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Thanks to those who care about Steely Dan. You're the true fans.
Best, Date: Mon, February 23, 2009, 00:22:06 ET Date: Sun, February 22, 2009, 22:16:12 ET
Given their band's name, marital appliances would be an obvious starting point for product endorsement--at least from the vantage of we fans who know what a Steely Dan is. And of course, most wouldn't so that would be really funny.
If Iggy Pop genuinely thinks very highly of his car insurance company, I certainly won't consider him to be selling out and, in fact, I'd say, "Good for you."
If I had the profile and accomplishments of Donald and Walter, I can think of four or five things that I would readily lend my songs to for promotional purposes because I truly believe in the products. Reminds me--some criticized our heroes for letting the GM Mastercard give out co-branded visors and travel mugs a few years ago in exchange for considering a credit card application. Yet, if I understand corectly, SD's proceeds benefitted charity. So good on that; yet, I also find it hard to put SD in the same class as GM!
And of course in the early to mid70s, Walter and Donald and the band (including Skunk) did a Schlitz beer commericial but it never hit the airwaves. See
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/2radio.htm
Date: Sun, February 22, 2009, 22:03:10 ET Date: Sun, February 22, 2009, 17:23:12 ET
I think the wryest of all of LC's albums--and a potential space for SD fans to get a leg up on him is the "I'm Your Man" album. IMHO.
Dean Parks appears on LC's last three studio albums; Bob Sheppard plays on his last one. Madeleine Peyroux covers LC tracks and thanks him profusely on a couple of her albums. Larry Klein produces her.
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"Cousin Lenny", as I think Danfans might think of him, brings his first tour in 15 years to the US and Canada in April and May with tickets coming on sale this week. There was a fantastic special show at The Beacon a couple of nights ago. There's a fine review in the NY Times. It's going to be broadcast on NPR Music this Thursday and he has a live album due out next month. Sublime stuff. His fan site is a model for anyone running a site for their favorite musical artist. Not flashy but such a great community that even Cohen himself openly participates.
I'll close with a few loose recollections of some one liners from Cohen over the years, most of these recent:
"Last time I toured I was 60 (about 15 years ago) ...just a young kid with a crazy dream, hoping to make it big..."
"...I studied many organized religions but cheerfulness kept breaking through anyway..."
"...my songs are 'music to slit your wrists by'..."
On doing acid in the 60s: Date: Sat, February 21, 2009, 12:17:00 ET Date: Sat, February 21, 2009, 11:42:39 ET Date: Sat, February 21, 2009, 02:48:44 ET Date: Sat, February 21, 2009, 00:18:51 ET Date: Fri, February 20, 2009, 23:20:02 ET Date: Fri, February 20, 2009, 22:29:59 ET
It's Sonic360's shipping charge that puts it up closer to $18.xx (US). Download an album?? That is just so wrong...even if you pay for it...I'm talking about the fidelity, in fact especially if you pay for it!
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****** *****************
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Personally, what bothers me is this overdeveloped sense of entitlement on the part of a minority of fans. Some seem to think if they get their mitts on something, regardless of how it is obtained and where it came from, then they are entitled to it.
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Hey, give Little Walter $19. Lord knows he didn't make anything on this one. And it's priceless to us fans at that. So ante up. And "Feh" to the cheapskate who persisted in being so cheap that we are now moderated.
Date: Thurs, February 19, 2009, 17:39:22 ET Date: Thurs, February 19, 2009, 16:34:03 ET
Now that sucked!
Let's face it, Walter lost money big time on Circus Money. The least we can do is offset the costs a little so we might get more someday.
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Posted by: JR, The Purdie Shuffle...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/theater/31purd.html?_r=1&8dpc
Posted by: kzkzkz, Ciudad de Nueva YorkRudder - featuring Keith Carlock - cd release gig
April 6th @ The Slipper Room : 167 Orchid Street, NYC
Posted by: Mer., BostonOK- I happened to catch Jim Pugh (the contestant's ex) being phoned for assistance on "who wants to be a millionaire"--- Meredith Viera cracked some joke while introduced a cameo of him- he was holding his trombone. I think she said something like- 'gee, with a trombone that size, why would she have divorced you?'
Did she actually say this? I might have been hallucinating- home sick with food poisoning.
what a riot!
Posted by: that noodle appears in the bridge of things I miss the most ,
Posted by: el ray, del mundonoodling sux.
melodica sux.
clicky kick drums sux
nobody's perfect
well, almost no one . . . . .
HZ
Posted by: Nothing I have Heard, Nick U.
Not necessarily. To say "reduced" has far too negative connotations. One can, and in Steely Dan's case SHOULD say that their catalogue was "augmented" or "fortified" via the use of snippets, hooks etc. from prior Steely work, borrowing, and so forth.
The mu major chord, Purdie shuffle, the Horace Silver backbeat are all examples--key BUILDING blocks of the Steely catalogue.
Walt's noodling in the Josie outro appears wholly original, not having appeared before or since in Steely Dan history.
Nevertheless, the question, as posited, infers that that noodling is derived from either prior Dan, or other artists body of work.
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, PhraxosNothing I Ever Heard - So you reduce the entire SD catalog to a bunch of recycled and borrowed hash with a few unique snippets. Do I read you correctly?
Posted by: Nothing I Ever heard, I would say that Walt's noodling in the outro of Josie is one of a few truly unique snippets that Steely Dan has used that is:
a. not derived from something they did before,
b. "borrowed" from other artists work,
c. nor has been since "recycled".
It would truly SHOCK my ass if it were to be proven otherwise.
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!I am not, by nature, an envious person.
With that said, I find myself in total awe of Moondog's current living situation. What i wouldn't give to be there.
I'm looking forward to the review from up above.
Posted by: bernard purdie, le bar bathttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/theater/31purd.html?hpw
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleMadeleine Peyroux will be at the Montreal Jazz Festival
http://www.montrealjazzfest.com/Fijm2008/programmation/fiche_en.aspx?showId=6406
Posted by: web, searchStory about the venue where the Morph tour kicked off.
http://www.mycentraljersey.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009903290314
Posted by: Thanks, For callingI hope she doesn't call in the middle of IGY.
Posted by: steelydoc, near the BorgataJim Pugh is a phone-a-friend on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" today:
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/127665.html
Posted by: Moondog, Piazzola sul Brenta , Padova, ItalyPiazzola sul Brenta, Padova, Italy venue.
http://www.myexl.it/public/img_articoli/342/panvillacontarini.jpg
The concert will take place in the circular piazza you can see in the right of the picture.
I live above the arches you can see of the Piazza in the photo.
Roberto
(Moondog)
Posted by: Boston Rag, Breaking BadWhoo Hoo! My favorite TV show, “Breaking Bad” had a neat SD reference tonight. Walt White sits down for breakfast with his wife and son. He says “Alright, got one…Steely Dan”. The son says
“No”. Walt replies “Yes! Absolutely! In terms of musicianship, I would put them up against any current band you can name!” The son says “you wouldn’t know any current bands”. For those not familiar with this show, Bryan Cranston plays a high school chemistry teacher who is diagnosed with cancer. With a short life expectancy, he becomes a crystal meth manufacturer to build a nest egg for his family. He uses his chemistry skills to cook the best crystal meth in New Mexico. He and a former student become involved with drug dealers and low-lifes. The plot line even sounds like a Steely Dan tune! It’s the best show on television IMHO.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Hutch, Brain Schweezer - It's likely that it's "If I Only Had a Brain" however, I also hear it as a melody from either "Annie Get Your Gun" or "Oklahoma"... something about gettin' a feller. I just can't put my finger what the song is.
And it's been driving me crazy for a long time!!!
Posted by: Chris, nhIf I Only Had a Brain?
By the way, the tune the whole band played at the end of Kid Chalarmange last summer was a Dolphy tune. Can't remember the title at the moment, though.
Posted by: Bob, northophillyHad a blast at the Levon Helm show last night. It was different to see Fagan in more of a backup role. He sang Black Friday and most of the lyrics to King Harvest. He also had a few good solos, including a good one on piano during "Same Thing" and good melodica solos on "Deep Elum Blues" and "I Shall Be Released." The band played a bit under 3 hours with no break.
The Electric Factory is a cool venue. It's a general admission hall with maybe 100 seats in the balcony and very nice staff. We got in about 45 minutes before the show and grabbed seats in the balcony. The floor looked fun, but I liked hanging back.
Posted by: Brain Schweezer, What is the name of the song that WB ALWAYS quotes on the guitar at the end of "Josie"?
Posted by: mikethebaker, outside phillyWhat a treat last night at Levon Helm/Fagen show. It was great to see DF just sitting in with another group, and not being the headliner. there really weren't a whole lot of people there. I think DF was asked to join because they just weren't selling enough tix for the show. I certainly wouldn't have been there if he weren't. However, Levon and the band were great. DF sang Black Friday. I just missed him getting into his limo at the end. He signed two autographs. the one lucky guy I talked to got a poster signed. In a way, it was better than a lot of SD shows I have been to in the past, a truly special night....
Posted by: steely dana, vaSeveral photos of DF, et al, at Levon's March 21 Midnight Ramble, over on Levon's website.
As the photos show, you sure can't get any closer to the band than at one of Levon's "rambles" !!
Posted by: EF Attendee, back homeSome additional notes from the Levon Helm show.
* DF and the piano player alternated between the piano and a Hammond that was in front of the piano.
* He had several melodica solos, including one on a "straight ahead country song" sung by one of the female vocalists.
* When he was on the Hammond, it was Roseland-like proximity. He didn't acknowledge any yells of "Hey Donald."
* At least 4 different band members took a turn on drums, including Amy Helm.
* Before the show when they were putting out bottles of water, I was keeping an eye out for the can of Coke to get an idea where he would be. But he drank Fiji along with everyone else.
* Levon frequently blew his nose.
Posted by: Moondog, Piazzola sul Brenta, PadovaGaucho...
The venue is about 12km from Padova in a small town called Piazzola sul Brenta (I live there)..
The concert will take place in the Piazza in front of the Villa Contarini..it is a magnificent setting I think you will agree..
The stage will be just beneath my house as i live above the piazza..I feel very honored and privileged,,
This gig is part of the Piazzola music festival which had its first edition last year..I saw (and met) Massive Attack, Johnny Winter and a few others of not much interest..
This year apart from Steely Dan, we have James Taylor , Moby, John Fogerty and wait for it..Motorhead...
This is all very incredible ..because I live and grew up in Piazzola ..it's a sleepy town and nothing much ever happens..but to have Steely Dan play outside my window is just incredible for me..
The night in Lucca 2007 ..was incredible..and I am sure that Piazzola as a venue will be fantastic also..
Pls don't hesitate to contact me if you need further info
Roberto (Moondog)
Posted by: elsmallo, Last night I played (and sang) Babylon Sisters and Fire In The Hole with my dad on the bass and my brother on drums at the jazz forum in the British Legion, Hungerford, Berkshire, UK.
It was hella cool. A familial three-piece Steely Dan masterperformance, no less. Except I couldn't sing 'Shake It', as it's too high. But I'm pretty sure no-one in the audience had ever heard the song before, so it probably didn't matter.
I don't know which ones to target next. There are just ...too...many...songs...I...need...to...learn!
Posted by: Security Joan, PhillyJust back from Levon Helm -- featuring of course Donald F. -- at Electric Factory. Phoebe Snow was not there, they cited 'previous engagement'(?) Great show, I must say, though I would not have gone if Fagen wasn't on the bill (I appreciate The Band, but it's never been part of my music-fan-oeuvre). It was wonderful to see Fagen in close proximity, in a fun ensemble situation that reminded me a bit of the Rock & Soul Revue days. The one Donald solo was the temporally appropriate Black Friday -- fantastic. But the major treat of this show was the way the Electric Factory is set up: in the many Fagen or Steely Dan shows I've been to, Donald is always behind keyboards facing the stage, so although you see him rocking like a mad scientist you never see his hands; at the EF, there is a upper level side balcony, where I not only had a clear view of his hands at the electric keyboard, but had an epiphany of sorts. One of my childhood/teen obsessions was the Marx Brothers, and as an aspiring pianist I studied Chico Marx's idiosyncratic playing in detail. Tonight, from my railing perch above the stage (maybe because it was in real life and not in a quick-cut documentary), I realized that Donald's hold-and-pounce technique is similar to Chico Marx style. It's an approach where the keyboard isn't inanimate, but a collaborator likely to jump back, if that makes any sense at all!!
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, ChicagoI was just watching that "To Catch a Predator" show and there was a 56 year old perv on there who went by the name "m4pixeleen" trying to cut to the chase with a 13 year old. Lets keep it clean out there, people!
Posted by: Security Joan, PhillyHey all - anyone going to see Fagen / Snow w. Helm at Electric Factory tonight: I'm gathering people to meet up at Silk City Lounge (the lounge part, not diner, which is to the right/east) beginning 6:30 - 7 ish. It's just about 4 blks from Silk City, on Spring Garden between 4th & 5th - NW corner of Spring Garden & 5th to be exact.
Also - I have a spare ticket for any takers - my boyfriend can't make it, and it's paid for. So write back or drop at Silk City if interested.
Posted by: Gaucho, NLThanks, but I was looking for a little more info on the venue itself. (Moondog??)
Posted by: steely dana, vaGaucho:
Scroll back to a post by "Moondog" on March 25. He lives very near the Padova venue and describes where it is.
Hope this is helpful.
Posted by: Gaucho, NetherlandsI'm confused...... The gig near Padova, is it in Villa Contarini or Anfiteatro Camerini (can't find any useful pics of the latter on the web)???
Or is the Anfiteatro Camerini in the Villa Contarini?? I'm trying to find out what the setting is, it looks like a grand palazzo.......... Can anybody verify, please??
If the vibe is anything like the Lucca gig I'm certainly not missing it
With 4 nights in Italy, they must have enjoyed Lucca themselves (it being their first ever Italian gig).
Cheers,
Posted by: Lutz, SFthis is a funny article about 80's bands reuniting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturecritics/neilmccormick/5056814/Eighties-rock-bands-just-keep-on-coming-back.html
Steely Dan falls in that catgory, like it or not.
at a much higher level but in the industry that doesn't mean much.
Donald said it when he mentioned that the Eagles have all these vacation homes from touring.
Of course he was kidding, only a little...
Good for the fans, glad they are still out there.
Posted by: fezzie, out thereHAPPY B-DAY FIFEY....FEZZIE
Posted by: Yer Gold Teeth II, Gina -
Who the heck is "Adolf"? I've looked at the last few days posts and can't find it.
Posted by: Gina/Mizar5, Gaza Sderot Sun Mountain(sorry Hoops for the next 5 sentences:)
to 'Adolf': if you're able to see my posts, you must be in my friends list where you, obviously, have no reason to be, given your post here. be a man and send me a personal message in Facebook or by email if you have the balls for it. i bet you don't! and by using this Adolf handle here, you insult a whole lot of people. sad.
those cartoons, by the way, are made by DIE HARD Steely Dan fans. they are very much entitled to their own ways of expressing their admiration and interpretation of the music and its conveyors. it's what creativity and (sub)culture is all about :-) it also shows there are all kinds of fans and that no fan is better than another, that is simply impossible, to be 'a better' or 'the best' fan.
i'm organizing a fundraiser and music event on behalf of Music for Gaza, a Dutch music project that helps to rebuild the music school for the Palestinian children (Gaza Music School is founded by a UK foundation, A.M. Qattan Foundation and the Qattan Center for the Child that has the largest children's library in the Arab world) and create and develop music and music therapy projects. one of the musicians we had invited and who accepted enthusiastically and who will probably join us at a Jazz4Gaza event later this year or beginning of 2010, is an Israeli/Jewish rapper by the name of Sagol 59. He was influenced by Steely Dan and Frank Zappa a lot. interesting music he makes and a very nice level-headed guy. where politics fail, music can make a difference for sure!
Posted by: mikethebaker, outside phillyYes, there is a facebook group for people who are going. Its called
"Pre 3/28 Electric Factory Gathering"
Im sure there will be a few of us going to the Silk City on Spring Garden just a couple blocks away from the Electric Factory. Im at
mikethebaker@verizon.net
Posted by: steely dana, vaAnyone going to the Levon Helm Band, with Donald Fagen and Phoebe Snow, show in Philly tomorrow night ??
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThey were the same people who often ask something like, "How many dozens of times are you going to hear Steely Dan play 'Rikki Don't Lose That Number'?"
Posted by: Turn your radio, DownHoops, any idea if Steeleye Span is going to cancel their April dates in England since Dan died?
http://steeleye.freeservers.com/gigs.htm
Posted by: hoops, chicago, where jimmy kimmel is delayed by an hour to allow for a second run of today's oprahThe band on Jimmy Kimmel is playing Black Friday as they cut to the commercial break.
I had three people contact me, upset that someone from Steely Dan was dead. I deadpanned with authority, "England Dan is not the same as Steely Dan."
I wait all night for calls like these.
Back from the commercial break with Black Friday.
Posted by: Fife, Bal'more, ehthanks for the birtday wishes! I hope you all have started saving your pennies, I know I have. Summer is coming whoohoo.
Posted by: smashed mouth, Parma (non Cremona, Italia), OHToday, Muzak in McDonald's McCafe (off Starbux for now) caught my ear. It was unmistakably Steve Harwell's vocals and Smash Mouth's trademark wah wah guitars and shagadelic keyboards.
A closer listen, as I got under a speaker and tried to shut out the Din, Smash Mouth was covering Do it Again!!!
Some Internet research revealed that Smash Mouth DID indeed cover it as a deep cut on the Me, Myself and Irene soundtrack.
Always liked those guys--now I know why. And any band that covers the Dan, by definition, has GOT to be good--like Joe Jackson, for instance....
Posted by: Bobbo, listening to "Soldier in the Rain" again...No doubt, many of you have heard me expound on that mid-70s "love/mellow/disco" stuff that I've loved since I was a wee boy. Paul Davis, Loggins/Messina, Player, Ambrosia, and England Dan and John Ford Coley...
It's a highly impressionable age, those years between 8 and 13, if you're lucky enough to be exposed to a "pop" music market that includes balladeers, singer/songriters, true Rock n' roll, jazz/ rock, "crossover" country, and the like. I've still carried a lot of that music with me, especially since the technology has allowed me to load it conveniently into my WMP and just let it shuffle on.
When I was stuck in mainstream Top 40 Country radio in the late 80s and early 90s, there were bands that made it easier to stand that crazy music--many of the artists still appeal to my sensibilities as well as anything out there today: the Bellamys, Buffett, Foster & Lloyd, Chris Hillman's Desert Rose Band, Rodney Crowell and the like were all so welcome to me in those days, being handcuffed to the format as I was.
None of that would have been possible, I don't think, without established country artists who pushed that envelope as far back as the late 70s: Eddie Rabbitt, Ronnie Milsap, Kenny Rogers (and 1st Edition), and Dan Seals were all very early in doing that "thing," whatever it was, as opposed to the Outlaw, roughish class of crossover that "kids" today know as Red Dirt music (in case you're offended by my non-mention of the "other" pioneers like the Eagles and Poco, Jerry Jeff Walker and Emmylou).
I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Seals at a show in Nocona in '91 or '92; he played his sax for "Bop", and played the England Dan classic "Love is the Answer" alone, with a single spot and an acoustic guitar. I recorded liners for KLUR, and still have them on a little reel around here, somewhere...the man was a careful, capable smith of melodies and lyrics that I had appreciated for many years. He was also so very gracious to be performing (even for a crowd of just shy of 800), and so very accessible to us "little fish" representing the local media.
Songs like "They Rage On", "Meet Me in Montana", and "My Old Yellow Car" were considered mainstream Country, at the time, but...still quite well-done. That, friends, is not easy to do.
And he played, technically, quite a catchy-soulful saxophone on many of those tracks, from the 70s to the mid-90s. "Pop" music has lost an awfully accomplished practitioner.
Okay,
Bobbo
Posted by: Gretchen, Cheers!Hi Fife, hope your birthday was wonderful! Have a great time in Florida, I'll talk to you soon.
G
Posted by: Denise, HinktownHappy birthday, Fife! Hope to see you this summer.
Posted by: Woodman, FrozenHappy 21st Birthday Fife!
Posted by: Sad, oRIP England Dan.
Posted by: steely dana, vaSteely Dan in Monaco in July ??!!
They are certainly going to be living the high-life on the tour this year !!
Posted by: Chan, BostonHappy Birthday Fife!! Have a great day.
Chan
Posted by: Rajah, No, Beast, this thread has nothing to do whatever with Libby, just the collaboration of Levon Helm and Donald. And, of course, the great legacy of The Band.
Posted by: T, AVIGNONHi to everybody on the bluebook !
Not a rumor...
Thanks to Eric from Nice !
Steely Dan
july 12 2009
Sporting Monte Carlo
Monaco
Et, bien sûr, un grand merci à S.A.S Stéphanie, Caroline, Albert pour accueillir Donald et Walter.
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, The Mountains Above NYCBoston Rag: Wow. Mission Hill. I lived between the Brigham Circle and Roxbury Crossing stops on the T. Went to Emerson - graduated 20 years ago. I used to host The Fusebox on WERS. This was mostly an electric jazz (fusion) show I would always sneek in Aja, Deacon Blues. I used to play Jeff Beck, Chick Corea, Al DiMeola, Jean-Luc Ponty, mahavishnu, FZ, Miles Davis, much Pat Metheny and many more.
Great times in Boston.
Stage Fright is my favorite tune in The Last Waltz, the lighting from underneath, Garth's solo, the power of the horn section. The Band at its best. Scorsese, too.
I'm assuming this conversation got started because Levon Helm was once married to Donald's current wife, Libby Titus, who apparently had an onscreen singing part in Awakenings. Right?
Posted by: Rajah, I'll be there without fail. Wild horses couldn't keep me away.
Parliamo subito.
Posted by: Moondog, Piazzola sul Brenta, PadovaRaj..
yes..a complete amazing set of circumstances..
If the Lucca 2007 show is anything to go by then I can assure you that they will receive a very very warm welcome indeed..no doubts about that.
As far as Verona to Piazzola sul Brenta is concerned..it's about an hours drive..max..(it's the Padova Ovest exit on the A4 motorway)
let me know if you are coming//we can meet up if you like..
Moondog..
Posted by: Bob Dylan & Richard Manuel, We carried you in our arms on Independence Day
And now you throw us all aside and put us all away
Oh, what dear daughter 'neath the sun could treat her father so?
To wait upon him hand and foot yet always tell him, "no."
Tears of rage, tears of grief
Why must I always be the thief?
Come to me now, you know we're so alone
And life is brief
Posted by: Rajah, Moondog, what a great happenstance for you in Padova. How many hours by car from Verona to Padova do you reckon? I'm really anxious to witness what kind of reaction Steely Dan gets here in Italy. On the surface it seems like their musical tastes are a far cry from Steely Dan's brand. I have met very few people who even know who Steely Dan is and was over here. Mostly just people who play or are in the music business.
Posted by: A Band Fan, Boston Rag -
RE: "The Last Waltz. Arguably, one of the best concert films ever made.:
It's only "arguably" if you're suggesting it's THE best concert film ever made - not one of the best. Obviously it's terrific.
DF
Posted by: Boston Rag, getting spring feverBeast – I remember Rick Danko playing in the late 90’s at a small, tough bar in the Mission Hill section of Boston. I think the cover was like $3.
Robbie is a fan of Donald. Robertson was the musical supervisor for a couple of Scorsese films, including “The King of Comedy”. Robbie got him to contribute “The Finer Things” to the soundtrack.
The Special Edition DVD of the Last Waltz is fantastic. Great bonus footage and enhanced sound. You pick up the film at Amazon for $8.99!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TNThe Last Waltz is indeed a masterpiece, but I think that the fact that it spends so little time focusing on Richard Manuel is a crime. Rajah, you are correct that Rick Danko sang Unfaithful Servant, as well as Stage Fright. Another of his great great vocal contributions was It Makes No Difference, which has some of my favorite lyrics to any pop song ("These old love letters, well I just can't keep, because like the gambler says read em and weep").
Richard contributes the floating falsetto parts when he's not singing lead, but his voice really shines on a few tracks, notably In A Station, Share Your Love With Me, Whispering Pines, and the two standout tracks from their debut album Music From Big Pink, I Shall Be Released and Tears of Rage, the opening track from that album. Donald has listed that one as one of his top 10 most influential songs, saying:
"Another Dylan song, from "Music With Big Pink," a record that really changed rock 'n' roll. Whether for better or worse, I don't know. Everything was influenced by it at the time. It was the contrapuntal, improvised group playing, plus the dynamics and harmonies were unpredictable and had kind of a gospel effect. The singing was spectacular -- three fantastic singers, Levon Helm, Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. There's never been anything else like it. It was on a much higher level than any other records in those days -- homemade and beautiful-sounding."
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, in the mountainsGlad to hear some nice acknowledgement of The Band. That Levon Helm is something else. I recently listened to an interview he did on Fresh Air. He nearly lost the ability to sing from having a specific type of cancer... not sure if it was throat cancer. He also talked about involving his family in music and about the midnight rambles he hosts.
I saw the Band, reunited sans Robbie Robertson, in 1985. They opened for CSN at Jones Beach. The show was good. I'd seen The Last Waltz at that point. Even at the age of 17, I knew something was missing with Robbie there. This was about a year before Richard Manuel took his own life. Very sad.
I also had the great fortune of seeing Rick Danko at McCabe's in Santa Monica. If you ever visit LA, go see a show at this place.
Very cozy, warm environment for a small gig.
This show was in 1997 or so - about a year before he died as well.
One of these days, I'll have to catch one of the rambles...
Posted by: Rajah, Mark, The Last Waltz was a small masterpiece, I haven't seen it in years but Scorcese really captured the essence of The Band there. So many voices, the themes of rural people trying to eke out a living, their tribulations, their pain, they communicated these snapshots to us. Like historians. And then the varied instrumentation, wow, it was a revelation. I never thought a mandolin and a small accordian could move me so much.
Posted by: Moondog, Piazzola sul Brenta .Padova"I recall, when I was small"
I live and grew up in a small sleepy town in northern Italy about 50 km from Venice and 12 km from Padova.
Nothing much happens here, except that we have the most magnificent Piazza which is the anticamera to one of the most striking Palladian Villas. A perfect setting for a concert, if ever..
I am a devout follower of the Dan since I bought Do It Again single when I was 10 years old, and have managed to catch then on a few occasions in the UK, and in particular when they came to Italy for the first time in Lucca 2007. A memorable night indeed.
Now a strange and wonderful thing has happened. My childhood heroes are playing right here in my backyard 8th July. I do not exagerate when I say "backyard" as I will be able to see the stage from my bedroom window !! Just amazing!!!
For your information. The venue is Piazzola sul Brenta near Padova, Italy..if anybody is travelling here for the gig and would like to meet or needs information please get in touch..I'm a local lad..!!
I'm still in shock
Moondog
Posted by: Boston Rag, Up on Cripple CreekAny doubt about the genius of The Band then you’ve probably never seen Martin Scorsese’s The Last Waltz. Arguably, one of the best concert films ever made.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: SS, Hong Kong, ehFrom Wikipedia:
The Band was a rock group active from 1967 to 1976 and again from 1983 to 1999.
The original group (1967-1976) consisted of four CANADIANS:
Robbie Robertson (guitar, piano, vocals); Richard Manuel (piano, harmonica, drums, saxophone, organ, vocals); Garth Hudson (organ, piano, clavinet, accordion, synthesizer, saxophone); and Rick Danko (bass guitar, violin, trombone, vocals), and ONE AMERICAN, Levon Helm (drums, mandolin, guitar, bass guitar, vocals).
Posted by: Rajah, If that was Danko on Stage Fright then it was also him on Unfaithful Servant. Anyway they were a great American band. Real country folk music. Hyper-sincere...I don't know, seems to me you're either sincere or not.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachBill, you are correct about Danko, as the voice of Stage Fright.
As you note, Richard M. sang on many other great songs by the band...Unfaithful Servant among the most beautiful, IMO.
Otherwise, Raja's post was right on the money. The Band was a force of integrity and beautiful music.
Posted by: Ol' Jawbone, Does any one else think the late, great Rick Danko occasionally looked goofy and hyper-sincere in his vocal delivery?
Posted by: Rajah, Tokyo Ska, brilliant arrangement. Somebody did their homework on Duke Ellington there.
Posted by: Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, "Walk Between Raindrops"Oooooooooooooooooooh, Saitama!
Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBiLqBda6rE&NR=1
Posted by: littleguy, icy norwayIs it possible that the scandinavians could pull the rope together (for once), and drag Don and Walt up north this summer? I humbly ask.
Not so much for my own sake(I got my Rome-ticket),but my friend is becoming a father in early July,so I have to get him to a consert a bit nearer/earlier.Every contributor to arrange/give information of such a gig will be "rewarded" in Rome.My friend Thomas deserves a lot better than driving around in a Toyota forklift,listening to SD-treasures from bad speakers...(and a Pina Colada,my friend)
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatasteelydan.com is updated with one more show added...
Posted by: Bill from Pgh, Rick Danko sang Stage Fright. Richard Manuel sang The Shape I'm In, among many other Band classics.
Posted by: mikethebaker, outside phillyanyone going to see Fagen w/ Levon Helms Band on Saturday in Philly? I'm going solo cause my girlfriend and friends suck...
Posted by: steelydoc, near the BorgataReturning to Guitar Hero World Tour on April 16th is the popular rock band from the 70's, Steely Dan. This time around, the band will contribute one single each from three of their albums - "Black Friday" from Katy Lied, "Kid Charlemagne" from The Royal Scam and "Bodhisattva" from Countdown to Ecstasy.
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELSI just bought my tickets for Roma and Perugia. I saw that the link , at the Steely Dan website, to buy tickets for the gig in Roma is still closed. For those who want to go to Rome they can purchase their tickets at www.listicket.it. Good Luck!
Posted by: Blue, Miami SkyIf you're bored, youtube has some interesting takes on Walk Between Raindrops you may not have seen.
Posted by: TJ, DKSteely Dan Scandinavia - cancelled?
Today reading Denmarks largest music magazine I came across a fullpage ad stating that Steely Dan would be visting the Danish city Randers on june 17 playing in the concerthall Vaerket.
Unfortunately the same day a friend who works in a booking agency told me that Steely Dan had actually cancelled the date although it was confirmed.
Sad and also a bit strange. Did they decide to skip Scandinavia?
Posted by: Rajah, King Harvest is a perfect tune for Donald. Richard Manuel, who sang that song along with several other Band classics like Stage Fright and Unfaithful Servant was an original voice, soulful and truthful. Tortured as well, in retrospect it's not hard to hear his tragic end presaged in his readings. The Band were auteurs of true American music, home grown and nurtured, never a false note.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachGoing to a Midnight Ramble is something I just know I have to do, sometime in the next couple years. I have put it off way too long.
To have Don there would be a real treat...a bonus.
Posted by: steely dana, vaOh....to have been at Levon's Midnight Ramble in Woodstock this past saturday night !!!!!!
Must have been an incredible show....
Posted by: PGE, I'd rather be in Italy...Moondog:
The July 8 Padova date is listed on concert promotors D'Alessandr & Galli's site:
http://www.dalessandroegalli.com/dettaglievento.php?id=62
Nothing official on steelydan.com or any other site. Might prove to be a real date or might disappear like the July 7 Naples, Italy date that was up on steelydan.com earlier this month.
Posted by: Moondog, Padova ..ItalyI have read that Steely Dan have added an extra date to their Italian leg of tour..
to be more specific in Padova..8th July.which is my hometown..this would be a tremendous event round here..
can anybody confirm-unconfirm this..?
Robbie
Posted by: Boston Rag, March MadnessWow, one-time Fagen collaborator Todd Rundgren has sold his iconic 70’s hit “Hello, It’s Me” to Tums for an antacid commercial. I just saw the ad and I think I need a bottle of Tums. OK, maybe with the economy Rundgren’s stock portfolio is in the crapper but have some dignity Todd! If things get tough in Hawaii maybe Donald or Walter will take you in. Just don’t talk them into selling any songs from their catalog!
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, A report from Woodstock last night says that Donald sat in with Levon Helm's band at one of his "Midnight Rambles." Donald sang "Black Friday" and "King Harvest" and played piano, Hammond B-3, and melodica on for the entire set, which was heavy on tunes from the Band's early catalog.
27 songs, and almost three hours of music in a tiny, 120-person room.
