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Date: Sat, November 30, 2002, 15:58:51 ET
Posted by: :), :0

Next-I don't think Bill Clinton was Dr. Mu. The post wasn't long enough.


Date: Sat, November 30, 2002, 15:41:59 ET
Posted by: :), :0

Next-I don't think Bill Clinton was Dr. Mu. The post wasn't long enough.


Date: Sat, November 30, 2002, 14:42:13 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Hoops-

Sorry to hear about your pillness (P is silent). I guess you can be thankful you didn't get flat-on-your-back pneumonia (or boogie woogie flu).

Since a common topic here is "what the heck is this SD song about?" I'd like to pose a similar question about a Joni Mitchell song. One of my long-time faves is The Jungle Line, off Hissing of Summer Lawns (which also includes Shadow and Light). My guess has always been that it's kind of a surrealistic image-poem about the influence of industrialization and drugs on art (music and visual).

But perhaps someone has a better idea and can enlighten me...?

-Pete

P.S. Read an interview with Joni a couple years back in the SF Chronicle and learned that she was quite unhappy with the negative critical reception of HOSL (the follow-up to Court and Spark). Over the years, I think it's held up much better for me than C&S. Both albums have a strong "battle of the sexes" theme, but I think HOSL is more self-assured from the woman's perspective.


Date: Sat, November 30, 2002, 12:46:10 ET
Posted by: phoops, pchicago (the p's are silent)

I don't understand the silent P in front of Pneumoniua. Anyhow, I learned that I'm recovering from "Walking Pneumonia." Why I couldn't have "Waltzing Pneumonia," I don't know. Probably not enough floor space in my place for me to waltz with it. Must have got it from cleaning windows using "Windex with Pneumonia D."

I finally found the deluxe version of Joni Mitchell's "Travelogue." No I'm not jumping on the Joni bandwagon, been a fan of hers for years and "Shadows and Light" is probably my fav. So many of the tracks are stunning and I really prefer her current voice than that of, say, the early 70s. With all this political humor or attempts at it here lately, I was blown away at the paintings featured in the deluxe version of "Travelougue." Among them:

• collapsing Twin Towers with a lion and some other faces subtlely painted into the flames and smoke
• A sullen portrait of George Bush with flames behind him (more subtle imagery painted into the flames) and what is maybe a Palestinian woman behind him. Or maybe it's a representation of death.
• a blond woman baring her breasts with Osama bin Laden emerging from between her legs
• And a relatively serene and cheerful portrait of Colin Powell

Have to study this some more.

Definitely a CD to buy. I haven't been glued to a new CD in quite a while but the new Joni and new Harrison are both stuck in my head.

Regarding "Brainwashed," it's maybe not his top album but it's really good. After the negative buzz about Jeff Lynne supposedly overproducing it, I didn't think he overproduced it that much, if at all. (It made me appreciate why the SD Newsletter commented that we shouldn't take as gospel what we might read in advance of the release of Steely Dan's next project.) So far tho, this album has a touch more ELO sound than did the last ELO album with Lynne, "Zoom," which I thought wasn't stereotypically enoughly like an ELO album. Go figure.

Peg:
Thanks for the solemn prayer of thanks. It reminded me of that "Solemn prayer for peace," "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again."

hoops


Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 20:51:33 ET
Posted by: Next,

"Bill Clinton" you gotta a long way to go before you are funny. You sound like Dr Mu.

Joni's new You Dream Flat Tires blows me away. Great heads up, Coyote.


Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 20:24:18 ET
Posted by: Peg, Back room

Tryptophan: An amino acid present in turkey, bananas, cottage cheese, dried dates, fish, milk, peanuts, and meat, in general. Acts as anti-depressant, sleep aid, suppresses appetite. Formerly available in capsule form and now completely banned in the US as a supplement after a few tainted supplies were sold by one company. Imagine if they did the same thing to acetominaphen after the Tylenol scare. Hmm.

As to the previous question about what semi-mojo means, I always figured it in conext: Semi mojo; who's this kinky so-and-so? Translation: Hey the kid is biracial, and sports the same kinky hair as the fellow dear Babs met at the bar.

I'm thankful for Steely Dan. Consider for one moment life without the Dan. Yikes! Aren't you one thankfuller puppy now than you were just a second ago?

Cheers and Beaujolais to you all. :)



Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 16:36:58 ET
Posted by: ALGORE, Truck Stop near Chattanooga

Bill, you've never been more prolific, where were you in 2000?
I couldn't make sense of anything that year!

AL


Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 12:31:22 ET
Posted by: Bill Clinton, nowhere near Hillary

Daytona: Man, just read another Stephen King novel...hey, you could use a Lewinski! I always said the Eisenhower should have let the Germans know the details about the D-Day invasion.

Jebby, Man, me and the MacSter we spent all the DNC money trying to get rid of you. We told Reno to pre-set all the machines. That was a sneaky trick allowing incompetent Democratic locals to run the new high tech ballot machines - thye couldn't even plug them in! ...and where's the love...monkey...the hospitality Florida is known for in Florida? I sent you opponent over to a table to pick up some hot babe for me (where's an Arkansas State Troope when you need one?), and her boyfriend gets pissed and runs us out of the restaurant! Eh, she wasn't fat enough anyway...

We still got a chanced in '04! We still have African-Americans on the reservation, even after we told McCall and Robert Ford Jr. to go to the back of the bus.

If you're really bored, here's The Patriot Act in full. Passed 98-1 in the Senate, but i'm convince Asssssssshcroft rigged the vote.


Never mind that it protects against American Muslim rights straight off the bat (Sect. 102), that it updates previous laws, that surveillance and searches require the same court order or warrant (sect 213), and a major focus is terrorist money laundering (sect. 301) and tracking non-citizens and illegals (sect. 201), the thing that pisses me off is that they're now letting Cuban boys into the country!...man, I saw Scarface, and I'll tell ya - that's a scary movie! Pacino was great!

The goodt news is that now everyone's forgotten I ordered twice as many wiretaps as Nixon and stole 900 FBI files instead of the one Charles Colson stole...play Freeh Bird! Man, they love me in China - I'm goin' back cause I see Hillary coming this way! Gonna get a Geisha - or is that Japan?


Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 10:08:08 ET
Posted by: Daytona room,

http://www.news-jrnl.com/2002/Nov/26/OPN2.htm


Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 22:51:34 ET
Posted by: Trippin' on Triptophan ,

Hey, Tom and Penelope are going to get married in the dining room of a Moroccan shipliner: "Coos coos 'n' kiss-kiss on the Cruise-Cruz cruise." Now fill your mout with T-Day stuffing and repeat that last Headline. Impress your guests.

Lisa Marie and Nicholas: Love me Tender.

Jebby, Bust size? hey are you the one who keeps sending me the spam that I can increase my bustline for $19.95. maybe you just wanna get all the less-voluptuous female and hermaphrodite Danfans' email addys so you can send 'em spam I'm on to you, bud. Hey you know what they call a nun who had sex change operation to become a priest? A TRANSSISTER! The operation is called an Addadictomy. Heh heh.

W. is just mad 'cos Saddam has more wives than him. Utterwise they'd just swap wives and be done with this war kwap.

Let's all go to our bosses monday and ask for a promotion for accomplishing nothing, just like Tom ridge. Next best thing to becoming Prez 'cos Daddy was.

Hey bandwagoneers, HTTP://WWW.HARMONICATS.COM


ToT

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Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 14:03:31 ET
Posted by: µ ,

Howard: Yes, the Porcaro clip, since it's from the beginning of the song certainly could be the second version that Roger Nichols mentioned. That makes sense. Could it be a spare outtake of the original? There are no horns or backing vocals. It has the same sound quality, pace and soundscape as *newly found* Gaucho and Time Out of Mind outtakes (and those are stupendous). It almost seems they were recorded about the same time. I realize the final master was erased, but earlier versions besides the original demo might have been around as well, just like those outtakes of other songs??? I guess we'll never know...


Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 09:23:38 ET
Posted by: Gina, Circle Game Mountain

Credit where credit is due ... Vince Mendoza is mentioned as arranger and conductor, Larry Klein for musical direction. Larry Klein btw also produced another Canadian singer, Holly Cole, the album Dark Dear Heart. Holly covered a Joni track, River. A Dan-familiar name appearing on this particular Holly CD is Dean Parks. Given the 70-ies thread and spreading it wider, critics acclaim Joni made her best albums in the seventies, George Duke flew in various directions blending his Adderley-Zappa-Ponty time ... all the more interesting to look upon a musician's career over time and notice their speaking tongues in brass and cymbals :-)


Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 08:44:23 ET
Posted by: Coyote, Urbana

Hello Jive Turkeys,

Tangentially related to the SD flow is of course Joni Mitchell, who released a stunning 2 CD set last week, and I just wanted to sing it's praises. Hoops, I know you're a big fan of JM; this is a must own. She had success with the orchestration of jazz standards on her last album, so this time she chose 2 CD's worth of her own tunes and Larry Klein arranged them for orchestra. The musicianship is top notch, and the arrangments are stunning! Wayne Shorter and Brian Blades are there for most of the tunes. The deluxe package features a lot of her paintings, as does the first cd when put into your rom drive.

Anyway, sorry for the blatant commercial for a Joni CD, but this thing is a must have for Sunday afternoon.

Down the road,

Bruce


Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 07:20:24 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Mu - based on that Roger Nichols quote, it does seem more likely that the full band version of second arrangement is a wendel-driven remake. I always figured it was based on the original (lost) version, but it looks to be otherwise.

The engineer who accidentally erased most of the track would have put the tape on record from the start, so there must have been only a portion at the end of the track that remained. I suppose if they had backing vocals from the original for at least the last chorus, they could re-use these parts for earlier choruses. It was these backing vocals more than anything that made me think it was the original - they wouldn't have bothered overdubbing backing vocals unless they were happy with the rhythm track. But, they could re-use backing vocals from a fragment of the original version to rebuild the track.

I doubt the bridge section would have survived, so maybe they actually re-recorded piano and rhodes parts for the remake. For the rest they could have used (wendelised) drums from the original, plus bits and pieces of backing vocals and guitar, from whatever was left of the original.

That other version (intro only, better sound quality, with some nice drumming touches) - I doubt it's the original. As I said, the only bit left would have been at the end of the track. My guess is that this is the other remake that Roger Nichols mentioned.

Howard




Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 06:29:07 ET
Posted by: Abrakadabra,

Reggea? What are you talkin' about son?

Bob Marley is reggae.


Date: Thurs, November 28, 2002, 04:56:46 ET
Posted by: W1P,

Naw Royal Scam is the raggae song on that album


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 20:33:49 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Yeah, that bit's beautiful. The recording is exemplary.....it's a masterpiece. Fagen himself said his favourite part of that album - lyrically and musically I believe - was in Snowbound, after an instrumental break where it goes

"We sail out icecats on the frozen reeeeeever...." :)

I love that part too.

I also love the bass and drums only version on the single, possibly more than the original. Walter really can groove on bass as well, I keep forgetting how good he is on bass.

Has anyone any info on Mr Becker's bass/equipment of choice, from the 70's or 90's ?


Kind regards

Jaco


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 20:24:49 ET
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Right down the hallway with open arms

I was wondering how many have heard Elliot Randall's Guitar Archive CD and is it available somewhere online? How does his cover of Bodhisattva compare with the Steve Lukather/Toto version?


I know much has been said about DF's "K"... but does anyone else get goosebumps during the awesome middle part of Tomorrow's Girls: I'm talking specifically of the phenomenal background vocals part - "...the warm night breezes start rolling in off the sea. Yes, at lantern time that's when you come to me. Come to me." ----
I get chills EVERY time I hear that part. Anyone else?

J. LeP.


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 19:17:21 ET
Posted by: µ,

Howard: Great find. It seems then the snippet with wet drums could be some part of the original version, though not fully posh yet. The Wendelized full track one then is one of the remakes. I had that backwards for years. Would have loved (as we all) to hear the Porcaro version with horns. Wow! Porcaro was also the drummer on the title track from The Nightfly, which adds additional déja vu to the similarity of some of the chord progressions...


Hoops,

The J&R WebDrone sent me this today

"We are sorry to inform you that the item(s) you ordered,

Order Number Model Product Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3826024 08893956 FAGEN,DONALD - NIGHTFLY - DVD AUDIO

are currently not in stock. We have these on order with the manufacturer, and hope to have them available shortly."

You got the news????


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 10:43:36 ET
Posted by: Gina, Sun Show Me The Way Mountain

yep, spotted those horses a while back but had been absent in online world for quite some time so figured someone must have mentioned it here or there. i guess it's not any major news anymore, whatever changes on the ODP given the fact everyone's now anticipating-debating etc the forthcoming release. but it is nice, me being Dutch and all it was funny to see 'the Netherlands" in there. might be a similar experience when i'm in the States or anywhere and notice something reminding me of "back home". the copyright thingie however shows a name, van Maldegem which strikes me more as Flemish rather than Dutch, Maldegem is a Belgian town. Our southern neighbour Belgium has a dutch-speaking half and a frenchy one. Plus those horses lead me to Rickie Lee's Flying Cowboys ofcourse :-) Yep, any free whirling of the mind on the (appa)loose and connecting stuff ...
Aha! Haitian Divorce. Funny reading about this particular song AND Peter Frampton in one. For my first Steely Encounter was that Haitian Divorce on american forces radio network, right after i heard Peter Frampton doing that mouthpiece top ten hit of his :-) So in my memory those two songs glue like chewing gum onto the Royal Scam's sleeping man's hole in his shoe!
But i wouldn't define Haitian Divorce as reggae, although i know and hear its flavors. Back then it didn't occur to me as reggae. And now it's as if that Show Me The Way song only seemed to introduce me to the Dan. Showing me the way alright :-)
Mostly yellow-ish but with a touch of blue,
Regards, Gina


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 10:25:53 ET
Posted by: Shark DeVille, chillsville

Hogie Barmichaels... that's on par with Harmonious Monks in Jax. Sheesh.

It sounds like the Piano Jazz show is already in the can, but not airing 'til Feb. Hopefully they did a new tune or two. I'm jazzed to hear Donald and Marian duet on some standards. Is it an hour-long show?

Cool piece on "Haitian"... but what's semi-mojo?

Anyone seen the horses yet at SteelyDan.com?


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 08:29:02 ET
Posted by: Howard, again

From http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/10roger.htm:

What's the story behind the infamous erased track from Gaucho? Was it called The Second Arrangement?

(Roger Nichols:)
Yeah, that's it. We tried to re-record it but it never was as good the second time around. But we did a couple versions and did one especially for Gary Katz. We used a drum machine to redo it, depending on which version you have, but there were horns on the original song. There were two versions done, and I've heard one that utilizes separate parts edited together to make the song complete.

Howard


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 08:14:26 ET
Posted by: Howard,


I love that quote from Donald, taking about the as-then unnamed follow up album to Royal Scam:

"The new album should be quite interesting, there are some slightly extended pieces on it".

Who says the British are masters of understatement, eh?

Aja was indeed, and continues to be, a "quite interesting" album.

Howard

P.S Mu, Wendelised Steve Gadd could be right. But I understood that the Wendel versions were done as attempted remakes, once the tape had been partially erased. So where did they get all those guitars, backing vocals etc from? I can't see them working on a remake right up to the backing vocals. If they knew it wasn't working, it would never have gone beyond a basic rhythm track. Need to dig out those Roger Nichols quotes again to clarify...


Date: Wed, November 27, 2002, 02:13:20 ET
Posted by: Jebb,

It ain't always about you ya know!

http://www.volunteermatch.org/

Hell - working musicians don't make nearly enough. But damn boy I'd go hungry before I worked at a club called … Hogue Barmichael's!!!!!
What the fuck? The dork who named that club should be forced to listen to the mobilehome cds. Once or twice through ought to do him in. I bet that place books the harmonicats and the Planotones!!

Seriously that name is making me ill - pass the elderberry!

Come on girls - lets give up those bust sizes. Mines 42 aa/a!

Howard Dean, Jimmy Dean, Dizzy Dean - the world is nuts!

dubyabubba


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 22:26:18 ET
Posted by: Mr.Sticks,

Happy Thanksgiving from the Steely Fan Band !

Don't forget to come see the band LIVE....THIS Friday night, November 29,2002-8:30pm
The Studio Cafe
100 Main Street
Newport Beach,Ca.

Also, Join us for our last appearance of 2002!
Friday night December 13,2002.-8:00pm
Hogue Barmichaels
Newport Beach,Ca.

We will be part of a great night of music with:

Heartbreaker- A Tribute To Pat Benatar
Sticky Fingers- A Tribute to The Rolling Stones
and featuring:
Steely Fan Band-Tribute to Steely Dan

Thanks
Mr.Sticks
www.steelyfanband.net


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 21:29:28 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Dean Parks AND Walter Becker did the Haitian Divorce solo. Amazingly cool.

Speaking of cool, so are the Potter and Woods photo. Is it me or does Charlap look like the Remax Realty Man or a high school guidance councelor? Maybe he is.

Dave


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 21:17:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,

m.e. :
TOTALL AWESOME shots!

Peg:
Thanks for the heads up on the GGGR review.

j.k.:
Let's hope they do it. Wonder if Warners will let'em.

Scott:
Thanks for the URL.

Hi, Rag!

H.


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 20:41:10 ET
Posted by: moray eel, clark and grand

Here's Chris Potter from his Chicago Jazz Showcase gig in early October:

http://dandom.com/morayeel/potter.jpg


Here's Phil Woods and Bill Charlap from last Wednesday night:

http://dandom.com/morayeel/woods.jpg

http://dandom.com/morayeel/charlap.jpg

m.e.


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 19:30:34 ET
Posted by: µ,

Howard: My ears suggest that the full monty employs a Wendel-ized Steve Gadd track as on Glamour Profession.

The short snippet, which lopes cooly IMO, is definitely Porcaro - note some similarities with Gaucho and some of the same idosyncracies (ex. the Porcaro shuffle) on the Miss Sun track he played with Boz Scaggs...


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 18:54:54 ET
Posted by: jk,

TELL THEM - OH YEAH! PLEASE MAKE A "PIANO JAZZ WITH DONALD AND WALTER" CD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

**********************************************************************

Contact Us
Send your postal correspondence to:
Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz
c/o South Carolina ETV
1101 George Rogers Boulevard
Columbia, SC 29201-4755

You can e-mail us at pj@scetv.org.

Telephone inquiries should be directed to
Producer Shari Hutchinson at 803-737-3412.

Our fax number is 803-737-3503.

The main telephone number for SCETV
is 803-737-3200.


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 15:24:55 ET
Posted by: h,

The following is another oldie but goodie. This one appeared first in the 25.12.76 edition of Sounds. Then Metal Leg featured an encore publication in their April 1992 edition. I'm not sure what happened to Sounds or if this article is anywhere else on the 'net—I don't think it is—so here… I think it's fascinating since it explains the off-debated guitar solo-credit on "Haitian Divorce." And just in time for coping with holiday visits with relatives, here's The Recipe for a Zombie, by none other than the former bartender of New York's famous Mayflower Hotel, Pete Fogel. Make one now and toast Pete's birthday. As always, thanks, Pete.


Haitian Divorce: it's Meaning…and other interesting stuff

The following article appeared in the December 25, 1976 issues of Sounds, a British publication:

The Strange World of Steely Dan
A lyrical exposeé by Tim Lott

In the USA there"s been three but it's the first one over here and—praise to Papa Doc and Dean Parks—it's a classic alright.

'Do It Again', 'Reelin" In The Years' and 'Rikki Don"t Lose That Number' were the big three over the water, class commercial 45s worthy of top placing in anyone"s Top Ten. But in the U.K.: a big zero.

And now, it's Yuletide 1976 and the transatlantic tables are turned with 'Haitian Divorce', unreleased in the States and bombing up the charts over here.

All this has come as rather a surprise to one Mr. Donald Fagen of Becker/Fagen songwriting fame. Fagen is currently working five days a week in the studios putting together the new Steely Dan album (as yet untitled) and the success of what was the obvious single from The Royal Scam bodes well for the future.

Or was it the obvious single? ABC executives in America didn't seem to think so. Fagen explains: 'Over here we released two singles from The Royal Scam—"Kid Charlemagne" and "The Fez", neither of which did anything.' '"Haitian Divorce" does have slight reggae overtones and reggae music hasn't got commercial appeal in the USA in the way it has in Britain. It just didn't occur to anyone to release it over here.'

'Its success in Britain surprised me all the same because it's quite an exotic number.' Exotic, yes. Almost to the point of being incomprehensible, in fact, from a lyrical point of view. The excellent guitar work being the main sales angle coupled with Fagen"s unusual nasal vocalizing. But what does it all mean?

Well, the first few verses are plain enough. Babs and Clean Willy get married, right? But things don"t work out somehow, and off they go to Haiti to grab themselves a quickie divorce. Then Babs heads off to some sleazy night club to drown her sorrows.

Fagen takes up the story: 'If you've been paying attention, you'll know she's in a drugged stupor by now and probably doesn't know anything about it. She is later…er…impregnated by this exotic gentleman. Later she is reunited with Clean Willy and they have some rather bizarre offspring ('Who's this kinky so-and-so').'

And then the chorus marks a second expedient divorce. Fascinating stuff, and not the only interesting angle on the record. The guitar soloing was in fact performed by 'two' musicians.

'Yes, it was done in quite an unusual way. Dean Parks played the actual notes but Walter (Becker) altered the sound by using a voice bag.' (One of those things Peter Frampton is always sticking in his mouth.)

'I think it's really great to see the single doing so well over there. And I really like reggae—Toots and The Maytals, Bob Marley.'

No doubt about it, singles are sure handy things to have—though not as lucrative for Steely Dan as they might be.

'I don't make any money whatever becomes a success, I live in a sort of financial limbo. When we were young and innocent we signed a contract which was less than sensible in the sense that we could have a lot of success and not make much money. And our studio costs have to be paid back through royalties. All the same, the single will help us to sell more albums so more people will hear the music, which is good.'

Now we dolly back, now we fade to black and to an imaginary but not impossible TV studio. Mr. Blackburn stands out in front of camera three smiling in his customarily genuine manner. He joyfully introduces Steely Dan and the first chords of 'Haitian Divorce' show the teenage blank-faced crowd wobbling from side to side in time to the rhythm. Blackburn talks over the last three quarters of the record as stills of Becker and Fagen doing cute things in the countryside flash up on a side wall.

Steely Dan as pop stars? In America unremarkable, in Britain bizarre. The most intellectual and customarily inaccessible of musicians providing fodder for the disco masses. Funny old world, ain"t it?

The Becker/Fagen marriage is really most effective within album format—'Although we began our American career with singles, we've never recorded an album with a single specifically in mind' Fagen tells us.

'We're using session musicians (as usual) in the studio again—Larry Carlton, Joe Sample, Victor Feldman, Steve Gadd and Wayne Shorter, to name a few. We still aren't using a full-time band, but some of the musicians we"re getting to know intimately, er, in a musical sense, and you should see some of them if we do a tour of the USA and Europe next year as we're hoping to. But we have the album deadline to meet first.'

'The new album should be quite interesting—there are some slightly extended pieces on it, numbers up to eight minutes long. We don't know when it will be released yet.'

'It's very gratifying to see The Royal Scam doing well in Britain. I really enjoyed playing for English audiences—in fact, I enjoyed everything about Perfidious Albion I saw in my short visit this year.'

Perfidious Albion?

Followed by the following inset box from p. 45 of Metal Leg, April 1992, ©1992 Pete Fogel, reprinted here by kind permission:


Zombie

crushed ice
1 1/2 oz. lemon juice
3/4 oz. blood orange juice
3/4 oz. grenadine
3/4 oz. Cherry Heering
3/4 oz. white rum
2 oz. brown rum
3/4 oz. high-proof brown rum

Mix in a shaker with 1 scoop crushed ice. Strain into a highball glass with fresh crushed ice. Garnish with an orange slice, maraschino cherry, and mint sprig.
(Coconut shell optional)





Once again: Dan fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed some other issues of classic Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm

And, of course, please note that Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at http://www.metalleg`.com/

 


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 13:39:50 ET
Posted by: jk,

i keep forgetting the exact date too - is it the 29th? aw hell, let's just designate the whole damn week - PETE FOGEL WEEK - and celebrate appropriately!!!!!

hey donald - give him a call will ya?

its good to see jeb and others jabbing the imperial resident. i have no love for either party but this guy is interesting:

http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/1124/coverstory_entire.htm



jk


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 13:35:23 ET
Posted by: Scott,

Hey Dave:

Over a dozen Glengarry Glen Ross CD's are available at http://half.ebay.com/ most of which are under $2 (plus postage). I have always had great luck with this website for music purchases.


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 13:15:59 ET
Posted by: The Greater Dandom, World Wide

Happy Birthday to Pete Fogel, Undeniably The World's Greatest Steely Dan fan! I think it's today or tomorrow or thereabouts.


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 13:06:18 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Regarding Oleander's post about SD on Piano Jazz, I say it's likely and unlikey. Likely it could be part of the publicity for the new album but unlikely that Fagen would play new stuff. I see Fagen and Becker playing all old 20s-50s jazz and McP suggesting a Dan classic or two. I'm not expecting new stuff. Hope I'm wrong. Then again, I haven't heard this show but a few times. I vote yes on a CD from NPR of this show.

Everyone's overlooking that Jay Leonhart is playing during this show too. He's a funny man and a great bass player. He could be a great guest on PJ all by himself. Maybe he already has been on. Does any one know if Carolyn and Michael are as funny as their Dad? I thought Fagen and Jay were buds or worked together somewhere or somehow.

Would love to get my mitts on the Glen Gary Glen Ross CD. Someone mentioned a U.R.L. a long time ago. Mine is lost. Anyone remember? The movie has the F word in it more than the words a, and and the.

Wasn't the Harmonicats a Disney cartoon or Disneyland act? Or are they just Mickey Mouse? ;-) I thought I had Harmonicats Panaviewer discs as a kid.

Jeb and J.R. You're hilariously twisted. Surely, Don and Walt would approve. Or are you Siamese twins?

Earl, were you harsh? I'll try and not get interested if Becker and Fagen mention that they like somebody I've not heard of before. I'd rather pretend to be disinterested than jump on Parker's bandwagon.

Happity T-Day people.

Dave


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 07:16:20 ET
Posted by: confused?, so was I!


Oops. Wasn't trying to impersonate anyone on that previous post, it was me (not Jaco). If I'm not 100% awake, I sometimes start typing my post in the first box ("Your Name") - usually I spot it before I post, this time I missed it...

Howard


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 07:11:15 ET
Posted by: Jaco,

Jaco - good, I thought we were talking about that same "full band" 2nd arrangement version.

I don't have any chords/tab for "Big Noise New York" - not sure if anyone else has though...

Howard


Date: Tues, November 26, 2002, 01:37:46 ET
Posted by: oleander, my yellow/ blue stripe

Peg, moray--It's in the mail. Finally.

Yow, Tris, you're ON again.

hoops!--fiiine review.

Now wouldn't it make sense for The Next One to come out right before "Piano Jazz" so they could do a couple of new tunes on the show?


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 20:55:57 ET
Posted by: Peg, Running

Gosh, can't anybody play nice any more? Chill, children. Must be the dreary winter pre-holiday stress syndrome....the doctor says, try taking two A.C. Jobim sambas, a nice Fagen horn arrangement, and a solid Walter guitar solo. You'll feel better fast.

Hey Hoops, Rolling Stone's reviewed the DVD version of Glengarry Glenn Ross and given it like 4 stars. So there ya go. Latest issue.


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 18:34:25 ET
Posted by: hoops,

J.R.:
Charlap only explained one thing about the next album: you know that blue-lavender colored security level you mentioned?

He says it's really "Code Periwinkle." I hope I didn't just get him kicked off the new project.

Earl:
URL pretty much said it.

Regarding what's welcome here, hey, anything tangential from Steely Dan—musically, humorously, culturally, etc, is welcome. Some posts aren't even about music but they are sure funny in a Danesque sorta way. (That "Mean Santa" post from about a year ago is one that sticks out in my mind as being a good example.)

Jebber:
LOL! Looky here, I've been praising the Harmomicats on the Digest for years…I just don't remember why. Elderberry. Mmmmm.

h


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 16:23:09 ET
Posted by: JEBBER,

Oh sure now that the harmonicats have been mentioned on a cool Steely Dan site, everyone is going to be talking about them - here and else where!!!!

The funny thing is that earl will try to sell them as cool to his Friend(s?). Steeeeve will start CatsHarmoniqué - the cover band!

464 days since the evil one declared, "We will get Osama - dead or alive!" Good work my bro! Really tough to find a 6'5" beardo hooked up to a dyalysis machine. And why are you letting Afganistan unravel again? How are we going to get the oil pipe through?

Jeb2008


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 15:41:46 ET
Posted by: Deja Vu, could you be Gold Teeth, Too,

That mystery .WAV also sounds a hell of a lot like the opening to the The Nightfly (The song). Somehow, I think we already have the Second Arrangement. One part in one song and another part in another released song.


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 13:54:27 ET
Posted by: J R Ewing, Dallas

Brothah Jeb-ily.,

Happy Birtday to your twin neecees, Jenna + Barbara. Could you drop them off at my place? Now that they're 21 I wanna show them a REALLY good time. Takin' 'em to the Sugarshack to share a wet, drippy, saucy pork sandwich. Oh, tell the secret service to stay home. Make sure they pack their bail bond cards too. How will these upstanding denizens/demi-vixens reflect Bush values now that they can't drink illegally anymore?

With Jakko trying to be Diana Ross, I think Macca want's to be Celine Dion, don'tcha think? But will her clothes fit him?? This could explain the look on heather's face. Or it proves John really WAS better. I think Penthouse should do a spread where Yok o and heather do each other. Hey, all I am saying is give their pieces a chance!

