Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 23:33:49 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, suffering from tarantism

Gretchen-I learned a very valuable lesson many years ago about bringing people to concerts that you aren't sure they'll enjoy, and from that point on became a fairly frequent solo concert attendee (at least for some of the groups I like). This person I brought to a show did everything she could to let the rest of us know how unhappy she was, and actually was requesting that we leave early! UGH! And she wasn't even the one that drove! It has been very enjoyable to go alone and meet new people who are into the same kind of music I am. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't have a blast when I AM actually sharing the experience, but sometimes it is nicer to take the music in without the socializing. I guess it depends on your reasons for being at a show in the first place.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 23:07:25 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @home at last

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Steely%20Dan

Check it out Walter buys an UZI?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 22:47:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

TGirl - I know this game so well.

Your everlasting summer, you can see it fading fast.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 22:41:38 ET
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, Stargate

Eric, My brother and I have Dan lyric conversations all the time. We start with one line and go from there. It's a lot of fun, and we play till one of us runs out of lines finally.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 21:53:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

FanDanny: Did I say LA audiences are sophisticated along with cool, cooler and freezing cold? I should have. I bow to your N. California sophistication, although with the recall circus none of us look too good right now.

Aires White - wow, you are out there cyberwaif, burn on AJA, no?

And Laina - Delovely.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 20:40:58 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, At the axis of pain/pleasure shearing the arc of desire

Yeah, Raj... I'm with you on the discretionary call for what appears to be any of 3 or 4 tunes from EMG...so I'm all for both Gina and EMG in Concord.

I meenz weez jest uz sephistukatid up hear in NCal as y'all in la la...

dfd

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 20:38:20 ET
Posted by: Aries White, LA

Laina,

Glad to hear it. I will be on Walt's side of the house tomorrow night and was worried that it had been dropped.

And Rajah, anything particular you suggest we start burning at the first bar?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 20:31:01 ET
Posted by: Laina, feeling ...speshul.

Aries, I am *ahem* speshul. I forgot to put Godwhacker on there, and they certainly did play it.

Rajah, nuzzles back to you. I come in peace, so I'm not mad at you for your tastes. Skirts and heels are a good look.

Lainalove

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 20:23:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

Lainalove - beautiful alliteration on your moniker, nuzzles to your good taste. Wow, so, as the all-seeing Rajah suspected, it's how they feel on any particular night as to whether they play EMG or not. And what, pray, does this portend for the next two nights at Universal? They know the LA crowd is very discriminating and critical and persnickety so my crystal ball says they play it both nights, barring physical and vocal obstacles. But I really think the tune is hardest on Walt Weiskopf, not the ancient ones. Now Weiskopf was on that radio show last Thursday from San Diego and sounded fine, I don't think he's under the weather at all.

As for Gina, this is a what, a four minutes, tops, ditty? Herrington on the cleek and scratch, the horns must LOVE playing this song with those great runs all throughout. Don has to keep the energy up but there are no notes out of his register unlike Pixeleen, so I don't see the problem. I really have a gut feeling that they tailor their setlists to the relative sophistication of their audience evidenced by the best sets which were at Roseland.

Which mean, you LA faithful, we gotta rock that house from jumpstreet. Burn from the first bar tomorrow night, people.

And Laina - OK you win, "skirt" is a Jazz-Age reference to a lady who looks maaarvelous in a dress. Good gams. Shoot me, go ahead, cause I love a woman in a smokin skirt with strappy-ass heels.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 20:17:29 ET
Posted by: Aries White, LA

Laina,

No Godwhacker at SB?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 19:53:47 ET
Posted by: Laina, SLO

DFD, those question marks were actually written there. I don't know if that means that they didn't decide upon EMG until during the intermission, or if they decided it on the spot. But those marks were written there in someone's hand (as opposed to the rest which was typed). I'll also add that the two question marks are written differently, aside from one being upside-down. I sure hope Meali didn't sneak into the show and take his own pen to the setlist...lol.

**upon further inspection, I see that I am holding in my hand a *copy* of the original setlist that had the handwritten marks on it. This copy I received from a nice crew guy who was breakin' the stage down after the show, and removed the list from off the the stage floor behind a small amp.**

WhaddIsay, Rajah, WhaddIsayyy? *bats lashes*

Lainalove

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 18:49:29 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, At the axis of pain/pleasure shearing the arc of desire

So...does the ?? on the 'stage' setlist around EMG imply it is optional? Or...does the meal reviewer now prepare the lists???

Please give me Gina and EMG for Concord...

C'mon ...NORCAL!!!

DFD

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 18:36:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

Don't toy with me Laina. I will not be provoked.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 18:31:07 ET
Posted by: Laina, goin' to LA on a dare...

"That and chasing skirts, the toxic kind, he's big on that."

What's this about Walter? Toxic skirts...I'on get it.

Somebody asked about the Santa Barbara setlist. Here it goes, typed verbatim from the setlist I was given from off the stage.
_______________________

9-28 Santa Barbara, CA.
-----------------------
CUBANO CHANT
AJA
TIME OUT OF MY MIND
CAVES OF ALTAMIRA
BLACK COW
BABYLON SISTERS
DADDY DON'T LIVE (intro)
PEG
HOME AT LAST
--------------------------
intermission
--------------------------
STEELY DAN SHOW
JANIE RUNAWAY
HEY 19
HAITIAN DIVORCE
LAST MALL
¿EVERYTHING MUST GO?
PARKER'S BAND
JOSIE
KID CHARLEMAGNE
DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE
---------------------------
MY OLD SCHOOL
FM

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 17:39:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

Eric - no doubt, Ms. Vicki Cave was one sexy woman but Carolyn Leonhart is still the jewel in the crown. I sometimes forget to watch Don & Walt when she's doing those incredibly smooth and sensual moves of hers. I've had blackouts watching the way she flutters that feminine form. Hypnotic, like ocean waves. Mi likee.

The Rajah would trade all his elephants to bask in a nanosecond of her regal beauty and did I mention I love the way she 'shimmies' that buh-ya? Ouch, mamacita.


BABE -A - LICIOUUUSS! (Can I get an Amen, my Joey)

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 17:02:30 ET
Posted by: eric,

The most lucious of them all: http://www.steelydan.com/Images/2k/europe/berlinvic.jpeg

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 15:41:15 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" But Don? I can't even fathom what goes on there. He's gotta be a couch potato if he's watching that movie "Secretary" on cable, he reads, does what his wife tells him (always a wise choice) and plays his ................. "

Yeah , you have to wonder what they do when they have two / three days off in a row . Rent DVD's ? ...............Nah !!!!! Practice ????? ..........Hell No !!!! ................gotta go with Cable TV !!!

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJACKY !

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 15:32:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

In true nerd fashion, I do not believe da boyz are sports fans. Obviously, Walty has a lot of gadgets and electronic toys he plays with when he's not skippin stones along that shoreline. Ripping off his kids' turns of phrase for lyrics. That and chasing skirts, the toxic kind, he's big on that. But Don? I can't even fathom what goes on there. He's gotta be a couch potato if he's watching that movie "Secretary" on cable, he reads, does what his wife tells him (always a wise choice) and plays his 12 jazz albums. Oh yeah, and I'm sure he and our Gretchen exchange naughty emails. Pretty positive about that. Lunch with ...Gretchen? Hmmmm.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 15:25:45 ET
Posted by: Rcray, NYC/NYU

Has Steely Dan ever played "Everything you did" live?


Just wondering....I saw them each year but only a few shows.

That song would sound awesome live, I believe.

...also I was watching Almost Famous the other day and Reeling in the Years is in that movie...the main protagonist in the movie is about to lose his virginity and they are playing the song..it ROCKS>

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 14:47:31 ET
Posted by: aMAEzed,

Someone sent me this and all I could think and laugh about was how similar the following is to the humor in "The Last Mall." Roll you cart back up the aisle, INDEED!

When the end of the world arrives how will the media report it?

USA Today:
WE'RE DEAD

The Wall Street Journal:
DOW JONES PLUMMETS AS WORLD ENDS

Lady's Home Journal:
LOSE 10 LBS. BY JUDGEMENT DAY WITH OUR NEW
"ARMAGEDDON" DIET!

National Enquirer:
SHEEP MISSING ALL OVER WORLD

Microsoft Systems Journal:
APPLE LOSES MARKET SHARE

Sports Illustrated:
GAME OVER

Wired:
THE LAST NEW THING

Rolling Stone:
THE GRATEFUL DEAD REUNION TOUR
(Beatles reunite too!)

Readers Digest:
BYE

Discover Magazine:
HOW WILL THE EXTINCTION OF ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT AFFECT THE WAY WE VIEW THE COSMOS?

TV Guide:
DEATH AND DAMNATION: NIELSON RATINGS SOAR!

America Online:
SYSTEM TEMPORARILY DOWN. TRY CALLING BACK IN 100 YEARS

Inc. magazine:
TEN WAYS YOU CAN PROFIT FROM THE APOCALYPSE

Microsoft's Web Site:
IF YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE THE RAPTURE, DOWNLOAD SOFTWARE PATCH RAPT777.EXE.

IBM:
ARMAGEDDON TOLERANT SOFTWARE NOW AVAILABLE!

N.Y. Post:  
WHAASSSUP ?

Boston Globe:
STRONG N.E. WINDS PREDICTED

Cuba Libre:
BUSH BLOWS UP WORLD

Arizona Republic:
TEMPERATURES EXPECTED TO HIT 1016 F TODAY

Had a great time at the Chicago Danfest and concert.

Mae

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 14:16:21 ET
Posted by: jdub53,

Does anyone have the set list for the Sunday 9/28/03 show at Santa Barbara County bowl? Or could someone send me in the right direction?
Thanks

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:56:32 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, At the axis of pain/pleasure shearing the arc of desire

Thanks Raj...been meaning to close that one out for a while.

dfd

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:53:02 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

Godwhacker, people, Godwhacker.

There's no escape from you know who.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:47:53 ET
Posted by: Atlantic, NYC

Gretchen- Your point is well taken but I can't think of any SD songs in which the protagonist are self-aware and destroy (themselves or others) in the name of righteousness (sp?). If any pride creeps into the motive of, say, Cousin Dupree or the Nightfly, it seems to be besides the point. Contrasting Roark, they all seem to be clueless or debased once they figure out who they are (Show Biz Kids, Kid C, the woman in Haitian Divorce).

Validity aside, Ayn Rand was writing ideological diatribes. SD writes modernist satire and morality plays.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:41:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

A slang term used by computer hackers, meaning to understand or comprehend. The term originated in the Robert Heinlein sci-fi novel Stranger In a Strange Land, and implies intimate and exhaustive knowledge. You grok?


That's from the Steely Dan Dictionary: http://members.aol.com/danomalley/steelydan/

That line I would offer means the all-knowing ones are back to show the way, musically speakin. That song is defiant, it's like, Daddy's home and he's gone kick some ass, love that tune.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:26:41 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Raj - like your take on 2vN...

any offers fo interpretation on the line "Who's gonna grok the shape of things to go"?

Enquiring minds....

DFD

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:23:44 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase,

There's that wristwacth set at two and, significantly, the date is '11'. The end is near. Ominous.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:07:02 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I was looking at Steely Dan's Band Bios page. First of all, there is a really cool graphic at the upper left hand corner of the page. Any ideas who did it?

Also, I noticed a trend. It seems you have a better chance at being in the band if your last name begins with a letter in the first half of the English alphabet.

As always, happy to interpret the stats for you.

jim

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 12:06:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Atlantic,
Your post made me think of Howard Roark from "The Fountainhead." His identity/self-awareness was so strong he willingly destroyed his security and reputation to stand by his beliefs. Refusing to play by the rules of "acceptable" architectural style, he was ostracized by peers and lend on a journey of hand to mouth existence until he ultimately triumphed many years later.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 11:58:56 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hey you know, in the past couple of hours there have been over a dozen posts just about baseball. Hey I'm even in a town where there are playoffs. The thing to remember is that this place had to be started because certain places turned into discussion about Sports and politics, etc rather than about Steely Dan, music in general, humor, tagential Dan. I wouldn't mind so much if there is occassional mention in the context of something tangential Dan, but when there's over a dozen baseball posts with no SD content in a couple of hours, it's a bit much.

Have a nice day everyone :-)

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 11:47:25 ET
Posted by: Atlantic, NYC

Pivotal Pete - When you refer to Ibsen's "Bird Cage" are you actually refering to the birdcage that is central to Strindberg's "Miss Julie." Miss Julie is protected by her family's wealth and power but feels compelled to destroy herself with one night if passion with a charming servant. She finally tells the servant in graphic detail how she will ultimately kill him. This notion of identity/self awareness through sado-masochism seems to be a central theme to both Strindberg and Steely Dan. You can't understand the central tenet of human existence (suffering) until the bubble of protection (this can take many forms) has been burst. To me, Kid C, Black Cow, 2vN, Janie Runaway, Green Book, Doctor Wu, Home at Last and so may others are all about this.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 11:43:54 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Pixeleen does both. It is a major high point in their songbook.

So why hasn't it been played live yet in concert ?????

Are they saving it for Maui ( Walter's backyard ) ??????

Please ..................I's needs to know !!!!!!!

Spanky !

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 10:29:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

It is the extremely rare artist, writer, painter, filmmaker, songwriter who has more than a handful of thematic elements running through their body of work. Look at Picasso, Thomas Hardy, Woody Allen, Paul McCartney. These guys are giants but when you really look at what they're putting out there, you see the patterns. Very seldom does Steely Dan break with their well trodden paths. I think a couple examples are Two Against Nature and Pixeleen. TvN is a defiant affirmation of who they are, basically coming back from the dead to say, "hey we're back, deal with it." Look at the strange time signature there. Pixeleen is one of the rare songs that manage to uplift you and I can't really put my finger on why. You know how Mike McDonald said that SD speaks to your brain and the Doobies speak to your heart? Pixeleen does both. It is a major high point in their songbook.

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 10:29:17 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Peter....man I love "Down at the Bottom." While I was at the Atlanta show, I was thinking that it would be so cool if the fellas did something from their solo works. Tunes such as "Junkie Girl," "Down at the Bottom," "IGY," or even "Teahouse on the Tracks" would have been really cool.

To be truthful, wouldn't 11 Tracks of Whack and Kamikariad really have to be considered Steely Dan projects as both Walter and Donald were all over them?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 08:13:00 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Pivotal - the same observing consciousness behind all these lyrics is unmistakeable, the same patterns of thought and belief, the same themes are explored ad infinitum, the recurrent use of similar scenes, phrases of language, attitudinal positions, etc. Nobody (I don't think) is literally suggesting the same exact characters are showing up. You have to watch and listen very attentively.

Example: six times on this tour, when W introduced Tom Barney, I heard him say, "If you know anything about funk music you know where it starts, down in the bottom." Does "Down In The Bottom" ring a bell? Is the use of the phrase a coincidence?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 01:21:28 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', China

You multiple concert-goers......have you noticed any cameras around the stage ?

My main hope for this tour is that I get to see (hear) a DVD of the shows they've been doing. If you have seen any cameras on stage, nearby, etc. that would be a good indicator.

So, any camera sightings ?

Date: Tues, September 30, 2003, 00:45:58 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Connections?

Would guess I'm not alone in seeing some of the "link" ideas between songs as getting a bit obscure/tenuous. Sound a bit like Nostradamus interpretations or James Burke laying on a Hindu cushion ...

BUT, having said that I do think it's interesting and fun to look for possible character recurrences. One that struck me is the couple in Aja showing up again in My Rival. "Your tiny hand ..." sounds like a petite love from the days of banyan trees.

THEN: happened to listen to CBAT the other day and was struck by the message of the very first cut of ALL SD albums: Do It Again. Three scenarios covering some of the most common recurring story lines in SD lyrics -- with the message that they're fated to repeat the vice, crime, delusion, tragedy, etc. Maybe that first number was an up-front hint to keep looking for these stories again and again...?

PeterQ - Women in Cages to me has always referred to females kept and pampered by their families or sugar daddies. Like in Ibsen's "Bird Cage" -- Is the go-go thing for real?

Gretchen - Not sure our cuckolded hero in "Everything" sees her as a victim. More likely he's just irresistably turned on by the thought of her doing things he "never knew." Like couples who swap and say it improves their sex life ... He probably would blame her if he wasn't wanting in on the "action" (another word your boyfriend pronounces differently than anyone else). Similar reaction in "I Got the News" -- What I hear may be true, I would still be proud to know you.

Where do I find out about Dan Fests? (Yes, I'm lazy) Taking my brother to the show in Concord CA on Saturday and not sure he'd be up to the intensity of a buncha Dan freaks -- what happens?

I knew all this set list debate was a bad omen. Please, whoever's left alive in heaven, bring back Gina and Slang of Ages!!

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 20:54:44 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Hoops...thanks for the clean up on my duped message...

Hey - would love to meet you / run into you at the Concord Danfest. I'd love to make it there...trying to figure out a way. May have to bring the kids by for that one...ma in law cannot babysit until 6-ish...

dfd

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 19:30:46 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Molly:
I agree about Donald's delivery on "...Roll your cart back down the aisle..."

Steely Jan:
Sorry we missed you at the Vegas Danfest. Concord? Hope so!

Gretchen:
Agreed. I've found it's definitely no fun for all parties involved to bring people who don't "get" the Dan to a show. No need in converting. Just like addicts and alcoholics, you know who are Dan fans and who aren't.

Finally received my "Rolling Stone" with Johnny Cash on the cover and Roseland inside. First of all, really dug the "Random Notes" on Steely Dan. ("Random Notes" is co-reported by Austin Scaggs.) And who was the person who posted earlier about the "Hindu Cushion?" LOL.

As far as the full page "Gaucho" ad, it was great to see and now that I have seen it, I say it's simply a SACD push by MCA and Sony. In my humble interpretation, it's as if they are saying SACD must be great if there is a Steely Dan album in the format. Or at the very least, as I am sure you have gathered, they are appealing especially to SD fans since they are oft audiophiles.

Speaking of full page ads, there was one for the Mandalay Bay show in one of the weekly Vegas tourist mags. It also had an article about SD that was clearly written by a true SD fan (the article talked about Lone Star) even if it was slightly inaccurate.

Very cool.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 19:18:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Crack - no I've never used the "you walked in..." line. But I haveused, "we could stay inside and play games" and "wanna bang the skulls of things undead?" This made quite an impression as you can imagine. Actually, you could have a whole conversation if you knew the lyrics well enough. There's a little something for everyone in there.

Molly, I dunno about exposing an infant to SD. People may ask who that kinky so and so is in later life.

Can't stand going to a Dan show with any non-Danite. Heresy.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 19:12:06 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Oh no...say it ain't so...

OK...just playing a little catch up...and it looks like the boys are mixing it up with a little more frequency now...

I'm in for my whopping 2nd (and final) show this Saturday at Concord.

Here is my concern...whereas it recently looked like Gina and Everything would be the blissful icing on my personal cake...that seemed to become a 50/50 proposition...whereas now...it appears possible I may get neither?!?!?!? How can this be???

May the forces of nature unite and bring back the bliss! I'll trade you one Janie Runaway for Everything Must Go...and swap the mall for Gina!!!

Thank you,
DFD


ps...or leave them both out and give me a piano bar Charlie Freak and all is good....

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 17:50:04 ET
Posted by: Pam, across the Bay

I was digging around the Dan's webpage a few years back, and found Walter's memo re: touring in Western Europe. He provided useful English phrases and the Danish translation. I was curious if the Danish was really the exact translation, and posted them on a Danish bulletin board on AOL. Well, whaddya know - the instructions weren't about how to order dinner, but how to get other functions taken care of! My post started a firestorm of insults to my morality ("Pornographer!"), and ended up with me being "TOS"ed (kicked off of AOL for a Terms of Service violation). I had to call AOL and plead insanity (or in-Dan-ity) and they relented.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 16:46:17 ET
Posted by: molly, CA

Steely Jan-no LWG-I would have like to hear that one as well but LM was great live-especially the last "roll your cart" from Donald-I expected the energy in hearing the song and got it...
What was also great about last night was hearing all of the buzzy buzz around me-"wasn't that on Countdown to Ecstasy"? or "never live, this is an event" or when I was leaving, "best live show I have been to"
And during the 2nd set when Donald had changed into the green hoodie-"where can I get a shirt like that?"
It was fun to hear all of the buzz while sitting silently smiling just knowing tha tall the buckaroos were in for such a sweet treat and suprise-
-mollydolly

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 16:21:24 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, SLC, Utah

molly (or someone else that saw last nights show): Did they play "Lunch With Gina" last night as well as EMG in the second set last night? I saw them Sat. night in Vegas and they played "Last Mall". It was very good (as was the entire show), but I really wanted to hear LWG and EMG. I tried to find Hoops but was unable to.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 16:18:44 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" asked him if he liked that song and he smiled and nodded yes-I'm convinced on the effect of music in utero. "

This is a very promising beginning for your child . I predict great things for him as all individuals who love Steely Dan are by definition extremely intelligent and have got great taste .

What am I talking about ??????

" Taste is Character and Character is Destiny !!!!!!! "

Snarky Snark !

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 16:02:42 ET
Posted by: molly, work with "Bad Sneaker" running throo my noggin

Joey-He's actually 2 years old so maybe I'm a little late-believe it or not he was singing along to Aja in the car yesterday-I asked him if he liked that song and he smiled and nodded yes-I'm convinced on the effect of music in utero.
a tout a l'hueure-laters,mol

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 15:36:59 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" think 2 is a fine year to start him on SD-don't you?
cheers and laters, molly "

Two Months ?!?!?!?!?! A Perfect time to start !

Snarky !

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 14:44:46 ET
Posted by: angel,

Credit roll pictures on the touring photos page. Lots of new stuff.
Steelydan.com.

Having done it both ways, with family is fun and you have someone to talk to. Alone can be lonely, but you don't have to care about anyone else's good time. Great for checking out technique and such.

Everything You Did. That song gave me the creepiest feelings, when I first heard it. Like Steely Dan went one step too far into the abyss. I love it now, but those chills running down my back, never totally left me....

For the third concert in a row, I will be at Universal on Wednesday night, wearing the loudest Hawiian shirt I have, in honor of Mr. Walter Becker. Can't wait....

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 14:16:53 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Rajah: Next time a woman of style and grace enters a room and sachez' towards you say: "you walked in, and my life began again"...oh, bet you've tried it already


Moll: you didn't save me a seat?

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 13:52:07 ET
Posted by: Oh yes...,

Peg - oh, your daughter, sorry, I missed that.

/C

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 13:51:06 ET
Posted by: @ Work,

REMINDER

Get ready!
Postponed from Spring, it's the

10th Anniversary Dandom Compilation CD

featuring music of fans of the

Dandom Digest, dandom.com & The Greater Dandom

More details when the tour is over--it'll be a real occassion!

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 13:24:06 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Actually, Russ, I wouldn't expect Universal to put a whole page ad for "Gaucho" in 'Rolling Stone." Maybe they are trying to coax SD into doing something more elaboratye.

But I would expect Reprise to do put a full page ad for EMG in the mag. I guess I missed it.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 13:19:35 ET
Posted by: Russ,

That blurb in the current Rolling Stone (with Johnny Cash on the cover) about the Saturday night Roseland show from a couple weeks ago brought back some cool memories. Nice picture too.

I also noticed that the magazine has a full-page ad for the new SACD "Gaucho" edition. Nice...But the ad of course spells Donald's last name wrong along with some other typos. In other words, exactly what we've come to expect from MCA over the years...

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:33:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Molly,
Here's to going to concerts by yourself! I do it all the time-it's much better to relax and enjoy rather than worry about keeping someone else entertained. Anyone I see SD with must definitely be "Danworthy."

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:32:40 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Man with no face and others:
When OJ, Nicole and Ron Goldman happened, I immediately thought, "It's 'Everything You Did' but in real life!"

Your take on EYD may vary and local taxes may be applicable.

Great review, Molly. Glad they did EMG.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:27:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Molly - That's a very touching comment about getting choked up during one of the numbers. It happens everytime I see them, the connection to my own past, yeah, my youth, it's kinda like watching an old home movie. You think about where you've been, your life, what you've done with it, what to do with it with the time that's left. Thanks Molly.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:25:07 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, because I'm worth it.........

Hoops,
I would gladly volunteer to be the L'Oreal model (or any brand) whom Donald kisses! (Hey, it could be for the over 40 crowd).

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:13:17 ET
Posted by: Man with no face,

I've always read ETD as the narrator is actually rather excited by catching his gf/wife with the other guy. He says nine times "you gonna show/tell/do me later". In fact, the last verse implies that he already knows, and that its a game they play where he catches her and feigns surprise/ignorance... "I never knew you were a rolla skater"... but then he says "I know where baby's at/ I know your filthy mind/ Now you're gonna do me everything you did baby".

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 12:08:14 ET
Posted by: molly, In another zone about 24 hours ago...

Well it was definitely one of those moments when you look back and wonder if it all really happened... and now I have that "what now feeling"-Last night in SB was incredible!!! Of course I have been anticipating the evening for over a month but yesterday was the climax and wowee. I had originally bought a ticket in the top tier but a couple of weeks ago saw an opportunity on the ticket exchange board..so I bought that ticket...7th row almost center-right in Walter's line actually-perfecto(sorry but i can hear ya on all the Donald crushes out there-Gretchen,Christine but Walter is my daddy-o)! I went solo which was a first and I totally reccommend it..I don't know too many folks that like SD so rather than drag someone that will just sit there, I was able to enjoy it on my own, in my own little world, just me, Don, Walter, the girls, the band...After two glasses of vino, I was bubbling over then with nothing to say as the band came out for Cubano Chant..I noticed so much more than at Paso show-especially since I was closer..I could see how the band moved to the music, how Walter was into the Chant and how both D & W were smiling like old pros....the set list was the same as previous nights-I really just listened to the show like I never have before-it was like magic-hearing the songs that I had never heard live like Black Cow(was getting a bit choked up) or Babylon -and then hearing songs that I have been listening to in my car or on my turntable-listening to them thinking that I will be hearing this live in just a few short weeks,days,hours...I know that not being able to dance freely was a concern of mine-especially now that I had shelled out $90 for a sweet ticket-but I accepted it early on-a few were up during Peg of course but it wasn't until the more energetic part of the show in that 2nd set where people were really digging it...I was bummed to hear that EMG was left off of the set the past few nights but as I was driving down to the bowl and listening to EMG I just said aloud-Please guys play this song tonite!! And they did! Intro was HOT like expected-such a great tune-Daddy Don't Live was also excellent as was Haitian-Walter has a great bluesy voice that really complements the lyrics-I thought he had done DTMA in Paso but maybe I was dreaming-Don did it last night...Anyways-so now I'm left to finish out my days with that feeling of stillness, of thoughts like "what do I do now?" and "how the hell can I get to Hawaii?" or LA for that matter-maybe my son can go with me to the LA show-I think 2 is a fine year to start him on SD-don't you?
cheers and laters, molly

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:58:41 ET
Posted by: Davis, Boston

Eric,, Ummmm No credit, how could I? I was "in" at that point.

I didnt dare tell her though that I "Get into bed and curl up with a girlie magazine" the date would have ended there and then..

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:55:12 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Davis...I'm sure you gave Walter and Don credit for the line.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:53:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hoops - I'm telling ya, our boys would be GREAT on their own talk show. The new Johnny and Ed. OK, they do seem a bit stiff, especially Don, but even a radio gig would be hilarious. Dr. Science and his sidekick, Gyro-gearloose, a cooking show, car talk.

No, I got it: Apocalypse Wow (one of Don's descriptions for EMG). A lighthearted look at dystopia.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:23:40 ET
Posted by: Davis, Boston

I was on a date this weekend and our conversation drifted into what it was like living single around the 40 Year old mark. So I said, You know, I kind of like Fryin'up my sad cusine" To which she replied, "My goodnes your so smart and witty" Thanks Don and Walt.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:23:11 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

This morning's New York Times has a item by Jon Pareles taking a critical look at reunion tours. The item appears to be sparked by the Simon & Garfunkel reunion, not to mention Duran Duran. He focuses on how many of these tours are attractive to attendees mainly for nostalgia. But towards the end, he has this to say about Steely Dan:

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"But here is a critic's proposal: Every band should be allowed one reunion, no more. If things work out and the reunited band becomes a going concern, so much the better. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, winding up their tour with three shows this week at Shea Stadium, have spurred one another to some of the best music of their careers since reuniting in 1999. Steely Dan's brain trust, those persnickety songwriters Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, reunited in 1993 to start touring again; they have stayed together and honed a band that they consider good enough to back them in the studio.

At their best, reunions can remind musicians and fans what they saw in each other in the first place. And if not — well, the audience always has the songs, and the memories."

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Speaking of news stories, am I the only one who reads news stories, especially entertainment columns, and then imagine the resulting hilarity if the subject were replaced with those of our Favorite Duo?

This morning I read a blurb where Ben Affleck is doing a L'Oreal shampoo commerical airing in the UK. Perhaps those of you in the UK have already seen it. After Affleck passionately kisses a model, he says men should use the shampoo because
"we're worth it."

Picture Donald, kissing some beautiful model and then looking into the camera with up-curled lip, saying, in his distinctive Donald-voice, "L'Oreal...we're worth it."

Like I said, the resulting humor was imagined.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 11:11:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Eric - all the freakin time.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 10:49:54 ET
Posted by: Eric,

I've noticed that in many posts here, folks will incorporate lines from Dan songs into their messages. We're all in on the joke and everything is cool.

How many of us however, have incorporated bits and pieces of Dan lyrics into everyday conversations with friends, family, work mates, etc. and passed them off as our own? Be honest now...I've now done it.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 10:33:02 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

You can even connect the dots further from EYD to TIMTM - "I jumped out of my easy CHAIR"...."The comfy Eames CHAIR"...but there's more going on, there are all kinds of cross references to "laying down" from RB and TIMTM and the temporal references like "you think no tomorrow will come" which means exactly the same as "The days don't really last forever/but it's getting pretty damn close." If not literally the same characters from song to song, then it is at the very least the same view and/or views of things being repeated over and over. The observing consciousness is remarkably consistent.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 10:13:27 ET
Posted by: Jason, Bahs-ton

Davis-

Andy's site is at http://www.andymetzger.com/

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 10:12:04 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Andy Metzger's page is an invaluable resource. At Roseland he and I discussed how, up to that point, Jones Beach had been the best sounding show on the tour. I still think that's right, out of the shows I went to anyway, and that includes the ballroom.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 09:58:04 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Don just gets better with time

Christine,
I've had that picture of Donald saved as my desktop for quite some time. I don't know where it originated, however it is very appealing. He's just got that certain something. (sigh)He's way sexy.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 09:30:26 ET
Posted by: Davis, Boston

Christine what is Andy Metzgers page address???

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 09:26:57 ET
Posted by: Rcray, NYC

Do you think Walt might do some of his solo stuff when they do their shows in Hawaii?

I would love to hear Down in the Bottom live or Junkie Girl!!

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 09:06:28 ET
Posted by: christine, so What if Donalds' sexy

Wow awesome picture of Donald on first page of Andy Metzger's Dan Fan site! Where is it from?

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 08:27:41 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Look at the language. "Guess" is a prominent part of both Razor and Rikki. He doesn't *know*, he can only *guess*. Similar cluelessnesses abound in Everything You Did, *I never knew you*, in other words, he *guesses*. What Eagles song are they listening to? Has to be Lyin' Eyes, of course. Again, *friends* is a big slab of both Razor and Rikki...why is it important to always be relating your girlfriend to your male friends, letting her know of the import of these "friends"...haven't the 'friends' become the 'bastard' of Everything You Did???? Of course; in Razor and Rikki he's too stupid to see that this is going to be the end result in Everything, although we aren't. We know.

Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 02:42:03 ET
Posted by: host,

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Date: Mon, September 29, 2003, 01:01:10 ET
Posted by: DACW , three-times perfect

RajaH: I'll b e yelling "Pixeleen" with you all in spirit...no, I may actually BE yelling it, just far away...

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 23:07:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretchy - your soulful posts send me.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 22:56:01 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, relaxing at the Camarillo

Funny someone should mention "Everything You Did." I was listenig to this in the car driving home in a torrential downpour on a semi flooded road on the CT shoreline. It seems this was a "walk in", as the narrator wants to know "where did the bastard run," as if he caught his beloved and her paramour in the act. I don't think these characters really have any connection to any other SD songs because they are fleshed out only to the point that she was a roller skater, and he didn't really know her all that well. If the neighbors are close enough to listen to the eagles, they probably live in a more temporary sort of residence, like his apartment, and have not been together all that long. Obviously the intruded occupied the easy chair, and the narrator felt it had been taken from him by this act. He's rather naive, treating his girlfriend as if she is a victim rather than an mutual partner in this tryst. Don't mind me, it's just the ramblings of a very tired girl after a very soggy day in CT. Was so blue today only hot tea and the soothing sounds of Don's voice were able to revive me.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 22:28:42 ET
Posted by: j de siecle, hardy et al

Peter Q: I had never, never thought of a connection w. Thomas Hardy-esque fatalism, but it fits. An amazing observation. Like Eustacia Vye, whose aspirations and eventual, predictable demise relate to any number of dan anti-heroines. Thank goodness our boys don't beat up on (figuratively speaking) their female characters as much as Hardy does -- their characters seem a tad more deserving of whatever fate befalls them.

One of your observations in that thread that I differ with: I have always seen the characters in Everything You Did as being plopped down into the dan-scape freshly from a greyhound bus -- they seem a little shallow for any backstory/history, no matter how tawdry that history may be. But you've inspired me to revisit those earlier songs w. an eye to a discovering a progressive story line. Very interesting!!

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 22:10:05 ET
Posted by: Pixeleen,

It is funny that someone brought up the fact British singers don't have an accentwhen they sing. I met a British singer and I asked him what the deal was with the voice. He said the British called it their "Mid-Atlantic Accent". I thought that was pretty good an answer as any.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 21:56:14 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - as usual, your posts send me reeling into research mode. I don't have an answer yet but, yes, I always thought the girl in Razor Boy had a major history. Get back to you.

LA Danfolk! It's Camacho's at 6 PM Wednesday at Universal City Walk. Leave that stank attitude at home with the kids and be prepared to party. We're going to practice yelling for Pixeleen.

We'll decide where to be for Thursday when we meet. LOL my brothers and sisters, let's bring this puppy home where it belongs.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 21:39:32 ET
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, Stargate

Al Stewart is doing county fairs, and very small gigs around the country, he's been in several small Georgia towns doing his best oldies.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 20:04:59 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

I am interested to know how the go-go girl in Razor Boy screwed the coke dealer - what exactly did she do? I believe we are getting the same story here that we are getting in Rikki Don't...("I have a friend in town, he's heard your name" - this 'friend', undoubtedly, is the Razor Boy and he's heard Rikki's name, of course, because she's a go-go dancer ("women in cages" etc.)...of course this is all connected to Junkie Girl ("men in business suits"..."You take their money like you take mine...") etc.

I believe that Everything You Did is a culmination of this couple's courtship and marriage through the years, where they ended up, although when the turn begins with Aja B& F no longer seem to be lyrically concerned with this couple very much anymore.

This the kind of fatalism and inevitable-ism we see in novelists like Thomas Hardy or Frank Norris, though in a more chiaroscuro style. I wonder if this sort of behavioristic determinism is in Dan a prescription for the universal, for all of us, or if they just observe it happening to some people.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 16:32:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Bill - I used to love the Feat way back when and you're postings have prompted me to revisit, thanks. Very clever ensemble. Can you tell me if they ever had a drummer named David-something?

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 15:50:48 ET
Posted by: Bill, A big Feat Fan - minimal SD content

Glad to hear so many DanFans appreciate Little Feat. Though they never hit the commercial heights of SD, they have a lot in common including first-rate musicianship, s deep catalog of excellent material, and they sound as good or better than they did in their somethat drug-sodden 70's "prime." Yes, Lowell George was a genius, a brilliant singer, writer and guitarist, but well before his passing and since, keyboardist Bill Payne and guitarist Paul Barerre have picked up the slack as writers and front men. I'm amazed that guitarist Fred Tackett has never been on an SD album since he has done sessions with just about everyone else, plus he is a fine trumpeter and mandolinist as well. He was on many of their 70's albums and wrote or co-wrote some material before joining full time in 1988. Craig Fuller sang and played rhythm guitar for their first three "comeback" albums before leaving the band to stay home with his kids and doctor wife. Latest addition Shaun Murphy has done backing vocal duties with many big-name acts including Eric Clapton and Bob Seger, and sang on all the post-Lowell Feat albums before becoming an official member about 9 years ago. She doesn't sing all the Lowell George tunes, just those that fit her powerful voice, maybe about a third. Many others are done by Barrere, Payne, and percussionist Sam Clayton, and they do a ton of post-Lowell material and a handful of thoughtfully chosen covers.

Since being booted off Warner Bros some years ago they have bounced from one under-funded, slipshod label to another until launching their own "Hot Tomato" label last year. Paul Barerre quipped that they had been told to go screw themselves by so many record companies over the years that they finally took their advice and figure they can screw themselves as well as the pros. They have put out a couple live and rareties collections and are gearing up for their first self-released studio album next month.

All their set lists are on line at http://www.featbase.net, and they mix it up a lot. Their own web site is www.littlefeat.net The one constant is their only semi-hit, Dixie Chicken, but it is stretched out and modified every night to include long improvs and other songs between verses (recent favorite has been Tenessee Jed) as well as quotes from 60s jazz standards like So What, Milestones and Well You Needent. No two versions are the same.

If you're on this list you must appreciate intelligent music played by accomplished players and written with a wry and clever sense of humor and wordplay. Little Feat is very much alive and well, so check them out, especially if you think they're just another 70s retread. You'll be glad you did. Also, you can get on their hoyhoy fan listserve and plenty of folks will be glad to share high-quality band-approved soundboard recordings with you.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 15:35:26 ET
Posted by: MY Jackie, L.A.

FYI

Heads Up - Yesterday, Ticketmaster released several Orc. seats for Universal ... They have a habit of doing this a few days before the show.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 15:04:19 ET
Posted by: J de Siecle, a long time ago

Pete, Rajah -- Grapelli died in 97 and he was doing performances up to almost to the second he passed. It got lots of well-deserved coverage, several retrospective pieces on the radio, PBS, etc...

It's funny I thought everyone would remember that moment in time. Sad.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 14:23:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, Los Wages

A great show it was last night!

First of all, it was a real priveledge to connect with Chris, Chris, Ana, Craig,Joe, Nick, David, Doc Kelly (from Kansas who I also met at Chicago) and so many others. I was floored to meet Jeff Lo after all these years, and it was great to hook up with John Lukes (and his daughter) who was one of the original Dandom Digest people back in 1993 with Hb Friedenberg.

Thanks for such a wonderful time, you people, and thanks for the breadsticks ;-)

For those of you who aren't familiar with the various boxing matches the venue has hosted, Mandalay Bay Events Center is an arena very similar to Chicago's United Center or Portland's Rose Garden, just to name a couple of examples. Of course, the vibe that is Las Vegad that surrrounds it, is anything but like the UC.

Just like when I see the Dan in NYC, seeing them in Vegas presents its own perspective. After all, it's the land of "Do It Again" and "Los Wages" and that part of the Dan attitude snarks through. Vegas is so much what Steely Dan songs celebrate and mock. It was a night of real life irony to the N-th degree.

As kindly noted below, the setlist was similar to the past few nights. I'm grateful since I since so much is happening in these performances that I get to catch things I didn't the first, second,....eighth,... time. It's the same for me with Steely Dan's recordings which is why I never tire of them. (As a funny aside, I'm considering some other concerts like Mike McD in Chicago and, unlike the Dan, it doesn't even cross my mind to catch the show twice, let alone multiple times.)

Aside from welcoming back "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" which I LOVE, although I LOVE "Slang" as well, it was also the first time I got to hear "The Last Mall" live. The visuals to "The Last Mall" remind me a lot of the opening to the "New Frontier" video," where they fly through a computer-generated suburban streetscape circa 1950s. (The scene last night looks oh-so-much like the block I lived on when I lived in Urbana, Illinois.)

"The Last Mall" was excellent and brought me back to last spring where the current chapter in our Steely adventure began. While I enjoyed it a great deal and think every Dan fan needs to experience it, giving it 5 out of 5 stars, I also missed "Lunch With Gina," which TLM replaced in the set list. LWG gets 6 out of 5 stars—it's that amazing since it takes the incredible album version to extra stop or two.

I can't say enough about Keith Carlock. He is simply amazing and his "Josie" solo is something I wait for every show. And every show he tops it, as hard to believe that night before's solo could be topped.

Another thing I think is tops is "Haitian Divorce." Aside from my belied that Walter now owns the song, that movie clip they show is perfectly mesmerizing. It captures the spirit without ever being completely literal in its translation. In fact, that's what's so great about all the visuals. They don't quite tell you what's going on--which is very important to fostering the imagination--but they greatly contribute to the spirit. You're not always sure what these characters in Steely Dan songs are doing—but whatever it is, you know they probably shouldn't be doing it and that Walter and Donald are having a good laugh at human nature.

And since it was Vegas, I'm sure you had to wonder if there would be any allusion to "Taxi Cab Confessions." Before the show, on the venue's jumbo screens, they showed commercials for Mandalay Bay events and when it came to SD they showed a few short clips including from "Steely Dan Confessions." Someone said they saw Lizzie in the audience, but I missed her.

However, I did manage to meet and chat with Maria aka "Snake Babe." She told me that aside the internet clips she had not yet seen the full SD Confessions DVD-V but had a great time doing it. She told me it was filmed back in late February and that Walter and Donald were really great. For me the most fascinating part was to find out that she and her guest grew up and lived in the same part of Chicago as myself, practically right down the street. So we were chatting about the hood.

She was really floored to hear how much we all enjoyed her part in SD Confessions. She seemed surprised by it. I was surpised at how tall she is with showgirl's legs and dancing eyes, to borrow a DF quote.

Aside from saying "Hello," Maria also wanted me to relay to you that her web site is at http://www.SnakeBabe.com I haven't had a change to check it out, but I'm sure it's a lot of fun. She hopes you will check out her web site and, moreover, check out her show when you are in Vegas. She says to stop by and say "hi."

I'm sure I will have more later, but thanks to everyone for making me feel so welcome. I really am grateful. I wish I could be at the three L.A. area shows as I am sure it would be great to experience SD in the area where they recorded so much, but am looking forward to next weekend at Concord.

jim

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 12:58:31 ET
Posted by: Zman from Lost Wages, Las Vegas

Vegas Setlist

Set 1

Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves Of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Daddy Don't Live In NYC No More/Band Intros
Peg
Home At Last


Set 2

The Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19
Haitian Divorce
Last Mall
Parkers Band
Josie
Kid Charlamagne
Don't Take Me Alive
MY Old School
FM

Like they did in 2000 they gave us a little taste of Show Biz Kids at the end of FM on the outro......Awesome show great crowd....

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 12:40:57 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

WuDuF - I've noticed the same, however believed it's a bit of a two-way shift. Most American singers soften their "Rs" when singing so also tend to sound more British. If you listen to Irish singers (don't know her name, but the Cranberries singer is an example), you can hear they tend NOT to back off the R (think Ahrrr, matey!).
A bunch of famous British singers (Mick Jagger, Tom Jones, Van Morrison, etc.) tend to mimic black vocal styles, which obviously makes them sound less English.
Have also noticed that when I listen to old "British Invasion" recordings I can hear their accent that at the time (8 - 11 years old) I musta though was "normal."

Rajah - I saw Al Stewart 10 years ago, but no clue where he is today.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 12:27:47 ET
Posted by: Laina, in SLO, preparing for SB

Gracias for the info, angel. Well folks, I hope you all have a wonderful Sunday/Monday. I know I will because I'm going to see SD!!! Woooooohooo!

over and OUT,

Lainalove

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 12:10:09 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, Getting older in Bethel

Happy rainy Sunday! Something interesting I've noted about English singers over the years. Al Stewart is an exception to this rule, as is Robyn Hitchcock, but most of the time the English accent gets lost while they are singing, but not talking. It's actually difficult to tell where someone is from by just listening to them sing. Perhaps music creates it's own language dialect, as well as musical ones. For those who don't know who Robyn Hitchcock is, you should check out some of his stuff. The lyrics are much on the line of Steely Dan's with the double and triple meanings, and songs that sem lighthearted but are actually about the dark side of things. He also has a great sense of that cynical humor that reminds me of W.B. AND he is a big Steely Dan fan. See www.robynhitchcock.com if you're so inclined. Stay dry, east coast friends!

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 09:51:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Pete -I realize the English do sound funny with that accent they put on. (I swear when they're alone together, they talk just like us.) But Al Stewart had a serious speech impediment. When he sings on "Timeless Arcadian Skies" the sibilance is outrageous. I admit I played it all the way through the other night. I'm glad to hear he's still alive up there in SF. Seems like everybody's croaking lately; can we blame it on Bush? Sure, why not.

Grappelli can't be alive, he was recording in the 30s. His album with Oscar Peterson in Paris is still classic.

OK, deep thought for the day: EMG is so serious and so funny all at once.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 09:31:31 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via nyc

why do u think they added songs during the first few nights of the second leg and then shorten the set this past week?

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 09:30:07 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via nyc

why do u think they played more songs at the begining of the 2nd leg and then shorten the set list this last week?

talk amongst yourselves.......

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 09:22:27 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via NYC

eric,
Daddy don't live?? wow, awesomme set list! how were the band intro's?
How did they announce LM and DDLITNYCNM?

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 06:59:47 ET
Posted by: Unpancikala, Dehesa Valley, California

i don't like Steely Dan.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 01:43:52 ET
Posted by: angel,

Lania: Sayan Becker is his daughter. I believe quite a bit of Pixeleen he has attributed to her and the fact that she has just passed through her teenage years. She giggles in one of the cuts of his solo album 11 Tracks of Whack. See the credits for that album, on the official SD website.

Date: Sun, September 28, 2003, 01:20:45 ET
Posted by: angel,

2 things of Steely Dan note in the magazine that you won't find for sale in Wal Mart....
The first is an article about Rock Fantasy Camp and they mention in a sidebar of washed up rock stars: Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. They actually give him a thumbs up, (as in he is doing ok) post Rock God. Their comment, High-level security access.

The second thing was found in an article about Walmart and Bentonville, AK. They mention that there is a place in that town that is known as the "Amen Corner". The reason is that there are 4 churches, at that location, one on each corner. Not like I think that is the inspiration for the line in Almost Gothic, but I found it interesting.

I am going to be seriously bummed if I only get 2 songs from EMG at Universal, though a chance to hear Last Mall live, would almost make up for it.... I have heard a total of 6 cuts (out of 9) and Last Mall would up that total to 7. Of course, I would prefer Green Book or Pixeleen, but what are the chances of that.... :-)

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 23:55:27 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Gotta re-do this on Al Stewart:

I don't think it's a lisp -- he's just British!

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 23:47:41 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California -- land of the strange code

Sorry! I pasted my stuff in from Word and all the special characters got screwed up!!

Please try to get through it -- I make some incredibly insightful points with interesting anecdotes.

Humbly,

-Pete

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 23:44:55 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Have been traveling a ton (UK and Singapore in a 1.5-week stretch) but keeping up on all the show news and debates. I feel it’s time for a group nuzzle!!

Been wanting to toss in my two bits on lots of things too far gone to resurrect. But will take on a few:

70s Dan-songs-not-by-Dan: “Third Rate Romance� by the Amazing Rhythm Aces. Mostly for the humor and sleazy topic. If they did it, they’d need Skunk back on pedal steel … As a band, to me the McDoobies are closest for obvious reasons.

Kids & music – Seems their awareness stretches back farther than the Fab 4. My kids' elementary school does a Sock Hop every year and even early graders know the words to a lot of 50s faves! Amazing social evolution ...

Al Stewart – About 10 years ago I saw him at an annual Labor Day Weekend food event in Golden Gate Park, SF. Most people pay for food and enjoy the music, but the musicians are usually NOT big names at all. Gave me the impression that Mr. Cat’s better days had passed. No one I noticed was saying "Wow, Al-freakin-Stewart!"
BTW, don’t think it’s a lisp – he’s just British!

FM- Okay, not a great closer -- but IMO one of their more unusual and appropriate topics: focusing on the erotic quality of really-smooth high-fi music. (Seems to tie into SD’s artistic vision. Could funked-up Muzak be self-referential? Hmmm) …
I bet quite a few of us older types (40, I mean 30-plus types) can remember the amazing sensation of listening to well-modulated FM broadcasts on a good sound system, starting in the late 60s/early 70s. I used to listen to KFOG-FM in SF (when it was a “beautiful music� [Muzak-like] station just to hear the fog horn. What a rush!

I love “Daddy,� but will be BUMMED if they don’t play Slang in Concord! It’s the highlight of EMG for me – has that smooth mystical teetering-on-the-brink-of-hedonistic-doom-with-ultra-smooth-background-vocals ala Babylon Sisters. “Point of no return� segues to “This is where I turn.� See ya, kid! Enjoy the cotton candy …

Raj – I’d like to hear Stephane Grapelli try some of them bluesy songs. Is he still alive?

Here’s a strange thought for a closer – though admittedly way too obscure for the usual audience: Walk Between Raindrops. Imagine that with real horns, pumped up arrangement and the band doing the Oooooh-Miami break. Whoo!

Joey – You better be real, man. Now that Meali esta muerto you are carrying the flame!

And I’m spent …

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 23:23:53 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there now

Had an incredibly vibrant and fun fun fun dream about Walter last night. We were traipsing around an old estate on the lake at Tahoe and having a ball. Then morning came, and damn that man skipped dimensions and was gone just like that.. Anyway, very vivid amd memorable. First real Walt dream ever. Hoy! I'll have another, thanks!!

Looking forward to Concord, one week from right now ; )

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 22:50:55 ET
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Back From Cali

Heard TIMTM in the lobby of a Best western in Palm Springs this past wk on what sounded like a commercially driven Lite Rock type Station......'till Housekeeping turned on a Vacuum Cleaner!

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 21:46:02 ET
Posted by: DACW, End of Days

The CUBS have won the Division crown today!!!! and George W. Bush is more popular in Iraq than the US...


Can the Rapture be far away?

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 20:33:15 ET
Posted by: Laina, tomorrow's the day

Excerpt from the SD interview:

Becker: "Well, my daughter likes kind of singing-dancing dance music."
Becker: "It was not inconsiderable, but not a huge sum of money. But it was better than a cheese sandwich. It was better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick."
------
He has a daughter?! I had no idea! Thought it was just the boy. So how old are these kids? I know I'm being nosy. :o) And "better than...sharp stick" is just funny. I love SD's whacked sense of humor.

I really can't wait to be in Santa Barbara already.

Lainalove

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 19:49:07 ET
Posted by: Eric, San Diego, CA

Setlist for San Diego, CA 9/26/03

1st Set-
Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves Of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Daddy Dont Live In That NYC No More/band intros
Peg
Home At Last

Second Set-
The Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway/Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
The Last Mall
Parkers Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive

Encore
My Old School
FM

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 18:30:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, Las Vegas

I'm here as one of your humble reporters!

I've always opted for Reno, so this, believe it or not, is my first visit ever to Las Vegas! It makes Reno look low-key and subtle. What a funny place! THE ARCHITECTURE IS HILARIOUS! It's some ol' cartoon! After walking around the strip and all, I can certainly see what our favorite duo have such fun with this place.

Reports later.

your hoopsie.

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 17:05:45 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @home sleeping the week off

Hi,
Great show last night and here's a link to an interview with W&D
prior to the show..It would appear that they stayed at the Hotel Del
Coronado.(swanky digs)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/currents/news_mz1c26steely.html


Ed

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 14:52:33 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via nyc

eric, we need that set list
when did they do LM?

what did they play before caves?

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 12:08:19 ET
Posted by: Nazman, Soul Monkey Central

COMMERCIAL BREAK: (if you would be offended by an accounting of Little Feat's show last night please skip this report rather than chastise me. I'm just a humble servant)...

hey gang, just got back from a night w/ Little Feat. Knowing that you all have such good taste in music and enjoy high octane, quality entertainment let me just tell ya that the Feat continue to deliver. That show last night was as good if not better than the days of yesteryear cause i saw them plenty back then. It was standing ovations and wild hysterical appreciation from the opening number, Cajun Rage.

The Feat remain fertile and bring startling new dynamics to their performance given that they picked up a couple of individuals from Bob Seeger's band some years back, an incredibly polished guitar/mandolin/trumpet virtuouso, Fred Tackett w/ an impressive resume, and female Shaun Murphy to fill in for Lowell's vocals and otherwise that blew everybody's mind. I was thinkin a little of Janis Joplin but no her voice was too clean, too clear and my God does she have some range and energy. She herself was worth the price of admission.

There was lots of surprises like breezing out of Dixie Chicken and into the Dead's Tennessee Jed. They did it such virtuosity that it was painful to have it end. Back and forth they went blending in and out of these two tunes. Did a wonderful verbal/musical tribute to Robert Palmer w/ Sailin Shoes that also merged into some tasty tidbit that for the moment i can't remember. On one jam they turned left into Stand up, Stand up, Stand up for your Rights. It was ecstatic in that hall last night.

Paul Barerre was laughin a good part of the show because the guys were playing out of their skulls, i mean really. Kenny Gradney was poundin the bass lines w/ perfection and skippin around the stage like a little kid. Paul Hayward was kickin ass on drums and it was kind of amazing to be talkin to him after the show by the touring bus - the guy looks ancient (he's older than you would think) but when they're on stage you don't the see the age other than you can feel that the years have added something priceless to the sound and the performance. This is vintage Feat, friends. A night to remember.

I couldn't believe my ears when they did their version of the Band's Rag Mama Rag not too long after their crushing delivery of "It's So Easy to Slip" The Encore was an extended medley starting w/ the most sublime version of Willin you'll ever hear that was sung (only at points because of how sweet parts of the song were) by everyone in the house w/ the band's blessings. It converged into Johnny Cash's Long Black Veil and ended up on the Band's classic, "The Weight."

Throughout the night there were indescribible passages into any array of music forms, dixieland, jazz, southern rock, etc and i can't even describe what Bill Payne was doing on his solos - there were moments that i was stunned, completely stunned at what i was seeing and hearing. At one moment w/ Payne it was total enchantment as he slipped into something using a synthesizer that filled the room and then gliding into sensual pieces of lyrical jazz that delight the soul. Then to listen to Bill Payne telling a kid outside of his tour bus about his years learning to play the instrument and his encouragement for the kid to keep playing, "experiment." My god the performance was all the motivation any kid would need.

So forgive me for indulging all you DanFans even though i am one of you. i have read references of late to the Feat in this Bluebook and i want you all to know that these guys are one of the best things that ever happened to contemporary music. And like SD they're still doin it !!! You feel privileged to be a part of it. No amazed. Shaun kept thanking the crowd after each number and people kept yellin out, "NO THANK YOU!

I wish i could remember it all cause talkin about 'it's so easy to slip' i seem to remember they 'slipped' into a number of undisclosed Dead tunes and plenty of the Band and i wanted to tell ya all about it but i'm gettin old and my memory's "slippin." At any rate, the following is the play list that speaks for itself...

Cajun Rage, Romance w/o Finance, Easy to Slip, Rock n Roll Doctor, Rag Mama Rag, Sailin Shoes, Night on the Town, Cajun Girl, Hot Tamales/Satisfied, Under the Radar, Takes a Lot to Laugh, Fat Man, Dixie Chicken, (encore) Willin, Long Black Veil, The Weight.

It is important to note as the MC mentioned in introducing the band that unlike many revivals this IS the intact (and still seminal) original band less one Lowell but w/ two incredibly sparkling additions.

Had to ask Richie Hayward out at the bus, "Richie, tell me truth, is it like this every night for you guys?" He smiled a wry smile and said, "Oh yeah" I told him i was screamin out for a second encore w/ "Oh Atlanta" and said that the show changes every night. They do em all and yet w/ all the 'covers' i've mentioned who knows what to expect. They keep ya squirmin w/ curiousity and dancin w/ delight.

Point is, if you remember the Feat from the days of old i'm tellin ya straight up - get on their website and pick your pleasure. Do not miss this tour. Find your Feat, y'all. Find your Feat.

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 11:31:37 ET
Posted by: J de Siecle, ...the neighbors are listening

Hoops, Gretchen -
Re the music business going to hell in a handbasket: I think the fact that most radio stations are owned by conglomerates like the evil force, Clear Channel, accounts for lots of the musical fascism. Clear Channel has even been buying up some college stations, the last bastion of non-corporate music, and these stations of course are now running everything from playlists.

It's frustrating because there is, in fact, a lot of exceptional new music being played, but rarely does it make its way to radio. Instead the airwaves are dominated by focus-group generated mediocrity -- not much gets airtime unless it has been boiled down to an innocuous common denominator level.

Ok, enough ranting for now.

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 11:07:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I just don't get it. Why in the world would they play The Last Mall in San Diego when they played it at the first show of the tour in Costa Mesa (maybe 50 miles away, tops)knowing full well that lots of folks were at the same show?

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 03:19:54 ET
Posted by: Eric, San Diego, CA

Wow, what a show!! Just got back from chula vista, ca show and it was amazing. Sound was awesome and powerful. Ted Baker plays the piano with authority. Keith Carlock is a monster on the drums. Great to finally see him live. They only played two songs from EMG, The Last Mall, and Godwhacker. Even so, everyone seemed to be having a great time. I cannot recall the setlist right now, as my head is still spinning from this wonderful evening, but I am sure I will later. :)

Eric

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 03:07:09 ET
Posted by: Laina, SLO

Randall, if you see this, can I get a link to your playlist? and does the link stay the same? I know this could have been an email. Oh well.

Lainalove

Date: Sat, September 27, 2003, 01:41:03 ET
Posted by: suedave, the emerald city

Hi you all!

Fun stuff here, great pictures Firemop! Love the fridge magnet too - want to trade for a contraband enGORGEment All Excess Pass?

How Long by Ace - I love that song! Many of you have really great memories. I'm impressed! I've been craving Poco lately - guess that must be one of my closet albums (even considering buying Poco on CD). I must have heard it recently on one of the oldies stations - I've been driving my fair weather car - without the CD player and pushing a lot of buttons. A lot of the same old songs on the stations around here too. Unfortunately I hear almost nothing from Steely Dan, I should call up my local SD station and request Pixeleen! I wonder what they'd say. I will give it a try.

My kids are not extremely impressed with what they play on the radio either. I doubt there'll be a huge jump in sales after the big crackdown either. Wake up music industry execs!

You probably all got yours but I just picked up the September Mojo in the store last week 'cause it has an article about Steely Dan. Have yet to read the article but it came with an interesting CD I listened to - the roots of Hip Hop....James Brown, Al Green, Blood Sweat & Tears, Kook & the Gang, Lee Dorsey and more.

Susan

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 21:53:51 ET
Posted by: Nazman, Soul Monkey Central

Will be seeing Little Feat live and in person in about 45 minutes from about row 10. Then next week Steely Dan at the Concord Pavillion. Ahhh, life is good...so good...

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 20:41:54 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

MAMBO

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 20:40:50 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Yes, since we're stretching it out from the 70s on

RIP Robert Palmer - just a touch of Dan in his soul...Ye never lived the rock excesses...naturally Keith Richards goes on...he and all five neurons...



Yes, Bill Payne and Little Feat is a great pick - one of my favorites...especially as Payne and Paul Barrere began to guide the band more. Payne also played keys on a number of Doobie Bros albums...the extended play of Cheat the Hangman was a stretch and segued into Talkin' it To The Streets...

Representing the Amabo, their second comeback album has 3 heavy Dan tunes: the title track Ingenue, and Silver Screen...a very underrated album...the band is extremely tight on that album having eschewed the loosey goosey shuffles of the Lowell George era..,

I agree, 1981's Pirates by Rickie Lee Jones has by the greatest Dan influence or sound of all her albums. Fagen played synth on one track...ironically Rickie's Walter produced album sounds less Dan-like

There's also Michael Franks who used many of the same players like Carlton, Sample, Breckers, etc...and Walter produced 3 songs on Blue Pacific - All I Need, Vincent's Ear, and Crayon Sun...

Joe Jackson has his own style, but share many of the same with Dan and there's a slight influence...his cover of King of the World is very fine...

Ben Folds is a personal fav and he has both Dan and Joe Jackson influences...of course he manages to merge virtually every kind of american music into his songs: Ragtime (ex. Boxing), 19th Century Western saloon (ex. Last Polka), Jazz, pop, Rock, a little grunge, R&B, gospel, and rap...All four studio albums with or without the 5 are good...Reinhold Meissner and Rockin' the Suburbs are probably the most complete, but who can argue with My Philosophy, Selfless, Cold, and Composed, Boxing, Underground (complete with Ghost of Marley chains), Evaporated, etc...

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 19:40:29 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street

Hi Bill! Thank you for the lowlow on Little Feat....Yes Gretchen I totally love "Sneaking Sally through the Alley"...what a great record as was "Pressure Drop"...the girl's booty on the cover of that one was truly sleek...It was cool to meet Lowell...his slide is probably the most incredible sound within the universe! Amazing how he could match pitch with voices, whatever...that was such a strange day...middle of summer 76...Bonnie Raitt was there and Freebo...
And George Plimpton passed away! Not a musician but quite a renaissance man. Sad.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 19:17:04 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Shufflin' to the Show

RE: BOZ
I caught Boz in San Diego in early August and highly recommend seeing his show...He's a true pro and his band is excellent, almost SD-ish in many ways...PS...Drew Zingg fills the lead guitar spot that Herington occupied on Boz's last tour...SOH

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 18:55:25 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Dear sir Rcazry: Weather Report is SD infected?????!!!!! Other way around - Actually it was Shorter's solos on Elegant People (on Black Market) and Palladium (on Heavy Weather) which caused B&F to try and get him for Aja. There is nothing in his Miles canon or his Jazz Messengers canon that is indicative of his rightness for that, and in most Weather Report except for those 2 tunes he plays soprano. His sound is totally unmistakeable and he was probably the only tenor player at that time of whom that could be said who was likely to play with rock n rollers (although, incredibly, Sonny Rollins played with the Stones; Michael Brecker hadn't captured his distinctive sound yet in 1977). Etc. Also is it not so that the use of percussionists like Badrena and Alex Acuna give WR a world music feel that is totally absent in Steely Dan?

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 17:21:02 ET
Posted by: Back In Vegas, Not a Gamblin' Man

Couple of Vegas SD articles:

http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2003/MERC-Sep-25-Thu-2003/22223079.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Sep-26-Fri-2003/weekly/22195081.html

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 16:50:05 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

The late Robert Palmer's backing band on his first CD was The Meters, with Lowell George on slide and producing. Sounded like Feat, though. His next two albums featured most of the Feat members and he recorded several Little Feat songs including Trouble, Spanish Moon and Sailin Shoes. I always liked his early stuff and I understand his latest one is quite good.

Meeting Lowell in front of Fredericks (featured on the cover of The Last Record Album) - how cool is that!! Never got to see him but I have seen the reunited Feat many times and met most of them. Truly a class act and very fan-friendly. They allow and encourage all kinds of live recording including soundboards.

Like SD, Little Feat has always been a "musicians' band" and all of its players are highly respected among musicians.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 16:38:14 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Bluprintblu,
It is very sad about Robert Palmer. He was so innovative and sleek. I loved his early stuff, Sneaking Sally through the Alley! All these musicians lately, it's spooky.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 16:16:43 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Davis, he's playin at the paradise rock club oct.12-14

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 16:11:24 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Boz playus Bozton Oct 12-14. He plays Chicago tomorrow night while I am in Vegas seeing SD. See http://www.bozscaggs.com/tourdates.php for all tour dates.

The Doobs are playing Vegas tonight and tomorrow while Michael McDonald is in Denmark, coming to the USA in October, including Chicago on the 25th. http://www.michaelmcdonald.com

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 16:09:38 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street

Gretchen, you continue to amaze me! Little Feat is my second fave after SD. I had the pleasure of meeting the late Lowell George in front of the Fredrick's of Hollywood in 76 when they got their star on the walk of fame. Juliette is also a song I love. Did you hear that Robert Palmer died today? Little Feat played his backup band on his first two albums....

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 15:57:14 ET
Posted by: Davis, Boston

Dave where is BOZ playing in Boston???

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 15:12:47 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Excellent!! Your lucky to at least be able to catch a Boz show on the weekend. We have to decide between sunday, mon. or tues. sigh...
let me know how his show was. here, or my email is dwellwood@whoi.edu

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 14:59:22 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

I am planning to go to Boz's Oct. 4 show at Joe's. There are 2 shows a night, one at 7 and one at 9:30. I'll probably go for 7, as I have to catch the train back to CT at a reasonable hour.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 14:51:36 ET
Posted by: Dave, Mass.

Dont know how this slipped through the cracks, but, I just learned that Boz Scaggs is playing in NY at a place called Joes pub?, from the 29th to Oct. 4th.
We are going to catch him up here in Boston about a week after that. If any of you NY area Danfans happen to catch a show, it would be great to hear from you.
"It aint nothin' but the blues"

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 14:17:52 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Faye- maybe we can exchange some info cause I only caught the last 45 minutes last night. It was Walt Weiskopf. They played some of his own recordings, quite tasty. He has a nonette(sp?) going to play some jazz festival in Rio after the tour, a septet as well, he's a Prof., he's a published author. He's working on a new set of songs for an album based on various painters' works. He's in his mid-forties. Very deep basso voice, I bet he can sing (most horn players can cause of that breath control). Polite, diplomatic, academic.

For EMG, he never knew he was going to be at the core of that cut, D&F sorta brought him along on a need-to-know basis on EMG which couldn't help remind me of the way Woody Allen works with his actors a bit. He said he had trouble with the R&B cadence of the body of the song and the solo bits, he's not used to playing that kinda thing. That great flourish at the begining of EMG he said he got down fairly quickly. That's more up his alley. Sounds like he's never rocked, he's a jazz player to the bone.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 14:02:28 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

I forgot about "Dinner With Raoul"! I have that one and totally agree.
I used to wonder if Stealers Wheel was actually ripping the Dan off with their name...
Who listened to the entire radio program lat night? What took place in the last hour or so? I faded.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 13:10:57 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Dont know how many of you watch Letterman on a regular basis. I have noticed the last 2 weeks each CD was indeed EMG by our boys. He never references what CD, he calls it "Late Night Music CD's" But no doubt it was EMG. Thought some of you would find that interesting. "

A contraire my egg roll rolling pal .

It is indeed a " Letterman CD Special " .

Spanky !

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 13:10:05 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Bill, thanks for the correction. I somethimes type faster than I think. Oblivion Express is a great album, all the tracks have that moody, fusion-y late 70's appeal.
How about Dan-type movies? I saw "Ghost World" recently and it featured the archetypical Almost Gothic/Negative Girl/Janie Runaway girls along with a guy who could be Lonnie. There was even an Everything Must Go scene. You have to see it for yourself. Also, "Pumpkin" with Christina Ricci-a sorority girl gone crazy. Campy, but definitely Dan material there.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:56:45 ET
Posted by: Dave, Mass

Dan-like tunes, How about "Groovin" by the rascals, also featured on the NY Rock and Soul Review. Also surprised no ones mentioned Van Morrison, maybe "moondance" or "brown-eyed girl"?
Yes, also, sad shame about Robert Palmer. I can remember way-back doing a strip act at my college bar to songs like "Some like it Hot, I didn't mean to turn you on, and Simply Irresistable". His music will always hold a special place for me. and before you guys get all over me, it WAS a tastful event, used to raise money for a local charity.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:55:03 ET
Posted by: R U Schur,

Are you schur about that? The Late Show CD also has a very dark photo on it's cover.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:51:02 ET
Posted by: davis, Boston

Dont know how many of you watch Letterman on a regular basis. But usually just after each monolouge he goes into the audience and plays these silly games like "Stump the Band" and "Will it Float" In anyevent, they always provide each particpating member with a gift certificate and Music CD's. I have noticed the last 2 weeks each CD was indeed EMG by our boys. He never references what CD, he calls it "Late Night Music CD's" But no doubt it was EMG. Thought some of you would find that interesting.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:49:02 ET
Posted by: (*)(*), inside

I saw Donald Fagen in the late eighties a few times when I worked as a host for a few restaurants in Manhattan.

I made mention how The Nightfly was my defacto CD for the restaurant when we had private parties and I could spin some tunes. He smiled and essentially walked away.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:44:10 ET
Posted by: Broadway Dave, Alabama

How about Ben Folds?

If you listen to his album "Reinhold Messner" it sounds dangerously close to the dan.


Ben covered Barrytown as you know for the MM&I soundtrack.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 12:41:27 ET
Posted by: Rcazry, nyuc

70's dan-infected music

Roxy Music - Avalon/Slave to Love

Weather Report - Black Market
Weather Report - Heavy Weather

Jackson Browne - The Pretender

Some Paul Simon tunes


Mark Knopflers album Sailing to Philadelphia has a song called "el macho" on it and it sounds a little like an ode to Gaucho.

Rock on.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 11:38:32 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Dan-esque music from the 70's:

The entire "Dinner with Raoul" album by Bliss Band, produced by Skunk and featuring some SD sidemen including Michael McDonald. Paul Bliss was a British singer and pianist very strongly influenced by Donald. Their second album without Skunk at the helm was weak and had no noticable SD influences.

It was Brian Auger and the Oblivion Express, not Brian Eno (who was ex-Roxy Music and is mostly known as a producer for U2, Talking Heads and others). Brian Auger had a song called "Happiness is Just Around The Bend" that came out around the time of Countdown to Extacy and had an electic piano-based riff and jam very close to "Your Gold Teeth (I)".

More Little Feat: Gringo (from the 80's Hoy Hoy collection) and Representing The Mambo (title track, 1990). Keyboardist Bill Payne often acknowledges his SD influences.

What about self-proclaimed major dan-fan dude Joe Jackson? His big hit "Is She Really Going Out With Him" has a lot of "Everyones Gone To The Movies" in it. He covers some SD in concert.