Posted by: Dugan, HereI can't? I most certainly can. And will.
l.
Posted by: Michael, < -- that's meI have no idea bout that Gina, but I do know that there's a negative side to being a Steely Dan fan: The long waits between new material. It's apparent there's less and less good music being released these days. To diverge a little, I'll go site-by-site with artists to see what they're up to. Heck, nothing better to do.
Steely Dan: Whee, another tour! Still nothing about a new album. More 12-14 song set-lists I presume. In the off-chance that they perform new material, I'll be intrigued.
Jamiroquai: Let's see. Win tickets to see Jamiroquai in Malaysia. Wait, wasn't he supposed to have renovated his home studio about two years ago? If so, whatever came of it? Maybe he's suffering from writer's block. If so, what a waste.
U2: Who cares?
Stevie Wonder: It says his site is coming. What took so long?
George Michael: No word on a new original album, but his 'December Song' is pretty. In case you missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFIePY6LWs
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, Thanks for the follow-up Rajah. Currently circling the wagons and attempting to infiltrate The Steely La Cosa Nostra. I may never walk again.
Purple chick wahh ???
Posted by: Adolf, SpringtimeHere is Gina's latest facebook post:
Gina Vodegel says: Even though not so into Steely Dan these days, I did come across some interesting cartoons and illustrations...
Gina - If you're "not so into SD these days" shut the fuck up and go back to sending out your anti-Semitic emails.
Posted by: Jamie, The Golden (Plasticular) Paradise of La Jolla.....Long time, no see fellow Dandom(ers?) I am glad to see you have all made it along nicely...Just a small SD-related thought or two: I was relating a business travel adventure story to my little brother, and I was telling him about the mini blizzard that hit Seattle as I was walking off my plane. While relating the harrowing interstate driving trip story to him (post-airport)- I brought up how the snow was blinding me hitting the windshield (which for my Florida/Cali ass is a non-event to date)the surrealism of it all and I was driving into it when he interrupted me with a loud burst of "And I'm going insane, laughing at the frozen rain" which of course not only summed up the moment perfectly but also summed me up as a kick-ass older brother...and 2- those two lovely young ladies who attended the Pala Casino Steely Dan show last year- one of yous it was yous birthday- I would really really really like you to contact me through my business card or this site or something (cue fate) and get me all the glorious photographs you took of me front row with Donald 2 ft away and of course both of you were quite nice too boot and Yes I am the guy that shoooooshed you earlier in the show but come on you were babbling incessantly while Donald was singing and I know I lied about it later but what did you want me too say ? Don't talk in church, synagogue, mosque or at a wedding or SD show while Donald is singing and you won't get shoooooosed again....
Posted by: Gretchen, You can't do me...Turducken? The heinous creation of a very, very sick mind....
G
Posted by: bob, hi
Posted by: col. seawall, what the . . .?dudes get me the ajaouts, will ya?????
tip: get purple chick's revolver deluxe. i'm tripping.
it's like i've never been born.
Posted by: Rajah, The AJA outtakes have to be the most closely guarded secret in all the annals of Steely Dan. The few people who I have known who have come to hear them are bound to a code of secrecy tighter than any Omerta of the Sicilians. But I am told there does exist a version, an uptempo version of the song Aja that apparently is the bomb-diggerty of all times. I'd give anything to hear it just once. C'mon, Walter, give it up for us masdodons.
What could it hurt?
Posted by: Take, outOne outtake has different lyrics to Black Cow. Fagen sings "uptown baby, uptown baby..."
Posted by: col. seawall, this is a standing orderget me them ajaouts!
S
Posted by: web, searchHere's an article claiming Steely Dan concerts are sausagefests.
http://newsok.com/gals-dont-even-bother/article/3354656
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJThanks for the heads up. Got my ticket!
Posted by: Updraught, Philly AreaDonald Fagan, "special guest", with Phoebe Snow at the Levon Helm show, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, Saturday, March 28, 8:30 p.m.
Wonder if Jon Herrington will be there, too?
Posted by: Gee, I'm glad you're excited about the shows and all, Joey. But your post will make me cringe and think twice before I ever again use one of those computers at Kinko's. On the other hand, maybe you can only type on a Blackberry keyboard. In that case, I won't have to worry.
Posted by: M6 M5 not so Dan fan these days, here there but maybe Sun Mountaineeringhttp://www.alagram.co.uk/heroes/Steely-Dan.html
this one is very cool.
the other cartoon was from Dan Meth
http://danmeth.com/post/44839591/steely-dan
you can really see how WB is ... well... will leave it to your own imagination :-)
Posted by: M6, here there but maybe not sohttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1305/1061080327_6c81e5d0b0.jpg
did i read it right, just now, is someone actually typing with his penis?
found the link above, very Steely Dan or maybe not so lol
Posted by: Joey, " Casual Fan, there will be a US 2009 tour. "
I am now so excited that I am typing this with my penis .
JJJJJJJJJJJJJJOEY !!!!
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoI didn't know that the Dan are Monsters Of Rock (MOR).
See definition # 5: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MOR
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachTo further expand on Bobbo's post, many unthinkingly probably place The Dan into MOR for the reasons he stated.
But, in the article posted by A. Fan, Steely Dan wasn't called MOR, rather the author referred to Peg, as MOR.
Now, while I would never call any Dan tune "MOR", Peg is such a perfect pop song, it could probably be comfortable in many genre categories.
Posted by: Bobbo, trying to clarifyAnd,
Surely, most of us recognize the MOR "label" they stuck onto stuff that fit, literally, on almost any format between '77 and '80. Don't we? Bands like ORLEANS, AMBROSIA, and PLAYER did well, while everyone else either "went disco" (KIZZ, ELO, the Floyd) or just disappeared for 2-3 years (Van Halen, Supertramp, Journey, Billy Joel)...
It was a weird time, especially if your Dad never taught you to play G, C, and D on an acoustic guitar.
Am I right?
Okay,
Bobbo
Posted by: Bobbo, yes--Texas.Y'know,
I have sat in a room and strummed with Clint Black and Hayden Nicholas; they'd remember it too, because I "reminded" them of songs that Clint said were "great--lost classics!"
Between y'all and I, they were staple/standards by the Dan ("Rikki"), J.D. Souther ("Hearts Against the Wind"), and Stephen Bishop ("On and On," NO SHIT), and they all went over well. These boys were primarily signing autographs and doing cassette "liners" for KLUR, the station I worked for, way back in 1990.
I like Black immensely, as a person, and his stage performance is top-notch, for country or any other "pop" genre. And it's true, his 1st chart entry hit #1, in the Summer of '88. Garth peaked at #21, with "Much Too Young (to Feel This Damned Old)", in the same week. So, Clint is somewhat of a pioneer, although to be honest, Dwight Yoakum and George Strait mined that "neo-traditionalist Country" shaft to the very bottom, before Alan Jackson's "Blue Blooded Woman" peaked at #12, in 1989.
All for what it's worth, y'understand, and who listens to that nonsense, anyway? I'll take Asleep at the Wheel over any of 'em, any day. Selah.
Okay,
Bobbo
Posted by: The Road Less Traveled, If these guys are traveling down the middle of the road then it's a road they themselves constructed and down which nobody has ever navigated before.
Posted by: A, FanI can't recall SD ever before being categorized as MOR.
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2009/03/aftermath_clint_black_at_rodeo.php
Posted by: Rajah, RomaW1P's shows at the Canyon Club are special events, not to be missed. The Europeans are daft for Pink Floyd, always have been.
PGE - That lady covering Peg gives a fine reading on that track. That digitalized mess in the support is from hunger, what is that, a blender and a coffee pot hooked up to a synthesizer? But she's fine, sounds like Kim Deal of the Breeders.
Posted by: W1P, Agoura Hills, CAAll ya all from around the country and the world, here's your chance to enjoy a Which One's Pink? show live as it happens from the comfort of your own home! This Friday at 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, Which One's Pink? will perform live at the Canyon Club in Agoura Hills, CA. The performance will include "Animals" in its entirety followed by a set of other Pink Floyd classics.
So if you've wanted to see Which One's Pink? live but live thousands of miles away, here's your chance!
http://www.mogulus.com/whichonespink
Posted by: Rajah, There apparently are AJA outtakes, most notably a radically divergent version of the title track. I never got a chance to hear it. Perhaps one day like the Holy Grail, Excalibur and the Ark of the Covenant, it will come to light.
Posted by: mike, phillyAnyone near Philly? Walt Weiskopf is going to be at Lower Moreland HS with the John Fedchock Jazz Ensemble on March 28th!!!! I'm guessing tickets at the door, $10.00
Posted by: Lutz, SFCasual Fan, there will be a US 2009 tour.
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, Up in Them Thar Hills of New JoiseyFolks,
I know that talk about ROIOs (recordings of illicite or indeterminate origin) is limited here, but I must ask this question.
Those of us who are big time fans have rejoiced when we finally heard the full Gaucho outtakes. Remember when you first heard Kulee Baba with a full band ? Or Kind Spirit ?? What a rush.
Well.. I just became aware of an Aja outtakes recording. Does anyone care to comment?
Drooling in NJ.
Posted by: PGE, That Peg cover...Re: Yorkshire Tyke's post from Saturday March 14:
Nina Pellot's version of Peg is acttually two years old. It was released in June 2007. Still worth a listen and available for a spin here: http://tinyurl.com/cy4njf
For a newer Steely Dan cover may I suggest Archangel's Do It Again. Video here: http://tinyurl.com/dbdcwp
Whatever you may feel about cover versions; good, bad or indifferent, I personally think it's great that the music inspires new versions, new artists.
Posted by: Rajah, RomaThe Blue catches its breath occasionally only to come roaring back as strong as ever. We lie in wait for more dates over here...the Two have a pattern of taking themselves out of the limelight for a respite and, I guess, so do we. But we live, we thrive, make no mistake. We're not done yet, not by a long shot. I'm researching possible locations for our Rome Danfest, it'll probably be in a cave somewhere near Cavea which was an olive oil ranch dating from the 6th century. Steely Dan is stepping into the heart of the ancient world this time around, and it's high time.
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
Posted by: Reidar (Radar) from the Northpole, Allthough I'm overjoyed that SD is touring in Europe this summer, I wouldn't mind taking a trip to a "Right Bank Holiday Tour" or whatever they will call it in the US after attending six shows at Beacon and a wonderful party at Bitter End last summer.
I hope there will be some info on Danfests around in Europe when the time comes.
Posted by: To, Casual Fanhttp://www.waltweiskopf.com/performances/
Fill in the blanks between July 11 and Sep 25.
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoDid I mention that its driving me crazy that we aren't getting news on whether there is going to be a U.S. component to this tour?
Hope they drop by Ruth Eckerd Hall again. That was a terrific show last year. Great sound, tremendous energy.
Posted by: Gauchoamigo, North HollywoodHey, where'd everybody go? The Caves of Altamira?
Posted by: Lee Van Cleef, watching the bank at El Paso...Well,
Mancko, my man. Is it really you? Please send directions on how to correctly interpret Father Walt's divergences ASAP, would you? Hell, I really DIG that boy, and "Gaucho" was quite special in Dallas in '08, for sure...
Hell, Donald is cool as all getout, but...it'd be "Pearl of the Quarter" for me, don't you agree? Get in touch, bro. I feel like I'm stuck in that coffee-cup-billboard thingy again! And, to make it just the right bit more shaky for me, Indio is staring at me, listening to that bronze watch with those crazy eyes...and I'm almost out of cartridges. Help!
Do It,
LVC
Posted by: Rajah, RomaBobbo, my long lost little brother, how gratifying to hear you again here on our field of Blue. Steely Dan finally makes it to Southern Italy... can you imagine how stoked am I? Endlessly. The Cavea at Palco Della Musica is lined entirely in Cherry wood and the greatest musicians of the last 60 years have played thereupon. Italians take their music very seriously, we don't like outdoor sheds with little or no acoustics. This is a big deal. Now I must send out one single caveat to our boys, gently and with great respect: the one favorite tune of theirs is Haiitian Divorce. But not with Walter at the Mic.
Posted by: PGE, Euros to US DollarsBobbo:
Using Google it's as easy as typing the money in question like this
[amount]EUR = ?USD
and hit Reurn. Up pops the answer.
So let's say you want 60 Euro in US $.
60EUR = ?USD
Hit return and get the answer
60 euro = 77,38800 US-dollar
Posted by: Bobbo, awakening...Wow,
Has it really been a whole damned year since I've left the Blue for...meaner pastures? Godamighty, and pass-the-sociology.
I see some of my old mates about, and that is a good sign. Hey, does anyone know how to translate Euros into "Dollars US"?
Much like YourGoldKieth, I've just drifted back into consciousness from the strangest dream...They're touring again, you say? Wellnow, THAT is either good news, or the world's cruelest inside joke (inside straights will understand).
Okay,
Bobbo
Posted by: Haitian Tyke, YorkshireSilky-voiced Nerina Pallot's latest single is a cover of the Steely Dan classic Peg. The song was heavily sampled in the 80s for De La Soul's track Eye Know.
The single, produced by Richard X is out on 25th June on 14th Floor Records.
Posted by: kzkzkz, enwhyseeCatherine Russell
March 16th (that's this Monday)
Dizzy's Club / 60th street @ Broadway; NYC
Jazz at Lincoln Center - www.jalc.org
reservations: (212) 258-9595/9795
Sing Into Spring Festival Special Presentation
Posted by: web, searchChristoper Cross has a track on his latest CD called Deputy Dan that is about his one time ambition to follow in the footsteps of SD.
Took a ride on the wild wind
And lost myself an old friend
Don't ask me now if I'd do it again
Posted by: North , Way up northI got first row tickets for Paris. Flying down from the polar circle just for the gig. Just wanted to share that with you guys, cause I know you'd understand how I'm feelin. We'll be A.O.K
Posted by: Levon, likes his moneyI got an email from Bowery about the Levon Helm Beacon shows just a day or two beforehand. My first thought was that there was the possibility of an appearance by DF. Why not advertise it?
Posted by: Jayme, MDYea, confirmed, Donald did play Beacon. The Levon Helm Newsletter of March 11, 2009, printed:
"The Levon Helm Band Rocked The Beacon for two nights!!
with special guests: Phoebe Snow, Donald Fagen,
Joe Louis Walker, Catherine Russell and Jimmy Weider."
Must've been some baaaad jams. Geez --J
Posted by: Jayme, MD And now a commercial break:
Winter got you down? Can't jet over the pond this summer to catch Steely Dan on tour? Need an audio challenge?
Can you sit through more than a few minutes of an old guy, 74, singing who sings to the the banduria, the laud, and the 12-string guitar? Try it or be squarest on your block.
Go to NPR site and chase them winter blues away. Today!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101034642
Set List and upcoming tour dates:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2009/02/musings_leonard_cohen_live_in.html
Just a mention. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Posted by: Ringmaster Dan, Steely Dan Web RingHey gang.......
This is to let you know that the Steely Dan web ring is back up and running again. Started at CrickRock something like nine years ago by StAl, the ring is now at a new host. Our old hosting service, CrickRock, disappeared.
WOW web ring hosting service is taking care of us now. No, I didn't name it "WOW". Save your remarks since WOW isn't charging us anything.
Since the web ring moved to the new host a couple of days ago, eight sites have been re-added and more are in the process of being added or re-added. New Steely-much-related sites are encouraged to join the web ring.
An attempt was made to contact the owners of all 40 or so sites on the old ring. Unfortunately, some owners and their sites cannot be reached, or at least have not responded. I'll be requesting your assistance in a day or two in locating where these people and their sites went.
To see the collection of sites at the web ring so far, check out
http://www.webringworld.org/cgi-bin/ringlink/list.pl?ringid=605;siteid=0000
If you were on the old webring, you need to replace the old CrickRock code with "Wow" webring code.
The easiest way to do this is to go to our web ring's sign-up page and enter the appropriate info.
It's at http://www.flathat.net/webring.html
The same page also has a link explaining what a web ring is, in case you aren't familiar.
Check'em out. Good stuff. More to come.
--Ringmaster Dan
Posted by: cbi, delhithe new york times winner hari ajwani got an award for best reinvestment of drugsmoney into tiracol fort heritage hotel.the cbi calls him Most wanted drugdealer of 2009. the cia calls him drugdealer of the year. his base is nilaya hermitage arpora goa.
Posted by: NYB, futureworldHey guys, it's been a while. Just wanted to check in and let you know that I'm working with Donald and Walter on a new cd here in New York! I'm doing all the artwork for the new album and I just wanted to debut it here for you guys just to see what you think and get some feedback. Feel free to offer your opinions and suggestions as they are very much valued!
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8241/steelyskull.gif
I know it's a departure from from the past but we really felt that the next Steely Dan cd needed to reflect the new direction of the band. So... whattya think? Cool huh!
Posted by: last mall, noo joiseyhttp://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1883546,00.html?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner
Posted by: last mall, noo joisey
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Posted by: lol, liverpooldf lived in paris in the eighties thats why on the heavy rollers tour he spent a few days there he said so at the grand rex gig in paris 07 not sure how long it was though
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UKI can't imagine Don in Paris with a beret, stripey shirt and chain of onions round his kneck ! I don't think that ever happened. I've got my ticket for London 01/07/2009. Can't wait !!
Posted by: T. Meher, I didn't know DF lived in Paris either.
Posted by: Earthbound, Upstairs, peering outSo I had this f'd-up dream last night:
(From refreshing sdcom hourly yesterday?)
Looking for my danfan friends - some know
who they are - a short flight o' stairs
takes me to an overlook on a small stage
filled with vocal-harmonizing, brass-hoisting,
face-happy performers nailing a 70s SD tune.
But where's Walter?, and no Donald, shit,
better look further. I turn and go down a
long set of stairs and there's more Dan
sounds, but I don't see the lads again,
just another band...wait a minute...I hear
a larger volume behind me, through the
double doors. Entering, I'm stage-right,
10ft from DF and there's da Grrls!
How the fuck could I have been seeing The
Steely Damned, then the ReelyDan/Aja band,
and I even passed some solo acoustic guitar
player singin' another Dan tune on some random
staircase between stages, finally ending
up in the true orchestral space?
WTFO??
Ahhh...now I get it! Gearin' up for another
tour!! Holy crap, what're they gonna play?
I live for these days, guys, I miss y'all
a metric tonne! Lookin' fwd to it, again.
Keithout
Posted by: Steve F., Lol -
When did DF live in Paris?
Posted by: Lutz, SFThere will be a US tour in 2009.
Posted by: steely dana, va, usaHey DeaconBlue in Brussels......
We share the same birthday :-)
You lucky devil....getting to celebrate with Donald and Walter !!
Be sure to do a little celebrating on June 26 for me too, okay?!
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWell thanks Guys! You could have shifted the UK shows forward a couple to coincide with my trip back to the old country!! Rats! My school term doesn't end till 10th July, so it looks like I will miss the boat again this year. However, should you decide to head eastwards, there are some very nice places in Asia where you could do a show...Singapore for example (wouldn't you agree Steve!!), Bangkok, Hong Kong (SS, what d'you thnik?) or stop off and have a little break here in Beautiful Borneo - on your way to Oz of course :-) Come on chaps...don't let us down, how can we cope for 2 years without a Dan fix??
Peace!
Ann
Posted by: lol, liverpooldoes anyone think the left bank holiday might be donald just having a chill in paris as he lived there for a number of years and he loves the place and there are a few days vacant after paris so far
Posted by: DEACONBLUE, BRUSSELSI just bought my first ticket of this European "Left bank holiday" tour. Brussels, Forest National on june 26, my birthday! Life is beautiful.
Posted by: steely dana, vaJeff "Skunk" Baxter part of the line-up for a concert in Concord, NH on March 14 to benefit the Make-a-Wish foundation.
Posted by: SF Dan Fan, San FranciscoThis reminds me slightly of the Heavy Rollers Tour in 07, with a twist.
In that tour they started in the US with dates along the eastern seaboard and few in the Midwest. Then they hit Europe, Japan, Australia/New Zealand.
Maybe this time they are hitting Europe first, then Japan, Australia/NZ then back to the US with the Left Coast first on the US leg, ending in NYC with a few dates @ the Beacon. No extensive coverage like Think Fast where they played the Bay Area five times. Maybe one, hopefully at the Greek Theater in Berkeley (very SDesque). Anywhere but the Shoreline Pavilion, which sucks to high heaven.
I'm waiting for some dates in Spain, although they did not have any for HR07. One can be hope!
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoThis is utter speculation but ....
It seems to me that if it was the intention not to have any U.S. dates then the SD website would have said something. I mean, they know people are curious about it. If they knew there would be no U.S. tour then wouldn't they make note of that?
Just sayin'....
Posted by: Denis the Dog, Redditch, West MidlandsAny speculations yet on support acts? I know it may be too early yet; but I also can guess that Sam Y.'ll probably be on the end of someone's phone pretty soon...
Posted by: piratehatter, main stand enclosureYipee! just got two tix for me and my mate at the cavea auditorium in rome. Row F in the centre block about 12 rows from the stage. Easy peasy booking from a link given by a poster earlier on. You can even view the seats before you buy. Flights on ryan air out on 6th back 7th form stansted are about £50. Tried ticketshisters and all was left was row u dress circle. no thank you. Euro dates are so much better. caught the dan two years back in Spandau castle - awesome intimate open air gig. beats the appollo any day.
Posted by: mikem, LBI, NJtwo can wiki!
La Rive Gauche (The Left Bank) is the southern bank of the river Seine in Paris. Here, the river flows roughly westwards, cutting the city into two: the Rive Droite (Right Bank), to the north and the Rive Gauche (Left Bank), to the south.The Left Bank is one of the city's most romantic districts.
The Left Banke also made "Walk Away Renee" famous as well.
mike/m
LBI, NJ
p.s. the Amsterdam presale is limited;
here's some rough translation:
Boeking - Best beschikbaar
Booking - best available
Rang - Omschrijving prijssoort prijs aantal
Ring/order - description pricecatagory price amount (of tickets)
1 - staanplaats/beperkt aantal zitplaatsen: vrije plaatskeuze winkelwagen
- Standing places / limited seatingplaces: free choice in places shoppingcart
- Rolstoel-begeleidersplaats
- wheelchair escort seat
Posted by: Denise, kinda interestingFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Left Bank Jazz Society is a Baltimore, Maryland-based organization that promotes jazz in Baltimore. It formed in 1965, hosting a series of concerts featuring nationally acclaimed performers like John Coltrane and Duke Ellington.
Posted by: Little Wild One, to the ticket bastard weary across the pondAs Hoops and "others" have reminded us, do not despair if you don't get great seats on opening day. Some of our crew's best seats over the years have come the week of the show.
Yes, you have to have nerves of steel, as well as be flexible. A few years ago, we left a Times Square hotel to drive to Camden(!) because we got 7th row tix on TB the DAY of the show, (which gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "All in all, I'd rather be in Philadelphia").
That Camden show was unforgettable, btw.
Posted by: mike/m, LBI, NJthis is interesting, given the Libby Titus factor.
Anyone on the book headed to the 25 June Amsterdam show?
mike/m
LBI, NJ
>Date: Fri, March 06, 2009, 03:18:30 ET
>Posted by: The Madman You're Longing To Be, The Inside
>"Went to see Levon Helm and the Levon Helm band tonight. Just about >the whole show, Donald Fagen sat in on keyboard. Knew you would >have enjoyed it."
Posted by: bassicinstinct, NottinghamGot mine for Birmingham NIA.
Can't wait!!
Posted by: scuffy, londontried for Hammersmith but Ticketmaster online didn't start offering the tickets until past 0930 GMT by which time all the best had gone. I've seen the band several times in recent years including one time at Hammersmith front row centre stage.
sadly, decided not to bother this time. to sit near the back didn't appeal. it's the same band and no doubt a similar set list. had i been able to get a decent ticket would have been a different matter though.
Posted by: scuffy, londontried for Hammersmith but Ticketmaster online didn't start offering the tickets until past 0930 GMT by which time all the best had gone. I've seen the band several times in recent years including one time at Hammersmith front row centre stage.
sadly, decided not to bother this time. to sit near the back didn't appeal. it's the same band and no doubt a similar set list. had i been able to get a decent ticket would have been a different matter though.
Posted by: Matthew Best, LondonWell, the best I could get at 9:15 this morning was Row Q, and I had to phone Ticketbastard to manage that as they are still not on sale on-line (despite the page saying they go on sale at 9am).
Does anybody anywhere have a good word to say about Ticketmaster?
Posted by: The Madman You're Longing To Be, The InsideGot this message from a friend online, figured some of you would be interested:
"Went to see Levon Helm and the Levon Helm band tonight. Just about the whole show, Donald Fagen sat in on keyboard. Knew you would have enjoyed it."
Posted by: George, in ParisOh, to be able to go to a show in Europe. The last two times SD played Dallas, I was on Ticketbastard one-millionth of a second after the presales opened, and the best available seats were well back - last year not even in the front section. I'm not sure how long the Edinburgh presale has been on, but at 11:00 p. m. central time, fifth row tickets were still available.
If airline fares keep getting cheaper and the dollar keeps getting stronger, who knows...
Posted by: mikemLBI, LBI, NJhi all, what is the presale password for the Amsterdam show? i'll bi country june thru august, and really want these tix!
thanks,
mikem
LBI, NJ
Posted by: steely dana, vaHoops:
Thanks for the mention. These old brain synapses still surprise me by firing up once in a while..... :-)
Also, thanks for all the info-laden newsletters. It sure is nice to have a tour to chat and speculate about this year!!
Posted by: Jazzman, MarylandHey Duncan, thanks for the link man, got front row seats for Edinburgh woo hoo ! For some reason the presale doesn't work at all through Ticketmaster.
Posted by: Matthew Best, LondonThanks for the links, Duncan. But for me they only work for Birmingham and Edinburgh. Every time I try for London I get a "tickets are not available online" message.
Guess I'll just have to try on Friday morning.....
Posted by: lol, liverpoolthanks duncan just got mine for birmingham great seats cheers mate
Posted by: duncan, UKtry the following linkd to the o2 / livenation UK presales.
Worked for me!!
http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/promo/5wx516?brand=livenationo2&camefrom=CFC_UK_LIVENATION_SD_O2PS_040309
http://www.o2blueroom.co.uk/Portal/Pages/livenation.aspx
good luck
db
Posted by: Jazzman, MarylandDenis The Dog, you're a lucky man. I was trying to get tickets for Edinburgh and the presale is closed already, even though it was supposed to run until Friday. Damn.
Posted by: Forward Girl, RecklesstownThis is a couple of weeks old, hope I'm not committing the social blunder of bringing old news but it's worth a look in this quiet time... a little love on the music blog scene...
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/02/19/steely-dan-livesessionsradio-74-00/
http://www.theleathercanary.com/2009/02/basically-songwriting-is-songwriting.html
Posted by: Aerial View, Maybe today's Shoe is a tie-in...http://www.gocomics.com/shoe/2009/03/04/
Posted by: hoops, chicagoOh and I forgot one really big thing in the new Digest:
CrickRock, our home for the webrings during the past nine years or so has gone belly-up. Webmasters of SD-related web sites should look for info on our new webring in the next day or so.
Thanks!
Jim
Posted by: hoops, chicagoSteely Dana--
You're dead on about the tour name.
Sure beats "Sugartooth McDan-whatevah".
Oh yeah,
Dandom Digest for Feb 14-28 and March 1-3 were sent out in the past 72 hours; in a few hours, look for a short one dated Mar 4 announcing the tour dates at SD.com and to sign up for the SD newsletter.
Jim
Posted by: Denis the Dog, Redditch, West MidlandsJust bought tickets to see the DAN at the NIA Academy in Brum. Couldn't belive it: Got them on 02 Pre-sale; HA! I'm so psyched!
Posted by: Matthew Best, LondonSo allegedly there is some sort of pre-sale for tickets, but as far as I can tell you can only actually buy tickets for the Edinburgh and Birmingham dates. Does anybody know how to get tickets for Hammersmith before Friday morning?
Posted by: fezzie, bostonWell,it had to happen!Let it never be said that the boy's don't know where there bread will be buttered in 2009.This is not to say that i blame them.The value of a euro tour far outweighs the value of a U.S tour.More power to them.Based on current valuations it makes perfect sense.it's easy for me to say because i know they will play N.Y.C and Boston and other eastcoast venues and the usual westcoast arenas.It would appear to me at this time that their will be less in regard to previous american stops.Just my opinion,nothing sinister intended.Here's looking forward to a great tour filled with new surprises for us all!!!...Fezzie
Posted by: steely dana, 3 more dates just added to tour over at SD.com
Wonder if the name of this year's tour is some typically cryptic Fagen/Becker reference to the current wretched financial situation??
just a thought.......
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UKSteelyDoc:
Now heard back from the person from whom the Aintree info came.
I think it may be a case of "over excitement" on their part and it may well relate to the 2007 dates.
My bad.
Posted by: Seb, NHEventim was listing this date for Berlin but it appears to have been cancelled already??
Friday June 19, 2009
Tempodrom
Berlin, Germany
http://www.eventim.de/cgi-bin/tinfo.dll?id=VNY_NO_SESSION&fun=TSearch&doc=funktion%2Ffun_suc&kudoc=funktion%2Ffun_suc_kue&fuzzy=yes&sort_by=score&key=Steely+DAn&I15.x=0&I15.y=0
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatathese dates are showing up at ticketmaster.ie :
Steely Dan
Edinburgh Playhouse
Edinburgh
Sun 28/06/09
Steely Dan
NIA Academy
Birmingham, West Midlands
Mon 29/06/09
Steely Dan
HMV Hammersmith Apollo
London
Wed 01/07/09
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK
SteelyDoc:
I'll check that with the person from whom the info came and I'll post again as and when I find out the situation.
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatathat Liverpool date is from 2007....it's still listed on some European Live Nation sites for some reason, along with 2006 SD dates...
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TNMichael Leonhart played the organ part on Night by Night back in 2000.
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Can't stop myself..Aintree? This river don’t go to Aintree.
Posted by: Hutch, Jeff Young is touring with Jackson Browne this summer according to Jeff's website. Browne's site makes no mention of the band members. Guess it's all about JB.
Posted by: The Madman You're Longing To Be, FL3 things of interest:
1) the fact that the tour is called left bank holiday makes me feel like it's a europe-only thing, since the left bank is in paris. anyone else feel that way?
2) no carolyn leonhart on back vocals again makes a boy sad :(
3) interestingly, michael leonhart is listed as "Trumpet, Keys" on the website even though jim beard is on this tour. i'm almost positive he's never played keys on a tour but i could be wrong...can anyone verify?
Posted by: bassicinstinct, Nottingham UK6th July 2009: Aintree Pavilion, Liverpool, UK
Posted by: steelydoc, near the BorgataJim Beard added to the SD '09 touring band!!! And 3 lovely ladies on backing vocals!!!
http://www.steelydan.com/2kband.html
Posted by: duncan, UKI've got some, BRING ON THE SUMMER!!
Posted by: Franco, Rome, ItalyTckets for Rome show 6/7/2009 on sale now!
http://www.listicket.it/dettaglio.php?lang=IT&idOrganizzazione=113&idProdotto=12483
Posted by: duncan, UKLheads up
pre sale starts today
Edinburgh Playhouse
Edinburgh Sun 28/06/09
Steely Dan NIA Academy
Birmingham, West Midlands Mon 29/06/09
Steely Dan HMV Hammersmith Apollo
London Wed 01/07/09
Posted by: PGE, It's on! steelydan.comJul 02 - Paris, France - Olympia | on sale March 9
Jul 06 - Rome, Italy - Cavea Auditorium | on sale March 6
Jul 07 - Naples, Italy - Arena Flegrea | on sale March 6
Jul 09 - Milan, Italy - Arena Civica | on sale March 6
Jul 11 - Perugia, Italy- Umbria Jazz Festival | on sale March 6
More dates to follow!
Posted by: Homer, SpringfieldWoo Hoo.
Posted by: SF Dan Fan, San FranciscoThe Think Fast Tour was only in the USA and lasted all Summer 2008.
It looks like the boys are taking the show to Europe. Maybe they'll head to Asia afterwards. Lots o' cash to be made.
What are the chances of a few US dates at the end?