Chromatics? I spell it T-H-E H-A-R-M-O-N-I-C-A-T-S

Aren't the Irish Rovers really the Chieftains in telemarketing mode? Why can't we talk Irish Rovers?? They are my second favorite band - just keepin' it on the blueboard topic of second favorite bands, see????

So Hoopsicle. Yo drag your sick ass all the way to see Charlap and then he tells you nothin about the new album.? I'd demand a refund!

Polishin' my spurs and chains for Jenna an Barbara.

J R


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 13:40:48 ET
Posted by: jebster,

Relax everyone.

It is clear that Earl is just trying to appear cool to SOMEONE?! by pretending to like SD. It is certain that he never listens to them, jazz, or any other creative music.

He has been over his head here for years. He just stops by after spending hours at rush's ditto head sites to stir up trouble.

Of course most of us have been listening to toots and marian for years. Maybe we should have mentioned them more here but we didn't. I also happen to enjoy being educated by Donald and Walter now and then. I tracked down the Henry Mancini CD with Pete's Pad and I enjoy it a lot.

Earl it is ok to dig Bon Jovi and Journey, just don't come here and pretend that you know anything about music or politics for that matter.

I suggest lurking and learning.

Jeb2008


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 11:39:09 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Earl - I come to the Blue to get info on Donald and Walter, or events/information that are linked to them. Sure, I could start a thread on The Irish Rovers, but I wouldn't, because they have nothing to do with Steely Dan. However if I saw Walter Becker up on stage dancing the Irish Jig on St. Patrick's Day with the band, I'd probably post to the Blue about it.
I don't mind sidebar discussions on off-topics but for the most part I like this board because 90% of the posts are Steely Dan related. I still visit the yellow but have found that too many people use it as a diary of their daily lives. (Sorry yellow people).


Mark in Boston


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 10:28:52 ET
Posted by: URL,

Earl

No, Marian isn't all of a sudden a flavor of the month just because of Steely Dan guesting on Piano Jazz.

Marian has been discussed here and elsewhere off and on through the years, and before it was ever known by the loyal fandom that Donny and Walty were to be on.

As examples, just check out some Blue Board posts //BEFORE// the show was announced, August 20, 2002 (Piano Jazz discussion) September 30 (McPartland club review), September 24, etc. by Hoops and others; also check out posts on Oct 15 (Peg mentioning the coincidence of it all).

Sure, some people are gonna pay her attention now that SD will be on Piano Jazz and that's good. But your last post on this topic is pretty distorted.


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 08:58:52 ET
Posted by: Make that, ahem

5:24 am? When did it start? That month, anyway...


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 08:40:54 ET
Posted by: Bif Bourguignon a la blaisie de Boulogne, forward looking back

For the skinny and more, much more on the Second Arrangement:

http://www.banyantrees.net/archives/april01.html

Scroll up from Monday April 23th 19101 7:04:37.
And marvel, I guess. Ha!
Just kidding.


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 08:29:55 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Hey Hoops, who'd they have on VH1 Storytellers last week?

Sorry for sounding so harsh, but I hate this "not good enough for Steely Dan fans until Steely Dan endorses it" attitude. It's like if they had friggin' Britney sing backing vocals on their new album that she would then become the flavor of the day here.

An observation: it's funny how no one ever would have thought of mentioning "Piano Jazz" until there was a sniff of D+W appearing on it. Now, it's like she's been anointed Queen of England or something. So she had on Toots Thielemann, if he was on there 10 years ago you wouldn't have given it two thoughts.

Maybe I can chalk my belligerence up to a rough weekend...

Earl


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 08:11:48 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Howard:

Howard: I think the mp3 I have must be the full band version you're talking about. I left "lead vox" out of the description below - whoops.

Also, do you have a lead sheet or anything like that for "Big Noise, New York?" I have what I believe is the demo done by Fagen [ although it is releasable quality!] and it's such a great song, I'd quite like to cover it for an album of mine. [For a Music Tech course! not to make money of course!]

Cheers


Jaco


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 07:58:13 ET
Posted by: Jaco, The Second Arrangement

Hi guys

I have two mp3s......one "finished" sounding one, though sound quality is not perfect, and a slightly different "demo" version. The finished one has guitar, bass, piano, rhodes, backing vox [girls] and drums.....not sure if it's a drum machine though.

They are both slightly different from the link below in Howard's post. The "finished" one is really tremendous, one of my favourite Steely Dan tracks, along with "Wetside Story".

If anyone would like one or both copies, just mail me at i_am_melissa84@hotmail.com and I'll send them to you.

Kind regards

Jaco


[ Mike, not Melissa! ;) ]


Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 07:39:59 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Re: 2nd Arrangement wavfile and discussions

I believe the short intro snippet of the Second Arrangement was originally (and still) available from:

http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mystery.wav

I think the angelfire site just copied it from John Granatino's site - just giving credit where credit is due.

I did email John some months ago, after another 2nd arrangement discussion on the yellow, to aks him where he got that snippet from, and whether any more of it was available, but I never heard back. If you're reading this John, would love more info on that audio clip!

As others have mentioned, there used to be mp3 clips at Andy Metzger's site of a piano and bass demo version of 2nd Arrangement, as well as a version that included guitars, keyboards, vocals, backing vocals etc. I believe this full-band version (a snippet of which is also available from John's site above) is essentially the same as the version that was partially erased by the engineer in the infamous Gaucho recording disaster story. It's not a finished recording - Donald's vocal sounds like a guide vocal, and there are gaps where solo instruments (guitar? sax?) would probably have been added, but apart from that it's all there.

The other short intro snippet ("mystery.wav") sounds to me like one of the attempts at rerecording the song. To be honest, I don't like it as much, though I'd love to hear more so I could make a proper judgement. The drums do have a little more life to them, but the rest doesn't sound half as good. My guess is that they never got beyond recording the main rhythm parts, so I doubt there would be any vocals etc.

One thing I also read was from Roger Nichols, where he said they attempted several remakes of the track, including one using Wendel for the drums. It's possible the full-length, full-band version was a remake created using Wendel, as it does have a heavy beat similar to other Wendel-ised tracks like Hey 19. But, I don't see how they could have recovered the tracks for keyboards, backing vocals etc for the full length of the song, after the tape was partially erased, so I'm not so sure if that theory adds up...


Howard



Date: Mon, November 25, 2002, 06:17:28 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Mornin' y'all


I was wondering what happened to Andy Metzger's excellent website. I got some great downloads from there, as well as latest news, link etc. What happened to it? Anyone know??


Regards


Jaco


Date: Sun, November 24, 2002, 23:33:46 ET
Posted by: jebby,

So - what the heck is this - the Phil Woods message board? SCREW him - all those jazz guys are liberals! He won't be able to breath to play soon anyway, since we gutted the clean air act.

Huupz - Ya fell muck bedder you dring da elderberry extract.

Marge Simpson got implants tonight. Unscientific survey: what are the bust sizes of our gals who post here?

And how much does EVERYONE make?

Don't forget to watch McCartney on Wednesday.

Is it me or is his wife a little grouchy. She sure is nice nakid though. Check the pix on the internet.

I think that we should send Michael Jackson over to talk to saddam before the war. They speak the same language.

What ever happened to laToya? I hear she was playing with Clas but HE wasn't cutting it!

Has everyone checked their "heaven-worthyness."

COMING SOON: HOLY WAR/JUDGEMENT DAY! COOL!

Hey Walter - how about a solo CD?

When is the U2 special?

Anybody know anybody besides TOots and Stevie what play the chromatic harp?

Stevie doing a !#$#%!$%^%&^ Target commercial - that's sad.

Is it a good thing that big butts are in?

Anyone got a sacagewa dollar on em right now?

Bring back Nash Bridges!







Date: Sun, November 24, 2002, 20:04:18 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

Moray Eel:
Email me and we'll get those photos up. That would be so great of you.

On Wednesday, I experienced one of those funny sore throats where as soon as you feel it, YOU KNOW you have the flu (despite or because of the flu shot a couple of weeks ago). So sorry to be so scarce here. Regardless, I knew I had to get to see Bill Charlap and Phil Woods at the Jazz Showcase. So saturated with over-the-counter meds, bundled up, anticipating a totti or a brandy when I got there, I headed out into the light snow and hit the 4:00 p.m. matinee set (or the "kid's show," as it is designated).

The show was great. The Jazz Showcase seats something like 120 and there were maybe 75 people there. Despite the Chicago Tribune reviewer's comments, the bills posted around the Jazz Showcase said listed it as being Phil Woods with Bill Charlap Trio.

Phil played with the trio for about 25 minutes; then it was just Charlap's trio for another 25 minutes, followed by Phil rejoining the trio for two set closers, "Lover Man" and "Yardbird Suite" (I think that's the title). They played about 70 minutes. All of it was fantastic, BUT the last two were the best. Bill's playing is very capable technically and he just glides across the keys. His playing has this spriteness to it. It occurred to me that if indeed he ends up on the new project, this means a REAL PIANO SOUND might be up front. That got me excited. And Phil has this consistent fuzzy, warm kind of vibrato thing going that reminds me of fuzzy, warm butterscotch pudding. The fuzz is always consistently the same thickness as if shorn to a precise length, if you know what I mean. (Hey! I told you I was on meds. Maybe this should be on Oleander's "Fever Dreams" instead.) So my point of all this is, even if you're sick, be sure to catch Phil and Bill when they hit your town. They are moving on to St. Paul tomorrow through Wednesday at The Dakota.

Earlier today I caught Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz and it was an especially great show. Her guest was Toots Thielemans. Although he plays guitar, he is best known for Jazz harmonica. He has played with George Shearing, Charlie Parker, Ella Fitzgerald and Paul Simon, among many others. The highlight for me was this version of "Daydream." Steely Dan fans may know David Sanborn's sublime version on "Music From and Inspired By Glengarry Glen Ross." I also thought he did a gret version of "Autumn Leaves" and Marian performed this original instrumental inspired by Toots. Two things stick out from this show. One, it reminded me of Louis Adler and his chromatic playing. Two, it also reminded me of Fagen and his melodica. HIs playing melodica on the New York Rock and Soul Revue was great, especially the urgency it lent to "Greenflower Street." Somehow, that seems ages ago, when Donald didn't have quite as much grey hair.

Speaking of "Glengarry Glen Ross," the new double-set DVD-V of it is out. I haven't had time to watch it yet. I don't think "Music From and Inspired By Glengarry Glen Ross" will ever get re-released here in the States which is a DAMN shame. It's one of my favorite albums, as many of you know.

I was really surprised how many people wrote the Digest or wrote me privately in response to my comment about "39 years since 'The Nightfly' ended." Most all wrote to comment how that album does take them back to the Kennedy years and Camelot and how that album still captures all of that, how moving it all is. That in itself left me with my own fever dream about what "The Nightfly" means to me.

Be well.

h


Date: Sun, November 24, 2002, 17:29:56 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Clark and Grand

Regarding Phil Woods...

Yes, he did play at the Jazz Showcase in Chicago on Wednesday, November 20th. He played during both sets, although he sat out for a couple of numbers during both shows.

In a side conversation, he commented on why he hasn't played at the Village Vanguard in a long time and a few other interesting tidbits about the current jazz scene.

Hoops: I have a couple of pictures that I can share.

m.e.


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 23:45:31 ET
Posted by: Mike, Louisville, KY

Mr. LePage:

I don't know where you are posting from, but the U.S. version of Herbie Hancock's "New Standard" CD does NOT include the cover of Your Gold Teeth II. You'll have to import it.

Lucky Brits,

El Sup

:-)


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 23:20:06 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Mizar 5

It's called "The New Standard" (1996)

Tracklist:

New York Minute (8:35)
Mercy Street (8:37)
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (8:07)
When Can I See You (6:17)
You've Got It Bad Girl (7:15)
Love Is Stronger Than Pride (8:00)
Scarborough Fair (8:24)
Thieves In The Temple (7:33)
All Apologies (5:08)
Manhattan (4:06)
*** Your Gold Teeth II (Island Of Lights And Love) (5:14) ***


Also check out

http://www.users.bigpond.com/apertout/Hancock1.htm

http://www.warr.org/hancock.html#TheNewStandard

http://www.salon.com/april97/sharps/sharps970429.html


Mike Brecker's on that album too.....very exciting....as well as Don Alias, a close personal friend of Jaco Pastorius....



..*sigh*..


Hope this helps


Regards,

Jaco


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 23:06:57 ET
Posted by: Mr. LePage, 8 or 16

Anyone know name of the Herbie Hancock CD that contains "Your Gold Teeth II" ? And how is HH's cover of it?

JLe


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 21:47:42 ET
Posted by: George Harrison, Cloud Number 9 Number 9 Number 9

Jeff Porcaro just told me that was the best groove he laid down in the Guacho sessions, besides for the title track.

Jaco, how did you get out again without supervision??

Hoops, great site. It's nice not to have to wait for John Edwards to get on some f**ing tele program to communicate with the living. Hope everyone out there enjoys Brainwashed.


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 19:43:14 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Yeah, sounded good. I have [on mp3 format] a "demo" of the whole song and also a "finished" but not releasing quality one. They both sound good, especially the "finished" one, which is really awesome. I hope it has been properly recorded, if I had had those problems in the first place though I wouldnt be willing to walk over dead ground.............here's hoping eh?


Does Messrs Fagen and Becker ever post here?

Regards


Jaco


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 13:52:28 ET
Posted by: required,

Hey Jaco - give it up - you're dead!

Listen to the wav file that bif just gave us. very cool. So much better of a groove than the other versions!



Mr. REQ

http://www.iacenter.org/images/iraqfactsheet.pdf


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 11:37:44 ET
Posted by: j-UK, is OK

Thanks, ß.


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 09:17:54 ET
Posted by: Bif Naked, @choo

http://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/images/Mystery.wav


Date: Sat, November 23, 2002, 08:31:16 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Required: Where is this snippet of the final version of the second arrangement??


Regards


Jaco


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 17:05:51 ET
Posted by: h,

Here's an article on Phil and Charlap's Trio from the Trib.


--------------------
Woods plays rings around trio
--------------------

By Howard Reich
Tribune arts critic

November 21, 2002

Everyone in jazz knows that Phil Woods ranks among the great alto saxophonists, but the set he played Tuesday night at the Jazz Showcase reminded listeners why.

Backed by a solid trio that mostly stayed out of his way, Woods--a veteran of tough years in the music business--sounded as persuasive and dynamic as this listener has heard him, maybe more so. Thanks to the extraordinary stylistic polish of Woods' playing, the saxophonist turned the evening into a showcase for melodically sublime, technically unerring solos.

From the moment that Woods put the horn to his lips (following some surprisingly muted contributions from the Bill Charlap Trio), the audience was focused on the work of a superior reedist who had been billed merely as Charlap's guest.

But that was really the only possible reaction to the unusually ripe tone, remarkable harmonic sophistication and pervasive blues sensibility of Woods' work. Here was bebop-based playing that captured the idiomatic phrasing and taut swing rhythms that are fundamentals of this style. Yet Woods also produced a distinctly keening tone and an idiosyncratic approach to pitch that marked these performances as his.

Woods opened his portion of the evening playing Tadd Dameron's "Hot House," a bebop-era standard that the altoist took at a breezy, medium-swing tempo. Though his rhythm players inexplicably soft-pedaled their contributions, thereby robbing this performance of the viscerally exciting interchanges that are integral to this music, the lackluster accompaniment gave listeners ample opportunity to savor Woods' art. The way Woods approached rhythm, intonation and harmony was steeped in the vernacular of classic, 1940s bebop, yet the originality of his note choices and the luster of his tone made this music sound fresh, unpredictable and of the moment.

On the ballad "Summer Serenade," by another great altoist--Benny Carter--Woods spun long, sinuous phrases of ineffable beauty and poise.

Exactly why Charlap, bassist Peter Washington and drummer Kenny Washington were so demure is anyone's guess, since each is a formidable player in his own right. Perhaps these younger players yielded the spotlight to Woods as a gesture of respect. But they would do Woods, and the audience, a greater service by matching the altoist's intensity, note for note.

----------

Phil Woods and the Bill Charlap Trio play through Sunday at the Jazz Showcase, 59 W. Grand Ave.; $20; 312-670-2473.


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 16:55:28 ET
Posted by: Phil Fan, :(

Not Moray...I said I "WANT" to see Phil...I never said I WENT.


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 15:43:10 ET
Posted by: NOT Moray Eel,

Dear Phil Phan,

I heard Phil is only doing some shows and every other set on his tour with Bill C. Don't clubs like Jazz Showcase have two shows each night? Maybe you caught one and he caught the other that night, where Phil played his. Or maybe not. Just a suggestion.

nme


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 12:39:51 ET
Posted by: Phil Fan, :(

Moray eel....I want to see Phil Woods with Bill's trio. You said you just saw him this past Wednesday. Phil didn't play this past Wednesday. Are you sure you went to the right show? Cry a jag on me.


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 10:54:28 ET
Posted by: jebby,

I always thought that they were sending a message to a future time when boy bands ruled the world - "Keep your shirts on!"

** ATTENTION FELLOW PATRIOTS! MAY I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING …

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/10/25_Deserter.html

Evil - and getting away with it,

Jebby


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 09:18:07 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Clas - I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but Jay Black of Jay & The Americans and Jay Graydon are two different people.

Mark in Boston


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 07:14:16 ET
Posted by: Clas, Stockholm, Sweden

No, I am not responsible.

As they said in old Roma; El Dante Del Fortuna (that's Latin, meaning; Don't make me do it without the Tiara).

But isn't this quite amazing, this guy, Jay, is now, 33 years after he and his band Jay & the Americans had its peak, recording solo-records?


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 06:50:05 ET
Posted by: petit b, Kanadah

"Keep your shirt on" is just another way of saying "keep your cool, be patient", right? As in "Jay, keep your shirt on." I mean, the man's starting to come down on people for their modest e-pinions. Maybe he got the wrong idea here. Clas, are you responsible for this?
Seriously, I saw the expression used just the other day on those CNN graphics, over a Sanjay Gupta piece about the "growing impatience of americans".
"Keep your shirt on!" it read, real big. Could barely make out Sanjay under there. You know how it is...


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 04:42:53 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Showcase

Saw Phil Woods Wednesday night playing with Bill's Trio. They played a lot of Gershwin and Berlin. Very nice. Phil talked quite a bit, and seemed to be lovable and a little cantankerous. He still produces that incredibly beautiful, clean tone on the alto after all these years.

All in all, it was a very good night.

m.e.


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 04:25:50 ET
Posted by: J R Ewing, Dallas

Holy Shit! My buddy Jeb "Required" Bush is baaaccccckkkkkkkkk! LOL HA HA HA HA Always keepin it funny.

HEY I've wondered about that Heartbeat shit. "Keep your shirt on" That's a reference to the shroud of St Michael The Archangel Jackson RIGHT?? I got $5 and the deposit on 3 pepsi bottles riding on that one OK? You tellin' me it means nothing? FUUUUCKKKKKK!

I be playin "hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am" backwards for more meaning. Clue to heart beat, no? all lowercase means something, right> 1600?? Its about NIXON!!!?

Speaking of homeland security, I heard Tom ridge is protecting info about The new SD CD from leaking out from those who have played on it. Apparently whomever breaches info about the sessions is surgically removed from the album, that's why they keep having to re-re-remaster it and why it 'll never come out. Maryn McPartland is even going to be dangled by the boys out a hotel window for talking about it in the paper.

There is a whole series of color-coded security levvels for breach of security and degree of info breech about the next Steely Dan album in the secret catacombs of Steely dan.com. But don't expect to undestand the colored warning levels anytime soon. Apparently Steely Dan is using the entire Munsell color chart for the code levels. Hundreds of colors, count'em We're at a powerdery lavendar-blue color level right now. What does it mean? LISTEN! LISTEN TO TURN THAT HEARTBEAT OVER AGAIN That'll tell ya.

Well Jebz, Looking forward to voting for ya in 2008 after your bro's regime is up, assuming we don't hit Homeland security warning level White Hot in the mean time. Will you be at Dallas?

J R

P.S
Her'es a funny my two -year old told me:

Q: Steely Dan's next CD, DVD-A? SACD? HDCD????

A; Yes, but not EIEIO

Well, it seemed cute when I was dangling her.


Date: Fri, November 22, 2002, 02:19:01 ET
Posted by: required,

Open letter to the cool dude or dudette who leaked the tantilizing 20 second snippet of the final version of 2nd arrangement:

Please give us the whole thing. that 20 seconds hints of a much greater version than any of the previous demos.

Please release it. we are dying for some new dan here.


Also. How about that lame breakdown of turn that heartbeat over again?

The author of that loser missive doesn't know steely dan, has never written a song before, and is willing to believe that anything that sounds like a drug/alcohol reference is one.

Guess what. the song ain't about anything in particular. they strung some lryics together that sounded "mysterious" and had a great texture to them, put them to the music and called it a day. Parts of one half finished song - a fragment here - a fragment there. I 've done it a million times. The beatles were acclaimed for it on side 2 of abbey.

Aw hell , if the kid had fallen and died, it might be a better fate than growing up with jacko!

I'm not posting anymore what with homeland security watching everything i do.

hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!


hail good king bush. i am loyal. i am!

regime change now - 1600 penn ave!!!



- gray jaydon


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 20:24:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

My sincere apologies to "A PIG." I thought you were Clas. Forgotten about Jay and "Ear candy." Sorry! And funny!

Speaking of Bill Charlap and his thinking that he is on the new Steely Dan project, he and Peter Washington and Kenny Washington are holding down the fort at Chicago's Jazz Showcase through Sunday. Also guesting is long-time co-hort Phil Woods. Should be cool.

Hard to believe tomorrow it will be 39 years since it was basically the end of story on "The Nightfly."

h


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 19:39:17 ET
Posted by:
h,

The Reunion

Metal Leg articles 5 & 6 of six

The following are installments #5 and #6 of six articles relating to Becker and Fagen's reuniting to play Steely Dan songs at the Lone Stone Roadhouse on October 23, 1991 during the New York Nights performance series. These radio interview transcripts originally appeared in Metal Leg Vol. 5, No. 4 dated April 1992. As far as can be told, this is the first time these transcripts have appeared on the Internet. Thanks, as always, to Pete Fogel.


Walter Becker Interview

"The Day After"

On October 24,1991, the day after The Reunion show at The Lone Star Roadhouse, Ray White of New York's contemporary jazz station CD 101.9, was scheduled to have Walter Becker, Andy Laverne and LeeAnn Ledgerwood on his morning show to talk about his Triloka production work. One of NY's biggest Danfans, Ray also took the opportunity to talk to Walter about the historic night before.

Ray White- We heard that there was an interesting show at the Lone Star Roadhouse last night.

Walter Becker- Well, it was a pretty rousing affair, you know we had a couple of horn players and Phoebe Snow and Donald Fagen, Cyndi Lauper was great, Rick Danko...

RW- And we understand from someone who called up that you played guitar, did couple of blistering solos, is that true?

WB- Well, let's see, (looking at his fingers) you're right.

RW- Check those blisters.

WB- That's what happens if you don't practice, kids.

RW- Is that the first time that you and Donald have played live in a while?

WB- Let's-see, we did a similar thing about a year and a half ago at a club on First Avenue (the defunct Hades, no Dan tunes were played) that has since been closed by the health department and renamed, but you know on an informal basis like that.

RW- Welcome to the Steely Dan fan club. And we understand last night Donald did "Green Earrings" and "Deacon Blues" and you were brought out on stage.

WB- I was dragged screaming and kicking up on the stage actually.

RW- Oh, come on, you kind of expected that, right?

WB- No, I didn't. If I had thought that was gonna happen, I would have just gone ahead and agreed to do it in the first place, but there was such an overwhelming spirit of approval that I felt compelled to get up there and do it.

RW- Are you amazed at the continuing success of Steely Dan and the sales and the fanaticism that people display?

WB- Yeah, it's pretty surprising. It's been over ten years since we did any of that stuff and it's still seems to be paying my rent, so to speak.

RW- You and Donald and Phil Spector and Quincy Jones and maybe The Beatles said no to live playing.

WB- Well, you know I was at dinner with Donald, Phil Spector and The Beatles last night and we're going on tour together.

RW- Where are you playing?

WB- And LeeAnn and Andy will be there, too.

RW- You've been producing a couple of piano players. We'll start off with Andy. How did you meet Andy Laverne, who we remember for some work with Chuck Loeb recently?

WB- I actually met him down at the first Andy Laverne recording session. And he strolled insouciantly in, I was already sitting there playing computer games and…

Andy Laverne- Walter, if you actually recall, we actually met on the plane on the way from…

RW- I was gonna say, the liner notes actually refute that story.

WB- Yeah, there you go.

RW- Welcome, Andy. Let's play something from the "Pleasure Seekers" CD. This is Andy Laverne, produced by Walter Becker.

[Plays track.]

RW- That featured Bob Sheppard on horn, Dave Weckl and John Patitucci in the rhythm section. They're in town tonight.

AL- If you're listening, hi guys, how are you?

RW- Now your reputation was for taking forever to cut a record, but you've really disproved that with both Andy and LeeAnn's projects, those were two-day projects.

WB- That's right and I might add that Roger Nichols and I have worked on eight or nine such projects this year and I must say that it's the most exciting way to record. The end product has a lot of truth and authority 'cause it all happened at once, everybody played together, it's just really exciting.

RW- Now with Andy it was kind of a thing of necessity that you had Dave Weckl and John Patitucci with their incredibly tight schedules.

AL- Right, we had to go in and out quickly.

RW- A little bit of pressure on you.

AL- A little bit. But actually it was kind of a relaxed session.

RW- Are you gonna be playing live at all here in New York?

AL- Yeah, as a matter of fact, we're playing November 4th at the Blue Note. Triloka, which is the label that we're all recording for, is doing a month of Mon sdays at the Blue Note. I'm playing with kind of a different band there: Will Lee, Anton Fig from the David Letterman Show and David Mann, the saxophone player.

RW- Sitting right next to you is LeeAnn Ledgerwood without her Tweetie Bird…

LeeAnn Ledgerwood- Just couldn't make it this morning. Couldn't get him out of bed.

RW- Actually, you know the story with that is that you have a favorite stuffed animal that you bring around with you as a good luck charm.

LL- Yes, and it adds to my maturity as an artist, too.

RW- DJs can talk about it. Are there weird things—and Walter and Andy can chime in if you want to—that people have brought in to prop up on pianos, keeping in mind this is a family show.

WB- At Triloka Records in the publicity department we try to come up with a gimmick for every artist and for LeeAnn it was the Tweetie Bird.

LL- I brought my own gimmick Everybody needs some kind of schtick to get over nowadays and Tweetie just happens to be the candidate for me.

RW- It's like The Beatles, they're gonna be throwing Tweeties at you.

LL- I would hope so.

RW- LeeAnn, where are you from? You grew up out in the Midwest somewhere?

LL- Yeah, originally from Warren, Ohio, that's really a good place to be from.

RW- Warren is near where?

LL- Sort of in between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Right next to nowhere, Ray, basically, okay?

WB- Is Pittsburgh in Ohio?

LL- It might as well be, once you get past the Hudson River, it just kinda evens out, doesn't it?

WB- Yeah, it flattens out for about three thousand miles.

LL- Just kidding, really it was a wonderful experience to come away from.

RW- And you moved to New York to make it in the big time.

LL- Yes, I did.

RW- We understand you used to hang out at Bradley's a lot and that's where you were discovered.

LL- Hanging being the operative word, right, Andy?

AL- I think so.

LL- Hanging from the rafters. You have to be some sort of bird species to make it through.

WB- LeeAnn had her own hook there at the back of Bradley's.

LL- At the back of Bradleys' neck.

RW- Down in the Village there. So let me ask you two what was it like working with Walter Becker, with this incredible reputation that preceeds him when he enters a studio?

LL- Basically, I had never heard of Walter before that experience so it made it rather easy for me (laughter). No, we had spoken on the phone numerous times I think, before that and there was some kind of connection there somehow. I felt very confident that he knew what kind of sound that it was that I wanted to get together.

RW- And he would be the right guy to do that?

LL- Yes, it worked out very well between him and Roger, I mean, I was totally taken out with the sound.

AL- I feel the same way. With Walter sitting right here I don't want to get too complimentary, I don't want to boost his ego too much, but it was great working with him and he really got a tremendous sound. He knows his way around the studio so well it really took a lot of pressure off me, trying to deal with getting sounds or worrying about things going correctly, so Walter really handled everything great.

RW- So you would know their side of the story being artists?

WB- Absolutely, it's kind of nice if you only have two days in the studio and you're trying to perform some fairly sophisticated music. The best thing a producer in that circumstance can do is create a situation where the musicians can just think about playing and not have to worry too much about the machines a so on.

RW- What first impressed you with LeeAnn's playing?

WB- Well, I think that LeeAnn's playing has a very interesting harmonic dimension to what LeeAnn is writing and playing. And the other thing I noticed about LeeAnn's stuff that she did on this record is that it defies categorization. It has a lot of elements that would naturally place it you would think in different musical styles. But it really has a lot of integrity on its own.

RW- Here's something from from LeeAnn's CD "You Wish" and this track is called "Robin's Row".

(Plays "Robin's Row).

RW- So it was fun working with Walter Becker, huh?

LL- It was the greatest really; I'm spoiled forever now. I don't know whether I'll ever do another record and that would be it.

RW- Michael Franks was over here yesterday and you did a great job on probably my favorite song of his, "Vincent's Ear". What a great tune.

WB- Yeah, that was my favorite, too. You know that's from a show that he's written about Gauguin that I hope he gets produced, 'cause its got some great music in it.