Rickie Lee Jones' best album Pirates has a heavy SD sound to it, especially the drums, keys and horns. Again, it was past the 70's, so it may not count.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 11:23:28 ET
Posted by: kram-so long simply irresistable, vt

i'm sure that there is nothing rong w/ posting our appreciation of a great talent-
Palmers earlier work with Little Feat (sailin'shoes) was very hip and his last album drive is also a fine piece of music- what the hell is going on in the music industry-they're droppin' like flies

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:56:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Robert Palmer was great stylist. Bad Case of Loving You is right up there with the great rock groove songs of all time. Suit man is dead.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:40:50 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

2 by Little Feat I forgot to include:
Red Streamliner
Juliette

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:34:01 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Joey-Phoebe Snow does have the female sound of Dan song on Harpo's Blues. "

You make an interesting point oh " snarky " one ................

Actually , I was going along the lines of Carole King too .

Snarky !

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:16:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Joey-Phoebe Snow does have the female sound of Dan song on Harpo's Blues.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:14:23 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

70's Dan sounding songs:

It Keeps You Runnin' & How Do the Fools Survive-Doobies
Sea Level's Cats on the Coast album
Star by Steeler's Wheel
Boz Scaggs Down 2 Then Left album
Brian Eno and Oblivion Express

Very sad about Robert Palmer.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 10:05:54 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" OK, pursuant to a recent chat in the Green Room, the floor is now open for a song from the 70s that was not a Steely Dan song but sounds like one/coulda been one/shoulda been one. I say Jackie Blue by Ozark Mountain Daredevils. "

My list :

" How Long ? " ( Ace aka Paul Carrack )

" Chuck E's in Love " ( Rickie Lee Jones )

" Lowdown " ( Bozz Scaggs )

" Lido Schuffle " ( Boz again )

-- any Boz Scaggs !

-- any Al Stewart

" Poetry Man " ( Phoebe Snow )

Ah , I am just kidding about that last one .

Snarky !

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 09:44:16 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

"Seventies song(s) that stylistically sound reminiscent of Steely Dan"? I'll throw one out for that one:

Seals & Crofts - "Diamond Girl" (1973)

Incidentally, Steely Dan later used many of the musicians who played with Seals & Crofts on their sessions (Jeff Porcaro, Michael Omartian, etc.) For those familiar with the aforementioned tune, Louie Shelton (who now records jazz under his own name) plays the clean, jazzy lead guitar work-

"I remember when life made more sense..." - Van Morrison, 'Take Me Back'

Randy / NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 08:54:17 ET
Posted by: rcray, london

Robert Palmer died.

RIP>

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 08:26:29 ET
Posted by: lucky henry, be there now

Boys and girls,

Splayed across a photograph of Veterans Stadium on the front page of today's Philadelphia Inquirer is a big red banner with white letters reading: "Everything Must Go".

The photograph does not appear with the online article regarding the Vet yard sale at: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/6862676.htm

Add to the list of area businesses unwittingly advertising our prescient pop idols' latest greatest:

Furniture Interiors (Roxborough, PA)
Drug Emporium (PA area stores, though the banner reads: "Liquidation Sale" and still looking for the "EMG" designation)
a small furniture and decorative accessories boutique(AC boardwalk)
- the name escapes me>

lh

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 02:12:07 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Can't Hide Love - Earth, Wind, and Fire

After the Love is Gone - EWF (written by Jay Graydon)

Still Crazy After All These Years - Paul Simon

Miss Sun - Boz Scaggs (check this one out - Jeff Porcaro plays a shuffle that's similar to the original version of 2nd Arrangement...only a 15 sec clip of a semi-finished version out there...the longer version is the Wendelized remake which was scrapped...

LowDown - Boz Scaggs (Wide mouth BASS fishing)

some of the non-hits on Talking Book - Stevie Wonder

Makes the World Go Round - Stylistics (produced by Thom Bell)

I'm Gonna Love You - the Doors (dunno why... the horns with Manzerek's keys)

really many of the rest are TV theme songs:

Theme from Baretta

The Rockford Files

Hill Street Blues - Larry Carlton may play on HSB and Rockford?

Starsky and Hutch

pretty much any cop show except Barney Miller...

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 01:56:15 ET
Posted by: Reilley, southern Canada

Hello, brethern & cistern... if anyone is going to see the Dan in the next few days.. could you plase be so kind as to drop me a line. I uh... somehow missed the merchandise booth at the Toronto show - I thought it looked like an airplane hanger full of apes, now that I think of it - and now I've taken a vow of nudity until I get a current Dan tour shirt.... and it gets cold up here in October. See what we can work out... Thanks
R

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 01:51:13 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Aunt: We're showing our age... or something else...I bet most college students today think it has something to do with fashion design and MTV...I'll take a survey tomorrow...

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 01:45:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I agree mostly, so here's my 70s songs:

Baker Street
I Am So Into You
South City Midnight Lady
Black Magic Woman(think of it in tandem w/Do It Again)

They're close but not even close.

Date: Fri, September 26, 2003, 00:05:35 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

I got the Chicago Manual of Style joke, but hey, I figured that everyone here did!

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 23:49:26 ET
Posted by: DACW,

ScottyA: That would be the Atlanta Rhythm Section who were formerly the band for Dennis Yost and the Classics IV (Stormy, Spooky, etc.)

The McDoobies China town and much of Livin' on the Fault Line has some Steely sound naturally

Ambrosia had a touch, then Royce Jones was in that band...

There's was this group called Player that had a Do it Again Latin thing on a couple of songs

Sneaker..but Skunk produced that and they covered Don't Let Me In

Eye to Eye - well Katz produced and Fagen played on both albums


I thought one or our erudite DanFans would have caught the joke on the ODP pics re: the "amenities" that Cindy Mizelle, Carolyn Leonhart, and Cynthia Calhoun were reading? The Chicago Manual of Style...the Bible of English Language style and grammar of all things written technical and otherwise put out by the Modern Language Association (MLA) published at the University of Chicago...ABSOLUTELY RIVETING!!;-) sounds like Fagen's joke, since he was an English major...<p>...Damn, that thing could kill a good sized badger...I wonder if how many times the Syndicate used the Style Manual as a blunt instrument?!<p>THAT'S CHICAGO!!..a VERY dry chablis while mulling over that one, ladies!!

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 23:39:18 ET
Posted by: Buckaroo, L.A.

12 Goucho Amigo neighbors called my bluff offer to take them to see my favorite band and will be going with me on 10/01 to Universal. $ 2600 on the Amex and we are in the pit . My wife is pissed . By the way, prices are higher this time around than last.

The last time I recruited (was it the Greek or the Hollywood bowl ?) 3 buddies were hooked line and sinker after Green Earrings -second song I think.

This should be a slam dunk !

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 23:11:04 ET
Posted by: SCOTTY A, C-BUS

Not sure of the artist.. song is called "So into You" .. me into you you into me, me into you etc

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 22:42:40 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, west of Wrigley

70's Danlike?? Anything by Jerry Rafferty or Steelers Wheel

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 22:09:42 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, starting the projection machine

Joey!
I see you are using my "snarky" as your alter ego now, hmmmmmm?

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 22:08:21 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

OK, pursuant to a recent chat in the Green Room, the floor is now open for a song from the 70s that was not a Steely Dan song but sounds like one/coulda been one/shoulda been one. I say Jackie Blue by Ozark Mountain Daredevils.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 22:03:19 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Cool show...fun listening to all the performers and hearing how much else they have going on.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 21:58:32 ET
Posted by: Felonius, Streets still unseen

Rajah - thanks for responding. Since hearing the strings on Through
With Buzz, I've often wondered how an acoustic band with string
accompanyment would sound. Visualize hearing Third World Man with
cello, viola and violin. Yo Yo Ma could do the (guitar) solo on
cello. Blasphemy? Well maybe, but hey, on the couch tour, maybe the Kronus Quartet could accompany our boys on a few songs! I'd pay extra ;-)

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 21:51:45 ET
Posted by: Roy.Scam, hurricaneville, virginia

South of Hollywood~ Thanks for the tip on the JAZZ 88 program (now interviewing Jim Pugh). Takes a few minutes to establish the internet hookup but well worth it. If you're in the Southwest, tune in FM 88.3 in SD (that's San Diego, not Steely Dan).

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 21:26:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Newsflash: they rehearsed Cuz DuPree for 20 minutes at the Atlanta soundcheck. Huh.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 20:52:16 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, The Southland

FYI...At 6 Pacific time there is what should be a great program on www.ksds-fm.org featuring live interviews with various members of the Dan band, including some of their solo work as well as SD material...If you can pick up the stream, check it out...SOH

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 19:42:38 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

The new Rolling Stone (with Johnny Cash on the cover) has a nice little piece on SD with a photo and some quotes from the NYC homecoming shows, with particular mention of performances of EMB and Gina.

There's also a nice full page ad. From MCA. For the SACD version of Gaucho. Reprise, are you paying attention?

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 17:39:38 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Only 8 more shows, liblings!

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 15:42:48 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" OK looks like Donald is getting compared to Ray Charles more and more, not so much for sound of course but performance style. Let's hear him sing Georgia on My Mind, Cryin' Time and Hit the Road Jack. "

Yeah Rajah , but you will NEVER hear Donald bray out whilst on stage : " I can smell your feet !!!!! "

That is what Ray Charles used to say everytime he was performing and pot smoke used to waft under his nose : " I CAN SMELL YOUR FEET !!!!!! "

Ok , I stole that story from Pete Townshend at last year's DENVER WHO gig . Speaking of Denver , I guess they " Papered the House " at last month's Steely Dan concert there at Fiddler's Green ( capacity 18,000 ) . Personally , I have no problem with it .....and you ?

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~78~1641120,00.html

Snarky !

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 15:35:50 ET
Posted by: k r a m , the best and only state - DEAN country!

my son says "underwear are fun to wear especially if they're thunderwear" - now onto danski -i was pissed when i found out that they did "daddy" in the last show- i would have loved to hear that one- not sure about walter singin it- ...go dann

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 13:02:23 ET
Posted by: T.O. Danfan, Toronto

Saw the Toronto show and the boys and the band were truly in fine form. When I see my favorite bands in concert I like to make a CD after that follows the set list. Does anyone know a site or link where I can get the Toronto set-list?

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 12:07:59 ET
Posted by: RCray, West Palm Beach

Got drunk on wine last night and played Donald Fagen's composition on the Yellowjackets "Shade" album. Not bad. It is written in that sinister sounding "D" chord Fagen always talks about..I think. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

Also, George Carlin rips on Steely Dan in his HBO special.

That's it...I am off.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 12:06:25 ET
Posted by: Man with no face,

The new full stage pics on the steely dan official site http://www.steelydan.com/Images/emg/pics/stage/index.html are, I am almost sure, from the Atlanta show. Are those monitors hanging down part of the touring lights/stage set? Awesome. I now have new wallpaper.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 11:41:41 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Here's what the Arizona Republic had to say about last night:

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/music/articles/0925steely25-CP.html

OK looks like Donald is getting compared to Ray Charles more and more, not so much for sound of course but performance style. Let's hear him sing Georgia on My Mind, Cryin' Time and Hit the Road Jack.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 11:28:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Felonius - never heard of any such project but I think it would be just awesome. Now I don't think the heavily blues based numbers would work. Chain Lighting, Daddy, Gina, Jack of Speed, no. Dirty Work, Rikki, Rose Darlin, Major Dude, Aja, EMG, Gaucho even, yes.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 11:05:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

I wish I were going to Hawaii. (sigh)

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 10:44:27 ET
Posted by: Lonnie the Kingpin, Scottsdale

To answer the question about the Phoenix set list, it was the same as ALBQ except the boys did not play EMG after LWG but they did the full boat of encores, the usual MOS and FM. Jon H. was in a zone last night and just crushed the solos on HD, Kid C, Peg and DTMA. I have seen many solos from him coast to coast this year, but he really tore it up last night. Walter sounded great on Daddy -- especially the line about Daddy "coming" (with WB doing the fist pump a la Billy Crystal in "When Harry Met Sally") -- very funny. Donald was in great spirits -- especially because there were no nasty bugs swarming on him (unlike in ALBQ). Dodge Theatre is a beautiful new indoor venue with great acoustics -- WB commented that he was "duly impressed" with the Theatre. Same for Boz Scaggs when he was just here. The 5,500 seat Theatre was jam packed with Dan fans!! First time in Phoenix since the last show of the 1994 Tour -- that ain't right -- they are always well supported here. A friend of mine in the band told me that only one encore was done in ALBQ because some in the band are feeling under the weather with colds and what not -- plus the bugs were driving the band crazy.

Lookin' forward to Vegas to see them Show Biz Kids one final time this glory summer/fall.

Lonnie

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 10:42:27 ET
Posted by: Felonius, SXSW

In regards to the question of David and David, I know one of
the Davids, David Baerwald, moved to Austin last year and was
playing around town a little. Since then, I don't know.

Adding to the chorus, the Dallas show was superb, what a dizzy
weekend!!

As a violinist, I've often wondered what an acoustic string based
SD tribute would sound like. Has anyone ever heard of such
a project?

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 10:14:39 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, SLC, Utah

Anyone know the set list from Phoenix last night? Any idea why they only played one encore song at Albuquerque?

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 09:58:32 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, grinding through my day gig

Talk about embarassing CD's - I was going through my collection the other day and found "Digital Underground" from 1990! I hate to admit it, but some of it still sounds good! Dowhatchalike!

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 09:37:00 ET
Posted by: Nazman, Soul Monkey Central

Albert
May i be one more to indulge you. That was wonderful writing. Brought tears to my eyes as you closed w/ the joy of seeing your lovely wife immersed in bliss at being in the company of her music masters. I, too, thank this company of DanFans. I wanna keep drinking from this cup. For many, many years to come (my little 2vsN DVD sure helps, it's an instant classic for any collector!). I still have a show coming up next week in the Bay Area (saw them early at Konocti) so the excitement continues to build. I always hope the crowd is ready. SD will deliver but it helps sooooo much, as Rosedale (for one) indicates, that the crowd is ready to make it a show to remember. This is quite a love affair. And for all the right reasons!!

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 09:20:58 ET
Posted by: angel,

A little bare midriff on the cover, would have helped sales.....now who gets that task, lol

When I called a radio station in the mid 70's and asked to have "Legend of a Mind" (by the Moody Blues) played, I was introduced to the fact that there are playlists at stations and you don't fool with them. Of course I got the song anyway, since the DJ was in my college classes and it was graduation week, but that's another story.

All my Al Stewart stuff is on LP, so I can't comment on the lisp thing. Record player does not work in this house and no money to put into it getting fixed.

Broadway Steve: Looking forward to a contribution from you this year. I loved your "Caves" interpretation. Stripped down to the basics, but haunting.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 09:02:00 ET
Posted by: kram, drinkin in the sheaths

uh huh - kids are listening to lots of beatles-jt-dan- my kid is way into george jones (course i pushed that on him)- a good song is good song - with the same three chords you can only do so much -i mean what the hell is rap?? I bought a couple eminem cd's and he's a little angry- ah the angst of being 24.. God bless Neil Diamond and Al Stewart - go dan- go dean!
rambling in vt

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 08:56:19 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @indallas still

SOH!!!!!
e-MAIL ME regarding arrival and whereabouts in SD at Coors.

Ed (wanting to go to HAWAII BADLY) Beatty

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 06:53:56 ET
Posted by: duncan,

what, something bright & catchy like ...aja

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 06:21:14 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Uh, hello...radio play has nothing to do with musical content at all but rather what is going on in pop culture and what is happening in the streets and clubs at the given moment. The music business is not about music. We would be better off reading books on positioning strategy in marketing rather than making the airplay question a musical discussion. And the first rule of selling CDs is, don't have dull black and white cover art with tiny letters that are hard to read.

Date: Thurs, September 25, 2003, 00:48:02 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, blissful in Bethel

Way to go Gretchen-I am a big Yankees fan as well. I had such a crush on Bucky Dent back then, and I played shortstop for my softball team so that became my nickname. Now only Zim still calls me Bucky!

Kid Clean-I could envision your "couch set". Perhaps a Steely Dan Unplugged could be in the future? GREAT idea!

The biggest obstacle to radio play is that commercial d.j.'s have almost no freedom to play what they want like public radio d.j.'s do, and the people who decide what will be played have their decisions driven by record companies looking to suck as much life (and dollars) out of an artist as they can. Since Steely Dan isn't MTV material, doesn't get naked and sleep with Britney Spears, or promote "win-a-date-with Donald & Walter" (sorry Gretchen!), they are not seen as viable "income generators" and therefore are not given priority for airtime. Who needs Top 40 play anyway? How many times I hear Steely Dan on the radio doesn't change my enjoyment of them one bit!

Zim-the master's thesis is in!!!!!!

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 21:01:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Buck - I'll drive the Chrysler.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 20:19:26 ET
Posted by: Buckaroo, L.A.

Time for the Westcoast Offense...

Grapefruit Wine and Dumplings Party at Party at Mr. Chow - -10/02 ???
Who is in ???

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 20:18:49 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Al Stewart had such an horrendous lisp it was practically a speech impediment. He made Boy George sound macho. I just tried to play it, Time Passages. Angel, it's an embarassment, he needs Hooked-on-Phonics.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 20:06:31 ET
Posted by: angel,

Molly (Calif): My husband came running into the room on Sunday night and said that they played "Reelin'" during the promo for "That 70's Show". This was during the Emmy's telecast, so that was nice to hear. Of course, I didn't get to see it.

I like Al Stewart.... :-)

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:44:52 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, the triangle across from Good Morning America

I was very pleased to see the giant sized announcement about the resurrection of the Decade Steely Dan Fan Compilation project. I will be proud to submit a track for inclusion.Thanks for staying motivated.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:25:15 ET
Posted by: dbeefy, drinking Scotch Whisky all night long

david and david??!!
I've been wondering about them since the mid 80s, if anyone could shed any light it would be MUCH appreciated

...miss christina got a 944 ...

only lyrics I remember but they went on to do Tuesday Night Music Club with Sheryl Crow (?)

dbeefy

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:22:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

H - quite right, the kids do know the songbook stretching all the way back to the Beatles. Remember the so-called "generation gap" we used to talk about between us and our folks' generation? The kernel of it was that they didn't understand us when really that meant that they were not prepared for that radical degree of change, freedom is better, from that scary repression of the 50s. They were afraid of us. Very afraid of a generation so willing to tear down all the rules, which we have, which we did. I don't see that gap anymore between us and the kids. I think the generations now understand each other, maybe we don't like each other all the time, but we get each other. The, or if you're feeling proprietary, our music was a big part of that whole thing.

I think I have the next big cross-generational thing now give it a chance: Don & Walt hosting an MTV2 talk show, kinda like MacPartland, where they play a coupla tunes with say, Blink 182, no they're almost too capable, say Sugar Ray, then after commercial, our Boys fire somebody's sorry ass from the band cause they're hopelessly substandard and they tell you so.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:20:45 ET
Posted by: David + David,

Check out this Rolling Stone Review of "Boomtown"


Sounds an awful lot like the stories in Steely Dan songs.

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/cd/review.asp?aid=53611

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:20:03 ET
Posted by: David + David,

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:16:49 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Every so often, the David + David album "Boomtown" comes up here and a group of Danfans have fond things to say. Whatever happened to David + David?

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:09:35 ET
Posted by: dbeefy, honestly

embarrasing cd's. ok ,what about
Twisted Sister, Wang Chung,Teen Wolf, Night of the Comet Soundtrack,(2 from the much missed Atlantic Releasing Corp)

(a child of the 80s)
dbeefy

ahem, back to the dan

I might have mentioned To Live and Die in LA but the Wang Chung reference was enough. Try looking up Mike Jittlov on google instead :)

the wizard of speed and time.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:06:30 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Molly and everyone else.

There are about 70 people signed up to find out about the LA Area Danfests next week (potentially three ofthem right:?)

Get on over to http://www.dandom.com/danfests/la and sign up for the list for LA area. Ya!

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 19:05:25 ET
Posted by: molly again, CA

has the "That 70s Show" promo music been discussed yet? Thought I had seen it mentioned here way back but I actually heard it last night on the season premire promo...one of those nice little dan suprises that pop up now and then unexpectedly...

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 18:48:10 ET
Posted by: molly, CA

Ok-quick interjection here-time to get the party started....
Aside from Laina, is there anyone out there that is going to the show Sunday in Santa Barbara-there's no Danfest yet so maybe some kind of pre-show meeting/gathering will do?
Let me know-I'm no organizer of any kind of fabulous fest filled with frothing libations and fun favors-just looking for show-goers with the same level of fandom...
later,mol

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 18:09:22 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Rajah:
What you mention about the generations and music has crossed my mind. But here's what's curious: my nieces and nephews buy as much—if not more—music by 60s-70s-80s artists. My nephews are into Steely Dan. One niece is hugely into the Beatles while the other is into Dean Martin. They are all in the age range of 12-18. They also collect albums by KISS, Doobies, Pink Floyd. Their parents don't listen to Doobes, KISS, Pink Floyd or the Beatles. Go figure. To be sure, the Internet has become the thing that has followed in the cross-generational appeal that the Beatles manifested in February 1964 in the USA. Who said it was going to be music—in fact, about 10-15 years ago, Ringo Starr even said there would be something else "cross-generationally 'big' "like the Beatles and it wouldn't necessarily be the Beatles. (He said that in a book with Elektra's Joe Smith.)

Ramblin' hoops

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 17:58:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Crackster - you are a very sage individual. Yes, of course, screw all the weird specters keeping me up at night, ya know the voices in my head, and just skip dimensions to second childhood. It's actually making perfect sense.

Mop - the crap I have in those record cabinets is nothing anybody would want. Let's see here, I see Al Stewart, Poco, Split Enz and My Life With the Thrill-Kill Cult. You can tell a lot about a person from their music and as I look at this collection of doo-doo, I'm thinking maybe it's time to go to the phone and call for the pick-up before anyone finds out. Yikes, it's that Pet Shop Boys cd. It's gotta belong to the kids.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 17:35:29 ET
Posted by: firemop, Dallas, TX

"BUT WHAT AM I TO DO WITH HERDS OF EMBARRASING CDS and LPS?"

Rip 'em and upload 'em! Give new life to "The Captain & Tenille's Greatest Hits" and contribute to the downfall of the RIAA and civilization as we know it!

-fm

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 17:23:27 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Rajah - I recommend skipping the midlife crisis and going right for the second childhood - it works for me. I recall when I was small that I only really liked jazz (not white big band) and the Beatles, some R&B, books, news, science, sports...later I was corrupted by the media, TV, white rock, hormones, Radio Radio, alternative...and confounding Catholic guilt


...now I like jazz almost exclusively again, don't pay attention to pop culture, ignore white music, and am waiting for the Church to ask me for absolution...


BUT WHAT AM I TO DO WITH HERDS OF EMBARRASING CDS and LPS?

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 17:11:17 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

I've hear The Last Mall ONCE on radio

Clear Channel and Time-Warner Without AOL or Ted Turner's stocks are both tanking now...

OPEC's squeezing the oil supply...until we Go Alaska, Florida, and fuel cells...

There's only ONE ANSWER: PIXELEEN!!!!!!!!

My test market of two kids (three if you count me) agree...

Owners have always been scum - it's about the team...Prior is God...so you're saying you're a Sox fan? well, we've got October...Prior, Woods, Zambrano - power pitching wins playoff series...and that's the last word...

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 17:02:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

No, 1963, I remember it well.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:59:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hoops & Gretch - doesn't every generation say the same thing? You know, that everything is going to hell? Our folks said it about Elvis and the Beatles, I remember Pop asking, "so, where's the melody?" Later, Disco was the ruination, that hung around for way too long. By the time Punk and New Wave sprang to life, we had lost a good percentage of the Babyboomers, you know, the people around our age who STOPPED listening to new music when they hit 30-something? They're the people you can hear playing Jackson Browne in the car next to you at the stoplight? Then came that Big Hair Band crap before Nirvana saved us. Now we have the Radiohead which I must admit I have to force myself to listen to at my daughter and son-in-law's insistence. I like em, yeah, but I don't LIKE EM like em. So I find myself returning to old friends like the Dan and the Allmans, playing a lot more jazz. All the arts are suffering right now under the stern tutelage of our corporate dictators and we'll remain at their mercy until the next generation blows them out with something new, vital and unstoppable. We haven't had that happen since December 1964.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:45:47 ET
Posted by: Masked Atlanta Man, Atlanta, of course

ATLANTA SET LIST

Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altimira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang of Ages w/Band Intros
Peg
Home at Last

Intermission

Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce sung by WB
Lunch With Gina
Parker's Band sung by Goils
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive

Encore

My Old School
FM

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:42:19 ET
Posted by: Connie, IN a vineyard

KJZY (Sonoma County, CA) plays The Last Mall at least once a day. I emailed them and suggested other tracks from EMG to play. He responded that it's how they format. They only play one track until it's a hit (???) and then others. He said he would listen to the tracks I suggested. That was over a month ago. Nothing's changed.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:39:41 ET
Posted by: David D, Atlanta

Saw the Atlanta show thought it was great. Does anyone have the complete play list from the Atlanta show?

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:37:43 ET
Posted by: davis, Boston

Actually Hoops I heard TIMTM, in the Irish Bar next to Le Bar Bat on 57th Street in NYC, and Blues Beach in Toys R Us, but thats about it. Nothing on the radio that's for sure.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 16:33:14 ET
Posted by: hoops,

I'm completely miffed—and I am sure others will agree—that the only place I have heard tracks played from EMG is THE STORE MUZAK at Home Depot, McDonald's, and Boston Market. Sheesh! Except for catching some tracks via webradio stations in San Fran and Seattle, I've not heard EMG tracks on any radio station.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 15:49:23 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Hoops, I agree. The music business is going straight down the drain. Everything sounds alike, one pop clone after another. There is no musicianship anymore, the popular "stars" are jokes, and the language is substandard gutter. All of these "divas" are just props for the record company, with no real depth, no musical talent. Even in the 80's, things weren't this bad. How long are people going to buy into this garbage? And why are these conglomerate stations not willing to "risk" playing a Pixeleen or Godwhacker? It's almost as if people were not given any options anymore, and what is to become "popular" is already selected before it's heard by the public. Musical Fascism.

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 15:28:46 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hey, ever since the Tribune bought the Cubs, I haven't followed them. The Trib are complete assholes. End of discussion.

It has the elusive guitar solo that Adult Contemprary needs to sell it. It's funky. It's got controversial lyrics.

What's not to like?

They have been playing TIMTM alot round here.....

Whomever chooses the singles for the Dan has been wrong so many times it's egregious.

Maybe Godwhacker should be released to the R&B stations...they would play it. I remember Hey Nineteen and Time/Mind being big crossover hits. Oh well, that's probably why I am not in the music business....or maybe that is why the music business is going down the tubes.

Done ranting...

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 14:38:33 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Rajah, Aja, Gretchen: may I recommend a quick, amusing read -

Joe Queenan's "Balsamic Dreams: a Short, but Self-important History of the Baby Boomer Generation"


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031242082X/qid=1064428279/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/104-2129167-8427915?v=glance&s=books

Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 02:21:45 ET
Posted by: Peg,

C @ work -

Uhum...like I said, those were my daughter's questions. She's only 8 yrs old an d just finished vacationing in Hawaii, where she enjoyed the beauty of the trees on the big island -- and then 2 weeks later was asking the question described. None of the questions went unanswered, but thanks for your help anyways.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 14:07:11 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, again,

An added thought: Way back in '78, after the playoff game was over, I remember WPLR in New Haven played "Boston Rag" as homage to the Sox. Thus, I always associated that song with the game. You'd never hear a station play that now, though. The average FM station has about 25 songs they play until your ears bleed.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 14:03:29 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Dave, don't all you Sox fans in Mass. call him Bucky F****** Dent? That's funny. Ah, '78. What a great season!

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:56:01 ET
Posted by: Dave,

Oh, and thanks for reminding me about the red sox/yankees circa 1978.
I think I just had a Bucky Dent flashback....noooooooo...

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:51:45 ET
Posted by: Dave, What's up Doc

Gretch, sometimes Pismo, sometimes he was just trying to get to the carrot festival in Coachila valley

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:45:53 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

Didn't anyone notice the little juxtaposition in that Arizona Republic article, hehhehheeee? To wit, "Walter, you sang lead vocals on Slang of Liars on the new album..." The guy must know his Walter to have let that slip?

Glad to hear that 40 is the new 30 -- I feel much better, having found myself 'up on the hill' just recently, since the Roseland shows in fact. Heading downhill fast now :P

CT

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:21:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

I don't know if I had anyone in particular in mind for the Deneuve-ish woman, just perhaps the idea that she's rather chic and sophisticated, sleek, but with a rather jaded viewpoint, someone you'd see at a smoky jazz club, perhaps tired of her life and getting the hell out of Dodge to pursue something of interest before it's too late. It won't be all about her, just the title track. The rest comprises different characters, all with his or her own story.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:08:58 ET
Posted by: Aunt Spelling Bee, Ruins of Santa Fe

Albuquerque

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 13:08:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretchen - sounds moody. And the Deneuve lady, she would be an alter-ego or archtypical of...whom? Needless to say, I like the "Buy Tickets on Board" title for a number of reasons. Very Danish.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:56:52 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, in the mire of aged yuppies

Rajah, Actually, I have a whole suite of songs. The album is titled "Buy Tickets on Board." I was inspired by a sign at the Old Saybrook pier. It is about different individuals, Dan like characters making last minute quick getaways from bad situations (and shady characters). It also features shady characters getting out of certain situations. The album cover will be black and white, a film noir style, with a Catherine Deneuveish person posed by the sign, in a trenchcoat, with a cigarette holder, looking out to sea.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:35:45 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Joey,
You can pick me up in an hour. I was beginning to wonder if you were real, or a figment of Rajah's creativity! "

Damn Straight My Princess your Joey is Real ! The Rajah is pretty damn compelling , but he can't take credit for everything -- or can he ????

Developing .............................

12:30 CDT it is then ...............How does " P.F. Changs " sound ?????? Excellent !!!!!! They have a " Three Happiness " to die for .............

And you are right ya know , 40 IS the new 30 .

Jacky !

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:33:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I do not posses the creativity necessary to generate a Joey, Gretchen, I assure you, this is beyond even the Rajah's powers. So what's the title to your skeevy office song? Every Major Dude Must Go?

Peter, never say never, hey, even Don & Walt returned....

I'm reading the LA Times review of White Stripes who are doing three shows at the Greek. The redoubtable Mr. Hilburn, by now a rock n roll legend as far as reviewers go (he's even older than us) rapsodizes about the Stripes and posits the musical question: will they crumble and whither under the weight of stardom ala Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails? In that same vein, did the resounding success of AJA spell the begining of the end for Don & Walt in their previous incarnation?

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:15:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Joey,
You can pick me up in an hour. I was beginning to wonder if you were real, or a figment of Rajah's creativity!

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:13:47 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

When Bugs took the wrong turn at Albequerque, wasn't he trying to get to Pismo Beach?

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:12:54 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Don't get me wrong, being hit on is OK if a decent person is doing the hitting "

How about lunch today ?


Joey !

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 12:09:15 ET
Posted by: Gretchen/Aja, steaming..........

Don't get me wrong, being hit on is OK if a decent person is doing the hitting. But not these married yuppified shallow Hal's. You have to see them to understand it.......they're just mean. Hell, SD could do a whole album about the antics that go on here. Maybe I'll write some lyrics. I even have a title for the whole thing.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 11:45:56 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

No more Meal Raj, it is out.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 11:43:49 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

OK, I'm ready for a new album now. How about every three months?

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 11:25:26 ET
Posted by: firemop, Dallas, TX

AJA -
It sounds like the guys in your office are giving the rest of us right wing extremist aging yuppies a bad name. What is so bad about being hit on? Geez, I would love to be hit on. I guess if I get rid of the Audi TT and the house on the gulf coast, and perhaps vote for liberal democratic canidates it might improve my chances?

(Tongue firmly in cheek)

-fm

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 11:02:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

AJA - sounds like the song is half written already. I'm reminded of "the dreary architecture of your soul" from Cuz DuPree. It kills me to realize how many people of our generation have gone over to the dark side, literally like Darth Vader. It seems all we care about are our SUVs, HDTVs, that house on the gulf coast and all our other creature comforts. It's like we know the price of everything and the value of nothing. We're all guilty of this to one degree or another, I suppose. But getting hit on, --- THAT'S gotta be disgusting and hilarious at the same time. It's all part of the begining of the end. Pass me a cobalt cigarette.

Lutz - I'm hoping Meali might return after a decent sabbatical period. I miss Barna. Alberquerque is funny because of the hard consonant sounds, e.g., Cleveland is funny, Cinncinati isn't, Cucamonga funny, Cicero isn't. Also, it's where Bugs Bunny always took that wrong turn, and we know Don & Walt are Bugs fans from the "be wery wery quiet' line in the Godwhacker. Don't take it personally.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 10:56:53 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, @dallas still

Diane Garisto is my alternate choice as a bare midriff backup singer who exuded a sensual mood.


Ed

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 10:44:55 ET
Posted by: Lutz, that super highway

Hey boys and girls, thanks for posting and entertaining over the past few weeks. I was sorry to 'meal reviewer' go, en mi cuntrie los hombres is not su much funni . . .
For some reason musicians like to make fun of Alberquerque like Donald did- check out Zappa's 'The jazz discharge party hats' (it's on the 'Man from Utopia' album)
What was the encouraging statement Walter made regarding the future of the band? I missed it.
The personal set lists look like fun - not sure how often Don and Walt check in though to actually change the shows...
Went to a couple of concerts early in the summer out west and was floored . But now Gina comes into play....
Is there any Danfest going on in San Diego or Vegas? I might have an extra ticket for Mandalay Bay.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 10:38:49 ET
Posted by: Aja, fuming at my desk

Rajah, I would love for Walt to get a look at the guys in my office. It would be interesting to hear his sarcastic, caustic take of these right wing extremist aging yuppies. They would be almost laughable if I weren't stuck in the middle of this vapid cesspool of Stepford husbands. Being hit on by them is no compliment either! Good material for a Dan song, don't you think?

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 10:16:28 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

BillyR - I don't know quite how to take Howard's comment. It's hard to imagine anything he says is totally complimentary.

Gretchen - Funny, funny article in the Arizona Republic. I think Don is being his old ribald self when he says now that Walter sings all that's left for him to do is fetch the snacks. Over the years we've come to understand and appreciate what Walt brings to the Dan, in the begining I must admit I had no idea what the guy did: he didn't seem to play much, he didn't sing at all, he was just a name on the writing credits. We do know now what Walter brings: a sense of danger, discomfiture, impending doom, illicit sex, life-threatening tales of drug abuse, all wrapped up in some of the most ironic post-modern poerty ever, rife with allusions to history, popular culture, teenage lore, science fiction and, of course, the apocalypse. Wooo.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 09:54:10 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, sick of my (expletive) job

What's the deal with Don and the gruyere cheese?

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 08:23:00 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Who would you say is the hottest Steely Dan Gal ever?
I think it begins and ends with Victoria Cave. Every time I watch the 2vN DVD, my sperm count is depleted that much more.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 07:03:23 ET
Posted by: BillyR, St. Louis

Rajah,

Now I took the Howard Stern comment as a COMPLIMENT. As the 40 year olds were bragging about making QUALITY music....Howard asked..."Who do you think you are? Steely Dan."

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 05:15:33 ET
Posted by: C @ Work, Barely Town

Uhum... Peg, there are Banyan Trees growing in Asia.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 05:11:21 ET
Posted by: Dr. Fill,

REMINDER

Get ready!
Postponed from Spring, it's the

10th Anniversary Dandom Compilation CD

featuring music of fans of the

Dandom Digest, dandom.com & The Greater Dandom

More details when the tour is over
If someone here wants to join, that would be great!

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 02:40:30 ET
Posted by: peg, san diego (except for today)

From Albuquerque:
Just a list for now; maybe Wormy will post the details later (and he'll remember every single detail, I know). I've got an early flight back to San Diego to face my "real job", so this will have to be quick. I hope I have this in the right order.

Started at 8:10-ish
Band playing intro
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
...DF making fun of being in Albuquerque...noting that "wierd unconcious things were appearing", including "rodies with glowing horns on their heads"...or something like that
Godwhacker
The Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Daddy Don't Live In That NYC No More
....band intros (why do each of the guys do a little solo when introduced individually, but the girls only wave and smile when their names are announced? More on that later, maybe, if I have an attitude and the time)
....lots of moths flying around the stage; DF making jokes about pausing to do a "bug sweep", and then engaging the audience in a discussion to tell him what kinds of bugs were flying around...everything from "BOGS" to "moss" to "floss"....he decided they were "oggs"...then WB said "nevermind about the moths"...and they moved on to
Peg
Home At Last
INTERMISSION
"The Steely Dan Show"????, complete with horn guys singing through their horn mics...way fun and cool
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Lunch With Gina
Everything Must Go (for those of you who know me, no, I actually didn't break out into tears as I predicted)
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
...the only encore was FM.... that's it. Done at 10:30 pm.

Can't wait 'til Friday in San Diego. Maybe I'll disappear from work and sneak my daugher out of school for a day to go with me to LA, too? Her latest questions:

If Banyan trees are in Hawaii, why is he singing about Chinese music and Aja (=Asia)?

and

If you're supposed to follow the laws, how come they're singing about making up laws and breaking them just because Josie is coming home?

and

Is Peg about you?

Special thanks to Becci (my sister) and Wormy (from New Orleans).

And that Keith drummer kid...geez, he actually had Albuquerque folks standing and clapping and screaming!

Hopefully more later - goodnight for now.

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 00:28:13 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean,

Damn, hit the wrong button, I wasn't finished yet.

I was going to post my experience of the Memphis show here but it was getting a bit to long winded so I'm sending it to the Digest so as not to bore anyone to death here.

Eric - Agree with you on Bumpus, I don't think he moves more than 2 inches in any direction once he gets in place on stage. He sure can make the rest of the world move once he starts wailin' though.

Peace, Love and Dan

KC

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Date: Wed, September 24, 2003, 00:00:36 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean,

Great stuff today....never fails actually.

I've been contemplating Hoops call for the ultimate set list. Not to be picky but he did say 'songs that they've played in the last ten years'. I've noticed some that haven't been played. No offense intended, I just get picky from time to time.

It's been a little dream of mine (and many others I'm sure) that they'd do 'The Couch Tour'. You know, small intimate club, Walt sitting on the couch strumming his guitar, a real laid back atmosphere with the paradox that the most intense, detailed sounds were being created. The set list would be virtually everything that they haven't played yet....Open with Razor Boy, Rose Darling, Turn that Heartbeat over again, My Rival, Negative Girl, Pearl of the Quarter....you get the idea. Still gives me chills thinking about it.
But to get to the stuff they've played list, not necessarily in order.....

Wetside Story
Reelin' in the Years
Black Cow
Glamour Profession
Boston Rag
Bodhisattva
Kid Charlemagne
Peg (yes, Peg, it's too damn good)
Jack of Speed (Walter singing)
Pretzel Logic

Midnight Cruiser
West of Hollywood
Deacon Blues
Green Earrings
Home at Last
Third World Man
Sign in Stranger
Any Major Dude
Babylon Sisters
Chain Lightning
Don't Take Me Alive

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 23:53:48 ET
Posted by: John,

Hysterical advance/interview in tomorrow's Arizona Republic: http://www.azcentral.com/ent/calendar/articles/0921steely21-CP.html

All best,
John

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 23:34:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Mopster - great effort on the pic I assure you; it and your account ring true. Very strong. Something timeless.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 23:21:25 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Dallas, TX

Howdy Danimals!

I'm glad you like the photos. I had a great time taking them. For the record, I was in Sec 102, Row D. When I entered the venue before the show the security folks wouldn't let me in with my camera. During the first set a "gal" (sorry - see below :) across the aisle started obnoxiously shooting flash pictures. The security guys were oblivious to her. I decided to tell a little white lie to the gatekeeper and go to the car and get my camera during the intermission. I walked in with the camera (Nikon 995) in my back pocket and the result was well worth the effort and subterfuge.

Here is the photo link in case you missed it:

http://members.roadfly.com/firemop/page_01.htm

Here is the design for my limited-edition Dallas Danfest commerative refigerator magnet:

http://members.roadfly.com/firemop/danfestmag.jpg

-fm

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 22:32:39 ET
Posted by: Scotty @ Work, Sydney

"....the Greatest Show on Earth....."

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Albert, thanks for sharing your experience.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 22:29:47 ET
Posted by: DACW - I got a name that's in blue,

h: yes, I'm sticking by the CUBS in the World Series prediction before the season right here on this board...Kerry (Phil up those Ks) Woods was dominant!


That's training table, not buffet - looks like a 3 course meal to me...


Hey, I thought Brother Michael may have been pumping iron and kookee here...I mean Cornelius "Can't" Bumpus, Walt "I Can Crush Ahhnold like a Walnut" Weiskopf, Michael "Corle-horn" Leonhart, and Jim "Slyde on Down" Pugh ARE "The Four Hornsman of Notre Dan!!!"

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 21:59:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Albert - great narrative, thanks.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 21:51:28 ET
Posted by: Jason, on the new wireless network

Firemop-

Great shots from the Dallas show. I love the one of Donald with the girls in the background doing "jazz hands".

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 21:49:15 ET
Posted by: Albert , Louisville

Memphis Tn. Saturday night

Wow ! What a Great night. Surrounded by my new found friends. 70 degrees F. . Clear skies. The smell of Memphis barbeque mixed with September air.

And …Oh yeah,,, up front for a Fabulous 2 hrs of Steely Dan delight.
It actually started a little before noon when we tried to get to the venue early to guarantee a good spot.

By the way …. Did I mention this was a General Admission Steely Dan show? Outdoors on the grass with blankets or chairs & as Close as you were willing to commit yourself to be.

Seeing how My sweet wife (who turned me on to The Dan a short 17 yrs ago) was ready to commit me when I wasn’t as excited about the 6-7 hr drive from Louisville to Memphis. Once we bought the tickets & got the reservations. We were committed to make the trip and embark on a Chance in a Lifetime Opportunity.

O.K. noon we were told no parking or hanging around until the event staff got there around 3:00. We hung tight in our car & met a great Gal named Lisa from Milwaukee & chatted out near the road until we were allowed back through the field to be the first to park & get in line…
Oops.. there was an event coordinator that said we jumped the gun. As our hearts melted from the fear that hundreds of Dan Fans were going to beat us to the punch ( Oh yeah, did I mention this was a General Admission Steely Dan show?) We were told to give them 5 minutes to get their “parkers” in place & they’d let us in. We felt a new sense of opportunity arising.

A couple other cars that were catching on to the idea that something was about to happen.
With Lisa in tow, they motioned to pull off into the grass & park, my wife got out quickly walked up to the elusive Starting line.

I parked with the other 3 cars close by and went to the official Squat point where we were then introduced to Chris (kid clean)& Tony (also from Milwaukee), Jeff from Murphreesboro, Tn., and shortly after met Joe & Debbie from the Memphis suburbs.

Folks, this is what the beer ads were trying to tell you about when the said “It doesn’t get any better” Can you believe that the first 20 or so people were in the shade waiting for the starting gates to open @ 6:30?

Conversation, a few chuckles, and many uncontrollable exclamations of how fortunate we few are to be first in line. Can you imagine sound check drifting clearly along the ridge as we sat dreamed of what the night held in store for us. At a few minutes after the announced time. The event staff began organizing the cattle gates to form 5 chutes which the 1st ten of us doubled up to occupy.

Our newly appointed strategist (Tony) came up with many nifty ideas to guarantee us all a Front Row spot.
However it came down to one thing. First come First row.
In fine Kentucky Derby Tradition,Tony secured the lead early.
And although few quarter horses can keep the lead at the Derby. The T-man took it & kept it to be the first person down the qtr mile stretch to stake ground & spread out the blanket (which I learned has quite a history in it’s own right).

Our ten were joined by a young filly that even beat her Bo to the winner’s line. I’m not kidding gang. It was a qtr. mile trek to the front of the stage & records were made Sat. nite in Memphis. The next 1.5 hrs flew by.

All the planning, driving, costs… nothing else mattered now. We were about to see the Greatest Show on Earth up front and personal.
I did mention Steely Dan show…. General Admission !!!

Overall an easy crowd, a good bunch of people there for the Dan. However, in light of the 8 hr wait, I did get a bit edgy as the show was coming to a close & our blankets filled with other fans inching up slowly.
What the hell, we’re all fans & it’ll be over all to soon.
My apology goes out to Keith whom I tried to run off. It was great… As I told him he couldn’t sit on my blanket, he turned to me with a Kind Smile and said “Thank you” .(Hope you got some good pics).

It was a beautiful night. I watched my number one Dan fan dance & soak in the presence of real masters. I was the happiest man on earth, Along with my friends.

Hey, did I mention Steely Dan, general admission. 2 hrs music on a ridge at Shelby Farms in Memphis, Tn.? Yeah ... I did.
And it was all worth it.
It made my fuckin’ millennium !

I Love reading all the posts. Glad you all are here.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 21:45:28 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Hello Gretchen did you ever get those CDs and what do you think of them? Where are the paintings?

If any of you guys have not checked out Broadway Steve's interpretations of Dan tunes, you must!

Re: sets. The more worn numbers are always going to be dominant because that's what most of the crowd wants to hear. The shows are being played, for the most part, for the casual listeners and not the hardcore groupies...and this is evidenced by the banter done by the leaders being the same show after show after show after show. Forget the songs, listen to the banter.

Re: whomever is posting about Cindy and the buffet table...wrong and double wrong. This lady is IN SHAPE and don't you forget it.

I want to elaborate more on Broadway's observation that most songeriters shy away from the very personal and SD's personal experience references. It's good! Parts of 2VN and EMG, for example, are so steeped in New York that they are almost incomprehensible to someone who doesn't live there...yet at the same time, the lyrics are so elastic that they allow you your own interpretation. This must have started shortly after B&F started reading Pynchon, but anyway, it is a general maxim in art that the more personal a story is, paradoxically, the more universal it is.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 21:09:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

That pic is a keeper. Herrington nid-wah. Amazing Mop. One for the ages.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 20:37:13 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

FIREMOP: RAD pics, dude - crystal clear...looks like the second set - Donald has that white dinner jacket

Hey, from that angle, that wasn't you in Section 102, Row K Seat 5 or 6 was it, with the camera and glasses???!!


Folks, this pic is from Haitian Divorce...note Jon Herington's foot on the wah-wah pedal...

http://members.roadfly.com/firemop/Steely.Dan.9-21-03.04.jpg


Ed: I believe that I was dreamin' Now I'm screamin!!! Yeah!!!!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 19:36:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

H - How'd they do it in 93? The Fez is indeed fun. I hear it played by Pretzel Logic out here and the players seem to be grinning the whole time, people do sing & dance and the lyric gets more bang for the buck than imagined, no pun, it's like four lines, right?

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 18:31:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hoops - now you're getting it, weighty, conflicted, depressing and borderline perverse: Greenbook! [1st encore] Yes.

Then, the only thing that could follow that particular kinkfest...Pixeleen. (you did say dream set)

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 18:15:09 ET
Posted by: h,

"a song with some weight to it, to remind us of serious, deep and abstract thoughts, then, wait for it.."


How about a song with even more weight and kick to it to so as to admonish and reprimand us, perhaps a dirge of some sort, as a mind-fuck, S & M-kinda of show and tell?

Seriously, though, Rajah reminded me of the first and second set overtures from the 93 and 94 tours which in fact in 1994 included an excerpt from "The Fez." Awesome!

jim

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 18:00:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Ok, I got it now - An elided version of The Fez as opener instead of Cubano Chant. Don and Walt could come on when the chorus sings, "No never gonna do it without your fez on." Seated/ready by "that's what I am, please understand." This song is a scream and I garr-on-tee the gals would be booty shakin at the speed of light, if you happen to like that kinda thing. Cause the one weird thing about AJA as it's being presented now is that everybody is up on their feet for it but, of course, it's isn't rockin so there's that problem of getting everybody's tush back to the cush. Do The Fez and let Gretchen & Crew get it out of their system.

1st encore: Gaucho or EMG, a song with some weight to it, to remind us of serious, deep and abstract thoughts, then, wait for it...

2nd encore: Everyone's Gone to the Movies

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 17:33:31 ET
Posted by: h,

Raj:

"Hello one and All"

Too literal, too obvious for SD.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 17:24:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Openers: King of the World (hello one and all)
Sign in Stranger
The Fez

1st Encores: AJA
Gaucho

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 17:18:42 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, "fall gal"

Thanks to all the Dallas Danfesters for such a GREAT weekend and yes, Rose Darlin' the fog has lifted somewhat, although yesterday was Danned iffy, fer sure.

It was wonderful to finally meet soooo many true Dan companions under the Banyan Tree. The weather was kick-ass perfect and if you didn't get enough libations, sensations and swag, well--I guess you need to go to another show. Only 10 more....Everyone Must Go!!

Thanks for the hospitality--Geoff and pals, Rose, Gloria, Firemop, Elaine, the RV crew, who were NOT impressed with my briefcase on their dining table, but tolerated it anyway. Too many other names and faces to mention, but thanks to all of you, too.

Wil and Lisa, great to see you again!! Keep the faith, buddy, and, Lisa, thanks for the shrinky earrings (would you believe that I lost one that night? Which is true to form....since so far I have left one earring in EVERY venue I have been to). Too much Babylon shakin', perhaps?

And what would a SD show be without the Wreck-less Crew? By my count, there are only 8 shows so far this tour that ONE of us has not been to, which to me is Fucking Amazing. I will look into rehab and group therapy for us all after 10/11, in addition to the bankruptcy planning sheets, which are available upon request.

Last, we missed you hoops! Thanks to Ed for being the phone sex conduit and the DD! Oh, yeah, I'll be lookin for that big smile on Wed., as well as an update on Friday from Coors!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 17:12:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, 60607

Guys and Gals, give it a rest.

I went and asked the academics amongst me at work and even they couldn't agree. Fascinatingly enough those amongst us who you might stereotype as "Renegade pinko lesbian sympathizers with sensible shoes" weren't offended by "gal" but a couple of conservative "Fox News Watcher" types were. And someone else though "guys" was even more offensive. Maybe a gender studies board will be better place to discuss, but so far, the term "gals" are used in the mass media and by women so let's just find another time, another place, OK?

Raj.
Can't see "Night By Night" as an opener. Starts too abrubtly, not as well known. Nope. It was great as the second track and second song as well.

Gretchen:
To emphasize, EMG would make a great FIRST encore. You're thinking like me tho, it wouldn't make a great final encore for exactly the reasons you state, and I have stated earlier when we discussed this topic a while back. The show would have end with something more upbeat. Unless "downer "is what they wanted. "Bad Sneakers" is probably my favorite Dan song of all, and to lend strength to your agument, it is the closer to 'Decade" (my least favorite Dan compilation but probably the most popular). HOWEVER. I think its ending lacks the energy and agressiveness I'd like as ending to "Decade" or to any encore sequence.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 16:47:21 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

sorry - what i meant was that "gal" is considered in bad taste in some circles - and yes i do feel that one of those girls in that pic looked "chunky" and as far as that goes Carlock has not been missing any meals either, and i still think hes a summer hottie

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 16:34:57 ET
Posted by: Gretchen ,

Hoops, don't you think ending with EMG might leave it on a sad note? I think Bad Sneakers would be an awesome ending, it's such a favorite, and the horn section could do wonders with it. It's also like a little tribute to their roots.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 16:34:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Kram - so let's review, I'm wicked sexist for using "gals" and you're...telling me Ms. Mizell needs to back off from the buffet? Who's zoomin who?

Hoops - Boston Rag was perfect as an opener, I think Night by Night would've worked as well, Green Earrings of course. Aja as an opener, I never would have guessed they'd ever do that. But man, it sure does get your attention. Closers are easier I think. MOS, KC, FM are no-brainers as far as that goes. I just think the shock value of a Doctor Wu upon a room full of us would take our heads off. Remember last time when they noodled around for about eight or twelve bars then opened up into "Dirty Work"? I remember saying something profound like, "oh shit". Never in a million years did I think we would ever hear that tune. That was thrilling.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 15:28:36 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

"gals" is wicked sexist...and the "female background singers" for SD are pretty groovy - one of them in the pics looks like she is hangin around the buffet table....

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 15:23:47 ET
Posted by: hoops, chitown

Gretchen exactly! And that reminds me when I went up a waist size, I thought to myself, 36" is the new 34" Or maybe it's just The New Denial.

All this discussion of set-openers, set-closers, and encores has me wondering: what is it about these songs that make them that? And can a song be arranged so that it is? For that matter, "Slang" and "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" have been rearranged to include a background vamp for the band intros.

Given my architectural background, I sorta envision a concert set list flowing from song to song in much the same way someone enters a building and moves from space to space...sometimes with a grand gesture and other times with seamless transitions. And of course, certain events mark entry to a sequence. Like a kind of entry way might mark a new space while an opening song might mark the second set or something.

While there would be exception--and such exceptions would be even cooler if handled well, it seems to me that a set-opener would grab your attention, etc. That said, I don't get a lot of these suggestions for encore, or set openers or closers. I feel like then encore is a little dessert, something to think about or better yet, leave you with an extra feeling about the show, a closer that might sum it all up concisely, or maybe be a little coffee afterwards. Maybe an exit sequence.

For me, "Bodhissatva," "My Old School," and "FM" all work well in this regard. I could maybe see EMG as the first encore, but it needs something else afterwards. I definitely don't get 2vN as a closer. Then again, when I heard "Boston Rag" was an opener, before seeing any 2000 show, I wasn't so sure. Then when I heard it, I realized it was perfect since the opening of "Boston Rag" builds with a grand flourish and counter-point up to Donald's vocal.

Any-who...those are some random thoughts, streams of unconsciousness.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:53:20 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Z - I assume by your " " that you take umbrage to my use of "gals". I was kinda hoping we were all past that correctness thing we all suffered through. Ladies and women sound so colorless. Steely Dan women are more fun than that, hence "gals". I do agree that chicks, broads and bitches are inappropriate(hate that word too). But "gals" has it's origins in our frontier tradition. A "gal" is all grown up but still girlish. A "gal" is capable AND fun, with a sense of humor, and a little coquettish. She might blow your head off with a shotgun if provoked, yeah, there's that, so you have to be careful. But she's also very apt to dance spontaneously. And "gals" are adorable and vital, in mi countri we love them. And most special of all gals, our Steely Dan gals right here on this board. You are delightful and the Rajah nuzzles all your toes collectively.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:52:54 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Lhasa

Rajah, when your stuff's as good as ours, ya gotta shake it, baby. And I'm only 40, which is the new 30.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:51:58 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, Lhasa

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:44:59 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, nyc

Live Albums:

4 way street - Crosby Stills and Nash

Blow your Face Out - J. Geils Band

8:30 - Weather Report

IMO Steely Dan should release a Live album that captures their inimitable style and that has solid performances of their songs.


(i.e. a Live version of Deacon Blues (in 93' in Auburn Hills, MI they did a version of this song that would blow your mind )

That being said, if they could incapsulate the tours of the past and find the definitive live version of 10 songs and release it that would be the ultimate.

Regards,
Rcray

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:42:09 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, adjacent to the pit

Ok, my personal choice(s) for great show-closer would beeee:

Two Against Nature
Show Biz Kids
Deacon Blues

On the current tour, I think that DTMA is actually the show-closer, My Old School is the encore, and FM... is the coda. I dunno. :P

CT, who REALLY better get back to work now.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:35:00 ET
Posted by: zim, on a chipmunk chase

We "gals" have an ability to multi-task on many levels, simaltaneously and quite proficiently, so dancing and listening are pretty much one task for us.

Oh yeah, and it's fun!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:32:37 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

Man, I can't believe Roseland was just 10 days ago. Time flies.

All this debate over live sets is most interesting. Live albums had a lot to do w/inspiring me to pursue the guitar seriously. My seminal live albums - Ya-ya's, Europe '72, Travels and Waiting for Columbus have all been mentioned. I'll throw in The Last Waltz, which is totally hypnotically inspirational - check out the DVD, it's so special! Also The Jimi Hendrix album, the dbl white one, with a lot of live stuff on it, from the movie. And the live Floyd movie in the Coliseum -- wooo.. that was pretty cool.

I also have been disappointed by the relatively inflexible setlists used by a lot of rock acts these days. But touring has changed a lot since the days when it didn't matter what song was next. Obviously it depends on the complexity of the show, but the band needs to have the right lighting, all the right patches called up on their keyboards and effects boxes and MIDI instruments - so much of the show is a ballet between the musicians and the technicians and the computers behind the scenes that you just can't wing it and still have a state-of-the-art rock show. There are clearly ways around it, and the jam bands have a more organic and less orchestrated presentation, but... all in all, maybe another way to put it is, you can't wing it when you're charging $75-150 a ticket.

As far as a new live Steely album (and I don't even have AIA, I swore off it because I missed the tour), I don't think Roseland shows would be the ones, sheerly because of the absence of les Leonharts. It would be nice to have a good document, though. Let's hope.

To dip in to the setlist discussion - Rajah, you like Peg that much? Wow. :) It has always been one of the few Dan tunes I actually almost dislike. I used to avoid listening to Aja or lift the needle when that song came up. I've come to appreciate it more since then, but it's far from what I would call an archetypal Dan song for me. FM is a much better song, imho. It's of a piece with stuff like Hey 19, the way I see it. Yes, I remember when it came out and the movie (which I never saw) which it was commissioned for - I still have my MCA 45 rpm single on which it was first released. I WILL agree that I wouldn't have picked it for the show-closer. I think they did it cause they can walk offstage during the outro. Oh, and yes they did Daddy Don't Live on the Y2K tour, at least at the Manassas show that I saw. One of MY all-time faves.

back to work.... bleah.

CT

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:26:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretch - well I'm engaging in a little hyperbole with "autumn". Although strictly in terms of life expectancies, I think the equation is pretty close, let's not kid ourselves. I'm 49. Feels like autumn to me girlfriend. Whatever, as long as we have Don & Walt, who cares about the calendar? And BTW, maybe you can answer this, what is it with you gals and the need to booty shake at concerts? One gets the impression that La Gretchen gets up and boogies at the string quartet recital during that Vivaldi encore. And another thing, how can you listen to the song and dance at the same time? It's like trying to remember the Pythagorean Theorem while smiling broadly. Go ahead, try it. Can't be done.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:12:20 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, The calendar says autumn, however......

Raj, autumn of your life? How old are you, man? I'm still mid summer. Autumn doesn't arrive until 60 or so! I'm trying to be positive here...

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:06:23 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Raj, WW is a lovely song, and I'd love to hear it live, but don't you agree that the night should end on a more upbeat tempo? It's the only time you can get away with dancing in some of these venues. I think a combo of Peg and Pretzel Logic might be nice, or replace one of those with Fez or Monkey in Your Soul. Something snarky.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 14:05:18 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Following up on the McPartland post, figures Keith Jarrett would blow her off but what's the deal with Stevie? I mean he found time to appear on Gloria Estefan's brand new album—why not do PJ?

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:59:20 ET
Posted by: hoops, the Glamour Professor??? HA!

Raj:
That's an interesting theory you offer about why they don't play "Dr Wu," Hmmmm...but then why would they play "Time Out of Mind" which seems to be in a similar vein (pun intended?)??

I stick to the theory that they simply haven't *yet* found an arrangement that satisfies them. IMHO.

Walt on *furture Dan albums*. Yes!

jim

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:58:48 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Y'know, I get such a kick out of watching Cornelius Bumpus on stage. He looks so stoic. There's not even a foot tap...NOTHING!! I don't think anything could shake the guy.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:35:19 ET
Posted by: Mike Fishman,

Trying to get in contact with diane de rooy.
Diane, Please e-mail me. Thank you. Mike in NYC

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:34:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

OK then, flip Doctor Wu and Here at the Western World, but no, wait. And Gretchen you will forgive me if I don't share your same sentimentality over the Yankees. It's all about you isn't it punkin? You are our precious gem here in the Bluebook and I nuzzle you for it, truly, but we need to dolly back to a larger world view, I think, when choosing the TRUE closer for our boys. Maybe we should consider a paradigm shift here in the autumn of most of our lives and entertain the thought of a DIFFERENT kind of closer. Western World is truly a great song. Yeah, it's melancholy to say the least but haven't you ever been to a show where they don't end it on a big upbeat jubilee ending? A different emotional experience. The way the Allmans chose Layla was inspired. The song is big and bold (and OK famous) but at the end it trickles down to that real mellow and melancholy little ride. Leaves you kinda pensive more than all buzzed up. I think Western World would do that.

I think I figured out why they don't play it and Dr. Wu. - reminds them too much of the heroin days, way too much for comfort. Course, Time Out of Mind is in that category too and they're playing it. Western World has some lyrics that are just stunning, the jewel in the crown being, "In the night you hide from the madman you're longing to be." Wow. Pretty much encapsulates all of modern psychology, move over Carl Jung.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:21:17 ET
Posted by: zim, watching the flooding streams in CT

ok BigFan-I emailed PLR, HCN, ZBG and 102.9 Springfield and requested Pixeleen.

Perhaps it should be daily? Wonder if they'll get it?

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:07:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Dave,
FM does have sentimental value for me. The summer that was popular, the Yankees came from 14 games back in the AL East to tie Boston, which led to the famous one game playoff, which, of course the Yankees won. That was a great baseball year, and FM reminds me of all of that. I agree with you on the extended version, as the horn section is superb.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 13:06:45 ET
Posted by: Dave, Mass

Oh, and I guess I would have to pick Pretzel Logic as my fav. SD closer

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 12:58:29 ET
Posted by: Dave, Mass

Hey Raj, whats the deal. First you blast the song FM as an encore, then you list western world as your pretend encore. Imho, FM is a much more upbeat closer than the lumbering WW.
I too bear similar whip marks on the set-list debate. but if the problem is that if people are tired of the same closer night after night, thats one thing. Being a big Allmans fan, I love the varied sets, and different strong closers (you mentioned layla, they have also finished with whipping post, one way out, southbound, and mountain jam among others).
FM is a good song. Period. but maybe not always as a closer, if it were played anywhere else in the set, it would hardly get a mention.
You also raised an excellent point that because it is not affiliated with any album, it just dosen't get any sentimental respect.
But...if the problem is with the song itself, may I suggest listening to the extended version on the Show Biz Kids comp. the extra horn sections make this song quite enjoyable.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 12:57:33 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, working with the boys upstairs

Firemop, thanks for such wonderful pix! Especially love the ones with Donald - he looks to be really into the music, like he was at Roseland.
Christine, you're not crazy!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 12:42:41 ET
Posted by: christine, MA

thanks ladies for telling me i'm not crazy! I'm still holding out hope!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 12:26:29 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Marian McPartland is playing "Jazz Showcase this Thursday through Sunday in Chicago. This past weekend, the "Chicago Tribune Magazine" had a brief Q & A with her about when she lived in Chicago, Bill Evans and more.

See http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/magazine/chi-0309210356sep21,1,1181854.story?coll=chi-leisuremagazine-hed

One EXTRA-interesting excerpt:

Rick Kogan for Chicago Tribune:
More than 500 musicians have been on "Piano Jazz" in its 20-plus years. Who hasn't been on that you really want?

MM:
Keith Jarrett doesn't want to be on the show. I need him more than he needs me. And Stevie Wonder. You can't get at him.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 12:21:40 ET
Posted by: Dallas Darlin', 48 floors up

Firemop, your photos are fabulous!!! I especially love the ones with Donald and The Girls. Viewing these, I am reminded of how much I enjoyed the lighting and graphics in addition to the music.

Thanks for sharing! Love Ya!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 11:48:10 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Dallas, TX

O.K. Dan fans, submitted for your viewing pleasure, a few photos from the Dallas show on Sunday...

http://members.roadfly.com/firemop/page_01.htm

Enjoy!

-fm

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 11:19:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

That comment by Walter is encouraging, I must say. These guys should keep recording till they croak but, realistically, I think it might be a few years before we see another album.

Howard Stern took a poke at our boys this morning when interviewing some crony who happens to be 44 years old and related that he liked to write songs with his buddy, also in his forties, to which Howard retorts: you mean at your age you still write songs and play them in your garage? Like Steely Dan?

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 10:25:01 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @still in dallas at a class

Dacw,
I heard the same statement about future albums from Walter.
It made me smile...

Ed Beatty

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 10:06:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

...........Let me not forget to add, Don is the sexiest man alive in my book!

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 10:05:06 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, If I had my way I would move to another lifetime

Christine-
There is nothing strange about your attraction to Don. I know that girls your age wouldn't normally be drawn to a 55 year old, but I think you probably love the music so much that you are projecting the positive energy and joy that you feel onto the creator of the music. Don is very unique looking and charasmatic, retaining an air of mystery about him. It's very normal to be drawn him. I, on the other hand, have been listening to the band since I was 10, when the first album came out. Their music has provided a backdrop for me for 30 years, and I only enjoy them more with time. I've always admired Don for his talent and intelligence, his immense creativity and capability to perform with such profound emotion. And I find him incredibly attractive. He is definitely someone I would love to meet. Imagine the conversations you could have with him? I'd love to know what he's reading now, or what he'd reccommend. And he must be such an expert on jazz, it would be fascinating to see his album collection. I think Don is so influential he can spark an individual's creativity. Oh, if only he were my piano teacher.......

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 09:11:30 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, nirvana

Dream set list:

Trans Island Skyway
True Companion
Doctor Wu
Reeling in the Years - w/Guitar instead of horns
Everything you did
I.G.Y.
Rikki
EMG

Set II

Green Book
Abbie
Almost Gothic
Gaucho
I Got the News
Show Biz Kids
Junkie Girl

Encore:

Down in the bottom
Night by night

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 09:09:26 ET
Posted by: Honeybun,

Christine:
"This seventeen year old girl finds donald fagen strangely attractive is that wrong?"

I think you'll find your not alone ;) This 25 year old girl finds donald fagen attractive too! And I remember asking the same question not so long ago!

Honeybun

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 09:02:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At work - it's raining again

Dallas Review - duh I didn't realise they had two papers, I wassearching the Dallas Morning News
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/special_packages/encore/6831879.htm

Pre Concert background - not bad:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/6810632.htm

In terms of radio staions the section is limited - I think we have a shot of getting played on 102.1 the Springfield Classic Rock station - I think they have a lunchtime request hour.

105.9 in Hartford is a possibilty - although they have become so lite.

106.9 - I think they are too wild.

The New Haven station 99.1 is pretty good although I can't reach them until I'm half way to work.

I don't think 93.7 - the Litchfield station will do - what's her face (from that Rock Hudson police show) and he husband run it - she's acually very nice - my wife met het at Charlotte Hungerford when she was having her kids in the early 80's.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 08:37:13 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Thanks, Vince! I downloaded and immediately heard a plug for the show. Took me a few to realize that here on the East Coast the show will run 9 to 12 at night...but that's perfect for me. Penny
Short honeymoon for Michael, huh?

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 08:14:42 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Lunch with Gina combines 6 of the 12 usual SD themes - New Yorkcentricity; a guy at the mercy of his woman/borderline misogyny; the bar or restaurant as a place of a climactic event; the case specific use of the first person present tense; and something else.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 02:13:05 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London England

Ok - in a desperate attempt to associate the name Gina with 'death', I first tried 'the Queen of the Night' (Queen = Regina = Gina), but no real associations there.

Then I found this odd tarot card site :

http://pw1.netcom.com/~fresne/major.htm

Scroll down to number 13. I rest my case.

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 02:09:47 ET
Posted by: My Old Man, back in Aragon

When I saw Y2K tour, Walter sang "Monkey In Your Soul", a real highlight. But I would have gone ape (sorry) to hear Daddy Don't Live in that NYC....my personal theme song.
My usual weird picks for best live recordings nobody has yet mentioned:
Hendrix in the West
Woodstock
Ten Years After: Undead
Elis Regina : Live at Montreaux
Billie Holiday Live at Carnegie Hall
Cannonball Adderley Live at The Lighthouse
Coltrane: Selflessness
VSOP
Art Blakey, Horace Silver: A Night at Birdland
Basie at Birdland
Dizzy Gillespie at Pleyel, France
Les McCann and Eddie Harris: Swiss Movement
Paul Butterfield Blues Band Live (talk about a blue guy who could play the whites!)

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 01:32:21 ET
Posted by: Vince Outlaw, The New Jazz Thing on Jazz 88

Something dedicated to all you Steely Dan fans...

Thursday, September 25, 2003 from 6 to 9 pm PT on Jazz 88 San Diego (webcast at http://KSDS-FM.org), we'll be exploring the Jazzier aspects of the music of Steely Dan with the Jazz musicians that play it everynight on the Everything Must Go tour. We'll also be finding out what these fine musicians are doing with their own musical careers by featuring music from their solo recordings. In addition to live, in-studio interviews with members of the band, we'll be playing some classic Steely Dan tracks, some newer tunes from Everything Must Go, and some of the classic Jazz tracks that Walter Becker and Donald Fagan have mentioned as influences throughout the years. And special guests may still make their presence known. It can all be heard live this Thursday, September 25, 2003 from 6 to 9 pm PT on Jazz 88, KSDS San Diego, 88.3 FM and world-wide webcast at http://KSDS-FM.org.

Confirmed guests include Carolyn Leonhart, Michael Leonhart, Jim Pugh, Jon Herrington, and Walt Weiskopf.

More information on The New Jazz Thing website:

http://thenewjazzthing.com/2003/09/21.html#a1101

Join us on the radio Thursday and see you all at the SD show in SD on Friday!

Much Love...VO

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 01:07:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

1 Night by Night
2 Peg
3 Boston Rag
4 Time Out of Mind
5 Dirty Work
6 AJA
7 Black Cow
8 Haitian Divorce
9 Glamour Profession
10 Two Against Nature
11 Home At Last

Interval

12 Lunch With Gina
13 Josie
14 Goucho
15 Pixeleen
16 Caves of Altamira
17 Kid Charlemagne
18 My Old School
19 Jack of Speed

Encore

20 Doctor Wu
21 Here at the Western World

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Date: Tues, September 23, 2003, 01:01:14 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London England

Steve - thanks for posting Dallas pics, especially as I was meant to be there but had to cancel due to work stuff coming up (got a refund from ticketmaster so maybe they're not all bad).