Posted by: Craig B, See you there Doc
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatapresale starts Thursday for Amsterdam:
http://www.livenation.nl/artist/getArtist/artistId/4378/
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatagot a Google Alert this morning about:
Steely Dan Left Bank Holiday Tour 2009:
June 25 - Heineken Music Hall - Amsterdam
http://www.evenementnieuws.nl/nieuws/10209/Steely+Dan+voor+een+concert+naar+Amsterdam.html
Posted by: Dirk, GermanySteely Dan, 25.06.09, Amsterdam as per http://www.nu.nl/muziek/1926323/steely-dan-naar-amsterdam.html
Posted by: Manolos, Thanks Dean.
Good luck to you.
Posted by: PGE, Apples! Big!So how did Michael Leonhart do at Joe's Pub Friday evening? What was played? Anyone here attend?
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachManlos,
I really don't have an educated opinion about Dawkin's stuff. Selfish Gene was relatively new, controversial, and fairly popular when I was in grad school, and I recall some discussions about it, at the time, in a couple of classes. I never read the entire book. I think I read some excerpts and some analysis, at the time.
I think my lasting impression was, he did a poor job of naming the gene. "Selfish" doesn't really cover the concept.
I know there was a flare up of interest in Dawkins' stuff, more recently, and it is looked upon in a much better light, than it was back then...at least that's the impression I get. (I'm thinking of doing some teaching next year, at a local college, but it's clear I have forgotten WAY too much. I may have to go back to school, myself, for a while.)
:#)
Zeus, blue/blueish...either works for me. If we go with blue, my analysis becomes even more shallow than before, if that's even possible.
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatanot really tangential, but kinda fun...click on the different boxes for different DLR sounds...
http://thetyser.com/
Posted by: steely dana, vaNew book out, titled "Searching for Steely Dan",by Rick Goeld,
about a 29 year old New Yorker, obsessed with SD, aspiring writer; marriage on the rocks, etc. etc.
Sound like anyone we know ? :-)
Mediocre reviews on amazon.
Posted by: Rajah, So Steely Dan comes to Perugia in July..., the jewel of Etruria, are these guys following me around or what, I can't seem to shake them...
But the venue I really hope they hit is the ancient Roman amphitheatre at Verona, Pavarotti's favorite. If Jim Beard is along, I know where he can rent a pretty decent grand. E viva Steely Dan.
Pretzel Logic did set the blue lazuli genre en fuego but Chain Lighting wasn't weak either. What's this I read, it's NOT about der Fuehrer? Lies, Walter, mendacity.
Posted by: Manolos, Dean -
How do you generally feel about Dawkins' works?
Manolos
Posted by: hail zeus, or alan haledude deano. lapis is blue. nothing ish about it.
and boy that list of concert rules is right on!!!
hz
Posted by: Surfin, YoutubeBirthday present for Walter. Where were girls like this when I was in high school? They all liked Bon Jovi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEVYBQ8HT8I&feature=channel
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachMinolo,
Yes it has, but that doesn't mean it can't be brought up, again, as far as I know. Walter even talks about that book in some interviews. I'm always a little surprised when the interviewer doesn't know anything about it.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachYes, lapsis lazuli is a blueish gemstone...blue-ish. Again, this is a surface interpretation, but he is saying Fagen's vocals were great on Pretzel Logic, which turned [what was being passed off as] the blues [at the time] on it's head.
If I recall correctly, in the 70's there was a lot of stuff, that presented itself as, or was labeled "blues". Southern rock "blues?", English rock "blues", fusion "blues"...blue-ISH.
I really didn't think that deeply about it, as I simply assumed he used lazuli for a replacement of blues...as he had just used "blues" in the sentence, and I think he is referring to altered blues...not legit/classic blues.
Again, I might be wrong, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Posted by: Minolo, Has it already been stated here on The Blue that Walter "borrowed" the title "Selfish Gene" from author Richard Dawkins?
Posted by: Rajah, Well, yeah, Dean but further investigation reveals a certain, "lapsis lazuli," apparently a bluish colored precious gemstone with gold highlights. What does this have to do with Pretzel Logic? We can only ponder. I know something about the blues, Chicago Blues and Delta Blues. Lazuli Blues...well, I'm at a loss.
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!Raj,
I may not be reading enough into the use of "lazuli", but I read it as another say to say "blues". Perhaps he means it to refer to the "blues" as interpreted by the popular musicians of the day.
Posted by: hey miley . . ., show use your . . . . . . 10 Commandments of concert going
By KEVIN O'HARE
The guy to my left has his cell phone ringing and the couple to my right has taken about 200 pictures of the two of them with the stage in the background. The woman in back of me has been texting her friends through the whole show and that pie-eyed person in front of me just puked.
Welcome to the wild, wonderful world of concert-going, 2009.
You might say that crazy things have always gone on at concerts and you'd probably be right. There were always people at shows who were there to get lucky, get high or do anything other than listen to the music.
But it's worse now. Believe me. I've been to nearly 2,000 concerts during the past three decades and it's never been this bad.
The biggest problem is that more people than ever seem to be at concerts to make the scene more than actually hear the music. For many, making sure that every one of your friends knows you are at the Beyonce concert is far more important than hearing anything Beyonce sings. Getting the Carrie Underwood T-shirt, and wearing it to school the next day is a lot more of a status symbol than knowing whether the star was on-key or off. Showing your buddies the $500 ticket for the Rolling Stones' concert is way more critical than being sober enough to remember anything Mick Jagger sang after the third song of the night.
Being able to say you saw this band or that singer was always good for the ego. Admit it. But there was a time, in a land far, far away, where the concert experience meant something incredibly special, the real-time, soul to soul connection between artists and fans. A time when fans could recite the set list of a Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder or U2 show they attended 10 or 20 years ago, or at least recall the high points of the performance.
Things have been slowly shifting for several years but it finally hit home for me at a John Legend concert at Smith College a few years back.
While Legend was delivering a supremely soulful set, I looked around at all the lights flashing from the cell phones in the crowd. And I started counting. And I realized that hundreds of people in that audience weren't listening to anything the incredibly talented singer was delivering on stage. Instead they were either taking third-rate photos with their cell phone camera (typically of themselves with the stage in the background) or texting their friends ("Guess where I am! OMG!).
That experience eventually led to this list of "10 Commandments of Concert Etiquette." I asked about 30 friends of varying ages to tell me about some of their own best and worst experiences at shows and they gave me some great feedback. You might hate it, you might like it, but if you've gone to enough shows, I promise you will recognize some of the people in this column.
1. Though Shalt Not Get Drunk or High and Stupid Before the Show
No one's against tailgating in the parking lot and no one's against people of legal age enjoying a couple of drinks at a show, as long as they don't get smashed and ruin the concert for everyone around them. I still vividly remember the guy in his 20s with the fabulous seat at the Rolling Stones' show in Fenway Park a few years ago. Totally wrecked when he walked into the venue, by the time the Stones hit the stage he was a slobbering idiot, falling off the extremely expensive 8th row seat he was standing on three times during the first three songs, tumbling onto other increasingly angry people in the crowd. Suddenly, Keith Richards seemed like a model of sobriety in comparison.
2. Though Shalt Not Arrive Late at a Concert and Rudely Demand People to Get Out of "My Seat."
This happens at sporting events too, all the time in fact. What's worse than the two people who show up an hour after the time printed on the ticket, and the guy with a beer in each hand makes his way to where you're sitting, pushes past a few people and shouts "Hey you're in my seat!" First of all, more often than not, you're in the right seat and they've got it wrong. But couldn't they at least be polite about it? They're the ones who are late! How about, "Hi, we got stuck in traffic, but I think you may be sitting in my seat?" It's a lot better approach and a lot less confrontational.
3. Thou Shalt Not Covet the Souvenir Tables More than the Concert
This is a particular pet peeve. Look, everyone likes a cool t-shirt as either a fashion statement or a permanent memory of a great show. Artists these days make a fortune on their souvenir tables. But too many people walk into venues, and before a note is played spend hundreds of dollars on souvenirs just so they can say they saw Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Martina McBride, Kelly Clarkson or others. Actually seeing them is secondary compared with having the t-shirt that proves you were there. With ticket prices as high as they are these days, the t-shirts, programs, posters, etc. are often a luxury. And they're not more important than what happens on stage. Remember, it's still the music that matters, not what you wear the next day to school.
4. Thou Shalt Not Get Angry at Artists Who Fail to Play Note-by-Note Versions of their Greatest Hits in Concert
Look, more than likely, they are going to play plenty of songs you know. They'd be fools not to. But they've also got to do a few songs off their new album because that's what they are trying to promote. And they also may want to improvise on some of the hits just a bit, so as to keep the show exciting for them too.
Concert set lists frequently trigger a huge debate among ticket-holders, a debate that is worthy of a lot more space than we have here. You do deserve to hear some of the music that you would expect. But you are by no means guaranteed that you will hear every one of your favorite songs just because you bought a ticket. And if you are going to see someone like Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Alicia Keys or Bruce Springsteen, who hardly ever play the same set list twice, be ready for some surprises. It's part of the fun.
5. Thou Shalt Not Scream Out Requests.
Don't scream out for stars to play their biggest hit the moment they take the stage. That is especially true if you're in a in a small venue where everyone can hear you. Most performers work from a set list and will play their biggest hits. They don't need you to remind them the second they say "Good evening Northampton." You're being obnoxious and you're actually risking getting the artist so angry you may not end up hearing the song at all.
6. Thou Shalt Not Use Cell Phones to Text Your Friends During Concerts, to Talk on the Phone During Quiet Moments or to Take Countless Goofy Pictures of You and Your Date with the Performers on stage in the Background.
This is the big one. It's all out of hand. At a Sugarland concert a while ago, I looked around and it seemed like the entire sold-out crowd was texting someone else, maybe someone in the crowd, more likely someone who was unable to get tickets. "We r at the show! So Cool! Miss U! Cya!"
Good grief. Could you listen to just a few of the songs for just a few minutes? What did they just sing? You forgot what they played? What a surprise.
As for the photos, a lot of people, including yours truly, love photos. Take a couple. Take 10 if you want if the performer is o.k. with that. But more than 100? Of you and your date AT the show? Give it a rest.
And while you are at it, put the cell phone on vibrate.
7. Thou Shalt Not Make Out with Date During the Concert
Bring it to a motel or bring it home. 'Nuff said.
8. Thou Shalt Not Stand and Dance at a Show When No One Else is Standing and Dancing.
This is one of the major great debates among concert goers. I seem to recall a fabulous "Saturday Night Live" skit on this subject years ago. Have you ever been in back of the only person standing at a show while everyone else was sitting? Have you ever asked them (politely please) to sit down? Have you ever gotten the response, "Hey buddy, I paid for this ticket I can do whatever I want."
Well you CAN'T do whatever you want when it means you are blocking the sight lines of other people who also paid to see the show. And if you are standing in front of a smaller person, a kid, or a disabled person, you deserve to be tossed out of the building. No one is saying don't have fun. Have a blast. Watch the movement of the crowd. If people all over the place are dancing, then it's fine to get up and shake your money maker all you want. And if they're not, but you feel you've GOT to dance, then try and sneak to a location where you will not be blocking anyone else's view.
9. Thou Shalt Not Walk Out of the Concert to make a Bathroom Run or a Food Run whenever the band plays something new or different.
Poor Walter Becker. The "other guy" in Steely Dan, equally brilliant but often in Donald Fagen's shadow, had the spotlight to sing one song each night during their tour a few years ago. No matter where they played, when Becker's time came, there was a mass exodus to the bathrooms. Give the guy a chance. Show some respect. When you gotta go, you gotta go, but don't be so obvious.
10. Thou Shalt Not Sing Louder Than the Person On Stage
You may have paid a lot of money for your tickets but that does not protect you from the yahoo in back of you who insists on singing-along (off key of course) to every song during the concert. Here's a reminder: Sometimes the emotional excitement does get overwhelming. But remember - people did not come to the show to hear YOU sing, and, just guessing mind you, but the odds are you are no Don Henley. They came to hear the star. If you must sing-along, do it quietly. And of course there are exceptions for when everyone in the stadium is singing like a European football match and Bono wants it that way.
Posted by: Rajah, Nice review, thanks. About three sentences into every Steely Dan review, you can tell if the writer actually gets them. What I didn't understand is what he meant about detonating the, "lazuli genre," with respect to Pretzel Logic. What is it?
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachHutch,
Pretty good review, actually. First time I've seen it, too.
Now, of course, the haters will have their say...
Posted by: Hutch, Here's a Morph review I'd not seen before...
http://www.jazzchicago.net/fagen.html
Posted by: Can't, Waithttp://steelydan.com/tour06.html
http://steelydan.com/tour07.html
http://steelydan.com/tour08.html
My browser is now configured to open to the thus far nonexistent
http://steelydan.com/tour09.html
Posted by: Jayme, Yea, Raj: Good ear. There's more on that album from Donald. Those boys Clarence/Butler, Jr. have been through a lot.
[ Sentence retracted at poster's request. ]
Posted by: Ann, BorneoMusic rip-offs:
http://www.1037themountain.com/pages/3892585.php
Scroll down to no.96!!
Peace
Ann
Posted by: PGE, to-tour-or-not-to-tour dept.Just a quick post to tell you all that Steely Dan are back on the front page as one of the acts slated for Umbria Jazz 09 (July 10-19 in Perugia, Italy.)
http://www.umbriajazz.it/
The 2007 tour was announced in March. Will we get an official 2009 tour confirmation next month perhaps?
Posted by: Rajah, The ultimate musical instrument is the human instrument. Music begins with us, not any instrument.
Posted by: hz, appreciator of real musical instrumentsfuck melodica.
hell is the waiting line at the post office with a live (dead) duo of melodica and bagpipes.
raji, there is still time to change this fate.
hail zeus!
Posted by: Don + Glen, FOREVERMarketWatch article about Irving Azoff testifying to Congress that LiveNation + Ticketmaster = Nirvana for Fans
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/live-nation-ticketmaster-merger-can/story.aspx?guid=%7BC617E205%2D6FF0%2D4107%2D9389%2D23C4FAE19D75%7D&dist=morenews#comments
Hmmmmmmmmmm......
Posted by: Rajah, I Only Wanna Be With YouJayme, that sure as heck sounds like Donald on the melodica on that track by Clarence Fountain, pretty doggone good. I was in a small club in Rome last weekend where a guy pulled out a melodica which he blew into via a plastic tube rather than that reed thing Donald has and it sounded great. Little touches here and there...I really believe Donald learned about subtlty in accents from the great Victor Feldman. There's technique, I'm sorry, I'm begining to forget proper English spelling here in Europe, and then there's the uncanny ability to transmit the music. Don has both. Like Victor.
Susan, no we're not dead, and I really like Barry Manilow, he's so smaltzy but Daybreak, Mandy, others and other of his songs have a lot of underlying depth for me, I have to own. When I was a kid, oh how I hated him.
But Susuan, Dusty Springfield was a great artist, just marvelous with her alto voice. Christine from Fleetwood Mac, whom I absolutley adore, owes a great deal to Dusty. I wanna be with you everywhere.
Posted by: Jayme, More info. about Donald's current work with Clarence Fountain and Sam Butler, Jr.'s Steppin Up and Steppin Out album:
On the Fountain/Butler myspace website,
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=301201239
You can listen to one song that Donald plays on "It's a Different World." The song was written by Jim Tuillo and Jim Weider (playing with Levon Helm at Beacon March 5 and 6, 2009). FYI.
Cool, egh?
Posted by: Jayme, http://fountain-butler.com/bio.html
Don't know if this was on the Blue. I hear that Fagen plays on two songs and writes linear notes on this new album Steppin Up and Steppin Out by Clarence Fountain and Sam Butler, produced by Jim Tullio (Chicago) . I think it will be released on May 12, 2009, as found under "Newsletter" link at http://fountain-butler.com/
Another mention of Fagen and Gary Katz on Wikipedia as associates of Clarence Fountain and Sam Butler http://fountain-butler.com/bio.html
Forgive if this has already been aired on the Blue.
Great stuff! Jayme
Posted by: Susan, Happy mardi gras!!!It's been really quiet lately! Has everyone moved to somewhere else or does everyone just have the flue?
What's everyone listening to these days??????
I have in my changer Morph the Cat (the CD not the actual animal), Circus Money, Kind of Blue deluxe edition, the Very best of Dusty Springfield (Where did that come from?), Barry Manilow's Even Now remastered, and Pretzel logic.
Is there anything new that grabs people these days like a good top forty hit would 20 or 30 years ago?
I want to know about it. I think others do too.
Susan
Posted by: Jim McKay, Chicago
Due to some legal issues with regards to bootlegs , updates to the BlueBook will be moderated for hopefully what is a short time so such legal issues don't persist and end up shutting us down completely.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience. This is as a result of one ignoring the request that bootleg copies of recordings not be traded on the BlueBook.
If someone requests boots, please do not respond for the benefit of the rest of us. I hope to resume real-time posting in the next day or two or at least in the coming days. In the mean time, please submit your posts as you always have and they will appear shortly after you submit them. If for some unusual reason they can't appear, I will definitely contact you to make sure I correctly understand the post. All other information and our modest set of guidelines appear beneath the area where you post on the posting page.
Jim
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Happy Holiday, Ann!
The Dan doing commercials? No thanks.
I am thrilled to virtually never hear SD songs in commercials, too.
If they choose to go that route, it doesn't diminish the music (I suppose), but I am thrilled that they haven't seen fit to sell their souls for filthy lucre, to date.
With that said, the Schlitz story is hysterical.
Posted by: Jim,
Great to hear from you, Ann.
Posted by: Ann,
Hi All,
Been swamped with work recently, so not been around here much. I came across this interesting article about famous musicians etc "selling out" by endorsing products:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7901003.stm
eg. Iggy Pop endorsing car insurance (not had the pleasure of seeing that one - the networks don't reach as far as Borneo).
Anyway, it made me wonder what sort of products might our heroes endorse, apart from musical instruments maybe??
Eg. The Audi TT (yes, I've actually seen one! There is an Audi TT in Borneo! I whooped with joy when I saw it - the driver must have thought I was crazy!)
Anyone out there got any better ideas, apart from this obvious example?
National Day here - Happy 25th Birthday to Brunei Darussalam!
Peace to all,
Ann
Posted by: Jim,
Yeah, they probably could have those words in "Charlie Freak" but that line, as it appears in Cohen's "That Don't Make It Junk" illustrates the difference between an LC and B/F lyric. B/F lyrics are composite potraits. LC uses it as part of a spiritual allegory. Charlie Freak would take his diamond to the pawnshop; when LC took his diamond to the pawn shop, it means he sold part of his soul and is looking for redemption.
Posted by: George, in Paris
Here's a Leonard Cohen lyric, perhaps a little more obvious than wry...
"I fought against the bottle, but I had to do it drunk."
D and W could have worked that idea - maybe they did - into Charlie Freak.
Posted by: web search,
I know this link has been posted before. Irving Azoff discusses his strategies for marketing Aja.
http://www.cameroncrowe.com/journalism/articles/crowe_jrl_steely_dan.html
Posted by: J. Mason,
RE: I. Azoff: I wonder if DF ever called/calls him "Oyving" just for fun?
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Cohen is a guy I have always had mixed feelings about.
Actually, that's not quite true. As a kid in the late 60's/early 70's, I really hated listening to the one LC album we had in the house. I just couldn't get past the craggy, almost spoken-word, sound of his vocals.
But, as the years passed, I started appreciating the music, and the lyrics, in his songs. And, occasionally his voice didn't sound too bad, either. But, I'm still at a place where I respect LC's music more than I enjoy it. His vocals are still tough for me to listen to.
I'll have to give it another listen, someday, when I am in a particularly receptive state of mind.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Here's the WSJ article on Azoff:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123517105948436743.html
Posted by: 17:27:48, LA...we're always late
Happy Belated Birthday Walter!
Posted by: steely dan, va
Big front-page article in today's WSJ print edition about Irving Azoff and the LiveNation / Ticketmaster merger.
Posted by: Jim, Chicago
As I've written about on several occassions through the years, if you love Steely Dan's attention to detail, wit and wryness, especially as on Walter's solo albums, you're sure to love Leonard Cohen's albums, especially his stuff from the 80s and 90s. Said Joni Mitchell, "I used to take Leonard Cohen so seriously. Now I think he's just funny."
If nothing else, check out his 1988 album, "I'm Your Man". Hilarious stuff. Incredible words. Great arrangements. And his 2001 album, "Ten New Songs" is the only album that came out in the 2000s that I still play pretty much every week since it came out--in October 2001!
"I had a very special communion with the daisies..."
Posted by: GusMahler, Long Island, NY
I'm currently in Dulles International Airport, and I just heard a pretty funny "muzak" instrumental arrangement of "Here at the Western World"... thought it was worth mentioning.
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower
hey kids:
I've had some computer trouble, so I haven't posted in some time...but I have to say: I bought the WB CD from Amazon UK, and the price was reasonable. It was shipped the day after I ordered, even though they said it was out of stock, and I received it within five days of shipping, which is not bad for an international shipment.
Dark Horse Dub is a catchy tune, and you get a little bonus pic of WB in with the disc on a separate piece of paper, along with some musings by Water on the back.
It's worth it to buy it if you want to have a complete SD/WB/DF collection.
ps happy belated birthday greetings, Walter, and thanks to Hoops for everything on the Blue....!!
Nothing short of a miracle
Run like a bastard
Dark Horse Run
Posted by: Lutz, SF
yeah,I'll pay 19 just for DHClub.
good luck to the cheapscate trying to show off his smarts saving a couple of bucks.
he'll be mooching wine at the next danfest, what a smartaxx.
Posted by: ,
From http://www.timeout.com/newyork/articles/music/30260/walter-becker
(heavily snipped, since I don't want to violate (c))
You alluded to giving the album away. Are you comfortable with the notion of it being traded freely?
I'm sort of agnostic on the idea. Obviously what is, is. But I do like the fact that there's more music out there and it's easier for people to get it...personally, if I like something, I go out and buy it, and in fact I buy it over and over again, usually....
So there's an ethics of supporting the artists.
Yeah, for me, it feels like a fair return for the good fortune that I've had...basically, I think we're in an aberrant situation, which was created by the record companies charging too much and providing an inferior product. And when you charge too much, and when the quality doesn't justify that price, especially, then you get a black market, and people start to sell it...Whatever shape it takes, it should be such that artists can live the lives of artists and be primarily concerned with writing....
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
I don't download albums, either, Jim. And, I don't listen to music with MP3 players, specifically, because I'm not crazy about the sonic experience.
But, I have downloaded a couple of individual songs (which is odd enough for me) that were in FLAC format, and burned them to the appropriate CD (with other stuff from the same artist). I have never noticed a difference in the sound.
I'd expect that, in time, Dark Horse Dub will be available, by itself, at a reasonable cost (a couple of bucks sounds about right). If it was available in a lossless format, I'd have no hesitation, whatsoever, about pulling the trigger on that download.
As I have purchased several copies of Circus Money (for myself and friends) and as I am likely responsible for the purchase of many more (through recommendations), I guess I could justify procuring an unpaid copy of DHD...but that just isn't me.
As for the discussion of that, here on The Blue, I can't believe that someone has to come here to do that instead of simply using Google. It really is quite easy, for someone, if they want to do that sort of thing.
Posted by: Jim, Chicago
In response to Chris's post from this morning, yes, of course, Walter's generous to the fans, very much so. But moreover, if he's willing to give away a bunch of copies, maybe he really doesn't care so much if such tracks are traded amongst hard core fans. I dunno. Aside from Casual Fan's very deftly written message, I've definitely pointed out the certain grey scales here and there in the issue. I just don't understand why some people have to be so public about it. As I've said before, don't make it my business by doing it on the Blue! Some of you must be the same who go around screaming "doses!" at Dead shows. Take it off line, get a room...for fans of a band that is so subtle and wry, some of you aren't!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Actually, the international version of Circus Money, with Dark Horse Dub, is only $13.98, from Sonic360 Records:
http://www.sonic360.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=sonic360&Product_Code=SONIC360CD19&Category_Code=M
Not sure about the shipping charge.
You can also download the album for $8.99
Posted by: ,
Just bit the bullet on the international release of Circus Money. $18.72. 1992 CD prices. Hope it comes in a longbox.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
Man, I am so jealous of you fans in NYC. I would love to go to that Michael Leonhart gig at Joe's Pub. What a great deal, too. Janie, please give us a review, after the show.
Happy Fucking Birthday to Walt and, of course, Gretchen. Hope it was smashing.
Speaking of Leonhart, dig this video of Michael (on piano) and his wife Jamie, supplying outstanding vocals. I've never heard of her before, but she really got me, on this one. I'll have to check out her album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pCpzU7Pp4
Enjoy!
Posted by: Chan, Barely on this side of no tomorrow
Happy Birthday to Walter and a pretty devoted fan!
Chan
Posted by: Fife, Baltimore, eh
Happy Birthday Walter and Gretchen!!!!
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NY
Michael Leonhart at Joe's Pub, NYC, Friday, February 27. See fun quote from Donald on website!
http://www.joespub.com/component/option,com_shows/task,view/Itemid,40/id,3869
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicle
Happy birthday, Walter. Thanks for the great shows and your wonderful CD this past year.
Posted by: Casual Fan, Orlando
While bootlegs are indeed so common that a legitmate argument can be made that policing for them is pointless, that still does not justify putting a community of fans at risk of not being able to chit chat as they otherwise would by posting some offers/links/proposals/suggestions, etc., on how to obtain them.
I just think people should ponder before they write and if they did they would doubtless come to the conclusion that a fan message board
is just not the place to discuss these offers/links/proposals/suggestions, etc. I think this is particularly true of fans of the Dan and even semi-regular participants on this board since, present company excluded, they by and large tend to be a cerebral bunch.
That's my two cents, which is really just common sense.
Posted by: steely dana, va
Hoops:
Sorry that you have to deal with all this crap. Amazing how one loser can ruin it for so many . Thanks for putting up with the aggravation, and many thanks for The Blue. We would be a very sad bunch of Steely Dan fans without it.
And, dearest Walter:
Happy 59th Birthday, Big Guy :-)
Posted by: Chris, nh
As others have said, its standard practice for international releases to have bonus tracks. In some countries, US imports are often cheaper or at similar cost. Also, record labels that are independent of each other operate with different release schedules, obviously.
Hoops' point about WB giving away C$ for free is a very good one. When is the last time ANY artist did anything like that? (I can think of one but I promised never to say their name on this board again).
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, On All Continents
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Posted by: Jim, Chicago
Of course a whole other angle to this is the story about the C$ CDs at the Beacon Shows last June. (At least I think it was the Beacon Shows.) Becker heard that out at the concession stand they were charging $20 for the C$ CDs and ordered them all given away.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
As many individual tunes from an album are available at a very reasonable price (usually about $1), I see no reason why, after a period of time, a cut like Dark Horse Dub wouldn't be made available to US fans. I'd pay a buck or two to get it.
Posted by: Jim, Chicago
Per's the real deal.
Posted by: George, in Paris
I should have added that I was able to order the Sara Isaksson and Rebecka Tornqvist CD from Sweden only with the able help of the good friend of the Blue, Per-Gunnar Eriksson. In the course of our exchanges, it passed that Per-Gunnar told me that "Per" is a Swedish form of "Peter," and not, as I'd hoped, some designation of Swedish Royalty.
Posted by: Jim, Chicago
"No name"-- wasn't a record company.
I have always suspected that they had a US record label for Circus Money but none for overseas until later, hence the different release dates.
Given all the whining, probably the best thing would be for such bonus tracks to be withheld and never released in the future.
Posted by: ,
- Why don't they just release simultaneously?
- Will the record labels ever get it? OK, I guess that was rhetorical. Bye bye record labels. We won't miss you.
Posted by: From cold winds, to tradewinds
As I have read about bonus tracks for not-U.S. release, the point isn't to make U/S/ people pay $20 or whatever for one song . I figure, as they probably figure, that only a few hard-core fans will see the bonus as a Must-Have. I think the bonus track is to give the international buyers a reason to buy "their" version even tho the CD has been out for some time in the US. When a release date is later in europe or japan, the labels or distributor or whoever want to give international buyers a reason to buy that later one, instead of ordering the "import" from the american amazon.com . if they didn't offer some bonus , large amounts of euro buyers may have already ordered the US version in the weeks or months of waiting. At least I think that's their reasoning, it seems to be a usual feature of later foreign versions
Wlm
Posted by: George, in Paris
Okay, I bit and ordered the UK release of Circus Money. I'm not sure what I paid - it was in pounds, not dollars - it was either $20 or $2,000. Up to now, though, my overseas shopping experience has been top-notch - the two Swedish women singing SD tunes was a real treat.
Posted by: Becker and Fagen perhaps?,Another universe
"I just went to make another album, all ready to pay $1.5M to make it. After tax, it's $1.9M! Might have to give making this album some thought...."
Posted by: ,
I just went to Sonic360, all ready to buy for $15. After tax, it's $19! Might have to give this purchase some thought....
Posted by: A fan,
When Fagen released Morph The Cat, the only way you could get the bonus track Rhymes was if you bought the WHOLE ALBUM on iTunes. No single track. No disc version until the box set.
Posted by: ,
Rajah -
Of course Walter's down with it. He did the same thing with Medical Science. Is this practice even common? He's generous with his fans, though; I'm not complaining.
Offering the track for 99 cents would defeat the purpose of having it be exclusive in the first place.
That said, I wish I could hear the track. It sounds great. I heard a snippet of it on Radio Dupree when it first came out and it sounds as good as the rest of the tracks on Circus Money. I may spring for the UK CD. Lord knows I've gotten my money's worth out of the CD I have. If it were vinyl, it would be unplayable at this point.
Posted by: Rajah,
I don't think any Steely Dan or Walter Becker fan who purchased the U.S. version of Circus Money should have to pay that price yet again for the privilege of owning a copy of Dark Horse Dub. It's horseshit. There has to be a better way for a true fan to get that extra cut. A weblink, pay .99 or whatever. If I didn't live abroad I would have never heard Dark Horse Dub. I don't believe Walter would be down with this kind of extortion. It's reprehensible.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoHey Tom
Thanks for the cease and desist order.
I emailed you twice that wasn't at all cool (to say the least) to request a boot copy of Dark Horse openly on the blue for any of us and yet you persisted. Most all of us have the US version of the CD and have even paid for a UK version. I even gave you my phone number to discuss this after sending my best "kid gloves" email last fall and then again this week.
What you did really hurts all of us fans. You saved yourself $14.95 and cost us all so much more.
It's a shame that someone can take advantage of the generous resources provided to them and then behave so selfishly.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachFinally got to hear Elvis Costello and friends play Show Biz Kids, and see some of Costello's Sundance show. It's on youtube, but I will link to the site where I found it, as it is from friend of the Blue, Radio Dupree:
http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/2009/02/elvis-costello-covering-show-biz-kids.html
See it before it gets pulled.
Posted by: suedave, easy tonightDark Horse Dub is the sh*t. Another song I like a lot is Brite Nightgown. Great groove. Both Dark Horse Dub and Brite Nightgown are about the same length, and have about the same length outros, give or take a few seconds.
The end of BN is unusual in that it goes on for a long time, very repetitively. I sort of like that, it is not something you hear often. The end of DHD is so much more interesting.
The outro, or shall I say the first outro of DHD gets me excited every single time I listen to it because instead of the song ending, it turns into a sweet extension that keeps us entertained for a bit more. It nearly turns into a new song while honoring the original. Even though I know the twist is coming, so often it surprises me because it sounds like it will end. What a thrill to have more! That's a classic example of what Walter brings to Steely Dan.
I just talked myself into spinning C$. That was easy.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachHoops,
Thanks for the heads-up on Louis Bellson. I hadn't heard, until now.
He was a very inventive and fun drummer. I will have to pay some attention to see if I can hear what you are hearing, from Keith.
RIP Louis.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThree stories from the NY Times of note to Danfans and lovers of jazz-influenced music:
More about the loss of Gerry Niewood and Coleman Mellett:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/nyregion/16musician.html
Review of Paul Simon's Friday show at the Beacon has some nice commentary on the renovations and what we can expect the next time Steely Dan plays there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/arts/music/16simon.html
I was listening to an NPR story on drummer Louis Bellson, who passed away over the weekend. Bellson was, among many other gigs, a beyond category drummer for Duke Ellington. When I heard the story on NPR, they played one of his drum solos and I couldn't help but think of the drum solos in the modern-era Steely Dan shows, perfected by Keith. the Times has a story on Bellson:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/arts/music/17bellson.html
Posted by: Rajah, Tom, Dark Horse Dub is one of Walter's best. So effortless, so unobtrusive. Ennio Morricone, meets Bach, as I've spouted before. It's hypnotic, one wonders what Donald could have done with this. I remind you all that Walty stated that unlike other, "words and music," collaborators, the Men of Steel aren't constrained to those strict roles. Donald, I have gathered, brings on most Steely Dan melodies but every now and then, WB offers up a snippet of something special.