RW- And you actually had to talk him into recording it. He was going to throw it away?

WB- Well, no. He played it for me and I thought "This is great." They had already done all but three of the tunes on the album at the point where I got involved, so I figured "'Oh well, he's gonna have the three songs left that nobody else wanted to do. "

RW- And there was this gem.

WB- There was this jewel, so it worked out nicely.


Donald Fagen Interview

"Two Days Later"

Two days after Becker's interview on CD 101.9, Donald Fagen made an on-air appearance on WNEW-FM on the afternoon of October 26. WNEW was celebrating their 24th anniversary on the airwaves of New York at The Hard Rock Cafe. While the host of the broadcast party was the often-imitated radio personality Scott Muni, the interview was conducted by Pat St. John, the 10am-2pm D.J. who manages to play at least one Dan song per day on his show.

Scott Muni- We're live at the Hard Rock, it's our 24th birthday party.

Pat St.John- Welcome, Donald.

Donald Fagen- Big party in the daytime.

SM- Yeah, there's a lot of folks in here and there's a couple hundred thousand out there saying 'Man, I wish I could be at that party.'

PSJ- Well, that's why we're broadcasting. There's also a lot of folks listening to WNEW that have another reason to party because there's an album coming out with Donald Fagen and the New York Rock and Soul Revue. It's gonna be out on Tuesday and it looks like this (holding up the CD for all to see.)

DF- (Enthusiastically) Yay!

SM-
Tell 'em who's on it Donald.

DF- It's got me doing a few oldies on there- Steely Dan oldies—we've got Phoebe Snow, Boz Scaggs, who else is on there?

PSJ- Michael.

DF- Michael McDonald, what a guy. He used to be in the Steely Dan group for a while. He sings Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops." There's some great old soul music on there reinterpreted by these contemporary masters.

PSJ- Boy, is that the truth. You start off with "Madison Time," you bit all kinds of great tunes on there, it's a fantastic album.

DF- Oh, thanks a lot. It was done at the Beacon Theater live in March and we took the tracks from that concert. It has a real live sound and you can listen to it at home just like you're at a little concert hall.

PSJ- Is that coming out on video as well in the future?

DF- I don't believe so, no. Well, no one filmed it so it's impossible really.

PSJ- I wanna ask you about the show you put on the other night at the Lone Star Roadhouse 'cause you were joined by another special guest.

DF- Yeah, my partner Walter. He's in town, we're working on a solo album of mine, he's producing and so we did one of the Libby Titus shows at the Lone Star the other night. Kind of a jam, we had Cyndi Lauper, Rick Danko, Phoebe Snow…

PSJ- The Hooters…

DF-The Hooters, it was a smokin' show and, yeah, Walter came up and played some guitar. It was fun.

PSJ- Tell us, 'cause I know there are people who read the Steely Dan magazine, "Metal Leg," and everybody is so very interested because people have been waiting for the two of you to get together for so long and the fact that this is the first time you've really played in public in how many years?

DF- Oh, let's see, we actually played in a club a couple of years ago (The defunct "Hades", no Steely Dan tunes were performed), which no one would know about probably except the few people who were there, but essentially we haven't done a show for many, many years.

PSJ- So if you were there, it was a rare happening.

DF- Yeah, it was rare. I think it was actually medium rare.

PSJ- The last couple times I've talked to you, I've said it's been so long since your solo album came out that you're making us a little ticked off. But now you've got this album coming out and that's gonna soothe us a little bit and we won't be so mad at you. The thing is we're just so hungry for your music, because you've been such a master throughout the years.

DF- I'm kinda hungry, too, actually. Is there any food around here? Gimme some, what do you call 'em, those weird little potato chips that pass for french fries.

PSJ- We could get you a pig sandwich.

DF- Hey, now you're talking turkey.

PSJ- What's the deal on the solo album? I have to ask you because people are gonna be mad at me.

DF- It's being recorded partially here in New York and also at Walter's recording studio in Maui, Hawaii, and it should be out next year, the middle of the year sometime, 1992.

PSJ- In the meantime we've got this album on Giant Records. The album is supposed to be out next Tuesday, correct?

DF- In the stores on Tuesday, that's what they tell me.

PSJ- Scott, do you have anything we could play from that album? A little "Pretzel Logic?"

(Plays "Pretzel Logic" from the New York Rock and Soul Revue)

PSJ- That sounds great, Donald.

DF- This place is jumpin'.

PSJ- We thank you for coming by…

DF- And everyone here is so beautiful. How do you do that?

PSJ- It's better to look good than to feel good. You're at the keyboards on that one. I wanted to ask you if you ever came up with a name for that thing you play, like a keyboard which you carry around with you and kind of play with your mouth as well?

DF- Yeah, the original name was a melodica, it's a kind of harmonica with piano keys that you push instead of blowing the little holes. And melodica's kind of an awkward kind of name, so if anyone has a suggestion, just write into the station.

PSJ- Well, it's truly a treat to see you in concert. I saw you for the TV show (In Concert '91) over at The Academy, but a lot of it did not get on the air, it was edited down. So you do have some video of it, right?

DF- Yeah, we did a sort of mini Rock and Soul Revue to video that they were gonna use for some purpose, but it didn't come out that great, if you wanna know the truth, but we're trying to edit it down so people get some idea what the show is like.

PSJ- Let's talk about some of the shows that you've got planned, because the New York Rock and Soul Revue keeps an open format as far as people stopping by.

DF- That's true, but we have nothing really planned at the moment. We'd like to add some people, though, and we're supposed to be having a meeting next week.

PSJ- Next week you are playing at the Lone Star with Phoebe?

DF- That's a rumor.

PSJ- You heard it here. It may or may not be true.

DF- In fact, I have a new roomer at my house who's driving me crazy.

PSJ- Is that right?

DF- Just this guy who showed up who wanted a room, so I gave him a room. Now he's my roomer.

PSJ- It's very interesting to see you as you perform these shows because you've kind of turned into a bandleader of sorts. You're kind of at the helm behind the piano, in control of all these people

DF- Yeah, like Doc Severinson.

PSJ- It's cool, maybe you could take over when Johnny Carson steps down, do you think?

DF- Well, my model is really Steve Allen. It's the way he plays the piano and talks from the piano, cause the piano is kind of a crutch, which I need to actually carry on a conversation with the audience.

PSJ- You've stepped out of that with the melodica

DF- Yeah, but that's a teeny weeny little piano, though.

PSJ- Another thing that's on this album is a track from your other solo record.

DF- Right, it's from "The Nightfly" and the band plays it in a very similar way to the original record, except maybe a little faster and with a little bit more energy that you get from a live band.

PSJ- Since the album is not out yet, would anybody like to hear that, "Green Flower Street?" Hey, it's on the air, WNEW-FM.

(Plays "Green Flower Street" from the New York Rock and Soul Revue)

PSJ- New York Rock and Soul Revue, it's the brand new album by Donald Fagen who's put together this album and for the past year has been doing these great shows, you just kind of show up on the spur of the moment.

DF- Yeah, we just pop up somewhere. Somehow there's always a full set of amps there, I don't know who brings them there, but we start playing.

PSJ- Do you get a copy—I won't ask you if you subscribe—but do they send you a copy of "Metal Leg?"

DF- I occasionally see one. "Metal Leg" is a Steely Dan fan magazine put out by some very strange people. I don't know if they are strange, but they do put out this magazine, let me put it that way.

PSJ- Do you think it's strange that there's this incredible fan magazine that comes out all year long about a group that has really not existed for so many years?

DF- The amazing thing is that they kept it going for seven or eight years with no news whatsoever available to put in the magazine, at least now there IS a little news, so that's the most amazing thing about it.

PSJ- Well, you know it is pretty amazing because they manage to snap pictures and find stories and actually this is probably gonna be transcribed and printed in the next issue, the fact that you're here.

DF- That's true, because I notice that everywhere I play, these people show up. What can I say? I don't know whether to be flattered or run for my life.

PSJ- I think you should be flattered because it is done with love and…

DF- I'm just kidding. I'm on very good terms with them and they're great guys and the magazine's also very funny also.

PSJ- It's just one of those things, even the title itself is kind of a play on words, but we won't really get into that…

DF- Yeah.

PSJ- All over the world- I don't know how much traveling you do…

DF- I just go around the world constantly without stopping, perpetually…

PSJ- …are you surprised when people do come up to you, recognize you and tell you how much they love your music?

DF- Yeah, well, I guess it's usually in record stores as I'm signing the credit card slip.

PSJ- And then they just put it away. Have you ever gotten away with anything without them putting it through?

DF- (laughing) No, no, they always put it through.

PSJ- Always pays his bill, Donald Fagen. It's great for you to come by the Hard Rock Cafe.

DF- It's great to be here.

PSJ- …to help us celebrate our 24th anniversary.

DF- It's great—all the young people.

PSJ- How much of your solo record is completed?

DF- I've got six tracks, I need two more really to fill it out which are already written and they will be recorded very shortly.

PSJ- What inspires you to write songs? Because through the years if you go back and listen to your material—the solo material as well as the Steely Dan stuff—you get into some pretty interesting and heavy subjects at times and find incredible ways—at least to my mind—to express yourself.

DF- I guess especially during the '80s, for instance, I wasn't that inspired to write any songs. I think I had to wait for a while to see what happened really and how things were evolving and 'course by the end of the '80s, I got some ideas so I'm putting them into this record.

PSJ- Now that we're in the '90s, you're inspired again.

DF- Yeah, it's the challenge of the '90s. We're here to meet the challenge of the '90s.

PSJ- That's great, pound your fist on the table and tackle this sucker.

DF- Now we're talkin'.

PSJ- We were talking about what to play from this album and you picked out an oldie. We were gonna play one of your's and you said no, why don't we play somebody else's. What do you wanna play here?

DF- Yeah, we have some great people in the show so we should give them the chance to be heard. We have an old Memphis soul tune called "Knock On Wood." Everybody remembers it, it's still a big bar band favorite and here's a version by Mike McDonald and Phoebe Snow.

(Plays "Knock On Wood" from New York Rock and Soul Revue)

PSJ- That's excellent.

DF- Thank you. There's a lot of great stuff on there so it'll be out next Tuesday in your record stores.

PSJ- We wanna thank you, Donald Fagen, always a friend and a great part of the radio station throughout all the years.

DF- Thanks.

PSJ- And it is always a pleasure—I do Work Force Blocks every day—and you know, your music is one of the repeat offenders. I've always got requests for Donald Fagen and Steely Dan music and I'm always thrilled to play your music.

DF- Okay, well it's great to see you, Pat and happy anniversary.

PSJ- Thank you very much. Let's hear it for Donald Fagen, ladies and gentlemen.


Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed some other issues of classic Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm

And, of course, please note that Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at http://www.metalleg.com and his place Le Bar Bat is at http://www.lebarbat.com

 


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 15:59:18 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

*Cheers on hoops*





*hides behind larger Dandom member*


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 14:30:52 ET
Posted by: Bill, The Great Beyond

Jay,

Man I can't wait to find out how to play your CD on a record
player! I mean having to decipher all those ones and zeroes
was really putting the whammy to my listening experience.
And besides that, I was never too good at that binary addition
stuff.

Thanks so much for your research!

Your Pal,
Bill


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 14:04:15 ET
Posted by: hoops@dandom.com,

Clas:

I've gone several months without dropping a post without it being requested first by the poster. Most all of the posts I've ever dropped here have been by you, Clas, because they have no other purpose than to serve as assinine insults.



Clas, you most always come here to insult people. You know Clas, if weren't in a big measure for your shit, a lot of fans who post here, including myself, would be back at the SIS GB a long time ago. We're sick of your crap. Stay the hell away from us.

hoops


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 12:59:48 ET
Posted by: Me To, .....

Clas....Hoop's took down my post as well. All I said was "It sounds like "ear candy" to me.


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 12:16:41 ET
Posted by: Clas Lundkvist , Stockholm, Sweden

I was asking Graydon a question, and you are taking down my post Hoops, what's your problem?

Jay Graydon - are you still using those boring machines on your recordings?


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 10:57:52 ET
Posted by: A PIG, that walks like a man.....

Hey J ay! Sounds like "ear candy" to me!


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 10:39:43 ET
Posted by: Dave,

I didn't realize that Larry Carlton performs on Mike Post's theme from Hill Street Blues.

Dave


Date: Thurs, November 21, 2002, 09:11:43 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Whoa!! Jay Graydon?? Superb! I will definately check some of his stuff out.

*Thinks*

What are the chances of me writing to Jay for an autograph?


Regards

Jaco


PS Some really great posts recently, especially the long one, really interesting and well written!


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 16:07:59 ET
Posted by: µ, we gotta have some music on the new frontier

Thanks Jay - will check it out...the fix is in...


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 15:35:31 ET
Posted by: Kerstin, Sweden

BTW: Jay also has a new play-along book minus guitar with notations for the tunes on the BEBOP album. Released just the other week on Hal Leonard and available at for instance SheetMusicPlus.com

All best,

Kerstin


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 12:42:09 ET
Posted by: Speaking of Grammys,

Speaking of Grammys, Paul Simon has a new album due out in spring 2003. So >IF< a new Steely Dan album comes out in the next 10 months, it'll be a kind of rematch. And maybe Joni Mitchell will be there to cheer SD on again.


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 12:21:59 ET
Posted by: Jay Graydon,

For those of you who can partake in the Grammy nominations:

Dear friends,

Jay Graydon here. Grammy nomination time once again. My album entitled BEBOP has found its way into the nomination pile so here comes the political rap. If you vote for me, I Hollywood promise that within my next CD, even though it will be an instrumental album, the lyrics on all songs will offer a solution for world peace! Further, I will offer my secret of how to play a CD on a record player to each and every one of you! As you know, if you play a CD on a record player without using my patented discovery, all you hear are zeros and ones.

Kidding aside, my record company has a voting block of one unlike the majors that surely perform voting as a team. Note that if you have been nominated, I will surely vote for you. Please state your nominations in the fashion that I state mine below as to make it easy to find on the ballot.

Field 10 JAZZ
47. Jazz instrumental Solo (the voting number is) 062
48. Jazz instrumental Album (the voting number is) 064

Field 22 COMPOSING/ARRANGING
81. Instrumental Arrangement (the voting number is) 109

Field 23 PRODUCTION
87. Engineered Album (Non-Classical) (the voting number is) 023

If you care to hear samples of some of the songs on the BEBOP album, please go to http://www.jaygraydon.com

Yea, we are not supposed to help out friends but that has been happening from day one and will never stop. We need to stick together even if your product is with a major record company using the voting block. As independent voters, we have proven that we do make a difference — the best example is Steely Dan winning album of the year!

Thanks again for your kind support!!!

Later, Jay


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 11:32:09 ET
Posted by: hoops,

phew / yes:
Anyone and everyone who desires tags, hotlinks or corrections is welcome to them. As stated on the post entry form page, if you make a mistake or a typo and you wish it corrected, feel free to email me at hoops@dandom.com OR just simply followup with another post that says, "hoops, please fix the typo to this." I'll correct the typo and then delete the post that requests the change, so noone will know the better.

In this case, since your post raises the issue of tags and corrections being oipen to everyone, I have left your correction request up and then put a strikethrough the original typo, with the correction next to it.

Also, it's not lost on me that this place should ideally empower the poster to go back and make corrections, add tags (without screwing up the rest of the guestlist page), etc. That's something definitely to shoot for.

Tristan:
Regarding the suggestion/idea of a Dan cover band page, the creation of such a directory has crossed my mind, but including audio samples of the month had not. It's a good idea considering how many fans in the greater Dandom appreciate this Mock Steely Bands as they might be affectionately called. dandom.com has the capacity to do this. Let me bounce this off a couple of other parties who are also into this, as well as listen for additional input or ideas.

h


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 08:28:04 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Tristan: If I were the principal investor in the Pretzel Logic and Analysis, I'd recommend mucho layoffs.

Earl


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 08:22:48 ET
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, Chi

hey everyone,

sorry for the cryptic stuff from a few weeks back. I've had a few posts ready, but I haven't felt the need to publish them yet. Soon.

How about WebDrone putting the "Sign Up For the Steely Dan Newsletter" link on the front page? Ready for some news?


Date: Wed, November 20, 2002, 08:10:32 ET
Posted by: Howard,


Randy - thanks for the info on that Billy Bauer's CD. That definitely sounds interesting, must check it out.

It reminds me a little of some early Johnny "Guitar" Watson solos that I heard in a Zappa documentary. Zappa said that he drew a lot of inspiration from this music (he cited the "3 hours past midnight" solo in particular). I was struck with how the roots of Zappa's guitar style were very clear in the playing of JGW. It sounds like there's a similar effect with Billy Bauer and Denny Dias.

Tristan - I'm glad that whole Bruce thing is now resolved - but what a result your research came up with! Over the years, I've heard a rumour or two about that early Sign In Stranger demo and the alternative opening line. Amazing that you actually got to hear it - a "greater Brucedom" indeed. That lyric change is second only in Steely lyric mythology to the "forty years later" line that was used in early Chain Lightning demos, but dropped in the final version.

As for Walter's "Gaslighting Abbie" solo - I'd be interested to hear something from either Donald or Walter, to see if the inspiration for the one-note solo did really come from the lyrical theme, but it seems to make perfect sense to me. And, I have to disagree a little - although the solo does appear to "gaslight" the listener, it manages to do so in a musically interesting way, with Walter's usual pleasantly bluesy and dynamic phrasing. It treads a fine line - getting the "gaslighting" effect across, without becoming tedious. In my view, the solo succeeded in this.

Not sure about the West of Hollywood drums though, and the "deep into nothing special" lyric connection. I'll admit that WOH was my least favourite track from 2VN for a long time, due largely to the rather uninteresting drums. Gradually, the drum fatigue receded, and I can now listen to that track and enjoy it, and the drums don't bother me that much. I still don't quite see why the drums had to be that way though. An aural impression of implacable fate? To help the "Heart Of Darkness kind of thing going on there", the "apocalyptic quality" that Becker and Fagen talked about? Who knows...

... although a quick search brought this up (from http://www.steelydan.com/2vnjam.html):

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JAM!: Was it the same thing with the rhythm in "West Of Hollywood". It's fast, it's not really a dance rhythm.

Becker: It's certainly not a dance beat.

Fagen: Yeah, although we took some pains to achieve the groove on that.

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Not sure what to make of that, but there you go.

Howard


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 22:15:34 ET
Posted by: µ,

m.e. Fab! Way to unravel the pretzel logic

Speaking of which, jk - the eponymous Harrison is/was one of my faves! Wore out the tape a couple of years ago, and haven't seen a CD version. The melodies of the cuts I heard today on NPR from Brainwashed reminded me of some of those songs. Lynne sounds less heavy handed than on Cloud 9, which wasn't bad. He was on orders from Harrison, not to make it too "posh."


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 20:54:41 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA


P.S. To The Last Post:

Another purchase fans of Denny Dias should make is the rereleased CD version of Billy Bauer's 'Plectrist' (1956); Dias studied with the underrated Bauer in the late sixties, and this album was one of his only releases as a leader; it was remastered in 2000 and is an indispensable recording for fans of jazz guitar, as Bauer is truly one of the unheralded greats. The roots of Dias' style can be discerned in much of Bauer's phrasing; highly recommended-

Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 20:39:25 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA


Hampton Hawes 'Something Special' (1976) is an album that most certainly swings, and it's a solid entry in the Hawes catalog. It should be noted that Denny Dias' contribution is not given justice in the mix (at certain points he is all but inaudible), and he is given a minimum of "up front" time.

Being a fan of both Dias and Hawes, I purchased this disc years ago in the hopes of hearing Dias in a straight jazz context; in that regard it is a disappointment, although it is interesting to hear the caliber of (live) session that Dias agreed to be part of and was allowed to participate in; the album also awarded Dias the opportunity to work with one of jazz' greatest and most recorded bassists, Leroy Vinnegar. As a swinging jazz piano recording from Hawes, it's good stuff-

Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 20:13:34 ET
Posted by: yes, I know...

Should be "comforting". But then again I don't enjoy the privilege of a prior edit by the host. Excuuuuuuuuse me.


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 20:09:30 ET
Posted by: phew, conforting comforting

Someone needs a life badder than I do.


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 19:09:33 ET
Posted by: jk,

the new harrison is good but still not as good as the vastly underrated and out of print "George Harrison" from 1979. that one sports great catchy songs, great slide, and interesting guitar arrangements. just as good as atmp.
jk


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 18:57:46 ET
Posted by: Tristan Gustave Fabriani III, San Francisco

SUNDRY REPLIES, THE CONCLUSIONS OF PRETZEL LOGIC & ANALYSIS STAFF ABOUT A POSSIBLE “GREATER BRUCEDOM,” AND A HUMBLE CHRISTMAS GIFT SUGGESTION FOR AFICIONADOS OF DIAS THE BEBOPPER

With regard to exhortations, enquiries, entreaties and ever-so-slight nagging contained in the two fairly recent posts of the Anima ‘Jersey (Michelle, 10-29-02 – 19:54:09, 19:50:10): I certainly do appreciate your posts and will respond to each fully, leaving no stone unturned. I have serious reasons for taking so long between my posts, rather than responding to each post promptly as you suggest. It is not because I am in any way indifferent to yours or anyone else’s posts; rather, I like to carefully think matters through and stew on them for a while. The longer I stew on these subjects, the more things come to mind. You know the old adage: “It changed. It grew.” Moreover, the thread of posts that respond to mine are usually separated by a few weeks, and I prefer to deal with them collectively. From an even longer-term perspective, however, I am only now getting around to replying, under the seemingly innocuous suggestion regarding a Christmas present, to a post by Cosmic WoW from way back in May of this year. Older posts admittedly fade in the readership’s memory, but at least I conveniently cite the date of their posting for archival references.

Along with Earl (10-30-02 – 08:03:24) and Hats’n’Hooters (10-30-02 – 20:46:26) you opined that my posts are very lengthy, and you added that my writing is “a bit tedious.” I plead no lo contendere . Worse still for advocates of more frequent (tastes great) and concise (less filling) posts, I adhere to the Three Pretzel Logic & Analysis Principles of Life: (1) never refer to anyone by their real name if you can use a nickname, or to your own if you can use a pseudonym; (2) never reply in five words when you can use 15, or ideally, 25; and (3) never do anything simply when you can make it a big production out of it. I won’t rule out a concise and prompt post in the future, but consider it a highly unlikely prospect at best.

In reply to your “What’s My Line?” you surmise that I “sound like a male.” As Jerome would say: “Defin’lly.” For it is so. Am I affiliated in any way with Steely Dan? No, I’m just a Danfan of humble birth and the most rustic origins trying to realize the American Dream in the splendid Mediterranean climate of the City by the Bay. Am I connected with Skunk or Dinky or either of them in disguise? Neither, although I have corresponded a couple of times with the latter and would be equally thrilled to write to the former, but he doesn’t have either a website or a solo album; and I am too unlearned in computer wizardry to hack into the Pentagon computer system to uncover his Star Wars Missile Defense System super-secret-password in order to initiate a correspondence.

I first read about Dinky Dawson in Brian Sweet’s book. Assuming he was a UK resident, I discovered Dinky is a Bostonian after reading in The SD Digest an account about a Boston ‘Danfest on the y2k tour. A subsequent discovery of his website and the Rykodisc Label website revealed that Dinky planned to release on CD a soundboard recording from each of the groups for which he has mixed live concerts throughout his distinguished career, including the 1974 line-up of Steely Dan. I simply couldn’t believe my eyes and fired off an e-mail with inquiries on the status of the potential ‘Dansterly concert project from ‘74. Dinky kindly replied that the 7/1/74 Seattle concert is the one he plans to release if he receives permission to do so from D&W. I also ordered his book “Life on the Road” primarily because it had a chapter on the ‘Dan, but also to honor and support his good intention to release a concert from the Pretzel Logic tour.

A potentially new 1974 SD concert CD? Another book with a ‘Dansterly chapter? To each query I exclaimed, as we Californians are wont: “Eureka!” My advocacy of the release of this concert treasure and my repeated entreaties to the Fandom to join that praiseworthy bandwagon has no motive or reward beyond seeing a professionally produced 1974 concert gem “out there” for everyone to have, including yours truly. That Dawson has authored a book with a chapter on the ‘Dan I felt should also be called to the everyone’s attention. I naively thought everyone else would share my enthusiasm, and so I couldn’t wait to shout the news about Dinky from the cybernetic rooftops. I am aghast at not only the motives cynically attributed to me by some but also the appalling apathy expressed by others regarding the possible Seattle concert release and another book about the ‘Dan. While I am sorely tempted to write a great deal more about this matter, my intuition counsels me to place my scathe back in its scabbard and reserve any remonstrating for another time.

I certainly appreciated your concurrence earlier this year with my public Appeal to D&W to authorize the release of some 1974 concert material. In response to the second half of your October 29 post, I personally think D&W’s overdubbing of so many live solos from the ‘93 and ‘94 tours that went into the production of the Alive in America CD borders on The Unconscionable. I recall in an interview with D&W that Donald said there were only a few minor overdubs here and there on A.I.A. and that the album was otherwise a faithful reproduction of the live performances. Even Walter could not stomach this remark in silence and said: “Oh, come on, Donald, you can do better than that.” If Dinky is authorized to release the 1974 Seattle concert, I’ve no doubt that he would produce it with the greatest possible TLC and would have absolutely no part any studio-overdub-thrashing of a live concert for which he was the sound engineer, and especially of a live Steely Dan concert. He wrote to me that the “feeling of greatness” emanating from the stage of Seattle’s Paramount Theater on 7/1/74 was “overwhelming” and that “every note gave you goosebumps.” My hope has been that the Fandom would clamor so loudly for this release that D&W would have to at last give Dinky the nod. Never say die. Anything’s possible. Even with D&W.

Howard aka Bruce from Pommyland : I appreciate your clarification that it was actually a certain “Norm” who first posted the assertion that “everyone is named Bruce, whether they know it or not.” (9-18-02 – 16:08:37) Please accept my apology for incorrectly attributing that statement to you. Nevertheless, I see you fully share Norm’s view and asserted that in fact there were “many Bruce’s who posted that day.” (10-30-02 - 08:19:18) Therefore, I consider that you and Norm are of one mind and soul, even as you are both, of course, aka Bruce . To my staff here at Pretzel Logic & Analysis I duly forwarded the internet site that you so kindly identified, http://www.rraz.co.uk/alexs/Python/MontyPython3.htm, which greatly helped to clarify the origin of the claim that everyone is so named. It brought a prompt conclusion to the staff’s painstaking genealogical research. While the staff members are now engaged in researching other Steely Dan subjects—the fruits of which are revealed in the latter half of this post—I want to provide you an account of the momentous final moments of their analysis of the possible “Greater Brucedom” to which you, Norm, and Steevedan alluded back in September.

Shortly after reviewing your website reference on their computers, there was a murmuring and then a huge uproar heard among almost the entire staff. A veritable avalanche of interrogatives descended. “You’ve got to be kidding! Monty Python?? ” queried one, quite indignant. “We spent all this time tracing our family coats-of-arms based on a Monty Python sketch ??” said another, mightily annoyed. This grumpiness prevailed for some time. Another staffer, wishing perhaps to lighten the mood a bit, remarked: “Well, at least we can rest assured that we are not all named Bruce.” Then, just as the murmuring began to abate, PL&A’s chief financial advisor, Jacques de las Vegas, loudly proclaimed: “But there really is a place where everyone is named Bruce.” Silence instantly reigned in our main conference room. You could have heard pin drop. Momentarily, a hushed inquiry was whispered from stunned staffers: “Jacques, pray tell: where?? ” It seemed as though E.F. Hutton were about to speak as Jacques approached the podium and declared: “Mizar 5.” Anxious queries came in rapid succession: “How do you know that?” “Based on what?” “Where’s your proof?”

With arched eyebrows and the slyest of grins, Jacques’s gaze canvassed the room as he pulled from the lapel pocket of his bright Irish green suit a bootleg CD of some recently unearthed studio recording sessions from The Royal Scam. He had instantly downloaded them from Andy Metzger’s website where they had been posted for only a short while before the infamous Pit Bull Barristers of Steely Dan Legal discovered them and had them removed. Moving over to the conference room stereo system, Jacques queued up the CD. The motionless staff breathlessly awaited the first notes from this new gem. The first track was obviously an early, skeletal demo featuring Walter on bass guitar, Donald on piano and an unidentified drummer. It began with some very familiar introductory keyboard vamps followed by a delightfully crisp reggae beat. And then Donald began to croon: “Have you heard they’re all named Bruce in Mizar 5?”

With wide-open eyes and mouths a-gaping, the staff immediately shouted: “Halt the track! They’re all named Bruce in Mizar 5? Precisely what, or where the heck, is Mizar 5?” Jacques answered: “It’s the name of one of the outbacks ‘down under.’ Not far from Walkabout Creek, ‘mates. Residence in Mizar 5 is limited exclusively to recent British immigrants. The sign above the Residency Office where only pommies may apply just happens to invitingly read: ‘Won’t you sign in stranger?’” The staff exclaimed: “An amazing coincidence! Donald and Walter, just like Norm, Howard, and Steevedan, were obviously heavily influenced by this Monty Python sketch. Now we know the source of the original inspiration behind ‘Sign in Stranger,’ even though the lyrics were later given a, like, WoW, Cosmic sense by D&W as they developed and refined the song. Yo, Tristan, boss, can we have the day off and hoist a few in celebration?” In the context of such a whirlwind of thrilling discovery I simply couldn’t turn them down. I called up Lefty O’Doules and told the bartender to put on my tab the total for the potables and elixirs downed by PL&A staff. “Now go kick off your high-heeled sneakers,” I told the gleeful gang as they left the office “it’s party time.”