Just occurred to me that maybe the soup and grim reaper doll could be a tacit acknowledgement that 'Lunch with Gina' really is about a guy being pursued by death, as someone suggested here a while ago.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 22:25:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

It's been great reading the Dallas and Memphis reports. I'm glad it was a great show...wish I could have been there. Thanks especially to Firemop, LWO, John G and most of all Hat 2 Flat and Rose Darlin' in Dallas. If Steely Dan is an orgasm to me (and it is) then talking to you guys on the phone at the Danfest was like phone sex!

Also wish I could have hooked up again this year with Kid Charlemagne, as well as Jeff. Talk about great people. Hey, there HAS TO BE another SD tour OK?!!

Hearing that Walter performed "Daddy Don't..." last night, along with coming across my '93 ticket stubs (from Detroit, Chicago and Indy) sparked this thought: What if the two Hawaii shows were a great celebration of the past ten years of SD touring again? (or do you say 11 years, counting the NY Rock and Soul Revue?) What if they took the highlights of all the tours and played them in two great shows? "Daddy" would be one of them as would be "Haitian" and Bodhisattva.

Well, based on what they have played in the past 10-11 years, what would be the 20-21 song dream set list?

hoops

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 22:21:14 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Rose, Jeff, Steve: Sorry we missed you there - I recognize Aja pics from the background...looks like you were in the aisle - Section 100 row about G


I was over on the other side - Section 102 Row K


Rose, Jeff, Steve, and those there in Dallas: Was I dreaming or deaf, but during the intros after Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More didn't Walter state that they'd like to use Walter Weiskopf on Future albums? (meaning there will be more)


Another thing - they did not last night in any way look like a group ready to pack it in and call it a career...


Yes, the security folks didn't care much about the cameras...and gave a cursory look at any cases brought in...someone 3 seats down had a camera...and they only stopped dancers in aisle seats or threatening to move up front...some dancing in the midle of a row in section 101 broke out - no one seemed to mind...the deal was when many were already standing during the last 2 songs, then the encore, that security clamped down...




BIG FAN: I've been harrassing Time-Warner Without AOL or Ted Turnder Whatever on and off for weeks. PIXELEEN!!!! In fact, the massive sales and secondary service economy it would create are just the ticket to get the US out of its financial doldrums!!!!

Best of luck!!!!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 21:44:53 ET
Posted by: Laina, SLO

Rajah, that was so very kind of you to introduce Gretchen and Christine! Perhaps they can share in their love for the Don! And Christine, I don't think it's so bad that you have a thing for such an older man as Don. The older man can be quite alluring. And besides, we know that they (D&W) are still writing songs about pretty young things like Pixeleen and Janie Runaway. Of course, there is the, erm, dilemma of one Libby Titus...but you can deal with that later. LOL.

Do tell, when and how did you get into Steely Dan?

Age ain't nothin' but a number, throwin' down ain't nothin' but a thang,

Lainalove

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 21:44:09 ET
Posted by: zim, relaxing in the hills of CT

Sounds like a good plan BigFan. Which stations and when? We'll both call and make them wondering what they're missing!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 21:36:50 ET
Posted by: MountainMama, Marble, North Carolina

I saw the Dan for the first time Friday in Atlanta. I loved it! I've been a fan for seventeen years. Here's the AJC review of the show:

http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/0903/20dan.html

I enjoyed meeting all the fine folks at the Dan-fest. Wish we had more time to visit.

MountainMama

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 20:45:13 ET
Posted by: christine, MA

hey, i don't think this issue should be taken so lightheartedly! Donald's a fine looking man in the most peculiar way and i can't help it if Bretchen is also in tune with that fact. All i have to say is, bravo Gretchen! thanks for the feedback rajah

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 20:43:25 ET
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, deep in depression, missing The Donald

I was happy to see that someone else saw the resemblence between Donald and Mr. Charles. It struck me the first time on the PBS special..The Atlanta show was so rocking, we were about in tears when it was time to call it a night.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 20:28:37 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Christine - I'd like to introduce you to a lady named Gretchen who is usually available in this cyberspace. She seems to be a woman of experience and, seeing that she shares this same - ahh-- affinity for Donald, she might prove to be a steadying force as you work your way through this condition. Or, perhaps you might be for her.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 19:33:02 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home resting - it's been a long day

I was hoping there would be a review in the Dallas paper online - no luck yet, but they did do a review of the REM concert last Friday the following day - so maybe tomorrow if they were up late yesterday.

Reading the Dallas paper I'm reminded of the line from the movie the Blues Brothers "We play both kinds of music here, Country and Western."

I think I'm going to start calling all of the local radio sations during their request hours and request Pixeleen. If it gets played, maybe people will become interested and catch on. Wouldn't it be wild to hear it on the radio?

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 19:09:22 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Christine.

Yes. Get thee to a nunnery.

hoops

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 18:13:45 ET
Posted by: Christine, MA

This seventeen year old girl finds donald fagen strangely attractive is that wrong?

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 18:02:08 ET
Posted by: molly, work-yeah right...

Didn't big daddy Walter sing "Daddy Don't Live..." on the Y2K tour? Could have sworn it was on the setlist in Irvine...Well if they're gonna bring that one back, how about some "Dirty Work"? But DEFINITELY leave in EMG!

later,mollydolly

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 17:53:41 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Soooooooo....looks like the set list mods for the last couple of nights were...no EMG in Memphis, but back in for Dallas...and Daddy instead of Slang for big D.


My bud is going to Phoenix show on Wednesday...he'll be very happy for Daddy Don't Live if that holds out.

We have just GOT to get EMG in Concord (as well as Gina)!!!!!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 17:50:52 ET
Posted by: mollydolly, CA

In regards to the dancing at shows and lack thereof-funny this is a recent discussion or collection of comments since I have been fretting for a while now about the Santa Barbara show. I went to the Paso show-where, as it has been noted before, there were obviously more than a few attendees that opted for "an evening with Steely Dan" rather than, say a flick at the cinema-not much dancing-in fact the comment was made to my seat buddy that she not dance on songs like "Caves of Altamira" but rather when everyoone else recognizes the songs-aecchh-phooey! Not all was lost,however, we were all able to dance, pretty much nonstop, through the second set.

So apparently, while anticipating my next show in about a week and reading all of these posts each day, my main concern has been not being able to free float and feel the tunes...

How has it been for the ones that have sat in the front? One would think that by paying a bit more out of pocket that one would have to be quite a fan-mostly-and really dig it and dance...

Not to go on and on about something a bit trivial but rather than looking at it "sans lunettes" why not put on the pretty pink ones and realize that although sitting up front may not encourage dancing, it does allow you excellent sound from, in my opinion and most of us, the finest musicians out there! Yes, we can all groove in our seat-enthusiastically, even-and just take it all in-that it is better than hearing it in your car or at home or in Albertson's grocery store-isn't it? Not to say that I don't relish those moments...

Maybe we can't all dance as much as we would like-believe me, standing up the entire time would be my choice as well-but we CAN enjoy the fact that we are lucky enough to be there....

Groovin in my seat at work, molly

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 17:33:03 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, DANcing in Bethel

Advice for dealing with obnoxiously loud, drunk people--turn to them, smile, shake their hand and say "I'm really glad you're loving this as much as I am, but I really want to HEAR this song." It's worked for me in the past.Very important to keep smiling.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 16:05:10 ET
Posted by: Bob,

Anyone have good advice in dealing with folks who get out of hand at a concert? I was at the Memphis show, and this drunk guy two rows behind us wouldn't shut up.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 15:50:52 ET
Posted by: Firemop, Dallas, TX (Row D, on the aisle)

Enough about the "security nazis" in Dallas! I think they are getting a bad rap. Perhaps it was because I was sitting in a $150 seat, but the 4-5 security guys in my immediate area let me take all of the photos I wanted. My photos turned-out great and quite a few are even better than the ones on the ODP (I will post them later today). And yes, they did not let people crowd the front of the stage and the aisles to dance, but hey - they were protecting my space! :)

It was nice seeing all of the DanFesters yesterday, and I'm sorry I missed you, Hoops. I saved one of my commerative refigerator magnets for you!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 15:12:52 ET
Posted by: Dave, The Mohel

Weren't Donald and Walter trying to utz us into dancing in past tours? I remember that Donald had "It's OK if you wanna dance" as part of his shtik on the previous tour, That and the bit about the beach and crackers with your honey for Hey 19. Not this one tho.

All I can say is this: I was at Roseland on the main floor. And NOBODY would sit down—and people were dancing all over the place. TELL THEM TO STOOOOOOPPPPPPPPP!!!!!

Oh, btw, Roseland was the best fucking Steely Dan show ever. Coicidence? I think not.

Still, if you are at an average shed, stadium, or theatre with seats, you better say your brokhes if you intend on dancing in a mixed crowd. A lot of attendees will say, "Azas!!!!" A number of Dan fans are edyl and just want to listen.

Some of Hoops' suggested strategies have worked, like informing the people behind you and in front of you that it's OK to dance if they want to. Then if they do, you do. Safety in masses.

Go with the flow and if you can dance to it. Hoever, despite Fagen's previous exhortations, dancing is not a reality at most SD shows. FEH!! Still respect.

btw2: Dallas and Houston are great places with great Danfans, but the law enforcement are fuckin' NAZIS! Kholile, they'll nail you even for the littlest bulbe.

Dave, The Mohel

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 14:03:57 ET
Posted by: Man with no face,

I was at the Atlanta show and security had to intervene before a fistfight broke out over standing up/dancing in the reserved seating area thus blocking the view of those behind. The offenders were made to sit down and order was restored. If you want to stand up or dance, there is a huge lawn behind you and wide aisles on both sides.

All in all, it was a wonderful show. The acoustics sucked where I was sitting (row R far far right), I couldn't hear Ted or the girls very well. My main impression was that Carlock is a god, the horn section was awesome, and that Walter's blues licks added a different dimension to the songs that I enjoyed. JH nailed all the guitar parts, particularly the intro to DTMA and the Peg solo. Don was doing his best Ray Charles on more than one occasion. Contemplated the 12 hour drive to Memphis, but just couldn't do it. Sounds like that show was cut short, venue time restrictions perhaps?

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 13:01:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Steve - thanks for the photos, some are quite good, how'd you get away with it?

Now maybe somebody out there can help me out here. What is the keytar, who invented it, what does it do, what does it sound like? It looks like the world's most unconfortable axe next to the accordian.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 12:12:02 ET
Posted by: Steve Tannehill,

They didn't turn out all that great, but I have a few snaps from last night's show online at:

http://homepage.mac.com/sdtannehill/steelydan/PhotoAlbum31.html
http://homepage.mac.com/sdtannehill/steelydan/PhotoAlbum32.html
http://homepage.mac.com/sdtannehill/steelydan/PhotoAlbum33.html

You can click on the photos to make them larger, and view them in a slide show.

Some of the more blurry photos make a whole lot more sense when you recall the...
...fine Columbian that was in the air. :-)

Does anyone know the story behind the can of soup and grim reaper doll?

Cheers,
Steve

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 11:58:42 ET
Posted by: zim, peering thru the steam

Oh WuDuF-The steam is all the way up here in this part of the state from you! Isn't the whole thing just RIDICULOUS? Get up and move those lazy asses folks!

Sneaking online during a school day eh?

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 11:36:45 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, fuming in Bethel

NO WAY! People are actually being KICKED OUT for dancing now? This has got to stop. Wake up America, we should be free to dance at concerts if we want to. Music creates vibrations that move molecules in the body. Just watch the musicians onstage while they're performing. Are they not dancing? Most bands I love and go see would be horrified if they found out that people were being hassled for dancing at their shows.This is not a classical symphony performance, or a jazz show. This is rock & roll, albeit very sophisticated rock and roll. If a venue wants a "no dancing" policy, then they should make that clear at the time of ticket purchase, or post signs (like no smoking, no moshing, no pictures, etc.) As you can see, I'm fuming about this. Sorry, Dan fan in Dallas.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 11:02:28 ET
Posted by: Dallas Rose,

DACW, sorry we missed you. We had a festive group under the Banyan Tree. Special thanks to Gloria and Fred for the sushi and selection of truly fine wines. Also for the sandwiches post show- yum! (and soooo needed!)

Hoops!, it was lovely to speak with you by phone in the midst of our madness. We missed you, but managed to celebrate without you. Many toasts were made in your name!

Saturday night with Naked Lunch and Rob Rolph was quite fabulous. Hat2Flat deserves ALL the credit for the night's success.

Little Wild One ... hope you had a safe and uneventful trip back to Houston. (or did you call in this morning "Danned">?)

Ed Beatty ... what can I say?! Loved meeting you at last! I look forward to visiting with you again in the future.

Lastly, thanks to D&W and the entire band for the perfect end to the perfect weekend. Thank goodness the Nazi's left our row alone - we were charmed.

The fog that DACW experienced on the drive home has taken up permanent residence in my head. More later when the fog clears ...

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 10:58:50 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" These tabs look iffy - you say they're good
Let's roll with the homey's - knock on wood "

Someone down below asked if this pertains to " some sort of drug reference " ???????????????????????????????????????????????



************** BLANK FRIGGIN STARE ****************************


Joey !

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 10:24:57 ET
Posted by: JeffK, Dallas

Great review of the show last night DACW. Had me LMAO. Couldn't agree more.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 09:59:26 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I have this wicked dream of Walter hosting the Miss America Pageant! "

I have had the same dream three different times in the past week alone .................................

.....only mine has " circa 1982 " hairstyles -- Go figure !


Jacky !

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 08:57:10 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Band Uber Alles

…made the 3 hour trip back in 2:40 in a Steely Dan haze through patches of fog and skunk…We left this enclave in the middle of nowhere Texas about 3 pm – turned out just moi and the kiddos…stopped at a Whataburger 30 miles from Dallas for some hearty fare on the way into fair park…I eased the milk truck in the space…as crowd control made collecting the $7 dollar usual parking fee null and void…

DanFest seemed to be disbanded in the North parking lot but the time we got there – sorry I missed whoever…The wait after the gates opened was not bad…made a cell phone call or tow, but couldn’t see my shadow with the cell phone on the ground. I think in Texas that means 6 more weeks of Summer!

…we skipped the long beer and hurricane lines and went for the Hard stuff – sno cones with self-serve syrup. This proved a challenge as a mini-swarm of killer bees hovered over the syrup dispenser island…

…Who found our seats 11 rows deep on the left/Walter’s side of the stage… the Security Nazi (see below) responded to my query of 7”30 show time by handing me a folded piece of security talking point with sure enough a time of 8 pm…By now it was 7 pm and we wiled away is what turned out to be a very pleasant evening (80° down to 70° by show end) by playing name that state/country. My 8 year old son got on a roll a creamed me with Brunei and Swazailand. Other entertainment was finding seat positions and strategies to peer around a guy in front of us with a combined size of Hoops and St Al…very amiable with a nice wife who was happy to see my kids there getting a real musical lesson…He swerved half-drunken half music possessed throughout the show and we had a clear view 87% of the time…we spill purple grape sno cone mush on the floor – now our clothes are tie dyed to fit tonights theme! then a much drunker guy and wife constantly apologizing was attempting to find seats 12 down from us. He’d take 2 steps, then would have to ask us 4 times what our seats were to regain his bearing…all this reminds me – it may the beer of a Dallas thing. There were heads bobbing indeed with the songs. But half were side to side!

The place was just teeming with aging boomers, as well there should be in a beer buzz that took them back to the 70s, and the band gladly obliged


A snazzy jazzy CUBANA CHANT began and the band took over the night air.

A number of things struck me immediately: (1) how tight and in sync the entire band is…absolutely cohesive without a weak link…the swung, they rocked. Truly Amazing…

From left to right: Cornelius Bumpus had his earty, soulful groove going and took a number of tunes home like the final encore FM

Walt Weiskopf had the right combination of chops, blues, and soul that gave the Steely Dan sound a core we all know and love

Michael Leonhart on unmated and muted trumpet swung from smooth accompaniment to early Maynard Ferguson stratospherics without the excess

Jim Pugh provided an extra dimension – he gets better and better…this was acknowledge by Walter in the intros before he slipped in another trombone joke…

Jon Herrington flat delivered the good tonight. Going from Larry Carlton’s rhythm guitar from Aja to the Dias solos…and ripping it to shreds on Don’t Take Me Alive and KidC…WOW!!! Don’t understimate this man!

Walter’s playing was outstanding – a lot of confidence in those blues/jazz chops…a no noodling zone tonight

Texan Keith Carlock…what can you say? He’s got jazz and rock chops..reminds me a bit of a slightly more jazzy Stewart Copleland…except Copelandquicked jabbed on that high had…almost sounded like 2 drummer…come to think of it Keith sounded like 2 drummers on Parker’s Band.

Tom Barney – on the chair or stool (is that dreadlocks?) is rock bottom solid with a bit of jazzy fuzz in the bass

Dr. Fagen was all over the Rhodes, melodica, keytar…very animated and good sound. Primarily the vocals were outstanding! Strong…good tone…great phrasing…blending so tightly with the babe choir…never noticed a flubbed line – but who cared??

Ted Baker was solid with some flavorful arpeggios

The Babe choir: Cindy Mizelle, Carolyn Leonhart, Cynthia Calhoun had just the right blend..did some semi-choreographed dancing, with lost of individuality thrown in

(2) Walter and especially Donald REALLY seemed to enjoy the show and performing. The Donald was really in the zone whether doing hi Ray Charles on the Rhodes or strutting and bobbing with the melodica or keytar/midi thing

(2) The wanted to give the folks in Dallas what they wanted…and it was a 70s flashback…although far better than I remember the 70s!

(4) arrangements massaged – not a note for note copy of the recordings – which is a very good thing for many reasons

Set List:

Set A


Cubana Chant – very nice, jazzy, summery…horns show their tightness as a unit…Carlock knew when not to overwhelm a band..almost a John Guerin touch here…Jim Push sounds just great

Walter strolls out like a jolly brown-haired Santa with a guitar…maroon or brown shirt – hard to tell with the 70s lighting.

Donald comes out with a blue shirt – not tucked in

Kudos to the guy who mixed the instruments – nice balance – could hear the whole band and each individual, although Baker might have been mixed a little low (however see below)…this is especially true as Smirnoff is a TIN BOX with big speaker sets probably there from the Boston concert in 1976…I new the place and that the acoustics would SUCK…plus someone had turned the AMPS up to 11…Credit the band for being to tight, cohesive, and spot on throughout the concert

Aja – Donald very animated on the Rhodes first, then pulls out the melodica

Vocals are stellar, phrasing and use of space never better…in fact considerably better than TvN…Donald really knows how to SING a conversation! This piece is open enough to hear Ted Baker..dreamy movement…Weiskopf absolutely nails the sax solo and Herington and mentioned is superb…Walter gets in a few good licks…Carlock muscular !I’m ALL tingly!!!

Godwhacker – very solid version …Donald almost apologizes at the end for the subject matter…my son digs this one – I told them it’s a cartoon (which is close to the truth)

Caves of Altamira – one of the shows highlights…Pugh has an amazing solo…Fagen’s vocals are in the zone

Black Cow – Fagen and now Babe Choir in the zone together…Bumpus and Michael Leonhart with very since work

Babylon Sisters – a surprise…the Babe Choir “Shakes it!” Pugh with a monumental trombone solo…Fagen reaches for the Keytar. Ted Baker with very nifty organ work…Walter with a gripping blues outtro…I yell GO WALTER GO!!!! From the 11th row

Yeah, I was the guy with the wearing the neon orange color shirt 44 – looks 24 ‘cept a few gray hairs in the temple (have a Dorian Gray Portrait in the attic…or is it I;m starting my second childood early)…by this time… I’m so excited!

…thought he looked over to us – nah, it’s that stand with the lamp he keeps looking at…Is it one of those prompters that W or Clinton use when pretending to connect with people, when they’re actually reading the speech?

I’m ready for Slang of Ages – but the chords in the intro don’t sound right…and there’s a good reason! Its’ DADDY Don’t Live In hat NY City No More!! Walter’s vocals are very good – I’ve been singling along for a time and Walter’s right in my range…a number of people leave here for more beer – RUDE BASTARDS!!!

Walter introduces Band - ..I have this wicked dream of Walter hosting the Miss America Pageant!

Peg – Herington slashes masterfully through the Jay Graydon solo…crowd drunker and more pumped…Fagen starts to mention more and more about the 70s…and there’s some lava lamp whit or something on the monitors…my daughter asks me later about what is some negative color images of a canyon flying past…Where’s my pet rock? Tom Barney is givin’ it some REAL THUMB now

Home At Last – feature Walter and a Michael Leonhart on muted horn…can this cong get any better??

What a set!!! Am anticipating more EMG on Set B


Set B…after a drink and bathroom break I’m having some trouble separating then instruments as we start the Steely Dan Show song…realize because I’m half Freakin’ DEAF from the “Boston Acoustics” …nice “groove that never quits” Dr. Fagen has fun with that’s a little tribute for us…that we wrote for ourselves…we should feel guilty …but there ya go”

Funny line re: SD t-shirts, hats: “it’s only promo stuff…but hey it’s good enough”

Donald comes out in a White Dinner Jacket…he’s lighting up the entire stage…now wonder he has thosr shades on!

Janie Runaway – horns cookin’

Into Hey 19…crowd even more animated…drunk girlfriends singing along now…Weiskopf and Herington shine

Walter takes the mike again for Haitian Divorce…Herington nails it on the wah wah

Lunch With Gina – Donald swinging the keytar…really cooks – really peppy sax takes tome of the solo…anticipating EMG or dare I say Pixeleen??? Fagen keeps alluding to the 70s though – a portend of to come…

Parker’s Band – the Babe Choir, Weiskopf, Bumpus and Fagen on the Rhodes – sounds better live than Pretzel…Carlock all over the kit…

Josie – Walter duels with Herrington…the dreaded 70s drum solo…builds and Carlock shows his chops

And it’s EMG!!!!!….nah from the Jurassic Period it’s the tour staple Kid C. No real big change in arrangement from 2000…however, Herington’s guitar is sharp. Carlok has his own shuffle, and unlike the great Purdie, he’s NEVER late…

Herrington then take no prisoners on Don’t; Take Me Alive…maybe better than Carlton!!!…crowd drunker and happier than ever…lesse…drunk…happy…stupid…70s…Bush…oh now I get it! …anyway the audience got it – what they wanted that is..

Encore: you know ‘em you love ‘em

My Old School …really nice intro Rhodes from The Donald

FM – Bumpus with the sax and Walter takes us home! Just a top notch concert despite the acoustics of the venue

The Security Nazis stopped any hint of dancing in the aisles or near the stage near the end of the show...they looked glaringly on my mini Magnalite with the power of a triple sun which subbed for a lighter as the crowd clamored for encores...

My Mood Ring sez…TIME TO GET TO FUKCIN’ SLEEP!!!!!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 08:12:01 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - bummer

Memphis concert review:
http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/concerts/article/0,1426,MCA_506_2287592,00.html

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 08:04:17 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Chgo

Just got to a PC after the drive back from Memphis!! Thanks to Chris in Milwaukee (Razor Boy)for letting us share his spot up front! I could read the second hand on Walter's watch we were that close. Funky venue but a great show!

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 07:53:50 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

"Rhanks for the CunaoChant info"...damn, they needs musta been party hearty down @ Shelby Farms. Yor wellkum.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 06:31:24 ET
Posted by: Mr. Chao, Memphis

Rajah - The comment as to the rather indifferent treatment of the new numbers was directed at strictly at audience rather than band (which grew more tight and focused as the evening progressed). The vibe I got was the not at all atypical one that the audience wanted the old standards, and was a bit impatient or even unfamiliar with the newer work. There were pockets of enthusiastic reception for the newer stuff, but the audience seemed for the most part to be waiting for "Deacon Blues." It wasn't anything that you don't see at just about any concert of a classic act, though.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 01:28:19 ET
Posted by: Elaine Safarik, Dallas, Texas

I had a reserved seat, but was kicked out because I refused to sit down. I can't believe attending a concert that you can't stand up to enjoy the music. That's the last reserved seat--nothing but lawn from now on. Too many Nazi's.
Aside from that, It was was a kick-ass concert. Disappointed that they did not include, 'Royal Scam'.

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 00:40:19 ET
Posted by: John,

Just in from the Dallas show. From a fan's perspective, this was a great show. I thought the audience was hugely responsive. I saw a show earlier in the summer in Philadelphia, and by comparison, tonight's performance sounded much tighter. The three changes from earlier in the summer were Walter singing "Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More," "Home at Last" closing out the first set to great effect, and, thankfully, "Lunch With Gina" with the female vocalists ripping the close harmonies. A thing of beauty. I brought a friend who is only 32 and who listened to much of the concert with his eyes closed, raving about the topography of the music. I'm sure he must be right. <g>

I don't think I will have much voice at work tomorrow. Sorry not to see you this time, Jim and Pat!

All best,
John

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Date: Mon, September 22, 2003, 00:11:23 ET
Posted by: Channeling Ed_Beatty, Dallas

Just heard from Ed_Beatty.

Walter replaced "Slang of Ages" with "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" (featuring band intros).

EMG title track not played.

Donald added a extra long intro to "My Old School"

Channeling Ed_Beatty from the Dallas concert.

"The Gates are open!"

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 23:49:12 ET
Posted by: highpriestofthepainfultruth, Paris AR

Just got back from Memphis. The show was great. Saw them in Dallas in 2000 and I thought this show was better. The venue was just ok because of the weird setup with the landscape of the area and the extraordinary attendance. Probably would not attend another concert there unless it was the DAN. I just love the perfection of all the musicians and the backup singers. Everything is just so tight yet loose. I proudly wore my Fez all night. The whole band seemed a little more upbeat in the second set. Went to Beale Street on Saturday afternoon, ate lunch at the Blues City Cafe which is always great. Visited the new Rock and Soul Museum and the Gibson Shop. Went to the concert and ate some IHOP afterwards. On Sunday we visited Sun Records and the new STAX museum. Of Sun, Rock and Soul and STAX, I would say that STAX was the best and most thorough of all. Could have easily spent another 2 hours in there. Ate at Neely's BBQ and then started the 5 hour trip home.

I really wish they would work up a tour book for these tours.

Set List

8:15pm

Cubano Chant
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker
Caves of Altimira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang of Ages
Band Intros
Peg
Home at Last

Intermission

9:45pm

Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey Nineteen
Haitian Divorce
Lunch With Gina
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive

Encore

My Old School
FM

Over at 10:45

Loved it all.

HIGH PRIEST OF THE PAINFUL TRUTH

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 23:09:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

It's about the end of the interval right now in Dallas, can we get a shout out by anyone as to EMG's status? Actually, they'd be playing it in about 20 minutes.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 22:31:47 ET
Posted by: angel,

Thanks BillyR. Took guts for Donald to sing that line....

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 21:39:23 ET
Posted by: BillyR,

Yes Angel,,we got that line.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 21:04:18 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Chillin' at the Manatee Bar (Milwaukee Location)

Back home from Memphis. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a SHOW!!!!! Only complaint, no EMG. Highlight, THE WHOLE FLIPPIN" DAY, from being second in line at 3 p.m. to sitting 8 feet from center stage at 8 pm to hangin' in the lot 'till midnight with a bunch of new friends from Memphis and beyond.


2 Tickets - $95.00
Hotels - $90.00
Beale Street Friday night - $30.00 (didn't buy any beer)
Steely Dan sweatshirt & key chain - $70.00

The Memories - PRICELESS.


More to come.....

KC

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:57:56 ET
Posted by: angel,

BillyR: What about Godwacker. Did Donald do the "We tracked your almighty ass" line? Or did he conveniently forget it again.

Regarding the shots on the ODP. What great shots of Carlock!!!!!!! The photographer did a spectacular job. You can feel the energy.
The Elvis ones are a howl. Cindy is just too much and Cynthia is not too far behind.... lol

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:46:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Chao - I'm intrigued by your use of the phrase, "indifferently but standout" it's sooo Brechtian. What's the vibe you picked up for you to say such a thing?

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:41:21 ET
Posted by: Mr. Chao,

EMG wasn't played at Memphis last night (alas).

The band was noticeably more energetic in the second set than the first. The brass absolutely nailed "Lunch With Gina."

Becker handled vocals on "Slang Of Ages" and "Haitian Divorce" with style. He also had a lot of fun with the band introductions, wearing something he called "Korean Mystery Glasses."

The majority of the audience, predictably, rocked to the older numbers. I felt the four numbers from EMG and TvN were regarded a bit indifferently, although they were among the standouts of the evening.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:25:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

BillyR - Thank you and wow what does this mean? Were they tired after a grueling stretch of 8 shows in 10 days? I would be and isn't EMG taxing to execute, yeah sure is I bet. Huh.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:08:46 ET
Posted by: BillyR, StLouis

Rajah & angel....No EMG in Memphis...

Rhanks for the CunaoChant info PeterQ...much appreciated.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 20:01:15 ET
Posted by: angel,

That AM soundbyte is on Broberg's site.

http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm

Scroll down the list, til you get to it.

Did they play EMG last night in Memphis? Enquiring minds want to know....

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 19:52:50 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

BillyR - we need clarification: did they play Everything Must Go in Memphis last night? You didn't mention it in your setlist and now the Dandom is in confusion.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 19:45:30 ET
Posted by: MisterKeith, Memphis, Tennessee

It seems Hannibal Lecter getup is a pair of virtual reality glasses . . . how else to get through an introduction of twelve people without dropping the ball somewhere?

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 19:29:06 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

PeterQ

You've got taste... (re: Pat Metheny)!

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 18:16:10 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa via NYC

bizarre,
how/why do the boyz decide to play emg then drop emg on certain nights? union, nah

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:54:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

It's Walty as Hannibal Lecter.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:52:41 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

CHECK OUT the new pix on SD's website...Walter being puckish? Weird masked man onstage? Elvis joins the band?
Penny in afterglow

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:49:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Victor Feldman was the finishing touch on Steely Dan as they transitioned into that loose association of hired players.

Steely Dan I - the Skunk & Denny lineup, CBAT & CTE.
Steely Dan II - PL, KL, RS, AJA, Goucho
Steely Dan III- TvN, EMG

And almost as amazing as coming back after a twenty year hiatus was the string of six albums in six years from 1972 to 1977.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:44:48 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Metheny is just about the only jazz artist I know of who has total clearance from the record company to do whatever he wants, no questions asked. Got to admire the guy for totally turning his back on the smooth jazz baloney. And he has the best web site in music, period.

Re: Cubano Chant and set lists...let's can all the smaltz and see this band play some of their own favorite material, stuff like Cannonball's Mercy Mercy Mercy or Aretha's Who's Zoomin Who? Maybe even an Otis Redding ditty. That would be infinitely more rewarding.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:34:44 ET
Posted by: w, DANcing in Bethel

I'd like to put my 2 cents in about jazz records: Pat Metheny, and PAT METHENY!!! Sparkling guitar work throughout all of his records, with the group, solo, trio, or as a sideman to other people (yes, his ego has not grown to the point where he has to be the main person all the time). I have an interview with D.F. and W.B. from the 70's and they were heralding what a good guitar player he was, and he was only 19 at the time! Happy listening!

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:34:23 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Billy R - Cubano Chant is the tune that they've opened with on this tour, it's by the pianist Ray Bryant and a good version of it is on his CD Dancing The Big Twist, usually available on Amazon or Tower Records site.

Although I've never read anything where B & F acknowledge Ray Bryant as an influence, he's got to be a heavy one on them, playing the same sort of more gospel/funk than jazz piano - like Cannonball Adderly, another huge influence (and his crony Victor Feldman).

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 17:07:22 ET
Posted by: Laina, sick

MisterKeith, SD has played 6 songs from EMG:

Godwhacker (first set)
Things I Miss The Most (second set)
Blues Beach (first set)
Slang of Ages (first set)

and more recently, Lunch w/ Gina and the title track EMG, neither of which have I seen live yet. Maybe next Sunday!!

Jaydee, certain radio stations did in fact dub an "A" into "FM"...matter of fact, it was the "Aaa" sound from the lyric "Aaaja, when all my dime dancin' is through..." I just tried to find a link for you but had no success. Can someone come through with a link to that sound clip?

*cough cough*
Lainalove

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 16:48:53 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

You see, Rajah, I remember when that song came out very well. That one and "Here at the WW" were both released on a Greatest Hits album, and of course I had all the rest of the stuff on it...had to buy the album to get the two new songs...so I had to play them a lot to get my $'s worth. I had trouble getting into a song that seemed to be about a brothel, but I loved FM from the start. I recently had a long period when I did not listen to any Dan...but when I played this one again, for the first time, it put me right into that sort-of-dreamy mood. I think it is most likely the rhythm of the piece rahter than the lyrics...insistent, pulsating, throbbing...oops, I did it again! Penny
Send me to bed without any supper...

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 14:41:30 ET
Posted by: BillyR, St. Louis

MEMPHIS!!!!..Wow...what a show!! Great outdoor venue..arrived at 5pm for general admission seating..sat 15 feet from Donald...was LIKE A DREAM!!..GREAT SOUND!!..even better than Chicago..for those wondering:

Set 1: Intro (How can one find this gig?)
Aja
Time Out of Mind
Godwhacker (Wow...)
Caves of Altamira
Black Cow
Babylon Sisters
Slang of Ages
Peg
Home at Last

Set 2: The Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway
Hey 19(What a beginning!!)
Haiitian Divorce
Lunch With Gina
Parker's Band
Josie
Kid C
Don't Take Me Alive

Encore:My Old School (Keith Carlock on drums....at the top of his game)
FM

To the Gang of 6...with the customized T-SHIRTS....It IS "Great to be young".

BillyR-St. Louis

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 14:08:08 ET
Posted by: MisterKeith, Memphis, Tennessee

Not an actual setlist, but what they played by album:

Can't Buy a Thrill: none

Countdown to Ecstasy: My Old School (1st encore)

Pretzel Logic: Parker's Band (first set)

Royal Scam: Kid Charlemagne (penultimate number second set)
Don't Take Me Alive (last number second set)

Katy Lied: None

Aja: Black Cow (first set)
Aja (first set)
Peg (first set)
Home at Last (first set)
Josie (second set)

Gaucho: Babylon Sisters (first set)
Hey Nineteen (second set)
Time Out of Mind (first set)

Other: FM (2nd encore)
Four selections from EMG (only one I remember was Godwhacker)
Nothing I recognized from Two Against Nature


This was my first Dan concert-- absolutely incredible!

Keith

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 13:46:51 ET
Posted by: JeffK, Dallas

Going to the show in Dallas tonight. Anyone know what their set list has been the last couple shows?

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 13:14:49 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London England

Rajah - agree FM isn't a closer, but still a fine song despite its lineage. Anyone know if it's true that some AM stations dropped the "A" from Aja into the title line, making it "AM" ? If so, did B and F make any kind of fuss? (maybe they just thought it was amusing, which of course it is).

My closer would be Pretzel, with Michael McDonald strolling on unannounced to sing the 'shoes' line.

Peter Q - just looked at your excellent, fascinating, slightly weird 'feverdreams' site. Just makes me wonder why you ask questions here to which you obviously know the answer (eg B and F as sidemen), or are you perchance just being provocative (in a Meali kind of way)?

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 13:11:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Auntie Faye - naughty. Maybe that's what I'm not getting, girls like it.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 13:03:11 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Remember earlier in the week that reporter down in Florida did a great piece on the Dan? I wrote to thank him, and he replied as such:
Hey, Penny:
So nice to hear from you. Went to the West Palm concert Wednesday and it was awesome. Special treat was hearing BECKER sing Haitian Divorce and also hearing Mr. Parker's Band. Wonderful night.
Thanks again, and all the best to you...
Dan

Not quite as eloquent as his article, huh?

I happen to like FM. I don't mean to say they MUST play it every time, but it DOES something to me...a wave of feeling washes over me, and...ummmm...it's just a sexy song, dammit! Penny

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 12:46:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Here's my beef with FM as a song and yes I do like the song but it doesn't belong anywhere in SD's landscape. Written for a bad movie, I wonder if they were given the song title like the Beatles were for "Help". I think that's what bugs me, it's mercenary, it's floating out there in space not tethered to anything else. Now apart from the bad bloodline, the lyrics depict an hedonistic party whose purpose it seems is to get the girls liquored up and happy then dance on their bones till they say when. OK, well that's fine and all, but there's just no soul, no tension, no plotline, just a big orgy with no static at all on the radio. A celebration of casual sex and 70s album-oriented progressive rock stations who liberated us from the hell of AM radio you say? Gotcha, the song does sound great in the car but I just see so many better choices. My Old School is perfect. Bodhisattva, Kid Charlemange, they work. Uptempo, big crescendos, real toe tappers, thank you Lawrence Welk. Cut FM, drop it down to last and stick in Chain Lighting or Doctor Wu(right, as if). Other than that, the setlist as it has now evolved, thank you boys, seems pretty freakin AWSOME. Could there be one more change before they come back west to Universal?

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 12:03:11 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Disappointed but not disannoited

Raj,

Ya, I getcha with the Peg. I agree that it is the perfect meld of Jazz, R+B, and Pop. And Peg was the first SD eye opener for me as a kid growing up in the disco/punk/pop/dinosaur rock/new wave/techno rock age of confusion we survivors like to call the late 70's. The Who = Pinball Wizard, The Stones = Satisfaction, U2 = Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bruce = Born to Run, Zep = Stairway. Some things are just guaranteed when going to see a specific artist perform. I never considered the Dan to be part of the above only because W + D deliberately shun themselves from all things mainstream. Just take a look at EMG. After 2VN W + D could have come out with a 2VN Part Deux to appease the hunger of the mainstream audience. They didn't - in fact they came out with a CD that pretty much describes how f%^&ed up our society is. Having a tour that celebrates some of their finer songs from previous incarnations would not be underestimating them.

You comments on FM seem a little harsh - is there something you want to say? I agree with your sentiment though. Although my previous post did not mention any tunes I did not want to hear live (other then Peg), you are perceptive enough to pick up on that one.

Given another 24 hours to munch on what I posted, I guess I was just so damn excited about listening to Caves and Divorce, that it left me wanting more of the same.

Maybe W + D will do a "Voodoo Lounge" tour and satisfy the dandom in us all.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 06:10:23 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Hi Phillipe, if you want to know all about Brian Sweet or anything just go to feverdreams.net and click on the box with the candle, dagger and flower. A small portion of what will eventually be there is there.

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 05:10:52 ET
Posted by: philippe, Pau France

Hi PeterQ, if you want to know all D&W participations on any album as composers, producers, sidemen or whatever, once more , get Brian Sweet's "Reelin in the years" book .
BTW, Bratfille, thanks for your comments on my english, I think the same about your french!

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 03:44:13 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London England

Peter Q - thanks for Carlock reply. Sounds interesting, but I can't imagine he would have time to adjust skin tension so it must be something to do with technique.

Also, eric's right - most drummers count off the tune. I do it myself, and you can hear Chambers do it at the start of AIA (with stick click for emphasis). I can, however, imagine that control-freak jazz band-leaders would want to do the job themselves.

Thanks too to drummers who replied by email - obviously not wanting to bore the rest of you with talk of paradiddles and flams!

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Date: Sun, September 21, 2003, 00:15:45 ET
Posted by: Lee, Blown away...on the shore of Tampa Bay...

I am still in awe to the point of being dumbstruck at the extraordinary excellence of the concert Tuesday night in downtown Tampa. I first must disclaim that I sat on row 10, center section. Three years ago I sat in row 9, center section. I was blown away. This week's show was even better!

I now have seen all 4 of their Tampa area concerts, having left each one progressively blown away.

In this concert, right from the beginning, Aja just struck me hard. They played and sang it so well. The first round of the chorus instantly grabbed me. The sound was so amazing, it almost startled me. It was so clean and crisp, and it had a full and lush overall sound. From there they just continued on, astounding me all night long.

I literally could not have asked for more. In fact, I couldn't even have asked for what I got because it would have been impossible to have conceived of such a quality performance.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 21:55:12 ET
Posted by: J de Siecle, in PA

Peter Q - re: Becker and Fagen as sidemen. There was, of course, their contribution to that Rosie Vela (fashion model, Peter Max's girlfriend) album back in the mid-80s. That's the one that comes to mind.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 21:53:40 ET
Posted by: DACW,

W&D as sidemen/instrumentalists

Jay & the Americans - name of album? (B&F)

Rickie Lee Jones - Pirates (Fagen)

Eye to Eye - Shakespeare Stole my Baby (Fagen)

Diana Ross - song: Love Will Find a Way (Fagen)

Rosie Vela - Zazu (B&F)

trick Q part

Kamakiriad (Becker)

11ToW (Fagen)


I'm sure there are quite a few others...


numerous production:

RLJ

China Crisis

Bob Shephard

John Beasley

Lost Tribe

Woody & Chick

etc.

not to mention compilations/soundtrack contributions

ex. Glengarry Glen Ross


anyone looking for Dallas tix - contact me

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 21:20:43 ET
Posted by: Tomorrow's Girl, 7th Heaven

Anything I say would only be an understatement, but the show last night in Atlanta was wonderful. Donald is such a classy, talanted, intellegent gentelman, and everyone should see this right from the start. And I saw Walter as much cooler that I had ever imagined. The band was great, and Keith Carlock was a wiz on drums. The whole experience was more than I could have ever hoped for, and I'll carry the memory forever. As Donald has always been my own personal hero, I could hardly take my eyes off him, he is just TOO COOL. I'd be hard-pressed to say which tune was the best of the evening, Godwacker, TOOM,Kid C are just an example. I hope they never stop touring.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 20:59:33 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Eric, I didn't know. In jazz the leader almost always counts the band in.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 20:38:49 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, close

re: Ninos

I saw the commercial again . Both Ninos are owned by the same guy and are at the locations you mentioned.The commercial shows the guy in the kitchen putting together some beautifully presented food and then the SAME guy out in the restaurant serving the customers. I understand the implication but

NO WONDER THE SERVICE COULD BE BETTER !!!!!!!

It is truly amazing to share this level of participation with Fans from all over the continent and the world.I used to attend songwriter workshops in which the old geezers, some of whom had written a number of the most famous songs in recordings and on Broadway musicals would chastize the younger writers for getting too "personal" with their referrences.They rejected including specific names and places that would only be understood by the writers themselves because in their opinion the song would becpme less " universal ".Because I respected their craft, it stiffled my own writing for years.I'm glad D & W had the balls to do just the opposite with their own material which has certainly made it more fun for us.

I have learned so much from the writings of people here,whose diverse knowlege has made my personal enjoyment of these songs so much richer
and deeper.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 20:14:19 ET
Posted by: eric,

I had a great time at the Atlanta show last night, but I can't understand why the play list is so short. Springsteen busts his butt in playing a 3.5 hour or more set on a regular basis.

The Dan have plenty of material to select from...especially some really tasty things from 2vN, the Fagan solo stuff (Tea House on the Tracks would be a GREAT closer), etc.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 20:10:31 ET
Posted by: eric,

Peter...I've been to many a rock concert in my time, and have found it quite common for the drummer to count the band into a tune. This is a very common thing.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 19:41:24 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Quiz of the century, on what, if any, albums have B or F appeared on as sidemen?

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 19:38:46 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Jaydee - Carlock does something called "whipping" in which he gets a sound off the skins that I've never ever heard any other drummer get. Has to be the way he tightens the skins before the solo, or something like that. Also, he counts off the band at the beginning of each tune, which I don't understand at all.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 18:50:34 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

Here's some great live jazz records:

Bird & Diz (& Bud & Mingus & Max)-Jazz At Massey Hall
Charles Mingus-Mingus At Antibes
Branford Marsalis Trio-Bloomington
Wynton Marsalis Septet-Live At The Village Vanguard (Box)
Sonny Rollins-A Night At The Village Vanguard
Count Basie-At Newport
Duke Ellington-Live At Newport
Dexter Gordon-Homecoming
Any of those Jazz At The Philharmonic records
Oscar Peterson Trio-Live At The Stratford Shakesperean Festival
John Coltrane Quartet-Live At The Village Vanguard (Box)
John Coltrane Quartet-Live At Birdland
Miles Davis Quintet-Live At The Plugged Nickel (Box)
Miles Davis-Live Around The World (not really jazz, but still a great record)
Keith Jarrett Trio-At The Blue Note (Box)
Keith Jarrett Trio-Whisper Not
Cannonball Adderley Quintet-Mercy Mercy Mercy! Live At The Club
Lee Morgan-Live At The Lighthouse
Wayne Shorter Quartet-Footprints Live

Man, there's too much music in this world!

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 18:37:39 ET
Posted by: Q, TPA

Code S - great list

also:

Talking Heads

Santana Moonfllower or Buddy Miles/Santana Hawaii 7_?

Grateful Dead - which one? 7_?

Steely Dan Plush DVD - Sony Studios 2000

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 18:15:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Wood - Peg MUST be played at all SD concerts, it's the perfect blend of pop, rock, soul, jazz. I'm the person who bitches the most about their setlist around here and I have the whip marks to prove it but, no, leave the Peg alone. It's that damn FM what gotta go. Is it that they just like walking off to the vamp coda or wha? Dunno, dunno, but the FM stays around like a chemical spill. That last encore should THRILL the crowd, absolutely wallop you as audience member, like the Allmans ending with Layla. Brings you right up eye to eye with yourself, your life now, your past of course, it's gotta be emotional. I think they do FM to ease us back down and get us back to reality. After FM, we are truly through with buzz.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 17:32:15 ET
Posted by: eric,

Amen Woodman.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 17:08:31 ET
Posted by: NIce Guy, Toronto

Not sure whether it's been mentioned before, but there is an audio interview with Becker and Fagen regarding their recent album.

From NPR:

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1383222

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 15:06:48 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Wow you are really pushing it now!

I was born in the 50's but I won't ever walk away from an opportunity to be misunderstood as being young for may age! LOL

The reason I asked was because I thought maybe with Walter being a musician and all perhaps there was a double meaning of "guitar tabs". (The generation gap does extend beyond drug culture)

e.g. http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/tab.html

OK folks, go ahead and SLANG ME for that one!

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 14:39:18 ET
Posted by: angel,

Eric: If he misses that line again in Memphis, you will know that it was, ahem, deliberate....

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 14:22:18 ET
Posted by: Woodman, Disappointed but not disannointed

I am a HUGE SD fan since 77.

I have been going to concerts for over 30 years now, and I am proud of my collection of tickets. I went to the Toronto show. This was my second show. The band played very very well. I am a Carlock fan from now on. I was impressed with W's and John's guitar playing. And D was in fine form. I don't mind saying I was a bit disappointed with this year's set list.

The disappointment on the set list is this; I understand the theory of jamming classic hits on the set list for the fan that is coming to see them for the first time. I said I understand, but I do not agree with it. Especially in SD's case. Peg? C'mon guys, the reason why they don't play Rikki anymore is because both W and D stated they played it to death. Is this a Stone's tour? What are the chances that the Dan is going to tour within the next 10 years? Twice? Maybe if we are lucky 3 times. How many more times do we have to listen to Josie? What are they promoting Aja or EMG? I LOVE EVERY SONG SD DOES - but I feel cheated in the sense that SD plays the same old tunes on every tour. My critique on EMG is; OK, so it isn't Pretzel Logic - but it is better then no new Dan at all. There are some tunes on it (EMG, Mall, Godwhackers, Slang of Ages) that I am happy to hear. With that being said there are 5 tunes that can be inserted into the set list. For 2VN we got 1 lousy song! ONE LOUSY SONG! This was their comeback release - and like millions of Danfans, when it first came out it was an instant fave for me. There are easily 5 tunes they could have grabbed (2VN, West, Dupree, Shame, Abbie). Combined, there are 10 tunes for the newbies that the average danfan would appreciate too. Quick - grab another 5 tunes that ALL danfans would love to hear live(Any Major Dude, B-town, Sneakers, I Got The News, Fire in the hole etc etc). That still leaves another 5 tunes for the Top 40 fan.
Using this philosophy there would be 20 tunes - 10 since the comeback and 10 from the original period. Having the periods mingled side-by-side would give the newer ones more appeal (as if they need it!)and spunk up the old ones (as if they need it!). W and D have enough integrity to create a set list like this and they certainly have the band available to play it too. I just don't understand why they have to drag out the old tunes (that have been played on nearly every tour since 91).

To fuel the best live album fire:
The Who - Live at Leeds
The Band - Rock of Ages
Buddy Guy - This is Buddy Guy
B.B. King - Live at the Regal
Bill Evans Trio - Live at the Village Vanguard
Di Meola, McLaughlin, and DeLucia - Friday Night in San Francisco

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 13:39:50 ET
Posted by: paige 2, petaluma Calif.

Some fool is erasing my important informative posts.

Manners Possums!

Paige Two going on page three

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 12:54:18 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Several observations and suggestions after the Atlanta show:

1. The show was great. That is one powerful band backing Don and Walt.

2. Walt was great during the show. His vocal solos were right one. In introducing the band members, he was very converatinal and funny.

3. Donald missed the "We trck your almight ass" line in Godwhacker...man, I was soooo waiting on that line.

4. The crowd was REALLY into it...often drowning out Donald and the back-up singers.

5. I know that Carolyn Leonhart is pretty enough, but Victoria Cave is by far the sexiest of Dan girls over the years. Pitty she's not on the tour.

6. The fellas may want to require their stage hands to wear black full-length pants rather than shorts. Every time the wire on Donald's "guitar/keyboard hybrid" becamae tangled, a short guy with fat legs in shorts would walk acros stage...very distracting.

Great show overall though.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 12:51:13 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Sorry if I came off as rude...I just meant I was a teensy bit jealous of someone too young to know the expression. I have read that the whole song is about a drug deal.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 11:50:10 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Sorry AF! I didn't expect that from an innocent question.

I'll try to be more 'cool" or maybe not bother asking next time.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 11:37:36 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, DANcing in Bethel

Good morning all (Well for some of you it's still evening, or maybe even afternoon!) I was happy to see that others thought the same thing I did of "Third World Man" on the first tour. Being my first Steely Dan concert (Hartford Civic Center-8/17/93), it it always remembered by me as my "quintissential live Dan moment."
bratfile-MANY of Walter's references are about drugs (and Donald's too, for that matter). This is true for Steely Dan material as well as 11 Tracks of Whack.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 11:36:07 ET
Posted by: Bill, in the Strangest of Places

The Manatee Bar is featured in today's comic strip "Mother Goose and Grimm" by Mike Peters. See http://www.grimmy.com/daycartoon.asp

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 10:33:45 ET
Posted by: angel,

Broadway Steve: More then one Nino's in NYC, according to Google. Nino Positano on 2nd Ave and 47th. Nino's on 1st Ave and 72nd Street. But still, you might be on the right track there.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 10:22:55 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London England

Sorry to post a drummer's question (yeah we all know the jokes) but I'd like some info from those who have seen Mr Carlock in action, especially as he seems to be getting standing o's at every gig. I know how boring drum solos can be (believe me, I've played a few) but this guy seems to be hitting the spot every time.

I've seen the video clip of his solo with a band called (I think) Oz, and though it's great to watch, it just seems a bit of a rocky kind of solo for SD, so does he tidy or jazz it up a bit for 'Josie'? Does he keep it short and sweet like Chambers on AIA (I like that solo) or move into 'In a gadda da vida' territory?

Also, most drummers tend to go either for the crowd-pleasing showman style or the subtle stuff that drummers love (eg Gadd on '50 ways' or Ed Green on 'Maxine'), so where does he pitch it?

And does he do the 'stick click' in Aja?

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 10:19:55 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Bratfille - you're kidding, right? "Tabs" are LSD doses. Guess you weren't around for the Swingin' Sixties.
My dear daughter (referred to elsewhere on these pages as Janie Runaway) has a friend currently attending Bard College up in Annandale...I will try to find out whether they talk up their alumni. Penny

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 09:21:44 ET
Posted by: El Nino, Upper East Side

Ding Ding Ding. Two bonus points for B'way Steve. Yes. That is the place.

Donald Fagen is the Woody Allen of Rock and Roll. Discuss.

L. N.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 06:43:01 ET
Posted by: ,

http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/0903/20dan.html?urac=n&urvf=10640542133050.33848994439788926

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 06:36:05 ET
Posted by: Pam,

Gretchen, I am right there with you on "Shakin' All Over". Live at Leeds is the best live album ever, but it's waiting to be de-throned by the 2003 SD Tour Album! Right? Please? Anyone, anyone?

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 04:06:21 ET
Posted by: Halfdan McHannabis, Fascists at the gate in Atl.

First off, 'twas the most incredible concert I've ever attended. With one small exception, everything was great. The sound was excellent, the boys just plain rocked. Every song was right on, and I could rave on for pages about the rest of the band. The one bad thing was the part where I got frisked at the gate. I had a spliff stashed in my glasses case, having read so much about the sweet scent at other shows and figuring everything would be cool. Damn, was I wrong. There were these two guys in hifi-buys t-shirts shaking peo...I mean doing security. I've gotten less thorough searchings from cops. My joint was spotted right off and I got hassled 'don't you know you can go to jail for this? I ought to call my cop friend. c'mon, I know you got more, where is it?' It was unreal. I'm guessing they went off and smoked it as soon as the lights went down. Damn good thing my dear ol' dad managed to smuggle his in. :P Take that you weed-jackers!

Other than that, they ROCKED! Especially My old School, Kid Charlemagne, and that drum solo in Josie. I don't even like 'em(drum solo's that is), and I was entranced. Oh yeah, and Parker's Band. Those girls can /sing/, and they're so pretty too. Like I said, it was the best concert I've ever been to.

1/2dan

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 01:26:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Calling all Danites in Atlanta, come in Hi-Fi Buys Amphitheatre (wah?). We await that taste you said you'd bring to us.

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Date: Sat, September 20, 2003, 00:06:44 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, Times Sq

I was watching the Food Network and saw a commercial for a restaurant on 2nd Ave and 82nd on the upper East Side .

Ninos

Could it be THE ninos ?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 22:33:30 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

The best ROCK live album is Waiting for Columbus - the remastered ed.

The Mingus Antibes' 1960 is a pinnacle...in a sense, it's not fair, because all Blue Note albums were recorded LIVE


Just scoped out samples of the new Der Stingle album on his home sight...sigh

I'm a pretty big Sting fan, although Brand New Day and Mercury Falling are pretty mixed...but the Police work was freshm amazing, set boundries not explored since... The Dream of the Blue Turtles eclectic, Nothing Like the Sun...an upswelling of lyricism and inventivenss, Soul Cages a bleak, modal, haunting album, and Ten Summoner's Tale a professional pop/jazz album more complex than appears with the whole greater than the some of the parts...

...but, I tell ya - EMG and the tour reflect creative minds that are rejeuvinated...STEELY DAN STILL GOT MAJOR GAME...

I had heard the dreadful single "Send Me Your Love"...which somehow is racing up the charts...but it did not prepare me for the sonority and drivel that appears to be Sacred Love...it attempts to pick up with the pseudo Middle Eastern electronica of the Jaguar commercial song...

I mean it's just flat embarrasing - down there with McCartney's worst...or any Madonna album

Steely Dan being the unusual exception, most artists only have so much real creativity in the tank...when it's gone it's gone...for example, I hate to say it but while Michael McDonald still makes decent albums, the magic and creativity from the McDoobies through his first solo album is gone...and not coming back. He had a great run...

On the other had, when I listen to Lunch with Gina, Pixeleen, GreenBook, the title track, Things I Miss the Most, Godwhacker - this stuff still has snap, crackle, and pop!

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 21:35:13 ET
Posted by: Zim, in the windy hills

WuDuF-Hey, where are you? Meeting go well on Tuesday? Come and chat it's Friday.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 20:50:47 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Lyrics - Slang of Ages

Is this another drug reference?

These tabs look iffy - you say they're good
Let's roll with the homey's - knock on wood

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 19:21:06 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Oh yeah...and I LOVE the Jack of Speed on Plush....

Out for a Friday...DFD

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 19:18:33 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

seth2112...fully aware that I won't be trading fours with Charlie at this or any future SD show ('cept maybe the one mentioned below where the boys do Mary had a Little Lamb on the harmonica)

Yeah, doesn't translate well... would be a waste of all that fire power on stage...etc. Still working on the lottery solution to get me to the Maui show - so you never know...Master plan looks like:

1.Win lottery
2.Go to Maui show
3.Pay off every obstacle to get to Donald personally before show
4.Pay off Donald to play Charlie Freak

Never give up on your dreams, kids.


AIA fave for me mentioned just below...Third World Man. As taboo as it may be for the Dan to have a patented guitar lead played basically note for note, I absolutely LOVE it. I CRANK that one up! Is that Zing on that one - anybody?

DFD

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 19:15:27 ET
Posted by: DACW,

AiA: I don't know if it's the engineering or the overdubbing, but AiA is not as crisp as the St Louis '93 tape. Having said that I love the performances and the differences subtle of not on the different tracks. The '93 groups in particular shines on Green Earrings, TWM...How 'bout that revamped Sign in Stranger?!! That sneaky big band horn break is the apex of the album...Peg and Josie and Kid C sound a little flat..but I dig the all saxophones ladies and gentlemen Reelin'...Aja came out quite dreamy...I agree that Book of Liars is another highlight...check out the interplay between Bernhardt and Erskine in the intrumental break...Walter's vocals are better live, which is why I like his Slang of Ages...cut mostly live...AiA remains an underrated disc IMO...

On the other hand, Plush just cranks...Gaslighting Abbie and Bad Sneakers are near religious experiences (if ya don't puke from the cinematic gang bang (Walter's coined phrase) camera work...

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 18:45:06 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

We've been told that Gary Katz, producer of many SD albums, was actually more a functionary of the band and not it's musical Obi-ben Kanobi ala George Martin. Not even the influence of a Hugh Padgam or Brian Eno. Apparently, he hired the side men and acquired whatever the Boys required which, come to think of it, must have been a full time job.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 18:28:02 ET
Posted by: angel,

Alive in America: I love the slowed down Third World Man and the new (at the time) arrangement of Reelin'. It's not perfect, but I liked it. Now a new one from this tour....yeah, I am all over that.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 18:15:55 ET
Posted by: DEACON BLUE, BRUSSELS, BELGIUM

Today i was wondering what happened to Gary Katz?
With him SD sounded different,isn't it?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 18:02:16 ET
Posted by: Here's a thought or two,

With Steely Dan playing Memphis tomorrow night and Mike McDonald living in Nashville, is there a chance he will head to Memphis and partake in the Steely Dan show there? Whaddyathinkarethechances???

ALSO:
I noticed that the Doobies Brothers (who are playing sans Michael McDonald this tour) are playing the Las Vegas Hilton next Friday and Saturday. Steely Dan is playing Mandalay Bay of course. Neato coincidence.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:57:52 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Amen to Running On Empty, a classic document of a touring musician's life in the 70s with hotel and bus recordings as well as on stage, plus a timely updating of Rev. Gary Davis' description of the Bolivian Marching Powder that made it all possible (strained SD connection: the coke dealer in Glamour Profession). Damn good band, too, with LA heavyweights David Lindley, Russ Kunkel, Lee Sklar, Danny Kootch and Craig Doerge.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:54:44 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, Gasin' up the Chrysler for Memphis

Standard issue live albums in suburban Milwaukee in the 70's...Head East Live and REO -- You get what you play for!

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:51:06 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Thanks Bill! Very well put.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:14:48 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via NYC

danfandan,
u have a better shot in winning the lottery than hearing charlie freak

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:07:08 ET
Posted by: lp, @quitting time

hey tones, you sweet pea

everything but the girl is actually a couple and they, like other bands we know, bring in studio musicians to do the other parts

i'm a big fan - i think they are hyper produced in a good way and her voice is amazing! they were very cool and respectful in concert too

favorite live albums - i see since we are all dating ourselves that i might as well too:

1. cheap trick live (i just cannot BELIEVE nobody said that - they were a fun band in an off beat wacked way long before bare naked ladies)
2. kinks live (though i think someone might have said it)
3. dave brubeck - concord on a summer night or jazz goes to college or live at the college of the pacific or the 25th reunion on the quartet release - he's just so pure live that any live release is incredible
4. i'm on the wrong board to say this but dave matthews live release is pretty damn good

but, to act like a 10 year old again (no comment), isn't it all live - are you dead otherwise when you record? look at jackson browne (hi clas) recording in hotel rooms, and REM performing radio free europe in a garage - great stuff

i loved alive in america, btw, for my steely dan reference requirement - my favorite was sign in stranger with the new lyrics - i think i like it because i was there for that tour and i can remember it when i hear it

live release from this tour, sorry folks, is the massachusetts show - roseland rocked because we all know, or were part of, the audience - but boston rocked, baby!

have a good weekend

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:05:00 ET
Posted by: Laina, SLO

Kramm said: "Brittney - Live in Vegas (dvd version and the sound off)"

I am so mad at you for that!! LOL.

Lainalove

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:03:11 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" The standout on AIA for me is Walt's singing "Book of Liars." A "Live at Roseland" DVD would be supreme. "

Amen , oh " Snarky " one .

" Book of Liars " is the only track off of " Alive in America " that comes across with ANY feeling whatsoever .

A poor " half-assed " disc if there EVER was one . Sold what , about ninety five copies world-wide or something ???????????

Shecky !

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 17:00:47 ET
Posted by: Jason, Live Zep

For all of you listing Song Remains the Same on your top live album list I *strongly* urge you to go out and get the new 3 CD set How the West Was Won and reconsider which you like best. It's one of the best releases of this year and IMHO is a more accurate representation of what a Led Zep show was like.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:36:38 ET
Posted by: cram,

man..........jus' one last one........I'd say, King Curtis, Live at the Fillmore................not easy to find it, but has the ultimate soul band intro.........and it's where Bernard "pretty" Purdy does that funk thang with his hi-hats.........if you haven't heard it, you'll bust a woody when you do

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:35:59 ET
Posted by: Gretchen ,

Best live cut: "Shakin' all Over"........Live at Leeds

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:32:55 ET
Posted by: krammm ,

best live

Brittney - Live in Vegas (dvd version and the sound off)
WFC - feat
ND - HOT august (u know i'm goin there)
DEEP PURPLE - live at buddah
JT live - just millworker
last waltz - joni

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:24:17 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

OK, best individual live cut:

Crossroads - Cream.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:12:01 ET
Posted by: sh,

kram - lol!

another great live album - Natural Wonder (Stevie, of course)

and excuse me, it should have read "rollah skatahs"...as DF would say

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:02:15 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Rock of Ages - The Band
SD connection: Libby Titus, ex-Mrs. Levon Helm

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 16:00:40 ET
Posted by: kram (drinking in the green mountains), vt

use guys better stop neil diamond bashing, i'll sik h.dean on ya'
go neil- love on the rox----hey it's no charlie freak

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:55:07 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Some more fine live albums, less "rock" and closer to modern day SD:

Too Late To Stop Now: Van Morrison
Belfast Opera House: Van Morrison
Bring On The Night: Sting w/Branford, Kenny Kirkland, et. al.
Shadows & Light: Joni Mitchell w/Metheny,Jaco, M. Brecker, et. al.
Live From Planet Earth: The Neville Brothers

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:50:36 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

I forgot to add Tower of Power Live and in Living Color.
I listened to the AIA cd this summer, in prep for the tour. The anticipation of seeing them live made me enjoy it through more rose colored glasses. The standout on AIA for me is Walt's singing "Book of Liars." A "Live at Roseland" DVD would be supreme.
Is Little Feat coming around soon? Saw them in New Haven 2 years ago.
Waiting for Columbus is one of my all time faves. "Fat Man in a Bathtub" rocks, and you have to love "Don't Bogart that Joint."

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:36:45 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, utopia

oops forgot about:

Live Bullet - Bob Seger

Pulse - Pink Floyd

and of course no collection would be without:

Hot August Night - Neil Diamond

Regards,

RCray

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:28:17 ET
Posted by: Code S.,

Live stuff of note, in my book...

Allman Brothers - Fillmore East
Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine/Four And More ('64)
Dead - Europe '72
Metheny Group - Travels
Feats - Waiting For Columbus
Coltrane - Live at the Village Vanguard, 1961
Who - Live at Leeds
Zappa - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6
Dead - One From the Vault
Joni - Shadows and Light
Les McCann and Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement
Jimi - Band of Gypsys
Clapton - Unplugged
Wynton Kelly Trio w/Wes Montgomery - Smokin' At The Half Note
Phish - A Live One
Neil Young - Live Rust

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:26:44 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" This is a difficult concept for the terminally hip like your truly but a truism nevertheless. Me, I'm in the closet for liking certain ditties by Everthing But the Girl, Pet Shop Boys, TLC, you know, junk food pop, can't help it. Embarassing but true. "

Never say , " In the closet " to the Joey .

Western World it's a Dead-End world ;

With East End Rajah's and West End Joey's ......................

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:21:46 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Agreed about Waiting For Columbus, the best live album in history for my money. It was heavily overdubbed, however, just like AIA, mostly for superior sound, not to correct mistakes -- Lowell George was a perfectionist. It just jumps out of your speakers, and if you all think Carlock is hot, listen to Richie Hayward! There's a 25th anniversary edition out that includes a second CDs worth of outtakes - get it.

The live album Little Feat did the late 90's in their current incarnation, Live from Neon Park, is just as hot in this Feat fanatic's opinion, but is really live with no tinkering, mostly because of improvements in technology. Plus, unlike SD, Little Feat actively supports taping and often provides soundboard feeds, so fans can trade very high quality copies of nearly every show. And they mix up their sets except for the obligatory Dixie Chicken, which is always filled with interesting detours even thought they play it every show. Somebody learned something about free marketing from the Grateful Dead.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:14:27 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

I get Peter's point - many of the really successful touring acts, not the sellout pop types who make their money from CDs but the ones that pack in live audiences, target their show toward the hard-core fan by emphasising obscure cuts, improvising and most of all mixing up set lists from night to night so there's a good reason to see multiple shows. Not just the Dead but most of the so-called jam bands the came after them, as well as folks like Zappa, did this. The musicians and the audience appreciate the variety.

Steely Dan could easily put together two different nights' worth of songs featuring a nice mix of well known and obscure material even just drawing on stuff that has been performed since 1993 (for which horn and vocal arrangements exist) and alternate them, which would go a long way toward doubling their crowd size once the word got out (and it does get out, here along with other places). I think this is exactly what the Allman Brothers did until Dickey Betts got the boot - now they mix it up even more.

There are exceptions: Jimmy Buffett, James Taylor, Steve Miller all do "greatest hits" type shows as far as I know and get lots of us middle aged folks to show up every year, but I don't know if they mix up their sets from night to night within a tour - I tend to doubt it.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:13:21 ET
Posted by: RCray, nirvana

Rajah,

Yeah I hate the way they used the crowd and faded it in and out to make it sound like one concert. Live is what it is RAW and NASTY. Their attention to detail should be left off of any new live production and let the music just speak for itself. IT was a godsend but now I am spoiled with having seen them so many times.

It just doesn't gel. It also sounds a little flat to me. Josie is good and Babylon sisters but there really is no one stand out track that just blows your mind. Just my two cents...

Listen to Little Feat's Waiting for Columbus to see what I mean.

NY Rock and Soul Revue has more emotion than Alive in america as does the TVN live Dvd.

Good Topic.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:04:04 ET
Posted by: aja22063@aol.com, this endless.......afternoon............

How about Josies for the female fans?
As far as live rock albums........

Live at Leeds
Humble Pie Live at the Filmore
Allmans at the Filmore
Frampton
the live album by Free
Joni Mitchell's Shadows & Light
Zeppelin's Song Remains the Same (I like Live Stairway to Heaven better than studio version)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 15:00:55 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

The point is being missed. The point is, they don't play the shows for the groupies but for the casual fan who says "What can we do Saturday night? Oh, Steely Dan is playing the Pitchfork Theater, aren't they those guys that did Aja? Let's go check them out." Which is better than going to the Multiplex for the 40th Saturday night in a row. This the point.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 14:48:59 ET
Posted by: Laina, should be sick in bed, not at the computer

Truth Jr., Todd Rundgren is nice, and I like Deee-Lite. They were fun. I LOVE Jamiroquai. Been an avid fan since I heard of them in '96. And yes, Jay Kay does an excellent job singing funk/soul. He's got it. (And he's got me, I've had a crush on him since back then and it won't go away. *blushing*)

Check out "Falling", "Soul Education", "When You Gonna Learn", "Love Foolosophy"....I could go on...*swoon*

To make this tangentially SD-related. . .I would like to consider myself a Steely Dan enthusiast. :o)

Lainalove

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 14:40:20 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Salut Phil
Merci beaucoup pour tes petits mots apropos du livre SD de Brian Sweet. Je suis certaine que si tu comprends l'anglais aussi bien que tu l'ecris donc tu aurais attrape assez bien le sens.

(Je m'excuse pour les fautes grammatical dedans!)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 14:32:34 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Yeah well for my money the best live album ever is the guitarist Zachary Breaux recorded live at Ronnie Scott's in London, that version of Coltrane's Impressions is the most mind blowing tune ever!!!!! But it's out of print and every time I find it on Ebay the bids get whacky, like in the $200 plus range.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 14:17:10 ET
Posted by: sh,

angel - oy! you know i love ya - but you're killin' me here...lol

Steely Dan groupies - roller skaters... :-)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 14:04:02 ET
Posted by: Bill, Maryland

Does anyone have photos, similar to one's on the Dan's site, from the Saturday Roseland show they'd be willing to share?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:59:21 ET
Posted by: Paige, Modesto but soon to be New Mexico

Truth Jr.,

Todd Rules for Sure! My favorite!

Love,

The real Paige

Did not know SD had groupies? Why would they? I guess even the leftovers of the dead have groupies so go figure??????