And Dark Horse Dub is a case in point. Just haunting, and...well, brilliant.
Posted by: , Tom - search for circus money on http://www.amazon.co.uk
Posted by: steely dana, Okay, Sparkle......
give it up. what do you know about a tour in July?
Posted by: Denise, HinktownThanks, Sparlke,..hope you are well and we'll see you in July!
Posted by: Sparkle in your China, whatevaHey sports fans..looks like a tour in July....
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachWhile reading the Feldman article, posted by Rajah, I stumbled upon this:
Monsters of Jazz-Influenced Rock:
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=31981
Worth a look, IMO.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachRaj,
Thanks for posting the piece on Victor Feldman. I am going to read it ASAP.
He was an invaluable asset to those great SD albums of the 70's and to Zappa's recordings of the same period.
Everything that Victor played on was far better for it.
Posted by: Rajah, all about jazzHere's the first installment on the player many consider to have been the secret weapon of Steely Dan throughout their heyday, Victor Feldman, a man who I've only come to know second and third-handed through musicians and friends and family. He was a genius but more important than that, a man loved and esteemed universally for his great and giving heart, his love for his craft. It's a little long but, for those of you who care:
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=31383
Posted by: Michael, I'd wager that they've done some work together. I mean, that's a given. Since they've probably had their differences, it's more likely that we'll see another solo Donald album this year. You know he's been working on material over the past several years (he's a creative force). Walter just came out with his CM album last year, so he's pretty much done his own thing already, and then he was acting as producer for that girl. But if he and Donald were really working on more SD material, why would he break from that work to go help produce and write? SD would've been priority #1.
So yeah, a new Donald Fagen album out this year is likely. Between March 2006 and now, he's had plenty of time to work at his own pace. Everything we say is presumption, of course, but it's at least reasonable from a fan's perspective.
Posted by: Casual fan, orlandoSo I'm dabbling around on Google and come across this interesting tidbit in the vein of "Of course, that makes sense" sort of thing.
There is a thoroughbred named Steely Dan
Here's a link, http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/17/stories/2009021753341800.htm
Won't make you read it all, here's where he is mentioned:
1,000m: .... Former ended four lengths in front. River Pride (Daniel Grant), Highland Quest (Shelar) 1-8, 600/43. They ended level. Just Once More (Kotwal), Lucky Honey (rb) 1-9.5, 600/41. Former finished four lengths ahead. Nefyn (rb), Steely Dan (rb) 1-10, 600/44. They were easy. Sea Gull (rb) 1-8, 800/53, 600/39. Urged. Extraordinaire (Kadam), Triunfo (Parmar) 1-11, 600/41.5. They were easy .....
Found another link mentioning the horse, who won on February 26 2004 at 4-1: http://www.redpost.co.uk/results.htm
And perhaps best of all, here's his pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/steely+dan
Something makes sense about this. Look at the lineage --- Miss Jubilee, Grey Sovereign. And how about Battle Song and Double Life?
Coincidence you say?
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachWell, Chris,
Both Don and Walt released solo albums, in the past three years, so there is the finishing of the product, interviews/promotion...and all that. It isn't as if they haven't done anything in the past three years.
Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they've done some work together on a new SD project. How much is anyone's guess, of course.
Posted by: Chris, nhTo clarify, I understand not writing on the road, but they spend more time in a year OFF the road than ON it. One would think that, at least once in the last 3 years, someone would come up with something. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachChris,
I understand your point, and think there is some merit to it, especially when they have multi-day gigs, like they did in NYC. But, if you look at the bulk of their schedule, they really don't have much "down time", as they are racing from one city, to the next. And, while they have may have a few hours, if the next venue is close by, it just might not be conducive to the way Walt and Don work. I don't get the feeling that the boys "force it", or schedule x amount of time, every day, to work on song writing.
And, as has been noted, after the tour, they probably have some non-SD things they would like to do...like relax, for instance.
But, they have had a few months, so I wouldn't be surprised if they started (or continued) work on the next album. I just don't think we'll see a finished product for a couple years, or more...and touring definitely plays into that, IMO.
Posted by: LTF, Chris -
RE: Your last post: How about adding: D) They have lives separate from their musical ones and enjoy spending time with the one's of their kind (AKA: Family).
LTF
Posted by: Chris, nhI never bought the comment that there's no time for the two to write new material while they're on tour. I mean, do they wake up every morning and just not play their instruments? It's not like life's getting in the way from September - May. Here are some scenarios that I think are more likely than the excuse they've been giving:
a) One or more of them is experiencing writer's block.
b) They're both kind of sick of each other after all the touring.
c) They actually have been working on new material and don't want to talk about it until its ready for release.
Posted by: Michael, The touring was probably a way to both push the new material, such as the tour subsequent to EMG's release, and likely to make some denero which no doubt helped fund their solo efforts. Oh, and because they enjoyed playing live.
I wasn't thrilled to see ticket prices going for around/over $100 a pop and with shorter set-lists than before. As you're probably aware, people like Bruce Springsteen have been vocal about the price gouging that's been going on. Even more unfortunate was the recent merger between Ticketmaster and Live Nation. That's gonna hurt both the music industry and the ticket prices.
As there's been breaks for some time now, I'd reason it to mean Donald's had an on-and-off project which he could be finishing up. It seems more likely than a new SD recording anytime soon.
I've found that playing video games with custom Steely Dan soundtracks is a good way to pass the time. Nothing like screeching around a corner at mach speed in Ridge Racer while hearing Donald yell "PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG!" You get bonus points for that, y'know.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachHutch,
I'm jealous. Hope to hear a brief report.
Have a great time.
Posted by: Hutch, Dean - I'm going to see Tommy Emmanuel in concert next Sunday. This will be my first time seeing him perform and I'm really looking forward to it. He will be at a relatively new venue here in Richmond called The National Theatre. It's a renovated movie theatre from the 1920's. Good acoustics from what I'm told. Should be a great show.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachThat's quite a presumption, Michael. While you might be right, I wouldn't think that's the only, or best, conclusion one can draw from the lull in SD recording.
I'd guess the aggressive touring schedule has made it hard to collaborate on something new, especially when each of the boys had a solo project to do.
I'd be surprised if there isn't another Dan album in our future, but I'd also be surprised if it happened before 2010 or 2011.
Posted by: Michael, In the 70's they were releasing albums around a year apart with the exception of Gaucho which took longer for reasons we all know. TAN was in 2000 but took three years to make, and then EMG in '03 which they said was recorded rather quickly for SD standards to get a more live, free feeling, but that was still three years apart. Three years later, on March 7th '06, MTC was released. Again, three years. Walter decides to do another solo about which released last year (as they are independent releases, they don't affect each another as far as release dates).
They were trying out new material on the road when they reunited around '93, I think it was, with songs like Jack of Speed and Cash Only Island, which shows that they had written songs before '97. From my knowledge, songs such as Almost Gothic and West of Hollywood were made from material written in the 70's, so at least some of the work on TAN had already been done. But anyway...
1997-2000: TAN
2000-2003: EMG
2003-2006: MTC
2003-2008: CM
2003-2009: New Steely Dan album?
2006-2009: New Donald album?
You might recall from the main website in '05 or '06 (not sure exactly) that they were looking at new studio recording technology/equipment in Florida but nothing came out of it far as we know. Later, after the release of MTC, Donald said in an interview in Europe that he had 'discussed' doing another SD album with Walter but that he was working on another album. Huh?
Currently I presume that Walter didn't feel like doing another SD album, so Donald has had something in the works on and off for awhile now, and we'll likely see it this year.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beach
I was surfing Youtube for some Tommy Emmanuel videos, and came across this (not Tommy Emmanuel, unfortunately) version of Rikki:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPzEc68eWQ
Posted by: also, They did indeed record the plush video concert twice on two consecutive nights. The players, of course, wore the same clothes each night, same set list. Home At Last was recorded a third time immediately after the second show "ended". There are two things that are different between the Friday and Saturday performances. The camera boom was positioned on one side for one night and on the opposite side the other night. Also, each night's audience is different. If you pay ridiculously close attention, you may notice different people sitting in the front row.
VH1 Storytellers was recorded (once) in the same studio a couple of nights later. The studio was turned around. The stage area for Storytellers was where the audience was pretty much located for Plush and vice-versa.
If you ever connect with Pete Fogel you might want to ask him about it all. He was a consultant to all the tapings and was present during the rehearsals and all the tapings.
Posted by: Rajah, I have only one criticism of the Plush DVD. When the songs are played, they did something funny on the videotape. A friend once explained, and I really don't think I understand it fully, that certain frames are excised from the finished product in many videos and I've noticed the practice here in Europe on TV. It's a digital stream of pictures that have undergone a certain process, sometimes I've heard people refer to it as, "pixilation," which I'm not sure is a correct term of art but anyway which smooths everything out, I don't think I can explain it better than that. Maybe somebody else can. It renders the finished product a semi-virtal reality show rather than a raw live perfomance caught on tape.
Posted by: Chris, nhDean -- Pretty sure that's the version that was broadcast/on the DVD. They did two nights of the same set IIRC and put the DVD together based on that. I do have an audience recording of one of the nights, and the Gaslighting Abbie is the version not on the DVD (Becker's guitar solo, IMO, is much better, but Chris Potter stops playing in the middle of his for some reason).
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachBlues and Elvis,
That clip is from the Two Against Nature DVD...though for some reason the sound seems a little different on that clip...so perhaps it is an alternate take, or rehearsal. I haven't had time to do a comparison to the DVD, yet. Still, it is clearly from the same sessions.
http://www.amazon.com/Steely-Dan-Two-Against-Nature/dp/6305846464
Here's a review:
http://www.culturecourt.com/Ajo/media/2VNdvd.htm
While it gets mixed reviews here on The Blue, I have to say, I totally dig it.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThanks for the informative, albeit sad, post, "rip", "sad", others. Very appropriate.
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More than a couple of folks seem confused about what is and isn't appropo here...it is indeed very flexible within a healthy range. Many would do well to go to the second half of the page where you enter in a post for the BlueBook. I'm referring to the section entitled "F.A.Q., Suggestions, etc.…"
It plainly says:
"That's not to say, every post has to be literally about Steely Dan—no, no, no. Sometimes posts are totally about Steely Dan, while other posts don't mention Steely Dan but carry-on in our heroes' spirit of humor, musicianship, irony and hipness. It's understood that a little off-topic personal posting is good. But chronic off-topic posting can dilute collective interest. Then we all miss out on the Steely rumors and discussion which is the main reason for this place's existence.
It goes on some more. In short, it says how to tell what is off topic and what isn't. It doesn't even need a direct conection to anyone who has ever played with or has been referenced by Steely Dan. Read that and you will have a great sense of what is too off topic and what is not. It's all there and directed at no one specifically. It's been there for years. Don't be so literal...but use some common sense...a challenge for some maybe. Thanks!
What is too off-topic? How much is too much? Hard to say, but ask yourself, if people will really care to read what you ate for dinner last night or hear about your uvula. (I'm sure there are exceptional times when Danfans will care.) Extensive political rantings are a no-no."
Posted by: rip, Coleman and GerryColeman Mellett was married to Dizzy Gillesipe's daughter, vocalist Jeanie Bryson. Michael Leonhart is in Gerry Niewood's top 8 on his myspace page.
Posted by: sad, So sad about Gerry Niewood and guitarist Coleman Mellott dying in the Buffalo plane crash.
Niewood was an amazing player. Chuck Mangione's first band out of Rochester NY featured Niewood on saxophones, Steve Gadd on drums and Tony Levin on electric bass. They were a very hot improvising group and Niewood and Gadd I thought stole the show. This was well before Gadd and Levin went on to fame.
The original live album from 1972 called "Alive" is beautiful and raw, and out-of-print. Recommended.
Posted by: web search, keyboardTwo jazz musicians en route to play with Chuck Mangione tonight were aboard flight 3407.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29183838/
Posted by: Blues and Elvis, FLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKqE6jYfFnE
anyone know what the heck this is from? there are other vids in the series too and I've never seen them
Posted by: SS, HKI'm an unabashed Ben Folds fan, partly because he's always coming up with good ideas.
His latest one is (as always) really clever.
http://www.benfolds.com/acappella
He's asked college singing ensembles to come up with a capella arrangements for his tunes and then record them. He'll release an album of the best tracks.
I'm not sure our boys are the type to do this, but it's one way to keep great music alive and to give younger musicians a way into it.
The results are all over youtube right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7buEHU9nIDY
Posted by: hoops, chicagoNicholas: Please email me privately -- I don't have your email. Thanks!
Jim
Posted by: hoops, on breakThat's funny Denise!
(Doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo...) <---Music evoking the image of psychic activity.
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleNY Times article about the restored Beacon Theater
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/nyregion/12beacon.html?_r=1&hp
Posted by: hoops, on breakNY Times article on The Beacon's restoration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/nyregion/12beacon.html?_r=1&hp
The Modern Drummer poll closes this Sunday, Feb 15 --vote for Keith Carlock.
http://www.moderndrummer.com/contest.php
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoContinuing the TvN/Grammy debate, here's an article focusing on the fact that the award is based on industry votes, not popularity or sales, and mentioning SD in that context.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090208/ENTERTAINMENT/90208017
Posted by: My Take, on EMGTvN's Grammys mandated a follow up within a reasonable period. We know from interviews that it was in progress at the time of 9/11. It was the SD equivalent of a no huddle offense. Without the Grammys, I don't believe there's a new release by '03, if at all.
Posted by: Rajah, That kid is already a money hard bop jazz drummer with a ton of shpadoinkle. Left hand needs some work.
EMG for me was like a collection of snapshots or a collection of cartoon shorts. As always, great catchy tunes but lacking focus. Especially after Aja, Gaucho and 2vN. 2vN was a serious musical statement which said, chiefly, we're back and nobody but us can make a record sound this good. Don't try this at home.
Posted by: hz, king of the fukin worldi laff at sd new drummer.
he'd be good, but carlock already knows most of the songs.
i agree. mr donny, put out that live DVD!!!!
HZ
Posted by: kzkzkz, nnnyyycccNot sure if this great gig has been posted here, so here goes-
Feb 12-15 (tomorrow-Sun) sets at 8:30 & 10:30pm
Iridium Jazz Club (1600 Broadway @ 51 street NYC)
L'Image
Mike Maineri, Steve Gadd, David Spinozza, Warren Bernhardt & Tony Levin
Posted by: Fagenism, -Re: The Dan's album of the year grammy for Two Against Nature.
I am one of those Dan fans who considers Everything Must Go superior to Two Against Nature.
Having said that, there is more genius in one beat from Almost Gothic than the whole Radiohead catalogue, let alone that of Eminem.
And that is coming from a casual Radiohead fan. Thom Yorke has a wonderful voice and has penned quite a few interesting melodies over the years, nicely brought to life by demon producer Nigel Godrich.
But you can not compare genius with mere talent.
Posted by: mike, downin TampaSteely Dan's new drummer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/the-worlds-fastest-2-year_n_165782.html
Posted by: A fiendly reminder..., ...for all Sundance Channel viewersWednesday, February 11th at 9:00pm
"Spectacle: Elvis Costello with She & Him, Jenny Lewis, Jakob Dylan" - Elvis welcomes indie duo She & Him, comprised of actress Zooey Deschanel and M. Ward, singer-songwriter Lewis; and singer-songwriter Dylan.
Should be the show that opens with Elvis & the guests mentioned above performing "Showbiz Kids".
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachDana,
That is very funny. Don and Walt don't let those cheap shots simply pass, all the time. This retort was a beaut.
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, Rock and a hard placeok. you know what would would shoot right up my top 100 albums of all time? a 2 cd (better yet a hi def dvd-a) of all the tunes donald played on his solo tour. (well, you can leave out bright nite gown)
what would be better than that? (i know i know - tapes of cold play snortin coke in the ladies room of the hammersmith odeon)
he could just sell it through his site if he wanted.
of course, he would manage to screw it up by shifting the time, making the BASS drum sound like a clicky little thing and taking all of the fun banter out of it - but - i say go for it donny!
WD
Posted by: steely dana, va"Trivia Expert Deceased" article over on DF's website.
Unbelievable.........
Posted by: Little Wild One, Disclaimer-villeMy 16 year-old made the comment, Mike, so have at her, if you will.
Posted by: Mike, Coldplay is similar to Steely Dan? Who the hell said that?
Posted by: BillfromPgh, Re "You Can't Do Me" - I heard it once on the radio and before the vocals came in it sounded vaguely Steely. I knew MP had another WB/LK cowritten tune coming out and guessed it right away. Just found it online from an earlier post and I still like it. Has the C$ groove and production style all over it, especially the bass, piano and organ. Wonder who's on it? Wouldn't be surprised if it's some of our boys' sidemen (other than Larry, who I assume is on bass).
It sounds much more like WB or SD than, say, Walter and Rickie Lee Jones collaboration "The Horses" from Flying Cowboys. Nice tune, but I don't hear much of Walter in it.
The "gone gone gone" part reminds me of "Lucky Henry."
Posted by: prez logic, viva la Steely Dan
Add me to the list that does not quite get the Steely Dan/Coldplay comparison...And, it's good to see some of the "old posters" back...
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!Banyantrees looks to be still there, and cleaned up a bunch.
Posted by: Grim, ReaperR.I.P. Banyantrees.net
Posted by: Mike, I wouldn't waste my time watching the Grammys. What's the point in watching lousy performances of lousy material? They claim that album sales are down because of the internet, but that's nonsense. Anybody can see that the real reason album sales are down is because the music industry shovels out garbage. It used to be that albums as a whole were supposed to be great from start to finish, but the artists they push nowadays simply don't make good albums. In fact, most of what I've heard sounds as if nobody knows the first thing about songwriting/compositional technique, let alone arranging, mixing and mastering (everything is BLARING past 0dB, thereby eliminating the contrast between soft and loud parts).
It may sound pessimistic, like 'the glass is half-empty', but it's the truth. The Grammys is essentially a way for the major labels to put the spotlight on the artists they want to showcase, a free advertisement, if you will. And now with the RIAA looking to nickel and dime the radio stations which always gave them a free format to advertise and push their products, they're really asking for trouble. Ironically, none of the artists will see a single cent from any of the RIAA's endless crusades as the record labels have been screwing them for the longest time. What this means is less and less content on the radio, and then perhaps some stations will look to the indie music scene rather than pay unfair royaly fees to the RIAA. Who knows? Perhaps good music will somehow emerge, and then the major labels will feel even more threatened when the artists in question aren't willing to sign their own demise along the dotted lines.
While the artists who are contractually bound to their respective major label are struggling with their 9-12%, perhaps paying back the label for studio album production, touring costs and such, the top execs at the RIAA/major labels are screwing everyone as far as is possible so that they can pay for their new sports car and leisure cruise in the pacific. They sit pretty and get rich doing absolutely nothing. And for the coup de grâce, the spineless politicians will help the RIAA push through new legislature which furthers their hostile agenda because they'll promise them perks like campaign support.
If there's a positive side to any of this, perhaps the major labels will consume themselves financially and be left to fend against the smaller labels and independent artists who can give them far more competition than they had ever imagined. We need people who care about resuscitating this suffering art form while ensuring that the artists who do all the hard work get their fair share.
Posted by: Chris, nh...and once again, an aging rock star wins Best Album over Radiohead.
15 Step with the marching band was pretty inspired though, did anyone catch that?
(After this post, I will no longer post about Radiohead. I can't promise I won't post about my cats, however.)
Posted by: PGE, Steely Dan live in 2009. Collecting the evidence...http://ujw16.umbriajazz.com/mediacenter/articoli/comunicato-stampa-di-fine-festival.html
The crucial part of this press release on the recent Winter Jazz festival in Perugia, Italy is teh final paragraph about the upcoming summer festival:
"Arrivederci a Perugia per Umbria Jazz 09 dal 10 al 19 luglio. Si esibiranno, tra gli altri, Burt Bacharach, Steely Dan, James Taylor, Paolo Conte, Simply Red."
July 10 - 19 2009 might be a good time to be in Perugia, Italy for Steely Dan fans ;-)
On the homepage www.umbriajazz.com you can see all the artists above EXCEPT Steely Dan, but apparently they were up there and disappeared ... as they are prone to do until it's time to go official.
At least there must be talk about a tour including Europe.
Posted by: Olberman, NYThis cat was called 'Fluffy'
She was very talented but miserable the whole time and never worked a day in her life.
Finally her dream tomcat got heaved up to this big job, promising to do better for all of them poor little bastards who actually had to work but more so for those who didn't want to.
Many had bought overpriced concert tickets get relief from the 2000-2008 gang that was running the country.
Those tickets are going to be harder to sell next time, because 'Fluffy' might look like a big old hypocrite plus the private jets, limos and all. And despite of his big heart, he donated next to nothing to good causes. Not even to Howard Dean.
After the new tomcat turned out to be a big bust, 'fluffy' wished there had been some moveon.org inspired pro choice program that would have provided for some permanent relief.
Retroactive, even late term.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoCount me with those who don't quite get the Coldplay/Steely Dan comparisons.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachLWO,
Not watching the Grammy's, but have heard the Coldplay/Steely comparison before...I never got it, either.
Posted by: hoops, chicagoGail, I'm watching the Grammys. Came home and turned it on for the heck of it an hour ago.
The eclecticism is matched only by my college friend Bob's wedding where the festivities included his 90 year-old great aunt, his pediatrician from decades before, a rabbi, and Bob's druggie friends--all in the same room at once. When else would these people come together?
I'm also reminded of not quite eight years ago when our favorite duo was the much overdue toast of the town or spoiler from the record industry's perspective. Too bad the Grammy win meant they had to suffer the injustice of those who think they are a nostalgia act or stole a Grammy from Emin-whatevah.
It sucked that the stores, not expecting SD to win, didn't even have stock for a mini display the next morning.
And why didn't DIDO sing with Eminem? Yeah, yeah, the homophobic thing, Elton to Eminem's defense, blah, blah, but how come she didn't get to sing her part of the "song"? That was weird! No one ever explained. What? Did EJ send Nancy Kerrigan's husband over to break Dido's kneecaps?
I'm a crabby old man, "...but we liked it!"
Posted by: Zembo, Fredneck, MDMy cats are Fagen and Deacon. They were going to be Fagen and Becker, but the Becker just wasn't one. I know someone who has an Aja and a Coltrane, too.
Posted by: Little Wild One, long time, no hereSo, for the hell of it...who is watching the Grammys?
Creature of habit, I am. But, one comment from the teen-age set. Coldplay is somewhat Steely Dan-esque.
Not my opinion, just throwing family small talk out there.
Posted by: dog, manChris, what a coincidence, I call fagen a cat. hep, man - real hep.
DUDE - I LOVE LA!!!!!
(except for their pitiful basketball team)
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachChris, what a coincidence, I once had a cat named "Fagen", too.
Posted by: chris, nhtoday my roommates and i went to the humane society and picked up two cats, obviously we've chosen to name them becker and fagen. becker's the outgoing one who loves people; fagen is the one currently hiding under my bed.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachDoes that last youtube post count as spam?
:#)
Posted by: hoops, on the quick, travelingThere will be some spam posts for the next half a day. Will be able to fix in a bit.
In the mean time, thanks Doc and others.
Posted by: Steely Fan, NJIrving Azoff is in hot water because of how Ticketmaster handled the sale of Springsteen tickets.
http://www.northjersey.com/breakingnews/ticketmaster020609.html
Posted by: Hutch, Hoops - Funny you mention snorting off a Coke can. I've been hearing a story for years now about Stevie Ray Vaughan doing just that. After the first song or two, a trip over to the amp for a "sip" with his back turned to the audience.
This is off-Dan but it's interesting how an extremely talented artist can produce absolutely amazing performances while in the midst of hard drug addiction and yet, hard as it is to believe, they can produce an even MORE amazing performance when they sober up.
I saw SRV three times and the last time I saw him (about a month before he died) he was clean, and it was the most incredible and inspired performance of the three by far.
And the first two were none too shabby.
Posted by: Chan, Boston"You are obsolete, look at all the white men on the street."
Sobering thought given the current economy.
Posted by: Ralph Nader, Late, as usualBelieve the baseball bat in the wind screen was in reference to "some kid just drive too fast"...maybe, no?
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on lunchOssie, you get an 30% credit on that observation.
Yes, it's a Coke can but you're overlooking that his nose has been touching it--why is his nose hair there? >wink< Maybe he's snorting something off the Coke can? >wink< >wink<
All written in wry, Steely Fµn and jest.
That said, the purchase of a Coke can used by DF for $200 is just legend around the Blue. Moreover, anyone who follows DF knows he just isn't cut to be on the hard stuff. (meant in a completely decent way). Ditto here.
Posted by: Ossie B, Oh Yeah Tampa -
RE: Your reply: That was "Coke" with a capital "C". Don does drink a lot of that.
Posted by: z, LAhey, don't mess with q.
he is a great danner, a gentleman, and a man of his word.
now, about that bridge you can buy . . . .
hz
Posted by: Dr. Regy Tuna, UnknownNJ residents: Bernard Purdie is playing at Shanghai Jazz tonight in Morristown, NJ. Go see him...or not...
Posted by: Oh Yeah?, TampaThen why did that guy Q pay $200 for that can with Donald's nose hair on it?
Posted by: Ossie B., ***********Noos Flash: DF never did coke.*************
Posted by: Rajah, Angel honey, you, you are so much the antithesis of Gina. A good wife, a devoted Mom, an aficianado of the good music. You are one of the people I miss so much about LA, a place that most folks say is full of false facades, but a place where when you find a person of integrity and great heart, well, you cleave to those people with all your soul. As I do you.
Until we meet again...
Posted by: angel, Rajah Said: "Don't date Gina, whatever you do. Mr. Dan's instincts about her are right on the mark, she's pushy, she's relentless. The classic harridan. His initial instincts to hide in his apartment are correct. This woman was barred from Nino's. Have you been to Nino's? It's an overpriced Italian joint on 1st and like, 73rd or something. It's modern and clean and the food is impeccable. Everything the Upper East side community loves. To be 86'ed from Nino's is no small feat. Proof positive she's unmanagible and maybe just plain crazy. But somehow Mr. Dan-Dumb gets suckered into an appointment with her. She walks in, she's hot and he's on his 2nd Tanqueray. Can you hear the, "oh shit," wagon rolling up 1st Avenue? We don't need to know how this one played itself out. Mr. Steely Dan is dead meat...once again."
Rajah, that just says it all, in regard to Lunch With Gina. Made my day! :-)
Posted by: Rajah, Kid A was a departure into the world of electronic music. A genre I have trouble with. Maybe it's a generational thing but the colors on the musical palette are just too much for me. Too much. Aural overload. No space to breath within the music.
The jazz age generation had a problem with bop, Elvis fans had a problem with the Beatles, the folk crowd had a problem with hard rock, straight people had a problem with disco, people brought up listening to vinyl have a problem with CDs. And so it goes.
But it's undeniable that Radiohead belong in the U2, REM, Police through-line.
Posted by: Que, BertDoes #3 describe anyone here?
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-top-10-facebook-gifts/
Posted by: Max Margulis, GothamWhat, pray tell, is "Kid A" and Radiohead...these things have no place here.
Posted by: Charlie, TokyoI remember in 94 when the Grammy nominations were announced, some critic on TV said that Kamakiriad was not going to be familiar to enough of the voters for it to win. (The girl on E couldn't even pronounce it.) I took that to mean the artist as well as the album. Probably the same situation with The Nightfly.
Posted by: Chris, nhRajah, yes I'm still listening to it. Its in my all time top 10, along with Aja and Gaucho. I'm a big Radiohead fan, so maybe I'm not the best person to be having this conversation with.
Posted by: Rajah, But are you still listening to it? I still listen to The Bends. Even OK Computer which should have won that year. Kid A lost me. Matters of taste.
Maybe the Grammy Best Album should be compared to the Gold Glove in baseball. You just don't come up and get one your first year, unless you're like, Ivan Rodriguez. It takes time for your reputation for flashing the leather to spread. It's somewhat political and in what is a great contradiction, has somewhat to do with how well you hit.
What's really stunning with Steely Dan's 2001 win is how much it all at once bequeathed upon them at long last the acceptance of the music establishment (which is dying out rapidly) while at the same time made them the object of derision of the younger element of the music business. Finally embraced on the one hand and marginalized all over again on the other.
Posted by: Ha-ha, wThe Dean,
Considering it's been almost nine years since Kid A came out, that's an odd question to ask.
Rock and roll is here to stay, apparently.
Posted by: All of us, everywhereCornelius----
It's been five years now and we still miss you.
Posted by: Chris, nhThe Dean - Absolutely.
Posted by: Billy, the KidKid A, Kid Charlemagne, Kid Clean - who are we kidding, here?
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachI respect you take, Chris.
I don't particularly like Kid A, but understand it was seen as a breakthrough. I wouldn't have bitched had it won, and 2vN lost...well, maybe a little. But, I wouldn't have called it one of the All Time blunders. Was Aja even nominated for best album? Talk about a blunder.
Just curious, do you think that Kid A will sound fresh, and will you still be listening to it in 10 years?
Posted by: Chris, nhThe Dean, while I too wouldn't call it a "major blunder," I do think Kid A should have won that year. Kid A was a milestone, for Radiohead and for pop music in general ... TvN was a great album but there was nothing earth shattering about it.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachI have to admit to dating Gina, for a long time, on and off for 10 years or more, when I was younger. Although she is married (to a very wealthy man) and seems to be a little more mentally stable, she still occasionally calls, and tries to set up a rendezvous, from time to time. While I am now wise enough to turn down those offers, I can't say I regret the totality of that experience. Sometimes life with a Negative Girl is so thrilling, she seems Almost Gothic.
Fortunately, I have long since sworn off that kind of women, and have been blessed to have had a few of the kind of Steely babes we discussed earlier, in my life. Yet...here I am...in Florida...alone in my room...
:#)
I still can't get over how some of these clueless, so-called music writers, use 2vN as one of the All Time Grammy mistakes. I can understand if they think another album deserved it (even though I don't agree), but a major blunder? I'm sure there are albums that have won the Grammy in the past, that most would find laughable today. Some have argued that The Dan got the award as a career nod, and that 2vN isn't anywhere near their best work. Well, so what? The question is, "is 2vN the best album made that year?" Even if you disagree that it was the best, is it so far from the best, that it is a major blunder? Are any of these critics saying it is a terrible album?
I have an idea, play the contenders again in 2009 again, and see what you think. Imagine doing it again in 2015, 2025, etc. Which album do you think will still seem like great music you can listen to, without sounding dated, or like a "novelty" album? Unless the Grammy is for the "best album that is relevant to the current music scene, by young artists, experimenting with new styles or concepts", then it should be no surprise that 2vN won the award. And, unless the award is for something other than honoring great music, then the biggest joke is making 2vN the poster child for Grammy mistakes.
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoDoing a line of coke a country mile long with Donald Fagen...
http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-02-05/music/moments-the-grammy-awards-would-rather-forget/
Posted by: Rajah, Don't date Gina, whatever you do. Mr. Dan's instincts about her are right on the mark, she's pushy, she's relentless. The classic harridan. His initial instincts to hide in his apartment are correct. This woman was barred from Nino's. Have you been to Nino's? It's an overpriced Italian joint on 1st and like, 73rd or something. It's modern and clean and the food is impeccable. Everything the Upper East side community loves. To be 86'ed from Nino's is no small feat. Proof positive she's unmanagible and maybe just plain crazy. But somehow Mr. Dan-Dumb gets suckered into an appointment with her. She walks in, she's hot and he's on his 2nd Tanqueray. Can you hear the, "oh shit," wagon rolling up 1st Avenue? We don't need to know how this one played itself out. Mr. Steely Dan is dead meat...once again.
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoCole, sorry to hear of your misfortunes, but smiled when you mentioned Jack Lemmon.
Is his character in the Out of Towners not a caricature of about half the SD repertoire? Arrives brim with vigor, optimistic to find his new way, only to have happenstance after happenstance thwart his every move. Then ends up in the interview chair needing a shave and lisping his way through the thing because he cracked a tooth.