Howard (10-30-02 – 08:19:18): I have to add that your suggestion that there is a lyrical basis for understanding the “one note” guitar solo on "Gaslighting Abbie" was altogether fascinating. You infer, in other words, that the solo “gaslights” the listener. Very keen. Still, I would have preferred that the gaslighting had been limited to Abbie, with the guitar solo being delivered with greater deference to the no less important criterion of musicality and the quintessential funk groove of the tune. While RandyNightfly62 opines that "Gaslighting Abbie" really did not require an overly ostentatious solo, that was not what I am advocating. Rather, if one hears some of the more elaborate, though by no means ostentatious, in-the-pocket funk progressions what Walter played in the live solo on few times this phenomenal tune was featured on the y2k tour, one could not help but wonder why these didn’t make it to the studio version. You have nevertheless provided an important additional criterion for evaluating a solo. I’ll repeat what I wrote in my last post that it is interesting (and edifying) to learn of the various criteria by which ‘Danfans measure the success of a solo, track or album.

Hats’n’Hooters (10-30-02, 20:46:26): yes, yes, yes, indeed, the political postings on the Bluebook that I bellyached about in my last post hailed from around five months ago, but on the contrary, there were no sleeping dogs for me to have let slumber. Dan Akroyd’s September post defending “occasional” debates over national and international politics on a Steely Dan discussion forum kept those dogs awake and provided a means through which more of their yelping could “occasionally” re-enter the Bluebook. I felt Akroyd’s opinion needed refuting and so I reduced it to absurdity through a completely facetious suggestion to Hoops about possible “criteria” for Bluebook posts on “politics” with associated “links” to CNN. Hopefully, those political dogs are now fast asleep in the CNN kennel and henceforth will remain there.

RandyNightly62 (10-29-02, 20:56:35): you suggest that each album has a different instrumental accentuation and that progression or regression are not really at issue in the later albums (where, for example, there might be less complex rhythmic structures). While this viewpoint seems to differ slightly from your and Steevedan’s earlier notions that a progressive evolution is to be found in D&W’s work, I think it important to append some of Donald Fagen’s very own comments here. On a recent Digest, Fagen said of his and Walter’s parting of the ways after Gaucho: “We were under a lot of pressure to top Aja, which had been an enormous visible success. When I hear that record (Gaucho) now, I get the creeps.” After that, “it wasn't possible for us to go on. I thought Aja was our peak, and then Walter and I just went in different directions.”

Whether re-achieving the “peak” unavoidably implies mere “repetition” is perhaps a subject for another discussion. ‘Scam and Aja are definitely “peaks” but I don’t consider them repetitive in the least. As for repetition, you suggest that the strident drumming on "West of Hollywood" forces one to listen more intently to the sax and challenges the listener’s expectations. Hmmm. By contrast, I find that the limited drumming thoroughly handcuffs and hems in the sax work in a rhythmic straightjacket. This does indeed “challenge” my expectations insofar as it thoroughly frustrates them with regard to both instruments. The thrilling and extraordinarily complex rhythmic and harmonic interplay between Wayne Shorter’s sax and Steve Gadd’s drums on the title track of Aja accentuates, enhances and frees up each instrument, taking each to absolutely soaring, extraordinary heights, as does the dialogue between the unspeakably lush sax and aurally resplendent drums on "Caves of Altamira." Could it be said that the incredibly limited conversation between the sax and the entry-level surface-sounding drumming on "West of Hollywood," interpreted lyrically , is the perfect musical expression of a highway deep into nothing special?

Nevertheless, you are correct about the continually changing style of D&W—something also characteristic of the late Miles Davis who eschewed treading over his previous ground. Therefore, we may look forward to The Next One with all enthusiasm. Will the groove be stronger in D&W this time around with a “live” feel due to a lot of live playing in the studio as opposed to endless overdubbing and layering? We will all know soon enough.

Another Steely Dan song goes: “It’s the most wonderful time of the year…” Anyone having trouble thinking of gifts for the holidays for family, friends, co-workers, Danvention pen pals, etc? Well, the staff of Pretzel Logic & Analysis would like to make a humble holiday gift suggestion. But first, of course, the background. On May 24 of this year, Cosmic WoW, from the well-nigh lofty heights of WoWland, asked the following question: “What’s Denny Dias up to these days?” While PL&A staff are all ardent Skunkophiles, they also greatly admire Dias the Bebopper, and they were only too happy to undertake this research assignment once the “everyone is named Bruce” thing was cleared up.

Apart from the postings on the Bluebook this summer regarding an unreleased Denny Dias solo project of fairly current vintage that may be lurking in the wings (Cf. Dave 7-10-02 – 18:39:18; jk 7-10-02 – 14:46:09; hoops 7-10-02 – 11:46:27; Norm 7-10-02 – 03:00:13; Wendy Liu 7-9-02 – 21:18:23), it would otherwise seem that finding Denny playing in an officially-released non-Steely Dan context is somewhat akin to searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack. However, if one liberally defines the notion of “these days” to include a span of about three decades, that needle can be found, and, happily, the recording remains in print.

In one interview years ago, Walter Becker noted that Denny had always been “very loyal” to Steely Dan, and despite being asked by a considerable number of other groups to join them after the original Steely Dan ceased touring in the summer of 1974, Denny turned down every offer. Well, every offer except one, that is, and Walter made some cryptic reference to Denny’s predilection for the work of a jazz pianist Hampton Hawes. PL&A staff discovered that Hampton Hawes passed away in 1977. That left a period of three years during which Dias could have recorded with him after the original ‘Dan disbanded. In reviewing the catalogue of Hampton Hawes recordings from the period 1974-1977 on The AMG All Music Guide, PL&A staff happily discovered a CD entitled Something Special (Contemporary 14072). This featured a live Hampton Hawes Quartet concert in the summer of 1976 at a venue just a few miles down the coast from our posh corporate headquarters on the 14th floor of The Custerdome West here in those distant lights from across the Bay.

Here is an excerpt from the extensive liner notes: “The music heard here was recorded on a relaxed Sunday afternoon at Bach Dancing and Dynamite Society, a rambling beach house located a little north of Half Moon Bay, a thirty-five-or-so minute drive south from San Francisco to where Highway I gets serious, where Pete Douglas has been presenting Sunday afternoon jazz (and Friday night gourmet dinners-cum-classical recitals) since sometime in the early mid-Sixties. ‘Relaxed’ pretty much sums up the BD&DS spirit, and Sunday afternoons there take on the general configuration of a restful meander down the Coast, with music to match the rest of the feel. Hamp's best-known associate here is Leroy Vinnegar, the Indianapolis-born bassist who arrived in L.A. in the Fifties and began his continuing demonstration of what surefooted walking is all about, a frills- and fuss-free exemplar of what makes bass The Bottom Line. They're joined by guitarist Denny Diaz, familiar for his work on the first few Steely Dan albums, but as obviously at home in straight-ahead jazz surroundings as he was in pop/rock; and drummer Al Williams, who abandoned his career behind the traps to manage his Long Beach, California jazz club, Birdland West (the bad news is that the club closed the week these notes were written). This June 10, 1976 session, recorded less than a year before Hamp's death, came during a year of substantial recording activity with Joan Baez, in a series of duets with Charlie Haden, for Contemporary with Art Farmer, Art Pepper, and Ray Brown (On the Road, OJC-478) and for his own last album.” (emphasis mine)

Here is the review from the AMG All Music Guide: “This 1994 CD released for the first time a live set (recorded at Half Moon Bay, California) performed less than a year before pianist Hampton Hawes’ death. Hawes, in a quartet with guitarist Denny Dias, bassist Leroy Vinnegar and drummer Al Williams, dominates the music and displays his ability to uplift a couple of pop tunes (‘Sunny’ and ‘Fly Me to the Moon’). He also swings creatively through a blues, ‘St. Thomas’ and a pair of his originals. This excellent music gives no hints of Hawes’ upcoming demise. The tracks on this live date are: BD&DS Blues (Hawes) 7:37; Pablito (Hawes) 8:58; Sunny (Hebb) 9:19; Nice Meanderings (Hawes) 8:52; St. Thomas (Rollins) 5:00; Fly Me To The Moon (Howard) 9:13.”

This CD may be purchased from CDNOW.com for $14.49. See: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=334143599/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=HAWES*HAMPTON/ITEMID=125704. This website also features brief audio clips from each track.

As for other recordings featuring The Bebopper, there is one track that Dias played on much later with a group of studio musicians who recorded a CD in honor of the late drummer Jeff Porcaro, entitled Tribute to Jeff (Zebra 44005-2). This CD (unfortunately out-of-print) features Denny playing rhythm guitar on one track: a Milt Jackson tune entitled “Bag’s Groove”. (Incidentally, this CD also features a fine cover of “Babylon Sisters” with Bernard Purdie on drums, and another tune that borrows heavily from “Black Friday” called “E Minor Shuffle.” Danfans may wish to check out the following for the latter tunes: http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm).

Also, Denny Dias and Donald Fagen sat in with the band Toto during that group’s live concert tribute to the late Jeff Porcaro in December 1992. This concert was broadcast into the public domain on FM radio and the two Steely Dan tracks featured were "Chain Lightning" and "Josie." (See http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm) Donald Fagen was in awesome vocal form and Denny contributed some clean, bright and boppish guitar solos to both songs, although Steve Lukather’s stunning guitar playing on both tracks ultimately steals the show. (Based on these two thoroughly impressive tracks alone, D&W could be well-advised simply to tour with Toto as their backing band).

Lastly, Denny Dias also left his unique signature on several live concert performances during the modern Steely Dan tours whenever the ‘Dan played in L.A. and, depending on the tour year, variously invited Denny to sit in on “Bodhisattva,” “Teahouse on the Tracks,” “Do It Again,” and “FM”. It was more than clear from his inspired playing that The Bebopper still had the requisite ‘Dansterly chops.

Happy Christmas shoppin’ y’all.

Yours in Dandom,

Tristan Gustave Fabriani III, Esq.
CEO & El Supremo
Pretzel Logic & Analysis, Inc.
San Francisco

P.S. I have a proposal for consideration by The Bluebook Readership, but it is ultimately subject to a blessing from Hoops. I think this may be likely in view of this excerpt from a recent post from Hoops: “I'm always open to new ideas, especially ones that break new ground. It's appealing to think that any forum might be tweaked or implemented in such a way that we get more of the ‘good stuff.’” (11-01-02 – 13:35:06) Although the suggestion that I offer below is not related to the “chat room” that the above quote concerned, I think Hoops’ words are fully applicable. As a brief background to this suggestion, I would note that it is evident that several individuals with considerable musical education and talent contribute to The Bluebook. Some are even members of bands and even Steely Dan tribute bands. Some make the pedal steel soar; others scorch the Gibson and ‘Caster frets; while yet others tinkle the acoustic and electronic ivories.

Therefore, might the Bluebook acquire a separate “sound” section that features wav, MP3 or Real Player file of a Steely Dan track performed by one of these seminal bands that just happens to be represented by a contributor to the Blue? Surely there are extant soundboard recordings from gigs by Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied and/or the Steely Fan Band, etc. Why not have a fairly regular, though not overly frequent, posting of a standout performance from the most magical and memorable concert moments of these tribute bands for The Bluebook readership to savor? Perhaps there could be a “Bluebook Track of the Month” that is interpreted, respectively, by each band, resulting in several versions of the same tune that we can savor and compare. Of course, Hoops, that means that you would “get to” create a new category for the front page of Dandom.com for us to click on and then assume the onerous burdens of posting and managing the sound files. With all punsterliness, this Bluebook subsection could be entitled “The Bluenote.” I don’t know how much more of a workload that would create for you, but in any case we would defin’lly “get more of the ‘good stuff’” from those who pay tribute to the ‘Dan in sizzling concert performances (as distinct from loquacious posts). SharkD, Dennis, Steevedan, et. al., what say ye?


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 18:05:12 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Randy, the new Harrison album sounds cool. 15 years since the last Harrison album. That's almost as bad as Steely Dan.

I keep hearing how Jeff Lynne has supposedly overproduced it, although less so than previous albums. I wonder why Harrison entrusted it to him in the first place?

I always wanted them to make yet another Traveling Wilbury's album. Any chance the Traveling Wilburys' records will get re-released? The first one was a classic. Amazing it's been withdrawn from release. Damn the lawyers!

Dave


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 16:41:04 ET
Posted by: Michelle, Princeton Jct, NJ

Hi All!

Here's a double-whammy! Do you think that Marian Partland is on the new album?

Just a thought.

Mich


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 15:55:24 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA


Steely-folk:

For those who might be interested, the new/last George Harrison album, 'Brainwashed,' came out today; there's a "regular" CD version and a deluxe boxed edition that includes a second disc (DVD) on the making of the album, as well as a poster, guitar pick, etc.

Upon first listen, it's a typically understated album with some great lyrics, tasty slide guitar work, and an overall "upbeat" (and spiritual) perspective... A good one to (sadly) go out on.

Jeff Lynne's presence is obvious but his production style is largely kept in check by George (I'm not a fan of Lynne's production), at least more so than on 1987's 'Cloud Nine.'

First album I've bought on the day of release since 'Two Against Nature' in 2000-

Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 14:54:03 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

This morning on the Philly Smooth Jazz station, they highlighted the boys in their spotlight segment, and basically repeated the rumor that the new album will be out in the summer of next year.

Wow, so slowly more information is surfacing about studio hands they've been using on the new one. Never heard of Bill Charlap, but it would be interesting to know if Ted Baker is not recording this time around. Maybe they wanted a fresh ivory-tinkler.

Earl


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 14:52:20 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Great find Phan! No wonder Hoops hasn't interviewed Charlap. Two songs, eh?

Dave


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 14:37:52 ET
Posted by: another big phan,

check this out, AND read the first part: Bill Charlap?

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/abstract/204874941.html?did=204874941&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&PMID=33356&desc=AW,+SHUCKS,+ME?+Yes,+you,+Bill+Charlap,+esteemed+jazz+pianist


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 11:48:41 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At Work - we have power now

Bernard Purdie in the news - got to see him play with the Dammed:
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/1036587307185770.xml


Date: Tues, November 19, 2002, 06:42:10 ET
Posted by: The Cat, Barely Town

You don't have to thank us hoopsie.


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 17:12:46 ET
Posted by: h,

What's so marvelous about Oleander's "Fever Dreams" is that it's full of writings that inform and spur the imagination, rather than act as a FAQ that renders the songs finite in meaning and interpretation. For as long as the Digest has been around, fans have asked for FAQ. Oleander's site is much better than a FAQ.

I've really enjoyed the "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" thread—thanks Moray, et al.


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 17:04:04 ET
Posted by: sharkdeville,

For more discussion on "Turn That Heartbeat Over" and most every other Dan tune, go here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 16:16:01 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Thanks Brown Cow. Both this and last week's McPartland-on-Dan articles were great, although clearly this one was more in-depth.

Man, I am TIRED today.

h


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 15:54:19 ET
Posted by: How now,

Here's a better article with McPartland talking about the SD interview:

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2002/November/14/style/stories/07style.htm


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 12:19:11 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Happy Traum's Homespun Video's recorded and produced DF's Jazz-Rock Piano video back in the 90's

Earl


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 09:14:08 ET
Posted by: North of Hollywood,

Hey dan fans, oveer the weekend I heard a new record by Artie Traum (remembner Happy and Artie Traum from the '60s). His new CD is called South of Lafayette and it has a track on it called "In Paris" which is all about seeing Steely Dan in concert in Paris. Very cool, jazzy tune. Fagan likes him too, he's quoted on the www.artietraum.com Web site as being a fan. They're probably friends from the Woodstock, NY area


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 08:36:25 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Moray Eel: I like that interpretation a lot. I also subscribe to it being alcohol that he was asking for in "My poison's name, you know my brand". I suppose brand could mean type of drug (heroin, cocaine, etc), but brand usually refers to hard liquor, and a double usually means a double shot. Maybe "this highway runs from Paraguay" means he killed himself in an auto accident, since how often do you hear of a death simply from drinking too much?

It's very much like Charlie Freak in the way that a guy is given a 2nd chance (in Charlie Freak, he's given the money to start over in exchange for his ring) and pisses it away (embraced a spreading haze and died in 15 ways).

Another reflection regarding Heartbeat: When he says, "Please make mine a double, Sam" it's very difficult to determine whether he's reverting to old habits or if he's simply disenchanted with the world he has been returned to. Maybe in the afterlife of this story the characters forget how awful the world is, and in turn warn William Wright to be more careful. Maybe the narrator and WW both experience the feelings explained in "Any World" while on Earth, but soon forget when at the Pearly Gates.

Earl



Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 04:04:16 ET
Posted by: The Cat, Barely Town

Heroin/Paraguay? Don't think so.


Date: Mon, November 18, 2002, 01:31:35 ET
Posted by: moray eel, Hayden

It isn't specifically stated what is being doubled. It could be alcohol.

The protagonist tells us later in the verse that he has just made the trip on a "HIGHway" from Paraguay. In my opinion, it suggests a heroin or possible cocaine reference.

I'm not convinced that the particular drug is paramount. The character identifies the substance as a poison and then orders a double dose.

m.e.




Date: Sun, November 17, 2002, 23:21:28 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag., Marian on Sunday Night Football

I was watching the Pats-Raiders game tonight on ESPN. They cut to a quick local flavor shot at Yoshi's in Oakland. It looked like Marian McPartland up on stage playing at the club. Curiosity got the better of me so I looked up her tour schedule on Pollstar and sure enough she was playing Yoshi's tonight. It was too fast a shot to notice if Donald and Walter were sitting in the club.

Mark in Boston


Date: Sun, November 17, 2002, 23:11:07 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

*Agrees*


Date: Sun, November 17, 2002, 19:04:47 ET
Posted by: Dale, how dry I am

Moray eel,
I always thought that the line "So please make mine, a double Sam" was a reference to alcohol not (hard) drugs. A "double" as in a double shot of booze. While "Sam" is the bartender serving the drink ........"So please make mine, a double Sam". What's up?


Date: Sun, November 17, 2002, 02:26:43 ET
Posted by: Jaco, Who?

Argh, William Wright?? Is my age showing here??


And Moray Eel, tres bien, most insightful!


Regards


Jaco


Date: Sat, November 16, 2002, 23:35:24 ET
Posted by: Alex Jayne,

Moray Eel; That is great. I never caught all that. I am speechless. Thank you.

Alex


Date: Sat, November 16, 2002, 03:39:32 ET
Posted by: Jimmy, ...turn the light on

Hoops...Thanks for that DF interview.

Moral eel.... Fucking great!!!!!! Man, that was good!


Date: Sat, November 16, 2002, 00:40:03 ET
Posted by: moray eel,

Turn That Heartbeat Over Again

A guy robs a bar and it goes bad (stocking face,gun). He dies and goes to heaven/purgatory. He pleads with St. Michael and Jesus to reincarnate him (turn that heartbeat over again).

He promises that if they grant his request, he will live a good life the next time around (I'll keep my promise when...).

He knows the rules to living a good life:

1. Love your fellow man (Love your mama, love your brother...)

2. Avoid sinful pleasures. No more wild, "down and dirty" sex. From now on it should be with the lights off; no exposed flesh (keep your shirt on); and filled with tenderness and compassion (cry a jag on me).

They grant his wish and they reincarnate him.


He goes back to earth and gets into trouble again. This time he dies from a drug overdose (My poison's named, you know my brand. So please make mine a double, Sam).

He returns back to heaven/purgatory (and I've just come all the way).

There he meets the recently deceased William Wright (corpse), who now has the opportunity to be reincarnated. He warns to make the most of the chance and advises him to stay on the straight and narrow (not to cuss and drink all night).

William Wright doesn't listen. He makes the same mistakes as the protagonist (zombie see, zombie do) and blows his second chance.

William Wright dies (saw him laid to rest) and returns to heaven/purgatory (he's here with me and you).

m.e.








Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 23:21:56 ET
Posted by: Alex Jayne, Alderwood Manor, WA

Hi!

This is my first time posting, although I have been reading the Dandom Digest since about the time of the 94 tour.

I have a question. What do you think Turn That Heartbeat Over Again is all about?

Alex


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 21:19:19 ET
Posted by: Peg, Lookin' up

Hey, thanks Hoops for that SF Chronicle interview...great!

Someone recently brought up True Companion and as a songwriter bent on Latin jazz, I gotta note that (at least for me) I hear Latinish sound in that song. I have noted, too, that in Fagen's great "Latin" type tune, Goodbye Look, his melody in the "I know what happens, I read the book" -- really reminds me of One Note Samba, a classic Latin tune. Sometimes I wonder how much he's listened to such tunes....

Have a great weekend ya'all!


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 20:37:28 ET
Posted by: W1P, South down I-5

Newsflash: The Steely Damned November 27, 2002 at the Catamaran in San Diego.


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 17:50:21 ET
Posted by: h,

This following interview is not from Metal Leg, but it appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle on Sunday, June 4, 2000, just as the tour was hitting the US West Coast. I can't find it on the Internet anywhere and a lot fans seemingly have not seen it before. I remembered it as being interesting; as I started re-typing the author's introductory paragraph I starting thinking that this writer deosn't ask very questions, I should forget about it. But then I was taken with Fagen's answers, not so much by what he said but how he said it. I think that's what I like about this interview. Maybe you should not really pay attention to the author's questions and only read Fagen's answers. It seems like a great read that way.


Q & A With Steely Dan's Donald Fagen


by Aidin Vaziri
Special to the
Chronicle



Many reasons have been given for Donald Fagen, 52, and Walter Becker, 50, getting back together as Steely Dan nearly 20 years after releasing their last studio album, 1980's "Gaucho." But no one has hit on the obvious — where else are these guys going to get so much praise for for being dirty old men? On "Cousin Dupree," the first single from the duo's latest album, "Two Against Nature," they revel in intrafamilial love. In "Gaslighting Abbie," the main character schemes to murder his wife with the help of his mistress. Then there is "Janie Runaway," which makes their previous ode to underage lust, "Hey Nineteen," seem quaint. Never has the expression "lock up your daughters" been more appropriate. Steely Dan plays Tuesday at the Chronicle Pavilion in Concord and June 17 at Shoreline Amphitheatre in Moutain View. We spoke with Fagen by phone recently.

Q: How's your comeback going?
A: It's not bad. After 25 years of doing this, I noticed that after a record comes out or you're on TV, you get some street recognition for a couple of weeks or so, and it eventually trickles down to zero until you do something else

Q: Do you think not putting out a Steely Dan album for 20 years was a big waste of time?
A: Not really. I enjoyed doing my solo albums. I was compelled to do the, and I worked with Walter on the last one, so that led into doing this album. It was pretty natural.

Q: That sounds a bit extreme.
A: Well, chances are if we had done it any sooner the album wouldn't have come out as good. We had a lot of time to think about it.

Q: What did you do during all that time?
A: I don't think I ever went out in the '80s. Actually, the '80s was not my best decade. But the '90s were a lot of fun. It started out with my wife and I collaborating on a project called "New York Rock 'N" Soul Revue," we went on tour with that, and then I got involved with the Steely Dan stuff.

Q: Do you even remember what it was like the first time you were in Steely Dan?
A: To me it was sort of a blur. It seems like I was also was in the recording studio. I was an incredible workaholic. It's like I was so involved in what I was doing that it has dome negative effect on my personal life. But now I'm recuperated as far as that goes.

Q: How bad was it?
A: We were just obsessed. All we ever did was record.

Q: It doesn't really sound like you slacked off too much on "Two Against Nature."
A: Yeah, but we got to do it over a longer period of time. It was planned out better. I mean, it was intense while we were doing it, but we hadn't spent the last nine years doing the same thing, so it was fun.

Q: Are these songs all about you?
A: Um, I think it's pretty rare that they're autobiographical. I think each of our solo albums had more tunes you could call autobiographical. Even those are fictionalized. We write stories from observing people, observing ourselves and making stuff up. They seem right. They seem in tune in a way, but I don't think it's really us. I certainly wouldn't want to be the characters in some of these songs.

Q: Do you think your obsession with young girls is healthy?
A: Well, I don't think I am obsessed with young women, but I do appreciate younger women. I really enjoy spending time with kids. When you turn 50, I don't see why you're suddenly not allowed to take in any beauty. I don't get it. You know, it's like, you don't have to be a pedophile or something to appreciate beauty.

Q: What do you hear when you listen to your lyrics?
A: I don't really listen to them. The only times are when we have to remaster some old tapes or something. I get pretty uncomfortable listening to them for various reasons. I see them all as a series of mistakes and bad choices.

Q: How has getting older changed your life?
A: I have to say I like getting older. I was very uncomfortable and tortured as an adolescent. It really didn't get much better until I was in my 40s. I was very depressed a lot of the time. Now I feel much more even and not as guilty about everything. I'm also in better physical shape, because I never used to exercise and I used to smoke a lot.

Q: What do you think it is that keeps bringing you back to Walter?
A: I haven't worked with anyone else on that level, but since we go back to being teenagers, I think we have such a backlog of common knowledge and common language, it flows very easily. We have a lot of the same interests and it's a lot more fun. Walter is an extremely funny person.

Q: Who do you think takes the dominant role in your relationship?
A: I'm sure what our roles are. I think we switch roles on and off, depending on our moods.

Q: How do you guys get along after 30 years together?
A: When we're doing the album, I noticed we would stop going out to dinner and stuff like that because you can't stand that after seeing somebody all day. But now that the album's done, it's kind of fun to get together.


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:38:14 ET
Posted by: W1P, The Land of Pink

The fan base for Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead has a substantial overlap. In fact, in the early days of Which One's Pink?, it was the Deadheads (and fans of Cubensis) who kept us alive. Although I understand why there exists this overlap, I personally do not care for the Dead -- that's not to say that there aren't selection cuts that I enjoy. As of the legend of their live performances, all I can say is that I haven't had enough of a representative sample to really come to any conclusions. Both times I saw them their vocals were terrible.


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:33:49 ET
Posted by: h,

I think St Al posted while I was writing and posting mine. That said, I know St Al is both a Peter Gabriel and Dead fan, but in the past dicussions, it seems many Grabriel/Steely Dan fans are not Dead fans. I can see Grabriel fans connecting with Mickey Hart's expertise and talents with World music.

h


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:19:32 ET
Posted by: h,

I've told that story a few times, and let me say, I completely realize that not every Dan fan is a Dead head or could be inclined to be as such. Some fans are really apalled to hear that story of Dead and Dan, that the Dandom Digest came out of the Grateful Dead newsgroup. What is interesting is that there are also a number of Peter Gabriel fans who love Steely Dan. That's a connection I'm not so clear on but I understand both are artists who are quite intelligent in their work, where quality comes before popularity, just like Steely Dan.


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 15:08:35 ET
Posted by: StAl, Seattle/WA/USA

I wonder why we deaheads are compelled to start Steely Dan websites?

DeadDan: Last time I heard that (tired) joke I fell off my dinosaur...

StAl


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 14:22:26 ET
Posted by: Dead Dan,

...and the story goes that there were these two Deadheads who traveled around from city to city, and for one show they somehow missed their connection and had no dope, and after the first couple of songs, one says to the other, "Hey man, this band sucks!"


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 14:10:42 ET
Posted by: Mr.Sticks,

Hello One And All !

After you had your fill of turkey and family on thanksgiving day, stuff yourselves with a big helping of Steely Dan music!

Steely Fan Band will be making their monthly appearance at the Studio Cafe for a special Thanksgiving weekend Party!

Join us Friday night November 29,2002 at 8:30pm at the Studio Cafe in Newport Beach Ca.
100 Main Street.at the Balboa Pier and Ocean Front.
Admission is FREE!!

So come on out and party like the pilgrims!

Thanks,
Mr.Sticks
http://www.steelyfanband.net


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 13:35:20 ET
Posted by: W1P, East of Hollywood

I think Mike Keneally should be recruited by the Dan (1) for their underway studio project and (2) their touring band. The guy is capable of incredible restraint and unbelievable "over the top" soloing. Mike Keneally is music in the flesh. Pete, make this happen! ;-)


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 13:29:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Actually for more than I few years I traveled around following the Grateful Dead. While I had heard their recordings before I had ever seen them, I wasn't hooked until I attended my first show and associated lot scene (Thanks Sara and Kurt.). Definitely one of those bands you have to experience live before you "get it."

It should be pointed out that the Dandom Digest—and by indirect association the BlueBook—has its roots in the Grateful Dead Usenet group, rec.music.gdead. Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I regularly frequented there, and a subset of us Deadheads were huge Steely Dan fans. We'd be responsible for those Steely Dan threads sprinkled throughout that newsgroup and through various circumstances, it evolved into the Dandom Digest, then called the Steely Fan newsletter, steelydan@uiuc.edu, which was hosted by the University of Illinois at Urbana.

So why did a chunk of use Deadheads love the Dan? As someone pointed out, they are in some ways complete opposites. the Dead are first known for their shows; the Dan first for their recordings. Then the Dead are the hippies and the Dan are the anti-hippies. That's for starters. But where they come together is that both have their roots in "going against society's grain." They both have huge influences from jazz, blues and rock, although they take them in opposite directions. Both artists strive for perfection of sorts—the Dan, the perfect recording, the Dead, that ultimate live instant during a show. Both are hugely focused on the technical aspects of sonic quality. So before or after a Dead show at the parking lot scene, it wouldn't be uncommon to hear "Can't Buy a Thrill" or "Katy Lied" blaring from microbusses and like. At more than a few shows, a Steely Dan CD was played as the intermission music and "Kamakiriad" was the intermission music for much of the 1993 Grateful Dead summer tour. Maybe it's that the Dead and the Dan are such a part of the College experience. I know college is where my previous affection for Steely Dan reached a new level and it's also where I came to love the Dead.

