, Hoops, and just to keep it rolling I'll weigh in with Pat Metheny Group as my second all-time fave rave, with the Dead coming in very close in the show position. Ryan Adams is threatening to overtake all lately, as I think the guy is simply superb.
Posted by: hoops, Hey hey mike.
Sorry that wasn't clear. Yes, I was aware that Zevon is dieing. I think I posted about it a few weeks ago, in fact. Thank you very much for the clarifcation request.
Followup to Jon's post:
Jon clarified that he didn't send his thread idea he meant the SIS Guestbook entry #2758, not the Digest. Thanks again.
More Chat Spaces?
Regarding the idea of another chat space for Steely Dan fans, I'm always open to new ideas, especially ones that break new ground. It's appealing to think that any forum might be tweaked or implemented in such a way that we get more of the "good stuff"—in this case that would be even more interesting and provocative Steely Dan talk and info.
The BlueBook came about because some Danfans wanted discussion more narrowly focused on Steely Dan rather than the Merry Pranksters "anything goes" feel of the SIS GB. While there are many Danfans from the SIS GB who are dear to me, it also got—and off and on still gets—a little too raw and self-indulgent or disregarding of Steely posts for my preferences. Speaking of preferences, I also like to post to the alt group at times or Yahoo, as well. But to be fair, I think there is this sense of community that is quite evident at the SIS GB. Different strokes for different folks, you know? And I do view and post to all the forums. You get a fuller picture that way.
I read this one quote about Internet chat rooms. It went something like..."but in the end chat is just chat—idle chatter."
Yet, chat is a great way to socialize and become familiar with the other Steely Dan fans. You learn a lot about other fans' perspectives when they chat about things that aren't Steely Dan. ("Hey, I just found out so-and-so is a member of this political party. No wonder they hate that Steely Dan song." )
I am not certain what I or anyone else could do much differently than what other Steely Dan chat rooms already do to increase Steely Dan discussion. Pat Beemer's is the one I am most familiar with and he's worked on it quite a bit, investigating, implementing and changing the chat software and hosting as fan needs and finances dictate. Users hopefully realize chat config technicalities aren't as fun as it looks from the outside.
I'd like to know how people think such an alternate chat room could be different. Perhaps Pat would be able to incorporate those ideas. In general, chat is a free for all, anything goes kind of format and Pat is great technically and emotionally at handling that.
Here's a question for you: With another different kind of chat room, would people expect me or whoever ran it to be at all chats, wildly flailing my emoticons in disapproval when chat got off the topic of music and Steely Dan? I have been disappointed myself when I have wanted to chat about a specific SD topic in various Steely Fan rooms, only to find others preoccupied with their lack of a sex life or their supper. I dunno—whaddaya do? I'm asking…
My hunch is that at the root of this, some people are tired of the various cliques and personality conflicts that are bound to develop when you have a band like Steely Dan, a band that is appreciated from several diverse perspectives and attacts a diverse crowd of fans. How does everyone address that?
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Posted by: hoops, chicago, where else?jon:
I went back through each Dandom Digest since June 1 and could not find where you brought up this thread. Usually, this kind of topic generates a stampede of discussion. Good topic. I will re-rerun this in today's Digest.
As far as for my second favorites: Van Morrison is close second, but unlike Steely Dan, I don't like every single thing he's ever recorded. But Van has this electic mix of jazz, gospel, soul, funk, etc, that is like poetry, religion and rebellion all at once. Watch out though. This guy is damn moody. Used to run somelike the "Vandom Digest" a long time ago. Van bitched about the Internet and that pretty much folded it for me. Also can't do without Bob Dylan (whom I'm seeing tonight) and Paul Simon. As a teenager I grew up listening to Elton John and off and on I run something roughly like the Dandom Digest on the MUSIC of John & Taupin. But Elton's stuff is far from perfect and I have a rep as being the "ultimate curmudgeon fan." So much so that I get consulted before they release his remasters (no, I don't think you should be impressed). Funny story. I was asked to be at an EJ fan event that also featured some of Elton's touring associates from around the same time SD toured circa 1973 or 1974. I brought up Steely Dan and, boy, did that seem to make uncomfortable. Maybe they have memories of Becker and Fagen's delightfully sharp wit.
Also, for a chunk of the 80s and 90s I followed around the Grateful Dead. Lost track of how many shows I've attended, but these days I am kinda put off by Bob Weir's "I'm Jerry Now" attitude.
How's that for a starter?
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Posted by: jon, Tried to float this on Digest and got nary a response, so here goes on the Blue;
Here's a little exercise: Assuming SD is your favorite musical artist/group, who or what is your second favorite? The commonalities/divergences might make for interesting reading.
Or not...
Posted by: heymike, near Chicago, IllinoisHoops, I couldn't tell from your post if you know that Zevon is dying from lung cancer? Sorry it wasn't clear.
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