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Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 16:49:01
Led Zeppelin, that's like ages ago. a lot was listened to but not all stuck like Steely Dan did, after all these years it's safe to say their studiophile preference and maybe stubborn attitude to do what they want instead of what was perhaps the most courteous to their audience at the time = perform & tour repeatedly was a big part of their charisma. especially here in Holland where it was even a bigger secret what they were up to, any news was already the day before yesterday's news when it reached us ..
does anyone still listen to Jimi Hendrix like regularly now .. to name just one ..
about Libby Titus .. i had no clue she co-wrote Love Has No Pride, i just love that song by Bonnie Raitt.
hats off to those who know all there is to know (and maybe even more) about Steely Dan, the history, the works. and who have this chronological memory of events, like being this eyes & ear witness.
i am currently part of this project, writing about amateur soccer clubs. they are tight communities of all kinds of people, social status etc. sure people come to watch the game and all but it's also about just being there, part of something. a lot thrives on the willingless of people to devote time and energy to the club, there's always something that needs to be done. gotto just admire this love and bonding people feel for their club. something to call their own.
and it can't be explained, why that particular neighbourhood and not some other .. maybe it's the same when it comes to "Dandom". it's not the only music people listen to. but it's a main frame? it's basics, as familiar as mom and dad and gramps and nanna? it's glued to memories of childhood and puberty and adolescence? this world of thoughts and views and impressions that made sense altogether when the opposite seemed more obvious to your environment? you didn't grow out of it but closer to it, with it?
like Prince, they sure had an imago to. i recall when a SD song was played on the radio the DJ always announced them like two rare breeds and perfectionists, preferring a studio to create their music instead of tour around etc. like they were the Howard Hughes' in music? oops. this a long one. sorry!
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 14:18:24
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 10:32:51
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 10:29:17
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 10:23:03
from the making of aja video it seems like they go through many iterations of a song with multiple musicians, it's a wonder they can keep track of it all when it comes to writing up the liner notes!
speaking of which, on that video, when they are playing all the guitar lead ins on the boards, isn't one of those rejects larry carlton? - another family discussion in the car coming home from vermont.....
so much for singing 100 bottles of beer on the wall on family car trips, huh?
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 09:41:21
I would love to see what you have concerning this.
I definitely have to check out I've Got the News now....
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 01:38:43
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 00:51:25
I'll post info on the new LA Danfest Mail List in the next day here and at the other usual Dan Fan venues.
Date: Tues, July 31, 2001, 00:06:34
The evening will feature performances by The Steely Fan Band This will be a good chance for those in SoCal (particularly in the north Valley and Ventura areas) to make a Steely Dan tribute show without having to go all the way to San Diego (even though I WHOLEHEARTEDLY recommend making that drive on a regular basis to catch the Steely Damned).
(See "the yellow" for comments by Steevveee Dan on the W1P show at the House of Blues.)
Please Email me for more details.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 23:07:28
Of course, I am going to now agree that the guitar credit on "Black Friday" is questionable. More studies to be conducted.
And didn't Prince go through a phase where he was dressing in long, luxurious jackets? Well, when I saw the New York Rock and Soul Revue at Indy in '92, Donald also had a long, luxurious smoking jacket on. Probably not enough to consider him influenced by Prince, except Fagen made his entrance by driving up on stage on this kick-ass chopper. If that wasn't Prince circa "Purple Rain," I don't know what would be.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 19:25:02
Steely Fan Band hits the road again this week, with a new show and even MORE NEW Steely songs!,
Join us THIS Saturday night, August 4: The Old Town Pub,Pasadena,Ca.(On Fairoaks Blvd. in old town just south off the 210 Freeway) at 9:00pm-tickets at the door $5.00!
Next week you'll be in for a treat! 3 incredible tribute bands will perform on one stage..for 4 hours of classic rock!
Next Saturday Night, August 11..you'll wanna be at Palidinos in Reseda,Ca.SFB will hit the stage at 8:00pm sharp! Then stay for Led Zepagain(Led Zeppelin)at 10:00pm..followed by Which One's Pink(Pink Floyd) at 11:30pm..tickets at the door are $10.00 .. THIS WILL BE A SELL-OUT ,SO GET THERE EARLY FOR THE BEST SEATING!
We look forward to seeing you at the following upcoming shows:
August 18,2001-Hurricanes Bar and Grill, Downtown Huntington Beach,Ca.-9pm
September 2,2001-The Hermosa Beach Fall Festival, Hermosa Beach,Ca.-3pm
September 9,2001-Private Party. Newport Beach,Ca.-3pm
Thanks Again,
Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 18:46:47
2:21-2:43: most certainly Walter
3:26-3:33: LC??
KD, are you out there?
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 18:26:47
How about Lisa Coleman, Wendy and Susannah Melvoin (keyboards, guitars and vocals) .. they did a fine job on Neil Finn's new one and lika Sheila E. have been into the Prince Circus .. it's not a Babe Choir next tour but an entire Babe Orchestra for Walter and Don!
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 13:16:05
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 12:30:02
in the liner notes for I got the News, both Larry Carlton and Walter Becker are noted as solo guitarists: my question is, upon listening to the remaster in my subaru (94) i only heard the solo guitar of the signature smoky guitar of Larry Carlton and my husband heard the opposite, he said it was Walter - hmmm, so, which one of us is right? i heard only one "solo" maybe i missed something?
if a solo is heard in a subaru, is it the engine?
thanks!
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 09:30:28
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 09:03:42
since he was a guest here in Rotterdam last year and we had half the Yellowjackets cast on stage ... quite an incredible list there, it might jog Pete Fogel's memory for more stories?
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 07:23:47
Btw, Prince was clearly overrated, riding the crest of a musical void we call the 80's.
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 07:21:13
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 05:03:13
Prince has needlepointed and embroidered and juggled formulas that are easily taken over, like D'Angelo is doing, even Erykah Badu. It's "black" music and often very typical for the 80's. Because of his hits the better songs became flipsided and that's a pity. For when mass media and public is all over you, it's hard to change a general opinion formed. Does Prince have a loyal fandom like SD has? Bob, the wagon stopped just to pull you back on again!
Date: Mon, July 30, 2001, 00:13:51
I've heard a lot of musicians--some even half-way respectable--sing the praises of Prince. Yeah, there's some stuff of his that I really groove to, but I'm not one for personal image, Prince's or most any musical artist. I also heard that line where Prince was compared to Ellington, but I sure couldn't tell you where it's from. Maybe it has to do with both being prolifric. But my impression is Duke came across as a gentlemen and Prince is...well...I'm generally not one for being all excited about a musician's personal image. Don't think I have ever seen our favorite duo comment on Prince.
One quote that's germaine is from Joni Mitchell who commented (perhaps in the now defunct "Musician" magazine) that Dylan was an original. Jaco was an orginal. Prince is not original, but an eclectic who brings other's ideas together. I guess a cynic might call that a "copier." The word she used escapes me, but the gist was that Prince is really good but not as great as some people believe. Assuming Joni's opinion matters to you.
One point though, tieing in a thread from yesterday; Candy Dulfer played in Prince's band about 10-12 years ago. Prince cancelled one tour Candy was supposed to play on and Candy read him the riot act. Floored, Prince had her on the next tour. Of course that story may sway you *for* OR sway you *against* the idea of Candy appearing or guesting in any SD band. I dunno...
Admittedly, I'm at a loss at the moment to offer any possibilities of D + W adopting Princisms. I'm just glad someone suggested that the Midriff section appear in the black lacy stuff and not the rest of the band. That would be SCARY!
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 17:37:27
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 16:32:29
Your label (the OTHER WB) would be pissed if you released 11 Albums of Whack in four years.
Ella = Wendy + Lisa?
(W&L are playing with Neil Finn, the anti-Prince, now on his One Nil CD - import only)
Billie = Apollonia?
2-3 releases was a slow year for the Duke in his prime. His discography is in the hundreds...
D&W follow up Ya Gotta Walk it Like Ya Talk it with 4 increasingly lame movies?
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 15:37:30
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 15:31:33
The Midriff Section would be dressed in lingeré. Then again based on last year's show reports, there were a few times that they practically were.
Sheila E. on sax?
Odd stage behavior like Donald licking the tip of his index finger and then running his index finger across his fly.
Walter appears onstage with the word BITCHMASTER written on face. Donald's face has SLAVE written on it.
Few but mysterious interviews. I guess for the first 20 years of Steely Dan we already experienced that.
SD could become THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS MR. STEELY DAN. What would their symbol be?
And my favorite possibility is that we would have 2-3 releases per year. Then again, each CD would be $50 via steelydan.com with 24 weeks delivery time if ever.
I don't think Ellington ever did any of the above shit.
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 14:13:27
Date: Sun, July 29, 2001, 12:39:37
Prince has that funk thing going, the sexy lyrics and is certainly serious about his music and definitely hip. Yet, Prince also seems rather flambouyant and overtly egotistical. I hear he writes a song every day! So I can see where Steely Dan would give him a thumbs up and also where they might give him a thumbs down.
I like a lot of Prince's 1980s stuff, especially from 1979-1985, but then he started to lose me, especially after that artist-symbol nonsense.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2001, 19:56:37
Thank you.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2001, 18:14:31
To others (and Pat is the last person who needs to be told this): If people post things seemingly to get a rise out of you, remember you don't have to respond. Often it just gives the previous remarks more energy and you are taking the bait for their kind of entertainment. Of course, what I really love is when someone comes back with some good, FUNNY chops of their own. That's the best and the most SD-like.
For all: Again, the idea is that each sort of SD resouce tends to take on different personalities. Compare SIS with here with Yahhoo with Matt and Amanda's or Blaise's or AOL or Miz Ducky's or the Digest or the alt group or JOD's yahoo thing... well, you get the idea. Maybe the vibe of one venue is better suited to a certain kind of conversing than another. That's part of the experiment. I don't get where people think they have to choose one or the other.
As for the choir, the one on the 2K tour was great, BUT Catherine Russell was a talent I really loved on previous tours and Mindy Jostyn was a multi-talented feature of NYR n S Revue shows. They would be great come-backs.
And also the idea of different talent is a great thing because without the new vocal sections in 1996 & 2000, I would never have discovered the solo sounds of Carolyn, Victoria and Cynthia. So while these past ensemble members were great, I liked being exposed to other new things too.
I know the SD stage in 1996 & 2000 had this Guys-on-the-left (horns) and ladies-on-the-right (vox) thing going. Then again, I have this thing for Dutch Sax player Candy Dulfer, who came to my attention via Van Morrison's band. Now some say she's a lightweight but I can't see a lightweight surviving Van's band even if she were as beautiful as Candy is. I think she's got something great going. So it would be interesting to see her up there blowing sax on the SD tour 2002 (or 2003 or 2004...or whenever the next tour is).
Keep in mind too, that the players' asking price and schedule may also prevent certain people from being on a particular tour even if SD, the player, or the vocalist wanted to be there.
Date: Sat, July 28, 2001, 17:18:49
i wonder if it's a gal's thing ... sorry ~md about this gender questions ... but i rarely hear guys speak of the free zone in which they encounter something Steely Danned or make decisions being inspired by the music ... wait up ... i remember St. Al's story about rushing to the hospital when baby Stella Rae was about to enter this world and he heard Reelin' In The Years ... oh well, all for the better then it's not a gal or guys thing only :-)
i wonder if people made HUGE decisions that had Steely Dan involved ... like get married OR NOT, buy a car, a house, change jobs, change friends ...
if WB and DF were to tour again and had to gather this new group of musicians, who would their loyal Fandom choose? even the Babe Choir, who'd you like to see?
Date: Sat, July 28, 2001, 15:38:23
StAl
Date: Sat, July 28, 2001, 13:10:44
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 17:09:40
A way good investment. This cd is a jazzy eclectic mix of everything from Van Morrison to unknown's such as Pepe & the Bottled Blondes. I don't buy things often so this was a big step for me. I mean, there are Steely Dan cd's I don't yet own. (gasp!) I highly recommend this disc. Anyone else got it? Your news and views? Wait, but first, go back a couple of days and answer my first question. =)
Geez Neg- that is SOME analysis. Way to go. I commend you.
~md
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 16:58:17
Been off-line for a while but was just reading over some posts from the last week.
Just want to say that I'm not MOD. I post as either Boston Rag or Mark from Boston.
I'm off to the Cape for a week of vacation but when I get back I'll have some news on the Berklee Tribute CD from back in May. (Sorry, it's been a while but you would not believe the morons and the red tape at that fine institute of higher learning).
Talk to you soon!
Mark in Boston
n.p. The Doves "Catch THe Sun"
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 16:13:44
Results of Actual Study: There is a direct correlation between the amount of time you spend at post-Steely Dan tour Cover Band shows and the amount of time you spend beating off while your girlfriend is away.
Here's another name for the blue pages:
Banyan Free Dandom Trees -- A good one, don't you think?
Until next time.
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 11:40:28
Speaking of which, I posted this earlier to the "yellow" GB. Hoop's is my buddy. I fully support any endeavor he participates in. Well, at least Steely Dan related endeavor...
StAl
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 08:51:49
Date: Fri, July 27, 2001, 07:34:06
does an english Tribute Band count as well?
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 23:45:38
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 22:14:15
she isn't dark and elusive by choice, but by nature. seems her inclinations have precipitated the snafu which currently passes for her life. she has likely sold her soul to the night in exchange for the things she lacks- and in doing so, becomes liveried. it is a worldly devil that owns here though, not a philosophical one. you can't call her at home because he's there to intercept. she wants to be with our male hero, probably yearns for him. sadly, she has escapist tendencies that draw her into herself so far, she gets lost en route to the intended. how else could she bear the situation? she is looking for hearts to 'crunch' not crush, mind you. in modern slang, crunching means digging on somebody. she is just looking for diversion- a soul for the offering to dissect and inspire her in this most sullen of places. maybe she wants to be rescued, but the blackness has become too familiar a place to depart. it's obvious she's a fragile creature and could use a savior type. at the same time, she's self-destructive and will likely bring down the castle in tandem. she's in & out of reality and this dream world of her own construction (edge of the frame). she DOES need the hero and beckons him- but she's programmed to be on the defensive and not to trust. she doesn't know how to accept a hand, so she locks down into auto-pilot. reptile brain is likely a reference to some maslow type of thing: on the lowest rung, one only has basic survival in mind. when she isn't threatened, the idea of love surfaces into her head. i think she cares for the hero and shows him in her own way, albeit an unconventional one. he knows the truth from her eyes, so ignores her behaviors. she let him have a taste of what's contained in the inner sanctum- so now he has to be near her, no matter the personal cost.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 21:30:24
*TAP TAP TAP*
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 19:48:57
Two examples: When Which One's Pink? plays Time, there is a rumble to that first bass note that rips right through to your chest. Sharing that with a crowd of Floydheads is an out of body experience.
When The Steely Damned hits those bass notes on Black Cow, its very similar to what is described above. Yes I'm biased, but I am THANKFUL for the existence of tribute (don't call 'em cover) bands.
Here's another reason why tribute bands are cool (although this has nothing to do with a comparison to CDs): When Pink Floyd toured in 1987 and 1994, they considered playing Sheep. However, because Roger left the band, David Gilmour did not believe that he could muster the vitriol required to perform the song properly. So Sheep ended up on the cutting room floor and has not been performed live by Pink Floyd or Roger Waters solo since 1977. When you come see Which One's Pink?, you the glory of a powerful live version of Sheep in all its glory. Similarly, Steely Dan toured in the 90s (correct me if I'm wrong), they did not play The Caves of Altimira. When you see the Steely Damned, you get the song live with a full horn section to knock your socks off. If the tribute band is any good, they can bring you moments that even the original bands cannot muster (and perhpas NEVER could). OK, one more example -- The Atomic Punks are a tribute to David Lee Roth era Van Halen. Obviously Van Halen doesn't tour with DLR any more. So when you see the Punks, you are getting a serious dose of what the original is now incapable of providing.
Long Live the Tribute Band Generation -- Hope I Die Before I Get Old!
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 18:23:45
It's actually not in Raleigh but along the coast and equally close to Baltimore and DC.
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 18:08:59
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 17:34:42
I feel somewhat of a connection between "This Seat's Been Taken" and "Negative Girl." TSBT has a brighter tone however, than the well, for lack of a better word, negative tone of Negative Girl. It seems to be the same story line of wanting a girl who doesn't return the attention. Thoughts?
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 17:16:19
Could you clarify your last posts a little more?
How about "Earthbound"? I hear it's real popular.
I don't understand the whole cover band thing. Isn't that why we have the CDs?
Am I posting too much?
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 17:13:49
Skeevy Stevie
Skeevy Dan
Stevie Nicks
Stevie Nix
StevieWonderless
Stevie, the Steely Dan Xerox Man
Stevie of Arc
MFM for the SFB, EIEIO
and, so far, my fav: Stevie Dearest
more to come...just trying to help
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 17:01:04
If anyone has read MOD's post on St. Al's site then you will see that he has claimed that he will no longer post at either site. This is his decision. I did not (nor do I feel that I or anyone else who visits either of these sites HAS THE RIGHT TO) incite him OR ANYONE ELSE to leave. I felt that his latent disrespect for everyone needed to be checked and he chose to target me to see if I would get scared and run. Sorry MOD.
I also do not want to committ the crime of over-posting, like I cited MOD with. So please excuse me this time.
Have a great day everyone. You too MOD.
Steveedan
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 16:53:40
I must admit that some of what you have said was entertaining, but I think you took it too far, that's all. Assuming that you are an adult, I am sure that you can make an adjustment and be able to feel welcome here, but that is up to you.
Finally, comments about this one or that one needing professional help, especially if said in person to someone could result in the commentator receiving a fist in the mouth, resulting in the need for a visit to the dentist. Totally uncalled for, and hardly worth dignifying. Oh, and the bathtub comment -- fire, no, hang the joke writer. That court jester might get the Joan of Arc treatment.
That's all the time I have to devote to MOD. To everyone else I apologise if I started an unsafe feeling here. Forget about it. It's over.
Back to perfecting my Glamour Profession chart. (Thanks Hoops.)
Steveedan
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 16:48:43
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 16:34:59
Thanks for your patience while the BlueBook was down so I could archive off the June 2001 posts to a separate page. When you scroll down to the beginning of July, you will be presented with a link to the June posts.
Hopefully this will help ease the loading situation somewhat. The other issue of slowness has to do with Javascripts which I am working on for us Mac users.
Thanks again, play nice and drink some Tang.
hoops
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 16:33:01
Are you subscribed to the Dandom Digest?
You know what I do first, each time i get it?
Scroll down to see what line/album title/song title is written!!!!!
And then it's in my mind all day if I can relate to it that day!
Am I the only one doing that, I wonder
BA
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 14:03:49
You are a jerk. Through and through. There is no doubt that many others here feel the same way about your childish repartee and simply do not bother with you. The words of praise that you have gotten here are from those merely pointing to you the comic relief that you provide, not for intellectual content. It never ceases to amaze me that people think that they know everything about a person by what he or she posts. Like, for example, the no creativity line. Why don't you do something out of character, like going to St. Al's site and go back about 4 months and read some of what I have posted there. You might see the error of your ways, but then again, with a thickheaded stubborn imbecile like yourself, that might not happen.
One thing that I will never do is justify to you whether I have talent, creativity, alacrity, or etc. I really don't care what you think. You are a loose cannon and if you were in my backyard I would melt you down to BBs. You are so last week.
My motivation for calling you out in the first place was to try to show others here in this "moderated" forum that it is OK not to let a self-important hopped-up jerk control the post-board. Eventually, your posts will get ignored when your (lack of) literate jags become predictable to everyone else here.
Don't tangle with me Maude; you have no idea who you are fucking with.
Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 13:39:31
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 11:27:12
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 11:22:39
MOD's not seen the Damned, but they seem perfect for you - no creativity - note perfect copies. Apparently though at least they have some talent.
Why don't you chill and become a productive member of the board like MOD and MIKE. Else back to the pissers with ya!
OK blue board folk: Contest time! Let us help our friend come up with a new name. MOD's entry is La La Lame-O. Get your entries in before midnight, kiddies.
*** My sincere apologies to the good members of this board for going off topic, but we must discourage negative twits from poisoning Hoo's good thang here.
Dial,
M
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 01:44:52
Now as far as I am concerned, I am Steveedan, a slight alteration from Steviedan's handle, and used after receiving permission from Steviedan to do so. No one else's opinion on my handle at this point is relevant. Say it to the hand 'cause the man ain't listening.
As far as your swaggering, alcohol, drug, and Toilet Duck enhanced come-ons are concerned, sorry pal, my son calls me Daddy and my wife calls me, well, forget it. If I feed your starved ego with a few "Love your posts, you are so witty", or "I just can't imagine how desolate this guest book would be without your continued offerings", or how about "... and I heard you were really really good in bed ..."
Would you shut the f@ck up and go away? I though not. But it was worth a try ...
Tonight one of the Steely Fan Band's guitar players went to San Diego with his sister and mother, who is a huge Steely Dan fanatic, to see the Steely Damned play at the Del Mar Racetrack. I was bathing my son when my guitarist called me from Del Mar during the show.
I have the Le Bar Bat video of The Steely Damned so I pretty much know how great they are. Hearing them live tonight, even through a distorted cell phone, was amazing. Kicking back in the tub and listening at the same time was even better. The songs that I heard them play were: Do It Again, Bad Sneakers, Jack Of Speed, Two Against Nature, Gaucho, FM, Don't Take Me Alive, Haitian Divorce, and My Old School. Very impressive. Our guitar player hung out with the band after the show and we are now forging nice relationships with TSD.
So to the larger community of Steely Dan tribute bands, I, on behalf of the Los Angeles chapter (The Doctor Wu Band), the Newport Beach chapter (The Steely Fan Band), and the San Diego chapter (The Steely Damned), cordually invite other Steely Dan tribute bands to make contact with any of us. We all have websites: www.(name of band).com. Give us a call.
Oh, and again to MOD, you are just the greatest ...
Steveedan
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 01:34:25
Bob
Date: Thurs, July 26, 2001, 00:16:12
Also, the point about the current "Steely Dan" basically being a tribute band has some merit to it. It's kind of like Mozart conducting the Berlin Phil instead of the Wien Phil.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 23:29:58
Aren't all live incarnations of Steely Dan in the 90's and beyond essentially cover bands of those who played and were lucky or good enough to be on the records in the 70's & 80's? Aren't Harrington and Lawson "covering" Dias and Purdie? Steely Dan just happen to be a great cover band with the original lead singer and guitar/bass player still hanging around. Ain't it great and aren't we lucky?
Somebody else will be covering Harrington, Lawson, Baker et al on the next tour most likely. Pretzel Logic...
GE
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 22:24:49
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 22:07:03
There are tributes that don't reproduce the exact recordings. I'm thinking Tony Bennett's tribute album to Billie Holiday and Dee Dee Bridgewater's Dear Ella... (Fitzgerald) tributes which were definitely new takes on some classics as two examples.
I tend to prefer those that are new takes, like someone pointed out last week when Fagen wrote that he likes Roccisano's Orchestra because they don't play note for note, jazz treatments. But arguing the merits of a note for note band is cool too.
I do wonder what motivates such note for note bands to cover when they may have the chops to focus on their own material. Maybe it's a living why they develope a career based on their own material. Any cover band people here? What is your motivation?
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 19:42:08
You in your lark
She may come from a rich and powerful family, but the singer has the upper hand because he's got the dirt on her.
Daddy is a rare millionaire
So he blackmails her into having sex with him.
Yes dear
. . .
What I hear
Whadda ya think?
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 19:27:33
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 19:10:44
Maybe W1P can tell me if I'm wrong. I believe the whole idea of "a tribute band" is to play the songs just like the record. In other words, note for note.
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 17:26:03
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 17:11:07
speed up six years and through hoops digest i read about steely dan hall of fame week. i figured i'd give it one last shot and check out the steely damned. i wasn't expecting much after my prior experience. i was totally blown away! the singer wasn't trying to sound (or look) like donald and they had every lick down pat. i think they played four or five hours and did a lot of the rare songs which was a real treat. I had such a good time, a month later i drove out to long island to catch stealin dan. they were good, but to tell you the truth it was disappointing after seeing the steely damned. they had a good horn section and i liked the singer. i spoke to the drummer during intermission and he told me he was at the steely damned show and couldn't believe how their drummer and the rest of the band hit every note perfectly.
final grade:
---------------
the steely damned: A+
stealin dan : C+
the royal scam: F
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 14:09:20
Date: Wed, July 25, 2001, 09:56:31
REVOLVER. it's simply the best magazine i've ever seen on
the subject music. in its 4th issue you'll find a micro inset
regarding Mr. Fagen's favorite science fiction book. telling
that, says i.
god, where do you folk find the time to post so often and
soooooooo long? sheeeeesh.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 23:56:20
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 23:24:45
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 22:45:25
"cheaters": http:
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Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 21:45:11
hoops- don't think i ever thanked you for the dan article you sent me. thanks a bunch! i've been posting quotes from it on my webpage, tons of fun.
mod- you make me laugh =)
btw...i think this place is great. no experiment indeed, time to change the name.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 20:24:57
Bob
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 15:57:54
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 15:13:04
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 15:00:42
majordudette: was it you who likes SNL so much? another common ground between us. i always wondered why steely dan never made it on as musical guests? now THAT would be awesome.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 14:55:26
MOD - No bird posts, remember?
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 13:55:11
(email says you are chick, correct?)
Why does MOD have more questions than statements? You freeks fascinate MOD - thats why!!!!
M
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 13:43:55
M
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 13:38:35
M
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 13:34:29
Wait: Fashion faux pas - pants and heels. maybe they should just wear a Cuban Breeze. Or an Idahoian breeze, cause MOD ain't in Cuba. YET. Is JLO from CUBA?
Does Hoopsie know who MOD is? possible - not likely. But Hey, Hoopser knows MOD gots the goods. Maybe he remembers me from the GORGE. MOD said, "Hello. My, you are one big ol slab of corned beef, ain't ya?" Remember hoopdi-doo?