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:57:19 ET
Posted by: angel, Dan Fan

Suedave: Thanks for the comments on my webpage. Yes, I feel a bit like Lou Gerhrig, regarding the taxi event with John Herrington. I am indeed, one of the luckest Dan Fans in the world. Though I think Danfiend probably puts herself higher, after the Cynthia meet and greet. :-)
Regarding my webpage. I have posted some of the shots from the concert, including the one of Walter going into the Backstage door at Roseland. That's Big and Burly opening the door for him, btw.

http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/angel8.html

I have to fight for some time on my computer, since my child has it during school nights, so it has been a challenge scanning the stuff and putting it up. I have a few more, but these are some of the best. Hopefully, it will be completed, over the weekend.

Ed Beatty: Got your pictures. E-me with your address and I will send them your way.

Gretchen: I own 2 Ambrosia albums and some of their stuff Rocks! I tend to skip some of the mainstream stuff, for their more edgy selections. They also have some connections to the Dan, Royce Jones and Michael McDonald.

Snakie: Sorry girlfriend, I like Neil Diamond and my licence plate (when I owned a car) used to reflect that fact. Maybe it's a NY thing. Again, I don't like everything, but, definitely some of his work, moves me. When I took my audio class in college, they used his album "Beautiful Noise", to check out the different makes and models of stereo equipment. The only other performer I have heard used for this purpose is, of course, Steely Dan.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:53:27 ET
Posted by: Dave, Mass.

RCRAY:
like your list of live favorites. I too am hoping for something definitive from SD from this tour.
My 2 cents for best live albums,

1 thru 3 in no particular order:
Allmans - Filmore (maybe the best live album ever!)
Led Zep - Song remains the same
Deep Purple - Made in japan
others of note:
Frampton comes alive
Little feat's waiting for columbus
Lynyrd Skynyrd - 1 more from the road
NY rock and soul review (sentimental fav.)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:52:58 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

RCRAY -Alive in America was a godsend when it appeared. I realize it's an almost live album with D&W messing with it later. Is that what you object to? What kind of live album do you envision?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:50:10 ET
Posted by: sh,

t - i'd love to see you blush ;-)

i just did some quick research - Madison Time = Ray Bryant (also Cubano Chant)...as Emily Latilla of SNL would have said "never mind"...

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:42:11 ET
Posted by: tones, blushing...

sh - I hadn't realized you'd ever heard me play... care to extrapolate? Must be the hair... ;-)

lp - ignored? I've saved every post you've ever made to my hard drive!

I agree with much of what Gretchen so eloquently stated about DF's stage presence. I think the glasses help him focus and get deep into the music, where he has to be to assume the characters in the songs and sing that fine line. And he's forever changed my pronuciation of certain words, like "qwata"

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:34:28 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Luuuunchhhh w/ Webster

Tangentially (non-gender specific) Dan-related euphemisms for groupie:

Dan-mirer
Danatic
Danthusiast
DanBandBooster
Danvotee (my personal fav)

Oh, and Gretchen, those shoes you wear are n/k/a Steely-ettos.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:34:04 ET
Posted by: sh,

kram - lighten up...don't be a wet noodle... and i suppose you liked the movie Saving Silverman...sheesh

anybody know who originally recorded Madison Time? i only know of the version on Rock and Soul Revue and it's fabulous (wow...there's a great live album)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:29:33 ET
Posted by: phil, France

Peter and Brat, ok I'm french and maybe I didn't understand everything Brian Sweet wrote in his book "Reelin' in the years" but he did his best to write an almost exhaustive history of the band. he took the time to interview almost everyone who had a connection with the Dan and who was still alive at that time . Some say D&W hate him, please when did they say that? The book includes some pictures of Don at home with his mum, I don't think he stole the picture and he surely had Donald's autorisation to publish it.Maybe there are a few mistakes in there but most of all it's a goldmine for any fan, you'll find a lot of funny stories you won't find anywhere else, how they recruted Jeff Porcaro for example and to me it's a very respectfull book. You really should read it. And let's not forget that Brian created the Metal leg fanzine, Peter Fogel brought it to another level that's true but anyway, thanks Brian !
I hope someone else with a better english will feel the same !

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:25:22 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

no offense but ND is a great sonwriter- no matter how ridiculous he looks and acts/ read his words - and i would reference what about bob if you held a wet noodle to my head...
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can
be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae
the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe.

Fcuknig amzanig, huh? go dan

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:24:31 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, Nirvana

Steely Dan needs a definitive Live Album.

Alive in America is absurd.

Something along the lines of :

The Who live at leeds

Stones - get your Ya Ya's out

Grateful dead - Europe 72'

Frampton comes alive

Eagles hell freezes over

It sounds like the Roseland shows would be perfect.

"Steely Dan Live at Roseland"

--or maybe release the Two Vs. nature Live DVD on CD. That would be delightful.

Let's open this for discussion.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:22:40 ET
Posted by: Truth Jr.,

"Caucasion" funk/soul masters:

Tower of Power

Average White Band

Todd Rundgren

Jamiroquai

Dee-lite

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:11:40 ET
Posted by: sh,

"There are two kinds of people in this world, those who love Neil Diamond and those who hate him..." - Bill Murray in "What About Bob" explaining to his shrink why his wife divorced him. And I agree - puleeez....let's not bring up ND on this board.

I always thought you had to sleep with the rock stars to be a groupie...I aspired to be a groupie years ago, but never quite had the nerve :-s

Donald could sing anything and I'd like it ...just the attitude, the way he says the words...he's just so snarky (i like that word)

t - you know you're my favorite bass player ;-) and i really like the word extrapolate...

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:10:56 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

PQ - thanks for the reference list.

Too bad no long time fan or groupie has conquered their 'need' or addiction to SD the way Elton John's fan, Elizabeth Rosenthal, did when she wrote "His Song". She was just a megafan with a mission who came up with a well researched book without his help. She also used to post on his fan site.


Gretchen: Hi!

I can't believe you mentioned Soul Makossa!!!! M. Dibango's music was the only good thing my X brought to my life. The song "Dangwa" was "da bomb". I've got to hand it to him ..... in true TIMTM style, he got much of our CD collection, but for some reason he put aside our differences when I asked him to burn me a copy of his no-longer-to-be-found Soul Makossa LP.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:07:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Little birdey friends
Little wild ones
Litle bitty pretty ones
Dan-o-phillies
Snarkies
Rosedarlings
Donny's delights
Steelitas
Beckerinas
Chicky-boom-booms
and, wait for it, Gretchen: Parafagenymphs

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 13:03:10 ET
Posted by: Zim, reading a thesaurus

Other words for groupie:
admirer
enthusiast
booster
patron
fanatic
supporter
follower
devotee

Take your pick, the one that fits your personality perhaps. Personally I don't want to be known as a fanatic-sounds like someone a little too unstable, or a supporter-sounds like a piece of male athletic equipment.

My vote is for enthusiast.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:47:52 ET
Posted by: kram (loves neil diamond), cow country

there were some guys drunk as hootowls at oakdale (ct)screamin and yellin-it was odd...- it just seems like it's not kind of music that stoners and the phish crowd will go after, for the most part - The "wall dancers" (you know,the kind of crowd that follows the dead -dave matthews etc)- but DAN is not selling the kind of units (125-200k) or packing the venues that those acts do either 20-50,000 a show in some cases-.... 5-6k venue size is about tops for dan - and that ain't alot of gross- 3-400k a show max- might sound like a lot, but they have one huge ass payroll- so they get a handful of the faithful (all of us in here) but still count on and have a new contingent that only comes to hear cuz dupree (maybe)-19-reelin sheaths--ie "the hits" - and no...they are obviosly very reluctant and maybe embarrased to do the audience sing along-

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:46:21 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

But we're all groupies in here to some extent or this place wouldn't exist! Actually, I think the audience can participate if they wish to with or withou't D & W's coaxing. If someone really want's to participate (keeping it legal and within reason) they can do so. No one expects the audience to just sit passively, unless it's a symphony. "Groupie" is such an awful word. God, can't we come up with something else that's a little more distinguished? Let's work on that. Anyone?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:41:37 ET
Posted by: ZIm,

Yeah Gretchen! Always thought that bands who egged on the audience were a bit hokey. Heck, we used to make fun of the audience when we went to see our friends play because the band could get them to do anything-even if it was stupid. But at least we got a good laugh out of it.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:28:33 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Well Gretch, what do you think the trio of backup singers does during the show? They're extremely animated and bantering with the audience constantly. What's wrong with that? It's fun. You're advocating the idea of the concert being a passive medium, not an interactive one. Kind of blase'. Besides, you're one of the groupies, you're perhaps not considering the question in the most objective way.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:19:00 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, @work, should not be reading bluebook

Peter,
Don't you think the concept of the band reaching out and encouraging audience participation is at all hokey? I mean, c'mon, we don't want it to be like some jug band at a Hooterville hoedown or a redneck fest with all the drunken gearheads in their AC/DC t shirts pumping their fists and screaming "YEAH! YEAH!" The style of SD is not to do that sort of thing. I know you aren't praising Sammy Hagar, but he is the more redneck rowdy type, as are many other bands, and SD fans just don't fit the prototype of their fans. I'd rather not see the band on stage acting like a bunch of obnoxious DJ's goading everyone into participating. I'm there to listen to the music, and study Don.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:08:59 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Everything but the Girl, live? What kind of band(?) did they have?

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 12:00:58 ET
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ lunch

ouch, must weigh in, however ignored -

i would not put everything but the girl in a junk pop category

i see them as more sophisticated than that, really

saw them live about 10 years ago and they were fabulous!

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:56:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretch - tell us how you really feel, punkin. You don't seem to have a problem expressing yourself - we likee.

OK, I know I'm beating a dead horse but while listening to Citizen SD disc 2, basically from CBAT thru Katy Lied, I think I know that little something that's missing from Steely Dan 2.0 (you know, the 2nd coming): Victor Feldman. Shit, this guy made everything he touched sooo tasty. A little clang here, a little tinkle there, chirps, clicky things going off, wangy things. It really decorated a lot of SD songs, made them fun and slightly surreal. And fun, he was fun. Our boys need somebody like that again, I worry that the music is getting too serious, not the lyrics, but the music.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:54:08 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Brat - Brian Sweet's books are not liked much by Dan fans, and allegedly Walt and Don hate him, but he has interviewed many of the musicians from the 70s albums. Peter Lavazoli has a book on Duke Ellington that has a chapter on SD, and Greg Tate's book Everything But The Burden has a great essay by Vernon Reid on the group.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:48:43 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

I see I have failed to articulate what I meant. I meant to say there are performers and groups who have the same (if not higher) level of pop music sophistication as Steely Dan and yet at the same time ENGAGE the audience at a live show and make it rip roaring fun for all, like for example Maxwell.

I'm not talking about the groupies who post on this board, are in the first three rows at every show on the tour and would go nuts if Don and Walt came out, played Mary Had A Little Lamb on a harmonica, and then walked off the stage for the night. The approval of groupies and the hardcore fan base is a given. I mean the people in the nosebleed seats getting down with the get down. I purposely sat in the worst seats in the house at two shows just to survey the audience.
I would say the reaction was polite, enthusiastic clapping.

Compare this with a Sammy Hagar show (and I'm not comparing him to Steely Dan or saying he's on their level, so don't react in that way)where virtually every fucking person in the whole show is up dancing and partying, and most of them are even't acquainted with his music at all. I mean to say I would like to see more effort to reach out.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:25:57 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Ok, if it's musical confession time, I'll have to come clean. RAJAH-I have in my vast CD collection "Crazysexycool" by TLC. I am not ashamed, that album kicked ass. I also have "Dream Weaver", "Anthology of Bread" and "Ambrosia's Greatest Hits." And my collection also contains the complete "Soul Hits of the 70's" with such gems like "Soul Makossa," "Suavecito" and the "Theme from Cleopatra Jones." However, most of my time is spent listening to the Dan or to my jazz cd's like Mingus, Oscar Peterson, Sonny Rollins, Art Blakey, Coltrane, Monk, Parker, Basie, etc etc.
Some songs, and singers, however are pure tripe and stations playing their "music" should be censored by the FCC. Our skinny Ms. Dion leads the pack, along with Jenny from the block, screaming mimi Mariah, and that over pierced peroxide queen Aguilera. They make me violently ill, and I wouldn't impose their vocals on a pack of iguanas.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:18:34 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Does anyone know if there is a Steely Dan biography out there that is critically accepted? I'm getting tired of referring back to the opinion of AMG for more info.

Hey Raj
While your on the topic of too much of a good thing, let's not forget how great Christine McVie's songs were on FM albums, but that sweet syrupy stuff on it's own lacked substance. (I missed her on SYW)

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 11:13:02 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, rainbound

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 10:58:03 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - Aside from being as guilty as anyone as far as feeling superior for digging the Dan, you bring up two interesting points here. It should not matter who is performing, be it Maria Carey, Barry Manilow, La Aguilera, that god-awful Celine Dion, whomever, a good song well rendered is deserving of praise. This is a difficult concept for the terminally hip like your truly but a truism nevertheless. Me, I'm in the closet for liking certain ditties by Everthing But the Girl, Pet Shop Boys, TLC, you know, junk food pop, can't help it. Embarassing but true.

As far as white people trying to sound black, well, I think if a white singer is trying to sound black, they are doomed to failure. A guy like Mike McDonald gets away with it because it seems and sounds quite natural to him, it doesn't jar. But I heard somebody say something interesting about MMD: he has a great voice and all but if you hear an entire album of his stuff, there's a tendency to get bored after about four or five songs, he, in my mind, cannot sustain being the featured vocalist. That's why he was perfect in the limited role he had with the Boys.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 10:54:56 ET
Posted by: kramster, vt (go dean)

Peter ..............................I would like to nuzzle you .

Sir Joey likes to nuzzle huh??

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 10:54:24 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, BigFan/Big D

Re: the Star Telegram article. BigFan, read the last paragraph. You think he knows something we don't? He can keep Rikki, but I'll take a few Fagen solos.....

Suedave: got a question for you. Check my e-dress and give me a shout.

Anyone near an American Airlines hub: check out the weekend specials from Chicago and other cities to Big D. What more could you ask for? Naked Lunch on Saturday and Steely Dan on Sunday, not to mention the GREAT company and cool swaps.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 10:42:55 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Hey Truth, we all know you're Shaun and Davis because you, like them, can't spell simple words and names. And "Micheal" McDonald, as you spelled it, is another *primo* example of white boy droop, thanks for reminding me.

Joey - nuzzle The Truth, aka Shaun No Show!

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 10:10:01 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I want to explore the differences between practicioners of sophisticated pop music who are easily the equal of Steely Dan in terms of musical cleanliness and metronomic anality like, say, Maxwell, without degenerating into this kind of bullshit:" Well, I'm such a sophisticated person with refined taste and judgment and that's why I'm a Steely Dan fan and you like the Stones or Mariah Carey." This is a vexing problem indeed. "

Peter ..............................I would like to nuzzle you .

Jacky !

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 09:20:42 ET
Posted by: Zim, watching the remnants of Isabel

Writers comments in review at Star Telegram review today in reference to EMG: "and utterly without the sort of inventiveness and surprise of classic records such as Katy Lied or Pretzel Logic. Too safe by half, the newer records have long stretches that sound like a very good imitation of Steely Dan, rather than building on the legacy of their fantastic '70s output."

So what CD called EMG has he been listening to? Sure doesn't sound like the same one we've all be groovin on!

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 09:18:50 ET
Posted by: The Truth, Be There Now

Peter Q:

#1-Micheal McDonald is white.
#2-Baxter didn't leave SD because he wanted to.
#3-Don't believe everything you read.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 08:28:54 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, here comes the rain

Gearing up for Dallas - road dogs - unexceptional CD's
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/6810632.htm

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 07:53:07 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

I have a hardship with white people trying to be soul singers and trying to play funk music. For some reason jazz is different, white sax players like Phil Woods or Michael Brecker have rocketed into the top echelons of people who have ever played those instruments, but funk and soul seem to me to be beyond the grasp of caucasians. When I listen to whites who try to be black, like say Hall & Oates or Lisa Stansfield, it always sounds sterile and antiseptic. It's even worse with modern blues masters like R.L. Burnside, you can't even begin to imagine a white bluesman having an edge like that.

What's the point? I once read an interview with Skunk Baxter where he said he left SD for the Doobs because he felt SD was going for the head, he felt the Doobs were going for the heart, and he wanted to conjoin in the latter ambition. I imagine he meant he wanted to play in a band where in live performance the leaders beckon the audience to participate, i.e, "Put your hands together now for..." etc.

I want to explore the differences between practicioners of sophisticated pop music who are easily the equal of Steely Dan in terms of musical cleanliness and metronomic anality like, say, Maxwell, without degenerating into this kind of bullshit:" Well, I'm such a sophisticated person with refined taste and judgment and that's why I'm a Steely Dan fan and you like the Stones or Mariah Carey." This is a vexing problem indeed.

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 01:49:04 ET
Posted by: fife, ottawa

hey here's some cool pic's from the toronto show that i took, other then the ones i'm in, check it out: www.pages.ivillage.com/bratfile/steelydantoronto2003/index.html

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 01:44:45 ET
Posted by: suedave, it'll take me a week to recover

I'm caught up thru Tuesday....most all is good reading.

Angel - Just read your write up, that was great! That is so sweet that Herington called a cab for you! You are the lucky one.

Rajah said "...behavior for ancient ones like ourselves crawling inexorably toward decrepitude. Magnificent and inspirational. " - ROFLLLL

Attributed to Little Wild One: " If I were to complile the names of 10 persons who have most influenced my life, you would definitely be one of them and I am forever indebted to you. " I couldn't have said it better myself.

Roseland was incredible! I was amazed at the size of the venue, for a small place. And loved that the seats were missing which meant....everyone got to stand up and boogie! A little dancing never hurt anyone, and might even bring on the fountain of youth - Steely Dan and dancing - what could be better? Nuthin much! Everyone else has described the show far better than I can, it just keeps getting better and better! Can they keep this up? I hope to find out 1st hand.

Being on Seattle time in NYC was a pleasure, except that we never seemed to find time to eat dinner until near midnight both nights....which got us into Le Bar Bat on the late side, all that works out ok in NY. But I think I missed meeting some of you, which is disappointing, because I never met a DanFan I didn't like. And Cleveland Joe - I can't believe I missed out on meeting back up with you. Bummerooni. How'd that happen?

Everyone thinking about Maui - Just DO IT!

Until later,
Susan

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Date: Fri, September 19, 2003, 00:32:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

SKEEVEY - thanks for chiming in with us and thanks for the review and thank you for your honesty.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 23:44:59 ET
Posted by: Skeevie Wonder, Up on the Hill, Fla

Hi Guys-
As an avid reader and some-time poster to the site, I wanted to give something back by passing along my thoughts on the West Palm show last night, for which I have not yet seen a review.

All I can say is what a show! The set list was consistent with what I had seen posted on the past few shows, LWG and EMG being the most recent additions to the set.

The fact that these guys in their mid-fifties can get on stage and perform such intrictate material with flawless prescision along with high energy and a degree of freshness is remarkable.

Most guys at this age are no more that a nostalgic curiousity, while Don and Walt are still producing great new music that stood up well next to their classic work of the seventies.

I can probably live without hearing Peg or Hey Nineteen again in my life, but for the casual fans out there, it sent them home happy and Herrington's solo on Peg kept the true fans interested.

I've seen some critical reviews of Donald's voice but I though he got better as the night wore on. Walt's voice on Slang was great and the song came off much better than the studio version. His voice on Hatian Divorce was also very good - maybe Donald could have done better, but it was great and it was different.

Highlights for me were Herrington's guitar on HD, hearing EMG live, Walter's guitar on Home at Last, and My Old School which the guys seemed to really enjoy playing and the crowd really got into. The overall highlight was the incredible tightness and amazing talent shown bt the entire band. It was large and appreciative crowd in the covered ampitheartre venue and the guys seemed to appreciate the reception. I sat 12 rows back to the right side of the stage (in front of the girls) I thought the sound was very good - very clean and at a comfortable volume - (you could talk to the person next to you without annoying the people behind you) creating almost a club-like setting.

My only complaint was a total (by my count)of 3 lyrical flubs by Donald - Unfortunately, those casual fans may never know the sordid story of Dave from acquisitions, (Don looked a little upset on that one) and "The waiter never comes" never came.

Don also had a slip on Aja (the opener), but what set the tone for the night for me, was after the lyrical slip they did some incredible instrumental work and Don comes out with "Up on the hill, they think I'm ok" - damn right you're ok!

For those of us up on the hill, Don, Walt and the band were more than ok - great show, great performance. Who knows how much longer these guys can keep doing this - if the show is coming to your town, don't miss it!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 23:07:53 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, blowin' in the wind

Peter Q,
Sorry about that typo! It must be all of the opium burning in here! The tin foil fumes are eroding my brain!
Molly,
I've been listening to Coltrane's Lush Life in the car, too! It's so good for driving around. Brubeck's Time Out is another classic you never tire of.
bluprintblu,
Thanks! Join us in the chatroom some evening.
Joey,
I thought "chasing the dragon" meant something else entirely......
Night all!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 20:46:49 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

seth2112....thanks for the response...I caught myself on the MOS question about 28 seconds after I posted. No edit/erase capabilities...I felt like such a rookie :( . I guess it's more of my inclination to be a 'one word' song identifier versus letter string. I even looked at my scribble sheet and didn't even think twice while looking at the word School on the list.

I banished myself from the board for 1.5 days for behavior unworthy of the bluebook.

I thoroughly did enjoy Blues Beach...it was the perfect song for a cozy outdoor venue on the shore overlooking a lake. As I said before I had that tune running through my head all day on the lake and knew that fate would deliver that one. Can you say "Chillin'!"

Now, if my luck is super strong ... they'll roll out Charlie Freak for me...I'll be the guy yelling 'Freak Me!' at Concord.


DFD

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 20:31:19 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Rajah, tones, bratfile: You all are ohh so close ;-):

TOOM Lyrics

Alternative Interpretation #1 – I’m going with a really SINISTER religious cult interpretation:

The narrator is a JimJones-like character that leads a religious cult. Jim Jones as you may remember convinced his 900+ followers or children, or in this case lemmings, to drink cyanide-laced grape Kool-aid in Guyana after killing Congressman Ryan Jones formed the cult in the Berkeley area of California, fitting in with the Gaucho album’s “let’s make fun of post-modern California” theme:



“Son you better be ready for love
On this glory day”

Glory day is a euphamism for Judgment Day – we’re going to a better place

“This is your chance to believe
What I've got to say”

You REALLY have to have faith to commit mass suicide!!

“Keep your eyes on the sky”
Look out for Mr. Big

“Put a dollar in the kitty”

An Elmer Gantry moment

“Don’t the moon look pretty”

The moon connotes a religious cult, a dark side

“Tonight when I chase the dragon
The water will change to cherry wine”

I’ll mix up the Kool-Aid from this holy water

“And the silver will turn to gold
Time out of mind”

Time will have no meaning in the herreafter

“I am holding the mystical sphere
It's direct from Lhasa
Where people are rolling in the snow
Far from the world we know”



“Children we have it right here”

Listen to me, my flock

“It's the light in my eyes
It's perfection and grace”

Light in my eyes implies something sinister in mind…Death is the ONLY perfection and grace

“It's the smile on my face”

Many cult and Jimmy Swaggart-like evangelists have a pasted-on smile…

Here, smile we’re all going to Cloud 9 together

Tonight when I chase the dragon
The water will change to cherry wine
And the silver will turn to gold
Time out of mind

[Repeat Last transition and chorus]



Alternative Interpretation #2 (something I came up with awhile ago)

"Time Out of Mind" more than a simple LA Drug Fable or another chapter of Overanalysis Anonymous???????
Memory rush over me.

From a famous 20th Century fantasy novel:

(p.10)
"The Bagginses have lived in the neighborhood of The Hill for time out of mind., and people
considered them very respectable, not only because most of them were rich, but also
because they never had any adventures or did anything unexpected…"

(pp. 22-23) Song sung by the dwarfs that night luring Bilbo's Tookish side...

"Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold…

…On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon fire, in twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun…"

Bilbo tricks Gollum out of Sauron’s enchanted Ring, Smaug the Dragon hoards Thor's gold
in the Lonely Mountain, and…
Says a thrush to Bard, Lord of Dale as Smaug "lights up the town" (p. 261)

"’Wait! Wait!’ it said to him. ‘The moon is rising. Look for the hollow of the left breast as
he flies and turns above you!’ …The Bard drew his bow-string to his ear. The dragon was
circling back, flying low, and as he came the moon rose above the eastern shore and
silvered his great wings…

The silver will turn to gold indeed…and…

Bilbo to the Elvenking as he reveals the heart of the mountain... (p. 283)

"’You may see it!’ said he. ‘It is this!’ and he drew forth the Arkenstone, and threw away
the wrapping.
The Elvenking himself, whose eyes were used to things of wonder and beauty, stood up in
amazement. Even Bard gazed marvelling at it in silence. It was as if a globe had been filled
with moonlight and hung before them in a net woven in the glint of frosty stars."

I am holding a mystical sphere…

The adventure does not end without a price as chief dwarf Thorin Oakenshield is slain and
King Bard lays the Arkenstone on Thorin’s chest upon burial.

"The Hobbit" - J.R.R. Tolkien

Children we have it right here. It pays to read good stuff to the kids…

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 20:27:47 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, florida room

Gretchen, I love you...

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 19:54:27 ET
Posted by: seth2112, Tampa via NYC

Danfandan, MOS is my old school.
EMG came to a fade to black, well done and polished
intro is hot...building...building....into corn bump "solo"
cookin.........ala "74"
LWG, ya just gotta see and hear
i do yield to your luck, danfandan, seing BB, is a true gem of the tour, being they only played it one or twice or thrice!!!
could be the highlight of the tour~

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 19:33:16 ET
Posted by: t, passing the hat for bail...

Hoops - that was the biggest laugh I've had all day...

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:34:46 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Jason...thanks for the EMG answer!! It ablsolutely makes sense to me, and I cannot wait!

That Dan Moffett article was 'spot on' - he nailed it for sure. Thanks all for the reference

Time is one of my long standing faves, much for the irony that has been pointed out in many posts below. And I have stated before that I have had that frozen food section experience and thought process happen to me personally...

Good day in the Blue Book for me...

Now through in Charlie Freak for the Concord show and all will be right in the world!

DFD

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:34:41 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, A bunker filled with sand

Jason...thanks for the EMG answer!! It ablsolutely makes sense to me, and I cannot wait!

That Dan Moffett article was 'spot on' - he nailed it for sure. Thanks all for the reference

Time is one of my long standing faves, much for the irony that has been pointed out in many posts below. And I have stated before that I have had that frozen food section experience and thought process happen to me personally...

Good day in the Blue Book for me...

Now through in Charlie Freak for the Concord show and all will be right in the world!

DFD

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:28:30 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Yeah, for Jones Beach, just call one of these FBI numbers:

(518) 465-7551, (404) 679-9000


"Doses!? Doses?! DOSES!"

hoops

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:27:27 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

OK here it is folks:
http://pages.ivillage.com/bratfille/steelydantoronto2003/index.html

A humble tribute page to the Toronto show. Don't forget to check out the Danfest photo page too.

Courtesy of Fife and Brat.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:25:28 ET
Posted by: Larry, Long Island, NY

Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the Jones Beach CD?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:25:04 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Gretchen, stop posting under my name, LOL!!!!!! I'm looking forward to your art, if it's as good as Broadway Steve's CD we have alot of talented people!

Re - TOOM, the metronomic opportunity of the century and all there is is Wendel. This could be the ultimate concert rip the house down song, IMHO if it had more Maxwell-ian handling of the metronomics.

Except for the symbolic reference of the philospher's stone from Lhasa, TOOM is Jesus speaking, isn't it? The lyrics are laced with BIBLICAL allusions and words.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 18:14:12 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Or as Japetto said to Pinocchio, "whadyou gotta saw dust for brain? Stay woood keed, stay woood."

Joey - find that piece I stowed a while back out on Avenue D.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:29:47 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

From Oleander's Board :

"Chasing the Dragon" is lighting a ball of opium, letting the smoke accumulate beneath a glass ("the mystical sphere?"), and then inhaling the collected smoke. Or it's a ref to shooting up--the clear liquid in the syringe turns "cherry" red when one pulls back to check the location in a vein; "the silver will turn to gold" when the foil is heated. Another song with, perhaps, very dark content and transcendent music. "

Now if you will excuse me , your young Joey is off to Alphabet City for a little " Skin Popping " exercise .

Cotton Balls anyone ?!?!?!?!

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! Smaaaaaaaaaaaaacck !

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJoey !

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:26:12 ET
Posted by: t, well, I was right about one thing...

Much of what I said has been fever dreamt before...

To quote the great Fred Schneider:

"Before I talk, I should read a book..."

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:24:21 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

As a latecomer to Gaucho (i.e. I haven't had a lot of time with the album as a whole) there is not to much to add to what was said.

The album, which has some of my favourite SD songs on it, has a serious theme of succombing to the seductive allure of age old vices. When I think of TOOM with it's upbeat "happy" tempo along with the lyrics I think of a very charismatic chartlatan playing on the curiosities and cockiness of the young naive pleasure-seeker. Playing on the illusion of being part of a "chosen" or exclusive group promises are made of an utopic experience which of course are paid for with the dark reality of addiction.

I can't help but think of the Disney story "Pinocchio" at the point when after losing the limitations of his puppet strings, he goes on his way to school. He innocently promises to be good (choosing between right and wrong). He is then lured into a taking a shortcut to success at Stromboni's theatre by a fast talking fox and cat, where it rains silver and gold but not for Pinocchio. He instead becomes a caged prisoner with his imfamous nose growing as he tries to "spin" his way out of trouble.

If you want the rest of the story it is here - http://www.myhome.ch/duchesse/e_text/epino.htm

(Funny that we entertain our children with such dark themes.)

Temptation may suck, but on Gaucho the adrenaline rush of flirting with the dark side is all over the place.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:18:04 ET
Posted by: molly, duh

like my teacher always said...proof read

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:16:22 ET
Posted by: molly, CA,santa barbarian

Actually enjoyed the bit of light on TOOM

Just had a nice random SD suprise-went to a local health food store for lunch and sa a display of phots(local arties)-as my eyes were wandering-A HA! -nice photo of D+W(possibly Paso show) AND nice couple of photos of the other Walt-:)..it's always nice to hear/see the Dan when least expected....

Ok and so maybe I'm on a Trane rant lately but listening to "Lush Life" in my car-what beautiful dan tinged lyrics..

-Blue Molly

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 17:15:59 ET
Posted by: tones,

...just to extrapolate a little on the TOOM thread... I think you guys are right, to the point where heroin can be interchanged with religion in the song. TOOM makes an astute point, and though maybe not original in a literary context, it's *very* subversive for a three minute pop song that you might hear in you local grocery store, even 23 years later.

Maybe this has all been fever dreamt before, but the heroin addict sees that drug in the spoon very much like his savior on the cross, sacrificing itself to save him or bring him closer to his God. And like some religious fanatics, they can't seem to get enough; they keep wanting to see the same trick again and again, over and over. And like heroin, religion can be used to sedate people, make them accept a less than desirable status quo with the promise of redemption (though hopefully longer than several hours), though a few profit in the here and now from the status quo - i.e. the dealers/televangelists, not to mention the pedophile-sheltering Catholic hierarchy.

Heroin as religion; religion as heroin... with a melody you can whistle and a beat you can dance to.

Damn these guys are good!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 16:49:20 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Don's a vocal interpreter with an incredible ability to get under your skin, it's unique and cannot be copied. "

Like a pleasurable rash .

Snarky !

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 16:40:12 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I always thought TOOM had two levels: the first is a guy initiating some other poor schmuck into the joys of smoking heroin off a piece of tin foil, it starts out silver then turns to brown/gold when the fire hits it. The other sense is that of a preacher selling this mystical liturgy. The music is so bouncy and fun, perfect for the supermarket. Surprise, it couldn't be darker. "

Rajah ..........................................

Old link but a good one :

http://www.feverdreams.net/toom.htm

Jacky !

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 15:43:00 ET
Posted by: eric,

Well...the TOOM talk cast rather a gloom over the board didn't it?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 14:52:53 ET
Posted by: Enabler, NYC

A DVD of the Jones Bch show is now in circulation. Quality is a C+ from what I understand, but a close shot/pro shot is coming behind "soon".

I thought the Jones Bch Revelers might appreciate knowing, so they can relive the some of the magic.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 14:49:50 ET
Posted by: Jason, Ending of the live version of EMG

To DanFanDan's question on the ending of the live version of EMG.

Basically the song runs its course as you hear it on the record and then the ending tenor sax solo hangs on note and band comes in with one of their jubilee finishes. That is of course if any of this makes any sense to you.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 14:02:38 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I always thought TOOM had two levels: the first is a guy initiating some other poor schmuck into the joys of smoking heroin off a piece of tin foil, it starts out silver then turns to brown/gold when the fire hits it. The other sense is that of a preacher selling this mystical liturgy. The music is so bouncy and fun, perfect for the supermarket. Surprise, it couldn't be darker.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 13:44:38 ET
Posted by: danfiend,

Kick Ass Gretchen

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 13:44:09 ET
Posted by: eric,

Another lyric question for you...this time concerning Time Out of Mind. I've been talking with a fellow Dan fan about this one and wish to submit it like folk.

Here's my take: The obvious drug/herion reference is there with "tonight when I chase the dragon." I see the song as being about a religious leader of some sort addressing his flock. The way he addresses them as "children" is common in many religions. Even the line "keep your eyes on the sky...put a dollar in the kitty" harkens back to tithing. There is also the reference to changing water into wine...yet another religious reference.

This is what I take from it...probably something totally different than what Fagan/Becker intended.

What say you?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 13:31:58 ET
Posted by: Johnny Wadd,

Getchen- I'm down on you to!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 13:08:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretchen - I'm down with you, Don is an incredible stylist, inimitable. But are you seriously trying to convince us you are shy & vulnerable?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 13:00:11 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, waiting for gale force winds

Don's voice is so expressive and emotional, that anyone else trying to sing anything done originally by him sounds flat and hollow. His voice ranges from painfully beautiful (Talkin' About My Home, Deacon Blue, Any World) to mystically fascinating (Aja, Home at Last, Snowbound) to truly joyful (Josie, Lunch with Gina, Peg). Then there is the cynical, snarky shady character he can portray in songs like Royal Scam, Through wit Buzz, and Kid Charlemagne. His shyness and initial reluctance to be lead singer are the very things that make the man so unique and masterful at vocals. Wearing the sunglasses, I'm sure gives him the security to give his all in a live performance, feeling that his emotions and persona are safely veiled behind the shades. Sunglasses, as I know from personal experience, give one a bit more self confidence and protection. I've been "slangged" for wearing them indoors and at meetings, etc. but there's a certain safeness you feel when you're shy or vulnerable.
He's definitely one of a kind, and not his trying to imitate anyone or send forth a pre fab image of himself has led to great success.
Walt's voice to me is sadly beautiful. I like 11 TOW more and more each time I listen. He's bluesy in a JJ Cale kind of way, but with more emotion. And his presence on stage is quietly masterful, but you know behind that owl-like image he's as snarky as can be. I can identify with that as a true Pisces, as he and I share the same birthday. He must be hilarious.
Don and Walt are truly successful in that neither of them had any advantages when they started out, they knew no one "in the business" and they had to make their own way with nothing handed to them. Their success came from a sincere love of jazz and of high quality music. They just went for what they believed in and that is why I admire them both so much. Trying to make a living using your creativity is the most difficult thing in the world. They are inspiring. Maybe they are quirky, temperamental, difficult to understand, intimidating, but so what? They are about their music, and that's all anyone should expect.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:44:09 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

A couple of us have already emailed our appreciation. The guy is good.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:44:07 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pgh

I'm right with ya, Laina. Dan Moffet has been invited to join us.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:37:05 ET
Posted by: Laina, about to go car-shopping

"In a flash of electric insight I understood it all. It was as if Bodhisattva had taken me by the hand. I felt Razor Boy's pain. I knew that the bookkeeper's son really didn't want to shoot no one. Show Biz Kids repulsed me. I understood why Katy lied, where Kid Charlemagne went wrong and that Doctor Wu was just an ordinary guy.

How could I have ever done it without the fez on?"

That is hilarious!! Why on earth *doesn't* Dan Moffett post here?! Someone needs to shoot him an email and say "Come on down!"

Lainalove

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:37:05 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pgh

"Euphonism" probably works too, i.e., something pleasant-sounding, appropriate for background music in malls.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:35:19 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

LMAO....(we need a preview pane)

That was a freudian slip. I meant "euphemism" not "euphonism" in my previous post.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:31:47 ET
Posted by: Bill, Pittsburgh

Donald is a very expressive singer who has made the most of his eccentricities, particularly his pronounced New York accent, to portray the characters who narrate SD songs. It borders on brilliant acting. His pitch and range ain't too shabby, either, although he persists in writing melodies just above his comfortable range (maybe that's why it took so long for much of the EMG material to emerge on stage.)

Walter's delivery is also very expressive, in the tradition of blues singers. He'd be the first to admit his pitch can be unsteady and particularly that his range is limited, which is why we haven't heard any real Don & Walt duets since Turn That Heartbeat Over Again. (Well, they took a whack at trading lines on Movies in 96 and that wasn't too bad, and Walt sang some harmony on Rikki that same year). In one recent interview he said that Slang was written for Donald to sing an octave higher, and he tried it in a lower register and it worked.

Who'd want to hear this material sung by "technically" accomplished singers anyway? Well, maybe Michael McDonald's powerful pipes fit the material in places, but his trademark raspy tone is also not a traditionally pristine sound either.


>>Donald's voice is unquestionably the weakest voice on the stage at any time, no contest, unless Walter is singing and then it's not that Walter's voice is weak, it's just has no dynamic range whatsoever

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:29:36 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Yup... they boys are not martyrs to "the cause"

Deacon Blues said it all:

My back to the wall
A victim of laughing chance
This is for me
The essence of true romance
Sharing the things we know and love
With those of my kind
Libations
Sensations
That stagger the mind ....

and later on...

I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
I'll be what I want to be

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:15:33 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Brat - that's gotta be the irony of all time, the Dan consistently test number one in malls, elevators, grocery and drug stores. Everybody hears it but nobody's listening.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 12:00:22 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

That Dave Moffett articleis great but I have to laugh every time I hear about Steely Dan "breaking the industry rules and ignoring commercialism".

It's become rather ironic that songs of these iconoclasts,themselves, have become a staple on most "piped in" mall and ambient song lists. I've heard Donald Fagen and Steely Dan tunes more often in the grocery store and at Wendy's than I ever did/do on FM radio. I remember the humbling epiphany of learning that the radical pop music of "my generation" had replaced the 'easy listening' sounds of my parents generation. ('Adult contemporary', let's face it, is a euphonism for 'boring')

Did they win "the game" or fail by winning a Grammy considering all it stands for today? D and W are having the last laugh.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 11:55:15 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Donald's voice is unquestionabley the weakest voice on the stage at any time, no contest, unless Walter is singing and then it's not that Walter's voice is weak, it's just has no dynamic range whatsoever. Don's a vocal interpreter with an incredible ability to get under your skin, it's unique and cannot be copied. Believe me, I've heard the tribute bands and the better ones don't have a crooner who even attempts to replicate Donald and a good thing too because I don't believe these bands should be "covering" but, in the best tradition of jazz, reinterpreting.

Ever post and then agonize over misspelligs? Read this:

Your brain is hard wired in such a way as to recognise potential
matches to familiar objects, this is how optical illusions work...... But
did yiu konw taht aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae.
The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a
wlohe. Cool eh?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 11:50:02 ET
Posted by: Florida Room,

I got it now -- had to turn cookies on in my browser!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 11:40:10 ET
Posted by: in Florida Room,

the Palm Beach Post site is not giving me anything but its front page. No registration is required so wtf. . Is anybody getting that page now??

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 11:39:07 ET
Posted by: snotty one,

I have to wonder about that guy Moffatt's validity when he says that Fagen's voice is the weakest instrument in the band. Obviously he wasn't at Roseland Saturday night!! And he misquotes the lyrics from My Old School (Buddy Gee??).

I think the B&F relationship is more like a Dr. Evil - Mini-Me "you complete me" kind of thingy. Tom Cruise - Renee Zellweger??

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 11:14:41 ET
Posted by: Peter Q,

Peter Q,
I have some of my favorites which I will photo and email you. The paintings are down at my parent's house now, I'll try to get them over the weekend. I'll be doing lots more this fall, hopefully now that the mortgage business has slowed a bit.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 10:51:38 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Hey Gretch do you have your artwork?

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 10:50:13 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag,

One of many great lines from the Dan Moffett article:

"This is like the NFL team that has no playbook, won't show up for road games, cuts all its players every season and yet still wins the Super Bowl."

What a great piece of writing! Thanks Dan.


Mark in Boston

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 10:42:16 ET
Posted by: eric,

That article is right on the money in all aspects.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 10:31:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

That review by Dan Moffett is tremendous. Read it, devour it, somebody finally GETS IT! Maybe there's....hope? Nah.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 10:07:16 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Check your e-mail.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 09:57:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Eric,
Tell me more about yourself.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 09:44:49 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Thanks for the link to that column..I wrote the guy a thank-you for a great piece.
Well, no more shows this time around for me..what do I do now? I was looking forward to a release by my other fave performer ("Bette Sings Rosie"...and don't knock her if you haven't seen her in concert...she totally skews the Diva thing), but somehow I
can't get excited about it anymore. I want more Dan! Penny

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 09:35:55 ET
Posted by: eric,

Gretch...You have no idea what you are doing to my mind. You also have no idea what I have you doing in my mind.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 08:23:45 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, good luck to all of you in the hurricanes path

Pre concert ramblings from West Palm - can't believe this guy doesn't post here:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/ae/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/arts_entertainment_f3067df636c7d0a210a1.html


Steely Dan tied for third in the open pony class at the Redhall Riding Club's annual show:
http://www.farminglife.com/equestrian/content_objectid=13418234_method=full_siteid=51658_headline=-Ideal-Conditions-For-Redhall-Show-name_page.html


OK so that's a bootleg T sold at Oakdale, Holmdel, Roseland, NY State fair, and Philly. The graphics were cool.

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 03:22:50 ET
Posted by: My Old Man, Back in Oregoni

Kinda lurking still, occasionally posting when I feel I might have something to say worthwhile.
MollY: Re The intros of EMG and A Love Supreme....If you chart EMG you can see that Walt Weiskopf is blowing over the bridge changes rubato. There isn't a tenor player alive who is not influenced by Trane, of course, so that rubato intro to A Love Supreme probably sounds similar in texture, but harmonically and melodically it's pretty different. Also there's no Elvin Jones' Gong at the start of EMG!
The Godwhacker posts are fascinating...I alternately hear it as God doing the whacking, or being whacked. Not sure if they wrote it that way on purpose. Whatever, it's certainly about the failure of religion, which follows the pattern of writing about failure in the last two albums (TLM, TIMTM, BB, GW, SOA, EMG for sure in this record, in 2vN you've got Shame, Dupree, Jack Of Speed, West Of Hollwood). Interesting that guys as successful as they would be so obsessed with failure. I guess in the end, it's a lot more interesting than "We Are The Champions"!

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Date: Thurs, September 18, 2003, 02:02:38 ET
Posted by: Marcus,

Big Fan- Where did you get that SD t-shirt you're wearing in the picture where you are holding up the fish? I don't remember it for sale on any of the tours.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 22:51:57 ET
Posted by: Bratfile,

Q,

We are now making the same point about business profit.

I think we will just have to agree to dissagree on the professor/consultant issue. Because I've seen it with my own eyes I have a hard time coming around to your side. It's just like the statement that a consultant is just salesman without a job.

I've forgotten what the SD reference was that even started all this.

I don't know the link to your webpage.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 22:31:04 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, almost asleep

Having met Gretchen, I'll tell it's worth the wait to see her picture.

However, if we are sharing,
From the official site: I'm second from right - Greatwoods 96
http://www.steelydan.com/Images/tour96pics/8.31.gifs/woods.jpeg


The SS Steely Dan and crew:
http://images.andale.com/115/106/1145674/1062345237099_Steely_Dan_Fans_2.JPG

Official boat shirt:
http://images.andale.com/115/106/1145674/1061966907420_9_13_03_Salmon_2.JPG

That's Quabbin Resv. the drinking supply for Boston - don't eat the yellow snow.

Thanks Q.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 22:22:25 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

PQ - You know I never said anything of the kind like that stuff about every corporate officer and director being like Michael Douglas in Wall Street. I may think it, yeah, but I didn't say it. Are you being funded by Exxon, BTW? Whatzup with this virulent defense of our corporate-[ha!]-culture-? Tell me everything you did.

Crack - What I'd like to see in America is a TRUE return to Judeo/Christian/Islamic/ values, hell, I'd settle for just plain decency, in our private lives with a concomitant full separation of church and state in our civic affairs. It just couldn't be, I know.

Hoops - Thanks for keeping your finger on the delete button.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 22:17:43 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, chillin

Eric-
I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 22:03:10 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

And why does Carlock count off the band from the one , anyway? Anybody know?

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:51:48 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Re Godwhacker, "It's been too much of nothing/And that stank attitude"...what is the difference in the sentiment expressed here and in "The archbishop gonna sanctify me/And if he don't come across I'm gonna let it roll"????? Or the identification with the pack in RS as being from "the city of St.John," or, trying to get in as many as I can here from memory, giving directives to Michael and Jesus in TTHOA? Challenging God isn't really anything new, except maybe in pop music, and SD has been remarkably consistent at it over many years.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:44:26 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Brat, you confused what I said. Of course the number one rule of the marketplace is to turn a profit, duh. That's the goal of a company, not an individual in business. And it is extemely, extremely rare that an academic business school professor gets hired to do consulting. I don't want to lurch too far away from the topic, which is supposed to be SD. Check my page on the National Speakers Association website. And Thomas Stanley researched and interviewed literally thousands of millionaires for his book.

Rajah - you may want to read the classic books on money, like The Richest Man In Babylon by George Clason and/or Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill before claiming that everyone who has money behaves like Michael Douglas in the movie Wall Street, which is evidently the view that EMG takes.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:32:36 ET
Posted by: DACW , Tejas

Dave from Acquisitions: thanks for the heads up! Not that we were going to show at 8, but will arrive closer to the 6:30 gate opening now...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:29:25 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Interesting reads on GodWhacker - it's ironic that as all-encompassing the topic is, the more open it is to interpretation...

afoolinluv: "...And it's would be just like human nature to blame God for mortal mis-use of free-will." I had the same thought - who do we blame when the Coast of North Carolina turns from Blues Beach to Blews Beach?

It's an interesting song with done in a semi-cartoonish way - which I think gives the song a bit more freedom, yet as mentioned goes after the Ultimate Elite in a sense..


...I like the Norse Gods ref - don't know if that is what W&D had in mind but interesting take...


HeyMike - thanks! my rants just spill out I'm afraid...my day job work is hyperstructured...

The twisting of religion is abhorant and has been used as a motivating tool by the current Mafia of radical Islamic terrorist networks and in many cases in the past including the Crusades (but even the Crusades did not make as the primary targets of the Crusades innocent civilians)...but religion is simply misused as a tool...the real game is POWER and CONTROL...there are many forms of manipulation besides religioin, fear, greed, manifest elitism (Master race), or when in doubt, blame the Jews... Religion is a part of the process, not the cause per se...In many countries in the Middle East, theocracies have been used as a way to control the minds and behavior of its people...Ironically, not unlike Nazi Germany OR

...Case in point if we go SCOREBOARD with totalitarian Communist states which banned religion: Lenin, Stalin, Some Ill Kim and Son, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. you've got 100 million DEAD...those who cannot fathom the elementary lessons of the 20th Century are doomed to repeat them...

...I'm waiting for First Contact with the Vulcans myself...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:03:57 ET
Posted by: h,

See Zim? We both had the same urge to chat and posted about the problem at the same time. Typically these outages last an hour or two. Thanks again for your patience!

jim

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:02:26 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Hey Danizens

Looks like our chat provider--Sigma Chat has sever problems for all their chat rooms, including ours. I'm aware and hopefully chat will be up again soon. Sorry I can't do more about it at the moment. Sit tight and see you there soon, I hope. Thanks for your patience.

h

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 21:02:11 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Anyone else having difficulties getting into the green room? Who locked the door?

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 20:28:44 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, at the left of the brain

Part of the fun of enjoying Steely Dan is the speculation, the mental puzzle aspect of the most oblique lyrics in pop. I even think Walter said it in the taxi, that it's about the imagination.THEY know that it's part of their appeal.It's also part of the appeal of posting to a board to discover an interesting derivation or see who you happen to annoy.I would WAY prefer to read something I truly disagree with than the rant of a MADMAN any day.

I have performed this material for YEARS and I have no idea what the fuck a number of these songs are saying.There is a feeling and a mood , an attitude that is unmistakable though and that's the appeal of this material for me.Despite the "free form" aspect of many of their lyrics, there is a thread, a line of reasoning,pictures and a story that support these very catch hooks.I don't spend the day spinning with Marvin Hamlish songs in my head.

I think about these things a lot in connection with the board. When I listen I'm mainly funkin' out.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:49:10 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" BTW: Joey, when are we going to get a picture of you? I come all the way out to Denver at great expense and effort and still don't know what you look like. "

Picture on the way Hoopsie ! This is a great idea you had !!!!

However , One of us should have thought about it BEFORE the Denver Danfest !

Oh Well , there is ALWAYS Maui or Honolulu . Ah ..... , Rajah , Hoops , could I please borrow a thousand bucks for the trip ?

Developing ............................

Sizzling .............in UNMERCIFUL rays .

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJOEY Fly !

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:39:46 ET
Posted by: eric,

Oh well....I love the lyrics and I love the music, and am able to put it in its proper perspective. My faith, shallow is it may be, is still strong enough to withstand a song.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:23:23 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I do not feel nuzzled. I was only trying to help but I find that the Rajinator is now part of the problem, not the solution; Rajini is the fly in the ointment, not the straw that stirs the drink. The Rajah will now ascend his favorite elephant and seek the advice of the Brahmin Monks for guidance. Peace and shalom, y'all. "

Rajah ................I would like to clutch you to my bosom and tickle you with my erect nipples .

Hope this Helps ! And if it does not , try a few shots of THIS :

http://www.liquorama.net/product.asp?0=200&1=208&3=18540&OVRARG=02u3hs9yoatktMrcjMj89NTy4sz4lLzCnOzi3PzK%2BLzcjLUU2zLErNSkrLT0xSLbIrLi3MSUlLSiwrUYWxCNi7ABeDBQ%3D%3D

Jercee !

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:22:54 ET
Posted by: eric,

Yeah, i love lyrics by the Dan. In fact, it was their cynical lyrics that REALLY made me a fan. But still, I don't see the point of someone getting really upset by the whole thing. We should all be fortunate enough to have so few worries in our lives.

Hey, if you REALLY want to read some rough lyrics, then check out the latest offerings from Gary Numan.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:06:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Let's get a hold of Peter's Cybersucker 2.0 program and snap a few candids of La Gretchen when she's not looking. Better still, how about a "Women of the Bluebook" 2004 Calendar, all proceed going to the Janie Runaway School for Wayward Girls? Discuss.

OK - you guys, "They're just songs"? Help me, my brain hurts. Like the Mona Lsa was a picture, Hamlet was a poem, the Parthenon is just a pile of rocks? Where, oh where, did the Rajah go wrong? Laying these pearls down and, well, you know the rest. These songs are a time capsule worthy of inspection, they are a chronicle of our time repleat with layers of meaning, oh, forget it. Where's that Toad the Wet Sprocket album, no wait, I have ZZ Top around somewhere. What's that, Dr. Hook Live? Yeah, throw that on and dial up the Supertramp website.

I do not feel nuzzled. I was only trying to help but I find that the Rajinator is now part of the problem, not the solution; Rajini is the fly in the ointment, not the straw that stirs the drink. The Rajah will now ascend his favorite elephant and seek the advice of the Brahmin Monks for guidance. Peace and shalom, y'all.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 17:01:21 ET
Posted by: Dave from acquisitions,

RE: Dallas

The Ticketmaster website and my tickets indicate at 6:30 start time. The House of Blues site (concert promoter) says the show starts at 8:00.

I called the Smirnoff today to verify--they say that the gates open at 6:30 and that the show is scheduled to start at 7:30..so don't be late

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 16:56:43 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" And Joey, if only you had shown up for Roseland. Then you and Peter could have nuzzled each other and the world would be a happier place where you wouldn't be dissing him. "

Nah , I am just teasing with Peter ( It is kinda slow here at work
today and I wanted to give the board an " edge " this afternoon -- a little " bite " if you wish ) .

I certainly wish I had the cash to go to the Hawaii shows , THAT'S for sure . Maui would be a gas !!!!!!!

Maybe it will happen !!!!!!

Developing ............................

Alright Hoopsie , I will go ahead and E - Mail a photo of me
from the Denver 02/01/03 Rolling Stones Pre-Party at the Hard Rock Cafe .


Joey !

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 16:47:56 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, Loading up the Technicolor Motorhome

I wish I had the time to get embroiled in all of this action here but between the kids and work and PACKING FOR MEMPHIS, I just don't have the time. Can't wait for Saturday to get here!!!

Peace, Love and Dan

KC

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 16:10:57 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

"The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand"
- Steely Dan, 'Reelin' In The Years'

gee wilikers..ok...relax, or i'll sik howard dean on ya.
I'm a relatively new poster and i'm just tryin to learn the "rules" - we all could use a prozac milkshake or two..right?? go dan

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 16:05:45 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

Who are these children who scheme and run wild?

No one said "Godwhacker" or any other song was anything more than just that - a song. If the total output of Steely Dan's work in terms of subject matter consisted of little more than pizza and fairie tales, a sizeable portion of us wouldn't be here talking about them at all (perhaps the Mariah Carey or David Cassidy guestbooks are in need of some snarky upstarts).

This IS still the "Steely Dan" guestbook, right? Where one is (normally) encouraged to discuss the lyrical implications of Steely Dan? (It has been the last few years I've been posting.) Sure they're just songs, but they do have DEPTH - not much point to deep waters if all you do is look at the surface and admire how pretty the reflective surface looks; some of us are more interested in the sharks swimming down below-

"The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand"
- Steely Dan, 'Reelin' In The Years'

Randy / NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:57:14 ET
Posted by: hoops,

BTW: Joey, when are we going to get a picture of you? I come all the way out to Denver at great expense and effort and still don't know what you look like.

"For seven seconds it's like Christmas Day. Then (it starts) again."

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:55:27 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

kram - Thanks for the young status flaunting dot.com bust reminder. I think your right.

My 2 cents on Godwhacker: In light of 9-11, if we get rid of Him we can then get rid of holy wars and terrorist acts in the name of god. Just who the godwhackers are is open to discussion in that case....? Maybe it's a very cynical nod to right-wing foreign policy.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:51:16 ET
Posted by: hoops,

While I have to agree that some of the dissection (like with "Gowhacker") can go overboard for some people, fact is, people are doing it out of the passion for the song and the Dan.

Now maybe I personally won't be into it so much but I can scroll by. Take what you like and leave the rest kinda thing. On the other hand, when people start second guessing motives and crawling in other peoples' heads, etc and getting all personal about another's posts, then those types of people have made a wrong turn, since no one's going to be persuaded after that kind of personal rather than topical mode of persuasion. Stop turning the debate and discussion of the Dan into personal criticisms, OK?

Now have some Tang.

And Joey, if only you had shown up for Roseland. Then you and Peter could have nuzzled each other and the world would be a happier place where you wouldn't be dissing him.

jim

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:36:47 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

here we go...over thinking yet another dan song..when we really should all be getting new recipes or the latest cognitive sample pack from our modern maturity. Isn't there a totally seperate site for the wicked intellectual over analyzing club...? no offense- i'm just really stupid..i thought G Whacker was like just a ...song

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:22:28 ET
Posted by: eric,

Gretch...you have really piqued my interest. DF may have missed out on your beauty, but that doesn't mean that we all should share the same fate. Share yourself. Share a photo.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:17:58 ET
Posted by: eric,

Geez folks....take it easy about "Godwhacker." It's just a song...it's just a story. A cleverly told story, but a story nonetheless.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 15:08:35 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, Godwhacker's Dissent

I would like to offer an alterative take on Godwhacker. I do not feel this song contains a shred of hidden meaning about spirituality. I feel it is a depiction of an apocalyptic myth in the Hindu religion that one of these guys came across in his readings.The Hindu Gods are more like superheroes than Omnipotent , Omnipresent and Omniscient God to which Western Civilization prays to.I think it is a cool story like the ones in comic books complete with demi-gods, busty babes mortals and monsters.It's a romp through the multilayered universe detailed in the Upanishads.

Next time you dine in an Indian restaurant look for a calendar.Much of the artwork not depicting a swami will illuminate one of these epics.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 14:58:40 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Peter - I'm somewhat amazed, in turn, by your willingness to accept the party line of this utopian business ethic that's promulgated, no doubt, by the many good and decent people in our business community in America. These people, I offer, are the exception not the norm. "

What the Rajah said .......................but I digress :

Peter , not to rub Jellyfish in your crotch , but ............

Irrelevance is a crime worse than absurdity .


I think it is time for Peter to break this " EMG Thread " down and rebuild.


Peter's once promising career as a poster here at the " Blue " is dangerously close to denigrating into scribblings of bleak thought and minimal cognizant expression.


Indeed , his recent posts have drenched us all in a sewer filled with tiresome, repetitive floating compost.


It is my sincere belief that the time has come to rediscover the love. Peter is pushing too hard and will soon develop a brain hemorrhoid which is a shame because there is so much love here amongst the Brethren .


I want my old Peter back. I am optimistic he's out there. Somewhere. Breathing.


But where?


Where?


Joey ( He " Got Game " .......and you ? )

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 14:49:26 ET
Posted by: Q, still Tampa

BigFan - just got your discs - they'll go out by weekend.
I'll email you on the titles.

**ALSO**,
With all the running around from TPA to NYC back to TPA, I'm not sure if Mrs. Q and/or I weighed in on Roseland.
I'm sure more than enough has already been said about the shows themselves and I generally concurr - **BUT**!!!, what I think can't be stated enough is regards the truly HEROIC job that Pete & Shari did with all of the afterparty festivities.

The Mrs. and I can't thank you enough.

No one in DanFanLand even holds a candle to the two of you, Pete & Shari. Classy, intelligent, funloving, witty, discrete, generous, focused....there aren't enough adjectives on my lips right now to say everything that should be said about the quality of individuals that you are and, certainly, it would be impossible to throw too many accolades at you two for what you have done for all DanFans AND the band itself.

Again - THANKS

I'll get off of my soap box now

PS If I already said this in some other fashion- well, I'm saying it again...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 14:34:38 ET
Posted by: Q, Down in Tampa...

Regarding the Tampa show, one word will do - "WOW"!

But now for some more words:

Same set list as Roseland, sound was the best I've heard of any show I've seen on the tour which amazes me because the venue is just one more crappy arena/hockey rink.

The crowd started to rock by the 3rd song and Walter eventually said "I knew this would be a great fucking crowd!" (...and it seemed truly spontaneous). DF was in truly great form with a smile on his face almost all evening.

Overall, I think the moral is that every show is just getting better. The band continues to improve and the vibe is really positive.

If I had to guess, ultimately, in retrospect the two Hawaii shows will be looked upon as the best of the tour because the band will just keep getting better as a touring unit.

Thanks to FLADave & Rick for coming with us.

Alas, Mrs. Q and I are whimping out on West Palm and Atlanta because we need to focus on "the kid" with school just starting again, but to all of you who will be seeing the rest of the Tour - enjoy it while you can!

A 3rd Leg, maybe - please...? - say, January/Feb/March?

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 14:19:22 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

Scrach the MOS Q'n - d'oh! An 'old school' fool now is embarrassed at the thought that I have severely damaged my intellectual standing in the bluebook.

Busy day a work...a little scattered...

DFD

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 14:18:59 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

I vehemently disagree with 'Rajah of Erase's' assessment that "what Donald & Walter are saying [in 'Godwhacker'] is they're sick of the deity whose words have been twisted by men."

I think the point is far darker and more direct: they are literally suggesting dispensing with the entity known as "God" on account of various grievances (which are open to interpretation). I don't think this is a case wherein they are suggesting that the (various) INTERPRETATION(S) of the higher power be disposed of, i.e. along the lines of Roger Waters' "What God Wants" from 'Amused To Death' (1992).
Nor is it likely to be a criticism of the arrogance of the religiously self-righteous. It's far more in line with the Becker-Fagen oeuvre, lyrical tone and general world-view that they're

(a) indicating exactly what’s stated in the title - knocking off the bastard;

(b) developing a narrative about both the vibe and character of the individual or entity that would be capable of succeeding with such a venture;

(c) giving some cryptic indication of the actual pursuit of said "God" ("We track your almighty ass / Through seven heaven-worlds...");

and (d) offering up the angle that suggests he deserves it to begin with ("For crimes beyond imagining / It's time to pay the price...").

The Becker and Fagen lyrical angle rarely if ever defends any perspective or individual. As Rickie Lee Jones has astutely stated, their lyrics suggest that they're always "sticking it to someone." Generally they simply offer the realities and essential elements of felons, quasi-criminals, and the aura of loserdom at large (witness "Deacon Blues"), without apology. Even regret has only crept into their lyrical arsenal within the last two studio albums.

The criminal in this instance is not the assassin(s); it's the lofty "God" himself, guilty as charged of whatever circumstances one wishes to insert. But the Godwhackers are aware of the possibilities of what may follow should they succeed, even if said "God" had it coming, thus "Clock everything you see / Little things might matter later / At the start of the end of history..." - which indicates there may still be some semblance of accountability (or perhaps further opportunity for exploitation).

Of course, all of this is open to interpretation, but that's the way it comes through these eyes and ears anyway-

"Where did the bastard run / is he still around..."
- Steely Dan, 'Everything You Did'

Randy / NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:54:14 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

Question for Seth2112 - enjoyed reading your input...however I'm a swing and a miss on MOS. Li'l help?

Question for Seth2112 and other Lunch observers...how do they handle the synth solo part...divide and conquer by the horns? That's my first guess ala Godwhacker.

Somewhat repeat question for Seth2112 and other EMG observers...how are they handling the ending... I presume it is not a fade out. Is there a 'just for live' outro and hold & sustain on one note? Or...???

Definately looks to be a bonus to see an early show and a later show like I get to do in No Cal. Got Blues Beach and TIMTM...extremely looking forward to (and please keep it in!) Lunch and Everything!!!


DFD

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:48:49 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Raj-
He just doesn't seem like a drinker to me. But not seeing me there, I agree, may drive a weaker man to hit the bottle. He has more fortitude than that.(sigh)

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:43:01 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv,

Bending End - I agree with what you said, 'cept it's my take that the Godwhackers are trying to stave off their self-made armeggedon by killing all the deities who might "punish" them. And the lyrics make multi-denominational references, as if to make sure none of the angry gods get away. The Hit List seems to include the Norse God Odin ("Climb up the glacier Across bridges fo light" {refering to the Rainbow Bridge, the path to Asgard where Odin resides}) and the Hindi deity Shiva, who occasionally assumes the form of a tiger ("we sniff you Big Tiger in the forest of the night"), along with the Dante referenced ("...seven heaven-worlds") western God.

Interestingly, in the last verse, just who is responsible for the impending argmegeddon is left up to interpratation:

"Yes we are the Godwhackers
Who rip and chop and slice
For crimes beyond imagining
It's time to pay the price"

It's really not stated *who* is responsible for the "crimes beyond imagining" - the Godwhackers or the Gods. And it's would be just like human nature to blame God for mortal mis-use of free-will.

So Bender, don't let it bug you too much. It seems to me that all the big deities are being scapegoated and martyred.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:39:10 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, There Now

FYI...What Walter was REALLY saying at Roseland was this...
"It smells like fuckin' Hindu Kush in here!"...
Also known as Dutch "Skunk", a high-quality smoke widely available in (you guessed it) the Netherlands...SOH

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:33:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretch - if Donald seemed intoxicated (I seriously doubt it) Saturday, it's probably cause, peeking at the crowd beforehand, something all performers do, and not seeing you in attendance, he told his minions to pour him out a large glass of Kischwasser topped with a splash of Retsina. It's understandable, he's only human.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:27:03 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, ps

YGK: Sorry I missed you Friday. For some reason I cannot get "Model Prisoner" out of my head.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:20:17 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Fagen, wasted on stage? I don't think so. At least not Friday night, when I was there, right in front of him. He was very precise and into his music. Believe me, I studied him for 2+ hours. He's such a perfectionist he's not going to chance blowing a performance by being under the influence of anything, even my great beauty right below him!!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:17:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey Bendy - I don't think what is set forth in Godwhacker is at all at odds with your beliefs. I believe that what D&W are saying is they're sick of the deity whose words have been twisted by men. The radical Imams say it's the will of Allah to kill the infidel, the Pope tells us it's damnable to use contraception, etc. All the attributes man has placed on his god which either twist the intent of scripture to men's purposes or are just plain discriminatory to anybody outside those religious systems is what we all can truly do without.

Whacking this god man created has nothing to do with worshiping the God that is. Man has perverted god to his own ends for centuries. God then becomes merely a mouthpiece for people like Usama, GB, the Pope, Jesse Jackson, Arafat, Buchanan, a political puppet really, spewing out false ideaology. Getting back to the God that is would be a whole lot easier without the god men have created and all the bozos telling us what God wants from us. IMHO.

Hammy - Dump the Hindu bro. Even the Rajah is not offended by a play on words re: the Hindu Kush being stinky of da ganja.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:04:29 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Adrift...

What Walter said immediately after the "Hindu" comment at Roseland was either "Keep it up!" OR "Give it up!" (as in, don't bogart...pass it over!)...Tell your friend to chill out...SOH

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 13:00:23 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

IF anyone happens to see the Fogel in Florida for the Dan Shows, can you please ask him to call me re: 9/18 at Le Bar Bat

Cell: 9178460007
thanx
ygk

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:51:06 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Walter said it smelled like the Hindu Cushion from where he was at. And you know, he was right. It did smell like that. So what. And if your friend is so upset by that, it probably is a good idea that he doesn't come to the next SD show. Find new people to go with. I had to and now I have all of you. It's entertainment that is impeccably crafted. I hope your friend turns off all TV shows like CSI, Hill Street Blues, etc. SD is basically sorta musical versions of the same shows. Don't waste any more time on him.

I don't agree with "Godwhacker" as much as it' expresses what I feel like at times, when you get angry at God. It's like when I have a break up and say "I'm sick of love" I really don't hate love but I sure feel sick of it at the particular time. (Oh how poetic of me, you say.)

"Godwhacker" is an archetypical story that could be set 1000 years ago, today (as those who claim it was about Bush pointed out) or 100000 years from now. That's why it is so great. Is it a complete truth all the time for all situations and all moods? No.

Gotta go.

jim

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:44:15 ET
Posted by: This Ol' Ham Radio, on the Rio Grande

Hello, I'm hoping some of you can clear up some confusion that arose from Saturday's show. I was in attendance, along with my brother and one of my best friends, both of whom are heavily into the Dan. I had an absolute blast, but my vibe was kind of tempered afterward. As we're headed for the closest pizza parlor, my friend starts slamming Walter for his comment about the Hindu cushion -- and allegedly following it up by saying something like "Get over it." I didn't hear that at all, but my friend was so riled up (thanks to the Hindu influence and lots of beer) that I didn't even try to bother arguing with him. I knew I couldn't change his mind, so I didn't try. But it was pissing me off to hear him say he's lost all respect for Walter, and that he's a hypocrite -- "Who is he to tell the fans that when half their songs are about drugs? And especially when Fagen was up there trashed!" I didn't get the sense Fagen was wasted, only that he had missed some words in DTMA, but now I know the story behind that. Could some of you who were up closer please tell me exactly what Walter said (or your closest approximation) so I can "confront" my friend? I'm not sure he'll believe me (or you, rather), but I'll try. He was so pissed off that he's talking about never going to see them again.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:37:19 ET
Posted by: The Bending End, RI`

Here’s a “personal” reaction to Godwhacker:

As much as I like Godwhacker musically, and even lyrically, I find it to be spiritually at odds with my own understanding of the universe.

It’s my belief that God gives Man free will, to exercise as he sees fit, and that it is the duty of Man to live with the consequences of his own decisions.

I interpret Godwhacker as blaming God for the actions of Man, and as the dispatchment of some sort of vigilante squad to knock off God as a fantasized solution.

The song is entertaining and creative, as always, but I find its implication lacks the acknowledgement of free will and its incumbent responsibilities.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:29:09 ET
Posted by: thefez98, '54 strat

dbeefy, the reference to the '54 strat in TIMTM is an old, ongoing gripe of Walter's, who had one ripped off way back when (and is offering a reward for it's return).

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:20:16 ET
Posted by: Skeevie Wonder, A Service Elevator in Palm Beach County

Long time no post-

Looking forward to tonight - I'll be 12 rows back to the right off the stage - EMG and LWG are my favorites on the new one -so I'm even more excited. Glad the Hurricane turned north -which should mean cool breezes off the Everglades tonight - ideal conditions - sorry to y'all in NC. I'll have a report tomorrow!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 12:01:57 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, TIMTM reality show

How have the themes in EMG effected me personally ?

TIMTM :

There was a broken down Lumina and a relatively functional Gran Prix. I got the Lumina. The house was falling down. We both felt like it was a gain to get rid of it at the height of the market.
I couldn't listen to the song for weeks 'cause I couldn't stand the guy's pissing and moaning.Then I realized that even with my kids 2 states away ( by far the greatest loss ) I have been seeing them a lot .I started listening to the song when I realized that my life was full....that it really was and that I was not the guy in the song.

EMG :

I decided not to go to the big Tech EXPO at the Javits center this week when a co worker said it was all about outsourcing big computer contracts to third world countries where a programmer could make 5 grand a year and have servants.A fellow musician and IT professional I met leaving Roseland on the way to Bar Bat Friday, an East Indian, said he was moving back to India in a few weeks.


The chicken is coming home to roost. I hear pecking at my door...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 11:49:51 ET
Posted by: Eric,

Man, I CANNOT wait for friday to get here. The Dan in Hot-Lanta. Gonna be a good one.