And then decides he really didn't want to move there, anyway, because its not all its cracked up to be?
Sweet irony.
Posted by: Cole Porteroy, FlatbushCasual and Rajah-
hilarious comments....and right on the mark
I had an "oh shit" year last year and got kicked out by my wife...lost my job....sorta like a Jack Lemmon movie.....but every lyric from Becker's solo stuff now resonates with me beyond belief......
can we be genetically mutated by the music we listen to???? Becker seems like some wise old uncle....."you're gunna fall kid...and I've written just the fucking song for ya"
am now forced to date women like 'Lunch With Gina'.....
I've know a few Steely Girls....and I agree...they're smart (and sexy) in a way.....probably like those chick Kerouac got it on with...harhar....but of course Jack ended up alone in a Florida room....
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachCole. Casual and Raj,
Excellent discussion. I won't repeat too much of what you have already covered, but I find myself nodding in agreement with much of what you say. And while Steely Dan really does seem to be a "guy thing" for the most part, IMO, there is nothing truer than Rajah's observation about the Steely Gals. They are dangerous...but in a very good way. Thankfully, I know a few.
...and yes, Per-Gunnar really is The Man. He brings a lot to the table, here.
Also, I have always loved that Pavarotti/James Brown clip. It really is something else. I laugh every time I see it, but not AT it, as it is quite good...but, simply at the idea...the audacity of the idea.
Here's another little oddity that rarely sees the light of day. Not quite at the level of the Man's World vid, but interesting and humorous, nonetheless:
http://video.acasa.ro/view_video/592dbe313d5938e1cd45/bob-dylan-van-morrison-crazy-love.html
Posted by: hoops, chicagoCasual Fan: Thank Per-Gunnar. He does a lot of great things for us Danfans.
Posted by: listen, now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIyzNISw1Q
Posted by: Mr. West, HollywoodOr the place where the axis of pain/pleasure shears the arc of desire.
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoRajah,
Or that moment where/when regret and indifference intersect.
Posted by: Rajah, You are refering, of course, to that one moment in so many Steely Dan songs which we have identified in years past as the, "oh, shit," moment. Everything seems to be progressing satisfactorily for our hero, Mr. Steely Dan, that poor deficient sonofabitch, then the pavement gives out from under him and he tumbles into the abyss. Like Wiley Cayote, we can almost hear the Doppler effect of his, "ohhhh shiiiit."
Steely Dan music is indeed guy music. The women who relate to it have a heightened sense of what idiots men are. Steely Dan girls are so much more in tune with the male zeitgeist than your average chick. Which makes them doubly dangerous...trust me on this...
Posted by: Casual Fan, OrlandoCole, I too enjoyed the linked interview. Thanks for whoever sent that out and I am glad you did because I'd seen it in the Digest and had been meaning to catch it before it "expired."
Re: your comment about whether Steely Dan is guy music, I'm trying to figure out exactly how to put this because there is something uniquely, albeit faintly, macho about it. I think I'd say this:
For me, the overarching theme of Steely Dan music over the years is the moment of the bitersweet realization that we don't control things like we wish we could, that its always a hopeless battle of me against the woman, the world, the circumstance of the moment. And that with that realization comes a certain peace of mind that its okay either to keep fighting or to give up and roll with it.
Posted by: Cole Porter, E 42nd STthanks to whoever put the link to that BBC show- great show....even Brian Sweet sounded intelligent....can't quite place his accent....Irish?
not sure I agree that Steely Dan is "guy music"....I have always know quite a few Steely Dan female fans....even back in the 70's....but I do agree that men probably get more of the "in-joke" stuff....face it Fagen and Becker are stand up comedians....just thinking about their smirking faces makes me laugh!
very funny interview to track down is that Robert Klein one circa 1980
Posted by: NYB, Eureka times Infinity!ALRIGHT FINE!
You don't wanna listen to me? You wanna follow your own path to the door of hell itself??? You wanna wind up on a coach telling the story of your downfall to some newbie psychologist who takes Medicaid? GO AHEAD!!! But first you should know the future of Fagen and Becker if they deny the new Steely Dan paradigm as I have concieved it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns4mnmNBk1Y
YEP! SHAMWOW SALEMEN!!! YA LIKE IT??? NOT MUCH TO THINK ABOUT ANYMORE IS THERE!
SIGN HERE! _____________________________
Posted by: steely doc, near the TowerHappy Groundhog Day to one and all...Phil saw his shadow, so that means: only TWO MORE WEEKS to vote for KEITH CARLOCK for BEST ALL AROUND in the Modern Drummer 2009 Readers Poll...
link to the poll at www.keithcarlock.com
Keith tours with James Taylor this spring!
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Posted by: On this Date, in SD HistoryOn this date in 2000, Steely Dan recorded their VH-1 Storytellers show at Sony Studios. Sony Studios has since been torn down. It would be great if the full VH-1 Storytellers show was released on DVD. Only one-track has been officially released.
Posted by: Amused, and BemusedNYB - I appreciate - even if I disagree with - your disdain for Blues Beach, but you can't really improve on "Blues Beach... holy FUCK do we owe you for that one..." We got it. We get it. Don't dilute your message.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachJust an FYI to those who might not get the Dandom Digest, or maybe wait a day, or two, to read it. Per-Gunnar Eriksson contributed a link to a BBC program (or should I type programme) focused on Fagen and Becker. It is the most recent of the BBC series "Take Two" that focuses on musical collaborations. I'm only posting this, as the feed is only good for another day and 1/2...and then it is gone.
Nothing new here, but pretty good, nonetheless. Warning: Brian Sweet sighting, for those with a knee-jerk aversion to him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00h30yr
Posted by: NYB, time marches on!SHUT UP!
I have revised my plan! And it's a doozy...
It's quite obvious these two knuckleheads aren't gonna make the music the way I want the music made, so I suggest we buy the band! YES... we will collectively buy the "STEELY DAN" trademark with all rights reserved! Then we will hire Fagen and Becker back as EMPLOYEES of "Steely Dan Enterprises Inc"! Not only will we force them to play all the songs from the first two albums EXCLUSIVELY in Live performances, we will also include a clause in their contract that will leave them destitute and penniless if they don't do exactly what I say when I say it! For instance, if the Steely Dan committee (made up of myself) decides that they should begin each concert with Jimi Hendrix's "Crosstown Traffic" rather than "Blues Beach", THEY WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PLAY IT OR GO TO JAIL! If they should air their reservations concerning the choice of "Kings", "Change Of The Guard", and "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again", THEN THEY WOULD FORFEIT ALL THEIR WORLDLY POSSESSIONS AND BE DEPORTED TO SOMALIA WITH ONLY A SLINGSHOT FOR PROTECTION!
And so my friends, A NEW DAY DAWNS IN DANLAND! A day that will be remembered throughout the ages as the day Steely Dan became a rock band again! And yes, my name will be there right next to George Washington as the father of our country... No please, please don't stand... Applause now? Okay go ahead and applaud... Roses now? Please no need to throw roses... Girls... Girls please... no... no put your tops back on...
Posted by: Rajah, If I may, "merely an essential ingredient," is a contradiction in terms. If something is essential, it could never be merely essential. But I think we get your drift. Now if you're using that phrase as a deliberate rhetorical device like, "deafening silence," then, ok, it's an oxymoron. And in that case, yes, Walter's contribution to Steely Dan is merely essential.
Posted by: I would say, it IS that same MIKE!!!And, as I recall he was a decent writer/commentator.
But he made the mistake of disrespecting the Eagles.
Which led him to self-destruct.
If "Mike" is indeed back, and stays on topic, and even if he is a bit negative about The Dan, he is capable of writing thought-provoking, intellectually stimulating prose.
Mike, potentially now, could even move into the "Top Ten? Blue writer of all time.
Now, Mike, one interesting point that you tried to make in the past was that Walter Becker was merely an essential ingredient, or something along those lines in contributing to the Dan sound, which BTW is not only your opinion, but and opinion shared by quite a few others is mostly due to Donald. Since that time, Walt has put out another solo record, Circus Money. After listening to that, has your opinion changed? If so, why so? If not, why not?
Here is your chance to come out with some good commentary, and let's see if your accusers can discuss this objectively without getting defensive and attacking you.
Posted by: Rajah, Oh, Hoopsie of my Heart, the Canticle for Leibovitz was a work that touched me so very deeply when I was a young lad, when I still had a heart, when I still believed. I'm not surprised you know of it. Best work of apocalyptic science fiction ever.
Posted by: hoops, "Pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels--bring home for Emma."Hutch, thanks for the heads up on Fagen's commentary on Updike and Harry Angstrom and all.
When Updike died a few days ago, I was reminded of the several times over the years where we've discussed how Harry "Rabbit" Angstrom could easily be Deacon Blues or some other character in a Steely Dan song.
Especially considering how Updike was new during the same period that "The Nightfly" album takes place, some of us have wondered if Fagen was influenced by Updike, or if at least he was an Updike fan. This confirms it.
Now if we could get confirmation if Fagen was into Walter Miller's "A Canticle for Leibowitz" (c. 1959) or Heinlein as we have discussed somewhere, somehow before in some forum. I think Fagen has somewhere talked about Heinlein but I forget where or what he said. "Canticle" is both a sci-fi send up of the Roman Catholic Church as well as a darker look at nuclear annihilation and the cyclic nature of history.
While I don't hang on every word or remember most any posts Rajah or even myself may make (let alone when they were posted), I do hang on Donald's quotes since that is the official word.
Didn't post sooner because I have been too busy to be flamed.
Jim
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachOne more thing:
I should have noted that the post in the blog, with that same quote attributed to Obama, also had this same oddity, as Washington's Zoo's post:
"United States of American"
Must be a coincidence.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachI'm curious as to where you got that Obama quote, Washington Zoo. I'd love to see the context, if you have a link. I Googled it, and got only one hit, from a comment on a blog (the comment was from a poster who called himself "Pretzel Logic"...interesting).
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=kzJ&q=%22This+is+not+the+time+to+be+making+a+profit%22+obama&btnG=Search
Schooner-T, a client of mine saw the Eagles in Jacksonville, recently. $200/seat for "OK, not great" seats (his description). Wow! They did a long show though, 3+ hours with intermission. Still, it's the Eagles.
:#)
Posted by: Schooner Tuna, The Tuna With a HeartOr maybe they will just cut ticket prices in half, kind of like the tuna company in Mr. Mom:
"In this time of economic crisis, we'll be cutting our ticket prices in half and encouraging Ticketbastard to do the same with their charges. When the crisis has passed, we will return to our normal pricing (which is still considerably less than the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac charge, by the way). Steely Dan, the band with a heart."
Posted by: No Tours This Year, Washington Zoo"This is not the time to be making a profit"
Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of American, January 30, 2009
Posted by: Hutch, DF's comments on John Updike from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2210094/pagenum/4
It's also up on Donald's website.
Posted by: steely dana, However, Rosenberg sounds more like Tom Waits . Pretty funny song.
Posted by: steely dana, Article in yesterday's LA Times about Screen Actors' Guild chief, Alan Rosenberg...who happens to be DF's first cousin. You can see the family resemblance in the youtube video.
Posted by: songs, Was there ever a discussion about the songs donald fagen did with hirth martinez?
Two of those songs DO WRONG SHOES and THE GIRL WHO DREAMS OUT LOUD can be found on CARMELA RAPPAZZO'S CD called THE GIRL WHO DREAMS OUT LOUD: NEW STANDARDS. The songs are also on itunes.
Posted by: SS, HKMike, is there a long shot chance you're the same Mike who left this place in Nov. 2007 ?
Date: Mon, November 12, 2007, 20:31:11 ET
Posted by: Mike,
I've overstayed my welcome; I won't waste my time here. It's telling and ironic that most SD fans intentionally avoid this place like the plague. But keep living in your fantasy world anyway. I have better things to do.
Posted by: Mike, It was rather easy. As I've followed Bluebook for awhile now, I've seen all the confrontations which have occured on here, and almost all of them were perpetrated by one person: The Dean. FYI, those posts aren't that old. In fact, they're from just a few months back, so they're pretty easy to find.
The next time I post an opinion I'll have to include a disclaimer so that idiots don't respond. Either that or I'll simply not feed the argument by wasting time responding to it.
Warning: This is the opinion of one person and does not have a basis in fact (darrr). As such, it shouldn't be used as an excuse to flame the boards with personal attacks or similar.
Posted by: DC, DC Schroeder, El Paso,
thank you for reminding me of this great cd.
All of Beards cd's are special.
He's working on a new one.
"Lost at the carnival" is insane.
Posted by: nobody , ever listens to meits simple. ban everyone named mike and bill from the board and ------- smooooth sailing baby.
you think i don't pay attention to this board. that i go off half cocked. well, let me tell ya pilgrim, i'm fully cocked.
mary, shut the garden door!
Posted by: nobody , ever listens to meits simple. ban everyone named mike and bill from the board and ------- smooooth sailing baby.
you think i don't pay attention to this board. that i go off half cocked. well, let me tell ya pilgrim, i'm fully cocked.
mary, shut the garden door!
Posted by: Cyber Gal, CyberiaFor those who may be interested, Keith Carlock's newsletter is online:
http://keithcarlock.com/news01292009M.htm
Posted by: Foreigner?, I didn't even kiss her!Feels like the first time. Feels like the very first time.
Posted by: How, SweetI don't think it's the first time.
Posted by: angel, Interesting Keith Carlock newsletter came into my inbox at home. He's going out with James Taylor this spring.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachRaj,
That is pretty funny, actually. It's also interesting how Mike can pick out pieces of post from days long gone by, but miss the parts that provide any context for the quotes he chooses to use.
Limitations of the software, obviously. :#)
Posted by: Rajah, Zowie, what kind of program has the capability of archiving and blowing back all that shit??? It's too scary...
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachMike,
Once again you seem to treat your opinion as hard fact, and continue your habit of mixing personal insult into any criticism. Kudos to digging through years of posts to add the insults of other (mostly anonymous) posters, to pad your toothless response.
I won't bother to go point-by-point with you, again, as it is clear that you aren't open to any real dialogue. I will simply say thi3:
You have managed to include at least two instances where I was (I think clearly) making a joke...kidding...having some fun. The way you used them suggests a serious lack of intellectual integrity on your part, or perhaps you simply misplaced your sense of humor.
Posted by: from Mike, to Dean"I'll let Roberto (not Robredo) speak for himself, but your insistence that my opinion must be blind loyalty is so arrogant that I can't believe you wouldn't notice the obvious hypocrisy. Perhaps I just think the song isn't so bad."
And perhaps you'd notice that I think the song is lacking, as stated. So? I am critical but direct and honest. You don't think it's so bad, but then, you also don't think anything SD has ever done is so bad. To quote yourself from not so long ago:
"I'm with you on this one, but that doesn't seem to be the case with many others, here. I don't think SD has ever officially released a bad song...period. As you say, there are some that I care a little more, or less, for than others...but that changes from time to time, too. Some songs took me a little longer to warm up to, some were overplayed at one point and so I avoided them for a while. But, I can count on one hand (and have fingers to spare) the SD songs that I don't think are total masterpieces...and even those few songs are pretty damn good."
Who's the blind loyalist here? Back to the topic at hand....
"Apparently you don't know how to criticize without being insulting. This is true in your posts regarding the song in question, and those taking offense to those that like it."
This is coming from one of, if not the most agitating, antagonistic posters ever. As you read further, you in your own words will make that ever more apparent.
"You started your discussion regarding this tune, with shots at those who believed were bound to like it simply because it was from Walter: "But who am I kidding? Walter helped produce it so of course it's the most genius thing ever." This was before there was any evaluation of the song by anyone, except for my quick (and polite) thank you to Angel, for posting: "Angel, Thanks for that clip. It was great.""
Actually, that was in anticipation, not in response. And it had nothing to do with you, otherwise I would've made an allusion or such to your comment, which I didn't, unless you consider your original comment to be 'lavishing with praise,' in which case I guess I'm guilty as charged. This is yet another case of you blowing something out of proportion and then acting holier than thou for good posturing.
"Later the same day, you launched this salvo: "Rajah, I'm surprised that this place didn't come alive with people showering praises for that waste of a song." So, twice, in the face of very little in the way of comment about this song, you are attacking anyone who might not hate the song as much as you do. And, those liking the song MUST like it simply because they worship Walt and Don."
If I'm reading myself correctly, that's a statement of surprise, not an attack (except against the song). Surprised that people didn't lavish it with praise? Yes, somewhat. But there is a clear difference. If I were to attack somebody, esp. personally, the comment would read much different.
"As far as insulting Don and Walt, well I'm not their defenders, but I would call "waste of a song" and "lazy musicianship" far more than a simple critique of a piece of music. But, that was just the tip of your hubris. You somehow came to say that this threatened the future of Steely Dan quality. Seriously, you inferred that. Somehow, since a song that Walter co-wrote for another artist wasn't your cup-o-tea, the future quality of their work for Steely Dan is in jeopardy? "My fear is that if people were to become complacent and just accept anything no matter the level of quality, it would open the doors to watered down songwriting... This is especially important if there's to be another SD/DF outing." That is unbelievably arrogant, mixed with a whole lot of stupid. You think Don and Walt compromise their integrity by what the audience will accept? Seriously?"
As I went on to say, I had confidence that at least Donald held himself to a certain standard. As for Walter, I'm not sure but seeing as this song represents the fruits of his involvement, that's not a good sign. Then again, he could've been in a rush or something. Oh, and as for me being 'arrogant' and 'a whole lot of stupid,' we'll see when you eat your own words.
"I didn't suggest that you didn't like the song because you didn't like Don and/or Walt (and I'm not sure where you got that). I suggested that you decided to use your dislike of this one song as a way to take shots at Walt...a very arrogant strategy, on your part. You notice the response to Rajah's posts with respect to the song were more tempered, as Rajah made his criticism less personal, and less arrogant."
There's no strategy to it. I simply believe that this was a considerably weak excuse for a song considering who's involved. It's not a 'way to take shots at Walter,' as you blindly suggest. If there's a song with one-half of my favorite 'group' involved and it sucks, I'm going to be vocal about it.
"As I pointed out, the boys have done work with other artists in the past, that was of questionable quality (far worse than this, IMO). They wrote the insipid "I mean to shine", were involved Rosie Vela's album and Walt was a "member" of China Crisis. I guess your ridiculous assumption that I can not be critical of any work by Don or Walt is undone right there. I find all of those efforts to be quite unlistenable. What you have done, is improperly infer that the reason I like the song because of "blind loyalty"...but, you took that position from your very first post, as seemingly the only reason anyone would like that song."
Yes, Mr. Logic, that must be it. Either that or it was both yourself and Robredo who began to antagonize with this statement: "It's incredible how many people on this board are attacking and umiliating the art of Donald and Walter over the past six months.
What a bloody arrogance!!What a shame!
Has this forum still any reason to excist??"
To which you used as a not-so-covert attack against me: "And, Roberto, I hear ya. I guess some people are too arrogant to be properly embarrassed."
As said before, if anyone around here is persistently arrogant it's definitely people who post their names beginning with the word "The" as if you were of some superior nature. It's not Dean, it's "The" Dean. In your own words:
"And, Anonymous Twit, please note that, to you, it's "The Dean", not just "Dean". You don't know me well enough to be so familiar."
I suppose that's why you've won such accolades by various posters as "...the most annoying person that posts here" to "From lurking here on and off for the past year I never really thought you knew what the f&^k you were talking about anyway." Way to go.
Anyway, to continue with your ill-fated retort against me:
"Which leads me to the final points. I see nobody singing the praises of this song...not even me. I think it is OK, good, fun, kinda catchy...for an artist I haven't really liked all that much (as hard as I have tried). Despite your protests, nobody so far has defined it as genius, outstanding, etc. And, for a non-Steely Dan song, that's OK. I'm guessing the song is better than it was before Walt stepped in to help. Trying to judge the quality of this song on the Steely Dan quality scale is absurd, and a fool's errand. It isn't a Steely Dan record."
Nevertheless, it is a shallow effort considering who's involved and raises some red alarms in my mind as to whether age/time has taken its toll on Walter. I'll simply say this: if I was involved, I would have opted to make the song sound much better or wouldn't want to associate my name with it. Again, an opinion, nothing more.
"One thing I am quite certain of (and I'm not certain of much) is this has nothing to do with (and will have no impact on) the quality of any future Steely Dan work. Like the song, or don't like the song...no biggie. Let's not pretend it is something that it isn't, or means anything more than it does."
Does that also include using my opinion of it as a basis to launch attacks against me for not liking it? Very interesting.
In response to Raj, you said:
"I still don't understand the bashing of You Can't Do Me. It's certainly better than "I Mean to Shine". True it isn't complicated, and sounds as if it was "borrowed" from Darkling Down...but no fun? This is much fun, IMO"
In your own words from a previous post:
"There is nothing interesting about this song, to me. No sweet time changes, no challenging or unexpected chord changes, no kick-ass solos...no chances taken, of any sort, as far as I can hear. This song sounds as though it was made to sound nice and safe, so it wouldn't offend anyone and would get maximize radio play."
Hmm, sounds very similar in construct to my initial criticism of 'You Can't Do Me,' except that I also added thoughts about Walter's involvement. But besides that, you contradict yourself. Here's another nugget:
"The worst part, to me, is this is from a band that had shown it was capable of so much more, on their first album. I not suggesting this isn't well made, and likely to appeal to many people. I'm saying that this kind of music makes me want to puke."
Kind of like what I think about 'You Can't Do Me,' i.e. I expect much better from Walter.
I leave you with this tasteless comment by none other than ...you: "I absolutely LOVE Through With Buzz. I'd kill a small child to hear them perform it live with a symphony." I wonder if you'd be willing to say such a thing in public? I highly doubt so.
Posted by: Rajah, Not at all Schroeder, please don't underestimate the ears of the Blue, we bow before James Beard's musicianship in much the same way we do Maestros Charlap and Baker. Different styles, Beard's inventive playfulness, Charlop's classic Manhattan suave, Baker's Broadway bravado. All masters of the instrument. If guys like this like Steely Dan enough to play alongside them, can we not thumb our collective nose at those who consider Steely Dan merely curious jazz wanna bees?
Dean, I didn't find Mike's comments arrogant, well, yeah, maybe a little raw but nevertheless firmly posited. Stout lad, he has the courage of his convictions. It's not easy to navigate around here without pissing somebody off, oh I know this quite well...
Changing gears, Bono said once that the difference between a good song and a great song is huge. Walter's record is good. Don's last record was better than good. Steely Dan records are simply great.
Posted by: Schroeder, El PasoEars. Yeah.
The good stuff.
Like the whole song of 'Relief' on Jim Beard's 'Advocate'. A song with a repeated 4 note bass line with harmony that moves and evolves in spite of it.
There's no lyrics and he's not famous so this might not fit here.
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australiaYou want to know what's clever? Walter's deceptively simple bass line in Bob's Not Your Uncle. It works unchanged in both the verse and the bridge, even though the chords are different. That's clever, like the 3 note figure that runs virtually unchanged throughout Jack of Speed. So much to notice; so few ears.
Posted by: Very well said, Dean!!
Posted by: Letterman, NYCSteely Dan reference by David Letterman tonight on Late Show.
After trying a replacement feature for great speeches by the president where they would show a Bush blooper, Paul Schaeffer and the CBS Orchestra went into Reelin' In The Years.
Then a long commercial break.
When they came back still playing Reelin' , Dave says Paul Schaeffer playing the whole Steely Dan song book.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachWell, Mike,
I'll let Roberto (not Robredo) speak for himself, but your insistence that my opinion must be blind loyalty is so arrogant that I can't believe you wouldn't notice the obvious hypocrisy. Perhaps I just think the song isn't so bad.
Apparently you don't know how to criticize without being insulting. This is true in your posts regarding the song in question, and those taking offense to those that like it.
You started your discussion regarding this tune, with shots at those who believed were bound to like it simply because it was from Walter: "But who am I kidding? Walter helped produce it so of course it's the most genius thing ever." This was before there was any evaluation of the song by anyone, except for my quick (and polite) thank you to Angel, for posting: "Angel, Thanks for that clip. It was great."
Later the same day, you launched this salvo: "Rajah, I'm surprised that this place didn't come alive with people showering praises for that waste of a song." So, twice, in the face of very little in the way of comment about this song, you are attacking anyone who might not hate the song as much as you do. And, those liking the song MUST like it simply because they worship Walt and Don.
As far as insulting Don and Walt, well I'm not their defenders, but I would call "waste of a song" and "lazy musicianship" far more than a simple critique of a piece of music. But, that was just the tip of your hubris. You somehow came to say that this threatened the future of Steely Dan quality. Seriously, you inferred that. Somehow, since a song that Walter co-wrote for another artist wasn't your cup-o-tea, the future quality of their work for Steely Dan is in jeopardy? "My fear is that if people were to become complacent and just accept anything no matter the level of quality, it would open the doors to watered down songwriting... This is especially important if there's to be another SD/DF outing." That is unbelievably arrogant, mixed with a whole lot of stupid. You think Don and Walt compromise their integrity by what the audience will accept? Seriously?
I didn't suggest that you didn't like the song because you didn't like Don and/or Walt (and I'm not sure where you got that). I suggested that you decided to use your dislike of this one song as a way to take shots at Walt...a very arrogant strategy, on your part. You notice the response to Rajah's posts with respect to the song were more tempered, as Rajah made his criticism less personal, and less arrogant.
As I pointed out, the boys have done work with other artists in the past, that was of questionable quality (far worse than this, IMO). They wrote the insipid "I mean to shine", were involved Rosie Vela's album and Walt was a "member" of China Crisis. I guess your ridiculous assumption that I can not be critical of any work by Don or Walt is undone right there. I find all of those efforts to be quite unlistenable. What you have done, is improperly infer that the reason I like the song because of "blind loyalty"...but, you took that position from your very first post, as seemingly the only reason anyone would like that song.
Which leads me to the final points. I see nobody singing the praises of this song...not even me. I think it is OK, good, fun, kinda catchy...for an artist I haven't really liked all that much (as hard as I have tried). Despite your protests, nobody so far has defined it as genius, outstanding, etc. And, for a non-Steely Dan song, that's OK. I'm guessing the song is better than it was before Walt stepped in to help. Trying to judge the quality of this song on the Steely Dan quality scale is absurd, and a fool's errand. It isn't a Steely Dan record.
One thing I am quite certain of (and I'm not certain of much) is this has nothing to do with (and will have no impact on) the quality of any future Steely Dan work. Like the song, or don't like the song...no biggie. Let's not pretend it is something that it isn't, or means anything more than it does.
Posted by: Mike, There's a very discernable difference between critiquing a song (esp. one that sucks) and arrogance.
Arrogance (n): Overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors
Criticism (n): Disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or shortcomings; examination and judgment of something
Two very different things. If anyone is deserving of an award for arrogance, not to mention blind loyalty, it's definitely people like Robredo and The Dean for believing that anyone who donesn't like everything Don or Walt create or are involved with to some degree are only doing so because they don't like Don and Walt. They have a tendency to confuse personal opinions with personal attacks, so they attack that person in any way they can, directly or indirectly. Blind loyalist all share the same mindset: that their opinion is inherently right. But opinions are neither right or wrong -- they're personal judgements, nothing more.
That somebody would take what is uniquely mine and place so much significance on it, perhaps I should even take that as a compliment.
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Posted by: Rajah, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Especially as to those lyrics.
Posted by: correction, please"store away"
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Posted by: rahm, screwing some one over RIGHT now.those lyrics are cool. song sucks.
this sounds like wb toooo.
Last thing I remember/before it all went wrong
back in the Fall of 92
we were skipping rocks across the water/till the tourists were all gone
then I slipped into you sideways/right there on the beach in Malibu
there was nothing we woudn't do then/no place we wouldn't go
all in our fawn-and-aqua 733
so maybe you can tell me/how was I supposed to know
we'd be standing out here in the soup line/in this post-Bush post-Reagan post-cold war economy
now you do remember little Foxy/the funny little dog we found
out romping on the beach that day
last week i sold your ruby earrings/took old Foxy to the pound
you shouldve heard him howling/when that old beamer pulled away
say, I wonder are you happy?/whatever you got up to now
out somewhere slingin' pussy I'd suppose
just standing out there on the pavement /as the weather would allow
another aging-would-be-starlet/cheap perfume, flashy clothes
cause it was you and me and little Foxy/that funny little dog we used to love
out romping on the beach all day
some nights I just lie awake and wonder/just what we were thinking of
when we were voting for all those bastards/who gave the whole damn star away
'cause it was all good times and sunshine/in the not too very long ago
at least as it applied to you and me
did we ever stand a chance, girl?
I guess we'll never know
thanks to George Bush and those Nazis
down in Washington, DC
DC....
Posted by: The Dean, Still Heading Toward the Manatee BarOh...and peppers are OK on a pizza, but I'm a minimalist when it comes to pizza. Crushed red pepper, is a must, though.
Posted by: The Dean, Heading Toward the Manatee BarRaj,
I still don't understand the bashing of You Can't Do Me. It's certainly better than "I Mean to Shine". True it isn't complicated, and sounds as if it was "borrowed" from Darkling Down...but no fun? This is much fun, IMO
“You know I get so blue and I go Down like a deep sea diver, out like a Coltrane tenor-man, Lost like a Chinese war baby - gone, gone, gone! Blewed like a Mississippi sharecropper, screwed like a high-school cheerleader, Tattooed like a popeyed sailorman - gone, gone, gone!”
That has Walter written all over it.
Posted by: Rajah, Peppers on a pizza?
That rip off of Fool is beyond heinous. Somebody contact Keith Jarrett's intellectual property attorneys.
Hutch, you're one of the voices here that has consistently offered up thoughtful opinion and informed musical commentary. T'estimo.
But seriously, that "Do Me," thing is woefully bereft of merit. It's no fun at all.
Posted by: only a fool , would post 2wicemy favorite pizza? peppers pepperoni mushrooms.
Posted by: rosa parks, gold circle seatsdeano deano.
mr crosby is on record saying that sd was his favorite band (after the beatles). his son, raymond, knows how to make a jazz noise. pevar rocks.
you would do well to check out their great cds.
happy groundhogs' day.
pope ratzo I
Posted by: rosa parks, gold circle seatsdeano deano.
mr crosby is on record saying that sd was his favorite band (after the beatles). his son, raymond, knows how to make a jazz noise. pevar rocks.
you would do well to check out their great cds.
happy groundhogs' day.
pope ratzo I
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachWhat a shocker from Crosby, Pevar and Raymond. After years of absolutely despising most Dan covers, I have loved many I have heard, recently. That was terrific.
David Crosby looks to be comatose (maybe he needs CPR?)...but he can still sing fairly well, which is all that matters (at least to me).
As for the Eagles of Death Metal, all I can say is "Aye aye aye!" That was too funny (in a horrible way).
Posted by: The Eagles,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBCOAGDiW-E
Now I'm A Fool OR. . . ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THAT
What do you guys think?
Posted by: burt parks, now, i KNOW a beautyyou want a beauty? i'll give ya a beauty!
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Posted by: Hutch, ClublandThe down time between albums and tours gives us an opportunity to stand back and admire our admiration here on the Blue Book. At the same time it seems to bring out the negative folks who spend a lot of time finding something that might be "sub-par". I really don't think there's very much that's "sub-par" about anything these guys have put out for our listening pleasure. I'd rather accentuate the positive anyway.
Elvis Costello is hosting a show on the Sundance channel called "Spectacle". It's filmed in a small theatre with a live audience. Basically a combination of live musical performance and a sit down interview conducted by Costello with a musical guest. I don't get that channel but a friend taped five episodes for me. This is great stuff. Real musical discussions. The shows I saw included James Taylor, Lou Reed, Sir Elton John (who is the executive producer of the show), Tony Bennett and the Police. On the Tony Bennett episode Tony sang about three songs and instead of bringing his regular trio he had Bill Charlap on piano and no rhythm section. And he made a special point of introducing Charlap, who he referred to as "the next Bill Evans".
This is a terrific show if you can catch it.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beachgypsyqueeninafairytale,
Outstanding contribution. I haven't seen/heard Karen Briggs in a long time. Anyone who can survive performing with both Yanni and Wu Tang Clan, and still sound that good is OK by me.
And, Roberto, I hear ya. I guess some people are too arrogant to be properly embarrassed.
Posted by: Roberto Chavez, BogotaIt's incredible how many people on this board are attacking and umiliating the art of Donald and Walter over the past six months.