Don't know any of you other nice folk, unless you were at the GORGE. I think that all the females just blur into one prototype for me - hippie chick lesbos, right? Unless MOD thinking about Fogal.
I mean really what kind of woman would really be into our mysogynist bros, anywhat? Really!
When are we gonna get a "Behind the Music" about the boys? Drugs, sex, comic books, nose picking, navel gazing - they've got it all.
When is Don Zimmer going to write a book? Is that a mug or is that a mug?
And Hoo(can MOD call you "HOO"?" - We are pals, according to the pundits!) Don't you think that taking the slings and arrows from MOD, the supreme god of Dan, is a right of passage at this point.
WHOA, big news: MOD has figured out the exact color of this book. Use the beautiful blue Toilet Duck®, go out for a night of Heinekens . . .
Big kiss,
MOD-L of MODern Man
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 11:45:48
But I heartily agree--It's all good! (Well most of it.)
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 10:44:43
Anyway, it's all good, I guess.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 09:32:24
Sorry for the inconvenience, honestly...
I learned that there's no confidante like your own self, inevitably. Sad but true.
Now Hoops, righteous one in Dandom, can't you respect an honest request from the offended party here to take the damn thing down? Or does that obscene display of someone's sketchy thoughts without his/her consent your kind of fun after all? Knowing it has a permanent copy on this other forum already, takes up a whole lot of space and is badly written overall, in the state it is now, surely this is not worth keeping, it must be DISCARDED. Most of all, the culprit was clearly identified in the process, making it all the more a personal matter here. It doesn't shed a flattering light on its author. It's similar to a Catalyst outtake but then again you guys are all up for that, right? G'head I don't mind, really.
How much of a Dan reference are you looking for in posts anyway? Just Curious.
Is signing PEACE AND DAN good enough?
Maybe a bird named Skunk would fly as a legit topic, MC! Give it a try!
And really, "experimental" it is obviously NOT. Now now... I think you're underestimating your audience here. We're not all uneducated, medicated or drunken fans out there, be advised. You went to too many danfests, Hoops. You think you've encompassed the whole fandom with a priviledged view now and know how to handle it all. The only thing this naming strategy does is point to the community's own demise, as the guy said. That's not a very nice prospect now is it?
I don't believe for a minute you're considering that at all. Come on now...
Submit this!
toodles
PEACE LOVE AND DAN ONE AND ALL! Yeah...
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 09:05:43
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 08:05:22
regarding the "did WB really play the guitar solo on Black Friday" debate:
It sounds to me like his style. Very bluesy, though more agressive than usual. Anyway, enough of my opinions, let's go to google.com to dig up some real info. Sure enough, we are not disappointed:
(from http://www.steelydan.com/wbgear.html)
WB says: "I used to play Denny Dias' Tele with the PAF pickups because it was set up so well. I did the solo on "Black Friday" [Katy Lied] with that guitar through an Ampeg v4 amp."
Does that settle it?
I'm sure I read somewhere (Metal Leg? Brian Sweey's book?) that the guitar had rusty strings on it when they recorded the solo, and they didn't want to change them because it sounded so good.
Howard
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 02:50:58
second, downbeat magazine, critics' poll.
either check it out or go to st. al's for dan-related results.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 02:00:26
Hey Boobsi, after your post, MOD went and examined all Steely Dan lyrics - Sweet Mary - there is MORE THAN ONE song about sex.
So, MOD is going to be running a "Burn your Steely Dan CD's" rally in Central Park August 13, in the year of our lord 2001 AD. Of course, we WILL be burning YOUR CDs.
Next thing you know Donald will be saying that they are bigger than Jesus! Or JK!!! ("It was my idea to get rarities out of D&W - Nah, nah nah nah nah!!!")Twat.
MED's doctoral thesis at the Barbazon School of Self-Lovers was titled "GEEZ, I think Josie is about a gangbang??!!" He plagerized from Miss Steviedan - whatever!
Certainly sex figures big in the Dan lexicon. Do you think either of those dweebs would be getting laid were they not in the big rock band???? Can you say Bard Circle Jerk Club (varsity)?
HMMMM - Maybe you, Boobster, maybe you should join a band. MOD hears that Miss G string needs a bottom thumper.
Miker - you got it going on dude. I like the cut of your jib.
v.i. 2nd def.
STOP IT MR.FOGAL! Your endless stream of stories is amazing - knocking MOD out!!! Give MOD time to take it all in!!!!
•••
Well anyway the world can take a breath with even a sense of humor. When the known Monty Python lover says, "But I'm not dead, Yet!"
Best to you my friend(not Pete Best). All of our thoughts are with you.
***
OK don't read any further - MOD just made one up.
Question: What happens when you play a George Martin record backwards?
Answer: You hear "I buried George!"
M
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 01:51:08
It brought back a lot of great memories of Hall of Fame week and clearly The Steely Damned with Lou Marini, Bernard Purdie and the rest, not to mention the many Dandomites, made it really incredible to be there. Myself, via the Digest and this guestbook, really encourage you to catch them if they come to your area, although they mainly perform on the West Coast in So Cal.
Be sure to check out the Steely Damned's Website at http://www.thesteelydamned.com
for more info.
Also, be sure to check out the Hall of Fame week photo albums at http://dandom.com/halloffameweek/photoalbumfor shots of the Steely Damned in our Photo Albums.
Also, looking forward to that review Lady Bayside promised us of the video of the Steely Damned Show at LBB. Thanks to Bob T. and the Steely Damned, and of course, Pete Fogel for the great time!
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 00:54:59
I don't get it all, but I do get that it has a lot of great sex in it:
You
>>> She screams in bed
You know
Yes dear
Take it
>>> hand job?
How
>>>He likes her bod and her action
Slow down I'll tell you when
>>> this guy's sore from all the sex
Broadway Duchess
>>> Why Broadway Duchess?
Darling if you only knew
>>> She's a ditz????
What I hear
Spanish kissin'
>>> Oral sex????
Yes dear
I also heard that there was a version of this song from the period of Katy Lied that has different lyrics. Does that one explain the song anymore?
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 00:54:09
The Scene: Got to the Catamaran right on time, around 9:20 P.M. As you enter the room, it has a slightly raised bar area with tables and booths. Further into the room is a large floor area with more tables and a small dance floor in front of the stage. The ceiling is either regular height or slightly low and that does effect the sound and lighting to a small degree.
The band was very laid back and you could tell that they were in their element and quite comfortable. The crowd was mellow and mostly sat at tables, unless they got up to dance. This was totally different then the event at Le Bar Bat back in March and even Love Bob commented on it, at one point. In New York, the audience just stands there and stares at the players in the band as they perform. No formal dancing at all. My husband sat at a table in New York and thus, could not see the band. He was very happy to get to watch them this time around. I, on the other hand, considered it a personal highlight to have stood up front watching them perform, with the likes of Oleander, W1P, Earthbound, Ed Beatty, etc. To each his own.
The Music: Much more focus on hits this time around, but a couple of surprises that they did not perform in New York. Any World (That I’m Welcome To) and Any Major Dude were both added and were fine with me. What totally blew me away though, was that they did 2 songs from Donald Fagen's Nightfly album: Green Flower Street and New Frontier. I have been listening to that particular album recently and they did justice to both songs.
Highlights: Too many to name, but any guitar solo by Hank Easton is worth the price of admission alone. That man just nails them all and then takes them beyond. Outstanding work. This time around I really noticed the drum work on Aja and it was truly a sight to behold. The sax work was great, too. The horns were so good that my girlfriend was upset when they took a well deserved break. Keyboards, percussion, anyone I missed, were all great. No loafers in this group, they all work their tails off. Of course, the vocals top it all off. Love Bob was doing a fine job and his background singers, Mark, Peg and another lady (who’s name escapes me right now) were keeping it real. 4 hours, 1 break and about 30 songs later, we were a tired, but happy crew. Thanks again for another unforgettable evening. Hope to see you again someday.
That I'm welcome to, is better, then the one I come from....
Ok, I do wish to make a quick comment on the Blue vs Yellow thing. I have no problem with their being 2 or 3 or 10 or whatever. The only thing that gets to be a bit much, is when they are all carrying pieces of the conversation, like they were today. I am definitely going to have to stop lurking during the day, if this is going to happen too often. :-)
Great Guestbook names, btw.
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 00:16:27
MOD, Mikey, Booby: Geezzus...yous makin' me laugh so much I'll need a hernia operation. But keep it up. It'll be worth it!
Booby: That's no way to refer to Dick LaPalm...now Dick Cheney...
MEDs, a couple of others maybe: Look, all this blue/yellow is better, bigger, longer is really all too queer. Every place has its personality, an individual angle that attracts certain type of fans. There's Amanda and Matt's white pages, and somebody has pink page and... there's lots of SD guestbooks. ZZZzzzzzzz z z z.
MED: Sometimes straight is OK, rambling pathos not, but I like that quote from Duke Ellington and Horace Silver, that a song ain't good unless it has sense of humor. D + W are shining examples of that tenet which is why we luvs them so. There's a reason that it's the "Discarded Post Vault" (isn't that almost an oxymoron?) I just hope it ain't an endless poisonous well...otherwise I think paralysis by analysis will set in and MOD, Mikey & Booby will be naming this Guestbook "Chain of Sorrows."
Date: Tues, July 24, 2001, 00:02:34
muswell bluebook
andriod guestbook
Doctor Blue-book
Take off your guestbook and sit right down
The panfried guestbook
Be born again guestbook
Can't buy a guestbook
Any major guestbook
The you got to shake it bluebook
Count Down to agony
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 23:28:14
Hoopsie! This place should stick around a lot longer! And if it is going to do that, then that oh-so-tentative, tortuous name, "Experimental Guestbook" has got to go or we'll never get a warm sense of permanence.
For your consideration, the following naming possibilities for this Guestbook:
Babylon Dandom
Babble-on Dandom
Caves of Altimira
Caves of Dandom
Guestbook of Liars (Sure, RLJ has a weird sorta GB by that name...But where the hell's HER song?!)
Post and/or Die
Jazz & Conversation: The Dandom Guestbook
Guestbook to Ecstasy
All Buzz Then Noise Free
What A Shame About Me (or would that be MED's discarded post vault ????)
Pretzel Logic
Lil' Guestbook o' Dandom
Book 'em Dandom! (With Hawaii Five-O theme played on the page's loading--A tenuous tribute to Walter Becker's adopted home.)
Wham! Bam! Thank you Dan!
Laughing Pines
The Dandom Rag
The Hooterie
Be My Guest...
BE...my guest...
DGB
D.
Tyranny of The Disallowed
Just Say "yo"
Roaring of the Guestbook
The Bluebook
The Big Book (Well, that ONE post today made it SEEM like an AA meeting!)
The Big Bluebook of Bunnies
The Big Golden Blue GuestBook of Bunnies
Giles of the Guestbook
Guestbooking Abbie
Any Guestbook That I'm Welcome To
MuswellGuestBook
The Goodbye Book
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 21:09:40
First round..."What band is composed of Walter Becker and Donald Fagan?"
Contestant answered... "Backstreet Boys"?!??!
Goodbye.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 10:27:31
stick a fork in this puppy, will ya?
positive starts with you, eh?
What was the motive behind all of this hasty pasty job, anyway?
Scissors, anyone?
Where's hoopsie scissorhands when you need him?
Oh well...
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 09:10:05
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 08:52:34
Could your message have been distilled to one sentence? YEP! Would it have been more effective? YEP!
Will we see the mirror above your bed coming down soon? NOPE!
Advice: pseudo-eggheads should seek out the Robert Fripp guestbook. They have warm milk and cookies!
Note: With all you negative people posting here, we will never get this great board off the ground! Let's keep this thing all dan - all the time!
PLEASE SEND A PRAYER OUT TODAY FOR GEORGE HARRISON. HE LOVES YOU.
Best wishes,
M
PS. Mike - you are a god! A shining example of what we need here. Keep up the good work.
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 07:54:09
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 06:25:10
anyone interested in award winning Steely Dan reviews?
Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 06:16:46
maybe i am bringing old news here, but i had to test that award winning search engine ..
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 17:03:47
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 16:29:29
Hoops, it looks like there is little enthusiasm for a mini-Danfest on 8/11. Unless the biblical injunction applies ("whenever two or more are gathered in his name") If so then angel, steeeveeeedan and W1P does a Danfest make.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 14:36:48
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 14:16:43
Hat Too Flat - Don King
Do It Again -- The Buddhist Monks of San Bernadino
Confide in Me - Linda Tripp
2nd Arrangement -Bill Clinton
2nd Arrangement - Hillary Clinton
Reelin' In The Years - Donny & Marie (Oh!? they've already done it?)
Bad Sneakers - Imelda Marcos
Everything You Did - O.J. Simpson
Bodhisattva - Martha Stewart
Gold Teeth - Koko Taylor
Show Biz Kids - All Star Tax-Deduc...I mean "Charity" performance
King of the World - James Cameron
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 12:55:18
When I was a kid, the family, my mom's in-laws, the neighbors in Chicago, etc, thought my dad was one loud, sarcastic, abrasive, SOB. Then one day I realized: Dad's just from Brooklyn! The way he acts is his way of making nice. Dad and I got along much better after that.
So with MOD and a few others, similar thing. It's simply their style of talking, their kinds of meds, their brand of Steely Dan. Even those who make insults, as long as they are funny and vaguely Dan-related on some level, I think it's great. As long as it makes me laugh...but if it don't make me laugh...well...
Again, I said the experiment looks at what if the focus was nudged more towards tangentially Steely Dan things...not my ex, not my birds, not my Chinese take-out, not "Hi Helouise, call me"--unless there is some relavency to the Dan for us all. I'm sure there will be some tweaks here too.
To the person who complained about the slowness of this page's loading, I agree, even with a T1--somthin' is wrong. I now have a solution and will have it fixed in early July 2001. Really! OK, ASAP.
Thanks for taking part in the experiment.
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 10:18:28
Please forgive MOD. Sometimes MOD don't take MOD'S meds and MOD posts.
However, MOD'd rather be MOD and here in the blue than be the DARLING OF THE PISS PAGES.
Your post doesn't even make any sense. Would you like to share my meds?
Your Friend,
M
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 10:02:33
HA! The reason why the yellow pages HAVE failed is from the weight of YOUR extremely frequent posts. Now go drink your big black cow and get outta here!
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 09:55:56
HA! The reason why the yellow pages HAVE failed is from the weight of YOUR extremely frequent posts. Now go drink your big black cow and get outta here!
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 08:47:30
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 05:58:07
Look. I'm giving you the attention that you so desperately ask for !!! Yay MOD-ie !!! Look, it's MOD, he's written another post. This is just too F*ckin' awesome. How's your Mom, MOD ?!? Just as awesome, eh !!! You better not be Mark D. of Boston, for the initials are close but the method of communication just doesn't fit. Unless, this is your Mr. Hyde-like persona, I can't believe this stuff is from M of B.
I do get all of your sort-of inside jokes. But I now challenge you to kick it up a few notches. Try to take it more than 2/3 above a PUN, OK? MOD-Dude? Ya-Hey !!!
As far as Hoop's experiment in Tifany Blue, if this site should fail, then it might be from being dragged down by the weight of your extremely frequent posts. That means that you would be to blame, and the rest of us laid-back lurkers and posters would have to find you and flog you silly with turkey feathers. This experience in humiliation knows no rival.
Be twice as cool as you say you are. That would be a credit to your MOD-istness. Sheesh! Whooh !! Urgh !!!
With sincere appreciation -
Steveedan
Date: Sun, July 22, 2001, 02:24:58
God Love ya Hopper, but stick a fork in this puppy. das experimente esta kaput!
MOD
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 20:58:12
Man, we need to put a mirror under you peoples' noses to check for breathing. DOA!
Crossing diamonds with pearls,
MOD
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 20:43:23
Down in the bottom - Mikey & Booby, Live from the Custerdome
Junkie Girl - Gina
Surf and or die - David Hasselhoff
Book of Liar - Brian Sweet
Lucky Henry - not Booby's boyfriend - thats for sure!
This Moody Bastard - JK, the ass munch - Where you been dorko?
She's too Flat - Lisa G
Countermoon - What Mikey does at his MCDonalds job
Tommorrows Girls - Cindy Calhoun's kids
More to Come - MOD
Padded Florida Room - Q
On the Dunes - Teddy Kennedy (Hi Lorna how ya DO'n)
Soul Ram - Gina & G (with MOD on Vidcam)
This Seat's Been Taken - Richard Simmons
Take it out on Me - Pompus JK
Roaring of the Lamb - St. Al, live at the petting zoo
MOD GOD
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 18:36:07
Hoopsie called me with his cover tunes
(isn't he loverly, by the way?):
Pretzel Logic - GW Bush
Midnight Cruiser - Hoopsie
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again - Dickhead Cheney
AJA - Lucy Lui
Razor Boy (soundtrack to Edward Sizzorhand)
Boston Rag - Mark Drinan (if you know what MOD means)
The Jerome Aniton SD intro - the Bush Daughters (yum)
Riki Don't lose the Number of your Singing Coach - Riki Martin
St. Louis Toodle-loo - Any Cardinal free agents
With a Gun - Charlton Heston
Monkee in Your Soul - Stephen Stills (get it?)
Black Friday - the phucks who manage MOD's stocks
Daddy Don't Mayor in that NYC No More - Julliani
The Royal Scam - Archtects of the Gulf War
Everyone's Gone to the Movies - Paula Poundstone (let's keep it current - Mikey loser)
Black Cow - British Minister of Agriculture
Parkers Band - Tim Conway (that joke is for the band)
Dr. Wu - by Hooper's sideologist
Throw back the Little One - Mikey (Hey Mikey, two words:Swedish Pump)
Haitian Devorce - Rosie Vela
The Caves of Altimira - by Altimira's Lovers
Home at Last - New York Mets pitching staff
I Got the News - Cokie Roberts
Glamour Profession - Ru Paul & Tristan Fabriani
Third World Man - Fidel Castro
Everyone's GONE to the Movie - Gene Siskel
I Love the MOD Squad - Cindy Calhoun
MOD rocks. MOD gives you gems - GEMS, to brighten your day. And what thanks does MOD got – zippo, MOD'll tell you - zippo.
LOVE to your MOM,
MOD
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 14:45:21
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 14:41:29
isn't there anyone in DanFandom Land who collected the covers and has a list or something similar?
howdy Stan, nope, don't know that Satie cover and to be honest, i know his gymnopedies by name but lots of music is nameless music .. it's the same thing though, the Septime Chords Euforia, maj7 stuff, right? hey, kind of miss some shoptalk here .. LisaG, Howard from Oxford, maybe others? Hutch?
Michael McDonald will tour Europe in October and at first there were plans to cross the small pond and see him in Oxford, maybe get to meet "Trouble" Howard as well. Now it's gonna be his last concert of the European Tour in Denmark, Copenhagen. In a club called Vega. Lots of comtemporary as well as jazzed influences floating freely in this Scandanavian country and one more on that list of mine, musicians i loved for 20+ years or so .. aarrgghh, somehow it's a real thrill to be seeing them after so many years .. i like the club venue thing better than big crowd concerts .. wouldn't really mind seeing Donald Fagen in a Quartet or Quintet setting, somewhat Anonymoso ..
i don't believe in Santa Claus let alone in santa's lil helper, haha .. you know what? from what i heard of that Jack of Speed cover i liked it better than the original. very lightweighted and frolic and without singing or words .. and yes covers make one appreciate the original perhaps even more but covers also offer this wider perspective to a composition and a new feel .. and me neither willing to buy an album just because of a single Steely Dan cover, but always curious, always curious what it sounds like.
Have a great weekend everyone!
And Gary Beck, Bluz .. really nice to see you here in the Tiffany Cool Blue, i'll tune in again next Friday and will see you in the PLP!
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 13:42:30
My entry: "Soul Ram In The Wind '97" --Steve & Eydie (see http://dandom.com/essayssatire/sleg/soulram.html )
Regarding Joe Roccisano and Hoops McCann Band: First of all, I can never spell Joe's last name right; his and Jeff Porcaro's. Second of all, Rob is pretty right on the connection. I got both CDs out and found that Joe R produced the Hoops McCann CD in 1988 for Hoops McCann Records. Although the band is different on both, obviously Joe's production is going to tie the sound together. Now that I got them out, I'll have to give them a listen today and more closely study the liner notes. Noneother than Mort Fega authored the liner notes to the HMB CD.
On the HMB, the Executive producers are Dick LaPalm and Len Freedman. The tie-in is that the song publishing for 2vN is by Freejunket Music and Zeon Music administered by Len Freedman Music. Hadn't realized that.
On Joe Roccisano Orch.'s "Leave Your Mind Behind," (from 1995, featuring "Goodbye Look" and "...Little Ones"), the players include Lou Marini and JIM PUGH ( ! ) It was recorded at Sony Studios, NYC. Also, I had forgotten that Fagen wrote an endorsement for this CD which is included in the liner notes. Fagen points out that JR was involved in the 1978 Woody Herman album that paid tribute on a side to SD. DF also says how he especially likes the "unexpected directions" that JR takes the material and avoids the "'here's the jazz treatment' syndrome."
Gonna give both CDs a listen again.
As for other covers, a couple or recent ones include RLJ's cover of "Show Biz Kids" and Joe Jackson's "King of The World". Both came out on albums last year and I like Joe's cover as much as the original--it's Joe's piano redition on the part that is played on the synth on the original that made me appreciate both versions.
Tracks from Joe Roccisano, HMB, Joe Jackson and others are in rotation on Radio Free Dandom
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 12:27:55
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 11:24:13
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 10:19:19
Of course, mentioned below is Booby Rossi, of the Connecticut Rossis, darling.
MODest
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 10:07:57
The Best Dan Damn Covers:
Dirty Work - The Trashmen
Kings - G5 Summiters
Only a Fool Would Say That/King of the World/Royal Scam - GW Bush
Reelin' in the Years - Strom Thurmond
Fire in the Hole - Richard Simmons
Show Biz Kids - Gary Lewis & the Playboys
Night by Night - Madonna
Barrytown - Barry Gibb
Charlie Freak/ Western World - Charlie Sheen
Through with Buzz - Neil Armstrong
Monkey in Your Soul - Michael Nesmith
Rose Darling - Joe Kennedy
Throw Back the Little Ones - Martin Short
Everything You Did - Mayor Julianni
Babylon Sisters/Gas lighting Abby - Landers and Vanburen
Hey Nineteen - Jerry Lee Lewis
Gaucho - Nathan Lane
My Rival - Al Gore
What a Shame About Me - Booby Rossi
Two Against Nature - Elton John & Ricky Martin
Cousin Dupree - Jeff Foxworthy
West of Hollywood - Shonen Knife
Hank's Pad - Pete Fogel
I'm Too Sexy for this Guestbook - MOD
Take It Away,
MOD
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 09:30:09
What are the best covers people have heard? I have not had much experience with them.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 01:43:46
I'll have to compare CDs to see how the personnel compare.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 01:27:24
Isn't Joe Roccisano and The Hoops Mcann Band the same thing? I think you got mixed up there. Maybe not.
I DID research the Monkees playing "Mary Mary" and sure enough they did play that song!
Rob
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 01:06:08
This reminds me, any word on the DVD-A of "The Nightfly" ? I recall reading about Roger Nichols possibly working on this.
Date: Sat, July 21, 2001, 01:04:48
I mentioned this last year at St. Al's but 70's guitar hero Pat Travers of "Boom Boom Out Go the Lights" fame did a great rocking cover of Black Friday on a CD released last year called "Don't Feed the Alligators". It's the opening cut of an all cover songs disc and is very true to the original with a nice lead and good chorus harmonies too. The rest of the disc has covers by Hendrix, Little Feat, ZZ Top and others and is a great party record. My twocents anyway.
GE
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 23:29:05
Now I can't vouch for the Monkee's covering the same version of "Mary Mary" and frankly, I don't plan to research it. But regarding tthe Jimmy Reed and Paul Butterfield versions--I intend to keep an eye and ear out for them.
Regarding the Phil Upchurch cover of "Jack of Speed," I can't say that I have heard more than a snippet of it a month ago on NPR's "Morning Edition" (That's the public radio network in the United States, for those of you outside of the USA.) It caught my ear, but frankly, I haven't been motivated to buy it yet; and I have to agree I will look for a store that has it at a listening station or something. I'm a touch hesitant to buy it without hearing the whole track and probably the album, at least outtakes. I think amazon.com and/or CDNOW has some snippets of it.
I think Santa's Little Hecker raises a good discussion topic: not all Dan covers are created equal. Sure these performers/artists/singers might have the best of intentions but they all ain't good just because of who wrote the compositions.
Exhibit A would be that "Garden Party" compilation that came out last year. Now I know it has it's fans, but I have found it just a little too cringingly lite for me with the worst being the cover of "Pearl of The Quarter." When I put a track from a commercial CD on RFD, I have to want to listen to it myself--and no track from "Garden Party" interested me enough. I'm not going to speculate if the people who got "Garden Party" together were just well-intended Dan fans without the means or if it was some jaz record company trying to cash in on the attention surrounding the release of 2vN. I sure can't say. But I didn't care for the "Garden Party" CD. BTW: The album was supposed to be a series of cover CDs with Steely Dan being the first. Yet there have been no followup Garden Party CDs.
Then there is something like the "Hoops McCann Plays the Songs of Steely Dan" from 1988. Sometimes I really dig it and sometimes it annoys me. Something about it is just a little bit more on this side of interesting. Other times, certain parts sound like music from a porn flick.
Then there's Joe Roccisano's covers. Now at first listen they don't sound much different than the Hoops McCann thing. But then on closer listen, they got that Mancini thing going, if you ask me. I like it. I don't know that I can explain it better just yet...perhaps someone who feels like I do will have more to say about it.
Thumbs up or thumbs down, one thing is that all of these covers have enabled me to hear some classic Dan in a new way so that I appreciate the original all that much more, or better still, they gave me new insight into how I might musically interpret the composition itself.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 22:18:09
Panting in anticipation here bur not holding my breath ny any means.