Is Bad Sneakers turning up on any of the set lists?

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 11:40:44 ET
Posted by: seth2112, tampa, via NYC

Tampa, last night.........Played JR (DF overly expressive "down in tampa.....), EMG, LWG, minus TIMTM. Too bad for first leg goers, EMG and LWG make the show.

DF mic was low, hard to make out between song banter, however,better sound than PNC last month. Little feedback during AJA, fixed in a sec

Someone threw a shoe on the stage, WB picked it up, turned to the band and said, "Does this belong to anyone one? Anyone missing a shoe?" Turns to the audience, "Where's the otherone?"

Arena half full, upper bowl not sold, venue to large.

Crowd rushed the stage for encores, they were 2 hours too late.
Energy given off to the band for MOS and FM kicked it up strong

DTMA still the pinnacle, Herrington Wails.

CC and SDS even more enjoyable, fun fun fun!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 11:01:35 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, long island

Thanks for the info on the Dan playing the Garden.

When I saw them in 93' they kicked off the tour at the Palace of Auburn Hills.. I think there were around 18,000 people there that night.

That was a wild set list: Reelin/Deacon/etc...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 10:47:45 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - I'm somewhat amazed, in turn, by your willingness to accept the party line of this utopian business ethic that's promulgated, no doubt, by the many good and decent people in our business community in America. These people, I offer, are the exception not the norm. There are millions of decent, fair and hororable folks in this country who still believe in our institutions, who accept, for example, that GW is our President even if we didn't vote for him. But please do not try to paint this picture of an American business community (read global) who are ethical and altruistic first and bottom line oriented secondarily. And I'm wondering which media myths you're talking about, those posited by the NY Times, whom I consider bias to the left, or FoxNews, whom I consider to be an organ (Donald's word) of our present administration. The Rajah rejects both of these propagandists.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 10:32:38 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, very tired

Angel-
It was indeed I who gave my "Aja" scarf to Cynthia. I am assuming that it ended up with intended recipient.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 09:59:51 ET
Posted by: angel,

Adding to Randy's inquiry. Andy, I also am not getting through to you. If I need to resend the message to another email address, let me know. Otherwise, I assume you will read it eventually. It was truly great hanging with you Friday night.

That Tampa review reminded me of that into to Slang. How could I have forgotten it! I remember laughing when it finally took a turn to the Slang side. Reviewer actually gets it. Starting to be a trend here.

Oh and did anyone catch the Newsday blurb about Roseland in last Friday's paper. The jerk (and that's the cleanest thing I can think of to call this member of the Fourth Estate) said that he was criticized by someone for not saying something nice, when they were scheduled to play Jones Beach. So since he couldn't think of anything nice to say, his comment was "Next".

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 09:51:26 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Hi Q!

Not sure if this is going to satisfy your curiosity but it is the context of my comment yesterday about accepting "profit" as the basis for business success. It sounds like you either misunderstood or twisted the meaning of my words. Lots of people find their own motivation for being in business but I'm referring to the business entity itself. At some point a business has to start turning a profit or it will fail.

Further generalizations that need to be addressed - "business school professors = have ever made any money" NOT true where I studied. The most well off profs were those who ran profitable consultancies and were in high demand.

Here is the quote you asked for: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?pwb=1&ean=9780812933048

I found it on a search. I don't know the authors or the book. I was just looking for the words for you. "...Business consultants Slywotsky and Morrison and freelance writer Andelman focus on the number-one rule of the marketplace: make money..... "

Lastly, you said:
"If you read the book "The Millonaire Next Door" you see the average millionaire is a humble person living in a decent (not upscale) neighborhood, living in a modest house and driving a five year old American car, not a TT or a Beamer."

Well I can't speak for America because I am not living there, but many of our local millionaires live in all kinds of lifestyles. Some of our most millionaire-dense communities are rural ones made up of farmers who work on modern-day farms and smell like manure in the bank lineup. Others are the guy next door who has squirrelled away $1 million through disciplined investing for retirement. The multimillionaires "live the lifestyle". I think we forget that $1 million is very attainable to those who are disciplined. It is very common place these days compared to those of our parents generation.

The "things" TIMTM is describing misplaced values and that has been recognised in most of the posts about it. Who the average millionaire in America is, is not the point of the song. I think most people "get" the genius of the songwriting and humour that went into TIMTM. We all know what SD is talking about.

Don't forget that there are a lot of "pop-culture business books" out there. They are more social commentary than academic.

Have a great day!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 09:18:00 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

Hoops - So you're aware, I was getting booted out of the 'Green Room' chat repeatedly yesterday (as you were); liked your comment when I was waxing theoretical ("I have to write that down");

Andy Metzger - I've sent numerous e-mails to your new address offering further material for your archive and have received no response; please let me know if you are (a) too busy to write, (b) ignoring me, or (c) have suffered a blow to the head resulting in memory loss or debilitation of your typing skills. (Response 'b' above will require no explanation beyond a statement to that effect in the subject line of an e-mail.) Hope all is well regardless...

HB - Thanks for the e-mail; you're a great help in these dark days. Keep a-writin'...

"And when the stars bleed out / that be the fever of the chase" - Steely Dan, 'Godwhacker'

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 08:45:15 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

trust me - with d+w - the ultimate cynics- emg is about every failed dot com and 22 yr olds with first run movies- once again about youth and how clueless they all are - i know- i was in a dot com, the stories are legendary-
check out the movie about dot coms..

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 07:49:24 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, showing his films in the den

Sparky, EMG made a huge personal impact on me, but not because I've had to sell the Audi TT !

As a 31-yr old public servant(day job) filmmaker(www.trickshot-films.co.uk sorry hoops!) in London who doesn't own a car, let alone a house on the Gulf coast, I have little sympathy for distressed former millionaires.

Intersting thought though. Would anyone who had to lose the '54 Strat please stand up...

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 07:46:42 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban Streetts

DACW, good read this morning. Cheers!

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 06:29:27 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, just going to work

Isabel, fair Isabel where will you land?

Review of the Tampa show - apparently no nudity in Tampa - Q are you going to check in with some personal comments? Sounds like technical problems plauged the show. Neogenre - is that really a word - I guess I'll have to get out a Websters.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/17/Artsandentertainment/Spectacular_oddity.shtml

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 06:04:12 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Molly - very true. However, everywhere else in the world when you quote someone else as a tribute or homage it's done in a solo, not in the main riff of the song. I know better than to open this can of worms on this board.

Re - EMG and corporate greed. I'm still waiting for anyone to produce a quote from any legit (not someone who's in jail or on trial) writer/business person (other than a business school professor, because none of them have ever made any money) who's ever said it is more important in business to make a profit than it is to achieve a sense of fulfillment and be serving others in an honest manner.

It is somewhat shocking to see the "cerebral fan base" buying these media myths without question. This is rather like hoping to see the Ben & Jen wedding. The average millionaire in America is not the shmuck from TIMTM nor the people in EMG. If you read the book "The Millonaire Next Door" you see the average millionaire is a humble person living in a decent (not upscale) neighborhood, living in a modest house and driving a five year old American car, not a TT or a Beamer.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 04:19:16 ET
Posted by: Sparky, China

It's occured to me the characters in EMG are something like the people posting about SD concerts they're seeing on this summer's tour.

Surely there's a 'Dave in acquisitions' among you. And more than a few would have lost their Audi TTs, summer homes, or at least a lot on paper, when the bubble burst.

So, when you listen to this album...is that your life they're singing about ?

Just fishing here for EMG's personal impact.

I jetted to Japan to see SD in 2000. Lyrically 'the junket to Osaka' is a tough fit..but that's the kind of thing I'm skipping these days.

Yes, the good times were global, and so is the downturn.

No, I don't expect (deserve) an ounce of sympathy.

Party on. I am.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 02:17:29 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve,

( Godwhacker )

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 02:14:11 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, Still dueling with duality

So when you are disenchanted with the Politico-Economic system (EMG) and you realize that all of your material focus has left you feeling empty( TIMTM) AND your Spiritual ideals have led you down the path to apocalyptic destruction , where do you go ?


Blues Beach of course !!!



I think I broke the code.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 01:47:46 ET
Posted by: BookeepersSon, NewJoisey

Just one more message from an attendee at Roseland last Saturday. I got 2 tix off of E-Bay at $30.00 a piece (bargain of the century). What a night!!! The setlist was almost exactly the same as what I saw a few weeks earlier at Jones Beach (save for the inclusion of Everything Must Go and the ommission of The Things I Miss The Most)BUT.... The energy in the performance was distincly different. The solos, the vocalizations and the repartee between the band and the audience was absolutely wonderful and everyone in the room felt it. My Brother-In Law was with me. He had never seen the Dan before. I would call him a casual fan. He was totally knocked out and he will never feel the same about SD again. I have been a junkie of SD music for 30 years. There are very few concert moments when you really feel totally connected to the performance, the performers and everyone in the room. Sometimes you have some of those elements working, but rarely all three together. This was one of those nights. I just remember thinking to myself, that I am witnessing one the greatest bands ever, on one of their greatest nights. This is a new era for Steely Dan. I love all their albums but Everything Must Go (to me) represents something very familiar but also something very funky and musically exciting. I think it is clearly their best effort. And I think the reason is that it has an emotional feel that expresses their joy of playing together (intertwined with their many layered lyrics). This is the essence of their music. The Roseland show on Saturday conveyed those feelings stronger than anything I have ever heard from this band. What a magical night!!!! What a great,great band. Donald,Walter and the rest of the ensembe-THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MUCH.

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 01:03:23 ET
Posted by: Rob Taylor, Rochester, NY

I am pissed! Since I saw them in Syracuse they added a song (EMG) and did not pay it when I saw them. Bumming hard.

Anyone going to Memphis? I might drive down there Saturday to see them.

Rob

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 00:49:36 ET
Posted by: mollywithawhy, CA...you know the rest

i recently read this on feverdreams and i apologize but i cannot remember who wrote it:it was about how EMG had a similar intro to Coltrane's A Love Supreme.....as far as I am concerned it is a total tribute/homage-any confirmation on that-prob no but take a listen to Part One, Acknowledgement and lemme know what you think...pretty amazing,no?
hoping i wont be told to sit down on the 28th, molly, with a "y"

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Date: Wed, September 17, 2003, 00:21:52 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, blueballed in Bethel

Hi friends! I'm glad to see the traffic on this site is still flowing, despite Dan's departure from our area. Hoops, you are right, negativity should just be ignored, and with any luck those "beings" that call themselves Haiku Priestess(!), Trout Farm, and Tracy are already long gone and won't be back. Walter's blue balls?!? You're right Zim, it's pretty pathetic when people speak about others they know nothing about. Sounds like a rejected groupie or ex-girlfriendto me. I actually hope Walter checks that post out. We KNOW he'd have a good laugh about that. Anyway, it's not his balls we are all interested in (I'm sure Mrs. Becker has that situation all under control!). See Billboard's Top
40 "stars" for crap like that. Ummm-while I agree that being a musician certainly increases the likelihood of indulging in excesses, I must VEHEMENTLY disagree with your statement that all rock stars are drug addicts. Sweeping, gross generalizations like that are almost never correct. I know of MANY people who play music for a living that are not only NOT addicted to drugs, but have never even done them. I don't know what your line of work is, but I'm sure you wouldn't want the most negative trait of that particular group of people applied to you. One more note: music business is an oxymoron, like military intelligence.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 23:41:48 ET
Posted by: DACW - scents of entitlement ,

Raj, PG: regarding EMG: The Corporate Greed and sense of entitlement were exposed when the "new economy" bubble burst...

Wherever there is money, there will be some greed. Wherever there is power, someone will try to grab some. This does not mean...To me the Tech/stock bubble...

Now this ties in nicely to Glamour Profession - the birth of equal opportunity elitism...here fueled by snort. Previously, only perrenial rich families and Ivy Leaguers were among the Elite, then the jet setters...Now Hollywood, Musicians, CEOs, Clintons all claimed a sense of entitlement in fields they had not earned...But didn't Faulkner predict this? For example, why should I give a rat's ass about the political oninion of some Hollywood elitist effete with often a high school education, unless he or she is wickedly funny like Jon Stewart or Dennis Miller who's raison d'etre is to poke holes in the folly displayed acress the political spectrum...

Remember that the circumstances, both good and bad that led to the stock run-up and the bubble burst were in the last adminsitration for what it's worth...while Robert Rubin's policies assisted the accruement of capitalism, his lack of effort on the regulatory front assisted the downfall...the point is that there are two equivalents of acadmic peer review in capitalism: they are (a) consumers and (b) market "corrections." Both expose companies from mom and pop to small franchises to large corporations (who, by the way, only employ 5% of the work force) that are inefficient, who are not provided needed services, and who are running crooked operations.

The Enrons, Global Crossings are based on a twisted dot.com model where they ran overboard with the 1993 act that allowed stock options not to be counted as a debit, thus turning the ledger book into a coloring book...Stock market growing capital from increasing stock price and hype were the engine that powered the money machine...In my view, EMG represents a (unintentionally) a nail in the coffin (or from the intro - a falling down the stairs) of the "new economy" we heard about in the 90s...pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...don't fret that the P/E ratios are 100-200! The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken!

*****...but won't you take me along when you slide on down, a twist on a classic Dan theme...what separates da boyz from MERE MORTALS is how the narrator enjoys the slide down. In lesser hands, this is a tragedy. In a Steely dan vignette it is some face time in the "service" elevator! *****

...look most priests (I'm a Catholic) are decent people, not pedophiles or serial statuatory homosexual rapists...however, they have a major problem with elitism...their corporate-like structure spits out the same narrow, pharisee (sp?)-like minutiae while the victimes of the sisters of Magdalene or the 1000s suing the Arch-Diocese of Boston and Chicago and elsewhere CRY for accountability. It's sad that capitalism is by nature far better at self-correction. Most people are hard-wroking with some sense of fair play...the key is when one combines people with a sense of entitlement with money and or power over others, sooner or later there will be a fall...

Consumer spending is frankly one of the only things that has kept the economy afloat post bubble and post 9/11 (the estimated direct and indirect costs of 9/11 on the economy are $700 Billion)...Ernon and the others were more of an ugly symptom rather than cause...

WUICK HIDE ?YOUR EYES IF YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH ;-): I am not a rich person...in fact, barely middle class...my old school happened to have a significant number of wealthy and even a higher percentage of future wealthy folks...some were decent, some were scum...no different in distribution than say a wharf or even a football locker room...education does not confer value or common sense or understanding of the human condition, although many are burndened with a sense of elitism. I didn't like many, but then I'm not a big fan of my generation (the Boomers) of which I'm on the tail end...but most of my Old Schoolers not unlike those who toil on a wharf or in a competitive pro leaugue - worked their asses off...and a few lost their lives on 9/11...

The bad news is that Republicans and Democrats over the past 6 years have felt a sense of entitlement and went on a spending spree, even before the hightened national security costs and the war on terrorism...

I've looked up the tax revenues a while ago and analyzed the different income percentiles...We have of course a progressive tax structure where those least able play far less in taxes - it's fair (although all pay too much as a % of family income AND GNP IMHO)....however it means that the top 10% pay about half of the total tax income to the Feds and businesses also pay significant taxes which are passed down to consumers in a hidden double tax...In 2001 and 2001 compared with 1999 and 1998, the greatest loss tax revenue which is the majority of the move in Federal coffers from surplus was in that Top ten percent. The amount of tax the Rich paid dropped by 1/3!! If Bill Gates has a bad year and his wealth goes from $55 Billion to $38 Billion - he has no net income that annum and pays NO TAXES!!! However, he's sitll worth $38 Billion!!...the ultimate IRONY is that when the RICH and Business have a crappy year or two or three, the stock market and the Federal deficit TANK!...and math has no political agenda...as Paul Simon once said "when numbers get serious"

...but the law of sine sine wave catches us sooner or later...just hope it's not a tsunami...

...so if you see Charlie Freak - give him a break...buy him some soup and a book...


W&D's politico views are veiled throughout the discography, were fashioned in the 60s, and they have stated they would be against whatever establishment was there at the time...I expect nothing less from fertile creative minds...dissent has always been a part of the American culture...remember a higher % of people opposed WWII in america from 1939-1941 with an isolationist mentality that reaches even beyond that seen at a Pat Buchanan family reunion!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 23:32:24 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

The two or three well known business people who get caught in criminal activity every year are the tip of the iceberg.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 23:32:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - I know better than to try to change your mind, mi compadre, but the stats you quote are specious at best and I don't what America you're living in but the courts are jammed with fraud, breach of contract and discrimination suits over and above our white collar criminal cases. These people come from big, medium and small corporations. As bad as that is, there's the bigger problem of our global corporation and their political influence at home and abroad. These massive entities are bigger than, now I'll sound specious here, most soverign countries. What they have done for the last twenty years is manufacture their goods in places where the political climate is good -cozy down below- couldn't resist. And this is where a lot of bad things started. A lot of bad things. At the risk of being labeled a communist, it may be one of the reasons Barna took up her fluffies turned tail and paddled home.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 21:49:16 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Rajah - the EMG philosophy of "corporate greed," whatever that is, is standard class warfare gibberish. It is the mother of all myths. It is laughable to harp on the two or three well known business people who get caught in criminal activity every year and portray them as a representative sample of the business community. We saw this in the 80s with books like Bright Lights, Big City,Bonfire of the Vanities and Less Than Zero and with soaps like Dallas and Denver or whatever the other one was called. It's nonsense. As to corporations killing the arts, it is precisely corporations which SUSTAIN the arts through generous grants. I know of quite a few firms where, once your salary gets to be a certain level, you are REQUIRED to donate a portion to a charity as a condition of your employment. How many people who whine about "corporate greed" could say the same? How come you never see a headline in a paper "Stockbroker donates 50 grand to cancer research" even though it happens every day?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 21:00:15 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

Just saw the Roseland pics....and although I completely understood the magnitude of the shows, times, experiences y'all had. All I can say after seeing the pic during the show is OMFG! you guys are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lucky.

I am just pleased as punch I get to see 2 shows. If the lottery comes in before Maui, it will be 3!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 20:30:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

We like it.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 20:18:22 ET
Posted by: Bill Moss, Oakland, CA

Great guestbook!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:42:57 ET
Posted by: hoops,

In the NYC area during the 1993 tour, they played Madison Square Garden for their Manhattan dates, then twice at Jones Beach and once at Meadowlands and another place in NJ too.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:39:37 ET
Posted by: Jason,

Yeah, I think since it was their 1st year back under the name Steely Dan there were playing bigger venues. Up here in the Boston area they played 2 shows at Great Woods and tickets were selling out quick. Tickets have been easier to get with each subsequent tour. The fact that there were still tickets available to the Saturday night Roseland show on the night of the show is still remarkable to me.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:37:50 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

So you peeps, why not take the ensuing discussion on corporate decadence to the likes of EMG...

Show the world our mighty hidey-ho face
As we go sliding down the ladder
It was sweet up at the top
'Til that ill wind started blowing
Now it's cozy down below

So what's the "ill wind"? Is it our conscience finally getting to us after ripping off consumers in a flurry marketing's empty promises? Is it those damn younger corporate bastards running up the corporate ladder faster than we can react to save our position? Is it that ill wind of fading hormonal intoxication that happens in mid-life leaving us questioning why we are even still in the race? Is it that inevidable age descrimination? Is it the marketing motives of corporate America under the microscope? Is it honestly cozy down below or is he just saying that to hide his disappointment and defeat?

Those are just a few things I'm working through right now.

Actually I can't complain about this mornings thoughts. I'm working on branding theme as a guest lecture for design students. My host just "ate up" the idea when I suggested we have them work on a product line of high end copper cookware (a la TIMTM)! Hung on his office wall was a framed picture of a Fender Strat (maybe circa '54 ? , http://www.provide.net/~cfh/strat54.html )

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:34:24 ET
Posted by: RCray, NYC

Thanks Jason.

I saw the dan in 93 at the Palace in Auburn Hills Michigan when I lived there.

It seems as though they were playing large venues that year.

Later.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:28:25 ET
Posted by: angel,

Danfiend: You finally checked in. What was the story regarding the Aja scarf? I thought you were the one to give it to Cynthia.
I really enjoyed hanging with you. Nothing like standing up front showing Donald and Walter how much we really appreciate their music.

Has anyone mentioned that (EMG) clock graphic that shows up during all the instrumental breaks that follow Donald saying "I'm never going back to my old school". They have a red second hand running backwards during the entire instrumental part. I thought that was truly inspired. Also loved the TV/Radio type stuff during FM.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:15:26 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Hearing all of these comments regarding the Saturday show makes me wish I had been there both nights. Would have appreciated the FM howl, and I always appreciate a Hindu-like cloud in my presence. Although hearing those first few notes of "Aja" on Friday night was mesmerizing. Oh, had I only saved up some vaca time for late September!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:14:32 ET
Posted by: danfiend, CHI

Hey All

I guess I am the last of the Wreckless Crew to check in. That's because I had checked out! I just picked myself off the floor. I may never recover. I had the time of my life at Roseland. There are no words that can begin to justify what that experience was like.

There are so many shout outs to make: Pete, Shari, Hoops, Gretchen, Residual Ed, Aussie, Utah, Mo, Moonflower, Bway Steve, Andy Metzger, Lady Bayside, Q, and Pixeleen, As-if Randall, The Wreckless Crew: Mr. Sam, LWO, South, and our newest member Jude, and all the other folks I got to finally meet and hang with this past weekend.

Special Thanks to Cornielus Bumpus, Tom Barney, John Herrington, Cindy Mizelle, Ted Baker, my girl Cynthia Calhoun, and Mr. Bernard "Pretty" Purdie for your kindness and advice.

The biggest Thanks has to be reserved for Donald and Walter. You two have no idea what you have started. I thought I was a huge SD fan before. The 2003 tour has increased my love for you two exponentially. Keep doing what you're doing. Another album in 2-3 years? Got my fingers crossed.

Gotta run. Look forward to the Dallas show. See you all soon

Danfiend

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:13:20 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Corporate America is killing this country on every level, the arts for sure and the shrinking middle class in general. The Bush tax cuts salve the wounds the rich incurred due to recession while weakening our ability (and willingness) to help the folks who fall through the cracks and need a safety net. "

Rajah ..................You " Got Game " today my Steely Brother !

To continue the EMG thread :

" Corporations are DESTROYING America by shrinking and reducing everyone's standards and values to the amoral arithmetic of the bottom line . "

-- From " Who will Tell the People " by William Greider ( 1993 )

-- Thank You

The Joey ( Got Game ) !

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 16:02:12 ET
Posted by: Jason, Still recoverying from NYC

RCRAY- The Dan played big house at Madison Square Garden on Aug. 18 in 1993. The only other time they had played Roseland prior to this past awesome weekend was in 1995. After playing on Letterman the night before the weekend shows at the Roseland were the only shows that year.

Just to add on to what everyone else has already said, the scene at Roseland on Saturday night was off the hook. Just awesome from the Hindu cushion to the FM howl. The after party at Le Bat was equally memorable. I got a chance to speak with Jon Herington, Tom Barney & Cornelius Bumpus. To say that Cornelius was a man of few words would be an understatement but all three could not have been more pleasant and personable. I'm not sure but I *think* I enjoyed the night just a little more than them. I was sure to ask them to get the band back on the road as soon as possible. Unfortunately for me Saturday night marked the end of my EMG shows but the fact that it was probably the best SD show and after show I've seen in the 10 years makes the pill a little easier to swallow. Thanks again to Hoops, Pete and the greater Dandom for making it all possible.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 15:48:29 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, when can I go home?

Dave - yes I think that's Mohegan Sun - you can tell by what the girls are wearing. Carolyn had a different top on at that show with diamond patterns; they are wearing skirts too. At Manchester they wore black jackets; at Oakdale they had the same style shirts as Tweeter, etc.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 15:38:31 ET
Posted by: RCray, NYC

Does anyone know where the dan played in NYC when the had their reunion tour in 1993?

Was it Roseland or a larger venue?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 15:15:37 ET
Posted by: Dave, netherworld

Does anyone know where the top photo from the SD homepage tour pics section was taken from? Mohegan Sun maybe?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 15:08:24 ET
Posted by: Aussie, New York

EdBeatty: No that wasn't you. That dude was of Middle Eastern origins. And he knew all the lyrics except for the ones for Parker's Band, which I thought was interesting. He was also behind both myself and the drop dead gorgeous redhead while he shouted in her eardrum. Finally after having suffered through a few numbers, she re-positioned herself closer to the stage and just behind you to your right.
The Roseland shots on the ODP are amazing, especially the one of the boys in action in the midst of a jam packed Ballroom. With the right software, and using zoom in tools, you can pick out EdBeatty very easily, LadyBayside, Hoops, Hat2Flat, Myself and Utah, and a few others. As Angel mentioned, the picture was snapped during the Saturday night gig as is evidensed by Ms. Carolyn Leonhart's absence. Also, I was able to deduce that the band is playing Aja by the flowers in the backdrop images...I clearly remember those flowers to the Aja performance. When you right click on the ODP pixel and save it on your harddrive, it saves itself as Aja-flower or something like that.

YGK Malcolm: I'm glad more and more people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee in re CoreNYC's "Tryin' to Sort it all Out". I'm very excited for you that it will get radio play down under too. If there's anybody out there who hasn't heard this masterpiece of jazzsoulblues, do yourselves a favour and BUY IT. Only a music loather would regret doing so.

LuckLess Pedestrian: We sang your name outloud at both Roseland gigs sweetie pie. I'm still waiting for Jim McKay to greenlight me for sending pictures out to compile in a comprehensive Roseland/LBB pictures web site.


Aus


September 16, 2003 11:07

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:50:30 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Raj
Right on, brother. And the man was not even really f***** elected!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:42:18 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - tell me what you think of this deep thought which came to me whilst getting drilled at the Dentist's. In corporate America, contrary to their propaganda about caring for consumers, etc. (don't you just love it when each beer commercial is epilogued with, "please drink resposibly") profit is king, period. It's been my experience that corporate officers and directors will do anything to ensure profit levels, no matter what. And they will manipulate internal accounting to ensure stock price, hello ENRON. So when we go into a recession and people stop buying say, widgets, as much as they did, profits will decrease. In order to forstall any lessening of directors' and officers' bonuses, X number of production people get laid off, costs go down and lo and behold, there is enough money to give the VPs their projected remuneration.

What I'm saying is, when it rains 30 out of 90 days at Coney Island, the cotton candy man is going to take a hit. The weather was bad, he had a down year and had to eat a percentage of his projected income. But in our pre-apocalyptical Bush era, faced with this decrease, corporate America either fires the help and raises the price of cotton candy.

Corporate America is killing this country on every level, the arts for sure and the shrinking middle class in general. The Bush tax cuts salve the wounds the rich incurred due to recession while weakening our ability (and willingness) to help the folks who fall through the cracks and need a safety net.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:34:59 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

Gretchen
You are just way to nice, i just think it goes way overboard- and yes i am at work too and hate my f---kin job of investing other peoples cashola- go dan

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:26:27 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, someone to trust

Kram, I posted my little analysis of TIMTM while at work. It's an amusing diversion from underwriting people's mortgage applications. Sometimes all that paperwork can drive you a little nuts, you know? I need to shift my attention occasionally, and I have a private office. I also have a marshmallow peeps screen saver.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:25:09 ET
Posted by: Researcher, @work

Balsa wood FLOATS.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:21:11 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

so much time + energy and probably "editing" going into analyzing some words to a frickin song -mama mia.. who's got some time on their hands?? My God, does anybody have a job? A family? A LIFE?
go dan- by the way audi makes a cut from each cd

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:19:31 ET
Posted by: hoops,

For those commenting and responding to the Problem Poster:

Please don't help them by responding even in opposition to their posts. I'm working with authorities to deal with it, but as well intentioned as it may seem, responding fans the flames.

Again, numero uno cardinal rule here, as always, is when someone is obvisouly inciting a rise with a flame, please ignore them. Heck write me and I will even give you my cell to chat if you need to.

THANKS!

jim

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:09:52 ET
Posted by: Zim, wondering

Just wondering what kind of pathetic lives people are living when they have an uncontrollable need to post completely unattractive comments about human beings they truly know nothing about. There is so much more to life.

"What a shame about..."

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:03:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretchen - and I thought you were just another pretty face.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 14:01:49 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, Makapuu Street

Tracy! Don't ever hate on Walter again. That was just ugly...

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 12:36:31 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Peter Q, Bratfille, Rajah, here's my take. The narrator in TIMTM had all of those expensive toys to fill the void in his relationship,which was probably over long before the actual split. Buying goodies is fueled by depression. Now he's broke, broken up, and probably hooked up with the little birdy friend in drunken desparation. She was not the cause of the breakup. They were just unhappily married and thought the sleek little Audi, the fancy copper pans and the vacation homes would remedy a bad marriage while providing diversions from facing the real, troubling issues in the relationship. He misses the idea of having someone to trust and have a great cerebral connection with (the talk), but would not need those fancy items to make himself happy if he were with the right one. He kind of likes fryin' up his sad cuisine because being alone is better than being in a bad relationship. He says himself, he doesn't mind the quiet or lonely nights, and the "funky" attitudes and fights are probably the only things that fueled their sex life anyway. He enjoys hunkering down with the post before dinner because she probably never let him lay around on the couch relaxing, and deprived him of things he really enjoyed doing. He tries building a replica of the Andrea Doria because he's looking for some artistic outlet through which to express himself and gain internal satisfaction, but doesn't quite know where to begin. A model ship is his easiest solution. In the corner of his eye, he sees that "adorable ghost" but the image is ghostlike because it is someone he idealizes, or someone he has not yet met but hopes to find. It is not of the ex, or he would not be feeling any of the relief he had expressed earlier in the song.
The thing he misses the most is something he never had with the ex, which is a "true companion."

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 12:10:28 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

I meant that "quit it" comment in jest you know.

(Sorry if it sounded out of line)

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:31:28 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Oh Q, quit it!!! I wan't supposed to spend the morning in the bluebook.

The reason the big guns don't mention it is because "duh...it's almost rhetorical if they do." It's us poor self-loathing saps who attend business school to find the answer to the meaning of life instead of going out there and just doing it. Just like those poor saps who attend art school to learn how to be artists instead of taking a risk on putting their own ideas out there and being subject to harsh criticism. Do you know anyone like that? Of course we wouldn't be able to appreciate all this without academic insights and commentary.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:21:25 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Now that Globe and Mail report has got me thinking. Hmmm.... was I out of it or was the reporter?

I heard 3 EMG songs and I can swear they never even played Two Against Nature as part of the setlist that night.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:21:08 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

OK well, aside from business school professors who have never made any big money themselves, find me one book, article, website, whatever, by a well known millionaire that says profit takes precedence over self fulfillment and helping others in business. I defy you to find even one sentence like that, unless it's written by a professor. You could read books by Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Mary Kay Ash, Warren Buffet, whomever you want. And it's germaine to the basic philosophy of EMG.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:15:07 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

The salient point is that B&F are saying Look, this dude thinks a superficial marketing creation like the Audi TT is as valid a sports car as a Nissan 350Z or something. It's a comment on emptiness.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:12:47 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Oh and one last thing Q.

In business school it was the first thing they taught us not the 6th or 7th. If your are not aiming to make a profit then you are not in business.(excluding non-profit or government organizations whose MO is maximizing resources). Profit is not a bad word even in creative endeavours.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:10:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey, good morning, so we're back on TIMTM debates? Goes to show how the song resonates with us and keeps us coming back to review its possible messages. Peter I agree we have not unraveled the inner/outer dichotomy of this little number. Everybody has a theory so here's mine: the key to the song for me is the line, "somebody to trust". It tells us so much. He trusted her, frankly, it seems to have been the only saving grace of that relationship. Talk, sex, and the TT, the houses, the chair, copper pans, 54 Strat don't really add up to a hill of beans as Bogey would say. You can have and share these things with anybody on the planet without much emotional attachment at all. But trust, ah trust, now there's the rub. She must have been trustworthy on some level for this narrator to blurt that out. Now, either he betrayed her trust or she betrayed his, we don't know for sure, although the little birdey friend was, I tend to think, a reference to the narrator's transgression, the reason they're caput. The dichotomy cannot really ever be solved just like we all carry around conflicting motivations within ourselves which will never be truly resolved finally and for good. The dichotomy between knowing the price of things and the value of things, the dichotomy between loving your wife and wanting to have that sweet young thing at the office, the dichotomy between wanting a fast car and a great looking car; these are challenges we all face everyday in our choices. It's the human condition.

I love the Andrea Doria line. How pointless and macabre to build a replica of a doomed ship first of all. It's a metaphor for the sunken relationship. Then to attempt to rebuild it out of balsa wood, that very flimsy hobby shop material of the 50s and 60s, what a pointless exercise. If the real ship that was fashioned out of strong materials failed and sank, what chance does his little ship made of balsa have in those turbulent waters? It's a tale of remorse, it's starting to dawn on him, I think, what deeper truths abide.

BTW don't give the jerks who occasionally turn up on these cyber pages any mind, it's what they want. Peace I'm off to the Dentist,

OOUUCCHHIIEE!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:07:15 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Hey Bird!

I've been using the "Ray Charles " descriptive too.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 11:04:45 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

I never said D&W's 'music' is a business and I don't believe it is. For most great artists out there it isn't.

I just finished listening to an interview with Rufus Wainwright (CBC radio). He ended it with a commentary from the otherside; he said don't let your children grow up to songwriters, althought it can be fulfilling, it can also be torturous. As with all dilemas in art there is no correct answer. The pain is part of the perfection.

Nice discussion.

I wonder what's the focus of the next release. Will it be the heartbreak of bad golfing skills? Maybe it will be a sardonic play by play commentary on "cougars" found at the tennis club. Now that would be a little 'sad cuisine'.

How the heck are boomers going to stay relevent while being forced to pass the torch?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 10:58:53 ET
Posted by: Bird Lives, Toronto

OOPS... here is the link to the review

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030916/STEELY16/TPEntertainment/Music

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 10:58:15 ET
Posted by: Bird Lives, Toronto

This review from teh Globe and Mail.....I had to laugh...I made a point to my buddy at teh show that Donald was looking and playing like Ray Charles. Don and Walt were just superb on Sunday...they exuded a confidence and stage presence that I did not see the last 2 times. What a night!!!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 10:42:19 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Well Brat, you hit the nail on the head, but backwards. You said the basic tenet of business is to do what you do for a profit, what other motivation is there to do it? No one who has ever succeeded in a big way in business would give that answer first - it would be sixth or seventh on the list. Here's an example: If you asked Donald Fagen, why do you play your music, do you think he would answer "Profit." ????? No. He, or anyone why has been successful in any given field, would say they do it Number One, because they love to. They would do it if they weren't being paid one dime. Second, they do it to share with others and help others. The clown narrator of TIMTM is running his life with material profit as his number one motivator, which is why he doesn't have any.

Hey Gretchen, email me the file, let's get some transactions happening.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 10:15:50 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

I hear you Q.

(BTW - I didn't read the book) It's true, that may well be the myth, but if you bought into it in the first place the reality will exist for you and you will still question why you failed.

TIMTM and EMG has all the trappings of a classic SD pathetic soul. It has a main character who is a victim of a misplaced passion or addiction. They always skirt around or avoid dealing with it or even adimitting their faults which have contributed to the situation in the first place. No one likes to got through the really tough personal changes.

Not one of these 'guy characters' is ever strong enough to take a chance on unconditional commitment to something. They are willing to take big risks in everything else. I love that about SD albums. I keep cheering for the victim hoping that in the end he will wake-up and find something worth living for other than the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure. It keeps me buying albums hoping that the SD character will finally "get it".

In TIMTM, I don't think the material goods are really the issue. They are just a symbol of power and control. You can be poor and still be a control freak. It's that letting go of the need to control that this guy doesn't get. He's playing on our sympathies just like he did in "Shame About Me" (a little game of one-up-manship between the two characters). Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for the guy, but he's a victim of his own making.

I am not surprised that B&F buy-into the whole 'corporate greed' thing. The basic tenet of business is to do what you do for a profit (what other motivation is there to do it?). Greed is just a form of corruption. Some develop it and others don't. It's not a shameful thing to buy nice things with your hard earned money if you have no responsibilities such as kids or a traditional type of wife to support. What is a shame is "missing mostly" the things which shielded you from being judged a failure by your peers, which makes you wonder justhow many are using their personal possessions as a facade. It's all a shallow game.

Not all rock stars are drug addicts but many of them fall victim to the the allure and pleasure of it all. Look at Johnny Cash's last video. What a powerful statement on the things which most people don't get about what will fulfill you in life. It's not the sexy rock and roll bad boy life or a blind faith in religion (godwacker) that's the real prize. No, it's that haunting image of his loving wife June standing behind him. IMHO it's no coincidence JC died within a few months after losing his wife. There's no substitue for unrequitted love.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 09:58:12 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, tied to the mast

Tracy-if you are not a fan, and detest Walt so much, why, may I ask, are you in here? That's just idiotic. It would be like me visiting Jlo's site. I suggest you find more constructive ways to use your time. Don't waste our space, please.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 09:21:22 ET
Posted by: The Doctor is In,

DX:

Erotomanic delusion.

Subtype: Resentful, with mixed Simple Obsessional features

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 09:14:31 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Walter Becker is a royal ass wipe. Mr. Nasty evil personalities..... He had to become a rock star in order to get laid cause he is so damn mean and so far out he is lonesome. "

You make Joey weep and shit liquid - Why ?!?!?!

Why must you make young Joey cry so violently ?!? WHY ?!?!?!?!?!


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Joey !

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 09:02:45 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Gretchen: sorry we missed each other on Friday at Roseland......and I heard you were at the Bat - what a bummer........

To all those I missed (and those I didn't) - happy Dannnings!

Oleander! What's up........write me.......

ygk

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 08:59:10 ET
Posted by: ummm, ummm

PeterQ, I hate to be the one to tell you, but all Rock Stars and musicians are drug addicts.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 08:54:39 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Yeah but Bratfille, be careful about falling into the trap of believing that everyone who has money measures success by material goods and expensive toys. In fact, if you read the famous book "The Millionaire Next Door" by Stanley and Danko you see the exact opposite is the real truth. I am a little surprised that B&F seem to buy into the whole "corporate greed" myth. The people in The Last Mall aren't likely to be wealthy at all, though they are likely to be in debt up to their eyeballs. The people who ran the company in EMG are hardly representative of all business people. They are representative of such a small amount of them that hardly anyone would even notice if the media didn't beat this dead horse every few weeks. This is like saying all rock stars or jazz musicians are drug addicts.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 08:38:48 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

TIMTM is simple.

It's all those comforts of home lost to an intellectual rival/former partner with a good lawyer (and deep pockets) when a DINK couple (double income no kids) divorce after several years of assuming that a relationship needs no attention to survive.

It's obviously told from a male perspective. Sex with a "young and pretty" birdie friend won't give you back the commitment and control of "the thing you crave the most". These are the things the "corporate suits" hate to lose because they are a measure of their successs and selfworth. Even the intellectual persuit of building the Andrea Doria - a tragic story itself, out of balsawood (no small feat- kinda like building a fortune 500 company) has no meaning -"does anybody get lucky twice"?


Even my 15 y.o. son comments every time we see an Audi TT being driven by a woman, "Hey Mom there's a divorced woman like the one from that song." Those cold corporate-driven vindictive women know how to hit a man were it hurts.

That's the way I hear the song.

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 08:21:42 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, not at home

Another report from Toronto - sounds like the topless babes were the highlight of the show since both reviewers felt like they needed to mention it:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1063663808560&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 08:20:35 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

NO REVIEW in the New York Times yet!!!!!!
Now after the Jones Beach show, I figured, "OK, they're waiting for the Roseland shows..they don't want to review our boys twice." So what the f--k? Surely this rag has room for a paragraph or two...I'll be contacting them later today, when I am more awake, with a teeny little piece of my mind...all that I can spare.
BTW, what's with all those Walter Becker remarks? If ya don't like this band (inconceivable!), why are you even posting here? Go over to Britney's or Christina's web sites please...and such nasty remarks about his manhood? The man is a father - obviously he is well equipped! Penny - a luckless pedestrian

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 07:21:40 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

The research team has been busy collecting news on the Audi TT in order to buttress the hypothesis that TIMTM articulates the belief that the narr is one of these people whose lives was built on a simple materialistic preoccupation with paper thin imitations of real things. So, from the esteemed automotive site edmunds.com: " For buyers seeking the ultimate performance sport coupe or roadster, the TT will likely disappoint. But those willing to give up, say, 12 percent of sheer ability will get back at least 25 percent in pure style." IN other words, style over substance. We are currently combing the websites of real estate brokers on Martha's Vineyard and the Gulf Coast to compare fluctations in prices in the real estate markets in these venues over the last several years. Copper pans are elusive to get a handle on, one of us may have to enroll in a cooking class to get a grip on that one.

No one has solved the inside/outside dichotomy problem of things in TIMTM yet!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 04:54:06 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, compelled to bring a certain name

Mr Becker is that you having a laugh ?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 03:23:16 ET
Posted by: Trout Farm, Trout Planet USA this Milky Way

Who ever told Walter he could sing????? Have that person fired!

TF

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 02:47:42 ET
Posted by: Haiku Priestess, Honaleeeeeeee

Agreed about WB! He is beyond blue to a rare shade of razzblueberry. Shriveled up beyond bluz balls. Everything below his tropic of capricorn is midget sized.

The High Priestess of Haiku

Try not to picture it or you will have bad dreams!

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 01:35:02 ET
Posted by: Tracy , NYC

Walter Becker is a royal ass wipe. Mr. Nasty evil personalities..... He had to become a rock star in order to get laid cause he is so damn mean and so far out he is lonesome.

Tracy ~ Not a fan of the dan and especially Walter

This is called the blue book to symbolize the state of Walter's Balls

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 01:18:17 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, DANcing in Bethel

And the beat goes on...Great to hear all the different perspectives on the NYC shows. We certainly know our "Dan." I always thought Kid C. might have been about Owsley as well, or maybe Ken Kesey. Too much psychedelia for it to be Timothy Leary-his was a more meditative trip. On the next tour, I'd like to institute the "dancing only" section. I guess I have to be empathetic to all who just like to sit there and listen. After all, that is the way I've listened to a good portion of the music--sitting down. But on the other hand, a concert should be a place where people can be free to express themselves, and I find it very rude that people will actually "order" you to sit down. I guess we pay for the seats, but not the air above them. I actually heard someone asking specifically which songs we would like to dance to, since she felt they all weren't that good (!!!!!)What sort of people do we have in this "free" country of ours?

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Date: Tues, September 16, 2003, 00:15:44 ET
Posted by: Gilbert, New Jersey

It was great being part of the wonderful experience this past weekend at Roseland and Le Bar Bat. The Dan was nothing short of awsome. Great seeing everyone at Novotel and meeting up with "Doc (Steely Dan License Plate)", Pete , Joe (Ohio), Hoops and Marcia. Sorry I forgot a few other names. The post show music at Bat Bar was awsome! Having the Hudson River Rats along with SD guys hamering out a few more Dan tunes till late hours was cool.

Let's "Do it Again"



Gilbert from NJ

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 23:54:50 ET
Posted by: angel,

Obviously, that picture of Roseland is of the Saturday performance, since Carolyn isn't there. What a beautiful shot!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 23:12:29 ET
Posted by: oleander, Hotlanta!

DANCE ON THE BONES TIL THE FANS SAY WHEN
at the ATLANTA DANFEST!!

Yes, Virginia, there is a Fest brewing in Atlanta Friday, September 19.

The itinerary:

-- 4:00 - 7:00 --

Pre-party at MALONES GRILL & BAR ATLANTA AIRPORT AREA
1258 VIRGINIA AVE, ATLANTA, GA 30344
Phone: (404) 762-5577

**Appetizers and drinks on the patio is the plan for Malone's. There's also
a full menu of great food straight from the grill if you're interested.
Prices are reasonable.

-- 8:00 - 10:30 --

STEELY DAN
Hi Fi Buys Amphitheatre

--11:00 --------> (pick up what's left by daylight)

Jammin' with MUDCAT down at the Northside Tavern
1058 HOWELL MILL RD NW, ATLANTA, GA 30318
Phone: (404) 874-8745
(www.northsidetavern.com) Check out their awesome Web site!

**This is the house of the best blues in Atlanta. Mudcat especially will be
burning down the house -- not to be missed!!!

**PLUS, thanks to Kid C, bring your concert ticket stub and you get a FREE DRINK
at the Northside!!

**DOOR PRIZES from the ridiculous to the sublime, and as ever, PRIZES and the
approbation of your peers for the most meritorious Dan-related costumes!!
(Disclaimer: These will depend on the conduct of Hurricane Isabel. Don't ask.)

**Get directions at mapquest.com or email the Atlanta list at atlanta@dandom.com
(don't forget to sign up)

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 22:28:46 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Go to the official website.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 22:25:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Pic of Walter in the middle of the ballroom at Roseland soundcheck. Last pic is a classic. Who are those people crushing up against the stage? Names please.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 21:40:24 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Not sure if this was mentioned or not, at Roseland Walter was dressed like Johnny Cash and said he had done so in acknowledgement of Cash's passing.

Re - drums. On the Gadd Gang albums, as well as on his most famous recorded works like Paul Simon's 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover, Gadd shows a great bias toward playing marches. This style is very different from Carlock's, IMHO. Gadd even plays on a swing album by Milt Jackson where you can hear the march-style come through a bit.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 21:23:32 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, the world of duality

Manhattan seemed quiet today . As I entered my building I looked uptown at the red brick Novotel and felt the first pang of what will undoubtedly become a period of letting go, nostalgic reflection and settling back into the groove.I wouldn't call it depression, just the realization that peak experiences begin and end.

I am resisting the urge to eat pie.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 21:09:00 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, When's the hurricane going to hit?

More drummer news:
http://www.wokr13.tv/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2A1ED003-9180-4E7A-94C6-5E86AAC8E30B

Toronto Review:
http://www.canoe.ca/JamConcertsR2Z/steelydan_091403-sun.html

"As well, the second half of the show found the band plowing through one song after another quite quickly. Janie Runaway seamlessly went into Hey Nineteen, one of the several crowd pleasers. It was as if they either had a plane to catch or, bitten once by the blackout, were still a bit gunshy about taking their time."

I know what they mean sometimes.

"Lunch With Gina kept the momentum going as its funky dance beat had most dancing in their seats. It also featured two females flashing the group in vain in the venue's 200 level." Didn't someone have sex in plain view at a Blue Jays game once?

If this didn't get their attention, I guess the rest of us fans have no chance.



Those Candaian women must be wild. When we used to go to the motorcycle races in Loudon, NH and then up to Weirs Beach for the craziness, it was always the chicks on the bikes with Quebec plates that did the wildest stuff. One time in the pouring rain a bunch of them sat on the back of the bikes backward lifting their tops up to whoever asked. The bikes were tough enough to handle on the slick rodes without that distraction too.

Hope everyone has a good time atthe rest of the shows!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 21:06:31 ET
Posted by: Scotty @ Work, Sydney

"If I could afford it , I would love to meet all of my fellow Steely Bothers and Sisters over in Maui for one of the last shows on this tour ."

Joey, sell your children if you have to. The bar has been set ridiculously high in NYC, but there are enough of us attending the Hawaii shows to make it something very special indeed.

Last two shows of the tour and one of them in Walter's backyard. More magic waiting to happen.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 20:32:26 ET
Posted by: Lonniethekingpin, Everywhere

Hello one and all ~

Now that I am back in the West after Roseland -- all I can say is that "NYC def'nately was set on fyyyrrre." I have seen many great Dan shows -- but these two (especially Saturday) was superfine and supercharged. New York crowd. 12 of 13 band members from NYC. So much dope in the air that Walter made a hilarious comment about it. I will NEVER forget the entirety of the experience. As Walter said -- this truly has to be the best Steely Dan concert(s) EVER!!!! First time in 8 years playing in the City. Small venue with almost everyone standing -- and loving it. No whiners saying "please sit down." If you missed these two spectacular shows -- you missed so very much. It was worth a 5,000 mile journey and all the $$ to go with it. No question about it. Thanks to Hoops for all of the effort and good company.

Two more shows to go and I cannot wait!! Will be very sad when the '03 tour ends.

Get out and LOVE the Dan -- while you still can. Bring some friends!

Lonnie

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 20:28:17 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Not your run of the mill behavior for ancient ones like ourselves crawling inexorably toward decrepitude. Magnificent and inspirational. Ya think they got the message that they were being truly nuzzled? I knew that you would. Rave on you sleek and sober aging teens "

Rajah ....................I just want to say one thing to you my Brother .................You got " Game " !!!!!!!

In fact , you " got game " every single friggin day !

If I could afford it , I would love to meet all of my fellow Steely Bothers and Sisters over in Maui for one of the last shows on this tour .

Think about it !!!!! We could Pre-Party at a nice little DanFest at the " Hula Grille " , drink Mai Tai's , Pina Colada's , Caribbean Coolers and / or Rummers and talk/discuss everything Danian -- Indeed , all of us would have their " game face " on for sure .........................not to mention their drinking shoes .

Joey !

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 19:36:02 ET
Posted by: Janie Runaway, Nap

This weekend was incredable, wait ignore incredable, there are no words to describe seeing STEELY DAN !!!!!!! Last weekend was amazing bacause of so many people! Danfiend and Mr.Sam I don't know how to thank you. It was amazing to meet so many warm-hearted people: Moonflower, South, Mo, Jason, Andy, Jeff, Malcom, Margarett, Utah, Aussie, Little Wild One My gratitude for making this weekend One for the books. Hoops thanks for Dandom
Best Manifest, Jude (Janie runaway)

P.S. I have the best recipe for "Hindu Zuchini Chocolate Chip Cookies" :)

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 18:53:18 ET
Posted by: Bratfille,

Just got back from Toronto.

It was my first Steely Dan show and it definitely lived up to the hype (although Toronto didn't).

To make it short and sweet...., It was pretty much the same setlist as posted before. I was in the 200 level at the MA, and IMHO they didn't settle into the "showstopper they were to become" until the third song (somewhere towards the end of Godwhacker). After that it just got better and better. Some of the songs which I had no expectations for such as Caves, Peg, Parker's Band and FM, all turned out to be stellar live!!!! Don't diss FM on this tour until you hear it.

You know, I disagree with what others have said here. There was nothing at all unappealing with Walter taking over the vocals on Haitian Divorce. Absolutely nothing was missing from it.

We also got a treat with not only Lunch With Gina, but in addition, EVERYTHING MUST GO !!!!!!! (a song to which we aptly tributed in pool of marguaritas as the REX closed down the Danfest)Thank you for a great show Don and Walt!

BTW if the "3 1/2 star" writer at the TO Sun thinks that "dancing" is "flashing" then I guess he took artistic licence when spinning his review. I was looking forward to a crowd with a pulse when I left the comfort of our conservative but polite demographic concert crowd in Ottawa, but instead witnessed first hand the cryogenic touch of "an older" population with sticks of cold hard steel permanently implanted up their ass. It seems the "anti-dancing" police were out in full force as our attempts to show fan appreciation turned into a new thigh exercise I call "standing ovation squats". What's up with that Toronto? Does it only hurt when you move? Enough!

After the show there was a very small group that turned out for the Danfest at the REX. We had a great time sharing stories with our new found friends from Ohio, Ottawa and Hamilton.

I'll leave the analysis of the band's performance to someone more worthy. For me they werean amass of talent never experienced live before. And also, about the little details....the stage visuals and video screens were a perfect compliment to the show..."perfection and grace" to a T.

The next time the Dan comes around I think I'll be looking for a new venue, south of the Border.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 18:40:23 ET
Posted by: Aussie, New York

Anyway, some other afterthought remnants:

Yes, Donald let out a James Brownian SHRIEK during the FM coda. This underscored the truth that the entire band fed off the ballroom energy, which was nuclear driven.

The "big sing-along" was NOT unique to FM or Hey Nineteen. It happened with all of the numbers on the set list.

I remember thinking to myself over and over as I spied on Walter Becker while he was playing of how much he reminded me of ex-hippie turned Harvard professor...he's got that look for sure.

To the stunning red head with the freckles standing beside us near the stage on Saturday night: never got your name, but I needed to apologise for that creepy fellow shouting the lyrics in your ear drum...a tad over the top was he.

Conversations held with members of the Steely Dan band 2003 incarnation are not celebrity whore driven. Rather, they are terrific opportunities to let them know on an invidual and personal basis that their professional efforts as the outstanding musicians that they are, are fully and whole heartedly appreciated. Nothing more, nothing less....its really that plain and simple.

To those posters whom I missed the chanse of meeting (like Green Earrings, for one): So sorry we missed each other. So much going on at the same time...perhaps we can connect again in the future.

To those who appreciated the Roseland colour raves: My pleasure.

The magnitude of both evenings was so, that I'm still digesting everything that went down.

Flirting with catching the Dan in Hawaii....it could happen.

Aus

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 18:09:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Joey - strange as it may seem, you and the Rajah are on the same page. Saturday sounded like it was amazing. Can't you just picture our Steely bretheren and sisteren(?) yelling out, "Agents of the law, luckless pedestrian" then later "I'm a bookeeper's son, I don't want to hurt no one." Must have freaked out the Donald as everyone was probably waiving their hands and swaying up toward him. Scary too cause most everybody is, shall we say, of a certain age? Not your run of the mill behavior for ancient ones like ourselves crawling inexorably toward decrepitude. Magnificent and inspirational. Ya think they got the message that they were being truly nuzzled? I knew that you would. Rave on you sleek and sober aging teens!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 17:30:11 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Faye baby - I had much the same experience years ago when my eldest daughter was about 16 or so and she wore a skimpy sundress to a Broadway show, I think it was Les Miz, and I had a really tough time keeping the dogs at bay at interval. You must be a very cool Mom and I nuzzle you for it. "


" Joey would concur. "

Damn Straight My Rajah .

Joey nuzzles anything Steely !

We should have been there at Roseland Saturday evening -------------Concur ?!?!?!?!?!

Developing ................................

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 15:51:54 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Moving on/out in H-ton

Well.....

I cannot even in good faith add the infamous "perhaps" qualifier to this statement: I have just returned from what has to have been the fucking GREATEST experience of my life!! INDEED!

Thank you to all the wonderful and zany NY-area Danfans who welcomed us so warmly and made the weekend feel like a family reunion. Thank you to Pete and Shari and everyone who made an appearance at LeBarBat...it is truly my "neighborhood bar" (regardless of the fact that I live 1,500 miles from it).

Hoops! I cannot thank you enough for being the conduit for this amazing kinship that we fondly call Dan Karma. If I were to complile the names of 10 persons who have most influenced my life, you would definitely be one of them and I am forever indebted to you.

To the Wreck-less crew: I love each of you endlessly and... you know, "It was You. You. It was you. Tonight (and every night), you're still on my mind...." XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO

Ed, Tricia, Geoff, Randall, Mo, Gretchen, Paul, Marsha, Deb, Angel, Bway Steve, the two uncommitted guys (Friday night), the two Brooklyn guys (Saturday night) and everyone else I was sooo lucky to share this with....thanks to you, and the afore-mentioned NY area contingent, these WERE the best Steely Dan concerts evah!!

Last, but far, far from least, a huge shout out to the 2003 band. There are not words to describe our sincere appreciation for your individual and collective talent! Your names, faces and musical abilities are etched in our minds and souls.

And so..swinging so hard we burned right through the summer....Dallas next, kiddies. I know it will never compare, but if I had my way, I'd conjure each of you there to do it again. If there's gas in the cahhrrrr, please come to Dallas!

Oh, yeah, one more thing: if you are ever at a SD concert and you get accosted by a petite brunette on her way through the crowd juggling countless beers, believe her when she says, "Designated beer bitch... coming through,...I have friends up front....clear a path." She really means Everyone Must Go!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 13:43:32 ET
Posted by: Joe M,

Roseland Saturday night 9/13/03...

As has been stated by others - unique to most Dan shows, it was the mind blowing audience participation that stood out here. It's no doubt what got Walter to rate this show as one of his favorites. Donald's reaction to the crowd's vocal on "Don't Take Me Alive" was amusing as hell. This was indeed one for the books.

The set list was the same as Friday night. EMG is an incredible live tune. It's breadth and scope now fully realized in the live setting. Aja, Godwhacker, Black Cow, Caves, Home At Last, Parkers Band, Lunch With Gina, Kid C, Don't Take Me Alive - all were absolutely flawless. Carlock's pyrotechnics on Josie were stunning. Herington's guitar solo on Haitian Divorce was utterly transcendent. Out of the myriad number of shows I've been lucky enough to witness this time out, this was indeed at or very near the top. (Oakdale being another consideration).

It was great seeing Pete, Shari, Hoops, Brian Sweet, Jon Herington, Keith Carlock, Ted Baker, Cynthia Calhoun, Tom Barney, Jim Pugh, Cornelius Bumpus, Bernard Purdie and a host of other Dan fans over at Le Bar Bat after the show. A Dan related experience for the ages, to be sure.

Tom McLoughlin (of Brew Against Nature fame) and I have been fans since 1972. After nearly 31 years of keeping the faith, it doesn't appear reasonable that we will ever fully comprehend a night like Saturday. Only the wildest of imaginations could have envisioned an event such as this. Special thanks to the amazing Mr. Pete Fogel for not only having that vision, but for actually pulling it off!

Keith Carlock is not only a fine drummer - he is an engaging and affable human being as well. His deference to drumming legend Bernard Purdie during a decidedly rigorous "Home At Last" from the Le Bar Bat stage was laudable. Thus demonstrating that the mentoring system is alive and well in the 21st century. Thankfully.

Cornelius' bluesy and lyrical tenor lines were on display all night as was the virtuoso 'bone experimentations of Jim Pugh. Our man Jon Herington also took a quick turn on telecaster for a lively "Knock On Wood". This was the house band for our little after Dan get together folks... Fucking pinch me!

We had a long chat regarding all things Dan with Brian Sweet as well (Thanks Jim). The former publisher of Metal Leg and author of the much talked about "Reeling In The Years" volume was in attendance with two other Brit's (both music columnists) who flew over just for the occasion. Nice folks all.

Unbelievable. Still buzzing...

PS - I'm currently working on a Tour 2003 utility for a new Rev. 3.10 CDSD due out some time in November. More sidemen bio's as well.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 13:12:54 ET
Posted by: ,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97296,00.html

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 12:32:50 ET
Posted by: More,

No reviews of any of the four NYC-area shows that I could find:

Leonharts' Wedding Announcement
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/14/fashion/weddings/14OBST.html

From Friday's Weekend Section, great observations on Becker:
STEELY DAN, Roseland Ballroom, 239 West 52nd Street, Manhattan, (212) 777-6800.

In 2000, Steely Dan released its first new songs in 20 years on "Two Against Nature" (Warner Brothers), and Donald Fagen and Walter Becker crammed them full of musical subterfuges. This year's album, "Everything Must Go" (Warner Brothers), is a little more easygoing, but it still twists together jazz and rock in its tales of stalking, bankruptcy, virtual reality, breakup and apocalypse. And the band that once hated touring has become quite proficient at it, especially now that Mr. Becker has accepted his inevitable role as Steely Dan's lead guitarist. Tonight and tomorrow night at 8; tickets are $75 to $125 (Pareles).

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 12:23:56 ET
Posted by: In the Spirit, of Big Fan

Review of Toronto Show:
http://www.canoe.ca/JamConcertsR2Z/steelydan_091403-sun.html

Florida Article:
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/music/article/0,1651,TCP_1163_2252200,00.html

Missippi Article on Carlock:
http://www.ddtonline.com/articles/2003/09/11/news/accent/accent1.txt

SPAC:
http://www.saratogian.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1169&dept_id=17776&newsid=10092297&PAG=461&rfi=9

Gaucho SACD (get it!)
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12737878

Nissan (perhaps already posted)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62305-2003Aug28.html

CT Article:
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/news/stories/20030827/localnews/136108.html

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 12:15:27 ET
Posted by: Bird Lives, Toronto

Some quick items post concert.......We did in fact have the first Steely Dan Can Fest....watch for a picture from Fiona!

This was my third time seeing them....each time at The Molson Amphitheatre....I hate the venue, excpet for the fact it is fodder for Don and Walt to "personalize" the conversations..in answer to Donald...no you don't smokle the Molson's..so that sweet smell must have been something else!!!glad you noticed!...and to Donald...no there is no worm at the bottom of a bottle of Molsons....must be something from the mice! Next show I suggest Massey Hall, with the spirit of Bird and Dizzy to inspire Steely Dan!

Mazel Tov to Michael Leonhart!!...We missed you having had the pleasure of seeing you in 2000. Dave Ballou was a worthy replacement and he just fit in with that kick ass horn section!

Which brings me to Jim Pugh....there are no words for how he makes that Trombone sing!

Parkers Band live...and done with "Perfection and Grace" the song that set me off to explore theworld of Jazz all those years ago,when Pretzel Logic came out..I will always be grateful to Donald And Walter, who I have never met, for setting me on that musical course that is so much a part of me.

More later..work beckons

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 11:54:16 ET
Posted by: Sandy The Other Wife, Between the raindrops in NJ

The joys of being UP FRONT at Roseland:
The acappella trio from Jones Beach, joined by some new sidekicks as we warmed up our voices, to shout, and bite and wrangle through the night...we go crazy!

Couldn't have been happier, if I was twins!!! Found myself about 10 feet away from Mr. Fagen, stage right, just in front of the lovely ladies singing backup. Ms. Leonhart was attending her brother Michael's wedding, but the stand-ins for both, did remarkably well filling in those shoes.

Thought it might have just been my imagination about how special Saturday's performance was...til the ever low key, Walter Becker said that he thought this was his favorite Steely Dan concert EVER!

The downside of being UP FRONT at Roseland:
Trying to make it to the ladies room and back during set break... it helps if you have several husbands....inside joke.

Then we all strolled up the avenue, past Radio City and headed to the post show celebrations at Le Bar Bat. The mighty mighty, Mr. Cornelius Bumpus was the first to show, followed by Mr. Jim Pugh and then Mr. Jon Herrington (although he was too hungry to hit the stage immediately). Just as I was leaving, around 2am, passed one of the lovely backup singers, she from the Orlando area, so I leave it to the rest of the Jones Beach crew to tell us if either of the Major Dudes showed.

Oh, what a night!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 11:52:17 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

Damn the blackout. I couldn't make the Toronto rain date (had a big gig myself), and will now miss the '03 tour altogether. My 11th row seats went back to TicketMaster...

P.S. There is no such category as "better than Gadd".

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 11:33:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Roselanders - Was the big sing-a-long just on Hey 19 or other songs as well? And what about Donald doing a James Brown at the coda of FM? And what happens with Gina, who trades fours in the middle, Don and Walter or do the horns square off?

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 11:05:54 ET
Posted by: another Roselander,

Rich-- and how about that scream Donald let out at the very end of FM?? I have never heard him do anything like that before. It was like a James Brown scream from "I Feel Good" !

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 10:57:18 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, still dazed in NYC

Gretchen: remembering the Peabody comment - wasn't a big Rocky & Bullwinkle junkie, so thanks for clearing up that reference :)

angel: actually I had noticed the Coke can going up on Don's piano before each set. The fact that it was placed there at just before 8 was the first solid indication that Sat's show was going to start so promptly (before my watch hit 8:05). I thought wow, by 8:20 or so (when Friday's show started), that's going to be lukewarm!

Aus: I didn't make the 2nd night party at Le Bar Bat - sounds like that was a mistake! :( I was just beat. Oh well.

Jesse: I didn't think the girls were overly synchronized. Sometimes they were, but what else do they have to do, really? Makes it more fun for them. But ymmv.

bearZ: I have always thought that Kid Charlemagne is about the legendary acid maker/seller Owsley Stanley, most often associated with the Grateful Dead and the SF Haight-Ashbury scene. I think someone put that idea in my head when I was a teen. Works for me!

Rich: I remember him saying it like so: "I feel more like I do now than I did when I first got here." or something deliciously enigmatic like that.

CeeTee

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 09:56:51 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

i'm a drummer - had to weigh in on gadd vs. carlock- glad to hear roseland was a gas-...i'll tell u that oakdale was no slouch of a show either, i got to see em' twice and am very content w/ that -
Gadd- ex drug addict
Carlock- sober
Gadd- old
Carlock-young
Gadd-methodical
Carlock-deliberate
Gadd-by the book&technical
Carlock-by the book&emotional

its like the apples oranges..they are both extrodinary- but really there is no comparison- what movie is better "adaptation" or "crimes and misdemeanors" its completely subjective - to me a great drummer is felt and not seen - drums are the anchor..the foundation...Carlock plays wayyyyy behind the beat- put a metronome to him and live you would see that he is not a tempo player but a feel player- HE is the reason that the band sounds as good as it does- the other members KNOW, beyond the shadow of a doubt that he and barney allow them to be great, with no worries about the bottom falling out- so whoever said carlock is no gadd or gadd is no carlock, is pretty much right

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 09:37:21 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA

DACW: In reference to your post ("Latest iteration of a long-term project on ciphering the credits to PL, KL, and RS. Still have a few queries, and welcome comments suggestions on any part..."), I did receive word firsthand from Larry Carlton concerning his work on 'Katy Lied' (1975); he told me he ONLY PLAYED RHYTHM GUITAR ON ONE TRACK (song), but couldn't recall which one considering it was so long ago. He told me to send him a MP3 of the song I thought he was on ("Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More"), but due to his schedule, he was unable to get back to me (according to a source in the Carlton camp).

Various sources (including Brian Sweet) have indicated that the song in question IS "Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More," as the rhythm style is very much in line with Carlton's playing. Carlton was utilized much more extensively on the "Royal Scam" sessions partially because he was a late addition to 'Katy Lied' (which explains why he is only on one song), having just been introduced to Becker and Fagen as those sessions were ending (though not one for speculation, in all likelyhood he was introduced to them through one of his fellow Crusader cohorts who also later played on various Dan recordings).

Just trying to offer a little clarification once again-

Randy / NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 09:12:29 ET
Posted by: Drummer Boy,

Jessie.....You're right. "Keith Carlock is no Steve Gadd" .....He's better!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 09:02:57 ET
Posted by: Rich Gobel,

From one who has seen the mighty Dan many times over the past 10 years, all I can say is, the Saturday night Roseland show was the greatest of all! The crowd's energy was so amazingly hot that DF and WB never stopped smiling the whole night, and I do believe it inspired them to play and sing like never before. I have never heard such noise from a place, from beginning to end of a show, simply phenomenal. We all felt like we were part of something special.

When WB first came out on stage he had a big grin on his face from the reaction, and later in the first set he said, "I already feel better than I did when I first came out here, so that should tell you something." (Although that might have also been from the wonderfully odiferous "fucking Hindu cushion" smoke cloud that he later made reference to...) When he began the band intros with "Hello, my fellow New Yorkers!" I thought the roof was going to blow off the joint. You could just tell it was sincere love and appreciation.

Many priceless moments, already mentioned by others here, such as DF getting overwhelmed by the crowd's singing every word and just laughing and letting us do it for him a couple of times... I bet he was glad to give his voice a break, he sounded fantastic though! You had to be there (and close!) to appreciate seeing his eyes glaring at the crowd through those tinted glasses, just before saying "This is getting scary!" Later during the encores, he said "This is the kind of crowd you can only get when you're playing in your hometown."

When they came back for the first encore, WB summed it up: "Thanks to YOU, this has been one of my favorite Steely Dan concerts ever!" Amen, brother. Me too. As someone else remarked here, one for the ages. Thank you Don and Walt, if I die tomorrow I will die a happy man.

[Set list was mostly the same as many previous shows, and 2nd set included BOTH Janie Runaway and EMG, so it went (something?) like this: The Steely Dan Show, Janie Runaway, Heyy Nineteen, Haitian Divorce, Lunch With Gina, Everything Must Go, Parker's Band, Kid Charlemagne, and Don't Take Me Alive.]

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 07:13:30 ET
Posted by: bearZ, atherton tablelands Oz

Bloody dear god the dingo made a bloody mess of it all. I would like to kill that bugger. Not only did he drag my fast born over to New Zealand and back and she is a hefty 21 year old but he got my wife from the waste down. What good is she now? I guess she could still cook if I got her a proper wheel chair. I told her to sleep out on the porch because she had her bloody time of the month again and I guess the dingo must have sniffed out her cousins visit. That bloody basturd.

bearz

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 06:27:31 ET
Posted by: Beers, deprived & depraved in the UK

For those confined to europe this year Take solace in the fact that fine fine renditions of all the old faves can be sourced locally ... www.thedancollective.co.uk I took a ride to Robin Hood country last sat nite and robbed the rich sounds eminating from these guys... Dbeefy Next Time ???

Le cheval qui couris – Nottingham Sept 13th 2003

You guys were Sh*t ………. Sh*t-Hot!! - As usual … So Outrageous !! And I’ll tell you so…

“Josie” – Is now THE number of the “Beest” I swear that solo is expanding man !

“Night by Night” so tight , “Don’t Take me Alive” with drive … A man of my mind can do anything.

I will never tire of “Pretzel Logic” Dan Collective stylee. You can play that one @ my funeral – As I set off to meet Napoleon, in my new shooooooooooes …

Loved the venue – compact and bijou, authentic, grotty & chic all at once !!

Apparently Barry (The Boss) expected a “normal” Dan audience to be Naked & Stoned? , sounds like a good title for the next CD - But I don’t get my kit off on a first date Bazza – Maybe in January if you promise to respec’ me in the morning LOL …

Great to greet the travellers from near & far Debs, Steve & Lorraine , Steve J et al …

I hear (above the mechanised hum) there WERE other bands on in Notts, but… You were the BEST in town…

And so to Friday Nov 7th … Merengue @ The Museum anyone ?

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 06:19:10 ET
Posted by: bearZ, Oz

Thanks Scotty but just wondering what you think it is about?

Gotta go a dingo just ran off with my first born.

Cheers,

bear

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 05:38:38 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, waiting all night for calls like these

Just adding my bit from the UK to thank all Roseland posters, the closest we can get to being there is to share in the news from others who really care.