What a bloody arrogance!!What a shame!
Has this forum still any reason to excist??
Posted by: Rajah, Well, that's a keeper, girlfriend, thank you. Those great players did 10 minutes and made them fly. Can't improvise like that on a pop song, it has to be charted out to the last dot. Pop music may be held in low esteem by many great musicians and listeners, I know firsthand that this is the consensus of the musicians at Local 47 in LA but when it's done right, the pop song still rules the hearts of everyday people.
Hoops, huh, that wasn't you...oh mamalusha, we have an Archivist of the first stripe in our midst then. I should start cataloging my drivel then, shouldn't I?
Nah, screw it. On with the show.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, outerspaceOne of the most beautiful things I've watched or heard in a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rJczx7AMRg
Posted by: Joey, " So there is much working against the release of a tenth Steely studio record, even moreso than perhaps the jading, lack of energy or remaining creativity in the duo as it manifests as the Steely entity. "
This makes Joey sad .
Why ?!
WHY ?!
WHY do you make your young Joeykins weep so violently ?
J. " Snuggles " Fly !
Posted by: Joey,
Posted by: hoops, chicagoI haven't posted a thing since last Wednesday.
Posted by: Rajah, Well, yeah, Fezzie, the boundries of good taste are eclipsed sometimes here aboard the HMS Blue. We console ourselves in the knowledge that at least we know we're are still alive.
Ha-ha, congratulations for continuing to be the pebble in my sandal.
As for my statement that Donald is, "working behind the curve," on Morph from months ago ... Donald's music is NEVER behind the curve. But he is not the wordsmith Walter is, this, "Do Me," offering notwithstanding. George had Ira, Rogers had Hart, McCartney had Lennon, Bacharach had Hal David. Cole Porter, well, he had Cole Porter and as a complete tunesmith, maybe the greatest of them all.
Circus € is a huge leap forward for WB. Paging Audrey, yes Mu, that is haunting in the same vein as Almost Gothic and Greenbook. DF & WB are better together than on their own is my point.
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, PhraxosThis is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachMike,
It seems as though you can download Rhymes here (but you need to have iTunes):
http://www.last.fm/music/Donald+Fagen/_/Rhymes+(Bonus+Track)
As I don't use iTunes, I can't verify it.
Posted by: Mike F., NYCCan someone tell me where I can download Rhymes from? I have looked but not been successful. Many thanks!
Posted by: Hector E., EMG was it. It was prophetic, declarative AND definitive. The coda, the omega of the Steely nonology which began with CBAT. Face it, do not delude yourselves.
Does this mean the end of Steely studio output? Not necessarily. The music biz has changed, fewer and fewer people buy the proverbial album, rather buy single songs, which is something of sad commentary on shortened attention spans or whatevah. This portends the likelihood that future Steely material will come out as as a paid single or possibly EP download, like, for instance, Rhymes, or going back aways, Century's End, put out by Fagen as a lone single.
The vast majority of future generations will most likely never appreciate the thematic schemes, and song processions that characterised many of the the classic albums. The use of progression of songs to convey meaning, as depicted on albums such as Pink Floyd's Animals, Kama, and, yes, EMG will largely become as archaic as the abacus or slide rule if it hasn't already.
So there is much working against the release of a tenth Steely studio record, even moreso than perhaps the jading, lack of energy or remaining creativity in the duo as it manifests as the Steely entity.
I have to stop now, as i choke up the tears well up in my eyes...dammmit...
Posted by: DC, DC
"We will neeeever have to worry about DF becoming hackneyed or banal. "
Huh? He sounds like that every time he opens his mouth and talks about politics.
Posted by: Joey, " What has changed on EMG and Morph is the production approach. They were purposefully not polished to that high luster of 2vN, Gaucho or Aja. We're told that they record much more like a live band now, we hear them say that, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." OK, I can accept that on some levels and I appreciate that the new approach is more cost effective, less time consuming, less maddening certainly. "
It is that very same live band ' production approach ' that made EMG a lesser record than 2vN .
Thus the lack of a Grammy nomination .
Let's hope Don & Walt learned something from their 2003 production debacle .
JACKY !
Posted by: Ha-ha, bThere's a reason this place more or less died in the ass back in 2003, and it wasn't EMG.
Posted by: fezzie, bostonRAJ,Could you try to control your more vulger followers or at least spank them verbally.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that was juuuuuuuuuussssssst a little over the line!!!!!...fezzie
Posted by: Rajah, Not yet.
Posted by: Major Dame, Capital CityAny news on this year's tour--heard maybe Europe??
Posted by: 4U Hoops, You are a fucking bitch ass cunt, Hoops.
Stop messing wit our Raj.
Posted by: Rajah, Jesu fucking Christ, you archive my posts from so long ago...should I be proud or should I be afraid? Oh, Hoops, is that you, my dear old friend? You headstrong son of a bitch, how I love you...so very much...
Posted by: Rajah, Now that, I will cop to.
Posted by: mira, not looking so goodhey raji, while you're looking - check out your post from nov 13 1978. you said "shaft II - what a bitchin cool movie!"
can' t you remember anything!!!!
Posted by: Repost, Of July 3Date: Thurs, July 03, 2008, 07:40:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah, it's oh-so-nice to go traveling
SS - part of the reason this C€ record is so good is that a lot of the work was done in Santa Monica. A change of scenery, or rather, maybe a return to the scene, seems to have done wonders for WB's perspective. And you, as a redoutable citizen of the world, dear SS, you shock me to hear your sentiments. Donald has lived in Manhattan for the last, what, 30 years or so? I lived there for six years and believe me it can be just as stultifying as any podunk town in Anywhere, USA. Just cause you live in a great city doesn't mean you don't fall into a conventional and even provincial mindset. You go to Balducci's for some prociutto, you hit the newsstand, later you make the scene at Birdland, next day you take a jog around the resevoir, you have a dog and a papaya at Nathan's. OK, the odd benefit at Carnegie Hall, that's nice, but what, I ask you does Morph the Cat tell us about life in post-9/11 America that we didn't already know? I love the music, but it really didn't move me, just as the title cut of EMG left me thinking: "didn't I hear about this last week on CNN?" Donald's now working behind the curve, IMHO. But now Walter...
Have you heard Dark Horse Dub? It's Johan Sebastian Bach meets Ennio Morrocone in an Jamaican spliff house. This is fresh. The little melody that repeats a few times around is haunting and addictive. Walter indeed proves on this record, just like the Police did, that a looping theme need not necessarily be boring. And to think this is basically the same band on Morph, wow, oh what difference an alternate perspective makes.
Posted by: his , masters voicei never heard a clear bass part when tom was up there, either.
http://www.chuckrainey.com/bassmanual/ajareunion.htm
Posted by: Rajah, taking my blood pressureJuly 3rd? July friggin 3rd? Show me.
Put up and let me reposte or step down, my friend. Please.
Posted by: S-Fan, NJRaj,
I was only referring to your post on July 3 of last year. No hostility was intended, I promise.
Posted by: Rajah, No, truthfully, S.Fran, I never intimated or said anything like that...you continue to vex me, you...whomever you are...I can't tell if you love me beyond distraction or want to put a bullet in my head. God, you must hate me so, you know I never did anything of the kind. Let the Dandom Blue bear it out...I rest on their judgment.
Treasure of mine, I'm not in a place right now where I can bear you fucking with me, S.Fran. If you come at me right now I'm afraid I will lose my native reticence and take you apart in the most savage and sophisticated way I am able. Take care, I beg you...
Posted by: S-Fan, NJRaj,
Didn't you say a while back that Don was working behind the curve with his songwriting and that EMG seemed like it was ripped from CNNs top of the hour news?
Posted by: Rajah, McCartney's Firemen, oy da pain. If I understand it, he runs around the studio with his collaborator banging around on percussion gizmos, making noise on various other instruments, throwing out lyrics and just letting it all hang out. Exciting? Avant-garde? Innovative? How about: unlistenable?
Makes Revolution No. 9 seem like Rhapsody in Blue. What a steaming Turban of doo-doo. As a way to get yer ya-yahs out, OK, something might come of it. Macca is desparate to retrieve the old magic he had at age 21 but it ain't gonna happen. Unlike Donald, he didn't have a little voice inside his head telling him to stop and wait for the Muse to make her next orbit. Yet another reason to respect Don's approach.
Posted by: Mike, Thanks for the comments Rajah. I agree with what you say.
As far as "using the song to attack Walter," well, that's absurd. Go back to what I originally said: I expect much more from one-half of my favorite 'group' -- hardly what you'd call a knock, except against the lazy songwriting/musicianship that's apparent from the song. That they're so highly regarded by people is a testament to their ability, ability which is nonexistent on that song. Walt, Don, ...anyone could've been involved with the making of that song and it wouldn't negate the fact that it's a poor effort. But I understand that people such as The Dean are always looking for an excuse to attack anyone who doesn't shower praise whenever one of 'em so much as burps, because they're confrontational by disposition and irrationally defensive of something subjective.
Bottom line: Just because someone you like is involved to whatever degree in a music production doesn't necessarily guarantee quality output. I can think of several other music projects which various people whom I admire and respect were involved with which left something to be desired, such as the recent McCartney album. Oh well, that's life. Get over it.
Posted by: Bonnie Parker, DUTCH SCHULTZ, PHONE HOME
Posted by: Doc Mu , Lastly,
Do Me....doesn't
Posted by: Doc Mu, From a songwriting standpoint, C$ is less edgy, but easily more melodic than 11 ToW, with the exception of Girlfriend. I like Klein's production and aural landscape a lot. Something very positive about both C$ and TvN is Chris Potter's edge. My daughter, the school band musician believes that Potter is the best sax player she's ever heard.
Door Number Two is a grower - not bad
Downtown Canon and Paging Audrey are as fine as compositions as you'll hear in the Dan lexicon. Upside Looking Down resembles eerily a Rickie Lee Jones tune. Selfish Gene, Do You Remember the Name, Somebody's Saturday Night, God's Eye View, and Three Picture Deal are all sufficiently snarky and humorous, reflected by the melody and harmonies. The title track is absolutely unlistenable...and without that bassline and rhythm guitar Bob would be as well...it's just a groove. Moreover, Potter and especially Carlock sound tremendous. Carlock's a Lot less constrained than on EMG. Great keyboard work by Baker, Beard, and Goldings. One of the keys is Walter's vocal performance, which the background babes play off of brilliantly. It's a LOT more expressive, less warbly and enhances the stories, instead of getting in the way.
I don't hear C$ as a bad album at all - it's quite good and fairly rich sounding without a full Dan or Fagen stewing.
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, Rajah -
Succinctly stated - Bravo, my man!
We will neeeever have to worry about DF becoming hackneyed or banal.
He's an eccentric...a societal misfit...a keen observer of the manifestations of mankind...a charley horse to all things obvious - he's exactly what a good little genius should be!
Posted by: Doc Mu, There's nothing wrong with EMG and Morph that couldn't be fixed with Larry Klein production and mixing. He created a nice open, 3-D sound that sounds more live, a post-modern Blue Note kinda thing.
Things I Miss the Most, Godwhacker, Greenbook, *Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, Everything Must Go, What I Do, Great Pagoda of Funn, *Night Belongs to Mona, Mary Shut the Garden Door are all examples of stellar songwriting. Pixeleen and Mona IMO rank among the best compositions penned by Fagen/Dan. Songwriting and vocals were the focus of those 2 albums
Almost Gothic, Negative Girl, Gaslighting Abbie (for sheer weirdness of the melody), and West of Hollywood (written in the 80s) are the only SONGS that really catch my ear. Not that there are bad or even less than good melodies - just nothing classic. They key is the multilayered, multiple voice production. Even though the snare is a little too metronomic and high in the mix, The Donald really pan-fried Abbie, What a Shame About Me, the title track, Almost Gothic to production value level that is above even Gaucho or Aja. A classic examples is the title track for TvN, which IMO should lead off the album (I always play it first). Clever, creepy lyrics...but it's really not much of a melody...the rhythm track with its polyrhythms (although the handclaps should be mixed down), piano & Rhodes emphatic semi-loop, guitar over the top, the delicious 50s quintet Miles Davis horn chart feature the classic "multiple voice" approach where instrument communicate is 3-D. Donald's vocals here become part of the instrumentation. An aural version of the high gloss remake of The Thomas Crown Affair.
EMG and Morph emphasize the vocal melody line...with harmonies and accompaniment building around the melody rather than the multi-layered, multiple voice approach. The horn charts are simpler, but who shouldn't like the return of the synth blues harp (Godwhacker), the guitar/keyboard battle on Greenbook, and the hyper-midi solo on Gina.
Posted by: Rajah, Nobody's slamming WB, he is what he is, a singular artist who is an acquired taste. He's just not the craftsman of melody Donald is, someone who spins gold and comes along every generation or so. Gershwin, Porter, Rogers & Hart, Bacharach, John & Paul, that's the lofty company he keeps. Walter's genius lies in his ability to make Donald's work even better. Walter is the ultimate music Consigliere. The George F. Kaufman of song-doctors. The Don Zimmer, if you will, of bench coaches.
But that "Do Me," thing is uninspired. It's like my great-uncle Bacigalupo's donkey: it goes nowhere.
Posted by: zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, mattress commercial wow. the stars have tumbled from the sky!
as you know, i think highly of the deano and would approve of banning all mikes and bills (especially those with twins) from this board.
BUT, with as little due respect as possible, deano really. that song is an outtakes outtake from circus, which is a bad album. (which, according to the banner above, is coming!)
blind allegiance to our heros won't make their poop smell any better. (of course, there is a guy who'd pay 350 bucks for their poop.)
record company guy: hey babe we got a song for you by a famous guy - gonna help sales - gonna help sales.
maddy: well with the one and a half entendre title, and the LIMP music, its sound like my gardener, mr sam's, 13 year old grandson wrote it, and i won't do it.
RCG: listen honey, we got a million broads just like you in da pipeline. do the song!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachDenise,
I hadn't heard that this was Peyroux's first attempt at songwriting, but that may well be true. Most of the stuff I have heard her sing have been covers...but I have also heard her sing songs I assumed were originals. They may have been written for her, or they simply may be songs with which I am unfamiliar. Either way, I actually think "You Can't Do Me" is far better than any of the original/unknown stuff I have heard her do, in the past. In fact, I think the song really works, for her, better than some of the standards she performs.
Now, I'm not suggesting that it is among the great songs ever written, but it isn't a POS, either...the production and backgroud vocals help, too. It's a decent song, that comes off really nice, wtih Peyroux’s unusual voice.
Of course, trying to use this song to bash Walter, is so freaking stupid, that I can't believe it's even an issue...but, that's typical for some here. Remember, this isn't the first time one, or both, of the boys has been involved in a project with performers who aren't at the level of Steely Dan. Walt was involved with China Crisis, and they both worked with Rosie Vela, for Christ's sake.
I understand if the song isn't to your liking, Mike, but lighten up. Trying to inpune Walter's abilities, because he worked on a song you don't like, is the epitome of fan arrogance.
Posted by: Denise, HinktownDidn't tthe article state that this CD was Peyroux's first attempt at song writing? Perhaps the song is hers and WB and Larry Klein gave help and guidance, but I'm thinking the song is essentially hers. Although I must say, I'm not crazy about it either, I'm inclined to give her a break for her first try.
Posted by: Rajah, Mike, Donald has the gift. I don't think he could give us a blah tune if he wanted. Melodies mostly hypnotic. Bridges, we've talked about this a lot, where do they come from, how does he concoct them, they way they spring free from the main melodic theme, flip around in the air and then all fall back into place withing the context of the tune. Maybe it starts with being a great listener and observer.
What has changed on EMG and Morph is the production approach. They were purposefully not polished to that high luster of 2vN, Gaucho or Aja. We're told that they record much more like a live band now, we hear them say that, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." OK, I can accept that on some levels and I appreciate that the new approach is more cost effective, less time consuming, less maddening certainly. They took many years to produce 2vN, anywhere between 5 and 20 depending how you care to look at it. Who's to say it's not their best record? Don says he thought the material on EMG was stronger than 2vN. He wrote them so I guess he should know. But I don't think it's been the general consensus. Give me the high gloss SD anytime.
Posted by: Mike, Rajah, I'm surprised that this place didn't come alive with people showering praises for that waste of a song. I expect more -- much more -- than this from one-half of my favorite 'group.' This is just lazy musicianship, maybe passable for a beginner musician, but unacceptable considering the extensive history of who's involved.
My fear is that if people were to become complacent and just accept anything no matter the level of quality, it would open the doors to watered down songwriting. I feel that at least Donald still has a standard to which he upholds himself. This is especially important if there's to be another SD/DF outing. My hope is that there will be a little more *ahem* variety in terms of rhythmic approach and perhaps better, more memorable melodic content. Take that for what it's worth.
Posted by: Mme. Erzulie, an educated guesser...Well, Uncle Bob, I have a pretty good guess, but, in lieu of mentioning her name I'll just say she probably prefers to swim in fresh water rather than the ocean.........
M.E.
Posted by: ?, Wonder if DF and/or WB had invested any of their gazzillions $$ with Bernie Madoff????
Posted by: K Kaiser,
**Typo Police***: RE my last entry: Make that "pseudonym".
Posted by: Sing Jollity Like Sunshine, ...Aaah ... the joy of not having English as your first langage!
You won't get stuck in the lyrics ... or a melody that you maybe could've branded as "simple" and "too hummable".
Result:
You have another Becker/Klein/Peyroux ditty you can hum along to, long after the critics have given up and stopped listening to music - perhaps even living - alltogether.
No big deal.
Posted by: K Kaiser, Bob -
Under another psydonym (based on the 2 things that *"poured from the shadows where he stood") a year or two ago I stated this info about DF getting "whacked" by WB.
At the time, I was listening to The Beatles' "Magical Mystery Tour" and "Sgt. P" albums and laughing at the whole "Paul is Dead" hoax clues that John L. really initiated (although in interviews assumed innocence from).
And like a bolt - an "aha" moment came to me: WB was doing his own little macabre version of DF being "whacked". Obviously we know that DF is alive and well and still considers WB perhaps his greatest comrade.
It would make sense that WB would initiate this and not DF because he is the "sicker" of the 2 and should probably harbor the greater resentment and animosity, be it real or imagined, toward, DF.
*Is that a good enough hint?
Posted by: Bob Who Is Not Your Uncle Anymore, Not In That New York City No MoreWho is the woman with DF and WB in these photos?
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/dan0.htm
What is going on when they are sitting in a circle and holding hands?
Posted by: Bob Who Is Not Your Uncle Anymore, Not In That New York City No MoreK Kaiser:
Your link to the '94-ish photos of DF and WB is very interesting. Certainly DF looks more like the guy getting hit in the booklet for "11 Tracks of Whack" than WB does, and I guess with the baseball bat hitting the car windshield it pretty much makes your case.
Still, however, wouldn't it also be true that these jabs at DF by WB must have been something in which DF was a willing participant? After all, it's almost certain that the photo of DF getting hit must have been staged -- suggesting DF's willing participation in the whole thing. Given the senses of humor the two of them have, would you put it past them?
Posted by: Rajah, Kidding aside, Mike, that tune goes absolutely nowhere. The lyrics are cute but get old real quick, an incantation of similes. Now the bull in a china shop, that, I'm afraid is hackneyed and unworthy of Walter, a guy normally masterful at finding a fresh catch phrase. The music? What music? It's blah. The players are great, the material is...not.
I listen to Circus € still every now and then and I hear the care that went into its production. But I begin to tire of it now a few months down the road. It's probably not fair to compare Walter's compositions, his melodies which are mostly linear, his harmonies which, truthfully, are non-existent, to the way Donald and Steely Dan's songs move around so artfully. The best riff on Walter's record was left off the US release, Dark Horse Dub. That little 12 or 16 bar riff on flute or clarinet or whatever woodwind that resembles JS Bach and returns to haunt. That was nicely realized.
Posted by: Mike, You Can't Do Me = Boring. No memorable melodic shape, no hooks, no inventive harmony or anything of the like, no creative arrangement. Just a few linear bouncing piano chords, and her voice adds nothing of merit. Even the lyrics are just whatever. But who am I kidding? Walter helped produce it so of course it's the most genius thing ever.
Zzzz.
Posted by: oops!, old news dept.OK ... so I was just 12 hours late with that link ... (sorry about that. I'll try to clean the cache & update the page before posting next time).
Good tune, though. And it would be fun to hear the demo
Posted by: PGE, jazzy Saturday?Fact: Madeleine Peyroux new album Bare Bones will be released in March.
Madeleine, Larry Klein and a guy named Walter Becker wrote the title track and You Can't Do Me.
You Can't Do Me is now online for your listening pleasure:
http://www.rounder.com/index.php?id=news.php&newsId=994
Posted by: , Let's assume that some folks may be expendable
Better is the enemy of the good
A reference to DF??
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachI should thank SS, too.
I have seen one or two of the vids from 2ofUs playing the Dan, but theere are five of them, now. They do a real nice job...and normally, I'm not a big fan of the covers.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachAngel,
Thanks for that clip. It was great.
Posted by: Mme. E, doin' the twistI'm there, it's been a while.
M.E.
Posted by: Chan, BostonCool table (and anyone else) chat around 9PM??
Posted by: K Kaiser, Bob -
Check out DF on this "Dan Cam" page. DF's got the 'stache only and has the the black hair. WB's the dirty blonde:
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/dan3.htm
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TNI'd love to hear Walter's demo reel on that one.
Posted by: angel, Listening to "You Can't Do Me"Anyone else check out Walter's contribution to Madeleine Peyrot's latest CD called "You Can't Do Me".
http://tinyurl.com/Peyroux-YouCantDoMe
If the link doesn't work, query Walter Becker on Google News. Good luck.
Posted by: SS, HKShould have posted this song as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TEqKJ5laEg&feature=related
Who says the Europeans don't deserve a tour ?
Posted by: SS, HKhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZEIDHmwO8&feature=related
Posted by: Bob Who Is Not Your Uncle Anymore, Not In That New York City No MoreK Kaiser:
I asked you awhile ago about your reference to jabs at Donald by Walter on 11 Tracks of Whack, and you kindly responded with this:
* DF's head is reeling as if from a "whack", on the inner sleeve of the CD booklet. Why? Why that picture?
* A baseball bat smash to the windshield of the Kamakiri?(DF never really showed us a complete picture of the vehicle) Why? Why a baseball bat smashing a windshield - for the hell of it? I don't think so.
I think your point is very good with the second one -- but the first -- are you sure that's a photo of Donald Fagen? I always thought it was a picture of Walter getting slugged. Whacked, I guess I should say. Do you think it's Donald because it looks like him to you, or is there someplace where one of them says that that is who it is?
And thanks
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos"Blues Beach... holy FUCK do we owe you for that one..."
You've got to admit that that's a pretty funny line.
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!The last thing in the world Donald and Walter will be, is a "Rock Star"...and that God for that. There are few things as insipid and worthless in the world, as rock stars.
NYB clearly doesn't "get" Steely Dan...but, we have known that for years. Walt and Don would laugh at his pedestrian tastes.
What a joke.
Posted by: newark, in the kitchenThank God for the scroll bar on the right. Nwk
Posted by: NYB, usually B right!SHUT UP CLOWNS! I HAVE A PLAN!
I've been on the phone with Jeff Baxter all afternoon. Apparently the only way to regain our former glory is to extract Donald Fagen from the Uptown Manhattan Teaparty Cult! Never again will he wear a smoking jacket and slippers! And that woman of his... SHE'S SOFTENING HIM UP TOO MUCH! We're gonna get him a woman more befitting a rock star! We're gonna hook him up with JULIETTE LEWIS!!! Then we're gonna make him watch "Cape Fear" 14 million times till he gets the Max Cady part down pat! Believe me by the time we get down with him he will be READY TO BE A ROCK STAR AGAIN!
And Becker... the philosopher... NO MORE FREAKIN' MAUI FOR YOU!!! No more scuba divin' and puka shell necklaces you softie! We're turnin' you into Ted Nugent! And you ain't gettin no more special guitars from Roger Sadowitzowhathisname! You're gettin' a $600 dollar fender with a bunch of fuzzboxes! We're gettin' back to the Earth son! We live on THE GROUND... we live on THE EARTH! Not in the sky with the horns and the soft voices! You hear me Becker??? YOU ARE A ROCK STAR!!! NOW ACT LIKE IT!!! I'm gettin' you a date with Jessica Simpson... DON'T FIGHT IT!
And don't bother looking for all those old Jazz records you clowns, my associates have already broken into your homes and melted them all over a gasoline fire! Hope you like Robin Trower, 'cuz he's your mentor from now on!
Miles Davis will REV in his grave! VIVA ROCK N' ROLL!!!
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, It's Happy Hour!I have to say that I really dig the Robin Trower and like the Creedence (but, Motorhead? puhleeze)
Anyway, what does ANY of that have to do with Steely Dan? The thing we need to understand is that NYB isn't a Steely Dan fan, he just likes a few Steely Dan songs. That's fine...it is what it is. I'm sure there are Abba fans, and Britney fans who like a few Dan tunes, too. To me, they are the same as NYB.
Posted by: HJ, It came from down in the bottom.
Posted by: JH, Where in the hell did that psychotic shit come from?
Posted by: NYB, rescue from aboveFOOLS!
How dare you cut the balls off my Steely Dan music with your freakin' horns and your freakin' backup babes and your soft voices! HOW DARE YOU!!! I'm takin' over this stupid band! Shut up Fagen! Shut up Becker! You've had your say... NOW IT'S MY TURN! We're gonna have stuff like THIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWRI1vApXQ8&feature=channel_page
AND THIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRBjZxTF1c&feature=channel_page
AND THIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfjU3_XOaA&feature=channel_page
NO MORE SOFT VOICES! NO MORE HORN-BASED BULLSHIT! CHARLES MANSON IS GONNA WRITE OUR SONGS! AND FAGEN YOU'RE GONNA SING 'EM THE WAY WE TELL YA TO FOOL! And we're gettin' rid of all these guitarists too! 'Cuz I'm the only damned guitarist this band needs! This band is gonna be so fuckin' loud there gonna invent a new word for it! You own me this you bastards!!! YOU OWE ME THIS! Now get outta my office while Charlie and I figure out how we're gonna use this band to take over the world!
Blues Beach... holy FUCK do we owe you for that one...
Posted by: Rajah, Thanks, I aready knew that.
Posted by: hz, Hello earthlingshey raji- you stoopid.
peace be with you.
HZ
Posted by: Boston Rag, American IdiotSome guy just butchered Jay and the American’s “Cara Mia” during his audition tonight. Maybe he would have done better if he had Don and Walt on bass and keyboards.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: NPR, Worth checking out again.
Listing of three interviews with Becker and Fagen.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15231985
Posted by: Rajah, heche zee murakami - come back sometime when you make sense. Happy New Year.
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleMy top 2
1. Circus Money - Walter Becker
2. Earfood - Roy Hargrove
Posted by: heche zee murakami, your holiness hey zeusmy friend, diane, is all over the duffy thing. i don't get it - amateur.
in fact, there is NOBODY new on the scene that is doing anything new and creative, except for rap producers. and who can listen to that SHIT?
things are so boring, hoops is starting a taylor swift message board!
HZ
Posted by: hoops, on breakJacques: The fact that you are concerned about leaving a proper email address is much appreciated on many levels. For starters, thanks for having such willingness.
Thanks to everyone else who was also concerned about this.
Everyone: As suggested on the actual posting page, it is recommended that you use the word AT instead of @ and DOT instead of a period in email addresses.
This has to do with automated crawlers, etc that harvest email addreses all over the web, not just here.
An expanded answer to this debate is plainly spelled out on the same form page where you enter your post, right below the "Sign Guestbook" button, under the heading "F.A.Q., Suggestions, etc.…"
It's dated 6/5/2005 but I think I tweaked the part of guidelines about posting ticket sales more recently. Regardless, for years it has said this:
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Reviewing this, I think the boots part is still vague and should be re-written: As I have posted since Week one here in 2001, discussing the existence of bootlegs is simply a necessary reality. Requesting, offering or otherwise implying how to get bootlegs is what's not allowed for personal and legal reasons.
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Posted by: Rajah, I can't argue with you, Dean, she's a pop singer, she's a bit shrill. But I like her spirit. I spend my nights scrolling through the radio dial here in Italy and when I happen to find someone like Duffy, I listen. For me, that girl has got a lot of heart.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachRaj,
I saw Duffy on SNL recently. I gave the show some credit for actually having a musical guest that wasn't some fluff pop band, or "artist" marketed strictly on image. With that said, I really can't take listening to her. I acknowledge her talent, but I find her singing annoying.
Posted by: Rajah, Yeah, well, things change Angel.
Top 10? Mired in Euro-pop as I have been for nearly a year, this young woman from North Wales stunned me over the car radio this past summer with the most discrete glissando I've heard in ages. Thank goodness for that Jool Holland show on SKY.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=MkkmQNA_aRs
Posted by: angel, "...was disappointed to see the following posters habitually DO NOT post an email address (I thought the guidelines encouraged us to do so):
Gretchen, Brutus Charisma, Doc Mu, Hutch, steely dana, Chan, angel, Denise, Chris (nh), Hutch, Scouser, “The” Dean, Rajah..."
Wow, 8 years hanging here and that's the first time anyone mentioned me and a lack of email address on my post. lol
Posted by: ok, folkslet me have your top 10 recordings of 2008.
dinky
Posted by: Rajah, I regularly published my email address on here for years. Then I started getting virus emails whch crashed my units. So now I don't anymore. Very sad state of affairs. There's a very ugly cancer on this field of Blue, make no mistake.
It saddens me that a few deficients on this board ruin it for everyone else but, I hate to admit it, it's just a fact of cyber life. So filled with unfocused hatred, hatred of others, yes, but ultimately, hatred for their own selves. Dark people in dark places.
"Yes, Mein Fuhrer, of course the whole point of the Doomsday bomb is lost if you don't tell anyone about it."
Posted by: Mike, The second I see a headline like "New Steely Dan album on its way!" or "New Donald Fagen solo album coming!" I'm going to go bonkers. Oh yeah. It's gonna happen this year. I can FEEL it.
...Or the double-shocker: "New Steely Dan album & Donald Fagen solo album coming!" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine Beachrazorboy,
Not only did Cheney look like Strangelove (or, perhaps, Blofeld), I thought George H Bush looked quite a bit like the Penguin.
Atlanta, I don't know if the guidelines suggest including our email addresses, or not. Jim has never mentioned it, as far as I know. But, if you need to address me directly about something legit, Hoops has my email address, and can contact me. I ALWAYS post under my handle, but others have done so, as well. That's one of the flaws of this antiquated system. (That's not a complaint. I know it is like that for a reason.)
Posted by: fezzie, bostonBuck,i must say i am in awe of the apparent flawless life you are leading.To be correct in every life choice regarding yourself and still be flawless in your opinions about others whom you have never met takes a very special mind.Closed sums it up best in my opinion.I am so thankful that i have the ability to be wrong for without that asset i would not have the ability to learn.In closing Buck,Kiss my ass and go crawl back under the rock from which you came!! Fez
Posted by: Atlanta, Atlanta...was disappointed to see the following posters habitually DO NOT post an email address (I thought the guidelines encouraged us to do so):
Gretchen, Brutus Charisma, Doc Mu, Hutch, steely dana, Chan, angel, Denise, Chris (nh), Hutch, Scouser, “The” Dean, Rajah...
Posted by: razorboy, sxswofhollywoodAt long last....Happy America! Finally, a cool president. HeyMike, he's not my favorite either but I personally was relieved to see Rahm Emanual put the brakes on any last minute bush regulatory shenanagins. The people have spoken. BTW, did anyone else notice the disturbing resemblance of darth cheney in a wheelchair to Dr Strangelove?
Posted by: Buck, I was watching the Obama lunch this afternoon and all of a sudden there was Fezzie being being pushed around in a wheel chair after having a seizure!!!
Then I realized it was Ted Kennedy. He should put ON a white tux and fez too.
Posted by: Buck, I was watching the Obama lunch this afternoon and all of a sudden there was Fezzie being being pushed around in a wheel chair after having a seizure!!!
Then I realized it was Ted Kennedy. He should put a white tux and fez too.
Posted by: Rajah, Thanks, Mike, thanks. If you knew the pain and remorse I carry around in my heart on a daily basis, Jesus, I...