SLH
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 21:33:24
Paper, Rock, SCISSORS!
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 20:01:33
"mary, mary"
the great bluesman jimmy reed
hope this helps
bluz
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 17:56:47
-taken from Philadelphia CityPapernet 1997-
Phil Upchurch eh? Hm. Grazie, Mike. Must hear that bitsy latinlike Jack of Speed tune again! Lots of smooth guitar and percussion in it!
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 16:30:00
mike
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 16:25:49
The Jack of Speed cover is most likely Phil Upchurch's which came out last month. Great stuff.
I have to wonder if that really is Walter Becker playing guitar on Black Friday. MCA has screwed up so much. I have to dig out my original ABC release of Katy Lied to see if the credit is any different. Or maybe there is a third possibility. For example. maybe the guitar is what someone other than Walter Becker played but then maybe Walter engineered it to sound entirely different. There was all that crazy stuff happenning with the Katy Lied taping, remember. I don't that it is likely, but something etirely different is possible.
Have a SWELL weekend
Mike
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 08:25:12
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 07:21:18
SD can't tour. I'll be the first to diss'em if they don't rush out the new one rather soon. need some fresh new songs after all.
ole: how a'e you? I enjoy reading! can you help? what's <start bold>TecMo<stop bold>? Gimme a clue ...
oh yeah, hoops, love your saturday post. it's just too long. well, and i want a blink tag for the guestbook.
the FEZ. pure fun 4 me. totally agree with h and o ...
re Wayne Shorter, the guy played last tuesday at the montreux jazz festival (www.montreuxjazz.com), damn I'll miss the whole thing this year - it still runs til sunday. next time baby.
bye now.
Date: Fri, July 20, 2001, 02:55:20
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2001, 20:35:34
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2001, 13:36:12
Date: Thurs, July 19, 2001, 13:14:16
Looking forward to the answers if anyone knows them.
mike
Date: Wed, July 18, 2001, 23:05:15
Wayne, we're thinking of you today.
Peace and Love
Date: Wed, July 18, 2001, 18:55:14
hEY thanks for showing up the other night as we;ll in Santa Monica!
Later.
Date: Wed, July 18, 2001, 13:53:29
Date: Wed, July 18, 2001, 09:13:34
http://www.jazzfacts.nl/media/radiotv.html
here you can find programming.
and here's where it happens via internet: www.radiowereld.nl scroll down for LIVE RADIO and click Radio 4.
happy Danfest preparations btw, always half the fun, right?
Toodles, Gina
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 20:42:43
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 12:42:18
Communiques and discussion have been greatly facilitated by a series of mail lists--The ListBots--and for the past year, that has been a primo way of getting those interested talking in a focussed forum. There you can get a direct connection to everyone else who is thinking about participating in a particular Danfest.
However, as some of you know, in August, Microsoft is converting ListBot to a "pay-per-list" service ($149 per list annually) with only one person permitted to send to it. Because of this, the lists are being moved over to dandom.com
The Raleigh list is the first to move. LA, MPP/Balt-DC will be next, sometime this week. If you were on the previous ListBot, you are now automatically on the raleigh list at dandom.com
So if you are headed to the Raleigh Danfest, or at least thinking about it, be sure to sign up for the Raleigh Danfest list. You do have to be a member of the list to get the email and to send messages. New comers should subscribe by sending an email from the email account you wish to be signed up to majordomo@dandom.com with the only contents of your message being:
Then check your email for instructions on how to confirm your registration. You will find the list a more effective way of directly reaching other Raleigh Dan Fans than posting to general forums.
Email me if you have further questions or comments or problems signing up.
h
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 12:05:58
back to work tomorrow....*ugh*.....catch up again Friday.
MC
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 11:41:21
I've always seen the title cut from "The Royal Scam" as being sorta like an epic movie, not unlike a parrallel in mood to Cecil B Demille's "ten Commandments" when Moses leads his people from Egypt. In this case, the Puerto Ricans get led to a phony promised land. So I think the whole song reads like a grand, panoramic epic and the end does plod out, it's sorta the closing scene, panning out from New York City, back out into the ocean. Bette Midler? No way...yeah, the backing vocals are rather annoying but that seems to be intentional, sorta to augment the chaos and cynicism of the broken dreams of coming to America. It's like the anthesis of Neil Diamond's later hit, "America." What if Ron and Nancy had D + W come and perform Royal Scam at the 1986 re-unveiling of the Statue of Liberty instead of Neil and "America"??? Now there would be irony for you on so many levels.
I listened to "Home At Last" off the 1993 reissue of Aja at roughly just after 3:00 minutes in. Is the part in question that funky syth solo that I think Fagen is playing? Seems like a precursor to that handheld keyboard/guitar thing DF ran around with on early 90s performances. I liked it. This is assuming I am addressing the right topic. Maybe this is something only on the newer edition.
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 10:38:31
Two Against Nature: GW Bush. CT Whitman!!!!!
BYO "big ones" Yahooo!!!!
MOD carries his with him all the time!!! Tell the midriff girls.
MOD
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 10:13:30
I'm there!
Will bring instruments. Someone else can play them.
Just don't change it to the following weekend when Jonatha Brooke is in Chattanooga and Knoxville.
And make sure KD is going to greet us with open arms and the desire to serenade.
L-U-V,
cara mia
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 00:36:33
Where: Corolla, near the north end of the beautiful and unique North Carolina Outer Banks.
Why (raison de Festre): kd is there. Any questions?
When: Not completely sure yet. How about the weekend of August 18?
BYO: gin & roses, red beans & rice, gospel & cotton candy, decaf, escargots, takeout from Dean & DeLuca, pretzel logic, Szechuan dumplings, Jim Beam & Jack Daniels, zombies, milk & honey, kirschwasser, retsina, salads, grapefruit, cherry, poison or Christmas wine, Cuervo Gold, sausage & lots of beer, java, Scotch whiskey, corn flakes, herb tea, burgers, mandarin plums, big ones, junky pancakes, French fries & maple syrup, apples, pepper, plantains, pure confections, pina coladas, Coke and rum, and black cows.
For more info and to weigh in, write the listbot, raleigh@dandom.com
Date: Tues, July 17, 2001, 00:35:41
Cringemaker--I lust after your deconstructions! I could arrange a nice jury duty fantasy.
Ed--you came home? after being there?? Call me at home.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 23:44:05
Nice place you have here. Just got back from lurking on the yellow pages. The main topic of conversation seems to be Midnite Cruiser talking about his boring life story and Clas going on and on about his dogs testicles. Some things will never change I guess. Thanks for putting up "an all" Steely Dan guestbook!
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 22:29:13
Amen!
Becker said in an interview (on AOL?) several years back, "an enlightened record exec? I don't think so" or something like that. But would be great if an exec truly had the same attitude about the next album from SD.
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 20:54:40
thanks for making me think of that again, that really was a great trip, i had started to forget it - i still have my journal on my desk here that i said i would post, ah well, maybe later.....
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 20:11:45
Oh, if only there were a few more hours to the day... So many obscure, multi-faceted, intrigueging songs and so very little time. I'll just have to go home and toast the leftover Easter peeps skewered on the legs of my pink plastic lawn flamingos to console myself.
I feel like sailing...
Cringe
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 20:05:44
"Jk, I like your song. Let's face it, that compilation sucked, but your's was one of the best on there."
That compilation sucked? No...(3 dots), YOU suck!
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 18:07:34
Just back from a whirlwind tour of the Hawaiian Isles-mostly Kauai
Ole I will call you this week about the LETTER.
other than that-How is the experiment going?
Ed (kkcr) Beatty
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 17:50:43
I'll just continue to lurk about until I think of something profound to contribute. Of course, I'll continue to be enlightened and entertained by you all ...
Rose
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 14:14:27
my homies and i have been debating what is being played on "home at last" starting 3:10, ending 3:30. anyone have a guess? anyone know for sure?
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 14:09:58
I'm goin' on Friday to Merriweather Post...
Still groovin' on the memories of the MPP 7/14/00 show...
and the C2E III celebration last May...lookin'
forward to C2E IV on 9/1/01...
Date: Mon, July 16, 2001, 09:55:49
and, I liked your song too.
Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music tomorrow night, can't wait!
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 17:51:56
http://www.jazzfestival.dk/frame.asp?url=start_eng.asp?lang=eng
Copenhagen Jazz Festival and if Dianne should sing "How long has this been going on?" ... since the 6th of July ... ouch ...
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 17:36:15
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 17:29:20
now Erikah Badu and others .. North Sea ..
the same link to radiowereld but then instead of Radio West it's Radio 3FM (RA) .. too bad i didn't think of this on Friday ..
sorry!
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 17:17:39 Debate Topic: It seems all too true that Europeans respect Jazz more than Americans.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 15:54:38
http://www.radiowereld.nl/index/
enjoy!
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 09:09:46
It's been mentioned somewhere earlier, the award thing for Steely Dan ain't over yet. Still the Les Paul Award to go an possibly a TEC Award, for their Tour Production?? So if they get to be nominated for such an award, technical/creativity and all .. should they win it's like they're almost compelled to deliver a souvenir honoring that event, right?
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 05:46:48
I want another album, but over here in the quaint old UK, we don't get to hear what the boys might be blowing next.
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 04:20:49
Date: Sun, July 15, 2001, 02:49:50
dr. mu-- i took a look at my cd "a decade of steely dan" and under the musician credits for "black friday" it lists the following names:
Black Friday:
-------------
drums: jeff porcaro
bass: walter becker
guitars: walter becker
keyboards: david paich, michael omartian
backup vocals: donald fagen, michael mcdonald
so it's walter on all guitars. now what do you think?
Bob
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 23:42:16
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 22:07:11
"guess you guys have been having your say about rs. i haven't bothered to read them because i am snob #1. don't realy care what you think."
and this:
"royal scam is a failure. the damn song justs plods along and plods along just waiting to be put out of of its misery."
And yet again, this:
"i think you owe thanks to the hardcore fans d&w!!!! how about a rarities release!"
Ohhh poor little jk. he looked so pathetic showing some humility there, didn't he?
You people are hopeless...
MOG
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 21:44:48
The Fez: The definitive send-up of disco. It’s disco played way much better than disco deserves to be played. I think fans of disco almost get it that they are being mocked but it’s too subtle or maybe too over their heads to quite grasp. So I think it annoys disco fans for reasons they can’t describe. Maybe it could be called, “Gaslighting Disco,” with the ultimate prank being where D + W basically stop “The Fez” for a second, just to throw everyone off their dance steps. Hysterical!
The Royal Scam: Indeed, I think it is an album that separates those who like the cool sounds of the Dan from those who also grasp SD’s subtle, biting wit. It’s the most overtly acerbic Steely Dan album--yet the “attitude” still doen’t come out and hit one over the head. I’ve noticed those who don’t normally get SD’s wit, do feel a slight prodding annoyance when listening to it. Again, The Dan are prodding someone and the more clueless Dan fans--I was one of them at the time in the 70s—don’t quite get who is being prodded. So it ends up being somehow uncomfortable to the fans of the “smooth Dan sound.”
The “Snob” thread: I have encountered the “Dan Fans are music snobs” thing too. Gina mentioned a dictionary definition of “snob” that had the phrase, “Person who pays too much respect to social position or wealth…” I think the catch here is “too much.” I respect the Dan’s work a great deal but I don’t think it’s “too much respect.” Their music deserves it! What? We all have to play small that the Dan’s music isn’t fantastic because someone else will feel inferior because they don’t get “it”?
Really tho, I think a snob is someone who completely writes off a musician or an artist entirely when in fact they might have some redeeming qualities. Of course, Britney Spears isn’t an artist or a musician… (I thought it was a riot that on the 2001 Grammy sampler CD, Joni Mitchell was followed by B.S.)
Walter on “Black Friday:” Is Walter the same guitarist he was 25 years ago? Nope. His style and sound has evolved. Chances are it is Walter…but you never know.
I also saw that story from Fox News that 2vN cost $6M to make. Supposing it were true, figure that 2vN has sold 1 million or more, for at least $10 per copy. That would be at least $10 million grossed right there, net of $4M, minimum. I’m not personally involved in the inner workings of AOL-T-W, but I hardly think 2vN put Giant out of business. I think AOL-Time-Warner (half owners of Giant) wanted to fatten some execs’ bottom line by combining marketing and secretarial staff, just as they did with cuts at Time magazine, CNN, and Qwest Records. “The economies of merging” crap. Perhaps Azoff also wanted to cash in his 50% investment like when David Geffen sold Geffen Records to MCA in 1990-91. Speaking of which, what’s the deal with Warner’s? Can’t they slap a 5-cent gold sticker on 2vN CDs to remind people it was the album of the year, maybe a little pop-up card in the rack to flag the album of the year? What a missed sales opportunity for a company that supposedly needs to make cuts.
Hyperlinks: Hyperlinks are great and I think a sorely missed feature in the.cgi that is commonly used for guestbooks. The problem is that when people use HTML tags, they often forget to close the tag or link, causing the tag to wreak havoc on the rest of the page. So the .cgi deletes all HTML; In fact, as is, the .cgi prohibits line breaks as well, and I had to tweak that in. For now, let me know if there is an html code you would like added to your post and I will take care of it.
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 16:40:41
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 14:40:18
leo-- I just listened to black friday on katy lied and from the dvd. you maybe onto to something there. i'll take another listen.
God, steely dan spent that much on 2AN? no wonder giant records went out of business.
Bob
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 08:16:35
Have a nice weekend!
Gina
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 07:44:31
Date: Sat, July 14, 2001, 01:03:48
LOVE "The Fez." Sexy, tango-oid, hilarious.
LOVE the live "Reelin'." All new arrangements of the tunes I have heard live (or on boot) are scrumptious.
jk's tune on TecMo is really good. Stop with the modesty already.
kd's nba shit rules, and has a Steely tie-in which everyone should know without having to make a single call from their car.
Pete RULES. I mean RULES. Great story. Please tell more. And hire somebody to do an oral history of yourself!
And Kinky makes me feel so SPECIAL.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 21:34:15
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 16:49:42
"A Rainey Day in New York" by Chris Jisi
"Call it the bass equivalent of reuniting the heart of the '27 Yankees batting order. Among those turning out on a mild spring evening to see Chuck Rainey perform at Manhattan's Le Bar Bat were Jerry Jemmott and Gordon Edwards, Chuck's fellow first-call bass buddies from Gotham's late-60s/early-70s golden session era. Also on hand to hear Rainey's sextet (which included guitar legend Elliott Randall) romp through tunes from his latest disc, Sing & Dance: bassists Tom Barney, Bakithi Kumalo, and Thomas Ware-Gooding, brother of actor Cuba Gooding Jr."
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 16:11:52
I was just listening to Black Friday from Katy Lied and I'm sorry, there is NO WAY that's Becker playing guitar on the album. Listen to his live playing. Listen to 2 Against Nature. Listen to Black Friday from Plush Jazz video. NOT the same player. I'll bet there's some homeless bum walking the streets who doesn't even know that some solo he recorded 25 years ago actually made a Steely Dan record. Somehow Walter Becker got credit for the solo, and because of it, this guy quit his job and moved to the gutter. I doubt they lose much sleep over it though. I always wondered if all those grumbling musicians were right when they said they never got the credit they deserved for working with Steely Dan. This sounds like proof to me. What do you guys think? MOD, MOG, Jk, Q, Kinky, Blaise, Pete, etc?
Another question: What's with these guys? What other band would get into the hall of fame and win album of the year all in the same month, then decide to captalize on the publicity by NOT touring? Huh?! They tour when they haven't released an album in 15 years, then have all this success and go into hiding. What's up with that?
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 15:15:51
2. your other spew. sorry i have an opinion.
3. at least i don't hide behind a fake name. i've been posting as jk
(and folks know who i am) long before you found out that your weewee could make you feel good.
4. we must push on to get the pre-steely stuff. is most of it bad? hey the lulu had to shovel a lot of dirt for the annunaki before they hit gold.
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 14:10:04
This qualifies for a swift correction, in my opinion.
This "musician" here could "live without The Fez..." huh? On the other hand, this same guy pushes for more pre-Steely demos, the discarded ones from the first batch, no less. Oh yeah... that's goodie. Jeezus... now that is a prime example of sound judgement if I ever witnessed it. This tell us how much sense one can show in appreciating a classic illustration of ageless, in the pocket, out of this freaking world piece of guitar playing signed Larry Carlton and still survive out there known as a guitar player. Now, your song on the GB compilation, THAT I can live without. And I did, believe you me.
And the Boys don't owe you or any other self-important fan out there anything. Hoops maybe, yeah... but that's another story.
Cue up that record again pal, LISTEN to it good this time and LEARN from this masterpiece, born out of the minds of the top songwriters alive today BEFORE you start yapping away publicly, you pretentious, boring little $#$^#&^#... I actually think you could benefit from said "brain cell implants" in every way imaginable. It might just contribute to improve your own level of musicianship and your skill as a pop composer. Great idea! MOG wholeheartedly agrees. Yeah, Royal Scam (the song) is so lame, they played in on tour all of last summer to open the second set and REAL, respected musicians such as Rick Wright, for example, simply worship the song and the album. Where's YOUR Royal Scam, buddie? I sure haven't heard it.
Snob? You wish you could live up to the title, baby. Dream on.
MOG is pissed off alright.
And Hoops, why can't people drop links here? What is this, an intranet collapsed upon itself and self-referential? Doesn't make any sense. This is the internet and you won't own it ever!
MOG
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 13:57:05
MOD's got to tell you that there are a lot of grouchy people on this blue thing. What is the diff? Lot's of off topic tooooooo.
Royal Scam? I'll tell you the Royal Scam. 9 tunes. Some Dan cds only have 7!!!
2VN is the most expensive album of all time. 6 freeekin mil. What the hell??!!! They recorded it at Donald's studio? Did Donald jack up the prices on Donald? They used a lot of nobody musicians. Union Scale going up?
$666,666.66667 per song!!!! $666,666.66667 for What a Shame about ME!!!! God, you could pay a lot of nurses, cops, and teachers with that kind of moola.
$133,333.33333 for the snare drum part in WOH, Mr. JK. Enjoy.
It cost the Beatles $167 for their first 3 LPs combined.
Where the hell are the Dannys on this thing? Other message boards routinely have posts by the artist that are being tributed. Speak up here Mr. Walter - Mr. Donald!!!! "Oh no, and break our veil of cool?" "Have you people realize that we are boring psycho dorks - no thanks!"
How about that Pete character. He tells one mildly interesting story and then dries up like a freeeekin prune. He is too busy washing Donald's back with the midriff girls in Don's jackkosie.
"More Dom, Don?" "Oh yeah, sorry.- Mr. Fagen!"
And his gal pal "the loverly" - never hear from her. MOD met her at the Gorge. Whatever. Man, if anyone ever consistantly called MOD "the lovery," MOD'd break their head wide and bloody. SHEESH!
Anyway: Went to Cindy Calhoun's website and there are no nude shots. What a joke!? Give me 45 minutes, Cin!!! Money shot, darlin'!
When it comes down to it Mr. Hooper: this "experiment" is just another way for you to get your much needed "pearl jam kudos." $95 is a lot for a shrink session.
Royal Scam, good Eh? MOD'll have to pick it up.
All you Beautful Kidz are Loverly to me,
MOD
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 13:37:29
Q!
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 13:06:24
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 10:44:07
humourous, rocking hard, guitar lesson 101, is there gas in the caaahar? dead drum sound as was the fashion in the day. green earrings – from day one when donald crawled out of the sandbox to be reborn - has been a great song live for the band to stretch out on. i can live without the fez on my player.
royal scam is a failure. the damn song justs plods along and plods along just waiting to be put out of of its misery. it was their step pyramid on the way to the great aja. is bette midler in the house?!
overall its a smashing cd. great cover. bring me some bandages and there will be sex. these guys are good. i'm gonna get everything by them. then i'm gonna get it on 8track, then cd, then the box set, then cd again, then dvd-a, then dts, then the brain cell inplants of the albums…
i think you owe thanks to the hardcore fans d&w!!!! how about a rarities release!
walter thanking us and donald not . . . walter is our enki - prepare the ark!!!!!
like i care – i get paid to post here,
jk
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 04:55:47
Snob: Person who pays too much respect to social position or wealth, or who despises persons who are of lower social position.
Snooty: Snobbish.
Snub: Treat especially a younger or less senior person with cold behaviour or contempt.
Do realize the british are long term experts in the field and therefore might have the sole and most clarifying answer to what a snob really is? Just another sterotype, (ofcourse) so let no british Danfan be offended, please!
i don't think there are real snobs around here, are there, haha??
Hm. This word might be more apt to describe a Danfan: Sesquipedalian.
Only for the SOUND of it!!!
I particulary liked Reelin' in the Years on AIA, having discovered that live CD only last year. I didn't recognize it at first because of the chord change and was pleasantly surprised. I understand Q down in Tampa is real keen on sound and quality of sound systems and that's no doubt a very esteemed way to listen to any music/recording for that matter .. Even though i have to settle with maybe inferior gear to listen to music, i still LOVE the surprise offered when i first heard Reelin', Q!
I guess there also be a difference in the sound/engineering/technical stuff/quality of recording besides the contents in the musical notes/chords field as i witnessed shoptalk on St.Al's GB, Clas, Howard, LisaG and others.
So many angles!
Was fun to read the spoilers in the Digest, by the way. Thanks Robin for handing me some answers, Cleveland, hm .......
A Dutch icon in/of Rock N Roll jumped off the Amsterdam Hilton two days ago. Herman Brood. Saturday Night had also been released in the States. He was 54 and had stopped using dope, booze etc. which he'd been using for 40 years. Besides a pianist, singer, performer he was a successful painter/artist as well and as they say around here his life WAS the ultimate of Sex and Drugs and Rock n Roll. He started playing the piano in a Blues Band, Cuby & the Blizzards and recorded a jazzy tinged album last year. Not the kind of man to end up in a hospital, which was where he was headed because alcohol and drugs destroyed his body. The best part i saw on TV when they showed documentaries and all wednesday, was when he visited his mother, she telling stories about his childhood and how he used to climb in a tree as a boy and sing corny dutch children's rhymes and anthems. He had to cry when his mother told those stories in front of the camera and then he smiled saying: "after this is broadcast there will be many girls that want to date me"
Thomas Dolby sitting across Donald Fagen and Walter Becker ...
Tell me about your childhood ....
Date: Fri, July 13, 2001, 03:34:50
I don't mean to implicate you to illegal bootlegging practices, but, I am looking for some live Steely Dan concerts, specifically ones that I have attended, so if this is something that you possess, and are a musician, we could avoid all of the copywrite infringement nastiness by trading your live music recordings for my custom chords sheet music. Let me know.
Hoops - again, glad to be able to frequent these parts. Thanks.
Steveedan
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 22:02:47
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 21:03:50
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 07:51:20
So, for years your mantra has been "Q is a bootlegger, selling Dan bootlegs globally to millions of adoring fans seeking bootleg Dan material" - now it's "Q buying boots on ebay"(rarely at best!).
"Flame is the game"
How's the Ferrari, you big sex machine - still running?
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 07:40:27
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 07:36:30
Kinky, my old friend, you are right - nothing has changed apparently...do you understand sarcasm??? Yeah, I know Craig is about 7 feet tall!
And did you hear "YOUR" version of DTMA on a soundboard boot one of your sound production buddies stole directly off the board and gave/sold to you? You know what I'm talking about.
And I just did tell DF/WB/RN that Reelin sucked - esp on AIA. Really, tell me you deliberately sit down to hear that version, gimme a break.
I do agree that it was Krantz who ruined the song though - as with so many others on that tour. Another mistake by DF/WB- they are imperfect gods - like the greek's, ya know.
Kinky, you've lost your edge.
Q
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 06:44:10
Individuality at its best, for they match perfectly. Being who they are themselves in the first place. Like no concession or compromise to suit or benefit the ultimate result. This kind of chemistry is rare. It's gone before you know it if you ever encounter in real life. And it's for us to enjoy on Royal Scam.
This not something that can be directed or engineered, i guess. A flow in time and space and whatever makes the world and human being tick. Maybe it's even a gift. A gift of time. Jean-Luc Ponty?
Off now. Must say i enjoy reading others and especially some (to me unknown) female Danfans, like Debbie and Linda. LisaG ofcourse, tremendous knowledge about music and i always swoon when she talks shop like she does :-) You got this xray voice i gues!!
I hardly analyze things like Doc Mu and KD and others do. I just get this feel when i listen and sometimes put under a microscope. Or use the telescope. Hm. See what options the music of Steely Dan has to offer?
Cool Blue Swirl for Aja and old SIS times sake?
Gina
Date: Thurs, July 12, 2001, 01:02:04
irving azoff--"the poison dwarf" was his nick name back in the turbulent 70's
i heard a while back that don henley had in his contract that anybody working with him on tour (outside of his band) was not allowed to make eye contact with him while talking to him. if you happened to make eye contact you got terminated! can you believe that!? he seems like that type of guy.
Q--re: fruin: i guess you don't know what you're talking about. you write with such conviction you really had me going there for awhile. oh well, live and learn.
"hands off" Bob
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 23:52:51
From allaboutjazz
By Chris Hovan
"As far as jazz goes from the hard bop era, two names are synonymous with their groundbreaking work of the period- Blue Note Records and recording engineer Rudy Van Gelder. Blue Note released a canon of recordings that have been revered by collectors and musicians alike over the years and Van Gelder was the man behind the sound that has drawn an equal share of raves throughout the past fifty years. So you would think that when Blue Note was resurrected back in 1985 that they would have gone to the source to have their classic albums remastered by Van Gelder himself. This was not the case...