(here's hoping, as always, for some European dates next year)

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 04:49:13 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

G'day BearZ,

Take a Captain Cook at Oleander's Fever Dreams site for interpretations on Kid C and any other SD song you care to mention.

http://www.feverdreams.net

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 04:39:58 ET
Posted by: bearZ, queensland Oz

I have often wondered what is the song Charlemagne really about?

I like the music but can't understand the lyrics?

I am a big dan fan but have been on tour all summer with The Other Ones selling trinkets I make in the out back of Oz so missed all the SD concerts so far.

If anyone has any insight about the above mentioned song I would love to hear it.

Well long live SD! Is it true WB has some forms of dyslexia or is that only a rumor?

SD is one of my favorite bands after The Dead, Phish and Rat Dog. I do miss Jerry and think about him every day.

Cheers,

Bear

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 04:29:22 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

South,

Be strong brother. Hawaii is only a few weeks away.

Thank you to all who put up "The Roseland Posts". For those of us not fortunate enough to be there, you sure gave us that goosebump feeling that comes with the mere mention of anything Dan related.

It was nice to get a taste of what it must have been like.

Are there any other people on this earth as cool as the greater Dandom ?

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 04:24:38 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, Australia

SouthOfHollywood

Sounds like a good time was had by all Cobber !

I can assure you we were thinking of you guys and I was seriously thinking about hopping on a plane but I would have needed a Concorde to get me there in time.

Looks like we’ll just have to wait for Hawaii !

BRING IT ON !!!

Alan

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 02:27:44 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Home At Last, Sadly

Roseland...The only word I can come up with to describe what it is that I am STILL feeling is...MAGIC...Just got back to the west coast after what was perhaps the most incredible weekend of my life and I cannot stop the flow of memories that have taken over my head...Many of the previous posts are finely written and give great detail of the flavor of the shows...I'd like to comment on the people I was lucky enough to share the last 3 days with...Pete and Shari, what can I say?...You are the King and Queen of the Dan Prom and stopped at nothing to provide us with memories that will never fade...Thank you both!...Hoops, the proud papa of this place we call Dandom, you should be walking around with your chest puffed way out pal...Thanks for making all of this possible for so many...The Wreckless Crew (-2 from AU)...Little Wild One, Danfiend, Mr. Sam you guys and gals are the best, bar none...To our NEW member of Wreckless, Jude from Indianapolis (Our Janie Runaway!) who took the train solo from Indiana to see the Roseland gigs, well you sure stumbled into the right party, didn't you?!...Ed Beatty?...Wouldn't have been the same without you...Now get that Hawaii trip figured out, will you?...Cathy, Gretchen, Lady B, Angel and Moonflower, you added that little touch of class that this group sometimes needs!...Broadway Steve, CaraMia, Mo, Pixel, Q, Hat2Flat, Randall, Jason, Brian Sweet and Andy Metzgar it was great to finally meet all of you!...Aussie, Utah and Malcolm-awesome time again, my new friends!...And finally to my kid sister Tricia...We knew it would all somehow come to this, didn't we?...Still can't believe it was as good as it was and I didn't want it to end...Going into depressed mode now...ROSELAND 2003

PS...Last one out of the cab gets Malcolm!

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 01:12:13 ET
Posted by: Jesse, Toronto

What an amazing night I just had, despite the fact that my throat is in excruciating pain. I have strep throat, and while it wasn't enough to keep me from the show, I decided to skip the Steely Dan Can Fest. I'm quite disappointed as I a) wanted to see that band and b) wanted to meet all of the other Steely Dan fans. However, I really need to sleep. Anyway, on to the show. Steely Dan are studio marvels, so it must be very difficult to recreate the tunes on stage, but they did their best and came pretty close. However, "Aja", while it was incredible just to see it live, I thought was lacking simply because Walt Weiskopf is no Wayne Shorter (or even Chris Potter), and Keith Carlock is no Steve Gadd. Jon Herrington is a motherfucker! His solo on "Peg" gave Jay Graydon a run for his money. The new tunes were great. I remember discussing on this forum a few months ago the fact that I would be dancing during the up tunes, but since everyone else was sitting, I was happy to dance in my seat. I enjoyed that even though the crowd was sitting, they still had a great energy. Also, after pretty much every tune, the band got a standing ovation, which I thought was nice. Also, everyone was up during the encores. I found it very corny that the backup singers were constantly doing these syncronized dance moves (does anyone really want to see dancing during "Aja"?). However, they were all extremely beautiful and fun to look at. I just loved the show. I sincerely hope I get to see them again. Anyone that goes to the Rex tonight, I would love a report on both the music and the Danfest. Thanks.

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 00:37:28 ET
Posted by: Mo, still recovering from Roseland

Toronto Dan Fan,

Michael Leonhart wasn't there because he got married last night (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/14/fashion/weddings/14OBST.html).

Carolyn was at Roseland Friday night, but not last night - I would assume she was back tonight?

~Mo

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Date: Mon, September 15, 2003, 00:17:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Toronto Dan - was Carolyn back tonight?

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 23:47:22 ET
Posted by: Toronto Dan Fan, Toronto

Brilliant tonight ! I am leaving now for the DanFanCan(adian) fest on Queen Street. No surprises in the setlist, but was surprised at the energy (re: the last two nights in NYC).... the band was hot! Donald referenced that "we didn't think this concert would ever happen..." Where was M Leonhart? fairly crappy crowd (like the one at the Borgata-at least to a guy who made a 9 hour from Toronto..) but Don and Walt seemed to be digging it....

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 22:42:36 ET
Posted by: Oh yeah..., ...one more thing

That was great when the Hudson River Rats started to play Home at Last. Keith Carlock literally bolted from the back of the room to the front of the balcony to watch Purdie recreate his famous shuffle from the Aja record. Carlock was studying Purdie's every move. It was nice to watch.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 21:28:35 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Ah, the Dan afterglow...sustains us until we get to see them again. The Roseland reports just rejuvenated mine. You know you've seen a good show when you're still feeling it's high days and days later.

WuDuF-Breathing in Bethel? Breathing what? More like inhaling my friend.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 20:48:41 ET
Posted by: Mo, speechless (literally!)

Greetings!

Last night I said I was losing my voice and sure enough, when I woke up this morning it was gone.

What an amazing weekend! I had SO MUCH FUN! And I have many of you to thank for that! I so enjoyed meeting and partying with you all (too many names to mention here), and only wish that I had the time, means and money to hook up with you again at other shows. There's no better way to see the Dan than with people like you who love them as much as I do!!! I hope all of you "out-of-towners" made it home OK.

Thanks for helping me make this weekend one I'll never forget!!

~Mo

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 20:40:53 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, breathing in Bethel

Thanks for the reviews folks! We were there right with you in spirit!Hey Gretchen-hope your scarf got to D.F. We were in the chat room Friday night commenting on someone's post that you were "all over" Donald! Maybe in another life, right? Glad you all had a good time. I think the passion that Steely Dan is seeing from us all will help them in their decision to keep on...Let's all keep in touch, now that the east coast tour is over.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 19:49:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Awesome Aussie, awesome.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 19:23:37 ET
Posted by: Aussie, New York

Roseland/Le Bar Bat Part Two (a severely truncated account): Saturday night's Evening With Steely Dan was singularly spectacular. The second time around we decided to park ourselves right in front of the stage directly below Mr. Donald Fagen and his trusty Angel Babe Choir. Blocked from our line of sight were Mr. Keith Carlock and Mr. Tom Barney. We were standing with Hoops, DanFiend, Ed Beatty, Little Wild One, LadyBaySide, Jeff, Hat2Flat and the rest of our Dan friends who made this weekend incredibly memorable.
The crowd seemed even larger than the previous night and there was palpable electricity flowing throughout the Ballroom. The odour of marihuana, even more pronounced than the previous evening, so much so that at one point Mr. Walter becker commented that the Ballroom smelled like a Hindu pot house or something to that effect.

We managed to befriend a charming Japanese lady who traveled all the way from the Land of the Rising Sun just to see Steely Dan...she barely spoke English so Utah and I decided to adopt her as chaperones for the balance of the evening. She stood and danced beside us the entire length of the show.

The set list showed no variance except for the way the band performed: They managed to sound even better than Friday night! Hands down , the best I've seen them ever.

During Hey Nineteen, the crowd wa singing in perfect unison so loudly that Mr. Fagen actually stopped singing and laughed as if to say, geez guys, you really don't need me here when you have the rest of the band and have been all singing at the tops of your lungs......great moment.

The synergy between the babe Choir and our group directly in front of them was not to be believed. Plenty of eye contact, acknowledgement, waves, winks, and exchange of pleasantries throughout the gig. Ms. Tawatha Agee was the stand in for Ms. Carolyn Leonhart that evening.....she did a splendid job too. Ed Beatty and Hat2Flat were equally notorious flirters with the choir...too funny.

During the band intros, Mr. Becker really lays it all out and lets everybody know that this was his best concert ever....

During a lull in between numbers, the crowd starts hootin' and hollerin', some yelling "Pixeleen!" and others hurling cries of appreciation and love....Mr. Fagen comments here: "This is getting Scary!"

Amazing show.

Pete and Sharri host Le Bar Bat after show festivities featuring The Hudson River Rats with Bernard "purty" Purdie, Jim Pugh and Cornelius Bumpus. Spoke with Mr. Purdie at length and snapped a few shots of this amazing drummer....so friendly and jovial. Would not give up his drum sticks after the show after yours truly groveled for them. Many great numbers performed, including Steely Dan classics. Crowd dancing and grooving all night long. Mr. John Herrington, Ms. Cynthia Calhoun, Mr. Ted Baker, Mr. Tom Barney, Ms. Cindy Mizelle were also there and very available to all attendees there for pictures, conversation, company...etc.

Awesome party. Kudos Pete Fogel and Sharri. Truly a weekend so unforgetable....one for the ages.

Aus

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 18:33:23 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

DACW- Thanks for a vivid description. Sorry to hear about Griffin and Grolnick's passing. Along with Feldman, that's a lot of lost talent!

BTW, I deliberately did not declare SIS's piano as "best" because of Glamour Profession. Very different, but really my personal fave along with the ensuing bridge (and how the two mesh so well).

-Pete

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 15:42:42 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Angel - thanks so much for the great review, good storytelling. That's just the kind of color we need. For those of us who couldn't be there, it's the next best thing. A tip of the tuban from the Rajah.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 14:49:05 ET
Posted by: angel,

Gretchen: Was that your Aja wrap that Danfiend gave to Cynthia? If it was, then yes, it got to its intended.

Wow, what a night it was on Friday. I wrote up most of the review that follows, at 4AM on Saturday morning, sitting in the International Arrivals building at JFK airport and listening YGK's Core CD. Since I flew back on Saturday, with almost no sleep, my review is not all I would want it to be, but by doing it on my website, I can edit it later and add some pictures. So my apologies that you have to copy this link, to see it.
I also apologize for the pop up and ads on the sight. Sometimes free is a pain. Hope you enjoy the review.

http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/angel8.html

To all I met for the first time, thanks for making my journey unforgettable.

Anyone else, besides the bunch under the Fender Rhodes on Friday, notice that Donald does indeed have a coke can available to drink? We got a good laugh out of it, remembering the auction of a coke can on Ebay back in 2000. I noticed that it seemed to disappear during the drum solo on Josie. I guess they take no chances anymore. ;-)

Back to the real world tomorrow, to pay for my indulgences.

Danfesters, enjoy Toronto. You people deserve a great show and hopefully, that is what you will get tonight.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 14:01:06 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, fending off post Dan depression

What an experience! Friday night was truly something I will never forget. Being a foot away from the Roseland stage seeing SD live (3rd time this tour) was so amazing I feel like it was more of a dream sequence. Loved meeting all of you at the Novotel- Hoops, Shari, Danfiend, Peter Q, Andy, Aussie, Jason, Mr. Sam, Little Wild One and everyone else-it's unbelievable to be in a crowd that shares my passion for the Dan! General admission was a little daunting, however it all paid off in the end for being up close and personal, resting my elbows on the stage. Awesome show, although I think I was so mesmerized by Don that I could hardly speak or move for the majority of the evening! Aja was magnificent, as usual, and the rest of the show was even more exquisite than Mohegan and Oakdale. I just can't even describe how ethereal it was. Don made a comment I hadn't heard before, about going back to the 70's "like Mr. Peabody." I had to laugh, remember Sherman and Peabody and the way back machine from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show? Also, Don changed into the white shirt for the second set-I was in ecstasy! I think I was so emmotional throughout the whole evening I couldn't have made the show Saturday even if I were able to. Many thanks to D and W and the rest of the band for a great New York night.
Does anyone know what became of my wrap? I can't help but wonder if the intended recipient ever got it. Was there anyone at last night's show who can fill me in? Danfiend? Mr. Sam? Hoops?

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 13:23:54 ET
Posted by: DACW,

Pivotal Pete: Isn't it amazing. Beautifully recorded - the mic was placed just right...the harmonics are there and the slightest echo without distortion - very GRAND piano sound. I personally think it sounds a bit like Grolnick's solo on Glamour Profession (another personal fav), but I did see an article last year that mentioned Griffin. Unhappily both Paul Griffin and Don Grolnick have passed. I have not seen 2 or more independent sources or a quote directly from Donald or Walter or Roger Nichols may be the only three people who know the truth.


Yeah, Dan's my choice - I won't need beverage or Ganga on the 21st...just my senses honed to a Razor's Edge.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 12:38:18 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CT

No need for post-Dan depression. Remember all the years we loved them and they NEVER toured? Just keep listening, loving the music, and with any good luck they will be back in a year or two. If the Rolling Stones can do it at their age, and with all the mileage they've put on themselves, then I have total faith that W.B. and D.F. will keep slanging us for years to come! Anyone interested in playing "Beau Bolero trivia" should check out the chat room at 10:00 p.m. tonight!

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 12:26:45 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Left coast, left out...
I can only hope that after hearing of the great venue and vibes at Roseland that the 10/4 gig at the expansive Chronicle Pavilion is not a let down. BUT it's great to hear of the superb time you all had and thanks for sharing!

On Victor Feldman: I'd love to hear I Got the News live, but doubt anyone could re-create the incredible funky random inspired piano licks of the late Mr. Feldman. The song would not be the same. Have they ever tried it? ...

Piano credits: DACW, someone needs to find out who did the Sign in Stranger solo parts ("Don Grolnick or Paul Griffin????"). Can't think of a better piano solo in the SD discography...

You can have your hooch, but SD music is my drug of choice!

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 11:53:31 ET
Posted by: Laina, bleary-eyed

Peter, bebe, you're killin' it. Now that we know you're Meali, the magic is gone...just gone. Let it go.

weeping silently,

Lainalove

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 10:24:49 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Wilton Felder had a an album in the late 80s or early 90s that was smoking hot, I lost it at an illegal rooster fight in a Bodega and have never been able to find it anywhere since. The first song was called "Four O'clock." Anyone remeber the name of it?

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 09:54:55 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore,

PQ: Wilton Felder played both sax and bass on the Crusaders' recordings:

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Bureau/2058/crusaders/wilton_felder.html

To my knowledge, he did not play sax on any Steely Dan recording, but did play bass on selected tracks for the Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied sessions.

CT: I hear it too, although it's not credited on Decade...will make that correction - assume that HAS to be Skunk...

Yes, Donald learned to work the saxophone and plays on East St. Louis Toodle-oo and Everyone's Gone to the Movies.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 08:55:33 ET
Posted by: Bird Lives, Toronto (Today's Steely Dan Centre of the Universe)

Glad to hear that the show last night was so HOT!!! No doubt in preparation for tonights only international date in Toronto. I am sure that they will play their asses off, in celebartion of the inaugural SteelyDanCanFest...Lady Bayside (and any of you)..no need for that depression...get your ass up here to Toronto.

Is Michael L hooking back up woth the tour? What about Caroline?

Are the Aussies coming north?

So many questions...All of the answers tonight!

Watch for reports in the next day or 2!

INAUGURAL SteelyDanCanFest - SEPTEMBER 14th 2003
After the show we will celebrate and revel in the energy and rhythms of the show at The Rex Hotel & Jazz Blues Bar...194 Queen St. W. Toronto, Ontario .Tom Tytle manages The Rex, and is a big Steely Dan fan himself and plans to be at the show. Tom tells me that the music should go until 1:00 AM. The kitchen is open until midnight so food and suds will be plentiful. As we get closer I will let you all know what the cover at the door is .

The featured band that night will be Endangered Species, and the Steely Dan link is that they will be performing a Wayne Shorter Tribute (the band name is taken from one of his tunes). With a little prodding, perhaps the band can be coaxed to do a cover of Deacon Blues.

Wayne Shorter Tribute...Endangered Species....Kelly Jefferson - Saxophones,
Adrian Farugia - Piano & Rhodes Keyboard, Mark Rogers - Bass, Martine
Auguste - Drums , Mike Murley - Saxophone http://www.mikemurley.com

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 06:05:21 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

To my knowledge the courageous macho Shaun did not attend. I was hardly hard to find out on the balcony among all the Prime Ministers of Dandom, or in the show in the first "row" on Fagen's side. Perhaps he was going to reboot his laptop, which by now should be a heap of scrambled wires and plastic.

An invitation to all to join in the fun @ pub7.ezboard.com/bmealreviewerworld

Crack Whore - on all The Crusaders albums I have Wilton Felder plays tenor saxophone, I had no idea he was a bassist.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 05:57:20 ET
Posted by: ROSELAND, Sat 9/13

That was the best fucking show I have EVER seen!!!

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 03:32:58 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

Thanks, Hoops, glad you liked it! And I bow down in thanks for this site... :P

Speaking of sites, here's the one of our mystery trumpet guest. Walter mentioned that Michael L was getting married, and promptly suggested that they were going to fire him because they like Dave Ballou so much. Asked Dave if he was married. Me thinkest he jest, but the guy was good... http://www.daveballou.com/ is the address for more on this cat. Ms C Leonhardt's replacement was a name I did not catch. :-( Interesting to note that she DID sing the 'backup lead' to Walter's lead vocal on Haitian Divorce. Rajah, she was none of those you mentioned. She did her homework, it was clear, but her eyes flashed over to the music stand fairly often.

Monsieur Walterrr Beckehrrr, as DF called him, actually quoth near the end of the show - I'm trying to get it right: "This has to be the BEST, or if not the best, one of the best, Steely Dan concerts EVER." And he was right - who the hell am I to argue? It was MY best. But he's been to more than me. :P Anyhoo, the crowd was HOT!! They were on fiyah! Spontaneous applause rippling over the audience during EMG. I think they especially liked that. Donald was so flustered, he forgot what was next, and actually said "oh yeah!" and skipped the normal few words of banter before for Parker's Band. And like everyone around me knew the effing words! That was so hot! Mr Tom Barney was shaking those dreads on several tunes, he was dug in sooo deep into dah groove. And the Magnificent Carlock's solo on Josie - I dunno how he could top last night, but he did, and the crowd just lapped it up. Superlative! Walt also told us that it "smelled like a damn Hindu" sumpin-er-other.... I smelled quite a bit o' tasty zotic stuf wafting aboot meself, I'd say. Donald actually stopped singing on like the first verse of DTMA, and laughed, and let us take the rest of the line, AND the one after.... mad-dog surrender...How can I answer? A man of my mind can do anything.... (I think that was the spot). Oh AND there was a special treat -- a sit-in on FM - none other than Warren Bernhardt. A distinguished older gentleman now with brilliant silver white hair, he started the tune with the signature oscillating piano couplet, and nailed a nice solo.

To recap the early part of the evening, I showed up a bit later tonight, sadly, family obligations shattered any Novotel hopes and I ended up on line at 7 pm. Chose to settle in on the right side this time, so I got the Donald and the ladies as my main vista, along with the Tedster, of course. Sadly, I was again frustrated in my quest to see Carlock's face while he was playing. I could barely see TB's face over his music stand and the Rhodes. Anyway, I was looking forward to checking out the girls more closely, as there was a lot of talk here about their various maneuvers. Boy, Cynthia Calhoun... she is something! Just so into the music, playing air guitar, air everything... and communicating with the audience almost constantly. I swear she pointed at me several times - ah, the magic of theatre. I'm equally sure she didn't, hehe. I have to say, the sequence of Black Cow and Babylon Sisters is their shining moment... on the "..and get outta here" we were doing the thumb ejection move with them - it was soo fun. And the "shake-it's" on BabySis -- each one the reaction from the crowd was more boisterous - Donald and Ted were laughing.

There was a lot of joy shared in that room tonight, and the magnificent ones, the only ones, they came through in style for us in NYC. Thanks, Don & Walt.

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 03:04:55 ET
Posted by: Laina, not driving

Hey!! I'm watching SNL right now, the episode with Jennifer Garner as host and Beck as musical guest; and there was a Steely Dan mention! The skit involved Jimmy Fallon as Osama bin Laden (yeah) and Horatio Sanz as Saddam Hussein. Saddam was talking about the number of tapes that Osama puts out, and it follows...

Saddam: You put out more records than Steely Dan!!
Osama: Ehh, you're gonna go w/ Steely Dan on that one?
Saddam: Yeah.
Osama: Why? I don't get it?
Saddam: Eh, forget it, they put out a lot of records.

(different scene with Osama and some aide)

Osama: How many records did Steely Dan put out?
Aide: Ehh, well...[trying to recall] Best of...? Twelve. Why?
Osama: Forget it.

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This was really random but I thought it merited mention.

Lainalove

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Date: Sun, September 14, 2003, 02:22:30 ET
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NYC

Woof. What a night. No way I can top Aussie's multiparagraph epic of last night. All I can say is that tonight's show was phenomenal (even Jon Herrington voiced that he thought tonight's show was even better than last night), and that my fellow Danfans are the best ever.

Le Bar Bat's after parties are the perfect cap to a Dan show, and I was lucky to see many folks that I had not seen since the Hall Of Fame festivities in 2000. Hat2Flat and CaraMia, especially, it was lovely to spend time with you both.

More will come. Aus was still at LBB when I finally left, so if he posts it will not be for another couple of hours.

The post-Dan depression starts tomorrow.

LadyB

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 23:51:24 ET
Posted by: Zim, Lounging in Litchfield

Hey WuDuF-Thanks for the Chinese tonight, should of thought to take some home for when the munchies hit. Maybe right about now perhaps? Beau Bolero trivia was fun!

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 23:01:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Faye baby - I had much the same experience years ago when my eldest daughter was about 16 or so and she wore a skimpy sundress to a Broadway show, I think it was Les Miz, and I had a really tough time keeping the dogs at bay at interval. You must be a very cool Mom and I nuzzle you for it.


Joey would concur.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 22:51:45 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

I strongly encourage silk stalkings...

Trojan Table? Do they have Walter or Donald's face on them? or at least the painting on the cover of the Gaucho album?


I imagine we'll have a six-shooter table in Texas...I mean, we're a family state...

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 22:35:35 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Well, in that case, we'd have one song we wouldn't have to agonize over for meaning! I just want to assure you that I am sure that in most of these cases, guys came over because most people are just surprised to see a young'un at a Danfest. Also, right after we got rid of the "Free Steely Dan" visor people, we saw the Trojan table...and I grabbed Danie and jokingly yelled at her for even approaching it. So peole in the vicinity were laughing and I guess that attracted attention...with a very slight sexual overtone.
However...Don and Walt, please FEEL FREE to write a song about us!And be assured that I will provide any and all research materials that you might need! Penny

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 22:01:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Faye - truly not intending to be prurient or offensive here in any way to you or your baby, but your last paragraph has all he makings of the next Janie/Pixeleen song, and, of course, and please take this in the spirit in which it is offered: Josie. Josie(that's you) and Janie/Pixie(Danie) out on the town at the SD show. The mind boggles, I'm reelin' in the sheaves. BTW, you know I think Josie is the most honest and functional woman in all of SD to date?

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 21:50:55 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, lounging in Litchfield

We're here, and not there, but it's o.k. DianeDianeDIANE we are at it again, only together and not over cyberspace this time. Looking forward to hearing all about IT.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 21:44:06 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Raj - Danie was wearing a glittery blue jacket; I had on a black silk jacket over my "SD meet Andy Warhol" T-shirt. We stopped in to the Novotel and chatted with Pete, Jason, Aussie, and Utah...then went on to the balcony. As she's underage, afterward we just walked to my sister's apartment uptown...stopping to exchange banter with fans along the way. I love this city!
BTW, did that scary Shaun person show up?
And also: I remember reading a long time ago that Denny Dias was the one who said "Only a fool would say that" en Espanol. Penny

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 21:36:53 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Faye I forgot - what were the both of you wearing...

Peter - So what happened with our friend Shaun? Did you guys have a Steely standoff? Did you bludgeon him with your prohibitive analytical powers regarding the Danosphere? I certainly hope you were civil toward each other. I'd been skipping Glamour Profession lately...what a mistake.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 21:03:13 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Faye - no doubt the young men in attendance took you guys for sisters.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 20:59:31 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Rajah - my daughter really enjoyed the show. I am being somewhat restrained in this description because I'm not sure she LOVED the Dan. She was groovin' to the music, and she agreed that the lighting and film pieces were incredibly artistic..is gonna describe 'em for a school assignment. She did comment: "They are TOTALLY a jam band!" Ah, today's crazy youth. The scariest thing that happened all night was that apparently, when we are out together, Daniele and I become MEN MAGNETS. Duos of men approach us and begin to make idiotic conversation. It must be our incredible volumptuosity. Pretty funny! Penny
P.S. Aussie pretty much said it all! BTW, I found out that the capacity of the place is 2800.
"52nd Street's the junction!" Jealous of all those who are there tonight...I asked Daniele if she was into going to Hawaii!

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 20:27:10 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Dave Belew played trumpet. I notice Barney slaps alot, especially on Godwhacker and Peg.

A plug for my buddy Broadway Steve, if you haven't heard his solo covers of SD tunes, you gotta buy his CD. Awesome and original!!

The coolest cat on the stage is the gent who caddies for the girls, Baker, Barney and Donald.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 18:11:56 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I believe it's Skunk Baxter saying, "solamente un tonto dire esso" or only a fool would say that. In mi countri, of course.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 18:00:55 ET
Posted by: hoops, nyc

Just real quick as I go by an email connection.

WOW! What incrfedible reviews, Aussie, CeeTee, everyone else. I felt like I was there! And I WAS!

WHATTANIGHT!

And be there for the show or at least the after hours tonight at Le Bar Bat. More sweet treats and surprises, you gotta bet!

The Spanish spoken at the end of "Only a Fool Would Say That" is, "only a fool would say that" and is by Jeff Baxter.

Gotta go...

THANKS EVERYONE!

jim

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 17:56:07 ET
Posted by: DEACON BLUE, BRUSSELS, BELGIUM

At the end of the song ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY THAT ther is a Spanish guy speaking.Is there someone who knows who that guy is and what he is saying?

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 17:00:09 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, cali

Victor Feldman was truly king. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a Bob's Big Boy in Redlands, Ca.....he had the vibe in his hand...

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 16:47:26 ET
Posted by: Mr. Whatever, NYC

wow. i have totally been recovering all day from last night and have only now emerged to drop a few thoughts and a few thank yous. first of all, thank the creators, the great Don & Walt for a ludicrously delicious evening of music. those of you heading to Roseland tonight are in for one of the greatest nights of your lives. when the doors opened, me and my buddy advanced to, like, 10' from the stage and i just stopped, stunned. "Donald Fagan is going to be _right there_! Walter Becker is going to be _right there_!", i managed to get out, pointing in the biggest, geekiest way possible. the boys (and the girls, hurumph!) did not disappoint. gotta' say a highlight was when i screamed "WE LOVE YOU BOYS!" and Herrington smiled. the set list was a dream come true, from the 'exotic' cycle (Caves of Alt., Godwhacker, Babylon Sisters) to the 'rock your balls off' cycle (Charlemagne, Josie, Don't Take Me Alive)-- it was all AWESOME! Carlock is an animal!!! on the whole, i found the band to be much more harmonic and groove based like EMG. (and how about that eruption when they launched into EMG?!). my God, i can't speak today because i was shouting so loud!!!

and another special thank you for the good company. i hit the Novotel ahead of time(my real name is Danyon, for those of you whom i met). but it was such a treat to meet the great Hoops and Cara Mia. also, i was honored to hold up the Steely torch alongside Pete-Freaking-Fogel!!! Chris from Arizona, Tim from Utah with his 'Steely Dan T-Shirt'. you all rock and you made the whole experience that much more significant for me.

until next time, MY FUNKY ONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 15:33:39 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

You mean it's gonna be da Shteely w/o the Leonhart's? At the first show in Costa Mesa, Walt mentioned that Michael was gettin hitched AFTER the tour, so whats up widat? Was the trumpeter Tony Kadleck last night? As far as doing w/o Carolyn, well maybe Mindy Josten or how about Vicki Cave? Pheobe Snow?

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 14:51:26 ET
Posted by: Laina, avoiding the dishes in my sink

Aussie, thank you so much for that *amazing* review. Makes me even more excited for the Sept. 28th show. I hope they're as phenomenal on that night as it sounds like they were at Roseland.

Lainalove

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 14:02:35 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Crack - I find it amazing to revisit the list of players and notice just how many cuts Victor Feldman played on and how much he added to the rhythmic texture of the various songs. He had da chicky-boom fer shur.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 13:56:04 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

WuDu, Naz, Boston, Rajah - glad you enjoyed the blow-by-blow. Aus, thanks for yours! Now we know, you need to come with an extra camera memory card. :P

DACW, I'm pretty sure there's a big dollop of pedal steel on St Louis Toodleoo - didn't see that listed there. Donald on alto sax? That surprises me - does he do that? Pardon my ignorance if so.

I will attempt to make the Novotel tonight, and make my presence known. Is there a secret sign? :)

I completely forgot about the M. Leonhardt absence. My memory, doubtless flawed, of the name Don said was... Dave Balloon. :P Someone know who it was?

Will there be a sub for Carolyn tonight? I sob at the prospect of being robbed of her foxy, ethereal presence this evening.

Another tidbit -- Walt has this habit of staring at his music stand while he solos, and a lot of the time other than that too. I wonder what he's looking at. I don't think I ever saw him turn the page. A focus habit, perhaps.

CT

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 13:36:30 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

Latest iteration of a long-term project on ciphering the credits to PL, KL, and RS. Still have a few queries, and welcome comments suggestions on any part...

...and as usual, please no wagering!


PRETZEL LOGIC


Rikki Don’t Lose That Number:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar & Solo: Skunk Baxter
Piano: Michael Omartian
Flapamba: Victor Feldman
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit


Night By Night:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Skunk Baxter (solo)
Walter Becker
Clavinet: David Paich
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Clarinet: Jerome Richardson
Backing Vocals: Tim Schmit, (Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews???? – uncredited)



Any Major Dude:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben Benay
Electric guitars: Denny Dias (left channel); Skunk Baxter
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine):
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen


Barrytown:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic guitar: Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Denny Dias, Dean Parks
Pedal Steel guitar: Skunk Baxter (last verse)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit


East St. Louis Toodle-oo

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Wah-wah Guitar: Walter Becker
Banjo: Dean Parks
Piano: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Alto Sax: Donald Fagen


Parker’s Band:

Drums: Jim Gordon (right channel) & Jeff Porcaro (left channel)
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Denny Dias (left channel), Dean Parks, Walter Becker
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Dueling Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit, (female - Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews??)



Through With Buzz:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen

Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell


Pretzel Logic:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel), Michael Omartian (right channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit


With a Gun:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Skunk Baxter (good Western flavor)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit


Charlie Freak:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen (left channel)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, sleigh bells, triangle @ 1:52 mark)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen


Monkey in Your Soul: (a very underrated song)

Drums: Jim Gordon
Fuzz Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Dean Parks (right channel); Walter Backer (solo – left channel)
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman - handclaps
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen (great echo)

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell


KATY LIED


Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald


Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald


Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey or Wilton Felder???
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric – left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo – right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald


Daddy Don’t Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen


Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen


Everyone’s Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews


Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen


Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 o’clock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen



Any World (That I’m Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of “99”)??
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald


Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Becker. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins


All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell


THE ROYAL SCAM


Kid Charlemagne:

Drums: Bernard “Pretty” Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews


Caves of Altamira:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Jim Horn
Solo Sax: John Klemmer
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit


Don’t Take Me Alive:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo)
Dean Parks (rhythm)
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit


Sign in Stranger:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Denny Dias (outtro)
Piano: Don Grolnick or Paul Griffin????
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit


The Fez:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Victor Feldman
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald


Green Earrings:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliott Randall - left channel
Larry Carlton - right channel
Denny Dias – 1st section
Elliott Randall – 2nd section
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, triangle, maracas)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit


Haitian Divorce:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Dean Parks (solo talk box)
Walter Becker (talk box voicings)
Larry Carlton (rhythm)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews


Everything You Did:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo), Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Organ: Paul Griffin
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald


Royal Scam:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Donald Fagen
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (blocks, tambourine)
Dueling muted trumpets: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 12:58:26 ET
Posted by: Darren Gallagher, Long Island, NY

Hi there. Going to Roseland tonight. Does anyone know when doors will open, or when they opened last night? Thanks

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 12:40:08 ET
Posted by: Molly, CA-tumbling....

Thank you Aussie so very much-your description of last night's show gave me goosebumps and nearly brought me to tears. I, like yourself, have seen them play this summer but I am obsessively and anxiously awaiting the 28th when I will see them again. Unfortunately I won't have the same "being up front" experience many of you are having-my timing and wallet only allowed for nosebleeds (at least I will be able to dance without a care)(also trying to beg/bother/coerce/convince the local radio station in hooking me up since they will be giving away some tix-even offered self-embarrassment on air). I think for me, the envy of last night and tonight comes not only from having an opportunity to see the band in excellent form in a great city/venue, but an opportunity to share it with so many of like mind-I can only hope that my second experience will be as great. So again, and show goers on the 28th-lets try to get together and at least share some laughs/energy/zombies/tears.

Have a wonderful time everyone!

South-I'll be giving you a ring again tonite-hope to reach you!

-Molly

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 12:08:37 ET
Posted by: Aussie, New York

Holy Christ. Just got back from the Roseland debauchery session. Oh where to begin? The Novotel pre-show DanFan festivities were terrific save for the bitch bartendre who had a despicable attitude.
Hoops McKay, Pete Fogel and Sharri, Malcolm Hunter, Lisa G, Broadway Steve, Little Wild One, Andy Metzger, SouthofHollywood, CaraMiaMarsha, DanFan, Ed Beatty, Aunt Faye and her lovely daughter, Hat2Flat, Jude, Mr. and Mrs. Q from Tampa, and a whole cast of others (sorry I can't remember everybody now) including myself and Utah drank our potent potables on the hotel terrace overlooking Times Square and the Roseland Ballroom directly across the street. The mood was giddy and notiseably upbeat as we all knew we were all in for the treat of an Evening With Steely Dan.

Noone cared much about getting to the line which formed around the block....we were all just basking in each other's excitement and recounting past shows we have been lucky enough to attend before this most magical evening.

As we entered the ballroom, your faithful and humble narrator was subjected to having my digital camera's memory disque confiscated in keeping with the spirit of their rule of no cameras allowed inside the venue. They made me sign an envelope where they placed the disque inside and told me I could claim it aftre the show provided I produce identification.

Just to the right of the entrance were some people from the General Motors Credite Cardde Company offering these groovy Steely Dan Visors in black with "Steely" embroidered in white and "Dan" embroidered in baby blue....underneath embroidered was the GM logo and the words GM Card.......on the top of Steely Dan was embroidered "2003" in white and "Tour" in baby blue....very nice visors indeed.....all one needed to do was fill out a form/application for a GM credite Card....and the visor was yours to keep. I walked with away with two of these.

The vendors on the left were hawking the Steely Dan tee-shirts and all other paraphenelia....we got our fill of stuff at the Jones Beach bacchanal.

The Roseland Ballroom is a beautiful venue with outstanding acoustic properties. It is rich in history and Mr. Fagen alluded to some of the greats that have played there before in some onstage banter during the show. There may have been tickets still available for those eleventh hour Charlies out there, but from the look of things once we hit the hardwood floors of the Ballroom, the place was JAMMED PACKED. Even the seating upstairs was damned nearly filled to capacity.

The crowd was actually a nice mix of older 30s, 40s, 50s and some notiseably younger kids. There was open and notorious marihuana smoking and there were at least a half dozen people that managed to smuggle cameras in, as was evidenced by the intermittent flash bulbs going off. Of course, yours truly was more than peeved seeing the injustice of this since my plan to take photos of the band in action to share with you all was foiled at the entrance.

The lights dim and the Steely Dan orchestra comes out to roaring appreciation. It is eight twenty-one post meridien Eastern Standard Time. The ticket stubs incorrectly stated eight of the clock post meridien.

I did notise a few things. The second time around for me personally, I was able to pick up on far more nuances than the first time which was a sweet bonus. But also, I think they played even better, dare I say exponentially better, than the Jones Beach show which at the time I thought could no way in hell be topped. Mind you, we had front row center sets for Jones Beach and at the Ballroom this evening we stood the entire time dancing and singing our lungs out....maybe that's where the "extra fun factor" kicks in. When you're sitting in the front row, you're basically relegated to grooving in your seat, which is not a terrible thing in itself.... but indeed there's something to be said about a few thousand New Yorkers dancing and singing together to such an awesome band.

The set list:

Cubano Chant. With horns like these, I could freakin' play the spoons and be just as famous (not a swipe at D&W....merely an exxagerated tip of the cap to these awesome horn payers).

Aja. Blown away. Deliberately delivered slowly, on purpose so it pierces your heart. Mr. Keith Lockhart, as I mentioned in my Jones Beach colour post earlier is simply EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL. No ifs ands or buts about it....simply out of this world....robotic yet filled with emotion and energy. KaBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!! Mr. Walt Weiskoppf also shines brightly here in the solo.

Time out of Mind. Well done. Mr. Donald Fagen takes the lead...beautifully executed.

Godwhacker. The Babe Choir shines here. They are all wearing black with Ms. Cynthia Calhoun and Ms. Carolyn Leonhart showing midriff....Ms. Cindy Mizelle was more covered. Grooved super hard, and responded very well to the adoring crowd. Each Horn takes a solo. This night, Mr. Michael Leonhart was not there, as he is getting married tomorrow. Unfortunately, Ms. Carolyn Leonhart will miss tomorrow night's show to make her brother's wedding tomorrow, this according to Pete Fogel who shared a bit of insider scoops with me before the show. The stand-in was superb, your truly erred in not noting his name, but take my word for it, he rocked the house nicely.

Caves of Altimira. By now, the entire Ballroom is singing every word of this tune (at least those who knew the lyrics, which were the great majority of the crowd) and ALL OTHERS after this one. This is precisely the reason I was a tad quiet as a mouse at the post show at Le bar Bat...I lost my freaking voice singing and cheering. Again, Mr. Fagen shines...has terrific backup.

Black Cow. Babe Choir bathed in red light. The graphics and background movies and images were stunning. Mr. Walter Becker leads beautifully. So into it. Grins and means it. Mr. Cornelius Bumpus induces goosebumps on every inch of my body during his solo here. WOW.

Babylon Sisters (shake it). Incredibly performed. Like Aja performed before it, a deliberately slowed up tempo......just to make you cry. And cry yours truly almost did. Heart wrenchingly awesome. Mr. Jim Pugh executes a mindblowing trombone solo. I think I went numbre one in my pants here. How amazing is Mr. Pugh? I mean really....

Slang of Ages. Walter sounds great. Babe Choir shines again. Mr. Becker's introduction of the band, tastefully done and fully imbued with dry wit and humour.

Peg. Mr. John Herrington incinerates The Roseland Ballroom. Wearing a plain white teeshirt, this seemingly inocuous looking, Clark Kent-like cat can play a mean lead guitar...with the very best of them out there....delicious chops, delivered smoldering hot and with a killer smile too. Amazing.

Home at Last. Peformed with the image of a red Empire State Buiding behind the band, this tune really struck home. Home was were the boys were, and home was where they played. Emotionally buckling.

INTERMISSION

The Steely Dan Show. Babe Choir sounds outstanding. Even Mr. Pugh joins in the singing. A very catchy tune with infectious groove....hilarious too since it is self serving (to wit: read the lyrics).

Janie Runaway. Mr. Barney on Bass....holy guacamole! On fiyahh.

Hey Nineteen. Becker solo...amazing. Crowd fills in 'Retha Franklin for Mr. Fagen....he gestures comically as if to say...."see? YOU said it, NOT me!" Mr. Bumpus solos here too....smoking hot. The man barely moves but wow-wee, the sounds that come out of that man's horn are fit for heaven's band.

Haitian Divorce featuring Mr. Walter Becker on lead vocals. Beautiful black and white photography of old school Haitian couples dressed in white dancing.....touching images set to the gravely voice of Mr. Becker. Mr. Herrington nails the leads with scary precision. Very well done.

Lunch with Gina. Malcolm nearly shits a Nokia cell phone here from the excitement. Faster paced than on the compact disque, played exceptionally well with an interesting ending....a tease of a drum solo to come from Mr. Keith Carlock but one never comes...almost but not quite as abrubt an ending as The Last Mall. A great treat to see this added to the set list. Thank you guys!

Everything Must Go. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. Mr. Walt Weiskopff is a freaking genius. Almost brought to tears. Again. Mr. Ted Baker too....simply amazing.

Parker's Band. Babe Choir's extra sexy rendition. Mama Mia...definetely not a gun in my pocket. Outstanding. Oh yes, many numbers before this one, MANY folks dancing, grooving, singing.

Josie. Becker shines in this timeless classic. The back drop images are of a beautiful azure sky flanking a crimson red moving flame....which interestingly enough was directly superimposed on Mr. Carlock (the red flames engulfed him).....this was very fittingly symbolic because during his drum solo he was literally and figuratively ON FIRE. Somebody get me a couple of those clearing paddles from a hospital. Floridavid, and other drummers, if you are reading this: make sure you get front and centre of this kid phenom when you see the Dan down in Florida...seriously, he fucking rules.

Kid Charlemagne. Is there gas in the Car? This was shouted at the tops of everyone's lungs there. Groovalicious all around. Mr. Herrington solos here, again setting the Ballroom on fire with reckless abandon.

Don't Take Me Alive. The Ballroom is one big party by now. Everyone joins in the singing, and Mr. Herrington AGAIN whallops the crowd with a stirring solo.

GOODNIGHT. It is 10:47 PM now.

Encores.

My Old School. The Ballroom is literally shaking. Incredible. Donald Fagen has removed his shades here. Herrington takes you to school anew.

FM. I'd be surprised if the Ballroom is still there for tomorrow night's show, to which your faithful and humble narrator will attend. Great ending.


LeBarBat. More excitement. Ran into Mr. Barney and let him know how much we appreciated his playing....very nice gentleman. Mr. Herrington was also there and I spoke with him as well....he remembered me from three years ago...what a great bloke, so down to Earth and unassuming. Also chatted it up with Ms. Cynthia Calhoun and took some very pictures of her with Utah....she wanted to know if she could use the digital images on her website....no problem I told her. She also thanked me for the dozen roses I presented to her at Jones Beach and told me the the other girls were equally appreciative.

Got a chanse to meet Angel who posts here...delightful. LadyBaySide and her SO made it there too......the band at LBB was sooooooo good, but I can't possibly write anymore now as your faithful and humble narrator is exhausted. It's just after four thirty AM here now and my eyeballs are bleeding from all the partying and hobnobbing.....

Tomorrow night we'll do it again.

Very truly yours,

Aus










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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 11:38:33 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, in the flesh

It is an entirely different experience being right up front at a show.First of all it's not about the sound obviously. The array of speaker technology above and in front ,assaults the listner with a viscosity of distorted sound.Being up front is about trying to pick out Fagan's crowns when he tilts his head back before the choruses. Its about watching body fluids fly and focusing on the giant Mezzuza on Carolyn's chest as she sways.Its about seeing how the tech guys lovingly roll up a cable when Donald is finished with the blue synth and understanding why he puts the Melodica here and not there.Its about being together in the flesh with all the obsessive freaks ( I say this with the utmost respect) who I have come to know through the chatroom here , watching a tear roll down their cheek while listening to a song they've heard played LIVE a dozen times .

The VERY best thing about the Roseland experience has been meeting many of you on a terrace overlooking the most beautiful city , looking into your eyes, laughing, goofing like idiots and reveling on being on the same page musically.
You are all wonderful.

Regards,

bwaySteve

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 11:02:48 ET
Posted by: Zim,

I heard that rock lobster riff at the Oakdale too! Funny how the people hanging around during the break either KNEW it note for note or looked completely baffled.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 10:40:40 ET
Posted by: brodsky, www.danbrodsky.com

The Steve Gadd Torch has been passed to Keith Carlock..!!

Where can i get the lastest tour live???

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 10:14:16 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, Bethel, CT

Loved CeeTee's review-you are definitely paying attention, my friend.I could almost close my eyes and have been there! Hope you'll all get more surprises tonight. Glad to see Janie Runaway was back. How was Lunch with Gina? That ROCKED at the Oakdale. As far as union guys not wanting to work past a certain time, I think if D.F. and W.B. decided to do more songs their attitude would be "Sue me if I play too long."

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 10:13:15 ET
Posted by: Nazman, New Frontier

Nice post, CeeTee. Enjoyed it thoroughly

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 09:55:30 ET
Posted by: maj©, Jersey side

Wish I could have been there. For me, Borgata broke the bank.

There in spirit tho.....

maj©

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 09:17:19 ET
Posted by: edbeatty, @roseland

Roseland 9/12.03
Pete Fogel told me this was gonna be great and Pete is never wrong on these issues.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT...WHAT A NIGHT

Boston Rag..cough up the lung and get down here now.

Ed (barely awake enough to give even this as color) Beatty

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 04:11:35 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

CeeTee- thanks so much for staying up to post that, wow, we get an additional number with the return of Janie.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 04:00:35 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, ,

Sorry Cee Tee - we were posting at the same time.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 03:59:30 ET
Posted by: Boston Rag, Not in NYC :(

Hey! Are you all sleeping in The City That Never Sleeps???

Somebody put down their Martini, get to a computer and post some color!

If I wasn't coughing up my lungs with pneumonia, I'd be down there with you.

Mark in Boston

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 03:58:54 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, walking down the avenue by Radio City

What a freakin' experience. I was RIGHT there! 2 yards from Walter Becker, 3rd 'row', next to a couple from Hawaii who got tickets that day, but were going to be back in Hawaii a few days after the show that's scheduled for there, and some nice lady who was telling her date all about how she listened to Aja in her room over and over and over when she was 15. The guy didn't seem to know the music that well. :) Someone had their cute 9-yr-old daughter (I'm guessing on the age) there, in the front, sitting up on the speakers that were on the floor (if that's what they were). She was so into it - screaming when everyone else did, while we were waiting for them to come on. Totally lost track of time, eventually she was gone.


Anyway... from close up, there's so much more to experience. Duh.

Before each set, the guitar tech kept playing Rock Lobster on all the guitars. Which was kind of bizarre. The last time he did it everyone screamed. I was ready to scream.

Walt has this incredibly professorial air, and has a piece of gear called the Headtrip by Sound Sculpture in his rack. He also had a very funny looking skull... thingie on the lower right on the ledge in front of the bottom of his THREE power amps. Least I think that's what they were -- a Mesa Boogie, a Bogner and a Top Hat, the last of which I've never heard of.

Herington played through dual Guytron amps. How... masculine. :D I figure one was a backup.

They both had two really nice-looking mics in front of their amps. The sax guys also had nice mics - I'm sure this contributes to the fidelity of the show. Or... maybe they were taping it. Who knows :)

There was a little PA speaker right on the edge of the stage, but amazingly it didn't blast us out during the show. Nicely done.

Despite me mentioning in-ear monitors in a post back there, they actually DON'T use them - which I thought was odd, but I guess they prefer to have their ears share the same airspace as the audience, which is kind of nice.

The setlist was the same for the first half, but... slightly different from what we've had in the second half. I'm new around here, I don't know if I should steal the honor of spilling those beans. :D

Aja was a goddam religious experience for me. The guitar riffing from Becker (who was in pretty damn good form, although his tone was not as loud or cutting as Herington's - I would have liked more volume) was great, and then Weiskopf blowing his butt off on the sax -- then Carlock starts filling in the bottom under him -- woo! Then the section where Carlock really let fly... man, it was nice! Although he had a cymbal for a head all night, from my vantage point.

But most of all, there was Donald - he who helped shape my life since I was 15 or 16. I have loved Steely Dan for the longest time. *sigh* Donald really commits himself to the performance, and I love him for that. He was whacking that piano, seemed into it.

GodWhacker is a tune I just love, and it was funky as hell. I was surprised to see Herington playing it with a capo. He did the main bouncy riff, while Walt soloed over it. I think someone else here mentioned keying in on the great line "give the man some whacking space" - I do just love that.

Sang along w/Caves, Black Cow, Babylon Sisters. Baker doing all that nice languorous Rhodes work. Boy the Rhodes can sound really overdriven - what a cool sound. Don seemed to really love playing his blue Lynx(?) strap-on, he just grabbed that pitch-bend wheel and went to town. He likes jamming with Tom Barney. Walt likes jamming with Carlock. Slang of Ages was nice. Walter's voice -- you just gotta accept it for what it is. If you haven't listened to it on 11 Tracks of Whack, you just gotta check that out. He is really in his element on that album, and there are some sounds on it that would never be in a Steely Dan song - i.e. Surf And/Or Die. He really reminds me of one of my music professors in person, so it kind of undercuts the grungy, edgy effect his delivery has when you are not also looking at him. Does that make any sense?

More random observations -- Herington moved his mouth while playing the wah-wah part on Haitian Divorce. Me, I can't resist doing that when I play wah-wah guitar, and I was really gratified to find out it's not just me.

OK - here was the interesting bit - they played Janie Runaway, so I'm thinking, damn, no EMG!!! Went thru Hey 19, Divorce, then woooo Lunch w/Gina. Tom Barney even pulled out the thumb on that one -- first time I noticed him doing that, though I prolly missed it earlier on something.... anyway THEN they did EMG. I went nuts, lots of people went nuts. Those are BOTH really great live tunes. Parker's band rocked, then we had Josie, which was really a good few ticks slower than I would like it to be (so sue me!), Kid C and DTMA. Then the 2 standard encores. Herington aced 'em all, for sure -- seemed looser than Jones Beach. After My Old School, Don said 'we have time for one more' -- everyone went 'two! two! two!' - he smiled, said something... I'm thinking MAYBE we'll get TIMTM or something, after FM. But... no.

That was the show. The after-party was fabulous, but I left at 2:20 - Herington and Barney were there, but it didn't look like they were about to sit in. A bunch of other guys did though, and the Funk Filharmonic was... really funky, man!! A cool scene. They played parts of 11TOW, NY R&S Revue, and then the EMG album over the PA during the course of the night, between live sets. I don't know any of this crowd yet, but did see a couple othere people I knew.

Anyway, gotta sleeeeep. Feeet huuuuurt.

CeeTee

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 02:38:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Aunty Faye - how did the youngster like the show? I swear I can hear all you guys partying at BarBat right now, it's about 2:30 AM. Zowie, thanks Peter for that on the scene update, I love the configuration of the new setlist, I knew they'd come through.

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Date: Sat, September 13, 2003, 00:18:40 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Wow! An amazing performance. At the last minute, my "friend in the business" came thru with upgrades on the tickets, so my daughter and I got to hang in the balcony. Roomy and cool. No real surprises, but it was so intimate. Very special...and my kid really loved it.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 22:40:00 ET
Posted by: DACW ,

norm: that's right cornflakes sans milk and Camels...

Rajah: good pickup - flows into "crashing the backboard, he's Jungle Jim..."

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 22:39:30 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Great time at Novotel hangin with Broadway Steve, Mo, Hoops, Andy Metzger, Ed Beatty etc...no changes in set list and no guest stars in part one of show, but when you're right on top of the band like this you pick up so much...for example in other venues, in TOOM, I couldn't see or hear the way Cindy Mizelle trades the Michael McDonald parts with Donald but this was really strong here...large Empire State Building behind the band during Home At Last...Don paid tribute to this "great historical hall where Cab Calloway and Glenn Miller played"...place mobbed, packed in like sardines in front...Gretchen is like right on top of Don, trying to toss him her Aja scarf...I have to see if they'll let me back in and then push my way all the way to the front again.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 22:33:42 ET
Posted by: DACW,

What a week!!!

Whew...

PQ: Damn! you skipped Meal dimensions - a kick seeing these different sides...I never knew you, you were a roller skater...LOL...can't say you don't have range in bogus personna portrayal!

Bright Sunlight, Big City


Rajah: You're crazy, but I love you man...Yeah, the Dude finally excapes the "friend zone" and into something more frightening: "The Marriage Zone!!" ...and now she's gone again...maybe on that train to Fordham...


Yes: Sweet leaves a sour aftertaste

Joey: spank that arrogant, schitzoid crime monkey!!! maybe it's Jim Rome as a juvenile!


Sparky: It's even more fun *listening* to Glamour Profession than posturing over its lyrics. Good keying in on Anthony Jackson's bass...listen to his (a) descending riff a transition after "...his Eurasian bride..."

and (b) the interplay between the bass mid soundscape and Fagen's synth in the far left channel - really easy to hear in the intro...

my fav part is Rob Mounsey's brilliant piano solo (there's a little part where he AND Jackson are descending at the same time at the 3:46 mark that's nirvana) and then right into THAT bridge:

"Hollywood, I know your middle name (check out the bass in this line)
Who inspires those fabled fools?
That's my claim to fame?"


anyway there's a lot of that interaction on Katy and a ton in Steely Dan2 (TvN and EMG)

Spend a quarter - $25 or $2500? reminds me of that famous "cold cure" scene from Crocodile Dundee...

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 20:49:54 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Mystery Guest-Don't wallow friend! Join us in the chat room!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 20:21:29 ET
Posted by: John Keys, Corpus Christi

Could everyone please PRAY HARD that the Dan record the concerts at Roseland Ballroom for a dvd to be released in the near future?
Many of us cannot make it to more than one or two shows--and I really like the changes to the setlist they've made!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 19:08:51 ET
Posted by: Paul Shotan, Birmingham UK

THE DAN COLLECTIVE - UK Steely Dan Revue Band
are appearing at 9pm on
SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 13th
at
THE RUNNING HORSE
16 Alfreton Road, Canning Circus
Nottingham, NG7 3NG, UK
tel: 0115 978 7398

2 hours of the coolest music on the planet...STEELY DAN.
In the absence of the real thing this tour....
close your eyes and you'll be there, it's everything they say..."

Hope to meet you there, all the best from all in the band
www.thedancollective.co.uk

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 18:01:51 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Norml - no I'm not familiar with that sign but it's sooo very LA. Kinda like Brut[e] and charisma, milk 'n cigarettes don't belong together do they. This, in microcosm, encapsulates the chronic crisis of conscience in the Angelino mindset. Nothing makes sense but the sunshine really. Must have driven D&W crazy. BTW the misspelling of Brute aftershave lends a double meaning to Hoops McCann, nez pas?

I think I'm down now. Time for another bowl and a Chiba -- I mean Cohiba. That Joey's a good man.


PUUFFF!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 17:28:41 ET
Posted by: norm's - open 24 hours,

Raj - sounds tasty. You're in L.A., ever see that take-out place in Mar Vista called Mago's? I love the sign on the side of the building - "Milk and Cigarettes" - mmmmm, MMMM, don't that jes' set your taste buds afire?

Joey - speaking of buds afire...share and share alike. Next time, it's our treat!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 17:18:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Normy - I'll be right out. But we have to make a stop, we're meeting the El Supremo at Mr. Chows before the show. Love those dunplings. Did I mention my sister was a taxi dancer at Roseland? But her dime dancing is through.

Muuuncchhhiieesss!
(We're the One)

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 17:18:09 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

Wow !!!!!

One thing The Joey has learned around here is that he had better hide his dope REAL carefully from his Steely Brothers and Sisters .


What insatiable appetites you all have -- an I respect the Hell out of that too ......................no wonder my cannister of Chiba Chiba ( Highest Quality ) is always empty .

Shiver ................................

Joey !

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 17:02:38 ET
Posted by: NORML,

"Now where's that blacklight poster from 74"

Dude, it's next to the lava lamp, right where you left it! Now go grab that stash, we're waiting out here in the El Camino. And bring that Amon Duul 8-track while you're at it!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 17:01:22 ET
Posted by: The Bending End, RI

The first time I ever heard of Roseland was in a song on Danny O'Keefe's debut album in 1972--the one with Good Time Charlie's Got The Blues. There's a song on that called Roseland Taxi Dancer that, if I remember correctly, is a reference to NYC's Roseland.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:50:32 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

I thought I WAS standing in line. Wow, that bong really works. Thanks to The Young Joey. Like, I owe you one, dude. (I also nuzzle you) Now where's that blacklight poster from 74?

About the White Man's Burden, I could've sworn I read a good hunk of it on some website. I'm gonna look as soon as I come down.

BUZZZZD!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:42:09 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

Shouldn't we all be standing in line out front at the Roseland right about now ???????????????????????

J.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:39:57 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

Steely-folk,

Covered back in March of 2003 (some additional info for those who missed it the first time):

Date: Thurs, March 20, 2003, 11:21:51 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ / USA

For those who don't read the "Sign In Stranger Guestbook" in addition to this one:

In case anyone might be interested, there's a book (edited by 'Village Voice' writer Greg Tate) entitled 'Everything but the Burden: What White People Are Taking from Black Culture,' which includes a chapter on Steely Dan. The book is essentially a series of interviews and essays, with the chapter on Steely Dan being an interview between Tate and Vernon Reid of the band Living Color. Reid's admiration of Steely Dan is apparent, and he basically explains how much of Steely Dan's music and lyrics pay tribute to or parallel African-American culture and perspectives. Interesting reading-

"Bodacious cowboys / such as your friend / will never be welcome here..." - Steely Dan, 'Gaucho'

Randy / NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:36:55 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Joey-baby, yeah I got your stash man, I used Peter's cybersucker program and scooped it right off your desk. Is GOOOOOOOd shzit, thanks. Now I gotta see a joker then I'll be right back. "

Hey , give it back .

And I was going to break out the Handmade CUBAN PAREJO Cigars ( $150.00 each ) at the next DanFest but NOT NOW !!!!!!!!


Snarky !

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:33:12 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Rajah-share with your friends!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 16:19:27 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Joey-baby, yeah I got your stash man, I used Peter's cybersucker program and scooped it right off your desk. Is GOOOOOOOd shzit, thanks. Now I gotta see a joker then I'll be right back.


BOONNNNGGG!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 15:55:08 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Your computer is about to have more viruses than a lab at Pfizer. "


Ok ..............THAT'S it !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Due to the refined nature of today's posting , your young Joey has no choice but to bring out the good stuff this afternoon / evening .

CUBA ALIADOS VINTAGE for everyone and the drinks today are on me ................

Just one thing , has anyone here on this most beloved and prodigious of boards seen my dope ???????? It was some " Black Indigio " from the " Sensi Smile " Coffee Shop in Amsterdam ( near canal street ) and it was very very special to yours truly .




Developing ..................................

The Joey , Established 2003

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 15:00:23 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Raj - Greg Tate is the editor of the book Everything But The Burden: What White People Are Taking From Black Culture, which contains the essay "Steely Dan Understood As The Apotheosis of the White Negro," the White Negro referring to a famous essay Norman Mailer wrote in the 1950s.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 14:52:01 ET
Posted by: mystery guest, 55 miles east of Roseland

Zim -- Not to worry, it wasn't anything you said. The chat room seems to work kind of strangely, to say the least.

Hope you get lucky, show-wise! Me, I'm going to go fry up some sad cuisine and wallow in self pity about tonight.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 14:40:43 ET
Posted by: krammy, vt

dfd- the ending of EMG was an appropriate ending, nothing more..
the performance of it was "just like the record" as is said...and ronald f. did a swell job of hitting the high notes in the verses..i thought he would "crack" or defalut to a lower note - which he kind of slid in and out of that high note on the fist verse, but was letter perfect on the others----side note is GINAof emg was funky as shit...they might keep that one in for future shows, who knows..and "parkers band" w/ the girls singing was soooo good they should re-record it

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 14:31:50 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

Quick question for any who saw EMG live Wednesday....How did they end it? It's a fade out on the CD, what did the boys do live????


Ya know...enquiring minds....


Ready for Oct 4th, and jealous of all you NYers/east coasters ....


DFD

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 14:31:39 ET
Posted by: Zim,

MysteryGuest-Wondered what happened...you were there, gone, back and then gone again. Sure hope it wasn't something I said, or didn't say! Would love to see one more show this tour, but so far, not looking likely. Sigh.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 13:57:22 ET
Posted by: Green with envy,

Woah! Check out the Le Bar Bat festivities!

http://www.lebarbat.com

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 13:32:27 ET
Posted by: Shaun, lap top heading to nyc

Peter Q- See you at 5:00 tough guy.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 13:14:16 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Shaun: due to a lack of punctuation, I must ask:
Are you 6 feet, 7 inches tall...or are you 67 years old?

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 12:59:23 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter Q - man I pegged you all wrong, you're trouble, you cyberbadass. "More viruses than Pfizer" I thought you wore cardigans and smoked a pipe. Huh. OK who is the Tate guy, I know the other two. New board? Geared toward effete intellectual Steely snobs with a penchant for ass-busting minutiae? Cool. I think you should have to pass a Steely Dan test to be able to post and then be rated for Steely acumen. Also a sense of humor and a working knowledge of the rules of forensic arguement without getting personal.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 12:41:18 ET
Posted by: mystery guest, beautiful downtown Setauket

Zim -- Sorry to disappear from chat just now. Dunno what happened...one minute I was on and the next the screen went blank. Nice talking to you, though. Hope you make it to some more shows this time around!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 12:35:55 ET
Posted by: norm,

Les - They did Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More on the 2000 tour, with Walter singing.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 12:27:09 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Ooooooh, I'm quivering there Shaunie. You'll probably be the only person there I don't know so you'll be easy to spot. By the way, one of my tech people invented the patented Biomorphic Server so I know your email address even though you break Hoops's rules and don't leave one here. And I know the other anon names you use here too.
Your computer is about to have more viruses than a lab at Pfizer.

In other news, our new SD discussion board will be up by the end of the month @PQSDTALK.NET. This will lean towards original scholarship and chat, with no censorship, although flames will be warned once and then prosecuted if it continues, and I assure you we can find you even if you don't leave an email addy. We are looking for people who are familiar with the work by Brian Sweet, Peter Lavazzoli, Greg Tate, and others. We are not looking for insignificant minutiae like dream set lists or "Don wore a green shirt last night" type posts. Should be up in about a month.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 12:00:40 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Shaun - you sound like most of the crowd at the Allmans last week. Those people are scary. Why do they have their wallets on a chain? Never understood that, and what exactly does a person do with a bandana? Leave Peter Q alone, he's a sensitive soul. (Tell us if Barna's with him, I hear she's hot.)

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:57:50 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Raj-I will give a full concert review, complete with setlist. Looking forward to meeting everyone (except maybe Shaun). Perhaps I will go incognito, with a Raquel Welch wig and Jackie O glasses. Hoping for "Bad Sneakers" and, by some miracle, "Goodbye Look."

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:53:23 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston (on my way to nyc)

Leaving for NYC...be there around 5:00pm....

Peter Q- I'll meet you at the bar of the Novotel at 5:30. So you'll recognize me,
I'm 6'7 320 LBS and I have a tattoo on the side of my neck that says "DEATH".

Looking forward to meeting you!!!!!!!
Shaun

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:50:54 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey Roselanders - I hope somebody will step up and get us a setlist and a detailed review of tonight's first show, Gretchen, we're counting on you. Details, sweetheart, details.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:39:57 ET
Posted by: Don, NYC

Gretchen, It's me, but not that me. Thanks. I'll keep an eye for you anyway.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:23:42 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, getting ready to leave work

Don? Is that you? 8 pm -look for the blonde in black with the Aja wrap. Stilettos a possibility!

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 11:16:25 ET
Posted by: Don, NYC

Pardon my ignorance, but does anybody know what time they actually go on tonight? I'm assuming there's no guest act before hand.

Thanks

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 09:42:05 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Zim, my friend-I think you can get tickets at Filenes-are you near one? In mere hours we'll all be there-you have to go! I don't know whether I will make tomorrow's show, however, I'm pretty beat right now. Will feel more awake when I step off the train onto 42nd.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 09:16:03 ET
Posted by: drummer, vt

Cash??! What about John Ritter??!!!
Who can replace him??!! He was an icon of powerful tv movies and sitcoms with true substance and mass appeal...it is turely a sad day in the entertainment field...wahhhhhhh- sorry...go dan...

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 09:13:42 ET
Posted by: Zim, still quietly sobbing in CT

Ok, I ask this, just in case my miracle happens but there are still tix for Roseland Sat night, with a choice of floor standing room or mezzanine standing room. Can you move about from one area to another? Prices ranging $75 to $125. Another tix website just had $90 tix, with no level indicated. So if I were to buy tickets, what's the recommendation? If I'm going, I don't want to be stuck in one area with all the other folks here hanging around somewhere else. While I want to see the boys again, you all have me fired up about meeting you there and going to LBB afterwards. Maybe I should head to LBB and meet you all there.

Hey WuDuF! Roadtrip my friend?

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 08:55:41 ET
Posted by: fezo, going to Jackson

Warron Zevon, and now Johnny Cash. Jane, how do you stop this thing?

First concert I ever saw was Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, The Tennessee Three, Carl Perkins, and The Statler Brothers at the football stadium two blocks from my house. I was a youngster, nine at the most, but even then I had at least a slight sense that this was something really cool.

Going to see Bruce/E Street this weekend in Chapel Hill. Not sure how it can top our heroes show at Nissan but I'm willing to roll the dice and give it a shot. Now that EMG is on the set list, I'm tempted to start drifting toward Atlanta post concert, but somehow I don't think my (or my wife's) employer would react favorably to a week long disappearance.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 07:57:05 ET
Posted by: AuntieFaye,

I may not be too swift on the uptake, but I realized something last night...how big is Roseland anyway? As far as capacity? Isn't this gonna be the smallest venue they play? Woo-hoo! Penny (hyperventilating since yesterday afternoon)

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 07:34:39 ET
Posted by: les,

has no one mentioned "daddy don't live in that nyc no more...? as a possiblity?

sure i'll be at roseland tonight, wearing a big ass bass clef on my shirt...

and all you groupies who ay "maybe they will do another song, they dont have to break down...? havent a clue about the music industry, i will leave it at that...in fact, i wish they would break down after two NEW encores (leave my old school and especially FM out of it)and hurry over to le bar bat for the party..you do not want to miss the funk filharmonik, and rumor has it that half the band will show up, and sit in...

see ya

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 06:59:32 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At home - going to to work

"You hopped a bus for NYC
Down in Tampa the future looked desperate and dark" - Q must be licking his chops - funny Roseland in NYC then Tampa - funny how life imitates art:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030911/NEWS/30911010



Miami too:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/weekend/6746061.htm

Apparently no reviews online of the Oakdale show - bummer- I thought either the New Haven Register or the Hartford Courant would run something - no dice.

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 05:16:47 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, at the edge of the frame

Ah Joey, I'm in agreement here on Network. Still looks ahead of its time (was it an influence on Videodrome? Hmmm..)

Film noir - if I remember rightly, 'Green Book' has the line "..very Kiss me Deadly" , and later on a reference to "a house on fire"

- check out the ending (either one!) of Kiss me Deadly, a great 50s 'noir' that I'm sure you're all familiar with.

And, has anyone seen "You've gotta walk it like you talk it..." - I think it's pretty obscure, but anything that combines Richard Pryor and Wes Craven(I think he was the editor) with our guys has gotta be worth a look.

"now we dolly back, now we fade to black..."

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Date: Fri, September 12, 2003, 00:33:00 ET
Posted by: Mo, chillin at the Manatee Bar (or trying to!)

Penny, I liked your pun!!!

I'll be wearing my Tour '94 Steely Dan T-Shirt with my
tight capris, and a grin from ear to ear!

Looking forward to meeting you and all our other brothers and sisters in Dandom!!

~Mo

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 21:04:39 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Fellow Danmates, look for me tomorrow night...hopefully they will let me into the Novotel Bar with my teenager. I'll be wearing a "Steely Dan meet Andy Warhol" T-shirt...Andy world that I'm welcome to...is better than this pun I just made! Penny

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 16:55:58 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Extra songs at Roseland? Don't think so. It's not about "breaking down" after the show. The workers at these venues are in unions. If the show ends one second past a certain time their wages triple. That's the real reason why these shows aren't longer.

24 HOURS NOVOTEL!!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 16:38:08 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey Roselanders - I think you'll get an extra encore and if that does indeed happen, it has to be a New York tune like Bad Sneakers.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 16:26:38 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Oh WuDuF! Don't be bummed! We'll plan next time to do Roseland as one of our shows so we can join everyone there. We'll have our own little shindig saturday. Oh yeah, that stuff we indulged in was the fine colombian...coffee? Wasn't that it? Still thinking of how we could squeak out a few hours in the city, just to feel the electricity in the air, as everyone "walk between the raindrops".

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 16:15:45 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, bummed in Bethel

Bummed because I can't go to NYC, but BLISSFUL still over what I heard last night. Yes, Grethchen, that was us dancing up in the balcony! And thankfully, this time no one yelled at us!We were also indulging a little in that..what was it called Zim..I keep forgetting...not the Cuervo Gold, but the...You all will probably get a few extra songs the first night, and maybe even that third encore we thought we'd get last night! Wishin' for ya'!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 16:11:57 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

Wooo, EMG added to the setlist - most bodacious. My buzz is building... can't wait til Roseland!!!

A few people have been commenting on the vibe of being at a show. My observation on the stage vibe from Jones Beach was that the guys were really enjoying it, w/W+D trading licks on Time out of Mind at center stage. They really seem to be enjoying the experience. And overall, the band is given space to blow, with a horn solo as well as gtr or keys solo on many tunes - in short, a LIVE show with a LIVE band playing music in REAL time. Which I like; as opposed to what I expect from Simon & Garfunkel, for example - I imagine their show will be heavily arranged, with almost every song being a "set-piece", and the musicians more subjugated to the purpose of the song, even more so than the african-tinged stuff Paul has been doing. It's just not jamming music, and I don't feel their music has as much to offer in a live format. And I DO love S&G - just picked up remasters of Bookends and SoS the other week.