All that said, I'm not so sure Fagen would be a great Jerry replacement. But I am clear that Walter—vocals and guitar--would be an ideal person to stand in Jerry's place, although not Jerry's shoes. Walter has a different voice that is nonetheless in same emotive spirit and of phrasing. Sure, Jerry and Walter play guitar differently but Walter goes for sparse notes that say a lot which somehow fits, although it's different from Jerry's rolling thunder. And, yes, I'd much rather see Walter up there as leading than Bob Weir, who seems, IMHO, to take himself too seriously in to thinking he's filling Jerry's shoes. (If anyone fills Jer's shoes, it's Phil Lesh in my book.)

In short, Steely Dan and the Grateful Dead are opposite sides of the coin.

h


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 10:39:23 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Randy: My point was more that if you were to ask the average Joe to name a member of the Grateful Dead other than Jerry Garcia, he'd probably shrug his shoulders. It's similar with Steely Dan in that most journalists have credited the Dan's music to Fagen simply because he was front man and because he had a notable solo career. Even though I wrote that Garcia was the Dead, I meant it more from a public perception standpoint. Although I'm not familiar with the Dead, I respect the fact that they were a band that were a cohesive unit. I just wanted to point out that I don't agree with replacing a key member of a band under that same name and going out and charging top dollar for tickets (let's see, Journey, Chicago, Styx, Fleetwood Mac to name a few who tried it at one point or another).

Earl


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 09:54:33 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA


Claiming that "Jerry Garcia WAS the Grateful Dead" is a disservice; the Grateful Dead are a "band" in the truest sense, with all members creatively contributing (especially live). Garcia was certainly the band's "guiding light" (for lack of a better term) and best known, most visible member, but he was one part of an aggregate of musicians.

At the same time, the band is due credit for working under another name ("The Other Ones") after Garcia's demise, suggesting that the loss dictates that things are not (and cannot be) the same, assuredly due to Jerry Garcia's invaluable contribution.

Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 08:59:50 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Jimmy: Isn't the whole point of the Grateful Dead that their fans were so stoned that it didn't matter who sang? You could walk Roseanne /Barr/Arnold out there and no one would know the difference.

Actually, in a way, The Grateful Dead were the anti-Steely Dan. The Dead made their living off of constant touring, while the Dan did it in the studio. I'm sure there are some common bonds between the two (drug lyrics???).

As far as Fagen subbing for Garcia, I have to take issue with bands who change their lineup just for the sake of making money. Garcia was the Dead. There were other personalities, but most people couldn't name any other members of the band other than Garcia. So to walk out a Garcia replacement under the name "The Grateful Dead" would be as bad as the dudes from "The Doors" doing that pitiful concert on VH1 with Weiland and others filling in for Morrison.

Earl


Date: Fri, November 15, 2002, 03:16:45 ET
Posted by: Jimmy Rizzo,

hi, first time poster here. hoops thanks for this forum as well as the digest. i love the "all steely dan talk" that goes on here. i also really enjoy all the metal leg stuff. are their many grateful dead fans here?
someone once said to me after jerry died that donald fagan would do a pretty good job replacing jerry on vocals. this kid was a huge deadhead. i could see it somewhat. he's got that higher pitched voice. phil lesh's voice is terrible imo. bob weir is not that bad, but jerry's was perfect for the music. i think they should bring donald fagan on stage for a show. it'd be cool. forget susan tedeschi, she's good for blues, but donald fagan could be interesting singing jerry tunes. anyone?


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 23:37:58 ET
Posted by: h,

Which do you you want next? Let me know.

The "Classic Metal Leg" series continues next week with transcriptions of radio interviews with Becker and Fagen, right after The Reunion. They are quite long and they really should appear together.

In the mean time, Email as to which would you would prefer: a set of brief stories on the various CD remasterings of Steely Dan's classic MCA recordings —or— an interview with Donald Fagen from June 2000 via the "San Francisco Herald-Examiner"?

Hey, this is fun, and really, don't thank me, this is great.

h


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 23:24:48 ET
Posted by:
hoops , another installment of "Classic Metal Leg"

[ The following is a follow-up to last week's classic Metal Leg outtakes about the New York Nights shows at Lone Star in Manhattan in late 1991. Last week's exciting story was about The Reunion—how Walter and Donald ended up on stage to play the first live Steely Dan songs since 1974.

This installment continues with how Pat Metheny ended up on stage during another NY Nights. As Donald always says, "Whatta night!" And I say, "Wish I was there. Glad some of you were." And Thanks, Pete!—hoops ]


And the NY Nights kept rolling. Although they didn't come every single Tuesday, when they happened, they happened. The nights always featured great artists. Some of the notable greats were: Annie Ross, the great jazz singer, Bob Dorough, noted for his vocal work with Miles Davis, Country artist Carolyn Doctorow, Little Jimmy Scott, whose new record is being produced by Tommy LiPuma, Joy Askew, keyboardist who has worked with Joe Jackson, Curtis Stigers, the new pop star who got his start singing Dan tunes at Wilson's restaurant on NYC's Upper West Side, actor Garu Busey, noted for "The Buddy Holly Story" and numerous motorcycle mishaps, Dion DiMucci from Dion and the Belmonts, who really got the place rockin', Joe Roccisano, of the Hoops McCann Band who did a new big band arrangement of "The Goodbye Look," Sam Butler, from The Gospel at Colonus and even Libby Titus joined in on the vocalizing.

There were also some interesting people in the audience: Julian Lennon, son of John Lennon, John Robinson, noted LA studio drummer, Steve Lillywhite, U2 producer, Matt Bahr, NY Giants kicker.

Joe Jackson, who was checking out the action for a possible "Nights" gig, had a temper tantrum when a waiter didn't recognize who he was. Jackson also seemed more interested in getting a drink than watching the show.

But one person in the audience who was totally impressed by what he saw was Pat Metheny. Metheny had taken a seat close to the Metal Leg publisher and editor. On this particular night, Jimmy Vivino was in California and Drew Zingg from NY Rock & Soul was substituting on guitar. Metheny turned to us and said, "This is the best guitar player I've seen in years," and also commented that Donald was "great to watch live."

Metheny was also checking out the proceedings to see if he thought he would fit in. Well, the next week, Metheny showed up again and was convinced by Jimmy Vivino and Donald Fagen to come up and play "Chain Lightning." Metheny did not want to play because he didn't have his own guitar. But Fagen wrote out a quick chart of the chords for Metheny and before you knew it, Pat Metheny was playing on this great song.

Metheny seemed to have a good time and we were hoping that we would see him again for a longer set. We were really excited about the prospects of seeing him do more with Fagen, but Metheny was extremely busy working at the Power Station on his new solo record which he had promised the record label several months ago. He was also spending 14 hours a day in the studio and it would be hard for him to do anything since it would require a break in his schedule to rehearse with Fagen and The Little Big Band.

But as things panned out, Metheny finally committed to a full night of music. On December 2 [1991], a NY Nights show occurred that would be as memorable as The Reunion. Metheny had made the rehearsals earlier in the day and this time he had his own guitars.

So what songs would he play? Several months earlier, Jimmy Vivino had talked to Donald about trying to do "Sign In Stranger." from The Royal Scam. Fagen said he thought they were being a little "ambitious."
Metheny came on stage earlier than expected. This was probably because the band had only rehearsed the song once earlier in the afternoon. Right before the show, they discussed how they were going to end the song, and so it seemed they wanted to get to it while everyone was still thinking about what they had to do.

So before they started the song, the horn section exited the stage, leaving Pat Metheny, Jimmy Vivino, Tom Barney (filling in for Harvey Brooks) on bass, backup singers Mindy Jostyn and Catherine Russell, and the drummer. And as Donald played the opening notes to this great song on the piano, the crowd exploded again. While Vivino took the opening guitar parts, Metheny could be heard in the background just warming up.

Then Jimmy made way for Pat as he took the solo in the middle of the song. It was so unbelievably great, that it became too hard to put into words because we were so taken in by Metheny's playing, that we found ourselves in another world.

Metheny was so focused and seemed to be giving it his all for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play a solo on a Steely Dan song. He started turning weird colors as he dived in deeper into the song, not coming up for air.

Metheny's style and trademark electric guitar sound mixed with the Steely Dan sound was a mystical and exotic combination. For a group that had explored many sounds, tonight's was another first.

Just as great was Metheny's playing at the end of "Josie" as Vivino again traded licks with Metheny as he did with Becker at The Reunion.

At the end of this NY Night, people spoke of this being the best show they've ever seen in their entire lives. We have to agree.

©1992 Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador. Reprinted here with kind permission.



Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan super fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed more than a few issues of classic Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm

And, as always, Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at
http://www.metalleg.com and his place Le Bar Bat is at http://www.lebarbat.com.


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 22:41:15 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Earl, I'd roughly agree with those categories, but there will, as you suggest, be occassional exceptions.


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 22:18:59 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Hehe yeah, I suppose. I think Becker's understated guitar would have supported Jaco's frantic 16note runs and harmonics....


...*sigh*


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 21:42:22 ET
Posted by: norm, Jaco

"...would have been a bit maverick" - that's a very diplomatic way of putting it! One of my dream line-ups would have put Jaco together with Frank Zappa and Vinnie Colaiuta in an improv power trio. But oh well...


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 19:19:35 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

That seems fair, Earl!


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 15:30:34 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Jaco: I consider it this simple: there are two styles in the Steely guitar solo repertoire: Jazz and Rock 'n Roll.

Jazz = Becker, Dias, and Khan
Rock 'N Roll = Baxter, Randall, Derringer, Carlton, Graydon, Parks

Knopfler falls somewhere in the middle, but he almost doesn't count because it would be generous to call the interlude to Time Out of Mind a guitar solo.

So, on every tour, they've had two guitarists, one to recreate the parts originally done by the Jazz group (Becker), and one to play the RNR parts (Zingg, Wadenius, Krantz, and now Herington).

And to maybe clarify a bit, I'm not saying that Carlton is a Rock and Roll guitarist, because he's a great jazz guitarist. It's just that when he soloed for SD, his sound tended to be distorted and seemed to fit a more rock and roll utility than the solos that WB and Denny Dias played. It's sort of the same with the rest of the guys I listed as RNRers, except for Baxter. Skunk was pretty much the odd man out, and although he was an integral part of the early Dan, he fit in much better over in the pre-McDonald Doobies.

I'm sure someone will beg to differ...

Earl




Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 14:50:24 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

I know your filthy mind: Fair enough, it happens often. And yes, I am a huge Jaco Pastorius fan! I would have loved to see the boys use him in their songs, but I suppose he would have been a bit maverick for D+W.

Boston Rag: Yeah, didnt Fagen have a throat infection? On their return to the US, he looked so gaunt that he was strip searched on suspicion of being a druggie! And that's interesting about Soft Machine too, thanks.

Hoops: Hi there, I've read so much about you, hehe, feels like I'm talking to a celebrity! I agree with you, I completely disagreed with John Etheridge - Becker wouldnt do that! I dont think Herington even outplays Becker, they are stylistically different players. I would say Herington is more of the Steely Dan old school such as Larry Carlton and Drew Zingg in his approach to those fast rampant solos, whereas Becker is much more restrained, bluesey and concerned with a laid back tone. [To my ears] And I wasnt saying Donald is a bolshie, nasty piece of work....saying that, I can hear his sneering tone criticising the band! I would love to meet him so much! He and Jaco are my altime heroes....with Billy Joel close behind! :D


Regards

Jaco


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 14:10:04 ET
Posted by: norm, soft machine

Daevid Allen, the original Softs guitarist (and later founder of Gong) knew William Burroughs, and so asked his permission to use that title for his band. Ya learn something new every day...!


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 12:40:04 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Mr. Ragg:
Didn't connect that about the name "Soft Machine."

Filthy:
What a perverted interpretation. It's delightful.

HowNow:
I think in every interview Joni's given in the past dozen or more years she says how ashamed she is to be part of the music industry and that she will never make another album. Then she makes another one. About the time "Both Sides Now" came out, the variation was that she was ashamed to be on Reprise since they dropped Rickie Lee Jones. She said something like, "I told them to drop me too or I will never record again." Don't get me wrong, I think she is pissed off for some good reasons, and she might one day make good on these threats and drop out of the recording rat race. But I don't think this is her "farewell album," despite what she says. When "Both Sides Now" came out, I think she said the plan was to eventually do three albums with an orchestra. The BSN version of "Case of You" is amazing. Diana Krall now covers it on her latest live album, although I haven't heard hers yet.

Howdy, Jaco. To add to Rag's comments, who knows how any person might react on a given day, or how someone would interpret that. That was over 25 years ago, so people change and so do their memories.

Regarding Walter's downplaying Jon on 2vN, Etheridge is entitled to his opinion but I can't see it. I can't see Walter Becker playing down someone's performance just to make himself look better. After reading all these interviews with Becker, it's clear the integrity and overall quality effect is what's he's after. Sure, the best performances or works of art work through healthy restraint and the collective effect, so maybe one player's performance might directed to contribute an overall effect rather than showcase one person's specific talents. But I can't Jon's performance being toned down to make Walter look good. (Hope I am not misinterpreting the point.)

Scott:
The San Jose Mercury News article on Marian McPartland is a treat. Great find.

Mr. Le Page:
I'll take "melodica" for 200 on the "True Companion" inquiry.

h


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 11:58:32 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

Jaco - Welcome to the Bluebook! You sound wise beyond your 18 years.
A further note to your story - The Soft Machine also took their band name from a William S. Burroughs reference.

Also, Donald was pretty sick on that tour. They pulled the plug because he couldn't go on. So maybe that was why he was crabby!

Cheers!

Mark in Boston


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 11:31:10 ET
Posted by: I know your filthy mind,

Sorry, Jaco. Since your email is i_am_melissa84@hotmail.com I thought you were a woman really named Melissa, who might be a Jaco Pastorious fan. Regardless, you made a funny. I liked it!

I also like the line, "the milk truck eased into my space" It brings to mind the 1950's bit about the housewife having the milkman visit for some daytime frolic while hubby is away. Then the baby grows up to look like the milkman. "Dad must be the milkman."

But my filthy mind can't help but think of the "milkman" parking his "truck" in this guy's "space" to deliver some "milk" or "cream," if you catch my drift. Maybe my mind is dirty than Steely Dan's.

Oh well.


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 08:38:22 ET
Posted by: How now,

So with Joni Mitchell now saying she's quitting the business after her new record comes out, because she hates record companies so much, I wonder if that spells disaster for the Joni tribute album that SD supposedly recorded "Carey" for? I would imagien that the record company needs her permission or at least cooperation to put this album out?


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 08:13:42 ET
Posted by: Jaco,

Quote _______________________________________________________

I know your filth mind posted:


Jaco writes- "To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years! " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! You go, girl!

_______________________________________________________________

I'm actually a guy......



.......................... :(

Yeah. Ah dear god.

Anyhoo, a few nights ago I went to see the guitarist John Etheridge [of The Soft Machine and Stephane Grapelli fame] at a bar in a trio setting in Scarborough, where I'm at uni. He put on a great show and I spoke to him at length afterwards.

We discussed his favourite artists and in particular guitarists. I asked if he liked Jeff "Skunk" Baxters playing. He said that he did, and that he saw Steely Dan in the UK in 1976 [I think] and managed to talk his way into their rehearsal at the Lyceum. He told me everyone was sitting around not doing anything until Fagen stood up, and drawled "Is anybody going to f*cking do anything and start this f*cking rehearsal?" Etheridge said he hadn't seen anyone as mean looking as Donald!

He also told me that on the 2vN DVD - I only have the VHS - Jon Herington's guitar sound is appalling.....and ventured the opinion that Walter Becker had deliberately mixed it like that as he was jealous of Jon's playing.

I scoffed at this......but still.......?


Regards


Jaco


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 07:56:32 ET
Posted by: Howard,


A few thoughts on the "live vs overdubbed" SD recording approach:

I think the "live" aspect has probably been overstated. My guess is that, in contrast to some of the previous albums, they would try to get as much of the basic tracking done live. In other words, drums, bass, main keyboard, perhaps guitar. Rather than recording loads of takes with many combinations of players, only to end up using a drum track and overdubbing the rest of the rhythm instruments, they probably want to catch a nice tight performance of the whole rhythm unit.

Remember, they will end up tweaking in ProTools so they can edit or shift snare beats and keyboard parts around a few microseconds here and there to get those extra nuances if they need.

BUT, I very much doubt vocals would be recorded live. They will be probably be doing alternate vocal takes, punches etc, then piecing it together in Pro Tools. I'd guess that quite a lot of the keyboard extras, guitar fills, percussion, solos etc will also be overdubbed, and it would only be the core rhythm tracks that would have been attempted as an ensemble.

Howard


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 06:23:15 ET
Posted by: I know your filthy Mind,

Jaco writes- "To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years! " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! You go, girl!

The suggestive and innuendo thread also has me laughing. I always like the double-meaning on "Fire In The Hole." Serving your country and serving a Mrs Robinson type. Razor-sharp witticism.

I also like how in "What a Shame About Me," the lyrics and phrasing are so well-done that it evokes for me the image of Frannie starting to undress a bit right then and there in the bookstore in front of this guy. Pretty powerful.

In light of this discussion, isn't it facinating that "I Got The News" wasn't discussed on the "Making of Aja" DVD???

As Fagen puts it, they just limbo under the line.

Looking forward to McPartland. I can hear her laughing at those two right now.


Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 05:02:44 ET
Posted by: Mark Reid, Berkshire

Hello Everyone!

A big shout out to all you UK Danfans out there. I was reading the newly remastered CDs and DF/WB spell it 'Danfans' and not 'Dan Fans.' Isn't that funny?

The posts here have been amazingly great. After Jaco's post, I thought I would chime in with my own. I think it could be Fagen's melodica, too. Jaco, keep the faith.

The rumours of a new Dan album have me all tingly. I guess it won't be long now, meaning only 1-2 two more years wait. (LOL) Mu, you're very smart, but I think you have been outdone.

Speaking of Marian McPartland, you know she's was born a Brit! I read that Becker's mother is British also. Does any of Walter's relatives live in Britain? I know Fagen's parents live in Cleveland. It seems Steely Dan has a special relationship with the UK.

So my favorite part of the McPartland interview was this.

I'm sorry to hear about Scruffy O'Shea's passing. I'm sure he lived a long and scruffy life. A moment of silence please.

`And in any case, we don't only have piano players. At the moment I'm trying to get Woody Allen,'' who is a respectable jazz clarinetist.

``We just had Steely Dan on,'' McPartland continues, referring to Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, the musical partners who formed the popular jazz-influenced 1970s rock group. ``I didn't realize that Donald Fagen is a fine pianist. He loves to play duets with me -- Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington tunes. They're so funny, the stories they tell. It's one of the best shows I've had.''

How about a CD of this!? They should put one out.

Mark




Date: Thurs, November 14, 2002, 02:37:18 ET
Posted by: Scott, Freehold, NJ

Mark! Thanks for the heads up on that McPartland story! Man, she sounds like a real fan of Steely Dan. Didn't someone here (Hoops?) mention that she once was a subscriber to Metal Leg? It's great that she's 84 years old and still so darn hip!


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 23:33:06 ET
Posted by: Friend of the Blue,

YO! Bluebookers!

If we are talking about the same thing, it's Fagen's melodica on TC.

The last official Steely Dan newsletter came out October 15. It was number 18.

Thanks for the quality, Hoops. It's contagious. Those others may not thank you, but we know.


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 23:21:49 ET
Posted by: Mark, Verona NJ

McPartland mentions Steely Dan at

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/4503686.htm


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 21:17:29 ET
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Outside the stadium

I was playing DF's "True Companion" recently and wondering about the opening theme. It sounds to me like the same instrument used by Earth, Wind & Fire called the kalimba. If so, then likely it is DF playing it, provided it is considered a "keyboard". The credits on "SD gold" says DF (piano & keyboards). Any thoughts?

J.LeP.


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 20:08:09 ET
Posted by: Jaco, UK

Hey there, I've only really run across this guestbook recently, and would like to extend my appreciation to all you learned DanFans out there, and to the guys who run it, and the Digest - Hoops in particular.

I'm fairly young by Dandom standards, I suspect - a mere eight and ten years. However, in my short life I have consumed all by the terrible twosome of Don and Walt, and regard myself as one of their biggest fans....at least among my age group! Indeed, I even had a Steely Dan Tribute band at one point...only played two gigs, but what gigs they were!

Well, my post runs short. I'm desperately looking forward to the new album, and hopefully a tour......I saw them in 2000 and it was the greatest night of my life! To be near to them, two slightly balding, middle aged guys.....well....I've never felt that way about other 50+ men in my eighteen years!

I hope I havent violated any guestbook regulations....I have enjoyed the previous posts, especially the talk about the rollerskater lyricism.

I do have a question; when was the most recent Official newsletter? I am signed up, but didnt receive one recently.....yet there was talk of one in the Digest. And there isnt one on the official site. Could someone enlighten me please, and, if possible, forward me the most recent one?

Kind regards

Jaco


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 18:38:17 ET
Posted by: W1P, Scruffy O'Shea's RIP!

norm -- LOL, Scruffy's was a LONG time ago! Our setlist has indeed expanded since those days but not as far back as you would like. Once we played Fat Old Sun at the HOB and it was greated with yawns and apathy. So we've pretty much stuck to the "Big 4" which is a shame. We have added Echoes to the list and it goes over very well. Sheep has always been on our list but we probably just didn't play it that night you see us. Astronomy Domine will probably never make it to the list (there's kind of an internal argument going on with one side wanting to add David Gilmour stuff from Momentary Lapse and Division Bell and the other wanting the Syd Barrett and pre-Dark Side stuff -- the solution (unacceptable in my view) has been to stay with the hits). Mike Keneally has recorded an outstanding version of Astronomy Domine and Tom Freund has recorded Fearless for our "Fair Forgery" record so at least we'll be releasing the tracks in that context.

It's true that the club crowds are older these days and I think that reflect's our generation's committment to music. However, it's still tough trying to book original bands in this town.

Stew is top drawer -- your recommendation is right on. See you soon, W1P


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 18:15:46 ET
Posted by: Michelle, NJ

Hi everyone.

All this recording tech has me lost, but thank you for filling us in. As I understand it, whats to say Donald and Walter wouldn't master the new album various ways? Then they could choose the one they liked best? "Oh Dear Don and Walter Claus, pick for me the one final CD that sounds best of all." Everyones arguing so passionate, it just shows how much we love Steely Dan!

I knew it was Joni Mitchell's b-day last week, but I didn't know: RICKY LEE JONES HAS THE SAME BIRTHDAY. JM = 59 and RLJ = 48 on Nov 8. That is something! But maybe I am the last to know.

I agree!!! Walter would be good singing Everything Little Thing You Did, Baby. Do you think Walter will sing on the next Steely Dan album?

Headin' home.

Mich



Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 17:04:32 ET
Posted by: angel, I wait all night for calls like these

Inside: Saw that coming days ago. A no brainer.


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 15:18:56 ET
Posted by: inside-out,

The Toy Specialist press release on the original site is gone.

Why it was NOT yanked: somebody wanted to keep the info hushed.

Why it WAS yanked: several serious factual errors

Any source who says different is probably just trying to cover his ass.

Thought some of you might be interested


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 13:21:09 ET
Posted by: norm, re: TNP

W1P - I saw you guys several years ago at (I think) Scruffy O'Shea's. A friend of mine brought me along, and although you guys were good, we were expecting more older material - which was purely our own issue, nothing against what you did play. I mean, here we are, a couple of old codgers, expecting Astronomy Domine and Fearless and Saucerful Of Secrets. That stuff would go over well if we were throwing a private party or something, but I imagine the club crowds prefer hearing what they already know (the 1973-1979 material). But if you haven't added Sheep to your set, you oughta.

Yeah, there's plenty of us keeping live music going in L.A. What's cool is that instead of the crowd being in their teens or early 20's, most of the people I see in the audiences are well into their 30's and 40's. By that age, most people are past caring about the latest media darling, and just check out what they like. Things are way more interesting and eclectic around here than they were 15 years ago, that's for sure.

Of course, most songwriters, while decent enough, still aren't on the level of someone like Stew. But as long as someone like him is encouraged to keep on, that's good enough. He's had the opportunity to tour with both Arthur Lee and Counting Crows, and he just did shows in LA and SF opening for Blondie, and the crowds usually love what he does. Again, I'd recommend Stew and The Negro Problem to anyone on this list, both for the quality of the material and for the overall sound. (http://www.negroproblem.com, natch.) I picked up his Sweetboot 2 at the gig last Saturday, and it was money well spent.


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 11:32:07 ET
Posted by: Scott, Freehold, NJ

Howard Stern was playing the alleged Osama Bin Laden audio tape that was in the news yesterday and his only point of reference was to compare his communication tactics to that of.......STEELY DAN. You know " the two guys who weren't really a band , but would never come out in public or say anything and suddenly there would be an album out . Remember AJA , no tour , no nothing.... just two guys in hiding."
I paraphrased a little bit here but only because I almost drove off the road when he made the comparison.

Now that the connection's been made, probably worth a note to the boys that Donald can stop practicing the vocalizing in Arabic for the next album, and the updated versions they were planning on " I Got the Al Jazeera News" and the"Caves of Afghanistan" are probably a bad idea.
Wouldn't want Tom Ridge spending his limited Homeland Security resources staking out River Sound.

Scott


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 09:57:39 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Monsieur B: Listen, I was taking the "blind man/elephant" approach to this. Granted, if this press release contains factual information, it's great news for us fans. The conclusion would then be that the company didn't ask D+W if they could release the info? (since it seems like they have been very tight-lipped about what's been happening/is going to happen w/r/t album and tour) My point was more from a spin-control type of thing, where it seems that personal opinion gets interjects more than objective information.

Hey, I want to have a new album out as much as anyone.

Man, maybe I will enjoy spring more after next year: new album (???)and 1st child (~ May).

Earl


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 09:32:57 ET
Posted by: monsieur b, the pressing plant

Funny stuff. It's not enough that a piece of information is replicated on many serious Internet sites like this, including MIX Magazine's own site, a venture recently associated with the Dan, and one having regular features on Elliot Scheiner's work, people would rather believe some unfounded propositions by any murky source out there either because it fits their weird, pathological willingness to crash the party or because they think this inside out might be Walter Becker minus the wit, or Roger Nichols sans time to expound.
Sure.
As far as I'm concerned, the piece speaks for itself.
Springtime release.
Summertime dates.
Be happy, pal. You're allowed.


Date: Wed, November 13, 2002, 08:56:14 ET
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

The addition of the insult "Toy Story" to inside-out's post makes me believe that 1) the person posting as inside-out has inside information, and 2) that "Toy Story" has become the insulting name they've taken to calling this firm in their little circle of engineer. It actually reminds me a lot of the comment that Roger Nichols was attributed as making in the Sweet book regarding Fagen starting Kamakiriad with other engineers. It was basically a dig at the engineers he used (one was a nephew of a former boss of mine). If I had the book w/ me, I'd cite the reference.

Anyway, inside-out is either a member of the team working on the project or an impersonator. Either way he is probably right...Mu doesn't know what's going on behind closed doors. It would not be out of the realm of possibility for a company (such as Toy Specialists, which sounds like it's trying to get feet in the door) to overstate it's contribution to a project.

And, as pure speculation to the live vs. overdub method of recording, D + W might just feel more confident with the fact this current rhythm section can rip off a good track w/o needing to rely on punching in. Or maybe they have become better at scribing their ideas so that their musicians have a better idea from the get-go about what they need to play. The interesting thing to observe will be if the vocals are also recorded "live", or if Fagen and/or Becker overdub the vocals. I think the vocals may be the only suspect thing in the live performances that I've watched. Not to mention the immense speculation that AIA vocals were overdubbed.

Until next time,

Earl


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 21:42:10 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Dang Internet was out over most of Chicago all day today. OUCH!

Thanks to all for the recording and mastering posts. Well, all I can say for sure is that there is a helluva lot in the recording and mastering process that I don't understand. But I do know one thing, can't wait for The Next One and everytime those Steely Dan CDs get remastered, they sound even better.

Regarding the request for a chatroom from a couple of weeks ago: thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I have an idea of what could be attempted differently but need to bounce it around.

Mr. Ragg:
Good to see you!


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 16:39:46 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

inside/outside:


1) Mu: Ok, so you're an engineer. But your post(s) make clear to me there is much in the recording process you do not understand. You make several incorrect assumptions about the way things "should" or "must" or "would" go. By the way, It's not that I don't //understand// your reasoning, its simply that I know it to be incorrect. Sorry.


Explain. Vague generalities don't impress me. Besides I gave D&W and myself plenty of weasel room, NOR did I claim to have exquisite detail of the state of the art recording process. There is considerable work to do once on ProTools, They could always re-record to do the D/Z somewhere else...but I'm repeating myself. Besides, there have previously been some elegant explanations of the D/A process on prioir to this on the Guestbooks (by Howard? sorry if my citation here is fuzzy I believe and others) and the Immortal in various venues.

It should be pointed out that D&W no longer have Irving Azoff to buffer them from AOL Time Warner Ted Turner Whatever. In the past ABC, MCA, and Warner have left hem alone, accoring to SDs own words. Considering, the state of record sales, who knows if this is the case


2) The Toy Story article was not an engineering report. It was a modified press release designed to tout various commercial enterprises.

I said: This is an engineering report, *and* ad in a sense

The audience would be engineers, technicians and musicans.


It greatly overstates TS's centrality to the project and was also factually false on several points.