The Rudy Van Gelder Edition series kicked off a few months ago here in the States (Rudy had done the remastering job on all these new reissues originally for Japan in 1998) with 12 titles that were well chosen as some of the best Blue Note has to offer from a catalog that is quite large and diverse. Organist Larry Young's Unity is up first and it surely wins an award for one of the best Blue Note albums ever made, along with being simply the most perfect organ record to ever appear! If you don't own this one, then what are you waiting for? Grab it now! For those of you in the know, I suggest this purchase as well. Why? Because the sound is really clearly superior than any version I had heard of this material ever before, including the mastering done on Mosaic's Young boxed set. There's a richness and depth of soundstage that I simply have not experienced before and none of the harshness sometimes associated with compact discs is present. Musically, mere words are inadequate in describing the energy generated by Young, Woody Shaw, Joe Henderson, and Elvin Jones. You simply must hear it for yourself!"
He's not kidding!! I just received a re-master of one of Joe Henderson's early recordings, and the results are absolutely stunning! I'll trade in my engineering degree if this is not the best sounding stuff outside Roger Nichols ;-) Un-f*cking-believable! The space, the clarity, the crispness. Super lively... Look for Rudy at a virtual or wetside CD merchant near you!
On the subject of benefical re-masters. There's no doubt the dense arrangements of Royal Scam (compared with Katy Lied) have been freed for our listening pleasure with the re- re-. The CD now swallow me whole when I have a listen. I think the KEY that attracts the Diehards is ATTITUDE! The Fagen sneer has never snarled better; Carlton has never spewed such focused energy. The ruthm section has never pumped so hard. It's jazz and funk with a serious rock attitude. It's like Queen or Aerosmith or the Sex Pstols with well... musicianship! Do you need a Chesterfield King yet?
If this had been Steely Dan's debut, the press and hooplas might have been intense (RS and others dissed it as it was as unaccessible)............or ignored anyway and The Company Formerly Known as ABC-Dunhill would have yanked their contract...
I'll play Devil's advocate though. Here's the limitation. Royal Scam sounds like each musician recorded these hot tracks in a studio by themselves over and over 'til they were pissed and Donald and Walter got the sound and attitude they really wanted...which is I think exactly what happened. There's a detachment and an ever so slight out-of syncness that limits musician interplay, but does increase the tension - which may have been the purpose. An edginess and uneasiness indicating that all was not right with this... the bicentennial contribution of Steely Dan. In any world, if they had hit the road after this album, even for just a dozen shows with Purdie, Rainey, Grolnick, Carlton, Feldman, Brecker Bros., etc.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 22:14:15
Anyway...
The Royal Scam is the crown jewel, sure, I agree and a lot of other folks obviously do. In my opinion, it has a lot to do with the classic guitar work that ended up on record in those days (Haitian Divorce, The Fez, Kid C, etc...heck, I really dig the work on Only A Fool, freaking brilliant) and the fact that, overall, they were more keen on utilizing guitars for the soloing segments back then. Not that I don't like a good sax solo (DrWu, Caves for example are priceless...). It often has its place but I feel it was overutilized on 2VN and the end result is much smoother overall. It's not always a good thing. I realize this is merely my point of view, a reflection of my own leanings and that some in Dandom can't get enough of that smooth-jazz angle and they spin Chris Potter around the clock at home or whatever. I might be a younger guy too, prefering something a tad more edgy. I absolutely love that short guitar solo on WOH but get a little bored with the extended sax solo. But I guess it's just me.
All of this, of course, is rehashed thread, deja vu (uptown baby) all over again. I've expressed this countless times on that other online SD discussion venue but, you know, if I have the chance to express a wish I hold dearly one more time, I'm gonna take it:
MORE GUITARS ON THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE!
Thank you.
What's wrong with that? Herrington CAN play.
Oh well...
carry on, albeit in that very slow manner that shows your age...
Oh and why doesn't Libby Titus sing some on a Dan album. That might be a neat addition. It's that whole Yoko syndrome they're trying to avoid, maybe?
Q, Kinky, Pete Fogel, anyone else apparently privy?
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 21:47:28
--When I purchased a remastered Royal Scam, the record store owner remarked that Aja was the album Steely Dan was best known for but Royal Scam was the true favorite of the die-hard Steely Dan fan. The edgiest Dan album. I think he's right. It's also the most misunderstood by non-die-hards.
--I can't follow the snob thread but when 2VN came out my coworkers accused me of being a snob since I said this blows away anything that is out there today. They didn't understand why Steely is cuts above shit like Phil Collins and acted like I was a music snob. Anyone else encounter this? It was like, Gaslighting Abbie what is this crap? Not homogenous enough for them I guess. Or am I being a snob? Are we SD fans all quality music snobs?
--Bringing up Craign Fruin reminds me of another former Dan manager, Irving Azzoff. He's now Christine Aguileraaaswhatever's manager. HA! Sounds like he has given up being a record company prez. I liked it when Don Henley said at the Eagles induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that Azzoff "may be Satan but he's OUR satan" which was really funny. But typically Henley is too smug in proportion to his limited talents. He looked like a fool attempting to play guitar and percussion on the Eagles Hell Freezes Over video. I like Joe Walsh though. Walsh always seems to have a sense of humor about himself although it may be a bit adolescent. I heard that Fry and Henley recently sued to get Don Felder pushed out of the Eagles. Those assholes. Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening indeed.
--Wayne Krantz smiled a lot during the 1996 show I saw him at so he must have enjoyed playing with SD. He played well but fit in as much sense as Joe Satriani or Jeff Beck would have--NOT. Krantz is a guitar wizard but not the one Steely Dan needed. The show was like some talented guitarist just came in from the audience and started playing with the band.
This could be habit forming.
Sean
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 21:16:03
Q - They've "butched so many other live renderings?" I'll let you tell DF, WB and Roger Nichols that they are wrong. After all, it was their decision to keep a bunch of "butched" songs in the setlist. Not to mention the fact that Reelin in the Years made the Alive in America cut, and Don't Take Me Alive was so bad they kept it in for the 2000 tour. I think that '96 bootleg tape you had to buy on Ebay to hear Don't Take Me Alive must have been pretty shitty... then again, maybe it was just Wayne Krantz.
By the way, Craig Fruin is far from being little. Shit, he's like 7 feet tall! And he's so "hands on" he's not even their manager anymore.
Ahh... seems like old times
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 20:24:07
Royal Scam has always seemed to me, as an album, the plateau and benchmark from which the boys can only seek to improve upon. In listening to (yes recently, in fact immediately)the offerings of this landmark and, say, 2vN I can only recount the following.
1. Edgier. The younger Dan holds, after 25 (!) years from recording RS, the razor thin kick in pants push which will suck concert fans out of seats dancing on the first bar of Don't take me Alive.
2. Energy. No question, absolving creativity, the RS album had Donald in his best voice to age nuance, the best rock coverage, the underlying pulse of disco defying beat. Listen to the title track. Geez, you couldn't replicate the combo of funk and angst given any studio promo idiocy available at that time or any other.
3. The Fez. The anthem of Fraternities everywhere. If grinding your hips while taking a pull from a cold one to the strains of Fez ain't you, then, well, you just ain't my kinda guy.
4. The Caves of Altamara has always struck me as a kind of joyful response to Kid C and a lead in (of an energy sort) to Don't Take me Alive. A horn and sax bridge which just kick ass. Hearing it live, my wife had to pour water on me and the guy sitting next to me. A signature Dan song.
5. Handles. No other album has produced the quantity of memorable internet names used (or misused) by guestbook folk.
6. In fairness, the maturing Dan acquired a more jazz and blues riff in time for 2vN, not that this was at all unwelcomed. But that edge...howling guitars and all. Reserved, to date, for Royal Scam.
Rebuttals welcome, if listening to the tracks in real time is included as a prerequisite.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 19:31:09
I completely enjoyed your take on The Royal Scam. This has always been my favorite offering by the boys. I'm sure that few could deny the near perfection (and grace) of Aja. However, in their effort to reach perfection, something was lost. I hesitate to state that Aja was "too polished," but it seems clear that the raw and almost unfinished edge and energy we experience with TRS is missing on the next three CDs.
There is almost a "stream of consciousness" feel to TRS. I also appreciate the freedom of expression heard in the creative guitar riffs...to say nothing about the lyrics which are among the darkest and probing of anything they have produced.
It's sort of strange, because you can hear some of TRS in certain selections on other albums. Often you might hear someone say that "that song could have easily been on The Royal Scam." Or..."this cut sounds like "The Royal Scam," etc.
I rarely ever play TRC out of order or pick a particular track to play. It seems to be one of those CDs that you always play from the beginning to the end. This is not to say that it is strictly a "theme album." It isn't...However, there seems to be a common atmosphere and attitude that threads its way through each cut.
For me, TRC is sort of a this temporary side track from an otherwise clear direction. And yet, it seems to fully encompass the Steely Dan image...that of the brooding cynics, the angry youth, the dark side of our existence...with no apologies.
Thanks for your submission.
-Paige
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 17:05:46
The Royal Scam album, my first SD album has it all, in my humble opinion. When i listen to the albums before and the albums they recorded later on, i still feel Royal Scam captured the essence of Steely Dan. Like Pirates is RLJ's stilled essence in its purest moments. Royal Scam has a certain agreable arrogance and toys with different styles without sounding mushy or anything. It adapts to styles and pulls it into a universe of its own. The song Royal Scam could easily be arranged for an orchestra and pass as a classic composition.
Anyway, there's a feel to the tracks on Royal Scam i didn't really sense on anything that followed. Royal Scam feels like this gap in time. The music that followed was more down to earth and part of whatever phase in life we, I went through. I figured it might be related to it being the first Steely Dan encounter at that particular age. But when i listen to all albums it still hits me in the same way. Royal Scam has no track that appeals less. And it has this perfect change in mood, from turn on the Eagles the neighbours are listening to the chords of Royal Scam that interluded it would be over in a few minutes, the last song and if i wanted to hear it again or stop the needle from scratching i had to get up from my lazy chair or ZEN-like pose .. always made me a little sad. Truly like the end of a movie you enjoyed!
Michael McDonald will tour Europe in October. Great Brittain, Sweden and Denmark are the lucky countries. It's like arithmatic, the musical threads that connect musicians and vocalists. Via one we find another and it was more magic if they all ended up on the same album. Yes, like Pete Fogel's story.
Musicians are people like we are people. They make a living, some good some barely doing what they need to do or do best. Music is about vibes and a feel of life and things that elevates from the ordinary. Music is as much a luxury as a neccesity. To think growing avocado's once was an alternative .. this never ceased to amaze me by the way :-))
A long dip this eight one is. Hi Angel, here as well .. Gaucho is living up to some of the lyrics now, he is so cute one of the neighbours decided she can't stand him and threw a fit the other day. He was an ill mannered wild wild dog in her opinion. Yeah right!
If you wanna check out new pics and lost the URL, just email me and i'll send it!
Okay. No North Sea Jazz for me but i wanted to see Jane Monheit. I will now see her in a German ambiance coming wednesday. Bill Evans and Soul Insiders perhaps as well. Lots of fine music in Europe now.
Sometimes i think America should broaden its mental horizon but there's no complaints when it comes to the music your soil brings forth!!
Greetings from Holland,
Gina
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 16:52:29
No more posting from work for me!
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thud
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 15:34:03
Sorry if this post exudes "snobery", Hutch, get over it - that was a bullshit swipe- I thought we were avoiding that here. We can all lob bombs if that's where we want this to go, Hutch.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 15:09:43
who asked you.
Oh, have we met? - no
case closed.
PS "snob"- person who thinks their opinion means more than others? So Jon Herington is a snob? I don't think my opinions are more valid- in fact, not being a musician makes my opinions likely less valid in some respects!, I'm just passionate about them - sue me if I play too long.
Robert, try: Reelin' In The Years(arrangement), Don't Take Me Alive'96(execution, not arrangement) would be the real offenders.
Craig Fruin is this little guy who is their manager...and he's a hands on guy.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 01:15:41
Razor Boy: Good to see you. I just recently got a copy of Kama, too. Favorite tracks for me. Snowbound (love the guitar solo) and On the Dunes. Though Tomorrow's Girls, Springtime and Trans-Island Skyway also do it for me. Good album.
Date: Wed, July 11, 2001, 00:20:28
Countermoon is a smoker too. Really like that sax solo at the intro.
Great dance beat.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 23:57:28
Hope all is well with everyone, I'm gonna try not to be such a stranger.
Peace, Love and Dan
Razor
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 18:04:24
(it's pretty hard to guess mine, hehe)
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 17:48:53
hey, aren't you that surfer dude from the other guestbook? oh, no, that's jw malibu. i always get you two guys mixed up.
Bob
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 16:06:28
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 15:38:32
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 15:34:41
I didn't sense KD's remark was malicious, rather tinged in humor perhaps better understood by those who waded through the Sign In Stranger/ Banyan Trees Guestbook Pale Yellow cascades. Even sense some genuine Steely Dan kind of humor, so beats me why people were offended or needed to bring the weasel in, if any weasel should pop up on this Cool Blue it better be RLJ's Weasel from her debut album. A song for and about her friend Sal Bernardi who went to see Steely Dan last year in Paris by the way and said some nice words about them for all to read in a letter he wrote to Rickie from his Parisian home.
In last week's Digest there was this "nice" review on Steely Dan to read, written by a real contemporary mind. Even if he would really trash Steely Dan or their work, if someone writes using words like not swept off your any corner, it is the honest opinion of an intelligent mind and therefore even worthy some respect for having written with such eloquence and the feel of current generations.
Did i just try to make a point come across the small and big pond in between our continents and countries??
As i write this, this week's edition of the Digest dropped in my mail. This must be the cool part of summer indeed. Night by night!
Off to the PLP,
Gina
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 15:03:57
by the Chris Potter Quartet on this site :
http://www.vpro.nl/programma/jazzopvier/index.shtml?2785571+3294712+3283069+3676687
Just click on "Beluister deze aflevering" and enjoy.
Greetings
Dirk
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 13:16:40
Please join Steely Fan Band for 2 hours of great music TONIGHT!
We will be performing a show at 14 Below in Santa Monica, Ca. at 9pm! Opening the show will be an ALL FEMALE tribute to the Beatles! 14 Below is located on 14th street and Santa Monica Blvd. in Santa Monica!
We know it's a school night, but please come out and be a part of tribute Tuesday and have a good time with us!
Thanks,
Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band-A Tribute To Steely Dan
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 10:57:46
From Webster's New World College Dictionary...
snob - (noun) a person who feels and acts smugly superior about his particular tastes and interests.
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 01:55:11
It's late notice, but I am once again shamlessly plugging the next Steely Fan Band gig. We are playing in Santa Monica California at "14 Below", located on 14th Street and Santa Monica Blvd tomorrow night, Tuesday night, July 10. We will be going on at around 9:30 PM, and I know it's a school night kids, but when has that stopped you ?
Please slide on down and see us, our set is over 2 hours long, which would allow us to play at least 25 of your favorite Steely Dan tunes, and a few off of the new CD as well.
Did I mention that the Steely Fan Band (SFB) boasts 10 musicians? And you know the rest, the fully stocked bar (or is that the fool-ly stocked bar?), the nice weather in Santa Monica, and very cool evenings near the beach, blondes, really interesting tatoos, body piercings, etc.
I've heard that Jerome Aniton will announce the band for us, after all, he got left behind at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium back in 1974, and he is reportedly still walking the streets of the People's Republic of Santa Monica. We will try our best to "set Santa Monicada on Fy-ah !!"
Hoops - it looks like the blue site is a winner. Great job !!
Good night everyone.
Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)
Date: Tues, July 10, 2001, 00:18:16
mod- i will write to kenny vance even though i think he's a crook. donald and walter are being ripped of by this guy. thanks for the info!
jk- nice reply to kelly. i personally never thought for one (steely dan) minute that you were bad mouthing pete. i enjoy reading your posts.
Bob
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 22:04:52
Just had to get that out. I popped in 2vN because it seems to be the hot topic around here and those are the thoughts I get while listening to it. I'll have to say it's not my favorite album, but of course that says incredible things about SD. I find it very mellow, and well, Donald is getting old...but I won't dwell on that.
On Negative Girl- ehh, I suppose I could do without it. I'm not taking sides but I feel very impartial to the song. My faves are Jack of Speed and Almost Gothic. I just love those tunes- very haunting, like Glamour Profession that we were discussing earlier. The song that caught my attention when I listened to the cd for the first time was WofH but I grew kindof bored of it.
Since when do we argue about state abbreviations?
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 19:13:28
Oh, no, a virtual double post...
QB
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 17:24:56
I'll let you tell Jon H. and DF and WB and Roger Nichols and Craig Fruin and Irving,etc. that they are wrong.
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 10:20:22
What is Koolie Baba?
All of CT should be paved over for parking for NYC, anywho.
MOD will accept booby's apology and QB's tribute. Finally some respect here! Although MOD is sad that JK took MOD's idea as his own. He didn't give you the contacts for Kenny Vance but MOD will!!
EVERYONE (NOT YOU BOOBY - YOU MIGHT HEAR SOMETHING WIERD) WRITE AN EMAIL NOW TO MR.VANCE AND TELL HIM YOU NEED TO HEAR THE PRE-STEELY TUNES.
Personal Manager: Ken Weiss
call Kenny Vance and The Planotones
PO Box 116
Ft. Tilden, NY 11695
(718) 634-3953
(818) 348-6669
Email: kvance@planotones.com
Think about this: in the 2vn liner notes Walter thanks the loyal dandom. It would have been very easy for Donald to say, "Hey, why don't we just say Steely Dan thanks the dandom." But he did not. MOD guesses that Donald don't care about us. He likes our money, MOD is sure!!!!
MOD
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 08:54:35
jk
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 02:47:54
QB- why are you making excuses that negative girl can't be preformed live? the reason i'm asking is because i was told for over 20 years that steely dan would never tour because they wouldn't be able to, or actually, it would be impossible for them to re-create those songs live. well, after four tours we all now know that the so called "experts" were all wrong. if they can play deacon blues, aja, bad sneakers and glamor profession that great live, why can't they play negative girl? i don't buy what you or jon herinton are saying about the arena/shed thing.
also, you may not have liked cousin dupree in studio form, but please don't tell me that song didn't rock live.
Bob
Date: Mon, July 09, 2001, 01:28:20
Theme 1: Dias
Bridge: Becker That 3:42 riff was si fast, it still may be DD
Theme 1 redux: Dias
I'm amazed the richness of the tone. The solo segments resembles Bodi more than YGTII, but each has a different tone than this solo. The Bodhisattba solo uses of course a fuzz-bop tone, and YGT II has a crystalline bop tone, but the notes here in Aja are far richer. In each of the themes there's a pause before things pick up again and in that pause there's 1-2; 1-2-3 that rings with a fullness that resembles Larry Carlton. Damn good stuff.
Each theme begins with a chord from Carlton that rings like 3 tuning forks. It's really amazing to hear in the re- re- masters. Up th their purchase I had the Mobile Fidelity issues. The re re's kicked their butt.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 23:02:47
I wouldn't mind checking out new ELO. I saw them on VH1 a few weeks ago during a slow afternoon at the parlor, brought back a lot of memories. Back when I was eight or nine, ELO was the only music my Dad could play in the car outside of the Beatles that I wouldn't complain about. Because they sounded so much like the Feared Four, I ate that shit up. Nice to see that Jeff Lynne and Brian May are steadfastedly sticking with the white man perm.
Peg, I dig it all save for Bela Fleck and his 4'8" drummer. Where in Cincy? I lived in Mason for a few years.
Which Elvis? We have a poster of Elvis' "Girl Crazy" hanging at the pizza parlor. A twentysomething blonde saw it the other day and cooed, "can I have that?" I served up an old slice and asked if she was an Elvis fan, or just a fan of bad movies.
Back to the subject at Dan...
Nice seeing everyone here, Gina, MC, Hank, the Doctah, ole, NG, who else? I'm out of the rain.
Mr. Chow - righto on "Glamour Profession," for me at least. My favorite song on "Gaucho," Satan Disco at its finest. The idea of knowing someone's middle name, brilliant, and I don't know where to start.
Pete - I got the feeling that you've been itching to tell that story for a spell now. Itch as much as you want, I'm not going to get all creepy on you like jk did, but keep it comin'...
Mean Old Daddy - Elton John, worthless? The Who after "Magic Bus," nothing? King Crimson, Gods? Credibility? Gone!
DrMu - Grab that Aja tape whenever you can. I couldn't wait to afford a DVD, I had a buddy in Australia tape it for me when it was on TV over there, and then bought the VHS version online last summer. I play it for parents, friends, gf's, strangers, esteemed (and otherwise) colleagues, everyone. I've given it as a gift to a billionaire and a college student, and it's historical impact cannot be underestimated. Ian Dury's contention that "there's people that's read books and there's people that ain't read books" is worth the price of admission alone.
Let's figure this out...
Larry Carlton, to me, is playing the flowing/moving Steely Dan Chords that open the song. It seems to me that Walt and Denny don't play a lick until 3:07 (Denny), with Larry doing the double-tracked notes that start around 2:20 (going off mp3 here, my CDs are in Chicago, so the times might be a second or two off).
3:07-3:28, Denny (who re-played these runs during the Aja special...)
3:29-4:10, Walter ("through some freshly released piece of out-board equiptment)
4:13-4:38, Denny.
Not as broken up as you'd think. Larry underneath it all with chords, foolin' and doin' dirty work (charts).
On the 2vN front, I have a hard time trashing any song on that album. "Cousin Dupree" is my least favorite, but if I had to live in a fallout shelter for the rest of my life with a cassette single of "Cuz" and nothing else, I think I could make it.
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 22:53:11
Neg Girl is brilliant, and whether or not you like the mix on DF's vocals, the song remains a gem. Bye the way, for what it's worth Jon Herington twice told me first hand it was his favorite tune but that it was impossible to reproduce satisfactorily in the types of venues they were playing(sheds/hockey rinks). Only concert hall/performing arts center acoustics would render such a song properly - basically it's a studio cut.
Now Cuz Dupree is a song I could live without...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
MOD- can't help it, I'm a sucker for "Next" and "Eminence Front"(esp. live remastered version!).
I can't bring myself to battle over Elton and whether he "sucks"...
Listening to Countdown To Ecstacy remastered ver25.5 today and loving the reworking of that disc.
QB
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 21:51:01
After another listen 4:13 - 4:39 just before Shorter's sax is almost certainly Walter. Before that could take a scorecard. Here's my guess:
3:08 - 3:17 WB
3:19 - 3:26 DD
3:32 - 3:38 WB
3:42 - 3:49 DD
3:50 - 4:01 WB ??? DD sneaking in a lick or 2?
4:01 - 4:10 WB
The key is WB's bluesy feel vs. the Dias bop runs
This could all be a hallucination. At any rate - fabulous work by whomever it was...
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 18:29:25
fyi- the governor of ct. passed a law that Connecticut can be abbreviated Ct. where have you been?
BTW- you would never catch me dead at a KC and the Sunshine band concert!
Bob
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 16:27:53
Elton John is worthless. What did the Who have after "Magic Bus?" Nothing.
Early 80's King Crimson: Gods.
In concert: Gods.
Imagine Booby going to a KC concert? His brain wiring would melt and there would be steam coming out his ears!!!!!!!!
Great to have you, the magnificent one, the beautiful one, Mr.Q.
Write more often.
MOD
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 14:49:58
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 13:13:00
Date: Sun, July 08, 2001, 08:55:49
Bob - I know this is just my opinion, but to help you with Negative Girl a little more, particularly the repeated "More of the same" line, listen to the repeated line and then keep your concentration on the harmony as the vibes solo begins. This is gorgeous harmonisation and a great break-out into another key for the solo. Lovely jazz work that keeps me playing this track over the airwaves.
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 23:35:08
http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml.
Fairly confident the Crim will blast their way thru NYC eventually...but nothing posted yet. Oh...if you go, can you post some colour? Would be greatly appreciated.
Can you short those triple Q's BTW? I sure as hell would be.
Aus
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 22:09:43
I have always wondered how far DF and WB have explored, atleast in concept, the idea of using what would be considered unconventional but signature guitarists of the likes of a Steve Howe, Adrian Belew, Jeff Beck ?
Any thoughts?
Relative to my comment on listening to 2VN on a "reference" quality system, I simply went to my local high end audio store and told them I wanted to "audition" a system and that the disc I had brought with me would give me the best, well , reference. They were staggered by the disc too- amazing they hadn't discovered it yet...
Other than the other aspects I referred to earlier, the sound took on a warmth that that greatly improved listenability as this album can come off on many systems with a hard to very hard, typical, "digital" edge that debilitates the ear if played at volume.
Just found out King Crimson are coming to town at the end of the month - anyone heard the recent tour?
The last time 2 times I saw the Bruford/Levin(!)/Belew/Fripp combo it was practically a sonic religous experience.
Q
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 14:30:09
The show must go on
MOD= Masturbation On Drugs ?
jk- as usual, an accurate appraisal on 2VN
Pete- keep the stories flowing!
Anyone else had the chance to hear the 2VN disc on a "super high end" audio system( ie the way DF/WB/RN created/heard it ?
It is stunning how much is going on that is not rendered by less than "reference" systems. Much more than on any other, although Aja obviously benefits greatly from a high shine. Deliberately tuned bass harmonic overtones, keyboard goodies, etc. It's well worth the ride if you can catch it even once- especially with some fine hawaiin agricultural product. It does make the "clapper" more annoying though...
Q with satisfied NOB
PS The Who and Elton John suck? (no pun intended)
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 12:02:54
jk
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 11:55:15
gothic, negative girl, janie - brilliant.
gaslighting abbe - weak kamakiriad outtake.
what a shame - heard it. got it. now what? can't get the image out of my head that bette midler is the woman in the story.
2vn - cool but lose the fake claps and raise the vocal.
jack of speed. cool. but let's have the balls to let walt sing one or 2, huh?!
dupreee - let's put all the popular dan tunes in the computer and have dudette - if you got a comment - share it with the troops!
jk
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 11:41:02
gothic, negative girl, janie - brilliant.
gaslighting abbe - weak kamakiriad outtake.
what a shame - heard it. got it. now what? can't get the image out of my head that bette midler is the woman in the story.