From what I understand, our Steely heroes hated the relatively low-quality sound and technical issues that were the norm for touring in the '70s - now, with in-ear monitors and all the other advances that have been made, it's clearly a different ballgame. I believe they plan on continuing with more tours and albums - my only concern is, as a few have mentioned, the less-than-full houses at several venues. Obviously the economics will have to work for it to continue. I don't believe that they are planning that this be the last tour, but at the same time, it still could be.

Well, enuff for now,

CT

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 15:45:53 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Wingin' it east...

"Praying for a few extra songs, due to the fact that they don't have to break down the set after the show. Please, please...."

Angel...Great observation...Let's hope that's exactly what happens!...SOH

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 15:24:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

WuDuF, good luck with that thesis-I've been working for my M.A. in english on and off, and grad school is tough. Glad you enjoyed the show-I think I saw some girls dancing around in the balcony, was that you? Wish we had caught up. As far as Brian Sweet's biography goes, I read it, and although it was entertaining, I wouldn't take it for gospel. There are some spotty areas never addressed, and he seems to jump from one "album phase" to another without much of a bridge. It was updated after the release of 2VN, and I'm curious as to whether he will do another update for EMG and the tour. I'd like to see someone write a bio regarding their recordings, with each chapter covering an album, getting into more detail about the lyrics and musical production of each. This way we wouldn't delve into the private areas of their lives, but instead read more detailed accounts about the songs that were released or not released, and inspiration for the albums, right down to art for the covers.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:57:03 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, blissful in Bethel

Well, I read all of your posts, fellow Oakdale concertgoers. I needed to put my feelings in about how absolutely BLOWN AWAY I was by last night's show. It confirmed my beliefs that if you are not concerned so much with WHAT they are playing, but HOW they are playing it, then you're in for an outstanding event. At least we were last night. A couple of surprises (which you already read about), but it was the FEELING they had and the communication that was going on onstage. I was amused by the was D.F. liked to draw out those last notes of a verse.Zim said it made you want to nudge him and say hey, get going! Musical freedom at it's best. I very much enjoyed all of W.B.'s solos, especially the improvising he did. And Gretchen, we were yelling for you from the upper balcony, but I guess you didn't hear us. My friend Zim and I have unfortunately decided that W.B. would be a much wilder ride! I know how you feel about Donald, but again, I don't see it! I could imagine how you felt last night though when he sang "she keeps me safe and warm.." in that soft way he has of doing that part. Hope it was all you wanted it to be. The drummer...I WISH I could do that, owning 1 conga drum and playing it terribly myself. He knows about dynamics. Anyway, I could go on and on (I probably will again later). Peace and good vibes to everyone headed down to Roseland. Only having to complete my master's thesis by next week is keeping me from joining you! Have fun!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:49:19 ET
Posted by: angel, Be there now, NYC

In NYC and ready to enjoy the music. EMG!!!!!! Yes!

Hope to see some of you tomorrow. Praying for a few extra songs, due to the fact that they don't have to break down the set after the show. Please, please....

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:42:57 ET
Posted by: Rindy, NYC

In all honesty, I've only read bits & pieces of it. I think someone here posted that Brian didn't speak directly with either Donald or Walter as a source.

I'll defer to others around here who have read it cover to cover.

The ultimate book for me would be D&W going through their song catalog & giving their interpretations about what each song is/was about.

I know they always say that they're stories and are meant to be interpreted differently and on different levels, but it would be great to get their own thoughts - separately would be even better to see where they agree/disagree too.

-Rindy

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:28:50 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Yes, Rindy that's the one. Is it worth buying and reading? Thanks

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:15:49 ET
Posted by: Rindy, NYC

Zim,

Do you mean Steely Dan: Reelin' in the Years (Sheaves) by Brian Sweet?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0711982791/qid=1063304026/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_5/002-4557348-4812040?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

-Rindy

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 14:08:14 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Remember something about a biography about Walter and Don-can someone remind the name of the book? And is it worth it? Thanks!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:50:48 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, live at the baked potato

Bluprintblu, thanks for the compliment! Oakdale was fabulous. Wish you could be at Roseland, too, man, what a night that's turning out to be!

With regard to setlists, I enjoy the Cubano Chant at the beginning, it's very cool, jazzy, and heightens the anticipation for the show. Aja is a must do for the intro, but I think we need Bad Sneakers for Roseland. It's the ultimate New York song! Although I live in CT, I'm just a short train ride away from NYC, and it's probably my favorite place. Bad Sneakers is a touching tribute to the greatest city in the world, particularly during this week of rememberance.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:39:31 ET
Posted by: kram,

EMG in oakdale was dead on-//the right tempo and don hit the notes twice.. altho slipping into falsetto- which he does on the cd - one time he kind of "grazed" the high note..still it was welcome and perect

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:39:16 ET
Posted by: jon,

Used to go to all the Beau Bolero shows at Toad's way back when. Great guitarist.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:31:24 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Rindy-It was incredible. They just had it all going on last night.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:02:48 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey bluprintblu - would you care to illuminate us all on the differences in "sensibilities". I don't get it in the context of SD.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 13:01:58 ET
Posted by: Man with no face,

A week and a day from Atlanta and I'm starting to get worked up. Hope EMG stays in the setlist! I'm beginning to have flights of fancy about "meet me in Memphis". Anybody else going to the Memphis show? What's the dealio on the venue? I take it that its general admission, get there early and get an awesome seat?

In Re: Don't take me alive. I've always thought of it as an Asimov or Phillip K. Dick tale, rather than the gangster (or wannabes of DDA) genre.

And in my previous post, the "last two" of Gaucho I was refering to are "My Rival" and "Third World Man". Don't know enough about Walt's personal life to know what the inspiration was though.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:58:01 ET
Posted by: bluprintblu, cali

You east coast guys and gals are so lucky.....the sensibilities are so different in L.A....
Miss Gretchen, a very well written review! I enjoyed reading it very much. I wish I could go to Roseland, but soon the mighty Dan will be winging their way to the west....I am so anticipating it all!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:44:09 ET
Posted by: Yokel , Noose

http://www.ddtonline.com/articles/2003/09/11/news/accent/accent1.txt

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:33:11 ET
Posted by: Rindy, NYC

Q for Oakdale concertgoers:

How did EMG sound live compared to on the CD?

-Rindy

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:20:35 ET
Posted by: Mo, waiting, (very impatiently) for Roseland!

My wish for Roseland.....

In the beginning we could hang with the dude.... OOPS!! ummm....sorry....what I meant to say is in the beginning of the tour our boys did The Last Mall once or twice, which was replaced by Blues Beach, which was then replaced with Babylon Sisters, which has remained in that spot on the set list to date.

Subsequently they replaced Things I Miss the Most with Lunch With Gina (I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THAT), and most recently they replaced Janie Runaway with Everything Must Go (CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THAT, EITHER!!!!!!)

IMHO the Roseland fans are going to be by far the most zealous, loyal, "Dan or die" fans. I don't think we need the "crowd-pleaser" songs (if you will), like Babylon Sisters, Hey 19, FM, Reelin' in the Sheaves (hehehee!) - NOT THAT I DON'T LOVE THOSE SONGS.....but..

This is the "EVERYTHING MUST GO" tour! So let's hear em all - leave Slang and Godwhacker where they are and include The Last Mall, Blues Beach, Things I Miss the Most, Lunch With Gina and Everything Must Go to the line-up (personally, I'd be thrilled if they'd do the whole CD!!). And what a shame to see Janie Runaway get replaced - there weren't enough songs from 2vN to begin with!! So my wish for Roseland is for them to play ALL the songs they've rehearsed from EMG and 2vN. And I'd love them to keep Caves, Kid C, Don't Take Me Alive and Josie. Aja is a great, great song, and it gives Keith Carlock a chance to blow us away (for the first of many times during the show), but I've thought all along that EMG would be a great set opener!! They could even omit the Cubano Chant and extend the intro of EMG - really let the horns and rhythm section jam out -and have Don and Walt walk onstage just in time.........I can just see it now....

Am I asking too much????

FWIW, I know I'll be on cloud 9 whatever they do. :-)

Long live the Dan!!

I'll be at Roseland both nights!!

Keep it real....or whatever...
~Mo

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:15:23 ET
Posted by: Rindy, NYC - South of Roseland

"Dog Day Afternoon" is one of my favorite films. However, using Elton's "Amoreena" during the opening credits has always puzzled me. Somehow that tune doesn't fit the theme of the movie so well. Nugent's "Dog eat Dog" would have been a better fit. Come to think of it, I think I'll need to see it again. Netflix to the rescue."

Gretchen et al,

For all you Netflix subscribers, the 2vN and Aja DVDs are available via this excellent service. I highly recommend both DVDs if you haven't seen or already purchased them (I own 2vN) & the Netflix service in general (free plug).

-Rindy

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 12:07:43 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Joey, tell us more. I have Network on DVD, it is indeed a masterpiece.. don't forget that Lumet directed but the mighty Paddy Chayefsky (Altered States, and, er, Paint your Wagon) wrote "

Ah , Finch Bloody Finch ...............and don't forget William " I banged TONS of women in my lifetime " Holden in the lead roles .

Your young Joey loves great writing ( which is why Steely Dan is so dear to his heart ) and he admires NOTHING more than talent . " Network " is the best written and most well acted film EVER in the History of Motion Pictures . It was beaten out for the top honors by the film " Rocky " however , and , for good reason : " Rocky " has the " emotive element " all wrapped up .

Word to Your Mother !


Jacky !

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 11:27:34 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

"Dog Day Afternoon" is one of my favorite films. However, using Elton's "Amoreena" during the opening credits has always puzzled me. Somehow that tune doesn't fit the theme of the movie so well. Nugent's "Dog eat Dog" would have been a better fit. Come to think of it, I think I'll need to see it again. Netflix to the rescue.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 11:26:17 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, South East of Hollywood

Joey, tell us more. I have Network on DVD, it is indeed a masterpiece.. don't forget that Lumet directed but the mighty Paddy Chayefsky (Altered States, and, er, Paint your Wagon) wrote it.

(and now I want to watch it again with DTMA in mind)

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 11:26:11 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, South East of Hollywood

Joey, tell us more. I have Network on DVD, it is indeed a masterpiece.. don't forget that Lumet directed but the mighty Paddy Chayefsky (Altered States, and, er, Paint your Wagon) wrote it.

(and now I want to watch it again with DTMA in mind)

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 11:06:57 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Well we have been looking into the obvious inspiration for Don't Take Me Alive, the Al Pacino film Dog Day Afternoon, having come to the conclusion that Dan lyrics may have more than a few allusions to Sidney Lumet's other films like Serpico, The Pawnbroker, Twelve Angry Men ......................."

I believe the inspiration comes from Lumet's 1976 Masterpiece " Network " .

Joey !

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 11:05:43 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Gretch - nice review girlfriend, good detail makes you feel like you were there. Applauding your sensitivity, thank you.

OK Peter, I'm thinking you're up to your old tricks and have co-opted the Shaun persona? His email is too funny. The El Supremo could be the cigar called El Supremo which is pretty cheap and stinky so the Glamour putz could smell it. So maybe a double meaning here of the drug czar smoking the cigar. 6:05 I think is P.M. cause most basketball games start at 7:30 and Hoops is scoring drugs, probably cocaine as I recall some pro basketball players from the 70s era thought they could use it as a performance enhancer(duh??!!). I know Karim Abdul-Jabbar and Darryl Dawkins aka Chocolate Thunder have given interviews where they mention it.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:53:16 ET
Posted by: The Truth, Hurts

10 year old = Meal Reviewer

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:50:31 ET
Posted by: Dbeefy, illegal fun ...

First of all, Hoops, if this is not something that you'd want appearing on the book please delete with my apologies - and I won't make the same request here again.

All this talk of Live Steely Dan (enjoy Roseland you lucky buggers. Someone please post all the info here so we can read it and weep) Ahem. Anyway, it has all has got me wondering where I might be able to obtain some , er, recordings of concerts. Not neccessarily from the EMG tour (but wouldn't it be nice?)

Now I'm not advocating ripping off the guys (I do own a complete collection of remastered Dan studio CDs, completely legit, bought and paid for, as I'm sure many of you do too!). Hell I even bought the Rosie Vela album (but have lost it in the mists of time) , but if anyone might point me to a web address or email me off the book it would be much appreciated.

thanks in advance, or whatever
Dbeefy

PS. Peter Q, well the secret is out. Hope this doesn't quite mean the end of the Sick Fruity Bitches. If I was wearing a (flat)hat, I'd take it off to you. Good on yer, it was a laugh.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:40:36 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

I hope everyone on the board gets a chance to click on Shaun's name and see what he left as an email address. Is this the kind of ten year old we want to be exchanging posts with here?

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:31:03 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

A beautiful evening in CT and a magnificent show by SD! Upon arriving at the Oakdale, I ran into Bigfan, a very articulate gentleman seeing his 5th show this tour. The whole band seemed more rested and energized, and gave a truly enthusiastic performance. Aja was magical as the opener, and I felt like a kid on Christmas morning! Home at Last was done beautifully, with a great change in tempo from the album. Walt has a great blues voice, and I loved his "Haitian Divorce" and the quirky little film clip going on in the background. Don was spotlighted in a some very moving solo intros to Josie and EMG, and during Carlock's drum solo on Josie, he was just looking up to the ceiling and smiling like he was in heaven! The horn section is just amazing, and the girls did a great job on Parker's Band. Setlist stayed the same, except for the inclusion of Gina and EMG. Don told everyone to drive home safely, and he's see us next time. I thought that was nice, kind of like something a good friend would say to you after an enjoyable evening. For me, seeing them is so uplifting that any of their songs are a true pleasure to see live. I encourage anyone who is contemplating Roseland to go - tomorrow is going to be a beautiful day, so let's all meet at the Novotel and celebrate the fact our favorite band is in the best form of their career, and it certainly seems like there's more to come!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:27:47 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Well we have been looking into the obvious inspiration for Don't Take Me Alive, the Al Pacino film Dog Day Afternoon, having come to the conclusion that Dan lyrics may have more than a few allusions to Sidney Lumet's other films like Serpico, The Pawnbroker, Twelve Angry Men, etc., but that's on hold now for further inquiry into Glamor ("Glamour") P. Specifically we are looking into the "observation nexus" of lines like "I detect the El Supremo/From the room at the top of the stairs" to "Watched from the darkness/While they danced" and "The trip we made to (on the website it says "in")Hollywood/Is etched upon my mind." The narrators in SD's California songs are often observers rather than participants, and we want to know why. (Look - if he's not quite one of the stars who come out at night, and he's not quite one of the poor people sleepin', who is he? What is he doing that he can detect the El Supremo? Why is in that kind of proximity?) Why does he worshipfy women who are quite clearly stars who come out @ night, like Jill St. John and Tuesday Weld?

Re: corporate greed, Dick Grasso just voluntarily gave up 48 mil in owed compensation. No Last Mall hangups!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 10:16:22 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Boy, I had a strange dream last night. I dreamt that for the next two days I'll be in nyc for two Steely Dan shows at Roseland and two amazing parties at Le Bar Bat! Holy shit! It wasn't a dream!

I wasn't supposed to make it to the show last night in Ct. I was able to get off work and scored a 19th row center seat. What a surprise to hear EMG! Unfortunately for me the two people in the row in front of me decided to have a conversation during the song. That figures. Why couldn't they start talking during Peg instead?

Did anyone at the show notice that really strange dude sitting in the third row. He brought every single Steely Dan record with him to the show. Every time Donald would start a song the guy would find which album the song was from and then proceed to hold the album high up in the air so Donald and Walter could see it. This guy was whacked! It was kind of funny at first but by the end of the show his act started getting really old. This guy was becoming almost as obnoxious as Peter Q.

See you all in about 30 hours!!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 09:58:41 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, still sleepwalking through the day

The recording I'm talking about is this one - a bootleg - reported to have Gaucho Outtakes on it, and Beau Bolero track. I'd be lying to you if I didn't say the quality is somewhat less than poor. As with all of these things I'm always afraid to talk about them because of the copyrights, etc. But this is a special case. I'm in Barkhamsted. The only person to say anything about the Boston Danfest Slang Me T was the usher close to our seats. She said she was looking at the web site yesterday and said she saw something about these Danfests but didn't know what they were all about:

http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_tour_reh76.htm

BTW

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 09:47:20 ET
Posted by: Honeybun,

'Honeybun, you haven't posted, where are you?'

Hi Gretchen, sorry I've not been saying much. Just been busy with work. Hope you have a ball at the gig, although I know that you and all the other Dan fans will, without a doubt! ;)

Take care

Honeybun

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 09:40:22 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

Hello My Steely Brothers and Sisters ....................


Well , I have just listened to " Everything Must Go " for the one hundredth time and I feel compelled to say this :

IT IS A MASTERPIECE .

An Absolutely amazing record and it now rates a SOLID A with the Joey .

Mark my words , the historians will regard it as Steely Dan's " Exile on Main Street " .

Joey !

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 08:59:28 ET
Posted by: Zim, still in Groovetime

BigFan-Was looking for you and your Slang Me shirt last night, but no luck. Wasn't this show amazing? Where in NW CT are you-I am too. Not sure where your seats were but the folks around us were into the music big time-not what I'd call a mellow crowd in the least.

Now where did you get a Beau Bolero tape? Went to the show last night with one of it's band members. Gosh, the world seems to be getting smaller!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 08:59:24 ET
Posted by: Kram, VT

REPORTING FROM OAKDALE
Not much change in the set-EMG and LUNCH w/gina,were stellar- not impressed by beckers rendition of H-Divorce...fell flat and a tad lifeless on the playing- the key change and singing it an octave down is a fine, but no points-
Oakdale is a lovely venue, i mean REAL nice, i was suprised they let people drink in their seats, that was a little strange...handful of party people were way to bombed to remember the show - why would anyone ever do that?
Back to the show- highlights
Black Cow - Rippin - Rock solid
Carlock- that solo (both my friend and I are musicians) and i am a drummer so i was playing close attention..it was like a man possesed-
so lyrical and musical- he was born to be a drummer, normally when u go that far "outside" , it is very difficult to get back in, but he was "there" and pulled it off - i mean drum solos are like "yeah, whatever...bang bang boom boom..but this guy - ouch
The hits - hey 19-Josie-peg - despite thinking they would be tired they were beautiful and full of energy
The encores were fine - FM was nice and punchy
Shit- i could go on, but it is my last show so lets just say it was worth driving from VT to Oakdale and getting home at 3 and then up at 6-...best part...we had balcony seats,and after scoping the venue- i wanted closer.. so i worked my tail off and "closed" (i had to go thru 3 different managers) them on upgrading us to the 7th row center- they are called the "emergency seats" - that was kool
Hoops if you're reading- you have created a way hip universe of intellectual and wacky dan heads - thanks... - keep posting dan bro's and sis's- anyone who loves these guys as much as i do is, always gonna be a friend of mine- take care till next tour

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 08:40:56 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - but just barely

Oakdale thoughts:
My 5th and last show. No online reviews yet – possibly tomorrow.
Now this what a Steely Dan show should be – only 60 minute door to door and very plush comfortable seats. As we entered the venue, who’s standing there but Pete and Shari. Do they only attend the best concerts or does the band play better when they are there? Those of you going to Le Bar Bat are in for a real treat – Pete has some very special guests planned.

We got to meet the State Police Officer who they met at the State Fair show and bought everyone drinks. It’s a small world.

Started later than usual – 20 minutes – perhaps because of the late arriving crowd. Very well dressed crowd.

Ran into Gretchen while getting a beer – she was dressed impeccably and is really nice to talk to.

Full frisk to get in – asked if I was carrying any weapons.

This is a very small venue – imagine a large movie theater. Hence the $99.50 ticket cost for the best seats. Walt made a comment during the intros that this was a “beautiful little theater”.

Certainly the most comfortable seats on the tour – AC – and the weather outside was perfect – a top 5 day around here. Very enjoyable.

Band was very sharp and crisp and except for a little feedback during Bab Sisters the sound was really good.

Donald took a little more time between each song – unlike Saratoga - and made side comments. Talked about the second show in CT and how he made some un PC comments at the last show (this was in reference to the native Americans)

Intros – same thing they spent some additional time – much more relaxed. The days off must have rejuvenated them

Unfortunately the girls wore the same red tops and black skirts they wore at Tweeter and Manchester. They look a little faded.

Hairstyle change for Cynthia.

Crowd was really into it – gave a standing O for Aja – right at the start a first for the concerts I’ve been to.

Loved Lunch with Gina – but you could tell most of the crowd didn’t know what to think. I’d guess less than half had ever heard it – unless you bought the CD – you’d never hear it – no radio play.

Jane we missed you and Al!

Those of you going to Roseland are in for a treat – wish I could go.

Whoever was talking about the Beau Bolero recording – I’m sure I have a copy – I’m in NW CT as well. Email me if you want a copy.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 03:53:48 ET
Posted by: Fanofdan, Shellharbour, Australia

Shaun

I agree with you about the Mohegan Sun show. There were two empty seats in Section 6; Row E after the 1st set only because Scotty and I snookered two empty VIP seats in the 6th Row, other than that the place looked pretty full from where I was sitting.

To Pete Fogal and the lovely Shari, SouthofHollywood, Danfiend,
Little Wild One, Steveedan and the Pretzel Logic Band, Randall, Nancy & Iggy, Ed_Beaty, Sandy ( thanks again for the ticket upgrade at Jones Beach ), Lady Bayside, Aussie Torres, YGK, Gretchen,
Jane Lighting and Al and not forgetting Mr Sam (you are the man!) and anyone else I may have forgotten.

Once again thankyou for making our trip to your country and our first Steely Dan concerts ( 5 in all ) a most memorable experience.

The Danfests and after parties we attended were unreal. You people certainly know how to have a good time. Your hospitality and generosity was unbelievable.

Hoops, thankyou for providing this forum for without it we would not have been able to meet you all and put a faces behind the names.

For me personally it was fantasy that became reality.
28 years was definitely too long to wait.

For those of you going to the Roseland shows this weekend I wish I could be there with you as it sounds like it is going to be a blast.

Yes, I’ am jealous but bring on * HAWAII *, 4 weeks and counting, see you there !

Alan

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 03:50:15 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

"...What was so amazing to me was that it was THEM and that it was LIVE and that I was THERE."

You said it BwaySteve !!!!!!!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 02:59:27 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, back from the show

I am weary from the drive back from Oakdale but man, that was a show. I was expecting the band to look tired but they seemed energized and Donald was uncharacteristically chatty, almost bubbly.I couldn't have chosen a better setlist. There was a relaxed flow to this show which I think had a lot to do with the warmth of the room, which was acknowleged by Fagan.This venue is in a picturesque setting and the huge interior space adjacent to the theater allows for real socializing before the show .I think that contributed to creating a wonderful vibe in the room.
I sang along with the beer drinking fogies and felt extremely high.
The lyrics didn't seem so cold, the band was not so obnoxiously tight as on the records.
What was so amazing to me was that it was THEM and that it was LIVE and that I was THERE.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:56:19 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

That's funny...I was at Moheagen Sun and the place was packed! Low attendence? Not at that show.

ROSELAND ONE DAY!!!!!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:44:15 ET
Posted by: Sparky, China

The Glamour Profession discussion this week has led me to some relistening.

If 'local boys' are spending a quarter to shine the 'silver bowl'...then how much is the quarter ? Is it $250 for an eight ball ?

And maybe if I were Hoops I wouldn't want to be scoring anywhere near the arena, where people might know me. Why not a stadium (Coliseum, Rose Bowl, etc.) And that 6:05...is it morning or night ?

On the music side....try to isolate the bass line and listen to it all the way through. It's something -- the drums are straight ahead but the bass really roams. There's a lot going on in the song, and I wonder if the bass is downplayed in the mix so that the soft horns and keyboards set the mood, which is dreamy...with the steady drum pulse to push it all forward.

Thanks again to those who took this song apart in recent days and caused me to look at it again.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:41:31 ET
Posted by: norm, over substance

Sorry to hear about the low turnouts. Could be the unfortunate but inevitable result of the low profile they're keeping this time around. Doing Letterman's show might not have had been such a bad idea. Anyway, they'll be back in Los Angeles in three weeks. Ya mo be there!

Man with no face - which are the "last two" songs you're referring to? That's interesting if you interpret Time Out Of Mind as being about a child - especially given what it means to chase the dragon. But that's the fun of these songs, everyone gets what they want out of 'em.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:41:30 ET
Posted by: The Bending End, RI

My premonition posted September 3rd @ 20:23:

"Looking forward to Oakdale on 9/10. I'll certainly be anticipating some sort of set change. I keep thinking they're going to open with EMG."

...came damn close to being on the mark. Instead, they opened the second set with EMG! After The SD Show, of course, and in place of Janie Runaway. No other changes to the set list being used at the close of Leg I.

Highlights for me were Aja, Black Cow, Home At Last, EMG, Kid Charlemagne, Don't Take Me Alive, and My Old School. WB's vocals worked well on Slang, and he played well throughout the show. Herrington and Carlock shine. DF was very mobile, moving about the stage, singing while standing, playing that melodica thing, or whatever it's called. I think he sang a misplaced line on Josie, but, as my piano teacher recommends, just plowed ahead without drawing attention to it. Or maybe he didn't realize it had happened.

This is the only show I've been to on this tour, and I saw just one show on the Y2K tour at Great Woods, so I don't have much to compare it to, but my impression was that the Oakdale crowd was somewhat subdued. It looked like sort of an upscale Connecticut crowd. Everybody did seem into it for My Old School, but the show was practically over by then.

Overall, a very good show. Is this the first night four songs from EMG were done in one show? And none from TvN?
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Let us remember those we lost two years ago. A high school acquaintance of mine died at the Pentagon. I'm sure some of you probably lost someone closer.

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:38:50 ET
Posted by: kidcharlemagnesfez, gardner mass.

Wow,forth show in five weeks!!! How much more can a human endure!!! just kidding,great venue for the band as well as the crowd, every seat was great in the place, will look into future shows at oakdale very pleasant time,somebody has got to find out what the hell keith carlock ate as a kid!!,this guy is amazing,just always on,loved hearing "everything must go" seriously looking into flights to vegas,for me that would be the capper on this spectacular summer,prayers are out to all connected to 9/11,gods speed....kcf

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 01:23:11 ET
Posted by: Paul Bunyan, Boston

Great show. Great Crowd. I didn't see many, if any empty seats in the orchestra sections... Setlist the same, except - Janie Runaway out - Everything Must Go - in. Lunch w/ Gina also still in.

Wouldn't mind seeing Deacon Blues, Bad Sneakers, Pretzel Logic worked in at Roseland... the crowd last night definitely would have ate up another song or two during encore. Give us more!!

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Date: Thurs, September 11, 2003, 00:22:32 ET
Posted by: Zim, Groovetime

Wow. What a show. Walter was groovin unbelievable. I'd like to think there would have been a 3rd encore song had the venue given us a chance. The crowd was unbelievable and the band was just fueling off of it.

As for the set list, WuDuF said don't tell! Gretchen-you going to tell everyone what they played or just shall we just tease them about how damn good those songs sounded?

continuing to be amazed-Zim

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 21:15:23 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Not that you should leave your kids home alone or whatever, but if you have any last minute thoughts about whether you should come to NYC and Roseland this weekend, consider this story.

Before the last SD shows at Roseland, in 1995, I had been up pretty much every other night working on projects and a building opening ceremony. There was no way I was gonna come. And then the night before, Pete Fogel asked me if I was coming. Of course, living about 15 hours from NYC at the time (between Chicago and St Louis) and having worked like crazy, I said "no way." Well, on 24 hours notice, Pete talked me into coming, explaining how great it was going to be, like I wouldn't believe or imagine. I got a good night's sleep and pretty much drove non-stop, arriving at noon the day of the show. It rained a downpour all the way from Illinois to NYC.

And damn, if Pete wasn't more that right. It was all worth it and more It was one of the best times I ever had in my life. SImply, fucking amazing.

Then I turned around and went straight back home for work.

So if you are on the fence, DO IT! GO TO ROSELAND! This time will be even more amazing than '95.


http://www.dandom.com/danfests/nyc

jim

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 20:16:59 ET
Posted by: THEFEZ98, 9/11 - Dr. Wu

Dr. Wu,

You jogged my memory of 'where were you on 9/11'. I had a job over at Boston University and driving in from the burbs had a roughy hour + commute. I too was in a cocoon listening to SD on CD (specifically 'West of Hollywood' - sax cranking) when my wife called roughly 9:30am as I was getting close to the school with the words 'Do you know what's going on in the world?'. The rest is (unfolding) history.

God bless the families effected and let's look forward, not backwards.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 20:12:01 ET
Posted by: THEFEZ98, Show Attendance

My wife and I have been to 2 shows on the tour (Great Woods/Mohegan Sun) and both seemed sparsely attended. It appears that's been the case for a number of venues. Oh well, easier to sneak up to 4th row center and get backstage (like we did at Mohegan) and more beer for us. Seriously, any thoughts on this out there. I'm somewhat surprised based on the quality of the new record. Although I think it comes down to people not realizing SD still makes records and danmn good ones at that. You're average Joe and Sally see the ad for an SD show and think it's just another '70's revival.

P.S. Enjoy Roseland you bastards!!!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 18:46:47 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Joey:
You're right, Simon and GHarfunkel have had a pretty tension-filled relationship. But not going to get too into their motives--should be an interesting show. Now here's a Steely Dan connection to the tour (from artgarfunkel.com

"Paul and Art will perform songs both acoustically and with a full 7-piece band (including Warren Bernhardt on piano) from their impressive repertoire. "

Warren was, of course, the pianist and musical director on the 93 SD tour.

jim

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 17:14:06 ET
Posted by: Doctor Wu, Biscayne Bay

Tomorrow is a very sad day as we all know. Not to put a damper on the mood here as this is a great place to talk the Dan, but it applies in my case and I'm sure other folks have things to say as well.

I remember driving to work that day and decided to listen to some Katy Lied instead of the radio. So while everything unfolded, I was shrouded and kept comfortable by D&W. When I arrived at work, a guy came out of the building with a radio and said to me "trouble in paradise." The second plane had just hit the tower and everything was chaos. I remember driving home that day at about 11am and seeing the smoke from the towers (I am about 40 miles from NYC).

I remember the sadness felt over those next few days/weeks/months, and I found myself turning to D&W to keep me up and going. I think the SD web site said it well when the entry page had the small pin that said "I love NY" - only the heart that represented "love" was cracked.

My friend's cousin died that day; another good friend just made it out alive, and saved someone elses life. Another former colleague was supposed to be on Flight 93, but because she had just gotten laid off, she decided to cancel her trip out West.

God Bless the families and friends of the victims of that tragic day.

Doctor Wu

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 17:09:46 ET
Posted by: Man with no face,

Catching up after being out of town...

First, in Blues Beach the outtro line is: "The CONDO is tall". There may be something about our friend "big dog" in there too.

Some thoughts about Glamour Profession - "I", the narrator, in addition to the entourage member responsible for the pharmaceuticals, could be a personification of the lifestyle itself, as if the alcohol or cocaine or general decadence and debauchery could speak.

"Hollywood
I know your middle name
Who inspires your fabled fools
That's my claim to fame"

He's inspired John Huston and Bill Holden. Now the professional athlete has reached pop culture stardom (and the free agent market) and has the money for the hangers-on, entourages, and the "posse" we associate with NBA stars. "Brut"[e] and charisma. Today we have Alan Iverson saying "I know thugs, and Kobe Bryant ain't no thug". The irony is delicious.

I'll further contend that the trip to Barbados and the Celluloid Bikers are not Hoops and his entourage. They are somebody else unnamed. Rock Stars, Movie Stars, it doesn't matter. The point is that he, the narrator, is there. Driving the Chrysler (which along with the Caddy, was the long black limo of the era), watching from the "darkness". He is what Jive Miguel is bringing in from Bogota.

Anyway, Gaucho the album and GP show the depth and maturity they reached. Rather than throwing it out there and ranting about it a la Showbiz Kids or Razor Boy, they just observe it (to a disco beat noless) and point out "living hard will take its toll". They do the same in Babylon Sisters, Hey 19, and Gaucho (with its wonderful Dr. Wu style "I'm addressing myself" construction). TOOM is a little more oblique, but more of the same. I read the last two songs as being about kids, a baby and a five year oldish boy (as anybody who's had one can attest).

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 16:53:01 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hoops - OK I stand corrected. Now cmon, what did Charlap say?

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 16:43:33 ET
Posted by: Jamie Hernandez, Detroit

Excellent show in Detoit (Pine Knob). I was personally disappointed and humiliated by the lack of attendance. Nice night, nice weather, great new album - I just don't get why the crowd was so sparse. DF's singing was especially good that night. Keith Carlock blew us away. Please don't let that small crowd discourage you from coming back.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 16:32:23 ET
Posted by: hoops,

Rajah:
Huh? I didn't banish Meal Reviewer. I 'm suggesting that he give it a rest. Fact is, I did spend a lot of time in the past week supporting him in private emails and discussion here; more specifically, I suppoort people being able to express their SD inspired writings. BUT... Do you realize I wroite 39 emails and posts about Meal Reviewer this week? Instead of composing this message and others like it, I wouuld have much rather spent the time working in the Digest, passing along word about the Roseland and other Danfests, and putting up pics from recent Danfests. Instead I spent that time on Meal Reviewer-related discussion. My point to Meal Reviewer is, OK, you made your point, I even helped you make it. Back down a bit so I have time for what's really important.

You know, about 2-3 months ago, Peter Q and I discussed how he didn't like anons posting stuff. (Hey, name another chat board or guestbook where the facilitator pays a lot of money, doesn't charge and also phone calls the contributer when he thinks there might be a concern or misunderstanding.) So after discussing that, Peter, having my phone number and all, can't even at least privately know who he is in disguise.

Put it to you another way, Rajah. I'm getting ready for my trip to NYC tomorrow. I had hoped to find time to write about Bill Charlap and my chat with him last night where he talked about SD and otherwise. Instead I used the past 20 minutes to respond some more about Meal Reviewer. Does that demonstrate the point ? Ha-ha. That Meal Reviewer is funny. My apols to HeyMike, BTW.

Don't get me wrong, Peter Q is good guy who means well and so are others like Shaun and HeyMike, etc for that matter. But my point is that this is becoming more of a timewaster in ways that aren't obvious. That's why I have been asking and emailing, could we please drop the NR thing for a while? It woulud be a great and no-charge way of supporting me. I appreciate it.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 16:21:24 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Jason - I agree that the Rock & Soul era, roughly 91-92, was the catalyst for these last two albums and tours as Steely Dan.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 16:21:10 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, getting ready for the show tonight!!!!!!!!

Hello Dandom:
Peter, I'm shocked to hear you're Meali!! You seem like such an intellectual. You are too f****** funny-can't wait to meet you at Roseland. I will miss the reports on Ronald Fagen, however.
To all the CT kids going to the show tonight, I'll be milling around early, I'll have the "Aja" wrap on-you can't miss it. People may think I'm nuts, but whatever.
My seat is on Don's side of the stage!! I'll be in seventh heaven world!!
Honeybun, you haven't posted, where are you?

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 15:46:22 ET
Posted by: Jason, on the 48 hour countdown

I was going through the CD rack the other day and examining many of the ticket stubs from shows that are now jammed into the jewel cases and I came across a good one. All I can say is thank god for the New York Rock & Soul Revue. Right or wrong but I've viewed that album and subsequent tour as the catalyst for all the SD activities that followed. This includes the great shows last time at the Roseland and the ones I'm anxiously awaiting now. Woo Hoo. It's going to be a wing-ding. If anyone should need extra tickets to Saturday nights show I have a pair I'm willing to sell below cost. I'll be staying at the Novotel across the street on Sat night so if interested email me. See many of you this weekend. Can't wait!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 15:05:16 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter Q, you sneak you, - I have a message from Barna: "Meali e mi is caput, totalmente. Swim back to mi countri now. Adios."

Hoopster - how can you banish Meali, he's like our comic strip.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 15:02:24 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, At work - getting ready to go

I'm with you ZIM - I'm getting ready for the Oakdale show. Weather couldn't be better. I'll buy you a beer if we meet up there. I'm wearing my Slang Me T from the Boston DanfestAfter the lousy summer weather of rain, rain rain, we are getting truly a week of top 10 weather days in a row. Can't wait for the new set list, very small venue - should be great.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 14:36:19 ET
Posted by: Zim, chilling on the deck

I know there's lots of excitement going on around here about Roseland this weekend and all the festivites, but the air here in Connecticut is crisp and clean and full of electricity with leg two opening here in just under 5 hours! I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve...

WuDuF-Sure wish I could have got you to swing north this morning instead of south, it just so damn gorgeous on the deck right now, you'd be groovin it!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 14:32:45 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" Simon and Garfunkel is touring again. They start at the Palace of Auburn Hills but no other dates have been listed until Monday "

Exactly ! No Exact dates but just look at all the cities :

" Simon & Garfunkel Set To Embark On

Old Friends: The 2003 Concert Tour

Cities Scheduled for Concerts "

S&G TOUR CITIES
Auburn Hills, Michigan
Cleveland, Ohio
Columbus, Ohio
Chicago, Illinois
St. Paul, Minnesota
Denver, Colorado
Seattle, Washington
Portland, Oregon
San Jose, California
Oakland, California
Las Vegas, Neveda
Phoenix, Arizona
St. Louis, Missouri
St. Louis, Missouri
Sacramento, California
Anaheim, California
San Diego, California
Los Angeles, California
Atlantic City, New Jersey
Hartford, Connecticut
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
New York City
Philadelphia, Pensylvania
East Rutherford, New Jersey
Boston, Massachussetts
Washington, DC
Sacramento, California
Anaheim, California
San Diego, California
Atlanta, Georgia
Tampa, Florida,
Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

My Steelian Kin .....THAT is THE Definition of a CASH GRAB !
Those two HATE each other -- PERIOD !

Joey !

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 13:36:59 ET
Posted by: CeeTee, Hell's Kitchen

Hey kids,

Psyched as hell to find these boards and finally post after a bit o' lurkage. Stunned was I to find that tix were still available for Roseland as of this very week, so up to Irving Plaza did I go, braved the Goth Army, overcame my financial acumen and scored a tickie for each night sans the TicketBastard charge. :P I knew I would ultimately be disappointed by myself if I were to pass up this chance of a lifetime to see my heroes in such a lovely small venue. The Dan have been part of my lifeblood since youngness, and that's not a short while ago. Meanwhile, the wife is buggin', as we attended at Jones Beach not so long ago. I tryin' to splain... she is a good woman so all is Dan-dy. :)

Will try and connect at various Danfestful activity as I can. Please be gentle to a balding guy in glasses w/a 2vN shirt (ok I promise not to wear it both nights). Cannot wait to see what surprises may be in store at these shows. Just the prospect of hearing "Gina" is thrilling - I have to admit it's one of the faves. But I did enjoy TIMTM -- just the ssibilance of 'the sexxx' line is one of my favorite moments of the album. The funky Green Book would also be appreciated -- EMG would be the pinnacle however -- soooo laid back!

Last time I hit Roseland was for another groovefest, laid on by the Neville Bros. I can't wait to be at a Steely show where people actually DANCE! Me, I can't stop movin', singin' and gesturing. Meanwhile, peeps around think I'm some sorta freek. *sigh* It was that way at the 2k show, but at least ppls danced at the end. At the Beach in the 2nd level, we sat the whole time. WTF!? At least ONE person broke out a doobie. Gah -- those days are gone forever, over a long time ago!

Setlist-wise, I am digging it all -- any Dan is good Dan, and so it is true and is written. Almost impossible to resist dishing about it though, so: smack-for-smack, the 2k tour serviced me personally a little mo' better, as there was more of the rockin' era Dan in addition to much of the best of the later funkified era (lots of Gaucho especially). I mean, The Boston Rag, Night By Night, shuh -- I was floored. Likewise floored this time when they dug out Caves(!) and Haitian Divorce, which was my personal highlight. Which is not to say I don't LOVE Aja and Gaucho - I do. But as a guitarist, I always sort of pine for some more of the earlier days' sound. Surprised to hear Janie Runaway, but that was the 2nd 'single' (wasn't it) from 2vsN, so I suppose they are hoping it'll be more familiar to the less schooled fans. Yet I don't find it one of the more inspiring live choices that could be taken from that record - I'd prefer "Gaslighting Abbie" or "Two Against Nature" itself - now I'm sure all would agree that would be da bomb.

Madly disappointed by the heathen crowds in general (as opposed to the true faithful) as their shoulders slump in disappointment at the new stuff, and at choices like Caves, Parker's Band... ack -- theys were the cuts what was the deepest! Get w/the program! So natch me envisages da boyz D+F are quietly scornful, delegating the signature gtr parts to Herington (which he handles INCREDIBLY well - he's my hero) and cranking out the same 5 Big Hitz at the end as they did last time. Yep, that's what pays the bills. Yet it is of course a dream-come-true to hear Josie into Kid C into DTMA. And I will never stop wanting to hear 19, although I know others feel differently! :) Sublime guitar, sublime chord changes...ahh... that one always presses my buttons.

Wishlist... things like Any Major Dude, Rose Darling, Razor Boy, stuff from Kamakiriad or 11 TOW, and more of the new stuff.

ciao fer now,

CeeTee

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 13:21:13 ET
Posted by: DJ, Chicago

Well, I for one I'm bummed that Meal has reveled himself. I loved the mystery. Thanks Peter Q for a couple months of humor. I still crack up thinking about the Ronald Fage Windfly tape in the wind pip.

So, onto Leg II and debating what if any shows are feasible for me, I am so jealous of everyone going to the Roseland shows.

dj

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 13:05:05 ET
Posted by: normy,

from Yes, (Right norm)

<< "Can't believe everything we read in books"

Especially Brian Sweet's book!>>


Indeed!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 11:59:01 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Peter Q.:
With words like "Puleeze" and "Sigh" and your need to be understood and similar posts, this crossed my mind: have you considered that you posess an "inner diva?" It will be great seeing you, Shaun and everyone else later this week. Can't wait.

Now that the mystery of "Who is Meal Reviewer" has been resolved, I'm glad we will be putting that character to rest (hint-hint). Between the beginning of classes and getting ready for the rest of the shows, the whole thread and debate it generated has been a real distraction from SD and othere wise in terms of private emails I've been sent about it, etc. Glad I'm going to be recovering that time. Thanks in advance.

Simon and Garfunkel is touring again. For some reason I have this impression that our heroes are pals with Simon. Or maybe not. "Graceland" is still one of my favorite albums of all time, but of couse they will be playing little solo stuff. They start at the Palace of Auburn Hills but no other dates have been listed until Monday.

While at PaulSimon.com, I found this link about Steve Gadd being honored at the American Drummer Achievement Awards this Saturday at Berklee. Guess that means Paul Simon won't be at Roseland.

http://paulsimon.com/news_sgadd.html

Bill Charlap was amazing last night. I briefly spoke with him telling him how everyone was blown away at his guest spot at "Godwhacker" a few weeks ago at Jones Beach; HE was blown away that we all loved it so much.

I picked up "Gaucho" on SACD/CD hybrid last weekend and was blown away. Kind of repeating what will be in the next Dandom Digest, I don't have a SACD player but the CD mix is a sonic improvement above the 2000 remaster--IMHO.

With my car CD player being a standard/vanilla issue version from Saturn with MB Quart speakers, I wasn't expecting much. In fact, given it's finickiness, I was expecting that the player would eject the new hybrid disc as being too new of a format. Boy was I surprised.

Not only did my car stereo play it, it sounded AMAZINGLY GREAT! In fact, there is a noticeable difference between the 2000 re-master of "Gaucho" and this new version--and that's just on a standard CD player. The sound is sound much warmer yet defined. I'm really impressed, and it's especially noticeable at points like the opening drum roll to "Babylon Sisters, during "You Got To Shake It Baby, " shit, the whole album. A huge difference.

If you shop around, you can find this SACD/CD hybrid version of "Gaucho" in the USA for only $2.00 more than the regular version, although it is hard to find. GO GET IT! AMAZING!

But wait! If you don't need CD-player or SACD compatibility, wait until later this fall when MCA/Universal releases a DVD-A of "Gaucho." Of course, you will need DVD-Audio player for the COMPLETE DVD Audio experience. but it will play on any DVD player including the one in your PC or Mac--but not in a CD-Audio player.


30 hours until I leave for NYC and Roseland. Can't wait.

jim

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 11:58:07 ET
Posted by: Abu2,

.........stumbled upon this Website.....saying hi to other Danfans....interesting discussions....

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 11:47:22 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" But the Glamour Profession guy, let's call him ah...Joey, for example, is the consumate schmuck. (kidding punkin) Just an arrogant, schitzoid crime monkey tooling around his rented Chrysler in the barbados on a drug deal. And the cheesy send-up disco riffs that sound vaguely like accordians behind it all. And you can dance, it's a very under-rated tune. "

I would like to nuzzle you .

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 11:33:52 ET
Posted by: Yes, Right norm

"Can't believe everything we read in books"

Especially Brian Sweet's book!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 11:20:57 ET
Posted by: norm,

PQ, I wasn't trying to "flame" (jeez), I was simply disagreeing with the assessment that they failed as staff songwriters, as they did in fact get a few songs released by other people, one of them being a major artist, and to do it within their first six months in LA is actually pretty good. Considering it was never their main goal anyway, they didn't do so badly. Unless you mean aesthetic success, then yeah, their writing did improve when they wrote for themselves, but they were writing good songs already in New York.

Again, who wrote that book you quoted? Because their claim that none of this material got released isn't quite what happened, is it? Can't believe everything we read in books...

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 10:01:20 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Peter Q = Meal Reviewer

Doesn't that figure.

ROSELAND TWO DAYS!!!

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 08:00:46 ET
Posted by: Ex-Resident of Hell, The Right Coast

"I have an old radio interview (Mary Turner I believe) where Skunk Baxter is telling a story how Donald liked to drive in back of Baxter to and from the studio because Donald loved the way Skunk's car looked from behind. I'm not making this up folks."

" I'm sorry, but something about that sounds...just wrong. I'm not going to think about that anymore. *shudders* "

I heard that radio interview when I lived in L.A., back in the Dark Ages (about 1974). Think it was on KMET. At the time I laughed so hard I spilled my pink champagne on ice.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 06:35:55 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Norm...sigh...please read the posts before you flame. I didn't say they failed in the music business. I said they failed as staff songwriters. This is like the sixth time I've been misquoted on the board in one day. Puhleeeeeeze.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 02:14:02 ET
Posted by: norm, yet again

One more thing re: Glamour Profession - yeah, I know they don't play basketball in Dodger Stadium. But "Hoops" could just be a nickname for the guy buying drugs (or whoever/whatever the "special delivery" is). Maybe he doesn't even play pro basketball, he could just be a flunky for the real high roller in the scenario. And Becker/Fagen have been known (by their own admission) to stick private jokes into their lyrics, which leaves everything up for grabs.

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 02:11:39 ET
Posted by: suedave, needing to skip dimensions

Rajah: I am in the middle of reading an article in Relix magazine about the Allman Brothers Band - says Duane only played slide for 2 years - '69 - 71 when he died. Derek Trucks has been playing for 10 years! I'll be seeing them later this month and based on comments here, it sounds like it'll be a great show.

Stella, Donald said in an interview he bought a Mercedes. I'd guess he drives.

PQ & DACW - you are totally into it. not sure what it is, but you are in another place. fortunately you are welcome in this world. I wish I had time to read it all but nonetheless it's good to see deep discussions of older songs. Maybe when it all slows down we can overanalyze lyrics starting from CBAT, but with all the knowledge we've gained. Bet it'll be rare when we can all agree on exactly what is meant. that's what I like about many Steely Dan songs. Each time you hear a song you have to question what is meant.

I haven't seen a show since the Gorge...but I'm getting ready for Roseland! Don't know if I will peek at the set lists or not. I'm leaning towards not, but don't know if I can stick to that. Kinda like going on a diet.

Susan

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Date: Wed, September 10, 2003, 01:58:34 ET
Posted by: Laina, *stunned*

"I have an old radio interview (Mary Turner I believe) where Skunk Baxter is telling a story how Donald liked to drive in back of Baxter to and from the studio because Donald loved the way Skunk's car looked from behind. I'm not making this up folks."

I'm sorry, but something about that sounds...just wrong. I'm not going to think about that anymore. *shudders*

PeterQ...please tell me that you're not Meal Reviewer. I am so disappointed now...trolls are so much more fun than alter egos. *sigh*

Crestfallen,

Laina...no love for you!

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 23:58:56 ET
Posted by: n,

...also, I don't think a mere six months of frustration qualifies as failure in the music biz, especially when it was followed by a Top 10 hit before the year was out. I've watched many talented people here struggle for 20 years or more and not even come close to what D+W achieved in their first year in Los Angeles. Their Brill Building days were far worse.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 23:42:07 ET
Posted by: norm,

Peter Q - they probably picked the word "stadium" instead of "arena" because it scans better in that particular line. Or maybe they were referring to LA Dodger Stadium, where music concerts occasionally take place - not that there'd be any hard drugs and heavy partying on the pro sports scene...!

Who wrote that Guide To Steely Dan book you quoted? D+W might not have been too thrilled writing songs for other performers, but to say that none of those efforts made it to vinyl simply isn't true. There weren't a lot, but definitely more than none.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 23:01:13 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

PQ-

What you say: "in Black Cow the narrator is not her significant other at all" is plausible, even likely. Could also be that "precious one" is what she affectionately calls this poor sap who sits up with her all night while she confesses her guilt, shame and sorrow over slutty behavior.

He wants her to straighten out, love him and fulfill his dreams, but she just views him as "a dear friend." I really don't think he's "getting any" ...

But there likely is an old flame, or some other root cause of her running around. Or she just may need help in those pre-Prozac days.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 22:44:24 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

PeterQ/MealR-

Well, then I'm glad to learn you do have a sense of humor! You are undoubtedly proud to have the two alter egos that have both annoyed the largest group of Blue Book readers for several weeks. No miserable failure you!!

Maybe you can let the Meal personality out for a while and ask the PeterQ personality to do a few weeks of research on the Britney/Christina debate...? (But do bring him back -- seriously.)



Songwriter question: Do labels have "staff writers" any more? Maybe in Nashville? Despite their abject failure, weren't D&W also coming in as the staff writer world was ending?

(Missing track from EMG?: Third World Man blows up Brill Building)

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 22:43:11 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Raj, you should go back over the July postings to see whose theory it is that "in the corner of my eye" in those two songs is the same couple. Shame on you!

Which brings up another point...in Black Cow the narrator is not her significant other at all but her bimboy, like the narrator of Dirty Work. The "precious one" that she staggers home to is her main squeeze, not the narrator. It's over between the main dude and her, and she cries to the narrator about it - it's not over between her and the narrator. This is why "I'm the one" links the two, because the narrator is situated on the sidelines, involved, but not INVOLVED, half in and half out, wishing he had never gotten mixed up with these people. With all due respect,I think Crack Whore's and Rajah's exposition is just making this an early version of Bright Lights, Big City or Less Than Zero. The Carib Cannibal thing is highly reminscient of the yacht trip in Antonioni's film L'Avventurra, which we know B&F are fascinated with. (Lately at some shows Ted Baker has been introduced as "Michaelangelo Antonioni.")

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 22:20:24 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv, brown sugar and cinnamon

Peter Q - My sincere apologies; re-reading your post and shifting the emphasis helped reveal the intent. I don't necessarily agree with you or your tone (i.e. statements like "miserable failures" and ""My Dream Set List" type postings" [putting down a whole other set of people who don't include me]... could you *be* any more condescending?), but I did mistake what you were saying about D & W intent as a dig at them personally.

I stand corrected.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:58:40 ET
Posted by: Meal Reviewer, Cali

Es la verdad baby!

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:57:00 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Ha, Pivotal Pete, I am Meal Reviewer! Fooled you all! And you can have Hoops verify it by my ISP if you want.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:53:45 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Re being miserable failures as staff songwriters, from The Complete Guide to the Music of Steely Dan, p. 8-" Once they settled in California, Becker and Fagen were given an office with a piano where they began to write songs for artists such as The Grass Roots, Tommy Roe and Three Dog Night. They wrote a song called 'Tell Me A Lie' for The Grass Roots but it was never recorded - in fact none of their efforts ever made it to vinyl: although Becker and Fagen had no problem with the melodies or harmonies, they couldn't help inserting a weird angle to the lyrics. After six months of conitnual rejection and frustration, they called some of their friends back East and asked them to come to Calofornia and start a band so they could record some of their unrecorded material." So who among us doesn't regard six months of rejection as failure????? Right here is the genesis of Show Biz Kids, Glamour P., etc.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:51:43 ET
Posted by: pivotal pete, california

<<Six - oh - five, out-side the Sports Ah-Ree-Nah>>

Kinda swings!!

(Meal, amigo, save us from more PQ pontification!!)

GP is a master-freaking-piece!

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:42:44 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

OK there Shaun, in re-reading I see that Crack Whore made the remark that Fagen doesn't drive, not me, so let's see you spit venom at him you silly little weenie.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:41:23 ET
Posted by: Zim,

21 hours 50 minutes until Oakdale! Watch for the balloons from the balcony!

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 21:36:20 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Let's see...afoolnluv, go back and read the post correctly before you start flaming. I clearly said the buffoonish gaffe of "stadium" was deliberately inserted by B&F to make the narrator seem bufoonish. Maybe you need to stick to "My Dream Set List" type postings there, Pop Tart.

Shaun - I didn't say Donald Fagen doesn't drive, where did you read that? I can't wait till Hoops boots you off this board. Did you have the courage to email him like he requested you do? You don't even leave a email address when you post, lollipop.

So where is the "stadium" in LA where Hoops McCann played? Anybody?????

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:55:26 ET
Posted by: norm, still hangin'

"miserable failures as staff songwriters at ABC"

Not entirely true either. Getting a song on a Barbra Streisand album is hardly small-time action. Probably paid their rent for a few months.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:39:13 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, 3 weeks outta the rehab

Misheard lyrics number 1156...


talked about films and Chosen CD's , dont know what else

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:24:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Like duuhhhh! Of course Fagen drives--A KAMAKIRI !!!!

Off to see Charlap perform in a little while.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:21:55 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

I have an old radio interview (Mary Turner I believe) where Skunk Baxter is telling a story how Donald liked to drive in back of Baxter to and from the studio because Donald loved the way Skunk's car looked from behind. I'm not making this up folks.

In Rolling Stone magazine (from 1977?) Fagen talks about racing his 280Z on the LA freeway.

So there you go.... Peter Q.........Wrong again



3 DAYS TO ROSELAND!!!!!

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:06:04 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Right, stadium is wrong. But do you think our GP narrator knows anything about basketball but "crashin the backboard." Reminds me, the "Jungle Jim" is funny, wasn't that the line of plastic toy jungle guns and other assorted toy weapons of destruction in the 60s, yes cause I had one and also there was a commercial with a guy dressed in jungle fighting garb. Yeow, marketing the Vietnam War to 10 year olds? But the Glamour Profession guy, let's call him ah...Joey, for example, is the consumate schmuck. (kidding punkin) Just an arrogant, schitzoid crime monkey tooling around his rented Chrysler in the barbados on a drug deal. And the cheesy send-up disco riffs that sound vaguely like accordians behind it all. And you can dance, it's a very under-rated tune.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 19:04:49 ET
Posted by: ed beatty, slanging

YGK,
SLANG ME


ed

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 18:49:05 ET
Posted by: YGK, NYC

Great, uh, Ed, but how will I know it's you?

ygk

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 18:37:58 ET
Posted by: EDBEATTY, @

Press conference Announcement


Ed is going to Roseland

Please resume all your previous SD related activities




Thank you

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 18:22:29 ET
Posted by: HeyMike, west of the Old Stadium

Hey PeterQ, I'll chime in with the old Chicago Stadium. It stood within hearshot of the United Center (Chicago Dan stop) and has hosted many Bulls Games, and Big 10 Tournaments since 1929. The '71 NCAA finals were played in the Astrodome. Id call that a stadium. Several NCAA tournaments were played there also in the late 70's. Many high school and small college field houses are called stadiums. Also in the late 70's BMW's were not a production car. Pretty hard to find unless you were into them (like my old roomate with his 2002, model not year) A chrysler is more than an appropriate image for a late 70's luxury car. Lighten up Francis...

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 18:10:23 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there now

technicolor motorhome

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 17:10:22 ET
Posted by: Stella Dan, PDX

One of the "stories" I've heard about DF on his home-turf involved him driving a white Mercades with Ms. Titus-Fagen.

That's why I questioned the sentence. Not many people *don't drive* whether they have a vehicle in their name or not.

Not that any of it really matters!

S

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 17:03:11 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Stella - New Yorkers don't drive and Donald looks like the kind of guy who doesn't drive. But there's no way he lived in LA for 6 or 7 years and didn't learn to drive. And with all that car imagery in the songs, it would be very strange if he didn't. Actually, the El Dorado, Lark, Chrysler, Kamakiri, Blazer and Audi TT are the only cars I can think of in SD/DF lyrics. I thought there were more.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 15:10:21 ET
Posted by: Paul Shotan, Birmingham UK

THE DAN COLLECTIVE - UK Steely Dan Revue Band
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SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 13th
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2 hours of the coolest music on the planet...STEELY DAN.
In the absence of the real thing this tour....
close your eyes and you'll be there, it's everything they say..."

Hope to meet you there, all the best from Paul and all in the band
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tel: 0121 453 5264
mobile: 0778 893 1511

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 14:43:33 ET
Posted by: Stella Dan, Portland, Ore!

Enjoying the posts, but scratched my head over this sentence:

>Fagen doesn't even drive

Curiously, how do you know this to be truth? I have heard a few stories contradicting that statement.


Stella
(living vicariously through those of you lucky enough to be going to Roseland on Saturday night)

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 14:40:43 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv,

Peter Q - you have a right to your self-righteous and self-important opinion, but declaring anything D & W do as "buffoonish" makes you a self-deluded pretentious jerk, imho. We're not talking about Billy Squier here, Peter.

And btw, just because someone repeats a sentence 25 years apart doesn't mean they're refering to anything. Haven't you ever repeated a sentence? It's called a "literary device". Sometimes it's just called "coincidence." And hey, I'll even admit *maybe* you are right. But for you to call *anyone* "buffoonish* based on your *opinion* smacks of false authority and presumtion. And I'm surprised no one else here has called you on it.

Besides, everyone knows all the songs are about Joey.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 14:23:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

One who solicits on behalf of another, a paranymph. I think they threw it it cause they're enthralled with Forthright's Phrontistery online. Check it out if you want a headache.

The bridges seem to come so easily to Don & Walt but I do think they spring from the melody not the other way around certainly. They just seem to know where to go and how to get back. I believe their bridges are at the core of the genius of their songwriting.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 14:07:15 ET
Posted by: Aunt Faye,

Three days to Roseland!!!!!!! Having trouble maintaining!!!!
Maybe they'll do a special New York show, with lots of New York tunes...who know?

By the way, does anyone know what a paranymphic glider is? Penny

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 13:54:05 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" Can anyone offer comparisons ? How much do other bands change their sets on tour ? "

When The WHO toured the states in 2002 , they played the EXACT same set list night after night ................after night ...................after night -- And God Bless ' Em .

What do you think this is ???????? " A CASH GRAB OR SOMETHING ???? "


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Barfy !

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 13:34:07 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Yes Dave, my first Allman show in, well, 25 years or so. Just a casual fan of the big hits. An old college buddy turned me on to the latest album, Hittin the Note, a few months ago at a reunion. I said, "naw, I ain't into that gator floppin sothern rock." So he gave me a copy along with three Mule albums and all I can tell you is the guitars I miss with Steely Dan 2 are all on those records. The Allmans reinvented themselves as their old selves. Derek Trucks is unconscious when he plays, he's cool, doesn't jump around at all, and has such stillness when he plays those incredible slide runs at lightening speed. He's the one. He looks like he's 16. Get him into a band with Carlock.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 13:34:03 ET
Posted by: h,

Of course, this raises the question, are these bridges great by themselves or is the contrast to the rest of the song that enhances it.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 13:16:15 ET
Posted by: My Old Man, Back in Oragami

As far as the repeated lines in songs, many sonfwriters quote themselves both musically and lyrically throughout their careers. Don't forget that B&F borrowed the opening of the Bible, and did it again in two completely unrelated songs, Barrytown and Godwhacker ("In The Beginning"..).
Speaking of Barrytown, as a fan, musician and songwriter I must tell you that one of the great parts of B&F's songwriting genius is how good their bridges are. There are songs wherein I think the bridge actually outshines the rest of the piece:
1)the two listed above (in the Beginning with that killer key change back, Godwhacker with Elmer Fudd..be vewy vewy quiet)
2)I Got the News (Broadway Duchess and Mikey singing his ass off)
3) YGT...(Tobacco they grow in Peking...)
4) Haitian Divorce (In the Grotto)
5) EMG (We gave it our best shot....)
6) What A Shame (I'm thinking of of a major Jane St...)
7) Glamour Profession (Hollywood....)

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 13:03:19 ET
Posted by: Dave, Statesboro

Hey Rajah, welcome to the Peach Corps, was that your first Allmans show?
As a long time allmaniac I will agree that Warren and Derek absolutely light it up live. The band has some of the best chemistry its had in at least 30 years.
If you havn't yet, check out Warren Haynes first solo album, "Tales of ordinary madness" or basically any of his Gov't mule stuff. As far as Derek goes, he already has 4 solo albums under his belt at the ripe old age of 22! all worth a listen.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 12:19:31 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hey Crack - No way is the guy in Black Cow also the guy in Glamour Profession, I'm with you. The BC guy is sober, judgmental, anti-drug, and fed up with the lady's behavior. Our guy in GP is a drug dealer, in love with his toys, is an idiot and in general is a source of social chaos. I don't get the same value system he should have if he were both. Peter must be shining up the silver bowl, but hey, these lyrics could drive a sane man nuts. Like my theory that the girl in Black Cow is also the gal in TIMTM based on the lyric, "in the corner of my eye". Now THAT'S a coincidence that they would repeat that line in two songs about 25+ years apart. Tell me I'm crazy.

Sparkle - I saw the Allmans here in LA on Sunday and having perused their excellent website (putting SD's to shame I hate to tell you) their setlists from this years tour dates are posted check it out, they tour and play about 40 to 50 songs. They play from 16 to 21 songs a night. Each night there are anywhere from 10 to 12 substitutions. Of course, the Allmans songs are strictly in the blues mode and they do stretch out the old hits, Liz Reed, Dreams, Whippin Post. No way are they as intricate as SD tunes with all those crazy time signatures and other fanciful touches. And SD are no longer a guitar band, haven't been for a long time. The two guitarists, Warren Haynes and the unbelievably proficient wunderkind Derek Trucks ARE the band and are pretty young at 40ish and 22.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 11:10:40 ET
Posted by: DACW,

"you misunderstand. They were miserable failures as staff songwriters at ABC."

They were miserable failures in the Brill Building in good 'ol NYC first. When Gary Katz brought them to LA, the notion of putting a band together was in the works...Interestingly - what if they had never got out of the Brill Building days and faded away artistically? an inspiration for What a Shame About Me??



" I wasn't saying their first seven albums were failures. Also, no way am I waving the white flag".

Then where's the evidence of internal conflict? I've got you on the run baby...this is even more fun than gaslighting Clas...


"What is the meaning of the phrase "I'm the one" in both songs?"

...and what's the deal with Steamer Heaven? and why don't those songs (WASAM and Wetside Story) have anything to do with each other? ....and why did Paul Simon call an album I'm the One...this calls for a Warren Commission investigation

In Black Cow, the narrator is frustrated because he has to pick up the pieces...and he's left in the "friend zone"


"I don't mean the obvious observation that one is a love problem and the other is a party scene, I mean the phrase in both cases refers to course correction."

Can't agree there - certainly in Black Cow - but in the LA scene the price of mass hedonism (as opposed to focal hedonism in the 40s) is a crash, no a "correction" Note the repercussion of the actions of the "Lost Generation" in the 20s resultin in Black Friday.




There are also obvious gaffes/buffoonish moves that B&F used with the intention of showing the skull beneath the skin, for example "the stadium" - basketball is not played in stadiums, certainly not in 1980, it's played in arenas..."

That is not quite correct.. The New Orleans Jazz played in the Superdome in the 70s...The San Antonio Spurs played in the HemisFair which also was a Stadium - now they play in the AlamoDome, a bigger stadium...the move to all-purpose arenas had begun...Moreover, that fits in well with my argument that GP somewhat predicts the LA field of the 80s...note today how we've come full circle regarding stadia That of course means more billions in capital sucked out of the city budgets by greedy owners, while the mayors and Gov's beg the Feds to bail them out of irresponsible behavior (sorry, that's another story). Besides "Stadium" just SOUNDS better...and that's is by thei admittance a critical aspect of their lyrics...



"Today a few large few stadiums are cordoned off for b-ball games but for the most part "stadium" here is a glaring wrong word."

...and your point being that misuse of the word according to Peter Q in 2003 led to internal conflict in 1979?


"Second, "I drove the Chrysler" where the obvious fit, both materially and in terms of syllable counts, is "I drove the Beamer."

Fagen or Becker might have written this part who knowsw when in the 70s? Fagen doesn't even drive, though one would expect he would know a BMW...My guess is that they're thinking a long stealthy car...remember my point about autos and trucks as being "literary vehicles" ...a film noir moment or they missed the Nostradamus boat on that particular point...hey, how many Steam-powered cars do you see today...and how is the steam made? Coal? wood? or other dioxin and particulate pumping carbohydrate?

" "Brut" is a cheap Woolworth's cologne. Etc., etc."

Yes, that's a little fun at the expense of Hoops McCann... a surface star headed for a crash down the road...

This is...OK now WAS entertaining - it's been real or whatevah, but I wanted to start a discussion about an irony or two that the songs in tangentially related to GP...


(1) Let's face it. Walter and Donald felt uncomfortable about the LA scene in general. OK, they flat hated the city. They'd rather be laughing in the fozen rain of NYC than squinting in the sun of LA...the film noir darkness theme is one they often came back to...W&D lived in LA from I think 1971-1977...I don't believe they recorded or lived in LA after they wrapped up Aja...Unlike a Mailer...the internal conflicted characters are more evident WHILE THEY LIVED IN LA...now while the major topic of the songs in Gaucho is LA, although now W&D reside in NYC (THAT's the IRONY). I just don't hear the internal conflict - their clever comedy is more up front in My Rival, Babylon Sisters, TWM, GP, the title track...they're laughing AT them, not WITH them...previously the "hidden narrator" was more sympathetic with the twisted loserdom characters...


[OK, This gets back to my claim that Gaucho represents the REAL break in their songwriting style to a more linear storytelling mode and flows right into the Nightfly]


(2) It seems to me that the Gaucho album focuses quite a bit on shiny, surface related stuff "spangled leather poncho" ...adventure on the Carib Cannibal, drinking Kirschwasser (sp?) from a shell...slick stuff that precedes the high production values 80s films after the washed out colors, dirty streets, ridiculous framing, filtering, bizarre lens effects that permeated 70s films...a focus of faux slickness...

The obvious irony is that Steely Dan is often accused of being slick, souless, packaged, corporate rock (this one cracks me up) etc. ...and Gaucho is a prime example of a target of that backlash, especially in the history revisionist media times we live in. Gaucho riginally garnered 4 1/2 stars from the Rolling Stone rag, and now it's been "revised" down to 2 stars. Sure Wendel's is a little stiff, but the key is comparison against the competition....Steely Dan in toto (no pun intended) simply sounds professional, and sometimes to an All-Star level. While it's true that they used the studio as an instrument and overdubbed a bit, they're recordings are designed to be professional sounding like Ellingrton, Big Band, Blue Note Recordings. In contrast most of rock playing is sloppy. Nasvhille has more consistent musicianship (although highly packaged now) over the years...Rock era artists are pummeled if not "spontaneous"...if they haven't lived the lives or the characters, are not self-confessional (i.e., tantric yogurt) or self-promotional




OK, now I really MUST get back to my very DRY Technical writing full of editing, editing, editng, editing (Yes, I'M in Internal Conflict!!!)


adios from left of the Rio Grande

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 06:48:32 ET
Posted by: Sparkle of Your China, Hong Kong

Does the set list debate continue because people hope that Don and Walt will look at this site and react to suggestions ?

Can anyone offer comparisons ? How much do other bands change their sets on tour ?

Other stuff:

Does anyone know the background on the Keith Jarrett writing credit for Gaucho ? I know there was an issue (they didn't hang out and write it together) but what's the story behind it ?

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 04:30:13 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Crack - you misunderstand. They were miserable failures as staff songwriters at ABC. I wasn't saying their first seven albums were failures. Also, no way am I waving the white flag. What is the meaning of the phrase "I'm the one" in both songs? I don't mean the obvious observation that one is a love problem and the other is a party scene, I mean the phrase in both cases refers to course correction. There are also obvious gaffes/buffoonish moves that B&F used with the intention of showing the skull beneath the skin, for example "the stadium" - basketball is not played in stadiums, certainly not in 1980, it's played in arenas. Today a few large few stadiums are cordoned off for b-ball games but for the most part "stadium" here is a glaring wrong word. Second, "I drove the Chrysler" where the obvious fit, both materially and in terms of syllable counts, is "I drove the Beamer." "Brut" is a cheap Woolworth's cologne. Etc., etc.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 01:51:32 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Beantown

Almost G- Well said. I'm seeing a total of 10 shows this tour. I would love to see them mix it up a bit. But then again...I'm just happy they're playing at all. When it comes to there set list...the Grateful Dead they ain't.