Posted by: HeyMIke, the land of roland burrisHey Raj,
I wouldnt waste my time with someone who wont even use the same sock puppet when posting on here. They would rather wallow in the bowels of the puppet show, ignore them.
The liberals could have shown some class today. Rahm Emanuel is a first class buffoon and I believe his days are numbered anyway thanks to his blago involvement.
Posted by: Fezzie, boston"Save Us All"If you had a clue you would know that i was for MCain in regard to my choice for president.That being said and having a clue,as an american i will give him the opportunity to SUCCEED with his agenda.Let's hope he is more successful than Mr Bush in connecting with the great unwashed!!He is now my president and will support him as such.
Posted by: Rajah, here we go again,Fargo, I have paid an unimaginable price for my actions. I have made sacrifices you couldn't begin to fathom and I have honored my agreements. Unlike the one with whom I forged those agreements.
And it's gaping assholes like you, bilious pustules, who are ruining this board. Stay out of my private life, you pitiful soul.
Sorry Hoops for transgressing in this way but I will stand for only so much.
Pray, Fargo, pray Hoops doesn't give up your ID.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachWeb Search,
Wood's effort on Wu is definitely better, IMO. But, the solo on the sappy Just the Way You Are is certainly more well known/recognizable (for most people).
Posted by: Fargo, Rajah
Be a great day for you when you take responsibilty for your actions
Posted by: God Save US All, USA, The WorldFezbo. When the copter took off with the Bushes, the Obamamaniacs started singing "nah, nah, hey, hey Goodbye" That's the song someone sings to an opposing team. So much for hope and unity. Obamamaniacs have no class, they are all talk. Did they even listen to their mesiah's speech????
So much for hope and change. With Barrack anointed President, only a miracle can save us now.
Give it a few months and we'll all be singing the lyrics to King of the World.
Heaven help the U.S.
Posted by: Habemus Presidentus, And Dick Cheney in a wheelchair looking like the second coming of Dr. Strangelove. Hoo-ha.
Posted by: web search, keyboardPhil Woods' Billy Joel solo better than Dr Wu? Get real.
http://www.jazz.com/music/2009/1/20/billy-joel-just-the-way-you-are
Posted by: Rajah, Great day for America and the rest of the world is feeling it.
Mu, one of the great classical historians of the last century, Mikhail Rostovzeff, wrote some great stuff about Roman culture and mores. His take was that for the Romans, sex did not create any kind of bond between people. Having dinner together, now that was an intimacy but not boinking. There were certainly rules of comportment, chiefly that you keep it all on the down low but for the men at least, they could pretty much have sex with whomever they wanted except for free women of their own class with whom they had no contract. Slaves and prostitutes over the age of 12, that was OK. So I don't know if that's austere by modern standards. But clearly Western religion changed sex forever.
Posted by: Fezman, BostonBest wishes,to our new president.
Posted by: Doc Mu , The Romans actually led an austere life, compared with the Greeks, until the Fall of the Republic and establishment of the Empire and great wealth...then Katy bar the door!
Let's not live in the 60s folks...Restrictions on sexual practices and morality certainly was practiced by ancients in numerous cultures, and those out of Western culture including many Native American tribes...while woven among superstitions there are a number of important Biological reasons that this has always existed in the human genome:
1. Pharmaceuticals against STDs were non-existent until the 20th Century
2. Effective contraception was virtually non-existent until the 1960s
3. Unlike animal species, including other primates, human ovulation is "silent" with no palpable outside signs. Passing down of "property" and lineage. Property and lineage can only be established then with long-term relationships, "enforced" by the village...because it's in the best interest of the village to know those relationships and establish hierarchy and cooperation within the group. Groups or villages who didn't establish such bonds or trust through rules & would be at a competitive disadvantage with other villages over food, water, & range as well as far more susceptible to harsh environmental changes (heat, drought, cold)
Posted by: Help Please..., aaarrrgghh!I pressed enter to make a line break and my post got prematurely sent. In case you were wondering what the hell that was... never mind.
Posted by: Help Please..., United StatesOn Circus Money, Walter wrote in "Somebody's Saturday Night":
Somebody’s Saturday night says oh I get it
You want to go where no man’s ever been
Down in the coal mine goin’ down turn around push push turn around
Digging up the gold and carrying it back again
Down In The Bottom..
Posted by: Help Please..., United StatesOn Circus Money, Walter wrote in "Somebody's Saturday Night":
Somebody’s Saturday night says oh I get it
You want to go where no man’s ever been
Down in the coal mine goin’ down turn around push push turn around
Digging up the gold and carrying it back again
Down In The Bottom..
Posted by: Help Please..., United StatesOn Circus Money, Walter wrote in "Somebody's Saturday Night":
Somebody’s Saturday night says oh I get it
You want to go where no man’s ever been
Down in the coal mine goin’ down turn around push push turn around
Digging up the gold and carrying it back again
Down In The Bottom..
Posted by: Rajah, Well done, K, I relish your very personal take, the reasonable specificity you've finally appended to it. The real genius of their stories lie, do they not, chiefly in the fact that they elicit just that kind of special response from the listener. We go to concerts and we cheer Josie when launched, it's a great tune. But we listen to them first and last in the quiet corners of our consciousness, alone at night when the lights are low, the cutains drawn, metaphorically speakin'. Their music rides over us along those seams of sense and nonsense and more often than not leaves us always wondering...wondering.
And I appreciate you calling me smart and hip but, in truth, I am neither...
Posted by: K Kaiser, Raj -
We all know that WB has a crazy, sometimes twisted sense of humor, and he, of course, is having a bit of macabre fun here.
You mean to tell me, Raj, the smart and hip fella that you are, never wondered why:
* DF's head is reeling as if from a "whack", on the inner sleeve of the CD booklet. Why? Why that picture?
* A baseball bat smash to the windshield of the Kamakiri?(DF never really showed us a complete picture of the vehicle) Why? Why a baseball bat smashing a windshield - for the hell of it? I don't think so.
* A definiton of the word whack. We all know what the word means, but WB relishes its ambiguity and provides the both literal and figurtive meanings. The "tracks" are "whacks" but also, and I quote his definition, the word can mean, "to deliver a "whack", ambush, or attempt to wipe out, a person."
Rajah honey, we know that WB rarely does things without reason or contemplation. He's having a poke at some sick humor here. He's the same genius who also (mostly) wrote the sick and very macabre lyrics to "Gaslighting Abby".
If the above isn't a possibility Raj, then tell me, why those pictures - why those definitons? For the hell of it? No way.
Posted by: Rajah, K - if you're being ironic or provocative I get it but if you're being serious, I don't see a scintilla of evidence supporting what you propose.
Harkening back to a post on Josie and her characterization as a bit of a dominatrix type, if I interpret those pics on the link provided, I must also demur. Josie's character sketch as given us by Don & Walt is probably one of the richest studies of any of the many and varied personages who populate the Steely Dan pantheon. We discover a woman who 1, really likes sex, 2, has been away somewhere for a while and 3, is admired and respected by her community. The song is also rife with classical imagery from the ancient Greek and Roman era. Ritual sex priestesses go back to the cult of Ashanti, probably even other cultures, many centuries prior to even the Greeks and Romans. Sex didn't carry any of the taint of Judeo-Christian morality for the ancients, it wasn't dirty in any way, it was merely a fact of life and even the secret of life. Josie is drawn from this well.
Then there's that great lyric about shining up the battle apple. I think of the Judgment of Paris who had the ultimately unfortunate task of choosing between Aphrodite, Athena and Helen of Troy as the woman best desrving the Golden Apple as the most beautiful female in heaven or earth. The Apple and the eventual battle it spawned after Paris' admiration led to wanting to possess the object of his admiration. The Josie narrative stops well shy of that. But as Donald says about Cousin Dupree, we never know what happens after the song ends, maybe Dupree's gambit is realized later and maybe Josie spawns a battle.
Posted by: K Kaiser, Hi Bob -
This topic has been bantered about on and off here for over the past few years.
The "hints" are not in the songs themselves, but rather in the pix and the the intentional ambiguity of the word "whack" in the definition.
I suggest you look them (the pix and def.) over carefully keeping in mind that it is WB's offering, then check back and we'll discuss.
Posted by: Bob Who Is Not Your Uncle Anymore, not in New York City no moreK Kaiser said below: "Speaking of Circus Money, there's no hint of maliciousness to Don anywhere on the CD like there was on 11TOW.
RE Maliciousnee: It would make sense that WB would hurt or would want to injure DF(a bit of schadenfreude), given the fact he's more defective."
2 questions:
1. Where is there "maliciousness to Don" on 11TOW, which after all, Don coproduced? I'm not saying that it's impossible that it's there, but please point me to it -- I haven't heard it in the songs myself and think it's an interesting possibility.
2. Which one do you mean is "more defective," Don or Walt, and more defective in what way?
Posted by: SS, Too true Dugan
Posted by: Dugan, HereJust a thought: the music that brought everyone together here is intelligent, sardonic, dark, dirty, funny, dangerous, self-effacing, and clearly has nothing in common with the mopery I'm reading below on this message board. People, lighten up. Get snarky. Get reckless. Chase the dragon. Buy the good bottle of red and drink it in the dark with someone else's girlfriend. Sell the farm. Buy the 5-liter coupe. Shoot down 7th Avenue with the windows down and the volume pinned, 10 minutes late to the Krantz gig in the Village and hoping to get a seat to see the best music you've ever heard, until next week. Do all of this. Because everyone, including me, is running out of time.
Posted by: M.M., Good Evening.
I normally lurk but wanted to say that these sorts of controversies usually pass. So let's try to let the water roll off.
As far as Dean's post, the level of squabbling here is pretty low compared to even a year or two ago. For years Hoops has posted countless times for people to simply ignore the flame baiters. That's pretty much the message I read in his post. Hoops says this over and over again and understandably some forget.
I've seen this with St Al, Hoops, and other forums. It's a lot of work hosting such forums and it's thankless. Especially when there is such emails and posts. I remember when St Al's forum went away for a while when the complaints got to be too much. I think the Blue even went away for a few weeks some years back. My worry isn't who will want to throw a Danfest, rather it is will the Blue stick around even if people keep throwing stones. Some people have some beefs. Let's move out of denial and see how we can amicably address some of these beefs.
Posted by: Gretchen, just my opionion, scroll on by if you wantThanks Dean. It's those individuals like Dean, Fez, Chan, and other regulars here that I've come to know through the last 6 years or so that make the Danfests an enjoyable time. Of course it's common to gravitate toward the core group that you become closest to, and want to make sure you meet up with those individuals before and after shows. Why the does there have to be only one Danfest for all? And what's next, a lottery that decides who plans the one Danfest for each show? Why can't a group of people get together on their own without worrying about "leaving others out?" Any one who feels slighted by this needs to grow the hell up. I've met many great people here, starting with Mohegan Sun and Roseland back in '03, and they know who they are. However, at a not too distant get together that was supposed to be for "everyone" there was an "new" individual who showed up who was rude, crass, and just there to make trouble. Another person at the same fest who was new on the scene had such a huge, in your face demeanor and spastic personality (and I'm not talking Rajah)that the whole night was a total pain in the ass. It's hard to take time off work, spend money on travel, hotel, and tickets and have to put up with nonsense when you'd rather catch up with the friends you see only during a tour.
I've had my say, and any anon slug may call me a Bitch, slam me here, or email me 'cause I use my real name and provide real email. I really don't care, I welcome the chance to humiliate you.
And if I choose to party with the those of my kind, share a hotel room, or anything else, I damn well will do as I please and it's no one's f'in business.
G
Posted by: fezman, bostonThe following recomendations will be presented to the commitee to elect the commitee to be directed to form the board of directors to impliment for vote the rules and regulations regarding a "Danfest" in Boston............NONE!!!!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachIt's nice to see a post from Fearless Leader (Hoops). I know he has been very busy, and hasn't been around much...so any input from him is welcome, as far as I am concerned.
With that said, I am a little disappointed that his only comment about some of the really horrid personal attacks was this:
"If you don't like what someone has posted, could you please refrain from responding to it or feeding it? "
I happen to agree with that, but I had hoped he would have taken a stronger position against these unwarranted personal attacks by anonymous posters, against regular contributors to the Blue. Whether or not you think that someone should post an obit about a person who, on the surface, isn't Dan-related, an attack against the poster is a pretty chickenshit way of voicing that displeasure.
Now, I respect that this is Jim's playground, and appreciate the fact that he lets us play here...and gives us a lot of latitude on what to discuss. If he isn't put off by these mean-spirited attacks, then I guess they will just continue, and there is nothing we can really do about it, except decide to not play here any longer if it becomes too offensive of a place to visit.
Personally, I welcome these occasional, off-topic, tidbits...especially when they are about talented artists (from various fields) and are posted by regular contributors...who just happen to be people of taste and wit...like Gretchen. So far, I haven't noticed those posts consuming the forum, or turning the board into something a real Dan fan wouldn't enjoy.
Anyway, that's just my meaningless opinion. Have a great day.
Posted by: Chan, BostonI obviously have been way to well behaved at the Danfests that I have attended. I apologize to all that I have met and been well mannered with. I did not mean to offend anyone by not hitting on them. Thanks to all for the respect you have shown me even though I did not touch and fondle you. I hope I have an opportunity in the coming year to modify my behavior.
Posted by: Brutus Charisma, Don's inspiration for HIS version of "Josie":
http://www.womwam.net/rl/1955/Swamp%20Women/INDEX.htm
Posted by: grouchy, grouchoyou get kenny vance, Jerome Aniton and zox to show for a steely fest - then i'll sign up.
whatevah
plastic soul man, plastic soul.
Posted by: Gretchen, Now after all that, will there be anyone who will even WANT to step up to the plate and plan a Danfest? It's made something that used to be fun into an angst inducing experience. In addition, is a quick SENTENCE (not a paragraph, a tribute, or links to his work) paying respect to one of the greatest artists of our time enough to turn this place upside down? Can't people just choose to scroll by? I know on many occassions I've had to scroll by lots of long winded (and often offensive)junk that had absolutely nothing to do with SD.
G
Posted by: Bluebook, WatchdogMu,
Fagen drinks cans of Coke on stage. However, there is at least one documented account of him drinking (what almost certainly was) a plastic bottle.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article744594.ece
So he probably does have some 2 liter bottles at home.
Posted by: Doc Mu , and that's the rest... of...the...story...Andrew Wyeth's brother, NC Wyeth Jr was a chemical engineer who, yes invented the plastic 2-liter bottle, often filled with Coca-Cola, Donald Fagen's favorite beverage...who played the *plastic* organ on the first album of Steely Dan, often accused to making plastic music...
Posted by: hoops, somebody's saturday night--wait!--this is MY saturday night, sheesh. ;-)Just on to address some email requests sent to me in the event one or two people get it,
1) Some wrote asking that A. Goiter's post from Thursday tracing Jewish heritage be censored. I spend time tracing the Jews in my genealogy, why not in this case? I thought it fascinating and it moved me to look up more about these, especially in terms of the half-Jews. I don't see where this was posted in an offensive way.
2) What is the connection between Andrew Wyeth and Steely Dan? Maybe there is one and I look forward to being enlightened, as I am sure others do too.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy quirky or funny connections made by Danfans. Exhibit A: The Ricardo Montalban thread ended up being kinda funny with the connection to "Glam Prof". And I'm open to the possibility that there is some connection to come with Wyeth. If Steve Jobs dies--G-d forbid--then, yeah, I would post something seemingly esoteric because in my book, without Steve Job, the Grateful Dead and one or two other far-flung connections, the Blue wouldn't exist--all major influences on Dandom.com. On the other hand, when architect Lloyd Gadau died, someone who I admired and felt influenced by outside of Dandom, I didn't post about him.
Should we post obits for everyone we feel moved to post about regardless of SD connections? Doesn't that dilute things? I dunno--you tell me. I have brought it up before and people seem to ignore and keep posting these esoteric obits and it's the same people. It comes across as a sort of nose-thumbing, but I could be wrong about that. I don't like hard and fast rules
3) Some have commented on an uptick in personal messages posted to the Blue. ("Email me Bertha!", "Did you get such and such, Fred?") Please only do this if necessary--and certainly sometimes it is.
4) If you don't like what someone has posted, could you please refrain from responding to it or feeding it?
5) I will post the comments received on the Danfest discussion--you have seen these already if you get the Dandom Digest.
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From: hoops@dandom.com
Subject: Danfest Registry Comments
Thanks to all who provided input about the Danfest Registry.
The Danfests have been an Dandom institution [ at what is today's Dandom Digest ] since at least the mid 1990s.
Below are the majority of comments. All were submitted to me personally--not to the Dandom Digest. As such, I have anonymized them in terms of writer, specific Danfests, specific people referenced so that the ideas and positions can stand on their own merit as well as protect the privacy of the author.
Please email me any additional thoughts. I will propose some revisions to Danfests in an upcoming Dandom Digest (circa mid-January).
Best,
Jim
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I'm all for the suggestions.
The Danfest page is a neat way to find out what is going on.
I always look like a tourist when I show up at these things because I have a print out of the Danfest info. Before the Danfest page the info was all over the place.
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During the 2003 tour, I signed up for a Danfest and then went. The host didn't show up. The host should be required to make a good will cash deposit. Ditto for those attending.
Maybe there should be an annual registration fee for Danfests. Charge for something and people will start respecting it. That would hold true for the Danfest Listings.
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You're thinking about having or going to a Danfest. So you email everyone who is on a designated email list. What is so hard about that?
Nothing.
Unless you are self-absorbed.
Hoops, you can bend over backwards all you want but some people will never change.
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I vote for the changes.
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The Who's Who know What's What about the Dan Fests. Anyone else is simply not worthy of partying with. Forget about everyone but who's on the Blue since those of us there are the biggest partiers. No rules needed.
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I move we dissolve the Dan Fest corporation in one final pool of margaritas.
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How hard can it be for some of these people to go and email everyone who says they want to be at the next local Steely Dan fan party? I was following things on the BlueBook and it was pretty clear that these people didn't want to even lift a finger to let anyone other than their personal Blue friends know that fans were meeting up. They remind me of those chicks on Sex In the City and the Two and a 1/2 men.
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I like the idea of there being an open period of discussion about a Dan Fest. Then after that period is over, plans need to firm up. This needs to be done quickly so momentum isn't lost. If there are no discussions about a fan meeting and it's just a few days before the show, then anyone should be allowed to jump in there. Otherwise more input is needed.
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I think a few rules are in order. I don't think much is being required. It's too bad some people can't think to include others in the planning unless there is a rule that they must.
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Regarding the Danfest rules, really there aren't many rules. What you have proposed is reasonable.
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Having been involved in every Danfest in my area since 2000, I find your ideas compelling.
It's my belief that the entire process needs to be far less structured. Here ..., we all might just EXPECT one person to host at her house, or to party with someone else at a campground, or crash on my couch & ride to the concert...
Weirdly enough, we all do that very stuff, individually or in various combinations, & we all end up at the same place in the end, anyway.
Rather than make a policy with contingencies, I think it would be best for a person--any person--who wants to host a Danfest at a house, hotel or venue to find a way to announce or publicize that to the Danizens in his/her area & beyond.
People will respond, or not, as they wish. In some cases, another host will contact the first host, even if they've never met, & offer to host it together. I can't tell you how many strangers I've met this way, & how wonderful it's been.
But there should be no input whatsoever from former hosts & hostesses. It's too easy to squash a new host's hopes if he/she's intimidated by what has come before.
But again, you can't make people come to your party if they want to attend someone else's.
I've spent some bucks as a hostess, but not nearly as much as my revered friends. That's a factor--it has to be.
Perhaps worst of all is when you make plans--even set up a potluck--& then only 10 percent of the people who've RSVPd show up. You can only stand to eat so many rumballs, mon. Too much red beans & rice makes ya fart for days. The Cuervo Gold? Where did it go?
I like the idea of attraction where celebrations are concerned. I like the notion that some greenhorn can say, Hey, I want to throw this party! & then announce his/her intention to do so--somewhere, including Blue Book, Digest, Craigslist, newsgroup, Yellow Book, newsletters, Meetups, Yahoo groups, etc.
Or to sum up, though the Danfest registry is a great way for people to keep track, that's as much structure as these parties should have. People have been having Danfests since before they were called Danfests, & I don't know... the mystique of that can make ya kind of tingly.
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I've been attended the digest's Danfests - were they even called that? - since the '96 tour at Tinley Park. I flew in from Philadelphia for the Danfest and met the Great Maggy McCoy. Around 2000 or 2003, something changed. It was a shift like the Dead Heads before and after In the Dark. I think with the [Danfest name deleted] the hosts got very competitive and arrogant. The Danfest listings helped break that, but these days it's clear those in certain fan boards think the whole world revolves around them.
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It seems to me that those on the Blue Book who were ranting about the November Danfests don't really give a shit about anyone outside their own tight click of pals. They should be left alone to have their own gatherings, orgies, pot parties, whatever. Then let those who actually care about bringing Danites together host the Real Danfests.
IN OTHER WORDS, TO HELL WITH THOSE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT MOST FANS, NOR REMEMBER THAT IT WAS THE DANFESTS LISTINGS THAT FIRST BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER. LET THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT OTHERS HOST THE DANFESTS. SCUM LIKE [names deleted] DON'T MATTER.
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I think the policy proposed is great. It's a nice balance of allowing input from everyone but still providing the necessary flexibility for the required driving forces to set the process in motion. I also think that those who have stepped up to the plate in the past to organize such events in their area should be given a greater say in how things get organized at future events. I'm sure their experience with different venues and logistics will help created better events. Thanks for all of your efforts on behalf of the greater sd community. They are greatly appreciated. Hope you are well.
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I think if you want to go to a Danfest, than you'll hang around the forums until someone says something.
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Fine by me!
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It seems straight forward enough to me.
You want to meet other fans so you sign up on an e-mail list. Then everyone emails back and forth about the details.
The problem is not so much the Dan Fest directory as much as it is a few pretentious types want to dictate what should happen and who should get invited.
I think the policy you outline should work well. It is fair.
I didn't like how the Fall Dan Fests were hosted. I bypassed the Dan Fest and just went to the show.
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The Dan Fests, Wing-Dings, etc used to be cool. Now they are hang outs for lushes and people who want sleep with someone else's spouse. In short, Dan Fests are real life enactments of Steely Dan songs. I guess that's what makes them a success.
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I saw the proposal for a Danfest policy and for what it's worth, here's my two cents:
I think the idea is a good one, as far as everybody having a say in where and when Danfests should be. However, I think that no matter what policies one tries to implement, it's going to be hairy either way. It's been my experience that when people try to make suggestions as to where a Danfest should be held, there's a constant sea of bickering over which place is more practical, cheaper, closer to the venue, more accomadating, and by the time a few people settle on one place, the concert's about to start.
That said, while there have been times that I've appreciated someone just grabbing the reins and saying "Ok, we're meeting at this bar at 6pm!" there have also been times when I've had an idea or an opinion and never had a chance to voice it. Off the top of my head I can think of one or two occasions where I was researching restaurants for a Danfest and all of a sudden someone would jump in and declare where we were all meeting up. With some exceptions, I like the idea of everyone getting to voice an opinion who wishes to as to where a Danfest should be held, but this can be tricky in places in bigger cities where the possibilities are endless, compared to, say, small, bumblefuck places where your choices are few and far between. It's one thing to tailgate in the parking lot because there's no where else to go, it's quite another to choose from one of two million bars in the neighborhood. And some people just can't make up their minds and then it becomes this place vs. that place and so on and so on. I'm sure you've seen this over the years.
And finally, one minor pet peeve of mine is when people from way out of town are planning parties for something that's way closer to other Danfans territories. I won't mention names, but this has happened repeatedly over the years. Not that these people don't throw a good party, but it amazes me how someone from several hundred miles away can plan a party when someone like me is 50 miles away. Hmmm....
"So what's your answer?" you're probably wondering after all this ranting I've done. Simply put, I like your idea, I just don't know how well it will work. I think it's a great start, but you just need to lay down the specifics, such as where posting Danfest ideas is appropriate (the mailing lists, vs. the Bluebook) and if someone else should be consulted first (i.e. Boston Rag for a Boston Danfest) if they've traditionally thrown the Danfests beforehand. And, of course, keeping up with the Danfest pages. I'd love to help you with that if I could, but I'm not familiar with your setup and don't know what you would need done.
Some people are stubborn and opinionated and are going to do and say what they want, that's really my only concern in all of this.
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I remember back in 2000. There was this huge Dan Fest in the middle of no where in [ a certain state ]. One lady was so controlling about what would happen at the Danfest that I decided not to go. Unless you were headed to THEIR Danfest that year, those same people didn't give a shit if you wanted to get together with danfanz. The Dan Fest page opened things up a lot for other people who weren't part of that "too hip" crowd.
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I think things are well run with the Danfests as they are, Hoops.
It's very helpful to pick a city and have that kind of extensive exchange that gets one excited like Christmas is coming.
It's also helpful to not have to suffer through dozens of emails about a party you will not be attending. So breaking off into groups is a good thing.
Good job! Keep it up!
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Yes, I agree with the revisions.
I wish I knew more about the website stuff, I'd offer to help, but I am
kinda lame. Oh, well.
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Hoops!!!!!
Go for it!
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It's too bad that a few people who think they are the center of the Universe make policies necessary.
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I think "policy" is too string a word. I'm not sure what word should be used but having a simple couple of rules as you have proposed makes things clear for those sensitive souls who need things spelled out.
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Some people will never share their sand box.
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Hoops:
The Danfest registry is just away for you to run all the Danfests from your little cubicle in Chicago. Leave it to people like you to make a living off of the Dan. Lord only knows how much cash you take in on these things. If you really cared you wouldn't farm the Danfests out to your friends on the Blue Groan. Keep feathering your nest but people are catching on.
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First I would agree with you that things should be kept informal if possible. However, if more standardized Danfest planning is necessary, I think that your text is a good start. I would add some time constraints to the discussion period for a given Danfest, such as "open for discussion six weeks before event, with decision three weeks before event" or some other deadlines that are compatible with the logistics of setting up the Danfest.
Thanks for coordinating this.
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Dear Jim,
It's generous that create a place for Danfans to meet virtually. On top of that you go of your way to make sure everyone knows where to connect in meet for real, even though you cannot come to every one of these. It's amazing how some people view such generosity with contempt.
The few little rules you have get distorted into something pretty horrible. Don't let the bastards get you down.
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At Thanksgiving time, I would like to thank you Hoops for sending me the Dandom Digest on a regular basis.
We all take it for granted. I just want you to know that I appreciate your hard work and dedication to your passion and that I don't take that for granted.
Thank you very much, I hope you have a great Thanksgiving week.
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Regarding Danfests:
after the show has been announced, set a time period, say 2-3 weeks, for people to submit danfest suggestions...maybe have them posted on a separate page, so people don't have to search all over the blue for them
after the 2 week submission period, give everyone a chance to vote on which event seems best...then, whoever wants to get together and help, they can all do that....
just my 2 cents
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I don't like a lot of rules, but seeing how some people can't play nice, then a policy is needed.
The Danfest Registry should be for paid advertisements. If someone wants to have a Danfest they should pay a fee to have it advertised. Let it include establishments that want to advertise there too. Why should people pay? Because the people who were bitching about the Fall Fan Fests don't appreciate what they got. They are very self-absorbed.
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The policy is a good one. It's brief and to the point. Some people really forget that they wouldn't have jad meet-ups or have internet pals except for the unique Steely Dan Land you have created, Hoops. Most of the other forums don't measure up.
I like the new policy. It's concise. It avoids having those who live 300 miles away from pre-empting the locals who should have first chance. Same for those who have no other life than staring at the Blue Book 16 hours a day. The only clause I would add is that the wait period is waived if it is less than 5 days before a Dan Show.
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The Danfests used to be great. But in recent years, they have become just a bunch of drunks meeting at a bar. Part of the rules should be that the fans do more than get drunk.
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Hoopster:
Without your efforts, the Dan Fests would have been few and far in between. All you have ever done is promote other people's parties and made sure that all fans have a voice in planning them. I can't believe how some of those people talked about you on the blue guestbook in October. Pretty self-ish people. It was Dan Fans at their worst. Here's to what will hopefully be more Dan shows in the future and here's hoping some Dan Fans grow up.
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I hosted one of the very first Dan Fests in 1994. That's when we were all unified, It's amazing what a tight group we are that they have carried on so long and have become a tradition. For various reasons I don't hang out on the blue book, but those who plan Danfests should know that it was the Digest folks who started the Danfest tradition. It's their loss to ignore the rich heritage and collection of people who exist outside the realm of the self-contained world known as the blue book. They are missing out on some really fine people and fans.
I like the new policy. It's concise. It avoids having those who live 300 miles away from pre-empting the locals who should have first chance. Same for those who have no other life than staring at the Blue Book 16 hours a day. The only clause I would add is that the wait period is waived if it is less than 5 days before a Dan Show.
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The Danfests used to be great. But in recent years, they have become just a bunch of drunks meeting at a bar. I don't know how a policy will change that. I say cancel the Danfests. Period.
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Hoopster:
Without your efforts, the Dan Fests would have been few and far in between. All you have ever done is promote other people's parties and made sure that all fans have a voice in planning them. I can't believe how some of those people talked about you on the blue guestbook in October. Pretty self-ish people. It was Dan Fans at their worst. Here's to what will hopefully be more Dan shows in the future and here's hoping some Dan Fans grow up.
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Simple and to the point. I think the policy is a winner.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!!
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Posted by: Blue, ReaderDefinitely a trend here on Saturday Night lately...
Posted by: kzkzkz, home...at last.OK, so I type in Steely Dan on the Pollstar website search for upcoming concerts and -no there are none listed yet-BUT; there is a picture of The Donald from November 20, 2008 at the 69th Regiment Armory in New York, NY. Anyone have info regarding this show?? Private show for the troops? I do not remember any mention of this here.
www.pollstar.com/blogs/photos/archive_/2008/11/21/photo0811210931026078610.aspx?SortType=&ID=627310&SearchBy=&StartWith=False
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, Leaving a nasty biteSounds like "Truth" or WTF needs something easing into his or her respective space to get rid of some of that pent up aggression.
Spanish kissin' Dugan? I'd like to see it glisten.....
Posted by: Rajah, No, no, Walt and Don respect and love each other like brothers, this is clear from their demeanor towards each other on stage and all their interviews. Walt does get frustrated with Don at times like the night at Soboba when the time came for, "Dr. Wu," as the setlist dictated...I saw the set list with my own eyes before the show, and whem the time came Don waived it off by with a bark back at Keith and Freddy. Walter literally rolled his eyes. Donald is a bit of a stick in the mud and as full of caprice as Miles Davis ever was. So be it. Don's the Boss, make no mistake. But the truth remains that Donald is not as good a songwiter without Walter. He's great but with Walt, their compositions are transcendent, of this there can be no doubt.
Posted by: K. Kaiser,
*Speaking of Circus Money, there's no hint of maliciousness to Don
anywhere on the CD like there was on 11TOW.
RE Maliciousnee: It would make sense that WB would hurt or would want to injure DF(a bit of schadenfreude), given the fact he's more defective.
Posted by: Dugan, ManaguaY'all cowards better hold off badmouthing that fine-ass woman or I'll sic Rick Derringer on the lot of you. Although I suspect said badmouthers are just a few lonely, balding sh!t-talkers posting in their respective basements while wearing their mama's bras and panties...
Posted by: The Truth, Hey What the Fuck---
Gretchen is the Bluebook's resident passive-agressive. She makes posts like that to get in others' face. She knows it doesn't belong.
Posted by: The Truth, Hey What the Fuck
Gretchen is our resident passive-agressive.
Posted by: What the Fuck, -What the fuck does Andrew Wyeth have to do with Steely Dan??????
For cryin' out loud that Ricardo Montabahn bit about the Cordoba was funny in a minor way.
Will there be obits for everyone who dies?
Why don't you start an obit page Gretchen. Then you will have people who care about such things.
Posted by: Gretchen, paintin'RIP Andrew Wyeth, a real American treasure.
Speaking of a treasure, happy belated birthday to DONALD, who gets only sexier with age.....