2vn - cool but lose the fake claps and raise the vocal.
jack of speed. cool. but let's have the balls to let walt sing one or 2, huh?!
dupreee - let's put all the popular dan tunes in the computer and have it write us a hit. boy are we subversive kissing our own cousins. whatever.
west of hollywood. "i lurched across the room to strangle the drummer and the mixing engineer and i almost got there" of course it is cute that walter let his 3 year old bang a pot very loudly through the whole song.
in general. ok boys you have proven that you can play and your band is good but lets get the heavy session kats in next time to provide the memerable solos and riffs again. let drummers drum. kulle baba.
favorite dan tune
koolie baba!!!!
jk
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 11:30:39
pete- awesome stories dude! i stayed at the mayflower back in 1992 or 1993. i remember that bar. maybe you were the barman when i was there. the thing i remember most about my stay was all of these teenage girls (hundreds of them) running around the lobby waiting to see "new kids on the block". it was a riot!
Dr Mu and Lisa G-great commentary on the songs of 2AN.
I'll tell you, i had a real hard time with negative girl. it just was so much different from any song on any steely dan album. at first i just didn't like the groove and hated the way donald would keep repeating the line "more of the same" it just was very boring to me. as time has gone by it's been growing on me. it's still my least favorite song on the album.
jack of speed to me sounds like classic dan. if you told me it was an out take from the royal scam i would believe it. donald sings with more of that classic snear on this one then he does on the others.
almost gothic is the deacon blues of 2AN. something about this song that just makes me feel good.
gaslighting is a cool opener. i thought the song should have ended a little bit before it did. chop a minute or so off of the ending and it's perfect...just my opinion.
cuz dupree- funny song with the classic dan story line. fun groove and the song moves along nicely.
janie runaway-"the wonder waif of gramercy park" got to love this song just for that line alone!
what a shame- both of you people hit the nail on the head with this one! Great stuff
2AN- like negative girl, this is a song like no other they have done before. what could i say? it rocks, bops and hops! a lot of lyrics in this one. could donald remember all of them to do this one live? i hope so.
Bob
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 11:27:41
it amuses me when people go nuts about your sample post (some of that i never heard either) because they don't realize that that is just one cool story out of millions that you could tell from your charmed life. you could, very seriously, write a book.
that stuff is everyday shit for you.
typical day for pete - mike piazza, catcher for the mets, wakes him up at noon - seems that mike wants to play drums at pete's club, fagen's management calls and asks if it is ok that they use pete's photo for the back of the rock and soul cd, pete goes to lunch/breakfast with the y guy who started the write in campaign to get a sd boxset and they work on getting pat metheny to play with donald at the lonestar, outside the restaurant a photo shoot is being set up for stanley clarke and al dimeola. of course pete knows them both. "hi al - hi stanley"
pete goes to the hamptons for paul simons party and knows everyone in pauls band.
back home pete goes to his bartending job and jack bruce is so blasted that he gives pete his bass as a present.
back home at 5am. there is a message on his machine with the news that Q is getting plastic surgery so that he can look just like jim hodder.
another day n the life of the king - good night.
jk
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 02:41:02
WASAM-agreed. The bridge is easily one of my favorite moments on the CD right after the entirety of Almost Gothic. "Is that a horn loop in the outtro?..." Tight as all get-out, but I don't think so. I think these guys are just that good. The horn arrangement in general is another stroke of genius. Overall a fantastic display of everything Dan I like: groove, story, melody, arrangement, performance.
TvN: This one I gotta hear live. The groove, while interesting, does very little for me on the recording. It has the potential to loosen up a lot, and I'm sure it does with the energy of live performance. Not all that authentic in comparison to the likes of Dirty Dozen, the Meters or the Neville Bros. Too clean to swing, IMHO. It really didn't impress me at first. (Please don't stone me!) But upon repeated listenings, I get it. I get the menacing (I like that word) interludes that weave in and out of the rhythmic soiree like bad spirits wafting through a frenzied ritual. And they're definny Miles and Trane-like as they defy time. Space is your friend. Lots of fun, also, is the piano ditty. Harmonically, very full.
Negative Girl-what can I say? Pure inspiration. I think this tune goes where no other has gone before in the genre. Odd harmony evoking a meandering tragic soul. Yet, so attractive and hypnotic. A steely tone poem at it's finest. And the references to "coke" and the "original classic thing" cannot be accidental. Check out the two grooving guitars, speaking of LA sound, in this outro.
Part of the beauty of this recording is after so many listenings, you can always hear something new. The orchestration is quite rich and eclectic. Another tradition from the Razor Boy acoustic bass concept. Bass clarinet, anyone?
Date: Sat, July 07, 2001, 00:11:06
As a hybrid, nothing they do is realy pure jazz, the live on the disonance and tansion
Gaslighting Abbie: A real 50s pseudo jazz melody that sounds vaguely like an old (pre-Manilow) TV jingle. Heavy R&B, metronomic groove by Lawson, but that's how he sounds on Plush as well. Jazzy horn finale swings like crazy...
WASAM: Classic Dan sound. Love to hear those wind-chimes again. Walter's guitar in the intro is perfect. Blues tune with jazz inflections. Classic and gorgeous American jazz-pop bridge. Is that a horn loop in the outtro?...
TvN: Nice gumbo of N'awlins funk-jazz into the mix. Like some cuts from The Neville Bros Yellow Moon album with some classic Miles Davis-like Horns. Nice interplay between bass and drums...
Janie Runaway: Funk/R&B and a little jazz. Chris Potter's 2 solos sound like a jazz Booker T. Really kicks along until a sudden and satisfying ending. Clearly should have been the "hit" single...
Almost Gothic: Tasty Chocolate Mocha blend of Bacharach, Miles, and R&B. Classic pop-jazz trumpet solo...
Jack of Speed: Aside from a stunning bridge, this seems like a very tasteful, but by the numbers jazz-rock redux of everything Dan did on the first 7. I know I'm in the minority.
Cousin Dupree: quirky jazz accents over a standard blues-rock tune...
Negative Girl: Loose jaxx-rock with a supreme vibe solo with stunning interplay between the musicians. Recorded in 2 days and has a spontaneous edge...
West of Hollywood: Sounds like a pepped up Nightfly (initial ideas from the song from that time) era tune with a Stax drum groove. Walter breaks loose for a tasty solo. Potter ultraendurance jass dissertation over the top of some complex, twisting jazz chords.
In short, Mr. Chow, Negative Girl does seem the most jazz-like followed by West of Hollywood, Almost Gothic, TvN, Gaslighting Abbie, Jack of Speed, WASAM, Janie Runaway and Cousin Dupree
Date: Fri, July 06, 2001, 17:25:44
Date: Fri, July 06, 2001, 09:02:20
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 21:04:01
Hank & LisaG....I forgot about the TZ marathon yesterday but have watched it in past years.....speaking of Burgess Meredith, one of my favorite episodes was where all he wanted to be able to do was read his books in peace but was always being disturbed.....so he goes in the vault of the bank he works at to read during lunch and the dreaded nukes fall (shades of Nightfly) and everyone is killed except Burgess.....finally free to read in peace and enjoy his books for all time....then the Twilight Zone twist....he breaks his glasses and can't read after all....a classic!
ok, three days off starting now....have a good weekend folks!
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 20:55:31
I caught the Brian Wilson tribute last night too....some great tunes by some great artists....I had always just thought of the Beach Boys as being pop music icons and really hadn't dug into the music that much....I have a new found respect for the song writing, producing, arranging and performing abilities of Brian Wilson now....very good show.....btw, I thought Carly's top was awesome but I've always thought she was an extremely beautiful woman and a helluva singer.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 19:52:14
Mr. Chow- I was really saddened to see all the negative comments about Glamour Profession on the yellow GB as well. It is easily the best song on Gaucho IMHO. Like Lisa, I repeat it at least 3 times when listening to that cd. I agree with you that it is very haunting and captures the essence of L.A. I don't think it's cheesy at all.
jk- I saw the Brian Wilson special last night too- very nice. Also had certain opinions on Carly's top...
~md
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 19:07:06
The next day Joe came in and asked if I was working the next day. When I told him I was off, he asked me to come down to the recording studio and check out the new record he was making. He knew that I was a big fan and he was really trying to do something nice for me for returning his money. The next day I walked into the Power Station and see Marcus Miller, Omar Hakeem, Michael Franks and Tommy Lupuma. I had never been in a recording studio before and Joe introduced me to everybody and asked me to sit next to him on the piano bench. This is the guy that I've loved for so many years and here I am sitting next to him while he's playing the most beautiful stuff. I had such a great time, Joe asked me to come back the next day. The album he was recording was Spellbound, which ended up being his most successful solo album to date.
Joe always stayed at the Mayflower when he was in town. I was doing Metal Leg at the time and would bring in issues for him to read. He loved the magazine and was always telling me stories about working with Donald and Walter. He even agreed to do an interview with me for Metal Leg.
I'll never forget the time that Joe was at the bar and I got a phone call for him. I handed him the phone and saw his jaw drop and a look of complete horror came across his face. When he handed the phone back to me, I asked him if everything was alright. He said that Larry Carlton had been shot. The person on the phone was not sure if Larry would survive at the time, and Joe ran up to his room to make some calls and find out what was going on. Joe and I had just been talking about Larry that day, and he was telling me how he had discovered Larry playing with some band at Disneyland.
As the years went by, I saw Joe quite a bit. We became friends and kept in touch. When I started booking Le Bar Bat, he would come by when he was in town and jam with the bands that were playing. One night Bernard Purdie was playing at the club with some band and Joe stopped by. They were old friends and had a great time jamming together. Needless to say, it was really cool seeing these two legendary musicians playing together.
I hadn't thought about these stories for years until Joe started bringing them up the other night. I thought I'd share them while they were they were still fresh in my mind.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 16:02:27
I used to dislike GP, too. Too simple and boring, I thought. Then I gave the bass line an honest to goodness listen. Inventive to say the least. I paid attention to the whole production. Cleanly done through and through, and although at times trite melodically, GP is still very clever. Cheesy like the lifestyle the song portrays? Maybe. But much deeper than that. Deep like addiction perhaps. This one has grown on me. Now I repeat it at least 3 times when I listen to it.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 09:29:02
rod serling (an SU grad, thank you) was a genius who knew no boundaries in his writing
joe sample's crusaders was pre-dated by the group jazz crusaders in the late 60's, of which he was a member - i have old tapes of their stuff, very funky jazz grooves not to be beat - look for them in your favorite obscure music store, it's worth the trip!
i think joe henderson played with joe sample on some of his solo works, will have to check my cd rack when i get home...
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 08:41:15
Mentioning "West of Hollywood" puts me in a bit of a bind. I don't like it quite as much as I should due ot its repetitive beat that is almost overpowering (I realise I'm in the minority here). However, this feature of "Glamour Profession" does not have the same effect on me, and indeed, comments made here, and particularly on the yellow site have made me think more deeply about this. I certainly intend responding to the negative comments about Glamour Profession, which is IMHO the best track off "Gaucho" and rounds out three great tracks on Side 1 (thinking vinyl here). I will think further and get back to this subject shortly. One thing for sure, there is something haunting about Glamour Profession - they've wrapped up LA perfectly.
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 05:43:34
Waiting isn't a verb cuz here is six!
More things like Parker's Band or East St. Louis Toodle-Oo or the Mancini tune they played in Rotterdam Ahoy last year. That kind of ticking clicked perfectly. Pay tribute to Joni Mitchell is mighty fine .. however .. now WB and DF are headed for their own golden years, a trip down their memory lane or avenue translated in music .. it would suit Donald Fagen's itch for concepts and Walter Becker's Fall of '92 already wears what ticked and ticks him!
The Mancini interlude really had this tag "more more more" all over it and it reminded me of their appearance on David Lettermans's show a few years ago. The big band setting .. I don't consider those things extinct!! So there's the big band frame and the guitars, like so prominent on Royal Scam. Would be a perfect mixture. For the guitars were and are a very distinctive part of their unique sound. I kind of missed it some on Two Against Nature, really ..
This is like a ball bouncing back, I talked about this before on the yellow GB.
What about their parents btw? And did they inherit their musical skills or were they the one of a kind prodigy kind of humans .. are they?
Awaiting stray A's ..
Gina
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 01:55:37
Paige- Their is no doubt in my mind that time out of mind is about drugs! think about it, they were already known for writing songs about the subject at the time and wasn't walter involved in some heavy use during that period? it has to be about dope.
midnite cruiser- i'm glad you understand where hoops is coming from. i'm also glad you're not and should not take it personally. i know you're a major dan fan as i'm sure that everyone who posts here is.
Bob
Date: Thurs, July 05, 2001, 00:19:26
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 23:47:32
Gina-sorry, must have missed number four. Waiting for six.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 22:45:21
not only that, but i just recently listed out all of the b-sides, demos, rarities and soundtrack tunes that could be put on a donald rarities package and it would make a great cd, if not two. call reprise and ask for it!
call these record companies and let them know that we are here. thanks for the support hoops. when you gonna be in nyc again? - gotta hang out!
just saw the brian wilson special - fantastic. nice top carly.
jk
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 21:43:28
We all know that Gaslighting Abby is based on the similar Hitchcock movie. Don't Take Me Alive could be inspired by any Hitchcok thriller or even Dog Day Afternoon. King of the World and Sign In Stranger could easily be Rod Sterling classics on The Twilight Zone or Night Gallerie.
Now I am trying to think of other movies or shows that might very closely parallel Steely Dan songs. Maybe when Becker and Fagen went back and wrote something like Gaslighting Abby, they were actually writing about those things that made their hearts go tick, as Gina puts it.
Craig
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 20:41:47
Turns out it's a Twilight Zone marathon, and the episode I stopped at is called "The Obsolete Man." A plot synopsis is at http://www.geocities.com/john_75915/links/tzeplist/obsolete.html
and http://www.cfpeople.org/FrRay/3Sun01c.htm.
At the end, the disgraced government official is adjudged "obsolete," and is surrounded by a chorus of people, all chanting "You are obsolete! You are obsolete!"
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 19:44:00
(LisaG, four has already been firecracked and isn't pending ..)
Spent some time scroll-reading the SIS GuestBook/Banyan Trees and enjoyed the warm fuzzy memories that came rushing. I still consider most of time spent there quality time! Thank you St.Al for handing out chopsticks, rare napkins and stray-jackets.
The other day I couldn't help but think Pariah Carey.
It's awfully quiet now regarding the Carey song, isn't it?
Why don't WB & DF really go back in time and portray those that made their young hearts tick tick ticktick tick tickticktick?
Preferably what isn't generally known.
Or assumed to be.
Swift enough?
Gina
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 19:29:18
'nuff said.
oh yeah, Steely Dan rocks! ; )
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 18:30:24
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 15:45:56
MC and others; thanks for posting. Your bird page is very pleasant. I like birds--my mother, a "bird feeder lady" -- even likes your page a lot ("It's cute!") -- but I missed the Steely Dan connection. A common complaint by those precipitating this experiment was the SD-related to non-SD-related post ratio of the places like the alt.music group. So the top of the "Post Entry" page says, "Post your Steely Dan-related thoughts". The birds are harmless, but then what next? I think drawing the line at Steely Dan-related content is a pretty easy to grasp boundary and also one requested by more than a few Dan fans. A lot of them said that were tired of sifting through pleasant-but-non-Dan content to find the tasty plums.
One thing though; I forgot to send an email to MC with an explanation, as well as his post, in case he wanted to use it elsewhere. That is what will happen for the duration of this experiment, provided a legit email address is provided by the author. This is for everyone's benefit as I might not catch the subtle humor of a post. What if MC's birds were a subtle bit of humor? Maybe the birds were slyly airbrushed to look like Donald while performing on certain magic nights in Virginia--and what if I missed that? So thanks for excusing the botched followup, MC--very gracious. Everything that is posted is automatically archived as well, barring tech glitches. A suggestion was to have an auxiliary board showing what got bounced. Not a bad suggestion.
Regarding Joe Henderson's Passing: Chris Potter's latest CD, "Gratitude," includes a tribute to Joe called "The Shadow." Writes Chris in his liner notes about "The Shadow", "The first phrase is an inversion of Joe's tune, 'Inner Urge' ('Recorda-Me' is also hinted at later). I love the relaxed, unhurried vibe we got on this, which seems perfectly in tune with Joe's spirit." So when we hear Chris play with SD, we will always hear a bit of Joe as well.
As part of the "experiment," I don't want to post too much, but don't think I don't appreciate what I have been reading. Thanks everyone, especially, jk, among others, for pursuing the additional demo tracks thing.
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 15:19:37
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 15:17:00
Gina-hey, girl! You look very nice in Blue. Glad to know I can have my Kava tea and still read your offerings thrice. Make it four and more regular, ok?
Ole-I live to serve. LOL! Nice to see your fresh posts as well.
Speaking of...
MOD-where you been?
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 13:39:47
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6788-2001Jul1.html
Very sad day indeed. Joe Henderson was one of the greatest living jazz sax players, in my humble opinion.
Have Steely Dan ever talked about Joe?
Craig
Date: Wed, July 04, 2001, 02:30:30
I’m posting this after reading the lyrical interpretations of “Time Out Of Mind” that I read on Oleander’s great site.
There are so many “drug” interpretations of this song and I think that they have great merit. In fact, it’s hard to argue against the various drug interpretations. Not only because, SD likes to write about this subject, but the lyrics themselves seem “obvious.” By way of review, some (obvious) examples are:
“Tonight, when I chase the dragon.”
Commonly interpreted as “shooting up” or preparing your “self-medication.”
“Silver will turn to gold.”
When the tin foil turns from silver to (a kinda) gold color when heated during preparation.
“The water will turn to cherry wine.”
Still, a color transformation of the drug itself when heated.
It goes on and on.
Anyway, I had always thought that the drug interpretations were right on. That was until I read the “religious” interpretation offered by “Dan Fan” on 6/23/01 (posted on the Oleander site). His/her view is very creative and seems to fit well with the lyrics. With apologies to Dan Fan, I just wanted to summarize this neat interpretation.
Dan Fan is convinced that Time Out Of Mind is a song about a traveling preacher during the days of tent revivals (I think it was during the 1920’s and 30’s).
“Son, you better be ready for love, on this glory day.”
It’s the welcome to the revival…be ready for the love of Christ. It’s a glorious day.
“This is your chance to believe, in what I’ve got to say.”
Be a believer in the word of God. This could be your last chance.
“Keep your eyes on the sky, put a dollar in the kitty.”
Keep your eyes on heaven and be sure to put an offering in the basket we’re handing around.
“Don’t the moon look pretty?”
Revivals often took place at night.
“Tonight when I chase the dragon.”
Chasing evil demons from the souls of the participants. Chasing the devil.
“The water may change to cherry wine.”
The old biblical miracle of changing water to wine. Dan Fan makes a great point with reference to the word “may” change to cherry wine. The preacher doesn’t want to promise anything that he can’t deliver.
“The silver will turn to gold.”
A silver tongue will turn to gold (money).
“Time out of mind.”
Being literally “out of your head” in the throws of religious fervor. The revival itself.
“Children, we have it right here.”
Children, the flock of believers. It’s available to you right here and now.
“It’s the light in my eye, it’s the perfection and grace.”
Light, perfection and grace are all common in religious promises, etc.
“It’s the smile on my face.”
The continual draw of the preacher and his welcoming demeanor.
Once again, my apologies to Dan Fan. I just thought it was a very interesting slant on this song.
And what is interesting to me is that the two separate interpretations are not mutually exclusive. Nor do they contradict each other. After all, it has been said that “religion is the opiate of the people.”
-Paige
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 22:59:51
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 20:36:12
Majordudette- EGB?
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 19:41:26
It was cool, I liked it ;)
~md
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 18:40:27
We are happy to announce a last minute booking for our friends up in Northern California!
Join SFB , Thursday Night July 5 at 8pm as we head to Sacramento,Ca. to perform a special show on the Sacramento River!
Party down at Crawdads River Cantina and hear your favorite Steely Tunes ..LIVE!
Located on the river itself, this promises to be a great chance to see the band on a floating stage!
The address is 1375 Garden Highway, Sacramento
off of I-5 (916)929-2268..Show starts at 8pm and admission is FREE.!!!!!!!!
Also, don't miss the band next Tuesday Night, July 10th at 14 Below in Santa Monica,Ca...showtime:9pm
Have a great holiday weekend and we'll see you at the shows!
Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 16:37:14
Hutch, quite strange now Joe Henderson passed away and kind of is apt to become his own "shadow" as in ghost or spirit. Ofcourse referring to the very vibrant composition of Chris Potter on his Gratitude album, Shadow for Joe Henderson. Sigh. I think this now locked the contents of the lyrics I am going to write to that tune!
Chet Atkins also ... my father's fav and as a small kiddie I stared at both Chet Atkins' and Jim Reeves' album covers. And heard their music ofcourse. My dad and his friends used to play those kind of guitars. And music. In a way it's amazing mr Atkins was still around. So many have left this earth by now ...
So Hoops apparently lifted the first testtube in his (E)laboratory and made a birdish post fly out of here?
In the RLJ PublicLeaningPost corner we deleted/banned two members. One for being a bootleg salesperson and the other was just a GB regular using another handle, dropping zillion hints here on the blue GB by the way. Very tiring and obvious to one of the co-founders who like me felt we don't need any of that around, nope, not the kind of people who are welcome!
Most of the RLJ crowd have most of the Steely Dan albums in their collections btw or seen them live. And it was like "oh yes ofcourse" like it comes with the territory.
What territory one might wonder ...
Okay, now a few words have melted with time i think three's a crowd.
Happy 4th of July, citizens of the United States of America.
Regards, Gina
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 15:51:13
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 15:44:29
Music's ok. Singer's gotta go.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 14:39:56
if you want a peek, go to the "yellow" guestbook, the link's still there.
I like seeing some of the regulars who had bailed on St.Al's site here. Good to know you're all still alive & well.
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 13:31:14
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 13:27:22
luckless pedestrian- thanks, i'll check that band out. did you ever hear of a group called cruel shoes? don't know if they're around anymore but it's great stuff,very steely.
hoops- i didn't see the bird post by midnite cruiser, but i applaud your efforts in trying to keep this site a steely dan/music related place to come to. congrats!
Bob
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 11:31:14
how cool
MC
Date: Tues, July 03, 2001, 09:37:13
http://www.newhatrecords.com/7th/
now THIS is one of the best things about jumping into the cyber-world for me and most especially these pages devoted to steely dan, i have gotten exposed to some great music i would never had heard otherwise (thanks to malc, david and ken), so all hail to the web masters of the world! i learned about this band above at the yahoo site, if you dig it!
happy tuesday!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 22:37:12
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 22:30:55
Hutch--you are a complex and interesting guy.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 21:19:16
I'm playing the following CDs a lot lately:
Joe Jackson's Summer In The City
Lennono's Double Fantasty
Joni's Mingus
The Royal Scam
Gold CD version of Decade since FM sounds so great on it
I think the remastered Royal Scam is the most improved sounding of all the late 1990s remasters of the Steely Dan catalog. A good reason not to download MP3s.
Rob
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 21:10:18
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 16:52:09
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 16:28:38
Love for Steely Dan. Alright.
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 14:47:17
Another guestbook I see, but with soothing, blue-green colors and rules. Hmmm, an interesting concept, Hoops. So far it seems to have all the players minus the nastiness, but without the wacky creativity that occasionally surfaces on the yellow side. Well, the purists will be deliriously happy, anyway ;o)
Hello to all my chat and yellow GB buddies!
Aja
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 14:42:22
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 14:36:33
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 14:27:55
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 13:50:40
jk-you ARE the man (and I won't even mention people what don't live near an ocean).
LG
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 13:12:08
You make me cringe - my little cringemaker dork.
MOD
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 13:05:06
2. Like someone from Hartford could ever know anything. Why don't you just shut up and support the effort.
"Well, geepers I only like Steely Dan when Donald sings in B#, and there are female singers, and when the lyrics aren't too confusing!"
3. Too bad we never got to see President Kennedy's kid marry Elton John!!
Punchline: John John John
4. Hi Pete this is Lisa GEE. The gig went great we played in a smoke-engulfed shit house in New Jersey and played the exact same R&B covers that every other band in the world plays. All the guys were piss drunk on Zima and Bud Lite and all the badly made-up women with designs on their extremely long fingernails danced with each other. The base player you sent me was coked to the hilt and he wanted his money in cash before he took his axe out of the case. The way he played, it might as well have been a real axe.
5. Hey Hoopsie. I hope that you are not getting paid by the post here!
6. Hooper. If you were doing your job right you'd delete every post from that nob Q.
Love,
MOD Squad
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 12:19:03
Empty Arms Motel - Jimmy Thackery & The Drivers
Alma Brasileira - Sergio and Odair Assad
Booty-ism - The Headstone Circus
Got a Mind to Travel - Coco Montoya
Around the Next Dream - BBM
Las Heridas Del Amor - Paco Toronjo
Art of the Trio 4 - Brad Mehldau
Surprise Party - The Jeff McGall Project
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 09:52:07
takes everyone to keep the fire burning! i'm not going to do it alone.
jk
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 09:41:42
jk- As much as I would love to hear more old/new Steely Dan material, I can do without more Kenny Vance out takes . It's striped down way to much and Donald doesn't even sing on half of those songs. As much as I LOVE Steely Dan, I really don't think a lot of those demos are that good. I'm sure D&W would cringe if more of that stuff was let out. Let them pick the songs. Kenny Vance shouldn't be in charge, he's obviously only in it just for the $. I would much rather prefer to hear some out takes from more of their established records. Let's say from Katy Lied on. I love that old version of "I Got The News" I actually read somewhere that "I Got The News" was originally recorded during the "Can't Buy A Thrill" time period. Anyway, I guess I'll take what ever I can get.
Robert
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 09:12:33
Flipper, so good to see you here! Newport in '72, I am sure that was a good year, wow!
happy monday!
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 08:26:07
By the way - my question from yesterday stands. Waiting for suggestions...