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Date: Tues, September 09, 2003, 00:54:06 ET
Posted by: almost gothic negative girl, be there now

"Pivotal Pete, California Les- You note: "saw em in jersey, saw em at jones, and yes, i will go to roseland.... " Which means you are a miniscule fraction of the people at each concert. And for you, they ought to change the show? I get to go once -- like most people -- and prefer the set they've honed and can do well. Yes, repetition can breed stagnation, but I'll take my chances. Many other songs I'd love to hear, but it's a concert not a marathon,"

Hmmmmm.... Well, here goes. I also "get to go once," but I go outta my way and spend some very hard-earned money and arrange my schedule to go again, and again, and even again, if they'll give me enough reason to. So yeah, for me, it would really be nice and inspirational if they changed up the setlist a bit more over the entire summer tour. The multiple show-goers tend to be more hard-core, more apt to talk others into going, more apt to spend more $teely-dollars in general; so a little bit of variety in the show would be a really good idea if they want to tap a little deeper into this faithful market. Hearing them do the same songs and jokes again and again starts to feel like they are almost phoning it in on some of these performances. FM again? Really? Fuck, I hope not.

I think that some of you who say "I'll take anything I can get and be happy with it" aren't used to gettin' enough. I am. So I'll keep asking for it and expecting it from these guys. If they can't come through, then at some point I'll spend less money and see less shows. Bottom line--loved these guys since my little brother turned me onto them in the 70's, really love hearing 'em live, but I only have so much dough for live music, and since I see a lot of it, it better be fresh. Yes, they absolutely need to incorporate a couple more songs at this point, preferably from the new album. I'd rather see 'em struggle through Gina or Greenbook, than play another perfect Peg. Just my opinion.

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 23:29:51 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, blissful in Bethel

Hi Zim! Hi Gretchen! Been busy teaching and writing..I know, all work and no play...But Wednesday is soon approaching. I hope we see the setlists posted from the previous night to see if we get any changes!
See you all in the lobby, or in the last row of the balcony!

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 22:37:51 ET
Posted by: DACW,

PQ: LOL...nice try at way oversimplifying my argument, and I notice you've waved the white flag re: the protagonist in wrenching, internal conflict

"Isn't it the most boring,overdone, ho-hum thing in the world to criticize LA, Hollywood, etc. as a hellhole of moral depravity? And another thing, in the arts anyway, it's almost always done by people who failed there (much like SD)

Huh? CBAT through Aja - failures?!

- Nathanel West, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Raymond Chandler, Norman Mailer, Robert Stone, Thomas Tryon, Julia Phillips (remember her bitter Hollywood memoirs, You'll Never Eat Lunch In This Town Again?) - all these people, and God knows how many others, went to Hollywood to try to make it in the movie business and failed and then wrote bitter tomes about the place."

...or Warren Zevon or the Rockford files - not bad for TV...While there is a light Chandler influence on the narrator, there is a HUGE and distinct difference (which I thought was abundantly clear in my posts) between the scenes the characters from Chandler to Phillips to Chinatown to Rockford to Show Biz Kids (the only thing in common with GP is the "hidden narrator") is the Glamour Profession's protagonist IS *NOT* BITTER, ANGRY, FRUSTRATED, EMBATTLED, CONFLICTED!!!! This is NOT your Dad's LA portrayal where seedy, grimy, and poor where most lived are contrasted with the few wealthy out on the town "while de poor perople sleeping with de shade on de light" - from your stand point I would agree that SBK is been there, done that over one chord vamp. In contrast, the real TWIST to Glamour Profession is that virtually EVERYONE in LA is in on the ACTION!!! ...living in a Lionel Ritchie party video. It's a near future vision!!!!!! I LOVE LA!! The narrator sees himself as the Producer, the Architect, the Puppeteer. "Living Hard Will Take Its Toll" does not refer to the narrator. Rather, it refers to his supposed minions! ...one of which finds his bitter end as the narrator of West of Hollywood...


" It's an old story. IMHO there is a little more happening in Glamour P. The same person who narrates Glamour P. narrates Black Cow ("I'm the one" is lifted from one song into the other)and is also the same person who narrates TIMTM (the line "In the corner of my eye" is lifted from the one to the other)"

Not a chance - simply a jilted lover tired of his heart being emotinally dragged around. There is one connection with a later song -

" - or, may I clarify, not literally the same person but the same observing consciousness. (For that matter the same person narrates Show Biz Kids"

Nope, see above starting with Zevon...

", i.e., the pronounced empphasis in the vocalizations of "Outrageous," in both.) The brute facts"

Brut and charisma, you mean...GP sounds more like the narrator of Time Out of Mind in my view...


"in the world around him might change but the observing perspective is always the same."

If you mean the "hidden narrator," I guess so...but even that changes in a sense across SD themes and in time in that different points of view or thoughts from Fagen and Becker may slip into a character This is a common device often used to bludgeoning effect as the Chaos Theory expert in the Crichton book "Jurassic Park"

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 22:24:04 ET
Posted by: Laina, watching the fog roll in

Peter Q said: Isn't it the most boring,overdone, ho-hum thing in the world to criticize LA, Hollywood, etc. as a hellhole of moral depravity? And another thing, in the arts anyway, it's almost always done by people who failed there....

Thank you, Peter. I get so tired of people wanting to rag on Los Angeles and say that it's just the dirtiest, most corrupt city ever. And it's SO overdone. And you're so right, the complaints and bitter writings are done, oftentimes, by those who came out to LA, tried to make it and failed (perhaps miserably). There must have been something attractive about the city (cities) that drew them out there...don't get mad and then talk ish just 'cuz they couldn't hack it.

I used to live in LA...and would rather be there right now.

Dreaming of 3rd Street Promenade,
Lainalove

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 21:32:14 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Les- You note: "saw em in jersey, saw em at jones, and yes, i will go to roseland.... " Which means you are a miniscule fraction of the people at each concert. And for you, they ought to change the show? I get to go once -- like most people -- and prefer the set they've honed and can do well. Yes, repetition can breed stagnation, but I'll take my chances. Many other songs I'd love to hear, but it's a concert not a marathon,

PeterQ- If your point is that Glamour Profession is a unique and effective approach to telling part of the "LA Story," I'm 100% with you. There's really a whole industry in the "Hollywood" area devoted to serving the glitterati -- the GP narrator gives a flavor of one part of it. (Once talked to a limo driver in LA whose tales could have been additional versus.) I actually think SD do a better job evoking LA in a few words or lines than they do NY -- but I've lived there so maybe I just "get it" better.
But I can't see the narrator of GP as the same "observing consciousness" as Black Cow. Mr. Cow seems sadly caught (as a participant) in a relationship where he's the confidant (lover?) of a woman sliding into depression and self-destructive behavior. It's eating him up, and he's talking tough -- but I don't think we can conclude he really can end the cycle. (Someone recently suggested that TIMTM is the BC guy talking years later about his divorce from Ms Outrageous -- which had occurred to me, too.)
That lack of control and helplessness is not at all a part of the LA Concessionaire. He's the one who knows the truth behind the characters people world-over worship in movies, TV and music. He's "the one" who's taking advantage of these people. The Black Cow guy is the victim.
Observers, but very different personas.

The Dan-O-Lanterns bit was a repeat, and it was real. Too bad they couldn't have updated the images a bit. I think Walter's looking a whole lot better these days than in the 70's, even though he's getting a little chunky ...

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 21:30:02 ET
Posted by: Zim, northwest hills of CT

Shaun in Boston-A Beau Bolero tape? Interesting! Hope WuDuF sees your post-her hubbie is the bass player on the recording. She might be interested in hearing it!

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 20:32:20 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Raj - you should come to NYC in March when the Allman Brothers Band plays a whole month at the Beacon. People from all over the world swarm all over the Upper West Side the whole month. Warren Haines rules. In this month's Rolling Stone when they picked the top 100 guitarists he was in the top 20.

Crack Whore: Isn't it the most boring,overdone, ho-hum thing in the world to criticize LA, Hollywood, etc. as a hellhole of moral depravity? And another thing, in the arts anyway, it's almost always done by people who failed there (much like SD) - Nathanel West, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Raymond Chandler, Norman Mailer, Robert Stone, Thomas Tryon, Julia Phillips (remember her bitter Hollywood memoirs, You'll Never Eat Lunch In This Town Again?) - all these people, and God knows how many others, went to Hollywood to try to make it in the movie business and failed and then wrote bitter tomes about the place. It's an old story. IMHO there is a little more happening in Glamour P. The same person who narrates Glamour P. narrates Black Cow ("I'm the one" is lifted from one song into the other)and is also the same person who narrates TIMTM (the line "In the corner of my eye" is lifted from the one to the other) - or, may I clarify, not literally the same person but the same observing consciousness. (For that matter the same person narrates Show Biz Kids, i.e., the pronounced empphasis in the vocalizations of "Outrageous," in both.) The brute facts in the world around him might change but the observing perspective is always the same.

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 19:50:50 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home after walking the puppy

When I moved to CT in 1980 Beau Bolero was big. Saw their add in the Hartford Advocate - went and saw them a few times - not bad. Actually wish they were still around.

Looking forward to the Oakdale Wednesday - I'll be in my Boston Danfest shirt - I'm going to sit outside somewhere - probably near the canopy. My wife and I will be there about 5:30 to get some drinks and food before the show.

SD taking 9/11 off in tribute:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/living/6719492.htm
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_2237748,00.html

Roseland shows get a mention in the NY Times - now they have made it. Actually the Wall Street Journal even did a SD concert review a few tours agao - I think I have a copy laying around somewhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/arts/music/07MUSI.html?ex=1063512000&en=dd15ebaab0022626&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 19:49:14 ET
Posted by: les, new york

saw em in jersey, saw em at jones, and yes, i will go to roseland....

they should do a completely different show--i mean, here we are in the metro ny area, arguably the dan's most concentration of fans (and record sales) and i was terribly disappointed that there were NO changes at all from PNC TO JONES...shit, there is so much wonderful material from which to choose, and its absurd to do the same show each time..what the f@#K, this is not las vegas!

cmon donald and walter- leave that line about the ritz crackers and gruyere cheese during hey nineteen out of it (why do that song again anyway) do some different encores (my old school and FM should be put into the friggin vault already)and show us who are real fans, and have visited with you twice already,the stuff that REALLY makes you special...

party at le bar bat...if you havent seen the funk filharmonik, hold on to your ass...

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 19:38:07 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, Way South of NYC

lucky henry: I saw that SNL skit too, but due to the residual effect of my potent potable of choice that night, thought I might have been hallucinating! Worse yet, I can't recall if it was truly SNL (emphasis on the Live) or if it was a SN Rerun....

Meaning, essentially, that I am no help, except to join in on the call for anyone who has more scoop than we!

Hey, on that note, who amongst our talented danizens in residence can conjure us up some Steely Dan-o'lantern transfers just in time for Halloween?

Attention all shoppers....

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 18:26:47 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Speaking of Beau Bolero...A few years back I bought a tape on ebay that was tittled "Steely Dan 1986 Tour Rehearsals". When I got it and played it I said no way this is Steely Dan! Later on I found out that this "tour rehearsal tape was Beau Bolero. I played it the other day and during "My Old School" they sing "Waterbury tumbles into the sea" "Waterbury" as in Waterbury, Connecticut. Anyway, the band wasn't bad, but how anyone could confuse their lead singer with Fagen is beyond me. I got ripped off, but what do you expect when you deal in bootlegs.

ROSELAND...FOUR DAYS AND COUNTING!!!!

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 18:17:49 ET
Posted by: lucky henry, the junction

this may be old news but did anyone catch the SNL spot with host Sen. John McCain wherein a skit included a quartet of Jack-o-lanterns modelled after the founding members of Steely Dan? They referred to them several times as Steely Dan-o-lanterns and appeared to have the visages of (L to R, top row): David Palmer, Donald, (bottom row): Denny D., Walter. It was way cool, but couldn't figure whether it was real or did I overdo it on the Cabernet? Would be great to get a copy of that...

lh

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 15:48:22 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I didn't realize that Warren Zevon & Walter Becker had the same manager, Irving Azoff. "

Irving Azoff is SATAN .................but he's Walter's SATAN !

***** JOEY SMILES ILLUMINATINGLY *******

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 15:22:05 ET
Posted by: Zim,

Gretchen-Oakdale show starts at 7:30, well that's what the ticket says anyway. Where'd you go to college and which band member was it? WuDuF is a college friend of mine now going on nearly 20 (ack!) years and is married to the bass player. Hoping to make it to Oakdale for some preshow fun, depends on if I can convince hubby to head out of work a little early. Shouldn't be too hard, I'll just make it worth his while! Until then I just planning on playing all Steely Dan until everyone around me can't help but tap their feet!

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 12:52:54 ET
Posted by: Gretchen, a library in Wells Beach, Maine

WuDuF and Zim, and any others going to Oakdale:
Why don't we all meet in the lobby pre-show, and have a drink or something. Is the show at 7 or 7:30? My seat is lower orchestra right, row R, seat 18 (I think it's 18). Will be home on Wednesday early afternoon. Looking forward to meeting all of you. I remember Beau Bolero, too! Went to college with the brother of one of the band members. Anyway, looking forward to seeing Steely Don on Wednesday and,of course ROSELAND!!! Twisted my ankle again today in Kennebunkport. No, I wasn't wearing the stilettos. Just clumsy.

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 12:50:22 ET
Posted by: Dave, The Moheladium

I didn't realize that Warren Zevon & Walter Becker had the same manager, Irving Azoff.

Warren Zevon. Halevay volt er do geven.

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 12:43:18 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

Happy Monday! Hey, thanks all for the input on Blues Beach... I think it's all there now.

DFD

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 12:34:44 ET
Posted by: Joey,

" i asked him why he liked the words and he said it brought him to a fantasyland that made him feel safe and ok to be alone..enuf said- "

Future Billionaire !

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 12:21:13 ET
Posted by: Randy, Northern NJ/USA

Steely-folk,

Some months ago I mentioned that Steely Dan-alumni John Beasley (keyboards) and Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) were working with Andy Summers on his next recording. Apparently the album ('Earth and Sky') is finished and is set to be released sometime this October; here's a link to the new album page on Andy's site:

http://www.andysummers.com/EarthAndSky.html

Summers will also be putting in a four-day run at Birdland in NYC in October as well, as he did back in 2001 (which, incidentally is when I had the opportunity to talk to Dennis Chambers 'bout Steely Dan, as well as meet with Andy).

You may now return to your regularly-scheduled Steely posting-

Randy / NIGHTFLY62(at)aol.com

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 11:21:40 ET
Posted by: Mo Leisure, "In my Comfy Eames Chair-(I wish!)

Since I'm a fairly new"Initiate" to "The Dan",maybe someone out there could help me answer a question I've had. First,let me qualify this by saying that I don't know anything about music in terms of structure,notes,all that-I just know what I like! (Kinda like the old Adage about art!) Hence,I come here to absorb as much as possible from as many different POVs as possible. So, I'm wondering: in listening to "Greenbook", on the 2nd Instrumental Segment (is that the right term?) before the final refrain of "I'm so in love with this Dirty City!" ,is it my imagination, or is this part of the song similar to one of the Instrumental Breaks in "Black Cow?" It seems when I'm "spinning" this song in my head(I do that A LOT!) I'll start out hearing "Greenbook",an sometimes before I know it I'm listening to BC in my head instead! My own crazy detour,or are they,in fact,structurally similar?

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 11:16:10 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Shadows are falling and I'm running out of breath
Keep me in your heart for awhile

If I leave you it doesn't mean I love you any less
Keep me in your heart for a while

When you get up in the morning and you see that crazy sun
Keep me in your heart for a while

There's a train leaving nightly called when it's all said and done
Keep me in your heart for a while

Sometimes when you're doing
Simple things around the house
Maybe you'll think of me and smile

You know I'm ties to you like the buttons on your blouse
Keep me in your heart for a while

Hold me in your thoughts, take me to your dreams
Touch me as I fall into view
When the winter comes keep the fires lit
And I will be right next to you

Engine driver's headed north to Pleasant Stream
Keep me in your heart for awhile

These wheels keep turning but they're running out of steam
Keep me in your heart for awhile

Keep me in your heart for awhile
...

Know it's really off topic, but I'm sorely going to miss Warren Zevon.

Matt

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 10:06:47 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

my son loves "caves" ...from the first time he heard the words "i recall when i was small etc" - he had me play it over and over - he is a beautiful, intelligent little man, but very much an "outsider and loner" his teachers love him cuz he is so unique and interestsing-and frequently refer to his outside of the boxness as a major source of entertainment - but he has a very tuff time w/ his peers, they call him weird - kids are so cruel - i asked him why he liked the words and he said it brought him to a fantasyland that made him feel safe and ok to be alone..enuf said-

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 10:04:50 ET
Posted by: DACW,

PQ: Yes, as I stated, he is in the annulus. But this device is as much a recurring theme in the song as it is a reflection of the narrator - In the first verse remember it is *Hoops McCann* who is in the shadow "brut and charisma poured from the shadow where he stood," not the narrator, who is in the sun with a Randy Newman shit eating grin on his face. In the thrid verse both he and Jive Miguel meet at Mr. Chow at midnight - it's just a nice literary device that represents the total eclipse of the soul underneath the sun and glamour of the LA happenin' scene of the day and future "daze"...

But again, the narrator is NOT in inner turmoil - he feels in control - and you know what? He was RIGHT...recreational pharmaceuticals and self-importance ruled the whole she-bang in the 80s and beyond as told in this linear narrative...the middle 80% of virtually EVERY Behind the Music story. The song's much more of an insight into the soul of LA (i.e., the external environment) than that of the narrator (the internal environment). Therefore, the darkness theme is not about the narrator, but about the black hole in the middle of the sould of LA which eventually ate it up at the end of the decade - the LA riots - and a continuation of Show Biz Kidz in a less preachy, more sophisticated, linear storytelling manner, which is where Steely Dan 2 is today...

BTW, I think EMG is EXACTLY about change in worldview...though not necessarily politics...


In contrast, many earlier songs were about inner turmoil of a singular poor soul NOT in control (i.e., Any World, Fire in the Hole)....

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 09:39:04 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I just got back from a kick-ass Allman Bros. concert here in LA at the Greek and let me tell you there's nothing intellectual about ABB, the antithetical combo to SD. They were GREAT anyway and btw, Elizabeth Reed, Dreams, Stateboro Blues, Whippin Post, ....."

See , this is what is so prodigious about the individuals who post here : We all like different bands ( artists ) besides the Dan . Thus , we appreciate true musicianship and have the upmost respect for / and enjoy tremendous talent .

I only hope that legendary artists like The Rolling Stones , The Who , U2 , etc...... all find a way to make an appearance in our fair cities next summer -- It should be one Hell of a concert season , THAT'S for sure .

Joey !

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 07:01:53 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Crack- in this song "Watched from the darkness while they danced" says it all. It says it all about this song and about the whole cannon of Steely Dan 'hero' songs. He is AMONG the group but not quite ONE OF THEM, as Granatino says in one of his websites, "the kid in the back of the class without any friends." Everything else is gravy, dressing used to tell the story, whether's it's the stars of LA in Glamour P. or Miss Fugazy giving blowjobs in the lift in Everything Must Go. It's the same basic story over and over and over. If you ever read the play The Iceman Cometh by Eugene O'Neill you will agree that the character Larry Slade is an early 20th century version of the Steely Dan hero.

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Date: Mon, September 08, 2003, 03:26:26 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Pivotal One - it's almost impossible to posit musical theories and NOT sound pompous. From what I can surmise by my first perusal, Peter Q has thought through his hypotheses quite thoroughly and I don't think we should be so sensitive about his "tone". Makes us sound thin-skinned, no? The best and most insightful comments on this site could be slipped into a doctoral thesis so I don't think we should be afraid to be analytical. I just got back from a kick-ass Allman Bros. concert here in LA at the Greek and let me tell you there's nothing intellectual about ABB, the antithetical combo to SD. They were GREAT anyway and btw, Elizabeth Reed, Dreams, Stateboro Blues, Whippin Post, Wasted Words, and encore -wait for it--Laila. Derek Trucks, Butch's nephew, is a god on slide in the same mold as out Mr. Carlock on skins. The best slide guitarist the Allmans ever had, including, blasphemy here, Duane. The guy is 21 years old and doesn't even look like he has a beard yet! Go see the Allmans.

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 23:32:39 ET
Posted by: Mo Leisure, Posting Litely n Politely

WB was right when he said EMG is basically a party album. I recently had a few friends over for a small Dinner Party and I played EMG AT LEAST 5 times,back to back! The thing I noticedis,the conversation flowed like "fine Wine",and not once was there one of those "Freudian Pauses",where the whole room goes silent for a beat,and then the convresation switches gears. It was more of a "Seamless Segueway"from topic to topic as far as I could tell!

I was also pleased to hear "Blues Beach" on a local FM Station recently at work! I don't listen to much Commercial Radio (my Markets kinda limited) Can anyone tell me what other songs (if any) afrom EMG are receiving Airplay? Just curious!

Misheard from BB: "I was scraping bottom, Glowing in the Dark!"

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 23:10:40 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

ROSELAND 2003
The "HOME AT LAST DANFEST"
NEW YORK CITY
Spetember 12 & 13

AS STEELY DAN PLAYS A ROUSING, HEARTFELT RENDITION OF 'HOME AT LAST' ON ITS 2003 'Everything Must Go' tour, bright red images of the Empire State Building serve as a proud, Steely declaration of home for the spirit of STEELY DAN; NEW YORK CITY. If you are like me, you can't help but get chills of pride & excitement up & down your spine & a huge grin on your face. And of course, I live in Chicago!

All upright Steely Danizens & major dudes have to make a pilgrimage to NYC the week of September 11-to share & celebrate the things we know & truly love with those of our kind-the great city of NYC & all of its premier nightlife & music, and especially, STEELY DAN.

Without question, there is absolutely no better setting for this than a STEELY DAN CONCERT at the legendary ROSELAND BALLROOM & PRE- & POST-SHOW PARTIES with hosts PETE FOGEL + SHARI at LE BAR BAT and more.

"…52nd Street's the junction…"
STEELY DAN + DANDOM: HOME AT LAST

--------------------------------------------

Be sure to check out the following URLs for the lowdown on all that will be Roseland this upcoming weekend:

http://www.dandom.com/danfests/nyc

http://www.dandom.com/danfests/nyc/events.html

and other great links to Roseland, Le Bar Bat, sd.com, hotel and travel maps, etc from there.

"…52nd Street's the junction…"

BE THERE!

hoops

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 22:57:14 ET
Posted by: DanAudioCrackWhore, That's Mr. Whore to you - Ms. Jackson if you're nasty

PQ: There can be no correct interpretations, intentionally because of the nature of the SD narrative structure, but here's mine anyway...

“ re: Glamour P. (Why on the SD site is it Glamor in the title but Glamour in the lyrics?)”

“Glamor” is a typo. “Glamour” was found on the original LP and subsequent CDs. The English/European spelling connotes the emergence of the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, Wannabes, and self-important young turks frolicking in the glitz and glamour of LA as the high production values and slick surfaces of the 80s begins


“Yes and no. The narrator replays events on the screen of his mind like a film,”

Indeed, there are three scenes from the film that is the life of the narrator. However, I see that as a brilliant set of literary metaphors. People in LA lived their lives to a greater extent than New Yorkers as if in a movie. Our pusher here is no longer a loser in the street, but is used as a cynical tool or a vehicle (which I think is one of their uses of autos and cars - to help “drive” a storyline) for that “hidden narrator,” in this case Fagen and Becker – like layers of an Onion and that core is rotten although the surface is glazed and painted to appear like a brilliant apple – the “real” driving force behind the “Hilton Sisters” of the Day. It is a false “glamour,” but the character could care less – he digs and relishes his role, thus a brilliant twist on the imperfect narrative. As Rajah said “We’re a Star” and “I’m the One” as the Pusher moves Uptown Baby, where hairdressers, pushers, producers and ingénues mix and mingle under gold and glass…
Truly, it is as if W&D predicted or even created MTV, the behind the scenes world of Miami Vice, Yuppies, the characters out of Blake Edward’s movie SOB two years later, etc.

In addition, this song, and indeed the whole Gaucho album is a series of acts as in a Broadway Play exposing the decadence of LA…but note that is Glamour or Babylon, the narrator is going along for that sweet ride – they realize the faux aspect, but there’s no real inner conflict…just awareness and irony…like a voyeur who ends up in a threesome!! I’m shocked, shocked, that gambling is going on…Here’s the part where Steely Dan starts to PARTY!!! I am holding a mystical sphere…


“the problem being that he's in the film that he's watching and his soul yearns for him not to be.”

Nah, that’s Here at the Western World – Now it’s “illegal fun, under the sun boys.” The narrator wouldn’t trade this life for the world…creating a life of fun and sun from the shadowy annulus of the LA scene…The tables have turned and the pusher has moved from backstreet Berkeley to the outskirts of jet set crowd stalking in his red convertible. He’s in control now…or feels he is. In contrast, those previous narrators had lost control, vicitims of their own mind, environment or combination. But this is EXACTLY the break in type of narrative I referred to from the inner struggles of the loser to the more linear narratives of Nightfly, Kamakiriad, TvN, and EMG…the narrator or I believe the ‘hidden narrator” breaks through to remind us that there will be a price down the road West of Hollywood (‘living hard will take its toll”) for this hollow life of decadence…the soul eaten from the inside-out..but for now SCREW IT BABY

We now see the nascent “Upbeat AnNihilism” and movement from “Downer Surrealism” of Dr. Wu, Any World, and Royal Scam…not that the message is that much different – but the Vehicle is different – the more linear metaphorical storytelling…


“In many of these little tales you have the usual junkie dichotomies between beliefs and actions (the behavior is not consistent with the thoughts). Glamour P. is an interior monologue, he's talking to himself. PS I have not put this investigation on O's page yet, only a sliver of material is there.”

Yes, the man is writing his own screenplay or even DIRECTING it – perhaps he’s pitching it to a yes man…soaked through a noodle shop…but I see it as an all encompassing monologue – almost as if everyone in LA phonies were reading or singing in unison…

Thus rather than an inner conflict, it’s an outer conflict and the battlefield is Hollywood and LA


6:05
Outside the stadium
Special delivery
For Hoops McCann
Brut and charisma
Poured from the shadow where he stood

Both the narrator and the basketball star are on the edge of glory

Looking good
He's a crowd pleasing man

The cult of personality and show over substance

One on one
He's schoolyard superman

Fuck the fundamentals, each dunk is a brilliant line delivered in a Shakespeare comedy

Crashing the backboard
He's Jungle Jim again
When it's all over

Who needed a corked bat to please the crowd back then?

We'll make some calls from my car
We're a star

A little powder on that nose and you’ll snatch a dollar off the top of the backboard and leave some change

It's a glamour profession
The L.A. concession

Concession is a key – a SERVICE now to the movers and shakers – the “B-12 shot” out on the town!

Local boys will spend a quarter
Just to shine the silver bowl
Living hard will take its toll

Illegal fun
Under the sun

All aboard
The Carib Cannibal
Off to Barbados
Just for the ride

Before there was E! Wild-on and Lifestyles there was Steely Dan as SoCal Nostradamus

Jack with his radar
Stalking the dread moray eel
At the wheel
With his Eurasian bride

Exotica – a tidal wave of whim and chablis

On the town
We dress for action
Celluloid bikers
Is Friday's theme

This is no disco – it’s a party

I drove the Chrysler
Watched from the darkness while they danced
I'm the one

Kind of a Sauron Party-on moment, eh?

It's a glamour profession
The L.A. concession
Local boys will spend a quarter
Just to shine the silver bowl
Living hard will take its toll

Illegal fun
Under the sun

Hollywood
I know your middle name
Who inspires your fabled fools
That's my claim to fame

This bridge and represent the Heart Of Darkness that operates just outside the LA sunshine and perhaps even powers it…he’s now a power broker with mixed feelings of accomplishment and disdain…almost as if Dorian Gray’s picture were singing to him – thus the conflict is EXTERNAL (of the picture)…

Jive Miguel
He's in from Bogota
Meet me at midnight
At Mr. Chow's
Szechuan dumplings
After the deal has been done
I'm the one

We’ve come a long way baby from the dark alleys or rolling in the dunes outside Jim Rockford’s trailer

It's a glamour profession
The L.A. concession
Local boys will spend a quarter
Just to shine the silver bowl
Living hard will take its toll

Illegal fun
Under the sun

That sez it all..speaking of trailer – this almost reads like one, doesn’t it?

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 22:09:36 ET
Posted by: Zim, Memory Lane of Beau Bolero

Hey, I still have my Beau Bolero t-shirt!! Wow, SouthofHollywood and DoctorWu51 remember them? Cool! WuDuF and I must have attended hundreds and hundreds of Beau Bolero shows. As a matter of fact, we took an impromtu road trip on a Sunday night to "The Station" in PA to see them. Maybe you were there?! Hey WuDuF! Remember the night Bob was jumping on my bed in my dorm room after a show at Toads Place? Ah the old days... Yeah, that was when we thought they were as close to Dan live we'd ever get. Beau Bolero was damn good too.

3 days to the second leg! Need to figure out exactly who is going to Oakdale and where to meet.

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 21:52:32 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Peter Q-

Your observations are thought provoking and often have interesting insights. However, to me the tone (maybe you intend this) borders on or lands smack in the territory of arrogance.

As we're in the land of *interpretation* here, I wonder if you might get a more welcome reception if you present your "data" (whatever that is) as a viewpoint versus flat-out fact. This is not intended to be a "flame," such a friendly suggestion.

Some items I'd say could be questioned:

- The narrator in Glamour Profession (or Glamor -- I'm guessing "typo") wants out. Where do you get that idea? Sounds to me like he's bragging about making big bucks leaching off the vices of the fabled fools. A lot of people would envy his job ...

- SD songs rarely express overt emotion. I think several people gave you bunches of examples of where they DO. Then I wondered: Even if they don't, how different is that from other song lyrics? Most of the time, I think the emotions (besides "I love you baby") are implied or described as a state of mind. I admittedly have no data on this -- and I may be wrong here -- but if SD is supposedly *different* we need contrasting examples, please.

- You wrote: <<I think we should understand that B/F's minds about their worldview, as well as their opinions about music, were established years and years ago.>> (You apparently have the same powers here as the chick in Slang of Ages.) This is presented in what sounds like a highly condescending tone -- implying that YOUR world view is constantly changing as your intellect expands. I suspect many of us, in fact, start with a perspective (liberal, centrist, conservative, fringey) that stays with us for "decades and decades." A few people -- Ronald Reagan, for example, maybe Skunk Baxter -- undergo major philosophical shifts.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind" my Dad has reminded me for decades. But being consistent is not in-and-of-itself foolish...
It does sound as if their musical views are pretty stable (the joke at the Rock Hall of Fame ceremonies "Is this the Moby who was with Moby Grape back in the 60s?" might be a sign of not staying "au courant.") But their ability to evolve and stay interesting over a *long* period does suggest that their musical world view has some flexibility. Most writer-performers by this stage of their careers have become EXTREMELY repetitive and boring.

If you want to continue to pontificate that's cool -- you might even want to throw some Spanish in there for comic effect -- but I have a feeling I'm not alone in wishing you'd take a couple deep breaths and mellow out. I'd go back to grad school if I wanted to read Doctoral Theses.

Affectionately,

-Pete

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 21:48:40 ET
Posted by: Roy.scam, the broadway in my mind

DACW (Doc) ~ Having found my dictionary and looked up the word visceral, I'm prepared to verbally joust. -- To me, the song "Bad Sneakers" may take place entirely in the mind of the narrator. By the time the song's central character has reached his current mental state, the chronology of events and location of the characters is almost moot. Yet it's still one of their most powerful songs. "When they gonna send me home?" What a beautifully sad line. Maybe the song "Home at Last" is the answer to that question. Those two songs would fit nicely in a concert in that order.


bway steve~ The Dan on Broadway. Spledid idea. I can almost hear the segue from Thank Heaven for Little Girls to Janie Runaway.

Don't Cry for Me Tijuana,

RS

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 21:14:34 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Peter - I'm enjoying your analyses over at feverdreams. Glamour Profession could be the interior monologue of a late 70s drug dealer to the stars. Hoops is the L.A. basketball star, the stadium would have been the Forum. The narrator is obnoxious. My favorite line is, "we're a star" when Hoops comes out to the parking lot to take delivery. "I'm the one" is also priceless, yeah, especially the reading DF gives it, the squirrely tweeked out L.A. drug capo.

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 18:57:16 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Crack - re: Glamour P. (Why on the SD site is it Glamor in the title but Glamour in the lyrics?) Yes and no. The narrator replays events on the screen of his mind like a film, the problem being that he's in the film that he's watching and his soul yearns for him not to be. In many of these little tales you have the usual junkie dichotomies between beliefs and actions (the behavior is not consistent with the thoughts). Glamour P. is an interior monologue, he's talking to himself. PS I have not put this investigation on O's page yet, only a sliver of material is there.

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 17:30:22 ET
Posted by: doctorwu51,

I remember going to see Beau Bolero in Rochester, NY. Don't know the year, but it had to be at least a couple of decades ago. It is interesting to me that someone associated with that band is posting here; I remember that the band provided decent renditions of SD stuff & I was pleased with the show. At that time, I didn't believe that I would ever have the chance to see WB & DF in person...

I know that this post instantly identifies me as an old fart, but I'm OK with that...I have found that being an old fart does have a few advantages...don't have to fake anything anymore...why bother?...

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 15:32:17 ET
Posted by: Q, Roseland to Tampa to West Palm to Atlanta....whew!

I just want to make it clear that I am here for "eccentric participation" only.

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Date: Sun, September 07, 2003, 11:53:01 ET
Posted by: bwaySteve, 43rd and Broadway

There are thousands of people standing in front of my building awaiting the start of Broadway On Broadway, the theater industry's annual attempt to convince America why it's reasonable to spend a hundred and a quarter to see a show here. I have been watching the setup of an elaborate stage complete with sound ,lighting and other equipment for days.There are hundreds of police everywhere and every attempt is made to accommodate the crowds safely and comfortably.I hope I can get downstairs for a number or two.I will try for Hairspray.
I couldn't help but fantasize what a Broadway production would be like authored with the eccentric genius of our boys.Hookers, druggies and misfits in a minimal yet futuristic staging with strong political overtones before a backdrop of appocalyptic doom yet containing an underlying tone of humor and cosmic irony.Andrew Lloyd Webber would die and THEN turn in his grave.

I am so excited anticipating what will be probably turn out to be one of the best weeks I could hope to experience.Can't wait to meet many of the great people I have come to know through Steely Dan web resources like this one. This board has become a model for tolerance
freedom of speech, threads of interesting discussion , good humor even and as much of the kind of eccentric participation that a band like Steely Dan can facillitate.

Much love to you all.

Regards,
bwaySteve

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 20:35:14 ET
Posted by: DACW,

PQ: I see the narrator in Glamour Profession as the lurking observer, the puppeteer above a land of slick, image-conscious decadence. The one visceral moment is as he strains "I'm the One" or maybe it's the irony that's the tist - the inspiration and movement of the Pitch men and the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was that "white line" rather than art - the appearance of art. Talk about Life Imitating Art - the song takes on Nostradamus qualities in previewing yet a new height self-absorption in 80s and 90s Hollywood...and connects Show Biz Kidz with the Crash - West of Hollywood

11ToW on the other hand is a real punch in the gut - a level of honesty that is not part of the Steely Dan vocabulary

Might be interesting to start a debate or compare notes on the Dan visceral top ten. SD is often accused of being cold (an argument I've never bought...just because they did not live the lives of their charachters has been greatly mininterpreted by so-called critics...

Keep in mind that I'm using the Lizzie model here: its the combination of lyrics and music...much of these are the narrator in a state turmoil

No particular order:

1. Any World (That I'm Welcome to) - a peak of despair and then odd determination

2. Dr. Wu - catch me know I'm falling

3. Here at the Western World - an adult version of Mr. LaPage? It seems to me that this is a comforting place to narrator - not just a cricus call-man...

4. Deacon Blues - In his mind, there's a way out

5. Fire in the Hole - there's no way out

6. Razor Boy - the height of sneer in Donald's voice as the weak man who was likely jilted by a rising star relishes her potential demise

Just a sample, but enough to get started...

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 19:46:51 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

My Old Man - I'm glad you see the connections. I notice that in the reviews of EMG chosen for the official SD site, several comment on how SD owe/emulate/copy/pay homage to/whatever term you prefer DeLillo. Obviously you can't get too serious about comparing 15 lines of a song lyric with a 300 page novel, but the influence is very apparent.

Crack W. - IMHO Gaucho is still very visceral and 11TOW even more so. The identity of the narrator (IMHO) is never more evident anywhere than in Glamour Profession.

Re the whole capitalism discussion: Steely Dan song characters are almost never comfortable with money, transactions, exchanges, or business deals. (The view they take is that it's all similar to gambling.) The fact that 99.9999999 percent of people who achieve success in business are perfectly honest and hardworking is overlooked in favor of harping on the Ken Lays and Bernie Ebbers of the world. How come no one writes songs about Michael Dell or Bill Gates? Or "Stockbroker Donates 50 Grand To AIDS Research"? Michael Milken, the 80s poster boy for "corporate greed, " whatever that is, is now the greatest philanthrpoist in the history of the human race -
where are the songs? This POV is very skewed, IMHO>

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 19:45:30 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, bemused in Bethel

I was pleasantly surprised to see the responses to the Beau Bolero information. My husband is Bob Turek, who played the bass and sang. I know that some of the other former members have been to Steely Dan shows, but don't know if they check in on this site. Maybe a rendevous in Wallingford is possible? And yes-they did sing "They got the Beau Bolero t-shirts." For all involved at the time, it was a great tribute and way to experience Steely Dan music at a time when the idea of them touring seemed ludicrous!

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 18:25:02 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Flashing back to cool summer nights...

WuDuF...Damn! Thanks for the instant trip down memory lane...I remember seeing Beau Bolero at a joint that used to be known as "The Station" in Wilkes-Barre, PA waaaaay back in the 80's and thinking that was as close as I would ever get to a live Steely Dan experience...A friend who was going to school in CT had told us about this band and that they were a must-see, and as I remember it they certainly were...If my memory is at all clear (questionable), I think that during "Show Biz Kids" they used to sing "They got the Beau Bolero t-shirts..."...Thanks!...SOH

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 15:39:05 ET
Posted by: Beau Bolero (The first SD tribute band??), Ct.

WuDuF- I was reading this a few weeks back on Granatino's site...

http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/8beau.htm

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 14:06:59 ET
Posted by: WuDuF, boxed in Bethel

Thanks for the advice to relax, stop unpacking, twist one, and put on some Dan tunes, my friend Zim! Just what the doctor ordered! A few notes to my Danmates out there... Lady Bayside-I couldn't agree with you more about appreciating what the band does decide to play on any given night. Too much post-show complaining (Steely Dan is not the only group this happens to, unfortunately). I guess some people are just never satisfied. A terrible way to go throught life. Gretchen-we are all sitting in the rear balcony, section E, Row K. We'll be the ones STANDING UP and DANCING for some songs, much to the chagrin of the "washing and waiting" crowd who yell at people for getting up. Unless we can arrange to meet outside, come see us up there! You are quite an eloquent person, and would love for us all to meet. Zim- my sister and husband are also going-they have seats in the LAST row of the balcony, so we can try to switch with people and all sit together. The back would also be cool because we wouldn't be in anyone's way while boogeying! I also have 2 other friends that just bought tickets in the balcony. Lots of balloons will be cascading down from our area with various facts/myths/opinions written on them about Steely Dan. Check them out! Now I also have to do a litle bragging. My husband (of 14 years!) used to play in a band back in the 80's that did Steely Dan covers. Maybe some of you remember the name Beau Bolero? True Dan fans in Connecticut used to love this band. He will actually be with us all up in the balcony. At previous Dan shows he's been approached by some former students of Wesleyan who remember having them play in their dorm! If anyone feels like coming up to say hi, please do! Happy listening to all, see you Wednesday night!

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 11:59:46 ET
Posted by: My Old Man, Back in Oregon

Sorry about that doubled Bad Sneakers in my dream set list. One of those Ctrl C vs. Ctrl X deals.
As for the lists themselves, don't think the stuff they played wasn't appreciated...I rank 2003 aand Y2K as 2 of the top 5 concerts I've ever been to (other 3 being Band of Gypsys, EWF Gratitude at MSG, and Milton Nascimento at Carnegie Hall back in the late 70's).

One other thing...Don DeLillo. If you haven't read Underworld....hoo boy. Just get it. Anyone who is into Dan will love this book. I read Great Jones street and definitely see the connection. Cosmopolis is his take on turn of the millenium capitalism run amok. That certainly applies to this thread!

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 11:51:39 ET
Posted by: DACW, I should try proofreading once

PeterQ: I agree with your notions regarding Steely Dan 2 and enjoyed your thoughts on Oleander's site, but I would contend that changes in songwriting from "puerile brooding" to more of a linear storytelling mode began in earnest with Gaucho. Gaucho reads like a Broadway series of vignettes purging LA out of their system. Then the more personal nature of Nightfly, 11ToW, and Kamakiriad in a sense "cleared the deck," although Fagen retained the imperfect narrative storytelling perspective in his bookend solo albums: first as a grown man looking back on his childhood with irony and a touch of sentiment and then as someone in midlife looking anxiously to the future through a surreal Grade C Sci-Fi movie, dreamlike prism...

Indeed, dreams and the subconscious and madness are other important themes woven into the Steely Dan psyche up until Steely Dan 2: TvN = Midlife Party like its 1999 and EMG = Upbeat (An)Nihilism

Ironically, as the lyrics have become more linear, the use of interactive multiple voices between the musical instruments as in a conversation increased...hey, that's another theme...


...more later...

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 11:46:54 ET
Posted by: DACW,

PeterQ I agree with your notions regarding Steely Dan 2 and enjoyed your thoughts on Oleanders' site, but I would contend that changes in songwriting from "puerile brooding" to more of a linear storytelling mode began in earnest with Gaucho. Gaucho reads like a Broadway series of vignettes purgin LA out of their system. Then the more personal nature of Nightfly, 11ToW, and Kamakiriad in a sense "cleared the deck," although Fagen retained the imperfect narrative storytelling perspective in his bookend solo albums first as a grown man looking back on his childhood with irony and a touch of sentiment and as someone in midlife looking anxiously to the future through a surreal Grade C Sci-Fi movie, dreamlike prism...

Indeed, dreams and the subconscious and madness are other important woven into the Steely Dan psyche up until Steely Dan 2: TvN = Midlife Party like its 1999 and EMG = Upbeat (An)Nihilism

Irinically, as the lyrics have become more linear, the use of interactive multiple voices between the musical instruments as in a conversation increased...hey, that's another theme...


...more later...

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 11:11:32 ET
Posted by: Iain Monk, Edinburgh, Scotland

I'm trying to buy a Steely Dan tour shirt from the EMG tour - the official fan site are not selling them.

I would be grateful if some kind Dan fan can help me get one. I'm happy to mail money in advamce and to cover all mailing costs.

Please get in touch via my email: hoops1888@blueyonder.co.uk

Thanks,

Iain
Edinburgh, Scotland.

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 09:07:17 ET
Posted by: jcole,

and to reach me about those roseland VIP tix - jcole5545@aol.com

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 09:05:45 ET
Posted by: I,

I have had the pleasure of enjoying 2 steely dan shows during the 1st leg. however, I have 2 VIP seats for friday night's show at roseland IN NYC that i cannot use ( they are $125 a seat plus - yes, the ticketmaster surcharge- but they are NOT general admission.)

If you are interested then please e-mail me , ASAP

thanks

jc

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 07:48:25 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

I think it is important to understand that all the albums before 2VN contain a very different perspective than 2VN and EMG. The albums from the 70s are all told from the POV of an introspective loner, "the kid who sits in the back of the class with no friends," as I believe Granatino described it on one of his websites. No more - it isn't possible to do 4 or 5 worldwide tours within 10 years and be all over the web in the current way and be a loner. In effect B/F have embraced group participation, mass ritual, and a desire to be a part of a larger social scene in general than they did in the past. You may even say they have repudiated some of their own early lyrics (Caves of A. being the best example - they are now as much a part of the "busy world" as it is possible for anyone to be!); or, at the very least, that the songs are now cast in a different light than they formerly were.

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 01:50:04 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv, editing...

just take out "real" and "feel" to make a sentence out of that first bit...

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 01:49:56 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv, editing...

just take out "real" and "feel" to make a sentence out of that first bit...

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Date: Sat, September 06, 2003, 01:45:55 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv, still thinking...

...the few real moments of true emotion in the narrative on EMG are immediately followed by material thoughts, as if that is what real now feel qualifies as true emotion. For instance:

"...somebody to trust,

The Audi TT..."

and

"Rave on my sweet and soulful cyberqueen
Penned by a hack in the Palisades
Backed by some guys from Columbia
Shot all in digital video
For a million and change"

and...

"We gave it our best shot
but keep in mind we got a lot
the sky the moon good food and the weather
first run movies..."

Yes, EMG seems like the picture of a world where materialism is out of control. The ubër-capitalists are eating their young. After all, when you've cheated the last customer, then your last employee, then your last stock-holder, and then yourself, what is left? When the going gets tough, some of the tough go shopping as in "The Last Mall". Some blame God and want to wipe him out, while some actually think it as a preemptive strike for sins already committed. And the poor sap on Greenbook has just given up. Materialism is just as good as real emotion to him, at least as far as he can remember. "Emotion" is as close or as far as his credit card number.

Things may be dire, but real emotion exists, if you can find it...

"Drop me off in Groovetime
Soothe me with the Slang of Ages
This is where i turn"

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 23:35:20 ET
Posted by: KRAM, VT

like it or not, they are a couple of distinguished elderly gentleman in a young mans profession, who make well into six figures on ASCAP alone regardless of how brilliant you are it changes you - even James Taylor who i personally love, has the luxury of mellowing his music to his current following and brilliantly pulls off platinum after platimum because he acclimates to his potential following- he does not try to fight it
-.and WAY of the beaten track...as an old sales manager used to say when i was telemarketing, peddiling "revive plus" a "magical male enhancer elixer" in a backroom in north hollywood - he would grab the fone from me when i was floundering and say "look kid, this is how you do it..."
Q: Mr Johnson, what is the major differemce btw a distingished eldely gentleman and an old man?"
A: MONEY!! Now get your check in here, and we'll hook you up with a
3 month supply and then say "your VISA number is 4 -- -- -- -- --"
needless 2 say....he got the sale ...everytime ...and some poor
sucker lost his money = capitalism

and this site may have more than one "musician" view - and there may be musicians "in disguise" here, but this is a wicked (forgive the VT word) musician crazed band - and you need the chops perspective as well as the poet - God bless the meal man - doan day es tah
KRAM

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 21:46:26 ET
Posted by: DACW, Tejas

I think this is close for the outtro to Blues Beach

"Talkin’ bout the blues
Blues Beach
'bout the blues, blues
Blues Beach
another dimension
Blues Beach

Chillin'

No slack in the tension
Blues Beach

Chillin' at the Manatee bar

Everyone's tall and tanned

Scrapin' in the park
Gropin' in the dark

Blues Beach

Chillin'

Yes I want to be on the sand
Blues Beach

Chillin' at the Manatee bar

Way sweeter and merrier

Waiting for the Bus
Baby not for us

Blues Beach

Chillin'

The rain
Oh, Blues Beach

Chillin’ at the Manatee Bar

The corn grows tall

Not a lot of days
Chillin’ in the rays

Blues Beach

Chillin’

Havin’ ourselves a ball
Blues Beach

Chillin’ at the Manatee Bar…"


Interesting discussion re: capitalism and Steely Dan...

The Letterman crack was some dark humor, which may or may not reflect the so-called promotion of EMG. I have yet to see a sticker in a store that states "...from the Grammy winning duo..." or something to that effect...

After signing a bad deal with an agent early on an receiving minimal recompence for years from the Record Company Formerly Known as ABC-Dunhill, D&W after a year of legal haranging signed a lucrative deal with AOL Time Warner Bros - their captialistic acumen was on the rise - just ask Tariq & Gunz!


To me EMG represents a subonsciously response to 9-11 and the post-bubble world where a sense of doom and urge for renewal merge...and additioinal realization of the shortness of this life and a re-evaulation of how we live our lives...

Capitalism can represent an impetus for self-determination and achievement self-motivated or team goals. It as well as liberty require a sense of responsibility and citizenship to work best. As with any system, it is only as good as the individuals - the market though can create self-cleansing in a sense that when the bubble burst, scam corps such as Enron and Global Crossing became exposed.

I think the lottery/TV-induced short attention span/American Idol/Britney disposable nature of a good bit of today's market has a numbing effect on direction and citizenry...But on the other hand, people have shown hieghtened responsibility after 9-11in time of crisis such as during the recent blackout...humans are a tenacious species and sometimes react best with our backs to the wall...

But what do I really know about capitalism working for the state, driving 4 cylinder cars, living in just over half a modest house? ;-) ...maybe it's that worling for the state part!

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 21:16:47 ET
Posted by: oleander, belowdecks

Pivotal Pete, Yes...--Altogether too cool.

Since Chief of Theory mentioned it: Ahem.... New to fever dreams: "Mortal Inquiries." You have read bits of Peter Q's most stimulating expostulations about the Dan here on the BB; now you can read them at your leisure all in one place at www.feverdreams.net. Just click on the stiletto.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 21:06:07 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Interesting. Many seem to miss the consistency in Becker & Fagen's lyrics from, say, Show Biz Kids' disgust at crass materialism on down through EMG. In the few songs in the Mach 1 period where they get into socio-political matters it's always the same old blase', Eugene McCarthy 1968, way left of center type of liberalism. It hasn't changed in 30 years. I think we should understand that B/F's minds about their worldview, as well as their opinions about music, were established years and years ago. Sometimes they apply their beliefs to contemporary themes and events but their beliefs have been fundamentally unchanged for decades.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 20:30:00 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

"...for me it's a therapeutic way of dealing with that despair, making it funny and not so depressing."

Pivotal Pete, to purloin a turn of phrase, you are much loved by the Rajah. Blessings on your mustache.


RAG-INI-SSIMMO!!!

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 20:18:16 ET
Posted by: Pivotal Pete, California

Re: Capitalism, Apocalyse, Letterman

Interesting speculation about D+W's pessimism and anti-capitalist viewpoints. I tend to suspect the "answer" to the questions "What do they think? and "What do they mean?" are about as ambiguous (or multi-layered) for our heroes as they probably are for most of us.

For example (analyzing this logically) while there's a strong "This freakin' world is coming to an end" theme in EMG, I'm sure these two very-well-read creative people are aware that apocalytic literature is a genre that's been around for decades or centuries. At any point in history, people have been able to look around and conclude: "Time's up." So far, 100% have been incorrect. (King of the World is, what, 25+ years old? and them marigolds is still there ...)

EMG is an artistic creation. It clearly picks up on some of the angst we who despair of Enron, Rumsfeld, recession, terrorism etc. feel -- but I kinda doubt it's predicting The End. On the contrary, for me it's a therapeutic way of dealing with that despair, making it funny and not so depressing. Kind of an album-length version of New Frontier -- having a party in the bomb shelter. Or whatever in the elevator (at the risk of starting that one again ... Whoopee!!)

The capitalism thing is ambiguous, too. I've done okay so far in my career and make my living consulting to "corporate America," but I have lots of dissatisfaction with executive pay, corporate tax loopholes, environmental plunder, moving jobs off-shore, etc. I can feel bad, I can vote, I can protest, but frankly I'm not prepared to sell the house and live in a van out of guilt. Likewise, I HOPE Walter is not going to leave Hawaii (assuming he loves living there) simply because only a teensy fraction of people could afford to live there without a "regular job" --and probably not in as nice a house as I s'pose he has. But I'm sure they have mixed emotions about their own success at times, too.

Meanwhile, they run their website and send out the Steely Dan e-mail newsletter for ... um, seems like it's promoting their work.

In fact, the push-and-pull between ideals and reality, good behavior and temptation, creepy people and poor lost souls (which one IS Charlie Freak?) is the most consistent aspect of SD lyrics. As in Shakespeare, every hero is flawed and every craven fool is human. I've felt that, while they probably weren't happy to admit it, the message of "Only a Fool Would Say That" is one of the most accurate they've written.

A theory about Letterman etc.: In their early performing days they did a bunch of those one-or-two-songs-on-TV shows and probably today they just don't like the hassle and/or the articial environment of a one-song shot on a TV show. Asked why, they give a more elaborate answer to bamboozle the awed and unsuspecting interviewer. "We don't do it because it's just a big capitalist money-grab." Okay ...

Sorry to ramble!

-Pete

P.S. Hoops, what can we do to make you feel better? It's a drag you have to get upset and I agree people ought to quit attacking MR. There are times, though, when all of us read something and feel that post or person were unnecessary or unintelligible or whatever. It's kind of a fine line. In any event, your making this place available is a great and wonderful thing and you deserve pure and unambiguous happiness, free from the guilt the riches of life may cause!

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 20:01:41 ET
Posted by: thefez98, Boston

Gretchen,

Hands-down one of the best (and accurate) rants I've seen in a long time!!! A nice observation on the current state of affairs here in the U.S..

Very timely for me too as I just moved into a (relatively) modest 3,000 sq. ft. colonial on a cul-de-sac in the burbs last weekend. The difference is that other than the new house, we don't owe anyone a cent - no debt. I'd like to think you would agree with our form of capitalism - work hard (but leave time for family), buy what you can afford (and avoid the snowball known as DEBT) and treat everyone the same - whether it's the CFO or the janitor (Building Services Manager or BSM).

THEFEZ98

P.S. Would love to get to Roseland but after hitting Great Woods and Mohegan (4th row + backstage) and the move and all we're not going to be able to make it. We'll miss reuniting with the folks we met R&R HOF weekend at Le Bar Bat.
h

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 19:53:00 ET
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Gassed and runnin'...

DFD...

"Merciful Ray(s)...OH!"

"The corn grows tall.."

"Havin' ourselves a ball..."

At least that what I hear...SOH

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 19:33:54 ET
Posted by: Kid Clean, looking for horseshoe crabs...

DFD - "no slack in the tension"

"way sweeter and merrier"


KC

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 19:26:13 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Rajah, actually D & F busted their ass doing dozens of radio intervie ws in small markets to promote EMG, which is generally not a good sign in promo. You think J. Lo or Britney Spears is doing local radio in Minneapolis or Birmingham? Come on. There is I believe something of a snobbish element in the offing; whether it's justitied or not is another question. To someone with integrity that is off the Richter scale, like Wayne Krantz, Becker and Fagen must seem like huge commercial sellouts. It's a question of your perspective.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 18:56:28 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Lady Bayside - I'd like to check out Charlap, though I don't really like the tunes he chooses he has great technique and even soul for somebody who likes so many Broadway show tunes. However I'm more interested in seeing Walt Weiskopf and his nonent at the Blue Note in late Oct, especially if he has Clarence Penn on drums.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 18:53:53 ET
Posted by: dbeefy, east of hollywood

Oh Roseland, once again you lucky people... I'm sure it will all be a real wingding. (tries not to turn green)

Gretchen, I'm full of Newcastle Brown Ale at the moment so all I can say is that I agree.

Hoops, for my two pence worth I think Meal is a bit of an asset to the book, long may they continue.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 18:49:57 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

"grace, peter, and mary"

Good..thank you....got it, makes sense...

any more??? l'il help...

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 18:48:43 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Who was the dude with the chess boards @ Jones Beach and Hershey Park? I'm sure you had to be from NYC so I hope you'll be at the Novotel. Also, to the guy who gave us the Doobie Brothers poncho @ PNC, whatever happened to you bro?

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 18:37:42 ET
Posted by: blues beach lyrics,

grace, peter, and mary

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:59:37 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Now that I've said all that, ROSELAND'S IN A WEEK!! Can't wait to meet all of you. 5 at the Novotel. Look for the blonde in stillettos.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:56:46 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

Now I REALLY wish the Roseland gig was in my future .

Joeskee !

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:55:21 ET
Posted by: Gretchen,

Ok, true capitalism is when all means of production and distribution are owned privately, and operate for a profit, focusing on the accumulation of wealth. That's how we built our country, as opposed to fascism. In this sense, capitalism is a good thing, allowing everyone a certain degree of freedom of choice. If this were not a capitalistic society, D and W would not be in the elite position they are in now nor would we be able to write to one another via email, listen to our choice in music on expensive stereos, go to concerts, etc etc. I have to be inclined to think that there's more to D/W's banishment of capitalism than opposition to it's principals, after all, that's how they got where they are. To my way of thinking, capitalism goes sour when it's misused. In our society, it's being grossly misused. When the end to the means is money, that's all well and good, we all love it, need it, and want more of it. However, when you use money to accumulate more and more material goods TO DETERMINE YOUR OWN SELF WORTH AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR JUDGE THE WORTH OF OTHERS AS HUMAN BEINGS the whole idea has gone astray. Why do people buy 5,000 square foot homes and do without furniture because they can't afford it? Why do people get themselves in debt up to their shoulders to drive luxury cars and belong to country clubs, when they really can't afford it? Why are people forcing their kids to play soccer if the kids don't really want to? Then the supersize SUV's, the golden retrievers, and all the rest to put on a good front and look like they are rich because they think that gives them class and integrity? This is when capitalism is handled incorrectly, and it's not capitalism itself, but the mentality and the mindset of the majority who abuse it. We need capitalism to survive, but we don't need to use it to attach "value" to ourselves or others. Perhaps our guys don't want to appear on Letterman or Mtv because they don't like the way capitalism is being exploited in our society. They know they're rich, they don't need to go on TV to proclaim that fact. And how well received would they be in today's market, not counting the cult following like us? Today's pop culture is so muddled up with "junque" that it's disgusting. Britney Spears, JLo, Everybody Loves Raymond, Reality Shows, and Arnold for Governor are just some of the inane examples of twisted capitalism. If Don and Walt don't want to join that circus, I really don't blame them. I, for one, don't love Raymond.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:50:52 ET
Posted by: Roseland Festivities,

The Roseland show starts at 8:00 and the doors open at 6:45. The Novotel Hotel is across the street from Roseland (52nd & Broadway). We were originally going to have people meet at the Novotel around 5:00. However, some people are going to want to start lining up early before the doors open at Roseland so they can get up front. I have no idea when/if a line will start forming, so those people may want to meet earlier at the Novotel, so maybe we'll say people should show up around 4:00 or 5:00.

We will be hanging out on the terrace in the Novotel lobby. You take the elevator to the lobby, grab a drink at the bar (I doubt they will have waiter service on the terrace) and walk through the glass door onto the terrace. From there, you can see Roseland and keep an eye on the line.

The parties at Le Bar Bat will begin immediately following the shows. Walk to 8th Ave, then 5 blocks north to 57th St. Le Bar Bat is on 57th St. just west of 8th Ave. Make sure you mention "Steely Dan" for reduced admission ($10). Le Bar Bat serves food until 2:00am. You MUST be 21+ to enter.

http://www.lebarbat.com

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:44:49 ET
Posted by: Shaun, Boston

Peter Q- After your last post I called the Novo hotel and asked about the bar situation. Well, their is only one bar and one resturant. It's the lobby bar which you must take an elevator to get to. So now that we got that cleared up...BRING ON ROSELAND!

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:40:21 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" I don't see it. DF is NYC boy to the bone. Oh yeah, there's that solo album he's doing with Carol Bayer-Sager, riiiight. So here's the question, whither next Donald Fagen? "

Rajah , the answer to everything lies right here :

http://www.roselandballroom.com/specialevents.html

Oh , and you are much loved by the Joey !

Spanky !

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:22:30 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

My Joey - I'm really not trying to bust scrotum here. I think Don & Walt must be having a real crisis of conscience going on right now. If nothing else, I believe that these guys, both in their music and from the things they have said and the way in which they have said it over the years, are truthful people. OK not forthcoming, but thruthful, so I believe it when I hear them say things about being fed up with things the way they are. They certainly have comported themselves in accord with these statements by bascially refusing to do the usual promo treks for EMG. God, they must hate them at the record company. So where does this all lead? Walter is already kinda detached from this crazy grid of desire by living on Kawaii, but, Donald, ahh, there's the rub. Where do you go in pre-apocalyptical George Bush's America to do your thing when you are Donald Fagen? Do you pack your Eames chair into your Kamakiri(the TT's too small) and drive west on Sunset to the sea? You change you name and learn to work the saxophone? Head for that tower room at Eden Rock perhaps? Move to the Left Bank and hold court at the Cafe D'Escargot? I don't see it. DF is NYC boy to the bone. Oh yeah, there's that solo album he's doing with Carol Bayer-Sager, riiiight. So here's the question, whither next Donald Fagen?

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:16:07 ET
Posted by: DanFanDan, Home at Last

And now for a break in the action...

Sorry to interrupt with a 'post lite'...but along the lines of misinterpreted lyrics / mondegreens...has anyone attempted to decipher Donalds outro lyrical vamp on Blues Beach?

Here's what I was able to gather...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Talkin bout the Blues - BB
‘Bout the Blues - BB

Whole other dimension??? - BB (‘Chillin!” (girls))
Oh slack and detention ???

Everyone’s tall and tan
Yes I wanna be on the sand

Way sweeter in Maryville???

XXX XXX Wave – Oh! ???

The conga’s tall ???

Have ourselves a ball

Get a big tropical cooler
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anyhow, anyone got any input for the question mark entries above??? Thanks for playing!

DFD

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 17:05:50 ET
Posted by: DEACON BLUE,

i really don't understand the attitude of some people saying that those who don't like capitalism,have to stop drive their cars,stop using their microwaves and listening to music in their audio.
Those same people don't understand the whole concept of SD music and lyrics.
Because when W&D are critisizing the world society they just put their finger at the right place of the wound
Maybe it"s right that capitalism is everything what represents America
but let me say that not everything that America represents in the world is right and a lot of fundamentalists principles of your country just aint right and are criminal.
So if W&D critisize the bad and wrong consequences of American capitalism,i think they have the right to do it.
America is a free country,isn't it?
Free to have millions of poor people in the street just eating shit,free to have the most and poor streetchildren of the whole modern industral world,and last but not least free to have some criminal and lunatic people at the power in Washington DC.
Honestly i think there's no great difference between the Saddams,Osamas and George W's in this world.There just all bloody fucking Godwackers.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 16:52:17 ET
Posted by: Joey ,

" And yet it's the very capitalism, along with its attendant media circus, that they now repudiate which has created a society within which they have been able to disseminate their work and buy those Audi TTs ............................................."

I believe I have just ruptured my Ball Sac .

Thanks Rajah ........Happy Now ?!?!?!?!

Jercee !

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 16:50:50 ET
Posted by: afoolnluv,

RCRAY - Capitalism may = *your* America, but I'd like to think we will eventually rise above being one big commercial as a society. Blind, soulless capitalism is the reason this country is going down the tubes, and I think that's what EMG as an album is about. To me, America = personal freedom and equality for everyone (as per the Constitution and the Bill of Rights), and that's *not* capitalism. In fact, the ubër-capitalists don't want equality for everyone, they want to own everyone and everything destroy those they can't.

Capitalism isn't a bad idea, but people exploit it to the point of destroying the very ideals this country was based on. And like rap music, just because capitalism is prevalent, that doesn't make it entirely right or desirable.

Now give Joey a hug.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 16:35:44 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Also, where is the fest before Fri's Roseland show, the Novotel? There are several bars in the place, which one is it in?

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 15:57:34 ET
Posted by: RCRAY, NYC

Right. Rajah of Erase you and I are on the same page.

The idea of being upset with Capitalism and not doing a talk show is laughable.

They might be artist first and foremost but let's face it Capitalism=America.

If you are so good that you make alot of money so be it. Use the media to get your product out to the people that might not get a chance to hear it otherwise.

Case in point: I became a Dan Fan because my best friend had an amazing sound system and his father was an audiophile..he would show off his system with The Nightfly by our man D. Fagen. Capitalism made all of that possible from the state of the art electronics to the very technology that was used to record the now infamous album. That being said, I am all for being an artist but don't bite the country and principles that feed.

We are all in this together, if you hate capitalism > Stop driving your car, using your microwave, living in your house with a 30 year mortgage, drinking your diet coke, budweiser, and eating at your fine restaurants. Unfortunately, money makes the world go round, it's convenient, green and it goes with everything you wear.

People act like it's a new concept.

Hollywood and their opinions about politics are getting old.

Steely Dan are musicions and nothing else.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 15:35:10 ET
Posted by: Peter Q, Brooklyn

Am I interested to know if anyone here is familiar with the novel Great Jones Street by Don DeLillo and, if so, do you think the character of Bucky Wunderlick was semi-inspired by Becker and Fagen's low profile in the 70's? Sometimes when I read this novel I feel very eerie about how DeLillo predicted how the "devouring neon" would get to people like Cobain; and I am interested to know if anyone else has thoughts along these lines. I know B&F are very influenced by Antonioni's films and so is DeLillo, and I am interested in exploring these connections also. Please post or email if you have aimilar interests.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 14:14:21 ET
Posted by: angel,

Big Fan: Thanks for the Weiskopf link.

My favorite part of the article. Gave me goose bumps. :-)

"I can remember what it felt like when I played my first concert on clarinet in the fourth grade," said Weiskopf last weekend from his room at the Borgata Hotel, Casino and Spa in Atlantic City, where he was appearing with Steely Dan. "I just felt this swelling in my chest, I was so excited. That stayed with me, and I haven't gotten that feeling anywhere else. I still get it, I got it with these guys (Becker and Fagen). It keeps you going."

So Hoops Not, does that mean you think the front page web design was done by Mr. Becker? Speaking of design, I love the layout of EMG, with the "Time" theme. According to the credits, Walter did that.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 13:57:29 ET
Posted by: kram, vt

live it folks.. is dandom a democracy?
"The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community."
i've only been posting and peeping for a few wks but "hoops" has a huge amount of clout- so hes got my vote
heck with the email, heres my website- naked and all
www.markahuntley.com
now...back to dan..are they awesome or what

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 13:54:36 ET
Posted by: Rajah of Erase, L.A.

Hoops - The boys have made quite a few references now like not wanting to do Letterman or Today because they feel the media has become an organ of the state, being fed-up with capitalism, etc. Seems like, bearing that philosophy in mind, they must be having a pretty tough time cooexisting in the world of pop music, although they really aren't pop anymore, maybe never were, it's debatable. It's isn't, however, debatable that songs like Dirty Work, Do It Again, Rikki, Reelin', Peg, Josie, FM and 19 were pop hits. And yet it's the very capitalism, along with its attendant media circus, that they now repudiate which has created a society within which they have been able to disseminate their work and buy those Audi TTs or whadevah. Maybe they're caught up in the middle and maybe everything MUST go for them to be able to continue. As in Steely Dan must go. If their statements are heartfelt, they really don't have any other choice. I will now retire to my meditation rug and ruminate over these deep thoughts.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 13:32:17 ET
Posted by: Davis, Boston

You know Hoops you are right on the money, after all it is your venue, what you say goes.. I scrolled back and didnt think Shaun's post was out of line though, and I definately feel his and others frustration with MR posts, just annoying really. In anyevent, it's your house..

Now back to the topic at hand.

How did they get the name "Steely Dan" lol

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 13:27:30 ET
Posted by: Yes, Hoops

You did the right thing. No worry. Sometimes you just gotta clean house or it starts to stink.
Home Economics 101.

Now about Steely Dan...
Just trying to keep up to speed here.
Now that "Time-Beings" combo on the ODP picture page, that's Heidegger.
Donald's "the media is a mere organ of the State", that's marxist theory.
Add that to Godwhacker and what do you have? You get references to most major figures in modern german philosophy.

So reading EMG here and there, keeping in mind some of the Freud-inspired talk in the Plush video and you get a certain philosophical profile made up of Budhism (meditation, Rajah), psychoanalysis and German philosophy.
Bottom line: they were students in the 60s and carried on.

Well, that is content, a rare thing nowadays.

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 12:56:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, hoops@dandom.com

You know, I'm really fed up right now.

While I keep a low-key prescense here on purpose, I also watch a lot from the side-lines. I'm really fed up with all this disussion of who's funny and who's not, and who should get to post and who shouldn't whether you like Meal Revier's posts, etc.

I could give a shit and don't fork over figures of my income annually to run this so some of you can be arrogant assholes talking about yourselves rather than SD. While I fork over my money, many of you can't even privately fork over your email identity to me.

Again, so long as it's very vaguely tangentially Steely Dan or SD-inspired humor, that's cool. To me, this thread isn't about Meal Reviewer, like I said, I'm not sure I find him or her funny and I don't speak Spanish but I kinda get the gist of it. What pisses me off is how people perpetuate this crap in my living room as it were and telling my guests what to do in my living room at my party. After you are done with MR who's next on your list? Like a post yesterday said, as long as someone isn't being verbally abusive, take what you like and leave the rest.

So if you think I'm an asshole, go right ahead. But if your sorry don't post an apolgy or talk about who should post...just simply post about Steely Dan.

I'm done for the moment., wish it could have been funnier.

hoops

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 12:16:00 ET
Posted by: hoops, hoops@dandom.com

Paging Shaun (not Sean) from the Boston area and author of the post from earlier today. Email me please

Jim
hoops@dandom.com

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Date: Fri, September 05, 2003, 12:01:40 ET
Posted by: Lady Bayside, NY

Hiya..

Just a quick drive by whilst trying to clear my desk a bit at work. I know Bill Charlap is playing Jazz Standard (picked up a flyer when I was there this past weekend) from the 2nd to the 7th of this month...I may try to go tomorrow night.

Anyone else been or thinking about going?

e-me with comments. Not sure when I will be back this way again.

Looking forward to seeing lots of you at Roseland! I'll be at the after party Friday and at the show and after Saturday night.

LadyB

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Topic 2; setlists,
I'm tired of people complaining that "they don't play this", or, "that they play that too much". I will admit that your 'dream setlists' are entertaining to read, but people, this band puts alot into every song they play for us, just appreciate that. You may complain before or after a show, but I bet when your inside you clap and cheer for every song, don't you?!!
Bring on Oakdale, bring on Roseland, I'm ready for some more!