Again, you must be more specific. Are they using other D/A transfers? Roger Nichols? another company? Is TS lying? That would be unusual to say the least for engineers whose jobs depend on reliablity, accuracy, reproducibility. By centrality you must be implying that other D/A transfers will lead to finished tracks What evidence do you have? - so far, you've presented none...your word? Certainly, you have not exhibted an educational tone...


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 10:07:54 ET
Posted by: inside-out, The Elephant Pen

1) Mu: Ok, so you're an engineer. But your post(s) make clear to me there is much in the recording process you do not understand. You make several incorrect assumptions about the way things "should" or "must" or "would" go. By the way, It's not that I don't //understand// your reasoning, its simply that I know it to be incorrect. Sorry.

2) The Toy Story article was not an engineering report. It was a modified press release designed to tout various commercial enterprises. It greatly overstates TS's centrality to the project and was also factually false on several points.


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 07:39:01 ET
Posted by: Howard,


(Repost from the yellow:)

Am I the only one totally gobsmacked by the news?

They're recording to 2 inch analog tape?!?!? And THEN they're converting to ProTools? That is more surprising to me than the news that the project is "complete".

They are, after all, recording with Roger Nichols, who is - how can I put it - fairly keen on the whole digital recording idea. Surprising, intriguing.

As for the authenticity or accuracy of the reports:

any news is very welcome, and full marks to mr B for catching that excellent snippet. But the bottom line is, until we hear from D+W that the project is done - mixed, mastered and complete - we should always treat these reports with a little caution.

For example, the article says that over a year ago "Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs". These were then transferred from 2" analog tape and converted to ProTools sessions on DASH tape. As I understand it, they have just done the same thing with another bunch of tracks. This in itself doesn't say anything about the finality of the project. They did this in 2001 with some tracks, they've done it recently with some more.

Also, the talk of mixing may just refer to mixes of individual tracks. We shouldn't necessarily conclude that the entire album has been mixed. And any mixes that have been done can, of course, be rejected and done again. Several times.

The only bit that indicates to me that the project may actually be near to completion is the quote:

"We've been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix"

Talking about "the 5.1 mix" hints that the whole album has indeed been mixed, and we're not talking about individual tracks mixes. Who knows, maybe the report is true and that mixing really has been finished for the album. Or maybe the guys quoted haven't properly understood what stage the recordings are actually at. Who knows? When there is substantial news at steelydan.com, that's the time to start celebrating!

Howard


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 01:50:48 ET
Posted by: Boston Raqg,

Here's hoping for a spring release with a summer shed tour! Although 'cautiously optimistic' is how I'm approaching Mu's latest scoop. I remember Donald and Walter saying last year they were going for a "live" sound with a set band playing with no overdubs and capturing the song on the first or second pass. So I don't doubt they have the songs completed and recorded. With the set band approach they won't be bringing in 47 different musicians and this would speed up one part of recording the new one.

I was at a great show at the Paradise last night to see Fountains of Wayne. I met Chris Collingwood out on Comm. Ave. before the show and he told me they had 17 songs in the can and they were in the process of sequencing and mastering them. Chris said the new FOW would not be out until March/April. So even though songs are complete, there's still a long way to go in post-production. Then you have to bring in the marketing an PR teams. So I don't see D&W having their CD ready any time soon.

Hoops, Sean & all thanks for the get well wishes. I'm feeling better everyday and should be 100% by Thanksgiving.

Mark in Boston


Date: Tues, November 12, 2002, 01:30:24 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

I/O: Let me make it simple. This is an engineering report, and ad in a sense, regarding the status of a critical stage of the recording process. It's not a report from AOL Time Warner Ted Turner Whatever or D&W on the status of the album release nor the finality of the product. How do I know it's an engineering report? I'm an engineer...remember next time re: Abraham Lincoln's saying about removing all doubt...You made it needlessly personal, consistent with signing anonymously...

We should also keep in mind that D&W have a secrecy thing regarding their recordings, and a history at being completely forthcoming on their own whims, which is fine by me.


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 23:52:26 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

inside-out: I think you've completely missed the logic. As I stated there is all kinds of monekying around that can be done. Schiener could screw around with ProTools for the next 9 years like it's the next Peter Gabriel project, if he wanted to. But getting the recordings into a final digital format is "complete" and that's not my quote. Finité. Done. That doesn't mean the final master, but that's the next step. It is illogical for Scheiner to got through the whole process again. IMHO, the likelihood that D&W might just scrap the abort the whole project, as they did in the mid 80s, is *infinitely* greater if they don't like this form than completely re-recording the tracks or spending another 14 months at another studio with equipment that would be less than the state of the art (the new new thing). Again, if they hold, add, or replace tracks, but then they would have to re-reserve time with Toy Specialists...and they haven't yet. Yeah, I can see Fagen listening over and over and over again for that one millisecond off. Walter's probably playing golf and thinking about the Windham Hills days.


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 22:41:38 ET
Posted by: inside-out,

Mu - you //sound// like you know what you're talking about...but you really don't. There are sequence and order and timing possibilities in recording and mixing and mastering that you apparently don't know about. The Toy Story article is just another blind man groping the elephant


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 20:54:41 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

Hoops:

There's a BIG difference relying on information from session players and getting information from digital audio engineering facilities for mixing. We all know from various stories and the Aja video, that session musicians were shuffled in and out faster than a JLo marriage. Plus, they tend to stretch the truth. Purdie claims to have played on every track since Katy and all of the Beatles' stuff.

On the other hand, for consistency, Eliiot Scheiner would want the final mixing to be in the same reproducible manner with the same technology. It's an integration or funneled site - engineers are tethered into reality as they or their instruments see it, and thus there's far more stock in that type of source. If this were IIToW II, they might mix additionally in Hawaii. However, I doubt it seriously for the follow-up to TvN. Thus, the Toy Specialists would have to be contracted again for time, facilities, etc. While there is no indication of that occuring yet, W&D COULD always contract happen for additional tracks. They could also decide that TS sux, and start or have started again. NO GUARANTEES that this is the final project The one dfear I have is that over 50 ears, and Fagen's obsession with canned rhythm, could cause them to revisit the tracks over and over again needlessly. One word: GAUCHO


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 19:20:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Dr.Mµ:
I hope this does indeed signal the pending release. That technical info is very interetsting. At the same time, The Charmer makes some good points. Steely Dan Newsletter #18 suggested we might see some twists between what the other sources say and what Becker/Fagen actually do, so maybe The Charmer is correct.

Dirk:
Good to hear from you. I swear I will get the Düsseldorf Danfest footage out there :-) Thanks for the Carlton link.

Beerberian:
Used to run "Vandom Digest" but Siegel in the Nederlands is doing a great job now. Fans on that list are a unpredictable, prickly bunch, just like Van. Yes, Pee Wee is great on "Days Like This" (the album), although I like Van's solo on the title track. Glad the Brian Kennedy parrot vocals are gone on his more recent studio albums. Hope he gets out of his suit by Linda Gayle Lewis or we may never see him in the States again, as I understand it.

Moray Eel:
Great facts.

Lucky:
Wish I could help, hope someone else does.

Peg: Thanks for the Joni update. Can't wait for the album.

Le Page:
I will dig some more about the Kama b-sides credits.

h


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 17:49:49 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

Charmer: What is described is a process that is performed at the very end of the recording and mixing sessions in making the master. However, Donald and Walter reserve the right, as often is the case. to re-record, trade in a new song, etc.. Unlike the Gaucho and Katy erasure fiascos, digital audio can be backed up empteen times with no generational loss. The 24 bit ProTools files and 5.1 mixing indicate, this baby would be ready for DVD-A simul-release...

We'll believe it when we hear it...


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 17:28:34 ET
Posted by: I'm a Real "Charmer", Brooklyn

Mµ. Tickled to here.....but then......

Don't get me wrong, info on a new album is a thrill we don't have to pay for. But then I must not get my hopes up. Wasn't "Gaucho" in the can for almost a year before it actually came out? The music industry gutters are littered with musicians and recording technicians who thought their sessions made a Steely Dan album, only to be later surprised by those jokesters we might call Donny and Walty.

Still, it would be swell to celebrate the third anniversary of the Steely Dan Newsletter with another similar communiqué this Thanksgiving weekend, saying their new project is coming any minute.

Go ahead, call me a real "Charmer", wink wink.


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 15:58:28 ET
Posted by: Dirk,

For a nice Larry Carlton Medley incl. Kid Charlemagne and Don't Take Me Alive please check out :

http://www.larrycarlton.net/lc_sounds.shtml


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 15:48:34 ET
Posted by: DrMµ, Earth to BlueBook

courtesy of Monsieur ß:


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New York October 14, 2002


New York based rental company, The Toy Specialists @ Scharff Weisberg recently supplied Presence Studios in Westport, Ct. with a package of outboard equipment. The equipment was used to complete Steely Dan?s (Warner Bros.) newest album produced by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen and mixed by Elliot Scheiner. The Toy Specialist?s format conversion facility, TransferMat, also worked on the project, converting the 2" analog masters to 24-Bit ProTools files for the mix and then to DASH tape for mastering.

The project is being recorded and mixed in Studio A on Presence?s Neve VR-Legend 60. "We?ve been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix," comments Presence Partner, Jon Russell. "They are among our most discriminating clients so when they request an esoteric piece of equipment, or when they need equipment of the highest caliber, I always got to The Toy Specialists because I know they?ll have it and that it will be in good shape."

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TransferMat?s involvement in the project began in the summer of 2001 when recording guru, Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs. The tracks were recorded on 2" analog tape at 15 IPS with Dolby SR. TransferMat transferred the songs into ProTools using Apogee AD-8000 converters to create 24-bit files. The ProTools sessions were then transferred to DASH tape, utilizing the Apogee UV22 dithering process to feed 16-bit signal to the DASH machine. Also, on several occasions, T.J. Doherty, who had been handling most of the overdubbing sessions on the project, brought in DASH reels to be cloned via DASH lock.

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Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 15:12:48 ET
Posted by: W1P, LA

Hi Norm -- W1P here. Stew and the Negro Problem are very much a part of the local LA scene that we have been attempting to nuture to great apathy over the past couple of years. The Internos Music Organization (which benefits local music education for kids) has released a benefit CD http://www.internosmusic.org that features Stew as well as Sally Semrad and Tom Freund (both of whom have contributed tracks to my soon to be released Pink Floyd tribute compilation "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"). There was a really funny interview with Stew in the recently deceased LA News Times where Stew talks about moving to the Valley and how it is filled with a species he didn't know existed -- angry white people! We have attempted to contribute to this scene with bands from the "Stanley Recordings" family of artists (and friends). These acts include Baby Lemonade, Arthur Lee & Love (which is now Baby Lemonade), Tom Freund, Yortoise, Sally Semrad, Courtney Fairchild, 50 Cent Haircut, Harvette, The Danny Allen Band, The Wild Colonials, North Green, Ira, Numira, Shaun Guerin, Mike Keneally, Honkystomp, Pi Gamma and Rat Bat Blue. I'm glad there are folks out there like you, Norm, who are paying attention to local/indie/unsigned music in LA. Maybe we'll catch you at a show? (This Thursday is a good one -- Sally Semrad, Yortoise, The Danny Allen Band and Mike Keneall at 14 Below in Santa Monica).


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 11:57:57 ET
Posted by: Beerberian ,

Hoops ; AND Pee Wee does some fine work on "Days like these" Too !!!


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 11:54:36 ET
Posted by: Beerberian - waxing his skis,

From www.jonherrington.com - "Jon's gig in New York City with his band on November 18th has unfortunately been cancelled. We shall update the site with any revised plans in due course"...... Obviously been pulled out of circulation for a pre xmas launch !!!!! I wish !!


Hoops; Never had you for a Van the Man supporter ..... Ref The healing game According to a Van list member, the person on the cover with Van is Van's master of ceremonies, Haji Ahkba, a former member of the James Brown Horns, and formerly known as George Dickinson.

Fave sax non SD Wesley McCoogan "Will You" Hazel O Connor


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 09:58:55 ET
Posted by: hoops, chi-town

I woke up in the middle of the night with this idea that if there is ever a New York Rock and Soul Revue again (or something like it), such a revue should feature someone like Boz Scaggs, etc, cover "Me and Mrs. Jones" made famous by Billy Paul. "Miss-us...Mrs. Jones, Mrs, Jones, Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones…we gotta thing going on…" or something like that.

"Everything You Did" covered by Walter? YES INDEEDY! I could see that. "Where did the bastard run?"

The lyrics thread is great. I think so many people—usually non-fans— forget that most of what is "offensive" about a Steely Dan lyric is simply how their own dirty mind interprets the lyric. I mean litterally, what's wrong with asking "Who has a friend named Melody. Who likes to try new things?"

And why did that lady find "Cousing Dupree" disturbing? Hey's it's overt but Janine basically tells Dupree to get lost which is pretty assertive for women. And although certain media types like to exploit that somehow it's naughty for a someone to get the hots for their cousin, I believe it's legal in several states. Why aren't they for tough legislation? Why are the topics of Steely Dan songs naughty but not so naughty when they are the topic of TV sitcoms?

Growl, growl, growl.

h


Date: Mon, November 11, 2002, 01:50:50 ET
Posted by: moray eel, I've Got The News

Spanish kissing is slang for cunnilingus. The name "spanish kissing"(using the tongue and lips on the female genitalia) is a variation on "french kissing"(using the tongue and lips on another orafice).

Our hero's efforts prove productive because..

(She)came raging
Love rampaging

Really, this song is one big sex-o-rama...

You're a screamer...
You know how to hustle...
I got the news...
Can't you see our love will grow?
Take it in your hand...
Slow down, I'll tell you when...
I may never walk again...

I think the term "rollerskater" was primarily west coast slang. Obviously, it is no longer in steady use, having given way to a thousand other names: BJ, hummer, Lewinsky, head, etc.

m.e.



Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 19:04:56 ET
Posted by: lucky, west virginia

i need the bass line to red clay....by freddie hubbard...i need it..like i know the chord changes...but i need the actual bass line, i'm clueless..


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 18:04:31 ET
Posted by: Peg, Cookin Cincy chili

Okay, I had guessed for a long time that the line "take me along when you slide on down" and following had to do with sex. But that it was related to roller skating? And you have that info about roller skating on good authority? Hmm...they put a picture of roller skaters in the 2VN Cd inserts, ya know....Well, I guess we little chix from Cincy are very very naive! Gonna haveto hide the inside of 2Vn now from any youngsters who might open it up and see those skaters! For Shame! :)

I finally figured out who my Number Two is: Stevie Wonder. Took me a while cause I like soo many folks.

I just read a review of Joni MItchell's new orchestrated version of herself that ripped it rather raw. Think the review was in Rolling Stone, so who knows, it might be great. By the way, the editor of Performing Songwriter said in her latest editorial that she quit subscribing to RS. I can figure out a few reasons why I would do so myself.

Finally, a question (after such ambling!): I have been looking to buy/listen to good (and currently recording -- not from yesteryear) Latin jazz. It can't be poppy or Sanata-ish. No Cuban stuff, please --It needs to be more Central America/Brazil/etc. Any suggestions from fellow Dan Fans will be greatly appreciated.


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 17:58:03 ET
Posted by: Lucie, opening the red door

Ewwwwwww...Now what a tittilating thread! Sexual slang and innuendo in Steely Dan songs! That said, let me offer the next proverbial bite.

"Spanish Kissin' /See it glisten" from "I Got The News."

Is it correct that "Spanish kissin" is sloppy wet oral sex and is a reference to certain sexual organs all glistening and lusciously moist? If so, any specific anatomical parts? Perhaps only a roller-skater would know for sure.

This is so educational. Leave it to Donald and Walter to fill us in on the facts of life. I'm already gaining a new appreciation!

Love,

L


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 17:10:37 ET
Posted by: Mr. LePage, Alone at last

My vote for the best sax solo is Doctor Wu.

Steve Bodohaski: The tenor sax player on Ruby Baby is Michael Brecker.

Question(s): Were the songs "Confide in Me" and "Big Noise New York" recorded by Fagen for the Kamakiriad sessions? And what about "Shanghai Confidential"? Was that tune in the movie "Bright Lights Big City", but just didn't make it onto the soundtrack album? If so, is that Georg Wadenius playing lead guitar?

John Le.P


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 16:06:11 ET
Posted by: moray eel,

A rollerskater is a girl that performs fellatio. The protagonist just found out that his girl practices this sexual act with her lover. He would like to receive the same treatment.

"Rollerskating" also "comes up" in Hey Nineteen.

Please take me along
When you slide on down
Nice...
Sure looks good
Umm... Umm... Umm
Skate a little lower now

m.e.


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 14:04:18 ET
Posted by: norm, Stew/TNP

Last night I saw L.A.'s own The Negro Problem at Spaceland. Great, as always. Their leader Stew tends to write really strong melodies that make the often acerbic lyrics go down easier, which is something I think Dan fans can appreciate. Plus, I consider him to be one of the best songwriters to come out of Los Angeles in the last forty years, which is saying a lot.

There are three albums out under the TNP name, plus a couple under Stew's name; all are worth getting, and there's not a bad song in the bunch. I turned Stevee onto a TNP comp recently, so I'm just wondering if anyone else here is familiar with their music.


Date: Sun, November 10, 2002, 00:44:32 ET
Posted by: Rollerskater,

In "Everything You Did," I don't understand the lines:

I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You gonna show me later

Is this clever somehow or are they just "dummy lyrics" that sounded fine and stuck?

A Walter vocals song on the next tour?


Date: Sat, November 09, 2002, 12:57:34 ET
Posted by: Mark Stewart, Canton, Georgia

Dear Hoops,

Thank you (and Pete Fogel) for the Metal Leg stories and the other reprints, I also never heard of these stories. How did the Littke Big Band get started? Does Jimmy Vivino appear on any Steely Dan or Fagen records? Didn't he play with Conan O'Brien at one point or on SNL? This is like a long lost chapter in the history of Steely Dan. I am envious of JK and the other posters who were there.

My favorite sax solo is West of Hollywood on the Two Against Nature DVD. I think it is cool that this is a first take by Chris Potter, in front of a live audience.

My favorite non-Steely Dan sax solo is Michael Brecker on Still Crazy After All These Years by Paul Simon. Paul is my second favorite. Have Paul Simon and Donald or Walter every worked together? Randy Brecker doesn't get as much attention as Michael but everyone likes his sax better.

I hope there is a tour in 2003.

I'll try and write more in the future.

Later,

Mark


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 22:05:33 ET
Posted by: John, Erie, Penn.

Speaking of Steve Martin, he's hosting the next Oscars. His humor is not the same as Steely Dan's, but it is in the same league.

I didn't know about all this Lone Star stuff. How come nobody talks about it? All news to me. Good news.

John


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 20:29:57 ET
Posted by: Sax + Violynz, BABYLONIA

How come no one's mentioned Blue Lou Marini's solo on Steve Martin's KING TUT!? One of the best novelty tunes ever!


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 20:23:51 ET
Posted by: hoops,

On my way into work today, I listened to a CD-R of 90s Van Morrison. Two amazing sax solos by Pee Wee Ellis: from the 1997 album "The Healing Game, " "Rough God Goes Riding" and the title track. Both gave me chills listening to them and I had to listen multiple times, as always. Van has this way of making huge gestures and bringing them to the edge without going completely over the top. "The Healing Game" is Coltrane meets gospel meets doo-whop. IMHO, one of Van's top five songs and both are amongst my favorite sax solos ever.

I like jk's explanation of Walter trying to take off his sweater. I couldn't picture Walter trying to hide behind a sweater.

What's with all the Greatest Hits compilations from boomer artists? The only new CD coming out is Joni Mitchell's followup to "Both Sides Now." According to an interview I read around the time of BSN's release, this will be the second of a triumvarate of orchestral albums. More orchestral arrangements of her classics. She's got that Billie Holiday thing going.

Steve:
You're right. Morell is in his mid-20s.

I'm not especially excited by the RRHoF inductees this year.

h


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 20:06:36 ET
Posted by: h, Response from ICE Magazine

Received a response from ICE Newsletter/ICE Magazine regarding the "Gaucho" DTS 5.1 release date for this past week:

Hi Jim,

I checked with DTS and the version of Gaucho you currently have is the same as the reissue. It looks like the 5.1 version wasn't available for a while. You can get more details at www.dtsEntertainment.com.

As for "m.d.," that simply stands for "music disc". It's included in the legend at the top of release dates, first page.

I hope that helps! Thanks for contacting us.

Dayna Cramer
ICE Magazine
New Release Editor
––––––––––––––––––––––––––

I did check the dts site and couldn't find anything indicating what might have changed,etc. It has been hard to find so I guess it was indeed out of production. Yet, after all those MCA CD master screw-ups in the late 80s and early 90s, you know why I am paranoid.

h


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 17:35:15 ET
Posted by: jk,

hey - i've been to a ton of concerts in my 67 years on the planet, but the fagen/becker reunion at the lonestar was one of the most electrifying experiences i ever had. (there was the night in the girls dorm in maine one summer…)

those 400 or so people screaming like they were being flayed alive seemed louder to me than a stadium full of people excited by the stones. it was transcendental! i think my feet actually left the ground.

was that the launch of steely dan II? it is very possible. thank you pete, jimmy, and libby. i'd kill to see more of those type shows in nyc.

2. no one seems to mention it but i remember quite clearly that becker had removed his sweater, was headed up to the stage and then turned around to put his sweater back on. had to look good - ya know.

3. i take exception to houps saying that ML is a more accurate account of the evening. i have known critic ohare for 2 score and more. he is incredibly adept at his job at a newspaper that is not based in the new york area. ML was and remains the bible, however.

ok - who has an "in" at the marian MP show.

digging people who wear big smiles,

jk


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 17:13:37 ET
Posted by: Dave,

What I get a big kick out of is how they talk about Fagen's album having a release date in 1992. Puts any news we might hear about the new project in perspective.

Lynryrd Skynyrd was one of those that did not get in to the Rock Hall of Fame. I think they would be a no-brainer to get in, even though I don't especially like them. Maybe they figure they have to reject somebody so they pick the one with the most dead people. That way they can't be pissed. But really, wouldn't it be classy to put them in right away, given all they have been through? How come no sympathy vote. Oh I know, since most of members are dead, THEY have no one to send them spicy mustard and Swedish Ginger Cookies. Seriously, very sad. Shame on the Hall and shame on me.

Pete Christleb for FM...Tops!

I know the song sucks, but the sax on Glenn Frey's The One You Love has always been a nice one to neck with chicks during.

Thanks for the accolades, Dave Fan. Or do you mean a different Dave and I am just being vain as usual???? Are you asking for more details of Dylan covering Warren Zevon? I'm just commenting on what Sir Hoops wrote about it. Wish I coulda been there though.

I'm for Blue Chat. We need a place where we can mix.

Dave


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 15:41:57 ET
Posted by: One who was there,

One additional note about that Oct.23/91 reunion show that was cool: When Walter finally climbed up on stage and was putting on the guitar, Donald introduced him to the crowd as "Gus Mahler". WB laughed. Maybe their only acknowledgment to the old days when they used to call themselves Tristan Fabriani and Gustav Mahler.

I still get the chills thinking about that night! There will never be anything quite like it, ever again.


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 13:23:56 ET
Posted by:
hoops,

Reunion Reviews

The same issue of Metal Leg also featured a couple of New York-area newspaper reviews of the October 23, 1991 Lone Star live performance reunion of Steely Dan. It's interesting to compare narrations, especially how Vivino is quoted in each of the three accounts. You can bet Metal Leg was hinging in every word and is the most accurate. Here are those two reviews.



Wayne Robbins, Newsday, Friday, October 25, 1991

Reelin' In a Brief Steely Dan Reunion

Becker and Fagen Share a Song Onstage

STEELY DAN FANS ARE CULTISH ENOUGH to be described as Deadheads in ties instead of tie-dye. But while the Grateful Dead is renowned as a touring band, Steely Dan's allure derives from its near pathological avoidance of the stage.

Beloved for it's melodically innovative, lyrically challenging, impeccably crafted recordings, Steely Dan had essentially stopped performing as a group in the early 1970s. And in 1980, Steely Dan partners Donald Fagen and Walter Becker parted ways. Since then, their individual output has not been prolific.

Becker lives in Hawaii and intermittently produces other artists. Fagen, who lives in New York, recorded his last album, "The Nightfly," nine years ago. He tests his notorious stage fright by performing with large ensembles of changing personnel under the rubric The New York Rock and Soul Revue. Wednesday night at the Lone Star Roadhouse in Manhattan, he was one of the expected performers on a new series hosted by his friend Libby Titus called New York Nights.

That Becker was in New York helping Fagen record a new album fueled speculation that the two might perform together at the Roadhouse-no small event, since the two are said to have been on a stage just once since the last Steely Dan concert 17 years ago.

The drama built as Jimmy Vivino's Little Big Band kicked off the show, in a club in which every available inch of space was filled an hour before showtime. Fagen, playing melodica, was a sideman for a while before taking center stage to sing the Steely Dan hit, "Green Earrings."

In keeping with the revue spirit, Phoebe Snow, another New York Rock and Soul regular, shook the room with a passionate, explosive version of the Memphis standard "I Can't Stand The Rain." Then it was Fagen's turn, delivering his own showstopper with Steely Dan's "Deacon Blues" chord changed that give you chills, death-wish lyrics that freeze your spine.

Rick Danko of The Band continued the mood of real music for real people, singing "Stage Fright," evoking images of a Joe Cocker with less gristle and more torment.

Finally, Vivino set up the evening's dramatic moment. "Does Walter Becker want to get on stage with us?" He asked.

The Dan-oids in the house shrieked, begged, implored. When Becker finally started walking to the stage, there was pandemonium, strangers giving each other high-fives and screaming "Yes! Yes!" as Fagen, Becker and the band launched into Steely Dan's "Josie."

The intense emotion of the moment overshadowed another meaningful reunion Wednesday night. Cyndi Lauper was next up on the bandstand singing her heart out on Otis Redding's "These Arms of Mine" and on "Money Changes Everything" from her triumphant debut album, "She's So Unusal" Lauper's career has floundered sine that 1983 recording, in no small part due to her estrangement from some of her co-musicians on the project, Eric Baziliand and Rob Hyman, who became the core of Hooters. (Hyman and Lauper wrote the now-standard "Time After Time.")

Hyman and Bazilian were on-stage, too, on Wednesday, lending both moral and musical support to Lauper's performance. Their rapprochement with Lauper, Fagen and Becker's reunion, gave the satisfying feeling that maybe you can go home again.


Kevin O'Hare, Union-News, Saturday, October 26, 1991

Steely Dan Reels In Years With Rare Live Show


NEW YORK-Steely Dan is back.

Briefly, perhaps, but long enough so that a stunned New York crowd could witness band co-founders Donald Fagen and Walter Becker's first live run through Steely Dan material in 17 years.

The event took place Wednesday night at the Lone Star Roadhouse on West 52nd Street in New York City. It had been billed in advance under the seemingly innocuous marquee of "Libby Titus Presents New York Nights." But for fans of the seminal '70s band, it turned into a trip into the musical stratosphere.

Similar in format to some of the New York Rock and Should Revue shows Fagen has been occasionally staging during the past year, the evening featured standout performances from several other stars.

The musical lineup included Phoebe Snow, Cyndi Lauper, The Band's Rick Danko, veteran bassist Harvey Brooks and members of Philly faves the Hooters.

But the night belonged to Becker and Fagen, the quirky, reclusive duo who took a sophisticated blend of beebop jazz, offbeat lyrics and incredible pop sensibilities to the top of the charts in the '70s.

A standing room crowd of about 400 caught Wednesday's first show. Many of them were Dan devotees who'd been tipped off to the possible reunion by a New Yorker named Pete Fogel who runs a Steely Dan fanzine called "Metal Leg."

Following a powerhouse opening by the 13-piece band, Fagen sheepishly made his way through the crowd to the back of the stage. He added some melodica (his instrument of choice these days) flourishes to the Motown gem "Can't Get Next To You," before taking stage center and launching into a sizzling version of Steely Dan's "Green Earrings."

Snow turned in vocal showcases on "I Can't Stand The Rain," and Creedence's "Long As I Can See the Light," and then came one of the night's musical treasures-a riveting take of "Deacon Blues," off of Steely Dan's "Aja." Fagen sang the song superbly, and the horn section built to an emotional crescendo.

It was shortly after this that Becker was seen, standing to the side of the audience and setting off a flurry of whispers among those in attendance.

At least part of the credit for the reunion goes to Fagen's current guitarist Jimmy Vivino, who played no small part in getting a seemingly hesitant Becker to take the stage.

After Danko's crisp, horn-thumping renditions of The Band's "Stage Fright," and "It Makes No Difference," Vivino grabbed the microphone.

"If Walter's out there, I'd love to invite him up," said Vivino, "just to play the solo, just to play the solo."

The crowd exploded.

After hemming and hawing a bit, the reluctant Becker took the stage to a standing ovation. He briefly embraced Fagen, strapped on his guitar and the band tore into the "Aja" gem "Josie."

Though Fagen and Becker have made a couple of rare joint appearances backing other musicians (including Stevie Wonder one early morning at the China Club a few years ago), this was the first time they'd been in public performing Steely Dan material since the summer of 1974.

Becker exited the stage after the song, but returned later in the set for Steely Dan's "Chain Lightning," and a fast and furious "Black Friday." He briefly cracked up after the air-tight ending, one of the few times he or Fagen broke a smile.

The show closed with a chaotic full company take of the frat house anthem "Wolly Booly," with Vivino, Snow and Lauper trading vocals. There was something supremely ironic seeing Becker and Fagen, two of the pop world's most elusive craftsmen, closing a night like this with "Wooly Booly." Sam the Sham would have loved it.