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 01:19:37
I am coming to this party a bit late but find the jazz and conversation quite interesting. I can see that flaming can and does go on, but maybe meaningful conversation will win out. Good luck with your newest baby, Hoops.
jk: Quite an accomplishment. Keep the flame under the MCA guy. They are hot and almost anything could make money for their old record company right now.
ELO Zoom! The show is set to air sometime in August. Keep your eyes open if Rosie Vela is your thing.
Pete: I would still love to see a copy of TSD at the Bat. Any chance?
Armadillo: You are one loyal GB fan. Carry on....
Interesting subject on what's in the CD changer. My question is a bit more SD related. When playing a CD, what SD song will you never skip, even if time is short? I'll throw out a few. Citizen 1 Razor Boy, Citizen 2 King of the World,Katy Lied, Citizen 3 Don't Take Me Alive, Here at the Western World Citizen 4 Glamour Profession, Third World Man.
Hope this passes the Hoops censors....
Date: Mon, July 02, 2001, 00:39:06
Thelonious--I listen to WAR at work a lot. I like to crank up "The World Is A Ghetto" to drown out Dido and Travis Tritt.
So somebody else is listening to Spirit. What Randy California's really saying is "Hineh ma tov umanayim, shevet achim gam yachad" (forgive transliteration), a beautiful Hebrew song which means roughly "how good & how pleasant when brothers & sisters live together in unity." When I first heard it I flipped out, and I still love his version. You don't hear much wailing guitar in Jewish music, though some klezmer bands can really kick it out. Another beautiful rendition of a Hebrew prayer, if anyone's interested, is "Avinu Malchenu," sung by Lynette Margulies on Ben Sidran's "Live At The Celebrity Lounge." Which is meritorious in itself--Phil Woods is in the band, and as I just noticed, Phil Upchurch! --who just did a cover of JOS on his new cd. The world is way too small.
Kinklie--MWAH! You are the soul of discretion.
Aw come on, people, having some moderation, even if it is the Hoopster, and email id (I.D., that is, though there's definitely a lot of id innit) is not going to make this a cozy lovenest. In fact, I'd warrant there are even more who will consider it a challenge to see just how themselves they can be. Well, a bed of roses can be very uncomfortable.
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 23:17:32
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 22:59:26
<<<This is Kenny's management company. We are in discussions just now as to exactly what to do with this material. Many ideas have come and gone over the years but the project is still active. Keep watching the marketplace - we will come up with something that makes sense for everyone all around.
Thanks for your interest.
Best,
Bronx Flash Music, Inc.>>>
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 15:35:43
jk
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 15:11:05
they are here or we are them. but are we? they will never be us. but they are headed for us. is religion a cruel joke? don't pray to your slavemasters. spread the word of sitchin. http://www.sitchin.com/
let's get back to dan. did anybody snag a copy of the new song? they could put a snippet on their site.
let us all get a email to mr kenny vance (or call or letter) to encourage him to release the other pre-steely material. tell your friends to get involved. anyone getting a response should post it here. tell him that we have investors for the project!
go to his site: http://www.planotones.com/
tilden,
jk
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 14:53:55
MOD: I didn't say they hated them, Donald asked me who was mad at them. Actually if they had asked me who hated them, the interview would have been a lot longer :-)
Mean old Motherfucker: Next time I'll be sure to keep it to myself
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 11:55:22
It's Sunday, the first day of July, and having just returned from a little road trip, I was smiling and pouting as I eagerly perused this brand new guest book experiment again. What a strange and intriguing trip it is to have with my first cup of coffee on this glorious summer morning with each of you. We do have many personalities here.
Oleander and Lady BaySide (I hope I remembered your nick correct;y, LBS), thank you both for the welcome - I still smile when I remember that weekend in NYC, celebrating SD and their HOF induction - whatta blast!
I must admit pouting a bit as I read and tried desperately to understand MOD's posts. Are you really mean? Are you really old? Are you really 'Daddy'? Do you love SD like we all do? I must say that you have inspired me in a weird way....inspired me to post a few words about respect.- the kind of respect and admiration we all have for Steely Dan. It's an honest, unassuming respect - a happy and fun loving kind of respect. It's also the kind of respect we give to creative artists who are able to transport us into a kind of beautiful fantasy that often becomes so real. I dare not even attempt to talk about the the intricate lyrics and music...I just feel the vibes when I tune in to a radio station and the DJ plays an old or new SD tune. It would be sweet if MOD could join us in our revalry. With that wry sense of humor and creative way of working words, you should be an ally of ours!
Have a good day, friends - life is truly beautiful most days...Viva la Steely Dan and each of us!
Love and Peace,
Moonflower
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 11:39:40
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 11:16:19
i am told that someone has taken up the mckaie banner ( not to be confused with mckay). this person must be reading the old metal leg fanzines because it was i who first screamed the battle cry and it did help. of course it only got us the pretty much useless box set but we did get the glorious 'movies' outtake.
word did get back to me that andy was innundated with letters. so i agree that we should give it one more try. andy mckaie is head of the back catalogue at mca (universal). call him or find the address at universal city, california. tell him you want at least a cd's worth of steely dan rarities and you want them now. get 5 of your friends to send/call too. andy is a good guy, a steely fan, and a little weird.
kenny vance, it is said in brian sweet's book, is holding on to more pre-steely demos. i imagine that he might be able to distribute them semi-legally. i don't know anything about his web page but apparently he still plays live so go to his gigs and bug him.
both of these are long shots but we might as well try. the best bet to me is a collection of donald's solo b-sides, demos, and movie tunes. he released them so he must think that they are good. the only problem is that we have them all. it would be nice to get them in one package though. people would buy it for xmas. you probably have to call warners to bug them on that one.
jk
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 07:42:41
Not that it reeaally matters but...
Re: kickbuttal
This is odd I can't even remember what you wrote...
Alright then, by memory:
I made clear that I (whoever I am) DISAGREE with the move. But now, I'm not so sure (again, not that it matters at all)...
Everyone else (whoever that may be, if anyone) knows who this is. Get a freaking clue before you start mouthing off please, by all means. It's both an E for discernment and a C- for netiquette right there.
"Tell us"?? You and what army? You a self-titled spokesman for this new virtual saloon now? Bring your own drool. Send in the clowns for the grand opening! Yi-Hee!
Kinkee Kong dude, you know all that about them computers, right? Pretending not to know the Bunions (your words) when you, of all people, go back to 1996 on these very Bunions, at least... no comment. Now for sure, it's not THAT much hard work but over time it might get annoying to host a board. Everyone wants their chatroom up and their page to load fast and nanananaana, you should know. You probably being the first crybaby of the bunch over there, ANON, of course. What's an internet email anyway? Bet there's cobwebs all over your aol box there, buddie and it's most likely filling up with last year's gay porn site membership spam downfall. Enough wasted on this absurdly humorous situation already here. You don't even know who you're addressing and in turn, neither do I. Now THAT's absurd alright.
And stop mollesting everyone you come across, including shadows. That's an F for good measure.
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 07:23:09
It's good to have an alternative.
Dr Mu - Glad to hear the Neil Finn's still spinning!
I'd like to put a quiestion to the Board:
"Which tune on "2AN" is the closest to Jazz than any other. My vote goes to 'Negative Girl' - lovely fade-out. (That's why I played it the other night Alan!!).
Hello to the Duck if she's around?
Cheers all.
Mr Chow
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 04:16:22
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 01:46:32
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 01:12:03
1) Royal Scam
2) Weezer (Green CD)
3) Gaucho
4) Black Sabbath (Paranoid)
5) Tull (Aqualung)
(On deck: Aja)
I know...strange mix. There's no accounting for taste.
-Paige
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 01:06:34
I'm sure that you and a lot of the readers here are aware that the St. Al's and this posting place are not the only Steely Dan related sites for this. I don't regard your experiment as competition to St. Al. The more the merrier, I always say. After all there are 3 viable Steely Dan tribute bands in Southern California that I know of at the present time, and I do not see any conflicts or battles among them. Actually, I have played keyboards in 2 of the three and there is harmony between these two. The approaches of these 2 bands are different, as are the approaches of the yellow and the blue (my 2 school colors, btw - UCLA and UC Berkeley).
So I wish you good luck and success with the blue pages and I look forward to running into you in chat (St. Al's of course).
Steveedan
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 01:04:56
I too just picked up the new Weezer (green) CD. I'm enjoying it as a part of my regular listening menu. It really is excellent. This Rivers Cuomo guy is quite a writer. His music is so diverse and yet there a clear common thread in the style.
When I saw them on SNL performing "Hash Pipe" I knew I had to get the CD. The other songs are excellent as well. Particularly the cut right after Hash Pipe...think it's called "Island in the Sun." (The whoop-whoop song)
Anyway. If you haven't caught their newest, it's well worth a listen. Check it out.
-Paige
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 00:37:58
xxoo
Date: Sun, July 01, 2001, 00:35:23
I have noticed the improvement of SNL sound quality. I would definately attribute that to technology though because if you compare the sound of any old tv shows with those of new ones you will see a striking difference in quality.
I really enjoy watching the SNL band, especially the guitarist(I really need to work on learning names). He's fun to watch and he's been around for a long time. They really have some very talented musicians. I think that'd be one of the greatest jobs in the world- jammin' the jazzy sounds on the set of SNL...what do you think?
~md
Go to the August 2001 bluebook Entries
Posted by: Gina, The HinDANburg?W1P! it didn't land on your head or anything, did it?
Posted by: You down with W1P? Yeah, you know me, LAGina, great Jazz site! However, I must admit that I thought you were posting a URL for a Billy Joel tribute band!
Posted by: Gina, Red Zeppelinhm ... got to get this thing a little higher now .. what if i'd drop this ... http://www.52ndstreet.com/ ... W1=Pink WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: The truth, There's no doubt anymore that it was definitely WB all over Black Friday. He's said so, it appeared that way on the "Decade" credits, and Gary Katz also said it in a separate interview. The fact that it doesn't sound anything like his later solos is probably due to the rusty string thing, as well as just that he most likely played different guitars and changed his style in later years.
Posted by: lp, @workthanks hoops, i will listen again to see both solos as well as a re-listen of do it again, hmmmm.....
Posted by: angel, I'll collect everything I'm owedHoops: What information do you have about Black Friday? As has been posted before from the ODP, Walter comments on how he did the solo with Denny's Guitar and rusty strings. Why would Walter lie? :-)
Posted by: W1P, LAMr. Sticks has the lineup reversed for 8/11 -- it will be SFB followed by W1P and then LZ! That is all.
Posted by: hoops, Sounds like W1P has a great LA event planned!
Posted by: W1P, LAMINI-DANFEST
August 11, 2001
Tarzana, CA
Which One's Pink?
Led Zepagain
You will also get the side benefit of Which One's Pink and Led Zepagain -- two of the best tribute bands in Los Angeles. I mean, other than the total jazz freaks here, who didn't have Zep IV, Dark Side of the Moon and Royal Scam in their collections? Man, I'll bet even the "jazz wing" of Dandom had records from each of these bands.
Posted by: hoops, For $400, to block the "O", I'm going to agree with Dr. Mu's answer about "I Got The News." Becker solo first, then Carlton later.
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, Hello From Dan Land!
Posted by: DrMu, TejasHmmmm...both Walter and Carlton are listed as soloists on I Got the News
Posted by: Gina, Google CanyonBlame it on Bob!
Posted by: The truth, LP -- your husband is right. That solo is so distinctively Walter's signature sound that I can't imagine any uncertainty about it.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, slowed posting at the yellow sitehey, i posted this question at the yellow board, but have not gotten a response as of yet - anyone in here know this one for me?
Posted by: The truth, when I first heard Trans Island Skyway I thought DF was trying to sound like Prince. Remember how it sounded when he sang the chorus "Steamin' up..." ?
Posted by: Gina, Latin Sun Mountainhttp://www.yellowjackets.com/biographies/jimmybio.html
Posted by: B, That isUnless she's wearing lingerie and a push up bra.
Posted by: Blaise, noNo sax playing bimbo on the next tour. Thank you.
Posted by: Purple Brain, "How Come You Don't Call Me" Support GroupYes you are right, Hoops, about Candy telling Prince what a BLEEP he was for doing that! Somehow this whole image thing can rule not in a musician's favor. Candy threw in her saxuality and sold lots of CD's but it kind of drew away attention from her many outstanding LIVE gigs. Since we're rooting for new musicians to accompany Walt and Don and Roger Nichols and Cornelius Bumpus on a new tour, why not throw in some more of dutch craft here :-)? Trijntje Oosterhuis was a back up vocalist in Candy's Funky Stuff and made a career on her own in the band Total Touch she formed with her brother Tjeerd. She's done a lot solo as well and Herbie Hancock recognized her talent and had her on stage with him during North Sea Jazz. Trijntje also hooked up with pianist Michiel Borstlap who also has ties to Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter for they recorded his composition "Memory of Enchantment" and experience this particular song as a challenge to their mutual creativity. Back to Candy? There's also Saskia Laroo, she masters her trumpet in many ways! Michael McDonald and Larry Carlton have plans or are in the midst of doing something together, now that's always nice news. Wouldn't mind those two in a "new" Steely Dan Tour line up!
Posted by: hoops, Prince and Steely Dan! Interesting topic!
Posted by: Purple Brain, Brass Barry BeretSome of Prince was good, yes. But to put him in one sentence with DF and WB, that's beyond my comprehension. Bob, you fell of a wagon or what?
Posted by: DrMu, unpronouncable cymbalPurple Rain = Blue Indigo?
Posted by: The Poster, Formerly BobTo clarify, Prince was advance selling his CDs through his website. He ended up charging significantly more than then the CDs' prices when they arrived in stores. On top of that the web-purchased CDs took weeks to arrive and often after they were already in stores.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Bob, Thinking of Prince and Steely Dan at the same time made me think what if Donald and Walter started adopting certain aspects of Prince's stage prescense and personna.
Posted by: father william, Does Prince have a Billy Strayhorn?
Posted by: Henry, Cherry Hill, NJ I see a new Prince Greatest Hits compilation is coming out this week. Has anyone seen or heard any quotes from Becker and Fagen about Prince? Many musicians consider Prince a genius and I have even heard Prince called The Duke Ellington of the latter 20th Century. I wonder if Donald and Walter agree to any extent.
Posted by: Hutch, Even though my first name is Mike I want y'all to know I'm NOT the Mike who posts here.
Posted by: hoops, Urbana, ILPat: Thanks to Pat for stopping by--Not everyone would
do that. The welcome wagon is indeed welcomed.
Posted by: Gina, on one of the Banyan Tree Yellow Picket Fenceshowdy St. Al, while i write this the first chords to Jennifer Warnes' Big Noise New York set in ... i KNOW Donald Fagen is singing backing vocals but i have a hard time filtering him out. a real beautiful song it is and ms Jennifer big noising it very gently!
Posted by: StAl, Rain, USAMike: You're just jealous. It's been a common theme since 1995 no matter which color you choose -- Jealousy that is.
Posted by: W1P, wch1ispink@aol.comYes Danny Steel, English tribute (don't call 'em "cover") bands COUNT! One of the best tribute bands in the world is based out of the UK -- the Austrilian Pink Floyd. They are so good that they once played David Gilmour's birthday party AND Dave himself sat in with them! Now, it was awesome when Bernard Purdie and Lou Marini sat in with the Steely Damned in New York City or when Walt/Don/Pete gave the Steely Damned extensive positive reference in the Two Against Nature DVD. But can you imagine Walt and/or Don showing up at your gig and actually sitting in with your band? I mean, W1P was blown away when we played a book signing for Storm Thorgerson (designer of the classic Floyd Lp artwork) and Alan Parsons showed up and merely commented to the soundman that he thought we sounded good. I think we'd have collective heart failure if Roger Waters appeared side stage offering to jam with us!
Posted by: majordudette, ...she hopped a bus to...I was sitting in Starbucks this morning with my java, contemplating buying "Hear Music(volume 4)" which has the Rickie Lee Jones cover of "Show Biz Kids" on it, when all of the sudden, as if an omen- "Hey 19" comes across on the radio. I got up and bought the cd.
Posted by: Mark Drinan, BostonHey!
Posted by: Mike, Well if it isn't St Al ridin' over on the Welcome Wagon bearing ham and Velveeta® rather than the usual Flowers and Chocolates. What, trying to make things less fun by saying it's OK?
Posted by: StAlphonzo, WOMAD USAMu -- Man, I'm in total agreement with your assessment of the re-arrangement of the live Sign In Stranger. I distinctly remember hearing that live in 94 and realizing at that point that , yes indeed, Steely Dan had made the conversion from studio to live with perfection and grace. Perhaps it was the drugs, but that song stunned me with it's taffy-like feel and subtle vibe. That '94 Gorge show was when Steely Dan really came into focus for me, and inspired me to go on to create Under The Banyan Trees...
Posted by: Sam, Sam The SD Bible Man, No. English Cover Bands don't count. Only American and Argentinian ones count. Canandian ones count too since Canada is really the 51st state of the USA.
Posted by: Trafalgar, Squarehttp://members.tripod.com/DannySteel_Orchestra/feedback.htm
Posted by: DrMu, Natural Sauna Springs, TxGE: You've hit the nail on the head. Steely Dan 2 is the best cover band around. They've maintained a supreme level of musicianship with a revolving live crew over the past 9 years (if you could the '92 R&SR with WB and Donald). Most importantly the songs have stayed alive. New arrangements and charts, improvisations while capturing the essence of the original recordings have enhanced and allowed rethinking of these classics. The revamped Sign in Stranger on AiA with the suprise latent horn bridge may surpass the original. While one could argue that the engineering or final sound did not match undercover stuff, the performances speak for themselves. Zingg excelled on TWM. Last year the bare midriff section, the rock solid Lawson and Barney rhythm section, and Michael Leonart's tight horn section added some real punch. Listen to the outtro to Gaslighting Abbie live on PBS' Plush. I close my eyes at this point a) to "see" the interplay between the horn theme, Potter's accents, the keys, and bass as well as b) to avoid the general nausea elicited by the amateurish faux art cinegraphic gang bang perpetrated by the PBS Krewe...
Posted by: negativeGirl, majordudette: here's my interpretation of the female in negative girl. it's only fitting for me to comment, since i borrowed my handle from the tune :)
Posted by: Gene Kelly, "truth"?
Posted by: W1P, wch1ispink@aol.comMike: To paraphrase your inquiry, "why do we have cover bands when we can hear "note for note" on the CD? A couple of things. First, nothing can really replace live music -- I don't care how good your stereo is. There's a certain power to a live amplified performance. There is a certain edge to seeing the musicians playing the parts rather than watching an LED display give information on track number and duration. Second, there is a communal experience at a live show that can rarely be duplicated at home. When 100s or 1000s of music fans get together to feel the power of a live performance, its such a treat to connect with like-minded people who share a love for live performances and/or the specific material being performed.
Posted by: Raleigh Danfest, The Outer BanksRaleigh Danfest Outerbanks Website is now at http://dandom.com/danfests/raleigh
Posted by: The truth, Funny, I was just thinking today I hear a lyrical connection between This Seat's Been Taken, and "There Must Be Some Misunderstanding" by Genesis/Phil Collins (I can't differentiate between those two artists anymore...)
Posted by: majordudette, Ahh, conflict...It can be nice at times but in this situation I will chose to ignore it. Let us join and begin a pleasant conversation.
Posted by: Mike, Stevie Dearest--
Posted by: Mike, New Names for StevieWhatever--
Posted by: Steveedan, Los AngelesHi again. What I meant to say in the first paragraph of my previous post was:
Posted by: Steveedan, Los AngelesIf anyone has read MOD's post on St. Al's site then you will see that he has claimed that he will no longer post at either site. This is his decision. I did not (nor do I feel that I or anyone else who visits either of these sites) incite him to leave. I felt that his latent disrespect for everyone needed to be checked and he chose to target me to see if I would get scared and run. Sorry MOD.
Posted by: Chips, amd, stillHey Hoops, I was just trying to help steveedan out here - at least I use bonafide email addresses in here when I post.
Posted by: hoops, Hey all--
Posted by: Blue Angel, ...Hush Steveedan, keep it cool. Don't get upset!
Posted by: Steveedan, Los AngelesMOD -- I just can't keep myself from saying this to you --
Posted by: wch1ispink@aol.com, LAMOD -- is there really a need for such negativity? You can easily make your points without attacking people for not being "creative" I guess it was just a matter of time until this started to resemble yellow.
Posted by: MOD, Rub-a-dub-dub
Posted by: MOD, GEEZ Steevador, MOD is so sorry to hear that you have so little creativity that you can't even come up with your own name. What a lame-o.
Posted by: Steveedan, Los AngelesMOD, it would appear that you need some straightening out. I , however, already have a career. There are 2 Steviedans that post here and at St. Al's. The one I call the original Steviedan, from Raleigh, NC. He is a musician and a musicologist of the highest order. You could learn a thing or two from him, but don't attempt your brand (if you could call it that) of humor with Steviedan. He doesn't suffer fools, so beware, for I believe your reputation preceeds you ...
Posted by: Robert Ross, the parking lotBob-- i think your getting this whole tribute thing mixed up. you're getting way off the subject. what W1P originally asked is what we think of tribute bands. Not what we think of joe jackson covering 'king of the world' or lenny kravitz covering 'american woman'. pink is talking garage bands here. you know, poor shumcks just trying to make a living and doing gigs in their spare time. what you're talking about is a whole different ball game. from reading your post, you just don't seem to get or like the idea of tribute bands, which is fine. i understand the passion, as do a lot of the fans of these bands getting covered. they don't think to much about the whole idea of it. they just like the music and want to hear it re-produced live. that's all. it's not a crime.
Posted by: W1P, LASpeaking from the perspective of a "note for note" tribute, I can say that the motive is basically to play the music you love live. We figure that we want to hear the album cuts with the power of live amplifiers so other people might also want to go along for the ride. In addition, there are certain songs that never get played (or never got played live). Specifically in the case of Pink Floyd the album The Final Cut was not the basis for a tour, the band split after it was released and since all the material was 100% Roger Waters, the David Gilmour Pink Floyd never played the songs live. In terms of having chops to play it our own way, our singer has an "original" band that plays a few Pink Floyd covers but not "note for note" The rest of the band basically does this as a hobby to fill a void left by the absence of a unified Pink Floyd since 1983.
Posted by: GE, re: Cover Bands
Posted by: Bob, CrayZ: I''ll have to think on that one. I had never though of I got the news from that angle but it seems like a good one.
Posted by: Bob, Yeah, I agree with Pink. Some people think a tribute band should cover the original artist note for note. Debating whether a band is any good at that or that the whole concept is worthwhile is one way to look at it.
Posted by: Cray Zee, LABob -- Re "I Got the News," you sure got the sex parts right. I think the song is about blackmail. The singer knows the "warm soulful secret" Broadway Dutchess has been keeping for years. I think her secret has to do with her having sex with someone.
You're a mark
You're a screamer
You know how to hustle
I don't care
Yeah you got the muscle
[But] I got the news
How did you know
Can't you see our love will grow
May be true
I would still be proud
To know you
Posted by: W1P, wch1ispink@aol.com"missing the point" - actually, there are two schools of thought out there. One group (the majority) feels that a "tribute band" should make every effort to duplicate the original (whether this is "note for note" off studio or live recordings). Another group (the minority) feels that a "tribute band" can (and maybe should) pay tribute by interpreting the songs. I see merit in both positions so long as the audience is fully informed as to which flavor you have selected. A perfect example exists here in LA with Blue Floyd (playing blues arrangements of Pink Floyd) and Which One's Pink (a so-called "classic" tribute band).
Posted by: I think you're , missing the pointBob
Posted by: Bob, I have seen the Steely Damned and the Royal Scam. The Steely Damned are definitely the tops of the two. I guess a lot of SD fans see these tribute bands as a Steely Dan substitute and like it best when there's a note for note replication of the original album versions. There is clearly something to be said for that and it is impressive. But I also like hearing versions that are not note for note. I find out new things about the original Steely Dan songs when I hear them interpretted by someone else differently.
Posted by: Robert Ross, Conn.W1P-- My first experience with any tribute band was in the village in nyc around 1995. I saw a sd tribute band called the royal scam. to say the least they weren't very good. the band kept screwing up the lyrics and the lead singer was wearing 1977 aviator sunglasses. it also seemed as though they were playing to tracks because their was no bass player. the thing was,i was hearing a bass and it wasn't coming from the keyboard. i would sum up the band with one word... "cheesy". I swore i would never go see another tribute band for as long as i lived.
Posted by: W1P, LALet's see what the reaction here is to Steely Dan tribute bands. Over on the yellow, there's a bunch of trolls ready to post anonymous attacks on tributes (and there's some legitimate posters who respond to the issue in good faith -- even though I belive they are wrong). So here in what is supposed to be the real Dan-related forum, what do the assembled masses think? Have you seen any of these tributes? Are any worthwhile? What's your feeling generally on the phenomena? BTW, if you are looking for info on Dan tributes (and many other rock tributes) check out http://www.tributecity.com Several Steely Dan tributes are listed with info and links to their websites, etc.
Posted by: mflinn, wondered if dandom were hipped yet to the new magazine
Posted by: Robert, conedyes, i always knew that cheaters were slang for glasses. i've also heard it used for a type of undergarment. the latter seems like the right fit for that particular song.
Posted by: steviedan, gee bob, if that's ALL you found then you must not be very perceptive. either that or just overly consumed by the whole stupid "cheaters" arguement, as many other less perceptive people seem to be. the post is there if you are curious. better yet, pick up the magazine and find out what is going on in good music these days.
Posted by: "piss page dummy", F.Y.I. Bob:
Posted by: majordudette, negative girl- yeah, that's me, damn straight. (we have way to much in common, although i don't go for chest hair too much ;) i have always wished to see the dan on snl. that would be the coolest thing ever. i just doubt that would ever happen. too bad really...