G
Posted by: T O Danfan, Frigid TownRespected Toronto music writer John Sakamoto has a weekly "THE ANTI-HIT LIST...AN ALTERNATIVE TOP 10" in the Toronto Star. Today's #9:
WALTER BECKER "Circus Money" (Hammerhead Remix)
"The reggae grooves of Becker's second solo album, released without fanfare last summer, likely proved too much of a departure for many Steely Dan fans,(not the real ones John!)but this remix of the title track-available as a free download to anyone who signs up for his online newsletter-shares many of the mothership's best traits: creative base playing courtesy of larry Klein, a bristling sax solo by former Dan sideman Chris Potter, slinky female backing vocals and of course, sardonic lyrics. The remix even boasts an extra verse of those."
Here's hoping for an '09 tour featuring both Don & Walt solo stuff and the much longed for but never played Dan gems.
Cheers
Posted by: Dugan, HerePaging M. Erzulie...
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NYTo Hoops, and any other Dead Heads here on the Blue, I can say with all certainty that seeing/hearing Catherine Russell sing Box of Rain was a life changing experience! She is AMAZING!!!
Posted by: Zembo, Fredneck, MDToday in the Washington Post Crossynergy Crossword, "Wedding Announcements", the clue for 35 down is "Pretzel Logic Band"!!
http://crosswords.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/crosswords/daily/front.htm
(you probably have to become a member for free to view this)
Posted by: Fife, Pittsburgh boundDean I'm heading to Tampa in April, this time for fun thank goodness. I might have drag my sister there and check it out.
Go Steelers!
Posted by: Steve M, Perth (Scotland)Well, I never expected to see a link to the my local paper the 'PA' (the Perthshire Advertiser) on The Blue!
Thanks to The Dean for that, Tommy Smith doing Steely Dan sounds too good to pass up, so I'll be there and report back to the Blue afterwards.
Now back to anxiously waiting on news of the Steely Dan European Tour 2009!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachA couple of Dan-related tidbits:
A new club in Tampa, named "Aja", to open just in time for the Super Bowl parties. But all is not well.
"AJA debuts with appearances by Pamela Anderson, DJ AM, Jazzy Jeff and several NFL players during Super Bowl weekend parties. A tentative opening date is Jan. 24 with a party with model and DJ Sky Nellor."
Yeech!
http://www.tampabay.com/features/consumer/article967903.ece
Also, for you Scots awaiting news on the Dan's Europe tour, the Perth Festival of the Arts, has this to offer:
"Tommy Smith with the Scottish National Jazz Orchestra, who will play a programme of Steely Dan"
http://www.perthshireadvertiser.co.uk/perthshire-news/local-news-perthshire/2009/01/02/benedetti-to-grace-the-festival-stage-73103-22582424/
Or, if you are in Perth Australia, on March 1st:
"Chris Potter Underground
One of the world’s hottest jazz talents premiers his new album"
http://2008.perthfestival.com.au/music/
Have fun!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachThanks for the tip, Hutch.
Gotta love Sonny.
Posted by: Hutch, rvaSonny Rollins has a DVD coming out Jan. 27th...
"Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus"
This is from Amazon:
Description
A loving portrait of a jazz legend
"Revelatory and engrossing" --The Boston Globe
Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award®-winner Sonny Rollins has been called the greatest improviser in jazz. Celebrated filmmaker Robert Mugge (New Orleans Music in Exile, Gospel According to Al Green) captures the artist in performance and in repose, speaking candidly about his life, creative process, spirituality, and music. Filmed in New York City, Tokyo, and near his home in upstate New York, this acclaimed documentary features scenes from the Opus 40 Festival ("G-Man," "Don’t Stop the Carnival") and the world premiere of Rollins’s "Concerto for Tenor Saxophone and Orchestra" with the Yomiuri Nippon Symphony Orchestra. "A fascinating musician at his best. Superb" --St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
DVD SPECIAL FEATURES INCLUDE reflections by director Robert Mugge and Rollins
Posted by: Rajah, Farewell GeorgeHow appropos?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Posted by: Boston Rag, .Really Goiter? Jews in show biz? What a revelation!
Posted by: Adam Sandler, Not too shabby!!
Posted by: 6, DegreesFagen is Alan Rosenberg's cousin. He's Irish.
Posted by: A Goiter,
No point, really, Fezman. It's the same as if pointing out that there is a mostly "Italian" connection (if there was one) between most of the people mentioned, that's all, really.
Posted by: fezman, bostonGoiter,what exactly is your point? Do you have issues that should be addressed in a professional setting? Have a nice day.
Posted by: Mike, "There’ll be some news on Steely Dan tour dates *focus* and more *focus* very soon.."
By 'more' I hope he means in regards to a new album.
Posted by: Dugan, SnoozevillesThat's all I get in return? Bo-ring...
Posted by: A Goiter, Boston Rag -
Interesting info. concerning the people mentioned in your last post:
Paul Newman... half -jew
starred in ‘The Verdict’ with Lindsay Crouse...non-jew
once married to playwright David Mamet... jew
now married to Rebecca Pigeon... jew
recorded with Walter...half-jew
recorded with Donald - jew
Mel Brooks... jew
former partner of Carl Reiner... jew
father of Rob Reiner...jew
once married to Penny Marshall, director of ‘Awakenings’...half-jew
starring Libby Titus as a nightclub singer...jew
married to Donald - jew
Posted by: Hi, HiHi
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NYGretchen, can you please email me?
Posted by: lol, liverpoolrajah that will still be great by me so long as ryan air and easy jet go somewhere near thats ok by me
Posted by: I Drove, The ChryslerIt was most likely a Cordoba with rich Corinthian leather.
Posted by: You, you loook maaahvelous, The fine Corinthian...
Posted by: Sham Wow, $19.99 for 8Per our cars-in-Dan-lyrics thread a few weeks ago, Ricardo Montalban has died.
I can't believe "Cordoba" and "Corinthian leather" were never used in a Steely Dan lyric.
Who knows? Maybe the Kamakiri was originally a Cordoba and we should be looking for the Cordoba demos.
Let's write an SD lyric around the Cordoba.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Six Degrees of DonaldWhile watching TV or a movie, I often think that the person I’m watching has met or partied with The Donald. I find myself running through a list of connections that could have probably made that true. Kind of like the Six Degrees of Separation to Kevin Bacon game that was the rage about 10 years ago.
Of course with the hundreds of studio musicians D&F have used, it’s easy to find a link. I’m looking for more obscure connections.
Here’s a couple I recently thought of……
Paul Newman...
starred in ‘The Verdict’ with Lindsay Crouse...
once married to playwright David Mamet...
now married to Rebecca Pigeon...
recorded with Walter...
recorded with Donald
Mel Brooks...
former partner of Carl Reiner...
father of Rob Reiner...
once married to Penny Marshall, director of ‘Awakenings’...
starring Libby Titus as a nightclub singer...
married to Donald.
Have at it Dandom while we wait for tour news…..
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Jethro Tull-, Living in the past
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/14/albums.irpt/index.html
Posted by: Lutz, SFIt makes sense to take the show over the pond.
The Euro is strong, the set list is in place and would have to be changed were it for another extended US tour this year.
It's good they keep their chops up, so much for the new material I guess.
Posted by: Dugan, Nino'sMme E....why no RSVP?
Posted by: vivo le jimmy, this coastyou remember him. he was the catalyst for our buddies' first playing of the steely in a small cave in a faraway time and place. one of the great moments in rock of all time. praise be to him.
The Jimmy Vivino Farewell Show
hosted by Prisoners Of 2nd Avenue
(Jimmy Vivino * John Conte * Rich Pagano)
with special guests
Saturday, April 4th - 9 p.m.
The Bowery Ballroom
6 Delancey Street (East of Bowery)
tickets on sale this week
Jimmy (bi-coastal) Vivino will continue to perform with The Fab Faux
but there isn't much time for anything else in New York
when your new home is in LA.
Who better than Po2A to send Jimmy off with a final performance?
Posted by: fezzie, boston"BostonRag"...Mark canyou give me a call i lost all my #'s stored on-line during the ice storm, thanks fezzie
Posted by: Rajah, Italylol, I agree that the prospect of giving up the £ is something that goes against the very grain of the English people, proud and independent as they are to the very end. But there comes a time when the handwriting on the wall must be heeded. An acceptance of the € would only serve to strengthen the EU's economic base in the long run. The € grows stronger apace as the $ is unfortunately losing its luster daily in the cycle we find ourselves in at the moment. Empires do not last forever, as the most casual student of history realizes very well. And the USA is coming to the end of its preminent position as globalization sweeps over everything and everyone, it will remain a major player but by no means the standard-bearer. Allow me to posit that the UK is a bit too joined at the hip with the USA at present for its own good.
So in light of that, I believe Steely Dan should shift more shows away from your shores and into places like Madrid, Prague, Geneva, Barcelona, Marselles, Vienna, and, of course, the cradle of western music, my Italia.
Posted by: lol, liverpoolsorry rajah the euro wont ever happen in the uk too many idiots will not accept it anyway a euro tour would be great althogh the beacon last june was fab .
Posted by: SS, HKCausal Fan, if you can swing the money, give your passport a workout.
Posted by: Casual fan, orlandoOnly in Europe?????
What a waste: http://www.incognito.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6079&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Posted by: hoops, Nothing rules out some warm up dates in the States. I mean some Beacon dates at least? <--Strictly speculation but you get the idea.
And the fact it's not at SD.com means it's not quite official.
Posted by: Rajah, Goriano, ItalyWell, finally, the mountain comes to Muhammad.
Hoops, although they'll never admit it, the UK is indeed a part of Europe, even if they drive on the wrong side of the road and won't accept the Euro. Which may change very soon.
I hope the Steely Dan camp realize that they are held in great esteem here in Italy. Northern Italy in particular has some of the best rooms in all the world. Milano, Torino, Verona (especially), along with great open air venues of Todi, Arezzo, Ravenna and Rimmini.
And then Roma.
Posted by: steely dana, Guess that means I'll have to save lots and lots of piasters if they are only touring in the UK and Europe .
Say it isn't so........
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHi Don, no way for me to order the Marc Jordan single from France, I'll get the cd through Amy Sky's website. Le funiculaire va bien , it's waiting for you, if there is a chance you come back to Pau, please let me know.
What about a new Monkey house cd ?
Phlippe
Posted by: hoops, On BreakThe upcoming Dandom Digest out tonight has unofficial info that the new dates will be in Europe and the UK. Specifically, The (London) Daily Telegraph says Steely Dan will tour the UK and Europe. Thanks, Jonathan.
Posted by: steely dana, vaLet's hear it for " Steely Dan tour dates and more info soon " !!!!!
Already saving my piasters in hopes that there will be mucho concerts to attend !!
woo hoo
Posted by: Fife, AFC bound whoohoo!Dean you could chalk it up to a middle age brain fart.
I received an e-mail from Keith Carlocks Facebook page today mentioning a video, his contest, and Modern Drummers reader poll. Here was at the end of it:
There’ll be some news on Steely Dan tour dates and more very soon..
Whoohoo
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachObviously, Don, I meant the "DEED" is done (that is, I voted for you), not the "dead" is done (I didn't die while voting).
Yikes. That's what I get for posting sober.
:#)
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachThe dead is done, Don. Please let us know how it turns out. I checked out a couple of tuns you play on, on youtube, before voting...just to keep things on the up and up.
I didn't realize you were a Juno award winner...nice.
Thanks for dropping by,
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoHumble thanks for the votes, and the kind comment on the Aja book. My editor at Continuum tells me it's still selling quite respectably! The song I wrote w/ Marc Jordan (also produced + arranged it, BTW) is called "Every Time It Snows." It was released as a CD-single in December on Marc's EMI-distributed imprint Cafe Records, but the easiest way to get it is on iTunes. Search either Marc Jordan or the title. Philippe, how are things in Pau? Le grand funiculaire -- ça marche?
Posted by: Rajah, Goriano, ItalyDon, you got my vote. Shouldn't have cause I know nothing about the scene up there but, what the hell, your work on the AJA book was da berries, thoughtful analysis along with insightful historical context. T'estimo.
Posted by: Philippe, Pau, FranceHello Mr Breithaupt, the vote is done, but what about that song you wrote with Marc Jordan and where can I get it ?
Philippe
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, TorontoTo the BlueBook assembled multitude:
I'm once again nominated in the "Keyboardist/Pianist of the Year" category at the upcoming CSJA Smooth Jazz Awards, and this year (dammit) I'm going to try to get the online vote out! If you dug my Monkey House stuff or my Aja book, or are simply inclined to do a fellow fan a favor, go to
http://canadiansmoothjazzawards.com
and click the VOTE NOW link; it's straight ahead from there. Eternal thanks, and if there's anyone on your email list you think might be inclined to click for me (doesn't think I'm pond scum, etc.), feel free to forward this message.
Happy '09,
Don Breithaupt
P.S. For the record, some recent musical activities:
BREITHAUPT BROS. REVUE IN NYC FEATURING MICHAEL LEONHART, CAROLYN LEONHART, CATHARINE RUSSELL; KIM MITCHELL (KEYBOARDS); MARC JORDAN (PRODUCTION, CO-WRITING, KEYBOARDS); PRETZEL LOGIC (KEYBOARDS); ALFIE ZAPPACOSTA (CO-WRITING, KEYBOARDS); MONKEY HOUSE (PRODUCTION, WRITING, KEYBOARDS); RIK EMMETT (KEYBOARDS); "NEWBURY STREET" (INSTRUMENTAL RELEASE, HIGH-ROTATION SJ TRACK); WENDY LANDS (CO-WRITING, CO-PRODUCTION, KEYBOARDS); 6TEEN (SCORING, KEYBOARDS, SOCAN AWARD)
Posted by: Chan, BostonDeepest sympathies Steely Daughter. DJ was in fact from Chicago. He used to post here and also chatted frequently with us back a couple years ago. I remember he worked evenings in a liquor store and knew quite a bit about wine. He would chat from work and would have to leave if the store got busy. He may have posted something recently here as I recall posting that it was good to see him on the Blue.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachThanks, Dugan
I will be interested in your report, after that concert. Wish I could be there.
Posted by: Dugan, This....ugh...Sorry everyone....didn't mean to start a panic. 2/25 show as in Krantz/Carlock/Lefebvre in NYC. And re: ALL being REVEALED, well, it's a long story, possibly without end, but fun while it's lasting...
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachFife,
I was also going to ask "what will be revealed?", but Dugan actually answered that question in his post: "ALL will be revealed".
Can't wait!
:#)
Posted by: Fife, Steelers DenThat's what I was thinking Dean. What show???
Happy belated Birthday Donald!
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachDugan,
What 2/25 show? Whatchu talkin' bout, Dugan?
:#)
Posted by: Doc Mu , 61. Yeah, whatever. ;)
Posted by: Dugan, This SuperhighwaySounds that way to me. Either way, all will be revealed at the 2/25 show.
Posted by: angel, Happy Birthday Donald!!!!!
Posted by: Detective, Anthony'sSomeone sounds in need of a big prickly pear.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachHappy Birthday to Donald Fagen.
Keep on keepin' on.
Posted by: Denise, HinktownHappy birthday, Donald. Thanks for some wonderful shows this past year.
Posted by: Boston Rag, About to be SnowboundHappy 61 Mr. Fagen. Keep on swingin'!
And Happy New Year to you Hoops and all of Dandom!
Where does the time fly? In a few weeks it will be the 2 year anniversary of DF’s weekend Woodstock gig – February 3-4, 2007.
Those were two special shows, for sure.
Gretchen – I would be excited about spring training too if Teixeira, Sabathia and AJ Burnett were coming to Boston. It looks like the Blessed Yanks have got their mojo back.
Mark in Boston
Posted by: Dugan, This Filthy CityGood Heavens! I certainly hope that's not an imposter. Otherwise I'm fully...at attention. Exclamation point. Zowie.
Posted by: Mme Erzulie, bang you sillyDugan, you can pull your milk truck into my space any time...
M.E.
Posted by: bikemann17, njKama outtakes?????????????? Never heard of them
Posted by: Dugan, This Bright Familiar SunGrammar police...lay off. She was trying to be nice. And why not post with your real handle, ya coward.
Posted by: steely dana, vaDonald:
Happy 61st Birthday, Big Guy :-)
Posted by: steelydoc, near the BorgataSteely Daughter, so sorry for your loss. I hope you will continue to hang here...
Doc
Posted by: Exclamation point abuse, The indiscriminate overuse of the exclamation point is the last refuge of a scoundrell. It's no substitute for placing appropriate words to one's thoughts.
Posted by: A, FanI'd like to use this creepy fan site to wish DF a happy birthday.
Posted by: Gretchen, Steely Daughter, I'm so sorry for your loss! May your Steely Dad rest in peace, hopefully we will find out his name so we can honor him properly here! Please consider joining us here and carrying on his legacy....
G
Posted by: Ann, BorneoCommiserations Steely Daughter. Please carry on Dad's tradition.
And here's another RIP message - probably as far down the musical spectrum away from SD as it's possible to get - but who brought pleasure to my teenage years - and who did lots of charitable work too - RIP Dave Dee http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7820435.stm
Peace
Ann
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Posted by: lol , liverpool uk my thoughts are with you steely daughter i to have just lost my father just on xmas god bless
Posted by: Janie Runaway, NYSteely Daughter,
I’m so sorry for your loss -- 2008 was a bad year for many here on the Blue. Please do carry on his legacy, here and elsewhere. Sounds like he was a great guy (and yes, WAY too young) and I’m sure you’ll do him proud.
Take care.
Posted by: HeyMike, NW burbsSteely Daughter,
I recall seeing an article about your dad in one of my google alerts
http://www.register-news.com/local/local_story_352114837.html
I think there was others too. Sorry for your loss. He was way way too young!
Posted by: Steely Daughter, ILThank you all for your kind words. Hoops emailed me and I replied a little while ago. We're actually from southern Illinois, a town called Mt. Vernon, but my dad's hometown was up near Chicago. It's hard for me to tell whether that post was my dad's or not, he acted a little different on the computer than when he was talking to me. As soon as I find out what he posted under, I'll let you know. If not, I'm sure hoops will let you know.
Hey, maybe I'll post on the Blue Book sometimes now. Carry on the legacy. :]
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachSteely daughter,
Maybe this will help. Here is a post from DJ in Chicago in 2003:
Date: Wed, December 31, 2003, 15:08:00 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago
All kissing goodbye to a great year for Steely Dan and to meeting some new steely folks if only in chat.
Toast up those bubbles tonight a little Brut and Charisma if you will.
See ya Sick Fruitties in the 04
DJ
Perhaps you can tell if that is his "voice".
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachYou have my deepest sympathies, Steely Daughter. As was mentioned, our fearless leader, Jim McKay may be able to find your Dad's Blue Book handle. And, as was also mentioned, his location might help, as well.
There was a poster who used the name "DJ" and was from Chicago. Might that be him?
Again, we are so sad you lost your Dad, and that we lost a fellow Dan-fan.
Be Well.
Posted by: Rajah, Dear Steely Daughter, I believe our Host, Jim McKay, might be able to track your Dad's moniker here on Blue through the URL of his computer. Maybe. hoops@dandom.com, I believe.
Your post has left me a bit bereft for words...I, my sympathy and condolences are with you and yours. Posting on here is only for the stout-hearted. So your loss is ours as well. God, now I'm really wondering who he was...let's see if we can find out.
Posted by: Chris, nhSteely Daughter - Sorry to hear about your dad. Was he from IL too? Hoops may know him by his real name, or someone here might.
Posted by: Steely Daughter, ILI have sad news to report ... My dad, who often posted on the Blue Book, passed away Tuesday, December 16. He was a radio DJ and die-hard Steely Dan fan. We made sure to include in his obituary that he loved Steely Dan. In fact, I opened up the last web page he had open, and it was the Blue Book. However, I don't know what name he posted under, and I'm sorry for that. I was just letting the Blue Bookers know. Maybe you can help me figure out what name he posted under?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandAnyone ever heard Toto's "Jake To The Bone"? Slamming tune, very tight arrangement. Jeff Porcaro just kills on it!
Posted by: Toto, on the Yellow Brick RoadDespite what some say, Toto was not all about schmaltz.
Back in the day there were 3 or 4 Toto tunes that we would get down to at the Friday night Union Hall dances, Georgy Porgy probably being the most famous of those tunes. Backing vocals by the awesome Cheryl Lynn, jazzy, and hypnotic when overlaid in and out on the beat trax in the locally mixed mashups concocted by DJ Insane Wayne.
There is a deep Toto cut entitled Waiting for Your Love, which really jams, puts you in mind of Brite Nitegown. And the vocals are eerily Boz Scaggsian, might even have been a Boz lead vocal stepping in on a Toto session? Give it a spin and it might change your Toto perspective.
The Toto love ballads are as good as any for getting you in the mood.
I agree that on some of their big hits like Africa, even with its catchy jazzy undertones that the band lost its way (mind) even though they were big sellers. But some of Toto's best work never got airplay.
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachGretchen,
I am a big Les Dudek fan. Les played with the Allman Brothers, Boz Scaggs and Steve Miller, at one point in time. One tour had Boz and Miller on the same bill, Les was the guitarist for both bands.
His early solo stuff, Les Dudek, Say No More and Ghost Town Parade are very good albums, indeed. Porcaro played on all three and Jim Keltner played on Ghost Town Parade. Also, in the mid 1990's he released Deeper Shades of Blues, which is pretty good, too.
I saw Les in 1976, and it was the loudest concert I have ever been to...still, it was quite good. I read where he was kicking around Florida playing in bars, but then when I moved here, he seemed to be playing everywhere BUT here. I had a chance to see him last year, but had to cancel at the last minute. One of my best friends (a huge Dan fan, too) saw him a year or two ago, in Buffalo, and says he still has it, live.
Your mention has me wondering if I can catch him sometime this year.
Posted by: HeyMike, That reminds me, Gretchen did you ever get that Charlie CD i sent you?
Posted by: Gretchen, Counting down to Spring Training...All the talk about Toto, Porcaro, etc. got me to thinking about some great music of the late 70's by guitarist Les Dudek. Jeff Porcaro played on some of his more well known songs like "Old Judge Jones", "City Magic" and "Central Park." Not usually heard anymore, they do sound delicious after all these years!
G
Posted by: steelydoc, trying out my new scannerI scanned most of my old Steely Dan ticket stubs, and put them up on Facebook, if anyone wants to check them out...maybe you were at some of these great shows:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=46582&l=3a80e&id=855894503
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown cubicleFlac, thanks for having a go at it.
Posted by: just to carry this, a bit further- as I'm on coffee breakIf Sienfeld and George were talking about Steely Dan and bop
Jerry: "So what you're saying is....Fagen is Dizzy Gillespie and Becker is Charlie Parker"
George:"exactly! And they've been disregarded for not being legitmate artists Jerry!"
Jerry:"I'm no sure discriminate is the proper word hear George"
George:"Ok...they've been underappreciated..."
Jerry:"Oh they've been appreciated George...every Steely Dan album, save EMG, has been a Gold record..."
George:"Oh Jerry! that's not what I mean..."
Jerry:"Yadah yadahyadah George...do you even know what bop is George"
George:"....it's when Charlie Parker dropped his sax on the floor....BOP!!"
(loud laughter...cut...fade):-)
Posted by: Steve V, Singapurah, Singaporehave had this twirling in my head for a bit....but thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone agrees or diagrees....
Steely Dan is to Rock
as
Charlie Parker/Bop is to Jazz
as I happily delve more into bop I am seeing more and more similarities with how Steely Dan has been perceived...and in many ways rejected by the rock world....bop has had a similar fate....once you "get" it you're hooked for life...but if you don't "get" it...you won't listen too much....
so are Steely Dan the Bop Stars of Rock??? hahha
anyone?
Posted by: Flac Flicking, in the studioDenise --
the lyrics on that last verse of the C$ Remix.
Here's what I've got after a few days of scrolling thru waveforms:
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The (? --im) sneakers and the leather vest
The grim fruition(?) of a lifelong quest
The dancing monkey [comes? becomes? com?) the human wife
The mighty ruin (or rune?) of a [middling? or 'midline'?] life (or lie)
Dogs and ponies in a tidy row (bow?)
A tiny trickle or a mighty flow
Won’t you tell me darling what I owe
Circus money for the midnight show
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anybody?
well at least I guess we can see the 4th verse doesn't exactly wrap up the song toward and ending with any less fatalistic, self-ironic grimness. That's our Walt!
any feverdreamer phDs want to give a go on the 4 verses of c$? think this one is a heavy.
cheers
Wlm
Posted by: metheny XRb4455t-prototype, aboard the borg shipPat ‘One Man Band’ Metheny
Jazz guitarist and composer Pat Metheny is gearing up to tour next fall, showcasing modern technology that will allow him to perform complex compositions onstage all by himself.
Expanding on his trailblazing use of guitar synthesizers and modern computer technology, the 17-time Grammy-winning musician has created a new Orchestrion, an ensemble of mechanical instruments that will be controlled by his guitar and pen.
He will show off all original compositions using the new instruments that combine conventional acoustic sound and robotic technology.
Dates are being booked for the North American leg of “An Evening with Pat Metheny Tour,” which will kick off in fall 2009. In early 2010 he will head to Europe and then it’s on to the Far East and Pacific Rim.
During the tour Metheny will share tunes from his new album, set for release in the fall of 2009.
Posted by: Ha-ha, wYeah, when I think "Toto," I think "balls."
Posted by: steely dana, vaLevon Helm is scheduled to be at The Beacon Theater, March 5 & 6.
Posted by: A Critic, Grabs usVideo was big when Toto peaked with the mega hits Rosanna and Africa in 82. Having a look on youtube, I see they weren't exactly Duran Duran stunt doubles. Probably had something to do with their fast fade after that.
Posted by: Rajah, Well Dean, all I can say is that in the desolation that was most of the 1980s rock scene, Toto was an oasis of respite, a temporary suspension of the punishment to come with the big hair bands. David Paich, Porcaro and Lukather filled a gap there for me. I liked them very much. Some balls there...
Posted by: The Dean, St Augustine BeachI'm another that couldn't listen to Toto, despite appreciating the musicianship of those involved in the project. I guess I heard a song or two that was tolerable, but "well crafted pop" just isn't something that I find interesting. That's a fault of mine, though, and not the band, who did what they did at a fairly high level.
I loved Jeff P, and enjoyed Steve L some, with other bands (including SD), though.
I thought that Stab in the Back had some Steely-ish touches and was OK, for the most part. Not something that would make my car's CD player, but not bad either.
Posted by: Rajah, No, no, that's a bit harsh, they recorded some very fine tracks. They were a goup of very fine LA studio musicians who decided to collect themselves and see what they might conjur up together. If you're comparing them to Steely Dan, that's just not fair. I didn't mean to infer that, certainly.
Posted by: Critic, Grabs usHold the Line was the name of that song.
Toto was a peabrain paragon of professionalism. I'll listen to them any day on Katy Lied, Silk Degrees et al but I never had an interest in spinning a Toto disc. No matter how good their chops were, they were state of the bland.
Posted by: Rajah, Hutch, thank you for that link, "Stab in the Back," is an excellent shadow tribute to songs like, "What a Shame About Me," and "H-Gang." No, no, let's not compare song structure to Steely Dan, that's not in play here, I think. But Lukather is a gifted rock guitarist, Love Isn't Always on Time, Rosanna, marvelous hits, he's someone whom Steely Dan could tour with at a moment's notice and besides that a he's really nice man from the couple times I met him at gatherings in the Thousand Oaks area up in northwestern LA County through mutual friends many years ago. The loss of Jeff Porcaro really was untimely for him and Toto, I think those two really had a potentially long lasting collaboration still ahead of them.
Posted by: h, uh.. exquisite.
Posted by: Hutch, rvaI got a copy of Steve Lukather's new cd, "Ever Changing Times". Great album... some truly soaring and exuisite guitar work and he's doing the vocals as well.
One song, "Stab in the Back", stands out the minute you hear it.
From the attached review:
With 'Stab In The Back' it's very Steely Dan-esque: as Steve says: "I also really like the way 'Stab In The Back' turned out. I am a Steely Dan fan, and I know Donald Fagen and Walter Becker and this was a tribute to them" - and the track does 'as it says on the tin'.
http://www.alloutguitar.com/review/album/steve_lukather_ever_changing_times
There are several live versions of this song on utube, etc.
Definitely worth checking out. It's a pretty cool tune.
Posted by: JH, Where in the hell are the tour pics from '08??
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TNTony Kadlek played a show or two with SD when Michael Leonhart was indisposed, perhaps he mentioned that to this guy and he thought Tony was doing the entire tour?
Posted by: steelydoc, near the BorgataI believe that's Tony Kadlek who filled in on some dates..I forget which year...
Posted by: Web Search, sameWho is Tony?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123119918968955349.html
Posted by: Still 'Sparkin, Hong Kong6:45 in bed Sunday morning and listening to government radio (jet leg) and on comes Somebody's Saturday Night. No break and straight into Tomorrow's Girls. The British DJ then explained the link between the tracks. Proof again that playlist freedom still lives in out of the way corners of the world.
Posted by: Gina/Mizar6, Revolutions MountainBest wishes for the new year to the Blue community here.
May i also recommend Jim Beard's Revolutions album he recorded with the Dutch Metropole Orchestra and conductor Vince Mendoza... for those who need a Steely fix, you won't be disappointed because Jon Herington is all over the lush intoxicating "Diana", a wonderful composition.
Every track of that album is just gorgeous.
Bonjour Philippe! Your musical guidance has never failed to deliver, so will be checking out the link soon :-)
Posted by: Ha-ha, wYou want to really mess with your mind, try to do what I've been doing since late summer: singing "Junkie Girl" lyrics on top of the Circus Money verse:
"The cops are out to shut the district down/I comb the ruins of your stomping grounds"
Try that over Carlock's drums. You won't go back.
Posted by: Denise, fill in the blanksLyrics to the last verse of the C$ remix?
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...life-long quest
....
dogs and ponies...
tiny trickle or a mighty blow
won't you tell me darlin' what I owe
circus money for the late night show
circus money for the late night show
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Borgatahey kids
the polls are open for the 2009 Modern Drummer Readers Poll:
http://www.moderndrummer.com/contest.php
let's all get out and vote, early and often!! You can vote more than once, if you have different email addresses: one from work, one from home, the secret address you use for those "special things" etc.....
spread the word and vote for KEITH CARLOCK for BEST ALL AROUND
thanks!!!
Posted by: kzkzkz, NYCWayne Krantz + Keith Carlock + Tim Lefebvre
Wed. Feb. 25, 2009 @ Sullivan Hall - NYC
(214 Sullivan Street bet. Bleecker & W. 3rd)
www.sullivanhallnyc.com
Posted by: Rajah, It does. I think I also have a vinyl citing Jarrett.
Posted by: As Long as I'm, On the BlueI see Keith Jarret getting songwriting credits for Gaucho on steelydan.com. Anyone know if the CD now does also?
Posted by: Philippe , Pau, FranceHello America, happy new year from France.
May I suggest some fine music to start the year, a lot of Dan influences and connections on that album, check it at http://cdbaby.com/cd/samuelpurdey .
Elliot Randall soloing like in the good old days , Elliot Scheiner producing, download and rendez vous on the Blue for your impressions.
Bonne année, que la musique nous aide à traverser 2009 en douceur.
Philippe
Posted by: S-Fan, NJAnyone seeing Boz Scaggs next week? Jon Herington is playing these dates.
Jan 09, 2009 - MGM Grand - Mashantucket, CT
Jan 10, 2009 - Count Basie - Red Bank, NJ
Jan 11, 2009 - City Winery - New York, NY
Jan 13, 2009 - Bergen PAC - Englewood, NJ
Posted by: Scouser, 3rd rockHappy new year Raj...And all the best from Karen
Posted by: angel, What a nice end to the old and start to the new. Walter, thanks so much for the gift that just keeps giving...music. :-)
Happy New Year Dandom!
Posted by: Rajah, RomaYeah, sweety, it's the latest rave of gay Paree, a roll of Bounty wrapped round one's head in honor of the Revolution. Off with their heads, eh! But no, silly, not a dingle berry in sight but a berry from the mountains of the Appenine. Look it up, you'll find it. Eventualy.
So chuffed that you're still so wet for me, petal, I've missed you.
Posted by: Not Your Average Fish Lips, Beyond the diamond and the pearl Rajah you are the King of style and chic. Is that toilet paper roll wrapped around your head something new from your last trip to Paris or just a tangle with a dingle berry and one too many Xanax or does your cat litter box runneth over again?
Posted by: Walt's Doppelgänger, mexamericanadamike parody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7pDKmOqkvs
sounds good to me
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