While the singers went wild up front, the two Steelys played it cool in the background. The stoic stage presence came as little surprise since the pair always were musicians much more than glamor boys. In fact, they look more like conservatively-attired chemistry professors than pop stars these days.

But don't count on the reunion to be a weekly deal. Becker is reportedly headed back to his home in Hawaii, and is likely to maintain his low-key lifestyle. He occasionally emerges to do some producing and is expected to play a key role in Fagen's long-anticipated second solo album, supposedly slated for 1992.

They may be forever uncomfortable with the limelight and the road, but it was obvious Wednesday that there's still a stage yearning burning deep down in each of them.

If anything, the show perhaps revived hope that these guys could someday make their way back for a full-blown Steely Dan tour. Nostalgia? No way. One listen to the Lone Star set showed Becker and Fagen are still light years ahead of their time.


Aside from these "first-time-on-the-Internet" reprints, Dan fan John Granatino has lovingly transcribed more than a few issues of classic Metal Leg: they are archived at http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/mlintro.htm

And, of course, Pete Fogel's Great Steely Dan website is at http://www.metalleg.com/ and his place Le Bar Bat is at http://www.lebarbat.com.

 


Date: Fri, November 08, 2002, 01:39:57 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

Steve: Michael Brecker


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 23:55:41 ET
Posted by: Lisa G, NJ

P.S. Thanks also, Hoops for the Phil Woods tour information. Too bad I'll be missing the Cape May Jazzfest, but the drummer in my band will be there. Hopefully, I'll get some of the skinny from this coming weekend when we next rehearse.


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 23:51:42 ET
Posted by: Lisa G, NJ

Greetings all!

Tristan GF3 has been keeping me abreast of his thoughts via e-mail and his latest missive has drawn me here, albeit after a very long time out of the loop. Anyway, I've skimmed through this Book in Blue and wow, what I have been missin.' It's also wonderful to "see" so many I've lost contact with. Permit me to shout out to a few old friends.

KD, how have you been, kiddo? It's been too long. Glad to see you're still onhoops.
Mu hard to believe it's been that long since that punk trio of blonds invaded the US with their tour before the album. Seems like "no time at ahh-ahh-all....." has past.
Howard, I missed you bro! Must pop on ovah to your site to see what's cookin' in the analysis dept.

The Metal Leg backflashes are a treat and quite a wonder to those of us relatively new to the greater Dandom. (I'm talking like 3 years, here.) Also frothing at the impending Metheny tale.

It's nice to drop in and see what's happening. Thanks, Hoops for your dedication to this and the newsletter. I will be lurking a bit more these days, methinks.

Hello to all in Blue!!!!!!!!

Thankful and Thoughtful,
Lisa G

(TGus3, watch your e-mail, dear.)


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 23:29:54 ET
Posted by: Steve Bodohaski, Memphis

Hi!

I was just enjoying last week's Dandom Digest. I came here to see if any one wrote about it. The George Wadenius and Justin Morrell interviews were memorable. I also wonder what Wadenius is up to. How old is Morrell? He sounds like he is about 25.

I was really pleased to see more stories here on this Guestbook. I hope this continues.

My second favorite is Billy Joel. I know he's not as deep as Steely Dan but I have liked his music since grade school. He is oh so New Yawk, you know?

My favorite sax solo is also Phil Wood's Dr Wu. I also like the sax on Ruby Baby. Who is that?

I'm hoping we hear more about the new Steely Dan project. I was hoping this one would go faster. I thought their engines might be still warmed up from Two Against Nature. Or maybe they would have partially done songs from Two Against Nature.

I have no way of affording a fancy DVD Audio system. Are there plans for a remastered CD audio version of The Nightfly? I noticed the preview pictures don't have the turquoise printing that is on the original LP version.

I guess that is it.


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 19:35:08 ET
Posted by: DrMµ,

Howard: I was thinking of the one that goes from whistly to scratchy one. Yes, there are at least 2 synth line concurrently - need a listen later...

25 years since My Aim is True and Outlandos d'Amour. Wow


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 18:55:41 ET
Posted by: Hoops,

Been checking out that "ICE Newsletter" item about "Gaucho DTS 5.1 M.D." coming out this past Tuesday. Have no idea. I emailed them. Hope they reply.

Nitey nite!

h


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 17:46:22 ET
Posted by: Todd,

After ten years, thank you Pete Fogel. You are the best.


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 16:05:48 ET
Posted by: Sean,

Been catching up.

First off, Jon, my number two choice is The Doobie Brothers since that is how I got to Steely Dan.

Favorite Sax solo? I'm in the Phil Woods camp with Dr. Wu. They should get Phil to go on tour with them, despite the apparently large Entourage he has. If he's in Cape May, can Cape Cod, or Boston, be far behind?

My guess is a Mini Disc version of Gaucho.

WHAT A KICK-ASS STORY ABOUT BECKER AND FAGEN AT LONE STAR INN! Ohmygod (!) You mean i have to WAIT for the Metheny installment? I can't believe Metheny came for the Steely Dan reunion. AWESOME!

Dylan should cover With A Gun.


Nice post, Howard.

Happy Birthday Big Fan! Kelly, I eagerly await your follow-up post.

GET WELL MARK!

Sean


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 15:47:22 ET
Posted by: Sean,

Forgot. Anyone know who was nominated but didn't get in? I guess this is more punk oriented than the past.

Sean


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 15:44:27 ET
Posted by: Sean, Wollaston

It seems like only yesterday that Steely Dan was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Here's the list of the 2003 inductees--AC/DC, The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, The Police and The Righteous Brothers. The Sidemen and Non-performer inductees will be named later.

http://www.rockhall.com/home/default.asp

Sean


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 15:24:40 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, Temecula,California

Hey,
It appears we will have to wait till xmas or just a bit before

http://www.jandr.com/JRMusicAlbumPage.process?RestartFlow=t&Merchant_Id=1&A_Id=R+++++7048&Artist_Description=FAGEN%2CDONALD&Title=NIGHTFLY

Hoops ...thanks

Ed


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 14:44:06 ET
Posted by: Steve Hacker, Dayton, OH

Hoops...I would have given my left nut to have been at that Lonestar show! At least I got to see the band in '94, '96 and 2000.

Best sax solo on a SD record? Drum roll please......

Pete Christleb on FM...no doubt!


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 13:25:18 ET
Posted by:
hoops,

Mark is probably too modest to want a lot of attention, but he deserves our good vibes. That said…

Best Wishes for a speedy recovery to Super Dan-Fan Mark Drinan who is recovering from recent heart surgery. Mark, along with Bill Griffin, organized the Danny™-award-winning Boston Rag Danfest in 2000 that featured a phenomenal afternoon with Dinky Dawson, of the 1970s tours fame. Through the decades, Mark and Bill have been known to climb every mountain and ford every stream to experience Steely Dan in each and every way possible. (Who could forget Bill racing around the East Coast in 2000, unsuccessfully making attempts to catch "West of Hollywood" live?) I'm sure all of our thoughts are with Mark, his lovely wife and their family, and of course, his Dan-pal Bill. Looking forward to Mark's posts again. I understand that Mark is not only looking forward to posting again , but to also co-hosting another Boston Rag Danfest.

As a form of inspiration, I thought we'd dedicate to Mark another one of those classic Metal Leg stories that is not yet out on the web. [ Folks, it's very nice of you but please, don't thank me for these—thank Pete Fogel and company for the great Metal Leg stuff. What a legacy! ]

I sure wasn't there when Walter and Donald performed Steely Dan tunes in front of an audience for the first time in nearly twenty years, but thanks to this amazing Metal Leg account, my pulse is racing just as if I were there.

The following is from Metal Leg Volume 5, No. 4 from April 1992:


Libby Titus Presents New York Nights and a Steely Dan Reunion

Libby Titus, the person responsible for starting the original NY Soul shows at the Lone Star in 1989 that set up the reemergence of Donald Fagen, and also serving as executive producer of the NY Rock & Soul Revue shows, hit another home run with her "New York Nights" series at the Lodestar Roadhouse in NYC in October '91 through January '92. Her showcases featured some of the best live music performances that Manhattan has seen in years from a diverse and eclectic group of rock, soul, jazz and blues artists.

The series which took the same format as the original NY Soul shows, allowed various artists to join Donald Fagen and Jimmy Vivino's Little Big Band in playing some of their own songs in a casual and low-key seating. The shows for the most part were filled to the house capacity of 500 people.

NY Nights started out with performances by Donald Fagen, Phoebe Snow, Rick Danko from The Band, Cyndi Lauper and a couple of guys from the Hooters (including the one with the accordion again). The shows featured a mix of the artists' hits and also some of the songs they just liked to play. The shows went smoothly and the audience loved seeing Fagen play the Dan tunes. Phoebe, as usual, knocked everyone out, Rick (I Feel No Pain) Danko gave his fans what they expected on stage, and also supplied a tour bus so the performers could disappear quickly at the end of the night.
While there was another NY Nights scheduled for October 23, there had been a lot of talk that Walter Becker would show up for the gig. Walter was in town promoting his Triloka productions as working on Donald's new album. Walter had played live with Donald at the defunct Upper East Side dive "Hades" over a year ago (ML 7/90 Issue), but they didn't play any Dan tunes. Anticipation was building for the possible Steely Dan reunion, even if it was only for a ten-minute jam.

As the week progressed, we found out that Walter was gonna be at the show, but he had absolutely no intentions of playing.

As the word about Becker's possible appearance was passed to insiders, the first show at the Lone Star sold out. As Tuesday night came, a line started forming at 4:30 p.m. for the 9:00 p.m. show. Anticipation was building early, but these die-hard fans didn't know that this reunion wasn't going to happen now. And we weren't going to tell them the bad news. They'd get to see Donald perform some Dan tunes anyway, so they shouldn't be that disappointed wen the night was over.

Although we will be reprinting a few reviews from the show later in this issue, we're gonna lay down the scoop on how the Steely Dan reunion that was never supposed to happen, spontaneously unfolded before our eyes.

As the band was setting up, Walter's guitar was not there. It now seemed that Walter wasn't bluffing. He really didn't want to play. Now the question we were asking was "Would Wally even show?"

Donald opened up with "Green Earrings" and while the audience, many of them seeing Fagen live for the first time, were getting into the song, others were doing 360s with their heads, whispering among themselves, "Where's Walter? Where's Walter?" He was nowhere to be seen.

As the next couple of songs were performed, word had it that Roger Nichols has been spotted in the club. Did this mean that Walter was here, too? Probably, but we still didn't see him.

Then as Fagen swung into "Deacon Blues." Becker was spotted in the balcony area. In fact, at the beginning of the song, a glass fell from the balcony and almost hit Ula Hedwig, a backup singer, in the head. But this didn't stop Becker from going downstairs to get a better view of what was going on.

As Walter made his way to the far right wall of the club about ten feet from the stage, the audience began to whisper, "Walter's here, Walter's here." But he didn't take the stage. After Phoebe did "I Can't Stand The Rain: and Rick did 'Stage Fright," Vivino took the microphone. "Is Walter out there?" Vivino asked. "We'd love you to come up, just to play the solo, just to play the solo." The crowd erupted like a volcano. Chants of "Walter! Walter!" rung out through the club. People were jumping, screaming, frothing at the mouth as they tried to persuade Walter to take to the stage. Walter's reaction was to shake his head no and then he pulled his sweater over his head to hide his face.

The crowd continued to beg, plead and implore Walter to join his partner and finally Walter relented, he started making his way to the stage. The screams got even louder. People were saying, "Yes! Yes!", "Oh, my God", and "I can't believe it!" They actually seemed stunned. This would be the first time Donald and Walter would have done a Steely Dan tune live together since July 1974. And as the opening chords to "Josie" started, it would also be the first time ever for them to do this song live, since they stopped touring long before "Aja" was released.

Fagen had been playing "Josie" since the Woodstock shows and had extended the song to include a lot of room for solos.

Becker, using one of Jimmy Vivino's spare guitars, treated the audience to the familiar guitar sound that most had only heard on record. Becker's playing seemed to flow effortlessly and all eyes, including the band's, were on Walter.

Even though there was a Steely Dan reunion taking place, you never would have been able to tell from Fagen and Becker. It seemed like just another night for Donald who didn't even pressure Becker to take the stage. He sang the song, and during Walter's blistering guitar solos, didn't glance over. There was no dramatics involved. They both just played it cool and just let the incredible music experience speak for itself.

After the extended drum solo that Fagen added for the live performance, Walter and Jimmy traded guitar licks to the end of the song. Time seemed to stand still as this was happening because you knew the song would be ending soon, but you wanted it to continue forever.

But the song finally did end and the crowd wanted more. Walter walked over to Fagen and they both exchanged some words and laughed. As Becker exited the stage to a thunderous standing ovation, Jimmy promised the crowd that Walter would be back later.

After another reunion of Cyndi Lauper with the Hooters, Walter did return and treated the audience with his guitar solos on "Chain Lightning" and end the show with another "Katy Lied" classic "Black Friday." And this wasn't the end of it yet, after the monstrous applause settled down, the band decided to do an encore of "one of the most complex songs we've ever rehearsed." So they ended this magic night with "Wooly Booly."

As the band made its way off the stage, you had to wonder if this would be the last time you'd ever see Donald and Walter sharing the stage and performing some Steely Dan tunes. We can only hope that someday all of you will get a chance to see these two guys live.

©1992 Pete Fogel and Bill Pascador. Reprinted here with kind permission.

[ Part II of this story continues with how Pat Metheny ended up on stage for an installment of NY Nights. That will be here another time. Can you wait? Will include a couple of press reviews of the above event in the next few days. Whatta night!—hoops ]


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 12:13:01 ET
Posted by: incognito,

phil woods - we were just talking about phil woods on the yellow pages, at least those of us not posting spam. dr. wu is the top dan sax solo, hands down. will have to catch phil on tour.


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 11:38:35 ET
Posted by: h, chicago

Received a reminder from the Jazz Showcase that Phil Woods is coming to Chicago the week after next—and of course he may be hitting your town in the near future as well.

For the week starting Tuesday, November 19, Phil's associate Bill Charlap and his trio will be playing at the Jazz Showcase, Grand and Clark. Phil Woods will be joining them for most all of those dates.

Phil Woods is, of course, the guy responsible for arguably the best Steely Dan sax solo ever (on "Dr. Wu").

Those of us who caught Phil Woods with Sphere at the Chicago Jazzfest last Labor Day weekend were amazed how rich and smooth Woods' sound is in person, just as on "Dr. Wu."

The following dates from http://www.philwoods.com—more URLs there. Hope he will be playing by you—be sure and catch 'im.

• Nov 9—Cape May (NJ) Jazzfest
• Nov 16—Easton (PA) Jazzfest
• Nov 19-24—with Bill Charlap Trio on most sets at Chicago's Jazz Showcase
• Nov 25-27—with Bill Charlap Trio on most sets at St. Paul's The Dakota

h


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 09:28:58 ET
Posted by: dave fan,

YES DAVE - you need to say more - much more!

now


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 07:45:22 ET
Posted by: Howard,

Paige: I think I know which bit you mean on Aja. There's a stream of clicky/percussive sounding notes, though with a distinct pitch, near the end of the outtro sequence. The phrase descends in pitch, and it comes kind of at the peak of the outtro build up, just before the drums settle into a final groove. Haven't got the CD to hand, but if I remember right the effect is doubled up in left and right speakers, and as the notes descend in pitch, they are panned across so left ends up right and right ends up left. Bit like a double aural rainbow?!?

Not sure what was used to get this sound, some kind of synth no doubt.

DrMµ: you're probably thinking of the airy, whistling kind of synth tone that comes in at the end, playing little fragments of melody. I think there might even be two of these as well?

That outtro sequence really is constructed so well, those extra synth touches work beautifully, supporting and adding points of interest without cluttering the sound. Leading up to the "rainbow" effect, there's a two-part synth line (in 3rds I think), slowly moving up that just helps build the tension. Great stuff.

Howard


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 07:25:39 ET
Posted by: Dr Livingstone, I presume., Barely Town

I'd say hats off for Cincinnati. I've been there.


Date: Thurs, November 07, 2002, 00:59:29 ET
Posted by: DrMµ, Tejas

Paige: That's Fagen noodling on a synthesizer - kind of a Moog-like effect...


Date: Wed, November 06, 2002, 22:11:20 ET
Posted by: Steve Hartman, Cleveland, Ohio

Hoops.

Thank you for the really great Digests especially lately. And hats off to Pete Fogel, the number one man of Steely Dandom. I just want to say keep it up. I am looking forward to more interviews of the old and new kind.

My second favorite is Neil Young. I think Donald and Walter don't like Neil since they make remarks about him now and then. Especially when Neil says he hates CD audio.

Steve


Date: Wed, November 06, 2002, 18:12:41 ET
Posted by: Paige, Santa Barbara

Okay....
Can anyone tell me what that sound is at the end of (outro) of Aja (title track)...It is electronic in sound...which almost sounds as if someone is "electronically" running their finger nail on the strings inside a piano.

-Paige


Date: Wed, November 06, 2002, 11:54:29 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, Tn

Toto covers Bodhisatva on their new album, also It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry.

Back in the Fall of '02.

Matt


Date: Wed, November 06, 2002, 10:47:27
Posted by: Little Wild One, Alone in the Political Wilderness

Hey all!

Great threads the last few weeks! Ed, glad you're back home....DC is worse than a jungle even with snipers in cages and a bunch of lame ducks hanging about.

To chime in on a second favorite artist, I guess Springsteen would have to be mine. "Born to Run" was kind of my coming of age theme song and I think I wore that vinyl out along with "Aja" back in the day. Billy Joel is a close third because I like the lyrical content of his stuff.

Funny, I always kind of connected Springsteen and Dylan in a way. Not sure why--maybe it't the vocal phrasing, or lack of it. As for a Dylan cover of SD song, the ones already mentioned would be the most likely, IMHO, but I wonder if that is because we identify fewer of the songs from CBAT with Faganesque-like vocals. How about "Pearl of the Quarter" or "With a Gun."

And, finally, am I better off than 2 years ago? Yeah, but only because I do bankruptcy work and business is booming.




Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 18:38:45
Posted by: hoops, in Chicago where you vote early and often.

Happy Birthday, Big Fan! Thanks for the links. I was pleased to see Donald's version of "Ruby Baby" was noted by this writer.

All I can say about Dylan covering Steely Dan is that whatever he'd cover, it'd be totally unpredicable. If pressed to name a song or two, I would see him doing "Josie" or "Jack of Speed," or best of all, something off "11 Tracks of Whack/" Dylan on "Junkie Girl" or "Book of Liars"— most definitely, I could hear him doing those last two. Dylan would do it really differently. But really, Dylan could whip most any well written song (all Steely Dan songs qualify) into something unique and memorable. "Fire In The Hole"? YES! "Barrytown," too.

Michelle:
I have no idea what the "MD" in front of the "Gaucho" DTS 5.1 release is supposed to mean. Didn't even know it was coming until you pointed it out.

I can't believe I didn't mention Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen in my list of second favorites. Cohen's "Ten New Songs" has been my favorite new album of the past year.

h


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 15:25:43
Posted by: The Greater Dandom, Everywhere

Big Fan;

After all the URLs you research and find for all of us, it's only fitting that there be a Steely Dan URL to wish you "Happy Birthday!"

Have a great one!

http://www.beatgreets.com/view.pd?i=122674040&m=4112&source=bg999


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 14:04:54
Posted by: Big Fan , Still at work

Happy Birthday to me!!!!!!

Ruby Baby covered again - now there's a song you don't hear too often unless you play the Nightfly. When will you be mine?

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/103631947834480.xml


I stopped at the grocery store Saturday after hunting - I walk in - they are playing a tune from Kama. Too weird.

Veteran saxophonist David Sanborn at Miami's refurbished Gusman. - Known for session work with SD:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4404929.htm

I had another link from the Ft Worth Texas paper, but our companies web software says it's banned because "General_News, Mature, Politics/Religion." Ouch.

Does anyone race BMX out there - my sanctioning body just got sold - you know like CART and Indy cars. I hope I don't loose my single digit plate number.

Hoops - thanks!!!!!


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 13:24:39
Posted by: How far he's come,

Heye didn't Dylan already do TIme Out of Mind??

I also think he would do a great job on Brooklyn


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 13:09:31
Posted by: Dave,

Very cool about Dylan covering those Zevon songs in concert.


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 12:43:57
Posted by: Michelle, Joisey

Hi!

Fall is the big new release season so people can buy lots of Xmas presents.

Lots of new releases today and in the future including

TODAY

Boston's "Coporate America" -I thought this band was gone

New Johnny Cash

New Eric Clapton

New Wallflowers-Jakob Dylan has a tough act to follow)

New Toto I think this what Steely Dan would sound like without Becker and Fagen. Amazing playing with dumb lyrics.

Also for you Hoops, Hans and Candy Dulfer have a Father-Daughter album coming later this month.

U2 Hits #2 today too. Not especially a fan, but I sure know all these. I don't even listen to radio and I know them.

HERE'S WHERE I AM CURIOUS!!!!!!
Icenewsletter.com has an entry of

5.1 M.D. Steely Dan Gaucho (5.1 Surround) (DTS)

How is this different from the previous DTS Gaucho. Does M.D. mean Mini Disc?

The new Peter Gabriel is coming out on SACD later this month. Didn't see Nightfly on the list.

This Dylan tributing Steely Dan thread is very possible. I know Dylan would do it entirely different from the way the Dan would. I doubt he would do Time Out of Mind. Major Dude or Dr Wu would be two covers by Dylan could see. Or maybe Monkey In Your Soul. Everyone's Gone to the Movies would be bizarre, if you ask me.

Gotta finish lunch!

Mich


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 12:28:23
Posted by: Don't you know..., there's fire in the hole

Bob Dylan? How about "Fire In The Hole"?? That would fit him well.


Date: Tues, November 05, 2002, 09:17:59
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Dylan's Dan covers? Right away "Barrytown" comes to mind. The way DF sings it, seems Dylan's vocal style would fit right in -- though the arrangement would have to be a bit darker to match the Dylan persona.


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 22:28:43
Posted by: Peg, Still wondering if Pluto is a planet or not

Okay, what if Dylan does "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Speed,"
and is followed onstage by Don & Walt, who sing "Daddy Don't Work on Maggie's Farm No More." Sortof a cover of each.


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 20:44:00
Posted by: Dave,

Hoops, excellent observation about Dylan covering Steely Dan.

Only A Fool Would Say That. I could see Dylan doing that. Slower arrangement though. Or maybe Any Major Dude Will Tell You.

Second favorite?? PAT METHENY. Need I say more?

Didn't Fagen want to join Dylan's band? I think it was right after Gaucho.


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 19:02:23
Posted by: hoops, sucky monday

I caught the Bob Dylan concert in Chicago Friday night. It was held at All-State Arena, the same venue Steely Dan played on the 2000 tour. I was in the stands to the south of the stage. My guest for the evening had never been to a Dylan show and was only casually familiar with his songs. So in advance, she bought his greatest hits CDs. Of course, Dylan completely mixes everything up at every show, rendering every song a new melodic experience, even of the lyrics are relatively true to his original versions. Needless to say, she was a bit confused by all this, I know I was thr first time I attended a Dylan show. Gotta wonder what Dan fans would think if Walter and Donald did that every show.

Dylan still has that amazing band of Garnier, Sexton, Campbell, and Kemper—the same band he's had for the last few times I have seen him. But the interesting twist was that Dylan played a Casio-type keyboard for a good chunk of the show. It was pretty cool, actually, and he was quite good playing it. One stand-out with Dylan on keyboard was "It's All Right Ma, I'm Only Bleeding." All I can wonder is if he will call up Donald Fagen next and ask if he can borrow one of his melodicas.

The show also included, "Things Have Changed" and three tracks from his last studio album, "Love and Theft," including "Bye and Bye," ""High-water" and "Summer Days." It's a great album—get it! "Lay Lady Lay" and "Masters of War" were two other classics which he gave unique spins. Dylan made a crack about some critic who complained about him "mumbling" instead of singing, saying we should "knock him out" if we see him.

But the suprise of the evening was his choice of covers. Given the talk about Warren Zevon and his appearance on Letterman last Wednesday, I was floored when Dylan played TWO *Warren Zevon* songs: "Accidentally Like a Martyr" and "Mutineer." He also covered Neil Young's "Old Man" and then went into the Rolling Stone's "Brown Sugar." It was unusual, even by Dylan standards. This made me wonder, what Steely Dan song could you see Bob Dylan covering in concert and how would Dylan mix it up?

Anyhow, it was a great show. Be sure to catch Bob when his "tour that never ends" come to your area.

h


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 15:22:37
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Getting back to the chatroom discussion, I am admittedly on the fence. The main reason (no offense meant to anyone who frequents the SIS chatroom) that I don't go to the SIS chatroom is that the chat there is very sophomoric. And to try to rationalize how that comment is not an insult is that every chat situation I've witnessed degrades to that level of conversation when the same people are engaged in the chat every day. It becomes dry and lacks a lot of substance.

I think it would be a great thing to have a room where an arranged time could be set aside where all of the board regulars get together to chitchat. Once a week? Once a month? I guess I've found that the people who chat every night tend to be the ones who are mainly interested in something other than the topic the room was founded on.

If there were going to be an organized Steely Dan chat on a semi-regular basis, I'd participate, especially if others (such as Hoops and company) were up for it.

And Howard, I finished reading that songbook. One of the only concerns I have about the book is that David Pearl kinda repackaged other books, added some good commentary, and published this book. There wasn't a whole lot of new thoughts on the music, just mainly some expansion of ideas depicted in other books. I was at the music store the other day and saw a similar book for solo guitar. I was looking through it, and it was basically all of the solo guitar parts from the SD songs they notated in "The Best Of Steely Dan" with added commentary. Rather disappointing in my mind.

The best thing about "The Art of Steely Dan" is Pearl giving his impression on what he felt Fagen and Beckear intended with the addition of different tempos, parts, sections, etc to the songs. He does a pretty good job of explaining the type of image an interlude evokes with respects to the context of the song it's augmenting.

Also got my hands on the relatively tough-to-come-by songbook for "Kamakiriad." Got it for only $20 at my local music shop. I'll have to keep my eye out for "The Nightfly" songbook next.

Earl


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 08:30:59
Posted by: rc, in the cold North

Hi Hoops,

I've been a reader of your wonderful Dandom Digest for (I think) 8 years now. First off, thanks for that - it's great to have a resource keeping you up to date on the important things!

Just thought I'd add to your comments/fears about the JVC XVSA75 not being able to read burnded DVD-Rs.

Worry no longer. I've owned this unit for over a year now and I've been burning DVD-Rs on my G4 the entire time. Every one has worked seemlessly in the JVC XVSA75.

VideoCD's, MP3 CDs, everything I've thrown at it, it's handled (haven't tried DVD-RW yet, though). Actually, this week, I'm trying fake it out (the JVC XVSA75) by creating a Dolby Digital (5 channel) track and burning it to a CD. I'm hoping to be able to test my 5.1 mixes without burning a DVD each time.

Gotta love the technology!

Once again, thanks Hoops for all your work. I know I sure appreciated it!

Rob


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 07:36:13
Posted by: Howard, more songbook discussion

Earl (et al): the "Art of Steely Dan" is an interesting songbook. As Earl already mentioned, it's a mix of transcriptions (usually song fragments), and commentary/analysis. It has sections on song structure, melody, harmony, drum grooves etc and the examples come from a mix of instruments: one or more of keyboard, guitar, bass, vocals, horns, drums. It has examples from many songs, from all albums, illustrating the points being discussed. Definitely will be more of interest to people into harmony/theory, rather than people who just want transcriptions of the songs. It also has a nice section discussing the lyrics and themes of the songs.

The transcriptions themselves are pretty good, though not perfect. Chords to Jack of Speed, Black Friday, Negative Girl have a few errors, and the bass line to Josie isn't quite right. Overall, accuracy is good - on a par with the better SD songbooks that have come out in recent years. I hope to add a review of it soon to my SD songbook review page (http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/songbooks.html).

Howard



Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 00:34:23
Posted by: DrMµ, far away from Florida

hmmmmmm...Baker, Bernhardt & Becker - a new law firm???


Date: Mon, November 04, 2002, 00:33:31
Posted by: DrMµ, far away from Flroida

hmmmmmm...Baker, Bernhardt & Becker - a new law firm???


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 23:19:59
Posted by: hoops, Really in Chicago

No, Cap'n, I'm not "Inqiring" nor "Intruding Mind."

To say the least, I think we're all eager for new news on The Next One, but no one should feel pressured into revealing any confidences either.

Glad you had a chance to connect, K.D.! Good on yer!

Been doing some "chatting" and have some ideas. Will post later this week.

Nite Nite.

h


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 17:17:42
Posted by: Capt. Midnight,

One more thing. Becker and Fagen could get a laff out of seeing what Baker and Berhardt THINK is happening with the new project, dontcha think???? So likely, what you would be revealing could be entertaining to Our Boyz! Let them revel in laughter!!! And then they would thank you.

Can't blame me for trying.


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 17:13:07
Posted by: Capt. Midnight,

I mean it Kelly. You're not being funny by withholding. Pretty please? :-) :-) :-)


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 17:08:13
Posted by: Capt. Midnight,

Inquiring Mind = The Hoopster?????

Kelly. About the new project. You teased us. Now you must tell or I will never sleep for a very long time. You will be responsible for my death behind the wheel caused by sleep deprivation and drinking Scotch Whiskey all night long. Can the news be that much of a killer? It won't turn me off from buying the new project. Do you think Entertainment Tonight reads what goes on here? I don't think so.