Posted by: Robert Ross, Ct.steviedan -- i went over to the "piss page" for sd results and all i found there were these dummies who think the lyric 'cheaters' in everyone's gone to the movies means sunglasses. that song is so self explanatory it's ridiculous. i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
Posted by: Chips, betcha can't eat just oneMOD is da man - again, your posts crack me up, but I believe you are the alter-ego of a normally shy poster from st al's site - just a theory, anyway, keep it up sybil!
Posted by: hoops, If you have requests for posts that have been cancelled for whatever reason, including by the request of the original poster, please email hoops@dandom.com from a valid email account and not by messaging me at the GB. You will be contacted by email by myself or the person posting. If a post is dropped, the original poster probably doen't want their item refeatured.
Posted by: negativeGirl, hey! it seems as if MOD recently learned the art of character mapping and is now basking in the glow of this newly found skill. slow down, little buddy! only one special symbol per day, please.
Posted by: Steely Magnolia Blvd, I see some posts have been removed. Could you please put them back up, I didn't get a chance to read them all.
Posted by: MOD, Who you lookin' at?, So Chips, are you Freeto Lay®? MOD just bought a 12 pack, dig?
Posted by: MOD, HOO, if MOD catches you running with those sizzors, you are grounded fella!
Posted by: MOD, Misogynist. MOD has a life, ya know - gotta knock these missive OUT! How about spellchecker HOO?
Posted by: MOD, Hey you Stinker, MOD only wants to have his way with female visitors - dem viruses wearing pumps, pearls, little tops and tight capris.
Posted by: hoops, Blaise: I don't know who MOD, MED, etc is, nor half these people. The focus is Steely Dan-related and tangential musical topics. If someone has their way with visitors and also manages to keep their foot in the Steely Dan tangent and be funny, then I tip my hat to them. MOD, for example, does that...But if not, then look out for the scissors. If it's funny and SD-related, the posts sound like keepers to me.
Posted by: B, whacky wonderlandAnd I find the funniest thing about the "experiment" so far is seeing how Hoops obviously knows who MOD really is yet he lets him have his way with every visitor. That IS odd, no?
Posted by: K a.k.a B, trials and errors Discarded for all these reasons, yes, of course, strangers. And an oxymoron it is, almost, not quite, sure... I can sing off-key in the shower at home, I can say stupid things, I can make no sense at all, if I please, in my own quarters. It wasn't meant for you to see, bottom line. I was only having fun on MY own "private" web page, "experimenting", thinking I could use the easily accessible space to drop unfinished business, half-baked stuff. Something like an online notepad of sorts. It's the best use I could think of for the page since it was not meant to be serious, it was NOT advertized and consequently, not very popular by design. And this was indeed an inside joke destined for the few people I knew could see it, not for you or this other guy for sure. Very, very few people knew about this site, a handful at best. And I didn't expect to find out anyone was lurking over there and could spread any of it quite like this, you know. My mistake. You learn a little every day. At least I know I do.
Posted by: Chips, Blaise's siteMOD, you are killing me, I spit coffee out my nose reading your post today laughing so hard, stop the madness! (one step beyond.....)
Posted by: Howard, Just checking in for the first time here. Hi to all, especially folks I know from "the yellow" - Gina, angel, steveedan ...
Posted by: steviedan, up on the downbeatfirst, i am not steveedan.
Posted by: MOD, sending positive energy to GH…, Steely Dan is boring. Let's talk about the Hudson Brothers! Oh Gooody!
Posted by: hoops, Angel, thanks for the great review of The Steely Damned.
Posted by: Bob,
I noticed that I Got The News is the only song that Becker/Fagen don't dicuss on the Making of Aja CD.
In your Lark
You're a mark
You're a screamer
How to hustle
Daddy
Is a rare
Millionaire
I don't care
Yeah you
Got the muscle
I got the news
How did you know
Can't you see our love will grow
In your hand
All the sirens
And the band
Get to bendin' my ear
Was I to know
About the warm
Soulful secret
You been keepin' for years
I got the news
I may never walk again
Half as much as
Everybody thinks you do
May be true
I would still be proud
To know you
See it glisten
You came ragin'
Love rampagin'
I got the news
How did you know
Can't you see our love will grow
Posted by: angel, We got the Steely Damned Tee ShirtsAs promised, here is The Steely Damned review from their July 21st show. If you are not interested, please feel free to scroll on by.
Posted by: hoops, Charmer2K: Looks like "Weakest Link" is aptly named. The witch who hosts it is horrid too. That's what happens when you hire NYPD for a lighting designer...now the Dan shows had great lighting. Maybe I can convince my young impressionably niece that 2vN is by the Backstreet Boys so she will give it a chance.
Posted by: Booby Ross (just for Mean Old Dick), Hartford, Ct.blue book of liars
Posted by: Mike, Whew!! That last exercise was lots of fun. I'm enjoying this place a lot, (excluding today's earlier psychobabble trash from the vaults).
Posted by: the charmer, under meFirst "Millionaire", and now "Weakest Link"
Posted by: NOT YOUR DADDY, discarded it readmirror over your bed or under your nose,
Posted by: , MOD, pop another pill
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Golly, Mr.\Ms. Med you shore know a heap of purdy $10 words. Cindy Calhoun will be mighty impressed!
Posted by: Dan Angel, On the DunesIt's just time for another one of these:http://www.telusplanet.net/public/roon58/SD/gallery.htm
Posted by: G, ...http://www.toadshow.com.au/rob/rob.htm
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountainhttp://www.amiright.com/misheard/artist/steelydan.shtml
Posted by: Junkie Girl, Gutter Avenue(moaning) oh mean old daddy, gimme your cane i need some more of that brown sugar
Posted by: W1P, LAI LOVE the experiment! Any reports on last night's TSD show in San Diego?
Posted by: Elmer Fudd, Warner Bros. studiosDe main pwobwem wid de yellow pages is ders too many Dadgum birds: bluejays and mockingbirds. Wook, deh's goes one now. Kah-bloom!!!!! Dat's bettah - de only buuhd heah should be Chawie Pahkah.
Posted by: Mike, Home At Last - EE-lee-in Gonzales (Or what ever that Cuban Kid's name was)
Posted by: hoopsie, your loving hostFailure? Success? Huh? IT'S AN EXPERIMENT! I says the Bluebook just is. No experiment is a failure--you test to observe what happens. Win-win situation--learning a lot about GB and Dan Fan culture, for starters. Hope you have too. BTW: It's been a month...interesting...need more data...onward...keep posting. Thanks.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Dear Miss Steviedan:
Posted by: Stan "the anti SD cover band" Dan, Putang, Il.Steveedan,
Posted by: Stan "the anti SD cover band" Dan, Putang, Il.Steveedan,
Posted by: , WarningThis page takes 3 hours to load on a regular 56k connection. Noone knows why. After all, it's just a jpeg, some text and some background color lifted off the ODP siteguide. It's just a long handshake across the wire.
Posted by: Steveedan, Beverly Hills AdjacentHi MOD --
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy,
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, You know, were Cokie Roberts hep, she'd change her name to Xie Roberts. YEEEEEEEOOOOOOWWW!! John John John HAAAAAAAA!!!!
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, MOD loves his little kidz:
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Hey Mikey. MOD no like it when a nobody one-ups MOD! Have a Mike's Lemonade ya one-liner Harp!
Posted by: Mike, Every One's Gone To The Movies -covered by Michael Jackson
Posted by: Gina, Take Cover Mountainthis the time for Dan Education, that's what you get living on the "wrong" side of the big pond .. lots of news not reaching us, lots of music neither! about the cover thing .. Aja from the Banyan Trees GB was in her car tuning the radio and there was Don Braden doing that Kid Charlemagne .. anyone heard that one? GE mentions covers i never heard of and lots of what Hoops mentions about the HMB and all is like new to me too! i do know some bad ones, the ones from that movie, Irene something? those not covers, those Dan rape!
Posted by: hoops, MOD: LOL --my sides hurt!
Posted by: Stan, Gina, have you heard that new hip hop take on Erik Satie? Was at the gym and noticed that familiar My Dinner WIth Andre closing credits melody line inside this midtempo dance music number. Anyone else?
Posted by: Q, bravo!
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Dammnnnn, MOD'S one phunny phuck.
Posted by: Meaqn Old Daddy, Yipppie!
Posted by: Q, Mike, I couldn't agree more - Despite photos of him from the 70's tours standing at a microphone and that he also does so during recent tours, I will always picture Donald singing from behind a keyboard too.
Posted by: hoops, I can't remember to which degree there is overlap, if any, between personnel with Joe Roccasano's Orchestra and the Hoops McCann Band, but the Roccassano covers I am referring to are "The Goodbye Look" & "Throw Back The Little Ones" on JR's "Leave Your Mind Behind."
Posted by: Rob, Hoops,
Posted by: hoops, In the August "Stereophile" magazine, columnist Jon Iverson alludes to 2vN enginerr Elliott Scheiner working on the DVD-A releases of Van Morrison's WB Records classics (probably "Astral Weeks," "Moondance," and "His Streetband and the Choir"). Hmmm...does this mean he's not working with the Dan a the moment? Hope it's just in addition to and that "The Next One" is in the works. The Van stuff are classic albums of the highest order, so it's great nod, methinks, that Scheiner was asked to work on them.
Posted by: GE, As long as we're talking about Dan covers here, thought I would throw in one of my favorites.
Posted by: hoops, Thanks very much to Gary Beck as well as Truth and Rob for the suggestions as to other versions of "Mary Mary" that were out there before Walter Becker performed it live in '92. The thread is very much a tangentially Dan one and an interesting one well-suited to here. Gary's contribution was indeed pertinent...the deally here is anything musically tangential to Steely Dan.
Posted by: Santa's lil heckler, One more thing. The same people who go gaga over Phil Upchurch's "reworking" of Jack Of Speed are the very same folks who once confided they weren't that impressed with the original. People be consequent, by all means. This version PALES in comparison, BIG TIME. The guitar merely covers the lead vocals part note for note and the interpretation adds very little to the song and is, in all objectivity, way inferior to the original. ADMIT IT. I know it looks good to cheer for that kind of obscure jass thing (and I admit I'm surprised to see a cover of a 2VN song come out so fast already myself) but there are so many ways you can try to distance yourself, striving to be hip and original, from what you perceive as the masses (which is hardly the case here to begin with), you know. Now go back to listening to your fine jazz and find me something I can write home about, something remotely relevant or truly stimulating. Or is there such a thing out there anymore? Just asking. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Santa's Little Helper, FYIThat last post, similar to MC's bird endeavour, has very little to do with Steely Dan.
Posted by: gary beck, san diego mike
Posted by: Gina, SunBeamy Cyber Roam Mountain"Her finest moment came with Flying Cowboys — the Walter Becker-produced opus reminiscent of his work with Steely Dan (crystal clear horn arrangements, dazzling dusky harmonies) that opened Jones' lyrics to loving introspection as opposed to tart, vivid sarcasm."
Posted by: Mike, Forgot to thank Truth for answering the NY Rock and Soul Review questions. The first time that Walter came and played with Fagen on NY Rock and Soul must have brought the house down after all that. Imagine, 18 years and they hadn't played together live for anyone and then boom it happens. And the rest is history as they say.
Posted by: Mike, I was listening to Peg and deciced to check the musician credits. I realized that Donald Fagen doesn't play a musical instrument on it. This made me realise something. When I picture Fagen singing, I picture him in front of keys or a piano. But I bet that he doesn't record these while at a keyboard but standing up or sitting down with no musical instrument, singing into a mic with headphones on. Somehow I can't picture that but it's probably true.
Posted by: Gina, Webradio Mountainaah, how nice! A Steely Dan cover on Jazz 88 of Jack of Speed .. an instrumental version, nifty .. this a FINE JAZZ station in San Diego where a RLJ friend hosts a show from 0900-1200 your time .. it's got 23 hours of great music so please tune in if you can??
Posted by: George, leopold, thanks for your homeless bum concept. yep, this world is really cold. I feel some pity. oh well.
Posted by: oleander, checking outOutta here. See you in 2 weeks or so. Be.
Posted by: Rob, Wasn't "Mary Mary" first recorded by "The Monkees?
Posted by: The truth, Walter played with the NYR&SR only on their '92 tour. He was not a member in '90 or '91 when they did selected gigs including the ones at the Beacon. I think Mary Mary was originally done by the Paul Butterfield Blues Band. No, it was never released on any CD or single. The '92 version also had Chuck Jackson as the "token" old R&B singer, replacing Charles Brown who was on the CD.
Posted by: mike, Regarding the New York Rock and Soul Revue: When did Walter join? Was it after the recording and release of the New York Rock and Soul Revue CD? Who originally sang "Mary Mary"? That's the song I remember being covered by Walter. Was it released as a bonus track to 11 Tracks of Whack anywhere like "Medical Science" was? Was anyone else new to the Summer 1992 edition of the NYRS Revue besides Walter?
Posted by: Bob, It was five years ago today that Pan Am flight 800 exploded and crashed off the coast of Long Island. Wayne Shorter's family was on that flight and perished as I recall. How an artist carries on after that is something else. Wayne contributed that great solo to the title track from Aja and is also lengendary in so many other ways. It must have been so exciting for Becker and Fagen to have Shorter in the studio for that one.
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, W1P..aHHH,it all makes perfect sense now! SFB 8/11..NIIIIICEE!
Posted by: W1P, Lost AngelesMr. Sticks, Larry, Peter Criss, dude, the LA gathering to which Hoops refers IS the SFB 8/11 show at Paladino's. They told you to come but you were already there. you, angel, steeveedan (who obviously is being beaten by his wife) and I at least will probably be there. I simply was trying to drum up any other SoCals who might want to turn that night into a "mini-Dan fest" It occurs to me that Paige and JW Malibu might be prime candidates for participation. But, as Camper Van Beethoven says in The Ambiguity Song "everything Seems to be up in the air at this time"
Posted by: Gina, Radio Daze MountainHowdy, neurosis cured so no counting although i believe this must be 17 or so? Before i kick this as a lazy afternoon preparing myself for the Jane Monheit gig in Würselen, Germany tonight, i would like to hand this link to dutch jazz programs .. it is all written in dutch but it's not that difficult to decipher when, what time .. 23.00-24.00 central european time is 9 hours or 6 hours earlier depending on where you live in the USA!
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, Once you know when and where a danfest in Los Angeles is to be happenin,How about the Steely Fan Band on hand for some LIVE entertainment..,hmmmmm?!
Posted by: hoops, The Raleigh Danfest sounds great; on top of that, be aware that Dan Fan gatherings are also in the works for the MPP (Baltimore-DC) and LA area; Dallas remains pretty active as well.
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Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, ole....the weekend of the 18th works best for us, however....Opti has us tentatively scheduled to go to Charleston, WV to the Highland Games/Celtic Music Festival that weekend....I'm working the weekend before and the weekend after so it's the 18th or nothing for us....there may be a change in plans and we may be able to attend....will keep you advised....sounds like a blast! Would love to work some birding in at some point too!
Posted by: Bob, The Dylan album is due about Sept 11.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Yehaw!
Posted by: cara mia, Outer Banks bound from HillbillylandOle and any festers for Carolina on the 18th of August.
Posted by: oleander, announcing....The Outer Banks DanFest
Posted by: oleander, more bob! must have more!bob--great post! Thanx for the tip. When does it come out?
Posted by: Igor, lurkerville,PAHoops!
Posted by: bob, Dylan has influenced every musician including, of course, Steely Dan. But above all else, the big Dan connection is quality music. Like SD and 2vN, it was gratifying to see Dylan win Grammys for "Time Out of Mind" (coindentally Dan , not tangentially Dan) and now comes word of a surprise new Dylan album, "Love & Theft" which he was secretly recording during his 60th birthday last May. The album features Dylan on piano a lot and also focuses on 12-bar blues. If I remember correctly, in Fagen and Bernhardt's 1993 piano video from homespun, they discuss 12 bar blues influence in SD songs. But what got me thinking "Steely Dan" today when I read the USA Today article on Bob was, "A lot of people aren't being served by the music they hear today, and this is the kind of record people are hungry for." (comment by Columbia Records exec.)
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, still at workIn an attempt, however vain, to bring the intriguing (really, not kidding) text below on Chinese dining practices, I would like to ask: Did Walter/Donald spend time in the "Orient" (can I still say that?) - they have so many songs with strong asian influences (duh, yeah I know), it's hard to believe that they are there because WB/DF are just well read or, god help us, from Walter living in Hawaii (which, from a chronolgy of their addresses, wouldn't make sense anyway)[did i tell you my old neighbor in Belmont lived down the street from WB in Hawaii - yes on the backyard stories - lol!]....anyway: when I was in Japan, I heard the rhythms of AJA running through my head, especially in Tokyo, and the throngs of Japanese visiting temples and shrines the way we go "malling" was a vision of Bodhisattva (I actually saw that god, cast in gold, spectacular, I will never forget it!) - so, they slurp in Japan too and if you order soup and don't slurp, they think you don't like it and in finer japanese restaurants the soup chef is right in the dining area, not to show off how great he is with knives, but to make sure your soup is beyond piping hot when it comes to your table - eating in Japan is like opening a fine present every day made just for you...
Posted by: Cringemaker, Berkeley, CAI phoned the county courthouse in response to my jury summons, hoping to be called upon, to do my civic duty. I planned to listen to 3rd World Man a zillion times and work on my deconstruction and interpretation as I waited to be called to a courtroom. Alas, I phoned in again after 11am & learned that I have successfully fulfilled my civic duty. What a ripoff! Isn't it my right as an American citizen to serve my peers in the operation of our system of justice, get paid by my benevolent public employer, and simultaneously deconstruct Steely Dan lyrics?
Posted by: Jerr, Hey "Leopold"
Posted by: edbeatty, Home at lastHey,
Posted by: Rose Darlin', DallasI love the "Tiffany" blue ... however, this place is only slightly less scary than the yellow one.
Posted by: majordudette, i posted this on the yellow site too but everyone was too busy discussing the chinese and their eating habits...
Posted by: Steve, B-townI gotta know how the Roxy Music show was?!
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @workJK - I have a tape of Becker/Fagen The Early Years and I must admit, it IS representative of early works - wouldn't most of us wince at the work we did early in our careers? mine was drafting construction details over and over and over....yipes, no thanks!
Posted by: G., Cyberspacewell, i feel so lame now presenting info when THE END almost knock on the door .. still, nice to roam through pictures of contemporary musicians and manage to see a familiar american face???
Posted by: Gina, North Sea JazzJazz on dutch classical station ... same radiowereld link, pick Radio 4 ..
Posted by: Gina, North Sea Jazzanother webstation ..
Posted by: Mike, Gina, Thanks for the link to the North Sea Jazz Festival. It's like being there without paying $800 in air fare.
Posted by: Gina, North Sea WebRadioShould anyone be interested to tune in to North Sea LIVE, just use this link, scroll down to LIVE RADIO, find Radio West (RA) on the right and RealPlayer will make it real for you ..
Posted by: Gina, Sun MountainWell Peter from the UK, never say the twelfth of never!! Now we are all connected via digital cyberspeedways, it's a lot easier to tune in, you know. So what if we got a lot of catching up to do .. i know since i frequented the american guestbooks and followed threads and links given i found a great deal of information i realized i would normally not have had access to! So don't be blue? Or is blue the word these days :-)?
Posted by: Peter Lawson, London, UKDon't agree that Aja is too polished. The licks, breaks and bridges are too snaking, lithe and immediate for it to be tarred with any brush of gloss or over-production. Take the point fully, though, about TRS's acid. Sublime album for sure, but back to my first point, if anything, I find the vocal harmonies on Altamira just that bit overcooked, Doobies' 70s.
Posted by: Mr Chow, OzAll - Speaking of "Black Friday", The Sydney Morning Herald printed a brilliant photo last Wednesday on the fromt page - Kangaroo's hopping along on some property in Musswellbrook!! I have kept this particular picture and story details for anyone who would like to have this perculiar piece of Steely Dan paraphenalia sent to them for their collection. You cant get a more appropriate photo to match the line from the song (at least by accident like this photo was)- the story was about a huge open-cut coal mine that is planned for the area. Anyone who would like this amazing piece of photography, drop me a line and I'll send it and the story to you.
Posted by: Robert Ross, conedmog-- please don't lump the rest of us in with jk.
Posted by: W1P, Los AngelesJust a note to say HELLO everyone. Looks like another mini-Danfest is brewing on 8/11 in Tarzana, CA which will include at least me, angel and Steeveedan (the handle stealer). It should be a fun evening. BTW, Pete, I've been under water and hope to soon review the LBB vid.
Posted by: Mean Old Grandpa, disbelief in dandomWe-ell excuuuse me. I just felt a little humility was in order considering statements such as this:
Posted by: hoops, jk’s track: I agree with Oleander’s remarks. jk, stop the immodesty already, for shure--don’t let a couple of curmudgeons detract from the rest of us who dig your stuff. For the first few days I had the Technicolor Motorhome 2000 CD, I made a point of playing it without looking at the credits. I wanted to guess who was performing. (I previously heard Malcolm Hunter and David Moore’s songs so I knew those.) Without knowing who was who, jk’s was one of the standouts. I also thought the lead on it was by some guy who sounded 20 years old--damn great!
Posted by: DrMu, deep in the heat of TexasLeo: The only documentation I've seen for guitarist on Black Friday is at the Tomas Broberg site (U know the URL anyway) that credits Walter. Of course, musican credits for KL are for the entire album. While the solo sounds a bit like Rick Derringer, the 1:50-1:54 part of the solo seems to be signature Walter. It's a little too bluesy to be Carlton and obviously too distorted to be Dias or Parks. Walter has taken on a lot of different sounds over the years from Bad Sneakers to I Got the News to Josie to Snowbound to West of Hollywood...
Posted by: Robert Ross, Hartfordjk-- i totally disagree with you on the song "the royal scam" it's a master piece. i believe it's one of the coolest songs the boys have ever written! when they played it live it sent chills up my spine.
Posted by: Gina, Left Bank of the Sun Mountain River11 ships just passed in the night, or did 11 nights pass, hm .. Howdy Mr. Chow, i was looking for other albums i like 100%. Numerous are perhaps trigger-ready if something was to jog the memory. Something to occur in offline time, i guess! If i am not mistaking, some Cool Blue Smog appeared here and there, most likely it's just the way guys express their sentiments or thoughts, right? And Leopold seems quite disgruntled about the fact SD not up for a tour whilst in his opinion they should make the Grammy and Berklee honors work some more .. Hm. I'd rather have them work on another nice project and new songs. It would be too soon now, wouldn't it? If there is another live tour there should at least be a new album to present. And what about finding musicians to take the tour with them? If they don't round up the same party .. I did like the voices of the tour 2000 Babe Choir better than the choir on AIA. In fact it was the sole thing annoying me some on AIA. The background choir. Still feel it's a pity they won't release a live CD on the tour 2000. If only because of this particular group of musicians together. Oh yes. Enjoyed some High Tea yesterday when suddenly a bartender turned the volume up and we could all enjoy, if even so sampled, the rhythmic sounds to Do It Again. It's always magic to hear ..
Posted by: Q, Kinky, you make me feel SPECIAL too!
Posted by: oleander, low postLet's see.
Posted by: Mr Chow, OzGina - I have to add my agreement with you over the quality of "The Royal Scam". The album encapsulates Steely Dan for me - and yes, it was the first album I heard of theirs as well - and when I heard it, I was hooked, and have been ever since. Each album seems to have its own feel and good tracks, but I would have to say that only "The Royal Scam" has 100% of its tracks up there in the "sublime" area. Because every track is so brilliant, and well arranged in terms of which track follows which, the album itself comes together a little better than the others. I'm no doubt influenced by the fact that I heard this album first (not including the hits from "Can't Buy A Thrill"). Apart from "Can't By A Thrill" which as we know was an incredible debut, working backwards from "The Royal Scam" to discover the earlier albums didn't quite capture the brilliance of the 1976 album. I'm not taking anything from "Countdown" etc, it's just that for me, the peak of the rise was "Scam". Even the session players seemed to have brought out their best for this album - take Larry Carlton for example. "Aja" and most of "Gaucho" maintained the brilliance.
Posted by: Bass Player Magazine,
Posted by: Leopold, Jk, I like your song. Let's face it, that compilation sucked, but your's was one of the best on there.
Posted by: jk, 1. clearly mine is the worst song on the motohome. i asked jw not to put it on if it didn't measure up. he did anyway. glad you are sparing yourself the agony of listening to it.
Posted by: Mean Old Grandpa, warped with cocaineThe great smooth-jazz-new-age-atmospheric-dead-air composer has spoken. does MOG have to take this insult to his musical heroes lying down like the rest of the herd. Never!
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Location: If I was up your arse you'd knoww itLive Steely Dan CD's {hoopsie booties}, indeed. MOD's favorite is Kansas City 12/72!
Posted by: Q, Snob2 to Snob1, Snnob 2 to Snob1, I need your address - the clouds have lifted!
Posted by: Chips, Ramones site opened windowjk, didn't I see you at the Ramones site this morning?
Posted by: jk, guess you guys have been having your say about rs. i haven't bothered to read them because i am snob #1. don't realy care what you think. it has never been the first cd that comes to mind when i think of sd. curious, i wonder why. lets that a look shall we.
Posted by: Gina, Snob Valley?There are 10 easy ways to get lost in the maze of a dictionary. Since Sean and MajorDudette boldy dare to wear the Quality Snob tag, i looked the word up in my Oxford dictionary and it has another view on things than his pal Webster:
Posted by: Steveedan, Los Angeles, CaliforniaTo Q -
Posted by: Shagadelicbaby, snob me, baby !
Posted by: majordudette, Wayland, MA (west of Boston)Sean- Yeah, I had some of those experiences as well. I'm a quality music snob, damn straight.
Posted by: Q, Kinky, it's been so long, I can't contain myself!
Posted by: Q, And, yes Kinky, he is/was so hands on that he is not their mgr anymore - you got that one too without knowing it...
Posted by: Q, Hutch, your a good man.