Speaking of projects, Hoops, you didn't mention that late producer and sound engineer Tom Dowd was also a key physicist in the Manhattan Project. And I'm not talking about the Manhattan Transfer or any other band. Yes, THAT Manhattan Project. Roger Nichols is also a physicist. Not on the Manhattan Project.

StAl doesn't pay for his chat room. Doesn't even run it from his server. Looks like cake to maintain, little effort required, except ignoring the advertisement. Hell, maybe I should volunteer to do it. Real-time discussion of the gems I've been reading here would be worthwhile. I'm not going to diss what goes on on the yellow. It fills a need. So do hookers, not necessarily that there's similarity. But everyone has their preference. This place has it's own vibe that is more conducive to Steely Study. I vote for a chat with this place. All the other good sites have a chat room. I'll make it if you guys want. Or if Hooper is so keen on being luvvy-duvvy with Patster, maybe he could lease StAl's chat from 1-4 am. It could be like Lester the Nightfly or that Spanish speaking station that takes over my favorite rerun station during the overnight hours.

So Kelly, how did you meet Baker and Bernhardt? I'm waiting. Come take my first born. Might as well. He's been a pain the ass today. Do tell!


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 15:48:58
Posted by: Inquiring Mind, Hell

Sooo... da Bears, they be losing again and, you know, we'll all sleep long enough once we dead.
Spill it, kid!


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 07:51:56
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, Chi

I met and talked to Ted Baker and Warren Bernhardt tonight.

I know stuff about 'the Next Project,' I just came home and it's 7am, so I don't know how much I should talk about.

Someone wrote:

"Chat rooms are pretty much standard fare on many fan sites these days. Just make one without all this discussion. If it gets used, fine. If not, so what?"

Uh, the 'chat room' would cost a solid chunk of money to the host, who is Hoops/Jim in this instance, to say nothing of the nuisance it is to keep chat freaks happy with maintenence and whatnot.

They do have 'phones' nowadays, good ways for people to keep in touch with each other in 'real time.'

Anyway, I'm full of gossip and news and I need to stop right now. Stop typing. Drink water and go to bed and try to see the Bears game tomorrow.


Date: Sun, November 03, 2002, 00:52:05
Posted by: John, Erie, PA

Not sure what all this fuss about doing a chat room is about. Chat rooms are pretty much standard fare on many fan sites these days. Just make one without all this discussion. If it gets used, fine. If not, so what?

When I first saw the title, "The Art of Steely Dan," I thought it was a coffee table book featuring marital appliances through the ages as art. I guess I have a dirty mind.

John


Date: Sat, November 02, 2002, 15:45:04
Posted by: Jackie, State of the Clueless Voters

Haven't had internet at work for 2 weeks so I am finally catching up on these posts.

Re: "Art of SD" Thanks Earl, for mentioning that book. It does seem interesting. I checked it out at amazon.com and it seems Cherry Lane has a whole series of "the art of..." but I couldn't find out what other artists they have included.

Will I get ostricized if I say SD is my number two artist/group? A very close 2nd, may I add to my number one: Joe Jackson(who himself is a big SD fan). JJ's wandered off the path now and then but always keeps it interesting.

I know someone at the Warner Bros. labels. He doesn't know anything about "The Next Project" but will keep me posted.

I recently finished Sweet's "Reelin' in the Years". I enjoyed all the info but agree with some of the others who said it was not well written. I'm not sure why. Something about it is awkward and some sentences were redundant. Perhaps I am comparing it to Joe Jackson's autobiography, "A Cure For Gravity". He is an excellent writer (and, like Sweet, he's British). It would be great if he would write a SD bio!

Jackie


Date: Sat, November 02, 2002, 11:24:27
Posted by: ed beatty, Home at Last

Hey,
The best session ever in the SIS chatroom was the night of 4 Grammy's
Those of you who I spoke to on the phone that night and then we
rejoined to the chat room for more concelebratory hoopla!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well..

Ed (looking forward to November 12th) Beatty



Date: Sat, November 02, 2002, 09:30:01
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Number two choice -- a great question!

Only one group/artist to me has the long-term quality, overall array of nearly-flawless work, creative spirit and staying power of Steely Dan: The Beatles.
We've touched on many other artists who fit the definition "great" -- Stevie Wonder, the Who, EWF, Tower of Power, Joni Mitchell among them -- and others who've had their moments of excellence.
But only SD and the Fab Four have a body of work you could just load into a CD changer and play end-to-end have not get tired of it, or have to endure the sub-par stuff.





Date: Sat, November 02, 2002, 05:47:50
Posted by: Undecided, The Custerdome

Pivitol Pete-I read Hoops as not wanting to make another chat room. He's right, StAl does work hard on his. I too can't imagine how any one could dictate what can and can't be said in a live chat room. But I gave up on Banyan Trees chat a long time ago. People there are often witlessly rude for no good reason. I don't know about banning Clas, but that Molly character talks a like a two-bit whore one minute and then in the next minute is offended if you play along. Torture is the main attraction there. Heard of art imitating life? This is chat immitating Steely Dan characters. Hoops, you should take it as a high complement of the major kind that Dan Fans come to you asking for help with things like this.

Good deal on the interviews of late. Hope it keeps up. It says a lot that those chatter boxes aren't jumping at this new Steely info. Since you won't interview anyone on the new one does this mean Justin Morell isn't on it? The Sonic Frenzy site mentioned at the end is dead. What's George Waddenious up to these days? What commercials does he play on? How could he not know the names of all the songs on Kama?

Jon-I love Dylan but especially love Tom Waits as my second behind Steely Dan. He tells great stories, wry.

I like the Stevie Wonder topic. Wasn't it Stevie who called Steely Dan about problems with the remastered CDs? I think it was the Nightfly.

Good to see you Peg!

Toodle-EWWW!

Undecided


Date: Sat, November 02, 2002, 03:10:32
Posted by: The Man!, I'm in!

Hoops! Love the idea for a 'Blue Book' chat room. Is their any way to ban Molly and Clas from chatting? If so, I'm in!

The Man!


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 22:20:48
Posted by: Peg, Ah, home

Ditto Pete's comments about this forum versus chats. Personally I like peace and quiet in all its forms, and this form beats out chats majorly in that area. And yeah, ditto on thanks, Hoopsie.
Well that was one fine interview you did just there for us, Hoopsie, and you should be commended. I have met journalism students who never would have done as well asking questions. LIked the old Metal Leg article also...
Second choice for me? Don't really have one, because I like a ton of different stuff. I have to say that my all-out desert island album is not a SD record (gasp!) but Stevie Wonder's Songs in the Key of Life. But I listen to a real variety...Talking Heads, and Charlie Parker and any other old bebop, Earth Wind & Fire, Elvis Costello, various movie soundtracks, Santana, Little Feat...even the Black Crows.


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 19:24:09
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Hoops-

Impressed by your willingness to entertain the "chatroom" idea. (Seems to me you've got enough on your plate without taking that on.)

Personally, the pace of the Bluebook is perfect and much preferred to a chat room, where the "real time" conversation tends to be scattered and less coherent. Sometimes I can only check in once every couple of weeks, and it's still fun (and possible) to catch up on the Bluebook goings on. The quality of the posts, I think, is more thoughtful and focused in this forum -- even while various threads can move along simultaneously.

There's even room for Tristan's entertaining and erudite diabribes--if you want to read it. A post like that would probably crash a chat room.

I'm not a veteran of any other Dan chat, so I only have this experience to draw on for Dan content. But I think this format is great

And thanks for all the work you do to make it possible.

-Pete


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 15:50:39
Posted by: hoops,

Given the flurry of reprinted articles of late, I wouldn't be surprised if Danfans found the Dandom Digest and the BlueBook to be the Steely Dan equivalent of Nick at Nite. It's like a few prescious episodes of Metal Leg have gone into syndicated reruns. "Whoo boy, they are still so good after all these years!" Quality, Quality, Quality.

Nothing could ever top Metal Leg, but inspired by all those really great Metal Leg interviews of yore, myself, with some help from others, have lined up some new interviews of a tangentially-Steely Dan nature.

Several of these new interviews are in various degrees of progress, and every now and then, or at least often enough, the Dandom Digest and the BlueBook will present these, hopefully inspiring tangential Steely Dan discussion throughout the greater Dandom and just not only here. Who says nothing's happening because there's not yet a new album or tour?

Please note: We've all already read about the possibility of players like Keith Carlock and Jon Herington appearing on the next Steely Dan album. So it is understandable that you might think these players should be approached for their thoughts and perhaps even teasers about The Next One. Well, that won't be happening. My gut tells me that interviews with those personages should be deferred for the Webdrone staff at steelydan.com to handle in the ways they know best so as to advance the cause of Steely Dan's Next and Greatest.

Here's the first one...


Justin Morell on Steely Dan

Last spring, I was excited to discover the Justin Morell Quintet via a fantastic album, >the music of steely_dan. Compelled by the sublime understatement of the album, I decided to pose some questions to the quintet's leader. The following is an account of that discussion from late last Spring (2002). Thanks to Justin for his fascinating and in-depth responses, not to mention his enduring patience with my getting this out.


How and why did you come to make an album of songs by or inspired by Steely Dan?

Well, I've always been a Steely Dan fan. I can actually remember driving around with my dad when I was about 5 or 6 years old, listening to Aja and The Royal Scam in the car (he's a fan as well). That music made a big impression on me at that age, and as I've come to understand more and more about music in general, I've found myself coming back to those records and enjoying them, learning from them, on so many levels.

Of course, the first time I heard those records, I had no idea what they were talking about, lyrically speaking. I just liked the sound. And I know I'm still trying to figure out what they're talking about in some of those songs, though I don't know that it really matters in the end—the words sound so good that I think the songs work whether one understands them or not! In short, I think that it's music that's as close to my heart as any music can be.

But I think there are other reasons why making this record seemed like a good project for me. I think that there's a whole lot of really excellent "popular" music out there, stuff recorded by people like James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Wonder, Tom Waits; but what stands out about Steely Dan for me is the fact that their songs work as great vehicles for instrumental improvisation. The melodies are beautiful, harmonies are always unique and move in unexpected but good sounding ways, the forms are a little unorthodox, and they really gave us new territory to improvise with. And I think that it's nice to record music that hasn't been recorded by thousands of others. As jazz players, we need to expand the standard repertoire! For me, these Steely Dan songs are like standards. I'm a lot closer to them than I am to older standards like "All the Things You Are" or "Stella By Starlight."

And I think part of that closeness comes from the environment that I grew up in. My dad is a jazz guitarist, and worked for many years as a studio musician in LA, so I grew up around both jazz and studio musicians.

In fact, I had the privilege of getting to know many great players like John Guerin and Tom Peterson when I was very young, and had a chance to meet some of the guys that worked on Steely Dan records; people like Larry Carlton, Jeff Porcaro, Abe Laboriel [I think he was on Donald's The Nightfly only]. To me, Steely Dan was really about the convergence of the jazz and studio music worlds, and their music captured that energy so accurately. That whole attitude, that atmosphere, feels very much like "home" to me.

The first time I became aware of you and your quintet was very memorable. I was driving down the street and turned on the radio. Without knowing it was you, I was really lulled into your playing-and then I was struck at the hypnotic allusion to Steely Dan's "Kings" that also evoked certain qualities of late 50s Miles Davis. I had to pull over to listen. That hasn't happened to me in almost a decade. It turned out to be "End Of The Line" from your quintet's new album, >the music of steely_dan. How did "End Of The Line" come about?

When I was compiling a list of songs to record for the album, I thought it might be nice to have something of my own on there, something that would comment on my experience with Steely Dan compositionally, not just with the guitar, and something that might add some variety to the overall sound and flow of the CD. All of my other CDs have been original compositions, so it felt natural that I should write at least something for this one, if it fit musically. I really was listening to all of those early records a lot, looking for ideas to work from. And the end of "Kings" always struck me as this little, beautiful, kind of sentimental idea that I wished would just go on forever. In fact, I played it in the car a couple hundred times, just "rewinding" the CD to the last 30 seconds or so of that track to get that feeling over and over. Eventually I started to play with it rhythmically in my mind, and it took shape as a 5 bar phrase (3+3+3+3+2.) The rest of the song just fell into place from that point.

Have you written and/or recorded any other Steely-inspired songs like "End of The Line" which you have not released or finished yet?

I haven't written any others so far, and frankly I wasn't sure how it would be received! I think sometimes people can have adverse reactions to that kind of thing, and I hoped that it would be taken as a tribute, as my personal "response" or reaction to how "Kings" made me feel. But I certainly think there are plenty of other ideas that could be developed from other songs.

Were there other Steely Dan-related recordings that didn't make your album, >the music of steely_dan?

There really aren't any that I would want to release. When we were recording, we worked on "The Fez" a bit, and I thought about doing "Boston Rag" and "Gaucho," but in the end we didn't really have the time to do it. I also wasn't terribly happy with the arrangements I had come up with for those, and it would have required a bit of reworking. We recorded the record in two days, and with only about 5 hours of rehearsal the night before, so we were certainly pressed for time. I will say, though, that I used to play "The Fez" all the time with a trio I had some years ago (with David Parmeter and Shaun Guerin [John's son!]) and was disappointed that we didn't have more time to work on that one.

What are your first recollections of hearing Steely Dan? What songs? What were the circumstances?

I guess I answered this question earlier, but specifically I remember "Black Cow," "Peg," and "Deacon Blues" from Aja, and "Kid Charlemagne" and "Caves of Altamira" from The Royal Scam. Most of the other records I didn't discover until much later; but I sure wore that Aja record out early on.

Have you ever worked with Becker and/or Fagen?

I have never worked with either of them, and haven't had any direct contact with them during the making/releasing/licensing of this CD. I did meet Walter Becker once in John Carruthers' guitar store in Venice, CA, when I was about 18, though I'm absolutely sure he doesn't remember me! But the opportunity to work with them would be the realization of one of my career dreams. It doesn't get any better than that.

How has Steely Dan influenced your playing?

Well, since I grew up listening to so much of their music, I know that their sound creeps into my playing and my writing whether I think about it or not. But in terms of specifics, I think the playing elements I've focused on from their records have more to do with the drums than anything else. I've studied Jeff's playing so much on records like Katy Lied, and of course Gadd on Aja and "Third World Man." Their attention to and understanding of time feel is really intense, and I try to think about that every time I play the guitar, or play any instrument. I've checked out lots of Larry Carlton's work on those records, too, and also on The Nightfly, and if I could ever even approach his mastery of sound and dynamics on the guitar....

What is your favorite track off of Two Against Nature and why?

I think my favorite would be "Gaslighting Abbie," but I also like "Janie Runaway" and "Jack of Speed." I'm not quite sure why those are my favorites; those are just the ones that I seem to want to hear the most. I have to say, though, that I'm more familiar with the recordings on the live DVD than on the record itself, and like the live feel a bit more than the CD versions.

Why does Steely Dan matter to you and why do you think they will continue to matter?

Well, I think their music is just so unique, and I'm sure they will continue to be an important group because they are always venturing into new territory. That's a very important quality in a musical group, and the fact that they are continually evolving is what keeps me wanting more. I also think their music has affected so much of popular and jazz music over the past 30 years that we just can't escape it's influence. And I seem to learn something new every time I listen to their recordings, even after I've heard them hundreds of times; I must have listened to Aja at least 1000 times by now, and I still love it. How many records can we say that about!

Who else besides Steely Dan is a major influence on your music?

I'll list some of the people that come to mind as my influences, though I'm sure to leave some out: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Joe Zawinal, Russ Ferrante, John Abercrombie, Jim Hall, Sonny Rollins, Joni Mitchell, John Scofield, James Taylor, Rickie Lee Jones, Paul Simon, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Jeff Porcaro, Tony Williams, John Guerin, the Beatles, Peter Erskine, Don Grolnick, Chick Corea, the list goes on... Some of my biggest influences have been musicians whose names are not very widely known, players that I grew up around, that worked with my dad in jazz groups and in the studios in LA, and players that I grew up playing with. People like Alan Estes, Joel DiBartolo, Greg Mathieson, to name a few. And I think my biggest overall musical influence is my dad.

Which Steely Dan concerts have you attended and what were your favorite aspects of these shows?

I've only been to one live concert, following the Two Against Nature CD release, at Blockbuster Pavilion. We sat so, so far back, on the lawn, and Walter and Donald were barely visible! The band sounded great, of course, though I think I really prefer to hear most of the older songs on the record. The recordings are so perfect, and capture a sound and feeling that is really impossible to recreate, no matter how good the players are. But I would definitely go to hear them again if I had the opportunity.

Listening to your new CD, I am struck by your playing's powerful sense of understatement. I find it quietly filled with energy. Is understatement something you consciously seek to achieve in your playing?

Thank you! I don't know if I consciously try to focus on understatement while I'm playing, though I try not to overplay and fill up too much space. I just think that the music that I like, and whose spirit I've tried to emulate, tends to focus on "less-is-more," and not too much technical flashiness. I like the beauty of simplicity. Whether or not I've been successful at emulating that in my own music, I don't know, and it seems that when I listen back to my own playing/composing I'm usually thinking to myself, "I could have left a little more space in there."

Your father is noted jazz guitarist, John Morell. How has he influenced you? How do you define your own style separately from your father's? To what degree, if any, do you see yourself assimilating his musical achievements and then putting your own spin on them?

I think my father's influence on me has been incredibly strong, and I've always loved to listen to his music, both his playing and composing, and tried to emulate it. His music has the brilliance of being both simple and terribly complicated at the same time, and totally unique. My playing sounds more like his than any other player, and I think it's only been in recent years that I've been able to separate my sound from his naturally. I've definitely spent lots of time studying the music of guitarists like Scofield and Abercrombie, and I think their influence has separated my own sound from my dad's. But my idea of what a guitar should "sound like" at it's core comes directly from my dad, much the same way that, say, Wayne Shorter's sound on the tenor might have come from Coltrane's to a large extent. And I think that my dad has always been interested in pushing the boundaries of what "jazz" music is, in terms of style, harmony, and form, and from him I definitely inherited the desire to keep the music progressing forward.

Your credits show you to be a versatile musician who can play a variety of kinds of music, yet personally, you have chosen to play jazz. Why do you prefer jazz over, say, rock, pop, etc.?

I really like to play all styles of music, or at least most of them. I've studied some classical music, played in rock bands (both as a guitarist and a drummer,) played some Klezmer music. I just think that the "jazz" music was the most familiar to me, closest to my heart, and at the same time the most challenging. That's not to say that classical guitar wasn't as challenging, it's just that I didn't have the desire to delve into it as much as I would have had to be decent at it. But the jazz playing/writing just really pulled me in from a very early age. I'd love to be a great songwriter, but I can't sing, and am not too good with words! If I ever get an opportunity to play with a really good rock/pop band, I'll do it in a second.

Have you heard the Me, Myself and Irene soundtrack featuring today's "modern rock" artists covering Steely Dan classics? What did you think of it?

I haven't heard it, or at least not seriously. I think I may have heard a little bit of it on the radio at some point, but I don't remember it very well. It's great that they did it, though, and that a lot of people that wouldn't have otherwise been exposed to the music were exposed to it in some form. I remember my first hearing of Beatles songs was in the movie Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (with George Burns, Peter Frampton, the Bee Gees, et.al.) and it got me listening to the original recordings. Imagine my surprise when I found out how great the original versions were!

There are some superb Steely Dan cover bands who can play many Becker/Fagen songs note-for-note like the original Steely Dan recordings. On your new album, you obviously take a different approach, offering new interpretations and arrangements of Steely Dan classics. Have you ever experienced or even played in a Steely Dan cover band? What do you think of such cover bands?

I've heard one of the cover bands recently, though I can't remember which one. It was one of the west coast bands, maybe the Steely Fan Band?

Anyhow, I think it's a very interesting idea in theory (covering the songs exactly like the record,) but let's face it: They spent how many hundreds of hours getting those recordings just right with the greatest players in the world, and bands are trying to recreate that live? I think it's a tall order. When we set out to make this CD, we wanted to make a record that sounded like ourselves playing some great songs. And I think I'd rather hear a cover band that approximated, or even personalized, the Steely Dan songs, with improvised solos, etc., than hear an attempt at playing the record exactly. Those are some of the best records ever made, and we can hear those versions as much as we want at home. I think it must be somewhat flattering to have your music reproduced so faithfully, but maybe it's more flattering to have it transformed, and to let it grow into new forms, like living works of art.

Tell us about "The Murmaids." How did you start working with them?

The Murmaids are a pop group that had one big hit in 1963 ("Popsicles and Icicles"). My aunt (Terry Fischer Siegel) and my mom (Carol Fischer Morell) were two of the three members of the group, and they've recently reunited and released a CD. I basically helped them produce and record the record, and did some playing on it as well.

What was it like working with Russell Ferrante (Yellowjackets) and Peter Erskine?

Well, Russell and Peter have been two of the biggest influences on my music, so it was somewhat intimidating at first. When we recorded the CD (Quartet) it was really the first time I had ever played with them. It was a learning experience, especially working with Russell. He can say so much melodically, with so few notes. I think overall the sessions were difficult for me personally because I had been playing the material we recorded with a trio for a while, and it was a little hard to adjust to the quartet and the different interpretation (we didn't do any rehearsals for that project). I've grown a lot as a musician and guitarist since then; I wouldn't mind another crack at some of those takes! But Russell and Peter (and Jimmy Johnson) are just so great at what they do, I just don't think they're capable of not sounding fantastic.

You Play Gibson ES335, Carruthers custom long neck, Rivera amps, D'Addario strings. Is there any particular reason why you prefer these?

I've played lots of different guitars over the years, and the 335 is just the one that feels the most natural to me. I have other instruments for recording and variety (acoustics, nylon strings, dobro, bass guitar, Tele, Strat, etc.) but I can't seem to get comfortable playing my own music on those instruments. The 335 just has a kind of balance to it that allows me to not have to struggle with what I'm hearing in my head versus what's coming out of the amp. The Carruthers is a very unique instrument that sounds beautiful and works great in the studio for me, but is a little harder for me to use live. It really requires a lot of energy to play! The amp I use most often is a Rivera modified Fender Vibrolux Reverb from the 70's, and I just love it. It's very similar to the sound of the other Rivera amps (I have one of the rack mount ones too, but it weighs a ton.) And I've been using the D'Addario strings for a long time. They just seem to be the most consistent, and I've been surprised to notice how much better they are than so many other brands. I also like the fact that they come in sealed plastic bags, so they stay fresh and don't waste too much paper.

>the music of steely_dan is your fourth album. How have you changed as a musician, writer and artist since the first album?

I've definitely gotten better overall as a guitarist and as a composer, and I think I'm a bit more able to express my musical ideas clearly now. I think it's a slow process, evolving that is, and there are so many things about my work that I'd like to improve. It seems the more one improves, the more one realizes how much further there is to go. I think of myself more as an evolutionist, as opposed to a revolutionist, so my overall musical goals haven't changed too much since my first recording.

What are you plans for your next album?

I just recorded a live CD at a club in Los Angeles called "Rocco." The CD features drummer Mark Ferber, pianist Joe Bagg, and bassist Todd Sickafoose, and has mostly original material on it. I don't really know when it will be released at this point, maybe sometime next year. In the mean time, I'm working on a new studio project with Todd and pianist Leonard Thompson, and I hope to get that recorded before the end of the year.

What other projects are you currently working on?

I played on Todd Sickafoose's second CD, and that one should be out fairly soon. I think it should turn out to be a really nice project. I'll also be releasing the John Daversa Big Band CD on my Internet label sometime later in the year. Between that and the freelance playing, writing, teaching, working on a masters degree, I think I'll be pretty busy for a while.

Where do you see your career taking you in ten years? What are your aspirations as a musician?

What I'd like to be doing for a while is just playing the guitar with as many good musicians as possible, and maybe do some touring. If I can continue to make my own CDs, say one every year or two, I'll consider it fairly productive. I'd like to get into teaching at the college/university level (hence my working on the MA) if I can, since the music business is never too steady. If I can keep playing, make a decent living, and contribute my little part to the music world, I think I'll be happy. Of course there are some musical "dream" jobs that would be wonderful (like working with Steely Dan, James Taylor, Herbie Hancock) but I can't count on those happening anytime soon!

What is your "desert island" disc: By any artist? By Steely Dan?

I think if I had to choose one... I'd go crazy, but maybe Miles Davis' My Funny Valentine (or maybe any number of his CDs) or Joni Mitchell's Court and Spark, some of my dad's stuff, I don't really know, there are so many possibilities. Aja would be on that list too, and if I had to pick one Steely Dan record, that would probably be it. Can't forget The Nightfly either!

©2002 Jim McKay & Justin Morell. Used by kind permission.


Visit http://www.justinmorell.com Check out the most recent CD from Justin Morell Quintet, >the music of steely_dan . I think it's one of the best Steely Dan tribute albums that's ever been crafted.

—hoops


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 14:59:42
Posted by: jon,

Great follow-up, Hoops, and just to keep it rolling I'll weigh in with Pat Metheny Group as my second all-time fave rave, with the Dead coming in very close in the show position. Ryan Adams is threatening to overtake all lately, as I think the guy is simply superb.


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 13:35:06
Posted by: hoops,

Hey hey mike.
Sorry that wasn't clear. Yes, I was aware that Zevon is dieing. I think I posted about it a few weeks ago, in fact. Thank you very much for the clarifcation request.

Followup to Jon's post:
Jon clarified that he didn't send his thread idea he meant the SIS Guestbook entry #2758, not the Digest. Thanks again.

More Chat Spaces?
Regarding the idea of another chat space for Steely Dan fans, I'm always open to new ideas, especially ones that break new ground. It's appealing to think that any forum might be tweaked or implemented in such a way that we get more of the "good stuff"—in this case that would be even more interesting and provocative Steely Dan talk and info.

The BlueBook came about because some Danfans wanted discussion more narrowly focused on Steely Dan rather than the Merry Pranksters "anything goes" feel of the SIS GB. While there are many Danfans from the SIS GB who are dear to me, it also got—and off and on still gets—a little too raw and self-indulgent or disregarding of Steely posts for my preferences. Speaking of preferences, I also like to post to the alt group at times or Yahoo, as well. But to be fair, I think there is this sense of community that is quite evident at the SIS GB. Different strokes for different folks, you know? And I do view and post to all the forums. You get a fuller picture that way.

I read this one quote about Internet chat rooms. It went something like..."but in the end chat is just chat—idle chatter."

Yet, chat is a great way to socialize and become familiar with the other Steely Dan fans. You learn a lot about other fans' perspectives when they chat about things that aren't Steely Dan. ("Hey, I just found out so-and-so is a member of this political party. No wonder they hate that Steely Dan song." )

I am not certain what I or anyone else could do much differently than what other Steely Dan chat rooms already do to increase Steely Dan discussion. Pat Beemer's is the one I am most familiar with and he's worked on it quite a bit, investigating, implementing and changing the chat software and hosting as fan needs and finances dictate. Users hopefully realize chat config technicalities aren't as fun as it looks from the outside.

I'd like to know how people think such an alternate chat room could be different. Perhaps Pat would be able to incorporate those ideas. In general, chat is a free for all, anything goes kind of format and Pat is great technically and emotionally at handling that.

Here's a question for you: With another different kind of chat room, would people expect me or whoever ran it to be at all chats, wildly flailing my emoticons in disapproval when chat got off the topic of music and Steely Dan? I have been disappointed myself when I have wanted to chat about a specific SD topic in various Steely Fan rooms, only to find others preoccupied with their lack of a sex life or their supper. I dunno—whaddaya do? I'm asking…

My hunch is that at the root of this, some people are tired of the various cliques and personality conflicts that are bound to develop when you have a band like Steely Dan, a band that is appreciated from several diverse perspectives and attacts a diverse crowd of fans. How does everyone address that?

h


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 12:07:50
Posted by: hoops, chicago, where else?

jon:
I went back through each Dandom Digest since June 1 and could not find where you brought up this thread. Usually, this kind of topic generates a stampede of discussion. Good topic. I will re-rerun this in today's Digest.

As far as for my second favorites: Van Morrison is close second, but unlike Steely Dan, I don't like every single thing he's ever recorded. But Van has this electic mix of jazz, gospel, soul, funk, etc, that is like poetry, religion and rebellion all at once. Watch out though. This guy is damn moody. Used to run somelike the "Vandom Digest" a long time ago. Van bitched about the Internet and that pretty much folded it for me. Also can't do without Bob Dylan (whom I'm seeing tonight) and Paul Simon. As a teenager I grew up listening to Elton John and off and on I run something roughly like the Dandom Digest on the MUSIC of John & Taupin. But Elton's stuff is far from perfect and I have a rep as being the "ultimate curmudgeon fan." So much so that I get consulted before they release his remasters (no, I don't think you should be impressed). Funny story. I was asked to be at an EJ fan event that also featured some of Elton's touring associates from around the same time SD toured circa 1973 or 1974. I brought up Steely Dan and, boy, did that seem to make uncomfortable. Maybe they have memories of Becker and Fagen's delightfully sharp wit.

Also, for a chunk of the 80s and 90s I followed around the Grateful Dead. Lost track of how many shows I've attended, but these days I am kinda put off by Bob Weir's "I'm Jerry Now" attitude.

How's that for a starter?

h


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 11:41:12
Posted by: jon,

Tried to float this on Digest and got nary a response, so here goes on the Blue;

Here's a little exercise: Assuming SD is your favorite musical artist/group, who or what is your second favorite? The commonalities/divergences might make for interesting reading.

Or not...


Date: Fri, November 01, 2002, 08:14:30
Posted by: heymike, near Chicago, Illinois

Hoops, I couldn't tell from your post if you know that Zevon is dying from lung cancer? Sorry it wasn't clear.
heymike


October 2002 BlueBook Entries including Metal Leg's Georg Wadenius interview.




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