Posted by: Gina, Sun MountainSomewhat after noon central european time. Nine Banyan Tree Bows to Jim#. Ouch, thanks. Your advice works, i do enjoy this Cool Blue! And great to read others singing praise on Royal Scam, Paige, Dr.Mu. Ah, no devil's advocate here doc Mu. You hit it where it counts! Exactly. The "every men (and woman) for him(her)self" is what i also experienced during the LIVE Dan in Ahoy and what made my eardrums almost implode. But imagine Joe's Garage where youngsters create punk without knowing because they all want to be heard, by themselves in the first place. Ain't it great grown musicians get to play the same way and manage to create this vibrant source of energy in which the outcome of their skills sound as a whole?
Posted by: Robert Ross, st. johns sean-- excellent post! i hope you come back here.
Posted by: DrMu, in the corner of my eyeThere's some thought (see Oleander's Fever Dreams) that "Rudy's" in Black Cow refers directly or indirectly to the great Rudy van Gelder's studio. The person running around is not a lover, but a wayward musician caught in the bop drug vortex. Well, I got the news - not only is the man still alive, maybe he is Immortal also! He's back: re-mastering now some of the great Blue Note recordings! Here's a clip:
Posted by: Blaise, right hereWell looky here... Q is vocal now all of a sudden and so is this other guy. Jim writes more than five lines too. This page is a revelation so far, I must admit. Man, I never thought Clas was THAT scary.
Posted by: Sean, Quincy, Mass.I haven't posted to a guestbook in ages. But who's not afraid to try new things?
Posted by: Kinky, I don't know if it was my imagination or what, but I was driving by this low-rent housing project in Yonkers the other day, and I could have sworn I saw Gary Katz walking out and towards some old beeter van. Does anyone know if he's still in Scarsdale? Where the hell is he?
Posted by: Jim#, Let me embellish, if I may, the preceeding from Gina (the one of longevity, one eternal flame of dandom) and Paige (whose writings I seem to warm to more with each passing post).
Posted by: Paige, Santa BarbaraGina...
Posted by: Gina, Near distant lights from across the bayThere is no track numero 8 on the Gaucho album. This makes no sense ofcourse. It's just this new neurotic habit to count the times I verb-a-use this Cool Blue guestbook. Not that I have forgotten about the Pale Yellow when the times there were good! North Sea Jazz is in its 26 years of existence completely SOLD OUT in advance. I'm not going. Too many people around for me to fully enjoy the music. Had a tough time at first dealing with the crowd in Rotterdam Ahoy when Steely Dan was there, for at first I was real up close to the stage. Too close for comfort, got to love the person who created this choice of words to suit this idea by the way! And about the music .. To me it was perfectly clear the music of Steely Dan LIVE is fusion. NOT the word fusion used for the jazz-rock thang, but fusion as in this melting pot of both a variety in styles as well as the musicians participating being able to explore any boundaries given. If there were any. Because the choice of musicians as well as the perfectly blending voices of the Babe Choir certified this huge space to freewheel and upload whatever the vibes offered. At times it felt as if there was this nuclear explosion on the verge of NOT happening. Like there would be no end in exploring the options of how to play the songs. That's one of the things that stuck in my head afterwards. The brilliance and space of these Steely Dan compositions. You can go all directions with it.
Posted by: Q, I think I owe Hutch a big apology...but I'm not sure yet...
Posted by: Q, Robert, last word on this - Ironically I agree with your broadest point - I agree that virtually all of the Dan tunes should be able to played live (and should be!) - I'm even in the camp that says they ought to do a (mini)tour where they strive to do them dead on to the studio versions, even to the point of bringing in as many of the original players as possible/practicle/neccessary. Other bands who play highly sophisticated and complex music have pulled it off although usually requiring sampling gear. DF/WB have expressed that they are not interested in "simply reproducing the studio cuts", but when a band is THE quintessential studio band it would seem to be very cool to experience that live. The Sony Studios experience was VERY close if not filled the bill.
Posted by: Q, Hutch, let me put it into perspective.
Posted by: angel, Just read today's Digest. So JK, what is the deal with the bandaids?
Posted by: Hutch, Razor Boy - Those are two of my favorite tracks on Kama as well.
Posted by: Razor Boy, WI Hey there everybody. It's been ages since I've posted. I just have to support Hoops! and at least put something up here. I've been really getting into Kamakiriad the last month or so. It's sad and I don't like saying it but it was just last fall when I finally got it and it was mainly just for collective purpose. I had never really gotten into it. Well now I can't keep it out of my cd player. My current fav is Florida Room. It sounds like smooth jazz on steroids. Thats just my opinion though. It really swings, which leads me to #2, Springtime. After the intro it seriously smokes. I've been kicking myself for not getting it sooner.
Posted by: majordudette, Pop Question: Whats your favorite Steely Dan song and why?
Posted by: Robert, Hartfordhutch- thanks for the complement!
Posted by: David W. Handy, Atlanta, GeorgiaRegarding my admiration and respect for Dr.'s Becker and Fagen, "My Rival, Show Me My Rival"
Posted by: Gina, Sun MountainHowdy Dirk, it's on dutch radio and one of the best stations for all kinds of news and music! Chris Potter will be playing Saturday the 14th, North Sea Jazz Festival.
Posted by: Gina, Peas MountainThis seventh wave feels like i am crashing a Danparty of Babylonic Allure, although it ain't the word to use. Hutch! You use a Webster, i am tight with my Oxford buddy who also shows courtesy to americanized words. In this particular Danfan wave however it is not a dictionary explaining what happened here. From my Sun Mountain view ofcourse! Howdy mr Ross, Mean Old Daddy (with or without the cane i wonder?) and jk (you were a complete stranger to me until your song appeared on the Banyan Trees 2000 Compilation and you vanished again like in thin air, re-surfaced here on the Cool Blue so in a way you now shed some light on your musical background and such) i really believe you mistook or misinterpreted KD's use of the word "creepy" in regards to the story mr Pete Fogel told us and jk's reaction. Mighty nice story indeed by the way :-) We all know the meaning of the word "creepy" when we look it up in the dictionary. But nowadays even words like "bad" are being used like meaning the total opposite if it. So what guarantees we read it loud and clear? Can be confusing, but a little gut feeling or any similar vibe antenna might make the difference, i suppose!
Posted by: Dirk, Duesseldorf, GermanyThere is a nearly one hour (!) Real Player stream of a concert
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, Hello!
Posted by: Hutch, Robert - Maybe this will help a bit in putting things into perspective:
Posted by: Steveedan, Los Angeles, Calif.Good evening Dan Fans !!!
Posted by: Robert Ross, CT!! (you happy?)Q- please tell me what other songs steely dan have played live on the last four tours that they "have butchered". please, i'm dying to know! also, please show me where df, wb, craig fruin (who is he?) and roger said that negative girl couldn't be played well live. please back this up Q.
Posted by: majordudette, GOD I LOVE STEELY DAN!!! THEY ROCK!!! (not to get me started on "god" topics, it's just an expression...)
Posted by: Quentin, Robert, actually, I think "ephemeral" is the better term for "Neg".
Posted by: Q, Robert, all I can say is that if they did play "Neg" live and butched it like so many other live renderings it would be blasphemous. Any song can be played live, it's a matter of what you can do with it(arrangement,etc.) and what the results are. Also acoustics DO matter for certain tunes - "Neg" is a very musically understated and delicate song.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, too sexy for this boardWait a minute JK! do not lump me in with that weasel Dwyer! MOD is talking Dan here. MOD's not glorifying some vain, over-paid freaks who put a ball through a hoop (not you Hoopsie). Kelli is obviously stupid, taking your tribute and calling it freaky. MOD'll tell you what is creepy: a guy with a woman's name; that's creepy. Pete sounds like a facinating guy. Give us more Pete!!!!
Posted by: jk, kelly - when did reporting something (99% of which was true but condensed like a cop show - poetic licence)about a man i respect, start being creepy? you and your mod friend should post on the other guest book. at least i ain't wasting space with nba shit!
Posted by: Robert Ross, Hartford, Ct.First of all, I want to apologize for calling MOD a MOdick. He just knows how to get under my skin. I don't want ruin this new guest book with stupid name calling. sorry hoops.
Posted by: DrMu, sizzlin' steamy TexasKelly: You have learned well Grasshopper. As I thought, Carlton is ringin' the bell in the left channel. Your suggestion as to the authors of the solo go hand in hand with the structure
Posted by: Kelly Dwyer, On the DunesHey there!
Posted by: Q, Yo, Robert Ross of CT - I find myself in the somewhat odd position of agreeing with MOD!
Posted by: DrMu, hot and moist Texasangel: we're on the right track now. Thanks for your input. Gotta get that DVD played and Making of Aja DVD, not necessarily in tha order.
Posted by: Robert Ross, Ct.!!!!!!mean old dick- listen, i'm not going to argue with you. donald sings negative girl like a wimp and the song belongs on another album. if it was the best song on 2AN why didn't they play it live? because it would have put everybody to sleep.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, Where G's next's liveBoobby Rossi - Negative Girl may be the best song on the CD! Your listening habits are perfect for the Zappa tune, "Show me Your Thumb if You're Dumb." There are two correct ways to abbreviate Connecticut. CT and Conn., not Ct.
Posted by: angel, Dr. Mu I think you can find out some of the answers to your questions in Making Aja. Donald and Walter do a bit of "that's Denny, that's Me" stuff in the Aja segment. Denny also sheds some light on the whole thing. I can't get to the VCR right now (always hard to get the TV during the day, at this house). I might be wrong, but I go with the solo at 4:25 to 4:41 (where Wayne Shorter takes over)as being done by Walter. It sounds more Hawaiian to me, but I could be wrong.
Posted by: DrMu, left of the Rio GrandeForgive me for a bit of a cross-post. On the title track from Aja Larry Carton, Walter Becker, and Denny Dias are given credit for guitar. I hear LC lurking in the left chanel with tasty jazz rhythm accents. The Aja guitar solo starting at the 3:08 mark. I could be wrong, but the first half sounds like Dias in sections and the second half more like Carlton in style. However, there's too much finger sliding and string bending in places to be Dias, and Carlton could not resist a little more melodramatic bending and really stretching out a couple of notes - doesn't sound like a Fender either. The real clue is that the solo is a montage of 9 maybe 10 punch-ins. Dias can take a run a long way (The YGTII solo might be 2 segments at most). So I'm going with Walter, who has demonstrated an uncanny ability to be able to play well in a number of styles, but his MO is numerous punch-ins. The quick run fron 3:42-3:44 could be Dias, perhaps 3:18-3:25. I'd be interested to hear other takes on this...
Posted by: Mr Chow, @ homeMu; Lisa G, Major Dudette, Bob, jk et al. Thanks for the comments Great reviews.
Posted by: Aussie, remote situsQ: Saw your query in Hoops' blue denim leafs regarding King Crimson in Florida. And yes, you lucky dog. Follow the following e-trail for venue and date detail:
Posted by: Q, maybe Pete or kinky have insight into this question.
Posted by: Q, Today is my first look at the X-GBook again, hmmm, the rules seem to apply to some more than others. An experiment like Animal Farm...?
Posted by: jk, drinkin early today!
Posted by: jk, 2vn review
Posted by: jk, 2vn review
Posted by: Robert Ross, Hartford, Ct.
Posted by: jk, hi pete, i met you at the southampton high school gig and i thought that you were way cool and very knowledgeable about sd. imaging - you almost didn't make it there 'cause your ride was a dumbass and he got lost. i remember gaucho honeymoon was there.
Posted by: Lisa G, oh, you knowHi good Dr. from where all my ex's live- RE: a few thoughts on TvN
Posted by: DrMu, scorching hot TexasSteely Dan recordings have always been some mix of jazz, rock, R&B, and or blues. It seems to me that TvN has a range of mixes but the primary hybrid seems 50s and early 60s bop with an R&B rhythm section. The rhythm section that TvN most seems to emulate is the super tight Stax rhythm section, except mixed up a little higher like in the Motwon recordings. Listen to Sam and Cooke (ex. Soul Man) or Aretha and you'll hear Donald Duck Dunn and the gang laying it down. Dan's recent live performances capture the same spirit, or is it vice-versa? The horn sound and charts on TvN and the live performances resmble more Miles, and Joe Henderson, or even Bird than Aja which is steeped in LA jazz.
Posted by: majordudette, mc- thanks for shedding some light on that. yes, *definately* not up to par but fun nonetheless.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, in awePete - thank you for sharing that story here, that is one of the best posted stories I have seen on any book - please drop some more, what a treat for us! - I have the Spellbound release so I will play it tonight when I get home and I am a big michael franks fan, I have almost all his releases - WOW, you are a guy that knows how to be in the right place at the right time - thanks again!
Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, Major Dudette.....I meant to say in the last post that the Steely Dan cd you got from Best Buy has been repackaged and renamed about a dozen different times over the years. I bought one at Best Buy a few years ago.....it's kinda cool to hear some of the songs that were eventually re-recorded (Brooklyn comes to mind) and to hear some that never made the light of day....this kind of follows the Kenny Vance thread that's been going on here.....pre-Steely Dan songs written by and demoed by Walter and Donald....cool to listen to and great for historical reference but definately *not* up to Steely Dan's par.
Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, Pete....very cool stories, thanks for sharing....I met you at the Raleigh show last year and you really impressed me with how enthusiastic about the music you were and how you were willing to talk to a perfect stranger about Steely Dan and things going on with the tour.....I'm sure you already know it but I've gotta say it anyway, you've got a great sense of timing! Feel free to share those stories any time....very enjoyable reading!
Posted by: majordudette, sameI was in Best Buy today checkin' out cd's and I spotted "The Steely Dan Collection." I immeadiatly bought it and am listening to it right now to find an odd collection of early recordings and other such things unreleased. Am I behind the times? Is there anyone else who hadn't heard of this?
Posted by: Pete, Speaking of the Crusaders.... I ran into Joe Sample the other day on the street and he invited me down to see his show at the Blue Note. After the show we went into his dressing room to hang for a bit and started rehashing stories. I first met Joe in 1987 when I was bartending at the Mayflower Hotel in New York City. The first night I met him, I didn't recognize him. We talked a little bit (nothing about music), then he asked me for his check. When I punched in his room number, the name Joe Sample came up on the screen. I turned around and said "You're Joe Sample?" I proceeded to tell him what a big fan I was, that I had all the Crusader albums and loved his work with Steely Dan. After he went up to his room, I saw that he had left a crumpled up envelope on the bar. The Mayflower at the time was a major movie/rock & roll hotel and these people were always leaving things at the bar (usually drugs), so I fugured I'd look in the envelope just in case. When I opened it, I found 15 $100 bills. I called up to his room and said "Joe, did you forget something at the bar?" He said no and paused, then he said, "Holy shit! I forgot my envelope!" He came downstairs and I gave him the envelope. He was so appreciative of what I had done, he didn't know how to thank me. "Can I take you out to dinner? What can I do for you? Anything!" I basically told him that I enjoyed his music so much, there was no need for him to do anything. I jokingly said that if it had been some heavy metal band, I would have kept the money.
Posted by: Lisa G, Way deepMr. Chow-I, too feel that WOH is very repetitive. Not my favorite, either. In fact the extended sax solo and the lyrics are the best things on the whole track. I can't get over the musically weak bridge--sounds as if they had no other recourse so they just wrote anything. Maybe a case when lyrics drove the melody. I understand that the tune started out with another groove--reggae perhaps. Don't remember where I read that.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, please note different email addressDanFan & Paige - i thought time out of mind was about a christian revival scene myself until i read the drug reference and thought, "oh well yeah, i guess that's it" - maybe it's the double-edged rod serling-like lyric writing they have going there....
Posted by: Mr Chow, OzRobert Ross & Major Dudette - Thanks for your feedback.
Posted by: Gina, Sunrose MountainLisaG, there was no four it went up in fireworks smoke yesterday :-)
Posted by: Robert Ross, you know by nowCraig- yeah, thanks for the joe henderson link. the article didn't mention it, but wasn't joe one of the original members of the crusaders along with joe sample?
Posted by: DrMu, heart of TexasGeorge Cukor was the director of Gaslight, the inspiration for Gaslighting Abbie. It looks a lot like the Hitchcock classic Rebecca. Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, and Angela Lansbury garnered Oscars. I think Joseph Cotten was in Gaslight as well.
Posted by: Lisa G, in an adjustable chairHank-happened to be watching the "Obsolete" ep of TZ, as well. Burgess Meredith was the man. In fact, he's been the man all day, pretty much. (Guess Serling had some kind of exteneded contract with him.) TZ was certainly genius in a time when few things in the entertainment world were, well bizarre.
Posted by: jk, the sky lab, nibirui am optimistic that we can get some dan music this year. is another live CD out of the question? will they rush the joni cd out for christmas? will mr k vance give us a gift?
Posted by: Craig, On the Mason-DixonI concur with Hank that indeed the Twilight Zone, not to mention Hitchcock, really seem connected on some level with Steely Dan. They all have that weird twist of consiousness and warped sense to them that borders on surreal and thrilling all at once.
Posted by: Hank Silvers, going it aloneOn my way somewhere else this morning, I channel-surfed to the Sci-Fi Channel, saw a black-and-white show, and stopped.
Posted by: Gina, The Yellow GB ArchivesMay the fifth be swift!
Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, hoops! thanks for the explanation.
Posted by: DrMu, heart of TexasJoe Henderson released a number of well-respected albums in the 60s including Page One, Our Thing, Inner Urge, Mode for Joe, and The Kicker. inte the 90's Joe Henderson had a comeback with tributes to Billy Strayhorn (Lush Life) and Miles Davis (So Near, So Far) for which he won a Grammy (maybe more?). I really like Our Thing (1963) which ranges from hard-ish bop to some Horace Silver-sounding recordings like "Escapade" and "Back Road." Some other DanFans out there might dig Our Thing as well as the rest of his efforts...
Posted by: hoops, The Field Lab (Chicago)Happy 4th everyone;
Posted by: Lisa G, chair that swivelsCraig, thanks for the link to Henderson's obit.
Posted by: Lisa G, chair on wheelsI always thought that Joe Henderson did not get into the "mainstream" until well into his career. Yet, he was much appreciated by colleagues from the start. I may be wrong, but I have seen that info. before.
Posted by: Craig, This has been a bad month for music. First John Lee. Now Chet Atkins and Joe Henderson. Here is a link to Joe's obit.
Posted by: Paige, Santa BarbaraHello All:
Posted by: md,
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Posted by: Debbie, Dallas, TexasGina- I loved Chet as well! There was a special here in the states back in the mid-80's on HBO called Cinemax Sessions: "A Session With Chet Atkins Certified Guitar Player" A bunch of special guests coming out and playing with and paying tribute to Chet. It was one of the best music specials I've ever seen. Oh yeah, I love RLJ to!
Posted by: majordudette, in a cold dark place w/loud muzacmidnite cruiser- I checked out your page. That is dirty and lowdown. How could you ever think about posting something like that in the EGB!? So many bootlegs and horrid, horrid pictures...I'm ashamed.
Posted by: Mr.Sticks, Newport Beach,Ca.Happy 4th of July Everyone!
Posted by: Gina, Sunset MountainThird time lucky or three's a crowd?
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, still at workLisa G - lol - actually, I was thinking he reminded me of David Palmer - but I think with a little help, they got something going there.....
Posted by: Lisa G, chairRe: Seventh Triangle
Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, Majordudette....yeah, bootleg birdies. *hehehe*
Posted by: majordudette, MC- What did your site have on it? Bootlegs, huh?
Posted by: Robert Ross, Hartford, Ct.mean old daddy- You're so mean you old fart!
Posted by: Midnite Cruiser, I guess I made the censorship list.....a post to my new birds page was removed.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, workhey, i just got a great cd in the mail yesterday from a group called "the seventh triangle" - they are, dare i post, a very much steely dan influenced band - here's their site, they have clip links to check it out your self:
Posted by: majordudette, @my computerMr. Chow- I would have to say the West of Hollywood is pretty jazzy simply because of the nice sax solo. I have a friend who listens only to jazz and the 2vn cd and his fave is that song.
Posted by: oleander, low postLG & Pete--bodacious riffage.
Posted by: Rob, Read an article where they call a band "the new U2". In all my years as a Dan Devotee, I've never heard Steely Dan described as "the new <whatevah>." Of course, I have heard it the other way around, bands called "the new Steely Dan." But those quotes have never been right. Also it says a lot about Steely Dan when they are referenced in relation to Beat poets, Lenny Bruce, the great jazzers.
Posted by: Bootman 99, NYCToo bad I missed the Pevar show. Facey Jones rocks. $3.00 for anyone what I am talking about.
Posted by: Chips64, @the pet cemetaryYes, that's right - discussion about gigs you are playing in as well as ones you have been to as well as steely dan and a calendar of concerts to boot - come over if you have received your invite! - not meant as competition but a different format!
Posted by: Lovebugsy, Under your skinI think Chip64 just started the RED guestbook. The color of L O V E.
Posted by: Aja, Hello everyone!
Posted by: Lisa G, Extremely East of HollywoodBelly laughs for a swami.
Posted by: Pete, What a relief! I just spoke to Tom and he's cool with me now. Kenny didn't mind once he found out Lisa's last name was also G.
Posted by: Pete, MOD: Not only did Lisa not use my bass player because I got back to her too late, but now Tom Barney won't talk to me because he had already cancelled his rehearsal with Kenny G to do the gig.
Posted by: Lisa G, @ the edge of madnesslp-the gig went ok. The guy we had filling in knew most of the tunes. Thanks, MOD, for providing the color on my gig. So glad you could be there. MOD wasn't very comfortable transposing most of the regular R & B crap we do into the keys we needed, so I fed him the changes to get him started. Some of the tunes he didn't know were a little scary, but we got through with sketches and charts. MOD really should learn to play flats, and maybe next time he'd be working on a Saturday night. Can't believe we got through. Also, we had a trumpet sub and our regular percussion guy was out with the second in his place. All in all, 5/8 of the regular band was there. LONG NIGHT. Thanks for asking, lp.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, -Hey Robert Ross. You are about as hip as Betsey Ross.
Posted by: Mean Old Daddy, OOH JK - You're such a big shot! MOD won't hold his breath.
Posted by: Hutch, On the changer now:
Posted by: jk, on the changer. steely: irvine 94, mountainview 2000, Sons of the beach (jones beach 7/2000), Fall of 92 (sadly still relevant today)(studio b-side), cpr - just like gravity, hal blaine - duces, t's roadsters and drums, love - forever changes, percy hill - color in bloom, ray mason- when the clowns work is over, pat metheny - tell her you saw me (live 93).
Posted by: Robert Ross, HartfordMr. Chow- I believe you answered your own question. "Negative Girl" without a doubt is the jazziest song on 2AN. I think that's quite obvious...at least to me.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, bostonLisa G, please tell us how the gig went!
Posted by: Mr Chow, In the restaurantangel - excellent. I too never skip Glamour Profession. Indeed I repeat it about 3 or 4 times. Any chance of a Director's Cut guys?
Posted by: angel, Los Angeles, CAHello one and all....
Posted by: oleander, aren't you gladLou C--Well, I can't help it if you don't know a bird from the broad side of a barn. Anyway, there's a Steely link: "Ornithology" was performed by "Parker's Band."
Posted by: William, jk- Way to go big guy! Keep the pressure on. Who knows, maybe pretty soon we'll have Sun Mountain Part II
Posted by: jk, STOP THE PRESSES - THIS JUST INI JUST GOT THIS. BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU FOLKS SHOULD STOP SENDING EMAILS TO KENNY!
Posted by: jk, sorry the posts were not showing - even when i refeshed.i did get my email to kenny off though.
Posted by: jk, nibirian outpost delta<<<you ask - nibiru? does this mean that you and the rest of the annunaki only come around here every 3600 years or so? >>>
Posted by: Pete, Lisa G: Anytime. I'm glad it worked out.
Posted by: Moonflower, Good Morning 'Dan Fans'...
Posted by: Hutch, mardukjk - Nibiru? Does this mean that you and the rest of the Anunaki only come around here every 3600 years or so?
Posted by: jk, nibiruhi
Posted by: Uridildo?, Naw... not my KinkyGreat stuff, after all...
Posted by: Mr Chow, Sydney, AustraliaHello Hoops et al,
Posted by: Lisa G, New JerseyPete, thanks again for your help!
Posted by: jeff, AUSTIN,TXWhats up with this? Why all the splintering???? latest q on who wants to be a mill. fagen and becker founding fathers of what rock band?? the stupid chick had to call and ask and even then was only 60% sure. not all of Austin is that way tehre really is intellegent life here. Please dont judge my fair city by that dingbat. what a zombie probably listen to 101x and or greenday.
Posted by: Paige, Santa BarbaraIn my 5 disc changer at this time:
Posted by: Steveedan, Los Angeles, CAIt looks like you are getting a grand reception on the "Experiment" Hoops. I hope that you will not have to yank people from this posting site, but maybe the mere threat of it will cause the less socially aware (or adept) posters to muster up a bit of respect and keep the flames in their broilers.
Posted by: Paige, Santa BarbaraNegGirl and Majordudette...on Weezer
Posted by: cobalt eldorado, MEAN OL MOTHER FUCKER: while i agree w. your sentiments re: the whole "blue v. yellow" / "censored v. free" issue, I don't think we should assume that hoops is in mortal combat w. the other gb -- he made it clear this was simply his experiment in , well, mr. rogersness. And I'm not being a smart ass there, hoops' heart is in the right place. There is a place for parallel universes, kids! This is simply the kinder & gentler one, and there have been good posts here. I'm just hoping that both will continue, and that the more free-wheeling version will remain active while this area remains as a sanctuary for those who'd prefer to be in a gentler realm....
Posted by: majordudette, BostonNegativeGirl- I really like it too. A LOT! They might be touring here in MA and if they do, I will definately go see them because I did catch them on SNL and they were awesome! My fave track on their cd would have to be #4, whatever it's called. My 5 year old cousin calls it the "yep, yep" song. =)